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96 - Monster Month: Ghosts!
"Approach. Listener supported W NYC. Studios. Hello and welcome to the show tange the lately horrifying Knowledge Scream case starring some of the ghoulish genius that bring the Youtube Series Sochaux to live this week as always I'm joined by the Spine Tingling Stephan Jaden Lou. How many Vertebra are there in the human spine thirty three? Right, I'll really Stephan. How did you know that I don't know that was The my brain maybe I've watched enough Asmar chiropractor videos that I. Somehow absorbed that Information Center. Well. That's the spookiest thing. Seven what's tagline? Bud Screaming Sam Schultz is also here today Hello Sam Hilla and what's your tagline Sam old bowl of cereal and the scary sorry Riley also here with us today Sarah What's the best? Gourd I'm a butternut squash and my yard right now and burying grilling to see it grow bigger and bigger. So I think that's leave record right now it's the best but Jerry, what's your tagline a bucket of slime and I'm in green and my tagline is lips all lips. Every week here on Tangents, we get together to try to freak out and frightened and terrified each other with science facts were playing for glory but also keeping score and awarding sandbox from week to week, we try to stay on topic, but we're not always great at that. So if the rest of the team deems a tangent unworthy, we will I give up one of your sandbox. So tangent with care and for this most horrifying month of the mall were doing things a little differently each week in October, we will be talking about the science related to inspired by or just sort of vaguely reminiscent of. Classic Horror Monsters, and now as always, we will some this week's monster with the traditional science incantation this week from Stephan, if you're a pacman without a power pellet, it's time to run away. But if you're the spirit of Patrick Swayze, you can go ahead and touch that clay. We were texting a lot but then it was unexpectedly done and a pepper of this type will definitely haunt your tongue who are you gonNA call if you can't do it yourself well, go streiter might be the one who could help some sharks below the surface are deep ocean guests and above are empty ships or towns with none left alive. And if it's you might be fun to operate for your friend because every appearance as a surprise when you're dead a story for the children to prick their hair or an old faint galaxy that might not even seem to be there if you appear a bit whitish and or a bit see through, it's likely you'll be described in terms of the things that say, boo topic for the day is ghosts we're going all in on the most scientific topic. Sarry. What is it ghost? So in folklore, a ghost is the soul or spirit or some manifestation of someone or something that has died I feel like I've seen animal ghosts in stories in media but not plant ghosts so Online there where like dog can be a ghost but your pet fern can't they usually. Creepy about them they're pretentious there. They foretell evil events perhaps guard some kind of secret. I have. unfinished. Business. They could just be extra dimensional. You know people. Up against the the boundaries of their universe in our universe possum right bats are. That's Honestly. What's likely thing if they were real that that's what they would be. To bring it back to science, and maybe the things that we're gonNA, talk about. So there is. The paranormal ish pseudoscience of ghost hunting and things like that, which we will at least touch on in the ask the science couch section but also humans described pretty much anything white or Pale or translucent in nature as a ghost. So it's like a plant that doesn't have chlorophyll and it's white and they're like ghost plant or an animal that's kind of translucent because of the environment that it lives in. So a lot of cave dwelling animals are are kind of weird looking to us, and so we're like ghost fish to look etymological ghost I did it seems to be. Pretty. Much consistent throughout time it's from German. And Dutch de st- and Middle Dutch geest with an H. And they all mean like spirit or ghost and are calculated to back from a Proto Indo European root gas which is used informing words involving excitement or amazement or fear. It's like a combination of spirit things and amazement, and now it is time for through. One of our panelists has prepared three science facts with which to torment dust but only one of them is real. The other three panelists have to figure out other better actioner wild guess, which is the true fact if they do they get Osama buck. If they are tricked, the fact presenter gets a Sam Buck you can play along at twitter dot com slash Sasho tangents where we've put up a survey so that you can tell us what you think. Is the true fact, and now serious time for your facts tell me about them in folklore from around the world people have described floating lights above rivers or bogs as spirits that are hailing wanders or trying to lure them to their doom, and they have many names depending on the stories told about them. They're called things like willow, the wisps or Toyota or maybe and so on. But among the ghostly myths are scientific hypotheses and one of these hypotheses. Came from a science experiment conducted by George Washington when he was still general and based in rocking his you Jersey in the US and Thomas Paine who is known for writing political pamphlets in support of the American revolution in November seventeen eighty three some people and it seems like mostly New Jersey like to say it's the first scientific experiment in the newly formed you say so what did they do to test a natural explanation for these ghostly lights? To number one Washington had some men captured lots of different animals and release them at a distance while Washington Payne stood on the banks of the river about one hundred meters away they discover that animals like barn owls which have white reflective faces and clusters. The firefly's obscured by some brush seemed spontaneously glow like descriptions of the will of the whisk, and of course, they couldn't see other animals like foxes are frogs, chickens that got released into the forest. Number two they took a boat out and stirred up the mud at the bottom of a river with a stick while holding a lit torch just about the surface, the stirring released gases that burst into flame with the heat. Source. Showing that small amounts of these gases could potentially cause the glowing willow the wyss if they got ignited by something. Or not three. They splashed water on trees and racks to Mimic, freezing, rain or snow or frost, and create naturally reflective surfaces after many nights of this and going out with lanterns, they found that some arrangements of icy objects would reflect the light in such a way that there seemed to be a ghostly glowing from the distance. Inadvertently, they had recruited a natural form of pepper's ghost illusion. So are three potential facts are one they captured and released animals to see if they glowed from a distance to they used a stick in a torch and search for trapped gas at the bottom of the lake, which then ignited upon being released or three. They splashed water on trees and bushes to create reflective patterns at turned into a basic form of cool ghost illusion. What is the pepper's ghost illusion? Will you? Tell me Yeah. So it's a in non super physics terms. It is a way that stage plays got a ghostly apparition on new the stage by using a trick of light and mirrors and a glass sheet essential. You can look up diagrams of it. I don't WanNa get into too many specifics but you ever been the haunted mansion. You're you're you're when you're in the room where all the ghosts are dancing. that's a big pepper's ghost because it's recreated underneath you and then reflected as like a ghostly image in front of you and there's a big sheet of glass at you're looking through that year like captures the image somehow Gotcha Gotcha. Well, I know that will the worst. As far as I. Know are like swamp gas created but I don't know the George Washington figure that out. That's also like the classic like government agents tell you that that whatever. was swamp gas of the government guy was the guy who was like. Gas this will come in handy. Not, ghosts the US government has covered that there are no go the original conspiracy. When did we learn about gases? Did we know that? We know about gas during the animals into the woods won that one seems to dopey for for him no. That seat that makes sense that's like the Noah's Ark Approach I. Agree I just it doesn't make sense to me this seems like exactly the kind of thing that like some enlightenment guys feel like, Hey, we can figure out what? Sorry let's just they must be the animals. Release a bunch of animals who can watch the chicken and. There's going to be the thing that. Ns. GotTa find out a swamp Hagen though the sport the splashing water on the trees does seem like something Siri would make up. Don't know why but that fake I'm going to go at the swamp gas one I'm GonNa go with releasing bunch of fricken boxes and chickens would. I like I like that one to animals all. Right go vote at Sochaux Tangents, Dot Org, and then we find out come back. Listen. Who what series about to tell us? What is the true fact? The true fact is the swamp gas on. George. Washington figura willow the wisps and I didn't know that I was surprised that I didn't know it either and like a bunch of blogs we're talking about like Oh. Yeah. I learned about this in elementary school I I didn't grow up in New Jersey but yeah, there were these myths about flaming water and willow lists and they just kind of went out to the creek nearby and Washington and other people thought that the water caught fire or something near the water caught fire because of bituminous. Matter and no, they just like stirred it around to try to knock up whatever this matter is that caught on fire they had no idea it was methane gas like it was nothing and we can see this another lakes, this bacteria, the bottom that generated. There is a reenactment on some anniversary like a few years ago where a bunch of people dressed in revolutionary war garb went out to a river and had a torch and like there's a picture of them next to some fire work. Yeah works. They stirred up the methane at the bottom of the river. Why did he care? Why did he need to figure this out? Thomas? Paine came to visit. And they were talking about it and he was like, I don't know I. Guess we can try it. Wow. They were just a couple of guys being dudes. And they were definitely drunk. I imagine. How safe is this and can I duplicate the experiment probably like medium safe not the most dangerous thing you could do well, anytime you're in a in a boat, you're outside of shrew safety. Youtube videos of people doing it mostly scientists we just like knock a hole in the ice of A. Lake where you know there's Mathon genyk bacteria stir up a little bit and then have fire over it. You'd probably want to have some distance between you and the gas, but it's not like you would catch fire like the methane ignites. So quickly that it's kind of like a burst of fire what ignites the willow, the wisp like I see like methane bubbles up like why does it catch on fire? We think it's methane in combination with other swamp gases, and that's the key to it. Respond combust basically so. There's a gas called phosphene and when it reacts with oxygen, it forms phosphoric acid and that is an exothermic reaction to my understanding that produces enough heat for it to ignite. So it can spontaneously combust because there's like chemistry going on in the air. So in just like the microbes are producing a cocktail of gases, basically some of which can produce a little bit of heat which can then ignite the more flammable gases. So is there any truth to the obviously very fake throwing in the woods? No, like I made it. With the no was. Hesitant in the know was some people have clear is that like there's probably bioluminescence at play in what some people think are willow the WISP. They don't appear as spontaneously and if you like point out a firefly than people are like, no, that's not the glowing ghost that I saw. Plausible but they didn't go and throw animals into the woods I just refund was the watery the the splashing water entries in Bush's just a like a natural explanation for peppers ghosts that he thought up. Yeah. I just made it up to and I read a lot about pepper's ghost delusions because they're cool next up, we shout crawl into our coffins short nap and then the fact off. saw. This year has turned out very differently than many athletes thought it would since the season is canceled, they don't feel as though they they're obligated. Salary what am I GONNA do now? Wasn't doing football football. I mean sale host of the podcast death sex mom in our new series game changer, we're talking to three athletes about how the end DEMOC has upended their lives and livelihoods listen wherever you get your podcasts. A. Bag. Everybody. SAMBUC totals I have nothing Sarah has to Sam has one and Stephan has one but it's time for salmon me to attempt to get some points because we are going to compete. In the fact off we've each brought a science fact to present to the others in an attempt to scare their pants off the present of a science book to award the fact that they like the most and we're gonNA decide who goes first to the Trivia. Question. The question is according to a two thousand nine survey by the Pew Research Center what percentage of Americans report having seen or been in the presence of ghost amount of say like sixty and just something of noxious Lee high like that. I'M GONNA say seventy, three WHOA I now I want I feel like I should have gone higher. Oh, interesting is eighteen percent. Much lower than I was expecting but I guess the difference between like people who like believe and goes versus like who have reported seeing one I've seen three ghosts and I don't believe in. Act Right here both so wrong hand goes closer. All right. You Guys WanNa tell you about a spine tingling tale of that feeling you get when somebody is in the room with you but then you turn around and they're not there because that's the thing that people get and it's it's even a thing. It has a name, it's called a feeling of presence and. It's the thing that researchers have studied because it is more common in patients with epilepsy or other conditions that have lesions on three specific different regions of the brain. I would tell you what they are but like who knows what the difference between these different CORTEX I don't. So the but the the region's we're discussing here, combine internal and external signals to help us. Understand our own positioning in space. So the researchers hypothesized that feeling of presence is our body mixing up these signals, the internal and external signals that are giving us a like an understanding of where we are. So they decided that they wanted to test that and to do it, they turned to a robot, a a ghost robot if you will. So the researchers got. A bunch of participants they were not told the goal of the experiment or what they were trying to do. They were blindfolded and they place their index finger on a robot arm in front of them, and they could move their hand around which would move the robot arm and as the robot moved around, it sent a signal to a robot that was behind them. And that robot behind them would touch their back and so if the if they move their head from side to side, you would feel the robot arm sliding across your back and like it was just as you moved your arm, the robot arm moved behind you. The sensation was that you are moving thing and you're basically touching your own back and there was no feeling of presence. But if you introduce a delay between when you move the lever and when the thing moves across your back. They suddenly started to feel uncomfortable and creepy and several subjects described feeling a presence behind them even though they knew that they were doing this to themselves basically, two of the subjects became so uncomfortable, they asked for the experiment to stop in another experiment the blindfolded participants were asked to estimate how many people were close to them throughout the experiment and the people who experienced delayed touch thought they were more people around than the people who did not experience the delayed touch. So the they think that the delayed feedback, there's this disconnect between what your brain thinks is going to happen and when it happens. So in this case when the brain thinks that the tactile feedback should happen at the. Same time it needs to reconcile the mismatch like invents a person even though you know what's happening, your brain invents this person and they are able to induce feeling of presence. This was not just to freak people out. It was also to help understand how hallucinations and sensory motor mismatches that happen with schizophrenia occur but it is a induction of a kind of nation really easily and effectively and makes me it makes me want to do it so that I can see because I feel like this. There's no way to understand what the cessation is actually like unless you do it, I don't know I'd be curious to know if you like told people to really think about the fact that. They were poking themselves and like told them to focus on that, and if your brain was processing that as an idea, if you'd still feel this were if it's just like you're not thinking about anything and then without little delay, you're not really sure what's happening and you're not putting the pieces together right away and then your brain is like weird things weird things I I think they that they basically new I think that the participants knew that like the patterns that they were tracing were their own input this the sensation it appeared from what I was reading the sensation occurs whether you know you're doing it or not. It is just like a thing that your brain does but I don't know like I feel like I need to do it I need to get one of these robots touch my back at this up. WHO's decks me? So thank yous. The only scientific study relating to go on the entire Internet so Haven't make up my own ghost story face on something mildly related to go. So bear with me. So ghosts unfortunately aerial. Probably they might. Ha- visit people night am for telling death and harboring secrets in the human world at least but fish in some lakes are visited at night by transparent beings with a malevolent presence and these beings also hold the key to a deadly mystery Solo Fish Ghost story for Ya. Anne one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven researchers at the University of Regina were steadying mercury levels in fish in the lake and schedule on some mercury. Pollution is a byproduct of gold mining and when it gets into the water micro-organisms like different plankton and stuff, eat it and then the things that he does microorganisms gets the mercury and their muscles and stuff, and then people can eat those fish in get the mercury inside them, which is a. Big problem or can be a big problem. So anyway, the scientists take samples of fish from lakes to get an idea of the mercury contamination in like a body of water or kind of an area in general. So that's what the University of Regina researchers were doing when they notice something weird fish that were caught at night almost twice the levels of mercury than fish that were caught during the day and at the time in. Nineteen ninety-seven. The researchers didn't ever figure out why that was happening. Oh, a Louis read what I wrote. The researchers couldn't figure out the answer to this spooky night mystery flash forward to twenty twenty this year when another researcher at the University of Regina was looking at the research and the lake and a different organism in the lake besides fish ghost fleas. So they're one point five centimeter long one eyed zooplankton and they're basically completely see through and. They only travel up from the murky depths of the lake at night. So during the day, they live in the money lake bed and the other plankton and they basically like eat things and swim around in stuff that is full of mercury. So they suck in all the mercury that managed to get all the way to the bottom of the lake. Then at night they rise from the Muddy Depp's and get eaten by fish that are active. And that leads to what this person discovered the way higher mercury content in those fish. So then since then I think this phenomenon has been found in other lakes across. North America where there are ghost fleas and ecological researchers think that this is like totally huge missed thing that will like redefine how much mercury we're finding in environments just because we did never think to look at this before. So there you go as close to a ghost story as exist in real life, a deadly mystery solved at night by transparent crappies rising from the ground. Fish poop like. Mercury inbounding. No I think they were just different sets of fish like there's night fish and there's day fish 'cause the fish can't see. So you can't see well at night. So they don't go out eating these things and I guess go to bed or something I don't know a fish do but then there's More active hunters I, and they were eating the the only nighttime ghost lice. A should I never eat ghost fleas or just these specific. If you raised your own in a clean environment, you could probably probably eat them because one point five centimeters. That's big enough for you to to have snack right might be a little too big honest leak of FRY THEM A-. So we've got my fact where a robot can induce the feeling of it outside present, spiced replicating and delaying a person's on movement or SAM's FAC where goes fleas have helped researchers figure out that nocturnal fishing Canadian lake had higher mercury levels because of the the way that the mercury settles down on the lake three to one am wow, shocked. Mine wasn't even about ghosts at all. It like such a good ghost story so I wanted to give you like. A for effort and are actually called go sleazy didn't just that. Well, it's time to ask the science couch and gus listener questions for our crypt finally own. mind. Dead this is from questionable Kens, what is an F. reader actually four and what is it supposed to do with ghosts? Also, we got another one from at a list Myers who said, when did we start associated electromagnetism with ghosts and y? Who decided ghosts are magnets? I think like the thing mandatory him like electromagnetic fields like it's weird right? You know and same COMPASSI are correct took it doesn't make it doesn't make an immediate sense that there is this like weird other force deep in my soul I'm like gravity that makes sense because it's I've experienced the whole time. electromagnetism Mike it happens in weird places where I'm not looking and don't understand whereas my body experiences gravity it does not experience electromagnetism. So I think it's just like it's Kinda spooky all the forces except gravity are Spooky Oh and the only and the strong and weak force like you do actually never experience. So this is just like the one force that like is like tangible like we can. It's really easy to see it moving around but also like not something that we directly experience our whole lives with our bodies and so it's a spooky force. So it makes sense to me that goes people are like, let's look at the spooky force and then they could be like look spooky thing happened with a my dial. To me. That's all there is to it as like I can measure thing that's not visible and that means I can correlate it with some other thing. Is it more likely that there will be like rampant electromagnetic fields in like an abandoned building verses like my house? Probably not I don't know why there would be electromagnetic fields anywhere. There, in a lot of places, electromagnetic field readers measure alternating current specifically, and they are supposed to be used for finding radiation from like household appliances that shouldn't be admitting them though like a broken power line or like a cable that is. For some reason like spewing photons into the into the air instead, and so I think if there's a broken down house with electricity still running to it, then it'll probably have more sources of electromagnetic fields than like a perfectly in repair house but the difference is pretty minor and some of them, the models that are most popular in Ghost hunting are some of the worst emf readers out. So like you have to wave it around and they can be set off by even like normally functioning. TV's or microwaves are things like that because any pretty much any electronic device can give off electro-magnetic waves and that is possibly why it became part of Ghost Hunting Lor to like in addition to it being something we can't see if something that is also pretty. Abundant around us. So if you're trying to look for it and you're trying to look for an unseen thing and you're trying to say that ghosts are everywhere around us than you can look for something that will be around us a lot I didn't want to dig into the wire ghost might not too much. But is a guy who sells scientific in quotes paranormal kits. He says that energy fields have some definite connection to the presence of ghosts and the exact nature of that connection is a mystery. So basically, he wants you to buy his bed and doesn't have an explanation for why energy is connect like electromagnetic energy specifically is connected to ghost. We didn't have an explanation for a lot of things for a long time. And then we did so. That's Great Sam missiles for science by. If. You want to ask a question to the science. Crypt, you can follow us on twitter at show tangents. We'll tweet up topics for upcoming episodes every week. Thank you to, at Andrews Zero at El Phoenix nine and everybody else who tweeted us your questions this episode final scores. Sammer tied for first and Hank and Stephan. We came in last with one and that means that Siri is now in the league sixty eight points. Clone point ahead of Seven and seven seven points ahead of me. In there somewhere too I could still kept saying it probably will because you're much smarter than me. First of all, I don't believe that's true. Second, this game does not test how people are. Okay. If you like the show and you want to help us out. It's easier to do that. You can leave us a review wherever you listen. It helps us know what you like about the show and maybe somebody somewhere we'll see it and be like I want to listen to that. That sounds great second you tweet your favorite moment from the episode and finally if you want to pursue tangents just Josh attention to the CO production of complexly and a wonderful team at WNYC studios. It's greeted by all of us and produced by Caitlin Hofmeister Sam Schultz who also edits a lot of these episodes along with Shema our social media organizers, Pella Garcia Burrito our editorial assistant is to book truck. Verdy are sound design is by Joseph Tuna. And we could make any of this with other patrons on Patriots. Thank you and remember mind is not a coffin to be filled, but a jackal enter to be lighted. But one more thing. So, there's a dog in the Amazon that is so elusive that it is called the ghost dog. They're also known as the short eared dogs and they're hard to find because they're shy and tend to hunt alone or in very small groups. So researchers turned to whatever they could find to learn more including sifting through the dogs poop to figure out their diet but one researcher ended up with an opportunity to work with a ghost dog close and realized the other secret to their elusive nature tiny testicles. It turned out that the dogs didn't reach sexual maturity until they were three years old. Dogs produce about a year old and then probably makes survival a bit tougher since more of them die before they're able to reproduce guest testicles are pretty close physically to butts. So sure they were looking through the poop because they were so ghostly, they had to like find droppings. But then the extra fun fact is that they have small ears than small balls. An extra.
'We've Lost Everything': California Wildfire Takes The Home Of A Veteran Firefighter
"Devastation in California from deadly wildfires is historic so far this year thousands of wildfires have devoured more than a million and a half acres an area more than three times larger than Los Angeles where I am the Lmu lightning complex fire is now the second largest in the state's history and the flames did not spare Andy Stan Dana's home. He's a twenty three year veteran with the South San Francisco Fire Department. He spent decades saving other people's homes A-. Lost everything as he put it less Wednesday, his farm, his home, many of his animals but he and his wife are safe and he and his wife Sarah Hawkins join me on the line from winters California about an hour northeast of San Francisco. Thank you both for taking some time for us. I can't imagine what you've been through. Thank you for having us. Anti I WANNA start with you, I mean as I said, you've been a firefighter for twenty three years your own property now, hard hit by this fire just talk to me about this fire if you've ever battled anything like. I have not in not many people can say that they've battled in fires or been in fires or experience fires. Of such size and magnitude and at the speed that this move. Seemed unprecedented will yeah I mean talked to any Andy you at home asleep and off-duty when when it came your property and can you take me to the moment when you realize that it was this out of control? We actually received multiple phone calls back to back from our neighbor than they lost everything also, but they called US woke up and said Hey. We've been giving notification from their son who is a local firefighter that it's bad. Up I went outside and did a quick assessment of what I could see and I could see The Ridge linked to behind us. All aglow and we're talking miles and miles of miles from my right to my left as I looked out the back door I hurried in and woke up Sarah. We quickly got dressed through a few things in bags. Made sure we had identification with us in a little bit of money in made sure the cars were pointed out I then went out to kind of assess what was going on based on my training and years of service saying what am I seeing and I've never seen a fire front of that size coming towards off sweep had fires back there in the past than it seemed like everything changed the winds picked up it turned ninety degrees on US instead of coming out of the West that came out of the north. and. The Sarah had joined me to kind of just see what was going on and by that time we turned around and realize there is a flaming front coming behind us. From our north and it was going to flank our exit we ran for the cars and we got out of there with flames. Close enough that I had to get in on the passenger side of the truck instead of the driver's side because it was too much fire on that side of the car to get in and we. Got Out it just came so quick. Well. I'm so. Relieved that you tour safe? Sarah what. was going through your mind I mean, did you feel like you were going to get out of there somehow? Lows pure adrenaline when we had gone out to assess where the flames were coming from where the fire was coming and all of a sudden just hear this roar from the North was kind of shocking that it was coming so fast and the flames were as high as they were they should not have been that high. And it was like we gotta go and I ran in the house and grabbed the dog and just I had to literally throw her into the car because she was so panicked at the flames and just. Get Out. Have you been able to assess what you've lost in what condition the properties in. We've lost everything. But our barn Oliver farming equipment, our greenhouse, the house, the house is just. A six inch layer of crumbled drywall and shattered tile. And We lost all of our Jeanne you're. does that we were retaining the GO-TO you're talking about him in Europe prize? Breeders? Should say. What are those goats mean to you? Have worked really hard on my breeding program and every year we have babies and I bottle feed all of them so that they'll be friendly and I know all of them I know all their names I delivered all of them there. It's It's not just a place obviously Sarah this is your livelihood and your business already we were in a in a pandemic in a faltering economy I mean how have you even begun to think about how you move forward and what's next now? Just, barely spend an hour or two just looking through. Shirts at a donation place and like shoes and supplies. We don't. You know we have a couple of t shirts and we have a couple of pairs of shorts. There's so much to do. Just regarding the house burning down. and. Trying to figure out next steps because there's not really much of a handbook on. When you're houses burned down where the two of you know I take it you're safe now. Yeah. We're currently staying with a friend best friends people ask if we're safe and we're like, we are safe. Now you know we do have a place to stay for now, but we can't stay here for six months. India are you go back into to? Fight these fires again soon or are you going to get some time away to deal with? What's how might department? My Department was Gracious. Enough to. Extend, as much time as I needed I I was able to take vacation for the immediate tour after it happened. But? Yes. I will be going back to work. Soon enough and will be there for the public as a protector in. Twenty years in the fire department another eight years before that on ambulances. So I've been serving the public for over thirty one years and continuing until. Retirement sometime in the near future. Andy. And Sarah Hawkins I'm I'm just glad you two are together and safe and You know we'll be thinking about you. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Sarah Whittle's (SMOSH)Big Game Show Fail... and Win?!
"And I am a banana. A. Could. PLOB- on three, one, two three. All right. We'll. We'll, see. That that'll. Earlier. Yeah I think it's because there's just a natural lag. It's endearing. That's my favorite podcast. You guys listening natural lag. Welcome to the valley cast guys today. We have a very special guest. Who is it who is on top of? Bump. Above. Yay. Sarah, how are you? I I am. She is. Described you, we can I say something we are. We, are Shero it'll. Are Sarah would. You guys didn't wear your nice lipstick like I asked you to. Sorry it. I'll eat it. It tastes good. It's like that waxy stuff that waxed. Bad for you. I didn't want it on my precious lips. Anyway so before we started recording though. Sarah Sarah was talking about. How do you WanNa talk about this? Can you talk about these? Are you allowed to talk about? See about like moving in the world in like running on the street. Comfortable mentioning you ate a Salad I. Realized, your body to find, said salad 'cause. You did say and I did write your Stan hold on I. wrote this down. You said you got post meets, and is that okay the talk about? Guys I, actually when I opened up my notes, I had a note in here and I WanNa know what you guys think. I WANNA start. A Goth Band called Golf Perot. I don't think I get it. On the PODCAST everybody. When were the notes? What are these like from? Years ago. No, it was last night. A Goth Perot. Perot Yeah Yeah. That's that's Nice Steve Yes. Thank you thank you Sarah, but anyway. No. The part I was wanting to talk about. Was You said that you've started a thing where you don't allow yourself to play animal crossing unless you have done something physical? Yeah, that well. That was okay so i. had this salt like a week ago? Animal Crossing extremely boring. But. I have a sugar Mama, and so she's giving money and like furniture, and it is a blast. Your? Life. I have sugar. And Sugar Mama I gotTa Sugar Mama. In animal crossing, it changed the Game Steve Watson looked like Valentine's Day card right now. Looks to so king. Really I've been trying to to calibrate this new Webcam. And It's not quite working right. House! Low Perfect. A night like this. Hanging out in the alley by the back. Yard to go to YouTube. Dot Com Slash Valley cast to see those visual jokes on this podcast. Maybe the white balance has something to do with it well. You do that ladies John. We Got Sarah Whittle. She is from smash. She's kind of like a I'm a call you a utility lady over there. She's like a janitor. You've done so much well. Utility man in S- in baseball terms means you play every position, and you've kind of been doing that over there, but what are you? What are you officially right now? Right, now I have turned Irvan scripted so I we have a wonderful and extremely talented team over there, so I oversee all unscripted content, which is smush pins. Mosh Games held. Nice Damn. That's tight. Those yeah yeah did tie and I also. So, there's zero crossing. Sorry before we get back to animal crossing Sarah, do you like Kareem, the director of unscripted as much as you liked being a production internet hillside media from May two thousand eleven. Those, Are you. Know I just know you really well Sarah. And how would you compare how well I know you? When were a production assistant? Slash floor manager slash master control operators slash audio operator for Cagey wn CBS News, Channel Five, and are you part of the fake news complex, and is it okay to talk about Vix? Yeah, it's totally okay I. Listen I when I was sixteen years old I got a TV job. I got a TV production job at the what one? TV Station in town of to in the entire state of Wyoming. Wyoming. Case Yeah in Wyoming. Market four hundred fifty seven. And Yeah so I just walked in there with my little resume working I think. I had worked at like a hotel restaurant. At that point, it was like I. WanNa Work here and the guy was like okay, and I pretty much did every position other than on camera at that TV station Sir. I did that same job as an intern in college and I. That was the thing as a broadcast major that made one hundred percent. Sure that I would never ever do that fucking job again. Being in slow local media news station behind the scenes was hell. I hated it so much so much well, doing master control was horrible because my. Was Five am to two PM. Do I would do the morning news so I would do all the cameras for the morning news three camera. Jesus Christ like running. You run. You're running in between cameras and. They would do you know. Breaking stories like the slides are hot. How early did you have to wake up in the morning? I would wake up at like four am, and so then I would do. We would do the newscast, and then in between the newscast I had to watch all the morning television and cut in the local commercials at A. Time and TV stations in that room was super, dark, super cold, and I had to watch all the trash morning television. And had you met cloudy Oh? At this point I had not I met cloudy on La. This is when I was like young young lady. Did you fall in love there at the TVs? They were financially taking advantage of you. Oh well. The minimum wage in Wyoming at that time was five dollars and fifteen cents. So. There's nothing in the world I would do for an hour in return for five dollars. That's not. I don't care what it is even if it's enjoyable. Sarah! It's always a treat to have you on any Kinda. Valley folk thing because I think you and I and Joe and Elliott. We all got this groove, and I think you're you. You slide right into the groove. It's like you're hot wheels car, and you fit right on our track, and then we shoot you out of that little shoots. He thing and you do the loop de loops with us and all the sweet jumps. You're just a hot wheels car like the rest of US just how? But I will say. the first time we ever met because I'm obviously worked with Joe before I met, you is be and for the first time we met I. Think was at Deadpool Karaoke. was like the first time we all met in no way. Yeah, there was that. There was that weird place. That we that I think is where I met you. We're. Other. Member right? There was a place that was like in Santa. Monica or something like the Defy Bar, L. O. O. Barney's beanery. No, that was afterwards 'cause. I had your phone number at that time. I think that was. The first time really I must've may going to do smash stuff's. At the! Building. Welcome to. When did we meet Sarah you the music? Anyway. Story Yeah, whatever whatever the moral story is I feel like we all clicked. Instantly I felt like we were all best friends in another lifetime and I agree. It's a nice little group now. Nice, little, hot wheel. Screw because you know what that dead Karaoke was like. The first date took Alana on and I. Met you way before I was. Attempting to date Lana. Temptation. I tempt. It could have gone anywhere. She was in charge. Will listen this. This segues pretty well my topic. For, this particular episode of the Valley cast since we have established how we may or may not have met I would now like to get to know each other a little bit more. ooh! And therefore I have. Looked up all of our star meters IMDB. We're GONNA. Do some game here. Sarah Star meter on IMDB pro. Well? Let's. Let's start with you then? Steve's Air Goza your information here from the Internet movie database. What would you guess is your current star meter? How famous do you think you are I mean there's. Wine you get what is what is the starter starring? Sarah. Important metric by which any person can measure themselves specifically a. Basically, yeah, this is actually on most college entrance exams. Yeah, if you don't walk in with your star meter to that Wyoming. News station, they would have put you on camera and you had been reporting the news because it's currency With mine that way, you guys can have a idea of what these numbers are still, but so to base it now just so everybody has a little bit of context. It is a ranking of basically everybody who's got a name on Internet movie database is pretty much what it is. It ranks everybody if you have a credit, so if you're ranked and supposedly, if you're star, rank is high you the likelihood of you getting a job is is higher because then. You're probably being searched at that time, you might have done like some kind of like hot episode of China. I think it goes up based on the amount of work you do and the amount of times. Your name is being searched for correct. So it. Is it measuring how famous you are or how? It's it from what? To five impose. Increases include our listeners. This is incredibly stupid. and. Someone. Who has a poor eighty? Talking about. This is sanctioned. By officiating. Elliot. Created a fun idea and we're doing it, so it's not a ranking from one to five or five stars. It's literally a one to however many people are on ranking, so you either our number one or maybe you're the two millionth person that matters. person that means there's one point nine million people who are more famous than you. Really quickly just see. Like where someone Leonardo DiCaprio is. Star. Yet he's number four I'm guessing he's number four Leonardo DiCaprio's and it changes week by weeks, so he hasn't been doing. Confused Sarah. So late to CAPRA'S NUMBER FORTY NINE WHOA! in this month he's downstairs. We're fucked guy. No fucking Riverdale kids are just skyrocketing, aren't they? WHO's got a super high meter right now? Mind! Okay! Okay, okay. Let's do, can you? Can you let us know how what the last number is like what the most number is! WHAT LAST PLACES! No I'm not GONNA do that. I feel like that would be hurtful Elliott I think. I think you are the. One hundred, thirty, four, thousand, six, hundred and seventy third. Let's write that down. One three, four, six, seven three Joe I am one hundred and nine thousand four hundred. M Four. Not, far up I was a small city off. Yeah, you're really. That's really good I've never gonNA guess that. One. Hundred. Four, hundred eighty four. Which is this month? Apparently I'm up forty six thousand. Dog It, doesn't it? Doesn't it graph it like, can you? Can you find out when you were at your highest? Bring the funny was the highest. And what were you at that point? Something happened after bringing the funny where. All are crafts. They didn't bring back a second season steerable. Guys Lady Lady Gaga how. Six thousand. What did I do this month? You had some great tweets. Some good stuff. Maybe. There was a killer named Elliott Morgan somewhere they were searching for. My God. I'm proud of you. I didn't think it was GONNA be that. We'll Sarah. You know who else is a star, you What do you guys do to non? Steve Sarah Sarah you got that smashed juice, girl, and I know I know you smash links or updating that. Internet movie database credits list whenever you can. They're obsessed over there those. Being the system actually I don't think I get credited actually Elliot I was GonNa say you went up forty nine thousand because I. Think you recently updated your credit, so they were like he's back. Like three months ago, maybe though it might have been that or have bought that visit my page all the time. Elliott is one Sarah I think you're I'm GonNa stay right as within the same range I'm going for one twenty-one seven to four. Holy Shit. Joe. Sarah's star. What did you sent one, twenty, one, seventeen four? Joe Her star meter is one twenty, one, eight, seven, seven. The actual retail price of your showcase is twenty, eight, thousand, five sixteen. Six. Looks. Joe! Does it creep you out the Joe. Exactly how famous you! Do all of US I. Don't know I don't know. I don't even WanNa. Guess Good. Man I won. The. Money Dan. Wait you wait? I'm going to update my shit and nominal jumped fifty K.. I'll be working. Next is you look kidding me? Never never I'm never gonNA. Let it happen. Does it say if she's up by anything? What does it because you know how it says like how up you are this week or For who. Did, I drop or did I increase well. Let's go ahead and just check out the data. Why don't we check out the date? Ask is what's Sarah's peak. Is that when she worked for e? Sarah's peak was her most recent. What. It was when I was twenty three. Every woman's peak is. At least is February twenty twenty, so. which is your birthday according year with the PD which I also have opened on another tap. Two thousand this month. Sir Oh! To Sarah What did you? Know forty thousand good luck. At least double that. All Right Steve Joe. Do you WanNa? Take a stab at Steve's just trying to go, Elliot. What was yours was yours? One, nine. All right so Steve's been doing a lot of like side podcast, but so of you Elliott. It's probably pretty similar. It's not something tells me. This number is gonNa keep me up tonight. I. I think Steve is one zero, three, four, five two. Steve Do. You have a guest. Sarah, do you have I guess? I JUST WANNA go at Joe's I'll go three as law all right Steve Zaragoza. You are the one hundred twenty six five hundred twentieth most famous person. His Star Half Selah. That is that is a higher number than Sarah. It is a higher number than myself, but we don't know Joe's yet. We don't know what Joe's yet way way Elliot. What were you one oh nine? Yeah, Elliott's the most famous nine, one twenty six. And what did I say for twenty, one one of nine, one, twenty two? I can't believe you got that close. That's crazy. That's so crazy. That's like one of those. Close, you know we're, we're similar. You know that's one of those prices. Right moments that I just had wasted it I fucking you get like three of those in your life where you just guess perfectly and waste. Prices Right. I wouldn't a second. ooh, that's a fun. Let's talk about that next. After this topic, talk about with. We had a game show that we could be on which means we can talk about Sarah's experience, actually being on one, let's pick are game shows we want to be. Yet Sarah for the game show network. At least the digital front. They actually handled the Youtube, initiative and game of five actually did one thing that was twenty one challenges in a row or something like that, and she was utilized boast both as off camera help and I was coast on one of the shows. We didn't meet their. I might have been towards the end of. Because I think the beginning of it. Okay. I know that I've had some peaks in the past. And I'm not quite what it used to be now. Hold on, Joe Before you say anything Steve Sarah. What do we think? I'm just in a goal of sixty nine thousand. Nine I'm GonNa go, with. Thousand Oh. Yeah I'm going to get a little bit more provocative. One, hundred, forty, two, thousand, two, hundred, twenty five. Man I wish. We just knew exactly. Joe Congratulations. You are the eighty third thousand, eight, hundred thirty six most famous person. What did I do? Wow, I lauren crap, you guys. We are so famous that we still wouldn't be extras and Lord of the Rings Right. We wouldn't even fill in the cast. They would still be twenty movies made before they get to us. Yeah. Lena. The way they get that. You know they get handlings. WOW FAST! My girlfriend's just to make sure she's not more famous A. Wild, what a weird thing! That a lot of people probably really care about Oh yeah. It can be. That's the thing apparently it can. But to obsess over, it is like the Algorithm on Youtube. It's like can help, but who knows how to actually make it. Go Right. I mean imagine if like. I wonder if there's a back end for other industries like numbers that they can look at because everything is driven by data now, I. Wonder if like post meets, drivers can look up. Where their ranking falls amongst all post, mates drivers, they could be like well, we're. We're slowly getting closer to that. One Black Mirror at episode Yuppie salary. You rate. Oh yeah, rating, every the bryce Dallas Howard beer. And Cardio told me that there is supposed to be more black mirror episodes coming out, but during quarantine, even Black Mirror people were like. No, it's a little, too yeah. Exactly awesome. It's two people. Need this right now. It's too sad. Yeah, WHAT THE HELL! Well! Come on! Just give me some positive. Give us his. His reasoning was that because it feels like we're going to Black Mirror episode right now that people don't need to watch another episode. Cleverly to not have to make more black mirror what rocked up very human version of escapism where when things are going fine, we need content that makes us feel like the world is going to end. Get fucked up. You know it's like what a weird dichotomy within the human balance of the brain. I love. For joining us on this episode of Those been time. Thank you. bye-bye! Next. Out! Let's game shows. I think that's fun you had to choose. I will listen to Sarah's experience on her game show, and then we all get to choose. If what game show, you only get one. That you WANNA be on, you get the chance and I'm saying it could be for. Like you just WanNa be on it because you love it and you think it'd be a fun experience like fucking. Wipe Out! Or you actually think you would do well and win a crap ton of money. Well I was on Let's make a deal a couple years ago with Wayne Brady. Joyous! That wasn't experience, but I did make Wayne Brady like chuckle and that was like. Like! Best experience because I'm a huge Wayne Brady Fan I think he's just incredibly talented. And so I had accidentally roasted his not accidentally. I roasted his producer like onset while Wayne Brady was talking to me, and he like did a little Hoffman chuckled, and so it was great and fun. Oh, that was a weird experience. Yeah, he did like. Oh, that's. Serious. Gentleman breaking. News Wayne Brady is on the podcast with us right now. Listen to that class. I think so yeah. It was a weird experience. We would cloudy and I dress up as honeymooners. Because we were engaged at the time and we were told to be very cheery and positive and energetic. And after three showers of waiting, it was exhausting, so you basically get shuffled from room to room to room. You get interviewed really quickly by a producer. And then they put you on a bus. And they take you to a studio where you are in a and then we're in the studio. And then they shot the episode in like thirty forty minutes, and they called me up and I lost immediately. What was the? What was the game car, so it was a car? It was a brand new. And super stoked because I. My car was at the time Bono. What a tease! No! So what I had to do is I just basically had to get this big die, and roll it down a slide and I think each round I had to go from like. All six numbers was okay, and then the next time I rolled. It was like only one through five I could roll if I rolled at six I was out, and then it went four three, two to the one and net so I rolled the first time around obviously, I did loose I roll like a five or something, and they're like five hundred dollars, or you can keep rolling and I was like I'm GonNa Keep Rolling? My chances are very good next round, so I had to roll a one through five. And what did I roll six walking six? At home and You. Know I think got like one hundred dollars. A Cell Yeah And then you're sitting Wayne. Brady Law and your star meter jumped that day, so that's real cool. Yeah, I haven't right. Here's their. Read off the day. Actually Stop February twenty twenty is when the episode aired no way that would be. A makes sense. I was literally like two days after my birthday and everyone was like. Are you on TV right now? What. Yeah? Well Yeah, you can't be haunted. By complete chance like there was no skill, you just said wrestle role again. There's no like looking back on that you. Everybody or anybody else would have done in that position. Exactly like the odds were in my favor and God was like no. You're not gonNA keep going. God says. Now maybe if you've got in, that car got new a bad wreck or something. Yeah, yeah, who knows and also I found a wonderful car like three months later, that was on a super good deal, and it was a brand new car, so. The Lord Provides Sarah. You'll headphones. Provide what's. Where's your data on that Elliott? On what the Lord provides! Can you check the data? What's the day? Has won the Lord Star. Yes please house God doing. This just says Gilbert Godfrey. Are we higher than Gilbert. Godfrey right now or is he kids again us. There's no way we're higher than Gilbert Godfrey right well. Who's searching for God pre? Gilbert Godfried is. One. Makes Sense. Now, he's number one. He's the most famous person. Yoga, he's number seven, thousand, two, hundred, twenty four. Seven. Oh Damn good very him. Could you guys how much? How much would you be? What none you put no money down, but like hey, let's play. The game named seven thousand people more famous than Gilbert Godfrey go. Oh. Joke around. God that's insane. We Know Gilbert Godfrey his name we. We could name many movies and things that he's done, and we could maybe get up to five hundred people if we're lucky more famous and. That's crazy. I would recommend that guy. That guy in that movie everybody in that. BACHELORETTE! WHO's Angel Rubs? Steve What game show do you WANNA be on I've always wanted to be on double dare. I always wanted to be on double. Dare, it looks so fun, or what would you do? What would you do we'll. What would you do what what would you? Pay For college my roommate from College. She sometimes actress on that show Whoa really. Yeah and sometimes she's like in the in the. Show. That's legit. Yeah, wait! You guys are talking about two different shows. Steve's talking about the game show hosted by Marc Summers on Nickelodeon Sarah. You're talking about that weird show where they stage public events against. Then what did would you do? Yeah, you're talking about. Mark Summers has another show called. Would you do? Yeah we on Nickelodeon, that's what you're talking about. The twenty twenty sixty minutes specials that they do yeah. About. What happens racist? Also called. What would you do? Steve would do a great. Why. Funny! Funny, calling a game show. No, it's a game show. St Wants to be on that show where they do racism flash dances. leaving. There is done. Oh my God. They're so the opposite thing. Wow. I didn't know that there was another thing called. Version. It was like no, I don't know the one that you're talking about. It was like appease playhouse version of double dare. We're the wall has had like lorries that open and stuff like. There was a pie coaster where you like. The coaster and pied you in the face and stuff joe. Yeah and at the end somebody would say something really racist and find out what. Do Sarah Widows Roommate worked. Weeks Steve Even now because I. I was a kid I would agree with you. Double Dare was the shit, but like not your answer now. You don't want to be on the prizes suck. I just don't think I'd be very good at any of the other games. I think you'd be so good on. Wipe out I think you'll be. Or American gladiators. Hope, you're enjoying this podcast. 