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Survivor 40 | Tarans Winners at War Episode 7 Update | Kevin Martin

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Survivor 40 | Tarans Winners at War Episode 7 Update | Kevin Martin

"Terrance to give you dig in the Bronx Zoo to find you. Everything you need to review lives Pastula tear nannies breakdown. The agree on what the judge. Hello everyone and welcome to our survivor. Update for week. Seven of winners at war. I'm your host turn Armstrong. We're here to go through every detail of the episode that we saw this week. I'm here this week with Kevin Martin. Once again the people they demanded that you return and so Naro Nice here you are having again using the same picture in the thumbnail. Yes in the same picture yet. Guns out thank you. Everyone man we had. I was overwhelmed by the support. With the PODCAST. The amount of positive feedback we received was like so encouraging and I think this is a time in our life where things are a little bit Iraqi. Yeah there's a pandemic going on people to Scare. People are nervous survivors. Never been more important. In my opinion this is like people need this. People need this once a week to sit down. Get their brain off of what's happening and just dove into some amazing reality. Tv content. This is big and it's interesting because through my life some twenty seven. I can actually compartment now. I'm going to butcher that word. I can't even say that with yes. I can compartmentalize my life. Based off of what episodes and seasons of survivor were airing so in college. That was Russell Hansen was survivor. Samoa I remember Russell being big in college and in high school I remember Cook Islands. I remember the car situation with Yemen and now in season forty well pandemic going on. I will never forget this season airing during the situation and I'm so happy at me back and I'm excited to talk about all of it. Yeah I'm certainly glad that we have. I am a little upset for the players. The winters they're not getting to have a watch parties really. The finale is probably not going to be what it normally is. And that's that's unfortunate for such a big season but at the same time the fact that we have such a great thing on TV when so many other things are going to be going away for instance. We just lost big brother. Canada Kevin so having survivor is definitely a bright spot. Something that we can hold onto until the season ends here. Yeah Big Brother. Can't we're not here to talk about big brother Canada but just a couple quick notes on that the season is done? They wrapped up production. The writing was on the wall for quite a while. I'm happy I've been kind of spoken against production. I think while this has been a tough situation. B began production. I was GONNA say they haven't handled things well and there's been some bad decisions and there was concern for safety with everyone. I'm just happy everyone's home right now and I do feel for production you know how much time effort theme design competition design. How many energy energy of putting towards trying to produce a big brother season is insane to produce a big brother candidacies in when the world is running smoothly is very difficult very very very very very difficult. Some of those producers worked sixteen hours a day to keep the show running and to try to run a during a pandemic was was never going to happen so yes season. Eight of Big Brother candidate is done and thank goodness. We still have survivor. Keep saying once a week. Yeah and certainly feel for the players as well who especially those that we're doing well in the game that it's very unfortunate for them. Luckily we've got survivor. Talk about one final note on on this thing before we jump into survivor. I do just want to extend a big virtual hug to a lot of people in the world right now. This is this is. This is a in my opinion. A lifetime defining moments. We have never done this before. We never self isolated like this before our parents have and I was talking to my grandma. She's never done anything like this before. We have never done this before. And we are all learning on the fly so just want to extend the message that we're okay. Everything's GonNa be okay. Everyone take a deep breath. This is the time to get closer with people. I feel very close with my family. Now I call. My mom wants today while the situation is going on and while there are some tough things going on in the world. Some good can come from this for sure. You can definitely get closer with your family. There's opportunities I also want to give a shout out to my friends here in Vancouver. We actually started like an emergency little charity. It's called excuse me. I was eating some cheese and crackers and stuck in my throat. Sorry Awesome Yeah. He's your way it's okay. You're getting emotional about everything that's right. I don't WanNa cry too many times by the way of eating too much food since this quarantine started. That's a that's A. That's a danger. So I WANNA give a shout out to my amazing friends in Vancouver actually started an emergency charity. It's called feed who need dot CA. Check out our website. We want to deliver groceries for the elderly population for free in Vancouver because everyone should be staying inside right now to protect each other yourself and each other especially the elderly population so Yeah check out our website feed who need DOT CA? We definitely want to help some people during this time. It's a it's a great thing. It's a great thing that you're doing. I think a lot of people do need help in this time. Especially who don't want to have to risk going out there. They are predisposed to being in particular danger from this This virus so I'm sure yeah anything we can do to help each other out in this time. Yeah Yeah we're GONNA get through this together. It's I think some good can come from this for sure. And it's it's a weird time dude. It's a weird time you're saying before the PARKAS started. It's very movie esque. What's going on right now. Yeah it feels it. Feels like a post apocalyptic movie or something a little bit a little bit. Everyone just taking deep rack running home. This take a deep breath. No reason to stock up. No reason to hoard. Grocery stores are going to be full. We're just okay but but please just stay at home everyone. Just stay home for for weeks and this is going to be months to. I've had my pulse on this thing for a little bit for some reason the poker-playing community as had their pulse on this pandemic situation. So we just need to take this seriously but not panic. Yeah all right well. In the meantime we do have things that can Help take our mind off of things. We are isolated in our homes For quite a while and that is what. We're here to talk about survivor. Unfortunately not not not a pleasant week of survive. I was a good episode. Not necessarily a pleasant outcome for the episode as we have lost you. Oh you use Kwan. He's gone for the first time in you'll survivor history career you'll win through the entirety of Cook Islands. Never got voted out intimating game and for the first time ever. His porch has been enough another legend. Look at this boot ordinary. It's been entertaining. There's been some pain in survivor. Looking booed order. I believe it's been you. Will Sandra Poverty Boston Rob Tyson like this? Is this is crazy? We're losing some legends in front of our eyes so rough so rough and that's kind of inevitable when the entire cast is filled with great characters and players but but I think just the dichotomy between who's left in the game and who's gone from the game is like the worst because like I think that we wanted a mixture mixture of old and new. And then now we're all new players like no. Why can't there be at least some old players left and so it's it's rough and especially you'll who looks like he was set up so like you'll who felt like perhaps was going to win the whole thing whereas some other of these some of these players like poverty. She's a great player. But the edit she was receiving it was kind of like wasn't even a lot of attention so already kind of resigned myself to the fact that poverty probably wasn't GonNa win but you'll I felt like you'll had it had the edit. You had the position. He had the he had everything. And the Shaw seem taken away in one of my top threes in terms of win equity in terms of winning this whole thing he was right up there with a Sophian Jeremy for me in terms of potential to take this whole thing down and we. We gotTA break this down. I took a lot of notes like what happened what happened. What literally happened. He was swapped into the majority. He was swapped into a five person tribe. Eat a three two majority party. Michelle were on the outside. They got rid of poverty. Where where did this go? What happened between you a window and nick. Why couldn't they get their their act together on the same page? Seemed like I should have been an easy vote in this. New Age of survivors seems like easy. Votes are fewer and farther between it. Seems like people. Get Fancy Fire Tokens. Were maybe a part of this as well. We'll break that down in shocking that you've gone. Yeah we'll definitely get into the specifics of the vote As we run through the episode. I do want to just talk. Broadly about though about this. The fact that that all of these big old school names are now gone. It seems like this is a theme. Amongst all survivor. All Star seasons that from the very first one. The big names always go first. We saw it and all stars we saw it and to a lesser degree in here is versus villains. But still you to a decent degree in here is versus villains and then game changers like every single time. We see an all-star season with really big names. We see them go down one after one and it says to me that there's a really high level of difficulty going in with that kind of legacy that kind of reputation and you see people like Jeremy and Tony even rob and Tyson who. I think. They seem to have the right idea. Which is we all. All of the big names need to stick together. That seems to be an absolute necessity for an all-star season. If you were a big name you have to stick with other big names. I think the problem becomes that not. All big names are big names because they were great at the game. Some of them are big names just because they have a big legacy but not. They didn't always like they weren't always the most strategic players and so it's hard to get everyone on the same page when when there are some people that are like no. I don't need this because I can go over here. And then they get. Tricked by these These smaller names the hyenas. The lions have to work together and this is something that I experienced on my returning season of big brother. Candidates often too many cooks in the kitchen too many big names. That just can't jell together if you are a big name a returning reality. Tv season you need to go to the other big names and get on the same page. You need to make mutual alliances to boost your win equity like And we're seeing what Jeremy lately later I can. I can't even talk about Jeremy. Without hearts in my eyes I'm so into the survivor player. Right now he. He's my favorite of all. Time made it official. I Love Jeremy so much. But you're right. The the big players have self destructed once again and saying everyone. Here's a big player but there is a difference between a big player and alleged right like legend Tier. They're all got there all God. They're all at age of extinction chilling edge of extinction. Well we're going to see some new legends be made but the boot order has been quite quite crazy. Yeah so here's what we got from the episode started on extinction and we saw that Poverty has has arrived. She Says No. Nobody's willing to work with me from. She tells us that. Getting voted out before the merger so lame before thank goodness she's married she would be unbeatable now. What John Fincher from Survivor Samoa? She's done for John fincher survivor Survivor crushed in high school. As well I was. I'm right with Nick and I think I think a lot of people can agree to that. We have poverty saying that is lame. But then we see Sandra come. In and this is an interesting storyline. Harvey takes a little bit of a silver lining here party. Says she's happy. At least. Sandra God voted. That was a little caught me off guard. I didn't know poverty was so anti Sandra in this game. I mean she did lose to Sandra. And here's versus villains and many saver. You might have shouldn't've lost to Sandra and here's his own so I have to imagine there's at least a little bit of like are there. Yeah you're right. I guess standard wasn't going to be a two-time winner it would have been poverty so that makes it a little bit senses but obviously these two queens legends of survivor. If I had to think of top three survivor players all time both poverty and Sandra in my top three sure. Sanders won twice. Arby's one of the top three players in the history of the show as well so it's interesting that the Queen's are having trouble journey on right now and it's interesting Sanders said prior to the game and she said after the game to like one of the reasons she came on the season was to prevent a woman from winning so that there wouldn't be another queen so yeah Santa's goals going into the season was like a I want to win for third time That was obviously the the best. But the option B. for Sandra was like I don't want a legend to win twice because I want to be. The true legend is like she wanted the narrative to stay where she was still with. Wayne. We'll talk a little bit here about Sandra and her retirement and we get an interesting little scene from Boston rob in true to Boston. Rob's brain You Know Boston. Rob Since two cents about how? Sandra shouldn't put her fate in the game into these his hands. Boston rob is correct but he does come across as very condescending. He comes across as condescending during the game and also here on edge. He comes across very condescending. He gives a little Boston. Rob a lecture. And then we get a nice little confessional from Sandra how. She's still human. She made a mistake. She realizes the mistake she made and she doesn't want to be on the edge of extinction. Yeah I I really loved this. Actually that like you could see like if you watch this scene that Sandra explains what happened that she gave her idol to denise and as she explains the situation that denise used her own idol to take her out. Just if you re watch the Scene Watch ROB's face watch Amherst. Fay's watch all of them. They all start to crack a bit of a smile. They're all just a little bit too pleased. Sandra screwed up so bad and so rob is like why wouldn't you do that? She got a little bit of roasting Sandra's accredit Sandra. She takes in. She's like yeah. I messed up. But I'm still the best in her mentality is really so Sandra hangs it up this house type thing that she's done she's four times. She's won twice. She won her first time or second time. Third Time in four time didn't go as well but of course with that red alert legacy that she had. It would have been tough for her. She's ready to hang up and this was really interesting. She's the first person to quit extinction. Now there is a percentage of the survivor. Fandom that I just want to smack upside the head right now because this actually survivor fan doesn't give me like upset very often. This take that some people had the wrong the wrong. This is not equipped in my book. I mean it could. I guess it's a quit. She quit. How can you not understand where she's coming from here? You know she. She's a legend. She's won twice. You do want her to ninety food for twenty three days to go. Play some sort of competition with a Boston Rob Tyson. I am with Stephen. Fishbach steamed fish. Back Nice tweet. I am one hundred percent on this side that why should Sandra either leave Sandra Sandra? There's no reason for standard to be there and there's a large segment of the survivor community. Wrestle handsome calling you out your take on. This is really bad as well. You are wrong. You're just wrong Russell. Russell is tweeting about how Sandra quitter. And she should be ashamed. Absolutely not I think. Her decision to leave was absolutely correct decision. And I'm interested in your take Eric. Yeah you know I think I'm probably going to have the most boring take because it's probably a little bit like in the Middle East side. You're either with me here. I in fact. I think it's silly to have such dramatic sides over this because like for one thing I like for one thing. There are people who are like. This isn't even. Don't even call it a quick and I disagree with that like actually quit. She quit the game. That's fine quits. Don't have to be dramatically bad but she did quit like there's still a chance like you never know what kind of challenge. There's going to be like it could be a puzzle sanders not too bad at puzzles Kind of good at puzzles. If it's just a straight up puzzle which I think is remotely like. I think there's a very good chance that it's just a puzzle because that is a fair way to do it. And so if that's the case then I do think she has a shot at getting back into the game and so like I. I wouldn't quit in that spot. I would want to stay. Even if I thought I had no chance to get back into the game I would wanna stay to play it out and have a vote in the jury and have my say and how things played out so. It's not something that I would do but at the same time like I completely get where she's coming from like she's voted out she didn't agree with extinction in the first place. So why would she want to be there? Like I would rather have said like extinction is a dumb concept so I'm GonNa stay here and not giving them anything else. I thought that would have been more fun. But but yeah I. I don't think that it tarnishes her legacy. I don't think that it means anything about her as a player. She's already got two million dollars. She doesn't have to stay there. She got voted out. It's not like she's quitting before getting voted out. It's not like she couldn't hack it or anything so like I said I'm kind of I'm kind of just in the middle it happened. It's I didn't even surprise me all that much. It's just interesting. I thought it'd be more my side. I thought you'd be the interesting. You really are on the fence about this. I'm taking a hard stance on this. I am going to be dramatic and say that this wasn't what I don't think this is my definition. I This is interesting. I do think her legacy is heard a little bit. It'll tell you what it's not because she left edge because she gave denise an idol with the legs. He takes a hit or legend. She's a two-time legend forever. I think she's one of the greatest players ever. She's in my top three of grace players ever but she does fall down a Paik your because of the move that you know. She was in a three two majority. She gives in eastern idle and she gets screw. That takes a hit. Your legacy asked take a hit if you do that. I do think that is in the realm of like jt. Level of personally. Sandra go enjoy European CADA. We don't need to see on the edge. Go Off Queen and I like this. She's this is truly will be the last time. I think we see Sandra on survivor. I think I think the thing is too like like it was sanders original season right. It was Pearl Islands. Where where Lil who? You never would have any chance of ever coming back in any kind of anything. Lil is the one that one of the people that returned and then made it to the finals with her and certainly she want against little but I do disagree with the idea that she had no chance whatsoever of ever coming back into the game but I also don't care like why it's like wh- when I call it a when I when I say she quit the game and people like it's not a quits like but I don't care that it's equipped it's not. I'm not saying it's a quick and therefore she should be disgraced. It's like I'm just I'm just calling it what I think it is and I probably have a different idea of like the negativity associated with that word That a lot of people do because because probst is very anti quit and he will like shame anybody that quits the game. Yeah but I don't think probst is going to shame Sandra. I think that he also will look at this. Like it's different because it's a different kind of quit. Retirement retirement. Michael Jordan played thirteen seasons with the shark cargo bowls he retires. He doesn't quit basketball standard. It doesn't quit survivor. She retires. She hangs it up. That's what it is in my books. And her legacy should be still very very high and I saw a lot of tweets fans who not only have never played survivor. I've never gone off the couch. You're sitting there with your big bag of salt and vinegar chips. And you'RE GONNA call Sandra quitter. Okay it pissed me off man. All A lot of tweets out there. It really did it. Fired me up and but it seems like most sensible people are on the page of like okay shirts but anyway. That's off my chest. I I think there is one positive from this. Which is that. If she hadn't left edge of extinction then we would have had to be like well who which. Who's in place Sandra Poverty? Because they voted on the same night. But now there's a clear trump delineation so I guess. Saint I guess Natalie and Danny or now they beat Sandra last long care for the guy. That's a person that's writing the wikki article. Sandra you can say. Thank you and they talked about this on Nodoze last night rob and Steven. It's like we'll we'll probably see an edge challenge in the next couple days and after someone gets back in I think Danny raise the mast amber. I'm good I'm good. We could see a few more quits here. Coming up our retirements. Whatever you WANNA say. I think some of the ADS. You know it's it's crowded there. It looks terrible. It really does with their struggling on the distinction. Well we do head over to sell a and you'll tells us that tribal sucked. Wendell treated a lot more drama and uncertainty than was necessary and this episode is just continuing to pile on the heaps of negative Wendell content. That we've been getting over the last few episodes really Wendell. Your it is overwhelming. I don't like that I don't like Gwendolyn the show anymore. And I just want him to get his comeuppance and go 'cause I don't want to dislike him but he just keeps staying and being such a jerk. So I'm very conflicted about this whole situation. Kevin no I like it. We have so many. We've so many amazing personalities. Wendell is an amazing personality. We need a little ability. Need that black and you put him on keeping them on all my God. He's looking bad dude and I know it's like yeah right out the gate right out the gate. He talks with Wendell. Wendell talk to them about tribal. He says I respect. I respect the. You're honest that's how I am with my friends then. He has a conversation with with Michelle where he apologizes. And she's like you know it wasn't. I wasn't uncomfortable. I just think you know in the future. It's probably not the best idea I feel like it's bad for your game and thank you for schooling me about how to act tribal idea. Do you think I don't know what I was doing last night? I know how to play. Let