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The First Impeachment Hearings

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The First Impeachment Hearings

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You're listening to Pantsuit Mansu politics the home of Greenville political conversations. Hello everyone is Friday. Look look we promised you five things on election reform stay and then we realized we cannot do five things episode when impeachment hearings have taken place so we will come back to election reform in the main segment on Tuesday's episode but today we are going to discuss the impeachment hearings after doing a little bit of news from the rest of the world and I we have a correction. You all emailed US immediately radiantly and we're like Sarah Armistice Day is from World War One and let me just tell you when we were talking about my brain said Stop Lady its World War One and I just kept going. I just ignored you know have you you love that. Little Blip in your brain. That's like stop. I don't think that's right like every time I saw somebody whose name and I'm like I don't have their name right but my brain told me it's World War One. It's not World War. Two Armistice Day Aka the historical beginning of Veterans Day is the end of conflict in World War One so just want to make that very important correction. Let's start in Australia. Where almost sixty bush fires have been just torturing the country about thirty of those still haven't been contained four people have died hundreds of homes homes have been destroyed millions of dollars in damage? They believe that these were mostly from natural causes. But it's a horrific situation and we know we have quite if you listeners in Australia and just want to say were thinking about you. I saw him taking care of a burned dehydrated. Koala when it was heartbreaking. Just those words in one sentence assists too much for me We also have the effects of climate change in Venice. It is the second worst flooding on record with. Eighty five percent at the city flooded water reaching about six feet in some areas. At least one person has died in there very concerned obviously in Venice about the damage to the historic landmarks like Saint Mark's basilica Venice's mayor estimates. The cost will be in the hundreds of millions of euros to repair the city. And he said said that Vanessa is on its knees and they were really desperate. I think for global attention to how bad it is invest. Before have you ever been to Venice. I have not been to Venice. I have it's it's a truly magical wonderful beautiful space. I spent a week there in college. And it is heartbreaking to look at the devastation and destruction Shen and I thought both of these stories were really important in an illustration of a really great article. That was in the New York Times. It was an opinion anion piece called how scientists got climate change so wrong in just about how they saw it as a distant prospect people. who were you you know honest? It's not like they're these are climate. Change Deniers these are scientists who study the climate but for a lot of reasons sort of the the inherent different logical weaknesses of human beings and scientists sort of desire to be very careful in their conclusions. Nobody anticipated the rapidity at which these massive impacts would arise either sea levels or natural admiral disasters. You know we had a listener reach out and say can you please talk about climate change more. And it's just you know I I responded and said it's so inherent in everything we talk about like it's part of my thought process with immigration obviously with natural disasters with the economy with all these things things but she's right like we really need to make it more explicit and we need to talk and think and focus more on the fact that these effects of climate change are are here. They are intense. They are affecting people's lives. They're affecting every aspect of the way we interact with each other of our global global economy of our governments. And you know we have that how has to always be front of mine. Things are getting increasingly scary in Hong Kong. We have talked about this several times and just want to give you an update that right now. The universities in Hong Kong have been shut down. That's the first time since the protests started that it's it's happened and protesters are barricading inside. Those universities. Their reports that they're making bows and arrows than they are gathering weapons and that China has said to the protesters. You are on the edge of doom which really concerns me because we know from history. How China responds when protesters start to increase the level of violence? I was talking to a friend about this. And how in my view what the protesters are doing shows that the pen is mightier than the sword. That this the ability to shut down Hong Kong's economy which is one of the most profitable cities in the world is probably more powerful than if these protesters had a bunch of guns because we no how China would respond if the protesters had a bunch of guns and I am concerned that the violence ramping up will end very very tragically we. We talked about China in great detail when talking about Tibet and the weavers on Tuesday and I think thank you know we talked about all three of these regions of China together in one conversation but the reality is is that Hong Kong is very very different. They can't just roll up with a police station. Every block in Hong Kong and treat them the same way that they treat other regions of China they have more open open access they have tremendous economic impact. They're highly educated populace as seen here with the the emphasis services on the universities and particularly the young generations of people in Hong Kong and the desperation and the protesters voice where they're basically like we expect to die. But what else is our other option like. What else we don't Wanna live under the oppression of the Chinese government? We don't want to sacrifice the freedoms that we have as we as as we live in Hong Kong and so they're just they feel increasingly desperate and because they do have a lot of power because they're not Tibetan monks because they're not in a far-flung region of China they do. They do have some power and they are and the Chinese government is also so feeling desperate and when you have two parties and desperate corners it is concerning now if it was any other moment went in history we could in theory look to the United States to play some sort of diplomatic attic. Roll here but because we have seen it all authority with regards to this because we only see our interactions with China as transactional in nature. And we've already blown up that relationship with the trade negotiations you know. I'm not really sure who the people of Hong Kong can look to. Europe is too busy Z.. With Ukraine and Iran and Russia. And so you know I feel so sad that there isn't an international national player that can look at these two desperate parties and help them find a way out. It could be that. International Business is the best ways to accomplish that but international business. We've talked about before is so dependent on the Chinese government in so many ways that it's scary when I read these stories. He's just really touches. My heart thinking about the complacency many Americans feel about our domestic politics when you look at people in the street saying I am willing to die rather than live under an oppressive regime and you think about the fact that we really get excited. If we get near fifty percent turnout in an election I I wish wish there was a way to focus more of our attention on stories like this that we cultivate a greater appreciation for our own democracy screwed up as it is sometimes sometimes That it is ours and that we have a lot more power in than we take every day remember last time when we talked about how speaking of elections elections the Democratic primary doesn't need any more candidates you know he wasn't listening to fall. Patrick who's joining the race former governor of Massachusetts. It's another moderate Democrat who sees a path forward After a weekend Joe Biden Bloomberg was testing testing. Those waters seems like he is is not going to pursue that as of now there's already some sort of May two adjacent reporting about his behavior in language in the past and I'm sure he's rightfully regretting inviting the national press to dig into his past because he was considering a a national presidential run. We'll see but I mean I don't know about deval Patrick. I I know just enough about him as the governor of Massachusetts and that he's popular in that he is Definitely a a prominent that member of the sort of upper echelons of the Democratic Party. I think it's awful late in the game. Although I mean we're seeing with mayor pete making up some really big strides in Iowa this late in the game polling at the top of a couple of at one poll in particular in Iowa. So I don't know maybe it's maybe it's just the right time and people are starting to pay attention. An agenda has been laying the groundwork for that search for a long time though. I don't think that's a drop in the bucket for him. They've they've been at this for a while. Develop Patrick was a US assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Division in the Clinton administration so he has some very deep ties in the Democratic Party. He is currently at Bain capital. which you'll probably remember because Mitt Romney was there and he has a lot of support within the Obama donor network? He wouldn't get in this race. I don't think based on the little bit I know about him. If he did not see a path to at least a well-funded run at it right out of the gate and so I think that tells you that people who probably probably were tied to Joe Biden previously are very very nervous. How would like those people to meet me at the Mike on now? How in the past that? A small group of very influential democratic donors have played an outsized role in our primary Ano- that it is tempting for this this group to try to steer the ship. Because right now they don't have a place to go to play an outsized role in the Democratic primary. But friends. It's changed the the world has changed and you don't play Eh. Such a prominent role for a lot of reasons because of the power of the progressive left and in the the Bernie supporters who are never ever never going to give you money or or move over to a moderate Democrats campaign because of the changing media because of the changing changing of Small donors that even not not. Just Bernie donors just any small donors and I just this this desperate grip on how things used to be and this desire to to pull in somebody who will just occupy the field and and make it how it used to be where you you know we have these bundlers and we have these these big donors and they get to push their agenda and their their steering the ship and that's who we need to convince it's just just the time is over friends. It's just not you can wish in one hand. It's not gonNA change anything. Calendars working against Patrick a bit. In addition to it being late in the process. A couple of debates underway. He has missed the filing deadlines in Alabama and Arkansas. Those are the two states Bloomberg smiled and to keep his options open. He said a a little bit more news from the race. Andrew Yang dropping. A million dollars on ads in Iowa and New Hampshire. So don't discount the young gang they are still at it. I really appreciate how Senator Harris has kept education as a focused in this race. I love that. She's talking about a longer school day. I have questions about those proposals and I would love to discuss them. mm-hmm at length some time because I think it's really interesting but we always talk in any election about how education does not get enough play and she is consistently talking talking about doing better by our teachers and students and I really value that in her candidacy. So yesterday was big day. And we're GONNA talk about that after the break we're GonNa talk about the the big impeachment hearing but trump also had a big day big Sur. Big Dan his schedule because he met with Turkish Turkish with Turkey. President Resident Air John in the Oval Office yesterday and it was weird. Aired Orion brought his pan and play. The video depict depicting Kurds as terraced. There are a bunch of Republican senators. There who are pushing him on Turkey's problematic behavior in Syria and then trump is basically. Are you trying to play the role of mediator. Those weird Turkey is trying to purchase a lot of weapons from Russia right now and this meeting was supposed to make progress on that as well as the situation in Syria the reports are not a lot of progress on either one of those things trump like this meeting bisque because he was able to say what a big fan he was aired Awan. Those are his words not mine. The senator has got to be the bad guys. According to a senior administration official. This is gross. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to have aired. One Who again has imprisoned journalist has had had people disappear under his rule Turkey who is starting. This massacre of the Kurds in Syria in the Oval Office against the Backdrop Oven Intelligence Committee hearing about potentially impeachable offenses where the president of Ukraine an ally under attack from Russia. Right now how is practically begging president for an Oval Office meeting and still has not gotten one you know you have this testimony unfolding about the importance to Vladimir Zelinski of that opportunity to sit in the Oval Office with the President would a big message that sends to the world and while that testimony is going on we have the president of Turkey sitting in the Oval Office. I just think it was such a mistake on so many levels and so offensive and this is his second visit member last asked him when his bodyguards beat up protesters in front of their embassy. I do I had forgotten about that. And then one of the podcast. I was listening to point that out. And I'm like Oh my God I forgot about that. Weirdness and the New York Times had a really really great piece of reporting behind trump's dealings with Turkey sons-in-law and power so Turkey's finance. The minister is heir to one son in law and apparently he's made this relationship with jared Kushner because they're you know I think it was easy to say. Oh well they're trying to build trump tower in Turkey. But I think it's more complicated. It's what you see with Saudi Arabia. Why is he having these meetings with dictators like at the cost of his own agenda and his own impact? Like it's costing you. And it's because Jared Kushner is in his ear for for his own reasons reasons because he thinks he's going to cure the Middle East because there's money to be made because I don't know he's friends with the son-in-law and they see themselves as the real power players in this relationship I don't know but like nick that's what that's what happens when you don't have experienced advisers and you're just letting your family members run the show. I don't say this often recently but I do appreciate very much. That Lindsey Graham was in this ram pushing back against air to one according to reports after air to on played that video on his IPAD. Depicting the Kurds as terrorists. Lindsey Graham said something like you want me to go find one of our former allies to say what you've done to them like. He was very harsh. The meeting and I appreciate that he did that. I Bet Lindsey Graham has some really really strong feelings about Jared Kushner. Could I stand to listen to Lindsey Graham for more than forty minutes or so at a time. I would love to sit down and talk about that I still have I still in Sore from from that piece of the daily about Lindsey Graham's friendship with John McCain and how transactional that appears to be grand describes it. Today just hurts my feelings. I don't have any nuance about that. I Apologize Okay. Well let's turn our attention to the impeachment hearings after a quick break whether style is more mid century modern modern Boho or. You're not sure your furniture should suit your needs while also feeling uniquely you with joy. Bird your personal one kind style can match your furniture need a sofa and and a golden hue or a love seat in the hottest red and inviting baby blue or even a plush green velvet joy birds got your back joy bird even offers a range of kid and in pet friendly upholstery options so that your creations can stand the test of time plus. 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We had the first day of public testimony in the impeachment inquiry Wednesday in the House of Representatives. Was a big today. It was a long day. The two featured witnesses were ambassador. Bill Taylor and George Kent from the State Department. We had add one sort of revelatory moment where we learned something we had not yet known from the both ambassador. Taylor's opening opening statement and the release of the transcript of his private testimony. Wish was that his staff witnessed a phone call between clean president trump and e you ambassador sunlen president trump was disallowed. They could hear him they. I heard him talk about investigations and win ambassador. Sunlen hung up the staff member said does he really care about Ukraine and ambassadors Assan. Lind's response was basically no he just cares about investigating and getting the Biden's so it's nice to have that that whole state of mind. They've the Republicans. Have Vince obsessed with out in the open. In addition to the substance of that call the fact of the call is troubling Washington. Post quotes. Larry Phifer who has has been a senior director for the situation. Ram and former chief of staff to the CIA director as saying the security ramifications are insane using an open cell phone to communicate with the president of the United States in a country. That is so wired with Russian intelligence you can almost take it to the bank that the Russians were listening in on the call. Yeah that's what I said that said I told you I'm like that phone. Call was a revelation us. I'm sure Vladimir Putin ardy know about it the total and complete disregard for security measures answers when discussing matters of incredible importance to our national security. I mean I'm I'm laughing because I'm really. I'm not sure what else we can do. It's also very weird for an ambassador to just have that right line. Yeah the president. Best Taylor testified that he has never spoken to President President trump and he was in a very sensitive situation as well. Well can I say something. Really snarky and cynical. He paid a lot of money for that access. I mean He. He donated a million dollars to the inauguration. And that's how he got to be ambassador with absolutely no experience and so I'm not surprised that the big donor with no experience has the cell phone phone number and the decades long foreign civil servant who has served our country under many administrations did not have that level of access. I don't know that that's cynical and snarky as much as just the fact. I mean no one talks about Gordon Simon as anything other than a longtime Republican donor who gave a million dollars to the trump inauguration. Well hold on. They do talk about him. As leading our foreign policy the shadow foreign policy with regard the crank which they talked about a lot in the testimony which is also brought. Well we will hear from Gordon's online next Wednesday. I am very very much looking forward to his testimony. The testimony from Ambassador Taylor and Deputy Secretary Kent was hard for me to watch and listen to without thinking about how it was being heard in Moscow also in Paris and Berlin and Warsaw and Riyadh and Beijing Mhm. That hearing yesterday was a really important demonstration to the world of what America is about right now and it's is just so mind bendy that we're having this hearing that is really about our own commitment to the rule of law in the context of constantly analyzing leising and discussing Ukraine's commitment to the rule of law. Yeah and I mean I think I don't remember if I read this in there in the reporting on their private testimonies or if they said set it in the testimony yesterday all-star sort of running together. But I think it was. George Kent who said Look. The rule of law is based on that the judiciary is making independent decisions. Not being pushed into investigations for political purposes. And that's what he was recommending this country to do this country that we're trying trying to help rid themselves of political influence at every level that we're trying to help establish the standard we set for the world which which is that. There are foreign policy decisions that are not driven by partisan political interest and just the complete disregard for that the argument that we do it all the time. What's the big no we don't? I think some of the best questioning was when people I think. One of the the Council for the Democrats assets at one point and I think another representative acid at this point which is have you ever seen a president do this before and your decades of experience. Have you ever seen a president. Isn't push their personal political interest in direct conflict to the foreign policy of the United States. And the answer was no I have not. What's that also liked? It and I don't remember who asked George Kansas who basically was like. Hey George Kent. You're an expert in the rule of law so we're really concerned with corruption in Ukraine. What would we do to help? Establish this rule of law and rid ourselves of this corruption. We're so concerned with would. Would this be where we would start would would be investigating. Joe Biden in Georgia was like Nah with his amazingly expressive face. They had the whole time. We should tell you if you weren't able to watch the hearing that both ambassador Taylor and W secretary can't were phenomenal. Witnesses straightforward in command of the facts at a very high level of detail unflappable When they were treated poorly I thought by Devon Nunez just for example and Jim Jordan as the second example? Oh I thought both just picking names at random. I thought both Nunez and Jordan treated these witnesses in a way. That was disgraceful. Giving how the witnesses conducted themselves but they did not not bat an eye about it they consistently said you know we are here to be fact witnesses. We are not here to advocate for any particular outcome at one point. George can't look right at Jim Jordan. I think and said my job is to be a fact witness. You're constitutional responsibility is to decide. Decide what to do after hearing my testimony beautiful and then he took a drink from his now gene bottle and he probably raised one eyebrow just a little bit less than we liked. It can't if you're not picking up on what we're ORLEAN down here. We both have a lot of affection for Georgia. I mean the man referred to maps who compared a landmass in Ukraine to a US state. And he talked I. I was like in my next life. I'm married George Ken. Who's it really was? They were so good they were just very focused hissed and very good in the face of confusing questioning questioning that like statements that ran into questions that ran into statements. It's being like I. was there a question that sounded like an observation. You want me to agree with and I'm not GonNa do that. And very fair about the facts that are favorable to the trump trump administration. They were very honest about how this administration has done a lot for Ukraine and they appreciate it and they want that to continue coming. You know they appreciate this administration. Senan defensive weapons they were they were honest and open about the problematic issues with ferry's MMA Holdings and why that investigation was important accountant. You know it's not that there's nothing there. It's just that it's not the story. The president and Rudy Giuliani. Want the world to believe but they but they explain why America has an the interest in businesses behaving and corrupt ways in Ukraine. In a way that was a really good lesson for everyone. It was a good history lesson. It was a good geography lesson and it was a good understanding. Why are dollars? Spent overseas are are well deployed We should say that the structure sure of this hearing was very different than what we've experienced with Muller with Colin with Lewandowski's which was instead of this Staccato auto five minutes five minutes five minutes and you're having to track the narrative that each side is pushing. This was opening statements from Adam Schiff if and Devon Nunez than we had opening statements from ambassador. Taylor and George Kent and then both the majority of minority parties had council at the diocese ladies who got forty five minutes to question the witnesses and I thought that was such a better approach. It was easier to follow. It was More clear it just it was A. I'm so glad they changed the structure and I thought it was really helpful. I to Peace apart really. What are we getting at? I thought they got some really good answers from both witnesses in. You could really see like what are we talking about out here. Although I honestly I thought their opening statements were so so good and long was be honest. They were pretty long opening statements laying out that history and geography and the importance of Standing by Ukraine and and all of that was really great. If you watch the first hour and a half of the hearing you've got it. Yeah you know facts are you. Don't need to spend spend time with the rest of it but but it is very much worth watching that first hour and a half. I also think that having council engage in that questioning versus the members just made it overall more professional. Even Steve Casters questions. You caster works Jim Jordan. He represented the minority on the committee in the questioning. It was much much more professional than when it turned over to the members who were trying to get a clip that would be played on their news station of choice. I had some criticism even for some of the Democratic Democrat members. And they're questioning. I did not like that representative. Castro for example kept trying to get them to save at Zielinski was desperate. He used the word desperate like fifteen times. I'm not sure that that's the number. It's what it seemed like to me driving in my car listening to it and I thought do you think the president's Alinsky is not watching this bill Taylor is going to get on an airplane and go back to Ukraine and his post at our embassy and can needs to have a relationship here. These guys are they. They work in in positions that are all about subtlety and about signaling and what a particular moment right might represent across the world we should not be discussing presidents Alinsky. Who We've been trying to build up as this reformer who we've been trying to give leverage to as he negotiates with Russia as desperate? I just thought that was in such bad taste. Well you also. There's some mental gymnastics. There isn't it so bad. That president trump exploited presidents excellent ski. Because he's in such a delicate position that we really don't WANNA point out to Russia and the rest of the world. Now can you point out in explicit detail. The delicate positions Alinsky is into us into the rest of the world. Like come on. I do like that. That's that's some mental gymnastics. You're doing there that you should promptly stop. He also kept trying to get them to say Whether attempted bribery was a a crime. It's just they're not there to make the judgment call. y'All they're there just to tell you what they saw and heard and it's not a good approach to try to get them to make take these these conclusions about the facts. It was the same when the when Castro the council for the Republicans kept trying to get them. I'm to basically sale these things about Hunter Biden. We know y'all want hunter by testify. But he's not as of now so stop trying to get George Kent to be a stand in for Hunter Biden. It's weird cut out. It's also distracting and it just shows how hard it is to make any of this super partisan Up until the point when Jim Jordan started laying into the witnesses the hearing really had not been about president trump as much as it had been about. What's important in Ukraine? Why all this matters? And how the administration's decision making was unfolding and you would think that Republicans would be pleased eased with that because there's some complexity about it. It doesn't make this the president the center of the narrative and so the direction that Jim Jordan took the questioning in then was is. This is all really about one person who neither of you have ever met. Neither of you've ever met President trump. It's about this one phone. Call that neither of you were on right and it and it brought the president back to. It's like it's not about him but it is about him. There is no coherent defense. Here I think in part because is the facts just won't allow it but also because this was a really consequential discussion about America's foreign policy the whole point is the president can't use America's foreign policy for his own benefit because it matters too much too many people while and they opened up the line of attack of. Yeah we would love the people who were there firsthand but the White House won't let them testify so please don't act as if we have not asked these people to come come and tell us what they witnessed firsthand. Also I think the the emphasis on sort of you aren't there. You didn't know I know is it. It's just distracting. Is just trying to like you. Say Take this sort of bigger discussion and it's shrink it down onto a straw man they can knock over. I mean that's what they were trying to do. And it ignores the reality of working in diplomacy where this conversation was related to me by so oh and so is the way stuff happens is the way it gets done it is important it is it is the business of diplomacy. I mean I thought part of the problem for Steve. Leave caster the Republican lawyer as he was asking questions with Pat. He asked questions that made it sound like he didn't understand the process at all at one point he was like. Can you explain that you weren't on this phone call and George Catlin's Ford and it was like we would never be on that phone call. That's the National Security Council. That's something different than what we are. Blessings I wish he'd said that I wish she'd been like blessings. Was your heart rate that I think a lifetime of did not explicitly say that well so so this was a lot. This was several hours. And we're not done. We still have a Marie Ivanovich. Who is testifying as this episode comes out on Friday? We have another week. Another offer Thanksgiving but I don't think they're going to be through the witnesses. By the time they take off for Thanksgiving there are quite a few witnesses lined up. I would like to make a couple of suggestions. If I might the first suggestion it would be really helpful to keep these hearings to about three hours. If you really want Americans to watch and Americans should be watching they need to condense these things things and they absolutely can especially when you have professional council involved you get through what needs to be said in a limited window of time. The rest of it is just noise. I also would just like to humbly ask that. They engage some lawyers that are not white men It really troubled me to not see any diversity in the first two hours of these hearings now. Sarah pointed out lawyers did a good job. There are literally thousands of lawyers. Who could do a good job in that setting though and just contrast and some interaction feeling like this is about for me? It was almost like we really care about diversity until it gets serious and then we're going to bring in you know what we've known and done forever and I just would like to see some different voices in these hearings as they go forward some better representation. They could bring Valdemar up in the lineup. She has always as a really good job and she's always police are freshman. Yeah well so those are our our our main takeaways away from the hearings there will be many many more. I mean we're like saying like yeah. We're GONNA election reform. I think we should probably be a little honest. This whole that loosely. We will be back. 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Pantsuit Civics with Ben Sheehan and Pantsuit Politics

"Welcome to episode thirty four of how we win all over the country people are staying home staying safe and still doing extraordinary things. We're giving you the tools that you need to make a difference right now right from your living room or your bedroom wherever you are. The Best Antidote to anxiety is action. And we'll get through this by taking action together today. We're looking inside the constitution with actor and author of the new book. Omg WT after the constitution. Actually say Benxi and but before we do that. Our show is infused with a grace filled conversation with Sarah Stewart Holland and best silvers. The host of the wonderful pantsuit politics podcast. I'm Steve Pearson and Mariah Craven and this is how we went. Sarah Beth is so great to have you joining us for this. Thank you so much us First of all. How are you both doing during the pandemic? How your family's Sarah you WanNa Start Yeah We're doing really good. My kids are really good ages for this like they're not teenagers. They're not desperate to be out of the house. They're not babies and toddlers. They're not totally dependent So they're at a really good age. It's been fun to sort of be at home with them and learn alongside them when it's not incredibly frustrating. It's one or the other. It's either a delight or a trauma. Just the only options. And so it's been nice to be with my family and we've had beautiful spring weather in Kentucky which is also helped and we are healthy. Which is the most important thing? So no major complaints here. That's good what about you? Beth do you have a lot of major complaints to Offset Sarah Sunshine? We'll now it would just sound spoiled when and if I had some complaints now I would be in the space of profound gratitude. My a miniature schnauzer thinks that this is the best thing that's ever happened to her. She has all her people around all the time. There's always a lap available so she's living her best life. My kids are about the same age as I have two girls four and nine and they are pretty content just hanging with us. They do begin talking the moment they wake up and they don't stop talking until they go to bed And I am quite the introverts in my ears are a little tired but other than that. I am very grateful. We have everything we need. Were healthy we've had some nice weather so Staying at home is if that is the sacrifice that our generation is ask. We can handle it right like hang out on the couch. That's your your civic duty right now so we wanna talk about the week that was with you guys and I sect. What's been going on in your Your outlook on it all but first before we do that. You all been rocking pantsuit politics podcasts. Since Two Thousand Fifteen. How did you get your start? How'd you guys meet and decide to do this? We went to college together at Transylvania University in Lexington Kentucky. We were Sorority Sisters. Which is just kind of a funny part of the story especially for people who only after college But TRANSYLVANIA was a school that was eighty percent Greek when we were there so we both ended up in in one chapter together. It was kind of like there were four sororities at transient and it was like the Harry Potter sorting hat. He's very obvious where you belonged. And so we were both five us. We had a good college experience. Mesa. Grill indoors yes. That's pretty much. What happened I think everyone would agree? Find US griffin door so we both got there. We had really different experiences because as will become clear as we talk more we have very different personalities so we were kind of on parallel tracks in college. We knew each other. We cared about each other but we were not the best of friends. We went off to law school. I stayed in Kentucky for Law School. Sara went to Washington DC. Sarah went into politics immediately out of law school. I did the private firm thing and then we reconnected on facebook because facebook is not all bad. Do you want to pick it up there Sara? Yes so fast forward. My husband would not stop harassing me. About starting a podcast. You just start podcast interesting. I was at the time. A Mommy Blogger. And he was just insistent. That podcast was the future and I needed star podcast and so I thought at first that I would do like an interview show with all the women I knew from politics but I did want it kind of sat there. I really like answering questions. Not asking them the truth and so I was still the blog at the time. Beth was on maternity leave with her second daughter in reached out and said would you ever be interested in a guest post and I said absolutely. That's just less content. I have to create and so she Wrote a couple of blog posts. One called nuance which was incredibly. Well received among my audience that was just basically like hey we don't. We don't have to stake these black and white claims over every social media controversy and then decide like we know every single thing about that person based on how they feel about the lion. People are complicated and so I thought oh well maybe this could be a good podcast and I said Hey. Would you ever want to do a podcast? And she said what's a podcast and I said don't worry I've got that perfect it out and so we decided to just start talking. We thought I we would just do Kentucky politics but got a national audience pretty quickly and and you know it went from a hobby that we would do in our late late at night after our babies were asleep to really just a mission. Not really quickly. That's an in the sort of timing of the Internet. It's not like we were overnight viral successes but I think quickly in the grand scheme of life for sure so he said in two thousand fifteen. Let's talk about politics with grace and then down the escalator donald trump as to spend a wild ride. Ever since that's that's must have been so challenging like okay so we're going to approach this with you know grace and listening and knowing that we don't know everything and incomes. Donald Trump is. It just seems like you're biting your tongue off during every single episode since then. It certainly feels like that. Yes well I think the hardest part for me has been. We started off saying look. We're bipartisan you. Know because I was a republican until last year and seeing the Party so transformed immediately just as I was publicly putting myself out there as like a version of the Republican Party that could be really collaborative with Democrats. It just all has kind of blown up in my face And so trying to figure out how to talk to the audience about that how to process it myself has been the most challenging part for me and so what was it for you. What did it mean to No longer be a Republican. The label started worrying me as we began to travel more and I realized that there was just not any space to be a republican but dissociate from trumpism because it was so much just eclipsing everything else in the party and I kept telling myself well. The most important reason that you register with a party is your state and local races. Right Kentucky's a closed primary state. I wanted to vote in primaries in this tip of Kentucky that is very read right outside of Cincinnati Ohio so I told myself I wanNA build these primaries. I'm just going to keep my registration and try to be an advocate for a better version of this party but then when I started looking at my local races and seeing that there weren't Republicans on the ballot who were doing something different than trump. It's not like I could vote for the non trump option That's when I decided that just enough you know and the National Party was doing things that were so embarassing. Trump was being trump every day and so I thought there has to be room for game elsewhere and still and still away for me to participate in primaries and and do the work I wanted to do and I saw in candidates like amy McGrath. Who is running against Mitch? Mcconnell now Something that feels much closer to my own. Politics may have some differences here and there but the spirit of it being inclusive respecting people's individual life choices and circumstances and identities Having a relationship with business that makes sense. It is a much better fit for me at this moment in our history. And it's it's weird but I hope that it's Walking mytalk because I've said to people the labels shouldn't matter so much so the label should matter so much from either. Well yeah I mean I grew up in DC in a political family. And I remember a time when we used to be able to really disagree on some you know Policies but have civil conversations about where we wanted to go as a country. And and you know I've just seen that completely erode as well Before trump obviously trump was able to come into office by the current GOP. But certainly. Now it's it's just tough that I my heart goes out for you know. My my father is a democrat. He worked for the Johnson Administration. But he's from Oklahoma and all of his friends are Republicans and a lot of people that I grew up with. They're all Republicans and I have just an immense deal of respect for these people and I feel bad that their Their party is no longer in existence. Really so any who. Let's talk about what's been going on this week. I WanNa hear what has stood out to you too and Mariah first of all happy Earth Day. It's a fiftieth anniversary of earth. Day and the earth seems to really like what's happening right now with this all staying at home right. I'm really excited about our because I realized recently when I was talking to my middle son. Who's eight years old that you know? He still thinks about and has had climate change and global warming defined for him as not littering And I feel like you know this time at home with them and home. Schooling is a real opportunity to talk with him in a more in depth way than we usually get to do about climate change about the Earth about our responsibilities towards the earth. I have like sued many activities planned day and I'm really excited about that opportunity because I realize like oh man. He is still getting that message. That I think has has been the one we syndicates for. So long which is just don't litter Just don't make a bad choice as opposed to Try to make good choices as well. We have a long conversation about that here today. my daughter's you know pop in. Sarah and I are recording things and I was working on some research about the Migratory Bird Treaty. Act And I could tell that my older daughter Jane was really interested in it and she wanted to understand more about this. This idea exactly what Sarah was talking about like if I intend to hurt a bird verses people who don't intend to hurt birds but they take actions that are careless or cheap And with total disregard for birds kill millions of birds instead of the one that the person with bad intention might kill so we did a little experiment this morning that stimulate but simulated an oil spill in a nine by thirteen cake pan with olive oil and water and seeing their faces. Like get okay. Nobody meant to spill the oil. But look what happens. Look how hard it is to clean up. Look how dirty your pick me. Pop got you know when it got some of this oil on it and how hard we had to work to clean it up. Now let's imagine that's ocean life. I really sunk in with them and I thought this is. This is probably the best way we could be using this time that we have right now. That sounds like a really cool experiment and I think a lot of teachers are going to have some interesting conversations with resumes for for people as their students come back having having gotten a little homeschooling Can you tell us what the migratory bird actus since you mentioned it? Yeah it's a very old law that we entered into with Canada. Initially because the snowy egret was becoming extinct from hunting and so the law went into effect to protect several species of birds the Audubon society was very instrumental in getting the law passed and then an evolving. The law to include lots more species has been really successful There are pretty stiff penalties in place for companies that violate best practices. Because you know when the law went into effect it really was about hunting but now the risk to birds are oil. Their power lines All kinds of legal activity that if done carelessly is very dangerous for bird populations and the trump administration has written a rule. That's gone through notice and comment period that they say clarifies the law. And now they're clarification. Is that if the bird is incidentally taken. That's the terminology. You didn't mean to kill the birds you just did. In the course of otherwise legal activity you can't be fined under the Migratory Bird Treaty. Act Anymore and that's just disastrous. Because as my nine year old understands killing one bird intentionally does not have the kind of impact that killing two hundred thousand birds unintentionally has. What's not trump to the standard of understanding? That has okay. So it's just. It's it's one rollback in a series of rollbacks. Obviously that's really dangerous and that can't get a lot of oxygen in the midst of Corona virus election season and everything else that's going on but it's very consequential. Thanks for that breakdown. That was really helpful. And it's a it's a good reminder that Earth Day or a good reminder that one of the down. Many many downsides of this administration is that they have actively rolled back so many regulations and laws that were intended to to protect the environment. The air the water. Yeah But they seem hell bent on on and let us drawing those and as you know to pull out old school lake off. Let's call them protections and not regulations to because we all can agree no matter what our political leanings that we want clean air for our kids to breathe and clean water to drink. You know so. These are protections to ensure the health of our families not as Republican talking points like to put it. You know business killing regulations so just saying it's also helpful to remember that like president. Nixon signed into law like a lot of the laws that the trump administration and Republicans have such an issue with now where where enacted under a Republican president. It's maddening maddening is the right word. Yeah well what else is going on that? We may have missed or what. What do you want to talk about from the last week? That's really stuck out. I think one thing I've really been thinking about is the oil futures market which is not a sentence. I have ever said before but you know doing research for our newspaper this morning. I read a really great article in the New York Times that said. Hey you know I know. We're all obsessed with the shortages in a medical equipment and it's really important but what's happening in. The oil market is most likely some of the the the more common economic impact. Which is we're just going to have more demand than supply or more supply than demand A lot of things. Not just with oil Because the economy has shut down We really probably need to start thinking about the The inflation and the impact of that when when we start opening our economy back up that we're going to have lots and lots of things not just oil that we have way more than we usually do. Yeah in your podcast. That just dropped today. I think it was as we're recording on Tuesday You talk a lot about that. Like what it's GonNa look like to come back to our new normal to get people back to work and stuff. I thought it was a really great exploration of that. Because we don't really know what it's GonNa look like. But what are some top lines for that because a sure we all have thoughts there well kind of guiding light that I've been operating under is just remembering. This is a really rare opportunity to pause and think. How do we WANNA build this back instead of? Let's rush to do everything exactly as we had it. It's kind of like a because I have small children. I think of it as like. We built a tower with blocks and fell down. All the blocks are here on the table. We don't have to build the same tower again so a lot of things that I think haven't been working particularly well can be addressed as we start to phase in a new economy and I think this is why the work that y'all doing swing left is so critically important because it has become really painfully clear. What the priorities of Republicans are in drafting legislation like the cares act and looking at re authorizations and adding additional funds and I think right now putting money into our healthcare systems putting money into testing capacity is essential to business as putting more money into the paycheck protection program. I support that too. But if we don't have the testing capacity doesn't matter what else is happening in the economy So those priorities matter a lot I also just think we could be using the paycheck protection program and others like it to do some of the work that would be more restorative for our economy like prioritizing women and minority owned businesses As those funds are received businesses that have historically struggled with access to capital. I think should be front of the line As the government makes these investments to try to get people on their feet again. Yeah I think this is a really It's so hard to know the tone to take with all of this Because so many people are devitt like having devastating Ron virus experiences but this is an opportunity to look at our country and see very starkly. Like where we've where we've really let a lot of groups of people down and how that has deadly consequences when global pandemics which will given the way that our world is will probably be more prevalent moving forward but healthcare is the prime example. People being forced to live paycheck to paycheck so that when they miss one paycheck their entire lives fall. Apart is the other thing. And then we're seeing how or access to healthcare and you know crappy environments have made black and Latino communities incredibly vulnerable to this to this virus So if we make these laws and only use them to to rescue big business and to keep people. You know still living check to check. It's a real missed opportunity for our country to to really improve now. I think that you know one thing we've been talking about a lot is that corona virus has just accelerated the path of change. And what that's done has revealed exactly what you're talking about. Which is all the structural inequalities the gaps in our social safety net the institutions that are struggling under the weight of change. And you know it's not that it's revealing that we didn't know it Any of these problems existed that but it's just We keep using the word Like clarifying like like boiling it down to its essence. Just much quicker. I think then We're used to seeing you know and I thought that Andrew Yang's campaign accelerated you be I and the idea of universal basic income quickly while man did we do. We go even faster In the face of Corona virus in the I did the government should just hand out checks. I think there there are so many areas that will be. We'll see this impact. We'll see that as well. Everything gets faster and things get more intense and things. Start to crack under the pressure There'll be lots of areas that were having these conversations around and I just conversations But actual action and change well speaking of action and change. Let's We always talk about reasons for hope. So let's go around the virtual table and and share reason for hope Who WANTS TO GO? I know one okay. Well that's fine. I feel really hopeful as I look at how people are engaging even through the ugliness of the fight that we have about the economy right now. I see more people pushing back on facebook against bad information That I've ever seen and people who are typically not politically active. I see standing up to say no. This virus is really. Don't you're talking about my friends and nurse you know. People's willingness to share their personal stories. Which is the only way to bring in someone to political participation? Who hasn't been there before right. There has to be that sort of Hook of look at how this directly impacts your life and I think for I hate the situation wherein I wish we were not here. I never WANNA sound like Sally Silver Lining. I totally agree Mariah. It's so hard to know what tone to take but as as we think about what makes me feel hopeful. It is seeing people who I think will come into the political process in a big way who've been missing from it for a long time and will come in with a lot of passion about what their priorities are and it's really great point about the personal stories too because that is how we connect with each other certainly how we connect with Voters and volunteers to bring them into the organizing that we do. And and you're right. I'm hearing a lot of people sharing their experience with this and making it really. Poignant in real so Thank you Sally Silver Lining. That's so cute. Never heard that before. What about you Sarah? I think that in the way current virus can reveal structural problems. It can also reveal spiritual deficits and having the time even in the middle of a crisis. Well especially in the middle of a crisis. Because you know just because we don't have a good language in America for the power that suffering can bring As far as growth and insight and self awareness doesn't mean that we don't experience that and so many people are experiencing that They're seeing because time has slowed down and the world has sort of stopped in a lot of traditional ways and because crisis always sort of give us that moment to to reflect and think and take a breath even if it is a bit ragged and you know. I know that sounds you know to start talking about the. The power of suffering is a weird place to talk about hope but I just think they live hand in hand and I think that lots of people in their individual lives are seeing things for the first time Struggling through thanks for the first time and Preparing to make major changes in to see that In the course of the every day that they were too tired or too busy or too overwhelmed to see what was missing or what they wanted. More of and I'm really hopeful that people will come out of this experience With those lessons and with those insights and ready to make changes nice well sad What gives me hope. Today is actually something that I heard on pantsuit politics. Which which is this idea. And I believe that if I if I recall correctly you all were talking about the protests and this idea that with our citizenship becomes a lot of freedom and so many rights but also a responsibility to each other to do what we can to keep each other save and when I see the protests. I see that people are saying you know. Open things back up now. You know I see people who are scared and frustrated this is truly a sign of the country that we live in that you go out and protest during a stay at home order and nobody arrests you or anything like that So you know. Let's have some perspective But I see people. Who are you know? Really frightened about their their bottom lines which an get so many so many people are but you have to remember in even in that fear to to take care of each other here in California. We had a protester in like a full has met suit so some real caution and mixed messages happening there. Mis Mixed Message. Yeah hopefully they'll they'll start staying at home but you know if fear understandable but let's have some perspective and And treat each other as well as we can these days. Yeah Great Advice. I mean to say really quick about the protest. Even though we're in our reason for hope thing it makes me crazy that the media is so obsessed with these small protests when for better part of three years we've had hundreds of amazing protests and rallies events with thousands and thousands of activists on all kinds of really important issues that don't get covered by the media so any who That's a whole topic. We could get into another time but Well but that segues into my reason for hope actually which is that even during this time that is so tenuous and uncertain and were all affected by it in different ways. Activists are really staying. Active and in our circles are organizing community. We have seen people who don't WanNa get complacent they understand what the stakes are even starker. Now be you know what what Besser Mariah all just said you know. We're we're looking at things through a new scope and we see how important it is to do things. I protect our healthcare intellect. People who are going to have a response to this like you know. Brian Kemp in Georgia's opening up Tattoo parlors and massage parlours sounds great. Moghul get a massage and a tattoo Georgia but We were thousands just a mere thousands of suppressed disenfranchised votes away from having a different governor. Stacey Abrams there so you know. These elections have major consequences. And I'm seeing this community of volunteers who don't want to stop. There was a big day of action here in California Making phone calls Virtual Day Day of action thank you four congressional race. Nca Twenty five people making phone calls. It was awesome. We had about five hundred people signed up for it. So that's really exciting and We meet people where they are. Everyone is getting through this the best that they can. So if you're listening to this and like I'm just not ready to do something that's totally fine too. You know just navigating this this Reality that we're in and doing it with your family and friends is is step number one. But there's a lot of great stuff to do and that takes us to our to do list Mariah. What do we do what was it? Thursday Tomba are lettering party. It was awesome. We did a virtual letter writing party With swing laughed folks from all over the country. Got On zoom wrote letters while Stephen I- chattered away and questions and got some really great future guest ideas so that was awesome. Sound Fun Seren Beth. Yes it does yes. I think that's amazing. I wanted to add on to what you were saying about your activists and in relation to your letter party and to to to lists in general. I'm a great conversation with an activist on aboard at where she was saying She noticed on her on there. I think it was their local Party. Facebook page if she shared like really action oriented This is where you can donate money or positive news articles or shared what they were doing. What the local party was donating money to or what they what action they were taking. They got so much better engagement. I mean I think if you're an activist and if you're looking to make an impact This is a really important moment because people are watching to see what groups what organizations what brands whatever are out there trying to make change and create positively and that will leave an impact for a very long time great tip for all the people who are pivoting to online activities out there so thank you for that sheer positive posts. Yeah so Well so are every week. We do a to do list for people as you just said to give them specific actions to take and that's the whole point of our show so We are going to encourage everyone to write letters to voters. Because it's really fun and easy you can do it from your living room. You can go to swing left dot org slash letters as always. We'll have that Lincoln on our page and right from home or you can use the action finder on swing left and find some events near you and I have some exciting news here. We're breaking our new besties Sarah in Beth from your favorite pantsuit politics. Podcast are going to join us for a letter writing party. So that's going to be Sunday may twenty fourth. We'll have the link on our page Also happens to be my birthday just saying I'll have like hey frio everyone will eat their own little mini kicks on the zoom. I didn't say many. I'll have a gay created so Sarah Beth. Thank you for joining us for that party. That's going to be really really fun. Thank you yeah. I can't wait also to do this week. Make sure that you subscribe to to podcast this week. Pantsuit politics and how we win and you're already subscribed ask a friend. Those are two things to do agree but really two things to do. That's that's totally doable. Beth and Sarah. I guess we will Talk to you again soon. Enough on May twenty fourth if not sooner but thank you so much for joining us and And thank you for all the great work that you do. We really appreciate your grace filled conversations and the approach that you have to politics thank you thank you. Thanks for having me. Thanks for the work that you all do. We LOVE TO DO LIST. That whole approach really. That's how I'm getting through all of this and clean out that closet. Thanks we'll see you on the twenty four. Thanks Guy Things by Ben. Sheehan is a former award winning executive producer at funny or die he founded. Omg W T F to teach voters about state executive races during the two thousand eighteen midterms in two thousand sixteen. He helped register fifty thousand voters through digital videos as the executive director of. Save the day his new book. Omg OMG W T F. Does the Constitution actually say is available for your stay at home reading now? Ben Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. I wish that we could be in person. I actually got to meet been when he was recording his book at our the studio that we record our podcast in here in Hollywood cool. Also get the audio book to read along. Yeah that was really fun. I know we had great plans to sit down and do this. Podcast interview and become best friends forever and so I kind of feel like we did come become pretty good friends. We were on the past two best friends forever but I feel like we really established a report in the in the time that we had derailed like. You haven't reached out once since this all happened. So you're pretty much dead to me but we'll see anyway. You started out as an actor and executive producer at Funnier die. When did you first get involved though in registering voters helping win elections? Were you involved in politics growing up so I grew up in Washington. Dc and I was basically. My parents were involved in politics from a young age or they were. I've been around since I was since I was very little my mom worked in the United States Senate and I remember when I was six years old and she took a Napkin at dinner one night and drew two houses and wrote the number four thirty five in one house and the the number one hundred and another house and taught me about the difference between the Senate and the House so I sort of soaked this up from from an early age just by the luck in growing up in DC and the proximity of it. But I studied political science in college in in sort of have been paying attention for for a long time and so when I was funny or die I would always try to gravitate toward the political projects and then when I was doing save the day with just Weeden. Those were all political videos that we were doing in the lead up to the election and basically in every job I've had I've always tried to find a way to work politics in now. We're surrounded by it constantly so it's less of a less of a Labor to shoehorn in it and but I just happened to grow up in around. It studied it and tried to work it into whichever whichever job I thought. That's a cool origin story. It sounds like you learn the skill of breaking things down to easily understandable bite size pieces from your mom on Napkins. Yeah and I learned a little bit of that from my My Dad is well. He coaches people on public speaking everyone from Democratic presidents to two executive so it was sort of a combination of learning this information from my mom. And then finding a way to sort of distill it but also a lot of that. I learned it at Funnier. Die Creating things for people with short attention spans. I'm including myself and and really honing in on. How can I convey this information in the shortest and least boring way possible? Well I would say it worked because your projects have gotten over a billion views at did you go in with the x with a billion view expectation. What does it feel like to make that kind of of an impact? Well no I did not go in with the expectation of that a lot of that is due to the fact that when I was at. Funnier die we got to work with our. I got to work with people of note with large followings so many of those user through that and then I got to work on a few music videos as well that God very high high view counts. So it's it's kind of weird to sit back and think that the projects I've been involved with in some way it had that sort of viewership but the ones that I'm I'm proudest of are the ones that sort of take important information and distill it down and whether it's getting an ema band there's a video. I WORKED ON WITH ADAM. Mckay where we took a Antonin. Scalia dissenting opinions on same sex marriage. Turn the most flowery parts into an emo song and I wrote this song and the band cohesion. Cambria recorded it and they got requests when they were on tour actually performed the song. But stuff like that where you sort of take these weird angles and turn the news and politics and information around and make it in a way that sort of surprises people and help them digest. The point of that may have to play some of that on the podcast. We'll probably get kicked off all the platforms if we do but so of all the areas of politics all the stuff that you learn from Your mom and how to talk about it from Your Dad. Why did you decide to write a book about the Constitution? So when I was doing. Omg WPF stuff in two thousand eighteen and enduring the election cycle in the midterms. This stood for Ohio. Michigan Georgia Wisconsin Texas and Florida and we were specifically focused on state executive races Governor Secretary of State and Attorney General and had had these events and friends of mine or or peers would come up and asks me questions about rex. Tillerson or jeff sessions and it would kind of dawned on me a few minutes or a few seconds of the conversation that they think that I'm talking about. Us Secretary of state or US Attorney General and they actually were unaware that their state had those those positions at the state level. And this other situations happened enough where I realized that there's a real sort of blind spot for a lot of people in their in their twenties and thirties. When it comes to how government works and I was curious why that was and I sort of looked at my own privilege have being exposed to this information but I the light bulb really went off when I looked at the data on civics education and it turns out that today only eight states require a year of civics or Government Education K through twelve and these cut started after the nineteen sixties really started after two thousand two with no child left behind where there were all these federal financial incentives for schools to perform well in reading and math that was continued in two thousand ten with a group of governors agreeing to common core so you had all these incentives and tests around reading and math and so other subjects that weren't included were sort of starved. And Shrunken. So now we're at the situation. Where only eight states have this and I graduated. High School in two thousand and three a lot of my friends graduated during this time and we didn't really get a lot of civics education so I wanted to really start at the beginning and in the one class of government that I took in school. We were lucky enough to get pocket constitutions and I've kind of went back out of curiosity and looked at it and I found it completely inaccessible. The Grammar Tone. The punctuation the capitals. I mean it just. It was like a different language so I thought if there was a way to digest this and make it simpler than we could at least start with the foundation of our federal government and help give this information to all the people who didn't get the civic classes that that they should have fun fact. I actually carry a pocket constitution in my laptop bag with me everywhere. I go and it's so tiny I can't read it. It's just kinda there so I think I'm going to swap it out for your book instead. I know you guys did that. Makes it even harder with the dense grammar and capitalization and then you have to use a magnifying glass to to get to it? It makes for very inaccessible. Union experience. I don't know why it's there are just so in case something terrible happens to me. And they've gone through my possessions. It'll be like wow. Steve carried a constitution with them. Really the only reason it's there so it's a prop to probably just bookcases on everybody. Inner being interviewed every new show right now. Those books are props just blank pages on the For for people like Steve who may be carry around the contribution? Maybe they've they've browsed it. A little bit What is something that they're going to learn from your book about the Constitution? That's probably gonNA blow their minds a little bit. We'll one is that we don't actually have the right to vote for president. This is something that we've always assumed. And we're we're taught from a young age but we didn't vote for president until really eighteen eighty and the responsibility for choosing electors or really choosing the method of how electors are chosen falls with with the state's the state legislatures and since eighteen eighty every state has allowed the citizens of the state or though the residents. I should say to hold a devoted statewide popular election. And then that determines who the electors are pledged to but this is not something that we have a constitutional right to do as much as we. We may expect that I would say largely the fact that even while Congress can override a election laws when it comes to the Times places and manner of choosing representatives and senators to a large extent. this is. This is something that states make decisions on. And we've been seeing this a lot with the with the primaries where different states have different methods of voting in primaries voting in general some states like Utah and in Washington and Oregon already have statewide vote by mail. That's that's that's the common means. A voting other states still had their elections during a pandemic. So I would say the combination of just not having a constitutional right for for residents the people of the country to directly vote for president. That's nowhere in the constitution. The fact that states have so much power when it comes to voting. And I know you've you and your organization have have have dealt with this a lot with with with with your work and you talk about last week's podcast so those are two things that really jumped out at me that we've just sort of always assumed when it comes to elections but that actually. I had no idea. That's a little bit scary. Thank you and arm. Wasn't it wasn't until the seventeen th amendment in nineteen thirteen? That people had the ability to vote for a for senators until nineteen thirteen senators. Were chosen by the state legislatures because it was sort of the state governments having representation in the federal government and then it was the people's house where people could vote for directly for president for for representatives as long as they could vote for their state representatives than they had the ability to vote for their US representatives. And that's determined by the state. So I just to sum it all up. There is a lot less democracy at the outset. Then we expect but we've made strides in this because now people elect senators directly. We've made changes to the Electoral College. We've prevented people's voting rights from being taken away based on race on sex on many different things ability to pay tax. Our poll tax eighteen year olds. Now have the right to vote. So we've made a lot of strides. I think in the last few hundred years that have expanded democracy but when you go back and look at the source material. It's clear that we have more democracy in many ways now than than we did at least when it comes to certain federal elections nerd question. Do you have a favorite amendment? I do I have. I have one is a cheetah. It's not a nerd question. I heard for asking it. Like what's your favorite amendment. I'd say all of these questions probably have some categorization of Edging into NERD territory. But I would say I think the ninth amendment is really interesting and it basically says there are rights their fundamental rights. That people have that aren't in here and what's in here can't be used to deny the rights that we basically forgotten. The these are James Madison's way of preventing people's fundamental rights that they forgot to include in the constitution from being trampled upon applied to things like travel and personal health decisions. Things like that. So that's a pretty important catch all and if it were very forward thinking one and then the the fourteenth amendment is just. They're so much in there. That was the second reconstruction amendment that established a birthright citizenship. Equal Protection Law. I mean there's there's so much in the in its different sections. I would say those two amendments. If I were to pick a favorite those those would be would be one into what's your favorite amendment Mariah. Probably like some some people. Maybe I don't know. All of the amendments off the top of my head and what I love about the whole. Og W T F Cannon. Let's call it is that. I you know I'm like one of those adults I don't know when I took civics class. I know I took a government class my freshman year in high school but I remember being so completely overwhelmed as a young adult about how local and National Federal Government worked and I was at journalists coming out of college. I like people were allowing me to go on. Tv and report things. And I had no idea what was going on and I don't think very many people Really do and so. That's why this is so helpful and and just like at and something that you should I think go and since then I've learned a lot but I have to refresh my brain which is like full of holes by this point every so often and remind myself of what all of this is is about. And and what's going on well. I think that there is a tendency to sort of be embarrassed or be ashamed and this and this goes for everyone. There's some part of our brain that tells us that we should know this and that we should be embarrassed or ashamed for not knowing it but the truth is that aid is just not a priority in our education system and it makes me think a lot about the speech that George Washington to get really nerdy and throws history. That George Washington gave his final a state of the union before Congress in seventeen ninety six and he basically pitched the idea to Congress of creating National University that prioritized civics and government education. Because he thought it was the most important subject and that we need to teach everyone how government works so that they can then run the government that he and his buddies just set up for everyone and compare that to today. We're only eight states require a year of civics and government education. You know we we. We put this pressure on ourselves or or beat ourselves up for for not knowing this but it wasn't taught to us and it and it should have. It should be the most important thing or tied for the most important things that that we learn. So you know my my hope. Is that this. There are so many great organizations that are putting civic education back into schools like the Mikva challenge generation citizen but there are also the people in their twenties thirties forties. Who who either got very little of this didn't get it and hopefully this book act access a refresher to kind of information. It's a really great great point and This the sad thing is you're right. We shouldn't feel shameful forward. It's it's been a big gaping hole in our education for a long time but The people who should feel shameful about it are the mini elected officials We have so many members of Congress. Now who didn't study civics in school and who don't know the constitution in would probably do very well to read your book as well so those people should feel total. Shame if you're a sitting member of Congress and our president and that guy too yeah there are definitely some elected officials both at the federal and state and also say the local level that kind of bank on us not knowing this information because they can do things like a gerrymandering districts both local state legislature and. Us House they bank on people not knowing this. Because if we don't know this information then we can act as a check technically. We're their bosses. We we hired them for their jobs. We pay them their salaries benefits and expenses. We decide if we want to hire them again. Every two four and six years and if we don't know how to evaluate if they're doing a good job or even what their job is then they can kind of stay in power and they're banking on us or or some of them are banking on us to a large extent to not know this so that we're not you know bosses breathing breathing down their neck so they are definitely members of Congress and all levels of government? Who Don't know this information but there are some people who do and are banking on us not knowing it so this is this is the time with everything going on to really educate ourselves so that we can make wise decisions and informed decisions all the way up down our ballot speaking of that. Let's end with the same question we ask everyone else. What gives you? The most hope gives me the most hope. Is that a lot of people I can tell between just between social media between your organization between all these other organizations that have formed in the last few years. That really fundamentally understand that there are some things that are are systematically broken and systematically wrong and we're not sort of looking for the the shortcuts and the kind of you know bandaids on a broken arm. We're really looking to make deep fundamental change and I mean look at what you and your organization did in two thousand eighteen. You were you. Were such a crucial part of a flipping. The House and you did it. And you led the charge and this organization didn't exist four years ago so the fact that a group of people can get together and have this resounding effect and we can connect a quicker and in more meaningful ways than ever and there's a real desire to sort of take a generational approach to fixing these problems and asking the question. Why is it like this? Why has it always been like this? You know the more swing less than out there and other organizations like it the more hope I get because I think that this what we're going through right now is horrible but if there can be a silver lining. It's that we can come out of it fixing the the big problems that we honestly should have fixed a long time ago. Thanks for the reminder to for people to get involved too that's so important and part of being involved as knowledge And the rest of it is taking action and voting and I would just say that if there's one thing that listeners can can do is just to educate themselves just on who their representatives are even just knowing your two senators at the federal level. You're one US representative your state. Senator Your State representative. That's half the battle right there and following them on social media signing up for their email lists and really sort of following their activity. Because it's hard to hold people accountable if we don't know who they are and what they do. Mariah craven always says down. Ballot is where it's at true. Thanks for giving me credit for that. Thank you ben per such an awesome conversation and I hope I'm people check out your your book and get educated informed inactivated. Well thank you so much. We mentioned our letter writing party that we did last Thursday and how much fun it was. We're really excited about my letter writing slash birthday party are my birthday are letter writing. Party on May. Twenty fourth with the pantsuit politics podcast. It's going to be really great. We wanted to share some recordings from that letter writing parties. Some of the great people who Shared what it felt like for them to be part of that. Yeah can't wait for people to to hear what it was like to in the zoom room with US writing letters. Let's take it so I'm going to be starting small doing through letter writing parties for my flip before nine through and I'm GonNa pick writing letters in my own. Do My Post Clark right now. I'm working furiously on. This mask switched. Maybe it'll keep people alive. Then they vote so this is a lot of fun. It's been a good month. Plus since our last Cleveland area activist group got together to write letters so it was cool to write letters again people from all over the country almost good to hang out like Dan so this is a lot of fun on. This is the first activists might done since crisis said. This is the first time I actually get the energy to do it. So this is fun my wife and I had really the time to do this and Were to keep on truckin about at the Republicans want to do so. Thank you to everybody. Who's on this call math? Thanks for the new season. Mariah's cool hang out guys Let's say you all the time. And thanks while the other actors out there doing the work We all appreciate very much. Your Cleveland Ohio Group here in Fresno we got together. I remind and wrote letters together when this happened I was kind of lost and then I saw that we could use virtual little writing and I got very happy. This is only my third time doing this like this and I will just continue to do more because we need to check out all Republicans because they should just not really interested in any sort of governance and just get people in there who actually canton and thank thing here. We just keep going things to everyone who joined us for that virtual letter writing. Party and thanks everyone for joining us today and for stepping up and taking action. This is how we win. We win when we all GET INVOLVED. We want hear from you. Let us know how you're staying busy during the coronas pandemic? What's bringing you hope tweet to us? I'm at Blues. Boy Steve and Mariah Mariah is at mariah underscored craven or email us at podcast at swing left dot org thank you so much to our friends at dim cast. 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All the Prognostications