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Yeah, sign up for that one hundred bucks. Is that why I have no idea fear factor? I would never do fear factor, no fear factor. I was obsessed with fear factor I love. What a factor! I would never do jeopardy. Yeah, I looked at so dumb on jeopardy. ABS- We. Would all look like idiots? No. Right. One of my friends from high school. He was on jeopardy and he was very religious. And and do you remember that viral clip of like all the all the jeopardy? Contestants didn't know any of the football answers owes one of them. He's one. Football team. Or. Did he lose very badly? I, think he did well other than going completely viral because none of them knew. Is Does. Anybody know if there's a game a jeopardy game that is as hard as the actual jeopardy because I know that they have those ones. Where like you gotTA. Have kids play along, too? So the questions can't be as hard as the show. But if there was we've got to do it, we've got to play like as hearts you. That's funny jeopardy on expert level. You could try to apply for the show because my dad tried to apply for the show, and they basically do a quiz beforehand, and you only have fifteen seconds to answer the. Is it an NDA situation I wonder. Could we do it? I have no idea I'll a friend who went my daddy for years for years and years like in, and she could probably give us secrets and stuff whichever on some point. By secret steamy answer's Yes. Elliot what game show not a reality show? Would you do? Dealer, no deal to reduce the the pressure of needing to like know anything. That's a good. It's the dice thing Alan worry about. Take a chance. Yeah, yeah, that was the dealer. No deal at David yes. Yeah I don't do good. I love it, I, Gotta Deal got one hundred, twenty, five grand and was able to buy a house damn. Shit that's so cool. His name is Ed and he works for ABC now. Check out his star meter. Let's find out what. it might be how you're on any of our. You're looking that up. I will say I always wanted to be on Press Your luck, but any more because that shows bullshit no way no whammy, no way Gameshow nerd I watched it all the time throwing rigged. Yeah just can't win too much, and it's also you know whatever prices right? I think there's always going to be a Muhart. Thing but again that's. That's all luck to you. Never know what you're going to play or whatever. new deal or. No, deal. Choice you did. You did the course on American Ninja. Warrior. You will I, don't think you were shown on the show, but you did the course a couple years ago. Yeah, that was really fun I would do that again if they invited me go for. You did really well. Do you never know. Your your body, the things that your body can do. You manipulate. Time, don't. This is. I don't understand how you're just. You're very strong and you're very agile. Those Claudio Alarms and the back. That's how I flirt with guys very agile. Can't believe what you do. What your body a trump lady! And then I got. I got a bit of wheel of fortune in my blood to I. Think I would love to do we look. Listen. I downloaded the APP. What had? Jeopardy wait what about Ed? We were waiting on edge. Star me somewhere in the range of over nine million so. We and I have one more question. Joe. Is that footage of the Ninja Warrior whatever wipeout or whatever yeah came? Right now. One sixty so powerful purpose built. So explosive yet smash as it. There's a video that's online right now. Game the heartbeat, the large antelope native to this continent, Australia, Africa or Asia Heart Beast five seconds weight with the heart. Asia. Asia Asia's. What Steve said. That's wrong, Africa. You're out, okay. Africa. Do One more just one more way, but you're not supposed to give us multiple choices. That's not whatever He. Wound Fun Yeah Yeah don't give us choices. We want category, The mid East or all numbers all numbers. Do. All numbers for two hundred daily Daba Roman. Something L. Dash L. This was how it was divided. What is lithium and La- LITHO grade fifty fifty. You Got Fifty. Two hundred points to job at all-star meters going up star meters going up number of the house where Susan Gordon in Libya live on sesame, street. It is easy, ABC, one two, three, one, two, three. I'm sorry, one one two three. Oh Shit didn't. Thank you. God damnit. The Electoral College one hundred thirty eight members, and you need at least this many of them to vote for you to win, too. Well! What is thirty seven? No, two, three, hundred, thirty, seven or something like that. Joe. Hundred seventy. But Hey Claudio I. See you back there. You'll know he's a little, told you. The alarms were going off. Let's replay that and put alarms over his head when he comes out. Opening. That's how he shows anger towards the shots and open. Room Door Sarah what would be your today's non reality show, but still a game show show that you'd play. Well I Wipeout would be fun, but I never would want to know what physical harm I could do, and also I would never want it broadcasted on television. So, What game show what I? The Mask Singer does that oh? That's great. We can't win if you're on the masked singer. Wondering Twenty One thousand famous person. Talk about her all. They're always like that sounds like Sarah Whittle. WanNa. Waste my guest this time, but. Maybe next time. I see Claudio in Joe's video to. Yeah I don't I don't know Yeah I. Don't think I- prices right would've been fun, but I think I'm not allowed to be on. game shows for next couple of years. Is that what happened? Yeah I like those dreams. you know. I always wanted to get in on the What was the one? They had a Disneyland where you could like. Play a fake version of it. I guess it was who wants to be a millionaire. Oh Yeah. Fun, I always wanted to do to Disneyland version because all you had to do is get in a little early and put your name in a thing. I never got chosen, but I would go to all the time. It was in California adventure. I would be. To do it but I try. I tried watching the new one. The host Jimmy Kimmel. He's with the. Why do they have celebrities? I think they're doing it for charity. And also they're desperate for ratings. You'll be my guess. It seems really dumb, though like I don't care about. By is not interesting to see celebrities. Yeah, and the lifelines are all we are now. I don't know whether there's also that Jack. Black Adam Scott or what is Adam Scott, different. WAS A. On the contestant on the Jack Black escape rooms show. Yeah, what's what's that? Is that a full series? Looks like it. You ever watch Awake. Now that that shows messed up. Yeah. That is this ain't have you seen that Sarah? Awake now, they you're awake. They put you in a room with eight other people and a barrel of quarters. You for twenty four hours count these quarters. And your head. And near head and you have to say. Thank you count it, and then you have to play a bunch of games. Like mental. Fuck? Guess in the people start being unable to talk and all the Games. You just need to take this needle and stick it through this relatively okay sized hole and you should be in their. Sign up for that million dollars and then the winner the winners I think it's a million dollars. Isn't it like? But you have to guess how many quarters you actually counted and what they are worth after the twenty four hours, and after all the Games, and if your guests is close enough yet, you would win. What if it was close enough? So it's the only games of ever seen where people get kicked off like. Thank God. I want you. Did you hear about this new love. Reality Show though. Labor of love. Yeah and the woman is just searching for the father of her baby. Could. She's like. Known and competing for a chance. Wound it's it's wonderful I. Love It. Accepts owed. It's a perfect like we're going down kind of. Is Like society isn't GonNa. Like its own another warning of like they're you know we see oh, I love it like love like as in you think it's like. Guilty pleasure watching or you're like this is a beautiful way for people to meet and create chill. The latter. No. Reality shows are meant to entertain. And I like watching just like extraordinary circumstances. So she is like in her mid thirties or or maybe even forty one. And so she's looking. She's forty one I. Think and she's looking for a man to be a father to her children and so. She's it's the Bachelorette. Basically, they're strangers. There strangers. It's the Bachelorette but an older woman, an older men dating and the first episode they do a cocktail hour, and they bring him out to trailers in. They're like okay. Boys fill up the COP and they did like a sperm cow competent. Watching it I might at some point I'm going to try to avoid that way where where? Where's this? Where is it on Fox? It's on Fox. Think Yeah Watch it on Hulu Nassir. Have you seen? Did you ever watch five guys in a house five minute house? I never did. I never watched. That's a good one. It's in the UK, but it's about. Five Bucks live in a house with a within the five separate dudes come and live in a house with the woman and then each day. She kicks another one out. And then at the end she gets a date, but it's. Wonderful to have. There's so many fun. Ridiculous reality shows okay. I'm GonNa Pitch to you, guys. You're done. Steve Go ahead. Say That I've I've gotten to the point where reality shows are obviously garbage like I realized their garbage, but now I'm watching them because I'm just I'm just into the concept of. It's just it is what it is you know it's. fucking. It's a show. Okay. I pitched to you all divorce island. Ten couples that want to get a divorce. No strings attached, but also WANNA. Find True Love. All are shipped off to an island. The rules are you can get into four station island, but the only way you can get a divorce if you marry somebody. That's the only Keok the islands. You have to get your at your divorce if you fall in love with somebody else on the. Stipulation is that you get a house you what you get you get you get to leave the island at that point. At of course there's the all get to leave a, but if you want to win, you get money package and a house that you have to live together for a year with your spouse, the fuck to leave divorce island. Would you guys watch divorce island this same thing going on dates and ship, but you don't get to sleep in the other. You have to sleep in your spouse because it's. It's God's law. God's rules, so you have to sleep with your spouse. You can't leave your marital bed. You should call this show God's law. Joe I love this idea. Just out of curiosity. Yeah, yeah, stop someone who wants a divorce from just being like. Yeah I'm in love with that person and just making it up the price package. It's got to be robust. It's gotTa be good, so that House that you get that. You have to live in for a year and there will be cameras in it, and we will document everything about your never relationship. You get to keep that house and it's a good house you know. It's just got a good price tag and you get it at the end, and then you guys can get divorced, and you can sell it, and you can split the cash, or whatever that's your problem. You go on another divorce island if you want, but the prize package has got to be good. That's how you able to do it. If what part of the prize package was, you're automatically cast in the next. Wait so pretty much ninety day fiance I have some questions. Yes, so do you go on the show? If you are thinking about getting a divorce, I mean you go on the show with a spouse. You guys are getting a divorce. Maybe the maybe the proceedings have been a little contentious up to this point. You can't agree on things whatever who's going to take the kids all that stuff kids don't matter on. so when you go to a lawyer, they're like okay. You have a couple of options you could go to you both get at your own lawyer. You can go to eighty eight, or or you can go on God's law, which is. Court, TV. Temptation Island. Of is black. Have, you guys. I talked about this and seen some stuff, but I haven't I. WanNa tour and all the episodes, but have you guys happen to watch any kid nation now? What does that is? Let's kill kid. Nation happened in two thousand seven. It was from CBS, and it was basically a survivor, but guess what for children. Is in the took like twenty seven kids and they let them live by themselves. Town! I got CBS all access and I was like I'm going to give. I'm no. They're going to put in there for sure scrubbed from everywhere, but they have one outhouse. and. For Twenty seven children, and then apparently, and this is all in the first episode, they they. Introduced money, and then they give some of the money and put some of them. They make some of them the fat cats. With workers, and then the kids start crying lor. Yeah, it's like Lord of the flies. Start Society, but your children. Yeah so my goal is to try to find all of those episodes. Soul much coming this fall, Andrew from producer Andrew. Yang universal income the television show. We'll see works. Does. It were by now. We put six families in A. Dome. Wow Wow. That's no no and my my old reality show gross period was like real real real world and real world versus road rules. Channels MTV. Reality Show kid I haven't really jumped into any of it. I mean I got way into reality because of Brie while I were dating, he was just like she was like. You have to appreciate. The good reality TV that exists and and she showed me. Hills his nation I want. To Watch, kid nation, no I watch the hills from beginning to end, and I will I will say I I mean whenever I talk about the hills I will always just say that is a brilliant fucking show. It's brilliant. The way that it works the way that they set it up the way the there's cameras that are like so far away with like crazy lenses to capture these kids having these like legitimate teenager young adult conversations. It's legitimate. I mean a lot of it was a lot of. It was like producers nudging them to do things here and there, but there were a lot of real conversations between these friends and stuff where you're like. They're capturing this moment in time between these two teenage kids, and it's such a window into the thought process of these like privileged kids lives. It's really brilliant the way the way it works. Steve have. You watched Selling sunset at all now. Apparently it's like an older hills and It's a bunch of very beautiful. Beverly Hills women who sell real estate for millions and millions of dollars, and the I tried watching it because I was going to be like we started is like the hills, but then I noticed that these women when they started talking like I. Couldn't I really couldn't listen to them? I couldn't hear them like I found myself looking around the TV. I couldn't get them in the eyes. Of the. Totally and it's kind of awful, but you should check that out because if you liked the hills. Apparently, it's very good if you started season one. Oh okay, I'll check it up, Elliott. You're like a really. Weird too familiar future, TV guide and has been programmed to have conversational flow with your user Hey Steve. Have you checked out, kid? Yeah. See! It's about these kids. To Watch next you guys get that that. If you like kidney! Sunset. It myself, but maybe it's for you if you're willing to try something new. Your star meter is around like a hundred and twenty six thousand might actually love so. That's so great. Yeah Mideast for six hundred. The name of this nomadic people is Arabic for desert dweller. The what dunes the Serbs or the DAKOTAS was? Jealous. Begins. Oh Dude. The Dune in my bathroom is a really dry. Those dunes. Yeah, my buddy at democracies star meter is. Nine, million, nine, hundred, eighty, one, thousand, fifty nine but I'm about back actually feels better I like that. The big number? Sarah, do you have a? I wanted to ask you today while we had you in before I. Plug in my computer. That's about to die Oh. Good Tiktok, are you in? You're in like one hundred percent on top right. You. Mean like I approve of it. It's great as as a platform that you like, and you indulge in you enjoy creating for you like watching, and you probably spend more time on Tiktok than other platforms now. I've also limited my Tiktok time, but that's because I divided up between Tiktok animal cross student. How do you stay so disciplined while you do that and? It I. I is her. Thirty now so. Can't do one thing for too long. I, think every social media platform has its pluses and minuses. But what I, what I enjoy about TIKTOK. Is that like? Apparently anyone can go viral. So, you know it's all about. They, they do a lot of algorithm things where something can just blow out. Blow out out up. Blow up out of nowhere. Like your penis, carpet song. but then I also. Mean didn't it didn't get the views when you put it up my smy stick song did very well. but I do really like how much you can edit in. Like to make an edited video is incredibly easy on that APP and I think if instagram ever got those kind of editing capabilities on their platform, they would officially take over, but I just do it to find out well. It's only it's my cats. Yeah I feel like it's only a matter of time before instagram just rips off. Take 'cause they kind of did that with snapchat. Nobody cared. And now it's better than snapchat. Nobody. Really use a snapchat anymore. But talks, it's ridiculously a dictator. Yeah, well, that's true. That's true. But It's ridiculously addicting. I'm I'm curious to. You said it yourself. You just get tired and you're like I can't do this anymore. You get to a point. My eyes hurt. I have to stop. Too Many I've watched, too. Many people like do this hip gyrating. Saying I feel weird. What's the now? How long does it take for that to happen? Every day is different. Five minutes sometimes, it's an hour and a half. Yeah, also paid I will tell you I hate. I hate okay so so there are these tropes on Tiktok that will get you famous instant. I've I've noticed. Do Tell what what are you talking about? A girl. Early. Shave shaver ahead. She if she shaves her head if she cuts her bangs horribly. If you tell your parents not joke in one parent last much louder right right. Like you instantly go viral because people much louder, the Ri- right. Like you instantly go viral because people are like Oh. This is cute, and then another one is one when people can hang out with each other. It was like me and me and my guy friend have been best friends for three years and I decided to kiss him to. Shot of them on the couch. We should do that. Weird it out the private moment I. Don't like that I. Mean but how many of those are? Way You WANNA. Watch let's be you're also the person that's like you love reality shows that are like put a baby in me. Yeah, but at least they're like adults. Like signing of release, and it's like a an official production I think it's weird when you you and your friend. No matter. It's true weirder if they're younger. Themselves yeah a lot of times. Private moment members up to tone so Sarah. Are Regulated Oh. Wait a second. I'm Sarah actually live. We didn't tell you. Oh, you're star meter just plummet.
#246: Losing Your Patience? Here's How to Get it Back
"From ABC this is the ten percent. Happier podcast Dan all right. Let's do one item of business before we jump into the episode. We SPEND HALF OF OUR WAKING. Lives at work actually. Now we're spending basically our whole waking lives many of us at work because our home is also now our work given all of that. Could you and your colleagues us a bit more focused in clarity with a little meditation help? Everybody get along better whether it's in person or over zoom we are now offering team subscriptions to the ten percent happier apps if you run a business or if you're the head of people or HR At a business and you WANNA buy a bunch of subscriptions something that people have been asking for for a long time. And we haven't been able to do. We can now do so. Come to ten percents dot com slash work ten percent dot com slash work and learn much. More all right. Let's get into this week's episode. This pandemic has been a colossal test of our patients from dealing with family to interminably long. Wait Times on calls with the unemployment office to just wanting this whole nightmare to evaporate so we can go back the movies today. We've got a special two part episode. In the first part we bring a pair of researchers who study patients the good news. Here's they've found. That patients is a quality that we can train and develop through meditation and a whole bunch of other strategies including cognitive reappraisal transcendence or just learning how to fake it until you make it side note in our conversation with these researchers we also fall into interesting chat about the benefits of defensive pessimism strategic optimism after the researchers that we bring on legendary Meditation Teacher. Sharon Salzberg for deeper dive into how to use meditation specifically to increase our patients especially when it comes to interpersonal stuff. Which let's be honest includes other people and ourselves. So let's start with our experts. Dr Sarah Schnittger from the psychology and Neuroscience Department at Baylor University and Dr Cate Sweeney from the Psychology Department at the University of California at Riverside. Here we go all right. Thank you both for joining us to be here. Thanks thank you really appreciate it. Kate let me pick on you first. Can you just describe how you became interested in the subject of patients in your research has shown you? Yeah so I'm a social psychologist by training. Which basically means I study. You know how people live their daily lives. Adults normative adults and when I started graduate school I was studying. Essentially the benefits of pessimism so the ways in which racing for the worst. When you're waiting for some kind of news can be really beneficial for protect you from disappointment and so forth later on that research expanded out and so now I kind of study waiting and uncertainty more generally and of course the best version of that is patients. So that's kind of an I got connected who will meet shortly and so when I think about uncertainty and waiting I'm really thinking about the situational press so the fact that that's a really stressful experience for most people and I think a little bit less about the ways in which certain people might more patiently handle that than others. Then what we've confirmed is that yeah. It's really hard. Periods of uncertainty are really challenging very stressful very difficult to cope with and we have certainly identified ways that people can cope better. Which I'm sure we'll talk about at some point down the line here but essentially started small got bigger and now we've just been trying to hunt down good ways of coping with these experiences so you've looked at just according to your bio here. You've looked at law graduates awaiting news about the bar exam and then patients awaiting biopsy results. So yeah a lot of uncertainty and fear in both of those situations. Yeah absolutely. We've also looked at lots of other context voters waiting for election results. We've looked at the last few major elections in the US and lots of other kinds of professional and academic and health waiting periods. But certainly those are two of the ones that are the biggest and you know people ask me a lot like does it matter if you're waiting for life or death news versus finding out whether you pass the bar exam and I have to tell you the people waiting for bar exam news. Look just as freaked out as people waiting by results so I think life and death is often in the eye of the beholder with these situations and by what measure did they look justice. Forget what are the metric. Somebody is yes the mostly we just ask people. It would be ideal in mind reading where we could really tell like in reality. How worried are they? But for the most part we just kind of trust people that they know when they're worried they know in their stress and so he actually measuring lots of different ways to try to make sure that. We're not getting kind of idiosyncratic answers on a particular measure but it includes things like worry like repetitive thoughts are obsessing about the uncertainty general emotional state symptoms of ill health for sleep so lots of different markers of poor wellbeing moments. Okay Sarah let me pick anew now for second so can you? Just tell me a little bit about your background. How you came to this issue and described the research you've done. Yes definitely so like Kate. I am also trained in social psychology but also focus on understanding personality a bit more and trying to figure out how we each as individuals are different from others and what goes into making a person and so when I began Grad School. I was really interested in studying the development of character strengths both in adults but also in adolescence and as I began looking at the scientific literature. It really struck me that no one was studying patients at all. No one I found four sources and one of them was Charles Darwin hockey about the emotional the bodily expression of the emotion of patients right so it struck me as very odd and that's not a very common thing as a researcher to find an area that is so under studied and so I said what's going on here first of all. Why is it? We don't CARE ABOUT PATIENTS. And then why should we should? We not and started to explore that question and pretty quickly. I came to the conclusion that this is actually a pretty important thing being patient but that at least in the United States cultural context I think in a lot of the Western world. We've come to ignore patients really since the industrial revolution. That we think if you have to wait or you have to suffer or deal with uncertainty that to technological failure and instead of saying that that's a natural part of life and that's part of being a human being and that we can cultivate the strength of patients in order to deal with sufferings uncertainty in waiting better instead our approach in the twenty first century is. Let's fix it with our technology so very quickly. Ooh This could be a problem because a lot of the things that are most important in life. You don't have control over and you have to wait and we all now are in this situation of Cova. Nineteen where we all are dealing with uncertainty. We can't immediately fix it and so a lot of my work has been starting to explore how we can help. People cultivate the virtue of patience understanding. Just what is it as a character strength and also in the beginning to trend to show that it is a good thing that this is something you want in your life. You know. I think the question I often get from people is full. Won't you just become a doormat? Or You really passive and just let life pass you by if you become patient and so our research suggests that is not the case and instead people who are disposition patient actually exert more effort in the pursuit of their goals at allows them basically to regulate their emotions so that they can make choices and know when to act when not to act and not just be driven by fear or anxiety or anger and instead be making wise decisions. We should you said before in one of the paragraphs you just uttered so eloquently that he one of the things you were looking at is what is patients so. I'm just curious. How do you define patients? Yeah so we defined it as the ability to be calm in the face of frustration obstacles suffering so doesn't necessarily involve waiting for something. I think that's a common component but there may also be forms of suffering that you have to patiently endure. That are never going to go away. So someone who has a chronic illness? They know that that's never gonna be fixed but they are patient with that suffering. We also see. There's different types of patients you have that long term life. Hardship patients like a chronic illness. If you think about what causes suffering in your life you might also realize Oh. It's the people I'm around. Those of us who are stuck in captivity with people that can be you can require patients. I have a three year old. This is a time for being patient with her and with myself. And so we see the interpersonal. Patience is somewhat distinct but really important for well being and then you have more your daily hassles patient. So this is I think what people typically think of it first getting stuck in traffic jams waiting in lines waiting on the phone for many people right now waiting on the phone for the unemployment office. This is the daily hassles components. Which also if you're impatient with those that can be a source of ill health and stress but we find all three are really critical and in many ways that long term life hardship patients and the interpersonal patients. That are most predictive of wellbeing. Outcomes this memories coming in mind I had a babysitter growing up when Nita she was not actually let necks her mother who she described as a heavy drinker used to like to read. She was Irish but she used to like to read romance novels and with the lead character. And what are the novels was named Juanita so anyway would need a babysitter. And I my brother and I were object. Ganic pains in the butt and I remember her driving her yellow vw Bug through Newton Massachusetts with my brother and I just tormenting her and she would grit her teeth and say patience is a virtue so it's interesting that if I heard you correctly that there are these three types of patients you know. How am I online at the pharmacy? However my inter personally and how how am I with long-term discomfort or misfortune of some sort and that it sounds to me like they're connected deeply. How you are in one area is going to say a lot about how you are in another And that's what our fancy statistics show us. They have some distinctive to them. But they really do have this. I think solid core to them that the person is cultivated habits whereby they can regulate their emotions effectively and the other thing that I think is the common core to all of them is that a person has a purpose behind there waiting. That's actually something. We've shown his really essential so if you have no reason to wait or suffer why why are you doing right so you just give up or you get angry and so in our work showing that there needs to be some kind of higher order beyond the self purpose for some people. That's really building a community that they care about contributing to society for some people that can be more spiritual connecting with something transcendent whether that's God or Karma higher power whatever that may be having something that really energize you and says it's worse suffering for this is necessary but I can see how that would apply at in interpersonal relationships. And if you're dealing with a chronic illness but how does transcendent meaning? Playa the drugstore. I think this is the opportunity to practice for those other. Two I think is what happens. I know that's what I try to do. Is in those situations kind of reframe like okay. This is a good opportunity for me to practice. The skill that I know is so essential as a mom and so I can use it here. Kate you I understand. You've been looking at how folks in China handled the lockdown there. Can you give a sense of what you found? Yeah so this is a study. I did with some collaborators in my department and in China in February so at the peak of the Cova problem there and before it really I mean now we know it was here but before we all kind of got used to that idea and what we found a lot of interesting things but one of them is that of course the longer people had been in quarantine and their Corinthian was a pretty severe restriction. And not even going out to the grocery store leaving the House. People who were in that state longer were worse off on lots of measures even beyond the ones. I mentioned earlier also like drinking more smoking more eating less healthily things like that and we're lonely are of course and so given that they had that a form of suffering due to the CORINTHIAN interested in looking at any whether anything we measured might give us a hint of what could make that lengthy quarantine easier again. I have to tell you I was running these analyses. I think within twenty four hours before the decision got me at my university like shut it all down so little. Did I know how much I would need research this finding but what we found basically is that there are lots of things that are correlated with related. Sue having an easier time in the moment that people were filling out the survey so like being more mindful of for example seemed to be at least associated with good things more optimistic but we only found one thing that actually seemed to reduce or ameliorate the effect of the Corinthian links which was being in a state of flow and so flow is basically the sort of feeling state you get into when you're doing something that is just the right amount of challenging where you can track your progress. It's a pleasurable activity. You're just all the way in you lose yourself. You lose track of time totally absorbed when I'm trying to get people to think about what they're flow activities are. I always say like what's the thing if you sit down to thirty minutes before you leave the House that you know you will completely lose time and be late for wherever you're going back when people left the house so what. We found that people who said that they'd been in that state more in the previous week. It kind of didn't seem to matter how long they'd been quarantined. The people who'd been in quarantine for two or more weeks looked essentially the same as people who were not yet in Corinthian in terms of like every measure of wellbeing that we have essentially a so again. It's great to be mindful. It's great to be optimistic. Have SATISFACTION WITH LIFE. Lots of other things but none of those really seemed to kind of cut down the effect that longer quarantine was having on people's well-being every time. I hear about flow. I feel bad about myself because I just don't know if I ever get into flow. Maybe the one thing that I do would be playing the drums which I don't do that often but when I do it sometimes I get bored but sometimes I it's amazing and I do lose. Track of time What else would put one in a flow state? So it's it's different for everyone because you have to kind of match those three pleasurable challenging but not too challenging and also kind of tracking progress so different activities get different people. They're the ones that are most reliable. Are Video Games or game? Fide other kinds of activities. So like I'm trying to learn. Spanish Lingo Dueling gamified version of language. Learning where it gives you a little rewards pleasant sounds when you do well and hugging terrible sounds when you do poorly and the little from their logo comes up and says nice things when you're doing well so you get that kind of progress tracking the rewards for doing well and it gets harder as you go on and I happen to enjoy it so for me. That's a great flow activity but again games. Any kind of video game is just of custody to create this because most video games get harder as you get better than give you lots of feedback about how you're doing and if you enjoy them then all the better but people get in flow like what. My favorite flow activity is data analysis. I'm guessing that doesn't resonate with normal people who have onto this party research survey so that's great for me. Not Probably for most people other people might get it gardening which I find. Dds and horrible people commonly also mentioned things like organizing cleaning out closets or addicts. I think I'm seeing people look for flow in this frenetic bread baking phenomenon. That seems to be happening right now. You know it's not making muffins that'll pretty much. Come out. Well no matter what you do. It's the slake challenging task and also you get to kind of post beautiful pictures of your newest sour dough recipe and so you get that progress and I think that's people looking for flow. That's so interesting. Did you get any data from the Chinese subjects of what they were doing? No I wish we had no. We haven't we have lots of other data from other studies but not in that moment not without population sadly but so what you're telling me and I guess anybody who has a teenage child hearing. This is going to be really disappointed in you. You're telling me is that video games may be really good Yes good for some things I guess. Not but for others You know if your goal is pass the time and feel good. It's not the worst activity you could choose. I mean if your goal is get your homework done maybe not the best activity. But you know if you're stuck in quarantine with little else to do yeah I might prescribe a little bit of gaming here and there. That's something you enjoy us. And did you look at whether you asked about mindfulness? But did you correlate that in any way to significant meditation practice by the way one can achieve flow in that? I think I probably have at times. I think that's absolutely right. Although it's probably not the most natural flow activity for most people except maybe the most practice meditators so we didn't get a lot of information in this study about where they're mindless coming from. It was more of a general measure of like. Are you feeling these things that look like mindfulness in the past week? So people presumably. Who Do more you know meditation and another mindful practices? Probably feel more of it. But we don't know where it was coming from. Maybe it doesn't matter necessarily where it's coming from if you're finding it one way or another whether it's coming from lengthy meditation or just general presence as you move through the world. I think it seems to be benefiting people either way what about physical activity because I know in China the Martial Arts. I think she going. I know it's Asian but I think it's Chinese which is kind of slow motion meditation physical activity of any sort. Is that a flow activity in. Do you think that's something you would recommend to us to do right now? Yeah so it can be flow activity. Anyone who works out a lot probably experienced both flow like exercise and not so flow like exercise. Like I hate running. I was getting okay doing it on the treadmill before all this happened and then I tried it in my neighborhood and I was like no not feeling flow or mindfulness. This is terrible. I'm GONNA stop so so I've gone back to Yogesh for me. Does actually create more of both the mindfulness and of course the many other benefits physical exercise but also a little bit of that flow. Because for me it does combine the right set of ingredients. I enjoy it. I do classes where it's challenging but not overwhelmingly so and I can kind of talk my progress at least just internally like can I hold that position that I couldn't hold before can I stretch further than I could yesterday so for me that works whereas like jogging did not so. It's not automatically flow but it can't be the worst thing that's happened to me with. Jogging recently is now. My Watch tells me how fast I'm going and how what my time has been and so now I'm ruining every run trying to beat the last run and usually failing which is another way. I've ruined Helton for myself as well. So there are ways for us to take things like meditation like exercise or even music anything and ruin it for ourselves. We're great at that. Yeah sure people out there making soda. Bread have ruined it for themselves. So Sarah What do you think? Let me. Just get to the heart of the matter. Now because we're veteran toward but people are. I think justifiably impatient right now handling it in various ways. What's your best expert advice for how to boost our patients quotient under these pretty sub optimal circumstances? Yeah it's not GONNA be easy. That's the hard thing about patients. It takes a long time to become patient. Takes patience to be patient. I'd say when I talk to people about okay. How do we grow your patients? I like to use the weight. Acronym W Y is patients important to you a for awareness of starting to understand how you're actually feeling that for many people actually not easy a with my three year old daughter a lot of just trying to identify what emotion. She's feeling when she's getting upset. And I've noticed I start doing it more with myself and then started to do it with other people which I'm sure they find very annoying but it's hard and my angry right now and my sad my anxious just being able to become aware of what it is. I think that in itself can often take some power away from that emotion so then after why is it important awareness? I like to talk about identifying ways to regulate and this could differ depending on the person so I think what Kate was talking about and China like finding flow states that especially in this kind of waiting situation with cove in nineteen where it's so uncertain and the timescale for how long this could be is really large. There could be a year to eighteen months right. We so that flows state kind of activity could be highly effective. Another strategy that we find is quite effective is what we call cognitive reappraisal. Just basically just trying to think about it in a different way in a way that refrains the situation. Sometimes that could be benefit finding which we see people taking the opportunity to do so. Wow I get to see my kids a lot more. I've seen more people talking to their neighbors far away my neighborhood than ever that In some ways we're building our community and people are getting more physical exercise outside. I've never seen him. So many people taking walks right so just trying to find benefits in the hardship. Doesn't discredit that. Something bad is happening but reappraising to see what good is happening or just finding a new way to realize. This could be worse right. There's lots of ways to reframe that just in themselves blunt that emotional impact and the last step so we talk about why is patients important awareness of your emotions identifying waste regulate and then t for transcend so find something bigger beyond yourself and I think with something like Cova Nineteen. That's actually pretty important that this is for not just me my own health and my own safety but for that our entire community that okay. Even if I'm a person WHO's not at risk there are a lot of people at risk and I'm doing this for the greater good and that our society could get back to normal in a healthy manner even though it feels like it's GonNa take a long time with this approach of social distancing. That actually is a good approach and my suffering now is helping others. I mean you did say early on that having a meaning behind your patients really turbocharged the whole enterprise so that's the transcendence yet that's the transcendence something bigger back to a the awareness of your emotional state that to me is a meditators screams out like okay. Well this whole thing can work better if you have the self awareness that's generated from meditation definitely lane and in one of our early studies. We actually tried out. Created A patient's training program for college undergraduates and with that program every session. We had included a meditation opponent because for many people in our society. Our lives are so busy and we're constantly inundated with information and Stimuli. That most people are not able to become aware unless they stop and induce some type of meditative practice. Whether it be more of a mindfulness meditation or some other type of meditative activity Katie. You're nodding your head wondering if you WANNA weigh on that I concur I think a lot of these processes do it. Easier with mindfulness. I sort of put flow over. Mindfulness in terms of talking about our results from that study in China just because it didn't seem to have very consistent effective ameliorating the effects of quarantine. But you know it's possible and would be hard to look at statistically but it is very possible that having mindfulness as a base and then building flow onto that is particularly effective. I would have to believe but what I'm hearing overall from you guys is that patients is a skill that can be generated because I constitutionally not very patient died. Can't sit still very well. And the more I meditate tomorrow notice how. My Day is infused with rushing and my meditation teacher. Joseph Goldstein has always talking about notice rushing as a feedback as this toppling forward. That's happening for me in meditation. Or when I'm putting my shoes on or you waiting for my son to reach the end of his sentence so I can tell them. It's time for a timeout. Or whatever it is. It's just their so prominently now says salient partly. Because I've got the boosted self awareness from meditation. Yes I stop talking but I wonder if this provokes thoughts free the review now. I definitely a big advocate that we can improve our patients and we found that not only were the participants who were in the course instead of the control group. They were more patient at the end. They also showed a decrease in depressive symptoms. So if you look actually at ancient philosophy. The of patience is discussed as between two vices. So one of recklessness impulsivity and the thing we typically think of as impatience but the other pole is a term. I can never pronounce a CD. A- basically it's giving up on life and giving up on the things that are most important to you sometimes it's translated US sloth or boredom or busy ness it's right we don't really have a term for it in our language but a lot of it is things that go along with depressive symptoms of no longer able to stay engaged when. I think about it with patient right. It's if you become so overwhelmed you start to just give up on goals in life. And I think that's a real danger. We see during this quarantine for cove in nineteen people are disconnected from things. That are most important to them and disconnected from everything and from the things that they're passionate about and so it makes a lot of sense to me earlier. What you're saying with Flo Kate because I think with flo you get the energy of feeling that passion that thing that energizes you right in with patients that helps you to not become so overwhelmed that you just have to disengage because you can't handle the negative emotion and that anxiety and so you just give up instead so in all. Just add. Think a lot of my research has sort of looked at what we do when we aren't there yet. So you know if you find yourself. Thrown into a terrible uncertain situation or a terrible interpersonal situation in the case of that sort of patients. What do you do that? And so a lot of my research is kind of looking cheats. Like if you find yourself losing your mind cause your patience is not where it needs to be. Well okay maybe maybe try meditation and maybe try to find flow activity. We've got some others like expose yourself to something that will bring into your life so you know. They're all kind of cheats to try to achieve what patients achieved naturally. But are those cheats or are those just genuine tools that will get you to patients. Well that's a good question. I think they're genuine tools. I think yes teaches under selling them because no one ever achieves perfect patients right so I think those are the habits. The practices that you can really start building and I like to call patients a character strength or virtue rather than personality trade because I really think it is something that you can create as a habit in your life and the habits is finding little rewarding things that will help you. Keep doing that habit and I think with something like patients right. Finding those treats of you know what I was patient today. Let me do my ten minutes video games. 'cause that's fun like it's okay to you don't have to knuckle down and achieve in one fell swoop that it's small habits over and over again in a particular context and we're all a home right now and that's the context we always are in so now is a great time to release. Start DEVELOPING THOSE HABITS. Maybe creating little spaces within your home of okay. Here's where I can go and meditate and practice this thing and when you go sit in that particular spot it can help you to activate those good habits. The Patients Jim. So you talking about impulsivity came to mind for me. You talk about it impulsively. Kind of being one of the opposites of patients and the marshmallow test came to mind to me for me so kate. You're smiling just for people who are unfamiliar with this. I think it was Stanford or I don't know where it was. But they did this test where they had brought a little kids. This is a test. I would have failed as a kid and I would fail right now. They said you can have this marshmallow right now. And then you're done or you can sit here patiently and we'll give you two and the kids. Those who waited for the second marshmallow. There were correlations as I understand it. In terms of life outcomes that were pretty powerful. So I'm curious if this lands in any way for you and then I also want to use that as a way to get to eating because I think this is something we do when we're feeling impatient. I'll jump embarrassed kate. You probably have some thoughts as well right. The marshmallow test is really honing in that very specific ability to delay gratification. Which yes we know is quite important. I think is an ingredient to help with patience. I think patience is a little bit different than that marshmallow test. Because there's a lot of choice agency there that we don't always find in especially on certain waiting situations or situations of long-term suffering right so I'm like what is the second marshmallow. I'm waiting for like there's I'm stop. We're stuck here. There might not be a magical cure that if you just do the right things and do the perfect diet and do the perfect exercises. You still might have this bad thing that you have to deal with. And so that's where I think. Delay of gratification can be really helpful for patients because we do often have quite a few choices and agency but sometimes we have to figure out what to do when we are up against this hard limit or against the thing that isn't going to change and that's where I think having the skills of patients of having a bigger purpose of why the suffering matters of able to find ways to make sense of that difficult thing and then regularly around it are really important. What do you think kate? Yeah I don't know that I have a ton to add but it is sort of an interesting take on patients to think of it as sort of one piece of self regulation or self control which is really what we're talking about with the Walter. Michelle stuff about marshmallows. It does again going back to why I called Some of these coping strategies cheats earlier. And I what I was thinking when I said that was that. If patients is kind of a a muscle you can develop essentially to some extent which you know. Of course you do through practice but navy becomes a bit more automatic that I I guess that makes it sound like self control in that you can develop it and then again coming back to my comment about sheets. I what I was thinking is like some of the strategies I study. It would work even if you're you know a ninety pound weekly. It doesn't really matter like you can do it either way. Even if what those. Become our habits patient people so not of direct answer but just some additional thoughts there. So you're saying if I hear you an I noticed this comma. Come up in some of the research that our producer. Samuel sent me that it's possible in some ways to fake patients. Yeah I think so I mean you know again it sort of depends how you define patients really like deep down like something that is inside us or is it a behavior that we do and that's often really hard to disentangle with psychological stuff. But I guess when I think of patients in the virtue language it does feel like something that we have a little bit of inside of us can build. Sarah has said whereas I think you can fake being patient. Pretty well to yourself when it comes to things like flow like you just made our go by fast. It's not that you handled the hour. Well let's just you made it fly by playing video game. You know that feels like a cheat to me. It's not like real patients that'll pay off later. It's just you got through this bad our this day but I would say. Meditation is in a different category for me because you are leaning in to the the feeling I mean. It's a hard thing to do. You're leaning into the discomfort. The restlessness the uncertainty. There's an art to it because you don't want to overwhelm yourself either. Especially if you've have some trauma and your background in this is by many definitions collective trauma that we're in right now so there's some delicacy that is called for but in general we are sort of the theory of the only way out is through. Is the meditation world's sort of rallying cry here and you know that doesn't strike me as a cheat that strikes me as like to embrace this thing and the the benefit is that over time. I'll be less controlled by the restlessness etcetera etcetera. Say to you know I was talking about earlier. The wait plan to patients the awareness. I think the cheats is you. Try to just deny that there was ever the the negative emotion. I think some people just go straight to the video games and try to pretend there aren't upset at all and just kind of dove around it so I think sometimes okay to use those flow but I completely agree that the meditation an approach says we're jumping all the way in. We're going to become fully aware of that negative emotion. Not Judge it. See what happens with an? I think that's really critical step to achieving that long-term more disposition all character virtue of patients. You can't get to that personal. It can work for you wherever and whenever you are that you've got to be able to actually address that negative emotion and not. Just go through escapism. Yeah I agree I mean I think again just coming back to that one. Study that we have lots of studies on the benefits of flow. And of course. Mindfulness but it does seem to me that the fact that the long. Corinthian in that study it was about two weeks two to three weeks and so it seems to me that that you could perhaps persist through a couple of days maybe weeks by just like as you said kind of avoiding denying flowing in ways that just take your mind away but it's not gonna be sustainable for really long periods of time and so as we're looking at really longer time here. I do think that practice of mindfulness that is more portable whether or not you can in that moment. Use a flow activity or not. You can at least have that inside that becomes much more important over longer periods of time. Kate let me get you to talk about interpersonal patients. What is your research either professionally or personally shown you here so. I haven't looked as much at that intersection. Research wise at least with patients is really on the like patients with uncertainty side of things but Lord knows we all had plenty of experience with our personal patients personally and I certainly have as well. I don't have kids. So that's one that I think is like a constant test for most people of interpersonal patients that I don't have a very energetic dog that occasionally test me social connection and social support or of course like wildly important for wellbeing. All the time was in fact just teaching a graduate seminar this morning and we were talking about relationships and social support end really digging into the fact that those are so threatened during this period of time when most of us are relatively isolated and so one of the things that I think is really key is finding those ways to connect to others and to sort of feel that sense of connection where it might not be. It's interesting too. I think even find that social connections with TV show characters can actually service surrogate as well for people. So your Netflix. Binge actually could be a really healthy thing to do right now. I think the research actually supports it meets a lot of those social needs. And so you know I think so. Often we poo poo on media and consumption of video games and TV shows. And things like that but I think in this kind of time in particular is really an amazing tool that we can use to help ourselves into kind of replenish and feel connected. Even if we can't be with real people find it kind of tricks the brain and with that with interpersonal patients. We haven't been able to look at it a ton yet but I think we do show that the ability to empathize with others seems to enable you to be patient with other people so if you realize oh there's a reason they're being difficult. It's a whole lot easier to then extend grace and not be upset by them and I would say that consuming novels. Tv shows actually can really help build your empathy skills. Because you're following this story and kind of takes you step by step and how to relate to other people and so even if you're not around people during this time especially those who are all by themselves you can be building your patients just spy building your empathy and engaging with narratives that are really compelling and practicing connecting with characters. And it's fun. I was GONNA ask you when you're talking about flow before we were talking about video games. I was GONNA ask about Netflix. Although since. Abc News is owned by Disney. I should say Disney plus or flood that flow activity. Not generally so binging Netflix. Though I completely agree with Sarah that it might serve other functions and it's relaxing and if you're doing it with someone of course that's another bonding experience as well but in terms of flow. I would say most TV and movies and even books they just don't get quite there and people challenged me and others on this all the time. Even I have thought a lot about this because I love reading novels and I can. You know lose time. It certainly has that piece of it if I'm really into a good book or a great TV show. But what? I at least have found that research on flow would be consistent with this is that it's great if you're doing okay. If your mind is relatively clear quiet than a good book good. Tv show. Yeah it can be really a positive experience in lots of different ways. But if your mind is spiralling out and you're ruminating or worrying and it is just a mess up their mind at least will speak for myself is very capable of continuing to do that while I'm watching. Tv or reading a book and it really a bummer. Because then it also ruins the fun thing I was trying to do and so I think that again. It's I'm certainly an advocate of entertaining yourself. However you can in these moments but if what you're looking for is to quiet your mind to pass the time quickly you might actually think a little more creatively about what is not maybe as obviously relaxing but is more engaging and that might be a better option. Sarah you were talking about empathy as a tool for interpersonal patients. Who have either of you look at loving kindness practice as way to boost empathy or I think more technically accurately compassion? Yes we actually included some loving kindness. Meditations in our patients training program and so those that was a component of what was effective for people to increase their patients and I think loving kindness practice is so powerful too because it builds connections. You realize how you are part of a bigger hole. That's not necessarily think intent but at least for myself as I've done it. I realize it kind of puts that transcendent on the map for you that I'm one small piece I start with myself and then realizing I'm part of this giant universe with people that I love but also some enemies but kind of all of nature and that I find for myself that kind of leads to some moral elevation even after I do it for a while and I think it kind of secretly gets that transcendent element into the practice of patients and helps. You realize this isn't just for me. This is something much bigger than me and actually feeling love and compassion and positive things for other people in the world. That aren't just me really helps with building that empathy and saying I feel like the center of my own universe but I am not the entire universe and that there's other people and creatures and all kinds of animals and all kinds of things that we need to be considering that makes it a whole lot easier to deal with the dog that