me play my game. He says if you put me in some kind of on some kind of leash I might turn around and bite you and you'll points out to Michelle like there's a big difference between how he responded to me how he responded to you and I felt like not show you a Lotta respect. Such a bad look man. Michelle and Windows. Relationship is confusing. It's question mark to me what happened. What happened so okay. You don't get along with this guy but you're you know touchy feely. You're calling them babe. It's a confusing little relationship going on and I don't know where it's GonNa go. It really really is quite interesting. Yes so it seems like you will so in this tribe. There's four people there is you. Will there is Wendell and there is nick? Those guys were a strong three from the original call. Bay swapped into a five person tribe with poverty and Michelle got rid of poverty so it seems like there's a three one dominating situation it seems like Michelle should be in a lot of trouble here but Michelle's and a lot of conversations Michelle's talking with Wendell previous relationship Michelle's talking with your Michelle's talking with Nick. Hello Michelle Oh my God. I mean we know you deserve to win your first season but Hello. Have you ever come out to play here? This is really impressive. I'm very impressed with Michelle and her stock is going up in my opinion in a spot where historically should have been a lot of trouble. She's included in a lot of conversations. Quite amazing quite often. It's obvious that Wendell has stirred the pot a little bit. I don't think you will play these conversations really well I think you will. Actually you know. He is a legend. He gets gets voted out here in this episode. It's very sad. In Colombia. The responsibility falls on Yule. I think he can really only blame himself. So first of all you will goes to window. And says hey. I don't like what happened last night. So not only. Does you'll express to window very honestly that their relationship is rocky now. Wendell knows that you will doesn't trust her. And that's really a bad thing to have happened in these reality shows is when someone knows. You don't trust them. Then you basically give them the green light to kind of go after you in. Turn this thing around so the boys are. The boys are sloppy here. This three one advantage is falling apart yet and this is something that I want to try and piece out here because I feel like like when I was watching I was blindsided by the fact that you will went home because it really felt like it shouldn't have happened but afterward I did like starting to think about it. I felt like maybe there was just a lot of misdirection in the edit over the last couple of episodes especially when it comes to Michelle and Wendell's relationship which like when they started on this when they got to the to the same tribe and I was immediately like well. Obviously Wendell is pulling Michelle in. She's going to be his closest ally but then I got tricked. I feel like I got tricked. By the edit. I bought into this whole like they don't like each other. Maybe as much. Maybe they won't work as closely together. Which is exactly what the players on the islander falling into that trap as well but I do wonder. I do wonder that that because also I feel like I've also been tricked by the surrounding nick where Nick said to us in the last episode directly said to US I. I thought I was going to the end with Wendell. Him and myself. He's my number one but I don't like when he's doing this thing with poverty. Offering fire tokens or whatever. And so they're trying to confessional was meant to like Mr Act like maybe he'll turn on Wendell but really when you look at it. It's him telling us no. Wendell is my number one and so if you put these pieces together it starts to look like the second this tribe swapped to these five people. It was always going to be Michelle. Wendell Nick that Wendell Nick are each other's number ones and then obviously window have a pre existing relationship whether it's rocky or not. That's still something that they can work with. We've seen XS work together on big brother before we've seen Lou hate each other but still have a pre existing relationship work together before the Taymor and candy for in particular on Big Brother Celebrity to and they worked that to their advantage. If you have a Bingo Square at home cross off a big brother celebrity references. I did not expect that to come up on the cast. That's that's in. What one for the toolbox. I feel it's relevant because they genuinely hated each other. They played up the fact that they had. They didn't even have to play it up because they genuinely got into fights but just knowing somebody. Outside of the context of the game is dramatically different than than like even just pre gaming relationships and so that bond. I think was always going to be a very very solid one especially in this spot before the merge and so when you look at it that way it starts. It starts to make a little more sense to me. You Know Michelle going to Wendell in the previous episode and saying hey is it alright if I vote your name down in order to trick poverty into thinking. I'm not working with. I'm not working with you. So I'll get her tokens and clearly. They made some kind of arrangement where he allowed her to do that and then she gave him. One of the fire tokens as payment. So yeah it feels clear to me that yeah right from the start it was. It was probably those three and there was probably some decision making that they probably still open to. Maybe we will get rid of Wendell. Maybe we'll pull you'll and but at the end of the day especially if you will acting the way he with Wendell acting the way he did it almost makes even more sense to keep him around because he's only going to make more of an ass of himself and more of a target of himself and that's good for them if this is their ticor group to the end. Yeah Taryn. Have you ever given currency to your exit just to make sure you know? Say Fifty Bucks to annex from like high school. Hey can I trash talk you in order to make money on a podcast? A don't worry I'll send you half the money I make fell just gives gives Wendell fire token here go ahead. Yeah that's what we're getting confessionals where Michelle says. I want to take down when no says don't put me on a leash. I bite you you know but then when you actually watch them. Interact gets a little harsh rough around the edges. But I think they're locked in for a while. Exactly Yeah I think. The the touchy feely kind of stuff. They're obviously going to rely on their previous relationship. An as a player who has come back and play the second time I can attest to. That is when you meet people in real life and then you're in a game situation with them that bond runs deep and is going to be more important than the person you met like a week ago so yes. La Interesting and then we see that Dr Dynamic and Michelle. Michelle tells us to that that she she says that Wendell thinks it's her and him to the end so again like I see. We often get these confessionals where we hear the truth but it's it's sort of framed in a negative way so it doesn't often like just pop out at us but she says straight up that basically she's saying. I have a final two very solid final with Wendell that he is fully invested in and he thinks that I'm fully invested in it but I'm not quite as fully invested in it as he thinks she still has a very solid final to them which is important. I think moving forward fetters. They've made window. The decoy booed twice in a row. Now and it's like okay. We've filled me once. Shame on me. Fool me twice shame. I don't know what they're saying is but you know what I mean. It's like okay. We I think we're in a Grayson now. That Michelle and Wendell are in this together for quite a while. That's what it appears to me at least a little fun dynamic. We're off to commercial. We come back and guess what back to edge of extinction. They are my favorite try. I will say I do that. I'll ask why audibly groaned like what what so just to follow. What's happened is episode edge to edge. Wait there's other tribes. We we need to check in with what's going on why they are amazing. But my God why are we back on the edge of extinction? I feel like Oh. I've been flipped. The flipped probst flips flipped me. He flipped me on. Fire Tokens now. And he's flipped me on edge for the winter season because I I'm actually pretty happy that I get to see these people. This scene between Ethan and poverty really really good and touching scene and then the the hunt for the fire tokens was also a fantastic. So I I'm those adjectives for actual survivor us the fantastic and edge. I see why it's good television but survivors better. I understand you is struggling and this is a great scene. I mean we're dealing with Ethan part two of the most charismatic people in the show's history. It is it is a great scene. It just non as good as survivor man. Give me surviving bro Boston. Raw vine-ripened fire tokens is just not what I signed up for. But it is what I get. It is good. It's just could be better. You know. And so. Yeah we see the scene with Harvey and Ethan. Really Touching Zine context big smiles these people are. Are they come across on camera very very very well? Eaten is concerned that he's doing some permanent damage to his body. Which I don't I don't think goodness I haven't had any cancer in my family and very uneducated on on a you know what cancer can do to your body but this seems like a concern that could be. You're really putting your body through hell here. Extinction is is Ethan. Perhaps giving his cancer a good opportunity to relapse. I don't I don't know I have no answer but it is a really touching scene where you can really sense. The pain desperation. Ethan's voice. Yeah and the fear in his eyes and he's he's on the verge of tears multiple times you can see it And like like it's it's one thing to be told to be told that he lives in fear every day of relapsing of this coming back which is sounds terrifying horrifying but you can see it in his face in this conversation that he he thinks about it all the time that. What if this is the thing that causes this causes it to come back and living with that kind of fear must be so difficult and poverty is there? She is doing her best to. What can you even say to this? I saw some people like. Oh she's telling him to do yoga and then fasting is good for him but like it's less about what she's saying more about like. I think the message that she's trying to give which is like I'm here for you like let's try and take your mind off of this. Let's try to think a little more positively and he tells us that like he really appreciates having poverty. They're talking to her gives him strength so You know I feel like trying to nitpick the specifics of the of the conversation is not really the right head space to be because I think what we saw was just a beautiful moment of two friends trying to support each other as much as they can really dire and and terrifying situation which which ethan is always in bed to is the music depressing. You can really sense the pain. That people are going through the also. This is a little little behind the scenes. They also shoot the shots differently. If you really pay attention to the shots of the people that are in the game and the shots of the people that are on the edge credit to the survivor production they actually they use some sort of different. Lens and sort of wide angle shot a television producer but they really zoom in on the face and you can see the imperfections scratches on the face and and it really does give a sense of of the pain that these people are going through and how hard it is. So it's an okay scene it's it's taken up time from some electric tribes sadly. But it's it's good. It's good and then Ethan goes and finds a little box. Everyone gets a little. Scroll and how here we go. Four four brand. New Fire Tokens are in play. And go get him. It's a race. Yeah Rub sprints away. A Tyson sprints away. Tyson tells US I know. Rob is a portly chap so. I know I'll be able to catch him so I get to the dead end that I know about and and I get. I get a fire token because I'm amazing. I think I think just even count everything else out Kevin Just the fact that I get to see you Tyson. More that alone is worth the price of extinction for me. Yeah I this is episode. Six right this is episode. Six seven number seven. Oh Okay it's episode seven Tyson. I would say if you had to go through every episode and find the funniest confessional. I think Tyson's like four for seven. Or maybe even five for seven. Like the best confessional. Every episode is from Tyson. The Dude is so funny. He's hilarious. The portly JAP from Boston. Raw was amazing. Funny thing about the scene that caught on a second watch and thanks to the note also last night. Is everyone leaves right? Apparently they were boiling rice and Poverty. Says what about the race if you see in one shot amber actually does stay behind rice. And that's the MOM. Amber has four girls. All of these kids on edge of ROB is like the child of family. He's off his Co. Kids there's a little piece of amber is brain. That is responsible. She takes the fire. The race off of the fire was really funny. That's a fun little. Catch the second re watch as much as I don't love the edge of extinction. I gotTA GIVE CREDIT TO THE LITTLE. Editing trickier really cool. This is really fun. So from the audience's perspective we see Tyson fire token and then we'll see chaos. We see them all running around. We don't know who is talking. This is nice. I love when the audience is actually kept in the dark and then we've a flashback and we will learn ooh Mr Basarab actually cooped up three of four. It was yeah and it was such a coup to like That HE I don't. I still don't even understand fully how he managed to do that. The one guy was able to get three of them and so he explains like I just. I just went there. I just grabbed them and then I knew what they looked like so is able to grab him again in front of me and he didn't even see all the all the while before we see him. Explain he's Tyson has already shown people and he's been like this is what it looks like. It looks like what like? Where did you find it? Was it in a tree and entices didn't find any did you? And he's like no and he like pulls down his shorts like like say like look. I got nothing. Start Frisking people. And then he's like yeah. Nobody knows but I got them all lot of lot of stripping this year a lot of closed a lot of lot of mood nece. Lot of searching rob is the TSA this man. He's rips. Everyone knows nothing can get by. Rav. He is a big fan of everyone. Exposed their secrets. Phil interesting yet. So yeah rob gets three or four. Which is impressive. We get we get a cocky little confessional and rob is a legend. Absolutely says battened seven fifty. I'm the best that ever played from Boston. Rav Four. We're in the majors. Before I went back to the survivor analyst I went to find some survivors. Stats turn rob is one of five. He's five times he's won once batting point to. He's which is good. He's betting twenty percent you know. He's not batting fifty the metric that we used analyzed grain is. I think is wins divided by times play. That's the metric. I use that I think is the most important. One and rob is a legend. But like come on man you're on edge of extinction and you're gonNA talk trash. There should be a ruler. Not Allowed to talk trash on the edge of extinction. You gotta you gotTa be in the game to talk trash thing going forward. Technically hasn't lost the season yet could win and the crazy thing is like. He's actually a favourite to come back and I think he has the best chance from edge extinction. You're right you're right. He might go. You might go to a five but it's like you got voted up all right so when we look at Rob's record do we give him like half credit for for all stars forgiving himself his wife. You're right there is some bed. The metric the metric of wins divided by times played. Win percentage is not a great metric. There's definitely some but it's one of the best ones we have. You know he didn't win. Needed all stars. You didn't win. He got second Okay so we move on to call which is just consistent league. One final note. Oh yes one final note to wrap up the edge and then we don't have to talk about it anymore. It is great television but the rest of the season so electric The episode title. Yep So title is actually were in the majors. It comes from Boston Rob. Let's make another room no episode titles from edge of extinction. Let's it's just not a thing. Okay very very anti edge berry anti edge and I can sense the you're not as edges he used to be and I'm like lips probes flips. Me I'm sorry man it's just me. It's just me preaching from the rafters all right. We're in the majors. Was the title episode. Let's keep that away from edge extinction going down and dirty dancer in the chat says the title should have been portly fellow and I agree portly chapter. I believe it was funny. Yeah so we're we're off to own. This is a fun group. I liked this group. Best Group to call has consistently been the happiest try. They're always like playful even after the most throat. Move the season happens. They're still just like happy. Go lucky this is. This is a tribe and there's something to be said for. I think they're eating really well over there. Wendell built that amazing shelter to call. I think they're sleeping pretty well so just to break down who this is because I know this can get confusing. Especially if you're listening to an audio call is a four person tribe. Remember Sandra. Just got blindsided by Denise so now we have Jeremy and denise from former Sela and we also have Tony and Kim from former to cause seems to be a bit of a two to split here and we have a scene where Tony's running around the beach like an old man so they'll having fun but account cells to Kim. Says I want to run. Tony starts up at sprint. And then Jeremy's just like he was like an old man man. It was really good and they have a little chat on the beach. About how denise took out the Queen and we didn't talk about last last week's episode. I think it's pretty clear that the double play was was pretty epic but maybe a small mistake. Maybe you just play the idol on Yourself Denise. Keep another one in your pocket. There's definitely an argument that because now she looks like she's a little bit of a bad essentially but he's definitely relationship. She's got some relationships. I don't know I don't know if if you how how how how deeply you dove into that move but something that we sort of discovered after. The fact Cassandra talked about it was Sandra because in the episodes portrayed a Sandra. Try and get Tony Out. But actually Sandra was telling denise use the idol and vote Jeremy Out. Oh which is why denise felt like well obviously. Andrew's going to put a vote on Jeremy just in case because she wants him out so I'll need to play the idol on Jeremy just in case in order to make sure that my move goes through and if she plays the idol and Sandra does the correct thing and puts Jeremy. Then she just tried to betray. Sandra still loses Jeremy and now is completely screwed a little more sense. I can see where that's coming from and to call group is a really fun group. Now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Working remotely can be a challenge especially for teams. That are new to it. How do you deal with your work? 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And now we're only on spotify if you want. Obviously we'd never force anyone to just blindly bad be crazy but if you like stories about doomsday cults who do exactly that and more please on spotify visit spotify dot com slash last podcast to listen free and we're back. Let's get back to the show. I tweeted about this six. Jeremy has always been one favorite player of mine and I made the decision this week. He is my number one favorite player of all time survivor history or any seasons. Jeremy is my favorite player of all time. I love this guy made. Are you see what he's doing this season? Are you kidding me dude? This dude is a survivor. Professional man just to recap Jeremy's journey. He loses his good friend. Natalie and obviously there's some good play there they targeted as a pair. Nellie takes the fall. And he instantly doesn't overreact. He's cool as a cucumber gets back into good graces. Look at this spot. He's in men I wrote on. This tribe wants to work with him fore tribe. Tony wants to work with Jeremy because they want to keep shields around. Kim wants to work with Jeremy. They're always having conversations. Denise just played an idol on Jeremy and Jeremy has fire tokens. He has safety without power. He in my opinion is the favourite. Win this game right now. He's the number one horse betting lines in Vegas. He would be number one spot right now. This guy is awesome allies discuss. I think you're completely right. I think that I for a while. I've been saying I feel like Sophie is in the best spot in the game. I think that Jeremy might have overtaken her. We'll definitely need see what happens when the merge comes but he is in a very killer spot that the reason why. Sandra wanted to take Jeremy out she said was because she was jealous of his relationship with Tony and so she wanted to remove Jeremy so that Tony Wasn't going to flip on her to go with Jeremy. And so and Denise said. I'd rather take out Sandra Than Jeremy. So so yeah so we see we see. Toni T. talks to us. He says he feels good with Kim and Jeremy but now he's happy that Denise has made herself a big target with the big move on Sandra. She's dethroned the Queen with her own bullet half price for that bullet to denise. You're a legend. This is great. You'll be targeted. Just like us. And so she's now like fulfil like she submitted her resume and Tony has accepted into the lion club. She is no longer Hyena. She is now one of the lions but Jeremy Doesn't love that because he was like really good in Tony as big target but now if there's other big targets well then it's not as good and he. I think Jeremy feels like denise okay. She's improved her target status for sure but this Guy Tony. He's still the biggest threat on this island. I'm not I'm not taking my eye off of this guy so we know we know that Jeremy is. He's in tight with Tony. Tony seems to trust him. But Jeremy is he's eljay. He's not he's not going to take off the ball or sure. And that's what makes Jeremy so good as he has these relationships and he just knows how to play them. So well I take your. I WanNa hear what you landed this this. I don't know if there's a heartache but I'm GONNA throw it out there. I believe this to be true. I believe this to be true. Safety without power is better than an idol. I would rather have safety without powder than an immunity. Outta what's your take. Would you agree? Would I agree? I think they have different value in different circumstances. Why what is what is the proposal here overall value. So if I'm on the game production can either hand me. Saved without power or an idol. I take safety without power. Obviously it depends on the situation but