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Episode 65

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Episode 65

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BONUS  Game of Thrones S08E05

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55:00 min | 2 years ago

BONUS Game of Thrones S08E05

"They. Hi, guys. Welcome to foia reference. We have a very, very special Baroness at the sorry for you guys. And it's one of our first collaborations in its our first collaboration on our actual podcast. So very excited your special very special. So you've got your regular hopefully still loving her skating. And we've got a very special. Yes. Would you like to Jesus off? Names, Christian Garcia co host of nerds, the friends podcast. Hey, and I'm I think we're a bit night on friends. It's kind of culminating altogether. Just let it happen thing. Just let it happen. So if any of you guys have chained into Algave, thorns episode that we did a couple of weeks ago, I did say Begum that we weren't going to do an episode by beside. But, you know, we gotta go, where the cool kids are we got to talk about what the kids are talking about. And there's been quite a lot of buzz with the law season. A game of thrones has so before we actually even talk about the most recent episode of game of thrones. I just wanted to touch on the change all petition Krishna you aware of this petition. Oh, yeah. Where they're trying to get them to change the writers and change. The yeah. Do you wanna give us your hot takes on this? I don't think. I'm trying to gather with. So I think I understand that people are passionate in their in their fields. I have my feelings, but I don't think anyone should ever try to dictate a storyteller how to tell their stores. That being said it's not the two guys who are running the series on HBO. Always forget their names. Think once I. I. And I believe. Martin actually told them the ending. So it's actually George R Martin's ending. So I mean if people were having feelings, stop watching, you know, but to try to get them to change it like. That's when you go into the territories of band the snatch like Mira. Right. And that will be the first game of thrones of embodied have to choose to choose wall, people would do every stage like normal thought it's happened. This is how it was blonde from ages ago and just accept it and go on. Yeah. It's just you know, if if you feel that strongly just stop watching, like, don't, don't try to get them to change. It is what it is in. I've had many discussions with a lot of people in. I don't know if you guys talked about, like the foreshadowing the but they've kind of been hinting at it for a little bit. Yeah. In particularly the season. Exactly. And I'm I literally just watching entertained trapped me. And he told me that this was a Las as and without mentioning that their prequels. So we're going to vote for that, then she white. But yeah. After seventy hours, I still don't understand what the be cope is about the nearest and feel free to listen to I gave up aside, if you haven't heard it, but it was quite clear that she wasn't Aleida. Oh, she wasn't delayed of that people thought she was, I think people just got caught up in the frivolous. The of the dragons, and all the fire and all the fanfare. Right. And I mean if you go back to even season one when Cowdrey go a burn her brother's melted, his face off, she didn't really react, too much to. She kept a very straight face and granted, he was terrible fucking person who totally deserved it, but it was still are probably, you know, and she just kept a straight face just never showed any remorse for that at all. True. And it's just because I didn't really think that oil I didn't think too much about the nearest character like, I don't know why that is. Katie was just so adamant of how bought up awesome. She is from the get go and brought up points that I really didn't think about the much I love to hear it. Tell us. Essentially, she's like I said in game returns episode. She's the, you win in its worst non-functioning form in our presence, there makes you believe something's going to happen, but she doesn't genuinely do anything. It's all centrally empty gestures. She goes into towns that she doesn't understand the context. She doesn't understand the social structure, and she in her words, phrases slaves, but she doesn't, you know, facilitate a structure for them to be able to thrive for them to have livelihood. It's kind of like the to fend for yourself, and even the way that she was living in a pyramid people aren't there for free people there, their free will people need to clean Joyo boss and cookie favored and you know what I made like the way that she wanted to live a lifestyle supported the structure of having slaves, and it's all kind of phone soup official sort of willing. But, you know, I I've seen through the. Thaws. I've been best friends since George our modern sought. So I think people just got caught up in the dragons, and all that sort of nonsense there, but just to go back to the petition as far as I lost check two seconds ago, nine hundred and ninety nine hundred thousand signatures, albeit what, what babies nine hundred nineteen thousand so they're pretty much going to hit the one million Mark. Seaman this, you know, guys who's listening in if you're one of the ones upset fan fiction, you who go write your own story, hosted up have people read it. I dunno. Everyone's just being a big big baby about it. I just think anyone who, who didn't see coming just really wasn't paying attention at all out and say this was a hard turn on the season. What there have been hints about it throughout the whole time? She's like she killed all the leaders of the Darth, Raqi, did not care granted, they weren't the greatest few. There's just been so many so many hints, even the names reject. I won't take credit for this, but it was something that I read that I felt was like a really great hint. So the three dragons names drug on for Cal jogo Rygl, who was her junk in the Syrian, who was, or evil brother of the San was the one who got turned by the white walkers and attacked her just like her brother evil, you know. You know. Rangel was the sensitive. One in. He was the one that got taken down in inside spoilers. If anyone has seen it. By the great joy, and he was the compassion. So when he went her compassion wit, and who was left drogue on. And what was he a fucking murder Drago did not give a shit? He just murdered. So I mean like anyone who just just wasn't really paying attention, if they're that upset being your feels but fan fiction guys just read some facts. And then I think he was just a normal guy. The guy that started the petition and then he recently, put it up update, essentially, backtracking and being like I know nothing's going to come out of this petition and spoiler alert too long didn't raid, essentially nothing tangible has come out of this petition and he was kind of saying, you know, I appreciate all of the work of the riders, and blah, blah it was like, really dude. Like he's. So you're gonna stir the Shia and then after. It's my mom. I just I didn't get people and I do understand that people need an escape. But I think at the same time as much as you love something, you don't earn it you earned the shar, and it's kind of a privilege to be able to step into a world. However, problematic. All, however, that was, Yep. Beautifully said one hundred percent in q. I am the woods Smith of the town. There's not much else I can do except for being a bomb aid, but that's another story, but really where most in a world that we, we don't really set up the structures for that. And, you know, a lot of the time within our podcast, you know, a lot of the qualms that I have with things, we watch is not having a cohesive of story. Right. But even in that I accept whatever it is for, whatever it is, as as much as I wouldn't rank burns as one of my favorite Shire's, there are so many elements that get me giddy. And there are the so much character development that you can unpack, you know, full for everything that it is. They're all good parts and bad parts. And you know, if things don't go a certain way. You kinda just need to accept it for what it is, you know, even if you if we're talking about terrible X machen, as like Mafa with batmans permit, there's nothing we can do about that. Game does nine favorite show. Oh, okay. We've AT our modern. He'll hope you. So going back to the Las tippy sewed exit seven, right? It's a whole five five. So we see it starts off with virus, and we'll Avars Varas been through out the whole show, more or less so that the most recent seasons because we also know that he's had problems with the way his character was retained in the later episodes, that he didn't really accept. You not my, my thing with him like he's the master of whispers and the master spies by NC that come in like, come on known a little bit. Like e you know, you didn't he has not survived that long, because he's an idiot, you know, he must have had semi DEA but they had to cut him out. Yeah. I think we all knew that the writing was on the wall full virus. But what I did appreciate if you if you contrast, his as he wanna call nemesis Bayless, there were both fading, their own self interests. But I guess, on some point you could argue that virus had more of a virtuous self interest because it wasn't necessarily about him. As diluted as it might have been. Hey, believed that he was helping the greater good Bayless was all about himself. More on the didn't even give him an opportunity to reacts to Bailey. She dying like it just didn't hop in the two of them want nemesis from the get go. And he's bossing was just washed up if you know Bailey should never existed at all. I was reading that there was a scene that got cut out when the whole aria and sonza beef was going on that they were actually. Ready to take each other out, and it wasn't until sonza spoke to brains Lijo shit. I got like a human fucking record over here that reads all of history. So she there's a scene where she speaks him. Any basically lays out everything what's going on? And so that all sonza in aria plot against little fingers to me, is why don't you cut that out? You know, that would have been a great scene. But I guess they figured it was said without being said. No. And can I just say Aidan gillen who plays Baylor? And he also plays Kakheti from the wire, I will stand him till the NFL can time and I will fight anyone that tells me Hayes on a great actor. I love seeing him game without known says is not a great officers. Just wasn't the best positive thrones. But I'm still building up, my anger donate to find someone. So anyone wants to fight me. Well, the thing is like, that's I would say, that's the test of a true, great actor like if you can really hate the person like they fucking sold that part, you know, like if you genuinely hate little finger just goes to show how great of an for. Jarvis little some stuff. It was something it will something with his face to face, like you just want to do you suck it out of my mouth about very punishable. I think I think the parents just all the costs, coal Noah like you know what kid we found your purpose? We. There's probably beat the shit out of you. We're gonna make money off of that someone. And now someone's publicly going to do it. Let's share it. Let's share the punching bag with the world. He just, I think some people are just born with that face. And whether whether it's a blessing on not you've got Joffrey, but even before being immersed in the world of game of thrones Joffrey was the west and boy was I wrong. He he was the worst in the sense that he was just born terrible. But there will some real problematic sort of characters, and we've listened to your recaps in your recent episodes. And I think you guys got up to episode three in your most recent one. Well, it's hard. Because in my mind we just did this last episode of just hasn't posted up as it gets kinda confusing for me 'cause we talk is linear. I am at work. So I guess it was episode. Three was the last. Yeah. So that's I'm but even in that you guys were talking about sciatic remember who specifically, but told you about Cissy sweeping into save the day I would love to hear you guys will he you on pack that, and I am so sorry. I also on the concrete for your for your decency. That was not. That was not me. Cody speak for himself. So who or actually that might have been Nelson? Our guests say, so you're not you're not standing quaint sassy, no, no eight. Fact, if now now that I'm thinking about it was definitely nothing as for some reason he loves her. He he's kind of like the dude, like who likes taking the opposite point, you know, like I think, if you were to ask you would be a Trump supporter just to like piss people. Yes. But like I don't think he really feels it as much as he just likes to be intact. So he wants to fight. I feel like Nelson and I will get along just fine. Although I think he actually he actually would back up like full heartedly believes the whole thing. That's a no, though, don't you feel like Saucier, become more likable in recent seasons. What have you been watching? I'm staying. That fights. And you just have to sit there and deal with. Let's go. I would say the only slightly redeemable thing is, you know, how much she wanted those elephants. I mean that was kind of nice. The out of out of all the things that says he did the most unforgivable thing that I just I just completely, like dismissed her in every sense, was when she was a cold wildfire stuff. Grainstuff which essentially was to get rid of the tyro, family and also the priests. But in as a byproduct of that Tolman was so overcome by that he committed suicide and all of these seasons associates ridiculous. And she said hateful, but redeeming quality was she loves her kids and for her to not have any, you know, maybe she considered it, but for her to not really thoughtfully plan out that this might actually affect Tolman to the fact that he might commit suicide that was on forgivable to me. Why think those the whole point why she locked him in the room. She figured he was safe that way. But I guess that no one considered putting bars on the window and off. You went. I think the aqua me on game of thrones is just one of the lost the high sceptre religion. That's west Sossio was like, ooh actually gloves. You do that for me. Get rid of this just put an end to it, and you know, yeah thinking back that whole cult thing was kind of pointless. There really wasn't much came out. I'm just soaring. Saucy doesn't really care much about anyone else other than. Jamie and family. And even then she was ready to kill Jaime. When, when he's like, you know, a these fucking white walkers as a problem, we gotta go take him out. And she's kind of like, no, I don't wanna do it. And she was it looked like any other challenge from him. And she would have probably set the mountain on him. I was I was generally scared for Jamie in that, that was season. Seven oh shit. She really, she really gonna do it and, you know, well she didn't. There wasn't. There was a part of me that did worry for Jamie. But then, I think it was in the same episode or was very close to that when she kind of bluffed with Tyrian as well. And if she wasn't going to kill Tyrian. She wasn't gonna kill Jamie. Oh for sure. Now, we'll say this Jamie's an asshole, what he did to brand with fucked of, like, okay. So hormone is interested. I love I love me a good one. Right. And he just like, oh, no, no, no. I know. She's interested in me. So I'm gonna go do that in. Screw you is fell more than about to- much. You'd never be anyone's faucets. Why not? No. I mean, the giant slayer you really want that as your first. That's, that's a good point. Ten decide to him some candles put on some Barry white. No, no, no. No giants pain. I don't think I'm so this fan fiction out there. And this is this is giving me an idea if I had enough time, and if I had enough hot ache to start a podcast on. This is a very common terp within light-heavy and movies, like the popular guy to flowering, the girl that doesn't really get attention as a way to help her like you're doing her favor. Why is that a thing? I don't know. I don't know. And he destroyed up right after a material matured, solemn me. Yeah. Like I gotta go back to my terrible sister. I have to go handle that. Yeah. That, that whole part. Like what, what dick like he didn't have he could have just left in Ghana, sir. See, you know, he didn't have to do that to her. Do you think when after he fought the great joy, the ankle, your on after four your own great joy? And he had a fatal wound. So he wasn't really going to last much longer as far as we know their rooms. Right. So after he pretty much got that fatal win. Do you think he went back to soci- because he knew that there wasn't any semblance of him living? So he was like let me just I my sister. You think he did that as a true act of love? No. I think I think in his mind they were gonna scape. I mean he saw the dinghy and you know, he he it was so much he cared so much about search there when he saw fuck boy, great joy. He was just like, hey, we gotta go help search like he didn't even care that it was like him. He just wanted to get to her so nothing in his mind you thought he's gonna survive, what I would have loved to seen, because I don't think sir, she suffered enough is I thought that they were gonna he was gonna rescue her. They were going to get to the dinghy, there, going to take off into the water and in the water, he was going to, and then certainly would have been truly alone with no one. And I just figured such a great sad, tragic ending for her. But no, they gave her the the falling on a building. Yeah. I think though those a lot of outrage because essentially, she died from rebel and full for all of the evil Ness, that shea spawned out into western he definitely deserved. I think Immo painful. Death. Oh, yeah. For sure. I think it was fun, the way she got to me, like she died with Jamie seeing Jamie, all Batard and wounded. That's the worst thing she could have ever seen. She doesn't really care about Haas off in terms of, you know, she was ready to kill herself to kill hustle. And Trump wasn't kid, Tom, but that was that was seasons ago, though, by just shows you how much should refer to dive into let anyone see them suffer. Now, we'll say when she where she did suffer was, like watching her lose the battle because in her mind, she's like I got this, we took down one dragon with the scorpions. This is gonna be cake and like just having her hand tally. Like, hey, we need to go said, no, no, no. You're gonna take out the dragon with the scorpions, like, no, the fleet is gone, and they. Okay. Well, we still have scorpion. No, those are gone too. And when they breached the kingdom, it's it was. Just just seeing all that confidence just slowly drain at her was was the best, but not enough. Great not enough. A lot of people have this theories before this started how they wanted aria or saunter to be the one to kill saucy. And I think that's one of the things that drove the petitions like ou our fear reason rolling, and we didn't get what we want to, like, yeah. Maybe just babies. You know what in like it's I guarantee you, those are all Americans there, those are definitely all American nation. No, it's true that people are just very soft. Here's you know that's the show get over it. You know, there's going to be more shows, there's going to be spinoffs. We're gonna we're still going to get great. Is there anything else to capture off about suic- Jamie because we've got other characters that we should probably capture off from the last episode. That. I think that's fine. Let's let's, let's go back to deniro's. So they came a people point in the battle, where the Lancaster army surrended, and that would be the time to grant amnesty and move on in a maybe not in a happy sold of world being moved forward in ways of how to live better together. And what did what did the nearest to guard? Guards. Every patent rampage. Well, so I guess I'll play devil's advocate. I mean, she did see, like forget, her name was Sunday. Yes, she was the most beautiful. One of all, like she saw her beheaded Jawara's dead half of her first people. The the courts guy. Rocky gone the unsullied half of them gone in. Joan doesn't want to Falker anymore. I mean, that was that was one of the parts where I thought it sold her character little short, where she tries to kiss pulls away. That's his right. You know, he's sent his very important. And when she says, okay, if it won't be love than fear. It's like really because you didn't get the dude like now. But. I will just chalk it up to all our advisers dying, and everyone was turning on her. I mean, various was trying to poisoner like Cher paranoia was accurate. So I can understand seeing like, all right. I'm going to I'm gonna wreck some shit. Then does thing Tyrian for being smart and seeing shit throughout the whole season to a whole series of game of thrones could not see the nearest big loosened. This point. I Chuck it up the same thing, as John is blind loyalty. I think he was he was he was seeing what he wouldn't not even like the way that I might and Tyrians, one of my favorite characters like even in any sort of TV Scher with Tyrian. He was he was always win the truth was. And he even betrayed his own family, because what they were doing fucked up right? So for someone that has such a high standard of morality in, in his dist distorted sort of morality. But in for someone that would follow the truth, and way things make sense. It didn't do that. I did make sense that he would follow the nearest even in her spiraling into insanity, don't you? I just I would just. I mean, I agree. But I guess in order for me to buy. It's just that he was completely loyal to her anyone he wanted to guess so. But from unexpect- from Jones. No, because I'm not really expected much for him throughout the whole thing tier and just hot a difference level to him, a different sort of intellect that he was a couple of steps ahead of everyone else. They kinda hinted that yes, he's very intelligent. But he he's human. He makes mistakes. I mean like with the whole the exchange with him in Santa, you know, he's like you believed, sir. See this. She would help. Like I thought he was a clever man in the rounds in all the rooms. So I think he believed because of her love for her children that she would help out, but you know, he was wrong. I mean he's not he's not perfect. He's right most of the time, but, you know, those are just he made two mistakes, and they were, they were really, really big ones something that I thought was that just doesn't make mathematical sense to me is, we've had there's been five episodes. Right. So let's say generously, there's been like six hours with or even the last three episodes of season seven 'cause nothing happened in those last episodes. I feel like the pacing is really weird because all of this sort of undoing and all of this turning against. The nearest. Aw. It seems like it's all happening quite quickly like and it all needs to like, wrap up quite soon. Even though this been big stretches of the long night, if you will, will the pacing changed when they ran out of Georgia's material when Georgia's material, it was all very character based khaki driven character growth. I mean if you go back and watch season one how much fighting in action wonder there wasn't really a whole lot. So I think when they ran out of his great material, and they started to, you know. Wing it on their own. It changed the pace a lot. We get the whole traveling from one side of the round the other in like, you know. You know, I don't know a couple of hours like with the whole when John the crew is stuck behind the wall, and deniro fluids, dragon. And she got there really fast. I just think pacing change when they ran out of book material. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I appreciate the bookish soda context getting for. But even. Okay. Let's, let's go back to John Sner who really doesn't interest me at all. Like I donate an upgrade myself way, he hasn't tasty. He's very loyal, but that also makes very boring. I've said this before you can name him Boston. Number one, and I would just keep on moving. I would about an eyelash but for him to be a tug Aryan, do you think in, in any sort of way that informs how things are going to end? Or do you think it was just a nice twist to have? I don't think that's our Gary and this is gonna play at all. If you read the books in, I'm forgetting her name, but his stepmother where guests step onto hated. She. Yeah. Catlin. She would look at John and out of all the children. He had the most stark in the other children, resembled more of her family in, and I think that's kind of that's the connection between him and his uncle Ned. You know, they're both extremely loyal and the stocks are known for that. So I, I don't think that's the tar gayness is gonna play out. I mean he didn't get the benefit of being fireproof. Yeah. He can ride the dragon. But that's I mean Tyrian also touched the dragon, I don't think the targeting played too much in there. I think you're right. I think it was just kind of twist that was thrown in there. I don't think anything's gonna come it. I don't think he's gonna take the throne, I think at the end he's just gonna go Yama go back with a tormented ghost in just hang out. You know, pass, I think in blooms full letting dinners, do it. Like destroying the whole city. He'll take it upon himself to just say all the his my fault on the listen. I was warned. I just didn't see it. No, for sure. And he's, I'm I think he's mad at his own people. I mean, we saw someone from the north trying to rape one of the women and he took him out. I think he's I think he's done with his people's. Well, I think he, he is just done with all of it pretty much. Who do you say, yourself taking the third well who will? And who do you want to? That's the one thing I don't know I could try to guess a lot of things. It might gut with tell me tearing would be a good leader. But he's gonna die. Yes. Oh he's gonna be killed. I don't know. To be I don't think Johnson, take it. I, I, I don't know. Sometimes it's sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's nice to not have a presumption of who it's going to be because then you can just enjoy the journey. All I will say that people going to be pissed off, regardless of what's going to happen. People are going to be mad and probably have another brand. I will be jumping on that petition. You'll see me at the top of the list. No. I think he's gonna he'll probably create raven the dragon. I think it's going to have the scene. Where is gonna try to John in either Arias gonna kill her or brands gonna take over the dragon prevented I think? Either Arias gonna kill a deniro right before she tries to your car or that brand is gonna take over the dragon prevented. I think that's an obviously, it's going to be a face off between John gray worm, and obviously John John's gonna win. Yeah. I did what's like a really brief interview with Joel Madden. And I think for music are, but there are asking who's someone that's hard to rightful because notoriously. He says that Tyrians one of his favorite soda characters to rightful. And he said that brand is one of the hottest cactus for him to rightful also. Because he's the youngest in game with our and I think that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I, I mean, I've been watching couple interviews with him. And I think he, he I think he's kind of written himself in a corner, which is why he hasn't written any more of the books. I think he had ideas in plans that he was. Fid to do Rina's of the books in watches the show figured it out. So he's okay. I have to switch this because he, he likes surprising, catching people off guard, and I think, because people were guessing accurate and correct. I think he's just kind of wrote himself to a corner, and I don't I don't know. I don't even know if he's gonna finish the books to be honest. He might just leave them. Yeah. 'cause I'm shown miss those books or want those. Well, I mean easies an older guy. I mean he's an older guy. He's got two more books since the first book came out. It's been about twenty three years. Yes. So I mean that's, that's a long, long time. He's passed a dark tower of Stephen King. So Stephen King was twenty two years total. I believe knows well, I think I think it's always good to, like legends bay legends like let great things be great things, I turn into JK rallying and not making up things because you wanna be relevant again. I like it here. A lot of people getting mad. It's what I do. I'm all about the salaciousness. Hey, I love it. Those comments weren't by by the way, those were not sanctioned by nerdy. I don't want any of the Harry Potter fans just waiting for our invite te'o podcast. I know it's definitely going to ramp up now. All for sure you welcome in. So do you want to do you have any sort of envisioning, who's going to take the throne or who you want a think to hostile take the throne? I don't think he'll he'll be killed. I think it will be he'll find a way. I'm sure he'll find a way he's little. Hi. He's probably hiding under rocks of words. Way too. Yeah. Waiting time on better to lead the king of other than tier. You know what I was hoping they would do? I was really, really hoping and I felt like it would have been great TV is, if Genry would have tried to maybe not try to take the throne or someone brought up the fact that he, he has a rifle claim as the Basser son of Robert, you know, Roberts goer. He successfully took over rooms and I was really hoping that there was gonna be some kind of conflict or face off, but Nope, you're not a Basset anymore, you get this castle. Okay. Have fun. You know, it's like. There would have been great drama right there, that, that they just kinda let go. And I think if you were to visualize four quadrant, sort of scale, you have people that a skilled and valuable, and then you have people that are not in one of power, and Gandhi's skilled impalpable. So he's probably not the best to. His a great blocks Bill. To be the king. No, he's got a ton of work, fixing king's landing, so, you know, he's, he's gonna get paid. I think one of one of the most interesting things is watching something and consuming something for what it is. But then going on the Twitter later on to sing. The people are watching things completely differently. I think it was in the first episode of season. Eight those this big hubbub about Ganji and how he's the playboy of the show. And we just didn't see that at all, but they will like compilation clips of injury. And it was ridiculous. No, excuse me. Hadramut is the playboy of game of thrones, hundreds and get it. I'm still waiting to see his pain. Dude, he pulled two girls in the north in the background. If you go back. Has the Starbucks Cup debacle? You see him in the background talking to two girls. You put one arm over the other one, and they walk away, as a yot my man, just left with two girls like that is awesome. It is. And do you think it's do you think it's the motion? What do you think it's a size? Let's, let's unpack these, these are important. Well, you know, you fully romanticized him. So let's sexualize him. I figured it it's gotta be both. I mean if he I mean, Tyrian got him a whore, they get paid. That is what they do to hear. He had a funerals. Yeah. And they were like yeah. No, we don't need the gold. That was awesome. Like I'm saying it's both. I'm saying he's hung and the most definitely both can sing is I don't think that's true. So you can have like host the coin toll serenading. Yeah. Yeah. I guess if anyone who plays D, he's definitely a Bard. He can sing and he gets laid. So what do you think of Sansa? She leads the north. For sure. John doesn't want that either. She should have been a little bit more tactful of house, you gonna tell Aaron it was very easy for dearest figure it out in his right. That's one thing I do with generis John should not have told him if he was serious about that Herbie the Queen, and he was gonna follow her. He should have just kept his mouth shit. Everyone lies their family. Everyone lines of their family. It's like just just don't tell them. They've never known. They know him coming from a favorite frame of reference, where I don't care for deniro's. So I might be biased. But maybe pussy was whack. Maybe it wasn't as good as. Maybe maybe she was five, but not in a good way. I don't know. Or, or John just got a magic dick. Maybe it's the other way I mean do she was ready to just throw everything away for that d-? Maybe who knows. We, we are asking the world's biggest questions. Yep. Padraig sticks dick size in dinner fire on the good. We need. We need a preface that that's very important. Let's talk about an just out of respect say click gain. Let's talk about gain and mountain because facetious has been a build up of the standoff. And I think it's very good dynamic that works in a lot of movies and TV shows of brothers fighting each other, you know, years and years of resentment way it's play fighting when you're young, and then it just becomes full and fighting and combat, as you get old. Let's talk about them. I so. I love the hounds character. He was true through and through throughout his he wanted revenge. That's all he saw. He didn't care about anything else. And the fact that he cared for aria as much as the hound could I wouldn't, I think, in the beginning was more protection than later grew onto respect as if you will. But that one scenery tells her you don't want to be like me. This is not you still have. A chance. But this is the outcome if you're going to do what you wanna do. So I thought that was pretty cool. That was in when she when she turns, what did she say? You're good, man. She turned his at something and in the, the awesome, Han solo hounds way, didn't say anything. You know didn't say it back. So I felt like those two had the best ARC's definitely. The fight scene was one expect will fought mounted would pretty much just the hound with one blow since he was all modified into whatever thing that was. He was the Darth Vader. Pretty much us just a very beefed up vein. I didn't expect the hound to less many punches in. Oh, he was fueled by years, and years and years of hatred. You know that she'll take you far. On the like on the scale of strength in game of thirds. Would we say mountain is pretty much open? He's definitely the strongest yes from grad string stop. Yeah. Period, we can just pack up and go home now. I mean who would you say would be? I'm just wondering what or even I'm what was you guys mentioned the giants Daniels set. Giants named on the one I that doesn't count one one was that account 'cause he's not really human. But then I mean, we're talking humans and giving he's a humanoid I wouldn't. I don't think I don't think it's fair to compare giant to human. So, but if we're if we're going to obviously, yes, one one the giant would be stronger, but I would say human wise, definitely the mountain now he wasn't the best fighter, but he was definitely the strongest that full brunt and Brown. Also, he's showed a lot of skill in that last battle when the hound was a swinging his sword. I mean you can see late moving and dodging at one point even kicks the sword. So I I don't know if dying key gruesome. But he was he was showing some skilled sword, fighting Fisher but the mountain killed my bedroom, PASCAL and I will never forget the mountain for that. Oh, he was by far my favorite character. And that was the most irritating. That's that's one thing. I can't go back when he squish is head in, like the scream, he gives out, just felt so real. Matched my scream when I was watching. Well it was pride he killed himself. Really? I mean, he had him dead to rights all he had to do is stay away. Just arm's length, bro. You had a spirit. Close. He was a showman. He was in and I get it. He had him on the ground, and it was just like do all you had to do is stay away. That's all you had to do. But yeah, that was really rough to watch any anytime. I can say pedal, scowl sex playboy. I'm hateful. Yeah. No, he was used definitely. He was definitely one of one of the greater cactus him. Interior probably end torment, but torment because he's ridiculous. And is he have we pretty much is that pretty much the end of tone, the we never going to see him again? Now. I doubt it him. And goes you know if anything anyone should've started a petition. It was for ghost leaving in how John did ghost nasty like bro. You can't give them a hug. You can't go shitty. Come on. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you save the day, more than John Sner has. Oh, and the in zero really irritates. The, the guys who fund the show were saying like oh, yeah. We don't have enough money. It was really hard to CG goes. But yet they went back in CG. I'd erase the Starbucks cover. Yo you got raise money. We don't got ghost money like come on, guys. Like that was just about to mention that because someone in your podcast, talked about the budget went awful the dragon, and there wasn't enough regards as well. So I appreciate the love you gift occurs. Oh yeah, for sure he was. He was awesome. Yeah. And the books are very a very wolf heavy too. I was willing to see American comeback to oh now snake on. Yeah. When she didn't really acknowledge air anymore. No. That wasn't Mary senses one. No ours. Scientists was saunas killed. Arias was the one that she sent free. But, you know, the wolves are obviously reflection of their spirits in aria is wild. She's not a Dame or Madame or lady, she doesn't do courts and same thing with her wolf. She's wild. She needs to be out running and murdering eating things. I did I did shed a few tease throughout Gema thirds and eighty percent of it was about the dial. Yeah. They, they got a rough and particularly rob in his wolf laid, they got. He's a very forget of character. Because I only recently saw watching game returns, but not been watching game of thrones forever, and he didn't even pick up the he was in the body. God. Just really bothered faces the body ghettos. I okay. All these. Again. You said it. That's all. Oh, that's like what do you mean? I think he's less recognizable than that drama from coal played was in game fans. Oh, no. Oh, what was it? The ginger. You're all right. No, not cheering the drummer of coal play was in the red wedding playing drama. The whole thing. I'll send you a link. Did I had no idea all these people? Well when disagreeing with you. Sukey say around all the babies will love us. This is about right there. Okay. Well, let's capture off is a well. We pretty much culminating to the end of game of thrones as we know it 'cause I'm always about how could -ly? And there's going to be one more episode left. Do you guys have any final four? Is there anything that you want to say other any characters that you feel didn't get enough, love all got too much love like Sam well? Like, do you do want to capture a final thoughts like how many people died so Sam could survive? Right. Thank you. Thank you. No. But. I mean, I you know, he's probably, I mean, the theory is if he's the one who wrote the story of fire night. So obviously, he had to survive does suck that a lot of characters had to die in order to keep him alive. But I, I don't have anything against Phil like San will tally is Joel Jaro Maden. And that's why he's that lovable always said is really. I'm like, how you become the most pivotal to the story. Oh, yeah. Martin said that. He he based that character off of himself. She's like I would be the bumbling idiot, who would almost die multiple times. I don't like how much I I'm thinking with the shirt. Look off anything else Christian save me. No. There's just there's. There's going to be people are going to be pissed. I think there's a lot of. Plot. Subplots aren't gonna get closed like the. The faceless men. You know, we'd never really got too much. So interesting. Right. And you know it was down. They did so little with it and cereal Hurrell Arias dance teacher. He he alone took on unarmed like with a fucking wooden sword. Took out four armed guards. And there is also. I mean you don't see him die. And there was a scene with aria in the hound, where when she's telling the list of the people, she's gonna kill, and she mentioned, the dance instructor or the water dance instructor in the hound athlete who killed him. I forget the bastard, you know, night, girl them and he laughed. And he said, like, oh, the any like any horse sun with a knife with a butter knife could killed him. So, like I always figured, oh, you must be alive, or maybe he was a faceless man because he was from boroughs. There's just so many things that they could have done that they left left alone. No, I'm just ready for you to end. A little stodgy. Do you think it's been? It's on a great run. It's given us all it could. I think Arias one of the most favorable for right characters in this. She's been consistent through, our think one of the only ones Sansa has really done anything in the show, other than the few episodes, and even though you know. Yeah. I mean she was right about generis don't trust her. You know, I think her I think her gut was right. But how she went about. It could have been better. I think that you could rename the whole show to that title, right? Well, I, I mean, I hope Tyrian makes it Hobie survives. I doubt it. But I'm hoping I think once you allow yourself to just accept what's going to happen. A what will happen and not run a petition on it. You're pretty much a good place. I don't really think I have any sort of seven says of what I want to happen. I do want to see some pain, or at least let him be like the new Lord Baylor. And he can run his own sort of brothel. He wouldn't even need to pay me one, because it was just give them that good dig, and they'll be fine. Oh, that's always gonna pay his you just, just with the that would satisfy a soul. And I'm speaking. Yeah. But I'm down. Right. Right. That show in will will pimp it out. And I'll let me get my typewriter. Am I in the right century? I'm pretty much fine Rian pretty much had her storyline to field. I'm not really looking for anything new to happen. But that's pretty much it Christian. Do you know much about the prequels on what is going to call? I believe it's going to be Robert's rebellion. I think I mean yeah. That'd be that'd be great. It'd be cool to see the you know. Yeah, Robert fight the tar Garin. I think it was Reagan. That should be a great fight scene. There's so much to do, and we finally get to see Ned back, which would be great, although it's not gonna be, it's not going to be the great being, but it would be someone else, I believe that's what they're planning on covering sounds. Sounds interesting that might be journey that retained Christian. You need to take a loan without me. He went get. I think will appreciate that shouting at the screen every two seconds. But I just like just getting mad at Ben not like a mad Queen, sorta way just mad Queen like, yes, Queen all the queens. So let's, let's wrap up in Al podcast. We do have a segment code for your reference, which is our name with pretty cool like that. And it essentially covers you know if you've watched game third, if you liked it or didn't like it as a movies and TV shows that you would recommend to people to try out in reference to the reference to game. Yes. If you'd like to. I don't know. I guess I mean, the closest thing I would say, it'd be Lord of the rings. But with less boobs. Yeah. And then withhold your Bruce, because he start to get famous. I'm looking at you. Deniro's. We got to see TD's like full, the first few seasons, and then she just lift them away from us. Fame does, you know, you start getting famous, you could start on your own rules, too big for britches or shirts. That's one thing that's one qualm that I have in the second one is a titty to dick ratio. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cody Cody, I don't know if you've heard up so where he agrees that there should be more Dix. The he he has three dick rule, there should be at least three dick in. I don't know why three but that's just his sweet note. Kitchen. Give throws off to watching south buck as this episode where it refers, a lot of like sex scenes with a sex. Would be this is like all around. She starting what should give throws like not at all. I was in for a good time. I was like, is this the moment vision or what? No, no not enough Dixon cinema. And we, we don't get enough. We don't get enough screens. If you think about the internet there, away move free digs out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People just throwing out, dick. And I love this is the way we're going into. Anyone anyone wanna change the topic? No, we can talk more. Dick's, if you like sure, I'll from San Francisco, there's just no difference to me. Whatever all the takes all the Dix. Dickson payables, stay tuned for our spin off. Well, thank you so much Christian. We've loved having you. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah. Thank you so much. And welcome to episode be doing. You've been really great. Thank you. Do you guys also walk them? The come on whenever you guys like although we'll have to work on time because gets a little wacky with me being because we live in the future. Did you wanna plug socials of podcasts? So w. Dot marriage with friends, podcast dot com on Twitter, marriage with friend his space, same with a friend. Me. I will respond love hearing from people price and with for your pot in most places and he's. I think some guys. Thank you.

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Gov. DeSantis vows to defund Florida schools for being too liberal

All In with Chris Hayes

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Gov. DeSantis vows to defund Florida schools for being too liberal

"Tonight on all end arising republicans star order the thought police to college campuses. I know a lot of parents when the things they worry about if you send a kid to a university or are they just going to basically be indoctrinated tonight. The new law that would defunding colleges for not being republican enough and a new low for bankrupt political party then. Today's key plea agreement at the epicenter of january six prosecutions as an accused. Oath keeper cuts a deal and cooperates but the white house takes on rising gun violence in america. Why president biden is in the unique position to do something about it really cheesy to shoot. We're fortunate and former dnc chair. Tom perez and the state of the damned and his big announcement about running for office starts right now. Good evening from new york. I'm chris as ever. Since human beings started congregating in institutions of what we would call higher learning colleges universities even monasteries conservatives. Traditionalist have been freaked out by. Just what dangerous ideas were being shared. Their i mean really. The whole dangerous ideas are coming out of. Universities is literally as old as universities themselves. It has been a core reactionary concern for millennia. Just like everything else. This old thing is new again. Which brings us to the most recent republican freak out in florida. Which as you may have heard has the governor there. Rhonda's calling the creepy thought police to campus. He just signed a bill. That will quote here require public universities and colleges to survey students faculty and staff about the beliefs and viewpoints to support intellectual diversity. Not only that he has gone suggests. That budget cuts could take place of schools are found to be quote indoctrinating. Their students which is to say one imagines those surveys don't produce the right answers for santa's and his buddies on its face. This is a pretty outrageous. Use state power. Converse could worse the beliefs music people by surveilling that bright and threatening them to punish them if they have the wrong views mean rhonda sansa claiming the mantle of freedom of conscience free speech. But what he is doing here is quite literally the opposite of that. I mean it didn't take very long for the mass to fall off all these folks like santa's who pretend to care a lot about free speech to start essentially suppressing it or compelling it when it doesn't say what they want whether it's in bill's in steakhouses looking to ban teaching about certain aspects the history of racism and structural white supremacy in this country. Which is what at least twenty two states are doing or already have done or to himself saying he will require students to get instruction on the quote evils of communist. Okay but to me the most fascinating and revealing part of this has to do with the politics that are driving at all politics. That are the center of this. Moment and rhonda. Scientists said this thing when he announced yesterday that to me was kind of a tell. I know a lot of parents. One of the things they worry about. You know if you send a kid to university they just going to basically be indoctrinated or are they actually gonna be taught to think for themselves challenge assumptions and really be critical thinkers and learners. We obviously want our universities to be focused on critical thinking academic rigor we do not want them as basically hotbeds for stale ideology Well let's talk about the indoctrination. They're right kind of always in the eye of the beholder. I mean to santa's clearly does not think it is indoctrinated. The bad thing to teach kids that communism bat is bad as a state mandate. That's just education right. And i have no doubt the concern expressed here by governor santa's real. Here's what i mean because there is something happening in american politics around education specifically higher education. That is one of the prime drivers of the politics of this moment. So first of all there's the generational aspect right. Which is that young people going off to college and then coming out of college. And into the workforce are the most left leaning generational cohort by far it shows up an exit poll after exit poll. A recent study published by the american enterprise institute that found that across fifty five schools only twenty six percent surveyed students are conservative some degree and half the students are liberal in some capacity and i imagine there are pro from parents with maga hats in places like naples florida. Who are genuinely terrified that when they're eighteen year old goes off to florida state. Come back not being super size about their parents. Political views real thing. That happens the world. I'm sure parents have said that. Dorando scientists at some fundraiser. it's a microcosm of a bigger thing. Which is more generational which is at our politics are increasing lead dividing along the lines of education. Even when you control for other things right some demographics across race or income people with higher levels of education are more liberal those with alleged less education more conservative pew research in fact found that from two thousand fifteen to twenty nineteen the share of republicans and those lean republican saying colleges have a negative effect on the country went from thirty seven percent to fifty nine percent. This educational divides particularly sharp white people in two thousand twenty. Joe biden won fifty one percents of white college graduates while getting thirty two percent of support from white non college graduates right big divide. We see that educational divide every election night when we look at the maps the different regions or areas or neighborhoods were votes are coming across the country. Here just one it random right. Here's indiana basically allred except for a few blue spots where you have the big city indianapolis right and what else. Oh the college. Towns university of indiana and notre dame a real thing governor run santa's is putting his finger on these colleges people go into them that come out liberals what's going on except a solution for is a perfect example of the kind of cultish authoritarianism. The butter republican party under donald trump. They have a political problem clearly. Winning over college educated voters political problem winning over young voters particularly those coming out of college in record numbers by the way right because college attainment levels keep going up and up and up every year. So what do you do about that. Well as opposed to thinking about what that would mean for reformulating the party either it substance or its message the solution they come up with is to just take the sledgehammer of the state to the institutions of higher education everywhere. You look now with republican party. It's a party. That is incredibly strong and robust. It's party controls. More than fifty four percent of a local state legislative seats across the country dominates absolutely dominated huge swath of america and yet the republican party has lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight election. Seven the last day looks failed to attain a plurality or majority and so they have given up on figuring out how to appeal to a majority of the country instead the modus operandi now is trying to find ways to use the power they have within their circles right to entrench their power even if they can't reach out that's the logic behind voter suppression. That's brand road recession. If we reduced turnout we make it harder to vote. Well then we can win without persuading new people to join our collision. It's the logic on the display in this bill which is rather than trying to figure out how to appeal this court if people were moving from colleges and coming out liberals right college educated voters who are moving away from us. Let's just try to coerce. These institutions with the possible threat of budget cuts into enforcing some kind of ideological with virginity and litmus test. It's particularly ironic for governor to santa's who is in the state of florida has been a fairly deft as a political operator. Repealing some of the people donald trump has only needed. I mean recent as last month more than half a flirting is approved. Job us doing in that sense. He's negotiated the politics of florida pretty well. But here's the thing national aspirations. This is what the national party demands. Which is why we go to war on the libs and all their institutions institutions that now apparently include the united states military which we will have more later. That's the version of the modern republican party. The party of the forty fifth president previous president has made it part of the forty seven percent that's trump's vote percentage forty seven percent. How do you govern with forty seven percent in a democracy you need a majority how to use the power from forty seven percent to protect your power. How do you give up a winning majority of voters but keep power in your hands with the minority. That is the focus of the republican party at this moment. Jollies former republican congressman who represented ford of two thousand fourteen to two thousand seventeen tracy. Mcmillan cottam is a professor university of north carolina. Chapel hill offered the book lower. Ed troubling rise. A for profit colleges in the new economy and they both join me. Now you've written and thought a lot about the politics of education particularly higher education. I i was curious what you when i heard. Two sad to say parents are telling me they're worried. I heard a real complaint that he has heard from parents. Which is this idea that this is what happens. We have our precious little kids and we bring them up for our values and they go to colleges and they come back without them. I doubt that that is a real concern. But a real concern that has been that has been directed at the santa's does not make a legitimate concern. One grounded in reality. And that's the distinction. Of course we have two things happening here mation campaign and a disinformation campaign and you see the merging of the two things come together in the moral panic over critical race theory right on one hand. You've got the misinformation campaign which mischaracterizes a legitimate sub field of academic study nine critical race. Theory has tenants has proponents. Has it scholarship. It is however not taking over higher education curriculums arguably economics perhaps has done that but not critical rakia read is legitimate but it is not the central work of most institutions of higher education today but the misinformation campaign confuses people about the legitimate tenants. What critical race theory means then. You've got the disinformation campaign. That's the campaign that labels any idea that the conservatives find disagreeable as critical race theory this misinformation disinformation campaign as you so eloquently point out is the sort of like last. You know gas of a powerful party that is still however intellectually impotent intellectually impotent ideology and party. You know what. It'll do chris when it cannot win. It will cheat. It will cheat and so if you cannot compete compete in the marketplace of ideas. What you fundamentally dishonest is joining you. Ask the market protectionism right. It doesn't wanna compete against ideas about learning about poverty. You're learning about the real history of this nation or global capitalism so it wants to cheat that is consistent with modern day republican republican politics but it is inconsistent with intellectualism. That is very very very well. Put david you know the the the sort of the anxiety here and this driving fact that education polarization increasingly is one of the big stories america fault. It's actually story across the entire world right. It's happening in all kinds of places. It's amazing for me to watch. Republicans turn against colleges and match right as a cultural thing. I mean you've got parents who are middle class. Upper middle class affluent folks. Who like i want my kids to go to college. Who are now turning against the institution like what. I don't like this that yeah chris. Each week brings continued. Affirmation that the republican playbook for two thousand twenty two. we'll be culture wars. it'll be a war on education. It'll be descriptions of critical race theory. It will be issues around immigration and crime and enlarge part they will manufacture these anxieties and republicans will follow along it. Fascinating governor desanta said. The premise of this is that parents worry about their kids. Going to college and being indoctrinated i would suggest that if parents feel secure in their beliefs and in the belief. They've instilled in their children if they feel secure and the beliefs of their family. They're okay with those beliefs. Being challenged in fact the greatest value in public education would be teaching their children to think critically to be confronted by divers ideology diverse thought. And so i would suggest if the governor was secure in his own beliefs and his own convictions and if of the nine people in that frame if all eight white men and the one white woman felt secure about their convictions and the way they brought up their children i think they would welcome the diversity of thought that occurs in our college campuses. That's not what's at play here. It is performative politics and it is geared towards twenty two. It has geared towards rhonda. Santos's presidential run. And chris. I will say one thing about ron to santa's presidential run rhonda santa's is more successfully executing trumpism than donald trump himself. Hats absolutely as he may not be the next president of the united states but when there is a next republican president. I do believe it'll be rhonda. I think that's very true. I also know that like this is at one level stunt t but the other like genuinely creepy when the survey start going around your professor. West's like ask answer your views as like hold by the state which is surveilling them. I i wanna play this bit of sound which is adjacent. I opened the show by saying look conservatives or traditionalists worrying about universities is as old. It's millennial okay but turning this same kind of culture where thing on the military is remarkable to me like they have now now. The argument is no the another bastion of woke radicalism in america is the pentagon and this was. This was the subject of exchange today with mark. Milley whose army general at a hearing today take a listen to what he say. I do think it's important actually for those of us in uniform to be open minded and be widely read and the united states. Military academy is a university And it is important that we train and we understand And i i wanna understand white rage. And i'm white and i won't understand it. So what is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building and try to overturn the constitution of the united states of america. What caused that. I wanna find that out. I want maintain an open. Mind here and i do want to analyze it. It's important that we understand that because our soldiers sailors airmen marines and guardians they come from the american people so it is important that the leaders now end in the future do understand. I've read miles. Say tongue i've read. I've read karl marx. I've read lennon. That doesn't make me a communist. So what is wrong with understanding having some situational understanding about the country which we are here to defend. And i personally find it offensive that we are accusing the united states. Military are general. Officers are commissioned noncommissioned officers of being quote woke or something else. Because we're studying some theories that are out there that was started harvard law school years ago and it proposed that there were laws in the united states antebellum laws prior to the civil war that led to a power differential with african americans. Were three quarters of a human being when this country was formed and the way the civil war per proclamation to change it and we brought it up to the civil rights act in one thousand sixty four took another hundred years to change that so look i do want to know and i respect your service and you and i both green berets. But i want to know and it matters to our military and the discipline and cohesion of this military. One note matt gaetz definitely not a green beret. A green partying. But but i just thought like that was a pretty good distillation of the response. Dressy i thought it was excellent. I can't believe. I find myself agreeing with the general pretty much captured. Not only what critical race theory is but why it is important to the both the intellectual endeavor and to public life and this is an important turn that i think democrats are going to have to make that. I don't think that they have yet made For various reasons but critical race theory is anti. it is performative massive resistance right. Isn't that grand tradition. It is a guest a long list of things. What the general did there that is. Actually i think really good politics and just really good for the health of public debate is that he made an affirmative case for what critical race theory contributes to public life. And i think more people are going to have to do that. More politicians are going to be called on the carpet to do it and it cannot just be people of color it has to be someone the most powerful thing he said there are to my mind was. I'm white and this matters to me. I think need to see that happen. In public discourse i will note that in the history of the us armed forces the two most deadly words they fought were against enemies committed to the cause of white supremacy and racial superiority. Probably a good thing to study. David jolly entrusting mc millan cottam. Thanks so much for making time. Chris so far some of the most serious changes related to the january six attack on the capital of involve the oath keepers with sixteen members of the extremist group facing conspiracy charges. Remember that footage of them walking up the capital. There's still a lot of. We don't know about what they were planning. And who is involved. But that may be about to change. That's because today in a federal court we learned one of the so called oath keepers. Cooperate with the government. We'll talk about what that means next back in the end of may republicans blocked bipartisan legislation to form a commission to investigate what happened on january six when a mob people attacked the us capital since. Then there's been an open question as to whether house democrats who of course hold majority would take matters into their own hands and essentially panel that our own investigation yesterday house speaker. Nancy pelosi announced that she's looking at creating a select committee to investigate the january. Six attack on the capital or office did clarify. She would still prefer a bipartisan commission. And she will announce her decision. This week i wouldn't hold my breath. The bipartisan commission and the fallout from that fight plays out. in capitol hill. Federal prosecutors are moving forward with cases against the nearly now up to five hundred people charged in connection with the attack and today in washington. Dc courtroom a first the very first sentencing of one of the riders forty nine year old grandmother from indiana who pleaded guilty to illegally demonstrating in the capitol building. She received three years probation. Forty hours of community service and a five hundred dollar fine. We also saw the first guilty plea one of the government's conspiracy cases connected to the riott fifty four. You load great in young lead guilty to conspiring with other members. The far right militia group the oath keepers and also a charge of obstructing congressional proceedings. Key is now cooperating with prosecutors. Who agreed to drop four other charges against him. More video evidence continues to come out day by day by day. This new video released as part of the government's evidence again. Brian mock minnesota resident. You can see him in a hood wearing a backpack right there and shoving an officer to the ground right there. Scott mcfarland is investigator reporter. Nbc four washington. He has been knee deep in these cases all these developments and he joins me now. Scotland's first start with what the expectations were going into that first sentencing today and where they kind of came out based on where those expectations might have been what we learn from it. I think we learned chris. This is a very impactful day. It was a really good day for the prosecutors in a really bad day for defendants. Here's why anna morgan. Lloyd forty nine years. Old grandmother from indiana walked into court today pleaded guilty to the lowest of charges unlawful parading and picketing. She apologized to the american people. She said that she was surprised. By the savagery of january. Sixth no criminal. History no evidence. She assaulted anyone to evidence. She damaged anything or in cited. Anyone and her sentence is exactly what the federal prosecutors wanted three years probation and continued supervision. If in this case what seems to be among the lowest of the low cases the feds got what they wanted. Perhaps that sends a message. Chris to the other nearly five hundred defendants of what awaits the. What's the significance of the the oath keepers aspect of this and real cooperation now on a conspiracy charge. Where know. obviously there's going to be a ton of different people. They're gonna they're to get various. I think sentences depending on the severity of what they did but the question here of like a broader case that moves up a chain of organization. What's the significance of of that play in the cooperation. This is another reason why it's a good day for the prosecutors. Great young at this point is the high water mark of the prosecutors. The first person charged with conspiracy to plead guilty another oath keeper pleaded guilty but this is one of the oath keepers one of the group they conspiracy charge agrees to cooperate with the prosecutors agrees to testify before the grand jury that should send a chill down the spine of a lot of other defendants. We have a cooperator. Who's right there in the heart of the case. The fbi director has been quite clear about this. There are different tiers in this federal investigation. One tier includes all the people unlawfully in the building. Didn't hurt anybody or assault any want the other tier those who were violent those who conspired those who were equipped the say the oath keepers. Didn't just show up. January sixth that they conspire and plant came with military gear came with encrypted. Communications formed a military stacked or breach. The capital one of those people is now cooperating with the feds chris who is running. This is this just the local district. Dc frontline assistant us attorneys who are sort of coordinating all this. It's a little bit of both. Yes this is all coming through the washington. Dc federal courthouse. Not bentley's right there on capitol hill but because there are so many cases coming into such a small courthouse. They're bringing in extra helps you have prosecutors from other jurisdictions coming in to deal with the backlog or the show point of cases what's more you have other federal defenders coming in. There's only so many federal defenders less than twelve in dc. We need the outside resources because of the tonnage of cases the i can imagine this is like trying to watch the snake. Swallow the pig like there's there's there's only so much throughput that any of these systems have five hundred defendants again in very high six cases here where you also want to like. Make really sharp distinctions between the different levels of action. People took there's a huge spectrum. Chris we saw today we saw one of the most serious high profile defendants and one of the lesser defendants but in both cases in both cases the feds got what they wanted. Scott macfarlane who really has been an indispensable resource on covering this story. Thank you so much. I appreciate it coming up. The president's response to rising violent crime across the country and why he's in a unique position to do something about it of the most fascinating aspects of the biden presidency. Is that this man. As president is a kind of time capsule of american politics or the last like five decades at thirty serving. Seventy eight back in the late. Nineteen eighty s early nineteen ninety s as interpersonal. Violence and recorded crimes were skyrocketing up. Joe biden was one of the people who was leading the push among democrats to quote. Get tough on crime and to appropriate the law and order politics are richard nixon to their own ends. I know it's hard to believe but this very day violent drug offenders will commit more than one hundred thousand crimes on this day alone and the sad part is that we have. We have no more police in the streets of our major cities than we had ten years ago. People are saying by the way. Why are these predators on our streets. Why don't you put them away for a long time. Let me define the liberal wing of the democratic party. The liberal wing of the democratic party is now for sixty new death penalties. That's what's in this bill. The liberal wing of the democratic party is for a hundred thousand cops. The liberal wing of the democratic party is for one hundred and twenty five thousand new state prison cells. It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society. The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe. Shoot my sister. beat up my wife. Take on my sons. So i wanna ask. What made them do this. They must be taken off the street. You really get a full sense. There of the rhetoric right the rhetorical pitch the messing their view of how to deal with this. So in the mid nineteen ninety s as crime began this historic fall right from over seven hundred and fifty violent crimes per one hundred thousand people at its peak to ultimately less than half that by two thousand fourteen. Democrats bragged about the crime. Bill which biden help right as one of their great accomplishments i practically put it on their business cards but then also by twenty twin the us had four percent of world's population and nearly twenty five percent of the entire world prisoners be vast criminal industrial complex was swallowing entire families and communities generations misery not to mention state budgets. Violence ability resulted the punishing. Racial disparities made the entire system. Look a lot like as author. Michelle alexander famously. Called it just a new jim. Crow new reform movement began to push for d carson non police solutions for violence and by the early parts of that twenty. Twenty presidential democratic primary biden was on the defensive over what had once a signature accomplishment in his own. Mind this idea that the crime bill generated mass incarceration. It did not generate mass incarceration. What happened is the mass incarceration incurred by the states setting mandatory sentences. I mean that's partly true but remember. That was the guy we've around. The bill was saying there could be one hundred. Twenty five thousand new state prison cells right then of course came george woods murder and the largest civil rights street protests in a generation a year pandemic and rupture of everyday life. Like we've never seen one that coincided with the single largest one year spike in homicides since one thousand nine hundred sixty eight one study showed homicide rates were thirty percent and twenty twenty from twenty nineteen while aggravated assault and gun rates in two thousand twenty six percent eight percent higher respectively this year as far as we can tell the data's really patchy for all sorts of frustrating reasons. Crime numbers appear to be on the same pace at least violent crime specifically most importantly and despite the to stick rhetoric on the topic from proponents of mass incarceration those increases happened in cities almost uniformly no matter what their policies were or whether they had district attorneys who are criminal justice performance or not or whether the added tour took away from police budgets and so now many voices both republicans and democrats and more than a fair share. Pundits are looking to revive the old politics law and order where we are today. President biden came forward offer remarks on one of the most fraught subjects in his own history in the nation's history and at this pivotal moment how to ensure fellow americans are secure from violence in a nation where violence is common while not consigning millions of our fellow americans to a quasi permanent existence behind cages. How he plans to try to balance those imperatives next a long time and there are things we know that work could reduce gun violence violent crime and things that we don't know about the things we know about schools offer the summer. Teenagers are tough neighborhoods. Who are up neighbors. No jobs more trouble. We know summer job training summer jobs training and recreation for young people work. The help make sure. Young people pick up a paycheck instead of a pistol. President laid out his plan to address the nation's surge gun violence calling for more funding for law enforcement a ban on assault weapons and renewed investment in community violence intervention jobs programs like the one you mentioned there biden has been in national politics from nearly half century and we have seen him quite a bit. On the right way to decrease violent crime gun crime interpersonal violence. These now landed on an approach. That is kind of i. Dunno the above includes increasing employment opportunities. Preventative measure as well as way to help formerly incarcerated people enter communities. Philip tip is the co founder and ceo center for policing equity professor of african american studies and psychology. Yale university britney. Pack cunningham is a former member of president obama's twenty-first-century policing task force and now the host of the podcast undistracted. And they join me. Now i know both of you have been thinking about these issue a long time. I just want to start philip. With what your reaction was to the outline of what the president laid out today. Yeah so you call it sort of everything and all hands on deck sort of thing and i gotta say. There's a number of organizers that we work with Who are frankly terribly disappointed by it. The number the amount of money that's going towards new law enforcement increases in law enforcement at a time when law enforcement got about as high as ever had and still we're seeing violence. Go up that's going to be disappointing. In addition the kinds of services that are necessary to prevent the need for law enforcement in the first place that's not just community violence interventions. That's also mental. Health substance abuse child welfare homelessness services. All of those things. We also know work. We don't need to put just evidence based by at their scientific consensus around the fact that you can prevent violence and giving people the resources they need those. Don't show up here and also we're talking about potentially billions of dollars going towards organizations like life. Camp run by eric afford by community organizations. That have actually been doing this for a long time. So there's good in this and there's rough stuff and this and i'll say it's a little bit dispiriting but not just stuff that's not in here. It's the timing of it. It feels too many folks as if the only time that we're paying attention to violence when there's black bodies on the ground or there's one political party saying the other political party is doing enough not enough sustained attention in the middle so my hope is that we can break that trend after past this moment for what do you think. I couldn't agree with phil more that tends to be the case. Look i think what's really frustrating here is that we hear the white house. Say that Handling crime and transforming public safety don't have to be mutually exclusive. And i agree in fact if crime prevention and community support is done correctly. They are complementary. But i worry that in a plan like this these historic levels of investment. In hiring more police officers and expanding police budgets will actually undermine the kind of investments that we're seeing In community based interventions in the work that people like air forward and pastor. Michael mcbride are doing. They commissioned a study. Those organizations commission to study under the coalition live free and sixty eight percent of community members. Want federal funding going toward community based solutions. I people want to want from the federal government to really understand that the resources we are asking for are not a radical idea and chris is should not be radical to invest in what we know works community based intervention gun control direct relational interventions public health approaches. Well-funded social services. Those are things that work and that shouldn't be a radical idea especially especially if those funds come from bloated police budgets which continues to be an institution that's not actually giving a good return on that investment. They sell themselves as being able to prevent unsolved prime and over. The years have simply not done of that. There's no reason why we should keep trying the same thing and expecting a different result. You know james. Foreman professor yale law coca colleague wrote this amazing book in two thousand seventeen won the pulitzer pulitzer locking up her own about the politics of african american voters and community groups and the greek crime surge and mass incarceration one of the points he makes quite well as that there were these calls from neighborhoods that we're really undergoing tremendously traumatic levels of interpersonal violence for more police presence and also a lot more community investment and when it got to the state legislature like they got the cops and none of the investment. This is like a very old story right like the sort of both and then it's like well we'll get to that and later and i guess the question for you. Philip is like when i talked to policing people on this right there will always is look. I can't control the level of investment. I just got a police our way out of it like the you know. No one's going to get an argument from the west chicago. East side of baltimore's underinvested like clearly. It has been for seventy years. But i just gotta go out there and do my job. So don't talk to me about all this sort of like liberal investment stuff on on some level big gotta point if you wanna complain about the way. The budgets are abortion. It doesn't make sense to go to. The people who got the money should go to the people who are making decisions about where the money goes. As when i talked to a police chiefs and and union votes. They say the same thing only. What's what's what's in front of bust. I think that's exactly right because part of what we gotta do right now. We've got to change the logic of what is the problem. How do we get out if the problem is that some folks just love to crime need to stop. That is police. This is exactly the right side of things and you know tough on crime is the right way to go. But if the problem is we've given a bunch of people terrible options and they make some choices within their right. Well then we gotta change their options and that's the root causes of violence. Nobody thinks the root cause of violence is simply. They'll cops around because then we have problems in bridgeport the same way that we have in boss brady. Where do you see the com- this conference. I mean. there are a lot of talk to in this sort of activists world organizer world. Who are worried about the conversation on crime because we you know i wrote a whole book about it in two thousand seventeen called the nation which is about like watching the crack panic of new york city when i was thirteen years old in my city when they were really more like a crazy number of homicides really did get very dangerous in new york and it turned into the machinery that produced the kind of mass incarceration state that we now have. Yeah i mean the great irony here is that we have a lot of people setting prescriptions for communities that they are not part of and then when those communities actually speak up for ourselves. People don't want to invest in the solutions that we have built the fact of the matter. Is we actually can have communities from the ground up if we get to these root issues. That phil is talking about and organizers activists that is all we have been pushing for. We want safe streets. We want safe communities. Many activists and organizers in this movement are survivors of a criminal activists ourselves. The bad the matter is we know personally what this feels like end still we believe sped faith communities does not mean lock more more of our people it safe communities actually means investing in our people. So we're very tired of being the punching bag and the punchline of far too much political rhetoric that blames us for things that are not our fault and fails to spotlight the continued abandonment of our communities. We wanna get to these root issues probably more than most people and we want to actually make sure that the funding and resources that we deserve to do that are had by our communities. Philip a tuba gov britney pack coming a great to have you guys back to keep this conversation going. It's not going where appreciate thank you ahead former dnc chair. Tom perez made a big announcement today about his political future is here to talk about it. Next twenty twenty election was crazy and historic for lots of reasons. We're in the middle of a once in a century pandemic and despite that and republican efforts to make it harder to vote. Americans voted in record. Numbers or ballots were cast in twenty twenty than any other election in the past one hundred twenty years joe biden one with the most votes ever cast for presidential candidate. More than maybe one million man who oversaw that. The democratic party is tom. Perez former chair of the democratic national committee for as rose to national prominence the obama administration when he served as assistant attorney general for the civil rights division of the justice department and then as secretary of labor now he is getting back to local state politics. He has announced. He's running for governor of maryland seeking to replace the outgoing republican governor. Larry hogan who is term limited out and tom pres- joins me now tom. We've added on the program a bunch of times. I've followed your work for a long time. You know elected politics but and talk to people about whether they want to run for office and it's interesting to talk to people that even people were interested in public life who've done a lot of stuff like there's a lot of downsides or running for office you've dial for dollars a lot a lot of there's a lot of things that keep people away from it like. Why did you want to run for office. Oh the opportunities to make a difference here in maryland our unlimited. I want to run for governor. I'm running for governor. Because i wanna make sure that every maryland can realize their full potential. I wanna make sure that we're punching above our weight as the state not punching below our weight. The the national reckoning on race Chris is taking place here in maryland. And i've spent my entire life as you know. Fighting for economic justice and racial justice and these are the things we want to maryland and we have a democratically controlled senate democratically controlled house. And they've done her roic work but they need a dance partner so that we can go. Even further we can combat climate change implement e educational reforms. Making sure people have a good job. And i want to bring my experience my proven track record of accomplishment to bear and when you can help people at scale that's what it's all about making sure people can succeed. There's three three republican governors in the eastern seaboard of the country who are in states that are very democratic at the national. Lovely fills gotten vermont. Charlie baker massachusetts. And larry hogan who's who's leaving in maryland hogan has been remarkably popular in your state which is a plus thirty democratic state. Why is that the case. What have you figured out about why he has been so popular. And what does that mean. For this race larry hogan has spoken out against donald trump. And i appreciate what he has done. But larry hogan has also underperformed in so many areas Look at our blueprint for educational equity in educational reform. There's a dramatic blueprint to reform of public education in our state and vetoed it and the democrats had to override it martin. O'malley ten years ago was the national leader on offshore wind. And then larry hogan came. And now we've been overtaken by other states. And so i really believe and again i i appreciate that larry hogan spoke out against donald trump. So did i. I worked for four years to get rid of donald trump and elect democrats. But we need to do more. And we're punching below our weight here as a state. And so i believe now with donald trump. Not on the ticket. You'll people are going to be looking for leaders. Who can move the needle on the issues that matter. Most we are a purple state chris. And there's no doubt about it. We've lost democrats three out of the last five. And if people want to see the blueprint for success for democrats twenty twenty to go to tom. Perez dot com. Because we have that blueprint. I want to ask you you. You recently joined a firm in the washington area. It's a law firm that does a lot of practices and a lot of corporate law firms. One of those practices labor law those tend to be management side labor lawn often. What that means is consulting to keep unions out particularly some people noted that that was on the website of the loss of the law from work at and that you're a former labor secretary and called yourself proud union guy and thought. Is he going over there to like help. This love clients bust unions answer to that of course not and working at a law firm. That is paul. Sarbanes law firm. Paul sarbanes had a one hundred percent labor record. I'm looking at the law. Firm that comma harris is husband worked at for years and Some people ask kamla whether she was going to be a challenge there. I'm working part time. And frankly in a year. When i win. The governor's race. Then i will become a governor and my record on union issues and my record for labor. I'm very proud today. We were at our roll out today and we have a number of union leaders there with me. i've been fighting for unions. My whole life when verizon was on strike chris who settled that. Strike tom perez. When the west coast ports were on strike. We settled that strike. I went out there. And i firmly believe that when union succeed america succeeds and my long track record. That's what this race is about. We need governors. Who can make sure that. We are delivering results. Vision is really important. And i've articulated my visions but in addition we need folks with the necessary experience. The proven track record of accomplishment. People in maryland are waiting six months to get their unemployment check. Clinton that is unconscionable. I'm gonna make sure government works for you every single day quickly with under a minute let go You're going to be governor a year from now right into midterm election What do you anticipate being the biggest issue that no one can see the future. But what do you see. Well we need to look at post pandemic maryland. There are many jobs that were existing to years ago that aren't existing now or they're in lesser numbers. So we've got to train people for the jobs of the future. Healthcare is a huge issue. Twenty-five percent of cova deaths in maryland were attributable to the fact that people didn't have health insurance. I wanna make maryland the first state in the country where everybody is ensured a huge issue education education education is a very big issue. And we have the blueprint for reform. We've got to implement it. Those are the things that are on people's nine. Tom perez announcing he's running for governor of maryland. Thanks so much for making some time tonight. Always a pleasure. That is all in on this wednesday night.