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All the Prognostications

"The Biden campaign I think is showing us a way of governing that is not centered on one personality. And I like that and I want it I like having days where I honestly don't think about Joe Biden I would like to have more days like that where I honestly don't have to have thought about the president but maybe I'm thinking about someone in the Cabinet today or maybe I'm thinking about someone in Congress he's leading an effort. This is Sarah and Beth you're listening to pantsuit politics the home of grace. Spill conversation. Hello everyone. Thank you for joining us for this episode of fancy politics. Today is entitled all the prognostications. We're just going to go through what people who analyze data are saying about all of the important races, not just the presidential election but all the important races coming up before that, we're going to do some headlines things coming up this week to be watching for will end as always with what's on our minds outside politics before we jump into all that. We need to do some corrections a hey getting things wrong so much. So these have been like hanging over my head. Okay. The first thing is Sarah and I are older than we wished to be which surfaces in multiple areas of our lives but particularly surfaced in our conversation about Matthew Shepard. This is completely my air. It has been twenty two years not twelve since he was murdered and I am so sorry that I got that wrong. The second thing we want to correct came up in my conversation with my friend Eric about guns now y'all had lots of feelings about that conversation said, all kinds of information we will return talking about gun rights and the Second Amendment and the usefulness versus the danger of guns after the election. But for right now, many of you zeroed in on a statistic that Eric mentioned that there were more people killed by knives last year then by guns and that is incorrect and I think this is a good example of how conversations with people we care about can go sometimes because I didn't go back to Eric and say, Hey, everyone says you're wrong I'm mad I went back to him and said, Hey, a lot of people are saying that they disagree with statistic do you have a site for the source? And he gave me the site and we looked at it together and he said, no, I'm sorry. It is that more people are killed by like blunt force fist and things like that. Then by rifles and then we had a conversation about are you segmenting rifles from other firearms and it led to a really interesting and fruitful discussion, and so I want to be sure to correct that stat on the show and also tell you that that's going. To happen all the time in your lives and I think it can be a door opener instead of door closer in those discussion. So I really appreciate Eric for spending more time with me off the show on that issue and all of you for continuing that conversation well, and I think it's a perfect example of giving grace instead of assuming that he was. Purposely either trying to mislead or twisting the statistics to make a point. You went at him and gave him total and complete benefit of the doubt. Hey, this is what I'm hearing. What do you think instead of your lying you know I think that that is a perfect example of when we posture in a way that assumes the worst and the other person that is not in the biggest understatement of the year the best way to conversation and connection rain and I trust Eric's integrity one, hundred percent I know that he hates that this happened and was he said you're going to be able to correct this right like he's such a good person he would never deliberately mislead anyone. So we both want to issue that correction. Thank you for. Keeping US honest and accountable, and for listening closely for those things, we hate to make errors here and we appreciate y'all keep coming back and giving us the opportunity to correct them. Before we get started, we also wanted to invite you to our pre election political therapy. This Friday night, we are going to be together and we are going to have an general admission event that you can buy a ticket to with the Lincoln shuts where we're just GonNa, we're just gonNA process y'all. We're GONNA be together. We're going to answer some questions we're going to just work through some of our feelings about this election. We're also GONNA have a virtual meet-and-greet which I'm very excited about. We're going to have a quick screen time call with you on video. So we can see you you can see us you can tell us what you're thinking about the election or just share with the show means to these were our favorite moments in the live tour. Obviously, we're not doing a live Vince. We're GONNA have this virtual live event and we can't wait to see you there. Again, the link is in the show notes and we're all going to need. That political therapy because the night before Thursday is the final presidential debate in Nashville where we will be Watching, former vice president Joe Biden and current president. Donald Trump debate one final time, we will be on instagram with our immediate reactions, and then of course, we'll share are more indepth thoughts during the live event on Friday night but. Beth are you gird your loins for this final presidential debate on Thursday I think it's really cute how many news outlets are making predictions about how this debate will go because the idea that on Saturday or Sunday what the trump team they're prepping him to do will be what he actually does on Thursday after he has spent lots of time doing rallies across the United Station getting in that zone I just. I think it's fun that we're still trying to do that. The reporting is all that we're GONNA see a kinder Gentler Donald Trump. He was really trying to appeal more to suburban women. WHO MAKES SOME JOKES? and. Again like I get why that is the strategy I cannot imagine that that's where we're. We're going to be by Thursday. It's so interesting right now, I'm reading tension city Jim Layers memoir about hosting. He hosted like half of the presidential debates over the past thirty years forty years and I'm reading that memoir with a part of our extra credit club. You picked this one I love. Yes. It's really. Interesting. Because in some ways, it's always the paradox of history like in some ways, you read his insights or I love that he follows up in interviews, most of the people involved in these debates and in some ways you read through this history in your like. There's nothing new under the Sun. You know there were debates where people felt like they were so contentious and they were not civil. You know the vice presidential debate between. Vice President Cheney and Senator John. Edwards like that one got really bad reviews and people felt like they were too contentious or there's the moment where Geraldine Ferraro went back at George H W Bush for basically trying to school her foreign policy. They talk about that and sort of like what it was like for her to be a female vice presidential nominee. and. Then in some other ways, it's just we're in a total different universe and because of the way he approaches. The way the president approaches everything. It's just themes are there, but they've been dolled up to fifteen, and as I was reading all about these presidential debates I kinda had this sadness because you know I remember as a little girl watching the debate between Clinton and Bush and Perot I remember as a college student. Do you remember the vice presidential debate between Joe Lieberman and he was in Danville at centre, College near where we attend school in Kentucky my now? Husband then boyfriend and I win in protest it was like such a a fund environment. It was fun presidential elections to a certain personality type used to be fun. It was like we got to talk about things that that were important than we all cared about and it's not that they weren't absent of conflict. There was such an like civic energy a really fun civic energy I think about how we even felt earlier this year being in Iowa for the Democratic primary. And I'm just so sad that he has. Stripped that of the last two elections, I you know my my eleven year old does the debates with me, but it's not like we don't get to have. Conversations about some of the policy they're talking about because we're too busy talking about why we don't treat other people that way in why we don't we speak with kindness and why we care about our fellow citizens even if they disagree with us and I'm not saying those aren't important civic lessons to but there is a part of me as I as I read this memoir. That's just sad that it has become. So traumatizing to experience presidential politics when Donald Trump is participating. That, you know I have to talk about governors. Who are being threatened with kidnapping and it's just you know. I know there's a lot of things degree right now but I am grieving that a little bit. I've always loved presidential elections. I have been a person he's been dialed into every second of them as long as I can remember. I agree with you that a huge component of what has sucked some of the joy away for me is just the brute force that trump brings into the ram and the wave. It reminds you of every bully you've ever interacted with I do think there are two other components this year that have really in my mind become much more pronounced. And one of those is just the money side. Even, the races that I am most enthusiastic about I have lost my enthusiasm for not that I'm going to change the way. I. Vote. I'm still going to show up and vote I'm ready to do this but I just feel worn down by this process in a way I never have before because of the constant fundraising appeals and the juxtaposition of the constant fund raising appeals next to the articles about record shattering fundraising, and the fact that anytime we turn on network television, which is not super often in my house, but often enough for me to notice. It is just one political ad after another and it's it's tiring I. Don't look forward to getting my mail mail was like life for me for the past six months. Because it was connection to the outside world as we've been here. Basically sheltering in place from covert, and now the mail is just all this ugliness and it's overwhelming. I understand why people do it. I have compassion for the fact that this is at this point, a race of just getting people out and. Not, do is to just keep doing what you what you have using the tools that are available to you. I understand that in some ways I've been thinking about this in relation to my mom's sickness because. I feel such a sense of urgency around my mom's health. She's doing much better by the way, but still I feel a sense of urgency every day I wanna know everything I can no and I wish all the time but there was something I could do about it because it would make me feel so much better. and. So I understand on the campaign end that there is that same sense of intensity and urgency personal responsibility and you just want to do something. And so that leads people to sending letters and postcards, and texts, and calls, and all of its important. Thank you. If you are participating in that at the same time I'm really tired and I imagine everybody involved with that process is too and so I think we have serious conversations that need to take place about campaign finance and just how we're doing all this and then I do think the third layer which is brand new is the pandemic and just that there are such limited ways to have conversations. I. Haven't talked as much to real people about this election as I would have in years past because I'm not. Hanging around the hallway with real people you know and and I think that there's an element of grief and that for me too because I used to have really interesting conversations with people about elections. Certainly, it comes up with the people I'm most connected to, but you have to choose so carefully whom you can be connected to you right now that it's that is hard. So I think there's a lot of sadness. Election, some of it having to do with the president and some of it not well, and I, think the other layer is. Our understanding of. Foreign intervention elections are understanding of disinformation and the fact that it's not just a civic exercise between Americans anymore if it ever was and we certainly are more aware of that. I think this New York. Post story. I don't even know if story is the right word for it. I mean story as story time. Let's make something up sounds relevant. But for those of you who have not been following this the New, York Post shared a story. To sources, Rudy. Giuliani who confessed this weekend that no other outlet would take Steve Bannon was the other name source. He's currently under indictment for fraud other third party news source has been able to confirm the story the person who worked primarily on it refused to have his name on it. One of the people who name was on it is new to the post is A. Former producer for Sean Hannity and didn't really work on the story. So you know it's fits the bill of sort of classic disinformation coming particularly from Russia experts in Russian disinformation say like it checks all checks, all the important boxes for the types of stories a try to disrupt elections with leaked emails, child pornography I. Mean you name it it's got all of it and it's just I think there's you know it's the paradox of everything in this election in some ways it's so depressing that this is what we have to watch out for, and in some ways, it's encouraging that we've gotten so much better at looking out for it but I think this idea that like there are foreign actors in our elections in such a clear and present way is another thing that really affects my perception of the campaign. He knows we're having conversations about this stuff with friends and family members. I, think it is important to note that. Mainstream, news sources are reporting on this story they are just not reporting on. The underlying ideas that the New York Post communicated but no one's hiding from it. I think there's this sense sometimes that every major outlet is being really protective of Joe Biden. These are still newspapers and television stations who need people to be engaged with them. If they had some blockbuster story, they could confirm about something that's bad wrong in the Joe Biden campaign or with his family U- US believe it would run on. The front page, there's no way that stuff like that gets buried in this new environment. So we put some links in the show notes business insider, CNN New York, times credible outlets are covering this. What they're covering is how it came to be that the New York Post published the story that's really different from ducking and hiding. Yeah. No I agree and I was really disturbed by how even in some of my more progressive. Circles the was being. Shared as like well. Is this true when we think and I'm like, no, no, no, no no what. Well, first of all, if something comes up and you're like, is this a sucked October, surprise what's going on and you can't find stories because when this story first broke it was it's not like it was on the cover of the New York Times or The Washington Post which is your first. Signal. But the reason it wasn't there is because they were doing the time to report on it. It's not like they immediately came out and said Oh new. York poses bullshit. Don't believe this they went and did their own reporting on the actual story I'm in that took a few days and I think that it's always important to be aware of that. Don't again like you always say there are. No scoops in two, thousand twenty like if you if they're not reporting, then give them time because that's because they're doing actual reporting checking sources and making sure the story is true instead of running with it like they did honestly in two thousand, sixteen, a lot of the times without confirming or without thinking like what is going on here. So again, I, mean, it's it's it's the same thing it's Like it's depressing that this is still but I do think the hopeful note here is that we are getting so much better particularly the media but I think citizens in general at recognizing for what it is, and at least pausing taking a beat in a breath and making sure that we know what we're talking about. I also think maintaining some sense of prioritization in this races voters is really important. Because for me I I am enthusiastically voting Joe Biden and Kamla Harris and I feel zero percent obligation to defensive of anything relating to hundred Biden's board service on a Ukrainian energy company I I just don't. I'm not prioritizing that issue. I am not looking at my friends and family members who are supporting Donald Trump and saying but really how do you not care about Ivanka's business dealings in China like that's just not the top issue for me and I think that's another way to approach these conversations. We don't have to slug it out over this report. Because it's just not what anyone's voting on this year. I think this is reflective of a pattern you will see and lots of. Being, honest conservative conservative media outlets, which is to. Pull something extreme from the periphery in demand that everyone in the center of that spectrum take responsibility for it and I think it can be Hunter Biden, I think it can be you know over the weekend on instagram. There was a lot of chatter about a video posted by a pro reproductive rights group caught shot your abortion. And all of a sudden woman who had been. Sharing that she was going to vote for Joe Biden particularly in relationship to evolving views on abortion was then expected to be responsible for this video on this Instagram page because what because? But to a group in a citizen both use the words, pro choice or pro life, and then all of a sudden now you're responsible for that like I think that that is such a distracting disconnecting. Honestly, like not in good faith strategy and you see this on the this with celebrities to will this this progressive celebrity said this well, how do you feel about that? I feel like celebrities not on my ballot and I'm not responsible for their behavior. You know I think that there is this attempt to go all the way to the extremes find something in the area and then demand anybody who's voting democratic voting Republican be responsible for that behavior and I think that that is not that's not a conversation that's a trap and here's the other thing I want to say. I'm also not saying people shouldn't report on those issues that don't rise to the top of my priorities as a voter. There is a vetting process that the media is responsible for if there's there there about Hunter Biden, it will come out and it should. Even if it's not the most important issue. Whatever gets reported between now and Election Day about the trump family in their business dealings I think it's relevant. It's still not the top issue for me, but it's important. I really hate hearing from people that they think Joe Biden has been like hiding and snoozing during this race because he's not out doing everything donald trump is. This man has been reported on for decades. And so there has been a vetting process and there continues to be one the other thing I just want to say about that since it's At. Since I've brought it up because it's clearly bothering me. Is that the bind campaign is using surrogates various effectively, this is not a sleepy campaign. It's a disbursed campaign meeting the moment of the pandemic. and. The Biden campaign I think is showing us a way of governing but is not centered on one personality. I like that and I want it. I like having days where I honestly don't think about Joe Biden. I would like to have more days like that where I honestly don't have to have a thought about the president but maybe I'm thinking about someone in the Cabinet today or maybe I'm thinking about someone in Congress, he's leading an effort so. I just think we're having. Conversations centered around the wrong questions just like what you said about shot your abortion like great report on that under seeing that it's out there and also understand that it's one group in the midst of. Fifty percent of the world's population in terms of women, and they're going to be a diversity of feelings about that whether you're talking to pro-life or pro-choice women. There's GonNa be a diversity of feelings about that group. and. So bring it up be aware of it, and then put it in its place and move on I. think that's so true. I think the I love the addition of I want to have days where I don't think about the president because I'm thinking are working on something else because I'm focused on my own school district because I care deeply about climate change and I'm and I'm working on that or I'm talking to my fellow citizens about that like often I worry that the language of our not think about the president means I want to stop thinking about politics and the truth is that our politics are so broken and the problems are so big. We cannot have that luxury again. And I know that's hard to hear and I know that that's something we're GonNa have to to work through it connected with each other to continue to face along past election day. But the way that he functions at these rallies in particular saying things like locker up about Governor Whitman who is credible threats to her life and the lives of her children. Is. So, disruptive and so harmful. It not only creates problems like the growing power of domestic terrorist groups. That we have to pay attention to, but it just sucks all the energy away like real leadership is empowering people in opening up energy for them. In a democracy to solve these problems, not sucking up all the energy and creating new ones and like just watching the way he's behaved with these rallies the last few days. Or. The last four years is just so. Upsetting, and so disheartening. And the thing that brings me the most hope is that I think It's becoming even more clear that that is his only approach. I told myself I said on this podcast and I agree with the people who said the more desperate he gets the more he will act out and I. Think I thought. The more desperate he gets the more dangerous. He gets and I don't think that's untrue. I think there are aspects of the fact that he is president now and that he has the power of the federal government within his grasp that makes him more dangerous within two thousand sixteen without a doubt. But I also think that the more desperate he gets the more ridiculous he gets and the more apparent it becomes the emperor has no clothes. And the way that he talks and the way chanting locker up about a governor who had a domestic terrorist plot against her. You. Know it just. And maybe this is just me and maybe it's just me inside my bubble, but it feels so transparent and ridiculous at times contrast that to governor, Whitman who I find so much hope in because of the way she handled all of this. I can't adequately express my level of appreciation for how governor Whitmer has said repeatedly, this has been really hard and awful We have a lot of political leaders who would never say that he would interpret that as a sign of weakness Yup, a lot of political leader leaders he would just say, well, it comes with the territory and Governor Whitman has said this is really been. Hard, I've had to talk to my daughters about people with assault rifles walking around our property to check it out I've had to educate my children about these threats that has been hard and it. It has been discouraging and I'm worried that it will discourage other people from serving in public office like I really appreciate her saying those hard things while at the same time standing firm. In her approach to governance and saying my focus, this whole time has been on public safety. And it is discouraging that I am having to worry about my personal safety because I have been worried about the safety of others I just appreciate she's calm but she is. About how this is impacting her in her family and I think that is extremely hopeful as we say that we want more politicians who are honest and transparent and forthright and authentic I. Just I really respect the way that she has responded to all this I respect what she calls him out to and says, this isn't helming I mean it would be very easy to take a much more kind of focus grouped approach to this whether she where she completely ignores him or she puts it all at his feet but says, it does no skin off her back and she is not doing either one of those things and I, really admire. Well, and let me say something else about this particular campaign season that is different. But that is giving me hope I love that people are starting to use the words election season instead of election day. Because Twenty eight, a million Americans have already voted. And I. Love This I. Thought that I. Really wanted to see everybody's election day stickers and post on election day just to really get a concentrated dose of that patriotic hope and civic engagement may culpa. I was wrong the steady stream of lines and Citizens voting and posting their stickers also sign out. People who are in charge of the state stickers have really stepped up their design game this year. I see you and I appreciate you and love it. Like seeing all that and seeing everybody just so joyful going out they're not letting anything stop them the videos piece people are posting like. Oh. My God it's beautiful I. I went to live here all the time I know we can't vote him to. I love election season I. Love having these several weeks of watching people just go out there. Get it done I. think it is so energizing and so empowering and I think that we are looking at historic turn out and that. Brings me so much joy and it gives me so much hope. That we're not just going to say, okay, we got him out of here. We're done I see in Americans across this country. The dedication and the belief that our work is just beginning and it. Feels amazing. Big Shout out here to Kentucky's Republican Secretary of State Michael Adams who's really embraced this gotten a lot of criticism from within his party for it but he's really embraced election season. He tweets in a fun way about it. What's your election day going to be? This is great like I really appreciate that he's worked with our Democratic governor and we have this across the aisle very legitimate approach to our elections. This we don't go backward from this right. This cannot be just the pandemic way of voting when you see this many people respond I think we have to say we want this we want more of this in future elections pandemic. Or not, and so I'm excited about innovation that could come from this horrible time that we've been through because you are seeing Americans want to vote when you make it where they can they want to do it and they will we have one more moment of hope for you. Before we move onto the main segment of the show rent, Dickman is a fan of the show. Daughter ever listener y'all she made the most amazing name short documentary film called disconnected about what it's like to be a young adult in this social media environment I watched it I cannot recommend it enough. So here's an audio clip. Of Brand talking about disconnected in the link is in the show notes so that you can watch it yourself. Hi Sarah Beth my name is Brian I'm a high school senior in Colorado Springs. I haven't making short artistic travel videos and posting them on Instagram for about four years but two years ago my interest in pursuing a bigger more serious project grew. 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It's so easy to Miss Governors and. Boy especially in a pandemic, your governor has seen enormous amount of power and influence over what's going on where you are. There are some gubernatorial seats on the ballot. Lots of incumbents. So many incumbents, which I think is going to be really interesting because. Of the absence of federal leadership around Cova. There has had to be a lot of state leadership so we have about eleven. Governor's up for reelection, and it's like almost all incumbents over-regulation. Now in Montana, they have to new candidates because Steve Bullock was term limited and he's running for Senate and in Utah Gary Herbert is at running because he's been there governor for Ted Years Holy Messed. That's a long time to be governor. It looks like the Lieutenant Governor Spitzer Cox Pauline way ahead. So they're going to have new leadership, but you're talking about the leadership Jay. Inslee. In Washington state through the wildfires on the ballot royal or the Democratic Governor of North Carolina on the ballot. I'm really interested in the race in West Virginia with Jim Justice like you just have a lot of governors who were making really public health decisions and they're going to be on the ballot and I think it's GonNa be really interesting to see how people respond. Republicans are favored to win I think seven of these contests. Did you know that Vermont has a Republican governor I just want to hover for a second on Vermont having a Republican governor in the fact that Vermont's governor has to run every two years. Oh, that's awful to your terms are awful saying the person who lived in the two year term that doesn't surprise me at all because I have learned not to be suppressed about anything with when it comes to Vermont and New Hampshire if I'm being honest like they're just. Doing their own thing they handle things differently the pretty independent. So yeah. I. Don't know if I am surprised by that I, think it shows you some of the long term effects of having. Elections don't require people to affiliate with a party I just wonder psychologically if if you don't have to register as Republican or Democrat if you are just more inclined I for Vermont would certainly bear out that state turns out heavily for Bernie Sanders a statewide race and then has a Republican governor. It's fascinating and it's important and I think there's something really healthy about it Phil Scott, the Republican governor of Vermont. I became very interested in because I was surprised to see that state read on the gubernatorial map and he is a pretty moderate Republican, he is a supportive of. lgbtq rights. For example, he's never supported Donald Trump and it's just it's the kind of Republican that most people think don't. It doesn't exist anymore in the fact that he's the governor of state gives me a lot of hope. So really interesting to see that and I agree with you I like. Indiana's governor I'm interested in how people vote given that he's handled the Kovic pandemic. In ways that I find to be sort of sporadic like he seems to like talk a better game and he's willing to regulate so. This is going to be really fascinating especially in Montana where you have Steve Bullock now on the ballot again. But for Senate how that's going to impact gubernatorial seat, I'm interested to see to well an I. Look for you know decades from now maybe won't take that long to the political science slash public health studies about the different approaches of governors who are up for reelection in two thousand twenty those who are not like that would be super interesting I'm excited because I'm a doer about all that data and how that plays out. The the governor of Vermont reminds me a lot of the governor of Massachusetts and I think that moderate Republican governors and democratic states. I got no beef with them. I really don't have any beef with them and I. Weigh. About Democratic Governors in Republicans. I don't love it when their I think. We have a narrative in America that you're seeing bubble up in some of the Senate races right now because certain parties are getting desperate, which is what we have to. You have to have divided power. That's key people in check and I think if both parties are operating in good faith that can be true and I think if I'm being honest, you see that more in democratic states with Republican governors than you see in Republicans as with Democratic Governors. There's less good faith from the Republican legislators when it comes to democratic governors in red states, there's a lot of manipulation like you saw North Carolina there's a lot of midnight dealings like you see like you've seen in Kentucky even Texas to a certain extent. So I'm not I'm down for divided government when both people when both parties are acting in good faith which I do think you see in those blue states and I think that's why you see good leadership. So should we talk about the Senate I'm super excited about the Senate. I can talk about the Senate all day long. Well, it's interesting because think if you had asked me a year ago was would there be any chance of Republicans. Losing Control of the Senate. I would have said no that you wouldn't have been the only one sister everybody was saying that and now I will be very surprised if Republicans. Don't lose control of the Senate. It's just amazing that the turn over the past year. Well, and let's talk about the turn of the last few weeks been. SAS blessings, John cornyn blessings don't roll in here two weeks before Election Day. And say, well, listen, I've just been a disagree with them the whole time the only people that get to hold that the only senator truly believe that can hold up that mantle and say I have criticized him openly and taken the heat that comes from it is Mitt Romney and the rest of y'all are talking some election day smack that I can't believe anybody would believe and the fact that the Republican Senate leadership is acting surprised. That there's a trickle down from the terrible. Presidency of Donald, trump, two republican senators, and then trying to shift their tone and abated him at this point is. Outrageous, and laughable I feel very strongly about this. It is the continuance of a theme where we have elected officials who do not exercise the power that we give them. There is so much lamenting in sort of inside. Baseball Capitol Hill, journalism about how little power rank and file senators feel they have. I just want to pause on the term rank and file senator. That's outrageous. That's outrageous. There are a hundred people in this country in your one of them and you feel like you're the rank and file stop that the Senate rules themselves do not vest as much power in Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer as Senate Convention does I'm going. To put a real wonky look at how the Senate functions in the show notes if you would like to spend some time on this yes it is easy for McConnell to prevent legislation from coming into the Senate? Yes. It is easy for party leadership to steer the ship but easy isn't getting it done and the fact is our elected representatives have more power and authority than they choose to use, and that's been true and it's been on a trajectory for at least ten. So I really want us to have a routier senate I can't believe I'm saying that this is not my personality, but we need a routier Senate, where some people just say, no, like we are going to vote on this. What do I have to do to get this to the floor? The legislative graveyard is people like to talk about with senator. McConnell is a real thing. There are hundreds of bills including tin that are the. Kinds of things we talk about here all the time that if the American public were pulled on when they're pulled on, it have broad bipartisan support campaign finance issues, voting rights, issues, gerrymandering terms. There are so many things that the Senate could be taking up at the House has already passed and they refuse to. So when people like Senator Sas and Senator Cornyn WanNa tell us that really they have been so discouraged this whole time. Do something about it friend you've got a lot more power to than the people that are on that phone call with you. Pick it up and do something with it or handed over to somebody who will and that's really why even as the polling like such a hard climb for a McGrath for MJ head for some of our favorites who are running those are the people we need in the Senate because they will not for a second let party leader tell them that a bills not coming to the floor they will do what I love to see them try. Very much enjoy someone trying to tell amy into since. In fact I yeah I WANNA video like some sort of Tick Tock summary Thank you here's all lot to say about that. It's not allowed to say about this talk about this because it makes me so angry, they're full of it. It's really not even just about the legislative calendar. They didn't criticize Donald Trump because they were worried about a primary challenge from his base and they don't step to Mitch McConnell because they need his fundraising make no mistake. Those were political calculus is about their own future and not. Their constituents, what their constituents want needed or were depending on, and if you think that the fallout will just come from your support Donald Trump. If you think that people will not remember that you rush through the confirmation of Amy Conybeare in record time and let covid relief sit there Then you guys are denser than I, thought I agree with you. Yeah Oh WHAT DO THEY I. There's a part of me that thinks they're still living in two thousand. I don't Know Tin Twelve, I don't know if they think. If. There's a little bit that the Republican leadership likes being in the minority because they can just be the party of no because they have shown an inability or unwillingness to present actual priorities beyond tax cuts. Because that's the thing like I was I my husband and I were talking about this and I thought like. Is this really going to be. A generation wide fallout. Long Platt past the Donald Trump presidency. Or will they just pivot and go back to the you know Tea Party government's the problem government's the problem. Government's the problem. See. We told you government's the problem. I just can't fathom that will work this time. Maybe am too, overly optimistic. But. What I see and our listeners what I see when I read articles in the New York Times like they had this week in about suburban women voters. Is a Pandora. You cannot put back in the box when you have told a woman for decades that she can't be a good Christian vote Democrat, and then she does in realizes her faith is intact. and. Her life is fine like you can't go back and so much of that opposition was saying all that matters is this. And I think the problems facing our country are getting so large and so loud once voter. And I don't think they're just women voters reexamining their beliefs on this or their approach voting. Once a female voter turns and says, try this way. It's not like the next election. She's going to go back to voting the exact same way like to me. This is like. I don't know if the if the Republican leadership sees the writing on the wall. As far as the future of the party. But it's going to go way past Senate control and twenty twenty and the White House in twenty twenty I think a lot will depend on how power is exercised. Democratic Senate. Democratic House. Democratic president. A lot of what happens from there will depend on how the power is exercised and historically in a situation like that two years later, you would have a shift at least in control of the house right. And I don't know what will happen I. do think that there is a reckoning that Republicans have been talking about since at least two thousand twelve. In terms of where the party is on race and where the Party is on reproductive rights and and where the party is on marriage equality and non-discrimination. There are things that I think just culturally we are moving past the backlash. Which is probably why we have such an intense backlash right now that's not an original thought by any stretch. I. Do think in this election, a good night for Republicans is keeping the Senate close. Versus. Having lost a lot of seats. And? I also think we should prepare for the fact that there are racist that are getting a lot of publicity that are still toss up races I don't know if Jamie Harrison's going to be Lindsey Graham I. think There's a real shot at him doing that and that in and of itself is a big story and that will matter even if he doesn't win that will matter to make that much progress amy McGrath has given Mitch McConnell the run if his life and if she doesn't win, which I sincerely hope she does but I know it's a long shot if she doesn't win that will still have mattered. I get really frustrated with the people tweeting about the races that they think there is no shot in acting like we should just give up on them. No, you make a dent you make progress because this isn't the only election and it's not the only time what people are doing in races all over the country is GonNa have a really long tail like you were talking about and I also think there is a shot in some of those races that people are writing off. Will my husband ever ever ever? Let me live down that I bought airplane tickets to Hillary Clinton's inauguration no does that mean you should trust? My positive outlook on the current polling perhaps not perhaps you should not. But I am frustrated with the idea that this positive Poland is just like the positive polling from two, thousand, sixteen and. Donald trump could still win don't trump could still win but this is not two thousand sixteen I don't think it's even comparable to two thousand sixteen I. Don't think Joe Biden is the same candidate is Hillary Clinton I. Don't think the media or the citizen awareness of disinformation and foreign intervention is the same as two thousand, sixteen I don't think social media's handling. Of Disinformation is the same as two thousand, sixteen, I don't think that the enthusiasm. Is Anywhere near. The gap we saw in two, thousand, sixteen I. Think there was this narrative that Donald we're going to give Donald trump at try. We'll just see how it goes. That is non-existent obviously when you have donald trump is an incumbent president. That sort of storyline. Really bothers me like I read the other day despite the fact that Joe Biden has been up in the polling the entire time the majority of Americans still think Donald. Trump is gonNA win y'All. Got Talk about that. Well I understand why you feel that way. and. I don't disagree with anything that you've said the piece that I just have to add in for myself mentally. Is All those things that are different from twenty sixteen are different but we don't have anything that tells us what that means. We don't have any reasonable modeling based on demonstrated past results to know how a pandemic is going to shift this election to know how our understanding of disinformation to know how this shift social media response to this information. We'll shift like I understand why news outlets and particularly why people who work on campaigns are hesitant to say yes, looking good. because. where it's looking really bad. Because there are still so many things that are just question marks I. Think. There's also this aspect of me that see stuff and thought the in. Thanks. Of course, even with the pandemic like, no, we don't have modeling for what happens in a pandemic. But anyone who has lived through this pandemic through March. Should not be surprised that senior citizens and women. Are Falling Away. From Donald Trump's leadership during the pandemic in droves because they have been, the ones disproportionately affected senior citizens because they're they are vulnerable to corona virus and women because they're holding up the entire world right now like I just there's a part of me. That's like, of course, of course doesn't this make perfect sense? Doesn't it make sense that if this is a referendum on his handling of covert and then he gets coverted right before the election his numbers are going to bottom out even more like I think there's still a lot of. Unknowns but then to me every time something, we gain more information it fits into to what I know to be true and that that doesn't mean that I'm not still just as invested listen. I gave money to Doug Jones the other day here for that I gave money to now what was Caroline Bordeaux who's running for Mark Meadows Otzi like I think the the other piece of data to come out of this that will be fascinating I. Think the fundraising is through the roof not just about enthusiasm but because during pandemic, that's something you can do. I agree with that one, hundred percent so. There's just a part of it too that like I I don't feel like I see anything that got that makes me go. that's an outlier like just to me like things are that that go in the column of this is what seems true to me and they're falling in place again did I buy plane tickets? Yes, I guess. Just with me forever but. I. Don't know it feels different this time in like every humanly way. Possible. So let's talk about the house briefly. The headline for me anytime I'm talking about the house is that a four, hundred, thirty, five seats. There are twenty two elections considered to be true tossups outrageous. Ages none of us should feel good about that that completely deprives us of a responsive accountable government and To me one of the big reasons that I would like Democrats to have control of the House and Senate is because I believe Democrats are likely to move forward hr one which has been sitting around forever about Gerrymandering We have got to do better than twenty, two, four, hundred, thirty, five seats being competitive. We need more representatives, y'all we don't need to just I'm going to reclaim pack as a positive vibe I want to pack the court I. WanNa pack the House of Representatives Four, hundred, thirty, five people to represent three hundred million is not math I'm comfortable with her that's got to change and look I think that if your instinct is no, that's problem. It's good back away and ask why and I say this is a person who's instinct is now let's keep it the way it is. Sarah has really worked on me about this number. I. Tell my daughter whenever we're talking about belief systems that I don't ever want to have a belief that makes me afraid of new information. If I, translate that to the civic sphere. Away from faith or something like that, and I translate that the civics beer sphere. I don't WanNa have a political ideology that makes me afraid of more people voting or makes me afraid of more people being represented in government that feels like the same kind of closed intellectual loop that would lead me to have a faith that prevents me from taking in new information I. think that's a problem I. Don't I think we should look at so many people voting early and think anything other than well, that makes me proud. I'm so glad that's happening and so when I blow that out to structural changes like allowing Puerto Rico in Washington DC. To be adequately represented in our government I think what would be fearful of more people being democratically represented I I just think that cannot be a problem and if it is then we've really got to ask why and I don't like any of the available answers to why they're to me when I dig into that. Everything gets to something dark and so. Dark and disrespectful and antithetical to what it means to live in it in society where you're supposed to be democratically represented within your republic. So to me. The House will probably remain in democratic control. I've not seen one forecast that shows Republicans taking the house back. but. That's just like not the biggest problem in my mind the setup of the House is fundamentally broken I. Think when I look through all of this, like listen I've been a Democrat since I was eighteen. I'm excited about the concept prospect of democratic control of the House and the Senate and the presidency but I understand not everyone is there with me I get that it presents a very difficult challenge for democratic leadership because we did this before with Obamacare we try to give You know the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith in the other side I. Don't know if I would argue for that this time because of what the leadership has exhibited, the Republican leadership has exhibited over the past four years and even the eight years during Obama. All that to say. If you are a person who is not excited by the prospect of democratic control in the House and the presidency I think I would just point. To. The other thing that gives me hope here, which is just there's energy for change. And I can't imagine many Americans. Look at the state of our politics and the state of our government and think everything's perfect. Let's keep it the same. And even if you disagree. With. The type of change that the Democratic Party typically argues for, and that is completely totally valid what I hope. Comes from this election and from the down ballot elections in the Senate in the House, with your with governors with state reps and state. House representatives was city commissions and city councils and board of Education is energy for Change. I want both sides at the table in good faith. Saying. We don't like how things are and we want them to be different. I hope that that's what comes out of this election and I hope that that energy. Not only flows down the ballot. But out into elected officials and. Community boards and legislators in our states and in our Congress and in your conversations and everywhere because we need it, we need it desperately. Looking for a new podcast listen to. Here's what we love courtesy of a cast recommends. You need to watch the reality it should make you. 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What's on your mind outside of Politics Okay so you had an issue. With beloved Jane. Viewing late into the night. And our inboxes filled up with people saying, I'm starting with the same thing. And I thought I would share my approach because it is very different than yours. Your approach is built around trust that is awesome and it's not the don't trust my kids but I have particular one son who struggles with adhd impulse control. So my approach to screens is very much built around setting him up to make a good choice for better for worse with all of my boys can't just trust in the turn them off and and follow the the screen time limits without some processes. So I thought I would share some that have worked for us in the past for people out there struggling with this. Unfortunately, there is not one size fits all approach to this screen situation. I know I'm saying something that we all totally and completely understand at this point. So it's really changed in our household depending on what device my kids are like super into. So for a while, my two older sons had nintendo Ds is now the nintendo switches have masterful parental controls that I don't understand why we can't institute on everything but that aside the DS didn't have any controls, it doesn't connect to the Internet Blah. So thing that worked really well for us for a while is we would just charge the DS is one week. You want to run them down Monday, run the battery down on Monday, but you're not GonNa get charged again it's very easy thing to control I would keep the chargers myself and I was the only one who could charge the chargers in that was very good approach for awhile. Alas, we did not just stay on the Nintendo DS. And so now we have Disney Circle, which we actually receive food sponsorship of the Show I. Love It. So the Disney circle controls through the router and not through the device. So you can sets green time limits for pads, phones TV's like mine all off I don't know about you but all our kids watch US basically roku streaming, and so that's control through the Internet and so I can pause TV's Pas the Internet and specific devices so that they can't continue to watch them. I can sit screen time limits can filter limits I love that approach. Now before we get the circle, a legitimately have a metal lock box that I lock remotes up. At the end of the night because I was having the middle of the night situation people sneaking out in the middle of the night and going and watching TV. So I would locked literally lock the remotes up because you can't control the remote from the actual television box. So these are all sorts of strategies that I've used interchangeably either literally locking them up or setting filters and screen time limits through circles or like I said through the switch, which has again masterful masterful everybody in the universe in control of screen time limitations filters please go study the nintendo switch in detail that'd be great. Thank you so much but I share that because you know. It's so hard. It's constantly evolving I. Wish we could just hit a moment and be like dusted off. We're done. We figured out the screen time thing but it's something like I spent way too much of my life thinking about and working with and trying to figure out so that my kids have healthy limits in place I had system in place, and then of course, it all got blown up virtual schooling but I just thought you know because I have such a an impulse. Problem that we're trying to like really work with our boys on dealing with I just thought I would share our screen time approach, and if you don't know the genesis of this conversation, it's a good recent sign up for our newsletter right now because I shared in our newsletter, basically I asked Jane to write a report after she had been improperly using technology, and so I wrote one for her as well that included links and assignments and it has actually been really good and she. Social Dilemma Together, which definitely going to do that was an excellent idea. It blew her mind to and it was interesting because I feel like there were ideas in it that I haven't communicated to her in some way before. But the part of it that annoyed me that Vignette with the family kind of personifying algorithms really worked for her. That makes so much sense to me. She really got it and we had a really interesting conversations about it, and so I was I was happy with with the approach. To this problem but I think it's good I. Mean we have to parent there's no one right way to parent and different kids are different different families so that you shared that. The one thing that I just want to mention before we go outside of politics but not really. my text messages this morning when I woke up, were all friends who were just like I'm. Done with everything I'm so tired you texted museum I just need to announce that I hate this week. And just, and as you were texting that, I had another along thread with friends where my last contribution before I went to bed had been I. Don't really WanNa do anything I don't want to eat watch TV I don't WanNa leave my house I don't want to stay here anymore like there's nothing that I really want and so I just think it's healthy and important to say out loud that if that's what your text messages look like you're not alone not alone. Have the energy for those text messages or you feel disconnected from people you're not alone either we are all struggling I kept having moments over the weekend where I thought why am I so tired? But the answer is just because, of course you are, of course, you are like, this has just been an incredibly difficult exhausting gear in ways that we don't have good tools for I'm struggling in addition to this podcast I do coaching clients and I feel like my toolbox is empty because we just don't have tools to meet the demands of this year on our energy, the level of Mike I dunno atmospheric grief that we're experiencing. It's it's. Too much and it's a lot and so it makes me feel better to step back and say this is not that I'm doing something wrong. And there is not a fixed to this that I can do, and so the gentlest way to go through it is to remember that I'm in a large vote with lots of other people. Nobody has a a secret sauce to like heck this year. Yeah. This is. My exact struggle this weekend, I didn't want to do anything I felt completely unmotivated and just tired and my body is doing what my body often does. You know I have this isn't a surprise to everyone who listens to this show. The son of my brain is kind of intense. And so. I can convince myself of a lot of things see previous conversation about Hillary Clinton's inauguration airplane tickets, and I do this with stress, right? I do the classic like well, it's I'm so blessed I have this this is going well, I don't have anything to complain about. And then my body just keeps like. Like knocking ever. So gently on my door and being like you're like you, you're real cute and I love that you have this positive look and you're trying to keep perspective and also I am holding all this tension and I'm going to politely remind you the first couple times and then I'm lock your jaw up and you're gonNA have a killer headache until because you're not listening to my polite reminders like. My I feel like my body is just carrying so much tension and I'm just not I had a conversation with a girlfriend this weekend where we were both just like it's just too much like it's just it's too much and even in scenarios where you feel like you have it under control or it's it's not that bad for you. It just doesn't matter. It's just there's just. So much. Tension and stress and anxiety in the air like even think with the election like I read those polls every day and I know they're positive and still have to acknowledge just the the unknown and how much anxiety revolves around selection and that we're reliving the trauma of the last time we thought we knew things were GONNA go. Okay. Then they didn't like it's just it is. It's so much and it's it's feels. Like. The most intense weight on our shoulders, and that are already scratched up to our ear lobes with tension and anxiety and it is. It is helpful to just articulate it and to understand. Your auto loan. 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Survivors of School Shootings (with Ayme Archer and Loren Kleinman)

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Survivors of School Shootings (with Ayme Archer and Loren Kleinman)

"Politics is listener supported every month listeners from across the country donate anywhere from a dollar two hundred dollars a month to support the show and the work we do here and in exchange they receive exclusive such as extra episodes every month nightly nuance where we share our thoughts on the day's headlines every monday tuesday wednesday and thursday as well as bloopers extended interviews and more head on over to patriots dot com slash pantsuit politics and become a patron today one of the things that was really you know kremlin in kind of the national conversation after that shooting was the rate of shamans turkey of the shooter and the rate of which the community really came together. This is sarah. This is beth. You're listening to pantsuit politics. The home of grace filled political conversations. The nation is in full swing next up michigan with representative hayley stevens and troy michigan on september fourteenth then then we'll be heading to louisville to have a conversation with amy mcgrath on september twenty eighth and then we're we've got tickets for sale yay for dallas and e c so get the lincoln the show notes and get your tickets and come see us live. Were so excited. We hope that you all had a wonderful labor day weekend today. Because of that holiday we are going to share with you a very special conversation that sarah had about if i don't make it i love you. Survivors is in the aftermath of school shootings. This is a heroin collection of seventy narratives covering over fifty years shootings in america written by those most directly directly affected by school shootings survivors the editors amy archer and lauren kleinman reach out to me and asked me to contribute it was a total blessing lessing and honored to be a part of all these survivors of school shootings coming together and sharing their perspectives. We had a really really great conversation. It was healing conversation for me to talk about what the stories among the survivors have in common and how they differ and what everybody can take away from these stories. They're also leading a campaign right now to send the book to every single united states senator in the hopes that these first person perspectives will push the conversation on legislative. They've changed forward. I think the work that they've done is so vital and so important and i'm so happy they came on the show to talk about it. The book comes out today. Tuesday today's september third so it is now available for purchase you can get it wherever you purchase books and without further ado amy and lauren i'm so excited to be joined today by amy archer and lauren kleinman the editors of if i don't make it i love you survivors in the aftermath of school shootings. I'm also thrilled to be a contributor attributed to the anthropology and to have them here for an interview which will publish on the books birthday on the day. The book comes out so amy and lauren welcome so much dependency politics politics. Thank you now tell everyone a little bit about your background. And what led you to put together this amazing book doc so i am a writer. I'm also a mom and so i felt that lauren and i had worked together on a previous anthology in it was called my body my words and we worked with writers writing letters to their bodies and when that was finished we really which is is a rare thing in the art world. We really loved working together on that. We this collaborated really well so we wanted to do another project and and <hes> we we sat down and we both knew that we wanted to do something surrounding gun violence and so that's what brought us to this project we started with the question whatever happened to the kids who survived columbine because like most people in this country i was unaware of heat and i was unaware of thurston and the shootings things that had come before so we started with that question and that's what brought us here in as as writers. I am a memoir isten. Lauren has written memoir warm poultry as well. We are really aware of the power the personal story and we felt that this was an aspect that was missing in this issue yeah yeah i know that any really sums it up. I would also add few the that. We're both teachers so i think there's a natural you know car our idea at least a neon speak for anyone. I say this as reading teachers to help. People tell their story so i was kind of a natural apart part of this process you know in addition to needing a writer at night also bright a lot about my own experience with being a rape survivor kirk and i think there's been a lot of for me. You know a lot of interest in you know. How do you go from you know experiencing extra up to be able to talk about that and how does that. He'll your free will in a way so that was really interesting to me. Even though so you know i didn't have direct experience with gun violence. There was still that hardening dot really wanted to work with her who always wanted to work with. Let survivors from all different kinds of of trauma so that's been really important for me. In terms of you know the power of story laurie and how personal storytelling awesome leads to social justice so how many survivors contributed to the book we have eighty four wow and so what is the range of. How long ago was there shooting to house <unk>. How recent was there shooting yeah. That's <hes> you know we we heard from nineteen sixty six the the texas tower shooting on you know horrifyingly so there are way more nudity that it happened throughout throughout history. I mean you can go back not early. Century nell censorship before and you find a lot of pockets of you know especially as gone you know i would say became more prominent in terms of when you're using that to claim your territory cetera so is a little bit more storing during that time and then salie bringing from nineteen sixty six you know to the santa fe shoot a eighteen. Unfortunately they're still more shootings. Shootings are happening so now. It's it's still an extensive time lied now. When when about what's been really interesting in the united talked about was how reverse chronology of you know we start with you know the santa fe shooting and we end with the taxes tower shooting well. That's what i think so interesting is when you talk about using this to the deal with trauma i think to have that broad range like as someone who experience shooting ice school i would be so interested to you hear from somebody from nineteen sixty six shooting to see how that affects you later in life like it's almost like a concert. It's not just to help the individual person through their trauma by telling their story but it's also sharing and hearing of other people story can almost like a guidebook which i'm devastated that we need such a thing but to allow someone especially coming upon the experience for the first time and to to <music> to follow those stories and to see how people deal within the further away they get from the trauma. I think that's such a like like a great concept in a powerful gift to other survivors. Oh yeah and it's really the story of each chapter is the story of a community. Oh beat overcame this in healed in their own way as did columbine added sandy hook so it's interesting to not only see how the survivors survived in persevered but it's interesting to see how the support that the country gave them changed how the media it's really a snapshot history. Each little chapters really the story of a community in tyne in our country so it's pretty interesting to also look at that yeah. It's really fascinating being from my perspective as survivor in particularly with i know that it doesn't have the <hes> historical impact of columbine but we definitely felt a lot of national support. I can still remember how the halls smell the flowers we got letters from everywhere and the narrative particularly in the media from our community was that we were this hybrid christian community that i mean i did an interview with the national news story like with a bible in my lap talking about how already forgiven the shooter and and how you know we hung walls sign we forgive you because jesus forgave us and so like there was like this really big story about our community about how we forgave him. Hilton moved on in the national media that i mean we've received a lot of support for that obviously particularly from religious communities but to watch that play out over the decades and to see that like now you don't just check forgiveness off your list or check healing off your list. We're done moving on to see how we have continued to to process and deal with breath. This event is a community over time has been really interesting to neo was really a learning experience to talk to the survivors from taxes this for nineteen sixty six. You know just because many of them how it really started talking about it until hartland. Why really not that. You know some opportunity to come forward but you also had some obviously that we're talking about it. <hes> you know anyway prior to our and obviously but it's just really fascinating to me when they talked about eighty of survivor's guilt <hes> you know and also talked to you know just some of the things that we take for you know for example. You know what a computer was talking about how you know the the hot ambulances during that time that we do now so they were actually using hearses as ambulances now. It's you know it's it's just a very different. Just call tree of this was a time when there weren't swat teams. You have the police you know running up air amount so it's very interesting that you look at just generational <unk> yeah the resources that were available ban. How now so it's it's quite fascinating. Well and it's interesting. I have this like new component of survivor's guilt which i'm gonna call activists guilt like there's a part of me that's like do we not push the conversation hard enough the parkland kids did could we have helped somebody if we pushed harder if we'd been more the outspoken if we've done more direct action like you know i was so angry because we had another shooting our community we have literally second-generation school shooting survivors arizona community now and you know everyone was shocked and heartbroken. I was just pissed off. I was just like you know what why surprise like we changed anything anything we didn't change anything and we expect a different result and so like i have this weird like activists guilt because those kids i think pushed the conversation and the movement senate now i think it was it was a confluence of really good funding organization after sandy hook social media and all these changes but i don't think you can discount the power like the just the visceral anger but their anger wasn't just this happened to us is that you see it's still happening and no one's doing anything winging it so it's happening to us in the face of light whereas we were so you know we were still so shocked and i think you still a bit in the particularly with texas like what they're dealing with is that it's not something everyone is acknowledging this ongoing problem. Do you know what i mean like because they weren't as prominent after you know even though that is still one of the top top fifteen most deadly school shooting mass shooting events in the country is still u._t. Austin for nineteen sixty six was awesome right. Yeah okay so one of the things that we came across time after time. After time. Is that activists guilt that you just mentioned <hes> i worked specifically with the schools learning i divided the schools and she worked with texas and virginia tech in a lab at the secondary schools and i worked with some of the high schools so i worked with thurston and heat heat and columbine and you know they were right in a row there and i heard over and over and over again from survivors. I wish we did more. Why didn't we solve this. Why did we fix exis- in to somebody from the outside. I mean i'm i'm the same age as all of you. I was a freshman in college when columbine happened or software regardless guard was but i'm the same age so as somebody coming into this from the outside. My mind was blown that any of you who survived a school shooting felt. You showed us the rest of the country anyway and i was. I remember talking with jamie aimo. She's a survivor from columbine and she ace. She wrote a beautiful piece about feeling guilty that she didn't quote unquote fix this for her children and i remember saying to her like we owed this to you you. Oh you didn't oh this to us so that is very common that it's you're right. It's a different way of looking at survivor's guilt but it's it's very prevalent amongst so schools yeah i mean. I think you see because we're all having kids now. You know our kids are going to school and we're thinking like what should we have done. It and i think you feel like when in the midst of it. You're everyone you're like okay. Surely you will see are suffering and the fact that this seems to be getting worse and do something about it and it's just so heartbreaking to fill like nothing's happening especially when you go through something like that. I cannot fathom how the parents at sandy hook fill because that so you know just it's just a totally other level and the fact that nothing happened after that i mean that's the thing though i try to really push though i don't think nothing happened i think i saw the nothing that i think that the moms demand action and that that organization station and that sort of grassroots well-funded grassroots is why you see i mean they're just they're just laying the groundwork. It's not gonna you know that's gonna. It's gonna happen over time is really interesting to see someone who's watched for so long. I went to the million mom march with my mother and a friend of mine her mother other like after post columbine the organization and the activism that happened post columbine and to see like sort of what happened in like kind of the rise and fall of these different groups ribs in like this feels different to me somebody who's been in it for a long time. I think you bring up a good point to sarah about. Just survivorship workshop in montana directory has been like you know in america because they feel things especially happening with you know survivors array and also women and i know i was in that group of women who did know and didn't report and i still feel so much. Ill you know because you go well. It's gonna keep happening. You know if i don't if i don't report if i don't do something like that idea taking action you know as a part of your her of your healing process of your survivorship of kind of being a part of that larger community and i think right now with having lease from what i've evidencing <unk> waited you i. I really been noticing kind of this. I don't know if appreciation is the right word but you know acknowledge event of what it means to be a survivor known jollity needs to be a survivor and all of the webbing that comes uh-huh with that you know so that you see a lot of that in terms of the e you know moms demand action and you know a lot of work mutations in different laments <hes> that are starting to come across the country. Did you see any other patterns or did you notice anything interesting gene as you took in all these survivor stories and not necessarily with regards to activism but just <hes> the decisions they make or how they felt about their own stories or how their opinions in perspectives were either honored or not honored or how they just how that that identity deep played out across a broad expansive experiences. I think one of the things that you talked about is the forgiveness he's <unk> a and that was that was really fascinates me in terms of how you know how everybody forgives and you know but forgiving coming in terms of <unk> religious community one of the communities that we worked with was west nickel mines sheeting at west nile ryan's and one of the things that was really prevalent in kind of the national congress shed after that shooting was the rate of <unk> amish turkiya india the shooter and the rate at which the community really came together and when i went up to go bit with some families not one the thing that they told me which they thought it was incredibly shocking. Was you know when i asked him about this stadium forgiveness and how fast they were able to forgive von he sets me now. I don't know if i would have felt the same way. If the shooter works live <hes> you know he sets me while revenge yeah and i think that's <music> now probably very natural reaction. If you been hurt to want to take some kind of action but to hear it from some somebody especially from this man was a kind of considered an ally of community for him to say that it was really shocking because it wasn't part of the narrative that was being told about that shooting yeah so for me. That was a it. I opener that there's this private space worst public space but we will be right back after this short message from sponsor sir. It's no surprise rossi's has over one thousand nearly perfect reviews their stylish sustainable comfortable washable really the perfect flats for life. Go when we were in california. My beloved friend leslie's mother. Susan was with us and she was wearing the cutest pair of pink rossi's and i was like ah the pink and she said oh they are perfect. I have been looking for shoes like this forever. I have four nine pairs. It was like as ing and she's just the flat. 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Was that the simple narrative that he was sick and we asia forgive him which really i didn't ever feel a lot of anger towards our shooter like it was just definitely like he's sick and that is true. He is diagnosed schizophrenic like you you know he was sick but at the same time i when i became an adult i read there was a book where the name of it but they were they go and they like like they tell the detailed stories of several shootings and ours was one of them and like hearing about how many people knew how many people he told how the presence of guns in our community just the the nature of guns really contributed contributed to this and like it just but i didn't know any of that because there hasn't been a trial you know like i hadn't heard those perspectives. I hadn't heard that story of what the detail healthiness like the details of what happened and hearing all that really shifted this narrative. I've been telling myself that he was thinking there was nothing we could do and then i hear all these deals online that's not true. You know like that's not what happened. There was a lot going on here beyond a very troubled person you thurston survivors that wrote about the retraumatize ation of having to go every time he's up for parole and against him again wow other aspect of it too yeah putting that wound in there's such a complexity of experience. I would always tell people i'm so glad we went to school the the next day because we needed to be together because nobody understood what we were going well that was very easy for me to say as a person that was in the parking lot right it much harder for somebody who literally stood in the hallways and saw their friend get killed in there was asked to go stand in that spot less than twenty four hours later so we would never due for another victim violence and so like you know that's again. That's an age thing one of the most powerful things i've ever heard and i think it's the trauma of a school shooting in particular. It is from a therapist who said the problem. Was something happens you. When you're young is that you don't have the tools to deal with it in so as you grow and you develop new tools you just have to process it again like you just now i don't. I don't feel at thirty eight that i'm reprocessing this in the way that i did from the age of sixteen to probably twenty six or twenty seven but there were a good ten years where i had digest develop another layer of tools and understanding reprocess and reprocess and that's like like that's brutality of these experiences as a teenager or young person is like you just don't have the capacity to fully take it in an and and process it at that young of an age especially asking to do that with parole hearings and trials and going to the buildings and all that it's such a personal experience. We have to <hes> people who wrote from the j. c. c. in california and they were both shot. Josh depakote was six when he was shot. Mindy finkelstein was his camp counselor and she was sixteen. Both of them were told at the same meeting years and years later by another school shooting victims mother you speak for my daughter. You speak for my daughter who cannot and what was interesting. The thing is mindy the older <hes> victim. She saw that ass. I'm gonna take this and i'm going to do something great with it like this is a gift bestowed upon me by at this woman and josh shot as this is somebody you know my life is being defined for me something that happened to me at six years old and he was more resentful thing because same experience same school saying you know being told the same thing. They both viewed it in very different wet. Oh it's so that that is like the true. I look look at all. My friends and i have realized that a lot of us had very different reactions. It was live is out of your control so ma- like you just take what comes and my reaction which is life can change. It's out out of your control so do it. Take what you can take it because everything could change on a tuesday whereas like they're just a. It's just a small. It's just is the smallest of shifts in their perspectives. Which is everything could change so does man belong. You know what i mean. There's other right wrong about either perspective. It's like total personality owning a lot of ways but it's so we went through the same thing and we organized our life based on that experience in very different ways yeah. I think that's so oh interesting. What else did you see that surprised you as somebody not having this experience just really deep diving into all these i mean you're just you're talking about such a wide variety of ages experiences and perspectives. I think for me i and i you know we've been kind of writing out. These experiences that i was expecting a non expecting things at the take time i know that when i went might therapist has said no. This is the project that i'm you know undertaking she said are you sure you want to do this with your history with your own experience. Do you think you're going to be able to do this. You know it was really hot to being <unk> out because a lot of times when you've gone through that trauma the tendency to either projects in on your own one experiences onto somebody else without realizing that your juliet doing this kind of pain transference you know so it was difficult for me and i i think it was a learning experience. It got me to think about what what's going on with me in relation to what was going on with these survivors you know and also how important it is to be able to talk about what we were going through. You know having another partner there with hill because i don't think i was expecting you know coming from like my body in my words. Which was you know kind of a more relaxed with their media. Tax didn't bring up as as much baggage permai for me that that this was you know something that that really affected me to the point where now i still have to go to therapy for this. They'll have to write about author so things that are conversations with parents that i don't know how i feel about just yet. <hes> you know kind of like being pregnant myself right now and becoming a mom and you know replaying. Some of these stories might have hard for me to take myself of out of that and keep myself in my own life yeah so it's it's really i wasn't prepared. Were really considered. How much overall this project it was really going to kind of live inside of me for as long as it has been in probably for a very long time and i i agree <hes> i started getting involved with moms demand action about three weeks after sandy hook my daughter's. I've twin girls and they were six. They turned six six two weeks before the shooting at sandy. Hook show it just it changed me as a mother as a person as an american it just it absolutely changed me so it was really hard for me. Lauren and i both made the decision to to be there while we were working on this project very really hard for me to not transfer that trauma to my children did see them in not see emily parker or you know some of the kids that were killed. It's really i had to make like conscious decisions to keep the work that i was doing separate from them. <hes> they're twelve now and i've i've spoken to them about school shootings but not to the extent that i want to or i'm comfortable with yet so it's mostly because i can't even bring myself to tell them that. Nothing was really done about this after everything that had happened. It's almost like like an embarrassment so <hes> i i had to make a real conscious choice to keep this away from them. That was very very difficult. It's really interesting. I'll be <music> out. I can't wait to read the book in listen in taking all these perspectives slowly. This'll be a quick way great great for me but with my i boys like it's so interesting i have friends who did not attend heath whose children have a lot of anxiety about school violence and mind don't and i there's a part of me that wonders if you know i never hid it from them. They've known about it since they were very very little but their orientation to it is it happened to my mom. My mom is fine and she's here raising me and she's my mom. You know like it's a really different orientation to the most kids receive. I don't talk talk about. I talk about it as a very sad thing that changed my life and that we need that. Is that is dangerous but i don't think talk about it in a way that i think it's scary and i don't know if that's the difference <hes>. I've never been lie. I just i always talk about it. As a way that's like it was a big thing in my life and it was sad but i don't really talk to them about that. They need to be scared. It's talk. This is a really tough. It's really tough and i don't know if i'm gambling. I don't know if there's a part of my subconscious. That was just gambling. It happened to me. It can happen to my kids. Even though now i know that's not true. I literally have friends friends who happen to their children. Marshall county <hes> so you know it's something i think about every time i leave the home for school <hes> <hes> well in this. This is the conundrum of an american mother. Do i re traumatized my children by explaining that this this can happen by talking about what danger they are in in their schools or do i play the odds game <unk> of that doesn't help l. now. It's out now done in a matter with the active the shooter drills in a matter. You can't keep them from it. 'cause they're going to have to do these drills at school and one thing we've learned with a lot of the recent shootings the santa santa fe the parkland. The marshall county shootings is that you know. A lot of these kids are just running on instinct state. Remember in those moments what to do i i. I'm a big advocate for the drills in terms of staff and back o._t. And teachers and principals yet i really struggle with traumatizing my twelve year olds olds to learn how to survive shooter in their seventh grade classrooms when it might not be necessary. I think our school system made the decision. I think the teachers features did the trainings before the kids got there this year so that the teachers are innocent. Still you know when you say a drill. It's not something that you do once every six months when you look at military drills or police drills it's it's you have to teach your lizard brain to react like that and that's something that's like a massive amount of repetition to achieve that kind of results so the idea that we're gonna pop a five euro through a drill once a semester in its avenue effect is just making there's so many things like the shift in perspective active from being a teenager seeing the adults do these things and rolling my eyes because i thought oh yeah clear backpacks really gonna make a difference and saying that seeing it as an adult all in realizing like why they were reacting like that as a parent because you just wanna think everything but we're so there's a really good book. I don't know if you've ever heard of emily oster use you. If you're pregnant. You should absolutely read her book expecting better. It's the only pregnancy book ever recommend <hes> she's an economist and so she understands what studies are good based based on their structure which studies aren't good and she's talks about like so much of our advice and particularly is just sort of like a mix of like old wives tales and junk signs <hes> but with parents got a new book called crib sheets and she's like as parents were so bad at assessing risk. We're just really really bad at at assessing risk in which are behaviors will actually mitigate the risk and so to be to be purchasing a bulletproof backpack and then not like being concerned with car safety. I doesn't make a lot of sense and second of all. That's not even going to mitigate the risks that you're thinking in about. You know like it's just bad at it. We're just mad at him as parents in human beings to you also have to look at it interesting and going back to the folks that were there at the u._t. Oshun shooting that if you look at historically when we when i was talking about we were talking about you know the drills at senator acknowle while now we had to do it when we did the uncovered roles now yeah the the whole war in again they're like how is this going to help us the dead he he took a couple of non including <unk> talked about this my father had said you'll how traumatized was for them. You know we don't look at that. You know aw that he's his wallet but i think you know it's. It's something that's kind of been going on in this country or a while a lot of this kind of this year but the there is the difference there is they're not dropping. Nukes on canada or texas is at eappen. Yeah yeah so true. What i'm saying is that you know that there there was it was still a traumatic experience for for those students yet. It was still something that they lived with us for a very long time that threat. I'm talking talk about that. You know living when you're under frat. Yup reacts yeah yeah. It's so art and that kind of threat that so amorphous and well. It's intangible reaction you. Don't you know it's abstract. It's nothing that you can really you know. If i now some comment me you know. I need to have a chance mandalay away from it. You know but it's you know it's one of the things that i played <unk> but you know a lot of my family. You know my husband tally in the military in one of the things i got a friend about was at the battle collusion was saying you know all of this training that we did to protect ourselves matt no really meant nothing law air you know because you you know that it's not but how when you assess the threatened that way you know know that you're gonna be safe and i think just that fear of allied and a buffet is not i developed that is going through a raven even being in strange places or you know. How am i gonna protect myself when i know that there are threats out there but i can't really see it all the time well. I think that this book is so valuable right now because i do see someone who's been watching this for a long time for better for worse. I think the increase in mass shootings in environments outside of a school has shifted shifted the conversation. I think particularly the proximity in time of el paso in dayton two very different locations that stretch across the country into into places that you don't need to have little kids to be thinking about all the time everybody goes to walmart okay and everybody goes to bars so i think most everybody and so i think that like those those those locations it it it you know pushed it to a place where people realized a like. This is just this is going to get closer me closer to a closer to me closer to me and so i think having these perspectives in this book got out here right now for people to understand like what is this. This doesn't stop when the cameras stop rolling. This doesn't mean this doesn't change this keeps affecting people long long after there's another mass shooting that soaking up all the oxygen and the national narrative and so i just thank you guys so much for putting this together other for reaching out to the survivors for asking me to contribute like i think it's gonna be so powerful and i i really i can't thank enough thank you. We all i mean it. It's been the hardest year of our lives. I would say lauren probably but also the most rewarding. I mean it's been an amazing experience. I was i just want to say i was very lucky to have learned to go through this with because we had many shared phone calls with tears ears and and just the vicarious trauma that we experienced her. This and it's our hope that you know now. We're doing a fundraising campaign to send a copy of this book to every sitting senator. 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Constitutional Primers: Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments

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Constitutional Primers: Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments

