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Katy Balls' Sunday Interviews Roundup - 25/08/19

Coffee House Shots

12:02 min | 1 year ago

Katy Balls' Sunday Interviews Roundup - 25/08/19

"<music> hello wasn't a coffee house. Shots spectators daily poets focused on k. tables and the sunday roundup the g. seven seven seven is underway in france and brecca's naturally on their gender burs johnson spoke to the b._b._c.'s cat. You're at the but hopes for brexit renegotiation with the e._u. I think that all depends on our e._u. Friends and partners i think actually in the last few days there's been a sort of doing realization in brussels european capitals that <hes> you know what the shape of the of the problem is for the for the u._k. And and i think everybody gets it by now. It's to do without withdrawal agreement. It's due to the fact that under the current terms we be kept locked in <hes> the e._u. Legal order will be kept locked in the trading system without without any say on those things that can't work for a great economy integrate country that is maybe one you said it depends very much on the willingness and to cooperate in the common sense of pride moving willingness. I think i mean i'm an optimist but i do think that a okay so i do understand that there's an opportunity to to do a deal but i also i think it's going to be it's going to be touch and go but the important thing is to get ready to come out without the prime. Minister seems to have the support of at least one junkyard. I president donald trump offered him some praise at the summit. We know she's the white man for the job saying that for a long time your apprentice very happy but i've been saying for a long time very good straighttalk between the very big deal ever had the u._k. Okay and now point. They won't have the obstacle. They won't have the anchor around the wrinkle. That's what they have so. We have a very good talked before when we were timing timing by the other side is nothing. Nothing got done in the eu as you've seen for. There's a different person and there's a person that's going to be greek prime minister in my opinion safety razor tanta shay this week into being the transport acti- grunt chaps there have been stands at the transplant infrastructure may be overwhelmed by the impact of a nato brexit. However shops remained upbeat. If there is an do your department is going to be incredibly effective doesn't it because the bottle night three david primarily i mean we've been talking about huge keys into food food shortages potentially to stop palm medicine shortages of food worried. What will this bumps in the road so it soon so i mean <music>. It's three years after i was remain voter. It's three years later. We still not left people actually on c._n._n. To this they won't be but they also don't want to say you too much to three point so people want to see an end to it and you're absolutely right that the pump transport is absolutely the front sort of leading edge edge of whatever happens next particularly with those potential cues in kent so am i am as i mentioned before attending daily exit operation meetings things in cobra where we are getting into really infinitesimal detail about every possible aspect we will be ready in fact i would say we are much more prepared than most people realize rich also brought up the feature of h. S. t. we should government has placed under review is h has to going to happen so we'll know the answer to this by the end of the air eyeball stuck ogilvie with the prime minister to review. I've said blank blank sheets of paper. I've just come into this row blank sheet of paper. Just give me the facts. Everything is possible so maybe it. Maybe be off this review. You decide to scrub h._s._a. If you start with a blank piece of paper and you say to the person doing the review and his team give me the facts that any outcome. I'm is possible from that. Yes let me be clean premises. At the same we would hesitate for an age before not building begin structure but it must be writes writes a check what we're doing just because the project has already taken a lot of money and just because the projections even if the projections just continued to rise in terms of cost it cannot be right not stop and take a look at it. We are spending taxpayer money and that money can only be spent once so you've got to spend it wisely so this. This is blank sheet of paper. Let's take a look at it and i'll tell you all the facts in front of me what i think mounted but i want the facts i i'm. I'll be going back to parliament when we return turn shortly and making a statement to say everything. I know so far about about this as well so i think it's just right to get everything out and table. The mayor great rated manchester. Andy burnham speak up strongly defensive h. t. and its importance to north of england. This review is about building the right railway for britain in the twenty first century. The right cost minimizing waste well. That's okay. I will support that because i still have some concerns about the design and the cost of of vowed to however if this review is about scrapping it then the government better get ready for an almighty fight with the big cities of the north and i it's on the midland's too so what do you think the consequences would be if the government did to solve describe paycheck to because they claim that whatever happens investment in railways in the north wolf is going to happen. They pledged to high speed rail link between needs and manchester for example. So what's the problem. The problem sophia's quite simple it would leave britain in the twenty first century trying to build a transport system on victorian rail infrastructure is our problem that is what led to the timetable chaos of last last year britain needs to put its best foot forward and invest in infrastructure that will set for for the future i of course just about getting people out effect. 'cause it's clearly the right thing to do. Navy shadow international trade secretary sarah gardner hasn't if boris johnson's government fools jeremy jeremy corbyn must be the first in line to replace him. This puts him at odds with liberal democrat leader j swinson who had much radha someone else took the reins. I understand that you genuinely believed that. The best most logical answer to the s. is a caretaker government led by jeremy corbyn but you don't have the numbers we've offered the the only failsafe way of achieving okay now but there are other you could have a unity government led by a different. Couldn't you look you can i think it was extremely extremely petulant of jo swinson the other day to come out and and dismiss this proposal in the way that she did. It sounded founded. She couldn't take yes for an answer because she's been saying and the liberal democrats and others have been saying for so long. Look we need to have a second referendum and remained needs to be on the ballot paper. Then now being offered a failsafe parliamentary procedural way of delivering that and they say we're not going to cooperate the natural constitutional process is the leader of the opposition is called on by her majesty to lead read new government. When a new government. I understand that that is true if just went if jersey with her majesty just whitson wants to the propel her majesty into constitutional crisis where instead instead of inviting the leader of the opposition to form a a new government she invite somebody else who is not the leader of a political party than that would be forcing the monarchy into a very embarrassing difficult judgment call that they would have to make on the subject of a pace brexit trade deal with brazil gaden highlights his his concerns by the amazon rainforest. You've said the u._k. Shouldn't be talking about trade deals with brazil and last sarah some kind of guarantees that they they were damore to try and combat what's happening well but we'll look in in the last eight days. A thousand square kilometers of the rainforest has been destroyed. Now that is illegal in terms of brazil's own legislation. It's code for a style. It is violating the rights of indigenous people like the pataxo whose whose reserves have just been destroyed who been burnt away and of course actually actually it's counterproductive for those ranchers in the south of the country and this is being done by by farmers in the north wants to clear forest in order to table to do raunchy but actually what happens is the ranchers in the south of the country are suffering drought precisely because the rain forest is being destroyed at such a pace that it's no longer producing the rains that come down to feed their posture now what we should be doing in terms of trade agreements. What's that we want to put in place brazil and i want to do trade of course i do and i want to see brazil developed. I want to see able to take care of the poor within brazil. That's absolutely vital but what we must do is make sure that we are not saying oh well if we can get cheap beast that is produced on areas of of deforested amazon then we're happy to do a deal on that basis what we need to do is what we've tried to do with palm oil and the european union with the agreements there and and it's to say look if it's not produced in the certifiable way no we path it's not part of the trade negotiation because you cannot sell off our environment our global future for cheap beef and finally the case former former ambassador japan said david warren has wound that getting a trade deal u._s. will not be as plain sailing as simply securing the goodwill of donald trump. This is going to be complex six and it's going to be politically sensitive and no matter what the president says about delivering a trade deal. He's going to have to get any trade deal through congress and the congress is going to find that there are senators and congress men and women whose constituents are affected by the trade concessions that he's going to have to make in order agreement a to the sort of trade deal that both sides want already. Nancy pelosi has said there's no way in which a trade deal is going to get through congress if it compromises promises the good friday agreement and the status of northern ireland which is the backstory issue which is such a problem. The government johnson shouldn't count his chickens is what you're charisma. Trump can't deliver a trade deal. I think that's the basic point just as he conned. Was he trying to do last week. Order american companies not to trade with china. That's off wolf this week. I'm katie bulls. Podcast is produced by matthew taylor. Definitely get subscribe to the coffee headshots podcast itchy and we also have a special offer you can subscribe to the spectator for twelve weeks just twelve pounds and receive a free amazon fight show left twenty pounds. Just katie spectator dakota e. k. forward slash dispatch it and if you enjoyed this focus. Do you also subscribe to a daily evening. Plant email is a free round of all the political news each day long analysis and dario and what to expect next juicy spectator took forward slash evening bland. Thanks sitting join us again next week <music> <music>.

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579: The Good Place S4E3 Review: "Chillaxing"

TeeVee

38:34 min | 1 year ago

579: The Good Place S4E3 Review: "Chillaxing"

"Have you heard I think there was an issue because your computer crashed rate that you didn't have your audio my computer crashed and cold record eating keep the EH regarding dusty was recording the wrong microphone so oh no was that an no further for your situation ratios approachable or if he were at work or whatever we would probably talk even if it was just to gossip about other people we work with welcome to team cockroach a podcast about the good place a weekly comedy on NBC. By Mike sure I'm Sarah Gardner and with me tonight we have Andrew Pontius Hi Andrew are there weren't very quotable but the plots seem interesting and it's nice to see where they're going and Shen but just as everyone's plans approving effective a shadowy figure comes pumping a handcart toured the neighborhood. What did everybody think of tonight's episode Fridge I don't either I just say hello to say the same thing are episode for tonight is the third episode that some of this other stuff felt like so well but the thing is Janis relatable right I mean he's an awful person but he afterlife makes them a little too carefree in order to help him they have to torture him they send in Jason to be badly kept secret complete with bud holes but you know I feel like the moments he had with Tahani were genuine and that that was nice to see because it wasn't a shortcut machine that there was a lot of good interactions with some characters paired up and they just felt good to see that so are you all happy with the pace think of this one as compared to the season opener was no brent tonight that was nice but there was a job all went towards the end there yeah I liked this episode I agree it wasn't really the typical joke the whole time and he's not nice versus John Fund is no interest in joining Chidi for morality lessons so she too has to find another angle she decides she will be his teacher from here on out and the work on a real connection we have the hunger moment at the end that keeps US guessing so all in all pretty enjoyable their CGI budget for this episode the season is called collecting and in it eleanor and Michael must take a new tack to push Chidi along as the lack of adversity in these I don't like John but I don't hate him nearly as much as a so I'd take John Any day that same boat I actually kind of think that John's a little bit the thing it was very funny but I liked it allowed doesn't make sense what do you mean well I don't think there were many jokes or if there were I'm so thankful for that everyone a little better well I don't really like watching the John Stuff so much either so as Chidi tension ramps up to honey attempts to bond with John the gossip columnist I've making him feel like he's part of the exclusive club while the enjoys this he is or has some gregory sticks that we all have to a certain sense he's insecure he he's not very comfy who is going to say I mean he's not nice either but he's likable you can understand why where he is the way that he is initial onset I know I'm backing up a little bit here of Chidi walking through the neighborhood just with Spring in his step did that throw anyone else it's the kind of approach that she would take but she was also able to do something smart because honesty the whole host you have to reflect on Oh yeah yeah I was kind of a bad person wasn't I am so do we feel like the Heavier Medusa Vich heavier hi friends and Rachel Aluminium regional high everyone the rest of you all have catchphrases I'm not sure I have of it is him sort of wallowing in what he can get away with which feels very eleanor like to me in that he you know he he trashes other people because putting the pieces together 'cause I think glass season always saw was him being a jerk to everybody we didn't see any of the underneath stuff if I remember correct off guard yeah yeah he I don't know if that felt earned it was it was kind of Sitcom me and I don't mean that in it was also nice to the apologize for it goods if you don't do that if you don't ever get to that point then you can't be redeemed in the end so yeah I think I think we're doing better endzone he's also he tries to cover it out with a portable personality instead Brent he's an asshole that's what I said that's why you have multiple multiple plan B's if you can with anything computer related yeah I had to fail so think about John is that some of some of what he does is based on how he's resentful of other people eligible success but not enjoy it yeah I'm a little surprised that as much as we're seeing Chidi were not really seeing simone but I guess they can't balance all the characters it's actually kind of feels good to have that kind of power over other people and you know when you can do it you want to indulge it so it it did feel better when they were kind of inject like Frisbee Golf into it Sherpa the we don't really know Chitty a lot we don't really Greece so it was nice to see some of to put some of those pieces together yeah he's actually a real human being there it's still a jerk you can't in her own way felt really earned especially since we haven't had a lot of her to go around and it was very believable and consistent with the character of two Hanney the thing is it's a bit of a sidetrack but it's also it made sense to a certain degree even though we knew that wasn't going to work but I see why oh are characterised outside of the good place much we we do know them some but we don't have like a complete picture and I'd be interested in having some of those characters interact with each other yes that's that that could be fun episode at some point where we may be only get our main characters at the beginning and the end the middle is all of them interacting bleak when they probably only have her for that actress for a certain number of episodes in the same way they probably have Brent for a certain number of episodes so this episode without them you think yeah I mean I thought it was fairly believable I kind of agree with you know what we don't know much about she from in a sense that this is a Sitcom of course it's feels it coming but just what does he do in like he should be you know he's like Mazlan wearing a Hawaiian shirt I mean do they really have to be from Simone's perspective I agree 'cause she's the only one that we sort of have a little bit of a handle on who she is from seeing her last season yeah it's kind of Nice that they're not all crammed into one because we get time with the story lines I would through on their own that are still interesting and I'm not sure the the story has been set up to have that much of it I think you're right I think if they do it they need to sort of build up this we might see his most of these characters really only seeing the the second crew of the next generation as it were we're only seeing in the Russian of our own well and she was so likable that having her be there where she doesn't really have to redeem herself too much she just has to believe in the good and what if he's not being tortured what what's going to happen and that's what we're seeing so again by it a little bit more characters and in order for an epic to work there needs to be enough going on with them things they need to learn by themselves things need to they need to and can go together that could be a fun twist be end up and create their own little team movie get an episode from the perspective of one of these through the rest of the gang I do think that would be interesting I think you're right what what are the things that we've seen already and that I was kind of thinking with your own them that we did that we have in the buzzed yeah I will say that having a war to honey centric episode and then letting her grow by teaching John Day of Brent and he's going to the golf course and he's going for Lange special placing complain if they offered so in with all of this for kind of reliving some of the same plotlines that we've award besides that he can't make decisions so maybe really liked frisbee golf at it is great weather and he thinks he's earned a place in paradise so why not ventured into the most prominent of which being Chidi living the secret that eleanor had to live in the first season knowing new for characters to see what what they in in the good place for them is an adjust from the perspective of fell in Iran very repetitive but that since we as you know the audience know all what's going on it it actually kind of scraped by and the rest of our characters and Hebron annoyed and I don't know I can see that sort of road is not something that you build a show actors we only see John when Tahani has to earn something we only see Brent when what was it I guess eleanor has to earn something that the story is still moved mostly focused on they're all doing in this growing enough so that they can run on their own and we're not there yet if they did do it from that perspective we'd almost need it him and seeing him back to the freaking out about being in the good place the call back to that original night when he was freaking intermixing softer have you are you putting together a Spec to submit to the embassy redder stuff place I think that helps to yeah burly she's the most likeable of all but I can be soda in which we're seeing the Janu was really just Jason and having to keep that from the powers that be which seeing it from their perspective people were kind of again trying to tell her that she was going too far and she was listening to them I thought that they were kind of going to repeat that plotline again and she didn't and it's worked out so but I I really did like eleanor? Admitting at the end that she was torturing gays the blaze were we see him asking stuff from Janet and Intermix we see him being interrupted by eleanor and life that they already know this secret and they don't need to keep it but they do need torture him this is just me but I feel like it could have felt being in a bit so we got a different plotline instead of that same over again you know when when Jason is telling you you might be going too far you should really probably this one during cheap because it made her feel good which felt kind of like like there was the one thing I think it was in the second season when Michael finally admitted that he was in front of Chidi it worked itself out for that was that was really that was not planned you think I yeah I do not think that was planned the Michael did some debris nicer proposition within yeah he really did help eleanor out as things are falling apart and if it were the other way around a little bit did you guys think so too I liked this the seeing Jason as John You I think that's kind of always a fun thing I season he would have been very happy to let her indulge yourself into So what do we think about the little bit that we sleep on episodes where it you burp perspective of Cardi or some more character and you see how the main character it goes to the the issue of deja question of nature versus nurture he he doesn't have his memories and we only know he must've Turtur men when we just had it an episode two ago and I'm glad that they didn't go down that route that she thinks resolve themselves even with her over and you know feel like I don't know if that's like the ticking time bomb that I thought it was because she seems fine now Uttar Sheesh I just wanted to punch John in the face that was pretty great I think she's still seemed pretty stressed but kind of holding it in maybe I'm just imagining that feels like another disaster in the making and yet it didn't end up being kind of everything worked out even though both honey and seemed like they were I'm like Janet was more able to just have roll with the punches this week after being so stressed out she made a whole posh spice spa and didn't seem to complain about it got Janet this week and her new hair I liked Janet Tahani together that's right yeah they don't normally talk that much yeah so this was this is something different and also see a hell bent on on going the wrong route throughout so it was an interesting episode to to to experience that way I think eleanor did have a breakdown from everything she didn't seem happy per se but some of that might have been just bemusement at everything that Johnny was saying like you know listening to honey one but it's the guy that you could get on it makes me think of House for example it had that sort of soden which she is going to be having a complete breakdown but until then she she has to hold on because otherwise out to eleanor I yeah I must have for this role reversals that keep happening with Janu in you say she had to go through or thought about going through winter I think she said she dyed her hair changed her hair that was number eight and number thirty on every episode so it can have to be a little bit inconsistent until we're going to have the last the B living off paradise together in her head Janet and that's kind of the problem with the plotline that they wrote because by writing that she well she she was not a big fan of Mama Mia here we go again miss most of the same song yeah be going too smoothly and that's why the end happened the way it did because they kind of wrote themselves into improvement things looking up at least and so she gets a taste of the as well here but you know so that kind of halfway through the episode of thinking how are they going to other stuff being constructed constantly did anyone happen to write down but her break up items were I meant to didn't like what all the for the characters they talked about today I mean I didn't expect it to stay this way for very long so I'm not super surprised we see the grim early as looming and terrible as it seems right now we have seen them do this these endings this in which she's going to have to do stuff and she's going to have to push arsov beyond the limit but they can't help her break the breakdown torturing all of them with the trolley car the episode thing truly pro them because he wanted to get still made up achieved becoming nerlinger and becoming himself as well which is the end of the episode I was afraid with the other bits in the middle where kind of a full time job in itself sometimes them together to seem more like the break-up Janet's rather than the something was watching Mama Mia to here we go yeah and there was another one that she seemed too far or something like that reaper whatever that man is coming on the track do we get someone we've seen before I think it's not going to be we discovered that no she she actually has to do some effort and there's limits for capacity by doing that now their parents theirselves in iced the whole story can't be told we can't have learning without posher spas and not Omni powerful and that again do everything would have which is what we sort of assume until now and Tangere constantly in which it seems like everything is going to end or at the very least that there is a very big imminent threat and then they get to the beginning of is it okay no I was just thinking about what hobby years experience that's like unlucky mm-hmm I can say I've never seen that but I do get the joke so then are we of the overall impression that things flushes and it's nice that she finally figured it out and she got reminded that she wasn't all that nice person to it's it's always kind of interesting Asia but it's not going to be life threatening or Berlin or even people from the bad place it seems to me like it's going to be either a new the next step is resolved by the fifth minute so I think we're going to see that it's going to present a new situation go on for one more episode it would've felt too long I think the only thing they could explore is more simone and hers is different but if it was just let's let's keep rehabbing these new people than yeah I think that would get old pretty fast like you said so is there anything we haven't covered that you would like to oh like when I was on yeah could be one of them yeah I think if they had let the people improved and we don't necessarily want to keep seeing it over and over again in the same way so the fact that they're gonNA shake it up make sense but other than that again I mean there's Trevor Trevor if I want to see him again I think so switcheroo saying like in every cartoon I think I would be really mad if I found out it wasn't actually my goal these last two episodes interesting the the frog obsessed doorman yeah Mike o'malley I love that guy discussed before we get to jokes I don't think so good fairly simple episode as far as that goes there's just some big broad I've really liked his interactions with eleanor the other demons can imitate Michael that closely I'd be a little disappointed think about this mysterious cloaked person why do you think that they try to have cliffhangers Wa in the show and and with yeah I think it'd be fun if it was just an excuse to have some big guest star in the last season like if it's just someone like it is kind of Nice to have things that you don't know you don't know what's going to happen with people and you don't know how it's going to change things but yeah I mean they're not going to get the same episode like here's a brand new thing to think about John and then here's how we're going to run through it but the one thing that I felt was that they kind of you immediately organized like Oh that person must have just wanted to be on this show yeah it's gone I think that would be fun how about you Andrew What is that we got to talk about today so what would your favorite jokes of the episode I'm excited to hear Andrew's because I know he said it was a joke comedy right so they they would probably not go through things they can't endure but but that was kind of interesting yeah I think going on and this is just totally at the moment of his field but I think that they probably didn't want to have it Michael Well we never who was it was a Sarah was at your yeah I think your theory that Michael was not Michael repeated a couple of times so it became something of a Motif was that was the motorcycle and discuss that making the motorcycle and then Gd saying his motorcycle and then you know walking out of declaring because he didn't WanNa start a motorcycle then any of those plotlines of the improvements of people take up too much time because we have seen that before we saw that in the first season we live in the second season w wake that actor but I don't know if he wanted to Carter and Eddie as the random people from the bad place museum any of them you wouldn't match what we've seen from the demons acting on the first episode is there anyone who is in the bad place that we might want to see they gentleman back so the person in the handcart might be the other Michael raising I don't know how they would do that but and then that hole good well they're not going to torture people too much I think nick saying but I mean they are and they aren't right our characters will probably come through this is a fairly gentle degrees of of natural institute right sometimes they have to kind of event something at the end and sometimes it's something that an obvious follow up to stuff the tortoise saying to destroy the motorcycle and the bit that I wrote about was when he says you know oh no we're GonNa do the motorcycle and then you know that cheese is I guess maybe that he with the one that I really like the one that I thought I thought a lot of the jokes were kind of again kind of sit comey jokes like we were the stem around were more set him up and knock them down she called him superman with diarrhea thought that was pretty good I must have missed that one a big joke for this I loved the opening joke of collapsing I know I mentioned this before we started talking but I underdo way to to make things go because he's getting rid of something that he doesn't isn't actually the most important thing and then we cut to Jason going no aunt comes back when that happened at the end of one scene right where she was supposed to be there's something about I feel like that is just the appropriate goofy Michael Joke that he thinks he invented the word and that it's a mixture of Chidi and relaxed it's very mean but it's cartoony meal so it was kind of funny to handle the meals eh and he talks about how they were and everywhere on the big nick but they were helpful they carried wine glasses and photo napkins for US learned joke at the end there jason seeing the motorcycle club that scene of Chidi like walking the motorcycle really funny it felt like it went on for a long time but it was only a couple of seconds because my God him trying to walk that thing out just so embarrassing the the motorcycle goes way and yet not surprised because of course motorcycles that's what happens to motorcycles yeah I really I thought that was that it was a nice aw no wonder yes so much anxiety poor guy would give when he was first Joe Axing I guess he would to to celebrate that they had three CI crazy basically and and Michael was like tempering the mood of it and then cheery eh I liked Eleanor would she was talking to Jason saying you know we have to torture cheating Carr's into their room because he's having his big moment and so Michael then choose the answer way which is a. and but he was talking about being not useful use nece I think is what he said he needed to have some use nece that's right I thought another really good one was win eleanor was crying and Chidi is so freaked out because he made God cried ago Talker I feel like a lot of the interaction between Tahani in John is just a way for the writers to like talk about celebrities anymore but she said something something that John had done involved something CODA a discount hotel package that was in a goofy way like Natalie Portman and Timothy Shallow May and Daniel Day Lewis mean we're they're gonNA throw those jokes but you're to have lighter fluid into the engine she says was that someone you and Jason Says Yep which is another joke that the there's something about the way that Michael Says texting when people should be driving like it's not a joke it's to me it felt like there was another joke that made that one payoff but they ended up being the cutting floor so oh and I forget how he worded it it they lifted from the simpsons the or at least it's so similar so when distance talking about how his motorcycle exploded because he that he was supposed to be celebrating but Michael sent away the the ants with the wine did remember remember that yeah I didn't quite get that eleanor one instead where homer says to marge somebody want to change baby's diaper purchase that's somebody you homer it's an awful thing to say but it's Kinda funny that you find a way to make that name that we just noticed symbol name into a slurred too I think maybe that's just where his mind goes when somebody asks for help maybe he was the guy on earth that was strong enough to open the peanut butter jar yes you Jamila Djamil Ruby nail making that sound like something she had never heard of before so that was funny aw another kind of terrible and was the poshest spa being based on a wait and wealth issue gain it's kind of three to four are on the glide path I didn't really buy Brent's though well it's we don't have to see him anymore I think so cute also CGI budget for this week rock thing with your work in the air a this is just going to depend on where how they wanna go where they need to go because they need to get all four people succeeding or have some way around that might've been hearing someone making a request to open a peanut butter jar in his ad and so I thought Janet Steph bleeding over onto him with the knitted didn't go in this I mean I feel like the odd person out here because I kind of think that with the number of episodes that they have this season how few of them there are that this one didn't really accomplish Salat and that I kind of thought they'd be packing more in but I don't know I I can be convinced it is only the third episode and we tend to have a few slower ones and then pack a bunch in mid season and then again at the end so thank I'm okay with it still I guess it was kind of a joke but Jason's whole thing about them needing help with the peanut butter jar at the beginning when they came to ask him for help and he's like where's the happened than in these last episode so I don't know I think it's pretty and they got brench kind of in decent space lashed episode fail at making one better or something like that how how does 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COVID and Big Pharma

America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed

28:18 min | 1 year ago

COVID and Big Pharma

"Talk America's Cova Dental has now surpassed every other country on earth and president. Donald Trump continues to talk about opening up our economy. Farmers and food suppliers are dumping food to protect prices. This is America dissected. And I'm your host Dr Abdul El-Sayed Roxie Chloroquine is one of the oldest drugs available. It's a synthetic form of quinine. The stuff in Tonic. Water long used as an anti malaria medication in the US. It's mainly used to treat patients with dangerous autoimmune disorders such as lupus rheumatoid arthritis. These diseases aren't only deadly. They're terrible the body literally. Attacks itself and symptoms can happen at anytime anywhere. The word lupus itself derives from the Latin word for wolf a nod to the cunning and deadliness of the disease interfered invokes Lubis disproportionately affect women in particular women of color people who are already less likely to have access to healthcare in our society as a function of structural racism and the poverty it causes which we discussed on Friday. As president trump recklessly promoted hydroxy chloroquine from the White House podium. He said something that captures the challenge that so many people are having right now and I say what do you have to lose? I'll say to get. What do you have to lose? Take it I really think they should take it well for the people at risk of losing to the medication that keeps lupus. Wolf at bay. They have a lot to lose. My name is becky human. I'm currently for your student at Harvard. Law School other than that. I don't know what's relevant. I'm a chronic illness patient. I have an autoimmune disease. And I've been taking hydrochloric win four. Oh going on for years now I started taking it in December twenty six. I tried to get my prescriptions refilled in advance as the CDC kind of advise people to try and refill your prescriptions. In case you need to stay home I was unable to because my insurance doesn't allow me to refill prescriptions in advance. I have to be out before I can. Refill MY PRESCRIPTIONS. And a lot of my friends in the area also autoimmune diseases and take drugs clerk win. Started telling me. I've spent all morning calling and trying to find someone who will refill my prescription like I was hearing stories at some pharmacies. Were contacting doctors or you know. Just not filling them automatically unless they got real actual proof that you needed it for something. I ended up having to call my rheumatologist directly. Which isn't something. That's very easy. You know I was able to talk to her and she was able to order me a new prescription to a local pharmacy that I had called her on and found that they would be able to refill my prescription. She had to include specialized notes. Saying this is for legitimate reason. I think the thing. That's really scary. Yeah is just that for a lot of autoimmune patients for a lot of chronic illness patients the drug cocktail that you have to take to keep your condition. Stable is so finely tuned like down to the milligram. And you can't just stop taking something like it. It just can lead to really permanent consequences for people and his new evidence is showing. There may be more to lose for people with covert nineteen thought as well because it's been around so long we have a good sense of the potential side effects of Hydroxy corwin include psychiatric effects vision loss and Heart Arrhythmia. But because we just don't know much about cove nineteen in general we know even less about the side effect profile of hydroxy chloroquine and people with covert. In fact in Sweden. Some hospitals have stopped using hydroxy chloroquine for covered nineteen altogether because of the severity of the side effects and Francis version of the FDA published data showing at least forty three incidents of serious cardiac side effects. There officials think that there may be higher risk of heart side effects in patients with covert nineteen in Brazil a study was prematurely ended because there was such a high rate of these side effects. I'll leave it. In the words of Dr Anthony Fauci we operate on evidences and data is so although there is some suggestion that there is a benefit there. I think we've got to be careful that we don't make that majestically to assume that this is a knockout drug. All this gets back to something even more fundamental that I've been saying from the very beginning. Science and only science can tell us what is safe ineffective as a treatment for covert nineteen. I hope that we find a safe and effective treatment soon. I wish we'd found it two months ago but hope is not evidence hope is biased and science should not be until we've got strong randomized controlled trial evidence about the safety and efficacy of hydroxy chloroquine. Doctor I mean president. Trump should stop promoting it for folks like Becca. There is indeed a lot to lose. There's another drug which is showing potential for treatment of cove in nineteen a paper published over the weekend in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests some promise but we're still waiting definitive randomized controlled trial evidence but this drug raises another question who pays for drug development and who profits off of it if you remember back to our episode on Drug Pricing in the first season of this podcast we talked about another treatment for a deadly infectious disease. So Foster Bouvier the blockbuster. Hepatitis C. Drug sold this evolve under a cost of eighty four thousand dollars. A course that absurd price meant that a lot of people who needed it didn't get it well. The same corporation that manufactures evolving Gilead Sciences there. The pharmaceutical company that owns this new promising. Covert nineteen. Medication Will Gilead Gouge taxpayers for this drug to and what's to stop them all of this points to an even bigger question. There's been a lot of talk about developing a vaccine for cove in nineteen and more than a hundred and fifteen candidate. Vaccines are in the pipeline from several different pharmaceutical companies. But what happens when one comes to market? Who Own it. How much will it cost will set the price? Will we be able to manufacture enough? And how fast I spoke with Zane Ras v Along Policy Researcher at Public Citizen Consumer Advocacy Organization to learn more. That conversation. 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Thanks for having me. I'm though can you give us a lay of the land about how a vaccine is made the key part is. How do we get a response? So typically the way of vaccine works is that you you try and figure out how to develop an antigen that produces a response in the body. So when you're talking about a biological response in the body exactly immune system want the immune system to respond and so typically that's how the process works. One of the interesting things about this moment is that there are a lot of different ways that we're trying to get that anti and so what? I mean is typically you know. Sometimes you have like a portion of the like a inactivated virus itself but a lot of new technologies. They're even looking at. Let's go a step further and let's get into the MRI let's get into the DNA. Let's get those Into the vaccine instead of. Actually you know injecting someone. With the antigen protein that causes an immune system response. You basically just put the code into the body. You'll let the body's own operating system developed that antigen and then that antigen creates The body's response which we want. Which are these antibodies So you're you're using the genetic information of the virus to create some of the the the virus itself in the body and then the body attacks virus after it's being made exactly exactly. Wow so tell us a little bit about the economics and the finance of how a vaccine usually comes to market so basically these new methods of producing vaccines were very considered. Very speculative industry. Really WanNa go near them. It was considered too complex too risky and so government stepped in so the Department of Defense. Has this cool. New Program called Darpa which is a defense advanced research products agency. I believe and Darpa poured in a ton of money thinking that you know typically way vaccine is made takes too long. And so how can we? How can you speed up the process? How can we get a vaccine As quickly as possible and so then they started. They started investing a ton of money into things like these. Dna IN RN. A vaccine technologies. They're called platform technologies and so Darpa starts making this investment of course. That's that's our taxpayer. Money going into this investment and now I presume that these vaccines are being researched and developed by by companies by corporations. No it's not that simple. It's always the federal government is playing a huge role in whatever the companies are doing and so we did a report Right around when the covert outbreak was really starting to spread in the US and we found that up until that point the federal government had devoted significant resources to developing technologies the candidates the methods of addressing corona viruses. You know one thing to keep in mind is that you know SARS covy to which is the technical term for this. Virus is new. But we've had co viruses jump from animals to humans before we've had SARS in two thousand and two and so we've had prior experience with these viruses and we've been trying to work and one of the remarkable things I found was that the federal has really led the way in our tax dollars. Have really lead the way In how we address these viruses. So let's say we find a candidate vaccine. That is safe effective. How does that vaccine actually get to us who manufacturers it and who pays it and who gets the money on the back end the issue is that the federal government has really scaled up all its contracts. All it's Attention to developing cove in nineteen response. And so you know. The government is providing literally hundreds of millions in some cases of dollars these companies to allow them to scale up not just a research and Development. Like right now. The government is funding research and development but the government is also providing a ton of money to scale up manufacturing facilities. And the reason this is important is because we need massive production so we've got a population of three hundred fifty million and to achieve the kind of herd immunity that we need. We need fifty to sixty percent of the population to be to be vaccinated. Meaning at that point. We need Probably right around one hundred seventy five million one hundred ninety million vaccines manufactured. Is that possible to do in a short period of time? You know it's tough. It's really tough because right now. They're they're four major form of companies that have the production capacity to develop vaccines at at really at scale and the problem is some of the candidate. Vaccines that we're hearing about Don't actually have any partnerships with the major pharmaceutical companies. So for example you might have heard a lot about the NIH modern vaccine. This is using some of that really new technology. I was talking with MRE stuff in February. Tony was complaining about how no major pharmaceutical company has stepped up and said that if this new vaccine is successful we will scale it and we will produce it enough in enough quantities for for for the US and for the world. The incentives are all messed up. If you think about you know if you think about it putting your company hat on your primarily driven by profit public health is always a second consideration and so the issue is that no company has the incentive to scale up production capacity. No no company has any reason to fully address this threat despite its global consequences and despite the global nightmare situation that we're in and what does that. Tell us about the way that this sort of for profit. A pharmaceutical industry operates more. Generally what the risks are cove in nineteen outbreak is showing how all of our institutions are vulnerable and broken. And I think no more so than our healthcare system as you look at the pharmaceutical industry. You'll see that you know some. Some players are stepping in. But there's a real tepid nece into how engaged companies are and once again. What you see is the fundamental role of the federal government and driving meaningful. You know the NIH alone in since two thousand and two had spent seven hundred million on Corona Virus Research and development and basically supported the vast majority of work that was going on prior to the outbreak. And now with the outbreak another division of Health and Human Services called BARDA has just taken over and pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into these companies to get them to start doing things So we've got a scenario right now as you're laying out ZANE Very helpful where the the. Us Federal Government is putting a lot of money on the front end into research and development for these really novel Vaccine Techniques. And then you've got a couple of small biotech firms who are taking that research and effective you have to get manufactured but the only the only institutions that are big enough to manufacture them tend to be these gigantic pharmaceutical corporations but for them a one time investment in a huge rollout for this vaccine just doesn't make economic sense and so you know the government sort of investing in all this research but then all of the back end side is private and getting in the way in my understanding that correctly. I would say so. We need all hands on deck effort and despite what industry is trying to convey in this sexy. Pr and marketing campaigns. It's clear that there is not an all hands on deck effort right now and that's really troubling. You think that you know. Major pharmaceutical corporations realized that this is a Put up or shut up moment where everybody should be deciding that they're going to be a part of his Co. vague response. But you're seeing you know at the same time they're just saying look the the Prophet margin Russia's doesn't make any sense and so maybe not the the question I have is. Is there a possibility for government to compel these pharmaceutical companies to manufacture this vaccine? If we get one and we needed out there they're certainly mechanisms under law. And so you know you've heard a lot of discussion. Recently about the Defense Production Act which allows the Federal Government? Coordinate the response to install equipment to get companies to prioritize certain kinds of contracts the government also actually has some manufacturing capacity itself the setup for Public Private Partnerships Around twenty twelve. Because they realized that this could be a significant issue. Unfortunately they haven't been able to scale up those production facilities in the way that is needed for this response. But there's still time So let's let's think through for a second so we get to the point where seventeen eighteen months from. Now we have a vaccine and we have to make a choice about getting it out. What is the fastest that we could get enough vaccine out right now if all hands were actually on that could we? Could we get it out in a month or would take several months? It's really hard to say the issue is that for some of these technologies like the MRI vaccine. You know. We've taken them far. But we've never taken this far and so while we know how to make them in small quantities. There's a ton of work that still needs to be done to figure out. How do we actually scale this up? Production how do we get ready to mass produce as vaccine like right? Now we don't have we basically have very limited capacity on producing these mini vaccines. Which are some of the more promising ones that are there are advancing in very early clinical trials? I've heard that there are. There are old vaccines that we've used for other viruses that are now being tested for safety and efficacy for the prevention of of covert nineteen and. We know they're safe. So you know. Really just focused on efficacy. Let's say that one of those panned out and you know it's not the perfect drug. It's not as sexy or or novel as these vaccines are What if it was just about mass producing this old this old kind of vaccine for a new purpose? What would that look like in? Who would pay for that in? Who would make money off the back end? Well you know again. I wouldn't want to speculate too much. On what actually out. And how will go about doing it? But it's clear that if some of the older technologies we've used to produce vaccines were employed. It'd be easier to scale up production capacity you know not just here in the US but globally as well because we do have some of that capacity we do have some of that infrastructure in place but a key issued a highlight. Here is that it's not just the production capacity. That's a barrier. You know it's also the system that we've developed allows these companies to get monopolies on these vaccines on these treatments and so the effectively monopolies prohibit other companies from joining in unless they agree unless they come to some sort of agreement with the company itself. And that's a huge problem So what you're saying. Basically is that when we give a patent out for a drug it gives a single corporation monopoly and so all of this research that the taxpayers in this country paid for Then the money side of it gets held by one corporation who basically can throttle the supply of this thing at will exactly and it's and it's and it's so troubling because these are our medicines paid hundreds of millions of dollars over the years in developing these technologies in developing these medicines and it should be obvious that they should be available to US instead. What happens is we give these companies monopolies on our medicines with almost no strings attached and this has super troubling implications not just for supply but also for price. And how does that shape into the price? Well if you give a company a monopoly they have the power to set the price and people understand this right. People understand that there is a drug pricing crisis in this country. That has been going on long before the Kovac nineteen outbreak you know three in ten Americans report rationing their medicines and a large part of that is because we let pharmaceutical corporations set whatever price they want and we say nothing. So you're imagining a scenario. Potentially right in again. It's hard to speculate but potentially given the way we've set up our pharmaceutical pricing and supply system where Darpa Barda have invested a huge amount of our taxpayer dollars into understanding This vaccine doing the research and development on the front end and then you have a corporation on the back end that now owns the intellectual property and either throttles the supply or sets the price so high that we as taxpayers are forced to pay again. So there's a there's sort of an insulin in access problem where you know ineffective because of all this They're going to be people who can't get the vaccine simply because it's owned by one company that could be a very real possibility and you know the companies will say. We're not going to do this. You know it's a pandemic we understand but that logic is very insulting you know because you've been saying you're committed to access and affordability but what have you been doing for the past decade. You know. We have people in this country who are dying because they can't act as insulin. You know we. We have an HIV epidemic. That is not being curbed because TRAVIATA. Prep was at ahead a list price of twenty four hundred dollars a month. You know what what makes you think that these companies who have been price-gouging us for decades are suddenly going to turn around and in this situation be like. Oh yeah you know we're working on Providence non-profit basis and we'll we'll make sure did to to supply everyone at an affordable price if what we have seen from the companies in the past is any indicator of how access and price and supply is going to turn out. We're going to have massive problems not just in this country but globally as well. We could have a unprecedented moral catastrophe. Where a few countries supply a few countries are able to get the supply and the rest of the world is completely shut out. And you see the virus just spreading unchecked. I want to think about now. What are the solutions like? How do we fix this? Why are we so vulnerable? And what should we be doing about it? The good news is that these are all choices where making and so we can make different choices. There's really three things that we need to prioritize. One is that there should be no monopolies on any Kobe. Nineteen treatment or vaccine you know. Some companies are actually stepping up. Some drug companies have relinquished their monopoly rights and have allowed generic competition to to in supply in some in some cases and if the companies don't do that then the government should step in the government has the inherent authority to use patents to break monopolies and to allow generic competition and to allow suppliers. The government should do that one two. We need to massively skill up production so that means pouring much more money into scaling up both the public private production facilities and also getting the pharmaceutical companies in line to get ready for these treatments and Vaccines. Ideally want to treatment or vaccine is proven effective issue. Be available to everyone world as soon as possible but right now we have. We're going to have time gaps. We're GONNA have time legs and we don't want any of that and so we need to be getting ready to for a situation in which we have the treatments and vaccines stockpiled waiting. Ready to go ready to be deployed as soon as we fit configure out if they are safe and effective and a third thing. We need is global cooperation. You Know President. Trump has made some pretty horrible remarks about the World Health Organization and the World Health Organization is certainly not without its flaws but a key element of this crisis is that it is a global crisis. Nobody really knows where the tree back seen will come from you. Know countries around the world are spending millions of dollars for research and development. What we need is a global system that allows companies and countries to share knowledge to share manufacturing. Know How to to work together to be able to address this common challenge. I really really appreciate you taking the time To break that down for us and help us to understand How the system works and what. The potential dangers and traps look like. How are you spending this moment? what is what is what is your Quarantine life look like. I work on these issues day in day out and it still hasn't really hit me yet. I'm looking at what is going on and what the world could be and it just it's it's terrifying but the full scale of the crisis really still has not hit me and I think part of it is. I've been doing a lot of reflecting this crisis. The key question asks of US is who we consider disposable. We're making choices right now. That could shave. The lives of billions of people and none of these choices are inevitable. None of these paths or the natural way we decide you know in the past. We've chosen disastrously the global AIDS epidemic. That is still going on and we let millions of people die because of the high price of medicines. I've been really just trying to think about. Are we capable of making that same mistake again? Is that the path that we WANNA go. Are we going to face another moral catastrophe? And I just I I. I hope we don't I hope we don't well. I really really appreciate Your leadership in this moment in making sure that we don't and Thank you for joining us today and And for laying out Rizvi. Thank you so much. Thanks so much as usual on our way out. I want to tell you what I'm watching right now. Cove in nineteen is having a major impact on the American Food Supply. Restaurants and caterers are a major source of food consumption and without them. Food demands falling through the floor. Meanwhile cove in nineteen is making factory operations and shipping nearly impossible. The result dairy farmers are leading milk flow down the drain and major meat supplier. Just shut its doors. What will the consequences of Cova nineteen be for the US foods? That's it for today. We'll see you on Friday with another update if you'd like to support organizations leading the fight to support our most vulnerable during this pandemic donate Crooked Media Corona Virus Relief Fund at crooked dot com slash corona virus. America dissected is a product of crooked media our producer Austin Fisher. Steven Hoffman is our senior producer. Charles Landis Mixes and Masters The show production support from territory and Sydney wrap. The theme song is by Takayasu is our and Alex. Aguirre our executive producer is Sarah Gardner. And I'm your host soccer Abdul El-Sayed. Thanks for listening.

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Cheltenham Festival 2019 Ante Postcast: JCB Triumph Hurdle | JLT Novices' Chase

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Cheltenham Festival 2019 Ante Postcast: JCB Triumph Hurdle | JLT Novices' Chase

