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"Hi there and welcome to fantasy focus baseball. That's right baseball. It's tuesday. January twenty second two thousand nineteen so sunny warm day here in the northeast America, rebel. He is Tristan h Cochran's off the h has always stands for happily winning all the league. So you'd better listen to everything the Salton says the season, it's a long middle name tristen. Can you handle it? That really sets a high bar for me the season that you're going to jail. Fifteen words on what the H stood for. Yeah. I've been many many different definitions what the stands for happily singing. Maybe let's talk spoil. I got nothing else. That's it's one word. It was three words. No, one expect more three three we expect introduce everyone else because without the other guys today, we could not do is show. We've got researcher extraordinaire, Kyle soppy. Does a great job. Of course. You heard him on the fantasy football podcast where he did. Excellent work, there producer Daniel Dopp became star and are courageous editorial watchdog Leo Hal is with us as well. Hello, gentlemen. Happy new year. It's too late news. The twenty second. To any of you. So why not I mean, I appreciate it? I hope you have a happy new year to but I'm not gonna wish you one. I think that that's like a week. I think he had a week breed. Wow. You're not even gonna wish him. What it sounded? I hope he has one very nice watchdog stepping in here. It is perfectly acceptable to wish someone happy new year on the twenty second county. It's the first time you've talked to them we wish marginally better than replacement New Year's to all acceptable to baseball. We're here to talk baseball. It's it's called outside. But the warmth of spring training is only a few weeks away pitchers and cash report. And what does it trysted in one thousand nine hundred eighty tweet out today nineteen as Oakland as February tenth and most of them report on the twelfth. So that's twenty one days from now. Like, the groundhog like he peeks his head out the tweet that the pitchers and catchers reporting in one thousand nine days, I didn't see him tweet all year, but I so much because see my shadow after that so back in the hall did your shadow look anything like Adalberto modesty. We're going to discuss him on today's show a little bit later on Mr. softy will read your questions and trysts in the expert will give you answers, but I the buzz. All right. So I I can't say I'm too surprised by this. But Bryce Harper Machado remain. I guess technically unemployed. They're going to find very good jobs soon. But they don't have them as of today. And I don't think they're going to find their jobs today. Today's hall of fame day, we'll get to that later as well. But Chris, and I ask you is it going to matter that much for your rankings. Now your rankings or posted and mine will be when I get off my button do them. And I'm wondering like does it matter obviously, not going to Coors field in Colorado? There's a matter where Harper and Machado end up with jobs to you. Or is it to be a minor thing on your rankings? It's going to be a minor thing in my rankings. I mean, there are some extremely good and extremely poor situations for each I mean, Bryce Harper not going to the if he did he's got a good swing for that porch. That can help ever so slightly with Manny Machado actually gets about the position eligiblity for future years more than anything else. I don't think much is going to change your other than in a in a deeper lineup. He gets more counting number potential if he's a team in a more pitching oriented ballpark, perhaps not. But I think it's a question of does. He play short. Does he play third? I think that's kind of the big story line for him. Yeah. And you know, you're right now you've got. You've got Machado and your first round number ten and you've got Horford number twenty three. And I don't think that's where they're going to end up being drafted. I think Harper's gonna end up being drafted ESPN ADP better than that. Although what is it one out of six years? He's been a top twenty player in fantasy is that what it is. It's still seems like we're giving him a lot of love here that might be undeserving. He wasn't. He wasn't a top twenty player last year. Was he? No, I think only in that the big full healthy year, the one that he had did he get a high number and I'm trying to dig that up. We'll we while we speak. But I think that most people in fantasy have caught onto the fact that he just doesn't have the production compared to the ADP's of the past. But even still winning is healthy. He does put up extraordinary numbers on a per game healthy basis he can compete with those in the top ten, but I don't think you should be drafting him there. I don't think that that that the discussion for Bryce Harper will no matter where he goes end up being within the top ten draft picks. I think it's going to be in that second round. Maybe gets in the fringe if you play in the fifteen team mixed leagues, I can see the conversation for that. But there are a lot of players who give you more in terms of stolen bases. I think end up being smarter picks these days and in this age see now, I look at your rankings degree Tristan. I see some players who are ranked after Harper. And I think what changed within why are they being punished for their kind of rough two thousand eighteen season. Whereas Harper kind of isn't like Chris Brian to me, you have them ranked number thirty two and you have Harper twenty three and I think well, that's silly. I mean Brian had a tough year at a shoulder injury. But isn't Bryan Bryan Simone that we regard as consistent power source? An infielder can steal a base just like Harper. A year ago? He was drafted much better than this Correa was as well. Anthony, Ren, don't in the past has been ranked better than is Cody Bellinger, I guess my point Anthony Rizzo look at that number forty two Springer I guess it seems to me that these other players are being punished for two thousand eighteen like I'm going to have Chris Bryant higher. I don't know about higher than Harper. But certainly higher than you do. So how are you expecting? Well, I mean to me Chris Bryant's a second round pick. I think I wanna have him my top twenty because I want to view what happened in two thousand eighteen as a little bit Everett. He was injured now. He's not. Yeah. I kind of want to get behind this to Brian is one of the ones in the top fifty of mine that I think has the greatest likelihood of moving up based on the spring returns, and that is going to go entirely to the health returns as opposed to the game performance. Because last year I'm willing to just right off the fact that the shoulder issue that he suffered. I think it was late June. The carried over the rest of the year explained a lot of its downturn in production. But they were those were severely down. Graded stats hard hit. Contact hard hitting a rate was down his fly ball rate was significantly down. There was a big concern for me. He struggled a lot against right handed pitchers. It was the performance of what what you talk about for a mid thirties player who was on the downturn of their career curve history sloping upward. So if he does report to spring training fully healthy, we get great reports. He's looking good in the BP's. Maybe some of the early games swinging the ball well lifting it, then I'm on board as a second round pick. I think he could be a value. It's just there is risk still tied to him. I agree there's risk through a lot of these players wasn't thing. I always say, I I know it's annoying to the people that are listening in Bristol right now. But I'll be calling. I of course. But I look at last year's ADP. Oh, by the way, tristen. Can you Email me last year's anything last year's ADP? And I say, okay, what changed with this guy? What changed with that guy? Why are we making this guy where we are when a year ago, we loved him, Brian is that guy to me like most poll isn't that a polarizing player in Drass, right? Now, he's a huge value to me Harper's polarizing I mean, the the most polarizing player in fantasy baseball address right now. You know, who it is? Right. It's it's not Harper. It's not her shots. Bryant. Gee, I wonder who is it's it's well, there's let's put of this. Right. So I whatever we didn't have a pre meeting appreciable eating or anything. So now like a week ago. I emailed Leo editorial watchdog, and I said, hey, I need to do my rankings sent him to me the semi Tristan's. And I'll move out about your modesty up fifty spots. And that'll be it. That's what I said only type. Maybe eighty you've got him wearing ridiculous -ly. I know what we're going to get into this on every show. I think but you have modesty right now at number one thirty three gimme a thirty second minute. Whatever on why you haven't ranked where you are. Because he's going to get drafted in the top seventy five by most people. I think and I'm gonna have in ranked around seventy five or eighty and you tell me what seems unusual for you to be so far against the player with upside. He there's downside. But there's also upside. Okay. So everybody's going to have to choose which side of the fence there on or you're going to be pro or anti I fall on the anti side. I said that the pro side probably is around your number, which is seventy five most of the people I see drafting in this pro are drafting him considerably earlier than that. I saw him going the second round of an NF style draft, which is fifteen teams. So that's within the first thirty overall picks of a draft. And by the way. If it's fifteen deeping digging a little bit deeper into the pool. So that's kind of extraordinary to me, but I don't like buying extremely positive small samples. It's effectively a half season of outrageously good production. And if you try to think back a couple of years to the first player that that comes up Eric used them last year yourself trae Turner trae Turner's production over that small sample was significantly better than what modesty did Montes problems a lot weaker contact. He had a contact rate at least ten percent worse than trae Turner's during that breakout season. He doesn't walk very much. He had an awful lot of good fortune on fly balls. Now, he does have decent pop in his bat. But he hit the peak last season his numbers in terms of the Homer to fly ball rate were among the most historically good of any royals hitter. It's it's not a Homer friendly ballpark. The other end the stolen bases he stole basis. He attempted them at an extraordinary rate. It was more than forty five percent of the time. He had a chance to steal a base. He attempted it which is one of the best of this century. I just tweeted out this morning only six players had reached that forty five percent threshold. He was one of them Rajai Davis. Billy Hamilton, the only other two players to have done that. So I think that's going to come down a bit. You're drafting the role. I think you were drafting the manager who does give the green light a lot. And I think you're you're also going on the role that he's going to get the at bats in order to fill homers runs an RBI, and I just won't pay for that. Using the royals aren't gonna play him. Really if he stinks. I think they will. Now, here's a good question for you. If he stinks and the Royal stink does Joost stay. And if Llosa's changed as the green light is it as as frequent. Yeah. I think they're bad. And they're just going to let them run whenever he wants. All right. Well, let's let's cut to the chase. Gimme numbers. Tell me what you project for modesty this season. I think he's somewhere in the range of two forty average. I don't think he's good for batting average at all. I think he gives you about twelve home runs. Maybe he gets to fifteen and I think he's looking at thirty five stolen bases. And I'm assuming he plays every day. I can make that case where you have them at seventy five with those numbers. But there is a lot of risk. All right. I'll give you that. We what are you doing this guy? Give it give me your numbers on them. I think the numbers that you just mentioned are reasonable and almost like floor like they're just going to run all the time. And I see the reason why like there's so much excitement. Here is look what he didn't half a season. I'll. Grant, you he's not going to take a walk batting average could be a major problem. But not like he's not gonna Joey Galloway either. He's got speed. So I'm not saying he's trae Turner. But he might be trae Turner with like thirty less batting average points. And to me that's a top seventy five players. So I'm going to rank them that way. Like who do you think of the most polarizing players right now? I mean modesty and Harper right there. I guess you could say Kershaw some people still rank kershaw's their top pitcher. You don't. I don't. Kenley Jansen some people might still rank him as the top closer Vlad. Right. Vlad guerrero. We're having ranked fifty nine so Vlad valid came combined. We didn't discuss it beforehand. But glad came to mind as we're we're gonna talk about polarizing players. I don't think it's the performance. That's polarizing I think it's whether you're willing to invest the price for a rookie. Well, I'm willing to invest the price in this rookie. My only concern is does he sit in the minors in percolate for two meaningless weeks. Kris Bryant did a few years ago or is it half a season? And that's my main concern. But there's no question the guy can hit. Yup. And I think he can hit right away. And I think he could be a top twenty major league hitter right away. Yep. Why I don't know if he's playing in April, or if it's the all-star break or whatever with the Blue Jays, we're doing here. And you know, the fact that it's been a slow market, so far I think helps Vlad Guerrero in a way like Toronto really hasn't done a whole lot offensively where to make this. So it's a guess. But again, it's upside, and I'm willing. I'm more willing than I used to be. I know who is this guy to take chances on players with upside. And to me Vlad as crazy upside. He's in my top fifty part of the reason for that is that I push pitchers down a little bit further than you, do especially closers. I'm not taking your closer in round four or five. You've got your first closer kenley Jansen number fifty five. Should he be the first closer? I don't know. Should I don't think he should go that early? There's certainly no guarantees with this guy. Right. But we're still waiting for a bunch of other players to sign contracts, and that affects things to Pollock Dallas Keiko Craig kimbrel who still thinks he's getting a five year deal. Good luck without fellow. I mean, so I can still change your but in the rankings again like most ballparks are kind of in the middle for production. They're not as great as chorus field and they're not like the Mets stadium. So it kind of it's not going to matter that much in the rankings to me. So basically, you said what what could change your rankings in the next four weeks six weeks health like Kris Bryant being healthy yellow. I think he is anything else like who are some players that you think you could be moving in your rankings whether way before I think promise of a job with flat is big I could get behind that top fifty rank. I do like him that much you and I have both seen him play in the minors. A couple of times his talent is absolutely legitimate. And when you look at projections, like the steamer projections are projection out there. He can meet those numbers. I just like to know that he's going to play every single day. I think the floor is pretty gosh. Darned elevated. I'd say health for guys like, Cory Seager? I think are going to be very big in terms of determining the rankings for me Janssen, you'd mentioned before. How the Yankees breakdown their infield based on having cluttered at there. I want to see where labor tourists plays. Exactly what his role is spot in the lineup and the light because I do feel like his upside is pretty pretty decent this year. So the line of construction the Phillies lineup construction is another one where I I don't know what the orders going to be. And I might be a little bit more interested in a couple of players like Andrew mccutchen who they picked up based on where they're slotting him in the lineup. These aren't big swings. But they could mean around. Maybe I get a little bit more optimistic about a player like that. Let's see scrolling through some of my others. The coaches clearly going to bad third in the line of writing between Bryce Harper. Manny machado. So he's going to put up monster numbers. And that's my boy pass prime you joke. I'm I wouldn't be shocked. I I would not be shocked, and if it did happen. That's great for him. You know, by the way, people stop whining about all this. I mean, Twitter's cesspool anyway, but what's up whining about what taking so long, you know, in real life. We take a long time. Sometimes look for jobs to find jobs if Harper signs in the first week of March, so be it. It doesn't have to be in January. I understand it's holding things up for other people like AJ Pollock. But that's not his concern about getting the most money or as agent is about getting the most money, Hugh magin if we go to like, the NFL and AL labor drafts in Arizona and Harper Machado on sign you could mean like actually bidding on a player in the AL only not knowing if that player is going to play in the American League. Yeah. That's see that's gonna have a profound impact on the only leagues. And what you rule set is for that. I mean, you can buy those players and labor. But then you lose them outright, you have to immediately cut them at they signed on the other league, and they would fetch pretty hefty bids. I don't think we're going to be waiting until March to see them sign. I could see them signing right around the point that the camps open though. I. There've been a obviously a lot of players have signed. Let's go like brief one word answers here, Paul Goldschmidt. You haven't been number twenty with the cardinals that ballpark related is that Goldschmidt related lineup. Like, it seems like he last year was a top ten pick. Now, he's not what changed. Performance especially against fastballs was down a little bit last year and the trade change nothing for me. Patrick Corbin with the nationals. Now, you haven't as a top twenty starting pitcher. I agree with that like more or less out of Arizona. More issue. The ballpark change wasn't as big as you think. But I do like more getting out of there. You have Andrew mccutchen you number thirty two author. Obviously, we still don't know about what else the Phillies will look like. But it's one home runs at least an eight consecutive seasons. Not really stealing basis anymore that probably won't change the Phillies. There's a risk here. There is and for me the risk is he's slots in is a six hitter, which is not really maximizing his full potential. I love this guy in the points leagues. The on base percentage leagues. That's that's my pro. Mccutchen stance. Edwin Encarnacion he might end up somewhere else as well. He's already moved on seven straight seasons with thirty plus home runs. No other players and actress streak longer than five that's Nelson Cruz does Edmund in Kronos, you'll make it eight straight is he a top fifty player. I will say no I want to get out here before the downward curve. Okay. You Brian dosier at number one seven overall seems like a pretty good bounceback opportunity for dosier who didn't get like forty homers two seasons ago. He'll hurt your batting average. But then this could be a top hundred player. You don't see that? He could if he had a full rebound. But I do think that the career curve is kind of adhering to what it should for him. I mentioned the Damion Easley career comp. I mean players of this style, historically, donate. Great at second base. That's my worry with dosier. He could be a very good value where I have them. And I'm still still trying to take a look at exactly I feel fits in Washington. All right. The teams we always talk about Red Sox Yankees. Jay to the fact of the Yankees, and they'd a volley back to the Red Sox. You've got half thirty eight among starters and evolved seventy two that seems like a pretty large difference to me for a volley was good. Yeah. It does. And I could say that these guys are equal in terms of the raw talent on a per start basis. But involve these health history is a lot more troubling to me has been a considerably more durable pitcher over the years, and I like the fit in New York New York was able to maximize the things that he did best in terms of the pitch selection at catcher that wasteland. Yes. Money Grondahl, a Milwaukee. Now Wilson Rama's is a net. You've got grand L six and romo's eighth. Almost hit for average last year. Grendel the only catcher with twenty plus homers in each of the past three seasons. Give me your overall take on catching if you could. And also, why do you like wrandell better romo's? Health comes into play a little bit in terms of comp- contrasting those two. I also think Grundell skillset is perfect for Miller park. It's a Homer oriented ballpark is a home or ent player period. That's why he gets the edge to me over romo's much better ballpark situations in terms of the catcher approach for me. I'm gonna wait. Wait. Wait. A lot of the values that I am seeing a catcher aren't going to be the ones who lasted the end of the ESPN dress, and Eric I'm going to bet you probably agree with me. I would expect to see Mike Xenos bad part, but decent player. Good pop. Austin hedges, Danny Janssen, Francisco Mahia will probably be one of the players out there. And even then I'd go down to a catcher eligible it doesn't belong in the position Williams STO him. Yeah. Longhand amazing rep. And I think he gets at bats with its Wayne's all be a catcher, but he's eligible there. That's all I care about. I can tell you right now. I'm not taking Castro of the first twenty four thousand how many rounds are drafts. I'm not taking catcher until the five. Why would you? Yeah. And then closers kenley Jansen you still have them ranked your top closer. Although you have him at the as and kimbrel on the same range. I see a lot of people with Blake Trenton as the top closer off the board. And then David Robertson sign with the Phillies. He's the only guy I think that's moved on that. I would say is definitely a closer right now. In kimbro will be your thoughts your Robertson. You really think thirty saves or no Cody Allen, just to note another one who's moved on. And we'll close for his team. It was bad. Good is he? It saves. It's kind of the way Davis story from a year ago. We're we're not excited about the guy skillset, but he's gonna get saves. And Wade Davis was okay. Last season Robertson, I like the fit in Philly. I do I like getting out of the American League east. They're just not having to deal with some of those more hitting oriented ballparks. I'm not even gonna go so far into the lineups in that division. They're not quite as weighty as people think they are. But the analyst even though it's a little bit better. I like the park season the division that he's in. And I think he's going to get that job, Scott. He's got great stuff cookies. They're closer. I I think he's I think he's Sarangani Dominguez and some lefties the setup Domingas can be like five or six our guy. Robertson gets at least thirty saves. That's what I my my question about the closer position. And this very well could change based on the free agents out there. I look at closer, and I really only see about eight or nine absolutely ironclad. Sure things I feel like it's a little bit later this year. And I think that they are definitely sure things. Those guys in Roberson is one of them. But don't you feel that after that, it's a little sketchy s to roll, absolutely? And some of the closers that you have ranked really high may not even be getting saves. Josh hater, for example. I don't know if he's getting ten saves or forty. Sean Doolittle with the injuries Brad hand. I think is the closer Roberson. I think he is. But you know, you never really know. Britain's not gonna get saves more is probably out for half the season. I'll tell you what saves her a joke. I think the category should be saves plus holds. So if you're in a league where you can manipulate the categories what does that call day, you know, the kind of league I'm looking at here customer or that's the league. See that's why you're here because you're like a hall of fame answers because I know that it's a custom I believe we call them words of major league. That's it. So what I'm talking about seeing? Let's hold. I like say's push holds. I'm a regular Blake trying to over here. I like it. I like it. We're ranking you I on that note. I think it's halftime after this. Guess what we're going to do? We're going to answer your questions kind of south. You'll come aboard. And he'll tell us the questions that you posted on Twitter, and then Tristan who wins all his leaks every one of his league's Tristan wins. Oh, yes. Your questions. -nology truth. Brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? 