"One of the best ways to stay involved with a pantsuit politics. Community is to follow us on instagram we often share our of the moment thoughts on the news of the day and our instagram stories and we have also begun sharing extended content from our tuesday episodes in our t._v. Strain aka youtube for instagram so if you find yourself thinking man i wonder what sarah beth thinking thinking about this head on over to instagram and you'll probably find an answer you can follow us at paint sue politics on instagram. The constitution institution and its amendments are the foundation of our democracy and the center point of so many controversies in american politics. We decided to take these important amendments one by one and go back to basics basics. If freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are enshrined as fundamental values. We wanna understand them on a deeper historical level. We put together this series on the amendments to to do just that. During america's colonial era britain passed many laws to increase revenue collection americans felt oppressed oppressed and began to find ways around these taxes including smuggling the king of england took action and equipped british agents with a writ of assistance that gave them extremely broad powers to search a person and their property without permission the the founding fathers drew on those experiences and believed every person had a god given right to be protected in their own home right of the people to be secure in their persons persons houses papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized today <music> as the population increases technology advances and solving crimes becomes more complex. The question has been raised. How much is enough to to warrant probable. Cause should americans have to sacrifice their privacy for safety and how far should law enforcement be allowed to go now more than ever it is important to know oh and understand our rights. We as a nation cannot move forward unless we understand our past. This is constitutional primers and there's a question about what the police can do to you when they pull you up. Can they pull you over for no reason. There's now my honor to sign into law the u._s._a. Patriot act of two thousand. It's clear now that we didn't do enough to prevent these tools from being used for aren't as does google no. I was sitting here and then i moved over there. I the only send audio back to amazon when i hear you saying the wake work for more information and to amazon's privacy notice as at the help section of your alexa app <music>. I'm here with angela j davis. She is the editor of policing the black man arrest prosecution and imprisonment. She is also a professor of law at american university's washington college of law and former head of the d._c. Public defender service. She's also my criminal law professor and taught me everything thing. I know thank you so much for being here. Professor davis thank you for having me sarah. We are so excited. We are going to walk through some of the criminal law constitutional amendments. It's in an effort to better inform people above and beyond what they've picked up from law and order which i think is an important public service. We're going to start with the fourth amendment which i'm gonna read. It is the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons are things to be seized now. That's a lot of language but what i always always tell people that you taught me professor. Davis is if the police ask if they can search you or your car. You say no. It doesn't matter you just say no to can you search no. That's what i tell people my number one lesson from law school well yeah i mean i think it depends. I that's definitely that would be my instinct. <hes> but you have to use your judgment depending on who you are where where you are the circumstances but it's important to know that you have the right to say now. I think that's that's the important thing and i don't think people feel like that all the time. Yeah i think that's right. This amendment doesn't say that you have the right to be free of all searches and seizures. It also doesn't say that a warrant is required flyer. It says no warren shall issue but upon probable cause what it says that you have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and so the supreme court has gone through a whole bunch of cases that define what that means you know what is an unreasonable search and what is an unreasonable seizure and it's also so interpreted the amendment to basically mean that there's a presumption that there should be a warrant but there's so many exceptions to that rule and a lot. The people believe that the exceptions eat up the rules so like for example. There's something called exigent circumstances. If it's an emergency situation the cops come to a house and they hear guns going off in the house then they don't have to run and go get a warrant why because it's it's an it's an emergency because someone could hurt or harmed or if they i think that someone's destroying evidence that they come to a house and they believe someone is in the process of destroying evidence. If they went to get a warrant by the time they got back evidence would beyond so exigent circumstances is one of those exceptions. Another exception is consent so if you can set to a search you know if the police say hey. Can i search your car and you say yes then of course they don't have to go and get a warrant but what you just said is so true a lot of people most people. I think don't believe that they can and say no. They think they have said they don't see a request from a police officer as a request they see it as demand even being asked because police are in a position with artie already and sometimes when they ask nicely and people are afraid and they think that they can't say no. I think that's totally true. I mean i before i went to law school. I didn't feel feel like i could say no. I didn't even feel like it was a question. I felt like it was a demand. So that's the the basics of the amendment. What do you feel like people misunderstand most just about the prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure. I think the main thing they misunderstand that should accept people think there has to be a warrant people think that police officers always have a warrant only a few instances in which they have to have a warrant to either search or to see so this whole notion of searches and and seizures. You're talking about searching property or searching people seizing property or seizing people so when you're talking about seizing person you really talking about. There's a lot of different ways. Police officers can do that so if a police officer just come up to you and says hey you know. Can i talk to you. <hes> you can say no and you can simply walk away. According to the supreme court you don't have to stay there but if they want to force you to stay there forcibly detain can you they. They have to have what's called reasonable suspicion which is really low standard a reasonable suspicion to believe that you're involved in some criminal criminal behavior they have to have that in order to forcibly detain you to ask you questions investigate further and if they want to frisk you they have to have reasonable suspicion to believe that you're armed and dangerous so you've heard of stop and frisk data mckay's called terry versus ohio and so the court said that if a police officer it has reasonable suspicion to believe that crime is afoot they can stop that person temporarily. It's not like an arrest. They can't take in but they can stop temporarily talk to you. Ask you questions to try to determine whether you're involved in some criminal behavior and if they believe reasonable suspicion to believe that dangerous they can do a frisk which is basically <hes> <hes> <hes> a pat down of your outer clothing a flat hand pat down to close. We can't go inside your clothing and by doing that pat down. They feel something that feels like a weapon a knife or a gun or anything uses a weapon they can actually reach inside and remove it and then by that time they may have developed what's called probable cost which is a little bit it higher of a standard that will allow them to arrest you and that's the more permanent kind of seizure where they can actually take you in a rescue for crime so there are a lot of different levels of seizures under the fourth amendment but how i know that this is your particular area of expertise that all sounds well and good but how does that play in in the real world especially with regards to issues of racial justice and racial profiling yes. I'm glad you asked that question. It reasonable suspicion is such a low standard standard than mary easy for police officers to stop a person forcibly and so this issue so it really has permitted police officers this is to gauge in racial profile which is basically police officers stopping a person not because they have reasonable suspicion to believe they're involved in crime but they're stopping them based on race. They look at you know see a group of young black men or boys standing on a street corner. You know maybe they're just. They're chatting talking. They look at them. They see you black a black boy or black man and they immediately think criminal even if they're doing anything obvious right they may see a group of white kids standing on a street corner and see them that they're hanging out having fun and see a group of black boys doing the same thing thinking oh they're up to no good and so that's where the racial profiling comes in i and it really it has become such a pervasive problem and unfortunately because the supreme court has allowed this low standard it really permits police officers. This is to do this now. Of course it is unconstitutional to discriminate against the person based on race that goes to the equal protection clause right. You can't treat people differently based based on race. You can't discriminate but the supreme court and the series of cases as made it very difficult to prove discrimination. You have to prove that the police officer contended to stop you because you're black not for some other reason and because they can always come up with some other reason they can hide or mask the true reason which which is that it's because you're black and a lot of times. You know a lot of times. It's honestly i think with some officers. Even i think subconscious right is what we call implicit yeah. That's exactly what i was gonna say yeah. And how are you going to prove that if they don't even believe it exactly you really can't there are no legal remedies for that. That's the problem. I mean you even have black police officers who are doing it right. They have this bias as well and i think you know all of suffer from implicit bias right these unconscious views that we have about people based on not just raised skin color body type body size gender sexual orientation we all suffer from those implicit biases but the problem is that when a person in a position of power like a police officer is acting on that implicit bias to take away a person's freedom that's when it has even more serious implications and so <hes> the only ks. I'm aware of where someone has challenges. Successfully challenged racial profiling is the case out of new york city called all the floor case floor versus new york and it's an extraordinary case decided a number of years ago three or four years ago where the center for constitutional rights basically made a case and they actually because they had extraordinary evidence they actually had police officers who were sort of whistle blowers and undercover recorded their supervisors telling them you know who to stop basically telling them to stop black and brown people and so they made this case this class action and they actually one. It's an extraordinary case but that's the only case i'm aware because they had explicit evidence that it was being done based on race and usually you're not gonna have that kind of evidence so it really allows unfortunately this pervasive practice of racial profiling to go on and of course so many of these cases of racial profile had some pretty catastrophic results where police officers start out stopping the person and then it escalates and you know in recent years we've heard so much about young black men and boys on armed black. Men and boys being killed by police officers. Many of those instances started in my view with racial profiling. We will be right back after after this short message from our sponsor with america's number one meal kit hellofresh. You'll get easy seasonal recipes and premeasured ingredients delivered right to your door. 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Speak speaking language with confidence <music> okay. Let's move on to the fifth amendment. No person shall will be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on resentment or indictment of a grand jury except in cases arising in the land or naval forces or in the militia when an actual service is a time of war or public danger nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice. Put in jeopardy of life or limb shelby compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself nor be deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation so there's a lot in there but we're really we're. We're not gonna worry too much about all this stuff about the grand jury especially the land or naval militia. We're willing to pay attention to nor xiaobi compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself nor be deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law. So how has that played out in constitutional law yeah so a lot there as you pointed out right. There's the double jeopardy clause. You know the right have a grand jury. The one thing most people most relevant any way for for criminal long from a procedure procedure is the privilege against self-incrimination nor shall any person be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself the famous movie moment where people always take the the minute the fifth amendment we always hear about people saying i plead the fifth and people jokingly when they're talking to their friends and they don't want to say something and they say that's what they're talking about the fifth amendment but basically what it's what it's all about is that you know in this country. We say that if the government is going to take away a person's liberty the burn of proof is on the government. They have to prove we don't require people are coming to prove their innocence their presumed to be innocent and the government manhattan to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt so for that reason the that individuals should not be compelled to be a witness against himself because it's not their burden to do do that and it's also the porn part of that is nor show that person be compelled to be a witness against himself and what that means the government can't force you to talk. We don't live in a society well. We shouldn't live in a society. I guess we can think of examples where this has been violated but we don't. We don't live in a society where you know. We torture people to make them talk now. Of course we've heard that that's happened a lot in the national security around you know and and all of that but in criminal cases it's against the law if they violating the constitution specifically with them for police officers opposite try to force a person to talk and that can come how many different in many different ways right so in modern days. We don't hear that many cases if any police officers beating person till they talk i mean it happens. There's no question but that it happened but a lot of times they will use psychological techniques against an individual and and other techniques needs to compel that person so for example uplift if they hold us back for hours and hours without food or drink or they have police officers who are tricking them into talking talking lying to them saying things to them that are to try to break them down and make them talk. There are all kinds of examples of that. They're modern ways police officers doing then and that's a violation should be a violation of the fifth amendment because it's about forcing a person to talk and so that that's really what this is all about like the person cannot to not be forced to talk and the other thing that's developed from and the other case that has developed from is miranda. A lot of people heard about miranda rights. We hear it on t._v. Of a police officers reading people their miranda rights you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you quote of law. You have a right to have an attorney. If you can't afford one would be provided for oh you those rights come out of this case call miranda versus zona. It's not in the text of the fifth amendment but the supreme court is interpreted miranda to it'd be a constitutional right that is police officers before they question a person if they have a person in custody and those are the two requirements that the person's in custody and they're being questioned and police officers must read them their miranda rights before that questioning happens and so you know if a person's rights are not read to them or they're not read thoroughly to them or if they choose not to waive their rights and <hes> police officers questioned them anyway or or that that's a violation of of the fifth amendment so there are two issues is that a voluntary statement right was a given freely or did they compel me. Did they force me to <hes> to speak. That's a violation. The second was did they read me. My miranda rights <hes>. Did i wave them. If i wave them was that waiver free voluntary intelligent waiver or what what do they force me to wave them so there's a lot of issues there <hes> but it has to do with police questioning and of course it also goes into the courtroom. A person is not compelled tale to testify so when you see trials you know the burden of proof is on the government. The defendant doesn't have to testify. They're not required to testify. They're not required right to put on any evidence they can simply sit there and force the government to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and just have their lawyers cross examined. The government's witnesses witnesses. If they choose to testify they can but he can't be forced to why because of the fifth amid they can't be forced to so a good example is the o._j. Simpson case which is use that all the time because there's all kinds of from that case right there's all kinds of examples that i use it from from that case in many of my my classes that i teach but so when he went to trial and his criminal case right he did not testify he can be forced to testify testify us found not guilty but he was sued by the families and there he did have to testify why because it's a civil case and they had to have depositions and derogatory and he had to answer those right so it's very different whether it's criminal or civil can't be forced in a in a criminal case in and that's all because of the fifth amendment limit now i do want before we move onto the sixth amendment. I think there's another thing some people maybe don't understand or doesn't seem right and i think it's a really good point to just take a him and explain which is let's. Let's say that police officers either in search searching you or questioning you or failing to read your miranda rights that they make a mistake and they violate your constitutional rights so there's a principle called fruit of the poisonous tree where if you the evidence that they gathered after they've violated did you're right is thrown out. Can you explain that. I mean it's sort of like our enforcement power. I think it's really important to understand that point because i think some people are like they did in the evidence shows they did. Why would you throw the evidence out right so glad you raised that so there's nothing in either the fourth amendment with the fifth amendment that is provide a remedy if the cop molly you're you're right just says they can't do it but it doesn't say what if anything happens to them if they violate your right so something there's something called the exclusionary rule that courts have developed which basically says that if police officers let's go. Let's go back to the fourth of metaphor minute. They break into your house without a warrant. There's there's no exception to the warrant requirement and they see some drugs and you're charged with possessing those drugs well. If they violate your rights the remedy you get but those the drugs are thrown out of court in other words. The government is not allowed to use those drugs and criminal trial against you and if they can't use the drugs then they can't make their case and the case ends up being dismissed and the reason for that is there has to be some kind of remedy to deter police officers from doing it again right <hes> if there's no remedy then they're just gonna keep violating. You're right now. There are plenty of people arguing. I get their point is that that's not really a great great remedy because nothing really happens to the top themselves right. I mean the case gets thrown out but is that really going to deter police officers. Why don't we do something else. I don't we punish police officers. When are we prosecute them. Well those are all all suggestions that have been made by scholars and others but today the collusion era rule remains the remedy same thing with the fifth the mini your statement if it's if it's taken in violation of the fifth amendment either because police officers beat it out of you or because they did not reach your miranda rights. The remedy generally is that your statement may not be used against you in your trial right. They can use other evidence but if you confess that confession cannot be introduced in your trial jury will never hear about it and the reason for that again is there there has to be some remedy to to deter police officers from engaging in that unconstitutional austin behavior in the future again. I think there's an argument to be made that in. Maybe it's not the most effective remedy maybe there should be some other <hes> some other punishment of the offices this themselves that might be more effective but <hes> so far the exclusionary rule is the is the remedy that that course of recognize it here. I should say this. It's also let me just make one other point about that. So what happens is it's because what happens if your rights are violated but you end up not being arrested so let's say the cops break into my house and tear my house up just looking for drugs and they didn't have a warrant and so they violated the fourth amendment and they find anything so then what happens there's nothing excluded from trial because they're not only on that arrested so that's when you have to sue and there's a lot of different ways. You can file file a lawsuit but that's hard <hes> you know there's there could be some state law state statute that you could use. There's a federal law close section section nineteen eighty-three but it's very difficult for one thing you know you got to hire a lawyer and found a lawyer who's gonna wanna take the case and if they're not a lot of damage is done done where they don't think there's going to be a big settlement. They may not take the case. You know so. That's a lot more difficult when you're in interestingly enough. I wanna say it's more difficult okay. I'll say it is difficult. If you are an innocent person who's not charged with a crime. It's still hard right to sort of get a remedy. If your fourth or fifth amendment emma righter violated the new season of cereal is like doing i don't know if you're listening to it but they're basically like camped out in the cleveland courthouse in their following all these cases and all these different and they've done such a good job. I think of giving real world implications of this like they had. I mean they have this like pete. This police force in part of cleveland just locking people up in storage rooms james basically with no food with no bathroom and i mean the what's happened is if if they go to a lawyer and say i want to sue them. The city's like we don't have we're. I i mean we're bankrupt as a city. What are you going to do is for like it's just i don't have an even if you could find a lawyer that would want to would want to take the case. You're soon a deadbeat city. That doesn't have any money to to pay out any damages based on your constitutional rights being violated. Yep conditionality traumatized jeez yeah. That's another problem yeah. You're absolutely right. Okay so onto the six minute and all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed. It'd which district shall have been previously entertained by law and to be informed by the nature and cause of the accusation to be confronted with the witnesses against him to have compulsory processes for obtaining witnesses is in his favor and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence so lay at the basics of those those a constitutional rights for us. Yeah lot's lot's going on here to most having to do trial rights right the right to speedy trial which has been interpreted as by courts is really not so speedy. I mean it's very difficult to make that claim <hes> the right to confront the witnesses against you meaning. That basically means that if you're at a trial then your lawyer has a right to cross examine those witnesses to try to show that they're are not credible etc to defend you. You have the right to compulsory process to pay witnesses and your favorite show to subpoena witnesses to come to come to court and the one that that is i think discuss the most is probably the right to have the assistance of counsel for your defense so the court in a case call get in versus wainwright basically said that even if you can't afford an attorney you have to have an attorney appointed to you and later cases of interpreted to me if you are facing in six months or more in prison so for minor misdemeanours. You're actually don't have a constitutional right to attorney but for anything that cares six months more the state if they just required to provide an attorney for you and i have to say you know the promise of get in has not been fulfilled. We have a real crisis in indigent in this country. <hes> most people charged with crimes. The vast majority of people charged with crimes are poor people. That's not to say that the vast majority of people commit crimes. It's it's just the kinds of crimes that prosecutors choose to prosecute. They don't prosecute a whole lot of white collar crimes and environmental crimes a lot of other crimes that caused a lot of a lot of people but they do new prosecute a lot of street crimes and the vast majority of people who are charged with those crimes are poor and so they are they should be appointed attorneys and the the system system of public defense in this country is a mess really i mean there are some jurisdictions some states that have really good public. Defender systems like like the district of columbia has a really good system. The the state of washington has a good system. New york has fairly good system <hes> where they're fair. You know fairly well funded. Hey there you can hire experts and they can spend the amount of time that's necessary to represent a person in a criminal case but there are other stays like louisiana. <hes> you know missouri and others. There's an absolute crisis where you have public defenders carrying eighty nine hundred cases each where there is. There's no way they can provide adequate representation and it's a shame because many of these lorries are committed not all not all public defenders are committed but many of them are truly committed hardworking people who really want to do a good job but they're in offices where they are just simply not the resources available to really conduct a good adequate defense offense and so they end up counseling people on plea bargains people like assembly line justice we have we think we have this great system of trials files but really ninety five to ninety eight percent of all criminal cases are resolved by way of a guilty plea. There are a lot of guilty watch law and order anything all these trials going on not a lotta trials going on lots of guilty pleas going on because people are put in a position where you've prosecutors who overcharged. You got overworked public defenders. Who prosecutors ask you to come and say. I'll give you guys deal. Gotta take it today if he doesn't take it today. The deals off the table. The defense attorney can say well look. I have this ethical duty to investigate investigate the case to see if there's a defense on my client the prosecutor says too bad ticket or leave it and these poor public defenders untenable position of quote unquote advising <unk> ising their clients basically saying this is the deal. I you know you might have a defense. I don't know but if you don't take the deal today. It's off the table so you know this is what's passing as justice unfortunately in the united states of america every day so we really need to do a better job of supporting our public defender systems <hes> i'm in a training public defenders and just funding and when you think about it you know the peop- they don't public defenders don't really have or people who are charged with crimes. Don't really have anybody lobbying for them in the state legislatures right. I mean you know poor. People are generally not in a position to do that and so the rest of us have to care enough about our system of justice to to demand that our public defender systems b. a. b. well-funded justice system is supposed to work. It's you know it's an adversarial system where we have a well-funded yeah well trained prosecution any well-funded and well trained fence and then we have a judge you know who's presiding over but if both sides are not funded well and i trained ain't will then we're not getting justice in criminal justice system and we're not today we aren't. We really need to do a better job of that all of us. All citizens should care about this issue because us you know there before the grace. I'd go is the saying you never know when you're a member of your family is going to be in that position so we need to all care about our justice system incur that it works in a way that they're just for everyone. I think that is a perfect note to end on. I think looking at the constitution as not set in stone with flaws that are not serving the entirety of our population and understanding that something that doesn't serve the entirety of population is a risk to all of us. I couldn't agree more well. Thank you so much professor davis for coming on our show. It's been so incredibly helpful thank you. Thanks so much for having me dylan. Garvan produces pantsuit politics every week. Thanks for making a sound better dylan. 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Five Things You Need to Know About Impeachment

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26:49 min | 1 year ago

Five Things You Need to Know About Impeachment

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We're going to continue our conversation about the fallout from the Muller report and the hard decisions facing, particularly Democrats. But I would argue that all of our representatives in congress have some tough choices to make in light of the report. So today, we're going to share with you five things you need to know about the impeachment process. And before we do we sincerely invite you to join us tomorrow at my home church Florence Christian church in Florence Kentucky. That is Saturday April twenty-seventh, we will be doing a public event to talk about our book. I think you're wrong. But I'm listening guide to grace filled political conversation, if you have not gotten yourself a copy of our book, we hope that you will do that. And would love for you to join us. They're all the details will be in our show notes. All right who's excited impeachment? Let's do it. We got five things. Let's start at the beginning. Impeachment has always been a controversial. Topic including for the founding fathers during the process it was a heavily debated by the framers. They knew they wanted to impeach federal judges that part wasn't controversial. Clearly they needed a way to remove people who had been appointed for a lifetime in the first couple hundred years. Lots of it was for drunkenness. But there were concerns about impeaching the president. There were framers who thought. Okay. Well, if we need to remove a president. It's not a lifetime appointment, so we have elections we have a mechanism to do that. But most of the framers still wanted the ability to keep the executive in check so much. So that they made impeachment part of the constitution before they really even defined the contours of the presidency. So it became a question of how do we do this? If we want the ability to do it. There were concerns that congress would lack the resolve to impeach because the president controls executive appointments, and I've had that someone had written impish members of congress might. Want those appointments and might not have the political will to go against the executive they considered using the judicial branch for impeachment exercises. But ultimately, they followed the British model. I think ultimately what they were really concerned about is they want everyone accountable to the constitution. And I think it's so easy to forget. Unless you listen to Hamilton regularly or have read the biography that the monarchy really hung over everybody's head like they were so concerned about creating a powerful position that could launch into a monarchy, they were afraid of certain factions within the framers themselves who really just wanted a monarchy. And so I think impeachment was this. Everybody has to be accountable to the constitution, including the president because otherwise were sitting up somebody above the constitution. And then we're ending up in monarch territory, which is what we do not want. So the constitution defines impeachment and article two section for the president vice president and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on. Impeachment for and conviction of treason bribery. Here's the kicker or other high crimes and misdemeanors. The second thing we want you to know is that impeachment itself is an indictment and the process from their mirrors criminal Justice process. In a lot of ways the house of representatives is the body to determine that impeachment is happening. So it's like they issue the indictment, and then they go to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. The only remedy for impeachment is removal from office. And in some cases, the Senate can also decide that a person will not be eligible to run for office. Again, I think that language is really messy. I think people say it like impeachment means removal from office. But in reality, they're different things. Right. It is a two step process. So the house introduces an impeachment resolution, and then we go from there. I kind of went down a deep dark hole of impeachment resolutions and currently. There are two impeachment resolutions because it all starts because an individual member has to introduce this resolution. Right. So in January you have Representative Sherman Representative to leave. They both have resolutions calling for the impeachment of Donald Trump in the current. Congress Representative green in Representative Sherman also filed impeachment resolutions in two thousand seventeen. So they're already resolutions in front of the house that individual members have filed. Also, so interesting if you go back and look at all the resolutions filed overtime. Here's a fun fact Beth did you know that Mark meadows filed an impeachment resolution against rod Rosenstein. I did know that. Yes, we can always count on Mark meadows. He's people's work. Yeah. And then there were tons of resolutions, individual member resolutions against Rumsfeld and Cheney, and George W Bush a lot of them filed by Dennis Choson inch of I remember Dennis Kazan age. So it's really interesting to go back and look at these. Individual resolutions, especially when that was at a point in time where everyone knew they weren't going anywhere. I wish I could find some data on how common these individual resolutions were during the eighteen hundreds. But I I couldn't quite find that I wonder if they've gotten more common overtime. But that's how it starts an individual member files an impeachment resolution, then the speaker of the house must direct the US house committee on the judiciary or a special committee. If they wanna set one up to hold a hearing on the resolution to decide whether to put that individual members resolution to a vote by the full chamber and wind hold such a vote. So all you need on the judiciary committee to approve the resolution and put it to a full vote of the house is a simple majority. And then if the judiciary committee by a simple majority approves the resolution, it goes to the full house, and you only need a simple majority in the full house to move over to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. So if. The house were to vote to impeach then the judiciary committee would appoint managers of impeachment. And that's usually people who are on the judiciary committee themselves. So Eric swallow, for example, has talked quite a bit about how he would be one of the prosecutors of impeachment. This is what he's talking about that he and -ticipant sit as a member of the judiciary committee. He would go into the Senate as a manager of the impeachment process, the number of managers varies, but historically, it has been an odd number of people the partisan composition of managers also varies, but they do have to be people who support the action. We don't have some kind of rule that you must have representation of the other party such that you could have a manager of impeachment who thinks impeachment is about idea, and is there to sort of sabotage the trial. So that's the indictment process. So let's pretend the house is like the grand jury, and they have to vote by simple majority that there's enough here to charge. And now that. Impeachment is the charge. Okay. Number three thing you need to know. Now that charge quote, unquote. The impeachment goes to the Senate, and then it becomes much more like the actual trial. The Senate is like a juror, and they have to have a two-thirds majority an order to convict the impeach person. So that's where the trial unfolds, quote unquote is in the Senate since the nineteen eighty s the Senate has used impeachment trial committees to hear evidence compiler record and present the evidence to the Senate and that practice has been a little bit controversial. There have been people who think that violates the spirit of the process, but the full Senate gets access to all of that evidence before they vote individual senators have to declare that they're going to uphold their responsibilities and exercise due diligence. This does unfold like a trial, though, the officer being impeached has a right to present evidence through attorneys to call witnesses to cross examine witnesses, and then the Senate deliberates it takes its vote, and it files its. Judgment with the secretary of state. So this was really interesting when I was looking into the history of different presidential impeachments, particularly Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. They talked about Andrew Johnson's functioned much more like an actual trial. There were witnesses but Bill Clinton's basically because the outcome was really never in doubt. It was quote unquote a dreary proceeding. And it was just really the house managers the house members of the judiciary committee who were serving as the prosecutors and Clinton's defense, lawyers, basically, just statements. There was no witnesses. There wasn't a lot of like what you would expect from an actual trial. My favorite, quote, I read about this was judge William Rehnquist who the chief Justice of the supreme court presides over this trial. So he presided over Bill Clinton's impeachment trial in the Senate. And he said, I did nothing in particular. And I did it very well. Well, the fourth thing for you to know, and this is very relevant to what Sarah was just talking about with Bill Clinton's impeachment trial. It's really hard to know, what is impeachable and what the standard for convicting is in the Senate, the founders were worried about treason and bribery, specifically, those seemed obvious to the founders, and they still seem obvious today. But what else? Was difficult row. They considered the term maladministration and decided that was too vague. They really did not want congress to have its hand around the throat of the executive at all times, they did not want impeachment to become we just don't like the way you are discharging your duties in this office. They also thought a lot about what kinds of crimes are impeachable because they seem to want this connection between the office itself and the action in order to impeach. And so they settled on this language from Britain other high crimes and misdemeanors that had a really specific meaning at the time in Britain that phrase denotes crimes by public officials against the government. And that's where I think about that sort of connection between the way you're exercising. Your duties and the action that congress finds unacceptable. It was really interesting as I was pulling down the deep dark hole of impeachment resolutions would also came up in my impeachment. Search of congressional legislation is there's been quite a few members who have introduced bills to try to like flush this out a little bit more in define it. Then don't go anywhere. But there are people. I think out there trying to put some firm legs around this particular phrasing. I think it's something we've always struggled with famously in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight the House Republican leader, Gerald Ford, defined an impeachable offenses, whatever a majority of the house of representatives will vote for. But if we're looking back at the history since we're using the British phrasing. This is from the constitutional rights foundation since thirteen eighty six the English parliament has used high crimes and misdemeanors as one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown officials accused of high crimes and misdemeanors were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by parliament promoting themselves. More deserving candidates threatening to grand jury disobeying an order from parliament arresting a man to keep him from running for parliament that seems really strong losing ship neglect to more it helping us oppress petitions to the to call parliament granting warrants without cause and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes others were not the one common denominator is that. All these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office. And therefore it was seen as unfit to serve. This is also from the constitutional rights foundation for more than two hundred years. Since the constitution was adopted. Congress has seriously considered impeachment only eighteen times thirteen these cases involved federal judges, the high crimes and misdemeanors that the house charged against these judges included being habitually drunk as Sarah said so much drunkenness showing favoritism on the bench using judicial power unlawfully using the office for financial gain unlawfully punishing people for contempt of court submitting false expense accounts, getting special deals from parties appearing before the court bullying people in open court filing false income tax returns, making false statements while under oath and disclosing confidential information, so there's a spectrum of conduct that has been considered over the years. But important to note, we haven't done this a lot even in our two hundred years. This is something that we haven't considered. It's clear from the history that the founders. Wanted some flexibility around this process, and they knew the kind of conduct that people might engage in will change over time. There are probably scenarios we cannot imagine. As we write these words today, and they were really focused on maintaining this delicate balance of everyone being accountable and also the branches of government being Coequal and the Coequal nature of this process. The Coequal branch nature of this process is especially interesting when you consider that the supreme court definitively have said that courts have no oversight role and impeachment. It is not justiciable it is purely a political process. So some people have said the burden of proof in an impeachment trial should be proof beyond reasonable doubt. Who's going to enforce that accord cannot enter into this equation in any respect it is purely left to congress. I hear you saying that. I also hear the president saying the supreme court will defend him. He's wrong. Is there is there any truth to that? Now. He's just wrong. The court will not get involved in this process. And I don't know if that's a good thing or not. But it is a thing. It is a decided thing. Have you ever thought about the power? We have is everyday consumers every time we pull out our wallets. We will an amazing amount of influence over what products get made and how they get made. That's why packed payroll and ecoconscious clothing company is committed to empower and consumers by being completely transparent with what goes into their clothes. So what's in these super soft organic close packed uses only? One hundred percent organic cotton and other sustainable materials made in fair trade, certified factories where workers are valued and respected what they don't use toxic dyes synthetic fertilizers chemicals and other row stuff. You don't want touching your skin or in your water supply act is on a mission to democratize organic. So they can price their close fairly. 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Judges one Senator one cabinet secretary in two presidents, Andrew Johnson in eighteen sixty eight and Bill Clinton and nine hundred ninety eight the third president we're talking about of course, is Richard Nixon who resigned as impeachment proceedings were increasingly likely now Fred old judges have been impeached convicted and removed for a variety of offenses again drunkenness, but you still have only eight federal judges total that have been removed. Now here is something fun. I learned Beth did you know that one of the former federal judges who was convicted by this in it of extorting abrybrothers and then removed from his office as judge is now a member of congress sometimes. Democracy seems like not a great idea. And I just have to tell myself it's worth it. We get things wrong. And we just keep going. We just keep moving forward. Even when we get things wrong. Okay. So let's talk about the president's. You went down a deep dark tunnel about Andrew Johnson. Tell us about his impeachment. President Johnson was the only Senator from a southern state who stayed loyal to the union during the civil war. And that is a big deal and president Lincoln wanting to try to put the country back together. Again, chose Andrew Johnson to be his vice president in eighteen sixty four Lincoln was then assassinated in eighteen sixty five so injury Johnson is now the president and people are not pleased kind of universally people are not pleased about this. Republicans and you have to kind of reorient yourself because Republicans were mostly in the north at this time and very angry about the civil war very angry with the south and they wanted to put military rule in place in the south during reconstruction. They wanted to redistribute land to black Americans following the civil war and Andrew Johnson wanted to quickly restore the power to the citizenry of the states and move on where they wrong. No. They were not they were not wrong into Johnson was wrong. Sorry. That's just my side note. So over Andrew Johnson's veto congress passed a reconstruction act, and they also decided we don't like this injury Johnson fellow. They hand we want him to have to come to congress to get permission to fire any members of the executive branch that we've confirmed that's a little crazy. Although does that sound like a bad idea right now. No doesn't. So Andrew Johnson in very mature fashion. Responds by probably firing the secretary of war. He says I see your act, and I defy it. So the house passed eleven articles of impeachment. Andrew Johnson was not convicted wait, wait stop. I want to share my favorite articles of impeachment. He was accused of scandalous harangues about legislators. That's a quote, by the way, scandalous harangues in quote about legislators Baid again with quotes with a loud voice. That's amazing. I would like to add that to the list of bribery, treason, scandalous, rings and other high crimes and misdemeanors. I wonder if that would count if you made the scandalous harangue by Twitter, okay? So this to me is fascinating Johnson was saved from conviction on every article of impeachment all eleven by only one vote. That's most historians do not kindly on his impeachment process. They think it did not involve high crimes and misdemeanors. It was purely about political disagreement. And there is thought that if Johnson had been convicted it would have set us down a road that severely threatened the really delicate separation of powers tension balance. The founders were looking for I do not understand this. Critique if it's a political process wise, it threatening to have it be a political disagreement. Well, I think that's the whole high crimes and misdemeanors dilemma, right because you don't want congress to just be able to overturn an election, and that's different with Andrew Johnson. Right because the people elected Lincoln, but arguably they elected Johnson to they knew he was on the. Ticket. So you don't want congress just be able to say we don't like this result. We're going to change it. We think you're a crappy president the constitution. Permits us to make bad choices voters and live with the consequences of those choices. Right. And so we don't want congress to just step in anytime at thinks things are going off the tracks. We want it to be a great big deal. And we want someone to have objectively done something wrong. But we have built a process where the body charged with deciding if there's been an objective wrong is necessarily political and our court is staying out of it. So I mean, this is one where the framers kind of said, we don't know folks could look America figure it out. And I think that's right. You know, I think ultimately, that's right. But it's it's hard. So Andrew Johnson made it out just barely Richard Nixon piece doubt when it looks super likely that he'd be the first one to be removed from office. The House Judiciary committee voted on three articles of impeach. Obstruction of Justice abuse of power and define the committee's request for document production. Down put a pin their friends that sounds familiar. He resigned before the entire house voted, however, the committee considered an article of impeachment against Richard Nixon for tax evasion. And that committee decided tax evasion was not high crime or misdemeanor. So I think that's an interesting historic footnote as well. And then along comes when William Jefferson Clinton. Would you like to do the honors Sarah? Sure. So there were four articles of impeachment perjury before a grand jury perjury in a civil case obstructing Justice deceiving. The public in hindering. The investigation refusing to respond to committee request again pass through the house. He was quote, unquote. And art it went to trial and the Senate, and who are no live witnesses. There wasn't much of a trial. And he was not convicted in the Senate is really interesting speaking to the fact that impeachment is a political process. You know, I think all the historical analysis when you look back and the Clinton impeachment is that whatever they listed as the article impeachment, and whatever sort of legalistic arguments, they were trying to make about perjury and obstruction of Justice America decided it was about whether they cared or not that he had had sexual interactions sexual relations with that woman. Sexual interactions with an intern. And they decided they didn't care, and it was so interesting like you just here that you see the pollen. It was like people just thought. Well, that's what this is about. And I don't care. I think they tried very hard to make it. No. But it's what he did after that. And it just never sunk in. I don't think which is another interesting table setting note. I think for where we are today because the complexity of the Muller investigation the complexity of the way, the White House is conducting itself post Muller report is hard for the public to digest. And so that's where we'll pick up on Tuesday as we discuss what should be done and whether impeachment should be invoked here. And we hope that you will join us, then we have lots of resources in the show note if before now, and then you'd like to read more about impeachment and learn more about the haranguing by Andrew Johnson. But until then till Tuesday, we'll be back. You'll have a good weekend and keep it nuance. Joel. Dylan Garvan produces pantsuit politics every week. Thanks for Makina sound better. Dylan at least nap is our managing director, which means we could not make it without her scheduling organization feedback in creativity. Thank you a lease. We couldn't make pantsuit politics without support from our listeners. 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Five Things You Need to Know About Brexit

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42:23 min | 1 year ago

Five Things You Need to Know About Brexit

"America's beverage companies are working together to support families as they reduce the sugar in their diets coke, Dr Pepper and Pepsi are providing more great tasting options with less sugar or no sugar at all smaller portion sizes, clear calorie, labels and reminders to think balance more choices smaller portions less sugar think more about how these three competitors are working together at balance US dot org. That's balanced S dot org. Starting in two thousand fourteen people talking about politics and talk came out. Scotland's feature in pubs and on buses, and in public forums Brexit fell living in Edinburgh. It's felt like less of an issue. I remember seeing on the best of the day after the referendum with my husband and going. Do we know anyone who voted for Brexit because we are in that bubble? I am academic Massen's civil servant. We live in city, we live in very international community. So we didn't really I think it caught us by surprise. This is Sarah for the left and Beth from the right. You're listening to fade sue politics. They're shouting no insults. Plenty of months. So excited about today's episode because it is five things you need to know about Brexit, once again, there are probably more than five things embedded in our five things, but we're very attached to that idea. Five before we start, we wanted to take a special moment to think our new executive producers, Tracy cherry. Tim, David Joshua Linda, Martha Melanie, Tiffany, all my gosh. It is so amazing to have this big team of people supporting us and rooting for us, and offering us ideas and wisdom, and we cannot express enough, our gratitude for your support. And to all of you who have stepped up on patriotic. We're just so excited. Thank you so much. You're gonna hear from Michael today in the middle of the show about his patriots support. We're so grateful for that. We also are so grateful for the feedback that we've received from Tuesday's episode which has just been beyond. Anything that I could have imagined. And it's another thing that I can hardly talk about without getting teary. Yeah. The emails we've received especially from members of the LGBT community, who reached out to us, and said, either one you're forgiven which. I don't even know what to say the face of that amount of grace and just support or to you being so honest about your own journey. And then coming to such a place of support helped me deal with some of the breaks in my own family and some of the trauma, I experienced upon coming out, and I just it's such an incredible blessing to hear that. It's his such a big thing like it's such a big thing to hold. Someone say your words helped me deal with this trauma. I thought when we were doing the episode like I'm just telling my story as often on this podcast, and it's so easy to forget, how powerful just an individual story of becoming affirming like that, that can affect people in change people and help people and invite them to reevaluate their own stories in journeys. And I just can't think everyone who emailed us enough there. Are still this little piece of me that feels sometimes like I'm being dramatic. There's this little tug at being kind of cynical or something in me. And when we were at Rachel held Evans funeral which is something that I'm going to be thinking about for the rest of my life again not to be hyperbolic, but I will it was, it was just an event that I think changes a person, I walked out of that service, thinking, don't let that little bit of cynicism water you down, because look at what happens look at all these people, you're surrounded with who lived fully and didn't censor themselves in any way. And so, to have the conversation that we had, which was no it's not easy to talk about. When you've been terribly wrong about something. And then to receive emails that say you're forgiven, which I think are probably the most powerful words, we have in our language, and to hear from people saying, let me tell you even more about my experience, and how I don't get to come out. Once I have to come out constantly and hear all of the ways large and small, that this impacts my life, it just makes me feel like we're immersed in the most real work, we possibly could be. And I am so thankful for that. And I am so thankful for all of you who don't stop yourself from sending emails to two women who run a podcast, you know, I can imagine that it's really hard to be that Volna Rable and open with strangers on the internet. And the fact that you keep showing up to do that. It just touches my heart and it, it changes me every day, and it works on me. And I'm just beyond honored by what people have shared with us since Tuesday's episode. Now. Is the time that we shift from your incredibly positive life affirming soulful feedback to. The soul crushing Brexit situation in Britain now throughout these five things, you're going to hear the voice of Dr Corey Brown swan she reached out to us because she has a PHD in David Lucien, which is the structure through which Wales and Northern Ireland and Scotland are a part of the United Kingdom. Okay. And she offered generously offered her time and expertise. And so we got to sit down and talk with her about Brexit. We're going to put the full interview on patriotic. But we wanted to pull out some of the pieces of her expertise that can offer another level of depth to these five things as we work through them thing. Number one. Let's just go back to how the U K became part of the EU. So after World War Two there was a sense in western Europe, that we are better off together. And so a trade bloc formed and. And it rapidly expanded America was supported of that block. The block really hinged on this relationship between France, and Germany, and other countries saw how successful it was. How important it was nominally and in terms of national security and wanted to get involved. And so the UK in nineteen sixty one made its first application to join what was then called the European Economic Community. The French president, Charles de Gaulle was very concerned about this and vetoed that application, he thought that the UK would be just a puppet for America, and he was not excited about American influence in their trade block in nineteen sixty seven France vetoed the UK joining this block, again it took until nineteen sixty-nine for negotiations to begin. France had a new president was more open to this. And so the UK along with Denmark and Ireland joined the block in nineteen. Seventy three in. It was controversial within the UK at the time, the labor party wanted to renegotiate the membership. This was toned down, which I read on a British website, and I thought was just a beautifully British way to say it was toned down to a referendum on whether the UK should stay in the economic community. So there was a referendum. There was a Brexit vote in nineteen seventy five just two years after Britain had joined the community and sixty seven percent of British voters supported continued membership every county except to voted to stay in and there was sixty four point five percent, turn out in that election. So it was a pretty resounding statement that we're going to continue to us. And if you would like a lot more detail about the formation of the EU, and how the European Economic Community transitioned to the EU and how it's governed today there's a nightly nuance on that. So that gets us into the European Union. So number two. Talk about how we got to Brexit. So the referendum nineteen seventy five best it was the last time that they voted on this. That was a long time ago. Now, the labor party, not to be confused with the conservative party in the party of Boris and Theresa May and all the lot. That's kinda running the show right now ran in nineteen Ninety-three on a platform of withdrawing from the European Economic Community in nineteen Ninety-seven, a Referendum Party formed promising to hold a referendum on UK membership in the EU. But that party only won two point six percent of the vote and didn't win a single seat in parliament. Now there's increasing factors during this time that contribute to this sort of euroscepticism on both the left with the labor and increasingly on the right. Okay. So first of all, the United Kingdom is an island or I lands that have been politically geographically insulated from lots of what's occurred in continental Europe. So it's a culture, very distinct from continental Europe. There's this sort of sense that British is better than everybody else because. The United Kingdom wasn't at the table, very early in that process when they were sitting at the EU I think there was a sense always that they were kind of behind the curve for its in Germany has had a different legal tradition. It's not common law likes rooted in English history. Have you ever been to Louisiana or taking the Louisiana bar, you know, how different Frances legal system is? So people had concerns that there was all this government spending, and it was costing the United Kingdom to be a part of the European Union, not to mention, of course, immigration, and the free flow of people from the European Union into the United Kingdom. So in two thousand twelve then prime Minister David Cameron, who's a member of the conservative Tory. Party rejected calls for referendum. They were growing. There's a UK independence party and everybody was getting frustrated. So he thought, okay hold on. Maybe if I do this, it will kill all these naysayers right? Will hold it. It everybody will vote to stay, and we can stop talking about this. So announce it your later that he would hold one if he won reelection in two thousand fifteen he won. And the European Union referendum active twenty fifteen past to kick start the in for new process, six out of seven members of all parties across the left and the right voted for the referendum. Okay. So he didn't really want to leave and win this referendum went through. It didn't so much quiet. The naysayers as prove that there were more. The people thought I think it's really interesting to remember that parliament passed that act to start the referendum because it's so easy to blame David Cameron singularly and he does have in. We saw the plane. But everybody kind of thought, well, let's just do this. Right. And so they did it on June twenty third twenty sixteen every person of voting age in the United Kingdom was invited to answer this question should the U K remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? More than thirty million people voted seventy one point eight percent turnout in the vote was fifty one point nine percent to forty eight point one percent in favor of leaving. So England voted to leave by a pretty wide margin Wales voted to leave by about five points. Scotland voted by a huge margin to stay, sixty two thirty eight and Northern Ireland also voted by about eleven points just stay that's the vote breakdown. We're gonna hear from Corey, a little bit about the dynamics in terms of how people voted starting in two thousand fourteen people talking about politics and talking about Scotland. Feature in pubs and on buses and in public forums. Brexit fell living in Adan. It's felt like less of an issue. I remember seeing on the best today after the referendum with my husband and going do we know anyone who voted for exit because we are in that bubble. I am academic Masson's civil servant. We live in city, we live in very international community. So we didn't really I think it caught us by surprise, but you do. Increasingly see it Scotland, perhaps less. So I'm because there is a much higher proportion who voted to remain although thirty percent in Scotland still voted to leave, but you do feel it and it's all we can talk about. So there are lots of questions about why the Brexit vote turned out as it did, including allegations that Russia interfered, in, we're going to hear from Corey, again here about what that interference looked like there's issues around Cambridge Analytica their emissions about campaign funding and funding for, for the leave campaign where that money's coming from. We're seeing those problems as well. The, the Brexit party, I'm Nigel fraudulous party. So basically you kept two point. Oh. Was receiving donations. And there's quite strict campaign finance rules in the United Kingdom on there's questions about whether those donations were coming from abroad. A so it is it was a very emotional debate. And I think that's when the challenges is because there was this very emotive very quite masculine message of take back control on the campaign to leave the in union and the remains side with saying it's, it's harder to make an emotional argument is harder to appeal to the heart for the status quo. And you had parties who very much disagreed with each other having to coalesce around a single message. And I don't think they really did so effectively. So the vote goes through, it is not what David Cameron thought was going to happen in he resigned. Then our girl Theresa May becomes prime minister. Okay. I just want to clarify because I get messages, a this about this Instagram by our girl. I do not mean I agree with everything. Theresa May has ever done or will ever do I grew to become increasingly sympathetic with threes, may because of her doggedness and trying to do the right thing by this country in the face of ridiculous opposition, an absence of anybody else willing to step up and take on this our job. So when I say, our girl Theresa May is really just about bless this woman who kept trying in the face of really, really difficult odds guy so she becomes PM. Him promising Brexit means Brexit people voted for it. We're going to do it. Triggered article fifty which is a clause in the Lisbon Treaty outlining. The steps a country takes to leave the European bloc voluntarily the supreme court of the United Kingdom held that article fifty couldn't be in vote without authorising act ACTA parliament, so parliament passed the European Union notification of withdrawal act of twenty seventeen in March of two thousand seventeen and article fifty was invoked on March twenty ninth when Theresa May sent a letter to Donald tusk, the president of the European Council in Brussels provided that the UK would be out by March twenty ninth two thousand nineteen. So that's where we got that date from is because that's when article fifty was in vote basically starting the clock. Now the clock has been extended twice first by two weeks to April twelfth two thousand nineteen. And then when they continue to vote down her withdrawal agreement to October thirty first twenty nineteen there are two possibilities in what Brexit means probably a host of possibilities within each but a hard BreX. Cet is the idea that we just leave, and we don't have any agreement, we don't have any transition period, we don't provide any guarantees on citizens rights of residents in a hard Brexit. The concerns are that there could be shortages of produce and medicines, because there is no trade agreement in place to keep things flowing as they are now trade would be conducted through the World Trade Organization, which makes the rules when countries haven't entered into free trade agreements with each other. That would be really significant because in two thousand seventeen forty four percent of all of the UK's exports went to the EU with no tariffs on them. And no checks, basically uninhibited trade shifting to the World Trade Organization rules would be a huge change their schedules with the WTO for tariffs on goods and quotas or limits on the number of goods that can be exported, and imported so cars, for example when crossing the border between. In the UK and the EU would have a ten percent tariff agricultural terrorists will go very high on average about thirty five percent for dairy products. The British government is trying to plan for this, and mitigate its effects, but the EU could insist on all sorts of checks on goods. Additionally, the UK will be on its own with all the other countries in the world. The EU has about twenty trade agreements, just with the United States, UK would want to replicate as many of those as it could. But it doesn't have a lot of power in that process now it's a smaller economy coming to the table. It has proven itself through this Brexit process to not be great at negotiation. And so it's a tricky situation. If you have a hard Brexit, the UK is going to be left with a lot of work to do, and maybe not a lot of power in that work, which is why so many people favor. What is known as a soft Brexit. And that's what Theresa May has been working towards getting a deal with the EU to ensure a smooth transition and to keep trade flowing. So that's the third thing you need to know what we're negotiating is not the relationship between the United Kingdom, and the European Union forever. We're just. Talking about a transition period. The transition period runs through December thirty first twenty twenty so we have a withdrawal agreement six hundred pages long covering, only that transition period through December thirty first twenty twenty we want to give some stability, some transparency, some idea of what people have to look for in prepare for at the end of the transition period. Okay. So the European Union and the United Kingdom is represented by Theresa May come to that agreement. In november. But they have to get parliament to sign off on it. Which they have rejected this withdraw agreement, three times the first time in January. It was four hundred thirty two to two hundred into which is what we call a while open. Then they did again on March twelfth and March twenty ninth. And that's when she was forced to go get an extension because as we talked about, when article fifty was invoked it started the clock. It was supposed to run out on March twenty ninth we've gotten an extension. We're gonna take a quick break, and we'll come right back. Support for today show comes from hellofresh. Hellofresh makes conquering, the kitchen a reality with deliciously simple, recipes and fresh premeasured ingredients delivered to your door all meals come together and thirty minutes max call for less than two pots and pans, and require minimal cleanup plus with three plans to choose from, including classic veggie and family. There's something for everyone. So get out of that recipe rut, and start cooking outside of your comfort zone today. I love hellofresh, because my husband is the cook and I don't have a lot of cooking skills, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it. But what I've wanted to do recently as I develop a weekly Homer them as cook with my kids more, and I find that because there's minimal prep. It's a really good way to get the kids involved and cooking. And it's something that I can handle with my minimal cooking skills for eighty dollars off your first month. Hellofresh, go to hellofresh dot com slash pantsuit eighty and enter the code pantsuit eighty. That's hellofresh. Dot com slash pantsuit eighty and enter the code pantsuit eighty for twenty dollars off your first four boxes. Hey, fellow pantsuit politics listeners. This is Michael Green, and I, I discovered Sarah, and that all the way back during our last set of presidential primaries in thousand sixteen needless to say it was a support time. One thing that has remained, the same though has been Sarah in that's commitment to nuance thoughtfulness and important discussions. I've loved watching the podcast grow, and I've loved watching the community grow and part of that has been being patriotic supporter when the ladies first announced that patriot was going to be part of their community. I knew that I had to be a supporter in this way because the conversation that they're starting is so valuable to me, and I think that it really gets to the root of a lot of our problems by starting from a place of nuance. And from an admission that this is complicated. I really, really appreciate all the hard work that goes into this podcast. And I hope you'll join me as a patriotic supporter, because I know you do to thank you and keep it nuanced. Y'all. So what's in this withdrawal agreement again that only covers the transition period. Well, first of all, the UK will have to pay the European Union in order to break the partnership right now that looks to be about thirty nine billion dollars. We have issues with immigration under the withdrawal agreement that Theresa May negotiated. All European Union citizens living lawfully in the United Kingdom continuously for five years before twenty twenty one would be able to stay close. Family members would be able to join and children born to immigrants living in the United Kingdom would be protected. Those who have not been living in the United Kingdom for five years continuously before twenty twenty one would be granted pre settled status and could apply for settle status once they reach five years, you have against see center pages. So you have customs agreements education dispute resolution, what happens when the United Kingdom and the European Union have a dispute you have security because there is all this sharing of security information between the. United Kingdom and the European Union is really important so they would probably still require a special security treaty. But still, we're going to talk about how we're gonna share all this data about terrorism and possible risk between each other's so you have this withdrawal agreement. That covers the transition period that we can't get anybody to agree on. You also have the political declaration. Now, this is a shorter document that deals with the relationship moving forward after the transition. Now, now, this is not a binding agreement, but the ideas, okay, this is what we want the relationship to look for spoiler alert. We can't agree on that either. So there you go. Meanwhile in Scotland, meanwhile, Nichola sturgeon is the first minister of Scotland in the leader of the Scottish, National Party, and she's thinking no that I want to be on the specimen more. And so, she's looking at holding another referendum possibly by mid twenty twenty one for Scotland to decide if it wants to be in the UK the last vote on this took place in twenty fourteen fifty five percent of Scottish people voted to stay in the UK forty five percent voted to leave and following that vote. David Cameron realizes there's a problem here and I probably need to give the Scots more of a seat at the table. But that really never materialized we're gonna hear from Corey here about the dynamics in Scotland surrounding the relationship with the UK Selena living. What's really interesting is in twain, sixteen the national fed, if Scotland is taken out of the EU against it's well by breakfast, VO. Because we're the elections took place to six weeks before a vote on the European Union membership. They said, we'll have another referendum on independence and this gives this mandate, nNcholas sturgeon leader of Scotland, thus in paean first minister of Scotland came out a few days after breakfast, saying, we need to talk about independence. She's pulled back at because we haven't seen a sustained Brexit bounce. We haven't seen a sustained support increase in support for independence since two thousand sixteen. You've seen the polls move occasionally. You say a poll showing us light majority. So I think she's being quite cautious. I don't know how long she can hold off. I think if they form if after the Scottish elections in twenty twenty one, they form another majority government. I think we'll have another independence referendum. And twenty fourteen they'll cry if you undecided voters, I think, opinion has kind of has solidified in twenty nineteen one of the challenges is that Brexit makes and dependence more compelling, you can make the argument that Scotland's, being pulled out of the U against it's well, it shows a difference between voters and Scotland voters in England, but it also demonstrates the difficulty in extracting yourself from union, the relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom is a much shorter much looser relationship, then the relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK so demonstrates the difficulties there. So it is a bit of a conundrum. I'm we haven't seen listen, the polls, maybe get. Slightly closer. But I really think it depends on if Brexit happens. And what Brexit looks like okay number four. The withdrawal agreement is not getting past. And a huge reason for this is what's called the backstop regarding the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Okay. We're going to have to go way far back in scoop up a little bit of history, so that we all understand what's going on here. Okay. So there was war in the early nineteen hundreds on the island that composes Ireland and Northern Ireland. Okay. It ends up being split up now, sort of source of all this conflict historically has been a religious conflict between Catholics and Protestants. Okay. So we we get the border. But the border this border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. So the Republic of Ireland becomes an independent country Northern Ireland becomes a part of the United Kingdom. The border is. Then beginning in the nineteen sixties, a source of huge violence and conflicts. They call it the troubles between nineteen sixty eight and nineteen ninety eight more than thirty five hundred people died in violence, pitting, mainly Catholic Republican gunmen seeking a United Ireland against the police, British soldiers and mainly Protestant gangs defending Northern Ireland's union with Britain. Okay. So you have the people in the Republic of Ireland, mainly Catholic. They want the island to be one whole country. Then you have a small group of people in Northern Ireland that want to remain a part of Britain who are mainly Protestant. This is all playing out on land that is about the size of Indiana. The geography just needs to insert so important. I gave me so much perspective. You know, thinking, especially I live in northern Kentucky on the border with Ohio and I was thinking about what it would be like, if I had to cross into another country effectively every. Time I travel to and from Cincinnati, which I do multiple times a week. And it feels to me like that's the situation for lots of people living in this area. Right. When we say border, it sounds like something much more defined than what this border is. Yeah. It's a three hundred and ten mile border with about two hundred plus crossing points in right now. Because at the end of these troubles in the nineteen nineties, we had the Good Friday agreement, and now the border is almost invisible, people pass back and forth in, here's Cory talking about this in a little more detail Northern Ireland in the relationships with Ireland and the relationship between Ireland on the United Kingdom has made such incredible progress that peace process has worked. I'm not idea of introducing a border, which would divide communities with divide. Families would be a barrier to trade in regular cooperation really seems like it would find the face of the Good Friday agreement and all the progress achieved there. So there's people who commute across the board. Order to work. There's the border is not a particularly logical border. It can cut through towns and villages can make it very complicated for people to move freely. And I think the ability to move freely without checks without any sort of militarization, without the police was really important in changing, how people felt about Northern Ireland about Arlen part of the Good Friday, agreement involved, a promise of investment to rejuvenate, the economy after all this bloodshed, but that investment has not materialized to the satisfaction of everyone living in this area, so many people in Londonderry still live in poverty. It's a Konami is growing more slowly than that of any other city in the UK, there is high unemployment. And you've had conservative government in the UK over the past few years. Slashing funding for social services youth programs and community policing austerity has really significantly impacted this area. So we have this basically open border between Northern Ireland. And the Republic of Ireland. So everyone the European Union, the Republic of Ireland in the United Kingdom have concerns about a hard border because there would be check points. And because that was a source of massive violence during the troubles. But here's the problem, the European Union says cool, let's leave in an open border and treat Northern Ireland. Like it's still a part of the EU to which unionist the people that are very concerned with the United part of the United Kingdom, say, absolutely not. That's an invitation to the people who want the reunification of Ireland to take back Northern Ireland. Okay. They say cool, let's keep an open border and treat it more like the United Kingdom to which the European Union says no way the rip. Public of Ireland is a member of the European Union. And if we let you treat it like an open border than what's to keep the paean union in place, if it's not borders between e countries and non EU countries. Okay. Meanwhile, Theresa May has this history and this agreement with the Democratic Unionist Party of Ireland all we can talk about. I think this is actually, one of my major concerns about Brexit beyond the fact that we have no idea what's been happen is that all we're talking about is Brexit. We don't know what's going on in terms of education, and social welfare. I can't the news is entirely subsumed with Brexit, so you do feel it, and you do hear stories of a family arguments of Brexit community arguments over Brexit using an increase in attacks on people who are not from the United Kingdom. So there's been some really her riffing kind of racist attacks in racist abuse people told to go back to where they. Came from go home. I'm you'll have to go home. Now that you've Oded for breakfast. So it's similar kind of populist resurgence that you see in the states as well. We've had a lot of elections and said, there was the general election in two thousand fifteen the Brexit Putin in two thousand sixteen along with elections than devolved, governments a snap election in two thousand seventeen. And then another the European parliament elections because the UK didn't leave the a you in time to avoid those elections. So we're, we're inundated with elections a nothing really. It's funny when you think about it. Nothing's really happened, nothing's changed since two thousand sixteen but the Tanner, the political discourse has definitely changed. So the EU says, let's just had this backstop in place with no deadline. Theresa May says no end deadline or these Democratic Unionist are going to be mad. They're still mad also tensions are continuing to heighten because we have the murder in April of lira Mckee at twenty nine year old journalist by the violent Republican group in new IRA during rioting in Londonderry. So you have really an impasse with both sides. Not wanting a hardboard her, but not being able to come to an agreement about what an open border would look like. And who it would benefit and to be honest, and we'll talk about this a lot more and choose day? I'm not really sure how we see a way out of this. Which brings us to number five number five life after Theresa May Theresa May has been embattled leader throughout this entire negotiation process in there have been times when she said, listen, if we get this deal done, I promise, I'll resign look just passed my deal, and I will get out of your hair. She's had votes of no confidence that she has survived somehow, but she has finally reached the point where nothing is happening. The withdrawal agreement was voted down again there was just not a way forward. So she has resigned as of today, June seventh, she is out, but unfortunately, Theresa May who perseveres has to continue persevering until there's a successor in place. So even though she is out, she will still have to act as leader, she'll have to face MP's at the prime minister's questions on Wednesday. She will probably have to go to the European Council and the g twenty. Later this month in let me just say Teresa, I'm sorry, I am too. I'm so sorry girl. So sorry, people who want to run for prime minister, and there are approximately as many of them as there are democratic candidates for president in the United States have until Monday June tenth to submit nominating papers. So this is a contest among the Tories. This is not like Hello public. Let's elect, a new prime minister it is the conservatives still have a very fragile majority in parliament. And so they get to elect the prime minister. So there's this committee in the Tories, it's in charge of the process, and they've been making new rules because they want this to go pretty fast and they need to whittle this field down. So new this year, each candidate needs the backing of eight MP's to even be part of the field. And then there's going to be a sequence of secret ballots over the following two weeks to cut the contenders down to, to the first ballot will be on June thirteenth. To survive that ballot. You have to get five percent of the votes. Second ballot will require ten percent of the votes than they're going to be three more rounds. I think there are some good ideas in here, DNC just featuring the final two candidates will be put to around one hundred twenty four thousand Tory party members on a one member one vote basis completed the week of July twenty second so Theresa's gotta hang for at least a month, once the party has selected a new prime minister than Queen, Elizabeth will ceremonially, ask that person to form a new government if the winner cannot get the support of the MP's, which includes an alliance with the DP that we were just talking about in Northern Ireland and unified Tories, which is going to be tricky, because there are Tories, who want a very hard Brexit. And there are Tories, who have said they will defect. If a hard line Brexit person is elected. So if, if the winner can't Marsha. Well, everybody's support than Jeremy Corbyn as the leader of labor is likely to call a no-confidence vote, which could precipitate a general election. So far, eleven people have declared their candidacy with more people interested in jumping in so that is the process to get somebody new in the leadership seat to steer. Brexit, Ford and throwback to number four. The Duke party is basically going to have to come to another arrangement with whoever the next prime minister is, and so that means they're going to have to come to another agreement about the controversial backstop, and whatever else they want, as a very powerful voting bloc the party's deal, the DP deal with conservatives, which was reached two years ago comes up for review this summer. They had pledged to keep Theresa May's government in power in return for a billion dollars of extra funding for Northern Ireland. So Beth, here's the question. Everybody wants to know is part of number five, what happens after Theresa May, can we stop Brexit. We could stop wrecks it the European vote we could because we're America. But the Royal we yes, the Royal, we could stop Brexit. In theory, the European Court of Justice ruled on December tenth twenty eighteen that the UK could cancel its article fifty invocation without getting permission from the other twenty seven members of the EU and stay in the EU on existing terms, if the UK's parliament so voted that would be big, and that seems to me to be a really like if I'm one of the other twenty-seven members, I'm a little bit over the UK at this point if I'm on I'm done. My patience is exhausted. So it is a big deal that they could just say, just kidding, gosh. Two years just kidding. Take vaccine, these, yes. But that would almost certainly involve another referendum in the UK. And let's hear from Corey about voter fatigue there. There's a joke that because pulling typically polling places are schools and they're often closed for election days. So there's a joke that, that schools are, are pulling places occasionally used for education. Have had the elections, and there's a local elections, and there's community things in addition to that, and then kind of ever-present idea that we might have another referendum unsquashed independence Suzy. Are you have very profound conclusion about Brexit? Would you like to share it with everyone? Yes. When we were on the phone with Corey, a PHD my analysis just kept coming back to what a mess. I'm like, it's like I want to have something more profound to say than that, and I'm going to try to think up something more profound for our Tuesday analysis. But what I'd like you ought to ponder until Giuseppe is a what a mess. So we will be back with you on Tuesday to discuss our thoughts about Brexit and the news that transpires between now and then there will be some because, you know, it's twenty nineteen in America, never a dull moment. Thank you also much for being here until Tuesday's episode. Keep anyone still. Dylan. Garvin produces pantsuit politics every week. 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The Descent with D'arby Rose

The Bechdel Cast

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The Descent with D'arby Rose

