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Coaches Corner & Beauty and the East
"Live sports are back just like the rest of us. We're all getting back on the road stopping at a friend's place to watch the game or stopping to grab a bite at our favorite spot in between those stops, there's always shell to help you make the most of the stop you need to make. Coming, up on NFL live is Matthew Stafford's false positive Cova nineteen test a sign of more difficulties to come for the League and its testing protocols plus the NFC east should be wide open. A thing of beauty. Our panel debates were the strengths lie for each team and WHO's GonNa win the division and a Bevy of head coaches held media sessions. Today you'll hear from some of them throughout the show including Sean Payton, and all his new ideas as training camps continue to ramp up. READY WOODLAND NFL la the best football show on TV my favorite panel to. Louis Riddick Jeff Saturday and Jeff Darlington I'm Diane Rossini with you for the next hour. So the NFL is allowing the release of the results of any of these Kobe nineteen test guys or even comment on them but the League is trying to quarantine players who tested positive or those that have been around those with it, which is this newly created. Cova. Nine thousand nine hundred lists that we've been seeing hearing about well, lions quarterback matthew staffer has been removed from the covid nineteen reserve list after what the team called a false positive test. The Lion said Stafford never had cova nineteen and instead had a false positive test after two negative tests, last Tuesday and Wednesday well Detroit, they release a very lengthy statement. About the situation are saying today, we removed Matthew Staffer from the Kova listed onto the active roster as a result of a false positive test results. He was forced due to the NFL in the NFL Lake L., P. Protocols to sit out until he received two negative tests his testing sequence for the pre entry period was negative negative balls positive. The next three tests were all negative to be clear. Matthew does not have covid nineteen and never has had cove nineteen and the test in question was a false positive. Also, all of Matthew's family have been tested in everyone is negative. All right. So that was the Detroit statement. Then shortly after Matthew Stafford's wife Kelly went on Instagram, and here's what she had to say and it was a lot. She said the past four days have been somewhat of a nightmare for twenty four hours. We believed my husband was positive for covert. We were all tested the day after and we were all negative including, Matthew? Tested. Negative. Again, then again again and again, even after we knew it was false positive. Our school told us they were not allowed back. I was approached in a grocery store and told I was endangering others. She said, my kids were harassed. And they were kicked off a playground. I was told I needed to we in my car when trying to pick up food and people closest to us how to get tested just so they could go back to work. I don't blame the scenarios on any of the people directly involved in this situation I understand where they are coming from, but I do blame. The NFL in the NFL for not holding themselves accountable. He's our people's lives and livelihoods that are in those results in their tests sites. Maybe we should be absolutely positive person has coverted before releasing the Info to the world. She tagged the League six times in the Post. So I think it's pretty safe to say he's not happy at all with how this was handled, and here's the thing guys Detroit never announced Stafford's tested positive nor did the league, but it did get leaked out to the media. So that's how it got out there. So the League is really in a tough spot here. So Jeff I want to start with you here. Do you think? There needs to be adjustments made to how we're handling this because we've never had to deal with anything like this before. We'll look the NFL is in a tough situation here when it comes to testing and I would argue that society in general is dealing with some of those same issues. Now, I can't really speak to what the Stafford's are going through as a family when it comes to that, but it's really not that different. Than what a lot of people are going through look if you have a false positive, then generally speaking there is an expectation in society to quarantined until proven. Otherwise, it's a very difficult situation that we're all in the idea that anybody would harass her family seems absolutely outrageous but that's a whole different conversation but speaking specifically to the NFL's protocols. Look. These are unchartered territories. It feels to me like the protocols that are in place are generally pretty sound the idea of privacy though is something that they should continue to evaluate and assess, and if they can take some of what? The staffers went through and apply it to future situations to make it better. Great I just don't I think it's a little bit dangerous to cast too much. Blame for a situation where everybody is sort of trying to figure this out on the fly to be quite honest. Yes certainly and Liu. So you have all the jams in the League right now looking at this situation, everyone is trying to figure out what the best way to go about this is but how do you protect your players from going through this? I don't know if you necessarily can one hundred percent to be honest with you look I mean we all see that people were able to get a hold of the league's official transaction Rosser and see who is being released, who being waived, who is who is being claimed what teams are putting in claims we players are on the different reserve lists, and that is because the League is distributed. It's because there's someone or some ones who were all who a leaking needs to the public. Then it becomes public information, and in this instance, obviously you can see it can have some very negative consequences in terms of how it can affect a player's family when we're dealing with something as explosive as important. As covid nineteen and that is an issue. Now as far as the false positives are concerned, you're right. I. Mean that is something that is plaguing society overall and it's something that the individual companies that are in charge of conducting these tests is going to continue to have to work out, and then he gets into one hole bigger problem about whether or not the testing is reliable whether or not we have enough testing and. A whole bigger issue but as far as protecting players privacy, protecting all of us all of our. Privacy that's very important. That's very, very important and you just hate to see it in this of situation because you could feel for Matthews family his wife and his children, and you can understand how people will start freaking out over the fact. Hey, if your husband tested positive and you should be quarantining and you shouldn't be in the store and your kids shouldn't be. On the playground, you can see how it could have trickled Ou- snowball type effect, and this really comes back to protecting the players privacy. So the League in the teams themselves are going to have to really clamp down on it makes sure that these official transaction registers are not getting out there. So people are discussing this free like they are at this point in time. Yeah I agree I agree completely Lou with you and and Jeb both honestly this is just one of those unfortunate circumstances. There's not a whole lot. You can do about it I mean, if we're GONNA have a subset of Part of the roster were guys who have either been in contact with somebody or have tested positive for covert, and they're going to be able to pull roster spots up and down and do those things. It's going to be next to impossible to keep everybody you know all the. Hidden I I just don't see a way that you can do it I. Think I think from what each each of you have said. This is not easy and this is not just a football issue. This is a a an issue that our society as a whole is dealing with and when you're talking about testing as many times as you are every day testing. And something comes up as a false positive. It's just one of those things that you were going to have to learn to do. That is another way we can do it. Is there a way we can go you know can we get another rapid test right after that the positive, all of those things but that's it's all going to be worked out in time and again, we're everybody's very new to this Jeff said it best. We're all doing this on the fly nobody nobody expected this everybody is going to have to adapt and be and be adaptable as they processed through as what happened to the Stafford family you hate it. You know you don't appreciate anybody treating someone that way. But as far as trying to keep it out of the public when you have the roster and your opening roster spots because someone does I just don't see it. I mean I. Think it's a very difficult thing to do I'm sure they're going to be discussing these things in rooms the next two or three weeks trying to work the bugs in. The problem but. There's just no simple answer I wish there was yeah and guys we are in a time right now when thinking outside the box can really give you an edge because so many teams have played out the scenario of what happens if our starting quarterback and the backups also test positive before a game some teams are actually discussing quarantining one of their quarterbacks. The first time I heard it was earlier this season from Bruce Arians on Chris, longs green light podcasts, and he said he my quarantine one of his quarterbacks now other coaches around the league are all starting to think about it Is. We've floated around that idea a little bit. Have not made a decision on that at this point but that's certainly Something that's that that's not out of the realm of possibility. Conversations that are ongoing still with my staff and in offensive guys on on staff press in enrich. Maury. Those guys in happened beside at anything yet on their obviously, but it is something to considers would follow. I heard about it. We all thought maybe it was kind of a joke, but it sounds like could be somewhat of a decent idea Lou. What do you think? Yeah on on the surface it is a decent idea is probably something that you should probably get a lot more consideration to. In fact, that one positive test, even one false positive test, you can wipe out your entire quarterback room as per the. League's protocols and I I just don't understand how you could then play a football game I mean it wouldn't. It would shake the competitive balance foundation to the point where it just would blatantly unfair if you were if your whole quarterback room quarantine because of one positive. So I, think you know to safeguard against that. You have to start thinking outside of the boxes you alluded to these kinds of situations and kind of. Get ahead of the curve and say, Hey, look maybe you start thinking about you know across all all positions maybe you deem certain players were critical as far as you protecting and maybe you have a quarantine even more than just a quarterback maybe are quarantine pass rusher, a wide receiver, a certain corner maybe you just you deem certain players as being those that you just cannot play without and you need to go to A. Exquisite lengths to make sure that they are available to you, and again, this is one of these things that come up in this in this time that we're in right now that you'd never considered before and you're going to have to consider all kinds of things you have to be very creative in order to safeguard it gets you having your roster wiped out and units not be able to compete fairly. Yeah. Certainly, a lot of things are being thrown at the wall he's trying to figure out what's working. Players Right now trying to figure out whether or not they WANNA play the season that deadline four players to opt out of the twenty twenty season. It's tomorrow at four o'clock eastern high risk individuals could opt out they go to receive that three hundred and fifty thousand dollars stipend whereas those less at risk could receive one hundred and fifty thousand dollars stipend players also have the ability and this is important. They can opt out leader in this season but here's the only way it can happen if a family member becomes sick, that's one way and. If a new diagnosis reveals that the player has a high risk conditions. So those are two ways that that can go down now here's some notable players that have already opt at opted out linebackers dont`a HIGHTOWER CJ Moseley Volk won't be playing and the chiefs won't have to players back from last year super bowl winning team over the last twenty four hours to dolphins wide receivers up to that we had Alan hearns Albert Wilson here's Nfl Pa, President Jesse Tritter, and Philip rivers and of opting out. Everyone should at least think about it. Obviously, our goal was to get guys options and then guys make the best decisions for them and their families. So I'm I'm playing this year made my decision. There wasn't any consideration. I. Again on the health. Of My family and safety of them is utmost importance. I think like you like in a flu season or anything else from a standpoint of you just try to be smart other reasons I think at this point making that decision for me would have been making the decision to be done period you know all retiring. Which? Is Nowhere. Oma Mind. Darlington let's start with you and go back to shredder said do we expect a lot more opt-outs between now and that four o'clock deadline on Thursday? It's a great question and I generally am inclined to think that you know that most people who would opt out would have already done. So just from the standpoint that it feels like a somewhat decisive move but. I. Think that the only thing I can say is we keep talking about like societal parallels right but I'd imagine there's a lot of people myself included that are sitting here saying, do you send your kids back to school if your school is open and you try to bring like you continue to milk that decision until the very end and you take every last minute to do so and I don't think football players or any difference and the second that we start to think otherwise we're gonNA get surprise so. We'll see. Again I I just think that there will be some guys that takes us up to the deadline that being said it kills like most guys have either said they're. Choosing to play or that they have already decided to opt out. A few players mentioned that they're still kind of thinking about it but to your point, if they're gonNA, make that move the most likely made it already but heck you know. But but Jeff Saturday here. Let's pretend you're. A player again and let's just say this pandemic has another wave here during the season what's going through your mind now knowing that that's a possibility that's on the table. Yeah I think I think like everybody else I'm going to evaluate as time goes forward. I'm not. You know I'm not signing me thing in blood, and so you if I get four weeks five weeks into the season and I felt like it put my family at a tremendous amount of risk or myself in a tremendous amount of risks you know there's going to. Be Guys who decided it's not worth and I think that's that's ultimately what you know what you. That's the right you have, and I think that's what traders talking about. I think that's what bill says we all just want as much information as we can get to make the decision. But for for some reason, we got halfway into it and things began to change. I think guys would understand what that looks like and I think from the PA and the NFL they've done as many things as they can of the opt-out of a what would happen if a family member gets get sick are leaving I, I can assure you as a guy who had young children when I was playing and going through it at my wife got sick. My kids got sick if my parents than than I would it would definitely be a different decision. Than what I made earlier in the in the year and so I think that's what guys have to go through those that you don't play football in a vacuum, right? Like we're we're no different than anyone else we're all we're all facing the same decisions whether our kids go back to school. Do we quarantine ourselves in a hotel? The whole season I can assure you all these conversations are happening in these players homes. There's nobody who's just GONNA I'm GONNA go play and Then matter everybody's everybody's having a process to get to this decision and you're making it with the information you have today if in four and in four weeks, you have a different set of circumstances a different amount of information. You will make another one and that's just the reality of the situation that we're in. As important as this, you take it all the way to the deadline. If need be, there's no reason to rush. You don't get any points for deciding that you're going to play before the. Clock strikes twelve year in in this kind of situation where it's literally, it literally could be life or death and not just for you. But as Jeff alluded to your wife, your children, you have you have a duty. You've a right to make sure that you have all the information and you actually way all the information very very carefully, and you have these discussions in. Jeff's right. Again, I mean look we're all facing it in some form or fashion even if we're not players in the national football league, particularly, if you have children, I mean I'm having those discussions daily right now as far as you know sending kids back to school and whether it's the hybrid model where it's online model, do you send them back to school? So they can. Be around their friends. This is serious serious stuff here, and just because these guys are football players and their athletes and they're compensated very well to do so does not mean that they're not human in does it mean that they're not just thinking about themselves they need to take their time and they need to take it right up to the very last minute I know. I would do if I. was planning that a family right now you would hear from me I would I would make my decision at eleven fifty, nine, fifty, nine, or four, three, fifty, nine, fifty, nine of it's four o'clock I'm taking every bit of time I can to make sure I make the right call. Yeah it's interesting. You bring up that point because we just heard. From, the bills were cornerback tra- Davis White said, he's still undecided on whether or not. He'll play the season. Remember he was a gigantic part of his defense named first team all pro last season an according to NFL Nexgen. His eighty four targets as the nearest defender were the second most in the NFL without allowing touchdown in twenty nineteen. So he says he'll have a decision soon of course that deadline being at four o'clock on Thursday. While the raiders have been a nomadic franchise starting in Oakland capturing two super bowls in twenty two seasons and they set sail down the California coast and won another title in Los Angeles taken home the Lombardi trophy in the nineteen eighty, three season. Then after thirteen seasons in La, they headed right back up north to Oakland, Suffering Sixteen losing campaigns in twenty five years in only making the playoffs. Just four times Jon Gruden and Mark Davis are now the captains of their latest voyage to the bright lights of Las Vegas but the bright lights of Vegas all damn earlier. This week we found out that the raiders made it official they announced they'll play their inaugural season allegiance stadium without any fans due to the Kobe nineteen pandemic. All right. So that's the situation with the fans in the stadium. How about on the field? Well, the biggest question mark surrounds the future of this guy, their quarterback, Derek, Carr. The raiders are coming off their fifth losing season in six years with car who addressed why he will not opt out this season. Take a listen. I have a lot. To, myself I've lost proved to tomorrow's Ace. I'm I'm being completely I'm tired of being disrespectful. So there was no question pleasure because, but I You know. The whole. Machine? Sometimes, the NFL I'm done with all that. So you can say good stuff like you could say bad stuff I think you can censor in a year or so I just don't care what you say whatever you want I'm trying to go win the Super Bowl Sweden hang on these banners and this in this beautiful indoor that we got, and then I want to go try and do it again. No one's GonNa try and do it again and tell him to they kicked me out of this place. No sleeves and no filter there for Derek Carr. So Lewis. A lot about disrespect. Why is Derek Carr getting disrespected? Mainly because one they haven't won. They haven't really made up any ground long the Kansas City chiefs in particular into you know. quarterback play a lot of it is about one winning about throwing touchdowns and putting points on the board, and despite the fact that Derek had a career year in terms of completion percentage passing yards yards per attempt passer rating. He still wasn't able to put the ball or get the ball in the end zone through the air like he was back in two, thousand, fifteen when he WAS LEGIT MVP candidate were through thirty two touchdowns as opposed. Only twenty one touchdowns in two thousand and nineteen. Now, obviously, the raiders feels though some of that has to do with the fact that maybe he didn't have enough personnel in order to help him achieve that. So what did they do? They went out this best in the draft in particular and they got him some weapons. Henry rugs and they got out of Alabama and Brian ever they got out of South Carolina these two young guys are studs one of super fast obviously and Henry Rugs Brian Edwards is huge which tremendous catch radius who can play in the slot and play outside. You know they have Darren Waller, they have Josh Jacobs they have one of the best offense Alonzo on paper in the NFL. So I think this year if he wants to prove people wrong and make people shut up, he's got a lot of things going in his favor this year and estimate lineup with John Gruden's play calling. It has the lineup with the defense doing their part so they can keep the points down to so much of it is input on Derek Carr. I mean, as you know, there's all there's a lot of it that goes into whether or not people like quarterbacks and worthy or not. But Derek needs to have a career year they've set the table form we'll see what he can do. Yeah. Darlene. Do we know that they signed Marcus Mariota in the off season? So here we are Derek Kinda knowing the pressure on. So is this really good to be a make or break year for Garrick? I mean no question contractually speaking the raiders are in a situation where at the end of the season, they could very much move on with the limited guaranteed money remaining in the deal May. has made that very clear that the general manager very pointedly saying this off season this guy has done a really good job seventy percent of his passes three to one touchdown interception ratio all of these factors, but also recognizing the fact that the contract is such that. If he doesn't perform, the raiders can just go ahead and walk away for basically nothing. So it is one hundred percent maker break year second year in John Gruden's offense and look to lose his point. It's. He's he's got to prove it. I know being that disrespectful I feel like you guys are just like pointing out the stats here in essentially the reality what's happened over the last six seasons so just Saturday, need to put this on you are were you swinging on this or are you respect Derek Carr? Absolutely listen I think your car. To each guys, point has had a career. That has been a little bit diminished because of the quality of the teams he's played on and and Louis made the point of last year being a career year for him. Let me show you the difference and when a team wins and when a team doesn't win and kind of a kind of the conversation to have you be one seventy percent to sixty nine percent he's talking about the touchdowns twenty one, eight, interceptions twenty, seven, thirteen, you see it right one took his team to the Super Bowl and one talking about getting respect. So you're looking at Jimmy Garoppolo. Looking you know. Eric. Far So it just shows you. How important is the conversation a dialogue you're having because when you talk about just the quarterback position, it's really tough to put everything at the feet of their car. Now, Lewis made a great point about all the guys they brought in. Last year he threw sixty three percent of his passes to somebody in the six round or later. So they went out and got him guys right now no excuses. No explanations. We're GONNA get around you and surrounds you but to put everything that. We do this all the time in the NFL is we make it so much about one position. The reality is you have to develop talent, the right coaching staff, the right general manager, the right order it all matters now think. Gruden in here, and now you're two for Gruden in this system, it will all improve and continue to grow and be better for him. But at the end of the day, we're all trying to throw him out. You got better. Make sure you got something better than him coming in reality this scout four thousand yards for what he did in. This is the in Lewis made this point and we talked about this at the colts all the time the the difference in the details though and thirty touchdowns are thirty two touchdowns and twenty one third shorts goal on situations being able to convert drives and it all. Goes, but the reality is it can be a number of different things right? The receivers, not where he's supposed to be all that all the things that end up happening putting guys around him in my opinion GonNa make him better and as far as Marcus Mariota and being there to come be the guy he just got running of town in Tennessee. What what are we talking about here man like? We say on the said, we're going to hand down because. Incredible. Compared. No he has not. So if I'm even. I don't respect got a thick. Again. Sensitive about this, but but he has not wanted to level where you think, oh, this lane, the NFL he's definitely a starter and very capable picking this team into the playoffs Jeff. You get your homework on car today you just drop tons and knowledge. They're loving all that. After we did our homework to this Raider Seaman, they got tough schedule they started off saints, Patriots, bills, and chiefs so. Certainly have a challenge ahead of them as we get ready for the season's. All right. So lots of head coaches around the League talking this afternoon to the media and one of the biggest topics of course has been covid nineteen Bruce Arians. A three time cancer survivor has already said, he personally take extra precautions and was among the coaches who addressed a working in a bubble a short time without. We have a hotel sequestered now and It's we can't force the guys to go. So it's up to them. We have some veterans over there who don't live in town because they know how safe it be and mobs who stay there night before home games like we always have we've got a commitment we talked about having a commitment to each other only takes one to sink the ship I. Think it'll be easier to handle although we're still have sixty nine guys this year. Once once we keep going after the cut, it's going to be a little bit harder, but it's GonNa take a hell of a commitment from everybody. If, there's eighty players and then another call it ninety five people coaching training equipment. Total number of people. In your first or second tier the basically every day those hundred, seventy, go home, and then come back the next day take that and you times it by seven. Then you take that and times you know by four weeks in a month and then do the season. It's really about trying to reduce the possible exposures not eliminate when you're not operating in a in a clean bubble like the NHL or NBA, you just have to understand, hey, there's going to be a certain amount of positive tests I. think we're fooling ourselves. We think that's not the case. Yeah that's certainly true and Jeff? Darlington I know that you know that that pain has this idea of making this sort of many New Orleans Saints Bubble at the Lowes Hotel, which is right near the superdome wrote these guys are just going to stay there just from talking to so many guys around the league. Are you getting an idea that maybe perhaps this is the direction other teams are going to start going in here. So I don't know about the trend specifically about having a quarantine hotel. The Tampa New Orleans bowl suggested certainly seems like other teams would consider it but I I would just point out that. The interesting component here is that the NFL issues, its own protocols when you see a team like Tampa New Orleans taking it above and beyond that that to me gives me any level of confidence the willingness to accept the fact that we are not going to avoid the inevitable. We're not gonNA ignore the inevitable of eventual positive tests we're going to prepare for what we do as a result of that I think all thirty two teams took on that same approach. We'd have a much better chance of getting through this season. The question becomes are all thirty two teams doing exactly that and that's a question. We'll just have to wait to find out. If. You were on the saints here and your head coach was saying, this is what we're going to do. This isn't what the League is saying we have to do, but this is what the New Orleans saints are going to do. Would you would you be buying into this idea and commit to this knowing that you have a wife and kids at home? Absolutely, listen, I. Think they're providing their team with the best opportunities to make a decision that keeps their families and themselves as safe as possible and again, we talked about earlier in the show you're not saying I I'm committed go do this every day for the rest of it. You may be say, Hey, for the for training camp and then but I you weeks on a kind of see how many guys are testing positive. What does this really look like our guys being are they acting the way they should act or are they going places they shouldn't go and is that more risk but but I can assure you Allowing guys the opportunity to use a hotel that's closed on his nearby I think it's genius and I I think I think every team should do it if they can but or they can. They should all do it, and at least guys the the the place to go and go do this and again, you're not just talking about the player. You Know Louis made a point about dealing with with his children going to school. You send them back to school you not how you GonNa do it well, you have a bunch of kids in the House and you decided I'm going to let them be kids and go back to school. Sudden. You're exposing yourself and now you're exposing your teammates or you know does your wife work? Does she someone who's who's in the hospitals and hire all those things again, players are no different than anybody else we all have resume are doing things it will put them at risk. and. So you have to understand what that doesn't how that impacts your football team, and so if you are, you have a team that saying, Hey, we're going to offer you guys you can use it if you want to. We would appreciate it. You do those are great conversations have again no one has the right answer but least you have options and you can make an educated decision for what's best for you and your family. There's no question lift to put yourself in a position to give yourself every chance to succeed and I. Think Every Organization needs to at least provide this kind of opportunity for the players. Look. We know that across the board one, hundred percent of the players aren't going to make that sacrifice look in society people people won't even sacrifice. You know in terms of putting on a mass to go to a grocery store. There's a lot of people just refuse to they want their cake and eat it too. Right. They want to be protected and have all the trappings of life. The United States has offered you. But at the same time, they don't WanNa make the sacrifice to keep their fellow neighbors safe and the same is going to happen with players in sports unless you can put them in one hundred percent safe bubble and make it mandatory stay there. But you have to at least give them the opportunity to make a choice and to make a sacrifice that will not only benefit themselves. But benefit their loved ones better fit their teammates, benefit their coaches and the support step because as Bruce Arians said and just as Mike Tomlin has said. One fail we all fail, and that's probably something that all of us need to remember one of us fail all of us can fail or at least the people who are around us are you willing to make the sacrificer? Aren't you? It's as simple as that. Low. The NBA just announced that they still have no positive cove in one thousand, nine, hundred tests inside that level. So it's very clear doubles working. Welcome back. Let's Talk Dallas there've been plenty of off season storylines for the cowboys drafted Oklahoma wide receiver CD lamb and the first round and then took Bama. Corner. Trayvon. Digs in the second round those aren't the only newcomers in Dallas Mike McCarthy of course was hired as the ninth head coach in team history the team parted ways with Jason Garrett and then how about Dak Prescott Potential contract extension was the story that never really seemed to end but they couldn't reach an agreement and he'll play this season under the franchise tag of over thirty million dollars Dak. didn't get his long-term deal but you know who did Amari Cooper? He signed a five-year extension that included ninety million guaranteed and he talked about the lofty expectations for this Dallas Cowboys Wide Receiving Corps yesterday. I think it was a a great big. You have to drop the best player on the board Everybody understands that and I think he's a great receiver I. Think You know with me and Mike who got up going for thousand yards last season nothing the expectation is to have three thousand yards receiving three thousand yards he was. All right that's certainly a lot of expectation there guys and it sounds like mark. Cooper thinks that Dallas has got one of the strongest wide receiver group. So let's just dive into the NFC. East here who is challenging that group this season let's try to figure out who's good. WHO's bad strengths weaknesses. We'll go through all the to- Saturday we'll let you start with you with the on the cowboys here. So let's go through some of their key additions, ten of their key departures here essentially what they look like, what do you think of them? I think I think Mike? McCarthy is going to be good but I think biggest strength is Ezekiel Elliott. Do We? We use one of the best back in the game that's ultimately the best strength they have. Right? They're all fits needs to go through it. Their weakness is using him an important time. You think about last year when they play in Philadelphia. For the play offs and all the things all the hype we ended up going up the one at forty four times at the thirteen to thirteen Russians. It cannot work that way when you have someone as good as Ezekiel Elliott, you have got find ways to get into ball handed to him. Let him go run that thing offense has to run through that. Are Let's move over to New York. Right so we know that the giants made so moves but probably the biggest departure being Eli manning them at four and twelve. They hired Patriots Assistant Joe Judge who replaced Pat Shurmur. They drafted Andrew Thomas, Xavier mckinney go along with free agent editions. James Bradberry and. We mentioned a whole departing after those sixteen seasons again, another new head coach and a young quarterback here. So Lewis strengths and weaknesses for this New York giants team. For strength obviously starts on offense with those two young building blocks that they have at quarterback and running back in Daniel Jones and Saquon. Barkley Look Daniel Jones the number one thing he has to learn how to do is to protect the football in the pocket. No doubt about a Steve Young calls it. He has to be two places at once learn how to be two places at once learn how to know what's around them in the pocket, but at the same time being able to. Pick receivers down the field and Saquon we know right now he's arguably maybe the most talented running back in in the national football league he just needs to have more opportunities in the run and pass game as far as weaknesses are concerned. Really it starts on the defense side into start with pass rush this football that isn't enough that isn't adept enough creating enough havoc around the quarterback to where they can create more turnovers but they were twenty eighth enforce last year and they need to really. Create that in order to be more successful on defense thirty one plus points thirty one plus points in nine different games. Last year, we're going to have to create a little bit more turnovers create a little confused on the defensive side of they're able to make any headway in the NFC east for sure. This journey talked about are dealing with that idea of having a new head coach three, four teams in the NFC annecy eastern dealing with that the team that seems to have it all together. Though. It's The Philadelphia Eagles in terms of their GM head coach in their quarterback returning this season, right. So they they won the NFC east last season reaching the playoffs for the third straight year. Notable additions include three time Pro Bowler Darius slay as well as draft picks Jalen, Rieger and Jalen hurts and their biggest loss of course, Safety Malcolm Jenkins says now, with New Orleans Saints, he started every game during that six year run in Philly. So Darlington Gimme the shrimp weaknesses of the Philadelphia Eagles. Maybe a little bit surprised here to say that I'm GonNa take my strength over to the defensive side of the ball mostly 'cause I always loved with defensive coordinator. Jim Schwartz has done with that group, but we look at specifically the defensive tackles. That's where I think the real strength is got three absolute studs up there and flex your Cox Fully Jackson Giovane harder. These guys allowed edge to be better because they can really rotate them in Schwartz loves to do that sort of thing. So I really think that that will be a major factor for this defense. Now, let's talk potential weakness and this one might not be one that everybody agrees both with wide receivers I just WanNa see them stale the for this group to really be successful when it comes to the Sean, Jackson Alshon Jeffery and I, know that drafted three speeding guys in the draft I just I don't know that they're there yet and they need that for Carson Wentz it could be a talented group. Got To wait and see on those guys I think it's a potential weakness that could very quickly become a big time strength. Yeah. All right. Let's go down ninety five south to the Washington DC area where we know the team changed their name. They also hired Ron as the team head coach after finishing in last place in the NFC. East in twenty, nine, thousand, nine, they drafted chase young though second overall to add to an very, very strong defensive line that they already got their. So Washington finally parted ways with Trent Williams, tree him to the niners for two future picks. Jeff Saturday, what do you like about, Washington? I'M GONNA, say they're defensive front is the strength for me, and now you think you know you put Ron Rivera, who's a great coach Jack del Rio. The defensive coordinator will be huge edition for them as well. This team could be special upfront. You got paint draft and chase young these gas can quite get after the quarterback out in the middle. Can they play again I? Think that's what Jack del Rio does. So well, he gets everybody involved everybody Rebecca excited about that weakness I was GonNa say Tripoli and put the best best game but I'm go back and here's what they gotta make a decision with clean hats. This is this is the here to do is he your guy? that. Argument given lack worship one seat, the guy who's been a leading. You heard. Ron Prepared. Alex because of a bracket. But. Lane has been. A fake it. And put this football team where they need to be laid it all out guys the good and the bad. So make your picks. Darlington. Let's go with you the NFC East who is going to win the division. I'm going Dallas Cowboys. I think that this is the year for them. We'll see how far they go but I think they will win the division. All right Louis. The ways Dallas. Jeffords Philadelphia they had the most continuity that week. This is going to be a strength for them provided they stay healthy. This is the Carson wentz year baby a south. Philadelphia. Saturday. I'm going cowboy that yellow more McCarthy together with that Zeke Elliott's could run it through the running back let offensive line banks and people around hidden deep that some rest you don't gotta go to all these receivers I know they gonNA have thousand cards. Running back cowboys. I they didn't give me one ongoing Eagles Tale the Eagles won the NFC last season. But guys remember in this division it's been a really long time since team came back and won it again. In fact, it was the eagles did it back in two thousand three guys this already August espn fantasy football is back. Oh, check it out on ESPN DOT. com slash fantasy football, and the real question is, should you be thinking about adding Antonio Brown hair lineup? He's a guy that's going to bring the best out you. Feel like he could fit in his locker room. He's God as competitive and you know he's going to go out there and get one hundred percent and seeing stuff like that may other guys you know I do the same. Obviously coming from his cousin plays on the Raven Jeff. What's the likelihood of be joining the Ravens? Well having people advocate for him like Marquees like Lamar Jackson in organization that has stability are all great things in terms of Antonio Brown's outlook. Still a matter of what harbaugh thinks what the team ultimately feels I would say that the likelihood is definitely highest when it comes to the Reverend's it makes the most sense and they haven't said no just yet. No they have not guys I started the show saying you're the best paddle and I'm going to end the show saying you are the best Hannah guys thanks for joining, NFL
"Hey, you Anna, welcome to the strategic. Hey, Andrea, thanks for having me on your welcome. But you're the producer. So you have to be that is true. I do have a question for you fire away as a host. I was hoping you could explain to me and our listeners what is the strategic s all about. It's about the American spirit of leadership and compassion. So many great leaders come through the Bush institute, and we want more people to be able to share in the conversation that we're having I love that. But what does each episode look like? So each episode is going to be a discussion with one of these leaders, and I'll be joined by my expert colleagues at the Bush institute who are committed to developing leaders advancing policy taking actions that solve today's pressing issues. That's really neat. But I have one more question for you. Where did the name strategic come from? Well, it's based off the words strategically that's forever associated with President Bush it originated in the run-up to the two thousand election and kind of took on life of its own from there. But let's let him tell that story. So I had done it with Lorne Michaels ahead of Saturday Night Live. He said, I put a gray speechwriter on you. And he came up with strategic, and I said, wait a minute. I said strategically so he never says your teacher. He no he never did. It's just a line from Saturday Night Live. I love that he embraced it. We've embraced it. We have the shakira's because of it, and we also learned that President Bush can laugh at himself. Sometimes exactly preceded our guests are kind of like President Bush, and that they take problem solving very seriously. And they take the issues very seriously. But they also know when to laugh and know when to bring a little levity end of the day, and we've tried to adopt that E ON this show. I think President Bush said it best on Jimmy Kimmel twenty seventeen do you? Remember that episode a think and went to bed early that night. So fill me in. He said the best humor is when he can laugh at yourself. And that's exactly what this podcast is about. Which is what you mentioned. So we hope you our listeners. Learn a little bit about leadership laugh a little bit with us, and that you subscribe on itunes Spotify and all the major podcast apps.
BONUS: Introducing Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata
"Hey, everyone. Matt here with a little mid break tree just for you. And when I say tree, I'm mean it because we have a teaser for a brand new podcast from comedians. Nicole by your Inza, shears Mehta. It's called best friends. You obviously know Nicole, because she was a guest complainer elast season. Here unhappy, our duh. You also might know her from nailed it on Netflix. And of course, you know, the sheer from a little show called Saturday Night Live, and if you don't know them, first of all go back and listen to that episode of unhappy, our you fools. But Secondly, you're to want to get to know them because these ladies are freaking funny, and they are for real best friends, which is pretty important for a podcast called best friends on best friends joined a co in this year as they talk and laugh together the way real best friends to imagine that a podcast with your best friend. I mean technically this podcast is with berry. Who's not anyone's best friend. She's my enemy TB age. But we love her anyway, and this podcast works. So imagine a pockets with your best friend. It's gotta be good. Everyone needs a best friend, and if you don't have one lucky for you, you can still have this podcast. So go ahead and search for best friends in your podcast app, and check out the first episode it's out right now in hit subscribes you don't miss an episode. In the meantime, here's a little bit of best friends with the co buyer in the shears made up. So yeah, okay, here's our segment where we talk about icon ick. Friends. Studio audience. Yeah. We have this is live in front of a studio audience. Okay. It's the first episode. Let's talk about icon of the most iconic said about trans Oprah and Gayle, we're trying to get them on the podcast. I believe it will happen one. I think it's going to happen. Where does out to them Gail? Oh, if you're listening, please. Come on down to ear wolf. Here's valet. You don't have to park your own car. You'll get a ticket and classic. Valet fashion got chips. There's chips, he ODA there's water. Honestly. If you want, you know, like food, I bring you something, they have a Pani story. Yes. Because the intruder Gaels old radio show was, I was at Oprah's house. And there was a thunderstorm, and I couldn't go home and Oprah said, why don't you stay here? And I said, but I don't have any panties and Oprah said you could wear mind, which is so funny, that they thought it was a like a relatable best friends, because I have never worn your panties that never won your panties. No, I don't even know in what context that would happen, also be like girl, just sleep here. Like you don't have to really need panties to sleep. Well, sometimes my little snatch gets all. You saw grubs wrong. Cover it up the sheets be tearing up my per se. So I gotta protect who was some underwear. Not the ones I today, the brand new pair out of a drawer. I go to sleep sleep home, and the pennies are good guard to make sure that I don't get to wrong. Disgusting. Raw raw. I said that to you the other night. Bubi. Yes. That was best friends find them in your podcast app. A right now. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next month with our regularly scheduled programing.
What Saturday Night Live Taught America About Forgiveness
"Hi, Jim Denison. And this is the daily article I will be away the remainder of the week on vacation in my absence, my research, associate in San Ryan Denison. Well, right. The daily article it will be read daily by Denison. Foreign brand director, Chris Elkins? I will return on Monday November nineteenth. I hope you enjoy Ryan's approach to news. Discern differently what Saturday Night Live taught America about forgiveness Saturday Night Live. I show built around commenting on current events through satire and attempts at humor. Some more successful than others is rarely known for improving the country's morality two Saturdays ago, cast member Pete Davidson up hit a Mayes that fact after making fun of a war injury suffered by congressman elect, Dan Crenshaw, a Republican from Texas after the segment aired there was an understandable backlash from people on both sides of the political spectrum with responses ranging from demand. Hands for an apology to calls for Davidson and show creator. Lorne Michaels to be fired both are in the news again today. However because they instead took a rather unusual approach to resolving the situation rather than he'd the calls to fire either man, Saturday Night Live chose instead to invite Crenshaw to appear next Davidson on Saturday show, the segment opened with a bit of self deprecating humor from contrite Davidson before allowing Crenshaw the chance to poke fun at him and ultimately deliver a powerful call to forgiveness. My purpose today is not to rehash the controversy or even focus on the interactions between the two men rather. It's to point out that the show offered a compelling and important alternative to the two most common reactions when someone makes a mistake or offers offense to another person party or group. The easiest path to take for Saturday Night Live after Davidson's original comments would have been simply to fire or suspend the comedian until the controversy subsided. Such a decision would have likely satisfied, the cries for blood that emanate so quickly from the various corners of our society. When someone violates the absolute laws of political correctness to be sure there are times when such action is both appropriate and necessary. However, perhaps not win the primary victim of such attacks seems genuinely unbothered as did Crenshaw when he initially responded by incur djing us. And I quote to get away from this culture where we demand apologies. Every time someone else miss speaks in quote, conversely, Saturday Night Live could have simply ignored the matter in the hopes. Said it would eventually fade from our collective consciousness, given that the midterm elections followed three days later, it's quite likely that few would have remembered by the time Saturday night's episode. Aired such an approach would have done nothing to rectify the initial wrong. But it also would have cost the show little instead Saturday Night Live chose to take a third route one that offers us a powerful lesson for dealing with our culture today by inviting Crenshaw to appear next Davidson, not only was the initial wrong publicly addressed and forgiveness, given but the show also gave the nation a chance to witness. The fact that little is accomplished when we define people by their worst mistakes Jesus's golden rule do unto others as you would have them do unto you Luke six thirty one remains etched in our collective conscience as a reveal. Shared ideal even 'Society move steadily away from biblical morality in many ways it lies at the foundation of the cultures worship of tolerance. After all the fundamental purpose of protecting someone else's faith actions. And opinions is the belief that we would want them to do the same for us that they have just as much right to live their life as they wish as we do while most of us would likely agree. That's not how it usually plays out. The basic impulse is good yet. There's an aspect of the golden rule that often goes overlooked by Christians and non Christians alike. When Jesus I gives these words in Luke's gospel. He does so in the context of teaching his disciples to love their enemies. He assumed that such treatment would not be returned. Meaning that the only reason a person could have for acting in this way is. Because Jesus said it was the correct thing to do. That becomes especially important in how we react when others wrong us when you and I say or do something we come to regret, we tend to approach rectifying the situation with the understanding that it was just one mistake. And even if that lapse in judgment falls among a series of missteps that could indicate a genuine flaw in our character, it rarely changes the way we see ourselves on a fundamental level in short. We give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. And don't define ourselves by our worst moments. We might even take the same approach to our friends and family, but think back to the last time a stranger cut you off in traffic or you overheard a difficult co-worker gossiping about you behind your back. What were your first thoughts about the other person? Did you think he must be just having a bad day or she simply got caught up in the moment. Perhaps. But I think for most of us such errors either create or confirm a primary negative view of the other person. We assume the worst in others, but the best in ourselves, and Jesus was very clear that we are called to do more than that. Christ's command to treat others as we want to be treated means having as much mercy for them as we'd have for ourselves Saturday night lives decision to allow Dan Crenshaw and Pete Davidson to share a stage on Saturday night allowed the former navy seal to demonstrate the truth of that statement. What would our culture look like if Christians became known for taking that position when we're mocked or ridiculed? What impact could that have on your relationship with the difficult neighbor or co worker as the late Eugene Peterson so powerfully wrote? And I quote muckraking is not gospel work, which hunting is not gospel work, shaming, the outcast is not gospel work forgiving, sin is gospel work. Our culture needs to see us respond to hate. Eight and derision with Gus spool work rather than outrage pity. They need to see us. Forgive them. Just as we would forgive ourselves. Can you do that today will you? Thank you for listening to today's daily article pud cast for more news to Sern differently. Order receive the daily article by Email, please. Visit Denison forum dot org.
