17 Burst results for "Sarah Hater"
"sarah hater" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"Symbol. The president of the United States. Had An ad removed. For containing, Nazi, symbol, And then trump claims that he made June teen famous. The celebration of the end of slavery. Trump made famous. Yet trump just because you didn't know about it. Doesn't mean you're teaching the world. Things are tipping point right now. And Sam Harris recently published an episode of his making sense podcast, regarding police, black lives, matter and all the impossible conversations around the issue. If. You haven't heard that. Go listen to it. It's episode number two seven, and at the time I'm putting this out. It is the most recent. podcast he has available. Now I've been taken out of context on other podcasts, and I would never want to contribute to that. Sam lays his arguments out and thoughtful way, and with lots of preamble and prefacing. He shows where his heart is. In a way that I can't do justice. So, don't just take my word for what Sam said. Go listen to it in full context. I like him. I in our time together in Toronto. Where I had the honor of hosting event with Sam and Sarah Hater before three thousand attendees, it was a blast. Sam is a great guy. He's very nice. We had dinner before we had drinks after. We even hung out in his dressing room and talked. He was never too important to talk to us. We shared inside on podcasting even equipment, software and talk to adults who just share similar passions. His fame did not go to his head. So if you're wondering if Sam is one of the good guys, the answer is yes. But my feelings towards Sam and my appreciation for what he's done for. Critical thinking shouldn't dissuade me from addressing the points he made with a clear and open mind. In that episode, Sam Calls for us to be emotionally detached from these issues. The best we can, as we navigate these uncertain times and sensitive topic, so I'll heed that advice from Sam and I'll address my agreements and disagreements with him without bias. The beautiful thing about those of us in the secular world is, we shouldn't have sacred cows and I know Sam agrees with that. So I'll start by saying I actually actually do agree with a lot of what Sam said. Race isn't the only thing going on here. But My biggest disagreement with him is that it's not a relevant factor. In fact, he seems to disagree with that by then. Sharing stats that support the statement that race is one of the major issues and I'll get into that a little bit later. He's right. that. We do need to keep a calm cool head. We should be allowed to talk about this. He emphasized the importance of discussion which I often call for on this podcast. But. The question is. What do you do when talking doesn't work? When. You've talked for a hundred and fifty five years. There are multiple issues swirling around each making the other worse, and no one seems to listen to your plight. Do you just continue talking? And hope the oppressors decide to give you a moment of their time. Sam starts by saying social media makes things much worse and I have to agree. The lashing out the anonymity, the Straw man arguments that virtue signaling the I'm Walker than you are in our block. You approve it nonsense. The talking past one another and We've come to a situation where insults become products served in exchange for like, says currency. And that's not a way to move forward. When Sam says, people with a platformer terrified to take a wrong step. Never be able to recover. He has a point. People will listen to a portion of this share a clip out of context boom. My livelihood is at risk. But I've never been afraid terrified to do a show because I just accept that people will be angry, they will unsubscribe. Some will try to get me canceled. In fact, atheist liberals have tried to get me canceled far more than the religious right. Both have tried on some level, but. I've felt a far greater attack from my own camp and that's disturbing. Those liberal, so marched with for years proclaiming that we deserved a voice at the table, even if our views weren't popular. They suddenly changed their mind when I disagreed with them. I was no longer the perfect activists in their search for purity I didn't fit this identity of the person they felt should be speaking on a specific topic and I just kept doing it anyway. I've had people. Stop listening to me because I was too liberal. Some called me as social justice warrior others have left citing me as a conservative Schill. So I'm GonNa Address Sam's concerns here today and I'm going to attempt to answer the questions. He said he had no answers for. And try to make some things work that he said were unworkable. So less jumping. Sam. Called his episode. Can we pull back from the brink? My response. No And we shouldn't. Because the break we're standing on is inflamed. It's better to jump off and learn to fly on the way down because that's better than turning back to helpings of been, and I'll explain what that looks like. Civil discourse has broken down. Yes and that's why shows like mine and Sam's are so important. This is how you get the long form nuance version of ideas. Sam asked the question. When an officer kneels with protesters who have been berating him? Is that a show of solidarity or is at the beginning of the breakdown of our social structure. Here's what that does. It shows that we're all human. It shows that the uniform doesn't define the person. That people are more important than beliefs and jobs and titles and badges and tribalism. It shows that they're listening..