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We're just GONNA you know rope on down I'm like I I'm GonNa make it very immediately clear that I've never been on king. Let's rope on down into the Vagina Metaphor that is one of the scariest movies that I've ever seen I think yeah. uh-huh. Yes. This and this is our show. The Bechtel cast where we examine film through an Intersectional Feminist Lens. We use the Bechtel test as a jumping off point for discussion that being a media metric invented by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel's sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Wallace my God Wallace test I really just my mouth just went another place. The. Bechtel Wallace test. Yes, and that requires our rendition of the test that two people of a marginalized gender speak to each other about something other than a man for at least two lines of dialogue. Shouldn't be that hard. It really shouldn't be that hard but but some people really I mean I don't know if we have if Christopher Nolan has really gotten there yet. So. It's like we're always. Pushing for growth. He's simply has never seen two women to each other. Our thoughts are always with Christopher Nolan and his quest to get to female characters to speak to each other about. Capri Oh you know someday. Well. Today's movie should fair a little bit better but not to spoil anything while away because today we were talking about the descent and we have a guest with us who we are very excited about she is a filmmaker and artist and a consultant it's a rose. Descending with you. Yes. Please descend. Let's with us into the vagina. Metaphor. Descends really quickly and you're like, oh no but then she's like I descend all the time. That would be holy moly. Yes and then I mean, yeah, holly she should maybe descend a little slower as we learn. anyways this movie is so scary. Thank you for coming on. I was so so and thank you for bringing us this movie. Oh Yeah I love this movie I. Saw it years ago on the interwebs okay and then again at Cinna family and the director actually came And did like a QNA? Yeah it was really bad. And you know he said a lot of the stuff that you can read on. IMDB Trivia, which is fairly fascinating but I loved it and watching it again, it was like smoothies still bad, ass the shit out of me. It's like I'm still scared like broad daylight. I just got so scared. Their own terrorism, their own lives and then tears below ground that they embark with. Right taught descend upon. Yeah Jamie, what's your history with the movie I had really no history with this movie at all I knew that it was a horror movie with an all female cast and that is all I knew and I'm really glad I went into it knowing essentially nothing because every I feel like I got the two thousand, five theatrical experience that I was I would have because it. So I mean like our discussion aside like it's so scary it is so well paced like there were so many times that I was some prize and then I had to go seek out the UK. Ending I watched a cut of it that had the US ending. And I'm like I. I still don't know which ending I prefer I, think I know it ending I prefer but I don't but I. But I don't know there. It was really good. It was really good and really scurry and I was I don't know. Yeah I was very happy I went and kind of not knowing anything about it What about you Kaitlyn? I saw this movie in theaters in two, thousand, five, depending on what month it came out I was either a freshman or sophomore in college, and I went with my best friend JT friend of the show twilight twilight episode and we saw it together because we had a habit of seeing horror movies especially together in theaters and both being so scared about whatever we watched we would then have to like just stayed over at each others apartments for like a week afterward just. Take. Comfort in knowing that someone else was there to protect us. So that was very much the case for the descent. I. Thought it was one of the most effective horror movies I had ever seen. because a lot of horror movies, it's like they're in a hunted house and it's like, okay. Then leave the haunted house or like the reason that they can't leave will be so like plot device or ridiculous but this one it's like they had to keep going forward. Yes. There are no I mean well, I don't want to say there are no story logic is because like what about the cave-dwellers but I mean for what it is like the world building that it accomplishes you're just like Oh my God Just so scary I feel like it. It does enough kind of early onto that I truly wasn't like I don't like there were different moments where Mike I don't know if this is going to be a last girl situation like maybe more maybe no one will get out maybe multiple people will get out like I just had no and I. Certainly I was watching this movie by myself and I was just sort of like giving my boyfriend brief summaries every few minutes of what was happening. but I certainly didn't see a truck full of spears crashing into them at the beginning that was. Like just what kind of truck was that it was a truck full of spears and the spears were on top. And that. So. Long stretches and then you don't like I wasn't sure I knew so little about it that I wasn't sure if there were going to be quote unquote monsters at any point and you get pretty far into the movie without that happening. So it was like a cool surprise when you're like Oh there are. Little little vagina monsters inside the vagina. Not In this movie to be called him CD's their cave-dwellers. But now maybe I will refer to any lady problems as I've thought a cave. dwelling. I Love I love that the movie does have like kind of like two movies in one because it's not until according to IMDB. Trivia fifty, one minutes into the film does the cave-dwellers do they come out like killing doesn't start happening until then and I feel like up until then it's already like scary but it's not it's just good. Good time every like moment that you get scared or jump. Feels so like. Yeah, they deserve to do that. I. Deserve that. And it's and it's also like, yes, I didn't you're getting to know these characters and I think actually by the time they start dying I was kind of like that's okay I'm okay. I'm okay with this even though I've gotten attached to some of them except for bitch US know I'm okay with this I have no sympathy for that home record. Oh well, I oh, I have a whole thing about her we'll get to it I feel like I'm weirdly empathetic. I mean there's some things where you're like Juno like Oh what. A loaded character there's so much going on there so much. Yeah. Yeah. For sure my only issue to though with them doing that Juno was she was the only woman of color. Yes. Why did you do that to her? Well to me and we'll talk about this but just to give you a little sneak peak. The movie suggests that women are so petty that they will just kill each other because like I understand the anger of learning that your best one of your best friends like was having an affair with your husband but are you going to be so angry that you kill or leave her to die? was definitely like her change in you know and she becomes like a little cave dweller herself like after Beth dies. Trying to believe this change I was like the you just didn't give me that like anger building up you gave me a lot of anxiety and hallucinations. Didn't give me this like anger that burst or she just like snapped you know or maybe they did. But I didn't believe it i. kind of was I I don't know why like one of the things I was sure of was that I felt so sure I don't know I just was like I. Don't think that Sarah is going to kill I just didn't think Sarah was going to kill June I thought they were going to both escape and then have the most terrifying discussion of Juneau's entire life like that was kind of what I was hoping for is that they would both live in. Ho exist with every bit of trauma in relief. Yeah. Yeah. Like it just every single conceivable imaginable trauma I was kind of yeah. I mean honestly in a in a movie that like I, really really really enjoyed that was like one of the choices where. I feel. Maybe if I saw it in theaters, I would have been like, fuck? Yeah. You know like that's so cathartic but like now being that she is the only one of color and it kind of makes Sarah I don't know I was like I feel like Sarah is going to also just logistically I'm like Juneau is the only person that has you know been. Like obviously she fuck this day up. But she's she has the skills to get us out in any case. Well, I watched the sequel. I wanted to 'cause I read about it and I'm so curious why they took that routes. Yeah. What is so spoiler alert everyone for the descent part to. It's the same cast sort of where basically picks up right where the first movie leaves off where like the authorities find Sarah having just escaped from the cave but she doesn't remember anything. I guess the the trauma is made her unable to remember what just happened. So they're like, well, all of your friends or missing we have to go back down into the cave to find them and she's like I guess I don't know what happened there. So she and like some. Park, rangers I think there's like a cough you cops, but they all go into the cave because they don't believe the woman e Well I. She doesn't remember which I think. We've talked about how like women having Amnesia is often plot device in. and women be having Amnesia. We'll women's brains are so unreliable So they go back down into the cave and they basically find all of the dead bodies of her friends. They find the cave dwellers again but guess what Juneau has survived. And she is she liked fight everyone off with their broken leg with her broke right with her stabbed leg and yes. So she she is survived and basically the arrest of the cast dies except for Sarah and Juno. They are like the two final girls at the end and they sort of reconcile where they're like we have to protect each other and both they kind of both like martyr themselves for each other. So the second movie kind of it ends, it ends in a way that I like better than how this first movie. How I wanted the first movie that end was like that they would somehow right be what I was hoping. Yeah I mean I'm like maybe this is shooting too high for a movie. A man wrote in two thousand five but I i. was hoping that they would have some sort of like intense cave discussion there in the Jonah and they're just like. Wait a second like. I feel like sometimes in these situations, it's like maybe her husband was like an total asshole who like misled both of them and all this stuff and they're like, okay, well. Good thing he got stabbed. Let's get Outta here. You know whatever whatever that they have some some sort of like they don't have to like each other but some some kind of thing that doesn't involve just murdering each other but I'm glad that man that's so innocent horror sequels never correct things. That's great. Yeah. Yeah Read I am DVD Trivia 'cause you keep calling it the vagina and one of the Trivia pieces was that. So all the caves were obviously not real they built like twenty one different caves. They called the tight narrow one vagina who really would always be like are ever going yeah. I thought that's referring to know not everyone read the Trivia like me. That's so. Yeah Anytime you drop a female cast into a large cavernous space and the the movies written by a man I'm like. Well, we know what this is about like. Yeah I. Guess he he did dog soldiers which I still haven't seen, and then they asked him to do this and he was like. I don't really want to get like known is a like a horror director. And then something changed and he was like, all right screw it. Let's do it. But you know I wanNA do is an all female cast and at cinema family he put it better than how it's put on IMDB. He was just like you know with woman they are more likely to talk about their feelings about why they're in the situation versus like the men I right don't talk about feelings. Okay take thank you but. He was like he's like women have more dynamic knows like, yeah. Okay. I like that he's like I. Think we need to see more movies with all cast of women and like so I asked my female friends and I'm like you know it's so funny is what you should have done. It should have given the movie to a woman to direct and write. It's do you wanted to learn to be a woman Joss Sweden. Just give the project to a woman. Yeah and then yeah, and then he did it and then I guess they like made them all like have different accents because he had like a primarily UK film actually get the ending of this movie often confused with the ruins. Alone, base I don't even remember she gets stuck in a pyramid or something. It's like a bunch of white people go to like Brown country and they get stuck in up pyramid but then the pyramid like create some virus or disease, and if you leave and then like the the natives they think are like don't leave your curse but then eventually she gets away in the ending but is infected sioe always get the ending of the disentis shop entirely different movies. Extremely different but I think the early two thousands horror films were it gave you that hopeless ending? Kind of thing. Yeah for sure except for the American I like I like a hopeless ending I do too. I love a hopeless Sunday I. don't care about life. Let's do it. Realistically. There's rarely a last girl in life you know. I kind of when I went back and watched the UK ending to this. We'll talk about but I I, mean, obviously, it's more bleak but am I this makes more sense does makes more sense. It more likely that that would have happened that way probably yeah. They were all fucked. We'll should I recap the movie and then we can really dive in we can really just stand into the discussion. Okay. So we open on a group of three kind of adrenaline Junkie Women They are Sarah Beth and Juno who we see like Whitewater Rafting Sarah has a husband and her young daughter and they are brutally killed in a car accident on the drive home. I can't emphasize it enough a truck with spears on half of it and the fears are loose. Yeah now. I think just like narrow pipes, which might be foreshadowing the narrow pipe penis of it all. It's New I really did appreciate I kind of like when like a horror movie cuts to the chase of like no, this is good. That'd be a gory one because the second you see that blatant whatever it is go through her husband's head. After. She's like babe you're distant because he's cheating on her and then he's like and then just instant Karma pipe through the head. Yeah. He yes. All right. So Sarah is obviously devastated and we cut to one year later she's still dealing with the grief, but she decides to go cave diving in Appalachia with her friends Beth Juno as well as some other friends Becca Bekka Sister Sam who is a med school student and Holly who is the one who's like kind of the most reckless thrill seeking of the group is the park one of the girls. Right. She descends quickly oh And they head for Boreham cave or what they think is Boreham cave they arrive at the mouth of a cave and begin their descent. Right away when they're inside some some things happened there's like a bloody handprint a bunch of bats fly around and startled them. There was a dead deer right near the mouth of the cave and we're like I wonder if anything bad is going to happen start poking at it like a dead body. By me or something you guys want you dead body. Go. We have to have a descent. Okay. So they go further into the. They go down this narrow tunnel which I guess was the vagina is what they called it onset. I mean there's a pool of blood at the center of it. I mean, it's very it's a very says normative. Situation they're spending too. So they, they don't know where they're going. It's very dark and scary, and then Sarah get stuck in one of these very narrow tunnels she starts panicking the tunnel starts to collapse of US show scary. Oh so I actually had to walk out of the room at one point I was like, I can't even want this. That was the scariest part for me say the CLAUSTROPHOBIA. Definitely have claustrophobia and that was my worst nightmare rather deal with the cage waller's and games. Yeah. Same. Once you get to the cave-dwellers you're like, okay this is like this is imagination but that moment of horror at the beginning because at the beginning of this movie I was like, Oh, I've kind of always wanted to do that, and then immediately you're like I had a change of heart. Yeah. So Beth helps her get out, but one of the bags of ropes gets lost in the rubble and then that way out is now blocked. Today's Sunday with the last person right questions. Why? Yeah. That is a good question why do we ever find out? This is maybe a plot hole that why doesn't you know take the book like is it just? Because we're so bad but as if she knew the book that she has four Boreham cave, but they don't go into Boreham cave. So that's why she doesn't. She's like why bother that makes more sense that's right. She's like we don't need this shit because we even go or not even but I'm in a rush everyone because we gotta get to the Vagina. There is. There's also there's a female orgasm joke in there. It's how do you give a lemon and orgasm you? It's. She say you touches citrus, which is supposed to like clitoris. Not An. It's not a good punch line unlike maybe that works better with the Scottish accent I'm not sure. Yeah. So that one way out is blocked and they're like no big deal. There are two other ways out of Boreham cave right and that's when we learn Juno didn't bring them to Boreham caves. She brought them to a different uncharted cave that no one has ever been inside of before or so they think. Shady. But this means that they have no idea how to navigate it and no one knows they're down there. So if they do like turn up missing like the rescue team will search the wrong place. So then Sarah thinks she sees something or someone. Lurking in the distance, maybe it's a yeast infection that. I was just. Uti Lurking in the defense. Has ETA's do Make that sound to. `Echo e those guys. Yeah. So. They move onward to find a path out of the cave and they come upon this deep ravine that they have to get across and as they're doing that they notice a hook that's already embedded in the roof of the cave and they realize someone's been done there before but it's equipment. It's like several decades old. So they're like, well, if people have been done here before, why is this cave still uncharted and are like they haven't touched equipment in hundred years? Yeah. That's my also horrible accent, but with it. But then they come upon some cave paintings that show that there's another entrance to the cave. But then holly who loves scrambling ahead of everyone falls into a hole and breaks her leg, and while the rest of the group is dealing with her injury Sarah here's something she breaks away from the group and sees what appears to be a man or a kind of humanoid figure. She tells everyone she tells Juno and Juno. Gas. Lights. Shutout out. Yes she. Her home, record? Of all people to be gas lighting. Sarah at this time, I says shady. So no one believes her but then they do because they all get attacked by what turns out to be cave dwelling cannibalistic humanoid creatures, wicky pedia culls them crawlers, it kind of looks like I mean I feel. It looks like a variation on so many horror movie characters that at least I'll give them credit for not making the entire head of a giant mouth, which is usually what happens. But it is still. A, fleshy. Mystery Kakar. I like that actually built it to kind of make sense I'm saying this could I I also watched a quiet place for the first time and you're just like, oh, vagina mouth. Got It. But this I mean I liked it they at least like took the time to be like, oh, it makes sense that this creature would evolve the way it did like it is kind of like a water bat staying like is it makes sense enough. Really scary to look at I like the mother and child pair. Yes. No no, but I mean, there's little. They made variety and. I it's very baffling to me that like the female cave dweller has long. She along with. The male ones are bald and it's like that's not how that works. We also had some cool like body TAT's going on like I. saw some like. Happening I was like a chess. Set that or it was a clothing piece or her skin was very mutually she has. She seems to have like breasts. Yeah. He's got like he did Willard titties yeah. It was kind of I thought that was interesting because I felt like that it's like a conversation that I feel like we usually have during animated movies where it's like A. Kind of needless gender coding where you're like, why are you giving this like creature a hairstyle like what are you? Just thinking about her. Over the decisions like someone looked at her, they put their hand on their Chin step back and Yeah that looks I. Think this is that you guys I think we've got it. We got the female cave dweller, just the one and her little baby that she protects. Women be releasing children without the assistance of the monster father. Unless. We're just like. Filmmakers were like well, most women above ground have long hair and most men have short hair. So That's how these cave-dwellers R- also look they evolved like according to Western fashion, which is how it works. Did say that they were from like a hundred years ago, which was a more traditional time. That's maybe I don't know I don't really want to see I. Aren't they supposed to be from like no, I think. There were other like spelunker 's who had tried to explore the cave, but they also got murdered by these caved ballers who had been there for I'm guessing Millennia Right? Yeah. I guess that's not how humans evolved were wondering. What you think it was like I don't know this was I'd I honestly wasn't thinking about it that hard. But would it have been like people who got stuck there in like cave dwelling times and that's why there's cave paintings and then it's like. Those people evolved into the case will again that's I think where some of the story logic does get a bit muddied because you know in the in the in human migration, the humans because they're in Appalachia right humans didn't arrive to the Americas until about I. There's there's debate on exactly when it was but that was somewhere around I think twenty thousand years ago is a number that we now think it was. So. It might just be that very early humans had gone into these caves decided to stay there evolve or maybe they got stuck there and they found a way to survive and then like yeah, generations of I don't know like they they evolved into the space of like. It makes total sense that they're blind like all that I don't know. Yeah and I mean there's A whole spiel on like how disability is treated in horror movies that will get into but yeah, I don't know. Exactly. How these caved ehlers came to be there. Yeah, I. Guess We're not meant to think too hard about it. We we just have to suspend our disbelief, but I still want to know why they chose for the female to have long curly hair and like chest aren't tattoos. And she did not pass the back del test for sure. She didn't have a name. She protected man young never got time with everything. She was the one under served female of Film Justice. We knew about her was that she was a mother yes. Yes. A loving heartfelt mother who would die for her own and I think we should take a moment of silence for this loss cave dweller. I know because she gets stabbed in the eyeball. Oh, I know she was just doing what she thought was right I mean and. We can talk about this too their these cave-dwellers they're like the indigenous people of this cave. Really this group of six women are colonizers Well, they are trying to murder them but yes I totally. But also like what if someone came and tried to steal your? Take over your land like you'd fight back the cave people they're just thirty days. Because they do let them just kick it for a while like we keep seeing them pop up and they're like hanging over them like those those creepy shots where they're like you know in the ceiling hovering over them. But then then they collapsed one of their tunnels and then they're like, well, what the Hell Man Shit can only get so much food in here. But that places a pigsty to was very messy. Really need to clearly take care but I dwell on it seems like the walls and the ceiling. So that kind of area as pretty tidy it's really just the area. Where there's grabs maybe maybe they've got something going there you know. Maybe. June made herself busy. You know between that and the sequel she's like well, I better tidy up. Yeah. I don't know what else to do with my life. And make. Exactly. Oh. Okay. Where where we? So Sarah has spotted one of the cave-dwellers. No one believes her then they get attacked holly gets killed by one of the cave people. Juno manages to kill one of them but then she also accidentally stabs Beth in leaves her there to die oop oop sees the whole thing about that as well. We'll get there. Then Juno Becker and Sam they're trying to find their way out. Sarah has gotten separated from the group and she finds Beth who is not all the way dead yet and Beth is like don't trust Juno. She did this to me also she was having an affair with your husband. And she's like well shit. In my opinion Beth is really blowing her last moments on earth like getting into other people's business. It's like, do you have like a family that you would like a message passed onto or are you just GonNa? Like gossip into an early grave like what's going on? Like well, I have no choice, but to just tell you this because. Everything and bleeds to death imagine dying breath to be like by the way. Did you know. Are Right like this is like literally a matter of life and death like that's the thing like this movie like women are so petty that in their dying breath yet they're going to gossip and they're going to murder each other. That's real. which is interesting because they're all like you know thrill seekers. Knew what they knew there'd be like some danger doing this. Whether it was charted or uncharted right. But the fact that like all of a sudden, they all freak out and have no idea what to do like nail just freak out I'm like wait don't show like to do this. You know like park core over here is like jumping around and like splitter bone out of her legs and I'm like, what the what are you doing I feel like you should know you should be a little more conscious and then oh I love okay I don't think you've gotten there. I'll let you continue Okay. So then, Sarah Manages to kill a few of the cave dwellers. Becca and Sam get killed. So now it's only Sarah in Juneau late but Sam's death US I feel bad because I laugh every time we like her she's like fuck I'm going to I'm going across and she likes starts hooking up and. Right, and then she puts the knife in her mouth when the cave dweller comes out her and I was like Oh, she's GonNa use the knife to stab it but then. slits her throat, and then she just. Go. Leads Al was like wait what was the point of any of that? That's the underfund example of instant Karma in this movie that I really thought was fun was like she's about to ditch all of her friends and immediately it's just it's just lowe's up in her face in the worst possible way and she waste your rope I'm like selfish. She done. Goofed I. Think I might have misinterpreted that I thought she was like trying to martyr herself to like get I. Don't know that doesn't make any sense she was bailing she was league. reeked out and was like this I've been over this. She's Like I don't really know most of the people on this trip very well come on. Park Coral. So sorry I can't help a call her park. But I felt like she was also like fuck this to to to to just like skirted out. Bro, where are you going? She she thinks she sees daily. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's phosphorus in the rocks or something. Good. Now I know that you know gang which we're going to do after this. Okay. So BECA SAM. Get killed and now it's only Sarah and Juno they join up and Sarah's like Hey Juno I heard you were having an affair with my husband stab. kind of stops or in the leg leaves her be eaten by the Cave people vouch was I thought a more colder move than to just kill her she's like bitch I'm not GonNa kill you just let you fight in fear for your life. Also like why would she leave her behind? I mean I I understand why she was like draw the attention to use I can balance, but it really felt very like. Sarah's character was so hard to keep up with because I was like, what's your? What is your intention right going into the Strip what why? Why to be honest to there's like three blonde women in the cage and it's so dark that sometimes I'm like I don't know it's blonde woman it is I appreciate that they keep saying everybody's name very frequently because I'm just like I don't know if this is the protagonist blonde woman or. Blonde. you mentioned Derby. The director was like, yes I gave the women different accents. So we could tell them apart and it's like that didn't work at all. It's like now have some more women of Color in the group that we felt. Yeah exactly. Two thousand, five black people were in around yet at that point. What happened years really couldn't get like one black British Person Shea get now me what's her face from twenty days later? She's great Internet easily. Watch that. That's a good rewatch I watch very corentin friendly. ooh. Level core I mean there are so few naomie Harris Right Naomie? Harris. Yes. Sweet Angel who she stopped aging I think after twenty eight days later he looks exactly the same yes. Oh, she's in the new James Bond to find. Oh that's right. Okay. So then they're then the ending in their Jamie like you mentioned, there are two different two versions of the ending. There's the US cut in which Sarah makes her escape. She finds the other exit crawls on top of a pile of bones to get up out of the cave. I also feel like when she like emerges through the tiny little hole that's going to be like how we all come out of quarantine. Yeah. We're just like we're like hopping out of the ground seeing daylight for the first time in a while we're all covered in blood. Like a mile away from our homes then burst into tears like yeah. Anyway. So she she gets out she makes her way to the car drives away a little bit pulls over vomits, and then she has a hallucination of of Juno being in the car with her and then we smash cut to black now that I think same thing happens in the UK version but then there's a little bit more we smash cut back to the. To Lay. Back to reality. Right where she had just hallucinated her escape, she wakes up, she sees like another hallucination of her daughter and a birthday cake, and then all the cave-dwellers descend upon the descent upon her and then she presumably dies i. read that the US ending is the US ending because they did a screening and the US of K. and they were like, Oh hell no, I remember reading quote it was Uber Uber. Is Yes. Because American movie goers really they like a happy ending. Yeah we're very fragile yeah. Yeah. I think I like the UK ending better same. I've watched the I watched the whole movie through with the American. Ending then found out about the UK ending. I like it better. I like my ending the best and my ending is. Sarah and Juno both live Sarah doesn't try to kill her friend. She's still mad at her, but she's like come on we'll deal with this on the surface. 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And I think I mean I I don't know it's it's not certainly not the most egregious example of this and so I wasn't like extremely put off but Caitlin I feel like you already kind of alluded to this was that whole element of like the jealousy and the suspicion and that kind of translating to basically leaving Jennifer dead at the peak of the movie when we don't really know enough about the husband and I feel like the movie just assumes that the husband was an awesome guy which is like well, we don't know that we see him for two seconds and he's being distant. And he was cheating. On her so I feel like it was like a slate writer telling on themselves situation where it's like. Well, he was her husband so I'm sure that he it was just you know he was tricked. He was you know because women you know women be tricking men and whatever one of the oldest rooms in the book but I do think it's interesting that I mean. I don't really necessarily want them to burn any time in this movie like talking about this husband I don't really care but it does seem to assume that like he was a great guy and therefore all of the blame for this infidelity on Juno right? Yeah. I do you really think about that? He is kind of looming. He is kind of looming over the movie because we think of it I mean I really love how they told the moments like I felt like it was so to the point like we did not fuck around we didn't get little lovey-dovey moments but that moment where he walks over to Juno when they get out the raft Are So shady. At Beth catches on and I'm like that does Kinda shady to for not saying anything I. Feel like a good friend should say something personally you know like if someone if my one of my best friends in this trio. or my husband was cheating on me with other friends bitch you better. Tell me you know you to tell each other things and you have to believe each other in. Honor System so System June no is clearly like I. mean takes two to Tango and this situation and the friend betrayal like that's the worst. That's a horrible thing to do. But I do but but I I don't think that this movie really recognizes the to Tango Situation Unless Sarah is so like galaxy branding her own grief, which we know she hasn't that she's like well, I can't hold my husband accountable at this point. So I'm shifting the blame I don't I don't know. A again, like I understand Sarah's anger and feelings of betrayal when she finds out, the Juno was having this affair shirt but to the extent that you're going to let her die and be eaten alive by these like cannibalistic cave dweller, you're saying and like I I do kind of I'm kind of assuming that this is what Neil Marshall going for is that like this experience has like hardened Sarah so much that it's like you know you of wronged me and this is a game of survival and like I don't need you to survive anymore and you've rung me so fuck you I'm leaving to steal your car I guess yeah. Yeah but yeah, I don't know I. Mean it's I'm Kinda I was kind of glad that like that was I mean it it is definitely a thing and also I feel like is compounded by the fact that nominally Mendoza is the only woman of Color in this entire movie and she is like the villain of the story and she is a temptress and she is you know. I mean, it's a lot of negative stereotypes like all foisted upon this one character she's also the only American character but. People are horrible and they'll probably your husband. I. Mean. Just also the fact that she was the one to like trick them exactly. We're not going to the cave where where like safe and it's actually been charted. We're discovering this new in her the what she tells Sarah is that you know I was doing this for you were going to name the cave after you like this whole thing is so that you can like help get over your grief I don't even know what we're logic was I will say that line made me laugh a lot because I'm like imagined naming a cave Sarah like why? Welcome to the Sarah K.. Your. Name Sucks let's let's pick another. No but yeah yeah I I was looking into and we sort of talked about it already but like the casting process for this movie because I was curious like. Was this a movie that was written for women specifically, and it wasn't originally which which I think is kind of interesting and like hearkens back to stuff we've talked about before where it was supposed to be a cast of men and women but then Neil Marshall's business partner said, hey, horror movies never have all women so marketing and Neil Marshall was like okay and then, and then it says, and again this is we're about to like give him like a trophy for the bare minimum. But. It does. It was said in a lot of press at the time that after deciding, okay I'm going to cast you know all women in in this movie he talked to women he knew my God. Like the thing that male screenwriters never ever do he's like I asked for their advice and I asked you what are the things that they say and talk about them like what we're like a creature you've never delved again also give the damn movie to a woman to direct and to right oversee like how many men were behind that camera. Movie that's island I know yeah. I'm seeing for the for the sequel the editor, The mail editor of the first movie directed the sequel, which is like come on. Come on cheese but but I do I mean it's like I mean as far as I mean Caitlyn, you've talked about this before in terms of like your classes of like. A male writer that wants to write about women the least you can do is do your homework like talk to you and I don't know a The interactions with especially like the hanging out at the beginning and stuff like that felt pretty authentic I don't know I I was like a light impressed. I was like all right now Marshall talked to a woman about this just imagine yeah I like that they were all hung over to. Like, yeah. I like that they all got like. Smoked weed low key and. All that and I was like I was like these are I really didn't think deeper on. Yeah. It's like we're GonNa make them petty like Sarah's character was just so much more of a tool than an actual person likes. To like helps that shit up and make things happen because I'm like you know if you are the type of person to just going kill your friend that your husband Cioni with. Bitch, maybe deserve be cheated on. I just don't like I mean I like that. You have a depiction of like these complicated female friendships where like one of them is doing something wrong and like going behind her friends back and having this affair like people are complex people make horrible mistakes. People do really bad things but like again, the movie like the suggestion that she's like well, I know we were best friends up until five minutes ago. But now, I'm going to kill you. I just the thing for me like the first half or maybe even the first like sixty minutes of this movie I think are like really good for looking at it through our lens of like women are shown being very capable. We see them having physical strength. We see them being athletic like all this stuff there do I like that it seems like there was care taken that like each woman in. The. In the group has some like specialty that is not like Mary Sue that has established in their character that is able to move the action for where there's like someone who's a medical student, and so she's able to do I eight when someone's like gets busted and like everyone has some knowledge that is able to assist in moving forward, which is like good right and and you know women don't always get. For sure and like we see them like have to fight off the cave dwellers in a way that is not sexualize like one of the like one of the major tropes of horror movies and especially like slasher movies is women being sexualize, and then also being shamed for being sexual. So you don't get any of that. They have like outdoorsy skills we see Sarah like. She. Figures out that there's like I think what's kerosene in an old lantern she uses that to light a torch which she has to do like a flint Kinda like Balas. Cool. I was like Oh. That's where I would have died I guess like. Right, exactly. So we see that we see Becca is the one who crosses like the ceiling of the ravine and like all that upper body as she needs to as far and you can tell how much she's struggling but it still like you believe that she would be capable of that. then. It's bath who like notices, the cave painting and like interpreted because everyone else is just like this is nothing and she's like, no wait like let's read this. Let's like look at these. The first yeah. The first chunk of the movie. It's all this really cool stuff that you see these women do and I was like, Oh, I and I, and I didn't exactly remember how things ended. So I was like really getting all geared up to be like this is like a feminist masterpiece like definitely there's not enough diversity. It's five of the six women are White Very Hetero. Normative. Of Seeming to like suggest I thought something was being suggested between Holly Juno but then it's kind of dropped I. Don't know. Yeah, I did. The moment. Yeah and I was wondering if they would just make it explicit like. To either gay or bisexual characters. Awesome. But but then they kind of just drop it and they're like, no, no, no no, and then holly, like even is like, no, no, no, no no no no. No. I, WANNA have a lot of Hetero babies and you're just like, okay. Park for her way to baby. So I think there's like some really cool versions of the horror genre that we're seeing in this movie but then man gets Fridge D- A man? Yes. Yeah. He and the only man we see or at least the only like humanity man right gets killed almost instantly. So it's it's a lot of like cool subversions but then like by act three. The script writer was like Oh wait. I forgot that women are really petty. I have right this into the movie. There are also in a huge vagina there I'm sorry I just can't say it enough I like. I just feel. So just I don't know like I. Think this is a very inventive subversive horrible veep but like man making horror movies, they literally cannot help themselves like they can't help themselves. There's a huge vaginal metaphor in egg freezing gold went. Down to the I mean the pool full of blood at the heart of the I mean. It's just like it's like that's the uterus Al we get at Hi Ni like. Just call your mom like I don't know what to tell you. I also feel like usually when we see women who are hallucinating and films or like you know are seeing things that we audience are also seeing with her yeah that usually it's like you're just crazy you're making it up or it's like some older woman mother characters like you're just seeing things but I think everyone doing that with our was also kind of breaking that stereotype of like sometimes people don't believe people like I think that kind of like that we were seeing everyone will June gas lighting her but even Beth is like you're just seeing things. It's OK buzz like it's. They should believe her if you like they show us to be more sympathetic because she just lost her child and has been which in the grieving process year is like a second like that's really not a lot of time from like what your life was going to be. The rest of it then turns into nothing which I also like they don't spend a lot of time on the grief. That thing that happened, right you get link flashbacks of her having. Dreams or visions of like the accident and stuff, but we really don't know. We don't learn anything about her daughter her husband before they die. So it's like, okay I thought that that I don't know that was kind of. In, in terms of how she is gas leaded by her friends, I also thought it was like they were dismissive of her because of her grief and also because they're like, well, you're you're just being like on edge because a cave just collapsed on your head two seconds ago and I'm like. Well, that's a great reason to be on edge but. Like, right you know there that was one that was another subversion. There's some I mean we haven't gotten to the parts of this movie that I love so much. But that was version that I thought was fairly effective of. I don't know I was thinking at the beginning of this movie where something deeply Traumatic Rob's of women of her family instantly, I, went to midsummer movie that I think couldn't handle that plot point. I wanted to like I just fucking move the opening sequence of midsummer I just like some of the most irresponsible like treatment of mental illness I've ever seen in movies period but. I think this movie toes the dealing with grief as plot. I think better than a lot of horror movies tend to, and it's like I'm not a huge were efficient outta there. I'm sure there's other visit dealer that well but I, feel like there is key maybe a tendency and correct me if I'm wrong but a tendency to treat grief as a hindrance. Where like? I think that you know what Sarah's going through actually end up kind of serving her in this situation it motivates her to survive even though you know she's dealing with it it doesn't prevent her from handling the situation at hand even though her friends seemed to think it is we find out almost immediately like no, she is not. You know like she's not being unreasonable. What she seeing is there she's telling the truth and it works against the friends to disbelieve her. Because, they think that she is just like in a bad place. So I thought that that plot was was kind of cool of like she's going through this very heavy horrible thing but it's not. You know it doesn't make it impossible for her to survive it actually kind of helps her survive. Everyone else is kind of like I don't know. We don't really know anyone else's back story except part of Juneau's only because of the husband and other than that like even stairs trying to find out like what everyone else like has kind of back home they like have very small talk like so what man do you have back home which I was like are you just assuming everyone has a man back home what they have a couple partners? What if they have a same sex partner whatever? And also is everyone identifying Assis- here like there was obviously no diversity but I'm shooting marshalls like diver who what I don't know it. That's thousand. Know anything me and fifteen years and also I've been doing it. All wrong. Everyone else but yeah, I agree. I think it definitely is. It's cool like if I were to put aside like my deep thoughts that we've discussed about, you know how it's kind of weird that she kind of flipped you know one point like wait. So now you're now you're total bad ass is like you know covered in blood and you're kind of a cable who has no words anymore I'm like I know I guess if I was grieving and this was just worry was it's like all right no time to fuck in play anymore let's fuck and do this. You know get Outta my way. Yeah. I can't make a whole lot of sense of it. I guess my main thing with that whole scenario is I wish that? When Sarah did reveal the she's like I saw someone I thought I saw before, and now I definitely saw it and I not making this up I'm not imagining it and they're like, nope. The dark plays tricks on you. This nothing you didn't see anything and I just I really wish. Like even if they were incredulous, they should have still been like, well, what did you? What did you see? Do you think you saw or what did it look like and like I? Just I wish that we had seen just them making more of an effort to believe her. That's almost like a story bump to because it's at this point. Aren't they all aware that they're in completely uncharted territory like it's yeah it's kind of. counter-productive to assume that anything you would see is not there if it's like, what are you know? No one's ever been here. You know. But they also like no one knows how to deal with anxiety and I hate to bring that piece of shit movie back up again. But mid Somare was just like that like they are. You know her boyfriend I had no idea how to deal with her anxiety disorder or is she bipolar in the film but like this it's like no one knows how to deal with which I think spoke to something it's like Someone things I, d like often people will just assume that I'm being dramatic or I'm being sensitive or I'm just seeing things. So I felt like when they were like, no, no, it's fine I'm like that's really real I mean the conversation has changed a lot now just in time regardless of dot film really Hap it could happen real life like I think you know as A. Kid, or even up until a few years ago, people still will like you know just assume I'm yeah being dramatic or overreacting. But now there's so much more compassion think in the world or at least in our world and and so I think that now that movie is written, I think there would be more like, well, wait tell us what's going on but I think it kind of. It seems very real that they were all just like, no you're just seeing things. You know regardless yeah. Like you said like they were in uncharted territory so. Anything goes out here like fucking cage dwellers sasquatch anything you name it which they do make a joke about earlier the lake it's probably CISCO CIA. Girl don't play as. Sixty minutes into the film you're. Not. GonNa. Be laughing about that. I mean like they at this point I think it's before this that they find the cave painting and they had found the old equipment. So it's like we'll things aren't what they see. No one's been done here before and you were proven wrong. So why don't you listen to your friend when you open yourself up to this possibility? Open. Yourself up like even opened up this vagina of a case an just embark with it. When I was watching this, I actually have a game I play internally and movies with myself sounds really dirty like I try to guess like the characters Zodiac sign and so I felt like, would you know I was like, oh? She is a stubborn. Relentless? Taurus with a Gemini Moon. Because storace's are historically as someone who dates a tourist towns, your I tourists really. Get to know more about your chart because you don't are you a stubborn person. Really. For something. I can be pretty can be chill I contain multitudes. Wonder what your Munis. I don't know what that means. We're GONNA have to look it up. To find your birth chart, we'll do this after. But then with Sarah, I was trying to figure out what everyone signs were and then also as I feel like it's the equivalent to like you know when people want to know my race for example, it gets like them trying to box me until like what they know about them. So I try I am very like discriminating with Zodiac signs like bitches for sure. Scorpio she's got the loving a you know the loving edge but same time she will cut you very fast. But some of them were a couple of them are definitely sanitary sewer so i. Don't let them lead. You know they want to be adventurous, but they're also going to be really indecisive and just be on their own I think was definitely a such They WANNA be out there but she was just a scared little shit at the end of the day and was like indecisive and was keeping her feelings or leading feelings overrun everything else without seeing logic. Anyway it's a game can go very deep in my brain. 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Visit a Dam Vivo retailer today to experience the XY ninety recharge plug in hybrid for yourself. And Rebecca. So. Another thing kind of along the similar lines of what we were talking about in terms of kind of like women being pigeonholed as being petty that ties into a horror movie convention of the horror movie kind of justifying why people die or get killed. Right. So like in a lot of slasher movies, it's like if you're a teenager who sexually active you die the classics, the classics I feel like a lot of time men having too much hubris or alone bring a map people who won't bring a map in general they get they get. Right excessive pride recklessness that will get a man killed a feel like oftentimes a woman being kind of oblivious or maybe even two nurturing or to trusting or just a failure to exercise logic all will be what gets a woman killed. Rang true. especially, for Beth Beth's deaths scene. Where Juno has just thought off to I think it's like two different cave dwellers. She kills one of them by stabbing several times, which is really cool. Right And then someone sneaks up on her and it's Beth. But Juno doesn't realize this until it's too late and she turns around and stabs in the throat be fair. Isn't Beth like an art student or something I mean. She's she's the one who knows what the cave paintings me and so I was assuming like, oh, so she's kind of like she's an artsy type she's not a survivalist. But she's like. Whitewater rafting she she's true monkeying like all these women are like seemed to be very competent at these like extreme sports than they're doing. So for me like, Beth, what like wouldn't she have just witnessed Juno killing these like cave-dwellers wouldn't she approached with caution and like exercise some logic and not just sneak up on someone who would be very easily startled I agree. But I just didn't interpret that as gendered. I mean I, don't think it was like a very informed thoughtful decision but. It didn't I don't know I didn't read. I. Read that is like thoughtless but not gendered. Especially because all I think it would be one thing if if many of the other characters were men and may died in a way that wasn't so like they're oblivious I would have read that as more gendered but it still but I think it is gender trope and other horror movies with mixed castes. So I was disappointed to see a pop. Up In this movie I mean I guess I guess that me like that kind of I mean that's certainly serves to further Vilnai's Juno even though like when I saw that I'm like, oh well, that's like really unfortunate and of course, she's going to lie about it because you don't want people to get mad at you in they're already mad at you. For bringing them into an unmarked cave. But like and so I. Think that ultimately that decision like further villain is Juneau More I. Didn't care about Beth Ben and then and then, and then when she was dying, she was just go gossiping to the grave. So yeah shoes hanging in there though 'cause awhile pass when she came up it was like. Wow you. Literally drowning in your own blood for the loss like. This yeah. So this isn't pro and that you can still speak enough to gossip with your friend. To Mayer it, but that was a very bizarre choice. Yeah. I do agree though Caitlyn you need a good point about how it's like yeah there was a lot of. Darby where there was a lot of cool shit that happened with the characters up until the cave-dwellers came out and then the writer was like Oh shit yeah. Women are let's do all these things and who knows because I'm sure what you know as the writer listens to this episode. Very defensive and no, I didn't think that but it's like, but there's something to be said in that you know the same conversations happening about white supremacy in the covert and over behaviors that we all harbor is a black person harbour and that you know it's like we harbor a lot of sexism and I think the writer maybe thinking well, this is. Women can keep it cool until shit goes down and then they're gonNA turn on each other they're gonNA gossip to the bloody grave gonNA stab each other in the league with the pick. But I think that like if the I hope that the writer here's that and that Neil Marshall here's that and it's like well, why why is it that when women are saving and protecting themselves like that? They actually just fully abandoned all the rules right there. Were like rule number two don't leave each other and then they left each other. There was no like you know Juno couldn't be in leadership anymore for everyone which I thought made sense for her character because she was on like going to her own shit she's like I can do this cave trip with Sarah God no I. Can I am a horrible person but I, just need to like make up for it but everyone else it was just It was just weird. It was like all the character strength were abandoned. As, soon as the cage vollers which I think obviously what happens going to do it perfectly. But Yeah I, guess when I think about it now, that was obviously when the movie's shifted but the characters greatly shifted and the writer like abandoned. Yeah. It doesn't apply that. Yeah. Like women at their core or whatever. Like when you're down to that survival is core that these are like inherent behaviors where I've. which sucks and it's like I don't I yeah more often when you have like a majority male pass, it's like the hero jumps out when you're like Bronco to your. Revenue Survivalist I haven't seen that movie but like whatever you get inside a bear and you'll live man because that's what we do. Is that. But more. Like I'd just. And it does seem like I. I would be surprised if Neil Marshall was like explicitly thinking like you're saying Darby like well, women are like this so I'm going to write that but but it is just like another weird example of someone kind of telling on themselves right possibly unintentionally men men be Tolan on themselves man all. A hat this says men be. Commits merch. Next big thing I wanted to touch on and I- foreshadowed this a little I have a huge. Is the demonization of disability in horror movies. We've talked to some extent in past episodes about how mental illness is demonized in horror movies a lot we've talked about how aging tends to be demonized especially. As Women Age is often treated as like right and the end of a, Vich Old. Women will be a part of the horror imagery. Talked about really yet is how disability is also demonized in horror movies yet where because in movie the cave dwellers are blind. This is a pretty calm. I mean, you see it in a few other horror movies. The quiet place comes to mind in you know any any number of disabilities will be used and described to the killer or the monster or whatever it is. That is causing terror for the protagonist. It's just goes back to the as. Part of why so many horror movies seem so horrifically dated when you watch them back later is because the villain is very often just what is the example of the other that the writer and filmmaker is threatened by which is I think a lot of racially motivated villains that we've seen in horror movies over the years because that is what the white writers thinks is. Going to be scary to people that's where vagina mouth comes from that like there's there and yeah I think mental illness and disability in general kind of goes into the general like you know it's the writers like well, people aren't comfortable with this and I have no interest in normalizing it. So let me basically weaponize people's unprejudiced says, and affirm them through reading this monster. Yeah. I have a few quotes from a piece. I found on medium by Laura Elliot. It's entitled what's so Scary About Disability, Laura discusses how there are recurring tropes and horror movies that basically say disability equals. And disfigurement equals morally bankrupt and how a lot of these tropes in horror films are are rooted in an date back to a lot of old literature, religious texts, folktales, fairytales, things like that She says quote perhaps you might think that these stereotypes are no big deal but the fact is that the horror genre is the genre in which disabled people are regularly represented at. All in two thousand, fifteen report by the media diversity and social change initiative found that the top one hundred movies that year only two point four percent of disabled characters spoke or had names despite the fact that one in five around the world are disabled unquote. So there's so little visibility representation of people with disabilities in movies in it's so rare that you see any kind of. Respectful or responsible representation because disability is so often again ascribed to the villains and horror movies and that's really the only visibility you get. and. Then another quote from this same article says quote it's worth remembering that while horror entertainment frequently depicts disabled people negatively there's essentially no other popular media to counter act these depictions while there are countless disabled and disfigured people portrayed as killers and villains rarely ever get to be the heroes and frequent negative representations, breeds, ongoing stigma and prejudice and quote. So yeah. I. Mean. Historically and filmed. This is just been unequivocally in film. I mean. This movie came fifteen years ago movies like a quiet place came out two years ago. I've been lightly encouraged in recent years of there being more representation of disabled people that are played by disabled. As well and it isn't just I mean there's it's basically a trope of a very famous actor playing a disabled character in order to get an Oscar nomination like that's a pretty common trope but I will say in a place and I literally I literally just walked it for the first time last week but the daughter in that movie is deaf preteen. Played by a deaf actress Millicent Simmons and that character I mean is like one of the central characters her disability isn't played for evil or jokes and it ends up. Being something that she is able to. Work to her and her family's advantage in the. So I am. Other, and this is an example that is in. Let me be clear. Not a very good movie, but it was one that I have seen before. Did Anyone Watch unfriendly dark web. Yes I saw. I did not see it. So I've seen them both I it really enjoy the unfriendly franchise. It is so silly but in the second unfriendly and it is the worst on friend twist everyone's a hacker. But. But there is a lead character that is deaf. She is a romantic interest. She has a whole arc. The part is played by actress and her disability is in leveraged against her. She is a character that exists in this story and I mean, we don't need to get into it too much like she and her boyfriend are kind of like there's communication issues but I thought it was dealt with pretty respectfully and. So, even in bad movies. Like. There but but I, you know I don't think the dissent really qualifies as a movie that is handling this. At all and. Caitlyn kind of going off of what you were saying earlier of the fact that it's yeah. This group of women coming down into a cave and essentially colonizing. I wasn't thinking us at first but now that we're talking about it I, mean I think there might be some I. Don I wonder if Neil Marshall was like very intentionally setting this movie in the Appalachian Mountains which I mean has like a huge history of indigenous peoples land being taken from them and being essentially erased from history afterwards. So I was like I I don't know when I was. Thinking about how where he intentionally set this fictional cave because it was all shot in the UK I think very so saying the Appalachian Mountains feels intentional I I can't say what his intention was but that also I don't know an even just in the course of this conversation occurred to me Yeah. I think a well overall I. I'd be interested to hear from our listeners with disabilities on how This movie isn't the absolute worst defender of demonizing disability in the horror genre but it is certainly presents and I'd be interested to hear our listeners perspectives on that just kind of in this movie, and then as a whole friend of the cast Kristen Lopez has done some really great writing on this as well, and will will link some of her articles. Best is definitely not a lot of solid ally ship from the other woman with her in this, and they think that's like a big part of what we're seeing the movement is like how important ally ship is. Disabled people in this specific conversation, you can continue to like advocate and fight for the rights. But at the end of the day, it's like, how is everyone getting to show up? How are they going to help make space? How are they going to help learn and so on and I think that? Yeah this movie I think it's like. A D and not an F. and Effort for allies ship and I think Beth is the only reason why the greed went up and any sort. Even if she does get chatty cathy at the. Gossipy. I wanted to bring up this book that. Actually Alex Jacob Scott me once house of psychotic and autobiographical topography of female neurosis and horror and exploitation films. And it's a really dense and a really interesting formatted book but I really like it because I've also done more not so much on like the physical disability side of it but more like the like mental disorders side of things just like as I explored my own anxiety and depression and mood swings through my twenties and seeing and movies like my friends did that to me I would be. So. Mad. Why are they treated, Brennan the carrot you know the protagonist still stands with them at the end. I'm like, bitch you should have my back when I'm having a panic attack dumped demonize me and like isolate me and this But the book like dives into different films mostly horror films and you know like Rosemary's baby is a great fucking example of a timer he's totally isolate. Someone who's like experiencing all these like you know legitimate things within her female body. But then also you know is being possessed at the same time the demon baby But I think you know, I think movies like die and like ginger snaps is a great example to of like talking about like teenage girls coming into their own and everyone's like, Oh, you're just having your period I mean. They become aware of, but also you know having not and so I, think that I like when movies do that like you were saying Jamie with a quiet place how that ends up working to the families benefit we're actually like works with the story, but you know like mid Psalm, are you know I know that guy tries to fuck and talk about mental health stuff like God he sucks. So. He at and I. It's just it's for me. It's like it's a lot of what I've experienced. You know I think what? I paid a lot of attention to good intention shitty impact a lot lately, and that guy is the epitome of yeah. Good intention. He wants to bring awareness to this but then like horrible fucking impact. Yeah. So I think that when people want to write about disabilities I'm glad you brought that up I. Think people need to think about like a are you really the person to speak about this like is this your place? Are you really going to? You know not further Vilnai's this and further isolate this from the conversation of inclusivity and shape and like. Be. Are. You just going to like bring the awareness to that needs rather than just using it as a tool because it's exhausting watching it as a tool I hate being seeing people who are like me or people who you know physical disabilities and they're just being Vilnai for that so. But wouldn't it be cool if they were blind and it's like is it cool? You know like, why? Why like why are you ascribing a disability to the thing that is killing everybody, right? Do, what are you trying to accomplish with that right? Yeah. We see in nearly enough of you and just intersection. -ality. In general like we'll see white people and a disability will see. Black. People in poverty and then we'll start to see more and more layers by the more layered intersectional films come more with like the indie films they get the lower budgets, the lower marketing and distribution ceilings saw like I would be so curious to see these films you know as we like, you know layer up these identities and these oppressions and privileges but like with the bigger budgets and I think people you know can explore that a lot more with the bigger budgets that they got. This guy kind of had an opportunity and he he caved in. New. In that also will come with allowing black indigenous people of color to make their own movies, people with disabilities to make movies about themselves Queer people to make movies about them and your God please, and since we're talking about horror this month, I mean, it's an honor that is so open to different characters and and so it's kind of I. Mean it's frustrating to look back and this is fifteen years ago, but it's frustrating to see a John that's uniquely qualified use its power for bad basically of by. By demonizing people instead of you representing them and lifting them up and yeah, you get a lot of freedom horror movies I. Mean I feel like the marketing for it I I feel like a lot of people make horror movies unless it's GonNa be like a quiet place or something like generally like we know we're going to like stay within this pool of money and demographic audience and Yada Yada Yeah I love horror movies because you get to explore these types of topics I think for me midsummer in hereditary which So. You know words. I'm just like they were so disappointing at the end of the day because unlike you had such a fucking opportunity, you had such an opportunity and blue and people won't stop congratulating you regardless. Yeah Yeah Tony was fantastic but Tony Klutz always fantastic angel. Expect expect anything less firmer. I hate. And don't like his movies and. But people just can't stop requesting them for us to do. They will be fun to cover when the day comes but like I, but I'm not in a rush. I I'm maybe I'm inventing this. I'm pretty sure that this is something that he said where he's like I'm not going to direct a movie for Awhile I'm just going to fund other people's projects and like, yes, do that and don't and you I better not see you funding the project of hat white guys day. Mike God also okay. The irony of most horror movies being made by and being about all. White people and marginalized people being the people who actually experienced of the horrors in their lives. and. Like horror movies are usually allegorical, right? The monsters never really a monster, the monsters, an allegory for something, but I feel like even so like there aren't that many allegorical films about like racism or Queer Phobia or classism or anything. It's not ones that are in the Maine's like us in the whatever that, what is considered the horror cannon because I'm sure I mean we know that these movies exists and that were there out there. It's just they're not brought to the forefront that the the way that they should be. A weekly quarantine movie club with some with a friend, and then he has a bunch of other friends and so we meet every Sunday at five on zoom. We watch a movie every week and I've really enjoyed it because it's like the first you know Caitlin I met you in a very white world and And felt like talking movies as much as I love. This C-. Gems it was always like I felt like I was always coming with this kind of intersectional angle that if you or Catherine Thera for the night, then I was like. Dude I'm like out here like drowning just trying to talk about I was trying to talk about the movie, right? It's like I think all women can relate to lake people ask us like how is it being a female comic? Female writer like I just wanted to talk about being a writer I. Just WanNa talk about being a filmmaker and so I feel like when I talk about movies, there's so much more of the layer of like having to talk through like the issues of it or like the lack of intersection -ality in it. But in this group were talking about movies, Yada Yada and I feel. Bad because I actually missed it. I haven't watched yet but we watched tales from the hood. I have yet to see I haven't seen it either yeah we're trying to watch like sometimes we dive deep into like, yeah. The white hat like movies whatever. But there were also trying to you know we watch like the watermelon woman which was like the first out black lesbian made film. But yeah we're like trying to explore move more movies like and I. You know it goes back to like. How I see it as though. Jamie we're just saying. How many movies don't really get out there and it's like well. So like anyone who's marginalize like we might not get the meeting. But if we get the meeting, how much do we get to pitch in the meeting once in the room once we get the movie green light like how soon do we get to do the movie once we get the movie like you know we`re Taking into production is it going to happen on our timeline? We're going to get the budget we want. Are we GONNA get to hire the people wanted to how much purdue Yada Yada Yada? The ceiling is always there and I think that you know a quiet place my biggest issue with it is like why? Why this movie now I love John Krasinski finally blunt whatever. But like. Why did we need this movie and I think get out to me I. Thought Get out in the US we're going to be these like perfect like gateway to like films and I've heard from friends who are like pitching movies out the like have get out. You. Know the like the like we have like the black horrors safe they and I'm like. Are you serious like what are all of the movies that we call Classics Godfather Goodfellas Casino like it's all the same shit over over still letting scorsese. So like why why do we get the ceiling widely black filmmakers get the ceiling. Like you go deep that could be a whole other persona but I think that that is something to said, we think that there's not as many out there. It's like you know people are like there's no female filmmakers. skews you hello no, that's that's like the most frustrating fucking being the world to hear that just it's like unfortunately. So unsurprising how it's just assumed that people want to see the same. Had White. Stories told over and over and over, and that's why they're made over and over and over and why the bar is so low. This is I was Caitlin. I feel like maybe I was talking about this with you not too long ago but there is a moment that emily. Yoshida friend of the cast mold out of other friend of the cast Korean along worth's we have so many friends we. Send our our show has been on for five hundred years But it's a while it's true. For for as long as the cave people have been developing their wall climbing at delays in any case. emily pointed out this part of Krona's most recent podcast season on. You must remember this where she mentions that Wes Anderson when he was developing bottle rocket and his first movie The way he got that movie produced was that he wrote a nonsensical sixty page treatment treatment didn't even format like scripted know how to format a script, and then instead of someone saying this is not a script go learn how to do this. They said we love it. You seem to have a lot of potential. WE'RE GONNA BUY WE'RE GONNA, teach you how to write a script and then they like taught him on the ground because that is I mean privilege firing on so many levels of like. I don't know and just how infuriating that example is an. To so many filmmakers that have no, I mean truly no choice but to come knowing their shit and are still turned away when wes Anderson is like, what is what is the script? How do I do? That is a move like you're. Like it's just such bullshit. I mean going back to kind of the horror conversation like so many horror movies are about like zombies and Vampires and werewolves and any number of other creatures that are not real because like the CIS- had white men who are making these movies have to invent things here whereas again marginalized people live every day in fear because they're so often the victims of discrimination and oppression and violence or worse they're they're taking marginalized oppress people and turning them into mind the villains. Yeah. So like. Does anyone have any other thoughts about the descent specifically or? I think it needed some more black people. Yeah. Yeah and buy some more. I. Think they could use some more black people. That's my real of my final thought. Hard agree descended because because you know there's some great. There are some great black actors you know one or two out there that you know might have been around at the two, thousand and five. So they didn't come around. Seoul. Twenty eight Yeah I think that was something that was sitting with me but also honestly I'm fucking used to it. I'm so used to like some of some of my favorite movies are not black lead an created films but then also it's like you know the ways in which I allow that to just be okay and I've tried to boycott like watching white movies. It's fucking hard dude it's like it's super hard because our ceiling is just so so low then. Even, if there was a black actor on that, they probably would be coming out with the story now. But how you know other they felt it was an entire white male cast you know and this, and that which I'm really curious how many women were involved in that we're not in the hair makeup or producing department because that's typically where we are onset more often we're were hired the most in people want us your organized so you're so together. Let me be dirty and be grip come on now. But I be a best boy. Playing any I didn't see any women in at least high up behind the scenes roles. Yeah. I definitely want to watch it with the commentary because when I was reading all the Trivia, it was like five minutes into the or commentary and they would say certain things. So I'm really curious about I want to hear the tone because I feel like you can always like I can start to share combs my way through tones and commentary while they really hated the process like Naomi Watch talking about Mahala drive. And her audition is just so sleazy and disgusting like David. Lynch. Like told her. She came in and then she had no makeup on 'cause she wanted to seem natural. She was new to L. A. Very similar to the character she ends up per se and he said comback with makeup. And so she's like and when she talks about it, she sounds sorta breen like so you know I loved and I put on makeup and I came back and use all this is better. Think. Yeah and I was like man, but it's those things that we allowed to not be. Canceling factor or something that we think is not worthy bringing up about someone, and so we all just have to unlearn the really harmful things that we learned living in this like patriarchal structure, right? It's like I'm so. If if the descent Had A bigger Turano and was more like I. Think it's like a like I? Think it's got a good following anything ever had it more mainstream following the it seemed like they were Kinda hoping for I'm curious if some of those actresses would be coming out now and say like you know we could have done more. We should have made it more neighbors because it's when I'm watching a lot alike high supposedly high up like white woman do the like I. Should have done more I'm like, yeah bitchy should have done or are you just sitting there out because your privilege wasn't being tested? Were you fifteen years ago? Yeah, exactly. So I think it's like you know I think low key this movie did speak to lake the white supremacy that like definitely boils within that and I'm like, you know obviously, this was a good movie to take a chance with an all female cast, your a sister, and there is something so. I don't know I mean and it was a commercial success at had a three point five Pat British pound. Budget. And made as yeah I don't know but But in then in US dollars, it made somewhere around fifty five to sixteen million at the box office. So it it it was a box office success, and honestly this is one of our most requested or films to cover on the PODCASTS we've been getting requests. For, Long. You're welcome. Everybody. Happy you. It's a solid fill man for what it was when it was. You know I think if they made that movie now like even the movies I see coming out now I'm like are you fucking serious what year is? Why is this movie happening right now? But I think for two thousand five for them to do a bunch of women diving into caves with the budget that it was like I. Think. Like there's not many other films like that. Like I think you know like twenty days later on we got naomie Harris there's so many Naomi actresses I get them all mixed. Naomie Harris I think she to me when I saw twenty days later skirts gives me this black woman. But this kind of short Pixie flatiron haircut is kicking ass and saving this sad little white boy. Okay I am here for this but I feel like we only get those every so often and then we got you know not get. I. Didn't like US thought US was her shit to be honest but I love. That lupita like blew me the fuck away. So it sucks as a black person like every. So often I get someone I'm like, yeah. But then most of the time you're like, no, there's not really anyone. Oh, she is anxiety I have things -iety. Well, there's that. yes Well does this movie past the Bechtel Sure does almost constantly exclusively. Yeah, and it's interesting because I, I, I didn't like check this to the to the hilt. Let's say but I feel like even when they are the subtext is about her husband, they don't really say his name and they don't really mention him. It's all kind of like. subtexts more GR-. They're talking about grief then they're talking about him. Except for like that one line where I'm like Juno, what are you doing where when she says? She's not the only one who lost someone in that accident. I'm like. Why are you telling yourself like this? You're like what? but outside of that yeah, they men aren't really mentioned at all. Yeah. Yeah it's it's true actually in La thing about every time a man was mentioned. You're like a man Oh, I forgot about them. Exist you know like? Yeah 'cause Sarah asks a couple of them like so do you have a man back home and then yeah, we do talk more about the grief of the husband and the daughter rather than him. That's fine by me use a nice little break. Yeah. There were way too many questions like they almost like win around the circle. Do you have a boyfriend or husband? Yeah that was ridiculous which was like too much but at least they also talked about like, yeah, I like. I'm in medical school here are some of my interests? Yeah. It did sort of feel like, okay. What do women talk about when they're not being killed by? Or and also when they are being killed by yeah. Well, the men and the movie are killed a young S. yeah and that's fine. The the sequel also kills a lot because there are it is a a cast of men and women, and all the men are also killed spoiler alert. I'm curious to see that one now I got talent. It sounds pretty good. It's not. It well, it's. It's the first one is a better crafted and like better structured movie and I think a more effective horror movie the second one I think course correct some of the issues with. has another a woman of color as one of the lead characters who and I won't spoil this but you know you're not unhappy about what happens really with her so okay, it's a little better. Is Her storyline lake. She walks up to the cave and it's like Oh hell. Out here I wish. Like I'm gonNA break the stereotype no blockers ziying this she black kind of lat necks. Okay. Okay. Great Yeah. I'm GonNa Watch it. Looks like, Horse Shit Watch it. So as far as our nipple scale examining the movie from an Intersectional Feminist Lens Zero to five Nipples Again, there's a lot to appreciate about this movie and there's there's a lot to be upset by among this movie. Yeah it was very equal it. I'm almost inclined to give it like a two point five split down the middle because I mean it's a cast made up entirely of women. That's rare for a horror movie they are driving the narrative you see very capable physically strong outdoorsy athletic women who who you almost never see They aren't sexualize. It's just a group of friends. Doing. Sports. So the Cannibal until look the cave dwellers calm and then you have I mean, the only woman of color gets. Vilified the the ascribing a disability to the cave monsters the pettiness the behavior of some of the women at the end it all sort of cancels out. So yeah, I, guess I would give it like a two point five. It is very much a a movie of its time in. This is a rating of of the film through Intersectional Lens Not, as a film as a well I. WanNa say cinematic piece but I think we should start evaluating films threw an interception. So our yeah, our rating is based on like the the Lens the only reason I'm I'm torn in this is because I feel like I typically rate films through this Lens but now there's other people doing it and I'm like, am I on the real world right now you guys this is way better. Okay. Because people will be like, Oh, no I just thought it was a good movie. I'm like Oh were you not uncomfortable by like I was Oh. That's so nice for you and your cute little privilege over there. you. Give it I think I. would give it three nipples out of five. Yeah. I'll split the deaf I'll do two point seven five. Wow. Very I. Love the Decimal Zone here No Yeah I. I think that like given the fact that it was fifteen years ago and it is there is a lot that this movie is doing in this Sean, her that no one was doing in this genre. UNFORTU- as as infuriating as I find it I do feel like there is I don't know how to properly phrase us but like there is kind of assistance like a tendency may be in movies of like. Once. A male director proves, oh, there can be a you know a horror movie starring all women than it. Unfortunately kind of does get the ball rolling to maybe a letter woman director or movie about women but. I, feel like there's a lot of moving in the right direction in some ways and then in other ways I, think complete like stagnation in terms of taking in the colonial context and demonizing the one woman of color I, mean so so you know the the things that Neil Marshall. On he misses on by a pretty large margin. But there is a lot happening here. That isn't happening really anywhere else in this space at that time. So I'll give it its due there and it's really cool to see Sarah. Commodity. The the period pond and get. Stuff I don't care what anyone says it is it is a man being afraid of China's thing again was also very says normative get a life like anyways. Yeah two, point two, point seven, five, I'll give one Sarah give one to I give one to Juno because I I don't know why I was like you know Juno made mistakes. But who among us has it? Who has who among us has their friends to certain death? On purpose. And give the last three quarters to bath because I did they get does funny that she was gossiping when She's dying. So, go well Darby thank you so much for being here for having me what a treat that we just the fact that we all descended into this conversation together. Rolling are we're crawling over the bones of people to get? Yes. Where can people check out your stuff following line etc. Yes. So I'm pretty active on Instagram at Dr Blazey Dis, and Delta is an Alpha R. B. As in boy L. Easy y been doing a Lotta. Customer Service calls lately have to spell my name out in letters like that. what else do you do in quarantine but fix problems you don't really have. And Yeah I'm a filmmaker artist consultant. 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Constitutional Primers: Second Amendment

"The News is twenty four seven and we know we can't get everything in two shows a week. So we now provide expanded content every weekday. Every morning I provide <music> news briefs and our Instagram facebook stories where I give a quick rundown of the day's top headlines and every evening I do a deep dive into one of those headlines over on our patriotic page supporters of the show received nightly nuance on everything from global conflicts to twitter outrages so when you're thinking I can't wait to hear what Sarah Beth think about this check out our stories stories are patriots because we might have already shared our thoughts the constitution and its amendments are the foundation of our democracy and the center point of so many controversies in American in politics we decided to take these important amendments one by one and go back to basics if freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are enshrined as fundamental values. We went understand them. I'm on a deeper historical level. We put together this series on the amendments to do just that. After a brutal war for independence America was divided sided on the issue of state versus Federal Power the American people have just won a war against Great Britain a government they believed had too much power. The the founding fathers believed it was necessary to protect those rights and arm the people with the ability to fight back should the U._S. government ever proved to tyrannical a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed but in the past two hundred and fifty years guns have been used in ways that the founding fathers never intended gang violence school shootings and assassinations have rocked our nation and many American citizens are questioning our right to bear arms now more than ever it is important important to know and understand our rights. We as a nation cannot move forward unless we understand our past. This is constitutional primers. President President Kennedy died at one P._M.. Central Standard Time one of the worst school shootings in our nation and Swat teams are still sweeping columbine high school looking for more explosives. I'm not GonNa let somebody tell me that I can't protect myself. Protect my family. I said that this could have been my is another way of saying that is a trayvon. Martin could have been me thirty five years ago. You're for this conversation about the second amendment. We reached out to our audience to say who do you know who has released scholarly look at the second amendment. It's really hard to find new discussions about the second amendment. We all kind of have the same tired pry it from my cold dead hands mentality or Australian Trey in barbeques are the way forward and it's just tough to find something new to say about the Second Amendment and so multiple people recommended Kristen Goss who who is the Kevin G quarter professor of public policy at Duke University and Dr Dawson. I had an extended discussion about her scholarship. Her areas areas of expertise are firearms and Crime and gun control. Now you'll hear that Dr Goss has a perspective on gun control. This is not a completely neutral look at the Second Amendment and we're GONNA follow up on this a little bit later and talk about the perspectives of people who see the second amendment as much more rigid than Dr Costa's but I hope you enjoy this conversation that comes comes from a research and academic perspective and I think Dr Goss so much for her time and sharing her expertise with us so I'm an associate professor at university the Sanford School of Public Policy and I'm a political scientist. I study how everyday people participate in public life to affect public policy. Let's eat and I've had a focus on guns for about twenty years. So I wrote what I guess is probably the book on the Gun Control Movement meant although that that book is now ten years old very out of date because things change so much <hes> in the past decade and I've also written a number things about gender book about women's organizations as well. I was just watching before we started interview that you did about <hes> sort of the paradox of women's political participation and so does seem like you have a a wide ranging portfolio of issues that will be interesting to our listeners. I'm very excited to be talking to a woman about gun control and the second can't amendment. I'm wondering when you you've you right and talk about this issue frequently. Where do you like to start so when I think about the debate I think there is a sort of enduring truth that is still somewhat true but as really being challenged recently in that is this idea idea that the pro gun side is well organized intense single issue voters and can have influence beyond their numbers over policy policy debates and that the other side of gun regulation side is sort of defuse unorganized doesn't feel intensely doesn't vote on the issue and you know I think there have been times in our history where there's a great of truth to that but I am long thought that the the Tuck so-called intensity gap between ending the program <unk> non-regulation side is really more of an organization gap that the Pro Gun side is much better organized and more smartly strategically organized at the local all state and national levels than the program regulation side and I've done some writing in recent years however that suggests that while the pro gun side is still dominant in terms of numbers and you know perhaps in terms of you know kind of organization <hes> the pro gun regulation side is is catching up pretty fast and there've been a number of reasons for this so the first is that there is more money available now so raising money for causes like this is always going to be a challenge but some philanthropists and everyday people willing to step up and provide resources so all movements is need resources and I think that you know that resource-gap is still considerable but it's the program? The regulation side is getting enough money to do it needs to do and part of that are the kind of closing the resource-gap is that you know social media and the Internet really really lower the cost of organizing and so you know if you think about the struggle that the program regulation side has you know they you know if you care a lot about gun control. You may not automatically know how to find other people who feel the same way you do or we're not meet naturally to <hes> you know sort of organize lot. Strategy mobilize is and so forth <hes> and the Internet in particular facebook as provided these virtual spaces for people who might not otherwise find each other to find each other reinforce reinforce each other to build a sort of identity community and to sustain those ties online during the gaps asks between offline participation so you know the resource thing is closing the gap is pretty significant. The another significant can't development is the really is now a critical mass of of survivors and family members who are in this for the long haul what I started studying the gun control movement or non movement twenty years ago. I was really mystified as to why victims and survivors were not were involved but the one thing these mass shooting John <hes> date created instant networks of people who care deeply about this issue and are not going away and it really started started in earnest with Virginia Tech which happened in two thousand seven those families really bonded and has you know started rapping incorporating <hes> victims from on subsequent shootings as well as from everyday gun violence which is still wear the lion share the homicides are happening and so these you know and guidry neutral groups have gotten really smart about mobilizing incorporating utilizing big sort of moral voices of victims and survivors not only for volunteer activists but also has <music> <HES> staff numbers in And she you know she is relentless and she has taken incredibly seriously here in my state so so I would say those are the resources his <hes> and online innovations and the incorporation of victims survivors have been really significant developments and you know MOMS demand action. I think is quickly become the kind of the grassroots base of the gun violence prevention movements and you know that it was born out of Sandy Hook that has continued to grow which is unlike what we saw with a mom's movement that arose in the wake of the Columbine Columbine is on the other shootings in the late nineties which on a huge march but didn't have the capacity in the organization structure to really <hes> remain viable and grow for years thereafter although it it did remain viable for a number of years after the Big March two thousand Dr Goss I noticed that you are talking about the pro gun movement and the pro gun regulation movement and I think that we might be having two different conversations in the United States right now now. It seems like the N._R._A.. In some of the pro gun side of the debate talks about it as you're pro gun or anti gun whereas a number of us are having a conversation sation about both being pro gun for those who want to have guns and pro gun regulation. Can you talk about kind of the evolution of that <music> split in the population over time yeah I might verse book which was in in essence it was an analytical history of the gun gun control movement really took to task the <hes> the early gun regulation groups for sort of creating this in these policy goals that really were not haunted of attack that we have a strong deep gun gun owning culture in the United States. We have a lot of people who have firearms use them responsibly. The vast majority will never do anything bad at their firearm and I think the Early Control Control Movement you know created environment in which <hes> law abiding gun owners like those in my family like those in many people's families were put on the defensive offensive and were being treated in a sense like they were you know dangerous or bad citizens and that wasn't the only because for the N._R._A.'s sort of turn to artists uncompromising stance but I think it was one of them and the program movement and I call it that intentionally okay because in the time that I've been studying the issue gun rights groups have gone from viewing firearms as Immuno Necessary Zaeri tools of salt offense and defense of democracy to viewing them as affirmative goods in public spaces and and so it's a subtle shift but they've gone from being kind of necessary legal tools to affirmative markers of identity and patriotism elitism and of social organization and so I I often say that the gun debate is really not a policy debate on it's a debate over identity and sort of the vision of kind of what the society would look like <hes> and we really have Mary different ideas about that and I think that explains how you can get findings like you know majorities of gun owners majorities of N._R._A.. Members were your background checks private sales so you know kind of commonsensical modest gun regulation measures but you know fight any sort of political movement toward firearm regulation in practice and the N._R._A.'s that a very good job in some ways it was a precursor to what the the campaign rhetoric president trump of creating exploiting this kind of real ideological goal difference between people live in cities people live in blue states and people who live in small towns and suburbs and you know in in central parts of the country country so it has really unfortunately become a an identity debate over identity over civic worth and I think bad is getting away are lawmakers reaching policy goals that would be probably supported but you see that as a relatively recent convention I mean I get emails from people who explained to me that this the pro gun culture is an essential part of the American fabric as though so sort of the cultural identity marker is synonymous with the constitutional underpinning. It doesn't sound like that's always been true so if I think about my dad and ram father's generation of gun owners firearms were part of life they were part of you know they were they were the tools of self protection or hunting varmints or or whatnot so in that sense he united guns obviously been a part of our culture they feature prominently definitely in the kind of classic movies and that kind of thing probably more than other countries but the idea that you know guns are are fundamental to your sense of self worth you know that there are people questioning yourself worth you have a firearm that I think has been kind of twentieth century a late twentieth century really development there but you know there's there's a little bit of truth to both understandings of culture. They're slightly different when you you talk about gun regulation measures. How much do you talk about sort of the physical weaponry? I find that a lot of conversations that I have about quote commonsense gun regulation a gun owner says to me. It's not common sense because most people don't know anything about guns and so they say let's ban assault weapons. They don't know what as an assault weapon is really good weight and I think you know historically. I think that's a fair point that gun owners no known traditionally a lot more about the physical features firearms arms and gun control activists just wanted to say you know ban the damn things and you know. I think it is complicated. You know there's there's some I think are some truth. Choose the argument that you know the way we decide define assault weapons as way in a firearm that has two or more more of these you know this list features versus one or more of this list features. I can understand how from a gunner's perspective that seems like a silly distinction. Josh and I am not going to claim to be an expert on the INS and outs of every feature that you can apply to your A._R.. Fifteen I I have heard A._T._F.. Agents and others who are experts on that said that actually some All don't have a most people don't have a clue you know about the kind of the specific holding in the Heller Decision McDonald's decision that came two years later her you know most people have trouble naming their congress person or knowing how many branches of government we have so <hes> I think people know generally generally that the second amendment is the one that protects gun rights <hes> whether they would know how courts have ruled on challenge Second Amendment challenges to assault weapon bans in the states and that kind of thing rush you know I would be I would be doubtful gun owners presumably those who are politicized at least are probably much more aware of those <music> findings on holdings because they would be relevant to to their lives more than to someone who doesn't own a firearm presumably we we'll be right back after this short message from our sponsor. 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I'm not sure that our objectives are very clear to each other especially since we often talk about gun regulation in the wake of mass shootings <hes> which gun owners within quick to point out most gun violence is not done in mass shootings right so how would you articulate the objectives of sensible gun policy so I would answer that the answer about any kind of policy with policies scholars about this policymaker should be thinking about this. Is You know do the costs outweigh the benefits so you know any regulation is going to impose a burden on somebody. You're some entity civil rights laws are abortion or guns or whatever and you know we ideally as society are as lawmakers representing us as a society <hes> go through a process of weighing the costs and benefits trying to minimize the cost or target the cost in ways that are make sense and maximize the benefits so I think the gun control movement or the early groups in the nineteen seventies were saying you know the way you maximize costs as you have a big bold proposal. You got a national ban on handguns that will just take care of the problem and you know the end and certainly if we banned all ban guns confiscated all guns. There'd be less on violence violence that goes. I think that's axiomatic but what would be the cost of that right. I mean we have a second amendment. There will be a cost to constitutional rights. There will be financial costs. There would be probably civil violence. There would be cost to that so the guns are moving. I think has gotten a lot smarter about saying okay okay. How do we serve narrowly target? The costs on Belushi pairing them and you know kind of get the benefit there and minimize the cost other people so for example we have a series of what are called hitters so there are people by under federal law are not allowed to purchase <music> transfer her own firearm Zafira and so these are people who have been adjudicated mentally defective that term but essentially people levion involuntarily committed to a mental institution some people with severe mental illness supposedly people who are alcohol and drug abusers allow. That's really hard to enforce for people who have restraining orders or been adjudicated for misdemeanor domestic violence anyway if people have a fugitives it goes on so we we have these federal hitters that how are those GonNa be enforced well. They're not going to be worse by federal law enforcement the A._T._f.. Design of agents they don't do that. The way that these laws are probably most practically going to be enforced by state and local law enforcement. If that's going to be the case you need state laws that you know kind of replicate those federal hilliers and empower law enforcement to enforce them so if I become a missed you know if I got guilty of Misdemeanor Domestic Violence <unk> firearms what has firearms does the judge require me to relinquish that lamb. You need a law for that or you need a process in place for that the police come to my house and get the gun may need to be empowered under state law do that. There needs to be resources in police forces to to do that so there are these kind of implementation acts at the state level that I think has gotten less attention over the years that are certainly not part of our public debate ever but the Guy Control Regulation Forces are Oh really starting to kind of move on those kinds of gaps and you know so to my mind you know that's the way that I would think of that as an effective policy we you know I think AAC people can agree across the aisle that people are beating their spouses or threatening <unk> firearm but we need a way to get those firearms away from those offenders and to prevent them from getting firearms so again the cost be borne by the bad guys but you know people who are not abusing their spouses would be able to keep their <unk> recreation or whatever so you know in my mind. We should always be thinking about how what kind of do the most good with minimal cost you In the public conversation because I think what you said is an expanded sensible version of something I hear from gun owners a lot which is we don't really need new laws. We need to enforce existing laws and that sounds true based on what you just said and I think that they are absolutely right about that. That's been a an N._R._A.. Mantra era or as long as I've been studying this new laws to support loans already on the books the twist on that though is sometimes to enforce on the books requires a passage of new laws us as a mediate lateral yes or the national bubble the Brady Bill what is the Brady Bill It created a background check system for people who buy firearms from licensed dealers right right around the book books before but there was no way of enforcing them so before the Brady bill you know I go to a gun store and the gun store and says are you valid and I say no. It's honor system right and then I gotta buy the gun so there's no way of enforcing those prohibit irs. It's all it's it's you know the the purchaser purchaser <unk>. I'm not ribbon okay so the Brady Bill created a system while let's check you know let's call a number and see if you know oh you. The buyer happened to be in the database of people who are you know <hes> prohibited from buying firearms under federal law. That's all it did so so it was essentially enforcing a law creating a mechanism to enforce the law Gary Hat and you know I think a lot of these so I think the gun gun regulation movement has moved in that direction toward those kinds of firearms now in the wake of the Florida shooting you know will there be a new push for federal assault weapons ban. I don't know <hes> that would be that would be different that would be more of a old school policy in intervention of certain banning adding a class of weapons. <hes> one thing that I think Senator Feinstein's has introduced <unk> bill that would raise the age of purchase of A._R.. Dr Fifteen to they treated more like beer and in less like getting a driver's license or whatever you do at eighteen a sixteen lottery tickets right you can buy lottery because it's been a long time so bringing the age whether that something that you know in the Congress could find agreement on. I don't know it's it's something I haven't heard discussed it would actually maybe maybe in that category of kind of placing the burden on people who have who are at heightened risk of gun violence so we know that rates of gun violence on suspending are concentrated in her late teens to mid twenties like that that that group of people mostly males you know commit a disproportionate amount of gun violence whether it's mass shootings or kind of every day while until we have in our in our society so we'll see where that goes this from an academic perspective. I think federalism is a really interesting component to the entire conversation about guns do you you see a more effective route to gun regulation as the federal government sort of setting policy that there needs to be implemented by the states it's or state by state regulation of guns themselves. You know I think the federalism question is is really in a way heart part of the debate so we are a big diverse country and there are really different levels of gun ownership and and opinions about firearms and their place in society across the U._S. and so you know one of the things we like about having a federal L. system is that the states allow for Laos to accommodate a diversity of opinion and political ideology so on some level you want states to be able to make laws that are tailored to the citizens that live there the problem Luma course comes in when you realize that people on firearms travel easily across state boundaries so Indiana is more prone state than in Illinois a lot of the reason why has Reggie pago particular has a <hes>. You know reasonably high <hes> gun violence rate is does firearms are coming in from Indiana which is a few miles away and that was the inside of the early gun control room there. which is you know we if we're going to do anything effective? We've just got to do it nationally and I think the I'm not getting a very good answer is that they get is a really really difficult question again. You're sort we've tried to balance competing concerns. which is you WANNA balance states making laws reflect the interests and perspectives of citizens but you also salon be cognizant of the fact that states have invisible boundaries for persons of trafficking firearms and so forth there have been perhaps in the past to kind of create policy that strikes a balance between those two for example Virginia to have a one gun a month law so and it was intended tended to prevent people from coming Virginia buying a budget firearms and then taking him up to New York Massachusetts which have much stricter laws and the that that that law was repeal of years ago and from what I've Seen Virginia has again become a source state for firearms in you know in other estates up the I ninety five corridor? They're they're drafter. Sandy Hook there was a proposal to stiffen penalties for trafficking firearms which would try to get at at this question where states could have Antonio passed laws that make sense there but you know try to get out this issue on week. Law States undermining strong law states so I don't have a good answer for that question but it is really at the heart of a lot of a lot of discussion and I would add I think the current political discourse which really has set you know quote Unquote Costal Liberals against you know <hes> everyday people from the heartland Atlan <hes> is really not helpings debate at all because that that political rhetoric which pits us against each other and encourages this kind of a division really does you know underlie in a way the the debate over guns so in a sense guns tomato gones becomes kind of a mirror of cut it a larger political debate that we're having right now and larger divisions over combat identity as Americans. Thank you so much Dr Goss. 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Willie Geist Talks Journalism and the Politics of 2020