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Knowing When to Turn Down Work

Journey to $100 Million

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Knowing When to Turn Down Work

"Hey there I'm Kevin Daisy. America join us on our journey to building building one hundred million dollars Thompson. Hey there it's Kevin Daisy. I want to take on a project that I didn't think I could do took get on any way an paid the money that they gave me back. This was the first and only time I've ever done this so let me tell you a little bit more about the story so I met with this potential client and they went over the functions and features of a website that they needed to be built and kind of deep down in my gut. I knew this was a stretch and it was going to be very difficult if not impossible for for our team to do it well took on the work. My team couldn't even do it so I went against a lot of things here. First off. I took on a project. I didn't think I could do you number. Two my team couldn't do it so I decided to do it so here. I am working on a project with a company with a team of people okay so now. I'm at home working on a project late nights trying to do this because I felt like it was a pride thing I want to do this. I WANNA try to complete complete this and show them that I could do it so again. I went against a lot of different different principals here. I was doing the work that I couldn't even do. I was doing to myself off and the probably went on a month or two probably and I just got a deposit down so it wasn't a lot of money but a deposit was given to me. Yes and I got to the point where I said this is not. GonNa work. I can't do this and they were demoing. What I was developing and it wasn't doing what they wanted to do and so they were literally like we need the money back and I typically would not have done this but I just felt it was the right thing to do. I again I. I shouldn't have done the job and if my people couldn't do it. I should have immediately said you know what sorry guys. We don't have the capacity Pasaden- or the skills right this second to do this. Here's this deposit. I won't cash it so fast four today. I don't think I would do that for one if we took on a job that we didn't feel comfortable with. We've pretty much. Put a stop to that. There's been a few things where we're like. Okay we can we can try that. We can do a stretch here. We still so you're our team feels confident that we can deliver number two. If we did a lot of work like I did I mean I put hours and hours and hours into this job. Bob and then still get their money back today. You know we would probably do some kind of refund but it'd be probably not a full refund because work was done and we have to pay people but again that was a big mistake that I made them and that made me feel better by giving their money back so I so no these guys today on. They were not that upset again gave the money back they. They did lose some time. Don't take on a project. You can't do and if you if you do and you notice that it's going to be a problem you need to speak up right away. Make it you know as good a situation as possible by San Sansa about it. Give their money back and point them in a different direction. Give them referral and just resolve the situation as soon as possible. Now I'm not saying don't take a risk. I mean I've done a lot of jobs where I was. Kinda worried about it. We got it done. The client's happy you gotta take risk but if you just know this is not gonNa work. Just Act quick and do the right thing. Thank you for listening. You're in need of S._E._O. Or other digital marketing services visit US online at this is a ray dot com.

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #7: The Dragon and the Wolf

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00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #7: The Dragon and the Wolf

"We inter was here. And now, we are just getting started talking about the most recent episode of game of thrones. Again, the. You'd think I'd have to down coal. Winter was here. And we are just getting started re watching the final episode of game of thrones. So far the dragon and the wall on the game of thrones post show recap. And now here the two guys who can finally say. And now they're rewatch is ended. I am Rob's as being here with Joshua Wigley. Were we did it? Just that we should get the theme song to the dragon and the wall right out of the way, they go. Wow. It's done. We've we've rewatch every episode of game of thrones. Goodnight everybody. Thanks. It's done. We don't even don't even need those final episodes. Yes. No. What a what a setup it's been since way. Back believe it was in September of twenty seventeen when I restarted this rewatch all the way back with the first steps of game of thrones. And now here we are ready for in less than two weeks. We will see the next episode of game of thrones. Here's a stat for you. I believe that we are rewatch of game of thrones lasted probably like three months longer than our entire recording session of the evolution of strategy. Oh. So we've been at this for a minute is the point I, and you know, we we skipped a couple of weeks here and there whether for a holiday or a vaca- or we just wanted a buffer in between seasons at certain points. But since mid-september 2017, we've been chugging along through game of thrones. When when we started when we were in the early days of this rewatch, we would get two points where we did not remember anything from the early seasons of the show. Then we started to have a really sharp memory for the early seasons of the show. And now we're back at the place where our memory of the early seasons of the show is probably pretty thin again. Yeah, circle. Yeah. And also our memory of things that happened here in season seven was kind of thin before we watched it. And so because a lot happens. So we did we defeat the purpose defeated. We did we have fun. We have a great time. I've had a blast. This has been spectacular. And I do feel amped up hyped and ready to roll or the final season of game of thrones. So we'll have time to do a true eulogy for winter was here at another point in time. Why don't we set about the business of actually talking about the most recent episode of game of thrones here? Okay. So here we are. Let's talk about the dragon and the wolf here. And so really by the dragon and the wolf the titular dragon in the wolf does that refer actually to not John and denarius who would it be? Be referring to would it be referring to Ray gar and Liana. Ooh. Yeah. I think that that's a nice really read. We end up finding out that it's a little bit of the dragon. The dragon. It's like the dragon and the half dragon half wolf half pig drag wolf pig. Right. So maybe. The whole thing was right in front of our faces the whole time. Yeah. Oh my God. Indeed. It was our Pless L equals J D, plus stuff you equals. Eighty. It's it. All right. So this episode really spends the good like I like twenty five thirty minutes of it on basically like a one big long sequence in the episode. And then we around a lot in the second half of the episode. So we are getting ready because the unsullied doth Raqi are outside of the gates of king's landing. Yeah, we're seeing the unsullied roll up. They seem like they're doing quite. All right. We see the Lancaster soldiers prepared to meet them. Everybody is descending on king's landing. Because that very exciting moment is about to arrive this meeting of the minds at the dragon pit. So everyone's on edge. Everyone's a little bit on alarm Raanan Jamie or the first two characters I two main characters were really getting to spend much time with in this episode. There's some debate about what the unsullied do in there. Free time, you know, when they get paid. What are they using that money for? Some obvious knock knock jokes to be had about the unsullied. And there is a bronze says something about the fact that they're not spending gold on family because they don't have the parts with which to create a family and Jamie responded with something lewd, which I will say so cover your ears. If you are if you're with children, though, you shouldn't be listened to a game of thrones podcast probably with small children. Jamie says maybe it really is all Cox in the end, and I feel like in McShane would have agreed with that. Who says who famously once said that the show boil down to nothing more than quote, unquote, tits and dragons is what he's game of thrones was all about wonder. So I wonder if Jamie is lying here is like a little bit of a call out to the people who are the critics of the show the mcshane's of the world made this a little bit of a wink nod to the people who are the game of thrones airs. Exactly. Okay. All right. So we end up getting a bunch of the people from the other side John interior are going to be heading over on a ship. We see them as their pro ching. King's landing Johnson. How many people live in king's landing tearing things about a million a lot of people. Yes. Yes. John is wondering why would so many people want to live crammed in there like that? Yeah. Because cities are don't say brothels superior. Yeah. The brothels in king's landing are better than the brothels in the north. I think the other thing that they're leaving out. It's like is less cold here in king's landing. It's very cold in the north. There's a better, nightlife. There's better food scene in king's landing than there is in the north that people are far less serious than than they are in the north. There's a lot of reasons I think I would go I would pick somewhere southern in western it's so expensive to live in king's landing. So many people have to move out to the river lands and all the way up to in the north because they just can't afford the cost of living in king's landing. I think that the housing situation is going to be quite affordable fairly soon in the area that was once the sept- of Baylor. Once they cleaned that area. People are going to be very afraid to live there. You're going to be able to get a real good deal because they're going to want to gentrify the place, and you'll have some of the best views in town on top of holy ground. It'll be cool. It'd be very historic. It'll be haunted. But aside from that, you know, that at least the wildfire seems to be used up at that point. You're probably at a safe space. So we reset that. We've got this white in a box that the hound. He loves messing with this thing. Yeah, he really does for his sin. Sander gain can't keep his hands to himself. Yeah. Cannot stop messing with this thing. Meanwhile, surf sea cavern, Jamie. They are getting ready, sir. See is going to give some instructions to the mountain on who to kill. I in case anything goes wrong says start with the silver-haired bitch. That's number one. Then to she says our brother that's Tyrian and number three, then the bastard who calls himself king. And then she says he can decide any other orders to kill everybody else. Any other order that he wants? Yeah. That's that seems like a decent deal for the mountain. He's probably going straight for the hound at four. I would think, but Danny Tyrian, and John I'd kill John snow. I yeah. Then I'd killed in heiress. And then Tyrian I think maybe you do wanna kill Darris. I because all she has to say as a word UCAR, and then you're ruined. Whereas John snow is one. Swordsman against presumably like the city watches there. And plus the mountain is all right. Tyrian should be last. I don't think he I don't think you're even needs to be top three. The other thing too is like I feel like this is anti, sir. See to have Tyrian killed so easily so quickly. That she wants to send them to set to Noah land. But I guess not. Yeah. Also, the mound didn't have a pad. Do you trust into remember that order? No. Yeah. It's like when you go to restaurant and the waiter is like just not even gonna write it down. Like, you can read it that you're not gonna impress me. I hate that. By the way, that's one of my big pet peeves in the restaurant Nelson. Got it. I got it. I got my wife has an egg allergy which I've discussed before so often she'll have to alert the the way to the fact. And can you just check and make sure that this egging all forms, if it's baked into something if it's used in a sauce like you just have to check it. And oftentimes like the person book. Yeah. This has no egg in it. And it's just like it's not comforting. Just check just Chang just do the due diligence. If you don't mind would be great. But also just right down the order and don't just memorize it. Because I just don't believe that you're going to memorize it. I have no reason to believe that you have that skill feel safer. Okay. So we're going to now start to bring everybody into the drag and pit John tear. Ian, Giora the whole crew Masan day, Dabo, so embarrassed theon hound. Everybody's coming in. We're going to come into the drag and a lot of talking this episode about how the dragon pit and how the dragon pit was bad. And the dragon Pitt made the drag get really tiny. Yeah. It's like it's like the the big fish small pond ethos. They guess. Yeah. And so everybody is going to start to head over there. We're going to get greeted by baron in the welcoming committee, some shades of last week's episode where we have a lot of characters either meeting up for the first time or first time in a long time and a lot of very pithy dialogue going on. I expect that this is very much going to be the case for much of the final season. I think a lot of the final season is going to be this kind of character interaction where there are people who have either never met before haven't seen each other in a very long time getting to have these kinds of seen. So I think that this scene more than almost any other. In the episode is a real preview of what's to come. Yeah. I especially like the hound and Bryanne meeting up after so much time and brands. I thought you were dead and not yet not yet game pretty close. And she's like, I'm only I was only trying to protect her the house like AMI too. And it's like NAN with only we could have just seen Ida high back then. But here we are together. Now things seem to be fairly peaceful between Brienne and the hound here in the hound like appreciates the update that Arias doing. Okay that Arias in winter fell and then the hound has. But if she's there, and you're here who's protecting her. The Papa hound is starting to emerge here. Brian says no one needs to protect your the only one that needs protecting the one that gets an Arias way. Hound says it won't be me. Yeah. Truce the hound had like a little bit of a lighten his eye when he heard that are is doing good. I think so too proud Papa and I really think so I think I think he's gonna be very happy to see are. I I'm curious to see Arias reaction to seeing the hound, but I expect there's really no reason for these suit and not let that be water under the bridge. Don't you think I feel like it's going to be good when they see each other again next. Well, I think it'll be okay on the hounds part. Hopefully, aria is as forgiving. I think I think so I think she will be I think she will all Josh back in the game of faces. There was some question about whether or not aria like the hound or not. And what did she say? I think I think she was saying that she hated to hound and she wanted him dead. And I believe that argument to hit her. There's a lie. Yes. A lie. She likes game faces. I think like Santa faces at Santa's not going to be mad to see the hound. If she you know, she sees the hound in the hands. Like, yeah. I got fight for the living with all right? You're going to be on the level this time and REM Santa by the end of this episode are very much on the same page. So I think I think the hound is going to be a welcome presence in fell. I don't think it's going to be such a big deal. Tyrian and Padres also are reunited for the first time in quite some time. Yeah. Nice to see those guys together again and Braun interior reunited as well. And that's very fun and good. Yeah. Tyrian is trying to recruit Braun back over. And then Braun is talking about how. No, he's he's fine. He's doing great. And the very least sir sees not going to be mad at him. I think he met a poor read on situation because she did seem annoyed with him in the previous time. We saw services talking about brand. But he felt like that. Okay. Bringing the traders in in front of her that was going to be ultimately a good thing for Brown. That's certainly what he thinks. We'll we'll see alternately if Bron decides to stick around Lancaster land. I don't like is shot to be honest. Yeah. Braun is actually I think in a very tenuous position here where Jamie is kind of his protector and Braun of pardon the pun is of become his right hand, man. But now as Jaime rides off at the end of this episode. I don't know who's watching for Bron the next scene. We'll see if Braun is ending like, Jamie. Wait. Bronze set a couple episodes ago that I draw the line at dragon. So you can't imagine it's going to be stoked on white walkers. But if these fighting with denarius if he's fighting on her side, and he doesn't have to worry about the dragons being against him anymore. Although there is still the matter of a little bit of vengeance. She probably wants to take out on him because he's shot. The crossbow bolt that hurt drogue on. Might not know it was him. She's very high up. I think Braun bronze going to be going to winter fell. Like, there's no reason to expect him to do anything else. Like, he the self est in him like you would think would avoid it because there's too much danger there, but all of the money that he has been fighting for is with Jamie, Lancaster. So he's gonna want to stick with the Bank his personal checking account less. He likes Tyrian. So I think Braun is going to he's going to be with the boys before long. All right. So we are going to start to load in everybody to the dragon hit. I thought that was interesting sort of symmetry as the hound was talking with Tyrian before it gets started. And the hand wants to know I'm going to die in the city. I don't want to die. I left the city because I don't wanna die in the city. Yeah. I don't wanna die in this shit city. Is what he's right all your idea. Every bad idea has some land. Mr. Bill IPE, bind rights and then each. Hound says, and this is all your ideas seems like every bad idea has some land. Stor seaward behind it and Tyrian says and some gain seaward to help them through it see through and interesting synergy where here's Tyrian with the hound. And then I e is walking in with the mountain and makes you wonder about like is there. This added layer to gain bullets going to be showing up in the final season. Because as we're about to talk about I'm sure that there's a lot of game bowl hype momentarily in this moment in the same scene. But if that's the line of every bad idea has a Lancaster behind it. And some gain to help them see it through are we gonna see like Tyrian with the hound and sir see with the mountain, and it's going to be like some sort of like rock them sock them robots kind of matchup where sir sees commanding the mountain interiors commanding the hound and they're forcing them into battle. And they're like their their overlord. In the game bowl. Well, I don't know if you necessarily need that added motivation. Like, I don't think that the how needs to fight the mountain for Tyrian. He seems like he's ready to do it. He would do it here. I think if they would let them he's ready to go. Yeah, we get we get the scene where everybody piles into the dragon pit and people are starting to take their seats and the Lancaster procession shows up and John is there, and John and sir c or staring each other down. Everybody is showing up and the hound just like walks right out to his dead brother the mountain, and he says remember me do your even uglier than. Yeah. Just that the gif of the guy just falling the camera. Everyone everyone losing their minds at the insult. Does it doesn't matter what they did to you. That's not how it ends for your brother knows coming always know couple of many scuffles break out along the way in this summit. So sir se- seems like she has simply else to be and she's where is Dan each and travel, but here comes to Narus on drogue on drogue on makes a very dramatic entrance. Roars a bunch of times. Let's Danny off Danny knew exactly like where her seat was where to go. She sits down and we've been here for some time. We've been here for at least like five minutes, and it's been like probably like two to three minutes. Not even probably like, forty seconds. Yeah. Supposed to be here at three promptly. Okay. Fashionably late. What do you want? Yeah. I've been sitting here watching the hand and the mountain argue with each other for at least ninety seconds come on ninety seconds long. Sure. Yeah. I mean, they could've had the clip gain bowl is like on the undercard here. That would have been examining just get it done. Yeah. Okay. All right. So they're talking about to get into now now Syrian interrupted by your on great joy wants to go off about the on the just stop it, man. Like, we don't listen I understand if we need to resolve some great joy business at some point down the line. And I'm saying this is somebody who used to really really love the on. And maybe a little less enchanted on the story line on this rewatch, especially of uncle you're on do not waste our time. Here dragon pit shut up sit back down. You don't need to speak right now. You're on sucks up so much energy in this scene. Even the characters are like, all right. All right. Sit down sit down. Listen. This is not about you, stop it. We've lost little fingers. So we can have your on great joy, basically. And and that's that was not worth the trade. All right, sit down early source tells them. Okay, fine. All right. So tyrian. Starts the proceedings we don't like each other. We can wage war without sitting here face to face and sees skeptical. Oh, what are we going to do? We're gonna live happily ever after and not not fight anymore. And John says, no this is about the battle of the living versus the debt. Yeah. This is about the real thing that game of thrones has been about all along. Yeah. He starts to talk about how there's the army of the dead that is marching here million people in this city are going to be turned into minions of the night king. If they don't all do something about it. Seriously, makes them sort of crack probably pretty good for them. Yikes. Stark. John's joking serious come on. I don't joke. Never. I've never told the joke in my life. A wry comment. Maybe every once in a while, sir. Sees like not here for any of this. What you want a truce you want me to pull my armies back and stand down while you guys are going hunting monsters or you want me to team up with you like you really think that this is going to happen. It's not going to happen. Yeah. Danny says look everybody's going to be safe. If you know once we deal with the northern threat, you have my word and really the word of a would be usurper. Yeah. Wow. That was now is a real take. Did you marry her usurper? Oh, no. You didn't know? You did. Did. Okay. All right sign for our visual demonstration. We'll behind the please bringing exhibit A. Yeah. I like the practical demo I think is helpful here as the hound comes back. He has a huge treasure chest on his back. It seems like it is a very heavy thing knocks it over in front of everybody and the the white emerges. And it is it is very creepy for C. She's especially like kind of like, oh God this is. No good. Right. And so this thing is going crazy goes after, sir. See it's luckily chained up the hound pulls it back. He cuts it in half with a sword. It's still alive freaking everybody out. And then John is like an infomercial mode at this point. Whereas like this actually now two different ways that you can go ahead and take this thing. Put it out of its misery. The first is going to be with fire so watch this is like doing magic tricks and like, but I'm not stopping there. And if you act now, we are going to throw in this piece of dragon glass also be used that even though it's a point thing. You could just the thing has no flesh. You just stick it inside any of the anywhere in this ribcage. Does it works? Yes. So they could destroy him with dragon glass and fire could mention Valerian steel does not write write again against the regular whites. Valerian steel just like stop them in their tracks. But he's mentioning walkers to say like there's also a third way where if you kill one of the leaders of the Y Valerian steel sword, it seems like a bunch of these. We'll just stop zombie ING. It'll be done a lot faster. We also suspect that if if we kill the night king, then all the whites and the white walkers will also see stuff function. If you read Josh Witter's vinyl path series at HR dot com slash game of thrones. You will see this theory in writing multiple times. I don't read. Sorry. Guys guy. Bob cats. News. All right. But this is like a little bit more convincing. Right. So I actually thing here. Good good. Good on John to have the practical, Des Moines. A great idea. It's so convincing your on grosses can swim. No, no like go on out of here. I'm taking onto the iron fleet. And we're going back to the iron islands. And everyone's like, yes. What are you? What are you doing? Look. This is the scariest thing I've ever seen. I got I got leave. Yeah. I gotta leave like, oh, great. Now, you're on is gone. That was that seemed out of character. Now is a coward. Everyone's in the family guys right away at the first sight of trouble. Okay. So Josh, this is where I'm getting a little hung up here in this episode. Okay. So sir see says. All right. So look I'm not asking for any sort of assurances from Damaris, but let me ask Ned stark, son. I know that you are going to be your Ned stark, son. Then your your word means something. So okay. Will you return to the north and then go back there, and I don't have to worry about you guys? Yeah. Like if I team up with you, you promise that you won't fight me when it's over and you'll just like mind your business and see what happens when the dust settles. And John's like. Problem is with that. I'd like to but I was on a boat a few days ago, and I had told called deniro's Danny, and she was very uncomfortable and didn't like the nickname, and it was a real faux. Pas and I corrected the Foco by them telling her that she's my Queen just blurted out just blurted it out, and I shouldn't have done it. But I did it and I'm a stark. And I you know, my words bond much like that guy from Jerry Maguire. And my my bond is strong Zoe. Okay. Bob sugar. Yeah. We'll know Bob sugar. He was a scoundrel, but Jerry o'connell's daddy, a real he's a traitor as well. Okay. So then I guess is to discuss here. Okay. So that's it. The dead will come north. I you guys deal with them. And then we're relieving and everybody is like smooth move. Ferguson. Everyone's like, you you blew it. Did you little jerk? Yeah. Yeah. So it's going to be left home alone. Bottom by the end of this thing, even doubles. I wish you wouldn't have done that here is nobody here that is on John snow side about we'll get into it in in a little bit. Once once everybody truly leaves Brienne is like JD ever lady. Okay. So to speak for all of us. So major bonehead move John snow, but just talk me through what what, sir. See is doing here. Okay. So serve see storms off. Okay. So fine, sir. Sees she doesn't like that. Okay. So she's impulsive, sir. See is a bad temper. Okay. That's all in character. Then what's going to happen? Just to yada yada, this a little bit. So Tyrians eventually going to go talk to sir c and then sir see is going to I guess let Tyrian discover like she is sort of like signalling that. She's. Let's Tyrian discover that she's pregnant and then uses this pregnancy as sort of like a ruse to think that maybe she's a changed person. She comes back and pledges loyalty to everybody over here. Right. Right. So this was all just like a dog and pony show that she's like, all right? Well, I'm going to ask John snow this then I'm going to storm out then I'm gonna let teary come in. And then I'm going to ask you, then I'm gonna let him discover that I'm pregnant and then I'm going to go back. And then I'm going to go ahead and say say all this. Meanwhile, I'm going to send your on great joy to go pick up the golden company. And I don't mean any of it. I mean, the urine piece I think is a little tricky to figure out the timing of. But I kind of read it as authentic for most of it of being like, oh, well that was a stupid thing for you to say John snow told not gonna work with did get mad. She really. And then and then she was like, okay. I'll just I'll just lied to them. And then just to just by my time. Like, maybe she wasn't pulse. It, but then she sort of like thought better of it. And like, okay. This is what I'll do. Yeah. And then I think like when she's talking to Tyrian, and then she comes back and talks to everybody and says, all right? We're in. I think she's pulling the old Sandra Diaz as and she has her fingers and her toes secretly crossed. And she's not she doesn't mean what she's saying that that point. She's like, all right. I I'm totally going to tell them that I'm in. But I'm actually absolutely not in at all. Yeah. Although it does seem odd at the end the episode where Jamie is like getting ready to take all the troops north. And she's like, what are you doing? I was joking. They would have a meeting about it beforehand. Well, yeah. Well, I don't think that she really trusts Jamie anymore. We'll see in that scene. But I don't also think that she thinks at any point that he's actually going to head north and blow up her plan. But when he he says that he's going to do it. She briefly threatens to sick the mount none him, and ultimately can't pull the trigger. And I think that's because for all for false. I think she does still love, Jamie. So she's just like can't bowl the trigger and execute him. Right then and there like, she's a monster. But she hasn't gone that far quite yet and may end up being her undoing because whenever Jamie reaches winner fell can be able to service. Totally totally lied about everything and going back to the John thing. This is very interesting in this episode where we end up finding out for real, you know with. Assurances that John's father is actually not Ned stark. But John actually pulls a very Ned stark move here in this episode. He's still a stark, you know, he's going to the line to Tyrian, you know, later on your great joy injuries stark, and he's ATar Garin, and he's a stark, and I think tar garrisons themselves can also be a bit bullheaded. So maybe it's just like doubles down for John snow that he's not just from the noble house of how stark, but also the tar Gary ins, you know, when you flip the coin, and they weren't insane. They were like superheroes. So Jon snow has like, I don't know. He's got like BT big tar, Gary and energy on top of everything else. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Tyrians like I'll make this right? I'm gonna go talk to surf daddy should probably be de big dragon energy. Let's go with that. Yeah. Yeah. To correct. Yes. Tyrians gonna go and drying talk to serve after John snow is like making this great overture like. If we can tell the truth the truth doesn't matter anymore and words don't mean anything and Tyrians like, yeah. That does suck the more immediate problems. To secrete line. It's a great line gray line. So Tyrians gonna talk to serve see, Jamie. Says basically goodbye to him because the from one idiot to another that the good luck in there. She's probably gonna kill you. And so she actually talk the Tyrian for minute doesn't surprise in itself. Yeah. And I'm glad that she says that because it's a great scene. Great to see Tyrian insurgency back together again for the first time since season four if you can believe it been that long and their scenes together in the early days of thrones were so good, so fantastic. And so the fact that they're getting some time together again here when there's really no guarantee that they will get anytime together at all after this moment. I think it's it's it's I think that this really act as a great vinyl scene between the two of them whether or not it ends up being that. Yeah. And Tyrian does apologize for killing tie. When he says he did it after Taiwain sentenced him to death. He did not kill. Joffrey? But that sir c has a little bit of a different view on. This doesn't matter. If you didn't kill Joffrey that you kill the father. And then once you killed father that opened the doors for the vultures to come. And she does blame the deaths of both Marcella and Tom in here on Tyrian for the vacuum of Taiwan's leaders. The Tom and one is a little bit of a stretch. I mean, maybe she saying because by taking time out of the equation, it left the Lancasters a weakened position and allowed for the situation where the highest Barra was able to show. But if you if you if you really think about it. There was really only one person who is responsible for the rise of the faith Mellon. Yeah. But I mean. Like, maybe like Thai would've said, hey media. Don't don't arm the faith militant. Yeah. And so if Taiwan had been around service, he wouldn't have made the mistakes, and it's fucking Tyrians. Okay. All right Tyrian curve on these like, all right fine. You love your family. I destroyed just kill me. Just kill me. Yeah. This is off here. I think that Tyrian would not have been furious to have just been swiftly cut and cut in twain in this moment, I think that Tyrians probably pretty tired. And if he has like an out that is just like being split into very quickly. Maybe he's maybe he's up for that. But I think also he knows that the only way he's going to be able to talk to his sister's if he's as strong as she things that she is. So for him to say something like that until I really call her bluff, maybe buys them, a little more time in the room or less time as it were. But it's just he wants to double down here. I really love the moment afterwards when he pours a classroom self a glass for her. And he says, I'm a more sorry about the children than you could ever know. And she really doesn't want to hear it. And he says I don't care what you think I loved them. You know, I did. If there's anything I it. Just a nice moment that I do think acknowledges that Tyrian is not like psyched about the fact that he has had to turn his back on house, Lancaster. He really did love his these nephew. He loves his brother. He wishes that things were better between him and his sister. He wishes things could have been better between him and his dad. This is not like the scenario that he wanted. He's just moving with the tide as it. You know, swept them up the ad no choice, but to go in this direction. Okay. So we are going to see where is starting to like hold her stomach as Tyrian is talking about. How Danny is trying to make the world better place, and sir see is talking about how that she doesn't care about those types of things doesn't care about checking her worst impulses. And she's just wants to do maybe what you're on. Did maybe you're on the right idea. Josh. Get out of here. Get on a boat. Ning take everyone who matters and leave on a boat and this whole time that she's talking about. She's as you say, she's rubbing her belly. And tyrian. He has the Kobe. She mug moment where he realizes she's pregnant, and that's the end of the scene. Yes. Yes. And so. Serfaty and the baby. Josh I want to talk about this for a second. Is it possible? Could you see an outcome for? We're maybe could this fourth child the one that was not prophesized of way back when could this baby perhaps changed I in what way could you envision a scenario where sir C N Jamie, and baby get out of this thing alive and can can go off to go live Castro Iraq or some other place and just be happy with the baby but not power. Hard to do that hard to picture that. I that. I think that sir has has bought herself ending that is not quite that happy. I have an easier time envisioning the scenario where sir c has destroyed the Starks targe Arians, and is still sitting on the iron throne at the end of this thing, and the final message came of thrones. It's just a very bleak power is power. But I think any any scenario where sir see is able to peacefully live her days out and cast really rock hard to picture who would let that happen. You know, in terms of any enemies, but even in terms of sir, see herself that just does not seem like the life that would choose to live. She's lost so much. But at her core, we always come back to, sir. See the mother and she had all of that stripped away from her. But then we do have this interest. Sting development here where she could potentially have one last shot at being a mother to somebody. And I just wonder if maybe that could be something one thing that grounds are back to this world where she's in complete. I don't give a four mode here in season seven could the baby may be changed that it could maybe change her outlook. But I think that her actions have closed those doors for her. I just think that no one would allow that to happen. I think that there's a character on the show that would allow that to happen verse to live out her days happily ever after being the mother to child somewhere. Jon snow would say that she has to die. She was good. If she's going to abdicate the throne. Yeah. John snow knows what it's like to to raise a child or knows what it's like for a child of great. Portent to be raised by another. He being that child. You know? So I think that Jon could order sir sees execution or imprisonment or whatever and foster that child or somebody else on the show, you could imagine if this this this theory that I'd I'd had along the way of teary-eyed in Santa somehow, reconciling furthest sake of politics and the good of the land deciding that they should probably try in make the marriage work. So that everybody can see that peace is still possible in the room. You could imagine them adopting, sir child. I think that there's you know, there's potentially a happy ending for the child. I think for services involvement with the child that's a lot harder for me to see. Okay. All right. So let's go then see Tyrian return to the dragon pit, Danny? And John we're going to have a moment. Talking about the dragons about deniro like holding up. A little tiny dragon. Joel look look what they did. They did to the mini them. Get so tiny little baby dragons had that the older tar Gary ins, then used to walk around with dragons in their purse, and it was very insulting. Yeah. Toy dragons toys Ryan Tyrian comes back and he's not dead. He's not he's alive. He has arrived, and he comes back, and he brings sir c and sir c comes to them with her offer or offer is she's not going to make our armies stand-down. She's not going to pull them back to the capital. She's going to March north to fight alongside everybody in the great war. Everybody needs to face the darkness together. And perhaps once this is over you'll remember that I chose to help with no promises or is from any of you. Okay expected. Not so surfaces in, sir. See is in like Flynn. All right. Sever is excited. I would love to see what happened in the moments following where everybody was like. Oh my God. That's so cool. That's so cool of you know, we never thought that this was going to happen. Like you. That is really awesome, sir. C. So you. Is a little do. They know it's opposite day everything. She says a lie. Okay. So let's go up to winter fil because we have a lot to do with little finger and Sansa. Yes. Much to do with little finger in Santa the final few things for Santa to do. Yeah. And finger rather they are talking about. Okay. Hey, did you hear John bent the need to deniro's? Yeah. That seems like it seems like a questionable choice center. All but I hear that. She's very attractive, and you know, Janis single. Yeah. They're probably going to do it on a boat. Yes. Okay. But Sansa doesn't get it even the living inside the cabin alliance. But she doesn't get it and doesn't get what what is Ari up to also then she doesn't know and little fingers saying like, do you think you would really kill you? It's like, yes. She's faceless men. Okay. So little finger does something his little exercise in these scenarios that he tries to think about people's motives X to magin the situation of what's the worst possible thing that anybody could want and this moment in time. Yeah. And so like, okay. Well, what do you think? What do you think? That aria could be up to and they arrived that maybe she wants to be the lady of winter fell. Yeah. And says. Oh, man. So crazy that is crazy. So we got to watch out for Oreo. Yeah. She's definitely somebody who could pose a real threat to Sansa stark. Yeah. This game that little finger plays. Also, not as bad as the game of faces. No. This is a pretty good game. Actually. Okay. I mean, I think that this is a useful tool. One is the worst possible thing that somebody could do to you probably can help you out of a few jams. Also drive you into like paranoid spiral. Could also potentially help you quite a bit. What is the worst thing that somebody could be trying to do to you make you rewatch all this stuff in Carthage? Yeah. That would be great. I don't know. That's the worst possible thing that you could do to me. Just generally, I'm probably some form of physical torture would be worse. But this I think Carthy is probably a close second. Okay. All right. Let's go. Check in on Danny and John as their big planning meeting. How are we going to get to the north? What are we what are we doing here? Are we all going to get there? We can all fit in one car. Yeah. I love that. This has to be like a conversation. That is featured in the episode literally like just like figuring out car pooling arrangements. We really need to set up. The fact that John and Danny are going to be on a boat together. I think we need to set up Watson Danny just fly her dragons to the north. I guess I guess you need that to be in the show because otherwise that's just what she would probably do that any explanation. It would seem a little bit jarring. But you know, what I'd rather cut this scene. So that we could have some of that brand and Sansa explanation of why little about to get got could sacrifice this for that? All right. Let's talk about the on a little bit. I like this scene. Yada bowl of the entire episode. I think it's good. I think it's a I think it's a good moment for theon as a character who has been through quite a lot. And I don't know how much further they need to go with the character. We don't see like a crazy amount of him in the final season. But I think that this moment between him and John him and John is fine. I what comes after that. I feel like zero. Okay. All right. So fi on wants to tell John. Like, hey, I know everybody's giving you a lot of crap right now. But I thought that that was kind of kind of awesome. What you did with say, you told her the truth? Yeah. Dan's like, you've always known. What's right? Even we're all young and dumb. You always knew every step. You take always the right step. Yeah. Every every move you make is the right move. Yeah. And john. Aren't that? Every two. And John's like look it just looks like that, you know, the optics on MIR quite good. But I promise you every decision has been really difficult, and I've done some stuff that I really don't feel so good about the end says not compared to me judge. Like, no, definitely not definitely not. You act actually absolutely are worse than I am. Yeah. Theon is very conflicted about his whole life. He never knew what to these stark or great joy. What am I? Yeah. He's like I wanted to impress. My dad. John's like our dad was your dad the ends like I know you betrayed him at the end. I. John's but he's still in u. Yeah, never lost. He's still part of you like hard of me and says, look you don't have to decide what you are. You're great joy. And the stark what I can be both. It is it is just music at the unserious. Xeres? The pep in his step. And you know, this is good. John at some point in the future can have the wisdom to hear his own advice. Right. Like, you know, I'm sure he's going to be very upset when he finds out the truth about his secret origin, but I feel like the fact that he's he's both a stark at ATar Garin. That's great little awkward with the narrowest. But other than that. It's great. He's a stark aerienne star carrion. Yeah. All right. So theon got a little pep in his step now. And he says, that's it. We need to go Yara. And then this part, we are fine. Your yard long. Fight sequence theon getting SP. Yeah. And then he gets like he's really getting his ass beat. And then he gets need in the crotch. And because he's been he's had his his favorite toy removed. He's able to sustain a need the crotch as if he has like the locked underwear for Robin Hood, men and tights on. You know, I'm pretty sure that's not how. Ten Frank Dribben. Also has a similar pair gun thirty three in the third when he drops the soap in jail, I recall. I remember that as well. Yes. But I feel like like just because he doesn't have you know, genitalia anymore. Like, I still feel like if he's going to get need that hard in that part of his body. No guy who has already ruthlessly pummeled him into the ground. Like, he's not even going to flinch is it possible, Jamie land Stor that he has some sort of a golden replacement gold member. Looks like the guy who pan goal. Don't tell the Bank. The balloons. But I feel like if he had that then this guy who's beating them up. Once he put his knee into the gold member would be would be howling in agony as he would have just like. Believe. So the other thing I don't like about it is like if this was going to be like sort of like the theon superpower gag like. Now, it's kind of wasted on whatever fight comes between theon and you're on right? Maybe this was a better better reveal for the on. And you're on stuff. And I think this whole scene could have been removed, and you could have just been left with saying like, I should go find my sister. And John would be like why are you still talking to me? And then we can move on with the episode, and we don't have to see the recruit the iron islanders, and it could just be enough that theon in the iron islanders show up and save your next season. I don't think that like we need to see the process of how theon rallies the iron islanders. No, one cares enough. Yeah. Nobody cares. Okay. All right. So then let's go. Oh, you gotta have a big meeting back winter fill. All right. A little little finger today. All right. So aria is summoned before the star counseling another real dog and pony. Show. And I'm not sure why. Because it's more fun. This way was everybody in on it. I can't imagine you on Roy's new, ROY. Pretty surprise is. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. So then it's really a whole situation where all right? Let's bring bring are you here. Like, what is little finger thing is going to happen already is going to be sentenced to die in front of everybody. Yeah. This is what he's for seen these never been wrong yet. So we should has no reason to things and be wrong now. Yeah. So Sansa opens things up. So. You stand accused of murder you stand accused of treason, Lord, Bela. She's like excuse me baking powder. No, mike. God. Yeah. Shot. A what? Sansa? Forgive me. I don't understand machine to speak with the council in adjournment did. Denied. He's not allowed to do anything Arias. Like, my sister has a question. So you can answer it so little finger this jigs up. Yep. They call them out on everything. They call him out on like killed by size. Yeah. I did that to protect you. Yeah. But you kill John Aaron with with Leisa. Yeah. And there's like all I you tried to turn are you on me? And you tried to get me to kill her. And you also tried to kill my dad betrayed him little finish. No. I didn't. I've dad, and I were great friends and brands like, yeah. But with my magic powers, I can go back in time and see the moment where you held a knife to his throat little fingers like didn't factor in the magic powers one of the things I did like about this was that Sansa calls out little finger for setting cat and Leisa against each other. And the fact that he is now trying to turn to other. Sisters against each other. I did like that has a little bit of a through line. I think that there aren't I think that there's some good ideas in the way that the show executes little finger. You know, I think that the fall of little finger has some good ideas baked into the premise like emerge cake. I think that that's cool. I think it's cool that this is Mirroring what he had attempted to do with Catlin and Leisa trying to do that again with Santa are in history repeating itself. I like the idea that little finger is the careful manipulator on the planet has always been able to to to walk through chaotic downpour like tears in the rain, you know, he's able to to Neo his way through every single bullet fired at him. And till he runs into magic in the form of brand stark can account for magic you can't count for the fact that this kid is going to be able to literally see what you've done I think that that is fun thematically with what the larger game of thrones story is that none of the political wheeling and dealing matters in the face of the white walkers. But I don't like the execution of the execution of little thing. You know, I think that the scenes that we've had to endure. To get to this point where it just kind of insufferable not well written. And I think like even the fact that like there's something that apparently has been left on the editing room floor of Santa and brand getting together to talk about like a little finger serious about this like, you know, like finding out like how brand is going to get drawn into everything just the way that it's all conveyed to us, very sloppy. I think in terms of this being little fingers downfall. Makes a lot of sense to me alternately as far as how you write that character out. I just think that the presentation of it leaves a lot to be desired the way Gillan does a great job in his final scene. He acts the hell out of this. Yes. He is flailing. He orders the knights of the veil to take him back to safety in Iraq and yon Royce. I think not I think. And Sansa calls back to what is the worst thing that a person could do and she's thinking about it could little fingers motive be detri- to get Sansa in already. It's turn against each other. Says I'm a slow learner, but I do. Yup. And so they do cut little fingers throat with that saying cat's paw dagger that. He basically is started the war of the five kings with. So there is some poetic Justice. I also like that little finger is like still trying to talk, but his throat has been cut. And now he is unable to use his greatest weapon, which is his words. Yeah, you get that away from him. And there's really not much else. He can do. So. Yeah, I think you know, it took me a little while to get good with the literal manner in which little finger is killed like him just getting his throat slashed felt fairly violent. And maybe not. I don't know just in Philip poetic enough in the moment. But I think what you just said is is really apt like I think that this is a guy who has caused so much damage by being able to whisper in people's ears and for his final. Moments to be denied the power of his voice as he's dying. I think is a pretty strong statement and sending that character. He wants, you know, held the knife to Ned Stark's throat, so. There are some things here in terms of like the actual scene where little finger. It's just the the ride here. Yeah. It's the ride. I think if the ride had been crafted a little bit better. I think a lot of the pieces of it are great like I think the pieces of the stark sisters being the one to take him down. I think the magic thing being part of it of that like fitting really thematically with the greater story of game of thrones is good. I just think the like you said, I think the actual the actual walk up to this moment is kind of black. But the way he, you know, the fact that he goes because of these people I think is totally fine by me like, for instance, why did little finger need to turn Sansa against aria so badly, right. Exactly. Are not anything. I don't have an answer. I don't know that all he wants to be the only voice in Santa's year, and he wants Sansa to basically have like a Khuda tie and take over for John. But then Arias blowing a block that. And key sees like too much stark in the other Starks. You know, he sees two inch Ned stark in aria too much Ned stark, and John sees he sees a lot of cat when in Santa he misses the stark in Santa. I think is one of his big failings ultimately. Okay. All right. So let's see see and Jamie and Jamie is getting the troops ready. Like, what are you doing? To idiot. Yeah. I'm getting ready. You pledge our forces? I was lying. Yeah. Fingers and toes crossed. Come on. Yeah. Idiot. Yeah. We we made promise should say. I'm searching Lancaster trust anything. I say, that's right. Yeah. Sir. Sees a segment how their kid is going to rule west rose. Yeah. Our child's going to rule west roasts. And that's going to be great. Nj says. Yeah. But that's not going to be so great. If the army at the dead comes here in kills kid and kills all of us. Like, what are you talking about? Why are we doubting minding says, well, how about we just let everybody kill each other the monsters kill each other? Yeah. We'll figure out what to do. And once all of those people are dead. Yeah. And Jamie's like don't you understand like we need to pick a side here. Because if we don't do anything, then the dead will come down and kill us. And then if the living wins, then they will come here and kill us and Jamie's also like and who knows like if we go up there, and we show like a really good fight. And we end up like proving ourselves to be pretty cool people that are super helpful in the pinch. And we also provide this terrible thing together. Maybe people will look at us differently. And be like, you're actually pretty cool. You you don't get to be Queen anymore. But you can be my friend. Yeah, sir. See also is able to wasn't a weird billion to drag here as seriously definitely got the spoilers. That's not like that's not like a prediction that she's just coming out with on her own. But she definitely was on message boards and found out about the Syrian. Yeah. And I think the drag. Voluble dragons vulnerable only crazy killed just hun-. Just a hunch. Okay. And then she drops that you know, you didn't listen to father you were too busy, but I paid attention and he talked about gold. And so we have all tyrel gold, and I just bought the golden company. They're awesome. They have elephants. Yeah. You're going to pick him up. He's gonna put elephants on a boat. That's gonna be really you're on is still in the picture, and she didn't tell Jamie because Jamie was attorney box talked to Tyrian and she doesn't trust him anymore. Jamie's like I'm leaving. I'm going north. You can't stop me. That's treason. He's in. Bang your Queen. What would you call it? He's like you. You can't stop me and services. Nobody's gonna walk away from me. Yeah. He's going to start to walk away. And she unleashes the mountain tries to get the mountain to on sword. Yup. But she's bluffing. She let's go alternately. She does. Yeah. And we see Jamie ride off right away from king's landing, and he notices that goes to put on his riding gloves that oh what's this little snowflake as fallen on Jamie's glove for the first time? At least in the present time line that we see snow in king's landing winter in the south so four on winter mode and in the final season of game of thrones. Winter was here in this podcast. But it's just getting started in westerns. All right. So Josh another big seen here at the end of season seven Sam has finally made it to winter fell SAM's back. Yeah. Tara in the house. Right. And so Sam is not sure if Brian remembers him, of course, they met going through the wall and brand never forgets anything. He also explains how he became the three eyed raven he can see everything and this really cracked me up in the Pacific. I'm not sure if this was meant to be intentional. So he ends up like explaining the whole thing with the. Being the three eyed raven, and then he wants to know from Sam what are you doing here? Yeah. You just said, you know, everything. Yeah. Yeah. When brand is this super powered it does make him probably at an awkward character to write insistently because. Yeah, he should know the answer to question. Yeah. Okay. And then a second later, then brand talks about John is on his way back and sands. Like, oh you so there's an ambition. He's got a raven. Oh, I forgot that people communicate by Raymond's raisins. Yeah. Okay. All right. And so also, then we see John needs to know the truth brand saying that his last name is not snow. It's sand these John sand, which really does not raw time the same way on sand. This is also baffling to me that he knows about the birth of John snow, but not about then he didn't do his due diligence and go and look up the wedding. He probably would have had access to that. You would think you would think so. And it's not until Sam mentions that then brands able to access that that he just not think to look that up. I guess I guess that's how it worked. Yeah. And then we end up going back to a secret ceremony. And we end up seeing the marriage of a Ray guard tar Garin and Liana stark. Yeah. I am yours your mind. Father Smith Boyer Krones. Yes. And we learned that Robert's rebellion was built on a lie. It was not true. None of it was real regarded kidnapped. My aunt he loved and she loved him. And his brand is saying this something is happening in a boat coming towards winter fell. Yes. And this is very odd that this is all intercut this way. I have to say again. Yeah. Man. It's strange. It's definitely weird. This is supposed to be really powerful moment of John snow and did you hear? Champing at the same time. But connected. Chocolate and peanut butter. It's like it's like chocolate and moldy peanut butter. Like, I don't know. It's like. Peanut butter. And meatballs. Yeah. Chocolate in like a dick Sunday gravy. Yeah. I mean, I love good chocolate bar. And I love a good Sunday gravy, not going dip a chocolate bar into a big bowl of Sunday gravy and eat the two of them together. It's weird. Yup. And so does see John and Danny making the bond and also finding out simultaneously that John is the air to the iron throne, and you can do the math and realize God. Yeah. Unless you are reaction is supposed to be one of horror. Yeah, baby. But I don't think that that's what they want is. I don't know what they want. I don't know what they want. It's definitely cognitively distant. You know, it's it's confusing. Exactly what tone. They want us to take away from this moment. Right. And so John knocks on the door and donaire sensors, and we see them together in congress. Yes. No. They're in bed. In the sexual congress. And Josh for for our listeners who can play. No, you do it. I'm done. I'm done. I don't know when I became more next. John didn't go for the patented lords kiss here. No. We see is. But it's a healthy amount of his that. We see. Yes. Yes. Also, we see earlier in the episode the conversation with when they're waiting for Tyrian to come back, Danny talks about the dragon. The dragons are my children. They're the only children that that. I can never have. I can't have children and John. How do you know that? She's like, oh the witch that killed my husband told me that. And as I said last week that none of reliable source of information. Yeah. I agree. I more and more convinced I think that Jon having a child from this moment makes a lot of sense to the dragon has three heads. Got to see all of that. What do you think of this of Danny has a baby, sir? See also has a baby at a very similar time. And they are forward twenty five years, and they are forced to swap lives for a week because of some other people's they get swapped in the nursery, and they end up going home with the wrong, baby. Spin on devious. Okay. All right. So then we end up going to we cut back from the for from the good John going in. We see then Liana giving birth to John snow, but really his name is a gun. Tar Garin that part's dumb. Reagan already had a child aimed Avon. There's no reason for him to have two children named a favorite name. He get a different names. He's like George Foreman. That's so dumb. The woman named all of his kids, George that regard. Gary names, all of his kids gone. Just name the name them something different Egon Egon to Egon targe, Aaron okay? So we hear brand talk about that. Johnston was never a bastard. He needs to know we need to tell him. Well, he's going to find out very I would love if like sort of like, you know, John and Daniel like sleeping on the boat. And then like Sam comes running in kicks the door in like, John, John this something I have to tell you like a candidate, wait Sam like, no, wait. This is weird. Yeah. It can absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they deal with us on the show. Will we have like a John and Danny moment of? Got to imagine. Probably. Yeah. Though, again, I still think that it's not impossible that like John's fate is to be this unsung hero that he has all this destiny on his side. And he will save the day, and he'll die in the process, and it will all be without any of the glory that salmon and brand will decide that. There was no a there is no good way. Or right time to share the news to deniro or anybody else about John being her nephew as well as her lover and potentially baby daddy. But that there's just gonna be no reason to say any of that stuff by the time that Jon snow is potentially dead at the end of the show. But then the other option is that they're just have a very uncomfortable conversation. Things are going to be super awkward between John Danny really really quickly. So they may never find out about that's possible. So here's the other part of it. So that this was really interesting. To talk about from hearing this again. So we hear he's never been a bastard. He's the heir to the iron throne. How do you think Danny is going to react to this news if she discovers this of wait a second after all this now because of this? Unveiled paternity ruling that actually Jon snow is the rightful heir. I mean, gone targe Aryan if we really if we really get lost in the weeds on that stuff in the final season like it has the potential to be worse than the Santa thing that we can just dealt with. So would Danny handle that would would Danny be like like, I John wants no part of it. Like, I think John would abdicate. But she might just be like. Yeah. But I can't get over that. Also, the fact that your few is really weird. Yeah. I don't know. I think that the closer we get to the final season and having to confront these answers there. There's some unfortunate possibilities behind some of these doors, very curious to see how this one we may not love how it all goes down. I think that's entirely possible. Yeah. Okay. All right. So then we see Sanson aria. Nice. Nice seeing wish dad was here. I love I love that. They're back together. I love that. They're on the same page. I would expect that we have seen like the last major argument between Arya and Sansa other than like like a in the moment strategy decision or something like that. At the battle of winter fell. We get there. But it's good to see them together. Again. I like when their friends, and you know, they talk about how father said the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Yeah. I missed that. That's right Missa. Sweet. All right. Finally brand is sitting at the gods would. And he's having a vision of something that is happening up at east watch. Yeah. And what's happening at east? Watch is not good. Not good. So we see that Baruch done dairy. And it's still there torment is still over there. And we see something coming across. It is the army of the dead. It's the night Kennedy's got to drag in. And it's like come on, man. This guy didn't need a drag in. It's the last thing you needed. We were. We were the ones that the dragons that was our advantage rights. But what is the advantage? This is not an advantage. What is the advantage got it? Okay. And here comes the dragon vissarion now the night vissarion. Yeah. The they they like to call them an ice dragon officially, but Philly the ice dragon and dead white dragging. I the only those are different things. But if you just go with the show's terminology, it's a nice dragon, and it's the night kings ice dragon the artist formerly known as vissarion, and he breathes blue fire, and it is very destructive and after several blue fire drive bys fly bys they're able to blast this gigantic hole in the. Fricken wall. And so many people were killed in the process, maybe tormented and Barrick w okay. Things will be fine. Yeah. The night or the upset like those guys are dead. But I think the right kind of seen the trailer for the. Probably going to be flashbacks flashbacks. Maybe maybe. But I think that they're probably going to be okay. Except for baby Barrick will probably be dead. But torments, it'd be fine. Okay. And the army of the dead starts to filter through east watch by this e and if last week's episode with any indication they should be able to arrive at winner fell in about thirty minutes from now from right right now time, you're listening to this. Yes. Okay. Josh. And that is our rewatch of game of thrones. Crazy. We did it. We did it. We did it. We did it. And here we are. And let's talk about what we're gonna do next. Yeah. Because gave it thrown doesn't come back until April fourteenth on that is a little less than two weeks away at this point on that gives us a full week of absolutely no game of thrones content. And let's do something about that. So are we? Something power. Right. So next week. We will do our official game of thrones season. Eight three view we'll do some drafting we will do some QNA as well. If you wanna Email us, gee OT at post show recap Stott calm, and we'll have some fun talking about what is going to be coming on Sunday night April fourteenth. Yes. Please send us your ravens. We would love to get your questions. Your feedback. Your theories your predictions as concise as humanly possible always is is certainly helpful for us as we collate. Everything we send that are way geo t at Poche show. Recaps dot com, you can tweet at myself. You could tweet at Robbie's at Rob's Esther Nino, I'm at round Howard. You can tweet to the official post show recaps account at Poche show. Recaps all of those are acceptable ways to get us. Your feedback Poche recaps dot com slash feedback as viable as well, we would really love to hear from you guys. Who have been along the way with us here on winter was here as we close that out officially with our season. Eight preview with our final thoughts on the rewatch. I'm sure we will get into some of that as well. And then we will be in the final season proper. We've got some fun things plan for the final season coverage as well. It's going to be a fun ride here in this home stretch, what a wonderful time to be alive here as we are going to all be experiencing these final six episodes of game of thrones together. All right. Of course, you can follow everything that Josh Wigley is doing and by golly is a lot head on over to t- HR dot com slash game of thrones to read everything that Josh and all the fine people over T HR up to or you could follow Josh Wigley on Twitter at round Howard. And it's right. If you will allow me to pull a paraphrase here, rob it's plug a different podcast. There is some more game of thrones podcasting shenanigans coming from yours, truly and ta char new podcast we're launching called series regular where it's really it's just gonna be me talking your ear off about game of thrones in a slightly more serious bashing than I tend to do here on this podcast. So if you like me talking about game of thrones, I suggest you give that a look give give a quick perusal on your your podcast platform of choice for series regular by. The Hollywood reporter that is launching this Wednesday. So keep an eye out for that. What do people do search for series regular in their favorite pod catcher of choice? That would be the way to do. It will also have it linked at teach dot com slash game of thrones on Wednesday. So that will be dropping on Wednesday morning. You can seek it out that way the first episode. It's really quickly. And it's like fifteen minutes long. It's really fast. And it's the goal was just like explained what's the setup of where we're at in game of thrones right now as quickly as humanly possible. What are the bare essentials of what you need to know going into the final season. If you don't wanna read a ton of articles, if you don't want to go back and watch every single episode who are the main main main characters, what are the stakes that they have facing them. And what are the great theme of the show? So all of that is wrapped up with some fun sound bites from some poll quotes from the show along. The way in in a quick fifteen minute package. So exciting times if you wanna give that a listen. All right. The great Josh wig ler. Thank you so much. Thanks to everybody who listened to us in stayed with us through this entire rewatch. We great replacing crazy almost every single week for like a year and a half the long Yata between the seven season game of thrones. And ultimately, the so it was a great bridge across this gap between the seasons. It feels like it was ninety nine years. The last episode of own. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll be back next week with our season a preview believe it or not take everybody a good one. Bye.

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Cutting Through the Confusion

Unfuck Nation with Gary John Bishop

30:20 min | Last month

Cutting Through the Confusion

"Turn of your this fucked host. John all right all right all right. Welcome to this week's episode of unfrocked nation. I am your host gatty. John and wherever you are listening to this and the world i thank you. I thank you for being a member of the nation. I thank you for participating in this conversation k. And you might not feel like you're participating you may feel like you're participating but i wanna get by virtue of your setting in less than two what i'm saying right now you're participate which can gets me right into it because as you know i like to cut to the chase and all too often. I get questions from people. Some changes on facebook live in an instagram live. Its message or an email at something from people who don't know where to start and the life they don't know they say yeah. I want fuck my life. But i want to deal with us. Relationship with this aspect of my finances. Are you name it. But i don't know where to start. I don't know well. Try on the idea. That just by lessening to this podcast. You're starting k. You are started if you think your life like a blanket of conversation. That's where the quality of your life is happening. Your life is happening in conversation with yourself and other people life change happens when you start to change those conversations. What are you talking to yourself about. What are the limitations. What are the fantasies and the conversations with the people in your life so you know all too often and you know me by now you guys we get this little flurry of conversations in social media about changing your circle like associate with the people you want to be mean which is a good idea but what if the fuck people you're trying to associate with want party you because they are applying the same philosophy and analytics like why the fuck would they start dealing with a bottom feeder. I'm not saying you're a bottom feeder but if you're aspiring to something you'd go on whatever conversation with circle at the bottom stands to reason right. Here's what i'm saying. I think different appro stop talking shit e talk about the people what you're talking about so if you're go any though we your current circle and you conversations that are complaining while your life isn't the way it should be gossiping about other people in the circle explaining why you can't do this and can't do that. That's not the people in the circle. It's what those fucking people are talking about so life change begins and conversation people. You know when asked him. I don't know where to start a. Where should i start gary. Or how do i find a purpose. And you know it's all the rudimentary shit that gets off the hook for actually doing something different. I don't know start. We fuck yourself but many people who follow me started with stop doing that. Shit or even wise is fuck which is one of the newer books. It doesn't matter where you start with your life change guys. It's that you start. Well i don't know what to do what. I just fucking sand what you should do must start by transforming the conversations that you're having and your life was yourself and with other people. I talked about this. I don't know a few episodes can fucking boring as to hear people complain about their childhood and their parents in the fucking boring and ordinary that s. I don't care fucking dramatic. It was for you care for you. I just don't care for your job so you must start by saying you know what these conversations that i meant. Don't serve the future that i'm up to he's conversations that i'm an don't serve the future that i'm up to so you might start by all tending the conversation that you end with yourself and i'm telling you mostly what you're talking about and your future with yourself is what's not possible what cannot be done. None of that serve most of how you talk about. Your future are the obstacles and problems you're facing and why you can't have these things and that's what you come in me. What's your gary. What do you do with us situation. What do you do with that situation. Which is okay. But i'd rather you noticed like the degree to which yet in a conversation for what stops you see. Your job is to really focus on the potential of your situation to focus on the possibilities that exist there and to solve the problems that are underway of that between now and fulfilling on that saying and i know that all seems a bit abstract but nonetheless the principle apply if you want to move to another city you first come to the conclusion you first set that and say to yourself. I'm moving and i'm moving by the eleventh of december two thousand and twenty one s just random date by the way and that is how you do it pekka fucking random day all right now. You got a job on your hands. What job making that day happen. That's not how people operate hope. This is how people operating. I need to do this at need to do that a need to do this. That's a problem. Well i can't do that. And then after the gone through all of that thinking they come up with day. And it's usually some fucking nebulous thing like early two thousand and twenty two. No you start with the end. Come up with a fucking day. Get some skin in the game for you. The get some pressure on you. Come up with a date that you don't even know how the fuck you're gonna get it done that but you see the day present you with the right problem and it's the same we're any aspect of your life like you know. Get your finances. Ronald start with the end game. Look at the problems that that endgame present you with right. Now start with the end. You start with the end and confront the problems that the end present you. What's and again that's not people. Do people tend. Start coming up with the problems right now. Like oh well. This is the way. That's the way now you keep your eye on the potential you keep your eye on the possibility you keep your eye on the end and you handle every problem between now and that n. c. I think an awful lot of people say what they want. And the launch i think people by arch would say they want some kinda change and i'm even including those of you that are trying to maintain something good. You've got right now because even that would be a change for you. But i think most people if you sat him down said well. What would you like to be deaf. But i don't think many people actually grounded themselves and that to get to the truth. One of the big things that i had to realize this number years ago i had many wants and my wife most of which i'd forgotten why al wanted but the want remain like hung around my wife is like a fucking stanch so one of the first things that i had t really deal with was can do this cleaning of my closets like the are really wanna. What's that actually about though. Is that really for me. It was that to prove some point to that kid and the tenth grade or to. My axe audit are awesome. I like. Is that really what i want now in my life. I really want that or does that to overcome some stigma that i've gotten stuck with so again. The starting point has to be some authentic game. Not some fucking we would call it in scotland some fish the old one of my now it has to be new and clean and clear become commodity. Eleven not only a certain kind of life but by committed to be in a certain can a human be and again. That's another thing that gets lost and confusion the kind of human being. You're going to have to constitute yourself. Is ted day today. Because as we all know. And this is a well-worn pass that a well-spoken above pass. I don't know it's well worn in terms of having been fucking walked but you have to be that purse you know. That's fucking phrase. Be the change. Like you'll have to be that person what person the person who lives that life that you say you asked them and you'll have to be that person recklessly and continuously in relentlessly even when those little or no evidence that any of that shit even works because being that person actually as the game ultimately you know some people say well. I want to triple my income. I'm gonna give you a little example. You're right because this is so fucking shallow. We are also want to triple my income. And i'll say why and say well you know i just i one have nice things okay. Why and usually that's where people are stopped. They say. I just i like nice things i know what i like. I deserve them have standards. I bleed which is all too shallow. Nonsensical bailey thought about targets or goals for a person's life but we'll go with the example of three times. You fucking income right so just think how much you make an thank kabbah three times that now anybody we inexperienced in this life. Tell you three times. Your income will mean three times your expenditures. But that's forget that for a moment. Let's pretend that you'll resist all of that and you'll just you know. Take a three times yet again. Most people think a lot of people think that three four five ten times during income would be a major problems over for you and in many instances and in many ways it would solve a lot of problems. But you're messing the reason why you even doing that. You see all of that income lit up money that you say know after is so that you can become someone that right now. You don't feel as if you can become not person again. People think is something to do how you dress or where you shaw per how you eat and la la like you can't become that person because that person is really just some fucking emmy jeff seen on tv or not fucking television show what movie. We have read it in a book. But there's something more fundamental and now feed away like if you made three times you make right now. Who would you get to be there and that time that right now. You don't feel as if you get to be that person and that's where the work begins co. i would get to be happy. Okay what else if you scratch. You'll see maybe satisfy our peaceful. Well you don't know as those things you can actually get to be those things right now. Like what if you brought a sense. Pc a life right now. What if he brought sansa satisfaction to what you're doing she then there's no struggle to get to the future but rather this experience of being accomplished and producing results. And every step of the way you're actually saddled with who you are you're at peace with who you are and you still play the big game because the big game there's growth but it's not a survival game anymore. It is the game growth. It is the game of personal growth and development which in my view is critical to all human beings. We get fucked up by the notion that it's things outside of us that were asked them and i want you to get if you do the thanking you'll actually realize the thing internally the you'll see it you'll be like oh shit. Yeah this is about me becoming courageous Says about me. Becoming confident says me becoming becoming. What is that becoming. It's a day in the future. When you feel like you will have turned out a problem with the whole philosophy of that as you've got it so tied-in to go that even when you accomplish it never fully experience because you've got tied under the goal can't see that what you really after some version of yourself. That's what you ask yet after some version of you that right now you don't know yourself that person but you see that's actually the practice. One of the greatest insights in my life was when i realized there was nowhere to get to that. All the really as and this is my opportunity this today right now as you're fucking opportunity for you to be you not the resentful or hurt or pain or traumatized or getting their you but the you right now you can be that you. That's the opportunity and it's a series of opportunities that people mess because they're so desperate to be fucking somebody else a somebody i might add that they never realize this is your show. This is your shot to be there you right now. This is where you start by being the kind of you. That's aligned with what you're asking the kind of future you that you could bring to the table right now. It's not a change in your fucking life or your geography or lila. You can do all of those things. That's fucking great but you must get in touch west to what and what not accomplish for yourself within yourself so try this one on this week instead of your desperate search for goals and it's okay to have goals up at taking on expressing yourself. A new and unprecedented ways even unpredictable ways grabbing this moment to influence. Not only this moment but the next and the next and the next going to take a short break and after the break. I'm gonna take a question from the nation. Remember if you want to participate in a future show tax meet six four six four five zero three two zero three. You can also call that number and leave a voicemail. Email me connect at gary. John bishop dot com or alternatively jump on the website on fuck nation dot com. There's a little form fill in. I want to hear what you say. I want to hear what you're dealing west and i would love your input on subjects. You like me to touch upon for future episodes. Catch a minute all right. All right. All right welcome back. Thank you for being patient. This is the part of the show as some of you know some of you might not where we take a question from the nation and this is when it came in. And the form of a voicemail from sarah and sarah said rather. She asked what he'd do when the issues that you're having at the unworkable category but you're also best friends and co parents. I'm so angry. But i'm still so invested. It's so painful but there are so positives and him. He's never trusted me with the truth about anything that he struggled west this year. He's gambled away twenty thousand dollars allied the bota and had to convince him to admit to it still. He's a wonderful father and they love him. He doesn't like talking about this issue and says he's done but i keep catching him and lights granted. I'm no searching for the lives but it doesn't feel good. Yeah alright sarah. Let's cannot worker way through this okay. Because i think what sarah's dealing with here is very similar to a lot of what we deal with in our daily lives. Believe it or not. There's a lot of buts. There's a lot of considerations and those year but seeing ten celebrations that we all have by. The way will protect you from the truth. Now what do you mean by protect you from the truth. Well it's not like you need protecting from the truth. You're protecting yourself from the consequences of finally admitting the truth right and i'm gonna get. Nt here we use era all right now. I don't coach your partner and this this as an aimed at your partner this is aimed you and your logic and how you've gotten yourself antennas corner okay. Does some very poignant things in here that you need to take stock off syrup but there's also some harsh realities. Ns that you'll need to confront see. See what are you do the issues. You're having the unworkable category. That's the first thing when something's unworkable. Handle it accordingly. And i realized that an our lives better complications that are layers. That are thanks. But it's unworkable and as long as it's unworkable. You gotta get this sarah. It's unworkable so as long as it's an unworkable. It is unworkable and that is regardless. So you said you're angry but you still so invested. You're angry where you thought. This relationship should go compared to where it no as again like old people. You have got a picture in your mind. Her this relationship was supposed to turn out. And it's not that way and you're pissed off at the destruction of that expectation. You had that magic word expectation of how this would turn up. So he's never trusted me with the truth about anything that he struggled with that as he internalizes yes another word for that by the way is an authenticity. So i'm feeling we something and i'm pretend in that pretense as the nfl so in other words he's being being authentic with you fine very common relationships but and this environment of unworkability knock guy. He's gambled away. Twenty thousand dollars lied. The boda had to convince. And ted meant to la la la and then you say yet still. He's a wonderful father. And i love her. You might love but he is an situation with his behavior. The completely conflicts. With what. You're saying i'm being a wonderful father. I know that might be tougher here. But there's some reality for you like he's single-mindedly undermining has relationship with you now. People do this in relationships go happens right. it's common. Some of those people have a home moments and they wake up to something and they get the life handle or they don't and that's the choice. It's not a choice of stop. doing that. and blah is a choice of either gonna take. This ought yourself or you're not gonna take it on. And here's the news for you. Sarah your consideration. As do i hang around the ness while either a he works out for himself and he needs to work at. Oh by the way no you or be and you know he's out where i'm going with us you end but under no illusion here. It's one or the other. there's no medal grunt. He's either dillon. With himself so that he might participate in a relationship in a way that works. Or he's not gonna thoroughly do that now. Another thing that you should know. Sarah is that. Should you choose to stay in it. You have to embrace the notion your stay in a relationship or related to another. Who is either committed to living his life in a certain way or trying to work through that and you have to realize that. That's the situation. You're buying end tip. No i've no advice for people when it comes to that saying you gotta make that choice for yourself my only recommendation to people as you have to be fully aware of what you're stepping until so this is a guy who has lied who has internalized who's been an authentic weo. This seems like he's got a decent relationship your head or kids but ultimately kind of behavior undermines equality of their life. How you know that because it's undermining quality york's those two things can coexist in the same space. So it's kinda like parents. Who are alcoholics and drug addicts when they're not high. You know these stories about them being great people when i say great. I don't mean that in a moral way like you know you're a good person as you seem like they're great to be around and then they engage in this other behavior but you have to realize that you don't get the cherry pick a person you have to make your mind up based on the whole fucking deal a big part of my being commended. Father that includes managing my south. And that's always job. I mean it's always like managing yourself managing your own moods hoax triggers. Like all shed comes with being a human being. No i worked on that shit for many fucking years right not to get over something specific but just to really understand myself as a human being and stop some of my negative destructive behaviors and we all have and you have to realize you're getting the whole fucking person you don't get the have the bet you see as being this quote unquote great father. Because you have to look at the whole fucking pitcher. And he doesn't get the escape that either no from his point of view and had a similar question a week or two ago. We somebody if he's gonna do any work on himself has the be for himself. You can't use the language of what. How has behavioral impacted you or maybe impacted the kids or you know impacted their world. He's gotta do this for himself. Not to make up for some past fucking misdemeanor. He can clean up his past misdemeanours by you know restoring some integrity what he did honoring who he is but then working on himself has to be a function of what he wants for himself and his life. Now i know you might be still attached to this person. I know you might love this person. And i can appreciate all of that. And that's where you're going to have to start using your brain. You're going to have to start. Engage him in this from the level of logic. Like what's going to have the best outcome for your life. It's gonna their best outcome from your children's likes i. I mean and i don't know by the way if your partner is engaging with any kind of personal development work or seen a therapist for you know whatever still in. But i do know this that when people are engaging in the cana behaviors that are completely unworkable relationship. And they say stuff like. I'm not going to do that again. I don't believe it. And i don't believe it with good. Cause unless they do the work on himself because there's no basis for the promise. It's just a promise based in feelings which is all over the complaints. Soon as you get a coupla glossies wine or temptation or whatever their way that shit comes on last. They've done the work on themselves. So your choices all in or all out and nothing in between there's no pause it either all in you know and if you are all and you're all in on the whole thing what he's dealing with how he's dealing with the impact on you the impact on that would then be your choice. So you'd given up your right to just continually fucking throw him under the boss for your choice. If you'd all out all out. You acknowledge to him. Say look i love you. We were building something. But i'm unwilling to proceed. That's set regardless of my feelings. I'm unwilling to proceed now. There might be something in this for you to sarah in terms of doing work on yourself like what you don't wanna leave yourself with as some subconscious. Belief gettin verify some belief. Like you can't have love or you won't have love in your life or you've got to do the work right with that sort of stuff. Which again i'm want to in great detail. Stop doing that. Show and uncovering their own subconscious beliefs. You wanna make sure. You're fully at the source of that sarah guy and this is really everybody to get. It can be very painful and life to deal with situations that are unworkable. It can be very painful and it's unworkable. 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Free Will Isn't Free, Nor Is It Willing