Rush Limbaugh Dec 09, 2020
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Ep. 32: The Disappeared; Singer & Producer Amber Mark; Philadelphia: City Of Murals
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The ninth of November leading street artists stick and hearing Wa who have united to create a brand matic four and it's lasting legacy the artwork will be outside Imperial War Museum London Genesis and this is stance an independent award-winning arts and culture podcast loved testable a literature festival featuring writers of Color High meant how you great to be here that's what we're going to hear so in this episode of stunts we cover the theme of the disappeared accuse really someone dignified with is a son of course the tense I lost someone that I can think about because he is so precious income readers to attend to live that they would otherwise Dan in order to describe it I had to imagine it I and lastly we apps the city in a way that could coexist with the lakes also say in food they try to raise his culture completely they had a certain vision of what city between Miami New York when I was really young and then when I was about nine years old my mom decided she wanted to go about four years then eventually went to Berlin I really L. Adelphia to check out it's incredible mirrow art scene it's really interesting because I worked they said it like they had a lemon in their mouth and I would be like well I resent that because I realized this and if you think about graffiti street art murals in public art those boundaries are much more blurred found guest editing you've already talked about it before it's so good to work view and again the theme of disappeared people in Iraq because it's currently really relevant it's important personally and emotionally invested in and it's really exciting to also just look at how the theme for joining us but onto our Cortra- shoutouts just WanNa talk really quickly about Barat he it stars Bahrain Qassari as a champion athlete stranded in her the star Iran and then also the other women in the rose they play in the film and it's also just an I'm going to see is out now via pillow pictures also wanted to talk about tweaked attention to details to now the favourite show Keto she has a single out could give it up just come out it's worth doc it's a sort of tune it can definitely here in night clubs then you can also there's no I didn't mean it like that actually I'm always dancing including shows I don't know about you and the next thing is eastland and dance and exciting show by all female hip hop dance collective myself eight to twelve hip hop but they've sort of grown to be a really exciting off email oh also excited to see this and I've also heard excellent reviews it's about Jimmy and his best friend Mont as they try and reclaim a house that was built by Jimmy's ACL home and San Francisco is hugely affected by gentrification so it's like it's Cisco and then one day they thought you know what why don't we just do a film about the relationship that we have suggested comedy drama which is called Donald is my name and it stars the might and his work is sewn fluential that he was known as a rap pioneer but no one really yeah so I actually saw the trailer for the farewell a few months ago and of stuff and then put it out on video and film features Akwa Fina who featured in her grandmother's death right yes I saw the film and I absolutely loved it pick up Taqwa Phoenix Shen if someone's dying you don't tell them everyone kind of knows apart from the person who's dying also an American film but that is American in a way so it feels really international because saying that was a really really good one makes you go and see that Wallace out my sister actually came back home all of these recommendations on the website stance podcasts dot com. If you don't have a pen to hand podcast dot com marijuana and tape Alkadiri have been working on a film to uncover just this find out more about this so earlier I sat down with journalists and filmmakers Taif and meant as you sat there between two hundred and fifty thousand and one million missing persons in Iraq that government forces or forces affiliated with the government will basically in secret detention or they'll I'm killed them and then throw their bodies mass graves can you tell me more about the people who have been abducted in Iraq and some dates around this it's just a Red Cross and the International Commission on missing persons is the highest all the time during the fight against Islamic state in Iraq forces or government-affiliated forces and then these forces refused to provide and chasing up authorities and it also means that it has really broad socio economic Assam an Iraqi story and that story following the story of Salam son with some because he wanted to find out more about two son wanted to find out about his whereabouts he wanted to try and find Salaam is important because he set up organization in honor of his son and hang on in which Salome recounts the events leading up to his son's disappearance some has courage patients and dignity he's a man of his word he's really someone dignified one entrance at the end of the road we have left to go repair his car tire but so the Americans were conducting on the third occasion around six later he got to the top of the road and the Americans withdraw the question him for sixteen days you'll posh by reception and told them that my son had been arrested by Americans and it had been looking for him for sixteen days him where were you a search for you everywhere all the Iraqi police stations and the American detention mm-hmm and your car's license plate in the computer said you were Intel there and he said Wissam was arrested the second of rest was with his friends they put his name in the computer to the house and seem suspicious the fact that he had been working with the US or that he was highly because we had a mark on him and the first mark letter second arrest and the rest friends that he had witnessed the incident he told me that he had seen them getting arrested by the US soldiers would eventually understood it was the Americans had taken have we had already con a friend and a partner in crime as I say a keep of precious to me had criticizes La Wow that was really solved initially he thinks son was abducted by militias however he finds out adoptions in your August four overlapping chapters in your history and present I it would be buried alive and mass graves and then you had the US invasion wim and they were held in those black sites which are essentially just secret prisons across the country they were carrying out religious and ethnic based abductions so you might just since two thousand ten where efficiently the Iraqi state has been in charge of the military appearing and held in prisons with or often without anyone's knowledge and you might be going so you need and so really what you see is that people have been abducted by a whole range so that his son was abducted just three hundred meters away from his house by us some people you might have seen they might have seen that there have been and continues to be large against the rampant government corruption and against the lack of basic services in revenue per month despite this they don't provide basic services unemployed and this is sixteen years after the two thousand three invasion the US and by Iraqi politicians who are living abroad in two thousand really yes so on the surface it may not seem directly relatable I was shed based on sect and religion and what that means is that militias against those protesters they're shooting at protesters with live bullets and killing them funding violence against itself through those militias and are doing fundraising so we're applying for different funding sources with families to try to find their loved ones and also updates and where people can make donations but I just wanted to say as Iraqis this story yeah I've lost family members typhus lost family members so really what we're doing is telling the story invention by mixing fiction and nonfiction in order to tell more stories most so we're here in central London I'm with mend and we've just come Babacan station American literature and History Guggenheim fellow just been named as one of the two thousand generation black women born after the emancipation of slavery we're on our way to meet her now in way with lives beautiful experiments you explore women living in America's northern cities the kind of plantation life and refused to be housemaids to kind of rich wealthy white Michael why
Episode 538 | When to Sunset a Product, Enterprise Security Assessments, Lifetime Deals, and More Listener Questions
"Welcome once again to start up for the rest of us. The podcast that helps developers designers and entrepreneurs be awesome at building launching and growing ambitious software startups. That's a throwback intro if you've been listening for more than a couple years you might remember that phrase from the prior intro. Thanks for joining me today. I'm your host rub. Walling is episode. Five hundred thirty eight where i welcome in our full set back on the show. He's my co-founder with tiny seed. And we talk about listener questions today. We zip through man. I think it's maybe six questions. Seven questions now when to sunset a product filling out enterprise security assessments acquiring a company where the previous owner had sold. Lifetime deals not disclosed it before we dive into that conversation. Wanted to let you know that our next microcosm remote is coming up. At the end of march you can head to microcosm remote dot com for info about that. We're diving into early stage marketing tactics. We're going to have five sessions were. Each one is a case. Study with numbers looking at a specific early stage sas marketing tactics. So if you're at the place where you're scratching and clawing for first users or first customers. I'd say if you're sub maybe ten k. Mr this microcosm promote is designed for you microsoft promote dot com to check it out and get your ticket and with that. Let's dive into listener questions with inartful set interval set. Welcome back on the show sir. Thanks for having me absolutely. You may be hitting that steve martin on saturday night live mark where you perhaps are the most frequent guest. I don't know. I think i've been like three maybe four. Maybe it's more than that. I don't remember. I think it is. Yeah because you were on least one of the startup. The news round tables and then qna and we talked about company types. Remember then we did one on the pc type thing. I think there's a lot so good to have you back but for folks who are less familiar with what you've been up to. I mean you're experiencing you have a phd in computer science. And but i won't hold that against you and you actually taught cornell for a couple of years you were in white at a start up your in y combinator in the two thousand nine class. You have a lot of experience with enterprise sales with cold outreach. Called the outbound. Email live experience in emanate specifically the sell side of sas. You founded a company called discretion capital. That is basically the kind of the go to that. I refer people to if they're if they're like. Hey i renaissance app doing seven figures or eight figures and i've been approached by private equity or by strategic to you know and they made me an offer and it's like okay so there are people who do this for a living and you know you are one of those people with a lot of expertise senate and so obviously you know. There's other folks working in there. Because you and i are focused and working hard on tiny seed and we just closed fun to him blows. Let's call it. come on. Give me some more time to fill this sucker. I keep saying closed what i mean. Is i close so doing well with that. And then obviously batch three applications. You're in and we're working through those so why we don't have enough going on. I figured pull your mike answer. Some listener questions today are is so with that. Let's dive into our first question. It's voicemail from phil at its circle. Time dotcom fell from its circle. Time dotcom. we provide a online classes for kids across the united states of america and canada. We matched them with high quality teachers. That will help them socialize and continue their education when we launched the company earlier this summer we started with a preschool targeted audience. With bringing the circle time experience online meeting up to ten other kids of their. You know similar age three six six. Then we started. New course called kinder- prep which has is targeted towards four. To six year olds who are entering kindergarten. Kinda struggling in maybe their distance. Learning this is blown up well beyond ever hoped for which is awesome Now you know run track for four hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year in new run rate in only about four months of our history however now our new service offering is dwarfing original in revenue. And i'm kinda curious like when would you consider possibly studying sunsetting or winding down something you know. Even though it's only making like eight thousand dollars a month revenue that's about a third of what the other product makes and the new one is growing leaps and bounds. Anyways just want to pick your brain and sweet. You thank you. Thanks for that question phil and just so you know. Fill centers voice mail in about a month ago. And we're able to get it get to it already because voicemails always go to the top of the stack so if you're gonna questions two questions at starter for the rest of us dot com. You wanted answered quickly at least with a month or so. That's quickly and sent sent voice voicemails. Some of the other written questions we're answering here are like october of last year. Sorry it's been been a little bit of a backup but fill a little more context in writing and he basically broke it down like we had this offering. It grew to eight or nine k. A month and then we added a second offering and that far outpaced it. And it's three times the revenue so three plus one it's like seventy percent of the revenue is the new course. He said the you're the original service is only doing eight or nine ks a lot more complex. It has three membership plans versus the new direction with a single plan. And so his question in the end he says i guess. My question is what factors. Would you look at when trying to determine win or if it is a good time to sunset a product or service. I'm in between a rock and a hard place with this issue. And i'd love to hear your advice so many thoughts. What what do you think sir mean. I'm a great believer in focused through degree. So it's like it sort of depends on how much you know. How much time is being taken up in efforts being taken by the original product but from what we're hearing it's link. This is something that three times as large and much shorter time. Like anything that detracts from that growth. I would be. I'd be wary of even if a bunch of time it's been sunk into the prior product. Yeah i'm of the same boat i mean. He said that the the new product that has taken off is three times also three times the price of the previous ones. So that instantly makes me think. What could you triple the price of the first one and have similar numbers you know. Yeah so my inclination is usually entrepreneurs wanted to too many things and we have shiny object syndrome. And as you're saying focus. Is i think a core value that that we both share in that respect and so i would wrestle with the idea that either. The new one just has better product market. And you go all in on that. Or yeah i just cannot imagine having something that is making three times the money and is three times the price meeting you have far fewer customers or i guess you have the same amount of customers doing three times the revenue. I cannot imagine not sunsetting the original one or at least tweaking. The original one like i said by tripling the price for new people or messing around with it to see. Can i get the same profitability or the same level of effort out of this. He also said there were three membership plans. It's more complicated with the old one. So do away with those and go to a single plan and maybe you grandfather people for now who are already in it and just try it with new folks or maybe you don't. That's the hard part about this. I think is there. There's a lot of details to it and my gut feeling is you're going to sunset the previous one unless you can figure out tweaks to make it as profitable as easy to run because if not there really is no. There's no reason to spend equal time onto parts of your business. If one business is making three times the money. Yeah i agree. I mean i think like once you found something that's growing three times as fast growing three times as fast but certainly like at least that by the looks of things it would be kind of silly just to sort of divert your focus onto something that isn't doing as well. That's my view. And i think you brought up some costs fallacy which is a good thing to think about right a lot of us get attached to our first idea or we attached to something. That's that's working. It's hard to think about all the hours we put into it. You really don't you don't want to do that in this case. So thanks for the question. Phil hope that was helpful. Our next question is from matthew. The subject line is split personality marketing and he says harare listening to tiny seed tail season. Two i was listening to brian. And scottie talk about their move. Upmarket with gather and i'll cut in here. Gathered tiny seed batch one company and they have sas for interior designers so back to the email he says. I got to wondering if it's possible to target a whole new audience as you grow by spinning out a new product new in quotes or a new company. That's just a white label. Version of the original product probably different settings different features enabled and different marketing slash support channels in some ways. It would be a bit. Like turning the enterprise plan into the enterprise product. I'm guessing it could be dangerous to split your focus. But if you know anyone who's tried and succeeded tried and failed. I'd be fascinated to hear their take. Intuitively it sounds like a terrible but seductive idea trying to have it all but can't help empathy for the smaller fish. Brian and scotty mentioned were still arriving at the site but being turned off or turned away by their move up market. What do you think sir. I'm not sure about this. But my gut feeling is like whoa. Why isn't the room in the existing brand to have a wide range of price. I mean we're talking about price. Differences does presumably. That's what's going on here. Like i guess i'm gonna unsure exactly what he means by just white labeling and making a new company our new plan like presumably it's a it's a price and positioning thing and presumably mainly A price thing and my question then is like why isn't the room and the existing brand to have a very wide range of prices. I think a lot of people are almost like anchored to their own price in a weird way people say oh i i have a nineteen dollars a month plan of forty nine dollars a month plan in a ninety nine dollars a month plan but we have some bigger customers or if we position slightly differently maybe we can charge a thousand bucks a month or two thousand bucks a month and that's probably true like it's probably more often than not if you're selling to the enterprises but i still would be wary of. I still think the easier solution is just to you know. Lean into an enterprise plan and have it be a call us type situation where maybe you thought about the things that you know. Make it an enterprise plan whether that's a single sign on or as you do custom contracts or whatever it is that that makes it a whole different price point for enterprises so that would probably be my main question. As if it's the same product is just a different branding and a different price. Then i'm like why not build that into the existing product unless it's like specifically position does like the cheaper alternative in the market. Which you then. Then you have a problem but then you have other problems in my view. Yeah and i think he's talking about remember. when brian. this guy started tiny seat. They were charging. Lowest price plan was between twenty. Nine thirty nine i forget and by the they were six months eight months. Then they were. I believe that two hundred two hundred fifty now. And that's what he's talking about is they did add the enterprise but they gets left out the bottom of the market and they people who would want and i think in some cases like that. That just isn't a bottom of the market. You know what. I mean like particularly for bbc stuff. It's like if you're meeting. Somebody particularly was something like the guardian. Brian habits like this is a software used fulltime. You know like a lot of the time you're using the software if you're in this industry and who are the people who are spending that much time in some software and it's critical to their business but they're not willing to spend a two hundred dollars a month like does that really exist or are these wannabe business. Almost like i would buy it if it was thirty. Nine dollars a month. Like what you really know like would you use it. I dunno to matthews in question of phone off this this higher priced plan and making it its own entity. I think that is an absolutely catastrophic idea. I hate it. I hate it with the heat. Thousand burnings the one thing that we have onto our time and our focus right to things. But it's like that's the most important thing so can you imagine okay. I'm gonna go register another domain name. I'm going to go because it's not. The code is not the product. That's the problem like if we're my guess is matthew is a product person or an engineer and we think oh if we have this code. Why can't we just have two of them. In the entire you need to sales teams to sales people. You need to support email. Inboxes you need people supporting it. You need a domain name. Now how gonna drive traffic. Seo seo is hard enough on one side now. We're going to split our focus. We're gonna create continental on and on. It's all the things you don't think about. Sure copy in the code and flipping. A few bits of the defaults are different. That's fine that's done but it's everything that's not the product that is likely you're running two companies now and frankly you'll grow twice as fast if not faster if you just focus on one of them. I think trying to do it without trying to to make a decision and avoid loss and like so many decisions involve some type of loss right. it's tradeoff. Yeah i mean. I think it's one of those things to me. It sounds like if if i were to guess. I think he's just sort of scared of having a higher price plan or having an enterprise call us type plan and ask for twenty times as much for the enterprise plan. That's what it smells like to me. So then it's like okay. I'm gonna make this whole different brand. And it's the end brand but i mean unless you're toyota and lexus. Like this is. I don't think it's a good idea right. And that's that's the thing. I've been talking about a lot on the podcast lately as you know. There's there's low touch funnels lower. No touch funnels where people come. They sign up. They self-serve usually fifty dollars or below ish and and those little businesses. And frankly if you get super high volume it can be a great you know medium sized just you can get into the definitely six figures and often like low seven figures and then there's the high touch businesses which are going to be more enterprise and then there are dual funnels where you have a low touch funnel and high touch funnel and so imagine the we are recording right now on software called squad cast and you can imagine squad cast has people recording fly fishing very almost hobbyists almost but they are hobbyists who are paying whatever their lowest price plan is on squad cast nine dollars a month record the podcast and then you can imagine the squad caskets approached by a large podcast network and they should be paying and are willing to pay thousands of dollars a month. That is an amazing amazing funneled to have both of those. We have other chinese companies. Who are in that position. Where will you hear. Craig talking about it on his podcast. Where obviously the lowest price casto. Once again we are hosting on on campus. But you know the the lowest price plan there is. I believe it's it's maybe nine hundred dollars a month but then they also have this private podcasting and their catering to these enterprises and to think people with big personal brands and those are much larger deals. And if you have the funnel and you can make that work that to me is like the golden ticket of sas. You could totally again. You can totally make it with low. Touched kotova make with high touch. Only we see companies sixteen in one but the idea of having both but splitting them into two separate products to me gives me it gives me. I'm heart palpitations here. Thinking about it because a lot of the time there's little bit like if has the same thing right. They have their low cost. Self-serve started to drop shipping thing and it's easy and then they have sherifi plus or pro or whatever it's called where it's you know it's two three thousand dollars a month together. Sherifi pro count and the fact. The matter is is like a i think. A lot of the shoprite pro stumbled as called. Plus you know. I love those customers. They started out on the lower stuff when they graduate. They grow to trust brand and then they stepped up to the pro plan. Or whatever. And if you if you were to separate it and it's like oh shop is only like the low and stuff then you might actually put off some of the larger shops who are like all the medium sized shops like well. That's not gonna shopper five. Because they don't have a top level player in the enterprise version that we might eventually need so. Yeah i i agree. I'm not. I don't think it's a good idea. And i think for matthews part of his question was almost like he said like almost feel bad for the individual interior designers who were hitting their site and being shell shocked at the price. Raise the two hundred to two hundred fifty dollars price point and like you said earlier. We'll if they're serious and they're in the software all the time it's that important than they should be willing to do it. And if they really wanna pay forty bucks a month for something then you you just refer them out to your cheaper competitor. Who is staying down market right. I mean that's that's the other option. We used to refer at drip. Some people come to say say. Oh well i only have fifteen hundred person list. And we're a nonprofit and oftentimes. It was like well. We can either give you a discount or go to mail chimp free. It's free up to two thousand like we were not in it for fifty dollars a month from from everybody that came through. Sometimes they were just better options. So i hope that was helpful. Matthew our next question comes from olivier and he has a success story plus the question actually funny he said hey rob i just wanted to thank you for taking a long shot in episode five hundred fifteen at the twenty eight minute mark. When answering listener question the question was for martin and it was about where to look to find a founder for his startup. activity messenger you said. He might want to look at his first couple of clients and here i am one of his early clients who is now officially co founder of activity messenger rob walling founder matchmaker. Nice now that's that's super cool. Love to hear stuff like that. So he says. I've been running a kid. Sports business for the last ten years with another partner that has been mostly running by itself for the last two years and has reminded to listeners. Activity messenger is aimed at kids. Sports businesses and so it's a product built for people like him right. He was using it as a as a customer and now he is involved as a co founder. So he said. I have two questions for you. The first is any tips. On how i can use to my advantage of the fact that i am a client as well as co founder and marketing sales during onboard calls. What do you think about that. Inner yeah i mean i would lean into that i be like yeah all these boffin software guys. They don't truly understand the industry like guy do because i've been there and done that. Certainly i think that that that makes sense. Yeah in the content staff and like all that stuff. I would certainly lead into that people like to see like oh people like me or using this stuff and in general like that's why you have customer testimonials and things and say oh companies like ours this but if you have a co founder or someone in the business who's who's been in the industry can speak the lingo and be their side of things. Do you think that's helpful. Yeah i think hit the nail on the head with. I was in this situation with my sports business. And this is how it served my need. You know. I mean you can do that as examples and you have credibility the other thing that i used to do because i don't like sales. I don't like sales calls. But i've done them. When i needed to especially in the early days of drip i did some for sale to but especially in the days of drip i would get on the call and i'd say hey. I'm a co founder. I'm not a salesperson. I'm actually a developer. Turn suffer entrepreneurs. So i'm not going to do the sales thing to you. I'm going to talk about the product. I'd ask me questions but it instantly disarmed people whether it's right or wrong. There's a stigma with sales people. Are they gonna try to talk me into blah blah blah. But i was like look highway in every day feature should be built and i'm a user of that we built this to solve our own problems with this other sas app so there was instantly some credibility and a bit of i believe that i got the benefit of the doubt on a lot of those calls because i was not only a client but a co founder as well i think you should lead into that and i think that's probably just get case for for that industry as well and his second question. I'm not sure if how much i have to say about this one. But he said. I've had extensive success in marketing and sales in the sports and leisure industry. Selling an in-person service in the b. to c. world any tips on how to translate those skills into sas and the b. b. world. Do you know what i i guess. Maybe some fleeting thoughts but no major connections for me moving from one to the other. No not really. I mean marketing and sales. I guess maybe marketing is more similar than sales. I've never done beat his sales so i don't. I'm not really familiar with it. But the way that i think about like abi stuff particularly high end. Bbc sales is that it tends to be almost like an outsource consultant like. That's what you are like your like your standard almost be like we have this solution. If you if you use the solution then you'll be better off and like i'm the one who understands enough about your problems facing to be a trusted adviser in in choosing what software to go with which. I don't know if that translates from the bbc world produced a sports and leisure. I'm afraid and he wraps up his email he says i'm also a father of two young kids and i love how. Your podcast is geared towards people who don't have eighty hours a week for their startup. Really appreciate the episode. You mentioned recently about raising entrepreneurial. Kids on then founder podcast. It's one of the most popular episodes at love. More those thanks for taking the time congrats. It's super cool to hear the success story of guys parent up would love to hear updates. You can email them in or cinemas voicemails a whenever good things happen and let us know your progress shirt. People like to follow that story. Our next one's a good one. I think you might have feelings on this one. And what's funny is you these all come in via email and actually responded to him via email. Because i was so worked up about this. Oh i'll let you answer. And then i get to kind of tell. Tell you what you melt. So from. Dan and he says hey rob. We've recently acquired a sas. That's making about four and a half thousand dollars a month. So four point five k r. We've since discovered that there's a significant number of lifetime users in the app. The previous owner sold them a lifetime plan for a one off fee two to three years before the business changed hands. Now we're wondering what to do with these users. Can we offer them deal and ask them to pay something on a recurring basis. Or do we just eat the cost. I wonder what you would do grateful for your advice and everything you do. what do you think. Oh yeah my first. My first two sentences in this respond to him is the seller. Screw this is a bull move to not disclose and depending on what contracts were signed. This could be seen as a breach of contract or fraud for not going so this this would be because it's like lifetime is funny right so so you do the stuff. Then there's this concept of like working capital and how you account for things and like you know. What do you do cash accounting. You do a cruel accounting all stuff and not as extreme case of this if you're selling on january first say and on december thirtieth year before you hold a big annual sale and sell a million dollars worth of software if you sell the business on january first or second then the buyer very sensibly would argue that okay. Well you have to leave the vast majority of the cash for the sale that you just did in the business because we're the one who have to service this like we have to provide the service that's being that's being used and so this is the kind of thing that at least i mean four thousand forty five hundred morts not probably depends how the deal was done but usually these kind of things are in place but like for a bigger deal to five millionaire billionaire. Certainly these are things that would be taken against reps and warranties. You how clawback close to save. You found this out afterwards. You could go after the seller and say hey you didn't disclose that like twenty percent of your customers aren't paying us. We're supposed to service them for life. I mean that's that's a pretty big So yeah it's a pretty big piece of information to leave out. I think in the sales process for sure. Yeah as i said. I'm i'm pretty bummed about it. I actually asked him for some clarifications. And i said how many are there do you get support requests from them and he basically said we do get customer support requests from them paying for an agent to answer from everyone and those are included. Because i was asking what are the actual cost or is this negligible. And he basically said. We have one hundred ninety seven active subscribers stripe who are paying customers. Then we have one hundred twenty two lifetime. Lifetime customers paid a one time fee. It's hard to tell how many of these are active on a regular basis. But like i said in my previous point it looks like quite a few are active judging by the volume of customer support requests. So i tell him that. I feel the same way. So the seller screw. I said i don't know you purchase price but depending on how you feel about this might be worth reaching out to the seller and basically saying you owe the money back like you breach contract. I mean basically talk to a lawyer if if you paid thirty grand for this then it's probably not worth any of that but if you paid one hundred fifty two hundred grand for this then like it starts to become a thing where getting a lawyer to write a letter is an issue and it depends. It depends how you did it like a lot of the template is like deals for the smaller stuff. There is some stuff in there. That's just like you know. Did they make reps and warranties in this in the asset sale or whatever that they now have breached. I could it be that there are certain things in there that says we've disclosed all xyz so there could be some remedies there. I mean purely tactically going forward like the question is like i agree. I think the seller at least were a little coy about the truth. But i think like going forward is like okay. What would i do with those customers. It's not the customer's fault like they paid for a lifetime thing and like should they be punished because the company changed hands. Mike my gut feeling says no pens. Like i would be like. Is there something you can do to sort of not keep upgrading those people so if you adding features than just don't add it to these guys plan and just be like eventually. Some of those people be like. Hey i want this feature which case you like great. Now you need to upgrade outta your lifetime plan or whatever. That's probably the approach i would take. Yeah and one. Other piece of advice. I gave him was in your shoes. I would try to assess the actual damage so if you have a last logging date in the database you look through that through twenty two customers and say how many have actually logged in. My guess is it's not as many as you think because turn it's just simple turn even when you're paying for things often people stop using it. If you only have five percent of those people turned per month and some were sold four or five years and four years ago. I guess like two three years ago. Seventeen to twenty twenty over three years so there is. i mean. there's a strong possibility that there's maybe it's only thirty people. You know thirty lifetime fifty. These lifetimes are still using it. And if so my gut. I kind of wrote this whole email and then i said my gut is that. This is not worth pursuing. If the company made a lifetime deal nor for the legal side you try to get the exit like you said. Get the existing customers to pay more. I think your time is better. Spent marketing and sales rather than looking backwards right. This is a one time thing. It's a big shock but if you add starting ten twenty new customers a month which may you should ten twenty thirty in new month. Then this will become inconsequential so again not knowing every detail and there's a principal to it. I mean this is where that emotional side comes in is like the principle is principle but the actual but is it worth the time and the effort and the energy to go back and do it and that's where i would try to determine how many are actually using it all right well. Hopefully that was helpful. Dan and super bummed for you. Man don't don't sell lifetime deals. If you're in. I mean i assume probably one exception i would say and if you're gonna sell then you disclose when you exit that. Hey we do have these users and you can give reports of. This is how much they they use on a whatever basis so and also know that if you do an absolute dealer so left him there'll be some type of ding against you. You may have to give something back to the seller. Whatever as you're going through soap hope. That was helpful. Next question is about something that we hear about quite a bit. it's how to do enterprise security assessments. It's from felipe. he says. Hey rob first of all. Thank you for the amazing show. I'm a new listener. But already in love with your show and consider the best podcast for running a business up discovered so far. And i've tried a lot. I've specific question on enterprise security assessments. I run a app where small startup is started as a hobby. We're now six people. Twenty five k r were averaging seven percent month over month growth for the past two years every now and again we get some individual users from big enterprises and they usually send us a big information security self assessment questionnaire with one hundred fifty questions or more that if we pass it gets us on their internal list of approved vendors. Unfortunately most of these questions are clearly targeted for bigger companies. That have a lot more resources. And we need to answer negatively as we just don't have the time or human resources to have all these complicated procedures and policies they ask for so far we've had mixed success in answering these assessments. Sometimes we have passed but sometimes we have not to basically failed or been rejected and one time we actually got a simplified list of requirements to work against but every single time this was a ton of work for us which is not justified by the single or few licenses that the individual and these companies need that is the key statement and then retired thing right there. And i'm gonna let you answer this one first but let me finish it on the other hand. We always feel we need to do it as this is our step in and once we're in we can expand much more easily than even that is not always true as it turns out different departments in the same company of different procedures. And so on. Some question is do you have experience with. This is their way around it for small businesses like ours. Were thinking of preparing our own document that answers the main questions find relevant and offering that to them instead. We're not sure if that would work. Any thoughts are helpful. You get the first crack at this one. Yeah we see it all of a sudden super super common thing. And i think you're right like the key thing is here. Yeah this this is inevitable. If you're going to sell to large enterprises inevitable like in some cases is because they have their own internal policies that they might be. I mean they might be doing certain things that are promising to the public markets. That they that they have to be able to do in terms of compliance or following some legal requirements the on a national or supranational level. Like there's a bunch of reasons why these guys will never say like. Oh you're a small company. That's totally find a worry about it. So i think that that's sort of the start of this. The second piece is like okay. How do you get around it. I think one thing like this certainly once. You have seen a bunch of these. There's an option to have your own like this answers. Most of the questions. Most of the time type thing and and hope that that works but honestly like what we're seeing with tiny seat is most of the time is that they need some sort of a certification and like it's just a lot of the time particularly if you're pricing right and selling the right size plan to these businesses which is the key thing then. It's probably worth doing something. Like assoc- to certification or something like that where you can be like. Because if you're certified for these kinds of things link assoc- to is probably the ones we see most often then in some cases they're like oh that's okay. We don't need questionnaire then if you've sort of check the box because a lot of the time on the enterprise side is like are they. Oh so and so's certified ece to certified if not answer this giant list of questions in many cases. It's easier just to well. Just get certified in the cost. Because on this i think is the key thing you're alluding to. If you're gonna jump through the hoops of answering one hundred and fifty questions and things why would you even offer to sell an individual plan or something like most of these people like. They don't care like if they're having you jump through the hoops of doing this kind of security assessment. Then prices immaterial them for all intents and purposes if you at the end of that salam something. That's twenty nine dollars a month or seventy nine dollars a month. Then you're probably leaving a couple thousand dollars a month on the table for no reason whatsoever. That was going to be. My kicker is if you're going to do this. Minimum annual contract value twenty five grand opening so that's just becomes what it is and maybe that's not hard but maybe eighteen grand or twenty grand or something but it's it has to be worth your time period and the offer of we'll do this and we'll buy licenses and then you'll be in the company nope sorry can't do it. Cabinet without a minimum contract value of x amount and again somewhere between twenty and forty grand. Probably where i would put that and you're right. The soc to is the silver bullet for this. The struggle is thirty grand up front. I believe it's very expensive. Yeah i mean like what he's saying in terms of the sizes business and the growth has like. I think it'll be worth it for him. I mean i think he's a pricing thing. Like i'm guessing you haven't got your enterprise philippe you don't have your enterprise pricing right. That's why you're concerned about this. Like you're either selling the wrong kind of plan or you don't have an enterprise plan that captures the that you're providing to these businesses and once you solve that you'll be like okay. We'll do we'll see too. I mean that could be the only difference like literally could be like maybe the large enterprise the fortune five hundred whatever are perfectly able to get by with constraints of your like mid price plan or whatever but if they need this security has spent or they need single sign on or they need some other custom contracts. Redlining your terms of service or something. That's what kick them in. And the enterprise plan and now it's twenty times more expensive and that sounds insane to the most particularly mostly developer type entrepreneurs but it really. Isn't there used to it. They're just like oh yeah. Sure like this is obviously like we. We just need this and it doesn't matter to us whether it costs forty nine dollars a month or five hundred dollars a month. It's immaterial but it's obviously not immaterial to you like you said. It doesn't make sense from just a pure logic perspective but that doesn't matter that's how it is like we see this over and over and this is some of the some of the most common advice that we give and some of the most common mistakes. We see with new companies. Well i mean th in micro confident people who in here and then in the tiny patches is the pricing is too low. You know especially on the enterprise so a couple of other suggestions. Felipe is episode. Four hundred sixty three of this ferry show. I sat down with david. Heller of and we spent the whole episode troubleshooting enterprise sales. That's the name of that episode. And part of that was this question of these security handouts and we had similar conversation but it was basically a build your own hand out to be like. Hey this answers. most years. He developed a lot of templates or template answers shortcut things that he could use to fill in because the questions are common but they're not all identical. You know you can't have a whole dock. Answers them all but you can probably get eighty percent of the way there with just putting a bunch of stuff and we're pulling from there and then of course the weight as in our said the real way around it is to get this sock to assoc- to it's just expensive and then you have annual maintenance and overhead of all the stuff you know you have these documents and procedures and such and so if you're not there yet then yeah you just gotta struggle through and make it worth your while in the meantime. So thanks for the question philippe. I think we have time for one more today. From alon he says hello first of all really love the podcast and everything you do. Keep it up. I'm a full time employee at a software company. I'm in a senior role. And i've been here for over five years. I've come up with a sass product idea. After finding a problem in my company's engineering process. I've started creating a product to mitigate this problem. It solves a problem in general suffer. Development isn't related to my company's product. It's not competitive with them. I'd love to use this product. My current company but to help you manage the technical issues and to help validate and grow. The idea. should have any concerns with what i'm doing. Can my company claimed as its own. What should i do now to protect myself. Any other things that should consider. Does it make sense to validate a new site us lady at a company while working fulltime at said company. Thanks for everything who knows. Maybe i'll be tiny batch. Three this was sent last october. So get your breasts over. But maybe about four applications open for that in july. The question alon adar aside from look at your employment agreement as the number one piece of advice because it it's in writing. This is number one piece of advice. Yeah i mean it started like reading this. He's like yeah. It's it's finding probably my company's engineering process immediately that to me is like big red flag started. Creating a product solves the problem. So it's not related to my company's product okay. Well yeah but there's all these things around. Did you do their time. Did you use their laptop when you were working on this. I think it's it does depend way where you actually. You are both which state in the us which country and depending on you know how the laws are there but yeah i would be concerned about this because it like you says it's not related to my company product. But he did come up with it because of a problem that he founded work. And so it's like. I mean like you'd almost need like like a letter from the employers saying that. Hey this we're fine with this like we don't wanna claim the ip likes. I can imagine like if this did come to us and and applied you know we would be concerned with the ip that exist. I think with the existing company being like this is r.i.p. Doesn't have the right to spend it out. What do you think. Yeah i would certainly look at the employment agreement. I think trying to use it. I think building something to solve a problem at your current company without having pretty explicit permission by that i mean something in writing is not a good recipe just building something on the side to solve other problems outside of your company. That's different right because it's so much more clean cut. You can look at your ip agreement in your employment agreement and you can go to hr or the ceo or your boss or you know whatever the structure is basically you disclose. That's what you do right. You say. I'm working on a side project. It's not competitive. This is the name of it and you usually have to. They have a form that you fill out. And you say. I'm working on xyz project. And i want to retain ownership. And i'm not using company hardware and i'm not doing it during work hours and some companies now have a policy that i've heard and i don't know how enforceable it is in which states but some companies have a policy that like anything you build even in your off hours on your own stuff. They own and to me. That's that's bull but whatever that's overreaching but you know it's legally enforceable then that's a tough position that you find yourself in so definitely look at what you've signed and then consider your options. I knew two people once. We were dripping. Lepage's merged and i knew people who started side projects that were. They didn't neither of them reported to me but they went to. Hr and basically got explicit permission. Because they didn't want the ip issue you know. They didn't want to ever be question if they want to raise funds or sell or whatever and you you need to have clean and so the the thing that does concern me as this build it and manage the technical issue at my own company. That really feels. It's really gray. And i don't like gray when it comes to the law. I don't like gray when grayer is when it comes to ip. No because it's like well. It's the utility tool that you built and used at work. It's like well. Don't you think your work would value it. I mean i would think so. Thanks for the question. Alana hope that was helpful if you have a question for the show email questions at started for the rest of us dot com best if you attach an audio file go straight to the top of the stack. Otherwise at this point. It looks like we have about twelve or fourteen questions in the backlog and we'll get to those again soon as possible in our full set. You are on twitter e. a. r. b. o. l. l. sat. 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NPR News: 05-13-2019 2AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora raum. Secretary of state Mike Pompeo goes to Russia this week with a lot on his plate NPR's. Michelle Kellerman reports the US has looking for a path forward on disputes over Ukraine Venezuela and many other areas Tuesday, he'll be in so cheetah to see Russian president Ladimir, Putin and foreign minister Sergei Lavrov as State Department official briefing reporters on the drip says Russia has taken a series of aggressive and destabilizing actions, and this is a chance to raise concerns and see if there's a path forward the official says Pompeo will talk about Iran, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela as well as a quote new era of arms control after the US announced. It's pulling out of the nineteen eighty-seven intermediate range nuclear forces treaty. Michelle Kellerman, NPR news, Washington. The prime minister of Hungary is to visit the White House Monday. Victor orbin has made cracking down on immigration a major ish. Hugh, he calls migrants invaders and had a border fence Bill to keep them out of Hungary. Police in sunny isles Beach, Florida are investigating a shooting near one of President Trump's resorts Miami Dade police detective Elvira Zabaleta says it appears the shooting start at just outside the Trump International beach resort. But some of those hit by gunfire were across the street during the initial chaos where the shots were fired in this one female was struck in the upper extremity, another male was killed inside the car across the street. There was a five year old little boy that was grazed by a bullet which treated by fire rescue on the scene in released. The president was not at the resort at the time. The Miami Herald reports the shooting may have been due to an argument outside a car rental place voters, go to the polls in the Philippines, Monday to fill some eighteen thousand congressional and local positions. There are twelve seats. Open in the twenty four member. Senate NPR's Julie McCarthy. Theo is on the scene. We're here at one of the busiest polling stations in the city, and there's a lot at stake in this election it seen as a referendum on president duties, I three years in office, his unorthodox style his embrace of China, his bloody drug war, but here in tonal ravaged by the drug war great deal of killing here. Nonetheless, the voter seemed to be giving do taste candidates the thumbs up. He doesn't joy a seventy percent plus approval rating in this country and the most consequential racist for the Senate if his candidates win the Senate falls into his camp and years of independence fall away. Julie McCarthy NPR news Manila in Sri Lanka. The government has temporarily blocking some social media, including Facebook and WhatsApp officials say they believe militants are using these sites to plan attacks on Muslims to retaliate for the Easter Sunday bombings that killed more than two hundred fifty people. This is NPR news. Mississippi governor Phil Bryant has signed a state of emergency after severe storms in recent days. Several counties throughout the state are experiencing major floods that have closed state highways and roads to counties may have been hit by tornadoes Saturday Night Live veteran Keenan Thompson is getting his own show and the drama. This is us we'll air for three more seasons. Those are some of NBC's reveals for the upcoming twenty nine thousand nine twenty twenty TV season NPR's. Eric Duggan's reports. Keenan Thompson is the longest tenured performer on Saturday Night Live finishing his sixteenth season on the show. Now NBC is keeping him on SNL while making him a bigger part of their programming picking up for next TV season. The Keenan show a sitcom directed and executive produced by Chris rock, the network also announced a new fall drama starring NYPD blue alum Jimmy Smits as a lawyer bluff city law and perfect harmony a series about a small town church choir starring pitch. Perfects in a camp all the broadcast TV networks were revealed their new shows and returning programs this week for advertisers in New York City as part of a series of public presentations, call the up fronts. Eric Dagens NPR news at the movies, avengers. And gain came in first at the box office again this weekend the third weekend in a row it earned an estimated sixty three point one million dollars in North American theaters. Polka mind detective Pika chew was in second place at the box office this weekend, it collected an estimated fifty eight million dollars in ticket sales in its opening weekend. I'm Nora raum. NPR news in Washington support for NPR and the following message come from Dulles International Airport with the highest on time takeoff percentage of any airport on the east coast. I a d means I'm already departing more at fly dollars dot com slash fast.