as blame rule. I think it's a better advantage. That's why auction a there's safety without power noah fire. That alone solves it. It's the now in the world that I don't know of fire back in the day. If you neidl you a one hundred percent chance to survive that round and survive another three days and that to me is the most important thing in survivor is. You need to do everything possible to survive the current round. Your I know people say they WANNA say yourself for the future but the game is so fast paced and changes so much. I think the main mentality should be survived three days at a time. Do whatever you can to make it through the round. So Jeremy in his pocket has a power that will one hundred percent allow him to move forward. So I think that's clear as well reason be why it's better than an idol is because especially on the season voting for people is actually not that great. I'll tell you why because once you vote someone out they go to extinction island. They sit there. They dwell. They're pissed those are the jury members they come back so the fact that Jeremy can say. I'm good I'm out of your at anytime peace out. He doesn't have to vote for someone which I think is a benefit. He doesn't have to make an enemy he gets a let everyone have a messy tribal comeback. Pick pieces so yeah. Idols are cool. But I think this is more powerful. Yeah I I think those are fair points. I think that. Take the nullify or away. I think that I think the idol gives you more options but the safety without power is more useful in specific circumstances so I could go either way but I think the biggest point there is the yes I. I didn't think about this. Idols can be nullified. Power Safety without power cannot be nullified. That alone I think is tips the scales dramatically in favor of safety without power for sure. It's interesting I had thought I it down. I don't know if that's hard taken the community but I'm pretty pretty sure on that. Stance of safety without power is is is better We go to Kim Spradlin. Who Hymns rallied? A little bit men and I was worried. He was also one of my favorite of all time. She got off to a bad start. It seems like she's rallied. It seems like she's back first of correct me if I'm wrong. She has her idol still yes and now she has options. And this is Prime Kim sprouted Kim's Spradlin with options is this is one world. Kim Spradlin was about having options and taking the best. One actually tweeted that the best do survive. Histories is Kim's rattling and options and I got that I got that Kim's Looming made me very happy when in its that so yeah. Kim's talking about options Kim has some came. Could say with Tony from the call with Kim and denise are really really on the same page or they have some really good conversations and this is. This is the moment where again. He just reminds me of survivor. Fan Fiction we're in right now. You know to have been beast and Kim locking in hearing and making a run at this thing is just so amazing. This is crazy. This is different eras. These are different seasons all coming together in one beautiful beautiful season and people people are. There's a lot of people in the community. That are worried that we're going to have a game changer. Downside because game changers we lost all the legends and the way in some people you know not to throw names with Troy Zan and fan favorites. Sierra Don Thomas like we had some weak members in there. There's no week members in this cast. I'm still super pumped. We have lots of people I would like to see more but the remaining twelve we have. It's like bring it on. This is not gonNA be game changers. We are going to have an electric finish. And I'm I'm very excited. Yeah it seems like Denise and Kim Really WanNa make this together. Yeah well yeah well. I mean what we hear from from Kim is she talks to Jeremy she says I really WanNa make sure that we're we're on the right footing heading into the merge if we're off for off when we had in I feel like we'll just get picked off. I don't want that to happen. She tells us that she feels good. She Loves Tony. But she really likes. Jeremy Andy's Jeremy in particular she could be convinced just because you could be convinced to go with Jeremy. If that's the way things went Mr she likes having options and feeling in control again. She talks with denise she says that the same conversation we need head into the merge with the right plan. Denise seems very much on board with her denise I feel like there's a solid three with me Jeremy and Kim there are big targets very small places and I'm just here to play like everyone else says denise now there. I think we got a little bit more clarity on the situation in a secret. Seen from cam she said in a secret seen that she really wanted to win immunity because it will limit her options. If she has to send denise home or Tony Home. Yeah which tells me that. She's very solidly with Jeremy. That denise the primary option to send home but Tony is a secondary option to send home just based on the way. She said that right. So that seems to be where Kim stands and great for. Kim also. Great for Jeremy that that he has I mean. These two together is a quite the dynamic duo so so that seems to be where we are with with the call tribe then we head over to what seems like the complete opposite of the call. Yar a check the green Dr Yell. Hello Yaar just to set this up for. Everyone has four people we have. Sarah and Sophie were a duo and Adam and band who are. I love the Atom Ben Relationship. It's one of my favorite relationships of the whole season. It's so funny. It's so bad and so funny adamant banner not on the same page here. Yeah right away the Great Line from Sofi. She says that we don't usually have leftovers on survivor. But we're eating the peanut butter and Jelly. And I'm hoping the peanut butter can stick us together a little more because there's been some real tension bubbling beneath the surface in this drive for the stage for the Adam and Ben Bickering about. Where's the idol? Where is it? Where's this Dinah? Whereas you've found a million miles. Bendy the idol. We have a really great dynamic. Your first of all ben does a little peanut butter jelly peanut butter jelly. And we've seen this Ben a couple of times where he was dancing Benz loose out there. He's fun- he's Betty's fun. This season come on man and the survivor community is like Ben had a week win. I put him as one of the weakest winners. First Time. He's fun though man. He's fun this season. I'm so happy he got on because he's playing loose and and I also think Ben Stock is rising vary a great episode last week when he talked about overcoming the challenge of Boston rob which is the time. He looked the most foolish this season with Boston rob but he was able to become the winner of that sort of battle and then it seems like he is definitely a lot more in with Sophie and Sarah Than Atom is that Adam was the one who is in danger if this tribe lost and it seems like that is part of the tension between Adam and Ben now as Ben is now firmly with Sarah and Sophie and Adams is like kind of annoyed about that and feels interrogated about this idol situation. Just want to say if if my tone on this podcast is ever aggressive. Please let me know you I. I think we can podcast. We can podcast like this as a fun scene. When Ben Inflated his voice like that that was really enjoyable. Seed added there. The communication is bad between Adam. Abed no I contact atoms looking away on the same page trusting so I mean we kind of saw this happening remember so when we swapped tribes. This was a five person tribe an Atom Ben and Rob. We're all from the original selley and they had no trust and sure enough. Those three have fallen apart so credit to Sarah Anne Sophie who got swapped the minority and if basically ran the show. These two girls are in charge of this Dr. Right now they're advantages. They got all the tools they did it through their own social game place so I have to. I have to come in. Preseason Saraceno is very low in my risk on my list in terms of win equity. I was wrong Sarah. Listen I apologize. You Are Star. You are a survivor professional. Oh my God I was underrating you. You are very good at this game. I had it wrong amazing. She's an incredible player. Top Top twenty top fifteen. Maybe even top ten all time. I'm that's how good she is playing. This yeah and I feel like I don't know if it's bad luck if it's coincidence because we're we're both we both Love Adam. We both hung out with Adam love and I love that. He's one of my best buddies in life in real life. I love the show coming to roll like the the first time you're on was the time like he really screwed up with with Boston. Rob And now this time just looked so foolish in this in this episode. Where he says. He says he is so confident. He's convinced that between Ben and Sarah they have an idol. They're only pretending to look for it. Which is frustrated with? He says there's a chance. I'm wrong and if I am I'll feel like an idiot. But there are a few times and survivor. I've felt confident about something as I do about this band. Sarah. It's one of them. They have the idle. And it's just like why why? Why go out on a limb like that Adam? Was these three people that don't have it. Oh man this first of all atom atom does come across looking a little silly and I said this last time and I said this. This time the survivor community is pretty hard on atom. Right now. He's in a little bit social media. Hate I don't like the CNN because remember Adams a one time player one time winner. He won the game. You got a million bucks. And he's still alive on the edges. Here it's been scrappy. It's been messy. But he's still in the game he's GonNa make the merge there's a chance so to say out of is a bad survivor player is completely insane and some people are are going with that narrative. It's it's mind boggling. He's a very good at this game. But there's been some tough moments. The thing is read. Here's idol is found. That is correct. The idol is found. You just doesn't know exactly where it lies and the one person seems like yes trusts on this. Little tribe is Sophie which is Sophie Sophie. Sophie is number two in my spot in terms of win equity if I had to rank everyone I think Jeremy's one sophie's number two and think Kim just got number three which is crazy considering how bad Kim started this game but yeah so Adam Adams getting spun around in circles in the strive right now and uh emerged coming up is going to be very important for him to reset. Yeah and there's there's a series of events here where Adam as sophie about you know. He thinks that Sarah or the idol. And then Sofi Tell Sarah about it and so then Sarah Confronts Adam like hey. I don't want any rumors going into the merge that I have an idol that I don't have atoms like now I have to do damage control when I'm convinced that they're the ones lying to me. It's ridiculous and this. This whole tribe appears to be a big mass and I have a feeling that I mean they all all four of them seem to have like big roles in the game. But I don't think these people are sticking together. No No. I've never been could stick with Sarah and Sophia. I don't see atoms sticking with them and you can sense. This is why my heart broke a little bit for Adam. Is He still in the game? But the way these three talk to them. It's not I have a tough time describing it. They're annoyed with them. They don't respect him and which is really not good for survivor man. If you lose people's respect you can be the enemy but like someone like Rick David's. He he was the enemy. They respected him if he got the Andy was going to win. It's going to be tough for Adam to note and navigate host a host merge. And if he gets the final free I mean. How's he going to turn this narrative around? How is he going to get this group winners to vote from his winner? It's just it seems like even on his own. Sally is New Yard tribe. He's lacking respect and it breaks my heart because I think is when equity is very low right now and it's so sad is one of my best buddies in life and I think he's an awesome survivor player. Just I don't see a path for Adam to get a second a second. W here on. Fortunately Yeah I WANNA be clear like I think he looks foolish in the episode but like as far as the game has gone. I don't think he's done anything. Dramatically foolish I think that he made he definitely made a mistake on original with rob situation. I think that he was trying to get somewhere and just to embarrass and it fell apart. But it wasn't like it wasn't like a Sandra level mistake and then and then here like yeah. He has the misread on. Who has the idol? And that's not great but it's not like a game ending misread. It just looks very foolish and it makes them look at him. Look like like a fool on on the show so it's more of like a bad look than I think. It is like evidence that he's a bad player although they are still mistakes. And that's still something to account for the best thing for Adam right now. Burge get with Nick. Get with Wendell get with Michelle. Get with some of these new players that understand his vibe a little bit more because he needs to reset he needs to find a group that respect him and trust him and he just doesn't have that right now on your so an upcoming merge would be Brat I think so too but I do wonder like does he fit in there. Because it's so Sarah that have the original too call connections to Wendell and and Nick and Adam and Michelle did not leave off on the best of terms on original SELA so I don't know if he fits in there which means he has to maybe try for Jeremy who also wasn't on the best of terms with him Unoriginal then where does he go to Tony? Maybe but he's not exactly a big target so I don't have. Tony wants to work with them. I just don't know where he signed with. Bradley has options. Adam Klein has very little options. Yeah it seems to squint. I'm trying to. I'm trying to figure out because I've love. Excuse me I love this guy man. And it's just these in terms of like twelve people in the game if I was straight win equity. He's he's number. Twelve Elliott or number. Eleven but I. I think he's yeah only in at. This point is denise who I think he managed to at least somewhat. I don't know where they left off. We never really heard from denise how she felt about the whole Adam situation did seem like he was the next one to go on original salad so I can't imagine it's a fantastic relationship but at least it's something and then maybe if niece can help him get in with some people if they need some numbers. I feel like that's really the only path forward here at this point but we also don't know who's coming back from edge and how that changed things socially we got some game left at an atom like I said I think he's a very capable player. He's always played from bottom position like he's never been a dominant player. He's always been kind of like like like dodges roles with the punches player. So I you know as long as the game. I think he's always got a shot but I do poker. We have a term. It's called a chip and a chair. If you have a chip in poker tournament you still get dealt cards. You're still playing. You have a shot Adam is still delta and is just a short stack. He needs a good run of advantages. He needs a good run in challenges. Needs something needs to pick up the aces a couple of times and Double up so he has a chip share. It's just it's looking grim though it is it's looking grim immunity challenge and say. I was really looking forward to because we've had some big reactions at the immunity challenge from like people got motive. Boston rob huge reaction. Everyone was like what so I was like waiting. Like poverty and Sandra. Sandra has to be a massive blondes. Even even if poverty was kind of expected no response. We don't we don't get any reaction. Could I good point where did that? I didn't I didn't even think of that. Where was the reaction non? We didn't even see the pro. We never heard say they get in the first first chance to look at the other tribes. We didn't completely cut out deleted reward challenge. Oh that's right. They mentioned this. No one else. There was a reward challenge. That didn't make the episode. I forgot about that either either. Put rewarded with immunity or we don't need to see reward. This is not enough time I prefer extinction. Tharoor charge tear. As long as they're lose my my My reaction you really got flipped on edge. I flipped on fire. Tokens edges still not doing it for me. All right well. We're we're off to the challenge. There are retreive before people have so. No one sits out standards fitting. Sandra is now gone now. No one should sit on her throne the Sydow Bench that knowing to sit out here and we got the old saucer. Challenge throwback to David Versus Goliath where we had a legendary tribe really botched this. Remember this tribe down Angelina Nick Mike White and was that was the fourth lear so I can't remember who the fourth was. It's possible I was it was it Natalie. Cole can't remember this is A. This is a throwback where they historically and that David versus Goliath. They lost the challenge in historic fashion. And is the biggest blow in survivor history. By the way jeff uses biggest blood survivor history. Quite a few times now. We've got a very heavy saucer. You gotTA fill it up with water. You gotta drop the puzzle pieces and then you've got to solve. This puzzle. Looked a little easier. This one looked puzzle then some other ones difficult part was like fitting it in whole as we saw to it that people have noticed during this challenge which is that well when transferring the big saucer for the. Yarra tribe that people have noticed that Sophie's shorts disappeared and reappeared as they were crossing the balance beam in trick up on that. That's smart and there's a clip of it. It's date is it's. It's a bit shocking. What happened to her shorts? How did she pull them off and then put them back on well on balance? I The only explanation I have here is that it actually took more than one trip for your and probably more than two trips for the other tribes and so but but that's that was redundant and the challenge. They wanted to cut for time. Something similar happened in the premier challenge where they actually went more rounds than we saw in the episode. And so that would that would be my guest. That just took out one of his head. Whoever found that well done I watched the episode twice. And I didn't see that that's really because I really. I had written down that the one trip from Yarra. They went slow and steady and they got the job done. But you're you're right. I guess it's more that's so interesting. Gets the pieces I they solve. The puzzle is his first Sophian. Ben Destroy the puzzle and under reported story. I tweeted his like Sophie. Clark is now the challenge vs Holy Moly. She's killing the challenges this year. She's been graded puzzles. She's being good at the challenges but now she she killer in original season. That's how she won the game. I know but like I knew she was good but she's darling good. She's good she's great. These challenges puzzles physical. She's she's an amazing tribe. Challenge performance. Unbelievable I wrote that down. It's like she is a Rockstar. At these things yeah I with you gone. You know I feel like I. My my loyalties are torn. I feel like there are still some people left that I really WanNa see when obviously many of them but like really really WanNa see. Jeremy is definitely one of them so we really really one of them. I really WANNA see Sofie Do I really love her on the season. I'm just like I'm pulling for. She's she's she's good at challenges. She's great at the social game. She's she's holding onto that idol and her confessionals are funny man. I don't remember it's officer. I don't remember Sophie being funny on South Pacific. I guess there's a couple of confessionals about brand enhance. That were amusing. But like she's hilarious. I'm a big fan of Sophie this year. Ben Very good at the challenge and then yeah we have. We HAVE THE CALL. Get second by just a second here. Denise Nurmi were on the puzzle and they get it in just the Nicot time before. Michelle and Wendell missiles challenged by just a second and this interest. Explain this I explained. I think I understand but Wendell was calling jeff over because he knew the puzzle was almost done. Correct that's what it seemed like. They did talk about. This is where like. There's so much talk about Wendell screwing up and if Wendell had kept his eye on the prize more that they definitely would have oneness. But I don't like I don't know where that comes from stupid narrative because you mean I mean he. He wasn't talking trash. He was getting Jeff to come over because remembering ghost island exactly. Because he didn't call the puzzle. He finished the challenge ahead of Laurel and ghost island. You didn't call Jeff already lost because so now he's he's calling jeff overhead. It's I've smart even pointed out that calling. Jeff over also makes the other tribe panic another secondary benefit. So this is so. There's also this narrative that they lost the challenge because of Wendell but I watched the tape. Michelle falls down it. Do you WanNa talk about losing the challenge by his second down and she gets up with no hassle. No she was very lethargic. Is he wasn't what are you talking about? Michelle? You lost a challenge. I couldn't get over this. It didn't make any sense that they were blaming the way I was confused about that too because they all ran over the balance beams and then Michelle falls and then just get straight up and then runs the rest of the way not on the balance beam and so it was like did they not have to run on the balance beams at all. In which case. Why were they or did they have to? And why does Michelle get a pass and not have to go back or at least come back up on the balanced to finish it out? I agree that it was used. Southall's falls down. She gets up. She's chatting to Jeff and Sheila she. She was out for an afternoon job so that she was blaming window was Kinda mind boy. I don't know where that game from. John Sorry go ahead. I guess it's possible like because they seem so convinced that this was one of those fault. I guess it's possible that like there was something more that was cut out but but I don't know why they wouldn't have included that. You know who knows? Wendell's definitely cocky cocky and it was worse it was worse than the previous challenge. This Jeff Quick note is like challenges have been good this year. Old Strategy of survivor is the best in the best content. But like yeah. I crunched the challenge. Pinson good challenges. I've been I've been digging the challenges this year and one final note here that I love. This is my favorite. So -gratulations sally congratulations. Congratulations Jarrah. Congratulations to call you an immunity and then so it's Jeff in the four losing members of cell and he's like this is. My favorite part is like nick. How does this feel because we've ever? You lost this challenge twice. Now he's like remember. You lost last side once again. He just rubs it in. He's just like you. You really suck at this challenge. Buddy love win. Get Sassy and rubs