The Alchemical Mind

50:17 min | 5 months ago

Free Will Isn't Free, Nor Is It Willing

"Two men were arguing about a flag flapping in the wind. It is to win. That is really moving stated the first one no it is the flag that is moving contended the second as master who happened to be walking by overheard to debate and interrupted them. Now that the flag nor the wind is moving. He said it is mind that moves. Welcome to the chemical mind. The topic for today's episode is free will. And if you've listened to the podcast for while you know that. The one thing that i enjoyed doing on the show is not leave you hanging till the end conclusion. So i'll give you the conclusion right at the beginning. The conclusion is this free will is not free nor is it willing. So let's talk about what that means in western society. We have come to this conclusion that were individuals. We value the individual value. The person the self above things and what this is led is to this idea that has been present for many thousands of years. One interpretation of the genesis passage of the bible is that god kind of created the universe created the plants and the trees and the flowers and the insects and the animals in all things on this planet to be kind of guided along by mankind where mankind be shepherds of this new piece of creation and as a result over time. We have kind of taken this idea of controlling and ruling over the planet as kind of essential ethos particularly within western society. That's why many times western cultures have invaded other places on the cultures of their tribes so the countries around the world in tried to instill will if you will on those people in those cultures. Now this this of course not going to be a social political discussion. So we're gonna leave that there but that's one of the repercussions to think about when we have this world view that we are in charge of anything and the truth is we're not really in charge of anything at all. Were simply pawns. Simply pieces of a larger puzzle trying to resolve itself one of the key takeaways that have had over and these past six months in something. That's been floating around in the ether of my mind over the past year. Maybe two is the idea of how to live my life according to rules. That aren't really rules. How to determine how. I can't live my life according to outcomes instead of reactions because see when you think you have free will will of thought we have the ability to choose you end up losing the ability to control anything because of course. There's nothing to control one of my favorite metaphors on this. Podcast is the idea of lane down and floating downstream and for some. That's a little crazy that you would allow chance to take a hold of what you are. You want to be in control. You want to be in control of your job and your personal financial situation. Your personal familiar situation right. He wanted control. Who are friends with who you associate with. And you feel like because you have the ability to say well tonight. I wanna eat pizza instead of spaghetti. That somehow that gives you the ability to have some sort of free will free thought this freedom of choice and that is not what's happening at all that's a fallacy. It is purely imagination. And does of you. That i've listened to the podcast for while may have come to the very astute observation that no episode that i do for this. Podcast is an island unto itself to use all paradigm. all the episodes are interconnected. Just like the choices that we feel. We make or interconnected. Oftentimes you'll see some kind of overlap in discussions and the examples you'll hear me reference previous episodes if your student fuel kind of get a glimpse of what the next or four or five episodes may be discussing because those things come up in any particular episode -an and just in that way we are led to believe with our observations with their clever minds that somehow by making decisions we can influence the outcome of things. You guys know love talking about the secret. Not because the secret is untrue. The idea behind the secret is untrue. But because the secret itself the interpretation of what the secret is is in essence complete and utter bullshit to feel like you can influence the direct outcome of something based on willpower. Sheer willpower is nonsense. Now i don't wanna pick on those of you that believe in free will that you are free acting agents in this every volving universe on one feel that picking on you and some of you will hate when i talk about these kind of things because you feel like you're somehow giving up your own authority in order to understand what it is that i'm trying to say on the podcasts. And that's not my intention at all. My intention is free to realize there's no choice to be made in the first place in when you truly realized there is no choice to be made. That is when you really become free. That is the true meaning of free. Will if you will to have no choice to make it. All that is true. Freedom of course are very into some conspiracy theories you feel you know these these cabals taking over the world which people controlling thanks and one percent in their are some whatever. And that's a that's a nice story to tell but see immediately by believing in these things you're automatically removing your own authority. You're moving your own power to be free because if something goes awry something goes in a way that you did not want it to go. You automatically blame whoever you feel is in control for your own downfall and see if you're doing that you should be very cleverly devising that you're not free if somebody else's controlling you have freedom so what will is there for you to free if you're automatically giving power away to the problem is you're still believing that severe some kind of meat sack roam around this planet this giant rock making decisions and moving things around to benefit yourself or to benefit those that you love those around. You definitely your family. Hopefully maybe your friends. Hopefully maybe your town or city or country. Hopefully that's not the case at all. Have you ever wondered what a truly free willed individual would be like and you can immediately come up with many examples of how you feel like you have. Free will the ability to make a choice and impact the things around you so you can wake up in the morning and choose to go to work and make money so you can pay your bills and feed your family or you can choose to stay home and behind your bills lose your house. Is your family. Whatever you can make that decision yourself you get hungry. You feel like. I'm gonna go in the refrigerator. See what a have there. Then i can choose what i'm gonna feed myself. I can choose the pizza the spaghetti or the broccoli or whatever. Whatever you're to maybe you just want ice cream. You want to go grocery shopping. You wanna go. You wanna go shoe shopping. You can decide to go to You can go to the mall or he saying. I don't really want to go to the mall. I'm to go to the the shoe store record. Shoes not a sponsor. i don't care about sponsors. You can make that decision and so you feel like because you can make decisions you're free to impart your will on. Thanks but again. that's not freedom noah's a will. There's nothing willing there every decision that you make at any point in time is not a free conscious decision that you're making to impart that choice on your life. Think about that for a second anytime you make decision. The decision is already made for you. There have been experiments going back decades in particular over the last ten or so years in which you can scientifically prove that. There's no decision to be made and these things are getting more sophisticated. Now you have things like Elon musk neuralink and things like that. There's a really interesting project called kernel. That kind of dies little bit into this. Would you can get instantaneous feedback from your brain to determine once you learn how to read these signals properly to determine what it is that you're going to do before your brain actually doesn't now. How can this be possible if you are freed conscious ancient making decisions on a day to day basis a minute by minute basis. How could it be possible that you attach a machine and read out the output from that machine that the machine can tell you exactly what you're gonna do before you do it. Aren't you in control of your mind. Aren't you a free agent. Don't you have a choice to make a choice and the answer quite simply is no. You don't have that you don't have that every choice. That you make isn't a choice. That you make consciously the choice is made for you before you realize it yourself. We're not going to go into the intricacies of my idea of mind and brain. I've mentioned in previous episodes how there are no brains. Brains are allusions. How the thoughts that arise in and out of your mind aren't your thoughts. They're simply floating in the ether floating in the universe just simply other aspects of those coming in and out of the antenna that you call your brain. Okay we'll just we'll just do that simply that'll be the the simple philosophical idea behind us. If you really want to be free you have to learn to be willing and by willing. I don't mean to in part your own will on others but to learn to become the willingness itself this is where we get kind of really deep into the philosophical aspects. And some of you hate that stuff. Because maybe you're not at the level to be able to understand concepts like business and what the truly entails. You can change the way you look at objects from being objects. Physical manifestations of some other into simply spontaneous manifestations of nothingness of business. Because one thing that i've really tried to do and worked very hard with myself on doing to try to get a better understanding of some of these deeper philosophical concepts is to recreate s- the framework that use to float around in this physical manifestation that we live in one thing that i've done is instead of working my way outside in i work from the inside out so instead of creating a set of rules which guide my life and my decision making process and of course i'm putting that in quotes because again there's not really much decision to be made is i've started creating my world view from the colonel and working my way out if you are familiar with things like a basic. I used to do this quite a bit back in high school. We used these. What were they call. Eighty eighty five somethings that. Ti calculators texas instruments calculators graphing calculators very advanced scientific calculators. We used in high school for math. Which you know you can graph immediately right on the screen. Obviously you don't really need these anymore. You can do this all on computers but the back then you know. Computers weren't as good and it was much simpler to have as graphing calculator and math class. And one really cool thing about these. Graphing calculators was the ability to write your own programs in a programming language called basic. it's called basic because it's very simple. it's very basic and so you would have these commands and you can reference the commands to each other so for example he would have your first line line ten. You would you know. Ask for input from the user. When the user enters the input you econoline twenty it analyzes input that the user was given and you can say well if the you know. Let's ask a question right. you can say Are you having a good day to day to line. Twenty line twenty enter user enters input and then you say if user said yes good line thirty if user says no good aligned ten as you creating a loop here so if if the program asked me having good day say yes. Thirty thirty says great. I'm happy having great dane. If these now you go back to line ten and what does it do it ask you again. Are you having a good day. You can do this. And if an atom and obviously this is a very simple example of basic programming. Emily using it because of its simplicity. Because this is the way that i've begun to analyze in recreate my worldview one of the most common questions that have received this year sansa the episode that put it in february to hell and back and even now after my hundred days of silence. One thing that i've been receiving lot is can you talk about how the experiences that you've received this year have changed your point of view on some of the topics that you've discussed over the previous. I don't even know what episode were on. we'll say seventy episodes. Do you still believe in the same things and the answer to that. Question in in the large part is yes but the way that i see them in many regards has changed a bit. Because what i do is i began with a central concept of whether a higher the exists that has been my central concept in order to base all the things around and so my answer that obviously for those of you that listen regularly will know is yes to me. The experience that i've had is definitive proof of a. Yes so then. I can go from there. Is this higher entity enacting. Its will on me or on the things around me or not and from there i can move onto the next thing and see the answer to that question for me for while has been no. That thing is not enacting. Its will on me then. You need to decide well. If that thing doesn't enact its will on you. What are the repercussions of that particular statement. On the next statement that you want to base your worldview view on and it's not a matter of choosing that worldview it's about going through this thing pragmatically logically in trying to understand the implications of it without imparting your own bullshit without importing your own ideas your imagination onto what that thing means to simply make that choice. You make that answer to the question. Make as much sense as you can. You're limited personnel capabilities to understand because again remember you're just a finite piece of an infinite hole and so you can never understand the entire hold itself so the best you can do in order to understand infinity is to begin applying your own perspectives on what that would entail now. This is obviously have philosophy works. How a lot of science used to work there are still scientists that work this way but of course signs has become very dogmatic in essence has become in a way sort of religion. And you'll know how i feel about religion now. Religion and science can give you this freedom of choice. This free will if you don't allow it to overtake your own. Personal experience. Came not to override your will your choice to choose your ability to choose but what you can use it as a framework to make informed decisions and there's nothing inherently wrong or bad in the thing itself it is in how you choose to interpret thing. Now if the thing removes your authority from yourself because of course you are still in charge of your limit itself but those things are bound by rules that already pre existing of course the number one rule pre existing is the thing that generally guides most of the other decisions that you make on a day-to-day basis in that rule is very simple. The rule is i will not harm myself now. There are people that go through depressive moments. Who may try to cut themselves. Maybe there's people that undergo suicide attempts. I've talked about my own personal battle with A similar experience in which you get to a point that you can in essence in essence. Choose my whole world. View has crumbled. How do i move forward. And this is the type of the resurrection the enlightenment buddha hood experience that many of the mystical profits talk about throughout human history. Now it is how you handled this moment in time. That determines the knicks piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately for you many times this choices already made for you and for many this might seem insensitive for emotionless or unim- pathetic to say a will hugging you say that if somebody's successfully commits suicide. That's what was meant to happen then. Going in to determine ism at the opposite side of free will in the as to that again is no and that's why i began this episode with the buddhist quote cone that i mentioned this many of these fantastic. If you ever get a time go go and amazon. Go to your local bookstore and purchase a collection of zen cones. Now chances are many of them will probably fly over your head. You have no idea what any of it means but eventually in time if you continue your pursuits of knowledge and understanding in how to become your true self here we go using these crazy phrases. That i hate using. Because they're so overused they mean nothing anymore but defining your true self defining what it actually means to be a human being. Then you begin to put those pieces of the puzzle together because see. That is the purpose of resurrection day. You'll you'll body. We'll come back. You have physical body again. You look exactly the same. You live in your magical mansion up in heaven for eternity or live as some kind of spirit roaming the universe observing things all of this assembly imagination. Remember that simply machination. Nobody has attained these states in the way that the the the meaning is implied upon has ever come back and said this is exactly how it is now. I can tell you anything. I can say when when you die. You're going to be a giant grasshopper hopping around from planet. The planet and eventually if some cult arises out of this thing and this is one thing that i said then the people following this cult will say oh while martin said when we die will be giant grasshoppers flying for planet the planet. A wonderful go anywhere. You one of the universe Forever will be ternal grasshoppers chomping on the grasses of the the'real free to do as we please anywhere in the universe now. does that make a true. Because i said such a thing is true because some person that believes my ideas or great in two thousand years. Because they're saying it. Does that make a true course. Neither did i die and become a giant grasshopper and said This is great. Let me go back and tell everybody about it and return as a grasshopper or as a human being. And if i did come back and told everybody well i died. I came back in when i died. Let me tell you you don't become grasshopper you are a giant earthworm. And when it come back it'd be like well. That's that's bs you said you've got to be aggressive hopper. When you you mean change your mind. You must be some fake. You're not you're not really martin. Come back to tell us. The truth is the thing that i think about sometimes right if if jesus to return as as prophesized in the bible again he didn't really say anything about returning people behind them did if he were to return and do that can say to people. Won't you kinda got the meaning wrong while people believe it. That's something that i do. Think about a half thought about. But what is that the do with free will if you go back to the zenko. On all these two people are doing is arguing semantics older doing is imparting their own conceptual idea of what they feel should be true based on the viewpoint that they have on the world around them and they're arguing about it like it makes any difference. Let's see the zen master knows better because the sand master understands the truth and the truth is that both of the arguments are fallacies they're pure imagination created by the idea to feel like these things. These humans are correct in what they feel about the way the universe works in. This massive doesn't say that's not how it works you idiot. It's this way. Because then he wouldn't be a master then he'd simply be a third person butting until the argument with their own conceptual ideas and so all he says is it is the mind that moves see. This is the difference in how you learn to actually determine the truthfulness of something or not. It doesn't matter if you have the conscious ability to make a choice if you have free will and it doesn't matter if you feel like you're just a pawn in a giant chess game because the real answer is that neither of these things are true and both are true at the same time and so in order for you to understand the truthfulness of things and i keep like i like this word. I like all these words that end in any s because it's just like having the quality of something not necessarily implying that thing to be true. Why use the term business so much because these are kind of more non dual terms. Business doesn't imply that something is or isn't it just has the quality of existence in physical manifestation or the'real manifestation spiritual manifestation these are just two aspects of business just like free will determine ism are two aspects of business the choices that you make a very limited sure you can choose between these spaghetti and pizza when you're hungry but what is the actual choice. The choice isn't what you chose to eat. That chose whether you choose to eat or not and your programming says that you will eat because if you don't eat you will die and so at the core is will you die. Now when you understand that this is the actual argument between free will and determinism you realize there is in an essence some choice that can be made but those choices that are made live within a set of guidelines that are determined by your pre existing condition and your pre existing condition is for you being a human being if a rockwood listening to this podcast pre existing condition be to be iraq. Now the choices that the rock has to make are much simpler than the choices that you in human beings have to make and we confuse these complexity of choice with the existence of choosing because the only choice that iraq has to make is sit. That is the choice. Sit does iraq have any other choice outside from sitting. Can the rock say well. I don't want to sit here anymore. Let me go sit over there. The answer is no but see in a way the rock can impart its own will on the world around it where things may happen in which the rock is moved from one spot to the next now for some of you you think have gone off the deep end for one for implying that the rock has the ability to choose anything that the rock has some kind of conscious thought within it that allows it to decide whether it sits in one place or go to the next and then beyond that that the rock would how could the rock possibly have the ability to influence the roll around it in order for the world to find a way to move the rock to a different place. Martin's gone off the deep end martin saying that rocks conscious free willing agents. He visits your thought. Then you're not understanding the implication of the idea. You're muddling it with your imagination. Because you feel like somehow you're better than the rock. You're no better than the rock. You're no different than the rock. You have no more ability to impart your own will on the world than the rock. Does you guys know i love. Alan wants one thing that alan wants always talked about. Is this idea of happening in. This is an idea that. I've loved very much for for a long time. An idea that has slowly crept into my own life my own recreation of the universe as i have traveled from a very dualistic point of view to a very non dual point of view. And what this do happening idea. Basically implies is that there are no things imparting will upon other things there's just simply action and it's not conscious action. These things are simply evolving out of a basic set. An those basic rule sets gave the illusion of the ability to choose but all that does is in part that will onto other things for them to have illusion of choice. But see. there's no things there's no choice. it's all one giant whirlpool world pooling. Can that's why like this idea of to happening. This idea of there is no world pool in a river. The river is world pooling. Sure it's only at this one particular spot but the rivers world pooling it's not an object creating another object. It's an action in partying itself onto another action. It's an ever complex set of actions enacting upon each other and so yes there are some basic rules and yes. There are some basic choices but these things are not separate from each other. They're one thing interacting with itself. The beef oes god. If you wanna call it that that's all it is. That's all that exists is the one infinite circumference with each of us. Being manifestations of that one thing that business that is the choice that is being made. The beef does doesn't choose. Hey today on the six day we're gonna create humans choice that's made. It's all these other choices that were made beforehand interacting with each other again. These are not conscious choices. These are choices that arise out of rule sets and eventually the rule set creates a choice of creating a human being. That is the choice that was made because there was no other choice to be made. You say you're making a choice but there is no choice to be made because the choice the the outcome is already decided the outcome is already decided for you at any given point of space any given point of time that comes with decided people talk a lot about Things like the many worlds theory right in which there's an infinite number of universes available to us in which case i'm surprised that scientists would could not crapping scientists. If if this is what they actually believe in because if that were the case then there is the inherent deduction that if any particular choice branches off in creates own separate universe. If the if this were to be true then that means that you could never possibly find the answer to any problem in as a scientist. You wanna find answers to problems. So how does it work for you. That you're okay with there being no answer to anything because the answer is the answer to anything is anything you could possibly imagine and those things that you yourself can imagine right. It will be every possibility. That lives within the hosts. That is the answer to any particular answer or any particular question and this kind of lies at the heart of the deep etymological questions of what it is to know anything when you start to realize you never know anything to be. One hundred percent certain untrue. Then you quit worrying about those things. Because in essence they don't matter they make no difference to your own personal state and condition in the manifestation that you're in right now as a human being it makes no difference whatsoever. So if every choice that is made splits off the universe into two separate universes which of course means that at any point in time in infinite number of universes sparked as any given choices made right whether an asteroid hits the planet or not with the sun comes out are not was the wind blows left or right with the choose to eat spaghetti or pizza at any point in time. You're splitting off an infinite number of times and so if this is the case what choices there to be made because regardless of what choice you made the only outcome that will arise out of it is the outcome that was already predetermined predetermined by these simple set of rules if this and that no again it doesn't mean you're not making a choice. You are making a choice but that choice is not free nor is it willing because you can only live with the outcome of that one choice so you feel like at the end of the day you say okay today go. I'm gonna quit my job. And i'm going to go find a new job and maybe that doesn't go as planned. Maybe the new job that you get is worse. Then what do you say to yourself. Well i made a terrible choice. I wish i could have made this choice better. I wish i would have stayed at my previous job or you go when you get married to someone and you feel like they're wonderful and then within a year you're constantly fighting with each other and then you say to yourself. Well god if only i had made a better choice. If i made a better choice a partner then i wouldn't be living in this state of suffering that i'm in right now arguing with this person constantly but see that's not freedom of choice that's freedom of remembrance even then you have some fallacies that the deal with because if i say to you i want you to recall your most favorite moment than your life. Chances are the moment that you will remember. Instantly is not your favorite moment ever. You're not actively choosing to go back and recall a specific memory. Chances are a memory spontaneously. Popped up into your mind how that memory was chosen. I have no idea. I'm not you. But memory popped out into your mind and then you say to yourself. Oh wait no. That's not my favorite one. Let me go back and think about this figure out. Which will my favorite one was. My grandma went grandma. Mamie those chocolate chip cookies. I love chocolate chip cookies. I love my grandma. They smell great. That's my favorite moment. What makes that moment better for you. Your favorite moment over. What every moment picked up out of the out of nowhere and popped into your mind. You should think about these things before you assume something to be true. You should determine its truthfulness. Because i guarantee you. There's things like for example. The sun coming out in the morning every day you wake up and you assume when you open your eyes unless you know you close your windows or your blinds or curtains or whatever jazz are you wake up. And maybe the sun hits you on in the is he's god it's so bright in here which was so bright you get up and go about your business and so because you know this is the case you get curtains we have blackout curtains in our bedrooms because we love the darkness chances. Are you make these kind of choices to stop direct sunlight from hitting you. Because you don't want that experience right you don't like that experience and to make yourself more comfortable. He find some choice to make to do that. But see number one. That's not a choice that you're making number two. You're automatically assuming two sun's gonna come up. That's why you're getting these blackout curtains. You assume because the sun has always come up in your entire life and has come up for generations centuries millennia millions billions of years. You assume that tomorrow when you wake up to sons gonna hit you in the is since i you want black curtains but there's nothing inherently true about the sun coming out tomorrow. Anything can happen between right now when you listening to this and tomorrow morning in which the son gets knocked out of orbit the planet's orbit. Maybe the sun just goes out completely. Something happens and tomorrow. The sun doesn't come out now of course if that were the case. Chances are you don't really need to worry about the sun coming out because you'll freeze to death between now and then signs aside. This is something that you always assumed to be true as you make choices around it based on the assume truth penis of that thing but again there's nothing stopping the sun from not coming out tomorrow just like you don't walk down the street and choose to be hit by a car and die. That's not something people choose. Generally i mean sure. Maybe there are people that wanted to commit suicide. And if you look at my be one way to do it but on a day to day basis. That's not true. There's many choices that you make throughout the day that you feel. This is the way that a have to do them. Such as maybe you feel it. You have no choice and that gives you some kind of existential crisis. That's when you get depressed. That's when you get anxiety because then you say oh my god what am i gonna do. I have no choice. A half to go and robbed this bank. Whatever the circumstances are behind you having to go rob a bank of relevant to me. Let's say you have to go rhino a bank. Can you present them with this choice. And the only logical choice for you to rob this bank. Any other choice makes no sense. You get anxious now. Of course there's always the other choice of not going to rob a bank but see this culture of instant gratification. That were building around their selves prevents. Even that for making sense. This culture of instant. Gratification is robbing us further of the ability to use our giant brain. Antennas to make better choices more informed choices. You'll never make the right choice. Every choice that you make will be wrong because every choice that you make will have consequences the consequences of the choices that you make may end up being not a serious for some choices over others but every choice that you make has an impact. Now the impact you might be small but the ambig- somebody else might be large and you know overall. The impact won't really make much difference in terms of the universe because these are just do. Happenings impacting other happenings. Sec when you play a billiards you played pool. I love billiards. It's one of my favorite things. I haven't played many many years but it was always very relaxing for me. And that's basically what you're doing. You're hitting a ball and hit another ball and the ball. My hand of the ball maybe goes through the hall. Maybe it's another ball doesn't matter but this is the way that the universe evolves guided by a basic rule of equilibrium. So if one thing become very radic chances are it's because another place is less aerobic in this. Entropy is flowing in and out. The set of randomness is going in and out between states and pieces of the whole. But you don't have the apparatus to understand how this thing works as a whole. All you know is how you work yourself. Maybe those around you. If you're lucky and so in order to make us feel better as a survival mechanism we devise as idea. Free will or pure determinism in order to decide how things worked for us if things go well. We made a good choice if things go badly. Then it's somebody else's fault while that's not free will. Is it if you decide that a bad outcome somebody else's fault then you don't have free will a hard. Is it for you to say. I messed up. It's my fault. i'm in the situation. Because i made a bad decision for one. You maybe shouldn't feel bad at least if you understand the mechanism of how this thing works now in some sense. Maybe you should feel bad because other people aren't in the state of understanding that you might be in and so for them. They want to know if you messed up. You need to own up to it so you do. I've done this many times. I've done it recently. This year have done it. Dozens of times because i realized that the choices that i was making warrant impacting just me. They're impacting those around. Me and by impact does around me. removing their authority for make that decision and placing upon myself. See that's part of the conundrum because no choice that you make impacts you directly it impacts everything around you. You're living in a giant vendor diagram and every choice that you make will affect the life of another person. I'm gonna mention crypto again on this episode. I mentioned that last episode if you are simply here for the philosophical spiritual aspects of the podcast. Then maybe you're not quite there yet because there's no difference between real-life and spiritual life but i want to mention it because you see this thing happen sometimes if you pay attention to it on twitter for example where people They pumped some kind of coin that they wanna make a bunch of money on and they get a group of friends. Make the choices and people are like. Oh i don't want to miss out on this thing then go by this coin and so that we can become a millionaire and a people that are paying attention or saying. Hey people are buying their prices going up now we a sell and we on the most of it because we were pumping it now. We're going to sell it and make a bunch of money and what happens. Swells the people that were you know buying fifty dollars here. Twenty dollars there. Just because they don't want to miss out they become the losers and see so now. You've made the conscious decision to hurt another do happening to remove its ability to impart its own ability to dance in the universe for your own benefit. Now yes this appears to be a choice. But there's no choice to be made with because this is the basic rules set of economics. There will be winners and losers. Now we do live in a world where any government can print out any number of money that they want then you deal with things like inflation and the impacts of that but until this money is magically printed out of nowhere to either there there isn't available supply and one supply goes down. The price goes up and when you price goes up and you sell everything you have them as the supply is much higher now and so. The price drops inherent rule. So you're seeing here. The interaction between the ability of an agent to make some kind of choice in the impact that it has on the system as a whole because of a set of rules and this is why it is the second time that i talked about krypton. I'd love to a it. It on crypto. But i guarantee most people won't listen to that. There's some really interesting philosophical implications of cryptocurrencies in the like so the question. You need to ask is. I just realized this isn't ellen quote to watch said do you do it or does it. Do you think about that. Think about that. Think about how the choices that you make. Impact the system that year embedded in. Because if you didn't live in this larger system comprised of an infinite number of happenings then maybe at that point any choice that you made would be free and willing but until something happens in which you become the only thing in existence in again separate. This is normally say i always end the podcast with your. There's a difference between you. Are it in solid schism. You're not the only thing the entire universe now. You might be it. You might be god you might be the universe. But that's only within your own universe you live in a collection of intertwined every volving universes enacting on themselves pushing yourself around in order to achieve an outcome what that outcome is. The outcome is to continue impacting other outcomes. The outcome is for do happenings to continue creating other do happenings. That impact of the do happenings. And where the ultimate do happening god head the beef those continues to evolve itself in creating more and more complex systems to create more and more complex systems. That might not be the answer that you're looking for but maybe you will give you some things to think about. We're going to wrap up here. I want to thank you all for listening. It's always a treat to do this. Podcast i know some of you are excited for the return of the podcast. I'm i'm glad that's the case is actually the second episode that i'm recording back. Toback recorded the next several weeks worth of episodes so they will be out beginning with the next one. I'm gonna start posting a week early on patriots so if you're on the patriot you'll get those a week early. I'd love to do some additional patriot. Content at the moment Maybe return back to the mindfulness meditation. Course that had started. I'm still playing around with that a little bit. I'd like to do something a little more interested in for the patriots than just having content. That nobody else can can listen to I don't think that Abides by the philosophy. Of what. I want this podcast to be. That's why i don't I don't take advertiser. Money have been approached advertisers out. I don't do advertisers. I never will I will cross promote. I'll be crust promoting a couple of podcasts That's of course being free of charge. I just want people to check out other shows that are interesting and maybe their audience will find the show interesting. Who knows so. We'll we'll do that. The patriots will will come up a have changed. Several things in the patriots are removed a lot of the higher tiers For the exact reason that had just mentioned so basically what i want out of the the. The patriot is a value for value model. I think that Abides a little better by the philosophy of the show. So if you want to contribute you can go on their start at one a month. 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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #3 | The Battle of Winterfell

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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #3 | The Battle of Winterfell

"Therefore, we get to our recap of season. Eight episode number three of game of thrones take a moment. And thank our sponsor for this post show. Recaps those are friends over at blue diamond almonds, and if you are watching game of thrones, you know, that you must be tired of the same boring snacks. Because let me tell you winter is here. So is perfect snack blue diamond almonds. Whether you're going to work, if you're bored at work, leaving work on your commute home. These almonds are the perfect snack Honey roasted flavor Domin Saracho flavored almonds with Sabi and soy sauce flavored almonds. We have your attention. Why keep snack numbering Gips when you can go to the storm pick up blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment. Blue diamond almonds are the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously? Yes. Oh my goodness. Even fish back. The battle of winter fell is over. But we are just getting started on our recap live after season eight episode number three of game of thrones. And seeing. Wow. Oh my goodness. Steven fish back. What an episode. I I it was the screen was dark and full of terrors from what could make out from one could make out. There was a lot of crazy insanity that happened know, huge our battles. I need to wash it again with higher contrast. But I really liked. It was turned off all the lights in close all the blinds. If I was not like somebody in mobile, I would have done the exact same thing because it was a little too. It was too bright in my apartment to totally cash. What was happening, but boy some huge moments that we've been waiting for for years if your show washer decades, if you're a book reader e end and just oh my gosh. That's crazy payoff. Highs in this episode. I also thought there was some lows there were things that you know, things that were building that I didn't feel were paid off. But I'm really excited to talk about it with you. Okay. So a lot to recap tonight on a jam packed hour and twenty minutes of game of thrones. That was almost non-stop all. The way through they let you catch your breath a couple of times when people were hiding different places, but boy lot of stuff happened. We'll try our best to go through it. All of course, Stephen fishbach. If you're watching the video he suffered injuries at the battle of winter fell tonight. Even. How are you holding up? After your recent shoulder surgery. I'm great, I'm great if you can see this the livestream. I've a giant ice cuff attached to my right arm and say, I song of ice cuff and fiery takes. So we're I'm rehabbing. Well, I am not on. I know people will be disappointed to hear. I am not on any major opiates anymore. So that was the big hit on the survivor know at all that time that you were on painkillers. Yeah. I was thinking of like prolonging my addiction for the hilarious comedy of our conversation. But then I thought know. Epidemic. Maybe maybe I'll take a step away. All right. All right. So Steven, I guess let's get into everything we are going to have something to say send me a tweet at rob sister Nino. I've got my Twitter open on one of the many computers that power this podcast. Of course. Our feedback show. Josh Winkler may not go to bed tonight too much to to cover for this eighty minute jam packed episode, but we will get together with Josh I believe on Wednesday this week for our game of thrones feedback show, sending your questions to post show. Recaps dot com. Steve, I guess just big picture. What was your reaction to this one of the most hyped episodes of television of all time? I try to just sit back. Enjoy it. You know, usually when I'm watching these things I'm like taking notes and like thinking like what I'm going to say, I just was like. I just was like really enjoyed sitting back watching it being overwhelmed by getting caught up in the emotion of it. You know, there's so many huge. I mean, I honestly like when ghost was charging into battle alongside the death Raqi like I got a little teary. I mean, I guess the second time getting teary of Syria this season. Just some really cool moments. Obviously the big thing that happened was this build towards this huge conflict between John and the night king. It feels like they've got the slow music playing the night king is like walking slowly across the battleground John dodging in and now, he's got the dragon breathing ice fire on him. And then boom out of nowhere. Just as all seems lost for John aria comes in with her special blade and today. Okay. Well, let's start with aria here. Because I think that she was the unlikely hero for if you're gonna take the Vegas. Odds of who was going to take out the night king. I think that you would have had Jon snow as a heavy favorite brand working into something to narrow in the mix. But aria stark being the person who sneaks up behind the entire white Walker army as the night king in true bond villain fast. Walks ever. So slowly up to do whatever he needs to do with brain. And then ends up being the person to step him. Correct me if I'm wrong that was the Valerian steel cat's paw dagger that was a big macguffin in season seven. Yeah. I think you're right. I think that is exactly what that what what that blade was. I could I could be wrong again, really hard to see. But. So I do like that the ultimate weapon which takes out the night. King does have some ties back to little finger somehow where little finger ultimately used that dagger as to start start the war between the Starks and the Lancasters, and then brings it back out for seemingly no reason in season seven ultimately kills little finger and the night came one murder weapon. How did you like being aria? Yeah. Okay. And then we want to get a confirmation. I'm seeing in the chat that it's not the cat's paw dagger was that was that the weapon that that that Gandhari invented for Andrew was the one where she was saying that right? Who had? No, no, no. That was what she was doing her like two handed slicing and dicing up on the on the ramparts which she was doing her like Bo Bo attacks, and then like, Bo Bo staffed attacks, and then she like split it into it was like cutting off people's heads. That was the thing that Kendra invented. Yeah. Okay. So the chat is split between. What it was? And that's one of the things about doing the show right after the episode. I'm sure Josh, and many other experts will sort this all out tomorrow. But the headline at night king is dead here and the the menace of the dead and the white walkers is over here three episodes into this final season. Yeah. It was kind of like a dick move for the other way walkers to not stop her. You know, she came from behind him seen her coming there. I was certainly off the ball. I mean, I don't know why the night king necessarily he controls all these other people why he needed such an audience for what he was going to do with brand. Like, hey, everybody. Check this out. All right. All right. The big moments about to happen. But this posse they don't seem to do very much. They just kind of like go where he goes and like look ominous. I haven't really we haven't really seen them be very active in any capacity heavily who the other white walkers. Yeah, they like they like hand him like his javelin when. Hangar on exactly they're all. They're like his entourage. They don't deal. That's the word. That's the word. I was going for. Yeah. Like, you know, they like make sure he looks fly and give him his job. Turtle. There's John drama. Sure. There's e-. But no then night. King. Stephen is is are you happy with the way that this would that this work that because I think that probably if you were to ask the game of thrones fan base a couple of years ago. How what's the last episode of game of thrones? Look like, I think you probably would have described a scene that we saw in this episode tonight that of aria taking out the Nike aria, but specifically the bell. Well, it's got to be a big big battle everybody against the the white walkers. But that's over with three episodes to go. Yeah. And so that was the big question. Right. Like does do the white walkers die before the kind of drama plays out? And I guess we have we have our answer. Yeah. It's crazy. The white walkers are dead. They're done that story line is over. We've been talking about it. You know, you've been talking about it a lot. For for years. We've been thinking about it. You know, since the very first scene game of thrones is the night is the the dead coming back. And and now, it's they're done. They're they're taking out. Let me ask you. This was the ultimate journey worth. The ride. You will what's your question is like is the is the end of it. I mean, it did feel like it ended. I mean, it's hard to say like, well, what's abruptly? You know, I mean like it's been this building looming menace for for the entire series of the show. You know, a huge defeats at the you hard home, huge defeats at the hands of the of the the white walkers, and you had this ninety minute giant battle where basically everyone dies. Although not that many big. Yes. The bloodbath for the principal cast that many were expecting, and I actually think that was maybe my biggest I like my only criticism may Arousa my biggest criticism with the show tonight was that you know, the fan bay. And maybe this is the problem with having week to week episodes rather than than streaming streaming episodes. It was like the fan base has been anticipating this like who's going to die. Who are we going to lose? We're ready for our emotional trauma tonight. You all like highly prepped to lose someone we love to feel great things kind of like, you know, like Doris, Ed. I was. The first to go live. So the named character body count for tonight. So ed. On a more Mont down Mormon. Not a huge character. She's been probably, you know, I love a big Liana fan. Sure. We all we all are barracuda. Darrien Verizon Derian. The Andrea joy theon, great, joy and Jorma job. And that's that's it. And none of those are the real marquee, except your I guess other than Giora, no real Marquis characters. Yeah. I mean, none of the like a list cast went out in this episode. I mean, I don't think anybody expected that. But I think that people were really expecting like all of these didn't think Padraig pain was coming out of this Padre grey worm. I really thought we were getting. A night of the realm too. I thought that that was her that was her big moment. Brian Nelson Andhra also well right now, Sandra also dies, but by our own choice. She's like, you know, what I've had enough. What else is there for Mel asandra that she she served her purpose? The Mel Sandro kind of the other than aria the MVP of the night. Yeah. Really sushi. She held back the dead with the firewall. She she. Yeah. And then kind of was those are those are big moment key. That was I mean, she showed up she really seems to have her magic on point. You know, she is a one that, you know, certainly faced her doubts, but the that she was a key contributor. And really when we're going to look at you know, who did anything tonight on the side of the good guys hard to really come up with a list of good guys that were major contributors. Yeah. Everyone kind of. I mean, you know. I hate to be this guy. But Jon snow kind of useless throughout the night. Yeah. Did not do really very much of anything. They kind of like flapped around a bit. His dragging got killed. He he was killed right? Reagan was killed is that official. I don't know. I I it seemed like it made sure looks drove on you know, made it out even at the NC, and that was like two stroke on is driven. I'm like resting or is he dead, but we saw for next week. So it looks like drove I made it out alive. I think Regal's radios done. Yeah. Chad is split on this again, we need to sort out the body the body count on this. So yeah, John snow did a lot of running around. Yeah. But ultimately, John snow was was not a major contributor. No didn't didn't really have any big decisive impact on on anything, you know, one big ditch detect he didn't he didn't help in areas against against the ice. Dragon. Really, you know, maybe just like this the fact that he was they're kind of like, maybe if it was just an areas versus the ice dragon that wouldn't that would have been more of a, you know, a wipe out for maybe just the fact that he was there to kind of like absorbed some of the the ice fire attacks, maybe that that helped helped out there. What about ghosts? It goes make it out. I think we would've seen ghosts onscreen death. So I assume that ghost is also. Okay. And again the chat will correct us. If that's the case what was brand doing through. Most of this battle because I think that many of us thought alright bran is going to walk into a drag in. He's a secret weapon here. He's going to go toe to toe with the Nike. We saw him wargin to crows go look at what the night king was doing. But other than that like a web of what was when brands is rolling back in his head. What was he was he contributing in any way or was like, oh, I need to just look completely catatonic? So the night king can really slow walk up to me. So are you can get him with the dagger. Maybe he's just wanted to watch. He's like us. He's a fan. He wanted to see what was happening. You know? I'm just gonna go. He's like your thing. I'm gonna go watch the show from the perspective of the crows. I expect like a crow attack. I thought like right at the end. There was going to be live on something like bringing bringing the crows to protect your your human form. I thought there was going to be like some kind of like again, like not much not much agency from brand he's like. All he says, I'm going to go now. And then he says the kion you're a good, man. Yeah. Yeah. And and that was that was pretty much from from brand. He kind of did he give away are ya? Like, he kind of like look where she was coming from am I wrong he gave it away because aria was able to get get the jump. And I did love they were aria. Not only did she have the jump on the night king and say, she also had the lines of the episode where she gives Sansa though dragon glass dagger and says, I don't know how to use this. We have the callback too early on sticking with the pointy end. Which is why John says to her when she first gets needle. We also had the moment where Mela Sandra where you know, that, you know, a mental Sandra at one point was on Arias list. And she goes back to that moment. They had in season three about all of the is that she's going to shut and oh green eyes Brown eyes. Blue eyes. Oh, okay. Well, who has this colorized who has this caller is? And I think that we missed that. It was right there that. Blue is the night king. Yeah. And Mel asandra came to explain remember that clever reference. I said yes now, you get it. Now, you get it. So you got it. Yeah. And then Mel Sandra says sue aria, what do we say to the the God of death? Not today might hold on was Syria. Ferrall really Mel, Sandra. They're all Jack Hagar all. So like, oh, so many great callback here. Yeah. A lot of really great call backs. What did you think? So this was you know, barrack done DARREN'S purpose. We see the final death of Barrett on dairy news many times in Brooklyn been bar backed by the Lord of light many times was this a good fitting final end Barrick. No. I mean, it was good that he saved aria. And ultimately, we get like the reason why the Lord of light brought him back to many times was that. So that that REO was going to be the person to take out the night king. But I mean was it a Burke done dairy, and I don't really ever have a great feel for him as a character. It seemed like the last like three episodes all he's doing is click. Yeah. That was really I did love all the stuff with the hand and aria. Yeah. I mean, I I mean the hound wanting to save aria made sense. But like the two of those guys this isn't make sense to me like they're like, oh, are you need saving? Let's let's abandon the battle and go save that one girl over there. Yeah. So there's that big like fifteen minutes in the middle of everything where all of a sudden, it was like a different show the Benny hill show. Well, yeah, it was like this is like a scene out like the Walking Dead where there's thousands of these whites that are just pouring through the gates of winter fell. But then Arias in sort of like, the, you know, the great hall of winter fell library or library. Or maybe that's what it was and far be it from me to quibble on a library with you. And she's like, I've all she's like, you know, sneaking through a hiding behind. I've never seen the whites act like that on the game with rounds. Yeah. There. More of like a swarm kind of movement and attend attack motion. They don't kind of like like ramble around through the, but you know, books are very distracting day. We all kind of want to get lost in that imaginative world. Yeah. I could've sworn I thought at one point aria was going to push over one of the bookcases. And then like dominoes. Not on the bookcases in the library. Yeah. The thing where she takes the book throws it, and it makes a sound to distract the whites. And then she she runs out classic. Yeah. It was very much then like which she's hiding into the desk. We had like sort of like, the the drip of blood was attracting the the whites. It was like a Jurassic Park like hiding from one of the t rexes. Yeah. Yeah. So is are you the prince that was promised like is is aria stark Zora on high. Boy, that's interesting. I mean because like the point of the that was promised right is to like, basically take out the Nike and my missing something. Yeah. I mean, this was John does it matter at this point. I don't know. I mean, we've been debating the identity of arrive for for years and years like, oh, I think Stanford's it's not Stanton, though, is John is really John. What if it's really, Danny? We've all said, I don't know. I've said and now it looks like it was are you don't think I mean, I feel like some kind of like what? What you know, what this episode is such a huge conclusive moment for game of thrones. Oh, let's okay aria is on high the Princess who was promised. Now. What does should she be on the iron throne? No, she just you know, she she saved the realm and history has been made. And you know, sometimes, you know, it's not just about thrones. Rob it's also about saving all humanity from endless darkness. Yeah. Seeping? I just so confused about where we go from here. Like what what's brands purpose the rest of the series? Yeah. It just doesn't be creepy like make cryptic cryptic remarks issue. Well, that's why I did. I did think that there was going to be more of a part of why I mean for both for the emotional impact. And for just a logistical impact of like, why thought there was going to be more of a bloodbath. Like grey, worm like, why did gray where make it out of his battle? I really thought this was the end for grey worm. Yeah. I thought so too. But he does somehow like I don't understand how anybody that was on the front line ends up making through this the one we need to talk about most of all is Jordan. Who's in the initial charge? We very first charge. We see him run back. Kind of my initial thought. I was like gosh jor like why did he come back? Oh, wait. He's a well. He's a white now. Yeah. Or like that was pretty fast. I do we see we probably saw him again. Like, you know, and then literally out of nowhere. Just as the is about to be overwhelmed. He comes like was he just like hanging outside the gate the whole time. And like did none of the other whites like bother him for some reason? There's a couple of people like that. Like I saw. Sam couple times like in a pile of white. He he came at it. And we saw torment out there the whole time and Bryanne, Jamie. I don't know how any of these people survived. Yeah. I don't have such a huge problem with them like beating back at the the very cost of all of their effort in somehow living. It's when like he like swoops in from the side with like for. No, it's just doesn't make sense at all like how really like was Giora outside the walls the whole time. Yes. Yes. I guess. So I guess he was he's an incredible swordsman the one that I that really. I was like what was Berek when he's a leading aria and the hound get away any standing there. And then just just getting sad by the whites. And this about he got away and was able to catch up to aria and the hound and get into the next room with them and would have had to like somehow take out the whites right because otherwise they would have been there with him. So. Got distracted. Maybe they heard aria another new book. I don't want it to see if they raise for. So we're we're we're bouncing around over everything. So let me ask you just sort of big picture. Did this episode live up to the hype for you? I time to process it because I'm still like when I I like, I I when our REO like jumped up and killed the Nike, and I was like, holy shoot. What an incredible twist weave expecting this big fight with John in the night king and then out of nowhere. It's aria. Like what a great moment instead of it being this like macho swords, dude, it's this like plucky girl who we love more than anybody. And she's the one who who's the one to take down the Nike. I thought that was so cool in the moment. And then I go onto Twitter. And of course, people are like this is so corny like outdoor day six machen out of nowhere like how LA and so I just need time to process it and think like like is it cool because it was like such like a coal moment. Or is it like a great fitting end to this story? I haven't digested all of it. Yeah. I think that we're probably being ungrateful to the gods of television. We're being like, we're we're being a little critical of things that happened in the episode. But I think overall I don't know where you are getting more entertainment for an hour and twenty minutes on a TV show. I mean, this was a movie. Yeah. It was it was a movie it was like it was one of probably like the has to be one of the biggest most giant battles ever filmed. Right. It's got to be up there. Among the certainly the longest most epic in scope, great battles in TV and cinematic history. I mean, it was incredible. I wonder how does the show top this? I mean, that's what's so weird about this being episode three where you had the all the stuff with a search in king's landing, which has a whole whole set of emotional. Aches that this doesn't have. But this had a scope that the other side of it doesn't have it. And I guess that the biggest thing like from a narrative point of view comes from like where we said like, well, how does sir see even match against an heiress and dragons and unsullied into thr Aki and the rest of the realm now, it's a the tables are if not turned very evenly match. Yeah. And it was funny and sort of like the next week on like seeing your on grey joy like prancing around. And you're like what this guy like we just we just saw the end of the night came like who cares about what you're on great joy is doing, but, but it will be nice that it looks like the color palette is a lot warmer and richer allowed him to have a lot more like clear visuals very excited about that Windsor over now with the Nike is dead. I will interest seasonal right? It's it hasn't. Just I think in game of thrones. Land. It's not just about the night king bringing winter as because like know winters lasts x number of years. But it's a it's a constant seasonal shift. Like, I wonder if we're just going to drop that it's winter in the final three episodes. Well, it's it's going south anyway. Right. Presumably, so it will be we'll be warmer clime. Yes. But you know, in the visions that Danny saw in the house of the undying. Of course, we have the dragons flying over king's landing and snow and king's landing being destroyed. And I know it was a very popular theory this week where I I already talked almost like it was fact night king is not in winter fell that night king. And I thought we were going to get that. When brand looked up in the crow's and saw the night king flying on vissarion that night kings, not in king's landing. But he most certainly was. Yeah. Nikes not in winter felony. Yeah. I do think that's part of like this. You know, the the weekly episode structure, and when you have this insanely active community, where it's like, you know, all of the normal rational takes are like digested and thought of within the first like three hours, and then you've got like a whole week to just like spin off into come up with like crackpot theories and lunatic takes yeah. But some of these really get a lot of steam, and they're just reported like it's absolutely going to be factual. Well, and I think that's the challenge for the show too. It's like, how do you stay ahead of the phantom like? And I guess that was my point to with with the sort of low body count. It's like we have built up. You know, there's been this constant like Twitter presence of like, I ready to say goodbye to all of my loved ones, you know, here. And so you kind of Louis if without that build I don't think I felt a little bit of a sense of loss that we didn't lose more people. Stephen. Let's talk about the action in the crypts in this episode as many people predicted Crips did come to life. And it did seem like that. Nobody left the Crips though. Well, the door was closed, and maybe they didn't want them in. Well, I don't know if they were locked in. But they did seem that the door was closed because people earlier in the episode right Sansa went down to the crypts. But then there was a moment. When people are banging on the crip door like lettuce in light us in. They didn't open the door. I mean, they had to assume based on that moment that the castle was overrun to you know, it's kind of this thing we're too damned. If you do damned if you don't, you know, my big question is in the aftermath. How are they going to figure out which body goes where like who is which I think that that's got a lot of bodies to sort out. Yeah. That's for another day. I mean did somebody kill some of the whites that were there? I mean, we sold like a couple of people that were like near the different entomb in two minutes. I don't know what you would call that. But the, you know, a couple people got got and I don't see anybody kill any whites. And then just went back to like every hardly and a quarter. I, but those were like real they had been dead for so long. I'm sure it took this is either these are generally there things that probably took a lot of their energy. They probably would gas down after that. What did you think about Sansa interior, and we'll have a couple of moments and the episode was a great line where Sansa anterior, and we're talking before they went down to the crypts and Santa says deteriorate, you know? You were the best of all of them and interiors like well that is a horrifying thought. Yeah. And then again in the crypts, they have sort of a moment of. You know, if if you know, if it weren't for the dragon Queen could, you know, it might have might have worked for between us, and then Masada, of course, as we have one of the dragon Queen we'd all be dead. But, but I thought it did seem like they were sort of playing up this kind of Sansa Tyrian, you know, the possibility of them reconciling, I think one pretty common fan theory. I think John Josh's edited. Maybe that's why it's communist 'cause Josh said is that is is that Tyrian in San. So we'll all end up together Josh's been said that before and I thought it was kind of a long shot. But I think that this episode tonight did lay a lot of groundwork for that. Yeah. It really did seem like it was setting up the Tyrian Sansa might just end up together, not necessarily maybe as rulers of winter foul, maybe as just like picking up the pieces, I'm curious how much do you think that this is book canon? I I had I also the idea that like Martin had given the show runners. The broad strokes of what was going to happen is this is this how the Nike is going to die in the books. I mean, you're asking the wrong guy. The stories that I hear it's like it's like they had lunch with George Martin. And he's sort of like again like bro on the back of a napkin. What was going to go on they're filling in a lot of details. Yeah. But who kills the Nike has got to be one of those like major plot points that he's like, you know, he told them the horror thing, right? That was something that you like he gave them. I have some bad news for you about the books. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to hear it. I don't want hear it. Yeah. What is Santa story from here on out? That's a really docking the grain winter. Yeah. I mean, the lot fewer mouths to feed. Now, she must you know. She's got an easier job. Does she go south? I don't really see it. Right. She I mean, she doesn't make sense for her to like participate in the final battle. Also, kind of would be weird her not to be there. You know to have that sort of survey was was such evil horrible presence in Santa's life. And so when it does assuming seriously does go down to not have give Sansa a moment with that. I think would be imagine that Sansa leaves winter fell to participate in this battle against. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. So yeah, that's a good question. Like is this the end for Sansa? And like when we go when we do those storylines down south like are, we flashing back jumping back up north to see how the survivors are sort of picking up the pieces of literally picking up the pieces of what's happened. Yeah. I don't know what brand and Sansa, and you know, some of these other characters have going on for these final three episodes. It's going to be very interesting to see how the show pivots now. Where yet a whole first half a season all about this. And now we're going to hold back half of the final season dealing with the intrigue in the iron throne. Yeah. I mean, and it's it's it's going to be really interesting to see again, like I was really surprised by how many people made it out of this episode, which means are these people's gonna live through in which case, you know, it's almost as appointing if everyone makes that alive. Give me some names. Give me some names. I I mean, I don't know like Brienne is Brienne gonna make it out of the whole series yet kind of thinks she is. I mean, you know. She's going to be fine. Yeah. Who knows it could be could still die in the upcoming battle. He could die. That's possible. Cla gain. It's gonna gamble. Bow. What else? I mean. You're right. I guess most of the other big characters are. Are really set for this. Big this big final big tunnel. King's landing showdown. Okay. All right. So we still want to take a look at what you guys are saying on social media. Let me thank our sponsor for this game of thrones a recap and those are friends over at blue diamond almonds because if you are watching a game of thrones, you know, you don't have time for the same old boring snacks not tonight. Well, let me tell you winter is here. So is the perfect snack blue diamond almonds with you're going to work if you're bored at work or leaving work. These arms of the perfect snack. The Honey roasted flavored almond Saracho flavored almonds and the worst Sabi and soy sauce flavored almonds. Those are going to get your attention. Stephen why keep snacking on boring chips when you can go to the store and pick up blue diamond almonds right now. Stephen the blue diamond almonds. I believe that's what. Mel Sandra saw in Arias future. Right. There will be you. You'll eat many ovens there will be sort of Raja almonds. There'll be we saw the elements. All the blue Saracho fiery moment of the night. Stephen. Oh, wow. Saracho fire mode had to be aria coming up from behind the night. King just at that huge climactic moment and giving them the old one to stab Eru. Whatever the moment. Blue diamond ominous is a perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously? All right. Stephen scrolling through some of the questions, we have from the listeners, and are there any death Raqi left mister robot Taryn wants to know? Oh, man. That's it. Sure didn't seem but those porta threat. Okay. Also that was a really cool moment when they all charged with. And then the show really did make use at times of how dark it was. Right. Here we go. Here comes Mel asandra. Everybody swords around fire. All right. Yes. And then it's only have them. Like, you're watching the distance like, oh, no. That does not good. All right, Jordan retreat. Yeah. Giora that was just a few of them made. It back really was. You know, Jordan village chicken down early. It was like I came the horses and then came Giora. Yes. He definitely did. Let's see. Zac Brooks wants to did aria use a dead person's face to get close to the night. King people seem to think so is that possible. See the aria take off a face. Maybe we'll see this in a deleted scene of one of the expired. I mean. Dead people. This seems like one of those things where there were, you know, this is just going to be your mileage may vary from for my viewing of the show. I don't feel like that's a likely scenario. But I I think for someone who believes that. There's no there probably won't be anything to either prove or refute. That idea aren't all the faces. She takes of dead people already. Right. So like why not actually be a w like Shambaugh or, but like, it's not I guess I really gets into the mechanics of how dead people are figuring out where the living aren't who's dead. How do they know not to turn on their own? Is it like a smell thing? I mean, I guess it's the site thing we kind of we know that they can hear pretty well the book the book throwing so that we know that they got good hearing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Tom Palmer says so aria was actually useful while John Snow Brand. We're pointless like the entire rest of the series. Oh, come Johnson. Wasn't always useless. Stop it. Yeah. He was a crucial. He he went beyond the wall. Brought back to white. He he died. He was Lord commander of the night's watch. Yeah. The bastards he was an important part of that. Even though he would have died to had another day Essex. Now, not come out from the side of the screen this show loves a good day. Thanks you. And they were quite a number this episode. We really had a lot of last minute saves this episode. Yes, what was your favorite? I mean, obviously, the area was the best one Giora was my least favorite one because I really just I hope someone tells me gives me some theory for what Giora was doing that enabled him to swoop in and say, I really have. I really am. I was really, you know, there was. There was there were a couple of great dragon saves, but like those didn't bother me because like they were they were we'd set that up. That's what the dragons were there for you know, that's what they were doing. They were circling what ready to blast the dead dismiss marines. That was really cool, by the way, also. When when when Drago on blasts, the night king was such a cool moment. Another just like all these great moments that we've Hispanic for so long. I mean, the score was really incredible throughout the whole episode. And then they gave you a little bit of a bump when Danny blast the night king. But then I'll feel like this is probably not working. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. It was not other. There was there was a moment. Right. Where did he did? He get the ash. It was incinerated is he gone who's like one thousand. I'm sure we all heard that I read that through to do because he walked out of the plants, right? This is also from mister robot Taryn, which death sad. And you the most Stephen. Dolorous EDD now ghost. His dad is retroactively saddening me. The most. He did not die. I don't believe. I'm a big Barrington Darrien fan. So I was really sad to see him go, and I did expect it to be like a more climactic moment. Like, yes, we now know that he saved aria. So that you could save humanity. But I did sort of think it was kind of like a it was a little bit lame. I think that the show wanted to have Giora was the climactic death. That was the one that that they wanted to give you the pack. The biggest emotional punch did they do for you. I thought he died like two or three other times. He got stabbed quite a few times that he'd like stood up. It was like about. Now that one I'm good. I'm good Liana more Mont. Zero. Iconic. She died as though she lived. She stabbed the giant in the I yeah, I was giving it to those giant dudes, you know. Fearless. Yes. Let's see. What's the one thing that should have happened in this episode based on these story, we got an AK who should have had a deaths even I really was expecting brand to diet Alex day. I'm shocked that Brienne didn't die. I'm also very surprised grey worm didn't die. It just seemed like, you know, one of those frontline big-name frontliners should have died as you said, you know, we saw them like repeatedly just chopping away at the undead army, and it almost felt like a cheat for nine of them today. Tor torment torment all characters I love I love torment. I'm such a huge storm and fan, but I really wasn't too spitting one of them going. Yeah. I think that grey worm and Bryanne are the two that probably the most incr-. Edulis that they have somehow survived this, especially after last week's up. Yeah. Yeah. They both had such big character moments last week, you know, grey worm with Masan day talking about their retreat in obviously Brienne being knighted. And then I mean, great, actually like, it's always it's a good thing because it kind of would have been corny if they had those character. And then they immediately died it would have been like almost like too on the nose. But but yes, in that respect, I guess I like it. Okay. Stephen we have three episodes left in this entire series. I expect next week is going to be another episode of setting the table for a climactic, which I think is taking place in five. And then it sounds like that episode six might be a lot of cleanup. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's that sounds like a great three episodes to anticipate. It sounds like a lot of fun and a lot of misery a lot of tragedy. Okay. Anything else that you want to say about tonight's episode? Yeah. I really. I liked when the night king controlled the weather. I thought that was a really cool moment where like the dragons take to the sky, and it seems like, wow, the good guys have got air superiority they've got fire on their side. They're like burning up the armies of the dead, boom. The night king brings in like the deadly frost win tornado. Yeah. And then and that was pretty cool. Yeah. So many different things. I'm sure we will get into on our feedback show as well. Looking forward to getting into your questions. I definitely need to go back and watch this all again geo t at post show, recaps dot com, you also leaves a voicemail post show. Recaps dot com slash voicemail. Sure. Josh is going to be inundated. But I'm sure you can also send him a tweet as well. Too at round Howard. Also, go to game or post show. Recaps dot com slash feedback. All right. Steven are you gonna be able to sleep tonight? I I mean, I mean I will be both in. A mental turmoil and physical pain. Okay. Are you doing? Okay. All right. That's fine. All right. Thanks, everybody. Who joins us live. I after all this exciting. I know it's a late night on the east coast with all this, can you believe Stephen three weeks from tonight game of thrones. We'll be over. Oh my God. That's wild will know. We'll know what happened. You know? There's no way that what we knowing. We'll be better more fun than -ticipant. Yeah. Such is life. Stephen who's on the iron throne at the end of all of this. We're halfway through this final season. I mean, I'm with you. I don't think there will be an iron throne. Yeah. The John and Danny tension this week took a back seat to everything that was going on. Do you think that now in the light of day, we revisit the big development that John shared with Danny last week? Yeah. I do think. So I think like they, you know, there was a lot of tension with Danny from everyone right from San. So there was tension with Danny. With with John. There was tension. It would have been weird for them to be like bickering over right? Like who was whose daughter Bernice when when the army of the dead were coming, and I think they they probably will establish that. And I thought that that sort of Tyrian Sansa MS Sanday seen maybe kind of was like little nod to that those tensions than existing without them sort of taking over the battle. Okay. All right. Stephen a great job. Thanks everybody for joining us live. We will be back mid week with Josh Wigley for the game of thrones feedback show. Be sure to follow everything the Josh's doing over on T HR dot com slash game of thrones. They care. You have a good one. Bye. Tonight's episode of post show. Recaps is sponsored by friends over at truecar every car comes with shares stories that dean your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first state that luxury package, you got that big promotion or the miles. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #5: Eastwatch