sparking in the middle of the night in contrast. Interestingly the one way that I've used loving kindness. Meditation in my research is actually like the control comparison group and the reason is because again the kind of patients that I look out are the sorts of struggles that I look. aren't really as much interpersonal. They're very much in your own mind. And so when? We were starting to think about the role of mindfulness and specifically mindfulness meditation and making waiting a little easier. We thought okay well. What's basically the same as mindfulness meditation in every way in terms of the breathing and the relaxation and the sitting in the contemplating but doesn't necessarily as much at least have the present moment. Non Judgmental thought piece of it which is where. I really think that it's useful for waiting when we're waiting for something or feeling uncertain. There's just a lot of mental time travel. You're kind of zigging back and forth like I should've studied more for that test. So my Gosh what's GonNa Happen if I fail? No no and so- mindfulness is really well suited to shutting that mental time. Travel down a little bit and keeping you in the present moment and also to be more aware of what your worries are what your donations are and so again whereas loving kindness has benefits not as well suited to that situation and so when we say in our lab. Mindfulness Meditation is good for waiting. It's actually in contrast to loving kindness meditation. Which didn't hurt anybody but didn't help nearly as much interest because I would imagine you could be easier on yourself in the face of all of the uncertainty. That would be a benefit of loving kindness. Meditation you can't waiting for a biopsy or something like that. I can imagine that would be the case. This was with the bar exam so it wasn't quite as liberal life or death at least but yeah those are the only two groups we had that study. So what I'm guessing is that everyone benefited a little bit relative to doing nothing. Maybe in terms of self compassion which obviously is a component of mindfulness as well with the non judgment piece of it. So you know everybody got that boost. But then the mindfulness people also got and these are by the way not practice meditators. This was like ten minutes. Maybe once or twice a week we wanted them doing it every day but of course they did not. That seem that. Mindfulness was even a little bit better and again. I think it's because it does more tackle the sense of mental time travel and worry a bit better than loving kindness. Might wonder too if you think about so if I'm trying to figure out what I should do like I think as individuals are thinking about what practice should I be adopting right now. What do I need today? I think you could think about what are my main struggles. Right now. Is that that I'm stuck in my head and can't get out of this repetitive thought loop and super anxious right so that I think is when you want more than. Maybe just the mindfulness meditation or is that my spouse is driving me nuts and we're just all fighting with each other in the house. Maybe then the loving kindness meditation. Or maybe if they're like. I don't WanNa do this anymore. I think it's done. Why following these rules. I think ben loving kindness. Meditation might be really helpful to realize you're connected to others that you need to act for the sake of others. So I think as people are practicing meditation just thinking about kind of a moment to say what is what is it. I need today. Where am I at checking in and saying okay? Maybe this practice. I imagine if you actually have a community that you talked to about meditating or someone who's guiding you that would be really helpful because we aren't always great at knowing what we need. Probably most of us aren't so that's where it's always good to have someone else you thinking about this with you. I know what I need pretzels. And his new plus exactly but the penguins movie undersea classes so far and the elephant loving their nature. Movies like something. I actually enjoy watching with my daughter. I know I gotTA GET my son off. Scooby Doo and over to the nature movies. That would make my life so much better. I had a question about for UK. You brought up before Tessema. The benefits of pessimism. What are your thoughts? On the balance between optimism and pessimism in the current predicament in which we find ourselves create hushed. I thought a lot about this. I mean I've been thinking about this question. Broadly for like decades. But I've been thinking about it now because most of what I've studied when it comes to the benefits of pessimism period of uncertainty that has a clear end and so what we know with a fair amount of confidence at this point. Is that if you're waiting for something where you know when the news is coming or when the thing is ending then having shifting away from general attitude of optimism to a bit more of a pessimistic mindset and at the moment of truth which could mean moments but also even days or weeks depending on the time course toward the end of it picking up a little bit more of that preparation rather than the optimism is healthy and it does in fact make that news easier to take next good news feel even better and actually even during the moments of feeling pessimistic. If you're doing it in the right timing. It doesn't actually hurt that much. Because it gives you a sense that you're controlling your future emotional states so it can actually reducing diety if what? You're anxious about being flattened by bad news. So it's great for that but for us here we have. This are open ended. Who knows when this ends kind of uncertainty? Some piece of news waiting for its seismic shift in our ability to handle this dominic. Which could happen in a month. Probably not but maybe or two years or never and so then. I really struggle actually good advice in terms of how to manage your expectations. But I do think what I'm doing at least is trying to maintain as much optimism as I can not wildly unrealistic optimism but kind of general sense of like a humans have survived worse than this before we will probably in the end be okay or least most of us will that sort of general positively. I try to do that as much as I can. But then I kind of periodically whatever that means for a person maybe once every few days just kind of check in and like in with myself and kind of make sure am I going to get blindsided. By something here. Insufficiently prepared for I have elderly parents for example and they insufficiently prepared for You know something God forbid to happen to one of them were insufficiently preventing bad outcomes for myself. Do I need to think a bit more about my own preparation by the way I have to pause and say my parents were probably listen to this and they hate when I called. They are useful. Older Age. People are very well and I'm not at all worried about him. I promise but there are things that I feel like. I really am not ready for then. Of course I should think about that and be prepared but then I just don't think that's sustainable over the period of time that we're end without incurring a pretty huge misery so you know. I think my best advice in this bizarre open ended long-term situation is find optimism. Everywhere you can and let pessimism in once in a while just to make sure you're ready for what's coming next. Whatever in the world that as somebody who's employed defensive pessimism throughout his life that actually strikes me as quite reasonable. Are there questions? I should've asked vis-a-vis patients that I failed to ask Most of them important staff agreed. Well I'll do cognitive reframing. If we weren't in this situation I might not have met the two of you. So yes exactly one good benefit to find. Yes thank you both for doing this. Really appreciate it more. Ten percent happier after this better help offers. Licensed professional counselors specialized in a wide array of issues like depression anxiety and grief connect with your professional counselor in a safe private online environment. It's a truly affordable option and listeners can get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash happier. Fill out a questionnaire to help them. Assess your needs and get matched with a counselor. You'll love okay. Thanks Sarah Kate. Let's bring in Sharon Salzberg. She's the CO founder of the insight Meditation Society and one of the founding teachers of the ten percent happier APP. She's a regular on this show she's also written a bunch of books including real happiness and real love We talk here about how to use meditation to boost patients. We talk about the difference between patients and passivity and we talk about how to be patient with yourself as well as others. Here we go Sharon Salzberg. Well thank you for doing this. Really appreciate it. It's always nice to see you and it's always nice to see too so you've had a chance to read the transcript of the conversation that our listeners will have just consumed. What are your general thoughts on meditation and patients? Meditation makes you more patient and interview. That's it and say to myself in my practice. Felt like nothing was happening. Least them developing some patients which within the Buddhist context is a high virtue. I mean that's not a small thing. It's really very big thing. Actually and of course. It's one of those qualities that so readily misunderstood. It's hard to get even now. This is quotation from the Buddha. That patience is the highest austerity or sometimes translated as it's the highest renunciation and we tend not to like either of those words austerity or enunciation. So it's not that attractive mostly but really. It's considered a tremendous strength. Why well I think it's tied into things like not only tolerance and forbearance but acceptance and perspective It's like I never have raised a child but you are in the process of raising a child and I'm assuming that when your kid is trying to walk and they fall down. They fall down. They fall down and they fall now have frustrated they get or if they just are doing it. But how frustrated do you get? And can you accept? This is the nature of development. That's how things are going to happen. I also think of this story. Joseph Goldstein tells about his mother's she was getting older and as a younger woman she'd been tremendously adventures like he always says she went to India before I did. And she was very bold and audacious and but now this some years later. She's in California and they were taking a walk and he said they got to a place that was the mildest of inclines ahead of them and she freaked out. Like I can't do that too much for me. I can't do that. And he was complaining. Like come on you can do that. Like it's nothing it's an it's really nothing and pressing her and she was just so resistant and then he realized. Oh for her. It's like men Everest. She's seeing things and then he dropped into the way things actually were in that moment. Not holding onto the expectation of the past and then real relationship can happen in that moment and so he had to become patient with the the reality. I have aging parents. You don't you've met my parents. And I continuously having to remind myself that I'm not interacting with the MOM or dad that I remember interacting with the MOM and dad. That are here right now. And that. I don't know if it's patients or wisdom or chess practicality but it's incredibly useful very touching stories about people whose parents has dementia and they say Was Mom and you know. Maybe the dads his mom and the now adult child says well. She's in a nursing home in Dad freaks out an hour later. Yes it again and and you know. The Sun is like insistent. You've gotta see things as they are. You know And dead can't do it so like the billions time. They say she went to the store or something. And just like okay. Here we are. This is a different reality. So Do you find that meditation? I mean do you ever get impatient to? Has It worked for you after all these years? I'm better I am a lot better. I mean it has a lot to do with you know view as a meditation teacher if you're teaching a brand new student and they are full of doubt. Is this worth doing? You know you have to understand. This is the process. This is just how people feel and it's genuine. It's important to express and it's not really fair to say I've had an answer. That question seventy thousand times and you know I also visionary quality in that sense in that can have a sense of this is now for this person and it may well be that they grow and they change and it's not always going to be this way. It's not fair to them to just categorize them as like a certain kind of person Zeltser experienced now. Or that's what they're relieving right now and that's been a beautiful evolution as a teacher is kind of allowing people to unfold at their own pace in that superimposing. My own timetable on them. Or I think for anybody who's got a friend WHO'S SUFFERING. And maybe self destructive in terms of habits and things like that course is urgency in our wish that they change but there also needs to be kind of patience as you know their life is not unfolding on our timetable. Too Bad right but that's also the reality of things. What is the mechanism by which meditation and this is a tricky question because there are different types of meditation? What's the mechanism by which it develops this quality of patients for us? Well I think with mindfulness practice which is designed to help bring us closer to the experience. That's actually happening and notice pretty quickly. Our assumptions are Annan's and our interpretation our projection into the future. Once we can see those Moore's they are arising we have the chance of letting go of them and without those like hurry up mom or you know. Why aren't you the way you were fifty years ago? Then we can less drop into how things are and that is the quality. Patience is that kind of acceptance acceptance is a funny word to because it doesn't mean you're enjoying the way things. Are you know that you're delighted? That great you know mom. Kim Woke up the hill anymore. Or you'RE GONNA you're complacent apathetic. It's not that either. But it's being so close to reality that that's the basis of what you say and do is the truthfulness of that and with loving kindness practice. I think we which is near. Different methodology actually step into a different realm. That may be less familiar to us than being nasty to ourselves in having super perfectionist unrealistic standards and judging ourselves by them and we step into a realm of practicing what it's like to be kind to ourselves or to others and so here to get to see those habits first of all justice habits but also not the only alternative that they can be very strong there where we tend to live. Maybe but it's not. The only way of seeing things and the other way of seeing things are approaching ourselves and others is not stupid you know. It's not just it's an anyway phony. It's just different. Let me Pick these apartment. I want all talk about mindfulness. First and then we'll go to love and kindness. I'm a big fan of both as you know. It's actually your fault that I'm a big Hannibal. Yes yes I do exhibit a lot of patients over the years so on. Mindfulness I am not a patient person. I am rushing all the time and I noticed this is one of the things I have to be patient with myself about the more self awareness. I have courtesy of meditation. The more I noticed how much I am rushing and I feel it is like a burning or buzzing very uncomfortable buzzing in my chest if I'm paying attention and it's even here a little bit right now what I have to do this. And we're gonNA where what am I gonNA fit in a workout? And what am I gonNA fit in some meditation today and Blah Blah Blah and then with the training of meditation? That you've helped teach me I notice it and then kind of Blow it a kiss and let it go and it just comes back over. You have to keep doing that. It's not magic but it's better than just being owned by it all the time am I describing the process accurately to you you. I never suggested you blow. Something kissed. Wouldn't dare so it's a weird die added. That aren't really impressive. Like last time I spoke to you. Use The word heart and I immediately shivers like. Oh I said heart definitely. Even that suggested you blow wow. This is great. Well you know with that sort of reflexive utterance on my part of blow something a. Kiss is actually the result of the combination of mindfulness practice and love and kindness practice. That's how it's showing up for me instead of just seeing the rushing Kinda gritting my teeth noting it and quote unquote letting go. I think what's happened over. Time with adding a lot of love and kindness practice in is that I actually view it. Was You know this is I think her jet cornfields say this the other day? This is just the organism however unskillful e trying to protect itself. You know this is an old program in here and I should give it some respect. It's yeah sometimes it's useful not very often but it's not trying to mess me up. It's actually trying to do the opposite now. I think it's a great attitude to have toured. What may be Things that are hindering us in the end. You know at least for now not feel embarrassed about what we're thinking you know putting ourselves down for A. Hey Okay you know you can take arrests. That's Okay Yeah. I think that's the perfect description of the process because a lot of old habits arise and one of the things. I've gotten a lot from meditation practice. Which may be fits in is the value of a moment of coming back or releasing even if it has to be done again again because that's the kind of thing that one might easily decry like. Oh I blew it. You Know I. I ended up running to get to the Meditation Krishnan. Sin All out of breath because those rushing to meditate but within that there are moments of saying. Take a brass. Just relax you know. And then we get caught up again and then we relax again or we step back. We have some spacious news. We have some perspective. We get caught up again. Mostly people put themselves down because of ultimately they did run to get the meditation Kushner's Exact but every single moment when we step back when we kind of regroup when we recover is very valuable moment because that's really planting seeds of being able to do it again again and it's not nothing really to be able to let go of really burdensome pattern of thinking and just be in the moment even if it doesn't last for six hours. I WanNa make sure I understand that so we may catch ourselves having rushed or been impatient. Either well standing on line. Hopefully socially distanced at the supermarket or waiting on the phone line for the unemployment office to finally pick up or you know having been impatient with somebody with whom we're locked down all the forms of impatience that are available to us in their many. We might catch ourselves being patient in those moments. Tell ourselves a story about how we're never going to stop being impatient. But actually if we've got a little mindfulness onboard first of all. That's what's allowing us to ourselves and there may have been little moments throughout the alleged rushing. Where actually you did catch it midstream. And and so. Actually you're there's ten percent twenty percent thirty percent less momentum to the rushing during the time when you thought you were rushing and those those moments being able to realize what's going on to begin again to come back to your aspirations come back to your values come back even just to your breath which actually functions they way if you come back to your breath you off do come back to your values and what you really want more than anything and and then you get lost again you know. Usually we only focus on the moments we get lost but in fact growth and progress happened through those other moments even though they don't last long and so that has also helped me be patient because in the beginning that was the most ludicrous thought in the world to me. You know like you know yesterday can only be with three breaths. Surely I should be with eighteen breasts today before my mind wanders and tomorrow before the eight and then you know and that's the way we tend to think but to be instructed that the most important thing is the moment after your mind has wandered after. You've completely blown it after you've gotten lost. How do you recover? How do you come back and come back again and again and again and again? It's not a waste of time. It doesn't mean you're doing it wrong. Megyn you're right and to me. That's where the loving kindness practice which I will have said this in my introduction to you you've been the premier purveyor of this kind of practice in the west and that's been it's an amazing service you've done The loving kindness practice is key is an intertwining with mindfulness. Because it's the moment of waking up. That is the key moment in mindfulness. But that I think there is so much subtler not so much not so subtle aversion self laceration judgment braided through those moments for most of us. But if if you've got the warming up of the mind loving kindness practice on board as well then when you wake up you can recognize. This is just a pattern. It is trying to help me. This is this anger. I'm feeling right now is in my case like inserted by my grandfather probably and but maybe I can see it warmly because it is trying to protect me and here we go back to the breath. Yeah no exactly and I think that's why when I started teaching Living Highness practice in the West it was one thousand nine hundred five and a lot of people were kind of resistant felt flowery or like a feel good practice or as. I sometimes say it was like a girly practice you know and and I think it took a while I mean I had just had a three-month experience in Burma of only doing loving fans practice in very immersive intense way so I saw within myself how it affected my self judgment and my fear and my sense of isolation and it was radical and important for me and so on I came back and started teaching it and I met fair amount of resistance and judgment. I just thought about like having is important and it's been of course gratifying to me and all kinds of ways over the years to see really. It's exactly what you said that it's not that easy to be mindful. Look what we're asking people. Now this time sit with your anxiety. Sit with your grief. Sit with his massive uncertainty and be with all in a different way S. Not that easy but it's such a tremendous strength. When even for a little bit of time we can do that. Because that's what we're actually feeling you know and and to be able to be with all of those feelings that hating ourselves forward or feeling ashamed of it on the one side or being completely overcome and defined by its that were were choking. You know it's too much not falling into that either and finding that place in the middle which is how. Mindfulness is sometimes defined. I think all the loving kindness we can use will really help us. It's interesting right there in your story of having come back from India in nineteen eighty five and started to teach you know loving kindness meditation in the West and running into all sorts of obstacles in judgment even in the lovey-dovey a Buddhist world there's patients in that patients with the people with whom you are interacting in patients with yourself to maybe get over. Whatever doubt you were experiencing in the face of the doubts raised by others etcetera etcetera. So it's kind of that story proves the point in and of itself. Thank you and I think one of the things I like about really exploring patients is that it can seem so passive and that you're not gonNA keep acting or you're not gonNA protest or take a stand. It's like should we be feeling patients toward people who are walking around. New York City streets without a mask. I'm thank we. We don't want to be consumed with ill-will we need perspective. We need understanding but I think people need to act in some way whether it's a government official with a regulation or I understand hands in New York that the commentaries rather colorful when somebody's walking with Adam and that other people are taking it upon themselves to New York way to express themselves and I think that's appropriate. That's correct but okay. That's an interesting case study because I know you're saying that patience is not blind acceptance or resignation passivity but there are I suspect wholesome and unwholesome ways to act. So you. Using a bunch of expletives At somebody WHO's not wearing a mask is is is that kosher or is there a way to do it? That makes sense well. There's always a way to do it. I mean that that's more skillful. I was just amused. Because I've some New Yorkers I know are claiming that with pride you know like but you know you don't have to do that with ill will and hatred. That would be really good idea and zero far more skillful ways acting in most situations. And if we're mindful enough we can discern what they are. We do the best that we can but you know. I just found that rather amusing because I miss New York so well I can tell you. I Know Europe in in central Massachusetts I'm here in New York. It is it's weird. It's it's kind of a nightmare. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. Just I mean I'm not gonNA give up on New York City. actually And I know you're not either but It's just it's hard you know every everybody's wearing masks. It's just a strange situation. Go to the store and they've got plexiglass everywhere and yeah. It's it's weird but let's keep going with this patients and interpersonal relations. Because I mean there's the sort of level of being frustrated with people who are not taking social distancing seriously as we would like them to the politicians we see on TV but then there's also people that were locked down with And so how would love and kindness and or mindfulness help us with forbearance but not passivity in those moments I think it's many levels. One is the way we learn to communicate which is not condemning. Hopefully you know like instead of saying you're an idiot. I can't believe you're always leaving the laundry on the floor whenever you put away the dishes wet and whatever that irritant might be. It's actually it sounds so hackneyed cliche. But it's actually expressing your feelings. It's using I language like I was really concerned when they went to get my bowl for cereal. In the middle of the night having worked constantly and it had all this moisture in it. You know freaked out about fungus or whatever. I find those things also difficult and annoying you know because they seem so formulae but learning to and that takes tremendous patience to be willing to express things in a way that are actually more vulnerable and therefore more honest like I wanted I hoped for I would be so gratified if you know whatever it's much easier to set your an idiot and you never show up and you don't take care of anything but if you are willing to do that that's a whole other level of communication and then. I think there's a certain understanding even as we ask for something even as we try to make a change in some way that people really visit another cliche so I hate said but people really are doing the best that they can and my colleague. Sylvia Burstein twenty. Now you've talked to recently always used to say that when we were teaching together and I think he'll come out Sylvia like really and she's saying the people are doing the best that they can. Actually I read a quote from maybe my Angelou. Who said when you know better you do better and that was a form that I felt. Oh right you know same for me when I know better. I do better and I think even just holding that vision as your lockdown somebody or you're in communication with them even as you express what you want what you need what. You'd like to see how things might change. It's having that understanding really people kind of aren't doing the best that they can. Let's help them do better if we can. I think for me I have that understanding intermittently but what has helped me boost that bedrock understanding which then you know level up to informing how you actually act. Is that in the practice of loving kindness. Which you're whatever it's a little bit clunky on some levels but so is lifting weights You're kind of systematically envisioning people and then sending these phrases may be happy may be safe healthy live with these or maybe from suffering depending on the flavor of love and kindness. You're doing or the flavor of Brahma Viagra that you've chosen in doing that over and over and over again you kind of just your training up the basic understanding that this is a human being and you have your training up your capacity to see the best in them to want the best for them and just when I need it. Sometimes that shows up for me not always but sometimes I did a Webinars I guess you'd call it for international humanitarian aid workers a few weeks ago and these are people really people from all around the world who arn devastating conditions often and they can't work in their work as like a mission. They can't get into the refugee camps right. Now or their funding has evaporated and and these are activists and they can't act and so there were in lockdown views all around the world and there is a whole level of dismay themselves which was like an add on. You know I shouldn't be this frustrated. Less should've should find a way where it can make a difference. I should you know here I am an. It's hard with my family and it shouldn't be that way. And was that whole other level. That actually was the most immediate burden in a way that was that was extra and they had had a workshop. Couple of weeks before with Parker Palmer. The educator great human being and at the end of his workshop with them. He had everyone on meet themselves. They could all hear one another and he had everyone say both to themselves and one another welcome to the human race so they asked me if I could think of a another one. You know pithy slogan to end my time with them and I kinda like that one you know L. Good encapsulated it. All welcome to the human race we are so. That's that has the potential to be understood in an Omni Directional Way. Like you can say that to yourself when you're noticing something about yourself you don't like but you can say to yourself about other people when they're behaving in ways that you know patients all around patients all around one last thing to ask you about and I'm thinking of your neighbor up there in central Joseph he's got this whole rap and I'm sure you have your own too but it's his is just coming up in my mind right now and this is more on the mindfulness meditation tip of using rushing in our practice in in our life as a feedback to pull ourselves nomin Can You bring your own perspective? Talk about that because I think it's a great tactic. Yeah I mean when I did the podcast with you after a gotten out of the hospital last year when I had sepsis and it was really sick and I told you the story about how the first time I got up to walk was Unin Walker up and down the hospital. Carter's as one does and had a physical therapist with me and at one point she said to me. It's not a race. You know you'll get a lot further if you just stop now and then and take a break and that became my mantra because I realized a lot of times. I'm just like recent it's lead described. You know this morning I gotta get this done. What's next thing just like you know? There's so much to do and have to take care of everything and I realize I'd get a lot. Further effect would stop now and then and not just being this forward propulsion all the time and so when I moved to my friend's house where I stayed for another two months and you know walk every day outside I with a Walker and then with Kane and just walking and that really was my mantra. I would stop you know when I had like a physical therapist with me leads. This way actually stopping. I said because I'm taking a break and then and then I'm going to go on and so that's one way of doing it. You know it's certainly recognizing that internal feeling of amway ahead of myself. I'm not actually embodied or present in this moment and just coming back you can actually take a break if that helps and just kind of regroup and then then go forward again. Joses point is that you can move quickly but not rush you know that is a certain sensibility to a certain sense of being ahead of yourself. That doesn't mean you have to like just creep around you know and never moved quickly. Never have a long to do list of things to accomplish. You can. But I'd watch out for that internal sense because actually lose focus even presence balanced and you lose insight. You know. We're just getting the thing done really work that well so it's interesting so just as acceptance doesn't mean passivity resignation patients doesn't mean you're scaling back your ambitions or your pace to some point. That's glacial don't think it. Does I know you Miss New York you WANNA rejoin the human race? All of that requires patients. How're you doing with because I think that's a level of patients that are researchers talked about you know they talked about in the moment patients with you know waiting on hold or waiting online interpersonal patients? And then the sort of the macro patients required to get through this desire. We all have to have this thing and so we can get back to quote unquote normal How are you doing with that? Level of patients say because I know you love being out and doing. I'm a strange one that way for minutes later. Well I think it's the same skill I've been practicing forever which is not easy to do but it's really useful in. It works on moment to moment basis. Which is when I start adding a future conceptualization in the useless way. Like what's IT GONNA be like if I can't get back to New York even by September? Not only am I here in the country with a lady bug infestation century life but like my partner were you know and it's impossible to know it's impossible to deal with right and it only produces a kind of angst you know because. I'm not only living the reality of now. I'm living the most grim possibilities of the future for me because that's where one's mind tends to go. We don't think A. In happy delight like everything safe. I'm going to get back to New York and my life is going to be as rich as intricate as it once was and I'm going to be able to go to the theater and is just like maybe out. Can you actually write a play? It's like that's not where my mind goes rate. It's like Oh no you know it's like that future and even though everything is unknown it's the worst possible image of the future and I'm trying to bare it all at once and it's impossible so I mean I think if you go back to Richie Davidson's research on physical pain. How the difference between meditators and non meditators all ineffable machines as he's inducing. Some kind of pain is that when the pain was withdrawn. The non meditators with flip into a cycle of anticipation. When's it coming back? My Ruby Morris. How bad it will be and so. They never got any rest. They never got any respite. Theme never got a break whereas meditators might have had as one does as a human being reunion. Say an animal of reaction to the pain when the pain was withdrawn they had some peace and they could just return to what actually was and is kind of the same mechanism. You know. That cycle of anticipation is usually dreadful. And it's unreal. You know if it's one thing if grappling with the kind of reality you can have to deal with part by part but it's just inches the patient and so the patients comes from seeing. Wow that's just being lost in a world I have created and you either say let's create another world you know with great an alternative or you come back an coming back and to your breath to your bobby to this moment to connection with those around you. There's something very complete in that moment. Because of the nature of the connection you know the context is very full and that brings its own kind of relief yet does and then you just have to do it over and over and over that takes patients too because you do have to do it over and over and over again. Some great quotation from the Buddha is said something like I think the literal quotations goodness but the way I usually described as the mind will get filled with qualities like mindfulness and loving kindness. Moment by moment the way bucket will get filled with water. Drop by drop and I love that image from the first time I heard. 'cause right away could imagine myself standing by that bucket. Either looking in and thinking isn't going to be great when it's filled and I'm floating down the streets and wearing white sorry. I'm completely enlightened but not bothering to add the next up which is this moment or very easily standing by the bucket and looking at it and thinking it's really empty as a bleak picture and again not bothering to add the next stop. Which is this moment. And since I started using the example and teaching people have come to me with these different iterations like standing by the bucket your bucket and not even looking in it but looking over the next bucket thinking. Oh that's a lot of people come up to me. I think my bucket has a whole these buckets. Don't get holes really. It's just the next drop in the next drop in the next drop. That's pretty good place to leave it. I think I really appreciate you doing this. I know you we call on short so thank you for for green too though. He's a pledge. I'm actually seeing US afternoon to. This is my Dante. Are we overdoing page live together? Oh Nice awesome this is. That's really good news. Yeah let's Great. Thanks Sharon big. Thanks to the team who work incredibly hard to make this. Podcast happened Samuel. John's our captain producer or Sound designers are met Boynton and Anya Chesapeake of ultraviolet audio and Maria were tell our production coordinator. We derive of wisdom from our colleagues such as a Toby. Jen Plant and then Ruben also big. Thank you to our. Abc compadres Ryan Kesler and Josh Cohen. We'll see on Wednesday. We got a great episode my Old Pal and just mentor and in meditation and many other important things the psychiatrist and author Dr Mark Epstein. See you Wednesday.
Coronavirus and the gig economy
"This is a CBC podcast. Hi Matt Galloway. This is a podcast from the March. Fifth Edition of the current. There are things that everyone can do to protect the health delay spread of Kobe. Nineteen and minimize the overall impact across our communities. Wash your hands well and often cover your sneezes and stay at home if you're sick to prevent the spread of illness. That's advice from Canada's Chief Medical Health Officer Dr Teresa Tam but for many Canadian staying home might not feel like an option with a lack of guaranteed sick. Leave and the rise of precarious work and the so-called GIG economy. Some people are afraid of losing income or even their jobs if they call in sick Adam Montgomery contract sales worker in Vancouver Adam. Good Morning Good Morning. What is Your Employment Situation? How does that work We're contracted to sell Different products to businesses. So we're outs Talking to different businesses day to day to provide different services from telecommunications to merchant services and so on and as a sales worker. How do you get paid? If you don't mind me asking We got a per diem. And then we're on commission and so what happens if you aren't feeling well and you need to take a sick day. I work from home to a degree where IF I've already built a relationship with a customer and I'm able to close the sale I'd still get paid the commission but I don't get the prettiest. I'm not in the office at the beginning of the day out in the field during the day. And so what would that mean for you in terms of income? How how much you income go down It's are pretty pretty low to help stimulate us to get out and make sales one hundred dollars a day that we get that. Um You know two or three days off. A week is no to three hundred dollars. And then the lack of interaction with people to generate new sales for commission so it can cost upwards of you know five six hundred dollars a week. So if you aren't feeling well how do you run that calculation in your head about whether it's worth it financially for you to take the day off to try and get better or whether you just kind of plow through it and it's still going to work For the most part we try to plow through it I've had this Sort of lingering Head colds coughs everything for the past couple of weeks and decided that with everything going on in the world right now. was definitely affecting my interaction with customers has people. Don't WanNa deal with someone. That has a runny nose or cough right. Now that it for long term Would be more beneficial for me to take a couple days off and try to get completely better so you're going to do that now. You're going to take a couple of days off now to try and get back on the good side. Yeah taking most of the week off Including today you try to get better and get back at. You are sick for a couple of weeks you said before you hit that threshold. Yeah I mean I have a four year old at home so there's a lot of different germs that come through the daycare and they've just been consistent cough runny nose Haven't really had any kind of fever. Anything so wasn't too worried about. It says mid thirties in pretty good health. But how much do finances you talked about? You know how much you would lose in terms of not being paid if you take days off. How much do finances play a role in you making that decision? They definitely play a fairly big role in the decision At least I'm not a single income household so my girlfriend's able to Make a decent salary at her job. And then I usually Do is construction jobs in that to augment my income as it is what goes through your mind when you hear for example. The chief medical health officer in the context of the corona virus spreads. Saying if you don't feel well stay home to prevent the spread of illness. I totally understand it. And that's kind of what's played into me Taking time off is just trying not to spread anything. People with compromised immune systems are at a higher risk of contracting that and having more severe cases. it is something that would be nicer to be able to do on a regular basis for sure. 'cause you know going in with my job. I'm talking to fifty one hundred people in a day. That's those interactions. Every day of the week really add up with the amount of Interactions with people and this continues to spread the krona virus. Are you worried that you might be having to make a decision about staying home more? Even though you're not GonNa be getting paid definitely something that is in the back of my night. I hope you feel better. Rest up story for waking up early But it's important to hear from you. get back to bed and Adam. Thank you no problem. Thank you very much. What Adam Montgomery is a contract worker in Vancouver under the weather taking a couple of days off sick for a different perspective on sick days? Let's hear from an employer. Walter Frankie is the vice president of human resources for leave Allie tools. Walter Good morning to you. Good morning take a look at the situation. That's happening right now. It's not just cold and flu season. You have the grown virus that is spreading. How much of a challenge does this present to Your Business? It doesn't a number of ways right so from a business perspective. It's going to impact the way we can get things like supply chain services heartily from some manufacturers in across the seas From an employer perspective employees perspective. You know employees are concerned as well. We have retail operations across Canada. And so they're saying hey. I'm working with customers. And how should we be doing it? We were very proactive. We looked at Even several weeks ago in started giving some direction you know from a public health agencies. How you take care of ourselves. What should we do? How do we prepare ourselves in? The stores Also practice really good hygiene situations rang. Like how do we take care of ourselves at Lee Valley? How does this work? Who GETS sick days? So for us Fulltime employees are eligible for sedation. They accrue that over the course of the year and they would help get how many Five days a year five days a year. Yeah what about part? Time staff part time wouldn't be eligible for that because Just because of the way they have shorttimer hours you know a couple of hours year a week kind of thing and so how many if you're working part time. How often are you working at Valley Well it varies Generally it's anywhere from one shift seven and a half hours to maybe as much as twenty hours in the week and if you're working those part time shifts and you heard from Adam you know you've been feeling unwell for a couple of weeks anything I need to take a day Or more. They don't get paid. They wouldn't get paid so they would inform your manager. Say Listen I'm not feeling well today. I can't make my shift for the afternoon. And the manager says okay you know. Stay home and let us know tomorrow if they were scheduled as the public health officer says to employers like yourself you people need to be cognizant of what's going on and for employees. If they're feeling unwell they need to take a day or two off work. What sort of conversations are happening in your workplace but how your policy fits or may need to change given what's going on cove nineteen. Yeah it's interesting that you know. We had lots of conversations with our senior team you know. What are we going to do with the covert nineteen no virus coming up? We are looking at it from a very pragmatic approach. Right so right now. Candidates extremely low. There's not that sort of outbreak coming happening in our inner cities. But if someone said listen. I'm really feeling ill. Is that the situation. You know the first thing we would say is make sure you contact your public health. Authorities let them know what it is. Don't go hospital because that's what they want us to do. But then then start instructed and what they should be doing if that person continues to be sick and they said listen. Maybe having it have to go into self-isolation or quarantine we'd certainly look at it and say okay. You know what? If atoms are employees. Might say Adam you know what we understand what? The situation is your scheduled for X. Number of shifts this week. You know. We'll cover that cost. And then we'll see what next week looks like because he may not be scheduled next week so we would be very pragmatic and look at it. We do is we have to take care of our employees and I think that's something that you know from a family ownership. They said something. That's very important to the family. You understand the dilemma. That those part time employees that if they can't AF- You know come into work. Because they're not feeling well but they also can't afford not to come into work because they're not going to be paid. It really puts them up against the wall. It sure does and you know. We feel for that and very sympathetic. We try to see what we can do and see what's taking place You know we're trying to be balancing with everybody along the way because some of our employees not everybody's in Haiti situation where they're working sort of front facing store kind of environment some some positions. They might be able to work from home. But we don't have a lot of that part time employees in that situation So they know they're quite comfortable and being able to. You know work from home if they have to. Why don't your part time? Employees get paid sick days You know what I think we look at it. Matt it's It's a business decision. What do we need to be doing? How do we cover it? Where's the cost associated? What does that mean a business decision? Well we think about retail's a very Very competitive marketplace in you know We rely on the customers and their habits of buying and so we have to be very mindful of our expenses. Meaning that if you were to give a paid sick days two part time employees. That would cost money that perhaps the company couldn't afford it could right so it takes away from investments in other areas to kind of either January customer experiences or provide. You know a better ecommerce web platform something of that nature The one thing that we do with part timers as we do offer some in lieu benefits of sometimes as an example part-timers Don't have vacation days. But we pay them a percentage And we do if they want to. We try to open up our benefit plan so healthcare coverage. But that means. It's a cost Cost Arrangement that they have to pay more. If this continues to your point these are early days in this. Nobody really knows where this is going to go. Although there are all sorts of predictions on one side or the other but if this were to continue and it were the the krona virus spread war to grow. Is there a role that government could play to help out businesses like yours or businesses even smaller than Lavallee To to try and ensure that employees feel as though they can take the day off. Because that's in everyone's benefit. Yeah you know that's It's an interesting point because you know we're not. We don't see ourselves as small certain on large and you know I really. I think we really feel for the small employers as well because they're really struggling with something like this. I think the role of government is to look at it like today. You know they're looking at it from an industry perspective. How are we going to support an industry? That's impacted by these effects of the virus in you know manufacturing found shutdowns. I think from the employees side of it you know. Where does the Employment Insurance Benefits Support that person you know. Could there be a an adjustment to their policy and program that would allow that somebody had to be off for you know a fourteen day period. Could they apply for Benefit coverage under? I think today's standards that they would not necessary. Qualify for. That's something that you think. The government should consider they could. It's an option. I mean again like you said matter. You know it's early days. We're not necessarily in that state but I think I am sure. Government officials are starting to look at those programs. And what's feasible and then again. How do they actually administered? Because you know sometimes we say hey. We'll program we can rule out how you administer it so quickly and that's not always an easy thing to do Walter. Good to speak with you about this. Thank you matt. My pleasure walk you Walter. Prank he is the vice president of human resources for Lee Valley tools. Staying home when you're sick is about more than recovery also ensures that you don't spread germs to your colleagues Stefan. Pickler is from Technical University of Switzerland and has been researching paid sick days specifically how those paid sick days affect the spread of viruses L. Cities and states that introduce mandated sickly four diverse experience. A drop in this flu rates but this suggests to us is that once berkers are paid for staying at home. They are actually taking sick. Leave days when they have to flow and therefore don't bring the virus to the office or even people that they are on the train. Be Fender commuting here in Canada. The rules about sick days or mostly determined by provincial governments. The decision to pay employees. Who are sick. That's up to the bosses of those employees. Sarah Molineaux is an employment lawyer with Molyneaux Law. Sarah Good morning to you. Walk US through. The rules In Canada if you would Sarah What are Canadian workers entitled to when it comes to sick days? Rules and candid is kind of a big question at like you mentioned. Most employees in Canada are provincially regulated. What that means is that we have fourteen different employment law jurisdiction candidate so each province territory and the small number of workers that are federally regulated or subject to different rules here in Ontario where I practice Employees are entitled to three unpaid sick days per calendar year. That's a recent change in a reduction from a previous ten Dane title meant with to pay days so in Ontario. We've seen a reduction but we're in line with about what's average across the country. We see five to three days being pretty common province to province with the best benefits being in a Yukon where you can get Up to twelve days per year Or in Quebec where you can be entitled to two days if you meet. Certain conditions are there any jurisdictions where you are not entitled to any sick days at all there are so Berta Manitoba British Columbia and none of all offer nothing in the way of job protection for basic sick days with research. What does that mean for people who fall sick in those communities? I well it means. You're hoping you have a reasonable employer or that you have an employment contract workplace policies or a collective agreement that provides you something other than the Minimum Standard which many people do although lots of low wage workers do not. These are all unpaid sick. Days is there any provision for paid sick days anywhere in a few provinces there are so in Quebec he can get to pay days in pe. I if you've worked somewhere for more than five years one payday but the norm across the country is unpaid job protection. Only the economy has changed certainly in the last couple of years if not a little bit longer than that and you now have. What's known as the GIG economy people who are contractors? They might be Uber Drivers. They might be food delivery people. What's our recourse do have if they fall ill right and so when we talk about the minimum employment standards there always exceptions and exemptions. The most common exception is that you do have to be an employee. And so people who are being characterized as independent contractors rightly or wrongly are going to be denied those benefits because their employers don't see them as employees and so don't see those minimum standards applying so are uber. Drivers are food. Delivery bike couriers are going to be out on the streets working in order to earn a wage And to keep those positions for those apps despite the fact that they may be exhibiting even serious symptoms. What happens if you how sick days? But you're cautious about taking them. Do you know what I mean that that that you might worry about the repercussions at work. If you take more than a couple of days off. How does that plan and a lot of people are? It's it's a very common question. that we encounter people wondering well if I only have three days. What happens if I take a fourth And the biggest risk really is that you're missing out on wages and you're missing out on those even if you take the three days you're entitled to write a bigger risk is that you may you may lose your job There are protections for employees in certain circumstances so if you're sick day is disability related or related to a childcare obligation. You may have additional Rights under human rights legislation But if you're talking about the flu bad cold I e you're limited to the Employment Standards Act minimums and while it's a rare for an employee to be dismissed over one additional day. It does happen and they wouldn't have recourse to their respective Ministry of Labor. What if somebody has to go into self quarantine or be an isolation because they may have been exposed to something like the Corona Virus? What happens then so right now. Our Employment Standards Act legislation or or equivalent legislation province to province. Doesn't seem to anticipate that We do have some provision for declared emergencies. But when you are in the state that we are now Before we would ever anticipate at an emergency being declared I you. We don't have any measures for job. Protection people are relying on the generosity of their employers which puts people in a very precarious situation. Not Everybody has a good boss to that point. Have listen to Howard Levitt. He's an employment and labor lawyer and here's his take on on businesses giving more sick days perhaps because of a corona virus break. The problem is that employees are often not honest the claim to be sick for mental health days for any matter of real or imagined illnesses or feeling less than perfect and the employer is paying a massive burden that people take advantage of. And it's probably the biggest single source of abuse in Human Resources Law. Sarah what do you make of that I commented employs. Perhaps aren't always honest. But also that this puts the employer is a disadvantage with all due respect to Howard. I disagree. Certainly I mean. Some people are dishonest. Some of the time but your average person is going to get sick during a calendar year. They're going to need some days off of work. And if you don't facilitate that as an employer incurring broader costs so you have people coming to work sick spreading the germs around the workplace on their commute not being as productive while they are at work and potentially need longer term absences. Because they're on this becomes more serious that flew that becomes bronchitis for example when an employee could have rested stayed home and avoided that consequence. So I think it's a short term length for employers to assume that people taking a fourth day sick from work in a calendar year Is a misrepresentation when the reality is. We have hardworking folks. Earning low wages that are struggling to go to work with serious symptoms and making themselves their colleagues and their neighborhoods more sick so in the remaining seconds that we have. What do you think employers should be doing right now? Are there things? Maybe we could learn from from other jurisdictions when it comes to how this is spreading and how employees can be protected. I urge employers to take a reasonable approach and to look at what the public health and medical advice is saying and how that contradicts with basic employment standards. But I think we're making a mistake if we always act reactively to these issues and always rely on the generosity of employers to grant a reasonable exceptions to the rule to employs. What we need is acceptable. Reasonable minimum employment standards because cold and flu season comes around every year. Even if Corona virus does not employees need to be protected. You believe you're after you're exactly Sarah good to speak with you. Thank you thank you. Sorry molineaux isn't employment lawyer with Molineaux Law in Hamilton Ontario for more. Cbc PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.