little celtics. I love when Jeff becomes not too much. I love when Jeff definitely gets some insults. Jeff Jeff Jeff is good also jealous doing awesome this year man. A couple the previous season's thirty nine thirty eight. It's like is jeff checking out a little bit like there was no enthusiasm is facial expressions. Weren't smiling every time there's a shot of Jap it just looks like. He's BB because obviously this. All winter season is incredible but like credit to jeff for bringing some Some energy this series awesome. I've never seen jeff happier than at tribal when you'll is talking about how great the fire tokens are and deficits like scrape. Game isn't it. He's never had a more genuine very happy. Pleased smile on his face and his life his so happy about it. So I tweeted an apology to Jeff. And we were all wrong about the fire. Tokens the tokens have definitely definitely come through in terms of the show we have. We have cell Going back to tribal we have again. Selley is nick this free poise and Michelle and I would have preferred some other tribes going to try why they're more interesting dynamics but like. I'm down for this. We got back to back tribals for this group. Yeah and you know what like I? I felt like if if your had lost we'd be losing Adam and I was like I don't WanNa lose atom to call it loss. I thought at the time that we'd probably lose Tony. I don't know if that was the right read or not but I was like. I don't know I definitely want to lose Tony. I was actually Kinda like I feel SAFEST ABOUT SELA. I feel like I feel safe. I feel like we're not going to lose your right like you'll should be safe and that was. Because I was tricked. The misdirection got me. I should have seen the writing on the wall there but I was rooting for free. Call to our to beat this. La Because I was like I don't lose Tony and now it's like again. What COST ALEC? What have I done? And that's a credit to Robin and Steven they've been on over. This all year is like when you when you go to our strives. To three tribes. It's like bigger names. Get taken out. There's less options left left. There's less room to play when you're dealing with a tribe of five or four. It's like yes some heads are roll. The legends are going to get taken out because like what other options are there if you have a tribe of seven eight nine or ten. Then there's some room to move there's some chaos and I'm ready for the merge as the next time we're going to the merge I love it every time for the merge eleven people let's get this thing messy. Let's see some chaos. I'm down for it. I'm really glad we're leaving. These last couple of episodes have been good. That's good content great season. But I'm really happy that we're going to go to the merge. I think it's perfect time for. I really thought that like it felt to me like the perfect time was. Was this episode. Even split of four people on each tribe as you head into a situation where each tribe is of equal strength. And there's three of them and what does that do for the dynamics and it felt like the right time and they had to go one more and just play what car we go from. You'll maybe the winner of the season to you'll pre merge oh that hurts the fact that they lost the challenge by a second and then you'll goes out is it hurts. It hurts badly but It's still a very very good episodes. Yeah so yeah we we go to commercially. Comeback Wins Well Sally's officer tribal and this is really interesting. This is a little inside. Baseball in my mind was thinking. Do you remember the we have a shot of this praying Mantis you remember? This ended our an intense shot of this praying mantis eating another insect and I turned to peel on the couch. And I said I've said that's on purpose. The editors put that in there on purpose and I had a little conspiracy theory in praying Mantis. 's there insects after they made. It is usually common for the female to eat the males. Pretty Pretty disgusting. They may have babies than the husband gets eaten as food and I thought that was on purpose. I really thought Michelle was GONNA get Wendell. I thought that was in there on purpose as a reference to Michelle turning on her former lover Wendell and taking them out and Boy that prediction could not have been more wrong. But I think I think it still has some some relevance. I think that this is a story. It's just that it's going to be lasting longer. I think Michelle will eventually eat. Wendell should eventually what's going to happen. A just delaying the inevitable at this point. Yeah I made the call and sadly sadly what what happens here man. How how do you will nick and Wendell just mess this up? So much specifically you'll so we see a conversation. You and nick talk about voting window and it is because of the challenge. She was shoveling during the challenges. Cocky is obviously here for himself when those not very much of a team player so really seems like you'll and Nick Nick is entertaining it. But you gotTa Think. Nick is lying in this. Obviously based off the result. Yeah and again. That's why I feel like I could be wrong because we didn't. We don't really see a lot of evidence for this here but it does feel like to me that like right away. What this tribe did was. They were like you. Wendell is like Michelle is with me. Like she's with us one hundred percent always and so right away it was like poverty is the odd one out and then when they go to tribal and it goes down the way it does and Michelle gives a fire token to to Wendell I think at that point you will start to probably become a little bit worried like hold on. You'll is more loyal to wet too are sorry. Wendell is more loyal to Michelle than he is to me. I always knew that Michika that that nick and Wendell we're very tight because it was a there was a four summit was you'll and Sophie and then Wendell a nick and so from my perspective. I think that what you'll is doing makes a lot more sense when you start to look at it from this perspective of you'll probably new. I'm in trouble here. This is not by old tribal lines anymore. This is these two are in a relationship or were in a relationship and are very very tight. And then so nick is very tight with with. Wendell and we all wanted to stick together. You can see the disappointment. And is he really wanted the four of them to stick together? He did not want to have to lose. You'll but so it felt like at that point you'll is trying to just be like okay. Who is the best person for me to target amongst these three? It seems like the most amount of trouble is with Wendell. And so the Wendel is if you look at it from the perspective of a tight. Three and went. And you'll is on the outs. And he's trying to find the crack then makes a little more sense. What he's doing when he's like trying to get them to go against Wendel. Don't go with him. Choose ME INSTEAD But obviously this is. It's not gonNA work out for him. It does not. We're here for him and doesn't just seemed like you will. Nas lost the narrative a little bit. It really seemed like he lost focus. You really got obsessed with these. Fire Tokens we'll so this is is an interesting thing that I think is is something to talk about here. You'll ask Michelle like. Are you down to vote Wendell? And she's like like it's not like it's basically not a great reason like she says yes but it's not a great response and then she's Kinda like distant and he's like are you okay. Is Everything all right because this is bad news for you'll if she's not with him and she's like I'm just. I'm just concerned about this fire token because I gave him a fire token and now I'm Gonna I'm GonNa vote 'em out. She's lying to him right now. I'm GonNa vote him out. I'M GONNA lose my fire token and so I took this scene to mean like from us. Perspective like okay. Well if if she's telling me the truth and like this is causing her to consider keeping you Wendell over me so that she doesn't lose that fire token then how about this. What if I present to scenario to you where we get to keep his fire tokens as a way of like keeping her on board but again? That's that's entirely based on my read of where you will was at the time. Hopefully we'll be able to find out from you. What are your thinking. The way that edit portrayed it definitely was a lot more in line of like you're getting lost in the plot of the fire tokens and I think that's also a valid read on the situation. But I want to present like an alternative thing because it felt like things didn't make complete sense the way it was portrayed so I feel like if you look at it from a different perspective things of make more sense but but it's still. It's still hard because we don't not seeing. That's a good. That's a good breakdown. That would make a little more sense because it does seem like you'll get a little he he. He wants them to vote Wendell and they want to pretend that Michelle's not into it. And then so. Wenda will give his Tokens Michelle. And then. Maybe you'll get a fire token it just felt a little face. It's like that's that's the thing. I don't even know what this plan was like. It was fully described in the episode. Because it doesn't actually make a Lotta sense the way it was described where it's basically like you tell. Wendell that you're going to vote with Wendell against me but then actually don't do that. Why would that do anything? Why would that he would just feel like he just got stabbed? It would make him. I feel less likely to give fighters so was the plan. Perhaps that Michelle was supposed to actually vote with Wendell and then have nick. Vote with you'll and have it be a tie and then make window pissed at Nick and then have Michelle like flip on the ties. Sorry I can't draw rocks. And then maybe at that point window like there's a chance that Wendell gives his tokens to Michelle. But like that's the only thing I can think of based on what little we saw but there had to be more to this plan because the base plan that we saw just doesn't make any sense at all your narrative of three versus one. And then you'll was throwing shit at the fan just trying to make something happen then. Thanks a little more sense because what survivor one again from someone who's been replaced ever. I guess I I would assume that like your whole mission should be to survive around same thing on big brother survivor. Your whole goal is like yes you need to plan for the future but you also just need to survive the round. You need survive the weaker the three days. Whatever it is on Big Brother or survivor and so the fact that these players are putting so much emphasis into these fire tokens and they don't even know what they are. It seems like a couple of these players are getting their heads spun around because of these. The game is still survive. Game is just survive right and also if you go into the merge with lots of fire tokens. Isn't that GONNA put a target on your back. Isn't that an easy thing to throw us like? Hey Man Michelle's Gerald has four fire tokens. We're going to just let her you know. Isn't it in a way having zero if I can? Firefighter Tokens lowering your threat level. Like I think maybe. The players rate of the fire tokens which sounds kind of crazy or just keep water too. You definitely don't want to be the richest person you don't WanNa be the billionaire. You don't WanNa have the most of this market economy because that's going to put a massive target on back. Then you're right it might turn. It might turn into other advantages. It it does seem like these. Fire Tokens are ruining some people's game. Here I hope that they they do become valuable. Because I think that we're seeing a lot of fun stuff from them based on an anticipation value. But if we see that anticipation like falter right. Then I think that we won't people won't care about them in the future if they bring them back into future seasons because like oh well it costs. Five Fire Tokens to my one idol. Then they're actually not that valuable because it's very difficult to get five and so whatever but if they are like really valid if it's like one for one or that's too much like If if they do become like really valuable in the game then we'll get we'll get to continue to see if they continue to bring this this concept back people. Overplay get greedy. Try to get too. Many fire tokens stuff like that. So I do like this concept but I think they have to follow through on it. I think it's pretty safe to say especially now that production for future seasons has been postponed. And we've had a chance to digest the season. It'll be a while until new survivor's produced I bring it on the fire tokens. We're going to see a run of seven or eight seasons potential. Here with fire Tokens Douglas. And I am for it. I really want to see how this plays out. And so these are the dynamics of the tribe we get an interesting confessional from Michelle and survivor. Where did you find this music? Did you hear that visa? Karen always awesome. I loved it so I do a podcast on American injure warrior as well and there is a especially in the last season that we watched. There's something on that show. That has pretty much become a rule which is anytime they play actual music like licensed actual music. That's not their generic theme music. Whatever they over a certain athletes run. That person always succeeds in the episode. And so like we used to talk about like the helicopter aerial shot the winner shot of like somebody talking about their family and how much the game means to them and they're standing in a field and there's a scissors helicopter shot and be the winter like this really felt like over the top. This is the theme of the season. This is what played in the premier. And it's playing over Michelle and a key moment for her like and the praying mantis metaphor. Like this feels like a big moment on the season and I definitely would not be surprised. If Michelle Fitzgerald is is is our winter. Whoa I would say I have all the love in the world for Michelle. I I don't know if I would call her shot just about now. Seems a little premature meantime. I think that I think that she's up there especially losing you'll in this in this episode off with one of the main contenders there's now more space open for it. And she just got this really dramatic like with nobody else has got this music the music datum client by the way. There's no way we're GONNA save in the circus so like I said. The helicopter shot is no longer an indicator of winners. And like they you know. They gave it to people who didn't win the game and so sometimes they really over the top for players. That don't end up winning. But I think that when we started the season we want a couple of episodes without really seeing much of anything from Michelle and now I feel like she is a contender really top tier character on the on the season where he could could end up winning the whole thing and her position. Isn't that bad either? I think I think Wendell is definitely a much bigger target in front of her but if she goes down to the end with him she would win a jury vote over him so. I feel like my the odds of Michelle. Winning this game have gone up considerably over the last few episodes and this one in particular is Michelle. Give her some love me. Give her some love. She's playing great. You see here in these conversations cheesy great social player. She's engaged in every conversation I contact and she has when you look at it on paper. It was three one three vs one. She should have been dead and she not only. He's not dead. She wasn't even an option. She wasn't even on the tables and option to give voted out which is incredible. It's just a credit to how good she is at Sur- survivor in you know I. I don't think she had to really prove anything for her. Winning in Carolina Chelsea felt like she had to like. There's obviously some insecurity there with a lot of confessionals. Now she's saying I'm proving to myself that I earned the win. She's definitely up there in terms of contention. I I don't think I would make my winner. Pick IT UP. Pick at the moment. But I think Michelle's in it for the long haul. She's playing some rape rape rape survivor. She she had another great episode. Move SAYS I a couple of times in a row. She's she's doing really well and she should be very proud of herself. Yeah and like I try not to get to in detail about the edit here but I do think that the the flip side of this is that they really loved this Michelle and Wendell storyline and most of content over the last few episodes has been about the Michelle and Wendell storyline. There's also the through line of her proving herself but oftentimes somebody looks like a major character because they're in the middle of their most important story of the season and then afterward it dies off a little bit so I I'm not. I'm not really even saying the top contender. I still feel like there are a few different top contenders but but I do think that she is a contender where I wasn't quite sure in in past especially at the start of the season but it's been growing. It's definitely been enjoying music. Music was epic for sure. And then we're off to tribal and before even a word is said the smile and Jeff Stacy's loving it. He knows how good this season is done. And then these force it down in what is when they'll say probes. Which which is smirking at or something is. There's one thing that I that. I really liked from Michelle in the campaigning phase of the episode. Where she talked to Wendell and when she's talking to Wendell he was like you've gotta go. He's coming for me and she tells him she says. Wendell I will vote wherever you vote on. Whatever you WanNa do I completely with you later. In the later in the scene in the segments she goes and talks to nick and she says What we do he's I should we be. Should we keep Wendell? Should we buell and she says to Nick. Whatever you WANNA do. I'm completely like if you feel strongly one way I am completely behind you and obviously obviously that that could have run into some problems if they if they both want different things because then she's going to have to choose a side but But I think that she knew that they were both on the same page and I think that she's playing up the fact that she is doing whatever this person wants and I think she's playing up the fact that. I'm not close to Wendell. If you WANNA take Wendell out. Nick please just let me know. And we'll do it because she knows he's not going to do it and to Wendell she's saying I'm still in love with you. Definitely do whatever really you know what I mean like. She's definitely playing up the whole everything and I think that that is the most impressive thing that I saw from Michelle in the episode Murphy and both her and Nick or basically saying like you'll is so smart and and here's I think the most important thing you'll will definitely win in the end you'll has an amazing story. You'll has an amazing 'cause he's playing for so if you're taking a value judgement on who's more valuable long-term ally you'll or Wendell you'll will definitely win. In the end Wendell who keeps making an ass of himself. The choice becomes obvious yet. Now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's get back to the show. Then we had to tribal and we get we get some more probst and Wendell tension relieving dear. God Jeff Is Jeff and Wendell can't stay away from each other and then jeff launches into this narrative. Rob had a strong take on this on the Noel's Jeff says it seems like the old school players midgets not playing the pace of the new school game. It seems like the old school players. Just can't keep up thoughts on that. Erin I mean. I think that there is some truth to that. I think that it's also overrated narrative. I think that like this is something that I talked about with with Derek on on the previous a podcast where I do think that the longer the show goes on the more the Meta game evolves and if you are not if you haven't played in twenty years you haven't watched in twenty years then then you might be a little bit behind on like the dominant strategies in survivor. I think that that evolution is not as dramatic as it is in big brother which is which is where I was really pulling a lot of data from but I still think there's something to that. There's something to like just the basic strategies that you use and the way that like how does having an idol or an advantage impact the perception that people have view when it comes to the end game like people that didn't play with advantages and idols. I think they can understand the basic strategy where plane idle split the votes. Whatever but do they do? They have a lot of knowledge in like a history of knowledge about if you play a lot of idols. What does that do for your respect. Level what does that do for you in the end if somebody has a bunch of idols and played a bunch of idols and advantages. Do you need to be worried about them? In a final two if otherwise final three if otherwise they were useless in the game but they found a lot of idols. Like that's that's one of the things that like. I think that having that sort of knowledge is useful for edge of extinction. Did they watch that season? Are they up on the impact that has on the game the fact that they know? Somebody's coming back that impacts how people play in the short term because they know somebody else's coming tends to make them. I think less likely to take risks in the game because they know that there's another external factor that they can't control that will be impacting them soon And not to mention the fact that that person will probably be coming back with some kind of advantage. You need to be wary of that. And if they do come back they have a very good chance of winning. A jury vote which you might not expect if you didn't watch what happened the previous time and think about how those things play out so I do think there are factors that come into play. I'm not sure how. Many of those factors had anything to do with the reason why these old schools lost the game. I think that most of what we saw was just run of the mill. They were outnumbered. There were more new school players than old school players and the old school players all had massive targets on their backs. They all had massive legacies to live up to and and especially when the swap came and there was not as much reason to keep them around as shields. We saw the result of that and so I don't really think it was them being completely outpaced. I think it was a lot more. I'm with Robin. This is a lot more that they were just massive targets. But I do think there is something to the concept of you. Know keeping up on the knowledge of survivor. I'm just not sure how much it played into this particular season. Jeff Jeff loves black and white narratives. He loves some dimple that can just get in his head. David versus Goliath. Molyneaux millennials versus Gen X. He loves just these teams in the season and in front of his eyes. I agree with you I. I think it's first of all the old school players were put in a tough spot succeed because they were outnumbered but to be honest. They've gotten their behinds kicks. They've gotten they've gotten you know they've gone take it's the new players have really outplayed them. And you can't really