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #5: Eastwatch

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started on the game of thrones or rewatch of season seven episode five east-west. And now here the two guys who are all hopped up on ferment. It crab. I am rob cicirino here with Josh Wigley. Josh our you turned on. I can't even hide it. I am just ready to go. Hours. You don't need to head on over to your favorite establishment before we get into talking about the fifth episode of season seven, it's hammer. 'time BB war hammer time as Gandhari aka Clovis is back after a long yada. And a lot of peace moving around setting up. Our big caper coming up next week as we are going to go hunting for a Walker white Walker. Yeah. White indeed. And we should say two weeks from now programming note for the people who are listening to this live. We won't be back next week. We're gonna take a quick week off. And we'll be back in two weeks. So heck of a cliffhanger to leave people on here with east watches. We are embarking beyond the wall with the east watch seven. Yeah. The east watch seven it's. It's all picking up as we are now really closing in. Is it going to be about one month till? Drop day for game of thrones. It's close it's really quite. It's March twelfth as we are recording. This probably March thirteenth as this podcast is dropping and game of thrones. Final season premier is April fourteenth. So Russian up to meet us here, we are getting dangerously close to the end of the line about ten weeks away from being all done with game of thrones K anything from the news with game of thrones this week Mercifully nothing so far Mercifully nothing. So far. I'm just chipping away at my final path predictions. Just posted are Sam well Harley final path on Sunday. Got the on grey joy coming up here. Coming up next on on final path T H R dot com slash game of thrones the struggling a little bit with the theon one to be candid just not much to say. Like, there's there's always a section for unresolved mystery for these characters, and I don't really know what the unresolved mystery is with Dion is. He is he going to be like a real guy, and like, you know, save his sister's you're going to continue to be scared of everything or what what's going to happen. I think that there's any real mystery to unlock with John so open to suggestions. If you have it. Didn't you one point theorize? He was going to castle black. Yeah. I guess that's on there. Maybe Nightwatch going to exist after the final season the game of thrones. I feel like some version of it ought to have everyone's lucky enough to survive. I think the Nightwatch deserves what are they doing? I mean, if they defeat the night Shing and his army sure that that stays the case Brad is no Wild Wings. The wall comes down. Like, what are they going to rebuild the wall? They all up litter. They really just have to rebuild part of the wall. Frankly, you know, we'll see in a couple of episodes from now and we get to the season seven for now. It's a big hole in the wall. But it's not the whole wall the walls still there. They just they got to repair some of it. I don't know. I don't think theon is gonna make it out of this thing alive as my current probably a hero's trying this. Yeah. And he's going to neurons going to do the thing and the on's going to feel like he he accomplished something. Then he's going to die in. That'll be that we talked about last week. I liked it. When you're on was doing like a theon impression. Oh, so scared. Yard. Did you see that? When your brother was like being a little baby. God you're onto the worst. So let's get into this episode, which there was a big cliffhanger last week. I don't know if you remember it looked like Jamie laster, my drown eight did look like Jamie, Lancaster, might drown. He was in a bad way. He was he was sinking to the bottom of the lake pretty quickly very quickly. He looked like he was about the, you know, hit the bottom of the lake, but no he was fine. Bronze right out. Yeah. What's these cliff hangers that are just resolved? So neatly. Yeah. So so Jamie system Braun. Hey you coulda killed me. Yeah. And bronze like, no, you know, you could've killed yourself. And that would have been really bad for me. You try to fight a dragon bronze logic. There of like, it would have been worth me getting incinerated by dragon fire because the whole past several years would have been literally for nothing, and I may as well just be incinerated. You have to give me all the money that I am. He also says dragons, that's it like if if you're still going after the dragon Queen I'm out I'm not going to let this be a problem I've dealt with a lot. But I'm not doing dragons. That's where the deal ends. Right. And you're not getting killed by a dragon only, I get to kill you. That's the you me. You don't get get the easy way out of getting a into burn you alive with fire. So let's go tell, sir. See the jig is up the jig up. That's the that's the over. There's there's nothing more to fight here. So that's bronze deal. That's the that's the that's the picci's making sewing, Jamie. If you have to go and deal with sir c and tell her that the war's over you may as well just want to jump back. Okay. So we Tyrian walking around through the ash of the burned Lancaster forces. This is a tough thing for Tyrian to have to the destruction. On the battlefield that. He helped preside over. Yeah. It's like it's post in Finnity war, and he's walking through the ashes of all these people who've been snapped out of existence very dramatic as he is seeing all these dead bodies that are totally fried and deniro kinda just presiding over everybody like the war Queen that she is in this moment. And I think for the first time Tyrian, maybe not feeling like remarkably great about backing deniro's. So Danny is going to hold court over all of the captured Lancaster and high guard forces that are out there or Charlie forces. Are they are they are high guard voices or their old Darrell defeated the rebellion forces done? Yeah. Yeah. The people of the reach the verge on high garden people, but also the Lancasters for sure. Yeah. And so is like look, I know what you heard about me, not some monster. That's gonna come in. You know, burn everybody alive and destroy your cities had to do this. He thing right here. But you know, like, just bend the knee. And they'll be no more of this. Not everyone is down to bend the knee Randall and dick on have no interest. Yeah. And so you you in the front step forward. Randall Charlie says, I already got a Queen. What's your Queen got to do with me? You know, I gotta Queen and Randall Tara Lee at this point he needed some arm twisting to turn on lady Alanna, and yet it is literally facing down the barrel of dragon gun, and he is not willing to turn on seriously Lantis. I don't know if that speaks towards Randall's stubbornness or deniro lack of ability to close the deal hard hard to tell exactly what's going on here or Tyrian for that matter not being able to convince either of these people to back down. I think everybody on the board. Here is just remarkably stubborn and Tyrian is just fairly ineffective in this moment. I picked up on a little tinge of the Zina phobia from Randall tar lead that like the Iraqi savage is being brought here in two zero proper. So a hat got knocked off on the battlefield somewhere. Right. So maybe. If it was just a denarius targe Aryan, and we didn't have everything going on with the rocky and even unsullied than maybe could change. But you know, he's going to stick with the people that were from west rose, western I. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's that's unfortunate. And so they're talking about maybe he could take the black Tyrians trying to talk are out of what she is planning right here. Yeah. But then Randall tar like, I'm not taking the black and tears just bark. So he's not even gonna take the lifeline here. The narrow is not going to imprison people. She is we, you know, various track record is anti chains. Does not want to see anyone in chain. So she'll just incinerate the guy. Yeah. And then dick onto what about me. You're gonna have to kill me. If you kill my dad and random like, Nope. Yeah. Dick, dick on this move. From Charlie is about as dumb as the entire first season of the umbrella academy. It's just a very bad choice all around and tearing this is bad. This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. And they say, no, no, it's gonna do. Yeah. Ran eventually kind of relents because he doesn't really have a choice narrow is. She means when she says, she at the very we she's not going to be head. Anybody turns like, listen if you start beheading entire families. It's like, oh, no. Who said anything about beheading anyone burn them alive? She's gonna burn them alive. Dragon fire. Yup. And so. Drogue on has like amazing like pinpoint accuracy that deniro's could just say truecar's, and like he knows like immediately who oh like like he didn't accident Li like go after the whole like all the prisoners or anything like that. He knew. Yeah. Yeah. I mean drogue gun into narrow variants think these days, I think that they're they're connected. They're bonded drogue on knows what to narrow wants and he acts, according even point to them. It's just like boy, that's a well-trained dragging very well trained dragon. Yes. That's a wrap for Randall in dick on tar Lee and still to be determined. How Sam while we is gonna react all of this talk about it a little bit in this episode of the gar whose brother and dad got burned to bits, but Sam himself as not discovered this news and in the final season. You got imagine. He's gonna find out pretty quickly when he meets it winter fell curious to see how that's going to play out. No love lost between him and his father. But this might be a little early and while a sad ending for Randall in dick onto arly all of the captured Lancaster's soldiers immediately been the knee to Queen diverse. I mean, it's affected in the moment. But you do wonder like how effective will it be long-term? How effective is it going to be in the grand scheme of things if this is the way that the Narus plans to rule I think we should take note of Tyrians concern, if Tyrian add a lot of times is. Is like an avatar for us. Right. Where you know, he's supposed to be the level headed guy in the room. If he's concerned about this. I thought we should be concerned as well. Right. And you know in hindsight for Randall in dick on Tardelli like we don't think that the Lancaster soldiers are fighting for Dinares now. Right. I think that these people are probably now part of the crew would I would expect to do. She's army the land who's gonna fight against whatever sell swords brings in and they're gonna fight for deniro's law. I think that whatever is left. I think that the people on the battlefield here are probably now part of the tar Gary unfold how otherwise they're all dead. Like, they're not just getting released. They're not just getting sent and drove under leave. Yeah. They have. I mean, they have to found some way to enforce this. That's ridiculous. If they haven't it doesn't matter if the Lancaster army is torched or not because it's the golden. Is on its way. And that's going to be the thing to fear that still Lancaster army be interesting to see if we see these like, Lancaster red cloaks out there who they're fighting for and Sharon. Yeah. Noah syndergaard. You don't think had shearing torch to you? Now. He's fine. Okay. All right. Jamie is going to come back home. And that he is going to give the report to sir c. Yeah. They lost a lot of men not a full accounting yet. They've got a lot of money, which is good. But Jamie is trying to tell Sirsi listen. I just saw that go down the doth rocky or insane. And they've got dragons jammed the gigantic ask crossbow that you built. It's nice didn't work not enough. Not enough. So we probably can't do this, sir. C and seriously saying, well, what's the alternative, Lancaster? You killed her dad, and I'm terrible. Like, we're not going to be allowed to live. We if we've been to the knee here. So certainly says well, it doesn't matter. We got gold. We'll get some mercenaries with the iron Bank. That'll be that'll help. And Jamie is no you don't get it. You don't get that. She has a trag in we are out gunned here and. Source. He's like, no, you don't get it. Yeah. Maybe you could get our brother to he's being kind of mocking in tone. And maybe he could be a makeup for killing our son, and our father Jamie says, no, no, he didn't vigneault. You saw the crossbow. He didn't kill Joffrey. It was a lenna. She just told me answers like oh, cool. And you just like really peacefully poisoned her to death. That's very sweet of you. She killed our son and you just like euthanized. Her right? Yeah. And then Jamie able to convince a pretty quickly. She's like, no. It wasn't hardly. No, no, listen to this. Like, if you were lenna, wouldn't you when you want Marjorie married to Thomas and notch offer who was a real peo- s like, right? That makes sense, right? Yeah. I guess so. They quickly get off the subject. Yeah. Because the more important thing is like we're gonna die here. If we don't be your something out were toast. So we got a bigger something out. Yeah. So don't worry about a lenna. She's dead. And we don't find a way out of this war. We will follow them to death, and sir. See I think we get a really concise worldview here from Sarah say, she says, okay? So our options are we fight and die or we submit in die. I know my choice a soldier should know his. So if we're going to die, you the way why are we giving up? Yeah. Well, you know, she's she's the one who has the the line of the series. Frankly, you know, when you play the game of thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground. So if winning is off the table, then it sounds like they're going to die. And if they're gonna die do you dive just resignation or do you die still trying to fight to win? She wants to fight to win. Yeah. Okay. So make sense makes sense. Okay. We see Danny return back to dragon stone, and John snow is going to get buzzed by drogue on landing in front of him and John snow. Little startled at first. But he is going to reach out and pet progun gone on the nose and drug on seems to like, yeah. Literally on the nose letting us know that Jon snow is a target area. He's got he's got the dragon blood coursing through his veins here. Yeah. And so Jon compliments her dragons. And she says that they are not beasts as John snow said there are her children. And we get the update and he says, well, I have less enemies than I did yesterday. It was pretty cool. You should see. There's a lot of fire now is kind of scary. But everything else is pretty good. Yeah. And they almost get into the, hey, remember windows said that you got a knife through the chest. What was what was that all about jazz? I don't listen to him. He gets very he gets carried away, sir, visitor like, okay? It's giora. Jawara's back. That's right jor more month. Freshly cured of grey scale. He's got like Jack Nicholson in the shining hair going on in this moment. Windy dragon stone this Gary windy, very windy. He looks like he has spent a fortnight at the overlook hotel is kneeling before denarius ready to to return to her service. And she gives him a big hug, so she's she's fairly. Fearless. Meanwhile, back at winter fell. We're going to see a brand sending out some are ravens on a scouting mission sends them over the wall. They find the night king. And they are scared. Yeah. You know, it is not impossible that when the three eyed raven once told brand stark, he said, you will never walk again, Brandon, but you will fly the flight is this him flying this count. Maybe so. Underwhelming. It will be very underwhelming. If this is all the flying that brand stark does and he doesn't work into a dragon. If that doesn't happen. It's going to be very very very frustrating like technically three eyed raven will have been right don't even put this thought out into the just have to you have to consider it as a possibility going back through this season. I'm really enjoying season. Seven of game of thrones. I'm having a really fun time. Rewatch ING and rewatching again having binged watching it again in such short order and inept sewed by episode order. I feel very good about where we are heading into the final six episodes brand start working into a dragon would be the center of my bingo board. But if they really wanna screw us over they could just say, yeah. Well, he flew in the ravens that happens does not count. You should make the game of thrones. Bingo board. Bingo, boy, the graphic design skills to do it. But if someone wants to team up with me reach out. Okay. All right. So we go to the citadel and see the Maistre 's got some some hot gossip coming in. Josh that we are hearing about like this one from may stir Walkin who's this go what a hack he is something about a boy saw ravens and the army of the dead beyond the wall. Probably fake news fake, news and deed and Sam is nearby. And he's he's overhearing all of this. And here's the description of the quote, unquote, crippled boy who has seen dead men on the March beyond the wall. And Sam knows who that is that's brand stark he understands and he believes if brand stark is telling us that the Nike is on the March, we need to hear what he has to say and the Mazars. All look at Sam and burst out laughing because they think he's an idiot. You are an idiot, and you need to keep doing more of this meaningless work, and Sam doesn't really have sort of like, a Daniel son, and Mr. Miyagi relationship with the Maistre it's not like displaying waxing on and off for a long time in the first episode, right? Like, there is no plan here in terms of what the Maistre are teaching Sam as far as I can tell the may have no plan at all. Like, they're they're move is to do nothing. That's their move. Yeah. All right. So Sam ultimately going to storm out and the Maistre is talk about how like, oh, that's the poor guy that his dad and his brother got burned by the dragon's, right? Yeah. Don't tell them that. Yeah. Really rough stuff. Okay. All right. Varis interior are going to talk about some of this trepidation Tyrian is feeling and there's not a loving it. Either about seen this before from Gary and ruler. Yeah. Yeah. He's been here before. I also have Barry starts drinking with Tyrian. I don't think we don't really see various drinking much. I imagine that like he's a lightweight here. Majid him getting pretty instantly rocked. He's talking to cheer in his leg. I'm target is this this is there is no good job. Can't trust her I drunk western history would be fun. Some version of that has to exist already. I think so I think some of YouTube search so. Tyrian tells are doing did not her father embarrass gives them reassures him. Like, no, she won't be now with right counsel to make her listen to you. If you're if you're here, if you're listening, if she's listening to you, I feel good about about the future of west coast. But if she's not taking your advice, then we're we're in a little bit of a bad way seems to be the subtext we find out that various drinking because apparently there's very bad news for the king in the north and Varis is not a fan of what's in what's whatever's in the letter here, but we're gonna find out pretty quickly. What's in there? Okay. So we're going to be in the war room. And we have the update that same one that the Maistre seem to have gotten about how the army of the dead is marching towards each swatch. Yeah. It's a little bit of a more personalized note. Because John is also getting news that not only is brand alive. Aria? Is back in winter Velez. Well. Out that. Yes, john. I need to go home. I gotta go home. He's did you just get here. Very scared of what's going on back there. The the plan quickly becomes. Well, maybe like we could get everybody to stop fighting this war if we can get everybody to believe that the white walkers are real and Tyrian is talking about his sister. Maybe we can convince her that this is a real thing. But how could we do that? Got capture as ambi-, bro. Yeah. This isn't get more pushback in the room. Everybody seems to have gotten on board with this pretty quickly. Pretty quiet everything that's happening dragonstar, and it's happening fairly swiftly. Unless you want to believe that this has been, you know, they've all been hanging out for a few weeks, which I'm fine with I like that. I think like after a few weeks of hearing John snow saying say the same stuff over and over and over again, you know, some of the details, he's probably giving them. I think eventually you come to believe like these guys are not liars. Maybe a little dumb a little daft these northerners, but they are not liars. They're honest people. So after a while, someone is smartest. Narration the council that she keeps eventually these people like oh, man. I think I think they're probably right about the water thing. We've probably gotta deal with that. Do we ever get Varis? Come to Jesus moment with the white walkers and the night king sort of like another character in the story who detests all things magic seems that he might be a little bit more of a skeptic about this. Not yet as far as I can tell. I mean, he seemingly on board with everything going on here. He's entertaining everything he's talking about how you know. You're going to you're going to try and convince sir see about all of this. Like, I think it's a mistake. But I mean, he's playing out the scenarios. I think bears is going to find out for sure that this is legit soon enough. So okay. So I mean, he obviously has an understanding that magic is out there in the world. So he's not one of these skeptics that thinks that there's no such thing as sorcerers. I guess he's seen it all already. So this isn't the hardest thing in the world for him to imagine. So I think so we'll bring a white Walker back. And then we also have to make sure that he's going to grant us an audience and not murderer us the moment that she shows. How could we do this Tyrian will take care of that? He'll take care of that. Megan if he can get into king's landing, we we finally we've got some use of the onion. Knight yield smuggler. He's got some tricks. Yes. Davos is a smuggler he can smuggle Tyrian in. But he's not a fighter. They run into any trouble from the gold cloaks that's going to be. I love how often Davos has to remind. I'm not much about fighter. He really doesn't want opening tips. Yeah. So my father has the worst handshake of anyone I've ever encountered in my life. It is really horrible. It's like, it's like shaking dead fish. It's terrible. It's cold. It's clammy. It's week. It's awful and after years of weathering it and just like feeling terrible about it. I finally confronted him on said, why do you have such a bad handshake? You have to know your handshake is awful. And he said it's because he doesn't want anybody to expect anything from him. They want people to not have to expect anything. If you have a terrible handshake knowing expects anything from you know, one's going to depend on you. He wants to keep people's expectations very low, and I feel like 'Davis talking about how he's not a fighter and saying it with repetition is similar whereas like don't expect anything for me because we're going to be very surprised in the instances where does have to fight much as with the battle the. Where he was totally serviceable and fine. So you gotta get those expectations low dead fish handshake style. Well, that's a great story. Yeah. Yeah. So Davos is going to smuggling Tyrian that's gonna be the move. We're also going to get Giora is going to go north of the wall. He'll go do that. Hey, I have nothing else to do. I haven't even unpacked yet. I'm ready to go. Yeah. Really giora. And he's okay. He's up for it. And the free folk will help us too. So that's good. They won't follow, sir. Giora and John's won't have to and John snow is going to go to Johnson Johnson on the plan. He's going to lead the charge north of the wall to find a white and Dabo's doesn't like this plan. John's but king in the north is not a Knight's watchmen anymore. He can't just be going willy nilly beyond the wall. But he is gonna do it. Because this is the right thing. You knows how to fight him. He's the only one who does. And he's got business to attend to not benching Danny is not thrilled. I haven't given you permission to leave and Johnson. I'm not asking. I don't need you position on the king. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. On really buying his own height. Pretty quickly. Yes. Okay. So he's leaving. He's off. He's going to do it. And that's the that's the plan. I mean, I do like his whole sales pitch put my trusted you. You're strange. I knew it was the best chance right people. Please trust a stranger in return. And she's like hard to fault that logic. That makes sense. Yeah. Another angry city council meeting going on at winter fell. Yeah. Yon Roy's whatever reason. Yeah. They're complaining about why did the king in the north leave us. We just made him king in the north. Yeah. Seems to be in on Santa Santa's really trying to explain everybody. Like John's doing his best for John to come back. Nobody wants to nobody wants to hear it. Yeah. But most of all aria is giving Sansa the stink is she doesn't like how stanzas handling all this. So here we are. Now, we're really we're really starting to get into it. Right. Like, this is probably correct me if I'm wrong, I think that this is the most maligned aspect of season seven is the infighting between Santa and our and the fact that the stark sisters are not on the same page seems like REO starting to feel maybe a little murderous towards her big sister and Santa's not appreciating where aria is coming from aria doesn't like that. Santa's just allowing these people to insult Jon snow while John is gone. She thinks that Santa's to him vicious that. She has her I on the throne, and Santa doesn't think that aria has any idea what she's talking about. And it's going to lead to these narrow where it seems like we're to be believing that Arias going to try and kill Sansa, obviously that would. Ever happen. But why are we even spending any time on this? Detour is it as bad in the rewatch as it was at the time so far for you. Yes. Because it doesn't make sense still. Are we supposed to believe? So this is all real real f r f r that we had everything going on here with Sansa and aria little finger is playing them against each other. As we'll see later on the episode where looks like he gets aria to fall into one of his traps. And then at the last minute brand is able to shut enough light on the situation that then aria in Santa get on the same page, or are we to believe that they are scamming little fingers the whole time and that they are having fights with each other in rooms by themselves. The as part, okay? Yeah. It's got to be the first thing. It's gonna be the first thing that there. There's actual agitation here. I think that both Santa. And are you have a lot of reasons in their lives to be very angry? Very damaged looking for somebody to blame. And I think for Santa all for family reunions. So far have been so pleasant and have been so surprising in in. How certainly at least the one with John surprising in the warmth that she has received that to see our back here somebody who she had a frosty relationship with to begin with acting the way that she's acting in a time. That's very stressful is a figurative and potentially literal needle in the side that she does not need. I for aria somebody who has been away from all forms of warmth in humanity for so long. Now, she's struggling very hard to fit back in. And she has this very house of black and white view of how things should go. When it comes to the Starks that family, I you know, sort of in that Randall tar, we mold of like, it's all about us primarily, it's the pack. And everybody else is secondary. And how could you possibly be even thinking about speaking negatively about John? So I understand where the conflict is coming from for both of these characters, but the scenes are unpleasant. I think that the no one likes watching these characters going at each other the way that they are. And it's you know, it's resolved in a way, that's so confusing that it causes these scenes to kind of play confusingly as well. Right. Even the Sansa in John scenes that we talked about from last season in in their reunion. You know, Sansa, and John would sort of but heads, but sort of at the end of every conversation that there would be some sort of like, you know, you're right. I should listen to you. Right. I'm so happy that you're that we're back together. And we don't get any of that with Sansa aria in these scenes, there seems to be like some genuine disdain after everything they've been through all the family members. They've lost that they're back together, and you know, adage other's throats because of this like pal. Alice intrigue at winter fell. Yeah. Yeah. I think a degree. I think some of it is understandable for the characters. It's just it's unfortunate to watch. And I think it's it's portrayed in a kind of clumsy sloppy way. I do think that this is the weakest material in season seven. Okay. All right. So we're going to head over to the beach. Landing. Yeah. And here we go. Dabo sin teary are going to park on the shore. And they're going to go their separate ways and Tyrians. Hey, just gonna leave the boat here. What happens to somebody takes the boat and says, well, then we're screwed. Yeah. He says it would be weird. And it's very funny. Yeah. And they have another great moment when they're landing on the beach to Tyrian is back in king's landing for the first time in season forty says the last time I was here. I killed my dad with a crossbow and was the last time. I was here you killed my son with. Wow. A lot of a lot of a lot of reasons for grudges between these characters on on this show. Yeah. There's a lot of that. Especially when we get to the last couple of minutes as a lot of like, hey, you did this to me this to me. So we're getting the fast version of that with all these characters here in the endgame. Okay. Ron is going to be leading Jamie down into the dungeons beneath the red keep for a little bit of some sparring practice and Jamie's like this is weird is at my birthday. Why you do why acting strange Epping day? No, it's not it's surprise though. Hey, it's Tyrian Tyrians here for the sake of the surprise of the scene. We the audience are robbed the first reunion of Tyrian in Bron, which is a which is a real shame. Like had it added Tyrian arrange this. We never get to find out which is kind of sad. Okay. And so. We see Jamie interior and back together. And Jamie is not thrilled. No, he doesn't like this at all. He hates Tyrian. The last time he parted ways with Tyrian. And it seemed like it was going to be fine. And then Tyrian killed their father and Jamie promised. He would cut him in half the next time. He saw him and he wants to make good on that. Here return is trying to talk some sense into Jamie. Yes, I think it helps that Jamie does not seem to have a real sword has only the sparring sword. Terraces that would take a minute. If you want to do that Tyrians Stratton explain like, you don't understand. He's gonna execute me. I was innocent. Let's cut to the chase here. What are you? What do you want? I think this is a sad part of Tyrians arc that comes up again later in the season when he sits across from, sir. See is he's really trying to get his siblings to understand where he's coming from into like acknowledged that he had it rough growing up that he was always on the wrong side of his father for reasons that were completely beyond his control. And neither of them have any interest in hearing on this is just like this. Wound that he is going to have to learn how to how to live with the idea that he'll never get it resolved the way he wants it resolved. Very sad. Really sad frontiersman. Yeah. Tyrian tells Jamie how deniro gonna win the war. You have to see it our way, but she is willing to suspend the hostility of sir c agrees to something. Yeah. And Jamie says if you want seriously bend, the knee Askar yourself and Tyrian says that's not what she wants. At least not right now, she has some more urgent business. Ask you meanwhile, over in flea bottom DAV Osaze heading over to the blacksmith shop, and he finds somebody that we have not seen in many years on game of thrones. It's the return of Kendari Gandhi's back back again. Yes, he he's he's he's been he's been gone from game of thrones for as long as he was on game. Thrones. Maybe even longer at this point time-wise was longer this first three seasons and then dilly-dallied with four five six seven. Great line from Davos talking about what injury was up to. I thought you might still be rowing. Yeah. He he's been reading the blogs. He knows what people are saying. Yeah. Okay. Have a laugh and. Basically, Dabo sues asking Genry to join them and genners like, yes, sure. I'll leave right now. Like close the store. Let me let's get out of here. I've been waiting my whole life. Let's go. Yeah. Iraq. Semi Esco Innis. Get it move from Ganji here who just wants to get out of here. Get be at of king's landing. I've been making weapons for the Lancasters. All this time. I've been making weapons for the people who killed my family. Every time. I swing this hammer. I just want us mash into some Lancaster faces which explains the eagerness in just a moment from now. Yeah. All right. So okay, let's get out of here. And so they are going to take gantries giant war hammer, Allah, a Robert breath. Ian, Bobby Bobby B, and they're going to head out to the boat and about to make a clean get-away just have to wait for Tyrian. Oh here comes to of the gold cloaks, and here's riff raff over here show. Yeah. What do you got there? Air for Menton crabs. I can smell from premier. Yup. So generous war hammers in the boat. They like throw the the like blind. Get though is that a sentence sheet that's covering the fermented crab in the. Xanten sheet, and they the row that over the war hammer and says, oh, look at this ferment, it crab. Yeah. It gets you going going. Also, I up that actually Davos bribes the guys that he's done this before I don't know if he tried to do a low ball offer on the negotiation of five gold dragons, but it's fifteen a piece for those guys. And then they come over to look at what Voces smuggling and w. The fermented crab is quite the Afridis EAC and the the local brothels they use this to really boost the business. Yeah. Parily that's the stuff. And these guys like, oh that sounds that sounds pretty good awesome. Take a by. Apparently, they like it. Right. So okay. So they seem. You know, interested in what dolls has their when did Davos get the fermented crabs? What I wanted to also do you think that the fermented crab might have been a placebo? Maybe I like we said I took them at the start of the podcast, and it's been hot blooded the always through. So it's working. Yeah. Okay. Devil says alright hurry over to your favorite establishment put a hole in that chain mail. Doha's really might be my favorite character. Yeah. So much great. And then Tyrian ends up walking out like walks past the gold cloaks, and it's a little like of a comedic moment with a gold closely. Hey dwarf, wait what? And then like, oh, don't try any more because. Wait to see the first hits you, and then we're going to start to get into it with Tyrian and Genry knows. It's go time. Yeah. It's time and he's picks up the hammer and just smash these people to bits Nile these phases destroyed phases hour like okay. Let's go. All right. So we go back to the red keep and we see, sir. See is you know, once again meeting with Khyber, n- Khyber and always here. He's he's helping out. Yeah. The hand of the Queen. He's her guy. Okay. All right. Sourcing knows that Jamie went to meet with Tyrian. Yes. She does everything takes it. Well. Sheetings Braun needs to get a demerits. Yes. Punishment for Braun for betraying Jamie again. But certainly knows everything and that she is on board with the accommodation of the dragon Queen yet could be in our immediate interests. She's got the numbers to numbers game to beat her. We gotta be clever. A minority. Split vote is what she's thinking. Yes. So as as a bad actor, she is very much in favor of the face to face summit with the denarius to buy her some more time placid movement. Good plan. Good plan. Just these are scary stories that they're slinging about right now about dead men and dragons and dragon queens terrifying times if you can buy yourself a little bit of extra time to figure out what the heck is going on do that makes sense. You know, you've got to get the golden company here too. So that's going to take a minute. So by your time. All right. But I see has another bombshell to drop on Jamie. She points more golden company on the way, check this out. Look at this this baby baby in here, the OB. Yep. Jamie's little say is the father you silly. What you silly Billy? You're. The dad. Yeah. And remember what what are dad used to say about the people? Lie into not concern himself with the opinions of sheep, unless the lion thinks, he's sheep like Lambert, the sheepish lion. That's a whole different story. Great story, though. Okay, sir. Sees baby. How big of a deal? Should we be thinking about this going into season h us? Yeah. I mean, I've had a lot of thoughts on this. I think that sir sees pregnancy is likely to be a big deal for the resolution of her character. I think it is a point in favor of her ultimate survival of potentially being imprisoned, but the baby surviving, but that's just because of the instinct of game of thrones isn't going to kill a baby. Like, they're going to kill a pregnant woman. And then you have lash Bax to the season two premiere where they killed a baby and the red wedding where they killed pregnant woman. So is that enough to to buy, sir? Seattle a fatal fate. I don't think so alternately I think I've speculated. Little bit that that servcies pregnancy could could play into the aria stark and game. We don't need to fully relitigate that here. But I think that that could that could actually have some impact on how things might land for aria. And I think for Jamie who has been speculated to for a long time now to to close out this prophecy of the Vallon car, which is a younger sibling in in Valerian that Jamie has been speculated as the person who's going to kill, sir. Syed some day. I think that him becoming not just the king slayer, but the Queen slayer and potentially killing his own child as a result would just add to the insane tragedy of Jamie, Lancaster. So this is a very loaded thing heading into the final season. I'm not entirely sure how it's going to play out. All right. Let me throw a wild theory could leaser see die in childbirth. As sir. Sees own mother died when she gave birth to Tyrian allegedly. And then technically I mean, if it's Jamie's child would that be a resolution to the prophecy? Yeah. I think that that could work, and you could also interpreted as this is the youngest of the of the children that she adds the youngest sibling there. Yeah. I could see that. That'd be crazy. That'd be while hidden it just in case, Jamie. We've sort of seen him never really have a relationship with any of his kids that we sort of had like those seen that he had with Marcella right before she died, and then only a brief scene or two with Tomen. Is it possible that, you know, Jamie coud go onto a raise the baby after the fact not impossible. I it's hard to imagine a happy ending for Jamie, Lancaster, that would be the closest one that I could think of, but he's just he's in such bad way with his loyalties to the Lancasters and the the white Walker war coming and his whole allegiance to, sir. See that target imagine. How he how he ever finds himself in the good graces of deniro star Garin, for example or the Starks which sides at the end of the season. Yeah. But not no. That he pushed brand out a window yet. You know, what's what's going to happen? Once that comes to light. So there's there's a lot of unresolved questions. I love the idea of like Jamie and his newborn son like going off into the world. Like a like, a new age lone wolf and cub blown lion. Cub. I think would be one. I don't know. It'd be it's certainly on the it's on the board. I wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked now that you've put that out there in the university. I think it's a it's a decent theory. I think it's pretty good actually. Okay. Davos has a great scene here with Gandhari where votes basically tells Genry that we're gonna go meet up with Jon snow, and he says the kings got a lot on his mind. And he's he doesn't need to be worried about you. Your name is Clovis. You are just a blacksmith, and you are coming to pay respect before he goes off to winter fell. And injury says okay, got it Clovis. Just the blacksmith. Understood. Got it. One hundred percent, of course. Yes. Yeah. And he meets John snow and says, hey, John, this is Clovis and quotas. Yeah. Just kidding. I'm getting I'm rob for the bastard, son. Yeah. Equa? This is not real. Little andrea. Clovis field busted. That's not happening. I'm gandhari. Bobby was my dad. Yeah. The funny exchange where John says, you're a lot leaner says your lot shorter kit Harrington shade. Yeah. No. I think that that's fine. Kid Harrington has a lot going for him. I think he can handle the height humor, especially it's like baked into the to the show. That's fine. These guys are like best friends video. Yeah. Okay. So they hit it off. And we both have heard stories about that. And again, re is up for the battle. He has a war hammer you can handle himself Dabo says he's a fighter. He's good at fighting. Not like me, I'm bad at fighting. But he could do it. Says like. Nobody mind me all I've ever done is live to a ripe old age. Yeah. And he says he says it's better to be a coward for a minute then dead for the rest of your life more of that dead dead. Fish handshake logic. Okay. So we see Tyrian with Giora, and they have a little bit of a reunion. It's nice. I like these two together. I think it's fun Tyrian saying, this is the coin Mr. echo gave us and is gonna is gonna pay us for the rest of our lives. So I want you to take this. And I want you to bring it back to me. So that you can you can make it back here in one piece. That's very nice. If you okay, and Danny is going to have a good bye with John. Yeah. And John's it's sweet where John says the good news. If I don't come back. You don't have to deal with the king and the north anymore. But I like the king of the north. Yeah. Okay. John wishes deniro's good fortune in the wars to come classic. Classic goodbye. What we say all the time to each other. When we off the podcast that we don't record when Robin. I got off the line. All right. So John is off with with Joe Giora. Yeah. All right citadel. Sam is a. He's cracking. He's he's he's pleased displeased the whole thing. He doesn't like that. He's getting shut out by the Mace tres. He's really seeing red to the point that he's not even really listening to Gilly who is reciting all this information from all these books that she's reading about the highest septum Maynard's, bowel movements, and annot mints and prince Ray, Gars and omits and Sam cuts her off. And if he hadn't he would have gotten some key information a little bit sooner than he ends up getting it. Yeah. Classic. Sam 's planning everything to Gilly. Meanwhile, she has all the information or right in front of our. Yeah. Go is the Princess who was promised, right? Sam ultimately is going to crack he is tired of the Mace tres not doing anything. He's going to go to the library. And then just steal all the books and take Sam Gilliam, then just get the heck out of there. Get out of there. Yeah. They're done. They're going to act to the northeast finished. Okay. All right to read about the achievements of becherman. He wants to be one of the better men. Okay. Let's go back to this. Frustrating REO story line a little bit of cloak and dagger going on. I mean what what's there to say? This is a scene where REO Bolers little finger around for a bit. And then he kind of leads into a room where she finds. She finds out some stuff she that, he's planted. He wants her to read letters and things and then he's secretly watching her. The whole time reset finger has he had gone, Royce go and and track down, and yeah, I mean, it's it's what. Answer wrote back in season one after Ned God captured and Santa's trying to get everything to be resolved. Neatly father's been charged trees in and you need to bend the knee, and you need to help everything going on otherwise dad's gonna die. This is what she was pressured into writing when she was a kid and little finger. If our reads are going to be pissed and try to kill Sanson than Sansa. We'll have just cause to take down aria and with aria out of the way little finger will be able to more readily manipulate the stark situation because Arias scares the pants off of them. He saw her fighting in the courtyard before so that's little fingers move here. That's what he's trying to do here. Right. But not the poke holes in little fingers plan. If his move is to try to make REO wanna kill Sansa fill like that. Like, really good killing people. I think little finger play a little fast and loose here. Little finger underestimates the stark sisters gets killed, so okay. All right. So she is going to sneak into little fingers room reads, the no, but then the joke was on her because a little finger was spying on on aria, the whole time and wanted her to find the note, so okay back and forth. All right. I wanna see that scene. Reedited with the Pink Panther music underneath. That's what I want. All right. Let's go back to east watch. Yes. So we're going to east watch which was last mentioned, many episodes ago, and by many, I mean, like five at this point torment in the free folk have been manning Eastwood, they get the get the castle to themselves because that's seems to be the likeliest port of entry for the night king and the white walkers so John rolls up to east watch with Dabo, sin, Gandhari and Giora in tow. Because they want to go north of the wall, and they wanna capture a white and bring it back to king's landing and torment is. Doesn't love the idea right away. Yeah. He's saying you want to do what what how many queens are there? Now. What do we what is this plan? Again. Like, I mean, it's crazy that torment is the person in this entire episode. That says hold on run this past one more time doing. Yeah. I like how he's living track of the queen's or he's like which one we have to convince the one of the dragons or the one who blames her brother. I guess he's the person who's like finding out the plan at the last minute. And he is going to be very involved with the plan. Whereas a lot of the people that thought up the plan were sort of like, okay? And then we'll see if this works, right? He's the guy in charge of the east watch. So, you know, coming into my house and telling me what we're doing. So, but it turns out that they're not the first people with an ideal, or at least a reason to be this bar north because they've got some guests in the east watch prison cells. Yeah. And we are reunited with the hound and barracked on Derian and thorough of MIR. And we've got the whole ocean seven here together and thorough says the shakes it's not going so thorough. Who isn't he hasn't been? Allowed to drink much. He's very upset about that. He's recognized by Giora more Mont after Gandhari. I recognize the brotherhood was like these are the guys who gave me to the red woman who put the leeches on my stuff. Upset about that. And then jurors oh, man Thoresen doors. Oh, man, Giora more money, and like your Mormon endorses euro wild. Yep. And barrack says we all hate each other. This is great where at the edge of the world the edge of extinction. Roll here. We hate each other. But we're here. He is same reasoning. Yeah. Doing what we're going to look for a white. It's. It's crazy. For. I would love free daily and Keith to find the fermented crab. I'd be very concerned about what would happen. I don't know. Crystals and find it. Oh god. Hammer. Right. So we are going to be setting up a much better cliffhanger this week net. Quite a conventional cliffhanger more of like a to be continued. Speaking of Keith, it's cool. I mean as the next episode fully honor, the promise of Eastwood, probably not I actually didn't get in in in hindsight. We at the start of the podcast, we talked about this as a as a chess pieces episode, but it's a fun chess pieces good I liked it had low expectations going in and is a cool ending. It's got this real energy to as everyone's like charging off into the unknown and the future is bleak possibility and the result is relatively bleak as well. It's just maybe not as exciting more as airtight wraps. But I don't know we're gonna we're gonna talk about beyond the laws or next podcast two weeks from now, and we'll get to reevaluate it with hindsight really not a lot to reevaluate in terms of what we know will happen in the following up because we only have one additional episode to judge it against. Beyond beyond the wall. But I think with a year and a half on from having seen that absurd. I'll be curious to see what what we think about it. Okay. All right. Anything else from east watch note? That's all I got. Yeah. We just send everybody out the back door and then out into the freezing cold, and we're going to see what happens to everybody next time out. What do you feel like is the promise that is unfulfilled in the next episode? I don't know. I mean, I think that beyond the wall is not a super fondly remembered episode of the show, I think that a lot of people had issues with beyond the wall. I do think when you think about like the penultimate installments of game of thrones seasons, which are typically the most exciting episodes of given season is it bottom of the barrel. It's either bottom of the barrel or second to last depending on how you feel about the dance with dragons in season five. I think most people think about hard home kind of sort of filling that spot even though it comes in earlier. I think a lot of it comes down to like people's issues with raven flight path and all of that. So we'll see we'll see if we feel that same way. I think that there's some people who are really low in this episode and not a ton of people who are massively high on it. So I'll be I'll be very interested to see what we think about when we encounter it together. Yeah. I think I remember it being better. The finale was underwhelming. But that could just be it's been a minute. It's been a minute. It's been a okay. All right. So that's we're gonna in two weeks in two weeks. Everybody two weeks. We would have been in it. You know, you've got you've got a little before we get hanging there. Everybody to will be great. And it'll be great power back. Of course. Josh Wheeler will be publishing so much a game of thrones news that you'll you'll think that he was hopped up on ferment crab weeks. Yeah. Was yes, go ahead and follow all of that. Either on Twitter at round Howard or at ta dot com slash game of thrones. I am at rob sister. You know, I been talking about the Walking Dead with Jessica lease and falling. It's we've had fun covering this back half of the season. Yeah. Lots of talk about Henry alpha. The highway men the highway movies. Yup. Can highwaymen. Yeah. All right. So we will talk to you again game of thrones in two weeks as we are inching closer to the game of thrones season eight for me, or if you can believe it everybody. Good one.

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The White Book S11E22 434

The White Book

55:41 min | 1 year ago

The White Book S11E22 434

"Welcome to the white. Book. podcast the original egging L. CG podcast originally founded in two thousand ten. To Champs trump, we decided to rebrand when game relaunched second. A huge. Thank you goes out fantasy flight games or Dr Martin for this game world. We Love, and of course to my co-host you the list. Please if you enjoy the show, leave us a review on I answered. Joyce comment on facebook threads or even better support us on Adriaan. We love turning that kind of support back into the unit. This is season ten of the White Book. Men. Follow us and let them know you. Don't ask your men die for a stranger. Go sage advice from entered. Seems reasonable. But is that from a cat chapter that from John Chapter? Who that is a great question I don't know I normally, I'm pulling it off of a search of ice and fire. So I can see the chapter references this time I pulled it off of cards Don't know. Okay We'll need a listener to chime in and tell us I mean, they won't, but we need them to. Ideal world. In an ideal world. Man. The listeners summertime Cova. The end of the official game, whatever the combination is man, they didn't even catch that never posted the link to At this point, the episode, there was two weeks ago. I posted link. The the episode was like up in feeds and You know podcast search engines and the like. But I never bothered to post it in the facebook group on accident. Nobody even caught it. All you know. It's easy to miss that stuff though. Gone are the days when somebody like? Aaron. What hound me if I was like? You know four hours late posting episode. Case Us. Well. While, we wistfully looked back on the days that were. About, we continue our wistful look back at thrones. Card releases. Yeah. Seems good. So I think that brings us onto the. Stark. Box is where we are right. Yes Sir I don't Luxy box. Wolves. Of Winter. North. Of the North there we go. I just wanted the alliteration so. And I didn't get it. Yes I. Sometimes Confuse this with Lords of the north which I think was the first edition one. Win and I've I've got him on a shelf behind me. But I realize now there's another box sitting in front of them. So it can't just turn around and read them easily from my seat at the desk. You kept the boxes. Yeah. The kind of like rainbow effect looks. Nice stacked up on the on the very top of my game show like above all the ones that actually get out and US So got all the like I said core set, and then all the expansions and the second had corps said and all the expansions. I when I first bought into two first edition, first button I I kept them all in their original chapter packs like Monagas and stuff, and then before my first Gen con because we. Hadn't fully decided on one what decks we were bringing 'em people needed to build stuff I put them in boxes like actually unpacked. Traditional card. Is Yeah. Yeah. And so in fact, my second edition collection is currently in binders, but I'll be moving into boxes for. Moving and storage soon. So. Just much easier to. Store those boxes than it is these binders. Yeah, yeah definitely. So anyway Of? The North So there were three themes. that. Nate laid out that they were trying to develop here. Wound. Dire, House tully and winter. Plus concept of. That there are two cards. Of from one character in one non character. From each non stark faction and they're all non loyal. And the design to play with the stark faction or play against the start. Faction. So where do you WanNa start well, you want to start at the big picture of Black Hawks in second edition your. Feelings you want to talk about the Non Star Cards. Yeah. Let's. Let's start with the the big picture of deluxe boxes since this is our first one here. Especially because the I thought that occurs to me is the relevance of starting with the starks in particular which I think has obviously some Nedley. Right aside from the prologue chapter, the stocks. Are the first perspective we get. They are. Far and away the the favorite. Faction or family in the fan base for very long time though you know, I would be curious by the end of the HBO show to see if if that had shifted. I mean I'm sure targe was giving them a run for their money but I'm not certain if the if the starks have held out in Phantom I, feel considering that Aria and SANSA. And John were popular characters up to the end of the show. Like they were you know. I think that I think that like the Big Three. Tar, Lancaster Stark are probably still the most popular. Houses and I'd say star it's hard to dislodge simply because there's so many of them. You know. We get what? Double them as probably the next closest house, the Lancasters. and. They're just so central to so much of that action of the show. Particularly you know John and. towards the end of the show. SANSA. Like a lot is going on with both of them that I imagine their popularity kind of. Never, really waned. Yeah. So I mean it makes perfect sense then to to start with stark as the first box. So that that was my most top level thought. Yeah I. Think. I mean. There's I really don't understand the release box order beyond. The I two. Of Starting Lancaster. because. Why was targe last I still don't. Understand that like to this day. Yeah. I. Don't know 'cause we went. We went to night's watch. Earlier action the. Yeah. Thanks John. Right that that's my best guess is that they wanted to capitalize on John's popularity from the show. But. Then then you go targ and then great joy. whip. Sorry I'm I'm trying to. Type stuff. Rage in Gary Y-. So. Yeah. No, that's. Like your sorry. Some of them felt like it's market research, right? Like you know if you think about it. Four of the five most popular factions are. You know represented in the first. Five boxes, but definitely, target area is more popular than Martell. Martell loyalists who were GONNA flip out about that idea. But sure it's kind of arguable. The Danny is one of the most iconic characters series And the fact of the last box I guess if something's going to be us to you, make it one of the more popular ones because. Lancaster. Was the last first edition, box right. No I. Think it was targeted again. So wasn't it? I. Don't. I don't know I'm here. After, all the boxes out. So yeah, I'm trying to think if there is actually A. Easy place for me to check that release order now. The game of thrones listing on card, game deep? Be. Maybe, the okay. Yeah. Assuming assuming this order is right The the first ED boxes went gradually Martel, and that definitely sounds right than stark than Barath Ian than targe than Lancaster was indeed last because it makes sense. Mike is martell great. Joy were not fully. Fleshed out in the core set, right. So yeah. Yeah. In the IPAD. So I those were definitely the first two that that is extremely familiar. Yeah. This this seems about right from from what I remember people talking about but. We didn't have to deal with that in Second Ed know. Very. Smart decision to support all factions from the beginning But yeah, anyway, besides release order I think that on a mental level. The boxes. The START I feel like the boxes. Started off from a place where they were designed to be. Evergreen products. That were at a power level somewhere around the core set and I think. The stocks and the Lancaster box. Hainan succeed. At that and But the litterbox dealt starting with the nightwatch box, which I think is a pretty significant power level increase from. The. First two. But still somewhere within the realm of the first two boxes, and then once you get to the tyro box. Gloves are all. So to speak Martell box, it's. All down the from there? Now, the the question is is, is that due to changing designers and Danny having different mentality? Is that because? F G is a more generic whole changed their vision of what boxes are supposed to do or does the conspiracy theorist. Hey at that point, they already realized they were not going to bother with rotation I. Think it's not enough I. Think. Boxes still had the influx cards to affect the existing Meta game. So they were always designed not in A. Once, there are enough cards at a higher power level. You know starting around when the third cycle really kicks off. Into the fourth cycle you know. you start building boxes not as in conversation on design level with the Corset but in a conversation with where the game is right now. and that creates all kinds of issues. And you start trying to bill make cards that respond to existing mitigate problems which you would generally. Do a chapter pack rather than creating like Evergreen, tools for a factions court deputy. Yeah. And you get into situations where there's factions like Tyrel, which go into that box, tyrel was definitely one of the weaker factions particularly. Amano. Tyrel deck particularly one that's not a rush monetary. and. you start injecting power into it to bring it to the level where other cards. Are So I think the box designed philosophy is a victim of the slow release of chapter packs the the fact that the Carpool in L. Jesus. Pretty small in general, and the fact that rotation is very slow. If at all if at all, but never I mean. They're still new one L. CG in fantasy flights history that has made it to rotation isn't. To be approaching it relatively soon. Right? A hasn't made it yet. So. I. The the non cynical part of me just factually says, it has not made it there yet. The cynical part of me says, don't expect it to make it past. Her. thinking though about those type of like. Top level design issues with the the boxes I think it might be worth. Taking a look at the way. The deluxe boxes try to still Let's say justify their sales to a broader perspective of the community than only stark fans right by by including a couple of cards for every other faction. Cards that are all non loyal In. Cash at the base level I can see that makes sense. Right? Especially, if you're projected entry path into the game is to buy a core set and then buy a house box of your favorite faction definitely what I did when I started. Right right and. and. So then by making these cards non-oil, you minimize the number of dead. So to speak cards that folks have off the bat and you know if done well with the synergistic stuff, then you can. You can. Maybe. Some guide posts on debt construction. Right? Rightly. Maybe you WANNA. Build. The Crossover, night deck that that uses some tyrel stuff and some stark stuff in whatever the combination might might be. It can give you that, but I think you run into a couple. Weird. Issues one quickly and one later The quick one is when you then have some of these cards designed. As affectionately counters in that box because now now you've muddled what your goal is. Now you're saying, well, yeah, my intro path for people to buy core set one of these but then instead of focusing on giving them cool stuff to build will now I'm also giving them. Counter pieces which wait a minute. If they just excitedly bought the start box, will they probably don't WanNa blow their time building a Martell DHEC to counter the stark Dak or whatever. So it's just kind of a a muddling of that clear path I would have liked to have seen the answer cards be planned at the time like the the the box was designed and then have them release in the cycle after that box right I, guess the problem would run into where say there's some very powerful stark theme. Let's say like firewalls is very powerful, it's not but and you print like to anti. Wolf. Card, you don't want those ever rotating, right? If, you think that that theme Super Powerful and you want. To always have access to it right to the answers. I. Yeah. But I guess if you are already planning on a product to be. Evergreen than you should probably be careful with that power level as well or maybe include. You know counter themes as as a more generic rather than silver bullet style. I know it just feels kind of off and then. Speaking of that design and and how you handle that. Then you get into issues later on, like you were saying about boxes become much more reactionary to the the card pool at that time, the broader pool, the the the Meta movements. At stake at that point in time, and then you wind up with, we very weird things like say the the Lancaster. Man I always want to say the wrong location. It's not cheap red. It is the red keep. Okay. Yeah. I always always want to screw up which one it is That is printed as non loyal be. Because of the constraint of its a box, all of the. Like main house cards are on loyal, but all of the other like indicators in. Inter out that card yet in that design and even in the meadow response to. that it was kind of created for all of those point towards it being loyal and. So you you set yourself up for some very strange situations like that as time goes on. Yeah. I actually think the biggest flaw in the overall philosophy to boxes as laid out here is that all. Non. Start cards are not loyal I. think that if they had had the flexibility to make a few of them loyal based on design and balanced needs, I, think that. It would have led to better boxes. Because I think it I. This is me spilling least a little bit of Ti from play testing. I think there were times when cards got nerves too much because they were loyal or can be loyal and I think in a box and I think that later. Right keep is entirely appropriate in that box because there was going to be future product. and. So that's probably why it's there. But also reverse problem, which is there's push cards that you need to get loyal slapped onto them, but they can't. Because of you know the constraint of the boxes Meta design and I think it was definitely definitely a flaw. And one, that's GonNa, we'll come back to you when we get to those specific boxes. DO WE WANNA. WanNa go theme-by-theme. Yeah Yeah I. Think I think that seems reasonable the the way that. Nate, presented them in the article here that tallies I. Yeah. So. I have a soft spot for the Tali. Cards. The start box, the only successful deck that I ever built entirely by myself in second edition. Shortly after the Fox came out and it was. A stark. Combo cap build. Them. In the Realm minstrel and big cat, and I made the top eight of the first dragons with it before losing horribly to dark knowledge in the cut. And Saas Spot, and of course, these cards have proven over time to be extremely powerful and the stark sacrifice team, which I think was actually kinda failure for a long time. But which is actually pretty good. Because one of the things that is good about the stark is if rotation did exist, you can rotate out the Ba- the overpower sacrifice cards like sky goes and Wyman and still have you know. These, a news, a skeleton of these goes cards is still the skeleton that the. Art Pool, and you can rotate out one of the one set of support cards and rotated different one that do sacrifice a different way. So Wall. The sacrifice team is operatives during his box I. think the skeleton builds is pretty good and I. Think it's probably the most successful theme in the box. Oh Yeah. I think without a doubt the most successful. Does wealth. So the the sacrifice theme which you kind of Segue into their I mean, get some some key pieces here, but it was not expressly one of the themes that that they wanted to hit on or at least not one of the new Wednesday they wanted to hit on that is because it was definitely present in stark out of the course set but I think this is one of the best examples of. Of. The way for one of these boxes to expand on themes that were kind of hinted at in the core set and give them more. Depth. Without, or at least maybe lynch pin in Caitlyn's a sense. But without pushing them over the top this. This was kind of wear something like like sacrifice matured, but didn't become overwhelming Definitely, I, kind of conflicted. And and sacrifice their Because, of course, over time, the Athene, kind of just became about Combo. They became the but spelled out here. It's just rush. Ryan. Basically all they say, the point is right. Yeah. Which I think is like which is of weird, his cat, the seven cost cat You know who? Seven cost five strength Intrigue Power Attlee Loyalty to seven. Plus reach power. She has after dark character you control is sacrificed or kill catling gains power, which was around. This is kind of like the signature card of the box, and she's the most important character in the box, and she only kind of a little bit has to do with the power rush theme. Which I think is a weird design decision. Not Saying like I love this car. I. Think it's. The best design of the Mesa effect. I mean, the fact that Mace became famous for this effect before Catlin tells you initially how powerful was I think this is like the fairest version of this. Effect. I think she's a really well card, but you know the fact that she kinda doesn't supercenter is with the rush aspects. Obviously, she's good with Reverend Minstrel. But she doesn't like specifically help you. Rest X. aren't about eating their own board, right? usually. And so. She's just a weird card to be the highlight of the the tolleys. From a perspective. Right, it's. Yeah I mean because she. From Phrma Nedeli Sense. I guess has really pretty well given herself over to the stark. So. It's weird. But also the tallest from a flavor perspective. I, mean, folks really into the lower stuff of course, will always point out that the are distinct great house. So. It kind of does make sense to push them as A. Cohesive. Faction of some kind, even if it is a sub faction to this starts. To have that representation I, mean, and they have a lot of fan. Favourite, characters even some of the more bit players like the blackfish. For instance. So. I can see having not. Go ahead, blackfish is a traditional rush guard. Right definitely. Definitely. and looking at the rest of the box I mean. Honestly. They didn't get a lot in the traditional rush kind of perspective. The blackfish is obviously the minstrel that that you mentioned earlier. You're definitely a rush guard, but not quite in that Traditional vein. In fact, if if I were to throw any card out as a as a low point here, I might give it a to the minstrel because people really despise losing a game in the marshalling phase. I love instruments, my favorite one of my favorite. People love winning the game in the in the Marsh Lane phase. It's just losing it that that stinks but I mean past that. The really isn't much. The best, rush. Card in the pack is Edward. Who is definitely not a? Totally. saw. If anything the Where's he the Sefton? He's Anti Rash, right? If you're if you're trying to get power as fast as you can. There's not many situations where you want to. Give that power away to get a little bit of money. Because I guess the yeah. Yeah, there's this attempt to kind of play around with this like. Using power as an alternative resource theme in the Tallis is well. That doesn't entirely work. Mike, the hall, the House Tally Sefton Catlin giving power. blackfish not kneeling You know. It's. Interesting. But it never, it never coheres in the box and it never super coheres. In the broader carpool other except around the idea of like Combo cat. That, all just becomes sacrificed fuel for her like you were talking earlier. But I I, definitely appreciate the tally slash sacrifice team I. Think it's the best team in the pack. kind of like does while it doesn't cohere to particularly. US particularly strong. Set of cards. It does. There are clear signposts and. Egg, and it does I think overall have a positive effect on on the game. And other. Carpool. Yeah I. Mean I'm always a soccer for tribal stuff. So. Even. If the the police are not really as organized around a particular interlocking theme. I'm excited to have it there. So the next one is the puppies. Dire. Wolves. What do you think of dire wolves in this box house That it, it definitely does not even come together as much as the Tallis. mean the already a kind of hamstrung by. All of the characters. Only having military icons. I am from a multi cons yet. Yeah. That's A. that's a great question. And really from a really thematic nedley sense. I admit it's very hard to justify anything other than a military icon for the dire wolves and even for the dragons But so the on that front, and then they just they don't get. Much. Cares about it I, mean you get the wolves of the north which does definitely Key off of other dire wolf cards. If you wanna hit that tribal themes, the best. Signal of the theme. Yeah, but it's it's even kind of a weird. Right. Dash trying to to put these thoughts in the right order because we're already in this icon hampering issue, right? they effectively only have one icon available to them. The dire will set is. So, this card has stealth, which is potentially good because your opponent if you're going hard on one icon, if your opponent has a way to disrupt that, maybe you want some stealth to get around stuff and whatever. Okay. I can sort of see that and it makes some Nedley sense on the Wolfpack, but then you're giving this minus x strength. To that character, which then means. Like you're, you're not incentivized to do it on the cared rewarding stealth because there's strength is already not going to count in this challenge. So you're incentivized to do it on some other character, which means now you're wasting the stealth because you're still thinking a character that has say a power icon that maybe you're GonNa make a challenge with a different character, and so that doesn't help with this challenge at all gone in hard on military to have the dire wolves and. I. Don't know. It's just. The, it's emblematic of how they're kind of just hamstrung here. Until we get a very different brand stark much later as neat as it is. It's so narrow that it can't accomplish much. Yeah. I mean Sam brought did show that the dire will have a little bit more power than you would think but. I was. Some of that success was post that brand. But some of it was pre- that brand, right? If I, remember. Right. Because North is very powerful or time wolves that was Arthur seasoning a time for wolves is very powerful. which. I think. Is, one of the better dire wolf cards in here. Wolves to the north. Doctors, card, mostly Combo, with gray. Wind. And particularly enjoyed that Combo I've had done to me in. Various different levels in in in the game I don't know what it is always being paired against players who want to do the wolves of the north. Wind player a Combo. But. I think that the biggest issue is I agree with you is i. do think if there had been something like the bran affect in this box. You. Know it could have been. Like a dire wolf, only version of what's the song? It gives all three icons until of turn. Oh Wow. What it is. Oh Optical Tom. Right. Isn't that the optical tennis and that the song that? Gives everybody. All three icons be gold town survey says, yes. Yeah. So if there had been like an event version of that, that was like you know says, give dire wolf an icon of your choice or all three icons until end of Turner something. That would I think just made the diabled stronger. We can argue here and I would argue that some of the wolves could get power icons on thematic level as symbol of star power, and prestige. Wind. Goudev there could definitely a one with the power icon. But. That's going a little too much into the weeds. I just think that. The fact that is just the military icon that they have really does limit. Their their their possibilities out of the box. So I would I would definitely say that this is the second worst of those themes, and that's only because the winter themed. So awful. That I forgot that it was actually existed as a theme. Yeah It's bad. Not just. In this box, but pretty much across all of second edition. True winter's been making some roads and the current mental well. I don't know how you can following things but. ooh, I have not been following recent developments as much as I might. Call. Call. Crowd. While you get that pulled up by will just throw out there that for at least a very long chunk of Second Ed winter fell is effectively the only winter card that has mattered. Yes. Absolutely. True to start a start fealty player playing a a wintry build can second. To and then someone planes Dr. King's winter came in ninth. Just missed new. Inter. On tiebreakers so. And they both were playing winter ish builds. about actually all about. What's the term using Wilson North actually so as all right. So yeah, I mean, we're fellas strongest card in the pack. It's been the most influential card of the pack as well I think. In his overall I don't think it has really loft non rush stark dex. And there are were rush stark decks. Play winter fell down to today maybe not all three. But definitely, it's there. It's been a powerful force in the Meta game since its release. It's just all around the best car I mean. The best in the pack, but it just does such a poor job of pushing the winter theme, which I think less has to do with the reward that winter fell gives you because I think actually the reward when gives you for running winner is really strong. Is the fact that the winter plots of notoriously just garbage. Like the one in this pack, which is. The. Next to winter when readers cage. Snowed under on winners as long winters snowed under. A doll three are pretty bad. Just cash I so wanted to be good. I. So wanted this car to be good. Never proven to be good. Long winters okay. It's coming in and out of the Meta snowed under is a weird mealy card out. That's what I was. GonNa. Say it has its Malay plays for sure. But the fact that these are the winter plots and you know the only other. There's only one winter planet believing course that. One that I recall offhand at least the the to claim. but was there anything else? Like March doesn't have it right I. Don't think those Anti House Yeah March is just an needed. So yeah, I think winds of winter is the only winter block we have in the core set. Up and. So The fact that the best. So there's only maybe like two playable winter plots for like the first year, which was first winter and the long winter. really and then as you start seeing as we'll get to later, once we get to the second cycle and a couple of weeks some plots just become. Really strong. So. It just becomes really just not attractive to run winter. I think maybe the success of some winners, XP slave shown winners finally been pushed enough to be playable, but it just again winter fellow such a busted card, but winter stark winter decks never quite there. Even though this card winner fell which I'll just read one more time `fore costs which fell each start cared his in strength reaction after initiated neo NFL than each player with a non winter. Black Art revealed cannot trigger part abilities until the end of the challenge. This card is just so good, but the the winter theme so bad. Yeah Yeah I mean at. I. Don't know what else to say about the the winter. Theme. Such as it is I mean that. As, far as theme goes, it's all just kind of a random mishmash of effects that just are only. In. Some relation to winter plots. Some are if the plots are revealed as hard as winter I. Honestly, if you had asked me thirty seconds ago, I would have sworn up and down that it only worked. If there is a winter plot card revealed, but no, it's only play. Only if there's a winter placard in your used pile, which actually I'm not even sure now if that's used on virtually any of the others. Holdover from first edition. Yeah. So the there's just calling it a theme almost seems too generous to me the. They're just disparate effects that need this one thing to turn on and because they are so all over the place. I. It is definitely the worst theme in the box. Yup. And Super Sad. But what I felt was again, it's been the police person of the metaphor. For four years. As as A frustrating as it can be to play against sometimes I would probably call it the all star of this whole box As far as you know, best card longest steady play, solid pressure valves sort of place in in the Meta game Just just across the board I would say it has made the best home for itself. Yeah. Yeah. With Pas I definitely thought you were coming back with Caitlin instead now, no I I think objectively, it's the best card. It's the only one here. That's never fallen out really of the Meta. You. Know it just constantly like a the stark fund police deck which started existing basically with have this box You know has never really left. even when stark was on the down swing, it still could constantly was underestimated proved that it still had some powerful cards. Actually. The more surprising thing about this box is just that some of these cards are still playable and star. In the Meta we have catlin entered. SANSA. Winner fell. Let me see, and then that's the stark cards to jump off to me. Ricken Mickey, almost missed Ricky Yeah. Ended, he did not see much play until pretty late in the second Ed life cycle yet. Once the search effect started to get pretty powerful Yeah. Besides Sam started playing him. And then. and then some of these like. Cards even had a justice is Viper is shadow tower auto house. Florent Nights. rain. weapons at the. Door. Fallen from favor. These, all cards that you see in the in the game to present like if someone flips this card in setup or on. So I turned plot, you're like, okay, these are reasonable cards. which is surprising when you think about. That this debt box was designed with a much lower power level. than was later than later boxes. Yeah, well, one thing about the design when you when you're running through all these cards, something that that struck me and this may have something to do with design. Aesthetic changing as years go by, shall we say right 'cause when when secondhand was launched it seemed that lay was going to. Be pushed as well. Right course. You've got titles in the core said and all that and. Honestly looking at this, there's a lot of reasonable lay staples out of this box as well. CAITLYN and Edward Both i. see definitely see Rivera minstrels. Up. What else here I mean I have definitely seen winner fells in Malay as well. Let's see. Even handed justice Let's see what else. Has Seen. Maybe that's about the end snowed under. Something else further down the list. So. As far as like. May Lay. Goes. That's Probably some of the biggest density of have heavily played Malay cards right here in this box. It's a yeah. It's a remarkably powerful. Box even though again, it was self consciously designed to not be so. So that's kind of. All? Do, you think about the later boxes which are much less self constantly designed that way. so. Yeah I. Mean Overall I. Think the stark box I think is a pretty good success. I think it does set some troubling precedents we talked at the beginning of. A podcast, but overall thinking about it. Now, I think I I like the starbucks. Yeah Yeah I. Think I think I do as well? I, think, this is. Probably as close. To my ideal of a like. Power level for this, this type of box as any of them come. it doesn't push too hard in any direction. It's still has a lot of staples. Like you said that sees strong but not like overwhelming play. Push. Pushes into a couple new areas. While still expanding on things introduced the core. I think this is probably going to be as close to the ideal boxes I can find. Yeah, I think it is important to remember though that this box did have a little bit of a negative impact on the Meta, is it did influx a bunch of? Good. To decent star cards into the cardboard a time when the factions developed and. Kind of became. Start wasn't the worst section of the course, but it definitely wasn't in the top four. Yeah kind of like if floated on the back of this box. Being. I think that. The. Box, kind of the really interesting to think about side by side because starbucks kind of like was a medium power level box introduced towards one of the factions and then a medium power level box. That was for one of the stronger factions Lancaster, which when we talked about that, we can kind of bring these two boxes in the conversation with each other. I think they're interesting. What do you think about them? That way because the Lancaster box did not have the effect that the stocks had on the that is true. And some of the problems at Lancaster actually has to do with the fact Atlanta's to is to powerful and it was released. Much powerful. And that kind of created that can find design space for what's supposed to be an evergreen product. and we can talk more about that than though. One One. Thought that popped up just now that we maybe should have tackled at the beginning in the you know broad strokes sort of issue about the box release As you said, the way it, the Meta was skewed heavily. To stark with this type of of release that I do think that dropping multiple boxes as close together as possible, probably would have been better for. Everything Not only in not skewing the Meta as much, but also keeping a consistent power level between the boxes, right? If like. Sure, dropping all eight of them in in the first year, probably would not have been feasible at all, but maybe four in. One year, and then the other for the next year or an idea that I had vaguely kicked round. Jeeze. Maybe way back in first edition. It's been a long time I remember pushing for something at the time. I was calling like dual boxes. which you can, you can play on the fact that people usually use the wrong dual when they're. Speaking on the Internet whichever one they need, they frequently say the other one and you could you do this either way dual meaning to or dual as a battle between two And pair up the houses. So you had a couple dropping at once at least that will I think would have? Balanced. The Meta a little bit more, and you could do fun. You know classic pairings to. Start with you know the starks versus the Lancasters or something like that. The barath Younes versus the Tar Gary, and you can still pull it in. The based on that kind of stuff. So. Yeah Yeah I. Mean The question about whether or not the box philosophy is one of the better is like a good one it. Is it is interesting I. Guess I'm skept having played. First. Edition. The. Star. Wars L. C. G.. and. Now, second edition I. Think Factor Boxes are mistake. Yeah. Basically, it be probably just be better to just be releasing chapter packs. How or or or I guess now, they do. They're like. There's something what l are come up with the technically things I do for love is an example of like premium pack. That's like. You and. Yeah That sounds about right because I think that's actually what they have been doing for their instead of a house box. They've had clan specific packs of that is yeah. That might be better I still think just basically. Equally supporting each faction and just having more releases is probably I think better just because the way in which even if you're doing a stark versus targe box or you know a barrier bear versus targe box, right? The equally supports bear in target doesn't support the other factions, right? So there's always gonna be these weird like. Sure imbalances like I get it as like a sellable thing to gain store. You, know you game star goes. You know. You came in, you bought the core set for last week. You really loved it. The first course gas is watch your favorite faction. And you have a sale right there. Right? Right It's it's that entry path or or at least it started that way. But. It just I. Think creates problems for it as a game, and you know the as note, like releasing all of them, all eight at once is either. Impossible expense for both for both F. F G designers. And the players like, could you imagine by, of course? You know like three months later, they released eight deluxe boxes. Jeez yeah. Well I can remember the the five are outcry at the price of having to buy all six chapter packs of their first cycle. All wants basically I mean they weren't quiet. It was what one a week or something like that. But. Eight boxes would be so much worse. I have the first cycle. L. Are. Dynasty packs they call them. Here yeah. Anyway. That's like you're there there's actual dust them cards. Yeah, but I think that beam for what they are. I think that this box does about a good of a job. As you could ask and I think was a pretty good starting point We'll see where they go from there though. Deed I'm sure we will talk about them. Right. I think that probably covers us for this box. Will catch time seeps. mm-hmm.