Seth Meyers on Nurturing Talent
"Yeah. From the editorial team at Lincoln. I'm Jesse humble. And this is Hello Monday. A show where I investigate Howard changing the nature of work, and how that work is changing us, and this this is our very first episode. I've been writing about technology for nearly two decades I've been around long enough to remember when my space seemed like a bigger deal than Facebook. I once wrote a cover story for fortune and the title of the article was iphone versus blackberry because back then in two thousand and nine we really didn't know the answer yet. But here's the thing. The tech wasn't the most interesting part to me. It never has been what I've always cared about is its impact on people, and how we live and on how we work and man has worked changed. That's why I wanted to do this podcast because somehow we all need to figure out how to change along with it. So each week, I'll bring you interviews with people who've figured out something important about how to make a career work, and we'll also be doing reporting on each. Week's topic. That's with Caroline Fairchild. She manages the reporting team here at Lincoln, you'll hear from her more later in the episode. This week's guest is Seth Meyers I've been watching him perform since he debuted on Saturday Night Live in two thousand one and he just celebrated his fifth anniversary as the host of late night. I learned so much from talking to Seth things that apply to anyone who's ever tried to manage a business like south knows a ton about management. He has great thoughts on helping his writers have ambitions of their own. You know, he told me that he always tries to help them realize as ambitions and it pays off because then they give him their best work. He also talked about how he depends on that talent to help him source. New writers. We also talked about starting something new and making up new rules for it from scratch. He said he tried two hundred things before he figured out what worked on late night, and he talked about how long it took for people to stop knowing him as that guy from us and L. Here's my conversation with Seth. So you've lived this very public life senior on Instagram. They're totally cute. I love your parents whenever they come on the show. But I want to know what happens behind the scenes thing that we don't see. Okay. So what have you learned in those five years about how to keep talented people motivated, and how to help them wanna stick around will particularly with our writing staff, we want them to stick around. But we also want them to find a path to the next thing. They do we don't we come into this knowing just like when I was a writer at SNL. I didn't think that's what I would be doing forever. So you want them to have a good time here, and you want them to stay for long enough that you get value out of him. But you also want them to learn the tools here that they can take on to the next thing. So we're not upset when people leave to go to something that elevates their career. Well, and there's the sense in SNL and Annan late night south that it's like a big alumni network. And and we as your viewers, we all actually feel like we're kind of tacitly part of that eliminate network we cheer for you. When you go off and do your next projects. And then alumni network stretches way back like way before late night. Yes, I wanna. Talk about how you help it to stretch forward. Will you know, sometimes one of the ways you help it stretch forward as you just give opportunities people who didn't have one. And then you hope that they will pay it forward. Michelle wolf is an example of someone we hired who was a stand up comedian who had a background in finance, and we gave her first job in television, which led to her next job and television, which was the daily show, which led to her own television show and along the way she would reach back and say to us. Hey, I need someone who will be good to run my show, and we could suggest Christine Nangle who someone I met at SNL. So, yeah, you're constantly, you know, creating this sort of Rolodex of talent the longer you work in this business, and you try to be able to pull from that whenever you can now and asked him that you were doing that at SNL something that you learned at SNL. Yes. So how did it change when you transitioned from being part of the team that the the leader of the team in the writing room? Yeah. T- being the host. Of the show will I would always say that SNL Lorne Michaels got ninety nine percent of the vote and then the rest of us combined for the final one. So you couldn't really swing things one way or the other. If learned in wanted to go that way in I mean, the great gift of this show is that you got to choose everybody you wanted to work with and you got to sign off at everybody wanted to work with and so that way you can kinda lay in DNA, right? When you start, and I will say, it's one of the things I'm proudest about is. There's no one here that I'm upset to see there's no personality that I find gets in the way of us succeeding, and we just tried to lay that in very early and one of the things we tried to tell everybody is, hey, you know, bay while the whole time you're here. And then we will always speak well of you and people ask us all the time about the people who worked here. And are they good people in are they the Kyd not just talented because sometimes that's the first thing people can glean from your work. But are they good personality? Someone you want actually spend time with. Well, and I feel like we we actually had to see a lot of your writers on the show. And so it's really evident that you have a particularly diverse writer's room. We wanted to to have not just a. You know, diversity in so far as we wanted women and men, and and we wanted people from different backgrounds. We also wanted a diversity of styles. And that we wanted people from stand-up we wanted people who worked at the onion. We wanted people who are improvisers or sketch performers people who were just writers and never wanted to be in camera. And we'll take a swing at us. If we told them they had to be. You know, fewer every day. I gotta be honest. They all start warming up to the idea being in front of the camera. But you know, the interesting thing was we kind of when we started the show and again because I one of my favorite things about being on weekend. Update was sharing the desk with guests, you know, most famously with you know, Bill is defined. But that was always my favorite thing to do was just pay play straight man to really talented performers. And when we first started the show, we tried that a lot whereas our writers played characters, and it was a little jarring for the audience. I think because they'd last seen me introducing people that were exactly as well known as I was you know, it was Seth and Fred or Seth and and Cecil your seven K. Whereas this was Seth and someone had never seen before I was really heavy sledding. And the interesting thing the arc that took place over the five years was our writers kind of went away for a while. And then the way they came back is they would come on camera and be able to talk from point of view that I didn't have. So as opposed to being. A care sort of an actor in a sketch. They became individuals, and that has been a lot more useful to us than the previous. Well, it was a wonderful hilarious. But also, incredibly smart way to point out the things that you don't have you know, if I can sort of a sing the praises of of what you get from diverse writing staff is you know, we had an opening an amber Ruffin who was probably the writer who's on camera the most under show, she Amelie watching our door rule within an hour of finding out. We have no pinning and said, you have to hire my friend, Jenny Hegel, and, you know, Jenny then came on board and amber Jenny were the ones who came up with a bit jokes. F- can't tell which not only is the fun of it that I admit to the audience Caesar jobs. I can't tell but I never I personally never would have come up with that. As a sketch idea. You know, I don't approach comedy thing about the things. I can't do. I think about the things I can do. But it's really nice have people in the room. Who say, hey, we found a way to actually. Call out the other of it. And and so that was that you don't get on. That was just a gift that they brought to us that if you didn't have that voice perspective at your table. Yes. But it can also be tricky to have so many different perspectives. And so many different. I would assume senses of humor at times around. You're able as the leader of a group like that. How do you help people to work together? Well, you know, I will say that, you know, as a host, you it is still your taste. You know, even when somebody does something from perspective. It's not mine. We don't put on the air of. I can't see why. It's funny. You know, I, you know, an and so for me, and again, you know, because most of the time people a gamer jetty are there's they still are writing for my voice. And and I think they understand that as well like, and I think that's probably how they develop that other bit. Which is a we like writing for you. But also, we're coming up with these ideas that we realize. Would be bad. If you said them, but we also think they're good jokes. So, you know, there's not really a clash as far as people saying, this is funny. This is what I think is funny is what you're wrong about. What you think is funny? There's a lot of respect among the writing staff, and they all share one big office, which has also seems like a nightmare, but has turned out to be and it was out in the Cecil. It wasn't like we made the decision to put them all in one place. We just didn't. Well, that's the conference room every time they walk by. They probably think we could put three of here. But they you know, they they all like live on top of each other. And so there they've learned to be a good co workers and nice support for another. We are taking a quick break for a message from our sponsors. Today's show is brought to you by ritual ritual believes we all want to do the right thing to keep our bodies healthy in the long run. 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Backslash Hallo Monday back to my conversation with Seth Meyers. Did you think about pursuing say in acting career? Yeah. In the beginning. And then I was sort of I took the feedback of how they those jobs went to realize that that maybe wasn't what my drinks, even my father who's a huge fan of mine. He's said to me once after a one of the lesser films that appeared in he said, you know, some people some actors you forget, it's them when they're on the screen, but every time I see you. I just think that Seth. I don't think that's a compliment. And he said, oh, no. I don't think I meant it as a compliment. But I one of the great it's really one of the greatest gapes that I don't feel that urge to act anymore. You know, once I even at us and L which I loved when I consider myself when I started that show sketch comedian. But there was a reason I ended up behind a desk saying I'm Seth Meyers, you know, even the show figured out. Like, I think people like it when you're you and less when you're not five years ago, you walked into an institution that existed for a long time before you got here. You are just a the fourth host. Yes. How did you begin to think about preparing to walk into the shoes? The reality is I didn't think about it a lot. I kinda thought I think in the back of my head. I knew that the way we're going to figure out what this show is going to be was by doing it as opposed to thinking about it. And you know, looking back in those three weeks where we sat in this room. Right here is writing staff and came. With the things we wanted to try on this show. Nothing of the hundred ideas, we came up with his still exist as pieces in late night. But we only we had to figure that out by the doing on it. And so we had the luxury of being able to do the show and figure out what it was as opposed to having any grand plans going into it extremely helpful to hear his I record my first episode with you. Yeah. Having never made a podcast. Did you what do you think? He thought about it a lot before today. Do these cars tell you any. Well, you know, you wouldn't. I mean the first show. I did I we did have you know, I I knew things to ask the guests. I knew that much. You know, I thought I wanted it to be a good show. I just didn't have a roadmap to those aspirations. I didn't know what you know. In my mind. I should say the hardest press I ever did in my life was the three months of press before you have a show because you heart talking about this thing that is so. Don't even have a handle on it yet. It's it's an illusion. And see you say things like we're gonna talk to politicians and authors, and we're going to and then none of it. You know, we're gonna make fun of the news. And it just didn't feel like interesting press to do it so much more fun to talk about a show once it's actually thing. Right. Well, was there a moment? Do you remember specific moment early on where you felt like you hit flow, and you created something that was going to we are, you know, we did a lot of things in the first year and a half that I'm proud of that were I feel like, you know, give you a sense that you were making progress. But you know, it was their second August of doing the show it was a year and a half of doing it. And I remember sitting with Mike shoemaker and saying, hey, we should just start. Let's just try to start the show at the desk as opposed to doing a monologue. And I feel like we'll just be able to start faster and we'll go back to the style. Telling jokes that we told on update it'll be a revamp of the show that doesn't require new staff or having to bring everybody into Greek. Meaning and tell him what wasn't working, and it was no joke three jokes into the first time. I did that where I realized oh, this is the show. It's going to be this did I just feel a certain way. Yeah. It felt and it's interesting because I don't know if people in other lines of business worry about this the way that people in show business worry about it when I left SNL, and one of my fears was I shouldn't say fears. I wanted to show people. I could do another thing that I wasn't just the update guy. And so for a year and a half, I fought the idea of telling jokes at a desk, and then a year and a half in. I realized why am I not doing the thing? I trained for the thing I got better at why am I throwing away? All that learned skill for the purposes of showing people, I can do another thing, which I don't even necessarily know I can do. So I a friend of mine says. Said after I sat down and he said, oh, it's so I like it so much more. I feel so much more comfortable watching you bind a desk, and I said, oh, I'm more comfortable too. And he said, I don't actually care how comfortable you are. I just feel safer. So what was the muscle that you strengthened the most star? Like, the newest thing that you figured out. How to do you know, I think I got better at interviewing. I mean that was the farthest away from anything at Seville. You know, when you interview somebody weekend update, it's obviously scripted. And you're not surprised by anything. They say in trying to be a good listener and trying to you don't ask your next question based on the answer, you got and and being able to find segues when it's time to move onto a new topic. I feel like I got better at that. And then the other thing, you know, which was born out of the necessity of the political moment we're living in is. You just have to be so much faster. You have to react so much quicker than anything we ever had to do it now, which I would have thought oh, nothing news faster than acid, Al. But if you're basically. Trying to do a ten minute political piece every day in this day and age you can't get that far ahead of it. Because the news is changing so quickly that if you write something Monday for Wednesday, the reality is it will not have any value. Right. That makes sense your show evolved over the course of the last few years to embrace a political stance. Much more than you did at the beginning. So where did that come from? We didn't shy away from it at the sorry. I don't know. You know, I think that we in the start. There was a sense of otas the world need another show. That's talking about politics. You had the daily show, you Colbert report. It wasn't like I think there was a thirst for it. But the more we did it and every now, and then there would be something that happened in the news. We would write about we felt good doing it. You know, we felt like I have no way we were doing better. But it was maybe better than the other stuff we were doing. And so we just kinda committed to the idea of trying to improve on it. And then it became the thing that we just started getting feedback on. And you know, that's a big part. This as well. You know, you in the nicest shift for me happened two years in which is people we come up to me for the first two years during the show and say, I loved you on SNL and then finally two years in they would say, I love your show. But it took a full two years for people to move onto my present lovely it is as it is to be complimented on your past. It's a lot nicer to be complimented on your presents. It feels a certain way. Yes. And so the crazy thing to me is that this isn't even all of your present that you actually are doing number of different things you have your documentary now series is you've you've done a ton of different things. Why is that important to you documentary? Now is so different than anything. We're doing here. It is the longest tail you work a year on it before it comes out as opposed to working a morning on it and doing it that night everything here is lovingly disposable in that it's a bit like a newspaper, you know, by Wednesday. You're not gonna read Tuesday's New York times. And that's the way our show feels whereas doc. Commentary. Now, I feel like those episodes will endure for very long time. And we'll, you know, even when they endure for very long time. It will still be seen by less people. Then probably see our show tonight seven people are going to love it till they die, and that's the goal to do something like that is really a special. And then, you know, I also I still really like going out and doing standup, you know, it's a totally different experience. And you know, a skill. I worked a longtime to feel good at and I don't want to stop and let it, you know, atrophy. And and so I try to get out and do that too. But you also you encourage your writers to do that as well. Right. I mean, you right. Always working on all these other projects. Yeah. Again, one of the limitations of being a writer on the show is eighty percent of the words are going to be said by me. So maybe you just want to get out, and maybe you wanna raise sitcom and and cast it with different voices. Or maybe you want to be the host of something. And you know, that's why we're no way shape or form hoping people stay here forever. You know? I, you know, I'm stuck with me. But I can see as a writer you might want to try other things. The other reason we encourage it is, you know, we feel like, hey, if you can stay here and work here. But also, we give you this room, and we will happily help you, you know, pitch it if you wanna go try to sell show to a network, we'll go in the room with you. And and we will sort of, you know, sing your praises and talk about what a talent you are. And then you you can develop that show while you're still working here. You don't have to leave one job to go try to chase the next one. We, you know, there is the space here to let that happen. And we do feel like that makes the people who work here, happier to know that you know, this is not a cage it is. But the doors open, it seems like that is to bring us full circle that that is what good management looks like it's not even specific Hollywood that helping people realize bigger dreams means that you're gonna get more from them during the time there with you. I really hope that's true. And that is certainly is our philosophy. I can't imagine how you wouldn't resent us. If you felt like we were giving you a job. But it wasn't the one you dreamed of it. And it was also, you know, stopping you from from pursuing that. So we've definitely, you know, with the people who work here when they come to us and say, hey, got this great offer. Our all our reaction to that is always only cover so happy for you. We are taking a quick break. 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You don't look we thought at the last election. I don't think we'll come and surprise people. It was not the outcome. We expected, and so we have continued to write about politics the way we did during the campaign, which was again did not see going on with that said, you know, when this hopefully, not permanent political moment comes to an end. We are very excited of trying to figure out how the show will change because I think it will have to change on sesame, and that's really exciting to everyone here because I don't think we're alone and feeling a little bit of exhaustion share and not just as comedians as any human being who engages with the news on a day-to-day basis. I think the other. Challenges, you know, it's five years in and the show is exciting to do as it ever was for me, if not more exciting, and you just want to I don't know how you would do this job in the schedule. If you weren't excited to come into work every day. And so it's just trying to make sure that you still feel that a gauged. I mean, the other thing that's fun. Is you know, when writers leave we bring in. Well, you know, we tend to bring in people and give them their first job and television. So when someone leaves and they've been in a writer for five years on TV. And then you get somebody who's brand new and you realize, oh, this is fun to have somebody who's really excited to be in television, and who watch this show, and I work here and you try to feed off their youth like vampires. Tell me about you know, talking about the last person you hired we hired this girl named Karen she and Karen is fantastic. And I believe Karen might be twenty three years old, which is shockingly young. But she wrote for the Golden Globes. She wrote on the Golden Globes and Andy Sandberg had reached out to us because I'd hosted the previous year, and he was looking for people who come right? And so three of the writers on our staff, amber Jenny and alley hoard went out to the Globes. And while they were there, they met Karen and the came back, and and each one of them said, oh, you we have to hire. Karen? And it happened very quickly. But it was again that great thing of you just sort of have these ambassadors for the show, they go out, and and her sort of half, ambassadors half recruiters, and they come back and tell you the next thing you have to do, and they're the kind of people who work here, in know, who's going to be a fit, and so you know, we're like three weeks into the Karen chair. But so far so good. It's really fun. To finally, meet you this has been wonderful. And I just I love the show that you do. That was Myers, and I'm really struck by how he thinks about managing people and stay tuned after the credits for some hind the scenes from studios. Sufferings together this talented group of writers because they know that if they work for him he will hook them up, and that makes you so loyal, right? And so you stick around, and maybe even longer than you might have otherwise because you know, it will pay off for you. And as a manager if you're lucky enough to hire towns, people, you will get the most out of them by giving them everything you've got my helping them find their next thing. So this is what I asked Caroline who investigated this week take. Caroline, welcome to our first podcast. Hey, jesse. So your the Helo Monday reporter explain what that means here. I am the reporter for Hello Monday. Which is really just a fancy way of saying I want to talk to you our listeners you've just heard that interview with Seth. But the conversation hits on these bigger questions of management of leadership and every week I'll be talking to Lincoln members, and our listeners about the stories on the week's topic this week we heard from a member named Diane. She's a financial journalist to comment with a story about an old. Boss of hers. Here's my conversation with Diane. I think really what made bald Louis Sial was that he recognized what I needed that. I didn't recognize myself. Let's put it in a journalistic term. He drove me into the pit to do stories that I didn't think I was necessarily equipped to do any also understood that this was not going to be a long term proposition. So when I said that I wanted to go to Hong Kong, not only did Bob encourage me to go, you know, suggest that I could write some stories from there and even pay for Kennedy's lessons. I think he knew which I didn't know was that I probably wouldn't be coming back. So to have that level of faith in me in to invest in somebody who isn't there for the long term. I thought was incredibly farsighted, and as a result, you know, I've I've kept in touch pretty much over the whole course of my career. I've always felt grateful to him for the opportunities that I. Got and you feel like you stayed longer at McLean because he was there. So you could work with him. No, I didn't. In fact, I I actually feel very strongly that in in that task nerve your career sort of the early part of your career. It is good to around, and I hadn't necessarily recognized that I think in some ways Bob did. So I wasn't at for less than two and a half years and total. But this was the kind of place a lot of people came and had jobs for life. And the fact that falls actually, encourage me to go halfway across the planet, and just experiment. I ended up at the Wall Street Journal, I think was a testament to him because I think he understood the value of actually working at different places. So if anything having him as a boss publicly made me say less time at McLeans because he encouraged me to take risks. So does he I feel like what Diane shared? Is just a bit of what we hope to do with this show. Not everyone has hosted the late night show like Seth. But everyone has had experiences at work that we can all relate to exactly and you know, that's the point like we will have conversations with very interesting people. But the point of the conversation is to figure out what they have to tell us about the things that we should be doing at work, which brings me into next week's conversation 'cause Carolina. I am talking to Elizabeth Gilbert, you know, eat pray love Elizabeth Gilbert. Oh, I know who she is. I mean, I remember reading her book eat pray love. I was my late twenty s and I was on this narrow career path at the time, and it just sort of expanded my mind in terms of thinking like, oh, what was I get a new with my one precious life as it were. It sounds kind of cliche even saying it, but everybody had that reaction to it. I think and if you read her books, you kind of feel like, you know, her she talks to you like that. But there are things we don't know about her. And that's what we're going to talk about. If there are things that you. You our listeners want to hear from her please get in touch with us you can post on Lincoln using Pash tag. Hello Monday or Email us at Hello, Monday at Lincoln dot com. Heck Email us about anything. You want at Hella Monday at Lincoln dot com. Also Jesse and I won't be posting updates on linked in about upcoming episodes ideas that we're working on. And we want to hear from you. So follow us on Lincoln as well. I'm Caroline Fairchild. And I'm Jesse Hempel. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed listening. Subscribe and ready a son I tunes it helps new listeners find the show. Hello mondays. A production of Lincoln. So show is produced by lower sim with reporting by Caroline Fairchild. The show was mixed by Joe degeorge, Florencia Iriondo is head of editorial video Dave pond is our technical director. Kyle ranson Walsh. And James Mullen. Are Hello Mondays very godfathers the music. You've heard in this episode was by pachyderm, Dan, Roth is the editor in chief of Lincoln. We'll see. This week. How do you feel as a first podcast? Do you feel any regret of me being the first or any first podcast, you feel like I've been engaging in deeply? But in getting over it my biggest challenge right now with podcasting is trying not to sound like a sixth grade teacher when I'm reading the script. I'm reading loud in with enthusiasm in my wife is like it sounds like someone I know. But not you. I bet if your wife listen to this you'd say no that was definitely you again. I don't know the real you. I don't. But it seemed very natural to me my wife. I do a lot of this. I'm not saying this because I'm here. Let me finish the sentence. And then explain what I meant. I do a lot of charity events. So all right. So now, you all understand why I realized as I was getting closer there sounded like I was talk about what a wonderful person. But the reality is my wife, and I go to a lot of events, and I am asked to sometimes go up and do comedy at charity events, and obviously in New York. There's so many great ones and we love doing it. And I was going up to the last one in my wife's that don't yell, and I said what she goes you yell at these. Just don't yell you have a microphone, and it's so funny because my wife is a lawyer she is not adjacent to show business in any way shape performance. I walked up. I realize oh, I do yell idea. When I get into a ballroom. I forget I have a microphone and yell as though they all need to hear me. And so I guess at the end of the day what I'm saying is we should, you know, listen to our wives. I definitely agree on that one. And and I have another question the topic. So you also have to small babies, and you have a crazy schedule, and my wife just had a baby not so long ago. Thank you. I've been sick since that baby was born. How did you? How did you not get every cold and? Flu or at least not let us see it. While you were busy me on TV. I've been so sick for the second baby has made me sicker. I basically wake up every morning just hockey up phlegm it has been and just on and off for like six months. The only thing I will say is if you just have to be not sick for an hour a day, the adrenaline you get from an audience who is excited to see you that basically serves as a B twelve shot that gets you through it the only days at a really hard. And there are a couple in the winter where even on Twitter people said, oh, buddy. You got your voice shot. I I have lost my voice couple times. And that is those are the only ones that are impossible. But other than that, you know, I'm only ever missed. I've only missed one show for the birth of my first son and knock on wood. And the second they were both born on Sundays and the. Second one I was going to miss Monday as well. But the story was so good as he was born in the lobby of our apartment building that even my wife. I said, I think I gotta go tell the story and she correctly knowing she was the hero. The story said he were allowed to go. I only missed one day. That's pretty great. Yeah. And I do want you to think you will keep getting better at this. But ultimately, it'll be a little bit downhill from this. Keep that minimum that come on any that my heart of hearts.
Thankful - Saturday, Miller
"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. The Adam Schefter podcast is presented by ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. On this Schefter podcast. It's thanksgiving week. And we're gonna talk to a player which plenty to be thankful for bears in Zack Miller who spent eight days in a hospital last year after being hospitalized when he dislocated his knee and damaged artery in his left leg, and then we'll be joined by ESPN NFL researcher. Evan Kaplan to give us a preview of all the action head you weeks wealth in the NFL. But first we're going to be joined by the former cults all pro center, Jeff Saturday who spent his weekend in Indianapolis, where the culture inducting Reggie Wayne into the ring of honor at the same time. Reggie was celebrating his fortieth birthday party. I up in today's podcast, Geoff Saturday. So Jeff, thanks for being with us. I appreciate you just before we cranked this. Let me just tell your listeners. Yes. How tubby Chevy office of Lyman bakes it. On the Adam Schefter podcast. How does that happen? Jeff yield in shame one hundred percent were sitting in the green room a couple maybe a week ago or so I mean there were Tim Hasselback Ryan Clark. They're doing like the NFL live pre-production show. I'm getting ready for primetime always listen to their questions, and I mock their answers or potential answers giving the questions I love mocking and today's to make until makes shifty going back and forth. And then Ryan Clark says oh on schefters podcasts. Really a cat. Have you? Now big time. He's like absolutely probably a few times. And I was like some mazing that I haven't been invited on schefters podcast. I mean, he's got like seven million worldwide. Lizards no reason to help it off as help the skilled guy. He needs all the help their faces aren't plastered all over every commercial known to man, you know, what we'll stick the alarm and last, but at least I made, hey, Ma look on made it right here. I'm on the Schefter podcast right now. Guess what? Tim Hasselbeck never has been. Streak alive. No Hasselback, hassle free podcast. That's that's the idea. Right. Huber going now. Jeff you're in Indianapolis over the weekend. Yeah. It was a big celebration. Reggie Wayne was inducted into the culturing of honor a turned forty years old. What was that like being back with your former teammate? I'm sure a bunch of former man it was unbelievable. So Saturday night, we had it set up a nice dinner down in the basement of Saint elmo's one of our favorite spots there in Indy. And may and we were we were laughing telling stories it was, you know, Peyton myself. We Reggie obviously being there Edgerrin James. You had congressman Anthony Gonzalez was in attendance. Newly elected congressmen. We're in the house. Justin Snow Brand is token. There's a ton of guys man Gary bracket was there Robert Mathis came back. So it was it was the nucleus of guys all hanging out celebrating his fortieth birthday, man. And just here's the thing for I genuinely love those guys. I mean, they are my boys. You know what I mean? And to see Reggie going the ring of honor men, his family being there, his mom and pops, you know, mama lane and pobably just great people their family, you know, because you got to think that we were all growing up together. And they're watching me have my family with my wife, and there's other asking me all the questions, and we're talking about life sharing stories about where we are. Now what we're all doing? And it was emotional. It was a it was a great. We not a it was a great weekend being around those guys obviously him being inducted into the ring of honor is so well deserved. But it's so much more than that, man. Just the time and listen all the stories have now gotten even bigger. Tom Moore Bill Polian in there, and they're telling draft stories and bills taking credit for every guy in there. And Tom TOMS interrupt and telling stories about, you know, back in the day in the calls, and man, he's got it all going, and I'll keep telling everybody how sore my back is from carrying manning for all those years. And may we were having an absolute ball though. It was a ton of fun sheriff wasn't there the sheriff baiting. He led it, dude. He had it set up. You know peas he he's got it all set up. He's got the room set up the back. Elevators. He's got the 'paparazzi set up to make himself feel good at he's walking in. It's all set up. Perfect. Shefty listen, there's not a thing. You gotta do. I mean tickets to the game the next day. We're we're all going to be listening manning, MRs no detailed. He is all about that noise. And get it set up. All you gotta do is go in and enjoy the time, and we had an absolute blast, man. It was it was so much fun. Just getting together and enjoying it celebrating forty years old may we're all gained old that is that's that's a little bit daunting. We all sit in there. But but man, what a great what a great when you go back, and you see people that. Shared such a special time in your life. It means an awful lot. Yes, sir. Who is the one guy this week that you ran into that your conversation your encounter with that person stayed with you. Oh, man. Great. Great question. I say that because listen I didn't play football. But I covered the Broncos for sixteen years. So when I see that group of people that was a part of my life for sixteen years, and I run to them. I'm always surprised there's something that stays with me that that just lease a Mariana me. It's like, it's a soul take. So the more accentuated being that these guys your brothers. These are not my brothers. I covered them. I had a professional relationship with them. But I still feel a certain real connection to them. No. But yours is different. So who is the one guy ran into this weekend? It was a conversation. Add it was a moment that just Dave with you that it blew your mind. So so so we're playing some shuffleboard late night. Jeff little shuffleboard over at Manning's Manning's apartment late night. And I'm hanging out with Stokely Payton our and a team. So we're crushing everybody. We want seven we're killing everybody. So we're making fun everybody. But Ryan deem. You know, former right tackle force, man. He and I are sitting there just. Talking and Dallas Clark being there. And you douse lives in Iowa. Now and dean being in indie. So we don't we don't get to see each other. We talk via phone text. We're always on these group, text, but to sit down and have conversations about where they are in their life. What's going on with their kids and to walk out on Sunday and see their wives and their kids running around your little forty four jerseys and seventy one years, you know, you're you're seeing because my kids I had my kids while I was playing so they were in my locker room, you know, Jeffrey, my oldest son and Joshua my youngest, and even savannah will come hang out at work, but they didn't have that opportunity. They had kids later. And so me being able to see them on the field as the colts are warming up may touch me. You know, guys like Dylan Gandy, Josh Thomas played with you're seeing I watched all of them kind of grow. They came in after me. But just to the who the men they are in the marriages they have. That's the thing that you go back. It gets you tell it is it is deep in my soul. How much love I have for these people. And what a special time, and what a special set of circumstances main that we all went through together. It was incredible the passage of time too because you see the kids growing up and moving on in life and seeing what they're doing now. And I'm sure they watch you on NFL live and their glued to the TV to watch your poignant spot on analysts. They love they love to try to attack. If I'm wrong. I'm never going to hear to end up, you know, heaven forbid, I say something one week and they're like, oh, yeah. I heard you say this Saturday way to go. They tanked it since then or whatever they're always looking to knock me down man, always take a shot so much. So you colts came on Sunday. Yes. I want to say to you the cult's offensive line. Wolf is unbelievable to me because this team that was maligned and now the colts have gone five straight games. Yes, sir. Without allowing a sack, which is the longest sackless streak since Steve McNair when six straight games without a second two thousand six who would have thought this collection of Lyman this cults. Team would be the line that would go five straight games without surrendering sack. What is that line doing what does that offense doing? What is that team doing that? All of a sudden, Andrew luck cannot get touch during a game is unbelievable in Chris Ballard GM and Frank Reich. The head coach have done a phenomenal job at changing the culture in that locker room. And when I say that even in training camp, I went in and I watched them, and I talk to the offense of line Antarctica the team after practice, and I remember going in yesterday, and we walk in the locker room pre-game, and I told told Chris and Frank this feels like home this is the locker room that I'm used to when you walk in. There's an expectation. They're going to win games. There's an expectation that their offense and defensive lines are going to are going to run roughshod and give them a chance to win games. And I'm so proud of of the. Culture that has been created in such a short window. It's Ballard singing and Frank's first, but the culture that's being developed and the belief by these men that they're going to go somewhere. They may not be this year. You know, they may have some pieces they gotta fix, but I'm telling you there is a belief in this locker room amongst these guys did impact a football team not for just one season. But for a collection of seasons and not only did Andrew luck. Not get set. He didn't get touched yesterday against a line in a defense. Totally ret Tom Brady and the patriots the week before. I mean, they harass radio all over the field. They couldn't touch Andrew luck. And the throws it. He's making the timing that he's throwing on when his foot hits the ground. I could I could take cutouts of manning and that offense with Frank Reich years ago when we were playing and look yesterday when it's back foot is hitting the ground. He knows where the ball's going whether it's Hilton on a post whether it's a drag out whether it's a hitch on the silent what and the ball is. Coming out and the trust. He has between the receivers tied ends and backs of where they're supposed to be it looks like the offense that it should be and the timing, and the consistency that everybody's playing with it all starts with elephants of line. But everybody's bought into the philosophy of whoever's turn it is. They're going to get the play. And I'm telling you man, I told him yesterday. We've been texting this morning. I'm just so proud of the way that they're handling it and Q Nelson Quinton Nelson. They're they're pick their first round pick. He was six or eight. I can't remember whatever the number was this guy is ex. He is an animal. I mean, he is an absolute animal he lives like baby. Huey. And he's got this massive by little little biddy had beetle juice. You know, and he is a laying people out, but Smith from Auburn. Yeah. I think he was the second round pick in this kid is is playing ball, and they all are encouraging each other. You know, Ryan Kelly their center this is third year Li it's best football. He's playing and I was talking to him before the game. I'm healthy. I can binned can move. He got a little banged up yesterday. I'm good. Yeah. But but this kid is playing and everybody's game is being elevated because of q Nelson and what he's bringing to to that offense Nelson is the guy that is elevated that line. Absolutely. He is triggered and the the way that he the Tennessee he plays with the finish. There's a saying in football with offense of line. You know, you gotta have a little jerk. Inya I'm being nice. And my words of what it really should say. But there's gotta be some something in you got a little nastiness, right guys around the pile. You know, you're gonna give them a little nudge. A little knock you're gonna finish guys. You wanna put them in the dirt? You wanna do those things to show? I'm the man like you kind of have to have that as an offensive line. We when I was playing we were chippy group. We we wanted the action. We wanted to piss other guys off we want people to play angry against us. And we were never afraid of that noise. That's where this group is going, and it all starts. I'm telling you Nelson is about it. He is about playing ball. And he's about getting the guys around him to play to that level. And he's pushing everybody, but they've they've all bought in. I'm I'm telling you, I can see it. When you hear the conversation that group that they've come together they've unified man, and it's special to watch those guys come over to the former guys. And lean on you guys asking I talked talked to both a few of them actually thought to Costanza who actually played with before the game. But I mean, they know how to play it's just all share in kind of how you feel and house the body. How's it working? What's going? Well, what's not listen? These guys are pros, man. They they know the game. And but I love watching told each and everyone else. So proud of the way you're playing for all for all. That is I'm I'm a colts fan. You know? I don't care what anybody says he called me a home, you come whatever that's thirteen of best years of my life. Mount pulling for that team. No matter what. So I'm proud of how they're playing, and it was thirteen I believe it was one year in Green Bay one year in Green Bay so thirteen years with Peyton Manning one year down Rogers, how do you compare and contrast, and I'm sure I'm not the first person as those two quarterbacks. Couldn't couldn't be more different. You know from a personality perspective from the way, they play the games perspective. Peyton is type a all the way he is going to control every facet of the game. He wants to know where the ball's when he wants to know what everybody's thinking. You know, when we'd be running running tape watching blitz drills and all those kinds of things he's pointing a little the little laser on their. Hey, who's doing this and who's blocking this guy, and we go back and forth peppered each other with questions, and he'd always wanna to know the solution to every problem. He always wanted to fix it air, and is is very laid back many. He's very California. And all that implies right? He's like I'll roll here. I'll get out of this. If it's not quite perfect. I'll go make a play and extend drives but Payton he didn't rely on his athleticism nearly as much and I mean the arm not not the leg part. I mean the arm part. He he put the ball where it was supposed to be before receipt through guys open where air and will extend plays and he'll put a door on a guy. Once guy breaks open. He's got an arm. Like, none other. He can whip that thing. And he uses it legs. Much more extend plays and do those things. But it's it was always issue. Because people always ask me, they're they're both great in their own way. But they are nothing alike. I mean, they are not personality wise, man, it is it is it is to opposite ends of the spectrum you plug asked about that often. Right. Having played in Indianapolis in Green Bay. Yeah. People ask me how back from carrying both of them because you have carried him boats MVP awards, there's all kinds of collection of wars that have been passed out. I my name just had never been on any of. I'm not sure why. So how has your back from carrying payment and Roger very sore? I mean, those dues all the all the metal and the rings. They carry around thing about all that. I think is what five or six VP's in that group each by twenty or thirty pounds each you know, what I mean a lot of white to toting around around here. It's thanksgiving week. Yes, sir. A former member of the Colson Packers you've played an awful lot on thanksgiving. What is it like for a player to play on Thanksgiving Day? I loved it. I'm not gonna lie. It's a special unique chance. Very few people on this planet have the opportunity to do that. And. To me. Thanks is my favorite holiday, right everybody. Everybody's grateful. It's not about gifts. It's about legend. Yeah. Yeah. You're just you're in. Right. I mean, it's just Amlie flew. Let's let's do right. That's right. So everybody's in and your with your extended family. So you know, we were in Detroit up into different, and you're there, and you're having you're having pre-thanksgiving dinner, and you're talking about what you're grateful for and what you're passionate about. And how much you love love people in your family's in the stands. Just a special time, man. It was. It's not either results we were good. So we win we win big. But the offensive line got the iron award or whatever it was for dominating everybody that day, and I can remember sitting there and getting a Turkey leg and all the cool parts and look at it those five guys and thinking may look look what we did. I mean, it's there's something special and everybody in the country's watching it. Because like you said everybody's eating or eating and the TV's on and people are walking by and checking it out, and it is a it is a very special thing to do in the NFL top three. Jeff Saturday holidays is thanksgiving one thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is number one. Let me think Christmas has got to be too for me Christmas gotta be two and let me think of three kids birthdays. So those are those are for me, those those are the most fun because we we have a little family traditions that we do my wife wakes up and she's got ice cream form for breakfast. These special Belu's that are there, and it gets me every year, man. Like, you know, there's just that family tradition of what it's about. And that's those are my people, man. You know, we we I'm leaving the planet. Put him in the best position. We can we'll we'll roll together. I love a man. It's just so much fun. Those days those are the Muslim holidays. I give them those two you get ice cream on your birthday to for breakfast. Jeff net so much, you know, the hard issues and make sure we all stick around little chubby those I try to sneak it in but why should low. She's a little stricter on my diet, making sure she tells me, I want you to be around a longtime a longtime bad love you to kill for breakfast. Got a green shake. I'm like, what is what in the world. Hey, Jeff wanna thank you very much. Join us say this. I personally invited you booger McFarland. You know, he got invited by my producer Josh invited by me. So when you're invited by the king, and like, I said, you know, we're Hasselback free of that. That makes you appreciate it. Great time, brother. Thank you, Jeff. We'll be back in a moment with Zach Miller. But I listen up people we have a big favor to ask. And we promise it won't take up too much of your time. You know, our show supported by some fantastic sponsors, right? Well, we'd love to hear your feedback. Hate to podcast listeners dot com and fill out a short anonymous survey. That's it. We swear again, that's podcast listeners dot com. You know, let's not smart the way hiring used to be jump sites that overwhelming tons of wrong resumes. Now, there's a smarter way and ZipRecruiter dot com slash ASP. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology finds the right people for you. An actively invites them to apply. It's no one. Under. The ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US and right now, my listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash ASP. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash ASAP. Zac. What's up, buddy? We talked about doing this a year ago after your ninja reached out the point. And it's really nice to see you doing as well as you are these days, and I guess that would be where I would want to start. And why don't you tell everybody how you doing from your recovery from the devastating knee injury that you suffered last year New Orleans against the saints. Yeah. Long year ago L along year loan for you than me? I'll bet yes it was a challenging year. But I'm gonna good place right now, it's been a lot of a lot of support from family of friends in in our staff, and everybody involved has been helping me just a a lot of work. So I'm good now. Making strides. To improve kinda daily. That's my approach is answer every single challenge. I got every day, and hopefully, we get better and for those who don't know and are just tuning in right now. And I know that it was a high profile injury of such things can be high profile, but you're playing in New Orleans. You went down to the end zone on a play. You dislocated your knee you severed artery. Right. You rushed to the hospital in New Orleans University Medical Center there where doctors performed emergency vascular surgery to repair the damage Audrey in your left leg that came from the knee dislocation and your main all hospitalized for eight days in New Orleans before being transported back to Chicago. In a meta that jet when I say, all that goes through your mind. I was cringing. The go-to if you can see my face, especially. It takes him back to relive that moment and Beate. A lot of lot of emotions I think run through a person as you go through something like that. But. Thanks, everybody. That was there to take of me did a great job because we're up against time. And we got to got me where I needed to be. It'd be able to save my leg. Those dockers didn't unbelievable job in really oh them a lot to be able to to get me taking care of in a timely matter and be able to say my leg because that was that was okay. This issue was getting the arteries fixed. You know before your your body. Counted starts to deteriorate from lack of blood flow. But I go back to those days in Nagano pictures and things that we have just kinda rehash because the year anniversary just popped up a couple of weeks ago. So I've been through it. But to be where I man now and look back at what it was very thankful and grateful to be way. Is there a way to quantify? Exactly how close you came to losing your like. Only only what I've been told, you know, through my doctors, and it was within minutes. The amount of in game for me in the middle of game. Heart was racing. My blood flow is up. So when that artery severed, basically, my body's is dumping blood in my lower leg. And the the time that it took for you know, ambulance and everybody kind of where we're gonna go and get to the hospital is kind of cutting close. So we were worth in within minutes before they were trying to decide what they would have to do. But luckily, they were able to repair it and get it all fixed up today, you can run you can lift you can do anything that you want or you limited in any capacities act. I'm probably a little bit limited as far as the running wise. Now, I'm not out sprinting, but I can I can jog a little bit and move around to where I felt good because that was the goal of mine I wanted to read with a year. It's just a personal goal that I set so I had something to work towards through this thing. And I hit it in very happy to get there. But I don't really have many limitations in in the way room more running just as far as. What I can push the limit of pain. You know, where where I feel like this might be a little bit much too soon. But. We'll continue to get there. And hopefully, you know in the next couple of weeks, we you know, how to do but more and a little bit more and gonna push the envelope a little bit. You talked about making a goal to run within a year. What is the next goal for you? Is there another goal here that you striving toward you set these goals for yourself? Yeah. We're just a just kinda talk to you know, people who are of close to me and. We're based they said the same thing. What's next stolen? God. Gotta gotta sit down think about it. And see what the next one is. Obviously would get. I got it. As close to being back to normal as as a person. But as a player that's my goal. And I understand that they reality of if it can happen. There's just got a point where I gotta work to to get there and make that decision when the time comes and for those who don't know you're on the bears roster. They're carrying on the roster you go through meetings. You go to the city every day. You are regular part of the team this year. Yes. And that's something that if you look at cross league, it's it's pretty Ritter. I think in that situation. I can't say enough about that organization. Franchise. The metavsky family Ryan pace, even is. Because he comes in into coaching staff into except that accept me as as part of that. That transition has meant the world to me. So I can't think those guys enough for allowing me to be a part of this thing continue to work is it realistic and forgive me for not knowing this could you possibly play football and the NFL one day again it is. And it's just something that we've been very open and honest with my doctors and in the with Ryan and people just understanding that that still on the table. It has been told no vast. I said, listen if I'm at this point with how my knee is in my crazy to to give this ago. And it's it's no like, you're not you can if you can get to where you need to be absolute we can get take steps to see if that can happen understand that there's a possibility that my body doesn't allow me to give back to that to that point. But as of now, it's just work. So as I can to get there that when that day comes we make that decision all know that I gave everything at to make it happen. If it does we carry on and is not. You gotta call it a day. But we'll see when that when that point goes back. I'm singing right now, if you can make it back you automatically get my vote in every vote for comeback player of the year. Right, then and there I don't care if you never get your pass you make it back you clinch that award. That's my theory. That would be that'd be an honor. And you know, there's a lot of things that pushed me to to to make that move. But it's gotta be calculated. It has to be I think a fall through the season. And I know that when I'm when I'm at that point, I'll be comfortable either way. But the main thing is I gotta get ever the Dow to go there because I wanted to continue to play football anywhere else. Didn't league is going on my tenth year. So I wanted to play another couple of years and have that pop up when it did. I I don't wanna go out like that. And be I wanted to continue to play if I'm able to continue to play and get to that point where I can still I just want to go out there to be out there say, okay, I was able to come back and do it. I want to be able to produce a little bit. And be be part of a, you know, something that's worthwhile is as far as football. But we'll get there. We'll see. There are many sixth round draft picks at Nebraska Omaha who get paid here is in the NFL Zack. You know that right? Yeah. We've had a good run. I've had ups and downs out. The entire journey. But you know, that's that's what it's all about continue to work. To to go through the peaks and valleys, and you kind of stay steady course, it's gonna be proud of and hopefully continue to to make those make those steps in the right direction, and we'll see. And so we have thanksgiving this week. And I know it sounds close shade. And it's one of the reasons we wanted to get you on this week. But what do you have to be thankful for right now? Zac, when you think about something like that, what are you most thankful for in this thanksgiving week? I just say support, and I felt a lot of it out that last year just not only my immediate family because those people that have taken care of me, the most, you know, they've had to see and endorse and things that, you know, seem bad go through senior husband, go through your son. Your brother is that support systems immediately with me every day can't say enough about what what they have done for me. And what they've sacrificed and then my extended family as far as all our friends and fans in my my teammates. Everybody over that bears organization. It's helped me pick me up pushed me a little bit. That's what I'm most thankful for just the generosity. Love all the all the care that I got within the last year has been remarkable. And it's been it's been a worldwide thing that are bears fans from all over the place has been extremely helpful to me in pushing me in picking me up this hoping. So that's been my most thankful thing for this entire you. How is that done? Are they sending letters? Are. They mailing you. How do they get in touch with you? It's all over. That's the beautiful thing about social media, social, you can have this too. But I found that it's been able to connect me to a lot of people who care and know that they're still really good people in the world just to to send a message affect you. How much? How much you inspired me throughout this journey, and it's it's on a daily basis. And I I read a lot of them try to read every single one of them, and they continue to to really push me. You have an example of somebody who touched you with their message of support. Yeah. Specifically to young individuals through. He was a high school phone player in California suffered a similar injury to me and him. And I got put in contact and he actually lost his leg. He didn't get to the care that you know, he really needed within that within that timeframe so him, and I have had a, you know, developed a really good strong friendship and just another another young man was put in contact with a couple of weeks ago. So the same injury him, and I just kind of starting that that initial relationship where he's just got out of the hospital couple of days ago and to see those young men go do what they're going through in handle it the way they are really inspires me. And it kind of goes full circle. So those two guys that I've Kevin. Came to know about and developed a relationship with and what's been your message to them sack. Used to stay positive. I think that's the. That's what's kind of helped me get through this this hoping, and it's really just a conscious effort to see the good in this in that sounds funny. Seek good in dislocation union. Severing your artery not show. See what what kind of good? Can you find that? In the good that I found is I've had a choice to focus on all the positive things that have happened all the people that have russe out all the people that I find that who support me in on a daily basis will sacrifice many things to help my life be better. So I think just if you can remain positive, and you can really focus on seeing the good in any situation. It's just also the better. That's me. That's awesome. Yeah. A lot of people point for. I know that before we let you go Zach I do one s about the bears. You you've got an up close view of everything that is unfolded in Chicago as they head into Thanksgiving Day with a seven three record to play. The Detroit Lions. What is impressed? You most about this bears team this season. A lot. And I think it starts from the top. I think from the day the coach now you kinda stepped in and took over. I've been thoroughly impressed and express too many times just how handles everything. On a daily basis his interaction with us. He's just he's he's got his. So what put together it's impressive to see. 'cause he's genuine about. He really is a good son person be around, and then you feel the football part into it. And it's just it's really special to see you kinda see how he's turned things a little bit. And it's just it's impressive to watch. Now, you add the pieces that Ryan and his staff is put together, and you kind of you start to see the product. They were they were putting out there. Seven three guys are having a lot of fun. You can you can tell swagger that that we have the tunnel with. So it's fun to watch. I get a different view because kind of step back and actually when you're in you're playing you don't you don't get the vantage point that I have right now to to really watch them and see how they move and how they operate. So I guess specialty in the house. It's pretty fun to watch met Nagy's raising four boys on his well, his wife, of course. But he's got boys ages ten to fourteen so he's got four boys at home. And then he's got fifty three more boys there in the probably used, you know, one thing probably helps the other. I think being around all the boys. He's raised over Tom on football teams. The young men has helped him with the young men that he's raising. Now, do you think there'll be any correlation there? I'm certain that there is and I know they just had a a luncheon the other day that he invited the wives and the families of the organization to come. And he spoke at. I can tell you that he had. In fact, his my wife came home and had a list of notes of how he's raising his kids. And and how he impacted them in intern. How the impacts us. So. I'll tell you from firsthand. He's doing things right. He's he's a good, man. And he is a excellent football coach. He's totally gets it. Last thing. I'll ask you before let you go. And I thank you very much time. You get a chance to watch Alex Smith's injury. And would you reach out to a guy like that? To offer words of encouragement to him. Yes. I did sit that's fortunate and. Live in it. Going back and seeing happen to somebody else. And in something of that nature, you feel terrible for and of course, I I would offer any amount of advice that he would ever need so willing to reach out to him. And he's gotta get through that that initial that grieving phase out say 'cause you go through some traumatic like that. I'm sure he'll he'll don's back to that's something. He's showing a visual. I know that just for from watching his career in the resiliency that he has. So I'm sure we'll get fixed up he'll up and do everything you can to get back to to bend himself. He's keep making progress. Keep working your way back to the NFL keep maintaining that great attitude that you have great perspective yet everybody point for you. And I wish you and your family a very happy thanksgiving. I appreciate you. But I wish you say we'll be back in a moment having cap, but I wanna tell you about vivid seats, you know, me best for delivering news from around the league. Speaking of recently received a tip. Vivid seats is offering ESPN fans. Ten percent of football tickets, but you have to act fast head to vivid seats dot com and enter promo code ESPN, a checkout to receive ten percent off your first order. Did it seats is the official ticket partner of ESPN and with their hundred percent buyer guarantee. There's no reason to MISA game this year. Don't wait. This offer ends soon, so vivid seats dot com. Get off the couch and get into the action your team needs you cap hit. Or what you again, we're joined by the great ESPN NFL researcher. Evan Kaplan as we get ready to head into week twelve we are really at a critical juncture here Evan. I remember Bill parsoes always used to say at the real teams begin to separate themselves after thanksgiving. So here we are in thanksgiving week and one team that is separated self so far is the New Orleans Saints outta we put what they've done so far into perspective. The offense is keeps rolling in New Orleans. And the saints of now scored at least forty points in six games this season that's already tied for the most in any single season by team in NFL history. While they've got at least forty five points in three straight games. They could become the first team all time with forty five and four straight against the falcons thanksgiving night. Remember they scored forty three against the falcons in Atlanta earlier this season. So you look at that offense. And it seems tough to slow down the defenses complimenting on the other side of the ball saints. And one and rolling right now they lost their opener. They haven't lost since. I don't know. How anybody's is slow them down. I mean, they look right now like an unstoppable force, and we'll see what happens Thursday night. But I don't think anybody's beating them in the dome. No, no, absolutely not. I mean that is hard to imagine that they could lose a game at home. Look and you consider the game they lost. They scored forty points in the game against the buccaneers and week one. And as you project ahead to the playoffs. They are five no in the Superdome in the postseason in the breeze pate narrow so as as we're thinking about homefield advantage about the NFC playoffs. Like, you said it's going to be tougher team to go in there and win in January. And here's the difference that you pointed out they scored forty and that opening the bucks right now, the defense is playing a different level. And the people are in that team said over the summer that this is different defense. The defense is better than the offense. If you believe that during training camp, right? And that defense now which was in my fancy lineup lasted. And I might add is really coming to play and a unit. I think that is really impressive for absolutely all right. We also have some other divisional matchups on Thanksgiving Day. What stands out about them? Evan a three games all on thanksgiving. All divisional matchups that'll tie two thousand fourteen from the most divisional games we've seen on thanksgiving. The bears in the lines kick it off and you look at this bears defense. Well, we talk about a lot of the other NFC teams with their offense. But the bears defense continues to get it done enter week twelve leading the NFL and takeaways leading the NFL and defensive touchdowns and the most interesting part is that the defense and the offense they really are working in concert with each other the bears have ninety seven points off turnovers this season. So even when the defense is not scoring touchdowns. The offense is using those short fields and and scoring themselves. So you look at the bears these teams played twelve days ago bears one in Chicago now. Head to Detroit on thanksgiving. And then we have the Cowboys and Redskins anything stand out to you about that match. Yeah. You look at obviously the the devastating injured. Alex Smith Cole McCoy will step in and interestingly enough Colt McCoy's last win as a starting quarterback came in Dallas back in two thousand fourteen now he'll be there on thanksgiving a division that has certainly gotten more interesting with the eagles struggles and the Cowboys not wanting to straight and on Monday the Redskins sign Mark Sanchez to backup call McCoy. And the game in Dallas against his former Cowboys team right, by the way, come six years to the day of the Buffum. So we've got call McCoy going back to the spot of him winning his last game. With Mark Sanchez playing six years to the day of the butt fumble. If that wasn't time. I don't know. What does thanksgiving there how he loved these like that? And when it's all tied together like that NFC east matchup. We'll see what happened and we brought the saints and what they did to the eagles on Sunday eagles right now. As defending Super Bowl champion are struggling. It would be notable in and of itself. Eagles hadn't won the SuperBowl. That they did have we ever seen a Super Bowl champion defending Super Bowl champ struggle like this the next season. Well, you look at that loss in week eleven now is the that was the largest loss by defending Super Bowl champion. And then you look at since nineteen ninety when the NFL went to a twelve team playoff format. The eagles are only the fifth defending Super Bowl champion to have a losing record through ten game. So it's not common. I mean, you think back to nineteen ninety it's about twenty seven twenty eight years and the eagles are only the fifth the last before Philadelphia was the two thousand thirteen ravens. None of those. Previous four recovered from that ten game start to make the playoffs so division still up for grabs with. The NFC east, but historic laws against the eagles in that sense. All right. Let's look ahead a little bit here. We had Jeff Saturday on earlier he talked about the colts offense of line, which is really been incredible. When you look the fact that the unit has gone five straight games without allowing a sec. What has impressed? You numbers wise about what the cults have done so far. Well, you look at offense of line play and NFL next gen stats with the chips and the shoulder pads. We're able to determine how long the colts offensive line is holding their blocks for so there there's a pass rush metric we'd come up with. And we can see that the colts are holding their blocks for at least two and a half seconds about the average time to pass sixty six percent of the time in their last five games. That's the highest in the NFL since week six a quarterback, Andrew luck that all he was was sacked earlier in his career. He's the first quarterback since he line manning to go five straight games without a sack that was back in twenty ten for manning and luck. Look he's getting time. And he's putting up if you go back even more than those five games seven straight games with three touchdown passes. That's the third longest single season streak in NFL history. The previous the only two longest reeks Peyton Manning Tom Brady, they won the MVP that year. Look there are some great performances in the NFL this season. You can add Angela to the list of a guy who will start to get at least MVP votes and consideration as we get towards the center the way as point at least the conversation on Angela shifted to MVP whereas earlier in the year, we were wondering if you get throw the football downfield on that hail Mary Woodhead to put your Kobe. And and people were wondering about his shoulder straight. So I think that if you throw three touchdown passes in seven straight games fishy. Coun t y Hilton. Yeah, he he he looks great. And and they've won four in a row, and they are right in the thick of the AFC wild card race. And maybe the divisional rice new number now a team that they lost to earlier this year. Close day was the New England Patriots. Who are coming off a bye. They are expected to get back. Rob gronkowski this week. Barring an unforeseen setbacks, what stands out to you. Evan about Tom Brady and the patriots being back after a by. Well, patriots third divisional game this season. And we taught before their last game about his dominance against the bills. He now has twenty nine wins against the bills in his career. Most by any quarterback Kansas single team with a win in weeks against the jets. He will tie Brett Farr for the second. Most by one quarterback against the team far beat the lines. Twenty six times Brady is looking for his twenty sixth win against the jets. And we talked about last time. They patriots coming off a loss against the titans going into their by. But the patriots have been really second half team over the last two years. They are fourteen to. Yeah. After the bye in the previous two years both times reaching the Super Bowl. So the the patriots panic always seems to happen after. Every lost. It really does. But sees over right, right? How many to an end? But, but certainly I think they'll be fun. And that is exactly what Bill Parcells talked about. How the good teams ramp it up and the patriots have ramped it up about as well as anybody in the league overtime. All right. What about the big games for the NFC playoff picture? What are we have there this week and Evan Seahawks? Panthers and Packers. Vikings four teams that are in wild card contention right now both all in in second place or worse in their division. And let's start with with Seahawks Panthers. You look at Russell Wilson. Cam Newton two quarterbacks who have by far the most rushing yards at the position since Wilson season two thousand twelve but but you look at their numbers this year and they're evolving little bit Wilson averaging career lows in rush attempts for game that Seahawks running backs have contributed more than they have. And maybe the previous few years combined. And then you'll get Cam Newton with north Turner. He's completing a career high sixty eight percent. Of his passes by short throws staying in the pocket. So you look at obviously, they both still have the running threat. But they're they're evolving little bit in in the way, they're playing quarterback and have both teams again in the wild card hunt. And then he's talking about Vikings Packers. And these are two teams that we thought would be contending for the NFC north crowd at the beginning of the season, and they still might but the bears at seven three entering week twelve first place in that division. And this is an interesting one that I was talking to Adam our old friend Joey Roberts about last night today. I I was we were talking last night during the game and Kirk cousins when he gets down in games, he has not shown the ability to come back. So at any point in a game when he's trailing by seven points, not tend not fourteen only seven points by single touchdown. He is to eighteen and two in those games in the last three seasons Kirk cousins or is that on the Washington Redskins administrative. I think it's both. I think it's both. So we we always get a little wary about applying wind'll. Loss records to a quarterback. But look he probably deserves some of the the blame. If you wanna say, look, but the team does as well. So look the Vikings when they've gotten down this year foreign one in those situations. So I think he goes all the way around it's unfair as you said to put it all on cousin. But luckily, if the Packers get up early has not been a good recipe for the Vikings this season. Well, I think that goes to show you that again, I think the best way of just summarizing that is Kirk cousins fair or not a struggle to lead his team to victory when his team has fallen behind. That is a fact so is a and he needs to turn that around. If the Vikings are going to catch the bears who've done an unbelievable job jumping out to the start. They have at seven three and first place in the NFC north Evans should be another great week in the NFL. Appreciate joining us today. Thanks, happy thanksgiving to you. And so a special thank you to Evan Kaplan for providing all that great insight again as he previewed week twelve in the NFL we lateness season. Special. Thanks to Zach Miller who's making tremendous comeback from that devastating injury. And keeping a remarkable attitude and perspective about it and also to our friend and colleague here. DSP and Jeff Saturday was doing a great job for NFL. Live was a great centre for the Colton provided us with some great entertainment from his weekend in Indianapolis. And thank you, the listener the tuning into another podcast happy thanksgiving to you and your families, and please join us again next week for the latest edition of the Adam Schefter podcasts. Thanks for listening. Everybody.