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Willie Geist Talks Journalism and the Politics of 2020

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I wanted to tell you that after we went on morning, Joe for the first time I became the last person, I believe on planet earth to realize, who your father is Bill guys to I watched my entire childhood on. CBS Sunday morning. It's true. My, my dad has a book out right now. And I've been doing he's he has Parkinson's disease is hard for them to get out and about. So I've been doing a lot of the promotion people were like, oh, I wondered why you were talking so much about Bill guys book, it just all came together. I felt like it was all I was like, okay, everything, everything makes sense. Now, I'm just intrigued because I feel like you've been in journalism so long. He has this long career and your your spanning this time period where media has changed so dramatically. Like, what are you see, as the ark of that? Evolution what are you guys take away when you're talking about the industry between the two of you? I mean it's obviously, it's totally different. He got out of Vietnam and had a couple of jobs in between, but eventually started working for the Chicago Tribune, the suburban turbulent to journalism school, I and he was reporter for suburban newspaper. Is he says he never actually made it to the real trip, which would they let you go downtown and? Cover news. He was out out in the suburbs cough covering the softball leagues. The men's beer leagues out there. And so, you know, the amazing thing is when he eventually he left from there to the New York Times, where he was a columnist headed called the about New York column. That was three times a week. And it's amazing to think that he wrote a column three times a week that was really reporting and there were snow Google. There were no phones. You couldn't sit at your desk, and like just bang out of hot take on something that wasn't considered a column. He had to go out and find stories, and he did it for seven years at three days a week. And so I sort of just as someone who's now living in the media universe. We live in now where everything's on your phone, just kinda marvel at that, that I was like, how did you find these stories because they weren't big headline stories? They were human interest. They were characters around New York, and it was he would literally just get in his it was a Chevy citation a company car, which not to brag with also our. Car because he brought up. It was a Bauge Chevy citation and he would go drive out to queens or Brooklyn or Staten Island or wherever and just kind of like find stories, or somebody would call him with a tip, or to hear about something from a buddy, and he found stories and wrote him up in a way that was really funny and insightful and deep and touching in some way. So I mean, the arc is unbelievable. If you start back that far to where we are now in a not a twenty four hour news cycle. But as you both know minute to minute news cycle. It's a totally different universe that I think my dad just he, you know, he watches now more from the sidelines as an observer, and he just can't believe the amount of information and the pace of stories and the changes that happen every five minutes so that storytelling is obviously a part of why do it and be C on Sunday today. And in this day, sit down podcast that ability to be genuinely curious about other people everyone's talking about your discussion with David Letterman because you have that running through you, I think, but. You also are doing a lot of news. I just wonder how you think about the relationship of trust. You have with viewers given all of the different hats, you wear and how you want them to think about when I'm doing news when I'm doing commentary when I'm reaching you just as another human being sharing the world. How do you make sense of all of those roles? Well, I think, you know, there's been this debate about reporters should they be objective? And I've always thought that, that, that was a kind of a false debate because no human being is objective. We all have our implicit bias is based on our experiences or where we grew up, or a race or religion to me, the goal is to be fair, which is to say the audience knows that I'm not on TV driving an agenda, and I'm not trying to root for an outcome or I'm not trying to fill in the blanks to get myself to the end of a story or a narrative, or to support a narrative that's out there. I just want to be fair. And I mean I, I try to do that on morning, Joe and our interviews obviously there every day there. Thousand ways you could criticize President Trump and rightfully so. And most of those cases but if there's an argument to be made for the other side, I think that should be part of the discussion as well. It's not to say I wanted to be the both sides guy. Yeah. But this, if it's clear cut, you know, you just state the facts, but I guess being someone who of you or can look to and say, I feel like he's an honest broker. I feel like what he's saying is something he actually believed that feel like he's trying to help us find the truth of this story and not to sort of help us, reinforce our own beliefs, or support the narrative of the day, if I can do that. And I really do think there's so much opinion on morning Joe. If I can be the person who and I think about this every morning, what is the person at home? Wondering about our conversation because political shows can get so deep in the weeds. And so into the specifics of subpoenas and district courts and all these things you just feel like an have a land of detail that. You just want to know what's the bottom line? What are we talking about here? Why is this important? So if I can occasionally pull us up out of those political weeds sometime and be fair about it. Then hopefully I've provided some service to people who watch it on a knowledge, gap. I think so often you start you dive in with conversations in it's hard. You can't start from zero one on one on every single subpoena are every single congressional investigation. So it is this balance of trying to figure out where do where do we start? How do we explain? So people don't feel like they're already behind before you even get started talking. I think you guys do that, too, which is like, just explain it a little bit because I think, and I hear this anecdotally, but I, I think it's true statistically to is that people are exhausted by, you know, and they and especially after the mall, report came out and take the MSNBC audience, for example, probably hang its hat on the Muller report and counting on a certain outcome. And the outcome wasn't. As clear cut as they all hope they said, okay. I've invested a couple years in this Muller investigation, our viewers would say, and I hope it leads to impeachment our viewers on MSNBC might say, and when it wasn't exactly clear cut from Muller. In fact, he said that he couldn't find the evidence of a conspiracy, and he left open the question of obstruction. It was frustrating, I think to viewers, and they felt like gosh I was so in this every morning, I woke up at six AM, and I stayed up til midnight with Brian to the end of the night. And I followed every twist and turn in this, and I think there's just a level of exhaustion, and I do hear more and more people saying, let's turn our focus now and figure out if I don't like President Trump. How do we beat them who's the best candidate in twenty twenty but I think there, I think people get tired, and it's hard truly as you say, people have lives, you know, they're not they're not as immersed in this as we are because it's our jobs, they're going to work, and they're going to school. And they're taking care of their kids, and they're actually enjoying their lives out in being outdoors, even perhaps, heaven. And, and there they just can't you know it's too much. It's too much, and they wanna know how the story ends. I think you're totally anticipating our next question because as twenty twenty gets closer. I think what you're touching on too, is that especially as someone in your role. You're dealing not just with news and information, but the emotion the emotion of people who feel frustrated and overwhelmed, when I'm realizing the closer, we get to twenty twenty in the more we talk about it is that there is like trauma. I think there's real trauma from twenty sixteen that people still feel that people are still very upset about. So how do you think about the role of journalists as we're talking about news and events? But also all this emotion that's wrapped up in these elections. There's a lot of opinion on cable news that plays along with and is part of that emotion, because at if your host on MSNBC, and primetime or on an opinion show, not are not, our news hosts, you know that the audience is upset, you know that they're fired up. And in some, some ways, you're you share that, you know, I think some hosts would say they share that frustration. And they help provide evidence of that narrative, and evidence that there is reason to be upset. So I personally try not to fan the flames of that, and just add detail, add facts at information, and if that information supports your emotions than maybe that will get you more fired up. But I think to me the intellectual argument right now is to find the right candidate to win an election against Donald Trump and the emotional, that's still there. And it's still there in congress to among Democrats, is to find a way to impeach Donald. Trump or somehow get him out of office before he leaves. But I think post Muller report, I think that's a less reasonable way to go about it, and even strong Democrats and super straw. Listen, I live on the Upper West side of Manhattan. So I hear from a lot of people and it gets the beating heart of progressivism on the east coast, and they, you know, yes, they're upset, but I just hear more and more from people on the street. And from people, I know that they're ready to dig in on the election and win that way. And I think they probably had their hopes for impeachment, but I also think they understand that impeachment may satisfy emotional need, or fill some kind of void. But the fact of the matter is, it's not going to run them out of office, because the Senate, which would have to convict him and remove him from office is controlled by Republicans, and they're certainly they've proven time again, that they're not going to cross Donald Trump and certainly not going to overturn the results of what they believe was a fair election in two thousand sixteen. You have a lot of I'm going to say. My kind of Republican on morning. Joe folks who are trying to be thoughtful about the issues, who are not blindly loyal to the president in some cases in to the president. I wonder what you see happening around. What was called the never Trump movement. And if you think that we'll see a resurgence of kind of old school, Republican politics or we just in a new era, to be interesting to see whether it's in two years, or six years, when, when Trump goes away how to Republicans put it back together. I mean you have my co host Joe Scarborough, his conservative, Republican credentials are couldn't be more clear. He was a Republican congressman and was part of the revolution of ninety four and, and all the rest of it. And he left the Republican party and Steve Schmidt and other guy who's been on our show, a lot who ran John McCain's campaign and many others. He's he left the Republican party. So I think I think what they're saying is long as Donald Trump is the Republican. As long as he's the face of the Republican party as long as he somehow the face of conservatism, which people like Joe cannot believe. That's those words, even come across people's lips given who down Trump spent his whole life, which is not a conservative. I think they're Republicans like the ones you're talking about, you know, George H W Bush Republicans who don't see their place in that party. And so how do you go back in a couple of years or six years after Donald Trump has gone and stitch that back together, you know, because the, the people who've declared themselves in name themselves never Trump since the campaign have been marginalized by Republicans who support, Donald Trump has kind of squish is who left the Trump train, and should have been on it, and it should be supporting a Republican president, no matter what he does. So how are those pieces put back together, you know, if there's a more conventional nominee in twenty twenty four and they don't meet all that bombastic and don't. Have the characteristics and don't have the swagger, that Donald Trump has which will be hard to replicate. Do the Trump to the Trump Republican party support that guy or that woman? I don't know. I just it's hard for me to see how all those pieces fall back in place after the huge fracturing and the vitriol between the different elements of, you know, the old school, Republican party that Ronald Reagan, new, and George H W Bush, even George W Bush knew because even people who are conventional Republicans like William bar. You know, he was H W Bush has attorney general, I think a lot of old school. Republicans hope he'd come in and be a guy who sort of, you know, reinstated that old energy of the old Republican party, and he obviously has not been that. So if Donald Trump can corrupt even someone like that who was part of the institutional Republicans for generations. I, I don't know. It'd be interesting to see what happens to the party. How do you what happens post Trump? I don't know the answer. It's amazing. That we decided that evolution is squishing us, you know, I, I think we should range swishing. No, I know and even questions like climate change, which are going to become more and more important to voters. And we've seen that, as millennials get older and degeneration after them, there's a focus on that. You can't I don't know how you win continuing to say. Climate change is a Chinese hoax. You know, I don't know. That's not it's just not a tenable position. I don't think that's a political position. You can argue that how much we should be doing about it. And how urgent the problem is that we really going to be under water and ten years as some people suggest and how Gore's been saying for twenty years that might be an extreme position but to deny that it exists is going to be an increasingly radical position. So I don't know. I don't know how you grow the pie with some of the positions. They have right now. We will be right back after this short message from our sponsors. This is comfortable can't be work appropriate. Ladybrand wants you to look good and feel good. 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I think we're dealing with these emotions were dealing with a pretty intense candidate on one side, and least, and we'll see who comes up for it on the other side. But I think we're also going to have the next sort of evolution of how we deal with quote, unquote, fake news. So it's, it's now we understand that there are people perpetuating members of other countries or whatever, perpetuating this false information. So I think there's a higher awareness that this is a threat. But how do we how can we learn from somebody inside the industry? How to be better consumers of that, how to sort it out how to understand our role. I've been saying on the podcast. I think we should do like a hard coral World War Two loose lips. Sink ships, public information campaign, you know, like we need some like graphic designers on this or some posters come with that, too, right? Collectible items. Yeah. Different elements of quote unquote, fake news. There's the fake news. Donald Trump talks about, which is news. He doesn't like which stories that are unflattering to him, even when facts will there, they become fake news, from sources like the New York Times, which on the one hand, he worships and whose attention and approval. He's craved since he was. You know, twenty five years old, and New York City, and on the other hand, if they write something bad, even based, in fact, baby come fake news. So that's, that's his fake news. But then there's actual fake news. As you say that comes through social media, that comes through Facebook that comes through Russian Botts who start rallies that turned violent that seek to divide the country that to me. That's a that is a huge and bigger problem for social media. But I think my job inside the press is to be trustworthy. I know that sounds kind of corny and Ken, someone who turns on a show that I'm on trust that I'm an honest broker. Because I, I have found myself tuning out a lot of news, frankly on both sides, because I know exactly what they're gonna say or I know the narrative that's going to be fluffed that day. And I find that frustrating and I find myself fishing around for straight news sources, I mean I know anytime somebody tries takes a stab at, like Steve bomber who one of the founders of Microsoft started this group where it's like you can come to this website. Here's the issue and here's the act, here are the facts about it and people will say, well Steve bomber. I don't know if this is true. So forgive me not Steve bomber. I don't know. He was a democrat or he wants donated money to Hillary Clinton's. How the hell could you trust his what his version of the facts what he's putting up there? Nobody nobody trust anyone. And I to me, that's the real danger. You can't you know, conservative doesn't trust that. He's going to turn on MSNBC and get get the facts and progressive doesn't believe he or she can turn on Fox News and get the story. So where do you go for, for straight news? You know. And I think to the extent somebody can provide that on a major network like Lester Holt does on the on the nightly news or a lot of our news anchors on MSNBC there. I think the value of those people is only going to go up because I know where I can go for opinion. I know where that takes coming from, but where's the place I can go, and I trust the person to shoot straight and they're not predictable. And they're not fluffing a narrative, and they're not going along to make their viewers happy. But to tell me what happened in the story. So I think that's the way to puncture fake news. Unfortunately, I think we're so far down the road of both sides, not trusting the media that comes with the other side that it's hard to sort of thread, the needle and get in that lane and be the one, but I think there will be a reward for people who are viewed that way, and there aren't a lot of them left. But I think there are enough that we can come back from it in being that person to have such a wide. Range of topics I think on our show, people have come to trust us even knowing are openly advertised biases because we also talk about what's going on with our kids. And I think they feel like I know you as a human being. And so, I know where you're, you're telling me something based on your personal beliefs. But I'm okay with that, because I know you and it seems like you have that opportunity as well in a big way through, and I think being open as big and I think the reason people trust you on your podcast or when you come on morning, Joe. When they read your excellent book, they say, you know, okay, they're upfront about, who they are the printer about their belief, and I think the reason you guys resonate is because what you're saying. I think you have gone up and over the bubble, which is to say, Twitter and cable news, where the feelings are so intense that people will say, I don't know how anyone goes to thanksgiving dinner with an uncle who supports Donald Trump boycott dinner. To me, and probably to the two of you and to most people who live in the real world. That's an absurd idea that you could not no longer. See or speak to your relatives because of politics, you can have disagreements about them, and I'm actually like, making the case and stealing it from your book right now. But you can you can have political disagreement and still get along with people. And I hear I, I hear it even some occasionally in my own family that, you know, they that they're so driven by what's happening on the news, that they lost friends, and they, I okay? I mean you can have fundamental disagreements with people, and you can say, I don't understand Oncle or friend, how you can support a man who wants called for banning a billion people Muslims from coming in the country or who's has a policy of separating kids from their moms at the border. I can't it's hard for me to understand why you believe that and I get that. And that's totally real in rational. But I also think that we have to recognize. The humanity in each other. And what I'm trying to say it's a long way of saying is, I think most of the country is where the two of you are. And I think it's on the intense heated margins of people who live on Twitter, and obsess on cable news and God, love them. We like people obsessing cable news, but I think that's just where the feelings get stirred up, and I think that's not really where we are there was that big New York Times piece a few weeks ago, or maybe a month ago now that just showed front page piece that showed the Twitter, progressive Twitter is not actually Representative of the Democratic Party. And I think that's just such a good reminder for people that the loudest and most intense, voices are usually not the most Representative one. So if you can like you said, explained people who you are. Here's where I'm coming from. Here's who my family is I believe these things. You heard me talk about them, you know where I stand but I'm still gonna tell it to you straight, and I'm gonna shake your hand and have a beer with. Even after we disagree that I think pope Alie most of the country or at least more than not will agree. And, and think that you're an honest broker silently while you're listening to your interview with David Letterman, obviously. And I've been listening to Howard Stern on Terry gross. But there does seem to be some like reflection from these giants from, especially from the last couple of decades. Looking back. Do you see any overall positive trends in journalism in these sort of media figures where people are taking a step back insane? I see what I did. I see the cost of it. Let's try to go in a new direction. I remind just inventing that because I'm an optimist. No, I like your up. No. I like your up modem and I like your thesis, I think what I would say about Dave is that happened after he left, you know, the rest of in the middle of it right now? Right. He's been off the air for four years now. And he basically lived for thirty three years lived in breathe that show, whether it was late night, or later late show, and he said, I woke up in the morning all I thought about this show I went in. I was happiest in my day for that one hour, I was out there. We're trying to be Jay Leno and then I go home, go to bed, and we'd do it again. And it was almost like after those thirty three years, he stepped through this door and was like, oh, here's the world. And here's some perspective on life. And here's me spending a lot more time with my son, and here's me having other interests that weren't so hyper focused on TV in politics, and whatever we were talking about in the news at night, and I think that came for him in retirement really, because what you heard in that interview I did with them is a guy I thought was interesting who made very clear. He doesn't like Donald Trump doesn't wanna movie president does want to have a second term, but who also sort of was if you listen to the full interview, especially on the podcast was almost chiding me and the media and others and saying, okay, every day you wake up and you go to bed and all all everybody says, on TV and the radio is he says, you know how what a bad guy? He is. He said, I think the line was, let's stop yakking about what a goon he is and figure out how to beat them in twenty twenty so it kind of goes back to your first question, which I think some people, perhaps many people are coming to the conclusion that you have to beat Donald Trump at the ballot box and get serious about that. But to me that sort of perspective came for day when he wasn't in the game every single day. And he realized that there was more to life than politics. Exactly what we're talking about that can be a part of your life, and it's obviously a very important part of our, what's happening in our country, and people are suffering for our politics. But you can't make it everything that. In your life. So he also said, you know what I would do what I would have done in hindsight, and what I'd recommend for other people. He said, was do that thing you really good at and finish doing it ten years before you think you want to and go do something with your life because he said, he wished ten years sooner that he'd gone out and had this perspective, and gone, and help people and done of things with his life. But you know, it's easy to say after the fact when you're in the middle of it, and things are going to hundred miles an hour. And you're succeeding, it's a little harder to pull yourself out sell fascinating. That's exactly what Howard Stern was saying. I mean, I think he said, I had the singular focus all I cared about was getting the number being the most at one point, like I was had one in four listeners, and I was depressed I didn't have four and four listeners on the Long Island expressway. Like he just couldn't see his way out of it, and he got divorced, and went to psychotherapy, and I think it gave him that moment to be like, hold on. Wait, let me like zoom out. I think the lesson is like let's not be a singular focus. I think best, right? I think people feel from you. The. Reason that you're an honest broker, and they do trust you is. They don't feel that all encompassing drive. You clearly work hard. But there's more to you than just your work on the today show in MSNBC. I mean, there is, and I hope there's, I'm going to work as hard as anybody and we prepared for every interview and ready for the people who come on our show on morning, Joe and always ready to have a good conversation. But I think you know people ask me like do obsessed you sit and watch. I prepare like hell the night before I ready for every show. But I, I think particularly today, these both of these political times when it's in your face twenty four seven when I get home, it's my kids after school, and it's like if the TV's on at night, and this is no disrespect anybody. It's just what I need to do. It's a the Yankee game or something quick there. You know what I mean? It's like something that's unrelated to the thing that I've been swimming in all day, even when we're off the air after the show reading on your phone and getting updates and everything else that we're doing. You're ready for the show. You just have to step out of it. You know, you have to step out of it to keep your sanity. And I think, again, I think that's how the country feels the country wants to step out of it for a little bit and, and get ready for a president. Election. Thank you so much for being with us on the things that you're in the middle of what are you really excited about that? You want people to be sure to check out. You can also tell us what's in your Netflix queue. I would listen to that as well. Oh, you know what I want to start watching the have this isn't Netflix and HBO? But that show her noble. Have you heard about that? He's so heavy though, I just don't know if I'm up for it. I know I I'm kind I'm, I like the idea and I'm hearing a lot of people say it's great. So I, I wanna I wanna watch that one is. That's all right. I don't know. But, you know what a Netflix comedy specials, you know in these times John Mullany catalog can't recommend it highly enough. He's got three specials on there. Those are all. John me. He just so good. We do horse in a hospital. A lot. Yes. So horse in hospital, the signature, I've a nine year old son who loves Mullany. And so we tolerate a few bombs just because he's a comedian. We wanted to learn it's very, it's very exciting to them. We're, we're sort of introducing some language now as he turns ten we went to universal the theme park in Orlando a few weeks ago, and my wife gave my kids permission to say curse words on roller coasters. She said on the drops. And if you go upside down, you can say whatever you'd like that's amazing. Stretchy. Really abuse the privilege though because I was sitting next to him. And it's like on the slow Klein, they're already screaming all these words, they're not allowed to Santa's like no, no, no. That's not. That was not the deal. That's the scariest part, though is the click, click, click, click click I feel them. All right. So you're making the case for more profanity from the nine year old. Okay. That's fair. Tell my eight year old all the time they not to give those words, a bunch of power, they're just lazy, but they're not. I don't want to make them more attractive by making a big deal about them. Exact and don't use my school. Don't get thrown out of school cause, that's annoying to find another school. And. Yeah. And it's a reflection on me. They think I'm a bad parent so roller coasters and Mullany stand up specials with the only time deadpool. Oh, god. My son saw dead pool the other day, not all that. But part of it, and that, that is just a minefield of language. So I'm really failing as I listened to myself here as father, but. Oh man. But yeah, I, I would say if you haven't heard the Letterman podcast, it's fun. It's like forty five or fifty minutes of me and Dave after going fly fishing sitting by a stream and talking about his career what he thinks of late night. Now what do you think? So Donald Trump his new Netflix series, which will be in the queue, when that comes out soon, I thought that was fun for me to do as a longtime fan of his and hopefully people enjoy it. 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"In Production! I kill my own baby to save a village and I, go back in time and kill what I take the promotion at work with strings Italian muffins for the rest of my life. If it meant I didn't have to. Would I have Satan's child? Each week to discuss new ethical questions ranging from historical decisions to relationship problems to brain, busting moral choices that questions can be complicated to discuss, but they're always fun to talk about because they force you to look deep deep deep with inside yourself. Will you like what you see? Sarah Mellon Lund. Maybe, yes, you will. I. Think you will sir so so full disclosure Sarah. Lund is my sister. I've got the lund sisters in front of me and I don't know what to do with them both. We got the funds and the big ones. This Sarah's our you call yourself a big ones while no David used to call me big, the big one big one. WHO's. Who's David David before? He's not. He hasn't been around a while, but he's used well he he is one of my good friends. I haven't seen. Are like the Virgin suicide girls. Drum! Yeah but David is like the lund brother, but he's. He's the black sheep like he's disappeared and we can't find him Yeah, he's doing something. Yeah, he's gone missing I'll tell you what he's GonNa get a reckoning. Comes back into town to tell you what I hope well stay away David. I'm getting weird vibes from the sisters. Stay, you're safer where you are. Now Sarah Thank you so much for for coming on the big ones, we should also give a shout because Sarah runs the areas social media yeah. Amanda Maria you're like pulling the curtain back the. Curtain Sarah it's glass. It's it's a glass window in. It's broken. It's already been shattered. Well. That's partially true, but I like to feel like I. Feel like when people send like DM's and stuff to the areas, messages on on Instagram I feel like they think they're talking directly to you and usually I send it to you I. mean mostly if they're offering like money or food, but sometimes I feel back I'm like Oh, they think they're like messaging. And Maria and but they aren't. They're getting. They're getting like second-best. They're getting a lund, so yeah I think as long as they're getting somewhere in the bloodline that it's okay. And I think I mean I'm I'm like you know. I'm associated so like I'm part of it. I'm part of the Aereos Yeah. You should say that every time you answer it. You should go in your lucky that I'm responding to this. That's yeah. That's what I do. I'm very I'm very professional. You could have some of your listeners right in some people who have send US messages and give. Give What do they call that? When like P. I'll give witness witness to how? How good of a job I do in full disclosure. Just I just need to tell everyone what's going on over. Here is I'm lying down and I've maybe I. maybe checked out a little. Maria. Have you been eating some some of those marijuana gummy bear? But I did have a chocolate croissants for breakfast. And I'm just I'm laying down so Maria, have you hit some sort of wall? Yeah, I think I have. Yeah I think I have Amanda I think you hit the nail on the head right there. She does look very relaxed. Actually sorry to say it. Maria looks more relaxed than I've ever seen her. I think in in my entire looks going Sarah. She's literally rubbing. Her is like a cartoon close. To a big John and she's holding a little blinky. It's her blankie. It's her pink slinky. And we'll post a picture, but just to set the scene. Sarah how her background as some sort of. How do you describe this Sarah? What is the man that you know very well that this is my bedroom? It looks like like a salon like a like a blow dry. Barring Glendale is what it looks like. Well I mean when I decorated this bedroom, which is real behind me, my bedroom where I sleep. And where I live. I was inspired by Anna Nicole Smith and Rupaul Rupaul for maybe ten years ago. So do you think feather book because I notice? A feather Boa essentially draped over a mere there. Do you think feather Boas are GonNa? Come back in vogue. I don't think they ever went out of vogue. If I was dressing. If I, if I haven't dressed in ten years when I say dressing I, mean like putting on a l. e. w. k. a., Luke. I would have worn a feather boy out. I'm sure. I did wear. If other, go out why I feel like we should you know celebrate? Why does for a half to go around the shoulders? Stu, you know what I mean or around the World Sorta, go around your ankles or something. Where Maria around your ankles or something, just like to have a little fun with it or like? Could you like belt? Yet? Couldn't yeah like a belt. Like why did why doesn't why? Is it not sensual to have a feather boa draped around your hips. There are no rules. I've seen him wrapped around the head. I really liked that look. You can make risk slits. You can make a choke her. You know that's. The kids right now. Why don't they make trouble? Will Bracelets Mini Boas? They do have been declares hello, not like that. They don't have A. Feather full of feathers I've seen I've seen bracelets five never seen a boa that maybe you're American. Girl could wear you know. Why didn't they ever made go? With a BOA SHOWGIRL! You Know Tina the. Team. The. Little, ten year old. I, guess like Shirley Temple. Yeah, toddlers and Tiaras. Tr but it would have been like Tina was born. You know like in Nineteen Ten and nineteen twenty and she's you know on the Vaudeville circuit and she's got her boa in her boxing. Box of tricks. Inter stage. Mom Yeah. Her stage relied as A. As. I WanNa Talk Yar doll. I think that actually be really fun. You realize I could make this for you. You should do the Lauren and makes Acerra can make anything you guys, so if you want. Something made She's just like able to. What do you call yourself weird stuff like? If you want something that doesn't exist to be made I mean I'm not talking like I'm not like an iron worker. I'm not going to be like welding gigantic. Barth made me an airplane hat once, which was my best Halloween costume ever? And it really spend. Remember that it was the coolest Halloween costume ever, and she made me a puppet. Lindemans puppet that I liked I feel like I learned from that because I didn't have that that good quality stretch stretchy fabric. You're supposed to use. Stretch felt I. think that that puppets really nice looking. Thank. You Maria Eight that well so Sarah. Do you have a little bit when you'd like to discuss today? I, do I I was thinking about it for a while and everything that was coming up in my head like all my dilemmas are very dark cited. But. But right now. No. It runs in the family. But I was watching the news and in a little fire happened in my belly because I got a little bit pissed because. With all the drama happening in the world The news suspending. Time on feeling bad for teens because they can't go to their prom, or they're not having their graduation and I don't feel bad for them. I don't feel like that's something that. You know they said Oh. This is where they not not a threshold. That's not right, but like got some rain. But, it's not well. No, but that's what they believe, but I've been driving even around like walk. Taking walks around my neighborhood. There are houses with like professionally printed signs better like Yoke Rats Grad like and there's like. Ten of these just do they have their. Just say congrats, because if you professional photos. Well Did. Your family celebrate graduations. I also feel like Sarah as lund. Our families weren't really big on milestones like that like I, think for my graduation. We did like a nice brunch. Well, yeah, what is I didn't I didn't like come in on elephant or anything? I don't know. What do you mean by celebration like we had a Brunch? Yeah. We had brunch and then we have deliver. Are these achievements are these I mean I. Know You say milestone but? I. It makes sense to me like if if you were living in a community where half of the people dropped out of high school or something like that, whereas really who's thing to be graduating? But here just like oh you. Turned eighteen. It's just the same thing with sweet sixteen parties. Why did you go to your? Did anyone go to Grad night? We didn't have that. I did I went by myself or are they just lock you in the gym? Man and I went to the same high school though graduated June. They don't want you to drunk drive, so they came up with this idea. Well, some high schools get to go to Disneyland for Grad night and you spend all night at Disneyland, but our high school. They just put everyone in the gym. But that's fine. See that for. It's like okay. Well, the if you're just like celebrating by yourself, but I'm talking about. Why is it a new story? Why and why well I will! I had been watching more in May than right now, but I been watching the news in Del. TACO was bringing me a lot of congratulations like the news would be like it would be like the five o'clock it'd be like we're downtown with the protests, and then it would be like before the commercial break. It would be like del Taco wants to congratulate and it would have like five names of people that gradually. Now, that's like community so I get it where it's like okay. Del Taco gets their name out there and then they also get to pretend like they care about their community i. don't think pretending. Sarah I mean I think they mean it. C-, dark sightedness. That's right. Maybe it's just my my. My own projection of things, but it really enrages me, and maybe it's maybe I'm enraged because I should be focusing on. Other things that should enrage me more and I'm just denying those things and focusing on. Things. Maybe but I mean I. Tell You one family a family secret. The London Ns route. Am I entitled in a way by thinking that. Dime better than these people because they're entitled to make everybody celebrate them. Buying a sexy dress and going. To a dance or Doing something that they're going to be doing here. I'm hearing layer upon layer I'm hearing layer upon layer and I don't think. I. Don't think this is one issue here. I think this is. This is more area where you don't understand is out of the list. I kind of mentioned to Amanda. This was the least. Dramatic and dark. I could the least we had. We have to unpack the least I get that. But I understand like I. Think graduation is like a bigger deal than having dimiss well actually I. Don't know that's true because I don't think for me. Walking at graduation with whatever the cap and gown was that important? Other than like I, know Marie and I. Got A great photo together, but we could have photoshop that you know with shop these days you don't need. You don't need that. You can do that in the comfort of your own home. But Sarah did you ever capping where a cap and gown? I did, but it was like. I. It didn't feel like something to celebrate. I felt embarrassed. Maybe just feel embarrassed about about wind existence. We hold on a second. Are we talking about college graduation? Our High School High, school and college both I feel embarrassed and you know me. I'm not shy I know, but you're. You're embarrassed about your college education. Well, we all. I am embarrassed about. But. This is the thing. Is it because do I feel this way because of my personality or my own experiences, or is there some truth in it that we should be focusing on these things and instead like? I don't care. I'd rather see like five seconds of acute offer video, and then back to the important things at hand like the protest, and you know the corona virus and stuff like that and not spend twenty five minutes looking at some teenagers hanging out of cars. With you know throwing cake at each other. Year is it teenagers hanging out in Your Car Snow Maria? That's what it is because at first, the city just said like. In La? At least they were like car. Parades are fine because before they were like. Don't do car parades because it's you know. I I'm in a corporate aid every every day at five o'clock, it's called. Girls. Hours anymore she's she's going backwards. Here's what I think. He was what I think. Okay. I think that. Promise stupid number one whatever we get it. Amanda was Prom. Queen I was nominated Sarah. You are not yeah. It's the big of a deal, but okay. I need to hear more about this. In bottom might be listening and she won Christie Congratulations I. Get it. You want a B i. t know Christie's deserved it. She was more popular. Whatever anyway promise stupid? It's a way for us to dress up in gowns and be displayed before our peers, but okay so. How about this, so I'm trying to think of like teenage me, I feel like I would feel the exact same way. Seventeen eighteen year old Sarah, even though I wasn't as much of Chroma Jin back then as I am now, but what about teenage RIA? Teenage Manda I mean I know. Amanda cried because her interest income and time that was horrible. Told this story before I had the cutest little. You helped me pick it out. But we went to New York City on a family trip. I found the cutest little tangerine. It was so short. It's like this little silk dress, which was it was so cute? Super Short and Sarah even said you should wear a cute little. Case on your dancing, your skirt lives up. One sisters are saying but one. Are. Freak shows there. Aren't you should address me for all special occasions and I'd always like be the best dress because Sarah just me, but anyway, so the dress was spoke, it got tailored in New York. It was supposed to arrive in Long Beach like a week before the prom got stuck on a train somewhere, so it never arrived inside the day before Prom I was sobbing at school, and the principal said you can go go to the mall leave class. I'm riding, you note. Privileged white privilege. Absolutely. Love. This story wasn't a principal. It was the ASP. It was the ESP tragedy grabbing you by the children sing. Go Amanda Go. Go just go. Just everybody knows that would. That was nowhere near my high school experience They were saying serum. Get here. They're like Sarah. They took the whip like yeah. To do to. Okay well I. Think I think it's promising now, but I do understand that people grow up. Thinking there's going to be certain milestones in their life that they look forward to like graduation prom marriage You know there Kristie inning. Do Their Christening the twenty first birthday parties in? Not Everybody's GonNa. Get married. That's all yeah. That's fine and some people are really bummed about that. And some people aren't, but the thing is. It's that we look forward to these things, and then if they don't happen for people, you feel bad because if everyone else in. America got to have that thing, and then there's this one class that they go. Will Your from your prompt? Sorry prompts canceled. Danny. Zuko Danny's I mean. Can you imagine if you would've told Maria? I would like to role. Play right now where you have to tell Danny Zuko the. He can't go to prom because it's canceled because Ovid Amanda Amanda Danny. Where you didn't manigault Sarah. Okay well, I know she's the girl that the hottest dancer in the. What's that? What though, Chichi? cha-cha and cha-cha a charter some. Name She's got the I'm Chacha the hottest dancer in in in this town. You know who we're talking about Amanda Right. Is this Greece. Yes. All right and how about this? We. Wait Maria your Danny Zuko and then Amanda plays. You know like Sandy. and. Then you know Sandy. No I'm confusing myself. She. She's risen Danny and sandy's been killed and I need to go find out who killed Sandy, so I'm talking to Rizzo. We live of this is about prompting cancel. Was We'll. Promise really important in the movie grease. No it's not don't. Do don't they? Go to prom and do their big dance? Yeah, they do the. It is a prom. Okay? Well, that's I. Mean will that dance is so important and just imagine how important prom was to those kids. Well I mean in the nineteen in the nineteen fifties. That's funny I. Actually don't wasn't that even though I was Prom Queen, which was that was someone cheated? that. Was it was probably that same teacher that let you go off way way. Somebody cheated on behalf of you you that there was one boy who only and he. He filled out like twenty ballot jazz. No wasn't jazz was Br I. Tell You what? Being a fun bunce, her life has been real tough ladies and gentlemen. It is tough to have to live that lie. Are you kidding? Of the Weight Amanda Shoulders Crowned Her Queen of the school, even when she didn't have a sexy dress on, she had to go with a sophisticated look horrible. Come to your house near Dad. Hit It if it was that sure and your dad. Cared he doesn't go with God. No He. He have handed. You probably handed you sixty bucks instead sixty. Amanda, what do you think? Well. Yeah, I understand Sarah's triggered by the these events and seeing all these teens sort of saying like everyone sort of. Catering to these teens, but and also I think this is what's happening. Is The news thinks this is like a feel good story, but I like Sarah. I'm kind of sick of it I'm sick of these car parades. Think, let's let's just all accept. That prom was cancelled angry like I'd rather see videos offers. And there's like this is canceled. Culture Baby, you know. In each promise just you know what's going to be next but prom. It was their time. So! We're all bad people. Are we all bad piano like? The balloting. Problem. Prom is the problem here you i. know for a fact that you disappointed because you're supposed to go see a concert that got cancelled by Corona virus. What was it again? Should Nyah Twain Okay and so? What would you have felt better if a parade of cars drove by the more? Twain you know this is why I was disappointed because I was going to see a friend of mine. A long distance friend, who's a really close friend of mine and I haven't seen her in years, and so that does what I was Sarah. So you wouldn't. You wouldn't have cared. If your friend would have said you know what? Let's rip up these tickets and let's go. Let's go get a coffee bean. Oh, she would never. She's A. She's A. She's A. Freak, she low tonight. Yeah, I mean I would have been an awesome concert, but okay I understand what coming from I think because of your high school and college experiences. This is triggering for you because you never got a car parade. I never got a car. We'll give you a car parade. It's called the one ten at six PM. But even if I did I feel like I would have been kind of embarrassed. Aren't people embarrass? No one's embarrassed. That's the problem. is wrong no one's embarrassed. It's not moral. The, moral quandary is because I. Feel like I'm very moral, because I would be embarrassed and ashamed, if I was out there honking my honk in my high Falutin Horn saying look at me world, look teeny I, did something that everybody does he ends are teens and teens think that they're the center of the world in teens, teens are bad in teens are good and teens are are always made of wood, but put it. In water in in in water in in in water, blue in water, blue and teens will always be there for you. Okay so now let's take a quick. Actually Sarah before we take a break, would you please demand that our listeners rate and review the podcast and consider subscribing to our Patriot on? Okay guys so Amanda. Maria have finally brought in the big guns here. They said we need to get. We need to get a name in here. We need to get somebody that everybody knows. To tell them somebody who are also has the facts who knows? Who knows from the inside? What's been going down and how? How hard these gals work how hard I work! She's used the number. She sees the number I see. The numbers use subscribing and commenting and rating affects me it. It affects it affects my paycheck. They pay me in skittles. She works on commission beans. And when there's like you know, they say Oh, you know we're probably going to have to shutdown this entire company. You'll be out on the streets Sara. You'll have nothing to eat. They'll be no car parades nothing because. We have fans and listeners, so-called fans who refuse they absolutely refuse to follow on Patriae on they absolutely i. mean they might like you know, follow on Patriot on like, and then not rate and subscribe, or what have you know I? Don't I. Don't know how it works. We know Sarah I think that was really all over the place, but I think that they'll be you. Hits home. Brands. You know that? I'm not I'm not a not a an improviser so. Came, flying out of you though. Couldn't stop the train. Okay, so we'll be back after this. Quick break with our big big one. Okay, we are back with a vegas themed one. That's going to send our heads spinning. Okay. Ready, yes. You are a mid level advertising exact with conservative values. Your family person you got a wife. Children one on the way and a strong moral code your boss at the Ad Firm. Dave can be hot, tempered and rash Dave gives you a big account for a regional bank. You know that if you successfully managed the account, your place at the firm will be solidified. Hey, you might even get that promotion. If you mess it up on the other hand. It's likely you'll be fired. You end the CEO of the Big Account Bob. He's an old school guy. With liberal social views and a socialite wife named Debbie. Must go together to Vegas the city of sin to take part in a trade show. The trade show goes off without a glitch BOB decides. He wants to go out and celebrate. You meet Bob at the bar. Even though you don't drink because your job is to keep Bob Happy, and you're charging his rum and cokes to the company card. Bob Is. Bob is going Hog wild, and then he drops a bombshell and asks you to send some female entertainment up to his penthouse suite. If you do not Senator Bob Female Entertainment. There's a good chance you'll lose. The account does what happened in Vegas. Really stay in Vegas. Should you defy your moral code to get Bob a few prostitutes? Wow. Will will vote so this come from WHO's Sarah requested? A Vegas Theme Big One because Sarah's of Vegas. VEGAS PRO! She's a vegas baby. I'm not I'm not pro, but you know I I i. Remember his bachelor per. You were walking around the d like yeah, you own the place and to be honest I'm not sure you don't. Yeah, no I was throwing tips I was. Making? He can let everybody know any good at all. The D. workers were when you walk down those. Those halls. They they they're a little is lit up dollar Bill Bill Bill Bill say you WanNa go to Vegas with SBCL Sarabeth Lund because she gets. COMP you, she does I do because That is my I wouldn't even say. It's my vice, but in my in in I'm a I'M A in my thirties and that's something that I enjoy I like to. I like to escape chute even if I'm paying for the escape. So I just love it? It is an adult Disneyland some people don't like it I love it i. Goes Disneyland, you know if you know. After Splash Mountain, you don't you can't pay your rent. Marie I think you can drop a pretty penny at Disneyland well especially on Splash Mountain if your pockets aren't closed. But we gotta get back to Bob and Vegas, so we're okay, so we have to remember this. We're all more. Liberal minded people who might not have as big of an issue with sex workers as the persona in the dilemma, who is a conservative has is what's her name. Diane The main person I don't think they have a name, should we? Should we make it a wool? So yeah, we don't know if it's so is the spouse of of us of the character. We're playing the conservative who wants who wants the big promotion? Our spouses with us, no this. Spas not with us OK, but our boss Bob. person the client. We have to impress, so we're just parting with him. He didn't bring his wife Or. Does. This pops on his own baby box travel. Nobody yeah. But, would you guys use the company Card to send a sex worker to Bob Suite. Of course see this is the thing you can't use your company card. You have to pay cash. Is You hustlers like you have to take him to a place where they swipe the card, someone gave petty cash. If I'm going if I can find we. End In the ladies that I'm hiring. You Know Cost Nichols You know what I mean. I'm not going to I'm not going high end. I'm going bottom of the barrel. Because at this at this point Bob had ten Roman cokes and he's seeing stars. I just don't think there's especially in Vegas like I would have a problem with. It was somewhere else, but prostitution is legal in Vegas. And so on. And so it's not like I'm doing something. Where if I did it, I could get in trouble in. Be My number one fear. This is something where it's literally a service that you can get in in in Vegas and if and if I might even past my boss before I did it, and if they were like because boss Bob isn't my boss. There's another boss, but you. This is the thing, but the boss is. We'll be okay with it, and you know the boss of won't to do whatever it takes to make him. Happy you on the other hand fundamentally. Don't you're like a religious man? And this goes against your wine. You're. You're a woman. Whatever I don't know I. DON'T SEE Gender. Okay, this is make felon. Even, if this is the case so getting the promotion, and in getting being good standing like you're not putting people out of their homes, okay, if anything. Even if it's maybe not on your same moral standpoint, you, everybody's everybody wins because bob gets his pleasures and maybe s td and the ladies who are working get compensated for their during his bond Larry. Yes Oh Diane Oh. That's who Diane is. But the thing is, it's so easy 'cause they hand out. Those cards literally hand you like playing cards on the street. There's worker guys without sexy pictures pimps of of late. No, they're not pimps. It's like a thing so companies hire them so literally be walking down the Strip and They'll be like these guys wearing these old newspaper smocks, and they'll hand you cards that say like sexy Amanda with like a picture of like a sexy lady. Just call the number and the lady shows up Your Hotel Room. Actually it's funny because one time. I know what you're GONNA say their shirt to Vegas. Somebody handed like I don't know who is our uncle or dad? Dad some of those cards we're. There's a family and the two cars. He got one with Sarah and one was Amanda to blood. And I took a picture I posted on facebook. Souvenirs. Vegas twice a year as a family May. It's so great for families Treasure Island, Baby. That's where it's. Going good. Yeah, we were always so jealous of our cousins. You've got to stay treasure island because we'd always stay at circus, circus or or the Flamingo. Always. We would stay yet, we. We stayed at treasure island. One time we did, we would stay wherever mom would get the best deals because she would have to find like a package deal, so you slept on the pirate ship. The one swim out to their room. Wish own sorry I'm thinking of not treasure island. EXCALIBUR is the one. I always wanted to stay I al. we never got to go there. Yeah but circus circus headed to, but we stay there one and we didn't like it to me kids. Even though we were Kinda Young, we remembered there was too many kids, but let me say this, so it's sounds like world down with prostate with sex work. Okay like we're all the three of us are like we don't see a moral issue with it now if I go across the board that like John, but I'm just saying like we're. It's legal in its. You know done responsibly. Responsibly, and if it's for someone else that yeah that I'm like well I. Don't see much of a problem, but the fact that he's married is a problem and then I'm an accessory to that to buy question is what if we tried to sub prostitution with something else that the three of us in real life are like not really okay with and I'm trying to think what that would be without it being too to dark, it should be something that's like on the cost that's. All I can think of is dark side. Beyond reasonable, but it would yes. Okay. This okay. They want Bob instead of wanting a prostitute. He says go buy me a puppy from a pet shop. Oh, oh, no, bring it to me. We'll go buy me a kitten like a purebred kitten from a pet shop. But. But I don't understand. Isn't that like no matter what it's like you're still if you taking a pen out of a pet shop, you're giving it a better life. Nobody warning pet shops. And that there's always gonNA. Be Some dumb dumb. Who will buy that pet like there's GONNA? Be Some Dumdum who will buy it, and then they'll produce more so by you making a choice to to. Save another animal's life that already that may die like you can be like Oh okay this. Dire adopted, or there's like this animals in a shop and it's going to be purchasing. Miss the mark. I thought all be against pet show. No, I was cockfight. What about don't none of us like Cockfights, right? No I don't. But I just don't see there's something. My, problem. I do you're trying to? It is something that I'm saying I. Do have a problem with getting Bob a prostitute. or a lady of the night, or whatever Bob calls them a woman of the streets. Because he's married and I become an accessory to helping him. Do something bad so like if. We don't have to make it puppy, farms or puppymills. hoppy stores. I? Don't even know what puppy store would be open at that time of night. See I my solution would be to like would be like. Let's come up with a way to trick Bob. Well. You the lesser of two evils. Ending up a prostitute, really you send up like a big grilled cheese sandwich. Or word. or a puppy or it from us from a shelter? or You just drag it out if he's too drunk if he's like ten ten bourbons in the wind. Maybe in the long run. It won't matter if you don't do it or not. You can just like. Is it better to kind of tell a little lie the next day when he's hung over and be like yeah, I sent them up and. I know what you do. You have to say okay. Go to your room I'm going to send up. A process is going and then. I love you. For this I'm GonNa say you're a man or whatever you are, you go to the hotel shop. You a sexy outfit. Southern. You go in there, but you play the game of cat and mouse. Yes! Yes. mean. Volume I mean. She's just keep hiding, so you're saying. Like a cartoon cow like trying to get a bowl to. Like. A looney tune with like fake eyelashes and like. A MOP head as your hair. You do a little wiggle, and then his eyes current into hearts in. Yeah, you keep inching away because he's getting, too. Yeah. See even if I'm conservative, I would come up with a clever solution like that for example where anything can happen and then by the end of the experience. Everybody's so confused by what happened that you completely forget about. The moral. Quandary. You had about getting an actual real life prostitutes. Let's do an Improv of this the next day. Okay like like. someone can be Bob someone can be. Someone can be. Whoever the the other worker is! And I'd like to be the prostitute who just went. Who's WHO's just existing in the world? Because we'll find out if you hired me, okay all right? Amanda I'll be Bob and then Amanda. You be the the worker who is trying to please me and I'm trying to find out what happened last night. Okay, okay, so you don't remember Oh. This is actually good. This is actually really good because I could even just the next day, I hire a prostitute to pretend like the together. Yeah Yeah, okay. Good Morning Sunshine 's wow quite a night Yes, it was I had. I, feel good today, baby! I'm ready to go. Rarely remember Roxie, don't you? I how could I forget that face? Yes, I am Roxie. Roxie. I. Do you like my Beautiful Pink Wig? ooh, baby from where I'm sitting. That looks red hot. My sexy to top Lou from where I sit in. That looks like the cat's meow. Yes, it's it's ten in the morning, but you know it's still vegas. Party time, so you WANNA. Go another round. Look Roxie. I'm ten great time last night, but we can put it on the company card. We'll wait. Just I just WANNA ask questions. What happened last night because I just can't see, I was see what I'm really trying to get to that. I left some stuff in your room. No, I know I listen to you you. Know! No Bob you don't get to talk to her like. Hey Hey guess what rocks is not really a lady of the night. It's your wife and a pink wig. How dare you dare you do this to me you? Get Out of you. Know if bob was talking like that, there's no way I'm getting a prostitute. SACRED VOWS ON. This. You expect. Product forgive her anniversary. They flew here I. Look at this. Oh He's showing. You is Boehner. What about this baby, heavy anniversary to me. How can you only sexually attracted to me? If I'm wearing this to top and a pink pink pink like way you do the maths we are. Are Are you saying the you don't really love me as a person, I'm saying I want a divorce. Okay, listen this trade. Show was awesome, but I gotta get back. I gotTA UTAH. Where are you going I I'm I come? You. Come here and you know. Get away from me. I. Mean I'm kind of interested in learning more about like the conservative lifestyle as I want to get out of this marriage. My my husband is corrupt. He's hiring prostitutes in higher anyone. So I'd like to learn more about like you know having. Better values maybe I can find a man I mean. Are you are, are you? I don't know if you're man or woman, but are you single I have high values I'm not single, but I do have high values, but I've got a friend named. Richard who I'd love to Jerusalem. He's okay so widower. Okay and he doesn't like. Is You know he doesn't mind the way I? Look and stuff like it's okay. If I just wear like no makeup and stuff like I won't be wearing this pink pink, sexy wig, and this to top and things like he's not shallow like my ex now richards, so he's the deepest man I know. Yeah, well. Why so deeply probably? SCUMBAG like my ex a this is, this is ridiculous. This is my hotel room. And this is my life, and this is my world. All my okay. I, don't WanNa hear Bob do a monologue. I don't need a monologue from that creep I. Really Thought Five was was lost, but I. Think his his story of redemption is going to be something real real nice. So, okay final answers. Do. We get Bob a sex worker. Not If he's married. I can't I can't if he's not married I kinda. Don't have a problem with asking around to see like how that you know, but. If it's legal in Vegas. Around. I think I'm. GonNa go with. No, because I think you get okay, you get someone a prostitute once fine, but then are you going to have to do this? Every time you go to a trade show like I just don't think this job for me. And in fact, I'm going to start my own firm. Good luck. Good Luck Try Yeah, what let me, would it be against like the rules of this kind of game to? Like find like a middle ground where you pretend to be the prostitute or you? Whatever you want Sir that's your you know. What if you're in the situation? I'd love to see you. Put on a the the head of a mop in there. And dance around I I didn't don't prefer it. I'm sure Bob with to. In Our dreams. Of course we can do whatever we want. But for the purposes of the big ones we have to play by the rules and give a yes or no, so that's just how it works so well. Is lying the next day worse than hiring. The prostitute is lying to get out of it and say you did hire somebody. I doubt it just slippery slope I think there. But I think getting hiring sex workers probably worse than. The white lie! Yeah, I I feel like if I'm if I'm a man, even if I'm conservative. I watched so much dateline. I know that even like pastors and stuff do. Do Creepy stuff so I feel like. I feel like I'd probably get the prostitute. Maybe, I'm the one who would do that. because. I love my family. And I'd do anything for them in Bob'll of his family to. Guess don't you get it? He's. As. You guys really hate Bob and all he's trying to do is make a living. He I'm out there every day. Diane Bob the playboy. We know the type. So I sent you a little big one Amanda okay. Okay, so this is coming in from a listener. Okay dear big ones I'm just a thirsty single man who follows too many models on instagram. Serono's type A few months ago. One of them posted a story of her being abused by her boyfriend. A well known photographer in the video she had locked herself in a room and you could hear him trying to bang down the door while calling her all kinds of slurs, it was shocking and scary. Recently, another model I follow began dating. have he seems to have a long history of abuse? It's hard to see how she wouldn't know about his reputation. Both of them being a part of the same community. My Gut says that I'm just some random jerk on instagram, and should my own business, but I also can't help feel guilty for not sharing what I know. What would you do well? First of all I think if you see a video like that on Instagram, I would report the video. Yeah, right immediately I maybe I. Don't know how the. Right, doesn't that violate some sort of like instagram? I don't. Think I would report that, too yeah. Yeah. But that's not, but he's, but that being said it's about knowing the fact that that that this guy has passed and not knowing this other girl, but knowing about this guy's past. Does he know do? You what that's like I feel like. I feel like you could maybe do something, but I don't think that you should contact like anybody directly. You know what I mean like. To if she's putting out there, people are aware of it and it's getting reported, but do I think he should like? Directly intervene. Like contact! The new girl until tell. Her what? You know what he saw. I don't think so. Yeah! I mean I guess video. It's like what's the harm. If you feel like just in case, you could send a message. You're probably not going to get a response. You could send it anonymously. You could like make up an account. That's just. I mean. There is something to like wall. Sh-. Of course she may know and of course, but it's, but maybe she doesn't. And, but then again it's like. It's not your life and it's not. God I don't know this is. This is hard. I mean I'm all for the like. Just. Get it out there. There's no harm in just saying like. Hey, just so you're aware I remember seeing this video of this person. I mean if that makes you feel better fine. I really think there's a deeper issue here. Like why are you following all these models and like getting invested in these situations, and maybe there's a bigger. Something larger going on here. That's like following toxic people as Like getting you into invested into toxic situations that have nothing to do with you God! How scary yeah I would say I think you just need to reassess how you're using your social media. Ya Get away from there. It's too you're you're you're looking into something? You're seeing people that you shouldn't be seeing. Those people shouldn't even be seen and they should not have a platform. Well especially the guy who yeah user and is making the his way through all of the instagram models like I mean if anything. Maybe you should like right a think piece about that guy but I don't know really what you know other than that one video. We could do it from your perspective, and you don't have to name him or anything, but you can it. It can be called like the man who watched through the windows of the Internet. You know my rear window my window. The window I look through is not is not made of Glass Tis made of his made of fiber fiber optic. You know whatever materials and it is. The screen is my how I look into the souls of those that I will never meet. Maria. Sorry ops monologue. You finally I got it out you. Maria, are you? Are you secretly? A instagram model, a little secret Sarah. Just it's all, but picks all beach picks, and but picks be Thi- gaps each butts in in boos baby. That's my the three BS. Well I hope you know what I think. Everyone just needs to get off instagram and social media. Because you just live your life. There's a nice girl that lives next door to you and she's you know wears glasses, but the minute you take those off. You're GONNA see that she's more beautiful than all of these instagram models absolutely or just pick up a playboy magazine. Magazine for that type of stuff. Keep it on paper like keeping area. Don't get. Don't get yourself emotionally invested in in like real people who also happen to be like pictures of sexy butts. Like are they a person? They sexy, but don't get yourself confused. Let them have their have their have their lives in the new to stick to looking at pictures on paper models. Know what's happening is were meant to were mouth. Stay the same, and that's remember that movie with tyra banks life's was called Mas like real life Barbie rolling up a big banks with. Movies life size. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, I'm interested. It's so good. It's a linen. Lo Han in tyra banks. And it's called because life size at two thousand. American fantasy comedy television film. It Hello. If! If follows The young girl who's Eve Doll Barbie is transformed into a living woman. Oh, this looks incredible it is. It's really good, and she's like you know fish out of water because she's like whoa like she can't believe it. TYRA banks does look like Barbie Yeah. You know what? She looks cute, even when she's being crazy and making crazy faces. So pretty. Great Body Great. Face Rude Casey Stewart is a girl who is the quarterback of her school seventh grade football team. Since her mother died two years ago, she has been avoiding her old friends in arguing with a boy on her team, wanting to bring her mother back to life, Casey finds a book of Magic with the section on resurrecting the dead. Dr. Do a successful resurrection will become permanent, unless it is undone before sunset on the fourth day after begins Oh my God. How ed or but listen however since the book was expensive, she all the money she had on the shelf in a glass compartment with where the was. One car. So she charges she she she. She short changed the the bookkeeper like the book now the bookkeeper, but the library man. Or woman. While so, she tries to resurrect her mother, but instead she gets a Barbie. Isn't that that's weird. That's weird. But you guys listen to this beast story. During this time tension builds between Casey and her father, who has been missing her football games while trying to secure promotion in his law firm. The detention is further increased. By his new found attraction to leave which Casey resents as a betrayal to her late mother. So That's interesting. Because then the dad is falling in love with her his daughter's toy. K. This is not right, but I think that maybe eve tells him like you know what like. Maybe it's time to be. You Know Ogling your your daughter's toys. Maybe it's time to be ogling your daughter's football games. It says Eve has been getting homesick so I just I wonder what her homeless like I mean. I I can't help but think it was just a plastic box. Anyway. There was really much. You're welcome. I hope I I did justice. Oh, you're always perfect is great. I thank you I am always perfect. She knows how to take a compliment that's. Embarrassed about that. Sarah where can people find you and look at all your awesome? Creations and art works. Well I. Mean You know you may WanNa? Find me may not WanNa find me. I I I'm at South Mess. S O F. T S S. I! Am Eso so t OM SAS? So You know it's just. We're talking about these graduations because she barely mail. Buddy. Yeah I barely made it through I had. I had an affair with my tutor, okay. Didn't quite land. Is that true? Of course all we all the life? Tutors. And everything a Lund says is the truth yeah? learned that the hard way. Well okay. Everyone follows her at soft mess. She's got an. If you guys ever need a meat, meat and cheese platter. That looks like someone you love. She can do that. And they're good that they're good at that anything anything edible. Are In you. Guys can follow us. 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'There is no going back' on police reform, Mayor of Pittsburgh tells college journalists

The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press

18:02 min | 5 months ago

'There is no going back' on police reform, Mayor of Pittsburgh tells college journalists

"The Press College Roundtable edition where we give college journalists from across the country, the opportunity to ask questions. They want answers to from newsmakers here from this week we've seen institutions start to respond to demands for change. While in other areas, citizens are taking matters into their own hands. Mayors across the country grappling with local level challenges of keeping citizen safe during a health crisis and public protests, while also debating how to reform policing dramatically my guess this week. It's Pittsburgh Mayor Bill. Peduto, asking the questions are student journalists. First up. Is Sarah Beth go vera? She's a Grad student. The University of Oklahoma where she covers politics and law. Sarabeth tell us a little bit about yourself. I got into journalism after my family became a foster family to a girl, whose parents were deported to Mexico, and I realized that nobody will make a change that I want for my sister. Until people start to care, next up is David Wolfe Bender. He is a rising freshman at the University of Indiana and he's been covering the growth of community policing for public radio in Indianapolis David Tell us a little about yourself, yeah! I live in Indianapolis Indiana. it's a very racially segregated city unfortunately. Most of the local stories I actually covered for WNYC news when I was working for that public radio station in in Indianapolis, cues May about policy changes policy initiative shifts between the cities, minority populations and the police force in the city very good and finally avalon Cornell. At Washington, university in the state of Virginia where she's a news editor at the college newspaper. The Ring Tom Fai avalon tell us a little bit about your latest coverage. Thanks check as journalists at a college. One topic uncovering is the impact of long held traditions, students today, who may not fit the mold of a typical w now student. For example we covered these circulation of a petition from students who did not feel comfortable with having the portrait of a confederate General Robert E. Lee on their diplomas wanted the option to opt out. Mary interesting I have a feeling I'll be very curious to see if the namely is still associated with that university before this decade and but David The first question goes to you. Yeah so Mr Mayor I WANNA go back to two thousand sixteen David. Brown, who back then was a dallas. Police chief. He's actually navy heads the Chicago Police Department. He said this he said quote. We're asking cops too much. In this country, we are every societal failure. We put it off on the cops to solve. He went on to name mental health. Drug Prevention is to specific areas that we passed onto. Cops are pass onto the. Two part question, do you agree with David Brown's assessment and if so do you support increased funding in other areas to lessen the burden on police? It's a great way of talking about a very controversial that you right now. There's some draw of motion. Around Being discussed is the monthly. There's a lot of. Are Watching wasting work like? I agree one hundred percent with what the police chief set and we see even more today were homelessness addiction mental health issues are the forefront of every cities agenda. if we only use release order to try to solve those problems than we're doing a disservice, not only to the police, the people verve. Increase funding. Where do you plan to have that money? Come from I guess. Do you support taking some of the places budget to support those issues at a city level? Well there's a dilemma here. Because at the same time cities around the United States are facing a budget deficit, due to the of Artis are revenue. are where. We're being. A twenty percent reduction. Gears. Binding, the revenue needed in order to provide additional services to. Digital. Necessarily have to be done by police. Who Fire? Partnership began with the product community, but they become. Aren't of Workers Community one. Fan. World. Sarabeth, the next question you sir. Mr Mayor, allegheny county is thirteen percent black. Thirty percent of your black population lives below the poverty line. Your state also leads the nation highest average student debt per bar were so, how do you plan on adequately? Preparing black high school students to pay for colleges, especially with the additional financial burdens cost covid nineteen. Will again it goes where I said before there have to be. There have to be creative partnerships that are created in the city of Pittsburgh. We've created a partnership with our largest employer of the University of Pittsburgh. Medical Center. UPN's. The has contributed to scholarship on where each. Ratchet waiting two point Oh grade point average. War. You're guaranteed. Dollar per semester fellowship. For College obviously the cost. Is Much more enough. Is a adequate in order to be able to community college in order to get the first few years four in the. Boy To another university later. So I looked into this and the most affordable higher education in your area is the Community College of Allegheny County, which has a fourteen percent enrollment rate. Your two largest universities in the area is Carnegie Mellon and the University of Pittsburgh which has a three percent five percent black enrollment rate respectively. You've mentioned all of these programs that you're doing to try to close that gap between the Community College and these higher levels of education. So where is the failing? Failing well CMU in Carnegie Mellon or. More global than the other institutions. There's seven universities within the city of Pittsburgh the immediate area of few miles right outside. Carnegie Mellon in particular has very waterlogged. Population University? has a very strong national. Burgers schools are probably on the out wire. burn numbers. On saying that we can't do better in that we should not be. Are doing more but again. I think that a lot of areas that we see. Failure is occurring, not preparing our students within the city. To change the pathological condition. And happened or their senior year that apple. Early on another program that we started in partnership with Dolly Parton, Foundation. every burden born. is now given a library The first five years of your life. Sixty and all in order to be able to bring the letter tabular in your child's life. Berry Berry from the beginning. AVALON! You have the next question great. Thank you thanks again Mr. Mayor, for coming on last Thursday proposed more reforms, the police use of force policies in the wake of George Floyd's death while in police custody, but some controversial tactics like the chokehold were already abandoned Pittsburgh since. This is a problem application. How do you plan to enforce rules? That may already be in place. Well the album the. A Gamble Way Kim Bad. There were four that the campaign identified. It's erred one. All. already-instituted out of the. Having our police look. They said we're all eight. There's a reason that we're not getting credit for the other four in that's. To how we're using it through training our using it through consistent policy. Whether or May? Art of a city code or just a policy in the police bureau so it it's not enough simply to have these has policies police bureau? They need to be embedded into the very fabric in the code of city, and they need to be a continual practice, but simply when you're a cadet going through an academy. On a continual. You have to have training. In order to be able to keep fresh. With with those me, do you? Those is just the foundation those will according to the. People move have created that that campaign reduce the number of deaths by seventy two percent. Eight actions are taken now getting beyond that is where the. Truth Functions Reform. It's not about more. What is the police officer? Can others will to help people better? Lessen. The likelihood of getting into that will. Lead be. The vice president of the Pittsburgh, fraternal order of police voiced concerns in a letter over politicians lack of support for the police. How do you plan to get the police unit specifically on board for further reforms? I. was on the receiving end of one of those letters. And Basically? You know where worthy emotional level is right now. We're all and I don't mean that is elected officials I just all of to nation. Winner flight. And when you're. Little. Rational not always A. At the. Police Union. Whoopie. A way of understanding. Leads in urban areas. They are much different they were. Hundred years ago years ago or either. The. Up Cities, are you. The people that live in the cities want see societal change within police. Then of the CD or opportunities where certain functions that they had been asked to do. Will be better served by others and where their operations will be redefine. TAP! -pointment training and the use of force. For the future, so it'll be a part of that. Discussion requires being a partner in recognizing changes. That, we're at a point now. In this country were it is going to occur, and would you like to be a part of that discussion the power to? Protest it in Tryon's thought. Thirty, station. There is no going back at this point. It's only a question of what that reform will end up. For cities all. Venture. Mayor Bill. PEDUTO you've. To me shown an excellent giving us an excellent example of how complicated all of this is going to be that. You may be able to have a good headline of where we're. Form is headed, but this is going to be complicated. Every city is a bit different. Every one of these reform debates is going to be very different, and so I thought this was an excellent example, and as you can see. These journalists ask some tough questions as well. But in the right spirit of all of it in servicing these tough, these tough issues that all of us have to grapple with right now Mr Mayor I wanNA thank you. Thank you meet the press coverage Hanta. Students themselves. Dialogue that needs to happen right now. This is the type of discussion. We're not ready yet for it. I mean because the emotion levels there. It's very hard for someone. Differentiate mayor's responsibility. He buildings from being burned. PEOPLE NOT BEING ERC. Thinking needed and also as an advocate racial justice in this country right now, people stuttering. The very hard for them. Realize that. That's part of your job. Marriage are under the gun. If we. As new models. Using the. Burger ships it's. About gawking policing in a whole different way, you're standing that a lot of that in being done through. Social work better than it can be done through law school. Understand with the whole community has to be a part of it. It's much it's writer. Check in walk away. It is getting involved reporter leader as a Labor leader as a nonprofit leader as an institution and not just relying on government this all. Then we could have real change now. Mr Mar well put thank you, sir, much appreciate it. All. Right, I'm going to turn now to our student journalists. Sarabeth David Avalon Avalon. Let's start with you. I thought that was an interesting. Dialogue there right at the end with the mayor. Of. I think we're GONNA see some city governance gets transformed a lot of the next decade, and the fact is I. Don't think anybody knows what that's GonNa. Look like yet, and that's kind of what I took away from the mayor. What did you take away? Absolutely I agree especially his point about bringing in more people from the community kind of transforming the ideas that we have a police in great now it'll be very interesting to see what Pittsburgh looks like in the next couple of years, if as he remains mayor and also just interesting to see these creative partnerships that he was talking about. Come to fruition. David, what'd you take away? I think there are a couple of things that. Really to me, I mean one of the things he mentioned is the complexity of this entire thing. It's definitely not an easy situation. We're dealing with right now. And the point that I thought was interesting. He talked about philanthropy a little bit. And the the key lying there was not all cities can do this. And that's true I think you know you look. Across the country, not all cities have the resources with that therapy to really make those changes in order to fund the organizations they WANNA fund to Kinda. Take away from the pieces responsibility. We talked about getting so a lot of really. Oh like. intimacies in terms of how. We treat these situations. It's not a simple issue. It's very complex. Sarabeth I'll be honest? I think your question him about the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon in particular, and it really stood out to me, and he didn't have a good answer because he'd look it's. Institutions probably have to answer your question in some way but Carnegie Mellon. What a great example! Talks about private partnerships Carnegie Mellon is a monument to the robber barons right to the to the wealthy of over a century ago. Andrew Carnegie. Andrew Mellon there. And yet it is not serving the public in the way that perhaps the city would like it to serve. Absolutely, and and I think the really interesting thing here is about how this university. He couldn't answer for them, but he can prepare the high school students so I asked him. Where's the failing and he doesn't have a good answer for that? Because ultimately it's not his duty as mayor to prepare college students to make that job from their associated community college all the way to the four level for year colleges, and it's going to be really really interesting to see what Carnegie Mellon and other universities do to make sure that college is affordable, especially with all this additional financial burdens and less on campus jobs for students. Right never mind the universities. Themselves are feeling the pinch financially. As well, so it's it's It's it's an ongoing challenge on every level. What a terrific panel! This week! You! The three worst is good as as good as we've had. We've had some excellent journalists each time. I always love it when the interviewees a little bit uncomfortable in the right kind of way, and that's what you guys chief today so well done all right. We're going to leave it there i. want to thank you again for another excellent. Addition of our college roundtable. We'll be back next week with meet the Press College Roundtable edition. Until then we'll see you.