"sarah hater" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"You. So let's I get into I think I think it's important to talk about what you do for a living right now so that people understand how they're seeing this through your eyes so I'm a psychologist and I work for the military. I'm an active duty psychologist and I've been practicing as a psychologist for over twenty years So I I'm you know. I'm a very experienced clinician very experienced psychologist. I know what I'm doing Pretty good at it and they're pretty good at it. Yeah so that's what I did. So you can recognize Some of these behavior patterns and manipulation techniques. And you can kind of see this right so so would you say that? Your education and experience in psychology Sort of helped you turn that curve sort of helped you turn that corner and say I see what's going on here that that may be some other members of the cult may not realize because they don't have the training yes and actually. I didn't mention this when I emailed you. But one of the things that The spiritual leader backing car has done. Is that? We don't need to go to psychologist. All we need to do. Research exercises so the Hugh is one example of that so basically we're told and we're tap at any kind of social service. We shouldn't be doing. We shouldn't be going to mental health people because we can get everything we need from our spiritual practice so I you know. Even though we were told that that's what I ended up doing and by the time I started graduate school in Nineteen Ninety six. I mean I was. I was fully involved in everything in that car but still I was doing this profession so I think it took me a while to really see it and it wasn't until I was removed removed from it for a while that I begin to see things differently. It took me actually being away from the community in order to really clear up my thinking see. That's that's incredible. What has that's one of those things went when people say like I'll be debating a Christian on my show and they'll say man the the guy who is the Deacon at my church is a microbiologist like there are tons of brilliant people who believe that stuff and they'll say that that you know You know my lawyer is also a preacher. And the guy's brilliant. He knows law backwards and forwards. And I think you're a you're a prime example that you're we just we just sort of live two separate lives. I think many of us do we have our profession in. Yeah we go to work and yeah we're dealing with like you may be talking with someone who has a manipulative spouse who has gas sliding in blaming them for things and and saying you must deserve this because it's your fault and you're going through this manipulation and then you go to a worship service where you're seeing very similar behaviors from spiritual leader but you just don't connect the dots as a psychologist. What do you think now is that we're able to compartmentalize you? Think like a survival tactic. Or what's going on there? Oh my gosh well you know. I didn't start seeing things more clearly until I started working more with trauma because one of the hallmarks of trauma or one of the ways that are thinking changes or becomes super highlighted. When something traumatic happens is we believe that we caused the trauma. We believe we did something even if there is. No evidence suggests that whatsoever and I've worked with combat veterans. I've worked with people with sexual assault. I work with people with all kinds of trauma and none of it was their fault but everybody blames himself in some form or another and what I saw was that a lot of people would revert back to this idea that God is punishing me. The universe punishing this is Karma and the pain that these individuals experience is so great that that way of thinking is so harmful so when I just started working more with trauma I I was really bothered by this by this thinking. It was really bothering me as a psychologist saying this is this is really awful and yet this is what my religion teachers and and. I mentioned that I watched the Arena. Enemies documentary on Scientology which there was some similarities. I I wouldn't say that as horrible I mean slop. It's not like that but but there were some similar things and this idea that whatever happens to you and your world is your 'cause you caused it. That's echo teaches. That and when I first launder or a bad concept now remember. I would used in this. So this wasn't like a conscious Thinking things through of my beliefs you know. I just absorbed it like anyone would through indoctrination. You know when you're indoctrinated you just absorb these things and so when you ask me. How is it that we do this? Well when we were little kids we just absorb everything around us. We don't think things through our brains are not developed enough to make rational decisions about how we WANNA THINK. We're told how to think. And we just take it all in like a sponge. It's just goes right in so I I was no different. I just accepted everything that I was taught without question and so even if it seems strange to me I would what I would do with that part. That seems strange. There's a lot of stuff in it can car. That's weird a lot of beliefs. That are strange things that just don't make sense. I would say well I don't really know so it it doesn't matter it's okay you know just kind of I will compartmentalize and we are are really good. That's how we survive. We have to compartmentalize. You're right have to do that. Merge survived terrible situation. So sure we do that. It's a skill that we have but has nothing to do with God. Right the thing to do spirituality. It's a survival. So yeah we do this with everything we do in our relationships. It's something bad is happening in our relationship compartment while I bet than I what's happening there so I just saw this. I begin to see it more clearly because I was exposed to that kind of traumatic thinking more and more than my work but I was also not involved in the community as much simply because I had moved overseas so I think it was a combination of not being exposed to the teachings on a regular basis and not really studying it and and doing the work that I was doing and just slowly started to unravel from there. You know as I was reading your notes. I've made a note on my own to ask you about the similarities with scientology. Because I don't know how much you know my involvement with that but For a while they're in September so September of twenty eighteen. I did alive of it with Sam Harris and Sarah Hater in Toronto and then right after that I was scheduled to join gene Leah Remedy onstage back in New York Four sort of this on scientology. I was going to lead the discussion on a stage and it was gonna be me her end. Oh what's her main guys name Brinda Mike Render so. I followed Mike on Twitter. He followed me back in message. Me was like looking forward to meeting you. In New York flyers were out Was Lee face of course but minded. Mike's Names were on it. And it was a done deal and then something happened at the last moment where he got pulled and so. I got deeply involved researching that watching her show looking things up talking to people who had been in scientology before especially right here in l. a. where it has a huge base and as I was reading through your notes. I'd made an ad made a note to say. This is very similar to scientology specifically the parts about not seeing a psychologist. And I'm wondering I'm wondering if if that is If it's intentional manipulation meaning come to us for all your problems or is it just truly within their belief like is it isn't it isn't an actual belief of the of the main leaders to say that worldly psychologists are bad or unnecessary. Because you can get everything you need here or is it intentional. To have them maintain control over your problems and sort of I guess exploit your your vulnerability to maintain control over a lot of a lot of pastors. Do this too. If you're aware of this. But a lot of preachers will have couples literally. Sign a power of attorney or otherwise some sort of documents stating that. They manage the marriage so if they have any problems they I mean. Of course it's not legally binding but they are not supposed to go to any outside therapist. They come to the Church for counseling. So that preacher or pastor who has no formal training in cognitive behavioral therapy or couples therapy or any sort of counseling at all is now guiding them in counseling. This should be completely illegal but thanks to freedom of religion. It's considered a violation of their civil liberties to tell them they can't practice this way. But it's very dangerous for religious entities to pretend to be certified therapists. I would agree with that. It is dangerous. I what and car does well first of all I would say that. There isn't any explicit rule. That says you can't psychologist were to mental health practitioner or use any kind of social services. I mean the same thing said about welfare like the spiritual leader backing. I remember sitting in the audience while he was speaking on this subject years ago. Thing that you don't need to go you shouldn't need to take money from you know you need to be completely self reliance So it's not like he was saying this is against the rules and you can't do it. It was more like. You're not a spiritually evolved being if you are doing these things because if you are you know if you're going to a psychologist or mental health person What you really need to be doing is just turning over everything to me now. The spiritual leader Beckon cars called the Mahanta. The Living Eck Master and he's basically the representation of God on Earth Doctors Job and so we are supposed to have a relationship with him and everything in our life.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Joe Rogan Experience