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Saturday morning to you. Dorian Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. We got something big talk about happening tomorrow. We got NBA trades. We got one ABI trades. We got no interest to the wannabe trader. There's a lot to get to. There's a whole lot to get to we start discussing this. When the Super Bowl is over. And the celebration comes to an end. What are the biggest stories you want to focus on next because you got to prepare yourself for life without football for a little while. Now, it's just gonna happen. You have to draft and all that good stuff, and you still be around football. But no more games. We'll get into that. But the biggest story male. There's only one real clear lead here. Springs, come early my man because this morning in a little place called gablers Naba, tiny hill, just outside punks, Sitadi, Pennsylvania. Punks attorney Phil did not see his shadow. Hooray spring is coming early. Yeah. So I thought that was that was pretty big news there. I was good news. Really good news because we're ready. Well, we've got basically it looks like the ice age out here when can island bay is frozen eastern based frozen solid a million, hyper island. Yeah. Brutally cold snow yesterday. It's been ridiculously cold a historically called. But if you look at what we're dealing with with spring coming up, you said, no more football. We do have the alliance of American football. That's what what was I thinking. I'm so mad. I missed that. You miss that average incompetent. Starting quarterback. Rick her. Yeah. It's Spurrier back at everything going with the alliance American football, yet spring names coming up you got this whole Kyle Murray decision will he become an a Oakland. As there's a lot of news. Lots of news watch a little of the alliance. You can watch literally alliance. All you watch the beginning because you're curious, and you know, what I gotta get back to watching film prospects. Right. And you do too 'cause you're doing three as well as they wanted to. So me film as well pal. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You're right. You're right, actually, right. All right here. We are. No more time on that right now. We'll get into all that. But we got there from the Super Bowl. Over the last few days with anything you've seen thought watched read heard. From wherever you leaned a week and a half ago are you leaning anywhere different now. No. 'cause I leaned the same way in August. I leaned in New England. And that you say that doesn't matter to you anymore. It doesn't. But what are you gonna do change? Now when it's a pick em game. That's what I would do a half. Yeah. You would because you'd figure I got it both ways covered, then you know, had it right in August. I got a wrong here. Go with the one. I had right? But I think the whole thing that's interesting to me in this game is New England and what they're trying to do historically. And how Bella chicken Brady will be viewed? If they end up winning this game. They will end up right now, they're five and three it'll be six three. And if you look back he'll by curious about how they got the six and three. But if you do look back after winning their first three Super Bowls since that time they've been two and three and both those wins could've been losses. One atlanta. One two against Seattle could have very easily been losses, then it'd be it would have been looking at, you know, five straight losses. They will be three and five right now. So it'd be a wholly the whole different ballgame. But they pulled out some games. They won some games may the shouldn't have won Lawson as maybe you say they could have variously. The giant games could have been patriot wins very easily. Could've won their first five and then won seven in a row before last year. So it's crazy how close these Super Bowls have been with New England getting the five and three I just contend. And you could tell me if I'm wrong I contend that at five and four if they lose this game. This theory will be looking at Bella chicken Bray differently. They will at six and three because Montana four knows in there, some other factors. So I think this is big for the legacy of Belichick Brady if they win this ball game. He gets a six three in terms of Super Bowl six and three is better than five and four. But my goodness. Like if people are if they're gonna lose this game be five and four in Super Bowls. They've been to nine Super Bowls. I absolutely ridiculous. Fact, I don't know how anybody can look at this in any negative light. Frankly, by the way to your point every one of their eight previous Super Bowls together has been decided by eight points or fewer that's wild to me, by the way, never Dame. You every game. Could either way everybody knows games here either way, especially probably five of those eight that definitely could have gone either waking argue that Dari. But I do think like you say a lot of people there's always haters, and it seems like Bella chick and Brady especially Brady has haters because they don't like successful people. And I don't know how you can't admire and respect with Brady's. I don't get that. Unless you just hate the patriots say when you hate you lose credibility. Anyway, what you say means nothing. So for Brady to be a late sixth round pick that nobody wanted the forty Niners. Great evaluate always say, how did you or your throat Jimmy Clausen up at me? Bill Walsh loved GIO, Vanek car. Mazi Giovanni core. Mazi went ahead of Tom Brady at a hostile in the third round Brady was a sixth round pick. What they took a corner from Virginia in the sixth round before him. So the player advanced to the level. He has best player of all time. Best quarterback of all time. Most people would agree on that. If they don't I'm looking at but have him still be viewed as somebody. I've heard somebody even this week's over rated. How can you say Brady's overrated, but some still do? So I don't know what he needs to do. But I do think winning this game kind of define his career. And and I think maybe silence. The critics and the doubters say five and four Montana was four and I like perfection by than five and four I'm with Dr I'm all about Brady. I'd rather get the nine Super Bowls and lose four of them. They get the four and win for Brady's one five the kids take the five wins away from them. So regardless of how these Super Bowl goes. And maybe next year the your after goes because Braves playing. Right toys, forty five. Yeah. You would think. Right. Well, I we know this. He's playing tilles. What forty two here he is with Jeff Darlington on whether this would be his last game or not is there any chance that this is your last game zero this year. I don't wanna just sit zero. Yeah, there's zero I've said that for a long time I feel like a lot and I feel like I repeat the same answer. But nobody wants to believe my coaches in the AFC east trying to tell you are you sure this is not the. I know I just you know, I set a goal for myself at forty five and like I said before it's very hard to make it that far. I know how hard it was this year, you know, and the commitment it takes. And hopefully, I've learned from some of the things that happened this year to be better next year. But every year is tough little forget this Sunday ESPN Portes. Tomorrow's your home for Super Bowl fifty three in Spanish, we'll Brady and Bella check win their six Super Bowl together will Jared Goff Todd Gurley and company bring the Lombardi to Los Angeles at Super Bowl fifty three. This Sunday in Spanish on ESPN, poor taste and also available on CBS coverage starts at six o'clock eastern time. What would it mean? What would it mean to bring a Super Bowl championship to Los Angeles? Here is in Dhamma consume. I think it would be huge just being able to see all the sports teams that are there and also opportunity just be a part of that first and foremost, I'm this team has worked hard. We've had. I'm sure a lot of doubters people kind of coin in this as a dream team and and whatnot. But I truthfully looked at the situation as our front office in our coaches, push all the chips to the table and said, we're not trying to wait for the loud one moment or a year or two away. We wanna go out and try and win the Super Bowl this year. And we just gotta go out there as as a team players in execute in. We've gotten ourselves to the Bom we need to go take care of business. Yeah. Bell? And you think about that Los Angeles area looking for its first Super Bowl championship team. The dodgers have multiple titles. The angels, obviously, have a title the kings have to the ducks have won the Lakers. Have a billion the clip. You know what I mean? So there's plenty of them. The they would love to you know, they would love to a lot of people thought the chargers might have a chance, but I was wrong on that deal. But no, it'd be big deal. Be great. Yeah. I think it's for either one of these these organizations, but for the Rams is I said last week. I think you do go in free and easy. You got a mulligan? You really shouldn't have been here. But you are. And I think that the the nerves the build up shouldn't bother the Rams story because of that I wouldn't think so no looses goose, right? I mean, they were you know, in all for all intents and purposes not supposed to be here. They were not supposed to be here. And here they are. We'll get back into this. Jeff Saturday, by the way, gonna join us on Saturday that would be today twenty minutes or so from now the get his. Super Bowl eve thoughts wonder if his mind has changed from anything. He's seen heard read any of that over the last couple of weeks, but coming up the Lakers are trying. The pelicans may not think they are. The latest offer. As woke explains it to us, and y frankly AD is no closer to being a Laker. Then he was a few days ago and reaction to the Mavericks and Knicks blockbuster from Thursday, we'll dive into the National Basketball Association as well. Dorian mill ESPN radio ESPN app took -nology truth brought to you by Tyco. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor, what's rats Janet's? Fangs did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh and Sint, wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Here we go again mailman. Musical theme in the show here. We got a musical theme going on. So some wonderland or your body is a wonderland. You don't even know enough about its Dave Matthews band. I know that it's not Dave Matthews being this is not Dave Matthews men. Now, it's John Mayer. Oh, it is John Mayer here right now. Nichols start on the music. Why are we really a wonderland? I'm a little concerned about your mind in the gutter a musical theme of the day here. Mike, you see Dorian male ESPN radio ESPN app. NBA by the way on ESPN radio. Make sure you're tuning tonight Lakers going on the road to take on. Kevin Durant and warriors. You made me say his name. Did you do that? It's presented by indeed coverage begins eight eastern on most of your ESPN radio stations. Katie going to be a free agent. We would expect right at the end of the in the summer. Yes. You're Nick, perhaps what about Kyrie Irving, perhaps New York knick? There were chance in the garden. We want kyri. We'll see what they're able to do. We know this though, they made a big trade on Thursday to clear some space that the assumption. Kristaps Porzingis Tim Hardaway junior Courtney Lee, Trey Burke to the Mavericks for Dennis Smith junior. De'andre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and two first round picks 2021 pick and unprotected one and the twenty twenty three eight top ten protected pick a space clearing move. That's the assumption here. So they can make a run at Katie. And Kyrie what do you think? Mel they got a shot at either or both of those guys you would think. Yeah. At the high first round pick had Durant one other player Tyree. Maybe who knows and all of a sudden Nick surro- viable entity Luke ago, you get another cornerstone piece in Dallas with Porzingis. If he can stay healthy, we know that gifted offensive player. No doubt about that. But can he be on a court enough to make this something that works for Dallas? We'll see on that. We don't know. Nobody can predict the health of a player moving forward. Yeah. You can't base it on. What's happened up till? Now because sometimes that doesn't matter so they're rolling dice. They can stay healthy. Give Luca another guy. The other big time player big time authencity weapon. How good I think. I think the big things Anthony Davis. I don't know. I don't know how this is gonna play out. But you've got to believe he's a Laker at some point. If it gets to the summer Boston as a better shot because they have more assets. But if you're the Lakers, do you give up Ingram coups, MMA ball and Q first round picks to get Anthony Davis. Do you do that right now? Do I do that Luca? You said Kuzina ball Ingram and two. I that's the problem here. This is the latest this is the latest offer. And this is so coups MMA, Lonzo ball, Rondo, Michael Beasley and one first round. And New Orleans has not even counter offered. This is clearly a joke to them. Here is whoa, explaining why this is frankly nonstarter your starting point in in these kinds of talk. Fox especially for a player of Anthony Davis. His stature would be you know, most of your good young players and multiple first round picks. And the pelicans haven't got an offer yet. I'm told that includes more than one first round pick or salary cap relief, which means an offer to take on, you know, some some contracts you might not want, you know, any comparison Kristaps Porzingis. You know, you know, they were able to get two first round picks in New York from Dallas. They don't have an offer for two first round picks for Anthony Davis yet. So they're not they're not frankly, close this is an island of this. Because New Orleans is not just they're gonna play hardball. And they should I mean, he's the biggest asset they've ever had as a franchise. They're not going to the playoffs. Now, they're not frankly close to going to the playoffs. So why not just sit on this a little bit? You have to do anything this. This trade deadline of you know, want to. So now sit on this and make the Lakers come with some real there. They're in no rush here right now on the shooting now. No 'cause Boston has an opportunity this summer to give them maybe an offer. That's better. If I'm the Lakers, and I asked you this question because that's what it's going to take. It's gonna take ball who has been a disappointment Ingram coups Ma and two first round picks. Is that is that something if you're the Lakers, you should be willing to give up for player the caliber of Anthony Davis? I would think you would be willing. Then you have LeBron. You gotta Anthony Davis at another piece. Okay. Well, sudden you're there. That's the thing though. Like you've got LeBron you've got Anthony Davis. You've got to believe you're going to be in a situation where they are. And you're not you may not have a ton of money. And it depends on how much you wanna go into that that luxury tax, but you're going to have to find the player, you know, like, I think back to like Ray Allen, right? You think back to a player who laid in the career might wanna have a shot you go play in front of the bright lights and the big city in LA La Land and me part of a LeBron AD. And let's see what happens type thing. Challenge. The warriors. If what we expect to happen starts to happen with them starting to break up. All of a sudden now you've got a shot in the west other teams have a shot in the west. Yeah. I mean, you've got to think that there would be guys that are willing to do that. So let's say you got LeBron. You got a D kouzmines gone. Ingram's gone. Looking at Casey PISA ten point a game guy and contain you're adding adding that you're going to have to at right? You still going to put five guys on the floor. This is my is my point too. So that you know. You know land Stevenson Helen's he going to be around. I want to ask the other contractors without Anthony day. If they don't make this trait in Boston or somebody else would are the Lakers without Anthony Davis moving forward. Well, there there are team that's going to try to make significant place for guys still. I mean, you know, but Davis is a special guy. Okay. So when you talk about Davis says the same agent, I believe there's a lot of special guys. He's unique special position. He plays. You're not gonna. So if you put what you rather have. That's what I meant. Would you rather had Davis with LeBron then try to find that other piece or not make the deal for Davis and stay with what you have? And try to add a piece other than day was I think Davis with LeBron above that both had Rich Paul or agent, right? Yes. You would think it's going to get worked out. If it gets the summer Boston becomes a major player because they have the ability to make that deal and make maybe a better deal. But if I'm the Lakers team Davis with LeBron knowing you can. That other piece. It's not like what are you giving up? The two first round picks ball at doesn't mean much. So coups in Ingram would factor in. But you gotta give a lot to get some a player of this caliber. So again, if I'm the Lakers, I'll probably making that deal. Yeah. I thought that that's the live. Are you guys you'd five guys you've got two big timers find another one you'd eat three? It's been proven three's enough. Okay. It is you're right. You're right aimlessly with another one, especially if the warriors are breaking up to some degree breaking up. Right. I mean, you lose Durant alone. That's essentially starting to break up. That's the Keaton. So here's what they've got on on the books passed this year because Casey peas not on the books anymore after this year. You got Lonzo on the books. He'd be have to be part of a deal. Ingram's on the books, you'd think he'd have to be part of the deal. Right. Stevenson's off the books B's. Beasley would be an expiring deal here. You got mauve honor coups mo- would be part of the deal. You would imagine Josh heart's on the books. Yes, they're going. Elsewhere to find pieces to go around. Clearly, they have to go. Elsewhere to find pieces to get around that. Okay. Anyhow, Jeff Saturday coming up next. Oh, by the way, we're always presented by progressive insurance. All guests including Saturday coming up. Join us in the shell Pennzoil performance line. His last day Super Bowl thoughts ahead. What are you got here for music mailman? I'm deferring to you. I Don it's country. I don't at bro. Got no shot. L dean that'd be. I haven't heard that one. No. What's it called? Mike kind of partying yet. You got it. All right. So as part of the musical theme here with the Phil Collins, always you can always go with Phil Collins his birthday was this week, by the way turns sixty eight now, you know. All right. No idea what the musical theme is at this point Dora. Mel ESPN radio ESPN app reminding you to get triple action protection for optimal engine performance of the shell v power nitro plus premium gasoline, crystal leaky gonna come up he's going to give us his Super Bowl picks the bear. So I know you want to listen to that Scott spreads. You're gonna join us a little later. A we've not mentioned who's coming on ten thirty eastern time an hour from now Maria menounos, she's here in movies and TV and sin WWE now doing all kinds of big time patriots fan too. So she's going to join us just for fun. Who's also joining us for fun. Jeff Saturday's hanging out with us right now on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Jeff Atmel this and he said, no, no change over the last week and a half, or so, you know, as you've thought more about the patriots Rams matchup has anything kind of hit ya. That's made you start to kind of change your lean at all. No, I've pretty much stay true to what I thought. After after the championship games. You know, a few interesting things, I would say, you know, when you think about the patriots defensive backfield in the Rams offense of wide receiving corps. You think that only has New England, you know, seeing cooks and those kind of what he does. But even woods with more both being in buffalo like you just wonder from candidacy perspective how much those guys know each other. And will that play a factor? I'll wait love you inside knowledge always helps from a player perspective. So you know, like what does that really do? So I think those two things I kind of looked at and and, you know, look at if being interesting things that may may play a little role that we don't really talk about much, you know, potentially show up. Come Sunday Brady is not been sacked in the postseason right now. The patriots second in rushing yards in the postseason and Jeff as a former offensive lineman. I want. Issue because you can speak about this better than anybody. Dante scar Nekia we hear his name a lot the offense of line coach for the New England Patriots longtime coach there what he means. This patriot teen what he's meant to Brady. And and where he will be ranked in terms of offense of line coaches historically in the National Football League, Dante scar neck and what he has meant to the patriots. Jeff, listen got got to be one of the top of all time. I mean e- easily one of the top of all time if not the best when you talked about what his production has been I'll tell you. I just did a breakdown on sports center. I think it was seven forty five or something about the patriots. Oh line at what's made them effective. And what's incredible is the diversity of play calling that they can use and how they're run game in the coordination of it all has been just spectacular. And and what does that look like so they can they can run power plays where they have a tight in full back in the game, and they can lead. And why does that call so many teams problems because you're not both know teams run? So. Much bread stuff that they're not gap gap sound anymore in eight-man style football. We're gonna lineup and come down hill. So he puts you in that. And then they can spread you out and they can bring gronkowski and motion. You get into China man coverage and they have the screen game. So it's all the diverse is they bring to the run game. And then the techniques and fundamentals this car Nekia coaches with our second to none hat placement. Leverage leverage of the play where the insertion of all is going to go all of those things show up week after week when you turn the tape on. And there is there are example. After example of a guy, you know, on the walk in touchdown last week against Kansas City, Marcus cannon pins three guys inside because Sorenson is inserting the role on gap. That's a heads up play by all -fensive tackle, that's coaching. I mean, that's not as that is. Hey, man, if you get to this point and somebody's inside wash the whole thing down. I love that style of football. And that's honestly. My opinion, the greatest thing I'm gonna look at tomorrow is what does that match up with Aaron Donald sue rockers and Fowler. What does that group up front of that front five? How's that going to manage? I think it's going to be an awesome. Awesome game Jeff Saturday with us and Mel ESPN radio. There is this this thought out there that I I don't agree with. But a lot of people seem to then if the patriots lose and they're suddenly five and four in the nine Super Bowls that Brady and Belichick have been that that is kind of a black Mark on their legacy as a guy who played in some of the biggest games against the patriots over the last ten to fifteen years. Jeff, what would a loss in your mind mean to the patriots and what they've accomplished? Hey, doesn't change anything in my opinion. I mean, this is this is the dynasty of my generation. And obviously he's obviously I played against him beat him some loss to himself. But what the consistency? They have. Had over these years over seventeen eighteen years, nine triples. I mean, five and four what whatever it does. It does not change for me. Whether they're six and three or five and four the quality to be able to do this in the salary cap era is just absolutely incredible within what the names that you go through. I mean, heck man, I look at back when I played I feel like it's a bunch of hall of famers on their defense who hasn't been inducted yet, you know, with the tile laws, you know, in the same all these guys who played Richard Seymour. Then you got ta award. It's like I can go through name after name and whoever it is. They just inserted and kept winning. That is a spectacular feet and those two guys obviously being the nucleus with Bela. Check Brady, it does not change. How much how much are what my opinion of them is which is the dynasty that. They are right now. Jeff when Tom Brady came out of college. He was a late sixth round pick for a reason is way at soft body. He ran a five to four forty. Slowest forty time of any quarterback. I had ever written up worst vertical jump of any quarterback. I ever written up going into the draft yet here he is going to be forty two in August Jeff still playing as well. As argue they've ever has how he would have been the last guy you would have predicted when he came at of college, but that vertical and that body and that forty could have been here at forty one forty two still playing at this level. What has allowed that to happen in my opinion? It speaks to the most valuable asset in the NFL. Is that bustle between the ears? You know, we do all kinds of Megara bowls of body of arm link of speed like you said, you know, we do all these things, but we very rarely get to get to the point where the guys who maybe aren't as talented athletically. Well, they've been that way their whole career. They've had to fight through the ups and downs. The it's been forged in difficulty. Right. Like what he went through even at Michigan. Then he comes out, and he's not a guy who's ingratiated with a hey, you're going to start now play. Now, you're going to have to earn this thing in any. When the injury happened to Bledsoe he jumps in. I think there's something to say for all of that. Like when I when I look at even my own career and guys I played with the guys who the guys who have have always checked every box. Whether it's five star. However, we rating is now from from high school to college on up when they needed versity. You don't always know what you're going to get as opposed to guys who have fought through and been towards through some difficulties and I'm telling him in that guy has pushed himself trained himself and will themselves to be to be the quarterback. He is today. I got Turner respect for the way he's going about it. Now, he also was matched up with the greatest coach probably in the in the NFL history. So you know, there's a there's a little luck involved on that side as well. Have they both complimented each other? So well, you don't always find that that perfect situation. So there's been some fortunate involved as well. But man, they they've made the most of it Jeff Saturday with us. Jeff, great stuff, man, we apprec. She it it look forward to hearing more from you over the next day and a half or so leading into the Super Bowl. Thanks so much carpet village. I have a great day. Thanks, Jeff you as well. So there you go. I like what he's like how many great games conference title game divisional playoff game did Jeff Saturday play against Tom Brady and company. It's those great colts. Patriots was what you go back. Ten twelve years that was that was the best in became a rivalry frankly in the NFL because they played in massive games year after year. It's and I think from just an analytical standpoint evaluation to chip Dari if you can have a guy as opposed to the guys who are praised in praised from high school through college and gronkowski was a second round pick Eshelman was a former quarterback late round pick. You think about the guys James white not a high pick Rex Burkhead? Okay. Go to all the guys that are key contributors to this football team that had come had to come in the NFL and earn it and like rock was big question was durability. That's why he was the second round pick. After the back injury. So it is you talks about I think we all have to look at the sometimes the get a kid who had earn. It had a chip wasn't talked about as the guaranteed guy as opposed to the guys who come in with all the physical and athletic skills. And haven't had as Jeff said had at any point in their career until they get to the NFL had never had to deal with any versity. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I love Saturday. He does a great job. Sean, he came North Carolina. Jeff had a flight to be what he wasn't NFL. Nobody had a high grade on him coming out. So I just speaks to that. And and the common thread and a lot of these guys look at the guys look at look at the guy. Ryan Clark, look at the guys up the Tedy Bruschi not a lot of the guys that are doing the analytical work at ESPN weren't guys that were coming out is guaranteed. Big time players or thought to be guaranteed superstars and the NFL yet. They were because of that issue that the Jeff talked about that little chip and that work ethic. So it is something I think we take for granted. And we kind of lose sight after I so it's good for him say that again when I'm in the process now looking all his tape and evaluating all these players. No question about it. You'll see guys a little bit differently now. And Mel ESPN radio straight ahead. Chris fully Stanford. Stephen the bear podcast his Super Bowl takes. We'll see by the way, what prop bets he might want. Some eighty percent of Super Bowl vets are prop bets. That's what's got sprites are has told us. He's going to join us as welcoming up eleven fifteen eastern. Maria menounos, you know, or from TV movies. She'll join us coming up in the next hour as well as mel's big board of running backs all of that ahead Philippa though, he's next are in Mel good to have you with us on a Saturday morning on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Mike, you see you say, I would not know their song. Not sure I don't know if you would know this one I love Fiona, apple go, brother. Fianna apple criminal continuing our musical theme here. So we've got John Maher wonderland. Jason aldean's, Mike kind of party Fiona apple criminal. There are a lot of people that are going to think this last song. Is a shot at the patriots. No. It's just describing Mikey Saturday night. There you go. There you go. Okay. Well done well done Dorian Mel ESPN radio. Good to have you with us. I have no guesses right now wonderland, Mike party and criminal any idea here a mailman on the music kidding me. You're all over the place. Maybe the bear knows. He's all over the place. Maybe the Baroness crystal lake in the bear joining us right now. So Feliks, we do this this musical theme. We just gotta started this in the last couple of weeks and the songs today, so far I've been the your body is a wonderland from John Mayer, Mike kind of party from Jason L dean, and then they've really thrown us off with criminal from Fiona. Apple you have any idea what the theme is here that they're they're trying to get at. You're just as good as I have. I have no idea. I I three south Florida. So out of touch with music these days your apples, like the only one of the three that actually probably will be able to recognize. Yeah. Yeah. Well, see here's the problem with Mike and Mike and and Patrick up there in Bristol in the control room is that they think it's funny sometimes to accumulate a whole list of music and try to make us think about it. And then in the end not actually have a theme which is. Lazy? It sounds like it's a possibility here. Yes. It was. Absolutely despicable with songs we had previously played and son of man. Yeah. It was ridiculous. This is legit. Okay. Good. Good to know. Okay. So here you go how much attention to you pay and how much do you play the prop bets in Super Bowl week? I think the profits are pro garner. So much more action than than than the game itself was because people out in Vegas and people people of the prompts attract a bunch of different people, the people who wanna bet ten bucks on they'll be safety in the game Bonker twenty when when it bucks for ten dollars. If you bet a little a lot, and that's what it's like the Prosser refund. You get all much different cross board prompts, and it makes a lot of sense. I actually the guys are west gate to unbelievable job with the. The props in their thirty somewhat pages. I circled a few in there that I like let's go to the best bets though, Chris the best bats we haven't over under on his game with fifty six fifty six and a half line right now two and a half most places a few twos out there. So a couple twos. Where are the best bet from crystal Eka for this Cogan? I like the Rams I mean, I guess if you may as well, just take the plus two and a half just to be safe is opposed to the game falls on patriots wander patriots to and we ought to just take the money line. You try to regret yourself doing that? And not just taking the up the points. But I think the Rams on the right side of the game. I think that defensive line is is really good. It's been a really weird dynamic with the patriots of the area in the year. Nobody every. People bet the patriots all year long. And then no one wanted a piece of them late in the year. What's at dolphins off game? And everyone loved the chargers. A me. Guilty is charged didn't wanna play them on their home field. And then most people like cheese. If if they cannot about size probably would've won that game. But I I don't know I in this spot. I think the lands I think girly is healthy down. I think lamb's running game is been the way to attack. The if you go back to that ticket per game with the the patriots early this year. It was really the dealer who already game that really really helped them win that game. And I think the Rams are equipped to do it here. So I do like the Rams, plus the point of view on fool around in the money line. And the other thing is despite how great the patriots have been just run with pretty check. All their games have been one school games. So I guess I look I'm not I never I rarely ever which just tease me game. Because it is a reason they call it teaser. But I mean, what what what would be so terrible about taking the keys in the Rams up to eight and a half. And maybe keep total down to fifty and a half it may and taking the ticket Rams at over fifty and half certainly think we can get to twenty seven twenty four or something about that area. So you like crystal lake and you like the Rams and the two and a half. That's when you feel good about your you'll play that. Okay. Got you. All right. We mentioned the thirty something pages of props. Give me your favorite two or three that you really like, I I think my favorite property is will Stephen dot Cousy. First kickoff touchback and the no is minus one fifty out west gate. If you look at guy Gus Cousy he's one of the has one of the lowest touchdown. Touch back percentages in the in the NFL take sixty four percent, and then forty percents, I'm sorry. And I if you go back to the playoffs, I know that that outdoor games, but only three was fourteen kickoffs have been Dutch backs. But, you know, Bill all chicken, the patriots are in strategy and gay plan, and especially quill Patterson on the other side, you know, east gonna wanna bring the ball out. So I I think Caskey's kicked I kick off to be touchback. No is a is a pretty good. Pretty good bet. All right. So there would be your biggest prop bet. All right bear. Good stuff, buddy. Thank you much. Good luck to you. Enjoy the game. In what please let me know what your students for the for the day. Now, they'll I'm curious down here making breakfast, Beckett about what's possibly Kenny line bear. I'll tell you. That's not fair. That's not fair. All right. Yeah. It's fair. Life's not fair. That's right point where exactly right. Ed, Chris before we let you go Gus cow ski as the prop is not a best bet that would be more of an opinion. That would be that would be a best bet. Yeah. Yet you want to throw you could certainly throw that in there also cuss Caskey best bet that the first kickoff. The first kickoff Gostkowski will not be a touchback corrector. Okay. I love these. I came keep I can't even keep up with these things. This is so fun. Good stuff. Brother. Thank you guys already. So he likes the Rams in two and a half. He likes the Rams attuned again, according to Spicer's note earlier that he sent us eighty percent roughly eighty percent of bets are prop bets. That's wild to me. That's wild. But you know, you only get that in this game for the most part and has a best Brett on a prop when he comes. Yes. So he's got a obviously the play of the game. And he's also as a prop that he likes which is a little bit different than than Chris. Both actually both are different the pickling the game. He's got a different problem with Chris as which is a million. You're not gonna hit on the same prop, obviously. But they both feel a prop is a best bet this week. So there you go. That's Spicer comes up in the eleven o'clock hour coming up though, as we remind you that ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance drivers switched to progressive could save an average of six hundred sixty eight dollars. And we're always also our guest on the shell Pennzoil performance line. When the Super Bowl ins, what become the three biggest sports stories, you're gonna follow. That's our hot list. It's next ESPN radio technology truth brought to you by. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor, what's rats Janet's? Fangs did she lose up that? With a weed whacker? Sint wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
Bill Hader On 'Barry'
"This message comes from NPR sponsor Comcast. Comcast values your time. That's why you can schedule to our appointment windows including nights and weekends. That way, you can spend more time doing what you love Comcast working to make things simple easy and awesome. From WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air. Today, Bill Hader, star of HBO's, dark comedy series, berry, which he co created with Alec Berg when they were brainstorming ideas for the show. I just said, well, what if I was a hitman, and he went little, the idea for the character ev- all into a marine veteran, turned hitman, who starts taking acting classes where he's encouraged to reveal his emotional truths by digging into his past a past. He can't really reveal hater one an acting EMMY for the first season before berry, hater was a cast member on Saturday Night Live, but performing live on the show gave him intense anxiety, heart palpitations. Sweating. We'd get dizzy got to the point. Right. Became completely convinced that either a piece of equipment was gonna fall on me or that someone was going to storm the stage, Bill. Hader coming up on fresh air. Support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation, supporting WHYY's fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation. My guest Bill Hader became famous as a performer and writer on Saturday Night, Live for his original characters like Stefan, and his impressions of people like Vincent Price now hater stars in the HBO series berry, which he co created co writes, any serves as one of the directors seasons. One and two are available on demand and the show has been renewed for third last year after season one hater when the EMMY for best lead actor in a comedy series. Hater plays bury the marine who suffered from depression and PTSD ever since returning from Afghanistan. After feeling useless back home. He became a hitman doing what he knew. He was good at shooting people. One hit. He's assigned is in L A where his job is to kill a young man, who's having an affair with the wife of the crime, boss. As berry pursues his target, who's a personal trainer and acting student, Barry, sits in on the acting class ends up doing a scene, and thinks maybe he can transform his life by becoming an actor in this scene from season one Barry asked the acting teacher Jean casino, if he can join the class casino is played by Henry Winkler, who also won an EMMY last year for his performance in berry was Christner was wondering, I'm. Do you think I was good enough to be in your class? No, barry. I don't what you did was dog. I mean really, really awful dumb acting. I call it. Do you know why? Because acting is truth. And I saw no truth. So here's my advice to you. You go back to whatever nook of the world you call home, and you do whatever it is. You're good, because this is not it. You wanna know what I'm good at. Good killing people. Yeah. When I got back from Afghanistan I. It was really depressed leaving my house for months and friend of my dad's. He's like alchemy. He he helped me out, and he gave me a purpose. He told me that when I was getting at over there could be useful here. And. It's a job. You know, the money's good. And these people, I take out like they're, they're bad people. Lately? I've, I'm not sleeping and. At the press. Feelings back, you know. Like, I, I know there's more to me and that. Maybe. It is not. It is on. Anyway, forget it. What's that from? What are you telling me that was an improvisation? Interesting. Stories nonsense, but there's something to work with my class is not cheap. Well, it's not problem you pay cash you painted dance. I can do that next class tomorrow. Two pm. He still on time. Absolutely. What's your last name again? Block. Very block, you paying advance. Yeah. No, I know g name Cousteau now. I look forward to this journey. Bill hader. Welcome back to fresh air. I love this. Is that clip? Kind of summarizes part of what the first season was about Barry knowing that he's a good hitman, but truly wanting a different life, and he has trouble speaking, the truth on stage, but when he speaks it off stage like he did in that scene. People don't always believe him because seem, so preposterous. And that's kind of constant thing in this series, when people like act, the truth, people don't necessarily want to hear it when they act, the more, you know stage version of the truth. That's a distortion of the truth people like give them accolades. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I always find that's true, especially. In art in general, it's the kind of harsh reality of, of something, you know, I think he could kind of cynical way. Well, it doesn't really sell, and things like that, which may be true. But I think also what we in the writer's room when we talked about it was, you know, Alec Berg, who co created the show with me, we realize that people just don't like hearing about it. You know, people like nice story. It's a bummer. It's a bummer. Yeah. We that was the thing we kept saying, oh, that was a bummer that was like it was a real bummer. And so, yeah, a lot of times the, you know, in season to the whole of Henry, winklers character, the acting coach in KU snow makes them. Do a truth. Exercise talk about your deepest truth of who made you who you are. And to be honest and real that makes you an artist. And how one that's really hard to do in to do people even really wanna hear them. How are the idea of a hitman who wants to be an actor, get started, like what was the germ of that idea? Our Bergen I were kind of put together by our mutual agent. This is back in two thousand fourteen let's you weren't like somebody like I knew him. Yeah. Someone played matchmaker. And it worked. Yeah. We, we we, we wearing the same comedy circles and stuff like that. But we thought, well, let's go when and, you know, I had this deal at HBO and, and to make a show, but I didn't know what the show was, and then we would sit and we talked about one idea for a while. And we realize that, you know, it was kind of an idea that didn't have any stakes to it. We realize like we had a great pilot episode. And then when we thought of what would be other episodes? We didn't have anything it was just. It was it was essentially me playing someone I grew up with in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was kind of the character I was in a movie called hot rod and the character I played in hot. Rod, it was kind of like a version of that guy. And it was very much like a day in the life, kind of meandering thing of this kind of wayward guy and, and Oklahoma. And, and it is boring. Like I just I can't really get into this. I mean, we have bits, there's comedy bits, but where's the emotion whereas the story? And really, we're the stakes to it, you know. And so we kind of had this breakfast. I remember a bomber breakfast. Right. Where we both were like kind of separately, went, I don't think this idea works. It's kinda doesn't really hold water, and I go, she'd be steaks, and I remember he said, oh, you know, life and death. You know, that's the ultimate right death. That, you know, and I just said, well, what if I was a hitman, and he went little, I hate hitman, and he said, he hit man's like dogcatcher, there's more in television and movies. And then there are in real life, you know, there's not hitman. What is that, you know, will? But what if it was me, you know, and it's not a guy, it's not, you know, the kind of cool guy with two guns in his hands with the long time. Like, what if we, you know, in the black tie in the suit, you know what if we made it? Real and we talked about that. And then I'm not I'm not I'm not joking. We suddenly both got fixated on the idea of him being an actor. I don't know why I don't know where it came from. We just bowl stars argument him taken an acting class, and we and remember specifically at going, oh, him and wants to be an actress that that's funny. That's good. You know, and then we started seeing these interesting correlations of the conflict within that of a, you know, hitman wants to be in the shadows. But actor wants to be in the spotlight. Hit me and wants to be honest, but actors wannabe known hitman wants to suppress his emotions, where an actor wants, it constantly, you know, harnessing their emotions and all these things. So it was a, a funny it just seemed, you know, the acorn of the seed of the idea, could, you know, give us a tree that a you know. Give us a lot of interesting stories in different branches and places to go off to them. If you're just joining us, my guess, is Bill Hader, and he plays a marine who served in Afghanistan and returns home with a very guilty conscience. And when he comes home, the best work, he can find is using the skill he has and becoming a hitman. But on his way to carrying out an assignment as a hitman in LA. He decides he really wants to be an actor, an access all the emotions that he's been blocking. Yes. That sounds, yes. Yes. You're like, oh man. I can't believe HBO. No. But it ends up having like it has a lot of humor, but it also has like a surprising amount of emotional depth. And that's these us to the next clip. I wanna play you know, in the second season, there's a kind of twist on the first clip that we played, we're berries, telling his acting teacher Henry Winkler that, you know, his buddy buddy was shot in Afghanistan. When berry was marine there and berry, took revenge and kill them in. He thought was the shooter, but was the wrong man, and he suffered from guilt ever since but what he's not confessing in the scene, a, that is a hitman NB that he's killed Cousteau's girlfriend Janice, who was a cop and was onto the fact that Barry was a hitman that happened in season one. So in this part, Barry's, telling his teacher, Jean coup, snow played by Henry Winkler about the emotional aftermath of shooting, the wrong man in Afghanistan. Let me sent me to a hospital in Germany and. Family friend pulled some strings in Comey discharged. After that I am. I feel like I deserve to. Holy. Who else did you tell the story to and class known? Good. So here's my advice. You never tell that story again, as long as you live, because, basically you kill somebody, you got away with it. I don't want to tell you this gonna tell you because you're gonna look at me differently. You're gonna look at me like I'm a murderer like like an. Advisement PC. Listen to me. I have a son. I was terrible to this. I was cruel. Selfish. There's nothing I can do to change them, but I don't wanna be that guy anymore. And I pray that human beings ca changed their nature. Because if we can't. Thank you. And I are in deep trouble. That's a scene from the HBO series, Barry, with my guests Bill hater and Henry Winkler and Bill. Hader co created co writes and also direct several episodes of the series. So that's just such a great scene about now that we've told you, you have to be honest, make sure you hide the truth in another question. Raisin, I clicked it we just heard are, you know, are we capable of change? Can we change our nature? Is that a question? You ask yourself a lot. I know that question. Yeah. You constantly. Yeah, you're kinda going might stuck. Yes. My stuck with these tools. It might stuck with these in a row season me stuck this personality thing. Can you change it, and you keep falling back into it. And it's a it's a part of life as you get older. You start to get a little bit more. I think worried about it because you got I'm still doing still doing the ad, you know, I still, I still have, you know, these problems or whatever. And, you know, again, it's like I said the writers Ramon, berry can just be like feels like a group therapy session where everybody kind of talks about, you know, I'm not gonna name names, or, you know, link things, but, you know, things like, like, oh, I have a tendency to exaggerate or lie. I have a tendency to be emotionally called, you know, these things that you see in your. Parents and you see in other people in your your relatives. You know, a lot of people, I know we'll get together with their siblings and be like to do that. Yeah, I do that. Mom would do that. You know, and it's like oh now. I can't shake that, you know, and can you shake that? And so it's more interesting to start a season with a question, you know, can you change your nature and try to figure it out, what you're writing, you know, instead of having, like a in my mind, you know, a full theme of, you know, starting with an answer and trying to prove that, you know what I mean I sometimes think as therapy of therapy is being kind of, it's holding out hope that they're that you are capable of some change. That change is possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just the hope to keep working towards it knowing, like, oh, Cam gonna fall back. But I'm aware of it. That's a good thing. I'm aware of it was writing on Saturday Night Live. Did that involve the same kind of emotional vulnerability, and sharing that you're describing happens in the writer's room for Barry, no? That was more like here's the dumb idea. We have. And how do we how do we? You know, I mean if it was a satirical thing, but never that kind of emotional stuff in my experience there, but it is more of if you're going into more of a satire, kind of going like, is this a thing? You know what I mean? Is that a rebe satirizing something that, you know? Is an actual problem or worth being satirized or you know? And so sometimes you would be like, oh, I've experienced that or I know that feeling I've seen that commercial or I saw that, you know, faint, or whatever it is. And you just wanna make sure that it holds water in some way. But never I mean. Yeah. No, I don't think sketch comedy would lend itself to like a sketch about can you change your nature. So one of the pleasures will watching berry is that there's a lot of intentionally bad acting in it. And some intentionally bad like monologues in it, because it's about acting students who you, you don't necessarily know what they're doing yet. And of course, berry doesn't really know how to act yet. Sometimes he really nails it because it's so consonant with the emotions that he's feeling at the moment, but other times he doesn't get it at all. My favorite, not getting it at all moment is when he does a short scene from Glengarry Glen Ross, and it's the very famous scene. It's Alec Baldwin scene, where he's like the guy from headquarters, you comes in to tell all these scam artists who are selling like terrible real estate like worthless real estate by phone do people, and he comes into tell them that, like unless they shape up the fired. So, so the first thing I wanted to play Alec Baldwin doing the. Okay. So here's Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross. And this is David ma'am at play in then movie, put that coffee down. Coffees for closes on. With you. I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Mitch and Murray, and I'm here on a mission of mercy. Names levine. Dukuly some for salesman. You son of a bitch. I don't gotta listen to you certainly don't pal because the good news is your fight. The bad news is you've got all you've got just one week to regain your job starting with tonight. Starting with tonight's sits. Oh my God. Your attention now. Good. Because we're adding a little something to this month sales contest, as you all know first prize as a Cadillac Eldorado, anybody wanna see second prize. Second prize is set of steak knives. Third prize you find. Get the picture. Okay. Now let's hear how you do it. Bill Hader, portraying vary who is in acting class. He wants to be a good actor. He doesn't really know how to do it. So here is berry doing that scene from Glengarry Glen Ross. Can you put the coffee down coffee's for closers, only you call yourself a salesman you son of a bitch? Hi, I'm from downtown. I'm from Michio Murray. So you've got all of you got just one week to regain your jobs starting with tonight. Okay. We're adding a little something to this month sales contest, as you all know first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. And we want to see what second prizes. Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. But I, I stopped I'm not kidding. You making me nauseous. You're making me nauseous. So funny. So, so can you talk about deciding to do a really bad version of that very famous scene? And the kind of like good natured like I'm here to give you prizes at a tude that you have an acting it. Yeah. They he doesn't understand the context of it at all. Well, that was the thing that it was helpful. And the writing was we said, we, we need to get the berries problem that episode is that he couldn't stand up for himself against Fuchs, Stephen root character. And so he guy who's assigned him has hit, you know. Sandler, his his hitman agent if you will who's constantly bullying him to do stuff, and we are talking and saying, he should learn how to do this, and the acting class. The acting class should be the venue where he goes, and learns how to be a more assertive person. And, and writing that scene than you go will the he needs to start off as not very assertive in coup snow needs to tell him how to be assertive in the scene, but then he can take that into the real world. And, and so it was just working backwards. So then it was like, okay, well how's he going to be not be assertive, so he should do a scene and not be assertive in the night? I think I pitched what if he did Alec Baldwin seem but nice and everyone laughed in their yard? My guest is Bill hater co creator co writer and star of the HBO, dark. Comedy series berry after a break. We'll talk about the anxiety and panic attacks he dealt with performing live on Saturday Night, Live when he was a cast member. I'm Terry gross. And this is fresh air. 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Are you basing that class on where it's all about, like getting to the emotional truth? And sometimes like acting teacher will emotionally push one of the students to the edge to get them to the point where they're ready to like be emotionally naked on stage. Will we? I mean, we went to backed in classes and audited them instead sat in the back research for the series research for the series hand. So it was weird Al it kind of looked at me. Weird I'm like, we gotta go do some research on acting classes, Bill. You're an actor go. I know I don't know this class. And, and, and then at at some point allergists had to go because some of the people would recognize me and it would be weird in what is he doing here? And then so Alec would kind of go by himself, but we saw in the pilot. There's a scene between Henry Winkler replace coup. Snow and Sarah, Goldberg play Sally read one of the students where he be rates are into getting the right emotional response. And we Alex Saban Holly me sane. I just saw this thing where this guy just went after this, this, this actress hard to get her to this place, and then she started doing the scene, and she was really, you know, crying and so thankful for him for getting her there, you know, all this stuff, and he's at his very strange. The acting teacher in the series, the Henry Weakland character. Henry Winkler, basically, says to the acting student. You know what I call that, that's fake acting and he's really like mean. But then she really informants afterwards. Yeah. Well, he, he discloses a private conversation. They had to the class. He says, isn't that what you told me that, you know, you don't think you can make it as belittling her? And she starts crying was betrayed. He's telling the whole class, this thing she didn't want anybody know about. And then he says, don't think just do the scene. And then everyone. Wow. That was so beautiful. But it was a great way of. Introducing the world of this for berry is this guy is kind of emotionally closed off of going. Oh, I need someone to do that, for I need that for some reason, I need someone to access an emotion that I I'm too frayed to kind of look at all. I need this on some level. The first time I interviewed you I didn't know about this. But apparently when you are on Saturday Night, Live, you had a lot of enzymes about performing live, and even had like a panic attack, I think while the show was on while you, Aaron playing Julian Assange, Julian Assange, a panic attack. It was fun. Can you tell what happened, then I? Yeah. I was doing a Julian Assange, Jeff bridges hosting and I don't know what happened. But I suddenly went I can't breathe it felt like it just felt like I was dying. I just that's the only way it could describe it just panic. And I think it was a bit of exhaustion. And, and also, I've, I've made it very naturally anxious person. You know, more in some ways, it's good because when I'm directing a saying eight steps ahead of things, and I'm trying to make sure things are in order and things like that. You know, we talk about the things that we wish we could change in ourselves. And, you know, I very, very anxious and it could kind of make me slightly isolated or not being in the moment in a saying, and on Saturday Night Live. I felt like the majority of my time there, especially in the first half of it, at least. I wasn't in the moment. It was very very, very nervous part palpitations sweating. I would get dizzy, and, you know, I remember once it got to the point where I became completely convinced that either a piece of equipment was going to fall on me or that someone was going to storm, the stage that sound of some of the audience is gonna run up on stage. Let seem like usual things to where like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to forget my lines. I didn't know and you forget your lines and things it, it went from that to that. So once I started getting into these other things, and I, I started doing, like TM and, you know, you take, you know, medication you go to therapists. You know, I really, you know, exercise changing my diet. I mean, all these things to try to get this under control and, and, and you know, it's just it's just acknowledging it, you know, you just kind of go. That's not happening. You know, lax but I think it got to a really bad place. And I think in berry, it's not so much. The anxiety of it. It was more of this idea that I was naturally. Good at him impressions. You know, it was towing Alec Berg this when we were just starting writing. I go, you know, I was least good at impressions. But I what I always wanted to do was right in direct I moved out to Los Angeles twenty years ago to be a writer director, and it was a production assistant, and I did all these things, and, you know, was a crew guy forever and then kind of happen, you know, in a fluky way got on Saturday Night Live, you know, Megamall Allie, Simon a show I got Senate live and I was not prepared for it. And I was saying it's so ironic that all the things that was writing and directing. We're never really all the short films, I made were never very that, that good in the scripts over writing was they were not good. I had a lot to learn, but I could kinda just do impressions and the irony was that the show I didn't impressions on it was like, slowly destroy me because of the executive having to perform in front of a bunch of in front of the nation. You know, I just I just it's still get I hosted lie year ago. When I was a rack and, and I told Alec this and he went, I think, I think that's the show. It's about a guy who thinks, you know, the thing is naturally. Good ads destroying him. But the thing he wants to do. He's not very good. You know, and he goes, that's an emotion you understand, we can write that. My guest is Bill hater a former Saturday Night, Live cast member and writer. He's the co creator and star of the HBO series berry will pick up where we left off after a break. This is fresh air. This message comes from NPR sponsor zeal aches and pains can be an everyday struggle, work exercising, raising kids travel, trying to be social, the pain can be nonstop. But so is your schedule. Try zeal. They're easy to use app lets you get spot quality on demand massages in the comfort of your own home or hotel room. Download the zeal app and use promo code NPR for twenty five dollars off your first massage. That's zeal. Z E L zeal, wellness on the way when you're paying for college on your own. There's a lot to balance. Tell you get through it all NPR's life. Get talked to the real experts students finding a side hustle that works for you and works for. For your schedule is usually beneficial life gets new guide on how to pay for college in apple podcasts for an NPR dot org slash life kit. Let's get back to my interview with Bill. Hader, co creator, and star of the HBO series, berry, you know, it's funny when you're when someone like me is at home watching Saturday night. Live watching the performers do really funny things. I'm thinking, like God there, so lucky. They're having such a good time doing this. You can see what a good time they're having doing this, and you're telling me that like it was not the performance part was not enjoyable. It was kind of terrifying. Yeah. I think that's towards the end. I started laughing a lot and sketches, especially on play the Stefan character things like that. And that was it was funny. But it was also a releasing a lot of that anxiety and kind of going, what's the worst second happen? I know well the phone just went off in here. Not my cell phone is known in the phone. The phone in the well, that happen. I don't know. They're calling me too. Get me out of here. Yeah, that's it. And it's like it's Lauren Michaels. Shut up. All right. I'll start. I'll start over actually. I've I'd say that joke about Warren, but actually he didn't mind laughing because he said, if you were laughing about something that wasn't funny, I would be annoyed with you. But what you're saying is so ridiculous. And funny, I it's enjoyable to watch. But I think the reason John Mullany would do that who put things on the cue cards that I haven't seen or he would tell me about it as well. Stefan, stefan. Yeah. Is that I was so wound tight beforehand, and what I always wanted to do with my hands when I was in skit playing doing sketch was, what Stefan does cover my face. I always wanted to put my head down. So if you watch go back and watch me. My hands are constantly wanting to cover my face especially on update. I remember playing John Malkovich in my hand was in front of my face the entire time. And Doug Abeles who ran update came up like Didi gotta put your hand down. I can't see your face wiser hand up in front of your face. And I'm like 'cause I'm terrified I'm having a panic. I mean, not a panic at the but I just I just would get so charged up we get so anxious about going out, so on the show know about that. Some people knew about it. I think the I I'll be totally honest. I when I would I don't blame them I think some people thought it was just being dramatic which I. Don't blame them because it was this kind of before everything, I think people got a bit Ling, right? Bill. Relax, you know. You know, not talking lot staring down at my feet, I would just get or towards the end I would try to just go oh there it is. You know, that's your, that's your friend. You know, don't fight it. Just go. Okay. There's anxious feeling like let's just what just let it attack you and but don't fight it because you fight it, it gets worse. So did you ever think like this kind of acting this kind of live acting in front of an audience was bad for you and therefore, you should stop doing it? Yeah, but I, I, but I was getting more successful at it, like more people were noticing me from the show. So there's this weird thing. You know, it takes time to kinda hit on that show for some people, and I definitely wasn't until the end of my time there, that people would get recognized for it or whatever. But yeah, I've been asked to, like, for instance, I've been asked to host award shows, and I always say now because I'm like, I'll, I can't I just it's to maybe t- nerve wracking. So I have to ask you about your eyes on Saturday Night, Live, you always, you have very big eyes and you're one of those people who can, like raise, one eyebrow, Senator live. You always used drives great for comic effect on Barry staring into your luck. When I look at your eyes, I'm Barry, like sometimes you're is you're saying, like thousand yard stare, the stare of a soldier who seen combat too long. Sometimes it's the stair of someone with just like so much existential dread. And sometimes it's the stare of somebody who has just become overtaken by rage, and anger. And I wonder if you think about your is at all, whether they it just kind of happens that your is communicate so much. Yeah. I don't think about it at all. Thanks for saying that, that's a nice compliment. It's funny. You say that because I raise there is a funny thing that happened was one of our editors Kyle Ryder were, we're what? Episode four and I just went to a have any other facial expressions. I just have the same facial expression, this whole show. I just look angry and he, he played this clip, and it's me, and it's me, he plays the take I do the take, and then you hear our director of that episode LIZA Johnson going. That was great. Bill. Do you want to do another one? And I go noth- mom. Good. I think we got it. He's like, do you know do do another take man? Did you know? No, I would always do I always do like to take some like that. I say everything, right. Are we good? Okay. Let's move on. You want to save time and money and get everything made. Yeah. I just I'm like, I, I'm I mean, this, it's, it's hard to talk about this without like sounding like, you know, you're being modest where I'm quoting Alec on this. Alec is always like as far as writing. I oh I can't he, he said, you're the only performer writer that I know that can't write for himself. I always writing for I, I write best for Sally. No hang, no Fuchs. But as far as the Barry stuff is concerned, we're always coming around to bury kinda last, you know, episode seven of the season till I think, two weeks before we shot it berry had no storyline. It was just like what's he doing? He's just kind of hanging out now at Kennedy like berry has no storyline. The shows call Barry, what is he doing? But I was so focused on, you know, Fuchs in coup snow, and, you know, Sally and her agent and all these other things that I wasn't even. Thinking about it. And then we were like what if you got it not dish in? And then we kind of added that in at the eleventh hour that whole storyline. And, but yeah, I I I'm the same way as as an actor too. I kind of like go is that we happy with that, okay? We can move on. You know, I'm not a I'm not precious. I'm weirdly I like very few in the edit. I like fewer choices. I kind of like having to be forced to make decision as opposed to, you know, when I was in my early twenties, he's idea. I thought it was so romantic that Stanley Kubrick would shoot one hundred and fifty. And now I'm like, that's crazy. Why would you do that, that makes it now that I've done it? I'm like late. That's that's insane. You know, you don't need to do that, watching the takes is going to take forever. Yeah. But it doesn't I think there's this thing of directors want actors to stop acting, so they, they pummel him to death with a lot of takes, and I just feel like that someone is not really respecting an actor and also someone that all you have to say is, hey, could you try this, you know? Could you do less? Let's take another break here, and then we'll talk some more, if you're just joining us, my guest is Bill Hader, and he's the co creator star co writer, producer, also directs episodes of the HBO series, berry will be right back. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. 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And a couple of people that I've read have compared moments of buried two moments of taxi driver. And in, in the last episode of the second season, there's actually shots that really look like the end of taxi driver going up the stairs, and along hallway and everything. But I won't comparison I will make between you and Travis pickled in euros. Character in taxi driver. Is that both he and you when there's a gun in your hand or his hand, you become just like rigid? You've become like so stiff when you're carrying a gun, d do you, do you? I mean, I don't think I'm reading that into it. I think you just kind of stiffened on the guns in your hand. Yeah. Yeah, I don't and I don't know. I, I don't know if that's the character of that's me. I'm not a big. I don't like on. So I I'm uncomfortable with them. You know, a lot of people go, you take shoot. You know, get to go train with a gun was that fun and everything, and I go now they just kind of tell me what to do for that scene, or there's fake guns that I can break apart that are actually made a wood and velcro that I can do stuff with. But I do think that I mean, do the tax driver things very I mean, that's one of my favorite movies. And when we were doing the mix for episode eight where there is a. Big kind of tax driver type climax at the end of the season two. I went, man. You know, use your influence is go in there. And then you realize it while you're in, you know, at the very end of the process relate. Oh, I clearly like taxi driver there. It is. And you don't realize it, it's like being a musician and hearing a song. I'm being like, oh, I really liked the Beatles. But yeah, I always felt like the relationship to violence in the show. Again, you didn't want it to be glib you want it to be, as when I take tax driver did that. Well, two of showing the kind of reality of it, you know, and the kind of he's the end of taxi driver, he's doing, quote unquote is irony like this virtuous act of saving this girl. But it's you know, it's terrifying. There's nothing roic about it at all. He's an you know, he's he's a crazy person you know it's it's a homicide. You know, people keep forgetting after he does all that. He tries to kill himself, but he can't doesn't want to live anymore. Takes his bloody finger and puts it to his temple and shoots. Yeah. Yeah. To the tops. I mean he's he's, it's about a diet as on a living more. And then you know he's hailed as a hero. And I like that, you know, it's like the, the clip you played earlier, he says, you know, I don't want to be a violent person. Don't wanna see you to see me as violent person. And then, you know, he, he is at the end, you know. And it's, it's like hopefully the feeling in that last you know, shootout is, is one of disappointment, you know, and berry like come on, man, you know, but I've also met people. It's weird. You know, I've, I've met people who come up to being a man that ending was rat. And. You know, it's like, I'm so glad he you know, blue those guys way that was those rat. And I've had three female journalists say to me, I've never found you attractive. But in this show when you're, you're, you're shooting people, you look very attractive, that's odd. Yeah. And Alec loves that when it happens too, because he always go. So you've never found him. It's not like can we not just focus on that part? But, but how weird is that it's very strange? It's a weird thing that I've for some people, you know, and again, not saying this is everybody. I'm not making. A generalization but it's something I've experienced in making the show where you, you, you can't help help people are going to perceive, the thing, you know, and, you know, when we're making it, and I'm shooting, and I think I'll I people should be disappointed in, in berry in how kind of dark and in sad. This is that he can't fight his nature, and that this is his true nature. It's his performance is his truce performance is that we always thought of that, that in shoot out, and, and, and the and then people construe it are you power. They want. I remember the last time you were on the show. You talked about Helen, you were a child, you earn your father watched a lot of movies, and some of them were really violent films like Sam Peckinpah straw, dogs and the wild bunch. What impression did those violent films make on you? And you're young. You know, it it's interesting. You know, when you're young. Yeah. You know, it's like kids, I don't know, kids now, but, you know, is that, that, like, you know, you play army and you play cowboy are you, you know, some extension of, of being shot and falling down? And, you know, and all that, and then I think the movie that had the biggest impact on me would, you know, tax driver, be one, because that shootout was not that it wasn't. I find when I watched the Sam Peckinpah movies now at feels too. Stylized stylized, glamorous and a weird way. It's kind of weirdly reveling in it in some way. I like wild bunch to agree, straw, dogs doesn't really hold up from me on a lot for a lottery Zain's, but, but taxi drivers though, was the thing that I saw that I went well, okay, that feels real there's a scene in taxi driver where he shoots. Harvey K towel racists, suck on this and he shoots them. And there's nothing glamorous or it the cameras across the street. It's almost like the point of view of someone sitting on the stoop across the street, and you're watching two guys talking a doorway across the street and one guy shoots the other guy. And, and then that guy than deniro just walks over and sits down. So now it's just you and the, the shooter by the only two people on the street, and it's very chilling. And I remember seeing that at a the age of eleven or twelve or something and going, oh, man. At that. There's so many just feels real about this. So you it was hard to go back to those other movies, you know. What did you see taxi driver with at that age, my dad? What did he tell you about what he have to say about the film? He really goes, it's like one of the best movies ever made. Right. He let me kind of just decide on my own. What I thought my parents were very young. I would I mean I have kids now at that age, I wouldn't let them watch taxi driver. But he did. I mean, I mean, the other tax drive wasn't the worst one. I mean I saw clockwork orange when I was twelve and that was another one. That is a really tough movie man. That's all it's rough. But the nature of violence in he would show me these things and go, you know, hey, you know, this is wrong, right? It was never like you would watch taxi driver in clockwork, orange ING in think it was cool. It was more of, of this is awful. But there is something to gain about human nature here. Bill hader. It's been great to talk with you. Again. I regret that our time is up. I look forward to season three of berry. Thank you so much for coming back to front. This is a huge honor Bill haters, a former Saturday Night, Live writer and cast member. He now stars in the HBO comedy series berry, which he co created seasons. One and two are available on demand and the show has been renewed. For a third season, fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our interviews and reviews boost in edited by any salad from this Myers, Roberta shorrock, Sam brigger. 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233: Rachel La Loca Out Loud
"The new Macy's backstage open Saturday. Inside Macy's Bowie town center. Here's the deal are named says Macy's, but it totally different stuff like fashion, binds, home decor, toys, haircare and more and incredibly low prices. Plus the first one hundred people here get a twenty dollar back to these reward card. So join us inside Macy's Bowie town center, Saturday may teeth at nine AM for the opening of the new Macy's backstage off rice on trend arriving daily. Visit macysbackstage dot com for details. Dino, rebels radio Latino rebels radio who'd become nobody like here. This Sunday may twelve thousand nineteen also known as mother's day of the two thousand nineteen calendar year. So to all you amazing moms out there. Happy mother's day. Just want to let people know that. I talked to all my mom's. Yeah. Have I have several. Moms have mom mom. I have a step mom and have a mother in law. And. Checked in with all of them all is. Well, and. I get I get a lot of sun in son-in-law and stepson point. So there you go. Listen, I'm like super excited. I'm like Dion excited. I'm kinda I'm kinda like teenage girl giddy right now with all the shit that's going on in this world. I've been trying to lightness up a little bit. You know, we did the single that final show. Last week. Oh, by the way, this where I mentioned that iheart. Iheartradio nominated Latino rebels radio for best multicultural podcast two thousand nineteen we didn't win. But I'm going to totally note that for the whole year, and yeah. And there's also the part where I say that. You're listening to us on audio boom that durables dot com or wherever you get your podcast. So I got that out of the way when I'm like super excited. I said I try to lighten it up, but I have. I have a good friend a friend a colleague in industry. How do we say it Rachel strokes Mooney Slyke an industry calling? What are we we're friends, but we're also. Fellow podcasters. How do we see that? How do you? How do you see that in in this day and age I mean, I would say you're like a combined to me. But that to let the no, I don't know. I don't know if the white people get. When I'm going with go Bri, Rachel Strauss. Moonies of Latinos out loud. Welcome to Latino rebels radio. I feel like it was a good. This is what they call it. Good. Get. I got a good get this week because you guys are kicking us, and we're gonna share we're gonna share a lot about your fantastic event. That's happening at. It's happening on Monday. Yes. With a job at the green at WNYC in the green the green space, but before we get into that. Total disclosure we Arkham buys. I think I met you Amman. I've known you online Nonni with one bottle who I think I think one boggled to be honest with the he's Miami. I think we're related like I'm having that. I feel I feel like we're illegitimate like brothers or something. There's this such a strong connection that you to share. And I see it when you're together. And I hear about it quite often. If I might add. It's kind of it's kind of a little bit. It's kind of frigging annoying. I know we're like we're like we're best example of Puerto Ricans Dominicans getting along. That's all I love that that needs to be a poster or something like all that bullshit is over right? The Puerto Ricans versus Americans like that's done for real for real. I actually think it is. And I actually liked to think that it's me and boggled that started it. But anyway. Wambugu could not cannot do this today because he's probably doing something. I don't know. He's probably doing some industrial or som. From my Mongoose commercial before till I get I get, but I'm excited because you're actually you're the co host of Latinos out loud. You've you've comedian your mom. Oh, by the way, happy mother's day. He's so that's so special. Thank you. I know. All right. So no, it's important. And I and I will say I'm going to totally admit I love your Instagram air. You're like it's like, it's like crazy Latina, mom, Instagram. It's as real as it gets though. And I just like module in this role that I have as mom, you know, loca daughter sister best friend friend, and I have to be that crazy Latina sometimes sometimes it calls for it. I'm sorry. I know I know in someone's gotta like go to Chucky cheese. I bless your heart. But you're also known as Rachel loca. And you are Latinos out loud podcasts. And you guys are going to be celebrating a hundred episodes, which is I'm gonna tell you right now. It's like fucking huge because you do one hundred about a hundred episodes. I don't care what anyone says this is hard work. So. So tell me exactly what let's just jump straight just for your promo. What's going to happen on Monday night? And then we're going to talk about so many other things. So what is happening with Latino Latinos out loud this Monday. So Monday is a special day for us. We are recording. Like, you said are one hundred episode now, I have to tell you. I am what you call an over celebrator. I've been celebrating every milestone I could with this podcast from the tenth episodes of the twenty fifth episode to the fifty the seventy fifth. So this celebration is really nothing new for me. But a hundred is a centennial end it is special and we're now part of the podcast mix tape series over at WNYC studios. So they've invited us as a POC podcast or to execute. Our stuff to do our show in their space to invite our friends fans and family. It just worked out with the timing too. Because we're like, wait a minute. That's our hundred episode, and we would like forget it. We're doing a Latino house party. So that's what we're doing tomorrow at the space. It will be converted into a Latino basement or living room. However you in the core, and there will be empanadas. They will be Dominican cake. They will be cop yells with little ribbons that they let those out loud hashtag L hundred. So that you can expect. Okay. But on top of that what is such a like celebratory moment for us as Latinos in this space is having the honour imploded privilege of interviewing Linneman will meet on that in his father Luton down that junior as well as I'm sorry. We had to throw a third because comedy works in threes. You know, this will lethal. We've invited Oz Rodriguez who's the director of the first film unit over at Saturday Night Live damn so for us who lethal. In the space is I mean, it's it's already sold out to rain like it's filled, but you guys are also going to from what I understand you're gonna put it up online. So how how can people like follow? This amazing Latino basement podcasts event. Well, it's going to be live streamed on YouTube. So it will be on the green spaces YouTube channel. So either check us out on social will put the link up as soon as it starts at seven PM or you can just go to the green spaces website, and they'll be a link up there as well. But Lino this this is momentous, and I felt really bad about it selling out. But okay here, I am being the shit, man. I don't give a shit like both the way you need to both away. Like son like, it's. So thou before we even announced Lynn was a part of him. And to me that just as we're doing something, right? And we're fulfilling a need, and I'm hearing this as I travel the country to in that like there is a real need for Latino content. That's relatable, and no matter where you're from. Whether it's gone Hindi annoy, doesn't really matter. It's just that. There's just so many common denominators at will share. And we talked about that shit on the podcast every single rights over the people that don't listen to Latinos out because I'm sure there's people listening to us right now. In even though I I've been I've I've been so honored to be a guess also money ain't a host Fudo media who was also guest. So I I'm a fan. But how do you describe Latinos out loud podcast to someone like, okay? Let me just let me step back for second. I'm going to be someone that listens to podcasts. So i'm. Eating here. Rachel, and I'm like, hey, do you have any good podcasts to listen to like what what is this? What is your podcast about? So how would you pitch me? We'll answer that we to Broglie. Hey, exactly. I'm totally totally into this is why I love like playing with you guys because we totally get it. It's like improv. So so let me try that again. Hey now that you set up the premise I'm going to try it again. All right. Hey, Rachel, loca home. I heard you have a podcast co Latinos out loud. What what's it all about? Well, the liquid is allow podcasts if features improv bids and pranks and characters segments. Basically, we bring our lovers sketch comedy to light for the podcast waves. We have guessed that inspire. We tried to move Latinos forward. We'll make them laugh, man. That's it. I will great elevator pitch a Lubbock. And all right. So and you guys have been doing it for a couple years. And what's interesting is that you've done some, you know, not only do you have lin-manuel at mentioned, muddy Hosa. But with some of the other guests that you've gotten decided to me because I I know I know boggle said, marina hosts podcast was his favourite one. Screw him. I'm totally disowning him like his answer that question Brian. I know. Don't you feel that your episode was fire? There was. You seem like ten seconds of my total like until insecure person. I know Marie is awesome. And she's my in Montana. And I love her and I talked to her all the time. But seriously Wambo seriously like you wet with Maria. I I just I just I just it was I think that's like the brotherly love, he knew you were going to be reading that article on remiss, and he probably said that four years ago because Rudd's you so much as a brother, but you know, you can't get GATT a shout out the Simone who we love. She's amazing. It was a great piece of people have read that that piece it gets into why you guys did it. But before we get into why you guys did it give me a couple of just told me like. Another kiss that you guys have had because I might I might subscribe the sheriff for sure. Oh my God. I love this. This is the best. Okay. No. I don't want to know. We've had we've had the kid Miro. Ports and men. He sits alike. Ono Mirella Hindi. You know, like he's taught us some stuff. He just shouts boggled out like a little brother. It's just dope. You know? We've had a model Negra or the love and hip hop. She was also on the dance show on ABC on came in second place. I mean, look we've had controversial journalists on our show. We've had Juno D as on the show. What we've heard time and time again is that it feels good to listen to us because you get your chuckle chuckle. Ha ha laugh laugh, but you also get east of empowerment, and like I just got a note in my DM today in some girl out in Texas was like I'm learning about jobs that I've never even knew existed like directing the first film unit of Saturday Night Live a Dominican is doing that. And so little girls and little boys across the country are hearing about these opportunities in the like fuck it. I'm gonna try to do that shit too. Right. So. You were skeptical about all this show was. Yeah. You were. I mean, I mean boggles says yes to anything. So like, I. Right. Like, if someone said like, hey, you know, he says I'll do that. I'll do that. I mean, so it doesn't surprise me that he wanted to do it. But you are skeptical about doing Latinos out loud, so bringing back to the origin story how it all started. And y you were completely wrong about missing the wave here. It really takes a lot. I'm a Lille. Okay. I rarely am wrong. So I love when salt is like sprinkled onto the open wound like Tillis while you were wrong again, Rachel, and I don't mind your story at all. Because it does look bag. Oh came up to me was like we do videos. We do this. We do that. We know we are live shows comedy. But nobody's really diving into the podcast pace from a Latino comedy perspective. And was he wide? I didn't have as wide eyed look that wide eyed boggle look when he gets you know, what I mean, he just put vising in his I like. He walks around. It's like why bother and I'm like, dude. Like, you're excited about anything glistening. It looked like, you know. Ridiculous likes that are like at the parties. Now the three sixty camera lights was shining. His eyes were wide and like beautifully like a three carat diamond. And I had I was like, no, I don't know what you're talking about a podcast us. Like, what are we gonna do start from scratch? And I was like look I'm in my I'm going to be my late thirties. I think I want to start from scratch right now. And I said hold up hold up. Let me just do a little research, and I'll give you my definitive answer in twenty four hours. All right. So you did you research. Just add one more thing lethal he'd earned an oppressed by network. And so he was like the opportunity is there, and it's going to be a lot easier because we're going to have didn't tell did they tell you that when he or why don't you just fucking tell you probably not. 'cause you know, Mike Pence out major details. Yeah. It's like it's like, hey network reach out. They want us to do a podcast like they love and twenty like with this. And as you say any, and he's asking you. Yeah. Maybe we should go into. And your life. So maybe there was a radio deal with network. So. So we love Mike, and I do I have to tell you what we love him too. But he was busy. And I'm gonna give him crab for not being on the show with us. So I'm like what Mike Baagoe Wambo, whatever. Fucking name you go by. You said no to me because you were too busy. So I'm sorry continue. This is going to be to be continued. And I I appreciate it. Because I. Join our especially when they juicy like this. Yeah. Come on our podcast next. And we're going to have to hash it out. Oh, it's gonna be a right. Like, this whole light Puerto Ricans like the fact that you said that put Ricans Dominicans like wearing gambles of us getting along. You said no to my fucking show just saying and Rachel said, yes. So like, I'm just being honest. Well, I said not him to at first about the podcast. Yeah. I had to like 'cause I did do some research. And it wasn't that the research showed me. Oh, do it. This is a successful thing for the trimmings and just go for you to bring you to the next level. Go ahead actor Rachel, but it wasn't about that being the success measure or the measurement for success. It was more. Like this space is so untapped my garbage. That's an opportunity we have to do this. Yeah. Exactly. And and that's I mean, I'll give you gotta wait. Wait. You got a text message. I love this. This is why I love letting rebels radio is we just, you know, everyone gets in the studio and everything I do everything frigging live raw like this is what we do in for five years. And you're that was tech sound so people for listeners to hear that it runs. Stop. Really won't. Aren't until I will tell you. What's was I know it's too. But you know, it's funny. I was kind of ask skeptical with Latino rebels radio when we started it in two thousand fourteen and I'll never forget Christian intrigue as who was original producer is still like, no g pioneer. He's he was doing. He was doing his own radio show online for three or four years. And I was in between jobs, and he just reach out to me and said, hey, you should just start recording. And I'm like come on. I'm not gonna do this. And he pushed me and to this day any noses. I've told I told them this several times I said that was one I love the fact that you went you you made that decision. You may be say, yes. And I'll never forget what you've done. I'll never forget it. So I get it. I do understand. I understand the skepticism. But at the same time you need to step back because we. It's exactly what you just said. It's this is so untapped. No. One was doing it at least on the level of because because of the rest of the podcasting world is incredibly it's just more. It's white mainstream. I'm sorry. Like, that's what people do. And and we need to step back for second. And be like damn we we started saying, yes, the stuff in I'm assuming now because you are now converted right? I mean, what do you love about? So because I remember when I did the show with you guys. First of all all complete pros. I was blown away. I was kinda like, wow, these guys take it seriously as opposed to me was like I'm on the fucking internet, like just breast Ord and make sure you don't turn your text off once in a while. No. But the thing is not our, but I make I make the conscious editorial choice to be like this to me for me for what I do. I use this as like open mic, right? I do let rumbles radio to help me become a better in the thick host. You know what I'm saying? So I do this for my own craft. So I've made a completely different aditorial choice that is part of this. So when I saw professional you guys were when I saw a serious, you guys were you have to step back in in an acknowledged that because you guys take this seriously. And I say that as a compliment, so so let me ask you like after hundred chose do you feel because it's a grind? This is a grind this is like comedy. Oh, some of the phone girl. Oga happy mother's saying happy mother's say, this is all. Good this out good, timing me. And he's been doing it for the last fifteen minutes. But for some reason, my iphone decided to ring that last time, I'm the what's happening technology, and I loved what you were going. Can we just go right back? Yeah. We're totally going to write back. But I love the fact that your son just called your mother's day. And then we have that. But the point being is it's a grind, you know, it's hard. You know, it's hard to quote unquote, make it in the pot because everyone has a fucking broadcast right now. And so what drives you guys I mean after one hundred uploads, I've never seen you guys more energized. I've never seen you guys more into it. But it's grind, dude. It's like it's like doing stand up. It's like doing. It's like you just gotta keep at it. So what's driving you? What what feels what's fuelling you? So start breaking down for me. I will say now. Okay. Now when we searched for Latino, I would say based or content driven podcasts. There are more of a variety, which I'm so proud of because when we started it was just like I can count on one hand. So that drives me like that really drives me because I don't want any one market segment to own this space. They shouldn't and they share. Can't you know? I mean, we I share they are they. Nor they shouldn't because we have so many stories to share to an in our own unique voice in way. And then even like that what you just said with your programming. I think editorial is so stellar that. It's a news source. It's a source for conversation. And we're something a little different. We're more escapism. And were we're gonna make you laugh and will empower you at the same time, maybe shed some light on topic that you'd never heard of before or an area of entertainment that you'd never heard a conversation around before. So all of that also fuels me as well. And most importantly this conduit that we've created it allows me to say so much shit. It allows me to do things. It allows me to get my writing out there, which all Boca's ING on because let the are so underrepresented in the writers rooms in spaces of that nature as well. So I'm using it. I hope to its fullest potential. I really can't say that. I am because I'm learning how to like really pimp it out more and more. As I learned more had. You feel like as a performer as creator as someone who does writing. Do you feel like it's helps you like you said it it's helped you become a better performer. Yes. In terms of which is fascinating. Right. I find that to be incredibly fascinating. His because I started in improv, and you know, I've dabbled and I love improv animal always love improv. And there's something about just doing what like doing this. That is just an extension of what I've done in the past. And it's almost like now, I'm kind of saying, okay, I've done this. Now, I wanna get on stage right now, I wanna like do stand up, and I and I've always wanted to do it. But I've never felt like confident in it. And now, I'm kinda like buck. I'm competent fuck this shit, man. I can talk for twenty minutes, whatever. But, but I also think this is the the point that were people tend to miss when it comes to this community. Is your in? You're absolutely right. It's like, you know, we can all coexist. And I think that's a big point that we need to kill keep telling people like there's not just one Latino podcast out there. And that's completely. Okay. And we need to support each other. Because I I listened to all these other podcasts. That's what they're all doing. So so I'll look at my phone's ringing. My son tells him I'm busy. Wait. Your son is contacting me. All right. But, but what do you guys want to do with this like where do you go with this after one hundred pounds, what success for you? I mean, is it what you're doing? Because to me. It's like, I'm okay doing this for the rest of my life because I think like eventually it's going to hit. But do you feel the same way? You guys feel the same as you feel like this is so much fucking fun. Let's just have fun, and let's not worry about where this takes us. Like, what do you guys think? I think all right. I agree with so many things that you said, it's the one thing in my I was a show business career where what you sees what you motherfucking get like, I am so raw and real it. I'm talking to my frigging brothers. These are my friends of fifteen plus years. So you would normally hear this conversation. Whether we were on a microphone or not like if you were with us or chilling in a living room with us. This is how we talk to each other. This is how we get on each other. We prank each other. We. Make fun of each other's parents like we just do that all day anyway. And so it's fun. Like, you said where I wanna take this. I just want to connect with as many people as possible. And if it's through the podcast for the rest of my life will then here, we are from the senior citizen center in you know, Kasumi Florida. Image of me seeing boggle in frigging Walker on white like just for a second like, dancing committing. Okay. I got that out of my mind, please have to wipe that out of my. Okay, I'm good. I'm like today. We're gonna see his all that eyebrow grey. That's gonna look so weird. He's gonna like George Whipple. Yeah. He's still going to be wide. You still gonna be ride scare like that's like stranger things Dominican anyway. What are the challenges? What do you think, you know? I know we've been praising it. Well, you know, we both support both our show support each other which I think is easy all day all day in like being part of that community is huge. But what are the challenges? I mean, do you feel like you? Scratching the surface? There's so much more June feel like people still don't get what your podcast is about Yemen. There's a lot of converting that we still need to do specifically in our market segment. Like, just like Latinos, they're catching the wave. But we let the knows it is so hard for them to catch the wave. I don't understand it like just you haven't apt. It's already built into your phone. Just explore a little I don't know why we just don't explore. But the converts are always hard to just get people onto podcasts period, the other challenges having people subscribe and consistently come back. I mean, people love it once they come in. But like, I think now there's also such a variety of podcasts. I I want to stay on people's top five forever. Never never. Yeah. It's yeah. I I know what you're saying. But at the same. Yeah, continue. No continue. I'm sorry. I was I was I'm sorry who lethal the last thing. I would say is every week. We treat this like a business. You know what I'm saying? And I'm sure you do. And so we have a stellar staff. That helps us out we'd be nowhere without the skeleton of this whole thing. But we try to consistently one up ourselves to make ourselves as best as possible. I know it sounds generic. But there's for improvement. So to say like, oh, you crack the code. You got the equation of a successful podcast fucking don't because there's some segments that sometimes I feel don't hit. And I just got go back to the writer's room. And you know, which is might a three foot square foot loft space in my apartment, you know. Like, there's always ways to finesse and make it better. So I think that's a challenge for me. And like is everybody enjoying what we're putting out there? One thousand percent if not how do I tweak to make it better? And. But one of the things that I find when to tweaking it's just got gotta keep doing your keep grinded to- people all the time. Like I've been doing this for five years by fucking years using bro. And I sit here, and we're still getting sort of is credit like you're constantly getting the crowd, and one of the things that drives me is when I get that this you mentioned, it's like, I love the fact that you guys are getting comments from places that are outside of New York City, for example, you're on in Texas. Yeah. Or this young person like did never knew about this. Or now, I know this. That's when I think you're cracking that code and from the from the business like money side of it. That's gonna come down the road. I I really like that's the thing that drives me, and I feel you so much where I sit here on like come on like we already solved this for you guys. We already salted like listen to us at. But then if you get caught up into that it then then impacts your final product, and you might as well just be like F A. This is who we are. When a grind. Let's do it again. Oh, we got Lin Manuel. Miranda is dead in odds from like Saturday Night Live in WNYC, motherfuckers cows that like there you go. We must be doing something. Right. You know what? So so that's my last question to you. I mean, you said notable initially and now you're part of WNYC's studios their program, you're gonna be in their space, which is fantastic space. I in any on, and the fact that the WNYC understands what you guys do you gotta step back for a second. I mean does that hit you? I mean, make sure your son doesn't your face FaceTime. Because I really wanna capture this last moment. But that's gotta hit you. I mean, that's gotta hit you. Write it tested. Yeah. It just did. I it's a privilege, man. It's a privilege like you'll always here on the speeches like it's such a privilege to do. It is like do it you love it really fucking is an I left. I left a whole different world. I left corporate America when my kid was born. And that's what I said. I said I'm finally going to do what I wanna fuck in do. And what I wanna fuck do. I want to entertain people. I don't wanna like do marketing or go to events and come home at one in the morning, like I'll come on in the morning, but knowing that I just made some people laugh or I just put somebody onto something so beautiful. And that's it hits me it hits me in spurts. Sometimes you know, when these like really amazing leaps in my career happened. I rarely take time to reflect, but it's really nice to reflect with you right here right now. All right. So as a fellow at gone by improviser comedian, you know, creator, I wish she got you guys need to you. You guys will crush it. Tomorrow night for sure no doubt savor that. Because you are literally going to be performing live on stage and all the route twenty eight work in all the like all the stuff that you guys do all the sketch work. It's just another performance in once you go into that you guys gonna crush it tomorrow and own that fucking space. Like, this is your moment. I'm like so proud of you guys. Like is there my you? So might tweet like I was like, oh, man. I turned I turned fifty like in two weeks. So. So I get like suburban dad be like like, I'm like you guys better you guys better motherfucking own that space tomorrow night at because you deserve. Every you deserve the accolades, you deserve the love, you deserve the praise, and we need to tell ourselves we need to constantly tell people in our community that what you did what you're doing right now is an A list moment, and that's important. And we don't take time to tell each other that. So there thank you. Thank you so much compiled, by those words, beautiful. I am so humbled. I'm so excited. You'll be in on stage for me, that's like my role of lucky charms, bro. That is like my in moment. That's like where I feel the most at home is where I'm stays in. I'm rocking a Mike and Mike. What's up mother fuckers? Yo yo your yours is just the beginning. Trust me. I feel it. I feel like we're on the cusp of believing. I tell that to myself all the time. So anyway, before we arrived this up, how do people subscribe? How did they find you guys on social holiday do all that? Good stuff. Yes. On Instagram and Facebook, we're at we are letting those out loud on Twitter were at Luca embargo, and we will be posting away tomorrow with links to the livestream. Thank you who little for supporting us like from day one from like negative day one. Did you know I say bug on? I go way back, and I will remember the early days, and it was so funny because he would be like, hey, do this video. I'm like, okay. That's good. That's funny. I'll share that one. And then they'll do one two weeks later might. Okay. That's not that funny. So I'm not going. But here's the thing we need what you're supposed to do. We need to get better. That's how we are. After one another and Broncos like all, right? And then he come back and doing what about this one? And I'm like, oh, yeah. This is funny. I'm gonna write it write about this one and lean to this. Anyway, that's a luck Rachel Strauss. When these Rachel loca of Latinos out loud, podcast, guys. I know that they're they're event there live recording with the the Miranda family. Our is already sold out with WNYC at the green space. But you guys follow them get the links support them support a lot of letting x podcast because come on. We're creating like we're doing this all the time. So Rachel would also ammo could ask we that. They end let's allowed the KOMO only fan too. Oh my God. Rachel loca. Always makes me laugh. She always makes me laugh all the time. Guys. If you like what you heard rate review us on I tunes tweet Latino rebels. Tweet me at Julio seventy seven follow Latinos out loud, podcast, guys. They're doing amazing work, and we'll be back next Sunday. Remind drop a couple of extra podcast this week. Would like we always do we always close out with does. Who regard low add a Latino rebels radio. 