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The the screens that he works on might as well be written in Greek. I have no idea. Just like putting on an old pair of jeans. I feel so you can't imagine how much better I feel listening to this. I couldn't do the job. I couldn't do it to the other guy. You think I'm a gamer? I couldn't couldn't do it. Now. Just jump in whenever you want. And this is sort of your segment your with Eric thing. You can't game through the wrong hash Brown music. That's. I don't know. I think it's a mental block. It's a mental block. Like can't you? Absolutely. So you get a cop. See I got your. I'm here for you. But so is the Twitter crowd. I am going to always call for hashbrowns to shoot them at me anytime, we'll get as many good ones on the shows. We can Matthew is wondering what is Paul d young ceiling? If you saw it's between, carpenter and Goldschmidt. Could he be a top ten shortstop? That's a really good question. Questions. Never lets us down. Love the good questions. Tristan? We have no idea about lineups. Right at this point. I mean, it's a little bit early. It's still January and the snow on the ground. But we should find them out in about a month pulled the young could bet second. Right. That would that would matter, but they do that. I don't think the young batted second very much last year. I'm going to check right now. It was yadi a lot. I remember Yati or. Yes, yati. They had a strange line of construction Bater was hitting seven or eight a lot Yati was batting second. They had a strange approach. But that would change things for you. The the young went from say six to second you'd be like, oh, that's interesting. It could be Fowler Colton long. I don't know who it's going to be. But how do you view pulled the young it just in a general sense? Is he a top ten shortstop to you? Do you think that there's a thirty home run season lurking there? He was one of the players on. My most recent update that I did move up a decent amount. Because I see the power upside there the injury absence last year. I think explain some of the quote down year, but the fly ball production was pretty comparable to his two thousand seventeen. And as a matter of fact, the quality of contact in the final two months or so of the year was up. So I do like them as value pick. I don't think that he fits here in the discussion as the number two hitter. But if you've met him five, I don't care all of these things remain the case. And it just means more RBI, which I'll take it. I I mean thirty one hundred is that possible in this lineup. I I absolutely have to that. But you haven't ranked number twenty shortstop I had over a couple of these guys like semi Andrew Simmons. But manage we're is deep and third base is deep. It's not deep. First base deep. Third base is crazy deep by the way this year. I base I look at first base. And I think really this guy is ranked there, and like if you said to me are Eric has more pulled the young I can make a case for the young. Now, you have husband ranked one twenty five and the young one eighty three and I'm thinking the kind of comparable me, I get a shortstop to give me the power. The house was not going to give it's not the same batting average. I understand that. But that's that's your number thirteen first basement. Then it's max Muncie Carlos Santana, Jose Martinez. Even play go Cabrera whose old I mean, man, I think we could actually say truce in that third base and shortstop are stronger than first base this year. I don't think second base is what do you think of that too? Crazy. I don't think if you can trust. I and short. I don't think that's crazy. I feel like in the very low tears where you're getting into the only getting into the fifteen plus team mixed first-base feels a little bit safer. You're taking you're taking chances on roles at shortstop. But I agree with you in that in the mixed in the standard mix league context shortstop is a lot better than you think at first base a lot worse than you think. Leo what what is ESPN's standard lead? Now at this point. It would be a ten team mixed points league mixed point sleep. Okay. So in a general sense when I'm doing this show. And when I'm writing every day, I'm talking about rodeo, and sometimes it'll be points, but in general sense because I've been playing wroto for a really long time. And that's kind of my thing. AJ's things points, AJ mess who will be on this show, plenty and Tristan you play both. So we should do a better job of talking about points league's just regular conversation on the show. Sure. But in a general sense we're talking about road. I'm thinking about you know, how many stolen bases I'm going to get. I'm thinking about you know, things that may not matter as much appoint sleep because he just went one number. But I look, and it's not all about pulled the young like Dee Gordon appoint sleep. I don't want them in a row league. He's got to be a top hundred option. You know, he could still forty basis how many guys can do that five guys. So just so everyone that's listening. You know, both of you understand what we're talking about. All right. I would say this that if we are talking points that is what makes? First base a little bit deeper. I probably would tilt the scale. Yeah. I base over shortstop in the points. Like, I think it's fairly noticeable there because I base has a lot of a walkers. The guys basically on first base has has D has depth. If you want to fill out a roster for points leagues ale and only but in attend team standard, mixed your corner. Infielder might be somebody who's basically playing another position. I wonder if not like you may not be your corner. Infielder might not be Yuli gurriel this year might be jerks and profile nothing wrong with that. And I wonder whether the value over replacement and appoints league shortstop on the top tiers is going to be comparable to first base. I think it's going to be in those middle rounds that starts up suffers. And it's for that reason people that you don't look you're sitting there in round three thinking, how do I want Cody Bellinger? Or should I take a second or or shortstop guy? Just take the best available because I base is not so deep anymore that you say, oh, I'm going to void Cody Bellinger. And I'll just get my first basement later, and then you're. Stuck with Mitch Moreland or Justin board don't do that like board LA? You don't come on. I do it's a good fit. But that's it's an only league discussion in a deeply in a deep lake shore. Give me Justin born a last round or Ryan o'hearn, but you know, in a standard mix, you're not drafting those guys, right? Couple of quick things watchdog in here for you. Speaking of points leagues and points league rankings and things like that. By the end of today. I will have up our draft kit with initial cheats and rankings and all that stuff that are in part of that is AJ masses points league rankings. And so you'll be able to see where he ranks these guys relatives. So if you're playing into points, like if you're playing in a ESPN standard league like he's already got him as a preview. Yeah. There's eleven first base eligible guys in the top one hundred. So, you know, you're still got options there because you've got the Encarnacion and the gallows and the guys who were going to walk and get total basis, basically. So it is a little different, obviously. And so we cover those formats, and we will have that out there for you. And so then that led me to an interesting question for tristen. Speaking of the difference between first and third base. I noticed on your rankings that this is the hash Brown from Leo in Bristol. In your rankings that Vladimir Guerrero junior is a head of Joey Votto. And I'm curious is that just a Vlad has more upside because I feel like they're very similar players, especially until Vlad really grows into the power that we think he might have. And then obviously a first base verse third base. You know, maybe maybe I'm thinking I would rather have auto and probably either format maybe wrote more specifically because I think that God could just walk a ton in that lineup. But curiouser thoughts on that. It's a fair point here, and I feel like with fato I've been inching them up a little bit. And I might based on again, the spring returns healthwise, but I worry about the players who reached this age who don't have a lot of upside anymore and did miss time last season. I actually do think God is going to rebound. The thing with Vlad. I kinda feel like his floor is higher than Joey vodkas. I really believe in the guys talent. I think he's an exceptional hit or one of the most polished of any player to debut debut in MLB as long as I've been writing this stuff. So which I mean, I'm twenty. Five, but I've been doing it for what a quarter century. So I did it when I was an infant he's he's really exceptional. You know? I I love you, man. I look into rankings. I say you're just basing a lot of this off last year. I mean, Joey Votto number sixty one I'm going to have thirty spots. Fire. I just I can't I can't say oh now, he's a girl. He's gonna hit ten home runs hit. But thirty again, this is characterizing like I'm completely down on Joey Votto, Joey Votto, it was two hundred and twelve from the player raider last year. That's one year you are down on him. This one hundred twelve I have sixty I sixty I isn't that was two years ago. What was he two years ago two years ago? Okay. I'll dig it up for two years ago is so many analysts look at only what happened in the most recent season and say, oh, that's it. That's what he is. Now, it's a new baseline Giovanna could go back to when he didn't do seventeen which was fantastic. Okay. Joey twenty in two thousand seventeen with seventeenth on the player raider. Okay. Well, that's my point in an exceptional year. This was an exceptional year for him where at first base, and based on the level of homers, an RBI that were available. Of course, the league he did not get up there into the top ten not. I'm not going to criticize the guy fully here. I'm a lot closer to two thousand seventeen finish than I was to his twenty eighteen which is my point. I thought it over you have bought over flat. Because you've Latin you fifty where's motto for you vodka will be higher than Vlad where I just. I'll probably have auto in my late thirties. Early forties and gladly be probably my forties. But yes, if you like it all comes down to if you're in a draft. And you've got sixty seconds. Make a decision who are you taking for two thousand nineteen only I might change my mind on this on Vlad based on what the blue day say. Oh, yeah. It'll be two weeks. But yeah, like, I do this every year. You know me. I know evolve. Does not too old to put up the numbers that he put up in two thousand seventeen. Yes, he stopped hitting fly balls that doesn't mean he can't go back to hitting fly balls. Maybe he was hurt. And we don't know why. I don't know what he was doing. He hasn't. He also changed his swing before. Because he was quote, unquote. Like, we could just totally see him decide to change it. Again, Bado has the most fun stat out there, by the way, you've seen this over the years. He has one pop up his entire career to either the catcher I or pitcher catcher first baseman or pitcher somebody had that out there or else he hasn't at all. His pop up rate is insanely low this guy squares the ball up like nobody else's business in the game. Maybe I'll have them. Forty five when we're looking at March. I I wanna believe you know, what I'm saying. Just don't don't be so quick not you. But in in general, people don't be so quick to write off players who were really good before last season. You know, what else is insanely low? Kyle on this show. Let's do a quick quick cash. Browse now sorry. Sorry. You got Bill wants no quick differences between Chris Archer and Louis castio coming this year. He's been burned by both in the past. I will take Archer here. Let me check Tristan's rankings and probably has the opposite briefly your thoughts on these pitchers. I actually. I like Louis. Oh my goodness. You you don't like Archer at all. Well, you'll say I do I have number forty among starting pitchers. That's not liking you. Custodio scares me because of the home runs and the second half of last season. Obviously he rebounded to look more like the rookie that we saw but Archer in that ballpark. I I still think there could be something there. He can be in a league strikeout pitcher. I'm pretty likely to have Archer ranked ahead of Custodio. And that is the case I can see I'm not on board with it. The ballpark thing is relevant to me. I mean, he was in a fan road in Cincinnati homerun haven because well, okay, if you compare the two against each other, but Archer in terms of ballpark advantage. He had it in Tampa Bay. That is easily the American League's best pitchers park. This is a slider relied reliant guy that has practically nothing else to him and my worry with that is the amount of wear and tear. It's going to put on his arm year over year. Now, maybe that that doesn't come back to haunt him the season, but I worry about the longevity of his career here. And he's also underperformed peripherals for what something like three years in a row at what point do you like that the strike gets are absolutely valuable? But there are a lot of strikeouts in the game right now. This is kind of like, you know, the who's the player I use it wasn't Nelson Cruz. There was another guy who had nothing but home runs two years ago, and they weren't as valuable compared to the rest of the league. Because there's homers everywhere. That's interesting. Rick. We're Selo maybe. It was a hitter. It was it was a hitter where I was comparing his numbers that were four years apart in was the exact same number like hit forty homers and those forty homers were worth like twenty five percent less in the more recent year archers like that the strike outs on worth as much as they are. And Louis Custodio is a guy who I still think it's getting better. The guy's got a great change. If he's got a couple of different pitches that are plus I see everything you see in Custodio just inconsistency. And that's a problem for me. But you're right Archer is not as safe as maybe I think is just a lot of strikeouts and nothing else. All right. What else? What's next two quick ones? Here. John's got a dynasty keeper league question. He wants to know if you can sell them on Alex Rae is over Clayton Kershaw. You know, somebody's trying to get outs raise from me in a dynasty league. And I can't wait to trade him. I can't I am trying and we just can't agree on what? Well, basically, neither of us are paying attention at this point. But we will be soon. But I am not bought if you said to me over under an Alex race innings for two thousand nineteen I wouldn't take over on fifty. Would you fifty? Wow, come on, man. Look at what happened. I get it. That's now I love that you brought up the over under on innings because I I can't see anybody out there with the optimism to go even beyond one twenty. He might be a reliever too. That's the other problem. Like, he the reason I said fifty there is not only because I'm scared of him being hurt and missing three quarters of the year is because he could be there seventeen guy. He can be closer right now. They have Andrew Miller, Jordan Hicks. I think for the back end of the bullpen. They still have Luke Gregor seen Brett see. So they have guys. But I'm not even sure res- ready to pitch April. And if he does who knows how many innings he gets? Yeah. I think that the injury question is much larger with race. Even that it is than Kershaw, the only I would say, I would to the only possible case I can make for you here is that if you're in a keep forever, and you really like trying to be the one who says, hey, look, I was the smart one got the better career. You might get seventy eight great years of race two years down the road. But wouldn't you want Kershaw is good year this year and curse always play? Better. Yet your next year play from now even in a dynasty league. Play to win now flags fly forever. I want to win. Now. I don't have kershaw's mice top starting pitcher. But he's he's closed. He's top ten race. I, you know, guys like Jake Faria who I'm also trying to sell them, my Dyson simply. Yeah. Maybe he's an ace. Maybe it doesn't pitch and all I have concerns. I don't wanna I don't want to take that risk with starting young starting pitcher anymore anymore. Michael kopech is going to miss this year with Tommy John. I'm trying to train him in my dynasty leak. I'm just tired of being burned by these guys missing a year. Whereas you can get. Look using as an example. Okay. We've talked about him plenty on this show. Please I know for cell is going to pitch two hundred innings this year with one hundred seventy strike as I don't know if zero is going to be three twenty or four twenty but he got a pinch. I would take him over allies. And yeah, I mean, and I completely I love Alex race. You know, my opinion of his stuff. He's got great stuff and great potential, but the potential is not right here in front of them. I think it's a couple of steps ahead, and that's optimistic about here's the way. I'll put it for you you you're trying to treat for Alex race. Who's got major questions about them? Don't you contrast Kershaw against flat? Amir guerrero. Would you do that? Yes. That that. I would there's a good question. Okay. Now, would you contrast them against humans? You know, what we're all forgetting about Illinois who could easily be ranked just as high as flat as I love Eli. You know, I'm a big fan of his and. No know, if you love him based on your ranking, basically one more I think they are keeping him in the minors for a decent chunk of time to buy the extra year. But all right. We'll see I feel like e were the balance tilts here in the keep forever leagues with Kershaw. But at least Illinois in Vlad don't have questions healthwise that Alex raise the pitcher does the music stopped half an hour ago. So I think they're trying to tell us something. You knew to this show. We just talk and sometimes we stop all right, obviously, we're done. So as as Leo mentioned the game is launched please be patient with it. It will rock, but it's a work in progress. The articles will be up the rank is Leon get you my rankings as soon as I can as soon as I can figure out. Exactly, we're Adalberto modesty belongs. Because Tristan just has them in the wrong. I'll send them back if he's not top fifty. What else whole thing results today? Congrats Marian Rivera. It's ridiculous. He will not be unanimous selection. But no one will tire process is ridiculous. At least he's in congressional family, ROY halladay. I wish he can have seen. It. Looks like editor Martinez is getting in hopefully, Mike Messina that this year or next I have a hall of fame vote. And I think for five years, I will take it seriously and like so many others. But you know, that's my soapbox vote for. Yeah. You fill out your ballot, man. If you think the guys vote for ten guys, I don't understand voting for one or eight whatever it is at least ten players that are deserving of this honor and come on give him the honor. You know, what you can say whatever you want about Harold beans and many have. But that doesn't mean that, you know, everyone else should get in. You can't compare to players like that. All right. It's a flawed system. Thanks, everybody. Who makes this show rock on next show is on the schedule for two weeks from today. It's the first Tuesday February two days after the Super Bowl. We should all be in bucolic Bristol for that wants, no permitting. Thanks, of course. Everybody makes this show. Great Kyle Daniel, Leo tristen. And I'm here to thanks for listening. We look forward to the next show in two weeks have an awesome day. Dr does.
Effectively Wild Episode 1336: Season Preview Series: Twins and Phillies
"Shave. Really? Was falsely strong held on? Used? It was done of. And welcome to episode thirteen thirty six of wild eight baseball podcast from van graphs. Presented by our patriots. Porter's? I am Lindberg of the ringer joined by Jeff Sullivan crash. So so if you look yet the recent wrote a world news Johnny Cueto sock. The pitching twenty twenty Johnny Cueto was down twenty pounds. And congratulations to Johnny Cueto a lot of weight to lose. But he's not the winner. Not even today. Louis Cahora said Friday, he's lost thirty five to forty pounds over the offseason. And Brett Ceaser said Friday that he lost forty two pounds over the season. That is a hundred pounds between three players that's been lost. That's a it's a lot of pounds. Maybe Cueto is in mourning. Maybe he's not eating because of his horse Popeye. He's another guy who doesn't have to pitch anytime soon. So doesn't really have to keep himself in shape, by the way. There was a follow up on the Popeye story. Evidently, the horse was killed by poisonous grasshoppers, which I didn't realize was the thing. I've never eaten grasshoppers not even at Safeco field. Evidently there poisonous ones and horses shouldn't eat them. I didn't know that horses. Eight grasshoppers. No, I learned a lot from update. Yeah. It is funny. When you see guys getting in these so-called best shape of their lives often that shape can be very different with some guys. They both up, and they showed up with twenty new pounds of muscle and other guys it's dropping weight, which is not the pricing because some people are underway people overweight. But it's also interesting when you see the different regimens that they followed over the winter because some guys it's like oh west year. I didn't with enough weight, and I were down over the course of a season. And so I've really bulked up this time whereas other guys will go in completely the other direction will say I booked up too much Wes year now, I've just been doing yoga and flexibility exercises, and of course, drink stuff. And so there's always a different story, but it all boils down to best shape of my life of your life. And it turns out there is a lot of misinformation when it comes to physical Venice, and what might be best for an individual player. So you can give somebody. Advice that will your flexibility when approve if you actually got stronger you should bulk up you'll hit the ball harder. Your throw the ball faster. But it turns out sometimes it's not true. And the fact that you see somebody players who just kind of ride the BMI coaster suggests that not everybody has it quite figured out. I don't know. Maybe that just means they have the wrong people in their ears. But in any case Ryan vir event is back into organs. Baseball throwing knuckleball. Well, it wasn't that long ago that people used to tell baseball players to lift weights because they would get too big and bulky and either they would tear things or they wouldn't be able to hit or it would decrease their bat speed or something let the bunk that wasn't packed up anything. But that has changed in recent years. I feel like your response. Didn't do anything to acknowledge Ryan fear. I just I moved right hunt from. I am always interested in the guy who just comes out of nowhere with an uncle ball of a sudden. But it doesn't work out. I mean almost every time it doesn't pin out into the guy coming back and throwing a great knuckleball for ten more years. But most rooting for those people because they're just not allowed to knuckle bars left one of the problems with looking at Ryan fear bend. I'm going to keep doing this looking at Ryan fair band on baseball references that at least last I checked it. He's he's been bitching career and his twenty eighteen stats aren't actually included in. So you go there, and you think oh what happened to Ryan fear been but he pitched in twenty teen to four three era in Korea and the only walked thirty eight batters and hundred sixty three third innings. This look I don't know what Ryan been is gonna do. It's probably not gonna make the major leagues and he's probably not going to be good in the major leagues. But this might be the first blue move that just makes my brain renowned Carson still he did this. So I'm going to without without asking inquiring. I'm going to assume that Carson's the Steelers responsible for the Buddhist signing knuckleballer Thirty-three-year-old, Ryan Fairmont. Yeah. That that would sound like Carson Sicily move in the genre of players reporting. With different sizes one of our guests on this episode actually met Gelb tweeted when the Phillies reported for spring training. Michael Franko looks like half of his former self and he meant that in terms of dropping weight. If a player was actually half of his former weighed her mass when he showed up for the star receives and that seems like it would probably be a curious to do your performance if you were half the size that you wear. Well, so what was it last year? Aaron judge weighed in at what about two eighty that accurate. I don't know exactly where he was. But Aaron judge quarterbacks references to eighty two and wasn't Ronald to raise like one fifty two. It wasn't that the biggest spread at least in terms of official, wait. So if Aaron judge showed up one spring with I guess his Bill you can't really drink build but Ronald Therese's, wait. Well, okay. Hold on. What would be a bigger problem? Aaron judge shows up when spring Ronald's raises way to Ronald twisters up when spring Aaron judge. Sounds like some Email questions that we've answered in the past. I would guess I mean, probably like Ronald Therese can't get that much worse than Ronald Therese Arias. Right. Like if Rowntree were very bad. He's not great to begin with. So in terms of just like sheer impact on war. I would think that Aaron judge losing half his weight would probably be a bigger impact than route Trask doubling his I guess that's fair. But you know, maybe somebody's gonna tell round the rest of bulk up. I guess we should talk sticking with the Yankees while we've been recording this sort of the Yankees agreed to a contract extension. You got. Yeah. Got thoughts on Luis Severino sticking around. Well, let me first say that this is a team preview podcast in few minutes. We will be getting to the Minnesota Twins with Aaron Glenn and the aforementioned Matt Gelb to talk about the Phillies. So that is coming up soon. But yes, I did want to just briefly Pinter about a few pitching trends here. Because you and I have both written pitching trend pieces of. Sort this week. But this seems to be another one, and maybe it's not just pitcher specific. But it could be we talked about Aaron Knowle's extension with the Phillies the other day. And yes now, we have a Luis Severino extension with the ANC means. We also have max Kepler and Jorges Lanka extensions with the twins this extension season. They're always a bunch of extensions around this time of year. But it does seem as if the Nola extension and the Severino extension and possibly the Kepler extension. Are kind of of a piece here, I was just scanning your graphs chat, and you got a bunch of questions about whether we're just gonna see a rash of extensions for arbitration eligible players because of fears of regency and you sent to said, yes, I haven't run the numbers. It'll probably do that after we were the guests. But it's also too early to look at the numbers because this offseason isn't yet complete extinction season lasts right up until opening day. And then players don't want the distraction of negotiating his. But it makes all this in the world in theory that we would start to see more extensions not only because freedoms. Has been devalued. But also because players have concerns about future work stoppage. And so they wanna get theirs while while the Ken, so we'll see if it bears out in practice. All conditions are always different. But I think there's every reason in the world to think that we are going to start seeing more and more of these extensions. We already see a few every single spring. And now he's seen what like five or six already this week spring training just started. Yeah. And the Severino extension seems like particularly team friendly run rate in as always it makes sense from the players perspective in that they're getting much richer and getting enough money to live off for the rest of their life. If they're careful with it. And so you understand why they do that. Of course, Severino was about to make multiple millions of dollars in arbitration anyway or could have so it's not as if he was necessarily lacking funds. So does the seem to you like a particularly egregious extension that a player shouldn't have signed acknowledging that it's difficult to. Pass judgment on a player for agreeing to become very wealthy. What I like about this one more for every I mean, Severino was already going to make at least four point four million dollars in arbitration if he didn't sign any sanctions, so he he was already going to have that much money. And then even in the worst case scenario where he just blows out his arm tomorrow. He would still be tendered a contract by the Yankees next year. And he would make some millions of dollars Severino was already going to be rich just moving forward without doing anything. But what I do like about this. It is it's team friendly. Luis Severino would have almost certainly made more than forty million dollars over the course of his reputation years, but he only signed away one free agent year in you think back to all those old contracts. The Chris sale contractor that Matt Moore contractor, Madison, Bumgarner, whatever contract you wanna point to and they would sign away like two or three or four would be free agent here. So at least this leaves every note more of an opportunity to get to the market, which who knows what the fridge market's gonna look like in five years. Maybe it'll be fine. There's gonna be there's still a lot. Out of money in free. Even if it's not what it was. So severing didn't sign away too much of his future rights. He was already going to be club controlled. So that's that's not so bad. Yeah. I almost wonder whether the unified messaging that we've seen from the players lately if players are all very concerned about free agency. There are some good reasons to be, but maybe they're too concerned about free agency. It's possible that it could come back to bite them. If all the players are thinking, okay, we're not going to get paid. If we actually hit the open market. So we'd better sign. These team friendly extensions than all of them will be on these sort of low dollar deals, and maybe they will shoot themselves in the feet to a certain extent. So I don't know how you legislate out the need or desire to sign the sort of extension. You'd have to have a higher minimum salary or higher arbitration figures or less team control something structural would have to change to make it not in the player's best interest because teams can always absorb the risk of anyone extension whereas players. Cannot absorb the risk of their one career going wrong because that's all they have. Right. And it's it's a little surprising to see some of these extensions happening with players looking at arbitration because when players are earlier in their careers and they're still on referee league minimum salaries. It's maybe easier to to dazzle them by dropping like tens of millions of dollars in front of them as a guarantee, but the so many of these players recently have already been looking at millions of dollars guaranteed to them through arbitration. Or in the case of certain players like Aaron Nola had a signing bonus in the draft of three point three million dollars. Like, these players are already wealthy wealthier than you. And I not maybe wealthy by major league standards. But still this is I do look forward to running some of the numbers and seeing how this actually works out seeing what off last offseason, look like relative to some of the ones previous because there's every reason the world that we would see more and more of this. And you're right. This is kind of how it snowballs. If players veteran players start circulating all these fears about free agency, then you're gonna get more of these players signing below market extensions. And then everything just gets worse. And worse and worse at least from from that standpoint on the field is still the same. But you know, now where this is in the air where we're not just about the product on the field anymore. Right. All right. So I look forward to your findings on that. Maybe we'll talk about them next time. And maybe we can save a mex- Kepler question for Aaron in minute. But the other trends, I was alluding to you wrote about velocity. And what seems to be a stagnation in league wide classy, I wrote about pitching prospect. So I'll just summarize that first everyone knows saying the sabre metric credo from the ninety s there's no such thing as a pitching prospect, and that has always been something of an