"Follow party power on Snapchat. The username is the Patty power, and we promised that wouldn't be any boring. Snaps about gigs. The weather all the gym. Hi, Scott on muddy plow joining Dave Wilson were in green again rocking. The green also got Paul Keeley in place at Tom Siegel. Who's not here? He's off on his jollies and Darren Hughes from potty power as well this week. We're covering the triumph photo on the jail. T- novices chase to really exciting racist. But this sort of the form of the MRs happening a bit weird. Isn't it? Dave. Yeah. I guess well in the bay we've got a clear market leader. And it looks like that could even get even shoulder we have a few defections, and if that's the case EP AB standing out wouldn't knee Ceric. So and with the jail, it's because of who's going to turn up. I think we're getting a bit be clearer idea about that now. Yeah. Yeah. We are very much sort of favorites in the top end of the market. It seems like they're both in to have a little bit Darren we'll go over to you on some news on the number. No bets from potties you have. That's right, Mattie. So as of last Friday, we went none one or no bash on every race the fast food for twenty nineteen. So big news in the industry yet. Fabulous could be very very helpful in the coming weeks. Now, we'll get cracking with the B Trump huddle in Sarah gray strong favor after winning the spring juvenile hurdle. Darah yet. That's right. He's a seventeenth favored at the moment. And second favourite is a stabilizing factor. Dude. Dairies third favourite is also may bind about law. Tens pick door. He then for Paul nNcholas attend to one tiger tap tap is eleven's gardens a bubble on his twelve torpedo is twelve fourteen bear excellent. Now K was not fest. What do you think of Sarah? Do you think he's the right price? Now, given what he did the Dublin racing festival. I'm not one hundred about what points. It was overseas. It did look look very very good. Didn't they you know, the way if you wanted to devise a vice to make a horse. It was as good as he was on the flat. Look like a superstar. Then you did not wanna Leopardstown because they just gave him in such an easy time. They he went so slow you wouldn't believe the the other two mall vase on the car. If they if you run at the same time the winner that would have been a hundred yards cliff Sarah Gardner, the second loss. It just seemed to me that he was just given a freebie now on his on his debut. It didn't he could jump particularly. Well, nervously didn't have that jump in put under pressure in the grandma's, files, etc. And but still he's a wholesome stratovarius less than three lengths ask. So you can't really argue is light in -bility. He's overly built that Betsy and you have to be afraid of him. Plus, the fact that you know, the the the Cheltenham charleena winner Facundo Davies has been pulled by JP, Madison. Probably almost you to go for the supreme now. Yeah. Indeed choices fight broin Heald's the key to well quite a fee races. You think the Malton pipe plenty of these cross over into that Luigi thing. Luigi thing we've seen some messy races over there and all on that whole weekend. Other pulls alluding to the other big hurdle. For example, it was everything with with the jumps rail dig and easily didn't eat ping, not lost. He absolutely flew that. And he was stretching away listening spread to practically a monster. As he could just be the best most from the flat to go huddling, and sometime he reminds you bathed defeats destroy I suppose that we've got clear one. Yeah. It's it's a case of what's going to turn off against in fact. Today's polls rice is surely go for the supreme as naming JT's. Go champagne, platinum or whatever it is about. I think the the phone which is a little bit questionable. He's sixteen to one show. Otherwise, he's not showing the rice. He did that of course with up inaugural as a four year old. Just short. But you know, how good he was. Yeah. Indeed, Ceric, it's usually the sort of top trial in our in. Dr Darren sort of can you seem beaten as one of the real Irish bankers. He's the sexiest profile NS in the race. I think he was a top class flat horse. And it's interesting, actually, he's not been gelded. So I don't know if the intend to send him to still or the intend to send them back on the flat tire say. Papers right favorite. But for me. He's just way too short. I agree. One hundred percent with Paul. He had thrown of the race dot day and efforts tone, his jumping did definitely improve and everything else. But as policy he had he had their own atoms ever gonna make them look unbelievable. It was the room. He had dot race. I suppose the positives. Are he jumps well in the new course shell them as the stamina test with suit him Bush, just not for me at the price. Unfortunately. Yeah. I know jas Brian said, well, we didn't really have time to go, Tim, if we would have, you know, a little bit more time, but he says he's attitudes perfectly fine. Everything else. Like not. If there is a whole to pick him on just about covered it pulls go back and look that Leopardstown maiden when he was held up a bit more. He didn't jump. Well, it so so that would be that'd be of some concern. If you're going in what price can get to if you know if Unwin fuck here defects, short Caen. Yeah. Just he narrowly beat target's up top that day who will remain Shen. I'm just a bit further. Down. But for dude URI, obviously when it Cheltenham has been bought by JP as q said, he looked impressive that Willie run a Willie go to the supreme. What do you think? Do you think they sort of going to split them up goes cream? You have to remind the type of mine is also as bible on. Who I think is value in the child boy? But also as that one in there, and he doesn't have a strong hand is dive you mentioned full. The supreme fact dailies ran to a rice, of course, writing of a hundred and four seven that makes much better going into the rice than any other horse inviting the supreme as a foia out since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine I know people might might blink Kapit and say hang on a minute average to be but not get but don't get it. I'm Yvonne to one hundred and thirty eight going into the racin. And in fact, he does runs a hundred and four hundred and forty seven you give him the eight pound allowance. He's actually way clear on mice impose ratings full the supreme oversee we've got horses still lightly. Raced in have for hurdle to on those. We don't know whether that it'd be done. But at the moment, if affect you does what he would be taught right by quite some way on Mason perseverance for DC. Pre imagine that. There we go. Not jolly the two who'll sepia Cheltenham, do you think they'll strong form? I'm I'm not so sure. But you can't argue with the way he did it gives. I mean have to be when you win by Levin lens. I think all the British horses. We've seen vibration, whoever's going to drive is rich, and this is less try by pool Nichols and has run in Britain. And that's picked oil, which we'll talk about later. But, but you know, that's that's the that's the point. You know, what I mean the British British soldiers so good from what we've seen now. I think that thing anything's excited. Anybody over here. Even before the the start doing what they were doing. So. Yeah, I would say that. I would I would say that Joe pride will win will almost certainly win the huddle case we with. No, you you like taking a sniper's English. I mean, what's your opinion on fuck editor, he's achieved comfortably the most edit on your horse in this field. As far as I'm concerned agree. Appalling yet, look he was so impressive that I stay on the fact that he beat one agilis as I'd say that means they have a good handle on the farm. Assume all this entire conversation is academic reckoning will end up going to to supreme. And it would probably actually be a hint toward ceramics chances. If possible going to the Trillium for this latte and leave the triumph to Ceric. If that makes sense because I think this would be a penalty kick for soccer diaries of showed up. I have to say that obviously they went into the Trump we've been cure a few years ago because I had to shoot push favorite and the trial from that one. Go beat friendship hippy bus list. You halo. So there's always what. Okay. We'll move on then to bond of outlaws. Now, he wouldn't at Nacer over the weekend. Really really impressive. I'm not sure they're wanting him to be quite impressive though. Dave. One more run in the Fred vinter. I suppose if you're looking at it like that he was quite interesting at for the spring because he takes a of boxes being, you know, decent on the flight and like in the ground quite impressive. When you wanna limit? It wasn't a week. We've given him a rising, right. You want to nine for that the weekend on Saturday and straightaway JJ sledding who wrote it was off his back. And he said, basically Aintree it just came out. Maybe we'll keep him for entry. We don't know. So that was thought I was attending lawn chance. Would you give him if he turned up? I mean, it depends what the ground would be us oppose. If they went hammer and tones would he pick up the pieces if they went slow, you know, he can sprint. It's all about getting on the hill. He's seven fellow malls. But he's already showing these days. Well, so I you know, what to do them. Okay. Coz, it was a bit of a messy racy beat the the five Knief. Oh, but he did it impressively. He does look to me how many NGOs super earnings by fast company. You know, if you're a normal triumph, a normal to be honest. But if you get one of those reasons we strongly on the east coast stamina test, isn't it? And I might wonder I mean that was a that was a steadier amazing go turn the furs. And so he might well be mostly to our injury and Darren. Yeah. I don't know have any VC in his hurdling debut. Dunkirk have never seen a horse worse. Joe or jump were sorry in my entire life. Please go back much funniest thing. I've ever seen. He still only beating the linked on. He's improved a tones insane. This for me would be razor him and Chad them, especially the new course wouldn't be wouldn't be his bag either. I wouldn't say I'd be inclined to leave them off to entry. Mentioned briefly because we've not seen him in this country is picked or he decent in fronts. Puna goes by all accounts is pretty impressed with him. I think he said he's going to go straight there now. So we won't see him until the day. But darn you've seen a lot of support from in recent days. Yeah, we have an interesting few Quinton from from very respected sources that I don't know. I don't know about like my shocker listeners, both I'm not particularly cultured fellow. And I know I know about as much about the French foreign because I do, but French wine, which is sweet damn all after respect the source guess, and you know, imagining you make debut in the Donaldson. We know a lot more about him after that. I couldn't tell anyone's gonna take ten New York. We haven't seen. Cao's? I'm sure you could tell down a lot more about some some French wine. You can get them spayed. Couldn't you. I don't know anything about one. How quick can drink it? That's. The the white wine connoisseur. Becoming very partial to it. But doesn't may not know anything about it. And I'm gonna I'm not much of a ruled. Picked. He's very interesting. I didn't realize he was gonna go straight Oviously. He's run six times. I heard who's never been out of I who the folding this phone Vigors actually the chase. He has been running in the best races in France. As far as we can tell you know, what can we tell them? What we probably knows. This is this is building up into a fairly decent trial. But think there were who'll she's ov- interested other than Eric. I think Barillon looks like an outstare to me. And I thought he did really really well finish second Eric because he just go out paced that they didn't go to see wants another for a much stronger. Vice and guarantee you he'll be closer to ceramic than they was lost time, and he will not be out of frame because he loves it the English the English rubbish. And there isn't that much else in there? So he's the one from each race sixteen to one thing. I think that's a crazy person just being. Full it allows six winners of combat that's been juvenile hurdle. Three of the last four reverse form of the winter. And you know, the first two in the race I to in the tribe last year wouldn't surprise happened again. He was not messing around this skipping straight his selection. Dave pick Dory any quick sauce. And then what were you with a horse going straight to the try? He's run I've offensive. He's got loads of experience. I'm I'm supposed to have that Nicholson of these guys destroy that you thought you Don his more than the poor goes over. Maybe we'll talk to know, isn't it? But there's oversee Nichols has been a most of these French source. You know? Fred winter or drawing forgets doc under the likes. I really what to do with him. So. Talking to be with them. And so going Bob on is interesting kills and they because if you go back to that be done on the fly Leopardstown lost April. He was actually favor odds-on to pizza Eric when he was beating a couple things one that was really background. He you know, he's bought Camelot. He comes from the same selection lawn as Eric he you know, he he wasn't a toll. So by the way, it was run you have to think is going to be a fifth straight. So. Yeah. Absolutely. See? Net guns Babylon as well darn we'll go back over to you some of those on the list target top top nearly Ceric on his first run over hurdles to appeal. Yo, you know, he's been in fatty continuing say fall, but we'll see beaten cool, sublime know a few people like him as well as call a p. Aggie on some more. After that. What do you reckon? So just torching a coupla. Those there tiger tap tap for me. He's exposed is not good enough to beat Ceric at this stage. And if I'm the poses Erica have to post. I tiger tap tap. I don't see we can possibly overturn the farm. And for me anyone. I think he's a poor price to do. So Kyle Raggi. I know for fact, they thought this was a proper machine on the flash. Like, they thought this was going to be there horse, and I was just didn't work. He disappointed massively won't even Leopardstown went off the boil after Ron respectively and often the stubby just looking at his hurdling debut. I'd say he's a bit of a mess or he the proper look around after jumping the last clear like I mean, a proper look around again and something might encourage people to go back and watch and Donny Molins really had to get serious with them. And he was so weak in the America that day. So that would to me say that he's going to have a tone of improvement. But you would obviously like to see him again, and the one I've come down on the one that I really fancy for this is as course, ably massive of this lot. He be sold in France and his flat maiden. Which obviously looks excellent form. Now, he'll handle most ground to think Elliott has said he'll run them on anything that isn't an extreme. And I think he has tones improvement to come. I don't think he's been ridden property asked. Like, I think if you look back at his race and ferry house if Brian Cooper had his time again he'd amid far more use when he was just tough for told that day, and I think he was going to win his race that persona Christmas as well for me strongly role triumph on a properly. Stiff track on decent. Ground is going to be brilliant conditions for him and does his biggest twenty years in place. And that's that for me is massive massive value. Okay. Well, we can't talk about this Wraith, really. And not mention cowardice STAN because he's four out of five sort of does his racing very unimpressively date. But he gets the job done. Any finds plenty when he needs to again like Daffy destroy a couple years ago. He's won the same sort of raises. The interesting thing about him the hunting Cappos rice about one full one. But he's yet to run anywhere near you. Do see that when these three rows go into handicaps way up the muscle Isabel. But he he I mean a jolly didn't do. Four much good today. He's with he only just doesn't or no he's lockable sort of fourth chaos. What do you make cow Destin? Is he one of those do you still think we know where you're right with him? And you wanna find something at a big price by he's a price book. These guy in. But I don't think he's beating very much and he's just no good enough. You see that's similar that. He's not going to be good enough. They were going to be a horse in him in. He's got. I'm out of a hundred and four six and that means he's going to be in the wilderness for year next year, cause he's got no chance of winning the handicap off really want to if he goes up in trip. I just can't see just don't think he's that good. The the one was interesting most as we've discussed it is call over athletes jumping was very very good until the loss when he wondered around and that might just be greenness. I mean companies and the couple of on the fly as make so that would that would be the one that would interest me, but you know, as you would want to see him again. And but yeah, now, I'm interested hill destined not interested into appeal who has absolute rubbish, very very bad ground and eastern five from getting that. Day was so jolly was the best. That's why they ran are jolly in. It a chip star. Roger. So I mean, yeah, hey might be a very good os problem. Beating what he's beating them bombs grand at Sandown nothing. Like they worked in face chip Cheltenham. If it's if it's a dry ish ring. But it was interesting when they reopened that Bouvard their prep. He was actually interested in the end. It was just an interesting the war running. He's that good. Yeah. Again, like, we'll see Don is absolutely nothing. So you just have to take down on faith thirty loads of wholesome all these days. What was I there is interesting was easing? It could be caught strong triumph for me to get you guys best bets one win and one of the bet Dave Ohka to you first or not going to take on this fathered. I think I think he probably will win are concern. He say the gardens of Babylon stupid fries fanfare or destroy for Tom George should have won on his loss on White's Hussein. Although I was pretty good effort and deformed before that's looking okay. Again, Hodson winning it both way more run into applause. Okay. Very interesting over to you next. Yeah. Of course, it blame is going to be my main bet they do think that's very could be higher beaten. He's just he's too short for me. And if it was having an each way bet and the race probably caliber Aggie provided. He does commotion run again. Okay. I'm very interested in him book cables, I think I'm with you. We gone Bob alone. I think there's plenty of improvement there. Just refreshes who you'll selections on? Would pick out the Babylon. I'm interested to see where I'm collar barrage. But I think odds Beverly cracking each way bet she'll sticking with him. We'll move on to the jail t. No, MRs chase just after this break success ain't turned its board. That's why Poti power we pay the big bucks for the best in the world to develop our new fastest ever app. Download the new app on the app store or place Donau eighteen plus begun to. Okay. Welcome back to this Cheltenham ante-post cast moving onto the jail t- novices chase. Now a racist. Got a bit a stick in the last couple of years, Dave, but it's throwing but for notices her recalling up for this. So is a decade ago or whatever and ever since it says actually turned up once again, it's labeled as a race to start between troops if you'd like. And it's because of who turns up every it's usually always an open race in an open market until the week before. At least again, we gained some shade. Now with Elvin Coen yet, we are deputy sui on the screen behind us. A think he's favorite currently Darren just give us a rundown of the prices, you're dead release using DJ. So he's three to one favor the muddies and actually fairly open race top. The game is four to one second five Larsen. Translation is ninety two Lubega was sixty one clash cover sevens. Lewisburg sevens. Does work aids real estate tens and we are interested in top of the game four to one. There thought you might go for the essay. But maybe not if he's pretty strong in that market nano bet money. That's the only thing. Okay. Let's start off with defeat soy then lost in translation beaten in the Dipper. But then he got his revenge time this silly house. I've just a weekend to call them on how I think not form is pretty good. I think he's quite fast deputy destroyed. There was a proved when winning Metron fits Phillips's done a great job with him. And I think you'd have a good chance in an article or something like that. But obviously, he's proven over this trip. Now, Dave Toffler burgers. That's for sure. Is Trump wins out? She worked. Okay. Not so about how it wasn't. It's on you have to go back to the fifth of five when he on Lal. The November means jumped terribly and then out in not freaky exits a rice in the team for the alcoholism said before on these calls off to go into Dipa. Yep. Is a rice where you know says can often rumble at John if don't win over salesman. Disappointing say mountain tacky ground. I've the same awful that sells if you look down the rest of previous what is nearly every single one of them goes for the jailed say, and you'd be amazed after the race book came out, and then when he didn't know Shaw cliff if that wasn't the case of him up in the jail pubs in CVS lost weight said as much as well. So yeah, I listen, I think he's really hard to knock. What sort of price would he be that would be the key? But I'm not sure macoute losses, I suppose. Okay. Steffi to soy what you make of him. Yeah. I mean, there's obviously, you know, he's already wanna try hurdle. He's won several times at Cheltenham, you know, you you ignore that. I run. Cheltenham over two mile and he's done. Well, I'm under well-named. I will buddy oval quality of the wool she's likely to run in this race. And that includes the fun too, though, if you have if you ever look at what's been winning was within the J O T, even if even if you kick out voter, we'll see rented one hundred seventy four when he wouldn't when he wanted in the average ignoring photo would be about one six three, and you know. The deputy soy gets warm five six for for both Sandown and showed them and lost in translation, he gets one five they do know share an outstanding standard to be social debate. And compared to all the others you to run and every ensure you're going to talk about this. But if you take a long look at the Bank, and the rice, and every other horse is likely to mount is actually lightly running away. She's twenty two one bigger isn't going to be like that on the day. Even if you destroy and most shouldn't translation birth get there. So for me, I think you re looking at a bigger process. Now, the interesting about deputy. He's obviously I lost in translation is incredibly closely match because deputy soy's is got beat by those showed him giving him three pound and then his beating and three quarters of the length at Sandown. Now, I think deputies would probably win again because Sandown go he did the right thing. And he wait until the off the loss was at Cheltenham, he was. Jumped to our and I think he wants to be white white with. But I will I don't think that form is a great deal better than quite a few others in the rice who have four five times a process. I'm bigger interesting. Darren deputies soy does he start? You is the winner of this race. Don't like I've never taken to stars on concerned, the only juvenile hurdler worked assault and Oakland company over the last ten years is probably our Connor. And he ended up on fortunately number for me defeat. The soy just I'm just not a fan. Like, he's he's won two smaller field chases where they've absolutely crawl around. And he's assorted top than for toll at the end. And he haven't gone a proper pays and put his jump into the test one race where they did was a woman who was beaten it was. So you know, look fair enough. There was probably other excuses that day for me. Nah. He's just he's the wrong e not these wrong favorite, but like dot farm lesson. Translation, I think as Paul alludes to is just not strong on. It's more than more than enough for me to undertake on the phone to very very strongly. No, definitely not for me. Okay. Well, we've made me touch them Daffy just so let's give lost in translation. And know the mention form behind a bugah while he went on to win at the Dublin rakes in festival, and obviously sort of out did deputy soy in the latter stages of the Dipa Dave jumps really well since he sort of belted one at Newbury, I'm a big fan of the horse. It seems like everyone's very negative on him. But I think Richard Johnson. Would it be kicking himself? Let sound on if you were going gonna little bit faster. And just again, I think he's potentially a three mile calling Tizzard loves him. I think he could have beaten defict to soy again. So you have to returning to John is going to be his bag yet. Not awful. She didn't know what she's going to turn up. Just we told you that out. But is the phone? Good enough. Lot kills says all agree. Probably not his Aintree novice. Hurdle hasn't really worked out winning nine. Blackout memento in third. And you know, she's terrible season. Even though she'd probably not it just you know, what I came from. He was full t to one in the supreme nausea was ninety seven in Kiel someone on that. So I I know he's a really likable horse. And he's been wanting to jump fences stuff by Darren over definite. I've never really been with him. He pouring cold water on my hips. Anything to add about lost in translation. I know you not massively keen on his form. But I mean, you know. A horse. I mean, I think he put he wants to really aggressive, ROY. Because I think he has one I think he does won't further. It's just you know, when you go to to how the hallmark is hanging on this one line of form between two horses when there was nothing between the two of them. And you know, they say what do you know, if if it was just keep running next week? Both of them can't be superstars Conine. You know what I mean? And and this is the point we've got we've got a market where you've got to horses that all in single figure odds and the only two and it's twenty two one ball, and they're not actually that good. And it's twenty to one bar when you go looking at all the other roses that are likely to run you're crazy. If you not having a series look at this racing and getting stuck in H Y. Yeah. Yet for sure, but we have seen defeat. Just so I lost in translation they've been outlining they've been doing stuff plenty of others not paying any attention to him. That's the problem. Okay. Let's go down some of the runners then LaRouche Berg, obviously going to go in the Arkle top of the game. Like, I said the top of the shop interesting that he's so short concise. During he's likely to go for the RSA. We're going to see him in person. Personally goes it goes in the Irish I heard many. Yeah, he's he you know, he's one of those. It's not even worth discussing many leave. I mean he was a cold Cup. Auditing say anyway, so he might run in the Reynoldstown on Saturday against teeny. Teeny straight. They're really lost re completely. Sure read I don't back with that. And I'm pretty sure where they said he was going to go straight there. They're change their minds. Anyway, we'll kick are numb Kalashnikov run. He's going to go in the Arca probably Lombardo unlikely to run delta work is one for the RSA that leaves us with real still Darren what do you make of him? Obviously, not the best hurdler book. He looks like he could be a bit better defenses. You're just looks to be one of these. It's improved a tone for for goal and chase. And as you say to yourself wouldn't have blown anybody anybody away as a novice hurdler. And I think he's been the small bit unlucky as well. He he probably had the beaten diploma blue in his chasing debut at Leopardstown over two miles and further is probably going to end up suit in them. My issue with him is his jumper is really weird. Like, maybe it's just mean like he he seems to jump or but just the shape he makes this fences. Like he looks on comfortable he looks like he's distressed or something jumping over the no Kerley. He's not Paulin Willie. We're happy, you know, for them after the last day. But as I said, it's just a shape that he makes are, you know, but in America where you know, as as Paul alluded to their the the top of the market is not strongly. Just like the forbid a context deaf destroying lost in translation finished about seven lengths in front of black up. Black up was deemed to have been such disaster over fences he had to go back. Stay in hurtling that you're only seven lengths better than the horse. Who was dean, but disaster over chasing. You should not be favored for a grade. One a chat to them for me. The value was way further down. Definitely begins real estate begins with real still again going down slightly SCO for the Arkle polemic blue. Maybe the same thing cables, right? Who is going to run? Do we think and who is the value in this race? To she's they ran in the Novus handicap chase on Charles day race. I think is produced more winners of the children festivals in any other trials day racing. The last decade killed his art won. It. And that was his step was the first time we'd ever shut any former Lifton detract over fences. He jumped the belted Cutler is fairly hard including the second laws, but it didn't stop. It. Didn't stop his momentum mature any powered up the hill to win by team that was off Maga one hundred and four I'm Ben polling said, you know, hopefully, what got more for pound because he still wanted to run it in the handicapped, but he's going up six which means he caught one in the Novus handicap if one four seven we can move, I suppose one five four is to pound shore of deputy soy, and he's twenty two one in places that is a stupid price for a young horse who is improving and has improved virtually every single run. He's ever run a in his life apart from that one out straight intimating integrate, one company lost you. That's a tough choice and third-place spirit a game just sixty six to one in the place. He was two and a half lens. He was he he's also raid. One four seventy also an APR one for four two pound below the three one five innovation the sixty six to one show. What is going on? He was fifth in the county heard as well last year. He handles Cheltenham, perfectly fine. He's run two. Very very good races over fences. I'm one out. I mean, he was he was only eight lens beyond the Bagai Robert run his rice. Lawson treasure when he didn't want his it. We give it away in between his two good ones. I mean fit for me. Those tools are just have to be back each way consi running elsewhere elsewhere. You could run him in the play, I suppose, but why would you run in a in a race for less money against more experienced horses in a field lie to be twice the size? I mean, it just doesn't make sense. So I think they should both from there. And then not far off the the the so-called form horses headed the market. Some of these all going to have options in the handicap stayed food brings into it. Who do you like it brings into Drovers lane is over elk? Actually, it will. So one of the Colson distance. He was impressive to whether or not foam is merits the racing who raising that we gave them which is one five four. It's the same as killed us. All back in you know, he's got loads of experience. I'm probably I'm seeing the best as three from Florida of offenses. Rebecca guys can finish. Does. Have these souls is twenty five. I thought was big for him as a definite frame PLA. Champagne Kasich is interesting isn't he the winner, of course. Yeah. And a great one afterwards. Now when Mark Lilly, we came and said, this is whistle. Trump. Interestingly enough, he ran really well on his belated comeback. You again you want to see another run weather. That's possible. I don't know again. I like ability Darren probably Guna run the weekend as well. And you think she could be in with a shout. Here really liked it. She ran at nays should be paid zeal fair enough. Getting a lot of ways I'm bay disease Nasha two mile horse by any minor means book. She jumps really really well. I didn't see any issues back. She made one mistake and Paul loss desire, and he got it back reason be quickly. And after that, she paying them all and she showed a lovely turn of photos. Why like turn for home kinda got into an end to Lancs Renault was motionless? And once he once he put the foot down, she she screwed away from them, really nicely. They claim should be better over two and a half miles, and to be honest with you, I think if she kind of popped popular set vote in front in this race and said right coming at me and started getting into a rhythm jumping take a good horse going guide or no especially getting the bid away. Okay. That's really really interesting. Now, we've discussed lots of forces, and I think it's fairly obvious. He Kane on, but let's just clarify the best bets. Dave don't think he's tried to force. It's all Bosnian the rice. We'll definitely be run a hammer and Tong Gallup destroy will be much suited by that. We can't have him out the frame or do think real still has got the better seats around. Well, they'd be the to be expected to be near enough. Cao's killed assault and spirit the game's going to be involved in in your selections. That's definitely yeah. I mean, I might even throw it in. I might even throw it into Cutler others a big race. You race you go to go did look prevalent Gunar the other day as well. But no, I'll I'll I'll stick with those two of the spirit of games. One of the craziest person I've ever seen. Okay. You know, we have Tom. So if you want to mention a couple of others, even if it's just quickly. He would they be who would it be? Well, obviously mister whip I think Mr. woods probably needs soft ground. He's con imagine him going anywhere else to be on this thing that I think he stayed three mile last year. He's obviously, go talent easy. You know, you go four to for being springtime Laker. Probably more easily than the the looks at the time. He he probably still. Yeah. Yes. Great. Is that what you think about is it? And it was one on the I mean, I mean hard line of Gordon Elliott's if he if he was running he would be ov- over reasonable interesting. He he's run. Well, I don't think he was that disgraced beyond the bugger all time and he's run some soda vices at three mile and two month, referred them. But now, I just just in terms of tools coming food and seems have been completely missed killed his spirit of games for me. All the big price winners. I know dot your probably hit the target. We've one of them Darren went to kills. I share Mr. whip down here as well, massive fine. Tar unlike Paul I actually thought he probably will get three miles on better grow. Maybe. But no definitely instrument master basically from thirty three's. I think there's probably bigger elsewhere the two, I suppose we've already touched on really the steel be my man fancy and this, and then there's another horse and we on on clash of would love him to run here. Murphy license. Today's. M Murphy for. Thank you win win. This is heading this chest like he's fight fire away the classiest horse. There's nothing wrong with these ads. Come on. Clini clinic doesn't know only out right on the night. We've come to the end of the show. Thanks for watching and listening to state forget, we have our regular racing post casts. We recorded that yesterday. We looked out the weekend's action in Ireland. I'm hopefully Ecuador flu permitting on Friday. Bruce will be back to the typifies cost as usual with action from Ascot on Haydock as well. So we'll see that. Follow putty power on Snapchat. 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Our Nation of Immigrants: Solving the immigration challenge

The Brookings Cafeteria

46:23 min | 7 months ago

Our Nation of Immigrants: Solving the immigration challenge

"I, I'm John. HUDEK senior fellow in governance studies at Brookings Institution. This is the fifth and final episode of Our Nation of immigrants. especially. Brookings Cafeteria podcast series. In this series, I've explored the reality of in some of the Solutions Board, the immigration policy problems in the United, states if you haven't listened to previous episodes I encourage you to do so. So far I've heard from a variety of individuals who either study immigration policy advocate in this policy space or experienced the immigration system firsthand and in some cases, guests fell into multiple categories. Would I've heard generally is a story about a broken public policy that is badly in need of reform. I've heard about the human toll that such a system can have on individuals, families, and communities. I've learned that while we're a nation of immigrants, this country today does what it has done for centuries rely on tropes and stereotypes in in some cases, outright lies to corrupt the policy conversation and make reform all that much harder to achieve. The politics of immigration is a tough nut to crack. It is had breakthrough moments throughout our nation's history although those moments are too infrequent. However even in a period of deep political and partisan polarization I discovered that there is a real opportunity for bipartisan solutions that balance America's interests that will be the focus of this episode. Is Utah. Governor Gary Herber a Republican. Put it. I think it's important to the country. We've been a country of immigrants. Since the beginning people come to this country for opportunity not guarantees the ability to be a free society, the best they can be. In Mayor Falkiner of San Diego. These new emigrants are these new Americans WanNa get involved. They want to help start businesses. They WANNA, create businesses that they may have had where they came from. Clarissa Martinez. Decastro from Ninos US looked at it not from a politicians viewpoint but from that of the American people and suggested, we have the potential for a remarkable level of agreement about immigration reform, but the conversation must change. We cannot change our policies unless we change our understanding about who immigrants are and why they want to come to the US in that conversation begins with leadership throughout this country. I think what we're seeing is the issue of immigration is being used as a proxy to steer up the politics of. We have sadly seen nat just in the last three years. But for longer that unfortunately politician sometimes in a way to try to avoid being held accountable for solving problems that we Americans would like them to solve. They resort to try to turn against each other or to try to. Scapegoat People. That scapegoating comes from individuals operating in an US versus them mentality failing to recognize their own routes in their own families experience with. To the United States as former homeland security. Secretary Michael Chertoff reminds us. Let's remember most people in the United States. Now are descendants of migrants unless you're a native, American your institution from a different place and it would be legal to remember. That fifty or one hundred years ago it may be. They're anxious visual look down upon had insulted her back. and. We should therefore be extra sensitive not to use that same kind of attitude with respect to the current generation of people who for the most part one illegally and either works or temporarily or maybe even out it get asylum you. And I spoke at length with congresswoman. Judy Chu represents the twenty seventh district. Of California she's a Democrat in the first. Chinese American woman elected to the US Congress whose district includes parts of Los Angeles and San Bernardino counties. We know that immigrants are essential to this economy but right now eleven million of them are stuck in the shuttles and are not able to fully participate in our society. From representative chew shortly. But first, this final episode will focus on legislative and other policy proposals that can bring sanity to the current Immigration System We'll also hear from individuals who you've heard from throughout the series who talk about how while the current environment is a difficult one. It's not entirely new and it requires long-term thoughtful bipartisan cooperation at every level of government to fix. Finally will hear something else something positive something forward-looking genuine hope that this country can get it right. TO PICK UP ON CLARISSA. Prior Point about scapegoating I wanted to know what representative chew thought about how the public conversation affects what goes on in Congress and across America I spoke with the congresswoman remotely in May in the midst of covid nineteen related distancing. Unfortunately president trump has made this a centerpiece of his campaign. Those Republicans who might have been open to comprehensive immigration reform seemed to be afraid of president trump and now they have taken steps back on the progress that we could have made now the reason I say this is when I came in two thousand ten we actually did have a comprehensive immigration reform proposal and there was the gang of eight in the Senate half Democrat half Republican and it included people like John McCain who were very good actually in negotiating a reasonable bipartisan solution to our immigration problems we know that immigrants are essential to this economy but right now eleven million of them are stuck in the shuttles and are not able to fully In Our society and these folks in the gang of eight were actually able to come up with common sense solutions by it was tied in with. So many other provisions that were essential to it such as proposals for how to deal with our legal immigration backlog and proposals for dealing with agriculture. There were so many things that they address. So shows that if we didn't have a president back with so active lay pushing anti immigrant poles, we actually could get somewhere even then I do have to give you a bit of sunshine hair, which is had this last December house did pass a bipartisan farm workforce Modernization Act of which I was original cosponsor. There are many Republicans that see the negative impact of not having a workforce to deal with the agricultural in the fields they are hurting. So that's what brought them to the table and they joined in this bill, which creates a pathway for temporary agricultural workers in the US to become permanent residents, and it was actually a very unusual experience to be there at this press conference celebrating this bill with my Republican colleagues all coming together on this bill that would benefit immigrant agricultural workers. But I enjoyed it. I must say the other area where we have commonality is our healthcare workers because we have nurses, doctors, technicians, and other healthcare professionals that are obviously working tirelessly to save American lives. We'll get to representative chew later in the episode, but her discussion of the Farm Workforce Modernization Act. Is An important one. That bill passed the House on December eleventh twenty, nine, hundred by a vote of two hundred and sixty to one hundred and sixty, five with one representative voting present. Two hundred twenty six democratic members joined by thirty four Republicans to vote in favor of it up but it has since remained dormant in the Senate. The farm workforce. Modernization Act is one of the many legislative proposals that could make a real difference in this space in can be effective at fixing mistakes of the past boosting legal and safe immigration protecting DACA and empowering people educationally, and economically to come out of the shadows in participate more fully in the economy. I asked our friends who need us about such proposals. From our perspective, one of the easiest things that can be done right now is to bring the American Dream Promise Act to the floor in the Senate for about. They we need an I. think we have a moral imperative to take folks who are on Daca and also individuals on temporary protected status out of this legal limbo that they currently find themselves. It's cruel. It's inhumane to. Subject them to the past to what's coming ahead with a court decisions and what they've been living in many ways. The House has passed bill and a bipartisan basis last year last summer. It's an issue that we work closely on. I would also say that one of the things that we are thinking about is What are the type of measures as we prepare for a broader conversation around immigration the need to legalize the eleven million. What are the type of measures that we can do right now perhaps, and I like to refer to as provide off ramps for folks whether it is sensible. Bills that provide individuals who have family here that in some instances allow folks to whether pay a fine and referring to measure by congressman is spots that's out there. That would restore provisions of immigration law that essentially would do that saw folks to get right past the background checks and so forth what are measures that are out there that allow people who are waiting in line right now for their turn to go from immigration judge to seek cancellation of their deportation but are caught up in a massive backlog of largely this administration's doing my humble opinion to apply with one of the agencies affirmatively USCIS to seek their relief with them. What are the measures that allow us to in effect move people who have been here for very long time playing by the rules in many effects and move them from one side leisure he will to the other that can be done perhaps while we wait for the broader conversations around immigration reform and look. We are not naive and understand that this is caught up in the political moment that we live in right now and we also understand and we need to be clear eyed about the fact that this administration has been waiting for this moment as we speak. To put forth, what I think would be a very aggressive behavior that would do few favorites to the country that would do all harm as a trade for what they think would be fair on the DACA question. So we need to be clear I think about what these offerings are for folks to be mindful of what might be coming down the pike and not fall into the traps. that. The administration would like to lay for us. So these are the type of things that were thinking about as we head into the year ahead but I think that one of the easiest things to start that as moral thing to do is for the Senate to take up the American dream a promise act and provide relief to a lot of these young folks and people within TPS status. And there's a lot more that can be done. One area badly in need of reform involves immigration detention in the United States in most Americans agree it needs reform. June, twenty twenty poll conducted by CBS News found that sixty eight percent of Americans believed the conditions in immigration detention facilities or a serious problem. Fifty eight percent believe the federal government is not doing enough to ensure humane conditions in fifty one percent believe those conditions are inhumane. To learn more about this issue I spoke to Sarah Gardner the policy director at Freedom for immigrants a nonprofit organization that monitors human rights abuses faced by immigrants detained by ice. I asked Sarah about one specific proposal the done act. So we worked with the officers of Senator, Kamala Harris and representative privilege I appeal to reintroduce detention oversight not expansion acts last summer summer of two, thousand eighteen. So broadly speaking this bill would enact a moratorium on expansion of immigration detention. So no new contracts no expansion of existing contracts, and it would also ask Deitch s to complete a study outlining how it could reduce the tension levels. By. Half using community based alternatives to detention sense reintroducing that act a lot has changed at the federal level and we've seen during Kobe nineteen. Now, detention levels are in the mid twenty thousands, which is lower than they were even during the Obama. Administration and I think we're in this sort of interesting political window where we've seen reductions in detention levels, I think a lot of advocates didn't think. Would have been possible under the trump administration and I think we have an opportunity to be kind of challenging the implicit assumption that some sort of immigration detention necessary and that we certainly never needed the astronomically high levels that we had during the trump administration and I think a lot of like minded offices that people that may be opposed the trump administration zero-tolerance agenda will agree Oh detaining. Fifty five thousand people a day. That's crazy. But still might think that detention some form is necessary and now we're seeing firsthand. How harmful is it how this dramatic reduction happened really quickly, and the world didn't end all of the challenges of Covid. Nineteen I think also do open some opportunities for maybe new political landscape and policy solutions and frankly driving world detention that wouldn't have been peaceful before. It's not just Democrats like senator. Harris in representative John Paul Looking to reform the immigration system. I asked Utah's Republican governor Gary Herbert about a congressional proposal that he supports that would create pilot programs to give states like his more flexibility in accepting immigrants. That proposal was authored by Congressman John Curtis from the Third District of Utah. It's important to know representative Cardis is not a progressive Democrat. He's a conservative Republican who according to five thirty eight dot com votes with President trump over ninety, five percent of the time. I asked governor. Herber if he thought such a proposal could become law in the current environment. Well, timing is very important. You know when is the right time to strike when it's time to move a policy issue? here's what I would say is there's never a wrong time to do the right thing. And so now is a good time for us to take a look at the elevating the role of states. States have always been supposed to be from the beginning that coequal partner with the federal government. And James. Madison's federal. Forty five which I'm sure you have on your nightstand read nightly like I do talked about the role of the states in conjunction with all this new stronger federal government and the new constitution he's trying to get ratified and he said don't worry states. The role of this new government is stronger centralized government. We've got them in a box. The powers we've gave them are few. And fine they know rated powers walk one section eight, the powers are given to the states are numerous and indefinite. So we need to start getting back to that concept unfortunately over time we've drifted to the idea that we need to ask the federal government to take care of every issue that we can think of. The phrase we said Call Your Congressman, and they do cradle-to-grave. We want Congress to take care of us, federal government, take care of us what they should be calling their local mayor. Are there city Councilman County Commissioners, their state legislature the governor. Because states are doing better than actually solving problems. We don't have the gridlock in our expect say Republican or Democrat. They get things done certainly more effectively than we see in Washington. So let's ask the federal government to do everything start asking our local people in the confines of the state, and now would be a great time to do it well, not only that done. But we'll save money in the process it we have probably we estimate in Utah that there's about fifteen to twenty percent markup. For anything that you want the federal government to do in your behalf. If we just did it. Ourselves cut out the middleman. We can save about fifteen or twenty percent transportation's a prime example. I can build roads for fifteen percent less cost with the same standards, same statistics, requirements that they're billing federal's out. I can do it with my contractors in the State of Utah from fifteen percent less money. Many of the interviews for this podcast were conducted early and twenty twenty before covid nineteen caused a massive shutdowns in the united. States across the world. However, as I mentioned earlier, I spoke with representative to remotely in late May and I asked her what the pandemic has meant for immigrant communities and how Congress has responded specifically, I asked how the Cares Act, signed into law in late March has fallen short in how the Heroes Act passed by the house in May would address those issues and shortcomings. Democrats have been pushing for this but sense, every one of the previous spills had to be the result of bipartisan negotiation immigrants were left out and that is why Senator Maisy Geraldo and I introduced the Corona Virus Immigrant Families Protection Act. It would, of course, allow individuals who taxes with the individual tax payer. Id. Number to get benefits the ITIN number in addition to this. It extends expiring Work Authorizations and Immigration. Status. Is To ensure that immigrants don't lose their status while the COVID nineteen crisis is going on. It. Makes sure that immigrants have access to emergency medical services or prevention testing and treatment. and. It makes sure that this public charge rule that trump is putting forth would. Not Affect these immigrants negatively in that if they receive any services that they would not be denied a green. Card. Now I do have to say the Heroes Act was passed on May Fifteenth did include some of these provisions especially the part about testing a treatment and allowing itin providers to get the rebates. It also ensures that there is translation of these covid nineteen resources because that's another thing. So many of our immigrants are limited, English proficient, and in fact, one third of Asian Americans are limited English proficient. So they should have knowledge about how to get these resources whether it's unemployment or health treatment or a P P P payment protection loan for their small business. So it has all these good provision. President trump is not the first president to govern over a broken immigration system. But I wanted to learn different perspectives about how changes from administration to administration had real impacts on people and policy. I. I asked Secretary Chertoff. There's no question that prison Bush's attitudes very much set the tone and the thing you have to remember about him is he actually was very sympathetic and understanding of migrants and their needs, and he was very generous Jewish views or people for example, south aboard a lot of this is used to tell me as he was governor of Texas and people in Texas had a lot of interaction with people in Mexico. There's been a fairly free back and forth as well as economic activity across the border, and of course, there are many Texans who have family in Mexico or descendants from people who were living in Mexico. So President Bush was particularly sympathetic. And warm munish understanding of the needs of migrants and the value they country. Now, let's not to say that he didn't want enforce the law and he supported what we force law but it was not with cruelty. It was with a desire to be fair both to people in the country and people outside the country and to recognized value that immigrants bring to the United States. Next. Let's hear what Martine thanks you'll remember. Martine. From episode four she writes about Immigration and she herself at one time face deportation hearings but had citizenship in no country and was rendered stateless. Have I seen changes in the immigrant experience through the different administrations. So when I think back to all the different administrations that I've been through since the beginning of my journey, there was the George W Bush administration their pros and cons in terms of how they contributed or impacted negatively the immigration space. So George W Bush I would argue that the initial Muslim ban which wasn't call the Muslim ban really started with him right with access of evil. This whole idea that everyone was a terrorist if they looked a certain way. So that was originally where this whole concept Muslim ban really originated in my opinion but at. The same time when you think about some of the relief programs that were introduced came from the Bush administration temporary protected status was one. So it was a kosice saw there was pros and cons during the Obama Administration. Some would argue that the number deportees increase during his administration but at the same time, his administration supported in signed Daca, which has impacted at least seven, hundred, thousand individuals it's a temporary protective status. It doesn't offer relief long-term, but it was something and then the trump administration maybe less of a seesaw it's just been a downward spiral in the context of immigration in the sense that there's a Muslim band. We group everything within immigration into one big bucket and we don't make distinctions. What we do is we will continue to make trade offs. We'll say, all right. Well, we'll keep DACA and we'll get rid of temporary protected status right? Because the general public doesn't really know the difference they don't really understand. So as long as we use this blanket to address immigration will not change. So to answer your question across the administration's has there been a change with the immigrant community. Their response to this has changed meaning in my opinion in that we've become more vocal and less afraid because there is power numbers so more people are speaking out. Are we seeing the changes that we want as quickly as we want no but I think that more people are speaking we're getting more allies and that's important and that's making an impact and that's GonNa make a difference in some way shape or form. In once again, we hear from Freedom for Immigrants Sarah Gardner. I asked her about policies under president trump. I think this administration zero-tolerance agenda is to look at anyone that is in the US for any sort of civil immigration violation as detain -able and with the goal of deporting, which is a bit of a departure from past administrations but there's very little due process in the immigration detention deportation apparatus. Something that really shocks people is that you have a right to counsel, but one is not going to be appointed for you. So there's no sort of pro bono legal representation system. The way that there is in other parts of the Judicial System Co, people that can go through. Their entire immigration proceeding without any sort of meaningful access to counsel without really understanding the charges that are being levied against them. This can have far reaching consequences where people will accept felony charge for illegal reentry with the understanding that they'll be deported quicker. We'll spend less time in detention and not understand that that opens them up for criminal processing if they do choose to reenter potentially longer periods of detention and bigger consequences for themselves in their family. So just really WANNA question the idea of due process at all in the way that immigration detention and deportation system is setup. But again, not all of the problems in our immigration system started with President trump. I asked UNIDO says, Carlos Guevara about the changes that happened under President Obama an important question as his vice president Joe Biden is now the Democratic nominee for president. To, lay the foundation, a number of things have transpired in the past close to ten years. The Nation has a significant amount of treasure on. So called enforcement of the border in some ways, one could argue that those type of resource investments had significant impacts on how people are coming to the country. Beginning around two, thousand twelve or so I think we started to see a shift in who is coming to the united. States that really underscores the point that were making earlier about folks who have been here for a significant amount of time. In fact, prior to two thousand and twelve, most of the folks who had been coming to the United States were Mexican origin. We're seeing more distinct communities primarily from the northern triangle. Yes. Referring to Guatemala Salvador endure. But other countries as well, and the fact of that shift I think has contributed to the way we conduct and the folks around the country perceive them immigration issue I remember working myself in the administration, the previous administration, some of the images frankly that were exploited of the overcrowding systems along the border to. So some of these years that glad he was describing a minute ago about and perceptions of the community. And that for me marked a beginning of a shift and perceptions of WHO's coming into the country folks understanding of what the reforms need to look like, and since then I think there was valiant effort to try to get in wish reform done in two thousand and thirteen that was impart impacted by these dynamics going on in these shifts as well and. While the Senate did act at tied the hand as the House did not act on their actions of the previous administration who by our own analysis and that many others and not been doing a good job when it came to our community and in some instances of began to recognize some of those issues and start a new way forward in two thousand and fourteen. Would I would say is that when we get to two thousand sixteen, we start to see a market difference in the way the issue is leveraged I folks to use that fear and division for political purposes and I think in many ways we have been set back significantly from the efforts to try to teach sensible solutions assessable solutions that we need but it's why we continue to do the work that we do to try to restore that sanity that we need ultimately get to the place that we want in terms of the solutions for many in our communities. I. Want to end this section of the episode with the question I posed to representative chew regarding an Executive Order President trump issued that temporarily suspended immigration to the United States. The, trump administration has an executive order prohibiting immigration for sixty days due to the Kobe. Crisis. Now, objectively much of what's going on with immigration has come to a halt because of covid nineteen, many of our offices are closed down. But we are very concerned about him utilizing this measure to lay the groundwork for future punitive actions. In fact, we believe that this is an order that will harm so many that are attempting to come in. He did have exceptions I do have to say there were exceptions there for the agricultural workforce and for our age one be workers many of whom are healthcare workers. Representative choose referring to presidential proclamation ten zero fourteen issued in April twenty twenty which suspended most immigration to the United States for sixty days. After our interview on June twenty second President Trump issued a up proclamation ten, zero, fifty, two that extended that ban on immigration through December thirty first twenty twenty. Representative Chew had a prediction when we chatted in. May. About what the consequences of extending that action would be. So it was obvious that he knew what negative economic impact there would be. By if this was extended further, this could have a chilling effect to immigration in this country in the future. Issues like immigration policy doesn't happen solely at the national level. The effects of national level policy or felt at the state and local levels as well. Depending on WHO's president in who controls Congress. Local leaders can face dramatically different environments and policy landscapes and must be ready to deal with whatever Washington hands them. San Diego Mayor Kevin Falkiner. El Paso Mayor de Margaux, had some thoughts about how that affects them and their cities. We've worked under Democratic Administrations, Republic Administrations, and that will continue to be a fact of life and I. think that's why it's so important for us as local leaders, San Diego mayor to wire elected officials to demonstrate how closely we do work together every administration is going to take a different approach to issues that's part of what it's going to happen but. I think we can provide that unique perspective to our federal leaders about the reality of what's happening here on the ground about the proximity and the close relationship that we have how important this economic engine is, and again I think it's incredibly important that we demonstrate that not just here at the local level, but a very active in Washington DC and indeed. City one of the biggest issues that we are working on right now is the cross-border issue on the river valley. In terms of sewage pollution, we can fix this. We are going to fix this and it's going to take both Mexico. In Washington DC working together, we decide through US MCA a really significant dollar amount to increase our wastewater treatment that is a good example of us working together, and again we can show on the local level what it's GonNa take to help change policies on the federal level. Our biggest issue has been historically that El. Paso. Except for the immigration issues and shooting on August third, we've been an unknown jewel. People have never realized where we are who we are. We're about when I served in the Texas legislature, it was stated that seventy percent legislature never been to El Paso. We are geographically due south of Albuquerque. We're in a separate time zone and the rest of Texas where mountainous desert region and the rest of Texas is not. So it's just the biggest issue I have is to say. If, you want to understand the border come to pass. We will explain it to you. We will show it to you firsthand. And then we'll talk about the issues that need to be dealt with in Washington to alleviate the immigration challenges Daca to me deferred action issues on these people who were brought over and grew up. We have a lot of Dhaka in El Paso. A Lot. Them don't even speak Spanish. I think that the rhetoric as been misplaced, misinterpreted, misspoken whatever you WanNa say and people need to understand these are viable contributing not citizens but should be citizens of El Paso and frankly if you served in the military. It ought to be axiomatic to me that you get citizenship I. Mean there are dockery into in our military. And died. To me that should be an easy one to deal with. And the rest of us is going to be political heartburn. So where do we go from here? Looking out at the immigration policy of landscape can be brutally depressing. Like a lot in American politics today public health, the economy polarization disinformation we face not a moment of crisis, but a period of multiple crises. This series has highlighted some of the problems that exist in our immigration system whether it's misinformation or outright lies about who immigrants are where they come from and what they do they come here. Whether it's the in which detained immigrants and their families are separated and housed and treated. Whether it's the biases that exist in the stoking of flames of xenophobia that some in this country embrace. One thing is clear immigration reform assessing. In that is true for undocumented individuals as it is for permanent residents and citizens naturalized or natural born. Yes unchecked and unregulated immigration system of borders would create problems for the United States but no serious thinker support such a position. Instead reform must balance security with humanity and in understanding the immigration policy is complex in has to do with more than the US Mexico border in that solutions to our problems require more than building a porous wall through deserts along rivers between cities in through native land's. But of course, despite these challenges Americans, new and old in those striving to become Americans do not see dark days ahead they see hope and opportunity they see our current environment not as a permanent logjam. Can and will eventually give way to logical functional, effective and humane policies. We found here's our goal in great quality of life. Economic Opportunity expansion of options for ourselves but for our children and our grandchildren the rising generations. And we believe that having a rational immigration policy and treating refugees as they ought to be treated actually helps enhance those goals. I. Think other states will find. That's true for them to. When he to set aside some of the harsh rhetoric and find good policy. We are actually seeing the government actively increase the undocumented population by attacking does status under which those immigrants have come in. At the same time we now from conversations with the community and the many groups we work with that immigrants in particularly undocumented immigrants one nothing more than to be good with the law and to have that opportunity for legal status. And so we could see that if that gets reinstated certainly the thousands of current DACA. Recipients. Will continue to renew which is exactly what we would want them to do. And hopefully, we would be able to encourage others to do so. While, we get members of Congress to act on the only solution that they have the authority to produce to truly modernize our immigration system, and again, the solutions are not noun and they're not intractable. We have had this debate multiple times. We know how to do this. We just need to get members to stop stalling and sadly because usually immigration solutions have been delivered. At the handsome both parties, it's always been a bipartisan solution that has advance. We have lately particularly on the Republican side people being reluctant to be part of that solution the country wants to see, and that's where we as voters a civil society have a role to play to continue the push for a sensible solution on this issue. Our relationship is such a critical part of who we are and I talk about it in terms of facts I, talk about it in terms of what's really happening and I talked about our history. But probably most importantly, the incredible potential we have is a region when we work together and when we talk about it in those terms like I said, it's a success story one that we're very proud of here in the San Diego region and when I interact with. Border mayors all across the region whether it's El. Paso you name it matters similar story to tell and so why I have spent so much time on organizing all of the mayor's on our southern border is because it is important. We're going to have challenges. Of course we are but I think it's incredibly important that we base our actions and decisions on what's best for our constituents. What's best for our economy and when we do that we're gonNA. Come out ahead. I have optimism that things will change. Once president trump is not in office anymore because he is fanning the flames of xenophobia, it is part and parcel of the way that he sees himself remaining in office appealing to his base and portraying imigrants in the worst possible light and yet I know that there are Republicans that are in constant contact with immigrants in their district. I. Also know that there are Republicans who are very sympathetic to save rinses the Dream Act students to the students who are here through no fault of their own, and there was a time when we had quite a few Republicans who were supporters of the Dream Act, but that has all gone away with President trump. I do believe that the basic philosophy that led them to want to support the dream act and other actions is still there. So I am hoping that we can return back to the stance that we once had in this country where we appreciate are immigrants and were we appreciate the diversity of the greatest in this country. If you look at. Some. Of the top leaders on most brilliant business people in the tech world come from other parts of the world and we were lucky enough to have them stay. At the other end of the kind of business spectrum when you're dealing with agriculture or healthcare or all kinds of very necessary services, we couldn't do those that migrants. So if you WanNa be realistic about what this country needs, we need better regulated and more migration, not flailing out and solving people from the rest of the world. L. comes down to commonsense I firmly believe that. As a country politically, we still fall somewhere in the middle of the bell curve. The two extremes on the outside of the Bell Curve, get all the attention but the rest of US regardless of which box we check on our party affiliation have a lot of commonality in terms of our concerns. Our interests are hopes in our fears and our dreams ourselves as well as our children and our neighbors and just have to get rid of the noise and get down to business. So that's what it's all about. Immigration reform isn't easy very little is in the American system. In a period of global pandemic in one of the deepest recessions. In American history, those challenges can be magnified, but the best approach moving forward is not to buy into the vilification of immigrants, a group of people who have built this country. Into Secretary Chertoff noted almost everyone in the United States traces their roots to immigrant families maybe not from Mexico maybe not from China maybe not from Afghanistan but from somewhere. In most people have family members who have experienced discrimination or bias whether you are black, Brown or white. Whether your ancestors came here for opportunity out of necessity to flee terror or in bondage. I've learned a lot in this journey over the past five episodes and I hope you have to. We've heard about the problems and we've heard about the proposals that will shape and Guide Our Future Immigration has been a complex problem that is older than the republic and won't be fixed overnight. But we need to lower the temperature excised from our politics. Our rhetoric lies and misinformation and recognize that people from land are not inherently our enemy nor are people across the political aisle, necessarily the opposition on every issue. In. Only then will we understand that we're a nation immigrants? In Our future depends on that remaining the case. We lead the world because unique among nations we draw our people our strength from every country and every corner of the world. By doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation. While other countries cling to the stale passed here in America, we breathe life. Into Dreams, we create the future and the world follows us into tomorrow. Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity. We're a nation forever young forever bursting with energy and new ideas. and. Always on the cutting edge, always leading the world the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans are leadership in the world which soon lost. This has been our nation of immigrants. A lot of people contributed to the episodes in this special series of the Brookings Cafeteria podcast. I I want to thank my guest who took the time to let me interview them for this episode Representative Judy Chu and Sarah Gardner. I'd also like to thank all of those individuals you've heard from over the past five episodes have been willing to participate in this podcast. My thanks also go out to Gaston Roberto the audio engineer for the series and all brookings podcasts. Andrea. risotto the senior producer for the series. Fred dues the usual host of the Brookings Cafeteria Plus Sean Dr Aloma Lozada Chris McKenna, who also produced the series. Jacob. Jordan who production support in Christine Stangeland a research analysts here at Brookings who contributed to the research that underpins all of our work on immigration policy. Into especial thanks goes to the Selden Herring Smith Foundation for the financial support for this podcast and the ongoing immigration policy work of the Brookings Governance Studies. program. This special series on immigration is brought to you by the Brookings podcast network, which you can follow on twitter at policy podcasts. You can listen to the brookings cafeteria wherever you like to listen to podcasts and find other episodes online at Brookings Dot edu slash pink. John.

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Episode #105: The Age of Experience (Mikhael Tara Garver)

The Limit Does Not Exist

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Episode #105: The Age of Experience (Mikhael Tara Garver)

"I don't think America has ever gone back to the way that it was before the DC sniper the gunman most likely a skilled L. Marksman fired six times in the course of sixteen hours to kill the five people in one day and then went on the rampage for the next month. He was a psychopathic cold blooded killer that can never walk the street again. Listen to monster. DC sniper on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts casts or wherever you get your podcast. The limit does not exist production of iheartradio. Hey I'm Christina. I'm Kate Scott Campbell. We're here to help you. Follow your curiosity. Celebrate your individuality and embrace the end not the or so you can turn everything everything you love into a custom built career. That's as unique and dynamic as you are if you feel that one path may not be your only pack and you call yourself a human ven diagram. Venue are in the right place because when it comes to pursuing your passions we believe the limit does not exist. Have you ever felt like having a day job to pay the bills makes you somehow less of a creative or that. You're not a real artist or innovator because you need things like structure I health insurance in order to do great work. Well fear not because the truly bright upside is that paying the bills can give you the flexibility to forge Georgia path. That fits your unique set of interests. Take that outdated starving artists construct our guest. This week is a living example of this. Michael Terra Sarah Gardner is a theater director experiential architect and founder and executive director of Thirteen E. X. P. in experiential entertainment studio. Michael worked with big brands. Avant Garde theater companies nonprofits and many others to create what she calls experiential narratives. What doesn't experiential the architect? Do you might wonder good question. You're going to find out as you join us in taking a deep dive into what makes an experience and experience and if you ask US experiential storytelling is a field. That is tailor made for human van diagrams. So let's Michael. Let's do it. I call myself an experiential architect. But that's because I've been called so many other things that for a long time I was trying to find the word that felt the most true Not because all the other words weren't true but because constantly changing what I was calling what I do too situation wasn't working as well as I'd like but those words sometimes were like a director I come from being a director and immersive director immersive designer and artist and activist and experiential designer What else ever heard artist before? Yeah no there's a lot lot I'd feel like I definitely. Social Justice is a huge part of my work. But I would say I know so many amazing artists in the world world right now that I take that that term very seriously but yes There are some incredible ones out there right now. So there's all those terms that were used for a years depending upon which room I was in Totally that is a challenge that we know well on this show particularly when you are in this is really path paving work and it might be a great next step to just ask you. What is inexperience experiential architects? Okay Question Kate. We're getting deep very bright and dumping right into dig right in so first of all I think an experience -perience is something that we encounter with our whole being. That's what I like to think about okay and were not as practiced at encountering countering things with our whole being anymore. Now that's not me saying you know I'm anti technology in fact the opposite of that so I come originally from In my early early years of theater background and why we've made viewer. Why in the beginning? Why we made television and why we make all these things were are how we reflected back what it is to be human? That is literally what all of this right and we reflect. PODCASTS are about US trying to understand in a longer form what it is to be human and it is a particular form so to me. What experiential is is? It's a concert of all all the live and digital ways that we are human using that to create a full experiential either narrative. Give or moment or wonder. I'm most interested in Derrida but so I use both live and digital ways to do that because we live both live and digitally. You know. I'm in this room right now with Kate like I'm not in this other room with you right like there's A. There's a way in which this is reality so pretending pending it's not. I think was always problematic to me but also relying on it and not figuring out how it transitions to live things. So that's nice to me. What how I define? That's how I'd find it but it's also to do with like sensory too right so I could get super nerdy and talk about how memories are imprinted in our being because of more than one sense so You know we have a memory is fascinating assassinating an endless. But when we're using just one cents. It's hard for our beings. Our bodies to implant them you know for long term and so one one of the reasons. We're in a the age of experience. I would argue which people have stated which just basically means like you have to do more for people to remember birth things like. There's so much out there that for it to imprint. It has to be more depth awful. You know there's so many people screaming that if few just yell out and a good idea. No one's going to hear it. I love that term that adjective depth full. What does that mean to you? Does that mean you're sort of imprinting through multiple mediums mediums and way as my laugh because one of my colleagues who has worked for me for years. Max Hates when I use that word because it's not really and so they'll be like editing my stuff and he's like that is not a real word. I know you use it but I don't care making up words I make up boards all the time I mean. I call myself often experiential architect like that So for me. Depth full is that as opposed to thinking of stories as linear her. I think of story and narrative as like how far does the trunk ago down into the soil right. Yeah and so there are certain experiences When the trunk is not down embedded into the soil you can kind of knock the tree over holy but so it's just a little like that was beautiful you? That's a beautiful tree. I can still knock it over if I push it hard enough. What I think where? We're at right now with experiences with their incredible INSTA- museums happening. They're incredible wow moments happening but what we really are craving our experiences the the roots are so embedded. You can't knock it over and then what ends up happening is communities of people. Gather around those trees and suddenly you have fans clearly you. You have been making experiential work for a long time So while you know maybe we are in the age of experience now in some people are just becoming aware of that like you. You've been creating this work for over two decades. What was your way in? What was that first? immersive experience you worked on. I had to pay my bills and IT TO RUN A nonprofit theater company in Chicago and we were founded in June of two thousand and one for show Spin November two thousand one so oh I couldn't in any sort of good feeling go out and raise money after September eleven totally. It just wasn't a real thing wasn't even like a question and and I was coming up in Chicago and I had to start solving a financial problem and so one of the ways I did it and that was because I always always wanted to pay artists and all those things so one of the ways I did it as I started creating these events at that would now be called experiential events and I was like. Oh the interaction interaction and it's creative and it's fun than people will spend money as a part of joyful experience. Not because they're paying for a ticket and so I started to learn had a game by spending money. We made something like two thirds of our annual budgets doing that. What was like an example of one of those early we called? We called a one of our events. The March Hare was all alice in wonderland themed every year and instead of it being a gala it was all interactive gamified. And now now no one would be surprised by it. It's what you see inexperienced parties and gamification all the time right. I mean I think ours was great but but in particular like that was unique also I was trying to sell problems by and because of the Great Chicago community was partnering with Local Small Businesses. So so we might do an experience that they would pay for and that would be their holiday party and then so that was that and then on the art making side of it. I was also interested in partnering with businesses. So We'd have people you know. We had a show that was around an Irish faith healer and it was February and Chicago and we had people enter through the back alley alley. Go down upset of stairs suddenly be in this massive abyss of a room before they walk to a light at the end of that room a doorway and then they were in a small space that smelled of whiskey. That was you know Less than a quarter of the size of this big cavernous space. They'd walked into. And so I was just playing Tori. I I was like a and it wasn't just me with designers and but I was really just playing. I was figuring out how to tell story in all the different ways and how to experience experience story so you know the theater term. That's used a lot is like show. Don't tell and I maybe just kept pushing At that I'm so interested in how you you went from creating these you're working to raise money to put on theater like was. Is there a shift at one point where you went okay. These experiences that I'm making now this is the thing I wanNA keep walking towards this versus. This is supporting me. Directing plays as so. I think that so at the same time right. I had another full time job because we all have to pay bills and that fulltime job is working for a small business this group of Athletic Clubs in Chicago and the owner of who gave me a lot of just kind of saw in me the ability to think about marketing and sales in a way that was was authentic and real and so off wall raising this money. I'm also in this marketing space in which were actually trying to connect to community so at the time I think I thought thought like Oh these are all disparate parts of my life. Yeah and now I realize those were the threads of a braid. That was going to come together. And I don't actually think to to be very honest until maybe like two years ago. Did I really see that really. Truly two years ago I was like Oh right it because all these pieces replace now. Yeah and like and I don't think along the way I was going. Oh I have to do these experiences. This is for this and I have to do this for this. I actually enjoyed all components of all of it. I thought that made me less of an artist because I was like I actually really in doing this thing you know. And there's that culture of that makes you not and then I started to go who cares. This is what I'm doing and we'll there. Is this stigma Brown. Like if I'm not just pursuing this one modality Illich this. Yeah this one mode then. I'm not dedicated enough to that part of my craft or I mean that's when when there's mean voices this is in my head that's what they say. You know even the idea that like Oh if you have to have any other jobs to support yourself than you haven't made it yet a creator. There's an artist on. Yeah I mean I say this I would say this to my students all the time. Which is I? Don't really care what your creative life ends up looking like you're creative creative so if that means that working at a bookstore so you can go home and write your plays allows you to feel more creative than that's more important certain te then if you like up for other people being an Admin in a in a casting office is actually really helpful they learn a a lot from that and then for other people. It's like I actually really like working at this law firm or actually. I've found a way to teaching art. Or whatever those things are like Einstein Stein who worked at the patent office. That's exactly right. 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That's not my work but I worked on the original Boston. I another museum of something is not necessarily the answer to every question. Yes I had. This thought aww. What if the first original content experiential studio which could hold all this? Ip had been developing not just of mine but with all the creators creators had social impact in its DNA and that it was original and brands instead of making experiential could buy advertising housing and it would end up looking the same but then the content will be better have a longer duration and so the project is right now. There are many projects but thirteen. Xp He is at the helm of those for sure. What I love about this Michael is is? You're talking about this. There's still these distinct areas and maybe it didn't feel like that at the time but from what I'm hearing is you had these like sort of marketing coup commissions jobs over here and then you had your social justice community and colleagues over here and you had the commissions from theater companies in institutions over here and what it feels like is going okay. How can I continue to integrate this work? I'm fascinated because your work obviously requires a solid knowledge of a bunch of different mediums. You know you intersect with technology technology. You obviously have a very sharp business acumen. You are dipping a toe Slash foot arm. Whatever in like like all these different fields how have you continued to expand your skill set? And your how do you learn as you are kind of adding each of these different tools to your toolbox. I think that's been both the best part. And the hardest part right. So I am definitively tentatively curious to a fault I will dive in head first and ask a lot of questions. I think there are certain rooms in particular aware. I've paid a lot of attention to listen much longer than I speak. I think that also it has had a lot to do with being unclear as much as I can with myself and then with the people who I'm working with what our goals are because they can't be everything the first time I think that it also I have failed a lot like I've been in rooms in which I have all the best intentions I know I do and I end the day. Probably no I do but it just doesn't work because I'm not there yet. I'm not understanding the language yet. They're not ready so working in a project based career and now heading up your own studio we WanNa know what are some of your personal project management strategies. So I'll say a couple things one is. I've learned that some sort of stability is required required for me to feel creative and until I feel that some sort of stability I will organize to the end. The like all keep writing lists is like there's a there's a I forget who says this but like the six time you right down the list. It's no longer helping you because you're just spending time writing that's right so so I love that the first five times absolutely time goes off. I know it's a six and you know you don't you know. Oh so I I also was brought up. came up as an artist believing that organization would it was how we took care of people right so to me I was. I'm always thinking about like well if my team and I are disorganized than a person who I'm communicating by email doesn't feel valued and so so to me that's like the most important thing that our organization systems do one could say that's good business one could say that's also just like a value right writing it. Making people feel safe is imported taking care of them like I get emails. That are everything from a student to a person who wants to hire us and so I want everyone. I want to be responded to him respected. At the same time I would be lying if I did not say that there are times in which that desire takes over my life. My desire that when my students who are Sou- my former students are super important to me email me and are having Some sort of question around what they're doing not personally but professionally that I want to get on that phone right and I'm not patting myself on the back about it. In fact I think I at times will. I use that to avoid the really sticky work that needs to get done. We use things like basecamp. Yes I think. I think that there is a way that for better or for worse that my brain Mike Creative brain has been about building. These like like you know. I love a good chart. So building a spreadsheet is how I tell story right. There's twelve simultaneous stories happening at the same time while they're sixteen ecksteen audience tracks. So that's just naturally how I began to tell story so that means that unfortunately or fortunately for my team I am thinking in Liberty I remember how the fourteen year old version of yourself. Oh if if you could write to that kid what would you say. I'm Chelsea arson join me on my podcast. Dear young rocker for each week. Write a letter to my younger self as she brings us back into the intensity of adolescents. Falling in love with your favorite song. The way only teenager can getting up the nerve to join a band struggling with anger and body issues crushing on. Someone's so hard. Can't breathe around them experiencing how truly awful I kissed can be feeling like you could I and with flaming ball of anger sadness or both at any second making a decision. That could cost you your friends your band and your entire Social Daria Rockin. You're not alone you lived through it. 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The library Alexandria which happens in public. Libraries stories was built that the first three quarters of it is solitary because our experience in a library is very solitary. Often it first in hand you're searching for something for yourself and then there's this big communal coming together and so that is the example to say like I'm also looking at how the audience experiences something and that's the one where we for. The first time built eighteen simultaneous tracks. That ran through a working library at once. Oh my God that's amazing but like let's be super clear here like that's what my brain comes up with. And then I have amazing collaborators. We'll pickens and Carl favor. Who are like? That's crazy. What you WanNa do and then they figured out with some sort of thing and then we figure out the systems you know so it's not by any means? Just take me of course but I but I do think that like the crazy idea. oftentimes is because I see the spreadsheet as a whole and and then is the work of etching down into it so this goes back to organization which like I see the vision as a whole and the the hard part of saying no to things or over committing is that in the structure of a spreadsheet. Nothing is more important than anything else and so it gets really hard. If that's how you look at the world to remind yourself that you have to also do the work of prioritizing clearly you you found your way into this through a background in theatre and also this equal love of organization and seeing that big picture what other roads could would lead someone into a career creating experiential work. How might some of our listeners? Who have interesting? That sounds cool. I WANNA do that. What sort of paths might they consider going down in order to be prepared to do this type of work when a young person is coming into it? Mike Hyphen feedback is always going to be point at the things that you're excited about and ask those people if you can work with them. Don't worry about what it's called. Don't worry about what it means if you work with them and not someone else but also like if it's not in front of you and you don't know what it is we are also at this point and and you know at a moment where as much as we are becoming a field we are becoming a field so that means those of us. Who are you leaders in? It are much more accessible than leaders in other fields. I'd love that. I'm looking in the visual arts world. I'm looking in the social justice world. I'm looking in the the entertainment world I'm looking. I'm really looking to see if you're interested in not being in one world. Yes so if you're if you're curious serious and you'RE GONNA keep asking questions and be curious about all the world's and you're not an artist organizer or leader or creative. Who needs it to be a yours? Only then I'm interested. Yeah I love how tactical Michael Gets when she talks about using spreadsheets to keep track of the different narratives and pathways through an experience that she's designing. Yeah I think so. Many times artists talk about their inspiration or the vision for the work. They've created which is fine but they leave out the nuts and bolts of how they actually build the thing. It's so so true and how that thing is built is really often. I'd say maybe always piece by piece talking with Michael made me feel a little less crazy and our love of base camp to keep track of wall of the moving pieces for this podcast. I know that you oh you get many at base camp alert. Email me when I'm creating new to do lists in there but you know it really helps us both in juggling a lot of projects ax or even just one. You really do have to become your own master of project management. Absolutely plus. I appreciated her honesty about how she collaborates with. So many different people and ultimately how she's accountable to them which means not over promising for example or for ensuring that she communicates clearly the vision that is in her head. I mean obviously spreadsheets. Are One way to do it when it's something involving unlike timelines or numbers. All things math pinch. Sports are also an incredible tool. I know you and I use them a lot to organize and share visual visual information as well. Oh yes you know my love for Pinterest. Board runs deep but yet I think that's so true you know we often talk about how you often start by creating something and then once you've created a thing and you have more people you're working with then all of a sudden you're managing eight and I really loved Michael's transparency with how. She's working with her team members to keep them engaged and inspired and feeling scene and I also love hearing her talk about how she learns new skills you know it's so embedded in being on the cutting the edge of a new field or doing work that combines different worlds and different genres being kind of continuous learner is a job requirement. It is Christina. Where do you go to learn new things? It's such a good question. I mean. Honestly it's any number of places really. We've talked on the show about the classes classes I took at NYU to learn more about computer science. And some of the small group like workshops for creative nonfiction writing. I've also used appliqued duo lingo when I WANNA learn foreign language skills and yeah even online resources like skill share like former. Gosh you Pereira offer or honestly. Youtube Youtube has so many good videos. Everything from like how to tie a bow tie to installing installing baby locks kitchen cabinets. I don't know I just I think for people who want to be continuous learners. There's never been a better our time to have access to experts sharing that expertise for low or no costs. Yeah what about you. Where do you you go to her new skills? I love all of those resources. I'm a big fan of learning things online. You know a friend of mine and I both really wanted to learn some basic photoshop skills for different Brin jobs and we took this online class together like we just set a date at her house and we would go and watch videos together and it was just a really great way to do do it with friend. I'm kind of our little school together. Yeah and you know. I have to say so much of how I've grown as a producer and a director has has been on the job and it's been everything from like realizing that I needed to put a shot list together and not knowing what a shot list looks like and finding finding a downloadable pdf online that's a fighter a downloadable excel spreadsheet and then brushing up on my excel skills watching touching video about all of the above. You know so. I think I'm just a huge fan of learning by doing right. There's no substitute for experience. And I think that if you can continue to find opportunities even at the job that you currently have or the jobs that you currently have that may not be your ultimate job but particularly I found even working for smaller brands. That might be more open minded about me just trying out a skill that's adjacent Jason to one I have but it's still new for me. I've really found ways even in the work. I currently have to build my skill set. So take a look at all. 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612: The Good Place S4E12 Review: Patty