"Idea. It's amazing he's so good. I love that. That's a great story. That's a human story you know I love story like that fucking cover band right. He's a lead singer journey. I'm not surprised he's phone Pino though they're really good thing. Oh okay. They obeyed lovech good at pool. Who Phillips I guess some of the best pool players of all time the see on my wall out there. I have To photos of signed photos of Filipino pool players Efren Reyes and Francisco. Fuck was it God damn it. Why can't remember his last name? Bata Bata is Efren. Reyes is and Django Franscisco Bustamante Francisco Bustamante. They'd probably do the top ten efforts probably number one ever ever raise. Most people agree with that and boost. Montes probably top ten of all time. And that's where we should be even positive racial stereotypes now. Not Those are buying kosher or not kosher anymore. That's silly yeah. The reason is Would happen is the nineteen fifties when American. Gi's or in the Philippines. They introduced pool to the Philippines and they started playing under really bad conditions. 'cause it's very moist humidity tables role really slowly and so they developed a lot of really good skills under bad conditions and then they would go to good conditions and they also have a gambling culture. So there's a Lotta gambling involved in pool and so then pulls everywhere. They've always out side. Cafes with terrible ills and these people got just got really really good at pool and some of the to this day so the best players in the World Cup for the Philippine Philippines like when when guys would see guys tournaments and they would have to play a guy from the Philippines ability. Fuck we go. Wow Yeah. So it's like Chinese and Ping Pong. Probably I don't know about that though. I don't know too much about that. That's actually true of even skiers Great Lakes so people that kind of learned on like I know the actually east coast years. They're highly represented because the train on ice get like again. It's tough it's tough conditions. Before just this like fortitude and then you can adapt to any terrain versus like if you kind of you know grew up skiing the soft powder Colorado switch that way or no. That's the thing. Yeah we're making things easier for people make an easier people. That's why I have a one of the solutions I have for. You know one of the questions of our time is fixed journalism right one of the things. I really think we need to do. Because I'm not one of those people that things like the like the media is the problem I mean I'm kind of part of the media now I I write for spectator USA. Which is so sort of bridget. And the people that that you've had on your show is over. Yeah she's the one that actually pitched me. She's she is really funny. I I wish I had the freedom to be as inappropriate. I wanted to get back to that because you were talking about. Well we'll go ahead with this thing about how to fix journalist back that So since on the best reporting that the New York Times really does is on international stuff so like they've sent people leave sent journalists into these areas in Sanjiang to like see what's up you know like in the there will be surveilled by government officials and things like that or early even the isis files where this report and your time for Puerto Ric- meaney had gone into Baghdad and like she just went in and collected all these documents by yourself and then came back in the analyze the reverse engineered how isis was running their entire operation This is really good journalism. And and when you kind of focus on the that's going on in other parts of the world gives you a lot of perspective you realize that like a lot of woke stuff is actually very America's centric and if you had zoomed out you see. This wasn't a problem the thermostat issue of thermostats office temperatures being sexist for example. Because they're too cold for women. That's not a problem when you have seen how the women in Iran what they have to deal with and if we just did a rotation in in the newspapers where every everybody from the from the lifestyle of culture desk has to do a stint in Saudi Arabia. Something reporting from the front like maybe just. Maybe we'll have some perspective on shore while it is all perspective right. I mean when in the absence of any real oppression you find oppression everywhere pencils and yeah like Pr- progress is the victim of its own success in a way. And you know this one of the things that because I had a big imposter syndrome. I Join Spectator And what they told me was I was like you know not train a journalist in the like. Yeah we know that. But that's actually you know the chairman said like that's what we want you. It's because you didn't go to the same schools. You didn't go to the same journalism school so you don't think like all the kids are graduating from Columbia for in journalism so we want different perspectives. And it's like in fact it's a policy that we don't even ask for you go to school. We don't ask what you study. We don't care so don't even tell us and that's how I got on board. Just did they just read your writing and say we think exactly now? Refreshing is very refreshing. It's wonderful spectator. Usa congrats to them. Why do you think that you can't joke around about things? Why do you think that that in some way is going to make people take you less seriously people put you in bins right so Professionally there's just you said it's this like signal of like how you. GonNa act how you dress how you come across and in professional settings. That's there's an expectation of you as behaving a certain way. Now when you're funny the problem is that that people don't know like you say something but like be totally ridiculous and and it's it's a joke but but then other people might take that seriously and now you're a racist or welcome to my world right right but you're you sell your door again. It's it's very different if you are. If you are tethered to an organization that you have to represent the day people can't separate that so you know part of my job is is is negotiating deals with Many of the authors. That you have on your show right. People like who write bestselling books Trying to think deals with them. I want your Arabic digital rights for free You know I wanna make videos of your bookstore video. Some reason always thinking we inc contracts with them working with publishers agents and then also fundraising. I have to go to individuals to say like. Hey you know what it's GonNa cost twenty thousand dollars to translate bespoke You know which you want to sponsor it like your fan of this book. Can we get this in Arabic for free So when you're kind of like handling those things and going into officers and penguin random house and it's a certain expectation set of you and I I don't know if it's even more true of women though that like they don't expect you to be funny or like the funnier you are. But the more they take you less seriously versus then I don't know there seems to be a bit of a gender divide there. I can see that I could see how that would be an issue but I would like it to be their problem not yours funny people so whenever someone says they're discouraged from being funny and that's one of the things I like about your twitter page is it's funny. You're very funny discouraging. You from being funny to me. It's like why would you do that? You can't separate commentator GonNa get you on. I