exaggeration. Not literally true. But these days it actually seems to be more accurate than ever. If you look at the top of top prospect lists, regardless of the source. You'll just see what fewer pitchers than there used to be. It's been a long time since we a number one ranked pitcher if you scan the list this year, I think fan graphs has three pitchers in its top twenty prospects. And that's. Including a two way player Brennan McKay. Lot of other sources have one pitcher in the top eleven or ten or twelve. It's usually forest Whitley is like fourth or fifth or seventh or something. And then to awhile before you get to the next pitcher. So it talked to a bunch of prospect ranker's and does seem to be a real trend. JJ Cooper baseball. Merica was telling me that they've had a lot of internal conversations about this. They're aware of it. They've talked to people in the industry who have said that this reflects what team lists look like there's just west confidence in pitchers now. There are just as many pitching prospects in say a top one hundred. We haven't seen a big decline there. But they're not clustered close to the top anymore. They're distributed toward the bottom of the list because the top ten the top twenty. Those are supposed to be your blue chippers. You're no doubters guys, you can really count on and pitchers cannot become too as we know. They have a lot of injuries there riskier if you look at me historical outcomes for top hitting prospects versus top ten. Ching prospects, the hitting prospects always outperform the pitcher. So this is just kind of a correction that maybe has been a long time coming I think public prospect ranker's have sort of been seduced by the ceiling of players. And now, maybe they're considering the realistic and expected outcomes a little more. So it's both injuries. And it's also the changes in pitcher usage where even if you get a really good starting pitcher. He's throwing two hundred innings now. Instead, a two fifty and maybe doesn't even get to two hundred. So a good pitcher just maybe not make the sort of impact that a good pitcher made in the past. So that's the trend. I wrote about an obviously that is related to velocity because Voss has had something to do with the epidemic of injuries. But you've found that it seems like the increase at least is slowing or has actually stopped that something actually stumbled upon for the first time live on this podcast. You might remember a few weeks ago up some data, and I thought, oh, this looks a little areas and looking at some of the trends, the velocity surge that I think we all. About a few years ago where league wind philosophies were on the up and up has plateaued doesn't mean it's done growing for sure but rookies aren't throwing harder now than than they did a few years ago the league wide fastball lawsuits have an increase them much and the rate of pitches thrown above ninety five or one hundred miles per hour hasn't meaningfully increased in the last few years. And so it makes you wonder maybe players have maybe conditioning who's improvements word that he's implemented. Now, everybody is already throwing it at around one hundred percent, of course, as more to pitching well in the majors than just throwing his heart as you can. But you know, we're we're kind of pushing up against physiological boundaries. And you as far as I know if a body is created to top out at ninety seven or ninety eight you can't make that body throw ninety nine or a hundred there's nothing you can do. Now. I'm sure if I were to have a conversation with people drive line, maybe they could steer me to something. Maybe a little more nuanced in maybe can develop tendon strength or strengthened other areas. But generally, we the harder majorly pitcher's throwing. The closer. We are to the limit of how hard majorly pitchers can throw. And so it's just interesting to see the last few years that there is no real movement anymore. Of course strike at rates continues to increase by bit. But I think you, and I both understand why that would be because it trying to get more strikeouts. They have the data advantage over the hitters, and they're throwing fewer fastballs. The threat of the hard. Fastball makes a change upper a slider. Curveball more dangerous. And so as pitchers are able to optimize repertoires. Of course. They're going to be more strikeouts. Batters are not disincentivize really from striking out because strike go hand-in-hand with productive plate appearances a lot of the time. So it's not pitcher velocity that's causing the strike at to continue to go up. But this does now make me reconsider whether the league needs to move the mound back, but I am still interested in maybe lowering the Madden and seeing with that do. Yeah. And part of it is pitcher usage has increased velocity too. Because you have starters going deep into game. So they don't have to pace themselves. You've guys coming in for an inning at a time. Maybe the pace of change there. I mean, that's still seems to be changing somewhat where you have guys facing the order for the third time less and less often. So you'd think that that would continue to drive the up at least a little bit even in the absence of actual changes on an individual basis, which we know that fastball speed is more mutable than it. Once was there all these science back to programs now for increasing velocity. But there are limits there, and I don't know maybe the pace of change has slowed a little like using an opener is not necessarily gonna drive up velocity. Because it's just a guy pitching in the beginning of the game instead of later in the game. But there are still some trends there where I was sorta surprised to see that stagnation because listener asked us about this when we talked about it before you don't think it's related to the rise of position player pitching. Right. That that there's not a there aren't enough innings going position players. Even now that that would be driving down or at least restraining the increase. Oh, no, no. Okay. All right. Okay. So I guess it's good news. Maybe for baseball that philosophy does not continue to climb. But obviously even where it is. It is we to strike outs and lots of injuries and by extension extensions. So we will stop there and take a quick break. And we'll be back in just a moment. With Aaron Glenn to talk about the twins, followed by Matt gilt Phillies. Fifty. Well this week baseball prospectus annual perspectives two thousand eighteen begun to arrive in some of your mailboxes. And right now, one of the co editors of that book Aaron Glenn has arrived on the podcast. Hello, Aaron little, okay. While we're on the subject wanna give us a quick plug. I don't know if there's anyone who doesn't know what the PP, and you'll is or looks like at this point. But hey, it's out there, and you can go get it. Yes. It is. I don't know six hundred something pages of tons of baseball stats and essays and player comments. And all that stuff. If you haven't for some reason, if you've listened to this podcast, and you've never read a BP annual nineteen bucks. Get it available. We're all books are sold. I'm relatively confident that if you listen to my voice right now, you'll think it's a good deal for nineteen bucks. I agree. Well, I almost rescinded our invitation to you to come on this podcast because you tweeted what you think the projected opening day twins roster will. Look like did not include William tested, the oh. Where in the venture starting lineup. I was very upset to see this. But I that you are just trying to project what the twins will do not necessarily what you think the twins should do. We know at least that s DO has gotten permission to enter the country and we'll be into camp on Saturday. So we can continue to play the twin season to cancel the whole thing. He will be there. But we have to get the STO question out of the west because we we start every podcast by talking about us to DO. So we're certainly going to start the twin segment that him. When will he be there? What role will he play? How much will win fans and all of us get to see him this season. I feel the need to say I am. I am on the lots to abandon obviously, like like many people including you guys. I viewed him has as let's say like a person of intrigue before he was called up to the twins. And then after actually watching him in August and September I'm fairly convinced that he's not only major league Calver player, but should be in the majors. Like, he's not just a borderline guy. But the issue there like you said when I tried to map out what they're opening day roster is they have Jason Castro making I think eight and a half million this year, and they have Mitch Garber who spent much last year as the primary catcher after Jason Castro got hurt. And so that leaves s the deal as the potential third catcher, which you know, most teams including the twins are not gonna keep a third catcher. He could potentially make it in sort of a quasi utility role. But I think most likely because he has a minor league option left. He's gonna be the fans of Rochester. New York are the ones who get to watch Williams as the deal at the beginning of season, absolutely infuriating. But whatever I guess we'll move on from that. And we'll talk when he comes back up, but looking looking at the twins, this this whole offseason so much at least for the first month or two is there's a lot of conversation. But have the Indians we're gonna take an intentional step back. Maybe trade Corey kluber one of their starters in one of the reasons for that was because the Indians weren't being pushed they're in a terrible division last season. It. Division that looked like it was not going to be very good again in twenty nineteen and you look at the twins this and the similar to last offseason. They've been busy. They've added. See crown Jonathan scope Nelson Cruz Martine Peres like Parker, Michael Pineda's going to be on the team this year after missing last year, Tommy John surgery. So the twins of been busy. But their payroll is projected to be down by about twenty million dollars. There are players out there on the market that can help what is your level of satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the twins off seasons at this point. It's low, although whatever it was six weeks ago. One of let's say the day, they signed Elson Cruz. I felt like that put a finishing touch on their plans for the lineup. And I liked it a lot I thought Nelson. Cruz was a great pickup like you said scope and Cronin. Some other moves at that really worked. Well, and my assumption at that point was okay now, they'll turn their attention to the pitching side, and they still have twenty five maybe thirty million dollars to reasonably expect them to spend. And at that same point whether it was six or eight weeks ago. Like, you said the everyone was kind of wondering if the Indians we're going to not tear it down. But but shed some more expensive parts and see you add those things together. And it was one of the few times in recent memory where I think twins fans were like, oh, wow. Are we gonna see some aggressive? Good moves might they try to swoop in and take this division a year or two head of schedule. And then it turns out no not really Martine Peres in and Blake Parker. The only moves they've made sense. And as you pointed out on Twitter, it's kind of ironic fit the twins just seemed to have shed the amount of money that they used to be paying our. So that twin's vins were upset and thought that Mauer's contract prevented them for making other moves. And now now is contract is gone. And they just have not replied that money to anyone else. It's it's on. I mean, I've spent so much of my online baseball dome. Trying to fight back against people who say either that Johm Mauer is overrated or overpaid or some combination. And then he's finally out of the picture. Clear twenty three million. And I like like you mentioned there at one zero five in terms of current payroll and last yet opening day, I think they were at one twenty eight and change which that's twenty three million which exactly what our makes. And I think there's a decent chance. Similar to what they did last spring training when they brought in like Lance Lynn in Logan Morrison very late. I think there's a chance that they end up signing another player or maybe even two to a one year deal whoever falls into their laps. But they're gonna be still think ten or fifteen at the very least below last year's payroll which. Yeah, it turns out Mauer might have been the only thing keeping them from having a very very low payroll. I know it's always easy to spend somebody else's money. And you know, there's always a two way street here. But as you look at the twins, especially after signing Martine Peres, you know, if they wanted to left you get Grandpa's Dallas on the market. You look at the bullpen. They got like Parker. But the angels didn't even want Blake Parker and Craig Kimble's out. There is a closer. Like could there be? Two more obvious fits for the steam right now, if they wanted to push the buttons because like you said like we've all said they do have the money to spend. But have there been any indications of those players or even the least bit interested? Not really no not that. I don't even really try to play the role of reporter. But you know, I've I've tried to reach out to the few twins people who will reply back to me and say, basically what you were just asking. Which is is there any chance here that if Kimbrell has to settle for three year deal that you guys will jump in. Or if wants to do a short term deal that you guys will jump in. And they always basically say, well, we're not the the phone lines are open. But I don't think it's going to happen. I think the more frustrating part for me because I at the beginning of the offseason. I certainly wasn't projecting them to sign either of those guys. But the frustrating part to me is why not sign I don't know Sewri a- or Robertson or some reliever along those lines even like a Cody Allen hype. Instead, it's just been Blake Parker who you know, can be a decent reliever. I think. If you look at their bullpen needs all kinds of help, obviously Craig kimbrel. I think would make tons of sense and realistically the money this year and the money next year would have really no impact on their voting to build long-term. Because like we just mentioned their twenty something million short of last year's payroll and even after signing a couple of guys to extensions today. Officially plonk in Kepler. I think they're total guaranteed money on the books for next year's like twelve million. So you could overpay kimbrel or Kyko this year and next year, and maybe even twenty twenty one, and it really wouldn't hinder you at all. But yeah, I I'm not even you know, I'd say there's like a three percent chance that either of those things have sadly, Jeff, and I were just talking about the extensions that have recently been signed. And we have tabled are cock about the twins extensions and saved it for you. So next Kepler and her hip Lunka have both been signed to extensions. How do you project those players over the life of those deals and particularly Kepler sin? He's been kind of regarded as a popular breakout pick in some circles, and he doesn't seem to have priced himself as someone who's about to break out. I've view them sort of similarly, I think there's more to be I guess potentially on locked in Kepler just because he's a really good defensive outfielder. He draws walks. He has I think a pretty good approach at the plate. He can hit twenty five homers, but his batting average on balls and play has just been abysmal every year. And so I think there's some tweak that they could potentially make there in terms of his swing that would unlock it. Hold a whole new like window of opportunity for him to be an impact guy Palumbo. Think is eventually gonna wind up at second base and eighth place hitter who hits seventy five with a bunch of doubles solid player. I think both of them have a high enough floor that you really can't go wrong with extensions like this. I mean, I'm sort of of the opinion that you can't go wrong on extensions like this period. Unless you just choose the worst players on your team to give them to. But the the reward is so high in terms of Bino free agency, and the really the worst case scenario is that even if both of these guys became terrible players, which I don't think they will. But even if that happens you're out like twelve million dollars a year when we just finished discussing the twins aren't even really max out there payroll, not even close anyway. So I like both of those moves I think the next step that they should hopefully be trying to take his lockup Jose burrito who obviously has a lot more upside. But he's also a two plus year guy in terms of service time, it's seems like they're not going to approach to know or Buxton because they approached both guys last offseason with offers and then things have gone haywire. Since then I'm going to leave the Buxton question to Ben. 'cause I look there's going to be a Buxton question is probably going to be four bucks questions. This could be a half hour Buston questions. But let's go right onto to an anonymous player last year the twins replaced Byron Buxton with Jake cave, and I could just reading aloud gave batted. Deed Hata half seasons with plate appearances had a one away WC. Plus it for our is Jay cave. Good. I think Jake cave is a pretty good hitter. And can be a really nice hitter. If platoon I think the big question with him is he's not a center fielder. I think he's pretty brutal centerfield any might not really even be a plus in the corners, which have Buxton Senator of Kepler. And right. You have any resigned and left. I think caves probably if things go, according to plan gonna get two hundred fifty at bats something like that this year, maybe three hundred he's a nice player like I think a borderline starter. But I think he's also I think he's twenty six years old, and he was cut loose by the ankles off their forty man roster because they had numbers crunch, and it's wins swooped in grabbed them. So I think he's like a good pickup and a useful player. I just think the odds are he's gonna come back down to earth a little bit. Here's the Buxton question. Or maybe we'll make it a combination Buxton to note question, and you can just talk for ten minutes. So I saw that you tweeted the year by year progression. Number one, same age comparable players for Buxton and snow, according to coda and Buxton's comps over the past several years have included Robin yount, Mike trout, Christian yelich, sonoma's comps have included just enough in Giancarlo Stanton. Kris Bryant and their two thousand nineteen comes are Austin Jackson for Byron Paxton and Mark Reynolds for Galvano Ray have come down in the world, according to coda. So what should we expect out of both of these guys at this point? It's like they would both be stars. It's looked like they would both be nothing where we're going to end up with them either this year in the future. I mean that is a very sad progression. It made me sad typing out. But what makes it even sadder? I think is there's not that much of me that really disagrees with where they stand. Now. I think the Mark Reynolds comp in particular for snow, which I think he said the last two years is seems kind of fitting to me in that. He's a guy who came up. And showed a bunch of power. But then the flaws were exposed and he's been a decent player. I mean, he said some thirty Homer seasons. But he's not really a good third baseman. So he's more of a first baseman, and he's probably gonna hit two thirty more often than he hits to seventy and you start in because he strikes out so much and you start to talk about it, and you go, well, that's kinda worse. Annot is I still think signal has more upside than that, certainly? But if snow settles in is like a two fifty hitter with some walks and some power, and he's really more of a first baseman than the third baseman. That's not really the type of guy, particularly in, you know, at this point in in team building in power hitting as an era that you really want to build around, which makes me think that there's more reason to have faith in Buxton still turning out to be an impact guy. But I say that if someone who says that every year, I feel like I've said that thirty years in a row, even though Buxton's only like twenty five and there's only really been like three months during that time where I've been right? And during those three months, I just constantly brag about how. I am that Buxton's breaking out. And then he gets hurt or he goes back to being terrible hitter. But the thing that Buxton can fall back on his healthy. He's a great center fielder. And he's probably one of the two best base runners all baseball. So even if he hits like to forty with fifteen homers. I think he's an all star caliber guys. So I've it's gone back and forth because I mean, sin wasn't all-star basically a year ago before he he had significant leg injury. But I have more faith now in Buxton, but that should be taken with large grains of salt because I am may I may renowned Buxton Bobo here locally. So during the twenty seven twenty twelve off season Derek fell v was the Indians co director of baseball operations along with David Stearns. Who is of course, now in charge of the brewers twenty sixteen Falvo was promoted to assistant GM and then in October of two thousand sixteen Derek valve he was hired to run the twins for the most part. So he had he's he's now completed his third off. Season one of the Twinsies had two regular seasons under the belts. So by this point, whatever Derek valves preferences are shoot have been implemented. He should have the organization that he was hoping to build. So in your estimation. You've had little over two years of the Derek valve Iran, Minnesota Twins. What is your evaluation of the team's front office? I think they have fall and also Thad LeVine. Have who is brought in from Texas at the same time to be at the GM. They've built the organization they want. They've brought in whether it's coaching whether it's player development. Whether it's research and development analytic guys they've spent a ton of additional resources compared to the previous regime who basically spent on on the decide and they've brought in a lot of people who I think are incredibly smart from some of our favorite websites and some of our favorite front offices, and that and in talking to those people you can't help but be impressed and be optimistic about the things they're doing behind the scenes now with that said. They just haven't done much in terms of onfield stuff or acquisitions except for maybe the Nelson Cruz signing. They've been trading away some people they've been making budget signings, which is sort of was has been the twins them for fifty years. So I'm very confident that this front office knows what it's doing is moving in the correct direction and his done, particularly behind the scenes a lot of things that the average fan may not care about. But will ultimately like the results from but you still have to put a good team on the field. And I do feel like they have taken a similar stance to the previous regime, and that it's well, we don't need to spend now 'cause we're waiting we're waiting and we're waiting in at some point. You know, I think fans is kind of sick that sink. It was a little embarrassing for the twins at the deadline last year when they traded Ryan Presley to the Astros and Presley went on to be one of the best relievers in baseball in the second half. Because. Does the Astra's set him down and made some recommendations about ways he could change his approach, and he did and suddenly he reached a whole new level not that he had been bad for the twins. So that seemed like an indication that the twins had some breakdown of communication somewhere along the way from the front office to the field, and they took steps to rectify that this offseason, can you give us some insight into the twins managerial makeover and they're coaching staff turnover. I think that's one hundred percent, right. What you said is everyone respects Paul Molitor? He is truly a legend in Minnesota and Milwaukee to I guess but in Toronto, but the problem that I think people found were a the sort of day to day relationships weren't there with Molitor who's like almost seventy years old and some of the twenty five year old players. But the bigger thing was what you just mentioned with Ryan Presley. And there were some other examples where they felt like wall Molitor was somewhat open to let's call it. The new school. Approach. He wasn't really a effective middleman. In terms of getting that information into the hands in the minds of players. And so they replaced him with Rockall ball deli who by all accounts seems to be potentially one of the more effective people. You could ever find it that. And then on the particularly on the pitching side, they hired west Johnson from the college ranks to be their new pitching coach. And I'm reading some of the quotes early in camp from I think Blake Parker had one. And there's a couple other pitchers who have talked about working on them. He's you know, he's breaking out all the tech. He can possibly find. And the early quotes are all basically, I have no idea what he was talking about. But he made it make sense to me. And now, I'm tweaking this, and I'm tweaking that and I think that's one of the the bigger reasons for optimism for twenty nineteen and also beyond is that they can start to get more out of the talent. They have on hand. I think particularly in the pitching side looking at the Beijing side. I don't know if there are many more intriguing. Young pitchers in major league baseball than Jose, bro. Sees I think it's probably fairly common knowledge. Now that there's the some pretty flattering pitch comes to the late Jose Fernandez in the pitches that he's able to throw but looking at twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen burritos didn't seem to take a huge step forward. He's he's still clearly very good. He gets a lot of strikeouts limits as walks, but is in in your mind, how close is Jose burritos right now to being a finished product. And what do you think that finished product would look like, I think he right now is probably I know number two starter. I think what you said is right that he he's really good. But he hasn't quite taken that jump to great yet. And I think part of it is if you look back not only last year, but the year before he really kinda fell apart down the stretch. And I wonder you know, he's he's a small pitcher. He's a slight pitcher always in great shape. I think that was one of the issues from the moment. They drafted him was how much terms of workload can this guy handle. And I think there's some concern that he doesn't break down. Physically. But he just loses a little bit of affective nece and starts give homers can't last as long in starts. I think there's also in terms of pitch mix and the way he approaches things I think the twins. I don't know if they said this on the record. But I know they feel like there's a couple of small tweaks they can make to try to unlock a little more potential just by having him focused on the things he does well, and and kinda ditch the pitches, or at least these situations where used those pitches that is ineffective, and I realized every pitch and coach every team is trying to do that. But I think there's I'm relatively optimistic about Berea something, I think he's he's a super hard worker. The talent just like from a pure arm talent standpoint is is for sure number one started caliber. So he's he's a huge key. Because if he doesn't take a step forward the rest of their rotation and really the whole pitching staff is is pretty underwhelming. Yeah. Will after years and years decades of constructing their pitching staff out of Brad Radke? Clones who were not mostly as good as. Radke the twins. Finally got out of the strikeout rate basement last year, they weren't one of the best strike at teams in baseball. But for the first time in a while, they weren't one of the worst than brioche was part of that. So it was return of Trevor may who's now a pitcher again in addition to a twits dreamer is there. Anyone else on the way who could send that strikeout rate soaring, even higher how high can it go who else was responsible for that change Taylor? Rogers is a guy who took a huge step forward last year in their coat on him to basically be their primary setup. Man. I think he was a former fifth starter type throughout the miners left-hander who got knocked around by righties all the time and then became kind of a mediocre middle reliever. Then all of a sudden last year turned his breaking ball until weapon and was bliss just phenomenal. Especially down the stretch, the one guy that I would really point to as having the potential to be an impact on along with burritos is Fernando Romero who's been a top hundred prospect for a while now. But the the question they have with him. Now is it's he's been a starter. Throughout his career. And he had five good starts with the twins last year. And then, you know, six or seven bad ones. And it sounds like they're all but settled on him if he begins the season the majors it'll be as a reliever so one I'm curious about there is what be traditional relief rural. Or will? It be a multi inning two three times a week role where they can maybe get him to ninety or one hundred innings anyway in which case, my usual protests against moving young starters to permanent relief. Roles won't be a strong because as long as you can get more than sixty five innings out of them in there may be higher leverage. That's fine with me. But yeah, I think he's he's an example of guy who could be an impact arm Pineda who you mentioned earlier if he's anything like he was pre injury would be really good. Although I feel like pre injury is sort of a constant state for Pineda. But other than that, I'm not SuperFood about their their bullpen options. Which goes to what I was saying earlier about I just don't I I'm confused about why spending eight. Or ten million on a proven good quality veterans setup man wasn't really in in the cards. You took my Kayla Rogers question before it could ever Escott. And I guess I can't really move onto a Trevor Hilden Birger question because that would have been more relevant year ago. So as you as you look at the twins. Now, this is a roster. That's clearly even just with burritos and Buxton and Keppler alone. There's there's a lot of upside that's on this roster right now. But do you think and also to question your degree of confidence is this organization moving in in the right direction is this team on the upswing? And and if you believe that it is because there is help coming through the minor leagues. Have some of the couple of the the best prospects in baseball at this point list, according to graphs, but how long do you think it would be until you go into these new? You know, the twins are at least as good as the Indians are and we're ready to actually contend for the title. Okay. That was like a thousand points question. Whatever choose I'm guilty of doing that too. So I don't I'm play that. Okay. So I think they're moving in the right direction. I think the frustrating thing is that this year, they're just sort of content to tread water. But at the same time as you mentioned treading water might still be a pretty decent team in terms of when they can realistically overtake the Indians. I think a lot of that has to do with the Indians. But I would say there's a decent chance that this time next year. If guys have me back onto chat about the twins were at least talking about more of a neck and neck race at the top of the central. Yeah. I mean, they have Royce Lewis and outs care lawf- and grad rawal, they have quite a few high upside prospects, but I think they're probably wanted two years away, at least from a stab wishing himself this year that twins keep saying this is all about we need to find out if Buxton and sano are still worth building round they need to find out if if burritos can be a true, frontline number one starter. But yeah, I think this part of what's difficult in terms of. Of the local narrative here, which I am way too immersed. In is all the frustration that we talked about with not adding to the pitching staff and not spending competitively is separate from the fact that while they're still a pretty decent team. I think pagoda has them at eighty one wins. I think fan graphs hasn't met like eighty two or eighty three wins. I absolutely see eighty five. Plus when team coming out of this roster at this point. But I would argue that makes it even more frustrating that they didn't spend another fifteen twenty million to try to make it an eight win or are a ninety one young. Of course by the time. We're talking about with the twins are better than the Indians were as good than we may also be talking about whether the White Sox can enters discussion. So that's a problem from the twins respect of too. So, you know, the drill we always end with the wind. Total prediction, and you sort of anticipation that they're you said, you could see eighty five or more wins. But how many do you expect to see? Okay. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say eighty four wins. How about that? Right. And do you think that this core? The current kind of Kepler Buxton sano group of players will make the playoffs again. Or do you think it's going to take until the next wave the Lewis's, and Greta role and KIRO laughs come along. I think it will take to the next wave. But I think that I don't think it will have to. I don't think we'll have to wait as long as it will take for Lewis and care lav to be the best players on the team for them to make the playoffs. But I do think they will need their help to make the playoffs. I think it'll be you know, Buxton, obviously, Keppler employees encore going to be around for a while. I think sonoma's the one that is less likely to be around long term you add in Lewis and care live. Maybe in their second year. Let's say, and then I think that that's a lot closer to it consistent contended. I don't think you said yesterday when they're at all that's true. I mean, that's here's the thing. We joke about them. But our projections have missed like one of the ten best hitting catchers in baseball. All I suspect that Zimba skis zips projections are the same like I'm pretty convinced that he's not a butcher defensively. And so part of me wants to joke about him because he's such a just a fun personality. But part of me also wants to say like if you give him one hundred starts at catcher, I'm pretty sure he's going to push you towards the playoffs. And that I don't know. It's I feel like I'm on crazy pills. When I say that. But I'm starting to believe that more and more. No, I heard I heard from a team person not a twins team person. Either not too long ago. I just I asked what do you think of that has to do is like, well, you know, he's at least a top thirty catcher in major league baseball due to be starting. So anyway, long story short just go to Colorado. Give us one more prediction than what day does s the DO play his first game for the two thousand eighteen twins. That's going on. I will say may third and I'll say he ends up with more than two hundred plate appearances for the twins. Okay. Where will he play the most games catcher? But also a little bit of D H. I think will maybe a little bit of first base. I mean, he started a game in center field for them. And he started multiple games at third base and second base. So I don't even know like I feel like we've talked our selves into like the story. And then all of a sudden the story happened. And now, I'm not even sure like how to react to it. So now after this conversation, I'm fully on board. Let's maybe I'll go pick it outside at target field. I wanna miss the opening day starter. Let them play all nine positions on opening day. Listen to the grassroots people. Karen, Cleveland, the voice of the twins fans. All right. So that concludes our twin slash DO preview podcast. You can find Aaron writing baseball prospectus and in the annual which also edited you can hear him on gleaming. And in the end, you can find him on Twitter hearing Leeman. Thank you as always. Thank you. All right. So we will take another quick break. And we'll be right back with Gelb. The to talk about the Phillies. All right. So we are back in MIR. Joined now by the Phillies beat writer for the ethic. Matt gal. Hey, matt. So I guess we should just get the inevitable out of the way here. I think with most teams in most winters, you might look at what the Phillies have done and say, hey, they've been active, and they made a lot of moves. They signed inter cut chin. They traded for JT real they signed David Robertson. They just extended or Nola good job Phillies. But no one really seems to be saying that right now because we're all waiting for the Harper or Machado move or the Harper and Machado moves. So why hasn't it happened yet? What are the odds that it will happen? If it doesn't happen will John Middleton be burned in effigy. Even without the gene cigarette trade. I mean, they they have had right? A great offseason. And that's not you can say two things that they've had a great off season. And that it's not complete yet. And that's because the market has really I think shaped up in their favor. So what's going to happen? I I don't know. And anyone who tells you they know is lying right now. I think this like why pick. Taken so long the players wanna sign on their terms and the teams wanna sign the deal on their term. I mean, that's kinda simple as that. I mean, it's not to diminish like all the work that goes into the Goshi shins and figure out where the best fit is. But I think that's where we're at right now. I think it's just kinda stare staring contest between you know, all these sides. And I think the Phillies view themselves as being in a in a position of strength right now. And that no whatever offers they've made their they're just gonna kinda stick with it. And and hope that somebody blinks on the players side. They're hoping that try to get more teams involved and hope that maybe the Phillies or another team blinks too. So I think that they will sign one of these guys I don't know which one is going to be I don't know when it's going to be I think it'll be before opening day. But I don't know maybe hot. I think they're going to land one of these guys. I mean, they the way the market is shaped up, you know, a year ago, we would've never would've never predicted the market would have gone this way. I think the Phillies, you know, could could stand benefit from from how it all went down. And and I think I ther harbor Matata will be on this team and would cap what would be, you know, a really momentous Aussies for them. I mean, they have gotten substantially better in my opinion. Yeah. Do you think one of the two makes more sense or would improve them more just from a talent or positional perspective? And and if they don't lend one of them for whatever reason do think Phillies fans will revolt or will they be able to look at all the other moves and save. Hey, we got better this winter, even without one of those guys, I think Philly's fan would reveal and, you know, why I mean, you know, it's because you know, the expectations were raised pretty high mean it was beyond the words of John Middleton. I mean, you know, the Phillies have been looking at those offseason for a long time. I mean, it was. You know, Manny Machado and price. Just didn't come freedoms. I dunno where I mean, they had targeted this off season as time to really start flexing their financial might and they have. I mean, look they sent I think the second most region dollars last off season. I think they're, you know, they're in the top five maybe top three this off season even before possible, you know, high money finding in one of those guys so they have flex their financial might I think given the way last year ended and the way, you know, expectations where this off season, and the fact that the market that they're competing for all we know against teams like the Padres and the White Sox for these players. I mean, yeah, I think people would be upset if they didn't sign one of them is that fair to the Phillies who you know, have had a really good off season. I I don't know. I mean, I think they should sign one of them. I mean, they have the payroll do it. They have the you know, they have the roster flexibility to do it. And I think that me more than anything is what is impressive about their off-season. They made all these moves signing traits and not once they compromise. Is really, you know, they're flexibility. I mean, they are sitting here making all this moves that we talked about and still Bryce Harper and Manny Machado fit somewhere on the roster who's the better fit. I think just positionally because he third base. He'd be an elite defender an elite offensive player. You know, Manny Machado is probably the best baseball fit. Is he the best fit period for franchise city? I don't know. I mean, people are constantly debating, you know, his his hustle, his attitude, and I it's not for me to jump into that. I don't know what kind of teammate is by all counties, terrific teammate. I don't know how Manny Machado or Bryce Harper would respond after getting a a major contract. They these are things that they are considering and when you're talking about a contract of this size, and this kind of dollar value, you know, sometimes more than baseball things factor into it. And that's that's part of it. I mean, those extra variables you know, could influence decision, but look Machado might be a better position fifth. But. For to. I mean, they they haven't outfield the hell down right now by Nick Williams, who has had a, you know, a decent started major league career. But he could you know, they could easily upgrade there. And then they would roll Andrew mccutchen and newborn Harare slash Roman Quinn and possibly Bryce Harper. So there there's there's a fit for both these guys on the roster. I guess we're just gonna talk about these two for the entire segment that we're doing here. But you know, now now that players have reported to camp beard, you're down there. It's one thing you try to as a team you try to get moves done during the earlier part of the offseason. So that you don't end up in this position where everybody on the team knows that the Phillies are in pursuit of many Machado or Bryce Harper. But at the same time now everybody's together. You've got Michael Franko Scott Kingery out there playing to win third base. You've got a dual Harare Nick Williams Roman Quin trying to win two spots in the outfield. I know maybe this is sort of soft subjective question. But what is the mood now with players in camp trying to win jobs when at least. Certain segment of them know that if it was their way, those players aren't going to have jobs in front of them anymore. Yeah. It's weird. I mean, there's no way around it. It's a weird dynamic and the players are. Well, this whole thing like they know that they could wake up one day, and that's their bosses have have hired a replacement for them. So it's it's it's weird. I mean, this usually happens before everyone gets the camp, and you know, you can make it a much less personal transaction. I mean, you, you know, the these transactions are hard for teams 'cause you're you're you're you're training people or you're replacing people it's harder when you're going to have to face to face here in spring training. So it's a it's a weird dynamic. You know, I mean like everyone's saying, well, we're, you know, we're going off you something that we rosters here. We have our full roster. But you know, nobody truly believe that. I mean, everybody knows that that replacement could come into camp any day. And you know, I I've heard scouts and I've heard people say in the baseball before one spring you're playing for for twenty nine other teams too. There's always somebody watching and that, you know, even if you're on the edge of a Roth. Or that just because you don't think you might make this roster doesn't mean you won't make another Rosser and that can serve as motivation for guys. But I I don't know if that's enough motivation. So to talk about something other than Harper Machado earlier this week. We did the Diamondbacks preview and we talked about the late season collapse. And what it meant if anything and Scillies, of course, ended their season in a very similar fashion. So what was perceived to be the culprit for how they finished was it just a a lack of strength on the roster that got exposed guys getting worn down. Was it a failure of leadership and did any of the analysis of how that happened impacts? How they went into this winter. Yeah, I think if I were to put the blame on one thing, it was just, you know, the roster was kinda held together, you know, with rubber bands for of the season. I mean the pitching starting pitching was remarkable for the first three or four months season. And they were doing it despite just horrific defense behind them and inconsistent lineups warning. Them and the defense never got better the lineup. Never got in starting pitching really wilted in August and September and everyone else out of our no of you know, just had a rough a rough finish the season. And you know, it was too much to expect the starting rotation to simply carry the team all the way. And almost did. I mean, that's kinda amazing. They wanna eat a game. They had a fourteen win improvement. You know, despite you know, depending on what defensive metrics, even if you just use your is one of one of just worst defense is we've seen in the last decade and inconsistent lineup. It's amazing to me the one eighty games last year and really is. And so, you know in their post mortem all this. I think they looked at the defensive somewhere they need to improve. And and I think they have improved. They're gonna big out Hoskins back to first base out of the Andrew mccutchen who was obviously not a center fielder anymore, but know should be good in a corner. Spot especially corner spot. That's says Bank car they picked teen score. Who is not a superstar defender, but he is at least average. To above average. And that will be upgrade over as drew Cabrera and got king ridge, which is really what they use for most of last season. So they they have gone better defensively they picked up real new toe. You know, who how far showed terrific games defensively last year. But now, you you fought in a guy who is the best if you know, one of the best catchers in baseball, and and a terrific defender. So they prioritize the defense. And that's why there were questions about not upgrading to starting rotation. They believe that a defensive upgrade is almost up to the rotation right now. And we'll see if that logical. I suspect that come July. You know, they could be on the trade market looking for some rotation help. But we'll say, so let's talk about that real military for for few minutes here because they did pick up the guy who seems to be the best Gagarin baseball at this point. I when I when I wrote about real modem in the case for him being the best in baseball. I realize afterward like, oh, I think people already know this actually people recognize that he is a he's blossomed into an excellent dollar catcher. And there is. Interesting divergence, I think that when you looked at how the trade was received publicly, of course, whoever wins a trade sweepstakes, just like whoever wins a Fredin. Sweepstakes will be the the high bidder and publicly there was a lot written about how the Marlins did a great job and the Phillies gave up too much. But then there was also a lot ridden citing industry sources saying that at least around the game. A lot of a lot of front office and executives were impressed that the Phillies we're able to get real motive for as little as they gave up. So where where do you think the the difference Independen is coming from? And how do you evaluate giving up far when and Sanchez and Stuart given some of the price tags that were talked about earlier in the season. So it's a I think it's a fascinating trade in cop out to say that both you said really well, and I think both teams did I mean both teams are in different cycles right now. Come Marlins are rebelling cycle, the Phillies are no longer rebuilding cycle. They they have different priorities and this trade pill. Both those priorities. I look at the straight. I think it's really. Interesting because I described this trait as being risky, but that doesn't mean that doesn't mean it's a negative thing. I mean, the risk that Philly's got back as minimal JT Romeu as his very worse will be one of the best pitchers in baseball for the next two years. At least I mean, I think they hope to extend them eventually, but you know, the risk. There is pretty minimal barring injury and stayed relatively healthy. He's been productive. When on the field Sabar for a above our catcher is lower than ever right now, basically baseball. So I think there is no risk there. But the risk that they gave up significant and the chances though that farro and six oh senses fulfill their potential is is limited. I I understand that completely. I think I I'm a big way off argh. I think he's going to be really solid catcher in a major leagues for a long time. But his profile is out of high risk does not put the ball in play. He has shown defensive improvements still struggles and some basic areas six oh Sanchez, if he fills us attention. He's the top of the rotation. After you know, one of the maybe one of the better pitching prospects in baseball. But there are questions about his questions about his secondary stuff their questions about their ability. And whether he's even a starting pitcher, you know in a few years, so risky trade. I describe it. I mean, I just got it for lack of a better term. I it was ballsy and fall doesn't necessarily mean a negative thing. I mean, I think when you're in a position that Matt clinic was in it was time to cash in on things. And if you're gonna cash in your top pitching prospect at DC catcher, you wanna get the very best. And and I do think say graded JT realm. So so much better than any other catcher in baseball. That's why they viewed this as as a trade that that they had to Gabe Kappler's, always going to be a lightning rod, and he is obviously come up for a lot of criticism this off season because of his actions or inactions few years ago as the dodgers player development director. Do you have any sense of whether the Phillies are at all concerned about his actions there in his defense. Of those actions and even apart from that. How would you say he held up in his first year as manager after being kind of a controversial choice and initially rubbing Fens the wrong way or having some embarrassing en- game instances, but seemingly settling down as the season went on. I don't know if the podcast long enough about. About. First year. I mean, he the complicated. Figure is a complex figure is fascinating. And with regards to the first part of the question by understanding that affiliates. Have have no concerns. I mean, they they went through a pretty rigorous vetting process from what I understand through major league baseball through the dodgers before hiring Kappler, and these issues had come up, you know, they were not aware of sexual assault allegations. You know, there were documents that showed that that no one of the daughters was and still a week or two after the incident. It's it's it's complicated. You know, I think there's are certain credibility issues that are play. You know, Gabe has to, you know, there are people who are or her questioning Gabe, and he asked to restore his credibility. And I'm not sure how one goes about that. Because you know, there there there should be. There are questions about how you handle these incidents and house. I think that he, you know, he he will he will have credibility issues for as long as he Scillies manager. I mean, he is a polarizing guy and people have good reasons, you know, to wonder about you know, some of the things he does or did in the path. And that's just that's always going to be the case. I think Philly's, you know, they may have properly vetted him and everything. But you know, they knew they had to have known getting into your when they hired him. I mean, he is he's a lightning rod, and it will only increase this year because you know, the expectations of have raised here. I mean, if they get too slow start with this with this Rosser this improve roster. I mean, there will be a lot of angry people in Philadelphia. And the first person they're going to point to we'll be gave tapper. I mean, I can already predict and it's very simple thing. He he is on Ozzie, and that's crazy to say for manager who was going into his second urine and inherited a team that had won sixty six games and improve them to eighty games last year, but he will be on the hot seat because he is who he is. And I'll say this about his season last year, he show in the Bill to adapt. I mean, the beginning of the season. Couldn't have any worse for a manager. I mean, he he had already the honeymoon's over before he stepped foot on his home field in Philadelphia. I mean after that first three-game series win when people were just and rightfully so. I mean, he had heating dates them some horrible moves and then bought in the pitcher who hadn't even warmed up yet into the second game of the season. I mean, it was just unbelievable. He showed an ability to adapt though. And I think he's shown some ability to adapt even this spring too. I mean, there will be some culture changes. I think there will be a few more rules than there were last year round the clubhouse, and he is a smart guy that anyone who criticizes him or who likes them. I think can agree on. He is very smart guy. He has different ideas. But he he is willing to adapt. And and I think that's going to be tested very quickly in this point nineteen season. I mean, they they have to get off to good start. I mean, there will be there will be a lot of calls for his job if they don't and fair or not that's just that's just what they got into here. I think everybody knows that. I know it was. Fascinating a year ago in spring when we saw the Phillies and Gabe Kaplan, experimenting with like moving from left field right field, depending on who is at the platen before the season actually got there's a lot of excitement around what Keppler might be able to do in. How the Phillies would implement different strategies and at the same time in the same spring training. There was a lot of excitement around Scott Kingery. I remember seeing a prominent national baseball reporter referring to Scott King reassembly being the best young player in any spring training camp or something along those lines implying better than Ronald with kunia better than one Soto better than whoever you want to say, I'm not going to go into detail. There's a lot of numbers that could read. But instead just use one educative bad, Scott King. Res rookie season was bad. He signed a long term contract. And then he played he was moved to shortstop, and he was bad. There was not seemingly a whole lot of progress. At least typically so moving forward. Kyrie's entering his age twenty five season. Got a good track record. He was good player in the minors. Obviously all of that excitement. That was their last spring can't have. Been completely destroyed or deteriorated so moving forward, I understand of courses Manny Machado signs than Kingery has to kind of move around. And maybe a path to playing time, isn't so obvious. But how is Scott Kingery stock looking now relative to one year ago, not as good? I mean, you're right. I mean, it was bad. I mean, he was just underwater from the very start at season any never never got above water. I mean, he really, you know, he he pointed out a couple of days ago, if he was looking at, you know, it's amazing. How many how often he was behind the counter? I mean, oh one too. I think he had the highest percent of otas town of any hitter qualify her here with at least porn plate appearances. He was constantly behind the count and pitchers began to him because they knew that he was taking the first pitch a lot. And he started to get his own head. Where's the stock right now? I think it's still using. It's not as good as it was last year and those comments about him. What do you like one of the best young players? And I mean, he was. We were Brian. He's been unbelievable for the last two spring. I mean, you really caught a lotta is two things ago when you know, when he was in his first big-league camp and you'll I think is pacifying sign than if they don't sign someone like Manny Machado will be supply all over the field. I still think they can find ways to get him in the lineup. Maybe four times a week. And if he does produce more than that for we. But look, you know, there were a lot of criticism last year when he signed that contract or other agents saying how how could he signed? He'll I think right now, you know, I think they still project him as being everyday regular at some point it probably needs to be a second base. At some point say are Hernandez second basement and had sort of up and down year, but has a decent trackers last year. So Hernandez is the guy there for now Kingery is going to be on the team. So he's gonna have to play a lot of position and he's walked up a little bit. But you know, he just has to have a better, I think mental coach at the plate. He he was just behind every pound and for. A young hitter. Rennie hitter that's impossible for young hitter. Tell and he really did go through that last year. In addition to all the player transactions. We've mentioned the Phillies have been very active this off season in hiring staff. Hiring coaches, they picked up unconventional hitting coaches and people from the Astros and sports science people. Can