deny that either. So rob says tornadoes is completely against that theory. Anything ridiculous and I think there's a little a mom wishy washy about. I think there's a little bit something there. I think the new players do play better. They do play faster up but also the old players were put in a tough situation so I see the merit but yeah just GonNa keep that theme going in his head. Awhile and really. I think the thing that played the bigger factor is what we talked about at the start of the episode. The podcast which is the big names versus small the Hyenas and the fact that the old school players most of them were on the same page but not enough of them and if any of them are not on board with. We all need to stick together. Then that's it the that's that's all all all she wrote. I mean we saw that play out exactly with Danny if Danny had stayed on board alliance then I think the entire game is completely flipped around them. Roman where it fell apart. If you go back if you go back right now we have Ethan. Poverty Bus Rob. Thais all these old school players on edge of extinction it was the Danny episode that was the demise that was the one piece part of Danny. I agree with you I was. I can't believe grew on the same page of Danny State in line if they could have done a better job with Danny than by the way is standing in the way or raised that flag on edge of extinction for new shoot. I don't think she will. I feel like she'll stick around this a visual sighting of Danny issue still there on that island. I'm not sure but yeah slight. Tease her. Lack of airtime Danny would've stayed in line. The entire game would have been different. That was the starting of the disaster for the old school players. Yeah Yeah and then. He wasn't even like one of the big targets but but the problem for the big targets is that there were again more non big targets and so they needed a couple of extra people if they had managed to hold onto Danny than. I really feel like we could've we. Could've they could've put something together and had a completely different order. And do you know similar sort of thing with with? I love what you'll was doing onto call. And He. He got complete control of that tribe. But maybe there was something to the idea of going along with other big targets like when Tyson is pitching this idea that like. Hey you know. Don't take me out you'll be next. There was something to that argument and like. I don't really know what you'll could've done in that spot at that point because he wasn't such a crushing position but the fact that he's working with the Wendell's and Knicks so fees of the world was probably going to unless he was able to maintain tight control of those people was probably going to bite him at some point. And we saw it happen here. So and then there's also we can talk about even just in last episode in the last episode. Should you'll have tried to flip and keep poverty around because obviously he was on the outs of H. I. V. Tight trio in that group. And if he had sided with poverty first of all would. Michelle have even been on board. Because I'm not sure that's a guarantee I don't know if Michelle sides of poverty over Wendell in fact I think perhaps not because why why would you choose to work with poverty over Wendell? Who will bulldoze his way through and then not be able to win over his apartment. He was like the most dangerous player in existence. So I'm not sure he could have even if you wanted to but should he have tried a guy? I think. That's a valid question to ask for. Sure for sure that when. Michelle would stick with Wendell for a long time and there's multiple reasons why she should. I think so and you can see him in on the Secondary Watch specifically when you look at you all during the tribal council I us- usually pretty chill. You could see it. You could see in his body language. There's his voice was a slightly different tone. You Kinda he. I think he knew this wasn't a blindside. I think he knew his time was up. There's nothing that he could really do. Some interest in that happened on this tribal council every person answered. The question is if I get voted out tonight and I come back where my alliance is GONNA lie. This was really interesting. So nick out of the gate says if you vote me out. I'll come back and work if you guys I understand. He's just like he just wants to spend all branch then Guy Lee loved. Everyone on the nick was the most upset person that somebody credit credit to nick. I know it's been episodes without airtime this season and there's been moments of Purple Nick but like he wasn't an option next played great when his nick in an option. You know easy. He's blamed great survivor. One time winner. One time you know. He's never been voted at he's GonNa make the merge so credits nick all their responses were different to this question of of if you came back from the game. How would you treat your tribe and Wendell was kind of like I'm I'm not I've only out? Yeah screw you guys which I think is the Greg thing to say A. There's no reason to give incentive to other people voting you out so you always kind of wishy washy on that and this was sad men. It was said lose. Your it really was it was it was it was upset. We did get one last like one true. You will moment really brought me back to Cook Islands. When he geeks geeking out about the fire tokens says they add another layer of duplicity. That didn't exist. Before he explains that they almost create like a market economy that can align incentives in certain ways. And I'm like this is. This is the you'll that I remember. Cook Islands he gets at least one. You'll moment where he gets to geek out about something like this Before before his time is up Sally IOS gone. We got a nice confessional from Wendell and show every Wendell voting conventional man. He's good you'll beyond the edge of extinction tonight your brow. That was clever. He should've told the yield. Put the mic down Bro. Stop Stop Talking Bro. And then the votes are red. And it's pretty clear. A three to one seal later you will. Sadly his is snuffed and like. I'm sure people saw this because I thought it was a pretty jarring moment but like pay attention to Michelle after you will leaves her entire body language and demeanor toward Wendell completely shifts. She's like I like to see you're shaking your boots a little bit. She's like touching his face like she's smiling like she's playful this this this is definitely a an indicator that their relationship is not as sour as the episodes of trying to present to us. We're sure exactly. We learned season thirty nine. If you have permission to touch someone's face that there's different hey to bring. It shouldn't references thirty nine but this is the correct way to touch. Someone's face in a consensual. Plenty of ways so yeah. It's pretty obvious that I think. Michelle and Wendell are are locking step in this game and the Knicks Knicks there as well so Nixon. Clever little spot nick. Nick is in a nice body as those relationships from the call. He doesn't have many enemies. This threat level isn't super high. Knicks Knicks got. Some things happening for. Yes you'll is then going to bequeath his tokens to both. Sarah and Sophie is one which we were from out yeah. I thought that was the right move. I thought you know like spread them around as much as possible. Because if somebody gets anything from you they're gonNa feel good and so like whether they get one or two they're gonNA feel pretty good. I think and so if you spread the love around then you're just growing the amount of options you have if you end up coming back into the game in terms of like hey I feel good about the both of you can explain it to both of them like. I didn't know which one needed it more and so I just gave it to to both right so I agree. If you've seven fare tokens give give one to seven different people a little much one. Seven split of evenly like you're feeding the large family. Each child gets a slice of pizza. No one gets to you. Just get one and I. Could HE BE UPSET? It's like oh I usually given me more. Fire Tokens you know. Trauma share share the wealth. Santa Claus you will splits up. His Fire Tokens Berry appropriately and then You'll is off to the old edge of extinction. The last last old school player is gone is a new school baby. I've got him into a man. The new school players are kicking the behinds off the old school next generation. It new era of the young kids I feel at Man. Young Young Kids New Prodigies Zion. Williamson's their all. The projects are nineteen. It used to be at an age. Where Sidney crosby was like a similar to my age is like yeah I can relate to them and now all the prodigies the best poker players. The best sports athletes. They're all like way younger than the good kids are good at this game so I did ask this briefly but I feel like the one of the biggest criticisms I've I've seen from you'll is. He should've voted to keep poverty last week. I'm seeing a lot of people saying that and I think there's I think there is an argument there to be made that we that we did talk about but I'm also not like completely solid on because like I said I don't know if Michelle is on board for that and I don't know how you'll talks to Michelle about doing something like that. When Nick and Wendell are his tightest alliance members and and Michelle is a lot closer to Wendell vin him. Like how does he go to Michelle and say? I know that we've talked about like the four of us being together. How do you feel about taking out your ex boyfriend with poverty and I like if she blows that up? Then you'll really screwed right and I think she has some incentive to blow it up and then like even if even if he doesn't have to worry about Michelle he's still betraying. Nick one of his tightest allies. He's still taking out window. Another one of his allies for Harvey who has other loyalties in the game probably and and does his original alliance structure that he's built with people. Sandra who left him? Fire Tokens like do these people. Now still trust him. After siding with poverty and blindsiding one of his allies like. I'm just not sure that that's the right move. I would probably be even if I knew I was on the outs even if I knew if we go to tribal again. I'm in trouble. I'm not sure that's worth it in the long run. If I can just hope that this would have been the merge episode in normal circumstances or even if it's not hopefully I'm just wanting to two tribes that wins immunity and then I'm really set up moving forward from here rather than blow up my whole spot on the off chance that I go to go to tribal again. I don't think it's like a black and white thing here that you will should have voted with poverty last time. This isn't like a self inflicted wound like Sandra head when she gave away an idol. But there's some things you could have done as like no life was pretty good on. The call could have found an idol often as like literally. There is a skill to find an idol's like you'll have. You could have gone to nine. Oh that would've really helped option. Another Great Combo Yeah. I think I think we're very good at using them with Jonathan Penner. The Super Idol Anyway Cook Islands is a water. God characters came from Cook Islands by the other point. I want to make this episode started to slip away from. You'll was after the last tribal when you will shared with Wendell that he had lost a little bit of trust him. That's where things started to fall apart. That gave Wendell green light to start resistance once. He knew that you will didn't feel those butterflies in his stomach. That's that's where this thing kind of slip away from him so I knew it was a legend. He's has the legacy. But you know what I like to see him go a little bit farther in this game all right so you have a couple another secret. Seen One more that I found interesting. Which was that it was on the. Yarra tribe and we talked about Ben and how. He's a goof out there he's having fun. Ben Finds a little BOA snake and He's he's so excited. Like Oh my God. Missile guy picks it up He he he brings on the water. Well he brings it over back into the woods and he goes back to camp and he's like I just found it a little boa and so he was like. Oh my God I moved in. She was like you touched it. It was like yeah no like do you WanNa see it. And she was like yeah and so. She has a confessional. I thought this was great. She says that her first time she played survivor. She played with a lot of fear so much fear of what was going to happen of getting voted out and she feels like this season. She's been able to let that fear. Go and meet her happier. It's made her enjoy the spirit experience more. It's also freed up to take more risks and get out of her comfort zone and and so she goes and she sees the snake and she touches it and she's really scared which is like this really reminds me that like. I need to take risks in this game and so I thought this was a great little moment for for Sophie and for Ben. Who's who is so much fun out there at both of those both in been having and that's fun. I miss these Christine Zero Euros on top of these secret scenes. Sophie is just actually so so fun to watch this year and Ben's having a lot of fun as well for sure that yard drive was a bit dysfunctional. That was a little bit chaotic. But my boy Adam Klein lives. He's still alive. I feel like every every episode. He's just scratching and clawing somehow he's still there and going into the merge. I'm excited I think we merged next episode seen in the next time. And it's GonNa be a wild ride. I cannot wait Adam. Adam is our logo nine fingers of survivors hanging on by the way off the top of your head who are merge episode next week. If you had to name three people that you think are endanger first of all. I think at very well could be the murder. I don't think we're gets. I think everyone kind of just say. Hey there's so much going on. Why don't we just get rid of that? I think it could land on him and I hope not so. I think Adam's endanger at their merged. I really do think Let me think about this for second. Who'd you throw name of their atom I think is my number one most endanger the merge? I think that like. Let's let's look at how things play right so we have to call. I think to call pretty tight. I think the Kim Jeremy Denise and Tony Not really a lot of incentive for them to turn on each other so they have a solid connection. They have ties with Tony and Sarah. They have COPS ARE US is drawn. Sophie. I don't think has much of a reason to go against Kim who they had a connection and is so fee to Sophie Sophie. Feel stronger with Wendell and nick or is she now mad at them for voting out? You'LL I if I guess. I think Sophie goes with Sarah to Tony and to call and I think Ben goes with them as well which would give them a majority if they stuck together if they have a majority then who are. They going to want to vote out from the rest of the people left in the game. We have Wendell Nick Adam Michelle and who else A. There's more people in the game than that right. We we just what we have eleven. There's eleven people going into eleven right. No yes seven versus four. So that's all they only need six so I it could be those four. Those could be The so looking at it that way. I think that Adam is in danger. I think Wendell is in danger. And then also also maybe Adam and Wendell or in the most danger I would think going into emerge episode. Do you think Tony's in some danger as well. I think that because if Tony Tony's free fifty freaks out one of those chaos leaving he's going to do and they merged Tony Go Bananas Dude. Oh I forgot about the edge to somebody's coming back from edge right so wow that completely shifts things. So that's that's my best my job three. It'd be Adam Window and whoever returns for manager or the most endangered. That's what I would guess. Yeah honestly I just and this is again. I'm completely biased. In this regard but I'm really feeling Tyson return. I just feel like everything is pointing to Tyson as the one that comes back from edge. I feel like just L- Tyson is a great competitor in challenges. He's got a belly full of peanut butter and an extra at least one advantage out of three for the challenge. So I feel like Tyson has a great shot at this. I think Natalie has a good shot as well certainly Boston. Rob With three tokens. Who's not a slouch in competitions? Either could have a good shot but I really. I'm really feeling Tyson as the returning person here so if Tyson comes back in how does he fit into things? I've no idea how chaotic I would love to see Tyson back as well. I think I think that's right. In terms of favorites ago back from extinction. I think Rob Hastening Natalie. The three favorites. It's like no Danny and Ethan. I'm sorry it's it's good. That would be tough. It's really tough for them to come back. Yeah and we'RE SET UP FOR AN AMAZING POST. Merger this is. This is going to be crazy as season is good. This is television. Ladies and Gentlemen Edmund. This is such a six season and like wow. I think episode. Seven as electric as some other episodes. You know these are all solid eight nine. These episodes are really good television. I'm enjoying especially with the current state of the world. Once a week we just going to sit down and watch survivors group of people. It's like it's my favorite my favorite thing. It's literally. My favorite hour of the week is survivor night. Tyson go dirty dancer says Tyson go to Jeremy is that we're Tyson goes. He certainly didn't find much traction and his original tribe Jeremy he knows him from the Poker Alliance and an Jeremy. Likes having meat shields around? Tyson's could certainly be one of them so. I think you could go back to Kim. They were kind of on the Little Jeremy and Kim both there so I could see Tyson trying to get in there. I don't know if they need the numbers though and that could be an issue for him if they maybe maybe they decided you know what? Tyson's a little more solid a little more reliable than Tony so we pull him in there. I don't know but I do think that. Yeah Adam Wendell. If Tyson's one comebacks comes back whoever it is that comes back. I think Tony as well could be in some trouble. Because they don't need him probably and if he starts getting squirrelly and who knows but it honestly can be anything these merges they can really that can really be chaotic to see how it breaks down for. Sure absolutely a redoing legacy. Let's do it let me go. Let Me Go pee. And it'll be Rebecca to sit up. Okay so we're going to pull up the legacy watch. We have an update on the legacy. Watch what happened? What happened over this episode? And how did that impact the legacy of the winners this week? A lot of changes. I can tell you that a lot of changes for the legacy. Watch this week last week. We saw that some some highlights from last week. You'll who is still in the leg. Legend tear as of last week still in the legendary. Sandra dropped pretty significantly but remains in the legends. Here that was from last week. Denise shot straight up into the top tier after her move last week a massive jump forward which was unprecedented in the Legacy Watch and then we saw Tyson moving up last week. We saw Wendell moving down. We saw Michelle moving down a little bit last week and other than that. Mostly things are staying the same Kim still hovering around the top tier. Jeremy was falling a little bit. Sarah was falling a little bit but for the most part we've got. We've got this instance. It's up on the screen if you're watching. If you're listening we will be reading them out as you know the drill by now but we'll be reading out so that you can know what's happening with the current the current legacy watch tears so the things. I was really interested in in particular with the legacy watch prior to seeing the results were Sandra. We talked about this at the top of the episode. Does Sandra's quit from extinction. Actually have an impact on her legacy people like Russell hands certainly think it does and we'll say say it does but will it. We'll have to see JOE MOXHAM legacy. Yes I was also curious about Michelle. Is this episode of good one or a bad one for her last week? She actually fell and this week. I want to know what happens there. And then you'll has been in the legend tear for a couple of weeks. Was Tonight's episode enough to drop out of the legendary we're going to have gone. He's gone out of the legend here. He's run as well in the top spot for the legend here is poverty. She stays at the top she. She fell last week a bit but she has moved back up a this week and stays at the top spot. Following poverty is still Boston Rob. Who moved up dramatically. This week he took a big hit on his boot episode and then last week he stayed about the same but I guess the the content from extinction was was good content and he had a pretty decent jump forward to stay here in the number two spot. I agree I agree. He's getting through. Four is Ben. Seven Fifty S. He said it's gotTa keep their then. We have Sandra now. I was wondering is Sandra. Had A big drop last week. Is she going to drop again? After the the quit of extinction no Sandra stays about the same as where she was from last week so she took a big hit last week. That hit has not bounced back. She staying where she is. She's not going back up but she's also not continuing to fall. She remains in the legend here and she's remains there. I agree yeah. Sure as he should have taken a hit from last week. But this week our quitting. That doesn't move the needle for me. I like I like staying. There is basically exactly what I was what I was saying. Nobody nobody cares. Nobody cares she. Then we have. You'll oh I think you all's going to drop down here. It's as Buddha. I mean I think a standard rule of this game. This legacy watched like you get voted out. You just take a drop. That's what happens. I think it has to be expected. That is what happens and it is what happened. You'll took a hit. And he has fallen out of the lead. How did he fall though? We'll we'll we'll see how this is arranging to out for now you know. He's out of the legendary. The legend tear stops at poverty. Rob and Sandra once again and and that's where we are but there are still more changes at the top tier. We're now at the top tier top the top tier last week. It was denise after a massive jam forward from from where she was before. Prior to denise it was Tony Tony was pretty consistently at the top of the top tier. However we're seeing another shifts and this time it's a big jump forward for Kim. Spradlin removed his to leap frog over a few people and head to the top of the top tier. In fact she is flirting with the line. Getting back into the legend here. She is just a couple of hundred of points away from hitting that tops here average or the Latin to your average can I would put her in the legend Tier. I would put her in the winter. She has the best one time game in history and one world and she's and she's done awesome this season after a rough start a great spot. She has idol. She has options and I agree she. I think she should be in legend here. I agree and I said this last week. I feel like I've seen enough from her. I saw from her last week