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"Welcome to strong black legends. The show where we give flowers to the legends of film and television brought to you by net flicks and strong black lead each week. We talk with the folks that paved the way for us to imagine what was possible both on and off the screen. I am your host, Tracy Clayton aka chocolate do pre which I just decided is my drag name because I am to understand that we're all born naked in the rest is drag and such is chocolate debris. Chocolate, the pre is occupant chocolate depre- looks and smells expensive when she showers. I'm really really really excited to get started this week. And you already know the drill. So we're just gonna what are you going to jump right into it? I know about Gary Moore's buds, which I don't know about Garrett Morris, sherline improvisation when into the move was will still high. So I did my Batman, why people love in burn in workshops that will, basically workshop, just about actors will examine problems in society, like teenage pregnancy drugs murder on us up in the hood. So I'm going to apologize in advance. There might be a lot of squealing Guinness episodes. If you have dogs, put them away, put them in a class because this is one of my favorite people on the planet, and there's no reason for me to have ever thought that I will be interviewing the first black person owns Saturday Night Live, which is how I found him when I was younger because I was obsessed with Saturday Night Live as a very young child. I don't know if that's a common thing. Anyway, I felt that I wanted to be a writer on Saturday night. Live for some reason, I don't even know where it came from. But for that reason I will always go back and watch. Oh, it episodes. Am I that man like one of my uncles? We're the other ones who looked like him. So that was my introduction to Garrett Morris, but I fell in love with Garrett Morris when he portrayed a certain some winning stand on a certain show called Martin. I don't know if you've heard of it, I don't know if I've mentioned twenty three times it is one of my favorite sitcom. Of all time, but of course he played STAN who was Martin's balls slash a con man slash polyester suit aficionado. Even in the nineties for some reason, go ahead. Dan martin. I don't need to go. No further you are. So I can spread your sandwich. And he was so good at playing stand that when I figured out that it was the guy from SNL, who was playing STAN, I was like, oh, I guess, Dan is an actual purse, and the person behind the genius was Garrett Morris. And I think is really a testament to his comedic ability and his talent to be able to present himself. And you're just like, oh, yeah, that's my uncle STAN who I grew up with, like, no, he's in the TV. But still sad note adjust cited in the last two seconds that my Halloween costume was going to be a needlessly sexy version of Stanford Martin. So just prepare yourself 'cause y'all didn't really like sexy, Steve, Harvey that much. This is not a joke. Can go to my Instagram and see me, sexy Steve Harvey. So just prepare yourself. Okay. Anyway, once you see Garrett Morris in a row, you cannot see anybody else in that same like uncle junior on the Jamie Foxx show, who else? Could have been junior on the Jamie Foxx show. Nobody who else could have been Mr. Mason on Cooley high. Nobody he is kind and as warm as he is funny. When we met I felt like I instantly knew him forever. We get so many labs. And I hope you laugh along with us too. Thank you so much for joining me. Over the moon. Blaspheme completely star struck if I had under the table, I'll be back. I have been on ships in the water just back in for how can I say? How can I say knowing that I won't say that about the? To the most. Technically in adult. This year. Exactly. It's the motion in that I learned quite reasonable. But that's not what this show is about. You read my mind dead. I wish I was from Kentucky. You look our commercials. Well, I might so speaking of New Orleans, this is where you were born and race. Launderers man Shimon today. Yes. When the earth was flat with year nineteen twenty seven February the Frist. Yes, by mouth, three AM in the morning. And I have said, probably was raining. Because my favorite okay thing about the weather in general, is what happens in all all the time. You'll have it sunny at nine you'd have to rein in that twelve you'd have it sunny at three you never I like that kind of let that terrifies me. Sorry. When you come not have gone to say, don't do that, right? I left a little drizzle level. One anyway. Belonged the son of a lady by name of on my great grand, my grandfather, and my grandmother raised me Thomas Phillips. At now Richard fill, and we spent a lot of times in New Orleans, also a lot of time in Morgan city, Louisiana, which about ninety five miles from New Orleans, and I'm my grandfather, you know, grandfather Louisiana's Brady's Minnesota, I would say when he died about a hundred ministers came to his funeral several him, and as on your Nealon fingers along anyway, you can imagine you could have gone home and slow up. Come back here. Right. But just as he wasn't, you know, lose analyst graders ministers. He could also have been called one of Louisiana's raiders pimps. By the time I was. But teens I realized that in order for me to date a girl who was not my cousin, I had to move at least two or three cities. Better as to choose. I with. A Rolling Stone. He had to wear without a go. Elsewhere. With him. No, I blame him I credit him with was going with me now because I see my career as immolating him and his what I mean. For instance, went out about three and a half years old. According to the people, I was reading the bible now Tracy. If I was actually reading the by one at three and a half. I didn't understand goddamn thing. I'll read them, plus cadets pay course. Okay. But I do remember that. When I got in first grade and second grade, I was reading mass was held when I was reading, right. Yeah. By the time I remember of eight years old. I read the history of the Mormon church not knowing. I didn't even know what to do that, at just learn about Mormons yesterday. Right. My grandfather my grandfather during the week writing this sermon. This writing on the weekend, he preached this acting. He was also a singer. Right. So he sagging they directed the choir. So it'll singer of the director, and he was a composer. So what am I I'm a actor singer? Writer, composer arranger positives, singing part because a little birdie told me that while you were a member of the inaugural cast of Saturday Night, Live a certain someone a Walter Matthau, our beliefs. Oh, I you to the musical acts on an episode world by putting it in his contract and you sang like an aria. We did. Why not you know what fair? Why does wall? So good. Yeah. I mean it goes. Random thing Waltham out veep into classical music. So when he's listened to me, he's listening, not just as a my Lai, he that they kinda saw. So he had heard nothing. Here's a lot of things about me anyway, in that way. And a couple of time I would sing stuff that he because he when he came to the show here like ahead like ten or twelve boxes fill with recording live Caruso, when so he. You that I had some background. So do you think for now, see to read about something because my background I graduate from dealer, busy? And using in Milton wasn't vision, I want to piss called tanglewood, which is over there in Massachusetts month venue, where actually run the one the conducting award for that year. Right. So I and then when I can't in York City, my first job was at a single range, but Belafonte, so my first job was thinking, so he knew about that. So you demanded that they be saying, I didn't really thinking for that. But kind of by the time on SNL I have been doing that stuff like twenty years, not for to more commercial stuff. My solid getting more blues and stuff. So I'm don't have the fifty you have to have to do a German leader, which he. Nope. Do off dollar soi Paci. Can you think a little bit for me so I can see a love to our PA. Anyone? Done. Anyway, the millennium thing I've ever experienced little trees, I had to, to a guy named Jonathan Brice a great, great coach of that time at have him getting me straight. 'cause I was hell. You're in sung in like twenty years, you want to do it or did you feel like hey one wants math asset? I want you to do it on the line. Oh, I know. Lauren forever. Whatever whatever whatever he already knew about that. But he wasn't. He was used that for comedy Kim you to give it. Because I feel like people don't think about black people, especially, like quote, unquote, normal people like you in die, only one of his happens to be rigid, legendary but, you know, people don't associate us with, like high Arctic. Classic classical music like. No. So I think that amazing and fascinating, the black comedian comedian, who has a she does about. She call mental and nobody can hero, right? And she's looking at the white people who just sure she listened to the Frank. She pulled out a window. She's a. Oh. I wanna knew all the way you have a mission that from beginning like so I never really even sought music as being separated like that. Until I started studying at a kid be educated it at an ace Bill yet. And you stated at an HP CU dill at university university run before that my great teacher Gladys Jones. And before that piano, talk from his way in the city but register in life. One of greatest time my life to be on that campus. I would have to reveal that I used to stay there to get twenty four hours a day becomes not to not to implement homeless. To the very opposite of an HP. You guys you portray you went to Harvard. I'll wait what? The Princeton rule to a tiny school, tiny white school in Kentucky that nobody heard of you will among all of white people and you survived by the grace of guys. So my question. In not going to an HP CU, did I if so how. Answer that too, we well you'll parents of the ones that sent you there. Right. Pants. Now mind, you I'm not attachments, hasn't to your question to ask you. Right. My response to that is, is wherever you go, you, bring you first of all, and if your path sent you there with a positive attitude towards what you're gonna learn Ozzy. That's correct. Okay. At a Booker T Washington high school. I didn't know that every high school had black in it one of the things about segregation. That was good for all black schools. New not only by George Washington, George Washington Carver. A new bottle white jeans. Been knew about the black gene, to the well, Blackwell's mounted. I know about Robert frost. I knew about village sweetly our in by blackened in between, in Dole's brag venues, I didn't know until I got into college that that was a special thing. How do you think that time in knowing what, you know, when learning what you learned that dilly university prepared, you for the current political hellfire that we're in our one figure, it would bring me back home because see I was born in Louisiana win tradition within Bogue? I never did. So you'd have a certain white. I'm better than you Seville. You thing that came from every white fishy pass Meyer and you understood that, that no was martial law. The cops could stop anybody black to do it anymore and by extension if you hooked up with a white prison, you always on me. So our can an industry where almost everybody is like twenty one news is terrible. I can't confirm mostly because there are a lot of people who don't get my cultural references right? Most of those come from Martin, right. So I have actually had to explain to people in real life. What Martin is Martin is. And I was like staying you know they were like. And I'm just like get away from me. Next. It must be no to wonder if foles who has no idea. How would you describe your character stand on Martin? I would like slimy. Jive as player. Okay. Well, he's a small businessman who made it big. That's right. I don't wanna trust that because a lot of sexual references in alone. That he was a womanizer woman is Hello. Hello. Hello. And he you know, he had had some kind of excess on the venison, but on of ends he was obviously, you know not not hit it out of the park, every time. Do you know how describe how would you describe him as a cat daddy, you? Yes. Forbid, too. Really? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. But I have inside me, okay. I'm an actor. Okay. You must realize I've projecting a character Allen. You are a cat airforce did for you. Failing. Don't see being a cat daddy, as a great thing, because my question I'm not saying that a no. No. You just are allowed bathroom a lot of good things about being a cat. Yeah. Okay. So I feel like four hour because I even meet some black people like to don't know what a cat daddy is. And I'm just like Yemen snap, because, you know what I personally love the cat? Daddy, the way. The added final Kate baby is like he's got on a suit at two o'clock in the afternoon on Tuesday. Yet not enough could be try them form of hat, Kengo could be a, what do you calling for durum their favorite pickup line? Which I think it just his my heart. Every time you know, you walking down the street and say, hey, mom, how you doing Amy like other fine? And then they say, well, I can see you fan, but I asked you, how you doing. Have you ever said that to him merger? Temperatures don't I don't do it. Oh, God taken that of yet moving to the next. What's driver? What is the most ever had that? Oh, god. Would you Bill? From but two girls will also this is show that I don't watch and somebody said that you were on. Yeah. On. But to also. Yeah. From two you have it. I can't imagine working with Dami vox in like, oh, he's learning. In between sets he's always joking around. Yeah. These they in contact with him. No. I mean you know. He's busy. In. So now today I feel like black comedians, especially black male comedians are not aging very well. When I say that in like you got Kevin Hart. No. No. No. I mean when actually. I don't bring suitcases I just put everything in here. Okay. Not not at all. But I mean you know, like as society chain, did you know, you've got transgender rights, and, you know, you've got people who are like you can't disrespect me anymore, not even in the name of comedy. And there are people like pill who have been hot wider for transphobic jokes, Kevin Hart, who with the whole Oscars. I'm not gonna apologize thing cat Williams. Just send up a prayer every night. Why do you think this is happening? Why are we just sensitive or are these men just like, no honestly would after receive differently because Bill in the business, we do have the problem of for instance, didn't with real stuff from everybody. I take the public has a right to respond to you about their views about what you're doing if he comes back and, and. Asa forgiveness and apologize over again. The only can know what, that's my view on also in comedian go into the same thing and for you to say that sort of, in my opinion, is has a kind of arrogance about it that do not allow him any room because you made in something, you mentioned joke about your son, that's gonna Lisa might kill somebody. That's what's being said that. I see it. And I think he may resent that I know for me. I would've done what he did intend to not doing just go. I wouldn't want it had to have it up there. And I think that really why he did anyone have it up to any more. It seems to me that comedians at least have the reputation or a stereotype, the comedians are actually very sad. You know, and there's a whole lot of. Why, why do you think that is? And how have you taken care of yourself? Three a career. We'll on I if I'm not committed my ex wife will definitely gel you. I'm not funny. Let you knew that right now. Hey, I know who me when I got to say, I was an actor, right? And I was had no experience in comedy is such an acting. And my improv see, I learned improvisation when in the movie was will still hot. So I did my white people love him run in workshops that will, basically workshop just about actors will examining problems so cited like teenage as pregnancy drugs, murder, and all that stuff in the hood, right? So I did have an improvisational skills, but they won't compare to like what John Belushi, and Gilda Radner. Oh my God. Beautiful. She was in my one's pretty impressive ever working life, and hot improv just like John came out of Saturday SNL now. Second city. So basically teach you really to hook up stuff that would get laughs. They teach your formula for one to a hundred. You can make somebody laugh or certain things in a workshop in the hood, you're going from hate y to kill. That's about it. Right. So I went to Saturday live. With that with bam. Bam can probably is no rain. But believe me, I learned so so much from where would Yoda working with him and for me, I did get to where I, I did what I was halfway proud of what happens long long long way down the road I opened up a club. Call blues comedy club, which was in a in a Los Angeles. Right. And from that point on I began to work myself in my club. I've gonna work on my self to make myself with action by the everybody had been make me be. I will not comedian they have demanded that I could not get a job on. I was do nothing but drama before says after that, I cannot get around could not get one. And but for me the. Transition for one start the cloud, I lack route got to come out. I could stand up matter Kevin Hart. I'm not sitting out Calloway, who's one of the fun is the focus on. He is fun of, you know, his awful funny Llanelli of hers, a lovely our my God. My underwear I love watching just kind of us. Yes. Sure, I'm Charlotte Patrice show and you have to the funnest latest hand this, capturing, but I saw and cat William many sober, never so magnanimous he can't in my club and just a flea fifteen or twenty minutes. He asked me. He says, can I go up? I said, can you go? Are you kidding? Can you go? No. He went up and just blasted, you know. So I think a lot. I think we have a lot of stuff, all of us that hide our dog side, I think it comes becomes more, more contrast when someone who's mission is to make you laugh. I don't think so much that comedian themselves. Yeah. But have themselves have that as that's a little angry. Happing sell funny, make so many people laugh and have this connection to humor and still be. This next and final segment is called will figure out with name it later. But for now it's just rectify questions. Right question. Number one, Domino's spades. Number two. You are at a function is time for the soul train mind in your next. What move? I busted now. Well, this model. Iq tweeden to outworking. Domain me ask you get up into our because daughter creep. I'm a guy who doesn't when I m Twickenham mean for everybody else to tweak when I. One of those okay. Okay, if it were possible to pull your black heart, which maybe it is, maybe it isn't done. Hateful about that. They nobody don't pull my bland card though. What would yours get pulled for example? Don't tell anybody this stay between you. And I, I as a black person Kim, I eat spicy food. Oh, hey, listen. I wish that never the scorn, the look, America. This man looking at me, okay. Not booty. From your girl. No, no DNA by fever me. I can't. Oh. So you go ten of all is in high school in college. Just watch all the girls dude. Oh, and I got so used to that. I thought he wanna dance. Let me just watch the hip. 'specially Aloom when is the first time you saw yourself represented in pop culture, where you saw something someone somewhere like that looks like me or that could be me when they are. Maybe I could do that. Oh shit here in. The naked. The naked city legacy. Yes. Was I like Saul yourself represented or someone like your? Yeah. Before you saw like he saw Tarzan movies, right? It was you had African tribes where everyone of the Africans were west guys dressed in any. Any act like us see there. Right. Right. And only the only black prison was the head of the rules, right? And if you take by guiding Rex Ingram, he every time it was a zoo, pre Sheva whatever it was always Ricksen, but, but when I saw the naked city. I feel like I know the answer to this one, but is there any chance? Even have to happen on the microphone. You know what I mean? Is there any chance that you will give me the inside scoop on what happened between Martin and teasha Campbell on the set really wouldn't be together? Oh, that's right. On best that, nothing that we don't have time they fired you forgetting known flabby when I was in the aftermath of self, but then went around tell them people that have interviewed that he came and set by my bed and cried and stuff going, Michael. No, you're board. What blah which Hugh tissue Cam. Right. Really? I'll let you knew that you're talking about that one of the show. Yeah, that's fuck me. I was in was in or Utah. My. Only Martin we Mon you. And this is not normal about tissue cattle ship that a loved one of the greatest, but man who produced the Martin, basically was Martin on. And after I had no bad with them. Feel to this day. I didn't understand why he decided to find me while I was in Daniel Freeman. He divided decide. Yeah. And I think maybe because he mis interpreted went on and brew conclusion that was about drugs and something was about me being assaulted and nearly kill by someone trying to shoot me and Abby. Right. Yeah. I did wrong. He grabbed from behind. He comes from in front. I would say, sir hit take my mind. He comes from behind the first degree black belt thing. Right. A lot of stuff. They teach you oughta Matic believe at five foot six. Then I am not about trying to fight with some eight six year old six year old young black boy, believe me. I know I'm gonna lose that fight right? Even if I do know whatever, but he came from behind, so I did stuff that. Absolutely embarrassed him. Right. So that's what he said. Hey, because again, there was a game the year to feelings delegating yet again on Saturday watching all of this. So that meant I'm only shot. Right. Right. So but I can't round to kick him and he had to hold on. Hold on just plan. Yeah. Yeah. Want to arm when in here, not mine to like a ribcage, right Leno running McComb Meyer. Interesting. Oh, I don't come from me for like six months. In. And even though I because this product can come from that really I have final code engine because the bullet went to my spine. Hanging up. So remember earlier talking about all of the youths, that I know. And how most of the younger people remember the Jamie Foxx show, and the people of a certain age, such as myself prefer mine, probably do doubted sake, but as somebody who has worked on both sets, which do you think is like better overall, which one was the most made meet now? Sunlen argument that I would be involved. Okay. Help me out to be like, Garrett Horner's saying if I say, Jerry father. I had a lot of fun on Jamie, Jamie show. Only one of those two fires you when you were in the hospital three of trying to be very active. Okay. Trying to be objective. Okay. And I'm trying. I'm dealing so. Yeah he did. But. Seeing that people think people don't think that he printed this. My grandmother used to say he's predatory. That's what you pronounce with strays again weapon with printer straight. Registry fit do. Do you mean prejudice? Yeah. That's what I said, predatory. You know, I learned a lot of fun on Jamie show. And I know that this may tempted if being prejudice because on the other store, so I was just people have probably did have more fun. But I didn't I had a lot of fun on Jamie show a little less while on Martin show. Yeah. I'm not anybody said, I'm gonna tell him into said except for the millions of religion on. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Y'all keep a secret, okay? Don't okay. No. Okay. Okay, let's left with in keeping with the theme of the show giving flowers to legends who are under preciado did, who would you like to give flowers to who do you think is an under appreciated black legend, lactating music, whatever moves you or earth. I'm embarrassed to say that. I don't know that if will go through heart Evan van at man and give them ours. Is he celebration of you saw the second diehard, he was the traffic control? In a way back when he did the TV version of ninety five he was when the shape. Oh, this guy, art is in fantastic. Accurate and also chose who was in nightclub night night night court. I'll, i'll. Oh, which was he did he play the judge? No. He played down there kit. No also been glad man all chose Robinson is his name. Like news to may those two men on sung in my opinion to founded actors on the seem to twenty than. I'm gonna find a way to binged night court, I loved still up that what you so much. You taught me something today. You made me laugh evening, crown inside this was in absolute joy. So much. And now it's time for a little segment that we like to call Tracy's flowers. And we call it that because this is where Tracy gives flowers to a black person or thing that I just love him. I personal life. So this week flowers, go to drum. Roll, please. So before we get into the particulars, I have a gift for you. I would like to present you with a poem, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Spoken word. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. When did you fall in love with hip hop? Okay. Oh, baby hair. You protect our temples with your fluffy. Yet hard, if fear harp from century of petroleum and chemical appropriation sculpted with the tail comb, a toothbrush weapons of the fight against water constructed kitchens in our kitchens, pees on the stove. And at our may, we love you baby here because you, you Marcus apart our ancestors, wildest dream. Yes, I know. I know thinking, thank you. I say I say to you all. So I never thought I would have to say this at any point in my life, but baby here was not invented by the Kardashians or by whatever model they have on the cover of whatever magazines are out there like that is that is some black shit like we should know this with some black shit, and it's very stressful. To me to see people whose entire hair is baby here, basically, which just means it's like straight. You don't have to do anything fancy to look Federal Way, but, like they just sat down and somebody's makeup chair and just like, you know, like on their phones going through Twitter and Instagram. And then they look up and then and bam, you're done. We had the spanned. And when I say, we I mean, I and when I say had to spend means bent this morning. Way too long in the mirror to get the Swope in the like the little Swoosh isn't if you get like super like creative, and do like the little S squiggle thing that we do in front of our ears will sideburns like the pin, curls like that requires very specific tools, hopefully, a tale, calm. If you got it if you don't like maybe a paper clip. Listen. All I'm saying is that when times are hard, you still gotta get your baby here together that mitt. If you were not a math major all-wheel, you'd better learn because you have to do ratio's, like what's the right ratio of water to jail to Harry's? You know what is what is like, one part of our English major, I can't even give you a good example, but. But we learned because we had to. And then once you got it right. You had to task are around. You have four. If you're me for least hour in the morning, and then and then you had to figure out how to go about your day without sweating because you sweat, what may be her where at Bo where though but you know what is our it in the end because I personally love a puff or a ponytail or some, some into some bundles, I think the children call him with some just some couscous as murdering cows little waves at the temple. And yes, I know. And I understand that this whole obsession around baby here, can sometimes be problematic, because it's kind of, like built on the existence of quote unquote, good hair as thing. But I feel like we've survived long enough to be able to re claim it friends, we can reclaim our baby here and be like, yeah, I'm thirty six years old, and I have baby hurt. So what? Like, why can't you accept what growth out of my head naturally the way it is? And also, accept whatever I wanna do to manipulate it or change, it when I want, would you like to fight about it? And if so, do you also want to beyond say, because guess what she likes her baby air with baby Heron afros? So what fight me and beyond say, I dare you. You're not gonna do it. Anyway, they Bahir these flowers are for you and also shutouts blue Abby in her baby here, and also afro, because, you know what we can say to when we can be two different Texas at once. Boom. Everybody. Thank you so much for hanging out with me yet again. And thank you to the moon and back to Garrett Morris. Absolutely making my day. I can't believe that I talked to somebody who was a part of my favorite show. Oh my gosh. I also made your day and, you know, say it was up to care Morris. He's on Twitter at underscore Garrett Morris. That is underscore Garrett with two TS Morris. This show is produced by strong black lead and Netflix. With pineapple street media are music is via deejay Don will the hardest working man in the podcast business. You can follow him on Twitter, and on all of the social things at Don will I have been your host pre legend Tracy Clayton and you can find me on Twitter in the socials at broke MC poverty? I'll say, hey, I'll maybe say me, a dollar something features. Like don't have anything to do why you're at it. Why you follow them, folks? Make sure to follow strong lead on all of the socials at strong like lead. And if you have enjoyed what you've heard here, if you enjoy the time that he's been with me, tell your friends, because if you love them, don't you want them to be happy to. S. So tell your friends and also don't forget to rate inscribed, too strong legends on apple podcasts Spotify, and wherever you get your free podcast until next time you keep shining like the gift that a crow would give you, if you were to feed it for a long time, because if you do that crows will actually bring you like a really nice, shiny gift. They like shiny things and they like being helped, and they like being nice, but you will never ever know that because most people only associate death because what they're black. That's not fair. And it's not true crows a great people feed. The crows also have a good week and come back next week. Get onto your every time. I'm just really Pratima progress.
Both Donald Trump And Seth Meyers Have Taken Cues From This Guy
"Support for this podcast and the following message come from internet essentials from Comcast, connecting more than six million low income people to low cost, high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more now they're ready for anything. This is one a. I'm Joshua Johnson in Washington. If it feels like the whole world has gone digital and no one respects pen and paper anymore. You might love this story. The production crew of a late night. Comedy show is pretty large with writers. Producers directors prop masters camera operators, makeup artists and many more, but the performers might just rely on one crew member more than any other. The cue cardholder NYC cue cards handles almost all the cue card work in New York, true to its name. It's a decidedly low tech job at some productions refuse to do without in just a moment. You'll meet cue card Wally. He's the owner of NYC cue cards. The guy behind the scenes at Saturday Night, Live and late night with Seth Meyers and a lot more programs. You'll meet him just ahead. Support for NPR and the following message come from US army medicine. One of the nation's innovative medical institutions that puts healthcare professionals at the forefront of medicine US army medicine is an elite team, pioneering new medical discoveries to make a difference in the lives of Americans. Army medicine is your chance to push medicine further, learn more at go army dot com. Slash a med. And this week are not in USA a conversation with supreme court Justice, Sonia Sotomayor yard who recently adopted her memoir for a young adult audience. That's this week on Latino USA. Find us on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts, Wally fairest in welcome to one a. thanks for having me Joshua. Thanks for great to be here. How did you get into the queue card business? While I went to Syracuse and I wanted to be a writer, I majored in writing and moved to New York, and you know, my brother was working at time receptionist, and they need the cue-card guy. So he recommended me even though my printing was terrible and I got the job and I, I did it just get my foot in the door and to make writing connections. And you know, I did. I did make some writing connects us and I wrote for some cable shows, but it was never enough to support myself. So I kept under the cue cards, and I got really good at doing cue cards very quickly. And you know, cut to twenty eight twenty. Eight years later, I've all my own company. I've been doing it for that long and running a lot of shows. So clearly, this was not the kind of writing that you had in mind, but what was it about doing the cue cards that you liked? You know, I don't know. I think won't, especially on Saturday Night, Live the live aspect of it and being out there, you know, as close to the cameras as you can be without being on camera and helping the actors and helping the guest stars through the shows and through this hard show that the, you know, they a lot of them have never done live t. before there was something very rewarding about that, and I didn't crack under pressure with the changes and all the stress that was involved with that. And that was something that they the show noticed, and I rose up pretty quickly in the ranks. Tell us a bit about your company. What shows does your company do cue cards for the are four main shows that are that? Are that tape all year? Our Saturday Night Live. The tonight show Jimmy Fallon late night with Seth Meyers, and then we do Conan on the west coast as well. Those are four main shows, and then we, we'll do some reality shows. We do ache master. We do all the project runway's that shoot. And then we do just show any show that comes into town needs, cue cards, work on that as well. What kinds of people do well at this line of work? The first thing we look for is neat printing. Now my penmanship is fairly awful. I think that was why when I was unamed school track years ago, people are like, Yep, we've seen your handwriting. So I wonder exactly what you're looking for in terms of printing. I, the cue cards I've seen are all written in all caps. Yes, correct. It's, you know, it's it's a, it's a, it's block lettering, it's all caps. It's it's really about the spacing between the between the letters in the word and the spacing between the words and the spacing between the sentences. It's not something like I can't just bring somebody off. A street and say, okay, start doing guards. It's almost like, you know, you need. I need to train for like two or three weeks just to get them. There's so many different little things you have to learn two or three weeks of training? Yeah. 'cause you. 'cause it's, it's not it's. You can't just say you just tell them all the rules, right? You know what I mean? I can't just end up his paper. Okay. These are all the rules you need to learn. Memorize these new things come up every time there's new. Like I is capitalized only in certain words, it's not capitalized during words where how to end the card a card should end on a period or comma in if not that you know, how do you end it so that flows the next car. Just so many different roles where you can only learn it by by doing it and practicing it. We're speaking to Wally fairest in the founder of NYC cue cards, the exclusive cue-card provider in New York. Okay. So let's say you're working for me for, you know, late night with Joshua Johnson. Right? And I come out to do my opening monologue. I've just hired your company and I. Said Wally. I'm really excited to be working for you guys. Let's start building this relationship. Tell me the kinds of things that you are going to want to know for me to figure out how to be a good cue card vendor for me. All right. First thing I asked you, how's your eyesight while I near sighted? I wear glasses. Okay. So you were a glasses. Will you wear glasses on the show where you were contacts or you not where either? I don't really like contacts. Hourglasses. Okay. So you wear your glasses so you can see fine. I won't have to. If you didn't wear your glasses and you wanna wear contacts. I could put your letters bigger so that you could see, but that would also make less words in the card. And it would make it harder for you to to flow to the like if you're especially if you were telling jokes, so I would recommend glasses or contacts for you if you know if you so you're gonna wear your glasses, you'll be fine reading cards. And then I would just, you know, we would. We would have rehearsals, right? Would practice with you if you've never read cards before, that's something he'd want to practice. What's the main thing that I need to think about if I'm reading cue cards from you? Look directly at the cue cards. Don't look. Away because it will. Then it'll look like you're reading the cue cards. How do you mean look as well, if you were doing a sketch, they say you were doing a sketch with your band leader and I had cue cards near the bandleader positioned in a way that you would wanna play to those cue cards. Now, if you're looking at the cue cards and then at the bandleader going back and forth between the card and the bandleader dot would be like, oh, he's obviously reading something. But if you just played to those cards, it would look on camera like you were talking directly to that person. I'm directly above the camera above the camera above the cameras. So yeah, so I'll I, we'll depending on where you are in position to the camera, I'll make the cards the right the lettering, the right size so that you look directly at that card. It looks like you're looking right into the camera. So you're cue card holders are kind of part of the technical direction, the the blocking of a scene in terms of figuring out where the performance need to look to look proper. That's exactly right. Especially with Saturday Night Live. That's what I, that's my. Main job, but I'm there on Thursdays from Friday's. That's all we do all days block sketches and I'll be out there with one set of cards working with the actors working with the host, figuring out where I'm going to put the cards, and I work with the director of the stage manager as well kind of confirmed. I think I think I need the cards here and then I'll ask the actors if they need an extra set somewhere else where I maybe didn't think of just wanna make sure that they're covered where there from comfortable since you mentioned Saturday Night Live. What does a typical work week at SNL look like for someone who's doing cue cards for that show? Do you just come in Saturday afternoon and scribble. Furiously until eleven thirty five pm. I wish it were that simple. Now we start on Thursday. We start rehearsals on Thursday at Thursday's a light day. So the music, the musical group will rehearse for the first half of the day, and then we'll, we'll be in there about noon and we'll print. We'll rehearse maybe like three or four sketches and we'll only print one one set of each sketch because I have to figure out how many sets we need. So there's no reason to print more and it it will change from Thursday. The sketches we do on Thursday, we'll go through a rewrite session on Thursday night and most most of the time we'll be completely rewritten from Thursday to Friday and then is the same process except we do about eight or nine sketches. Same process we print, but that on Friday we have to do, we have to make copies. We call it duping the cards, so it makes sense. And then we, we'd dupe them, we don't have the. We don't have the luxury of waiting until Saturday to dupe the Friday sketches because Saturday's show day. So everything's printed. I have about eight people there on Friday just yet. Basically, writing all day. I have the fun job. I'm out on the set blocking working with the actress, having fun. They're sitting underneath the bleachers from eleven o'clock till sometimes twelve or one o'clock in the morning, just printing cards. It's a long. It's a long day for them. What kind of person would wanna take that kind of job? It doesn't sound like a very glamorous way to be near the TV business. Are you mostly employing people who are looking for a foot in the door, or do you have like veteran cue-card writers working for? There's a little bit of both. Mostly people that are trying to get them and I encourage that. I try to tell them cue cards is not a career. I did make it a career for myself, but there's not much room if you wanna do it great for your lives. That's awesome. But you should be looking to do something else. I'm encouraging them. I'm helping them. I'm introducing them to people that want they in a career that they want to do mostly most of its entertainment related. But yeah, you sit those long days Friday, but that leads to Saturday where we're then they come out from behind the scenes and never sing with me 'cause I can't. I can't hold four sketches at one time. You know, four sets of cards at one time, so I need other people out there. And then that's kind of the fun part of it. How close up to Showtime, safe for Saturday Night Live. How close are you writing up to Showtime? We don't stop making changes usually until sometimes twelve thirty at night. Twelve forty at night while the show is going on. So you could still be writing while you're live? Oh, we are. We definitely are. We get most of the changes done. And then the problem that happens is that the show starts running late in this maybe two sketches that Lauren would like to get in. So he'll tell the writers need to cut forty seconds out of that sketching one min out of that last catch. So while we're doing sketches or in the commercial breaks before the sketch is going to be on where trying to cut forty minutes out of a sketch, I have to say your job sounds both tremendously thrilling and like an absolute logistical nightmare. I mean, I think about how much people screamed and yelled when the Academy Awards got that card wrong for best picture where they said it was LA La Land, and it was really moonlight. That was just one card. Yeah, you must. Have reams of paper that you go through every week that you have to keep in the right order. How do that? It's organization, it's it's years of being organized in. There's methods that that were that were started before I got there and that I've that I've kept an, I've maybe even created some myself. But yeah, it's thousands of cards per show. It's over a thousand cards per show between changes in what we're using. And yet it's just organization. It's just quick organization and and I'm, you know, because I've been doing it for so long. I don't really stress about it anymore. It's, you know, it's fun and I kind of look at it like, okay, it's almost a challenge and they throw these challenges at us because they know we can handle it. So I look at it as a challenge, but it's but it's but it's a, it's a blast thrilling. You ever screwed up. Of course, what's worse? Screw up. Well. A few years back, we get some changes right before the show was gonna start. I actually made the changes, and for some reason they gave us, they gave us three two pages of changes, and it was paid. I'm just gonna make pages page seventeen and page nineteen. There was no page eighteen in my quickness to do that. I didn't see a page eighteen, so I cut out the entire page eighteen which wasn't cut that was supposed to be in the sketch and it was the cold open and it was j. Pharaoh was supposed to be saying live from New York. I cut the cold open. You mean the the part, the very beginning of Saturday Night Live before the credits wrought. The most important sketch that Lauren in the show the producers want the cold open in the mar- like to go great because those are the first two things that most viewers will watch. So those are the things that you want to go smooth and then the rest of the show if there's a bump is a bump. So I cut out j. Farrow who was supposed to say, live from New York. He wasn't even on the set because I had cut him out of the sketch. Well, it was a pretty big, screw up. I would be mad. Yeah, he was. They were all mad. They were all over. But again, you know, that was probably the worst mistake in. And I gotta say like twenty seven years. We, we, maybe we'll miss a word here or line there, but or drop a card or not drop a card, but made a card sticks to another card little things like that. But that was a big mistake. And yeah, they, they were. They were quite upset, but you know what? It's it's live TV and stuff happens, you know? So we go back to your hypothetical contract with me for my new late night show right if something like that happened once let alone twice the next day. We in our production meeting, I'd be sitting with my executive producer going, maybe we should buy teleprompters. Maybe this whole human error element for a show like ours is just something that we could live without. Well, I mean, if you're if you're alive show than you know, those prompters are gonna go down prompters go down all the time. So I think prompters are gonna screw up more than the human element will screw up, especially. If you're if you're just a regular, talk show and you're, you know, you're doing a daily talk show. I've been doing Seth Meyers for the last three years, and I don't think we've had a major mistake, you know, in three in three years because it's because compared to Saturday Night Live, it's such a more relaxed show and it's a taped show. So if there is a mistake, we can go back and we can do it again if they need to. What about the physical aspect of being accused cardholder? I mean, it occurs to me that you are a cue card holder. You're not just putting them on like a music stand and flipping them. You must get tired. Hold knows cards, especially for a ninety minute show like Saturday Night Live. You are correct. You are. You're very correct. I started when I was twenty five. My body is slowly breaking down. Yes, I had in the past, I think probably eight years I've had tendonitis in my left elbow that I had tendonitis in my right elbow. I had physical therapy done on both of those physical therapy done in my left shoulder physical therapy, done my right shoulder. And then I had some back issues a couple years back that I had physical therapy on also right now, I'm all good. So you know, knock on what one more thing I have to ask you about before we let you go is the fact that you did the cue cards for the apprentice? That is correct, and we all know who the star of the apprentice was that is also correct it was that like, well, I consider myself Donald Trump's personal q-car guy. I am the only one that has done cue cards for him in the last since the apprentice finale started in two thousand four. And actually when I started my company, two thousand four, he was my very first client. He was my first invoice that I that I sent out was to Donald Trump for the apprentice. He's been very, very nice to me over the last thirteen years. He he relied on me. I, you know, I took care of him on his life. He can't. He kinda ran, ran me through the ringer of the first time we met on Saturday Night, Live in two thousand four, but that happens quite often when the stars are nervous. Sometimes they'll take it out on me, which is fine. It's part of my job. It's what I do, and I think I took it well that ever since then, anytime he's using your needs cards, he'll have the company called his foot. If he's doing a commercial, I'll get a phone call and say, we need to hire you for commercial. And I was like, who's the talent any little like they're, they hesitate. They're like Donald Trump, and I was like, oh, did he tell you that I can charge you whatever I want, and they're like, yes, he did, but please don't go, don't go to hard on us. We don't have a big. So he's been very nice to be like that. I've used as Mets tickets several times. You know, he's, he's been a good man. I can't say that I agree with everything he's doing in politics right now, but as a cue car relationship, he was very good to me. President Trump is kind of known these days for going off script a great deal when he's reading a statement or or be opening a press conference. How was he as an on air talent on the apprentice? Did he stick to the script? We we had we, it was weird. It was kind of a weird thing. It's like we, we had stuff on cue cards and. Yeah, he would sometimes go off a little bit, but he would go. He would. I would know where where he was gonna come back to if he did that, and it was funny because the producers all looked to me because he just would just sometimes rather deal with me than the writers and stuff. So he would always be giving me changes and tell me what to put down and ask him what I thought about it. And it was kind of an interesting thing. But yeah, no, he would go off sometimes, but he'd go right back to it. And I think about the teleprompter operator that's that's working with him now because I'm like, man, that guy must have it rough because he does go off script and then you know, you hope he picks up proposed to pick up with from Wally. Ferston is the owner of NYC cue cards while he thanks for talking to us, Josh. Thanks for appreciate it. This program comes to you from w. AMU part of American University in Washington DC distributed by NPR until we meet again, I'm Joshua Johnson. Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you tomorrow for the Friday news roundup. This is one. Whether it's athlete protests the Muslim travel ban gun violence school reform or just the music that's giving you life right now, race is the subtext to so much of the American story and on coats which we make that subtext text. You can listen to us on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts.