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612: The Good Place S4E12 Review: Patty

"Okay all right. Hey Great. We're recording now cool. Welcome back to teen cockroach podcast about the good points that we company on NBC. By make sure I am. Andrew Pontius introduced my Co Co.. Who's have you ever used a new low guys? How're you go ritual Ataman? Hey everyone and go-to earner welcome. Hi thank you so this week. We were talking about a season four episode twelve called Patty. And I'm actually going to say something that we don't usually say these episodes anymore because we've forgotten about it that this is a spoiler zone. We are going to be talking about the episode in all of its details and lots of other episodes probably from this season and all other seasons so if you don't wannabe spoiled but any of those things you probably stop watching step listening now definitely. Stop watching me if you're watching TRAE. If you're watching that right away my my God. He just stopped. That's creepy. Okay so in this episode team. Cockroaches arriving by balloon in the official good place. Janet leads to humans to gala. That is a mishmash of all their wishes for what they want an ideal party while the Good Place Committee tricks tricks Michael Into wiggly committing to run the good place instead of them and then they scamper away. SUCI fines Patia Pasha. I've already the forgotten how to pronounce it of Alexandria played by Visa. Coudron of a friends and other stuff and she tells them that the the endless perfection of the good place is causing. Everyone's brains to wrap so. This causes much panic in team. And so they regroup at the Party where where Jason tells them to even go karting with monkeys getting old and that causes them to think. Oh my God we've got to do something to that situation. So they veterans in my deals. It's an eleanor eventually. Reinvented the concept death. And so she announces it at the gala till the old timers and they achier. And everybody's happy so the next morning. I think it's the next morning I I didn't quite understand what the time was Team cockroach disperses to their individual dream homes including Jason in a stupid Knicks and eleanor and Chidi relaxing on the couch in front of a glorious. Either a sunrise sunset number exactly which one and so. That's kind of everybody. Goes off into the sunset and happy the end of the episode. So what do people think of this absurd. I have conflicting thoughts about the episode because on the One Hand I love that the the committee is being taken out of the equation. Because I never liked them Dan. I always felt like it wasn't really. He was going to be an issue for the plot. If we're going to continue having them but on the other hand they display the cunning in this episode which. I didn't expect them to hop. So do I want them to be accurate US characters or do I want them to banish which one I want the most. I don't know maybe this was their scheme the whole time. Maybe that's that's why they were just willing to go along with anything to let people into the good place last week because they just wanted to get out. I think my initial watch of the episode differed from my repeat watches at first. I thought well this this is just it just felt like a run up up to the final wage. If this was the end of everything ended here I wouldn't have been satisfied but then whenever you watched they realized how much actual stuff is going on this weekend. I'm happier with that plus I did not expect to see Lisa Kudrow in that. That was a nice a nice little thing. She was perfect pretty random right. I mean they've they've done other communists by other people but this was yeah unusual so we can get through maybe a little more detail. What goes on in this episode? So they do get to the the good place And it's another kind of Nice. We terraced a big garden and other stuff going on there so it looks very nice but then they go to. What do they do they go to to the party? They go to this room. I which has sort of a stuffing it all about perfect experiences. I think yeah so I Janet has to sign and and it seems like there's some anxiety for her and for Michael Not quite knowing where their place is in the place whence Janet signs in. She's able to kind of be their guide to know what and where everything is now. They're they walk into a big. I Dunno lobby of some kind of lobby lobby. Broom has little quick joke. Slake Ring pops that let you understand twin peaks if you suck on them or like something you can sniff. That's like a grandma hug or the Nice things people say about you behind your back I would use. I'm glad they came up with all of them and I hope that they're real. Yeah there was candy gave you the energy of a twelve year old or something like that. I found that one away somewhere because I don't think I would want it but okay. That's something that could maybe be useful for Jason. But then once they go through the lobby. They're ready for the party. Scenario where they're supposed to have a party completely catered to their personalities but since they all walk in at the same time it's a mishmash of everyone although it seems to be more Jason Eleanor than everybody else. Although there are people well reading. But I think that's the part. Yeah and a giant I swan. I'm assuming that's for Tony. Before that we we get the they meet the committee and Michalis ushered away and I got this feeling when that moment happens I got the feeling that they were really in a test. Because whenever whenever you split a character of something something weird is going to happen what I was thinking. It's a trap. It's a trap. Don't go with them into trap and it was the little trout because Michael was completely scared of being in the good place so that he was willing to be vaporized and then everyone's so nice and they they split him off and that that sounds like a trap completely like it gets out like you want like the lions are split off a Gazelle from the herd. Yeah Yeah Anyway and COMP- it pull the wool completely. Rem is because they didn't expect what's going to happen and the thought that that was nice. I guess I liked that I liked the right. Didn't predict what was going to happen. The episode yeah had a point with this anyway. Will they go back and forth between sort of this committee meeting with Michael and the Party and so you find out. I from the committee meeting that something bad happened when they you know they make Michael Side. I knew when they made him sign. That was going to be something bad. Yeah he knew it so he gets a couple of jokes about what kind of signature is gonNA use But then yeah you you know. They're going to get him so he's wandering around these empty rooms looking at the failures on the on the White Board and everything else that they've been trying to do well. The party is still going on and they haven't necessarily to be with the party. Having necessary figured out that things are wrong again. I think Jason's gone off do his thing and cheating editor going to meet a patient and that's true and and so there's a bunch of things back and forth about Chidi being nervous and really intense with padding calls patty at this point so there's you know so that's a bit of a bit of fun that we get and then then she actually went to saying you know know you gotta you gotTa help us. Things are things are bad. So that's you know that's kind of view high stakes that we get for this thing. We know Michael's running the place but of course we don't know why that's bad yet because he's always he's wanting to run places raise architecture. Yeah but then. Oh it's actually Bangor about so. And then the David have any thoughts afar on do you think that they can regress the character in the episode. I had that sort of feeling. Michael Thought About rebooting rebooting people. Again and Eleanor was Buckinghamshire. Hurry Sauna self or so moments and the Jason with the go-carts and Tahani with the jokes. which tall jokes? Yeah yeah pretty hard on that recently. Very hard in this episode. Uh I don't necessarily know if they regressed them or if they just kind of allowed they feel like they can fully be themselves now but isn't the point that they're better now. I still think they're better but it's just like really who they are and I don't know the whole point is they supposedly. Aren't that that sort of people again. If if they're now just now being their true selves selves. Then aren't they still the people that deserve to go to the buffet place. Yeah I get what you're saying. So basically the things that we've been and told with make them happy now in the actual good place or the things that would have made them happy back on earth before they made all these changes but they also didn't get into the good place entirely because they change not they had definitely have gotten better but the reason they got into the good places they figured out the new system everybody so they were heros They were not perfect perfection. Yeah but they were heros. Yeah yes that's that's fair but I don't know it didn't sit right with me. And for example to Hannie talked about how she could say those things now because she's in a good place right out completely lampshade the whole thing is like yeah. They're cannon assholes now what's going on here. They split Michael Often. I'm like this is a trap that that's what they tried to say earlier. I just remember. I don't know if if they didn't have foibles anymore. Would they even be much fun to listen to watch I I'm fine with them. Being still kind of flawed because otherwise they would like they just wouldn't be that much fun but it sure it's well and and we'll get you a sort of the the whole follow like a big change from zone episode. You know it's not. It wasn't like a progressive thing that you get used to it. guas like they pull the the Raga for for is and suddenly. They're the same people basically again except that they have their relationships relationships and stuff but beyond that they they seem to be like so much back further than than they were like an episode before. So that's that made it feel uncomfortable. We'll sort of the next thing that happens. is they really kind of get into the problems with the good place and has to do with. People kind of brain's going to mush because there forever and they don't. They can't really exercise their minds anymore because they don't they feel like they need to be there forever. Wherever and that's just great which now that I'm trying to explain it in sort of isolation kind of makes it a little less sense than it did when I was watching the show but we we can talk about So Patty Patty's mind is in trouble and then they meet someone else called. I haven't been down portable and who was who help people in Ancient Venetia and he's just totally Zombie and to well. We have to. We have to fix that and this is really characters. Were kind of the same as they've always been the way they've been last couple of years and so that wasn't really a difference but the big thing that was different this time around was we've gotta fix the the real good place and the thing that made me a little uncomfortable and we can start with a discussion is did. They fixed it in like two minutes like they they they came up again. Way as a eleanor. reinvents the concept of death like in twenty seconds and everybody is okay with it and then they mentioned it to everyone at the party Freddie and everyone at the party cheers right away. And I'm like Whoa you guys just dealt with a whole bunch of they dealt with the kind of philosophical complexities that in earlier episodes had spent more time on in actually done good service to in a much more Sitcom e way than they've ever done before and that was what didn't sit right with me in this episode that they do something which is actually a pretty good idea. This idea that people can't can't enjoy eternity because mine's just human minds. Hi Dr set up for it. And then they sell it with the snap of their fingers. So what what do people think of that kind of twist to things. Yeah it did seem like kind of a shortcut. Where how about this idea okay? Sure Great and then everyone's just on board. I don't know they've struggled a lot longer. There's a lot lesser things rain. Yeah I feel like it's a really good solution and I would like it if they came up with it after struggling with it for a full episode but it just doesn't feel earns or something right took that was the big thing and this idea that you're reintroducing death to people who have already been like half an eternity that would be a. It's a combination okay but you would think that it would be more painful unfold thing to get used to again and the people would recover right away. Like they're they're ways they could have made this more difficult and more quote realistic. I guess that they just didn't do everyone. Everyone just cheered right away like that would really cheer right away when somebody says hey we can let you die. Actress doesn't seem like did seem. Yeah I earned is really the they put it so difficult will happen next week because it's going to be Super Sad. We're all just GONNA cry next week. It's us who have to live with. And so I think now that they've reintroduced death so the idea was before all of our lovely characters would then somehow they would tell us how they lived the rest of their afterlife. But now they're gonNA tell us how each of our beloved characters whips for a certain amount of time in the afterlife and then goes through the door but that's GonNa be the end of their stories. Did they actually die. Yeah I think that's what they're saying here and I'm a sucker so I'm going to cry. Yeah Yeah what. And they could also show how all of the other characters the newbies that came in this year. We've forgotten about for like a month right. Yeah and maybe even Gen vo decide. Hey I've been doing this for billions of years. I'm tired of it. I WANNA go way. One way they could go is to have everybody sort of the rest of their life and then really die and you know that ticket but hour and a half now but it's the bus burning. I wonder if not getting too far out of this episode into the next but I wonder if we're going to have little asides with characters already seen and not necessarily once we spend a lotta time with just ones that have meant something throughout the series like family members. There's or just what is this going to look like for people coming into the good place from now on even if they're strangers and then do we focus back on the main people. I don't know I I do think that maybe they were trying to figure out. which part of in which plotlines was we're going to go into which episodes and so I'm wondering if you know this whole season is just it's got a map it's mapped out somewhere but like okay? Now we have to do this and this and this and this so this week is just the one where they figured out death again. Well they figured out the good place and talk about in the past this idea that it's really hard to actually envision a perfect place for people to be and this is kind of the same thing like an even duck before like eternity it is. You can't even grasp it. You can't even grasp and so you might have thought that people invented the good place would have found a way to make charity palatable for human minds because that's what it's about it's about being perfection and this episode says well. These writers couldn't do that either so don't make it a problem instead. And that's that's a decent sushi presenting the original group. Whoever they created the real good place didn't have an answer for it but these four people can come right away but they have gone through more than I guess your average people? I mean they'd be these. These giant lives. But Yeah Yeah somebody pointed out that the good place committee had never been humans and it took a human to figure that out outs they. That was their hand wavy explanation of explaining that callback to the eleanor. Line where she talked about so every every person is is a little bit. Saddle the time. You know that rings. True that that's true about people and I like that. They brought that a bit of a weightier aspect to enter this episode and into that previous said where they did that again it was just kind of over in a flash so but that you know we haven't necessarily gone through the the the remaining steps of the episode but there isn't really that much more to talk about in this episode. That's basically it. You know they go back to the party. They tell everybody they're gonNA die cheaters. Yeah and they go on. And there's a survey that much to talk about about the details of I will say that I feel sad for Janet because it seems like in the good place. Janet is relegated to just providing whatever anyone wishes she doesn't ever own and that's such a sad resolution for a character that has seen a lot of growth breath and that can't be it for Janet. There's got to be something else. It would be nice if she had like an episode where they went over what what happens to her and what she does what. What's your version of Paradise? But look yeah and maybe it's getting nobody anything ever the. The one thing that I noticed on my rewatch I thought was a little strange was that they had Janet's in the good place because when they first got there they're thinking thinking of things and they just like appear on their head in their pockets and then we see this Janet having to give this guy everything wishes for them like breath blaauw even if he just thinks about it the good place just puts it. They're just kind of confused me even Taco Bell Taco Bell got magically put their they didn't Nafta ask Janet for Taco Bell. I guess the Janet's He's like a concierge service you can either forget yourself your own on Taco Bell and you can have the best Taco Bell chosen for you. Buy a Janet like a virtual assistant assistant like Siri. I will only eat Taco bell brought to you by Janet. Now yeah that would probably be better again. Of course it's also briggs rigs up matters which I'm sure this show is going to handle matters of class break the WHO are the ones who are served and then there's the underclass the glass who serve them even heaven right. That's probably not where they were trying to go with this especially since all of Td's heroes are in the bad place because of slavery slavery slavery. Yeah that was a nice. That was a Nice Carlo. Janet's aren't human. There's some sort of weird and Algebra of something that yeah they. They're basically robots but especially advanced robots that can become into human-like which means that their basic human which lands in the Gulf question again? If you WANNA put their feet to the fire you know one of the ways is that people on our planet. Say that it's all right to have an underclass that serves you is to denigrate their humanity so again it's probably ended direction the show what's to go. Show that lets you think about all that stuff though and monkeys with go karts and McKee well and monkeys and then what. What else did he did? A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT HIPPOS DRACULA'S WITH JET packs. That's the what I wanted to see I will tell you and this goes out to whoever is listening. which is maybe dozens of people? I am petrified of monkeys. They were never be a monkey in my good place uh-huh well no nope. NOPE nope no no no. We'll have you ever ridden ago curtain now. I haven't done that either so that sounds just awful right. That's your that's what they would put you in in the in the FO good place. Michael was running for Tormenta. Yep Now I knew what to expect. Expect my first go round and this is I think a heavier has mentioned it in the past that you know when the good place in sort of maybe the first season or two where they didn't necessarily have the budget or the time to show all of these strange worlds that they were making off of jokes about and they showed us like the time knife. And things like that and this was kind of going back to earlier seasons where they didn't have the time to actually show it to you so they just got to describe it to you jason mentioning all of these crazy scenarios and we didn't see it and it was better that we didn't see it. Yeah Ah we did get to see a giant flying puppy so true. That's true. Did someone mentioned is call back to something I think it probably is. I Dunno no no Michael said he never thought of it before. He was mad at himself that he hadn't sit there. I mean they did sort of have unintentionally Salaam flying puppy in the first season when they kicked that puppy into the sun some intentional really in the end because we didn't know that ten so what else what else am I missing. What else about the plot or anything about the scenario of the people in Chidi? He is the only one who gets to meet someone. He's actually wanting to meet read. That's because there haven't been any new people into a good place in like five hundred years so his heroes are old enough that he could possibly meet. One of them is true. Yeah whereas they had stone colds Bedpan that for some. Some reason. Eleanor's first instinct was to smell. Smell it yes yes I said I was. There was not great. I don't know why she would do that but she did. They got some more use out of the shrimp dispenser. That will never not be funny. Although that party like the room that they held that party and would actually fairly like a low rent room the kind of room. You would hold a uh a community community center. Yeah like it just. They mentioned when Taty I told her party in the FO. Good good point but it was the hotel that Jason had his prom and traffic court. I heard him say something like that but I missed the context of they were in the Jacksonville super sweets or something like that goes were okay. That's where you would think though That Tahani would balk at that. When she walked through the door? Old Tahani would have this. Tony appreciates Jason to have been pretty underwhelming when they and they only showed any against Roy Moore budget but like there were maybe like fifty fifty to one hundred people in that room and it kind of felt like at times they were saying this is all the people in the good place. Yeah probably not. I would hope that it wasn't. It was more seven hundred people back then but I guess I liked that there was a concept of the doors that you could go into and just imagine up whatever you needed because that kind of filled the the need for being told but not shown which is what made the good place as long as a concept works so well for all these seasons so you still need those doors that like you can't see beyond them. I'm glad that they you did that. Because they were just so many things that they wouldn't have been able to do in that conference room. So it's official holiday in the good place even still the doors looked like they had like Wrapping paper for gifts on them it. It didn't look like a very official doors health very putting like last minute. which was Kinda weird it? It didn't it Mesh Ashbury well with the community center aesthetic but it also helped to to feel like sullenly berlow budgets chits which was weird. Will they spend all that money on the on the balloon the stem around. Yeah the flying poppy and did the joke machine. And then if we don't get to it during machine maybe we could talk rep up by Talk about what we think's going to happen. The next next couple of episodes we can we talk a little bit about it but maybe maybe predictions will and his predictions to what did people think was funny about this episode. I liked all of PATTIES attempts attempts to make words and think book man think book read man and talks about maths. Is the Samatha maths on my shirt or is it an s piles of numbers. I think was one of her ways of describing Matthew milkshakes stardust stardust. milkshake actually tastes good. I don't think so right. I don't know I've never tasted stardust when the the whiteboard ideas that they had to make the good place better besides the mini donuts regular size which was funny was a to wait until they got there and asked her to fix it. which is a callback to just CA? Perpetually Petula I liked win. Eleanor was asking Patty about how you get the of FDA your name it just hang out a lot is she. Eleanor of the cheesecake factory bar. I liked him. Cheese like connection over how to pronounce surname surname. Patia who patient all. The different varieties Michael's chosen signature the middle school girl with crushing. Second from with partly I I also like that Michael conjured the weed and then later smoked it. Yup Consistency within the absurd and eleanor's reaction to seeing Michael in the robe with this like they saw a two and a half old path and she tried to get a you'd acknowledgement from. GD and Chidi wasn't having any of that was fun the Finishing man saying he would have killed for vaccine. And it's crazy that you guys just don't like them now. Yeah that was that was nice sharp but he called Tani's response being that she had a a spin instructor named Fisher. I like the eleanor saying that. It's the instagram out of parties. You you also what under so the the actual party but maybe happens with instagram. Broke through so maybe accurate right All all the the philosophers in the bad place aristotle not suckers to annoying cloud chewier but then later notes waiver again and I thought they let Jason. DJ The party At the ends. Dj Music wasn't there a whole. There's a whole thing in one of the earlier episodes when they were going over his time on earth where he was trying to DJ party Freddie and he was just really bad es yes suddenly he's good at digital hang on rage. Maybe you can be good at whatever you want in through. That's true it's quite buff. Janet was very proud of him that was she was excited. That was her boyfriend. I didn't like this line but I am happy. It gave me something to do in that. Eleanor asked her to chat people up and learn about them and then come back and make fun of them together. which didn't seem like it was really early in the spirit of the place otherwise Tani would have had nothing to do and everyone else was off doing their own things? So like Tani's line about feeling like Dorothy in the wizard of Oz because she was so much taller than everyone that was good. Yeah what she's also the one who diagnosed that When the new people start coming in from the better system it would be like cosmic coachella? We learned another one of Tani as many godparents is the clock big then the actual range line. Just just no explanation for that at all. Just that's it Jason's conversation sation about the doctor. How his brain is smooth as an awesome? Oh Yeah Oh Jason. And then he called Eleanor smooth brain later because she didn't like and when When Michael was getting the the ceremony getting the new robe? And the the whatever the medallion was he said now. We know what Mary Lou Retton felt like which seemed like an odd thing to say but okay then then. He approaches the gang and he's like the committee is me. I am committee. It'd be like the Ray rod has already hitting him. They broke Michael Goal. Not Hard actually. At least you didn't have. We didn't have to get full into Michael having another midlife crisis they Raffarin instead. We didn't have to see it again. Yeah yeah that's right that's right. They did make them call back when he was when he was all groovy when he smoked weed at Dougy did feel like a call back to that episode Peta ever mentioned it specifically but yeah. Yeah that was. That was kind of fun to see him doing that when they first got there and she thought Michael looked a little sick. He said you could probably go ahead and throw up. It'll probably just be butterflies or something. Right I liked the to these these questions for like why and how. I'm not sure there's would be the best questions put okay. That's when he was asked he can go ahead and Janet was like coup- couple of lines when she was signing in. And she's like I was born to do this not born. Maybe they're not saying that but then the other one was when when she knew everything about the the good ways she said in a nutshell it's laps which which got good too. It's funny about this episode. Show me how much easier erased to believe something bad than something good like. I don't think that the show was a much more fleet on than the in other episodes but now that everything is great and perfect and places like fantastic. I immediately have like a a reaction like this is a TV show. They took me out of of the situation. And I'm sure that When Shawn said that there were flooding penises? And in Hell I. Didn't you didn't night to that. So that's that's interesting our program to to believe that the bug thing is going to happen instead of the young. Yeah I felt that way too. I mean mentioned it a little bit before. But if this were the finale it would not have been a satisfying finales even though it ends ends happily and we get to see everybody. Happy like there has to be more than this. And you know that going in which is what makes makes I think the next three half hours is a lot riding on it? Yeah let's talk about what we think's going to happen in. Do we have any more ideas about what we think might happen. I think I gave my shot there about the. We're GONNA see how everybody who lives in. Everybody chooses to die at the end. What other people think? I think they're going to have to do something interesting with Michael and Janet. 'cause I I don't necessarily think either of them can effectively choose their own demise Janet because she's not human and Michael because he's got a job now that like because he has his job that I'm not going to be unemployed if only that were true. Sarah real life girly forever. Yeah forever so the I mean my thought is those those you have to like. Watch their friends leave. which that's hard not to fund right? Yeah Yeah I get this feeling that maybe Jason will stay. He's so smooth rain any way that I don't think he couldn't get bored with such a big universe. There's so much to explore. and He's already gotten bored with this universe. Yeah he he's going more with like One one particular aspect but sure sure he has a lots to do and he has someone to to come along. That's not going to get bored. Not Unlike unlike Chidi and the like Eleanor so I think he has shelter to eternity. You know what you're this far friends are the first people that ever came into the the good place and had friends because if people were only coming every fifty or one hundred years even when they were getting people nobody arrived at the same time. I and everybody else. WHO's dull and happy brained already? You wonder if that's part of why it's boring because nobody ever made any relationships. Well can you I I mean can you procreate in the good place can you have descendants. I don't think so because you have in your bodies anymore no I mean Pantley can have orgasms all the time on earth is what what's his name said. The physiology doesn't seem too much like what happens on earth after all if you be it just comes flying. They need to know that at least have some bodily functions in the good place so here I will say that AH TD and eleanor. Just being happy is pretty boring. Yeah they didn't they didn't it did feel like they put out all the stops. This time they put him in front of this. Gorgeous was either sunrise or sunset. I should know which I don't offend you know and so you know having them this these all these markers of what. It's like to be happy but if you don't feel earned it and I know we've talked about this in the past that we don't necessarily like this this is the real deal that They can do all that stuff. And it still doesn't make it something that you're super gratified to see So yeah yeah it was Kinda boring I would have rather seen Jason and Janet be happy in the in the what is stupid Knicks. Janet has been stupid Knicks. The building come with her. Yeah all righty any other guesses as to what might be going on. I think we'll have to see. I like the iteration of the good place. Once they've put it in motion and have new people come in. Have US RECOGNIZE I. Some of those new people from four see how it all adapts. I don't necessarily think they're gonNA throw too many wrenches into the system will be more more like reflective but I'm wrong. I do hope there are like three more bottled up. Three more self contained individuals sort of hastily done conflict resolution conflict resolution comfort solution. I do hope to take advantage of the fact that the Vietnam War and have to do something but given the fact that they haven't necessarily been doing anything all that big for the last couple of episodes I guess we'll see it in some ways it this way it's hard to. It's hard to imagine not because I don't have any imagination nations what they could do. It's hard to imagine given how they've been handling things the last couple of episodes which is not great but again I'm willing to to sit up in my head and I could have it wrong. These are three half hour episodes. Not One hour. Yeah I think they might do it that way. Yeah I don't know I'd rather rather have them explore some some sort of conclusion in a single episode because these episode definitely felt Russia parts. And I don't want that to happen again. And if they split into three then that's a chance that's going to happen so maybe use the time I find it interesting that we're kind of going into this finale the same way we've gone into the last couple of season finales where they've sort of you've wrapped everything up already. I mean we know there's going to be an hour and a half at something more to get into but kind of all the storylines that we had going have all sort of been wrapped up and now it's like it. They're not jumping off for a new season. So what's going to happen in this final hour and a half. Maybe it's a backdoor act or pilot. I I'm sure that after it's over will will will as a group reflect on the series as a whole and come from just when everybody's mind was just blown at the beginning of the first season into now. I'm just hoping it. It ends on a high note that it's worth it to stick with it which there's been enough enough good episodes and characters that I liked that I would say that overall I'm happy with the show but it's it's always been trying to strive for those heights is that it can't always reach so yeah I want more. I want the season one finale kind of conclusion but I don't know that we're going to get well. We can all hope for another week before we actually see it too. Yeah all right. I think that pretty much anything else before we finish up nope I think so too. Thank by ghosts then Sarah Gardner thank you. Thank you good night. Ritu adamant thanks for being here. Thanks good night everyone vich thank you. Well thank Y'all and and C._N._N. next time.

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Washington Football Team Scandal

Jalen and Jacoby

40:00 min | 9 months ago

Washington Football Team Scandal

"Check your yourself. Dj Cavern here shows, and the Jalen and Jacoby show major keillor. Don't have play yourself. He is Jalen rose. We are Jalen and Jacoby. What is it? We do the people. What they! Happy Friday everybody. We have a lot of updates from the NBA bubble, but we start in the nation's capital where the Washington Post published an article with their discussed with fifteen former employees of the Washington football team who described a workplace rot with sexual misconduct Jalen what happens next. What should the NFL do? I'm disappointed in the League, because we've heard rumblings about this with that franchise a couple of years ago to incident with the cheerleaders now this. I haven't heard anything from two important people in this situation. Roger Goodell and Dan Snyder sought a letter that he put out wasn't distinct, wasn't strong show. No passion was really distant from the facts, so those are the entities I'm trying to figure where they stand in getting to the bottom of. What these allegations are to self police them by hiring affirm, basically internal is not actually. In an unbiased way I, hope the public as well as the other owners as well as the media continue to challenge Washington to do so so that we can actually figure out exactly what is taking place in that in that organization based on these allegations. I think it's important to acknowledge the Dan Snyder himself was not named as one of the perpetrators in this published report, but some of the details were just extremely disturbing and frankly disgusting, groping encouraging female employees to dress a certain way, and to flirt with people in order to get deals done and nicknames, and just really really felt like like a really unhealthy work. Environment and I think it's also indicative of the Old Boys. Network. The way that things are done and speaking about women's. Our country is just just having a reckoning about the way that people are treated and especially in the workplace I mean I think that this behavior is is disgusting at a Happy Hour Bar, but in a place of work in a professional environment, this is absolutely no place for it and I really think that there should be distinct and severe punishment in Washington DC Jalen. What do you think? I. Agree with you and again it starts with the power. The owner of the team is Dan Snyder the commissioner of the NFL Roger Goodell. Those two entities have to figure where they stand on situations like this because this is really uncomfortable. The NBA dealt with this recently with mark. Cuban and a Dallas Mass. Let's see how they handle it. See how they handle it well. The NFL has a lot of other problems as well. And those are detailed by one of the star players Jj Watt is often criticized for what he puts on social media, but what he put on social media recently was really eye-opening, and he said listen an interest of having everyone on the same page in terms, but we know and don't know what this time here a few things and he went on to list things they'd know and don't know. It's so sweeping and basic. What about testing? How often would we be tested? Will there be preseason games in, and he also reminds us that this is just forty eight hours away from rookies. Purporting to camp jails I want to show you as well is when you look at a map of what the corona virus doing to this country, and you look at the NFL teams in certain areas. If you look at this fourteen day, average of daily cases per one hundred thousand people and look at those teams at the southern part of our country, there are so many teams in hotbeds that I. Just don't see a way in which you can hold practices, hold meetings and have as many people together in one place without spreading this virus. Just how much jeopardy do you think the NFL season is? Extreme jeopardy. I don't see a super bowl champion being crowned. In, normal fashion and I'm not talking about what we're seeing in the NBA. Because the differences, those players are in the bubble. The NFL players will not be in so many times. They're going to encounter with one another thirteen hundred them. Coaching staffs trainers. The list goes on and on their family in France when they leave the game so endless people that they're going to come in contact with which means based on what you just showed the opportunity for them to contract the and door. It continues to spread and. It's GonNa. Be Tough for them to get to a super bowl. Champion based on these dynamics. I I don't see it happening I i. just don't see it happening. One thing I've learned is I've stopped predicting. What's GonNa Happen the future when it comes to this virus, because it is so unpredictable because I mean back in March. I thought the corn. She was GONNA last a couple of weeks. I like really thought that in my head. I thought the corn she would last a couple of weeks and life would be back to normal, but. I'm looking at what's happening right now in the moment. Look at the facts and. NFL season. Happening I, hope we get NFL football, and if we get NFL football, he will be like noticing. You've before, and there will be players testing positive every single week well. Moving onto something that you discuss very often any time there is a vacant head coaching job in the NBA One name always comes up in. That is our colleague in your former teammate. Mark Jackson will. There are some rumors and some rumors are that Mark Jackson might join us here in the tri-state area and head over across the river to Brooklyn to be the head coach of the mets. Fit I'm not Naseer John's, but you're trying to put me in the New York state of mind both those teams. Are Potentially want to replace their head coaches so I'll tell you who I believe. Should be the next replacements prove I'm that man. Here's what I do. I get Tyron Lou, and I bring Sam Casella. We Walk Into Doc rivers office been a grave, Ron hopefully declared was championship this year, but dot. We're going to the east coast. Toronto has a previous relationship with Kyrie irving that we know about an will garner the respect of Kevin Durant. Jason Kidd, and or Mark Jackson ship be in play for the Knicks Job Mark Jackson should be played for both jobs as we hear rumblings date K. D., potentially wants to see him standing on the sideline. Those are the candidates if I was choosing and how it will play out. So jalen always very cheeky about this. Those are the candidates that I would choose. That's how it would play out. Do you know something? Have you spoken to people that have hinted that? Perhaps this is how it's going to play out. It's not a done deal till it to done deal, but eat scenarios. Look at two different things. If you the New York Knicks you need somebody on the sideline would experience of building something from the ground up and credibility that's going to allow the patients for the other guys in the locker room defense in the media away way for the half. If you're the nets, you need somebody who's going garnered or instant respect of Korean K. D. and that's why I feel like. Mark? Jackson could fit in both of those situations, and it'd be interesting to see how it plays up. If I was the Brooklyn Nets I would call Kyri Katie on a three way call and I would say who should I hire because I want them to be happy? The New York Nets. Organization is going to go as far as Katie and Kyrie. Take it, so you want to make sure that they have buying on who the head coach is. The! New York Nets you such a die fan. Brooklyn Brooklyn New Jersey. Brooklyn Nets I I can't and also, if you look at those four great point, guards Lou Casella. Jackson like GIN. Those are all great point guards. Moving on Jalen to the bubble, it has arrived. The beard is in the bubble. We've got footage of James Harden. We didn't really know where he was. He's a bit too late in joining the team, but he is there in Orlando playing with the team looking fit getting buckets. The more and more think about this and I speak with you in particular Jalen. The more and more I think the rockets are a real threat to those to La Teams in the West. What do you think about the beer in the bubble? We talked about that. The LA teams are going to be favorites and rightfully so in the bucks in the east, but a couple of other squad wash for in the West. Portland trailblazers the they get in. In Houston Rockets. They have to MVP guys. This is going to be playing small ball. J. Tucker, at the five with ninety three pairs of shoes. He's ready to be there three months, and we talk so much about who can put the ball in the hoop. The gentleman you just showed that left is the actual version of a walking bucket and nobody's score more points in the paint since January then Russell Westbrook when they opened up the power by train, Clint Cappella so I agree with you, sir, they are ally team as it relates to upsetting the apple car. And Jalen I have to correct you on something because we are very serious journalists. We WanNA. Make sure we get our facts correct. He has ninety one pairs of sneakers in the bubble, ninety three pairs of sneakers in the buffets WanNa, make sure that we were very clear on how many pairs of sneakers PJ Tucker has, it is time for you and I review some video, so we're going to the table. Jalen often. I'm over prepared for this program, but this video in particular. I made sure I did not watch because the production staff is so excited about this crossover, and you know I love pickup basketball. Let's take a look this video together and go to the table. All Right, oh. Oh, gotTa make the jumper. Crossover in and out just to now I've ever seen Oh with the laugh. GotTa speed the right. When you thought that particular type of concrete court is very slippery like this particular particular type of concrete court is particularly slippery. It's kind of like a a running track almost. Call it putting somebody on skates and look at being. Low with his shirt off all school shirts skiing. He's. Right now. You gotTa make that One thing I wanNA point out comey we need. More Time Plan. WE'RE TALKING See Him. Hoodie I WANNA. See how? Let's go play with respect the fact that he would still. Contest the shop, so he'd not only did he fall down and got right back up to contest the shot. That's defense that is defense. We will be right back mixture you stay tuned. You are watching Jalen and Jacoby. Could. You believe that movement drives US forward that every mile travel brings us one step closer to our goals, but good you're also believes in the importance of arrest, stop and taking a breather to pause and reflect on the road ahead. Sometimes it's all we need to keep going a moment to compose ourselves before we start moving forward again. So as you get ready to start moving again, good years here to help visit goodyear dot com to learn more goodyear. More driven with surprisingly great rates state farm is the real deal in car in home. Insurance State Farm agents are ready to help personalized service, so you can customize your insurance. All of this is backed up by award-winning easy use technology. You can manage your coverage in pay. Your bill and file claimed with the state farm mobile APP. It's a great price with even greater service so when you want the real deal. Like, a good neighbor! State farms their. Welcome back to Jalen and Jacoby. It is time for jalen favorite segment where he gets to decide what we discuss. It is called Wu Tang. Wu, Tae. You want to discuss the topic. Say hit the brakes. If not even method man, keep it moving. We start with Ezekiel. Elliott clapping back. Some haters gave. The brakes. He went on twitter and he felt disrespected, and he wants everyone to put some respect on his name Jalen. What do you think about Zeke going off on social media? You play a lot of pickup basketball. That's why you inexpert. The same reason why he plays football and there's a game called King Court then acknowledged. Who's the best right now? And he may be better this year. Well, let's not act like last season Christian McCaffrey. What Ned deal? Running the football catching out of the backfield. Long runs. He was the best back in the game last year. Let's just own it. We'll see what Saquon we'll see what Ezekiel. GonNa do this year and I'm excited especially that who didn't get the long-term deal that he wanted, it's going to be enthusiastic. Play with his new weapon CD land. Well Tom Brady has a bunch of new weapons, and we have an update on one of those. Keep it moving or the brakes hit the brakes. I love these stories every off season you get these stories about how much someone muscle put on, and now we have Ronald. Jones built up to two hundred twenty five pounds in the quarantine, and he claims his hands are going to be better, and he's ready to deliver for his new quarterback Tom Brady. What do you think about impulse in matters of his case Jacoby because? He had a Kerry share in the backfield last year. Because of his size, a lot of people don't believe he can run between the tackles. And, so if he wants to be at three now back, he's going to have to get bigger and stronger show. He can pass protect, and those are the things that he's talking about with Tom. Brady back there especially at forty three years old. Pass protection is gonNA. Be Paramount in his job. You don't WanNa be that guy that misses. A block can get Tom Brady her. Jalen. You just made a really good point. Because Tom Brady is not exactly an elusive quarterback. You know he's I mean he's slow, but he's also not like Big Ben People. Don't fall off Tom. Brady Tom. Brady goes down when he's in front of him and pass. Protection is important. Point by you Jalen rose. Now we have an update. Someone disagrees with what one of our guests said on. The program guested movement on our show the brakes. Hopkins said that he was d best wide receiver in the NFL and I agree however Michael Thomas. Now Ninety nine in matted. Jalen the Madden team is famous for their rigorous research. When it comes to these ratings, do you think Michael? Thomas is the best receiver in the NFL. Freddie give said he catching blessings like Micheal Thomas. He's right there. He really is my Thompson I know. He caught the most balls, and Julio's the the just powerfully in physically gifted, but I think de'andre. Hopkins is the best combination of those two players. That's why said it while he was on the show, and I'm looking for Odell to have a bounceback season. It really is and what gender. was doing before Deshaun Watson joined the team I. Think solidifies him as the best wide receiver in the game and deep threaten over the middle and Michael. Thomas is isn't going isn't the deep threat that some of these other receivers are? Let's say that moving on back to the bubble. Some bad news for the Boston Celtics keep moving or hit the brake breaks Nestle. Hembo, Walker says he has some lingering knee issues, but he's not concerned Jalen. If I were the celtics or a Celtics, Fan I would be concerned. What do you think about the statement? I'm definitely concerned because a couple of weeks ago, outside of the bubble on a blank canvas. I was like there's a team that can beat the bugs and win the east. Not In Milwaukee, it will be the Celtics. You know I've seen a couple of reports that are disturbing injury Wass one Gordon. Hayward seemed to be dealing with an injury still and now Kim Walker, and if either one, definitely, both of those guys are hobbled. That elevates other teams like the Philadelphia Seventy sixers in particular. It does feel like it was two decades ago, but if you remember when there was NBA basketball, not that long ago, Jason Tatum was having a star turn. Jason Tatum was on an absolute tear right before the season was suspended and looking for two things from him. One is going to keep that weird haircut to continue. That he was on when the Sarah now where he just got good hair. Not Big Fan, not a big faith if he goes if he goes to for eight from the field that cut halftime then I slowly. I. Wish I could do that from some bad news for the Celtics to some bad news for the bucks, keep moving or hit the brakes. We'll keep it movin for now. Eric Bledsoe get into the bubbling. Help your team. We. Keep it moving. We keep move. Jalen. The dynamic duo of DJ CAL and drake have to new songs. Keep moving or another race. Hit the brakes. We release to sauce. POPSTAR and Greece and These yet. I listened to him. I haven't studied. Them is Friday afternoon Jacoby when we get off work, have a couple of beverages. Listen to the songs studied them. Get into a mode. Listen to the first. One And another one? And another one. And another one. I'll be looking out for that, and you should also be looking out for ESPN high pits. That is a new brandon ESPN will. They'll be releasing music. Check that out and check us out. We'll be right back. Thank you between two. Jalen Jacoby on television every day at four, but the experience is not stop there. Make sure you subscribe to our podcast, but we always have exclusive content just for the pod. That is too hot. Welcome back to Jalen and Jacoby. Jalen Dwight Howard. Says that someone called the anonymous tip hotline and tattled on him for not wearing a mask. Do you think that actually happened? I. Applaud that whistle blower. Absolutely wear a mask Washington new. Would you understand the rules? That apple. I see every day I'm in the streets of New, York, and people are just walking around, not wearing masks just where a mass however I do, think the tips or the call. The hotline was not taking serious. There are probably a teammate of is kind of just trying to get him in trouble. You know that's really what happened. You know that's really what happens. If was not someone concerned about the health, this is someone just trying to mess with Dwight Howard! Godwin Howard's back glad, House. Moving on Jalen! Make stallion are both huge fans of hers. She was injured recently. She said she was shot in the foot. You want wish her speedier covered. Absolutely we want to wish our speedy recovery as you mentioned. We're huge fans of hers. And when all of this ends up blowing over, we'll get are on the show to talk about it. Let's do that. Jalen, this is a story that is very. Important to a lot of people, NASA. Has said that there is a thirteenth Zodiac sign. You're really. They said that when they created the constellations Wa. Thirteenth Zodiac sign. What do you think of this new information? I'm an Aquarius I. Don't know too much about Zodiacs. What do you think? Well. We have to bring a character on the program. For this topic, we need negative Jakob. You know what I think. I think this is stupid. I, think none of this matters. Zodiac signs are ridiculous. I think that when you were born. Why what stars in the sky and the stars above us right now have absolutely no influence over what happens on this planet. Do how far away those stars are. You help how many years it would take to even get there and you're like. Oh, I'm Moody Today Oh! It's probably because Mercury's retrograde. That's why things are going wrong. I think that Zodiac signs are so stupid anytime. Someone asked me what my Zodiac sign is a judge, a little bit, and even worse than. Asking, someone what their sign is some sort of attempt at picking somebody up like that is flirtatious. It's not gonNA. Work. It is not going to work I judge all. Really into astrology I was going. Say It out loud and I understand you're going to me on twitter and I understand. You're gonNA yell at me. You're telling me I'm wrong, but I. Know I'm not wrong because you're trying to tell me that. Stars in the sky are affecting how I behave on earth is just not right. Let off my runaway, my brother and Weekend Will Be. Highly questionable next. 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Please make the company pay for this. If you call nine eight five eight zero, Jalen. You can leave us a voicemail and leaves a voicemail Brianna is filtering voicemails and picking the good ones? Brie on. Make it worthy of the show to get passed on. We have today Brianna. BRIANNA! Jj. What did you do this? Longtime listener caller. You Boys Preston. Aka P from Houston grilling. Jay, I know Jalen I, know you. Have a love. Grilling and Kinda take behind the curtain grilling message. You know obviously I'm assuming you use a gas. Real chuckle, chuckle You know recently converted and I will admit gases superior way to grill united select charcoal to Jamie. How do you do? You foil on the grill. Cover up your grapes the You know. Did you season grill? With, oil and things like that with paper towel before you know usually I use it. How do you do a man? Take US behind the curtain. Off You so much for giving the people what they want. Before you answer the question Jalen. Did. You have him calling say that. Because I know that there is nothing that you would rather talk about then your grilling techniques I think that you definitely this is someone in your family. That was troy. Have Natural isn't it was? You call this number ninety five eight zero. Jalen leave a voicemail asking you how I grill now, Jalen, you can have the floor grill master Jay. How do you grow? You get to live in a heartbeat of new. York but you don't get to grill outside I. do bills me every day kills me every. No, that makes you jealous I know you just heard hating your voice. I just heard you. Oh Man! Is this somebody your family? Oh, you WanNa talk about grilling. You know what you used to talk about when you was in La Yoga Grilling Love Crillon you gotTA. To. Remember girl. You forgot how much you loved. It used to always talk about your group. But now it's my turn 'cause I been consistently grilling for ten years and thank you for the car. You said he represents Houston. AP's towns. Would you say? I said. Shout Preston is his name P from Houston so to tell. You. Know what you do. Got Him I got. A couple of things Preston. Using charcoal the equivalent of using a VHS tape. Never again. It just it just not as effective, is not as efficient burns the food. The smoke. Sometimes. It just not just not as effective. AS THE GAS GRILL! You know. Do you ever seen a movie? Beat street will Rameau saw new white subway to speak in. Pain on. He's like course white one. It was like I felt win. The Harare Cheese came out of the box when I was in college. Wall that's off felt when I just bought a grill two weeks ago, chess bought a grilled two weeks ago. Big Shout the Myron. Had the Homey who got a cousin. Couples the grill together. took him about two three out today that to make sure he had a couple of beverages may show has eggs whatever you need, dog gotch took up the group. Both We tip tip tip. He good both. I now we set up. Do I use full I do. Initially a particular because. I wanted to Babysit the grill. So put a Pan Woodson some foil. On the side of the grill where. You don't want things to fall through. So that's the side that you will make your seafood or your lot, you lobster or your fish. And then you have the grill side so the seafood salad like two or three knobs as I'll call them, and then the other three knobs is grill site. Full Don that oil on that. Topic Oh you know what I popped on there. You appreciate POPs couple of sausages on there because it was still. Pop sought. A couple of Links patties. Public. On their pop. Yeah with honey patty, no question I liked. You, grill the sausages, and some of the grease drips down into the fire and flames. Talk to me. That's why you do sausage that that's how you killed off I'm showing them how to kick it off. This. You know this is this is how you got those sausages on patties. I'm telling. and. Also had. A little burner. Had A couple of fried eggs Golan. Flip attack of the sausage. Got The eggs going. And then over here, the little burner side where I'll say it seafood, you pop on a possible potatoes on their. Plus potatoes on their. Potatoes most underrated food in the group. Cut Him Slice Dyson Can as well a twice baked sweet potato, Baked Potato Mashed Potato Hash Brown. It, don't stop it all so Bo! Let does right? So before you know it. Brother was their minds was there? I looked over to the left Jacoby. Had the four seasons brunch going when Goss all four. Aries got some cherries watermelon pineapple up. Let me just tell you something so a lot of people listen to this podcast are not super famous millionaires, so they might not know exactly what the four seasons is, but I was lucky enough to go there. One time in Los Angeles. The foresees brunch is the most elaborate luxurious buffet situation I have never ever. Ever, seen in my whole entire life, it's wild the quality of the goods they have their like we've all been been two buffets, but we haven't been buff as like this like gourmet, food, and Sushi and breakfasts and dinners and roasts and chicken and everything everything you could possibly imagine is right there, and it's all at the highest quality and with all I. was there one time and I don't like to tell stories about celebrities that when I just like SAR. Whatever but I'm sure this German will mind, so imagine everything is at your fingertips. Every single thing is available to you anything. You can imagine Al Pacino's like two tables away from me. He's just like. Let me get two fried eggs toast. Please like you came all the way here dog. You came all the way to the four seasons. Where all everything in the world is available to you. You just have to go. Get it and you want a diner breakfast Jutta Allergy. And indeed was just talking in our ear about a gift card for him to go. Let me tell you when it's pandemic and I would love to take the entire staff. To, a four seasons Brunch, okay nineteen, ninety, four the La- Montrose Hotel, Jalen rose got introduced to California, and I will stand between their end the four seasons I was walking to the four seasons Brunch with a role on slippers, corns out heels out lotion. Everything can tell me not. GOING TO UCLA I. Just got my money parking. My car will really in the front. You know I have Valet Lee Makar right here you. Go. Just leave it right here. Someone biggie walked by. He said you say. So. Here's how you kick out the so I'm giving them a whole lifestyle of the cooking, so don't underestimate the appetizers I just gave you. Boom has some red. Cherries seasons green grapes, watermelons had pineapple. Couldn't bowls have a fresh. I'm look good. put him out on the table. Fresh juice, orange, juice, pineapple juice water. By Senate all and boom. And before you know I just whipped up the eggs. Got The sausage patties, going. Got The potatoes going. You know what's missing. Chop up these onions. Tell these. Drop them off in these potatoes. Just let this thing says well. Let's drop a little. This is getting a little sizzle government for you know it. I'm like Jesus in the kitchen. Before he was rapping, I just got both risk going negative negative. Negative negative wrist. The. Four Seasons brunch served. Asked brother Kale. Gino wife Moms Troy town I just air by eating good and. Out I was like y'all don't even understand what is happening right now. What they understand. What's happening right now? Already had the jerk seasoning going with the full wings in the big city blocks. Shaking them up, sekine them up shaking him up shaking him. Boom dropped ozone their saying. Didn't. Make sure the size of the grill, burning a little fast at another's this got to be a scientist. This. Real estate is different. Parts of it is burning fast got gotta flip. Them got moving. Watch it to that first hour. I'm just watching him really babysitting. Gingrich. Getting through questions. And so at that point is often often running h tau. Let's get it. As to questions. There's a term and Chris. If you're looking, you're not cooking. Do you, do you have? Is the grill open when you're cooking? My Grill Open Ninety nine percent of the time. Nine percent of the time. See Closet when I watch it sometimes, and here's no. You can't be lazy real. Lazy something. I need to learn to learn how to use direct and indirect heat like if you have like a thick like steak, you're supposed to kind of chart on direct heat and then kind of let it cook on indirect heat in like a like. Maybe don't turn on or turn one on low and the others on high. Do you have different sections of your grill at different temperatures? Well, this is the point I was trying to make to you. I don't like to cook on high anyway. Like soda pop it on. Once it gets up and running for ten fifteen minutes, I'm island down even all the way to medium. Like this and we ain't cooking nothing. We burn nothing okay, and like I just told you there different parts of each of your grills. Say Three of them. That can faster than others so. At the at my coast Korea my left burner. Is the second. Fastest Cooker, the middle is the first in the right is the slowest. So to your point, if I was making a steak and I wanted to grill some char something. I know which ones a faster than the others. That's why I keep it open, so I can watch it. And then you learn the grill. That's why when you go to somebody house. Two things you own, do stand in front of their grill or sitting there favorite chair. How many people came to your crib? You had to be like I. Know You comfortable right there? And you walk. But that's my seat. We. We got one of those couches. Things called sexual, or whatever where it's like it's an l shaped couch. You'RE GONNA mean wherever it is. Six three plus. And I want upstretched stretch on my legs I'm comfortable in my leg stretched out every time I watch TV. Wife got the lake stressed out. Always if I, it was, my leg stretched out, she sits next to me and puts her legs on top of my legs. Every time. I never seen in my favorite spot in a never ever. Never do. Waiting. At least you get to use it when she's not there. Like depot, even then a new feel, right, it doesn't even right. BIGSHOTS A P in Houston for calling and make sure you call them. Nine, eight, five, eight, zero Jalen to leave US voicemails reincorporating those back into the show also. I want to dedicate this podcast Eric Garner six years ago. Not the, he was the first person at the hands of law enforcement to be killed for murder or lynched. But in the modern day he was the one that was recorded. Saying I can't breathe. and. As. We now see video of George Floyd. In Minneapolis Also echoing I can't brief while while calling for his mom. Being murdered at the knee. On his neck of a police officer for almost nine minutes. I'll just say that. Jacoby in sports for example. One of the main ways that I see that some progress is trying to be made. Claes out. No further than Roger Goodell himself. Yet they still blackball connor capture nick for a stance but Roger Goodell knows that how they felt about that and twenty, sixteen seventeen, and how they feel about it in twenty twenty. Even if you'RE GONNA upset. Some of your fans is probably best to err on the side of humanity. and. I. Wish I could say the same thing in society is. There's so many names that come to my mind and I wish I was naming off time great players that I watched in performed or entertainers that I celebrate in have gone to their movies when I name Trayvon. Martin Tamir Rice Ahmad Aubrey. Brianna, Taylor. and. I just hope that this eclipse is I'm going to call it an. That's taking place. With an uprising of oppressed people, allowing their voices to be heard. That when we now have this conversation for years from now we're keeping score like a game and trying to the individuals the corporations. The actually did what they said that they were GONNA do. Recipe Sarah Gardner. Black lives matter. Well put Jalen rose. We'll be back on Monday. Why is that? We're not done. We're not done. We're not done.