when she didn't play her idol correctly. I was like you know what Kim back in the legendary absolutely I was never saw it on her being out of the legendary in the first place but I definitely thought she deserved after seeing this episode of the great spot. She's in. I think definitely combine that with her previous win. I think she is for sure in the legendary and she is getting there. I leave this up for the rest of the week. So there's definitely a chance that over the rest of the week. She moves up just a couple of hundreds of a point and she ends up in the legend here for the week but but for now she is at the top of the top tier following Kim. We Have Tony O. Is GOING TO JUMP OVER. Denise Denise briefly surpassed Tony But But after her big move last week she had a somewhat quieter week. And Tony is going to retake his position over denise getting back to about where he's been all season long. Tony has not seen much movement in general. He is just a bit away from the legend. Tear not really not never gets too close but he's consistently near the top of the top tier and so it's going to be him right underpin. They're in the top tier. I agree. Tony's Tony's steady steady Eddie. Here besides the little frequent last week With the spice shock if he can you can have a good pre merge. Sorry Post merger game here you. He deserves to be here and I agree with everything that's happened so far. The fans are are on the same page as I am. They you go after Tony. We finally have you'll who has landed third in the top tier now. I think that if we go back all the way back to the original list you'll was at the top of the top tier before the season started and then after that was consistently hovering around either the top of the top tier or the bottom of the legend Tier. So he has taken a hit in this episode definitely curious to see if he bounces back and goes back over. Tony for for that spot if once. It's not recent in fresh in people's minds that he was voted out. I think he will have a little bit of a bounce back but that seems good to me. I think he gets voted out. Plus I think it was. He didn't play that great like it wasn't just because of circumstance. I see the drought for you will as as deserved so then. We actually have a tie. Ooh Yes tie that. We saw denise who jumped up a significant margin last week the highest margin we've ever seen She's GonNa lose some of those gains she's going to. There's going to be some rubber banding and she's going to lose a pretty big chunk but about a fourth of what she gained. She has now lost which she is still solidly in the top tier and tied with Jeremy. Who Jeremy from this episode and so they they have met at the exact same point And how Jeremy had put Jeremy Ahead of you will and maybe even Tony. You know how I love Jerry. I think a few notches. This is slightly underrating. Jeremy but that's why it's such a great players. He gets underrated every time he plays. You know that's why he's so good is because he's not considered a legend when he yeah. This is about where Jeremy has been hovering all season long. He's had a couple of like he's gone up a little bit. He's gone down a little bit but pretty consistently has been in this spot. He started the season in exactly where he is right. Now before the season started he had the exact same average right man. He's he started the season in the spot. He should be higher. He's playing great his relationships. He has safety without power. Is Natalie farming advantage for advantages for on edge of extinction? He should be higher. I don't agree with this one. I think I think he's. He's one of these. Players definitely has potential to continue to rise as we go but but that's where he stands right now. After Jeremy and Denise as a tie there we have Tyson very close behind who has has fallen a bit but he actually rose from last week. After this week's episode they will. He's amazing. Swiss fire. Token belly is full of peanut butter by the way that joe peanut butter was a huge jar of peanut butter. That was massive. He said that he he saw how big it was. And that's one of the reasons why he decided to take off. That's amazing because I would have thought would have been nice little little thing but it was huge so after Tyson is. Sophie still remained exactly the same as where she was last week. No movement there on Sophie but still solidly in the top tier little bumper little. She had a great challenge. She's an amazing spot. She as idols relationships underrated once again. So if you Clark insistently underrated yes and Hotan on. I don't think I saw this before but I think that perhaps there is another ties that correct. No it's not correct okay. That's good I just wrote it down. Sophie actually did not stay the same. She actually moved up the problem. I moved up a bit still same spot but she actually did see some movement forward and Sarah has stayed around the same and will hold onto the top tier spot. But she is. She's still hovering around that the the very bottom of the top tier threshold Sarafina. Big Fan not always a big fan of. She's she's flipping me this season. It really has been impressive. What we've seen from her and I think really helps explain her success in game. Changers although I do think we saw a little bit of like angry Sarah in this episode. Oh she got very angry now which I don't know how great look that was. It's okay in a way that anger bonds her to Ben and Sophie because if they can see this physical display of emotion against the other person then they feel more comfortable. It's like if you can unify your dislike for the other group of people. It's it's a sad feels a little icky sometimes but often can be a good strategy for these social games so then we had to the Middle Tier and in the middle. We still have natalie at the top Hey Yeah small. Move forward from Natalie. Actually we didn't see anything from her this episode but I think in anticipation for the return challenge. That people are starting to remember that she exists. This is probably what's happening so there. She is at the top of the Middle Tier after Natalie is Michelle. Shell bumping up continuing to move up so she has been moving up significantly over the course of the season. She had a bit of a bump in the road in the previous episode. Where I theorized that just. The tension between her and Wendell wasn't a great look for either of them so they both dropped Wendell northern her but in this episode she saw a huge jump forward. She completely overtook the losses that she experienced the previous episode and then got another another bid on top of that and so she is now in the second position on the Middle Tier. Still moving up for morale Burr. Up Hang out stays. I mean this. This is going to change a lot as we learn who wins the season and as I said before my top three best survivor. Players of all time is Sandra Harvey and whoever wins the season's going to be number three in terms of the greatest of all time so there this season to win men to win the all winners cement your legacy forever after. Michelle is Ethan. He actually did move up from this episode again. You get a reminder that he's there and that he's awesome so so he is there after Ethan. Still Wendell Wendell yes. I expected a much more significant drop for Wendell from this episode. But actually he didn't have much of a drop at all. He had a much more significant drop in the previous episode. I think that a lot of people have already priced in jerk face. Wendell and no more jerk faces are going to impact their view of Wendell at this point and the fact that he survives and that he is continuing in the game is enough to to keep his position here in the middle tier a rare situation where the villain stays the same. I like this. Just because he's the villain doesn't mean his legacy should should drop you know and then going into the post merge We'll see how he navigates next week as after. Wendell is nick still. Okay Nicole here. Nick has been flirting with the bottom tier. He's dropped in there a couple times but he is now solidly in the Middle Tier or at least somewhat solidly in the Middle Tier. He did have a bit of a rise from where he was previous to this episode. So he's he's building a bit of a buffer between himself and the bottom tier I for the record. Do not think nick belongs in the bottom tier. But he's for me. Yeah the audience feels feels a different way so feeling feeling client is. GonNa slip to volunteer here. Oh no find here. Middle-tier Klein took a very big hit in this episode. Not surprised he has in fact fallen from the Middle Tier. Well hopefully you can rise from the ashes here in the post merge yeah. I said this last week I keep saying this. I feel like by the end of the season. Adam regains what he's lost. I think that like his winning season. He looked like a fool sometimes. Like that's just how Adam plays the game. Sc Messy. But I think I think he'll come out on top. I feel like I feel like atom will re regain what he's lost at the very least he's in the bottom tier. It's it's probably deserved after. He's the only thing that's probably kept him in the of the game. His last two weeks as his tribe winning immune idiots if they lose this week for the previous week. He's in trouble but we'll see we'll see how we can manage a post merge as said before. I don't think he has a lot of options and feels like his time is up pretty soon or Roy. Hope good things I help. Keep keep hope alive. Yeah this is a rough. This is rough one and I just I disagree as feels feels wrong to see Adam there after Adam is still Ben. Ben Appears to have hit a ceiling. He had been slowly. He started at the very very bottom. He had been very slowly gaining points here and there week to week but over the last couple of weeks he has actually been staying about the same. He gained point here. He loses a couple points here and he's very solidly. In the bottom Tier Ben would slowly be increasing. He's doing very well at the challenges and he seems to be the majority most the time so I understand if he stays in the bottom tier by thought there would be slight. I've been slowly more and more impressed with Ben as the season goes along but I guess the Phantom doesn't agree with. Yeah that's I mean. That's what we were seeing at the start but for whatever reason and which is weird to me because I feel like the last couple episodes have been some of his best episodes showing that he is getting in with Sophie and Sarah that he you know overcame Boston Rob. I feel like he is. He's got a lot of room left to go in the season but but I think the gains that he's made with the with the content he's been getting on. The season seems to have dried up that he's it seems as though if the from the audience's perspective unless he gives them something different from this that they're like that's all we're giving you Gotcha. Yeah that makes sense then. The last the last two we have looks like amber how I mean. They're essentially no existed. No no real movement movement. We saw amber dropped the week. That Boston Rob was voted out. I speculated that just her connection to him his his loss rubbed off on her and she's actually regained the points that she lost that week over the last couple of weeks and so she was moving up but she's now back to about where she was. When Boston rob voted out so she's fine and then amber solidly there at the bottom very bottom. Say a safe. There's a market for who's going to tap out after the next challenge at edge of extinction. I think Danny amber could just both call it quits or soon here. I think amber does because she's got robbed. Accuracy racketeer earpiece. Let's say let's I guess you're right if rob gets back in amber needs to stay there in farm farm gifts for I think Danny might just. I've had enough say pretty quickly here and I would be surprised. I feel like Danny's like I feel like she's a really competitive person I don't know if she quits her. I feel my money would be on Ethan. Not because he wants to give up. Just we've seen a college times now on extinction where I've been like. Oh is he going to be very explicitly? Talked about it in this episode. So I think if anyone is going to. It's going to be Ethan for health concerns and that it's going to be very sad. Dan is at the bottom of this list forever. Danny shoe got a million bucks from survivor. It's good to be at the bottom of the winners list. It's a fine place to be. Yeah so that's what we have for the Legacy Watch. I LOVE THE LEGACY. Watch I am too. It's been so interesting now. Christina who does a lot of analysis for our big brother ratings and stuff. I've been giving her feeding her the data and so she's been playing around with it just to look at what. What kind of things can we read from this? How does the edit impact how the Legacy Watch works And stuff like that so be on the lookout for some potentially fun statistic things like analytic Alec. Absolutely I love. I love when numbers get apply to reality television for sure so should be all right. That's about all we have for you to get into in this episode. We've covered it all every episode. We can just talk for hours because there's so much have so much going on. We're down to eleven. Everyone drop your buffs. We have merged and what is going to happen. There will be blindsides. There will be tragic. There will be tears. There'll be some return members from edge extinction and some things are going to happen and and hopefully the pace in the excitement of the season keep struggling along because I am loving this season. Yeah Yeah me too. And we'll see we'll see we'll keep we'll keep updating you on the season as we progress of course be back next week talk everything survivor. Dig into the details of the episode. So thank you guys so much for joining us. There's like big brother. Canada has been canceled. 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But not least making this magic happen. It's GD Hello. There is an here we are. Let's get right into guys. Maybe not as exciting of episode as our first no-bust podcast but not bad in lots of breakdown here. The Big Three takeaways. I think from this episode. You'll get voted out at tribal council Sandra quits edge of extinction and maybe Adams Spidey senses are all wrong. We're going to tackle these one by one by one. But yes you gets voted out at tribal council Wendell Michelle and Nick ultimately teaming up to take out the last truly last old school or as he sent to the edge how shocked were used specially diehards there in JD and trey. Yeah it's like it's like the book I mentioned on our squad episode the fall of giants. You'll is the Austria Hungarian Empire in one thousand nine hundred and he's the last one to go. There's nobody else at the before season. Twenty left on the game. That's right and and so what happened. I mean is this old school new school a difference in play a thing and I think it is. It definitely seems like it could be probst as certainly pitching it. As the determining factor between these vote offs. And I don't know to me. It seemed like you'll was in a good position. He was playing it cool. He had Nick Wendel on his side for the last vote in the last episode. But then he just got a little distracted. By the fire tokens he was planned. Slow and then he hit the gas in Florida and they were like wow. This is planning ways to steal. Fire Tokens this is too dark. That's what they said in confessionals. This is too dark and once. You're playing that hard. I guess I guess it's tough for people to shake that especially with you will coming into the game with a reputation as a strategic mastermind. And then he comes out with. These fire tokens plans. It's like he was planned to slow and then suddenly he was playing too fast. Yeah I think it's a case of rules galaxy brain here getting him in trouble. I do believe that I put less stock into this whole old school new school thing being like the reason why and they are really driving it home on the show. I buy that as much. I think it's just that after they lose the tribal council you're right. There's like you'll in nick. They agree on Wendell and Wendell Michelle. They agree on. You'll but then you'll comes up this insane plan which by the way like we can talk about. This plan was it edited on television because it almost was like it was tough to follow. Because here's how I took it. You know windows plan. Is that a sorry. Excuse me your plan is. They're going to tell Wendell that Michelle would vote for. You'll and that of course Wendell then should vote for you'll but in reality Nick. Michelle and you'll are all going to vote Wendell. That's his plan and then we'll says okay because there's this risk that my name gets written down so I wanNA fire token. So what was he actually saying like? We're going to do a split vote at the beginning and then when we revote. We'll just get rid of Wendell. And hence why his name would have been written down? I was confused by even Wendell's or excuse me you'll Mike God I can't even keep track. Thousands I was confused by Huels against next level plan. Do you know again hear absolutely. I was confused too and I think that was what he was proposing because he wanted the goodwill he wanted Michelle to get the good will so she would get all the fire tokens and then she would pay. You're the fire token a one fire token because I'm willing to put my name out there right. And so and he keeps he keeps saying his name is written down so again. I'm led to believe and it seemed like it was edited a little bit but he was saying okay. Michelle and Wendy will vote for me. You'll nick and I will vote for Wendell It'll be a two two tie and then we go to Ariba and that's when we'll do it will do the three one on Wendell. He's gone and Hill. Feel like Well Michelle SORTA was like. It's gotTa be you. I'm sorry Babe You know maybe then. He feels like he'll give his tokens to her. And then you're right then. You will because he said well. My name was written down. I'm going out on a limb here. You give me at least one for this. Yeah I I have a feeling that sort of what what his crazy plan wasn't and he probably was just doing a little too much here. I was surprised. Michelle didn't vote for Wendell. Just because he called her babe that show there. She called him babe to own really. I missed yeah I mean I I think in this instance I can see a little link between the NBA and survivor. Because the old heads would say all the young guys can't take a little abrasiveness. They can't just take a little bit of plan. You'll is just what he said something and their other backtracking they can't handle it and so they he overplayed the game because the generations just clashed. I'm not sure if that's just the storyline that they're overplaying. Seems like it happened. I think either way though. I think Wendell is Harry Houdini. I can't believe he survived. I thought he's old heads. The oldest Fisa David Blaine guy new school. What about Criss Angel? Isn't he the new guy anyway to shows into survivor and I thought went was toast again? I thought Don do what Wendell I mean. You're the only one that I know I to win this whole thing. And what I thought series fate was when they are at tribal council and basically he and Michelle had dismissed dispute. Like an old married couple. You know like like she was sort of saying well. We have got that relationship history. But that doesn't really count for anything or IT'S NOT GONNA it's not gonNA save you. And then he sort of went back at her and I thought well you've definitely I mean you could have at least like said something to her to make you think that you're at least going to be friends. Long-term wasn't he sang. Like I had this right. He was saying if I go to edge of extension. I wouldn't be able to come back and really work with you because I wouldn't trust you anymore. So yeah he said the opposite of what Nixon because nick was like if I go to edge and I come back. I'd love to work with you guys again and Wendell's like screw that. Yeah Yeah and. I thought that he's gone for sure because the one that he really needed. I thought was Michelle because that was his ex girlfriend. Or whatever and any kind of like took a dump on right there. I just lost. You just lost right there but again you come at you. I mean for you to blow. That is pretty bad. I thought he had the other two on his side. Are you telling me Your Blue Lead? He seemed to do that. I believe in that creative editing. There as well when you saw Wendell I think I were. You'll and someone wrote Window you couldn't see it. Yeah that's right and then you couldn't say the other two Yep Yep this is dead. He's gone and then Bang. It's he survived. So we talked about this on the I know buffs podcasts. But I am more convinced than ever that Wendell and Michelle are playing up this sort of like tiff. I mean I know they did really date in real life and of course they no longer do so. Something of course went wrong but I really believe that. They're leaning this especially Wendell to show everybody else. Hey we're not to some. We're not together. I don't even Laker. She doesn't like me and I think it's all a ruse I think because they have some relationship even if it's no longer a boyfriend and girlfriend it's like I think they're just playing it up here. Even Michelle gave Wendell fire token. Yeah I mean that was slipped into the episode like as like I guess a an apology. I don't even know what really of goodwill it was. Just that's a brilliant strategy though if that's what they've discussed the show. I think that's fantastic. Because it definitely feels like they don't like each other and there is some lingering tension so it's the perfect way to disguise that they're actually scheming against everybody else so good on them. If that's the case vary at the very least. I think that Wendell is leading the charge hair saying we people know that we had a relationship before we obviously know each other but that is not a reason to vote me off. Just because I'm in a pair now and was in a pair on my previous season and we've seen like Boston rob and amber go to the finals. We've seen payers go super deep in. Hey just because we were together doesn't mean we're necessarily a pair of despite the fact that they have been working together for most of us. He's just trying to leave himself out. It really feels like so that he could backstab her and not feel bad about it or that other people could use him in vote as well. I think he's just trying not to get voted off for something he did before the show even started. Yeah I agree with that. I mean why if if they're playing it up then why why is Michelle specifically talking about how much he heard her in her. Confessional that the other players wouldn't even here. Yeah that is true. That's true in confessions. You think we would have gotten like. Oh we're just we're just playing here like we actually have a great relationship. Didn't work out in our dating life. But we're just putting this on. That's a good point. You would think if that was the case they would say in confessions and then the show would want to show that because it'd be like wow. This is amazing. Everything they're doing here is actually fake. Yeah that's a good point but I do really truly believe. Wendo