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"Hey It's Jj you're listening to today's full show podcast. Once you're done with this and you want more John Jane Rich, go to John Jane Rich Dot Com check out our whole family podcast behind the glass of Bill Delaney afterwards, how to become a terrible person with grant and so much more. They're all at Jane Rich Dot, com. uploading the most listened to radio show on the planet. Shades Taylor Swift's with post malone deliver, and you're waking up with John Jay and rich culture the music. This is John J rich on. Jason Rich Culinary. Judging rich phone number's eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, zero, four, seven. Collis. You can jump on the air this right. Now, you can text us, you can text jr in your message to nine six. Eight, nine, three. Today the weirdest thing happens weekend. So Years ago on vacation. Why. I met this couple. And I talked about them when I came back from vacation because we kept seeing this couple everyday the same breakfast place into becoming friends with them we and we had a at going to a Luau the last night we were there with them. And he turned out to be an independent film director and his wife was ushers nutritionist. Remember that. And she she put me on a cleanser. Some sort of I forget what is your online and then as time goes on, she's got on, she was on red table talks What's her name? Pinkett Smith, her thing. And she was she's the smiths nutritionist. And I'd touch base every once and then eight. A drink that was the official drink of. Of coachella festival, right so she's gone undo some big things. She left me a message over the weekend. There was such a random message that if I told you the message. It's It's just they're just so much to this message that I've listened to it over and over again. That wanted to play for you guys. To just so I just I can't send it to my sister because she actually asked for my sister's helping this message with is her Mona is her name listened to the message hold on all how are you sitting here with Craig's? Jay. one. He can help me with something. So Will Smith one of my clients were heading back onto set to film his next movie King Richard Plays Serena Williams dead but we had a chef come on set to cook for his personal crew every single day, and she can't make it back from Toronto, just with everything that's going on. So somebody who kind of falls in line with my philosophy super healthy available who knows like the? Set Life who can work with a budget What we ended up doing was renting a food track and ordering all the food and stuff like that to get catered delivered onto set but with your sister. Just wondering if you had a contact or anyone, you know who I could talk to you about this that would be great i. think we go back mid to end October. Thank you so much love to you in the family I. Guess let me tear my mind. Went I. Okay. I my my win. Will Smith is doing a movie called Sir Richard So. It's like some William Shakespeare play and I'm lake. Will you're making a horrible mistake? And then I'm going and Serena Williams's ping acting like she plays plays Williams Dad. That's where my mind went first right then then then then I start thinking about, okay. They need a healthy chef for a food truck then I went wait a second. Will Smith is probably playing Serena Williams's dad in the movie of Serena Williams. I was like. A good movie. Totally changed your mind. Could be really good and they're calling it Sir Richard, Whatever Sing Richard whatever whatever it is. I was like, wow, that's going to be really good movie because I've already seen a documentary on their life and it's good like he literally had kids to become a millionaire. He had two kids to become tennis players. Did you know that that's how he had he saw who's watching TV and he saw how much tennis players made and he was like I'm going to have kids to become tennis players it'd be a millionaire. that. So that's like if that's the storyline they go with that's pretty damn amazing it. We got sidetracked to forgot to get the league the League chefs for them 'cause I just kept thinking about the storyline of will. Smith People how I'm. Away from Will Smith I'm one person wave. Like nothing like I know I'm client will Smith. What is if she had to like clarify it's like well Smith. So amazing to me so anyway. my sister's looking for. She'd been looking for three or Scheffer tissue. She said she does three chefs perfect for that. But at best they're all very busy. So if you're listening to this broadcast in, you are a very healthy chef. I can get you a job working for Smith message. ME DM. Alto, wonder whether we're at, you can hear the music in the background you didn't get that. Sounds like a like. The party. Yeah So Kyle, why did you think about quitting your social media this weekend? A few reasons actually. So I know everyone in here watched this social dilemma Netflix's and I finally watched it too and it left me very offended because before I watched the Social Emma is like I mean what am I? Really GonNA learn already know that they place ads in their targeted right at you and their whole goal is to like keep you on as long as possible but watching the actual people who are in charge of facebook and pinterest and all of the things online that we spend so much time on like they know what they're doing and they know it's hurting people and they know that it's literally Tearing. Society apart, and they don't care because of the dollar sign that's attached to it, and so I- since watching it have been. So aware of every time I pick up my phone just out of habit to suggest to even like I don't even care. I just xed out of instagram because I've seen everything and then for some reason I find myself back on and I'm like Oh my God it's happening. This is crazy and I had posted pictures of Addy's birthday party and we kept it really small on purpose literally, it was her and to dance friends that we have seen over the last three or four months and. It's interesting because I, kept it small on purpose you know like with covert I don't want a whole lot of people there and these are you know trusted people and in the comments it was like this isn't what Kobe? Bubble. By you guys are breaking the covert rules and there's in that and then it went totally sideways the to I'm racist because she has to white friends. Like okay. See, this is exactly what the socials lemos talking about how it tears people apart and how it's. It's just I just like reached my limit I was like it's so negative and I'm like I just wanted like to have the pictures on there. So I could look at them and I was like I'm just going to delete like my social media because I don't want to deal with the stress and anxiety of having to think about posting a picture of my daughter at her birthday party. Yeah. You know and I'm. Like why would the comments go that way and I just kind of like ignore them a little bit and then I just responded to the one person who was concerned that apparently I don't care about people who have died from Cova because I had a small birthday party that like we kept it small on purpose because of that meanwhile, I'm dealing with texts from a different mom who's upset that her daughter didn't get invited. Pictures. You gotTA. Leave the trolls and the bottom feeders and not not Linda gets you but it's hard to say that. Know and I normally do. It's like I think most of us deal with that on a regular basis and it's just like the one negative comment that gets you but like. I just don't understand how people assume things about your life that they just don't know know on that social dilemma there's this one part and it we're one of the guys goes I. Think one of the I can't remember which one maybe the Pinterest guy or somebody he's a CEO one, the one of the vendors and he talks addict knows the main guy, the main red guy he was addicted email now he's like I'm addicted email I'm just so addicted email and unlike. What how you? That's the last thing that I'm addicted to. Right. So we're driving home yesterday somewhere my wife and I ain't red light and the kids were all the car in she's on her phone and she's on email and there's nothing going on and I was like you need to watch social dilemma Sherzer yet she's like why? Because you're dictate your email there's like nothing going on and just hitting refresh I could see her just doing it doing it over and over again, and she's like Oh your your phone go totally percent I I. Go over there refresh at a red light not there's nothing there like I'm watching you be addicted when you see someone do it. It's crazy or you put your phone down and you turn you go back and pick up your phone. And it's very disturbing. It's on Netflix is called the social dilemma in it's really educational and really eye-opening. All right judging rich even when the show is over sometimes we just keep talking and now you can hear it listen to the John. Jane waits afterwards podcast on Iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. They pressed him. Let's happen. You're on the air. Hello how are you? Wow it is the coolest thing to be here right now. Cool How are you? Good how can we help you? I I'm looking for I want to get in touch with. This girl and I'm hoping that the power of this show will help me out because I'm sorry I'm super nervous. Her name is Laura and I really WanNa take her out and I I kind of want to be her boyfriend and all that good stuff and I was hoping you can help. We've got a little bit of a guideline here because I know you've been emailing with Delaney and Joey and stuff. So you had a crush on somebody. Yes and? She like a CO worker what? She's she's a she's a friend of mine and she's actually. Funny enough. She's actually my buddies extra. Guy, code there is. How good of a buddy? I I mean like he's one of my closer buddies like we. We've known each other since we've known each for at least ten years now, I? Think almost. Like that? Have you talked. I have not. I have not but they've been. They've been split up for ages. They've been split up for at least like six six months something like that like he's sages. Age How long did they? They did it for two years. Serious would just be clear. So you come to us because there's a girl that you like you have a crush and you want us. To connect you with her, you want us to see if she'll go out with you or what? Yes. How did you said her name's Laura Right how did Laura and your friends relationship end? They just kind of stopped dating I never really Kinda delve into my buddies like explanation they one moment they were and the next moment he was. Going home with another check. So it wasn't wasn't one of those things that. It was it seemed to be a massive deal. What what's your take on this? What do you think? We should know I kinda WanNa know what his relationship is. Laura like do you guys have you guys ever talked before you? Would you consider her like your friend right now? Yeah, I. Mean we're we're kind of friends on instagram and facebook and everything like that. I often try like I talked to our show stories and stuff respond to them we we've definitely seen each other out and and sat and had conversations, but that's really about the extent of it. I? Don't know. It's like, I. Feel like you need to talk to your friend before you know China at least text. Well, here's what we're doing. So on on normally on the show like we do like, let's say, let's say like Miss Connections, we would call them up and we will call Laura and say. We have the sky discussions. Why don't we do this? You do all the work. Preston. You can use our show. You can use our show to do it though, but you do the work we'll get her on the phone. We'll get her on the phone and you have to sell yourself to her does that sound good right your show. That has a good ring to it. I. Was Sell Yourself. Shoot show. My Dad's to tell me when I was a kid I wanted like. I. Get a new bike watch new bike. So yourself tell me why tell me why you should get a bike and I sit there i. wish he would shoot your shot son. Wide Shusha that's you shoot your shot Preston. So we need like a timer ready to give you a timer. We'll get more on the phone and we're going to say we get on the phone. We tell her she's on the air and we're going to tell her we have someone. That likes you. Right. We do that. We have someone that likes you and we're going to give them sixty seconds. Sixty seconds is that a good time with that too long seconds sixty seconds to pitch you on whether or not? You should go out with them and be like who is it? Who is it doesn't matter the in that sixty seconds they're going to tell you who they are and they're gonNA shoot their shot and ask you out. How's that Sound Preston? Press does that sound? I arrested. Okay. So in the meantime, we'll take a quick break. We'll get a timer we'll get we'll get Laura's number. We'll get everything all lined up, shoot your shot. Maybe Yet ready trust in to shoot your shot. That is next which Jane, Rich John, Ritz studying rich. We just created something totally new on our show. It's called shoot your shot. Shop Music. Yes press gonNA shoot his shot. No he likes his girl named Laura who happens to be the ex girlfriend with good friend of his they broke up six months ago dating two years really get Laura. On the phone we got a timer. He's got sixty seconds to shoot your shot. So we're going to get on the phone once she accepts that she's on the radio and we set her up and tell her that someone that likes her Preston. You're ready to go. Right? You got to sell yourself her K.. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA ask her out and you're gonNA. Do all itself stuff and we're not gonNA tell you who you are. It's all you you got at Preston. Okay. Yes. You can't study. You've got to be ready to go you like. This is what you want. You there you wanted this Preston remember that you want you came to us. Let's pump him up. Pressure on it. Are you ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. Hi. Patch lower through. Better. Shoot your shot music. That's pretty, pretty strong. To be aggressive. Shoot your shot y'all. Don't. Hello Hi is Laura available. Listen she. Hi Laura Gordon. Hey. This is the John Rich show calling. Oh How are you? I'm doing I'm doing pretty well, how are you? Good that's awesome. So Hey, we wanted to talk to on the radio. It's okay with you. Sure, okay. Okay, Laura You're part of possible new segment on our show that so far we like part one you were part of part two. Okay. So we're calling this right now or working title is shoot your shot. Shoot Your Shot Laura. Here's how here's how it works. A guy has approached. There's a guy that's approached us. He likes you. He wants to ask you out. Okay. So we'll yeah what we've decided to do we're not gonNa tell you who it is. What we decided to do is give him sixty seconds. To shoot his shop and asked you out to everything. He's going to tell you who he is. His say the reasons you can ask he sixty seconds. We have a timer is a time already rich? Yes it is this year the timer. Series now emotional like a superhero dying takes all the excitement out of the. Dramatic. So it's shoot your shot. So are you ready? Are you cool with this? row. Yeah. Okay. So. So I guess we'll say now we have the person ready. So we'll say we'd sit the person's name like say person's name shoot your Shell I. Okay. Okay. Preston shoot your shot. A high Laura. Preston, how are you? I'm to- I. I felt a dumb flavor about you for a long time I just. kind of a massive. but I shouldn't. Never mind not that's a bad turn a freeze I apologize. Anyway, I've been too scared to ask you and I just love to go out with you I. Genuinely think you'd be most beautiful girl. I've seen. And and we get along really well and I think we'd have a lot of fun together. You know if we give Champs I I mean I've got a good job. I. I drive to two thousand, Eighteen Mazda. You know it's it's paid off. I have no student loans I love I like going hiking and. I also. Hang Out Watch? TV We can net flicks but you know you know not in the creepy. I Love You Up. All Right Laura your thoughts Wow. I'm really taken aback, I didn't I had. Well first of all, thank you Preston that. That's all very that was really sweet. I had no idea that you felt that way. some. Sort of shot. I I kinda figured. You didn't really know but you know yeah, I always liked you. Well and idea. I didn't never got that I mean I would go out with you. It's just I. I. Don't know how you know you're really good friends with my with Dalton with my ex and. I mean I get that. But Like it's it's you know it's his fault. You guys you guys. You're not together. You let go good something good and he's moved on you know. And is. Not going well not going. Out with them, it's just the like we we talked about low x situation. But we get along so. I'm afraid that it would. Have afraid that it might be awkward. Just, give me one shot one day. How about just just one date the two of us go out. Hang out. What do you WANNA do? You Know I. I say let's let's do it. Let's just go out. It. If it gets serious as something starts to Boston, and we you know we bring it up to him and we can tell him but. I. Don't think we need his permission. But guess what? Guess what? We lost it. He's got disconnected or. For trying all this time. Trying. You're sitting there trying to come up with it and I think he just gave up. Either got disconnected or he said screw this embarrassed I'm out of here or he decided to call Dolphin. Nervous he said Oh wait here he is. Is Back I don't know. I guess I could call enough. Pressing back. Pressing we we have pretty good Israel you missed out on this. Preston. Hollow, go ahead. Lord. What's your answer? That's an say, let's let's go for it. You know and if something starts to blossom or get more serious than we'll just We'll let the no, but I don't think we need. We don't need to talk to him about right now I've always I've always liked you to i. A little awkward and weird about it but. They, know right now he doesn't know he doesn't call it doesn't need to know. Yes. If it turns into something. You said, you got a client that happened bid see each other a couple of weeks so you'll care it that. Way To go press way to go Laura congratulations. All right we'll be talking to you shortly on second date update on now when she doesn't call you back. then. That's surely your shot. Shoot your shot. Judge Rich. Leave you on red we reply try US TEXT JR Tonight six, eight, nine, three, John Rich so halloween is right around the corner. In fact, I was at two different places this weekend in saw Halloween decorations one was a house that headed outside. We're all swirl so they play twice but there's this company called yeah and either the ones that make all the Halloween costumes, the sexy Halloween costumes. They've released a sexy tiger king and a sexy tiktok is getting banned costume. Okay. But they do draw the line they're not doing a sexy cova costume. The vice president merchandise said there's nothing sexy about Kobe. Draw, the line there that's true. Yeah. So, what's the deal the information with Simpson's and them replacing voices? They just actually started the new season last night and The show's producers said that white actors would no longer voice non white characters such as Carl. Played by Hank. Zara. Boy. I am so sick of everyone assuming I'm good at basketball because African. American. So. Now, Carl has been replaced by an actor by the name of Alex Desert and he made his debut last night. It's a ball that was featured on I'll drink what fills drinking with Phil. Rosenthal. That's your new Karl on the simpsons. Well, also on family guy, they replaced Cleveland. the guy. Mike. Henry did the Voice of Cleveland? He's a white dude and now they have another guy. In here he is doing the new Cleveland. Voice. Hey. So all the new people who are worried that. I'm going straight to away from performance I. Promise. That is not the case because. Studied my main. He's incredible. I won't let you down I promise. Was poppin winning Peter Griffin Nabi racking widow out of Shawnee abby women a booty stop by Deborah stopped you. Got Daddy he'll be winning Rallo gotTa Daddy who spinning so just likely. Little. But dead on INSKIP ABI exactly. So a guy got thrown in jail for a year. For throwing parties during covid nineteen. So he's in Maryland through two large house parties back in March and the COPS said you can't do that. So he kept throwing parties. So finally I said you're going to jail for a year. Time so here is whose personnel here's the the state attorney talking about it I say look it's not like we just surprised him. It was given a warning it's not like everybody just the police swoop dinars it going to jail gave him a warning. He had at least fifty people there the first day and then two three days later he's doing the same thing in the second day. Of the mind that he's not gonNA cooperate. He's GonNa tell people keep them using plan. These decisions were made for the public good for people safety. We've got two hundred thousand people dead because of the attitudes that Mr Myers demonstrated that particular day. Aren't year a whole year. Like you would think, maybe a five thousand dollar fine. For the whole year I don't think that's were worth it. Suze. What's what survivor horoscopes today about what you enjoy doing when you're completely alone based on your horoscopes sign call us at eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, zero, four, seven. We'll get to that next John Rich. Let's get to horoscopes would go with. Shannon. Hello Chanel little. Gemini how are you? great. How are you guys doing today? Good today Suzanne. What is it? This is what you enjoy doing when you're alone based on your horse signed. So what is it that you do during me time and it could be like a guilty pleasure to so let's see for Gem Nation Age what you enjoy doing alone Gemini is listen to music you pride yourself on your taste in art. So when you're spending time with yourself, you listen to some strange music that's out there. Some say that's guilty pleasure most geminis have at least one song or artists on their play lists that no one has ever heard about this sign likes to explore and listen to absolutely everything they're alone. That's all something. I would do nothing nobody else is ever heard Dad's in Lee I would love to see your plane they. Don't forget a guilty pleasure I'm guilty. Arch, they have a great day. Pat. What's your sign? Gordon Scorpio's all right. So I feel is what you enjoy doing alone is read everyone knows this sign is very passionate and romantic. Now they truly enjoy the company of another person. But when a Scorpio's time into bed at nine at night and his alone, they love to curl up with a romantic novel. They enjoy reading about other people who are passionate just like they are. Wow, that's one hundred percent accurate. Love that Ruby. What's your sign? Agitators. Sagittarius Okay Rubio Sagittarius just like Delaney will you enjoy doing alone is over preparing We Know Sagittarius love to travel, but they're not the best planners sign this signs guilty pleasure is buying a necessary thing sometimes travel supplies even if it's not about traveling, this line can buy too many outfits for an event in the future in the future just to be prepared to preparing is good but this needs a little help with overdoing it. I remember dealing with all kinds of outfits like when quarantine like Colbert just began it. She's like I. Don't even know what I'm going to use these outfits for we're not going anywhere the fashion show for. Right. Piper. Go what do he got that'll John Jay for you? I don't know if you will necessarily agree with this. But if you enjoy doing alone is drinking at says, you're always trying to be the best and you work really hard. Therefore when you get home, you sometimes just want to unwind. So a virgos guilty pleasures going to be a little bit of booth it could be a nice glass of wine or maybe some whisky. You just need something to help you relax when you're finally finished working for the day. Never done that. Rigging Drake I remember. Fascinated by people who'd go to a bar by themselves the WHO does that? homages. Drink. Wine. Your Wife. Blake, she loves wine. Have Line I don't know she's like. Loves wine. Like I thought you were going to say I like to do terrible things to myself with a fork. Would you deny that though? I'd be like Oh, my God. Do. Be All alone. I just thought wow, that's really time. I've I've seen horse. Go back. Yeah. They could. You imagine everything over go out there doing that when they're alone. Alvarez like yeah. Thank you for being our voice. Oh John J. You never super. You always surprise me. Never. Ever. Seem to amaze me and there you go. Okay. Oh. For Libra will you enjoy doing alone is emotional eating. This sign is always trying to make sure that you do everything right you work on keeping the peace and making people happy. Therefore at the end of the night when no one is looking libra tends to grab whatever's in the fridge and just eat their feelings away. Emotional eating is what libra go-to and no one is around to judge them I would not agree with that when I'm emotional I don't eat. Oh, it's the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. Just thing. This. Island. Maybe maybe I don't know maybe that maybe maybe like the stressor aloneness as with I don't I don't know. When you are alone like what is this something that you do? Just like listen to music or watch TV. Okay. You have before you just. Zone out with music. You know what I'm feeling a little. I'm feeling a little gym today. This is getting. Rich Pisces enjoy doing alone is eating unhealthy foods to go, and we know this is very creative and artistic Pisces love to create beautiful things just from the raw-materials materials. However, you're guilty pleasure. Pisces are store bought baked goods when you feel like you don't have the time and you're completely alone, you rather eat whatever is there. That's true. In fact, I'M GONNA. Shop Grocery shopping yesterday to the actual store and I bought like one of these little cakes for my kids in there there around I won't touch it. But when everybody's gone. And Capricorn, and what you enjoy doing alone is eating the weeds. The sign is known to be very responsible and very serious everything you do has they function and purpose they're constantly trying to better themselves and don't easily give in to temptation except when it comes to your sweet tooth when no one is looking to go all in for the cookies and the ice cream and the cake, the this I don't necessarily agree with that because I don't have a sweet tooth. I'm sure other capricorn do but I'm like a rather go grab a bag of chips than in finish the entire baggage salty stuff is my go-to. That's my guilty pleasure. Battles Salty the line Tito's. This yesterday, a whole bag of duckie's this weekend cooking. The Blue One o those go with a box of those mouse. I mean a box is taller you in room. Kidding you when I tell you that saw Scott. I gotta give I. GotTa. Get My blood tested today. You know. So you can't you can't can't eat. Now you know what I mean and I don't can appointment. There's no my wife's like just walk in. Right. So I don't know how long that's going to take going to be miserable, right? So I can't eat any get off the air. Just. saw this thing about. How a wake up things that people do to wake up in the morning already took a cold plunge, but the number one is listening to music going for walks going through social media. Already I've already done all that drinking a glass of water, turn the lights on wash your face, a cold water I, took my whole body cold water. Shower brush your teeth and the number one thing to wake up in the morning. And he guesses anyone's who's edited guesses jump around. No. No rich thing drink coffee. Not. A. Natural ways. Energy drink drink coffee to get my blood tests. Probably. Would raise everything it raises your blood pressure. GonNa Conference through things we need to know well, animals may not appreciate a covert vaccine. I'll tell you three things you need to know next to a John Jane rich when the show is over, we just keep talking and now you can hear listen to the John Jay Enrich afterwards podcast on iheartradio or on I tunes south of the show today I got to get my blood tested and I was concerned of what I can eat drink in Heidi knows, Heidi? What can I drink? Walking have coffee with black. What about energy drinks? Law, that wouldn't that wouldn't be the same but lots of water because that definitely helped. Coffee so gross. Black Coffee. Thanks Heidi. Thank you very thanks. What do we need today? Okay. So it was a big day over the weekend president trump nominated judge Amy Kuney Barrett to the Supreme Court trump hailed her as a woman of remarkable intellect and character Obviously, she will fill the seat vacated after the death of Ruth. Bader Ginsburg well, experts are saying that around a half, a million sharks may be slaughtered in an effort to make. A Corona virus vaccine. So I guess sharks actually make this oil in their liver that is already used in some medicines including the flu shot and also is used in some of the candidates for a Kobe nineteen vaccine out they say if one of those particular vaccines are used worldwide experts believe two hundred and fifty thousand sharks will need to be slaughtered to provide one dose for each person. Now on Sunday yesterday. I got to lighten up a little bit because get a little heavy, right. So if you were watching NFL football, he may have noticed something totally random and kind of fun in the stands. At the Broncos game you would've noticed literally the entire city of South Park characters, stage, melting, large portion of their dance with them There were actually about five thousand human fans in attendance but along with them was you know respect and I thought. Even, the devil was there, they were all there. Probably never to promote Wednesday comedy central's airing an hour long south park pandemic special but still kind of fun and random to see you know what I mean have fun with empty seats about three things you need enough to get into any TV and movies I saw a movie this weekend. That, on the surface so is going to sound silly but it is a game changer like it hit. My wife was making fun of me for watching this movie. Now I'll tell you. How I stumbled upon this movies, there's a mix up of how I stumbled upon this movie but this movie blew me away and I recommend it to every single person every single person John Dean Rich. We'll tell you about this movie I saw. And if anyone saw this movie, please call impact me up. It's on Netflix. Called my octopus teacher. Okay. Preview. I hadn't even heard of that. Okay. If you've seen it call eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one. Oh, four, seven now. Let me explain. With my son Dutch and we were swimming in the Pool, he says Dad I would pick up free diving. What's that? He's I guess we just go underwater you hold your breath you down. He's like I. saw this on Tiktok. This guy goes underwater and he's like friends with this octopus. And like Oh, that's cool. So anyway, he he's telling me about it. Cut to I'm with one of those on board moments. Right turn on Netflix to see what's on. And a see the scenes says my octopus teacher. How would you turn it on the preview starts to play. I'm like Oh. This must be the thing Dutch saw. And I, thought he said Tiktok what he probably meant. Netflix. And I thought. Wow my son. Like stopdown out of video games out of whatever in watched this movie second hour and a half documentary on this guy, this octopus. And I couldn't believe that he did that. So I thought I'm going to sit here and watch it. So I started watching this movie. It's unbelievable. So here's the story. This guy is from South Africa. And he grew up in this little place. There's a little cove. And it's beautiful this cove and he goes swimming snorkeling day and he slows down to the bottom of this little cove and he sees his. And he's the I. Guess He's out of work or something. So he goes. I'm going to go down there every day and check on this octopus. So he sets a camera down there and the octopus fills goes over the camera and films in touch the camera, right? In every day, this guy goes no matter what happens every day this guy goes out in films and films octopus. And develops a connection with this octopus. And like has feelings for this octave and the octopus is the same like octopus like comes out and trust him now swims with him and plays with him. Everything touches his face, and and then like there's predators that come after this octopus like a shark attacks as with A. Rips this octopus. Armagh. In, each his arm and he's got all the footage of the shark ripped his arm off towards the camera with the arm in it, and like an octopus is skin color is down you think. Die, and also he sees weeks later and it gives you the date will say fifty four days seventy, five days of every day, and then all of sudden you see little stuff starts growing back knocked his arm grows back like Kurt. About Ryan And then he just follows his life, his October, and then a huge shark comes after his octopus again and he's follows whole story the octopus and it has like a sad ending. And then it's like and I'm a little. Sad. And bummed me out and then so I went up the Dutch dinner last night and I'm like Mike Man Dutch I watched the my teacher octopus, these I. Think. It's a tiktok video about a guy in Hawaii I said, no, no is the movie on Netflix about the guy. South Africa. knows. A couple of guys in Hawaii, the free diving in the grabbed and octopus. It's on, Netflix. He's is on Tiktok. and. It goes to show you and he graduates Tiktok, his phone and each shows me this little tiktok video these dudes that are just jumped around in Hawaii and the grabbing octopus having his hand like chicken all. And it's like totally what I was watching. That I had as maisy moment with my teacher octopus teacher Oh. Right? Right. What what do you think of Octopus Teacher That my five year old with me Saturday and he actually put one on the House I thought it was really awesome. I got on there and I found the director and I said the Director Message Lalo. Like the and then the Octopus Fan Club of the world jammed me back and said, hey, next job. Actually. Ninety six percent on rotten tomatoes from the audience. But no none from like the critics. I don't think. It's unbelievable I'm telling you guys go out of your way and see this. You'll. I knew nothing about octopuses not even from finding dory I mean Hank was a Septa pus. It's uncomfortable. In this guy, he's talking about octopus and starts crying when you see the end of this movie. It's it's an I want at one point with activists got lost his arm and was dying. He thought this guy you know how these guys they don't break nature. They don't want to interfere. She's like cracking open lobster or cracking open oysters and feeding the octopus, right? So. Yeah, and then and then it's like then there was a point where I thought he should have stepped in and he didn't step in. Ju It's an unbelievable movie. It's called my. Teacher. It's Netflix and I can't stop thinking about. In. A million years that a you'd even watch that let alone be interested and then be so affected by it. I'm telling you why because I thought Dutch watched it. Should make you watch. Over. Anyway, so where are you guys on Ratchet I finished a and I thought the ending was pretty good at I think a season to definitely coming for sure it doesn't end Cuckoo's nest. Okay now you fish two. Dead but I did not. Still have like a half an hour. So this show. It goes somewhere kind of boring to episodes, but then kinda comes back and they. Okay. Now I'm okay with Being Board for episode or two because they came back strong lots of people die. You. Hook the entire time that was really good show. I really enjoyed the acting like just the actors themselves. The story was pretty messed up, but it was it was fascinating. Well, I started the this is the show about the insane asylum. It's a Prequel to one flew the coop snacks and has called ratchet. It's about nurse Ratchet There's a scary moments in it where I feel like I can't I don't WanNa, watch it night sailing, watch it in the daytime because I don't want to have any kind of bizarre nightmares. So actually had a little bit of a nightmare by the last night, but my nightmare was mostly me trying to mother-in-law to watch it. It was. And she would watch it. I don't know it was a dream, but I'm at least it wasn't about that. She didn't respect your TV credit dream and that killed you. I'm at the part where. They boil that woman. That's where I'm at right now. Little. Yeah. So but I did also watch episode six, the Boys Oh keep getting better and better. You could but it's just like these crazy just twist. that. Show is so good. I think you'd like it. and. If you don't like it I mean there's one I if I tell you about this one scene, the guy with the huge penis. I didn't see that. That's just the crazy thing about the show. It's they things you would never expect never expect, but it was laugh out loud galerias. Funny. and. It was really well done. How many episodes are there six hundred? Foreign on on that show and it is really disturbing. But also Hilarie I look forward to I'm so you know it's actually I'm okay with just getting one week because it is a lot. When you see one episode, you're like, what did I just to watch? So it's kind of. Like way for the other one, sister told me to watch in Nola Watson and that's number one on the flex right now. Yeah. That's a movie though not a series. Oh, it's a movie. Yeah I believe. So Oh I don't know I started watching sneaker heads juicy stiegler heads. Watching that Number ten. Watching it over the weekend. It's okay. It's okay. It doesn't me hooked just yet. Anyway. So speaking of TV, we get into TV because we want to get into the TV that messed you up right 'cause ratchet missed you. Oh Yeah. Oh, yeah. I want to hear about the sleepless next really kept me up. Okay. We're going to get into that next John Jane Rich. Taxed. We don't care text Jj and message tonight six, eight, nine three or so the number one show. NETFLIX's right. Now it's ratchet nurse Ratchet. It's a scary bloody grizzly show. It's a dark show by the same people who do American horror story. And it's messed up rich right it's messed you up. You know in fact, the last show to mess me up was season one of American horror story. So it's the same people they must know how to get me and I don't want to give away too much of the plot but I'd say there was one of the nights we'd have to get up super super early. So I watched about three or four of the episodes. Back to back. So you get sucked into this entire world that they have this assane saint asylum. That's a former SPA in the nineteen forties or late nineteen forties, and there's something that just when I think maybe nurse Ratchet might have some conscious tour. She takes somebody who's totally innocent. All they did is witness a murder and she makes him incapacitated for the rest of their life in the gross way possible and I couldn't sleep. I know it's fake I know I know talking about when she with? That part guy that got me way so far the show has it messed me up. Yeah. Messed me up with that show I an I mean I in in what messed me up is rich told me about it I. So I knew it was coming in I was terrified that it was coming and then when I saw, it was terrifying to to me this little things that messed me up and this is the part when Sharon stone goes to feed her son and he's got no arms and legs. I'm right I and I was like. He's got norm two legs. He's in bed and he's screaming that he wants dessert I that stir the hell out of me. Late Parts hearing you guys say that makes me watch it around noon and I'll watch it for fifteen twenty minutes. I don't like scary movies and what sucks is I told you guys about the show I did. That's what sucks. I like like I think about shows or things that I've seen that have messed me up and I I go straight to the most recent one which was golden state killer that documentary the. Finishing. Yes. That women and stuff that gets me like I. This is the first serial killer show that I haven't been able to finish not because it wasn't fascinating because it was. So terrifying will the other show SPF is on the other side of that is the movie just watch the octopus teacher. Up in a in a different way. It's I got emotionally attached. If you guys take an hour and a half out of your day and watch this movie, the octopus teacher it's GonNa give you a different perspective on how we are all in this together I, want I sound like an airline. Are, like we are when you go swimming in the ocean like you're part of it. It's it's it's an amazing. It's an amazing movie about the world and animals and how we are all one. It's beautiful. It's beautiful at the end of it. I was a mess. But when you talk about shows, mess you up though there's one movie, the One TV show, it's the killing season one, the season, two of the killing. On Flex. Then, it's this guy in the car talking to his counselor. He's a homeless kid he's talking to his counselor. and. Having this conversation about south and he's like I'm doing great and he's okay great. The counselor says to the kid getting the back seen take off your pants and he goes I'm not gay and he goes neither mine. and. Then cut to the next scene and it just so disturbing your mind where your mind goes there. Those are the ones that are the most disturbing things at all because your mind has to go someplace, they lead you down a path and it's like that is so dark. So dark. So we want to hear from you about TV shows or movies that messed you up. Eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, the scene I just talked about the killing has nothing to do with the show at all. That's what. has nothing to do with old show. Eight seven seven nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, one here from you next John Rich. Leave. Your. A. Real. Quick. Before we do this, the Mariah Carey thing. Yeah. The mercury thing. Oh, which one. Is the one where she has. She had an alternate album. The ran up like back in the day she actually recorded an alternative song and when you hear it, you have to go really but when you listen closely you mariah. Makes Sense it was. It was the time of Atlantis Morissette where like she was all over the radio so it makes. The because I felt like Pearl Jam in Nevada there. Yes. She said she was grunge inspired but I mean like there was some there was some cools lantis. was everywhere back then. That was her alter ego nineteen, ninety six. still on Amazon? Might get. Why should we want to know about what TV shows or movies messed you up? Richard Pretty messed up by seen from ratchet, which is on Netflix right now shelby. What messed you up? With cat. Budget scenes from there in fact but when you say that I have one goes in my head, but which one was for you. So for me well, I love cats are my favorite animals I've choose. So I was like holding them him like near dear to my heart when this happened. But when he puts the cow on the end of the room before he put it in the bath, you could just see the fear in it is. I I couldn't sleep for like a month and a legit had to go to therapy. Yeah. You're was for me is when you see him in the security footage, go into. Complex with the guy and he walks out, he kills a guy and you walk out wearing the shirt. Yeah That was crazy. Show is terrible. It was terrible right? Thank show. Sarah, what movie or TV show Messed you up. It's a movie called Gone Baby. Gone Yes. Casey Affleck in it. No it's it's been. It's GonNa come back. Gone Baby Gone. What's that GONNA fight girl? Yeah Oh God be gone. That's the depressing. One right is that it's really really depressing. I know that one I know the story of that one I. in fact, I knew the story I decided not to see it it because the storyline. But yeah. Really. Messed you up. it's just a question in the end of what is right for Bronx like is it it better that this little girl is taken from a drug addict mother or is she better better off with this person who took her So for me, it definitely was I think she should have gone back and social services should taken over but it's just what I talked to. They have different opinions about it your. Lisa saw my office teacher. Thank you. Lisa what do you think first of all that that messed you up to. Yes in a positive way and I was just calling to back you up. It's an amazing movie and I wanted to share about it when I first saw it. But I thought it just sounded so silly like it's not an occupancy. MAZING beautiful but I just I wanted to back you up. I was so glad to hear you say that it's it's it's a beautiful movie. You know what? I don't know how it works with Academy Awards, but I think it'll win an academy award. Ted It's amazing. Tell you this. I still think about it I saw a couple of weeks ago and it's just it's such a just it moves you and just the relationship that they build and and he actually is a films at film director film artist and he was really depressed and that's why he was going underwater every day and and just, and even the ending even at Saturday's as it is like I I agree cried. it's still like it's still like quick in a sense Specht. So beautiful. Wanted to back you up, take you take the I. It's like I WanNa talk to talk I don't WanNa ruin the ending but I have these thoughts like I felt like he could have done stuff. Do you know what I mean? Like I wanted I wanted him to like put her into the. You know what I mean is it sad does your octopus teacher become your Calamari appetizer at the? No no not not. No it's just it's so traumatic. It's it's such a beautiful movie. It's just so it's so well done. There's no movie like it. Too long ago to four of when it came out of beautiful day. This Kovic. Steph. Sensitive No. But I can tell you that I, my estrogen levels of through the roof right now. Fact. You. Do Scares me. But I know where this is going. But I, promise you you. If you see this movie, it's a it's a it's a life changing movie. It's so good. Anyway thank you Lisa. And what movie messed you up for TV show. Or is the trials of Gabriel Fernandez Oh yeah up. Yes. There are so many of them out that would outline was terrible. Horrible it's so sad. Just thinking about it makes me emotional. Message to. Explain would cry yes and it made you like I. Don't know about you. But it made me like faith in our system Absolutely. It's a one person who's supposed to love you the most betrayed you and it's such a beautiful little boy and just speak on and to see everything was just so emotional every day is that still on somewhere streaming. Try It. Actually. I think that disturbed you John Jay so much you it would watch. Not There yet where I can just. Do that I have to when when I know what the story lines about it's just terrible. Yeah thanks Sarah What about you what what? TV Show or movie messed you up. it came out a long time. It was called the cell with Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Lopez. And the pretext is they have this machine that you can get into and it gets you into the mind of another person and they go into the mind of a serial killer to try to find his victim that he's got. That he's being held hostage and he's in a coma, it is visually amazing and stunning. But the things that like Jennifer Lopez is the one that goes into this killer's mind and you see and it was so disturbing that after that my roommate and I had to watch dude, where's my car just to not? True. Found Fascinating Thank Sarah Thank you Susan what movie or TV show messed you up. uncut gems that I don't stand liver. It's just it's so dark. You can't root for anybody and at the end, they just need to shower in a hug. Clark got halfway through that visit. Will they what? What? What is it because the anxiety or just bad people It's the anxiety about people. It's loud. It's I mean I know it's intensive dramatic for man it's just You just feel icky at the end of it and it is hard to see Adam Sounds Bat. Exactly. Gilmore you do feel like, okay. I need to get away from this in watch something else. John Jane, rich use your phone. The way it was originally designed to be used talking to other humans call us at eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, John Jay and rich Laura. You're on the air. Thanks for holding out. I just wanted to say that I, love shoot your shot i. really think that you should. You know open it up to anyone really who wants a shot at anything? I think you said it best John J like when you were a kid, you had to like sell yourself for the things that you wanted. So I think that would be a great segment. Okay. So opened up. So other than wanting to ask somebody out what else is there a promotion? What do you think Laura yes. A job. like if you wanted to. Do something and your husband didn't want to like you can help put him in you know get him or you know if it's like a teenager and he wants to do something and his parents you know on the lying about it like shooter shoot. Sure your shot like, why shoot? Why do you deserve the new X. box or the playstation five? That's good. Okay. We could do you know shoot the poop that can be podcast where we talk. Another one. s while. Next. Okay. That's good. Okay. Very. Good. All right. Thank you like okay. Now here's we're GONNA get into? An the reason we're going to get into this this next thing is of Suzanne and Mr Baby Explain Susannah. So why we were talking about this the other day, but Mr Baby was like, do you remember what you spent with your first paycheck because I remember my first paycheck I thought I. Was Bolland like little over one hundred bucks and I ate out all the time Oh spotting my friends I came in get whatever you want on the Menu I. Got You. He was so excited about that and I was like, what did I do with my first paycheck and I told them that because my first job was in and out Burger? And you have to buy your white pants that you wear. So I told him I was like I with my first paycheck I got another pair of white pants. I had to buy my shoes and the rest of the money was for gas because I, it was like a forty minute drive to work, and so he looked at me like with like his face was just sad he's like that is that's horrible. That's what you spent your first paycheck on l. you're so responsible. And if. I. Didn't think of you know buying anything crazy. So he was just so bummed out for me. So other than rent and bills, right? Yes. What did you spend your first paycheck? God that because as soon as you said that I, know I know exactly because I lived with my parents and then I got a job like my first real paycheck and I know exactly what I bought and I still haven't. I still have it to this day I. Look at it almost every day. I'll tell you next eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, zero, four, seven, we want. What did you buy with your first paycheck? John Jane Rich. Was the first thing you bought with your first real paycheck. CLEO. Hi. My. Mom's taking my cellphone away. Then she paid the bill and also with my with my first check I went and got a cute little cricket now phone six hundred take away from anymore. Thanks cleal. Nick how about you? I thing you've already paycheck. My engineering paycheck we were going to fort peaks free in Tempe Arizona. Driving my girlfriend had just gotten a brand new car three days old pink cars that she absolutely loves this car and I made a wrong turn and I made me go into this dark area where I made a u-turn now does making you turn a biker ran directly into the car broke his bike, broke my girlfriend's brand new car and how to pay for the car to get sick and the biker. Fact. Got Pay paid. I got. This. I didn't even I didn't even get my first paycheck yet gave coming the next week. So I work hours and my paycheck for something the next week but it's fine. We're still in a relationship. Six. So we're. Just drive pink car. No she sold it and got a jeep which I do like more theft. She has a pink cheap, but always wants tour. I think. Hey. Porsche. You're on the air. With my birthday Jack a tattoo that I got done in a garage that I hit from my mom I two years. Garage. Yeah, Gary. I was sixteen but you know. Tattoo. On my shoulder, it's a hard aground. It's a band I used to listen to when I was in junior high and high school. and. I look at it every day I mean it's a little bit of a regret but I I to my first paycheck emperor, Tattoo who's the band. It's called him. I do not listen to them anymore. They changed other her FDR. Latino Them. I'm Richard you're on the air. What did you get with your first paycheck? So my first. One hundred and twenty seven dollars and my mom and dad made he pay for my rental Tuxedo from my cousin's wedding which one hundred and eight dollars You'll never forget that. No I don't know. Richard Thanks J. Junior year on the. First paycheck would you get what you by? Junior. You're breathing. All right anyway. So my first paycheck, so I had I had to. Two Jobs, my I was at the check cashing place, right so cash checks all through college to get my way through school, and then my first radio job. So I had to first paychecks if you will. To major purchases with my first paycheck first paycheck. I bought. And from what? I understand from people that this is very valuable now. About Nineteen ninety-two because it was in nineteen, ninety two. I bought a Schwinn Bicycle Beach cruiser a Schwinn and I still have that in my garage now are I mean they're they're? Solid to Schwinn beach cruiser in. It's awesome in. It's still awesome and sometimes my son gets on it and right rides it and I get a little emotional This is like man about that. Get your ass off my bike. That kind of emotional. Let's get on it. And then. This just came up the other day. I bought. With my first radio paycheck I bought a custom surfboard. It cost me six hundred bucks and I still have that in my garage. It was awesome and the reason it came up the other days because the guy who made my surfboard. I met somebody that knows him and I was star struck because the guy used to design surfboards and my dad's apartment complex and I would watch him designed surfboards. I was someday I wanna make enough money where you can design my surfboard he was right and and I would watch him make surfboards and finally. Six hundred bucks and I had it and he designed my support he put his name on it and it's like I know. But in the surf world, it's kind of a big deal. This guy except now he quit needed makes he makes kites reports or what do you call it, Kite, surfing. In Hawaii and Australia now, and you still have that still have this report, but it's old and it's like it's gross. But it is sentimental. I took it surfing a couple of years ago. And people looked at me weird. Surfing, is changed. You got a lot of stuff in your garage do. Is the biggest problem I wife wanted to clean out the garage weekend and I was like come on, we're in the middle pandemic. Anyway. My son wanted to go to eat at this restaurant yesterday that I didn't WanNa go to can we go to so and so and? We're GONNA. Move a pandemic. Like. Let's get tacos. anyways sell. In case, you don't know the way things work at the radio station. You know we got Joey Brad Fischer Audio Ninja, engine the back. And then we got new Guy Nick right new guy nick backs up Joey. and. Nick. Listens to every single thing that happens on the show and then whenever one of us on the show has like a crutch or something, he highlights it. And he collects audio. and. What you think is. A. Ton Of minority does he said he's working on a bunch yours I don't know if this is on you but he says he has a new one. He's got a new montage. We don't know who it's about but the last time he was here, he said he had a whole bunch on. So New Guy Nick has a new audio presentation on somebody on the radio. So we'll find out next with John Jane rich the full show podcast the afterwards podcast and more from the Johnny Rich Network searched John Jay enrich on itunes or I her radio. By New Guy, naked studio audio of our audio guys, and he is captured something and he's made something. Going to make us feel insecure. Okay Nick What are you got? Hey, guys. Do you WanNa talk about crutches today? Talk about crafts purchase go ahead. Audio crutches. So, this one is you know. God Love You John Jay. Album I have. been noticing this over the last couple of weeks specifically, I John runs a show and there's a million things going on at a time I any time he's resetting there's something he says. All right. All right. All right. All right. Up to. This. Generous. Argue play game. The horoscopes. Time for arts time for Life Hack. Signed a place who sets game? Owen said by I want to get into. With you guys so. All right. Thank you. Never know. I. I have because a lot of times. Bill Delaney will send over teases for me of what I'm going to say and these a lot of times if you guys can scroll up here and see that they'll. All right. Alright right. So Starts so so Are you pulled? Say Right amount for me sometimes to say a say it on my own all the time too. But I'll look at it and but I'm wondering if they're writing it because that's how I talk. Mean is another one. Percents. Good Pool Bone Dick. Was Good Show I. We always played twice. So go ahead. Right. All right. All right. All right. Let's get, into Ellen DeGeneres. Argue play game. The horoscopes? Time for arts time. For Life Hack. Signed A place WHO SETS GAME Owen said. I want to get into bio tries up with you guys so. Thank you mick. Also have an okay. Okay. Yeah Yeah. Listen those. Again, there's so much that I have now. My transition, a third transition from one segment to the other. Because I'd go. All right. Thank you nick today. Places. Game Beach Suzanne. So. If you can identify hit songs on the radio justice, fast issues map then you can win it. We're GONNA. Play that next judging rich. play, beaches an Kelsey. In High Kelsey. Shoes that's the host is that how do we play I? Play Very Popular Song for you. You get to here for a couple of seconds. Then you tell me the artist and the title of the song before the Buzzer I can give you two point. You can also get one point if you just give me the title or the artist, but there is a theme tied into beaches them today, and that's a car theme. So you'll hear the song. If you remember what car they mention in that Thong, you will get an extra point. Okay you. And you can. You can wait after the buzzer low give me you know the type of car that they mentioned. So you know be lenient with that. Are you ready? Kathy? We're GONNA. Start the game with John Jay's. Songs that? And I don't know my back I. Think the talk about my back. That is Jay Z. Re Anna and Kanye that's run this town and the car that they mentioned is Raffour. Grab. A good about that. I thought they said rat what do you think wrapped four? Yeah. What do you think I rap for put China row four. But you got Jay Z. so John J you are on the board with one point up next is rich. Friends in. The. To Halsey Never. It's Halsey. 