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Concarneau y 3 islas bretonas: Belle Ille, Batz y Glenan

Podcast RadioViajera

11:09 min | 1 year ago

Concarneau y 3 islas bretonas: Belle Ille, Batz y Glenan

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576: The Good Place S4E1 Review: "A Girl from Arizona (1)"

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576: The Good Place S4E1 Review: "A Girl from Arizona (1)"

"Yeah I'm not really into birds but you might be into this book. It doesn't like fun L. E. Likes to play it. She just presses the honked but over and play it in the car. I I think what is that stuff. It had a very fun thing to yet when you're eight. It's even better in your mom's like glare at you. Welcome back to Jim Cockroach podcast about the good place a weekly comedy on NBC by Mike Sure. I'm heavier. Mississippi each and let me introduced my co hosts Sarah Gardner Hi Sarah Hello. How's it going great. I'm glad to see you guys ish yeah. It's so fun and we have Andhra Pontius Andrew. It's good to be back for the beginning of season four yeah the end and getting on the end yes yes. That's a few weeks up. Suddenly we don't have have Rachel to join us this week but she's going to be with us next week. So that's good what we'd be. DARTH vader turn heard this week maybe not is that what we're calling out of town weddings now so today we're tackling the season premiere of the latest on the last season of the places you mentioned it's titled. AGO from Arizona and the game takes over the Suda place within the architect while the demons are choosing to humans to be improved in the plot we meet the remain in humans Linda boring a`region woman that Hanifi yourself is really a demon and Brent the Corporate Golf La in Asshole asshole. We all know one despise. The gang has triumph figure out what each human steel is eleanor struggles to balance her role as architect take an Habersham Chidi and Simone together and in the blood deragon. Jason are competing for Janet slow while she's feeling overwhelmed by her chores assimilate during chief for the experiment by the end of the episode the Demons Bruce Regarding Linda is uncovered and the judge. DMZ Very bad indeed and decides that as punishment GD will be the fourth subject to protest of the demons and mixed feelings from our heroes alike. I think of the episode I know in seasons past the initial episode of the season has been an hour long and this one is but instead instead of being both on one week it split into two weeks and I actually really liked that. It was nice to have a half hour just come packed and ready to roll for for the next one and I feel like it got a lot of ZIP. it it kept pace the whole time which some of these you know they really have to get the exposition going before you can get back and actually. I found myself forgetting a lot of stuff that happened last season. I probably could've used a little bit more of the previously on the good place. You know it felt like old times. It felt like they're really trying to get this last season going so yeah really have things going now but I feel the other way. Regarding the length of the episode I was expecting something more and suddenly nope just twenty twenty minutes and so I checked the name of the episode and it says part one and say okay so maybe I have to get to and bought sue doesn't Komo a week and it was pretty disappointing really agree Andrew Well I. I don't remember if if I knew exactly that it was going to be that we're only going to get the first half of the of the hour I do know that the the bid at the end where it said to be continued felt unusual so it really felt like this was them being very very explicit about the fact that the episode was going to continue next week so I didn't have to anywhere to to find that because at that indicated to me what was going on and I also felt like your idea. The interesting thing about the seasons that we've seen so far is in general and I've said this before. I'm going to say it again. They have this pattern of having these moments of high drama moments of chaos and then they kind of settled down for a couple of episodes where they go through a new a new regular state a new equilibrium where then like we kinda work through do whatever they've decided is the problem of those couple of episodes of of that particular state of affairs and it doesn't feel like we've gotten to that point. I don't think we can think I don't think we're supposed to think I don't think anyway that training. These are training. Hello whatever they're going to be doing to improve these. Humans is actually going to be the main problem of the next three or four episodes because they just aren't that interesting and they aren't that compelling as people and I think I also discussed the school. The last round the remaining humans that were given also phoned that pattern they're kind of jerks without any redeeming qualities like our people are heroes. We're for jerks when they started out too but they were likable jerks like they were all sort of for one reason other people that we wanted to pay attention to and the new people just aren't and so. I don't think they're going to try to replicate that beginning process again with these. There's going to be other stuff going on that. We're GONNA WANNA do mostly having to do with our people. That's kind of what I got away from this first episode. We've got new folks that were in theory. Were supposed to be teaching but they're still not as interesting as our folks so there's GonNa be more stuff going on with them and you know the the plots were what was it like to Janet is trying to keep a hold on everything with her you know with with keeping track of what was. Brent and the whole simulation and everything else kind of that feels like her ongoing plot and then Jason dealing with Derek was one who knows if that's going to continue but you know they're giving each of the people's something each people do eleanor is doing with the fact that Chidi isn't isn't GonNa remember her anymore and she's got a deal without all that stuff is much more interesting than whether Brent is going to become a better person to me so I I do think that they gave us some interesting things to try to but I'm going to reserve judgment until the second half because I do think think that's part of this whole heightened drum at the beginning. We don't know we don't know where everything's GonNa land yet. Yeah that's interesting because I took it at face body that we had to train join these humans and not saying this it makes me rethink the future of the the season but I I still think that we're probably going to see these characters develop into something more palatable and entertaining that than series right now oh but yeah you're right that the most interesting is always going to be our characterised but I feel like we can grow to love new characters Thursday. If we get in a reason to the really bad yeah no I had I had thought and I don't know that I'm going anywhere with which is my normal state. I guess the the thought I had was that we are noticing. Our original group changed due to the fact that these people are here. I don't think we ever would have seen Jason hit that button so quickly. I feel like maybe they're watching our people get worse and judging them on points because Eleanor's Jealous Chidi basically a blank slate Jason is also jealous but sort of not handling handling it well and and honestly I do feel like Johnny got the short end of the stick again. There's nothing going on with her this week and then you know you got. Janet and Michael Too Susa wondering if the point system is still based on the initial four or plus Michael and Janet. I don't know but watching them as they they are interacting with these new people yeah. That's an interesting breath. I could get on board with that. It just felt so sudden that Jason would be able to do that just boom there went derek feel very out of character but he also had a lot of Nice moments like he confronted the Derek reasonable manner at first and to be pretty insane so I don't know I argued about giving him a pass. It's farts episode is the first episode is always crazy like Andrew says well. I don't know if Jason it has been someone who has been indecisive. He's not very smart but I don't know if we've ever known him to not do not get into things quickly so I I it didn't occur to me to think that he wouldn't have pressed the button because especially with mindy saying over over and over again. Yeah just do it. It's not him that probably does have some sort of. I don't know I I feel like at least to one extent. Chidi and Simone are both there to torture eleanor and as we see her kind of sliding away from all the good things she's learned learned then she has to snap back into it. At some point. Eleanor has really gone to a bad place yet. We haven't seen in her slide into meanness or coolness yet. I'm sure we'll see something some of that. It just feels like a test for her yeah yeah she's a she's having to be a leader in a more explicit sense than she has been in the past. She's really been the leader of the group in the past as well but I think now she's sort of feeling the burdens of being charged with something having something writing on her that they're going to. They're going to succeed and you again. She was kind of doing that before in too because she was basically the leader of the group and the group is in trouble but now she's really got that. She's basically Michael in certain ways yet. I think we're going to see she her kind of snap a little and we saw that too bad Janet I think bad Janik came there specifically to try to deflate eleanor to really hurt hurt her by giving her all of these harmful. He's hurtful things to say to her like weren't smart enough to figure it out and you know I want are probably didn't even think think that way like maybe she did but she didn't have external people trying to trying to bring it down like that before so I do feel that that's going to be part of her. Journey is his battling under the weight of command of of being in charge of authority and then pulling it out in managing to make it work yeah but I really liked that. Michael really stood up for an YEP. I hope that support is going to still be there for the next few episodes because us. She's going to need a greedy when his his much better than he is a captain. It feels yeah yeah except maybe he's not really the Michael by the end of the please not only do you think they switched him. Oh they said there's a Michael Suit and he went into the train and he came back out. Oh my God that would be amazing amazing. Wow okay now. I'm going to think about that week yeah he. He went to go handcuff. Chris on the train and you know at some point some I forget who someone says forgive us. If if we think you're going to cheat again so to Sean so you know. I got to think that that's not really Michael. I got I gotTa wash it again now to Dec- if there are any will tell in his performance for that her well I mean he says Bhutia allot was that after yeah yeah that was after he came back yeah and it sounded like very specific the situation code code word to like tell Sean we did it. Do you think it's I don't know who it is. Did you remember who they said was actually in the Mike Sue the first time now but I'd like to imagine it's Sean because I think that's funny well. The other demon was my guess. He's been wired funny with the other demon who was Gwenda was Chris. who was the mailman demon fray could be? Glenn 'cause they. All Hate Glenn even when they're singing. They don't like when Glenn comes on well they did have that one scene near the beginning where they were doing so the mirror image of Michael's inspirational speech and then Shawn's dispense inspiration Jenner what you would call it but he and he mentioned all of these demons by name in Szanto speech. You know he took what was it you know. I'm forgetting the name bond of blood John Val Val right and then Glenn yes it could be away land area yeah. That's really yeah. That's a good point and just guessing I have no idea you're coming up with some pretty good guesses though so wrong by next week why didn't see the wind apart coming either like. I thought she was just GonNa be it really boring person resolve that pretty much right at the ANDROID ray quickly in a way that I was not expecting but there was a lot of stuff that happened this week. It was fairly early. Pour heavy thing ranked because there was a lot of people involved characters and there were a lot of things happening simone. We haven't talked too much about Simone. taking the whole thing is is a is a WHO's nation. I think that's really clever like using her profession to debunk the good place. I think that is not something they would have anticipated so it makes sense that she's just walking around like yeah. None of this is real by yeah because breath eleanor at the beginning she feels like they know her and this is a great way of showing that they don't really know her a lot besides what they experienced based on earth that time red and so she could both be jeopardizing her own state of mind the experiment and then other people as well so she's the real the big plot point of this episode. It feels like Yeah Ben yet at the same time that means she's not really much of a character in this episode because there's no wait for her to grow any way no way for her to wear anything because she's busy being the the the impediment of the episode the Big Yeah and that's the the point of Herbie and believing that the good place is really a hallucination that she can't improve so yeah for for for various reasons. She's just applaud pointing this episode guests so if we're talking about the other. New People if Linda Jeff weren't a surprise like she ended up being into just boring. I think she would also drive me crazy. She was starting to drive eleanor crazy. I don't mind John the gossip columnists that much but it's possibly also because you know to hunt. He didn't have anything to do so maybe this week. I don't mind intimate next week. I'll hate him. I don't know answer. Brent is the worst. I'm sure that we have lots more to say about that but boys he terrible he's really it's. It's really hard to imagine him improving to the point where we will actually care much about him. he's what racist sexist. He's in his his. Whole job? was something that it's no one even understands at all. you know eleanor tries to jump in and get something and just got shot down. He's Captain Marvelous. That's not okay. Union allowed to make fun one of Carol Yeah No. I Want Janet to take a crack. Brent like I. I feel like he's going to be testing her throughout ended. She's GonNa snap. APP and that's going to be a big problem will says she snaps yeah if she if she says if you use concentration for Wagga billions of a second what is it the whole place will implode or something like that something like that yeah so that's going to happen. You know that's going to something is going to start to happen at least east at some point in Oh and the other speaking of Janet we got introduced new Janet disco giant by name only on the one thing we kind of know from the show at this point is like in previous episodes. I would say oh that's just an aside. They're not going to do that I would. I'M GONNA we make it better at this point that we will see disk Janet before the end of the season. We're going to see her and she's a lot so they're so that's GonNa be fun can be fun but yeah. It'll be interesting to see what you Chidi is going to. We know his character arc if they let them do the same thing. Maybe they'll do something different with them. I guess but we kind of know how he's going to learn if he's going to do a and the other two I just don't. I just don't know how they're going to get better because they have to be shown that it matters that they improve and I just don't know how the show is going to do that. Maybe maybe they have an idea. Maybe they know what they're doing but I I get so. That's why I think it's not that's not what they're going to spend time on but we'll see we do get a little bit of neat prologue to Chidi story from before the first season because before eleanor gets there he has no soul mate and so he must be living in a place all by himself which is she introduces him to today his library room thing with with the books that fly and it helped me remember that yeah he was he did come to the good place without a soul mate without living with one and here he is starting again. What did they say they're. GonNa do soulmates this. I'm not sure they mentioned that they were or weren't known you do it. It helped me remember that that's how it used to be but I think his book thor was very cute and I I like his room and reading lights are great for reading so good Jackie and really I meant I meant to say when we started but that that opening scene where he's just like inducing of how much he loves the good place in Illinois is just looking so hurt and also happy. Oh my gosh like that. One got got me. I wasn't ready to be emotionally involved in the very first few seconds of the of the episode but you know she's so pained and she's trying hard and she's failing some and it's just it's just a big summary of everything eleanor's going through then. He can't remember her name a woman. She says you know maybe you'll forget it but you know he's not going to forget it but you notice it the the very for shot of it is Chidi gushing in the background. The camera is focused on eleanor and I thought that was pretty neat effect of doing that. Was You know what we're supposed to be paying. Attention is not Chidi but it's Eleanor's reaction to him and and so we do biscuits. Let's get through our our people then eleanor arm. I wonder it's kind of trying to be the Boston trying to deal with the heartbreak of Chidi and Michael is kind of being a decent good Guccione lieutenant except when he's giving what is it like outdated bad place steers to the team but then we have to honey didn't do much although I did notice a couple of times when she was name-dropping they did have namedrop about three times during this episode so she did get that not much else but she did get that and then she also got to say the bit about how good it was. Maybe too dull and like maybe that was something suspicious which I thought was going to need that they gave her that even if they didn't give him much else jumped into your rights at some point and then Jason gets through his big thing is getting to be jealous towards Derrick Derrick zone with Derek was almost more together than I'm abused being although he did bite the glass that one time but you know jared being the bad person the bad contender tender for Janet seemed any news. It was a good pot I guess but it was also weird right. I guess jared has always weird weird. At this time. He was Celtic evil. Sometimes he's good Celtic neutral so but did I miss any other Let's see I mean Janet I she so overworked and under appreciated and I felt I think most for her besides maybe eleanor just that she's got so much to the panel at the moment and it's so tenuous that something's going to happen bushy cells it. I can't believe Janet or Darcy. Carton didn't get recognized at the Emmys but that's something else yeah and we will call character development because I feel like she would be capable of dealing with the level of complexity the city that they could place requires in the past bud right now. She's a person that's being annoyed that she's she has to due to all of these things for these people makes me think that that's has to do with the fact that she's been rebooted so many times and now she's like person well. It also has to hold onto the union. I also think that with Jason coming up to her and saying like are we still way from girlfriend that that's also adding stress stress to her and they may be on the ropes so she could be more emotional and that could be bad for Janet so beverage in bevo experiment. If things start to head south but yet yeah I think Janet Janet actually had the most probably the most development of regard at this time around because she went from being regular Janet to being ruby stressed Janet and it does feel like that's GonNa. That's can probably going to be part of the episode. Maybe the next couple of episodes having her deal with that and go through that good yeah. The boys are not helping Iraq is Derek is being a jerk and I guess Jason is also kind of being the jerk and everyone's kind of being jerk. She she you know she was complaining. About you. Know I want to our giving more stuff to do and everything else you uh. Derek on a big screen saying that he's been murdered doesn't help anything girders me even say it right yeah. There were a lot of disasters astor's to stem around that they just kept sort of being able to. I guess sweep under the rug. Darris episodes like that I think own was was doing things and then yeah yeah it was just window was doing things. It really did sort of feel like that. First episode of the of the season where you know sort of chaos was happening because of what he's actually with an extra called like the chaos sequence right. Maybe yeah amber at it kind of feel. I remember something like that and now chaos is still happening but of course it's it's just ramifications of the initial setup. I guess but it doesn't like the writers like that. They like that vibe of things breaking apart and everybody using their cool and everything so you know whatever the in story 'cause of it. I think the writers like us to be in that place so so they are in their element even if of course character as they like throwing a joke in there or two of just something that doesn't as an exist that can exist in the good place like the baby elephant made of pure light that tells you true secrets about the universe like you know they had to sit in a room and come up with that that and they had to figure out what it looked like and what's it. GonNa say like I'm sure they had a lot of fun therefore the Mir purpose of entertaining entertaining right there. Exactly what do we think about. Td becoming the fourth subject of the experiment. I think that's savvy blunt that we haven't touched so I kind of felt like that was going to happen. It'll go it wasn't much of a surprise because at first I was thinking thinking like well. You know what are they going to do with. TD If he's not part of this experiment and you know they just made it a way that he's there but I did think that when an Michael talked to Elinor reminded her that Chidi made an incredible sacrifice in his memory erased so he could help people and so he he has to help simone like that's about the only thing I think that would have not eleanor out of herself. firmament because Michael is reasoning with her life Chidi. What have I do think that the emotional core is going to tend to pull that way a little bit too they. I do like to do this whole eleanor and td thing so we'll see how that goes again third time's The charm. I don't know what we want like from their story ideally. I don't know how that story ends. I just I think I just want them to be lake friends friends and together and that's it. You know like just what is behind tent. Yeah Yeah just content. I don't need any more than contentment for them and yet what does that even mean right but nobody's nobody's going to heaven in like what was it like five hundred years like they need to break the universe in order for anyone to be happy by the end of the season and yeah. It'll be interesting to see how they do that. I really just don't. I don't think it's in the cards that the experiment would just succeed. I don't think the good place is going to the show is going to do that. I think we're just GONNA have a lot more chaos on a lot more or crazy stuff happened and it's GonNa be a happy ending but it. I definitely don't think this experiment is GonNa is GonNa work out the way they hope it is. Kinda sad so so that means that I have no idea what's going to happen with Chidi Chidi. Actually I also suspect she's going to regain his memories. At some point in the middle of the season yeah helps because something broke so but yeah the next couple of episodes. You're going to be how they're going to get to the are going to be how they get to that point and so was hope interesting. I I had a leader for a wonder about the the new modify point system that they were going to apply that sounded to me like they figure out what was wrong and corrected it so the point of doing the whole experiment if they know what's wrong right but well. Maybe someone's lying. Where where did you say that about a new system degen mentioned the Accountant Man Account Accounting Okay. Oh he was really boring. Sorry I didn't pay all that much attention to him. was there so he was saying that they changed the point system on earth already no no on the experiment very much rarer using a point system to measure the progress but I feel like if you change the point system then. How do you know that it's a valid experiment experiment? If we'd what immediate results of the experiment of your out what the point system should be not your way around about science but I guess that's how accounting to good place to tell them that. This makes no sense so well. It's you know what's the game show where they the tagline is the points don't matter and I again. I don't think I don't think it's GonNa come down two points when they want to but but we'll see we'll see we'll see yeah. It'd be interesting if they kind of have these episode pursued where the points were kind of brought up in a more concrete fashion although he did say you're not going to know right yeah. He said that it won't be while you're here. You won't know in real time so I suspect that if he's if he's saying that that's going to be broken because why mentioned it always didn't what was it one thing where they look to the point where I guess that was also a bad place thing right but there was one thing where they were tormenting than bugging them see their own points and I would not be surprised if that happens again except for real because that's something they do on the show. Yep that's where they are able to see. The points in there not for the new people there for them could be just putting it out there a lot of promises this time yeah well. I guess we've got a we've got a regular season right. We got way what eleven episodes eleven to twelve or twelve. I think it's somewhere in there so it's about the same amount of time that we've gotten every season so we've got the same amount of of cloud and other stuff to look forward to having figured out yeah. I think we're we're just at the beginning of this but I did buy the we got to see. A lot of old. Favorites got to see a lot of the demons. GotTa See Mindy again got to have her. You know do her thing show her a unique philosophy towards the world old and who else. I do think we will see more of mindy since they're kind of taken upper-house crushing around. I don't know why they need to do that but okay yeah yeah. We'll see more and we'll see more of the bad guys because they're they're actively. Try and continuing to try to screw things up. We saw shirtless demon. Amen Boy Chris I think is thus anyone wants to explain to me quickly what the Kars for kids song is. I don't know what I don't really know either. it's a jingle and I think people hate it. That's that's all I get. I've I've never heard of either with just the fact that misspelt car I mean it's just it's just really obnoxious but no I've never heard of. It was probably the television at some point. I was not watching television too but yet very ask about it so pretending she was on special victims unit that was so cute other you have to save like she had a completely new order of stem around because she was kind of playing the leader playing the person in charge and Greg those you know again they have pretty Taylor's on the good place on the on the show general but I thought she looks she was really rocking news. You know those jackets and she'd never dressed like that before so we got to Kinda see something new from her so that was good those one yep we're not talking about. Simone's outfit. She were cheesehead said on packer night and they and it's all good places faults yeah. They could help blake bortles but they can't help everybody. It's just not fair so shall we jumping into the jug machine this time sure sure. I kinda like the Popcorn River sometime. I want to swim in it that I'm fine with saying well you notice that after she mentioned that and after they they had to make it and have people get it. Jason was in the office with the was it. The the the media plays with a big thing of popcorn eating up a good a good call back to that Oh and then Michael and this is something up so Michael was going around with the inspirational speech and he was saying to honey. You're so smart and eleanor you're in charge your grade and then Jason and then trade off and that's actually me on twitter. Maybe and maybe other places too. I have a couple of twitter page that I can I don't even know where I put because you don't really have shown. It's but you know it's definitely a hey. Something is is fast. Something is popular. It's cool and the other thing is conspicuous silence and okay. This is great and aged just waiting to see that you know obviously had to April had probably had to record this months and months ago so I don't know if they had that that trend in mind but it just funny to see that at in in person on the screen so educated so well it must have been painful because Jason is very very intuitive to say but I get. It was an easy walk yeah well. He actually did a couple of smart things to stem around. I am now blanking EXAC. At least you places where thought of something that no one else thought of right away he thought of Chidi as the teacher to teacher Ripe Helm. Uh Simone key was upstanding with Derrick about figuring things out until he became into into an evil monster and he had blown sheet out of the earth. I think that's that's it. Two things is good for Jason. It's better than anyone else this episode yeah so. It's eleanor saying Oh hey okay. You think I'm the pride of Arizona technically. The pride right of Arizona is a statue cooper made from Cigarette Butts City Hall and it's actually she. She's talking about Arizona in the same way that everybody talks about Florida Florida was always exaggeration until they kind of took us to the Florida of the good place and there was actually what was the airport that was the name of it was but you know something to make you think Oh yeah this is actually a real life exaggerated version of it so does Arizona's well but they're go so the baby elephant. I did write down the two things that had actually told us about secrets of the universe one was Shirley temple kill. JFK okay good to know and the other is stonehenge with the sex thing which you know very well being now. I never have to wonder about either of those thinks. Thanks I know the truth. Now you know the truth. I really liked the bid with Chidi where he can summon the books like Thor and how that was his his main thing that he really wanted and then once the book gotten his hand. It hurt yeah also so how that was pretty good. I also like Jason said that he looked like one of those who graduated from College uh-huh Oh and Judge Gen when she came out with saying that she was watching deadwood and deadwood was the first time I remember hearing of Kristen Bell aw because she was pretty young then and she was a pretty memorable guest star on the show this before Veronica Mars so they're like referencing angus show that that Christabel would be on Okay Yeah Derrick Castellane. That's very weird but Derek that I think it's Kinda funny. mm-hmm the janitors and always will be my mommy girfriend bigger federal henry the way that creepy Derek Yeah true though when Neptune made him so still creepy when Michael tries tries to gloss over sink when Eleanor's hurting and he says I mean cool to train work that into something Norway's the to Florida Norway waste. I liked when Michael was like outraged at Linda that she didn't even look at birds. She just listens birds right now. You don't even look when the news one thing where Michael was saying yeah. There's quite a few people who don't believe that they're actually dad add and what should we came into the third or fourth day of mouth. We's ever not an option here but you know uh-huh giving in the back bucket so actually do wonder what will convince Simone anything that she's actually in in the afterlife but that's a discussion for the next season by ever down that Sean thought it was cheating studying for a test and then acing acing it rained eating yeah yeah then some of the name dropping from Johnny Geico. Who Can we get two. Who can we get two to help simone and she's like Nelson Mandela or somebody somebody else or really any racquetball partners would do. I guess thank you you too hunting. That's and then the other one was Michael skarsgard notes. WHAT'S UP Anthony Skarsgard. Whoever that is scarred one of the scars guard breathlessly eat the ZANEX half his antics with sharing his with them to show that she she knows boring people have worrying people. Are Yes fine. That's another one oh and then the last one was the one of the first one actually when she said would Michael was saying that you convince me not to get a goatee and she says yeah I lost about it was Robert Downey junior so that was there's we're here is we're her name drops for the for the episode like Eleanor Walking Away from Michael at the Dinner Party and muttering to herself and the Michael figuring it out and calling her out. It's pretty funny super good here and reformed demon into the great degree. I think a lot of the there were more jokes that felt sort of regular sit coming to me then sometimes in the past and I think some of that night becoming from the fact that there just aren't any interpersonal conflicts between the gardeners anymore anymore and so they've kind of got to go with more obvious humor between them because they're not actually kind of sniping at each other anymore but the rest of the season goes but that it was something that occurred to me about this this episode it that's probably like one of the jokes I wrote down his owing to that fact and that's where eleanor's wearing the jacket and she says well boys we guess we got ourselves in Svu and she hadn't really seen the show now that joke would work on any number of sitcoms but it's also funny because it's crystal and she silly but yeah. I get your point like they're. They're not relating to one another right now so there's ella joking between them. There's not a lot of time either because there's so much stuff happening so much. Yeah doesn't give time to let joke slander develop so it's everything more like went one line nurse that just don't don't build up to anything that's always. Vinnie show a different version of the chapter. We probably would have popcorn river for example sure it doesn't feel like the pace is all that different from other episodes like they've always been kind of madcap or at least some of them have been very mad cup. Of course I think sometimes it's the madcap stuff that we have had the waist fondness for so I feel like probably the same as that the first episode of last season but the base does slow down a bit after a couple of episodes so maybe it's not what we used to but yeah it's probably not of no doubt of character. I think everything I wrote down. You WanNa you WANNA. Take out have your how did we do this. We listen listen to the Elettra the intro I what do you want. Did you just want to show you how would how do it and then you can cut all that and then you do your career. Oh I think that's Oh for for this week for the show. I WanNa thank my co-host Fitch. Thank you era and then I goteborg right. Go ahead all right. Now you okay so that's everything for this week. See you next week everyone. I'm here sewage and holiday. Do this can be explosive earlier. Yeah Andrew Garter good night everybody.

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577: The Good Place S4E2 Review: "A Girl from Arizona (2)"

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577: The Good Place S4E2 Review: "A Girl from Arizona (2)"

"Well I guess I'm I guess we're all set then right. We're all ready to go. Thanks sound recording according but but also you're welcome back to team coverage podcast about the good ways that we could comedy and NBC by make sure at least for one more season. My name is Andrew Andrew Pontius and to say who chew Sarah Gardner. Hello Hi and have your switch Bogan of Oh friends and Richard Welcome back hi everyone we're talking about the second episode of season for A girl from Arizona Part Q. and so I'll give a little bit of a rundown of what happens is upset and then we'll we'll get into it so this time around around eleanor make some mistakes trying to deal with the good place experimental subject. Brent and tries to quit but Michael talks her out of him and she eventually finds a way to get Brent to start doing good things. Even if it's for the wrong reasons just the same way she did when she first came to the good place so in a beep lot of sorts. Janet breaks off with Jason because she's so stressed about work having to run the quiz and then in our cad plot to achieve he he begins to work on getting simone to believe that the good places real and their actions have actual consequences once elinor finds the inner strength to bring them together again which takes a little bit of doing and then in our deep lot to honey does virtually nothing but namedrop Adele. That's all she does. It's pretty much and then we don't see a whole bunch of other people including John the other experimental subject or Sean or any of the demons. That's pretty much what happens what people think of part two of a girl from Arizona. It's yet another week with honey but nothing to do yeah. They gotta fix that I think I would have liked this episode. Better headed aired directly after last week's episode they do feel like two parts of one episode and I feel like if I had them both back to back. Maybe I would have noticed like the Tahani missing quite as much which I felt like last. Week's pace was a little bit faster and this week slowed down. almost two amid season paced episode road but just kind of wrapping up loose ends from last week so it may have been better if we'd all seen it at once. I don't know I liked collected a preferred the way that they split the episodes as on the previous regarding thought ah they should have air both together but now that I see the second one I liked that we had a little breathing space to really reflect and consider what's going on on the episode. They don't feel like continues single episode so to me. They feel to two different things. One has a very fast paced and rambling uh-huh style and the second one seems more focused and I like that elected better than the first one also like this episode much better than part one and I did notice that the title of the two episodes together only makes sense once you see this episode they made no reference to grow so from Arizona in the first episode at all so yeah the in that way. They're trying to put them all together. I think but yeah the this episode felt more like like a real good ways episode and the previous episode felt like more I mean they're all real place episodes right but the other felt more like one of those madcap near the end of season as an episodes like what the Derek ones I think was really felt like that where it just felt like they were being mad cap for the sake of being mad got brother then Rui involving involving the characters more deeply hidden in the jokes and in the storyline ended everything else so I you know there was one scene we'll get to it with Michael Eleanor the kind of may be tear up a little bit and everything so I really felt they gave the characters their do or most of the guards do in episode disappeared a lot more so collected so much more much more forward to the rest of the season now than it was at the end of last week yeah. It's a lot more deliberate. It's a lot more thought after than than the previous episode it seems like they're going somewhere and I like like that makes up the case of the honey which I'm starting to worry that she's not going to have anything to do. Tahani all right. We'll we'll get to her but why don't we start with the first sort of April the big block which involves are two veteran actors to denting Goodson Bell and they so the the big thing is that she is having some trouble so she tries to do a chaos sequence with Brent don't and that doesn't really work or that backfires basically and then what's the other thing she does. She does a the this is your life kind of not. Game is a talk chatshow where she chose to get him to to to self reflect which doesn't seem like it's ever going to be a good idea and so you know these things don't work and then she gets frustrated and everyone else gets frustrated that she's getting frustrated and not working very well with them and and become head so what do people think uh of this this kind of to me. I already said I really that scene with Michael and Eleanor in the in the in that set in that a talk show asset where she's a drinking a big thing if it's not supposed to be like a callback what she's drinking does she does. She know to drink something specific anyway. She's drinking drinking some sort of alcoholic big alcoholic drink and feeling sorry for yourself and Michael comes in gives you a pet dog and I just really didn't Yup. Didn't she. Di Buying Margarita Mix. Thanks so maybe that's what it was yeah no I. I you know this is a very timely episode. As far as as you know all the allegations going around and how people are trying to attune themselves to the best way to act and Brent does not know how to act and has died ride and they're trying to rehab someone who is possibly beyond having you know we all hate. Brent and for good reason AH yeah and I didn't get that feeling that he's completely beyond being successful successful but I also feel like this weller doing. We're trying to make him better. Even if it fails at the end I feel like now we we know that this is dead bath their chosen to to take for most of the season at least they're going to try it even if it fails and the challenge for this plot for this ongoing plot and I really like this change in direction through the change but is that they're not really focusing on. Brent as the plot. He's the he's the challenge but the personal the person we're focusing on his charm for this plot and I loved that so much more than you know Oh. Can we actually make him a better person like he's like he's going to be a lot of the joke machine this week because he's almost everything is horrible up just off the cuff not good but now that's not our main focus our main focus it's up and that just makes it so much more watchable yes to to watch this show. When it's about that so I I like that. I'm not sure if it through a change range but it's it's sharpening that focus down and and I'll I'll tune up. I did think they kind of flipped a switch very fast when it came aim to not believing in Illinois for when we need we need to find a real person in charge. I don't know that that took me by surprise. I didn't think they they would give up so soon on her. Yeah I felt the same way I thought was too quick. They know how this works or doesn't work. uh-huh especially felt it was too quick for like Janet to be fully on board was true. We hate eleanor thing I can see. Jason and Tani doubting her a little bit. Eh Janet was like fully on board with. We need to replace eleanor well. Maybe it can be blamed on her being stressed out by the whole neighborhood Jason thing making an she. She has to make golf courses and cars. She must be tired car. That's true I I'll grant you that feel more Sitcom that they all turned on her right away and I I think I was more focused on the fact that they didn't like her behavior at the moment but it's true that the way it was written it was going to go. She's we don't want her to be reader anymore. That was probably going a little over the top for the whole. The thing about this show is that they all get the benefit of the doubt over and over again so just to you know go that quickly. It's like hey you know you've. You've gotten a lot of chances sir. Give Eleanor another chance it feels like they had to they had to punch it up for the sake of getting it resolved in two episodes yeah yeah normally normally normally. They're better than them at their best but I also did. I really liked Michael Guinot calling back to what happened with him and how he dealt with all the humans originally and it just seemed like bringing in these you know these are just generic actresses characters with history with each other and I really liked how they managed to put all that together and and have him be still kind of the same person he was because he's always been idealistic way but now sort of helping them. I don't know I just really like I really think directed you. I thought you know again. These these two actors just can really they have chemistry with each other I think and they really were able to to make those things work and we'll say we're awfully lucky to have a show where people actually Ashley have so much history with one another that they do call back on. I mean even serialized. TV shows they don't normally have all that richness and I feel like this show really really leans on that and I appreciate it. I Miss Having Chidi Asomani Gurtler. That's true loosened loosened that that the backstory I mean we we're gonNA experience it from from eleanor size but we can't have achieved his opinion on what's going on and I miss that take and it means that he's not going to be nearly as important and have nearly as much screen meantime as before and I think that's a loss but I kind of get what they did. They did what they did and I. I think we lost Sara's theory about Michael. Clearly Michalis stunned Michael. I am still holding onto that the theory wrong but I'm gonNA stick to it. I mean I'm just going to be wrong for as long as I am allowed to so we'll just see well. You're wrong so okay of it's not the first time I've been told that's probably in the last half hour. Take into move onto Chidi then really ritchie light this deborah. I'm going to get him for a few minutes but we do sort of get the full range of Chidi like he gets. He gets to have a stomach ache. He gets to be sorted. Charming bucket is head. That was that was amazing. Yeah Yeah that was going to happen is present down Mike Yeah Yeah. That's good thinking about about Chidi them. Chidi feels feels a lot more. I think maybe the word he's calmer than he was. At the beginning of the other seasons he just seems more like even keeled and steady steady and okay with being what he is and kind of just doesn't feel like Chidi at the beginning of the other reboots well I agree but on the other hand he's not being challenged and she became he became because he was challenged and here he's being told it's all of Houston. The actual good place and there's nothing that's challenging that so I can see who are you going to see how he could be calmer even if he still gets an stomach ache every once in a while I think the roles it's always been interesting. What Role Chidi is played over the seasons. In the first season. He was really kind of and the first couple of episodes I think he was the one who was the you know the pillar a the standard that eleanor was judging yourself against and it only became clear as they went on a lot of big problems too and it really feels it's like they're. They're putting him back in that original role for the moment because there is a lot of other stuff going on so he he gets to go back to that role because he's helping someone else and and it will be interesting to see how they end that because of course he'll only get a good arc if reduced are getting to see him challenge. Ken Simone Challenge Him in that doc way another she can so I yeah I think I'll be happier with his arc over the season if they find some way to work that back in so that he isn't just being the teacher is being taught as well as he goes on and and I don't. I don't see them doing that yet. I don't see how they're going to do that yet. I'm sure they can put something in but but I doubt Jay. They're going to do it yet. What what what trigger he's Onsite Itchy. The first time was the fact that eleanor was't Dejan in December to be there that meant that the place wasn't really perfect and that kind of set off a chain reaction of of course thinking thing as I want to. I don't think they're going to do that in this this run but they can figure something out. How does she not not realize that Brent should be there. We know he's he's seen him be bad. There are so talk show. He's seen him. I just that's that's the part that like. I just don't think how he could believe. It's paradise if the sky cotton. I don't know he doesn't really get the full brand experience that the loudest bear mostly our heroes and and Janet I think the few seconds he sees of brands. I wouldn't be so indicative. You don't hear him go for the Guard to go to play golf or something I do think that the fact that he hasn't ever fallen in love before and knows that he has a soulmate and that he's he's got a chance of being in love he's kind of clouded at the moment but but I could see him coming back to Earth in realizing that things aren't quite right yeah I mean he's still he's still hasn't gotten over being sore or book thor whenever yeah who would after about the six concussion I think he might get over it but we'll we'll find out and then he really won't care hear about Brent. Do guys thing concussions will sometimes trigger his memories back how he comes uh-huh. I don't know it'd have to be an extra special book. Extra special concussion will if he gets hit by his own book wasn't that the giant book that he never finished was a but it is this whole series ends. We'll say you called it. He's going to need Michael's extra special headache here pretty soon as in Disney's newsies productive the whole idea that like yeah like she doesn't need the same arc because he already went through the arc of improving so they either need to. I give him an ARG. I guess and having been involved in some other way or do something different with him this time around even though we know how it gets better so yeah. I think it'll be interesting because it does feel like a bit like they've they've written themselves into a corner with Chidi. I mean I feel like eleanor must be the wrinkle like he's going to go forward with. Simone and things are going to be good ed and Eleanor is going to be the challenge could be I mean Judy still has to get better though because he's the subject of the deal right so he still has to recreate the experiment. If you're mass it doesn't have to be the say mark but it has to be something some so. We'll see how that goes and then what you'll get so the next one is. John and Jason and Jason gets a lot of good lines this week for Jason that without ever actually doing very much he does have the best jokes this week but you know it's Janet breaks up with him like it's kind of one line thing right. It's not really much happens with I did cow. Michael has his own little pep talk for Jason. Jason and I used to tell him that you know you. GotTa get an impulse control and I don't know if he's did. He learn both control before did he actually get better even during the first run of things. I don't think we're so much I mean I guess sort of because gend in test. He did a little better then he maybe she expected him to but not good enough but yeah. I did not as many things were on fire. So Oh yeah I mean he's still most fun. I think rather than an actual series character who's getting a progression of becoming better but that's kind of all he needs. I guess spray down so and that was really the only thing to honey had to do any note. This week was to comfort him when he said tell him he wasn't alone alone. We got a poor on out for Blake bortles too so we don't Jason Does I. He does yeah now it was it was a break-up and then part B. B. Burp wake. Oh so why did that happen in the real world. I should look that up. Did he actually guess he's no longer with the team and that I think happened before last year. Season ended yeah they have moved on from Blake bortles without that'll be his way of growing is getting over. Blake bortles buying a New Jersey. Yeah ooh that would be that. Would that would be a lot of growth. That'd be a lot of personal growth for him to do that. Yeah so that's where we kind of the whole plot. Were there any other aspects to the season before we do joke machine data people want to talk about. Do we get the feeling that Janet is torn up by this at all. She seemed pretty able to just can break things off with Jason without really feeling too distraught about it. She says it'll endanger the experiment if they stay together and she's really matter of fact and then that's kind of it her break up with. Jason would seem seem Berkeley Nickel and detached. She seems like an almost delivery is still more nuanced instead. It used to be in the sense that before she was more trying to be robotic. I think the actress was and now she seems to be more like a regular person but but yeah you rent you very very detached about it yeah. She seems to be regressed. I'm not saying that she's back at Janet Prime but still still pretty regressed. She needs Disco Janet. I still kind of I kind of maintain that they're all regressing a little bit for now and that's going to let them grow grow a little bit even Janet. I'm looking through my notes. I'm just making sure. There's nothing that we didn't miss. I think if anything it might just be that we get the realization that Michael faked the breakdown so the eleanor would take over. That's what eleanor thanks eh well and you know. He smirked about it. You know so we're led to believe that's true but maybe not a yeah. I think he wants. tertre think that was kind of what I got from that smirk because we saw in he got that message from Sean right before he had the breakdown so I kind of think it was. A legit legit breaks down. Thank you so he but but yeah you didn't get the center at the time that he was faking it yeah and yours if if you had it would have been nonsensical to us so they eight both get to feel better believing that maybe he wasn't faking it but seen John seen the whole situation with the sued all all by Lupton. He realized that he never completely get humans and that's the source of the breakdown not like like he was trying to get them to just that he panicked as he saw himself as unfit in the sense that eleanor should replacing maybe or maybe we're giving the writers too much credit no but I mean I think it works. It works either way we can. We can make it a little bits of aggregates of cannon selves to explain it away or you can just go and I'm I'm perfectly happy with it. It does feel like both of those were kind of emotional trews like Michael being overwhelmed at the time seems like it could be something true to his character and then you know him him also wanting to give Elena. They are the chance to the chance to to read an experiment to success to success which as he as he points out he never did Endeavour has done it is also feels true and like wait for the episode to make when he says this is a job for a human. I really do believe that or I believe that he thinks that two things can be true. We don't see John. WHO's the other jerk mark. I'm glad yeah I'm pretty good to me. That actor is fine but yeah it too. Much of these guys is just makes the episode this was enjoyable but then they've got to go through the whole thing again with John so that is one thing I'll say is that we're going to get at least one more episode focused on how to improve John and and it's going to be the same drill that is just going to seem really hard for our characters to do because it is really hard but that'll be honey episode Hannah. Thou Utah has just occurred to me up to hopefully she will get to both grow herself and you know show show how funny she can be the same time. I hope they find a way to make him funny because while all branches unlikable it's fun to make fun of him mm-hmm and I don't think that's the case John Right now at the very least his unlikeable and unfunny so I hope they find something into make him funny at least yeah I have to say I'm not I figured it out yet but bread did seem to be not necessarily more likable but more enjoyable to watch this episodes yeah and I'm trying to figure out why because again he was saying horrible things which will get to and he was not improving but just something about it that just made it more funding maybe also because he was getting more engaged with the characters with our characters that we know we like thank you know when they were going drawing him into the despite drama of the the best place and I mean it's almost like watching in the old. Stephen lert show. It's unlikeable character but it's so extreme that it's funny short short. He has lines that make you make fun of that stereotype like. I don't want to get into the jug meshing but I feel like it's appropriate. he says earned my spot just like my father and his father before him and I feel like that's a very strong winds said had the writers are putting their because it makes fun of a whole kind of person than the stereotype yeah. I that's the same way I kind of feel about the John Character that that's also a stereotype and we haven't really gotten to it yet because 'cause we haven't had a lot of time with that character but that's you know that's another. It's a different kind of Hollywood's stereotype that I think they're making fun of the caddy. Gossip columnists earnest's who's like tracking Tahani everywhere. I don't know I think I think it's more I think about our regular characters battling their own demons than it is about those characters particularly. I still really hate Brent. I haven't come around on him this week. I Know No. He's probably more entertaining than he was but boy punched that guy he's just bad and who did was eleanor. Who did the thing with the owner was a honey who did the thing where they they were doing the same thing with where they're open the door for people and everything to get point thinking it was eleanor quake will feel like it was an owner and it's just kind of felt she she was still more enjoyable to watch doing that than Brenta's and maybe at the time was still just as incorrigible so again. It's Detroit interesting. There's there's no point in this that I really want. Brent to Impro- good too because you know I I want Eleanor's to succeed but yeah no that guy whatever he gets what he gets what makes eleanor had all these false but they felt like folks that were not sort of. I mean they were bad. They were really bad but they were sort of abstract and Brent has all of these folks that are very very particular to real world people that we know that we've seen that one reason why it's hard to forgive him for anything is because you know we know more that the things that people like bread have done have caused real world problems whereas you know you really just don't i. I don't know the whole whig what would it I want to do with stealing the dress and doing all that like these are not things that happen to people every day. She's jammed elders though yeah that's. Nice I think with Eleanor though we knew she felt guilty and with him he doesn't feel guilty shawl so so the guy's really bad I think we are. I think we are forgetting just how bad she was. That was that long town. I don't think I'm going to like Brennan ever but I think he has done terrible. Things and eleanor are has done terrible things so in that front they're both technically capable of getting better at nor seems to consider herself to through its understand he doesn't so maybe that's the difference that she wants to get better and he doesn't. I think the main difference I see between Eleanor and Brent is eleanor kind of always acknowledged that she was kind of a trash bag like she thought she was a medium person. Whereas Brent is still like I'm cream of the crop. I'm best I should be in the best place like it's. I think it's his attitude that makes it harder act like him. Maybe you're right right. So what do we have for this week for the for the jerk machine. I'm certainly everything that Brent says yeah. There's what was it. The one thing is greater on the episode. Oh I can keep secrets. I buried a whole bunch of What was it oh my? God yeah terrible just terrible and then he he's in the talking about his wife and we already talked about the Princeton. That's really what's wrong with this. Country was another thing he said. Oh my God and and then also I like what country are we in like when the usual eleven what is it the Martin Luther King junior quote uh which is totally totally. It's like on the Internet is definitely people who say they really like him. You know and then they miss quote him. I'm and then they only quote him selectively and everything else so. It's totally a a real thing for him to say something that alone and yeah just just just life like the way he died so yeah. He died in the helicopter crash right. We said it was a gold. What does it do we primarily member Eh diamond. VIP years and and he also said Oh I I grew up in Chicago. You know a suburb like okay. We're growing up in the suburbs who has that same thing is growing up in Chicago but you've anything else really bad that he said I'm sure there was something I I mean. He had a joke about like where's White Year Mo and Mexican William and it's like he just stop some worse squirt man whoever squarely Brad Kavanagh Joke Oh oh yeah yeah I think so yeah yeah. I blocked out all those names that he said so also. I don't know if you guys know that year. Mo Is Williams in Spanish so yes I think I think that I think that was part of it. He's just an idiot and then the fact that he had Janet make clothes for herself which I'm sure not appropriate clothing and was mad that she wouldn't wear them. You're doing the math right there. It was yeah that was just really despicable stuff already or onto um well. I will say you mentioned. He has a child and I wonder if that will come back right. That was another one of his jokes. Was You know one of my regrets is that I made too many Netflix stock and by Stupid Kid's GonNa get can yeah okay yeah and he gets this is kind of burt related but I liked all all the stuff from the torment scene where he's like getting showered and Perrier the Princeton Mascot and all the all in the Princeton it was just interesting seeing it in a different theme than eleanor the lifestyle and I loved seeing Simone in that she's just flake standing there sipping her coffee as Dorrell apart around her after according to her the world doesn't revolve around Brent which is kind of Nice if anybody doesn't know the school covers a prisoner orange and black so that's everybody who's wearing orange black. Whatever then Chicago was is playing. That's why I was like. Why are they saying that song. Okay thanks thanks for that. I would have figured that out myself and he never it does Chicago Song Question Mark Simone seeing that the world is just as goofy as it was before like yeah. You're not inventing simone that the world is real by doing this term in the probably the woman next most lines are improbably moorlands. Jason this time around and I really loved the bit where he says. Yes you know. Keep screwing things up. That's my thing but you wouldn't put me in charge. It's true my favorite part of Jason was when he said that he bought her head some chocolates for Janet and knew that she couldn't eat them so we ate them himself and then he just wanted to describe them to her while the first one was gross. That's exactly right. That's how it is. Every time I open eight bucks that are supposedly for mother's Day and see tiny a little fingers in them and I get to hear about how many of them were strawberry. So of course Jason has done a toddler but yes well you know he hasn't outgrown the whole the whole sticking your fingers in the chocolate. Day really doesn't like that he has a land. Why didn't nobody explained to me they should have like impulse control. I I don't remember except Lane and Michael Says people tried mostly judges him wanting to do. Something isn't a good reason to immediately do it. Yeah people tried to tell you jason mostly judges I really ever like the the that scene because it just the affection there was ruin was really neat to Kinda see even put his hand down and was not padded on the shoulder pattern among like on the neck and just it it was a little weird but it was also like you know yeah like this is. This is my guy here. This is my guy and that was the friendship that these people have I forget what he was describing. Jason had something where he was saying. It was a Bouncy House Ninja Stars in a bunch of ambulances. We can't we can't fix it with the Jacksonville. Carnival Yep that's what it was what try about about to house some Ninja Stars and a bunch of ambulances audiences and what all does Jason Need to get over break-up. He has to drive an ATV through the panda express but there was something else okay that makes sense yeah and he's like. Oh but I need to get the the the from Janet in the Mount Different Janet and then I just start crying. Purchasing and eleanor forced him to give her a high five. Oh resonate that is always a sucker for a good eleanor south describing herself line. I'm like a hotline Wiley Coyote Yeah freely and Michael All agree with her and then Claire Hang he wasn't agreeing on she the sexualizing the cartoon pretty great. They were a bunch of guys in the middle of that all that pep talk but yeah one of them was. Why are you going to join us. Are you gonNA. Join me your will you take a shower first and then join me yeah good. That wasn't the exact video. It's not that but it's not not rate. That's getting a little snarky there John Oh and then the and the one thing that I mentioned before with a Johnny was that she said you know my break-up routine involves uh-huh Champagne and not the actual event is more than communiqu at my friend's house Adele like you okay. Don't manage to work one in there that I like to the The lady that saved the ducks. I think your name was Wanda and also all the the horses so that was cheese just like amazement amazement off the tax. I don't like to Brag but also all the horses Chidi Geeta say when asked about himself well. I'm not oh you know saving entire species impressive but yet for a second. I thought when he's like well now I feel inadequate that it was going to backfire in Chidi was gonNA think he was right right yeah. They didn't belong. They pulled out of that real fast. I mean it might have still planted a seed of doubt that might blossom all summoned honored episode so I predict I will say poor Chidi at least once in the next couple of weeks. How many more times will eleanor half to to go over and pretend not to care about Chidi. Just kills me. Every time I see Chris Bell was doing a Ariya job of it this this episode just as good. Oh hitched your voice every time where she's like What was that Oh you wouldn't you said soulmate you know he's she's. She's your soulmate and she had to kind of get over. Give her that to say and that was great and it's funny because thinking back I was never really convinced about cheating eating eleanor as a couple in the first place. I didn't think they ever necessarily sold it when they were together at least in waiter episodes but but Caribbean unrequited love for Chidi is much more convincing to me than the actual. I think she always sold it. I didn't didn't necessarily believe that. He felt the same way about her. Well that's true yeah so the problem. I like seeing her in chart. Oh I think it's it's fun to have the runner of the neighborhood in our group of friends also seeing her in charge. It looked like maybe she had raided Mendis closet in this episode with powder blue suit shoes. I've I have wondered about that. I'm like why is she just to be something. Mindy would wear that'd be dressed eleanor this week. I hope she didn't take all the McCain to know Mindy Unknown Derek this week. They were inner place. It's very easy you go from the medium plays to the good place because they were just going back and forth like nothin' this episode but yeah yeah the and why do they. Why do they have to go to the medium to do. All their powers like the new neighborhood is in the medium place. It's Mendis Backyard Aqyar isn't yeah. That's what the Yes in because when I was watching last season. They said they needed. They couldn't do it in the good place or the bad place yes. They needed somewhere else. Do they came to mindy and they said we need to borrow your backyard. That makes more sense. Though the new neighborhood is built in in the medium plates in Mendis backyard appreciate the clarification thank you and then uh when eleanor is talking with Michael near the end and she's going on and on about Emma stone and you're stalling rolling okay all right fine I'll go. She was the only other lines I had written down where win. Jason said that Janet it was his whole afterlife at and sweet and you know for a minute there. It's like Jason. Sorry sorry and then I know we touched a little bit but when she was surprised to have a happy stomach ache s compared to all all his other stomach aches. This one was a happy one and so hey it's a new experience because he's in the good place. Why wouldn't you have a stomach. Ache is just a good stomach ache AAC. So where do we leave for next week then well where. Where did the episode end up so that we have a clear path in the next week yeah. I don't know where we're going after this. What do you think you know because I was going to sing in our last episode that I didn't know where they were. GonNa ended up with the equilibrium for the next couple episodes and it does feel to me now that the equilibrium is indeed going to be our good place people figuring out the challenges of trying to encourage the new experimental subjects to be better and so we know what did he was with bread. We figured the probably going to do another one with John. Pretty soon but again they're going to focus more on the on the personal problems of our people over spending the whole time on the the new people I think and that's what we're going to get for a couple of episodes coming up and that will include Simone in Chidi as well somehow figuring out you know how to make her better than how to tease out his problem. Does they go so. I think it's enough for a couple of episodes at that might take any. That's where we're GONNA go and bails. What are your thoughts yeah I would. I would think the same I think probably next episode will be tackling John and then as they get to simone in Chidi. They may take a couple of episodes to try and sell that out certainly seems like they're gonNA head that direction with the episodes but I don't know they've surprised us before. I'm just tournament what happened to the very end of this episode and I can't remember so what did did happen at the very end was just a high five. I guess that's true yeah. It was yeah they were talking to the high. Five and Simona Chidi had their Google shop thing. Oh yeah and they were kind of cute and avenue you. Do you get the sense that that that was where they were going to go with with those do for the next yeah and the other characters were talking to Elinor and said something about Oh how she lied convincingly and she said she's not sure that it it was a lie. You know conceited fall for Simone in the real world so another place where she's doubting herself right on a low. Michael brought up the interesting point in terms of they were kind of saying Chidi Chidi gave up something and design eleanor is suffering more than Chidi because she's he's aware of it and I wonder if they're gonna go that route eventually to maybe the tobacco as people will get in there and you know do some sort of magical spell on Chidi or whatever to make they get worse for him by bringing back real memories that I don't know if they're going to go that way but that would be one way of finally having him have his full memories but still having can be involved in the storyline so we'll see if they want to go in any of those directions but then that'll make sort of the experiment not work and but I'm still of the opinion myself that we're not gonNA make it to the end of the season with the experiment still inquiry like something's going to disrupt and stop or ruin or another in some other way disrupt experiment such that the won't finish but we'll still get the good result anyway but but I don't think the show is GonNa. Just play it straight without so we'll see if that's my prediction and I'm willing to be wrong about it but that's what I'm going to spirit. It's hard to predict that's the show in a nutshell. That's definitely could drag quite a bit over for the over the seasons. I think we're going to continue to explore our new subjects. We're going to have an IB so for Simone. It'd be so those for John Episode Floor Chidi. Probably that's like three episodes so we got something something right right. I mean and that's an arc right that that might be the next arc for them and so we get to mid season crescendo of some sort sure you're and I some of those episodes involve honey and some degree in yeah hope so more Tahani. Please okay so we'll wrap up tonight anyway. So we think Mike let's have you. Thanks for being here. Thank you friends Rachel. Thanks for being here as well. Thanks good night. Everyone thanks again. Thank you and we'll see next time.