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How Health and Fitness Professionals Can Easily Make a Living Online - Petter Erik Nyvoll (Pt1) - Practitioners Viewpoint Series

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How Health and Fitness Professionals Can Easily Make a Living Online - Petter Erik Nyvoll (Pt1) - Practitioners Viewpoint Series

"This is the physical activity researcher. Podcast a podcast for researchers of sedentary behavior physical activity and sports join for a relaxed dialogue about research designed practicalities. And well anything related to research. Learn from your fellow. Researchers useful and relevant information that does not fit into formal content limited space of scientific publications and. Here's your host researcher. An entrepreneur ali ticket. Welcome everyone to this episode of practitioners viewpoint. Serious in this episode. We are going to talk about how. Researchers and health and fitness professionals can package their knowledge on online and make a living out of it and we have great guest for today's episode. August is co founder of company called also is sales and marketing coach and business strategies. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome guest erik new. Welcome better eric. Thank you so much for having me. I'm only to be on this podcast. So yeah i. I look forward for this. I state nice to have you so sick. Restart with the introduction with like gave that little bit who you are. Yeah so i am. I started like entrepreneurial entrepreneurials twenty two years old. I'm forty three now. Siobhan entrepreneurs twenty one year started not computer company because i have a computer background into dozen ten miles fed up with that so an i served interesting personal development so i went to my first in seventh in two thousand three Inside decide that. I want to bring in national speakers to maybe i'm from norway and And that went okay but it was growing fast them day in two thousand fifteen minute to bankrupt. The company that ten people in the company Hundred seven per year. And then i figure out what should i do now. I will Fed up with having employees. So i was thinking both can do like me and my girlfriend. We are running the company together. We can do that. We don't need any people just like start to think about this online business. I mean the saints trainer. So i was teaching sales and my first thing when i started on online business on also selling my militia land will to selling us saints course thought to do this already before i sold my first course someone contact Paternity kind of helped me to build online. This is i. Can't i don't succeed yet by myself. I are asking me. There's so many out. There will know how this i'm like. I'm trying to figure out this out for myself. Now but then i started to be hooked on online marketing and And the and this was back in two thousand seventeen. We also figure out won't move in another move to another countries i've been living in vietnam for foreign hoffy announcer leaving starts on the beach with maria. My girlfriend on her two kids. And today i cannot say that i don't have amply. I learned from my mistakes. I have a. Ceo in the company will take all the management but today we are nine thousand people and we are teaching sansa marketing to eichel. I coaches consultants or infants. Nurseryman was selling packaged than knowledge online. That's what we are teaching them helping them to build a familial to find the right pricing. Find the products will listing so. Yeah that that was a short introduction life over twenty two years Yeah yeah nice. Nice story interesting story so so. Hourly scenarios are mainly researchers and health and fitness professionals. So we could go. How do you see how they can benefit of packaging their knowledge online. How they can how they can benefit from the modern tools social media. So yeah i'm thinking this world Especially after this to like crazy. Arezzo in the expect out dole wanting that have changed his like people are more and more interested to to learn things online. Tia day are like we are more in a we. You know people don't want to go to office anymore. So so there's two reason behind that is like you to to sell their products online. That's easier to deliver it i. It's what i have seen with many personal trainers outlays. I also have been working with fury searches but personal trainers they get the easier that the eastern people to take the station when you can package personal trainer a program online on online instead of people going to studio or whatever are doing so. He's like so he's kind of easy to do it and people will pay more for it. That's also minnesota. But if i i'm a personal trainer or something on the and i do i cannot charge the same for online. But the thing is like yeah. You can't do that. You can charge more for it. So so that's kind of an also research. I think everyone will have something in their head that you can share with the world that will help people to see things that will help. It could the businesses to get personal life but you There's so much scalable is so much easier to get. Get the information instead of meeting research meeting a personal trainer a place so so i think it's just a benefit and also important thing you can charge more for it. I'm really meaning. You can charge more for doing things online than you do. Yeah that's that's interesting when you say that you can charge more. So do you see in a way that. For example if you are physiotherapist for example and use specialized to let's say achilles tendon you you really have the specific knowledge of injuries or problems with achilles tendon. So you are the expert of small niche. And when you have world as your customer base is that the reason why you can charge more a. Why do you say that you can charge more from. It's easy to access it. People need to travel the place sandal. So would like you said you. can you can find. People will have De kuyper problem with axl or something like that. They have problem. I had one. Guy will was physiotherapist Expert on shoulders so he made online program over. I think it was three months program and it shorts tweet thousand euro so he won't help people had shoulder problems without to get because staff tried everything the tvos so expect the about shoulders so he made online program where he worked with a group and the health people that have been struggling with a shoulder for many years. So of course you know the pearl with many people that don't know their solution for the problem. Sometimes so he's all about the need to be really specific on the problems. On the example. You're saying more nishioka with maurice. It is to to to succeed online. If you're just like a physical therapist everyone is officer by. Why should i go to you. But if you are specified on the specific problem so so that's back to kind of talking about target niche because many. Think about target niche like. Oh i want to get women between four and fifty we're working in disarmament but there's no one there is no one would that's not unleash on. These is to solve a problem so we should start with a situation. People are in. And i can give some example from my own life on this is not. This is not indonesia. We are talking about with just giving some examples. I mean For example i see a lot of relationship coaches that kim showing up in the newsfeed on my facebook because simul helping relationship coaches and they legs i. Oh you don't have the relationship you won't anymore. You have some communication. It was not like it was the six first month you have this. You don't know what you should talk about something or just growing from each other and maria. I'm me we don't My good friend have beth. Problem of course began the oldest the bedroom the relationship but there's won't team that is hard to be entrepreneur virk together. That's when every week we go till date night and we go to that date night. I promise early. Maybe not her. But i promised myself that i should not talk about job as so we sit down there and maybe eat a nice in there and then i start to talk about because i'm passionate without doing low with undoing so everytime even if i know i should not do it i said you know took this kind today all you know. What about this product should do that next time. So if i see add on facebook. Saying i k are working together with a partner have romantic evening. You start to talk about. Virk is like i'm older. The sold is like so specific and will pay a lot for that solution. Because it's not about. The relationship is about the specic situation that i won't to behave differently and of course i know we can get better and i feel better myself if i can go till date night and never talk about work if we can have something if no someone can help me out so i think that's the thing when you go online you can be so specific on it and also solving a. Yeah a a really niche problem that that really makes sense. I i like it. So how do you see the best format if you if you have a niece thing that you are doing and to make like online program that is fully scalable. Should you have like distance consulting that. You have like video How you package it online. The i'm a big fan. There's like i think this is up to the person what they want to do. But but i am seeing both. I'm surpri- service is also in mind. business time. Doing group groups works better on one to one like everyone think about all. I won't work onto the problem with having one to one sometimes since is like You get you. Don't get older experienced. Do you don't get other totes about did so. Having a group is also more scalable program but Sometimes when when when coaches are personal trainers or start to work with us they maybe start with a one to one program unstuck to teach that like having online program. Not and i'm gonna do this right. It doesn't take long time before our scheduled book on. That's not freedom. I think everyone or at least me. I'm also i want to deliver the content. I have that also want to say my protect my own time on my own freedom so many starch may be with one to one and then they go more and more over drug group program and so it's more scalable if you have that there's also someone i'm i'm more fan of high ticket offer with a cold so charged like let's say like three three to six thousand ten thousand year for six months program where you're going to help your client to go from to be could be losing. It could be running a marathon. It could be going on a mountain with your grandchild is like there is like does also what we talk about your own place nominee to go in on place but you know how much long time you need to work with a person to get there and people would buy pay more for a solution that they know. After six months. I can go on this top or i know i can run this monotone because that's the promise bills into how big or claire promise but that's also why cannot work with everyone because it can't promise the big promise will be so wait if you go to broad so again what you can do so i liked them too high ticket offer and we also have personal trainer are just making online course the media production. They're feeling a lot of exercises or did things like that and they do that. For example a six six day three course or maybe that josh six hundred two thousand euro for that so yes but my favorite is high ticket offer some. Yeah so what would you say. I would guess some professionals that they would say i have even a free course or it's quite cheap course that i don't even get to sell it. Nobody's buying eat good. I even imagine selling high ticket offer. What would your advice and commenced them so murayama girlfriend. She made circle about this with really expand throughout because this is typical. Someone tried to sell out online course or free course Wanting is like interesting. I saw statistics that ninety two percent of people buying cheap online. Course they'll be under two hundred zero. Never open it. They just bite and then the rope in it. And i'm i'm turning this upside down and just playing a little bit so we are just want to make money and not want to help people. Yeah you can. You can get the cheap course because people don't see it. You're not helping people but you can make money on and So so he's like civil dominion but it is like you can start with that course. Let's say you're start with of course from two hundred euro not to sell it and no one by sit and then you and then you try hundred. Euro set still knowing by donegal dealt fifty. We'll just happening with yourself. Yourself for them is good to getting lower and lower and lower and you are not a. You're not standing out. And saying that what i do is valuable. You're trying to say like is a desperate way of key. Just take it. Just take it so so what is happening if you turn it around if you charge more. So let's say let's play with this two hundred year. Old my my. I'm saying like if you charge two hundred euro or you have a high ticket offer was two thousand. Euro is not ten times more harder to sell something to to two thousand euro. Maybe it's like ten percent harder. Ten maybe fifteen most more on that in need a little bit more report but people were committing your two thousand euro. Sorry the people are committing to a two thousand euro service or product. They won't get this dumb they're more committed and they will follow in them and listen to. They are more coach terrible. They really liked their come to place. Yes i want to do this now. So what is happening. Like you have a two thousand euro client and what is happening. They get the result. You get more confident and you're willing to charge more because to see how much value bringing to the table. How much life changing experience. You're getting out there and win. You're doing this so and that's the same arenas such as if you charge more in people think more about will they are putting out. There is available under volleyball. They get better result. I'm going to get better assault to get better testimonial and get better. Testimonial you start to get better confident. They get better confident. You can charge more so yeah. So that's how i look at it or and also the reality also seattle thin the on this podcast is sponsored by fabian. Miami to pool batman. And i'd like to siphon woods that phoebe on abuse the number of times on different projects that are involved in fond that it's incredibly reliable. Very valid and incredibly sturdy I love the graphics. Come with it really is very clear. Easily see the active inactive periods as well so what certainly recommend for the to anyone that's interested in finding out more about sedan behind a particularly the concept of sitting and how we can possibly break it up with some really good valid information fabian from researchers to researchers. Yes yeah i. I think that makes sense and if i go back to this that you said the crew setting works better than one one one. Why why do you see that because people would think that they get more value when it's one on one like they get time they get that tension what why does the crew thing weather I can talk about a workhorses. Of course we are teaching science marketing Participant are saying because. I have a good example. Had one will both expensive to pockets with me on work with me and when they want to all my give them everything we hopsital. So how the group on that periods of time that was going through the same process and the reason what's happening is i. I will start to struggle with this person. Like i couldn't get. I tried to explain what should do but she just come back miss. I know i don't want to do that. No i don't believe in that. And i said yeah came. You're not coach table. Or i can help you like what what should we do. So my disparate thing was to bring her into the group because you come into a group with other people. That was asking the question that she couldn't ask me or also will. I tried to tell him what to do. But you didn't get it but when someone else in the group asked the question on their way you will like like wow. This was oregon. No i get at no under it. So she come back to. This is patrick. Don't want to have one to one. I disappointed in the group. I can pay the same but this group thing is so much better because you get other people with other mindset with the other tolls with other. Id all inside and you get into your clients stuck. Have this thing. And that doesn't matter if it saves a marketing or if it's fitness or health or evince some research thing is just like i'm also on thing that you're getting group you know people are lonely. They like the feel so long so when they work one to one they list still feel lonely. If if they don't feel healthy they always think. I'm the only person in the world wire. I'll have this problem. And if they are enterpreneur like the al being no one in the no one around me understand how is dubbing trip noor so just bringing like minded people together with the same problem again thus so important i talked about. You need to have a really target niche. But if they have the same problem and they own the son like hey. I'm not alone and they are on this journey together. So i mean that's a benefit that you don't get to one to one but to get descru- feeling and they get like they feel. I belong to something and that can also make them more multi a more inspired to relate. Do more of it. Yeah that makes sense so you have kind of a b. appear seaport at the same time. and how. how do you arrange this kind of group. Coaching or whatever you call how could you practically explained like how would put a schedule or ex- example core look like yes so if you talk about personal trainers it could be. You could have A forum you could use pace gaffe face the group or coming slack used at the manager we can create a forum there with with them with very can chat with each other so they can have this interaction and you can have like a group training every week so we can set time that everyone comes in a facebook group or comes on video or a consumer. There are many ways to do it like they come together and the other. You're gonna have chucked so everyone can shop in am mistake but this is all about creating this Creating this feeling together. Even if they're sitting different places in the world or different places in the country they feel like they get that. And then you can also make like i said or you talk about content so we can also make some prerecorded vido so so the packages like they get. They get this feeling to be together. They get personal training. Maybe once a week there is also other ways to pen them with you. Want to teach And you get a forum like facebook group or slack or a channel where they can meet and shot which other and help each other the progress Yeah that's one way of course if it's more like a health program than it could be like a pre-recorded tissue detail them inspiring out than they can meet them discussing a so. You can discuss the topics for the week and so they can get inspired out on. They cannot qna with him so again. It's like this. I'm really mean that the environment is creating A place where they can meet. This may be the most valuable thing for people and you know good thing with online also. Maybe someone doesn't want to get to work or training center because they don't appeal goodwin himself. That feel better to be and gets help from home. I mean they get together with other. Who feel the same. They are again feeding out. I'm not alone. i'm not only one will don't want to go to the gym and train the gym. There's others also. I want to try and but that one's to train from so yeah. Yeah yeah some some soundscape. And i was thinking like in case of for example physiotherapists or medical doctors. That how could you do. The croup says may be maybe not all people want to their name to be there. If they have a certain problem which they don't want to be be properly this this reasons not to tell people widely that you have cre- diabetes or some problem it might affect your job opportunities also. Do you have any any solution. How would you do do it in this kind of case. You can't use facebook if you want to have on numerous Always have your real name if you can. Of course. Fake facebook account but denouncing. Allow better if you slack like a forum you can. You can tell your participant. That's come up with another name that is nine Like them the session thing that can come up in all night. And i also want to say one thing about this because i have many i have. I have parents with drug Kids that i'm working with. I have i have many were really like feeling like i don't want to show to other but again when they start on you like a course instructor or you're like the professional a start to push them a little bit to be more open to feel you get this group experience so i've seen many will have this like personal trainer or could be helping addicted with the drug programs or could be someone who had also had people i've worked with. Have i helping Someone in the family. I take a suicide voice in the air and i won't to help the people around there to get back and they don't want to talk about it but you know everyone in the end. They are so skeptical but other but when they started start to get these people in grip again he favorable house the same problem that really starting to open up and they get a much better experience. So i think you can. You can say you can be anonymous but in the end you get the better program if you can just push them a little bit not too much push little bit to open up. Because they've they many of these people they need to share what they are afraid of. Everyone is afraid of something even if it saints marketing or even if it's like a training or if it's society there's something that our embarrassed about talking about but if you can open up a group and they talk about it you can get better results than yeah and and i wanted to ask about this kind of general platforms for online courses versus making your own facebook group you you probably know. 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And and also if i continue from this how would you do like for example with youtube with podcast would you share some some content freely on these platforms or would you just do the marketing white focused and then have a paid course so what. We are teaching and is many ways of doing that. There's like hundred ways to roman hundreds wasted angle. I am of course. I mean that the way we are teaching is the best all but the but that's because succeeded and so so of course you need to get traffic from place. So he could be organic traffic. You can run up. August like you are doing and also we have a castle. You get there the problem with just doing organic traffic. It takes so long time before we build up all. I think it's good to howitt. So that's also why we're doing it. But our our favorite platform of favorite way of getting new leads in or getting traffic. It's paid advertising. 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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #4 Recap | The Last of the Starks

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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #4 Recap | The Last of the Starks

"Tonight's game of thrones recap is sponsored by our friends over at blue diamond almonds. Are you watching game of thrones and tired of the same boring snacks? Let me tell you winter's here. And so is the perfect snack blue diamond almonds. Whether you're going to work going to king's landing board at work leaving work. These almonds are the perfect snack. They've got Honey roasted dedom- in Saracho flavored almonds with Sabi and soy sauce flavored almonds. Do. I have your attention. Why keep snacking on boring chips, but you can go to the store and pick up some blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment. Blue diamond almonds is the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously? Yes. That's right. The snow and all are here. Game of thrones season. Eight episode four is over. But we are just getting started live. After this wild episode of game of thrones. And now here the two guys who are going to have to keep their heads on straight tonight. I am rob sister here with Steven fish pack. Oh my goodness. Steven why? Well, what when whenever you do the air that air, trumpet. I just feel like, you know, it's so good. It's so good that I sometimes I I'm a stake in Lee think that I've actually watching. Yeah. We didn't that just watch. Okay. Stephen seen fish back. Okay. How are you holding up? Okay. I'm good. You know, I all in one piece which is more than we can say for some of these characters. Wow. Okay. So big big wild episode tonight. Big death at the end Masan day. We have a lot of people expected her to not make it out of the battle of winter fell. She did didn't make it through tonight's episode. Ragle also surprise death tonight. I was annoyed about the ragle day because it did seem like by all rational reasons, he should have died last week. And clearly like the only reason he didn't die last week was just so he could die this week. You know, so that he could like DIVY across Bo is kinda sad. You know, it's kind of says and just you know, hopefully, we'll talk about military tactics. Which is always are strong get there by the the direct assault. You know? Consistently not working out for for Danny and our forces just like go in straight up straight on the front. I will say that dragons are much more maneuverable than boats. This just go round from behind just go around from behind sneak attack them or even just like they're firing crossbows. Let's reverse go around Bros. Them from behind. Yes. I'm had the boats snuck up on the dragon. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we've got a lot to get to Stephen. I am I crazy that this was my favorite episode out of the four so far in this season. Oh, wow. I really liked episode two. And I think that this had the first half of this had a lot of the real virtues that was to where you had a lot of those character moments, and it felt to whereas like episode there was this real sense of tentativeness. It felt like some of these character moments were paying off. I mean, obviously, you know throughout the plot stuff. I was a little. We'll tell me I guess it was a good combination. Is that that's kind of what you're saying. Yeah. I felt like that. I thought this episode really had everything that we had a we had a battle. We had all of the character moments at winter fell. And then we had so much of the scheming and plotting and palace intrigue that I really enjoy about the show. So to me this episode everything and I felt like that where that the first two episodes. I felt like going in. We're going to be pretty formulaic in terms of. Okay. We're going to set up we're going to set up. And then last week was going to be all battle this week. I didn't really know what to expect. And it was kind of one thing for forty minutes. And then it was a different thing in the second forty minutes. Yeah. And I guess it was sort of great sort of have it all everything that game of thrones is is good for you had had speculated that this would be sort of a plate setting or table setting episode for the kind of the the two final episodes. And it was that it seemed like it was that. And it was also kind of a table clearing episode. Where is certainly in the first half you had a lot of characters just sort of. You know, saying goodbye, right? We said goodbye at torment. We said goodbye to Sam again. But they're obviously not going to be. Maybe they'll pop up like waving goodbye from there like force halo, like the end of throwers, but you know. Also, I felt like that a lot of points. I didn't know where it was going. And honestly at I was on the edge of my seat at the end of the episode. I didn't know how it was going to wrap up. Yeah. Well, that's the benefit of watching a few minutes later than everybody else because everything will be spoiled for you on Twitter as as it happened. It's gonna happen to you. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. You were tweeting. Yeah. I know it was my for my own my own fault. My live by the tweet die by the tweets. But I could imagine if I hadn't been spoiled that I would be worried for Tyrian. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So Stephen let's start at the end. Of course, if you want to get your tweets into the show at rob cicirino got Twitter open. If you want to send us your comments, of course, feedback show coming up on Tuesday this week with Josh Wigley chick everything he's doing for T HR is at round Howard on Twitter, send your questions in geo post show. Recaps dot. Dot com. All right, Stephen. So we ended the episode with denarius walking back now are is going to hop on a drug on and retreat or is she getting on drug on and then going to start her tack. It does seem pretty likely that they're going to do a full frontal slaughter, right? I mean, it seems like there's sort of setting up and Massanga is last word is truecar is right. Which is basically burn. It all is. So. I was going to hear her really did you? Yeah. Well, apparently drove on that. It's sort of like your iphone where if say if you try to talk to my internet enabled assistant, it's not gonna work. Right. So it's not like just anyone can say drug on drug congressman hill. He really has to be Danny's voice, although sometimes with these internet assistance, you can program a couple of voices. So maybe drove on you know, he's got a couple would they can talk in different voices. But I think it's still goes a by your if you try to pick up your friends iphone, I don't know if that works. I can ask you know, like, my my wife is. Okay. Oh boy sharing phones. Okay. Anyway, but what what's your take? So you think you think it's going to be because we know that we have this army coming from the north. It's gonna take them a little while to get there as always Sanchez very concerned with stores, and everyone's me, basically, a resource level denarius not so concerned with those things, and then you've got, you know, scenarious more smaller expeditionary force. It's that's right there at the gates king's landing. What's your take? What's going to happen next? I don't know. I think that Danny is gonna buzz, you know, the king's landing, but I don't know if she's going to have the heart necessarily to burn the city with, you know, all, you know, thousands and thousands of people inside those walls. But she's wanted it to be she's been she's been pitching burn them all plot for like seasons. Now. I mean, I think a big right? A lot of wasn't season seven or season season. Six was her basically say. Well, what if we just burn everyone? And then kind of everyone's talking out of it. And then she's in what if what if we set fire to everyone in king's landing, and it really does. I mean from my perspective, it really seems like that's that's where she's going. And certainly it seems like her adviser is all of their concern about how she might not be fit ruler. You know, I feel like it's a new concern for her. Danny's whole thing has been what a great ruler. She is. You know, she raised bullshit cares about the people. And this new turn where people are scared of her as a Queen is kind of a new development yet. It's wild this episode. I think really the nearest stock has really bought bottomed out here in episode when we talk about that, you know, wrapping up the series with her on the iron throne. It's getting harder and harder to imagine that she has fewer and fewer people in her corner. Where it seems like that the only person that really still believes in her is a Tyrian. Yeah. And that was kind of that was such a great scene between tearing. Varis where Tyrian just makes his case. You know, you like you pick your person, and you you fight like hell for them. And I thought that was kind of great. It was almost it was almost the case for blind loyalty to expensive reason it didn't even seem like Tyrian was necessarily arguing that daddy would be the better ruler between between herself John Jewish. We talk with Ed or shall we have so much. There's so much to talk about with everything I thought Tyrian was going to die in this episode. Yeah. Do you mean by? I was going to give the order. I thought she was going to take out take out Tyrian and Tyrian was going to basically go down with the ship for deniro's. Yeah. That would've been kind of a crummy death for Tyrian. I think like, you know, once again sort of Jared tried to warn him. Yeah. But but for this character who's been this brilliant strategist strategist for some of the show terrible strives for another a lot of the show has been such an instrumental character for so much just for him to be like in this like desperate parlay to save the city, maybe maybe like one last attempt to rain into Nares his worst impulses to save his sister. No one last attempt to hedge between all of his competing interests and concerns that would've been kind of cool colon. But no if I may have one nitpick, and I this was my favorite episode of the season. I did not understand. Why, sir? He and the gray joy forces did not fire one of those scorpions at drogue on who appeared to be a sitting dragon just seemingly within range at the point where they be headman Sunday. Right. Why not fire a scorpion off on to drove on? Why not kill that whole group right there? I mean, obviously, it's against the rules of the par lay. But we've never never really slick killed hostage killed. Why not kill Danny any of those things. You know, it did not seem like that. There was an instrumental of force of the unsullied. I mean that they had a respectable showing? But I get the sense that they probably had less than the two thousand two thousand and twenty thousand golden company. I don't remember. I don't know. It's a number where the two, but probably twenty thousand. That's sounds more formidable. No elephants though. But I really I don't know why after they already killed regal. Why not why not attack drogue on? Yeah. He's right there. You've got the may maybe they put all the crossbows on the ship. Were there any cross was they were all lined up with those that the surrounding surrounding the perimeter. Yeah. Wow. I it really does seem like a missed opportunity to to end the threat of the dragons for wants to take out deniro's. Again, like really huge violation of photocall. But but certainly his whole story arc has been nothing. She does not respect the norm. Stephen. Yeah. She did blow up the church and everyone in it. So I feel like once you've done that. That's just as bad as it gets. She plays by her own rules. The the other thing that I thought was going to happen. At the end of the episode Wayne Tyrian comes up to surf daddy and makes her plea. And then he starts talking about your if not for if not for you do it for your child. And when I felt like, right? You're on graduates. Hold on a second has he know about the child because the last time you talked to him that was before you, and I did you know what? So how did he know about the baby? Yeah. We'll soapy assume that there's ravens go back and forth gossip as well hired. I thought that he when he was going to start mentioning the baby I thought that was when I was going to give the order, and it was gonna write Tyrian shooting his foot in his mouth. And then she was going to give the order to execute him. But you gotta wonder is you're on great joy, and sir c going to have a conversation where then does your on want to take his fleet and go home does he put two and two together over that probably not seems. But maybe this is like the beginning of a rift between the two of them. I mean, it happened on the show. I mean, they they did a lot in terms of that the previously on was about telling us, it was Jamie's baby. Then then we're getting your on. And then serve see telling your on tonight. You're on in Khyber and giving your on the thumbs up, and then the baby coming up again, the has to be an important moment. That the baby is definitely going to be an important plot point. And it certainly seems like it might play into the relationship between your on seriously. And then Jamie coming down from the north, right? Is he coming down to to kill her to save the baby to defend the baby and some crazy last-gasp one of my favorite things about this episode? And just generally the character service is how delighted she is in her own evilness. You know, she always has that kind of little smile on her face of just like I'm having. I'm so great. You know, it's like, and then though wall Tyrian was talking about the baby she had felt like there was this last evocation of her humanity where she got a little bit teary eyed. It's felt like something kind of got past that that smile and really touch the inner part of her was there any part, you, rob. That thought you know, what maybe she will. Maybe she'll she'll change her ways did not think that she was going to change. Her ways we've gone, you know, eight seasons with seriously Lancaster, did not think that just the mere mention of the baby especially because she already duped Tyrian without once before. Yeah. Why here in such a such a loser? You know, like he's like, he's a he's lost his Mojo. He really did. I mean, he's like so consistently bad. And this is the same BS. He keeps doing he keeps on falling for this idea that like seriously can be reasoned with and then like immediately afterwards. He's like, oh, she got me again. And then in the end the last season two he's like well this time she's really with us. She got me again. You know, it really got to learn your lesson, buddy. Yeah. He's lost his edge. And he is going along with Danny. And it feels like that she's going down the wrong path. Various had such a big episode tonight. He had been so quiet through the first episodes. But he's here in a big way in episode tonight. And I really got the sense even at the end of that conversation that I thought that. Varis seemed like that he's on board with some sort of assassination plot or at least supporting John through his more more devious devious ends like rallying support devious than facination. Well, you know, SAS nation is very direct right like devious in terms of like, you know, more political political weaving. Yeah. Assassin I guess I guess he's like played with that played that card before. Right. I tried to have deniers killed before. Yeah. Exactly. That sometime in these next two, I think that denarius gets wise to Varis, and I think that that she executes various. Oh, really? So you think there I think various is going to be one of the survivors. I think he is going to be there at the end, you know, the Sunday or Mel Sandra prophesized that it was gonna be her fate to die in this country. Like it's going to be yours Varis in season seven maybe like lives on a long life as a farmer. I mean, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was also a conversation between Danny and various in season seven where she really called him out on his Welty. Yeah. And that seems to be an interior kind of really question question. His essential. He's always talked about how he's loyal to the realm. And I thought here in a great point like what is the realm. You know, like what does that even mean? And like how does that have to do with any of this little politicking 's? But then there's other great rebuttal to that. Which is that, you know, the people in this realm, the millions of people are deeply affected by by politics. It did feel like a very felt like a very timely argument. In terms of how much does politics matter to the individual at a local level. Absolutely. And I guess let's bring John snow into all this because in some ways classic, Jon snow. Classic stupid dumb. Jon snow where he can't leave. Well, enough alone. All of the partying going on in king's landing all of the happiness and merriment. He can't just let it be where he feels he needs to tell Sansa and aria about his true, lineage and denarius in him. They have seen together. She begs him. Don't do. This. Don't do this. He doesn't want to be king doesn't want the right. He was very happy with her as Queen like everything works out for John. And for Danny if John can just keep his trap shut. Yeah. And I thought that was a really great moment in the beginning of the episode where like it was a torment was the one that was really putting his foot in his mouth where he was like, here's John snow. What a guy greatest guy like is. He a king is he a madman. He wrote it dragon. Can you believe this guy and deniers like the sort of like the room sort of like went quiet around her we really focused in on her and got her POV on it? And various was the only one that really call. What was going on there? And John is this person who he's loved by the masses? Yeah. I also liked it. They mentioned the delectable. He came back from the dead. Many. This guy came back from the dead. Isn't that crazy like because it doesn't seem like it's brought up enough that he came back from the dead. He seems like the kinda guy people would. Wanna go have a beer with and or or resurrect and Dinares is looking at this. She's like, I don't like this. And then that conversation, and she's like, okay. Just promised me that you will not say anything about you being the rightful heir to the throne to anybody like well. I'm John snow. That's kind of my thing. I have to be completely honest with people and this got them into hot water back in season seven where. Sir. C said, okay. All you have to do is. You know? I think what did she want? Oh, you'll you'll remain in the north. And he's like, oh, I can't I made a promise to my Queen inserts like deals off. That's it. Yeah. He's like you idiot. Why can't you just tell one lie? Yeah. It does feel like John is out of a sort of like different novel. You know, it's like everyone in this game of thrones is so world-weary. They're also like exhausted. They're so cynical and bitter by the incredible terrible things that have happened to them. You know, so much of this episode was just about like I used to be a different person. And I'm deeply scarred. John is like I must I must not tell a lie. You know, he's out of something like like like swords and Serie. He's Ned stark. I wonder that is it going to be John's ultimate fate to suffer the same destiny as not his true father. But the man who raised him Ned stark will he ultimately die for not being able to just tell this lie. Yeah. I mean, that is sort of where I was going with that, you know, this whole the whole point of game of thrones is just that that is not right that that that story is not a realistic story. Like that story is not is not truly which stories realistic story game of thrones. Well, well, they're like the noble Knight charges off and saves the world and has never threatened. You know, like everyone in this in this war is deeply traumatized, and yes, obviously dragons and dial's the night game. Yeah. Well, the Nike as a metaphor. And everyone, you know. But anyway, so I if John to me like this episode and him refusing to lie about that was like the purest sign that he is definitely going to die by the end of this series. Because like that character cannot live through this. It would be too absurd. If that character lived through will denarius kill Johnstone. Maybe he dies killing taking her out. I mean that was something certainly we've talked about. Killing him and him never having actually done anything. Particularly noble would be take out Ramsay Bolton. But but not really, right. He didn't even really take Ramsay bold. It was a group effort. Yeah. But really the knights of the Vale came in smash ran, well, I mean, not to replay the battle of the bastards. But yeah Johnson John snow and his forces were defeated tonight to the Vale came through. And then one one the giant had a lot to do with, you know. Busting the door open and then in hand to hand combat. He did best Ramsey. So I do wish I won't like some big moment for John. Right. Like, he's got to have like some something. And I I certainly didn't need him to take. So the night came. I thought it was really cool. It that already did it. But I want him to have something. I don't know. It looks like that he is going to have this claim, and is something that really is going to potentially be the what is going to drive this wedge between him and dinners. Yeah. It certainly does look like. It's just not something that she's going to be able to get over. He can't keep his his fat traps shot. Well. Yeah. Let's let the cat out of the bag, and he had to tell Sansa and aria about it. And brand was like, well, basically, I won't say anything if you won't choice. It's your choice. And then which is a weird take from brand isn't brands whole thing. Like, it's all destined is all like, it's all been determined before your why not pick brands brain about the what's the right move here. Yeah. It doesn't feels like brand is very he's very like sanguine about about fate and everything and tell you know, maybe why in a little bit is an opportunity for him to actually way. And. Yeah, what should I tell them or no tell us what don't worry about it? Hold on a second. What do you think? What do you think? My favorite. I mentioned this on our last or two ago, but I just love how everyone's reaction to brand. Because it's always so cryptic. And they're like everyone who you who accept the person. Who knows what he's talking about is. I was like, okay. Yeah. Thanks. Okay. Well, well, pumpkin pointed. Yeah. I guess we're talking about brand. There was the conversation was was it with Tyrian about, you know, basically talking about how you know, he seriously like, I envy you, and he said why spend most of my time in the past St. now could this be a hint at time traveling brands stark, definitely not ran the builder. No, no. We're not doing that. I mean 'cause he's like looking at the past right? That's what he's doing is extending most pretend like looking at the past. Okay. All right. I just think like the level of explanation that would have to like I mean, maybe that that pays off in the books. Like, I'm not going to deny the possibility of that. But like the ten minutes of explanation that that would be required. You know, when every second of this show is so precious. I just don't buy okay. Even know who are you are you are you actually bullish on that? Or are you just sort of like positing it as throwing it out there? I don't see how we can get there with two episodes left. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be we'll say maybe it was prequel series. Okay. So Stephen next week. Do you think that we see the fall of king's landing? Yeah. I do think. So do you. Yeah. I think that if I had to chart out how these next to associate going to go, I do think that sir c will be defeated in this next episode. And then I think that the final episode will deal with the ultimate claimant. Yeah. John Marissa sorting that out. Yeah. That makes sense to me. That next episode is the downfall of surgery. And then the final episode is really just like figuring out the fate of the realm moving forward. Yeah. And we'll see ultimately it looks still pretty summary in king's landing. Yeah. As winter gonna come to king's landing. That's a really good question. They did talk about it that it was winter still in the episode. But I think that we will not see it snow again in the entire series. I mean, it's like when winter in Miami, you know, it's like slipping older, you know, it's like the high fifties. Right. But last season, you know, there was a snowflake on Jamie's glove winters reached kings. Landing. But yeah, I don't know. Let's we have time jump between episode five and six year. They can't afford the snowflake affect anymore. You know? That's why they had to send goes north. Couldn't couldn't deal with. That was such a bummer like this. Yeah. Let's let's talk through everything from winter fell in this episode. And we have a lot of headlines a lot of goodbyes. But I think we have to start with Jamie and a Serb Rianne of tarp. Wow. What a cat. I wanna cat. I thought Jamie. It turned to new leaf and these this like break in women's hearts that was really wild. I thought that we were gonna get Bryanne and torment really. Really? Eight hundred shorthorn wouldn't have done that to her. Yeah. I think maybe torment might have lost out with when he wanted to know, which which villain was responsible for soiling his pants. It's not a great pickup was not maybe in the north it works. But I really was surprised that we got Jaime and Brienne. And then it didn't seem like it was a one night stand Steve. And it seemed like that it was almost like that we were shipping, Jamie and Bryanne. And then suddenly the Jamie really did Brienne dirty at the end of the episode. Yeah. It looked like maybe a little romance had sparked. But then when Jamie learns that what's what's going on with with generis and the fleet e runs down south is he he's running down south to kill her. Right. I don't know. If I got that. What was what was the line that he said that he said that she is search e is is what I was not a good person. And it was not a good person either. I don't remember the exact words because he was like, I did I I pushed a boy out of a window for her. I strangled my cousin to death for her. I would have killed every person in river run for her. What was the actual line? I don't I don't have the the actual line off. But the point is hateful. She's hateful and syllabi. But you know, that could mean I'm going to defend her. But it also could mean like I'm going to redeem myself by like ending it. Yeah. Over that. She took it the she killed the dragon and took Masan day. That was what got Jamie to go and say, you know, what I've had it with this surf daddy. Well, it doesn't make sense that he would go to defend her after she had a victory, right? Like, he probably sees that she's actually not the not in as bad shape, as as everyone thought, it wasn't going to be a layup, invasion where and one thing you can say for certain is that she is tactically smarter than the the northerners. Right. And this forced of Danny, and John which you know, they're incredibly inhibited by their morals on they do these ridiculous like full just like frontal assaults. They'd never the idea of like flanking is completely foreign to them and your big flanker. I well. You know, it's it's not just me. A lot of other people are into flanking. So anyway. I think that from my read on that moment was that, Jamie. Sees like, oh, these people are not going to be able to handle sir because they're not on her level. Like, they're like the good guys who are like charging in guns. Blazing start charging expecting a fair fight, and she's thirty and I'm dirty and only dirty person is going to be dirty enough to take down thirty. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see what we get. We had Braun show up in this episode with a crossbow, and I kind of thought they like. I really I thought that the brand was going to die. Okay. Well, let's let's wrap up the bronze storyline. And I thought it was almost comical the Braun with Tyrian and Jamie. It was fun. But I mean, like, why doesn't somebody, you know, kill Braun at this point. Yeah. Well, certainly certainly now that like he's like holding them hostage. And he's like he's in winter fell where it's not like he has a lot of allies. There should be like you arrest that guy right there right there that guy. Go rest him. Yeah. I mean, maybe he's hiding, but it's a little cartoony of like all right now. I got this offer. Can you beat this offer can you? He's like, you know it. I don't mind it. I mean, I. It's fine. I just thought like okay, oh Brienne is gonna walk in. And then, you know, kill Braun. He's like he's like, oh, we need you to be an officer. Like, what is he going to do? He's like hiding out until then he's not going to get high garden. Yeah. It's hard to hide to if a giant crossbow that you're dragging around. He's got he's going to like there's going to be some big noble act for broad, right? Because like isn't his historian that he secretly is. Like a good guy. We'll find out I guess. So I mean, he wasn't punch punched in the nose. But he didn't break his nose important distinction. Yes. And he should know. Stephen I jumped into the bronze stuff, but just to go back to Jaime and Brienne is that it for them. Does Jamie Lancaster survived this? And then get back to Brienne. I okay. I'm into that story. I think that is what happens. Yeah. What do you think? I don't know. How Jamie survives the that? If you were going to be handicapping who kill surf city. I think it's either Jamie or aria, I think that those are really the two, and I wonder, you know, are you got the night king. I dunno. She's gonna get to kill both the big beds in the series. You know, that'd be that'd be too much. I definitely think Jamie kills Hersi. But I don't think it's impossible that that he kills her without dying. I don't know. I don't know if this one does he want to go on living without without surf see. He's to go back. Maybe you can go back to her, and they can have like a nice little little moment. Yeah. I do think that because the brand. So I think there's more of a chance of him surviving this than before. But yeah, I think they both been like they both suffered so much that I feel like it almost makes it likelier that they will they'll make it through. I mean, not that you know, suffering is necessarily a metric for survivor ability in game of thrones. But I I have my hopes for the two of them. I agree. I agree. I think the facts that there was a little romantic moment between those two characters makes it likelier that he will survive in come back to her because it would be such a dick move from both Jamie and the show to like, you know, have him just really be a complete CAD lover lever. Never come back to her. I think that would be too much brand does she had two guys fighting over her and. She ends up with zero. Yeah. One goes north one goes south. Yeah. It's tough lots of other goodbyes in this episode. And we saw the torment seen torment says goodbye to John send ghost on his way. I really felt like the ghost got raw deal. I know Justice for ghost. I really think that like is totally you know, he said basically nothing to do this season. We saw him last episode sort of charging into the fray. Then we kind of see me looking like a little bit beat up like everyone like everyone else does. Now, kind of like like you got in a fistfight. Really, I feel like that's one of the big MRs of this season in general of the series in general as that goes is such a cool character, and like I really want more from ghost. Yeah. But John's not a stark anywhere has no use for dire. Wolf. That's outrageous. I'm always dragging now that one I maybe he'll get ghost back. Join very cavalier with his his hat magical animals. Yeah. So we had that goodbye seeing where he could buy with salmon Gilly, congratulations to Gilly shoe, the ninth woman who's currently pregnant on the show is that an actual true running total thirsty if Danny of Gilead. I don't know if anybody else's with child, maybe Bryanne, I guess I mean, you know, I guess a lot of that going around right now. Right. Watch out. Mario. Yeah. And you know, your your bullets that we're gonna get more Sam when when the season closes Jess he's writing writing. And then once upon a time in winter fell close close the book. Yeah. I think we have to see Sam again. I think this could be a rap for salmon Gilly, right? Definitely at least one more one more goodbye moment in the last episode could probably not next week. And then I think we'll see them back in the final episode of the series. We had a good bye with aria and Genri. Again, we had the big moment at the top of the episode where denarius made him Lord of storms, and I love where you know. She's calling him out and then asks him who's the Lord of storms anything? I've no idea. She does anybody know who which is fun. It was like bad for that guy. You know, like, oh because I missed dinner like, suddenly, I had my castle taken from me like just shown up for those who funny the show never never went there other than you know, Dabo. So. Mela, sandra? Like, a birthing the smoke monster. We never we never got to see storms and in game of thrones. We have no idea what's happening there. So does anybody know? But yes, so Gandhari is now the Lord of storms, and and so he goes and basically makes this five youth proposal to aria. And I I wrote in my notes before she even said it that's not me. This is coming a mile away. Yeah. That was never going to happen. And it makes it makes perfect sense. Not not at all aria. And it totally suggested, you know, honestly, the fact that even Genry asked that it was a little bit like insulting, you know. Like, you should know her better than that by this by now, did you see with I killed the night king? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna miss me. You weren't even on three of the seasons. Where were you like the Nike battle? Where was he, you know? I don't remember him being his aerobics rights get outta here January. But the hand also had a nice episode is a nice scene with each of the stark sisters. Yeah. Great seeing with Sansa where he says if you had left here with me, none of this would've happened. Yeah. She's like, well, if it wasn't for everything that I went through. I'd I'd still be that that little bird. That's that's really dark. That's a dark perspective. Yes. But that I kind of feel like that, you know, all of the suffering. That'll these characters went through. At least it has some gives it some meaning right right now. Because now she is like up to the challenges that she's facing which is largely managing stores. Right. I think that some people have accused the show of having more nihilistic worldview of you know, these characters are just suffering for our enjoyment. But at least that Sansa recognizes that well, yes, I suffered. But you know, I look at look at how much I've grown. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. And then and then you have the hound with aria leaving the castle together both on their way to winter fell to finish unfinished business now. We know what the hounds is. Right. How does going to kill his brother the one thing that might make him happy? Yeah. To kill or re kill his brother was Gregor over officially dead who was poisoning dead mostly day. But it was actually anyway. And who's who's are you going to kill? Well, I think she's gonna go to kill sir sitting. That's the last name. That's on her list is the is the mountain on. But she's gonna let the hound how that one. Yeah. But I agree. It's unlikely that aria kills certainty. Does that mean he's gonna kill aria? That's certainly a possibility. I know that you have been bullish in the path that Arias, I'm not gonna make it Stephen. Bye bye Wigley. I think Winkler's argument was he gave credit to you know. I got I got I definitely got the idea from him. Okay. All right. Well, then you're so are you still on board? Yeah. I I think I it's hard to say because because last episode was such a cop out in terms of killing characters. It kind of changed my perspective. Like, maybe are not only lives, but it's therapy finds a happy relationship. Reunites with them area. But overall other than last weeks, you know, live in whatever whatever we're calling it. You know, the fact that they refused to kill anybody. I think that that true spirit of the show aria would should die. Boy, 'cause it's terrible because it's the worst possible. And for those who did not here last week and have not her just say this. The idea is that because the only truly like horrible death at this point would be his death that the that's the one that has to happen because it's the one we could bear the least I think she's gonna make it. But we'll we'll see we'll see they would have you know, I that would be a very bold choice, and I respect bolt Joyce's. Yeah. Well, exactly I mean, and that's what this this show is about is about bowl choice. Yes. I speaking to make big moves to write this show. Speaking of bold choices. Stephen, let me take a moment. And thank our sponsor, and those are our friends over at blue diamond almonds because if you're watching game of thrones, you must be tired of the same boring snacks, not me because checkout what I have here you've got him. I've got the blue diamond Honey roasted flavored almonds container to snack -able contemporary Sneh. Couple container. I've got the bold Saracho flavored ends, and then of course, the body and soya sauce flavored almonds and why keep snacking on boring chips, and you go to the store and pick up blue diamond almonds, whether you're gonna work bored at work leaving work almonds are perfect snack. Anytime stephen. Let's just let's let's reenact this this battle tonight. So. So. This is if the let's see if the was sobbing soy sauce flavored almonds worthy. Great joy fleet. Very another. Another bold group bolt pairing the Saracho, I guess would be dinner dragon sheriff the Honey roasted almonds with the Lancaster forces still in king's landing. That makes sense that the golden the golden Lancaster's, right? You could take. You can take them out. And then eat them as you're planning out. Your next military move all the flanking that you're doing whatever the moment. Blue diamond almonds is the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously I about a half this can of the Honey roasted almonds. What's the top? It looks very like is it a plastic looks like a very easily received a very. Feelable top is crucial for something. Like that. I always do when you get a bag of chips, and you have forgotten clothes pin? All right. Steven any other thoughts was up. So it's bringing some questions. Well, I do wanna talk. Maybe we'll do the questions about that that conversation between tearing and various like what you think. And what we think, you know, what is the correct choice here. Like is. Is it Danny or the John? However, I also need to get my computer charter because when I was getting like all of my health health stuff. I forgot my charger. So I'll give you thirty seconds. I'll be right back. Okay. All right as we're waiting for Stephen to come back mister robot Taryn asks if St. the if Genry got friends zone by aria, and I have to say that was a resounding. Yes. I think that he got into the the zone. Sorry. Sorry. Gandhari apologize for that one. Jason on Twitter asks us if no hug for ghost. And yeah, I really don't know why John didn't at least like pet him. He really was John Mana coast for something. He gave him a really no no affection whatsoever for ghost. Not not cool. The Starks maybe are not great dire. Wolf owners if you don't love your dire. Wolf then you really you. Shouldn't you shouldn't have one? Okay. Stephen. Not even a Pat on the head for ghost. Sorry. Taking not even a Pat on the head for ghost. Yeah. No, nothing. And like he was all talking about how like Sam is his best friend who was given any ghost is outrageous. That's right. Okay. All right, making Z wants to know. Did you think at any point that Dan, he was gonna take out Sansa worst sister-in-law ever Sansa did not seem happy any point in this episode? I didn't I mean. Because like I think I feel like saints is is is safe right now. Right. I think Sanchez like made it through. She's the lady of winter fell. I think I think we're she's like pretty secure in that in that position. What what do you do you think there's any chance that there will be danger for Sansa later in as in this sort of final kind of showdown between all of the various Starks and tar garrisons. Well, I feel like that the characters that are in winter fell right now are all fine. There's no imminent danger to them. So I think Sansa there's nothing really to worry about. I'm not sure how they're necessarily involved in. The politicking moving forward where I I don't know if then Santa is going to join up with John and generis, maybe after we have services forces defeated in that final episode, and then she could be a witness to everything that's going on. Yeah. I mean, there has to be some moment where Santa is right. Like like because she's she's such a big force in that right in in this kind of these two diametric forces that John is is torn between. Since it is the Representative of one, right? Danny's Representative of one of the forces, right? Like, he's he's in love with Danny? He thinks she should be Queen and Sansa is really more the advocate for John king. Then John himself is so so I think that San set as the Representative of that is going to have to play some role in that kind of like final final negotiation. Whatever that that that big. And the real end moment is okay Zach Brooks wants to know what stop Danny from pulling deeds Ricard's trigger on European Reese prize that Danny did not torch any of Europeans fleet as she buzzed them. Yeah. I was I mean, it seemed like she was surprised by the fleets. Although it also seemed like they were supposed to be ambushing the fleet. And again, I think they were the fleet at dragon stone. Yeah. I was I I was I guess the fleet managed to to to surprise them. And again like they've never been big. On undoing undoing checking doing research doing scouting. No now, they don't do that only only if brand can war into ravens and then go see what's going on. It's only get involved with that. Why does he do that? Why do that for this got other stuff on his mind? So even if I may make one second nitpick on this episode. I wanted the kidnapping of misunder I felt like that that seemed like very targeted in terms of that they blew up the fleet every other person from Ryan sullied swam to shore is Masan they just she can't swim and she was just like bobbing along. And then they ended up just be she was easy to capture. Now. I guess I guess so or maybe they certainly knew who she was that kind of thing doesn't really bother me because it's you know, it's a TV show. Right. It's not it's not a real fleet. Crashing. I think they weren't told you get to the skiff. So maybe she was just a sitting duck in the boat. Right. She was in the rescue skiff. It turns out like, you know, you shouldn't have gone to the Skift. She should've like jumped overboard like. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Brendan fitzpatrick. What stops you from pulling the trigger on Tyrian? I've never that nervous for that guy in eight seasons of the show. I also think she should that blasphemy takeout Syria. Wouldn't it probably would have been the right move. I mean, it is such a weird thing. Why not why not kill it? Maybe. Because maybe because she knows that he gives Danny such terrible advice. Yes. Definitely working for the land and says the whole time. Even even if he's not like explicitly a mole. Maybe she realized that like I mean to be fair like Tyrian is probably the best thing that's has going for her right now in that in as much as hearing is constantly telling Danny not to do a full frontal assault, not to just like roast king's landing. And he's been probably the reason that seriously is still in power. Okay. Let's see Humbert. Oh, says can this, sir? See baby exile. In fifteen years. We see him with a lion as lasting of the show plotting to take back his throne, which it again could sir sees baby live in exile, similar to generis turn the lie in to retake the throne actually that would be a really cool ending. 'cause it certainly would be true to the idea. Right. That of game of thrones. That like it's not like, there's a a neat Anita ending for war. It's not like you win a battle. And then then everything assaults. Although that was the case with the Nike Inc. Yeah. But at least in terms of the realms of humanity, it a winning battles just creates more enemies and more vendettas and more and more problems on the line. So that would be really cool. If sir sees that was kind of the end was was like services child raised in exile. I've Harris in terms of the people that told each other where we got all these. People knowing the secret like I want to know that who made the worst moves of telling people, so John unquestionably bad till aria and Sansa did Sansa get duped by Tyrian when Tyrian talked about like, well, your brother wants told me he's not a stark now. I don't think she was. She's like well funny. You should mention that. Yeah. I think I mean, you know, what I John definitely made the right? It'd be what made the worst worst decision like since is not invested in keeping that secret. In fact, Santa's invested in having that secret public. So John who actually wants the secret to be private like for him to tell someone who doesn't want that secretly private is pretty stupid. And then was it. A big mistake for Tyrian to tell virus. No again, like I've been maybe actually that's interesting because like Tyrian is also invested in that Seger being Presbyterians applaud or he he likes to talk through things. Right. He's he's like, you know, he's one of these like post show quarterbacks who likes to analyze everything, but isn't really necessarily great like implementing himself. Anybody like that? Okay. Steven anything else that you want to say from tonight. What do you think of that various Tyrian conversation? Like, do you think it's so clear like who do you think is that would be the better king? Because from my perspective, they're both terrible. Great queen. Let's three different reasons that John is terrible. He doesn't really want the job. I mean, do you want to have like the reluctant ruler or the overzealous ruler? I theoretically, the idea is you want the person that doesn't wanna rule right because they're not going to be like crazy about their power. But I mean Tammy has been I mean, she's been pretty good ruler. Right. I mean, maybe she hasn't been the most effective ruler with marines. You didn't do a great John? You know of quelling dissent there. But she her heart was in the right place. Yeah. She's a wartime ruler. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like that. She doesn't really get bogged down with the details. And I think that in terms of ruling, I do think the devil is in the details. Yeah, they have to show you on the iron throne. Well, that's the thing is the only person who cares about the grain stores should be on the iron. That would be. That would be a pretty good ending San says as Queen. Yes. I don't know how we get there with Santa's Queen. I guess that would have to be if you wanted to like. Chunk. Well, it gets screwed up. Because of if anybody does John's like John would have to be installed, not as a gun target carrion as the person who is the conquering hero of king's landing then put onto the throne and then having then being taken out, and then I guess Sansa would be his next air. Yeah. That's I guess that's a pretty unlikely scenario also with. I it has not been confirmed that the and John have are having a baby. I'm presuming I thought that was a big presumption. Yeah. You don't think that you don't think that the nurse is pregnant? I don't know. I don't. I don't think. So I don't think so. Okay. I've never been more. Sure. Something in my life. Oh my God. Really knowing snow at all on the line for that one. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. So. Hashtag Danny is pregnant hashtag Danny is not pregnant. Yeah. I like it. That's pretty good. All right. Steven fish back. Thanks again for staying up late. And I know that some of the chatter asking, hey, what's with Stephen is. He have like a quiver of arrows going on there. Stephen had shoulder surgery last week. Yeah. So I'm still recuperating and. But you know, and that's that's it. That's all there is to say about it. Okay. All right. Steven feel better everybody. Thank you for joining us here. Live get your questions in for our game of thrones feedback show when Josh and I go to break down everything from this. Very exciting episode a lot happened. And a lot is set into motion for next week. We'll be live again, you could send your questions in GIO t at post show. Recaps dot com. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast post show. Recaps dot com slash I tunes. Take care have a good night. By right. Tonight's game of thrones recap. Sponsored by your friends over at true cart. Every car comes with its share of stories like that thing in your bumper. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #7: The Broken Man

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #7: The Broken Man

"Winter was here. And we are just getting started with our rewatch of season six episode seven of game of thrones the broken, man. And now here are the two guys who are back to hound you some more rob cicirino here with Josh wiggle. Josh, how are you? I'm doing better than brother Ray, brother. Ray brother, S, A breaking man, literally and figuratively. Here. We are ready to go. And Josh I like this one I thought this was a fun little John here in the broken, man. I you know, I remembered this episode not very fun from from the first time excited to see Sandra gain back in action after so many episodes away from him. But I think this episode of my mind sticks out mostly for are you getting stabbed? And then like dumped into the river. And that's exactly yeah. For whatever reason that just always dominated the way that I thought about this episode. But I think you're right. I think nationally as spend more time on that a little bit. But I think as we've been a little bit down on season six this. This was a nice surprise for me as well. I really enjoyed seeing get some swearing Jin into my game of thrones. For for one night only. I know it was controversial in McShane as brother Ray at the time. Those fun to have him here in the mix for this one episode on the rewatch, and certainly great to get into everything with the hound. We also have Leon more Mont making her debut on game of thrones that scene is fabulous. She's gras. I think a lot of the stuff with with John snow in this episode actually was really really good. The battle of the bastards hype. We're getting ready for the bastard bowl. This is a good episode this we're gonna spend time in river run. And as you've pointed out, it's not a story line that goes anywhere. But I feel like that all those. Scenes in riverine with with Jamie going in and showing up and then getting into the parlay with the Blackfish. I think all that stuff is good. It's fine. Right. It's totally fine. It doesn't really amount to anything ever, you know, who really cares about. The river lands cool. But it looks cool and the Blackfish is a jerk, and he gives Jamie the business and the gives the phrase four as well. And that's kind of fun. So it is leagues above Dorn. But he is once again as we discussed last week he has been sent to plotline Berga, Tori for the time being. But at least his cell is a little cushier than it was in Dorn. Okay. All right. Let's get into everything here from season six episode seven. And Josh we get the rare cold open. I liked this frankly almost missed it. Because I often try to skip ahead on HBO go to get past the credits just to hop right into the meat. And then I was like oh. Right. There's a cold open on this one have to go back and check that out. But yet, that's a very rare thing for game of thrones think it's smart. I think it's a it's a, you know, when you're bringing character back after so much time, especially when we were really left with the impression that the hound was dead. You know, you're not really left to think that there's any way this guy's going to crawl out of that situation and he's gone for a full season. So you're not thinking about him at all if you're not going to introduce that character at the end of an episode. I think it makes a lot of sense to make this move where you're beginning. The episode people are discombobulated by the fact that they're not immediately in the credits here, it ends with reveal that the hound is still alive. And then you're taking to the credits. And you're given some time to process the news. I think is a tactic for sure. Yeah. Okay. So we are introduced to brother Ray here, and he is setting up shop here in the river list. Josh, what can you tell us about brother? Ray brother Ray is he's the man. Is in charge. He's the what's your story. He's the man in charge of this community. He is a former soldier himself is now a man of the gods though, as he is going to point out. He's not really sure which gods or if it's a God he just believes in a higher power. He is somebody who is very similar to the hound. I think in that he has a lot of terrible things in his past that he has done and he is working every day to try and atone for it. And he's further down that path by quite a bit. Then the hound, but he's surly. He's rough around the edges. He's loosely based on a couple of characters from the from the books by George arm. Martin in a feast for crows, this whole story line is loosely adapted from there's there's this location in the books called the quiet. I'll where there is an it's not like the I'll inbetween rose on an airplane. It's a little tiny island. It's it's a silent. In the quiet on the airplane. Yes, you can find that. You are you're luckier person than I am yet to find such a place, but it's it's this place where people go for a tone mint, and they're working and they're trying to do good for the world. And there had been a lot of theories that there's a passage in that book about this grave digger Brienne is looking at this grave digger from a distance and the way that this character is described strongly fits the profile of the hound in this version of events Brienne in the hound had not met. So that's a big difference between the books and the show and the way that the man who is in charge of the quiet. I'll talks about how he met the hound. He met Sandra cla gain. And he keeps saying the hound is dead. The hound is dead, but he never mentioned sand Orkla gains. So it's all very metaphysical. And you know, it's a little bit fast and loose with the rules. And that has never really bared out in the books quite yet. Because those are. Are still they're moving at the pace that they're moving. But the show was very exciting moment when this happened on the show, even though it's a little bit of a detour from the way that plays out in these crows, and that story is really fun in that book. I think really nice little sojourned there. This is a little bit of a rubber around the edges version of that same tail and it certainly getting the hound into the thick of the action in a way that that has not been accomplished yet in the book. Can I go circle back to you mentioned that the Helen and brea never met in the books? What was the book fate of the hound to this point my memory of that is I think that the hound he he's the one who he he encounters? I forget who he encounters how he gets the wound. He gets like bitten or he gets some sort of injury. And the injury is starting to fester writer. Yeah. I don't remember if it's the biter that he encounters. I don't remember exactly the circumstances. But he's injured and the injury. Is starting to to really get bad. And he's starting to get sick from it and aria leaves him in the night after a similar moment where he's like kill me kill me. And she just doesn't do it. And she keeps walking, and you know, she walks away from him and leaves him behind and he's just in such agony that he can't come after her. But Brienne has nothing to do it. Do it to my recollection. She does bite somebody who is wearing the hounds helmet. Who is I believe that that might be Rourke in the biter actually that she she's fights those guys, but it's not the hound himself that she fights. Okay. All right. So we have the hand there. And we find out that brother Ray was part of recess evicting the hand he thought he was giving the how to burial turns out that he was only mostly dead. Yes. Which is slightly alive in once again, the miracle max rules making their way into the winter was here podcast. And so. They're talking a little bit about the gods. And the houses if the gods are real why haven't they punish me for all the terrible things that I've done brother. Ray you all the answers right to bear question. Right. I mean, how horrible things these incident really terrible things. And yet he is still alive and brother Ray who is talking about. How I I know there's plenty of people who feel like they know the word of God. I don't I don't even know their real names. You know, maybe it's the seven maybe it's the old gods. Maybe it's the Lord of light. But whoever is out there. They've got plans for you. And this is obviously I'm still in the in the thick of the the afterglow of my lost rewatch. Rob. This is this is like straight out of the pages of that show. Right. We're like that's cine destiny awaits you. Sandra cla gain. And I think through where we are in game of thrones with six episodes left. I don't feel satisfied on whatever purpose and Orkla gain has left to you. You don't feel satisfied in the per like, whatever this destiny is. I think it's still awaits. I think it's still in the future. Sure. I mean, he was part of the group that when north of the wall does that count. What do you think he has to fight in the click gain ball? Yeah. He's got to fight into cla gain bowl. He's got a guy to do something something ethic. Something that's going to be very worthwhile and helpful for everybody involved. Yeah. I think he's got a part of the play in this final run of episodes. I'm excited for it. I'm very excited to see whatever that is. I'm sure gain bowl is going to be a big part of it. But I think as we've talked about like is it going to be like a one on one like trial by combat probably not as the gains. Meaning on a battlefield that seems more likely, but the other pieces of our way, what are the ramifications of Sandra gain standing up to his brother one last time with what will he prevent who? Will he save in the process of that? I think those are the questions at once we get the answers to those hopefully fingers crossed. I think the Sandra again storyline will be a really satisfying one in the end. Okay. So let's go from one godly man to another. And I guess let's check. Check in with the high Sparrow who needs to talk to Marjorie, no Marjorie is deep in her studying of the seven and the holy texts. And he needs to talk to Marjorie about he's been having some guy talk with Tom. And I was wondering what you thought defeating that Marjorie has actually memorized like all of this stuff or do you think win the Heisman walks in and says, what are you reading today? And she gets to choose what she says he says the book of the mother your holiness chapter three verse twelve does she only have to memorize like loosely around that section in order to really impress the highest payroll right here. Well, she might be deepen study. I think that Marjorie is one of the better game players in game of thrones. So she's working on her lines in terms of what she's going to say when the high Sparrow comes in. So I think that for the most part she has most of her bases covered. She's. Very impressive in this scene. I think that the way I again, like we talked about this with this last episode of like it's a little disappointing that Marjorie does not get to win right that we don't get to see enough of her plan that really blows up in her face, quite literally. But I think that you see the seeds of what she's planning here. I think this episode really pushes it forward to where she's she's baking a lot of honesty into her plot here where she's talking about. I never loved the poor. Yet deep cover this feels deep cover with the highest barrow would have been fun to see it really work in pan out. But I think the consequence of that would have been we would be more of the horse borough right now, she's really really good. I think that her one slip up along the way is when she sort of tagged is is sir C, which kind of leads to this whole mess. She almost gets out of it. But ultimately is just too crazy of an enemy to have antagonized, and she was going to pay the price here at the end of the season. But that's rice steamer is one mistake was just that time when she got just too big for her britches when she became the Queen. And then just sort of like egged on in front of her friends. You never wanna egg on anybody. Let alone. Yeah. So Marjorie is talking to the highest barrow here. And being the four disgusted me like, yeah, they're gross. And they discussed us because we're gross to remind ourselves. Yeah. On that note. So Marjorie Thomas's that you guys have not been sharing the marital bed since you got together. What's up with that? Ian. It's just no, I'm just not. I'm not really feeling it. Honest. You must share the marital bed part of your duty to your husband to your king, even to the gods themselves. The gods are cheering you on. This is awkward. This is operatives. Hi, Spero coming in to talk to Marjorie about the sparrows. And the bees here is a weird look for sure certainly I mean, it's not something that Marjorie had any reservations about in the past. Is this part of that in terms of keeping her character? She's have to be very pure right now, and I should not be in the Mary engaging in those acts. You know, I think as much as she can. I think we're seeing Marjory wanting to let at least the high Sparrow feel like she is taking all of her cues from from the faith as expressed by him. Right. Like that. He is the guy that is going to to feel like he is in powered to show her everything to show her the ropes to show her the way to be the Mickey to Herati. And I think if that's the case then then for her to have a moment like this. This where she is is showing herself to be very hesitant to to sleep with Tom. And I think only helps to bolster this character that she is playing for the high spare win will only help endear the high spirits her Pete feels like he's doing this great service getting the king and the Queen back together and letting her know, no, that's totally. Okay. It's it's marriage. Like, you're fine. This is a good thing to do this. You really should do. I think it's really just helping her undercover case for sure. Okay. So high-speed does also one of the things he says, you know, you're doing great. But that that grandmother of yours. She's really she's really not doing so hot. Yeah. She's a great strong woman and huge center. So you know, you gotta you're gonna have to teach her teacher what I'm teaching you. Otherwise, I think she's in trubs. Yeah. Okay. All right. So Marjorie is going to get a chance to talk with the Queen of thrones. And she is not happy lady. No, she doesn't like the fact that she can't even have a moment alone with Marjorie on top of everything else. Like the way that Marjorie has is acting piously and everything and the fact that she undercut the plan the rescue operation from earlier, and now septa who Nella is peeping on all the conversations and lady lenna not a fan not a fan of septa. But who is yes, this is a supervised visitation between Marjorie and lady Alanna and Marjorie is like no grandmother, you have to go back the high garden and lady resists can't go not without my granddaughter, and my grandson and knowing about them, she says, don't worry, just go home and she slips a note into her hand under the nose of septa Nella, very clever sleight of hand from Margery Tyrell once again, just the clever family, it really does it. Really, sure. Yeah. Because lady'll Lenin was able to get that stone off of Santa's necklace back a wedding. Do you think the tyrel 's have gone to clown school? Like is that is that part of their training at high garden for Habsburg clowns are really, you know, masters of sleight of hand. Yeah. I guess clans are pretty loud. And like, yeah. Very busy with their static. But maybe that makes a clown an expert fief like joker because you're so distracted by the shenanigans. That you can't see what they are sneaking behind your back. You just don't know. You'd never suspect. The clown problem is you're too suspicious. If the clown to begin with that you're not suspecting them of their true purpose? That's that's the way it works. Right. It's a lady she gets out of that meeting. Josh. And she opens up the note, and it's a rose. It's a rose a rose. And it is it is a nice reminder that Marjorie is still playing team tyrel. This is all part of the plan a plan that we will never see grow to fruition. But it's a nice stronger. Yes, it's it's nice. It's nice acknowledgement not just for lady Leno. But I think also for the audience as well since we'll never really get the full side of Marjorie plot here. That she's working an angle here. She's you know, she's she's still Griffin. Always be gripping. Okay. All right. So John and torment are going to go out, and we'll see John and ultimately Sansa really pitching. Hey, come work with the Starks. We've got a lot of stuff going on. But first they need to pitch the free folk. Yes. And you know, the the reliance between giants Bain in John snow at this point has really developed. I think coming back to life was really the deal breaker for torment. I think tournament was already starting to feel like John is more of a bro than I gave them credit for, you know, easily lets me out of jail. He comes with me too too, hard, home and talks on the wild things and helps out the case he lets us through. That's all really cool. Then he died that wasn't so great. But then he came back to life. That was really really awesome. And I really got to be playing ball with John snow. So then at this point torment is he has he has. New best friend in town in it is the it is the former Lord commander of the night's watch. Right. And we're talking to a guy named a dim Dalbah. A do we know anything about him as a first appearance for dimmed Alpa? I have no recollection of dimmed Alba. Yeah. And alternately, you know, John is trying to talk to dim dims playing hard ball of hard home ball and saying look, we we don't want to go with the wire. Why are we going to go and work with you? And John gives them the skinny I think he gives them the low down that he's trying to give to everybody. This is your fight. If if we die if we lose urine, the north, and you are surrounded by a ton of people who are going to want you dead. I am your ally out here. I don't want you to have to come to winner fell. I think it sucks that you have to. I shouldn't be asking you. This wasn't the deal we made. But if we're going to survive, we really got a team up here. Like your best chance for survival is to go into the bear pit. Okay. Now, torments like bear pits. Not so bad. Right. He loves the bear pit. Favorite part of the pair. Oh my God. There's one there's one person in the wild lane crew that is on board with this one one the giant when the giant stands everybody takes notice and says snow. Yeah. Maybe he's just talking about his favorite thing. He will know it was a weather forecast endorsement, yeah. Winter's coming that is one expresses it snow. Okay. So the free Fokker onboard. So that's that's one down. I love this this final exchange in the scene between John and torment where John asks are you? Sure that they'll come and terminates. We're not like you southerners when we say, we'll do something we do it. Okay. The wild things are men and women of their words. All right, lady Alanna, she is still in king's landing. She is going to meet up with, sir. See, and what what is sir sees angle here? I think she's just like coming here to like needle lady'll went off. One time. I think she's always always good intentions. Yeah. But the other piece of it too. I think is maybe he wants lady lenna to stay. If she already knows what she's planning with the light of the seven. Knows that she's going to be wiping everybody out. Maybe she wants lady Alanna here. Maybe she doesn't want her to be able to to witness this from a distance. Yeah. Because she is like, yeah. I did make a mistake blew it and lady Alanna is talking about, you know, I think you're the worst person I ever met. I can't think of anybody who's worse and leaving the city, and the only good thing that is that can come all this is that you know, that you're miserable too. Yeah. That's that's the good news. Is that I'm not the only one who is just having a horrible time. Like, you're having a terrible time as well. It's like she was speaking to us a couple of episodes ago. So. Direct to our hearts. Okay. All right. Let's check in with vinyl seen between those two. I believe we'll never we'll never see the two of them together. Again. Great pair lady'll wena inserts run. Very good run. That's a good segue to river run. Okay. Jamie and Bron show. Is this first sight of Braun here in season six I believe. That's right. I think that he's been he's been nursing himself back to health after his brush with the most beautiful woman in the world. Okay. So it's Jamie and Braun back on the road, always fun to see together. Even though they get sent on a lot of side quests, Jamie and Bronner showing what is Braun they're off to do. It seems like the bronze scenes like that. This is a shock to him. When Jamie starts putting him in charge stuff. Yeah. I mean, did he think he was just here for the jokes? Yeah. Braun is nitpicking the siege. That the phrase are running, of course, the phrase they did pull off the red wedding. Otherwise have been shown to be pretty incompetent Jamie says guess what? Brian now, you're in charge of the siege. No to be injured. See? Okay. And so Jamie is going to check in with low thir- fray. Yeah. I also like before before the scene with the phrase that Braun is trying to like, where's all the stuff? You promise me, the lordship high-born beauty for my wife the castle. Jamie says you'll get it. You'll get all three Lancaster always Brian does not want to hear the rest of all say. At Dutch, you say, it, don't you say that thing. Really makes sense. Why Bron prefers Tyrian I think Tyrian like asks a lot of Braun. But I think that he takes Braun to fewer places like the physical mileage on Braun is less than it is when Ron is is teamed up with Jamie. Lynn, right. His step count is really high inister. All right. So we're seeing the latest fray plan is feel like that the Blackfish will surrender river run in exchange for the hostage at MIR tally. It's a really great moment where black waters like I've got him. I've got it. Tony staff cut his throat like I did hear dis opened the door. Joe head of the door in the black. No, just kill him. It's totally fine. If you kill him, it's just at tally. So you wonder how often this has been happening? The book has a crazy stat for how often they like trotted Edward totally out. I think like he's he's like putting the stocks his head is in a noose for days and days and days on end. And they keep threatening to hang him and poor Edmore toys just like stuck on public display as the Blackfish really does not care at all. So this is like a slight version of that. But it's still pretty funny here on the show. I think okay. So james. Me and Braun are gonna start telling the phrase what's up we see that low -ther is not happy to have. Now, the Lancasters involved in the siege. The they don't want them here. This is our siege. This is this is freighter, Tori, when you do an ear Lancaster party. Yeah. There is a great moment. Where is it low third or black Walter that Jamie punches in the face? I believe it's black. Walter gets gets the backhand. Yeah. Jamie says look only a full is going to make threat he's not prepared to carry out. Now, let's say I threaten to hit you unless you shut your mouth, and you kept talking and black Walder keeps going and then Jamie slaps him across the face that golden hand being put to good use in a moment. Like this. That's really got a smart. Yeah. Somehow the phrase had no idea also that the land. Army was coming up to river Bron describes that in vivid detail. Let's just let's just say good thing that Jamie and Bron are are the phrase friends. Otherwise would have been a very uncomfortable position for everyone. Okay. All right. Jamie this up par lay with with the Blackfish. Yeah. He wants to talk to the guy wants a word. All right. So he's going to have a word, and we'll see that later on. All right. Let's go to bear island where we can see the great Liana Mormon working with John snow and Sansa talking about a real meet up. I love Liana more much. She is just she's one of those characters that can't imagine is going to have a major impact on the show moving forward. But it's just one of the great grands in the cranberry ex of game of thrones, everything everything that she ever adds to the show is just perfect. It's it's a couple of scenes only, but all of those scenes are. Super great this one being the best where she's just, you know, she's she's giving them giving them the business like she's ten year old girl if that I think like younger, and she is the lady of bear island, and she's not going to be persuaded to join any fights, certainly not without a a little bit of elbow grease and Davos e worth will be the man to deliver. Well, she's great from even her. I mention when she sent to status that said bear island, those no king, but the king and the north whose name is stark and sounds like she's a real piece of work this. Yeah. So I think that for for for 'Davis. He's probably been thinking about that. Right. Like, it feels like he probably has the measure of her to some degree coming into this coming into this meeting aware that like whoever were dealing with is going to be an intense person that we should tread lightly with. Yeah. And she's almost like the same as the Queen thorns except just like in the ten year old package. It's really like the two ends of the spectrum of you have like Leon more Mont, and then also lady Alanna and very similar in tone. But really opposite ends of the age spectrum. That's very funny. You know, it makes me very sad that we never got a lady Liana lady lenna seen together because that could have been dynamite. But it makes me retroactively feel a little bit better about the fact that we're going to lose lady Elena because at least we have lady Liana who absolutely is the successor to the Queen of thorns. It's a very good observation. Yeah. Because John going to try to remind Liana more Moremon about how she said. Hey, you said, you know, no king a stark. And she's like, yeah. But you're a snow, and you are without a Lancaster Bolton. I don't recall which which I've heard conflicting reports really coming after Sansa here. I did my head to survive. I'm a stark, very so. Yeah, there's a lot of funny stuff here too. When when Santa's like, oh, you're named after my aunt Liana. Who is allegedly a great beauty. I'm sure you will be too. I was like. Yeah. Kind of doubt. It don't think. So. My mom wasn't. So. Doc votes comes in and da votes is a bit of the Liana more Mont whisper, and he's able to talk some real talk to Leon Moremon. He gives a really great speech here where he talks about how he can relate to her that she never thought she would be in this position of having to be responsible for so many people at such a young age in Davos is like I never thought I would be in this position. I was a crabbers son. I was a smuggler. And now here I am speaking to the lady of great house in a time of war. And like it's that it's that exact right balance between like sucking up to lady Liana. But also speaking plainly of like, this is the truth. This is the true narrative, I'm guessing it up a little bit to gain your respect. But years the blunt talk that if we do not back. John snow? We are in major trouble because it's really not even about the Boltons. It's about this great threat that is bearing down upon the wall, and this starts to sparkley on us interest. Where she she realizes that. If all of these people are talking about the great threat of the night king and the white walkers Davos tongue about how as long as the Bolton told winter fell and the north is divided divided north isn't going to stand a chance against what's coming next. So if you want to protect your people, we really need to work together. There's no hiding from this. This is sort of the straight talk that Liana more on. I think is going to buy and more than anything in the universe. I am. I am praying for an ending of game of thrones. Where DAV just becomes Leon Liana more months Lieutenant for the rest of time because these two this is Greg. I mean, that's an exaggeration. But I would love to see that. I think that would be a fantastic ending for both of these characters. He's always been good with with kids. Right. Like used to speak to serene breathy and very plainly. So I think here like this is sort of a tender moment for him as well. As a proactive and productive one. Okay. So the good news is house. More Mont is on board. They are going to commit their fighting men to the cause. And this sounds like, okay. This is great John. What's how many men can we expect? And we found the answers sixty two. It's really small miracle. That John's doesn't just immediately flip a table. Of this was for sixty two because you have to imagine the footwork that went into getting to bear island. Rivaling bronze step count, literally an island. So they're schlepping all the way to bear island to to make this pitch where they're all getting. They're all getting insulted except for Davos who walks away. Squeaky clean, all for sixty two human beings to add to the fighting force. Really just probably the Jews not being worth the squeeze on this. Josh those sixty two men are fighting with the strength of ten mainlanders. Okay. So this is six hundred twenty people. We're talking about here, essentially, nothing nothing. Yes. And that's true. He has the perfect answer. He says if they're half as ferocious their lady, the Boltons are doomed to bulletins doomed see worth the more the more and more comeback through game at their owns the more. I'm thinking donnas might be my favorite character. He's just. Great. Wow. I I really love I think Liam Cunningham plays this character. So well, he's he's very high in the mix for my favorite characters of game of thrones. Okay. Let's see Jamie and the Blackfish. This is. So what a game of thrones seen this is. Right. I mean, just like in terms of it being like perfectly game of thrones where the drawbridge comes down, and there's one bad ass on one end of it. And then another bad ass on the other end, and they meet in the middle kings Benach fish. It's just this is the type of stuff, you don't get on any other show, just very epic instantly epic Jamie cannot talk any sense into the Blackfish, basically, Jamie. What are your demands what do you want? Give us this this castle to don't you want to do? What's best for your men Blackfish? Blackfish? Yeah. I I was born here. I'll die here. I don't care whatever he's got hundreds of people here, and he's doesn't seem terribly concerned. Yeah. We're fine. We'll we'll stick it out. We'll be here. We've got enough food for two years. Do you up two years? Yeah. He says. Why am I why am I trying to bargain with you bargaining with an oath breaker? It's like building on quicksand and quicksand it's a little bit of a touchy subject for Jamie, having just come back from Dohrn. Yeah. The Blackfish opens with oh, are you here to honor the deal that you made with my niece and return her daughter's like, no, really? Yeah. We come to find out. The only reason this meeting is happening is the Blackfish is board sieges are boring. What do you want from me just wanted to get the measure of Jamie, Lancaster, and he's disappointed? Yeah. Actually, like that's unfair to Jamie way. And I think Jamie Lancaster's coming here, and he's trying to be a reasonable guy. And I think I think that janey Lancaster's authentically trying to be a reasonable guy is like why would you sacrifice off your men for a lost cause just like give in all cut? You a deal we can come up with some sort of arrangement, but the land Stor name is in the is in the garbage at this point. It's in the dumpster a land at the Lancaster name is worth. Nothing after the red wedding, especially to the tolleys, and we know the Blackfish walks away from this encounter thinking that Jamie. The very least like was he at least going to try and fight me or trying shank me here. He's not even doing any vet. This guy's just kind of a waste, and it's sad. Because I think he's got the wrong measure of Jamie, Lancaster. But you can't really blame him for having that read on this guy where you shouldn't trust Jamie Lantis, or even if we as the viewer have seen the more three dimensional approach to this character that this is probably a guy who ends means that when he says, I can cut you a deal. And the Lancaster name is not worth used to. And neither is the stark name because we've seen John and Santa and they are doing okay. With the free folk they did a pretty good by lady more Mont. But now they're gonna go visit house Glover to go. See, sir. Donald. Lady ellen. Lady Helen, sir. Danny. Tanis my favorite. Yes. We wanted. Hey, house Glover come on. Let's go fight the Boltons. And they said, yeah. Hard pass. Yeah. Definitely no hard. No. We fought with you before and the whole red wedding thing happened in really really threw a wrench and our whole situation. We were very sad when we found out that Ned died we cried for them. We've we've done our duty here with you. And this is this is a nonstarter for us. And we absolutely cannot fight on your. Yeah. And so Jon tries to guilt them a little bit. The Sansa wants to remind house Glover that they were sworn to house stark and Robert Glover says. Yeah. Well that didn't work out. So great when the iron born came here and locked up, my wife and kids, and where was my king in the north during that time. Oh, that's right. He took off. With some foreign born floozy. Yes. Those are exact words of foreign lady of the night king. Yeah. Yeah. That was a bad. Call. Well, that wasn't us though. That was our brother I served how stark once he says, but how stark is dead. Apparently, he didn't get the memo that is back to life. Yep. Came back. Okay. All right. So let's go in basically Robert Glover's going to he's going to whistle a different tune by the end of the season. He's one of the most emphatic kings in the north declares later on. So he'll come around. Okay. Speaking of ladies of the night king. We are going to check in at a Vallance brothel. Yes. Yes. And we're gonna. What's there to discuss with this scene beyond set is still they still very nervous? He doesn't feel secure is a great joy Yar as trying to get him very drunk. She's like forcing him to chug chug chug Frank the tank Frank the tank and a little baby. Yeah. We're we're we're gray joys, man. We're off we're going to we're going to win back the are nylons, and it's going to be great. And as long as we're alive your aunts coming for us. But it's a big world and we've got fascism get drunk. You are harsh ING my mellow, sir. Yes. She has her eyes set on a certain price here at the bar, and she really wants to get through this if she can get back to work. All right. But the plan is she's she's saying we're gonna go to marine it's going to be fine. We're going to make a deal with the dragon Queen. We're going to take back the iron islands. This really isn't nearly as bad as you think. Please stop being such a buzzkill. Yeah. Theon eventually is it seems like he's probably like so instantly drunk that he has lost his words. But he seems like he's on on board. And then you are as pleased, and she says, okay, sweet my last night ashore. So I'm gonna go f- the tees off of this one. Yeah. Which is. Dialogue. Yeah. Definitely. Lost in a little bit of the exposition. In addition to stealing your on's ships. They also stole his idea where I don't think we knew prior to this scene. That's what yarn theon we're off to do was to go treat with deniro's. Yeah. But you know, it was a good idea. There's a reason he won the election aside from institutional massage that form. Yeah. It was a good platform. All right. Let's check backing with John and Sanson Davos and they're going to set up camp. Is it stands set up a camp here? This is a good campsites Danis knew what he was doing even though he died and the lost the war. It was mostly the weather's fault. What he's doing in terms of finding campsites lame it on the snow. Yeah. A walled off in the making. Yeah. And there was all the Wild Wings. Donald has hands full with trying to keep them from fighting each other. Yeah, they don't have a lot of people. What are the numbers that? They've got like a little bit past two thousand not quite twenty five hundred people right now. Yeah. Mostly wild things in the wild ings are fighting each other and Santa is doing the math in your head. And she's like it's not enough. It's not enough. And she sees the ravens. Yes. Penn. Yes, she's she's going to be the one who's going to formulate this plan that is alternately going to save the skins of everybody in this battle in. She's she's the one who's going to call in little finger and summoned the knights of the veil. This will come in greatly enhanced in just a couple of from now. Okay. All right back at the river lands. We are going to get some more talk with a brother Ray, he's going to talk about you know, his his old life. Yes. His old life, and who he was before he's giving a big sermon about how he used to be. He used to be a yes man used to fight because he was he was a frayed that other people would see he was afraid he was a coward. So when when someone would tell him to burn village. All right. I'm your arsonist the. Yeah, I'll steal to kill. I'll kill. It. Wasn't great. Right. And he was just following orders. The it was not his will. No, it's not that humans are animals that they're just are. They humans. I see what you do. That you know. I smell what you're after here there beings or speaking stop worrying about or do they live on planet owes. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think that's on an official name. I don't think there's an official name for. Yeah. Okay. But they were just following their orders. And ultimately, you know, he's making a lot of sense, brother Ray. But then he gets interrupted by some of the brotherhood without banners. Yeah. Allegedly. They're they're presenting themselves that way, we're here we protect the people. You gotta give some stuff in order to protect you. Gotta gotta gotta make sure that you guys are safe from all the terrible people out there. But Ray is not negotiating with these guys. He doesn't have much to negotiate with according to his perspective. Yeah. And he is a pissing. These guys off. Off the down which is going to prove to be bad choice because they are actually rather dangerous this crew. Yeah. And so they want they want horses. They want steal. They want gold and brother Ray says. Nope, we have nothing for you. Guys gives them the Robert Glover treatment hard. Them's down. Yeah. And so we see the hell and that he does not like, this course of action. He says to brother Ray, why why didn't we stand up to those guys and brother races? You know? There's there's really no reason we're not going to fight them. You versus them. Are you really going to be able to do that? And Sanders says you can fight you could fight with me. There's only three right rather raise done fight. Again. I feel like the hound could take on three guys. Yeah. Could have is back, but brother racist violence is a disease, and you don't cure a disease by spreading it to more people. And so he's trying to to walk the hound away from the path of violence. He's really trying to do this guy the disease if you give it to more people because if it's like all on you when you give it to other people, doesn't it weaken it. How it works? I feel like it's sort of like spreading other people if I have a cold, and then I you give it the five people. Right. If you the cold, I now have less of Michael. Yeah. Right. Math. That's what I was always taught. But I guess not. I guess not. Great. We're going to try that a couple of weeks. I'm evitable cold. Yeah. Subways. Until it's gone. So stupid. Money works, right? All right anyway, moving on. Santa Clara gains says, you know. Guy's brother is. It's just guide. We'll be we'll we'll check back in a little bit. But let's check in with REO a little Springer step. She's like, you know, what I've been here in Bravo's for two seasons. I'm in getting out while the getting's good think go out for a walk read. Now. The song very happy. Day for aria, the very like the very sunny montage that is occurring here. Which is like, yeah. Get me back to west rose. I'm outta here. Peace Bravo's this storyline suit. And then she's like walking on the bridge do dues, but he do. Well, she buys passage back to west rose a bunch of coins to a guy and then says, hey, take me to west we're leaving tomorrow. You'll get a hammock and she gives another bag gold and says now give a cabin. Yeah. Want the front seat? Yeah. Wants mercy. Wants Mercer from. I mean, I think those were very popular choice tres, clams and goggles with our. Yeah. Wow. Probably facials man some money from somewhere. Right. All it. I can't imagine that she didn't resourceful resourceful aria stark. But she's she's bought the first class cabin. She's going to go back home tomorrow. She's renewed with purpose. He's aria stark once more, and sadly, this old woman on the bridge is not just any old woman. Nope, old woman comes up says a sweet girl, it's the way and she's got a knife. And she stabs aria a bunch of times in the stomach. Yeah. Multiple stabs stabby, stab stabby and aria is still going to have enough strength to like push the wave away, very forcefully and do a really forcible pivot off of the bridge and hop down into the water. Yeah. Impressive for somebody who's been stabbed as many times as she has a very vulnerable area kind of a half ass job from trained assassin the wave. Have we come to expect anything more? No, just really she's does nothing but brutalize aria at every opportunity. So I'll just leave her for dead. Why think that that's why Jack in Hagar's like don't make her suffer? Just do it. She's going to be more problematic than than you realize. If you don't just kill her off. I should've listened and she should've listened to Jack new gar. Yeah. So aria knocked into the water. She gets out and then walking down the street, but she is bleeding out. She needs some medical attention step. Yes. Which will which will lead us into the Bravo. C finale in in one week's time. Okay. All right. Let's get back to the river lands, and we see the hound boy. He must've been out shopping would way off in the distance. Or maybe just is like very waxy ears and has trouble hearing you. That's possible. You know that this one side of his face is pretty rough. So maybe that has affected his hearing some degree. Yeah. Maybe he's been in a lot of battles battles or loud. It's like probably like the game in game of thrones of like going to a lot of heavy metal concerts. You know doesn't plug his ears when he goes to war. So he's probably heard a lot of screaming and explosions. Yeah. Im- backing hearing never been mentioned on three, but I'll buy I'll buy it. Because somehow the hound missed brother Ray and everybody else from the camp just getting slaughtered by the brotherhood. Maybe he was napping where he was chopping wood. And he's just a heavy sleeper. Yeah. Okay. Everyone's dead is dead. And he's hanging in sterile. Everybody's dead. Very sad. Very sad. And that's the end the episode. Yes. And he's the episode ends with him picking the acts backup. And you get the sense that he's caught the disease again. And now he's going. Yes. And he's going to offload it onto more people. So that he can feel better. Yes. And there you have it. And I'd say this is probably my second favorite episode here in the season. I think in retrospect, I think it is. It is a better episode than the door. You know, which is an episode that I certainly have regarded quietly in the past the door has a higher higher high. I think that you know, in terms of in my TV ranking history. I do think you go with the conic higher high over the more complete body of work. But I think for that effort. Sure. But I think if you're to say, which was which was a more satisfying episode to watch as an episode in less as a sequence, I think that this is going to be the winner for me. Yeah. Okay. So nice job here in the broken, man. Broken man with the broken plan, and it is leading us. Into next week's discussion of no one season. Six episode eight the episode that no one asked for. Are you in the way forgoing to finally settle this thing, which I guess we should be grateful for it's always darkest before the dawn here in season six that is definitely true darkest before the dawn. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna have one last hurrah in Bravo's as Arias going to finish the house of black and white story line. And then it will be a while before we see her after that. So we're isn't we're close to the we're in the homestretch of season six I would say, but next week's episode anything that's going to be a little bit of a low point would be my expectation before we get into the final two episodes of the season, which ideally will be the highest of highs. Okay. All right. So they go moving right along closing in on the end of season six and seven right around the corner. So a lot going on. Of course, you could follow the great Josh Wigley on Twitter. He's at round Howard. I'm rob cicirino. Josh anything else? You wanna tell to the wonderful listeners know, I would I would not want to spread any of the ideas that I'm working on. I wanna keep them to myself for you give away all your good ideas. And you'll have exactly exactly I don't wanna I don't wanna do that. Okay. All right. Thank you guys so much for listening. Had a lot of fun going through the broken, man. We've back next time. Good one by.