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You got one point by saying the chain smokers are I. So we got John J. Rich tied with one point. Kyle has two points round to back over to John Jay. Don. T know what the Hell's us on Old Town road. Yordano it's because he he gave. Billy Ray Cyrus. He gave a car was it a Ferrari? He gave them a Maserati. Gay Car. Gave me call. For, SH-. He got old town road right before that. You didn't say. He did okay. Okay. All right. All right John John the lead away three points very nice up next is rich. Box. that. Never. A Taylor Swift. That is. But. The the car she mentions is, of course, an old Ford truck. Chevy truck just. Sorry my daughter if you're listening. Should know this. Oh, he met at your. Her she made a country playlist and it's like all Taylor swift and blink. Nothing else. Maybe came Brown. Yeah. So it is Taylor swift fungus called Tim McGraw. McGrath. Rich has two points. Kyle over to you tell them well. Down I have an enemy. Fights. Bill S. WE'LL call why you brought it. Really. Yeah I'M GONNA get a zero on this one. I. Am going to make a wild guess of UH. Whip. Something that rhymes with whip. said. That's actually what Cardi B. and. The whip PLOP. Cardi B. Making the salient and they mentioned a mack truck debt. Big. To go to Disney. that. Super. Dirty. Sorry Kyle, we have a rich Kyle tied with two points John. Jay has three points played cathy. If you get three points right here, you will have four and you will be John Jay okay. Right. All right. Good luck. As we own a block. Seven Fifty in Utah Snow. Trunk into front that. That is while by Post Malone and they mentioned a whack. Got A. Nice Job Kelsey. I thought you. So putting my brain starts going to think about other cars and other songs have cars and I can't. There's one. lose one and it was it was a hit was in talks about like a Toyota Camry what funds we like rappers that are always Bugatti and lamb bows and my back's when they talk about a normal car. That's. What? I thought for sure you would use Rockstar with Purple Lamborghini too obvious for this game. That's actually the tiebreaker. Right? There is the separable Emmer Games. Guinea you're thinking of the thinking of the actual purple. Rick, Ross We in the news hotel. COTY. I woke up. Yeah. Risk if somebody car songs. Yeah there's there's Mustang, Sally. You want to go in your Mustang. So many hang sally now be tried to go. You'll be hearing it now you're listening to. I had a couple random things I. saw about. Did you hear about these social influence influence popped using a studio in L. A. Look like they're inside a private jet? Lame Guy Pennsylvania used a drone to drop explosives near his ex's house has been sentenced to five years in prison or. Someone on Tick Tock recommended that everyone in generations get a matching tattoo. And he didn't realize Vega Swastika. So no one. Got It. It's see the city of Lake Jackson Texas is warning people not to drink the water after a brain eating Amoeba was found in the water supply to tip. Yeah. Don't you? Real Janeiro has delayed its carnival parade in February because of the pandemic first time it's been delayed since nineteen twelve when he was suspended after the death of a top politician. A congressman in Argentina has resigned and listen to this with shame. He was seen kissing his girlfriend's bare breasts during a remote session He didn't realize things broadcast on YouTube. Nobody told his. Co., how are you? been. Privy to that greeting. A couple in Italy. Met In March when they started talking from their balconies, face each other. they live in Verona Italy. So people started calling them the real life Romeo and Juliet because we're talking about Kenny favor on and it looks like the couple were have a better ending though because Romeo Juliet Marine died. Because I just got engaged. And the sequel to bore at two is coming out. Do you see what the name of it is? The sequel called Borat. Gift of pornographic monkey to vice premier mikhail pants to make benefit recently diminished nation of Kazakhstan. No Way. That's. Title. Yeah boy at vs member what borough one was called. It was called Bora at cultural learnings of America for make benefit Glorious Nation of Dan. So that was we just call the BORAT. So everything to call Borat to probably yeah for sure Yup. Tino TIKTOK is saved yet. Again, I'll tell you three things you need to know next with John Jane Rich. Now back to John Enrich cowed, we need to know. Explain its own little game of survivor. So last night, a judge actually blocked the federal ban talk which was set to start at midnight. This is what will be removed from the APP stores they wouldn't be able to do updates anymore. So for now, you can keep talking until a full court hearing that hasn't been set yet happens. Thought, they had a buyer. The buyer at the sale has not gone through and it hit the deadline last night. I know that's what I'm saying it's like a little game of their own survivor things. It's like we have a buyer hasn't gone through yet, but then we're saved by the federal judge. So yeah. So Bottom line you can keep talking away because I'm going to talk last night for with the bed had no idea that all this is going on behind the scenes now. So I'm guessing you're gonNA, wish that this was happening before the date they're going to do this but Google said that they're going to block ads related to the presidential election after the polls close on November thirteen th this email to all their advertisers saying they're not going to allow ads referencing candidates the election, or it's outcome given that an unprecedented amount of voters will. Be counted, Election Day. This year I'm guessing we would all like to see the political ads stop right now but that's not gonNA happen. But literally after the polls closed on November third, say Goodbye Amazon's annual Prime Day is usually in July. They've given unofficial new day for prime days because it's two days Tuesday October. Thirteenth Wednesday October fourteenth. You can get an all the amazing deals that you get on Prime Day of course, you have to be a prime member you can enroll. That's things you need to know October tenth is love pop day. Courage everybody to post pictures of you and your dogs with the Hashtag. Love pup days. According to. New, survey. Three out of four people with dogs say yes at some point. They have canceled plans so they can hang with your dog three out of four people. only one in three people don't know with cats. And the average person with a dog or cat has more than one dog. Average percents. One point seven dogs cat owners at one point nine dogs. That's weird. So weird looking cat. Your cats are probably encouraging you to leave. Like we haven't been home and I feel bad I'm like you. I got to spend time with the dogs especially when they're puppies like I gotta go by. This dog house right now his name's betty and he's a poodle mix and he I think he's under a year. He was hit by a car. Right? He's doing great now but he is people shy like he needs a lot of work he's beautiful and so does my son is working with them my wife's work than I haven't gone yet to try to work with them yet, but he will come out of his crate. Right. So. Yeah. It's such a but what he will make somebody a wonderful dog. So. Another thing out a little research about they asked a new survey asked two thousand people with the name the most mundane. Boring. Chore. They could think of the chores. What's the Most Boring Chore You do? Kyle. Laundry that's the ten. Lonrho's what's the Worst Chore Sleeping? Sweeping that specific is an in here but you rich unloading the dishwasher. Dishwasher doing the dishes number eight. Dusting is number three. vacuuming is number nine, cleaned the kitchen number seven clean out the fridge number six washing the windows number five changing your sheets is number four cleaning. The toilet is number two. Number one new bathtub. No shower. No. I can tell you that I don't do any of these parts. shocker. Sweeping up leaves or something in the yard work yard work. One time we read an event and I needed this done and I had an intern come over our hotel room when you're out of town, do this for me ironing ironing are. Sucked. It's I get frustrated. Irony is the worst is really satisfying though the moment where you like. Put the iron over in the wrinkles, go away and watching that is a thing. Shirts like. So, Checkout Love Pup Foundation speaking this dog Benny you could see his name's Benny you could see him on Lopa bondage instagram also bunch of other dogs when you find homes for we got a lot of dogs right now. So, check out. 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PT Health Study Monitoring Communities Risk For Illness/Injury with Wearable Technology
"Hey before we get started I, just wanted to say. Thanks to our longtime sponsors are es medical staffing helping you physical therapists or physical therapist? Assistants find jobs all over this country with position. All settings in all fifty states find out what they have for you at a U., R. US medical dot com that is a U. R. E. US medical dot, com. Follow US online at PT, podcast and subscribe on I tunes, spotify or Google podcasts. Yeah? It's it's awesome. Yeah there we go. We're live again for our second drink of the night. Here at happy hour on pine casts of show, it saves physical therapists from missing out an amazing insight, remarkable ideas and motivational stories in the world with this therapy. Hi, I'm Jim McKay your host? We are broadcasting live from the Arias. Medical. Studios also known as my bedroom bedroom. Find them at a you are a US medical dot, com leaders and travel physical therapy. If you're looking for a position somewhere in these pretty awesome fifty United States. All settings, all states plus DC. Finding that you are a US medical dot com, Great Show for Unite Sarah Cruiser and Marciel Silica here where it's about health study, even talking about this all week and pushing you to hear now here is now now we're in the future. The future is now. Joe Forget subscribe to the podcast. spotify Google podcast and now video casting. Mom said the face was made for radio. She wasn't lying. Video Casting Youtube facebook twitter at. CAST on social is it gets a serious news INC now. We don't do serious here. Let's bring in our guests. Tonight's let's bring in Sarah Cruiser. Mark Sydeklik. Era. buggering. Sarah Welcome to the show guys. Thanks for coming in. We've been talking about for a while very excited for this excited when I tripped across it on twitter very excited to know more on purpose, not diving deeper because I was. I want them to tell me so. Thank you guys for for taking some time out and being on the show I question always the hardest. We get the Harvard's out of the way. What are we drinking today? Undergoing his son. King Keller Hayes Local Indiana burry. On. Got The dogfish head sequence Ale the summer session Oh very. Throat Perfect Summer Sour I will let you know what I was in Virginia was pediatric physical therapist, and across the street was a dogfish head restaurant they had it was a brewery, but didn't really brute there, but they had it there, and so many of my patients. Parents would be like dropping them off good for an hour. My good to go like I will be very close like you're gonNA dock fashioned. No, like maybe listen you go into a brewery to have a beer while your kids with me getting sweaty and doing pt totally acceptable. I am drinking who I've never had. This had beers from Belgium. Obviously, but I've never had voodoo ranger imperial Ip. And? How do you go wrong with like cool squirrel artwork like that? The answer is you. Don't go wrong so I am pouring that in the glass still. Cheers to you, guys, we'll do a quick cheers. Cheers stink as we do the virtual chair. I like, but I like to dogfish head and my time across the street from a brewery, definitely in their the ninety minute Guy Kinda got into that all right, so let's go. Let's go big to small macro to micro PT. Health Study I somehow tripped across mark on twitter. You talking about it with somebody and I was like what is this? This sounds pretty cool, and then I found out. It's kind of like it's tied into like Mike Eisenhart. We've had on the show before and really population health, so so laid out for us. What's what's what's PC health study from you guys? Yeah thanks so I mean Internet show kind of goal is to take wearable devices in what we know kind of the. Possibilities in potential that is end connected with the other side of that is a providers, typically physical therapists onto a kind of lower the barriers between connecting healthcare providers patients in really in the short term year is is really looking at Kobe. What kind of opportunities there yeah I remember a couple a couple years ago and I mean it was blowing up probably in like Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. They were just get them seen, and everybody else was trying to catch up. Up of course, right apple. The I watch was coming out and there we're we're. We're GONNA. Be wearable to remember asking the question and it wasn't cockiness or anything and I was like that's cool that you have all this data. Like what are you going to do about it? And of course the obvious answer? I was a PT Time. Forgive my ignorance. The obvious answer is like a bunch of data. WE'RE GONNA makes we're putting. We're research. That's that's the first thing. So I'm sure people like you are saying. Yeah, that's what we're. GonNa do so so PT Health Study. How are you guys looking at this wearable technology? What are you looking at? How are you looking at it? Lay it out for me. Yes, I mean. I just kind of like initials. Inception of it came probably more like really. I think a lot of us are less researchers than you might expect to the name health study. but we came in more from the like application side of things in a really at the combined with productivity on bike. EISENHART. We'd been looking at using these devices in kind of how we can. On the back end. Using software to essentially monitor population is mostly from the like injury risk management with companies. And really kind of as these. As the endemic ramped up on some things in the data with you know distress, risk of a kind of formula or kind of signs, popping up in the kind of things came from there. Sarah can go deeper. She's. She is more in on the kind of a nitty gritty of. The numbers side of things. Let's let's find the players on the show. We can skip assets. Held steady, but like Sarah Gimme your superhero backstory like tell us about you and how you how you came to where we are because I was being on this podcast, clearly the crowning jewel of your of your. Now, you and your background sir. I have, Very background veering from dance to Bodywork, and then ultimately P., T. as a second career, but I've long been interested. Yeah, I know. I've long been interested in sort of A. Can of health promotion upstream side of things on by day I work with older adults in their homes. Remote health in that way but I got involved with the a PHP t, the cadmium prevention health promotion therapies pretty early on and have helped steer the direction of that and grow the membership so That's how I got here to be involved with the T. health study. And kind of looking at how we can adapt. What we're all doing to a larger scale and get farther upstream. What's happening now isn't working like it all right? Mark Your Superhero backstory. How'd you come to the? How'd you come into this This crazy spot in the world. Yeah probably a lot of twists and turns me, but permit from a more traditional physical therapy, orthopedics background, and got a slowly wrangled in with my guys in heartened the folks at practicality really via adhd which is kind of? Prevention helped Promotion Academy. In. New York City working with productivity, doing mostly kind of prevention health promotion work with companies where we are kind of on trying to get on the early access and preventative side of things. So now we'll side of things together because you guys are talking about Sarah. Saying you're working in people's homes and really where people are that, that's near to my heart because my day job is working with Fox rehabilitation where we work with older adults in their homes. What what what better place would it be right I? Remember Coal Galloway. Gave a talk I was still a second year student and he's. pedes researcher and he said listen climate fake stairs in to nowhere in a clinic, or you could do it where they are, and that's where I think this PT, health steady is in terms of. You're not even you're GonNa Forget. You're wearing these wearables right? Every everybody's like I'm wearing a fit for the first week. And then you're just wearing a fit, which is great because I. Want you to forget about it, so let's talk about early detection with wearables. What are you guys looking at? How are you looking at it? What can you do or what will we be able to do? In terms of early detection with his data? We're getting from all these things that were wearing in carrying around with us. Yeah. That's a really good point to me about. Essentially being in people's homes. We're yeah, we're sort of getting an inside look at a variety of indicators on that we know correlate with physiologic stress of any kind of an we get this inside. Look at how people are essentially managing the daily life, the ups and downs, the stresses, the relaxation periods recovery work on, so we get a really good inside look at that, and then what were able to do is sort of take a big picture view of each and every participant in the project or anybody who's part of the PD health study. And get a sense of not just what stressors are happened to them how they're managing it an so we know that with acute illness as well as any kind of distress physiological cognitive. What have you? We see certain patterns and were able to use a pretty deliberate pattern recognition to determine when someone might be kind of teetering at that moment before they're not on the right side of health. And then provide outreach as needed and help bring them back down to a sustainable of risk using tools that we think PT's are. Perfectly equipped to use. We'll said I'll use a time for the noise like the. Crew. Nails about I. I'll bring something personal and I. Don't think I've talked about this on the show. Ended March I was in New, York City, and I I I left new. York City to come back to where I where I grew up. I'm staying with my brother. Now a day later. I got sick and I haven't been able to get a test yet, but so I cannot say I was co positive, but let's put it this way. I was a forty year old ironman triathlete kind of guy and wearing the garment like all the triathletes do. Let's say you spot. A triathletes were always wearing a garment or something that and I'm monitoring my steps and I would on a good day ten twelve K, and a really good day twenty if I'm working now. And I was on my back for five days. I think I took ten thousand steps in like five or six days, and that's literally I. Knew I was sick. But I was able to quantify it by saying dude. You have not moved at all. You've gone from bedroom two bathroom to kitchen and back. That's it not. That's how I realized. How sick I really was! Because when you're when you're a little bit sick, covert or otherwise, you're Kinda like wow I'm sick. But how sick am I and you know good on other people for for for forcing the Saint? Pay attention if you can't measure it, you. Had you know if you're improving it? I was on my back. I, mean ten thousand steps in six days, Noble Ueno, so the fact that you're able to to now really wrangle people into this and be able to early detect with wearables. Yes I'm all in one hundred percent. Go ahead mark I was just GonNa say I think it's. Like bringing up the step counting is also I think it's cool to look at how technology progress because some of the things that we're looking at you know it goes beyond the like typical all the wearables in back in the day of about steps in ten thousand steps this but now you know with a lot of them. Use Garmin devices, but there's just because we can, or we have access to that data, but any of the you know devices. Nowadays they are attracting heart rate on look at resting heart rate. You can look at a heart rate variability, which a little more about non. You can look at oxygen percentage respiratory. You look at sleep in quality. Sleep in really really like the entry level devices that you all of it one hundred dollars. You know like one time in. Realistically, the costs to look at pretty high quality data that has a lot of like implications for long term disease in an acute risk pretty cool. I was actually part of a University of Connecticut Study. I signed up to do my first ironman in into ten years ago, so twenty ten and they were like we'll give you a free Garmin. We'll give you a T shirt. I was like what free t shirt sign me up so literally they're like we just want you to wear watch and we're going to put a heart rate monitor on you. We'll go study these. These KPI's and I was like that wasn't in healthcare at. Radio DJ was KPI's. That sounds good. I have no idea what those are, but sounds good, and they actually made me I had to swallow. A core swallow pill, but it was like they could measure my core temperature like beep temperature, and that was weird, but That was that was ten years ago and that was a big deal, but you're mentioning mark. Hundred Bucks it's going to do. More than anything was doing back then. It's fantastic so Sarah. Let's talk about KPI's. What what are you measuring? Mark kind of tipped hand a little bit with a few of those. But what are you looking at? And what can they kind of tell us? Yeah, so I think a primary thing. Is definitely heart rate variability. You know we have several different algorithms that were used in a Garmon measures. Hurry, variability and sort of a stress number that they develop if you're not familiar with our variability. Back back on it. Her every ability is basically the feet to be different than time between every heart rate, so even though we think about our pulse rate as maybe sixty beats per minute. How many times your heart beats the actual variation between the our rates on Ekg? Their ease can win. There's a lot of variation. It's a sign that are para. Sympathetic system is pretty balanced with our sympathetic. Our are fighter. Flights Stumm when there is not a lot of variability than we tend to see, it's a higher sympathetic drive, which is what we relate with. Ramped up system kind of running on edge, and also a lot of conditions that we know are based on sort of a low lying chronic inflammation that is something that actors into her ability as well, but like mark said there are a lot of other variables as well air sleep, sleep quality We look at a lot of different things including comparisons, your own norms risk profiling all of these different factors, but what we know is that in acute illness we tend to see spikes in Our rate variability changes are resting heart rate, and we also see changes to how well our system recovers. Able to see that. That's a great. Thank you for doing it like that. For the the guys like me. who were like I understand what most of those words that you said but. Variability would be like. Yeah, my resting heart rate is fifty five, but how much because that's an average, right fifty five home. Good, but you're saying hey, how what's what's the variation? Because if if we're just averaging and getting to fifty five cool, but doesn't tell us anything, so you're saying the difference between the our airwaves if there's a lot of variability than there's some sympathetic and some parasitic, bring it down. You WanNa have a good even distribution, so hurry variability. How is it measured like? What like? What's a good number zero? You know I actually. Don't I don't know the actual numbers based on sort of a a millisecond difference I believe yeah. Yeah, all of the different watches are using their own algorithm because there are multiple different types of heart rate variability that you can measure I can't remember the names of be honest. Yeah, but I I think that you can take Napa loops. Sorry I got a little bit of Tech overlay. They're interested in your. Oh, it's fine, it's just the watches tend to take the different types of variability and put them into their own score. That's kind of an towards the lay person, often zero to one hundred. How stressed are you? How does your system Gotcha all right so when you have visa and also like sleep. And Sleep Quality I. Remember when the iphone start doing that that kind of APP and they. You know you're supposed to put your phone on the bed and it would tell like how much moving and I'm like. That's a little weird. So how would you describe the difference between sleep and sleep quality? It feels like sleep was just like how many hours are you mostly immobile sleeping within? There's quality which feels like Hari Hurry Variability Zach close. I think so. We look at Ram and and deep sleep as the quality and then light sleep as the less quality of sleep, and so we're looking for somewhere around forty percents. range is kind of a good standard good reason. Area to be in good. All, right so how? How you, enrolling people in health study houses, work, and the audience is as therapist, listening and watching. How can they get involved? What's bring them in? Because the more information you get the bigger the bigger pool of data, the better things are going to be. So I think sometimes it may be choosing. The word study was a little bit. Confusing or or May. Like thinking more like a collaborative project, I, think is probably more representative of what we want us to be. like with the with the goal of saying. We know this type of system can be helpful. You've seen the early signs of it. And we think it matters that physical therapists are involved in this type of kind of like carrot connection. so really were initially trying to enroll PD's in it to both helped develop the system as in like. Give us a little feedback in the early on. And then also kind of giving back some information in guidance you them in terms of. Really trying to edge them along towards this type of model of like looking at populations and managing people from this kind of upstream. Avenue. surreally enrollment is basically you go on easy health study dot org yet a little google form We send you email. Where if you have a device, you can sign right up meaning A. Compatible Garmin device? From the list that we give or you can by Vice. There's a little discount code just for joining on. You can then purchase device which. Count Bill Discount Bells this. Yeah so basically, the hundred dollar vices like the really low profile I think the Sarah. Do you have the other one walk? Yes, it's a lower profile on. It's free small zillow easy to sleep in Basically you get that device in the mail you start wearing it. You cannot. Detroit's this then once a week we send you a one to five question survey and then give you like a little video kind of education on starting to shift towards the thinking and what we can learn from the devices. You explained it really simply, but like wow, like think about this like we're able to collect real time like twenty twenty like I look where we are I, mean I don't know like I'm just trying to think when I was thirteen and I was like i. have a walkie talkie. Look Amazing I can hear my voice eight feet away. That's how far walkie talkies work. It felt like a million miles away, and you're connecting real collecting real time data from people and able to do with it, and that was the question I asked like in two thousand, Fifteen, twenty sixteen. Everybody's got a fitbit and step count. I'm just like all right. So. What like my? My? I luckily learned research from a professor's Jason Craig who's Irish everything. He said kind of prophetic. He's like what so what and now and I was like. What's that mean? He's like research. What what now and I was like? When you say with an Irish accent, it sounds way more. It sounds way more cool but that was my quirky, which is like that is cool. Kinda right so like who cares if know how many steps I'm taking, but now you guys are really starting to put it because these things are so widespread and available and cheaper, and probably getting more accurate, even at the cheaper level We're able to do things with I I'm GONNA I'M GONNA sign because I'm curious and the and the second part of that mark as you just mentioned. Is You give people a survey? That's more intaking, but you give them something education and that's our PT wheelhouse. Yeah and I think that's been the really cool thing as Gosh. How many weeks in are we now? It's hard to say. We started like getting the ball rolling probably late March like right when this started. We probably officially launched in April. But just to see some of the actually like not only shifts in line. People's understanding of an empty opportunity with a lot of these tools enemy of people in pediatrics, equal work in geriatrics. Like lots of different applications of populations. But also seeing our population shifts in terms of their have what they're reporting. Their health metrics to be in especially related to like distress overstress, which right now is like a top of mind because you know as we look at the data coming in on like if you give this virus like it really matters like easier system already revved up in like. Are you on the edge right now? Because things are gonNA, look a whole lot different. If you get the virus now versus if our if if you're a good spot, right if we can keep going. kind of under wraps to have been cool to watch. Even though like it's relatively healthy population, the people who are out. there. There's been a shift towards like you know. Yeah, doing good or a little bit better. So. That's been kind of need to wash through. That's a good point is like yeah, I'm in good shape right, but how you? What are you measuring, right? But like what's my heart rate variability versus resting heart rate how and when you get infected, or if you get infected with anything right because you guys are looking at this. Very timely on your part in terms of open it and people who are being impacted, but I mean this. This didn't come about because of COVID. My guess is you. Guys are working on as well before this because of population health, but but it looks like these things are since they're everywhere. They're constantly CL-. collecting data so now let's talk about this connecting providers with patients. How does that work? So I. think There's There's kind of the initial part that is involved in the PT. Health study itself Not You know most people like you said. You're wearing a device and you don't. You're only know what to do with that information right and so by connecting people who are wearing the devices with healthcare provider specifically. PT's really it's broad. Connecting them with a healthcare provider allows us to provide that context because most people may have that information coming in, but they don't really speak the language, and we're able to kind of provide outreach as needed in a way that breaks it down into actual English four people as well as the information that we're providing, but we also see this as something that can really be used by physical therapists on a large scale so. Therapists who are already working with A. Group of patients are in a community. This is something we think is scalable to be used by PC's across the country and really impact the health of a whole population, so going beyond connecting one to one provider to patient, but really connecting a provider or a group of providers to an entire community and that that's to us the big goal to win right there. MILLWRIGHT! Bell. MIC drop sound effects for you guys. As! You're saying that Sarah I'm thinking about the first time. I literally went from. I'm wearing something and it I started when I run and I stop, but I know how far I went, and that's cool. The first time I was like Oh. Wow, this is really useful I was training for a triathlon. An actually hired a coach who was a student at the time Kevin. WHO's hopefully listening to this but. He was great and I had the Garmon mapped to piece of software, and he saw every workout, and the fact that I knew that he was in Maryland and I was in New York City the fact that I knew that Kevin was going to see every workout. Every time I did the thing that I wasn't supposed to do. Hey, I want you to keep your hurry below here i. don't want you to go this far. It literally was like. Hey, don't do that because someone's GonNa because if I just call, it was to go I did I did everything you said and didn't. It didn't do anything bad I'm like he's GonNa. Know so it really it was. Kind of like you know this piece that kept in check and said okay. Let's let's actually follow the plan. This is being recorded in a good way, not in crew. Big Brother Way. It's being recorded on my permanent record. But I should pay attention to this. Because I signed up for the plan. The plan was do there, and it's being recorded so now you're doing that on such a mass scale like this is going to be fun like five years from now. This is going to be really fun to look at. Futures now and and I think. What we stare in our chatting. Earlier today in and we've talked about this. A lot of things developed, but. I think a lot of power now these devices. You know a lot. A lot of the devices that are out now is less than the performance aspect from like you know, show how far you ran or showed like how fast you've gone or rate as like that's like absolutely, it's great, but a lot of what we're seeing is the ability of these this type of system to a coach. People into recovering better coach people into a understanding their physiology a little bit in saying You know a when what are signs that like? I'm kind of pushing my body into the read a little bit, and when that happens like one, do I know it into? What things do you highway from that so what? In the I mean the the part of like connecting the provider is a Serra, mentioned a not only the like will. Sometimes we see things a little earlier than you do. In number two is like give context to like simple message of Lake is not that it doesn't take that much like. A thousand people in if ten people in a day spike like into a high risk zone, and you send a message that says hey, seeing a little something like what's going on. You know it's the power of something as simple as that to venture off conversation of like you know what he's having alike depressive episode in who like who knows but like the ability to to know like you know. Mike often. My eisenhart often talks about like just in time air. How do how do we know when like what is like the time it K-. To that person on this day. Because, if you're dealing with large people, it's just so hard to know who to ask when I'm and you can't happen upon everybody every day, so yeah, like one of those men. If you have someone in front of you or something happen you like if I just talk to that person talk at girl two weeks ago. So that just in time, care like very very important and the other thing you were saying mark is I think we're changing headphones? Is is See something, say something like. The smartest people I know in Rehab Technology. Literally say that has to be You have to solve a human problem with human solution. Right? Tech can be in the middle of that, but you can't solve a human problem with with tech solution can't so everything you just said there mark was like. You're seeing something as the provider. And then you were saying something it begins and ends with human. See something, say something. Yes, the thing that you were seeing was data from tech device, but you're able to then somehow start a conversation as a person with a person that could actually do something hopefully just in time, and that is the magic of I think technology, and where someone like this has has legs. That excites me. A love it. Model for future practice. So that's what you guys are doing now. That's that's now. The future is now as mark said. Got It. But model for future practice. Where's this thing going? Again two thousand, Fifteen, thousand, sixteen I was saying like that's cool, but what you guys are literally. Measuring and being able to communicate with people and actually make a big difference is because you're seeing something you're saying something. Where could what's? What are the things that you guys are saying? Wow, what if or when we get? This would have things in the future that that excite you Sarah. Oh I think just the ability to. Kind of step back a little bit I think what's amazing is like mark said we're not trying to push people into this place where they're always doing are sort of model health behaviors rather were able to step by see a huge population, and then basically just tell them. Hey It looks like rain. Maybe you should throw an umbrella in your bag. Because to me, I think I mean from my own sort of downstream PT perspective. That's what we really are doing to but it's difficult to do that in the current system, and so I think that when we give people the South African see. To take control of their own health, but give them little nudges. That really excites me. That's a great point which is early again full circle I the more podcast episodes I do the more by accident. Full Circle Moments every rain. There's like meeting people where they are right. which is what you do in practice? I work with older adults in their home, so you're meeting people where they are. They've got these things with them, or they've got their wearing them. And you're saying well. I'm meeting. You wear the here's what I'm seeing and by the way little cloudy to. To use that analogy little cloudy, maybe umbrella or hey little in the red zone. Why don't we brought back a little bit of what's going? Let me ask you question what's going on here? Is it stress or are you? Are you working? You got a busy week or talk to me and that's a question that starts conversation from one person to another, and that's where the magic happens. I love that. Let me ask you a specific question. Sarah you work with the results. ageism a stigma is well older adults. They don't know anything about technology that will counter that with saying that as time regularly with my Gammy, and she's ninety four and she will run circles around you on facebook so. That ain't coming here. Our like wearables in older adults. If you ask people that the average would be like Nope, not getting into it, but would you see as someone who really worked with older adults? I see as the range range of possibilities I definitely see a lot of older adults who are very in tune with technology are wearing APPALACHIA's even in seeking their phones I would love to see the technology and I think that it does exist for some features I would love to see the technology. Get to a point where there is Doesn't have to be a personal afe and be a broader a broader connection base so that people who aren't comfortable with technology can be part part of that I imagine the entire senior living communities having folks beyond wearables. You Know I. think that would be pretty incredible taking it out of a need, you know. Understanding that just simply because of age that some people may not have ever wanted to get involved with that technology, whereas some are really adept at it. I mean it's a great population to monitor especially as we're seeing huge changes in chronic conditions, drought any given week. Whenever. You know talk about that I. Literally Kinda get like you know when you have like your thing that you're like nine I'm not gonNA. Let this slide. Older, adults and technology. I'm like Oh. Yeah, I'm just like When you're done talking I got something to say. I'm like. Please do not put it past. Older adults like all the technology you have today was because of people in their general vented that stuff, so we're not put pass them to be able to figure stuff out by the way the stuff. Stuff that we're figuring out is getting better and getting more intuitive, so let's not discount older adults in terms of like well. They're too old. They can't figure it out. That ain't happening here in the future for practice. What do you think mark things that that are coming downstream that you that you're seeing where this thing can go? What do you think? Yeah I mean I think the fact of it is like. Somebody's going to figure out this whole preventions face in upstream care space. And, so it's really just a question of like. Are we willing to jump into that? Yeah, and it? It isn't a thing like. I don't know these these perspective Donald speak for everybody, but I feel like it's not about like everybody needs wearables in this is the solution to all our ails, but like it is a. It's an actionable solution. Now that's. Pretty darn cheap like somewhere in like less than a dollar a day range. To make some pretty significant health gauges or these like. Don't mind New York City street noise here where we're. Pretty significant changes or like keep out of the red zone as ruling a couple of times. Saying like. Is that like is a means of like health insurance an like. Are we willing to get involved with something like that because whether or not like technology like this is ubiquitous now? It's going to be in the future like it moving to just such an ease of use that it will be ubiquitous, the question questions. Are we comfortable in practicing in that manner in preventative care type model. Why not yeah. What you just Said said. There is question from the audience right now on facebook. Is this considered a form of telling health like never into like telehealth. And what is that monitoring and I know that Mount Sinai I got a friend over there. David Pacino Super Smart Guy put together some resources showing exactly how to do it. What billing codes to use to monitor progress in terms of like telehealth? Sorry, my phone rings while we're live on the air. Thanks, mom. But is this. Is this telehealth because you're monitoring? This is what do we ask questions? We monitored data. Is this considered a form of telehealth? I don't think I. Don't know what he's. There I don't really see it that way or at least, and it's like it's one of those gray areas probably. In, typically like the way we with it just like you know, we're often dealing eased like. Is this care or not try are like prevention practice and it's. It's like weird like walk the line gray area, but I mean officially like the FDA I think is the right doesn't consider it. Doesn't consider wearables like medical information. Donna it gets not like. It isn't at the threshold that need like Capri protection or things like that on Zimmerman. That's like one side of it but to me like could transition health console right? Yeah, totally. But I don't think it starts out with or at least most of your interactions and I would say ciragan price to this, but the vast majority of the interactions that a are kind of like advisors as they call themselves, have had with study participants like probably don't cross that threshold or on the like advising role like hey, here's what we're seeing like. Like, maybe think about these things and like you know if if you need more than it could progress on done. What do you think sir? Yeah I think that's exactly right. In fact, it's one of the things that we specifically trained people on. If they are on board with the health study. Is that what we're doing is really just providing nudges in. Our. Pre scope of practice and that's one of the things that makes it so accessible across state lines, even country lines. We have some folks across the Atlantic in our project already so there are certainly things that you see in the data that may urge you to take someone up to another level, but I would call that sort of an escalation and putting them then in sue the still probably upstream, but left population base, care and more one on one on. That's when you start to get into you know. Is this kind of a health coaching, or is this a telehealth type of situation more Rubinstein from Jersey jumping in there, saying yeah, more more monitoring and telehealth right now. PCS looking into codes for monitoring which is interesting agreed can be used with telehealth, and you know what some people are uncomfortable with grey areas, but as the future progresses like these grey areas you become more defined, and that's where the that's the gray areas where the magic happens right. When people tell you can't do something you shouldn't do something. Get curious as to why because no one's done it. Tell me more no one on it. Why because you're not supposed to supposed to who can't? and. That's the magic habits. Is I just think there's so much leverage in this with with having information and be able to start conversations and Sarah? Some in said, which is pre scope of practice and like? That's like the scope of practice, but it's cloudy out, and it's about in so like when it rains. That is my school practice seriously, and this is very. Very I'M GONNA I'M GONNA write that down preschool practice, which is like I'm. I'm not liable for any legal ramifications. But I that which is like hey, preschool practices, just like hey. I'm just seeing something as an observer of this data that you voluntarily gave me and like. Hey, if progresses to this, this is my skill. Set Mrs and my scope. Please come see me as a provider. Mark appreciate the the question. Are The comment right there? This is exciting. I like this. This is really cool. I like the fact that this kind of emerging technologies. What what are some things that you guys have learned so far but unisons? Would you say April or something like that like you've seen Did it go as planned when you guys started doing this? Either personally or as a group did it goes planned or how? How did it progress? I would say like if. Who's joined on the Mike is in her project. He knows what we'd lost twists and turns. It's. It's probably more bargain for. into. How much you're investing in it. But, we ever really cool group of people. It's been A. I. Don't know it's been really cool to see things kind of. Morphine developed from I think what I thought was going to be like A. You know like essentially like alarm bell like you're at risk kind of thing to really like A. Two way system that is You know a lot more interactive I think then I initially thought it would be. Early. In like to me, that's a more like. You know applicable system future. I hear what I hear to a system I hear conversation I have a degree in journalism and communications right and I hear to wait to a conversation. That's communication right so if you just got a notification your phone, that's one way that's good right, but if it prompts a response, and if if that message actually like Oh this is this is important like I mean Sarah couldn't have picked a better analogy with or or. Situation, which is like it's GonNa rain, it's Kinda cloudy like ooh. That's important to me because I don't WanNa get wet. That's the. I think the magic the magic where the magic happens, which is now still in the grey areas as we're talking about which is, we don't know we're going to do with it, but if it's important to me. because. I'm the most important person in the world in my world. Human if you can get into that conversation. That's that's fantastic. That's the conversation that. We're great in 'cause. That's where our magic happens. Sarah to you same question as a progressive course. You know it's going to be turney. But how how have you seen it from progress as long as you've been involved, PD study. I think you know as mark said any any EISENHART. Project is certainly sort of a world wins kind of coming together into the final storm of progress. But since fascinating to just look at the data, you know I am not an intuitive grasp, individual art major, so numbers don't aren't my forte, but I think that looking at what happens to people over time and sort of understanding the normal ups and downs and changes in stressors in physiology in seeing how people recover and how they respond when they you know. Know exercise on a low recovery day and things like that has just totally changed my perspective in one of the things that it's changed. My perspective on is people's ability to recover Sometimes they do get wet in. That's okay, because we can also still hand them a towel Ryden. Say it's cool dry off and this is how you're going to do it. Nancy Sarah going on that. Which is because you got wet doesn't mean well. We're done all right. An I say I'm Outta here. Don't will hand your towel. We can fix that, but it's that just in time or if you've gotten wet. Let's figure out what this means and what we can do for you fun, yes. Analogies works well mart. We're going to say I'm just going to say like it. I guess we as a team productivity because we've been watching our own data. Digging into the stuff in the background. A little bit for you know a couple years now, so it's not like I've seen it, but it's cooled. It's the every time when you see somebody spike in terms of their stress, levels measured by the heart rate variability scores in like just the amount of like how simple it mice can change direction so quickly and I think At least speaking for myself, oftentimes, because we starting to system that is seeing everybody when they're like two miles down the river like. Swimming for their life like. have had like ten liferafts thrown to them, but you're all like fake liferafts. Is something right so like? We're in this position where you're like, you can't help them. When you do need help emits this gigantic undertaking, but like if you. Find a person upstream that had just don't don't step in their ever. It's going to be a bad. It seems to easy. You didn't get rained on. You fell in the strain like. A hundred towels is going to help now and now as a PT when you're working with that patient, you feel for them because you're like us. If I just was able to talk to you two months ago, you wouldn't be wet. You wouldn't be soaking wet down that stream. And I think that's a perfect kind of analogy. To which is that string which is upstream, we talk about upstream and downstream costs right and some people think that the cost thing is as dirty thing. We should only focus on people, and it's like well man I like cornflakes, and like paying rent, but I also like helping people and I can actually help prevent them and the entire system from spending money then. Don't we all win and isn't that valuable? If that's valuable, you can pay me I. Don't want all of what we saved you. If. You gave me a little bit. I will give you a lot. I will give you the whole damn stream, and that's that's the thing that excites me about what you guys are doing is because you're looking up and down that stream. And you're saying. How can I save? How can I save this person from angst and personal misery? And how do I? How when you do that when that person's not wet in the Stream? The systems a little lighter I can help someone. I can spend some time monitoring. Someone else like this thing has been scale ability, and that's a question. I get a lot in my day. Job is like. Is it scalable? This is right. I mean you're monitoring remotely this? You're beating them where they are. Yeah Yeah. I mean to me for like I'm. Thinking like a private practice and like people who WANNA MAINTAIN! Connection to their communities. I I don't know it just feels like a no brainer, yeah! Or like it doesn't have to be this, but like I think the fact of like. We need to find a way to better connect communities in real way that starts to engage around. The idea of health did not around the idea of I'm injury ago. Right fixing I I can fix you. It's like man, but if you met me because I know some stuff that would have prevented this, yeah! So and I don't know it doesn't mean yeah. Our healthcare system is really good at fixing you know. Really bad stuff you know like like when you have Kobe. Do you want be in the hospital I mean? A lot of in hospital, but that the place you're going to be near the ones no. But. We're terrible at managing chronic disease in were terrible. You know you know nudging people along gently. You know over a year's time. Behavior Change takes a long time, so but your behavior changes now a conversation, not an appointment, not a meeting. It's a conversation about the thing that you're wearing the whole time. And that's meaningful. You can talk to me about something. That's meaningful to me as a communications guy like yeah, you have my attention now what you do with that attention? Okay, Hey, I'm seeing this and here's why that's important here. Here's what here's why that might be important to you. If you continue that path. You're not going to be able to run that ten K. in three months. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA. Burn out. You're doing it. It's it's too much or whatever like. Make sure you grab that umbrella and you're the umbrella. The part is we get to be the umbrella. We don't want to be the towel. There's the line right we don't. The Damn umbrella. Our Yeah whatever I'll take that. Good work on you guys and everybody and how how many people are involved I wanted to make? It seem like it's just you guys. You have mentioned Mike, but I'm sure there's lots of people involved. What we got now. I think we have. From the actual steady team I think right now we're still at like maybe ten of the data investigators, and then a bit of a marketing team, but I'm starting to progress you. Need more of. Just I think interested parties the when you learn the system any joining. We need more participants after. We want more participants won't people to wear them and then people who wear them in start to join in? If they're interested, we want them to reach out to us as well because leaping, you know I mean when you talk about when you talk about the nudges and the types of information were providing to be umbrella. You know the thing about it is. This is these are health behaviors. That PT's know and they know how to do on, but when you're downstream, gets lost in the effort, and so we want people who you know, we need bodies wearing them for the data, and we also need want people who are interested in learning at restaurants. We can see where this takes us. Putin health study dot Org. If someone's interested in enrolling individuals to wear things I mean I feel like pt's would be the best. Drum. beat out there, saying hey, if you're wearing this and you wanted to get some feedback. So that's the website would you would wanNA push people to his PT health studied at work. Yeah so that's where anybody can roll in, and it doesn't have to be PT's now on my family member part of it, and you just vine, perspective and things like that. You can enroll on participant side, and that's really like I entries Steph one. In then sue now. We're having people who've been in the study from the start. As participants who are interested enough to say, Hey, this is cool like I. WanNa know more about the other end which is watching the data side? So folks who were kind of in this study already have basically I access to that training. So, that's training that's going through. Each bt. There essentially training these bts on how to use this type of system in really than that system is something you could integrate into your community. So mess though like actual like data side of it was developed activities so essentially that. Goes through them. And you can basically take what we're trying to develop in like Beta testing in Put that same thing in action in your communities, really the goal of like all right. We want to train an army like everybody. Go in like you know. Take it in your own direction on. You know lots of ways that it can be customized and used in. Two different manners, so I want to set a date I want to date six months from now I. WanNa have you guys back on this show six months from now and be like. Hey, we talked in July and now we're talking in January. What happened from here now? Because I wanNA see, I mean I I WANNA. Track this right? That's the whole. That's your whole thing. Track this study. It I'd I'd be so so eager and excited and curious to see where this thing is going to go. 'CAUSE I. Mean this I mean to me. It checks all the boxes. And Jimmy we can. We can bring your data on the screen and see. Over the last six months? Yes, how fantastic! Because you just said Jimmy will bring your data up right, and that's just said Oh over me, which exactly why? This is important. Talking about me, I am very much interested, but that's how everybody is thinking like Oh we're going to tell me how. Do you have my attention? What are you going to do with that attention? And you guys are figuring both the bengals out, so we're talking January six months from now and say hey. We talked back in July and we said this. Assis-. What did you learn since then I want the audience be along with us on this ride. 'CAUSE I want them to be at PT health studied at Org wants to be signing up and then you know beating that. Drum out there well, if you're wearing MME thing, why don't we do something with that data and you guys are doing stuff with the data because you have the skill set to do things with that data. Are you guys ready for three questions. Sure. That's a yes, answer you have to just. Let's to three questions right now, Three questions brought to you by our friends that are as medical staffing a you are a US medical dot com leaders in Hashtag. Travel physical therapy find them online there if you look in. The thing that you want to do which is be a great therapist around the country positions off states, all settings and Washington DC I got called out like all the states, but not the district gotta. Washington DC as well all right first question. We'll go to Sarah I first question's aware question. Where are you located right now? I am in Columbus Indiana all right, but if you can go anywhere, you want in the world and do whatever it is that you do. Where would you go in the country? I should say states. Where would you want to go? ORCAS island Washington. We're a what's ORCA. Silent that sounds. Off The coast of Seattle the most beautiful places I've ever been. I think. Vacation Destination Martinelli. You're in New York City where we going anywhere in the US where you're going. I. Think why I mean. Everything. It's. was. Rainforest I think. It's got everything. Just got excited because I mentioned Ukulele. Question one question two is a what question. What's something you've read watched downloaded like movie podcast book. Poems I. Mean something that the audience should go, Hey. I would find value in that Sarah. What do you think? This is related to health study. I think I just finished how to be an anti-racist by Kennedy recommended like how cool is it that like? We had we were having a moment right now in in the world, and and our reaction to it or a lot of people's reaction to it is project and go now. Nope, Nope, and a lot of other people's reaction is I'm going to buy the book and I'm GonNa. Learn something so like the people who were like rejecting their super loud. All Right? I can't convince you to not be louder and the other people who are like I'm GonNa Learn something. They're doing the quiet thing. I'm GonNa Learn something I'm going to buy the book. The cool part is we measure stuff right data and we go. It's a bestseller now and now it's being sold so well. Good good on you for mentioning that one yeah. Marco look following that one. You've washed. Read downloaded something that inspired you this is this is how I beef up by Netflix Queue or my reading lists anything. Okay one interesting new podcast. A PODCAST IS WELCOME? It's called no stupid questions with Ghana the freakonomics Guy. I know them. Not to questions, it's called no stupid questions in with psychologists. Who did all the great books about vulnerability? Guys come on. I'm visit Briny Brown. We're lingering. Economics. Grit and It's Rene Brown and Stephen Dubliner. There you go there it is. Are you prepared for? These questions twilight live radio. I like it more. More. It's a conversation where they ask one one question to each other in the both answer it. They're both kind of thoughtful people, and it's a fun little thing I like it all right cool. That's the what question and we always like to begin and end with WHO and people. Who is some of the audience should know more about and I. Asked that very open ended. Lee adults say like in therapy. It's just who's someone. The audience should know more about who's someone who does good stuff or should have some like. Let's learn from people like we start with aware, and then a what with a book thing now we're on people. Who should the audience Omar about? BB Miller. She's a modern dance choreographer and she's done remarkable things for cultural studies race awareness. She's not going to help me get rhythm. Though probably no one is going to help me. Get Rhythm, though but now no. Chase, Helping me, get rhythm, trust me mark same question. Who should the audience more about? I'll go with Burnett Brown again just. design. Number Name Brown kick. I'm thinking late to the party, but I feel like the conversations around vulnerability, and how we approach conversations like that are super relevant right now in this is like underlies live struggle. People have talking about things like Rayson. Islands and stuff like that. I like how you say I think I'm late to the party in anything, but here's the cool part is like. The. It's never too late. Like you might, you might have just missed something, but like yeah, jump in. which you're like, Hey, man, I've never read a book on how to be an anti-racist. It's like I. Never thought it was a problem. It's a problem. Read the book like Super. Late to read the book like. The game like I understand like that's what you have to admit. Hey, you know I didn't think it was a problem. I, now think it's a problem. Let's read the book. Let's get better. Questions a you are US medical dot com at leaders. Ashok sheltie now assigned for your MIC DRP moment we get the intense music. Let's do our part. 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That's why we like to have wheel houses physical therapists. If that's our WHEELHOUSE, grab it. Do Not let this moment at Sarah. Just mentioned. Get past us! Mark your parting shot where he for us. All right, so we're GONNA. Take a double shot now. So really because it's billing Sarah to say that. Yeah, I, mean I think we have the opportunity now in. We often talk about transforming society. Often talk about. How we want a little more pieces of by. And, so it's really a question of what what are you doing to you know? Take a little bit more of that. Doesn't need to be this, but this is an option. It's here. So if it sounds cool John. I like how you ask a question like right like if you want if you want the bigger piece of Pie like. What are you doing about it like I want? That's an adolescent behavior. I want but I'm not willing to do anything for it, but you're you're you're you're making it? Not Alexis, not an adolescent question, which is like what am I willing to do for it? 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20VC: Why Lead Lime's Series D Funding Round, Why Engineers Are Underpaid & Why 74% of US Venture Firms Still Do Not Have Female GPs
"You are listening to the twenty minute BBC. With me, Harry stemming really would love to hear your thoughts and feedback on how I can make the show better for you. And you can do that on Instagram at age stabbings nine thousand nine hundred six with my respond to all masters person that but to the episode's day and a very special guest. She's going out of her way in the pulse to help me. And just really is a truly wonderful person in the industry. And so with that thrilled to welcome Sarah Smith partner at Bain, capital ventures, a leading US venture phone with a portfolio, including the lights of linked in limestone grid, jet dot com and more incredible names as for Sarah, what does start she's had to time at Bain leading investments in the likes of perks and the unicorn that is lime prior to joining bane Sarah spent five years at core both VP of advertising sales and operations, and then also from two thousand twelve to two thousand sixteen as VP of HR recruiting and operations skating. The company from forty to two hundred employees and before core Sarah spent four years at Facebook as director of online operations where team scaled or if you need to check this out one billion era while reducing churn and. Creasing customer satisfaction. But before we dive into the episode stay. I'm always focused on scaling my time. And I was always cramped travel. Bookie in management, well, not anymore. Why? 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Stay with a little bit on it. Tell me how did you make you a for a until what I always cool the wonderful world adventure and come to be vain today. It is wonderful world, isn't it? I just feel like we are so lucky what we get to do. I'm crude that someone could really come from any background through collection of experiences and make it into venture. So I was born outside of Milwaukee grew up there. My mom was an easy teacher. My dad works for the Veterans Administration, and my whole family really came from generations of people who were in the public precautions teaching and government work. And so all new business was that it was really risky and it didn't come with a pension. So I really knew nothing about I really schools, and I think the most expensive meal I hot. Graduates from high school, and but I knew that I always loved working I were Johnson high school. I was a waitress which was my first experience with variable. Combat. I really like the feeling empowered to make my own money. But when I went to school would I knew which was music since I grown up in musical household, and I majored in music education. And my first job out of school is teaching elementary k five music in the of with us chart. But as what would have it my boyfriend at the time was actually computer science, grad and San Francisco, and this was two thousand one. So I decided if there was any times sort of lead, Wisconsin that was at and I took the leap moved out. This was right after the dot com bust, obviously, so lots of people were leaving the bay area. And I was scrambling to find really any work that I could and I landed on silver levering stars which is a private education company over in the East Bay. And that was really my first exposure really running a business. I got promoted quickly and was running a sensor a little million dollar business. I looked up and ruins I never had any kind of business education number taken comics, accounting marketing, and so I'm rolled at UC Berkley extension. Nights and weekends to take some classes and founded absolutely loved it. I thought it was super interesting. And that's also where I talked to some students who are tweeting about this whole MBA thing actually, remember asking student like what does even stand for and quickly realized that that was really exciting opportunity to grow my career, and as a life changing experience after business school and was really unfortunate time, and I graduated in of sudden if you can recall, this is when guy phone had come out right after we graduated Facebook in my face. We're battling it out and social media area and grilling Zimmer web is just taking off. And so everyone, including my office all getting into this ecosystem, I worked at a bootstrap startup and affiliate lead gen really interesting business to learn that within a year my classmate that window regarding the end Facebook, so about six months after Charlotte joint. And so I really spent the next four years helping scaling grow many different sales and operations teams globally and in not experience. I started to St. how the board members to really had a great stake in the future success. Acids Facebook, and I sort of pushed me a little bit was that there were any women at the team ball. And I thought and some kind of better understand that can sell I actually went onto Cora where I knew the founders worked there for five and a half years running creating HR operations, and ultimately monetization. And in the meantime, kind of started angel investing on the side and a few of my consummates had started a microphone called graph insurers, and they invited me to join in on the third fun in twenty fifteen and not really got my feet wet and source saying and talking and actually writing checks into companies and did about twenty deals there. So in twenty seventeen kind of in the time of the metoo movement and a lot of the information coming out about some of the cultures of venture decided that was really the time to make a change. I turned forty I was getting married Mike, and we'd had some health problems at home and sorry just assigned. It was really times to Italy my career and pursue venture full time. And I talked to launch different curtains at a lot of different firms are down the ecosystem to be very very welcoming. And ultimately landed. At being capital ventures, which has been tastic it. I mean, what an incredible background that. And totally love that. I do have to pick up on a couple of different strains say one of which was the elementary school. Meaning teach you can I think it's the first elementary school music teacher starting point that I've had on the show what lessons have you applied from Donna experience to management and v c. Yeah. So I taught literally not lowest income school in Addison ninety percent of our students run free and reduced lunches. We had all of the homeless kids in entire city, come to our schools of very transient population. And I think actually working in that environment. Also, just gave me a lot of empathy for just a broader consumer base, not only in the middle America. But it's a lower income brackets, which is really stuck with me throughout management venture. And that you just really never know privilege or lack of confidence people have as they grow up. But as a teacher, you really working when all kinds of heads and the whole goal is really helping them reach their full potential, and so you're balancing being racial, but also keeping. Discipline. And I think there's a lot of overlaps between not being a manager. And also being a venture capitalist. The other thing you learn in school preparing to be a teacher is this concept of Scott holding where you really want to demonstrate a skill help shadow student as they're kind of getting competency without scaling all to help them gain independence and the manager. I was thinking about the projects and tasks they have someone that would help them gain independence mastery of steel that would ultimately land them in their next dream job. So there's a lot of things I think you take from teaching in apply to help building teams, and helping people and companies Riester whole social I have to say when I wrote that question. I was wondering what you were going to go without one. But I mean that's incredibly aligned in terms of Osceola hold of the roles of venture and founder engagement. So that's fascinating. Thank you. Don't have to pay. If you don't have to pay all this during the mentioned, which was Facebook and core parenting the hype skating that sauce hand, what was some of the biggest takeaways from that. Yeah. Takeaways. I think a lot of people who are fortunate to be in those types of companies have which is, you know, greater products. Give you lots of rooms ruining about having a clear mission and vision are really critical, but once in a lifetime experience, but I think some of the lesser known learnings are things people have talked about quite as much is really important to being super super flexible when a company is drawing taxes Facebook while the choir was it's really important. They not to get tied too much to any team or processed things are changing constantly when your company's growing one to two percent every single week, you shouldn't really much in any particular process or polished, and you should also be open to really jumping into a new role and needed. So they're oftentimes just filling the gap where there's clearly a need sore leadership for help management. And that really ultimately what really helped me, I think grow my career. I also say that in opening remote offices. So at Facebook are really helps in the tumbler in Austin and about offices and sending a group of people from headquarters, or at least twelve months. To also include a office leader, where people report remotely, I really the best way to encourage cultural alignment across the mothership headquarters and the local team and make sure that team also feels a sense of ownership atonomy. We did that really successfully I think Facebook and last night, I would say that in both cases of Facebook emporer. I think quality and trust are really critical very hard to build. It's really easy to lose. I think frankly, if basic struggling with that now in some ways, and it's super important that companies keep their focus on user choice. I totally agree with you in terms of that kind of centrist around us atrocity. I do want to dig into some of the Ottomans of your investing today with Bain one of them as the whole topic of the lost twelve months, which is kind of Scrooges. Unlike Herm, busy, always see more series D lime when things I wanna deacon. All the deal say, this is the first time I've had the job see this, all Missouri. So I'm pretty excited as you can imagine has still with the town in defense of the industry in the funds of may be put money into the market size is indisputable. How do you pros? Mulkey. Sizing with this one. Peter funds said he was lost. And he has investors big market. So how did you think about this one maybe responding to that it is a huge market? Certainly. I mean person ad smile. Transportation is estimated something like forty billion dollars globally a bit to be on that wasn't necessarily the thing. I was looking for to Peter's point what I saw which really that is huge momentum shifting consumer behavior playing eighteen if we'll get the adoption to be scooters, it's nearly vertical. Kirk. It's unbelievable. How fast in Zimmer's have adopted this new technology and bummer chance for teachers and. Step back really make sense because it was really a confidence that summaries bigger ways in consumer attack. If you think about it, we've learned that taking out your phone and pressing a few buttons can equate to transportation, thanks to the rise of the rideshare industry. And then also we have rise of Airbnb. We were Uber even EBay. I would say taught us that. We're okay sharing stuff or using new stuff. If it gives us utility. And then you also have battery life that you get technology. That's good enough to power of consumer aid bugles. So you combine all of that? With the fact that our cities are also not equipped to deal with increasing density of population. And traffic congestion, so consumers are really open to micro -bility and a faster way to get around more than ever. So it's not just about a huge town. But for me, this is really a story of massive momentum and ashamed and consumer behavior really is the case of up to the ROY light. We we see the majority of deck, but that opposite off into the up. Offense the competition and likely the most discussed Salomon that we see maybe in the public sphere to main with the license. Void tear flash. Dolts? I think the last four or five that would just in Europe and the list goes on how did you get comfortable answering such Uffizi competitive space? Yeah, I think it is a competitive space. And certainly we thought about how much was this competition going to put strain on companies in terms of their capital needs. So I think capital is somewhat of a mobile. It's not the main mode that we bet on in terms of this competitive landscape. We really bet on our Burris company who has the most experience and the most markets are also going to have the most data to use in. Optimizing and driving the highest utilization those civilization and any market are going to command the most revenue especially where there's dynamic capping as the sort of forcing regulatory mechanism. And we believe that's going to be a long-term stated most cities are going to implement dynamic happening. It's two different than what we. Currently have in San Francisco, just text camping. So for those in San Francisco's little Mark to imagine. But in the end most cities are going to bring you late the market with Obama capping system in this. Why Marty how had clearly wanted scaling. But also have made incredible strength is in some laying a world class leadership team that we felt was after they should handle more scaling to come. And so we really felt that stood out. And we're the clear winner amongst all editors can I ask him. This is maybe very basic thinking for me that I should probably know what is dynamic counting big question. So she usually have three choices facing. And by the way, they all really want this to exist. They know that their cities are really getting crushed flip traffic congestion. And so they want to enable micro mobility. So they're looking at three choices one is no cap. So they say, hey, as many vendors as you want brings many suitors as you want street for all we don't believe most cities are going to go after that. Because it does lead to cluttering on the streets in a lot of the constituents. How? Happy about that. And there's a lot of safety issues with making sure right number of suitors on the road. Then you also have the other side of the patient just Harding outing. She sits there since doing others lamented where maybe somewhat randomly assign a certain number of carbons of certain number vehicles seed Fender, so they might say, hey, five hundred hundred Shubert hundred to skip. And that unfortunately, doesn't really have anything to do with consumer demand. Because usually actually lower supply them would actually build consumers in the now, all means, it doesn't become a reliable Garmisch expectation. So the dynamic capping system, but it does places burden on the vendor to drive a certain utilization, her vehicle per day. So the city could say you need to true that you are pretty say at least three chairs per vehicle per day as long as you're getting that you didn't doubting students to the row thousand skaters you drink that's chips per day. You can increase your supply until you get that magic number that the city says I never really develop some nice mechanism for make insure those adequate amounts to make. It's a really useful an active transportation for consumers. Absolutely. I mean speaking, I'm thank you so much, by the way for the explanation that I turned out now seem kind of the skuas themselves of disgust element is the wet and the great great skewed. How did you think about this and get comfortable with really huge infrastructure? Quads run such a hardware intense business. Yeah. So one of the things that you're saying it's given fastened your last year in a lot of strain on supply and supply chain. And so lot of companies launched with consumer graves, which are not meant to be a huge scale. Sleep shared amongst many consumers in a market. So we certainly saw obviously shorter schooner life last year. But we talked to a lot of experts in the field in the hardware space of many of the teams that we also were evaluating, and we got really comfortable that it was possible to build a ragged innocuous or that was to dible or scaled fleet in an urban environment added cost and the price point that would. Drive to ultimately positive union economics. And if you think about it, you have to believe that any company at scale would have the ability to build a similarly tough and rugged Studer. And so the Kim down to serve table stakes indicates that we felt that Lyman and actually many of their competitors would be able to do that task in terms of the students themselves. How they look how they feel how they write that was any consumer loyalty tool Sutton Browns over others, or is it maybe more of a convenience choice. Great. I will have you tried it yourself on you know, I have in power slow sweet for the first time on I did got a lie. I have to admit awesome. What do you think? I loved it. I was incredible fun than it reminded me of going back to my school days. Really? But it was wonderful. Yup. Totally loved them. So turns out tens of millions of people have had a similar experience already and just the last year. So we do think that some point there will be some consumer loyalty just out of convenience. But the bigger driver is really going to be. Locations. So when you set out, and you're trying to get by eight to be you're gonna really care about which one is the closest to you. So we think of the cost that consumers will use many different products. Certainly you could imagine that feature these companies create incentives to drive more loyalties subscription as discounts different things like that. But our view is that really gun is comes back to the fleet. That is best optimize in terms of its disbursement of the vehicles throughout the city. We believe that that is the Blair that's going to win the most revenue in the most chest. So likely is gonna be the one that's really closest to you. And the scale buyers are probably gonna be best position to make sure that's case. No, I totally got Tom's convenience model the final element. I do wanna talk with regards to the skews is. So he's kind of putting on maybe slightly more visi how the Ottomans have John is one that anyone? Call him to ignore such huge funding previously in poverty in the future. How do you comfortable with the level of violation that will almost inevitably entail? Yeah. I guess I think about this. Oiler league to getting into Facebook series g as an investor which also happens to be about eight months after I joined the company, so certainly the earlier investors Facebook stood to do much much better. But it was still a really really exciting opportunity to invest in the company, and there was huge growth momentum. Which is similar honestly lime is the first company item. Since my time at Facebook showing that kind of tornado growth and insane momentum. I believe they have a shot at being the largest transportation company in the world. And if that happens to four billion dollar post is going to look tiny in the rear view mirror. So that was really believing that lime has the ability to get a unit economics and more than fifteen to twenty extra here. I actually think that can happen sooner than people might guests and for the skeptics out there. I would actually occur even take another look if you would have been happy investing at ten billion dollar valuation. Don't I love in terms of taking him the lurking beyond show. We'll see someone with from the comment. We mentioned kind of conceivable that we've mentioned some of the hold companies in town with lime. And and in these cases, the talented self is the biggest wall even product rocket ships house. We sat Facebook can core. And you said to me before that contrary thought you hold is engineers on the page. How can I thought with this? Why do you think engineers on the pain? How does on into maybe they're onto cheats equity? Yeah. So I do believe I don't know about you. But I had yet found his says that they have too many engineers. They don't know what to do with them. They had no problem recruiting they have more than us elite higher. I literally had never heard from anyone. So now knows a super tight market, and in that type of world you have to think there's gotta be some more regulatory mechanism balances out. And really just I think means that Christ has not risen enough to drive enough of this lie. So certainly you could just make a general economic argument that engineers if they're struggling to hire. You seem to keep raising a price amazing price until you can successfully higher now on terms of the overall Compaq edge. I don't know that it's completely unreasonable. I think there's probably reverts to grow. But I think we're the really interesting thing happens is what we noticed kora, which is that if you think about how most engineers are really a lot of individuals boys their profile how they think about I quickly. Have you talked to many of them, even those savvy people often really think of equity as a lottery ticket, and if you think of it as a lottery ticket that means you're essentially assigning expected value zero and that to me always start was really odd because investors, obviously don't assign a valuable almost zero to their equity in companies. So we kind of thought step back Corinth thought, he why are we giving away equity as a significant portion of the compensation package expected value to the engineer whoever the is zero. Why wouldn't we instead go raise some additional capital for people who adequately value at value? Leads at a higher rate. And instead convert that money that we get from investors in higher salaries to make this more competitive, and I'm surprised to see more companies are doing this. Because really it just seems like almost it's just like inefficiency in the marketplace. And also if you think about for engineers or any individual employees, look, it makes sense that they can't necessarily value at the same as investors because their time horizon from financial perspective may not be the age ten years. Many companies are taking to go public. They may need more inquisitive sooner. And so I think it's just interesting that a lot of companies still are really behind scenes shifts humidity in their economic model. I'm is a fascinating perspective. I'm for sure. So let's at least age found butts, and I come to you as one of your Portia companies say, Sarah, I'm struggling to construct my comb plan. What would you advise me looking to build and retain that Rennie strong team in terms of coal plant construction? So I think that we are living in a world where you for your schedule is. Is really outdated and sort of a legacy from somewhat like twenty years ago. When companies typically went public more like Florida five here's now, clearly we're staying private much longer and most individual employees can't afford to wait that long to get put any and then you combine the fact that the average tenure of an employee in a competitive market like San Francisco is about a year and a half. So it's interesting. Why are we giving these four your grants to people when they might likely studied of and a half? So I recommend that people really considering thinking through what did he wished it up, and you instead gave a bit more cash in front, and you gave to your grants. All right. And then every year you gave an annual refresher. I think the positives of that is that you certainly you type less of your option all early on. And you also have an opportunity every year to reevaluate unto brandishing grass to your employee's would also feels good overtime. And I just think that's like a much more efficient way to manage expectations into really respond to the current market conditions brew Montana coup feasibility. He case is super challenging in terms of adding these additional years as ending changed him lost fee is to make that easier and more possible accessible said I'm asking what is it still exist at that time the answers, you know, well, just the way it's done. It's really complicated to keep track of a lot of the stuff at that time living in spreadsheets tracking was really a mess. And now we have great companies like Sparta that have really automated a lot of this backoffice administration. And so, but it was a lot more flexibility that companies have in terms of how they think about granting I would eat it doesn't mean that you certainly need to have some process and thought behind your refresher program and to do that early. But I think that is actually really smart on behalf of the company to be honest, you when I left Facebook, it was after forty seven months. I mean, I could look ahead is the my best thing schedule was about to radically change and you want to avoid this these rapid stuck up Shen changes or decreases in someone's equity vesting because at does actually drive attrition. So if you have maybe a two year or year up from brands in the new author annual refresher is you're much better position to keep that smooth for the long haul for the employees. This is so fired me to throw this in. But I do have to do you think the attrition rates in the volley today is a feature or bug? It's kind of twofold and people on either side of the coin, well, regardless sort of the reality. I think something like if you've found this behavior happening in your product, you kind of have to do your best to optimize around it. And I do think that right now the reality is that -tations of workers coming out of school are really high. And I also don't think it's completely irrational. Foreign individuals leads to build her folio of diverse equity. I happen to stay or her five and a half years in Facebook for four years, but it's not rational that some individuals decide to take a one two maybe three years of equity out a few companies to build their own portfolio over. I do think it's massive challenge organizations because we still. I used to serve planning around careers in extending people will stay pats on that tribal knowledge. And so I do you want to think about stuff the executive ranks of leadership ranks, how do you increase the tenure of those people because they have huge impact on your organization. But I think you have to also be peg Matic and realized how you onboard and got people productive and learning engaged very quickly when the first coming out of slope. But also assume that they may only be there for a year and a half to two years and made that as unexciting and engaging of a journey as possible. No, I agree. More times kind of efficiency within that allow time in ensuring the highest possible level, I do want to discuss one more before the quickfire on. So I wanted to discuss the underrepresentation of southern groups in venture. You were the fuss female GP at Bain still Senate GP's all women so stalling with an average of cools Asian, here's Sarah, you said to me before there are two Jomon reasons for this misrepresentation. So tell me what all those two reasons in your mind. So I think that it's easy for people to blame the old boy. Network. But in my view, there's more systematic and structural reasons why this happen. So if you wanna get a quick tutorial, I do commend reading Harda and the hashtag angels post on the gap table. But a couple of barriers really stood out to me. Sure is is the GP requirement. So LP's do looks to new managers to commit a certain percent of their capital the funds. So if someone's trying to raise a fifty million dollar fund, for example, that could mean there's this expectation of a one million dollar G P commitment was a lesson come from money or you're one of the women in senior ranks of Rocketship accent, financial outlay, really deters eliminates the ability of women, and maybe underrepresented minorities. So it's understandable that as wanna see their fund managers have skin in the game. But I think this is somewhat outdated who will really limit the diversity of new con- managers. And the second thing is what I think of as sort of this, quote unquote blackbox of angel investing. So when you don't come from wealth like in my case UC super angels, like Chris soccer, Mark Cuban or keeps ROY Peter Thiel. These are the law. Voices sometimes in the Twitter universe making investments against feel line. You have to Dhaka millionaire more to get started. So I had no idea what it would take to get started in angel investing in talk to many women who could afford to angel investing. And also similarly had no idea even falsified when a breakdown requirements of what it tasted UniCredit investor. Many of them are really surprised that really got the income of Raymond two hundred thousand dollars in the last two years in the next year, and you could get started. And so they really Howard when I tell them they can get started just writing twenty five K Jack since early stage companies maybe budget one hundred caves or quoting put tuition learning the world of investing going through the motion. And I feel like a lot of it's helping a lot of women and underrepresented groups to break it down. What it takes to actually get started. They don't really have to be a sincerely DACA millionaire to get started. I couldn't agree with you on birth. I think the GP commit one is absolutely ridiculous. I think it should be proportional. Or frankly, I've seen I've seen. Three percent two billion. And it's like us like my pocket money to present someone else huge on yet completely relatives. So totally with you that to tell me if this is why it happens. Let's say a way in an O'Malley all ship, and we really want out off us female GP. Or should we do? Now. What is the next step? I think a lot of venture funds are in this position. Now, what's slop? Yes. In fact, seventy percent of firms in the United States, do not yet have a female. So I think this is really pertinent question. I bought you ask so few Stephan recommend number one. It's really important to make sure, you know, full commitment at the top of this is truly important of irony for the firm because you believe the data that shows you will drive higher returns as you have more diverse group. And certainly if you have maybe not even just one armor, but a couple of partners picture every partners on board of that. And if not there's really no quite because then you bring in someone they're not going to be successful evolve. The art agreement that this school is successful her second. Julian Gordon, you'll be clear on the criteria. And what you expected the partner as you're like many firms, you've probably hire your friends or your former colleague saving calls remains or some of your founders. You may not have ever actually really stop to think about what is critical to success as partner in your firm. You may not have any objective criteria. So take the time down check around with a group. Make sure like allocated on what does it actually mean to be harder here? What's important for success? It's funny. But oftentimes when people talk about diversity is whole notion of lowering the bar not lowering the bar comes out. But when you actually sit down and look at it, most groups that are have not been very diverse. I haven't set a bar verse place to make sure you actually have really clear expectations. It's not sexy. But a super important third. I would say is really to just source in earnest. So my partner audit deigned found me they ask him his network referrals and Jocelyn Goldstein instead of venture state. The my name beefy wasn't even on my radar yet till you to really ask directly earnestly for referrals. Productions in all raise actually has a portal adding jobs publicly and financially that we share with our members. So I would say really get active in do sourcing. And then four say you'd have to ask hard questions in the interview process and also daily let her join in investment committee or to department meeting encourage her to participate in Sharon views, this is related to white interview process. So if you saw those conversations while those sides are feeling really good kid, then moved to action actually make an offer. I see a lot of firms dawdling at this stage really important to take action vis- decisive the other alternative all that would be to start a farm team. So you could actually put some star women baby exacts in your portfolio in business, potentially set aside two hundred fifty K two million for them to invest on your behalf to get them to rest to get them. Experience. Get some exposure to investing donuts standards deals are going to be amazing right away. It certainly took you time to get good at this job, but has come up and help them think through their investments holding their craft in reach. Potential. Don't love it. You might get their royalty Mike them as a partner, and you certainly may get more results Bamsey lumpy strategies. And I think as she does no reason why you couldn't do both at the same time. We'll most in terms of kind of in generating the next generation Ondon cool praising the current incredible crawl into partnership. I guess -absolutely say Casey kind of logical steps once we have that incredible within all wrong. So people with an Rx we wanna make them as successful as possible. What can be done to make you first female GP successful. Is there any cases where you often maybe see some going roll, we'll make some mistakes that have been nations and to be honest. These are really probably things that would benefit any new art, regardless of gender any other backgrounds, but I certainly mentorship apprenticeship business, and I had an article mentorship for my arms and Bain. They often we'll jump on the phone sit down with me, Gobert and Efim puzzle. That and thinking of and with day are really really good at. I don't even think they realized that I really armor teacher is there, really. Great at creating psychological safety. So they will point out merits of. Why am I be interested in a deal? They'll ask questions of curiosity. Not in a do not think of this kind of tone. So they made me feel really an hour to move forward. And also give me really good article suggestions after mentorship. I'd spec amend that you maintain your and criteria. I think this is really hard some chance when you bring in a new remember certain underrepresented group, there could be impatient to first few deals through or sort of be a little bit softer on your criteria. Just to get their feet wet. I would Kerr incurs you to hold the same standard and make sure if you know in your heart that is not a good deal this partner to do. Don't let them walk into it. I think it's really important that you make sure that you decided success in helping them make sure her deals are going to be a runaway success. I'd also recommend you not give her the diversity tax. So it's really common. I think good intentions. People say great never personal burger. Will you now mentor all the women in our? If you think about that that's really putting a burden of a lot of time on that one individual and happens organically, all the time in ensuring also intact, and it's really important actually limit those kinds of taxes. And instead make sure that Ursus preserve being much time as awful to be successful in their job at a lot. I recommend that you encourage professional development and be ready to invest generously in letting her go to conferences socializing network a lot with her peers, it's a pretty rare opportunity that as a woman, you're in a room of all women investors. So if there are things that she can go to conferences encourage her to do that. I don't force. It kinda goes without saying, but make sure you're paying fairly like really make sure you're sitting down looking at everything being offered yourself in making sure there's no pig. I certainly agree with you on all of them, especially the atom of the investment criteria keeping the same. I think he's super putting super easy as you set the fuss few obstinately kind of leading the way. Then holding not in the foot for a long time in having not as a potential button in the fuss. She is in super important. So with you that for sure in terms of the next step. I would love to do a quickfire round with these statements as you give me your immediate thoughts about. All you ready still haven't I am. Okay. So I'm flying to the west coast. I need a book for the trick. What? Bush should I be reading? And why sir? Clara we discovered that a lot of women struggle to really right and put their thoughts out there. So I'm going to recommend a couple of writers one you've probably heard of his Topi from China. I think it's a really interesting insight into the valley. Secondly, I actually read it myself. But it has just come out one of my former colleagues from Facebook, Julie Zo just almost a book called the making of a manager. And I'm really excited to hear about her insides, she's been well, regarded as an amazing leader manager face cranks. Sounds like she shows a lot of our ability in this book, absolutely develops, not not. I'm definitely gonna buy that one. But what's it called? Sorry. The making of a manager guess gonna Wolfson new per Foale for VP of people that was a clip tongue. You'd have to be with. Yeah. I have a lot of downers and thing because I ran the people or and came from not traditional HR backgrounds. I hear this more and more the founders are really looking for someone who has balance of real world experience as general manager and confound sort of the rest from the business side. Also the human side though, I'm seeing. Vile is successful people manager of growing organizations, or there was a rude, legal culture. So they're often coming out with sales operations, something pretty process-oriented. But also become out of products in engineering world, people forget, Chris Cox, actually ran our recruiting for while Facebook. So I think you can find people come from within the ranks of a company, I'm bringing them in Snapple. Not this is the first time we've ever had this one. But it's especially USA was the favourite bowl game. And y yeah, I would crave the board game game. My husband and I spend a ton of time playing games. So for those of your other or gain gauge listeners out there having three recommendation so people who like decling games a few lights minion I'd recommend you try star realms who claim out a lot for cooperative games and MC legacies season. One is really fantastic lesson for German strategy board game. So if you've heard of settlers of Italian probably the best known one for a game like down Sturridge, we've been consumed with a game all tear forming Mars and we play castle burgundy far. A lighter weight game. But I have probably list of twenty more. I could recommend people are interested. I made my would what a hoagie. Naming them. And I was like I have no idea what she's talking about. I will be doing an Amazon show off to this helmet remote. What is inevitable? How do you address? The downsides. Are we have really lack of empathy and trust that can develop over time as well. As long as so I really need to create opportunities for people to keep back to express appreciation and feel recognize so tooling Slager really tape instincts now, but I think like gona, sleet, if you haven't heard of that they enable peer to peer bonuses actually on top of slack, which really creates come rodri- across a Deckers team in remote locations in a really obligate and lightweight lay. The you also repaired to invest in travel and really bring the whole company you together at least once a year and a lot of folks are actually working from home, maybe conservative a benefit of a stipend or something to actually create a really lovely office environment at home, something that makes them feel like you really care about the physical environment that they're in the no I love that in terms of the stipend to make the physical environment. Beautiful. Tell me what advice. Most me you disagree with I hear people tell women to join a firm as the first female partner for fear that they will be quote, unquote, the token partner, I think that's crazy. I don't know how we're going to change things at we shun the seventy four percent of US firms who don't have a female partner, so rally shaming news terms. I think we should really be helping those that are raising their hands asking for help and see recruiting unwelcoming the conversations identity Jew higher. The first Email partner, we really should throw our support in an effort behind those women out is it intimidating wash difficult. Alamo allude to come into like anyone coming into a similar people in that respect would be maybe wanting is it don't seem really thinking. My actually a lot of my peers who are the first woman in their partnerships. A lot of us do come from backgrounds. Detectives. So it's often not the first time we've been the only woman in the room. So I think it's wave some of us have been conditioned for it. But really, I think it matters a lot with the culture, the farmers like, you know, one of the things I was looking for when I was searching sitting in with partners or partner meetings, his conversation, the tone gonna shift because. I'm in the room. And I was really looking for farm where I didn't feel like actually the way they converse with each other the way they make decisions the way they literally behave with each other was going to have to change that much just because now woman was grim. I don't the case that every far like I think there are some firms that would really struggle with that. But for me, luckily, I felt being already extremely respectful open culture. And so I felt right at home. I got there are student things have come up here and there, but I think you by Byers done a really good job of encouraging me to bring up things to speak out when I see things that maybe by be slightly awkward, or you know, show any kind of bias. And I certainly done that on occasion, it's on really really well Folsom. That's great hand. But I do wanna finish today on you'll most recent public the amounts investments, Sarah and tell me what she gets so excited and latest investment publicly was seen investment in a company called perk. Steve based in New York is Kirk CPR K s lie. It's a market research at for the next generation who take your. Clearly gems Genesee on millennials. So the product engagement rate is really insane. Which is what really caught my attention. But I said yes to this because I really love the founder Nadia mastery dot just because she's stiffer dynamic shoes part of the demographics deeply understands this demographic, but she is super Caughlin how should crap her team with industry veterans. So she has hired some folks from Nielsen you have thirty years of experience on her on as part of her executive team. So she brings a consumer product ones that resonates with our audience, but her team really knows how to sell them deliver to the brand. So I'm really excited about artsy. Sarah how they said at the beginning. I've so enjoyed all Twitter's rations for long time. So I'm so pleased that we go see this, and I call it a fight you for joining me. Stay thank you so much. It was such a pleasure. My word. I mean, what a guest, and I do wanna take John say, Houston he'd Sarah she's going above and beyond to help me outside of the show. So I really do. So appreciate that. And if you'd like more from Sarah, you can find her on Twitter at SA Smith fold coins, it'd be great see behind the scenes the twenty minute minutes. You can do that on Instagram at H dubbing nineteen Ninety-six with two Bs really would love to see that. But before we leave each day, I'm always focused on scaling my time. And I was always cramp travel bookie and management well, not anymore while because I now use travel pug, the business travel management platform that even I love it's just so super easy to travel and actually quite fun favourite nobody enforce with travel agents oil finance team. But it gives you the best of both worlds companies just got happy travelers, so easy a management and as much as twenty percent in savings with one hundred percent incompliance go to take that compliance books these days and even better no one is getting to chase people for sees full worry about splurging on overly expensive penthouse suites. 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6/10/19: Later is Now (Gabe Grunewald Mantra)
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You can also join the conversation find Christian on Twitter at Kristen Carney. Wise woman, once said, fuck this shit, and she lived happily ever after. Hi, this is coach MK, and this is the morning mantra. Hi, my name is MK Flynn. I'm Ren coach based in Denver, Colorado, but this isn't a podcast about running. Exactly don't tell my clients, but we're never really talking about running. When you know crap testing event is coming it helps have a mantra to keep you centered and focused as you move through. You don't have to be an athlete to be hashtag coached, and loved by coach MK. And if you are here, then you are hashtag winning at life. Today's mantra is later is now. Later is now. On friday. I realized that I'd forgotten to communicate to everyone that fall racing season is upon us. Prep starts on Monday June the tenth. Meaning if you aren't yet starting maintain you should you will not be ready to use the ten week marathon ramp in August. If your race is at the end of October mind blown. So I decided I needed communicate this better. Susan took one look at my later starts Monday ad and suggested we make one small change to later is now which, of course, made it brilliant earth, just like your suggestions. Always do I loaded the ad boosted. The post and walked away. This afternoon. Just in Grunwald posted an update on his wife gave many of us have been following her since her first rare cancer diagnosis in two thousand nine. And this afternoon. She was moved palate care. The end is near. It's pride week in Denver. And I had really wanted this week to be upbeat and celebratory. And I hope I can provide that tomorrow. Today, though. I'm donating to the brave light gay foundation that funds rear cancer research. And I'm letting my heartbreak. When my husband tells me he will do something later. I tease him that later means. No, because we have four kids and get distracted. It's never intentional. Thanks creep up on us like started the training plan. New York City is twenty one weeks away you guys, it's not long doing Joe. Don't join maintain later. Join it now later means no. I wonder what cave mitt to do later? I wonder how much she was able to do when she realized that for her for sure later means now. Actually, we do know she told Sports Illustrated in two thousand seventeen interview. After learning that ACC her rear her type very rare cancer five year survival rates are very high. And she attacked his five years. Justin was away at medical school in Duluth says she stayed out a little later drank a little more beer and a little more red wine escaping experiencing a life sheet avoided in the past. Sometimes those nice ended in tears and drama, she said, because I would get emotional about everything. Emotional. That one thing women are not supposed to be because hormones. When I hear that I hear grateful, I hear gratitude, I hear appreciation. I hear someone understanding that later is now that it needs to be now. So. The mantra. In honor of Gabe, if you catch yourself at any point saying, you'll do something later. Hear my voice in the back of your head saying later is now. Into being emotional means I'm being grateful. The net means I'm being hashtag. Brave light Gabe and I'll take it. But I think that a wrap this up and snuggle, my babies now brother than later. Coats. He went knives. And you are winning. And you are definitely winning at life. If you subscribe, my Muslim newsletter. Follow me on Facebook or following on Instagram feel free to do all three.