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621: The Good Place Retrospective

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621: The Good Place Retrospective

"Are We all recording? I'm recording figures. We all knew what we're doing by this point but it doesn't hurt to check. Don't assume when it's me nope welcome back to team cockroach podcast about the good place by make sure we comedy that was on. Nbc Four four years to to last episode a couple of weeks ago at this point so we are You're doing a what we did. A flash cost of all the episodes from the good place from. Let's say about the episode five season to all the way through to the end and then some breakup earlier ones and now we're doing a final retrospective on the whole show so let me introduce my co host. I Andrew Pontius and next introduced. Sarah Gardner greetings. Everything is fine. It really is right. Have you? Made your switch come on in. I really thought that I had that recorded are expected so I guess that must have messed up. I hope that I make it through the system. This time Rachel Ottoman. You're in the good push. Oh Wow righty. So this is a listener podcast. We don't really bring it up all that often. But we are. We are Augustines of the incomparable. Podcast NETWORK IS INCOMPARABLE DOT COM and they have allowed. Us space on their network to have this little podcast. Doing for about two and a half years now and we've also had some guests from the from the mothership on in various episodes So this is sort of going over the lag on the whole the whole show. So why don't we start with? To sort of opening statements opening whatever people would have stopped on the show that we spent two and a half years on so it's a weirdly shaped shadow in that like it leaves a hole that doesn't really know how to be filled. And you kind of knew that from at least by the end of season. One that you've really had something just weird and sort of indescribable and it feels just as special as it always did. Now that it's over also it's funny sure where it was to come to the very barry most most bare essentials of them description. And it's it's a mainstream comedy on. Nbc right so it was being shown on regular broadcast television which means it has a certain shape to it even if it was kind of the weirdest shape that you could put inside that shape you know is a half an hour show. It was comedy was Mickey kind of laughs at it wasn't meant to be some gritty serious thing going on and they didn't really trend dress too far beyond sort of mainstream kind of more there wasn't like sex or violence or swears or anything like that so they had a certain shape and then it had to make its own inside of that. I think that might have been one of the most interesting things for the start. Sort of what what? They've decided to do about that. Yeah and that's interesting because maybe that's why the show chose to to Lena something so heavy and hot to reconcile like the idea of death and it allowed the show to be a lot more adults and Libya wondering and thinking about all these philosophical questions. That just can't be feel like Sarah said it's it's not the show that it's going to be allowed answers because we'd really hard like a concrete idea of death and everyone. According to their religious beliefs or lack thereof will have their own interpretation. But it's not it's not it's not concrete. The show is just starts with a question and it ends with a question in a neighbor tries to completely answer that and I think that's that's interesting. And that's something that's somehow allowed on. Nbc on a weekly comedy. And I think that's very interesting. Yeah I think it it was very. It's very clever in a way that you don't see comedies. Do these days it makes you think most comedies you tune in you laugh you want to not think when you watch a lot of mainstream comedy is in the play sort of Shenanigans. Right. It's it. Do you want to relax after a long day at work? So you turn on comedy so it's not a bad thing but the good place sort of took that idea and flipped it on its head had the funny stuff it had light moments but it also kind of made you wrestle with a lot of questions about life and death heaven and hell and all sorts of different things so. I felt like it accomplished that mission. Well even if it didn't always go the direction I thought it would or the direction I wanted it to it. Fill like it continually upended your expectations. I liked to that like it always expected you to go with it. Wherever crazy place it went and we did because the show earned that like it just threw everything at the wall and we were along for all of it. I think one of the one of the interesting things that we're working working around your as and it was a it was a fantasy right. It came at the idea of death. By putting it in this candy-colored Shell with a lot of you know both highbrow and Globo jokes going along with it. And you know the cutesy music right so it really tried to pull out a lot of the the grittiness a lot of the the anxiety you might feel about. Oh you know and again. Everything's fine right. It says at the very beginning and of course everything's not fine but you're still in this world where it feels like. You're a little safer like you know. Even the chaos sequences. Were you know funny things happening to people like no one was like trampled when the giant giraffes went by no one well actually know somebody by giant? Turkey JERKY CARCASS TURKEY CARCASS. Right when I was. I'm not sure we ever saw that. It really felt like it was it was it made all that work by putting you by pulling it outside of regular human experience and putting you in this funding go to fantasy world and for me. Actually that it goes far beyond that. Because we're I I was thinking well. That was what they were thinking. The good was funny fantasy road but really the whole show. Was this funny fantasy road. Even when they went to on adventures to other places even when they came back down to earth like all of earth was really that same. Funny Fantasy thing. They had funny names. For what the airport in Florida. And then the library Arizona that everyone was otherwise impair in in Arizona had people pouring in and afterwards after the shutdown every place was sort of this jokey funny place in the world that was the whole show instead of just what the good place was even even how even even bad boys was a lot of jokes too so I it was interesting. How a consistent they where I think throughout the whole show. That was that was there that was there good place that was where their comfort zone. That was where they wanted to be. Were these sort of jokey fantasy worlds that they were gonNA lead you through while handling whatever macguffin plot they were doing with someone that knew like next to nothing about philosophy. I've never maybe have a little bit of philosophy in high school but since then not taking any philosophy class. I felt like it was a good introduction to a lot of different philosophical concepts and things and Definitely increased my knowledge about different people. Some names that I've heard before names that I hadn't I had no clue who who patia or hip or whatever however you say. Her name was patty who she was until like the good place and things like that so I felt like did a good job at expanding. My Philosophical Horizons. Yeah I thought that the show can drop the philosophies side a bit after maybe half of season two and at some point in secret side that was for the best but I also feel like seasons three was probably the most drain season of all so maybe they should have stuck with philosophy in a more concrete way than than they did on earth. But yeah it's the hook right. It's it's what's got you into the dollar and it puts you in the right frame of mind to see the the show us something different than and something. That's trying to answer your question. So I think the philosophy in a way. It's still integral to the whole experience. We were all thinking about the ethical consequences right from the start and that's what the show is about. So even if they stopped happy like lessons after maybe see some to that still into our perspective into the show. And that's interesting. She was always about morality right. Even when it wasn't necessarily quoting I directly. It was always you know from the very first episode to the very last episode. They were always very keenly interested in The moral it was for you to act certain ways towards other people and I do think that the that we get out of it. We're not really particularly surprising. You know like you should counting on. Your friends is better than not counting on. Your friends was kind of one of the biggest lessons of the whole show. Which known would've argued with? If you brought it up separately you know that you should. They should be selfless when you can with other people they should just do things for your own For Your own gain again you know. Sort of truisms rather than necessarily the deep philosophy And then the whole thing about I think but you don't necessarily get auto show is talking about death especially light comedies. But even so this idea that you know sort of does his journey and it's it defines our experiences also pretty much getting. You wouldn't get a lot of disagreement. You wouldn't get a lot of people saying that's shocking to talk about on the show so yeah. The game ended relatively conventional more wisdom's truisms in in the show. But it doesn't mean it's bad so I think what what really I think we talked about. Kind of over and over again was what we really liked about. The show was the characters in the way they handled the characters. So maybe we can turn turn to that a little bit. I think again. We've we`ve. We've often talked about how he really liked. The character is really like the actors playing this characters and we were kind of sticking with them when the show itself might be getting a little a thin open at times so I don't know that there are too many shows where the conceit is. They have to improve themselves. And the fate of them and the world and the show all rest on them improving themselves and the best moments. I think when we see them in surprising ways tackle the real troubles they had on earth. So when you get the moments where Tahani wrestles with her family. When we go to Jacksonville with Jason in that one is you know heartfelt and all of that like those little moments are really what you tune in for and it extends to characters like Michael and Janet who are learning things to whether they need to or not. I really do think that you're right if it didn't have those moments where we got to see them grow and on a more intimate level then we wouldn't be there for when they're running madcap crossed. Raylucia because we wouldn't care so we got the the standard actors that That we had known about before Ted Danson and Kristen Bell but then all the the newcomers Let's see if I can name them. Jamila meal right and just Jackson Harper. I getting that right. William Jackson were inducted Harper. And then many Were the other three Humans and then Darcy Carton was Janet and they were just all so so great with what with what they were doing especially Darcy Garden. I think I watched the Janet's episode again like West Eyder recently. And she just great you know mimicking other making the other characters in a way that doesn't feel completely contrived it's just sort of bringing them to life and then just being not a robot like she was the weirdest character that we had to deal with and yet I think you know especially by the end. We kind of felt like we. We knew we liked her and we felt like she done she done a lot of it. It's all these characters they kind of thinking about it like you know the the grew they improved but I think coming from beginning to end. They actually probably changed less than I thought they did. They were still basically those same characters. Them same foibles the whole throughout the whole show. I guess the thesis That it's not so much that you are good or your evil is just that you you are your circumstances and so you can't just look at someone in a boy and try to measure the goodness it's more like well did you. Look at their life. The two guate- they had us parents that you know ally story and that's that's what it's all about ride this about context and do the the but plays good place. Seeing dust mostly is just provide you with with context that allow too to be a better person. Even if you're not fundamentally better wars because that's just what is being better on take into account Context that's mostly what the show is about. They're just set you in the right set of circumstances and see how good can be or how much you can be not so much. Can you be fundamentally better? That's that's like a truism it can't really be a thing in itself certainly one of the other things we can talk about. Is the the system right so we got introduced to this system to the system in the first episode of season? One Michael Goes to some great lengths to give us some expedition about the point system. And how everybody's judged and how everybody goes to these two different places when they die and the unreasonableness of it or the the arbitrariness of it was probably part of the joke from the very beginning And it was a lot of it was played for laughs from the beginning but we really did wind being printed the through line of the show that they were saying. Yeah this is the system. This is probably a system that you would recognize if you came from organized religion although it's detailed out no in a way that maybe a little unusual but then you know they pretty much tore it down. They pretty much found one flow with it and then another fall with it and then another and they kept trying to think of different ways to make it better. What was wrong with it to make it better you know. The original thought was welded about race was corrupting. No it's actually the system itself was was bad you know. All of all of heaven needs to be redone to make a good place for so to speak for people after we die and I think the really liked kind of digging into that new not the whole the whole show but then it's been all the time on it but they spent a significant amount of time on you know thinking through thinking through there again fantasy system and how it should be better how humans could be could be made better thought the whole system aspect was really interesting even from the beginning like and for the beginning thought there some something seems off about this but the first season. I was like yeah okay. I'll just go along with it and then by the end of the season you're like That's why things seemed a little off but like in season three when they go to the accountant's office and you find out it's been lake centuries since anybody's made it into the good place and you go like the different things of the consequences that you realize. How big and complicated life in general is but that to keep track of doing this thing but because you took a car there that takes all your points away because fuel is bad or you know all the different unintended consequences and that was just fascinating in them having to come up with a way to level all of that out yet I will say it was more interesting when it was complicated and at the end when they immediately solve other problems it sure had a lot less then as doing all that thinking for for. So long yeah. Solutions are always much less interesting problems especially in fiction you. We are completely biased to to believing issues but not so bias to be Lebron Solutions Women. What is the solution to everything? How could you make a system that would be completely fair to everyone and a bank before it gets? This'll be my last chance to harp on this Harp Biden to choose the way through until you play. We can't we can't really conceive of a perfect system it's beyond human comprehension to make everything perfect for. Everyone's always going to be drawbacks. Anything WE DO. And so how do you? How do you make that work we? We can't so the show had to come up with something a little more simple to handle that or are not end or end in in theory unsatisfactory way on so you kind of feel bad for them a little bit that they had to come up with something. They had themselves up for this that they could resolve it. So you don't think ongoing trials for people gradually get better as much as they can. is a decent idea. You could see a lot of a lot of edge cases in a what if what if they're trying to sabotage other people lots of and they never really dealt with the concept of true evil in the show like to you really kind of a more of a again fun kind of fantasy comedy where you know the really the really evil people they just probably were. They just got off to the side somewhere. We're not going to deal with them at all. But you know and the people who are really hurting was hurting a lot from what our parents did to her. But then there are worse thing. That could have been a lot worse in some ways. So didn't they did rate themselves into the corner with the with the setup of the show because there were never going to be able to came up with either a completely reasonable system or a thick system or even the the initial system that we know. We know it's bad. It's still abby cartoonish. I feel like we could have gotten a bit more of of problem resolution. I feel like we have a few more episodes seeing them. Try to even just trying to fix the system actually fix it and tweak it and even though the show will then in between episodes implied that something else changed that we're not seeing what we're seeing is not the whole of the changes because that would mean that it will help to explain everything it were helped to East Isa's into the idea that the system is now good even if we don't know how it works instead of now that we know how it works and it's a little bit flawed. So why are you doing that? They could afford to show the well oiled machine because we spending all of our emotional energies saying goodbye to the characters. So it's really easy to like. Look at all the shortcuts. They took or the disappointments in some of the episodes and there were some I think they got away with it because they knew that we were carrying a lot about the people involved. They had to have known from the time they even start the show that there wasn't going to be an ending outside of the good places the friends you make along the way and say goodbye to your friends and we all knew that to like you know. There was never a point when I didn't think that was coming. It was just a matter of like how squiggly is the line between here and there and it was really quickly is really quickly. One thing one that I was thinking of when I was thinking about what? We're going to talk about today. Is that the show had sort of two modes and one was sort of an iteration of the good place. It's an iteration of that sort of time. Where they're kind of going to be good over and over again and then sort of the other another mode which I was calling sort of fantasy madcap shenanigans and that was where they were. You know someone was running around. Someone was racing against the deadline. Someone was dealing with something weird in this fantasy world. Some sort of made up Macguffin or challenge or deadline and everyone. Who's running around chicken head trying to figure that out? I think it was interesting if I remember. Cookie's sort of when the good place when we saw the place I good place being torn down. And we're thinking well. What the heck are they going to do next and it actually? They weren't going to change very much because they were already mad. Captioning against within the good plays in the previous season and in season two. It's just now. They kept them up in other places that were even more made up fantasy than the good place itself and that's just kind of all they did. Four years of they bounced back and forth between Mac. Captioning agains could play squaring matt good earning. And that's you know that's what they liked to do it. But I think they liked to have characters kind of you know these sort of comey running around and telling jokes and everything and they also liked kind of characters dealing with becoming better people and so it's different proportions n each season but there was in every season there was bit about them learning and the first season it was them wearing in the very first iteration of the second season it was the the what after all the other iterations where they they were ready for. Vicki was was running the show and they had kept their memories and in the third season ones was that they were on earth and they were in Australia and never gonNA learn how to be good there and in the four season it was with the new people and they were. GonNa Learn those. We're GONNA be good but did surrounding that inside all of that was also all these madcap adventures and crazy things when when things went wrong in various ways that the characters had to deal with. I seasons version of that kind of glued together in a way that was a little surprising given that they knew it was going to be the last season it it felt like they just kind of had to stop some things abruptly and attack on other things abruptly to make it all work and I really wish that they had about. I wish they had been able to take more time and more care with it instead of being completely squiggly and maybe erased line in the Netherlands jutting into if they just gonNa make a little more smooth from beginning to end because they knew where they were going with it. But this is this is what we got and and I. I don't think they were ready to take either of those things away from anyone season through the writers in what they were going to give us so so we get. We get kind of what we got. The good place. Iteration got a little worse each time which is too bad like I think the best place in the very first time. Just sorta felt like they had more time to to have everybody doing their thing and learning what it was like to be good and wearing the good taste bad sides of it and then they kept trying to repeat it for subsequent seasons with iterations and sometimes in some shows and some movies where they kind of build on. What was there before and they build something better on top of it and I don't quite feel that they got that you know people say well it's too bad. We only have four seasons. I kind of would rather that. They hadn't tried to make another copy of in season. Five of that. Same thing I would say and this is probably blessed me not a joke but I would have been fine. Had it been two seasons but really jam-packed seasons that you know like you get the first one with its reveal and then you get the sharp decline and it's reveal but then you don't get to spend as much time with all the characters so I mean I I don't know I I feel like it could have been tighter definitely in places and it did start to get a little repetitive. Even when it was Zany because you we were working within the confines of the show like we got the gimmick so when it would start us over in some new way it was still starting over I don't think we needed to spend as much time with four people. We met this season. I don't feel like we had to spend as much time on earth this we did But if I if who knows what we wouldn't have got so if this is the show they wanted to make it. I'm glad I got to watch it. Affiliate gifted ended after two perfect seasons. I'd always want more and be like. Oh but what if they would have gotten more time and now it's like okay. See what they did with it and I'm happy with what they did and the time we got like. It's enough that I don't not that I'm not sad that it's over but I'm not asking. Oh I feel like they should come back and make another season like it feels complete and like doesn't feel like something that people are in two years. We're going to be like. Oh you should reboot that show whereas if it had just done like to jam packed seasons. I feel like that might have been the response. Yeah I think that's the topic of the issue with making television that you can have such a big deviation from the conception to realization because you're maybe right in line for four seasons on season one and probably if you show me an outline of of the show. I would say that seems like a good plan. It seems like it's an interesting idea. And it doesn't look like it's going to be full of filler repetition or it's going to get tiring but then you do it then you do see some wild and then you do season two and years go by and it's not all planned out from the beginning because you can plan a reproduction detail from the beginning. You don't know how it's going to play with the audience. You done know how ill were again. Holloway implemented so that that gap between conception and creation it allows for the show to can tumble of it. Then you have to be like a very good steward of the show and you have to choose either to stick to the plan which is can be good but generally there are things to be tweaked or you can just throw it all by the side and the start something new and sometimes it feels like the show love blurb outlined too much and. They didn't stop to think. Should we take this? Is this perfect? Is this the best possible version of the show that we can make and that kind of hard to little because they're just dig into your baby because it's yours and not thinking about what's best for the baby? Then I do feel like I mean. Even if we've got things to say that may not be like glowingly positive. This is this is the show for the ages for sure like it's not one where I could say to myself. Hey I'M GONNA EAT DINNER. Throw on a good place because I would be at a loss for which season we're in or where they're what they're doing wonder wh- what just happened before. And what just happened after like it's it's not that kind of half hour comedy but I could see myself revisiting this in its entirety just because of what it tried to do and what it was about. Which most comedies aren't about anything at all Richard? You have anything to add. Yeah Yeah not much else. They needed to do more with Tahani. Then we'd all be happy. Just keep on have to do that is one comes with with the exception of Tahani in this last season I feel like for the most part. They did a really good job about giving all the actors things to do throughout all all four seasons like they balanced it out. It wasn't always just eleanor. Show which I feel like it could have been based on what the casting was and all of that but they learned how to play to everyone straits and make the story interesting for all of our main people can sometimes them doing. There was there wasn't love. Triangles going on at various points between different character. I mean at the end of an. If you've you've watched the end of the season one but you know there was a point where to hunt. He thought she was in love with Chidi rank like. When did that happen? Oh I forgot about that one hall that gives her something to do and then you know at the beginning of season two. She's she's wearing cargo pants right and she's being tortured or various ways and that was that was adorable that Super Short soulmate Tan. She got the Little House that time and he knows that they got to do with these. These characters yeah And they were all in again. They all kind of did it so well. I think I've mentioned how his his affect with them. Jason was just so amazing. He made even this craziest lines like he just made everything work for you for Jason. He made the best with what he was given. And you know like Janet. I was actually trying to spot checking some episodes looking at Janet and like how does she carton was portraying her like. I can't do that. I think it changed west and I thought it was going to work. She was always kind of this weird smiley person just the whole time through and garden just kind of like you never thought well. This is a person playing a crazy robot right now. She just just did it. I mean Janet my goodness the versatility the the layers the quirkiness the fact that she's not a girl the number of times that she is essentially the one that saves them I in Michael's super layer to He goes from demon to not to wanting to be human being human or teaching the humans how to be more human. I would say I liked the I like the beginnings of all the characters that we got at the very start of team cockroach so basically the eleanor. We got at the beginning Jason. We've got at the beginning. Like Chidi in Donnie. We we had a really good sense of all those characters from the get go with with the exception of Jason until he actually spoke but I feel like they really have a handle on everyone right at the start. Like you've got all these terrible things. Eleanor had done in her life and we live with that with her. And at first you don't even think she's going to change. And then of course you know by the end she she may have changed the most just because she would never think to do the things that she did on earth But you know when we had a really strong sense of WHO Chidi was or when we had a really strong sense of who Johnny wasn't her frailties. Were like they just such a great job of that and sometimes they got a little lazy about it but the real like you said the real reason we love. This show is because we love the characters. I'd say the best part of the characters is holiday. Played each other and how the unsellable worked flawlessly ninety nine point nine percent of the time they always found a way to tie them all together and not give anyone a ton of protagonism or make it a single person episode they. They almost always try to tie everyone in and they did a pretty good job. And and you can feel that this this characters were really really friends and and they complimented each other mom more like facets of personality than Dennis characters independent from each other. They D- they made each other look. Good which if you didn't have that wouldn't work. Guess well it's interesting. You talk about Michael. I do think that in the same way that the the show had kind of a comfort zone about God of these characters the way they really wanted to always portray Michael was sort of bumbling hapless do-gooder and they got to have their kicking youtube because they got to have that be sort of him portraying a role in season one and then within a few episodes is kind of back to that even in season to like kind of switched around and I think we actually mentioned at one point and one of her upset. Hey suddenly Michael's kind of a good guy again at that happened. They didn't really earn that and I think they switched back to him doing that again. Maybe without earning it because they just really wanted it ranked like they wanted to write. Michael they wanted to write to dance as being genuinely nice person kind of bubbling. He has his own flaws. But you know he's the helper for everyone else and that's where the show worked best and they just they just hit those notes over and over and over again for most of the seasons He did get a nice little. He'll turn the end of the first season. And I guess this is where I remember that I probably should have put the spoiler down the beginning of the episode. But you had a few episodes of doing that. And and even then even during those few episodes where he was being the bad guy he was still kind of being a mentor. In certain ways these character. They could stop themselves from doing that with him. And I did have all the way through one of the good good parts of the of the show that they they really pretty much. They do what they were doing when they did it. And Kristin debts and can hit it out of the park and elected. I mean. That's the whole premise. Of the show. You he he was a demon but he was never portrayed as super evil more like this is my shell like human staff when he revealed himself as being the big bad the worst thing he could do to those characters. Sit Down and push a little plant off of the table. That was him showing how bad he wasn't a good that now. Of course Michael Michael. That's that's the worst thing you can think of to do. After you've been found out. He was never he would never really evil. Yeah he just I guess misguided he. He grew up in a demon family. And how demon friends and all think about was a team but only job you could have was torturing humans when you're in a fire. He was being typecast basically. It's the system. That's the problem we we saw that with. In some ways I think Glenn to as kind of the bumbling demon that maybe wasn't entirely evil the whole time lake had moments. You're just like you know this guy's not half bad and then he exploded and you know it's all I'll crazy after that but if this is going to be its own unique thing what is that in. What does that mean what? What is it going to change anything about? Tv is that going to change anything about TV for us. What do we think is? I think it's going to allow new creators to really put brave things out there and hopefully shows we'll take those chances I mean. Nbc Did this because it was Mike. Sure so it couldn't have just been kicked out of college with a crazy idea. I mean they. They knew what they were getting at least with him. But hopefully now that it exists and it's been put to film some of the more out there comedies can find a home especially if it was relatively successful in the ratings which I am. I'm not sure whether it was or not. I know a lot of word of mouth. Buzz and everybody was telling their friends. You gotta see this show. That is a thing that networks still like so kind of what happened with Park recreation. That you didn't necessarily have the best ratings but it was real. It made embassy good. I think I think I heard breeding I read some point about. Maybe maybe not but Yeah I don't think this was a really high ratings earner for NBC. But Yeah I don't think much is high ratings earners anymore in general right. Now there's the I do think that there been a lot of sort of really innovative and really out there. Dramas especially gritty dramas. Maybe westworld her breaking bad. Or what other things where they go out of these dramas were very bad. Things happen and it would be nice if this were able to spark kind of more invention and more imagination for Nice sitcoms. But you're not trying to be really dark and gritty and everything but you know just being John lydon maybe a little fluffy but still kind of challenging in their way it would be. I think it'd be nice if that helped with that because I don't think it's one reason we don't do that. I think people in TV think the only way to be innovative is to go dark and we're not I mean it it does but well that streaming is so readily available enemy. Maybe we don't get shows like Russian doll eve you know. It is darker than the good place but it tackles a lot of heavy lifting subjects for being a comedy in actual really funny comedy. Maybe it doesn't exist if this isn't here and maybe there's the next really great show that's GonNa come out because of this show. Is You do think Netflix. Rubio helped with successive the good place because a lot of people were able to see it. I think I know flex you were GONNA wash it on regular network TV. I think this is not going to be opening any doors for any new shows. Mostly because I feel like when you're trying to sell a TV show you have to compare it to something else. That was really successful. So you have to say like I don't know this is the game of thrones of making bits and I don't think because the show is such a thing in itself such one of things very much of their own. I don't think you can sell anything by saying this. Is the place of something so yeah. I don't see a path for these to open doors but I do see. Nbc Network has historically taking some chances with weirder stuff so they hope they continue doing that because it works for me. I like a lot of NBC stuff even. If it's not like a record breaker I guess it must work for them checking. Siri you mean. Think maybe the the legacy will be. Hopefully this'll open some doors for some of the other writers that were on the staff of the good place you know like Meghan Amraam is what I'm thinking of but I know there are others to directors and hopefully we'll see more of this cast in other things too. I feel like that potentially could be the doors. That open coming out of this is seeing some other people that have gotten chances to work with and right under Mike. Sure getting to run their own show. I'm excited to see where a lot of that staff goes next. William Jackson Harper has certainly been in some commercials. He may have been in other words. He was on Broadway last year to play. I don't remember what the play was. I tried to get tickets. But I couldn't go see it. And he was in mid Somare which is a movie that is scary and I will not see. Oh Yeah I haven't seen either. Jamila Jamila is going to be hosting a reality show. That's what I heard. I don't know what many's into as doing next bed. He I think bull land just fine on his feet. And you're that Ted Danson Israeli going places. Yeah so normally be part of the show where we talk about the joke machine. But since we're not reviewing ACTU- episode we don't necessarily have any specific jokes to go over so I think we came up with some questions and I'm not quite sure where we're gonNA go with us but we've got some questions here so maybe we can go around or maybe just whoever has the best answer can kind of raise their hand and talk about it. But what do we think about favorites? Who are who is your favorite minor character by q? Was Not one of the main cast but someone else came in. I think I have a good idea. Of what are the main answer is going to be most of? You're gonna like but someone who wasn't in the main cast you only came on occasionally who is who is the minor character you like nest. I think for me Sean. Was anybody for not anyone. Who WASN'T SEAN? Raise your hand. Derek is my favorite by long Derek. Or someone else no Glenn Good Okay Okay. So we're all different and then mine I would have to show. He's probably actually the best monarch. Did we got see but I was gonNA say Vicki against because I did I did. I'm not sure she got the best but she she got you the first episode where she is revealed as the demon and then the last episode where she talks like she's all about acting good. Dutcher through line for the entire characters. He was at least consistent about okay. Well she's the demon. So I guess that tells you a lot of are what make sure things actors okay so then? Let's see if we can come up with their favorite episode. I mean it feels like chuck but the Janet's episode upset one Richaud also. Well no I'll let you guys. It's because you're probably come up with my second one my next okay. I would say I'm GonNa go think it's episode Double Check Episode Four. Tahani algae meal which is really when we find out who Jason is. You know we find out at the very end of episode three when he freaks out but then that episode where Eleanor and she. D- are dealing with the fact. John you is Jason to Hani's trying to open a restaurant. I forgot how funny that chef character was the yelling chef. The yelling happy chef the whole just re watched it recently but like that episode. I felt like a lot of things especially re watching it knowing the torture that Michael was putting on them. That episode was at the point. Where I'm like this is going to be a really good show with the butthole joke. That were that. Yeah that's got the introduction of the bud whole stupid Knicks. We saw Jason Throw Molotov cocktail for the first time it. All Genesis of a lot of jokes glen falls in a whole heavier. What would your favorite episode? Yeah it's season. Two episode to bestself is the episode. The House the good biparti. When they think that they're going to be get they're going to be captured by Shawn and the demons. And they have this this party and they named Michael on human and they're all onus and opened with each other like it's one of the most poignant besides aggressively stuck with me. Yeah Yeah gaggy did I like episodes well. Does that was in the running for me? But for me my favorite episode was I think it was the second or third episode and season to Dance Dance Resolution? I think that was. That was the one where Jason and Michael have their talk and Michael's like I met my my wits end. I don't know what to do. So what the Heck. I'm going to talk with with Jason and Jason gives us death-row tuition story and Michael's quake. Yeah that was really ridiculous that gave me an idea and I just loved the two. I'm not sure we ever quite solve the two of them acting together like that again. Because you just didn't really get a lot of one on one talks with people I know. Think except maybe eleanor. But it's loved the way there's you bounced off of each other and and this also You Michael being he being mean but he was also just sort of being himself and I just I just love that scene so so yes. That's actually come up with the favorite joke. I actually didn't have time to cook it. We'll get the old jokes myself so there are so many jokes. There are thank you I can tell you that there is one. That is very much under the radar. But it tickles me. And that is the visual joke but also the dialogue surrounding the fact that she can summon books like Thor. I just think that being the one thing that brings him the most joy in the world is just perfect and it makes me laugh just thinking about it. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure how to frame it goes. It's also big blockbuster like Michael having a midlife crisis I like. He's he's the way that he faced with having the Janet and the car spoken. The did the sunglasses that was fun. I think my favorite running joke is just all to Hani's random celebrity stories everything from James Franco and his ironic trolley to Johnny Depp. But just never knew what was going to come out of her mouth with a celebrity of random things that you learn. I still want still don't know what happened with Bruno. Mars and Dr Ruth. Somehow they wrote up town phone some basketball player involved too. I remember who else it when she always mentioned them by first name right you could infer who they were but it took me a minute to sort of her godmother. Diana. I'm not gonNA mention what she was. Princess of my friend got to the microphone. Oh my friend Taylor my friend when they just kept coming up with them like the writers must have had one hundred of those ready to go but then again just to Jamila. Djamil was just so good at it. Just routing them off in the midst of other things and I think it wouldn't have worked with with with a lot of other actresses so yeah that worked really well. There's also the win was dealing with the the filter the filter and a lot of fun ones. But the one that sticks in my mind was Was she saying you know when I say ashish actual nothing. Asham saying asshole right and just the way she said it was. I guess I knew exactly what you're saying. But of course she's always just staying actual. So that tickled my friends. Jason moments that we're not thinking of at the moment. He just had so many weird things and even just the beginning. What was it like I something like I got? I got in trouble one time. He's talking about getting in trouble. When I my jet ski hit a manatee and it's in Florida that happens all the time or something and that was that was I think one of his first lines right to the end of that was in the episode. I mentioned TANI ALGAE MEAL. Yeah he that was one and something else. That was like very much. That's when you found out. He USED TO BE BLISS OFF. He was like an amateur. Dj and this and that and she's like none of those who job she asked. We asked Jason what he does. He comes up with all these things. I love his love you just the joy when EC two ballooned that networks. Oh I think caviar we have a. We have a request for you to describe the characters. The good place called say the main characters skip place as as baked goods. Is that something that you're able to for US This evening yeah. I think I can do that. I've got Michael Black and white cookie. He's like all the Yin and Yang light on the okay to be a demon now. God and isn't a combination. What makes us all human rights? That's true it makes us all. Cookies makes us. How sweet and sugary diaby delicious. I got Haniya a luxurious Panitan or Brioche bread. Some kind of over the top and reach breath will egg yolks and fruits and stuff because well that that's pretty obvious. I guess something setting. Yeah very fancy expensive. I got Jason Fortune Cookie. Yeah that's great that's great because He means well and even his right every once in a while but yeah all he's messages are kind of cryptococcal and bay. So Yeah Jason Plus well. He really deserves to be called baked right. He's always yeah Janet. Asaba Eagle. It's a sandwich south. She's chewing and soft Bertha dill. I'm practical she. She easier breath for every need. She's available for every every reason than she has a giant boyd inside so yes get really good good good. You're wondering well go with that one so we have a truly Julian owner. Yup I you know I forgot about Chitty. That's something I completely forgot to write a description of a shady but I got Eleanor S M. Sour dough starter. Because she needs a lot of love and attention and can be a real flaky if it entry right but with patients that she she will become very reliable and she'll be an ace under the sleep for for every meal for every situation and I guess cheating game is because God decide what recipe to use. That's very right. That's perfect actually. Yeah very good and then I think we we had the question. About what restaurant would you visit? But I didn't get a chance to look at the restaurant. The restaurant that they wanNA mention or do you want to move on with. Yeah I'd go to bend yeas in the jets spit. My favorite is Sushi and the band cheese. I like chicken soup for the mouth to the very very sticks on sticks was one of them what they serve. But it's hot dog on a stick on a stick with one. Oh yeah yeah no necker share. That work question was what would what would your own good. If you were designing your and good place as good place someplace to reward yourself what would you reward yourself with in in a good place? If you could have anything you want to go to couches reclining chairs a very stocked pantry and a very cool kitchen projector with a surround system Internet computer than the Board Games and friends to to play them with you. Mention one thing but there is going on here. Do you basically populating your home when that's the interesting thing right. So why did he kind of talk about how? What if what you want from? The good place has to involve other people who aren't necessarily ready to always do the same thing. It was an interesting conundrum that they spend a lot of time on spending time on. Yeah so yeah And of course you probably wouldn't want to be in a good way just by yourself. So does that was. GonNa come up. But they're not too good to get set up. Rachel did you ever at I want. I want the spot that Tahani created for her in. John isn't able to hang out in a really nice spa for a day after day. But if we've learned anything it's that you get tired of what you wanted like right away. That's your wouldn't want to spend eternity in that in that spot so I actually would what nobody around for sure. I don't get a ton of alone time. I would just love for some quiet and like blanket and nobody needing anything for me for a while speaks to me because I feel for Janet. Everybody needs something from her all the time and boy would. I like to give Janet a break because I would like a break. So that's fine. I wanted to be quiet and it makes the neurosurgery so I was Kinda thinking about. I think we had talked about this. Offline at one point about what we might want to put in our good places and I said I wanted on books But actually I have refined that concept since we last talked about it and I actually a sort of a book rest that is sorted according to what I would like to read. What are we get the most enjoyment from reading and so the most enjoyable reads or at the beginning and then the rest is further back in containing that? It's probably going to be really long list of books that means. I have to sort of worry that I'm going to the next book I'm going to try to read is going to be boring or or not like or whatever else. I always know that I can just pick the next book for like a thousand Bucks and just Oh. This is exactly what I want to read. This read next and I guess they're bad places the same with the list sorted it the other way round. Yeah Yeah so that would be bidding. That would be what I would want. And of course it's like podcast. Steroid their billion books probably in the world and I want to be able to read every language of course so that I could read books from anytime could in the future good in the future so that would probably keep me busy for a while. I asked heavier question. I want to hear his his answer. Because I think it'll be good. Who's your famous godparent heavier? Well my Famous Cup. Parents is obviously incomparable. Settling and yes the Sepah. Lean the actual settling Zeppelin. Big Ben Really opened up possibilities. Well I'm not going to top that I just wanted to know what you heard that fee. Does anyone else have got parents that they were going to present to us? Now that I know it can be Zeppelin. Yeah I didn't really think about it too much into have one from my own. 'cause it's hard you know. There are a lot of people right. Hugh maybe they're famous. Maybe they're important but they're not necessarily good people right so it's kind of hard for mom and of course none of them admitted to the good place in the last five hundred years so no garth Maybe the Eiffel Tower can be my godmother. Yes there are doing. We're definitely picking landmarks now. Is that a big dig. Bank could do. It does that flooding Eiffel Tower. The Colossus of Rhodes right like with anything. I don't even know what looks like right because no one really knows what it looks like so I'm sure the local library will take pity on me and throw me up for adoption so being remodeled. Right now yeah that'll happen. Yeah it'll be nice as as with everything. This podcast must come to an end at some point. So do you have any closing thoughts before we go kind of a last episode of the of team Cockroach the podcast team coverage now We may come back in the future. Who knows he may have their ideas about TV stuff that we want to do stuff that we do individually. I'm sure we all have a grand future in podcast one way or another this show. So how do we want to end this? What do people want to say? I'm just glad I got to spend so much time with you. Guys this has been really nice. Good people and good friends and I'm glad we got to watch the show together. Glad we all met each other. And hopefully we've had a couple listeners. That have enjoyed this journey with us and glad. We've just gotten the chance to do it. You don't think we ever really told her. Origin story that we are listeners of the podcast network the incomparable to the incomparable dot com. You probably know that if you're listening to it and that's how you'd find us otherwise but So there are a number of different listener podcasts. People who are not necessarily the regular hosts of the incomparable shows. But just people who've listened to it and people who have paid to be part of members of the incomparable. Get to be on the slack. And that's going people in there. So if you on the fence about paying for the incomparable evidence encourage you to. But we were all I think most members of the incomparable and the squawk and we just you know people were saying. Hey there hasn't been a flash cast podcast about the excuse me about the good place for the first year that they were there and and we all kind of came together with the first four people who volunteered to be on it and it's never worked together before but yeah. It's been a lot of fun I to do. So and this is where I will also thank congestion. Stellan the uncomfortable for hosting this show. We haven't been had to deal with any of that stuff ourselves. They've been they've been to host us in the website whereas the uncomfortable slash. Tv T. V. E. Swoosh good place. I think is a good place just good? I think it's just good was video. We'll be up there and for all the episodes. If you want to come back go back. And do in the future But yes thank you comfortable and I guess is where I think all of my co hosts for the last time Sarah Gardner. Thank you for being on team cockroach. Thank you for having me all of you and heavy which is which thank you much like the show. The most important is not the nation about the friends who make along the way. The guy's indeed Richard Adam and thank you. Well Yeah thank you and good night. Everyone everyone and we will see you around. That kind of broke me. Yeah I was thinking about like you can't say see you next time because we're not going to be next week not in this for no no. We'll just keep our slack. Channel going yeah.

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Isabel Hardman's Sunday Interviews Roundup - 24/02/19

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10:30 min | 2 years ago

Isabel Hardman's Sunday Interviews Roundup - 24/02/19

"Hello and welcome tea coffee house shelf suspect tater daily politics podcast. I'm is about Hartman. And this is this Sunday round up. So few rich began the morning by interviewing shook a minnow one of the original seven MP's who broke away from the labor party on Monday to form the new independent group Muna who had once been regarded as one of Labour's rising stars explained why he felt the split was necessary off the really soul-searching on this issue. Can I know conscience say that I want to major Michael been prime minister and the team around him put them in charge of our national security now the twenty seventeen general Nash, nobody thought that that was going to be a prospect a feature generation it could be a prospect. And in conscience, I can't do that. Secondly that both as bad at each other. I don't want either a neighbor or Tory government and the third thing choice between them. Both is bad is each other. As I said, I'm really the third point is this. I mean, if you look at what has transpired in the party, all for pulling culture, which is illustrated vividly by the disgraced one semitism in the party at this rule hatred of people of other opinions refusal to accept the actually it might be okay. Not to necessarily think everything the German been says is golden it's become unbearable. And I think ultimately that is what drew his driven people to leave the party. And it's the great sadness. I wish I still felt the same as I didn't twenty sixteen but don't. You say it's been barrel. Has it actually been like? Going to meetings being heckled shouted that. I have received no threats from supporters of the leader where I've had to call in the police and somebody was arrested. Ultimately, you don't join a party to be fighting year after year of the people within it you join a political party because you want to change our country and change the world, and I found that a ridiculous amount of my time is being taken up dealing with internal matters. Times is being extremely unsettling. And a new question, why am I doing this? You know, this is not normal. And I've been on your show. We're not being on your show before I said, Paul the problem in politics at the moment is the the extraordinaire become only these types of behaviors if the come alive. Jeremy Jeremy Corbyn, but I'm sorry. I also blame other people who have acted as by standards, which went on to speak to the shadow trade secretary Sarah Gardner Gardner responded toward his former colleague it said. I'm really confused because check on the one hand says that over the past two years things on Brexit have changed the fats of changed. The context is changing. Therefore, we need people to have a second vote on it. And yet when it comes to his own constituency, where the facts have certainly changed. She's no longer a labor party member of parliament. But an independent he says the people in his constituency don't have been you vote on it. So there's real inconsistency there. But quite honestly, what I thought was really came across most out of that particular interview was that Hugh was somebody who had no great policy difference. It. It was all about personality. And when it came to that bit where you asked him about did you want to become the leader of the party? It was very clear to me that in effect the reason that he wanted to leave the labor party was that he knew he could never be the leader of the labour party. And this is about personality. Let's focus in politics on policies. However, Labour's deputy leader, Tom Watson told Andrew mauve the leadership needed to be much more proactive when it came to anti semitism in the party, Jeremy Corbyn interchange. That's of course, of course, Jeremy needs to understand that if we're going to be a number ten he needs to change the labor party. And there are things we need to do firstly. We've got a radical anti semitism, anti Jewish racism in all its forms. I mean this week. I've heard fifty complaints of antisemitism from my parliamentary colleagues that I shared with Jeremy and for us to address that. Now, I think he needs to take a personal lead on examining those cases. And if necessary recommend into our any see what has to be done. You see I think he was reports that Lord Faulkner who's a very senior figure in the labour party, former turn. General has been put in charge of dealing with anti semitism in the party. Jeremy Corbyn said again, and again, and again that he's hostile to anti semitism and lots of cases have been heard by the labor party and discipline releases have been sent I'm wondering what more he can really be expected to he has said that he's not done in his name. But the problem is the test for us the test for him as leader he's to radically anti semitism, and it's not what the labor party members that will be the that. It's the British Jewish community. And I think he understands that have to be prime minister he needs to rebuild that trust. And the way you do that. Yes. Tony phone is very important appointment that we get an independent scrutiny of that. But the way he will now have to do is to review those cases and go to the where he is in control. They will back him. If he says these people need to be thrown. And that's the only solution because we against he has to do it all himself. These cases cases, I think the situation is so grave. That he understands he make a personal intervention. We appointed a new general secretary made her priority to deal with it. I mean, very patently Jenny Formby reforms have not been adequate they have not succeeded and therefore it requires. Another sort of push to try and make sure that Joe Donald says one case of antisemitism and allied parties, and acceptable. We need zero tolerance approach to that. Mar also interviewed microwave about the three cabinet ministers have been tempted by these so called Cooper bowls amendment which would seek to extend the article fifty process and ruled out to NATO Brexit, three of your cabinet colleagues have said if we don't get a meaningful vote this week, then they are going to support an extension of article fifty or the Brexit's delayed beyond the end of March is not government policy among country. That is what he said. But I do pretty much I think different petitions being placed on but to be fair to the three they've all outline their concerns about a new deal outcome, and I entirely understand their concerns. I didn't think no deal would be in our interest. But it's also the case that if we don't owner the decision of seventeen point four million people to leave the union. Band that it would be big difficulties as well. So what about Tory m p possibly including them who next week might vote for a motion to extend article fifty two tied the government's hands and extend article fifty note, you should they should they resign from the government before doing that? Or is it not acceptable? I think I think the motion that's been put before us the motion that event Cooper has drafted and his backed by people like all of let when I think is a mistake, and I would urge colleagues not to vote for it. Because it's it's not just about a potential extension of article fifty. It's about taking power away from the government. And who knows where we might end up. We might end up with a second referendum, which we do real damage to politics, but more than that all the vet Cooper amendment does as well as taking power away in this way. Leagues is to seek to extend not to advance our affective movement towards a deal. So it is not an answer to the situation we face, which is how can the house of Commons unite behind a deal and yet and yet many of your own colleagues, take a diametrically opposite view and the planning to vote with that kind of amendment next week. Should they resign from the government worst? I know I don't think that they should vote for it. I think they resigned from the they should stay in the government, and they should vote against vets or allowed to renew. They should stay in the government and vote against vets amendment Andrew in order to them to do that. But they they could vote other way. And finally Ma asked the former labor MP Birger if they could be trouble ahead for the new independent grieve. Now, they have been joined by three consecutive MP's. Are you a big fan of George Osbourne? We're not going to be on everything that we come from different. Who traditions we come from different generations? So we come from different parts of the country. But what binds us together is our values and our commitment to doing something different on behalf of the constituents. The jury knows. Together with Anna soubra who said I personally think George did a great job. I'm a big fan of George Osborne's the coalition government did a marvelous job. How can you sit along somebody who thinks that about thirty this Anna when she was on television on Friday talking about the challenges in her local area that have been so affected by not just in the poll how that money's been distributed? And the biggest issue in minor in Liverpool while we're facing so many times is because the waiting that probation were taken out of the funding formulas and say in areas like Liverpool. We saw we've seen a sixty four percent cuts to Elektra thirties. Budgets. Warm off decisions that take place at various as I said. As I said there's going to be things that we disagree on. And that's part of seeking to do going forward is we're going to operate in an adult way, which is on party lines. So for this week. I'm is behold -ment in this podcast was produced by Matthew Taylor. Forget subscribe to the coffeehouse shorts focused on the chain store. And we also have a special offer. You can subscribe to the spectator for six weeks just six pounds and you receive a free Amazon gift card worth ten pounds. Just go to spectators, courtesy K food slash voucher and do you. Enjoy this podcast do subscribe to our daily evening blend. Email is a free round up. 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596: The Good Place S4E9 Review: "The Answer"

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41:04 min | 1 year ago

596: The Good Place S4E9 Review: "The Answer"