don't think that's an how could how could that be true? How is it true that someone who's just making jokes also can't be a serious person with a really well thought out perspective? I agree with you. But it's it's it's just one of the feedback. I've gotten like taken seriously. People people that are running things. You need your own show. We need to stop working for people. No I I mean I'm still believing institutions. That's why I'm not like Super I wonder revolution. I still believe that the way. We're going to change things as through right now. There's just too much power and it's my heart would like a revolution. Maybe I'm just saying I'm not the kind of person that wants to tear down institutions right. I want to work. We didn't to change things because they have the best shot at changing things So in that sense I'm not. I'm not that much of an outsider. I love this quote. Actually Elizabeth Warren said it. She said in late in life you have to choose. Are you going to be an insider or outsider? An insider doesn't have the freedom of speech but he has the power to change things and outsider can say whatever he or she wants. You can bitch about system. You can be a whistle blower but you have no power to change anything and you have to choose you do. That's awesome quote the Kota quote. No actually no actually came from Larry Summers. I don't know if that's accurate. I don't know if you have to be an insider or an outsider. I think you have to have financial freedom so that you don't worry about someone taking away your ability to make a living so you suppress their own thoughts right. That's the big one but it takes a very you know. A lot of things have to be aligned circumstantially to to have financial freedom and but a lot of that does come from even working within the institution. A lot of people who have huge national back. And that's why somebody Sarah Hater tweeted something like the the one thing that's not really talked about is the classes implications of canceled culture right because it's going to affect the lower class more drastically right if you don't have the money they're cancels yeah. There's a huge classes infiltration too. Yeah that's true it's also just a frivolous way of treating human beings and there's no path for redemption. It's like the thought process of it is so limited. Because you're not considering the fact that these these are humans and these are people and people learn and grow and they get this not offering any path to redemption and lumping all digressions and all the mistakes into the same. Sorta pile right. It's just it's a childish way of treating human beings and it's also there's a fear to it that it's GonNa come back on you so you go after them. Like some of the biggest creeps are also male feminists right. They're the ones who are really. You know what I mean Andrew Doyle the other day those funny yes. I love that guy. He's amazing book. Walk past two tiny McGrath. I love retweeting those two Tanya posts because so many people like what the fuck is this who is so mad. He thinks she's real so she could be in the sense like sometimes she ends up predicting all-time commentary she's so close to real this. This like if you had a television show. Like one of them after midnight episodes. Is that what it is was? It was the David Spade show called lights out. I'm thinking in the other one. The one that Chris Hardwick used to host. Anyway you have a talk show. Let's say Jimmy Kimmel if we had is this tiny McGrath or is this a real activist and you and you had the quotes backed by a lot of them are close. You be hard-pressed get a lot of it wrong. We're at the point. Though in our history and culture that that we can even write better satire than reality. And that's that's a problem. It is a problem when when our satirists are actually ended up end up writing better stories than or or even predicting it's happening well. People are losing their fucking minds. There was a video from the University of Phoenix. I think it was where. There's this kid on campus and there was some pro trump group. Did you see that video that kids screaming and saying you're fucking fascist shelf fucking trump throughout to cut and he's screaming and he's walking away from them screaming and making this? You should have your throats cut to completely unhinged and I was watching this. I was like e mansion if this was some kid yelling about Obama and the Obama administration and the Liberals mean. Because he's not saying anything he's not saying the reason why I hate you is because you detain children at the border in cages. Let's play this. I could hear it and.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"At Patriotair Dot com slash Seth Andrews. It's like beyond the sponsors is like. Due to we I used to be able to make a significant amount of income with the videos that I post it on youtube and ever since 2017 Youtube just been a frigging nightmare. I'm looking back at some of the stuff that I've just recently posted <hes> Bryan Daulton interview that releases in a few days. It's already got a copyright strike on it because I'm playing some clips from his channel promoting his chain linking to his channel. Will that's now ineligible eligible. Let's see classic Christian album covers that was a fun show. That's been deemed in eligible and de Monetize to the interview with Sarah Hater talking about extremism and liberal values. That's been deemed deemed too controversial for Youtube at least for the advertisers we did a show on A._S.. Are Bad spin deemed ineligible. <hes> what else I mean. It's just crazy Christian privilege in America with Sarah Air Eleven at the Secular Coalition for America. We're sorry that is to controversy all it's been de Monetize Zara k talking about women in the Islamic world the abortion ruling in Alabama. That's an instant instance strike the Nawabi in cults and the young lady named Hannah who escaped it nope. That's been confirmed absolutely in eligible. I mean this is like what does qualify anyway. I'm just bitching sorry. It's it's certainly I guess at the end of the day is just all he's the first world problems. It's all about perspective. I try to do that from time to time to try to remember that. At least the I could be starving to death. I could have a life threatening disease could have circumstances that are have sentenced me rather to a life of misery and instead. I'm doing what I love with the people that I love and I'm connected to an audience that has become my family and I don't really have anything to complain about. It is from time to time it does get under my skin talk about first first world problems office griping about cellphones and movie theaters talking to Natalie about that and she thinks I'm amusing because I'm that guy. I'm that guy we'll be in a movie theater and this has happened many many times in my my life and you walk in and there's a sign it says please turn off your cell phone and then you go sit down and they have announcements before the movie during all the advertising and the whatever they call that <hes> that preview stuff twenty minutes of video that plays his please silence your cell phones and then <hes> the lights go down and there's another announcement please be kind and courteous to others and silence your cell phone now cell phones off than they do. The thing that the regal cinemas have that little roller coaster animation that makes me dizzy and then you go buy a sign on it that roller coaster sees the sign and it says please turn off your cell phone and then honestly just good sense says shut your freaking phone off. You're in a room with no lights on except for the big screen and your were tiny light really does distract from the big one right. If you have to take a call or text or whatever just get your ass out in the lobby this basic this is basic and yet I'll be in the theater and I don't know probably two out of five times we go to the movies they'll be somebody who just yanks at the cell phone and they start texting just done concerned with anybody behind who might be having to look at the bright white hot light light coming out of their cell phone and so I'm that guy I have been known on many occasions. I'm not guy if you turn on your cell phone in a movie theater I will be the one who gets up walks to your seat. Looks you in the eye and says would you please shut that off and I think this is basic. It's basic okay. I didn't drop twenty thirty. Whatever bucks to come in here to the movie theater to look at your cell phone? I'm not saying that movies aren't a communal experience so natalie's like you're in a public place and people you know they..