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Are you a Hybrid Physical Therapist? With Sarabeth Berk

PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Are you a Hybrid Physical Therapist? With Sarabeth Berk

"Prepare yourself for physical therapy conference that will deliver a PT education hangover of epic proportions because we're going LAS VEGAS this October. PT podcast presents the tri-state physical therapy conference October eleventh to thirteen unlocked an obvious yet undisclosed concept in the workforce which is that people can be hybrids and that's what she is too so welcome to the show Sarah the Mike title and director of future bound. If that doesn't group You well you probably shouldn't keep listening this episode is thankfully brought to you by our sponsors Owens Recovery Science Teaching you had apply clinically blood flow restriction rehabilitation training plus the equipment you need to apply in clinic safely Johnny Owens's personal gain on the show Colorado girl who was going through a professional identity crisis because people only saw her as an art teacher but she knew she was so much more then during Grad school she began studying professional identity to understand how other people described themselves and the work they do that's when she had an identity awakening and his team are around the world teaching this to healthcare providers who want to bring this to their patients find them online at Owens recovery science dot Com with presentations by President Sharon done state Chapter Presidents Chris Powers of California John Hike of Arizona and Rj Williams from Nova attention she describes herself as a hybrid professional and innovation strategist and creative disruptor how do you WanNa know more about that after reading it she's the founder of more medical marijuana with telehealth and motivational interviewing well not yet anyway tickets are on sale now get yours at PT podcast dot com the trial Lord Button this show is primarily the audience physical therapists physical therapist assistants and students around the profession of physical therapy but I find a lot of really cool and interesting guests so for me I just started to freeze my professional identity was defining in the world so I was sort of eighty year Beta testing autograph employers to see me differently uh with your keynote presentation by Tim Flynn focused talks on telehealth medical marijuana and motivational interviewing just so we're clear that's three different talks not mixing and I realized I needed to be more explicit I just really started to realize like words are not enough I am more than my title which led me on this crazy ride where I feel like this is only this is the PT podcast the best conversations happen at happy hour welcome to ours may I introduce me to introduce you to here's your host broadcasting to physical therapists around the world heard in over one hundred thirty five countries with more than one million downloads and counting is the a Lotta podcasters do on social media I try to pay attention to what my audience is talking about who they're talking about with I don't even WanNa try to figure out how I came across but you were doing in terms I need to get in the world because so many people are facing yet and yet no one feels like they know how to talk about a podcast every once in a while you get to do it episode is for you and the audience gets to listen along but really this once well just selfish I ran across Sarah Beth Burke online and her job description will maybe estate physical therapy conference October eleventh to the thirteenth what happens in Vegas well you know how this ends question today is who are you what physical therapist Jimmy Mackay Walk into PT Podcast the next episode of the show starts right now today this is why you have a podcast you can use it for professional burks there Beth welcome to the program my Gosh thank you so much this is really exciting for me I can't wait to dive in with you most of time just for background for you we talked a little bit before we hit the I think I saw the word hybrid I'm like that's kind of cool I've mentioned before on this show me a rock radio deejay did the morning announcements in sixth grade and then that day on that's all I wanted to do with the rest of my life I did it until one day I fell out of love and went back to school dropped everything put this microphone thing away and went back to school become a physical therapist and halfway through school I realized that physical therapists very good at what we do for a living not that great at communicating so I saw an opportunity in opening and literally started this podcast so this is like this is a lot of ven diagram pop up a lot in your work and I love van diagrams and that's my ven diagram Sarah Beth so first of all talk about you I gave you a brief intro yeah about kind of how you got into this hybrid thing walk me through it yeah I mean the question of the day is who are you what do you do I mean I don't go anywhere anymore where people don't lead with that and in some ways it's unfortunate because you more than what you do but that's just our culture right and you've got to have an answer to that question people just judge you and they make quick decisions it's just our behavior to understand do I want to connect with this is defining me in the world and I didn't feel like people saw me and so I needed to figure out like I know I have all these skills but how do I convey that other people and my background in those days was being a teacher and teachers very limiting its that you fit in one box so kind of like lawyers to see me differently and I realized I needed to be more explicit I need to write down in my cover letters okay I'm these three things I was an artist I was a teacher and I then what value do they add in like what's what's the next conversation point that we're going to move into so for me just start to freeze I my professional identity who I had to like pause reflect for me that was applying to jobs as well as applying to Grad school and hitting that fork in a road and when you're trying to get nine teaching jobs but your whole background is being a teacher in the classroom it's nearly impossible to show people you can do more things so I was sort of you could say like ABC or Beta testing on how to get your professor writer author designer whatever these are just broad labels but it doesn't showcase the breadth and talents everyone was kind of showing up started to see more sides of me I was like great and it got me a couple of job interviews but fast forwarding I did end up going back to Grad school and it was in that process it's like explain and I took a page from actually this is going to get a little nerdy race class and gender studies and they talk about intersection started interviewing other people because I thought if other people understand their professional identity I can learn from them and that's when I realized people are using the same labels like teacher assaulted designer at that time too because I had like you know stuff on and I was making websites and doing stuff on the side and that actually helped that was the first time I realized people's realized like words are not enough I am more than my title other people are more than their title and there's sort of this block that we're hitting that no one right like if you put five designers in the lineup you would know they all do different kinds of design but the word designer kinda locks you in one idea I just really started identifies because I have more than one and boom that really changed my whole thinking of who am I intersection of what I do that's being and so you can't just look at a person based on race like you have to bring in these other factors and that's called intersection and I was like okay what's the intersection of my professional that's a big part of being a PT so all of a sudden I looked at my weakness and said Oh maybe I can use this as a strength I think interdisciplinarity is another part of this too when you get in circles especially people that are going back to school for more training or different degrees they have a whole legacy of their life before that moment so like who were you before you came to be abridge when you blend and combine and I was like we in a minute I'm onto something and I started testing that and it's just lead me on this crazy ride where I feel like this is occasion and everyone's GonNa look at me like what are you doing here and I felt the same way and the funny part for the PTA listening and especially the student listening it was when we went into the subjective I need to get in the world because so many people are facing it and yet no one feels like they know how to talk about it it's everywhere I looked at his I was definitely in the back of the Jay and in my time radio I got to the program director too so I kind of got to see the micro of what I'm doing with a microphone in front of me and also Sam we had to talk to people that I realize some of my classmates had sat in second class kinesiology and they'd never had actual conversations with people they didn't know and I'm like that's classroom when we went around the first day of school obviously in a different environment than radio station and everybody was introducing themselves what school they went to and what their major was and it was biology which for a perfectionist like me if I'd had a longer time I would have been more anxious right so all right I'd one month to stress and then it was in the middle of like a big work transition oh how long did you practice that always see that yeah I only had one month on between the time they told us I was accepted to the time the event happened too so I really give myself about two weeks to hyper focus on getting ready and yeah a lot of practice I just did a talk at one of our national conferences and Adam and I will be honest it just blows your mind I I've never done anything like that I'm really glad I did just for personal curiosity you did really into a little bit about hybrid professionals and but talk a little bit more about that how does a person figure out there hybridity as a as a term can easy allergy everything movement science athletic trainers and I was in the back just like completely getting nervous I have to stand up and say I have a degree in journalism asking me they just like focused on that and they went deep and that's great and we need those and then the other kind is started this idea multiplicity people that change jobs over their lifetime do more than fort like language defies what do you call that thing when you're in the middle and so the concept of hybrid just puts it in a category at least so you can be like I'm a hybrid maybe three types of identity and no one's explicitly mapped that out for us so there's an an all three I think are important I just WanNa say that up front so there's the notion that their singularity got totally outbreak unto two parts of what is the hybrid and then how do we figure it out because that's typically the trajectory I get in conversations so I have this notion that in society there really I am pretty comfortable speaking in front of a group when you do a talk like Ted talk or some of these professional Tux you WanNa make sure every word lands and I try to make sure a well maybe my skills are transferable I'd be a bad podcast Osa fight indirect people now to your website which is more than my title Dot Com. You've also done a Ted talk which I was just people know that and just giving you Kudos you br you did well because it wasn't rushed it every every word kind of lands and you told a couple of really cool story right and those tend to be experts those are people that like you want the neurosurgeon you sounded like deeply entrenched yeah and maybe they've even know their whole life watching before we cross so I make sure to include the link for the Ted talk they're the talk or you hire professional that's pretty cool I the turning it on turning it off and I was like well that's hybridity so it singularity multiple screen hybridity because hybrids are the ones that are blending and combining oh which was how do I brand radio station had which can translate to how do I brand a PT clinic how can I help brand profession how can I make a personal identity and I realized value prop your secret sauce and that's the trick than people are like well how the heck do I figure that out so part of the hybrid professional is really a branding activity multiple professional identities almost simultaneously to integrate and that's dot center of the Ven Diagram when you are multiple things which we don't have a name you but then there's this third category of people that aren't just one thing like the binary or multiple things it's like how do you get to be both who are the people that are moving back and forth or not and given today being such a competitive workforce where you're going to get one hundred job applicants for one role it's just everyone has a lot of talent you have to be unique what differentiates you how do you stand out from all the other people with your title and that's why I think the hybrid is so exciting because it's when you get to celebrate your unique for that and I I'm hearing something that's really different you stand out so you WANNA walk through since stuffs a free again I'm using this completely selfishly because last shot of that Ted talk was like of the of the room I kind of your view of how many people when they're that looked cool it was a really cool it was a bucket list who are you because you gave three examples in your in your book I actually would give a different answer depending on the person who is asking so that's another layer of this is the conceptualization so you lead off with kind of that narrative of how people in Society Star conversations besides your name people then just follow up with what do you do so you kind of thing maybe they're freelancers or in the GIG economy maybe they just have one title and they're in a big organization but you know that they're doing like five different jobs under that title that's definitely like startups I am doing like you know all the research projects that I was really assessing lake will who am I like how do I wanNA present and that was was in front of you all buttoned up and now I'm just going to give you that real conversation so I like to try to leverage and help them unlock that they're comfortable so I'm really the first stages self-awareness like you have to be clear on who you are and what you do right now and how you introduce yourself so just for the record tell me if I asked you not school you're at the C. J. and how do those two things effect and influence each other because you don't just walk away from one right you can't you can't unring that Bell I can't stop ever being radio it's you get to come up with your own title for yourself that I've noticed works really well when you're meeting New People doing interviews because it's sort of like a it's like what are you really doing so if someone was observing you in your day job they would be seen you do these things and maybe you're not always conscious of it so I'm hearing you say like you're helping I think I wasn't looking at it I was stuck on step two and step three of a second version of third version you mentioned between kind of the multiplicity jumping back in I don't know how to put this into a noun but like the locker of discomforts I don't know so the camera and prompt people to be to be able to deliver information some kind of like a coach getting people comfortable being in front of a microphone or camera casts three on one occupational therapy and speech language pathology so two of those podcasts are my own and three of those podcasts I work for a large physical therapy practice called Fox rehabilitation and I get to host three shows for them also in that job I guess to host videos help them kind of be behind we'll be themselves your unlocking information you're actually identifying that there's a wealth of talent out there and your talent to come so that you're bringing it to a bigger script to help people walk in understand this is who I am this is the title I give myself and this is what it means and boom suddenly people are like Tommy more I've never one of your actions is to unlock and help people feel comfortable so this idea of on locker would be the identity of that or bringing information I need to give it away for free so to me I try to leverage my ability of making them forget they have a microphone in front of them or forget they have a camera on them too of crossover words between the different things you initially started with which was the host of multiple podcasts and this physical therapists so do you see where we're going soup so those are some of the deeper areas that maybe you've never thought of yourself as a curator or a deliver of information or I'm here in front of this audience I say I'm PT Slash podcast or I go ahead and use that thing that you mentioned which is slashes and hyphens totally okay and then together could be curator so that is a different way to think of yourself right like we're already coming up with new words that are these hopefully intersectional like depending on the scenario we definitely changed our response to that answer so today on this podcast in front of all your listeners how do you introduce yourself all we'd be at a conference I look around the room there's thousands of years of great information and it might not leave the room and then I saw the internet and microphones and videos and I just said yeah so we did the self awareness of what you currently do then we start to drill down and take actions and get specific and then we're converting actions into now worth and true hybridity so I'll walk anything you want to walk through because this is this is going to solve a lot of problems for me yeah I hope so let's play with it it's always fun to see where this goes with people I'm hearing you say a few things and for the people listening what I'm doing right now is unpacking things that you take for granted that you think are so obvious are like oh my host it just means then we start thinking what does that mean what is the host on locker do can you think of an example of that that skill or action for me that's that's owns which are new identities so then it's looking at these identities and figuring out like you can come with a long list of identities and I think people usually passionate content let's say and that this is what's unique right in that crossover because not everyone does that not every host is an on locker of information some hosts are more just standard interviewers or storytellers or listeners. So we're trying to find like what but the three to four that light you up the most so you'd make a list of maybe tanner twenty and I use a lot of different words the workbook because I realized people get stuck in up some brainstorm and cool so once you narrow them down here like okay I like the word curators I like the word coach and I like the word maybe unpack that a little bit further what in pt slash podcast or what are the things you do let's talk about the actions that that represents a host five different pods some things that I did pretty easily that other people wish they could get better and also realize oh we are so different some things are super hard for your super super easy for you okay I like that the transition point from here after we sort of whittle and we've and dive into the actions is to convert those into identities so what I was just doing was saying like I use the word host maybe that just feels really like the the strongest way to say that then we start saying who are you call this professional identity math so and just going back to the exercise a second ago the host plus on locker identities mean that you're helping create super smart over list what they do but the core here is to come up with your core professional identities the three usually say threes a good number four starts to get a little long say listen I'm a batting practice pitcher I'm GonNa give you questions that you probably wrote the answers to so my job is to make sure that you sound is great as today what do you do how do you answer that so I was thinking about this because I was going through workbook which get along and so is this like the WHO would I introduce myself they get confused do you need to simplify it does it open up the conversation or does it like sort of flattened conversation and do it a few times breath in fabulous Las Vegas Nevada maybe three days of learning networking and we'll probably some good old fashioned las vegas-style fund I was like maybe one new way to frame you is a p j instead of a Dj because I was taking the physical therapist sb them which is a Lotta Times like when people say why did you call this podcast I love when you're a beer deeper so and people just kind of forget that I'm going to be whatever my title offense thing of like if I introduce myself as hey I'm batting practice pitcher podcast interviewer how does that land for people goes to seem to be my best simple titles and then I go you know I'm an innovation strategist and what that means is I'm this artist researcher designer what I do on these shows is I take people I've also said you know what he'd do I take people who are super smart and passionate about things I want to know more about and then I let them be super with the disc jockey and sort of reorienting that but that doesn't really reflect the math we did I was just giving a creative example so imagine let's say so tell me more what it means to be a host because you've used that word a few times what does this do so this is this is kind of the reason why I started this podcast was I saw so many intelligent people yes I know you are in love that so I use analogies a bunch too and you said batting practice pitcher and that's a different way to frame who you are and what you do in the some of those parts come together then you're like well what do I call that who what do I call the batting practice pitcher that brings out Super Smart Peter and I look at problems that are in the spaces of education and design and come up with new solutions to help young children and that's like ten seconds oh you like the radical batting practice pitcher like they just start it becomes it's great back and forth conversation but then the trick is to go out and test it and actually it's a self spent more time on this it can typically take a couple hours do all this reflection and I love to bounce it off of friends because they also helped me use different words they're like oh what if we martin passionate I say a lot of times when people get nervous about coming on a podcast because like I don't have anything good to say and keep I'm probably just wrote a book on something and physical therapy were you when you're the coach and the curator at the same time or the host and the curators were on locker because I I kind of like that too at the same time and so senate content that's really cool and that's when the new title starts to emerge from me I was playing with your identity is a little bit before we even started on this journey and we're doing that's unique and special getting really clear and confirming it so then eventually after you do the math you start playing with adding these things together and what happens and you'll massage it and then you'll start realizing what lands for people so for me I've started introducing myself as either an innovation strategist or a creative disruptor yeah yeah yeah yeah and I recognize that sort of early on in my career when I remember looking at things that other people did so easily and said I wish I could get there and then there were usually into someone who really cool yeah I see this happening more and more especially on linked in that particular platform people kind of getting creative with that with that job wants to say all that and I gave people a really clear train of thought of like how I see myself what it means what I do that and then boom it launches the conversation your episodes just say Hey Alexa launch P._t. pint cast maybe throw in a please at the end but if someone uses something that's intriguing like innovation strategist within a marketing department I'll be like Whoa like what was that employer I'm going through fifty resumes everyone used to be a marketing specialist and used to be this event plan or whatever and I'm like okay generic I've seen all this very vanilla not one jumps out so the whole part of the hybrid is using the novelty and the uniqueness as a differentiator but then I put it at the top of my resumes in terms of like using some slashes or using these concrete the three or four core professional identities helping people to see what the relevance the last slide I used my tax talked says it's not just enough to be all these different things it's the relationship between educator designer and that matters to this marketing director position because I'm bringing X Y and Z so connecting those dots for them but I also star things so you have to explain the relationships people don't automatically make that connection and that's why you were saying take these three parts and that's why I was taking notes during this hurt by by saying I consider myself innovation strategist and that the fact that I label myself as something is how I want the world to see me I I don't think people can underestimate the U. owning you and and coming up with something unique that I haven't seen before so putting myself in the shoes of the to represent for them to catch their attention and so it's it's re crafting the recipe like knowing your core and knowing you wanNA showcase that right math problem like it's the creativity side of maybe you're not always all three right maybe you do lean more heavily in the space of two of the three that's cool you don't have to receptive or hey are you weeding out people who wouldn't even be receptive to your personality if they're not receptive to a different job titles holidays so again it goes back to you are most excited by and keep it tight when I'm starting to going back to linked in what I'm starting to see is people just listing so many things in their header on L. Dot org continuing education along with residencies and fellowships residencies in orthopaedics geriatrics women's health neurologic are using the slashes the dashes the and signs the pluses that commas that like solman variations and when you start to get too long people are like I don't even get who you are aw yeah it's fun this should be fun like you know you're onto something when you get excited right like there's an energy search because what I hear too with hybrids after this I really want to unpack this even further the locker the host that's if I have three my my ven diagram with three these two things would connect these who are you what's your name is synonymous and that's like the top line of our resume right I mean that's a resumes like a conversation going from top to bottom is is listing the situational side of this so if you're applying for more traditional organization I think you're always trying to look at like what what parts of me education passed your physical therapy degree look no further than Brooks I H L that's Brooks Rehabilitation Institute of higher learning you can find out more brooks I h cheap deatrich sports and a fellowship opportunity as well so look into it if you're looking to expand your knowledge base Brooks Ihl Dot Org as my ledin but then I quickly map that to whatever job title they're hiring or if it's marketing specialist director of marketing I'll be like okay I'm the artist researcher talk to you they notice things even faster than it's easier to look at someone else in an is ourselves ya they'll confirm it or they'll they'll be like actually I see a little differently it's super helpful oh I can be the accountant the market or the event planner and the engineer and I'm like but do you love doing all those things and I'm like no but I do them then it's like shaved it off only use the things that up your identity yeah it's it's a puzzle and when you think of more celebrities people that are in Lake pop culture the Oprah's of the world we'll get stuck to is just not really expanding language the last section of the workbook is descriptors and like additional ways like if you just there's a Lotta things like as you mentioned so I thought obvious or I didn't even think were a big deal and when you talk to people who are friends with you but investor part author like the list could be twenty identities long but we know his brand now as Tim Ferriss and so that's what I'm trying to look at it as like who is Jimmy economy you can do so many different things at the same time do you have to do all the things that you can do focus on the few the core that really a your podcast host that I'm GonNa say what kind like how else can you add onto that are you the magical podcast hosts are you the wild are you the inquisitive it but it's even just acknowledging where you're stronger blending to the three year three of the four yeah it's a little bit of a puzzle and I think ready and that didn't let her upright and she ended up going on this journey in becoming entrepreneur and realizing that women's pleasure was this right now technically my my job my job director of communications that fit a box does that wrap up what I do because most of the time if I were to ask a colleague to get people to go watch the Ted ex you mentioned a few people and gave a couple of really cool poignant examples of people who really kind of embodied this idea entity find all these layers but in reality you need to eat a start to paint the picture now if you want this if you want the world to see you as this you need to say that and not be shy about it but I think you know defining a new title with his example especially in this day and age where we can just right now we're talking in two different parts of the country the Gig you know porn insects and so instead like but magazines like self in Glamour actually showing people wearing her necklaces which are these just looks like it's products and so as a designer she's like I want to enjoy different different tools and things and create my own so that led her on this venture uh-huh I'm in the middle that intersection as you mentioned but how do these two things play so I'm GonNa have to start really going through and kind of thinking of those things yeah it's like part art problem and and I met her during Boulder Start Week she had this airstream trailer that pulled up in front of a big auditorium and it was a very sort of see get that is sort of like shameful and women are being sold like what men want them to have and just she's like this isn't like there's a whole new marketplace for women creative but intriguing trailer and he walked in and she had all these dildos vibrators and it was like what is this doing startup week and she's in the field of sex tack into we're back let's get back to the show I think what this does and your whole idea pepperdine is most of the time we want people to spend time to get to know us log but one of them is wearable it's a necklace and so you'll see you know she can't pay for typical marketing channels because of how her she's categorizes people works with people's bodies does rehab healing really helps recalibrate the human body so we get a lot those are Fox what is Jimmy do they'd say director communications and then you'd you'd follow up with what does he do and they'd inhale and say well and they list a bunch of activities and what is your brand and that is of course that of professional identities that you've revolutionized into some new version of yourself okay tell tell a quick story too it is a profession that could use a little bit more branding with identity and hybridity is well I think I tell people and I've mentioned before on the and like Tony Robbins and Tim Ferriss is they are not one thing like how would you even put them in a box like Tim Ferriss Part Entrepreneur Park podcast or part host physical therapy is really everywhere from sports pediatrics geriatrics women's health it can get into so many different places and I think that's actually that locks physical and so I got to know her story and what she's been up to and she's like yeah I was a product designer industrial designer as working on like creating bicycle seats and brushes and stuff I didn't and it's a really small vibrator so she's a hybrid because she's using her background and industrial design and entrepreneurship and technology and then wearables and creating beautiful works of art that people are showing in public and they're giving them pleasure and it's kind of taking all of the the shame there's just ways to add a little flavor that shows something more about you expand tuned we'll be right back to the podcast if you're looking for yeah because I think they are people that you meet in your everyday life as well as people that are celebrities so one of one of my favorite ones that I use taxes this woman named teaching term but you coming up with this new language around professional or sorry physical therapists is exactly the problem like we just don't have enough uh-huh people who come into a second profession like myself I used to call us Weirdos I might go with hybrids from now on that civil more descriptive but I think the more you can get a profession play video games professionally and competitively and I said is there a market for that and she literally just looked at me and she said it's a it's a multibillion dollar sport and her where she co founded crave and she's created these products thought argest beautiful like they look like works of art they're nothing like you've ever seen in some store that's what's happening in professions and an identity and in society so innovation to me is at the intersection of unrelated things and when you are yes in this day and age and twenty nineteen twenty twenty kind of using the ven diagram even if you had a van diagram instead of just a job title are are employers he's can help you after you give birth for all the all the issues that might occur and those things are normal so I think I think we almost have these I think physical therapist it's too broad of a term I think PT's need to start to kind of take more of what you're saying to heart and when you introduce yourself introduce yourself in a different way and that change professions I mean just look at the new markets that are emerging right like when you cross over like what's happening with retail and then what happened with like online you can get people to come into it and bring these different things during these different circles to come into a that ven diagram profession the better it's going to be could you macro this service up because when people say I'm the conversation kind of go that's kind of cool and follow what kind by the way physical therapist at NASA did you know what is this sort of like expansion of who you are thinking about yourself in a new way and I think the challenge that I'm hearing from this episode that as we're talking is to all the physical therapists that are listening how do you talk about yourself in ways that help people extend and reshape who they are because she helped him along run yeah I would say there's two things that the hybrid does really well one is it gives people permission like people just have not heard that they're allowed to be more than the radio DJ coming in and becoming the therapist like you're unlocking new side of like what does that make you remember how to see a conversation with a classmate early on when I started doing the show and you know of course I aimed for the names that I knew and recognised because I was interested in them and then I remember he said what are you GonNa do when all the when you've interviewed all the big the very common response to say well after surgery knee replacement and stuff like that older adults and the fact of the matter is Tom and five hundred episodes later I've been proven right in that I'm still learning something and having fun doing it so that just proves the the ability to kind of cool that you understand the industry but like thing about a PT plus a healer plus an astrologer like that recipe would be like Oh maybe people are at these people have to move their bodies so why shouldn't be there and literally I was like well Duh of course of course they should be there I just want to pause going back to this idea because now you've landed in my head of like how does this these are interrelated fields and it's bringing in from places that people aren't thinking about in connecting it back to help people expand and grow and learn and change and evolve and the ores like there's this whole new brick and click movement where it's like the in person experience in the online experience are sort of like overlapping new marketplaces emerging and so right house. So I look at what you ask I'll ask you this question when I say I'm a physical therapist what comes to your mind it's probably pretty narrow and limited someone that helps thing and then the second part of it is the language like how do you articulate what do I call it so hybrid is just sort of a categorical attracted more to the holistic new age EP versus your more lake into sports and the and the urine Colorado correct right now but if you were given

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S5E1: Uh Oh, It's Magic!

The Alien Adventures of Finn Caspian

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S5E1: Uh Oh, It's Magic!

"Hi and welcome to season five of the alien of thin Caspian. My name is Jonathan messenger. I'm so excited to be back. I'm so excited to be with the real deal. One hundred percent true bebop rebel Mogo wanna try and say hi to everybody. Bebop. Rackham back right here we go season five. This is going to be so much fun. We're going to do a lot of new stuff this season. I'm really excited about it and we had a kind of cliffhanger from the last season that we really need to address has. Right. Jonathan. If you remember in the last of the Milo was about to explode, then fan had a punch in a code in order to Senate, and we needed our listeners to write in and say, what that code was. That's right up. And so we got a lot of emails. We got almost one hundred emails with different ideas for that code, and we'll thank all of our codebreakers at the end of the episode. Sound good about sounds amazing, Jonathan. All right. We're really getting along year, so should we start Jonathan? I think there's one thing that we still need to address. Oh, what's that? No, most powerful telescope in the universe. Okay, fine. Bebop because we're actually picking up. Right? Where last season left off, I relent no most powerful telescope in the universe. I promise you promise for real. Okay. All right. So if you remember what happened? The last episode Finn had already did that. Oh, sorry, old habits die hard. Okay, so let's get right into season five episode. One of the edges of Caspian. Oh, it's GIC Jonathan. No singing from you, please. Okay. Oh, it's magic. To separation. Andy ideas. Elias said, fin, don't look at me set allies, puzzle solving is your area. If we don't figure this out, the Marlow was going to be gone said valley, and we might not even be able to get to our parents come on. Fin ran through various combinations is no way. It would be something as simple as one, two, three, four, four, one one, one one. It had to be something with meaning. In fact, it had to be something that only Amaro explorer with thank oh, so could be to eighty. But then an intruder could guess that it could be ironic like eight twenty inspired by the Shakespeare, but why would. There was a number rattling around infant's head something. You'd heard the surprise to enlarge his memory. What was what was it? Finished shot his hand out typed three, four, five, five into the keypad. How system restore thin closed his eyes. He couldn't believe that he'd done it three, four, five, five, the number of books on the Marlow and the number of books pert assessor downloaded onto the guardian. Plus I agree. Computer said fin a little too close. We do not do that again. Okay. Got it. Computer said fin usually more careful. Okay. Each said fin, can I have a moment to celebrate. Just say a rhino, right? Said fin. 'cause somewhat shut that computer down Finn turned all of his friends were huddled up laughing, Abigail, peeled away, and Finn saw that volley had the ship's intercom. Mike, in his hand, pretty good impression, said volley and Abigail, allies, volley page, Genevieve, all rushed at Finn, giving him a hug, relieved that it was finally over. Okay. Said Genevieve, sitting in the captain's chair, the courses set we should be at the puzzle masters planet and a few hours. We could pick up the grownups just a reminder. You all have to explain why there's a dragon sticking out of the side of the Marlow I'm not taking the blame for that one. Thin, Abigail, allies, followed in page were all lying on the captain's bridge floor. So we're the other kids. They were exhausted. The kids who had been left on the Marlow had been under Bunce's careful and evil eye for weeks, and the explorers had faced their most difficult challenges yet they all wanted to sleep, but no one wanted to be alone. So they dragged mattresses from their various compartments and line the floor with them. Most head does Duff but troop three, oh one was still up. What if they're not there, said Abigail. It's been a long time since we left our parents. What if something has happened and will find them wherever they went said Finn is not like it's the first time we've had to find something and far off galaxy Elias was lying on his stomach, doodling, a new design and his robot notebook. Look at this guy's allies held up as notebook. So the others could see what is that said volley. It's a new design for proto a sort of proto two point. Oh, elisas drawing showed a robot that looked like fester, but had a crown on its head and something shining on his chest. What is that? Said page a medallion. Yeah, set allies. I thought we should crown him and give him an award since you know, he saved all of us and sacrifice himself for the Marlow sacrifice themselves said Finn. I thought you said. He was going to be okay, he is is set allies. He just overloaded when he connected to the guardian, he'll be fine. Meg cloak. Oh, foggy of electronics took him down to the robot room, but I thought that while he was down, we could, you know, fix him, fix him, said page proto is broken. I know, said allies. I'm just saying he has some trouble talking, so maybe we could. He doesn't have trouble talking said page. That's who he is. You keep your dirty mitts off of him. Wow, sit allies. Okay. Okay. Where I think pages saying, Elias, said, Abigail is you can give proto his awards and his crown for all he's done for us, but trying to change him like that. We love proto as he is, and because of who he is, he was able to save all of us. I know I get it set Elias, hey, if you wanna fix someone, maybe you could give me a robot arm said Vaughn. Ali, what's wrong with the arms. You have said fin. Nothing said volley has he started to drift off to sleep? I just wanna robot one like not to replace my arms. I want one like in the middle of my chest, and it would be super strong and super fast. So I could eat really quick. Valet fell asleep in one after the other. So to the other explorers. Excuse surprised to find they were not alone standing over them smiling where their parents to kids jumped up and wrap their arms around their parents who looked tired and hungry Ed more than a little weepy. Captain Caspian was the first, so let go of Finnan page and clearing her throat. She addressed the entire Marlow crew which had assembled on the captain's bridge and spilled out into the hallway as a parent said, captain Caspian. You are constantly surprised by how amazing your children are, but I think we can all agree that all of the Marlow children, whether they were out on the planet's of this galaxy, trying to save us or here on the Marlow trying to stop the scourge of Bunce are something beyond amazing. I, I know I should, but I don't have the words right now because I'm very tired and I haven't eaten anything for a very long time. And so I say we all head to the great hall for some ice cream. But before that, we must remember that we are Marlow cosmonauts explorers and trackers of the universe, unknown. And so even while we rest and we celebrate and we reunite, we must continue our mission. So Genevieve set our course for the next galaxy, the Marlo will never be stopped the Marlow astronauts all cheered and filed out of the bridge. Each of them taking turns to boo Bunce, who was still stuck under or laser net sitting in the hallway looking very sad, get a haircut, yelled volley as he passed him by. I'm happy that things were finally returning to normal. After laid eating, there is cream and the kids have been squeezed by their parents for longer than a human should be squeezed. Everyone returned to their compartments to go to sleep. The Marlow was humming along toward a new galaxy and Catherine Caspian had already told the explorers what their next mission would be to visit a planet that it appeared from early readings had the same atmospheric conditions as earth, same amount of oxygen, same air to breathe same salty oceans that may clouds and rain and snow. Get some rest said Cathy Caspian. This could be the one. At three in the morning Finn was still awake. There was something that was bothering him and he couldn't quite shake. He got in the right code just in the Nick of time, they'd picked up his parents and the rest of the adults. They'd had ice cream, but there was still something nagging at the back of his brain. He got up and put on an extra pair of socks both to warm his feet and allow him to walk quietly around his compartment. He opened his bedroom door and he tiptoed through the small living space, careful not to wake his parents or page. He slowly opened a small drawer and pulled out a flashlight, leaving the door open. So no one would hear it. Close tiptoed to the door and opened it. Finally, said, Abigail, sitting against the hallway wall directly across from his door for a minute there. I thought you could actually sleep and I was wondering what was wrong with you. We all were said, volley who is sitting against the wall next to fence door, allies on the other side closed as robot notebook and stood up. Okay. So none of us can sleep. What do we do now? But the explorers were already walking and they all knew where they were headed. They hadn't seen their robot friends ever since the parents had arrived. So they passed the great hall, the map room, the library and wound their way down to the robot room. They were surprised to find the door open foggy said fin as they walked through the doorway, what are you all? But Finn stopped foggy, wasn't there. Neither were voltron IX or pro. Jio or Meg. In fact, it looks like the entire robot room had been ransacked papers everywhere desks turned over all the robots tipped over in lying on their sides. They heard a distant rumble of an explorer pot and without saying word, they all dashed out of the robot room and down the hall running his fast as they could toward the explorer pod bay. When they got there, they found foggy Meg cloak. Oh, voltron IX all standing outside the airlock. One of the bay doors was still open at an explorer pod was rocketing away from the Marlow. What is it? Said fin come on. Don't tell me. Bunce got away now said foggy. Wants foggy, put his head in his hands fin looked out the window. He could see the explorer pond, flying away, packed with robots, have aside it. We're two people dressed in black flying outside the pod, no rockets, no jet packs. Just flying. One of them turned to defend looked in the I couldn't quite see because the person was wearing a mask. He could have sworn that he or she was smiling. Got it. Said fog, they took all of the Marlow secret robot, blueprints that everything. Said voltron IX sweet. Fancy Oreos to proto. I don't understand set allies what happened. I'm not blaming you, but why didn't you stop them? They use something that we were powerless to stop, said, Meg. I know this will not make sense, but. They used. Magic. All right. I'm here with my son and nine year old Griffin messengers. Say hi to everybody. Griff. Hello. All right. Indeed welcome back. Oh, you're dancing Dahbi. The middle. All right. You're you're excited to be back, right. All right. I'm excited to have you back another. Okay, you excited. All right. So what are you thinking that up. Good. Okay. I'll take good for. I. Good plus one. Okay. Do you have any questions. Who knows. People at the end of the episode who were the two people. You had a theory. I, I think is bogus in being August and being from c. from season one. That's a good guess. Of course. No spoilers. Playing club episode number two. Well, I will say this season is partially inspired by a series of books called the very nearly honorable league of pirates which was recommended by our listener Colin train. And so this beginning plot kind of take some from the beginning plot of the very first book from that series. But having said that doesn't mean it couldn't be bugs and being I'm just saying, what kind of did the us magic or something who do use magic if if it's actually bunkers him being, did they use magic or not? That's a question four spoiler club not for me. Do you understand why what the number, where the number came from that Finn punched into the keypad is a number of books that are in the library of the Marlow and so that number was stuck infant's head so types it in and save the Marla. The computer. Oh yes. Funding, and so thank you to everybody who guests. I'm going to list off everybody who gets that who figured it out who sent in their ideas for the answer to the finale puzzle and a little bit. Are any other thoughts or questions Griffin then what time does it joke. Joke. Okay. Our time. Joke time. All right. So we've a bunch of jokes today from our listener Cameron, who's ten from Perth, Australia, who started his own podcast called galactic adventures of the Lisbon nine ninety five. That's awesome Cameron and he sent in a bunch of jokes and a bunch of art, and he reminded us that we had told his jokes yet, and so I appreciate the reminder. And here they come. What do you call Safran when she wants to pass wind, a gas giant. What is a monster favorite dessert? I scream. What did Finn, say to Abigail when a monster was chasing after them? I think we should get out of here like fin Fink. What did the planet say to the asteroid meteor tomorrow? Thank you so much to Cameron for all of those jokes. All right. And then we have one joke that was sent in by our Ryan who's five from Lancashire England. I never know how to pronounce the names of English towns. I would say Lancashire and I know that all of our English listeners would cringe. Some guessing Lancashire England. Here we go Ryan. Alien sur Mer, weather aliens line on Mel kick. That's great. Thank you so much Ryan, and that's all for jokes. Alright, since we have so many people to think for solving the code, we're going to thank all of our codebreakers today. And then in our next episode we're going to do massive art. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody's been sending in the art is amazing, but the show would go on for a very long time. So codebreakers this week, art next week and then forever into the future. So thank you to our codebreakers Freda from Wellington New Zealand, Arpels, Liam, and Theodore, and pinches KYW in Nottingham England. Our old friend million Shriver Zion and Levi from young tuck, South Korea, Juliana, and Mike from Sebastopol California, Markham from Milton Massachusetts Henry who's eleven, and Callum who's eight from Piedmont California. Our old pal, Emmett, Emma, who's ten Harrison who seven and a half from Chicago, Illinois. Someone who emails us under the name. Squelched the Jona texter who's eight and Maxwell who's five Dagan Cameron or Cambe? Three thousand who's ten from Perth, Australia, sisters, sage, and juniper Jason from Oregon Lewis from Spartanburg, South Carolina whose nine Jeffrey who seven and Kayla who's five from San Carlos California, my low and Zoe, aka scout from San Francisco, California, our old friend Layla hope you're doing well, Leyla Victoria cast whose twelve Oscar who seven from Richfield, Minnesota, Logan, and Catherine from Belleville Canada. Philip from West Point, Mississippi. Our friend Dylan August from Lee's summit Missouri. Gabriel who's nine Sarah, who's five man who's eight from Kensington Maryland. Mara, who's eight leaf who six from San Diego school finless. Here's our and leaf our pal. You see, who had a really cool guess where he guessed zero zero one, zero zero zero. One like binary code. Good guests. Liam who six core who's four from complexes Yuri from Gainesville, Florida Christian, who's eight and Daniels five from Sydney, Australia, Sarah, Beth, who's eight and silence who six from south Portland, Maine, Henry who's five from Olympia Washington, Andrew, and Hayley or Ryan Brennan deacon from Pasadena, California. Alma who seven Alana who six point seven, five years old from Raleigh, North Carolina mica. And he Don from Evanston Illinois Benji who's eight Genevieve, who is seven from Silver Spring, Maryland, John, from Saint Paul, Minnesota. And so from Fort Collins, Colorado are friends, Carmen, and Christine, and come meal. Thank you all so much. All right. I think that's it. Thank you to everybody. So having you back for season five, a lot of really fun stuff plan. Don't you think. All right. Anything else you want to say to the audience. All right us he stabbed yet. All right. You saying about everybody. All right. I want to say thanks again for coming back to season five of the vendors in Caspian so much fun this season. We're gonna have a lot more ways for you to participate in the show. Thank you for all your art, your jokes, your codes. You're sounds. Everything is really amazing. Thank you all so much. Also, if you sent your library card photo it and you haven't gotten the story go to Finn casper dot com. Slash library. The link is live there. Now you could just pick it up. You don't have to re enter anything. Just grabbed the story and go the airline of in Kansas agency kids production written and produced. My messenger edited guided by Christmas Joel, special, thanks Maria, Vienna, Wayland Everson messenger is our inter. 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Best Bits of the Week with Morgan2 - 'What You Didn't Hear About Raymundo's Wedding' Week of 10/26

The Bobby Bones Show

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Best Bits of the Week with Morgan2 - 'What You Didn't Hear About Raymundo's Wedding' Week of 10/26