you shed any light on how they've tried to reinvent their player development and their coaching staff and sort of their information transfer process. This winter clock ran into rob second and Ed Lucas who to foreign players second who was playing last year in the minor leagues. And the dodgers system. They are now hired on the Phillies staff. They're minor league player information coordinators to kind of a clunky title, but their data coaches in the minors. I mean that that they started to do some out last year. Sample was the guy in the majors with sort of data coach, and they had another employee named Ben Worthington. The Orioles he was the Myrlie data koshen how they've added more data coaches and. They've tried to take a progressive approach. I think to player development, and they're not the only team that's done that this off season. They're most interesting higher. No doubt was a guy named Jason char- who came from Dr line. And he is the minor league hitting coordinator, he wrong. He is now in charge of the minor league hitting program. They are totally revamping that, and it will, you know, come with very database approach. I mean are, you know, built the hitting program at Dr line from the ground up. There were a lot of people who are interested in hiring him and major league baseball. There are a lot of people are trying to copy what did in Dr line and fired him. And it's gonna be really interesting to watch how they approach their hitting program. Because no their position player development hasn't been seller. I think they're pitching program as far ahead of their hitting program in the minor league side Raphael. Shabas has headed up that pitching program the last years, and he's done some really good work. With specially with some underside small bonus guys in the low minors. So they. They're taking a very data driven approach to everything that's obvious on the major league side with what Kappler has implemented even decision. They made pitching coach Rick Kranitz had been here for a few years. He was a respected guys very old school baseball guy and the Phillies let them go only. Because other teams wanted to hire the system pitching coach, Chris young, you know, who who was an advance scout for the Astros during their championship years years before that the system pitching coach last year and use very data driven guy. And then and they like what Christiane does and other teams liked it too. So they liked it enough to promote him to pitching coach and fire. Rick Kranitz who had done a good job here. The pitching was there last year? So it's very unusual to see, you know, change in pitching coach after the kind of year, they have pitching wise, but you know, they're they're all in on on on database development on on on database decisions at the major league level. They probably made more hires than last two three years, and they did and the previous decade. Fine. I mean, it's been that. It's been that swift of a change one of the young pitchers did emerge that pitcher development system last year came up made in immediate splash. Of course, was Sarangani Dominguez just reflecting on his numbers here when he came up in may case anyone's forgotten and may through thirteen two-thirds innings. He allowed zero runs he had zero walks and struck out fifteen batters also allowed just two hits. He was very good. And so during the first half of the seasons for the Dominguez was fantastic and immediate splash moved to the closer role. And then he kinda struggled a little bit down the stretch lost his, I guess, you could say release point as walks skyrocketed. And I was wondering is easy to look at the numbers and say, okay, well, moving forward, the real Saranda Dominguez is going to be somewhere in the middle of his first and second half, and that's cetera et cetera. But when you look at to make as you saw him up close and personal a lot of his pitching last year. What do you see moving forward? And it's real easy to look Anthony making say, well, here's a candidate to be the next Ed India's. But what what caused his his second half to be so much worse than. Than his first. And do you think that he has or is in the process of making the changes that are necessary for him to get back to pitching it as best? You know, Jeff, I think it boiled down to this. This was last year was his first full year as early ver-, you know, he had never pitched above high A coming into the twenty eighteen season. He had been in the high Clearwater rotation Florida state league in twenty seventeen. That's where you ended. They add to Adam to the forty man roster because he was rule five guy always had an electric arm. They made him a reliever last spring, and he was so good at couple a and then they had to bring them up. And I just think the workload caught up to he just was not used to the kind of back to back work that kind of two games and three days were through a full season. And it showed I mean in August and September he was really he was feeling it. I mean, I think he just he learned a lot about his body. I think he learned a lot about what it's like to be a reliever in the majors where it's like to be a reliever period, which something he hadn't done before that. And it is hard. I mean, it's. This is the different kind of mentality at different kind of training program. He was when the natural cut that comes on his fastball is a God given gift. I mean, there's just no other way to say it and as long as he can soar that pitch. He's got a great shot. He has an incredible arsenal. And I think, you know, with a little more knowledge about his role in the one more understanding about how a full major league seasonable. Penn is you know, you could see that guy that you saw when I came up you mentioned that. So he soap that the rotation will improve just because the defense will improve. And we know how good Nola is. We know who area is. Although we just recently learned that he was dealing with a knee issue SE's in head surgery to correct it. So perhaps there some improvement there. But you look at the lesser known players in that rotation Nick PETA, Vince, Alaska's eflin all those guys head giant gaps between their era and they're Phipps last year, which you can certainly a tribute to the defense at least in part. So which of those guys. If there's one who stands out seems poised to make the largest improvement or two maybe have more of an improvement in his superficial stats that makes people appreciate how good he already was. Donna, everyone talked everyone. Everyone has written Nick Bennett breakout season type story this off season. And because it's you know, it's impossible not to to to look at the numbers. And think that I mean he he showed a lot of growth last year during the season. I think you know, the numbers reflect that I mean, this guy they believe this guy is a really solid mid rotation starter, maybe even more than that. I I don't know if he's more than that. But if he's really solid number three them, then they'll take that out of the valuable piece and twenty nineteen major league baseball. I. The he's the guy. Yeah. I think he's the guy who is really, you know, his are may catch up to sort of the feeling independent numbers that we saw last year and strikes. A lot of guys out limits. Hard hit ball he pitched away from slugging last year. He didn't give up a lot of home runs. At least in the first half of the year. He is your your poster boy candidate for breakout season. You know, those three guys they need to them to hit, you know, they need to of the three guys out of that athletic, Alaska. It's really hip to be solid. Dependable guys every fifth day for this to work. And and you know, it's why I think you know, they've been tied to every starting pitcher trade market and the free agent market. They went after Patrick Corwin. They were outbid for him and six year deal. They will keep looking for stars. But I there stood fastener belief that that at least two and they think three guys will be reliable starters in the major league rotation. And I think they wanna see how those guys do with the improve defense before they make any other changes. And that's why I. Effect. A let it go into July before they make a move. If they do make a move in the rotation. All right. So we always end the segments by Eskin for a win. Total prediction now in the Phillies case, it's complicated. Because these are probably not the Phillies that we're gonna see on opening day or soon after it. So give us a current prediction for for the rest or as it stands now. And then give us also maybe a with Harper or Machado prediction. I don't know if the with Harper is the same as the with Machado, but you can get as granular as you like. Let's keep it simple. I'll say current Scillies drafter. I'll go with eighty six wins and Phillies roster with either Harper Machado. I'll say eighty eight wins. All right. So you don't think it's that huge of a difference or an upgrade if they get one of those guys, I do, and I don't I I guess I think I think the division is is going to be really good. I think that's part of probably playing into what I'm thinking. Here is that, you know, eighty eight you know, my win the division. I mean because I think these teams I really going to beat up on each other. It's it's gonna be fun. I think the enemies is gonna be really fun to. All right. Well, you can follow men's coverage of the Phillies as the lead Phillies, redder for the ethic all season long. You can also find him on Twitter at his name met Gelb. Thank you met. You can stop roaming around the backfield's now Bank, you guys. All right. That will do it for today and for this week. Thanks, everyone for listening. You can't support the podcast unpatriotic that going to patriot dot com slash effective. Wild following five listeners have already signed up to put some of the amount and keep the podcast going, rob silver Maxwell McKenna. Darren Jones, Andrew Simon and will Benham Baker. Thanks to all of you. You can also join our Facebook group at Facebook dot com slash groups. I Schiff actively wild by the way, some additional short term incentive to join that Facebook group Klay drizzle. 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Starting 9 Episode #105 - Hunter Pence
"Welcome back to starting nine episode one. Five vodka lot of interesting topics to discuss today, because, you know, we obviously is this a baseball podcast. We talk about baseball, by the way hundred Pence is on the pod today. What a maniac that guy, you know, I feel like it's a cliche to say, oh, he's an easy guy to root for. I've said that I feel like I said that mostly about Sean Mnaya, easy guy to root for Nolan our Nado I've said that about but hundred Pence easy guy to root for g Bradley, there's, there's a few guys in my in my little easy. Gotta root for tree, Luke Voight and other one but one hundred Pence is one of those guys and I haven't listened to the interview yet this was a Dallas j production, but. I mean out of the value deals from this past off season. He's gotta be somewhere at the top in terms of what they were signed for how they were signed when they were signed and what they're doing for their teams this year hundred Pence has to be I mean who would be above him. In terms of signed a minor league deal people were talking about a potential retirement, like is this guy? Washed or not. And now we're trying to get into the all star game. And that's the cool thing about it is we actually kinda got into that, just a little bit not extensively. I didn't really want to get into a ton of baseball shit with him because he is such a cool dude, such an eclectic dude away from the field. I wanted to kind of give fans a little more of that side. Yeah. Has opposed to where he's at this stage in his career, blah, blah, blah. Why? Because he's going to get hit with a ton of shit like that because he should make the fuck and all star team. And Woody makes the all star team, there's a good chance he's going to be ask those questions at will is just gonna be fucking peppered with those questions. So. He actually talked a little bit about going to Mexico or excuse me going to the Dominican Republic, revamping his entire swing spirits of winner ball shit like that. So it was a great interview. It was a great insight to the brain power. The steam engine that makes hundred pins, go we reflected on some World Series moments as well, his time with the giants, what it means to be back in the great state. Great state that great People's Republic of Texas playing bass. Yeah. So he he's such a he's such a weird, dude. Such a cool dude. But I think honestly after listening to the interview you'll take away that hundred pins is a very thoughtful in a, a calculated individual as well. All Beit a super fucking weirdo slash nerd that sounds like you bit. Bit. That's why we had a good time like honestly, we've spearing some major technical difficulties that had hunter pins, the fucking three-time all-star two time World Series champion, sitting on hold with our tech guy Manley for like twenty minutes because they couldn't figure out the fucking phone. So this had the opportunity to be a media one, but I had I had to let the guy go had you ever faced before he, he got lucky? He never had to face me. Got to look at those things, so that interview coming later in the show, but we've got to start with the Mets and I called it I called it three weeks ago when I was at the gym, and that's sexy. The, the there was one part of me that said to this individual be careful what you wish for, because this individual comes up to me shows me his phone. He's listening to starting nine at the gym, and he says to me, you need to talk about the Mets more. And I said, listen, sir. I don't know if you want that I don't know if you want that because look where you are in the in the division standings. Because right now at the time rather I feel like it's a little more bleak now. But at the time they were hovering around five hundred there were probably what seven and a half games back so not completely out of it. But obviously not a, a World Series, contender by any means. So I said to him, if we're talking about the Mets given the state of the current team that means that only bad things are happening. So the I forget what happened between that exchange and the next time that we talked about the Mets, this'll be the second time that we talked about the Mets. What was oh, it was the Noah Syndergaard injury guard hamming. Yeah. Syndergaard Hammy injury. So like if we're talking about the Mets, it's probably gonna be something bad. Now here we are another week later another week removed. And this is going to be by far the most met story that we're going to hear in twenty nineteen. I feel like there's always one every single year. But now we have a met story for all met stories like this is going to go down, and Mets lore, like wrong with this. There's nothing wrong. But, like a couple of guys getting fed up, you know. Yeah. Now that we can put out the merch like we have the keys to the kingdom for merch. We need to put out a C tomorrow. Mickey shirt. I would love for that to happen. We don't necessarily have the keys to the merchant, jer if we do if trust me for, if we did those shirts that I showed you last week, they'd probably be out, they'd probably be up. You know what I mean? That's kind of how I think about things. Yeah. So I want I am. Well, I'm eagerly awaiting for that bow to be placed on the relationship between us, and the, the merchant folks that is a great idea. I, I love the idea. You know what fight club, we need big-league fight club, and we need beat writer fight club. And I think when this kinda shit happens there needs to be like the media has to wait like fifteen minutes after the game for everybody to get in get settled, whatever. And then they can kind of come in and punch in the face without terrible. You were that night and you have to answer no problem all part of the game. We get it. And I'll say this much for the beat writers. I'm not defending them. I need people to understand what kind of shit storm. Those folks signed up for could you imagine following a big league team? And I don't know. Let's call a team. The mets. They've got endure what they endure throughout a baseball season. Do you think those players are happy dealing with what's going on in their clubhouse and on the field? No, the answer's no at times that shit. Just gets to be a little too much. And it boils over for a beat writer, you or planted squarely in the middle of the field, which is where they're going to go out there and either have successor fail. And then in the clubhouse where they either celebrate those successes or wear those failures and ultimately take some of those failures and the aggressions and disappointments that come with it out on you the lowly beat writer so the relationship between clubhouse and writer and media in general, is already one that's kind of fucked up to begin with. So it's almost like players and managers, they're just throwing crumbs to these fucking people as they're walking down the street and every now and then every now and then you'll actually get them to stop. And maybe will. Get a little something. And this was just a matter of a couple individuals. I think not really wanting to answer to what had happened out on the field. You've got you've got a microscope that you're playing under now for multiple reasons. And this is this is when shit hits the fan. I mean in all honesty, though this should happens more frequently than I think people understand this. That's what I was going to ask you, which, I don't know if, if you're the best test subject for this, 'cause it's like no one pays attention to as, as gonna ask you, if you've ever gotten close to physically attacking a reporter because I feel like if anyone were to snap on someone it would be someone in the confines of the Coliseum when they're going in there, and they're like, this is this is barely. This is like a high school locker room type deal that we've got going on. I'll kill anyone that asked me a question that I don't like. But I feel like like you said, I feel like this is not. I think it's more so. Oh now because social media where stuff like this happens. I think guys are more cognizant to not react that way because they know that there's no such thing as keeping in the clubhouse, like keeping it in the clubhouse is only a concept of just the players are in there, even that to, to an extent, has has gone by the wayside, and that right there that right there is, is how these relationships form and get to the state that they get to, to your point baseball players understand that this is our clubhouse the rules of the game that dictate our business. Relationship say you have a right to be in here from this time to this time while you're in here you see the same shit that I see you hear the same shit that I hear. And if you're looking for a story, really the responsibilities on you who do you wanna be to this club, what type of beat writer, do you want to be to this club, or you going to be a writer that these folks can open up to? They feel like you are. Unbiased they feel like you're doing the diligence and doing the homework and actually putting forth, the effort if so you're probably gonna get a lot of respect. There's a, there's a lady out in the bay area named Susan slugger who just one she's who just want co nor Cal writer sportswriter of the year, and she's been dominating the scene for a hot minute. There's some folks who have opinions about or some folks, that don't like her. Some folks that I think I'm in this camp fully understand appreciate what she has to do what she's had to do not only as a female in this business world, but in the sporting world as well, I have a lot of respect for what she's been able to do and how she's been able to carve out her in the clubhouse in the writers world and in the sports world, the baseball world in general, so it can be done. It can be done successfully, it just about. I think how you as a writer are wanting to be endeared and portrayed. And you're saying well that shouldn't be a decision to make them here to cover the sport. We'll guess what? That is a fucking decision. You have to make whether you like it or not. Because that's the same kind of decision these players have to make whether or not they want to be a role model during that fifty minute window. Your ass is allowed in there with a camera microphone because you might just catch them doing or saying something unsavory that wouldn't be allowed at a children's book reading that they might be going to this weekend. So do you want to be the Astle that turns the guy reading the little engine that could into a fucking dick, or do you want to be somebody that just gets the nuts and bolts of it gives the fans, what they're looking for shows the players that they're going to do their work, and can actually coexist? Who do you wanna be now? I it's, it's a fascinating almost like a social experiment. Inter for human interaction like we're talking about two different worlds colliding and this happens every day like the media and the players have to find a way to coexist. Because I, I mean Dallas you've done it on both sides. I don't know. Have you ever have you ever been in a clubhouse as a media member, asking questions? I know that you've interviewed baseball players. But you've never have you ever gone into a club? I was. How to ask questions and a media, scrum? Now that, that might gig a bag chief, I fucking hate that, so basically how I got media pass all the media gang is what it's called. Yeah. Like how I got passes was the Red Sox wouldn't credential bloggers, which is what I am. I guess classified as they wouldn't do it. I've asked for years, tried for maybe eight years, and then Dallas was able to get us starting nine passes out. No clind for the, the series that Mnaya through the no hitter. And then I just came back and asked the Red Sox, you know, hey, you guys better than the as like why are they give me passes? But you guys don't and then, like, well, do you like what is it that you're looking for like, do you want? Like, do you want to be in the clubhouse? Like what, what are you trying to do? And I was like, no, I just wanna be accountable, if I say something about a guy I wanna be available to them like if they have an issue with it here. I am. I don't wanna hide from that. I don't wanna be the guy on his couch, who just says, whatever he wants never have. To be accountable for it. So I just want, you know, feel passes for batting practice never going to go in the media room. I don't care to ask questions, if I want to ask or something text them, clubhouse questions, you're never gonna get anything. Good there. I want podcast interviews. So, for to give you, I guess some perspective on how uncomfortable it is to be that guy in the clubhouse, twenty twelve was the only time I've ever been in a baseball clubhouse as a quote unquote baseball. Writer journalist, whatever was writing for magazine back then. And it felt like and I've described it this way a bunch of times it felt like being out awake. Everyone everyone was walking around kind of quiet awkwardly. It was almost like, you know, no one wanted to their different cliques of people hanging out in different circles. And this isn't every major league clubhouse, you have to remember two thousand. Twelve that Red Sox team was an unmitigated disaster, and they were miserable. It was August. So they already knew that it was over. So this isn't the same for all club houses. But just to give you an idea of what the Mets clubhouse is probably like, because they are an unmitigated disaster. And they know that it's over some sure that the temperature in the room with somewhat similar the players walked around media like they were furniture like that. They were not human beings. You're in the way now, like just we've just gone out and competed, and it's such an awkward experience. I don't I don't ever want to be in the club, not just because I don't care to ask questions that I know I'm gonna get cliche answers to. But, like I feel like that's your space as the players like that's your space. If I were player, I'm not. I don't want a guy like asking me questions at my locker. When I'm trying to like dry off my balls. That's the thing that's the thing is, is there is an understanding, so you will you would learn to navigate those waters by watching your peers and you would really you. That's how you. Do it is you would understand you know what? I don't see anybody else walking up to that dude right now. I'm not going to be the first guy to walk up to that dude right now that gonna happen. I'm gonna give and players. We know that you have a job to do. We understand that. That's why we will walk right by you like you don't exist is because we know you're there to do a job. So what do you want me to do? You want me to stop and talk to you, and engage with you about my pre game routine out of nowhere. You gotta fuck and question asked me if not keep it moving to stand over their and collect dust like every other bucket writer while I get my work in. And that's how you coax look, I'm not here to be your friend man, like, there's nice guy awards and their shit like that about people who are receptive to the media. And I've always said, I challenge you to find a member of the media that I was ever rude to that. I ever was dismissive of you'll never find him. It'll never fuck it happen. Because I understood, I respected the coexistence. So there's, there's just lessons. To be learned on both sides, a young media member learns how to handle a wily veteran in the clubhouse, a wily veteran, and the clubhouse is showing these younger guys, hopefully how to respect the work that needs to get done because these are the message these are the messengers, right. For how good you are. You wanna be lauded for it. These are the ones who are responsible when you fuck up when you're going to be held accountable, these are the ones who have been put in place to do that as well. So again, let them lick your ice cream cone, but also understand when they have to throw it away. It is a very uncomfortable coexistence. It's coexistence because it's for decades, but it was very uncomfortable. And like you said, you're, it's all going down with me either half fully or partially fucking naked. Yeah. Well, let's not let's not overlook the actual question that kind of precipitated this issue because it's a very fair question. And it's one that the Mets have struggled and Mickey Callaway has struggled to properly address all season, the use of Edward. Yes usage of Edwin d as and the bottom of the eighth. The Mets were up three to two with the heart slash top of the cubs. Order coming up, it was shorter Bryant Rizzo and bias. Okay. And he had the option of either doing what everyone generally now accepts to be the best way to maximize victory which is to put your best pitcher against their best pitcher could have thrown windy as that inning. Instead stuck with Seth Lugo, who is not nearly as good as windy as when he could've used Lugo or gazelle men, or sorry, not Lugo, could've used gazelle men in the ninth inning after got through the heart of the order what happened it ended up being five to three they gave up three runs because higher by hit a home run. It's the fact that Mickey Callaway can't a properly execute that and be properly respond to a very fair question about his, his, his refusal to use Edwin, is that where after they invested a decent chunk of their off-season, and acquiring him is laughable in its and the idea that you're going to have a beat writer removed from the clubhouse asking a question. Like what the fuck is that censorship is that who you are right now. The fuck right outta town guy. Say care, the Xs and os before we start censoring, the media or thinking that you're even close to being in a position of thority to do, so you need to need to walk that back, man need to walk that back, you know that each of them were find. Right. You know how much how much to stacks ten ten K ten K? Now is not a ton Jin each did you guys see the other part of this story? Which part of that, being that Micky Calloway's trying to get fired. What? No. The report the New York Post and BUSTER only have the front office has dictated at least some pitching moves during games this season. Multiple organizational sources confirmed ESPN. So that's a retorting the wilpon cz. Are we talking van wagon and I mean I can see that which is see that coming who didn't see a player age in taking over who, who didn't see that. Not me. I mean I feel like that was that was just I feel bad for Mickey Callaway, I think he signed up for something. Obviously, when you take over the Mets, regardless of the market, just just something is different about the Mets, it doesn't matter that it's New York. It's just there's something about that organization where funky shit happens. So when you sign up to be the manager of the Mets, you, already know, day one, I got myself in some