"Oh Richard despite having the entire day off and the entire week of I only watched the episode one taking notes so okay well. I took took notes which I don't usually do. The the balance of the universe is restored. Welcome back to team cockroach podcast about the good place a weekly comedy on NBC. By Mike. Sure I'm Rachel Ataman and with me are my two of my co hosts I have Andrew Pontius Tie Andrew See original and Sarah Gardner. Hi Sarah Hi Okay and we are huge talk about episode nine. I believe I think it's nine. The answer is yes. So a quick recap we start off with team cockroach in the the judge's chambers as they try to restore cheese memories and as Michael Restores. Td's memories we see flashes lashes of his life from the time he's a baby up through his death and then flashes of him encountering all of our many the friends throughout the several reboots. We've seen previous in the good place. After michaels finger snap is complete clete. Cheetahs memories are restored and he seems to be prepared to help the team. Get the the answers to what they should do with the afterlife so It's just sort of an overarching view. The episode of what did ever think of this one. I'm probably going to be a little bit of a buzzkill on this episode. I never really bought Eleanor in. Td It romantically. And and I feel like this episode was really trying for me to get there and I'm still not there. Yeah I'm the exact opposite. This is probably Louis my favorite episode of the whole series really. Oh my hear how yeah. I liked that. They took a clip show and made it it different. They made their own. You know and I liked he no cute little Chidi and all that stuff. The jokes were still good. Like they always are but yeah I'm just not there with the two of them. I know it's I know I'm supposed to be and I know I'm a big softie. It's not worshiping so Richaud you're when you're in favor of the relationship. What did you about this episode? I just liked the all the different scenes that we got to see more context about life and felt like it felt more realistic with eleanor. GD I've always been on board with eleanor and Chidi. But I don't don't totally understood where people were coming from where they didn't feel there was enough context. And I kinda felt like this episode gave a little more of that contacts tax and it reminded me a lot of the the season. Two finale where we got eleanor's life kind of on earth earth right before and after she died like it kind of reminded me of that episode and I liked that one as well where it focused on the one character but and I thought it was great that they gave Chidi interactions with all of our other characters even though it was very much focused on his life yet yet she is. I mean he's always my favorite so I'm glad I got a Chidi episode especially since this season has been so light on his presence I guess do we want to kind of go through the episodes scene by scene and discuss what happens so we start out with with the slow mo or talking about rebuilding Chidi and Michael is like. It's going to be a challenge. GotTa do like you said eight hundred to reboots regular life and then the three extra lies after all the reboots. He's gotTa Make Chidi WE'VE Go through and flashback and we get a baby Chidi who proceeds to get a name and stomach ache at the same time. I mean one thing. There was also nice because the framing device around. It was that every so often we go back to the fact that Michael is still snapping. His fingers in everything is in motion and mostly. It's Jason is spilling his drink so we get more and more of the drink being spilled every couple of seconds and for the entire episode which was a Nice Niche running joke. I but framed it well and gave it a bit of a bit of dramatic heft to the episodes right like this. Is You know were going through his entire life and word about this point through his wife and his afterwards and everything I did. I thought they handled that pretty very well. And then the end is but we'll get to the end. Then but I did like the framing device. So we get. Then we fast forward to an eight-year-old Chidi who over. Here's his parents arguing. He's lying in bed one night and proceeds to Read all about divorce and we'll give a nice lecture to his parents about why they should not get divorced and seems to be fairly successful. What did everybody think about an eight year? Old Chidi lecturing his parents so as a a plot device to get us with Chidi. I like it. I like knowing that. That's how he was when he was a kid. I don't like the plot lines where they try and get parents back together generally But they do kind of do a better job of it than other sitcoms where he no. He realizes that he wasn't the reason that they were back together. Sorry nope go ahead. I've just say filth lake It wasn't necessarily the he was getting them back to get like they were fighting but it didn't quite seem like they were on the brink of divorce or had Ito at that point so I feel like it may be a little more realistic than like the parents who have separated and the kids are trying to get them back together. I see an eight year olds. Mind just going. They're hearing his parents arguing arguing about something. The thing that saved it for me for that episode for this episode is that they do say later that yeah. He wasn't really even though he saw he had succeeded in this. He wasn't really doing what he thought he was doing. And that. That wasn't what the parents were getting out of it. That was that was the part where the show won me over this. This wasn't a hallmark hallmark episode. Right this was a show about real people and that that made it you know it was meant to be a joke when we were going. Oh Hey look at the funding Chidi eight year old. Who's doing you know handing out syllabuses for people? But you know. But when you're trying to make me empathize with these people. It helped to have that bit at the end where you were saying. Yeah even even if we are treating him as a regular trial and this would you know. This wouldn't work so angry but we do but we do like. His Dad is at the university. All the time is a workaholic. So we can see where it gets to be some of his traits from yeah and after the Lecture Chidi goes to school and we see him talking to his friend Ouzo so who. We've not seen this actress before. Obviously because they're eight years old but it's the friend we've seen in the past and says you know my my plan worked worked and now I know if I just steady and think enough I can find the answer to anything and then he proceeds to try to find the answer to wear to sit in the classroom the cake what did you do notice Even when he was an infant at the beginning did say oh. It looks like he's got a stomach ache and I thought that was back when they were asking him if he wanted. If you liked his name I think that was did he. Did he make the choice of his name. The first choice he's encounters. You know as a as a person in the world and he can't deal with it but am I wrong in the sense that they haven't talked about it in terms of looking for the answer before or have I ever been missing ever framed as the answer before he. I think he was always looking for an answer to two questions but I don't know why. They framed perfect way to do so. The perfect answer the perfect solution or something yeah but never quite dot framing so. They basically rewrote his wife to have that as the focus. The whole thing and he has been concerned with soulmates. Like many times and so you know they make that dovetail. Yeah well this is the first time but we we can get it but this is the first time where he he made. It sound like he had been thinking about so mates on earth. I don't remember hearing that before. I remember being pleased that he had a soulmate but remember him saying. Oh Yeah I always wanted one. You know whether that really needed a alive or not before. I don't know but it did feel like that. was something new that this idea that he'd always wanted to soulmate even when he was alive. This is the first time we've seen a lot of Chidi like on earth because this is the first time we've seen like where he's from and his parents like. We saw him as an adult before. But I feel like the other characters. We've seen more of their childhood childhood. We've seen parents for all of the other Earth characters who've seen him Tani's parents we've seen donkey. Doug ugh awful right. They wanted to show they didn't they didn't go to find. CD's parents during their year on earth. Because if they weren't awful so this is just kind of feel like maybe the soulmates staff. Just never came up because we didn't get that part of cheese back back we did. We did see some of him. We we've seen scenes of him as a child before it because they were the where he was trying to pick people to be on a team or or something like that and you just took forever and all of those moments where he was getting really annoyed at him I think is that his marriage I think and that was a bit of the last. We've seen right before he got hit with the refrigerator. Duration unit whenever it is air conditioning. Before so and I did think of those things together pretty well. If this didn't feel like it it was something totally different more of the same life to me again with with did more of the focus on having to be answered but I did feel like they. They didn't repeat too many scenes in the stuff they repeated from the previous seasons. They went by pretty quickly but so it was all kind of new footage which is twenty right. It's a quick show but with mostly new footage But it was still his wife and I do remember a decent number of scenes from him back once we found out that he was. You know a bad person and And this this worked without yet says right and that kind of leads into we get a bit of adult Chidi with the girlfriend. And we'd seen him. I think it's the same actress that he was laying in bed with. Okay prior to find all these same actress but I think they were intending it to be the same person's the same kind of showed her in bed with him right before they in the flash before they went to the dinner So you know. They have the dinner with his parents. The parents talk about how he saved the marriage and all this kind of stuff and how cute it was and then his girlfriend's like we have to break up. She does not understand because they read philosophy together in their book club. And you know you can't break up the book club. And then his thesis adviser Iser piles on his a terrible writing because he was wanting to write about every philosopher ever and he can't just pick one so then we wind up with Chidi talking to about how bad his week has been. It does seem like a pretty bad week. I felt bad for charity. And then it got really bad because he died and that was the worst. We had different girlfriends than the one. We saw getting earlier flashbacks. I think how does he keep getting these these wonderful girlfriends when he has such a hard time dealing doing with people but I guess if it was basically the same one key wealth. I guess I think it's supposed to be the same when it may not have been but yeah I don't think the was. I had anything else about the lifetime of. Td surprised he was able to keep his friend. Who's Oh as long as Zi was put up with him but the friend also in the back and this was the same actor too I think and in this time around in his scenes again his he he talks about? You know you. You've never is an answer. There isn't a right answer and again previous have you seen. He wasn't talking quite like that but at the same thing I think he was at his wedding is the best man and he got a ruined a wedding and all that and we didn't see all that this man we just saw that last seen before forget so and you know they're going through it really quick which is good because I think the did need to go pretty fast to keep it interesting. Do dip knowing move onto afterlife. Yeah so we get a perspective of Michael Welcoming Chidi to the afterlife life. And we see he starts torturing him with making choices immediately those good Michael Shows Miss House and introduces a magic agic fridge. That gives him all the food the food he wants to eat so he doesn't have to make choices about breakfast and she gets introduced to. Janet gets to ask her a question and can't think of a question so the end of it just asks to trivial question and Janet answers then Chidi asks. If there's a fridge for soulmates or for people I guess for relationships I think is what he said. Michael says there is such a thing as soulmates and few come to the House that looks like face in an hour. You'll meet hers and I think he says something about the answer to that question is eleanor so with he that's the first. Here's about Eleanor you're and then it. Who so andy? Buddy have any comments or questions about that little welcoming section. It was. Oh Oh I'm sorry I was just GonNa say it was nice that she dis pre eleanor. Living space is the one that we're seeing him in this season that that was. That's a good touch. Were I think was. Do you remember if that was actually the one that he was in. I think it is they could ever. Yeah Yeah I think it is what we one scene in there. I think when the first season something she went to visit him or something or saw him in there or something something I but I don't remember it looking exactly like this but I also don't remember very clearly so I was wondering about that because that was the thing like I wasn't sure if they had skipped ahead from him dying to the version of him in this way just because Michael was kind of being. Nice Dave it's also kind of torturing but he it was kind of being nice to him in a way that felt like maybe he wasn't. Maybe this was trying to encourage him to be better instead of just torturing him and for me at least that was kind of effective. Because then I didn't know oh which one it was until he mentioned that the so mate was eleanor. Instead of Simone Michael so good season one that we didn't realize story Surgery Hall seasons should've been clear to me but in my I didn't know how much we're going to skip. And this told me that they were going to go through the whole thing thing but it gave me a few minutes of being a good unsure of it because again this into a pretty new. So that's only about that and you went. You knew that they were torturing him. I mean he was just yeah it was there. He was so good at it torturing judy he was and so we flash forward a bit through the first sta season are and we go. Get to Jason in Janet's Wedding or eight minutes after their wedding hideo. Okay and Chidi sit and look at pictures and Chidi an Jason have a moment where Chidi asked him you know. How could you make such a big decision region so fast and Jason Impart some classic Florida Advice? you don't WanNa get sucked into the the propellers of the swamp boats so you got a quick. I thought it was cute and I also like the Chidi was looking through wedding pictures for eight minutes before four with them I you know. GM It also. It shows how far she's come her little. You know. I thought I was too old to get married. I'm infinity you know and then we know that by the end of the episode. Janet is pretty emotional. So having flashbacks flashbacks have also earlier versions of hurt. It was kind of NEAT. What I think this is the first of I think? GD Is basically asking everyone or getting into talk to everyone about saying. I can't be like that. How are you and I do think that was also kind of a good framing for this kind of turned into something new even though it was mostly a show Wherever I go how do I how do I get better? Because we then we see at the end that he has gotten better because of all of them yet and so after that. We flash forward through the soulmates of all of the reboots. So we get to see that sheedy was matched with Tahani the at some point somebody named Karen and then a person who may be by favorite bit player on the place was his soulmate. Esmerelda who likes to bring knives to game night and sleep with Ravens in a nest with somebody with somebody saying I think in our in our squawk that That was Meghan and not know her name. Is Kate somebody I think somebody. Yeah somebody had asked if she would if that was Meghan. Ramat was not at the advocate in the mix or something. Maybe I think but she was in something. She's been in a couple other. Things is but I really enjoyed that character but the actress did a great job portraying a goth soulmate for Chidi and she was terrible charades. That didn't tip him off that he wasn't in the good place right. Yeah run when I mean now that she wasn't a good person she could have been but I think he would have been scared to that. That episode is that part is where he asks to Johnny. Hey how were you able to do things without getting frozen up about it and she says well. I failed a lot knowing knowing her life. Yeah that makes that makes seems to Jive with the other stuff that we've learned about her that she just had a life full of not living up to other people's expectations and That game night is where in this version of the reboot he's Get paired with eleanor and She asked him to to tutor her in philosophy and so they then they fast forward three months. Later in that reboot and talking about the philosophy tutoring and more about Chidi soulmate and whether she notices he's gone and eleanor kisses him and he asked think it was. What why? And who believe questions for Eleanor. Ed she sort the imparts some advice in that regard So what did everybody think of that scene. I think we'd seen the alley kiss in the montage last season. Right before the reboot was nice to get some context there. I wondered why that seem seemed familiar. MILLIER SO I. I know that I've been a little bit of a drag on this but this scene was actually pretty cute it it Comey but with characters. I like anyway so good job. Yeah I think I I kind of like there's episode more when it was about the idea of them being together rather than them the actors trying to have the kind of chemistry that you would want to see if they were going to be this couple and but that'd be crystal. She just could have chemistry with a mailbox. She's she's and is mostly herb coming onto. GD and trying to show how she feels and opening yourself up to him. And I think she does a really good job of it and we can get at the end as to what I think of how he's doing with it. But I like this one and and it was a you know Kim responding to then him still being Chidi and he you know again he does a really good job of being cheating and they reviewed up writing him as being indecisive sites and funny and everything else who gave this scene. Both of them were kind of doing what they do. Best and that was not sort of being in love with each other just yet but drew. Yeah and then we kind of go from this through a what I would say a falling in love montage where we get a lot of of everything else that happened between eleanor in Chidi throughout a lot of the other reboots and then throughout earth too and then the time where cheese memories have to be erased. We sort of fast forward to that. And they're talking with each other talking talking about I don't remember what they were talking about. Michael comes up and it's time for you to go and So then he and Chidi walkaway and have a discussion on soulmates. Which is where we find out that she didn't magically Jackley fix his parents? They were at their relationship and they got counseling. and Michael doesn't know whether or not there's a soul mates awesome to have that kind of discussion. And what did everyone think of the scene. This might be my favorite scene of the episode. Chidi Michael can of laying it up up together at the little catch and cheese throat when he realizes that he's learned something important and the earnestness of Michael all throughout it. It was just it was that part was actually pretty special. I can also have chemistry with anything on earth. And he's it just. He's just so good at that in that mentoring role where he's kind of a kind kind of mentor and you know He. He can play that role even when he's playing evil Michael and he can still play that role really. Well I think and here of course he sort of kind of Michael now and and everything else but whenever he gets a chance to sort of impart wisdom to some of the other era members of team cockroach tend to be good scenes maybe just because they write them way maybe 'cause dance and seems to hit out of the park but yeah all the bits about now about his parents about maybe there are other things to this ought to sort of seek getting sort of advice from everyone wisdom from everyone throughout the episode and this was the Chancellor Michael to do that for him and I think I did. I liked that aspect of it. So so yeah. And then he talks to Janet after retreive. Yeah he calls Dan it and asks for a piece of pen pen and a piece of paper and he writes something down own and gives it to. Janet insists I ever see you again. Give this to me in a nice car. Back to the end of the season. One there with the Peace River Bermuda and Janet looks a little teary eyed ready to wipe cheese this memory and Then we see Chidi wake up in the present and takes a second and looks around and says he's feeling pretty good and after another few seconds he looks at Janet and he's like I want my note now she's like but if you know I have a note you know what it says. And he says yes. But I'd like to see it because some of the best writing I've ever written and Pulls out the paper and we get a look and his Sense it says there is no. There is no answer and I think answers in quotation remarks and then underneath it says but the answer is eleanor. So what did everybody think of that. Plot device it was a nice pairing with the note from previous season. It was sentimental which I think we all probably appreciate knowing. This is the final final season about time to have. Td Mak just reminds me how much I like. Chidi kind of wigs Super Chidi wreck like cheating warned all of the lessons. He needs to win in life right like he's he no longer. He's he's ready to see that he was super annoying for the most of his wife. I'm not sure he's ever necessarily a realized that. With as much dispassionate objective Pity as he did this time around and he did right away and he was just like you know the reward is the journey or the journey is our award or something like that you know. He's just seemed totally Zen and just ready to to to just do what you need to do. And not worry about it and I was like wow this is. I'm not sure for me that was that it did seem like the whole episode was leading up to the fact that he had learned enough to be like this now but it still didn't quite seem like we saw him change to be that. Maybe maybe the idea was that he was already that way by the end of but but you know when he was about to get zapped again because he did seem Brighi Pretty together with theirs is innings era. You're saying you don't wages Rachel who was saying don't necessarily by the the relationship I don't necessarily buy that he's improved because I'm not sure I believe that we've seen him improve so I think there are probably like trying to say that with the course of all these lives. He synthesizes all that and he's better but I feel the same way you do. When he loosened up his shoulders and just a snapped to it it was it was abrupt? Yeah well and he was still worrying worrying about the hat where at the end of the season before whilst he failed that test so miserably that he would have had to have changed since then my brain is telling me anyway I get them. It's just a show. But that was before the whole season on earth again right though that Detroit so he got true we got all of that development and he got his memories back at that point sort of and also you have to remember that the end of season into. He's still only had one. Lifetime's worth of memories. He didn't remember all the things that happened in those eight hundred reboots until the end of of a season. Three's when they got all their memories true but that's that's a little hard to process sort of emotionally you know how do you relate to someone who suddenly has eight eight hundred new editor. It's fine but it just. It did feel good one to me at the moment dramatically but it did feel unearned for me. I think the concept of this episode sets us up really nicely for what will be the final episodes because we got to relive a lot of what we already saw and enjoyed and had a nice character moments just in time to have a break. Yeah Philly Yeah. This is a good place to uh leave it at like and they've done this a couple of times where the the episode. Where like last week sort of felt like it could have been a natural natural break in this episode? Sort of moves you into. What's going to happen next and I kind of like that? They do that like this almost feels like it could have been the the first episode of the second half without actually getting us into a big new hotline. That we don't we don't finish. Yeah because it was it still self contained so yeah so they did that a couple times before I think and I just have to plot device But yeah I try to think any other plot points. Anybody wants to discuss. Speak for we move onto onto the joke machine. I can't think of any. Does anybody have anything good for the jerk. Machine today. Didn't feel like a particularly jokey the episode but there were a few moments basically everything has Marotta was something for the direct machine. I didn't even down but she was her whole you the things she did with the charades for she was just saying things which made no sense is just blood many times. Yeah she AH. She's like one of the background characters of the simpsons where you're like what the heck is that person doing there. But let's see. I didn't have a lot of jokes for this week. Either I liked. The Chidi finally settled on the question. What's the biggest fish when he got to ask Janet something? Because that's what I do with my Google like I ask you all kinds arena dumb questions all the time and so if he has the whole university fingertips he needs to know right now with the biggest vicious what he did. I ah you remember waking. The answer was kind of whale but it wasn't well it was like a well fish because they'll shark or something. Yeah Well Shark Roszak right because that's the way we're always in a fish right so it couldn't have been well. It was just like a cool and I did know that for some reason. There are a lot of good call backs in this episode. Two previous jokes like Michael says something when he's about to the Restore Cheetahs Memories. This like eminem chilly. With Pete's yeah what his mind is like Like Chidi was wearing the red boots when he was talking to. You know he was wearing the red boots his friend forget. His spreads is named lovely Red Cowboy. Boots There was something else I felt like. The the fork in the garbage disposal was a callback to something. But I couldn't remember what it was a call to. That's what he was talking with. Alin or a I think in the second season where he says you know my brain. I'm when he's I kind of coming to grips with the fact that he's got this problem and he says my brain is always like the the sound that a fork makes aches in the in the garbage disposal. Yeah that callback. Got That callback and lake to Jason's a cocktail that eleanor was MIDORI. COFFEE MATE AND DITCH WATER DETROIT. Do all ditch water with with the cocktail Janet. Janet said that she and Jason were had their gift registry at me for him. That was cute when for ESMERELDA MAROTTA tedious. Saying he's talking about her and she says you know she's. I've seen her with the Ravens. It's it's very intense and and to to be honest sexually charged grip and I think the name of one of the restaurants with Ben. Yeah in the jets. Seen that one before. What is the questions on baby? HPD's blackboard was where will I put my books on his lecture. Little little guys. That was his big concern which seemed very Chidi like Chidi had hoped there was a magic blackboard board that with like map out his lecture or something when he got to the one up when the way on the way. Michael Michael Tortures Chidi at the beginning. So he says you know come on in or you can stay out here if you'd like and I. I don't remember them ever doing that before. In any of that was that was cute. That was A. I can't think of any other jokes. They're aware but ah I will say that the quote about life not being a puzzle to be solved permanently but yet to wake up everyday to solve it and then Michael says it's terribly inefficient. It just seemed why as in like a cosmic way like you know we we we forget. Sometimes how big the show is. They've torn it all apart before so it was kind of. It was kind of smart for for us to just have a moment where they start to realize big things. Because that's what the show is all about. Yeah I'm I'm pretty sure the show is trying to say what you can't find all your answers in philosophy which I don't think as advice that too many people in their TV audience needs since two here right. Because I think most of it's probably over we invested in philosophy but in any case I don't think they're saying don't be philosophical and it's just saying don't and the teacher at one point says professor says awful philosophy comes from from the heart which also I don't think is exactly true but you know having passion to it instead of just trying to crunch. The numbers is probably probably a smart thing to do in philosophy. That professor was pretty funny me too used to have a wife and kids and now I have is your work to live. Ah Shut up about the joke earlier and they would just sort of thrown off joke about where Chidi was gay I gave. I gave my thesis to my code and he got an a bus. We never saw him again. I think there was something like this was kind of a riff on that island. His Dad mentioned it dinner about her professor that had given up on him too so he'd he'd already had somebody give up on him before this Professor Poor Chidi pour pour the professors with CD's writing poor everybody in his wife Poor Chidi anymore. If he's Super Chidi superjet but in his earth life it was porch. E-eh what we'll see what he does with it. Like how are they gonNA write him now. If he's sort of Mr Perfect just we'll see now. We got to see where we're at. Where do we go from here? Figure out the answer. Yeah you you know. I always kind of figured. All of life's problems will be solved. I said counts so you know the answer I could take. Eleanor being the answer for everything Chris Everything for me it'd be great cast and everything. I was really thinking that the way the work they were sort of these climaxes in the fall back into routine. But we don't really have that many episodes for them to fall back into routine so I'm less worried about that. especially if the last three episodes One jumbo last finale. Right then that leads us with like one episode left before that if it's thirteen episodes total so I dream as what are they going to do with that one episode before the finale like is it going to be filler. Is it going to be. What are they going to do? So I think it's scheduled to have at least three weeks of episodes we may get an extra episode or extra extra chapter in there somewhere. Government have to see you know the we we do way too good place and we kind of it would be nice if it were to keep going on. But I do think that the concept probably can't be stretched too much further than it's been stretched and so you enjoying these episodes but I'm also going to be kind of that. It's not going on forever and that we're going to see an end to him. Yeah the term coming from. I don't like shows that stretch on past their expiration dates. So I'm glad this one has an ending. I would argue that. They could probably we done this last year. But Yeah Four Seasons doesn't seem excessively long especially I share with this this few episodes but but you know there wasn't that much variation to do with this concept so again I think they could have come back to it but but we'll see we'll see how they just glad we have. We have Chidi back to interact tree ring cockroach through the end of the season or series. Hopefully when I'm saying that it would be nice if they did a similar episode about two honey. Honey needs to have her life gone through because it doesn't but just because we haven't seen again that actress Ba- featured in the show the season. I don't know they're probably not going to because there isn't really a story reason reason to do so but I do feel that. They gave Chidi the actor his do with this episode. They gave him enough to do media stuff to go through. I wish they they could give that to me as well. But they've given given Jason a pretty decent amount of screen time season of course. Eleanor and Michael coquette off the Latin Janet can just you just give her a little bit. She does allow with it the season I think because she was bad. Janet Janet's but yeah that's my one wishlist thing. Do you know anything else you want to do. The season go for it but just give to honey something. Give tiny the focus before we end. Sarah do you have anything else to add or get too rapid. Oh No I. I'm just looking forward to but we have coming up. And and the ninety minute episode. Then the Seth Meyer's retrospective and then the US retrospective it's GonNa be a long episodes January. Okay okay well we they say good night and thank you to Mike Oho so Goodnight Sarah Good night and good night Andrew. Good evening and thanks for listening everyone by.

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Rock Candy Ep. 143: Interview with Skeeter "Enoch" Thompson of Scream

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Rock Candy Ep. 143: Interview with Skeeter "Enoch" Thompson of Scream

"Candy he gets your weekly podcast bring sweet treats from the world music and this week we have a special special treat super sweet special tree. Yeah i like that super suites. We have an interview with skier enoch thompson. who is a legend really in the Hart homer world. Yeah the hardcore punk scene. Yeah base if you know anything about dc punk then you probably know his name or at least you know the name of his band which is scream yes. We have talked about screen before we have. We've talked in our but them in our nirvana. Yeah because dave grohl was their drummer fraud second but we come to this interview to talk about. Dave grohl no came to talk to knock and he had some wonderful stories to tell us her so good you know. He got to sit down and tell us about like what. The dc punk scene was like back in the eighties and a lot of his childhood and his musical influences. How he got his first guitar. Which is an amazing story. Gotta chef's kiss story the absolute best. We've heard so far right financially. And also his views about like growing up as a black man in and how he feels about the black lives matter movement. That's going on now so a lot of really good really. Poignant stuff some really good stories. Yeah and we're super happy that he is in our hometown now every which we didn't even know we came out reser in our own town so we were super super stoked that he wanted to talk to us. Yeah and also you'll probably hear in the background of the zoom call. Was mary his partner. Who set up this whole thing. Yes a shadow to marry. Because she's awesome too. Yeah they were both delights to talk to. It is a fun time. So we will cut our intro short so you guys can sit back. Relax and enjoy our interview with mr knock. Here you go. Hey so we're here. And we are having a fabulous interview with ina skater. Knock from the from the scream a fabulous hardcore punk band from back in the day and still around today. Still make your next and you're still kicking it which is great but yeah we figure you know have you on. We'll have a nice you know. Keep keep each other company during these spicy times. Very spicy vary. It is a we like spicy. Like a friend of mine had banned those a great idea to have a bank of the spice boys and they were actually quite quite fun band. He has got another No that it passed away but it was a great band. great idea. I actually played a few. I guess towards practices. They live way too far out when i was living in Sterling virginia and they way out maryland which is in dc. Oh that's that's very far. Yeah it's like forty thirty mile track announcer now. Nothing thank you to practices through by metro to educate alga so terrible. You take the metro. It wasn't like you were driving no worked for. I had a vehicle. Oh my god nope. That's that's a no from you know. The novelty of that probably wears pretty thin. Then the winner to we're in a garage is no now good by yourself a love spice boys for from virginia. You like i will wrap you come to here. I'm sarah gardner there scott. Gm gm. i'm going to go up. i scott. Now it's it's such a. It's so many weird clicks like all in dc. It's a great sky like scene but it definitely it's definitely like scott bam's support each other focus and but It's hardcore band swick. Click then come together but only like cheesy. The haven't showed that same nights are. Yeah actually. i've i was really curious. Because i don't know about you. Probably you you to a lesser extent. The me but i really didn't know much about like the punk scene especially the hardcore punk scene to we started doing podcasts. And and as i've learned more about like black flag and bad brains. I'm i find the scene really fascinating because it's a lot of diy you all kind of were in a group helping each other out like can you kind of elaborate on that and tell us like the scene but what do you mean from off back. See hardcore scene. Yeah hawkers was definitely small small group maybe like so from suburban kids right outside of dc it's dc. Virginia maryland. skull the copter metropolitan being the and at first back in the early eighties like seventies of this getting hostile the soda garage huge garage scene. And or you know you had to be twenty one to get in the bars. I take you to go eighteen. I think everybody was very easy to get in back so the scene was third much a lotta garage bands in through those rosh bands like bands. Like razan nurses. And they were pretty much like new york dolls. Sorta like same fluid garage glam. Dirty glam jonky glamour. Whatever and i was. I was like that scene was thrown into that seat and seen soda pop off that one basically suburban kids and streak punks still in high school old getting band together and started out something like what word of mouth just felt like we heard from anywhere else but then all of a sudden started hearing about shows downtown and act like house parties to actually row house. Forget how i heard about it through the Singer and screen. Pete stall so he would take franzen is shows. And that's that seem pretty much already happening. A dc scene of alternative kids going alternative schools basically and also apart of art community there in dc. We lived in virginia and so we sort of lucky enough to stumble on seen him. He's already started. It was everybody. Did everything there. Salvant dischord records. People sitting shows up making on flyers got at the same time they were garage band plan. Any more established bases before like nightclubs like product. That what by you. And unlike the wax museum in psychedelia in places like that but this underground scene started papa. 'cause twenty one to get those places had have proper. Id so just got to be too much of a hassle. Going through sunday started the same house. Party sorta clue the rtd share. What announced us but we heard it through word of mouth internet through word of mouth and then we sort of stumbled upon this great scene because we had we had argued garage band started playing at that point. We're plan we know we were playing. We started playing about my nineteen seventy nine. And and unbeknownst us. We're going to everybody would still in the music you know by the time you just those up is that you. Have you know exact. Then you know the sexist sex pistols yup and people about the wrong but the sex was like really sticking people like spitting gliding. I had donahue show. Also i guess across america. Obviously it's all over but in our area we you know it was a music scene. Our a lot of metal already happen journey stuff like that going on and it was banned at battle bands and stuff. Like that's an are. That's what was going on so we too. We play these battles basil. Be fans or plan like horrible versions of out had new cast orange. It was crazy because they weren't too smart rockets hit. Nobody was doing like top level stuff. They're doing a nugent arable. Earn you know. You got these guys trying to act like ted nugent. And from what they have tenedos very flamboyant yeah out there you know what i mean. Just you know he was jumping out speakers and bullshit like cloth jet. I can't even even it. Also you had like bands like deep purple and you know at like sabbath bands like that like but it wasn't a lot of bands Savage they were more glam out of forty boys in the lead so we ended up like weird screen. We're pretty much garage sort of like you know. I can't even the band. You know something. Like the animals by like eric clapton and We would in fact. We're more like the we did some stones. We did eric clap. We did expert in animals. We did this. Band called warlock fan movies there. Were doing those cover songs so to these people never like. They've never heard. Never listen the back emotional radio station and guys were arguably more. It's like the technically sound stuff. Then like the glam pop. Bam very started at progressive. We were started. Play like you know the police and clash stuff that makes sense like we were. We went to like battling bands. These guys we we. We had originals but we realize because it was a big battle bands. Nothing but a scam anyway. Yacht club right. Yeah you know other than when they didn't have national acts because this place is rock cities they would have national acts got. They would have like johnny winter. John was great he. I remember like three weeks before which johnny weir went under all drunken plan. Blue nun bottle wine bottle and have the neck left and he'd stuck land guitar with just one neck and they're taking follow a smashed to the jake bothered smashing and i was like. That's weird like so we're like totally ended up better athlete. Scream on bothers we sort of evolved in the but all the other people like glam grammar stuffing. Yeah also just so so we thought we would only wonder we always came in second place we were. We're doing the police stuff people. Yeah police have really dynamic stuff we have. We need the earlier stuff like this earliest stuff that you can't do next to you that back. He's the police were punk. That was so these people never heard you know. He added probably like a few people. Audits like hundred mainly highs though and it had this rivalry. Had you know you had the freaks who listen to like zeppelin. Didn't you had the blues people who listen to like be became a understand but then you have like the progress rock people who listened frank. Zappa asset Those bands said really hang with the musicianship. You know what i mean. It was too much and but we could handle like the police. Straight forward came off very good dan. You know we're like we're going to show the dc just gonna bigger shows but then pete who is older found. Archie was also since he it was an poetry and i guess more art he was. You know an older cats. He's got these These shows and say had the robots row houses were matt like would saw bands like teen idols t niles sa a bad brains and all these great bands. Every weekend would be another band golf but it was at this one place and then we saw you know we started mingling. Meet people but as madame. We started to notice that they were like they were recording and the passing. These francis started cassette tapes and had it on cassette tapes. And then then. I remember finally after by two or three years to show just basically on weekends that we've just got to high school. I think browns are still in the senior at. I've been kicked out. Compete was already working but We ended up going through Sam selling records. Like what the heck are we start talking to you. I could we're Befriended a couple people are more into the city because we came from virginia just four and then we started slowly crept into that scene. People are making records and and you know selling a month the band recording you may correct us again like with. Luckily we gotta meet people. I have have shows or getting on shows they try to. They need they're having chosen space. Woodlock and are actually getting banned from virginia and getting banned from dc in get banned from maryland and also national acts. Like delay came through job hour ago. Got deal as it was assumed. I knew nothing as big band back then was probably funded delic more like that early early parliament stuff and may i wasn't really into the whole rock seem but pete knows guys were into at have slowly started paying more attention as you start getting into the fashion and i guess the attitude of it was it. He has went from kind of like more mainstream of rock and lake slowly eventually evolved into. Yeah yeah some definitely from. We're totally i remember. When i first picked up guitar wanted to be hendrix harper and frog going to be like duane allman. So we were like yes. So here's like all the allman brothers. And then we sort evolved into that Some elective fusion jazz theory. Where it was like the whole like. What did he tell it like. Little feat was a lot of really big little feat. Yeah maybe weather report bands like that. And we're and john mclaughlin and we're into that but that was like so you're playing guitar. It's a strong And then you got larry coryell. John guy never gets for those people strumming along after awhile. You get so intimidated. You've got never you know. So but then you then you sort of get wind of people. Like you know elvis costello or even you know you know ramon francis great idea that that was actually their whole kind of how they started. This thought we don't have to be like making jimmy page guitar. We can still make great music just strumming. Well yeah you know. Then i started to like. Then you know my. My stepdad respected his musical testing within the like west. Montgomery in my mom was really like elmore james and stuff like that's a like a heavy blues influence in our didn't west. Montgomery my stepdad was all in the jazz. And that's what. I was trying to explain it because i didn't really get the first music i was into personally was probably in the top forty stuff. You know like a kid. Does you know stuck on the radio. You know those in like do op and not a lot of four tops tim. -tations surpreme lillian. The motown act and stuff like that. You know my mom would have these tough a mom and he's crazy. I always grew up in a do it yourself. Environment the black media. I grew up in they would have. We had our own street numbers and like card games. Where the only guy gambling to me and my and my uncles and stuff or play blues music in my mom on it wasn't like it was like a gambling house but not was not my mom unafraid because they like the community when people didn't have rent some live people did luckily my my godfather this guy named cb harlem. He had enough clout money in the neighborhood. He had his own out he. He owned his own property but property. The most people were granted it when they could make the rent. Mr. cb would have let them have a rent party as to how the people they would. Have you know sometimes to be a wasteland party. Sometimes they'd have cards and they sell like selling chicken dinner. Deficient fish but during his time was always plethora of music. You know constantly. Yeah that's really. That's a nice correlation between your background ends the diy punk community. Because just everybody helping each other. Like if you have some things somebody who's going to help you out and give it to you and there's more diy than that. Yes sir community like base saying that even like the were like even held like you're asking about the The why was. I'm too sexy stuff on thing. And now we sort of stumbling into like you said it was like this part of my culture and i think you know when we started even recording stuff was all of the community of meeting people. You know underground meeting people Either at a record store. And you're looking at a record band looking at similar staffing dot com or your show and you bump into your either pet or or or a show and you see you see same people at the same show you finally. I just started going. Hey what's up and then all of a sudden z. By getting a little bickering thing with somebody about a band. I like that. The anti and i remember most of the stuff that i i. Most most of the music i learned about was from the scene in just different bands Passing around tapes. And then it starts go from dc start hearing about the pro mags maybe even before the stimulators new near bands and then philadelphia bands growing man. You got only these bands up and down the east coast and then you go. Yeah it's also goes to of your goes across. The water was pretty intense. Yeah before you know it you have connections everywhere little. I didn't even road like people would say. The whole discord thing was pretty unique in the sense. You know we were pretty much doing everything deportable studios whatever for tracks and horrible recording and then we're a disused Turn everything louder According of cosatu whatever. We had mike with cassette player. And you know you to actual studio which was in a were separated is starting to realize. Well this is a whole different monster and live the jihad. I mean it was really good. Because he actually had an where everybody your. Every every recording was a learning experience. But everybody you've totally involved all the time. I kicked out for meddling too much. Because i have all wanna have faced ship there on my guitar. Bass they recorded. do it now down. Denied and i'd be like decked out of here. Okay 'cause back zander's. I hope wires everywhere wires ago bad something. Go back in something. Small tape wouldn't wouldn't be moving rights they have to smack it or something and you'd be i'd be like the little cartoon with the kids like eight minutes. Cows that guy would you get out of. He's asking too many questions mike. I'm doing just ram rambling at all. Dory's actually. I think i read somewhere. Scream was dischord like first release. Right or apple said yeah flanks. They came out with a couple. Think that flex your sexual head compilation. That's a Then they had T niles not hours. I s o a or some about now. Yeah i mean. But i put like. Ap's like abandoned sa and learn. I think it was a minor threat of course very like singles but we were the first full length actual album lessons. You guys are like your ep cute but would you like a full length. It was crazy because at least for my perspective You know the band's teen idols in other bands. They went together as long as you can. Adapt point like steve. Stoute like in seventy nine so to all these other five starts seventy seven minute threat. That's the way. Gi's already banned names to him. Day dated lab most like mindset. Probably last maybe four years together a pretty short run and they would break up periodic mass and for whatever reason i didn't really know the politics of broke up but i've been on. The band is like being relationship. Half an olive did come and go pretty much. You know in a lot of great collaboration band together longest so we had and we have been riding like the whole times In the van. And i think another thing. We had advance. We live together. You know who those guys disadvantage. Yeah exactly can get kind incest joel. It's like we're all alpha males we didn't all can't live. The drummer live but we lived within two miles of each other. Yeah work together. Franz pete and i worked together off and on from t nine asking a lot of out of a friendship. Yeah honestly revenues pretty. That's what i mean. We're but we it was could. We can't have known each other sincere sex second grade. Oh wow drummer. Night and friday and frogs probably around seven. Great since way back and like yeah we. We definitely came from two different. You know like lower lower middle class. I guess like middle class upper middle class. Or whatever can't but we're all problem. Show children. Ron did troublemakers back. Yeah it doesn't work in sports they were in can't can't was in the league hockey. I was in the usual like football basketball. Baseball can't was pretty much in the hockey team for american sports day. Pretty much like or dislike music jargon not explain it since music was like that one thing that you're all a gap at lake this. Is we all get this. Yeah out game. Definitely when i remember even can't in our neighborhoods. We these woods with somehow a chance at you back. Go in the woods ipad to be like. Don't come on sunday out and house so we have nothing else to do. Some reason always little. We've made four. It's pretty much out of like a lotta crazy stuff. Like cardboard fort can't nam. Thai can't yank ties. Whatever junks mattresses yeah intended to get all wet moldy. But can't those guys they were like. They would get like woods because dan because we started robbing the like all these development start off around that people were taking like plywood two buffalo flexibility navy. We go is. Words are like pretty sick back then. Yeah but i mean if they're not using it take years now finders keepers. We will but see. Sometimes they end up like coming across other people's four we sorta squad or whatever ended up. Mango up. Like we didn't fight over. We ended up going to take the next now. We didn't have like cohabitating together and enforced long as as long as no bullets once in a while it'd be some jerk. Come around and try to push us around. We actually got long. What better so you guys knew. You could live in a home together because you were already living together. We're already like to sneak away. You got like potheads or whatever ceiling bearden stuffing would sit out there for hours sometimes and also childhood friendships have some way of kind of making it through a lot of bullshit. Yeah no. I still have friends that i made in kindergarten. So and it doesn't matter what happens. They will always be my friends. You can build all the want with them. They will still be your. You can spot executive stuff. Boy boys lot more record set. Definitely i can rap battles like a rock said each other. Yeah we just outside underside juris game. I'm a lot more free spirited. Yeah i mean like it was amazing. Yeah so we when you work. You started playing music. When you're a kid right started. Playing started playing like on very elementary. But start fan actor. Guitar i guess fifteen fourteen fifteen. Yeah what got you into. It will remain to be like now. I wanna be taras. I saw i was totally going to be like wanted to be a professional athlete. That you're not to hold thing getting out like you know and i was like I'm gonna get my mom. I didn't you know wanted to be an architect. These sat factor whatever. It was discourage you have to be anything dream killer so was i wanted to be architects. And things like that ended up Thinking i was going to be just total united sports but i saw this hendrix movie. And i was like fourteen in fact a friend of mine were talking about this on. Facebook just came up for the movie as a Documentary hicks. And i remember. I was like fourteen or fifteen fourteen and And i- dishonest movie just blew me away just changed my life and i was like that's what i want to do. Yeah we're on fox. If you're gonna be like piece here has hazard. Talent goes definitely be great. I remember the first opening. Scene is a black and white of playing I think it was a two mile just plan purple haze black in england all at first and then jazz maquis year later kicks in full vivid technicolor goes to mop for instance he's all jive england tomorrow in time ch- tomorrow jimmy only odd inside. Yeah so where visceral just blown away. Thought i never looked. I mean i was like i want a day. That's how at first instrument was a good time. I could tire was actual. My baseball coach. Bought it for me. Because i had it was like it was really he was. I played little league baseball. And i was pretty damn good and i had a baseball coach. He actually he owned a few banks played in only the president of a bank ranches and he was our sponsor of our baseball team back. So then i went up to bay bruce or three ago from literally babe ruth. Yup i mean pretty good like i said and he followed me. He had kids tutor and assigned. He's going to to me so he was coach. And at his. Amy he was our baseball coach. Scott and so he followed us up the babies and everything announced to me. This whole time ham. The other parents have been betting on the gangs in you know i. I didn't know kid. We're and we're pretty competitive. Kids that got really. my mom. mom worked overtime so she didn't have. She never came the game. I was napoli competitor. But i but the other kids are pretty much a goaded by the parents. You know monitor the stuff later. You know me you know. We had a championship game. My my my my last year of senior A babe ruth played fourteen. Then you go to senior babies and fellows. It was a championship at had a speed bet. I was. i didn't know and he was like we're playing an even slack. A guy win. This game is like wondering this game. Do anything you want your name. It would he want name. And i said i wanted to talk. He's like what do you want to. Yeah get you but you gotta win the game and a visa. It'd be like eighty ninety dollars. New strategy stratocaster a neighbor. Like what the tars. If she wanted to tell you what. I buy it for you to. How much is that. Tony be like. I thought it'd be like six or seven hundred buckler thousand abide for you but you gotta do. You gotta win this championship game trip. Hit like you have to pitch a no hitter. Nothing shutout add a couple of months home and a no hitter. Hit four home runs so got the strategy striking you. Well you an adult bribed you to win a like a bathroom them. Yeah you've hustle. Morehouse pitch ask guitar. You got the guitar. I got a i mean strategy after i got it was second. Try somewhere pitches distract and actually facing the other day somebody Various but the best. How i got my first guitar story richard. So i don't know can top this freaking really so i went from there. I got that strat. I and it's funny. Take from the game. I still had on a uniform still wearing my cleats. Now i didn't even have my tissues medically and we went in. I looked up this guy in the washington post and the one adds i've found out found after and guy was talk to own guy was like. Yeah we look checks minimum cash. The yeah we got cash and the guy was again. Andrew davis add woah net. Two point at that time. I did not play one note enough. The best guitar had the best guitar did not play of course smoke on water eyebrow bras on what i don i one got. He said you want to try it out. I was like yeah in quake smoke on the water to diffuse marshall. Yeah and then. I was like i'm so bought away. Tickets guy played for me so intimidated. You just smoke on the water. Try on a baseball uniform. Fourteen eighteen years students. Great mean the memories on how we go childhood memories child. Now you have an amazing how you ended up with an amazing guitar napa. Yeah so many people. Yeah it does. That's amazing story so scream you guys were together for well. Waste starting seventy nine but you did break up for a bit. Yeah well i left. Actually times screen started. I guess seventy nine and On discord pretty much ended up touring a few times to european american towards. And then a you're not whole story about end up can't rhythm drummer ended up leaving for awhile. Ended up hiring. Dave grohl for a while so he was was still like eighty nine. And then i i sorta abbott having. I kept quitting having. We're having definitely differences of what he called. The issues merited definitely matters so me it was everything was is like a date everything but may still living together manner because like never remember area everybody at. I think it was weird. An there's been a couple of breakup not of the ban but in relationships within the band That was like toxic toxicity. Going on there I ended up a ended up moving in toronto for a while. How an air. And and then they talked me into coming back and way left Signed on regular label okay. It was called ross records. And we're like the first. I rock act. Everything else was already and all that. Nfl it a address. Guston's bobbled had a lot of the few one people I think they did a little bit of barrington levy and stuff like that. I can't remember but anyway we would only are only rock active. They had hard court tax related. Really know what to do with us contract. Yeah that's good. And then then they ended up like pretty much had. It was one of contact. Where if they weren't satisfied took us often. We didn't really sell many records. They thought we would It didn't know how to market us and Which and but we're touring like crazy. Oh let's and so then. I got like like in our had somewhere breakup. I love the ban and year and came back home found other bass player that was i can eighty eight then. I got back early late as seven. I got back bat. Eighty eight broke up again. Eighty eighty nine hundred. They were la. We're in we're in california. I think we're in a. We're in hollywood hills somewhere in fact. I think pete's sister was working at tropicana and she was living. And this like sorta. It was right beside airy mansion. Wow okay i was with else but they were is like really crazy. Place of like rock stars. She was like one of default rock euros and like l. Great rock artists will coming by because tropicana girls there. Yeah come do. They're all hours of the night. We'd actually been on tour. We only had a month before we had another shan. Seventy five bucks or something between the six of us. Something and i and my my mom just been diagnosed with cancer or emphysema. My stepdad Tax i had to leave. And when i left. They stayed in california and dave joined the volume of course took. We broke up like eighty nine. But dan we did. I don't wear like sorta nobody everybody's just off at me leaving your kids like the second time with manny about the first few times as many relationship not in the ban but you know but yeah then the last time it was my mom and after mom my mom passed in ninety three and those guys are pretty pissed off at me. Nobody was speaking to me for a long time. And i felt like two or three years so round dan for like two years sir. Ninety one afternoon. Lana like a a pretty big after grunge happened. Yeah dan then. Everybody learns like everybody was great. News davis making tons of making great money in an hour's rates. I was at beginning to start a family and So we saw a gap back together screen. Big with just like we're doing prompt Was the original drummer dave Did a few shows like that david. Few times day will come up. Sit in a couple of songs. Oh that's pretty cool them. As as roma coco's i it's weird. We did we gotta reunion show ninety six at black cat and dc and in out. That's again that's owned by that small circle. People are discord. One of this guy named dante and dave gotten together. They david like a silent partner. They bought his club in dc blackout. Pretty big now the infamous or famous now right and so. I was a little rockets time. Rock arkansas Get together and do the show. I was like cool right around christmas. Just like mpc peten province. Living in california. I was having a little rock. Can't was still living in. Dc dave was Was navonna but they were just done. small touring the biggest. I think just before carried it out a wacky shit wacky shed sanad hiatus and dave was in town so all converge or played black. Cat and eddie vedder was always gotta people there because it got got million better chihuahua. Nobody really did. Yeah piece but also got to be honest. Oh any veterans still alive. No no header is definitely so alive. Chris cornell i was to give christopher now eddie better one hundred percent so y. He was hard to talk to. I don't know. I was like pretty neat way. Not having guys can see from a very no nonsense person. So that was like the first time i met past mayor. He seems like a joy to be a and he was just so. We've got a easy carrots. Earns through greg guides killers every time i series our where nice but that's unlike some really nice show even just you guys all got together again and just like fuck it. Let's play and have fun. Your navy got a couple of sites according never somewhere a live recording that i'm sure there is a called extreme black cat lai ninety six. I think it's on record or something like that. alex vote. i mean that's what i mean. It's been such a a ride. Every i mean talking to peachey. I'm dave we're talking to nato of crap and took seriously. It's been a long time. I'm sure you guys have been through quite the ringer. so bizarre. He pulled out thinking about pete. He's his members not the greatest but he remembered i'll be here like holds onto everything he's got like when he got notebooks from we wrote by pack from towards like he has a tour that tin arrived. Delia from everything done right. The starting to pull out all these reporters round you know songs. Yeah like set. David reported disapp- racks songs. And hillary five songs like never recorded a pretty decent with and we're thinking about maybe going back into chlorine them yeah. It's probably pretty helpful that he kept all that stuff. Because you know big fans of yours. I'm sure would be super interested in stuff like that. Oh yeah now like you can like reinterpreted a little bit older. You've a little bit more experience. And that's truly humbling. Satisfying the brings a tear memory. Sometimes i go. It's free sweet. I wish i wish i could have held on. We're talking about like some songs. Exactly remember the titles. Remember like the fashion flu again or progression. Where counts though. I mean we got people like was once on a what in the world i remember. Willie just just catchy low song. It had like some like who sorta feel to. It can't be rock and roll ending. And gem can't remember just remember. Two choruses was what in the world kinda like when you walk into a room in your like shit. I forgot what. I came in here for her important. And you know it's there but you can figure it out. Just walk walking burns me up. But you've been keeping busy to you. Release something too long ago your own solo album. Yes duke thousand seventeen yes. I released So book of enoch in e minor. That's right. I couldn't remember which which chord progression of the mind. I was gonna eat rock and roll. He it's always eat. But if if i don't know i think it's like We always hear about these drain. Classical you know written in e minor. Yes always something or like. See seven i was like i was uneasy book a book of eat. I just to get an immediate seven people. I know a lot of people probably look up the book. You not And i've thought on you feel like you have to put a pinkie up a little bit when you're listening to it. Have those explain. I have his vast imagination so trying to for the whole thought process behind even is never totally completed. Just hanging out there are there. But it's a start you got. You have a foundation. You gotta start somewhere exactly as i was like you know by you know my engineer. Just me and my friend phil shafer. Not d happened to his name to be careful. And he's a great engineering friend of mine's he was taking a course of engineering in california at one of the home studios a. I'm taking a course and i'm living on san francisco and going through a divorce. So let's do this now. It was great. Because i again it was. I was leaving my comfort zone and getting cooler. 'cause i went out there. Did he have guitar. I just had my guitar style. I didn't bring any of my stuff out there. We rented a guitar. Have an answering changes plug in to use the technology and plugged into the you know. What is it now. Pro tools pick of amps. And you get your pick of like at a bipedal air online. I didn't you know it's not the same so weird as up no amplify. I'm used to plan everything through air phones but did ho album and probably like fourteen signs Mixing mixing down and making ten of 'em like presentable has kind of difficult did. I didn't have a drummer guy was a bass player. Anatara player Wasn't but i did. You know only gotten a couple of arguments so bad that progress progress thing is i want them all. It was great when all you did. You end up just going with a session drummer or drum machine. Or no program is crazy phil phil programmed. Actually beat it out like what beating the drum beat on a table. It in programmed the you and what are you doing He's and it. Never it start out like to sound. I always start off like somebody falling over the drum set. That's not shut up will get kicked out of that studio. I was going to say. Take a walk. If you're on session was like you've got to progressive. Has great. Because i was like when when i got there. They just made recreational marijuana over racial marijuana. So that's what buried happy like should have gone on doors pop climate go to the dispensary across the street. Y'all al together enough to go. Get some how i mean. It was awesome because it was just us. Cheer there and you know once had like i said it was going to voice a once in a while it has kid sons. Come over and watch him. But most of the time. And i was like a personal engineer knew the guy. They kicked me out but he didn't really kicking out. Just shut up out here for most act on. Get debut dude. You got to be quite. You would feel just me and phil so we'd go as came out with pretty good products and yep so i would agree. Yeah have you heard it yes. Of course yes in guilt i. I'm i'm still getting used to. I mean that's still dinosaur and respect hardcopy having album with pitcher and so that's our next step. The week there were talking about skin china-africa hobbies physical copy doubling double album. Fold out cd when we don't have seeds and back in back in the day after day album. Tom's they're definitely changing so much better now. Yeah we did do that if you're still smoking. That's gunky shed. I don't know what we're what do you do. You don't have any more get that good. Good us those dams no seeds. We we saw video. You sent it to me today for. Mary made it for indonesian dog. Yeah very very good very good video. Mary snow. I was really good friend of mine. Who actually put it together. Mary once again. okay awesome. It was like a collaboration collaboration of some of your stuff. From some fans i'm from nature could has a Video he's artist nother like oil mainly he's actually Hainer cool he also like video. He does a lot of great video And did just like one of those far out. Artists ashton cast. He's say he helped us that video. That's i mean that was never been video person. i mean because i'm so scattered brain. But sort of i mean video limit the artist. You know a lot of times lyrics via really that comes well. The legs like all over the place. Yeah but i like. I like that. The beginning had a really hard focus on the black lives matter movement Especially with eric garner. Eric garner 'cause we can tell that you're big into veal movement and everything like that salary so we wanted to know. How did you give your thoughts on the video. That guy part where we're gonna win vs mother mother and they'll see a body they're not fred hampton when he was assassinated and it is an aversion Better day really anniversary of his fascination only allow allowance so wrestling paradise frit hats. A the black lives matter been i. Guess tugging on my soul for since Trevor martin yeah that was my first Sort of You know yes inkling of aven hearing anything about and that that will drop out rate by that incident. And i've been involved in in my own my own personal way like trying not definitely the kind of always been more peaceful when i heard that chance and i took it the wrong way myself like you know like a lot of people. Yeah oh yeah. Because i took it because i came from a very volatile time in the sixties You know father like one of the first a expanded segregation or integration integration. When i weighed them. So thanks for you know I grew up in like a one sixty one. So i remember like the projects while lived at. I said my community that we had Black history sort of a black panther vaccines what they're doing and they went before school before schools start having breakfast in schools right Black panthers and people it was mainly the community like right. Revolutionaries because hugh revolutionary movement there were starting and like the mid sixty sixty six sixty seven six you know you have the nation as long tapes and they were both biding for the hearts and minds of young mothers. basically with my mom was Working mothers at helping them along with the kids in the morning so they have you know so so we learned a lot of black history. The knowledge nothing and hampton technical murder fascinated. Sixty eight also. Was it like seventy two everyone time reject. Okay so yeah. Those like a series of things are yet marta. Chase sixty eight and you know. I think all thank god back. Malcolm x t in four hundred sixty six five to sixty was volatile at mine was Kennedy i think all the same year then had a big uprising. You have can state Let's stop. I mean you know Up in a lot of really volatile tile staff really crazy. I remember and that's why i was. I mean to me and it was art van. All dysfunctional should happen. Yeah a monk's nation of islam black panthers dissension amongst each other. You end up the saint sort of shit. What's happening language for it. It's fine. I was coming revolutionary. I guess born and bred on that and then sandy dysfunction then you had the mp's takeover wok against racism. Reagan out. not only hope was like jimmy. Carter jimmy five now and i remember like like In lebanon like seventy after the students were austin rain in camps rescue rockies racism but even before that you know so much stuff going on i'm back from vietnam my cousins are coming back the air. How are shooting. Streets is real high. Crime and poverty stricken at is or so that's where they are hindered any say at seventy eight hundred faster way. I said i i. It's a lot of stuff a few years in a short amount of time. always so when. You're such an impressionable age too crazy. I remember even my mom like it's time to pick the strongest woman in my life treat works like three job moved from the one place she had. We had like the. Oh minniti will house. My godfather on and i am but my mom. She got involved my stepdad. He didn't like that environment so he wanted to live so he moved to another apartment complex national i met got involved with the nation and also task got even amongst blacks inner turmoil going on yeah to be had an afro americans and then had the blacks where a months out that guided must step. That was totally. I remember even like tweet. Muhammad ali and joe frazier fact on right so he had americans american total like straight americans. Negroes used to the southern us to the white man. And now you can't you can't you don't wanna mess with the white man. Had revolutionary one muhammad leaders hours. I wanted my stepdad expected. Why joe frazier intention for sure. Yes it's crazy. i. I remember like being now Oversaturated with so much stuff it's like it's almost information over but it was just so so much more like disco was like like the the. Do it yourself philosophy but came from having to do you know having having to do it yourself if you if you didn't do when away and you become on he saw people just going into the corporate world Cookie cutter corker oil coming out. Whatever direction you know the corporations or the right or the you know what apology even like people who are and restaurant businesses they think coming out being mortgage to rear. There's no spot. New to everybody was about. Two dollars was sort of society so in comparison to tobacco. Then you feel about like black lives matter now and do you feel like there's like a divide within it or do you feel like it's a little bit more cohesive gives me when it first started. I was like stupid. People like all live matters genius. My own kids mom and excited. Thanks still at eight to ten years ago. Yeah i can't go now but it's it's really disturbing to people saying it now lying at and thanking the black lives matter is like you know communist or in order gonna take or just satan actually or anti white or whatever just told you exactly. That's amazing anti white as the the communist or socialist or indoor and you know in milepost even when i look people almost some are trying to stay away from got right now socialist kids you know for a long time people ho fair here are one world order at this point in a people just about ready to try anything. Let's try something different. Yeah yeah just try it promises to hurt you. Yeah everybody's worried so much. I mean. I'm only behind black. Lives matters and i realized actually served into history without act. Ho two ho movement would from even like martin luther king the movement of now. They call that so much information. I can't even remember civil rights movement. Moving thank you very much. Thank you thank you you waiting for whole civil rights away that i can help as the white lady the helpful white lady i mean i mean but i think i'll say this like at one point it was like something was going down when i hate said in a jovial. What when a guy act chapter from testers in kyle in house. Something i said acid will now you got hurt so maybe even more attention. You know what i mean. I was like saying house getting crazy with the militias in the white house and an ally if he wants to certain things happen like that maybe the vote. Maybe what even turn out. Maybe blacks what. I think people like came together back lives matter movement and i think also people as a nation came together doing so great. You know things happen but at the same time every time. The accident as a reaction is going to be some negative with open to black lives matter. Move in the way. It has the the conversation keep going in rhetoric will people lie misinformation. But yeah but it's weird. Because i've seen people as a friend of mine on facebook while just pointless person i just met is good person and some incident happened and his neighborhood Like he's white to my. His family got attacked by the kids in their neighbor. Mutual neighbor kids attack the white kids. And i think they were there somehow. Black lives matter that mentioned it. Oh yeah the la adept at the colored thing and then my friends acquaintances like san a saying like. I don't care who the hell in a black lab now. I'm going to protect my family. You know an almost reacted and him up. You know on messenger. But i was like you know what has gotta have. Gotta have open dialogue. And he's gonna have some. There's gonna be some well intense. Yeah things being sad but hopefully people have conscious and they realized that they argued people the realize what they said after. I've seen a lot of teams like why didn't stupid. I think about her as i'm falling asleep at night. You're just ran from my mouth so i did want to before. We ended the interview. One last kind of question to ask because i noticed when watching the music video make all those are from troy right. He lives in troy. How did you end up in troy. I enjoy troy joy. Detroit girl now and it's weird because Mary nine through happenstance. Twenty five thirty years ago thirty again. I was already in notation shipping and she was way younger shoot shoes she was like a damn and distress. He was granted in dc. Not in this happens to a person wants to be that way. Restraint and a shame isn't see watching some band at fourteen years and lights and the dc. At that time it was a murder capital of america. You here was ran. Rancid jamaican posse was like later dc mcapital. They're killing i. she was at. I think you at not don't nine thirty club which is at nine hundred. F street came on f street was nothing but strip joints and it's like what he thought it raided acts whatever the dirty side. There is a gay club like one side dade club next one like mail. Day men next size like butch lesbians until just like a burlesque. It's ending drug drugs like like on both sides. Whatever but out on thirty like she was like like after shows it was like a huge show that shows us a half hour and then it's just the people just a learners or the nfl hustler and hose pretty much and then fourteen year old girl comes and she's like my left knee against the. I don't really a vaguely remembered. Only because i ended up staying the whole night with my girlfriend at the time that so pissed off and went home. I mean and i didn't get home like sat there to pretty much took added back then. It was no cell phones and there was no internet and it was all so it was like a black guy trying to get a cabinet little white girl. Oh my god and possible. I lived in the city at the time. I didn't have a car. Didn't have a car. Just you know my my girlfriend time. A hustle cavs because she was light to have as little different. You gotta fourteen year olds. Yeah f. I remember from got to care and she dropped us off at the bus station. I stayed at the bus station with her. Until i think call now for. Yeah but it's crazy. Seen you know most bus stops where the pimps in the hills. I couldn't i couldn't like just like readhead like white girl. Yeah senior also touch this little redhead white girl east. It was weird. 'cause it's like it's like a toga. She told me when we first started talking to you. I bet she's telling me bitching members of the we've been weird started talking kathy. Talking kept up water for months and months and months. I vaguely remembered that. I was to finally about like maybe about eight months ago six months ago i do remember when i was like i remember because i got so much shit like for like doing that now but that was like something. Yeah yeah that was the right thing to make sure one hundred percent the right thing to do. So you guys stayed connected through all those stay connected with. Facebook is out like damn technology attack fan that facebook and she reached out to me on facebook died off an assembly enough to act but then she was guess. I was only shoes on the we. We ended up up here. She could move as the medicine. Mary to bring you Detroit why she told she. Actually she really sold. Troy's got so pissed now tree i i was like looking looking for paying rent on the pass. What everyone say Wanted dc as a great place there. But it's just so gentrified so nobody weird things going on so attending and then trump at an reason to stay right now. I bet every time you walk out your door. You're just fucking pissed. Trove is president days. You know it's wearing like where. I was living in sterling People such a paper chase people are just after just about money and you and that's the trap back even as late bracket makes so much money that i never like. You just worked for final contractor. You just work at any working hard to make some good money but it's so expensive to live there so you have to keep to be able to live here. It's a little more relaxed and mary. I was able to. She helped me getting insurance and stuff fares. And then i didn't know was gonna be a pandemic the same week much six marks the very next week lockdown and then i had actually had to go back down for jennifer levi on went back down for like a week and came back in the same house. Just the two of you. We've been pretty much twenty four seven except for like a week since march sixteenth. Wow and you're both still alive. Congratulations twenty a yet. You won the pandemic just winning. Yes thank you small people who made this possible well. Troy is very happy to have you and we have been very happy to have you on our podcast. this week. You the matter. It's she's hopeful white. Lady it's handy podcasts. Candy yes thank you so much for taking time out to chat with us and stuff maggie maggie so close white lady. Haiti helped me with my civil rights. That's awesome you got you got you know i you go wrong is there. Is there anything on the horizon right now that we should be looking out for from you you knock. What got to the end. So many goods screams would talk about doing some recording january twenty twenty one. And hopefully we'll get back on with billion fast for twenty twenty one or twenty twenty. Two live shows back cancer. That's the main maintain. And i've got a play with i. I'm supposed to be recorded steph. Start recording on foot met style gonna be called portraits of grace i e knock soul staff anamika amid two other bands in another band called rise to fly jets banned from virginia. Now we're gonna try to do where we're talking about talent bertel gates call and and even the 'cause they're doing some soda a doing live. Guess i would social distancing so we're trying to do like things advantage program springtime things pop off cool things just near and i was gonna. I don't know it's a guy named eddie sutton. We're talking about trying to do into lead. Shangri called leeway and we're talking to new york based band and i were talking about china jeet some sort of like Like do it but more skit scared down with just me. Playing guitar can sing and me up. Maybe even marrying our company our backup is maybe mary. Pan tambourine something. Nice every love me. Some good campbell. Maybe triangle settled keyboard. He's got a great voice. I don't know what they're trying to concentrate on is and yeah. You know i like you. It sounds like you guys are still creating and having your eyes on the future which is honestly at this point with all the spicy times. All you can do absolutely awesome. We're going to certain. Yeah we're gonna keep an eye out for all your stuff that's coming out. We hope nothing but the best for you was absolutely. I'm marches on hopefully out of the pandemic got to antidote our about x. Seen fingers crossed the orcs. Or you go. I i will let you know while like people going to be like trump is like made so much doubt semi. I've always been a little skeptical on vaccines anywhere that you know when to flee shots like no. I will not but like now six. Well maybe i would definitely do the jeff's wounds just the right away never know. Yep all right sir. Thank you so much for the good times and the great conversation and the wonderful stories yes has been so much fun talking to you and thank you mary. It's been located. Thank you kitty. There's like a cat in the background. I love it. Yeah i mean. Hopefully we'll talk to you guys soon and a host run into you and troy sometimes serious. Definitely where's the meeting place. Choi now just virtues zoom but for now undo virtual zooms. Let's get together be lovely. Where do you guys hang out at our usual hangout is rare form. It's a brewery on congress street. Oh yeah yeah white. Lightning's yeah i was. I got two on the side. Take kids you can't yeah. They're good kids. Yeah all right very cool. Sorry talking you we'll see you soon. Stay safe keep on. Truckin are hope you guys liked it. I was it interview. Ensure was that happened and we are very thankful that happens. Save go look up. Some music screams music. I actually spent a lot of the week listening to it. I have really developed alike for hardcore punk this year. It's not bad at ain't bad. It's amazing what doing this podcast will make you like. I mean honestly mess my spotify in the best ways yeah of ways but yes go onto spotify also flying inox solo album. Yeah was it the book of enoch minor. The book knock in e minor. I should've remembered that. That's hard to forget. We literally just talked to literally. Just talked about it. Well i drink all my brain cells away so whatever. She didn't even get drunk. She strict branson know fine. This is fine. Yeah anyway hope you liked it. Come back next week for the last episode of twenty twenty from palm is going to be a good one though. It'll be a good time. Yeah yeah we'll wrap it up again guys. We're just trying to have a good time in the last month of the worst year ever wrapping on. These bows on this shit. Yeah so put some glitter. We'll find kept me good so kids next week until then party on ashley. Party on maggie. That was sad. Oh there we go a party on yeah cove. Raise the kids out there miami. Thanks helpful whiteley. He am helpful wait lady.