"The. Best bits of the week. With Morgan number two you. Everyone it's Morgan to another week means eight other week of awesome shows. We had a lot happened this week, and on this podcast I break down our biggest segments of the week. So most of the time that will include stuff from the show members but sometimes, we have really cool artists that come on and I'll just breakdown everything. So you make sure that you're always caught up on everything bobby bones show I one lunchbox prank called a funeral home because he said, his neighbor was giving him a hard time about his halloween decorations basically saying that they weren't real. So he needed to figure that out. Let's see how this number seven. Halloween is coming up in my neighbors are making fun of my decoration saying they look fake. So you're asking if I can borrow a skeleton. When I get. To Go. Help you. I was just calling because I need a huge favor. So like I have Halloween decorations up in my front yard and my neighbors keep telling me Mega. Decorations week they don't even look real. So I was wondering if I could get a skeleton from you guys there. We don't have any human remains available for sale at the funeral. No I don't want to buy I was hoping to just kind of borrowing for the week because Halloween put them in the front yard and then tell my neighbors yet does that look real there? I appreciate the humor but that's not a possibility. Could you do you have like? Maybe just like a limb that's not going to be a possibility any way to any on any level where don't do stuff like that it's illegal. It's not our rule illegal to put a skeleton in the front yard it illegal for a funeral home to a skeleton or rent a skeleton for somebody to put in their Front Yard Jeff, like I said, I wouldn't have to pay for it. Is that what you'd be lending like borrowing? So we would. Legal Honestly Fair. Much of the full extent of that will but that's not that's not going to happen like could I like cut some hair off one to put on my skeleton to make it look real at that point can you just use your own hair? Not Very long and I need to go to work. It's not going to be anything anything we can do to reconcile that issue. Now, it made me feel funny inside. That's a funny one though. And good for this guy, he's standing by it. He didn't say, Hey, leave your number and I get back to think about it. Like that. It's the best bits of the week. With Morgan number two. So, Chris Stapleton is what you would consider one of country music's UNICORNS. He almost never does interviews but we caught him even though it's the pandemic and things are crazy. He decided to come on and talk with us and he might have laughed at Bobby about something number six. The Friday morning conversation with pull stapleton. Favorite guys in country. Music is on Chris how are you? Doing, great. How are you bobby? Man's really good to talk to you. I gotTa tell you as always a massive fan of of your music and. Wanted Song Arkansas came out. I said all right I'M GONNA. Listen to this I'm from Arkansas and came on the air and I'll be honest I cried and I know this is such a jam. I know it's such a jam but let me explain to you why it meant so much to me. Okay. And, you'll relate because you're from Kentucky but I feel like in my life being from Arkansas, we've only been called hillbillies rednecks. We're always made fun of for being dumb and the fact that you made a positive song about where I'm from nobody respects where I come from I literally had tears coming from my face Chris and I know it's hard to hear when it's Jam Song. But that song him mostly I just WanNa share that with you. It was not expect response but you know it's A. It's just a fun song about driving fast through those mountains. But you know it's what a beautiful thing that is you know that that's real. I. Mean That's all just kind of. Steffi monitoring is probably you know. Other than getting you know chased by the cops it's. It's You know it's it's really about driving through Arkansas and it's just it was just a beautiful state to drive through anybody ever. Has More time on their hands and a little lecture gas money. It's a it's a worthwhile drive. What was that trip we were going to pick up a car and Oklahoma City is that right? Yeah, Well, let me and my basically got dropped off my wife bought me a car for my birthday, which was very nice. Suffer because my wife's cool like that and so rather than you know can always sort out having things shipped and things like that but it just seemed like scientists. To, drive it home. So we started in Oklahoma City and kind of wound. you know started up in northern Arkansas and wound down and then came over. On drive through Memphis and you know back to Nashville so. That you know. I like driving I'm a I'M A. I'm a road trip with no purpose person and at heart I. Think. Chris Stapleton's on with us. Are you a big music guy like what do you listen to on a road trip? Oh, there's probably For sure some competitive wildflower happening that's that's that's my main record, but it's also a main road trip record. I just love that record so much. but you know I have. Listened to my birthday to cure. He's A. He's a he's like a walking jukebox. So he's he's always got a lot of. Pockets of. Yeah. We Listen. To music. I I mentioned as vulnerable said, that's all brought me to tears nauman. Ask if you ever written a Song Crescent as writing it. You're so moved by it that in a in a beautiful way or a sad way that you cry in the middle of writing your own song. Oh well, I mean. There's a song this record call Maga- song it's about a month dog died and how countries that I mean But probably you know I wrote at the day after she died. And so that that's on what was a tough one for me but. that's that's all I can really remember. but you know I can't remember a lot of things have happened twenties. Chris. Stapleton Zone with us. Now you one of the best pure vocalists out there when you get in the shower, do you sing songs like everyone else because when I get in the shower that's where I let it rip. Are you letting repin there? Oh you know man I I'm not a I don't think so I'm not a big. Theory to me how much I really just enjoy silence I'm Kinda big. In general. I like silence because I'm I I kinda got things bouncing around in my head I have enough noise in my head but. I think I think sometimes the silence feels more like the appropriate thing for me. When by myself? the shower. Starting over is the single. Now, we play it all the time. Tell me about this one. What this song here starting over? Why did you choose just WanNa be the first radio song. What does it mean to you? Well it was kind of. My played, the the record label and I wanted to name it starting over the record. Because it. Seemed appropriate at the time. And I know everybody just kind of gravitated towards that it was You know it's a song with a little bit of hope, Bennett and I think maybe you some that right now and. It's a good driving song which I'm a fan of you know so. I I. Think it's if a song sounds good why you're riding in a car that's that's probably a good. A good mark. Urban Legend of Chris Stapleton is that when you made this record and because you're being so safe with Kobe, you drove it over to recognize put him on top of his car on CD and then drove off and said, hey, left to record there. See you soon. But not completely incorrect. I. Mean He came outside I laid on. So it's of correct. Yeah I drove I drove it to a couple of different People's houses that you know. Necessarily, get the ball rolling Yeah. I like an email and I like I smell like CD's probably sound like a dinosaur of. I like to get people physical copies of things and. You know like people to listen to the car when you send somebody something in an email. He doesn't work so well to listen to the car. Car Listening is an important factor for me. One final question for you. Before you go instagram, do you have it on your phone? Are You uploading pictures or do you have someone to do that for you? I, don't have it on my phone No. and yes, we do have people that work on that. I mean is obviously we talk about it I'm. Getting I. Think too crazy but but not my instagram for not particularly crazy either so. I'm a horrible photographer. I you know. I jokingly take horrible selfish. You know the and send them to my wife jokes but I'm not I'm not that person who you know who has a real skill in that in that regard? So yes, we have. We have somebody kind of handling my wife. You know she she has wanted to then she she kind of. As much better at that but that's not saying Chris Grades Talk to you. Thank you for the time hopefully, things clear up maybe next year I'll see you again until be my friend and thanks. Chris Stapleton and. It's the best bits of the week. With Morgan number two. Bobby loves going on the APP TIKTOK and exploring through all the different videos that are on there and recently was on there and saw country singer. Sarah Beth hate and she was doing one of her song. She said she'd never been on country radio, but she went viral on the TIKTOK APP. So he decided to bring her in studio and she played for us. It was pretty cool number five. On the bobby bones show. Now at the Tate Sarabeth this nice to meet you so nice to meet you. So what happened was I was on Tiktok. and. I guess because I listen to country music I, get the country music hashtags if they come through my my talk page and I saw yours, and this is what you're Tiktok said it's you driving your car you're playing your song overhead and you said I've been writing songs in Nashville for six years. So let's start there. You move to town six years ago Japan, six years ago from from Fort Collins Colorado with what in mind like what were the Big Star goals for you? Record deal. You know kind of kind of the same short-term goals everybody. But really I just wanted to sing country music and I've actually signed my first publishing deal almost nine years ago now So I started coming out here and I was fourteen, and then I finally got the chance to move out when I was seventeen and that's that's when I kind of officially started all of this and just been singing and writing ever since. So so you move out here from Fort Collins Singing Kid at school. Like. This is what's not like I. I mean I Kinda I loved country music and I'm I'm a country music fan and so I and I love to sing I knew that's what I wanted to sing and I kinda thought Hey, I've found out people in Nashville are doing this as a career and they're making money doing this and people write songs, and that's what they do is their job and. I think I mean literally on one of my first trips here at Kinda met my first publisher and started getting a CO write with people and it just kind of I mean. I never dreamed it would it would get to be where it is today. So it's been it's been a really fun journey. Then she writes after saying she had been writing songs in town for short I'd I'd never had a record deal or a song on the radio, and then you have now had one hundred thousand followers on on Tiktok or instagram which one is so yeah, it's actually like two, hundred, fifteen talk which so we're. So I wrote and you can do some call duet where you put your video beside there's An said hey. I happen to have the biggest radio show and while you come up and play. So when you saw this, did someone call you go? Hey, you should look at your Tiktok or did they. votes. So I, I was doing vocal in my living room. You know we're all doing demos in our living rooms because of Covid, and so I had my phone on do not disturb. This is why it took me what thirty minutes to comment back to you. So I had it on, do not disturb I, pick it up and I've got all of these text messages and first of all, like your team peeps are awesome and they were literally messaging me like have you seen this? Have you seen this yet and? It was just like a world and then I finally got to talk to see your video and I just then I had to like gather myself. I literally had to like put my phone down and cry for a few minutes. And then I finally was like, okay. Now, I need to come back and say something. So it was it was really really fun. I'm so happy that you're here I love to just be able to see you know an artist WHO's trying to make it I. Thought Your Song was good from what I could hear their. Thank you. So I, invite her to complain so she'll not only get. Here a song on the radio. She can also complain on the radio, this lobby online that'd be to be good for all of them. Yeah well, this is really good for me. Thank you so much. For having me and just I mean literally for making my year this is a. Very Fun in the middle of the bar was set pretty low anyway. dougie. So we don't have a lot to make it better but I'm glad we're good. Okay in Studio Right now Sarah Tait too. I just saw tiktok randomly scrolling and now she is here and you're gonNA play what song for us play long way on this plane over your take your s We put this song out three and a half weeks ago, and we're at about one point, five million streams and it was it was number one on itunes. The date came out all genres for like two days which was crazy. I thought it was gonna be like maybe two hours when I saw it, I was like freaking out and it's it's just there's been a lot of cool things that this song lately so. I'll play it for all. My tiktok friends you made all this happen. All right. Here we go. This is Sarah Beth Tate. made it to party this. And I think only brought. To US did turnaround heavy town somebody walks who? Finally stabbed Ma. Phone. Gidon sleep. So, what you WanNa hit me. So it. Baby cannock. Oh. Sure. Plays. You know. Own. Did. Easy to. Come. Long. You. Sarah. You feel right now. Thank you I. Feel incredible. Right now, this is probably my favorite day. Are you engaged? Yes. Don't laugh I forgot engagement ring today so we are still engaged. I just forgot to put it on but yes, my fiance's right through the window looking very happy right now how long ago? Did you get engaged? I got engaged in May? Okay. So the net day, let's be honest. It's not quite but close and yeah, we're just. So we're just a little bit ahead of you. It sounds like in the wedding planning process but fun time and My fiance is a huge fan of the show he he's been listening even law have to say isn't longer than I have and he just loves you also this is really cool for us Sarah Beth tate on instagram and talk. Well, it has been fantastic to meet you big things ahead and whenever the big things happen we're gonNA check in and hear all about it. Okay and Hockey Tarpley. Good to meet you too hawks. Awesome. He made me sound good today. All right there she is Sarah take. Gets the best bits of the week. With Morgan number two. It's no secret that are lunchbox is a huge making man. He will do just about anything for some cash I mean even does a coin challenge where he picks up coins on the street and this week bobby made him a business proposition. So in honor of Halloween, he asked lunchbox to do a bunch of superstitions that basically everybody thinks bring on bad luck. So he walked under a ladder broke Amir, walked in front of the black cat you name it. He pretty much did it. also I brought in lunchbox. He has been updating us about his bad luck situations ever since this happened but so far no bad luck. No. No none of course. But I look at my bank account I got fifty two dollars an online. Hey, this is a nice fifty dollars. You want to pay me ten dollars to break Amir I'll do it. Again have you ever been superstitions about anything in your life? I'm superstitious about everything in my life I'm watching a sporting event and the team is cheering for if it's a big game, they're winning I won't even get up and go to the bathroom because I don't WanNa ruin the Mojo I gotta keep those fluids inside just in case I mess it up. Oh no no. No you laugh. No you laugh mortgage. I don't know why you're Lavon there the world series in two thousand and two. Okay. It's the angels versus the giants and I'm cheering for the angels in Game. Six, they win to force a game seven. The next night roommate could not be there. So I took his clothes that he was wearing the night before the late them in the exact same spot that way to ensure an angels victory and guess what Angels One. Okay. But Soviet superstitious about all these other things especially when it comes to sports, why would you do things that people believe bring you bad luck got. So basically a screw all your values if you get paid exactly. Okay. I was just making sure we're clear on that. Okay. So even for a couple of bucks, you got fifty dollars for getting potentially bad luck for the next at least seven years. Seven years it was only four things. No bits the superstition that a lot of these last longer than one year so. Prepared for the next seven years have bad luck I am ready for in every time something bad happened on like man that one worth fifty, two dollars. But when good things happen hyped looking at fifty two bucks and what would you consider to be bad luck. someone breaks into my car someone steals my wallet Someone steals my wife I don't know I mean that's bad luck. Okay. Well, so you're saying you're you're holding to it that superstitions you know you're really not as long as there's money as long as there's if you pay me, I'll do it and that's why I did these. All right. Well, there you have it. So you can listen to the segment he did it all and as for now there is no bad luck happening to him, but you also heard what would be bad luck. Let's hope nobody steals your wife number four. lunchbox has. Four things going to do on no five things he's going to do right now. On the show at are all supposed to bring bad luck number one for ten dollars we have a ladder in the. Now it says walk under the ladder. Now here's the thing we need to lane that ladder against a wall and have them walk under it that way. Walking to the middle of it's not bad luck. You know what I'm saying like walking into a just walk under who the crap. You know what? He's walking into the ladder. Dancing through it. Okay. Go back through applying illegal networks. going. Backward Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly hit your head caddy. Bleeding ten dollars. Next up, break a mirror. A. He has a hammer and got a little hand held mirror erratic. At these and GETS THEM IN AS I. Hear that. It's my hammer go ahead. Ten dollars and I'm gonNA covered my eyes. Think shattered like crazy. Yea. Nobody walked barefoot in here. Maybe, we should like broken in the bag. Bought into this. Mirror everywhere we have a custodian. There's gotTa. Vacuum. lunchbox may ten dollars. K Take that umbrella on the floor. That's it. Now, if you're slowly open that here we go open. Is. There it is. Any open it, and now he's. The rain. I. On. To protect me. Okay. Old Next Up. I need you to step on a crack. Crack he can stop on? That's funny. That's real. Funny. He just doesn't crack I'm coming. Is there one out in the hall any watch out for the last when you lay down? He'll have to run outside and do this on the sidewalk we'll do that is the second one more I tip over a salt Shaker. All you need to make sure that comes out of it though and you tip it over. Fancy with Salt Shaker me. Help Mississippi Salts all right Oh and there he goes he tipped. Okay friends. So. Right now, forty bucks. Two more dollars you step on a crack me a crime, you can go outside and do that one. Other guests are you're GONNA see it? Okay there you go. There are cracks. Two dollars now, but we're GONNA do is all week today's Wednesday every day we're gonNA check in and see if anything bad's happened in his life. You gotta be honest with US lunchbox. Guys. Yes you would. You often do everyday not never. But I'll be honest I mean, I'll keep track of anything bags rolled. Would you have done that for forty two dollars? All of that. Now. I can do other things time. Time. To down that it's not worth it. I'm just like you said that little chance that it could be true worth it. You guys don't know what money can do. What. We do. It's the best bits of the week. With Morgan number two. We had on some of our favorite people this week. Garth Brooks in Tricia Earwood, came on together one or the other they came on together. They checked in with us from their house to talk about their duet shallow garth new album, and even being at Raymond as wedding. Here it is number three. The Friday. Morning Conversation with Garth Brooks and TRICIA earwood. Favorite people in the whole world is on the phone and so was Garth Brooks. I. Just got. Hey Guys Garth let me ask this question. 'cause you brought the injury thing I was ready to watch the facebook where we're gonNA talk about the new record you hurt yourself on the farm what in the world are you doing? I was loaded chops off the grabbed the back end of it, which is safe if. The dam collapsed on me and is It just. When I felt it, I didn't WanNa see it's not. It's my right in a discount. Felt my left measure Oma parts were there and listen you know what I got. Lucky everybody. It's so sweet acids just going to be it's going to be black and blue for awhile but I. Really. What? Russia when he says, he injured himself on the farm you ever like we'll stop doing crazy stuff on the farm. This is not the first. One that everybody knows about like you'll come the house and like. Last night like whatever's IRA? What is what happened is I owe a Few hours ago at sign he this ditch, but he didn't get one so. He's careful but you know Amazon car so when he comes back. On the pharmacist who's at our work with? Birdwell you know that that's that's the Raimondo now, the Raymundo family. Ta Ray was back at work the Monday after his wedding. What do you think about that? I think you're terrible boss No. I told him he can do it every once. But honestly, the show we really need do need raise. Our. Your was saying he's the real show. We're not GONNA argue. Garth. Patricia are on I. Do WanNa, talk about shallow. You know the day it came out we were planning to bunch and. Why would you guys put that on the new record shallow. That's what we were saying. Well it started off with that base live thing with request and digital. and. Then we did it again, his abs another another lack are requesting CVs saying and then somebody said, you should report it I mean a lot of your sandwiches, record it and I really think aren't said we'll report it for the Ala but really thinking that it would make our. So I mean because it was the biggest hit for them. Why would we do this? And then we'll just really lack how came out so it you're this many you can ignore people, anatomy voices they do something I was honest with them. So the okay we'll. Knowing it would never make the record. Fifteen seconds into this thing and off Jerry the Houston. Chronicle. Gustav all alone. You know wing what was coming when gleaming set to the my I was in that room the moment had happened. You saw all the players totally changed and you can hear it on the record they went to some of the. Hey, had a question for Garth. I was talking about my favorite music videos of all time country music videos, and before I tell you which one I picked. I'm because that's one of yours but which one of your videos to. D Go that's my favorite video man I'm so sorry there was the second way remains the dance it was the was the most inexpensive one we made. It was quickest one. We ever made that there's something about the dance is still to this day when I see those frames HFS. Especially Woodley I. I love the shots widdly in just a in in our lane frost. Those guys it just it's just a beautiful beach for me. Thank you well. You'll be getting yours. Yeah. Go ahead saving Neyla I'm GonNa have to guess read Stroz no but I do love red strokes that was a great one. The one because. It with key with videos I go. Okay. What really? Put an impression inside of me that I still remember today and okay you know what I love standing outside the fire. Let me go watch it again I watched it again the other day and tears is again as an adult man that video to me was so great when you put that out, what was the response? The response was the same way. It's just a lot of lot of cheering for the underdog and I can't tell you how kids the get that are that are children with either special needs just Touched in a different way than what we call normal here. How many kind of is their anthem it in their? Garth and TRICIA on Tricia. Some advice from you. Please if there are a lot of folks out there that are doing cooking segments or cook and shows on Youtube. My fiance actually just did a little cooking thing from from our kitchen. What is the advice that you give to someone who was starting some sign of some some sort of cooking program? While, I would say that it maybe I met your. Wedding or something and she didn't tell me that she was a great cup and that she was doing this. I saw this I saw yesterday was like they did not came into not not said anything to me. At. The way. So I'm just saying. First of all, she's beautiful and she's a lovely person and we were very happy to get to ask you guys at the wedding I would like to Cook Person. That's that's my vices that why why and she called me to cook with her left. You know if I tell her she's going say this is gonNA. Say She's so humble about her she likes to cook. She's like I know nothing I'm GonNa say hey tricia said she'd like to cook with you go that was just for radio you guys have a plan a real land Now let me tell you this what I'm a home cook like mom. So I am not I know what I know and I was really intimidated by the cooking world when I started doing this because I didn't. I don't know what all the chefs now, but I know what I know and they is a great world I'll tell you this. They make you feel like what you bring to the table number. One intended is as important as all the things they learn connor school so. My Real Advice Julie would not be afraid to to because cooking you know how to do it in. It's your thing you know it in you got it and the word on Caitlin. on-off radios that she's really good. Coach. So I I, just think she's she has to keep doing the end to be. Confident about it and I will cook with her anytime and we can talk about it or not talk about on the radio but I I would be happy to. I'll tell. Huckabee national even. About. This. No I. Think originally, he was asking about tips or advice about cooking. Oh. Yeah. Ask Them. Well, let's go. Sometimes I just like to talk to Tricia. I understand what you're saying what's that Lady Mary much I Can't. Remember for. Scores. Second role she's gorgeous and in the third thing man you sure you want pick this is your life partner because. She's Okie and she is good at telling you what she thinks through this you better you better be tough. Well my kitchen is already full of Oklahoma. Paraphernalia which I never thought what happened but. Is it true garth that you invented something called Taco pizza. Yeah. Is there anything I get credit for how to eat? Beating with the IB five. It's TACO pizza or you're talking about one night and the great thing about Taco pizza it's called hot may so instead of renaissance used sauce but now layer being cheese all the means everything you want cook and while you're waiting for it to cook in your mixing together tomatoes the lettuce. The literally. Yet goals her reaction. When it comes out. You just slatter all that stuff on top and then that's when you cut it you. Garth has. Said and I want to do an eating show where I just eat. Just. Bring. Out there that might be. Right there. GARTH has a new album is twelfth studio album find coming out in November twentieth. What's what's what about this record is differ for you, garth. What I the opposite what I love about this out is it's Sanger's there's new Stefan silence. because there's fourteen cousins, a lot of fun stuff on there but also compared to in pieces because this was done. Atkins Stadium Run in the stadium run turn my head around man it. It brought a whole new Jack Entertainment but their songs on there like sometimes you got to live again and were the arsenal burn that I would go back and put on the very first far. So. What I love about this this album is it scattered they knew Scott all innocence in the sleeves, the game on earth record our las long. So it's a for me is it's it's like a car buff buffet of of the years in play music all in one record. So this is this is really a fun fun record for me. On with this fun when the cuts. Are. There they are garth and Tricia. Hey, thank you guys for the time. It was great seeing you guys last weekend and hopefully we'll see again soon. Regulations on everybody's happening in their lives on that, and that's really cool. It's the best bits of the week. With. Morgan number two. Something happened at Amy's House that kind of turned into tell me something good and I brought on amy to kind of have this story more. So shared, she shared a little bit on the show, but I think there's the more backstory to all of us. So I wanNA bring her on Habe. Hey, we'll. Thanks for having me on because I feel like this is definitely story. Should it made the news? But nobody nobody was vote chill has called. So thank you for reaching out and it is one of those crazy things where. An accident happens and it's tragic at the time, but then uncovers something. That would have not been discovered like they were saying the next day because the guy you'll hear in the clip but he ended up having to get a pacemaker and he would never have gone to the hospital I. Guess he ever use a definitive term like never but he was not the type that was going to go in the hospital because his heart rate was low you probably just wouldn't. Have Gone, and in fact, when the paramedics were there and they were asking him to go, he wasn't GonNa go he didn't want to go but finally caved in and he went and then when we got update the next day that the fall saved his life the it's that's insane to me. So so when this happened, you had said you know these were workers working at your house just hanging off. I thought we were going to get sued. Yeah. Sure. So were you inside like you heard the right out on our? Okay. How do you see you could see everything and then we had a call nine, one, one I mean. But that decision was even hard because I think you go back and forth with the she'll be called Mungo over those or not but he didn't want to move and then you know your head just flashes through all these movies or things you've heard about where if you touch the person, it makes it ten times worse and so we just knew we were not equipped to handle the situation especially because he's elderly and. that. That resulted in you know ambulance arriving the whole. My son was just bummed. He was at school 'cause he's like what an ambulance was here. I can't believe I missed it. And you also mentioned that the other worker had a broken leg when they came. So that's why the other man was on the ladder. Yes. So when they first came and he showed up with a broken leg where you're like, okay, no worked our friend works at them and you know I learned in thing to that bobby knew who these people were because they were doing some stuff at their house and so I my. Dad is seventy nine and he only started to have health problems a few years ago. So in his mid to late seventies, he was working every day and would have been on a ladder and totally capable of taking care of himself and worked in construction. So I, I didn't think much of it and it really wasn't. He didn't fall because he was old fell because the the ladder just went off the edge now i. Do, think a younger person had gone off the edge it would have been different, but that wasn't what was meant to be. It was meant to be that the older gentlemen went off the ledge so that his pacemaker could get put in do you believe in divine intervention? Especially after this there's another woman that I know that I knew her when I lived in North Carolina and she loved riding horses and she was Really good at writing them her falling off the Horse I mean depending on the horse it could happen I know people that are used to horses fall off, I, get it but she had not fallen off in the that wasn't her thing. She was very trained knew what she was doing and she fell off a horse one day. She couldn't believe that broke her collarbone she was a doctor it took a lot of her. That for her to break that was just not good for her at the time. But when she broke the collarbone through the x rays, they found a tumor and they were able to remove it because it was stage one and that saved her life. So to me stories like that, are ya a crazy way of figuring out saying the here in the story with my dad how I share how they found his tumor and it was all because he had a stroke and the stroke was a bummer but maybe if they hadn't of. Had the stroke then they would have found the tumor at a later stage and you know finding something earliest crucial and I. do think it's so cool that you had one of those stories that we always read about on the Internet. But then you're like, Hey, this happened to me in real life. But on the other question I had was after this happen where you and your husband. Kinda. Like, okay we need to check our insurance and make sure everything's coming yet but I did I, haven't yet. But then that wasn't even a concern I think they were just so excited that in of course, I, was concerned about his safety more so than the suing that was more like a joke, but it is thought that crosses your mind and curtain still aren't hung by the way out. No big deal, but we kept thinking we'll get around to it. We'll get around, but we haven't yet but I think that. You you have. That's not important at the time, but you do have the thoughts and then now that it wasn't an issue or not circling back to but we probably should just to make sure that we're good to go and then my father-in-law he's the sweetest in the world he already before we able to give him the update he was about to ask us if we knew a hospital because he wanted to go visit him. And we were like well, guess what he got a pacemaker and he's going to be fine and it's amazing in his like wow. Okay. Cool. Like I was GonNa see if I needed to go check on him and I thought in my in laws are just visiting for a couple of weeks from Texas and they were gonNA take time out of their day to go visit some guy at the hospital that fell times when that that really stranger kind of a trauma accident happens you just feel connected to be in a really interesting way you can't explain. Yeah and. That's probably what they were feeling. So well, there you have it. We all definitely believe in divine intervention after that situation at Amy's house and we'll leave it on this. If this happens at your house, what advice to give Somebody Amy Oh. Don't hesitate to call for help because you never know what is really at stake. As you know if someone were to fall, you may not think it's that big of a deal but if they don't want to move and then also if they're pair if the paramedics are urging you to please go into the hospital because of. Low heart rate or whatever the case may be XYZ they are the professionals so you should. Listen to them right away and not argue with people that know what they're talking about. A thank you amy number two. So, tell us what happened at your house. So we had some people there hangings and stuff, and one of the guys was outside on a ladder. Elderly Ish. I you know that one guy probably should have been the younger guys should've been the one on the ladder, but he had a broken leg. So the gentleman went up and the latter win off the edge and he fell off the ladder. Like couldn't move. At Your House, you saw this, it was awful like scary situation he didn't want to move. So then that's scary because you're not supposed to. Then you here I was thinking I've seen on TV move on don't move on what do you do by the way? So we call. What do you do immediately? Do you run out of there? You know like everyone's there's lots of people in my house and everybody's out. And like my Guess there's multiple people at my house and we're all kind of like scrambling what to do. We decide to call nine online to get paramedics there the paramedics show up everything is like fine but they take his heart rate and they're like, Gosh, his heart rate is so low and he's like I'm not going in though I'm not going in and then he decides to go and then we got an update the next day that he had a pacemaker put in. And that he should have that is something that he would have needed regardless of the fall, but he probably never would have gone to the hospital for. And so they say that the fall is one of those weird things that probably saved his life what having an unstable ladder really say how bladder now your ladder good. It went off the ledge I know I. Thought once he was better. I. Thought that night going get. Like I, don't know the insurance like because we didn't know the full update and then when I got the update that it saved his life, we're doubling not getting sued. So I use the same two guys. Can. Really old. Guys he's like eighty. What is he good? Yeah. Can't hang up my mirror I like what? I tried to care for the elderly comment. Eighty yeah isn't got nets. Yeah Jimmy Johnson had this happen to him. He went on survivor was on survivor and he get hurt or something they went in there like, Oh, you have a hard issue to put a Stan. They found it. He went in. He was going through casting and they found this defect or whatever the so you got to put in. So he wasn't everybody cast, but he came back a couple seasons later. Once he healed from surgery and like screening process a physicality screen you he didn't pass they found an issue and they're like Oh, my God, we put this in your heart but this heart. Wow. So I. Don't know if you remember this part of my Dad's health journey, but we were in California for something got a call that my dad had a stroke I. Don't know if you remember it was like two thousand, sixteen stroke was. Awful but only because he had the stroke, did they find the tumor in his throat because he couldn't move his hand after the stroke. So they wanted to go in his neck and work on a nerve go down to his hand and when they went to scan the neck for the nerve, they found the tumor. And they and they caught it early ish but they said they likely that's something they wouldn't have caught without the stroke and they weren't related. That's crazy. I'm glad that that guy's okay. Yes I'm sure Halley find over your house they got a new phase maker. Mega but let me sit. Really show it. Kanye. The best bits of the week. With Morgan number two. Of course our biggest segment from this show this week is windows Awadhi. Of course, he got married if you haven't seen all over social media, even ray is posting all kinds of things when he never post anything on social media. So Ray I want to know how you're feeling. You are one weekend to married life I. WanNa know how you feel. Honestly I think the easiest thing I can say is that it was so natural we had dated for so long. It was definitely not a shotgun type thing it was well thought out we had time to plan it because of the pandemic there was so much downtime that we really were able to sit down on weekends because there is no temptation to go to the bar so we would. Just say, okay, you want to do some. Thank you cards. All right. So what do I have to do I have to write a card of a special card to my mom and your parents and we did stuff so far ahead of time the thing that did suck is there was cancellation. So sure we wanted a white club vendor there. Sure. There were some extras I want a circus elephant. But that stuff just couldn't happen because it was a pandemic. So we went from one fifty down to thirty, which was the most stressful thing. Telling Coworkers, other people they couldn't come, but we had so much extra time that the average couple didn't have to plan it so I think it couldn't have been more perfect and I don't feel any different I do have a ring on my finger but other than that it was seamless. It's very easy transition if you're thinking about doing it am to. Or good. We'll focus on you now, but you did talk about your wedding ring some this week and obviously people can hear that on the podcast to. Do you find yourself sometimes is looking down like Tang I'm really married. This is official I don't because I'm thirty five maybe a schoolgirl when she's twenty one, she has a feeling but to me it was it was so easy when you just go into something without thinking too much about it and it doesn't feel like you're fighting anything and it's just not a lot of force involved. I'm telling you. It's so smooth and it's so its greatness and that's that's really what it was. We were both me and Laura were both ready to get married. We got married and it feels a lot. The same people are very nice. We got a lot of free stuff and maybe now the conversation happens more are we GONNA start to? Go Go after these twenty three as to start having children as my sister the surrogate move down here maybe those conversations happen. But as of right now, we still like to drink a little bit too much on a night and we're the exact same two people except for her last name is now slater. All, that's exciting and you just to confirm I believe already know the answer to this. But you are Laura neither of you guys on that wedding day ever any point in time got cold feet. Now they got cold fingers cold outside. We stood outside the church for like forty minutes waiting for the bride and arrive at our feet were frozen. So yes, he definitely got cold feet right hold on I want to official word from room. No no cold feet at all and the funny thing is though. So the one hiccup was the shuttle's there's miscommunication. So they were delayed by twenty minutes. So there was that question like if a runaway bride happens WHO INFORMS You is there gonNA be a walkie talkie call does her father come and talk to me I had no idea but we were outside the chapel for not ten minutes not twenty was almost working on half an hour and the people inside the Chapel I. Imagine we're chomping at the bit because all they're doing Blair witch style is facing into a forest. They have no idea what's going on behind him for easily thirty minutes no. Okay well, there is no cold fee. I also have amy and lunchbox and Eddie sitting in here to who are all at the wedding we had to groomsmen and amy was there in attendance. You guys talked about your favorite moments from the wedding but is there anything you didn't get a share that you hope to share on the show this week? About the wedding, I'll go I think anything about my family I I believe it would be funny because I was even getting stuff from my nephew where he was saying, how did the whole show I think I liked Eddie the most I'm because we were in a group of minute wise nice and keep talking. Dude as the as the bachelor's I did a little group tax. Tax. On their because my nephew, the twelve year old was in there and he goes, Hey, I saved Eddie's phone number I. Think I'm GonNa text? Any something? That's a funny story talking to little boomer. His nephew because he is is mom told me which is raised sister. He does he won't tell you this but boomer. So excited to be on a group text, he's like I cannot believe it. I have bones in my phone I have lunchbox Ma phone I have my vote this is crazy to save these numbers side think from here. On Out Ray there's a good game or someone TV I'm going to text them out of the blue see what he says and there was a group to bones we were joking on I go hey guys, I got your ties in your socks just Fyi we're all wearing the same stuff and I bought those for you guys little nice thing I did for everybody and I go. Hey justified the nephew is on the group text and then bones goes, hey, guys I didn't bring any underwear does anybody have any and then my nephew goes yeah, I got some but their kids underwear. Let me tell you I think we might have scarred him for life boomer because we were just harassing him nonstop. We're getting on the shuttle to go to the wedding lunch Eddie you about their wives were being pretty hilarious and so my wife and Eddie's wife or the last people to arrive. So they're getting on the shuttle with the groomsmen and my wife is walking toward the shuttle and I said boomer whatever you do do not hit on my wife. And he was just like I wasn't going to. Serve. So then the rest of the night I kept saying, Hey, man, you want to meet my wife he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no and my wife even wing datum him at one point just a mess with him and he would run the other direction and I feel like he's GonNa be scarred for life. He's Oh. Sorry. But he's at that place right now we're. You know you're kind of maybe like thinking about starting a date girls or whatever and stuff, but he's he's so close and so it was funny that. Lunch said, don't don't you dare look on my wife's then he was terrified and then our other Buddy Eric Dot, my groomsmen he goes hey, man I know you don't WanNa ask for picture but I know you have crush my wife Anna he goes. So if you go get a picture with your, I'll give you five dollars. So my nephew comes mid wedding and he goes, Hey, hey, I got a picture of me and I'm like what the heck you went and took a picture with Eric's wife he goes Eric told me give me five dollars. So he put that picture in his phone and I sure. He's GonNa show all his friends at school array weren't you also trying to get hold The Flower Girl's hand I wanted it with Kennedy I. was. A little bit younger than him but they were both super cute together and I said you've got to dance with her but I don't believe that he ever did but I did try to get them I don't know to talk to each other. I he wouldn't do I told him. He could dance with my wife but don't don't. Know No. Basically, it sounds like raise wedding became a matchmaking session for your listening to. It the beauty of kids is they're the perfect I don't even know what to call it like just the transition from scene to scene because there's no weirdness or awkwardness with a kid because they'd say everything they feel my nephew was non stop talking being personable. Awesome and he single outside of getting married could have been my favorite part of the wedding and I'm so happy I picked him as a groomsman. He was great. I mean just broken it with my guys he snuck in. During the ceremony elderserve. Does he get the MVP groomsmen award it's here. Favorite. groomsmen. Oh my I almost have to because he made stuff so easy. Sometimes stuff's a little difficult with me and my dad talking 'cause my dad's shy but boomer would just mix it up outside of the chapel. All of those guys were kind of just stand in their boomer. His knees were shaking I'm like, Dude, why are you so nervous? You're not getting married and he's like I don't know but I'm nervous. Amy was there anything else in the wedding that you didn't get a chance to talk about I mean I? I was curious to like for us, sitting there I know for Y'all her wondering if she was going to show up like we were sitting there in the. Pews. From like three, forty, five to four thirty. Like just looking around being like. It is happening where where is she like what? What's the deal? So whenever everybody started to show up like that was a good feeling harps were beautiful though there forty five minutes per beautiful. Yes, and it was kind of like do we? We were socially distance the views but everyone's like do we keep going it and the garth garden Tricia kept their mouths on the whole time and we took ours off and they're like, Oh, think. Dealer for sure judging you. Yeah. Do you think that we're getting judge? Garth interest that there for forty five minutes to Oh. Yeah. They were even there before us. So they I think they probably got their own no, no they they sought there for a while. So Amy. They were sitting right behind you guys. Did you turn around at any moment to say hi or did you just kind of like all my gosh? I didn't I didn't if anything you would know it's Tricia because her long blonde hair but she had her mask on. But garth he didn't have his cowboy hat on on a microphone TRICIA had on like a nice. Mask that matched her dress like you can tell the pretty and then garth had on one of disposable medical masks. I was like keeping real. Real but no, I figured that they would want to just they're at a wedding like this is. This is people they care about their they don't. Feel like I mean was forty five minutes. So I thought about it. But I didn't want to make a big deal. Yeah it was kind of I mean right right right I who who can say they had garth brooks and Tricia Earwood at their wedding. That's amazing. You're going to sign up for the rest of your life. It truly is awesome and especially to to my grandma to my aunt the. Ten Times bigger because they don't even live in the city. So they were just blown away by that, and then my father, he talks to maybe less than five people every day of his life for the past twenty years and he's like Oh yeah, I went to Garth I told them. Thanks so much for this. Really appreciate. Thanks for letting US use the property in the chapel. He's got a shot I went right up to him and talked right Dylan. Job. You Talk To. Saying anything. The Whole Day Maybe one word to me, and he's like I rapped out with guards. Did anybody try and take a picture with Garth attrition. I kept telling ray like I was going to do it, but I would not do that on his wedding day. I thought of that I wouldn't do any of your family, right? Honestly, the lighting was real they wanted to candles to stand out. So it wasn't the best lighting for pictures 'cause I almost thought about doing a picture really quick with Laura and I was like you know what the Selfie it's not gonNA turn out but they wanted the lighting to be really dark and because it was later in the day it was overcast and it was cloud I mean the lighting wasn't great for pictures. Well, I mean the lighting great on the livestream either but I thought The livestream mistakes. I WANNA. Tell you guys this here she. Wants to go in on the lies, she wants to make funnier one and. This is funny to me. This is this is really funny. Honestly, we were watching the livestream. We were there to support Ray. We had a little watch party for all of the Second v there and we were so excited to watch and it was like, right Two Times during during this livestream that it's like destroyed up stocks right One was when they start walking down the aisle over like, oh great. We're not going to actually see the light we watch forty five minutes of you all sitting in abuse right. And then. You guys. I now pronounce you in the car. The head. I heard I heard that when the livestream starts the first words that the camera operators say was like Oh crap, I only have two percent of my now. The other part I told Ray because I didn't want to offend whoever was holding the person that was holding the camera who I I guess rated it really no. But he was breathing so. With Darth vader was operating the Bible thing is yeah. I. Can't believe you sat there and the livestream. We were Chinese but there were Five of us on trying to be supportive. If they're watching. Okay Dude I said the same thing props to them. You guys did that like. This is on this question. Did your brother watch the live stream? Wow, definitely not. The funny I, mean he actually texted the next day goes congrats on the wedding I'm like, Bro, you missed it by. Our. largest the livestream of course definitely didn't for sure to. I. Mean unless you all saw a guy named Robert. Slater. Commenting that's my brother. Thirty people there and there's thirty five watching which means about. One hundred and ten people that you disinvited were not watching. One, hundred, fifty, originally invited. Honest there were a lot of them were family and some of them were a little bit older. Maybe they didn't have the ability to do a livestream. We not only were able to have people from work. We had to turn down family members. Laura had aunts and uncles that live two blocks away and couldn't come all because we had keep the numbers. Yeah for covert. Let's be real I mean they didn't miss anything on the livestream. Anyway Our. Picture from and I was like that looks Blair. Never said anything to rain but I posted a picture and he was like, where did you get that beautyrest happened and I was like dollars livestream That was just what it was but. In all seriousness, we are all so thrilled for us. So here is the segment where we talk about Raymundo sweating and everybody's favorite moments number one nice job rambling. A safe. But Fund weddings that was fantastic. Yeah. I. Mean in my dreams I never thought it was going to go that smoothly be as easy as it was an awesome. So many good conversations my family with you guys I mean it's only time I ever that my grandma's GonNa be in the same room with you, Garth Brooks. I mean Tricia Earwood and me am I right That's true I mean special moments like that. Only having one day and I'm glad I took it all in every second I was I was tuned in and it was awesome. We were all standing outside of the small chapel. Waiting on raise now, live bay to come up and he wasn't going to see her. So when she pulled up, he was going to go inside and just let it go by. and. So we're all waiting and four o'clock is when weddings to start. It's four, four, zero, five, four, four, twenty, eddy goes what if she doesn't come It was starting to feel like that a little bit and the whole group of US went. So. She gathered about four thirty we went in. It was awesome. Ray goes down. We're all standing it was. You know when everything is kind of being shut down it was a was a small group but I felt like there was still a lot of fun and love their thought. It was a a really well-balanced group. Yeah I mean we did want to have one fifty all my family more people from work but we had to do the thirty and actually it was a lot easier 'cause you can actually experience everybody. I've talked to people that said Yeah at my wedding I didn't even get to say, hi to everyone which Kinda sucks is your wedding you WanNa say well, thanks for coming. So were there ray desert bows that do the whole the whole? SPIEL. And I keep waiting as Reagan. Cry Because I've twenty bucks in line against amy. Lunchbox it's Eddie and Ray did not cry rate officially. Did you cry I did not cry I did get. In my head a little bit emotional. My Dad gets up there reads the Scripture for whatever reason started crying like dad keep it together. What are you doing? So I'll be in that cash from you guys. Sometime. Soon. You've gotta learn never bet with Bobby. Bobby. Bobby, you know you're going to lose. Why do we do it? I don't know. My favorite moment rain. Every I made cash. Yes. Your favorite moment from Raimondo's wedding. Kosh I'm probably. Performed the song that he row and that was their first stands like this. One from the ceremony would be I thought that their pastor was great and I loved the Rag Doll Story. I've already told it to two people. And then I'm GonNa tell it on my podcast. And then at the at the reception for sure Y'all singing and then Ray and Lord dancing is perfect. So the first dance for Ray in Bay was Eric Dodd with the raging idiots. Seeing the song. Shannon ate the Nashville Son. Wrote the song that Ray Eric Road Ask. Dreaming Bad. Live. Let's celebrate this special day lack Utah Love Birthday. Lives, away ray explained the birthday line. The birthday line as a guy I don't know I've just always been kind of too cool for birthdays and I didn't really like always take him in and I. Guess when she had cancer then she goes man I can't wait for my next birthday I love birth and I'm like you know what? Let's celebrate birthdays. That's awesome. We have another birthday. So that's the new thing. I mean appreciate birthdays in. It's a blessing to live and I mean, we experienced that firsthand life can come real close in a hurry and she's just like man we've got to celebrate every birthday. So through in the song. Eddie and I were up there singing the song and we'd had all those little parts we're going to do doubles, but we were so nervous about messing it up that right I'm. Not Trying to make this, we're just going to try to nail it. With no extra flavor involved. Special to us to be able to do that, we don't want to mess it up Eddie, your favorite mode for the wedding. Well, I had one but I didn't know he was going to mention that garth and Tricia were there. So I'm just going to change my right now Ottawa Automobile Garth. Leading it was pretty? Awesome? Nice because I don't think Kaylin had met Garth ever and so on and I were standing there talking to garth. Trish afterward and I know him a little bit and. Kale's like from Oklahoma where because I'm from Fort Gibson. Heck I used to swim over there as a kid. Over and they had this all talk about Oklahoma and Fort. Gibson. Period. If you didn't know they were international extremely successful superstars, they would just be folks or at the wedding, right? And what a great way to talk about somebody like they're. Amazingly talented, and we're huge fans of them, but it's also cool in their around because they're so nice and you wouldn't think they are at the status they are. So that's cool lunchbox. Thought, the whole wedding was great. But my favorite part was I was talking to raise grandma and his mom at the reception. We were just talking about Ray in their listen race full of crap anything out of his mouth is just you don't believe anything. You can never get a straight answer out of Ray and I didn't and his mom didn't appreciate the song right shows for the first dance with her because she goes I didn't want sappy I wanted fun and he tried to make me cry you dance to Garth Brooks Mom. This is just the actual song. Don't you cry but I thought it was great. It was. To me a lot to dance with my mom to that song even though she didn't want it. She said she was gonna cry but sorry mom I wanted this long because there's a special song and special moment. Sweet while he was dancing with her, did you see he was patting her back the whole? Time, you were. It was urban baby almost. What. It looked like she raised me and then in that moment it was like you know like I'm a man now and I'm like, thank you mom raising it was that's it at this moment now officially man, that's what she said. She said break Western air mom this takes me back when I was a kid you raise me right. Thank you so much and she was just like Ray stop it. Ray Stop it Ray stop it. Your Dad is so tall talk your mom is really short. Do your twin brother is very tall correct you are very short, very short. And, I was finally able to see when you were dancing with your mom old. That's where it Kinda comes from. Yeah and I believe it's the mom determines the height of kids. So I would have been like six six if it was if it went by DAD's Yeah Your Correct. I don't know it's weird. But I really I strongly believe if a person's Mama's told, they'll be tall. You guys were debating on what to wear because we all have. We had it easy. We had blue. I knew what I was. GonNa Wear Ben I assumed my husband would wear a suit because we're going to a wedding and then he's like no no. It's no. We're going to chapel on some land like I'm wearing boots and nice jeans and blazer like a sports coat. And I so adamant that he cannot do that. It needs to wear a suit. It's like causing tension between us and I'm like find just wear whatever you want. So he puts on his Lucchessi, boots is nice jeans and a Scout, and then we get there and pretty sure my husband said that garth is jeans. So come on. War Suit No. He wore jeans and boo. Yes. Because I wasn't going to continue arguing with him about it, and then I got put in my place when we show up in like goat is they are wearing. Jeans and boots. So I thought I just kind of hung my head and I was like your your boots look Nice was that's proof because bones and even noticed who's wearing jeans. No, it must have been really dark jeans. Are Nicer. The more formal jeans they are he fit the formal whatever Canadian Tuxedo look but I was not feeling it when we left the house, but suddenly I was fighting with it. What was your favorite moment? Definitely they've rigged it when my grand they did the flower to us and my grandma was in the very front. She's ninety years old and they threw right to and she caught it and she's like so she was the next one to get married is what that means and she's like, I'm not getting married again though okay grandma that's okay. Just catch the flowers. Well. It was a lot of fun. It lies good it. The reception was all spread out and I just thought you guys put a lot of effort in keeping it safe and also you know making it a real memorable experience for all involved, and then it seemed like the next day I was watching your instagram sound like you're drunk all day. Yeah. Ended up partying pretty hard with billion I'm still hung. Last night. Caitlin takes her phone and she goes I'm looking at Raimondo story and he's going. It's the first day in seven years. I haven't done show prep a America forgive me. She's like what this even mean and I was like I assume he went so hard. He wasn't gonNA I said I don't care if this wedding I thought maybe you said Hey it's your wedding like don't worry about. No. Gift. You know those are taking. Here's your gift. Don't don't worry about it retro retro. Drove out loud at that because he's he was apologizing to well, Israel is a fantastic wedding over to the bobby bones a website bobby bones dot com, and you can see some pictures from the wedding. It's the best bits of the week. With Morgan number two. Thank you guys for tuning and enlisting I. Hope you enjoy this fun behind the scenes especially getting to hear some more stories from does wedding. So make sure to visit bobby bones, dot com for all the blogs videos from this week. There's even more that we didn't talk about also check out our social media at bobby bones show it can be really fun and positive I promise the more nice people we have on there the better. So come hang out with me every time I do this otherwise hit us up on social. You know.

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Answering Your Questions (The 5th Thing) (6-25-19)

4 Things with Amy Brown

20:46 min | 1 year ago

Answering Your Questions (The 5th Thing) (6-25-19)

"As a parent. There's one thing I definitely don't have to worry about in. It's our car's tires will Michelin supports testing worn tire stopping performance when Warne Michelin premier all season tires come to a complete stop. Some other Amorn tires are still traveling over fifteen miles per hour with Michelin's premier all season tires parents have one less thing to worry about knowing that their tires are designed to deliver reliable wet, traction, even in a worn state, consider Michelin premier all season tires Michelin performance, every time k it's time for the fifth thing, every Tuesday, we do a little QNA here. Answer a couple of questions that were sent in. I don't know if you guys sometimes are listening to the podcast. And you think of the questions like when you're listening to the fore, things that comes out on Thursdays, or if these are just random questions out of the blue, but try to address them as best as I can, if I don't know, the answer, a reach out to people. So this is the thing we'll get into the questions real quick. But before we do I just want to say that I am so late to the, the dipping your nails party, you know, I've gotten gel before. But I got dip and I'm obsessed and I know it's not good for you. And I struggle with that, and I went to the store, and I bought natural nail polish and I tried to use that and do my nails myself. But every once in a while I just need like a manicure that's going to last for three to four weeks, and I don't have to think about it, and that's what's been happening with me in this dip and I love it. But the minute I have to go there and stick my hand in acetone and for like ten minutes to get it off. I'm going to be like why did I do this? This is so bad. But if you haven't ever tried it, and maybe you're going on vacation, and you need a reason have amazing nails. Oh, I highly recommend it. It's going to be addicted, and I did one coat funny bunny one coat. Bubble bath, which is something I've done before with gel. And I've even done before at home, because I have the opioid nail polish both of those colors, but you can do you can do it in dip and it looks really good. I gotta say, I'm like looking at them right now. All I'm talking to you. And I'm like, Yep. Nailed it. So let's get into the questions. First one is from Danny. Hey, Amy absolutely loving. The podcast learning so much recently bought my own four things tote, and I'm obsessed, However I accidentally got some stains on it already. I know it says you can't throw them in the washer. So is wondering if you have any tricks or products used to spot clean, the tote, so Danny. Yeah. We learned a win. I, I got my I took that Mary gave me. I got it dirty and I watched it, and it shrunk like crazy. And that's when we learned you can't wash the totes and we feel really bad about that, because obviously, it would be awesome to be able to, to deliver a product y'all that was washable. But these are custom made really good quality totes made here in the US. And when you think about any other really nice like tote bags you may not necessarily be able to throw those in the wash either. So we're like, hopefully we're not the only people that have a product because trust me, we wish it was washable. So for that I will say, sometimes people right, when they get the tote they scotchgard it right away. So there's, there's an option for you, but my friend CARA got some stuff on hers, and she used the full lex instant carpet spot remover, instead, it, worked really well. F. O. L E X. You can pick it up for cheap online Home Depot, WalMart, etc. You just spray it onto the stain in with your fingers bled off the excess after about twenty seconds and let it air dry. And you just use it the same way you would on the carpet, just use it on the tote, and it works wonders in the maybe you've got some carpet stains around the house, you hit up those as well. I like my tote looking a little bit worn. When I get a brand new one because I get new ones often can't help myself, but when it's really knew I'm like, oh, this looks weird. I like mine looking really worn in so just know that they're they can withhold a lot, my friend Aaron might well my trainer that comes on the podcast from time to time Aaron Oprah. She uses hers as her workout bad going from client to client, and she keeps tons of stuff in there and hers is so dirty, and she loves it dirty, and she, she was like dumbbells in their heavy ones, and it does not fall apart. So we're definitely proud of how well it's held together, and we went and bought one of the knockoff totes at a store won't say where, but we bought one and hit so cheaply made and it's not made in the US, and it's just such a bummer. It's such a bummer. We still don't even know exactly how we're gonna handle the situation because again, they're not calling it a four things, tote. So we can't which is trademark. So we can't go after them that way, which we don't really want to go after anybody. But it's just customer confusion. I mean so many of y'all are sending a screen shots when you're seeing these off totes that it's like it's just we don't want to confuse y'all to where you think maybe we partnered with somebody or maybe when you buy it, you're a Haiti donation is happening with it, when it's not. So before we get off this, tote or my tote soapbox after. Cering. Danny's question, I just want to say that the patriotic four things tote is officially out in its supporting American military. The shot Ford has a military fund. So it just goes to different groups that we've worked with, like, we don't have anything specific yet, full transparency, but just know it will support someone, and, or some people and way, shape or form that serve our country. We have quality groups that we worked with in the past, so we just haven't liked pinpointed it yet. But we wanted to go that direction. This is the first time a four things item. Hasn't supported Haiti. We were doing dogs, then it just made more sense to shift to military. I know Mary and I try to really be thoughtful about where the funds go. And sometimes it makes sense to go under action. And then we have to call an audible and do a one eighty and go another direction because that is what we genuinely feel like is best for the products of just, you know that, but I think the four things paid. Cryonic coats are so cute. They say star stripe America Stars, Stripes freedom, and then America, and it's like blue own Bray, and then to read, and I love it. So definitely. Check it out. Ooh. An this is fun. You can now go to four things dot com. Just four things dot com, all things that are related to our four things products. We'll be there. So boom next question is from Maitland. Hey, Amy will what do you do for bloating? I know you pay attention to your body and how it responds to different foods and whatnot. And I try so hard to do that, too. But what do you do when you have a cheat day or just start to bloat, and you have no clue where it came from hope, to hear you address this on your podcast soon. Well, here we go we're going to talk about it. So some quick fixes that I do. When I feel blow coming on, like, if I can go for a walk, I do it if I can bust out some yoga poses that are good for bloating idea it. There's awesome ones on YouTube this girl. Sarah Beth has one you can look it up. It has like one point four million views. So pretty sure a lot of people trust it, it's literally called yoga for bloating by Sarabeth. So if you just go to YouTube and type that in, you'll find it and it's I think it's like a little over ten minutes. It's like ten to thirteen minutes or so of different poses. They're going to help with bloating, digestion, also peppermint oil is really good. It works by relaxing, the intestinal muscles, which allows gas and maybe even stole to move along more effectively, which we all went that. I would say, I try to sit in my infrared sauna, which is something I talked about in the four things podcast last week. If you don't have that a hot warm bath will do, which is also really relaxing. I recommend drinking hot lemon water. Maybe with some fresh ginger sliced up in there and get it drink. It make sure you're drinking hot or warm and the lemon and the ginger and the hot water will all help. I think this is just now there's something I'm just pulling out of nowhere. I didn't have it in my little notes. But try to keep all your water. Her room temperature when you're feeling bloated, don't put ice into the mix. I can't remember exactly why. But somewhere in the back of my brain. I I'm like slick coming back from way back, something that I read someone said, that was if you're having issues with bloating, digestion, to lip to, to take away the ice. So some long term fixes, when it comes to bloating. Make sure you're drinking plenty of water every day, and I personally hydrate between meals. So at least thirty minutes before, and then after I've eaten I weighed like forty five minutes to drink large amounts of liquid. I don't really drink water with my meal, because I feel like that adds to it. That's a tip that I learned from Kimberly. Snyder, Mike, you just create this lake in your stomach, for food to sit there and try to digest in, and it just messes up the whole digestion process. And then you end up bloated. So definitely try to hydrate between meals. So speaking of drinking, if you're someone that's affected by carbonated drinks. You may want to cut those out or at least cut back carbonated. Drinks. They are a culprit when it comes to bloating. This includes beer, champagne tonic water anything with carbonation at it, and I am so addicted to Zevia right now. Like, I hope it's not bloating me, but I try not to chug it. I have about one day, sometimes I'll even open one take a few sips put it back in the fridge, and then later in the day, sip some more repeat that process. So maybe that's why it hasn't caused me to bloat. But I do know that carbonation does happen to do that. So if you have an issue, but you're not ready to give up your carbonated drink. Then maybe take different times of the day to sip on it, and don't chug a whole can at once tracking what you eat. And how you feel after you eat can help with bloating, like if you want to maybe even look into doing a food intolerance test like Erin. She Aaron Oprah she if she has onions, because she is really sensitive to onions, food intolerance, wise. She bloats big time, so she knows not to have onions. So you may want to look into one of those tests, but that's a whole nother conversation for another time. Maybe I can do a thing about it in the Thursday podcast one day coming up. But maybe I could bring an expert to talk about that avoid excess salt is another tip. You know that that will lead to bloating. Don't eat too much at a time and try to eat slow because the faster you eat, you may overeat and then get that bloated feeling which I'm so guilty of that avoid chewing gum. That's another long term thing because the sugar alcohols and gum can cause bloating, and some people, plus you swallow air while chewing which can lead to well, bloating, you can try to add in more fiber gradually to your diet. If you're someone that doesn't get a lot because that'll keep you more regular if you know what I mean. And if you're not used to it, I wouldn't like boom, just start, adding all the fiber, but just grabbed gradually start making sure that you're looking for foods that are higher in fiber. I'm you can take probiotics everyday for another long-term fix with bloating, for optimal gut health. I personally take Kimberly. Snyder's feel good SPO probiotics. I added them to my Amazon favorites page under health, and fitness, which you can find that radio Amy dot com. And then before meals you may want to consider taking a digestive enzyme, which I personally take also Kimberly Snyder's brand. She makes good one. So that's also up on my Amazon page. If you wanna check it out. So there you go. Some quick fixes for bloating, and long-term fixes. I hope that, that helps you Maitland. Thank you for the question. Hey, I'm Andy, if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous, but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's. 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Next question is from Jessica, hey, even listening to your podcast since the beginning, I've been incorporating, a lot of your health tips, in my life of you months ago purchased the top of the vital proteins collagen. Peptides peptides, excuse me. And I'm loving the results that I've seen from that. I'm a coffee addict. So I put it in my milk before froth it for my coffee. However, I found it difficult if not impossible to get the powder to dissolve without creating nasty clumps, I was wondering if you have experienced this issue if you had suggestions. So Jessica, I would say, put it in your coffee. It'll dissolve way easier, like don't put it in your milk. I guess the milk is being heated when it's froth maybe I'm not really sure I'm not that fancy, when it comes to my coffee, but I put it if I do it in coffee, or tea, or anything like that. It's hot if I'm doing it in cold milk before I make my is much a lot day. I'm blending everything up in the blender. So it all gets nice and blended. So. So I would say if you added something hot you should be good to go. If you're adding something cold, find a way to blend it or shake it really well, and that should totally help your issue. But oh proteins is another thing you can find on Amazon page. If you're curious about what that is next question is from Jamie morning. Amy lemme say I've been so inspired by listening to your podcasts so much that I constantly find myself, telling people about it which, I really appreciate Jamie. Thank you. I've literally never listened to a podcast, but now I have an hour commute to and from work. So I figured what the heck now hooked you mentioned briefly that you avoid soy, some curious to why I'm avoiding dairy, but haven't acquired a taste for almond milk. So, yes, a long time ago, I heard like a lot of crazy scary studies that said that eating soy could mess with your hormones, and your thyroid, and even cause cancer. So obviously started cutting it out of my diet, like a SAP, and I noticed that I felt better because I was drinking soy latte as every day at the time. So it was something that I noticed right away. Felt better. And so I was like, well, I don't know if this is really gonna legit cause cancer, but I am feeling better not having it. That was years ago, and studies are less scary. Now about soy some people that used to avoid it like the plague now, say that it's okay to consume but they advised to make sure that it's organic. And when I was drinking soy milk, I was not making sure that it was organic. So if you're gonna have soy pick, minimally processed forms of it. If you're going to do the milk do organic, if you're eating food think like Tempe. Tofu organic tofu me. So at a mommy. And then while we're on the subject of soy, I totally avoid soy sauce. I know that that's not what we're talking about here. But it has Sawyer in it. So there is so much sodium in there like so much, and my alternative for that is coconut amino 's, those are so yummy. It's like way way way less sodium than soy sauce. And I feel like it tastes way better than soy sauce, anyway, next. Question is from Mary, Kay Amy, thank you so much for sharing the vinegar trick for the dishwasher and the washing machine. I've heard so many people say they use vinegar for a lot of things around the house. But I was wondering if you knew of any other life hacks with vinegar in Mary. It's funny that you sent this Email because I was actually getting emails from other listeners telling me their tips. So I'm going to share those with everyone, this Email is from Lisa. Hey, Amy listening to your most. Recent four things podcast, you talked about cleaning with vinegar, so I wanna share how I use it. I use vinegar to clean my strawberries whenever I get home. I soak them in a mixture of vinegar, and water this will kill any mold spores in any bad spots will soften up so that you can see them and cut them off. Also whenever I buy apples, I cut them up and soak the slices in salt water mixture, this keeps them from Browning, and I can keep them in temp where container in my fridge for up to a week, they'd probably last longer, but they usually get eaten by, then I thought this would be a neat thing to share with you and your listeners with any other tip. Tips that you might have to keep produce fresh so that you're not wasting money by throwing it in the trash. So thank you. Lisa, for that tip for me and other listeners. This is another Email from Tricia with a tip. She's talked about cleaning her kitchen drain. She said, hey, have you ever clean your kitchen drains, with baking powder and vinegar, I pour the baking powder in the drain, and then I dump vinegar on top of it. It bubbles up. I let it sit there for five minutes. Then I rinse it down with hot water it cleans it, so well and takes the smell away. So thank you Tricia for that vinegar hack. And then a few other ones that I know of, like, if you're looking to kill weeds, you can use a spray bottle with vinegar on your walkways know in your walkway when you have random weeds, pop up. It's just so knowing you can use it to repel ants. So if any answer finding their way in your home spray vinegar around the outside door frame, and windows. Same goes for fleas. Also, you can unclogged drains you flush hot water, and then funnel about half a Cup of baking soda followed by one Cup of vinegar. And boom, you save money on a plumber. And if we learned anything from Tristesse Email, then the vinegar and baking soda is also cleaning, our drain as well. So there you go. That's some other ways to use vinegar, so that's going to wrap up today's QNA segment hope it was helpful for you guys. And I really appreciate when you Email me your questions. Keep them coming four things with Amy Brown at g mail dot com and I'll see all on Thursday with my super exciting fund interview with Cory Robertson. You know, the mom from duck dynasty, can, I even talk, I can't talk Cory Robertson, the mom from duck dynasty. She is going to be on with me for all four things. It's the first time I've ever done an interview with someone where they are on all four things. I've already done the interview. So I know exactly what we're talking about. The first thing we discuss well in the intro, I have her settle the French fry debate a big fight. My husband and I got into and I was like, what would Corey in Willie? Do. Like, what would the Robertson's due to handle the situation? Then in the first thing we that's in the Andro. Then the first thing we talk about is strong and kind, which are the core values for her family and her kids and why she chose that and why they're important, and she has a book about it, which is awesome, too. And I think we all can learn from trying to be strong and kind and raise a generation of strong and kind people around us then the second thing that we talked about with gratitude and things that she's thankful for and sticking with the theme. We broke down four different things that she's thankful for which is really awesome to kind of see a little look into her life. And then third thing was how to throw a good party because she likes to throw parties. And she had some unique ideas, and just as to, like, not stress out about it and just make it fun and make memories for your guests, like I'm definitely going to be using some of the tips that she shared and the fourth thing we talked about was mission work abroad and just locally right in your neighborhood. Like you don't have to go far. To love your neighbor, and I loved some of her insight on that as well. 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#677 Buried Treasures & Dad Rap

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#677 Buried Treasures & Dad Rap

"Sound opinions is supported by goose island brewing. Good beer for good people since nineteen Eighty-eight, not just beer people. But everyone beer that can be enjoyed at the dinner table on the patio at the music festival, goose island beer company. Chicago, Illinois, this podcast is supported by pocket. Casts. As a passionate podcast listener you deserve. The best listening experience pocket cast is critically acclaimed beautifully designed and easy to use take control of your listening. Download the podcast app today. More information at pocket casts dot com. Listen, john. It'll start time. Are you ready for star? From WBZ, Chicago and PR X. This is sound opinions. I'm Greg Kat. And I'm Jim dear goddess this week were digging nor stacks music to share some of our favorite new discoveries. What you might know about the idea of dad rock, but what about dad wrap the idea that hip hop is exclusively for young people. It's we overdo that we the bunk that. That's all coming up on sound opinions. You're listening to sound opinions. And later in the show, we'll talk with music journalist Steven Hyden about the idea of dad rap. Greg people may know, the term dad rockets, you know, when the poor kid is in the back seat listening, your your father jam out REO speedwagon, right? But you know, what is dead rap hip-hop has now been around for four decades. There obviously is old school dad rap as well. I though it's time for another round of buried treasures. These are records that have been percolating under the radar for most people. We found them we discovered them we're digging them, and we want to share them with the listeners you are up. I thank you. Jim. I want to focus on a band out of England young fathers. They're pretty well known over there. I don't think they have nearly the audience in America that they deserve in two thousand fourteen they went a mercury prize for their debut album dead, which is a kind of the cool version of the Grammy awards out in. In the UK from Scotland but mixed heritage one of the one of the musicians in the band there. It's a trio was born in Liberia. And then moved to Scotland is a child another one is of Nigerian parents and a third member was born and raised in N Burg. So they they have sort of mixed heritage there that is reflected in the kind of music, they make they followed up that mercury prize with some contributions to massive attacks two thousand sixteen EP ritual spirit, which I think gives you some some connective ideas about where their music is heading that sort of a collectivism that massive attack brings to its music is is being updated for the now by the young fathers, their third album cocoa sugar came out earlier this year in any it. It is their best in my opinion. I think they're they have taken some of these gather shot ideas, they have bringing elements of hip, hop, electronic music soul gospel rock together into more. Or of focused songs still giving. Their unique imprint on them but much more song oriented than their previous releases than I think for that reason their best here's a track from that new record in my view from young fathers unsound opinions. The dan. Five. No way. You must be. I wanna be. I'm just. Say. Say you won't never said it was a Saint Thomas. I cannot get again. Bag checks, greedy. Welcome. That is in my view from young fathers on sound opinions, Jim sometimes when I listen to this ban. I get some TV on the radio vibes. Which in my world are very good. Yeah. Yeah. I like the way that they bring in you know, kind of an idiom electro pop influence into the afrobeat thing. It's it. It is good stuff, Greg. As is my first buried, treasure sunshine, and the rain they have a second album just came out cold beneath the stars, but along and historical pedigree. At least in my old stomping grounds of Jersey City and Hoboken, just Mauri? Is a kid who went to Saint Peter's prep in Jersey City was the rival school to my old high school. He was in Reiko. Listen, a well respected kind of poppy punk band out there in jersey, and then became a member of the psychedelic pop band, the black hollies this is his third act now and it features Justin Maury with his wife. Ashley is on. Vocals and bass Justin's on guitar sunshine in the rain is kind of doing this a mix of classic sixties girl group pop hooks a little bit of psychedelia some garage. You wanna talk about jersey royalty? This couple got married in the back room of Maxwell's, the legendary New Jersey Hoboken rock club. And the music is great. You can see why they are much beloved out east. This is a song from that new second album the beneath the stars, the tune is called it's all in your mind by sunshine in the rain on sound Indians. Just. Yes, you. Journey. Two. She's. Back in. Now this. That's your only. Gotcha. Bye. To start a family. Fans. You. Surges? It's all in your mind by sunshine and the rain the husband wife team of Justin and Ashley Maury. Thanks to Jim Testa, the jersey critics for turning me on to them a Greg. What is your next buried treasure? Well, Jim before I get to that. I wanna comment, you know, you mentioned Maxwell's, and I go this doesn't sound like the kind of song that you would hear in Maxwell's. This is this belongs in an arena in jersey, you know, one of those big anthem songs. It's not Bon Jovi. No. But it's got it's got those giant hooks in it. It's an inveterate does pop song. And and that recommends it to me I wanna dial it down a little bit. In terms of just the the the the arena level and bring it down to sort of a bedroom level with the Tom Verlaine this singer songwriter from Louisville, Sarah, Beth Tomlin grew up in a very strict Baptist. Household went to a private Christian college when she was sixteen and then, you know, had some real questions. About her faith, and and turn to music, and you can hear her trying to resolve some of these questions in her mind, she's making this record this very dark record got echoes of of some disquieting themes, where she's questioning her faith questioning everything about the planet, and at the same time, you're there are echoes of those hymns that she must have sang in church in in in her music. Making the song I'm gonna play from her debut album at weddings is called self help. And I like this on because it's sort of blends those quiet moments was really disquieting interruption. So that abrasiveness mixed with the kind of low Kemalism really hooks you in and kind of gives you a sense of the of the tension. That's going on in her own mind about resolving some of these issues self help from Tom Verlaine unsound opinions. That was Tom Verlaine with self-help on sound opinions. I dig that Greg. I hear a little shoe gays in definitely I'm going to see your shoe, gaze more shoe gays. There's Bank called light foils that has been kicking around in the Chicago underground since two thousand and ten they have a new Al mount called chambers. I think as with Tom Verlaine, the front woman of light foils, Jane, Zab Nicholson is is kind of building on what lush did in the early nineties in terms of really beautiful vocals and reverb more reverb that you're going to get anywhere of late that I've heard you know, that classic shoe gay sound that's term we kick around. It's essentially psychedelic pop the big revival in the nineties. Brought it back in in a large way. But it never really went away. This kind of well-crafted pop with. The beatles. Revolver psychedelic production aesthetic, I fell in love with his right away. This time is up by light foils on sound opinions. Light foils. This time is up great shoe gaze from Chicago, Greg we like to share the buried treasure wealth and this week we've invited Kristen Curtis who's a host on the morning show at X P N in Philadelphia. She's going to share a couple of her own buried treasures, welcome to the show. Kristen thank you so much for having the I'm honored and really excited to be here. Oh, it's our privilege, and we appreciate ex-pm support. So give us your first buried treasure. All right. I'd like to talk about someone from Philadelphia. I his name is Ali Awan. He's twenty six years old has spent the second half of his life playing guitar writing songs. He was born just north of the city was influenced by the black angels. The creation gram Parsons Rolling Stones and really jangle pop rock us. We've got just a few songs outright now. But another ten to twelve ready to go, and we'll be releasing an EP or an album soon. But I brought you a song called citadel. Oh blues. Most. Yeah. It's really interesting stuff. I'm surprised to hear your your your list of his influences there 'cause I'm also hearing a little bit of back. Yeah. That weird guitar solo. It's for Rochas. It's reminded me a lot of loser in particular. Yes. A little bit of weird hip hop. And then also, you're right. This jangle pop thing going little psychedelic Qatar. That was really fascinating to me. And I really liked the layering of the electric and acoustic guitars and the the beeps in the bells in all layers really nicely is he is he drawing in in Phillies play out in phil-. Oh, yeah. He he feels he's on bills with other Philadelphia artists that also do draws and he's really developing a name for himself around. Here is very promising talent. I'm really excited to see what happens with him. If you've got a very treasure we need to hear call and leave a message on our hotline eight five nine eighteen hundred or contact us on Facebook or Twitter after a break, Greg, and I will share more under the radar albums. Plus Kristen Curtis from WSB and has another pick as well. That's in a minute on sound opinions from WBZ, Chicago and PR. Bye. Bye. Sound opinions is supported by goose island in nineteen Eighty-eight. Chicago had no tap room's brewpubs or any craft breweries a man named John Hall. Saw this and opened a small group in Chicago with the idea of putting good beer into the hands of good people and goose island has been thinking big about beer ever since from being at the forefront of sustainable Brune practices to aging beer in bourbon barrels and supporting programs like sound opinions. Goose island has and always will be thinking big about beer, goose island beer company. Chicago Illinois sound opinions supported by u-turn audio makers of the orbit turntable. U-turn was founded to make great vinyl listening easier and more affordable. They build all of their turntables by hand in Boston, Massachusetts. So each one is fully, customizable with hundreds of configurations available plus the ridiculously simple to use and come with a two year warranty for free US shipping on any order at u-turn audio dot com. Use the code opinions that code. Is opinions for free US shipping at u-turn audio dot com. Welcome back to sound opinions. I'm Greg caught with Jim near got us. And we're going through some of our recent favourite records that haven't gotten as much attention as we think they should today were joined by Kristen Curtis, a host on the X P N morning show in Philly, a great station and great host. I might add. She gave us an album before the break. And now she's back with another artist. Kristen what is your final buried treasures pick for us. Thank you so much. And so this is a woman who is based in London right now and has half to leeann her name is Gabby garbage, and she performs with a six piece band called the illuminations one of whom is Sean Reid of Dexia midnight runners, and he is her main collaborator. So the two of them have collaborate on this song together to called lady matadors. Kristen you think I'm wrong to hear a little bit of lily Allen, certainly arc is there meets Courtney Barnett because the kind of all crunch ferocity is there. That's so funny. I was hearing things like madness and like decks midnight runners and a lot of you know, eighties that second wave of sky, and I do hear some punk in there. So it's interesting that you had mentioned some people who are doing that in their own worlds that are modern right now like lily Allen, Courtney Burnett. I'd have to agree. Now. The mentioned it. I have not heard the word words Dexia midnight runner. Pastor the lips of anyone in in decades. Exactly where where where have they been in? What are they doing? You have any idea. Kristen or what what's them? He's been working on records and producing things for people in addition to still doing some of his own music, but he seems to be pretty heavily involved with Gabby garbage and the eliminations now I mean, he is part of their band. I know for the last year or so he has been collaborating on her with a lot of songs, and they're I'm surprised they don't have an album out already. I know it's been a little over a year. They've been working on it. So I know that's what he's been doing recently. Yeah, there's just so singles on Spotify. But it's it's great stuff at I imagine you haven't gotten to see her live, right? No, not yet. She hasn't come to the states since I found out about her. But I'm hoping that she comes soon. Well, I'm really glad you put her on my radar. I like that record a lot. We have been talking to Kristen Curtis of ex-pm in Philadelphia to excellent berry treasures, Chris. Thanks for coming on. I'm so glad that you enjoyed them. Thank you so much for having me guys. I really appreciate it. Greg. You've got. One more very treasure for right? I do Jim. A band called zeal and ardour with L called stranger fruit. No, neither the dick amid. My name and soft and stone. This is a Swiss American about metal band and. You know, I have been following band for a while trying to make sense of what they're trying to do. I think they finally nailed a more coherent approach to their music with the stranger fruit. Record people have described them as black metal meets black spirituals. Which sounds to me like, wow, that's a terrible idea. You know? How's that gonna work? What's that gonna sound like zeal and ardour made waves in the in the middle seen a couple years ago with the that unusual blend, and there was a lot of controversy about this man winner they were really trying to get across. Well, the bandleader he was born in Switzerland to an African American mother and a Swiss father in nineteen eighty nine. So a lot of that knowledge of black spirituals comes from his mother's side of the family. He was listening to this music as a kid. He learned piano at a very young age. He played in a black metal band. He also played in a chamber pomp, and this kid is not afraid to mix up genres this ban. Posits the notion. Well, if you believe in God, which you know, the black spirituals are were built on that foundation. You also know there's a devil to contend with and the double plays a role in zeal and ardour songs, and you can hear it in row row from the stranger food album on sound. Oh. Jeff. That is rope from zeal and ardour with new album, stranger, fruit and sound opinion. I never thought I was going to hear field hollers going into death metal or man. But you're right. Somehow those guys make it worth. And it sounds organic my final buried treasure is not organic. In fact, it's the exact opposite game genie. Sokoll of is the stage name for an artist. Jeffrey larue. He is a chip tune artists. I bet you don't know what ship doing is. I don't I went down a rabbit hole with this. And there is an entire genre here based on the synthesized electron expounds of old arcade machine games. Computers and video game. Consoles Jeffrey liberal game genie Sokolow of in particular is fascinated with his ancient now. Ancient sega? Genesis console. Right. And he claims and all the chip tune artists claim that these early synthesize sounds were, you know. You know on these games as primitive as they wear have this certain charm to them that the newer games. Don't have. I I think it's the same way. The earlier generation of synthesis would champion analog machines over digital all of that is not necessary to appreciating this really cool, chilling dreamy ambient electron EQ music that game genie. Sokolow of is making here is what I'm talking about. This a track called at groom on sound opinions. Game genie Sokolow of the track is a groom. He is a person of many talents. Greg address Queen a gamer spelled G A Y M E R software developer a radio host. And obviously electron musical there. You're there you go. I am any pastel colored dream as we speak. Jim listen, give that music that is a soundtrack for my dream. I you know, I used to have a little pocket tetris game Delic making music with that's going to wrap up. Our addition of buried treasures, but if you've got an album that it's flying under the radar that everyone should here. Let us know give us a call at eight five nine eighteen hundred or connect with us on Facebook or Twitter coming up we're gonna talk dead rock and dad rap and why Jay z and the Rolling Stones have more in common than you may think that's in a minute unsound opinions from WBZ, Chicago NPR. Sound opinions is supported by E L S studio. Three d premium audio available in the all new twenty nineteen accurate RDX surrounded by sixteen. Speakers and seven hundred ten watts E L S studio three d let's take studio quality sound on the road developed with eight time Grammy award winning recording engineer, Elliot Scheiner. It's a whole new dimension. In sound that lets you hear the music the way it was originally intended to be heard precision crafted audio performance exclusively from Acura. Welcome back to pinions. I'm Jim dear goddess, I am here with my partner, Greg Kat, and our guest Steven Hyden is one of the foremost experts on John Rao that was created initially as a put-down dad rock. You know, this is what you said this is. So uncool your dad listens to it. It's like dad jokes dad rock he even wrote a book, Stephen on the topic twilight of the gods a journey to the end of classic rock. Now, he says dad rock has evolved from an insult into a term of endearment and this summer he took his commitment. A step further claiming a certain slice of hip hop now qualifies as dad wrap. Yeah. You wrote an interesting piece about it in the website Uproxx where he basically said we need a conversion guide from dad rock today. Rap and draw parallels between artists like Jay z and the Rolling Stones outcast in the Beatles. We'll get to more of those comparisons. But first we had desks Stephen to further define what dad rock is. There's no clear narrative on how who exactly invented this. But as far as I can tell derived as many memorable insults music criticism do from the mid nineties British music press. Leg and the legend is that. There was a photo of Noah Gallagher from oasis Paul McCartney and Paul Weller of the jam in the studio together and some snooky British writer referred to them as bedrock ours. And the idea at the time was to talk about bands like oasis that were very enamored with the sixties. You know, sounding like the sixties even dressing like they were from the sixties, and it was intended as criticism, you know, that they were conservative that they were backward-looking as far as the term being used in America the review that gets the most credit for that is review of sky blue sky, the Wilco record that ran on the site pitchfork in two thousand seven. Written by my good friend. Rob mitchum got infamous shout out and gain. He was using it to describe that record which he felt was after the experimentation of the early two thousands Wilco records. He felt that that record was maybe a regression to Qatar solos and sort of a late rock seventy sound. And it's interesting because I feel like over the years it's gone from being this again, this sort of epithet that's thrown at traditional sounding rock bands to almost being a term of endearment now comfort food Benz now, they don't necessarily run away from that term as much, but I bet that many fans of of dad rock if we're to say like, you know, Neil young and Wilco and Rolling Stones and such. Right. Would you know what dad rap what are you talking about? Right. And you know, always the short term memory this Jonah is forty plus years old. Yeah. I mean, I think what. What we're seeing right now. The idea that hip hop is exclusively for young people. It's way overdue that we the bunk that I mean, I'm forty years old. I grew up in a World War. Hip. Hop was pop music, you know, by the early nineties. This was not music on the fringes anymore. It was on MTV. It was dominant on the radio. So even people who are like in middle age. Now, you'll grew up listening to this music, and you're starting to see also the old school brab radio stations. Now like dad being a format analogous to the classic rock radio format. Classic. Fuji's? Seeing that more in larger cities, you know, the idea that only old people into rock, obviously, as we go on and on, you know, I think rat will take the place of that more and more. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a sort of an underlying point of your piece is that who are the classic rock bands of today that are going to be remembered the way zeppelin, or, you know, the who or you know, whatever the stones were remembered from the sixties and seventies. I mean, you know, cage the elephant I don't think is going to have the same stature twenty years from now that stones do with their generation of listeners. Maybe I'm wrong about that. But you're right. When you talk about dad rock you really talking about abandoned stop innovating. And when we talk about dad wrap are we sort of burying these guys saying, okay, basically can play the greatest hits tour, but can they deliver any music anybody's gonna care about? Well, I think you know, one of two ways of looking at this. I mean, you can look at it in the way that you just described where you're bearing artists are sort of relegating them to. Obsolescence may be in a way. But on the other hand, you know, the reason why people still talk about zeppelin and Pink Floyd. The Rolling Stones is that there's been this industry that's existed for decades that has preserved rock history. Whether it's classic rock radio. Whether it's documentaries books people keep talking about these artists and keeping them alive. And that's why new generations get interested in them. And and I think there is something positive about hip, hop, not burying its heroes quite so quickly as maybe as has been true in the past that industry that has existed in rock that it's sort of preserve this history. I think you'd just starting to see the beginnings of it in hip hop. You know, you're seeing movies like straight outta Compton. You're seeing again, these radio stations in major markets that are playing songs from the eighties nineties as long as that doesn't take over the present. I think it's okay. It's win that stuff becomes too important. When you lose the balance that I think it becomes bad. But you know, we're. All music fans were all critics and we love history. We love exploring the stuff we think it has value. And I think if you put it in the proper context can be a good thing by that. So let's have some fun. 'cause I know the point of this Uproxx piece was to start arguments. And we're going to throw it out to our listeners if we carry on the dad rap thing who is who. But you know, Jay z is the Rolling Stones. Why is Jay Z? The Rolling Stones. The point of the comparison was to talk about how the Rolling Stones during their peak. Obviously, one of the greatest rock bands, ever, very important, very influential. But then they had a long afterlife where they continue to put out records and toured, but it was acknowledged that they were not doing their best work. They have now supped three times longer than they were. Great, exactly. And I feel like Jay Z. It's not quite that long yet. But like what was his last truly great record? If you haven't go problems for baffle, you son got ninety nine problems. Four forty four did pretty well as them for the year, the Grammys, but for me PJ's e- ends with the blackout which is now fifteen years ago, and we're getting to the point now where the afterlife of his creative peak is longer than his actual peak. So that was the point of that comparison that I feel like his celebrity is so much bigger now than what he is contributing artistically, and that is the place that the stones have the comparison sort of jumps out at me as Eminem and the eagles Eminem is the dad rob equivalent of the eagles. Yeah. Just because you know, again to pick up the misogyny angle, I feel like a lot of the biggest eagle songs are about which he women who have lion is. Things that affect in certainly that has been a strain and Eminem career. Look at her. Rain skirts, neck, and I hurt. She dragged me I also made a somewhat jokey connection to him because he sampled Joe Walsh. Marshall Mathers LP to. And that was sort of like his late career. You know? Trying to rejuvenate himself in much the same way that the eagles hired Joe Walsh in the second half of the seventies. When they wanted to become a big stadium rock. See I got an actual dad wrap story for you. During my short lived tenure at Rolling Stone. Jimmy, I of came in and we all had to go to yon winters office. And I've even played him the new Eminem L at that point. And said, John, you know, I know this isn't your thing. But you gotta understand these are the stones of today. So this was an actual bona fide dad rap. You know, putting it in terms of winter could understand because he didn't understand Eminem at all on that. Just makes me wonder what is the Fairweather Johnson of rap than to bring it back to your tenure it really sewn. Well, you have Drake as Tom petty. I would say Drake is the Hootie and the blowfish of data. That was one of the more. Controversial comparisons in my Ps people did not like me comparing Drake Tom petty. My reasoning for that is that Tom petty was an artist who bridged between the older baby-boomer rockers and the younger generation X people. So he could be on stage with axl rose and Dave Grohl. And then he was also in the traveling wilburs. In a mayor. And I feel like Drake has a similar thing where he can be with the young soundcloud rappers. And then he also makes sense when he's with Jay Z kinda west. So that was the focal point of that comparison. But really, no other way, are they alike. So I just want to make that clear petty was in no way, e MO and Drake is, you know, but they're both great and making radio songs. So you could say that Trump Hetty is. Yeah. He could just write great radio. Hey. In a way that like, you know, 'cause I compared Kendrick Lamar Bruce Springsteen together, I feel like Kendrick is more on the Springsteen mode where Bruce was more about albums and as much about singles at least before born in the USA and also just how the press talks about Kendrick. Lamar kendrick. Lamar is probably the most bulletproof artists right now in music, you know, he's revered beyond all measure. And that's what Springsteen was and probably still is among Rockford. Dylan on Kendrick Kendrick Kendra. I think that works too. I didn't I didn't have Dylan comparison in my case. I don't I that wasn't intentional. I don't know why not on his worst day would Kendrick say, you know, strap your hands round might engines. Mazing? Nozzles Pearl Jam now, that's a a subtle nuanced. That's a good one. Kick it. Pain. Is his. Give us your logic. Well, because I feel like they're both alternately defined by their first records ill Matic for Naza Pearl Jam. And they both put out good records after that. But in terms of what people really know in the talk about the debut records just tower over everything else. And I also feel like they're both kind of specific generation X like if you grew up in your teenager win those when they were both really big they have an importance to you that maybe they don't really have the young people like when I talked to you know, millennials about Pearl Jam. It doesn't always translate. And I feel like there's a similar thing with ill Matic because that record is always either at the top or near the top of the greatest rap albums of all time. Listen, and it just you know, when you have a record like that it creates fatigue. I think with younger people whether it's like okay enough about ill Matic. I'm sick. Even a great record. Right. But you know, it's like the sergeant pepper phenomenon with you know, people my generation you ride Rolling Stone all the time. They're always talking about sergeant pepper. Banged out member cliche cliche. And you just it's even even though that has its merits. He just like okay enough with the sergeant pepper you now have to overcome the hype in order to hear the music, right? Exactly. No. I like the self explanatory descriptions for woo Tang clan is Crosby Stills Nash and young. I thought that was flubber. Ever. Tuck tickets. You couldn't have gotten better. Every everyone start right? Everyone's a star. Everyone kind of comes in and out never know. Exactly. Who's going to be on the record age even showed up like people are actually counting Tang members at shows? Like, wait a minute. I don't see capitan up there. What's going? Macapa down. I might be like in the dressing room to he might be in the building. But he's like I'll I'll show up in the middle of the gig. Then you have like Neil young. You know, he might show to the recording session. He might not. Aw. Yeah. You might delete him from the. Yeah. So yeah. So ghost face killer. Would be the Neil young. Oh, yeah. He's there. It's head and shoulders above even as good as Tang is. And I would say Stephen stills is Rizza because Rizza was the mastermind of Wu Tang. And Steve beginning was the mastermind the one that kills me. I think the one that caused the most controversy within the sound opinions team here. I'm including not only us, but our producers outcast is the Beatles. Yes. Okay. At their peak achieved the kind of level of of prominence where it seemed like everyone liked them. They were one of the kind of few touchtone groups that I can think of really from the last ten to fifteen years or twenty years even like when Hayao was really at its peak. Yeah. There were like people in their forties and fifties that could appreciate that song. You know, there were young people. There were black and white men and women they achieve is sort of level of ubiquity that I tend to associate with like the Beatles or Motown artists like that. L? These days. Jim. The I thought you were going for the Lennon McCartney thing 'cause extraordinary writers who are in competition to top each other. You know, both great on their own. But even better when they come together, I think that's totally right. And I think even the the other second Delia that came in toward the end with Andre three thousand you could if you're gonna call him, the Lenin in that and big boy made more like a pop oriented record. You know, like the speaker boxes. More sort of made for radio, and LA below is head to head in the clouds, so that kind of conforms, I guess to like Lennon McCartney type thing going on at the end of the of the band's career. Well, let me get a philosophical here with with. We're talking to Steven Hyden of Uproxx. Our colleague, cultural critic this great piece, you know, one of these classics like who's cooler Beatles or stones argument starters. Who is the dad rap equal it, right? Brother. Mom, rock mom wrap. All right. We're discriminating here. So let Queen Latifah right now. Bam you're on the spot who is Queen Latifah. I'm gonna ditch the question and say like, Lauren hill Lauryn Hill to me is almost like in my piece here. I I like in the food. Jeez. To Fleetwood MAC. Yeah. Laura hill Lauryn, no brain immense. She's Joni Mitchell. I was gonna say because if I would to carry over the Fleetwood MAC thing I'd have to say she Stevie nicks, but she feels more like a Joni Mitchell type figure so yeah, I would agree with that Elise. Polices Stevie nicks. 'cause she's got that twirly hippie thing the whole album based on food. Yeah. Nicki Menaj Manashe big is she likes away or something like we're just sort of combative, and like very sort of over the top. But also aggressive and has all that. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why moms get left out of this this nomenclature, I mean, I feel like because again like dead rock wasn't a compliment. So it's not like it's a good thing to be called that. But yeah, I don't know. I didn't have you know, I just feel kind of sexist though, that imam right left out. My theory about mom rap in mom rock is that women are not allowed to have careers long enough to eight your feet into irrelevance. So the ageism so the ageism X against women having careers long enough to to start, you know. Becoming greatest hits machines. And I think that's true. I mean, I think I read about this in in my book, you know, as far as like classic rock radio helping to shape our knowledge of what the classic rock cannon is those stations didn't play a lot of women, and they didn't play a lot of black artists either that could have been put under that. I think that definitely informs how we think about it. I mean because like I mean, we dad rack it. It's about the artists. But it's also about the audience, you know, like, it's describing the people in the bands. But I think more so it's about the people that listen to this music. It's sort of defining music by the audience, which is always a dicey thing to do. But that is I think generally what people mean when they talk about this, don't you get the sense, Greg. We could do this with Steven Hyden forever. Yeah. Absolutely. 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Embracing Telehealth and Technology in Physical Therapy with Anang Chokshi