20. What's happening in Retail | September 29, 2020
"Thursday and everybody welcome back to another episode of the retail Adventures podcast with Kaiser vendor and bomb as always on the Bauman Kaiser bender and bomb maybe next time I'll introduce myself as the Kaiser or the vendor. I don't know. We'll see we'll see if you're paying attention with me as always or georganne bender and Rich Kaiser. Hey everybody. How you doing? Jason doing well doing well. It's raining here, but it's sunny in my house. So that's good. At least that's what my therapist has said. No, I'm just fine. How are you from mood? I am in a good mood. I'm in in person a damn people like me. You're good enough. You're smart enough and doggone it people like you thank you. Yeah, these guys love their Saturday Night Live, so I don't know about that way. You don't know about Saturday Night Live. Yeah 5x name on the the old people. So let's see what's going on this week, right? What's going on? Well, I'll give it more of an overview not just necessarily this week this cuz this way, you know, we hit a million deaths in the United States and I thought that was a million deaths worldwide. I'm sorry million deaths over worldwide, but 20% of them happened to be in the United States wage. And we are 4% I think of the world's population. Cobian don't quote me on that. I'm pretty sure that's that's the truth. Anyway, it doesn't matter. No one checks the truth. Anyway these days right? That's absolutely true. And I was reading about the new I'm reading news. I'm reading world news and I don't want to be a downer. No one likes it down her but I'm going to be a downer for a minute. That's like when you start a sentence and you're like whatever I say and then you know that it's followed by that being said, you know that whatever you said in the beginning of that first part of the sentence is Almost Doesn't Count. I'm reading online the news and it's saying the pandemic is wreaking havoc on retail triggering what one expert said is almost certainly the worst year in retail history with a record $18,000 filing for chapter eleven bankruptcy and buy and that's within the first six months of 2020 and Then followed by an additional 11:00 through mid-august. Yeah, I just have to say about that. They are I mean, that's crazy. Okay, so it is wreaking havoc the pandemic is wreaking havoc on retail that the one thing that you cannot lose sight of the fact is that many of those retailers were having massive problems financially and otherwise before the pandemic even hit and the pandemic was what pushed him over the edge song. We don't really know what would have happened without the pandemic. That's certainly the pandemic has led to their bankruptcy or demise. Are you rich? Well, I think you're right. But I think that there's another another angle here as well is that depend emack has had a major effect and it certainly probably as a kind of a descending kind of effect as people think they're getting better now, but you know one thing that we don't talk enough about is some of the a lot of retail went out of business because of other retail and what the other retail did, you know, there was people that had dead Curbside pickup and they did it immediately people delivered immediately people made themselves available to do business While others stood back and said what's next and you know, what a race it's it's like a horse race to me and it's all of us around the track and if you don't run they're going to win the race and you're going to lose. So I think that there there were a lot of things that contributed to it. Not are not downplaying the fact that you know your restaurant here. We're kind of retail that it had to let people end to do business downplay that that you had a tough time. But I do think that the way was consistent with a lot of things contributing but one was not being aggressive. Cuz there are still some retailers that are going do I need to do buy online pickup in-store. He's six months ago. So your point Jason there are a lot of independent retailers and restaurants. Or the pandemic has absolutely kill them. There are businesses like ours is a pandemic has absolutely killed them. I mean with us certainly we are nowhere near where we were last year or the exhaust. Twenty-five years. I mean we're back. We in March went back to square one when tradeshows shut down. So, you know, it's it's It's not a good time for a lot of businesses. So, you know, we get what you're saying. But we do you know, what we did George weary merchandised our store and avenues of opportunity wherever we can find him in we dived in now we didn't spend a lot of money but we were smart. Right right we play to our strengths. So you're right. There's a lot going on. I hate reading those headlines, but you know that goes back to when it comes to the big stores that goes back to once the truth cuz they never tell you that they were you know in so much Financial like like when Toys R Us going out of business, there was Financial Obligations that was in 2019, but there were Financial Obligations there that there's no way that store could have survived and then now you have things like pure one goes out of business. And as soon as the last door closes 30 minutes later they have an online store. So it's weird so you don't tell us what's today's National Coffee Day today, you can get free coffee and discounted drinks and deals at Krispy Kreme Starbucks. Dunkin Donuts Panera. Look at Kaiser's face by face light up. Let me tell you what is just left. You just walked out. He's gone Jason whenever we travel the first thing right off after he drops his luggage off is find the nearest coffee coffee house the nearest Starbucks and then in the morning, it's like his body can't be like he has to have it. So before we even get you anything for this convention center, and I can't find him. He's buying coffee my rich day. My work day is from 6:05 to 11:05 every day. Okay. Yeah, like start my work day with a shot. You know what I'm saying? And then I am my Worth a shot. They're just kind of different kinds of shots. But in the morning, it's not I can't drink Starbucks Coffee. It smells so gross. It smells like a bodily function that I'm not mention here when I drink coffee at McDonald's, but I also put half a bottle of creamer in it too. So, you know, you're you don't like the taste the coffee coffee drinker good car for like the face see I I think Starbucks is too bitter for me. I don't like it. Yeah. It's an acquired taste. I think so anyway go out today rich and you can get free coffee. Yeah. Well you could order the she she who I don't know and I always get it wrong if you want me to pick it up so you don't drink a lot a just give me a break off until you know, your parents are coffee drinkers, right? We we got our daughter a a play K-Cup machine because she likes to put the pods in for us. So we got her like I don't know if it's like wage. Price of one of them has an actual Keurig that like a play Keurig and she puts her own breakfast blend in the mix and coffee and everything. It is kind of messed up right off probably financed by you know, sixteen copies, at least that's my vice and it's not like hey took School roll-your-own joint or something just gave the marijuana stores of green but last year last year. I bought a pack so Duo so it was a glass carafe on one side. And then the other side was four pods the craft broke. We couldn't find a replacement carafe cuz this course is a special buy one get one Keurig was out of stock couldn't replace it 2 months go by so you only did they sent us their brand new top-of-the-line just released Keurig machine dead. Retails for over two hundred dollars for free. Wow, they said are sorry that happened you here's a new machine. That's great. You drinking coffee? I drink coffee every day. I just drink a lot of vanilla creamer good customer service. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So the CDC recently issued a list of activities centered around Thanksgiving in the holiday season and they rank them into three categories low risk moderate risk and higher risk because of course we want to try and prevent the spread of covid-19. they they suggest that you have your Thanksgiving dinner outside. Have you been to Chicago in November or New Jersey or live? We bought heat lamps like the professional-grade restaurant quality heat lamps. Yeah, I recommend everyone do it where my daughter's birthdays in November and we are having her party Outdoors. We have the two of them and they heat it up. But yeah, I mean, I don't see how you could possibly have Thanksgiving out there have a patio or anything or just sitting outside. Yeah. It's a patio off. Which was what do you mean? No? No, it's not. No. No, no just it's an outdoor patio and then we have the two heat lamps and we crank them the kind that like if you're in Vegas and you're eating out there across things and I bought four of them can be put on the pool. Yes, the one that's exactly what we did God. Yeah. That's what we do too. Yeah. Oh, sorry Georgian, you know the pool guys are going to talk for a minute. We rented them for a daughter's wedding. So that's a good idea. Maybe I don't want to buy maybe I'll rent him. The only thing is if it's below forty degrees. They don't do anything. Not much. You got sit down Chicago in November, you know, there's a feet of snow on the ground sometimes. Well, he's right behind us. He's got yeah, he's a little bit Jersey gives a little bit less snow though. It depends. It depends on the situation some years. It's really bad other years. Nothing, you know, some people are going through because horrible here, but then there are other people say, oh, you know, what's the buzz about winter? I mean, you know, we're at the beach and we're surfing and I got a friend that lives in Hawaii and he calls me everyday and perhaps Yeah, I'm good for him. So Macy's is known around Thanksgiving to have the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade or as we called in my house the Macy's day parade and is an annual tradition that I've never missed once in my entire life watching it on T watching it. Yeah, so this year this year my husband and I had booked hotel rooms. We were going it was going to be a big deal and now there's not a parade but they are going to do it just for TV and instead of people handling the blondes they're going to have machines home balloons. And so the president of Macy said look we can't do the Traditions the way that we normally do the Traditions what we're going to do them. Anyway, we're going to do some things locally. You're going to see some things in your town and I think that that's something that our retail listeners you to hold on to just because there's a pandemic you still need to do things for the holidays right wage. Just what we were talking about just because it happens. Don't stop right. In fact as push it harder, you know, the one holiday we didn't talk about was Halloween and I just wonder you know, a lot of the decisions I think based at that. The CDC is is coming out with and I'd be interested to see what what happens when it comes to December what they say. Yeah. I think a lot of it also money-driven hate to be the conspiracy theorist. You're right A lot of it has to do with money and or at least its perspective. Yes from a retail perspective off and I don't know I feel like the Halloween industry is kind of getting gypped here a little bit because the CDC guidelines made it really difficult for people to be like now, I was of the impression the Holloway. I don't understand why you can't do that. You're outside. I do understand going door-to-door. You can't do it there. When you are you are I mean here the secrecy said that you know going door-to-door trick-or-treating they do not think is is good. Well what we're doing here most people are putting their going to answer the door. They're going to sit outside and the candy will be in a bucket will get the candy is wrapped the kid gets there can't be they go home, Mommy and Daddy can wipe it off you have no they say that if you're going to have any kind of any kind of contact with a mask like a, you know, a real mask. So if you're around people for 15 minutes or longer wearing a mask, and someone has call when you are exposed whether you have a mask or not. So easy to a party you go to somebody's house for dinner you go to a restaurant you got a mask on your screwed but Halloween you run to get the candy and they run So what we're taking we're taking a mind trick or treating. It's a big deal. I think Halloween Halloween should've it's a second biggest retail holiday. I think they should have pushed back more. I agree. And I think that it's like a holiday that you actually can get away with right now without really changing all that much. I mean like you said just be creative sit outside with the candy like or make little, you know, we might make little baggies that you could put in like on a tray. So you're not like leaving all the candy out, but you know, something like that. Yeah exactly something simple. So I'm not going to be able to give out my annual hamsters, you know, I used to get off. Oh my gosh Trimec crabs at the New Jersey Shore. Everybody just gets a hermit crab. My brother once went to that. He's my brother wants to went to the Jersey Shore when he was like seven years eight years with like a friend came back with a hermit crab. I thought my mom was going to kill him know kid no cage. No feet just the hermit. Crab who used to call Sam crabs are the ones that you see that you see the little hole in the bubble. You dig them up in there. Yeah, you know, okay so s'morning Amazon introduced Amazon one. Now what that does is it connects the palm of your hand to a stored credit card. So you can place your hand above a sensor to enter Amazon go off by items check out free and they plan to introduce that to other retailers and maybe even places like offices and stadiums in the future. This probably comes back cuz they're Amazon store where you can just pick the product out put it in a bag and walk out and it's automatically tab to your bill. It's because that's a lot cheaper way to to use that technology. I mean just a little more convenient or should I instead of an amp you gotta have something in your hand? Okay cheaper. You know what I go to I'm a Catholic kid, man. I went to Catholic school here and I can think of. You can't hear me now. We are there you are. I said, I'm a Catholic kid. I went to Catholic school and all I can think of them. When we would read about the mark, they would put on your body and it sometimes some point in time. You couldn't buy anything unless you had the mark. I use in my hand print. You know, I'm not going to be arrogant enough to think of the outside chance. It was I don't know. What's what's the difference between that and your phone number is for your phone. I mean cuz I did with my face. I mean I do I do that opens up your Apple wallet. I don't use apple wallet. I'm old and Catholic and I know it's going down a rabbit hole that's got a million opinions. Yeah that you know, the first thing I think of I know I know I know you're okay. So speaking of Amazon will be getting fan mail for that one wrong with you. Nothing Amazon jobs. Also announced that Amazon Prime day, which is there usually is in July, but they didn't do it July because of the pandemic so they could make any money. So now they're going to do it two days this year on October 13th and five fifteens too big days were if you're an Amazon Prime member you get even better deals. So because of that we know that Black Friday is no longer the kickoff now to Holiday 2020. It's going to happen in October and retailers need to be ready. Yeah. I don't know Amazon Prime days is good, you know for for something Dealers usually what I just get is like if you want like a meat thermometer. It's like 50% off. It's always like whatever's The Bargain Bin, you know, what they they do an incredible job capturing what I call First. Our business and they do take a lot of money out of the economy. So and you know, if you're not fighting against that and and I don't know how a retailer really adequately wage against that but I'd find a way so Target Target also announced it on those same days, October 13th and 14. They're kicking off targets deal days. It's a storewide promotional event, and it's also expanding Black Friday pricing for the whole of November October November promising Shoppers nearly 1 million dollars more in deals than they had last year. They're upping staff that distribution centers. They are going contactless in the stores from when you order online and pick up in store. They're kicking off holiday deals earlier than ever and they're letting guess know that they don't need to wait or face crowds to get the best deal. So you are the deals available in the store as well. So I could I could buy it like I'm going to the store I can buy it and pick it up or I can buy it. Yes, they're taking it off earlier this year. It is Target, you know, I mean, we always talk about it Walmart will be right behind them. They will be they will be and and so you know, what on Amazon Prime days you should deal with independent retailer. You should do a special sale in your store to a percentage off and you should advertise it and make a big deal about it because you want to you want to get your fair share of that wage, you know Amazon a lot in independent stores and traditional retailers, but I do a lot of things on Amazon. I'll tell you the things that I buy on there. My dog just passed away this week before she did she had cancer and so we had to dress a tumor on her stomach three times a day. So I needed we needed an endless supply of gauze and vet wrap and then we would wrap that with disposable dog diapers also got class cloth ones and I just had that reoccurring when we would run out of something. I hit the button on Amazon and it would be here the next day. So things like that. I'm I'm by my arthritis close earlier I needed it shows up. I bought curtains yesterday. I knew exactly what I wanted curtain wise. And I knew that in order to buy it here. I'd have to go to 14 stores because every store that carries draperies here is out of stock and you got to order it online, but I'm not you know, Amazon just got into designer fashion complete luxury goods where you can buy. You know, I don't know what what brands they are, but maybe Gucci and you know, I can't see people who spend three thousand four thousand dollars on Hancock and dresses orders on Amazon. Can you but they have the whole policy right the ship it back you can ship it back the next day or whatever and what do they clean these things? Like may have a really good cleaning policy has the the fun about buying something that's absolutely designer and not that I know cuz I don't I have one designer handbags everything that's designer is going to the store and and seeing the goods and the luxury and how you're treated and here's a glass of champagne or you know a bottle of sparkling water and we're going to wrap it off your paper and you know, the whole thing not pressing a button online to it show up at your house. Yeah, but then like the websites like the Rent the Runway and now block bath Attacks and others like they kind of took that I guess I don't know it kind of changed everything because yeah, I know it's a different customer but but it's a young a customer I think and then maybe people who don't necessarily want to buy it. Obviously, maybe they're just using it for an occasion. And that's the same thing Amazon is like renting Amazon luxury as you purchased the goods. Oh, it's oh you purchase it. Oh, okay. I thought it was competition to like a Rent the Runway. Oh, okay. It's competition for specialty and department stores. You know, I don't really get that then. You know what we talked about all the big all the time. I mean everybody wants to talk about the big guys and how they're using the internet and inventive things that they can do and big bucks spent to get Megan's dollars, but you know what there's that one thing that we really owe to our our world. Our world is is that the street retailer the regular retailer that doesn't have those big bucks off tolston have the ability to you know, slam millions of dollars of product and then shoot it out the back door. And you know what George we used to create programs. We have thousands of them that retailers can introduce that are by all means off the chart successful and and we we have not been telling a lot of people about that and wage. I mean, I think we've got samples we've got everything that they can do and and and I that's the problem. The reason I bring this up is because all morning long. I've been in conversations with dead. About Walmart and Target and Amazon and and what they do and how they do it why it's so successful. And and now I'm just starting to think to myself. You know, what there's a there's a segment out there. That would somehow some way somebody should reach and say you know what let's let's let's take that that street retailer and share with them. Incredibles strategies that costs less than nothing and let them take a you know, take their fair share of the marketplace up. It's always like, you know shop the big guys and then come on down town make me second. I don't want to be second. Sometimes I'll be first that's why we have small business Saturday and that's why we have people like Kaiser and Bender who can help independent retailers with all of their birth of their sales needs. And and if you go to our if you go to our website, you can find videos on how to compete during the holidays, right? We should we we need to do push for that for Holiday twenty-twenty. You know what and I didn't say that to be a plug honestly I did but what I saying is when you were talking about, you know, some of the things the big people are doing, you know, what I was thinking about I was thinking about scan and when which is probably the greatest promotion you and I ever put together I was thinking about that because we blew out the big guys on that wage. We did we did so, you know, I think that there comes the time that maybe we should I'm just saying it's now because I think if if everybody thinks it's important my gosh give us a call, but we should probably do something to get some of those things out. I'm not trying to get business. Honestly. I'm trying cuz it'd probably be no charge for it. But you know, it just went off. I'm just giving things away today. It's free coffee day. So rich is going to give whatever excuse every single way all because I thought so we'll we'll work on that. Here's the thing the national retail Federation also came out this week and noted that November is historically the most popular month to start holiday shopping song Spike concerns related to the coronavirus 43% of holiday Shoppers surveyed by the natural National National Retail Federation this year saying they're waiting until November to start buying for the Sea Shack. And a majority of those 59% plan to shift more of their shopping online compared with last year according to their annual consumer holiday survey. Of course, they are so too are listeners. You've been selling online. You've been doing buy online pick-up curbside. You've been doing Facebook lies keep that up because we've been saying this all along have a brick-and-mortar store and you have a click and mortar store and online business and you certainly will have that through holiday season. There's no reason why you know for the Independence that created their own stores online maybe for the first time we're doing this for the first time and competing during Black Friday, or or maybe it's not Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Right? Right. I mean for sure but what the other stores are doing, right? They're they're spreading that out. Maybe I know it says that that people are starting in November. I I think to what you just said, maybe people are going to start thinking more in October now and doing some more shot. There's no reason why you can't get out of that bubble of of November. But also like what do they do during Cyber Monday? And what do they do on Amazon? They have like time Windows of when certain things are on sale and they make a gamify the experience for the Shopper. There's no reason why you can't do that. For example, you know some reason why they can't do that. Are you make your phone? Just so you know, Amazon Prime days and targets promotional days are going to be October 13th and 14th. Thanksgiving is on the 26th of November. Last Friday is on November 27th small business. Saturday is on Saturday September 28th, Cyber. Monday is on Monday November 30th, and I want to give you one more date my birthday. Yeah, your birthday the biggest shopping day of the year for the last the last ten years has been the Saturday before Christmas. So this year that Saturday is Saturday December 19th, cuz you guys I got to tell you. I know you buy the gifts and your plan early and you start in October. I got news for you. I don't do that. I do all my shopping closer to the holiday. I do my shopping in stores. I might buy some things online. And if I do that I go to QVC to do that kind of thing, but I'm not going to be out on October 13th and 14th. I don't care how good your sale is because me, I'd rather Christmas gift and then tell you about it or I would lose it. So make sure you keep doing things store in the actual holidays cuz there's still going to be a lot of people like me. I know I'm not alone. Maybe a little less this year. We'll see. I don't know cuz I I normally thought that too but I'm I'm already thinking like shipping time and all those things and with delays on shipping. I think people are going to be thinking early this year. I don't know. That's just what I think I will be I will be at the local store. You're going to be going to the store. I will be going to the store. You know, what unless it gets so horribly bad that everything shut down again, and I can't leave my house if I can safely leave my house and go to the app store. I'm going to a store, you know, the shutter down there possibly shutting down New York this week blank out. Like actually shutting down parts of the of the city. There was an outbreak in Brooklyn. So that's why I'm hopefully optimistic, but I think I'm realistically pessimists horrible that makes sense in Chicago today. They opened up they opened up a restaurants and dining inside further off. So I guess it just depends on where you live. But if I can go to a store I'm going to a store and if I'm a grocery store retailer, I'm going to have some nice displays of hot items off from people to buy but you know, normally I don't normally I don't expect to find in a grocery store. What do you mean like a like a rotisserie thing for the grill? And no, thanks. I know I might have you know. Some selection of nice gifts for women nice gifts for men. I might have you know pre-wrapped get I guess I'm going to think of the things that you sell in a drugstore or grocery store. And make it more geared to gifts. Other than that one seasonal aisle that's going to go into, you know, we used to do a department store business. We used to buy for $0.55. We used to suck scatter pins. You know that your PIN you would for a small gift box put a $3.99 mark from five bucks. / 399 home and watch em, I mean I used to say problem Hai Watch em fly bang bang bang and go and we were making good money on that. So we would need to look for the The 20/20 equivalent of what happened when dinosaurs were scatter pins Jason doesn't you know, she's like this so I got you this month. If you were going to department store, you know those tables in the aisles that have like scatter pins on them and bracelets and watches sure, you know, cigar Cutters and crap. Okay, those are cool and I saw post. Those displays make a ton of money and it's all the crap that nobody wants but it's people who shop at the very last minute and they don't know what to get. So they go to those tables. Yeah the boss buys my kids from little kids were trained to get away from those tables, by the way. On our retail Adventures blog right now. There is a whole thing for consumers on how consumers can save money during the pandemic. We usually do that once a year where we we give consumers tips to shop on Black Friday. Well, it's it's now because this past week I was interviewed on ktnv. That's the NBC affiliate in Las Vegas to talk about how people can save money during the pandemic. So we did it early this year. So there you go plug for me and that you should have those inexpensive things pre radicals things to make it easy. Thanks for people like Rich guys or who traditionally boss buys me. What is on the table at the gas station? You got a a cache of like a little money clip. I already got a gift. I already got a gift color-coordinated bobby pins so that you know, if you're wearing a red top you can put the red pin in your head. That would be very kind. I know I thought I was going to ask why would you get each other but I didn't want to ruin the surprise. You know, my weird Christmas object ritualize gives a a lovely gift. We serve as secretary and she would say to him Rich stop by and George and get that off is around you go. What's that? She goes? She hates knickknacks. She hates stuff that you just put places drives me crazy. So tell me like what give an example Give an example, but he's going to show you the goodshit that sensor wrong. Okay. So one year, I got a A beautiful Tiffany cut glass paperweight when you're I got an obsidian egg one year. I got a notice that you didn't give me the golf ball and I just had to dig it off. The page says I got that from Kevin Butler the Chicago Bear who gave that to me and Kevin Matthews golf outing with my golf ball. I gave you. You never gave me a golf ball game with riches holding up riches holding up a a clear a clear cube with a golf ball in it that he is claiming was golf was a hole-in-one golf boss gave to her. But when he got a hole-in-one it was you know, they gave this play with the golf ball in it, and I give that to you. No imparting the office. I'm am taking home Oh, I thought he gave that to you as a gift any woman would like a gift like this as well and looks like a a file full it was this was a trophy. It's a C8 500 from the craft and hobby Association. You are the biggest moron. They were blue breath into like picking up a paperweight and saying this is like a break during the fingerprints office. They're meritorious award by the way. Ucha the highest award bestowed to someone in the craft and hobby Association that they want. You can put a lovely bouquet in it one rose. No, Rich thought it was a a flower of Oz as he picked it up. I asked him when I got it. Where are the flowers Kaiser? You know you guys off when we did Richard Branson Jason and I two weeks ago did a webinar for a client and there are a lot of retailers on there who know us and not one of the evaluation said that I didn't give and she was disappointed that I was off my game because I didn't give Rich enough crap. I want to make sure it's under this. All right one more thing before we wrap it up. Here's what we're going to be shopping shopping for this year. Here's what RetailMeNot said when they serve it served survey 3412 consumers. They found out that 66% of consumers say they plan to spend the same amount of money or more this holiday in order to create a sense of normality and keep track. She's alive. What were the numbers see 6% of consumers said they plan to spend the same amount of money or even more this holiday to create a session normalcy and keep holiday traditions alive. That means that when somebody comes in to store their got that Target of 56% or whatever which means I spend about 68% off or so here you always over spent planning on keeping holiday traditions alive this year kids on to getting an executive dart board, Here's what consumers are buying this year 61% plan on purchasing Electronics 52% plan on purchasing clothing and accessories 33% plan on purchasing your shoes shoes 23% plan on purchasing jewelry and 18% plan on purchasing kitchen appliances, which I may say to both of you. If you ever buy your spouse, if you ever buy your wives a kitchen appliance or a vacuum cleaner prepare for the next phone call to be to the divorce attorney. I witnessed that in my own house the year my father bought my mother an Electrolux vacuum cleaner that he said was he was he was in love with it because he spent time with the door to door salesman and was impressed home and I thought my mother was going to throw him out the window. So just be aware that you presented you don't by the way. Those are fine vacuums truck don't care so that 18% of you who plan on purchasing kitchen appliances this year as Christmas gifts. Might as well buy a trophy that you thought was of Oz you'd be better. Was it was? Golf or golf balls in a cube pictures. I'm a what do you call it? A prepackaged or what? Is that where you just wrap it again and send it out. I'm sure you've never done that. I appreciate that. All right, Jason brings home best re-gift by the way ever was we used to do this at a place. I used to work was every year we would have one of those Yankee Ops and we the joke was to whoever got this one gift would always bring it back sort of a constantly staying circulation and it was a chicken that would just pop out of the box and saying hot hot hot bath and that's all it did. Yes. So it was always you just wish you would get that chicken. All right, this was fun. Thanks guys for the life's. Hope you guys have fun too. It's always fun for us and thanks for listening. Thanks for joining in we will do this again in in a couple of weeks and visit our retail Adventures blog and on the website wage. I Surrender. Com retail Adventures blog.com and you can listen to us wherever podcasts are broadcasted. We will see you guys next time. Take care. Bye everybody down here off.
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Thomas Saturday, joined the army on a whim, even though it mocked his brother Steve two years earlier when he joined after taking a road trip with a buddy who talked all about how great AIT was. He decided that he wanted to try out advanced infantry training for himself as it turned out, though it was way less cool than his buddy made it sound and in nineteen Eighty-six Saturday found himself driving armored personnel carriers in Germany, hated it, motor pool, Mondays, change the oil. You know, just maintenance maintenance, maintenance hated that lifestyle, but we had a Hungarian platoon sergeant or form hunger, join us army, and he knew the different schools in Germany that were available to us. So we were actually the first full platoon to go through French commando school together, kind of higher threat, kind of higher danger type stuff even though is just training. It was very cool. And then a German Rangers slot opened up and they were going to send a one of the officers from the battalion headquarters to it. And I kind of raised my I was like, why are we doing that? Why don't we send the best soldier? Whoever that may be Saturday beat out five hundred other soldiers in agreem- beret run competition and found himself in Germany. His trainer washed out after a few days, leaving Saturday, not only to fend for himself socially. There weren't any other English speakers in his class, but also when it came to passing the rigorous training tasks, they were assigned. I spoke a little bit enough to get a beer and find the bathroom in the train station, but we would stand around in this structure would tell all the students, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah all in German, of course, and they would take off running and I'm standing there looking at these stricter who they all like me because they got to mess with me a lot, you know. And he would look at me and laugh and just stand there with arms crossed and look at his watch and point to it. It say, twenty minutes hide, no find. And I'm like, I think I got it. I found a big brush pile. I climbed down to the very. That huge. I mean, huge brush pile logs and limbs, and leaves and whatnot. And I fell asleep and I think three hours later I woke up to whistles orange blowing, and, and I was like, oh, no, what's it? And I climbed out and they were looking for me. I fell asleep in there couldn't find me. So they were trying to hunt me down and they didn't get those instructions. If you hear the whistle or the horn come in, you know, and I was like, I just had to guess what that was, and that's kinda how it went the whole way it we're fed based on their ability to ambush. A convoy dinner was in the trucks, and if they successfully took the convoy and the soldiers of the convoy didn't take it back, they could eat what they caught. Otherwise, it was Nedal tea and snails Saturday had a lot of both for dinner, but the experienced stoked, his interest in the special forces. So instead of following through with his plan to cash out after four years, he headed to Fort Bragg with an eye on becoming a green beret while I was in language school for months of Persian Farsi on for brag. I was approached by two guys from the qualification cores. That were already in the unit. They were already in delta and they said, hey, we think you have what it takes. You should try out for the unit on my. Okay, that sounds cool. And I mean, that was literally the thought I put into it. Yeah, I wanna do that. That's cool. I'll do this. I put in for selection for the unit. The unit was first special forces, operational attachment, delta. One of the most elite fighting forces on the planet training isn't just physically rigorous. That's to be expected. It is psychologically rigorous. You wouldn't have made it this far if you couldn't follow waters, but can you function without orders or context? Can you be alone? Can you make a plan and change it on the fly? It's kind of funny, but those already were the components of Saturday's military career. He wasn't attached to plants and living in isolation, but still among people in the German Rangers school gave him a sense of how to get to the meat of mission. Even when the details were cloudy, Saturday knew he could take anything but getting kicked out of the school that he couldn't do it for as long as was. Needed, but he lived in terror of having this opportunity taken from him of being told that he wasn't working hard enough that he wasn't a guy for the job that he couldn't cut it. You don't know. You're gonna make it ever until they tell you, you made it. It's literally set up where you get in the back of a truck. You go to the barracks. You go to the mountain or they drop you off the always separate you immediately. If you get pulled or you cut you quit, they pull you out. They put you in a different barracks. Somebody else goes and gets your bag. So whenever you go back to the barracks and there's somebody's bunk as empty. Oh, wow. Then you start seeing chairs disappear. Bunks cleaned off all the gears gone and you never see that person again. So you never know. It's, it's scary. You go back and you see people you thought were really, really kicking ass and you go back and they're gone and you're like, well, if he can't make it, it's just a matter of time for me. You know, I had such reverence for a lot of these guys who were already SF and Rangers. See those bunks empty and I'm like, oh my God. It's gonna be me next Wenham I going to get pulled or quit, you know, and you don't know till later, don't really pull people until the last four or five days of selection. They don't really cut anybody. Most people quit until they pulled me back in after the board. And even then they're like, you know, certain Saturday, you're young AmeriFactors you're really young. One of the youngest, one of the younger guys. We've had come through selection mmediately. I felt defeated because some guys going through selection with me at told me, hey, you're young. I was young when I went through the first time, don't be surprised that they go out for couple of years, gives me experience a comeback, and I'm like, oh, no, I would never do this again. So when he started his sentence off with that when they pulled me back in the board, I was I was defeated instantly inside and then he said, but we think you have what it takes to be a good. Good NCO. So welcome to the unit. I was so that I mean, literally up until the last second surprise life in the unit was a little intimidating at first Saturday figured everyone was better at everything than he. Was there were no accolades. No Atta boys excellence is the standard and pretty much all this accepted. When you retire from the unit, you get a small wooden triangle Platt that says banks and by then that's the most you expect. It's not a job you do for money or for glory or for Fain it's a job you do because you wanna do it throughout the summer of nineteen Ninety-three Saturday watched the peacekeeping mission in Somalia. Start to slide into chaos. Mohammed was trying to consolidate power using starvation to bring the populace to heal. He's keepers head started coming under more regular attacks. Marine started dying, and the decision was made that special forces would go in with the aim of taking out a deed in his power structure. The hope was that it would at least get negotiations back on track. It was really hot. I remember that and it was raining a lot when we got there. But other than that, it was just kind of like, okay, what do we do now? You know? So we start doing signature floods, maybe twice a day flying around the city. With our full complement of people kind of let them know were there. And that way. Like I said, we did get a mission. We would be flying think, oh, they're just doing the same thing. And then we could Bank and turn go and hit a target. The special forces mission primarily was to grab up members of deeds administration and to capture or kill is fighting forces where possible. It was emission with a pretty pointed goal, bring deed in or bring him back to the bargaining table. The difficulty was that a deed knew he was being hunted, which made him and much of the rest of his ministration difficult to find when Saturday and the rest of the special forces team got their first taste. It was the beginning of chase that would last through September. Remember, general garrison coming out, giving us a briefing talking about this and that sing. God bless America, and I was like, oh, this is what we're gonna do this. My very first combat mission and filled in in a Blackhawk. I was the first guy down the road on the number one guy I go. Running for the door on the roof. I hear some shots fired. I found out later some Rangers maybe shooting at one of our guys at a different building who thought was a bad guy or something, but that got me amped up immediately. Oh bullets. Okay. It's on as I'm running across the rooftop. I'm getting ramped up and all these intente wires. It's just this like running faster and faster, and they're tightening and tightening and get halfway down the stairs, and they stopped me. I mean, I'm just caught up in these wires and I'm like, all right, I had. I had to fight my way through them. Get him off me climb through it and then getting turned the corner. The second landing going down to the second floor of the house, and I got my shotgun. I'm sitting here holding that section down to the second floor landing where the team behind me and a guy pops out the door in his underwear, and I'm looking at him and I don't know why of never been trained this, but I yelled freeze motherfucker or die. No one's ever taught me that. And the guy probably didn't speak English anyway, and he just went running back into the room in the shock of what was his first encounter with a potential hostile Saturday had the presence of mind not to shoot the unarmed man. He trained his shock on the wall behind the door in case the Somali stuck out a gun around the corner and told his team, the situation and let them take the guy down. Once they had him Saturday gave into his snap decision. Impulse took over running and I was going from room to room CQ being by myself with my team leader, Jason me trying to grab me to stop me. I'm just running in rooms and clearing the room all by myself. Never taught that as well a. So my very first, I was kind of a loose cannon doing my thing. Just run around trying to get some and he finally got a hold of me stop. You gotta stay with the team. That's not what we're supposed to do. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got that on my system, you know. So a good confidence target, nobody got killed and we rolled everybody up and. And we left and we were high five. And this kind of the way it went for most of the hits. You know that first house that they rated ended up being a UN property, which caused a little bit of a dust up, even though the people, the special forces guys turned over worse, stealing things as the Intel suggested they weren't with the deed, but the move up the ante obit and removed all the pretense about whether or not the hunt for deed was genuine Saturday, and the other special forces in Rangers continued to harass deeds power structure conducting hits, fainting attacks, and succeeding almost without effort time. And again, after the first raid Saturday, understood that rushing in wasn't just foolhardy. It was ineffective knowing that when you do it right, you can clear rooms and buildings faster locked him into following that rule without question, snap decisions and going with the flow had favored him so far in his career, and there was no reason to believe they wouldn't continue to serve him. But that didn't mean he couldn't learn from his mistakes still as they. Succeeded easily mission after mission. The special forces soldiers developed a confidence that eventually became something that looked a little bit more like overconfidence. I remember being excited about dinner, and that's funny thing when you're combat or living overseas, the things that motivate you like a good dinner or day off doing nothing other than maybe getting mortared and I saw people were starting to stir little bit, so that was my cue, go get it on and just throwing my kit, grab your guns. And that's the day I grab my m four instead of my shotgun and I don't know why I just changed weapons. So we pick up. We fly along the ocean. We turn into the city and right on infil. You know, it's different. There's smoke starting to go up in the streets. There was a couple of PG's launched of the year immediately, which was very weird soon as we're going on a target where mealy getting shot at the Brown out from all the dust from the birds going in with so thick that. My Blackhawk could not infil were supposed to. So we infield outside of the ranger blocking positions. And then I think I heard on the radio that somebody had fallen in finding out that was Blackburn Prevot Blackburn had fallen ninety feet, miss the rope, fill out. I don't know why. So there goes the plan right there. Now we gotta use vehicles to take him back immediately. So now there's already one thing on the plan. Like the ones that preceded it was simple and inform and let them know the top local warlords would-be meeting in a house in that neighborhood and Mark the house for the Rangers and special forces to find the Rangers would set up around the area and Saturday, and the rest of the deltas would swoop in grab up the targets and roll them out and trucks to be interrogated. The entire exercise was only supposed to take about an hour even though they lost some of their truck support when they said the injured Blackburn back to base and they landed outside the Rangers blocking zone. Saturday still was confident that he and the others would be eating barbecue and laughing over combat story. Is right on time. Of course, it would be almost another twenty hours before they made it back to base and no one would feel much like celebrating. You know what's not smart job sites that overwhelming with tons of the wrong resumes, but you know what is smart? ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash this war. 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They come into your the nearest house. They put the family safely away and made a plan to catch up with the others. They would fight their way up the street to the part of town. The Rangers were blocking off. They would take the house and the d. loyalists into custody and beyond their way. And even though there had been that delay as they took the house down, everything still was on schedule, we ended up entering the target building and help flex cuffs out of the people that were in there, put them in a room, separated them. We start searching for weapons and money in until and I'm asking some the guys. Okay. There's a safe in here who's got the combo. So he's got to give it up. Somebody finally spoke English and gave me the combo open it up. It was full of money, but you know, some Ali money probably wouldn't worth anything. I'm gonna ex-villa with his money and turn it in, you know, and I got a huge garbage bag full of money. We're still joking about. I'm like, I hope we make dinner. Wonder what's for dinner. Can't we get back for dinner? I mean, we don't have our knife vision of any water. Literally was going to be a one, our mission, and we're still on track for that. You know, we're still in check to get out of there. Even though things have happened, we're still on track to get out of there outside the fighting has intensified. One of the five ton trucks has been hit by a rocket propelled grenade so they load the prisoners into another. Then the hell that has been building over the last few seconds. All breaks loose Garza leaning up against the gate. I got my second cash. We're joking about getting out of there, and then I hear our PG's flip and detonate and I looked up and I see a helicopter kind of spinning at control off to the northeast. And I was like, ooh, that can't be good at all, you know. And then we kind of knew this was plans going to change. And as we're sitting there, there's a ranger, landed up against that middle gate kinda just looking at everybody in the room. You know, just taking a breather his neck explodes somebody shot through that gate and hit the side of his neck. It looked. It looked like old neck, exploded, man. I mean, basically end up sticking his hand, all they wrapped it up and threw him in the convoy from. They're the race was on Saturday, and the rest of the contingent started sprinting toward the crash site racy against hundreds of armed Somalis who were firing will. There were about nine Americans six on Saturdays team in three more Rangers, and it's important that you get the scope of this running through a town where nearly every inhabitant wants to kill you. The US had been in Somalia on this peacekeeping mission for more than a year. But since August, what had been intermittent violence had started boiling up and there had been civilian casualties. So the mob they were racing wasn't just comprised of deed fighters. Loyalists it included some molly's who genuinely wanted blood and revenge. This quickly was becoming a battle wear in women and children as well as livestock all became combatants for the first time. The US soldiers started looking a little vulnerable and I remember friend of mine a plump down on the corner with him. I looked up the street and there's this donkey in the Millstreet, pulling a cart, and he's not. Moving now I looked underneath the donkey and there's there's feet. I'm like, shooting the donkey donkey falls three guys behind it with guns sitting or standing like now, shoot the guys with guns. You know, because they're hiding behind these animals. They were using everything that could to get closer to us and get at us. And I look across the street and I see Earl shooting up the street. I look back up the street. I engage up the streets more. When I look back it was that that short amount of time two guys were dragging Earls body into one of the buildings had been shot right in the head. Then it hit me. Anger said in paperback mode switched on and selective far button. You know, in my brain was no longer selective. It was more suppressive fire. I realized that plastic helmets weren't a good idea and the tiny kevlar at sewn for myself wasn't a good idea and that this shit's real. It became real in the invincibility factor went away immediately and I. Had a lot of fear flood my body. You know what I mean? I felt fear flood my body like, wow bullets. Go both ways. And that's that's the moment that I realized that I could die, you know, versus we're untouchable. We're invincible. I literally maybe that fear flooding my body and then I just drove on, keep going Earl Fillmore death hit home with Saturday as much because he was a fellow special forces operator as anything else. But the fear that came with it was more than just Saturday registering his own mortality. All they needed was time luck clearly already was on their side and as the mission to grab up ranking. Indeed, loyalists morphed into a rescue mission. Things only got worse. The plan was to recover all the bodies and rescue anybody who was alive and get out of there mmediately. Once we got there, we found out that the two pilots have been thrown through the windshield. And when it flipped the, the weight of the helicopter landed on. Both or upper bodies so we couldn't get them out. We couldn't dig him out, couldn't we couldn't move the helicopter? So we were there the entire night waiting on a convoy vehicle to get to. So we can pull the Hilliker frame off the bodies and get the bodies out of there. So we weren't going to leave without him with the militias and mobs descending on their position and know ETA for the rescue convoy Saturday in the eight other soldiers needed a new plan, become endeared, a house, move the family to a room in the center where they would be least likely to catch an errand round and set up to guard the wrecked helicopter across the street. In a reinforcements famously because of radio delays and local road blocks, the rescue convoy continuously was lost and route to the crash. It was up to the soldiers to hold out until help arrived, and they were prepared to do that until the last man there were two windows in that bedroom. One you could see up street to the west with enemy. We're coming at us from and the window I was sitting on a bed at bars on the window and shutters. I had the shutters open and three feet away was another window. Another house with wooden shutters shut would take five through that every in you'd hear voices in that house. Again, men talking and not just our shooting shutters and then you know, you'd hear him take off running. And then at one point I'm just sitting there and I heard this clicking and dragging noise clicking and dragging and it's dark, and I see this Smalley unlike a man dress with his AK on all fours and hit the weapon of front of him and then scoot up on it, and I'm looking guys creeping up on me. So I get my Ford to shoot him. He's about four, five feet back down this little alleyway working his way to my window and I can't get the weapon because the bars on the window I'm like, oh, here's an opportunity. Use my my pistol. Finally, so pull my pistol as a forty five, stick my arm through the bars, pull the trigger in the hammer falls halfway and all the sand from the rotor wash that was in. It wouldn't let the hammer fall the way I couldn't shoot him. The pistol didn't work. I didn't have time to clean it. He was it was coming up. This all happened in the span of less than a minute. Pull out of Austrian grenade. It's smaller versions almost a toy, but it's not, you know, I pull the pin and I show it to the guy in the doorway looking out the window and he's shaking and said, no, no. And I'm like, I'm not not in my head like, oh, yeah, this is adamant motherfucker. And he backs into the hallway. I stick marm out the window and drop it. And as I'm looking at an angle, you can see his head. I see the grenade his head and he looks up in the rolls down in this net caller, you know, I just laid over sideways on the bed and went off and just spray the ceiling with him and sand, and it broke all the glass NFL on the bed on me and all the glass out of this little hutch that was in the bedroom as well. And and I was like, oh shit. I smelled burning hair like man. That was crazy. People came running in the room like, fuck us that. And I don't know why I like, oh, the flashbang mass cool. You instantly think you're in trouble for doing something. Especially when you take another person's life, you're like, shit. I'm in trouble like not knows a flash bang and guy in this door points because now he's lying. That was a grenade and I'm anything I snapped out of it. I'm like, you're right. That was a fucking grenade. See this guy out here and they're looking out. There's a guy with like, have his neck, his heads land dealer side. He's doing those throws outside the six little birds. We're providing what support they were able. The helicopters could prevent more fighters entering the area, but identifying individual targets around the crash zone it self was nearly impossible, especially given that the ranger and special forces positions were in flux. But things got Harrier. They had to make some tough choices like blowing up the house next door. They put grease pencil Mark on the windshield. So there's no aiming device and they're very good at it. And if they hold their head right spot and they stared that grease pencil circle that the drew on the windshield of their of their helicopter. If the grease pencil marks there, that's where the rockets are going danger, close everyone. Get to the center of the building. Okay, because they're in the house next door. Okay. So we all kind of claps to the center of the building and hunker down rockets. You know, many guns going off the brasses hitting the roof and phone around, and you can hear hitting the rockets blowing up next next door to you, and then they aren't. They take off and they go by man. That's some sketchy shit, but those guys are good, and that's how the soldiers were to spend the evening in near constant chaos with small breaks of silence before things got worse, and it seemed as if they were getting worse all the time. Allnight picking our house apart with RPG's. You know, the hit one corner. My buddy came in, sat down on the bed. Looking out the window. I walked across the room. It was standing at the doorway. I turned around to ask him if he wanted me to take his canteen filled up with that pipe that was dripping water out of the wall. And just in their room explodes, there's a rocket red thing flying around the room at the time. I didn't know what it was and I was in shock. Now there's a big hole in our building, and I could see the crash site through the hole in the wall in the rooms full of smoke. And then the shock were off and I and I screamed RPG and we're running into the room and shut the door to the bedroom because now it's fully exposed outside, and I'm thinking the next RPG could come straight to the living room. Now, you know, I saw glowing light underneath the door and I was like, oh, shit open the door. And the couches on fire. I found a flowerpot and I poured water on it and shut the door and go back out and like find something else filled up with water from the toilet or something and opened the door and hold my breath and go in there and pour water on the couch and come back out and throw up and then fill more water. Go back in. Repeat that process three or four times until I got that fire out as like this shit just doesn't end man shot at RPG's, and then the houses on fire at this point in his young career, Saturday had been through some of the toughest courses. The western military hats offer from French commando school through German ranger school in the special forces selection process, and he would need every ounce of knowledge and to learn some new things to get through the rest of the night. He fortified some of the rooms with mattresses in hopes that they would absorb the shrapnel from the RPG's. It was part of his character and also his training to improvise solutions to as many problems as a battle could throw at him. But when an RPG hit and the mattress did what he thought it would saving another soldier's life. It's still didn't bring him any satisfaction. It was little. He felt he wasn't prepared to handle or couldn't overcome. But among those was self-deception, the battle likely was going to end badly and it was time to face that fact. And make some decisions. Desparation started to haunt me. It was relentless attacks running out of ammo at one point. I had my knife out. I was down to like ten fifteen rounds, and I had a knife out and I'm like, well, I had resigned myself to the fact that I was probably going to die as some point that night when you can hear the gunfire of the convoy, this trying to get to you booming through the city, and then you hear gunfire going back. And I remember asking my team leader, do you think they're gonna make it? And his answer was, I don't know. All right. And I thought, you know what? This is it. I'm going to take many of them with me as I can. You know, I'm going to do as much damage as I can possible, and then that'll be it. And then hopefully somebody remember what I did hear, you know, I mean, I literally had that thought in my head like this is it do much damage as possible to Rangers had been hit and they were out of the fight. The team leader was wounded but still fighting and the entire group was suffering from exhaustion. Saturday recalls nodding off through RPG hits and trading spots all the time just to keep moving in stay awake sometime during the night they were resupplied. So he figured at least they would go out shooting. But as out metaphorically anyway, it is not always darkest before dawn about last dark. Some tenth mountain guys started pouring down the street. And then I started to hear the diesel engine of an armored vehicle, like holy shit. They made it, they made it here and then the tenth mountain guys were all over the place. That is the only indicator that I knew that we were getting out that they actually made it to us. And I had that feeling of comfort that there's a lot more people here. Now he wasn't a smoker, but Saturday tried to ban the cigarette as they loaded up the dead and wounded onto trucks for their return trip. The trucks have been picking up casualties. All. The way into town and as they prepare to leave, it became chillingly clear that here at ground zero of what would be called the biggest US military firefight since Vietnam Saturday, and some of the rest of the deltas Rangers and tenth mountain guys didn't have a ride home. Their battle wasn't over yet. No matter what you do in the bathroom to get ready Dollar Shave Club has everything you need to look feel and smell your best. They have amazing showers stuff, hairstyling products, toothbrushes, toothpaste. And of course razors and shaves applies. 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I saw a an attack helicopter like a patch year Cobra hovering in the sky often distance, and someone told me they were going to rock it, the body, the helicopter by that we left so nobody could get any parts off of it. So I stopped for minimum like, I'm gonna watch this. This'll be cool. You know, I don't know. I went back to that protected feeling, you know, like saw this tenth mountain guys armored vehicles, and I'm on my way out and he didn't shoot any rockets right away. And I thought, what am I doing this stupid? I turn everybody was going. I started. Running down the street west Moco should have. We should at least what did I do what what to do. And then right the in a guy jumps out of a little alleyway grabs me, pushes me, throws me in the alley way with the rest of my team was right as an RPG hits the wall outside. He didn't do it because of that, but he just timing was great. We finished our Mogadishu run. I remember getting back all the vehicles were in his intersection. The firefight continued throughout what would become known as the Mogadishu mile. And it only intensified once they started the final leg of their trip after reaching the vehicles. Saturday was with a mixed team headed for the airport travel kept his head down and the soldiers picked off fighters. They made their way back. Most of the other soldiers were bound for the Pakistani stadium, but a small contingent including most of the recovered bodies ended up at the airport, and we're going around all these barriers smoke burning tyres, trying to direct us until this guy don't. You stop drove straight through that shit. Don't you stop took us all the way back to the back gate of the. Which was a lot further away than the Pakistani stadium where everyone else went. I didn't know. I mean, I don't know, and we wait inside the gate and nobody came in. Our radios are dead. We can't call anybody. So we drove that five or seven mile loop around the airfield to get to our hanger. And that's when I realized the devastation I saw probably twelve US bodies laid out on the street next door hanger. One of one guy had an RPG sticking out of his side. He was sandbagged RPG didn't detonate. It was. He was shot so close. It was like a harpoon and so they sandbag that and get to take it out of him before you know, anybody could box his body up and I remember not looking at faces. I remember just looking boots and I could tell by the boots who was our guys who Rangers. And I was like, man, this is a lot worse worse. Here is a relative term setting aside the grueling night and the death injuries and narrow escapes. There always is the hope that you saw the worst of it. That your team was the one that had it the hardest after all, if that's true, more people are safe, then you originally feared. But as the evidence that as bad as it was in the house, it was worse in other houses and streets for other soldiers started to dawn on each of the survivors, a kind of numbness set in as the whole picture came into relief. And then as we turned into the internal area of our hangar where the vehicles parked all the home vs were shot up, there were just there parked spread out with sand and bleach and blood everywhere where they were trying to clean out the back because it kept bringing in the bodies from the convoy, and from you know, guys who wounded on their figure, the smell of bleach blood and sand mixed together in the morning sun heating of an, I'll never forget this Mel of just the blood in the back of all the humvees that were just so many bodies being hauled around, and it was so much blood. I couldn't believe how nasty it was and how how much there was. And that's when I decided we'd just start cleaning our weapons got more ammo. I didn't know what to do it and nobody was. I knew that now somebody told me there at the Pakistani student gonna come in on, there's people missing. We don't know everybody's at. I'm like, holy shit, you know? Yeah. So I just kind of armed backup. Got ready to go back out and waited. And finally, everybody started coming in and landing and helicopters coming in. And then we started watching the news and that's when we saw them and dragging bodies around and burning bodies and realize, wow, that's really worse than you. Then you have a magic, you know, it was a memorial service for the eighteen soldiers killed October third and fourth, and the soldiers starting doing what they could to make peace with it before heading home. But as it would turn out the total number of dead wood stretch to nineteen before sunset on October. Sixth, they've been mortaring us almost every night the whole time over there always around us. Never on top. They either got good or they got lucky, doesn't matter that one landed right in the doorway to the hangar basically almost landed on Matt Ryan gutter. Our unit doc are unison gutter commander, they'll never forget him screaming that night from the pain, you know. And then the calls out for blood donors for Matt because he was losing so much blood, it's horrible, horrible. Remembering that scream of grown man in so much agony, you know, nonstop. I remember covering my ears and curling up in a ball, laying the bunkers. Wishing it would stop because it moved everybody to the bunker, and I was just trying to get sleep and just had my ears covered because I could hear him screaming as they worked on him. A lot of the guys in his unit had been in the Gulf war, but this was Saturday's first combat deployment. The first time he had killed, had his life threatened had saw his comrades die or be maimed five years prior, he joined the army on a women risen through the ranks to join one of the MO. Storied units in the military only now, did he have the opportunity to learn one more lesson about the life of a warrior? I remember walking into my kitchen. I didn't talk to my wife at the time all the way home in the core. And I remember the shrink wrap before we left San PO calls room, hey, when you get home, don't be surprised if you have a breakdown sometime in the next month. You know you'll be you'll be wondering what it is. You'd be amazed at what happened, but don't be surprised. I'm thinking, what nutbag what's he talking about and walked into the kitchen after not saying a word all the way home, which is about thirty minute drive, maybe and we're, my wife is like, so what happened? Was it or something? And I looked at her and I just started balling. I couldn't even get it out. I could not get out what I was trying to say without balling and balling balling, and that lasted about maybe thirty minutes. And then I, you know, manned up in my mind. I manned up tucked it all away and went back, went back to business thing that went back to work the next day. Start cleaning my gear and just back to training, you know, there was, we did nothing special. I mean, we had memorials things like that, but a lot of those memorials at are taking place before we got home. A lot of the guys already Baird before we got home, Matt rash wasn't. I was on the color guard when I went home to his to memorial his hometown neveda, Iowa, and went to high school there and did a memorial for him, and I was in the color guard for that. That was horrible. That sucked into the gravesite. Yeah, that was it's not one of my favorite things to do is to look a Goldstar wife in the face shortly after husband's been killed his two little boys. Yeah, that'll never see their dad again. Saturday didn't have a mechanism beyond alcohol for dealing with it. So that was the first response getting back to work after all. He was a member of the US military elite, and he never knew when he would be called on again, but it wouldn't be long before. Oh, he was deployed in Bosnia, and then it was back to business as usual until September. Eleventh, two thousand one. Next time on this is war. Sadly partout. I go up to the cockpit, the pilot opens door and he's flying the planes looking over shows like, don't let anybody in your cockpit. Don't let anybody get out of seats. You stay up here. If if you can do that, yeah, okay. He has to do and it gets on the dismiss captain speaking. He goes, we've had two planes flying the World Trade Center. One, you know there's three or four more hijacked. Are you a combat veteran, or do you know one with a story to tell reach out to us at stories at this is war dot com with your dates and branches service as well as a brief description of the experience that you would like to share if you like to show you can help support us by visiting our sponsors or by leaving a five star review wherever you're listening right now, this is war was written by me, Anthony Russo and produced by incongruity media executive producer, Hernan Lopez for wondering.