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PODCAST: Regine Sawyer on WiNC and Being a Kickstarter Artist in Residence

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PODCAST: Regine Sawyer on WiNC and Being a Kickstarter Artist in Residence

"What are the benefits of doing one at a time as opposed to hey? I'M GONNA kick start all three books or something. Mark can't take it everyone Karema and this is the blur girl podcast on this episode. I sit down with regime Sawyer. The founder of luck it down productions women comics New York international and the upcoming win con which is in his third year plus Dark Phoenix Phoenix happened Black Mirror broke. Everyone's brain andy threes here and apple has dropped the most expensive cheese grader in the history of ever so stay tuned because I'll be talking about all of that but first. Let's pay some bills if you've been following me for any length of time and you know I stay busy and it's really hard for me to get in all the reading that I wouldn't do so that's why I'm a huge fan of audio books from audible and if you use my special code audible audible child dot com slash the blurred girl you can get a free subscription. Now I listen to them. What I'm claiming the house traveling there especially great for passing the time on those long lines at the airport now currently I'm listening to a Kata which for three reasons one one? I'm a fan of Nettie fours writing <hes> she writes incredible science fiction featuring African women to it's been dubbed the Nigerian Harry Potter and three because it's heated Jackie who was just on the show recently is narrating radiant. Now what I love about audio books like this is that kind of light scripted podcast they are like listening to old time radio programs and I love that but don't take my word for it starts. You're on commitment free thirty day trial at audible the child dot com slash the blur girl you can choose from one audiobook and to audible originals you can hear anywhere else also any credits that you don't use totally rollover to the next month so start your thirty day free trials today by going to off trial dot com slash the girl now back to the show so start with some news dark phoenix dropped <hes> I saw it actually last week and and let's just say fans were underwhelmed. I was to to be honest. I mean I. I'm going to get a little bit spoiler here. So if you don't WanNA listen skip ahead in terms of the movie itself the effects were pretty good. Honestly SANSA did really well. We all kind of new Raven was gonNA catch it because Jennifer Lawrence has been complaining about the character for a couple of years now and I didn't hate the film like a lot of fans did but it was definitely not wasn't Beckmann x-men film. I duNNo. I said that online recently and somebody asked me well. What does an X.? Men Film look like and my answer was actually. I'll let you know when I see one that being said I really did enjoy the deadpool films yes. He is an accident and in fact you can listen to me talk all about about deadpool over at sci-fi wire where they have series called days of marvel where we talk about everything going on in the I._C._U.. And <hes> I got to host the Deadpool podcast. It was part of their twelve days of X.. Men Series so check that out the other movie I uh-huh mostly enjoyed in the X.. Men Universe has were is Logan. It was extremely well executed but I can't say it was my favorite because they felt the need to decimate an entire black family to do it but that commentary is clearly for another podcast moving onto black mirror basically season five dropped episode episode one Anthony Mackie who you know as Falcon from the adventure series of Duma team the second who's you saw is black Manta from aquaman and in us and Nicole Bahari our beloved abby meals from sleepy hollow I for one. I'm really excited to see Bahari back acting again. They all star in striking vipers which is the very first episode this shows created by Charlie Booker Executive Producer Annabel Jones and sticking to this formula that works this outer limits slash twilight zone level writing now what's funny is I'm not going to spoil it but I was lucky enough to watch the first episode of striking taking bikers with a crowd when strong black lead. That's Netflix target market brand contacted me I for screening. It was lovely actually now. I won't spoil it for you but when I tell you that at the end of this screening how uncomfortable most of the straight black men in the audience were was hilarious. I don't know why they were uncomfortable. It's just it's just funny so it definitely look. It's probably month happy pride. Tell you listeners Q.. One of the things that I really like about this episode is that it takes two male action even say to male actors as all the leads who appear to be very straight hetero normative and basically through technology give all of their relationship a bit of a twist and I for one am happy to see it. I'm happy to see it because it is interesting. When mainstream audiences specifically mainstream black audiences get to see another side of the black community? We don't only to see so that's all I'm GONNA say but for those use on my little meam you might WanNa come on this when you see it but it's very strange when I realized that Manta Ah is Mantis or Mantis is Mansa. I should say so go watch it and that that little comment will make sense now. Let's get into a little bit last week as part of their worldwide developer conference or w W._D._C. Three Apple announced that it is finally giving us a new desktop operating system and if you haven't seen yet this thing looks like a cross between a a laundry basket and cheese greater or while the size of do anyway. It's a big deal because the last model affectionately known as the tin can from a little round black thing it came out in two thousand thirteen which in computer years is like one hundred fifty years ago Mac admitted it was faulty and that they had to Redo it and took their time doing so <hes> they pushed I max and powerbook's with buttons and strips that don't make any sense on them even mag minis. I believe we're we're selling really well until they got themselves together. Anyhow this new Mac Book Pro Oh tower boosts the new Catalina I guess they ran out of landscape names and according to the verse Dot Com supports an Intel Zeon processor up to twenty eight cores and after one point five hundred terabytes are bites memory. You can really expand this thing. They're six lots. Memory expansion eight P._C._S. lots three thunderbolt ports. Oh look to U._S._B.. In Two U._S._B.. Ports so yeah. We're not just tethered to thunderbolt anymore. There's a lot going on graphics department as well <hes> they included modules supports A._M._d.. Raytheon profile the X. or the radium pro Vega to and can be it can also be configured to add up to two Vega twos all this new you processing card amperage. It's up to three streams AK video or twelve streams of four K. which is pretty intense for all youtuber out there to top off customization. You can even add wheels to the MAC prochell. Shelf or added Portability who's carrying this thing. The base price for this little monster is basically six six large six thousand dollars and that's just for the tower the retina display that they're promoting to go with it is another five five thousand dollars plus the stand for it is another g the stand so apparently you have to sell. I don't know a person to buy this thing. I think the bigger news the rest of us that might not be buying the tower is that they're ditching itunes now. I talked a little bit about this in the newsletter which you should be getting if you're not a put a link in the show notes so you can sign up but anyway I tunes is dead but Catalina Will Support Music Apple T._V. and podcasts which I hope they keep for obvious reasons in terms of all your old music. You'RE NOT GONNA lose it it all literally we'll just switch from the I._T._N.'s Ab over to music. I'm sure they'll be some type of my you know migrating APP that will have to use in getting anything's off your phone and back on computer to bring it over but everything will exist in in music. Yes even the stuff that you ripped and that's you stole now. Let me know what you think about Apple's new tech in the comments okay now now before we take another break. I just wanted to tell you a little bit more about today's Guests Regina L. Sawyer is the owner writer and publisher at Lucca down productions a cutting edge small press comic book company she publishes books such as the rippers Bers I switch eating vampires and the Children's book will of the weeping weeping willow. She's also the coordinator and founder of the women in comics collective international an organization that focuses on a highlighting the merit and craft work of women working in the Comic Book Industry and from that she's created wink con an annual convention the help support women creators in the Comic Book Space. She's also a recovering chef like she used to be a pastry shops. which is why whenever ever in San Diego Comic Con I always go to booth because she's always got like little cakes because cake and she's really good but in the spring regime was named a kickstarter artist in residence and I took a little trip over kickstarter starter offices here in Brooklyn New York to see basically what that means and also I was just nosy? I want to see what's a kick to kick starter offices like so stick around because after this break I'm going to be talking to her about win con kickstarter and what it means to be an artist in resonance you run a hosted website on wordpress or is your site really slow. Have you gotten hacked in the past and just didn't know what to do. Well if so you need site ground now my Amazon background affiliate. I'm also a customer in fact I switched the blur girl dot com over to them and never looked back in fact. I've put other people onto them for two reasons for liability and customer service. You can try it yourself at site ground dot com slash go slash the blur girl. That's dot com slash go slash the blur girl now unlike some other hosting sites that have a really great affiliate program and seemed to be really popular many of them don't have customer service has great customer service. They don't talk like an idiot. If you can't find something to help you work through it. They have a really easy control panel. Inside ground is really the truth. You can start hosting your site today for as low as three ninety five a month you want to store blog anything really and they can even move your whole existing site over four you from another posting service and you don't have to worry about a bunch of code and stuff so if you've been blogging running a website for awhile now it's time to take your site and it security seriously. I've move up to cite ground sign up today at sites ground DOT com. That's S. I.. T. E. G. R. O. U.. N. D. dot com slash the blurred the girl. I feel like I talked to you because I did but also you were just recently on radical Geeks so yeah. It's there's no Margaritas here. Guys are next time we are hanging out in this really cool space as the kickstarter space basically in Williamsburg Brooklyn Yeah and you are a kickstarter residence. Yes I am crater resident so I I know you already. Have I know that you have locked down productions. I know that you have women Comics Collective New York International Wink and you have winked con. Yes is coming up more and talk about all this stuff but I'm very curious as she because if if you guys have seen my instagram you'll have seen like this really cool space that I've got to walk through <hes>. It's more than a co working spaces a theater. There's all kinds of things here that are just literally hidden away in in Brooklyn. How did the whole kickstarter in residence think about how did you how'd you get this Gig? I saw posting on twitter. They were posting for people to apply to the creators and residents program and so I saw it and just on a whim I applied to it and I got it. I got an email saying hey a. You've gotten this one opportunity. You're going to be with US for three months. Yeah that's roughly. I know about that Camilla saying. I don't remember her title but I do know she. She is the contact lead for comics comics. Got It for comics creators. I just know she a wealth of knowledge. If you're trying to kick start a comic and from the inside which is amazing and she was the one that was tweeting it. Oh Wow and she's absolutely amazing. She's also a member women in Comics Collective International Wink and she's been absolutely phenomenal. I think she's been at the job for about a year. Got It yeah. I think when I when I met her was at a wink dinner yet yeah this is all because of you. Here's so what have you what is the artisan resident space being able to do for you. I mean I freelance also like I'm used to working home or cafes or whatever but what makes being in this space it special. It's gotten me to concentrate on myself and my work because I have not been doing that. <hes> in that is part of self care guys you know l.. Concentrate on your projects at a certain point <hes> whenever whenever you can't outside of your other work so being kickstarter has allowed to really buckle down look at the comic that I'm looking to put out in the coming year and seeing how I want the kickstarter campaign a painting go <hes> what words one I wanNa have besides the comic <hes> the process in which that happens <hes> also we do have workshops. They have workshops for us based upon what what are questions are our needs are like fulfillment. How do you fulfil kickstarter? <hes> what are the best ways to do that. <hes> if you do happen to get stretch goals or you get an opportunity to have a stretch goal how how does how does that work. What should you offer what should not offer so it's been a wonderful process and also your with other people who are doing the process with you so you don't feel alone? Get you interesting. I've been really contemplating joining a workspace I do you think that when I am able to focus on just my stuff I'm more productive in a short amount of time so I'm GonNa look into this kickstarter thing should that's amazing and you're right self-care Israel honey. Oh God now. What are some of the projects that you're working right now? While I'm currently working on <hes> volume one of the rippers <hes> and that would be the first three books compiled into one book so I'm working on that and I had a I've been having a huge journey with it because I had files that were locked onto our computer and I couldn't get it all down to the Geek squad to save me and that's about a month so you had an artist issue to your the artists while had to get an artist for eating vampires okay so my first priority is on the rippers volume one and I kinda like chronicled my journey with that so people will see pictures of that probably honking on kickstarter Oh cool my ex of all the aches and pains and the loves the choice love <hes> and struggles room then Lord Willing after that one is is has made its goals and fulfilled. I'll also do eating vampires and just like I said. An artist is working on that book and I think that's being that's really really tremendous and I'm looking forward to that as well but I'm taking this one campaign at a time. What are the benefits of doing one at a time as opposed to hey? I'm GONNA kickstarter like kickstart all three books or something Mahara take it. Oh I can't take Jesus. I mean really I mean for me I want. I just want to have my soul concentration on one product. I don't WanNa be too scattered. I'm already a little bit you nervous as as it is with the with the process like oh goddess my kickstarter my first one and there's so many horror stories and I don't want to be one of those are going to be bad. You'RE GONNA make all of your money in the first three days. I'm predicting this. Yes yes thank you so I really just want to concentrate on one thing and then go to the next but even though I'm saying that I am sort of doing them simultaneously just so that everybody's every time yeah just so that it's a smooth process. It was a smooth it as it can be. I should say I think the biggest thing that I've noticed in kick starters that tend to look when you see people getting dragged all over the place for them <hes> <hes> it's not just not delivering its you have to know your audience and educate your audience as to how the platform works yes because I know there's a lot of people who were like. Oh I didn't get my comic who didn't realize that they had to fill out a survey at the end of the Yes when the comic came do they fill out a survey and then go back and if they didn't they they're they're stuff wouldn't be released. They wouldn't get a comic and I know there's a few comics that miss out on because I was like what email did I use. I remember that I mean I drag nobody but does I've realized that there's a lot of education and I'm just thinking of this. Because I know a few people who've used it who've tried to get family members older family members or or people who are not don't understand crowdfunding at all like. Can I just give you the money. What does this go online survey? You know like sometimes you have to explain it and that's that's the within that I've seen when people don't stay in contact yeah Kate what they're backers and then don't tell them like how they're going to get their products exactly and so I had mentioned about the workshops and one of the workshops that we adwa fulfillment and we talk about what do we do if no one is answering their surveys and we had all this information about okay the percentage of people that do you know what you have to do. In order to get those other numbers to pan now how you follow up and this people will just won't answer you know but there are other ways that that can be done so that people do get their product <hes> some similar my colleagues what they're doing with their kickstarter their comics they'll there're fulfilling them onsite so they're out of convention. That's smart added convention. They'll let you know like hey. I have your books. If you WANNA come pick up. Let me know I have them right here. That's really smart because then you taking the whole we'll email thing out of it exactly exactly saved you want shipping to also wished that have to talk about this. I wish there was another form of communication besides email if there was like hey put your instagram information here. I we just slide and somebody's d._M._Z.. Go Hey come get yourself. I mean those are good suggestion. You know and kickstarter will be is ten years and the are doing new things and they're they're expanding their their brand and I know there'd be interested in all types of feedback so they can grow become better though that's something that they encouraged within the Craig's resume interested in one of these offices trade that if I get one of these offices now <hes> in in terms of the work itself and Wink you've got another convention coming up. We'll win. CON will be a June thirtieth. Okay so you get every month. You got something guys and also we have our second annual drink drawn poll which also also be interesting as still can't get to the poll part but I wanted to up our it'll be fun. It'll be fun and that'll be in June as well and that's the week before the week of of the convention it'll be the it'll probably be June fourteenth that tentative date okay but it more than likely will be June fourteenth and that is a Friday and win. Con is not going to be at elaborate in the bronx anymore. No where where we now okay so we were in Brooklyn last year <hes> having a lot of construction on so we had to move so we'll be at the Queen's museum so you just hitting all I remember Bronx before then it was Brooklyn and now we're going to okay. That's Hilarious so and still that day yes okay and isn't wait. That's what it was. It's the same day as pride yes. I knew there was something about the debt is as we see them. They only have their large events on a Sunday so this is one of the few days that they had available for us and they also have <hes> <hes> <hes> Aladdin Science Fiction Art Exhibit and they wanted to have a commemorating event for that as well so they thought this would be a good marriage so oh not only will be will we be highlighting that exhibition we also will have a pride fest for those who choose to wow shoes to join us and we're going to have a photo shoot under the unisphere and just relax and we will have content <hes> catering to wink pride and I'm looking forward to that as well as our regular programming. So why don't you dropping your kickstarter July probably yeah how did you really isn't thinking no because I'm thinking you're busy. It's funny. The wind caught out of the way I just assumed if it was I would be doing this. July and August is getting close to New York calm. So when would you do your mood you start to kickstart tentatively July first okay a good way advertise. It is at San Diego around that same time we probably will be. We will be having like a wink compost party. Of course you were so so okay so my question is. When do you sleep at night? Ah I do you know I have you. Parse out your day like how do you how do you schedule. Don't even want to know because I also work three regular jobs out so my stuff <hes>. So the way I do it is I really carefully craft my day and I try to make sure that I at least have one day off during the week but you're better than me but you know what I ended up working from home when it happens or here or here <hes> that's how I do it. I also have made plans to beat at the SPA at least once a month. Okay that that I definitely needs to practice once once a month at the very least a spot in the in the city in Manhattan and there's one in Queens where all go. I'm like one day during the month somebody Agassi me. Even hang on see me or queens is going to amy. Let's see so I at least do that but yes. I need a real vacation. I need to be on the beach with a drink in my Dan Wi fi fi no nothing just me for the way but I didn't realize the three jobs on top of it. My goodness okay and is is one of those copywriting. Are you still doing that on the aside occasionally if someone reaches out but I'm teaching graph Rafic novel creation to middle schoolers high school so that yes so it's still in the wheelhouse yeah. It's still in the same creative part of your not like you're teaching like applied sciences something no yeah so. That's what I'm usually what my days are filled with. Wow so you go from those children to the children on Social Media Yeah Ah go on on that for days so how I mean for the person out there who's trying to be you to try to basically have their own convention and right there on comic books and run run their two three fifty seven companies. What do you suggest <hes> get a good support system? Be Around people that really love and care about you. <hes> yes self-care again is a must muss find a spa day fine crocheter knitting do something at least one day out of the week where you can just relax and shall and recharge so you can go back into the world and give <hes> and do which glove if what you're doing really the socks all it does eat away at your spirit. That's that's all it. Does I mean I love what I do so that helps to to to boost me but again anytime to charge and be at peace so I would suggest that you just make time for work and play try to get imbalanced as much as you can okay and where can we get all of these comics or is there a place that we can support you so you don't have to work fifty eleven dabs Patriot on Y'all okay on good my Patriot on www dot com slash I think is Regina el Sawy all you need to memorize the show no since y'all could support and and we were talking talk about this briefly before before we started recording but I'm considering doing Patriot on and what for like a Newbie like me what is what is some advice you would give to somebody who's in this started dipping their toe into this Patriot on world. Just make sure you have some some type of monthly content to send out to your to your patrons. I mean I'm I'm kind of super bad at it. I'm kinda sweet bad. 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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #5 Recap | The Bells

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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #5 Recap | The Bells

"Tonight's game of thrones recap. Sponsored by a friends over at blue diamond almonds. If you're watching game of thrones, you're tired of the same boring snacks. So let me tell you because winter's here so is the perfect snack. It's blue diamond almonds with you're going to work if you're bored at work leaving work these almonds are the perfect snack, Honey roasted almonds, Saracho flavored almonds was savvy and soy sauce flavored almonds. Do. I have your attention. Why keep snacking on boring chips when you could go to the store and pick up blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment blue diamond almond is the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now in eat them. Blue diamond almonds crave. Victoriously? Jeez. Landing is over. But we're just getting started here on the game of thrones post show recap after game of thrones season eight episode number five, and I am live with Stephen fish back after what a night on game of thrones. Ring the bell seeing seeing you is like seeing a white pure horse in the middle of a field of destruction to guide me through this chaos. Rob, I'm I'm Barath. I'm confused. I yeah. I don't know what to say. It's it's a crazy night. I mean, such I mean, so so much happened so many huge momentous events in the in the show, obviously the second to last episode. The death of many of the biggest characters the destruction of one of the central cities. Yeah. That's what I got. That's all I got Seeven. I didn't think we were gonna get it. I didn't think the Dan he was was gonna flip. And I have to say I think this is going to be the thing that we're going to talk about for years to come Danny's turn to the dark side. Yeah. And I know it's been a season that's been rushed. And for the most part, I've defended season number eight of game of thrones. But do you feel like that as someone who studies literature and the paraphrase podcast? Well, was there enough that you saw to justify Dinara ses flip to go fully to the dark side? Fully mad Queen had there been was this earned. No. And that was my big. I love so much about tonight's episode. And I'm really excited to talk about so many of the incredible moments that the gorgeous scenes like the traumatic are dramatic run through the streets. But I. I do think the central problem that this episode had was it was just way way too side. And you know, they were they were they have been sort of hinting at this. Yeah. It was here. I wanna read this. Speaking of the paraphrase podcast onery. This tweet from Jeff Vandermeer who was my first gas in has an incredible author this geo t in tone was more like the grittier take no prison earliest earlier seasons, technically superb, but with the huge blaring of flaming turn of a question, Mark across the sky. Why in the blazes with the drag in Queen do any of that didn't believe it for a second or the run up to it? And I kind of feel like that. Where like yes, yes. They've been hinting at this mad Queen thing. But like there've been a few kind of intense moments from Danny, and they they really needed more time to sort of set up this lunacy. Naidoo think I've seen some people on Twitter who bought it who felt like well, she just snapped. That's how craziness happens, but the mad king was like torturing and burning his own lords. He wasn't destroyed. Throwing the entire city that is like beyond madness where you know, Danny has always been a relatively logistical thinker. You know, she's always been very focused on right like trying to govern marine. She's just like. Destroying this central image that she's coveted for the whole the whole series. Right. And my big question is why don't understand, you know, had this happened at the end of the last episode where we started tonight's episode where Danny is writing drogue on. And just the coming off of what just happened to Masan day. She walks off so get this. She walks away retreats to drag and stone, and then mounts, this return to ultimately do this at at the point that the Lancaster soldiers had already surrendered. That's just the timing seems so odd for her and I say if she wanted to like make a bit of the demonstration. But why did what does she want to rule? Why did all of king's landing need to be burned to the ground? I understand that she wanted to. Okay. Let me just destroy the actual the red keep book assertion is there. Air. Why spend so much time burning the Townfolk of king's landing, right? Or even if it wasn't clear that the city had surrendered. I mean, that's sort of what I was imagining was going to happen was that like this kind of like orgy of destruction was just going to spiral out of hand. But that's not what happened right? The initial invasion was relatively contained. They killed all the soldiers very quickly. Drove on bursts through the walls. The golden company surrendered and there's this tense moment. Search he's looking at the at the bell. Danny's looking at the bell Serse the bell rings Danny's want the city has surrendered. And at that point. There's really nothing. There's no like spiraling mounting lunacy. As was the case with her father, right where? Where he kind of was like his paranoia was like leading him into into into insanity. She's one she's gotten everything she wanted. Yeah. And it was at that point that she decides to after the city had surrendered. It was almost like that. She wanted her pound of flesh for what happened with Masan day. I just don't know if we'll ever get enough justification. I felt like that they tried in the previously on to really sell it in the previously on which I don't think is a great way you wanna work if you are a TV show to really try to sell big plot development by giving us a montage from the previously on where we even heard of the Sarah's talking about dole unleash the dragon. Tar flip a coin with a target area. And sometimes they're crazy. Sometimes they're not this is what the tar Gary ins do. And it's almost like The Danny the various that we followed for seven seasons just alternately tonight. Succumbed to that the fact that she was tar, Gary, and she she can't help it. Yeah. Exactly. And up. I mean, again, like, I know some people feel like this is it's been going in this direction. And I don't disagree with that. But it was just such a huge leap in that in that way forward, and you know, the small amounts. Ten minutes was right. Exactly, the small amounts of tease him and people kind of fretting, you know, she's been a little bit erotic when she was like riding the dragons with John, you know, what else did she really do. She was a little bit upset when Sansa challenged her. You know, her claim to the throne. There hasn't been some spiraling madness or paranoia. She hasn't like lashed out at the people around her. She hasn't. I mean, I mean, she hasn't been nice to Terry. And I think that hurts us all, but it really hasn't felt like it's been billed. And if you want to say well insanity strike any character at any time. And we know that she's a descendant of crazy people you can say that. But then that was that's an excuse. You could use to justify almost any action from any character in any show. Okay. So we don't have to like it. But it happens and denarius has destroyed king's landing and with it, sir. C Lancaster's rain is over, sir. C and Jamie. Ultimately does so many big headlines to talk about from phone? Yeah. But let me just look one week from tonight at the finale does didn't heiress come out of this finale alive. No, no, no, no. I don't think. So at all. I mean, I think we've been saying some people have been saying me. John has got to kill Jin denarius. I mean, we know John has a bad track record of killing the people. He's supposed to kill. So maybe it won't be John. You know, some people have said aria after this, although already if he's a little on the nose after she got think you were saying that last week. We are you can't kill a major. But I record. I do think that she will kill generis because aria was so much of the focus of this episode once she left the when she left the red keep and yes, it was dramatic. But I'm not sure why that she was got seventy percent of the airtime in the final ten minutes of the show unless she is going to play a central role in how this ultimately ends next week. Oh, I'm sure she'll play a central role. I don't necessarily agree that she'll be the one to kill us. I think that would be like just too much. I mean for the reasons you said that she wouldn't kill seriously. I just think it's like she the only one who can kill big bads in this in this world who do it then I John, but that would be something if John could do it. I don't think he can. I think John is going to be the one to do it and John had his moments too, right? Like, certainly when the chaos is spiraling out of control like grey, worm goes off and participates in the in the. Wondering John choices stop at John John stop someone from raping a woman, and ultimately John is like lost in this chaos as well. It is. It was interesting that you're right. There was already I rather than John who became kind of our point of view character wall. She's running through the streets as they're collapsing. And my only thought is that maybe it's just because Arias like most like us. You know, maybe I mean, we're all secret assassins. But she's like the most like she's the one people queue into emotionally, the easiest I think, and so maybe like that's sort of emotional way into the scene of of falling buildings and real chaos and horrible things happening. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. I just think that ultimately aria writing off from this episode. I think that that sets up she's going to have some great significance in the finale of the show. And I wonder if maybe her taking out the Narus could be her last her last big kill. Well. I liked them moment with the hound and her where the hound kind of says to her don't be like me don't. So she's Arias off. It seems like on her final quest to kill like the last name on her list. And she and how the art together and then pushes her away and says don't don't don't come. Because do you want to end up like me? I can't see her being, you know, then going on and being having some big kill after that moment. But she I think that tonight was ultimately a building like what the emotional impact of what didn't areas did was on aria. And I think that if aria is the one to take down to Nares, she's the one that's been the most personally affected by all of this. Because she was there. She met Nora the the Townfolk whose name did yours make that up. Now, I think it was I the close captioning on. So I believe her name was Nora. I missed so much not having the close captions on Ari. I think was the most from the in terms of what we saw the the most personally affected of any of our principal characters by what was happening with the dragon fire raining down. And I wonder if that's going to give her the motivation to be the person to kill deniro's. I usually it'll be some weird character moment now that she like my hope for our is that her character arc is like a turn towards humanity. You know, now she's like come to the precipice with like attempt to kill seriously. And then she like goes back to being a good person essentially, and is not does not have to be the one to kill them there as well. That's that. It'll all be speculation. And we'll get to our feedback show coming up with Josh wig ler mid week at your feedback questions in Geotech post show. Recaps duck. We have talked about, sir. See is dead. Jamie is dead presumably. But I think that we with certainty. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think that's we didn't like see their bodies. But that's. Collapse on ice from. Under house next week. Yeah. I think that's the end of of saying, Jamie. And I have to say I thought it was fantastic. I really thought it was a great moment for the show. What did you think? Rob. I thought that that felt about right for Jamie, and sir seats ultimately die together. It does I do feel like a really invalidate what we had last week with Jamie and Bryanne which everybody really likes, and there was some confusion about why was Jamie going back to king's landing was was he going to go there to go kill surf C, which a lot of people thought. No, that's what I thought pizza wanted to go there and be with certainty, and you know, it kind of gets happy ish ending with at least a poetic. And that is what's seriously likes ending for them to die together. No, jamie. Does not kill, sir. Hersi unless you say that him leading her into. The the dungeons were collapsing. Ultimately, how he killed her? But they die together. So what does that make the Vallon clar prophecy ever part of the show? So it was not set on the show and something that I'm sure the books will play out radically different. And so you'll have to wait for that. Kill waiting for a while. I tell you what I what I did not care for about. The Jamie storyline was why the heck did we need your on gray joy, come back. Yeah. Time and that he he could could need just have been know. You know, just burned alive by the dragon fire. No, he happy of all the gin joints in king's landing. He had to wash up on the same beach that Jamie was coming on and have a fight to the death. Ultimately, he does not kill, Jamie. Jamie kills him. Why why did Jamie have to kill your on? It was so stupid. It really did seem like in movies when you get to the end of the movie, and they're like those two characters are left. So they'll fight you know, like, what do we do about those guys? It made no sense. How they ran into each other. It was total happenstance. Right. Jamie was like taking the back door to get into king's landing because they closed the front door, and you're on happens to be there all the joys and all the world. And you're on his like, let's fight. You know, like there was no nothing more to it than that. And then you're on his like dies with a smile on his face because he's the guy who killed Jamie, Lancaster, never seemed like particularly motivating factor for your great joy until this point. You know, the whole thing was just really weird. And it's like, you're on great joy seems to have mortally wounded, Jamie. And then it's just like hanging out. You know, it's like sitting there watching, and let's Jamie who like sort of get to another sword. I it seems like that you're on really just let him get. They're not the greatest choreographed fight that we've had on game of thrones. It did seem like well. We gotta get rid of this character somehow like who who can kill him, Jamie. He he he has to think the back back door. And then you're on there. It was like they really had to like somehow figure out a way to like have this fight happen. Yeah. Not satisfying. I don't know how you're on code. You know, it's like, I guess it'd be like Yaro stood by drogue on. Yeah. You are might be sort of like the do six mackinaw this week with the iron fleet fighting the other great joy fleet. But we didn't need to get involved with that Varis. We also lost tonight in the opening minutes of the show. And we saw verse writing letter who do you suppose that various writing a letter to? Yeah. I think Robin rubbing Erin. Get him into sweet, Robin. Do you think that he got his letter off? It seemed like he was writing it in the afternoon. And then it was nighttime. He looked like he was still writing the letter. I sense that he was writing lots of letters. You know, he was trying to like get this information out there like spread at foreign wide as as whoever did with the information about Ned stark when he found out about. Exactly. Being the child of incest. Yeah. That's what I was thinking of. I think he was sort of trying to publicize it throughout the realm. Alternately? That is not what I'm does him. However, what does him is him going like literally down to the beach right in front of the castle walls, all of the people on the beach can see him everyone sitting in the castle can see him and he tries to recruit John to the cause of betraying Damaris. And I have got to say, I hated this moment, it was so out of character for various, you know, and I think it is once again testament to how this show does not know how to handle these very subtle manipulative political characters we saw last last season with little finger and how little finger just had told his his plot totally fell apart. Once you had a super smart devious guy. They're just getting completely screwed over and here again like Veras actions here, make no sense. It was like a hasty end to a fantastic character. I really disliked it. I know I can't believe that various is gone. And this was his ultimate undoing. Did you were you? Did you buy it? Did you like it? Like, how are your how did you feel about it? Rob. I was hoping that he would sort of get off with a warning or that he would at least have had a death that meant something. I'm not sure other than him say, hey, I hope I was wrong. I don't know if there is going to be any meaning to heiresses debt. Yeah. Exactly. And he's the guy who's outlived every king who was the right? Who had is. Little what are they little little birds? Yeah. Yeah. And for him to just speed so ham fisted with his last kind of conspiracy, and I would be discussed and again, it's just a question of time. Right. They it's just like that plot point could have been good. But could it couldn't be good in three minutes that they had to allot to it? Yeah. And we got to see John snow once against a he does he does not want the throne and various putting that idea in his head is Jon snow ultimately on the iron throne at the end of next week's episode, Stephen. I mean, rob, you know, a lot of the predictions that we've all made throughout the show have been based on like some conception of the show. We've had in the past. You know, I think going into season six I would say no way John snow on the throne. I still feel that way. But I feel less confident about it. I'm like ninety five percent sure that Jon snow is on the throne. But I would have been like one hundred percent sure just to go just a few episodes ago. What do you think? It's sure seems like it's going that way. I can't imagine the turn of events that gets us anywhere else. After tonight. I mean, yeah, I guess that's the thing. It's like that would be such a terrible end this show. John snow on the iron throne. What a total betrayal of the whole central like. Fire. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's right. So, wow, boy, we are really in the end game. Now. Stephen. Yeah. Is that really true? It's yeah. That's wild. Isn't it? Crazy. I mean, I really wanna know. I just I all I wanna know from DND is what what they what George Martin told him. I want to know like how much I can count as canonical and how much I can just dismiss out of hand. I don't know. I don't think a lot a canal on its canonical. I don't think. So I mean, it doesn't sound like that he really gave them like here's the bible of what is winter lunch with him a couple times. But he must have given that you know, one lunch. That's enough time to give a lot of plot points because. Damaris goes crazy burns king's landing, John that's over like appetizers. You know? Yeah. No. But so what did you think of Tyrian turning on? Various did you did you buy that? Did you like it? I like the moment between teary and in various before barris died, and it does feel as though that maybe denarius is going to maybe take out Tyrian next week. Yeah. Yeah. It really could be. I mean, she gave mean he maybe like the whole she finds out about the boat that was supposed to be to find out about all the boat it specifically that he free minister in while. I really liked the scene between Tyrian and Jamie. And we do have some more poetic Justice of it was Jamie who ultimately worked to get teary and free. So Tyrian could escape the death sentence in season four what did the unsullied guards say when teary in first off when Jamie, Lancaster, walks out? That's what I was thinking doing that. No one report that like where did they even get the cave from like multi-religion says is like I'd like a moment alone with my brother, and they're like absolutely not. And then he's like, listen, I rank you know, one gave him a key as far as we saw. Maybe. This one master key for all those all the chains. You would think that that information would get back to dinner. I mean, maybe that's part of the fact with dinner that she feels like, you know, what all my advisers are all giving me a bad Intel. It's just gonna be me and the unsullied that's it me and the unsullied in the death, Raqi and know screw everybody else. I mean, not not a bad point to deniro this point like she she she could have staged this same invasion of king's landing two seasons ago, basically similar impact, and they wouldn't have the chance to build the scorpions, no score beans three dragons, and it really would have been. I mean. Tyrians whole point the entire time. Was that there's no way to take king's landing without tremendous loss of life. We saw tonight there's actually an easy way to king's landing without tremendous loss life, but they did it until obviously they destroyed decided kings. If we really rewrite these last two seasons of you know, when we get to season seven episode one in instead of all these clever plans to quote, lady Alanna that Tyrian came up with Danny rides for king's landing completely just the golden company doesn't have a chance to be there. It's Lancaster armies. There's nobody, you know, people are not all like hold up in the red key. Yeah. And and she's not crazy to at that point. Right. So she she goes for a very safe victory. She she blows down we drove on apparently can blow up walls. I guess like that's the thing you can do with his fire breath. And so she does he does that. And they take the city, and and it's a happy ending for everybody. And Syrian or is responsible for all the tragedy and horror that came came last night. Yes night, although. John Danny don't necessarily end up together. And then there you still have to deal with the white walkers. Right. But but they can do that with a United force of all of this. Evan kingdoms because he's been been eliminated in a relatively peaceful skirmish at the king's landing. I guess so. We got the clue game bowl. Tonight's even I can't believe that on any other night, the club gain bowl would be our top story. We got the clip gain bowl. What did you think about how it ultimately played out? I was I had a mixed. I had mixed feelings. Obviously. I was delighted that it happened. I thought a lot of the lead up to it was great. I loved I loved Greg or grabbing Khyber n- by the head and just like tie. I felt like actually cavernous death is one of my favorites. Just like totally cast is like smack decide by his creation. Yeah. Yeah. And the the, and then it's a crazy sword fight. We get to see Greg or in all of his like Zomba fide glory, which is really nasty. I thought that like that scene where or the hound says to Greg or you know, that it's you that's who you've always been a great one and e keeps IPE stabbing him with swords. No, don't really do anything. And eventually, they just. This is gals out. And then they just basically pushes Greg or into the fire below and they die together. I think some people felt like there was an unsatisfying ending. I saw on Twitter because there was no Victor. But I liked it. I mean the hound killing himself to kill Greg. Or it was like the only way this could end I some capacity the mountain condi-, those big takeaway, and I wonder Stephen did you feel at all as though that from like a narrative perspective, it didn't amount alternately adjusts become a metaphor for that the hound has based his whole life on revenge and Ryan killing his brother, and it turns out that you cannot satisfy that that gets scratch that each because you want to kill somebody. And it looks as though the mountain can't die. Yeah. Only way to kill. You know, that that blood losses is to destroy yourself. And I think that's that's exactly right. And I think we. We had that way sort of the mountain pushing REO and telling her to go back and not become like him. He knew that. He was not coming back from that. You know, he knew that the only way forward was you know, it was going to be his own death. Because it if the dagger through the eye and the brain did not kill the mountain. I don't know if the fall is going to I thought they were like falling into fire. Like didn't we see like a C fire? Like, maybe he's never a fan of fire. Right. But maybe like burns the mountain alive or dead. I guess it's incinerates him. That was my takeaways amount got incinerated, but you know, the mountain being the only person who survived and ending up on the iron throne would be a pretty compelling ending to this show. It would be wild. Not you know, any a less unimaginable. That if I told you like in season three donaire is going to get the king's landing and destroy it. Yeah. Yeah. I really I mean, it was what an insane turn of events. So did you like the game? Boy, were you happy with it does fine. I mean, I don't know. You know? Hey, this is happening. This is great. But there's just so much else going on that it was kind of overshadowed. I totally agree. Yeah. But, you know, wild wild to get to see it. Is it possible that the Narus ultimately, you know, the breaker of chains? She wants to break the wheel did into near his mind did king's landing have to go because she wants to break the wheel and start again. Yeah. That conversation I really need to rewatch it because I was particularly unsatisfied with that conversation too narrow interior where he basically made that point of like, you know, you're you're the person who frees the slaves and like her counterarguments for not very compelling, and they were like, no the slaves rose up and like cast off their chains. But. I don't remember. I feel like she really had a major assist in the casting off of the change there. Yeah. I guess in marine that these slaves rose up against their masters and didn't Harris would have liked to have seen the townsfolk rise up against, sir. CEO once she showed up with these dragons. But you didn't really have a ton of information. You know, this is ring the bell. They rang the bell. Right. It's you know. You want wanna be in Iowa caucus you to spend a year in Iowa. Right. That's that's right. I totally understand your show up. And then I would have vote for you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Didn't know you a little bit right? Gotta do some politicking hand out leaflets with your face on them. Yeah. Maybe you should didn't heirs have had pamphlets drawn up and then have drogue on drive over Kim. I can read that's part of the problem. Yeah. Well, one of the big the big one of the big growth ARC's tonight. It was that drove on learned how to dodge and weave so he was able to move up. You know, turns out that drove on knows how to do more than just attacking the straight line. He can circle he can rate rise and lower. He can go left to right. Yeah. It seemed like that the killer moved. There was that drove on was going to fly low seems like the scorpions had a hard time to they can shoot up at like a forty five degree angle. But if you come in like parallel to them, they have a hard time aiming at that in general, he seemed to be moving around in a way that they weren't doing the first time. Time where they were just going into this. Now, there was a montage missed. How about was there any thing? More disappointing in terms of hype than the golden company. Oh, man. No. Those those guys sucked. Yeah. I mean, either rank sort of like the Leafs. Impressive armies in the history of game of thrones. I think they're right there with the tyrel forces. Yeah, they just gave up at the I mean tyrel sorts they're gonna behind try. Yeah. If they were elephants there would have been a whole different whole different matter. Yeah. I mean, it was like over before it started for the golden company. Yeah, they they're like their leader. Just immediately sucked. He was immediately killed right? And then the golden they the rest of them just gave up. Within moments within moments. It was very very quickly that he was able to just be dismissed very quickly. I didn't have we been introduced to that guy. I I couldn't remember he looked vaguely familiar Emag. Maybe he showed up in a scene with like, Iran or something like, hey. What's up? Yeah. Oh it stick on Harley. Like, nope. Notes. Not. It's definitely not. That would have been great definitely knows. I'm the fi dick on tire back from the dead. Yes. Okay. Any other main headlines from tonight's episode? I mean, I think that that incredible long scene of are running through the streets was so powerful so incredibly well done just like kind of showing on the street level the terror Orion s yeah, really, it was of it was just I thought it was so incredible and really just powerfully done. And and you know, a lot of people when we were talking about the battle of winner of wonderful. People were defending that a couple of episodes ago, how like dark and smoky it was it was like, well, you're not supposed to see because battle is confusing and smokey and like I actually felt like they accomplish that with with this battle where like the chaos and the and the dirt and the the terror of it, I don't like the jerky nece like was really communicated. I this this kind of nailed that effect in a way that I didn't feel with the previous thought it was similar to John in the battle of the bastards where he's mostly just like being pushed around and like bodies piling up on top of him. He's trying to get out of the wreckage. I just think that the big question coming out of this episode is why aria as the POV character for all that. Yeah. And I really just think it's like, I mean, I hear you like, maybe this is like her motivating thing to take out, Danny? I you convince me last week that she's not going to be like the the one the one superheroes lays everybody. And so I. I like, my only rationale for that is that she's this is just like, she's like the most, you know, she's she's all logistics, so physically small character and to see her like running through the streets, like the the dirt and the blood on her face is just like emotional, whereas with John if he's doing it. He just looks like rugged, and you know, hero ish with oriented. It's just like our hearts all go out to our is how much I mean, I doubt that she's going to have a huge role next week. And I'm sure what she sees. Here is going to be a major motivating factor in her demanding that John kind of assume his rights as king. But, but I just I just can't look at this point anything anything goes at this point. But I just can't imagine that she's going to be the one who kills two narrows. Stephen King denarius be redeemed. I mean, it would be hard in an episode of this sodas a lot on an episode. I don't think so I mean, she could get like a big moment. Like as she's as John is like, killing our it'd be like like the clouds clear from her eyes. And she's like, oops. I'm so sorry. My bad can happen. I don't think. So what do you think rob could John and heiress ride off into the sunset together with with announcement? That is having John's baby. Well, that's what I was gonna say you think that she's pregnant like what's your take on how this is going to unravel. Well, I think that. I mean, maybe that that's why John won't be able to do it. Maybe that's why we need aria to be the person to ultimately take out an heiress, right, right? Because he's in love and it's his kid. So then John will have really accomplished almost nothing throughout the throughout the show. I. I don't know. I really think John s to be the ones that killer. But I could be wrong. Yeah. And if she is pregnant, I do think that if John finds out about it that there's no way that he would not marry her because that he would not want to have his child be a bastard. He knows that he knows. Oh, yeah. What's the what's the tar Garin like a bastard? Name dragon. Is that right? I'm guessing that's pretty cool though. I mean, it's probably based on it. Maybe we'll maybe we'll find out from there. Okay. Stephen what a what a night. I really I can't believe we're here. I know it's been I mean, we've seen now seriously die like, it's wild and Jamie together. I just want to go back. Right. I really love that moment. Just the two of them like holding each other. I thought that was that was great, and like her crazy tear, not critically not crazy and insane sense. But like her intense terror at the moment was so human, and that actress is just amazing. And yeah. Lena heady g think that you think for a second. They were going to get out when I start talking about how that she wants her baby to live. Yeah. I did did you. I thought for a second. I'm trying to think about this. But boy that baby plotline really went nowhere with like the wine drinking and like oh just last week. She didn't drink wine but this week. She did drink wine like, whoa. Something's up with that. Nope. Nothing was up, and especially when we had your own and Jamie, having their confrontation that you would think that the paternity would topic would come up a little bit there. I thought when Tyrian started talking about like, I know you how you're having a baby in front of your on. And he didn't put to into the way. How did this guy? Now. I thought I just found out and Nope, no payoff. Well, in a way like look with with like the wine thing, and like the subtle hints for that. Like, I didn't like that. But I do I did like that. There was no like great reckoning. I do. One of the things that came with Ronan says well as kill its its main character is very suddenly and in a way, that's not particularly resonant. And so I thought that that for them to just be running scared trying to escape and dies. The castle collapses is is very apt. Like there was no great faceoff for them. And then also it is also sort of it is it is a beautiful beautiful image. But a powerful image. Like this this castle that has been their entire identity is like building up their power structure in king's landing literally collapsing on top of them. See how do we get all of the other characters back into the mix next week? Yeah. How Sansa getting back in I'm assuming we get more Sansa. So presumably like, maybe they come. I mean, nobody's coming south to king's landing to Cora for Danny's. Coronation. Gotta happen somewhere else. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how we get the northern characters back in the mix unless we see scenes of them at winter fell getting a raven about what happened. What what do we do? But I like have Santa and bringing their I don't know who necessarily is left for her to communicate with who's in the end game. Like, we know that Danny John and aria and are there. Yeah. I'm assuming Sanchez there who else is a major, obviously. Tearing is there who who else is a major player in next week? I think that we gotta keep our eyes on its John denarius Sansa aria Tyrian, and that's the big five. Yeah. That's that's probably brand is he gonna play a role. So you're gonna close his eyes and flutter over the ravens. How did he not give anybody a heads up that this was coming? She looked so beautiful with the fire. I guess so I mean when when saints maybe it was like has he been talking to Sansa? And maybe that's why she's so skittish about an heiress. Could be. Yeah. Yeah. Never bet against Sansa anymore. Sansa is she does not have a bad read anymore. Yeah. Saints interior ending up together. Still a good. Good call. Okay. We'll see how that goes. All right. Wanna take some of your tweets here tonight? But first, let me thank our sponsor, those our friends over at blue diamond almonds, and if you're watching game of thrones, you're gotta be tired of these same old boring. Snacks. You can't watch an episode of TV like that and have a boring snacks like chips. Let me tell you. Winter's here. So it's the perfect snack blue diamond almonds, whether you're going to work bored at work leaving work. These almonds of the perfect snack Honey roasted flavored almonds. Those ones are my favorite. We've got the Saracho flavored. I'm here tonight. Gone. Drik art. The survey. Sauce flavored almonds to why keep snacking on the boring snacks like chips when you could go to the store and pick a blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment. Blue diamonds is perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them blue diamond almonds. Cray victoriously. Yeah. If you need to take the edge off after the almonds almonds will do that tonight. Okay. Stephen. Let's let's take a look and see if any any it'll listeners joining us here live after all this one to talk about this. I see a question from Celli. Do you think that Danny will end up killing Tyrian? She has to right after the threat. We heard her make she said, hey, screw up one more time Tyrian. Yeah. And he did he did I thought hearing was going to get out alive. But maybe not. I certainly showing. It could Tyrian flip Tyrian had been waiting for the ring the bells she did not go along with his plan. She kills virus could Tyrian jumped ship. It's hearing could be the one to. I mean, he was the one is he's been the most blindly loyal to her for the longest period of time. Right. Could it be a Lancaster? Ultimately, you know, helping out well a sore there any left who's ios lottery in our -tario different. Lancaster? Him and John snow went up to the wall in the beginning of the series. Could he be person? That's a big person John snows corner. Yeah. I definitely I mean, it does seem like next week is everyone everyone that's left very small number of people versus Danny. Yeah. Did you think at all that when Jamie Fallon's found surf that? It was actually REO wearing Jamie's face that never even crossed my mind that you think that I thought that in the back of my mind, I was holding that as a positive that would mean, but that would have been cool. Well, that has been a big fan theory of that. Oh, it will be Jamie that kill surf see. But REO will be wearing his face when that happens, right? No, no in the moment. I never even had that consideration. At all though. I mean, it was so it was so clearly because Jamie appeared to be mortally wounded on his way to search. See I wondered if that right? It could have been aria stumbled across Jamie's body. And then you know, it was going to run into surf. We can get a genius style. Flashback as he kills strange way starts playing Chelsea. What's going on? Okay. All right. Let's see what. Bradley broke on today next week, right? You can't break the wheel of one person still has all the military power. Maybe that's Arias kill could drogue on. That's interesting struggle. Does have to die myrie. That's right. Jump out and kill drunk. That would be so cool like Namibia's wolf pack like actually like just ghost maybe joins in just for a moment. Yeah. The torments. Yeah. They come down. Exactly. Yeah. I guess drove on does have to die. Right. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So that's like a good kill for another cares. Jonzon eras fly off on drogue on like the grease ending. Yeah. That's another. That's another great end for this show. I mean, why not why not? Let's see. Elizabeth on Twitter's. I met a lady at the at a party, and she named her daughter collegiately in two thousand twelve maybe they should have waited to see how things ended. I knew someone who changed her name to colle-. And really, yeah. Yeah. Oops. But I feel like people will you know, if you're going to name your kid after character in game of thrones. Like you're going to own their like what? Yeah. Yeah. She was really crazy. What do you that denarius if we looked at her public approval rating, what do you think is the deniers approval rating at this hour? I mean, low in king's landing I will guarantee you that on on on earth. I think that's a good question. Do you think like people are really anti generally because? Yeah. Well, I think they're coming into tonight. I think she probably had approval rating somewhere hovering around like seventy eighty percent. But completely flatlined. I know her core like thirty eight percent that are still going to not leave her. I mean, she's been the one of the few central protagonists of the show. She's got her court thirty percent. She could she could burn a guy live in the middle of king's landing. People would get off. Still going to be deniers Packers out there. That's for. Sure. I think so. Okay. Let's see rows of Texas thoughts on whether they're not those elephants would have been a game changer. Yeah. Elephants going through the streets, would would've changed everything. You know, the only challenge, of course, would have been would have been drove on which really did seem to be the decisive force issue throughout the you know, it really came down to drug on. Right. That's sort of like everything else was almost a relevant. I mean, yes. Like the ground forces were able to sort of sweep up the golden company after drogue on had destroyed the wall behind them, but I really really seem to come down to drug on. Yeah. And I wonder if that were saying that Ray goal actually was just too stupid. Human writer, and that's why he got killed that Danny is able to pilot drogue on and is able to avoid the scorpions. But a a dragon without a human pilot is the maybe the human has like their head on a swivel. They can sort of see what's coming up on a swivel. Yeah. That's a good point. Stephen Scholtz asks if John kills Danny next week what happens with all The Danny controlled territory in Esso's is a question. Wester of talking about save it for the future offs. No, what's his name? It takes takes control of Dario Dario game of thrones Cullen SS looking forward to that. Yeah. We'll keep keep with the spin offs. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Shelby says do you think that the white horse was brand bringing aria back to the north? That's from Shelby. No, no. I don't think. So. Okay. All right. Steven any other any other thoughts about where we're at right now. No. I mean, what an episode like I was I have to say I was bummed at the beginning. I really didn't like the various debt. I really didn't like how quickly it went from Danny's ambivalence to just hurt total madness. But I mean after after that, I thought just the execution of it was so powerful some of these key deaths. We saw were just really moving. It was brilliant spectacle. Yeah. How is going to be next week? Stephen the issue. To be done or she going to be like, hey, anybody lets you catch that last week. Exactly. That's a good one. I mean, that's a good question. Because it sure seemed that her dad was was really far gone. I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll find out. Do you think that somebody on her council will make that comparison? Like, you know, what's weird? Remember, your dad was going to light king's landing on fire, and he never got to do it. And then you came and did it with that plan. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good. And then we saw the little dragon fire. What was what was that little like dragon fire things going? That there are just little caches fires still left around the city. I thought that that was going to be you know, we were going to things we're going to start like I thought either sir c had placed more dragon fire around the city as another defense or that the like they were like the whole thing was going to blow because there was still enough dragon fire in the city, but just say no looks like a little like a little pot here. And there Paul Papa pope array of dragon fire. But it is presumably that was because of her of her father right who who put it there. And so presumably like this is my thought was like this is the legacy of her father. Right. That's like she like this is like the visual representation, and then going back to Danny's vision from the house of the undying where she walked through the red keep and ultimately the dire enthrone where the roof had been blown off and covered in snow, but our last it is not snow. Of course, we know the cost the night king is dead. And there's no more winter. It is ash. Yeah. Yeah. Real real cheap. There's no one more winter. Yeah. That was bummed. I mean it was snowing last season. Yeah. It was snowing. Nailed king is dead. So winter's over. Okay. Okay. Look, I I'm joking around please. I don't wanna get dragged for this all the things they get dragged on Twitter. I know it's still technically winter. But I don't think that we're going to get any real snow anymore. Yeah. I think you're probably right. It couldn't have the snow budget got Spence. No budget is spent. Okay. Yeah. All right. Steven what a what a night, can you believe next week one week from now, we'll talk about the finale of game of thrones. No, it's insane way. It'll be over. We'll we'll we'll people talk about afterwards. Probably this the finale of survivor. Oh, yeah. And then what message for conversation thing times for pas potty, Steven. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah. I I read Devon's then this tonight. What are what are we? All. Right. So we will be back in one week's time. I will be back with Josh wiggle era. For our game of thrones feedback show coming up. Probably record that on Tuesday of this week depending on how much Josh has to do. And I would bet ES to do a lot after this episode. Of course, you could get all of his coverage when you follow at Ron Howard on Twitter or go to HR dot com slash game of thrones. Of course, follow at Stephen fish back on Twitter as well. I am at rob sister. You know, but if you want to send me negative feedback, of course, the direct line for negative feedback is at pineapple boy twenty seven. Rob one person. We didn't talk about was sorta Vos is he he's going to be there next week. If devils didn't like just setting Charene on fire. Can't imagine. He's going to like all this as a lot of scowls on that scally man, scalp face. Yes. So for John pullback than the north, man. The guys from the north like, hey, why did we do this again? Yeah. We come down here for this. Right. There are a long way from home. It was just to see just to see all that. I know we're riding high off like beating the night king. But boy this elect we go home now. All right. We're going to go home. Now. Thank you guys so much for listening, and we'll be back live for the finale next Sunday night. Everybody have a good one. Bye. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #2: Stormborn