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"My patrons get this show commercial free they also get a two days early thank you so much for your support at patriotic dot com slash seth andrews i continue a conversation with sarah hater she's a friend she is cofounder of acts muslims up north america she is a human rights activists and we're talking just candidly sort of about some of the challenges and opportunities we fades as activists inside and outside of these circles i'm interested in these purity tests where people can't advocated for someone else unless they are ex or unless they aren't why i'm reminded of the story abroad mohammed when she was trying to escape scape thea bangkok airport she's barricaded in the room she's on twitter she's live streaming please they're coming for me they've threatened to kill me and i remember when i was out there are so many other people were all sharing the story and the story goes viral and she is rescued and given asylum in austria or in canada rather and 'em i remember thinking to myself you know whenever she if she ever stumbled across the share by myself an axe christian next muslim born in oklahoma in the united states and she saw me advocating for her i can't imagine she would be like oh shit he's white or he's in jail or he's not a max muslim and yet i am told constantly that i have to be x or not be why to be able to support someone else this makes no sense like i can march with my best friend in a pride parade because i'm had a row where do these things come from and i'm sure you've experienced as well right right and then they've gotten worse right i remember couple of years ago when i started the first time hearing this kind of language and i wish you know sort of any sort of saying i don't know about this i don't this makes sense that you have to be it'd be exact race ethnicity whatever a in order to discuss certain issues 'em whenever i remember when i first started up people said extremist just nugent wacky tumbler teenagers and you just need forget about that and move onto the real problems and discussed a real problems except this kind of thinking has taken over you know like i i wouldn't say maybe taking over is a strong word but a truly become normalized in are discourse especially after a circle and progressive actress circle especially that you have the compromise certain that you have to belong permit you to come from a certain experience unable to in in order to even participate in the discussion i there's certain things that you have an opinion on i have an opinion on a bike i can't i can't advocated for issues relating to gender equality right i'm i'm a man i thought that was the point i thought we're all supposed to be advocating for each other two were race those unique qualities 'em and endlessly spiced issue and by by the way we used are 'em you know the the factors that we can't change by herself as a form of qualifier her whether or not you're allowed to participate in a certain discussion it's very lazy it's an it's a fundamental level it's anti liberal you know it's the opposite of of of the you know the fundamental idea that makes up a liberal society and that it which is that we have the capacity to speak to each other and we have that capacity to become to change their minds to make coalitions to work together for a better future but the only way you're gonna have that is is if you if you understand it there's eight common humanity anders inability to empathize inability to sympathize inability to understand deeply sometimes you know festival situation that you're not necessarily apart up again if you if you let this go this concept and what are we left you can't participate in certain conversations i can't participate in certain conversations unless i belong to that a specific ethnic group then we're just all western start in are little goals of of people who have the same skin color end gender and whatever what have you on an end were not allowed to have when i lived in you know participate.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"Burgers on the coffee table you wanna eat a burger put it on a bar stakes to be jobs the new american cheese burger fresh juicy fiefs still it's crispy around just covered in doing she's stuck to the with delicious this knocked out with a frost in the bar just like those forms of god to cheeseburger while way please drink responsibly i am no an ad from dad all right save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive gotta take these off right what is this this looks good wow where did you get this i'm talking to you with the hair yeah where did you get this good stuff solid that's not the near that solid stuff progressive can't save you from becoming your parents but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurance discounts not available in all states or situations there is video of this conversation between myself and sarah hater backs muslims up north america if you'd like to watch the youtuber version the links in the description box of the show the thinking atheist it's all an idea population of eight hundred children going into the room rejecting stay fairly knowledge challenging the sacred if i tell the truth is truly how because i put my hand on a broken made a wish her and working together hormone rational thinking feel so much more happiness mnuchin wisdom will come i'm not saying question every day and not thinking this is the thinking atheist how can this guy that i'm going to denver colorado colorado secular conferences coming up the weekend of july twenty seven next month is a lincoln nebraska we've got orlando coming up for the florida free thought event first weekend in november i'm gonna join matt dillon hunting different events in phoenix the weekend of november ninth if you need times dates locations all those details or at my website seth andrews dot net slash events sarah hater is cofounder of x muslims of north america she is an ex muslim herself she is one of those people who i really do admire and respect out there and they arena of ideas she just seems to be on the right side of the stuff so often in somehow manages to keep her cool i don't know how this is possible because all of these conversations are almost always so heated insane how do you keep your cool actually you know what sarah the other day
"sarah hater" Discussed on Very Bad Wizards
"Take one class anthropology. Poss? So here's a con potential conflict. And I also think that this is something very characteristic of young people and something that's very characteristic of growing older. Is you start to realize just how much of the world, you don't know that you don't understand that's much more complicated than you. Once thought it was and now some sometimes that's because you just know more. But I also I don't know it doesn't feel like as you've grown older you start to see the complexity and things that you weren't able to see I'm of two months 'cause I can actually I can get the exact opposite intuition about about things to that. Like that. I. More willing to speak with authority about things than than I ever was before. Right. Like pontiff Kate. If you remember, actually. When I was in grad school. I remember talking to this person. I was working with who's actually working on some of this stuff above average, and we were talking about expertise, and I was telling him like, I don't think I'll ever feel like an expert in anything. Because it's so overwhelming to me. And he was like, what are you talking about like, you know, like, I know for fact that I know more about X than anybody like most people in the world like your expert in a lot of things like I wasn't being mocked Kumble was actually just expressing. So you probably were you were more modest maybe insecure about your failure for sure. Whereas I was just kind of insufferable I read this elfish, gene. And I thought I understood like the right way to understand biology, and you know, that that was my right? So so this gets to this other this other problem that I think arises from nuance, which is it makes us really boring. So. You and I have had this feeling. I don't know. Maybe I just remember the most recent time when you're telling me that I was hedging too much like the more expert. I become at something the more. I wanna like hedge even hedge my hedges every qualify, my qualifications. And and makes for like it makes for a real inability to communicate action. I mean, one of the reasons to be believed firmly in something is because it leads you to act if you don't believe anything, then like, why would you do anything? No, that's right, and someone who has edited some of your just endless sentences with constant qualification, you probably. Everything and you never get to what you never back up to the way. All the way that the actual view that you were going. I heard on the rationally speaking podcast. Julia. Golly. Alif had Sarah hater on and they were talking about this. And they were talking about the nuance is a real trade off because once you inject nuance into your dialogues with others, and even just in the way, you think about things it really does make you a less inclined to inspire action and passion and others and be harder to get yourself more motivated, and and it's a trade off that sometimes is a good trade off to make. But maybe sometimes it, right? And, you know, this is this really matters in the way that we communicate for instance, say science to the to the public, right? So one of the things that that I think are always getting annoyed is. When when somebody like, a journalist or whatever rights up something, and they speak with it as if it's as if it's just true. And we know all of the ways in which is not true. But it's something that that I've had to kind of disabuse myself of in. I remember one of the first times that I was on a live radio interview. I sucked it sucked. They didn't. Even like, I was talking like a professor and they were out of time. Like, I don't even get to the to the point. And I had to learn which I don't learn to this podcast because I know you're going to edit it. I had to learn how to say things in ten seconds..