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El origen del Arte: las cuevas de Cantabria

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El origen del Arte: las cuevas de Cantabria

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617: The Good Place S4E13 Review: Whenever You're Ready

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617: The Good Place S4E13 Review: Whenever You're Ready

"But this will be our last flesh cast sort of flash. We're not really a flash. We're kind of a a whatever the slow version of a flash exposure. You're welcome back to team cockroach podcast about the good place that we could comedy on. NBC By make sure I am. Andrew Pontius introduced. My Co hosts. Have you but you switch. Hello low friends GONNA cry. Sarah Gardner hiring. I'm already crying you guys uh-huh and Ritu Ataman. Hi Hi everyone right so we are doing. The last Flash Asia cast episode for the Good Place Season Four episode thirteen. The final chapter called whenever you're reading and here's what so. It's the end of the story about the members of team coverage. Jason gives you the door after winning the perfect game of Madden. NFL with the detour into the woods for thousand Burmese because he forgot to Janet her necklace. Chidi realizes he's ready to go. But Eleanor struggles trying to keep them around before letting him go even no. She's not ready yet to honey into long list of new skills including woodworking with Nick Offerman and bomb defusal and thinks about going through the door before deciding instead wants to become an architect. Like Michael Convinces Mindy Saint Clair to come with their seat to honey to take us through the system and improve proof wife but I wonder finds she still has one more thing to do before going through the door convincing. Judge Jen to allow Michael to become human. Eleanor finally goes through the door. Herself and Michael Gets to have human experiences and check off all the things he wanted to do. Get a discount card and say take it Sou- so easy. The I mean except for Janet. She just has to go on forever. Possibly after marrying Jason Mamone or Laura Croft Tomb Raider. We don't know they're up. She has options all right. So that's the that's the rest of what happened in the last Hour and a half three episodes worth of time there. So what do people think of glass episode and thought taking a breath. It was it was just so emotional. But you knew would be these`red characters years that we've been with for so long or not so long but it feels long feels like many bear me's and we've seen them grow which doesn't happen the non every TV show so you know saying goodbye is hard. I liked it. I really liked how they organically. You brought it. They brought in a lot a lot of story lines but didn't feel like forced really that the people that they let us see how their stories ended. It didn't feel like they were forcing people into it. At least in my opinion. Yeah it was a good episode. It closed everything very neatly and it all worked out in in the end. I'd also allow me to figure out. What would I do in the in the good place and it's clear I am too honey I would just I learned staff and do new stuff all the time which I guess encouraging because otherwise I would just get bored award very easily? Don't be like Shakespeare. Nobody wants to see tempest to hear blow again. Just last episode. We had this thing where people mind. We're going to mush. Because they were just going on forever. And I I do want to talk about sort of that episode versus this episode together but yeah this was very different in tone from that one because it's sort of everyone's ending everyone's peaceful ending of their of their story and just had a very very specific feel to it that. I don't think we've had almost any other absurd. I think you mentioned it before. Sort of that party episode where everyone thought it was kind of the end of the road for them and they were all going to the bad ways and so they were just kind of reminiscing reminiscing and just enjoying time with each other and kind of stretching out that time as opposed to rushing around doing some sort of madcap thing like we've seen so so much of this season especially so everything just kind of go down and tickets and I think they can do that really well. I think that that's something that even though they haven't haven't done that much of I think the writing and the acting and directing it all came together and it was all crying. I was very appropriate myself. Alf with a bunch of the characters. They just they just felt like they kind of did right emotionally by a lot of characters in the biggest a good death metaphor that this show last episode was like The bargaining stage of death where we are all all up still wondering wondering what's going to happen. What's what's the solution is really a good idea? Why the came up with them with the solution so easily Cillian with with no effort and everyone just accepted it? And now we're Andy Serbis out and we're like it's fine acceptance would just got to get over with. It's going to happen. I feel like last episodes the last episode sort of felt like at the end of the story. And then this felt like the epilogue like like last episode sort of felt like it wrapped up our journey with them and this just was kind of cherry on top to see what happened next. This was good early. The part of the movie were they have the text at the end. Saying a picture of the president saying this it was great the whole episode can see I think we can. We can go through the plot a little bit and what we think of it and then we'll we'll do the usual kind of joke machine. There were that many jokes and this when there were some jokes and we'll just kind of go over what we thought this absurd now we are planning on doing having a retrospective for the whole series. And so everyone listening to this episode. You can look forward to that as well. We don't know exactly when we're going to get to it but it is part of the plan but this this episode that we're doing right now is strictly for this final final chapter and go over and as always spoiler spoil his own. We're going to talk about this episode and everything else I y you. You're still here if you haven't actually what ships it I don't know but I figured we might as well keep good habits up to the oaken so so the very first one what is it. Oh so this is and I'm Gonna I'M GONNA mention a couple of Cox because we gotta go back so. This is a callback to Michael. Trying out his experiment over and over over again in the in the second season but in this case he's trying any recording on a a a track. I guess yeah but now instead of him starting starting with the good place over again. He's trying out playing songs writing reading and playing songs and he's just really bad at it and they go to. What are the Genesis Genesis? We're going to be great. I think don't you say that someone that a couple of times which is interesting in a place where time stretches on forever that people talk about how they're going to be right but so there's a couple of these moments moments where they go through the green door green sparkley door to go to other places and and they go to the living room of the original good place up and Chidi is giving another another ethics lesson and did anyone have a book what was on the blackboard. No now I missed it so so here. So there's a bunch of books that were listed to death by Todd May macropoulos case by Bernard Williams death again. Another book called Death by Thomas. snuggle the immortal by Boras and basic writings by chanting and design. You mentioned a couple of professors and oh I didn't realize there was a press officer May and it Professor Jeremy and those are actually real people. Yeah they were played by themselves. They were advisors for the for the good place. And they mentioned the Charlie problem. And say it's GonNa get messy which was also a fundamental back. What was it the Oh the nick over to the ones seen in them. We'll talk about it. And then they go over to the metro crossroad. This another call back as we jeff again again at his desk but now he's got a whole bunch of frog people who've been giving him frog toys and other things and he's up to three hundred twenty three of them by the end and Chidi and Michael off to the Joint Council of Afterlife Affairs where everything seems to be going pretty well judge Jan.. Dan and Sean is there and Sean says I will never admit that things are going well never ever ever ever ever ever ever but they do say at one point. We need more architects and actors and school for shuttering for stuff. That's going to happen next. And I think this is the last time we see Vicky Vicky gets to declaim again about what acting is. That's kind of for one joke this season but it was nice to see nice to see both of them in this scene as well right but miss the pot for reasons. It's it's there because they want to say everything's going really well. We don't really need to worry about that anymore. And kind of against see some characters again to what do people think so far of a thing and and then we go into the detail card which says the final chapter right. So what do people think of this so far any any thoughts about how how this what. I liked the meeting meeting of all of them. I think this is where Sarah we got a lion built just for you with John was watching on TV. I thought if you too uh-huh so judge Jen makes a comment about how she almost destroyed two percent of the population because Carrie coon was never nominated for an emmy for the leftovers. And Yeah I I actually pointed at the TV and talked a little bit at the TV. So yeah right on when I was at the actual percentage that the leftovers yet people who went away. Okay yeah that makes more sense. Oh Yeah and Jen being a character that only references television that just continues. She's got a East Dillon. Allan Hi shirt on one point the whole justified thing that we went through like just this must be her character. If the other one is Vicki's character judge just I watched the scene. It calls back to for me. It goes back to the ending of parks and recreation the whole situation where everything is perfect. The number is and even the guys are good than the. It's two to Sweden in a way so it doesn't flow to our with me especially you. How Shawna them Biki? And they're being nice and it's like a uh no come on people. Don't change like that. I know that demons. But still I mean even Brent didn't change yeah you imprinted. Jeez really the only one that yeah. I'm much more willing to believe the correct errol the judge because she's just the same. She was number greatest. Lever guests chatted upgrade. We had that whole thing with her in a couple of episodes where she was going to destroy everybody right and all of a sudden she's back to being regular like kind of going back and forth like that feels like thank you know. Why did we ever have that sort of Sitcom -I madcap couple of episodes if always just GONNA wind ended up being was that she's like noise that I don't even remember very much anymore like I liked? I don't know I like like these episodes. These ending the final chapter better than I like those episodes where it'd beasted theory. We had a lot more drama conflict. At this point I was just bracing myself off because I knew I was going to cry it sometime soon. System this is hazy and then all of a sudden it just wasn't anymore just Boom this is our first started crying moment element where you know Jason gets to play his football game and he gets the parade. He's he's in the middle of a football field with everyone in the stands but he's still playing the the game right so and he's played it. What four hundred thousand times? And he just managed to play the perfect game of it and that for him. That's his trigger right. That's his. That's his moment of. I've done everything I need to in life although he never never phrases it up but he says you know. Hey this is okay. It's time for me to go and he tries. Make dinner into to break into genital more easily. And it's a big chunk of Spaghetti so uh but then so they have a party and Jason and his dench crew get to get the dance. They dance significantly better than I. I think they did the last time we saw them. And what does Doug is there. Yeah in his young body right. When there's a moment that I I was wondering if they were gonNA come back to and they don't think they really did? which is Michael Telling Janet's okay if you're sad to even though you you're taking care of the rest of us we can help you too you and I don't know if they ever really got back it up but yet jason says had this feeling the magazines with the same as the air outside my buns which is pretty poetic for Jason? Took a bunch of characters will have this this movement going on the sense that they're ready to go by having having a peaceful feeling rather than I'm ready to go because my brain is melting rank which is different than the last episode but and then then he goes and Theresa so this is sort of the first British up at the first main character who we see weaving at least we think we see weaving. So what we're people's reaction to AH this part it's it's weird to have the characters unilaterally decide to leave and everyone else just accept it and have apart and it's hard not to conceptualize it in in our in our own human university in which someone might cashews to to take their own life and How like assisted suicide essentially? And it's I duNNo. It's a weird feeling. It's doesn't sit comfortably with me but it's good. It's still good. Seen it triggers stuff you you know I liked it. I don't necessarily think I view it the same way as heavier. Does I kind of US just like. Oh they're going off on a trip hip. No one noticed never sees that somebody moves away but they're moving to a place with no cell phone reception didn't view it as is like somebody taking their own life. I definitely do not view it through that Lens. How you would not bummed out? I'm sorry oh well no you made me think of it differently. And I like that I was mostly. We just tickled by the fact that Jason's big dream is to win madden instead of like actually win a football game but throughout this this whole thing and I'm sure I'll bring it up again. I feel bad for Janet so that was like the. That's the thing that has that made me cry. The most throughout it was just from her standpoint. You know what what are they doing. Right Bhai Janet. She's just still there and everyone's leaving living and Janet still just getting things for people in assisting them on their way to death like she's basically the you know the the ferryman to the other side like I don't I don't like that. I want more for Janet but since she can you know like like flex she explains that she can feel and see everything all at once like Dr Manhattan then. Maybe it's not a sad is what I think but I just I just want more for poor Janet. Yeah I feel like that's a little bit of about I would like to do something better for Harris well instead of just saying. Oh well she's going to be remembering this as if it's a if it's right now and that's not enough off said. Hey Jason is not very smart. Maybe he wants to say it was really interesting. The difference between how they betrayed trade janitor Jason versus how they pertain. She ellinora because in both cases one of the people in the rich. I and so jason known as Jason Jason Janet's case. We're supposed to believe that Janet is fine with it and has no problems with him leaving. So it's okay which you know I think the kind of put it off but it is true like she kind of had to say one thing she said was well. I don't experience time the way you do. Which made me think of Dr Manhattan? I don't know if you've read the comics of watchmen which the the new show on. HBO was based on. So if you if you read the comics a lot of scenes of Dr Manhattan saying Spike. I'm in one thousand nine hundred five doing such chime in two thousand thirty doing such and such. I'm I'm here doing such and such and they made it a really alien concept for him to be able to do all those things at once so they really try to make it something that was very hard to relate to because of course it is hard to get to and with Janet. They never really tried to make her to push that. Give her that. She's really weird. Doesn't see things we do until the very end when they needed to have a way to explain what she wasn't as sad as everybody else was and I thought I didn't. I didn't love that again. Does she got angry so the whole thing like she's great album. We're really great in this episode but Jersey cutting really got to exercise that concerned expression on her face for a long time but but yeah she sewed being both added happy for Jason when he left but yeah it she never got her own moment. Although I think I think they tried to give us with their at the very end we'll get back to that to bud but I would tend to agree on and then they actually and then we'll get. We'll get to the twist on this one too. Because Janet leaves and Jason Sitting on the bench. And you're supposed to believe that Jason went through the door right. Well we'll we'll get back to that so so we come back can then turn right and I was pretty good that we finally got sort of a substantial little little scene with dining. 'cause she's doing all I. I had to look nick. Offerman is because sorry. I don't actually watch no no well. It even took like I knew what he looked like it but he had that huge beard. Right didn't look anything like I was. I had to go up so oh some sort of famous craftsmen like no. He's an actor he he would but he is well known for his woodworking. Yeah that's his hobby professionally. He has a like workshop or something where he does woodworking. But I think it was funny like there's no explanation in the show about why this is important which this guy just weird guy that she's talking to and then we're done. I find it amusing with what's what it was but then so she does that right so she's got more things checked off and then she goes to meet her parents and she's apprehensive progressive waker sisters there and again like there's no real explanation but her sister is suddenly like a nice person now and it doesn't need an explanation right. She went through the system. But it is sort sudden Bam you know her sister's nice and then parents and there's this great moment attention before we realized dope the parents onto the system. They're nice now too. And so we're GonNa you know everything's kind of good and it's nice to see all these actors these characters you know having gone through alls of any trials trials they. Have you know getting along into Hani having a good time with everything but then you get the same moment where Donnie says. She's ready to go and they go back to that original mansion. I think from the the first season when she's doing that party. And you know everybody's happy for two honey finally gets to objectify learn so that was fun and but then she decides no. I'm not going to be. I'm not going to get the door. I'm going to be an architect act and then there was the scene which I think was the best the best moment for Tahani of the whole season where Michael says once. You're you're here. I hope you don't mind if I brag about knowing you and she says named reference to go to go. Don't you think Michael and I was like Oh Tahani honey but all right urine dot. You're in that one. So all the name dropping. Yeah so what do people think of Johnny sort of sort of ending the ending of our main story on I love it. It was nice to see you do something what I said. Finally they let her do something but in a letter do everything. Yeah I feel like they heard the episodes and they said it's true. We never let her do anything. Let's make her do everything so they can complain. And and it's it's kind of Nice to know that that she's still kicking around up there like she doesn't go through the door so oh she's just continuing to work in better self and help other people. which is what she needed to do all along? And I love her Bowtie was. was that a callback to anything sort of that. The Peacock Bohdan didn't she get called a peacock by eleanor. Like get like a sexy peacock or something. There was some peacock things going on. Yeah Yeah okay sure. Sure sure well and it also one of the things that it was really occurring to me through this episode is this episode thinks that it has satisfactorily finish just the stories of all of the characters without necessarily showing us every minute of the rest of their lives rank which action some ways. I think pretty good. You know. We don't need to see on doing everything being an architect architect. We believe she's going to do well at it so they can just ever ever go to that. Yeah I prefer to know I keep calling back to. I'm sorry the Andrew I keep calling back to the person recreation ending in which they showed you everything and and what the character was doing and they went in too much detail maybe. NFL like they learn a lesson here and they learn to trust the ends ends because last time it was a bit too much in my opinion it it kind of takes the magic away when you see everything that's true well and there's a bunch bunch of secondary characters as well so we see John kind of breezing in talk about Alexander the Great and then breach back out again. Hi Joan by John. And then we you see Brent on the video right trying to explain why no telling woman to smile is good for her. Like Okay Brent you you still got a ways to go and so and then there's there's and we we get a greater on but yeah they just don't have little moments of the Glenn you know for I think one last time Him and he kind of talks about his getting onto honey and all that and it was it was nice although also you can kind of see the strings of of the plot. They need to hunt to do this for the sake of the block further on so I also had kind of the sense that she's you know they were Uh. They were kind of forcing her but they were putting into a pattern which there was otherwise no necessarily even the things that she had to do the thing we we ever get a sense from Donnie. Before that she was someone who wanted to earn all of these extra things quite get. It was nice to have her doing something. But it felt like this was a bit out of Westfield the only only thing I can think of is that. She seemed like she wanted to learn to do things herself that she couldn't do for herself before. And maybe it's an extension of that. Yeah I agree it just seemed like okay so this is what they're going to do with Tony. All right. I'll go with reading. They entered it well again she she acted it. Well Oh and all the other stuff she was doing so I think as far as an extra Tahani. This is as good as we were going to get. I think good as we could have gotten and and And I was pretty happy with him. I was also happy with them. Bringing back the other characters that we had to spend time with this season so Brenton John and Simone because if they didn't then I would have just been wondering like whatever happened to those people and why did we have to spend so much of this season the with them so it's good that they wrap that up. Yeah I liked that. They just brought them back in for like a few seconds each like they didn't focus ten minutes on each of their plotlines. We just got enough to know where they went for a show that in a lot of ways for an episode that was going down for God lot they still did put a lot of stuff in without worrying about again spending every moment spending every moment on every minute of every guard his wife so So the next show another break and then we come back and it's cheese story. This is probably the one that made people cry the most so they start with with them at a dinner. I guess what's Tani's perfect pizza places what it's called and we noticed that the second time around so then they bring in a bunch should different peoples that they bring in Madison Brittany remains Which I guess now? They were the ones that she wake. Really who first one that she screwed over the other one with with one of those two or something but I guess they're all friends downright soda but Eleanor and Madison Brittany. And then Simone. was there being all friendly and happy. So she's she's good and then Cheetahs friend who I tried to look up what his name was and he's just easier like I don't think every anybody ever gives them a last name. which is you know? Hey you're not going to give them a glass name but Jeez childhood friend is there and saying. Hey look look at Chidi making all these choices back and forth. And here's where we talk about a tempest going through the door. I actually really like the fact that you know. In previous seasons especially in the the first season they were kind of making a joke of all the people who didn't make it into the good ways and now they get to make a joke about all the people who do make it through the good witch. So it's kind of a mirror image of that sort of you over. And so they talk about Shakespeare writing tempest to here we blow again which Yeah but this is where we started realizing. Eleanor realizes that she she probably wants to go through the door. By the way he's acting and she starts sort of acting fake happy towards them and then she tries to get him to stay by like I guess keeping interested in things and to she has Janet. Take them to the Acropolis and then to Paris and and and you know it doesn't work like we knew it wasn't going to work that he still wants to go and she tries to get him. Stay by arguing with him that no. I don't want you to go. And then she realized that that's not GonNa work and then she about to build anyway and there's some really nice Some moments events where they kind of again have another party to go over you know cheating and Chidi talks about how he he thinks. The death is a is like a wave and yeah so and then we get and then one more than we'll start talking about it is then we get the fact that Jason Recent was actually wandering around in the forest for a thousand Barra means and because he had a necklace to give to. Jen and I think the idea there was that they were going to you. Know Kinda. Give Jason One you kind of think for a second ohno is door thing actually actually a trick to the door everybody comes back right. So that's like two seconds of that and then you realize that they kind of go through that no no no just didn't actually goes through the door with the the conventions of the of the scene like a we expected. Take Your door. But he didn't and I it didn't feel I didn't feel that wonderful to have and do that because him being alone own for all this time when the rest of the show is about how people are always better with their friends. Felt like a little weird like they were kind of shoehorning another bit applaud into something something which didn't work for me but we can talk about it and so then the debate that killed me was jason saying after Chidi went through the door. And he's going to go follow him. Hey take it up a very jason thing to say so you know we Chidi going through the door and then Jason also so I finally going through the door. So what do people think of of those two moments. I feel like what they tried to is and I feel like they. Aubrey heavy handed way. But I still liked. It is to make Jason a monk before he leaves like literally I mean and Janet even says shipping. She'd been calls it. He behaved like a like Mongan. What's important about that is is that Jason lacked self control and this moment is like redeeming of all those qualities? He became like At ease with himself and the piece in a way that he never once before so I get the maybe they were trying into to do that and make him a person that actually is ready to cross the door. I feel like there's there's a reason that he didn't cross before and that's because he wasn't quite big yet. I thought that the necklace in and of itself was a reason for him not to cross like as soon as he mentioned like. Oh No I lost it. That it's like okay. He's got unfinished business here. Why is he gonNA walk through the door when he hasn't found it so it? Yeah I the whole Cini section. I think this was my break from crying. Actually even though I know it's the part that everyone kind of falling back on in reviews and things that I've read because it is really poetic in nicely done. Hit the tone right but I think we kind of knew that splitting eleanor in. Td Up was GONNA be the heart of the episode and it was and so maybe I was maybe more prepared paired for it then everything else. I'm not sure yeah I think the lakes the whole part of the Chidi plot line that got me was like eleanor speech about like kissing using him to say and then realizing how selfish she was in wanting him to stay like I felt like that was the most emotional part of the whole episode. Assode for me. It was just eleanor's realization of what she was doing and realizing that she needed to put her own feelings aside for his at that point. You're just thinking about how uh reluctant we were to accept the earth couple. I'm still not sure how I feel. Bill me too yeah. I'm not even sure now like how I feel about them as a couple but just thinking about somebody that you've like lived within shared shared your life with for that long. I feel like I would have felt that emotional if it was eleanor and any of the three of that yeah it was just the last last one. They're like just that like I don't WanNa be alone type feeling a I feel like it could have worked with if Chidi had gone through the door I I too could have been her and Jason or her and Tahani having wouldn't have quite the same philosophical tones to it but I could see eleanor. You're kind of having that same reaction with any of them. She just doesn't want to be alone anymore. They feel like very good friends but I concede him as a cop. I'm sorry I I tend to know I agree with you. I like the friendship relationships that you get in sitcoms much more than any of the romance ones. They tried to shoehorn in usually. And this one's one of those where I feel like I like them better etter when they're just really good friends and it works more for me and I would have probably cried harder if they were just friends and they weren't trying to make it a thing and would have felt much more earnest because it's calling the relationship what it is instead of trying to put something over. That's not what's going on. So yeah yeah I agree I would have preferred a different sort of a pretty tense with regards to the relationship but what I do think that the the the part of the part of their relationship for this portrayed most accurately the and most deeply was yet just the experience of getting older and losing the people you love as you get older as they die and this was all sort of refined and a fantastic version of it. Because of course don't actually got old. No one got sick and died from that no one got it. Would accident died odd so they all got to choose when they were gonna go but they were still different times of their choosing and they were still that sense of someone when they get really owned and all their friends are gone. What's your life can be like? How are you going to go on from there? And and I think the show only kind of skirted around the fact that that's a really lonely thing that you can't there's no answer answer for. There's no way you could try to do all the things you want in this in this fantasy land of the good place. But you're still really lonely without your friends and again do we. That ends is when you end and that's a very profound thing about about life in in some ways very depressing thing about life and they did show enough of that to make me get affected by that was probably the biggest the biggest Gut Punch of the show for me in this west thing. was you know the sense that I'm going to or is that person who's getting old and losing everyone and of course Michael Michael as well although it. It didn't not quite the same degree so I did. I did like that part of it because you uh-huh and even in a perfect world like this place was supposed to be perfect. People are going to want to go at different times and people are going to want to go when they're party doesn't WanNa go and that could be a really wrenching shing and and you know crazy making kind of thing for people right. Your partner wants to go and you don't that you're in heaven but did you nope. Now you're in your own kind of personal because they left and you didn't want to go like that they really just gotta scattered around it but the design for the good is still not ideal. I don't think I could a real life in that way. I mean to honey less to all of them do but she's just fine 'cause she's distracting yourself continually with lots of stuff and again. That's Michael kind of even said after a while I designed the perfect neighborhood and then there was nothing else for me to do like what happens when the happens to honey. She just goes to the door when she wants to but they never really addressed address that and you know they don't need you don't need to address everything but it was. It was something that I was thinking about. They'll sorts of implied that because she's human de Demon or an angel some sort. It's going to take a while longer. Yeah especially starting from the bottom so yeah there was a lot of really nice moments moment this you know I'm GonNa are saying now you know about me. Now we wake up and then the the the calendar and everything else. There are a lot of really good notes. Oh and then also it does feel a little bit in the middle of this part of it. We're like they almost made this whole this line which seems like again like a retread of previous plotlines and where you know. Eleanor Ehlers and good enough for cheating. They kind of made this up so that they could go on location shooting in Greece and parents right. Yeah Yeah I was like okay. Do the green screen it. I think the agreeing screened that no. They actually went mentioned it during the after show yet out. How Kristen Bell and William Jackson Harper were the only ones to get together Europe. Okay that's where the budget went instead that have fired demon special facts that champagne serving panda recipes. Mesh this episode right so okay so so gone and then we get sort of eleanor deciding what she's going to do you afterwards and you know so we get a good bit of an Michael also then we get down to eleanor Michael kind of the the real stars of the original. You know when the when the show started up they were the ones that people who've thought we're going to be the stars because they were the name actors and so we kind of get their stories for the rest to the show and Michael is upset that The council is needed anymore. And Eleanor is going through the for the calendar and all these tapes and it kind of feels like there may be stuck in the past but then they go in a direction that I wasn't entirely expecting another. I think I knew that many Saint Clair was going to be involved. Where Eleanor says you know? Oh I'm gonNA come convince you to go through the system. which is that was nice? They had a nice little shop with cooking. And Self Pleasure for a bit and and I you know I love that actress Sinclair so you know. And and it didn't inch Panella Guang on it but time for her to reconnect with with mindy and then bring her over to to honey and then you know another sort of Glasgow. Bit with Sean about I think find honey. We certified very soon. Does that sound evil. I didn't mean it to that. Was that was fun and then it bit. We're mindy says Thanksgiving crap about me. I don't really give a crap about myself so it's nice that someone else does and so again. There was a nice little getaway to send her off without again. They didn't have to show mindy going all system. That into show Donnie. Making new thing for her but but I WANNA I was like no okay ready to go but that you really hasn't biggest. She decides her last thing is to sort of convinced. Jen to Michael Make Michael Human and and so then the last seen the second I want to go to the door and we found but it looks like moats rising up to the trees as and then the the trees come back and actually the most comeback one of the moat survives until the next scene when Michael gets his his his junk mail about a discount card and says make it. What do tickets cuisine right skipping over some stuff? But I think Gotcha. That's kind of them. Just so what do people think of kind of the last part so we and Eleanor finding her last meeting my helping a couple more people and and then Michael Finding his last meeting the last bit of the story. We're going to see from him by turning into into a human and getting to do certain human things for a while. There were people happy with the way of dealing with sort of the main characters of the show aside. Janet we'll get back to Jenin. I liked that Our initial character when we first got into the very first episode of the good place was eleanor. And so then of course. She's the last to go through to the other side It felt it felt poetic felt bright and it left just enough room for what was is just a really sweet little Stinger at the end. which is I think how they really needed to end things? We have gotten atten concerned over Michael for all this time. So it's just I don't know his having him. Learn Guitar from his wife was very sweet super sweet. They couldn't have done that better. That was just right now. I loved seeing Michael as a human. I think that was like some the movie favorites in the different the hard days. And the fact that he named his dog Jason kind of Bowtie uh-huh and he comes down to earth and he's like wow it's hot so hot put into dry heat in the actual having his wife teach him how to play. The guitar was like perfect. Yeah that or nick. Offerman was my favorite favorite guests while they were both pretty good. She's her he's sexual wife I didn't I don't know her. Yes and she had add some kind of surgery a couple years ago and woke up like a musical savant lake five or six years ago so the fact that they had her teaching him how to play guitar it was kind of fitting wow. I didn't know that that's interesting. That's cool yeah. There's some really interesting articles about it. She's like written some country the western songs or something now but she didn't play music until within the last decade I could be wrong about the years. Bs She woke up after surgery with the ability. The bright and play music. Wow gets a fun. It's very interesting. She wrote a story wrong. That became like a hit song. Either it's on like the award or something is helping things is Didn't know that but yes so so Michael gets to be a person now. It's interesting like he didn't he didn't get born a baby and then grow up and every everything he kind of comes back himself which I think was you could tell why they did that. That way right because they just WANNA use that actor and the whole thing it makes it. It makes me wonder how he's GonNa get judged because he's only got a certain amount of time left and he had to sort of be be inserted with a whole back story. I guess and all but you know the point was to see Michael doing human things that actor doing human things because of course he is human one but anyway and you know not a lot of money in that for a tough retirement. Yeah Yeah I feel like they should have done the right thing and give him like a fool human life but I this. It's fine. It's fine fine. It's all good. It's good. That made me cry. Yeah Yeah I mean. Does anybody to any other thoughts about sort of how are got to end her story and how Michael got to end historian. It's I mean I like the IT gets to hell people along the way right but it doesn't feel like she's ending her life because because she reached that port the dealers mentioned. It feels like she's doing it. biggles plot I don't know I don't feel like she got the complete that she needed. What do you think that the Jason Chidi were? Both those actors. Were both kind of a little better at portraying that sort of life ending com peacefulness. We'll get the move on. I even towards the end I was going to. Are you sure you want to go. Because you still don't seem like you're ready and yet maybe they didn't give enough time for it or maybe that actress just same ability. But she's you know she's a good actress. You feel like like if they giving her a bit more of a web describing. I actually think here's what I think. I think that they wanted to give Janet a sendoff in that same with eleanor. Because they wanted to have Janet. And Eleanor. Kind of these discussion of all the things that Jenner their life and kind of go over and that sort of a way for Janet to kind of talk about herbalife in what she's done and in order in trying to combine those two and not give Janet her own ending scenes. I think they're kind of short shifted eleanor's and to to do a fun. It was fun to see this characters togetherness to actresses doing their thing but again I think it felt a little a little weird at the end for me at that point. I was already still kind of bummed about Janet. It stuck it stuck with me through the episode. Like you've really did I so much for everybody else that you just want something for her. I was almost souther for Janet records at your best friend is going to the door sure. Yeah yeah the one that suffers is still on the eighth Janika get grew so much just in dealing with them You know more than she ever had for any other people that she'd Associated Winston now they're all gone and they never really addressed that they never really you know does that at the beginning. I said to her. Hey it's okay if you're signing she's like no I'm good at that's it that's all we kinda get so poor. Janet Janet that Ah Soon as the episode was over and even after the wrap up with the cast. I just that was the only thing I was thinking and say he's just like Oh man. I felt bad for Janna and poor Janet that that was what. That's what's resounding from this for me. I'm sorry it also I don Adam not come in with the ending ending. I'm not convinced with them. Having that little scene at the ending with Michael receiving the piece of junk mail and being happy and stuff takes away of a strength of the scene the previous seeming supposed to be very poignant and and have a lot of gravitas and stuff. And then it's over and your transition to Michael or getting junk mail and I know that's that's what the show is about. Hugh being human is kind of dumb and weird and funny sometimes but I don't think a joke coke was necessary right at that moment. I could have done with the more restrained. They didn't put a joke. They puts Berry little jokes and the episode's dicta landing the one thing that did notice the third time that I watched the episode is there is a bit of connection between the last The moment where eleanor crosses the line and And the the junk mail seen. I don't know if everyone else noticed. It was weird. There's like sparkles The Angeles talking about yeah. Yeah sure that it's all connected. I guess yeah this like Eleanor. I don't know commencing the Guy Physically to become junk mail. It felt like that it wasn't like a moat went into women possessed him or anything but just showing that things are connected. I think the post anything more an or contrary AM I. Am I correct in thinking that like getting being a rewards card was one of the things that Michael said. He wanted to do as the humidity unlike previous like it didn't feel jokey to me. Because has he mentioned like wanting a rewards card and he wanted to on ironically say take it easy to somebody. In everything so it was sort of a fulfillment of if Michael had as opposed to just a jokey thing yet but they were sort of joke. Goals Michael Whoa. They were but there were supposed to represent how Michael didn't know what being human was like so does so realistic. To who Michael has been the whole time. I felt like like if it was just something completely serious. That wouldn't have felt authentically. Michael Sort of goes toward they complained before about Michael Nut can into lever for life. Because if you would have the full live he'd be basically like a different burson and he'd be human in in completely and he wouldn't like to get junk mail but doing it this way they can get Michael. That knows that he's a demon knows about the good place and and hassle this life experience behind him. That has nothing to do with being human. So he's like Bissett or you know. He's like leaving abroad for a couple of years but he's not really a hundred percent human because he already so much baggage it you know. It's a comedy right. There's only so much we can expect from the human condition. Yeah I just wanted to know how asking them to do something. I don't know I I kind of thought it is as it's a wonderful life where George Bailey gets the book and he hears Bells Ring and realizes that that's Clarence and so I kind of thank you know he gets this male and he realizes that it was eleanor and that's why that's when he says they get sleazy. I duNNo. I thought it was a sentimental really. Liked it go can't believe you guys. I don't know I'm big stuff. I see so instead of doing sort of our usual kind of joke machine because they weren't really that many jokes in this that there were some. Why don't we focus more on just sort of favorite Britt favorite moments of the episode? So what did people. What did people really like about subsequent what moments what scenes? What little bits of dialogue? Or whatever do people really come through J. Oh yeah that's a good again. That's a good bit. And then that's a good way to end the show right to what a thing that stuck out to me was when Michael Who's going down to Earth and gives the frog to Jeff. They like ties that that he's like I know what I'm going to name. It was totally expecting him to go with like Michael or something and Mr Jumpy legs you gave him a Jiminy cricket or something there was reserved for. I think it was Mr Giambi legs but I thought auty was going to name him. Michael after that makes for Mr Jumpy likes the colour Glenn again was Nice. I liked when he. He apologized to honey for getting me on on you and she he said yes but she was really gracious about. I'll go under the bridge. It was an ice queen. That's right Jamila bill saying Gold Goo under the bridge also really enjoyed our final glimpse at the Derek head with Derek Martini heads and things and I mean that could be our glimpse into Jan.. Its future if anybody over one hundred fifty one times actually doesn't sound like that many reboots a billions of billions of reboots. rapidy wasn't necessarily Nancy dirt dirt in a bit of a magical state there and then did with Ed. Did you like sort of it. They They ended up with What's his name Doug right so they got him in a younger body and just having him eating chicken and everything that was that was that was a fun. Call back to it. I wonder under because the expert said was supposed to be like a friend of a writer or something like that right was okay. Yeah he was a writer or something that yeah and they got the guy from the picture to make the which was fun and that's kind of and and the guy that plays him in the episode in which for setup years which he sold again that that's not I'm guessing it's not the same guy because gross. That's sort of the for the point of making him all. I guess well the that guy is Israeli famous so they probably just didn't bring it back my my point being being it actually got the actual guy from the frame not like last time. Oh Yeah I think so. Yep Ah I liked the Ted of Joe Quinn Tahani was getting ready to leave and John comes running in talks about how he hooked up with Alexander the Great but he was more like Alexander the fine find supposed to be worse than great or is in in that context. I think it was supposed to be worse. Agree Okay Yeah but yet invariably if you WANNA say something like fine something like some affectation pation maybe that would have been better but in the context they was like it was fine. I like that she eighty has read all the books to the point where now. He's reading the Davinci Code. Yeah he's just going to trash now about. I like garbage book right. Yeah the way he said. It was kind of funny to another nurse. Still taking hundreds of Burmese to read one book but she did it right. Yeah she did it. And it took eleanor's mom a lot of bear Moose to figure out how to pronounce cheese MOM's name and I don't think we ever knew her name so I don't know maybe we did. I don't remember what. TD's MOM's name was because I'd like to know if it was something super hard to pronounce or if eleanor mom just really that much of a Bimbo. That scene really worked for me. Where they're talking about their mom's getting together and they're like? Oh Oh yeah you know the last time that happened two times ago or whatever it really it really sunk in that. Yeah you know. They've done this before. I liked that scene Rebecca Chase because again when their turn of getting to this sense of the ineffable right right things that you can't explain and I think they did a good job with sort of chicken and Jason both kind of having them say what they felt a certain peacefulness but they can't really oh explain where that came from her exactly how they got it and that you know that feels right. It feels like you know you don't want to try to explain that fully that attentive being ready to die being peaceful enough to be ready to die like how do you even get there like. That's that's something. That's a mechanical. Follow these five steps in your there. It has to be something. That's a bit mysterious and a lot of the power of the episode was from for me was was from that from them reading on that and take advantage of of that idea you to a I like the judge. Jen says she's getting into podcast. 'cause there's like a billion of them and they just keep coming. We're we're by. We're anti she. You know that my Rudolph is just so amazing and she really lively characterization this time as well I think she she she you know same character but just just went out at the top of the top of her game two two. Oh and the other thing like when when I was there at talking with Judd Shannon about making Michael Human and I under says if you do this you'll never have too many of us ever again and Jessica. ooh That's tempting. 'CAUSE 'cause y'all are annoying. Your tone is annoying. Eleanor's like yeah. Yeah we know that was funny. Yeah the touch is like I said that I would be like to Hannie. But I mean that's like the good place version of of my afterlife but place Persian or the medium place version would probably be like judge. Just watching TV listening to podcasts. Yeah of like to be the Hannie about improving more like judge. They finally worked in guardmen. She reference friends. You knew it was coming it to read. They almost didn't get that in b but the guy that played pill boy was unavailable until like the very end so he had to like film his scenes allow. So that's why they were able to slip it in Well it's did late enough. That Garden Guard near Mint Shoe was a thing. Okay Okay Yeah. I like them Michael Songs it has the craziest lyrics there so terrible well did you notice that the ending credits music was banned singing those wrecks yeah. I'm disappointed that it's not actual dance and singing but I liked the lyrics are so bad through of something about marshmallow things marsh. Oh speaking I don't know why this may be thick of it but Jason talked talked about smoking Salvia and then wanting trying to brush his teeth with his cat Michael Reference in his. I don't remember but I think he named Jason brushing his teeth with the cat when just at another where he was like. Oh I can see. You're said like my elementary school teacher. Every time I raised my hand and in as much as they were joking lines I think Jason had had a good number of them. mm-hmm so Jason's dad talking about how Jason raised him like Nick Offerman being on the show. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's great and it's it's a better ending that than the end in that. His character real parks. I'm happy to hear it was fun to come back from a commercial break and just see like a chair and and then see nick offerman like looking at the chair. You're like dug into doing good. Yeah that's that's what this is that that was was the one the one thing in the episode that was spoiled for me. Because I didn't watch it till Friday morning and I've just been on instagram. And like most of the time the good places. Instagram has been good at Blake putting up cover photo but for some reason they had a photo of Nick Offerman on there. And I'm like crap. Nick offer the the first so I was kind of disappointed that I got spoiled by that. But I'm glad he wasn't like playing an actual character was just itself. Who's he play? What are they actually mention him by his name like Nick so and so help me? No but I feel like everyone but he had the he didn't look like his character in parks and rec so he looks like him. That's what he looks like. That's what he looks like. He's yeah he's been hosting that what's that TV show. Yeah making it with Amy Poehler on NBC. Too It's like a reality show that he's been hosting. I don't think I mentioned this or I don't know if we when overnight but when Janis got her list of things that she's trying to cross off she gets to cross objectify. Eleanor making her uncomfortable. And that yeah and then also on there is like read infinite desk which is funny. Because I will. I'll never be able to finish that much but she did so good for you. Apparently that's something. Mike sure mentions frequently. is his attempt to read. Infinite jest is longest and is so. Yeah I've never tried so probably couldn't get through either. If you can lifted lifted accounts cheap probably finished it. Yeah he's he's under. He's under Dan Brown now. I mean I've read the Garbage Book Doc. I got the excerpt from the Hannes. To-do list if you want me to read it. I'm sure she has landed on the triple axel. So the PUNK era contractor perform adultery on from Lucia. The lammermoor add less Kala. Barb the alphabet become a master worker. Learn how to repair a dry way. Break this one. I definitely don't understand. Maybe you guys can explain break. Graham Gooch record of four hundred fifty five. Ah for fifty six runs in a single test. What's that I didn't know that one either? I didn't understand it either. Mustard muster conducting orchestra muscle conducting train. Great a bit bitten jam. An all-star free resold the Colossus of Rhodes fix Jesus Fresco. The lady messed up and we also got our final Tahani godparent mentioned in this episode. Yeah Frank Gary I did like everyone ruin Kinda finish your sentence with her what she did the somebody should total up. How many godparents Tahani has had throughout the series? It's gotTa be like twenty five which including a clock. There was a moment where eleanor I said when I wonder and Chidi were kind of sitting on the couch before sunset says I was never good at being said partly because my mom straight up told me not to. That was kind of interesting. The have she still has all of the bad experiences that you had growing up all the things that formed and and molded her into the person that she did not very good person that she was. She's still remember about stuff even though she's been she's better now. She's got a lot better experiences and is that it was interesting to kind of throw that in you know at a at a moment when a lot of other ways they were all very happy but still human known. I don't like her going to to see Mindy Indo. It's heavy shoehorn Dane. The way that the she she she says the. That's our goal and I feel like that's not her go from the beginning snap. It's not believable. But I do like she goes and helps me in the. The last scene is great. I did want to see Mindy whatever. Excuse David come up with to have come back and and sort of be mindy all over again I did. I did like that. They had her. And you know whether we believe that Mindy was whether we believe that mindy was really ready to go through the system awesome and become a better person or not you know they can take a wreath but one one that started working at doing was nice and also Maimi thing because she doesn't seem like she wants to go like the other character. Stu So maybe million life is the answer. Very if you've done how everything then you'll never run out of things to do what we those jokes in previous seasons about Mendy reading the same magazine over and over ever again and the same books again. I think I think I think what they showed. Her felt that she had settled that. She thought this was just the best she could you and so she was scared of trying anything else that feeling you know most people don't say at that Baldwin when they're in that sort of situation that that felt right and it would have been nice again if they had taken a little bit more time with their to to deal with you know you know. Can you really commit someone. Spent billions of years settling that in in two minutes. You should change your life. That's a bit you know. Maybe that's a bit much but but I did. I did it the way they went through. That Mindy Mindy hasn't changed enough to care about herself. But she'll take she'll take eleanor caring for her in the meantime the multi but I I think my favorite moment of all of it came from the after show which. I'm not sure that we also did you. Guys see it as well to move. Yes the S.. Yeah didn't pay much attention. So Darcy Carton. You know sat on the corner of Sofa A and you can just see if you look pretty closely. She is wearing the J.. Plus J necklace. Jason gave it but she's wearing it as a bracelet and it's just just so slightly you can just tell and that made made me really happy and they really did a cast. Seem just genuinely glad to be around each other. Glad to be a part of the project the whole thing so it was nice that they did the wrap up at the end. It gave everyone a chance to put a cap on it but it's also funny seeing what many into talk normally Kaz he. He's got such a weird way of talking Jason that it got no he can he can talk normally and and again I really. I actually think especially the the characters the the actors were not nearly name name characters before name actors before hope they all deserve a chance to be Lee characters on their own shows have just really long successful careers and You know really really rooting for them. You know it can be hard. I think Especially because a lot of them are actors minority actors that it can be hard in Hollywood to get get a fair shake the sorts of like that but I do I do. I do hope that they all deserve. Hit shows reading reports and they can all they can handle it even even if this kind kind of their first big break they can handle it and it would be great to see them more doing other things completely different. So they're not typecast or anything agreed. Nothing does it. I don't think we can keep talking without getting crossover to the retrospective you're probably right. Yeah I felt like this is a good place to so we will just go to show. We will stop and leave our audience wanting more we know when it's time I believe. Are we already ready to go anytime. You ready okay. So yeah yeah so. That's kind of it for our last flash cast episode or last episode specific one episode of the place of this Mussa's in this in In this context but again becoming back for a retrospective and so we will. You will hear us again and Thanks everybody for being here have Fitch thank you thank you is such a shiny. It's been so long so rich. You adamant thank. You can nate. Everyone and Sarah Gardner thank you. I'm glad you guys are my friends. The and we will see you all one more time. Yeah Yeah thank you. We can do this one two three. I don't WanNa yeah. I'm not ready. I'm going to go through the door. I everyone I'll show you how to do it. Yeah well schedules them. We'll talk somewhere.