is leaning into like sort of the villain role like or more of a bad guy attitude to to help his game. Because I think it's actually working in the sense of like maybe people are like He's like he's not going to win this game but this is his best chance to go far. You know what I mean playing sort of this. Sort of like cocky arrogant anger. And here's the thing. Maybe he was like that is first time out. And we just never saw the edit because he wins the game and he's just like portrayed as this really cool awesome guy which from our experience meeting on me is. It's always tough edit. Yeah Yeah I mean at this point in the game is a bitch. I can't even imagine tackling the amount of footage that they have and you know everything on edge of extinction and you got three three different Tribes going and and there was actually a reward challenge that was cut out of the episode altogether and it was a slingshot one. I love the slingshot ones. And then you know so you have a certain amount of time with Sela and then you have a certain amount of time to focus on Wendell Michelle's fraught relationship that in. That's extremely complicated. I think in real life and in the game so we're just not we're just not getting all the information. Listening to rob has a podcast. This morning I mean he at the beginning of the show. He's basically did. I miss an episode. Like there's so much that happened and it's a lot of it's Kinda didn't make sense like the decision making especially the decision to get rid of. You'll considering the previous episode you'll nick and Wendell seemed like a really tight alliance. Oh Yeah I mean. I was completely wrong on that call. I was saying that I was like these. Three guys are tight. They're going far and whoops. Yeah and I mean maybe a part of it was because of what Wendell was doing it. The last tribal council where he was really coming guns a blazing saying maybe way too much. And that SORTA spooked you'll and then they had the conversation in this podcast this episode. Today where you're like. What are you doing there man like you're making me feel uneasy and sort of Wendell apologizes and there's all of that but you're right it's like really what okay we get. Why US maybe trying to get rid of window because he's spooked and maybe windows trying to get rid of you'll because he knows that he's spooked and he's like okay. He's gotta go. What is Nick Thinking here? I think that's a really interesting part to me. Like why is Nick ultimately with Michelle of course but ultimately making the decision of like? Let's keep Wendell and you'll Scott it go take on. That might take is that. Nick is doing whatever the pretty girl tells them to do this kind of the same poverty I mean. He ended up voting out but he was just like a little puppy dog with her. And Michelle is I seems to be the she is playing the game harden and she She can manipulate people. Especially guys like nick who are a little puppy dogs who will basically just follow orders. That's my take based on all yesterday's episode. I think third any bring it up with her. Though wasn't he the first one to say after they they have they. They basically had their one on one with each person but then he brought it up to hurry he basically said Yeah. When does working me? But I don't know US would you be would you object to voting off you'll and then they kind of went that direction. Yeah I actually agree with tasks is saying here because we even heard from Nick in in this episode it feels like history really did him in here to the idea that he is a game bought and he is thinking five steps ahead and he's obviously well liked and nick says he's worried about going with you'll because you'll sort of makes the decisions because he's so much smarter than everybody else so it's cool even if you're with them but you're locked into his set plans and everybody then knows that really you'll is the one running things within a smaller sort of alliance. I think there is some truth. Like I think what Nick's thinking is if I roll with Wendell and of course with Michelle there right now. I'm at least a little closer on par with a guy like Wendell especially when it comes to like making the plans strategizing. Where if I'm with you'll even if the cases I'm fifty fifty and we're making these all these decisions together. That's not going to be the perception. Everyone's going to be like no. No you will did that. You'll came up with that and you were just a number. I think there's something I think there's some truth to that. I think that's actually smart thinking by Nick like even if I roll with Newell and I'm great all the way to the end. No one's GonNa believe me really that I did anything of course outside of like backstabbing. You'll later down the line which is always a play but yeah I think you're sort of right there task. I think he's just like I just roll with you'll have screwed and that's the real old school versus new school. Dichotomy is that people like Boston Rob Sandra Poverty. You'll as a previous masterminded in the game. They've got the reputation that it's like. It's not necessarily that. They're not playing the game at the same speed as the new school people but the new school people watch these people for ten years. They built statues for rob and Sandra. They're just voting the begins. It's like if Michael Jordan showed up at a one on one tournament. He would be the first guy you. WanNa get up. Because he's Michael Jordan. Yeah no you're right so look well. I'm sure we'll get into this a little bit more here but the other big news from this episode was Sandra quitting edge of extinction. This is the first scene we get Sandra arriving edge and we sort of get them telling their version of what happened and Sandra really breaks it. Down DENISE MY IDOL. She turns around and took me out with it and they're all like dumbfounded. I mean Boston Rob at one point. Says you let your feet in the game shock and then what felt like thirty seconds later after Tyson explains Oh yeah this this place sort of soccer gotta go up on mountain to get a right. She's like all right piece of Sia and just goes in waves the white flag and quits and I guess my question on that is. She's won the game twice. She calls herself to Queen. Continues to call yourself for herself the Queen can you? Can you be the Queen of Survivor? If you have a legit straight up quit on your resume now. Wow no absolutely not I mean I get why she did it and she's you know a fair enough. She's you know she's at herself. I'm not getting back into the game as second challenges. And that's what you gotTa do to get back into the challenge. I'm uncomfortable I've won twice. She's also the they don't say this in the show but she's guarantee thirty five thousand dollars just for being on the show so by and she was just on She was just on this the season prior where she got paid. I'm sure to be on as a nine. It's also very good point. Yeah but but you're if you're going to quit you'RE GONNA lose Jeff respect and therefore you are no longer the Queen of survivor. I mean it's just that simple. It seemed to me a little bit strange. Because you know you can. You don't go play survivor and then complain about what goes on the update. If you know what I mean like I mean she must know like. It's tough those conditions are tough and you saw earlier in the episode. I think it was Ethan. Was talking with somebody and he. Yeah they were having a tough time and he was like you know. I'm looking forward to this being over. And it's like. I thought you guys were tougher than this. Well anything's defense. He just had his stem cell transplant. And he's literally worried about dying Tire Syndrome. So I did. I did notice that I thought you know what? Why even there? Then I mean if if he's health is at risk shouldn't he really not be there? I think that's what he's struggling with. Yeah absolutely is a part of it right. I'm sure that's exactly what's going through his head. Should I be even still staying here but back to Sandra I mean. I'm a little shocked that she she didn't even give it a night on edge of extinction. Maybe sleep on it. I get it. You're upset. You just got played by Denise Yeah you have about less than a one percent chance of winning any challenge against some of these juggernauts to get back into the game. I also get that but like I don't know just sleep on it. Feel how you wake up in the morning and then make that decision that that was a little a little weird she. She said she didn't WanNa get eaten boy or bitten by rats. That's true. Is She do what she made her choice right away. They're like oh food. I'll see you later but I'm with you like do the map when count. How many people are left? You know that there's going to be a challenge in the next two to three days. I would've lasted at least through that. And then you know Sandra unless the challenges sitting out that she probably wouldn't win it but as soon as that's over then go home. I can just wait a couple of days. She did win twice. She doesn't really have much more to prove they built or a statue but she did still quit. Do you think she can be considered the Queen? Those still trae show always call herself the Queen. Yeah Yeah So. That's the tough part but once a queen always a queen. I think I'd like to think. She refuses to win via the edge of extinction. Which is she ended up itself Queen. She went out on her own terms. I don't think she even wants that on her resume. Not but no but she did a calculation. But I'd like to think it was the other way around. But she's yeah she said I'm not GonNa win a challenge out here. This is this is not going to happen. So I'm out and she was probably a little embarrassed but yeah but like tree said like I mean look. They're going to be having a challenge to get back in the game. We assume very soon so at mo she's going to be out there like I'm guessing like two maybe three days and nights. Yeah you probably are not GonNa win the challenge but we also don't know what it is. It could be a puzzle for crying out loud right. It probably will end with some sort of puzzle or something. She's pretty good at that stuff. Like I dunno you. There's a there's a one percent chance or miniscule chance but she's like no I don't stay at three star hotels mine. There's no rope here. I mean it's incredible but I'm I'm also I can't believe I'm going to say this but you can't be the queen. I'm no longer calling her. The Queen of Survivor. If you quit the game I don't care. It's on edge to bring it back to basketball. It's like it's like people that do try to convince me that Vince. Carter is the greatest raptor of all time. No I can't get on board with that. Because did SORTA quit on the team. And he quit on the franchise. It's very similar to me. He's obviously alleged. No doubt one of the greatest servers no doubt. But that's a black mark that I can't let go and I'm sorry I gotTa do this with Sandra as well. Is that too much extremely well? Then who's the Queen? Who's the Queen? Who is the king? I'm guessing Boston. Rob Is the king. Just because he's he's the legend that's out there poverty. I suppose would assume the title. Well I would say who's the Queen is. We might find out at the end of the season. I mean it could be a Denisa. Could Be Kim. It could be a Sarah if we get another two time winner in female form and the dominate the game or something like that again or a big move. We already saw denise tico Santa for crying out so I guess Trae for me It's like it's like when the title sometimes it gets stripped off a wrestler and it's like a tournament or something like that then we can decide that pay per view yes sounds like season. Two of game of thrones. There's five kings. There's find Queensland waiting to see who will try Spanish Baratheon out there all right so we did get a lot of edge of extinction. We had all that I seen of course with the Sandra development and her quitting and then we went back to it after we went to the blue for a little bit with all the apologizing and we had what you were talking about Lee we had. We had eastern struggling with how to sort of like how he said it like how do exist in the in between world. I think is what he said like this. It is weird like we're not in the game but we're in the game and it's like where are we and you know obviously as health issues and just mentally. I'm sure and physically exhausted. Poverty sort of building him back up. Though you could see the you could see the sadness in Ethan's is I like that struggle. That was that was a pretty powerful. See that look. That was raw. Yeah it was very cool to see the actual bond that they had and it just looked like you were watching two friends talking to each other and they just happen to be playing survivor. Yeah and he was talking about say. I was a little weird to be about. He's talking about stem cell transplants and obviously battling cancer and whether he should be out there. Perfidies like yeah. Let's just do some yoga? And Hey fasting is awesome. I mean she also did a lot of great things. She really did build them back up but she was throwing up some strange recommendations or advice there. I thought but anyway they got Larry on character for her if you yes on instagram. So that's right. That's right character. And also she did a lot of complaining and a couple of scenes prior to that when she entered the edge of extinction. She was doing plenty of complaining. I would find it very difficult to annoy her. The Queen if sh she doesn't appreciate the game at least Sandra walked off lost. Say you know what I got got got beat up already just wind complaint for for good. I like forty seconds of onto edited film. And then yes. She was nice to she. She was in the end she was she was a helpful person and she plays the game well but I struggled with that. I struggled listening to that. Plaguing I see I see. Grown men cry in their eyes when they lose championships task. So you know I'd rather crying. I rather exempt. That's that's natural. That's a natural feeling to be distraught but Oh I got voted out for well. Yeah probably happened. So then we'll get so then we get Ethan. Finding the next challenge clue if you want to call it. And it's the race for Fire Tokens. Lee What did you? What did you think of this scene where they all open up the parchment at the same time? And it's like Oh. These tokens are basically at the top of the hill. And everybody just drops what they're doing and take off. Well what did you think of that? Yes Oh like I'm trying to figure out like when they when they know they have to go and find that there's a clue to go out there and finding they have to read them all together that that took discipline to read all those scrolls at the same time for one. Because you WanNa just grab it and read it and maybe maybe grab that like five second headstart on on some of the. I think it is. It's like an official though rule like somebody tells one of the survivors. Hey there's something over there so somebody going get it and bring it back and then you have to open it together and read it together. I mean like yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah true. I think they're like they're like that's one of the rules literally says on it. You have to open it together. But you're right. I mean like if Russell had founded back in the day would he just be like it gives them a little middle scurries off so let me limited us is. Is there anything that stops that for? Maybe getting the first scrawl reading it and then just throwing the others over his head and saying you guys go figure it out for yourself. I mean I don't know it's a bit of a grey area. I'm not sure what they would do it. It's definitely a production rule. But it's like would they also love it if somebody gave the Middle Finger to the rulers. Not even if they seem pretty quickly turn on each other when when something like that is at stake like they seem to you know pretty quickly be at for their own because now I think I think I've got this guy's name right. The one with the Boston Red Sox does that Boston rope Also I wanted to make sure I want to try. But he walked now. If I'm Reid as well he three of those. You know you're talking to you but the other guys that were pretty bad looking for them because the people that were kind of right there and they couldn't see them. So here's what yeah. So here's what happens. Is they all open up their schools and then they're like boom? Let's go and it's a race and were led to believe that Boston Rob Sprints. I mean just straight up sprints yet Tyson says. That's exactly what's happening like Boston Rob. He's going way too fast out of the gate. Don't worry I'll catch that Fatso. Basically portly chat legacy call them shop and then this was interesting editing though because it appears to us that Tyson does find the first one. And you're like okay. Tyson's got one and then they're all like trying to figure out. Well what are the other ones who's got anymore? Is that it what's going on? Who's lying and then we get. We've seen more and more of these over the years but the still pretty rare flashback where we then see through the editing. That Boston rob had already found three of them and he gives us sort of a play by play breakdown and a baseball reference tasks. Four three hundred four hundred sit down. Williams. Carl Yastrzemski is in mind. Tony Gwynn Dick Recipes. Tony Gwynn but yeah three or four. The majors I'm batting seven fifty. I'm the best that's ever played. That's what he said. So yeah that was. I GUESS. Spreading worked out in the end. He got there before everybody and they were just basically lying in like a pile of rocks. They weren't really that hard to find you decide to get there. I. I'll admit I got a night. Shamil done this one. I was like wow. They didn't find them. I guess this is going to be one of those things like rob said for the challenge the previous week. And maybe it'll take a couple of weeks to find this but apparently he was just fast than had pre scouted the trails. I guess that's something that players will do from here on out if they ever have something like an edge of extinction they're going to be out there looking for places where they might drop advantages at some point. You just gotTa know the lay of the land because they were talking about names for geographical features. He's on the small look out then. I went over to the large look. He's guys who have been out there doing nothing for a long time named every spot on this beach. Yeah so now we have. We have Boston raw with a bunch of fire. Tokens and we have Natalie with a bunch of just on the edge on talking about You know we assume there is going to be a challenge to get back in the game for one of these people on the edge soon. Jd Do you think these fire tokens are going to be able to be used as an advantage in a challenge. You know in terms of like you know one token gets you a five second headstart or something like that almost like the old eliminator rules in American gladiators like build it up that lead and then you get to start early. What do you think hundred percent? It could be that or they've in the past they've given you sort of an afternoon tutorial on how to do a specific challenge so it could be something like that or it could be simply a matter of buying your way back into the game. Maybe hope maybe say that. We've got three and three for Natalie. End Rob is that right or four. She delicious four. So what if they said? What if there's like a? Hey if you if you have six fire tokens you can get back into the game. And then they are relying on people who are still in the game to give you the fire token to get back in the game. It could be a simple as that. I don't know I mean right. So you're you're saying maybe yeah. There's not even really a challenge per se like a physical or mental like a puzzle thing to get back in the game. It's more leaning into this sort of economy of these fire tokens and almost pleading in a way or whatever. Bartering Away with people that are still in the game. Yeah to allow one of them back in. Wow you blew my mind with that and and you know you're basically if you're still in the game you're literally buying an ally right like yeah personnel all of a sudden on your alliance and you you have the numbers. Which is what. You need to win survivor. And then you wonder if some of those if this if this is the thing that happens we have no idea. You wonder if like. I don't know like you'll could be like. Hey Sophie. I gave you a fire token or you know people who'd be like those ones that showed up in your bay that was for me and people could be lying about that or not yet. It'd be a fascinating dynamic. We know they're gonNA mean something although it'd be hilarious if they mean absolutely nothing in the end and you can buy yourself a buff on the way out on the flight home or something like that would be incredible exit through the Gift Shop. Okay so then the next scene after that we check in with two of the other tribes we get the Red tribe to cal tribe. This one not much happening. We get some tribe bonding I would say over. How Funny Tony Looks when he runs. Which is always great and there is like Kim. Kim Seems Concerned. About having a plan in place when they come to the merge and we it does appear like. There's a pretty solid three. Maybe even four with Tony in this red tribe of at least Kim Denise and Jeremy and again maybe Tony's along with them to like they're looking like we know we're GonNa get to emerge next episode. Like you feel pretty confident about this alliance at this. Red Tribe has going. I like to see that they're putting a lot of thought into it ahead of time and it seems like there is a pre existing relationship right between Kim and Jeremy so there are a little bit locked in there and Denise obviously seems to be a well liked person among scam. I think it makes sense to have a group of people ready to go once. You get into the tribe because we're going to get down to the point where there's going to be basically a bunch of same size voting blocks and if you've got your three locked in already you can kinda help choose exactly which way the game is going to go. So yeah you definitely got a preplanned Fisher Hundred percent in on the Denise Kim and Jeremy Alliance if it's an actual thing. I don't see tony making it far past the merge myself just because he's too wild he's too erratic you you can't really depend on him especially at this stage of the game but and he's a threat he's very well liked and we're getting into individual challenges and if their physical than he is very good at challenges as as I remember his he does he that good. That is so sure if you saw him run on the beach have a lot of faith in what he can do. I. I don't think I don't think it's a juggernaut out there. That's for sure he's actually doing. He's oddly playing like a woo type game to me. He's like sort of just the like funny guy out there. He's not strategizing whatsoever. He's doing a really good job of trying to tone that down despite the spy Shak. Yeah you wonder if he can keep that in check when you get to. It's like individual immunity time and there's idols out there and he knows in a will he go like. Oh I got to do everything just for