Georgia's Runoff Ends. Doomed Electoral College Certification Fight Begins.
"This is trey in cleveland. Ohio and i got an email over the holidays that i listened to forty thousand three hundred seventy four minutes of content on the npr one app. This puts me in the top two percent of the npr politics podcast listeners. This specific podcast was recorded at two twelve pm. On january. fifth twenty twenty. One things may have changed by the time you hear it but i will probably still be listening to. Npr enjoyed the show. I swear we did not pay him to say that. Everyone winner gold medal. I know all right. Hey there it is the npr politics podcast. I'm danielle kurt slaven. I cover politics. I'm cloudy solicit congress. It is the last day of voting in georgia with two runoff elections for senate seats. One between democrat. Jon ossoff end. Republican david perdue the other between democrat raphael. Warnock and republican. Kelly leffler these as we've been saying on this podcast are enormously important races. They will determine the balance of power in the senate chamber which means huge implications for how much of his agenda president elect. Joe biden might be able to enact and so joining us we have. Npr sarah mccamman. She is a georgia expert. She used to work for our member station in georgia. Hello sarah -at's right. I did and hello happy new year. Yes you too. It's great to talk to you again. so let's get right down to business both the president and the president-elect have been campaigning in the state recently what are the closing arguments here on both sides in both of these races so the big theme is what you were. Just talking about danielle. Just how high the stakes are here. How much significance. These two runoffs have not for georgia but for the whole country in atlanta biden. Yesterday said the power is literally in your hands. One st can chart the court not just for the next four years but for a generation president trump has also stressed during his rally. Here in dalton where i'm recording from. Today he was he was engulfed and last night he stressed the importance of republicans. Getting out the vote in huge numbers and reelecting those republican senators but he also spent a lot of time weaving in and out of talking about the senate runoff while also talking about his own grievances with republican elections officials. Here and the republican governor. Who have affirmed biden's win in georgia. Something he still does not accept and he continues to tout. These conspiracy theories debunked conspiracy theories about voter fraud. You know it's interesting that we have seen washington. Dc very focused on this race. It's really impacted the the politics here. For example some would argue that this recent wave of coronavirus relief aid was passed in part to boost these candidates that they both want to argue on both sides of the aisle that they help bring that through and is bringing it to voters in georgia. Meanwhile in terms of these national implications we're also seeing potential twenty twenty four candidates down there in the field trying to reach out to voters perhaps at the beginnings of their own aspirations of trying to run for president in two thousand twenty four well and one measure that kind of blew my mind although maybe it's not that shocking. When you think about it. Is that these. Two races are now the number one and number two most expensive senate races ever according to the center for responsive politics and on top of that just seems like everything about these races is huge. Turnout has already broken georgia's record for senate runoff turnouts. I mean sarah. What does that look like on. The ground isn't just being bombarded with ads. Phone calls that sort of thing constantly. Yeah that's my sense. I mean just driving down the highway. You see billboards everywhere. You see signs all over the place and of course as we've mentioned a lots of outside money. Hundreds of millions of dollars in ads have been spent on these races in from georgia and across the country. Lots of outside people so to speak Both grassroots organizers and volunteers and paid. Staffers you know the democrats have a huge ground game here. Republicans also have a lot of people canvassing at least in the past few days. Since i've been here both sides do realize just how significant these runoffs are and they're making their last big push. What issues seem to be at the center of the race here. What issues are the parties bringing up or maybe more pointedly. To what degree is this a race about the issues or is it just about nationalized politics is it all about trump biden. Senate control that sort of thing. I'd say it's much more the ladder. Just a little side note. There is a third run off election in georgia today. for public service commissioner and in that race people are talking about things like utility costs in georgia but in general in the two big races. Everyone's paying the most attention to the senate runoffs. It really is primarily about national politics and not just senate control but big issues facing the country like the coronavirus pandemic. i've heard a couple of voters. Democratic voters mentioned. That is a big concern over the weekend. In warner robins georgia. I met danielle goings. She works in healthcare. She's fifty five. She was added rally for warnock. And she said she's really motivated to elect these two democrats. Because we gotta stop mitch. We had to stop match because mitch mcconnell has already showed his hand on what he would do. He doesn't care about americans not in A high he doesn't care about you and she was referring of course to the coronavirus relief. Package that cloudy was just mentioning and expressing the feeling that it really fell. Short of what americans really need. Especially those who've lost jobs to get through this crisis. And sarah what are you hearing from. Republicans we've been hearing so much come out of the state including president trump who called into the state recently raising. These claims that the elections in georgia have been rigged. What have you been hearing from. Other republicans in the state you know. Cloudy of the people that come to these events to rallies and you know get out the vote. events and canvassing are motivated engaged republican. So i want to caveat this with that But the people. I'm meeting are at minimum. They don't trust the system and Many of them are very very angry. I talked to bruce carter. He's sixty six lives outside atlanta and he'd come to dalton last night to this trump rally. He said it's his seventh trump rally. And he's still refuses to accept the election results. I asked him why he won't believe republican elections officials in georgia who affirmed biden's victory and he raised some baseless conspiracy theories wallet scout bands. Darnold tell but right. We have any anything to back that up. Greg do dude possibly because it's true best resident in my lifetime. He's been the best president of my lifetime and probably the best president. United states never had so. I'm assuming that. Joe biden is inaugurated in a couple of weeks. What do you think that means for the country arberg will be a war locking low baby. We fought for his country many times. And ain't gonna stop now. Would you actually commit violence against fellow citizens yourself and at that point he just walked off and if one person said this i might dismiss it as a fringe but in just a few days of reporting here in georgia three different people two republicans and one democrat have independently expressed to me that they either are concerned about violence or even willing to engage in it. And i think this is also reflective of the broader skepticism. I mentioned among republicans The lack of faith in the election system that's been seated and promoted by president trump. all right. Well we're going to leave it there for now. Sarah thank you so much for your reporting and it's always a delight to talk to you. Thank you so much. Good to talk to you all to all right. We're gonna take a break now when we come back. We're going to talk about the process of certifying. The electoral college results. This message comes from. Npr sponsor hint fruit infused water with no calories or sweeteners. Hint water comes over twenty. Five flavors the watermelon. Water actually taste like watermelon. The blackberry water tastes like blackberries. Hint is water with a touch of true fruit flavor. You can get hint water at stores or you can have it delivered directly to your door. When you buy two cases you'll get a third case. Free and free shipping visit drink hint dot com and use promo code. Npr at checkout life. Kid is rethinking new year's resolutions. All this january. We're thinking about both really big and really small changes if you're wanting to change up your life and start fresh. We've got you covered if you're looking to just make your home. A little nicer. We got you there to listen to the life. Kip podcast from npr. And we're back. Not only with cloudy gra sally's but also with the one. The only ron elving ron hello. Hey good to be with you guys. Happy new year guys tomorrow. Congress is set to certify the electoral college results. I've got to say. I've been in the news for years now. I don't recall this much attention ever being put on this before but it's been a time since standard affairs stopped. Being standard norms are out the window. So let's talk about the process tomorrow. First things first claudia. What is the schedule of events. How does this go down. This all kicks off at one pm. Wins day in the house chamber. So we'll see senate members head over to that chamber to commence vice president. Mike pence will take over as presiding officer and basically they'll go state by state over their certificate of electoral results and trump in his republican allies have targeted several states. Remember say they'll object so a house member will need a partner in a senate member for an objection to be heard in are focused on six states. Arizona georgia michigan nevada pennsylvania and wisconsin. And so once an objection has a house and senate member objecting jointly on that state. The members will depart to their respective chambers. Though here those objections debate for up to two hours it could be less but all in all. It's a very long day. That will stretch perhaps late into wednesday and into thursday. And it's really hard to say how long this could go on. But we're all going to wait and see absolutely. It has been as little as twenty three minutes but We did have a hiccup in two thousand five. There was an objection from a house. Member and one senator. They did go to their chambers and have a debate. Comeback very lopsided votes to disallow those objections and allow the electors from ohio to vote. So that didn't amount to much. But that was a little bit of a hiccup. They tried in two thousand round the state of florida. You may remember all that Incredible dispute over florida back in two thousand. And when that got to this point and they were approving the electors there was some talk about objecting to florida but there was no senator who was willing to join the house members so it didn't come to anything at that point and really all of this stuff is pretty much nineteenth century it. All of it comes from a a law back in eighteen eighty seven and we don't have to go into where that came from but it was trying to solve a big mess that basically came out of the end of the civil war and not that as claudia said. This could be a very long process so we will be putting our podcast out later than usual tomorrow because the process could go on for a while But getting back to you claudia. Tell us more about these senators house members these people who might object who are they and what does it tell us about what's going on. These are very close. Allies to president trump. We expect more than a hundred house. Republicans to sign off on these objections and now more than a dozen senate republicans have said. They're planning to object as well meaning. They're planning to join these house members in their objections of these various states result. We are noting that some of these folks are candidates or or pope to be candidates for the twenty twenty four elections. This could be a moment for them to make their mark on this stage. Now this is going to be a much bigger stage than usual and they're kind of fighting it out on who is going to be the biggest trump ally and we see members such as josh hawley of missouri This was the first senate republican. Who said he would sign onto this and then saw the dominos fall after that. And that includes. Ted cruz of texas is another twenty twenty four hopeful and so we may see a lot of that come wednesday in terms of these folks who have these presidential aspirations. This is not going to change the results of the election. But on the other hand this is a group of lawmakers attempting to subvert the results of a fair election. I mean give us some perspective. Here how big of a deal is this. How worrisome is this you. This is dangerous territory. It's dangerous idea but it's not going to go anywhere and we can't emphasize this too strongly. The president has been urging mike pence to exercise some power. The president imagine that he has to cast out the reports from some of the states. There are no competing slates of electors. There are only the agreed upon electors all of its been certified by the governors of all fifty states in both parties. It's been up to courts all over the country and trump judges as well as other judges have basically kicked it away. So this is just an attempt relate to endear a number of republican senators to the strongest supporters of president trump and show their loyalty to the president in the final days of his time in office. All right well let's leave it there for now reminder that we'll be back like tomorrow after watching all of this closely to wrap up the biggest moments from the certification process until then daniel slaven. I cover politics. I'm claudio getting solicit cover congress. And i'm ron elving editor correspondent and thank you for listening to npr politics podcast.
5/31/19: RUN AWAY!!!!
"Sharing really is caring truly the best way you can show a small business owner. How much you care is to share your love publicly. In a world where Amazon reviews and yelp stars can be purchased your off into confusion, Hasim is priceless. It matters you matter people pay attention, even if they don't let you know, it to someone who does not yet know our brand or what it means to be hashtag coached in loved your voice is what makes us real. So please invite your friends to, like our Facebook page tag, your buddies in the comments of an Instagram or Facebook posts that you like share one of our super cool fitness protection. Branded Facebook post on your Facebook page with a note about why you think are awesome. Give us a testimonial posted testimonial, somewhere tag us in it and talking about the impact our community or or are coaching has had on your running. We're gonna love you either way the co Sarah, she isn't gonna love me very long. I can't pay her. We gotta grow, thanks, advance for any help you be willing to give. Hey listeners wanna share your opinions gift feedback or Tillman coach Sarah, what you thinking send us voice message voice messages aren't easy way for you to send us audio that might end up in a future episode of the mantra pod, there, the latest feature from anger the platform, we used to make this podcast. You can share Zinger that you hear cool phrase that we could use in the mantra, open. We're tell us how a mantra helped you move through a tough moment will see all of your messages, and we might have them into a future episode because anchor makes that part easy for us as well. You can send us voice message right now from wherever you're listening. Just tap the Lincoln my show notes. I can't wait to hear from you. Hi, this is coach Sarah, and this is the morning mantra. Hi. My name is Kay flinty. I'm Ren coach based in Denver, Colorado. But this isn't a podcast about running. Exactly don't tell clients but. Never really talking about the running when, you know, crap test event is coming. It helps heaven mantra to keep you centered and focus. I should miss through. You don't have to be an athlete to be hashtag coached, and loved by coach MK. And if you are here, then you are hashtag winning at the life. Today's mantra is run away. Run. You probably know this about me, but I used to be famous in quotes for my Monty python impressions. I actually had a friend in high school, who would March me in front of her very pro British dead. And make me do my Monty python impressions for him because she was so convinced that he would think it was charming and be impressed if he didn't, then he did a very, very good impression of being good natured and saying, oh, that's so funny, as I did a British accent in front of. My best work actually was exploding. Penguin on top of the television set had that one memorized, not gonna talk about exploring pigment, on top of the television set. I'm going to talk about my python, and the holy grail and the certain character called Sir, Robin, now the movie loves to make fun of Sir Robin because his name is Sarah, the brave, but he always runs away. And there is this song that's all about his brave deeds and then the song ends by saying, so rawal then ran away away. Brave Braves Robin, and it's very funny because it's all about how brave he's supposed to be what a gallon night and nights. Don't run away accepts a Robin runs away. Here's the thing, though. So Ravin survives almost until the end of the movie on, like most of the other minor characters. Sir, Robin runs away from fights. He knows he can't win a three headed giant. Yeah. He's going to run away, you know who doesn't run away from. A fight. He can't win the black Knight doesn't even run away. Once he's had both his arms cut off and can't hold a sword anymore. He doesn't run away until both of his legs are cut off. And he's literally stump on the ground say, come back here. I'll bite your legs off. That guy doesn't run away from fight, but look what happened to him so we can laugh all we want it serandon. But I have to say that I have a certain amount of respect for someone who, even though he is a night in the are thirty and times. And even though they're all these expectations that he'd be brave, and gallant and chivalrous, and all these things that he runs away when he knows that. No good can come of him staying in this fight. I think about this because I have a three year olds and I get in a lot of fights that I realized very quickly, I can't win by continuing to fight the only way to win is to retreat take breath. And then resume once we're on an even playing field again. I e once my kid has had a few minutes to take some deep breaths and get a hold of herself. Once I've had a few minutes, take some deep breaths and get a hold of myself, then we work on solving the problem. But when it's a fight between someone who is bound and determined to get what she wants out of me by any means necessary, and she's going to throw herself on the floor and pound, the ground fake cry until I give in. That's not a fight. I can win by staying there. I turn around I run away and I give it a minute, and I really do think of it in those, I think of it as Eric idols voice in my head's egg runaway run away, because it just takes me out of the moment, this much just enough to see that actually this is pretty silly, actually, there is a way to be the least silly person in this room, and I am taking that way. Next time you're in a fight. You can't win think of serandon the brave and run away. Coats. Loved, and you are winning. And you are definitely winning live. If you subscribe, my newsletter follow me on Facebook or follow on Instagram, feel free to do. All three. 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Retail Sales Notch Higher for Third Straight Month
"Here. The extraordinary secrets of how to thrive disrupted world, the old rules of management are not ready, correct anymore. So what works making a wise, pivot, pivot to the future, with will I am and Omar Abba, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. The month of may brought more good news for the US retail sector. We saw that retail sales increase pretty strongly in may, and that follows a solid, April reading too. So overall consumers are doing pretty well and showing resilience. This is what's news from the Wall Street Journal time Ameri for totally in New York. Before we get to US, retail sales here are some other top stories we're following this afternoon, we reported on this morning's edition of the podcast, that tensions between the US and Iran are threatening key shipping routes in the Gulf of Oman. Heightened tensions continued Friday with Iran denying responsibility for attacks on two fuel tankers in the Gulf, President Trump echoed, other US officials asserting that Iran is to blame in an interview with Fox News on Friday tensions between the US and Iran have been rising. The US has imposed new sanctions on the country after withdrawing from the twenty fifteen nuclear deal the US and its allies have accused Iran of orchestrating a series of attacks in recent weeks, including other attacks on four ships in the Persian Gulf last month, as well as drone attacks on who the rebels in Saudi Arabia. Wikileaks founder Julian Assange appeared via video link before a British court on Friday. Where a judge set the date for his full US extradition hearing for next year. The Wall Street Journal's Joanna sug Dan has more. Details from London. This was a preliminary stage in his extra hearing weather, US government counsel, laid out some of the charges against him. They accused him of the largest compromise of classified information in the living history of the United States, and the accused him of having conspired along with Chelsea Manning to hack a government computer, Mr. sons denied having a computer and denied that we links was in the business of hacking, he said that nobody should be fooled into thinking that weeks was anything but a publish his legal team said that the charges against him amounted to a full frontal assault on Genesee rights on just full US extradition. Hearing has been set for next year at the end of February. Facebook is planning to increase its advertising spending the company's marketing chief Antonio, Lucio says Facebook could more than double its spending as it works on campaigns for brands under its umbrella, and colluding, what's app, an Instagram. He also acknowledged that the company has made mistakes, and that Facebook's reputation has suffered from election interference and misinformation on the platform. He says Facebook has already started to rebuild trust with consumers with the redesign of its website and app that allow for war privacy. Here. The extraordinary secrets of how to thrive in a disrupted world old rules of management are not ready, correct anymore. So what works making a wise proven, pivot to the future. Will I am Omar Abbas, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Retail sales notched a third straight month increases in may showing consumers are willing to spend even amid continued trade tensions. Joining me now from Washington is Wall Street Journal reporter Sara Cheney the Syra consumer spending makes up about two-thirds of the nation's economic output. So what did we learn from the latest report about the health of the US retail sector? We saw that retail sales increase pretty strongly in may, and that follows a solid, April reading too. So overall consumers are doing pretty well and showing resilience Sarah, what are there, any particular segments in the retail sector that we saw that did particularly well in may? So it was pretty broad based, which is always a good signal for the economy. We saw retail sales rose and electronics sporting goods restaurants. Those are all sort of discretionary spending. Categories. So it shows that people have more money in their pockets, and they're, they're willing to go out and shop, some let's talk a little bit about inflation. We know the Federal Reserve keeps a close eye on that. And it's been running below their two percent. Target is the may retail report, a potential concern there. So really for consumers will inflation is good rates. So if you're going out to a store, and you're not seeing huge price increases. That's good for you. You can probably spend a little more money than you, otherwise would for the Federal Reserve at present somewhat of a dilemma, because it's been undershooting there two percent annual inflation target trade tensions, of course, continue to be in the headlines and the latest tariffs on China hit consumer goods. Are we seeing that impact retail sales at also far it's really hard to say at this point, but retailers could feel the squeeze from tariffs in coming months? The trump. Administration put tariffs of twenty five percent on billions of dollars of goods imported from China, the impacts products ranging from clothing to handbags to furniture in so merchants could either absorb the added costs from the price increases themselves, or they might have to pass them along to vendors or even consumers, but that remains to be seen in the coming months. That's Wall Street Journal reporter Sara Cheney joining us from Washington with more on the latest retail sales report. Thanks so much. Sara. Thank you. Now onto some more headlines from the Wall Street Journal. Bayer plans to invest more than five billion dollars over the next ten years on developing weedkillers as the company faces thousands of lawsuits, alleging that roundup the weed killer it inherited through its acquisition of Monsanto causes cancer. The company has lost the first three jury trials over round up all of which it is appealing as it continues to defend the product safety. Bayer says glysophate the active ingredient in roundup will continue to play a role in its portfolio. The company says on its website that it is working on more precise weedkillers, as well as cutting its environmental impact by thirty percent by the year, twenty thirty President Trump and his team or gearing up for twenty twenty reelection bid and our reporters found his campaign, this time around looks much different than it's it in two thousand sixteen the Wall Street Journal's Mike bender has more details this time around the campaign is really turning toward corporate warfare tactics. And away from the kind of seat of the pants campaign that Mr. Trump ran in two thousand sixteen down to a specific branding book guidelines for how the logo should look what kind of shade of red and blue go on merchandise when gold can be used for a specialty merchandise. And this is sort of the level of detail that we just did not see four years ago. The hope here is to present a very clean, image of the president to reassure supporters and try to win over skeptics. But the riskier is that this kind of spontaneous, and no-holds-barred campaign that Mr. Trump ran for years ago that they might lose a little bit of that energy, if they polish the edges off too much here, and we'd like to know what you think should the Trump twenty twenty reelection campaign, let Trump Trump, let us know with a comment at w S j. Dot com or by tweeting us at W S, Jay podcasts, and that's what's news for this Friday afternoon. I'm Anne Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.
More Firms Use AI to Automate Corporate Networks
"The university of alabama school of law online choose between a l l m n tax or business transactions per lawyers or jurors mastering taxation for non lawyers connecting learn we live lectures details at bam abide distance dot usa dot e d u with tech news briefing i'm charlie turner in new york for the wall street journal in a moment will learn about how companies are using artificial intelligence to help their ity networks run more efficiently first harrison tech headlines as they continue to struggle with store closings some usa mall owners and retailers are stepping up their use of technology that recognizes people's faces he says but stopped short of identifying and recording of the technology detects facial features an individual's pets of travel anonymously artificial intelligence is then used a mind that the attitude determined traffic patterns worker performance and consumer reaction to displays in marketing the wall street journal says the facial recognition technology is capable of i deem customers but mall owners say they're worried about violating people's privacy artificial intelligence is the latest technology the shopping center owners using to cope with fast changing consumer tastes and growth in e commerce landlords are hoping they can mine insights on consumer behavior from aggregate datta the demonstrate an increase the value of bricks and mortar warehouse workers who are driving to their jobs at many of the new distribution centers dotting the usa landscape may not be alone recruiters could be on their digital trail the wall street journal says logistics companies looking for workers in a tight usa job market are casting a virtual net using a technique called geo fencing to target people as they drive by sites or even park their cars and competitors lots logistics recruiters are serving up advertisements on workers smartphones for job openings in a field where companies are scrambling to keep up with growing demands of ecommerce and a robust usa economy the booming e commerce has spurred the rapid expansion of sprawling fulfillment centers the handle online purchases still ahead how artificial intelligence can prevent corporate ity t breakdowns university of alabama school of law online choose between l am in tax or business transactions per lawyers or jurors master in taxation for non lawyers connecting learn with live lectures details at bam abide distance dot usa dot e d u as information technology gets more complex companies are turning to artificial intelligence to automate their operations corporate networks they're handling more dataman ever incan breakdown due to increased traffic related emails file transfer his videos and business applications the wall street journal says hey i as powering so called self healing technology to help networks run more efficiently joining us with more on the story is wall street journal reporter sara cast alone host sarah what is the purpose of this is driven technologies to fix network problems as they occur in this prevent networks firm crashing yeah exactly so artificial intelligence is infiltrating trading many areas of large corporations in this case aisha is being used to automate certain ity tasks that would have otherwise been done by humans 'em this is commonly referred to as what you said self driving or self healing ity and this is primarily because machine learning algorithms in many cases have become more advanced 'em and they're proactively in automatically finding problems and fixing them so that's the real advantage these these new algorithms these advanced algorithms yeah so in the past these are corporate i teach tasks that would have been done by humans 'em be a vintage of having artificial intelligence and the knicks is that i couldn't process many more amounts of data on a human can so typically in a human in the past would have to identify a problem for example in application goes down because there's just not enough compute space or storage capacity and dean person would spend a few hours fixing it but with artificial intelligence the problem can be detected and fixed automatically and in some cases prevented from actually happening at all you talked to the chief information officer at adobe the software company how are they using aisha to run the righty networks yes this is an ass off where that's been used for about a year 'em they're using it to automate about twentyfive core ity tasks that would have otherwise been done by humans one example of how they're using it is that the system automatically automatically fixes failures in what's called data patching which is basically a method for processing and transferring large amounts of data the average time to correct a data batching failure in the past was about thirty minutes and say i platform it's been reduced to about three minutes 'em the software is also proactive so it can detect whether a specific business application is about to crash and it can automatically increase the computing or storage capacity for that application and so in some can we say the goal of by is to allow corporate i two systems to run in monitor themselves rather than have humans do the job yeah i mean a lot of companies are saying that it's kind of augmenting their jobs in a way and you know these i teach people not necessarily be replaced it's more about kind of helping them do their jobs better and bring them up from more important tasks but a lot of analysts said i've talked to say that this automation system and i will become a really crucial part of managing and maintaining large networks especially as they get larger was me emergence of five g and i o t and augmented reality in the like who sells this technology isn't rb be one of the companies is selling this technology yeah many companies actually do sell this technology but also companies like adobe or are building it completely in house i'd be on the was one of the first companies to kind of queen or kind of develop the terms of healing technology and they started selling products related to that for about a decade and artificial intelligence has been getting more prevalent as the decade has advanced wasn't there a survey by research search firm i dc in i think they asked ity employees righty workers what their biggest concern was or what they wanna see as far as improvements were concerned yeah as far as improvements who are concerned a lot of them about half of them said that they would want automation and artificial intelligence specifically to make a customer experience meaning the employee experience run various news and smoother than it already is 'em an specifically to a
January Job Growth Tops 300,000 Despite Shutdown
"And. With what's news? I'm Charlie Turner in New York for the Wall Street Journal. We'll talk about the strong January employment report released by the Labor Department Friday. The Wall Street Journal Sarah Cheney will join us I some headlines, and they are topped by the jobs data the economy added over three hundred thousand jobs last month with hiring solid across many sectors, the jobless rate ticked up a bit to four percent and wage growth while strong three point two percent year over year was just one tenth percent last month. Kate Warne investment strategist at Edward Jones says the Federal Reserve won't change course based on the January job growth. No, I wouldn't expect this changes. The Federal Reserve course, partly because the wage growth was right in line with last month's on a year-over-year basis three point two percent. But it was up just a tenth of a percent and Warren says companies have not yet been impacted by wage growth that would result in higher prices companies have been competing for workers more benefits and untrained programs rather than on wage. Ages. But right now, the Lovell awaits growth for seeing is really not enough to make anyone including the fed think that this is likely to push inflation dramatically higher short-term, the workforce shakeout is continuing at new online media companies. Vice media says it's cutting ten percent of the workforce or two hundred fifty jobs as part of a global restructuring the vice layoffs. Follow similar cutbacks at other digital publishers which are reckoning with an increasingly difficult online advertising market last week. Buzzfeed said, it was cutting around two hundred fifty jobs or fifteen percent of its workforce. As it tries to get a path to profitability Verizon media group cut staff at its huff post and Yahoo news units and Mike dot com and other digital publisher laid off almost all its employees before selling itself to bustle digital group refinery twenty nine cut about ten percent of its workforce in October apple apologized for a security flaw in its FaceTime video chat system and set. A software v. Is coming next week the apology came two days after New York governor Andrew Cuomo an attorney general Latisha James said the state would investigate Apple's response to a bug that allowed one FaceTime user, calling another in a conversation to eavesdrop while the recipients device was still ringing the bug affected. Facetime running on I phones, ipads, and Macs. Foxconn major supplier to apple said Friday, it has decided to go ahead with the construction of liquid crystal display factory in Wisconsin that comes two days after saying building such a plant would be economically. Unfeasible the announcement capped a week of uncertainty about plans for the factory which was kansin landed by promising four billion dollars in public support Foxconn announced its decision eighteen months ago to invest ten billion dollars to build a twenty two million square foot LCD panel plan and higher thirteen thousand employees primarily factory workers still ahead. The Wall Street Journal Sarah Cheney joins us to talk about the January and placement report. The economy may be showing signs of a slowdown but job growth really crushed it in January. The Labor Department said nonfarm payrolls grew by three hundred four thousand last month way above expectations the unemployment rate rose to four percent. The rise was due at least in parts of the government shutdown wages rose at better than a three percent rate from your earlier for the straight month joining us from Washington with more on the jobs report is Sarah Cheney of the Wall Street Journal, Sarah January Mark the one hundred straight month of job growth more than eight years. That's really a remarkable achievement. Isn't it? Yes, payrolls have not been negative since September of twenty ten and this really shows that the waiver market is humming along while we have some other economic indicators in recent months that have pointed toward a slowdown. So kind of creates a mixed picture for the US economy will shut down the government shutdown that recently concluded that had little impact on the job pictures that fair to say, yes, the jobs report is derived from two different surveys. There's the establishment survey, which is survey of businesses. And then there's a household survey. And so the payrolls our jobs number comes from the establishment survey, and the Labor Department said that there was basically no discernible impacts on payrolls growth in January. However the. The unemployment rate was impacted the Labor Department said is because the unemployment rate comes from the household survey. And so they are were, you know, hundreds of thousands of furloughed federal workers who were answering this question in the survey of whether they were working and so that caused the unemployment rate to rise to four percent. So I guess it would be fair to say that had it not been for those unusual factors. The jobless rate would have remained roughly the same or even sank. Or is that hard to say, it's really hard to say. But I mean, we can say that in January there wasn't impact on the unemployment rate. And so it's just important to kind of look past the jobless rate and look at the other numbers that we got from this report. And we saw strong payrolls growth. We saw pretty good wage growth is well above three percents for several months in a row now. And so I think just taken as a whole. All the jobs report was was a strong one. And as you mentioned, you know, wage growth it remains strong. But I suppose not enough to cause inflation worries or maybe caused the fed to change course, or anything like that. So the fed is repeated over and over that they're watching all of the economic data. And so I think we'll have lots more data coming in the next few weeks, especially given that the Commerce Department has reopened after being closed during the partial government shutdown. So we'll get new figures from the Commerce Department. And so it's really hard to say what the Federal Reserve is planning to do with regards to rate increases based off of this one report, however in the Fed's policy statements that came out just a couple of days ago seem to indicate that there wouldn't be any rate increases this year. However that that could change with all of the incoming data that we have what about particular sectors, Sarah, what we're strong hiring sectors in the January report, we saw strong, hiring and construction and leisure and hot. Hospitality. We actually saw some increase in government heroes as well. So it was pretty broad based even manufacturing went up. So it kind of saved to say that companies are hiring based off of this data. What about the lagging factors or the lagging indicators of the labor market, Sarah? The Wall Street Journal said the report also showed a broader measure of unemployment cluding those to discourage to look for work plus American stuck in part time jobs, but who want to work fulltime that was up last month. Obviously these measures can be volatile for month to month. But this rate has been elevated compared to when unemployment was similarly whoa around two thousand. So I mean, it does suggest that there is at least some pockets of slack in the labor market the use six the so called us street as you note was the highest since February two thousand eighteen. Eighteen so almost a year into shows that there's some slack left. Wall Street Journal economics reporter, Sara Cheney joining us from Washington. Thanks, sarah. Thanks, and that's what's news. I'm Charlie Turner in New York for the Wall Street Journal.
Facial recognition faces a rethink?