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592: The Good Place S4E8 Review: "The Funeral to End All Funerals"

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592: The Good Place S4E8 Review: "The Funeral to End All Funerals"

"Yeah great now we are. Yeah okay well. That's a good. That's a good omen for tonight back to team cockroach podcast about the good place that we could comedy on. NBC By make sure. Sure sure sure sure sure sure boy away yeah starting well my name is Andrew Pontius am joined by two wonderful goes Rachel Ataman. Hello Hey everyone and Sarah Gardner owner hi there. Hi How are you. It's the end of the week thing. Yeah all righty. So it's this judgment time as the immortals head to judge Jen's chambers team cockroach occupy themselves by staging the funerals. They wished they'd had on earns while also blogging around the unconscious body of their friend as if it were weekend cheese. Meanwhile Michael Manages to convince judge. Jen that all humans can improve when provided with access to love and support rendering the current point system inadequate. This works so well. That Judson is ready to reboot the entire universe wiping not everyone. WHO's there now? But all the giants including bad Janet's and Disco Janet. Come to the rescue hiding the necessary doomsday device. Quicker somewhere in their voids in the short amount of time they have left. Elinor convinces Michael that they must wake up Chidi to come up with a new judgement system even though his crippling indecisiveness okay so this may doom them all okay. That's for the funeral endo funerals. Which is the episode roofing at this week? which is episode eight of Season Four? So what what do people think of this. I liked it. I thought it was really well. Done I like seeing the judge and a a good place people again. The committee of good places. I don't know what they're called but those nice to see them again. Yeah Yeah I liked that. We had such a quick resolution from last week. I kinda thought they might try to our little longer before returning to judge Jen. But I'm glad that they didn't even more crazy things in motion. which is when I like? This is the best so I mean we've got. I think six separatist left. If I've done the math right so I knew that they couldn't just say. Oh Yeah you've won everything's fine we're done. Something had to happen one way or another. I think Sean says wait later on in the episode. You know even when you win you lose something like that which I thought was very very apt so so we knew something else is going to have and actually get this real. Listen to suspense when we were waiting. Virgen to give a ruling like they've really managed to build up that that sense of of. Hey something something unusual. Something's GonNa Happen that you don't it quite know what it is. And they've had some times when that has happened in the past. There's been this timer kind of in place when they know you've got to do it and even even last I steps didn't feel quite like that for me. The last time I felt like this was when Michael was going to restart the experiment and all the team Cockroach Gretch folks had to kind of figure out what to do to save themselves. That was kind of the last time when I felt that this was we. Were really under the clock. You know every second counted. Somebody had to do something and I got that again and again when they have those gathered peak moments for the show. When it's not just business as usual? There's some sort of climax and competition going on. This was definitely it. Definitely one of those episodes. So why don't we go through. What happens when word you till? Maybe and a lot happened in this episode. They really just just different scenes. Lot of different costumes everything so so they kind of start off with with the match and I guess we've seen before we we've seen that when he goes into the obelisk but we also that before that I had to look up from Yup. We'll see the together. Did the we the weird sex things in the accounting office. He had to deal with all the points for the weird thing. Oh the poor man he he really he really was pretty in pretty bad shape. He wanted to and his own existence and they wouldn't let him so he's better now right even in the he's doing better he's managed to make everything into a game show and that seemed to really take him. Yeah you got to dance a little bit at the end. Guess swallowed time. Whenever I see that Guy I think that they should have cast boyle from nine? Didn't hadn't another one of my shirts people deliver there. He would be good in. That role was that they find out with Matt comes comes out right but he says judge. John is going to rule but the humans can be there because they can't see the points that are actually happening so this is just an excuse so that all the humans get to go off and be by themselves for a little bit and although they also take Janet with them and Janet originally tells them what happened at their own. Funerals and to honey. Doesn't want to hear it. But Jason Does so Jason says they defeated or Red Lobster and get. That's apparently that's good. That's a good thing I'm a johnny doesn't want to hear it but she does say why. Don't we have our own funerals instead. When why don't we throw ourselves the funerals and funerals? Which is where the title comes from? And so that's kind of a lot of the episode. Is them having their own funerals the way they wanted to have them in getting someone who really cares for them saying something about them at those at this funeral and so and I really like what are people thinking is does funeral episode. We'll get to more specifics but just sort of the concept of them doing their own funerals to people like those that part of this episode. Would it only Kinda worked for me. I liked when the heartfelt moments happened. You genuinely tell like these characters who've grown together especially when it came to eleanor and eventually saying something about cheating. But I don't know if they hadn't done Dan that part of the episode. I think still probably would have been fine. Yeah yeah I thought it made for some good jokes especially with Jason's funeral. Yeah but otherwise I was just kinda like okay it the parts that I like most of those funeral scenes was the reaction Shen of the the dead person to what they were saying like to. Honey actually probably did the best where she was still face but then she was making these like a a expressions especially with your mouth what people were saying are kind of funny to mean and then our was a little more open about an and then Jason. Jason just couldn't help himself he was basically just full on. You know laughing and responding everything I just thought they were good. Those were almost most better character moments than what the other people were saying about them is what how they reacted to their own funerals. And of course you had Jason's wonderful suit that amazing and he was over a blanket which is basically the same pattern. I think it'd be lying on the on the diving board. And then he was going in that as if it were get right and his whole thing about Jayson. TATUM and Eleanor. Do you know they which they have a bond. Yeah I just love Janet's like eulogy to Jason Little Thing. She made me. He made me want to feel before where I ever had. Any feelings asked me about my feelings before I had any and made me WanNa go get some right. That was cute. Okay well we can move on with that to the to the story and it's true that particular parts of the episode were were parts. which were obviously sleep filler? But they weren't. They were meant to not go anywhere because they couldn't because of what was going on in the other scenes so so that other seen We got a bunch of scenes with Judge Jen comes back and she does kind of your usual Her usual bet. Did you sort of Judge John Joke about TV and and this time around it was a petition to bring back bill which was kind of getting getting is in the mood there to talk with Jim but yes yeah so they talk about the the people in the experiment and I guess we didn't really know what was going on either so this was also news to us. How well they had improved or if they had improved and you everybody improved except for Brett which makes sense right the British? I'm not sure it makes sense or maybe not to me so okay okay. We're supposed to think that Simone and Chidi both improved pretty drastically and then John even more so but somehow from the the time he died to the time he died again Brent is was minus one so that would mean that in the afterlife. He got worse before he had a sudden jump. That made him better. So how did he get worse from when he was on earth because he was terrible it was terrible from the beginning. Yeah Yeah we didn't ever actually see him on earth maybe on earth he was is more controlled. Who knows? I know you would think that I mean if anything he would have leveled off and then got better but not so much that he would have lost points. I I mean I'm sure chip driver lost him a lot of fun. Yeah that's true. I've blocked out of my memory. So quickly would for weather. He was supposed to be like pretending he was going to do good. And we kind of saw. Did you see the I remember the second season that pretending finger likes doing good to get a reward actually doesn't gain you points so maybe washburn but but did you I. I would agree that they didn't explain it and I don't. I'm not sure I would have wanted a really detailed explanation Something for them to try to convince us that this what happened even when we didn't see it so I'm actually Kinda glad that in spending more time on it but it's true. Yeah I think if it were like instead that they had to meet some sort of improvement threshold and that he just didn't make it rather than being a negative number will judge them was saying that the evidence had to be overwhelming which. I don't remember her saying originally but it does yup kind of bothered me to at one point. She says like or someone and says we can't decide the fate of the universe in three people but you can on four people because a friend had made enough from the point difference than four people would have decided everything. Yeah they're they're not. They're not trying to be completely rigorous and appropriately with cheating being awake to remind them that they need to be more rigorous shoot. Yeah Yeah so direct to the show the point system and then they kinda Kinda after that event where Michael was trying to come up with sort of any reason why humanity should be saved and he comes up with the fact that the original four people got better and then he comes up with the fact that the original for people went back to Earth and helped other people get better which is pretty convincing to me right with some some help. People can always get better. Yeah I feel like it kind of just nullified. The whole experiment that we spent the season on though the experiment. It really didn't do much. It was the people the things they did last season. Like we had to spend all these episodes with Brenton John just to get that attached. Ouch yeah true true but ouch and then what else So they so okay so one way or another judge says okay right. But I'm gonNA reboot everything. I'm going to get rid of everybody. Everybody in order to start over and that's really what we're the meat of the plot kind of starts in this episode like. Oh okay now. We have to try to avoid that from happening. And that's where things get a little crazy. An Aso glove that again. Sean was saying you know you one but you still lost and I still win and and you know you're the well the whole thing about the glue your Glue Glue. That knows how to say. I'm wro appropriately. The but I didn't I didn't think there was just enough of Sean in this episode wasn't overwhelming but he was just that right amount of sharpness and and delicious cruelty in this episode against sort of Hapless Michael that You know he didn't take over but he was. He was a good thing to have for for this one did to show and you know what also show he said Ain't maybe people aren't working and that's not an invalid. Argument breathing people too. So what else happened anything else sort of before we get to The rush at the end to kind of save things not really. Yeah they did get the humans at some point and bring them into the chamber. Don't remember when that the people people looking back in once. I think once the judgment where once they stopped talking about points so they were. They were pretty rigorous about that. They only brought them back in when when it was time and for the actual judgment and they were all there and it did that moment of them all kind of waiting and and cringing everything for the for the ruling that you again. That felt very suspenseful to me. That worked for me well and you knew when they celebrated verdict that that wasn't going to be and the things you know. This is not going to go. So Jen says you knock everything off. And then she goes for the clicker and then there was at one moment with the Good Place Committee. Right we're JEN had defined the CLICKER and they were. They were pretty much one note element of this episode. So it's good that they weren't there for very long. I think they didn't need to be there but it was still nice to see them. Well they were you know. They relegated them to another room. They weren't even the same room as everyone else. So that seems about right the and then they jen is going to get the quicker and then And then the big moment is when Janet steals quicker quicker right. That's sort of. Hey how are we going to be saved. and Oh we're going to be saved and I thought that was pretty neat. I don't know about did I pronounce. Is that right. Funded for her and then Jen tries to get the cook from her and goes into her void. It would get that again watching that again Darcy cardon justice system wonderful job of sort of jerking around as if someone is is inside her and and the physical comedy in this episode. I think it was really really good. Data Lot of fun with so And then we all the other giants will get bad. Who Comes back saying the book was actually did? Change your opinion of things so we did. We did that right that she he was gonna come back and then and then bringing the other Janet's and that sort of how they're going to stave off judge Jen for they said what about forty five minutes while the team coach tries to figure out what to do do people like all the other genus. Do People Disco Janet discourage in it was amazing who she was not what I pictured. What were you veterans? Today Stadler X.. Men but Janet. I WanNa the know who the other Janet's where there was at least two Janet costumes. I don't think we've ever seen before. There were the bad Janet's there was the good Janet and her caution cautioned than there. were two other like colorful kind of Janet costumes. I don't think we've ever seen before and I don't know who they are. It was just different colored plaid or something On Regular Janna HAP- like animals on her shirt or something she soon shannon what she is but because there were several role of the Good Janice that we're in the exact same outfit like the one who likes to send the gift of Otters. So just curious. I don't maybe they did say who those jammed Chan swearing. All the Janet's we brought all the Johnson speculate and that's fun well to the Janet with the otters others. That was a good Janet right or is that something that was a good good Jennifer. She's sending auto. She's good Janet. Yes but maybe super maybe the What was it the best Janet rate instead of just a good Jenin? It's a journey best place room. If any Janet's it's the Best Janet Janet it's the rebooted good Janet that's been booted millions of times become smartest Janet. Yeah I was right there with the otter is like I was kind of imagining if we could have seen first season. Janet saying the thing think about the. I'm not sure if we could they did. They did play lotto videos of Otters in the I o of the I episode maybe back toward the otters holding hands. She's just hard coded. For otters okay so we kind of come to towards the end of it you know kind of doing their thing. Degenerates during their thing. And the humans have to kind of figure out what to do next and Michael Does his best asked if fumbling around again the way he does when he's under stress and then owner says no. No we got to wake up. We gotta make up Chidi which totally makes sense right and also we nice to have him mhm sort of a more Chidi heavy episode giving the episode. He had no lines whatsoever. Has some good physical comedy like. When when they were trying to lift up? We found out how he got his muscles. We did that scene of have when they're at Jason's funeral and it just pans out and she these floating on the Pool House. I just died. I haven't actually seen wicked Bernie's but I'm assuming that I'm assuming that this is a reference to that having having him food around like that and so you probably know all you need to know what we can never. You've seen it. No I just assume I know I need to know about. Yeah there is a reason. I haven't watched it but yeah I also liked it. At Eleanor's funeral that he was in his postman outfit because she dressed him. Yep Report so yes yes. Oh that's a good. So it's a cliffhanger next episode. When presumably we'll get Chidi Wilkin job and battling his indecisiveness to sort of figure out? What a point system could you know I? I really liked that. They went back and said the point system was inadequate to describe humanity. It's it's pretty funny. The first season the point system was always kind of part of the joke machine. It was never. I don't think it was ever really taken all that seriously as a thorough philosophical philosophical mechanism for for things it was always. Just Oh. Here's another joke. A joke about it is or how outrageous it is and so for them to come back and say well yeah this is never going to cut it and now we're going to actually try to do it for real kind of has some promise for me for them at least for one episode for them to go through it but if people think about a UH yeah I think it'll be interesting if they can if she can come up with a good system to judge humanity I feel like that's a good Chidi CD quandary. Because he had the point system does not seem to be effective. I hope next week is philosophy heavy because that's one of the things about the first season that I enjoyed. It was just so fresh indifferent to have that INA comedy but we'll also probably have to touch on the all the stuff. The Cheetah has to be reconciling in his own mind. Not just the plan but everything else all at once just like Michael said that's a lot to take all at once with all these lives and lessons that it's really the only shot they have will even if they do this. We've still got you know. Even if they do philosophy for the next episode we've got five hundred episodes after that for them to fill so something else is going to have to happen in addition to that but so I would actually be pretty happy if they mostly focused on the philosophy next time around and then got back to sort of the plot of. Hey we've got A. I don't even know what I don't even know what they're gonNA do. What what what could they change? How could they move things along such that? There's five more episodes of things to do when they've already gotten I don't know I just I don't know what they're gonNA do. You feel like this almost should have been the episode before the break feel weird. There's one more episode and and now we know we're going to have a few weeks off I feel like this should have been abused reboot everything again with Chidi system and we'll see that around the interesting you give it a try give Chidi Sistema try could yeah who knows. I really don't know where they're going to go from here. But I'm excited to sued. The result of all they're doing is buying time to get a plan in order. Isn't jen going to be still mad at them. Sir so I mean they're they're not in her favor at the moment when had her mad at them before cheap. I guess forgave them but yeah obviously their lives are not all going to end at the end of the next episode. So I mean I hope you got a lot of time to fill if they you know maybe maybe episode. What episode ten is going to be the AMOEBA? 's maybe he won common. I wanted to make about this episode. Is this episode. Was Kristen. Bell's director debut for any. She's never directed anything before and she directed this episode. Hung just start. That was interesting a lot of really good like physical physical comedy moments in this episode. So I think it's just kind of interesting to have one of the cockroaches directing everything right. None of the actors directed any of them before we not that. I'm aware of director. Yeah I don't think he I don't I think he is. Let me see pretty easy to go. Go Yeah Yeah arresting an awful lot of importance even show importance importance on CD. Who would have thought that he would have been like the most important character for at least a strong episode? I'm sure it's GonNa be it's GonNa have a point and he's going to be in charge of that point so or the focus of that point. I don't know if he's going to be in charge. But yeah the focus definitely mm-hmm. I like it because I think they've had they've been giving him a little bit of short shrift in the last couple of episodes because he's been the experimental subject checked instead of part of the team so he gets to do stuff but not as much as he used to so it would be nice to see that in all the different reboots Cheetahs. CD's kind of been the lynch pin of getting everyone to improve like. It's his teaching of philosophy so I'm not really. That surprised that it comes down to Chidi. Again they serve lucky that one of the people in the neighborhood was a philosophy professor a lot. What if what if he was just a bad boy at the grocery store Michael Really screwed up by picking sheedy experience? Just pick the lady on the street three to give out bad Halloween candy. I'm sure there's somebody else super indecisive. He could've put there instead. Well that's the thing like he. He came across as so good in the early episodes of season one. We didn't know yet. Now this was deliberate. But we didn't know yet that Stephen had a that was so bad that would put him to the bad ways and yeah well he drank all that almond milk now we now. Now he's known the whole time but yeah he did as much physical comedy as he could this around and I do have I do have well. Well in our faith in him that he'll be he'll be worthy of the attention. Extend next week is called the answer and it is the last episode scheduled for the time being so I wanted to talk a little bit about. Do I talk about the suspense of it. I WanNa talk about the physical comedy. There was quite quite God of it like before we even get to the jerk machine. Just there were so many bits about Janet kind of moving around when some was insider void. Everybody trying to pick up Chidi but there were other things too like Jason. Got To do cannon ball and other do a handstand stand in the water and everything I think And Jason with no shirt on for those for those Interested I did in that aspect of it ranked. We didn't get shirtless shades. It's just but I just felt. There was a lot of good physical comedy. Yeah Jen and Matt Dancing. And a little bit of Sean dancing at the annual singing the song and we forgot to mention Jason Singing. You got to hear Jason. Yeah that's right. That was that was funny. And then actually you did owner do that much in the way of anything. Sort of more physical comedy. She just kind of held onto her Margarita. Mix Panel as if it were a friend right and they gotta do the comedy when they were sort of cameras on them and they were supposed to be playing dead. They were doing that so so does anything else. We've forgotten about the part about the scenes before we hit into the machine. I do think it was a nice moment when Tahani reflected on what she learned from. Eleanor because for one. Donnie hasn't had that much to do this this season so when they give her dialogue that is heavy it makes an impact and we need to see how their their friendship really made a difference in her life. Oh and we didn't talk about this but they did look at the point. Totals for people still on earth. That have been changed by the former team cockroach. So Eleanor's mom or stepmom pill boy. There was tiny sister. And there was a fourth eleanor's uh-huh MOMS stepdaughter. That's what it was but just just kind of making that same point bringing characters that we've seen before which it. I wasn't expecting that little wrinkle as it was happening that this is another way that they can try and evaluate points. Good Coke Doc. And of course she was sean who brought it up by accident so that was kind of Nice little touch as well now do we. I don't remember this episode. Well in fact I might not have watched them. But did we see all those scenes where the cockroaches were interacting with those people yet improving those people like was that an AH element of those of those episodes. Yeah they all like interacted with them. And you know Jason chose to save pill boy over his dad because donkey. He's just a lost cause. Eleanor had to deal with her mom her mom moving on with a new family and actually being being a good mom I really like that they that they called back to it on the Internet. which just go it? It made the fact that we had those episodes mean something toward the end which skin that was that was kind of the moment when the show was kind of losing me. Because there wasn't I just didn't know where they were going with any of those so so yeah let's at the machine. They were a lot of jokes. And we've gone over some of them because they were kind of more part of the plot but there are a lot more left. AFT- Jason How to catch a just a whole ton of really good wines and he was also like this felt like a very Jason Jason in December end like he was just very much into week. When you see like many us into wake hit that actor is not Jason rank like he's just Bersin and but with when he gets into that persona of Jason He really just goes you just puts all of his but does all into it and it's just he was so good this this week week? I think so. You know the very first line like and everyone's asking Matt when he comes out of the question Michael's new questions and and Jason comes up and did you find intendo. I can't find it any never mind. I'm holding in. That was that's just. That's one of my favorite jokes. This episode was eleanor's story to Hani's funeral. o how Tani he was taught her how to shop for broad how she shouldn't wear a Bra from Home Depot they don't actually sell them at home depot. It was a men's back support but it. It worked in a pinch that story. So it's like a very eleanor thing. And then we get to see to honey's face says she told that story. That was great. Yeah we don't hear too many trash. Eleanor stores anymore. So that was a nice go back. I thought it was really smart of my gall to when he was talking to Jen. Try and get her to imagine the cast of friends in Hell because and you wouldn't put Phoebe. They're not phoebe now the rest of them but that was pretty good. We know how John Lesser TV. That was yeah he drew it out right like you say well okay. Monica and and Roy Shandor definitely Shamburg but bits they squeak nascar done and then what else. Oh and then In Illinois in Johnny's his funeral there's a there was a picture of Johnny on the magazine. Something International Bus. We international call something where she was like holding a bird. Anyone remember if the international sophisticat I think they I think it was in one of the previous episode Eh. They talk about that cover but but was the bird mean anything sculpture. That was her sister. Good Twenty Times better than her at sculpting yeah. I don't remember if that was the point to the bird gives her. She got her funeral in. Gulfstream Gulfstream private job and. Jason says at one point the only sad thing is she never got over a speech impediment which okay. Yeah uh so those. Were like to win They asked Janet where she was at the beginning of. She's like he's on the toilet she. It can wait. I have to explain for explained that she just put the humans in the bathroom. Store them somewhere and Chidi got the seat of honor. Yeah didn't have you kind of find it weird that when they were doing the eulogies. Neither Jason Jason or honey mentioned that the two of them were a couple at one point. I guess I guess it's been you know how many hundreds careers maybe it doesn't matter it's true I mean they. They were married in this most recent reboots so because they got married on earth too. So that Jason. Jason gave the money all the money away or he got all Tani's money or something. I don't remember exactly what happened there. But they were married on earth before before they started the experiments and I like those episodes where Jason and Johnny were together. I thought were good. Sort of personality episodes answered sort of growth episodes for both of them. So yeah it's too bad that they didn't mention it but there were a lot of things they didn't mentioned in its unions like they were not trying to be exhaustive in those funeral orations. They were in and out real quick with mostly with jokes. So yeah we got more information about Jason Being born in the swimming pool which he mentioned opt handedly last week comes back his sweeping the big C so sad it was funny and and then you realize he wasn't joking that's just call and it was cancer. Watch a handstand. When you don't do that don't do that? That was there that was one of the moments where like many. Just you get an Oscar for that. I loved all the props. It Eleanor's funeral occur shirt said dead AF and there was a banner that said you're dead in the background and you just all of the decorations were just perfect pitch. Perfect for Eleanor one. Everybody wore different things for each of the funerals right. I guess everyone what they what the dead version thought. They should wear to their funeral. So honey wears sweatpants for the first time in her life which I thought was pretty funny. That's the only one I remember but I did see it. Fun Headwear for each one. Socially she had a veil for Tahani and she'd like a Sun visor for eleanor. Yeah just different hats. were hat like things. Yeah Tani's sweatpants head something on the but I don't remember what it said. It was like skunk arming. Fago is that's what it it does. That's what Eleanor said to. Honey's flippant set. I'm not sure we ever saw. She wanted her to change before they went into the chambers to judge's Chambers members only the best idea yet preparing for the so they're just. Oh Jason Moment was Jason coming up to you. The the judges a bar whatever it is and saying let's just go down here and say everything again. Maybe maybe some of us were thinking about skateboards. And what's going on in. Yeah that's that's Jason thing to say and then he had a point at the NY calendars like no. We need to get someone who's just going to be perfect to do the right thing here and make everything happen and you know he's GonNa be perfect and smart and everything else and just like okay. Okay fine I'll do it. Oh Jeez I liked that. When they finally decided that now is the time to revive Chidi that it was not because of eleanor just really wanting him to have his memories back so that they could get on with their live together? It was because they really needed Chidi Mac at that. That was good. She's doing it for a reason. That's not really her own reason. That's not so fish right. Yeah yeah I thought the first time that they had woken Chidi up to hear the verdict but no no they just had him there sleeping and someone was holding his hand I think but he was still sleeping for them. Took over One funny thing I noticed when they were showing the point totals for the people on Earth they had like little descriptions and like Camila and eleanor's mom that they showed and Camilla's was just something about her doing a scholarship but eleanor's mom her second bullet point was works. Women's Health Center has not yet defrauded women's health center. Odd that's progress like Michael says. There's still tomorrow tomorrow. Is One moment where Oh there were. There were a couple of jokes when the humans were trying to convince Jen not to destroy the earth and destroy the universe and something like I think Michael was like I. I was just thinking about making apple's three points instead of two. Okay just goosing it a little bit and to hunt. Yes quake spanks but for your soul the camp. And by cancelling earth. The judge was in a roundabout way rebooting alley mcbeal goal offers end. And then you know Jen. Does this little song as you as we said. I think a couple of times and everybody gets to sing to it and you know even sean is has tapped his fingers out. which is a Weirdo moment? But you know Oh when the good people came in and we're talking with Sean and they're like we're prepared to like a compromise and meet you halfway Shawn's response was just like I did with your mom last night Sean. Anything else. There might have been a couple more jokes a Metro Manila be able to find all right. Now I do remember when Sean was trying to you. Think of a comparable bad person he could interject inject into the experiment that he said on Pudi Pie and also he does know how to pronounce India which was Kinda cute if everybody he knows it was is. That's actually how you pronounce your name. I I thought he might be getting it wrong. Now see your way I think it is is in Diana but I know that I'm wrong. So it's it's hey you up up to do had to say it out loud very often in crippling but probably what they mean by. Learn something from the good place ray right. Rain will the philosophy you know all those philosophers. I already knew all that so day. Didn't know anything else is. I don't think I have anything else. Anything else no. I don't think so. I think we're ready for and another next week. This is just rolling now. There's I think we're done with filler. Released yes thank God if we get to We this is part of the climax. And that's the thing like presumably it will go back down again and go back down to some sort of routine but we just don't know what that is yet. So hopefully. Yeah we'll get get one more big big episode and then and then a new into a new equilibrium will show up. And we'll we'll the deal without we've gotta fill all these episodes and hopefully with something good will in the last ninety minute one as well right so there's GonNa be some big big thing going at the very end that will want to see them already. Yes but overall enjoyed it and I really liked the episode. I would agree with you about some of the weaker points in the episode but I do think it carried things along in a way that again. We haven't necessarily seen a lot in some of the episodes into I definitely enjoyed it more than maybe any other of the season. Maybe two already all right sue. Thanks everybody in your original. Thanks everyone and Sarah have a good evening. You too good night everybody. 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"The elderly at risk and Canada nursing homes have seen shocking number of deaths from covert. Nineteen the minute we dealt with one person's death then there was somebody else down the hall. Who looked like they were really close? I'm Marco Werman. Also today on the world social media is able to blast out information and a pandemic. It's a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that it's easy to spread information quickly and the curses. It's very hard to filter out. What is accurate? And what is what. Not and I'm CICI wiles message for everyone who's meeting neighbors down the bottom of the driveway. Don't she's part advice? Columnist part gentle nudge later a microbiologist in New Zealand for countries go to source on all things corona virus those stories and more today here on the world. We are closing in on three million confirmed cases of the novel. Corona VIRUS WORLDWIDE. And Around. Two hundred thousand fatalities. What started with news? At the beginning of the year of a health crisis developing China grew into a pandemic that touched almost every country on earth. The US has become the hardest hit. Scientists are trying to figure out when the corona virus first appeared in the US. It's possible just possible that the virus was in Las Vegas back in January much earlier than we thought at a huge convention for techies. This is not just the place where the world's best tech it's we're visionary ideas come to life about one hundred. Seventy thousand. People showed up at the consumer electronics. Show better known as CAS some got really sick journalists with APM reports have been looking into whether the corona virus might have been there. Sasha as lenient has our story Michael Weber works for an energy company in Paris he attended. Cas with his boss and remembers. It was jam packed. There's a lot of hand shaking. There's a lot of talking to people. On exchanges cards. There are dinners and breakfasts and meals. It's just a lot of people from different places sharing the same airspace in being very close proximity to each other. A number of those people sharing airspace came from China including more than one hundred from the city of Wuhan where the Krona virus was quickly spreading. Lots of people came from other checkups to like Silicon Valley. Now's our use an entrepreneur from the bay area. The first day he remembers meeting a guy who looked under the weather is like yeah. I probably shouldn't be here. And he was hacking and coughing. While we're talking in. The conference was very loud so we had to kind of get close to hear each other and so it did cross my mind that yeah. This is probably not a great idea. Probably GONNA get sick but it's not a big deal is probably just a cold. A couple days later Yousef was walking through a section of Chinese exhibitors when something caught his attention. There's a lot of people. Coughing here. Yousef wasn't tracking the news out of China but US health authorities were on the second day of CAS the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention alerted healthcare workers to keep an eye out for potential cases of the mysterious virus in the US particularly in patients. Who visited Wuhan and had unexplained severe respiratory symptoms on the last day of the conference? Nasser Yusef thought. He got a bad case of the flu. He was stuck in his Las Vegas Hotel Room for days. One time I remember waking up and feeling like I can't get out of bed like I just can't I can't get my body to to function to get out of this bed. This is a problem as the conference ended. Tens of thousands of people boarded planes home. Michael Weber tweeted that the Las Vegas airport sounded like an infirmary. There were so many people hacking and coughing and sneezing. I put out a tweet thinking okay. We're going to be sick. It turns out that were was right. Dozens of people started tweeting about what some called the CAS flew the complained that it had laid up for days with fever aches and pains and a dry cough. That wouldn't go away by the time. Webber got home to Paris. He was also sick so was his boss. Who'd been at? Cbs with him. We're sick fried five days in my wife and son who lives in Paris they also got sick so whatever we had really knocked US flat. It was a different kind of sickness. Weber couldn't get a covert nineteen test in Paris. Neither Could Nasser. Yussef in California the CDC didn't test the first person in the US until January. Eighteenth more than a week after CAS ended and at first the only people being tested were those who traveled to China. By April the only way for Weber and use of to check if they had Kovic nineteen was through an antibody test which detects whether someone's ever been infected Yousef hasn't gotten his results yet but Weber. Who's living in Texas? Did the results indicate he had covert nineteen. His doctor called him Monday with the news. You said congratulations kinda funny but it does feel like a congratulatory thing. 'cause now offer some peace of mind and lowers my sense of risk for going about society and that kind of thing is it also explains the mystery of this heinous virus. I had in January weather is satisfied does by questions. About the reliability of antibody tests gathering more evidence through testing is key to understanding how the virus has been spreading in the US. And where and when it for set in more testing might also help explain something? That's been a big mystery. Why on Earth is Santa Clara Valley? The hot spot in the bay area. That's Kinda bizarre. Peter Chin Hong is an infectious disease expert at the University of California San Francisco. School of Medicine. You would think it would be San Francisco because it's tons of people going into whatever you know. A lot of Chinese population. Santa Clara County is south of San Francisco includes part of Silicon Valley more than one hundred fifty companies from the county had exhibits at CBS. This week health authorities. There reported that the first death from Kovic nineteen occurred on February sixth that means the virus was likely circulating in the county weeks earlier than previously thought Chin. Hong is intrigued. By the possibility that there's a connection to see us and then now when you save well maybe a bunch of people went to that conference and if it was around the same time then I think that could be ECOLOGICA evidence that there was a link to something there earlier when people wanting paying attention no one can say with certainty if the corona virus was at C. S. and its organizers. Say They haven't been contacted by officials asking whether anyone who attended the conference was exposed to the virus but if one were to dream up an ideal way to hasten the global spread of disease it might look a lot like. Cbs for the world. I'm Sasha's line in our story had reporting from Angelo Caputo and we'll craft. We've all heard the grim reality of cove in Nineteen. How it's especially cruel on older people like people in Nursing Homes? Canada's top public health officials said last week that half of all the cove in nineteen deaths and Canada were in long term care facilities Anita Lashing Toronto reports. Sarah Gardner has seen a lot of people die. She's been a registered nurse for more than thirty years but nothing prepared her for the weekend win. Corona virus started taking the lives of residents at the Pine Crest Nursing. Home in tiny. Bob Cajun Ontario. The resources much confusion there was so much stuff everywhere. It felt like a warzone. By the end of that first weekend ten people were dead and it got worse the minute you know. We dealt with one person's death than there was somebody else down the hall. Who looked like they were really really close and we better get on the phone and make sure that the families aware that this is probably quite imminent and Do we have the right medication? I got a call the DOC and get them some morphine There was just no time. It just kept coming and coming and coming in about two weeks time. Twenty nine residents and one volunteer caregiver were gone. That's nearly half people who lived at Pine Crest because he's just been so much loss and the play everything just feels very different. The cluster of Kovic nineteen deaths at Pine Crest remains one of the biggest outbreaks in Canada. So far it's exposed the star conditions that many nursing home residents and staff live and work in even in the best of times. This is a sector in our Society that has been neglected for years if not decades. Dr Nathan Stall is a Geriatrician at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Toronto. It's sort of a perfect storm for catastrophe. Really Stall says most governments in Canada and around the world were slow to recognize the risks at nursing homes. The focus was on hospital's intensive care beds and equipment shortages but in Canada. Long Term Care facilities for the elderly have been starved of funding basic nursing. Home Care is paid for by each province as the population ages demand for services has increased but the money hasn't physical infrastructure of these homes are outdated there chronically understaffed And the workers who have worked there have traditionally been underpaid employed part time without sick benefits. there is a lack of access to expertise for things like infection control practice. Pine Crest is one of those outdated chronically short staff nursing homes. It has only a few private rooms. Most of the others sleep up to four people. Each Sarah Gardner says that made it impossible to isolate sick patients when the corona virus hit in four bedrooms. If you'd have a sick resident all you really could do is pull the curtain around and try to manage them As best you could in that small very small space and hope not to contaminate the other residents in the room. Things got even more complicated when many staff members got sick to it. Just it's unmanageable manage. Thirty people the majority of whom have cognitive issues rate. When you're under staffed like that how do you make sure they wash their hands? How do you make sure that they're you know they're clean? Canadian officials are promising. Hundreds of millions of dollars for more testing cleaning and staff at nursing homes in Ontario Premier. Doug Ford Temporarily Banned Nursing. Home staff from working in more than one facility reporting an iron ring a production around our seniors especially those in long term care and retirement homes. Canada's government is topping up wages for workers who had to give up multiple part time jobs so they can comply with the new rules. Gardner says she hopes those rules will become permanent. In the meantime residents at Pine Crest Are Mourning. Their housemates but in isolation families are still not allowed to visit. I don't know what the long term effect of that will be for them. I can only hope for the best But as my mother always told me plan for the worst trait so I don't know I don't know of Pine Crest will be okay. I don't know if those residents will be okay. I don't even know if I'll be okay. Hundreds of nurses and personal care workers have contracted the virus and many nursing. Homes are still desperately understaffed. The Canadian government says it's sending in military personnel to help out for the World Anita Alash Toronto. It's become the thing to do. One of the few refreshing parts about living in a pandemic. We're remembering to thank people not just nurses and doctors. Grocery store workers cashiers in drugstores and the folks who deliver our food and packages easily celestial obituary prescription in France Amazon. Put out this commercial thanking its workers and reminding people that there's never been a more important time to send deliveries to those in need. The company also says it will do everything it can to protect its employees from corona virus was security ozone but some in France are not buying the French Union which represents Amazon warehouse workers sued the company arguing. That Amazon workers were not being properly protected. Stefan on Ron is a union spokesman. We had him on the show yesterday. He said Amazon would not budge in negotiations. That you don't want to bug in bits onto research was a and sells. It's what we all do in a French court agreed. That Amazon wasn't doing enough to protect the health of its employees. The court ruled that Amazon could only deliver essential goods in France or risk a steep fine. The company argued that it didn't want to be put in the bind having to sort out what is essential versus non essential so it would shut things in France but was also appealing. The decision today Amazon lost that appeal. The Union celebrated calling it a victory for the health of workers during this outbreak attorney. Jonathan Kado who represents several unions spoke. Today he responded to Amazon's claim that the ruling was ambiguous lousy to what Porsche did she run off. The court couldn't be more clear about the ruling. Today's updated court order limits Amazon deliveries to food. Pet food health and computer items. If the ECOMMERCE giant delivers anything beyond this the fine could be more than one. Hundred Thousand Dollars Amazon. Also put out a written statement today. It said their fulfillment centers in France and around the world are safe and of course. Decision was about advancing. The Union Agenda Amazon statement said even if one tenth of one percent of their shipments are not in compliance. It could cost them more than a billion dollars a week. So we'll be keeping its fulfillment centers in France closed. You're listening to the world. I'm Marco Werman. You're with the world. The Corona virus has pretty much brought air travel to a standstill. As you know so. What happens to all those neatly packaged airline meals? You know the old pasta or chicken decision. Many of those meals are made ahead of time and frozen in Manchester England. There's an organization that's putting them to good use corn bells a director of Open Kitchen Mc are what have you been able to do with these meals corn while we were sent word of a warehouse? Just named strap pulled that had one point one million frozen airplane. Ready meals that we're GONNA go into been so our organization marina profit and what we do is started from going to waste so we just thought well when so many people hungry. We can't let that happen so we got in touch with a logistics company. Who have helped us to get them moved and TCM stored frozen and slowly. But surely we're GONNA get out to vulnerable people in vulnerable families across Manchester so individuals and shelters yeah with support in a range of people at the moment from people who were straight homeless and have now been placed in hotels for the duration of the crisis families in poverty older people. There's a huge range of people who've been really hit by this crisis. So are the airlines donating these meals to you or is this refrigerator warehouse near the airport. That is kind of the Middle Man. It was a bit of a middleman so these particular meals were the property of Thomas Cook Airlines. The company financially has gone on a little while ago so this kind of made me chuckle. These meals literally and figuratively became frozen assets and did and then obviously corona virus hit and all of a sudden those meals on not an asset. That can be sold off there massive liability because they cost money to store every day. And that's why the agency came in. We were told that if we didn't get them shifted pretty quickly. They were all going to end up in a band. So how many meals have you delivered so far on? How long can you keep the project going? we've pretty much completely changed operating model. As a result of the pandemic so full we used to work with a huge range of businesses so saying perfectly edible food that would otherwise go to waste and that we used that food to do meeting in events catering and that full profit works subsidized work that we did in the community supporting people who are in need and then as the corona virus hit every avenue. We had for generating income collapsed. Because you can't run a catering business when people socially isolating but food waste went through the roof and the number of people who needed our help also went through the roof so we have just been cooking meals. Addison's and we started. I think the first week we put about two thousand meals and we're now in week full this week. By the time we get to Sunday we will have put out just over ten thousand meals in one week. We have absolutely no idea what the future looks like. Four rows At the moment we part funded by Manchester City Council. Working really closely with them and we part funded by donations way powered by volunteers. I'm whether or not this is sustainable in any sort of normal world. I don't know the apocalypse happened in. The WORLD IS UPSIDE DOWN. And we're not going to stop cooking while people. Lido's Korean bell the director of open kitchen. Mc are really good to meet you and thank you for the work. You're doing it's scary and destabilizing enough just dealing with this pandemic now consider the women and couples who wanted to have a baby. Thousands of them may lose out on that chance for tippety clinics here in the US have been advised to suspend treatments in the UK. Authorities have gone further all fertility clinics have been ordered to shut their doors. Nobody knows when they might open again from London. The world's ORLA Barry has more ever since the lockdown started. They've been jokes about the baby boom in nine months time but not everyone sees the funny side. It can be difficult. Debate a few posts on social media. That I have had to block because I can't look at this. This is Anita Brine. She's been trying for a baby for almost five years with her partner. Mass in February brine who lives in northeast England started her first treatment for either and she was a ball of emotions. It's quite terrifying. But he's also really exciting and the excitement the tempo of like overgrowth necessarily that. We've waited for for so long now. A lesson again. We could actually have a baby but three days into her treatment. Brian GonNa text message from her clinic saying BIBF had to be stopped and the news. I was devastated. Because this was the first hesitate part of our journey that it was an old. Let's just try you on this drug. Let's just see what happens in a year? This was really positive that something really practical. What's going to happen so I was completely devastated? Brian understands the practicalities behind. The decision and thirty four knows that time is on her side for Shan Brindell. Who's forty the decision to close all fertility clinics and Britain was yet another blow. She's been through two on successful. Ivf Treatments at just started her third cycle when she got the cold. In Britain women can have a number of free. Ivf treatments onto the National Health Service. But your age and where you live can determine whether you're eligible and brindle who lives in the south of England. No Sir options are limited. We don't know how we're GONNA have to wait now and you. We hear all these miracle stories of people conceive in well in their forties. But that's what they are. They are miracles. They don't happen to everybody. Brindell says wanting to start a family has dominated her life with her husband Nick for well over a decade. We naively thought that this would just happen. Now hasn't happened. You evenings are injections your home's not your own. You can't plan any weekend breaks. You can't find any holidays where now that point. We have Paul Life on hold for twelve years for something that might happen thirty two year old. Karston Duncan agrees that wanting a baby can become an all consuming experience. It's an incredibly lonely place to be as a couple kissing. You got friends that are announcing pregnancies left right and center because you're officer in age he just think wise so easy for them and it's not for us. Dunkin who lives in north west England had her treatment postponed last month. She found great support from other women on instagram. But she says many women and men are struggling and it doesn't help that. Some couples are reluctant to talk about their fertility issues. I think there's this kind of British uneasiness talking about something to do with sex and especially if he sex organs. Don't work gosh let's talk about. That means. They must have had sex at some point in their life. And that's just that's too distasteful. I talk about the might be another reason. Couples keep their fertility problems to themselves. Lots of people. It seems like dishing out. Some very unhelpful advice. The so many people that I know will cite. You just need to go on holiday. Get Dog I would say that. The worst thing is when people say just relax. That is just because it's like someone you know. When when you really riled up and someone just says just calm down and you know it's the opposite staying calm while dealing with fertility issues under lockdown his certainly a challenge but Anita O'Brien says she's facing another hurdle. My biggest worry is how it's shock Lago Eight. Pm. Nope she's not joking. The Health Service in Britain only funds your IVF treatment if your body mass index is under a certain number. I'm like most of. Brian is trying to comfort her way. Through the lockdown for Sean brindle the pandemic has been a reminder of just how little control we have over our lives. She says she's leaving up to face to decide whether she'll be a mother someday. And if it's not meant to be that's okay too. We've got a lot of time just as to in on. I only want to kiss him. I don't want anyone else on. I know it sounds tweet but you know I'm really lucky. I I do have the love of my life. Not Everyone hus- up for the world. I'm more Berry in London. News headlines are just around the corner. You're listening to the world. We all need an escape right now. Many have found a place where there's plenty to do and no time pressure to do it in you know if someone says to you go to your happy place. It just feels like you might imagine for a happy place with lovely beaches and sun shining and trees bursting with fruit. You can go there too. We'll tell you how coming up on the world as the corona virus spreads so does misinformation phony science false data unproven medical cures. Here's president trump last night adding to the misinformation disinfectant with Knox about in a minute for one minute and is there a way we can do something like that By injection inside or almost cleaning because you see it gets into the lungs it does a tremendous no bill. It'd be interesting dejected. Medical professionals as well as companies that make those products reacted swiftly warning. People not to ingest disinfectant. Because that could kill you right now. Bad Information isn't just unhelpful. Is potentially lethal. That's why a couple of Harvard students have launched a global effort. To debunk persistent miss. The World Sharon Jafari has more the month of March started off. Pretty normal for me. Nuts dot the twenty four year old. Medical student was going to classes to clinic then. Back to the door covered. Nineteen was sort of on our radar. I'm we're talking about a little bit but you know to be quite honest. It wasn't something that I was extremely concerned about at the beginning. By the second week of March things started to change. Here's where we stand right now. The World Health Organization is officially calling this outbreak. A global pandemic a global pandemic and now the extreme measures in the US large events Friday march thirteenth. We were basically. Everybody was leaving in the sort of panicked chaos. We're trying to move out of our dorm. Goes her stuff together and hit it over to our parents place. They live just outside of Boston. Campus became a ghost town but Seattle and a fellow. Med students stayed in close touch. How could they not be obsessed with the pandemic the biggest medical crisis of our type and as they talked something became more and more obvious. Seattle sets that is so much misinformation about TACONA virus online gargling. Really hot water with salt will kill the bacteria Or Kill the virus near throw before it gets down to your lungs. Your make sure you drink hot. Water with like cinnamon all started like concoctions. I also saw several that. Were you know? Mix Bleach with this and it'll kill the virus and those were personally the ones that concern me. The most because mixing is never a good idea. Social media is a powerful thing. Sarah Huckabee in the medical student at Harvard. Says it's also blessing and curse the blessing that's easier to spread information quickly in the curses. It's very hard to filter out. What is accurate in? What is what is not so. The two students came up with an idea to put simple accurate information about Kobe. Nineteen all social media also be ends yet have roots in the Middle East. North Africa as was born in Jordan and Seattle family is from Algeria so they decided to target communities there as well as South Asia straightforward infographics. They relied on guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization. Basically are infographics. Have information about you. Know what are the main symptoms? And then you know what are things that you can do to protect yourself in those around you and the last panel that we focused on in our infographics. Is You know what to do. If you're experiencing these symptoms with the help of translators around the world created social media posts in twenty different languages so far Arabic Kurdish in two different dialects pasta and even native languages in Libya and Algeria also be says they send them out. What'S UP FACEBOOK? Instagram and twitter. And that's where you could say. The versing side of Social Media Kitson family in France shared them blogger in Turkey with fifteen thousand followers posted them. Local journalists treated them out. It's funny because these intro graphics have circulated in such a way that like my mom just got it in a group shot that she's in October says they're hearing from people all over the world. Thank Linda for debunking misinformation. Saying like this is what my mom needs to see and this is what. I think kind of our goal. I think that's hitting essentially what we had started. Our project hoping to become a source of accurate concise information. Changing the minds of stubborn parents aunties and uncles. Now that's an accomplishment for the world. I'm sure Jeffrey. Who Have you been hanging out with lately? That used to be a casual question. Now it's a loaded one to beat back. The Corona virus were supposed to be hanging out with well. Nobody but that's not how we live so now we deal in bubbles as in. Who's in your bubble Susie? Wiles is a microbiologist who takes science to the masses in New Zealand often through online videos. Unify and welcome to cover chat with me dot. Cu where we talk about the science of covered nineteen and answer we'll questions. Wiles has become a familiar voice in New Zealand media separating fact from fiction and advising Kiwis on best practices during the pandemic Susie wiles. Thanks for being with us Let's start with you. Who's in your bubble right now. It's a very small Bobbitt's just myself and my husband and our teenage daughter right so you think bubbles are pretty important and why though I mean define a bubble and wife think they`re. They're crucial so here in New Zealand. Bubble is your household although we do have a little bit of flexibility so for those who maybe have shared custody of Children. They are allowed to form a bigger bubble. And those who may be. Have you know living on their own? They can sort of former bubble with another person living on their own. But yeah they're they're extremely important. Basically to limit the number of people that we had contact with so that if somebody in that bubble does have the virus that it only spreads to the people in that bubble and nobody else so I want us to listen to just kind of your tone in one of your online advice chat. Sixty seconds with suzy You sound a little bit. Peeved here Hi I'm Susie wiles and I've got a message for everyone who's muting. They neighbors down the bottom of the driveway. Even if you stay tuned needed pot so Suzie I know this habit really bugs. You neighbors meeting at the end of the day for glass of wine in the driveway. Why is it bad? Even if you're six feet apart because that six feet is all about trying to maintain a minimum distance away from people when you are in contact for short period of time so you know we are out of our bubbles here in New Zealand to go to the supermarket or to go for a walk or a cycle and the idea is that yes you will encounter people in those scenarios but you need to stay away from them and you need to keep that contact short. What people are doing here is sort of taking that you know six feet as the limit and saying well that means I can hang out for an hour or to chat with people as long as we stay that far pot and that is really not the point but I think about essential workers people working in hospitals supermarkets. What are they supposed to do? So that's a different thing entirely so the whole point about the rest of us who on in those scenarios so so those of us who are not essential workers and supposed to be in our bubble. The reason we're staying in our bubble is because other people can't and so what's really important for keeping our covered? Nineteen cases down is that everybody follows those rules. So it's you know it's it is impossible for those supermarket workers and everybody to stay sixty pop. What's really important for them is that we minimize the other people. That are doing that. I'm thinking also about families where the parents don't live together and the kids travel between households That's a difficult one. How should parents navigate? We would just say that they would form one big bubble but what becomes more difficult with those even bigger blended families within? You know there is another partner more children. And so what we've been asking. Those Naria is that families just think about how they can minimize the size of the bubble here New Zealand. It's for a relatively short period of time because we acted so fast. Obviously that is much more difficult in other countries that didn't act as fast and so they likely have to be under these conditions for a lot. Longer it's old. Just if there was a case in your bubble how would you minimize? It's spread to fewer people. Well a lot of the world is you know is watching New Zealand really carefully. A New Zealand seems determined not just to contain the corona virus but completely reading the country of it. Do you think that's possible? Absolutely provided we all take seriously and move through the levels slowly because what we've seen in other countries is if you pull off these controls too fast then you still have cases there and then you see the numbers start to rise exponentially gain. What we're doing is trying to move down the levels the state where we may still have some cases but that our contact tracing and isolation will be able to deal with those cases but eventually we should be able to get it to zero. 'cause we'll still be vulnerable because the virus will be around in the world so the long-term question is how do we deal with that? How do we stop the virus? Minimize the virus coming into the country and stop it from taking off again susie. Wiles is a microbiologist and has become a goto voice in New Zealand across all media and what people can do to contain the corona virus. Suzy great to meet you. Thank you for your time. Thank you what you're about to hear something. You may have seen on social media. Someone telling somebody else to speak English disturbing. Are we seeing more of these confrontations these days or are there just more people was smartphones to record them and places to post them online? What we do know is that equating English proficiency with patriotism is almost as old as America itself last year the White House got in on the act with a proposal for a new immigration law. Future immigrants will be required to learn English and to pass a civics exam prior to admission. This is something that is not just playing out in the United States Patrick Cox reports from the Netherlands which has become something of a pioneer in Europe for requiring immigrants to learn the national language. Dutch Husna Boras in her forties the youngest of seven siblings in the one thousand nine hundred seventy S. Her father left Morocco to find work in Europe. He ended up in the Netherlands. And then seventy seven. We all joined him. The Buddha family moved to a Dutch village. They were the only emigrants there. Did you learn Dutch by go to school? And I do remember very vividly the moment that I realized that I had learned very quickly. That was playing with children kindergarten. And I all of a sudden realize you know I speak very quickly. This dutch-speaking Moroccan family. They might have been cooled model immigrants. If the Dutch government had any kind of model in mind they were different from the vast majority of immigrants who moved to big cities. Nothing was done to integrate them in the society. This is Ricky van US immigration law specialist at Red Belt University in the Dutch city of nine Megan. The authorities thought to easily of asking someone to come over to work stay for twenty years ago back when the authorities realize that families from Morocco and elsewhere weren't going back they tried to get them to Lund Dodge and when that only partially worked attitudes hardened from around September eleventh two thousand one a series of anti immigrant political parties started winning seats in elections leader. These days is haired. Builders his what he says about. Moroccan emigrants asking Moroccan. Come in Holland again. Mock all US gun with. There is a lot of Moroccan scum and Holland through makes the streets unsafe. According to builders and his followers to be truly Dutch you need to speak the language. That message has gained popularity. The Dutch government now requires people who won't longtime work permits to take private Dutch classes and puzzle language proficiency exam and if they don't this exam within a certain period of time currently that period of time is for years they are find. This is law professor Ricky Van Earth again. She says the requirements put the Dutch ahead of the game in Europe. I think the Netherlands can be perceived as sort of guiding country than lenses. Very proud to have taken that role. And you see that different. European countries have copied them like model in spite of this. The Dutch government has recognized that it system is broken. Immigrants Don't learn Dutch. The government doesn't offer proper support. And there's no end in sight to right wing politicians calling imigrants scum. The country faces a general election next year and everyone expects immigrants and language to be a major issue. Yang paternoster is a member of parliament representing one of the parties in the ruling coalition. I'm interested in how this is going to play out in an election year. Because it's very easy to say the people who come here we're not gonNA make their lives easier. We're just GONNA make it harder so there is a signal to everyone else. Don't come to the Netherlands. Partners is among those trying to change the system so that immigrants feel incentivized rather than force to learn touch more like the way Moroccan. Kid Husna Boozer learned her dodge back in the nineteen eighty s in a village school. One of the Dutch values used to be or at least. That's something that they were very proud of was the tolerance tolerance of other cultures languages and ideas and that it's nearly lost. Bouza now writes books in Dutch colonial fellow citizens to re discover that tolerance for the world. I'm Patrick Cox Amsterdam. We're all finding ways to cope cooking. Binge-watching I've turned into a magic saw puzzling. And then there's the explosion of video gaming one game in particular. Caught the attention of our tech correspondent. Lydia Mana Leo. It's giving people an escape to try. Things mostly unimaginable in real life. Right as an INTENDO was gearing up to release animal crossing last month John Walker was getting ready to hunker down in his home in Bristol. Southwest England because of the Corona Virus Walker has a wife and a five year. Old was a stressful time. He was planning on getting animal crossing but he writes about video games for a living so when the game did come out he started reading people's reviews and honestly. I just started crying. The reviews were talking about this wonderful safe place of beautiful island way you could create and just have fun in the game you the player or a human living among friendly and really adorable animal neighbors. The objective is to create the island of your dreams and to take care of it. You pull out weeds plant flowers and water them. You can chop trees and get would build buildings including your Dream House which you can decorate any way you like. You can sell things for money in the game or use the resources you collect to build things. Furniture soccer fields playgrounds. If you have friends playing the game you can visit their islands and interact. Go dig up back flowers and just just generally have a sort of this bucolic relaxing time. Where there's plenty to do. There's no pressure to rush with it. In this world there are no lockdowns. No travel restrictions and no rules about what you can and can't do outside things that we used to do in the real war and now we are kind of translating that twenty crossing. Alexandra has Susan Santiago the capital of Chile. He actually played the first version of animal crossing which came out in the early two thousands. He was a young kid at the time. My mom got me animal. Crossing because on Emily's grieving the same in English any new Spanish so animal and she say again with animals. That's cute has loved the game a child and he loves the new version as an adult. His girlfriend who lives with him place to before the corona virus the two of them. We take each other out on dates all the time. Now they plan those outings. Through the game. I basically take a little piece of my Iceland and I create Sweet little spot. I put some sticky tar and a band music playing and basically a picnic basket. This game is also helping keep romance alive for couples who are apart and can't see each other Brianna Euskal Li lives in Florida with her two kids. Her husband is in South Korea. He's in the Air Force. She loves WAKING UP TO GIFTS FROM HIM in the game literally clothing items. I might sound silly. That are in the game that he that I would like so like. I woke up today. There was two things in my mailbox from him and one of them was a skirt. I word I still have it on in the game right now. These types of connections and interactions are healthy distraction for people like NASA last who lives in the Philippines. The situation there has been tense. Officials have threatened to use violence to enforce lockdown orders and to declare martial law. This worry Celeste. So she likes escaping to a virtual world. We'll actually every morning. I meet with my at my friend in their island to get some coffee like she put in starbucks there so we're there every morning and just chat across the South China Sea in neighbouring Hong Kong. The game's being used for escapism and activism. Since the pro democracy movement picked up steam last summer there's been chaos and a major crackdown from China. Ping who wanted us to only use? His first name lives in Hong Kong. He says activists have been using animal crossing to criticize the government. More freely. Griff style has without being a fear. Of what's your experience may get you into trouble just a few days ago. Joshua Wong a high profile activist shared a screen shot of a flag. He made on his island said Free Hong Kong Revolution. Now there are other examples of this too it might explain why. China has reportedly banned sales of the game so there are the animal crossing protests. And then there are. The party's John she'll Ashley Priced Bell. Our elementary school teachers in Melbourne Australia. They were supposed to get married a couple of weeks ago. But then corona virus happened be cancelled in a pretty distraught and very depressed a while but the wedding did go on not in Australia. But on a virtual island animal. Crossing the couple's friends surprised by planning a wedding and the game on the same day. They were supposed to get married. They streamed the whole thing online. You stand up. We'll eventually going to get married on. The beach was like hated on the beach at that when we went the island there little tuxedos and shoes and stuff trying really hot late. Not there was a an arch to walk through as well and everyone was sitting down off. The celebrate had like the hat and like the whole get up. The efficient delivered their message through the chat in the game. Today we had gathered raining. Celebrate the Union. It was a quick ceremony typed in their ideas into the game and they were declared. Mr and Mrs Prodi offered. Some people are using animal crossing for other big life events. Karen Morgan leaves in Glasgow Scotland. This past weekend family member passed away from cove in nineteen. We're not going to be a funeral forgotten. That's that'd be walking on a lot with memorial park on my She says working on a memorial park on her island is helping her cope with the whole thing. If you days ago she wanted an online forum for the game and asked if any players had any gravestones that is an item in the game but not everyone has it said Oh. I love sovereignty but has extra a woman from the. Us message terracing. I have some come to my island. Morgan got one for grandfather and one for her dad who died back in February. She decorated the memorial with flowers and with in game items. That reminded her of her family. She'll do a real memorial when this is all over she says but for now she's okay morning in her own little virtual world for the world. I'm Lydia mainly due. Morgan shared a photo of the memorial garden with us. You can find that on our website the world dot org. Along with a video of the wedding Lydia told us about Inter story speaking of unions cellist. Yo-yo Ma's never been able to get the song by Angeliki Joe. Out of his head since he heard her sing it. A few years ago is called. It's a dirge for the dead. In the West African language. Blue is a word that urges. Calm these days like the rest of us. Yo Yo Ma Mantra leakage. Have some free time. So they recorded this duet remotely far apart. We say blow to all of you wishing you calm as you head into the weekend. The world comes through from the non and Bill Harris Studio at W. H. Stay strong stay safe be healthy. We'll see you back here Monday. Ammiano the world is a CO production of W. G. B. H. Boston the BBC World Service and Pierre Ex.

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