"sarah hater" Discussed on Serious Inquiries Only
"This is not a it's not a casual thing is not a thing. You just bring up, you know. And when I say that I mean, you don't bring up like, oh, my grandfather might have been you know, like that. That's what I mean like being conscious about it is tough. And it's a challenge. But it's it's it's something that we ought to try to do and in that light what in the world was Liam Niessen doing when he's telling a story about being George Zimmerman who could have murdered on innocent black person. What are you doing men? Just don't tell that story. And I'm serious. You know, I was going to bring up Sarah haters reaction to this because Seth Andrews retweeted it, and I think it's it's absolute nonsense in my opinion. Listen to the paranoid ramblings of Sarah Haider here. Here's our Twitter threat unfortunate lessons from the Liam Niessen debacle. If you are human enough to have made a mistake. Do not also be stupid enough to share the mistake with the outside world, do not expect circumstance dilution character or contrition to save you from the fury of the mob. By the way, the fury of the mob has been not to see his movie. So there you plus, you know, probably say in tweet angry things out like like exists everywhere here step one. This is what I mean when I was setting it up in the beginning that we can't base our opinions on how people are reacting in the world. It just it doesn't if that's all you're looking at like you can look at it as a component. But if that's if that's all you're looking at you can find anyone to you cannot pick. Anyone just to be a person in the world right now on the internet means fifty percent of people hating you like, that's reg, really just is what it is right now. I can't you know, like if you want me to point to my files of people on the other side who send disgusting stuff at me. And all that I can do it. And it doesn't mean that. I'm right. Just as if you can find someone who was to mean to Liam Niessen on Twitter. It doesn't mean that Liam Neeson's, right? We have to realize that we are kind of stuck with social media. And how it is. Like, we're that's that. Should no longer be shocked now doesn't make it. Okay. I personally I'm going to do my best. To. I haven't been on social media whole lot lately, I'm doing my best. You know, a try to act better because it got hard. When ahead a bunch of in insult douchebag white men tweeting at me, it got tough. You know, I lashed out at times, and I hope very much I only lashed out of people who directly deserved it. But maybe I didn't. I don't know. Maybe I made a mistake. I don't know. But the point is I'm not excusing harassing behavior on Twitter. I still think is awful. But we know that anyone on any side is subject to it. You know, we can argue about the prevalence, I think you know, that that's a separate discussion. We can argue that does side X have more harassment than side y we can argue about that. But I think it's pretty obvious that it's everywhere if I'm a liberal, and I go to certain places online. I will get disgusting weird racist things I got a whole bunch of people when I dared to. Challenge. You know, Karl Sargon San some weird racist stuff at me, really weird stuff. Like, oh, how come you didn't how come your baby isn't black? If you love black people so much like just makes no sense. It's everywhere. It's on all sides. You can't pretend that you're the only rational person and your side is right because you found you've done some nut picking and found some bad reactions on the other side, what we have to do is try to have a logical response and try.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"Driveway with the store and a church in this little tiny town here, and they parked in front of the church and it's not teenager three hick mechanic Tennissee. There's no internet, we, I don't think we owned an Atari at the time. There's nothing better to do so it doesn't say long roll the crowd and. You know, originally just make this story is just taking us to a whole other level team. Yeah, you you just you don't really part of that roster, but anyway. Anyway, you know, we've got a pretty good krill. Everybody's looking over the truck. We're going over the boys and our preacher showed up and he gets out of the vehicle, gets out of his big on. He surveys the truck, and he surveys the boys, and he declares that God saved him, but he said it in a way like, you know, don't even dare think that anything else happened here. God reached down and saved him and my step dad who had had a little bit of a weird thing he did when he went to talk, I've kind of getting it myself. I get older, but he was stammer a little bit in the beginning of a sentence that he began sentences often with the phrase by George, and then it'd be fine. Well, the pressure of course, he's, you know, laying it out here. God saved them. God saved him. And my step dad kind of leaned down the million heels budge organ, goddamn, ROY Moore's, what saved them and like right there in that moment in that little instant in time in my tenure little brain switch got with now. I did not become an atheist. I wouldn't become an atheist until I was nearly forty years old. All of a sudden. Everything I had been taught from the Genesis story to the end of times that we were living in in nineteen eighty three. It was the end of time, of course, and rat in there. It all got called into question and that was the very first TC in the armor that was the very first crack in the dam and over the next several years. And it was a rather lengthy process. But I finally came to realize everything I have been told was pure bullshit. And rooster just caps at story with an exclamation more. I mean, that's just beautiful. Like we couldn't timed it any better? What's his name? Do you name your animals? That particular roaster that have a name. He is muttering game rooster they're very beautiful Braida bird. He has long black feathers. He's lost a few to unfortunate counter with a dog. He is an MP is an absolute coward. Hey, was recently beaten up by small Banham roaster and he loves to chase our children under bicycles around around the yard, but he's he's perfectly harmless. He's absolutely all bark and no back and he's, he's pretty good. So pretty little friend why we love you. Steve from Tennessee is how. Because you're live such a colorful lie. Well, it's honestly, it's so good to still be friends and still be able to connect after all these years. I'm glad to hear your life in a good place. You know, it's what's that line from the movie that there's no normal life. They're just life right any time. Right man. Good with the bad. Take a boat in there. You have the facts of life. I heard that some wisdom somewhere along. Steve, I wish you the best with with you and you knew family and all you critters and all that stuff. And I know that a lot of people join you as we sort of celebrate show four hundred today so means a lot that we could talk. Okay. Well, I'm still a part of it. Man. He this is part camp. Holo humanist chaplain at the university of Cincinnati. Hi, everyone. This is Sarah hater from ex Muslims of North America..