"Read the damn article before you retweeted. That's not may saying that by the way that's literally twitter. They would very much like it. If you read the news out before you re, tweet it and they're actually rolling out functionality to do just that about this week. On this show he's had enough, and we'll have a meaningful impact on the sheer amount of misinformation. There is online plus they are incredibly convincing. computer-generated fight faces real people. People that can be animated, safe and do anything. The cold deep fakes and I have huge repercussions for everything from politics to porn thought one social media giant has a plan to stop them, and why major tech companies are pulling their facial recognition software back from police all that much more coming up? This is your God to the week in media, technology and culture. My name is Marc Fennell and welcome to download this shy. Yes, indeed, it is brand new episode of download this Shar and she is founder of go GEIC Academy Moran Thank you so much having to be here and he's a software developer with access informatics, Betamax. It's been far too long. Welcome back hit has my good to see you again. I want to start with actual recognition. given the circumstances blast few weeks. We've seen IBM Microsoft an Amazon. All sort of slow down their roll out of facial recognition, particularly in relation to. Law Enforcement so we might go through the individually specifically with Amazon. What have they changed? Well Amazon did make some statements decrying police, brutality and systematic racism that came up in the protests about after the killing of George Floyd and they were criticized by people quite rightly because they supply the police with facial recognition software. It's called Rick. Spelled with a K. critics pointed out the hypocrisy of what they were doing. Supplying the police with face recognition, and then criticizing the police for the brutality, so they have responded to that and pulled back format IBM also have made statements about the justice in Policing Act, and they've also followed by agreeing not to sell their software. The blaze Microsoft, I think they have face recognition services in the cloud, but they so far have not sold them to the police so that they've said that they do that at the moment machine learning. Learning of course allows Massar violence at things like demonstrations, and potentially it means that people who go to a demonstration of course pays for process. Protest is a right in a democracy, but if everyone is able to be recognized by software, L. Mass it really, it's like having your votes. Being counted in democracy, it's just anti-democratic, so I think it's being used disproportionately. And of course there is research that shows that doc skins lead to more errors in Feis recognition, so you could say that the software biking in the privilege this sounds. Weird, but does it make any difference at these handful of big companies have stopped when they're awes-. Facial. Recognition stops around it. Do you think it has a? Meaningful Impact Sarah impact happens is the messaging and the public acceptance or rejection of what facial recognition technology means for us a society so are if there's big companies went supplies with that Tech Shaw some little upstart somewhere. We'll definitely go in do it. In dock rooms in DOT, com is. But I think what having a public compensation you know. The three of us now are talking about this, which talking about what it means and I I think that it's actually pot of those big companies social licensed to operate. To allow us to be able to talk about it as a community, sorry, a social license is the idea that when a big company operates in the community need to give them permission to do certain things, and I think that as a community at the moment whistled of a bit sketchy on what Algorithm, ICK, profiling and data recognition. Of facial technology actually means for us, and so that's why the debate is happening right now. Social Essences is such an interesting concept and. The interesting thing about it as a as a notion is that it's not really enshrined. It only really comes into effect when people get up and talk about it and criticize companies, and I guess the interesting thing about these particular companies paid, or is that some of the loudest voices decrying the use of facial recognition for these purposes? We're actually employees particularly at Amazon. Who I think had been quite vocal about the way they are in company was be using technology. Yes, so the have been some Amazon employees who who spoken out and There are rumors that they may be punished. As a result of that certainly Amazon cracks down. It seems on things like any ideas of unit unionizing or protests, and that sort of thing so yeah, they can use their own abilities. to control their own staff, and this is really disturbing I mean. I think if if the revelations from it would snowden tell us anything it's that if if government's or large organizations can use a technology for mass violence, they will do it, and even in the face of. Of Laws that try to prevent it, so it's very disturbing that these capabilities are out of the bag. The cats out of the bag if you like, and of course, if even if Amazon doesn't supply to the police is nothing to stop a third party buying the Amazon, service and then on selling it to the police, so it's really a you know. It's not something that we can simply control by. These vendors agreed to do something. I think it's GonNa be. It's going to be regulation. It's gotTa to be. Privacy. Regulation has got to be amped up. They've gotta be big penalties for abusing that trust given the prevalence of face masks. The current facial recognition technology to market does it work despite having the bottom half you face covered. Thousand particularly some of the technology. That's available in China. Wear masks are very. Mostert they get used to your face, wearing a mosque. It may feel like you're being a little bit more snaky and a little bit more private by popping that mosque on, but I. Tell you what the computers they just know that it's in a mosque you without a mosque same. Apples extra. Point Year. Apples updated the advice ID to handle mosques better in the latest version of IOS. And of course there's other technologies to in China. They have gate recognition, which recognizes people by the way they walk, so they really don't. They say they face at all. The only thing that we could do is have some sort of the their patents. You can use on a on your. Your face on like printed on a mask that are deliberately designed upset facial recognition so I guess you could wear a mask of a celebrity or someone else, but it's possible maybe to doing something like having glasses which have fake is on them in different spicing them may be some ways to counter this, but the recognition as I said using things like your gate. Your hides other things about you than by that will continue to get better. I mean the thing about all of this object, detection and face recognition is. Continuing to improve, and the right of improvement is improving, so it's a real battled to beat it at the end of the day. This technology easy to actually inevitable otherwise we can temper and control its roll out at the moment. Painter I can't say why to do it I. mean unless the laws become really strict. Government seems to be the ones that are using it. The Muslim in England apparently is completely covered in cameras in the streets. The the the recognition. The face recognition is now being baked into camera sensors. Security cameras and things so this technology is extremely wads bread. It's it's An individual can run up. Vice recognized. Originals aquatic easy and quite easily, and this companies like clearview I who have built a database of I'm sure you've talked about this before, but they built a database of millions of faces and their names, which they've ripped from social media sites from the publicly available websites, and they built this big database and I believe it has been to place forces around the world including federal police in Queensland and South Australia. So this is something that affects us directly here in Australia Sarah what our relationship with facial recognition technology bay like if you designing laws, what a year as a citizen comfortable with! As a citizen I'm comfortable about US having a conversation about this as opposed to. The law paper will deal with that. I think that's that's the danger. Right we think the main people who speak about this stuff, a digital rights activists and to your average person. They don't want to be digital rights activists. That's not that's not a career ambition for most people. It's a tough slog, and so for the average person. We need to be talking about this in our harms. We need to be talking about it. You know on the rig it just. Just needs to be something that we have a conversation about and then policy it shouldn't base that the government make a policy, and then everything falls into line behind it way as individuals, citizens should be taking action and demonstrating what we care about and having the low following that because I think that's the danger riot. You've gotTA hape of policy nodes in a room who aren't up to speed with what we feel comfortable with his family as a school is. All these different things and they're gonNA. Make policies that will outdate very quickly and not stay up to date with social mores, and I think that's I don't know it's going to suck. All right. Here enough. Take. The data. What is what do you think our relationship with respect to recognition technology should look like. Well I actually I think the whole face mask. Thing is really interesting, because it has normalized the ability to disguise you Faisal. Cover your face in public and and. Maybe, this social distancing is something that should go forward into the future I feel like we're getting less calls the. Powder covert, and and maybe shaking hands, always a bad idea, but but look if you wanna go to a demonstration, I think the message is clear. I've been demonstrations myself. Where the have been people filming the crowd, and it's clear what they doing trying to suck up all of the people who went along, and you can bet that information is being used for. For ill whether it's for election targeting whether it's for I, don't know I would bit, but yeah, it's such an easy thing to sweep a camera around a demonstration and recognize all the people there and then use that information for for bad things. I think the fact of the matter is we? HAVE WE WALK OUT IN PUBLIC DAME? We Guide to be recognized. The, problem of course is if you disguise your face, you then become targets like people who run tour browser at home to protect their privacy. Then they become recognized as someone who is trying to hide, and that's just as damaging download. The show is what you're listening to. It is your God to the wake in media, technology and culture. We are joined by Peter Mocks software developer from access informatics and found found rather of Academy Sarah Moran and date fakes stunningly convincing. Artificial faces and facebook have just released a database one hundred thousand date fakes. To teach. You how to spot them Sarah what exactly is going on? So when you will looking online and you see a video as a human, you recognize as a date fake. Algorithms spot, and so they've notoriously bad at working out the difference between a human you know, a fake and a real human video, and so what facebook is doing is saying well. Let's let's get better at this. Let's build up muscle and so they have the largest collection update type videos, and so the training the I to be able to split it just like a human would, and what's really fascinating is the techniques you would think they would use to spot a date fag. What proven not to work, so you know like? Different types of technical information in the video and Training around that they're actually trying to train the I to think more like a human in the way that we as a human spot areas, it has been talked about for longtime this idea of the uncanny valley something that looks stunningly close to a real human vice, but there's just something a little bit. The Human Brian Goes. ooh, that's nasty like that. There's like a psychological sort of actually makes you feel a bit sick exactly. Is that how this is working, or is it working on a different level? Yes so the fakes up pretty good now and at a cursory glance. Videos of Barack, Obama, saying something ridiculous, and of course have been used in pornography, so it looks like a celebrity is in a pornographic film or something, but there's something weird, and currently the flaws things like flickering around the edges of the face or The background looks a bit weird, because the whole thing is about tuning making a face, look like another face so that it's kind of a loop of artificial intelligence face recognition, so a person can pick them, but of course it's so easy to create these vikes ending and election running up to an election. It could be extremely damaging to have say. Joe Biden, or we could bring into Australia appearing to say something really objectionable that could then spread varley through social media. People don't concentrate if they want to believe what they're seeing. That may just say Yep, that's what he said that I. Don't like it I'm not gonNa vote for that person, so facebook is trying to improve the automatic recognition of deep fakes, and that's why I've been running this competition with one hundred thousand. Dave fake videos so far. People who've been building recognizes for it. The Best I can do is sixty five percent accuracy, and that's of course not good enough to let them run automatically to flag date fakes, and it does seem like the best of those. Those, are using the the artifacts that we recognize like the flicker rule, the funny backgrounds and things, and of course defect technology is getting better and better and eight. Eventually, those out effects will go away so it is going to be a difficult problem into the future I mean and the end of the day I think people have really got to be careful, too closely, evaluate where they sourced something, and is that a trustworthy source? Can I believe even this very realistic looking video, and at the moment we're all on a learning curve and I. Guess The the lesson learned over the last few years. People just pay attention to what they raid on the Internet. That's a quick look. DO I agree with this headline. Does this headline align with my values? Great Senate on, and I think one of the interesting points. The technology officer facebook say basically date. Vikes, currently, not a big issue, but we let the. Few used to not be caught flat-footed, and I have to say that is bang on when it comes to facebook's recent experience, and I do think it's I do think it's worthwhile that they're investing in it. Why is this particularly issue for facebook? Though Sarah? It's the gateway to the Internet for so many people. In developing nations, that's that's the browser like that's actually how they get their information. And so. FACEBOOK has a news fade, so people think it is news, and so you know it doesn't matter who says the content if it presents as though it is legitimate for the people who don't have. High levels of Media Literacy, which let's face, it is most people. they going to believe those things and. A risk to democracy. It's a risk to Sar many different things because we actually can't find the truth anymore. And for facebook themselves. You know I I am appreciating that they are recognizing this social responsibility in that respect, but basically also that comes back to advertises like you know. FACEBOOK is largely funded by advertising, and if facebook becomes as a source of untruth or misinformation, we're all GONNA leave. It happened to my space. It became uncle and we left. See I don't know the issue much people, deleting accounts, and much as these advertisers being a little bit sauce on running ads on in that context. Oh totally. You. I've placed massive campaigns on facebook, and you know you really you are conscious of. Where is my brand being placed? We'll facebook damage. My brand like that's not worth giving them. My money and I'll go back to advertising in newspapers. Bring it on, bring it on. Bring it on. To one of the things you said there was really interesting, which is the the model at the forefront has sixty five percent accuracy and facebook said they don't actually plan to use any of the winning models because the accuracy isn't. They decide that some of their models have achieved eighty percent accuracy, but it was only with training data, and then they put that against unseen clips. It's sort of dropped again. Why would they be that disparity? Well, when when you try to machine learning model, you generally petition up the data sets, so you say in this guy's got one hundred thousand videos. What you would do is trying it on nine hundred thousand of them, and then tested on ten thousand that it's never seen and yeah. This sounds a bit strange, but it does sound like the best algorithms were looking for rather. They were looking for glitches in the in the date fake, rather than actually recognizing this as you were saying the Uncanny valley in the face and so. A something that it's a battle because the date fake is going to get better over time and I. Think they'll quickly learn. This is the white works now on non on all social media that has automatic blocking. If things like you know nudes and things like that is people play with the Algorithm and figure out a way to get around what it's looking for. You know bid. Bid To large areas of of ski or something like that, and they'll do the same with this, so yeah, none of a good enough, and that means icon automatically tag, and that means they can't possibly have humans looking at all of the video that's being uploaded to any of these platforms, just overwhelmingly large amounts of video to look at which is the perennial problem with everything that. Is such a fire hose of of content that it's really hard to to keep up with the fact that they are actually thinking about being responsible with their fire hose of data that they're sitting on Maine's thinking about you know what what responsibility they have and I. think that's a good news, but I also wonder if the more aware people become a date fakes. We'd lead the less trust. They'll have just everything across the one. It'll be another thing. It'll be like the equivalent of fake news. It'll just be another thing. You can say against anything that you disagree with. Do you know what I mean like? You could see how people are going to use it in that way. Yes lieutenant done trust any information. If you get this point and that's that's I guess the genius of trump is that he basically cast doubt on all media, says all media relying, and then people will. How do they actually find out any information? That's it. You become this society where people don't trust anything. Even the most authoritative sources untrustworthy if If you count, believe video. You can't believe what do you? Maybe a solution is to actually have some way of digitally signing video clips and audio clips Maybe this is a role for the blockchain, and saying this is not just you know. This is from my campaign I endorse it, but actually digitally signing it so if it gets edited or or or date faked or something then you can go back and like you do with a browser. You got a website and has a little grain padlock on it. That shows you that it really has come from the demand that kind from something like that might be technically possible, but who's GonNa. Pay For that infrastructure now. I just WanNa for a touch of optimism I hide in little places around the Internet, and I've mentioned this before, but Tiktok. I think facebook is such a millennial. Pace of of software I think that the next generation one. They'll think it's oncle to. They're going to rebel. And so my faith is in the young people to rebel against all of this, and you never know they may be the ones who you know and bring truth and real inflammation and daughter integrity, and all those things back and so I'm going. Going to hang out on talk a little bit longer with young kids and my optimism light will shine, Sarah, Moran is the Voice of optimism there. She is the CO founder of go. GEICO KADEMI and you're also hearing. The voice paid a mock software development with access informatics. Marc Fennell was my name, and this is download the show your God to the. The week in media, technology and culture and twitter would very much like it if you read the bloody articles before you re tweeted them out of testing new features specifically on android phones, Sarah that well does what and a little pop up comes up and says hey, you should read this I have you read it before you can spam it out to your friends, and the main purpose of that is that people read the headline it goes with what they want to share, and so they'll just tweet re tweet the headline without actually reading the article. It's an interesting step by twitter I. Don't know why they're particularly choosing now to do that because they could have done that a long time ago. But obviously that there's there's a lot going on twitter in terms of. Changes to different things you can. You can turn off replies now. They're actually starting to think about their role in misinformation bullying, and all of those things and this is this is one step that's contributing to that large movement by twit up paid. How do they know of read the article on on? I don't believe I've actually done anything to check that you've read read through the article at the moment. This of course has been a big problem on other platforms where really nasty things have gone viral WHATSAPP. In twenty eighteen had a problem in two of the biggest markets Brazil and India with people were sending out. Out, false messages about child molestation, or or some something terrible that and mobs these were going incredibly viral, and then mobs were actually hunting down the person who had been blamed with it and people were actually killed now what whatsapp did was they put a limit on how many people you could forward a message onto because groups could have huge numbers of people and say something could go viral exponentially by put a limit on that, and that does appear to work. Twitter has assigned problem with Fake News, and you know part of it is is clicked by the headlines on things. The headline might not represent what's actually in the article. Often, it's quite misleading or doesn't fully tell the story. People say the headline forward on the article to other people, and they sing can very quickly take off and go viral, and just you keep saying this. Is You know there's effect in in the human brain? Where if you see the same thing started over and over again eventually you start to assume that it's true, and so these platforms have a duty to actually slow down the viral nature of news because of the damage that can be done as I said, lives can be lost. Is it enough Sarah what else would you like to say be done? I am so glad you. affiliates. Let Okay! How about if you'RE GONNA? Be So worried about people writing the article. Why don't you get to the reply US US AKA? The people who reply about the article without having read it that is one of the things that drives me bonkers is you'll tweet an article and someone will reply just based on their opinion of the headline and not actually read the article at all. Most famously among women of the Internet, it happens often when. The journalist who wrote the article? And I, it gets a reply about the article and she has to say yeah on our Reuter, and so this happens that the way that we engage shorts to say read before you re tweet it, but there's more to it than that the other thing for me. My forever bugbear is that when I, click on a link if it's behind a paywall I'm not logged in on twitter so I have to open it out to another Balbuena remember, and by the time it happens, I'm Kinda over it like I'm not that desperate to read the article that I'm going to make ten clicks, and so that is my pool media literacy like even may here's a median. I, know I feel guilty that I just can't be bothered. Rating the article, and so just because twitter has putting so many hoops for me to get there particularly for things like the New York Times. Yeah I have to go from twitter to browser. Then into the APP that I've actually looked on. I think maybe that is an argument to suggest that really what's going viral is a headline, because the headline is the thing that's immediately visible that you can get a dopamine hit from people saying yes, you right to re tweet that maybe that speaks to a broader systemic problem. Yeah, look I think today media studies in in primary school education needs to be talking about critical rating, looking at sources evaluating you know. Know, what you're saying the fact that The you know, sources vary wildly. This'll comes back to the problem that we need to pay for news. We need to pay for journalism and we need to have respected sources that we recognize and we need to know that they're not being faked. Because you do see fake stories, you know looking like they've come from a well known journal and yet don't believe everything you see on Social Media but the problem is the business model at the moment is completely shot. and. We need to find a new one in the past. We never really hide for news. It was on the back of the rivers of gold of advertising and and now that all gone away we need to find another way to do it as some associated, it is our struggle to actually follow links because every time I go to a page you get pop signed. You agree to the cookies you get another one saying you're going to subscribe to a newsletter. You'RE GONNA. Get another one signed this four out of five articles. You've read this month that you want to subscribe and by that Tomoko Nice screen real estate. Have a look often find myself. looking at the dolman dealing Dev's to try and get to the story underneath it, but Yeah, it's too hard to actually read on the side, so I can see why people just read summaries year. I mean I. Guess The issue, though is, it's one thing to say. We should pay more for for news and journalism, which obviously I agree with. All of those things way describing they are the tools with which they make us pay for journalism. So how do you? How do you balance those through things out and also recognizing that you know one of the advantages of things like social media is that it can bring a can draw a huge audience to random pieces of continental journalism, so there is power and potential positively the comes from fast retweeting of an article. Like how do you balance those two things than? Great, you're asking me and well. You you solve this problem. You will be a hero. I don't think we found the solution yet. The interesting thing is actually not so much about the news itself like I. Don't think this is a play by twitter to actually advertise. Please go check out the actual article I think. What would it is is twitter is headlines. Twitter was one hundred forty characters announced to eighty characters like it is short shop discussion, and what this move is about is trying to redirect you to have a deep more nuanced conversation and I think those things are like sort of at conflict with each other, and that's that's why. I'm kind of confused by doing it. But in terms of hey, if it turns out that through this way that twitter advertisers, every amazing publication in the world and people actually drive their traffic to it and a wife from twitter. What a wonderful world! We live in huge! Thank you to Sam. RANCO FOUND GO GEIC Academy. Thanks for joining us a gain Navarrese and pay them ox access informatics, so for develop extraordinary. Thanks for joining us again. Thanks good to see and with that I shall leave you. My name has been knocked Fanilo. Thanks for listening to another episode of download the shot.
Coronavirus May Be More Mobile Than Researchers Thought
"I'm Jack how how the new Barron Streetwise podcast. I'm business and investing each week. We hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Iger about the future of movies and theme parks. Cvs Is Larry Merino about stores providing more health services. And Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business. Subscribe to Baron Streetwise on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Millions more job losses expected in this morning's numbers now states worry about how to pay the claims. It just shows you the size and scale of job loss year that within weeks of this pandemic gripping the country states have to ask for a federal bailout of their unemployment insurance plus new research suggests the corona virus may be able to spread further through the air than we thought and how the pandemic may bust up a half billion dollar lingerie purchase. It's Thursday April twenty third. I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal and this is what's news. Georgia plans to reopen some non essential businesses tomorrow including salons tattoo parlors gyms. We talked on the podcast yesterday about divided feelings in the state about the move and yesterday's White House briefing. Dr Anthony found she expressed concern about Georgia's governor moving too quickly. I would advise him not to just turn the switch on and go because there is a danger of a rebound president trump said he told. Georgia governor Brian Kemp. He disagreed with the plan to partially reopened. But he also said those decisions are up to the governor. You know tweet. After their conversation governor Kemp said he appreciated the president's leadership stressed that the reopening as measured data driven and prioritizes the health of workers and customers. The House today is expected to pass a stimulus. Bill including four hundred and eighty four billion dollars of new aid. The key recipients are small businesses and hospitals the number of American Corona virus linked deaths in long term care facilities including nursing homes. Now tops. Ten thousand people on a wild matthews is part of the reporting team that gathered the data residents of nursing homes and other types of facilities for elder care are particularly vulnerable partly because of their age also because many of them have underlying health conditions. In addition the setting of these long term care facilities is one that is particularly susceptible often residents living with multiple residents in a room. Staffers are coming from room to room to serve residents to clean them to feed them. They can carry the virus easily between rooms. It's very hard to contain often. Once it gets into a facility one key thing that nursing home owners and physicians that we spoke to said that more testing is needed. One reason that is true is because a lot of people in Nursing. Homes and other facilities who have corona virus infections may not have obvious symptoms. It's very hard to contain. If you don't know who has new information from California raises big questions about the timeline of the corona virus pandemic in America to newly reported deaths in the bay area include woman who died in early February weeks before. Us Health authorities thought right after this. How the pandemic threatens a HALF BILLION DOLLAR DEAL FOR VICTORIA'S SECRET Weekly unemployment claims are out this morning. The latest data on how many jobs the pandemic is destroying journal Labor Economics reporter. Eric Wrath has a preview so economists we surveyed are expecting another four million more Americans to file for unemployment benefits pushing the total number seeking aid above twenty five million as far as state budgets hearing. That are ready. New York and California have reached out to the federal government seeking assistance. Massachusetts is also told us their funds are running low so normally states pay unemployment insurance from an insurance fund which they collect from employers through taxes when those funds run dry they need to turn to the federal government. Wants unprecedent here is. They're doing this after a month. Usually this is something that you might see late in a recession after this has been going on for a while it just shows you the size and scale of job loss year that within weeks of this pandemic gripping the country states have to ask for federal bailout of their unemployment insurance funds. The pandemic is also affecting Wall Street dealmaking. Private equity firm. Sycamore partners is suing to get out of its deal. For Victoria's secret it agreed in February to buy a controlling stake for over half a billion dollars. Markets Reporter of Antica Chilcott explains what's going on and the potential broader impact. This deal is basically a test. It's illegal test of whether the corona virus pandemic allows the buyer to walk away if they reach disagreement before the outbreak Sycamore. Decision to take control of Victoria's secret was one of those very closely watched deals earlier this year. And what the private equity firm is saying is that since the corona virus outbreak hit. The economics is so uncertain. The business environment has changed so much that the deal doesn't stand anymore for example L. Browns. Which is the parent company? Victoria's secret decided to close stores. It's followed most of its workers. It's skipping April rent payments and all of these things in the private equity firms view changed the terms of the deal so that something that other companies will be watching quite closely and whichever way it goes. It could influence other deals bill. Brands says it will defend itself against the lawsuit and is still working to close the deal. We're seeing something of a recovery in oil markets today both. Us and global oil futures moved sharply higher in early trading. But they're still well below pre pandemic numbers we have earnings reports today from Intel Eli Lilly and blackstone after a quick break what scientists are learning about. How far the Caribbean virus can travel. I'm Jack how hosted the new baron streetwise podcast. I'm businessman investing each week. We hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Eiger about the future of movies and theme parks. Cvs Is Larry Merlo about stores providing more health services. And Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business. Subscribe to Baron Streetwise on Apple. Podcast spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. There's new research suggesting. The Corona virus may be able to travel farther through the air than most scientists thought Journal reporter. Sara Toy spoke with our Charlie Turner. Sarah what has the consensus been. Thus far on how. The Corona virus which causes cove in nineteen is transmitted one thing. Most scientists and doctors agree on. Is that the viruses primarily spread through droplets that you make when you cough or sneeze or even when you talk the W. H. O. Says this can happen when you're within three feet of someone who's sick while the CDC says that can happen within six feet. Most people in the scientific community also agree that it's possible to get the virus by touching an infected surface and then touching your mouth nose or is that's why it's recommended you don't touch your face wash your hands often so tell us about this new research which involves scientists looking at other modes of transmission. How's it different from what we've generally accepted from the? Who in the CDC? So what's being debated right now? Is this idea of the virus. Being spread through these minuscule particles called aerosols that can actually linger in the air for hours long after the sick person leaves the room. Some people refer to this as airborne transmission measles and chickenpox can spread this way but we haven't quite figured out whether that's the case for the new corona virus. There have been some studies that have looked at the Aaron rooms of cove in nineteen patients in sampled that. But the results have been mixed. There's also been some question about how far coffers needs can actually travel. One lab has shown that droplets from cough traveling this cloud and that can reach up to nine hundred thousand feet and a sneeze can travel up to twenty six feet. Another study has shown that ten percent of droplets from a coffers still present in the air even after traveling six feet. What's been the reaction to this research? The reactions have been mixed. It's important to understand that there's a lot we don't know about this virus and how it travels and whether it can infect people. When it's an aerosol form talk to Anthony Fauci actually said in a press briefing last month that the report about the sneeze was misleading and that it was looking at this very robust vigorous chew sneeze in his words and that just wasn't practical. There is a study that some people like to point to and it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in mid March. A group of scientists looked at these lab made aerosols that contains the current avars and they showed that this virus could survive in stay infectious for hours but there has been some criticism where some scientists said that those findings worked on an actual human coughs and that limits. How much these findings could be applied to real life. What does this mean for a stay today? As far as how we can protect against the virus this just underscores how important it is for people to take precautions when they go out. People should be wearing a mask because that can protect against droplets. That come your way. But if someone sick when they sneeze or they cough it actually also prevents those droplets from getting out to other people and it also just underscores how important social distancing is and and that people should really try to stay at home if they can Wall Street Journal reporter Sara Toy. Thanks a lot Sarah thank you. We are here to answer your questions about the corona virus pandemic call three one five nine nine two eight two nine eight can leave your question on our voicemail we will have our reporters and experts get you answers and that is what's news for this morning. If you like our show please rate and review US wherever you get your podcast. We are back with another updated episode this evening. And there's always more on wsj.com Dr App. I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.
Companies Face Big Challenges Testing Workers for the Coronavirus
"I'm jack how hosted the new Barron Streetwise podcast. I'm business and investing each week. We hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Eiger about the future of movies and theme parks. Cvs Is Larry Merlo about stores providing more health services. And Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business. Subscribe to Baron Streetwise on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Companies WanNA test workers before they open up offices and factories. Getting test. Kits IS ONE PROBLEM. Another is it gets real personal. There's a lot of information about employees health personalized. That comes into this conversation. Plus how to understand the bizarre behavior in the oil market right now and finally the quiet angels saving your office plants from certain doom. It is Tuesday April twenty. First I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal. This is what's news. President trump says he'll sign an executive order temporarily suspending immigration into the US. He cited the need to protect jobs during the corona virus pandemic. This was announced in a tweet. Which did not contain policy details administration officials say? The order won't make major changes. Currently most forms of immigration are halted because of the CORONA VIRUS. States are burning through cash to pay unemployment claims raising concern. They'll need help from the federal government. New York already asked for a four billion dollar. No interest loan. Nearly half of states are seeing their unemployment trust funds dropped by double digits. Congress and the trump administration are getting closer to potential four hundred and fifty billion dollar deal that would extend these small business relief program among other things Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell took to the floor last night to express disappointment. It wasn't ready sooner. Regretfully will not be able to pass more funding for Americans paychecks. Today however since it's so urgent I've asked that the Senate meet again tomorrow in a new session that was not previously scheduled and the Democratic leader has agreed to our request. Lawmakers are generally mystic. Deal will get done soon. We are reporting Fannie and Freddie may be allowed to by home loans that are in forbearance the regulator of the mortgage giants is considering this as a way to reduce the strain on mortgage companies while many Americans can't make their monthly payments right after this just what it means when the price of oil becomes a negative number Global stocks followed. Us indexes lower overnight with Asian shares closing lower and European stocks opening down. The drop comes after a historic day. Oil Markets Win some US futures plunged below zero markets columnist. Mike Byrd explains what exactly negative oil prices mean. What that means is that an investor who was looking to take a barrel of oil in cushing Oklahoma in May could actually be paid money to do so and the reason that's happened is that the corona virus impacts on the global economy has meant the supply of oil is very very high relative to the demand for oil. What's done over the last month or so? Fill up the physical storage space for oil where it would usually be stalled. That means it storing is now very very expensive and essentially it's not worth paying a positive prideful to a buyer now. That's a little bit more of an anomaly. You see the further out. You get on the futures futures venturing in June further into the year. That's still in positive territory. People don't expect oil to be priced negatively forever. But it's going to depend a lot on what happens the global economy if demands as very very low fro. You might see oil prices continuing to full. I think for the time being still best to see the actual negative prices more of an anomaly and low and falling prices further out as more of the rule. What's happening with oil today? Netflix Coke Lockheed Martin and snap among companies reporting earnings in just a moment the remarkably tricky business of on the job corona virus testing. I'm Jack how host of the new baron streetwise podcast. I'm business an investing each week. We hear from company chiefs and analysts about profound changes facing investors. We've heard from Disney's Bob Eiger about the future of movies and theme parks. Cvs Is Larry Merlo about stores providing more health services. And Ford's Jim Hackett about how the pandemic might change the car business. Subscribe to Baron Streetwise on Apple. Podcast spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Someday people will go back to work in actual workplaces but before companies and employees can feel safe about reopening offices stores and factories. Some managers want to be able to test workers for the Corona Virus. But doing that requires navigating some daunting minefields from just getting test kits to replace. Privacy Issues Journal. Reporter Sara Crouse has the story. She spoke with our Charlie Turner. Sarah what are some of the hurdles that companies would likely face in testing their workers for cove? Nineteen so the biggest overarching challenge right. Now is the sheer availability of tests. There is a shortage of test for the General Public. Not to mention some of the front line workers in certain communities there's been supply shortages and backlogs in labs. So you actually being able to conduct. The testing itself is the biggest hurdle. But once you move from there. It's where do you do it? How frequently do you do it? Do you require it as a condition of coming back to work etc. There's it's sort of fraught with both logistical and work our privacy issues so what plans are companies. Considering as far as testing their employees. You give some examples in your story including Amazon.com sure so. Jeff bezos Amazon. Ceo told shareholders in a letter that they had started to gather the equipment to build cove in nineteen testing lab for Amazon employees. You know obviously that's a well resource company. That has the ability to do that. What other countries are considering our diagnostic tests to make sure that people don't actively have the virus before allowing them to come back to work. Those tests could be done either on an onsite health clinic or a doctor's office nearby the office And yet another option that companies are considering his antibody testing I e looking for evidence that someone has had it and may therefore be immune to it but I will say that even with antibody testing. It's unclear if one can be immune from this and if so for how long so there's still a lot of unresolved medical questions to in the meantime. There's a lot of stopgap measures in terms of asking employees to wear masks distancing desks spreading out shifts. There's a lot of sort of incremental measures that they're taking as a as a first step. Sir What privacy issues could pop up regarding companies testing their employees so if companies are getting the results of their workers tests you know. That's a lot of very private medical information. Someone's current health condition and that you know. Another factor in determining who is at high risk for the disease is do people have underlying pre existing conditions. And that's not something that an employer could previously have asked an employee about so this virus sort of opens the door to a new conversation between employees and employers about the staff's health conditions and family life. What if you're married to a nurse or a Doctor? Who's on the front lines of this? And then you're you yourself may not have at one day but you're going home and sharing personal space with somebody who you know is exposed to it all day. So there's a lot of information about employees health and personalized that comes into this conversation that is journal reporter. Sara Kraus's speaking with our Charlie Turner finally. Can you still remember what it was like in your office while these weeks ago with the chair felt like who was nearby? What was on your desk? If your mind's eye is providing images of your office plants you may have a little anxiety over. What's become of them? As days of work from home became weeks and that a month and then not talk about it if you did not manage to exfiltrated your beloved leafy colleagues before the lockdown. You can only hope that your office has agreed angel. We've got a story wsj.com right now about these caretakers often security or cleaning staff who are taking on additional botanical duties at the moment watering plants and doing their best to ensure that. Whenever we're back in the office it won't be a hideous horticultural graveyard check out our story and if there's green angel in your office don't forget to say thanks for all this rather lonely gardening and then is what's news for this morning. If you like our show please rate and review. Us wherever you get your podcast. We are back with another updated episode this evening and there's always more on wsj.com and our APP I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal. Thank you for listening.
BREAKING: Trump's COVID Diagnosis
"This episode of in the bubble is brought to you by living guard living guard is created reusable activity masks for everyday life in the C. D. C. has said that masks are some of the best protection against Covid nineteen living guard activity, and safety mass use materials with some pretty amazing properties like deactivating viruses and bacteria continuously permanently safely and in a sustainable way. Learn more about this revolutionary technology at shop DOT LIVING GUARD DOT COM that's shop dot l. v. i., N. G. U. A. R. D. DOT COM and use code bubble ten for ten percent off. In. The bubble with Anti Slavic. Our special, edition. Donald Trump yesterday was diagnosed as positive with covid nineteen along with First Lady melania trump. That I put out a special edition to just process what we know at this time and what some of the important lessons learned and things to look out for our at this moment. So Sarah what do we know first? We know that the president of Milania tested positive. Sometime this week. The positive tests came back last evening. We're not sure exactly when the virus was transmitted it could have been transmitted from. To the president but it's also entirely possible that it went the other way we will have to learn his contact tracing goes on. we know the president is reporting mild symptoms and is supposed to be quarantining for fourteen days We will see if that happens my senses given the election depending on how he's feeling we may see that revised. something. Else we know. Is that forty thousand other people were diagnosed as positive covid nineteen yesterday and if you believe the statistics coming out of the University of Washington. Sexy hundred twenty thousand people there were exposed to cover nineteen yesterday. So. Trump is a big story in a much larger picture. and. We won't see news items. Of those people's exposure. We won't understand the circumstances to their exposure. Those people may not get contact tracing large number of them aren't getting tested about two thirds of them. So they won't know who they're exposing to the virus, and if they get hospitalized, we'll never see it and if they die will never see. Many of those people were unlike president in circumstances that didn't allow them to mask up or require people around the new wear masks or follow safe public health practices. We also know that trump an staff. Were not wearing masks at the debate during that debate, he mocked Joe Biden for wearing a mask, but it's important to know that he and his team were very close Chris, Wallace and certainly potentially jeopardized him. As of now Joe Biden is negative. As. Of now in the White House have tested negative but it's important to remember that they're going to need to keep getting tested every day because the virus takes a little while. Before it is able to be found sometimes by testing is I think we know So those are the facts as we have I'm sure they'll change a little bit. Let's talk about what we learned. From this, what's important out of this? And first of all, let's not. Politicize the president's health as an individual let's draw an important distinction between him as an individual and his role as an elected leader millions of people. Millions of followers the example he sets in the policies he puts forward. I think those are very much reifer discussion. My first conclusion here is that trump either doesn't know. or he doesn't care how covert nineteen works. He doesn't understand. That people can have covid nineteen without knowing. He doesn't understand that it can be passed to people who don't know they're passing and he doesn't understand. That viruses are programmed. To find weak spots, the program to find people who will breathe near other people like helicopters who will not wear masks. The second conclusion I would make is that it's one thing to be careless with yourself. The president was careless with other people. He was careless with the people he went to do a fundraising event for. In bedminster he was careless with people here in Minnesota that he was at an indoor fundraiser for he knowingly put himself in close contact with people at a fundraising event New Jersey after he was aware that he'd been exposed to someone who tested positive for Covid nineteen. Why do we suggest people wear masks. You wear masks because you don't know if you have cove nineteen. You wear masks because you can't possibly know of others have gone nineteen. And your mask if you have consideration four in care about others in your community. Simply that. So. For the president of the United States mask wearing is also important. For bigger reasons. We know from studies that have eighty percent of the country where masks tens of thousands of lives would be saved. In the virus would diminish quickly. Too many of those who don't wear masks are highly influenced by the president. We know about fifty percent of the country is wearing a mask. He has the power to change that with his actions and change the course of the disease and the process. tweet every opportunity to wear a masks he chose not to, and this is the consequence and I. Think. For many people that might be a lesson. So. What should happen from here? First of all I think we should take the view. That if it's good enough for the president of the United States. Should be good enough for forty five thousand other people. If the President United States can be around people that can have access to as much testing as they need have access to as much people as they need. Whether they use it or not. He cannot sit here in this country and not give resources give the necessary resources to the rest of the country. He denied sending out. Five masks to every person in a hot zones in April in Detroit in New York City in Orleans. The president could have chose not to send all of those folks from asks he could have alerted the country. The covid nineteen was spreading that it was possible that it was be community spread that people were going to die he chose not to. But he has an opportunity now. Here's an opportunity today. And I think about what happened in Britain. With Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Let me play for you a clip of what Boris Johnson had to say what he left the hospital. We are now beginning to turn the tide. If these virus. Where a physical assailant. An unexpected invisible Maga. We talk tell. Proposal, experience. It is. Then this is the moment. When we have begun together to wrestle it. To the floor. Boris Johnson before his hospitalization with covid nineteen. was recklessly shaking hands. Putting down the virus not taking it seriously talking about her immunity. But. After that experience, he was a changed person. In, one can only hope. That the president, the first lady and the first family take this enormous opportunity ahead of them. Maybe, they can use the moment the same way Johnson did. By telling the country They must take this more seriously. By wearing masks everywhere, they go particularly in the West Wing in close quarters. Particularly if they are going to do events with their supporters. And my no longer mocking people who follow public health guidance by wearing masks. Trump has always had the power to de politicize this pandemic. And he's chosen at virtually every turn to do the opposite. To. So greater divisions in our country. A divided. country. Is Self defeating in a pandemic The continent of Africa. With one point three, billion people. HAS ONLY THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND DEATHS What we're asking here of the president is in particularly high tech. It's not about vaccine. It's not about a pipe dream. It's not about a medicine that the Miracle Cure. It's a piece of cloth. And having consideration for others in some compassion. If the president can find those things. Within him. We're much better chance of preventing tens of thousands, more deaths. And that's what this moment should be about. That about the president. It's not about the election. Not About his health. Sunday even about his road behavior. It's about tens of thousands of lives and a pandemic that we can control. Anytime we want to. With the right leadership. He needs to get on that s he sits home and recovers contemplates. That's it for our special edition. We'll be coming Monday with the show.
Walmart Extends Growth Streak
"The Wall Street Journal listeners. Come from all walks of life and business and no matter what type of business urine eighty P is here to help you achieve what you're working looking for with. HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people learn more at design don ADP DOT COM Walmart continues. Its growth streak heading into the holiday shopping season. There's a lot aww pricing movements this time of year that can play a role but compared to some of the department stores specialty retailers struggles. We're seeing they're they're in a much stronger place. Kentucky's Republican governor concedes to his Democratic Challenger and Venice begins recovery after historic flooding. It's Thursday November fourteenth. I think this is the PM edition of what's News From The Wall Street Journal. I'm sorry for totally in New York. A sixteen sixteen year old boy killed two fellow students and wounded three others before shooting himself. A high school in Southern California. Today the shooting occurred as the day was starting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita north of Los Angeles authorities say a sixteen year old girl and a fourteen year. Old Boy died after being transported to a nearby hospital. Spital Sheriff Alexander Villanueva said. The shooter was in grave condition and being treated at a local hospital for more on this developing story please head to our website site wsj.com or the WSJ APP House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi is calling president. Trump's decision to withhold aid from Ukraine gene bribery a term specifically mentioned in the. US Constitution as an impeachable offense. She spoke to reporters today day after. US Ambassador to Ukraine. Bill Taylor and senior State Department official. George Kent testified publicly for the first time. The devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery uncovered in the inquiry and the president abused power and violated his oath by threatening to withhold military aid and a White House meeting in exchange for an investigation into his political rival on a clear attempt to president to give himself the advantage in the twenty twenty election. President trump then has republican allies have rejected claims of improper pressure or quid pro quo with Ukraine more than thirteen million people tuned in to watch the first day of public impeachment hearings airings on Wednesday Fox News drew the most according to Nielsen with about two point. Nine million viewers Federal Reserve chairman. Jerome Powell testified for a second second day on Capitol Hill speaking to the House. Budget Committee Powell largely repeated testimony from Wednesday expressing optimism that the Fed's current policy stance would help the US overcome overcome headwinds including slower global growth and trade tensions but he did say the U. S. China trade dispute has contributed to declines in domestic manufacturing and more uncertainty not for business leaders. Republican governor. Matt Bevin has conceded Kentucky's gubernatorial race to his challenger Democrat. Andy Bashir Bevin had requested are- canvas and a formal review of county vote totals reaffirmed Beshir's roughly five thousand vote victory in last week's election the at cat. We believe in turning your ideas into outcomes whether you're growing growing your business building your savings or seeking that next equipment purchase. We are the bank for you. Bank like you visit cit dot COM member. FDIC WALMART is looking strong heading into the holiday season. The nation's largest retailer extended its growth streak in the latest first quarter marking a five-year run quarterly. Sales gains the earnings come on a significant day for Walmart as the company reopened. It's El Paso. Texas store were gunman. Allegedly Targeting Immigrants Killed Twenty two people back in August. Joining me now with more is Wall Street. Journal reporter Sara Nassauer. It seems it's like every quarter. We are hearing about strong growth from Walmart. President trump also took notice this time around on twitter. Sarah what can you tell us about the results. Well it's been now five years of quarterly sales growth in the US for wal-mart which is a pretty clear sign that they have so far whether the threat of Obama Zahn and the transition to online shopping well and that they appear to be taking market share from other folks as well and what were the major drivers of that growth in the latest latest quarter. Really you know Walmart's most of their sales and profit come from the US business stores business and they have been very very strong and fresh in grocery. That's a part of their business. They've really turned around and in part by offering something called online. Grocery pickup. Where you order online and then you go pick up in the parking lot and they bring it out to your car? That has been a big strength for them so so we are heading into the holiday season here. How do these numbers position Walmart compared to other retailers as we head into the busy time they're in a very strong position they have everything up to be able to let folks do things like orderonline pickup in stores? They've made investments that. Put them in a place to be able to grab some of that sales traffic ethic of course it remains to be seen how that plays out. There's a lot of pricing movements. This time of year that can play a role but compared to some of the department stores specialty retailers retailers and the struggles. We're seeing. They're they're a much stronger place. What about Walmart's performance overseas? How does that compare to here in the US? That was a little weak this quarter and we're seeing some economic economic weakness there. They have their as a unit in the UK that has continued to struggle a bit. They have operations and other parts of the world that are more exposed to economic weakness so this quarter we did see some sales drops in the international businesses. Sarah we got earnings from Walmart on on Thursday which also marks an important day for the company as it reopened a store in El Paso Texas. That was the site of deadly shooting over the summer. That left twenty two people dead read. The Wall Street Journal spoke to employees the majority of whom have decided to return to work there. What did we hear from them? And how is the community coping. You know a lot. A lot of the employees have returned. Want to return back to work or already have because the store they've been working in the store for the last few weeks to get ready for the opening and the company said that they really wanted to reopen it to get the community back on track. Get back to normal life. Give stability to their guests as well as their employees so the CEO Doug McMillan McMillan and the new head of stores. Furner were in El Paso this morning. Talking to guests and raising a flag for the reopening. How Walmart has a company addressing? What happened there? So today's the opening but the larger issue that the company has faced over the past few months since the shooting is due to the horrific nature and the the fact that it's now a walmart is location for one of the largest mass shootings in our history has put the company at the center of the gun debate and and they've made a series of announcements since the shooting in the most recent one saying you know that they're gonNA take out ammunition that can be used in semiautomatic rifles and handguns from stores. So not just guns with the ammunition as well and I think that this event will sort of has marked a changing point for the company in how they will handle Issues surrounding guns and their company in the future. So we'll see what that means but it is certainly an inflection point Wall Street Journal reporter Sara Nassauer joining me here in our studio in New York. Thank you so much Sarah. Thanks for having me. It's known for its Gondolas and waterways but Venice Italy was inundated with historic flooding. This week. Water rose more than six feet need above its normal level flooding peaked early Wednesday falling just a few inches below. The highest watermark ever recorded in the city back in nineteen sixty six shops restaurants Frantz and the iconic Saint Mark's basilica were all impacted. Our Eric Silvers was there. The damages as you can imagine are incredible and I had one person who described did like if you have an x Ray And everything looks fine. But maybe your bones are decaying and you don't know it if you were to walk down the street in Venice you know you see people Upside sad cleaning their shops. And so on. But it's not like you know walking down the street after an earthquake when you see buildings crumbling. This is sort of the innards of restaurants and homes are decaying hang and getting ruined and so on. Venice endures flooding nearly every fall. But some say the situation is becoming more dire sea levels rise. We have pictures and video the city up on our website W._S._J.. Dot Com and. That's what's news for this Thursday afternoon. I'm Marie for tolley for the wall. Street Journal thanks for listening.
5/21/19: Oh, HEY!
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I know they're totally hidden. And head on over to WWW dot coached love dot com. We got all kinds of things to say and that is where we say them. Ultramarathons might seem like they're about running a whole lot of miles. What they're really about is being outside in the middle of the night in grappling with all your inner demons. It's awesome. Hi. This is coach Sarah and this is the morning Mandra. Hi. My name is MK flinty. I'm brand coach based in Denver, Colorado. But this isn't a podcast about running. Exactly don't tell clients, but never really talking about running when, you know, crap testing event is coming it helps heaven mantra to keep you centered and focus as she moves through. You don't have to be an athlete to be hashtag coached, and loved by coach K. And if you are here, then you are hashtag winning at life. Today's major is oh hi. Oh, hey. If you spend any time around social media this weekend, particularly my social media coach K, social media, social media, fitness protection. You've probably been getting a lot of updates on a little event in New Jersey called three days at the fair. We had tenacious gritty group of women running a one mile paved loop over the course of twenty four hours and despite the hot sun beating down on them all day long. They accomplished incredible things. I'm so so proud of all of you. I had planned on going along in order to spectate cheer support give love, and then the logical extension of that was that, well, I should register for the race myself the nine PM to nine AM race from Saturday night into Sunday morning, so that I could run on the loop with the ultra runners in their late stage miles when the going got tough, I would not be there to run an ultra marathon, I would be there, quote unquote for fun, made good enough sense. But as the. Event got closer. I rebellion to remember that. I never run races for fun. And there's a reason for that. I can tell myself all day and night in this case all day and night for sure that I don't care about my results that I'm just here for the atmosphere for the triumph of the finish line for the company. But the truth is, it is never that simple for me if I show up to a ten K and run a time slower than what I'm capable of ago rushing back to being high school kid couldn't run a single lap around the soccer field for the pre practice warm up to my total embarrassment everything since high school has felt like a referendum on my fitness. I am always on some level out to prove to everyone who sort of rolled their eyes inside and my general direction back in the day. My soccer coach Mike crew coach my teammates, my parents, that they were wrong about me. So here I was registered for an event where I was planning on running, maybe thirteen miles. Before calling it a night in the company of women who were running fifty K, fifty miles one hundred K, and even more. This is not about you. I told myself and yet as I crossed the start line under a full moon and begin my watch that first loop around the fairgrounds, had me thinking, hey, why don't you you'll low of fifty K? You really want to be the only runner in this group of women who doesn't run an ultra here at this event, you can pretend it's because you're here for them and not for you. But everyone knows it's because your the least bit of all of them coach Sarah, who Ouch, right? Yeah. That was on the first loop the night is dark. And full of terrors. I knew what I knew though, I knew that the voice in my head was actually wrong. This was not about my fitness, and it, never was, in fact, if I had arrived at this event and started running at nine pm when my friends had been running all day in the sun, and then made it about somehow competing with them, that would have been fucked up. They had been training for months to achieve this goal months, and months and months. I'm fit. I've been training pretty consistently myself for a long time, but I was not prepared specifically to run for hours and hours and hours like they were this event was never about me. I was going to have to look at the scoreboard at my piddly looking lap total next to the inspiring numbers coming out of everyone else there and associate those numbers from my own fitness and self worth completely. I suppose the good thing about me now compared to twenty years ago is that I know myself pretty well. I knew that part of me would feel lame compared to the bad ass ultra marathoners out on the course I knew that I would feel tempted to do something stupid in the name of all show them. I knew those feelings. And I knew there was no avoiding them entirely. Instead, I greeted them. Oh, hey, you again, over the course of a one mile loop that you run over and over again in the middle of the night. It's not like these feelings appear once and say, well, I guess we're done here. They appear. They fade. They appear they fade each time. I acknowledged their arrival. Oh, hey. Until you this story because I know you know, this feeling I know that this is why, quote unquote racing for fun is actually a really complicated thing for some people, people like me because they see the numbers and the numbers are triggering the mind Russia's into give those numbers of, meaning that isn't actually real or helpful and often with distance running. We do it in the name of all show. You coach impaling say that no one over the age of twenty takes up running, because they're happy, a lot of us, whether we unpacked it or not a running in part to prove something about ourselves, not all proving his bad quite the contrary. But proving yourself slides easily into territory that is destructive and abusive it hurts to be dismissed, and that hurt arises for me, every time I enter in event, but the people who dismissed me, they're not watching and holding myself to an impossible standard on a day, that isn't about me and isn't going to show them. It isn't going. Prove them wrong. And yet the urge to prove myself to them does not go away. I don't know that it ever will to quote Myrna bolero ultra runner, extraordinary. I am a beautiful work in progress. And this is my struggle. Don't deny the struggle, don't abuse yourself further with blame for grappling with these feelings. You shouldn't feel this way that's stupid. That's the wrong response. And it's not how I responded to myself on Saturday night at three days at the fair as Iraq up miles in the single digits agree to the struggle. Oh, hey, old friend. I've known you for longer than I've known most people. I talked about it with the women. I was running with. And while they were quick to assure me that they did not think I was lamed for, you know, not making it incredibly stupid decision. They heard and understood how I was feeling all the way down to the last lap. I finished just minutes before the end of the event, the struggle resurfaced again and again only twenty one laps. How's that gonna look on Strada? Oh, hey. It's you again you could go now. He coats. Loved, and you are winning. And you are definitely winning at life. If you subscribe, my Muslim newsletter. Follow me on Facebook or follow me on Instagram feel free to do. All three. 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