Chris and Bridey Elliott on "Clara's Ghost"
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Mozilla, they have another podcast you might enjoy IRL by Mozilla. What happens on the internet used to stay on the internet? But these days online life is real life. Learn what this means for your life on our L by Mozilla available wherever you get your podcasts. Bullseye with Jesse thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by NPR. I'm Jesse thorn. This is bullseye. My guests this week, Chris and Brighty Elliott, our father and daughter, Chris is of course, Chris Elliott, the star of the film cabin boy a regular on. Everybody loves Raymond these days. One of the stars on the TV show. Shits S C H I T T S shits creek the man behind show many memorable late night with David Letterman characters the man who lives under the stairs. Chris Elliott junior the Morton Downey junior parody. And of course, his Marlon Brando impression in which he at one point dressed up as Marlon Brando held a bunch of bananas. And did a weird dance sort of princi- dance for a little while. We'll talk more about that later wouldn't wanna let that slide bias Brighty. Chris Elliott's daughter wrote and directed the new movie called Clara's ghost to combine rent. Now. It's. Family collaboration bridie also stars in the movie along Chris Friday sister, Abby, you might know film and television Gooding Saturday Night Live and her mother Paula and in its own way. It is also kind of a horror. It's the story of the Reynolds family who live in a secluded mansion in newly Chris's character Ted is the patriarch comedian whose past his prime his daughters worked in show business too. But like their dad their careers aren't exactly sparkling, then there's Clara played by Paula eligible Clara is not a and she also finds herself at the end of a lot of jokes her family movie takes place over one night Clara has discovered a ghost. But only she conceived and the ghost at least I kind of adopts a life coach role like in this scene from earlier in the the Reynolds family is eating dinner and Clara just broken nail. Oh god. Oh, wow. D-? What happen? Broken nail. Oh, your pinky. Now. Your coke nail my mom really enjoyed cocaine women in her day. She was a snowplow. It was advertised as a healthy alternative to alcohol, sweetie. I don't remember cocaine advertisement lettings funerals. You name the place. The woman at code got her face. Around her neck. Blanking. Bridie elliot. Chris elliott. Welcome to bullseye. It's nice to see. Thank you. Thanks for having. Yeah. Thanks, Jesse Brighty when you decided to make a film with your entire family. Did you set out to make deeply upsetting terrifying? Film. No, not really I knew I wanted to make something that was a comedy or something that was kind of failed as a comedy in was something else, which I thought was going to be inherent with all of us, and pointing the camera at my mom to kind of open that up. I think so it's my sister and my dad, and I are kind of the entertainment of the movie, or whatever, and the soul of the movie is my mother, and the isolation of motherhood, and, but yeah, I kind of thought that as a indie filmmaker, you know, oh, well, my family are actors when I just put them in something, and we'll should've the house. So we don't have to pay for it. And it'll be easy. And it was never you never thought of it as a comedy, did you? I mean, I wanted it to be funny. And I knew that that would be part of it. But I also wanted to you know, I love horror movies and I wanted to play in different genres. And I thought, you know, putting it in one location over a course of a single night allows for a lot of different stuff to happen. And I guess. The the who's afraid of Virginia Woolf. Yeah. Yes. Evening of just getting more and more neabry aided and chaotic yes people's masks falling off, and that's those are the kind of movies, I really are drawn to and it's you're you're just seeing characters kind of devolve ING to their most terrible selves. It's funny. I tweeted something about you guys coming on the show and someone mentioned your dad being on an episode of third watch that right, Chris. Yeah. Where he played some kind of terrifying murderer. Yeah, you're draining someone's blood. That's right. Glad I remember that. And they're trying to find out where she is. And I won't tell them. Yeah. Yes. And it occurred to me that like the distance between your dad's comic persona and something that is genuinely terrifying is very narrow like. Your dad's kind of weird aggressive grotesquery. I mean, even as a fan for me. Like it upsets me sometimes. Yeah. I mean eagle heart was incredibly violent like super disturbing times. I think the persona that I've developed over the years is there's always this sort of seething psychopath underneath the surface. And you know, it's been funny because we were talking about like Rosemary's baby. Like, I think had I been an actor back. Then I would have auditioned for one of those be witches in that in that house because they were funny, but also horrifying and also scary, and that is sort of. I think now that I look back on my career kind of what I do. And it is a lot in Clark's goes where you play the same thing. And so does Abby where these tuned up negative ugly versions of our? Ourselves representing sort of the bad ugly side of show business. They the egotistical side of show business. And that's what I enjoyed about doing this movie was that I was able to actually do what I have been doing for so many years, you know, Brady I had a question for you. But this set up from your dad is too good to miss because I have a clip of him doing the banana dance on Letterman. This is Chris Elliott being Marlon Brando and doing a dance that is. I mean, I would say like most dances are visual things. Right. And this is in some ways a dance. I think like maybe you could call it a flop like a rhythmic form thing. Yeah. Let's take a listen. Ladies and gentlemen, the fellas Ringo and the fellas and I put together a little something. It's called my famous banana dance. And it's something that I performed on my island regularly. And I've perfected some years back before we performing. I just like to say before we do that. We hope we do not offend all right now. Just one moment. Let me prepare for it. Let me throw it here. Put them right here. All right, fellas. You ready? Okay. On you. Go ahead. Brian go hit it. Here. We go. All right. Anna. All right. That's it. Yeah. That's kind of become my thanks for the memories. Alley cat is played whenever I wanted to walk on people hadn't seen Brando for a long time. And I just started imagining that. Yeah, you'd probably gone nuts on the island that he owned and. Yeah. He was guy. I mean, it started as a, you know, he he would just be hanging out sleeping in the airlock. You know outside the studio and coming on with paper bags full of stuff and telling bad jokes. Like, you know, I had a ladder here full the letter, man. Also, like, everything laced with very deep hostility like a really intense, and by everything I mean, everything you as an actor. We're doing at the time all the characters that you were doing were deeply ASTA. Well, and I think they still are. I think that's a big part of what I do. I mean, you know, I certainly Clara's ghost, you know, he's bitter and and hostile to is his own family, but the family they at least the daughters and not the mother but the daughters and my character have thick skin. And they are they're sort of use to insulting each other and being competitive with each other. And it's about the family dynamic in how you get typecast in a family the same way, you get tight in show business, and they that each once you start playing a role in your family. You are that person. And that the mother is. Is usually the brunt of a lot of the humor in a family that she is. Usually, the the person that the, you know, the family makes fun of and and she takes it. And now and in this. It's a spirit that kind of guides her and gives her some encouragement not to take it. I was reading piece that just came out in the ring or about the history of the film cabin. Boy, the star and co creative force behind that to this morning. This great. It was a who. And I don't know, you know, I would imagine many people in our audience haven't seen the the movie cabin boy. I don't know if I can in good conscience recommend it to most of them is a very strange film. I recently rewatch it on VHS an my cabin really enjoyed. But it seemed like part of what was going on in that movie as you guys kind of fell into making this movie in a weird way and had to decide there. And then as you were at this point in your career, we're making a movie, maybe we're going to be show business. Bigshots already had a sitcom on TV, but they were going to be show business. Big shots. You had to decide are we going to move to L A, and B movers and shakers and. In. I imagine in part, the colossal failure of the film, commercially, not are typically. Answer that question for you. But also, it seems like you made a choice like you didn't come out to just like audition every pilot season for every walk on role on a sitcom and all that kind of stuff. No. And even before get a life sort of the idea of doing a sitcom didn't seem right for me or for Adam Resnick who created get a life with me. And and David mercan, it it. I knew that if we were going to do a sitcom it had to become it couldn't be. What I have been making fun of on Letterman for eight years, and it had to be sort of a an extension of that of what I have been doing at for Dave and and the same with cabin. Boy. I sort of felt like well, this has to be an extension of what what we did. And I think one of the problems besides being naive and inexperienced and having no idea exactly what we were doing when we were shooting cabin. Boy is that the timing of when that movie came out it came out in a time when comedies were kind of broad, very funny. You know, sort of Jim Carey esque type comedies, and that's what people expect it when they saw comedy or up funny one sheet poster they they expected that what what we gave them was a very challenging in your face kind of. Distressing stress distress you very easily. It's not other than the Laura Walters. It's not a particularly attractive movie. There's no actor in. If that is a leading man in the movie, I guess the reason that I think of like what a weird impression on me this to TV show and also a cabin boy made a few years later is that. You know, you must've some point seen those things when you were a kid righty only. It was your dad. In. So what did you make of them when you were first allowed to see them that you were like under fifteen or all you have to be like really get the meta humor. Yeah. I mean, I I saw a cabin boy when I was a child like, you know, seven or so, and I think I had a little little poster of it in my room. And I remember kind of redrawing the poster as like a kid, and to me, it was just this monster movie like in the same way, like baron von Munchausen that movie goes just like this kind of creepy thing with like lots of you know, giants and stuff. I mean, I think our parents showed us weird thing. Yeah. I watched a lot of the adventures of Fairmont Chelsea to Terry. The the weird Terry Gilliam. Yes. Theoretically family, my parents, let me see what and watch psycho kid. No offense. But I think that cabin boy might be a weirder thing to show. There was a lot of stuff. We didn't let the kids watch that. I was in. I I don't think I think cabin boy they weren't allowed to watch. Everybody loves Raymond. Not work. I weren't allowed to watch something about Mary watch wind up watching it. And I was like oh my God. This is the funniest movie ever. But I didn't I don't really recall ever being like, oh, that's my dad, you know, any sort of making a connection of I knew it was you. And I knew that's what you did if anything like seem cabin boy when I was a kid, and or and just seeing the poster in your room not in here. Over the fat. Giant. In the closet. There was the little your little backpack. I would play with like, the then the mini fish sticks on your home for the giant. I would play with the props as a kid. But if anything it just felt like, oh that was the extension of what you did. Because at home, you know, you would make like cardboard houses for Abby night a play with. And we put on like scenes, you know, and it just felt like oh you play. This is the big version of that. Right. And and yeah, I think I saw it again again when I was like seventeen and like understood that it was like a really really funny movie, and you know, but there was no time where I was like, oh, this movie sucks or anything or you know, I think I got it right away. So you didn't get on that family. Now, I didn't write well your view politics and watch it till about five years. She saw it because she was traumatized. She knew I was Trump. By it. And that you know, she couldn't she couldn't bring herself to to watch it for that reason because she knew how it was. It was a traumatic experience which it was. There's so much not so much the part of the process of making it as the the way that it ended up being received. Yeah. I and I think Adam would agree with me. We still don't totally get why it was vilified to the extent that it was, you know, there were other bad movies that came out around that time bad comedies that were allowed to come and go, but I be thought of and to me, and I don't mean to cut you off. Now, maybe the difference for somebody watching that movie in nineteen Ninety-three or whenever it was that it came out is three ninjas. Is that terrible. I'm sure I haven't seen it. No offense to any of the interest. Right. But I'm sure if three ninjas is terrible. It is an attempt to please the audience in a very general child-friendly way. Yeah. Genie. All. I think that if you don't appreciate if you're not on board for the tone of cabin. Boy, it could feel actively hostile. Well, I. Gonna front, but I think that's what I was doing on Letterman too. I there was never this feeling like, oh, we have to please the audience, and I guess when you make a movie, and it's going to be a comedy, and it's going to come out, and it's going to have Tim Burton's name on it producing it. And all that. Yeah. You should probably consider the audience when you're making it. But there weren't I it wasn't like now, I will admit that you know, I like getting laughs. It's not it's not that. I just I think it it. We just sort of Sumed the audience would be on board with it with on on board with the the whole ride that we were we were doing, and and they weren't for for, you know, I think nowadays, and it does have this. This cult following now, which is really gratifying to see. And I think it's because people have more patients for you know, if the movie at come out as an independent. Say as opposed to a, you know, a studio film with Tim Burton's name on it. And all that nowadays. You know, maybe maybe people would have had would have more patients for it more with bridie. And Chris Elliott when we come back from a quick break. Chris Elliott will tell me why he doesn't tweet like anyone needs an excuse to not be on Twitter. I kind of wish I wasn't on Twitter. Sometimes it's wools I for maximum fun dot org and NPR at Jesse thorn. Please follow like me. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from winnings, creator of the WI fi smart scape. Meet your goals with the smart scaled delivers weight, BMI and body composition. Even a local weather report. See why Tom's guide named winnings body plus the best overall smart scale of twenty eighteen visit within Stott com slash NPR for thirty percent off any body composition scale with things giving people the tools they need to improve their lives. Hey, it's guy-roger here. And on the next how I built this. How to women with no background in fitness set up some stationary bikes. Dim the lights boost the music and created a cult following in a multi-million dollar business called soul cycle, you can find how I built this wherever you listen to podcasts. Friendly fire is a war movie podcast. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to it. Boy, I'll say, you know, a lot of people Ben in Adam might not initially watch a war movie podcast. What's in it? For me. They say, yeah, I'll tell you. What's in it for you for you is biting socio, political commentary, scattered dick and fart jokes. A lotta history. There's the depicted wars, but also the history of the time period that these films were made and released their very telling download friendly fire every Friday from your favorite pod catcher or maximum fund dot org. It's bowls. I I'm Jesse thorn. I'm here with bridie Elliott and her dad comedian, Chris Elliott bridie wrote and directed the new movie Clara's ghost, which is available to rent and buy online. Now, it is a weird scary. And sometimes deeply deeply funny movie. Starring the entire Elliott family. Chris bridie, Abby and Paula. Is it weird to have a dad who's has this show business career that is? Entirely meaningless to most. Like profoundly meaningful to some. You never know if somebody figures out your dad is Chris Elliott, you never know whether they're you're they're going to like make you list his credits until you get to, you know, everybody loves Raymond. They'll be like. I like that anti candler fan. But. And then or if they're going to be like, oh my God. Lou new license plate. I'm Jimmy Kimble. Yeah. Yeah. I've gone on some dates where it's like a little. Will you marry me to Moro hang and it's gross. But. No, I think it actually has you know, made me. Possibly more cynical about the whole thing. The whole idea of what successes and what it means. And but also more realistic. And I do think, you know, I did not go into this business with stars in my eyes or any sort of expectation of, you know, well, I come from success. I'm going to have to you know, be successful right away. I think I think for me, it's it's been more like, oh, it's all on a luge in and unpredictable and weird. And that's made it in more recent years, you know, more freeing, I think I think I definitely when I said that I was like, oh, that's a lie. Totally expected. I totally expected to be successful right away. Because it happened for, you know, Abby, very fast and. And then, you know, it was sort of I kind of had to shed that to you know, then take baby steps. But, but yeah, I think I think once when you were on eagle heart, and like, you know, the people that were watching it were obsessed, and then the people that hadn't heard of it. You know, had no idea what it was like, I think that was indicative to me of like, okay? Like, it's really all you know, the world is a different place than you know, I yeah. I mean, there's so many. I dunno opportunities venues places to go. You know, it's it's hard to define what is success, you know, right now. And I you know, I've never felt like my career. I I've been very lucky and really happy that I've been able especially thanks to Dave was able to have a house early on and raise a family and and have a regular income. And all that you're like twenty five win abbey was born or now you're twenty five when you got married they were just young when you guys settled down. Yeah. We we were. And I was talking to mom about it was like we were kind of playing house because we we were kids who could, you know, living in we bought a house, and we were living in an Abraham with older people, you know, and having cocktails and a bar in our house. It was like we were just pretending. You know for longtime. It's sort of felt like that. And that's how we got into it. But I don't the idea of success there. You can do something nowadays and work for twenty years. And or you know, fifteen and people don't know what you're doing. But you're buying house. You're settling down and you're having a family or whatever. Because you're there are these venues podcasts, there's you know, internet all these places to work and all these cable channels, you know, that that people don't know about but have shows that have been on the air for many years, those first signature things that you did in your career appearing on Letterman, get a life and cabin. Boy. Yeah, they're all top here where things and they're like the last time, you could do something that weird and put it in front of millions of people, right? Like. Get a life was on after the Simpsons. The Simpsons was the biggest cultural phenomenon right in at the time. Yeah. You know, people were mad about cabin boy because it wasn't in the army now or whatever right, right? Whereas Egal heart was on for people. Who would enjoy eagle? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You don't have to worry that much about the anti eagle heart community being bothered by eagle? That's so true. That's so true. And and I you know, who knows what my stuff how would have if I was twenty one. Now, how it would go over, you know, out there on adult swim or someplace, you know, I, you know, back then without all those other venues, you know, if something happened in the news, and I wanted to parody at or I wanted to make fun of it or do impersonation of it. I had a good week to think of something to I usually try to beat Saturday Night Live, maybe, but that's about it. You know? When I was working at Letterman nowadays, something happens and someone, you know, twenty one years old has something a brilliant parody of it up within ten minutes, you know, online, and they're funny. Also disposable I always thought what I did was. That's what why I liked television so much because I and especially Letterman because I and this is why I can't all I, you know, people will bring up stuff that I did on Dave. And I have absolutely no memory of it because that week I would do it. And then I'd forget about it. Because I had to think about what I'm gonna do in the you know, the next week. And and to me, it was so disposable thing about movies that bother me at the time especially with cabin. Boy was that it was not disposable it actually stayed on video shelves at stayed in people's minds and at state state around and you upset you had to live with the consequences of your actions. With that movie. Absolutely. Absolutely. With. Sorry. I was gonna suggest that you get an Instagram account like Will Smith does. And he puts out funny videos. I don't know why are you doing? No wrestling, again, recently, just I don't know I feel a little bit like that pass me by a bit. You know, the computer internet, you know, tweeting and all that kind of stuff. And like, I said to you. I think a lot of your stuff is brilliant. That's on that you put online, but I'm not like, a serial comedy maker of nobody'll funny things up there, and and so will your sister. So we'll Abby and to me the my generation I think you're giving away your material hold onto that put it put it in a file and keep it in a box and use it in a movie don't don't put it out there as a tweet. And maybe that's why I don't tweet. I don't know. I know Steve Martin does. I know, you know, all these people do, and they're, and they're brilliant, and they have all these followers, and and the it might be fun for them. And may be good practice. I think with me. I would just like, I don't know. I think a lot of my stuff has to be explained. And and tweeting tweeting doesn't give me enough time to explain what? I mean, you were never exactly Henny men. No, no. No amount of explanation. I had to do for the banana dance, which we played like us to explain why someone would think that's funny. Right. Right. And the thing, you know, that's to me. That's the best comedy is stuff that you can't really explain Chris. And Brady, Elliot. I sure appreciate you to taking the time to be on bills. I was really nice to talk to you. Thanks, Jesse bridie. And Chris Elliott, their film Clara's ghost is available to rent or buy. Now, they're probably one of the most talented families I've ever met give the movie a look. At the end of another episode of bullseye. Bullseye is recorded at maximum fund or world headquarters. Overlooking MacArthur park, beautiful Los Angeles, California, where our senior producer Laura drove past quite a scene on her way home after late night recording session last. There was a fire truck blocking part of a westbound lane. 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Waterphone: The Sound That Haunts Hollywood
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Go to extrordinary on the Mike dot com. That's extrordinary on the Mike dot com produced in partnership with Cole Haan. You have reached the every little thing helpline, please leave your message after the tone. Hi, laura. This is Marianna. I've been watching old episode of unsolved mysteries. And there's this weird sound commit. That's just kind of chilly. I just really wanna know why ever so spooky and what the heck kind of instrument is making it. I hope you know, the answer to this or you know, people who. Hello. Hey, this is Bler from every little thing calling. You back about the spooky sound effect. Hey. I'm also hearing a sound effect in the background. Yeah. So I have a baby she's about five months old and she just eight and she was in such a good mood. And now she has hiccups. And so that's kind of the soundtrack of my life right now is these little hiccups. Do you wanna play her? The spooky sound do called about to see if we can scare him out of her. I'm not into torturing, but what's her name? Her name is Suzanne and we call her Suzie. Okay. Great. Well, maybe I'll ask her a question here in there. Okay. Okay. Marianna you called about a sound that you heard unsolved mysteries. So we began our investigation with the primary source extrordinary UFO vent. Judge yourself. Okay. Let me play for you. One more time. Yeah. That's my sound. It does give particular vibe. I mean, we tried mocking up that same scene with another classic sound effect. Let's to see if you can hear the difference. Okay. Okay. So it's going to be subtle though. So you gotta listen carefully. Okay. I can do that. Okay. Carrot goes. Was it an extraordinary UFO event, judge you so. That was alarming. But in a totally different kind of way more like like like jump out of your skin. Scary like clown scary. Yes. Yes. Like, clowns scary, exactly. Like there's this clown behind me with one of those like squeeze to bugle things. So marianna. Here's the thing. This sound. Didn't just haunt unsolved mysteries. Like ghosts? The sound is actually everywhere. Okay. It was in Star Trek, this device Sieff. No. The matrix, really? Back to the future. Batman, I've heard of a few of these art house productions Chinatown poltergeist, dick, Tracy alien Jurassic Park containing the fossilized remains of a prehistoric mosquito the usual suspects crouching tiger hidden dragon Black Hawk Down let the right one in X files. True. Blood lost Mummy Returns, Harry Potter and the goblet of fire a Christmas, Carol Ugo and a whole series of movies about hobbits fighting over jewelry nasty dirty wit. News e smells this was a Hobie tone. And that means good food. Tell me how they make it. Or we just, wow, I'm in Patia. Sorry. I'm so excited about it. Okay. Marianna? What do you want to know? It just doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before. And I don't understand like what kind of instrument are they using to make this terrible sound. Okay. This sound comes from an instrument called a water phone a water phone a water phone like a phone that is like electrified, and it is in a bucket of water or something maybe that's too on the nose. But I just sent you a picture. Okay. And we'll put on the Instagram to up here. We go o k so it's like a pipe with a bunch of other pipes. I mean, I think if I found this on the street, I would think it was kind of weird street art. Yes. So the water phone is made up of two metal salad bowls. Welded together with tines sticking up around the sides. It's like the salad bowl is wearing a crown. But how does the sound actually come out you put water in the salad bowl center? And then you play it by hitting with a mallet or running against the times ochre. How how old is a single is this an ancient type of instrument or is this a newer creation? I love that. You think it's ancient because it does look that way. Yeah. We found someone who can resolve this mystery for you her name is Ramey. Okay, remy. The water phone was invented in a chicken coop. Turned welding shed in my backyard Raimi's dad, Richard waters, invented the water phone in nineteen sixty eight. He was an artist and a musician. He passed away a couple of years ago. But Ramey says this is how you should picture the water funds. Birthplace imagine, you're an indoor junkyard. Like miss crap medal, everywhere were bits and pieces of rubber and string and rope. And he had a like the guts of a piano in there. Just standing up against the wall. And you could play it just like like a harp. Almost you know, they could pick up the strings now picture Richard waters, a little over thirty years old Brown hair with a beard, welding salad bowls together. He would just sort of slap on a pair of glasses because it can injure your eyes. So he did do that and a leather vest. And then he would just weld out on the over hang. He's like my arms are fine. The yeah. Yeah. I mean in for the most part they were. So I'm figuring him in just a leather vest. Jeans jeans pants for sure. Yeah. Okay. I have the picture. I got it. Okay. Get please hold that image in your mind. Because these are the fertile conditions from which this sound sprung. He just sort of refined it over the years. And by the end, he had a Tig welder. And was engraving his name into them like assigned piece. Why did he invent this? You know, I don't know. I think he saw it as an artistic endeavor. From what Ramey says making money from the water phone was not her dad's priority that just wasn't his interest. He if he had like eighteen water phone orders. But he felt like going to the beach that day. He just went to the beach. He just didn't. He just didn't care. It's weird that someone who basically didn't seem to be all that interested in business managed to parlay this instrument this like weird instrument into something that now we've all heard how did he manage that? I think Susie really wants to know. I know she does. She's like, why are you making me wait so long Suzy? I asked Ramey that very question. So how did the water phone go from your backyard to being used across Hollywood productions? I think it was word of mouth. I mean, either has to be like a patient zero. But I do not know who it was. But we do. After the rake we pay a visit to the legendary percussionist who catapulted the water phone to start them. This up Assode of every little thing is brought to you by the makers of Hillshire snacking, small plates of flavorful combination of high-quality meat and artisanal cheese want to elevate your snacking experience Hillshire snacking, small plates takes the guesswork out of food pairing. Each snack is perfectly portioned and thoughtfully curated like Italian dry salami with natural Gouda cheese. 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He is the celebrity in fact when I walked in. There was an entourage of young musicians sitting on his living room couches. Hi, sorry. Interrupt your visit. So, you know, I'm here. No, you're. The water phone. I know. Aimal has played music with George Harrison Frank Sinatra Doris day, Charles Mingas, Perry coamo, Judy Garland, and he's worked on more than two thousand movie scores. Holy mackerel. He's a living legend or in his words, a freak. I was the freak at the time. The main free. When I talked to Aimal he dropped the freak bomb eleven times in twenty four minutes. Wow. Okay. But most precocious. With sound. Anyway, you know, were you always a sound freak probably started seven seven years old. I usually get thrown out of hardware stores. What would you do bang two pieces of metal together? You know, just trying to come up with a different sound that I hadn't heard before. It was annoying to people in going to a hardware store looking for drywall something after a while get out. What is that? You're making too much noise. Get outta here. And once a freak always a free as an adult Aimal traveled the world collecting instruments that made different sounds. He hadn't heard before every time. I came back from a trip. My phone would ring off the hook composers. What's new? I gotta have the first use of it. You know that happened all the time. Aimal became the go-to person in Hollywood for new and interesting sounds and someone who knew Richard waters told Aimal he had to hear the water phone. I heard it. I thought it was pretty interesting pretty strange and being the sound freak that I was I had to have one. What was it about this instrument that you said, what do you think you tell me? No, you tell me you're the expert. You're what do you think of the sound? I think it's wild. That's what I thought. And I I knew it would enhance all the percussion is amunition to show composers into work with this is how we go from patients hero to water phone pandemic Aimal showed it off composers heard. It's weird spooky sound. And enables words they all freaked. You know, they offer. He still has his water phone. Let me hear it. Okay. So if you put some water in. He took it to the kitchen sink. Turn on the tap, build it up and played it for you. Sounds like. That's. Do you know, do you know, like the first time it was in a movie? Yes, it was nineteen seventy one and the movie was called the Hellstrom chronicle whose documentary, and I think it was on bugs. And I just wanted to get a taste of the movie some I'm sending you a link. Okay. I see these like, oh my God. Is that a snake? I'm not sure what that is. It's either a snake or like millions of ants. It's cold. She off who the driver rant. A mindless unstoppable killing machine. Dedicate just some strange stuff. It was very strange footage and this instrument worked really well driven forward through the doctors by a single demanding meat within the need to kill and plunder. Oh, they're building. Like an aunt made bridge. They're like on these rocks. Okay. I need to pause really gross. Pas I'm going to focus back on you. Yes. Focus because that insect documentary was just the beginning from there. The water phone spread across IMDB like a swarm of ants. Can we go back to solve mysteries? How did it end up unsolved mysteries? Well, you're in luck Marianna. There is a person who can tell us how this strange in specific instrument ended up on this strange and specific show. Her was laughing how what a narrow subject this is. It's like will. I be able this is Gary, Malcolm he scored unsolved mysteries for fourteen years. Wow. Gary thank you for scaring me as a child. Oh my God. Well is pay back because I used to get scared by the guy who did Perry. Mason in the sixties. Trill and then dot up and stop. Right. And it was so pardon me. I shouldn't say that was so it was so startling. I I would have to agree. So Gary wanted to startle this that of his own audience, but instead of using trilling violence stabs, he had another tool the waterfall was a prime example of the kind of thing we did to a stab that. There was something for boating, and unknown and unexplainable that was coming into the scene and nothing could do it better than these kinds of sounds so Marianna diva theory about why the water phone is creepy like what it is about that sound that makes it work. I bet it works because it's not something that any of us have ever heard. It's not something that we can say, oh, that's just a violin. Don't worry about it. 'cause it's not anything. You know, you learn out in music class. That's actually very close to Gary's theory. A lot of what makes things chilling and scary. And a lot of the reasons why the water phone has been so affective is it can go between all the lines of of the scale that we've determined in western music. That's the twelve tones, right? So we go see. ABC's the normal diet tonic scale and most western music is based around those notes. Uh-huh. So the water phone has the full spectrum of sound and floats through it quite freely. The water phone doesn't stick to the scale that most people are used to win you alter that just right out the gate, you're dealing with something that frightens people because it's so out of their context it so out of their context of understanding of what that is. Right. And that's one of the things that scares the of people if you listen to unsolved mysteries, and you were accustomed to atonal music. Would it be? Just like a happy show. Not scary at all. Sitcom, that's a great question. I love that. Well, in a way now, it's so retro that. It is funny. But Marianne Gary had another theory about what might make the water phone creepy. I think it has something to do with our relationship to suffering and the human voice, right? So the ultimate in some ways very easy way to get people afraid is to move into a sound texture that imitates a level of groaning of sobbing of moaning of haunting of. The waters phone is another expression of the crime. And by the way, I've never said these words before so I'm totally temporizing. But it makes sense to me that sound that we're most afraid of are the sounds of grief and loss because most people are terrified of death Lawson Elvis, and these sounds remind us of the things we most are frayed of it's my theory. And I never said it before this moment. So there, you know, whenever minds me have a little bit. Also is like sad sounds like either babies make or like the weird creepy sound that cats make like. Oh, the low meow. Yeah. Exotic can the background right now. Is there a cap yelling on cue? We we thought that she'd be quieter if I put her away and that has not worked out very well. So what do you think mystery on unsolved? Yeah. Definitely mystery unsolved. I actually think the sound feels less scary now to me I'll have to see when I watched unsolved mysteries again. Well, Marianna big news on that front. I can't officially say this. But let's say that very soon a new popular streaming service. We know coming forth, you know, about it state. You hear the news? I did hear the news, and I'm really excited about it. Netflix reboot unsolved mysteries is coming back. Hopefully, they're going to use the same music. Gary. Are you going to score it? I'm I've thrown my hat in the ring, you know, pray for me, baby. I'm hoping to get it. I really wanna do the theme. Spore be great after all these years. Will we hear the water phone in it? Well, you know, if I get the score. I'll be sure to put the water phone in more. That'd be really great. Thank you for reminding me. Yeah. 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