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #2: Stormborn

"Windsor was here. And we're just getting started here on our recap of game of thrones season the seven episode to storm born and now here the two guys who never forget to Brown the butter. I am rob sister. He with Josh wig ler. Josh, how are you? My god. Just eating Brown butter cookies right now. Never forget hot pies. Forget to Brown. The butter like some people do wonderful so season seven of game of thrones. I was already covering the show for the Hollywood reporter at that point. And as we like to do we like to put out the interview requests for anybody who's involved in these episodes? And so we put out the request for hot pie and hop didn't want to do the interview. How didn't wanna do the interview? I didn't really wanna do press. Anybody hop. Bye past the press at this point what? Yeah story. Yeah. This is. I mean, it's not particularly funny. Right. So there's really no there's no punchline pie didn't wanna do it. Hot pies. Representation was like, no, we're not doing any press. Yeah. They're like. Yeah. He's good. He's good. Yeah. I think hot pies like just out there in the world doing his thing. I believe that. I think that hot pie actually became a Baker is Ben hockey in real life. I'm pretty sure that he did like a pop bakery. Hey, did a pop bakery. That was on a delivery app called, you know, nothing. John doe. It's not like steering into the game of thrones thing, you would think he'd want the press. Now, I would've I would've pumped that up completely. Yeah. Game of thrones hot pie act or been hockey opened hickory. Yeah. Yeah. The Browns the butter. Listen, Ben hockey, if you're listening to this or if somebody's listening to this with the connection to Ben hockey, the offer still on the table. Yes. You could you can come onto how reporter and talk about Haapai any day you'd like so please just let me know guests bummer that John Doe has already stopped accepting orders. According to this 2017 article from indie wire. Yeah. I think that that's yeah. It's long since bath any bread that still exists from the, you know, nothing John Doe era. I would assume much like Stephen fish back is moldy. All right. Josh lewin. We've got a lot to talk about here in the second episode of season seven. Yeah. Storm born with that Jag off your on grey joy. Right. I mean, what a jerk this guy. He's gonna come in and really steal the show at the end of the episode oversell it I mean that moment when he lands on the ship is so stupid. It's just stupid. I just think he looks like such a dummy in that moment. Like, I hate this guy. Terrible. Maybe that's what game thrones wants you to feel. Yeah. I just don't like the whole thing was so dark. I'm like, wait. What's happening right now. Yeah. Did intend seen? I mean. That's one of the things about season seven we said this before it's really it's never boring. You know, there's there's always something going on. It is very action packed every episode has some sort of sequence like this. I think that the next episode after this maybe has it's either this. One or episode five. I think have sort of like the weakest of the action scenes, but really for the most part every episode is is loaded with some sort of major moment. So we get the big attack of silence on the gray joy fleet in this episode. Which is cool. You know, it's it's a it's a it's a it's a quick end to the sand snakes at the very least. You gotta feel grateful about that. Yeah. Okay. All right. We open up on dragging stone and little on the nose big storm. Hey donaire. Did you realize that you were born on a night just like this? Yeah. Yeah. I've heard the stories, man. Yeah. Can't can't exactly appreciate the irony. Right now. You know, you're talking about me. I don't find this very funny. It was ten years ago on night, just like this. Yeah. Yeah. On on on this time, large Marjorie. Yeah. So, yeah, it's raining storming and. Danny is there's planning what's going on. She's like, oh, what's? So you telling me the people of west arrose are crying for their true Queen spare me people. Yeah. Come on. Don't tell me about that. You know, I'm not I know that that's not what's going on. And especially because these are like the first words that Varis is really trying to get onto the onto Dinares radar. We haven't really seen a scene of these two characters together yet. And as we'll come to find out across this scene. Deniers is like the biggest various fan bears is really thrown in his lot with somebody. Who's doesn't quite like spiders, much like Antonio Massaro? Tonio is very anti spider. I don't want to trigger Antonio. I'm sure he's cutting right now, he's gonna be happy about this. Yes. You really does dress down various in this scene and and kinda is out of nowhere. But I mean, she brings up a lot of good points a lot of dirty laundry in terms of like, okay. So you worked for my dad. Right. Like, yes. And then you worked for the guy who killed him or was barred of part of taking him down. And you turn that guy. Right. And then you took an order from that guy to kill me before you ever knew me. Right. Like, a why are you here again? Yeah. It's a it's a great scene because it's deniro is really laying out all the things that she is certainly inclined to say to barris. This is a man who tried to have her assassinated. I believe she was pregnant at the time. We're now at the point where the old stuff is completely out the window. Ready? I believe that she was pregnant at the time where she was about to become pregnant. So she has every reason the world to feel really charged angry at various, despite the fact that by all appearances at the moment, he is bullied team targe Aryan, and what's great about is. That is kind of just speaks plainly back to her. You know, he talks about like. Yeah. I worked for king. Robert he was a big improvement on your dad. Your dad was awful. He was he was terrible. And Robert wasn't the worst. He just really wasn't interested in being king. And he talks about how you weren't really on my radar until the call Drogba thing. And then I found out more. I was like, hey, this this this drag Queen. She's she's the real deal and various angle is look, I swear my loyalty to the realm. If you're good for the people, I'm good with you. Yeah. And I think that this is a great pay off to some of the stuff that we've been talking about much earlier long ago in the podcast when we were talking about various, I think in the in the scene in season one when he comes to Ned stark in the prison, and is really giving him plain speak, and at that moment in time as a viewer as a or as a reader as anything, you're experiencing game of thrones. In that moment without the foresight of what's coming here. You really don't know various comes off as very slippery, and very shady, and you you really categorize him similarly to little finger but back then he said the same. Stuff to Nettie says I work for the rump. I'm here for the people. And I think that you in retrospect can really take him at his word certainly the way that he talks the deniro's here is very consistent with how he talked long ago. So it's a good sales pitch. And he says like I know that the people have no better chance than you. That's why choose you and to narrow like, okay, cool that seems like a fair sales pitch. I'm in. If you ever betray me, though, I'm going to burn you alive. Okay. Says I would expect nothing less from the mother of dragons great sites. Right. And really seeing it gives me a lot of hope for a lot of these future interactions that we haven't seen from character. So you're excited to see share the screen together. Like, the deniro embarrassing was one of those scenes or you never really thought about it happening. And then it happened. And it was great. And it makes you excited about like, I don't know Jamie and brand getting a chance to talk to each other and season eight something like that something that you're just not necessarily really even thinking about. Okay. That'd be good reunion. Because. It's going to be good. Yeah. Hey, been ding-dong. There's a knock at the drag indoors somebody's here. It's a red priestess from a shy and it's Mel, Sandra. And she comes in. I love what you've done with the place. Not enough buyers to my liking, but everything else looks cool. Okay. Yes. That she is here to speak with dinners, and she is talking about the prophecy. She's got a lot of prophecy talk. She talks about how the long night is coming and she's speaking in Valerian and influence, and she's saying as it subtitled to us that only the print who was promised can bring the dawn deniro. Who speaks Valerian is not super impressed by that is I'm afraid I'm not a prince, and this is where Masan day and her thousand languages really comes in handy where and you must have somebody who's very confused about the languages in. Thrones. You must have appreciated this where it was. Know the print. It's not quite accurate that now has no gender in Haifa Lee. It could be the prince or Princess who was promised Danny says, okay, I like this. So Mel center says look I think you'll have a role to play here. I don't know what it is. You have a role to play in. I think sodas Johnson this guy. John snow? Have you heard of him melts play very carefully because if she says the wrong thing matchmaker matchmaker? I don't know. There's a Hello. Dolly something or other that's playing in my head right now. But yeah, Mela, Sandra. Is she knows that prophecies are dangerous from experience. So she's trusting that she's had these visions in the flames. John snow was there. Now, she sees that deniro's was there. She doesn't want to interpret the visions because that's where that's where kids get burned at the stake for okay? She's out of the interpretation business. She's just telling you what she sees. And it's up to you to interpret it. Okay. So she's really hyping up. Jon snow, and she talks about how he was Lord commander. And he let the wildly south of the wall to protect them from the great name danger. Danny says sounds like quite the man, you know, I never really made the connection between John and Danny in terms of another commonality between them where I wouldn't say Jon snow really freed the free folk they were always free. But in the same way that Danny was sort of like the breaker of. Chains and freeze all of the slaves. I mean, John kind of has his own army of the unwashed masses that gratitude to him. Yeah. Totally. And I think that a lot of ways his Arkansas seasons five and six really it mirrors dinars time in marine in a lot of ways. They both make really bad. Marine buren. Yeah. Well, that's the song of ice and fire. He's ice. She's fire. And they they go together. Well, yeah. In reality. I do not go together. Well. It's not a great really sort of end each other. But in in in the form of a song. It's quite beautiful. Yeah. Okay. All right. So I've ary. Okay. So let's let's get this John snow over here. He can come here, and he can bend his me. Oh, my. Okay. All right. Steve Johnson a lot there. There's a lot there speaking, Jon snow, we go to winner fell. And he already has a raven from Tyrian. Yeah. Into this is a great indication of how things will be paced throughout season seven and presumably through the final six episodes as well things just happen like that very quick lightning fast. So the narrow is calling for a raven to be sent to John snow in the very next scene. John snow has received the raven was in the Iranian that was sent. Yeah. It was a text message cellphones now. Okay. And so they get the message, and how do we know it's really from Tyrian? And so Jon snow says, oh, it's. It's all dwarves or Bestard's in their father's eyes. Unscrambles the code. He breaks the code. And it says be sure to drink your whole team. Many broke his secret to Kotor ring. What what? My God commercial. Yeah. Barrack done. Dairy shoots. His eye out. Yeah. So we we have John. So he does that this is legit Tyrian because Tyrian has baked in this code, basically all doors are bastards in their father's is which is something that he said to John a long time ago so from season one. Yeah, I've remember that. So I just watched the episode last night. He he knows now that it's durian. So he's trying to gut check. How Tyrian is these days from Santa because Santa was married to the guy. Maybe even still is who does the legality of such things in west rose. Okay. So we have this request to come and for John snow to visit dragon stone Davos is there too. And there's some talk about how. Well, this wasn't so nice when he mentions all of the army's dragons that they have in Davos as dragons drag breath fire fire kills whites. Maybe we team up. Yeah. But Sansa still, but we can't send John to meet, but dinars in Davos like, no. Of course, we can't do that. And John snow in the bag was mine. It's gonna like well. Kind of kind of what seven come on. We gotta keep get this movement. All right. We go to the throne room, the red keep and, sir. See is a meeting with all of the lords of the reach. Yes, she's giving them the real like nativist speech of like, oh my God. They brought on sullied here, and doth rocky these dirty people. These heathens are here in in west rose. You're gonna you're gonna fight for it to narrow. I don't think. So remember, the mad king a disaster. This whole thing's terrible. You gotta fight for me. Yes. So lady A lenna. She's lost. It forget about her to. So, you know, fight for me fight for five for your Queen. Yeah. So they've they've you know, it's a good pitch. I guess if you're into that sort of thing, it seems to work enough for Randall, Charlie though, Jamie coming to him really seems to to tip the scales. Before we get to the scales. Took some dragon scales that Randall trolleys. Yeah. But she's got three dragons and. We're working on that. We're working on something. Hold on later in the episode that will come up later, and it won't do anything to stop the dragons from burning use specifically alive. All right. So Jamie is going to check in with Randall tardy great moment between Jamie and dick on Charlie. Yeah. Dick on Tarpley. If you had forgotten him is the brother of Sam, well, Tara Lee and his now played by a different actor, Tom Hooper is playing dick on Tarpley. Who is the hoop is currently appearing as Luther AK number one aka space boy in Netflix the umbrella academy row, which is my least favorite show to come along in a very well. Let me just let me just throw some armpits shade right in the direction of the umbrella kademi 'cause you know, basically like everything, and I really thought that was just the pits. Yeah. You are rarely berry show. Yeah. Struggle. Oy. It's not good span. All right. But I thought I was Trish. Just get that out of my system. Okay. So Jamie is talking to Randall tar leases. Hey, how would you like to help me run? This army. Randall. I don't know. I mean, it's a lot of work usually. Yeah. But you could be you could take over for the tyrel wouldn't that be cool and Reynolds. Like, nicole. She's like, but I'm cool with lady Elena. Jamie's like, hey, you could be the warden of the south needs. Like, I'm suddenly no longer cool with lady'll lenna, right? Okay. We are going to go back to the citadel. And let's check in with a Giora more mom. We saw his crusty arm at the end of last week's episode. And now, we get to see how much the gray scale has progressed on, sir. Giora it has progressed significantly. It's like all over his chest and his PECS. It's covered him up insensitive spots. It looks it looks bad. It looks grim. Yep. Sam is there with arch Maistre and arch. Maistre does not have good bedside manners. Like, what are we thinking? You should just cut your arm off as soon as touched you, and George like I thought about that. But it was way too late at that point all over my bodice at the point that I thought to cut off the arm. You really shouldn't done that that definitely was the move. Yeah. I guess so although based on the treatment he receives later on the episode. It's like why didn't you just cut that Cudi spot off? Yeah. I mean that actually probably would have just done it. Started out. It was like the size of a penny. And feels like that if you would've just like just like shave that part off, but he needs the ornament the special treatment to robot at the Benjamin gay. Yeah. Okay. So here's the diagnosis. So it'll be good ten twenty years before. It kills you. But six months before you lose your mind Giora. Wow. Great prognosis. Right month is not a lot of time. Right. So not great Sam. But didn't they stop the gray scale of Charene Barath, Ian? And it's like, yeah. Let's not talk about rain. That's still a sore subject. Why today know what happened to her? Now, they gotta know. Yeah. Like Sam is he a baby does he look like baby deal? I guess you baby babies are easier to cure than than adults. When it comes to grey scale key is a full grown, man. He has hair all over his arms that makes it very different. Yeah. Is he's been through a lot spin through a lot. So they say, okay, we'll give you one extra day. You could stay at the citadel for one day because you're a night, it feels like kind of arbitrary thing. Definitely. And also, it definitely seems like he stays for a lot longer than a day. Also feels weird that they let him keep his sword in the quarantine cell. I mean who knows what kind of if he's a risk of going mad, and they can't quite identify when that's going to be like this diagnosis gonna tip them over the edge. And he's just gonna go ballistic. Yeah. It's a weird situation where? Stay in the cell. But you keep your sword. Also. But who's gonna take Valerian sword? I guess nobody wants to touch stricken Giora more money. I don't know who who gets that job. Okay. Speaking of more, months AM. Here's the name more money. It's like, oh, well, I I'm going to have to figure out how to solve this debt to pay to the more. All right. So Khyber n- is going to bring, sir. See in the dungeon. And dragon skulls down there in the done gin. And he says, hey, check this out. We have built a giant slingshot. We'll put this pool cue in here and watch what it can do. Yeah. And so we know that this is going to be trotted out and battle a couple of episodes from now at the famous is I like to call the loot crate battle, even though I know that's not correct. And the things going to take aim at at the dragon, and it's never going to kill the dragon. But it's gonna slightly maim the dragon. But I think more than any. Anything? This is actually a rather clever setup of the night. King is going to to Lance a dragon out of the sky with a very similarly sized object and using nothing more than his night king strength, and I think it's cool to connect these two weapons because the MacIntosh of men Matt matter very little in the face of the white walkers who have an effortless supply of the very same thing. Just a cool little predictive moment here with the with the bow and arrow it is a lot of time spent on a bone there. Yeah. But it is good setup. If only the Lancasters had Noah Syndergaard just throw this javelin, I think he could probably get it up faster than the night. King can probably take. I mean, he can't turn it into an ice dragon. But probably could have taken all three of the dragons if they would've just had Noah Syndergaard throwing those things around house Noah Syndergaard doing now in twenty nineteen versus twenty seventeen when he's filming his game of thrones game you hopefully better. I mean, we're recording in February. So it's kind of a weird time, but you know, but few weeks away from spring training sprees. Yeah. Generally, most of us are probably are better in twenty seventeen. Just as a rule a role. Okay. That's the default. Okay. Let's talk about what's going on at dragging stone where we have a big meeting about what the strategy and nobody's on the same page. Josh. Yeah. And it's like the whole squad is here. Right. Where you've got not just the people we've seen already with teary this sleep. But this is like one of those like like, west coast ventures. It's not like the real deal. It's not like the nothing a listers almost like Great Lakes vendors Yar here, and you've got a Larrea San and like no one no one really wanted these two people teen titans. Yeah. No. I mean, they all look like they're mature beyond their teenage years. The sand, snakes are teen tightness. Everybody's fighting about what we're gonna do that you have people like Yara and a Larrea saying, hey, let's just go kill everybody. We have dragons. Let's do it. Danny does not wanna be Queen of the ashes they have a clever little plan. The Tyrian has worked out. Yeah. They're going to they're going to send the great joy fleet out. And they're going to do the thing that they do best and they're going to they're going to seize the capital. And once they surround the city says he's going to have to submit to bend at the knee. Where exactly was the great joy fleet headed. When at the end of the episode king's landing there headed to keep landing. I thought that it was going to be what they say. Here was that the Dornoch and the high guard in army was going to go to king's landing. I may have mixed up. No, I I. The targe area in Lancaster's or of Tyrians targe Aryan squad. Not exactly the most easy to divine that we're gonna see especially because I was confused because I thought okay. Well, and then Tyrians about in this plan that the unsullied we're going to go and take Castro Iraq. And so I that they would probably need to go on the great joy fleet. But the unsullied aren't all killed in this episode. So I don't really know what the great joys were doing it'll this. They must have boarded they shipped out like some gray joys to fairy the unsullied to Castro, Iraq and interior. In says that Yaar is gonna take Larrea sand to son spirit drop her off there and pick up the door and army and bring them they were just on a mission to go drop off the sand snakes in Dorn. They're going to at least they're going to do. Bourne to pick up more soldiers from during and then they're going to use those people to around king's landing. So this was not like a big step of the plan was thwarted other than just taking out the great joy ships. Do the Dornoch not have their own ships. Do they not have their own way of getting up to king's landing? They need to call. The great joy Uber. I don't know. I don't know. I think they would have ships, right? Dornoch would be able to figure this out. I mean, they're water. The desert the desert. So anyway, so that's the big plan that they that they talk about they're going to Castro Iraq. Yes, they don't want to foreign invaders Kingsland that's gonna play into these hands. So we're going to have the high garden Dohrn ish go to king's landing, and we don't want to freak everybody out when the doth Raqi and the unsullied show up. Yeah. So these lady Leila wants to sidebar with Danny after the meeting. She said, hey, we're going to be really happy that you and I had a face to face because I'm about to die in an episode. And you really definitely want to have at least one scene with me. Yeah. And Danny's, look, I know you don't love me. Just hates her. See? That's fine. That's fine. And Lennon says look. Talking about peace peace. You think that there was ever peace? Stop it. Stop it. Look. This guy. Oh, he's clever, but I've known a lot of clever guys Dulles into them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shiite lived them. All and the reason was because she ignored him. Right. She says the lords of west, rose, or sheep. Are you a sheep? No. You're a dragon. Be dragon. Stop listening to Tyrian. You know, man. I love this. Right. Like, I mean, you love the Queen of thorns. She's always fantastic. These are going to be some of her dying words of wisdom as it turns out because we've only got one episode left with her. So we also love Tyrian, and we we like most of the people that deniers going to consider closest allies moving forward. Is it really for the best for her to nor them all in just like go full tar, Gary and full dragon. Like is the is lady Lennon's final words are they are they going to all be massively impactful for the conclusion of the story. I think it's a very interesting quandary of you know, what the narrative should do. She ends up listening to this cockamamie plan. And it does not go great go. Great to just, you know, flying on the dragon's, Allah a gun and just take the iron throne. Yeah. Well, I think that it speaks to it makes me wonder about where things are gonna wind up for Tyrian. Ultimately, I definitely think that show is not going to make it out of this thing alive. I think that Tyrian you could see the scenario, I guess or maybe he doesn't make it out of fear alive. I feel like he's going to end in is going to be left with like having learned from a lot of people along the way, you know, having taken. A lot of their wisdom into account, but ultimately may be keeping her own council or making an alliance with someone like Santa in the end who's been through a very similar ordeal in her own right in her own arc, and maybe they will be closer confidantes in this final guidance from lady Lennon's like I've known many, great clever men, and it'll be more about these great clever women who can still have each other's back. So I think there's there's options here. But I think that deniro's to go all the way full tar Garin is a scary prospect. So I don't know it'll be interesting to see where they take. But on the other side of things, sir is very willing to be Queen of the ashes. So I think that you know. Whoever is willing to stoop the lowest may have the upper hand. Yeah. Now, I'm very I. I think it's not impossible that this thing ends with services still in the iron throne. You know, that there could be some sort of lesson to be add in that. So who knows we'll see we'll find out. Okay. All right. So we go back to dragon stone. Grey worm and Misawa. They are going to have a lengthy romantic seem. Yeah. I don't know how much time we need to spend on this. We've got we've got a little bit of life to live here tonight as recording this late on a Tuesday. They do it. It's been awhile since it's been a long time coming this scene. Right. You know, there's been a lot of lot of this hard hard to talk about without innuendo. Yeah. Did grey worm learned lords kiss. He must have. Certainly appears that way, but it's very sweet nice to nice to see to young people in love spreading their love for each other. And hopefully as the bloodbath is about to ensue in this final season. Hopefully, these crazy kids can figure it out and get out of this alive. That's the one thing gray gray was never scared. But now he is skits as weakness Masan because he's afraid you're gonna lose her. You are my weakness Massana, like how dare you know, that is an amazing line. And I'm in all try that. Write it down for. Sure. Okay. Are my weakness. It's great. It's a good Valentine a little late for that. Unfortunately, here let's chicken with Sam. And that he is in the library. This is seen that. I remember talking about this the first time around. Talking about there's a history of of Roberts. The death of Robert the first being written. And the title is going to be called. What is it the chronicle of the wars following the death of king? Brought the first. Yeah, I think that game of thrones has a better ring to it person. Yeah. So we'll see if ultimately Sam is going to finish writing this story. Yeah. I know that that's something. That's on the minds of many peop- that Sam while Tara is going to be alive, and he's going to do the Bill bag thing. And he's going to write the book. But. Okay. Sam also gonna be familiar with the book called the study of rare diseases that arch Maistre Pylos from back in the day. You really knew how to write a recipe book for curing gray scale. Yeah. But his recipe was not perfected because he also died of grey scale. Right. So arch is basically saying the same like, hey, don't do that. It's dangerous. It's forbidden don't do it. But Sam these going to do it. He's going to do it. Anyway. Yeah. So SAM's gonna show up in Jawara's room with a cart full of stuff. Not unlike one time, I went to a nice Mexican restaurant, and they made the guac in front of you at the table, and it was very similar to the setup that Sam has your Giora MoMA. The brick and mortar. Yeah. The spicy peppers that. He's baking into the pace to really cause further agony dry. Wheeze of lemon, juice. He could have prepared everything like off site in the kitchen, but he's like he's really wants to roll out the red carpet for joining premium. Right. Like, it's it's not just dinner. It's dinner in a show fancy. Yeah. And then you like I never supposed to tip that guy that makes squad at the table or like a Caesar salad. I guess you're supposed to write. I think that it's I think that the you're hoping is kind of communal, right? That it's going to go to multiple people in the restaurant. That's I like that guy wants a tip probably does. But I don't I don't know. How you get it to them. Right, right. I know. I know I only on me. I don't want guac ever again. Okay. So this I had to turn away. I wasn't gonna watch. This a second time. Josh. Explain this, so gross. It's so gross dams. Like, hey, so Giora you should bite down on this. Because what I'm about to do is take a really tiny knife and very slowly chip off all of the scabs on your body like one square inch scab at a time and like dab at like, the using yellow guacamole looking pus that is coming out of your body, and I'm gonna ply some point -ment on there, and you'll be cured of gray scale, and that'll be it is like, wait. Just going to cut cut this off. And then and then I'll be cured. That's that's really how this cure is going to work. Yeah. Yeah. Simple. So sets three cakes. It. Sam has that great Beaumont worries. Like, I I knew your father. I will died today. City seems to be good enough for Giora the jor keeps like trying to scream through it yams. Like don't scream it's like, maybe give him some painkillers. Well, you gave him the whole bottle of rum. That's not enough. I mean, the hound wasn't going to drink that rum. What they don't have any milk of the poppy here is like the Maistre academy the place. You got imagine the good stuff. Knocking into supply closets in stealing stuff. Anyway. Let's just get the poppy, bro. You would think. So, but okay, so major transition here from like a gross stuff going on with Giora to like gross stuff being eaten by guys in some tavern. It's great though. Right. I mean that that juxtaposition so amazing like Sam like goes back into cut off another piece of scab and the camera just shifts to just looking down at like a pot pie and somebody digging a spoon through the crust. The I know what just happened, and that's terrible. It's gross and never anything. A pot pie is pretty gross to begin with. Really? You're not Popeye guy. You know, they're okay. They're they're okay. But good one. I haven't had one recently. I think it's like insanely bad for you. All they're not good for you. They're great. Potpie is like five thousand calories that sounds about. Right. That makes sense. The great Emily FOX makes a mean roast chicken in even meaner potpie with the leftovers, and I definitely I'm very fat. These days. It's not it's probably related. I would assume. Yeah. I don't know. I think you you look better than ever. I mean been working. So in some ways twenty nineteen me is better than twenty seventeen. But most ways not. Okay. So we aria in hot pie reunion. Yes. And it's great even even how pies not returning my calls, very excited to see. We'll talk to you. You are you did you ever meet the big lady? Yeah. Yeah. Leading nights. He meant the lady night back in the day. Yeah. And then yes, yeah. I saw her and he's like what happened to you. Ari? Bear this missive of hot by this whole time. Yeah. So you have any ale. Was this Sheeran after like aria is never drinking, right? Right. And then she meets Ed Sheeran. And all of a sudden, she's like. Ale. Yeah. It was at Sheeran. Or was it like as she was like doing like recipe tasting and testing in the in the twins. Are you now REO and she was Walter frayed? Listen are throughout this season is really going to demonstrate that she's she's taking a turn. Very dark stuff for our is stark beginning with the early stages of a drinking problem. I don't know. So she is off to go to king's landing. And hot pie gives her the the update on. What's, sir? Did Arias seems to know about that. But what she doesn't know is that stark are back in control of winter fil. Yeah. I thought you'd be going winter fill all your whole family's up. There didn't get that memo. She missed it. But now she knows and she's. She's very excited about this. It completely changes are planned. She's going north. Yeah. Yeah. You'd think that would have been some word about that. When she was down at the twins. Right. That was after the battle the bastards. Now the way that times been flying, right? Gets word travel slow. Yeah. Some of the words anyway. Yeah. But you think like the Lancaster army would heard something about that. Yeah. But time wasn't moving at a season seven pace yet. I think is the problem. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So aria gonna get some money out for hot pie and hop. I says come on. You're not gonna pay. No this like like, my my man Ramos in lunar, silver star story leaves the party. He sets up shop, and he says you come back anytime. I'll get you free stuff anytime you show up in this town, and you always want to save your trips to the item store for when you're in town for Ramos, very similar to what's going on here with aria and artists take. Care of yourself. Hot pie. Try not to get killed. And he said, I won't I'm a survivor. Yeah. And if I recall in his brief stint on on our survivor simulations pie has done. Well. I want to spoil the outcome of those simulates. To spoil it for me. Because I vaguely remember he didn't win that as far as I remember. I think that I think you've got pretty far. Okay. All right. So we go back to winner fell and John is in the map room, and he's looking at everything, and he's got a new era, even and that it is some news. And that he got from Sam this one is a slow raven. This was a whole episode for this one to get here. Sam has sent word about the dragon glass. Dragon stone John announces its all his people. And he says I trust Samatar. We about as much as I trust anyone in the universe. He says it dragging stone has dragged glass and dragon glass can kill white walkers. So we need to go to drag and stone on top of this Email from Sam I also got an Email from Tyrian Lancaster who invited me to dragon stone hand of the Queen now deniro star Garin is there. He wants me to meet with generis. I'm going to say, yes, this is the thing. I'm going to say yes to. There's a lot of like public debate that happens at these meetings. Yeah. Well, let's because John snow is like a very attractive kind leader. But sometimes his his delivery requires some work and everything know don't doing this don't go that evenly on a is like you're the king and the north you belong in the north every single person is against this plan. Yeah. There's not a single person who is who is not on board even Santa's she's thumbs down, especially on yawn. Royce shut up yon Royce will get a vote. He's such a. Negative ned. Yeah. He's terrible. They all have good points where it's like when Starks goes south goes poorly, but little today. No, he's not all dark. So he's got us secret weapon, and it's Garry and good luck. Yeah. Stop yon splaying everything to us yon, Royce. Like, we know you always know better. Okay. We got it. Stupid yon, Royce. Okay. So John's, but a Queen requested me, you can't just say that's not how this works. I need to go out there. But don't worry. I'm leaving you in good hands Sansa. Yeah. Santa urine charge. You got the wheel the north is yours. That's exciting. Exciting. That way that's going to work. That'll put those in charge. It would have been a different story. That was his great. But you can't count the north. Okay. All right. So John is going to go down to the old winter Phil Crips before he leaves, and for some reason little finger decides to go down there and have a very awkward conversation. Well, I mean, I think that the whole final little finger Arcus him just being like completely undone by snark, the you know, and Ned Stark's not alive anymore. And this is going to be the only opportunity that he and John snow will have to share a scene together. So may as well have John snow give little finger the classic old school Ned star treatment that little finger will not be able to respond to. Yeah. But what is little finger thinking that will probably be a theme here for season seven. But he he goes down there to go talk to John and kind of say, hey, good luck. But. There's a lot of other crazy stuff. Yeah. I love Santa really into her. Isn't that weird? It's great and John's like no it was weird. You're right. The first time. Yeah. Yeah. And he basically says that. Yeah. I love Sansa as I loved her mother where. Where? So your mom really didn't like you. Remember that Cowan stark not a fan of John snow. So I guess that kind of makes me your stepdad. Then like what what are you talking about? Yeah. John grabs him by too many fathers already. I don't know which ones the real up talking little finger can't keep it all straight. He can't add little finger as like the third father. It's too much. Yes. So we don't know what we used to a little finger was smart. But this rewatch is being super kind a little finger. He he gambled some things and he was ruthless in many ways. But he underestimated the Starks in the end, and that he might have also just been insane. Yeah. He's probably just a little bit of a lunatic. Guess it's possible that he may have had syphilis of the brain little finger. Wow. His brain has has really degraded later on in the series. Yeah. And there's too much time in the brothel for little finger. No flaying the scabs off of that thing, implying wittment. That's posssibility the resistance syphilis. Yes. Okay. All right. Then let's check into John DeVos. They are heading out. They leave. They're out there leaving them at winter fell. Again this year. I totally forgotten about this next scene, which I really did not care for the first time around. I was reminded of how much I was not a fan of this the aria nightmare Lia reunion. And what's your big issue with this one? Again, just reminding me. Is going north. And she reunites with Nigeria briefly, Mary leaves Arias. That's not you. Yeah. That's that's not you. And from what I recall, that's not you like I remember being super confused at the time. Like, oh, I guess that's not nine area. No, it's I believe if you watch like the inside look at the end of the episode. I think that Benny often no aria is talking in the third person to herself of like. Oh, yeah. That's not. That's that's not you. And I don't even get it. Can you say it's a callback to season one? When stark is meeting with REO and being like, hey, you're going to be a Princess some day like where you're going to be like a lady of winter fell and all this stuff and Arias, but that's not me. And so this is aria saying tonight mirror that nightmare. You can't go back to winter fell with her because Nigeria's wild and going to winter fell is not what nightmare would do that's not nightmare era. And so she's recognizing within I mirror what she recognizes within herself. So by saying, that's not you. She's all g is going to winter fell. Right. But it's not really gonna go great at winter fell. She is very hard time fitting in almost ends with her and Santa like trying to kill each other. And if not for some offscreen shenanigans who knows what direction it was going to go in, and I think in the long scheme. Of game of thrones. I think that are probably won't alternately fit in so well with the culture of winter because I think she'll be dead. But then shouldn't she go to king's landing based on this life lesson that she learns with Nigeria. They're six episodes left of game of thrones. I would not be surprised at all if something like that still happens. And so it's like I think that she has to go home to win fell to fully process. Like, yeah. This isn't for me. Should she run into Nigeria? Again, that was me. Now, I'm good at the nightmare. We don't anymore. Nightmare is huge gigantic. Okay. All right. Let's get to our big action set piece, and but we start off here with the sand snakes, and they're arguing always arguing with each other arguing about who gets to kill whom when they get there. They could talk they can bicker. They can pick her. They could talk. They could talk talk. Talk. Talk bicker bicker bicker. They're all they're getting into like, the mom. Why are they saying that? So annoying. Momma. What is this? Thing sand snakes. The baby from the dinosaurs, not the, mama. Very violent. Also, the baby from the dinosaurs. Yeah, they've got a lot in common. I think if the sand snakes were all played by the baby from dinosaurs, the same storyline would have been better would've made it interesting when the baby sand snake would have been asking Braun who the most beautiful girl in the world is very different different scene. Okay. Then we cut to Yarra and Alaria. And they're having a moment to Yar thrown down, the MAC and Larrea just like picking it write ups, guess what's happening here. And they're both down for this on feels very weird because he's in the room. How do you feel about a late game of thrones? Super flirty Yara. It's great. Great. Great. Yeah. I think it's fun. She's just like I keep it in your pants every person every woman that she meets these last couples every scene with two narrators Alaria like she's out of control a bunch of Heidi's. She can't help. So flirty yard is here with flirty alario like like theon talks about or he's labeled as the protector of Yarra. That's not gonna go. Great. Well is a bad higher. Yeah. All right. So big. We hear the loud noise crash. Yeah. What's that? It's it's it's unclear on. He's here. That's your own choice music. Then he really does make like a WWE entrance where like his stupid Frikkie catapult thing launches on the deck of the ship. And he's like just there like with like a gene Simmons tongue hanging out the greatest captain of the seven seas is hair. So weird. Killing. Everybody slots violence, lots of debt buyer, fire and brimstone bad. Yes. You're saying snakes. Does it kills them? Yeah. It's very dark. It's very hard to follow. What's what's going on here? Yeah. I guess depending on where you are watching it. You must have had some sort of glare on your screen. There was no glare. Okay. It's a great joys fighting gray joys. So I assume that every good great joy every person getting killed was a good, great joy. And every person killing was a bad grade joint essentially that. Yeah. You're on kills both the sand snake sisters in pretty bad fashion. Like, he strangles one with their own rope. He skewers another one with her own spear. I think where at least he leaves them on the on the ship hanging like that nasty. Yeah. So we see who is the sand snake that makes it tying makes two areas. San tying was hired as Larry protector kinda it's worked only temporarily. Okay. All right. So we get to some hand to hand combat of your on versus Yara. And ultimately, you're on is gonna get the best of Yarra and holds a knife to her throat, and he says, hey, wears little theon and see. See on rights and so- theon is not loving this. This is not fun for him. And he ends up going overboard. It's a good character moment for the great joy. I st- I stand by this. I think that this is like the natural move for the guy who spent however many years in Ramsey Bolton's captivity as wreak who is just barely become a human being again in the last couple of seasons for him to abandon ship in this moment when he knows he has no real fighting shot against your on. Also, he is just surrounded by all of these PTSD triggers that are happening. I think it's a very in character moment for theon to jump where that's gonna take him in the future as we know that he's he's still going to have an ax to grind against your on. Great joy by the end of the season. Who knows but like for this moment in time makes a lot of sense at the going to jump ship. He's not a great joy in the traditional sense. Okay. So theon is going to swim. And he sees poor sand snake hanging on the boat. And that's it. He's he's going to be there like rose on the piece of floating cargo at the end of fantastic. I says I said he'll get picked up eventually find the whistle. Yeah. So. So four went out for Larry sand sand snakes too. Well, Larrea sand will see I guess. Riddle seen actually stop. All right. So to two out of three and snake's gone. Yeah. So that's it. That's that's storm born on deck. We've got the first ever meeting between John snow in deniro tar Garin in the queen's justices. What's coming up? Okay. The queen's Justice only five episodes left here and season seven. That's it rather. And then we are reaching the end of our rewatch. And that can only mean one thing we are closing in on the final six episodes of game of thrones. I'm getting my sleep in. Now. That's how it works. Right. Like, I sleep a lot now. So that when those final six episodes are upon us, and I'm not sleeping at all. I will I will have this these these these sleep reserves to to call upon Josh do you feel like the you will be very surprised by anything or do you feel like you feel like that? There is little that will happen. That will surprise. I'll be surprised by stuff for sure I think that there's stuff that will happen. Yeah. That makes sense. But I think that there's a very good chance. I don't want to underestimate game of thrones. That'd be a very stupid thing to do. This is this is a show that surprised us so many times and read wedding a couple of times literally wants and seismic events of similar quality throughout. There's like some. Plot armory stuff that you can probably call for certain characters. But I really do think that you could imagine almost anyone of these main characters living or dying. So. It's a little bit binary in that regard. But I think like the the way in which these characters liver die. I think there's a lot of room for surprise still. Okay. All right. Josh what's happening over on HR. We're still carving forward through the final path. We just posted our final predictions for Sansa stark coming up on this. Next sunday. We are going to be posting our predictions for aria stark. And as I mentioned earlier in this podcast. I think she's going to die which is very upsetting. So I'll sketch that out a little bit of fear. If you're curious to get the details on how and how and why I think that might happen away. I predict it's going to be upsetting very upsetting. Indeed, HR dot com slash game of thrones for all of that and much more. Of course, you can check out our coverage of the Walking Dead just a lease and I have been covering the back half of the back end of season nine, of course, also Jessica and Mike bloom or covering Star Trek discovery all on post show, recaps dot com. So you could subscribe and get it all when you go to post show. Recaps dot com slash I tunes. Josh anything else? No. That's it. All right. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #5: The Door

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #5: The Door

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started on our rewatch of game of thrones the door season six episode five of game of thrones. And now here the two guys who are ready to hold the door open for the final year of game of thrones twenty nineteen I'm rob Cisterna back with Josh Wigley. Josh happy new year. Happy new year. Oh my goodness. I cannot believe it. We are in the final year of game of thrones. After this year twenty nine teen. There will never be anything related to game of thrones ever. Again, we have to savor these next few weeks and months Robert Jess there will be probably no less than seven game of thrones of projects in developing lucky number who won one for each of the seven. I think that the mother the father. The stranger. The krone lady crane all will be involvement at HBO. Oh my God. Please not the lady grain show. No. Yeah. All right. So a lot of stuff to talk about here. Very famous episode of game of thrones today the door and probably the highest high. We've had in season six so far. Yeah. Absolutely. Some time travel getting dipped into my game of thrones over here. What a what a treat, and I remember at the time when this episode aired just being fully mind blown by the Hoed or hold the door reveal which of course, as we've relitigate numerous times on this podcast and everybody else in the game of thrones spaces also covered extensively the books by George. Martin are only through five out of seven entries currently published and in those at some point in one of those final two installments this event that we see here in the door where or becomes. Or and he becomes Hoed or via some brand time travel warning green seeing shenanigans chicanery that's going to happen at some point in the future book. We haven't even read that yet. So for the book reading crowd consistently losing the advantage over the course of these final these last couple of seasons. This was a big win me. I think that this was probably the biggest WAM e up to this point or people who had read the books first before watching the show. Nobody saw this coming except for the story of that one guy who corner Georgia Martin and elevator and said, hey, as or called Hoed or because something happens where he has to hold the door Georgia Martin was like, well, you guessed it. But no one's ever going to believe you, and then it actually happened. Yeah. I mean that also plays actually in-in-in Vader. I think so I think that's the story. I feel like that's the story. I may be a little bit fried at this point and getting that jumbled up, but I believe that that is that's my recollection. Wait, hold the door. Oh is that like how close you are? Someone can correct me. If I'm if I'm wrong in that story. Like, there's a version of the truth is somewhere baked into that story. Okay. All right. So a lot of stuff to get through happy new year to you, and yours Shosh into you, and yours, rob I expect this to be the greatest year of all time. Come on come on your hot streak in jeopardy. That's true. That's true. Let's open things up with Santa. And interestingly the episode the door starts with a. Doc knock knock on the door reaching for the soundboard show. Oh. Maistre Maistre Mike is ears or burning right now? God. Yeah. But the begins the knock knock, and it is a scroll earth Sansa stark Sansa has a visitor in mole's town. She has no idea. How far mole's town is which feels kind of crappy for somebody who is from the north feel like you gotta know your your northern geography a little bit better than the. Yeah. And then Santa's gonna head down to mull sound, do you think she tells John indaba it's like having to go out for a bit. Yeah. Going to most towns down also is like desecrated at this point. Right. I mean, like it's been ransacked already doesn't seem like there's much going on when Santa gets there. She's like this clandestine meeting an abandoned house in moles town. So for her to go to most town feels like a kind of a big deal you'd have to imagine that if she had told John's, no he wouldn't have been thrilled at the prospect. You wouldn't think so I have to think that this is. Under his nose in terms of under his nose right that he doesn't know about if it's under his nose netting behind his back. His back short, then she will give him information later on. And he doesn't say is that what you were learning when you went to mole's town by yourself. Yeah. But if he's upset by that she's going to be able to mitigate the pain by giving him like the sweet sweet stark emblem on his new layers new blanket jacket. He's thrilled about that. All right. So we are very deep into the little finger travel by map era last week. We saw him in or over in the Irie. And now here he comes up to the castle or outside of castle. Black to moles town this week eat so fast little finger is the fastest character on game of thrones. The least Basel thing that happens in game of thrones considering that this canon that he is so fast is that he's not able to just like duck away. From aria stark when he when when she eventually is going to slit his throat like the second that trial begins. He should have just been like the flash and blinked out of the room. Yeah. Little finger is telling Santa he's here to give her aid. What's what's fingers play? Here is is he sincere that he just wants to see the Starks back in the north. You know, we're we're in the we're in the final era of little finger at this point. He's gonna make it through this season. He'll be in all of season seven, but we know where his story, and and so with the benefit of knowing where his story that we can safely say that little fingers kind of in like desperation mode. A lot of a lot of those gambles have not paid off the way that he had hoped and probably by his own admission. He's he's a gambler if you're not willing to lose everything you'll gain nothing in kind of losing everything part of the tailspin here. And I think with with Sansa he he's bring the nights at the Vail up. He knows that. She needs some help. He knows that she's going to try and rally the north and he wants to he wants to do a make good, you know, he wants to make her feel like she can be Queen of the north and be the person who is large and in charge up here with the backing of the veil what he isn't accounting for once again was just how awful Ramsay Bolton was that's what he missed out on the first time. And now Santa is going to catch him up on everything that happened between her and Ramsey and little finger is going to be news to him, and he's really not going to be able to do anything in the charm department. He's not going to be able to talk down from all the pain that she's lived through. Okay. And she tries to describe some of the things that she has been through a little finger does not really want to has too many guesses about what Ramsey did to Sansa. And she brings up a question of like, oh, I thought you the guy that knows everything. No this. This. Psycho. I think we have except with game of thrones gives us at face value with with the finality of where little finger goes in his adventure here on game of thrones. And the answer to that is like as a lot of hype for a little finger for a whole lot of nothing. You know for somebody who's supposed to know everything he didn't know Ramsay Bolton. And at the time, you're like, okay. So how is he going to rebound from that? This feels like a little bit of a character flaw in the in the writing of little finger, this seems inconsistent with everything, but he's also going to get dunked on in the end do. So I think we what's by what the show has trying to sell us here with this line from Sand Lake you suck little finger. You should've known. You didn't. I thought you knew everybody's secrets is screwed up says Ari that I think that's the real little finger. Yeah. He's kind of like the wizard of Oz. Leo. He's all powerful pull back the curtain not a lot there. Do you think that little finger travels around west rose by hot air balloon? That makes sense. You would see the balloon. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's I dunno gave it there on the balloon budget. So. Imply the balloon it'd be they have the budget for just about anything they want at this point. They'd have to add an extra episode comedy it for the balloon. They can do that little finger does have one important piece of information that the black fish has rallied at riverine. I mean important or like we have to fill out some time in some of these episodes coming up. So we gotta do a little bit of a river run story. That's not going to matter at all anyone. Well, we need to know. The river run story is one of those useless story wines in game of thrones. We've just survived Dohrn and we survived car. I don't think river run is as bad as those two. But it's just it's completely useless. There's nothing comes out of it. Well, I think that it's at least it's it's well done in terms of their an important outcome. That happens not really. But I remember enjoying all those scenes. Well, I'm not I'm not so sure that that's true. I'm not just there's nothing. That's is. It's mine. You know, laughably bad. No, exactly. It's totally fine. It is it is middle of the road a river runs. Right. Game at thrones in terms of quality. And it is just like perfectly average. Okay. All right. Let's go back to Bravo's for some more sparring between aria and the waif. Yes. And the way is is kicking Arias button. Doger's? He's not ready. She needs to go home before it's too late. And then the fighting resumes. Once again, are you is trying to to prove our worth in combat, but the way is still just getting the upper hand. Yeah. The wave says you'll never be one of us ladies stark. Wow. There's there's truth to that. Are you Starks gonna gonna aria star? I know there's a lot of sunk cost here for aria in terms of all the time that she's put into becoming one of the faceless men. But a certain point Ari is just got a cut bait here now. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean in through enough. Yeah. She's gonna she's going to you know, she's not really going to graduate. But she's gonna take all of those skills. She learned at the university of black and white and she's going to be able to to roll into the job market and take her face off and put on other faces and still do all the stuff. So she gets to still be our starts. So she kind of gets the best of both worlds. Okay. All right. So aria is with Jack in gar, and they are talking and he's got a new assignment for Arias like a little bit of video game. Like, all right. Here's the next mission. Oh, man. This is like a band or snatch moment where she gets. She gets to choose whether she wants to. King Jack in the malls. Okay. So this mission. Yes. Or at. No, no, okay. So aria is told about a new assignment and the assignment is there's a lady named lady crane. Yes. And she is a performer and you need to go and take her out. Yes. Lady green needs to die. She performs at this theater in shields square. Are has been given a second chance. There are no third chances. This is it. So either way if she if she succeeds and lady crane is is killed then that's a big victory for aria. But of aria strikes out on this one Jack in Gars, basically saying it's you who will die aria. So that or get this one right high stakes high statistic. The euro lady crane aria, okay? Yes. We now go to the performance live in Shilpa square. And it is. A vaudeville version of the game of thrones song of ice and fire. Yeah. The crane of thrones. This this is a fun scene. I don't remember what we thought about it at the time. But this is you know, it's obviously, it's it's very upsetting for aria to watch. And it's a real perversion of history. But I think to kind of relive the glory days of season one in some of season two in this extreme fashion in this story within the story. It's kind of fun. It's a little different from what you normally get on game of thrones. You have to appreciate the craft that was involved in order to bring it to life. I'm sure that there was a lot of rehearsal and in terms of putting this on like an actual play. That's my memory also of speaking with the director of this episode Jack bender who is one of the great legendary producers and directors of wass to show that I am currently rewatching, which shares DNA. This episode the door. I think that's fun. I think it's a good sequence. It's not like a big move the needle type of sequence not even in the sword sense of the word, but I think it's enjoyable enough to to revisit. I don't know what this is. I I really don't. I was watching this. I'm like, what am I watching here with is? There's a ton of fart jokes part humor. Yeah. The Tyrian Lancaster character is just like pulling the woman's top off in this show. Like what what are we doing here for lady crane now? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this to our knowledge is a show invention and not from the morale of Georgia, Mark, right? As far as I as far as I can tell that that is that is indeed the case, I think it's it's here for not only to be like a little playful with the show, but also to reset aria who has seemingly rededicated herself. So deeply to the house of black and white to get her in this place where she is remembering of the pain that was committed against her her family all all of the the horrors of season one and onward. Yeah. And I think it pulls her back away from the mission once again, and it makes a lot of sense as to why Jack and garwood assign her this mission in particular because like either you're going to to measure up, and you're going to be able to kill this person given the story line, and you're not gonna get completely derailed by the personal vendetta or you're gonna fail here. So I like it from that perspective. And in terms of like, the u Tilleke of where this may be going overall. Like is there a greater significance to the lady crane story line is something that we would imagine the answer to that is basically know that like we know the answer to that in the context of this season that she is going to die in the Arias gonna fight the way in Arias going to reclaim herself. And all that. But is there something to be studied? In fact, that lady crane plays, sir. See who are hates and has had on her list. Forever. People. Have wondered will there ever be any kind of confrontation between aria and sir? See in the endgame of the show, and in this version of events Arias able to find sympathy for the woman who portrays sir c Lancaster is there any such sympathy for aria to find in her relationship with the actual Sirsi Lancaster later on down the line. I think when we when we get a final accounting of these storylines. I don't think it's impossible that there will be sympathetic irony that you can mind from the lady crane material in retrospect, it's possible that that could be the thing. But in terms of this being some sort of a test for her where sir sees already somebody. That's on her list. You would think that then? It would be so easy for aria to kill somebody. Who was sir? See as opposed to it being challenge for her to kill somebody in the if this was if lady crane was playing cat cat stark. Right. Maybe it might be a little bit different wish. I can't kill her. That's my mom or that Sansa. I can't I can't do that. But the fact it's already Serfaty like I feel like that would be a slam dunk to kill her. And it is interesting. What you're saying in terms of maybe could she take mercy on the real certainty not trying to rhyme. But I don't really know if we are it doesn't seem to have that takeaway of this is so weird. You play somebody that I hate. But I've really come to admire you as a person like she doesn't. It might be like a cool thing. But Susan's the character really has made that leap the picture that I could see though very easily is some sort of moment where because like what role does aria play in the whitewater war, right? Like as that is building up. I mean, the whole show going to be about that. Or are they're going to be these side stories that are more concerning king's landing more concerning vendetta between the Starks and the Lancasters and could you see aria going to take down, sir? See once and for all, and she gets to that moment where she could strike the killing blow, and she's just so exhausted by everything in her moment of character growth is she's had this band ac- about killing sir for so long. And she just can't do it in the end. And it's kind of like this lady crane thing repeating itself. And in that moment of mercy is that some sort of opening for aria to get got is that some sort of opening for the aria story to close out with this moment of grow. Just before she's code off. I don't know. I don't think that that's impossible to see. I like something like that is is is potential. There's potential for that on the board as we're looking ahead towards the final six episodes. I'm just trying to find. Doing the Lord's work. Little down on season six and I'm trying to find the silver linings weekend. Let's go backstage. Josh. Oh, it's gonna be behind the scenes because that was so interesting. The lady crane show wonder what it's like backstage. And so we get a real glimpse of what it's like to be one of the performers warts and all of game of thrones. She'll the square, and so we go close up on the actor who plays Joffrey. With no pants on. And it turns out that he has to warts on his genitals. Which I get why why are we with with all I know a million Clark says, okay? Well, why don't we have some male nudity? Boo. But why are we getting a close up on a man examining himself for wards? Boy. Leading this while we're learning to protect yourself protection is knock. No, I will not answer the door. I will hold the door there. I have. No, I have no defense of this scene. It's ridiculous. I mean, it's almost like p through the people that were asking for male nudity in game of thrones. Hey, you said you wanted male nudity. Well to be more specific like some sort of like monkeys Paul wish was made. I wish there more nudity male nudity on game of thrones. Like, all right. As you wish. I don't know. It's just showing that like it's a dangerous world in the world of ice and fire. You know, you can't trust anyone. We learn that lady crane is having a relationship with the actor that played Tyrian and lady crane is a rum girl. Yeah. Bob, no is name. I shop at a store. Great clothes. Yeah. She's a run girl. She likes Rum's. She doesn't drink wine and aria is is taking note of that. She now has the path towards how to kill lady crane. Nobody else drinks, the rum wise, all the rum gun. It's because of lady crane, and that's going to be the way to to satisfying, the deed the debt that the house of black and white is looking to collect say one of the thing that bothered me about bars, though, lady crane play the rhyming really annoyed me really did. Because is this earth? Are they these character supposed to be speaking English where what are we doing with this rhyming scheme? I mean, I don't know that I understand the complaint. Like, are you saying that they aren't speaking English? And only sounds like English to our yours. Does what I'm saying? I guess that's just nothing that has ever ever pinned on my radar as anything ever even think about when it comes to game thrones. So definitely didn't bother me at all. Yeah. In Star Wars are they all the characters speaking American English in a galaxy far far away. I mean, I don't know they they are to me as I'm as I'm listening to it. Sometimes the old English has has has shown up. I don't know. I've never this is never a blow your mind. Why is the rhyming such a such a problem with the with the English because they're rhyming English words? Yeah, that's the language that they're speaking in the show all the word. Words just happened. Also rhyme in the language of the game of thrones people, the whatever they talk about the common tongue. Yeah. They've been speaking this the entire show, but they just have to speed you wanna watch a whole show in subtitles. I I'm so blown away by the complaint that I just I truly like I'm trying to engage, but I truly don't understand how this is a problem for you. It is a problem for anyone else. I would love to love to hear from you. And for you to explain to explain to me, do you think the carriage are speaking the same English that you and I speak it. It would seem that way. Yeah. How? What they're talking. That's the language. They're talking. What's going on right now? What is happening? Are you an ice speaking the same language? What's what is this? I just think that characters are speaking whatever tongue. They are speaking in their native universe. But we're just seeing it in English. So we don't have to watch it. And subtitles this is not an issue that has ever once bothered me with this show or any similar like science fiction show or fantasy show Lord of the rings about it. I'm not going to I'm done thinking about it. You're just trying to fry my brain like code or and it's working. Hey, this is a dumb complain. You can add me at. Oh my God. Judge the English judge the glass Dungy English. This Jordan cliffs, Jordan Kalisz. Okay. Are it comes back tells Jack in a gar- lady crank didn't seem so bad? Yes. Yes. She has. She's got questions about like, why are we doing this? Yeah. Dead in Jakobsen. Doesn't matter. Just in my understanding of the faceless men, isn't there like some morality there. There's hitmen for hire. Like, I thought they sort of like they kill bad people. I think that they they don't question. They don't question what the many faced guide wants. And so the many faced God communicates to them the money. That's the language he speaks. So if someone comes with the right price to pay for the faceless men services. I think that they are they are game to play on many face. What to lives? Let's make twenty nineteen the year of Oiseaux. That's fine. That's a big hit at my house. Yes, they do your kids like Oiseaux. They do. Oh, wow. That's great. The my kids very much like things from the Phantom Menace. There are have they seen the Phantom Menace. Yeah. You know? I think that's probably the most kid-friendly of the Star Wars movies to show a kid. Oh, yeah. Easily. Absolutely where thoughts on Jarjur like him. I love him pro jar jar. Yeah. Judger? Yeah. They're not anti anybody. Three like everyone like everybody. Verde like, they like Darth maul Elliott, very cool. They like him even though like were they quite gone fans. Are they upset about that? Take take it or leave it. It's fine. It's fine. Like, Jake, Lloyd. They like everybody. They don't dislike any person. Great. Yeah. So we are going to check in with brand. This is really brands our of television and brand is going to get to see the formation of the night king. Yes. And this was another moment that was a bit of a mind mind boggle for the book reading and show only crowd alike because there has been no explanation for, mommy. Daddy, where do white walkers? Come from. This seems to be the answer to the children of the forest created them. They were people once upon a time. And then they got obsidian in the heart. Nice dose of dragon glass to the chest. And that is going to turn you into a white Walker apparently is the the way of it. And we see that happen here with with this man who turns into the night king, and it's bit of a reveal. That's just kind of airdropped into the middle of this episode. What do we know about this man, we believe this to be the night king? I think there's some theories that he is a stark. But I don't think that we know anything officially about the guy. Yeah. And he is getting a shard of dragon glassy inserted into him, which is going into his heart and turns him into the night king. We see leaf and the children of the forest there and brand wakes up like leaf how could you? Yeah. Yeah. Leave you betrayed me. Yes. And leave tries to justify it. We were at war. We were being slaughtered. Yeah. Cutting down our trees, we had to defend. Ourselves. And thus the white workers were born. Yes. And there's great debate. Is it is it considered murder if it's war who knows? But that's that. That's a dilemma for another day. Josh another time. Yes. Four for leaf here. So what was the idea of we need to kill the people all the humans. So we will then create this thing that will then be able to kill all of the humans. But at some point is it the machine turns year, war, begets, more war. Right. Like, this is the parable here that the one minute ship is just gonna leave everybody destroyed. Mutually assured destruction is what's going on here with the creation of the white walkers, and this attempt to outgun the impossibly powerful, humans that have that have the height advantage at the very least and probably the numbers advantage as well against the children of the forest. They tried to to recapture some power on their own and create the white walkers, and it it grows beyond their control. Now, everybody's in trouble. And the pacifist George are Martin. I think is trying to tell us something here that this is this this way lies destruction for all of us in winter is coming and we must band together in order to stop it from occurring. What are the white walkers a metaphor for nuclear weapons, I think that that works? I think any any kind of. Whatever whatever works for you sky net. Skynet works for me personally. The global warming is a well trod. Well, disgust metaphor within game of thrones. You name it any kind of adversity through just like short sighted thinking, I think is what we're seeing at that. That's what Georgia Martin and the creators of game of thrones seemed to have set their sights on all right onto pike. We're going to spend a lot of time here on the king's moot. A lot of it is is is moot. Man. It's not good. It's not good. It's bad. Okay. We'll you are Yar some of this. All right. So where we kick off the big kings mood who is going to be the leader in the primary for the new leader of pike. And so your steps up. And then there's a guy who was like what a Queen come on and Yarra gives her spiel. And then there's a guy who steps up. It says wait hold on a second. How could we have a woman lead us when bay Lonzo only male heir has returned and everybody looks to theon? It's like, yes. Theon should lead us. That's right. Even though we all hate the guts disrespect him at every single opportunity. Any of us have any had any interaction with him? Yes. That should be our leader. But he says, no he's back. Two full theon. He's like no Yara is the leader. She should lead us numbers. Like, okay. Great. But then, but then yes, you're on one point. Oh, and now we I think we're pretty high on the second time around for your on great joy following reboot. But here's your on in his original incarnation. Lotta robes he's allowed ropes lateral road. Heavy attire big hair weird beard, really mean just showing up and just farting all over the iron islands. And ruining a good thing. This seem could have been nice and short and clean and Yar could have been in charge. But no here comes show, you're on who is a pale imitation of book, you're on to just completely mangle the iron islands, and man is stuff is just well with now feeling I thought has good moment when he's telling everybody to for vote for Yarra. I thought he was like. The music swells. He has a nice moment there. But then here comes your on. And then we have to relitigate this whole thing. And he talks about how he's the one who killed the bay long, grey, joy and sort of calling him out. And he says, you know what? I apologize guys. I should've killed him sooner. Yeah. Yeah. He till he told the owns it. He's like, yeah. I got him. I did it. I'm the killer and he sucked. And I'm I'm I'm here now, and you guys can be friends with me. And everyone's like, oh never thought about it that way. Yeah. Everyone's everyone's into it. Yeah. And very quickly. They are on board with your on. Because he's got a plan of here's what we're gonna do. We're going to build a bunch of ships. And then I'm gonna go take the ships to go find the dragon Queen because she's got armies and three dragons, she's gonna love me. And then I am going to get her into these ships. And then I'm going to hook up with. Her. And then we're gonna take over your UN's really into queen's is what we will come to find out that I hear he is like being like I want to team up with deniro targe area. And that sounds like a fun deal, and that's just not really going to work out from. So he's just going to course. Correct. And go for C Lancaster and season. Seven all about the queen's loves the crown. Yeah. Everybody's on board with this plan and so find so now we got to do the whole drowned. God. Yeah. Meanwhile, while the ceremony is going you think this would take like all of like ten minutes to do. Yarra and the on steal a bunch of ships. Then just get the hell out of there. Yeah. They're just abled. Like everybody is at the ceremony except for the yard crowd. And they're they're able to book it. Yeah. And you're on too late too late to stop them from doing it. So you're on comes to and realizes that fee on and Yarra stole the ships, and he's pissed and he says, okay, let's go murder. My niece nephew. I remember. I said this at the time in any of the podcast, but it's always the touchstone that comes to mind when I watched the scene is when you're on in all of the other iron islanders are just like marching single file rounding that corner to go and look for the on yard just reminds me of mama for tally and her children and the goonies just like storming through the cave. Just such a weird walk. What a weird little thing. That is happening. I agree. I think it's a little. Low budget in terms of like, this is the the cabinet of your on great joy, realizing that they've been had for like all these like, reckless chaotic iron islanders. They really fall in line. Literally, like, it's very impressive feat for them to all be just like uniformly single file, very orderly. Right. Like they have like twenty guys, and they were all at the. Drowning of your on great joy. And then it was like nobody else was on duty that day. Right. Their ships, and then left the keys in the ships. And then the Yarra just show up take them all and then leave them high dry just bail. Yeah. And so you're you're on is telling these people like all, right? So they're gone. They took a lot of ships. But if you can build me thousand ships, I can give you the world doesn't ships is does seem like a lot of ships a lot of ships, especially in like the amount of time that it seems that they build them. Yes. Maybe you're on is also the innovator of some sort of ship assembly line. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's go and check in advice doth rack where Danny is meeting with Giora and Dario following last week's big blaze. And so she's like Giora. I don't know what to do with you. Yeah. I mean, you saved me. And that's. But I also did once tell you that if I ever saw you have to kill you. So I can't kill you kind of have to maybe exile. You can't keep you. I don't really know what to do indoors. Like, you know, what I'll answer to this. I can't go anywhere with you. I'm sick. What no impossible. I've got the thing. I've got the spot. The Cudi spot on my arm, and you can't touch it. It's gross in you'll get sick too. Yeah. And this does end up being kind of convenient for Danny in terms of solving this problem and Giora is, you know, a big mush love you always loved you a love your, Danny? Yeah. And she says no do not walk away from your Queen. I order you to go get healed heal yourself. And so he's he's gonna do that you will do that. And she says when you get better you come find me 'cause you're gonna you're going to be part of the squad. When. Roland seven kingdoms is Danny bluffing here. She's sort of like, well, I know there's no cure for gray scale. So let me just send him out kind of fools errand? But at least he can go out feeling good. Yeah. Dated a little bit of that. But then like on the other hand, it's like, well if he does make it back. That's impressive. He's here for gray scale gods. Take back at that point. Yeah. Okay. So it's a win win for Danny? Yes, it is. And so that that is the last we'll see of Giora until season seven. I believe will be the next time. We see Giora and that will be once. He's getting his scabs picked. Okay. All right. Josh. Let's check in on what Danny's cabinet is thinking in marine right now. Yes. Because they are you know, it's been about two weeks two weeks or so since the packed with the master's have been no killings carried out by the sons of the heartbe only couple of masters have been killed and that was the day of the truce. So it seems like the future so bright and marine that they gotta wear shades. It's a good deal for everybody here and say for spe Tyrian feels like that we have a good story to tell we need to get it out there. Right. They need to craft a press release. Yes. They need to alert the media. What's going on? They need to bring back. Maybe the marine daily press briefing. Yeah. Yeah. They've made me Rian. Great again. Yes. Job guys. Good. Good job guys. But then Tyrian says, no we need a good spokesperson out there. Right. And none of these people are ideal candidates of the people who've been left behind me reinsert Tyrians a great talker as barris, but they're outsiders. Nobody really trusts them grey worm these guy Misawa really not feeling it herself Tyrian has another idea as we've been seeing for quite some time now out here in Esso's, the red priests have been feeling emboldened. They've been out on the streets. They've been talking to the peeps. And so tearing things we need to get we need to get a red priestess out here. Be pushing the word of what's going on here in marine. Yeah. I thought he was going to be going for Masan should be the marine and press spokesperson, I think that would've worked I think that would have been that would have been good Zahn speaks multiple languages. So she literally her job. Yeah. He's a communicator. She's in communication, no communications were shot. That's a line from the Phantom Menace that I'm sure your children guests. Yes. Good LB one. So we're going to bring in a red priests, and she is straight out of Lantis. Yes, can Narva. Yeah. Can Vara rather? I apologize to convert the environment, right? And to me this scene. Josh is interesting. But if memory serves ultimately other than to reset Varis is not down with magic. I kind of feel like that. There is no reason for this. No, I think that that's that's one of the things that is that is that is distressing on the rewatch of season six especially for me is how much of this. And granted we don't we don't know how the show is going to end yet. So there could be utility to a lot of this stuff in the final six episodes. There's only six episodes left to justify lady crane and environs existences. We don't we just don't know. But they're just feels like a lot of the the wheel Spinney material here in in this season that I had either forgotten or was. More tolerant of at the time. I think for the conversing and the matter of setting up once again Varis relationship with magic in which he really does not care for anyone who describes himself as a worshiper of the Lord of light or somebody who believes in the power of lower and can can do all these things giving his own personal history with a source or I feel like we will see in season seven right when when when Mel asandra embarrass meat, and she gives him that showing prophecy that I have to die here in this strange country and soda you. And so we're wondering what does that mean for various in the final stretch of game of thrones? Isn't there some sort of magical reckoning heading towards barris? And if so is that what a scene like this helps to reinforce that. Once we know what the final score is with various the spider will a scene. Like this take on a sharper. Meaning yet to me. It just seems that they just needed like Mel Sandra stand in here. And that's what this scene is about. Yeah. I think that seems that's fair. I think that it's you know, these episodes are an hour long. If not an outright our and they need the material. And so here's a scene with conversa-. Enjoy just eating various is gonna kill Mila, Sandra. No. I don't. Could I could more easily imagine Mela Sandra killing various, maybe? Though, I feel like that various has to get the jump on somebody you who has magic. But there isn't really killer. Right. I mean, like we haven't seen him that way. Certainly he's not opposed to leaf -ality as a tool, but he's not typically the trigger man on anything other than the duties had tied up in his box for years. So when when he does roll up his sleeves it is unconventional things. Like, the idea of watching Varis stab somebody is is a strange idea. I really I really liked the idea of like one of the more politically minded characters having to have a moment where they must reckon with the the magical threat, like the more supernatural threat that has been facing game of thrones all the way down like this is why I was so bummed when little finger died I felt like for little finger to become the victim of the white Walker. Although he is taken down at least in part by magic with brands that's somewhat satisfying. I think for for that to happen to someone like Varis, especially somebody who's history so tied up with magic as it stands room to be taken out by a white Walker and like a moment of slow dread. That he can't negotiate his way out of would be very painful and tragic to watch. But I think might be in character with what he has been all about various the spider verses and ice spider, potentially. Could you see that maybe that can happen? But as you the various needs to come down on victorious against Bajic hasn't he been through enough at the hands of magic that he also to die from magic rob view thought that this had a happy ending, you weren't paying attention. Isn't that a great whole line from the previous game of thrones episode? Yeah, I just feel like I could see various like snatching Nelson, RAs necklace or something like that to reveal her for. She really is. I it's been such a through line on the show of various hates magic virus hates anything with magicians. We got the whole thing about his backstory, we get it reset here again in season six gonna get it again in season seven I just feel like that the ending of his story needs to be various verses magic. And I think that he's just haunted by magic as a life. Well, I think that that that opened it up for me a little bit more of that. Like, I think for for Varis to somehow be undone by magic. But in a way that he has some agency in in a way where he can kind of throw himself into a situation that terrifies him, but he knows us for the good of the realm challenge. Those two ideas that are that are so central with various that everything he does for the good of the realm number one. And he is deathly afraid of magic. If those two ideas can can come into collision with each other and barris can kind of like spring forth into. To that dilemma, and maybe die that way or come out on top either way. I think it would be something that'd be very exciting to see in the final season. I think that for for him to kill Mela, Sandra. I don't know. I think that there's there's other stuff for Mela Sandra to have to deal with chief among them, the aria promise, those two stories after collide again, if if not for him to kill Sandra, then may be for him to like get on board and like recognize like Mel, Sandra. Like, we need you to do something Davos kinda had that moment or ready. So we'll see. We'll see. Okay. I think something like that sense sense. Doable. Yeah. Okay. But his path definitely in this final season. We'll invol- somehow intersect with magic I think it's it's hard to imagine any scenario where that's not the case, given the thrust of it. I think you classify white walkers as as a magical entity, right? So if that's the case, then embarrasses headed into that into that conflict, in some way, shape or form. Yeah. To me. I would say that. I think that the white walkers do not necessarily constitute magic, the dragons are sort of borderline for me. But I feel like that, you know. The, you know, the magic that we've seen him involved in has been sort of the Lord of light side of the story. Right. And so now it's time for for the ice in the equation, right? It's a song of ice and fire. I guess so. Let's check back in speaking of ice and brand he can't sleep brand people think that okay? Well, he's just a mature guy. But he's still like a rambunctious rebellious teenager at this point. And so when the three eyed raven goes to sleep it's time for brand to log into that treat or net. Using his dad's wifi password sneaking he's getting past the parent control settings. And he's he's gonna go. It's kind of hard to know exactly what it is. He's trying to do. It's weird because brand has been really interested in like peeping on his family and his own history. Right and like going back in the past. But here brand is just like going outside. Basically, also, it's daytime outside. It's seems like everybody's just like has agreed on a nap is this naptime at the three eyed ravens cave. I think that maybe he might have been trying to log into say like little fingers brothels circa couple of years ago ended up you know, because then he wasn't there with the three rd raven. I think he got hacked by the night king God. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. He's hacked is gonna be outside the cave. He's gonna find where all the white walkers. Are he's going to be very frightened by. The army of the dead and even more. So by the night king himself, and there's some some contact night kings able to grab ran in this walking vision. That's not magic, rob. I don't know. What is? Yeah. I guess so I guess so thinking also going to be able to cause like an earthquake from a distance later on the Nike the white walkers their magic outright, I guess, I guess so, but I feel like it's not the type of magic that Varis. Really despises. I think magic is magic. I think he's gonna he's not gonna love this type of match. He just. Love it. But I kind of feel like that Mela, Sandra. And the night king is not exactly the same type of thing. The in the Yang. They're the they're the great enemy of the Lord of light. Right. You know? So if he can align himself with the Lord of light and go up against the Lord of lights enemy, then that's that's kind of like killing two magical birds with one stone. Yeah. I guess I just feel that magical creatures and people that practice magic. I would say are kind of different. Magical beings. And then like like wizards and are like doing spells. I think that's what that's really like people doing magic. I think is what barriers really despises. I think he's not going to be thrilled to meet the night kings as in a rise. Nobody is an ignite king will pretty quickly rise to the top of his most hated list if they ever have the chance to cross pats. So we see brand he has been grabbed by the night king. He's got some mom marks on his arm, and he ends up. He wakes up, and he is very quickly. You Lert everybody that. Well, the night king. He saw me. And he touched you. Yes. Well, that's it. Now, he knows you're here. He'll come for you and brands like well, don't worry. We can't give in here. Nope. That's his marks. And now he can get in what nobody told me this three eyed raven with that with that meet chewy dialogue. The time has come blow you to become. Brand asks if he's ready in the thread. Nope, turns them into the three eyed raven all the same. I thought that the three I raven or told brand that he wasn't going to be him. I if I'm brand like you said, I wasn't going to be you. Yeah. I mean, I think that he is like a mobile three I raven. Okay. He he doesn't have to the millennial three eyed raven can be on the move and doesn't have to be plugged into the wall in order to get his power. Josh did the three eyed raven hill this was all going to happen where ever like pretending to be asleep. So brand would go do this. You have to think, right. Like, I mean, if we're gonna see in the next episode brands going to be continuing to have his Neo moment where he's downloading all the information of west rose history and becoming the three eyed raven and he's going to see the wild. Fire explosion from the light of the seven from the season. Finale. So you know, that there is like some version of forward looking that the three eyed raven is capable of. So if that's the case got imagine three Adra solve this coming, right? Like, this is all this is all part of the plan. Like all of this is kind of like faded in a way. Yeah. All right. So John is at the map up at castle black and they're trying to figure out. What are we going to do here? He's got a dilemma we can't defend the north from the walkers and the south from the Boltons. I mean, I'd argue that they probably don't have enough troops for either of those things. Right. Well, that's why they're talking. They're like, we got a rally, some peeps. Gonna get some people on our side. How about the embers? No, the numbers screwed us. They gave Rick on away. We can't trust the embers anymore, but the car Starks it didn't know that they had an option they weren't aware that this was abandoned snatch. Do it could go they go Bolton or stark. They chose Davos is like trust me. You don't have the car stocks. The your brother killed the very important car. Stark. That's not gonna work now going to not going to happen there. A couple of other houses in the north that they want to they want to try and track down. We get a namedrop of the of the more months. We know that lady Liana is on her way very excited about that going to be great. But John doesn't have the stark names, and that's gonna make this whole operation a little difficult and Santa Ana stark, Aiken, vouch for John. He's every bit Ned. Stark son is Ramsey as ruses. So we may have shot here. Yeah. Say it's also provides the information about how hey, and you know, the Blackfish he reformed the Tully army. Right. So we can go, and we can grab the Blackfish in the toys from river run and bring them up north as well, which will turn out to be completely fruitless endeavor. And just a way to get Brian and Jamie in the same scene together again for a little while Santa's going to send Bryanne on his Aaron saying send her to go and summit with the Blackfish. Can't send a raven. Whatever ends up stealing it. Right. Got to send seems concerned with that. But yeah, what what if what's harder to intercept raven or a human. Human moving slower unless your little finger. Yeah. Has got those dogs. Right. I feel the person's probably these thing to intercept. I don't know. Yeah. This Ramsey have guys along all of the raven routes from that go from if you drew a line from castle black to river run does he have a guy. That's like watching that route. Ramsey's got his guys. Good guys. Trust is guys. Because guy. Yeah. Rianne? She doesn't like it just like leaving Sansa loans as a trust any of these guys and that Wilding fellow with the beard doesn't like him. No, not a not a fan of torment. Even torment is a big fan of her. Just bonnie. Brand's gonna is going to go to river run and Santa's gonna hang back with John. Give him a belated Christmas present. Okay. Yes. So we have an exchanging of the gifts Sansa in her down time when she wasn't going to mole's town. She was working on some new threads for and for John. Yeah. She's got got this new new cloak. It's got the the stark signal started swag already fashionable. Yes. And it's for coat for John just like the one that used to wear. Yes. No. It is very on brand. And he is looking more and more like is not a father every day. Yes. Okay. So they're off to go start going door to door rounding up some peeps. And John snow tells Ed that he you know, he's in charge and without wall. Don't knock it down while I'm gone and had says he'll do his best. And apparently his best is not good enough. Yeah. I mean, technically, I mean, it wasn't ED's part of the wall that got knocked down. Right. It's still the wall. You know, he can't be responsible for what's happening at east watch. Right. He's literally responsible for what's happening at east watch. Lord commander of the night's watch. So, but I mean what the job it's a tough job. This is a fool's errand to be to be placed in charge of the night's watch your destined for job tough job. Not not for nothing worth noting that through the point where we are at in game of thrones right now, John snow who has spent the vast majority of his story wine either at the wall or beyond it is gonna leave the wall and not come back. This is the last John snow sees of the Nightwatch through through seven seasons of game of thrones. Okay. All right. And he can't believe that. He's the Lord commander that he gets asked. Should we close the gate Lord commander? And then it's like, what do you mean? Lord commander. Well. Oh, right. I am lowered commander yet. Does the Kate close the blood gate crazy ad? Okay. All right. Let's go for our big Khuda GRA here today. Josh it's a sad though. We have to say goodbye to leaf got him by too summer summer. Three Ida raven and all this his witticisms and Hoad or as well is on his way out the door. Okay. Now Mira is is pumped up. She's like finally we're getting out of here. She's talking about all the different things at her and hold or gonna eat a whole door seems to be in good spirits owners in great spirits, especially because Mira's talking about breakfast. She's literally counting her eggs before they hatch. Yeah. They're gonna have eggs and fried up, and is laughing how much does hold or. No that this is all going to come to an end. I don't think he knows at all. I don't think he knows that. I think that his brain was fried when he was a young boy eg. Yeah. I don't think that like he was like it was because like, yeah. I don't think it's like he knows that on January second twenty nineteen Josh and Robert going to be talking about the day that I die. He doesn't have anything like that. But he had this traumatic moment when he's a kid that links him to that final painful moment. And where that is how that comes to be whether or not he even remembers that beyond the initial ho during I think is up for debate. So I don't think that he knows what's about to happen yet. Okay. It's about to happen all the same. All right. So there's a ruckus going on outside so Mira and leaf go, and they check it out night king and his army is here. It's bad. It's not good. The Nike in the army are here and the Nike is able to like do some plate tectonic power with this. Does he ever do this again not yet? Not yet. You know? Oh, he's his appearances are limited on the show. So we just don't know the extent of his powers. Yeah. So that he can create a faultline crack the ice acsi ice and these able to access the great tree and he and his reckon crew are about to storm forward. And it's time to it's time to get this show on the road. But brand is. No no alarm clock in the world. That's gonna wake this kid up. And then why didn't the night king do this in season seven when like the band of seven is like out there in the middle of the ice for a whole episode because he he used the power. It's like a one time use of away the Mela. Sandra hasn't another shadow baby. These are hard magic spells to form. You can only the one time. Okay. All right. So meanwhile, we're trying to wake up brand. But we can't because he is in the past. And he is watching a young Ned stark with with his father. Yeah, he sees his father. He's seeing things from winter fell. And he's just having all these different moments from that from that courtyard moment in winter fell as Mira and Hoad or trying to do everything in their power to save brand. And stop the violence and stop the situation, but they are. It is it is a fruitless effort on their parts. The whites are just coming in children in the forest or getting killed and there's fire and the fire can't be passed. But they're able to get around the fire because they can like break into the cave through the top of the crave. Caves, there's no none of the plans are are working Alec. Every every line of defense is failing in the face of the night kings approach. Right. We do see Ricard stark neds dad, tell him sending him to go to the veil says look if you have to fight win. So we see Ned learns. Okay. If you have to be in a fight. You can fight dirty. That's okay. Yeah. Ned did not learn that lesson. Yeah. Well, I mean, he did when they were in that fight outside the tower. Joy, he wasn't the one who did the dirty thing. Yeah. Yeah. He should remember as dads. That was okay. All right. So you know stuff is going down. The whites are coming in every which way we need something to happen mirror is screaming brand brand wake up. We need you. Because Khodr starts freaking out in the muscle. Right. He's the tank, and if the tank isn't working there, really boned, and so MIR brand wakeup you gotta walk into hold or we need Hoed or bring them up. And so brand is like kind of loosely hearing this in division where he's in the courtyard at winter fell and three hundred brand you gotta listen to your friends. You gotta listen to what they're saying. You gotta do the thing. And so this is the moment where the three eyed raven must know this was this was the weird thing that happened. Right. This is like you're having a dream and then the alarm is going off. And then now you're hearing the alarm and the dream, right? Exactly. It's incorporating now, except a little more real than that. Yeah. Just a little. Okay. All right. And so the red raven schism this into your friend brandish. Enjoy your friend, Brandon. Yes. And so we are going to see brand ward into Hoed. Or now, if ho our could have just not been freaking out like I don't think that brand does anything as horror that hold. Our couldn't just have done on his own. But he gets scared. He gets scared scared and everything that has been like a really great fighter. It's not because Hoed or has been the great fighters because Brian asshole doors, the great fighter, but he doesn't actually have to fight anybody here. Yeah. But like he's kind of going to have to do a little bit of the fighting. No, there's like an occasional skeleton than is coming his way that he just runs with like he does the same exact job that door. Does all the time of just like get like just run with the thing and get brand out the door. I dunno hold is about to die. I don't wanna bag on owed. Or is. He's about to. He did. Yeah. I know he gets scared. He gets he was he gets spooked. And that's what what brand needed to do. But scares easily. I mean photo or could have just not been spooked. Then then none of this had to happen. Well, it's not enough that the poor guy has to die get shamed. By rob sister. Nino on a podcast that millions of people are listening to what do you think of Leafs thermal detonators of it big van loved the thermal detonator? Yeah. Leaves leaves a bad ass. We could use a little more leaf leave is a bad summer. Also is going to take out a bunch of whites. Also, but go down in the process too too soon for me to be watching a beloved pet die. This is traumatic traumatic for me, not not happy with it. All right. So ho door is getting everybody and getting them out to the back door. And so he is going to hold the back door closed. It is amazing that seems seemingly like thirty or forty whites pushing against just one door. But this is his moment. This is destiny, right? Like this is like he's supposed to play good vibrations and page the boat. Like, this is the thing. This is what he was built for. This is what it all came down to. So he has that superhuman strength is like the parent who can lift the truck to save their child from from certain doom. This is that like superhuman strength that that strikes. You had a moment of great, psychological importance. Yeah. We didn't mention the night. King has also made his way into the where would tree and he ends up taking out the night king who and then bursts into like a million little pieces of the smoke monster, right? All at once that is that the three I raven is gone. Does he live on in some ways, I'm sort of like a force ghost thread, raven? Yeah. I mean like, I think that his s. Johnson his power and all of that is being imbued in brand right now. So when he's saying like leave me, I think what he means is like the physical media corP me, I'm gone, but I remain through you. You are now the three eyed raven we are one. Okay. And so we see in the flashback where whores is go white, and he is being affected in the past by what is happening to him in the present. Yeah. Then it's so upsetting very upsetting. There's a great a great scene. It really is. It was very chilling at the time it still very chilling the young actor who's playing poor Willis is really it's it's so like it's just so unsettling to watch them drop a sack of bricks and just like the way that he's twitching like he's seizing. It's horrifying to watch. This sort of like this Stephen King level. Horror moment, that's happening here on game of thrones executed, very very well for the Knox along the way here then the knock knock jokes as well. Along the way in this recap where there's this the door as an episode of remembered very finally because of this scene. There's there's a lot of filler that gets you to this moment. But this moment really is such a showstopper and it holds up much like the door at holds up perfectly. Well, upon on repeated viewings now mere read and brand are going to run for it. I really don't feel like they get that far away for the the night. King army seems to be able to cover a lot of ground. Yeah. I think he's buying them. Enough time for when when Benjamin is gonna show up though, writing like, I mean, I think that it's just enough for them to get far enough that Benjamin when he shows up with his cold hands is going to be able to to save the day. So without this sacrifice. Just been dead instantly been stead instantly. Okay. So Josh anything else to say in terms of the real time of this before we talk about the implications of this. No, I think it was it was it was a very sad moment in the fandom. This is one of the episodes leaked online before the before it was released initially. I think it was like one of the international HBO's accidentally like posted this on demand early. There's been a couple of snafus like that along the way here in the final push of game of thrones. I believe this episode was one of them. So there there were like I remember that day like people online mimic. Oh crap. Tonight's game roads crazy. So that day at the show came out the game of thrones Twitter. Spear was a minefield is much like what's happening in the show itself. You had detonators. Yes. To dodge whites everywhere, you were going. Okay. All right. Josh. So this happened to the show set this up. What does this mean for our finale are? Final season. You gotta manage the idea that there could be some some, you know, utility to the time travel ability that there is either a whatever happened happened quality to the way that time travel works game. And thrown seems to be the case that Hoed or was always going to turn into hold or in this moment always had to happen. So whatever destiny everybody is barreling toward is just sort of like this faded thing. This is predestined. Right. Exactly. Or, you know, you know, even like the Mon of at the tower of joy Ned stark. Did he always here brand calling out for him? I just feel like. This is just a twist to kind of like give an explanation for why Hoed or is called Hoter. It's a little dinner for me. I think the implications of the fact that brand has the ability to impact things in such a way is is really the big deal. And I think that that's why some people are excited about the prospect that maybe brand could somehow become brand the builder or have some role in bringing the wall up for the first time thousands and thousands of years ago. But in terms of like, how this would come into play to undo the Nike ING, I'm not sure. And then I think that the other answer is you can imagine it like all of these brand, visions, the his ability to go back and look through the pages of the past has already paid off in his knowledge of John snow being the son of radar targe area in Liana stark that it's not impossible that that is gone. To be the extent of this. This angle of brands powers where do you think this is all going to go? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I kind of feel like that. This is set up to be this, you know, a major game changer for the final season. I think we have the origins of Jon snow's birth, but I don't know necessarily how we tie this into this climactic battle, and we've talked about could brand war into a dragon. Certainly that's on the table. But I mean, that's a power that you know, he's had for quite some time. So I don't know if there's another moment that's on the table that we're going to see like, oh my God. I can't believe that that was brand the whole time. Yeah. I it doesn't strike me. Obviously. Anyway, there isn't one thing. That's just like shoots to the top of my mind. Like, oh, that's brand brands fingerprints over that. Like, I can't I can't see that one. And I think that the radar thing. Probably hold ready. Well, there's some moment. Maybe where like bran can go back in time and have a conversation with his father. Okay. So maybe there's something like this where there could be this. This tender moment that brings Ned stark back into the story to some degree where brand uses his abilities to go back in time. He he doesn't resist the temptation this time. He has a full. I'm conversation with his dad his dad, not knowing who brand is maybe certainly he's unrecognizable at this point now that he's seven feet tall. And maybe he's able to glean some sort of paternal advice that doubles as like one of those. I opening your Rica's. Oh my God. This is how we kill the night king type of moment. Like, maybe something that's like sort of emotional resonant like that. But the scenario feels a little high falutin as as it sketched out right there that I just don't know. I don't have a great theory for. For it. And I do think that from the writing perspective, maybe they feel like it's already satisfied with brand. And Sam as the combo platter of dishing up the information that John is severely ATar, Gary, and that might be fulfilling the time travel quality of everything I mean, could it be the brand was the person that wrote the lady crane song? Whole story. It's not impossible. I guess that. Maybe the great playwright brand stark. Yes is cold hands? Next week old hands is next week. Yes, we are moving next week into blood of my blood is rabbit below the hats right episode six of season six of game at thrones. And we are going to spend a heap in amount of time at horn hill horn hail. Yeah, I'm going to get her horn hill on that's going to be cool. You get a cold hands on that's going to be great the stituation with high. Sparrow is going to take a turn escalates escalate. Not with an Escalade, we're going to go to the twins gonna see some some Walder fray going on. And the dragon is gonna show back up. Okay. We are careening towards the end of season six of a breakneck pace. Now we are halfway through season. Six game of thrones. Can you believe it? I can. Again. I can believe it. Okay. All right. So Josh we talked about so many things a surprising amount that we disagreed on them. I mean, I don't wanna go back there. I don't wanna go back. I just don't understand the complaint. Just hopefully, get it. I don't I really don't. I'm so confused by it. We don't need to revisit. We'll it's now it's now out to the world so confused, and then we and then we went right into talking about Star Wars the Phantom Menace to really make sure that we lost the audience. We only agreed then start in short order botched the line. It's not the communications we're short. It's the negotiations. Negotiations were short. There's the line where we've all stole communications. That's what I that's what I was thinking of the two merged together. Like hold the door moment fan perfect. The right right episode for that the hand culpa mea culpa. Okay. Also watching the bin rewatching lost. Rob. Again, this episode directed by Jack bender of lost name and the time travel stuff brings loss to mind. The whatever happened happened at all. And as I was watching the lost season one. Finale. There's a great moment where Hugo Hurley Ray is trying to catch Oshii flight eight fifteen almost late gets right up to the gate as they are shutting the door. And he shouts hold the door. Yeah. That's great. Okay. This goods that good. Good for Hurley. Yeah. All right. It's all I got glare. He is on Twitter. He is at round Howard. He says twenty nineteen best year ever. You can don't add at me. Okay. All right. And I am at Rochester. Nino. We're at pineapple boy twenty seven if you really hated some might takes here today on the content of your jets. We will be back next week. Josh anything else coming up. You wanna talk about? We have a podcast about the haunting of hill. House not Cornhill that is that should be up pusher. Recaps by the time, you're listening to this or will be up very soon. So that's Antonio, Missouri. Talking about that show as we are doing our slow March through many of the shows that we have missed over the past year or so we're going to keep doing a couple of those special podcasts in the in the coming weeks. No real structured timetable for that. We're just gonna keep going because there's lots of shows, and we're we're behind on stuff, and we live in a TV age where it's okay to be behind. You just got to catch up eventually. And so here, we are and be look out for some black mirror, Tom. That's right. Mike bloom and Jessica lease about the mentioned banner, snatched Bander snatch. Yeah. I watch it. I watch it. Did you watch it where did you play? A question question. So be on the lookout for that as well. Coming opposed to recap take a good one. Bye.