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Embracing Telehealth and Technology in Physical Therapy with Anang Chokshi

"Hey Jimmy here before we get started today just wanted to say thanks to Arias medical staffing for supporting the show Aureus. They're the experts in medical staffing with rewarding travel and fulltime PT PTA. Jobs available nationwide for skilled therapists. Like you travel the country build your resume or make new friends. Aureus will find the perfect job in a location. That's calling you and they'll provide you with full support every step of the way a U. R. E. US medical dot Com. A O M Twenty twenty that stands for annual Orthopedic Meeting of the Academy of Orthopedic Physical Therapy their big big conference April third and fourth in twenty twenty in Minneapolis. Saint Paul Mall of America head. Spine and shoulder. Disorders integration over isolation is the topic this year. What will you learn? Why should you go highlighting the orthopedic investigator factors affecting patients with concussion? Injuries Interconnection of head and neck complex relationship between the neck and shoulder lab breakouts focused on skill acquisition. That's what you're going to get aerial Giordano Rob Lendl Joseph gouges Paulo Ludwig and Lieutenant Colonel. James T mills are your featured speakers checkout more at Ortho P. T. dot org but I think unfortunately sneaky at times was not loan strip. It's becoming better and better. We are driving that with clinical practice and clinical evidence and this is an approach that we took the company to as a company and chief medical officer of help to manage with my team to drive study and Mark Prospective randomized control studies to prove to find not just say pro health. Telemedicine can help a user kate or usability issue but in a true randomized trial numb. Choksi is a physical therapist but he also works for a technology company. Yeah talking telehealth. I'm sure you've seen it unless you've been living underneath a rocky seen the term in physical therapy and around Healthcare medicine in general. What's it mean? What's it mean for physical therapist working in a clinic? When's IT GONNA show up and how how's it GonNa Affect Your treatment? Your job in the profession will take just a brief snapshot of among sees working at reflection health. So take a listen and we'll start to integrate this into your vocabulary. I need some help as well. episode is brought to you by Owens Recovery Science. They're a single source for looking for certification and personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training and the equipment. You need to apply it in clinical practice find Johnny and his team around the world in charting on this but figuring out more information when you can connect with them to get certified at Owens Recovery Science Dot Com. The best conversations happen at happy hour. Welcome two hours four. This is the P. T. casts. 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Getting into some tech this year in Twenty Twenty S. We look forward. These technological advances is if it's a win and Dewayne is kind of already now and already happening so we bring on a numb Choksi to the show a non. Welcome to the program. The addition excited to be here. Yeah good to have you on. Here's the tweet chief. Clinical Officer for a digital healthcare company focusing on care management and values care using technology and telehealth. I feel like telehealth. I mean for someone like me. Who's kind of paying? Attention popped up a year. Two years ago we'd be two and a half but now you don't go more than fifteen minutes online without kind of bumping into that term telehealth. That's it's gotta be pretty exciting to be in the middle of that very much so you know. I think it's a term that's been it's it's a very broad term as well and I think it's been around for a long time in terms of medicine in general but I believe that you know in the last few years. It's really becoming stepping forward. A lot of people's minds with suspected physical therapy. I know we've had a lot of great people doing from number of years. You know with Dr Trevor Ruffled Down in Australia and Doctor Allen Lee out here in in California you know for that for many years but now I feel like there's I think there's people are seeing the interest. Is that in Pencil up. And so now it's becoming more and more every I think everybody's kind of like the bell curve a little Bit Right. You've got the people who are on the bleeding edge those The on the far right of that bell curve. They're going to jump in and everybody in the middle is kind of like paying attention. Like I'll get to this when I know exactly what this thing is. So you work for you work for reflection health right now. But you've got a pretty non traditional background come into the Profession. Talk about that really quickly. Yeah I grew up in in eastern Canada and Nova Scotia on an island called K. Bright NYLAND's so I grew up there for many years and then went to school at McGill University out in Montreal and after McGill. I actually didn't get into physical therapy right away or got to get into the sciences. I actually went into business and get some inside sales for a little while for a number of years and enjoyed it you know but something was just missing from it and you know where I I just missed. The I felt like I enjoyed activity athletic. Sports I enjoyed teaching. I would teach tennis every summer. You know job in college and somebody was missing and Then I discovered physical therapy and I started volunteering. Saw what it was and I said you know what I'm typer career change. I'M GONNA change jobs and I went back to school when I'm in my late. Twenties and what University of Michigan Flint? Everything took off from there. I like that that non traditional background of course because I've got a little bit of a non traditional background boat. We've had Sarah Beth Burke on the show before and she's a professional looking into hybrid professionals in the idea of hybridity. Not just being able to do things but to be able to blend those two things together. So what is your role? Let's get a little more specific specific now talk about what reflection health does and then what you get to kind of bring with your non traditional background your your focus your sales focus your life experience. What do you get to do their great question you I started with a reflection held back in two thousand twelve when I kinda spun up as an idea and I joined them as their kind of their. Cme The content. I kind of medical expert and so just peeling them as vice when they were kind of coming up with the concept of pay. You know what this technology is. Three D. technology cameras are coming out for the xbox connect at the riots there. Hey this is pretty cool. This is pretty cool. In our co-founders were one was a business guy. Another one was a internal medicine physician and they came up with the idea the canyon the physician said I would refer people to physical therapy have no idea what they're doing right What the doing how they're doing. How can I use this three D. technology to better understand what the pieces of doing a home and to give me a better idea of what they're doing would I don't see them in the clinic and talking to them? 'cause I had a little tech in the clinic where I was managing up in Westlake Village California and where we had some technology and they can't and retarded sharing how I would use that technology in practice Just in the clinic though kind of started advising them during the company and I'm using my role as a physical therapist. Almost help guide the road map as to what you know. In terms of what patients would require what clinicians would need in order to provide to get the right information to them so they can actually care for patients outside of the clinic. Because you know there's a lot of companies are coming up a lot of smart technologists out there who think they know? What does it go therapy and are well versed in the technology world? But when they don't have you know I think at the professional we're always worried about people replacing us and I think by lending my my expertise in physical therapy it's understanding what PT's are requiring or wants and needs during the treatment of patients helps up. Yeah you're able to just lend some insight to mean you you you get to speak for us in in the room which I think is really really important. Because like you said he was referring to people or furring to physical therapy but didn't know they were doing there and you were you were able to translator gives some insight into what was actually happening that leads to understanding. That's how we get bigger tables. That's exactly I think I will work but I think that's the thing unfortunately pt at times not well in students becoming better and better we are driving that clinical practice and clinical evidence. And this is you know an approach that we took as a company to As a company as chief medical officer I also help to manage with my team to drive studies and rent and large prospective randomized controlled approve the fines. Not just say that telehealth telemedicine can help end in a user case or usability issues within a true randomized prospective trial and. That's what we WANNA leave with right when we can talk about that universal language which is data more people outside of physical therapy. Who Don't necessarily understand what we can see what we're able to do or capable of doing it and that way they're drawn to us so we don't have to go shouting from the rooftops as much people will start to come to us exactly at and again you know. Technology is there is coming. We all know we all use it in see every day and technology is part of our lives and to be afraid of technology within our profession. I think is something we should kinda shy away from. I think we should adopted more understand how to use it better. Help us do our job. Even maybe a little bit different in a way but maybe a better way you know not be afraid of it okay. So let's talk talk about how we're able or going to be able to use telehealth and why we should embrace telehealth and technology into practice. I'm going to say in the future but I kind of flipped the futures right now. So let's talk about that. Yeah I I you know when it comes to telehealth. I think you know telehealth a way to replace. Pt's a PTA is still the one who's driving the decision making. I think what the the point is to give that commission more data more data to understand what that patient is doing when they're not in front of them and use that to drive better clinical decision. It's really important. You know when if you think about it I I'd imagine a lot of the stuff. They already. How important it is for them to do their program at home whether or not with us because if they do see in the clinic which is maybe two or three times a week. No really add up that time ninety ninety nine ninety nine percent of the time. They're on their own so what they're doing at home is crucial to understand. What they're doing at home is very important for us to help. Guide them through that recovery search and not only re guiding them through the recovery but also maybe potentially improving access to the care right. The large sixty million people live in rural rural America. Who Don't have access to care and to the able to use technology to give him any advice in triage with them whether or not they need to seek. You know for example. If it's a simple ankle sprain just to give them the simple things of what to do and how to recover at home over. A couple of weeks is great because it doesn't work well still have that ability to communicate with them and say you know what I think is now. It's time to get into a clinic or and now it's part of that. You need to see someone for this because when you're trying to do at home is not working is not enough. Yeah I'm imagining your your background growing up in in Nova Scotia on an island that that probably resonates in terms of being able to access care when you're just cut off literally physically cut off from being able to get somewhere very true and also deeper east coast. It's cut off with access to care because I come from a small town. My father was a physician. It's currently it's Back home and but he services the whole island and so people will be driving two and a half three hours away to see him as an ear nose and throat doctor and my father talk a little bit about him. Means he's eighty four and he's still practicing and one of the reasons he still practicing is be retired or some of those services wouldn't be available for people on the island and so it's it's an obligation where many of the physicians they are so feel obligated because they can't treat face the pieces may not have those services and coming from the East Coast. We all know about whether this time of year in the right and when the weather play that has a role y'all you can't always get to that provider and so finding ways to still have the ability to get that quick visit to triage to understand what that patient is doing is at the clinician. You're still using your your your biggest asset. Which is your mind. Yes Sharon Dunn said it a couple years ago. I don't know some address. She gives a lot of addresses. That are always point but it resonated with me which is let's start with circuiting paid for what's between our ears not not just with what we can do with our hands because we can do so much more agree agree and I think this is where technology comes into play and then part of it and also for us as a profession to make sure that people know what we do better. It's even join companies create companies that are using technology to better profession into better the lives of the people who we want to treat and help love. That didn't plan on talking about this. Didn't know that about your dad which I think is a really cool story. What are his thoughts on telehealth and kind of what you get to do in in the future? I'm sure you talk about it with them. No we definitely talked about it and you know it's it's something that he understands because back in the day When I was a young kid back home in the research we have the doctor visits right. The doctor would come to the home house. Call similar to what I in house calls which I think many companies like the company that you work for as well that do some of that called patience and I think it's bringing that back and he gets it he understands it but at times you know. I have a lot of family who are in the medical medical field and when we talk about the they still say well I could see them. They still have that difficulty understanding. You are seeing. You're seeing them feet debate. You don't think you you`re. The big thing is having that conversation doing that. Subjective 'cause that's what's driving your decision right is understanding history understanding what's going on and developing some hypotheses and we all know appease our observational lists. We observed people how they're moving everyone walking on the street and we all know you see someone working there leaning a little bit or have a little bit of a you're already evaluated and and figuring out what what's going on and you already have a good idea how you may treat that before you even get your hands on them and so that's some of the things you know. I try to share with my dad and say. Hey Dad you know what? Maybe you should do some triaging. I you don't have to go to. The clinic is often still do surgery. Maybe it's time for you to kind of step back a little bit and just traditional on your own time and and different matter as well do you. Do you guys have any idea on know how much he just mentioned. Triaging like how many patients might need to be seen and could be seen via telehealth where they could easily be referred out or be given something without never ever be able to be needed to be seen in person. Is there any information your best gas? I heard that before us. Seven to ten percent of physical therapy people who need physical therapy pens heard that before? I hear that number. I don't know where a guy forget where they came from. I've heard that a lot of a lot of people in that blows me away. It's like you know. There's a large portion of the population who don't know what we do. And those seeking physical therapy they'll have access to physical or can you mean the physical therapy the traditional physical therapy because of insurance coverage or high deductibles and to give them another way to even get some information in a safe manner and proper manner is really important right and to make them help them. Guide them to say. Maybe you don't need to come in three times a week because you can't get in there but here's a couple of things try this out. Let's see what happens. And if you have a problem please reach out to me and I'll try to help out and guide you even a little bit more yeah as a PT. Just think about that. How many triage visits? And I'm using air quotes on a podcast which doesn't really work but you get it. How many how many visits you could do in an hour. If you didn't have to worry about someone showed up on time or or space if you could be in a in a location and that person who is seeking care could quickly be seen. That's just it blows me away like you were the stat. I heard is is that exact things. Seven percent of of people who could benefit from seeing physical therapist are were arguing over the seven percent. And we're leaving out the ninety three percent that we could be accessing. No that's a great point and I I agree with you. That's something where we are looking into working because you know we are working in that Telemedicine world where we are triaging patients. And we're triaging pages both non-surgical non operative and operative right and again not. All surgical patients have to go in all the time. Even we proved out whenever in one study that we did a randomized control studies with Duke University where they sure that the total needs may may not have to go in as often still in achieve the same results as traditional physical therapy now. Best conversations happen at happy hour. Welcome to our service is the PT podcast. New Step created the first product of its kind twenty five years ago. That was the new step. Recumbent cross trainer. Now it's a mainstay. In Rehab Physical Therapists Worldwide. New Step now continues its tradition of innovation with the new step transit. Another innovation in recumbent cross trainers for physical therapists delivering real time. Biofeedback with this piece of equipment letting you use it. In meaningful ways for awareness of physical performance goals identifying correcting deficits or imbalances ticket. Test driver. Find OUT MORE AT NEW STEP. Dot Com. That's N. U. STEP DOT COM online at new step dot com. Let's get back to the show among Choksi here on the show. Reflection health. Dot Com is the website for his organization. If you WANNA find out some more and you can follow on twitter. We have his Twitter link as well as his instagram. Handle any show notes for this episode among describe what an actual visit. Let's get nitty gritty. Because people might be able to figure out what telehealth is just from putting that word together but describe what a visit could look like. What equipment are you using? How long does it take? What sort of things are you able to look at share and measure while you're doing this new thing that's called telehealth when it comes to tell not only computer? But it's also you know. Secure texting with the patient Hiccup by texting also making phone calls with a patient. You know this is a couple of ways. I'm going to describe how we as as a reflection. How can the deal with this? Deal the truth telemedicine and you know. We have a couple of products that we've lost. The first product is that we're really known for his are Vera product which is the virtual excise rehabbing systems at Three D. sensor that a patient has at home and that that uses Where we send it to their whole with with some technology where we can track what they're doing at home and it also has the ability to interact with them and ask questions and that the patient is doing the home exercise program that we are providing prescribing to them through our a web based clinician portal. The patient it's counting repetitions using the three D technology to give them suggestions on how to move better than all of that. Data their hearings to the program. How long they're exercising their number recipe. Dude how well performing the Reps? All of that. Data is being sent me along with the educational stuff that they're receiving receiving educational snippets on things. Like You know for example how to get in a car heather manager paying all these things that we would talk to them in the clinic which we talked to them on the Tele visit. Just reinforcing it with videos on the system at home so they can use it in in kind of relearn information on their own time whether it's comfort but comed- to them we're trying to kind of incident prove that okay hold on a second so when they're using vera they're using this on their own and they're doing it in front of a camera. I'm guessing and it's tracking and kind of recording and enable to take a bunch of data in and then saved Senate to you correct innovator so so we're not sitting there watching them home and they're doing it when it's convenient to them at any time they want and then throughout the day. I will go in and check on my on my clinician. I'll get alerts for patients who are having trouble patients who how may have an issue had some pain and I can reach out proactively and see them and call them make shooting attack. Whatever it is saying. Hey how's it going? I saw that you did this wrong. Not only my dean that data must be getting a video them so I can actually see what they're doing so if I see something that they're not doing correctly or tweet exercise again proactively reach out to them. Say I want you to do this and do that. I'll give them a call and then and then we'll have our traditional kind of you know face to face. Teleconferencing visits once a week twice a week again. Whatever or even once every other week whatever's clinically relevant for that patient. You can't just like they come to clinic often as you need to but patients have a little more independent and they have that accountability to the clinician. So a lot of patients enjoy that they enjoy that you know they understand that someone always watching them to guide them in the right way. Wow that is really cool. So when you're saying so let's say let's say you're my physical therapist. I'm your patient. You prescribed an a plan of exercise. I'm home it's you know it's a couple days after. I've seen you I'M GONNA get. I'm finally getting around to doing it. I fire up my laptop log into this hip plan portal. I go through the exercises and I'm doing them in front of the camera. It's Kinda recording and analyzing really what I'm doing and it's it's breaking down some deviations or or they're some parameters in there that it's paying attention to to see if I'm doing it properly great card. Yeah so so back a little bit so and so we currently will be. Do we actually send the whole device that patients we've Not Trying to remove the barriers from the patient. And because you know not. Everyone has the right laptop true. Have a the billy to process data so we actually sent a small little kid raised ten pounds and all the pieces have to do is plug it into the wall and even has a secular card in there so they don't have wi fi they. Can you know that they can actually use the cellular card in there to use it over just in? Lt Service and what it does this like you said. I would prescribe it as a clinician to you at the. Hey Jimmy here. You're ten exercises than Jimmy. After you hook it up you plug it in. Turn it on. It will walk you through it. It'll say Jimmy here tennis size next to you and as you do it and as you perform it evaluating how. You're moving in Three D. space. That's cool that's your evaluating that if you're not moving for example for neither going in front your toes or relieving too far forward on the squad or lunch it'll tell you that ain't nobody will send that same information to me and tell me hanging. Jimmy had some difficulty with these extra Gotcha when we do meet and do television but we can go over that together. Rockin adopt a program. That could easier harder. Whatever it is and the next time you log in you get that program. You don't have to come in to me all the time right and I can evaluating see wants to be Jimmy. You're looking at a little stiff. Need looking stiff. I need you to come to the clinic of next day or to get in here right. Now let's get them hands on or Jimmy doing pretty good. You know what? Let's just keep going with the exercise. We'll talk next week. Let's try and connect. Let's see how you're doing is trying to make that care a little more convenient and again you're using clinical decision making your understanding what they're doing. That's the key thing I like that. Yeah I didn't. I didn't realize that there was an actual separate. Unit is recording video. Can you go and watch this entire routine as they're going through correct recording the video the patient performing it so you can actually see what they're doing and everything and see how they're performing it so the not just getting the data you've seen a snippet of the video and measuring you know asking them to do some functional supplements like motion of the knee half the range of motion of the knee accurate emotional or the hip or doing you know just being tips or balanced whatever? Maybe you have that ability to do that for them to perform these assessments remotely Straw and and then evaluate evaluate that and then make their clinical decision a winter hunting. And where does he go? Yeah I love the fact that you've got the video so you can play your Your Best John Madden Right. Playing it back and say okay. You see what I'm talking about here. This is what I mean. And that's a quick way to record it the whole thing. Well not with her name right. If it's reflections right. It's really talking about how you know in the clinic. I we used to have a lot of mirrors and we use mirrors as teaching tools for patients to understand how they should move and what they should move so by seeing their reflection in in on the screen. How they're moving what they should be moving. Because it's being guided by this Avatar that we have on there and this and that for us to share that when we do a ritual visit and show them. Listen when you do this exercise. This is what he did but I want you to do it a little bit differently. This time it gets Gets to A little further in the understand it and allow for the you know enough to really manage them clinically in a different way reflection health. I see what you did there. I got it out. I'm picking up website reflection. Health DOT COM. Will you guys be it at? Csm as well Sometimes organizations such as yourself do kind of like a booth the demo whatever we unfortunately won't be PFM. I will be there personally so I'll be there just for the first day to attend and walk around but As a company. We're not we're not there. You know what we're we are advocating for and finding for is to try and find way to telehealth reimbursed and so working with people at the CMS and long to kind of to move that show long so right now Telo. That's the that's the one hurdle that we have is. Higher is the reimbursements world And so it'll pocket or that's why when we work. We work with a lot of companies or organizations that are in Risk bearing contracts. If you know you're bundled care selfish office. Self-insured bundled care. Yeah exactly exactly. And so working with providers payers And publishers employers. Okay IF PEOPLE WANNA find out more take a test drive reflection health dot com. They can they can get information. They want their. Should they see the schedule employment? Or How's that work? Yeah you do that. You can also reach out to me If I can email address was among the engine caught. Choksi C. H. Okay S. H. I. At reflection hell dot com excellent among Looking forward to where this will go. I mean you have me sold because I'm a guy I like. Technology and toys physical therapists I see it coming together looking forward to more work being put into with the APA organizations like yourself in terms of overcoming that hurdle of payment. That's GONNA loosen it up and and help some people who might have access to this just yet so I think the future is is going to have telehealth somewhere in it. Exactly what a look like. I think it'll evolve and change but I don't know to me someone who knows just a little bit about it. Really exciting agree and thank you so much. I really appreciate it because I think is becoming more of a conversation these days. Sure everyone in. I think it's a way that we can figure out. 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TSF Quarantine Episode 3: Monday with Eddie

That Sounds Fun with Annie F. Downs

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TSF Quarantine Episode 3: Monday with Eddie

"Prep anything it is recorded great. Good Morning Eddie. You said before we started. You're like do we need to prep anything magic? The magic happens when everyone's listening. That's right that's right okay proper introduction. I'm sorry you go ahead. Good morning and their proper introduction on these but someone yesterday did call them the quarantine. Diaries and I'm so mad. We saw huge miss. The quarantine is already a fully realized Hashtag but teen diaries. It was a good one. It is definitely trending in my mentions hundred percent. That's when you're blocked in Nashville and in my blocking Gainesville it is the number four trend and it is wild. Yeah Yeah it's high it's high up there it's doing some work really is Eddie. How're you feeling this morning? I'm day let's get to work. That is that is what I'm doing because you historically talk about having a little bit of anxiety I do yes I do. I think it's just because yes I do. Feelings idea about a lot of things in some of them are founded in some of it is just the the storm clouds of anxiety rolling in. But somehow with this whole thing it's just a little too much like it's almost like you know you can't shut down a Mike Brim. My wife is in law school. And she's right now in glass doors closed at three was still having classes. Joe Yes she's in class right now. Even Lucy are reading. And then we've got a whole schedule for the day and we're going to have like academic time and it's it's it's a little bit like you know that feeling where it's like. No it's go time I do not have. I didn't have a chance. I will say though Hero alert. I think it's important during his time to find the heroes and people who are doing amazing things hero alert every day. That's great keep going lower expectations of what? I'm about to say it was a set of fridge. Oh I'm sorry but now that's still going to happen. We're still going to hero yet here. Alert last night I am at the store. Picking up some things. We're trying to just like go to the store for the next week and they're starting to shut down around here so go to the store a cart full stuff. Maui out and the guy in front of me. Big Tall Dude looks my cart. He goes he's talking up like yeah. You know just getting what we need. You know he's making Chitchat. Is You know he's doing general? Grow virus chat whatever and I set and he said Yeah. I'm stocking up to on my good for you. And then I look at his cart. He had four gallons of whole milk and the rest of it was filled with ruffles chips and and I thought well he was joking. I replayed the thing I'm like man. He wasn't joking so all I can do is sit there and watch him check out and I'm telling you do you four gallons of whole milk and ruffles. Chips now granted Lang though. They were all varieties. He just grabbed the shelf so hero of the day shocking. Things milk and ruffles. That guy is shocking. I was like this guy's diet. I mean yes. He's never did he on no way. There's no way there's a wife in this story funny. I don't check. I check my raider. Was I check? I'm not trying to get you to find me a partner but I think in in this scenario symphony I would look and see. Is there a woman involved here? That's what I would do like milk and ruffles. I team for two weeks yeah. Everyone's very attractive to me right now. You have camp gone. Yeah I register. I've missed them favorite goggles on. Because I'm on a mission trip in my house right now mission. My hero allergic from yesterday goes to. I have to have a porch and I am about twenty feet from the road that drives by Condo and so some of my best friends are stopping by in waving at me from the car just in the last one of the night last night was my buddy. Riley and he threw me Dark chocolate peanut butter cups from trader. Joe's one at a time and the dart they all hit the ground I was like. Oh that's really funny because I thought that was so funny to throw dark chocolate. Peanut Butter cups sat me in the dark. That's amazing and very very sweet kind. Anybody that knows you are. You're not you cannot be ignored. You've got got to at least there candy at you. Yeah someone's gotTa come at me. It's surprisingly helpful just to have one or two and facetime has been great but having one or two in person interactions where they go in stander in their car or stand on the street and we talk for a couple of minutes has been really really helpful. Yeah Okay may ask you may interview you about some krona things better for you. One is how physically because we learned yesterday? How physically do you have a fever or possible? Now I know symptoms feel telly. Fine temperature is still in a healthy healthy zone. How is your how you how you are you doing? Very I feel very motivated this morning. Which makes for a massive emotional crash about three PM but this morning? I'm like Hey I've already taken a shower. I dried my hair. I'm really balancing and I think here's what I really think Eddie. I think I'm on the front side of a wave of a lot of US getting to stay home for a Lotta days in a row and so also trying to think through like how much of my good hair product do I use when it's just it's too story seeing me but I don't want to just stay put. I WANNA get dressed everyday. I don't want to say in Pajamas. I can't do that for ten days. I do think it's totally appropriate. If your home for ten days to take to like I didn't put. I had pajamas on all day yesterday. But like it's a work day. It's a Monday I need to put clothes on and I think I will. I think it would feel great for three days. One of my favorite memes. That's been going around is the one of Donald Duck where they're like. Hey if you if this is your first time working from home here so everyone dresses because he only shirt. I prefer the Yogi bear vest. Whatever you want to do the idea. I love that but also ten days in two days and so I can't get into that after three so I feel real motivated this morning and I just do like push to like. What if we all ended this season of corona virus having spent time trying to be healthier right not just giving in to eating and now? I'm not the boss mice food or drink except for I know Milkin ruffles but I'm just like what if we like actually use this well instead of giving in to all the things that make us feel better any game seven thing to say but I as a four? I don't know why I agree with it but I totally do. I mean it's like when when we lived in Seattle. We got great advice from a friend. Who said On those days when it feels like you want to curl up and read. Because it's raining outside you you have to keep going because it's it's overcast all the time that you can't you can't give in to the two at fully you can enjoy it a bit but for me. I'm trying to space it out to like Monday. Through Friday is go time like one still working. I'm still going to look is but I work from home so I'm very comfortable with this routine but but like Monday through Friday is like let's get it done. Let's do the thing. Five o'clock on Monday through Friday is let's chill and do whatever we wanted to look. I'm trying to keep some sort of like Yeah I don't WanNa feel like it's the end of summer break and I'm starting school again and I don't know how to I don't know how to live and I've you know gain a bunch of ruffles weight and all that stuff but it's still it's still it's still hard yes because I would love to lay on the couch and I'm going to some but I also have set my phone alarm that every day at five o'clock I do. I either go on my Walker. Do a yogurt some sort of working out. Because whether he says I don't in my real life is I always have something to do at night. Don't like getting sweaty at five and then having a shower again and so either go workout before they. I'm not as disciplined about working out. I'm far more disciplined about my social interactions. That shocks you but I'm like well you can't do that so you can work out every day and there's so many workout. Apps that are letting people do it for free. Because they're home. Yes no I know. I love my apps. They're the best five K. I doubt and fit bod. Fit love that APP. It's mostly like if you're going to a gym it shows you. It's like a trainer at shows. Modern Outta like what to live. Because I have no idea how to lift but I like doing it. But it also doesn't at home version where it's like body weight only so it's basically like just sorta like Yoga But a little less like that But you know I don't know if this story is true if it's become one of those like lower kind of things okay. P P S because. Brian is in class on kid duty. So there's a fifty fifty chance evenly come in and have a question and we're just going to answer that so but You know when the Chilean miners got trapped they. They finally had the opportunity to send down when they finally dug a hole. That was big enough to send down supplies. The one of the things that went down in the first shipment and this was somebody. I think it was a navy seal officer and get Fuzzy on details. Now that was in charge of that that helped with like torture and interrogation in new about what it meant to be isolated. He was informing. What should be sent down in the first shipment and so obviously there are things like cellphones and stuff but one of the things they sent down in the first shipment guys was razors so that they could shave and of course they can be normal. That's an feel it's that feeling of like I am intentionally caring for myself. That somehow really drastically affects your psychology. And so even as we speak for no reason I'm wearing my normal work clothes normal but it matters. Yes yes and I think well what if I just the APP I'm using is called tone it up and And it's and it's a really nice APP. That costs good. Well earned bunny for the trainers. But they're doing it for free right now and I was like well. I'll just do it every day. At five o'clock it just feels like this is silly but it feels like this opportunity to like if we're all going to be home a little extra. Let's cook good things in the kitchen and exercise where we can. Let's read the books we've had on our shelves like let's let's enjoy this while it's also terrible. Yes this is high today. I cried three times yesterday. Just say you know yeah. This is really hard for me. I know it is are you. Were SO UPSET. I really am one of them is the CDC at the very end of the day. After I'd have a fairly successful day the CDC released that groups of you can't gather for eight weeks with groups of fifty or more. That's hard did you see that. I didn't I purposely cut out the news. Sorry I don't mind I wanted I by people I was just too much you know. Yeah and so. That means there's no church for people who gather with fifty or more and the traditional way we do church until Thursday and and so when when I saw it and it meant that we won't have Easter like we've always had Easter. I I kind of had outs ending a little. It is it will end by It also right now as I hear that I'm like you can't touch that magic. I'm Okay People. A couple of weeks to March. Yeah but I still don't want that Lake I WANNA. I WANNA get dressed nicely. I WANNA I WANNA DO THING. I WANNA go. I want us to be together and that the whole like eastern is the best. That's what I said to the guy I just said. He's not a big church guy and I was like. I'm a big like he loves charts. He's not a large group of People Church Guy and I was just like I. I really liked big church. I'm I love how our church runs and how we love each other and here and that makes me super sad that we will see each other. Big Group setting. That's just one of those things like you can. You can dial it and we can eat. Well you can exercise you get dressed into your work. There's a lot of stuff that you can make up and you can even do some weekend services online but there's just some things that cannot be replicated and that's why movie theaters still exist. There's no practical reason other than there's something about us all being together to watch a movie that somehow. May To better. I think my TV and sound at home is better than a typical movie. But it's just that other people aren't laughing with me and there's there's there is a lot to be said and that's the that's the part that really can't be. Yeah I I would be upset about that too. I can see where he was. I think we're going to have to learn how to hold both those things. I'm going to have to learn how to hold both those things that I can cry when I hear that I won't get to see. Our Church gathered Easter and exercise to an APP. That is free because I want to be healthier when this is done. Both of those. Yes you'll be true for me and for me. I have to hold the tension of. I'm going to do all those things but then also when I fail which I feel like I will like. There's going to be a day where I'm like I'm just not you know this Thursday gotta just a crazy workday. It's GonNa be hard for me to like. I feel like I might not be as feeling like I am right now on Monday. But then just be like all right now. You've got to keep on this like in not just health stuff but the like you've got a reset your mind reset your body you've got to keep trying and it's okay like you gotta be. I have to be graceful with myself. I think typically like if I if I failed this kind of self quarantine social distancing thing. I'll just feel like. Oh my gosh now. My family is going to get sick. And I'm going to be super unhealthy and Blah Blah Blah. But it's like no. It's this is a hard thing we're GonNa get a ninety day time. We'll get like a half day at a time. That's right and that's what if someone asked me yesterday on Instagram. Like how do I keep my anxiety at bay and I was like well for starters? We're all in this together. Like no one knows what they're doing if it makes you feel any better. All of us have never done this before. Sometimes when I feel the most anxious is when I feel like I don't know what everybody else knows and and so at least we all know that we don't know and that's right and then I told her I was like you need to pray because Jesus is the Prince of peace and there there's power in that and also just to see him and told us two. Wait that's right. We got to pray just to make it. Today is what he said and he's not wrong he never he never is he was not wrong on that and then. I told her I was like you've got to do today. Don't think about the next two weeks or the next ten days like just do Sunday and then this was yesterday and then tomorrow just. We're just doing Monday today so I'm just doing my today. 'cause I know in my head and we also have to turn the corner to a little of social media reaction from yesterday but I know that in my head my expectation is that we're doing this for two weeks and I but in my but I also know about myself that if we get to thirteen and a half days and it's still going to be another week I'm going to have to really struggle so I I just. I'm I'm aware that this is going to be a daily process of just massive expectation anxiety life management. None of us have had to do. It's just a different thing. We have been in a privileged place where we have never felt unsafe going outside. Really most of us. And so part of this as an opportunity to empathize with a lot of the world. That feels safe all the time And that's our best moments in the part of it is just handling the fact. That is just weird. It is just weird. We're GONNA feel weird and there's no resolving it it is okay. I would like to say you mentioned on that on instagram. Somebody asked you how you're handling anxiety you and I have very different social media because all my social media is ways that people there bum. I'll yeah I know. I got a lot of that twitter. I opened up a whole different thing that I was. Yeah we did rather what are some things? What are some of the options for every bay just jumped in today you and I are doing a quarantine podcast every morning? The HASHTAG IS T- SF quarantine and yesterday. We talked through the power of toilet paper. And and what to do in your house if you run out because people are acting like that's impossible to use anything else and then people gave us some of their thoughts. So what were some of the ones that jumped out at you? Well April Jones gave us a lovely Tidy Little List walgreens receipts newspaper or I mean Walgreens receipts. That's that's a at the two for. I don't WanNa get those saying you could split that thing in long. Yeah that's right this shit. This is the last time I ever want to talk about this with you. Just to be very clear and newspaper or Grocery store ads. Great one dryer lint. I don't think it has the consistency you need. I think it's a little too I think the break apart but desperate times call for desperate. Yeah you're GONNA have to just see how the yeah I would just not throw it away would be where I am on that. No you're GONNA WANNA right you want to it. All we get to that point. Yes horde this is the season to hoard. If you've ever wanted to paper product I also thought The ones about coffee filters was helpful. Oh yes of course. I'm boozy I don't use coffee filters but I don't drink coffee so I don't even know. This is what I wake up. I've been awake and taking a shower in a person for a bit but this I wake up with enough energy to get my day. I told myself that I've only been to your office and Studio one time when we got to record the end of the year shows last year and it was so great but I told myself that the next time I come I am bringing with me for your office ways away to make coffee. I'm going to bring a French Press. Got Wonder we got well. We got a cure egg. Sorry good enough. That's good. We had enough people coming through that. Drink that stuff. It was like well. It's time you're like you're of course being so hospitable last the one thing you didn't have and it was like how am I gonNa do three hours of podcasting without a little shot. Someone with there was a Lotta chat about Corn cobs. I saw that too. How how I don't WanNa talk about how I don't WanNa talk about that. 'cause 'CAUSE WE KNOW HORRIBLE. Caroline told us that and it's her first tweet ever which I felt very honored that she tweeted. Tell us that I would also encourage her. Make that your last tweet. Not Because you didn't anything wrong but Seinfeld if that's all you can try to Mike. What twitter deserves is all? That's also Joe Watts. Old Friend we've known Joel for a long time Korean Barbecue. Ask that is. That's what I thought. I thought yes but unfortunately there in their shelves where everything else has gone so I don't know if they're actually terrible or if it's like a sleeper cell raining and did did milk and ruffles not have any Korean barbecue in his car. I looked yesterday for Korean barbecue chips because I thought you know what in these desperate times? I'd daddy deserves some create barbecue chips. They don't have a Canadian chips much. Better I've learned this through years of talking about this on other podcasts. A ketchup chips in their great great. We don't even. We're not even considering that as an option in America. No I don't know why and actually my favorite ones when I lived in. Scotland were peron chips. Oh shrimp flavors. They're great. I can't fathom that being good but I trust that it is yeah. It's very well. They're salty. I can't describe it. It tastes like a shrimp Maga- describes as it tastes like shrimp. Also I'm seeing outside my window. You know how everyday outside of your window Eve and Lucy hold assign that says they're not afraid of crow virus or something and they dance around. What is it? If it's something to that effect it was something gently loving and mocking you and what I'm seeing out. My window is downstairs. Neighbors are taking loads to their car very quickly back and forth. Is there something we don't know we check the news? I'm just watching them. Still in their pajamas. Just load their car okay. Because I was doing jumping. Jacks yesterday hold on. Maybe they've heard your podcast and they knew somebody upstairs who's quarantined. And you know your Air Vents. All worked together. Somehow I one of my neighbors arrived yesterday had a visitor and he kinda funny. I was like well. Gordon teams like by the government and he is like really and I was like. Yep but it's a couple I've seen speedily adding things to their vehicle. I am shocked with how people have like been nonchalant in some ways about like. I had friends that were at a theme park yesterday. Oh I saw pictures of people at Disney and I was like. You're the reason I have to live in my house and I know you guys being irresponsible. That are going to get more people sick. Which means anymore weeks when we're all still on our houses. I'm going to be mad at every person. I saw that Disney picture. I know I wish I knew it was a bright because if I could have gone we have gone out this weekend and got the kids out to a you know a bounce park or something like that would have some sort of. I don't know I'm still as no. I just checked the news but there's nothing big that we're okay great. Yeah right in the smack middle of some massive announcement and just were like Blah Blah Blah Blah corn. Cobs in your toilet. 'cause that's what you're about to say you were you're here. Your lips forming. Be Back just just trying to keep it real easy Chad. So yes we are editor extraordinaire. Right who techs at the end of this and be like nope no edits? But I'm having I'm being aware that I'm like oh boy I can really know at all right. What other another thing. That's interesting about. This is all of the other news. That's happening that is just it's just getting obliterated like the democratic Bates has night debate last night. Everybody watched us. I typically do stay pretty into that stuff. I did not watch last night's because honestly I think we wanted to watch parks and REC. And that was what we did but yeah typically. I watch them the issue. I don't like people interrupting each other. Unless they're laughing seven's love to interrupt when we're excited about something but I find interrupting out of anger because when I was very disturbing but just interrupted to be funny. Sorry I know I like I like it like that Send out I DON T. I will watch them particularly when it gets to the presidential debates I really will watch because I want to hear their policies and what matters to them and but when there's ten now there's only two now but when there's ten Democratic candidates I'm like Nah I'm not here for this. Just take that quiz on Washington. Post to see who? I'm close to agreeing with. I did I took that quiz at all. My people are gone. I have nobody to vote for same same will well. We will still be in our house in November. So who can just can't turn that corner on this show. We need to know but it is weird though like Florida primaries tomorrow. We're all supposed to be voting. There's no I mean if you've got a absentee ballot that's great but their people aren't going to go to the polls. It's just drained. Speaking of checking things off of the box boxes. I may be fergany on last night and he did it. Tell me one. How did a taste? It's delicious I've never had it before. I don't think I've never tasted what I tasted. So either I did it wrong. I've never had it before. But it was great. It was like I'm vote for myself if you will and you just. How was the process of just? That whole thing was good for its have united before. I never even had many steps so incredible amount of steps like probably would have been has happy with Salisbury steak. Serious I mean it starts out with like set out the cubes of meat. Dry them salt and pepper them on both sides them for thirty minutes. I was like listen. I can not with this. But what else got to do right so and it lasts me for two more days which is great. Check it off the list. Listen that quarantine bucket list is getting a getting a real slap around. I'm handling it. I only think it'll last year. This is probably GonNa last me ten days because there's things like right ten thousand words on the novel. I'm working on it. We'll take me the whole time. So that's going to be but today today's goal is to clean out the closet shelves. That's GonNa be my Monday evening. Activity is I've got these four. It's only four shelves. I've got these four shelves that have just lost their. They've lost their way way. Yeah do and you've got I mean. Amd INCA still up and running. So you've got like your folks are GonNa be going and we have a staff meeting in an hour. You're doing the show. What show did you have launched today you have actual podcast gave us? She is a Karen Carpenter tribute singer. What on egg exactly like Karen Carpenter? Obviously that's what you do if you're a tribute singer. But that's her GIG right now. Is She does Karen Carpenter covers and does live events singing Karen Carpenter songs. What's the Karen Carpenter? What's the Big Karen Carpenter Song? We've only just begun. Oh Merry Christmas darling. Oh now this is interesting. So she's that's who's on the show. So yes if the ink is like you got work to do on new activists today release on Mondays. Would you release on Mondays? Every every other Monday will someday. We'll get to two a week but right now we're every other one time thing. It's Sarah Beth from pants who politics because we just met technically voice to voice yesterday on twitter their incredible. Yeah so we. So it's funny. I had planned this show in the midst of the debate. Because we have this great conversation about. They're on opposite sides politically and they and they have really modeled for us like how to have good conversations and disagree but to live in the nuance and to be honest with each other and also maintain this friendship and relationship. And that's a lot of what their their podcast is about. Is like them talking about issues. And they don't agree and then how does it work out and so on the show? Today we talk about like. How do we be activists in the midst of disagreeing and it was a super helpful shot and I'll say it felt wildly topical a week ago? Now it just feels like who cares. Let's talk about growing up but I still ask. Folks are list but yeah. I'm the same way today like it's like we've got it is business as usual at. I J M so it's interesting like I feel myself getting worked up but at the same time I'm like well everybody's home and also should clean the gutters outside. So maybe I'll do that. I thought that was yeah. I thought part of me is like I mean. I have a lot of things like warranty bucket list but also I do have five days of were four nasacort because I have a sabbath this week. I'm full days at work. I do hope it helps. Though my my hope is that today doesn't feel the today feels like like I wanna be in go mode. Yeah I hope. I hope that for you to that you're sorta like I want you to feel like A. I wish there was. I wish there was a little less going on which really yes me too. I want to feel that you don't want to feel okay. We're going to challenge. What is the challenge today? I mean really enjoying the feedback. We should think of tell us shale so the challenge I think is for for unite like I. I want to for me I want to. I don't have a bucket list of things to do. We had a list of things to do over the weekend. But I do Kinda WanNa figure out like the what my week is. GonNa look like so for me. I'm trying to think of like what of extra things on top of working and living that will bring joy to the week so know. How am I going to hang out with friends? Xbox live is actually a really good? I know it's silly but we can all get on and play video shot. I don't own a video. Yep Three of my friends live together a married couple and another dude and yesterday they were like play a game with us and I don't have a game console. I know if you decide to go down that road though. I have strong advice for for your game counseling but I also feel like tomorrow. We talk about game counseling about game consoles tomorrow because if anybody has dropped him in the quarantine and we'll talk about tomorrow what system and what game should be playing and really. What should I be playing because I need a new game? I need a new like really good name okay. So that's my what's my challenge for. Today I did not do an outside walk yesterday because it ran. My Challenge for today is actually walking outside. And what's what's your what's your allowed. What what are you allowed to do? Just slapped my neighborhood. I'm allowed to walk around my neighborhood but I still have to stay stint feet or six feet away from any other person so when I walked the day before yesterday. I like people getting their cars. I just stopped and let them get out of their car. And I didn't I wouldn't like scarlet letter. Don't come close lugging me ask exposed. Yeah Yeah Stop and let them go in their house and any well I I appreciate. How thoughtful you're being about it but I think getting out of the House I mean. It's it's nine o'clock in the morning. We're recording this. I have. I'm leaving my house immediately just to go on a bike ride so I think Hey I don't day three of doing this. I'm enjoying this great. Deal me to thank you. I thank you for agreeing to do it. I it has been. It is a very good start to my day. I like it too and I liked it. We don't have to record stuff. That's evergreen like. We can just talk about today talking about what's going on and then it just disappears. I'm always every time I've podcast. I'm like okay. This is going to be heard in four months. Make sure that it's still topical but I just I like to check tomorrow. It'll be the bottom of the bird. Feeder bottom feeder birdcage. The birdcage Jane. 'cause I was lost and I'm like bottom of the Bird Madam. You have lost me in that metaphor. Okay we'll do our challenges today. I'm going to actually make my bucket list. I will share some of the things tomorrow. You going game consoles Tamara. Oh yes we are strong things. God knows I have a complaint for tomorrow as well. So that'll be good. Is it against me getting excited about that? Nope just man when people call when people say hey. Can we get on the phone? I am I in trouble my my boss at work dolt. Who My boss at work? Who I think is a fantastic person with such a good relationship every time. She texted US like ten minutes. I'm like this is how the family and I know objectively. I'm doing great at my job and I am in high esteem by her and she is very honest but I can. That is it is like the worst kind of anxiety. I don't know why I'm a big baby okay. We did it all right everyone. Go Wash your hands tomorrow by Buddies.

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Eating Behaviors & Nutritional Determinants with Patrick Berner

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Eating Behaviors & Nutritional Determinants with Patrick Berner

"They hadn't that conversation with the patient for five if it works for looking at person as old church is just one of those components mentioned earlier sleep stress. Everything which you've had for look at in a way that all of this is going to our building optimize movement if we want a truly optimized blueprint like you say we do. We need to look at everything that affects the Kyrie body building. Patrick Berner coming back on the show if you've listened to patch before he's a cool hybrid physical therapists and registered. Dietitian before he became a PT. So he knows these really cool combos of bringing in nutrition in a really really cool easy to understand way and bring it into your physical therapy practice. Just a smart guy to have on the show. We're bringing him every couple of months to kind of shed some light on different nutritional things you can add to your practice and help your patients love and have in Patrick on the show especially in this time when food and you being home and cooking a lot is definitely a thing. People are talking about Patrick Jumping on the show. The fuel physio as he goes by online show is brought to you by our friends from. Arias medical staffing. Do want to thank those guys for helping support the show from the very beginning leaders and travel physical therapy and you might be thinking. Well traveled physical therapy right now in this whole Kobe thing well a lot of areas knee. Pt's might not have them PT's might be out of work unfortunately and displaced and you might be needing to relocate. 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So Owens recovery science dot com find out more information there Owens Recovery Science Dot Com Patrick. Berner the best conversations happen at happy hour. Welcome two hours. Four Gore this is the PT podcast. Here's your host physical therapist Jimmy Mackay. Hey what's going well interesting question? Yeah I'm doing I'm safe. I guess right I mean we want to focus on the things that are most important safe Healthy I've got roof and food and family and everybody's good so how about you all just hanging out at home. I think that's I mean I. I think how you doing is the thing that I used to say right. I mentioned this before in a previous episode recently. Which is like. That's just a crutch right. It's just a you know a thing we throw out there but actually you know listening for response These days is like the thing we've got to. Yeah it's everybody's got a bit significantly different right and I'm gonNA for new new. I mean you've got the hell out of dodge basically. So where are you where you had to evacuate New York City Not Not for any reason I wasn't ordered to or anything. But like a weird a weird Timing of events was happening two weeks ago and today were recording just for the audience on April. Six two weeks ago about it's actually Saint Patrick's Day I just I just wasn't I just didn't want to be in New York anymore because I was like man. I'm seeing what they're doing in San Francisco at the time they're going do it in New York and I don't want to be stuck in six hundred square foot apartment sheltering in place or whatever So I decided to leave and go upstate New York where I grew up Orange County New York. My brother's got a spare room so I became his instant. Roommate and Ammo my lease was also ending on April first so had to figure out how to move. You know. Vacate an apartment then go back and vacated apartment and I was. I was sick at the same time. Don't know what if it was actually cove it or not. I had a lot of the symptoms. But I couldn't get a test nor should have test I wasn't I wasn't treating patients of time was interacting so so yeah so I literally moved my recording studio equipment to my brother's kitchen table where I'm recording right now. But again you know there are some people who definitely have a lot more going on in terms of health issues and family and you know people being stuck internationally or being stuck places. Maybe they were on vacation in snowbirds. Now they can't get back to where they're from and so. Yeah so your question was how you doing. I'm doing I'm doing okay. How about how about you? That's about so we My wife is how would we at thirty thirty year? We hit thirty six tomorrow. Good Yeah for sure. we It was kind of a weird timing of things that are aren't apart soon so last Monday. But I've been doing some time and some servicing facilities split between building helping has always done for years right that really ever a fulltime job but I in and facility and we'd been doing kept check you know for a week or so when you know you walk in Matthew. I ten times all that kind of stuff and I worked in my Monday in majority pretty much everybody working so we're odd right because the facilities been pretty much managing this entire thing poorly from the get. Go right so you know. Half as checking towns not really keeping patients six apart right so billing the following anything which is unfortunate because when during the people doing locker president doing no work in math. You know it was concerning to happen. Is One of the main faciliate going to Had A positive case right so they. They got results in that morning. They were positive. And there's a long term resident which told everyone that this was brought into the facility price. This person's not left for years. So that point. It was just that okay. Well there's the potential that committee has it. You know I don't already I don't know. I always very unfortunate if I came because of my own personal situation at home if I came across positive case those who you know coincidentally on that same day my wife had a new partner and then learned that the hospital delivering at a new back at the mother tested positive on admission they would quarantine the baby for fourteen days in those days that there would corn Without us so you know we just decided that onion to avoid all increase risk right right upcoming contact now definitely. My wife also decided. She was working one day a week to pediatric clinic that she was going to step out completely do so now. We're just both waiting isolating staying at home right so I still going through the grocery shopping. Now they'll probably start wearing a ban. Dan when I go so it looks like I'm bribing place or something. I walk in but I mean just trying to reduce risk. So you know. Our thing was just eliminate all contact friends patients. Everything if we can just have it to where. It's not positive when we go to the house. Yeah because we lost contact with two weeks. That'd be it. Sounds like yeah? Sounds like you're doing exactly what you need to be doing right now. So it's interesting you know we. I've got my garden planted Of course you do of course. Of course you do all the random project done. Buil built a birdhouse that doing before. Yesterday let's see you get your ged. You're getting stuff done. We're up too bad. That's an interesting cool. Well we bring you back on for the second time here in twenty twenty. Last time we had John Really just bring in really bringing both of your worlds and we've had actually somebody on if you listen to the episode with Sarah Beth Burke. She's a she's a she's got a PhD and she talks about hybridity. You'd be interested in In that and you'd be an interesting case to take a look at really. What she does is she looks at people who are bringing in multiple careers together and she calls a kind of a hybrid professional. And you were the background as a registered Dietitian and a physical therapist. And what you're doing. That's that's kind of exactly what she talks about. We've had a couple of times. She just released a book actually dives a little bit deeper into the work that she did on her PhD. We bring you WANNA talk about today. Eating patterns behaviors and nutritional determines. I think a lot of people right now as we sit are doing things like like you're doing in terms of planning a garden paying a lot of attention to To what they're eating because they've got they've got a little time on their hands. And listen if you're not gonNA make a behavior change now when you if you have a lot of extra time on your hands you probably never going to make that change. 'em It's a focus on this. Yeah it is. It is eye opening right. It gives the people a lot of additional time like you said the reflect on what they're eating and to really identify in the time to do you have the access the free that's necessary to he. Start Looking at now People in financial binds asked. Where are you going to get access to certain foods and then even the foods that were one are easily attainable by that? You enjoy right your your wife. Strong down the street right. I've got a local spot here that you know they were doing it to go water and little meal prep things but ultimately Saturday they had decided to just close down and shut the whole thing. Right we start losing Entities like that right. And you've got all your food. Then everybody live coverage downs or dad overeat right so and we have your Paco Bell. You can get it. We can't not mention drizzly by the way if you heard a drizzly no I haven't. What does that door dash for alcohol? Beer liquor I mean. It's not available everywhere. There are some local restrictions but drizzly checked it on the APP store. But you're right. I remember the first time I heard the term food desert. I was in school and so I was in my thirties. The first time I've ever actually even heard the term food desert and I was like this is made up. What the Hell is this? And then a professor went into it. I was like Oh gosh no this. This is a big deal. Yeah no definitely Arthur Radically across the country but then it's also very interesting Food Desert mccur anywhere right. You know when you say food desert from people are thinking only people out in the mid West people who live and parts of the country that don't have high population etc but if you take a significantly popular adept population right. Even the right. They're they're going to be section within that city that are classified as food ever because the access the food is significantly low right but then also you add in the financial complications who writes a food. Desert can occur anywhere even let you wouldn't expect it right. That was the thing that got me. I was like well. Food desert you picture midwest spread out population and then she went into. My professor went into our urban areas. And take a look and you look where you know inequality of income and then of course those What food those places actually sell a lot more of and what they'll price when she started going into it I was blown away and it was probably in my face. You know most of my life. I just didn't know it. It is interesting when you look at the data and you know some of the comparative data because you had mentioned the liquor stores. I A talk in in Maryland. Annapolis a couple of months ago so I researched. It was a full day course on health promotion wellness etcetera but part of it was affecting the the community in which you know this is that in your areas there are classified as your food deserts. We didn't have access to food right. There were no markets. There were no grocery stores. There wasn't a funded for liquor stores you could. You could easily get access to liquor but you can get access to healthy foods but sometimes just food in general but another term. That's interesting too. I've thought a fruit deserts and this is more of a new one Kinda using lately. Cultured presentation is the term group swap. Food swamp yeah. Okay so what's that So what food is based on the Autism? That turned it is. It's the areas that are highly in fast food restaurants or convenience store so it's going to be more of your you know highly processed food which turns your your unhealthier options but yeah the food bear. It's not what you get when we bring this back to. You know our profession in terms of physical therapy sleep and nutrition and mental health. Other things that are things that are determinants of health in our patients recovery. We'd be paying attention to those and that's something I'll be honest I was sitting there in. Pt School many moons ago. I was thinking. Wow yeah this would gigantically. Impact someone's recovery if they live in a food desert or as you as you use that phrase food swamp a hundred percent if they don't have access to it they're not getting it absolutely so it could just be you know John Attrition for day today but if you start looking at other components of of those determinants and if it's a financial component you know what I the real big correlation is evident when dealing with your older adults nutrition. Right I do not. Malnutrition could be because geographically whether living could be physical mobility which is something we can address but it could be the financial component of it right and at that individual Older adult isn't getting their nutritional. Needs you start to see Russel breakdown you start to see weakness frailty right off the quality of life whilst the function so. It's definitely something you consider when you know. Just knowing that every individual's nutritional determines and things that determine that ability to consume what they need. We're going to be different right. You know it. It could be any similar if you're in one community right. Individuals could have similar barriers or things that prevent them from any healthy. But then if you look at the individual person it could be. Their religion could be their culture their heritage. Yeah right that may depict that they only eat certain foods or they avoid Sharon. Sharon done taught me how to eat crawfish at At years ago. She's like Jimmy and I'm GonNa do a crappy Sharon done in person Jim. You've never have crawfish. I'm like I I will be honest. I've never had one. That's just where she grew up in Louisiana where I grew up in in New York and I know they were a thing and I just never had it. My parents never made it a thing so we never made it a thing. It doesn't mean me being originally from right when I see who'd and crawfish. Everything is something that I grew up on so when I get news the access to it. It's all land but yeah you you look at people from where you're at upstate. New York are you looking people in the Mid West? You know who who may be more geared towards consuming cattle or beef varied drastically across the country. But you also have to look at Whether an interview originally came from right because they may be from the Midwest and northeast where it were truly different outlook. Sure how do they bring in what they've grown up onto where they're living? Now Start to change. I still bad for people who've never had New York City Pizza because it means you've never actually had. I don't know what your but I would agree it. It is something very unique special but yeah that always fires people up especially especially from Chicago. I'm sure so listen Chicago. They have food there. It is round lasagna to me. I don't understand how it can be confused with Pizza. CaN'T PT podcast. We'll be right back. New Step created the first of its kind twenty-five years ago. That was the new step. Recumbent cross trainer. Now it's a mainstay rehab with physical therapists. Worldwide new step now continues its tradition of innovation with the new step transit. Another innovation in recumbent cross trainers for physical therapists delivering real time. Biofeedback with this piece of equipment letting you use it. In meaningful ways for awareness of physical performance goals identifying a correcting deficits or imbalances ticket test driver. 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But a can't help you unless you take the first step and make the investment and today's your chance go to orthopedics dot org and take the current concepts course from the Academy of Orthopedic Physical Therapy Orthopedics Dot. Org and the current concepts course from the Academy of Orthopedic Physical Therapy and we're back. Let's get back to the show. How do you bring this up when you're talking when you're when you're talking with clinicians now because as you mentioned a second ago you do teach clinicians and continue education courses and So what are the? What are the main focuses that you know as you said we can chat about? What's healthy all day but if it doesn't fit into someone's life they don't have access to it. They don't know how to make it like me. I wouldn't be able to know where to start with crawfish or anything like that but It doesn't matter. So how do you talk about this to clinicians? What are what's in our scope. What are the big important things that we should focus on with patients in nutrition in this way knowing that no the education that you can provide for therapist has benefit in effect on their outcomes? And so you know being able to identify their meeting their nutritional needs to to facilitate which you're working on right because you know. Mcconnell Bill Tissues Michael Pare. The body doesn't have the nutrition that it need so ten in that conversation with the patient to to identify if meeting their needs. And you know just looking at other determining with healthy living to me think about you. WanNa get your patient back to back to Gaul for Baxter running right birth type of thing you know you gotta look at. How do you ever Miss Home Exercise Program? Why today have the ability to run their neighborhoods to build up to that ten K. For that half mouth. Oh and it's more so looking at that person about right and we just worn those components right so should mentioned earlier sleep stress everything which you have to look at it in a way that all this is going to affect our building and optimize movement right if we want to truly optimized movement like we say we do. We need to look at angry that affects human bodies ability to. Yeah if you're giving someone I mean this. This came about in the first conversation that we had on the show which was actually at a rooftop bar in South Carolina. We should go back there once. This whole thing blows ever need to have drink there. But if you're giving someone ramping up someone's home exercise program and you're giving them challenging things to do as we're taught as physical therapist to optimize movement and you're not asking about their nutritional intake they might not have the ability or if they're doing it they're not getting the results you might just say. Well they're not complying Something else at play. But you haven't asked about the thing that they're putting in their body to actually fuel them. Yeah absolutely it looking at at at the in court right versus looking outcome you know what is ultimately influencing out is kind of what my that should be. And that's basically what China get clinicians understand. Doing looking at a person more holistically is that everything is going to affect what you're working. You're yeah it's a good point. Is there a good outcome measure? That may be. A PHYSICAL. Therapist will be qualified to administer that properly. Does this like if if you're saying if someone's sitting there nodding and going you know what Patrick sounds like and it was just talking about him in. I don't do this but I want to. Is there something we can do practically but effectively that that a physical therapist could just run through in terms of either giving the patients have to fill out or something they can do subjectively as furry identify? What they're eating pattern looks like you. Can you can do food frequency questionnaire and things like that just to get an idea of what it looks like You know there. There are certain questionnaire that there that I'm a year towards identifying food insecurity excetera for me. It's it's really just narrowing it down to on a clinician side. I comfortable talking about. I just had to go through questions that you bring up and have that conversation. You know the unfortunate thing is. They're not really a gold standard again. A father outcomes unless you're looking at Looking at blood markers as far as it goes standards and levels cholesterol by those things which in some states depending upon which your regulations are therapies. Can do those things right. There's usually some kind of certification and all that you can pay but it's certainly something that you could look into and potentially do. That would probably be your only those biomarkers runner look at But that's GonNa Tell You. Essentially how's the engine running right what's look like under the hood because if it looks like? Crap Bull? No wonder you're not getting out right. Yeah I love that. That's cool. That's cool look into you. Know if there's if there are areas where that's in your scope of practice at something that clinic could think about and see if that their their local community would benefit from that and so then they could add to their to their services. They provide reasons behind behaviors and nutritional determines really sets up future success. That's just I mean. Part of a good subjective but it's also part of what you mentioned before when you went to give the talk in Annapolis you did an analysis and you looked at the community of where you were actually going to be. That's part about knowing your audience knowing your knowing your community knowing your area class individual would also pause to if you're trying to serve population you know and it's not just nutrition. It could be moved me. It's just a different mindset different thought process. Yeah that's cool What else do you want to share anything? We haven't touched on that. We want to share with the audience. I think we Kinda ran through this pretty well. I think that's good You know kind of building on the first episode went over to practice and really just looking at that patient a little more and just knowing that they have a lot of things going on and for this particular time in our life right people have a lot of things going on and you know you don't know unless yeah. Yeah that's a good point. You know something something that just popped into my head which is a line from a previous episode with a guy by the name of day Katrina talking about what innovation is like a lot of people think innovation. Is this really scientific process. That needs to be perfect and he breaks it down to innovation is seeing a problem that everybody says. That's not my problem solving that problem and I think the nutrition component if we really as a profession start paying attention to this more. We can be really innovative because now we know that dieticians obviously this is their that's their wheelhouse but if we can bring in some you know some attention to our practice in terms of their attritional needs. That's innovation bringing that in is innovative and then being able to work with your local Dietitians collaboration so innovation and collaboration right now just paying attention to the thing that we all not along and say. Yeah. This is important mental health and nutrition and sleep. What are you going to be doing about it so asking those questions is Is An easier way to do that. And maybe something more advanced would be those bio markers and that's going to be something a little more further down the line but I think just as starting with asking. That question is going to be a step number one. I mean essentially just starting that conversation right and just you know not only the clinician thinking about it for the patient in front of you to start thinking about their eating behavior change. Yeah what's what I love that innovation correct? Yeah it's innovative. Bring is actually innovative. You don't need to use a piece of technology and APP or virtual reality or anything like that to be innovative. Doing something you know is doing it well and doing it regularly. That's that's innovation right. Their website website. We can send people to want to kick that to him. It's fuel PHYSIO DOT COM. Patrick can also be found on twitter instagram at the fuel physio as well as facebook at fuel physio. You want to do a parting shot. I think it's appropriate now right. This is the parting shot. Rock the world's leading kinesiology tape is bringing you your parting shot more than just a tape company. Though a movement company giving you the classes the education and yes the world's leading kinesiology tape to get your patients moving stronger longer. Find out more information about rock tape and how you can apply with your patients at rock tape dot com slash medical rock tape dot com slash medical. So parting shot at some always. Do on the show. I feel like people are looking for little tidbits and motivation. Any parting shots that. Come into your brain right about now. I mean right now in mentioned way around beginning of the perfect time to really think about what you're eating gas but then also take the opportunity to look into growing foods right. Yeah especially if you're at home with your kids right because they're not in school. Starting a vegetable garden with them is I mean. This is the prime season to do it right. Yeah and then take advantage of it ends at the time that you have right now. What do you have in the garden? And how hard is there are some of the things to to maintain? What what's your Go-to as a registered Dietitian and you put in your garden so I ended. I've got to the gardens one on the back of the House and one on the side. We get different things so much on the day. I'm expanded bocom this year. So we've got. We've got tomatoes. We've got peppers Zucchini eggplant squash. Brussels sprouts backstop. I've got cobain's carrots. You could say. Does strawberries blueberries blackberries. Yes a good stuff you you've got you've got some pretty fun stuff there all right. Well maybe you'll get to try and now now that I've evacuated New York City and I'm I live in upstate. Now a New York now man. I got some rooms and grass and trees. Maybe maybe I'll see if I can dig up my brother's backyard and put some food in their man here even so even if you live in a pot tighter you're right and we say you can actually grow. I want to try and so it doesn't Doesn't have to be too crazy right. You don't have to have the built in garden bed right and you can start very simple. Love it Patrick appreciate you stopping by like having you come in every couple months and reminding me in the audience of why nutrition is so important and how we can better equip ourselves to help our patients something for for thought for the next episode. You come on. I've had some people reach out and ask me what my thoughts are on the different food delivery services. I just started using a hellofresh. Maybe we could do a breakdown of which one of those and take a look at which ones offer the healthier recipes that something I want to To note see Since I started doing that recently because I'm not that great of a cook but this actually makes me and makes the and the food actually tastes good. I have no idea how I pulled us off. Maybe we'll take a look at that As a section of next time you come on her good. I've been arrested McConnell research. Patrick appreciate your time and be safe. Good luck to you and the MRS as you guys go forward. You don't WanNa see some pictures online Once you get that new delivery and we'll talk again soon thanks again. The PT PODCAST is a product of PT Podcast LLC it is hosted and produced by PT podcast CEO Jim McKay and Cbo Sky Donovan from Marymount. University we talk pt drink beer and recorded. This has been another poor from the PT PODCAST PD intended for educational purposes. 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