shit, and then now you're in an organization that hires like Jess Mendoza as it advisor fucking agent as, as their general manager is blessed them their pitching. Coach is fucking ninety eight years old, this all happened in the last six or eight months is it was the age at your hiring just take stock of that entire situation a front office that has been in shambles hires their best pitchers agent. Why we. We all know why. Hey, you could do whatever you want here, as long as you can get degrom to stay here. Fair enough. Just Kim to fucking stay here giving stare, you could be the guy sound good. All right. Fair enough Gobi the guy now you know what? We'll even let you we'll even let you mix at changes during the game. You want to draw the lineup. Fuck who knows send out a tweet lets you sit and cleanup tonight. But it fairness, I don't think that's just a Mets thing. I think a lot of organizations now have their baseball perations departments. Churning out lineup cards for their managers, I don't think that many, how many of them represented there ace the year before that's completely different dynamic. But I'm just saying in the sense that there are not a ton of managers that are making up their own lineup cards. That's the whole point of a baseball rations department is like they're putting in their numbers and they're coming out with whatever line of it. That would be seat. Aaron Boone one and Aaron judge leading off when he came back. That is what the baseball operations job. Is it is not to write those lineups out? It is to provide the front offices and the managers with all of the data necessary all of the impactful data necessary and from there allow the manager and the staff to make an informed uneducated decision. That is the very definition of what a baseball operations unit should be doing now on the other side of that, you are right. That isn't the case. There are puppeteers out there differently puppet managers out there, but I just don't want people thinking, like, oh, baseball operations, you work for a baseball ops department. You're part of writing the lineup that is not the case. There are part of gathering, all of the important information that helps make an educated decision in regards to the lineup but that's not their fucking job. But that responsibility does get placed on these. Guys, and it is a part of what they're doing far more than it ever should be at this point in my opinion, because they're still a baseball feel that has to take place. You just have to know. And if you're just pounding a calculator, you're not in the know it is a fascinating process, like, I, I can't, I mean, it's not that I can't, but I just for the sake of the conversation, I will omit the organization, I've talked to guys in baseball ops. And it's very secretive. Like what they're doing and what they're up to and what they're paying attention to outside of just numbers. They don't they're not just looking at these, like databases, they're looking at all kinds of shit and they're a very curious bunch. It's it's a lot. It's, it's like a fuck and secret service, all I'm gonna let you. So I'm gonna I'm gonna play back for you a little scenario that occurred the other day. I'm talking to one of these baseball ops folks on the field in Oakland. We're watching bullpen. Pins were watching things were having a discussion. And we're starting to talk about spin rate and we're starting to talk about pitch presentation and, and tunneling and like what the end result and stuff. And I said, you know, you're asking for all these numbers, and, and we're getting all these numbers, as far as what the baseball looks like what the baseball's doing, and we're just sort of taking that as our answer and not really, diving into it much after that. And I said to him note, I wanna know I wanna know what type of swing throughs, we're getting as a staff. I don't wanna just accept the fact that the ball is been swimming missed on. I need to know what the attack angle for the opposition is. And I need to know what that is based on what that is per pitch. I'm getting my swing and miss on. So if I'm getting a swing and miss on my fastball elevated in the zone or what I appear to be elevated that doesn't necessarily mean that that hit. Her is swinging underneath my fastball. If he's over top of my fastball forever. I wanna know that typically they're going to be underneath late. But the same thing with Koerbel did he actually try to attack me? And come in underneath me was he shallow or is he actually swing over the top of this, those and the fucking eyeballs on this kid, Jared lit up and was like? Oh my God. Oh, like I just created a whole nother avenue of information for this to try to find it was like scurrying fucking pushes lashes backup onto his nose and all the pens and get them in the pocket, protector and gather all his tech up and run right. Up into his fucking lab, and spend the next three days figuring out shit like that. So they are apps, and it's because this is all proprietary, man, if I'm figuring something out, and I'm applying it, and I'm getting results you think I want twenty nine other teams to have an idea of what I'm doing right now? -absolutely fucking not. And if I'm in that baseball ops department. This is my opportunity to put my name on something. Whether it's an algorithm, or it's a certain. Certain filter of data that I that I've been able to collect and produce that's allowing these players to, to apply and perform, like I want my name to be catched to that. So even if you and I are working in the same baseball ops department. I'm making sure you're not looking at my fucking paper, tell these fools role, which is I love it, though. I really I think it's fascinating. And I mean, there's probably never going to be a camera crew that goes into one teams organization in talks baseball ops people. But what they do because that's a competitive advantage that they're just giving away. So you really do have to talk these people off the record and you'll never know that you come across them. They don't identify themselves to you. They're not in the public image, but it is fast. But to circle back to Mickey Callaway. Real quick. The Mets are not gonna fire him mid-season Micky Calloway's job, especially after this particular incident in my opinion is one hundred percent safe. You had media members calling for his head saying this should be the final straw, the team stinks and now this and they find him. Sure. Yeah. He's gonna pay a nice old tab, but he will not be fired midseason, and I believe that because you look at Jeff wilpon track record in terms of whether or not the decision was justified that's a matter of opinion, but the things that he does decisions that he makes that are then heavily criticized or crucified in the media, he will then stay away from that. And he got ripped to shreds for firing Willie Randolph midseason. He's not going to now go back and fire. Mickey Callaway midseason because a it's admitting fault and be he just he he's trying to learn from his past decisions where it's like, hey, I got fucking dragged for firing a manager midseason. We're not doing that again. So I think he, he might not be safe moving forward. But I don't think that we're going to see a Mickey Callaway firing during the season. No matter how bad it gets. But it's just 'til for me to put optics on the radar of this front office at this point it really is. Yeah. Because it's like, who even talking about, you know, and you need to tell me, you, you give a fuck about how that looks like never pulling on a glass and on the field. But that's what you give about. And if so that's just that is par for this. Course by the way, the phrase is there. Anything more Mets is probably played out. But is there anything more Mets finally having like a star level roof? Who may hit fifty home runs having that season. Be Furling services overshadowed by utter utter. Avoidable bullshit by the shots pita Lonzo he has already is tied or broken broken the Mets single record for home runs by a rookie twenty six by Darrell strawberry pita Lonzo had that. Yeah. June twenty third or whatever. Yeah. That's the thing is that he I mean these single season. Mets home run record is within reach for Pete Alonzo, and he'll probably get there, which is greatest position player in franchise history is probably only a year or two away for Pete. So we crop. It's a week route that was the job. But I'm on. By the way, Jay has turned his hat front words. But when it was backwards, he definitely looked like silent Bob. That's not a compliment. Play a little pepper here. Dow Dallas are you ready uranium playing a little pepper here in Dallas? 'cause we got some things to discuss. Toefl for Jordan Hicks. Didn't see that coming. Yeah. This, this news. I actually I have a heart. I do I have a heart. When I saw this news, I genuinely felt elated. Yeah. Key montage has received an eighty game suspension, one of my favorite things to do because this is become routine as a baseball fan slash on bias national baseball journalists when an eighty game suspension gets handed down. First thing I do is I researched what they tested positive for because I think casual baseball fans or even just the general public that doesn't really care about baseball, but they're fascinated by the controversies that happened within the game. You see an eighty game PD suspension like up steroids steroids. Not everything is steroids. And this was not a steroid, the substance that he tested positive for, but it was a banned substance that has a steroid like affect. So same idea, but not a steroid, and I think that, that does matter. I mean obviously. Trying to be sneaky with all I didn't take a steroid. I took something else. There is a difference. And I think there. I think the other thing that we don't find out right away. This kind of comes out way later is the amount of the substance that was detected. And that might have been from masking agent. We don't know or could have just been something that ended up in, in a in a whatever of substance that they took that was legal. There's a little something in their boom. You're gone. I think when Stephen right got tested positive. They said what they found was the equivalent of like three grains of salt in an Olympic size swimming pool. So there are different measures to it. But Montas catches the ADA game suspension. The first thing I look for is what's the substance second thing. I look for is, is he going to outright say, I did this or is he going to go with the I don't know how it got my body has? That's my favorite. I just tripped and fell into a pile of steroids. Don't know how they're very strange is that McDonald's had some chicken nuggets, boom steroids. To my knowledge he did go with the I don't know how it got my system. Yes. Okay love that. Dallas, your reaction to the I don't know how the substance, God my body because this is for for, you know, anyone that's curious about this stuff. This can be purchase over the counter. This was not like, hey, some shady shit went down to the Dominican talk to my cousin and he hooked me up with something that's in syringe. I mean you could go to you could buy on Amazon right now. It's not that hard to track down, right? If we're going to address this the way that I would like to address this than we can't just get detailed really. Because for me that falls into my explanation. The reason that we're even talking about metabolites the reason that we're even talking about three reigns assault into an Olympic sized pool for Stephen right? That is all engineered that is in place for a reason so that when this happens were not asking the question that needs to be asked, and we're not accepting the only feasible answer as a way to solve this. And we just continue to not move the goalpost back, but move it around it moves laterally, and that's, that's just that's a moving target. And again, that's engineered in place for a reason the idea of using steroids or a PD as been around since the beginning of. Time the whole if you eat genius try and approach. So it's about a business decision, and I've said this, so many times, it's about a business decision. And if it's a PD usage, will get into that for Frankie, Montas. Whether it's a fertility pill, whether it's a hydration pill. Whether it's anything other than what you're taking from the clubhouse itself that's already in there, you know that there is a risk and responsibility factor involved. And you get that beaten into your head the minute you become a professional and start to receive a paycheck, so from that point in time on it is your responsibility. And there's really no other person that you can tab to be responsible or accountable for that because it's on you. It's your body. It's your career. It's on you. So what we have in place is a phone number. That's available for you to save in your phone. You walk into the store. You've got a question about a product or the contents of a product, you whip out your phone you, call these people. If they can't give you the answer there, make your purchase take a sample out. Out since it off. They'll tested for free sit it back to and let you know, you're good, or you're not good. We have the ability to do that. That's in place. So if you want to go to the store and buy it, and come home, and take it and not wait. Well, that's a risk your running against who's going to be responsible for that. You are. So with that being said, regardless of, whether it was a P E D or not. We have things in place to make sure that you taking a really aggressive Advil, isn't gonna fuck you up. So that's your responsibility as a player. Now, let's go to the idea of it being a PD. Let's say he was actually looking for an advantage here. What you need to understand about this folks. Is this is simply a business decision at this point based on the punishment that has been levied based on the punishment? That is in place for major league baseball. This is simply a business decision for folks, and nothing more. Let me. Plane that to you, breaking Montas entering the season had to make the roster out of options needing a third pitch to compete and stay in the big leagues. He's faced with a very different spring training than a guy that says, I dunno has eight years in the big leagues. Just signed a one year flyer deal. But he's guaranteed a spot, right? Those are two very different places. In a big league career yet could be after the very same thing. And listen. Frankie montage, again, has to make the roster out of options. So he's got decisions to make do I run the risk. What's the return on investment here? Right. I need to be in the big leagues. I need to make money for my family for that guy who's eight years in. He's thinking I need to get to that ten year, Mark. I want my full pension. I've already got my money so I'm after a World Series, and I'm after my ten years, though. Those guys are in very different boats. But it's about a business is at the end of the day for Frankie. Mom toss there's things that players evaluate. There's three things not just for Frankie for anybody evaluating whether or not they're going to do this, you evaluate whether or not you are somebody who can handle the blowback the criticism from the public the scrutiny can you handle free Astles on a podcast telling the world that you should have gone about it differently? If the answer to that is, yes, you've already cleared one hurdle. The second hurdle is can your family. Can you face them or you okay? Do they understand what decision you're about to make going down this road? I'm going to use something illegal. Here's why maybe it's to get me back to a place that I was before an injury. Maybe it's because I just need this boost. Whatever does your family understand. And are they? Okay if the answer to that question is, yes, you've cleared that hurdle and there's one more hurdle left. Are you a player? It was good enough that after you get that pop after you get banged, or you're going to be given the opportunity on the other side to show that it wasn't steroids or wasn't PD's that got this performance out to you? And if the answer to that is, yes, if you think you're good enough, if you think you've got the tools that other teams are going to come calling all you've done is evaluate a business decision the pros and cons or return on investment, and you're saying yet, on all fucking in have you seen the amount of money, we make big league ballplayers, you're telling me three Astles on a podcast and maybe a bad article is all I'm really going to have to deal with if I'm going to be given the opportunity to play baseball again. Fuck, yeah. Here's your pen and paper, a load the fucking Aitken your printer for your mother fucker. I'm getting paid because at the end of this, I'm going to country club that you're not I'm going on a vacation that you're not my family, and they're great kids are taken care of, and yours aren't but you've got your opinions off. You got the. Click on your article didn't you good for you. I got my money did night. Good for me. So what are we complaining about here and it's all because the rules are what they are. You can keep coming back until you do it enough. We'll just tell you to fuck off. Well, now let's talk about that guy who's got eight years in the game who's been faced with that decision. Right. He's not a Frankie Montas doesn't have to make the roster. He's out of options and he's probably made his money if he's talking about an eight year. Bigly career. Good chance. He'll be all right. So he's after two things are ring and the pension. So say he gets popped well, you know what you do you eliminate his ability whatsoever to make any more money other than the league minimum and then you allow folks you allow teams to have a bidding war. So let's say somebody wants to page your corrobos twenty million dollars after being popped for steroids. Outstanding you know what happens you're going to send that nineteen million. Ninety five or nine hundred fifty thousand five hundred thousand dollars two great now to to the rest of the team and to the rest of the league, and that's going to be distributed evenly, kind of, like when you go and try to sign an international guy right posting fee that you have to pay. So, so if the Red Sox because that's your team wants to pay. Jared, the PD offender twenty million dollars will outstanding but they actually don't have to pay him league minimum and the other nineteen and a half that they were willing to commit gets put into a pool that goes back into the leaf there's ways around this. The problem is we just don't wanna do it. It's natural selection. Kind of like we're doing with minor league pay. No, no, no. We're not gonna we're not gonna upped the ante we're gonna we're going to allow you to eat yourselves and cannibalize yourselves and the ones who make it to the top the strong sperm. They get the and that's kind of what this is keep fucking up. Don't go ahead. I it'd be easier way for us to weed, you out of here because if we install this lifetime ban this, you know then than now. We're just Astle. So, we'll let you we'd yourselves out because nobody wants that Pete Rose label. Right. Nobody wants to have that, that black flag flying over there. Tassell. He's just never allowed in the hall. Could you imagine living that kind of suspension to Frankie montage right now? That'd be terrible. Right. Because freaky, Mantell punishment, folks. Whether you believe it or not is greater than you'll ever be able to put on him when he has to steer his little boy, in the face and explain to him, what's going on. He has the stairs, family in the face and explain to them, what's going on. But again, if you've already had those conversations if you already made those decisions this is just a formality. This is just a businesses you right? While said, while said, Dallas, by the pay the big bucks. Blake China is going on the injured list with some shoulder issues. What do you got on Blake trying and also hasn't even really been the best reliever in as bullpen this year? So. Obviously, you don't wanna lose Blake Trenton, but you have a guy who can slot right in there. And in your Gucci at times, blade trainings willingness and desire to be a fucking Clydesdale can get in his way. He wants the ball and he'll take the ball three days in a row. And give you six outs three days in a row, if you let him, and I think, Blake has put a ton of expectation on himself after a record setting historical campaign understandably. So because as athletes, you want to challenge yourself. I can do better than that. That was standing. But I've got more in the tank. And I think what was asked of Blake last year and asked up some of those guys last year like it or not, as probably having a residual effect at this point, as far as I don't know, it's not over usage because that wasn't it I think, I mean, it's a combination may be of volume at times, and these guys bodies, maybe just not bouncing back as quickly as it would have if usage was different or if they had more time to bounce back the bottom line is Blake trying and shoulder is barking. It's not so serious that they feel like there's, there's no structural damage which is great. It's what's a strain grade. One strain, just probably some fraying and some inflammation in there. And here's the other thing, it wasn't ninety two. You know this guys throw a ninety eight ninety nine one hundred mile an hour singers. It's not down to ninety two ninety three like at times it is because those are cutters and sliders, and those balls are moving eight tonight. Inches, but it was ninety six ninety seven but it's a little flatter. Doesn't have the depth. That's a big deal for guys like that. So what they do have though is a guy in Liam Hendriks, who's been able to stand up and sort of fill in at the moment. For Blake, which is great because there hasn't been a ton of guys that have been able to do that down there in the as bullpen. So you lose a you lose. Baseball's best closer last year you lose him this year right now for a stretch. It's tough. It's very tough for a team has been reliant upon their bullpen. And that piece hasn't been the foundation that you'd like it to be either a few Nogues on trying in. I mean, we know he was much better last year, but it's kind of start to see the difference eighty and a third innings last year. He allowed to homers. He's allowed three homers in thirty five and a third innings this year. So not even half the innings pitched. You look out the strikeout-to-walk ratio a hundred strikeouts to twenty one walks last year. Thirty six strikeouts to twenty one walks this year that yeah it's not even close as walk rate has doubled from last year. And so, and to the point, when you don't feel right when you just don't feel right? There's a lot of things that get masked. And you think guys just getting his ass kicked. You think? A guys just get beat up. And that's that's just I mean, for me, it's not the case watching Blake because I've seen the stuff and I've seen the difference in the stuff he's just not the same duties, not right. He's not healthy. And you're not gonna get those same results. I know that. And I think those numbers do a great job reflecting that. No, it's, it's, it's, it's a shitty situation. But obviously, like you said, I guy wants to one up himself. You could tell that even at the end of the season, he was a little ga-. He wasn't the dominant Blake trying and in that wildcard game. I think I mean but also he was asked to do a lot in that game say, hey, be the savior when you're used to being a one inning guy, maybe five outs here and they're not three innings or whatever it was that he was asked out there and do it's like you, you just run out of gas. But yeah, the as the it's still regardless of having a decent replacement. Still bad news. Same thing for the cardinals Jordan Hicks. This is a torn UCLA. I hate to say that you kinda saw coming, but when a guy's blowing one, oh, four. It is kind of a matter of time. But then you, you know, you look at the oldest Chapman's of the world and the it is possible to throw that hard and not eventually run into Tj sir. Surgery. But when you see a guy throwing one oh four a young guy. It's it kind of it felt inevitable here. We are Jordan Hicks torn UCLA. They for some reason, the cardinals have announced Tommy, John surgery. They're like our going to look at other options. What other options are there at this point? Well, let's just the that's the protocol. I mean, they're the options depending on the level of the strain, which is the word that's used which is just a fancy word not really a fancy word, but just a different word other than tear, depending on the level of the severity of the tear. There are other options PRP is an option. That's -pletely. Rich plasma injections, very painful, by the way, not fun. Not fun at all. There's stem cell therapy that can be done. There's, there's a there's a lot. There's a lot of alternative approaches that, that can be that can be taken before. There you go under the knife. And I think is always trying to find a way to not get cut. That is just if you can. That's why you get two maybe three opinions. But I remember getting like a fourth opinion on my shoulder the last time like you sure you sure there's not a fuck it rain dance. We could do. Are you sure you know what I mean? Like a weedy board shit you stick in my ear, lobes, or something, that'll make this all go away. You sure all right? Cut it off fine. So that's, that's that's where we're at. Kind of shame, too 'cause he'd, he'd really kinda show last year. I think we were all kind of underwhelmed with velocity to results translation kind of air. I mean like whip is good. But the strike on numbers are just I mean I don't understand it. No, that's fair. But it had made a substantial increase even from last year, like his strikeout rate was up to twenty eight percent from twenty one his walk rate was down from thirteen to ten so I'm with I'm with you. That a twenty percent strikeout rate and ten percent. Walk rate is still a little bit underwhelming for what for one hundred and five miles an hour. And what you see in the stuff, but it was still disappointed because he had taken a step. Even if there was another step to go. Yeah. And I think I mean, Jay, maybe this is something you would wanna look into now that I think about it's probably something I'll take a dive into, like how, how efficient is he with his breaking ball in and around the strike zone. That's something that I would really dive into to probably get me an answer on why, why is not punching folks out. Because we know maybe we can have that by the end of the podcast. It could be a hundred and five all day long. But if you're not competitive around the zone with other things, you're not giving these hitters anything to respect in grad in the big leagues one hundred five with nothing else that might as well fuck. Ninety-two. Yeah. It's fascinating to me, how I mean, this is if you have a one hundred and four to five mile an hour, sinker again, this is not a four seam fastball time, it's it's one of four with movement. And this is a guy that should have two times as many strikeouts innings pitched. And I think he has maybe three or four more strikeouts than than pitched. It's. But yeah, obviously speed recovery to him. But the, the cardinals are going to have to look elsewhere, at least for a year, maybe even through the twenty twenty season. Because every even now like a year is optimistic. They did sign Andrew Miller. Andrew Miller, did not get off to the hottest of starts, but he's got a two seven zero Yara twenty five strikeouts. In is last twenty two appearances. But it was interesting candidates close Vanni go is it Gallego? How, how do you say guy goes Giovanni gatehouse who some numbers on him a zero nine to ER a five, six whip and a ten nine eight strikeouts per nine over his last seventeen appearances and over that span of the eighty three were relievers with at least fifteen appearances geigo has the fifth best ERA and the best whip in the majors. Stat guy guy goes was the guy who ended up in Saint Louis in the Luke Voight trade from the Yankees. Wow. Wow. So you're saying the cardinals won that trade saying. Yo another name to watch could this be the next act in Carlos Martinez career? Ooh ballgames. He's been pretty decent for them in a relief and believed she'll just came out and said that there are no immediate plans to transition him back into the rotation. I don't know. Closing ballgames and pacing yourself out through a ballgame or completely different things. But I think somewhere in there lies, a very similar mentality, you have to have a certain level of focus and discipline that tells you I have a job to do right now I have a job to do right now. And you need that in the ninth inning you need that as a starter. It doesn't appear that he's been able to grasp that concept fully because the stuff the stuff he's been able to dominate folks at the big league level with the stuff, it's about holding the focus, and is that somebody who at times, couldn't be volatile that you want to rely upon to get the most important outs in your baseball game, but ten most important house to get near baseball game, not say I mean there's we're not questioning the stuff right? We're not questioning whether that shit can play in the ninth inning. I think it's more about can the player play ninth-inning fair question. Ask I'm still going guy goes. The guy your sofa millions Gallegos gal yoga's. Print the shirts. Faulty another starting nine alum bites the dust. I mean, how many fucking guys have been on this podcast? There were excellent. Ed shares the bed, I starting to rub works in mysterious ways. Well, Lucas g Lido comes on. He goes from a leading the league in earned runs and walks to potentially starring the all star game for the American. I'm not gonna let Mike Fulton evidence to motion cloud. What is day legitimate starting nine role how we had we had Aaron Boone and Alex Cora on this podcast. And then they were magically just out of nowhere names, the managers of two most percentage franchises in sport. Okay. Yeah. It was two petitions by themselves outweigh fifty Mike, Fulton evidence, j you bring up a good point. And look, this is not me. Bashing faulty at all. Not at all. But I, I will say this much, there was a time in a place if I remember correctly where we may or may not have had the ability to secure that individual and their time at the all star game. And it was kind of told to us that. Around about way. There was probably going to be a mob factor or a mob affect. There was going to be an inability to kind of keep at bay. Maybe some fans that would be storming the areas that we had corn tnd off that we were kind of hanging out in. And we weren't able to get the incite or the sit down or the time that we were after that we were told we would get. So you're right, j while there is a positive rub that is clearly in full effect. I'm not gonna say that there's a negative side to the rub. I'm just going to say that. There's an individual who maybe wasn't able to come through, and now well, they're not going to be able to come through for. Well, yeah. I mean there is I think we've, we've probably mentioned this guy before, but I know needs to bring his name up again. There's someone else who turned us down during spring training who immediately got hurt for a long period. So. Yeah. I mean don't, don't fuck with the starting nine ju you saw the most of the guys that came on during spring training. They immediately got a lot of money. They were prepared properly for the twenty nine hundred season. Yeah, I mean Christian we, we've essentially turned Christian yelich into into Barry Bonds, go. He kind of is exactly Christian yelich though is that. He's very humble and bear. Berry knows how giddy is Christian yelich. I don't think realizes just how good he is Christian yelich cares. He doesn't care how good he is. Like I think he knows how good he is. He's like, yeah, I know. I mean that's cool or whatever. But he's just so mellow mellow. Like he I feel like you know this run that he's on could be over tomorrow. He'll be like. Well, you know how to run. It was pretty good. All right. Cool. Rollovers sweet. Yeah. Just a very, very down to earth. Cooled understand. Why he's good knows wise. Good doesn't need to share it with everybody. Let's the bat do the talk. The defense do the talking so yeah, there's look doesn't mean that Jared, I or not smarting up and ready to rub up. I'm ready to go at all times. But I'm just trying to think if Mukhi walks. And you kinda just wait like another year. Christian yelich is last one hundred and sixty two games three forty one four twenty eight seven six with fifty seven homers one hundred forty. One hundred and forty five RBI one hundred thirty eight runs and thirty two stolen bases. A hundred forty five Rb is in a hundred and thirty two runs thirty eight runs. Don't cheat them. All over his last say that again. One hundred sixty two games one hundred. So a full season, quote unquote home runs fifty seven home runs opium of over what twelve hundred has yet. Yep. A no PS over twelve hundred. Sorry, I'm trying to find it. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry eleven hundred eleven thirty four is the three forty one batting average fifty seven homers one hundred and forty five RBI one hundred and thirty eight runs in thirty two stolen bases. That is preposterous. Behaviorally video game number. Yeah. I mean you're talking about not even exaggerating that has to be one of the best one hundred sixty two games stretches in baseball history. It would imagine Barry Bonds doing shit. Like that for a decade is doing that in asleep. But quick note on fully. This is another case of the long ball killing a guy last year. Seventeen homers one hundred eighty three innings pitched this year sixteen homers in fifty nine in third. It's baseball. I'm so tired of shila. It's the baseball j nine point six percent of his fly balls last year turned into home runs. Twenty point five percent of his fly balls have turned into home runs this year so over double his fly balls or leaving the yard at double the rate they did last year. And I just I can't like I'd love to see maybe get into this. What's is average exit velocity that he's yielding standby. I saw Christian yelich hit a ball. On Sunday that almost hit the fucking wall, and was never more than like ten feet off the ground. Errand hits the fuck and missile that Eric the other day. Shit. He hit a ball and the bat drop the backdrop that ball should've went I thought it was going a thousand feet wages drop the bell. I thought that bowl was legit going to hit the second level maybe even the third deck of fucking Yankee. Stay on a line going up was shot upon over the weekend. The fuck it inside out on talk. Oh fuck. Rookie Smith comes up to the plate, and he gets jammed on the hands edit goes for sitter out kill right? Fuck it sitter corrobos shove as repeat seat. Todd Frazier get pissed and like throw his bat down, or like whip his bat after ball and the ball went out fucking home, or it's a joke. It is rate up joke, by the way, Foltz and exit velocity is essentially identical to what it was last year, fifty earth's percentile, so basically average exit velocity so associated. So you tell me that right there, Jay? All right. You're the fucking nerd, you got your lock your protect your on. What, what about that? You're, you're reading those numbers, and you're just like, oh, nothing to see here, nothing. I'm not saying I know you're not. But now I'm asking you to speak up for fucking nerd Ville now not like okay. Okay. So I'll speak up for nerd Ville. There have been studies that have existed for over a year now, by, like the smartest of the smart people. Okay. Alan Nathan, who is a widely respected physicists. There have been he's written books. He's written studies. He's like noncontroversial. They wrote about how the ball they studied the ball and the ball is different. That was concluded a long long time ago. And this idea that there's been some sort of mystery as to the baseball, and what constituted whether there's been a change. There really is. No mystery. The mystery is just why it isn't one hundred percent accepted at this point as opposed to whatever percentage it because OPEL Manford is lying folks. That's why tell. The people tell the people on command for tell tell the people what you've done with their balls. What did you do to my house? I feel what do you think the reaction would be? I think people will be more upset that they tried to cover it up for so long versus just admitting that. Yeah we try to do something with the balls to increase the offense because. I think people take steroids or conversely, we didn't do anything to the balls intentionally and they were manufactured differently, which has happened throughout baseball history. That would not be a first okay? So whether it was intentional or unintentional. The idea is, why don't we just say what it is Jay Europe, into Costa Rica. No, I have let me tell you. They're not sitting around Costa Rica. They're not sitting around the rich coast plotting on how to fuck with these baseball's that's being made. Plot. I'm not saying if it was done unintentionally by major league baseball that it was done intentionally by somebody in a factory. 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What do you got him? Get you love him. Three times star two time World Series champion and above fucking house and resident psycho with the haircut in the is all the above one bad equip, who is this dude, you know, hunter Pitts hunter, thanks for taking the time, brother, good to have you. Well, what an inch showdowns man. Thank you. Previous great to be here. Great to Hannity, my friend. As as we sit here today. I don't feed up in California. We've had some issues over there and do your city at the studio. But I doubt nonetheless. And when you fight you if I'm not mistaken, or you'll catch this, I no, no way we are in Detroit right now. Oh, you're you're in Detroit. You got an off day. I wanna ask you, because you are now with the Rangers originally drafted by the Astros. We know about the career kind of come full circle, but here you are out back home. What, what is it like now to find yourself to that play defense in the state shirt happened early you've gone through a shitload of the big league level in find yourself back here kind of where it all began in front of the hometown crowd? If you will what kind of mean to you have experienced what you have up to this point. And now here you are sort of able to, I don't wanna say put a bow on it 'cause you ain't done not by a long stretch. But really kind of the latter part of the career is bid at home in front of the folks, you love how fucking cool is that all I wanna I say, everything has been extremely cool. And I think you know this Dallas, like plan and, and bigly. In the big leagues. If you baseball, you know, it is a remarkable blessing. And, and it's just a complete joy. And literally every city that I've gotten to play for and gotten to learn about. No and experience. I've been extremely thankful for have had just absolute wonderful time in Houston house there. Now where it's been my off seasons. Philly was just an incredible. Noah's this quick, one year, but mandate, I learn a lot about that city that I love that city was awesome. And then kinda trade it not expectedly and, you know the roller coaster being traded, when you when you don't expect it is and ended up being just as a maze. Ing journey over to San Francisco. And that place, as you know, completely changed my life, I met my wife there absolately love that, that, that city in organization and you know, it got to be a part of some amazing teams that did some wonderful things and. And you know memories in forever changed by being giant. And then, you know, I, I gotta ask. I gotta ask you, what is it like going from the city of brotherly, but, like you mentioned, you know, opiates a quick time a quick trip, three dollars if you will, but yeah, brotherly love. That's bad base. Right. On into San Francisco, especially with the way those boys were playing ball at the time. What is what is that transition like? You know, it was it was definitely, it was definitely crazy. Because, you know, we were the Phillies hit on a five years in a row today. Shin expected to win chasing Ryan housing first half, you know, in, you know, it was it was definitely, the, you know, a tough time to, to not be, you know, for them to sell at the break, because I thought they were still clear trying to win when those guys got back and you know, it was, but it was exciting because the giants were young no one really expected a turn out of them if they had won the one World Series so obviously being in the playoff races a big deal and it was it was just really exciting. I got to experience the giants dodgers robbery really quickly. And at that time was was really intense, and those games were super fun. Because both teams are really good man. Yeah. You know, I don't really know how to explain it other than just a roller coaster and an exciting time and, and no, he really can't beat getting traded over. Or being. I think we were either a game up or game back and we have Wednesdays by ten and then ran on. And while won the World Series. So it was a pretty spectacular memory from me, that's for sure. Fuck of unreal. You Kimmy walked right into the fucking postseason. How many people I give my left testicle to, to, to enjoy that? That, that, that's phenomenal talks about the, the, the actual I dunno was something that you would kind of know you hear about growth. You watch baseball. You gotta feel for you know the Yankees SOX dodgers giants. Like you mentioned. But kind of getting into that was that something that was, like, kind kinda presented to you Kate. And I don't know if you understand this, but we hate the dodgers. Welcome to the giant was that kind of something that you that you grow into having play those dudes nineteen times a year. Like how how it that kinda how did it? How was it possessed it to you? And I guess how did you handle that? Well, when I get over there, there's always a lot of build up. And I, I honestly didn't know how, how big it was until, like, if I wore a blue shirt on like, and I was seeing or posted it on social media. Like a lot of like navy blue and blue shirts. And it was like people did not like blue. And this is not as soon as I posted one with the blue. All right. All the blues out whenever wearing blue again. The party you just like, you know, and rivalries like that or actually wonderful sports. And you know, wouldn't say hate the dodgers, but we love to play them. And we love to beat the dodgers, especially when you're giant, and you look for those series especially with both teams are good the electricity the energy to pulse of the fans when those teams are good really can't beat it. Other than, you know, the other the other are the rivalry seems like it's, it's pretty exciting electric as well. Yankees Red Sox. You got the east coast and the west coast robberies they're beautiful for baseball and all the all the all the people involved. You know, typically enjoy it. We talked about rivalries, obviously, what are the main recipes in, in a rivalry is emotion. You had the opportunity to be a part of that rivalry, but you were on the team eighteen eight of one of the more emotional yet, almost like. Folklore folk tale type characters in Madison Bumgarner, and we all know about the history between him and plea. And the reason I bring that up is point to lead me this. We talk about, and we see backflips going on these days. We pitchers. Did you see the kid in the callers series, the other day after punching homeboy out walking off the field? I think he was he was sharing his favorite coffees is like flex sickles flood sickles or something to that nature. I think you saying seen that video that I saw the clip of it. I didn't see it live. I just saw on the on the Instagram. All right. So you don't know why he did it or when he did it or what the that was or what player done before. They know each other like there's so many things, I don't know about that moment. Oh, sure, sure. And yet believe me, I'm not looking to get into that specific scenario, but it was later in the ball game, and it was a big punch out and video just kinda shows the guy walking off the mound, and he's looking in at the hitter and from there, you can see the pitchers face, like kind of light up like he's reacting to maybe gesture or facial gestures, something from the hitter. And then he just tells them twice. Like whoa rescue. But I asked you, that because we see flip in the bat at a ridiculous rates balls flying out of the port ridiculous rate starting pitchers kind of create their own little celebration or their own little version of the backflip. Here's this thing that you are here for something that needs to be sorted out. Is this something that we need to turn it keep old school? Like where where do you stand on this, because you're a dude who I said, man, you come into the game with your fucking hair on fire? Love what you clay the game. I loved the approach I loved the intensity. So there's something that tells me you're a guy who I would love to be in the foxhole there, which is why I want to know where your mind that was shit like this, because of her on a team you don't send them taking a bullet for you like you or not doesn't matter off the field. Maybe we don't have dinner, but on the field under kevlar vest. So I need to know what hundred things about this shit. Well, first off just go on and say these are all, you know, opinions and I do think that all of these things find a way to work themselves out themselves. You know, some people people are going to take exceptions things. Some people are people aren't there's gonna be fights. There's gonna be not fights is gonna be all sorts of stuff, and that's the beauty of sports. That's the beauty of baseball. I mean I just got back from winter ball and man did I ever have a blast? They I mean what will go pitcher did is like miniscule to, like every single strike out of could be the first and the guys leg and move walk in doing a trip. And they just love it. And you know, played with that was that. Yeah. And that was, and that was the first time. Where'd you play you play Mexico? Or you wouldn't put DR did you? I went to DR Dominican Republic. I was completely changed. My swing this off season. So I, I started like two days after the season working with a hidden guy. Actually Justin Turner is hitting guy. And then I worked with him for month and a half went to winter ball for month and a half to, to work it in games practice, little bit longer, and then came into spring training feeling like the new human these sway, and it was a lot of fun. But back to their original question, though. And like like I said, all these to me are pinions, and I have a, you know, my theory is he who angers you conquered you? So therefore, like, oh, like I'm, I I'm kinda more like the collide Leonard where like I don't care how it gets done. What gets done. What happens all the that takes like I'm here to win the game yet you do? I went to look to see who won the game. And it looked like Vanderbilt won the game. So. I think is that who won the game. I believe, so, yes. I mean that's the mission. I mean, the reason I put on, you know, the reason I put in all the work and do all that. And I'm willing to back my teammates, because you need to be strongest knit team. You have, and you need to be focused in on tasks to win the game to win, you know, to continue to reach those dreams, those goals of doing some, that's greater than yourself something greater than yourself as to, you know, winning a championship for your college for your city for your stadium for your family for all of the people that are involved with the organization, all of the memories and all of the inspiration of the people that you, you know, are in touch with. So to me, it's bigger than one moment, me in guy, or guy show and be up. You're representing your family representing your uniform, and so many other people in a bigger thing, and you don't know what kids watching? So to me, I want to be an example of like you said being a great teammate being a player that plays the game to win no matter how you know what, what happens. And also when when I do get beat and. Level at the highest level, I lose with dignity, and respect. And I honor and congratulate you 'cause I came, you know, as Tom Brady one said, he's like sacrificed my life for this game. So you'd better have done the same beat me like let's go like I'm all in. I'm ready. And I'm gonna get my cats you and I'm gonna enjoy the competition. That is that is a goose blow type buck in response. Are you kidding me? I've got a brick wall out back hundred it's probably not gonna be. Are you? Look, that's just the way I look at it, and, and it doesn't matter to be what you do your and honestly, I enjoyed the entertainment of the sand. So like all that stuff. I it doesn't it doesn't affect me, as long as you're not threatening the F U thing I might have had a problem with. But like those things like I said worked themselves out dancing, and, and, and doing your thing, it doesn't matter to me. I think we can all agree that at the certain point in time. And, you know, those magic words time you're trying to get a feel for the strike zone behind you. Right. You look back there out that as far down, as we're gonna goes that about as far high. It goes. But if you look back there and tell him you or horseshoe won't properties about yourself an early shower that that's shit. That's the flexibility there. So it's all about how you that's how you massage it totally understood getting back to you making the point about the close knit team via Greek teammate. It's been well documented, but the but the grounds crew the folks were listening to just so you know. Diverse listening base here. You've got this insight. We've got other parents who are absolute cycles for letting their kids. Listen to this. We got everybody all over the place. They all know, and they over member that extremely impassioned and motivated speech use wrote down in the dugout two thousand twelve I had a little insight to what was going on. Obviously, my best friend being Brian Wilson. Not the pitch at the time but was still around the club to be a part of it, but he bore witness to that. What comes over you? I don't remember two minutes. Thirty seconds, whatever before you're like Boyce gathering little campfire, uncle hunters got fucking. What, what, what, what we to that? Well, I mean, it was built up momentum much bigger than just even myself, you know, and, and actually Wilson was a huge catalyst to, you know, a lot of our talks, you know, before I ever gave any speeches or before any of this was ever, you know, brought, I was just kind of the messenger and, you know, you know, there's always the, the, you know, the elders of every team and the ones, you know, when you care you, you, you willing to say anything to anything and, you know Wilson was one of the great informers leaders, and, and just giving me great great ideas and insights in what, you know, timing, and he was he was giving us everything he had even though he wasn't out. They're able to play mentally and spiritually. And then you know obviously hobby Lopez. Jeremy Affeldt BUSTER, Posey's scooter. Oh scooter. Oh was unbelievable. And they were just like if they something were dead, and we were like, no, we're not. We're not ready to die like we're not ready to be out of this. And so we'll say anything we just kinda all bounce it around. And I just became the messenger in, you know, and, and honestly, it was just I don't even know how to explain it. Almost like blackout and just go crazy. We all. That series. Get what I said, let me help me. Gay Siri delivered message. Fuck and sent. That's all that would. Credible. A team that you mentioned. We'll see you mentioned a lot of other guys that were impactful, especially streets. But. Mold underpins into talking about maybe. Or under wall when you were just Wooltel trying to out which aunt, we're gonna put that solo that glove on, maybe it was somebody that you rolled up to your first big-league camp. It was like, okay, you know what this guy is this guy. He's helping me out who those early influences for you. My early influences you come out just a little bit for me. But I think you said the early influences. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I have many, many influences coming up, but obviously me and my brother, my brother's four years older than me. I mean, it was kind of our, our journey together, you know, every summer like you know, getting in growing up in Texas. It's hot and just filling up water. Coolers and going and play baseball all day until the sun went down every day in the summer and practicing on our own and you know, playing with the ball games and tape ball games. And, you know, he went to us before me and start giving me all the stuff they were doing in college, and he wants to pro ball before he was give me all that stuff how to train how to do this. And you know it was both of our like pure love and passion. And like he's been with me through all of this also had a couple of other, you know, significant people darn Warner who I believe, is still with the Orioles. He's just like. Minor league core. Minor league catching coordinator, maybe he's had a couple of major league jobs. But his son Ryan Warner was on my high school team. And I didn't have a car and high school, and I would just stay at the field and he was a minor league coach at the time, and he would just come up there and like him be grounders, everyday taught me, a whole bunch about staying inside the baseball and swinging we just played literally like once again, till the sun went down to my dad could come and give me and I mean I didn't really wanna go home, because that's what I wanna do. So, you know, I think it's pivotal, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have had a lot of the guidance. It wasn't for my brother. You know, that was it was kind of our thing. And he's, he's still, you know, my best friend and knows everything about everything and follows every game more than anyone. So those were two that I think everything every baseball player has like, someone who really is like a big partner, and has a lot of help and a lot of assistance to make it to as far as you know, the big leagues just like you Dallas. I'm sure you have a similar story of someone that just like you really connected with. That, that changed your life. So I've had a lot of help, and those are two of the best. That's, that's incredible. You're absolutely right. 'cause a lot of times it's not really it's not really a coach as the -sarily it could just be somebody maybe neighborhood somebody who just kind of gets you from aid to be that allows that dream to be realized and they don't believe, they don't know where realize themselves how big of an impact, they're having on their life, your brother. He's just being brother. Right. He he's cool opportunities and he's over doing exactly what he would do overhaul with you look up and holy shit. I've raised a Piggly, that's gonna be awesome feeling not only for your family. But the for your brother as well. You talked about how that your, your wife said, you met your wife in San Francisco, you're just a baseball player, your for lack of a better phrase English absolute during way possible your fucking weirdo. And I am I am here for. But like the level of Where'd it goes to you, and I actually talked about this. I'm starting to get into the, the coffee. See your facet. Call dude of what your video game guy, or your guy or board game guy. 'cause like your book like and all that, aren't you? Yeah, I'm into honestly, I just loved competing like and I love to play games. I love to play. I'm into anything to be honest with you like I enjoy video games. I can get down with, like rocket league smash brothers, you know, I like that, you know, car games like magic I like board games like sellers could ton- you know, really just anything that that brings people together and have a good time just, and that's why I feel like coal sorts so fun because it has options to do all that. But also, that's kind of what our houses game night, just play in hanging out, laughing and chilling but yeah, I don't mind getting into some weird stuff that you not everyone knows about, like keep an that's for sure. I wouldn't be or so you're, you're on an off day. You've got the world at your feet to go wherever you like to go, where is, what is your favorite city in the league to experience an off day in all right to eight millions land on are like, oh my God, it's underpins. He's on an off day where. Man. That's tough to say 'cause all the cities are so good in different ways. Wow. You know, typically I always liked to. There's good coffee. That's my main. My main thing is waking up going at breakfast and coffee. You know, obviously, it's hard to and not everyone's gonna agree with this, but for me because I have a house in Houston. It's always awesome to be Houston have so many coffee shops, and I know the food, and you know, it's home for me. So I love I lo- being there. That's a great off-day anywhere in California, 'cause the weather's amazing Colorado's great have a amazing coffee. Shop I go to their called little Al copy. Yeah. View cities. They're great awesome. Is that is that spot in Colorado? Is that near the field? It's near the hotel. Yeah. Actually, you can walk for middle out coffee to the field. Typically, I'll walk from the hotel too little the field. And that'd be my morning. Every day your morning. Jaunt. Yeah. Yeah. Well, how is your copy going, by the way else, it's going great man? It really is. It's going great. I'm finding out that I'm a huge fan of the dark roast. Like I went from looking at people who drink the dark rose to drink their coffee, black. Like they were absolute like not the kiss to now. I'm like, no, no. Honestly. Give me black. Let it brew for probably double the time. And I'm all in. I'm big portal. Her guy, you know, I I'm, I'm dabbling in the ice will, I still I'm doing novice though. I'm trying to try what might be in terms of talent. Pour over gonna get it really is. I feel like it is. And you know, far more than I would. 