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Game of Thrones  Unhand me you Baratheon!

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Game of Thrones Unhand me you Baratheon!

"Hey, welcome back to foia reference. This segment is code your phrase own mine and earthy is out studious man that holds the phrase for this week. So this is a Swedish proverb. Okay. And it goes like this. The Bill is the best advisor. I will take it on the interpretation that the person that you lay within your bed chambers. Public tells you the most truth therefore that way, you get the best advice not enough. Or or can you add to this question? Six. So it means that sleep on a problem and see how you feel in the morning. But in as expecting seductive pillars. Off from your side him ju there's a market fair everything. All right. So let's head on over to the main part of the share guys. Hey, guys, how you going? Welcome to another week of foyer reference podcast will your curse Katie Doty. And this we kind of feels like a problem because I one you'll phrase oh mine last week. And yet this week we're doing. To once child grin, and to one's pleasure. That's what we're covering this week as you guys will or where literally within a week of the last season premiering. So he thought this would be a good time to cover this. Hey, ch- beer phenomenon. That has shaken the world and taken the world by storm about Tom to get you to actually watch it. Yes. That is true. For many years, I've managed to evade I've zigzagged away for. And yes, I have avoided game of thrones for yes. But to be fair, I actually give game of Thoenes not wanna I. And I think a couple of years after it. I actually did watch the first season. And you know, what the sun came up the next day. Did it the clock kept turning my life didn't change by watching game Thoenes in any way? Winter's coming. He that it's the piddle paddle of keyboard? Warriors and game a third enthusiasts out there. Coming to get me. I'm ready made my Vikings. We will die glorious death defending my my views. So yet so here, we are seventy ogerous earners hours later. I just watch game of thrones for the first time and OT Z a second time. That's a lot considering how much you said gave is the best. Twice. I was just waiting for you hang on a second. If we went to draw a vendetta gram of super hardcore game of thrones fans, and people that were nonchalant about it. You would be in the SLA in the twain because I almost guaranteeing people that are obsessed with thirds have definitely watched it more than two times all the way doing up of me actually, waiting for your sudden reading the books granted in finished. But a started up to the fourth book. So this is an iconic episode because that's a deal breaker for me. I wouldn't go. Geeky miss his level have. His. Well, we will definitely go into this series and characters I found intrinsically problematic that you didn't even seem to have a problem with. But the foundations definitely crumble. But before we get to that let me attempt a non fan and even after seventy hours let me attempt to capture essentially what shows Senna's around. Hey did not show. You have seven kingdoms vying for the third a game ferns if you will roll credits done can we now? So you seven kingdoms vying for the third, obviously, there's lots of debauchery, there's lots of betrayal. There's a whole lot of skeeving and little finger Innis goes on own my little finger Innis doesn't sound right. It's on the topic. Is a show about incest. Centrally. So I think I'm doing even. Little ingles. Dubious Ozzy knows. So just goes to show. He was he was quite crafty. He he knew what he was doing to us shoutouts shutout St. little finger because he mentioned before we even got to the maids, let's talk about seven kingdoms. So you've got the veil which was ruled by house, Aaron we really didn't get much of an introduction in regards to John Aaron just the fact that he died a mysterious death. Who was married to LIZA and had that creepy kid, Robin. We also have the land of the river leads for how to leap to Ali human. I'm pretty sure the authentic fans. Call it house Tooley. Just the racist towards. Authentic is the word. So in house to Lee, we have lady Catlin who was married to edit stock. We also have her brother Ed meal who I'm pretty sure was in prison for like two seasons. And everyone forgot about him. And then going to the north we have how stock so we've got obviously at stock. We've also Benjamin who is the brother that everyone wants to have. Sipa solid is a hit a solid of character used very sparingly. And that's exactly what you want. He was reminiscent to me of Rollo in Vikings role in the latest Eason's. Yeah. Come on now. Roles used quite a lot in all episodes up until but in the sound by he was the brother that you wanted to have in the flanks view, the true side by side just as long as you leave your wife far away from him. Everything will be hey, man. His father was a pussy magnet. I'm not sure about engine. Wildly magnet. In the stock family. You've got the iconic children rope. Stark santa. I. The trae one brand Brad. Surely can boring. He was around trees more than he was around the raven and record. The one that doesn't how does exact. So there you got ruling the north where winter was always coming. Like, she's not a horny bitch. She went come for you every time settled down. Right. Shits about to get real. And then over the stolen. We have house Baratheon which gave us a lot of kindle to the fire. You've got rub Raffin who was the king at the time you'll have status breath, Ian, and all of the problematic sort of behaviors that he had and Ren LA rela breath. Ian. Also shower too Charene beautiful Queen of everything Charene, husky one of the most likeable doctors in the show. Right. What are the most likeable and made also very likable considering her origin story if you will surprising? She wasn't full of hate. And she wanted to plot against murdering parents true. She was locked sweet soul and her interactions with said devil. See worth. That in itself. Just warmed my cold cold interaction between. Tyrian and Braun around for their money. Come on. Now. That that's a bit of a tasty morsel. They give it to. Stick around for a few minutes. We also have the Westerlund which is overseen by house Lenin-style previously taken up by the tug Arians. But you've got house Lanta you have Taiwan at the helm. I don't think we ever really saw his wife. She might have been mentioned in passing. But we've got time at the helm. And you've got his children the children that lick each other's children. Jamie that you've also got Tyrian. Motherfucking lancaster. One of the best characters in the show. One of the vets not even one of the best. I'll goes far to say he's the best character in the show. He's the most character development throughout the whole series. I in goal is to say in terms of character development. Fickle as hell. The best character does win the of the show. How more fickle the little finger and then served as children. We have Joffrey Masa and also Thoman. Yeah. I think we'll just keep that. When our let's continue on. And then we've also got overlooking. The rich we have house Tiro. We have my bad bitch undisputed assessing NATO Olinda my girl going now, sipping drinks talking shit around people manner lenna urges to end the time. Hoppy with lava she has many shady moments, and you know, what actually they weren't even shade. She was just blunt if she didn't like you. She would let you there was a same with Jesse was making a slide comment talking about the tot Quaeda phones. And then a letter was like, oh, it's the famous top Queen sec-. She did good comeback. And she's my mother fucker j I forgot the Lovell as so you've got hurt the house. So you're in for a good time. If you're around the Tyrrells all the family of phones, you've also got lady Marjorie, and you've also got, sir. Loris? Yeah. And what about house motel tell us mobile? It has Martell. We've got I think he's a king Daren the one in the wheelchair. Via of how smart. And then we've got Auburn my pedal, PASCAL Lizzy also fucking love saying. The. Because game has been out for fees. I think I saw a semblance of him being. I didn't realize how big of a pie he will play. In this. I any capacity if I can never see this man acting pretty much type 'cause as that sexual playboy, and I'm move it. So whenever I can say bedrose scowl being better scowl, I wo- for it. The puck goals ready. Matiz ready max Radi where ready to go. And then you also auburn's wife and daughters was just one of them is daughter. I dunno. We've got a whole family in the house Martell. So. We've also got the substantial house of tug Aryan, so they don't necessarily have a place in this new old when the series thoughts, but my favorite tug Aryan is Mesa. Ayman? I called it. I called it. I was like he's Gary. And you didn't want say anything the fact that didn't say anything, I got that. Right there. You did it. What enlightened d to the fact they either together in. I think it was more just his faces and the fact that he's blind usually, and they sort of shares very auspicious. So the fact that it was blind. All something must have happened to him. And why is he a wall? But that's pretty much it for the tar guarantee. I really have anything else to say about that family. So let's talk about our initial thoughts of what you. Experienced during the show your feelings about the show. You're just a general overview. Okay. So general overview, I again, I didn't watch the show. I only watch the a couple of years after I in in two thousand and eleven at anything it was that great. And again, my life continued after that. You tracked me because you told me that this was the last season. So I'm like, okay, and obviously offseason. Yeah. But they're also prequels see in choose to keep those treatment. That's in Chapman. And I'll take that all the way to court. Yes. So I watched it because I guess if I want to say, I don't like something and people going to tell me that I'm wrong like you that it is actually a good Scher. I wanna be able to articulate -ly vehemently argue why this show is in that great. And I feel like I can do that now. Because again, I've got seventy hours on the my Bill where I don't know where I'm going to get that. I need a right to maybe OT are modern. I take recourse. And just a side note. South park made a lot of jokes about there being hates of gay sex. In gay didn't think there was a lot of that. No, though, a lot of Dicks swinging about on the show. But if you do on see dick swinging you show what hatred his share of? Just even pretty Dick's you'll say real Dick's trust for your reference for this show. So my thought is that watching this second time, I got to see a lot of things that I thought I'll missed of course, reading the book goes so much more grinding details. Rewatching the shore. Second town are got to appreciate some characters ident- especially like in the foster. Okay. I got to appreciate Tauern Lonnie stir really respect the time when the. I wouldn't go so far to say respect. But I saw where it was coming from those who just being addict to be a dick those of reasoning behind it. And the always looked at the bigger picture. It was always Lon is against the world and everything he tried to do up until then was to maintain that sort of level. And I don't know the foster I'm watching it was like this fucking lobbyist is don't even think Electra Jimmy Lau marching the fast the foster Jamie the second time. Electa system, but I really liked Amy no-one can lock anyone more than Jimmy locks saucy. Hey was certificated. It was like a little puppy but going back to tie when I. Where birth from generation where out parents. Were brought up to place more importance on societal values and the perception of your family over your kids want and desires and the actual center bang, so from that point of view watching Thai when a fucking dick to Tyrian, I wasn't a fan of that. But I also understand that that's kind of the place that he's coming from. And let's not disregard his years in military combat and the fact that he does have wisdom, not just on the battlefield. But also just in being able to rule a people, and that's why I have a lot of qualms with some other characters and gave thrones. Because they actually didn't have any sort of sense of what it meant to actually kill execute. There are militias orders to kill everyone has to execute. An order y'all alita for reason your lead. Just without that. You don't have the grounding of great decisions. So let's just capture off untiring because there is so much that happens engage returns. And we're not looking to do an episode by third play. This is going to be a one podcast sort of Mitch. I said Mitch like an American may sh- my bad. A meat. They. You. Yeah. You got a niche in either scratch. That doesn't sound right at all. We love Americans. We did have some American listen listeners. Shadow Sieg is hopefully you can understand anything. We say. But yeah, Mitch was out to you guys. So let's let's talk about Taiwan because we probably won't be able to get back to him. He had the festival was born into the right family, right? Is a relative word. But if you're talking about prestige and power he was born into the right family. He pretty much took all the steps that a dirtying sons should do as a Lanta stop. He went out. He was a military. He married the right woman. He had all the beautiful kids. And he he ruled for a long time quite well where he was he's the image of like an orgy sort of guy. He doesn't really say I love you. But you know, he'll give you kingdoms, and he'll give you costly rock. Which Jay we kept rejecting. But let's continue with the loudest as luckily Tyrian because Tyrian did is our lane. Let's let's capture off the rest of the loudest as Jamie on Jeremy's a great actor. He goes so far into his development odd reckon he has more character development than Tyrian one. Actually love this come on. Now, I will fight you in these straights because we start off as Jamie, bang tunnel vision, and he was just for him, and the is and the sister, but throughout the episode under his interaction with brand you could see that. He was changing he saw the wall in a different from a different perspective. And he knew that being ruthless and being. As bad as the way, they they've been carrying out the orders or whatever for the past few years. It wasn't the way to go. And we saw that in the last season. But I don't think actually actually splits with saucy. But I don't think that's fair to say because Jamie did have a hot, and he did them and straight that in many ways pushing the hang on at the start of the series. He was known as the king slayer. Right. Oh, his motherfucker bad ass like because even at that time. I didn't know who to stand at the time but later on in the series, and I'm pretty sure it's when he's confiding with brand he talks about that actual day when he did slay the king, and it was actually because the king wanted to kill everyone with that green wildfire wall with wildfire. And that's actually the underlying reason as to why Jamie stopped because even though he didn't really care for the common folk and generally affect him in any way that. Wasn't right. He knew in his heart that that wasn't right. And that was actually before the series started. So you can't tell me that Jamie didn't have a hot at those more internal. He didn't go telling people is reasons, you know, he kept internally like, oh, but he's still made that under rocks. Coming to tours the whole show. He you could see that his diet. He still did that right? And even even going back to Jamie. I guess you could argue he was born into the family. He wasn't born into the right family. But he didn't have that roofless nature of the lionesses. He was more majestic as a lion as a purse to Rufus right this. He wanted to be the king's God, he didn't. I can't it wasn't even interested in having a family have kids probably because he had on the side. But he wasn't someone that was wanted for power. True, sir. As you as you continue to say his journey and the win got his hand cut off. I knew that was going to happen on my Jamie, pull your fucking head in you being addicted like stock some athletes so superior even though you probably are still backed is superior because you're going to get your hand chopped off. Jamie was a joy to watch. I definitely enjoyed say his journey continuing to say his journey unfold. I did love me a little bit of Jamie Brin sort of saying I woke him that. But I also ship bread. And loma. Taumont? I will get swept away in a world of fantasy. If we get into that now. So let's just say that for a second. Let's talk about this and the kids. Saucy saucy is. Ruthless. She's been negative is fucking coward. She's not a college. I wouldn't say she's a coward. She's not a great character. In terms of her executing orders. Did she ever do herself? She doesn't have to do anything. She has the power to command people to do it. Now, not nominee. I should did. She did go through. So she wasn't. She was being tortured and not tortured by she was captured in a room other. Holy sceptre. Yeah. But sharer Eddie Runamuck by then she'd already destroyed lives by that point by you could tell she knew she was going to come back say. Your opinion. But shea love that bitch. Choose the best. Okay. Let's let's talk about society. This. I did not I did not care for her at all thought show's awake woman, even when she was weak. She was weak. All week your wake for not letting me finish my point because you know. Even when she was a kid as she stumbled across a witch the which is like you're going to have three kids. They're all gotta die. Gotta be miserable. What are like as a kid? Wouldn't that? Make you feel all she Anita pull my head clashes. So it's reading let it be done me. I'm not going to change the fate of the world gonna wanna change my fate might as well just leave and enjoy time with Jamie. There's something disgusting about people that want to hurt others and actually get their hands dirty. And that was on forgivable to me, the okay. So she she did a lot of shit throughout the series even early on from the series shows fucking terrible to Sansa. She's terrible to the way she traded Tyrian. It's psych your grown woman. And you're still blame your brother for killing your mother get the fuck over get the fuck on your burner because that's what you've been doing. I'm not a fan. So I was never been of the soci- sort of circle, so whatever, but. I guess the point of nerve return for me is when she killed essentially, everyone in that courthouse just to get rid of the Tyrrell's and also the up to the highest septa that was that was on forgivable to me, and I was not a fan of that. And the fact that Tom killed himself because of that as she didn't feel any sort of most that she might have contributed to that role. Trimmers? There's no remorse. She didn't go and watch her back. She did not. Well, the thing that saw look into blame Tyrian. She kept looking to blame Nahmad was is she tried to control Joffrey Ned stock dying was not out of saucy trying. How do you think he got like that aside? You can't put aside from brothers and sisters getting busy. How do you think you got off to genetic some messed up chains because even we were sitting there? We'll like this is the result of not smacking your kids. Thought again known smocks kids nowadays. So you'd have millions millions and millions of Joffrey. Have you met the world? Well, then it's indicative of what's happening now. Okay. This going come round. This is not going to become some old truest Merita society off. So what do we think about sausage? She had to do to. She had to do whatever she had to have integrate blowing up the car. Hi, sceptre and everyone with ours. Like, they know what those guys almost ruin the show for me. All this religious bull Harker when nothing really happens in those stran- oppress people all in the name of religion. So Sasa getting rid of them are have competence with that. So let's let's talk about the stocks. Yep. How did you feel? So this talks are the north. So you have added stock her, and he's this holier than thou. Kind of personality and all those is virtually that got him kill. It is not that guarding killed by. He probably could have stayed alive if he had compromised his virtually lock what little finger told him take the castle take throw. Now, just do it be on rule over you know, he was too good. A man he was too good. A man led to his downfall. Sure. So his loyal. He kept secret that always Pauling it. Now was it to Ali, welcome. If you've never listened to anyone of our episodes way driven the spoilers, sir. Spoil town population. Katie Artie, and you listening. Beware. We've already spoiled stuff, but beware. So edit takes Leon is kid from how Marge with Rague. Yes. Garin and this kid he passes it off as his own and Caitlyn goes czar inches treats John's no as waters you can like she was really being a bitch to him. Which to some point July. You understand? It's not the kids hold if anything you should be angry at it should be angered at. So there's nothing more to speak on editor in terms of. Well, it's all his scenario him getting killed start up the war in the foster place. But a played as a catalyst of the show. He's roles motor catalyze every action proceed from it other than not just a good guy trying to live life. He were he was and it was very honorable. But if if you had a child that wasn't yours would you pretend that the child was yours because there was for the safety of that child. But the thing is out probably tell you. Wiz. You're on. Upon us supposed to know everything about me. So why would I not tell you? It'll be a secret for both of us to share not me to just hold it by myself. And then you hating my guts for it. Yeah. But I think that's the point because Catlin hated the kid for years. And so let's continue the kids in the stock family. And dials. Can I just say I did cry? If you times through the jurisdiction agape with earned and eighty percent of my crying was a related to the dire wolves dying. I don't know man, you give me a sad dog Villier, and I will be a mess like there are times when teenage to take my third away with me away from me because I just get carried away. And I keep watching sad dog videos, and I'm pretty much incapacitated for the rest of the day. But going back to the stock kids, we've got rob sock. Bodyguard men. He was like he was pretty boring. He'll strategist I had never watched the red wedding. But I knew he was going to die like leading up to whatever the red wedding was going to be it was getting tents, and I'll like I k- things happening talking about the stock family. I think it's about time someone dies, and I think it's gonna be rob. What else does he have to offer? Yeah. He didn't have much too often the factory solid to Mari the lady Ossining. Whatever the hell name was pretty nobody a pretty nobody. When he promised to marry. Filch filchers Dora. Filch the fray fills from Harry Potter with cat crossovers made. There's also an afterlife listened to I've said of afterlife into it. Yeah. Because he did promise. And that was hinging on them being able to cross safely past the bridge. And I didn't like that. Because he was not a man of his word. I don't know what he inherited out of edit stock, but it definitely wasn't on or integrity. The fuck that goal there with his so-called wife now and just throw it in his dollars. That's right. You know, what I did say it just goes to shirt that it doesn't matter if you're poor. If you've got a nice face you can pull yourself out of poverty clearly. Really? Nobody came coming out of nowhere. So I think Rob's had enough time because we're going to give even less time to brand. So. We're going to talk about Rickett. He was an idiot those hours because we're going to talk about African apart from this those arrows kept coming toward him. Right. What did you think too? Like like dodge roll, like roll around zigzag, juice something. Is something be in charge of your destiny. Well, that's what how judge in anything in this tasha's our in even he'll being protected by the wild lane or Scher, and he did nothing. We've wasted enough time just talking about him. Yeah. He did more than brand. Got in call him, Brandon. He was playing for the just brand role. Brown hasn't done much yet. If you're interested in hearing me journal about how much brand for an hour. Let me know we might put that as a Berta. Next to my Daniel Colella appreciation episode. Yeah. But prayer fucking useless. I just just go away. And by the end of your raven houses, he useless. He knows everything. This is one of the worst parts of this series involved brand. When he was like doing his little stall Mayes. And he was what do they call it? What walking wall walking he was walking. And it was trying to infiltrate the night army is he was trying to say whether it was situated. The my Kim comes. Grabs his arm. He gets kid and he wakes up. The trae Manders audits. Like. King. King. I fully got infiltrated into the little tree cave and all those beautiful tree Amazonian ladies had to die because brand was a fucking idiot. Try. I give you that even try. That's a case close on brand where done. Sansa will get less time than I us. Let's talk about center. Sounds or shown as a weakling throughout the whole episode though, the whole most of the season where she just kept on trying to find a house burned of be the sort of Princess and be in the throat and be a Queen. And she was all about Glen Layton in walk for me. She was not eve she didn't understand how things walked, and it took a soul long to realize what the actual Faulk and actually wake up north Anna Sansa, and when she did try and use little finger or little finger was using how one idea with. It's just like come on man, the whole fucking show, you've been useless. Now you going to have little finger play. And then we come out to the end where I think she plays. The little thing actually Toronto. Put some REO s- against each other. The fun thirty actually worked for bit canal men. I think the problem with sense is she was high on as she remained mentally a high born even points of survival, which became problematic to Mason. She got to king's landing, which she was, sir. Happy to king. Lanny she couldn't wait to get the fuck out of winter fell. But what she got to king's landing she sought to dress and have her hair likes us. See when the terribles tyrel Tyrol's sorry when they came. She started to do a hail lady Marjorie like shows fully trying to motor self without even knowing who she was as a person. Her getting married to Ramsey wasn't great. There are a lot of rape scenes in game of thrones more than enjoyable sex. Anes? In the Shire? But yeah, so that wasn't great. And I'm obviously don't want cheering that that happened to censor. But I do wish that she kind of took her destiny by the rains a bit more. She kind of just accepted that again, not the right part. But she kind of just accepted that shitty. Things are going to happen to her when you contrast to IRA she definitely could have done more quote on more and. Always waiting on gallant night to save her just to aid is different for her actually grabs share her. Shower because it's what five or six episodes this time. Yes. Except of there. There will be enough time to cover. So let's talk about the ir, and I think it depended some actors called her aria, and then some actors quarter REO through based on the spelling. Toria? It depends where you come from. She's a she's a nobody she has her name. So it doesn't matter. So she's really good. She has she's always tried to fight lock the boys like his brothers. And she had this mentality of what they can do. I should be able to do. She was a complete polar opposite of war Sansa was or is. And we take into Johnny where she tries to train. She's too hard to use needle swap master, dancing master. We'll get by Johnson and Wilton that aria Johnson super tight like really really close. She's just a solid character through and through. You you feel like in every situation he'd want to be an area in that area. Do. Unfortunately, she's in the minority of strong Holman characters in this series. I I would I would argue that there are only three strong women characters in the series is one of them. So let's let's get through everyone. We need to get through. And I will tell you my delicious theories, and we have John snow. The busted, what do you think? What I think part of the problem is this shirt has been over hyped to hell or to win to hell if you'll pardon the pun. So I really fought in my mind that John's was going to be a really substantial. By tea sort of character was actually quite vanilla by the end of it. He wasn't. He wasn't really that special. He was from the dead. He literally could call him Boston number one. And I would keep going. Wow. Was nothing really that special about he had integrity. He knew how to lead men him in and of itself, I wouldn't want to sit around and have a drink with. If you're asking me who I want to sit around and have a drink with I would say Bron, but that's for another time or even -tarian. But that's for another time. But John wasn't that interesting? His historic wasn't that fascinating to me. I thought it was quite shape how he got killed. And then he came back to life. Even if I watch cable thirds as it played out. I knew that he wouldn't have died in that was it. It was too integral to the story. And then you had. Alpes? What did you call them? The brothers Cape. The man that keeps coming back to life, and then the hound and yet from the Bollywood, whether they were like, oh, you were brought back for reason. Even that read lady today is Andrea meta, Sandra. She's like, oh, you brought back for a reason. So even in that sense like you knew that he was going to come back to life. And there was so much set out to him. He wouldn't made sense to kill him, and then have to rage a similar type of character. I didn't really care him human a fighting on the way, I'm actually surprised that they got married and they met on gay refers, and they got married as a part of the acting. It's just saying. Bothersome? I just didn't want to. I do some wildly love. I do. Love me, some Tolman. Yeah. I just I really didn't care for John slows character. He was like he was competent. Let's say that. Well, the thing with Jon snow is they're enor- his the main character latkes one of them in John's, no nothing, and he's not going to be killed off before even know who the parents are likely the remains of feeling too big deal about who the models and who was happening there. And it was like now made his dead. Now of is coming to come back. Well, the hell someone else come back to live, of course, is not gonna to left dead. It was just obvious his dead. Fines people kept saying that game of Thoenes just killed characters left. A Ryan I really didn't feel like that was the case. Like, I knew that Jong slur was never gonna die, sir. She wasn't going to die. You knew people that will be and probably billing would've died the story. Yeah. You new characters old. Actually, I agree with you the second. I'm watching. I'd be like. Yeah. You come a saw even if it made sense for them to die. They wouldn't die because they're more important than the story because I spotted his for example, people die people died in that shirt. That's a really happening game with her on anything. Which was kind of all predictable. I wouldn't say that characters die here. Too often now grow with. So before we close off on how stock about theon, great joy. And because we are trying to capture as much people as possible within this podcast sort of timeframe. I don't wanna spend too much time. But I definitely want to talk about theon evolution as a character. And rake house, he has evolved. Well, he's his basic stance. From introduced his his douche at the start. And the end of his come to see that. He was a douche. And now he's drawn to confess or apologize for whatever. I did it betraying rob and trying to kill Brandon Riggan. And the fact that I think all that just happened because he got captured and tortured by Ramsey. If that happened he would still be the dish that he was. And he was still probably I really think it was a dish that he was a kid that was taken away from his family since raised. It was raised as stocks all the love in the world. But if you developmentally at a very formative age wasn't given the right amount of love that will turn you into problematic, Laura person. So even even up to that point when he had his journey, and he betrayed to stocks and torture by Ramsey, and he ended up saving Sansa, actually forgave him. The part where things came on is when he fucking jumped off the boat and left his system those unforgivable with the angle that was unforgivable. Well, nothing doing that. Everything is being through. It was understandable, try and run on hand. So that's understandable. But every time the hound got scared of fire. You kept saying grow up. Just because he'd try to find a way to deal with it. You know, how about failed men? Not only been exposed to this for a few come on. Now off you years with yourself. How does live with this for his entire life? He hot bird as a child by his Brown. Eko bird as a child by his brother, sorta ability any anytime, you want to go to a bottle, your liability is just a lot of fire and you care kill the hound. Hang on. I'm getting my death marinara again. What he what are you doing the next now? I guess I'll be dial. I guess you. Let's talk about status house Baratheon any wanna talk about Roe bit who king rob married to Sissy at the start of the series about rubble was a solid character. He was really good friends of Ed stock, and that's how I come across the stocks because he goes to meet them. I think Robert was a great king. I think hey stretch he didn't even remember him since two minutes ago. So we'll fight that you are. I thought him and having their adventures was quite a tale to tell because they are doing preschools, I would be interested. If I had to in watching that you're what I think would be a great invention. If I could just I would even pay for the service of if either like a sitting character, you can remove them from the series, and then I can just watch all the characters that I want to watch this series. If that's the case, then I'm all for it. Some event that and send us a amount. Hello it. If I our podcast because I would love to be involved in that. But yet came Robert was great. He didn't really Dolj Joffrey. If you noticed they really exact. Exactly. Here you didn't indulge him. So if you're talking about the nature nurture, certainly was the problem in that equation aside from the of incest, but it was the problem in that situation. So Robert, I thought was pretty solid. He also had a kid was soci-. And I think it was alluded. That certainly did something to make sure she lost that child. She killed the kid. Exactly. So how do you think Robert will be feeling? Those are very good serving same between king Robert and Suzy right before he died, and they could literally say there was learn love between these two right and convenience Robert made some comment about I don't even know how. The people come together and uncertainty with a referral smile said. It was our marriage and that was perfect because they completely understood each other in that moment. So I think you need to give more credit where credit is drew in regards to rubber Sylla's talk about status Barath you fucking coward. His his his. To kill his younger, brother what focus that his his his not special. He's relying on the Landreau for pretty much everything. He doesn't know how to lead. He come decision for himself. It's relying on devas or his dramas. Andrea. Oh, all gonna do what I'm going to say, oh, how will win this bottle even when said was saying to status to leave her behind, and he he he took that council. But then when they lost hip Blane's, exactly cop. To that his this shit Carter through throughout areas. Much of him. Our to see Brienne Sherie died, and he was there. And in the one supposed to love Shull in more than the mom. The mom was always like a dick lean. But when it came down to it, the mom to save Charlene from being bond to the state every I was really side. And you know, a really caught me as well knowing that they plan that toy, sir. Devils to like away, and knowing that he would find out because I knew there was no way he wasn't going to find out about this that really really break, my heart. That's big. Just just one more second the saving grace of status breath yet when he was doing this questionable. Things was a history of his daughter. Clearly, not enough. Well, what turns to sacrifice? That's when it all came down for me. And I'm like you can buy. Reynolds, if we're running out of time. If we're running out of time, Leslie. Yeah. But he did introduce by way of him being he introduced brand of tough to us. It is in that much. I talk loved remedy so much because there. Oh, yes, younger and before we run out of time. So brianna of tough. Brand. Mutt? Wow. Is an amazing warrior like she's warrior. I before she's a woman she's warrior, I would second. And that's what I loved true sensors lady. I true, I is warrior, I. Really is such a solid character service character development, and I'm so happy that we got introduced to her as a warrior. I felt like she was my. But she kept saying she wasn't or maybe by technicality. She wasn't an issue. But I really liked that we actually got to her skill before. They made the joke sees sort of love triangle between her Jamie and Taumont I liked that we we actually going to chance to focus on her. I also liked that we saw different qualities of her and her to make things right as well. I enjoyed saying the chemistry between her pod. Aside from for your reference. I think he's my favorite pod. And a signed from wanting to say some unsullied genitals. I did want to say pods genitals say of his magical cook. Do you think is just a big rather than technique that was one of the funniest say's when he came back from the brothel with that coin purse? Terry Brown will like what the fuck happened. No since. Moment is going. But I enjoyed that running joke that they had in the show. So let's go back to brand super solid. I also enjoyed the dynamics as she had Jamie. They were through a lot together. And I'm glad that they still. They still held that sort of dynamic even after parring from each other. Falls the close bond, and you could tell there's more to come between them, especially now that is left saucy. So it doesn't even have to be very mantis as well. I feel like it has to be room. It will be romantic not house to be my mentor has anything to say about probably before the David meet land is one of my reasons for living nobles to died when the walkers when the walkers surrounded them in the but didn't you like when they went to go back to recruit the Wild Wings. And the guy was like oh sorry. They can't talk right now any bash day hidden. You ready to talk now? I I've become obsessed with Toleman I just like looking at him, and I like watching compilations on YouTube of him and bran, but really it's more just him staring at brand like when he was eating that big chicken lake. He was stirring at Bryn is there. Anything more Minteq or of pudding? True. I do want us to run out of time before talking about the main issue. We've had watching this together not issue per se. Just when we were having fun. Let's look house to Gary and especially done Aries. No, one prefaced, and I'm blaming you. Specifically, Artie, no one purpose to me, how destructive and how problematic of character deniro's target Syrian is to the overall series. It's irresponsible to make someone watch game two thirds and not tell me about this terrible person. Let me just explain to you. So I've touched on it. So I've kind of planted the seed minutes ago, the nearest target Syrian is every example of what's wrong in the world or what's wrong in the world of game of thrones. And the reason why I say that is okay, fair enough, your baby and Noah's looking to you, and your essentially and open and Giora, I think. Essentially contributed to selling her away. Right. So that's great origin story to have. I get that. Even the fact that her brother. Solar off to the Dauth Raqi as a political play for him to become king was a gripe. And the fact that she she went through all of this torture with memo recommend that wasn't great as well. But more and more through the series everything just went right forward, the narrows all the time. And it was really pissing me off and the time when I started to even question your viewership was when she started to I would even use the word liberate when she started to let the slaves free, right? And the reason why I had a problem with that is because she she's essentially what I would call the UN in its worst eight right? So you come into this far land. And you say, you know, what I think I know what's best for you. And you there and the ones Schicker is bad you run off to another city and do the same fucking thing. That's not right. So what she did was she release a slaves. And then in some cities, she actually killed the masters pays them because I think one of the words there will showing sixty three I think crucified slaves or whatever. The number was. And then to reciprocate that she killed the same about of masters and had their personified as well. And then as we later find out in the series, some of the slave masters actually were trying to help the slaves they weren't even guilty. But because they were slave masters to begin with they will part of the problem because we have other remember is name, but are meant style acts from plebs. He he was the son of a man that actually help slaves and actually loved them as well. Because you know, they looked after his kids, and that's all the thing. And what really bothered me about the nearest is. She really didn't have a good grappling of how the world worked. And she didn't know what it meant to actually rule a people if you're in a position of power, and you choose to free the slaves that what you also need to do is introduce a system for them to be able to stand on their own to fate because once you get rid of the masters. It's a terrible situation of being. But once you get rid of the Mazdas. They have nowhere else to live. They have nowhere to eight. So what do you need to do you need to provide livelihood? How are you going to give them land? If the mosses still there, and these are the problems that I had maybe I was getting to real because it is just referred, but it just it just shirts. Me that even if she was an orphan, and she'll go through all of this. She still thinks in the sense of a high board, and she doesn't understand the ramifications of her ill decisions and serve, sir. Motto on the way, Giora moment, our best friend. Here advised against a lot of the things. She was doing yet. She continued to do it. And she decided to execute that slave Mazda. Right. If run of everyone in front of the slave mosses and also the slaves and she decided to make a public exhibition of that. Why why was that she she didn't? And again, that's why I'm not saying that you need to go on a bloody rampage to know what it means. But at least if you've killed him in before, and you've actually committed the orders that you've sent out you actually understand the gravity of what it means to make those sort of calls, right? Because if you can just tell someone to do it for you. Then it does take away a bit of. Humans are fallible creatures. So you know, you can come -partment allies that you're not as guilty because eating kill that person. Right. But in a nutshell, I really found hard to continue watching thirds on her story. Arc alarm. And it was interesting because we both had different points of view in regards to Narus. And do you want to share somebody else? So I took it as denarius taking down a path of hollering socio not going to get leadership from the Geico. And that's why she had. Giora and later she had Tyrian because she needed strong people around who'd actually shouldn't listen to the. Well, at least give her advice, and she did come to Lon that she can't just liberate people having some sort of plan. And that's why she's still did it. Well, and that's why when she actually went off on those still in in marine after the tactical drag on flew away and tear into over to urine was like she did lot. Like she understands the wash. Should it was a mistake and those in need for hard to understand that you can't just liberate people giving them some sort of direction. And she remember when she was she was confused the factor. Those over two hundred people waiting for waiting to see her. It's just shows naievty in what a lead what leadership? In any sort of genuine sincere nature. She had was fake because she wanted to help these people, but she didn't want to sit and listen to their problems one of a really good pivotal moment that points to her lack of character is the witch she in her mind saved, and you know, what the witch Senator final moments. I was raped twice before you came and saved me. What the fuck do? You think you've done for me? And she didn't learn her lesson. Even from that moment that she captured by the author Aki again. The doth Raqi even at the time. They didn't or she was a Casey right, but I didn't kill her things just worked at her favor. But she didn't give people those graces she didn't pay people. And even Giora was telling deniro's, you know, if you if I forgot who was going to lay down the orders. But if they were going to do what you did I wouldn't be alive today to advise you. And that's what it becomes a problem. And she was talking about how her people on slaves. Right. Even Tyrian when he came and it was to Masan day. He was like she was she was trying to defend the near saying, we're not slaves and Tyrians like, but if you wanted to go back to Naf Naf, if you wanted to go back to north could you guys she's like, oh, if yes, she would his like if you want to leave right now, would she let you right? And that's what became really problematic to me. Because you kept saying she was a catalyst for these people, but she took over the pyramid, which was the highest point of establishment in that city trying to act like she was part of the people. Right. And you might not you might not call them slaves. But if you're living in a big ass pyramid. Like that you're going to have people that need to tend to the residents that need to draw your bath that a cook your dinner, they might not call. Themselves slaves, but you're not addressing the underlying issues. Right. You're not addressing the foundational problem of the system because she still living in a way that. That still relies on slaves in order for her to have the lifestyle that she has. And that's the problem that I had with the nearest and it even got to the point where it always made us stop watching gay with our together because I guess you can really say where I was coming from. In regards to how I was received her character. And I really I really don't understand like. Yeah. You know, people wanna talk about dragon. She is the mother of dragons. But I don't think anyone's really acknowledged. The problematic, and you can't even call a navy because she she knew better that right? And I did it like how she would use her dragons and that pretty much became her shield. Right. So she could say whatever the fuck. She wanted say or she could attack whatever she wanted to add people could do anything because she had a drag it. I just I really didn't care for that. Because that's all true strength. True. That's what to you and try to make a stop doing stop how from using the drug on so much because what would differentiate are from the mud king who pretty much roll from by feared. This massive three as dragons and all terrorize, you until you bench to my wheel. And that's what we need to March in there with. Be Worcester overseas and do it from our own countries on solids, you can use tricky so tier and understood to some degree you country lie on your drug on for everything. Have to show to strategy off to show leadership for people to actually Foley your willingly for people to actually love you. But it just it just tickles me. Because in all of these is. Been going on. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say what I'm saying. And the fact that you don't even resonate with anything that I'm saying in regards to the nearest it just makes me wonder people actually watching this show. Pasta fus level. Boy, you just like cou dragon fire yet, man. Really it really it really stuck with me. And it really bothered me that her character was like that that she continued to go on like that. Because she wasn't even like a mad Queen. She was she was selfish, and she was in Dolgin as she. Folks, she she she thought she was doing well. But even when she was told she wasn't doing. Well, she didn't wanna listen, and she got she deflected. Even when she knew she was being. But let's let's leave that for now if you guys are interested in hearing more of my thoughts, and you wanna debut dive into I am, sir happy. We're doing this episode because I never really want to talk about her again. But I just realize we have another say's get through. But I I really have I have qualms. Oh, you're. Scams or settled end of season eight. That I'm heard Johnson together. I'm like that's not natural in any world. This is literally trying to bring all of the characters together and trying to mishmash everyone together that made no sense at all. But let's let's let's leave that. Solicits capture off a whole IMAS if world, but I just wanna capture off on any sort of lasting moments that he had already characters that we didn't bring up that you want to bring up. So I'll talk about Sam. Oh. Sometime who's been? Who's been seen as our cost of the family? Sort of we'd won the follow the really appreciate what some brings the main. Yeah. And feel when the nearest audit for the father umbrella to be killed. I was like, oh, that's but knowing the how the conflicted Samis solid character is knowledgeable, and we knew that someone play a role in this show. The maybe he was introduced as being useless. Like, he didn't he didn't know how to fight. He didn't know how to cook. His just was afraid of heights. He wasn't from here. It was a liability for Mr.. And what sorta character, you definitely know that are it as a whim of, you know, on a whim, so his a good characters carrot whole brings knowledge boxing. People are needed in John snow telling them what drug glass, hey knows his researching on how to the best way to defeat today. Feed the night-workers that Walker's Walker's the white walkers you've been watching some fan game. And he's also his also treated Giora from. And the fact that we have a lot of people were stuck in the old ways in the Maistre who really didn't want to do anything outside the old RAF all all shifting up. Ruffle feathers. Like he went out to up on himself to try and do new things do even when he was tried to play some more importance on brands note there were literally in academia, and they were thinking about in real life. They'll just talking about books, and we just wait for something to happen to them. Like just waiting for the watch walk to come up on kill them. All locked pretty useless on the speaker generation of people in society at the moment who have the power who have the knowledge and the just sitting on their laurels doing. She'll like to there's. I want to give to pie is that his name mud pie. It's it's it's hot pie. Sorry. Sorry hop. Bye. I didn't say. That was the nearest big your Dowell. But yeah. And I also just wanted to quickly touch on various Varis was one of the best characters. And he the thing I admired about virus. Is he hitting have a great life? Right. But he accepted the cards. He was dealt and he used them to the best of his ability. And he was quite malleable, which I guess some people won't like because he can change with the wind. But I appreciate it that self interest fueled him, and he was officially and what he did. So I I would be remiss if I did it mentioned him in this episode, but just in closing I do just want to mention that. I did watch gave a thirds didn't necessarily. I have a very addictive sort of personality. So when I watched something, I usually latch onto it. And I really didn't feel that we gave with. The best way. I can describe gave a third is. It's the gateway shirt for people that don't usually watch these fantasy type of Shire's. And I think that's the best way to describe it. Because they intensity is not at the level of other shows. The character development is not at the level of the other shows. And I think having the say of the seven kingdoms and trying to set the story it became a bit arduous, and it became a bit bloated because you needed to set the scene for so many kingdoms, but that's my closing thoughts. Do you have any? No, I enjoyed it. Watching it a second time. It's a well return show with a little bit of hope holes in there. Generally, a great entertaining show that anyone with a little bit of imagination could try and. Stories together and see how it all locks in on compete against yourself. And just see how many things you'd get right in trying to predict storylines and see how exciting to me, and I had a fun time watching in the second time and out probably continue reading the books after the last season. Well, I will decline that invite future perpetuity, sir. As per the name of our podcast. This is the foyer reference segment, sir. Earthy our recomend that you watch paddock us. Yes place. Just because it's it gives a different tone to the subtle journal and not find to see per se, but ancient times and it's full of action. It's full of the storytelling is great, and the camaraderie, and the Banta is why. Are the highest level able to see in any show? So it's a Cisco solid while show and Charlotte to any would fail who died after the forest probably during the second season all the waiting for him to recover, and it was what sad. And after that. I was hoped on just finishing it off for him, even though it dipped a bit, but the Fossey's on one of the best shows we've washed and his performance was amazing Saturday Sedley. Definitely give Sparkasse I've got to. Reference. Obviously, I do swing towards a Viking sort of tangents. Are I would recommend if you haven't watched Vikings on the history channel, you should give it a gar-? It's great. It does have a lot of ox. But as we all learn as quarter by earthy overs lead to category. So it is more of a cohesive story. And you get to know more about Regna and his sons and also his legacy. So that's the first one I would recommend the second series that I would recommend that you watch is the Korean drama on Netflix called kingdom. Yeah. You didn't think I will take the? So we're talking about battling for the third, and you also have supernatural elements of zombies essentially, so definitely give spot Vikings. And also came them a before we do finish. We didn't really talk about fears of the Las as and I know we're running out of time. I'm just going to say thirty seconds who I think is going to take the crown who I think and who will take the crown Tyrian motherfucking land star because someone that doesn't feel greed for power is who should be in the third. So I will say Tyrian often Gobi, John snow. Call it stressful. Here's while holding his boss. Yup. Yes. So there are guys we've made it through hurtful you've made it through as well if you had gave him firms fans, hopefully, we can still be friends off to this. Twitter and Instagram. We foyer ref pod. Also check out site, and you can Email us. Hello f y but Costa com. Winter is calm. See?

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