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Fifth Column
"I think the point that I'm making is to the extent you have persuasive arguments that don't require you to speculate about the dark motives of the people. You're arguing against. This doesn't. You should use our right to the extent you're making an argument. I'm not against having a conversation about something that takes race into consideration. I mean, one of the issues that I have is the degree to which we can't talk about Chicago, for example, and this, it's amazing the the fact that there are so many of these weekends where you have these explosions violence where so many people end up getting shot not necessarily killed but shot, which is still traumatic and awful. And I mean, it just I can't even imagine living in a neighborhood where you have to think about the fact that out here kind of twelve of your neighbors. Twelve of your neighbors were shot. I only think about the fact that there was like a kid shot three weeks ago, like blocks near me, and that's a problem. And I'm saying that there it's even worse. But the point that I was gonna that I was moving towards was, yeah, their race is a part of the conversation in this complicated problem of describing. Discussing figuring out remedies to the violence in a place like Chicago. So I think, can I interrupt to get and be useful? Can I interrupt to get to perhaps what I think is your point, which is that if the end points of your race or minority based analysis is this happened because racism that's bad, but it's lot if the end point is, hey, look, people are benefiting here positively because this thing exists. Yeah, then that's not bad. No. If the, here's, here's the rule wick racism stuff in particular because that's what you're asking about. Kind of to the extent you want to invoke racism as the explanation for why the bad thing happened. I think extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the evidence for assertions of racism that bar ought to be high because it's it's a big deal to say that someone even bad person, even people. We dislike is actually motivated by that particular dark malevolent force that to that point, and which is interesting. Scanty was making out this new legal immigrant issue, but I'm going to take us back to the Muslim ban. Okay. And that was originally conceived on the fly? Just to be shitty about Muslims. Remember he just said, I'm gonna bay on entry to this country. Any Muslims that until until we figure the thing being radical, radical Islam thing, right? But then when the ban actually came out seven countries on their all of which were not a terrorism problem, right. Well, so there were all on that the they were out Obama's massive lists that hadn't been trimmed, but they were not the top offending countries, right by any means through. For instance, when you look at that when the policy actually comes in front of you and there's no rationale like there's no economic argument for the legal immigration ban that they're going. After if you actually look at the numbers, then, are we allowed to say, this was conceived because Stephen Miller is a racist, or are we still benefit of the doubting or week? Because we can't, we can't. No, but we can have a lot of evidence that these things are being decided because we got a bunch of other s more evil probably than just another hanging out in the most powerful house in the entire world. There is a longer conversation that I would like to have about that, but you're asking or posing that particular question here reminds me that I taped a podcast with Sarah hater and that I need to finish editing it. So I can release shortly after this one because we do touch on some of those related themes. And I think that is a complicated question. I think there's a sense in which and I'm sort of channeling Sam Harris here. Donald Trump was like talking. About some of these issues. He's the worst possible person to talk about these issues in a way that most other people aren't willing to. I'm thinking back to like the Sam Harris, Ben Affleck beef on a on real time where they were having this conversation, and Sam was trying to to talk about his unique particular concerns with Islam..
"sarah hater" Discussed on Waking Up with Sam Harris
"I mean it doesn't stop people like sarah a minnesota so sarah hater gets deep platform d at colleges right she's as unobjectionable a person as any that has ever walked the earth but the fact that she saying anything critical of islam is taboo i think there are there are and to points and you know you that must know what's happened i on hers say l e in it was that vein interviewed elsewhere but so same i mean i think he reason was on why rogan's the government coiffier house stopped but pyre ming for but talks someone like ion after hersi this i election li they don't like the the doors they on the don't political like me right to be critical open of wide some of because perhaps she saying their own ideologies things that are critical i about islam i dunno i think about that and i christian use a fundamentalists lot of a speaking come outta the around woodwork the world to for support her state department but she's a and secular atheist our government should for and truly liberal come person november i mean she's twenty not air she's sorry not january right weighing i mean maybe you she's know twenty slightly libertarian election economically day i but got no there more is of a pathology those talks on because the left of that what i was talking anyone about on the has left 'em e you asked anyone like who why really was cares you know about james liberal damore values being interviewed has to figure out how to exercise and russell really does connect a lot of those dodds and he's a really sweet guy i mean he's just he's incredibly nice person but he is he's massively confused about a lot of these points.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"Belief there are less likely to change their mind so the audiences sitting in this safe zone going wow now i can actually think about this and may be that person in the audience is likely to change their mind just so they don't have to go through the embarrassment of presenting you know an awful argument i somebody presented an awful argument against platter thor's today on facebook and i ripped to shreds i i feel bad uh because the argue is so bad it look like flatter thor's made it just so they could rebutted but the people are so generally ignorant about science it was like oh here's another anti flatter through argun i'm just going to spew it out on facebook when it was garbage and so i think if you have this goal of caring about the truth which is something that i frequently have to ask people okay do you actually care what's true because if you don't there's not much point as having a conversation but if you do then we should be able to get to a point where we both have expressed how we would go about discovering the truth in this situation and at least one of us is wrong if we disagree perhaps were both wrong and romance done a whole lot of debate mr tillis humpty has done a whole lot of debating sarah hater did i see that you a video of you were you in a debate against a religious person or woods i taking that out of context me because the speech i haven't i haven't yet donna a public debate anson probably probably wasn't me and i think.