'cause, you know, my life's not the fancy this spread so Johnny with all the. Bells and whistles and shit. And I feel like it's more of a fucking chemistry project for me to figure that out. Then it is just simply poured over. So I could be case. Grinding, them and Orrin water or you know. Feels good, doesn't it? It's like we come in, like it's like just being part of the earth, you know, like, that's why love, you know, coffee grind Bruton like, yeah, it makes me feel good on a big fan of the fruit of the or hundreds of furnace providing flowers. Trust me. I'm doing everything. I can't consume. I wanna taste them. You have been very gracious with your time. We appreciate that one question. We do at all of our guests. What relevent Bill? If I can put you in a hot tub time machine and take you back any moment in baseball history. Any moment you can be there to relive it. What is it? I mean I'm a hundred percent system bachelor with Babe Ruth, it would be really any any opportunity to talk to Babe Ruth any of his World Series championships. Many probably the Homer that he called that would be another one. But yeah, I mean you know, every baseball he's like the face of, of baseball history, America's pastime, he's got the charisma got that he just had the style of the class, the everything. And I just love studying him. I love every picture of and, you know, I, I always, you know, just get full full that like childish, awesome energy, every time I see anything that has to do with abor. So that would definitely be anything anytime any moment to just say, Hello, shake. Sam. I am with you. I can't say we are. There's roughly fifty percent of this podcast. That is Babe Ruth from the podcast. I represent that fifty percent. I've got a picture of Babe Ruth who was present at a stadium in Stockton, California. Colleague, the name of the stadium. Is Billy Heaver field, but he's actually standing on that student. He played in that stadium during the born storming off season days, and that picture hangs ominously in or great room in my home. So I have a long you do in vapors. That's why like surely on. God. It's the second coming toward. So I, I really yeah. That's awesome. I wanna see one day I'm invited myself over whenever I'm around. Well, what coffee? We'll have caught here. Neighbors. Yeah. Good time. Appreciate your brother, take time. Enjoy that off day man dose. Thanks for having me on your show, pre sheet it all the best. My man take care. Shout out two hundred Pence for making the time. Obviously, I know you're, you're, you're making the rounds you're trying to you're trying to get yourself on that all star team. Sure he's talking to other outlets. None more important than started nine. But thank you, two hundred Pence for making the time, obviously Dallas mentioned earlier shocker, there was some technical difficulties on the barstool end of things, and we were able to make it happen. He was patient throughout that process. Instead stemming there's some guys in this league. We'll name any names, but you make them sit around me. Hey, sorry, barstool you, you know, the deal we got fucking squirrels chewing on the wires. We gotta wait a little second before we can have you come on the podcast. Yeah. Sorry. Maybe next time that, that's you know that's the thing that happens with some guys not hundred Pence. He's a guy at one point in time. One hundred Pence was legitimately offering solutions. At that point time, I had to hang up ago hundred you're gonna show you right now you're away bitter human being than I am. Because I'm Cussing at this and I'm telling him and I love him. I love me some Manley. But I'm telling him that he's a fucking more on right now and you're trying, you're trying to trouble shoot. I need you to not do that love that. I love that. What I didn't even get to ask you. I wanted to ask him like out of all the signs right? The hundred pen signs, what's the best one. I didn't even get. There was shit like that 'cause we were sitting there with are digging our hands for twenty minutes is also a big is Daniel Bryan guy because he brought the yes movement to San Francisco, which is really fucking cool. 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I don't wanna call this breaking news. It's more of just a floating report, and I would also consider the source. This is Chris Moore, who works for CBS radio. WFAN heat tweets just a maybe a half an hour ago. The Yankees are targeting Lewis castio of the reds, I'm hearing twenty six under control through twenty twenty three Ballo blah, blah. I why would the reds do that, who the hold on the who's targeting them the Yankees? Why would the reds do that? I don't I don't think they would I'm not giving this any stock the. We have young talent that they could make it happen. But Lewis castio is the real deal. He's under team control for another four seasons after this trade him for prospects. You're trading him for guys that you can only hope will become as good as cassio is right now in will be for the next four years. That doesn't make any sense of the reds to do that. Are the Cincinnati Reds a team that you think looks at the next four years as a window of opportunity for them to get all of their options, all of their actions? This offseason suggested that yes, the other view that, and honestly, if you're gonna if you're going to trade Louis, which I'm not saying this reports true, so, whatever, but hypothetically, if they were going to trade, Luiz Custodio, that would have to precipitate like a half dozen other moves like that would be full, pivot of what's going. He's under control through twenty twenty three. Yeah, if he's not somebody that you're holding onto and valuing than what is the what is the point? What is the I there's no denying what he represents? I'm just wondering if the Cincinnati I get it with the moves. They made this year like you know what we feel like we'd be able to compete even with this roster right here. That's fine. Is that reality? No, I don't think it's necessarily reality. But I think it can still be a reality. If you like if you refocus on twenty twenty through twenty twenty two like to me, there's no real reason why the reds couldn't be competitive during that stretch. It always felt like a year early to me. Just the idea of like Louis is a guy like you have to would have to get a unbelievable hall that it would be difficult to imagine out there for Lewis castio. It just doesn't make any sense, doesn't make any sense. Sure, doesn't just want to acknowledge it as it is a blue checkmark person writing or working for a somewhat reputable media outlet. Didn't want to get caught with our pants down. Don't wanna help. You'll be like, why didn't you talk about that? So we gotta do a little check in on some teams here. The Atlanta Braves have been hot for a little bit. The Atlanta Braves. It's, it's we, we talked about them if not last week the week before about moving a kunia back to the leadoff spot. And how that was the exact same thing that launched them last year. It, it it's working again. It's working again this year. JD Josh Donaldson has been hitting the shit out of the ball. Akhoon is obviously doing what he does best. But this is a team that is taking advantage of now a division that I thought I don't know if I thought it would be the best division baseball, but definitely had a strong case, but we just once again have teams that are not living up to Jack speculations. I thought for sure. That, you know, you, you, you take Bryce hopper off the nationals, Soto takes another step forward. But you sign Corbin. There's not gonna be that big of a drop off. There has been the Mets the Mets the Mets the Marlins not even worth discussing. The Phillies have been the most interesting team for me in that division. Because I still expected the Braves too. I didn't think that the Braves were flu clash here. I thought that they were early, but I didn't think that they were a fluke. I thought that they would be able to repeat what they did, if not better in twenty nineteen versus twenty eighteen but the Phillies. What the fuck is going. I mean obviously the mccutchen injury is, is one thing share Bryce Harper, not being the Bryce Harper that, you know, the Phillies dot that they are paying for. That's another but outside of that those are two guys that were there last year when the Phillies were a very good team in the first half of the season, it almost feels like they're slide that they I mean, historical slide that they endured last year towards the end of the season is just happening earlier this year and the bullpen has not been greet. The bullpens, the bull in his featuring I believe, like a like a whip almost at one and a half that sixty six five six bullpen ERA over the last month and I believe, yeah. And opponents like their opponents batting average is. I wanna say it's like two seventy I was looking at it last night to sixty eight to seventy I believe that's third worst in baseball, the second highest home run rate out of that bullpen right now as well. Things have not been good things have not been good. Any? Put a middle of the pack towards bottom of the pack up as well. Real real Mutoko has been as been MIA recently. I mean, I think you can I think you can say that on the whole on the entire offseason overall this season Reese Hoskins is the only offensive player who has met ofensive expectations Cesar Hernandez. He's been okay. He's been okay. Maybe he's met expectations. Certainly nobody's exceeded them on Muto's doing a great job defensively. If you buy those numbers, I don't watch him enough to know whether he's being a great defensive catcher. But strictly on strictly offense, he's got a sub three twenty on base. Percentage power has not followed along with the power in the game right now. And this has been a tough stretch us I believe like looking at it last night. I would he have fucking for a Bs or whatever so he's like two for twenty four maybe something like that to last twenty four. So it's been a rough stretch. A rough stretch. Here's the other guy that we haven't touched on as far as the Phillies slide Aaron Nola. Yeah. Like he hasn't been like impossibly bad, but his ER as at, like, four four. He's like, is he are as almost double from what it was last year. Like, the, you would assume part of the Phillies thought process this off season was, hey, we have the pillars in place where adding a Harper mccutchen, a real Muto make sense because we have our ase. We have another cornerstone offense player in Reese Hoskins, we have some other mildly intriguing pieces on both sides. And a lot of those guys that they thought they had employees have kind of poof like Aaron Knowle's pitch, nothing. Like an ace the bullpen that they thought they would have Dallas touched on how bad they've been Sarangani Dominguez was probably their best reliever. Has been essentially worthless and or injured this season. I mean on a baseball field, not as a human David Robertson, was there, big free agent acquisition. We've almost forgotten about him because he got injured so early in the season is not contributed. The ace level relief pitching that they expect it so like. It's not necessarily a disaster long-term, but you can see why this isn't working when, you know you're ace crumbles and nobody steps up to be a number two potato was a big breakout candidate. Nobody stepped up to fill that void. So, and to go back to the Braves for a second. I mean that offense is just like that's a point television as far as I'm concerned between between Tunisia, and Ozzy Jaydee Freeman, interesting players, legitimately run a half dozen six to seven players, deep on that lineup every single day. And there are very few offenses, where you can really say that we're like I wanna watch that guys that I wanna watch that I that one thing. One thing about the Braves what are your thoughts on all as both you this? What are your thoughts? I don't know how much attention you pay. Sirocco after getting drilled. Yeah. On the orm on the and if you like if you go back and look at maybe his last four starts, or so they've been a little different. Than the starts previous. And, and there was no way. And I think we're on the same page here. There was no way he was ever going to continue posting like a two flat Yarra, right? Like that's that was never going to happen. It was like sub to up until I don't know like three or four weeks ago. Elko seven Phipps over three like he doesn't miss bats, like which isn't the only way to pitch. Well, I'm not saying that. But, like he doesn't have huge swing and miss stuff. He's got a low walk rate. He's really suppressed home runs this year. Like I think if you count on him to provide you with number three level production moving forward. I think you're, you're likely to be okay. You're not going to be disappointed. Yeah. Which goes back to the idea that again, I think we're all on the same page with even after the kaikal signing. I do feel like the Braves could use another starting pitcher who might that be go. So what do you think is the bigger need for them as well now that they've they've demoted Fulton? They still need a closer. I think I think they need both in ace level reliever or one of the three or four best that's on the market. And I think they need a starting pitcher. I think they need both and given the comments that they made about their ability to spend when necessary, you would think that there's room in the payroll for this. I'm not gonna call him in elite ace level reliever at this point, but two key served. Well out of the bullpen an Israel as not yet. And so as Luke tax they have a few guys who have been serviceable. But like there's no way that you can convince me that going in with Tuckey Tucson and Luke Jackson is your top two relief pitchers going to fly over the final three more and, and, and nuke nuke stolen the ball. When he's not trying to knock should down with his. He's throwing throwing the ball very well in that role as well. Where do you think the odds are that the Braves pull off a move where the choir both from the same team? I guess who would fit that Bill. And I mean, I guess the tens with Bumgarner and Will Smith. Right. That would be one out. One way that satisfied, both little little bullied kills me. Ooh. Will Smith and Madison Bumgarner. They might not have far to travel should they. Fuck off. There's you wish. Jerk. Do I ever just throw around? No. But. I don't ever just throw shit like that. Right. Not just throw shit like that. And now that I'm thinking of it the money's not crazy. So. Not at all. Not because I was thinking, like a Sherzai do little package, but that's just never going to happen for the Braves. But I feel like that could be a package for a team. I don't know where that would fit. But yeah, moneywise. Yes. Will Smith and in Madame travelling together that would make a lot of sense for, for a handsome package. Sheriff Bryan McCain, he and Bumgarner can just police the entire diamond. It'd be great. They're going to yell at the cubs for all the shit that they do. Everybody. Yeah. Don't let the Indians get hot Jay. Boy, not dead yet. Mhm very at. Well, I mean to me, this is all been about the offense the cleanser injury again. Hurts. Brutal. That's brutal. It's like you wait for him to get back remember. Yeah. You remember Dominy was in the brief taste that we had this season. And then he goes right back on the shelf. Obviously, corral news, which we talked about recently. I mean, they're missing a preposterous number of high level pitchers at this point between kluber harass go and cleven jer but the offense which looked like honestly hard to watch at different points this season is kind of clicking. Right now, the Carlos Santana Francisco indoor Oscar Makoto trio has been really productive. And the idea that like. Mocatta playing and he he he produced quickly, but not immediately. So it was encouraging to see them kind of like, let him work through some stuff because he's obviously their best outfielder. They just released or designated Leona smarten that trade did not work out. But to see like Mercado emerged from that outfield, which has been kind of a wasteland that we've talked about plenty has been really encouraging. You know, I think just mathematically, it's going to be really really difficult to get back into the AL central race because they're still seven and a half games back even after this done in the central but. They are in the wildcard spot right now. The second one they have a one game lead on the Red Sox Rangers that also will be hard to hold because I think we can all into Speight. The Red Sox continuing to come, but. It's not it's not it wa- season. And I do think it's going to make the idea of should we trade, Trevor Bauer or should we trade one of these other players? Much more difficult over the next couple of months, but it's been the offense that's carried and that's been really encouraging. Some, some breaking news here. We got the Yankees have designated Kendra Morales for assignment, could be the end of the road for him as. It is painful to watch him attempt to run to first base has not been the power bat that we've known him to be in the past maybe team that needs desperately needs. Some lefty pop takes a takes a flyer on them. But would not be surprised if this is the end of the road for him. Rest, former Oakland a great. We gotta give some love to Zach. Please ACA sure, he's Dan, please. X nephew. Correct. Yeah. Restore. Yup. Come up. And, and some of that void we've been talking about what the starting rotation for sure by and Bieber Bauer of held their water. You can't you can't just you know so as long as those guys continue to do that much, and maybe the offense can start to figure it out, j I don't see any reason why you're not competitive in that AOL wildcard spot. I mean not not to be a complete asshole, but your shot of winning that division for me is gone. That's not going to be a thing, but it's only seven games. That's honestly, like eighty five percent me just being an asshole to, you know, it's not. I mean it's not dodgers division lead level. No, I I don't know why those four other teams are even playing baseball. The dodgers have a twelve game lead on the second place, Colorado Rockies, which is. Second place to. On the second point. They're run differential is more than double the next closest in the NFL. It's, it's dot even fucking close. Like you look at the NFL and I'm just like man like what would be an exciting five game series that might give the team to that's gonna play the dodgers chance to beat the dodgers dodgers raves? They I don't think that would be particularly close right now. The, the dodgers have achieved the enviable combination of having the best offense in baseball and the best starting rotation statistically. It's pretty it's pretty hard to be. It's really hard. Speaking of the dodgers, how about how about the fuck in history, set by three rookies that was awesome or you kidding me. Walk off. Walk on walk. Fucking crazy. Is that at your point Jared, some of those baseballs? Probably could have stayed in the part a little jam shot. Not walk off jobber. I could not believe that I legitimate was just beside myself like you hit up all, and I'm like, oh, what a great. What pop basement? Right. Like that's easily I in my head and because I mean you just and I'm sure you guys are just like me. You, you watch so much baseball. You see a ball off the bat, and you can just almost close your eyes and envision how the rest of that play unfolds. So I'm envisioning the rightfielder the center fielder and the second baseman like converging out there in the shallow outfield to make a play. And that ball goes out to right center. Sweet we can talk shit about at all. But for them to have three guys in the lineup at that age on three days in a row be able to answer the belt that. Isn't it a barest of riches? I don't know. Yes. Is it is 'cause like I still good. And they have rookies coming out and doing damage for them like they are aren't away, the most productive team in major league baseball this season. And they've got rookies out there that they're bringing up and they're contributing in a way that's, that's helping the dodge. Let me let me ask you this. I'm just I'm just thinking about this right now. I'm thinking about three performances out of that starting rotation. Is it am I just am I really am? I way too high right now for the morning for me to think that they could have three guys potentially three guys kicking around in a Cy Young conversation. Yes, I think it is too early. Visit cursed I don't think her Shaw's going to get the body as we sit right now. Do a little Karabelas math. All right. Let's do some crops, if the season were to end today, or those three arms Walker review in Kershaw viable Syon conversation pieces right now. I think it's real. I think that's, that's the main guy, I think inability, but yeah, the whole if you want to do the whole if the season were to end today. I don't know. I feel like I. I'm not saying that they're one two three. Let me I guess. I'm not saying that the one two three not by any stretch. I'm saying this rotation that j just told us is the best in baseball along with the best offense in baseball that rotation could potentially feature three guys or is featuring three is that you could weave into the Cy Young conversation right now. Just just right now. I guess I guess that's a better way to say because there's not is there another staff in baseball. That's got three. You know what I mean? No, there's probably no other staff knock on real is out of this world right now. I think I think the raise would have a case if glass now didn't get hurt if he wasn't hurt. Yeah. I mean he's throwing thirty innings though case with I mean, Morton's been great fifty innings whatever it is for what it's worth fan graphs, top four in wins above replacement in the NFL right now is sure Zor review degrom. Bueller? Mueller. And he's in there. No. You didn't. It was very very average. Oh, by the way, I was just looking around on the leaderboards. The dodgers also have the best defense by defensive runs saved. And it's not even close. How about their bullpen j? It's more likely average. Have you taken a look at it? Yeah. I mean, I didn't bring it up because it was the only one that wasn't I Walker bueller theme. I was selling Walker. Bueller had a in eight to five ERA over his first three starts over his last twelve starts, or in the twelve starts since then a two one six ERA opponents hitting one eighty five to seven Opie, s and he has struck out ninety one batters in his last seventy nine and a third innings pretty good. That is, including that sixteen strikeout. No walk piece. Oh my God. I was I was so hard so hard watching the fact that he even couple of solo shots. But that's just speaks to the balls. I think more than anything else you go complete game. Three hits. Two of them. Go over the fence. Both solo homers, no walks. Any punches out sixteen Rockies the free swinging Rockies. The Rockies were the team that sale punched out eighteen against. They've had some real tough camps, but they actually fucking won that game, which is insane, but just another example of just because you playing field doesn't mean you have a good offense. I'm going to handle this next team. Because there has been some refusal to admit this shortcoming by my podcast partners on on this on this starting nine and I want you guys to admit that it is a problem. Now the brewers starting rotation, folks. The brewers not out of the division very much in the NL central very much in the wild card. They have a negative run differential right now. So if we're just being objective, this is not the follow up to last year is breakout campaign that I think most were hoping for maybe some anticipated most would not have said that the brewers would have a negative run differential. They're starting pitcher Yara over the entire season is five point zero two that's not acceptable. It ranks twenty second in baseball even worse their starting rotation. ERA over the last month is a head of only the Blue Jays and the Mariners who are baseball teams in name, only okay? So what would you say? Jared namely. What would you say to me once again, bringing up the idea that the brewers starting rotation is insufficient for a World Series contender. I like to help out here man, but I'm just gonna sit back and let you do know the brewers. I mean, I've been saying this since last year, and they never I guess they got GIO Gonzalez last year. But I've been saying since last year that you have a group in place, at least. Ofensive -ly. Where you should go out and do something like Masimba MD garner was a guy that they should have been talking about at the deadline last year. Like I don't understand how you could see what they did pitching wise in twenty eighteen see how close they got to a World Series and then not address that in the off season. I don't I don't get it because the offense clearly is good enough to be supplemented by well, I mean, obviously that they've had Jeffress was a Jeffress hasn't been Jefferson's the postseason started last year. So something happened with Jeff bullpen snowmen really good this year. No, the bullpens been good. But there's, there's definitely something off with Jeffress. But yeah, it's I don't understand how you can look at this team. And think, yeah, that's that's the rotation that I want to go to war with. I mean so there have been they've had six guys six starters, log at least thirty innings how good Wade Miley has been like at the beginning of the podcast. When I was like, yeah. How many guys could you put in the conversation for best value offseason acquisitions, with hunter Pence? Wade Miley is probably very much in that conversation with hundred Pence, and I mean, what did he signed for, like three million five million? Not much. I mean if got so they've had they've had six pitchers throw at least thirty innings for the rotation this year, I would say three of them are clear answers as part of some productive rotation. Geos Zach Davies and Brandon Woodrow. Woodrow spend by far their best pitcher this year. What he's strike twelve the other day he's got he's got a K per nine just under eleven his Phipps at three zero seven. He's basically been as productive according to war as the rest of the rotation combined. Zach Davies fuck executives. What's that? Another new thought you were forgetting Zach Davies, no Gonzales, Davies and Woodruff are part of a successful rotation. But the people that you have who have thrown the other innings have been absolute trash, like chase Anderson, Freddie Peralta, and you'll e show seen the ladder. The last of whom was a big part of their success last season. Those guys have been really bad, like scenes ER, as at five eight Peralta over seven chase Anderson doesn't look like the guy he was else. Than what's that, Nelson. Yeah. Jimmy Jimmy Nelson. I think the, the news after his most recent start was that he might be in jeopardy of his spot. And obviously he was a guy who looked like he might be a frontline starter before that shoulder injury. But I make sure they're running the basis. God, dammit. To me, this is just like I don't think anybody's burying the brewers but I was looking at the standings and I couldn't help, but notice that they had a negative run differential, which when you think of just out some of the Joe's first place. Jay, what's that? I couldn't help. But notice that they're a game back of first place. Well, you know what I think we all know what would be more indicative, future success? And it would be it would be that shady ass run differential that their sporting out there, even while they got berry fucking bonds on their team. Literally figure it out. This is not that there's a difference between. Let me see what, what's like a comparable team to the brewers this year. I guess the Phillies. Yeah. The angels, the angels, the Phillies. The brewers out of those teams that have very many like barely breaking even teams. Would you agree that the brewers have the best chance to actually do something here? I think they're the best team of the group. So it's not a quick fix. But it's an easy fix. If that makes sense. Yeah. And they have the benefit of not being in the division of the Astros to which is nice as to the angels. Yeah. I got to tell you about audible. Listening makes us smarter. More connected people. It makes us better partners. Parents and leaders. And there's no better place to start listening than audible. 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