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"On my panel today about tactics how to change minds including our own i have met dillon humpty of atheist debates in the atheist experience probably the most experienced debater of religious people that i can think of he joins us for the panel covens sonapur theses a science communicator and an author anna public speaker her work has been featured in forbes and on npr and elsewhere she's co author of the book the fear babe shattering bonnie haris glass house so she takes on the food babes pseudoscience i've got sarah hater cofounder of vexed muslims of north america she is an activist and a speaker and a public voice for ex muslims an atheist and she engages with believers worldwide and anthony magnabosco he runs the street epistemology website this guy just goes out on the street all the time like all the time and just randomly engages religious people and he gets it on camera and he's got a whole youtube page and website documenting these exchanges he joins us for our conversation about changing minds i want to start with a quote from dr house now i haven't watched house but i i'm going to have to now that i'm going to openly meet him at the american atheist national convention coming up in just a few weeks i'm very excited that he's the keynote right is like a renaissance man he's a musician a comedian an actor and he is also an atheist he does not believe in god's and house apparently is quoted there's a mean going around that says if you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people i see it shared on a lot of atheist pages and it makes me cringe a little bit because you know i i am this really resonate with me um.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"Of all that they've teamed up with the oklahoma city food bank for a special charity thing they're going to pack 25000 meals to help feed hungry people and the oklahoma city food bank usually partners with in a religious organisations churches and whatnot so this is going to be something unique for them and it's going to be a fantastic demonstration of good for goodness sake it's all weekend about community about charity and hearts and i cannot wait they've got the ticket prices on the website general admission member admission student admission military and there are also doing something just for those on a limited or fixed income who can't afford the full convention admission they have a discount admission price to make sure that they can attend any way convention tickets and hotel rooms are going fast so gad yours today you can go to atheists' dot org slash convention twenty 18 that's atheists' dot org slash convention twenty eighteen now on the podcast coming up next week i'm going to have a conversation with a guy named dr hector garcia he has a book called alpha god the psychology of religious violence and oppression and we're going to get into some on and i guess it's controversial conversations of bouts who's responsible for all this god stuff why do so many of these god's especially the abrahama god's have the whole alpha male going on why do they so often demonstrate mailed tendencies what's that about what's the psychology behind the creation of these got going to be a fascinating conversation i'm sure you're going to win away in as well that's coming up next week and then in two weeks i'm going to have a panel of people a panel including met dhillon hunting sarah hater anthony magnabosco and someone he brought to the table kavan's sonapur theme to talk about tactics how do we change minds out there so often we speak to the religious we hit a free.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"You have the war song and see atheist activist you know the phd types who do right the books and submit the higher profile articles for publication's like the new york times and scientific american nature know lawrence krause right the theoretical physicist he's a great example and krause provide some crossover into the convention aspect of atheist activism he speaks at events like imagine no religion and the freedom from religion foundation conference the american atheist national convention you'll find lots of other convention speakers they run the gamut from people like man daesa thomas a black nonbelievers to are in raw he's currently running for texas senate it got faysal sayyed elmukhtar he's the president of ideas beyond borders god margaret downey the founder of the free thought society get former pastor dan barker of the ffr f you got sarah hater and mohamed siad of ex muslims of north america you've got hamid meta of their friendly atheist at cetera you've got podcast her atheists' of which i am one more podcasters every day this podcasters on top of podcasters everywhere we've never had this many choices out there i mean everywhere cognitive dissonance and dogma debate which recently got picked up by podcast one out of los angeles she got the scathing atheist in the atheist experience and that segue doubt of austin texas off a public access tv channel to reach a global audience on the internet so many others out there so many other podcasts there's a movement of atheist who dedicated their lives to helping people damaged by religion you've got recovering from religion which says on their own website you are not alone and we are here to help.
"sarah hater" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"A pew research study that came out last year says that about a quarter of our planet's countries and territories about a fourth of them have antiblasphemy laws many of these nations islamic and the punishments for blasphemy very you might get a monetary fine or they might just executed you outright and as with christianity you know we see the struggle between a religions scriptures and fundamental teachings and it's wide and diverse array of cultures and teachings and practices and attitudes on a planet of seven billion people we see so many out there crying alahu akbar as they mode children down with machineguns and detonate suicide vests send be had their captives in front of a video camera and then we see others saying allahu akbar as they declared that they are in fact not interested at all in violence that they hate violence that they like us just want a peaceful world and so again we look at the issue of islam its teachings it's radicals and the challenge that we face as the influence of islam continues to swell across the planet the fastest growing religion on earth and this broadcast i'm going to feature various conversations and portions of conversations that are going to be released in their full length form as videos on youtube you're going to hear from faysal sayyed i'll muhtar he was born in iraqi now lives on the east coast in the united states he is an atheist and an activist he often addresses islam you're gonna hear from sarah hater and mahamed siad abac's muslims of north america they're going to talk about the plight of the ex moslem i want to address with sarah and muhammad some of the more controversial voices in some recent discussions regarding islam specifically liam and ask them about sam harris and raise oslon you know after that big dust up on bill maher a couple of years ago that white continues even today.
"sarah hater" Discussed on Waking Up with Sam Harris
"Is very little talk about the danger and difficulty of being an muslim in the west as why sarah's organization and her voice are so important so without further delay i bring you sarah hater enjoy i'm here with sarah hater sarah thanks for coming on the podcast thank you for having me i have been a fan of yours for it has to be at least a year or two years how how it will when did you give that talk at the secular conference it was at the american humane association it was in two thousand fifteen have started to realize that when i estimate the amount of time that has passed i always should double it so i said a year and then i went to two years because i knew i had to be wrong this is what happens when you age that talk was fantastic and i was it was at the first talk like that that you would given or or had yuban were on the circuit for a while and i just had noticed i spoke here in there about my organization x listeners macah interest apostasy issues that was the first time however that i was really talking about the issues with liberals and islam and how it kind of coincides in this in this very strange way obviously many people love that talking and you have many fans among my listeners on this podcast and many have requested that you get on so i'm uh i'm very happy to have you here.