myself. Really have some faith in this. Possibly alliance here with Kim Denise and Jeremy That's what I'm saying like despise the spy Shak incident is is exactly yeah talking about he just panicked he disappears in. Nobody can strategize with them and nobody can calm him down. He's just GonNa do what Tony's do. This is an almost the Tony Strategy though like I don't think he realizes that he is the meat. Shield for everybody else will be happy to keep him around because they they're assuming that at some point he will not have immunity. I don't he will not win individual immunity and then we can get him. Yeah I I actually think Tony's in for the long run here. I think he's playing a great game because he's just being a goofball and you're not really a threat when near goofball and people are like people around and he's obviously likable. He's a number for a lot of people he won. Yeah I know I know. I think it's working well for him. Is My point okay? So then we go to the green tribe the tribe. We get this once again. This Ben Verses Atom like tension each other seething animosity. It's so good. Who Do you? Who Do you guys side with in this one on one? Sort OF BATTLE. Of Wills Ben Who's like I don't know a louder gentlemen of course and maybe sort of annoying as I guess Adam calls them but then there's Adam he's sort of like a whiny sort of in a way. It seems really upset out there and he's like obviously paranoid. I don't know what side do you side with if you have to pick one or the other Adam. Is that young ish? Keita's at one. Get him off yet thought complaining. How looks like he's bad? Twenty three or twenty four is that right is got to be one of the younger ones out there for sure because he was a young God. Maybe it's just because I'm an older gentleman these days but as I this kid would drive me crazy complaining. What what on earth to be complaining about in Your Life. Your survivor already. You obviously didn't have a job. Accept your career and your at complaining so get off. Survivor you always. Why are you complaining? You know? Signed up more buddy. Well he's paranoid Lee because everyone is trying to figure out where the idol is if anybody has it on that tribe and Adam is convinced that Sarah or Ben has it. And we all know as the viewer and Sarah's to of course that Adam. You're wrong your spidey. Senses are dead wrong. It's sophie that has it. Yeah it's Sophie. That has it you idiot now. I can't get all the names right but the other one was saying almost like she was saying. Oh all basically empty all my possessions and shower and all my saying like if I'm prepared to do it then everyone else should do it. But the other girl didn't do it. No one else did it anyway. But she wasn't GonNa do it because she had the idol. Is that right well? Yes Sophie has it. Yeah we don't we don't. We don't know where Sophie has. It is it. Is it on? Her body is buried. We don't know but you're right. I thought that was a little a little interesting that Sarah was like all right. Look Dude I don't have it. Let's just our bags and be done with this. So you can stop freaking out that I have it because I don't but I mean has Sarah talked to Sofia advance like. Hey don't have it in your bag. And in case he calls her bluff on this right like you know we gotta empty everything like Sarah. Serono'S SOPHIE HAS IT. So you know unless she was trying to blow up her spot. I don't think she would have been. They must have had a prearranged. Like I don't know. Put it in your crotch and we'll all into your bags or something. I read like a very cop. Move to me 'cause Sarah's a cop so she gets easily intimidated purposes. It's like hey fine you want me to show you everything I got. I'll show you know that's okay but I mean seriously. They're sitting there. Adam is accusing Sarah and ben of having the idol. And they're like no no no no no no no no no no no and so just sitting there being completely quiet looking away like in that moment when you be like vow protest too much. Yeah did you not pick up on that at all? Or why did you not just mention her name? When you're saying people who might have the idol? There's only three people there. It doesn't take much that throw Sophie's name into the mix but Adam is like he spins it the other way right he's like. Oh yes Sarah and band. They're like being so loud pretending to find one and like they're being so demonstrative that they don't have one that means they do have one like he actually straight up just tricks himself definitely with the old. I don't know what you would call that. But it's like it's that's exactly what he does it's paranoia. He's yeah he's just he's one of those players that is completely paranoid all the time. The game is always in his head and he just doesn't know what to do with that energy except for you accused and the other part is and it's you know all the credit in the world to sophie to her because like he really is what he's saying here on the trail. You're getting this to me. Adam is saying well I know. Sophie doesn't have it she ain't GonNa find an idol like that's like that's how it read to me. He's like no no. It'd be one of you to either. Sarabande like that's more your sort of Mo at Sophie's not out there looking for idols. And and even as she is she's not final index. She's she's mad underrated gaining more and more respect for her. I know everybody's a winner out there but like even like pretty bad ass in these challenges to like she holds her own and is like seems to always be on puzzles and stuff like that. It's like she's pretty damn good one hundred percent they it seems to be the dominators in this season are the quiet ones quiet calculating and just calm cool collected because you got you got so fi. You've got the niece Even Sarah to two degree and Jeremy as well. They're just playing it cool. That's exactly right okay. So then we have the immunity challenge. We had the great strategy in the end from the green tribe. Go extra slow when transferring the water on their saucers so they only had to do the one trip. They didn't spill a lot of water. The other tribes were and that worked paid off and then they took care of the wooden puzzle. Sophian ben crushed that one and then we get the well. We get the very close. The photo finish between the blue tribe in the red tribe and we had Wendell talk and trashed appropes. There's a lot coming out of this one. You know this was sort of glossed over it when we were talking about. You'll getting voted out but you know there was a lot of talk earlier right after it. That man what is Window Doing Mike. Just shut up stop talking probes and stop trying to call them over. Do you think that was overblown or or like window was talking to us on our podcast? He says he likes to talk a little trash when you hoops. I think I think we didn't see something the way it was just the way it was edited either. It didn't get caught because they made such a big deal about him talking smack and I don't think it was that one shot of him trying to get Jeff's attention because in a previous season he wendell got screwed out of winning a challenge because he didn't get attention. Yeah famously So there is something else there that that we didn't see it has to be. Because why would they make big deal of? It doesn't make any sense to me. There is that little moment when they're crossing on the beams and Jeff yells out something like sell a loses a ton of water. Don't exaggerate Jeff and Nick Chimes in right. Then he's like. Hey man just focus on talented. Yeah exactly and there was a moment last week where Wendell was talking to jeff so I just have to imagine. He's talking to him the entire time. They're out there. Yeah it didn't someone say just ignore him a jeff because Jeff was giving it back. It sounded like like like two kids bickering. You know. Just ignore him. Don't worry he'll go away. But the funniest thing I notice from the challenge was Wendell's team you know they didn't quite have enough water to fill up the thing to drop the puzzle pieces and went to try to wring out his shirt you to give it a like like I mean how much is on that possibly like a couple of drifts that he did you see. There's a quick shot where Wendo I thought he was just cooling himself down with the water splashing it on himself but I think what he was trying to do is get it on his shirt trying to get as much water onto a ring in. But we don't know who the Queen is anymore but Wendell certainly the drip gun yes warrior. Wendo leaning into that close one is Bang Bang and I think I did hear Stephen Fishbach. Say about that idea of like. Hey Jeff probst. We're almost ready. Get over here and like you perfectly said there. Jd like he's already had experience with this where he didn't call probes over and it backfired but also Fischbach was like it's almost beneficial for you to always call probst over that you're almost done because the other tribe instinctively stops what they're doing and looks over for a second because you're like oh like are they. Are they close? It's just one of those weird like human nature things where you're like. Oh they must be done so let me just look away from the puzzle for a second so it's like it's almost on a tiny little strategy. You could buy you a second. Of course they end up losing by a second but Yeah I'm with you there. There either is more going on between Wendell and probst or they're making a way bigger deal out of Wendell just saying let's not exaggerate Jeff while giant saucer then we We basically talked about the next scene. That was down. You know really deciding that they were going to get rid of Wendell. And and then we get to tribal council and we had. You'll breaking down. The market economy of fire took really really breaking down. Guy Is just brilliant and get more on the window. Michelle existing pre existing relationship and all that and ultimately. You'll voted out and gives us fire Tokens to Sophie and Sarah. Anything anything else to add from this episode either random observations or anything from those scenes. We just went through well. This is going to tribal council and survivor played a song with lyrics. Yeah Yeah I was like. I looked over to Laura is like music. Yeah words just didn't make sense. I don't know if they've ever had like an actual song. That didn't just have like you know digitally dues. Yeah I mean and the lyrics were something like you. Better be ready. They're coming for you or something what they said. But that was yeah. I can't remember that ever being a case you're right trey thought maybe we did see did see Aranda Song for them because she's a superfan you know. Is that her singing? And then I will songs on survivor. Confining but yeah yeah it was weird a thing. I love a random observation I love. How half asked a Frisk is on survivor? Anytime somebody comes up with like well. Let's just frisky. All everybody does is sort of like half ass like pat their pockets and like sort. Pretend to leg dangle their shirt a little bit and then that's it if like they've done this multiple times. I got the frisk everybody and everyone just sorta does not even looking at it started. Just do this like little jostle of their clothes a little bit. And they're like okay. I guess that's good. I mean come on. Let's let's go full on like you're going into a sporting event you know like really Frisk Me Damn Pat me down like come on. How do you know I don't have always kills me for some reason? Yeah well you know. Want to check under somebody's balls. You don't WanNa be the guy that was frisking everybody out there Carlton Lee. What did you think of Tony? Given two thumbs up see. Yeah I did say that same. I'm watching on my TV. So I couldn't really go and get a scrabble but I wanted to say something like this very solid show tonight. But unfortunately Couldn't couldn't couldn't get the screen grab of it so if someone else has got their. Please send it along. It was a good two thumbs up two zero five of you. It was very strange how he was doing tasks. I have a question for you. Okay so we let's say us the NO DUNKS team? Let's say we can do the five of us for whatever reason I know? They only had four. But we're in the challenge and you're our leader. Are you going with the green strategy of like? Let's go slow and steady or are we going with the? Let's let's just go a little quicker some water but don't worry we'll make it up and just two quick sort of you know runs of the of the challenge. What's what what do you think is the right call? Well I got the vibe from that challenge that they have seen something like that before. Yeah they had and I'm not quite clear if they knew exactly how much water in that circular thing would fill that other container thing. Do you know that one full one fills the other one pretty well. I don't think they do. No I don't think so then I would go fast Yeah patients I would like even though they've done stuff like that before I think one production note would be to show the overhead of the container to show how where those flags would go down like at what point you reach the top and finish the challenge. They didn't show that thing image aig once so there is no no payoff. There's no hey this is what they have to get to it at any point. I WOULD. I would like that. Yeah I guess. They're hoping that they just want the the drama of Oh Green tribe taken it. Mad Slow not spilling any water. Is this going to work or not? Right like yeah. Is it going to get to the top to release the puzzles? We never see it. This suspense of that was crazy for me. Like that is a crazy gamble to me because not only does it take you way longer like they were lapped when they were doing it almost but it one false move near the end of that whole thing kills that strategy right like I would be. It's just it was just a big gamble and I'm glad it paid off for them but wow I wouldn't. I don't think I'd have the balls to do that. Yes you're right. Especially when both of the other tribes are like going much much faster the New Orleans. And you don't even know like I said you like is this GonNa work like. Is this going to be enough water? Did we just completely blow this now? but I guess you could make a calculated guess that the producers of the game are thinking like hey you go slow and steady and you get all that water. Their work The odds of getting all that water. They're low though. So maybe you go quicker and you're GONNA SPILL 'EM SO. I'M PRETTY SURE. They get walked through the challenges. Don't they like? Just this is what it is and you actually walk the course almost. Yeah but I'm sure they're not like hey. If you get your entire one saucer over here that'll be like they're not gonNa tell you you're going to guess that part. I assume but again. I think you could have a pretty good calculated guests like that'll work but it's damn it's still like you still have to pull it off right. That's the other part. It's like yeah maybe one saucer. We'll get it to the puzzles for drop. But we still gotta get there and then into the thing which isn't even that easy either. I mean the real loser of this challenges. Nick because he had actually done it. You'd have known. Yeah Good Point. Good point only other thing. I have your Jd. We did. They did cut for time. A another challenge a reward challenge. That happened on day. Seventeen so it never made it into the episode. I think it was for pizza. Reggie if you can clarify that but yeah So that was that was cut for time. Which with edge of extinction you sort of have to do this and unless you make this the show an hour and a half which they very easily could or have also seen people say. Why don't you make edge of extinction which has been really entertaining this year and it's helped in part by having all the legends there? Of course why. Don't you make that like its own? Like bonus show on. Cbs access or something. Like that to really give you an idea of what's happening over there as a subscriber to CBS access. I think that's great. Okay okay okay. And now that you'll is out or at least to edge. 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Critters that and my unathletic body healthy appetite and can't do attitude. My question is this. Has anyone ever been injured by the wildlife while out there? I really hope you guys keep doing survivor shows even after basketball returns again much love from Patrick all the way from Denmark who is now a die hard survey survivor fan. Did you love to see it? Yeah we've got a lot of people tweeted and say. Oh my God you guys somehow got me hooked on survivor. I started a podcast which is great. So yeah the question. Has anyone ever been injured by the wildlife out? There injured one hundred percent. But I don't think anyone's ever been evacuated because of an animal caused injury at at least from my quick research and from what I can remember now again. Injuries remember. Denise got bitten by something poisonous in the Philippines when she was at their way back a few of the earlier seasons John from our cases he had the Sir Sir Sea Urchin spine and his finger. Kathy peed on it. If you remember Yeah we had. Somebody gets stabbed in the foot by a stingray back in Thailand Richard Hatch. I think a bit while wrestling a shark so it happens but no one has had to hang on. Hang on hang you just gloss over that? What what the Hell is he wrestling? Shock baby shark like in the shallow water and he was on. All Star is not the first season where Richard Wrestling it at all. It's a hilarious seed like look it up. It's so funny. And he tells the story incredibly but yeah he gets bit. You get the thing bites onto. I think just one more note about the animals though they say season three and Africa was by far the scariest because there were legit like lions and elephants roaming around like the Boma they set up around their camps the thorny branches like to keep predators and there are rumors like the African military was on hand like with guns and ordered to shoot like in the event of any real danger. Yeah and the people that were on that season. They've talked about like how scary it was. There could see piercing is like in the middle side of the branches. Like Oh God. That's a real survivor. But I don't think anyone had to leave the game because I don't know because that's like a shark bit them. Yeah I think you're right and there have been obviously a lot of just injuries as well on survivor. We've seen a dislocated shoulder from a really rough challenge or people hobbling from sprained ankles. There's also been quite a few people medically evacuated having medical problems out there on the island that are too important than to timely that they need to be taken care of right away rather than just hanging out on a beach for another thirty days. So I'm GonNa hit you guys right now with my top five medical evacuations in survivor history. Top by by talk number five Neil from cow wrong who was removed from the game for multiple staph infections. This was a disgusting one. Infection is by far the easiest way to get out of survivor. It's happened quite a few times in this one. They bring Dr to the to the beach soon the day after a challenge and they check so many people for wounds check Aubrey they check NBA player. Scot Pollard. They check another guy and then they finally checked. Neil and I was watching this clip this morning with the girls and every time they showed this guy's wounds they were like he's got one on his knee. That looks disgusting. And then he turns around and he's got one is backed that has like black pus coming out of it and scanning and the doctor's like actually that one's fine the one on your knees the problem because it's going to eat your knee in our like what so that's number five staph infections yet. It's hard to keep your wounds clean when you're on a beach at number four Mike from Samoa who was pulled from the game for being too old after after a very intense challenge that I would. I would call it a basket Bra. It's like down in the pit. There are people wrestling for a ball. Almost like xfl kickoff style where you gotta run out there and grab the ball. Then they throw it to people on a platform to shoot like probably Twenty Foot. Shot into a basketball hoop. This guy. Mike is Sixty two years old out there smashing his body and like twenty five year olds throwing around. He literally. Looks like Jeffrey tambor character. So I mean he's not he's not the tightest bod- out there they come and check in the next day and he's just like exhausted dehydrated and honestly just sore from playing basketball. It's twenty year olds for an hour so Mike in Samoa being all those tough one at number three Shomar on survivor Karen got sent home for having sand in his. I saw a controversial Chamara was not well liked by his tried. He been targeted in previous tribal councils. He told his tribe. I'M GONNA quit this game then. The next day. He got a grain of sand in his eye. Nobody believed him but the doctors came out. Check that they're like this could seriously mess. Up His vision he could get scratched corneas. You don't want sand in your eyes literally. Everybody knows that but the guy had a tough run to start the season of survivor so nobody believed legit evacuation. Yikes AT NUMBER. Two my favorite survivor medical evacuation. Even though it comes in at number we've talked about it for a second here Bruce on Panama who got constipation after eating too many burgers back and read through all of the information about this. He claims that he didn't poop for ten days. Ask Ten days so then he wins reward GEL engine. It's actually a challenge where you can either eat while the other people compete or you're competing for immunity. He chose to eat while they compete. So he's eating Burgers as fast as he can and then afterwards he's like couldn't pass a deuce. Couldn't pass a DEUCE. You gotta be careful. We've seen a lot of people get tripped up by eating too much on reward challenges even if they're just lethargic but bruce as far as I can tell the only guy to be evacuated for eating too much. Tragic but number one the first and most dramatic medical evacuation. No doubt Michael Season to survivor. He fell into a fire while attending it and basically burned all the skin off his hands scary. That was bad bad. He's just like blowing into the fire. You know to help it grow a little bit. But kinda inhale smoke and basically passes out catches himself with his hands and that destroys his hands he goes into the ocean starts. You know just trying to cool his body down and he's got bad it was especially right he he started was coming into his own rate at that time during the game as well like he was really really getting into it as I remember like to the point where he was sort of like hunting wild boar and like paintings like Lord of the flies style and then he just fell into the fire and it was all over all right. Great tough either. Tk well that didn't even like coming all right before we wrap this up guys tasks start with you. Mvp of the episode. Who you giving it to or what. I'll give it to Jeff gropes for not being baited by Wendell. Just doing his job stays staying professional and no words. No words thrown back at Wendell whatsoever. Jeff gropes that's why he's the best. This game is the legally. Mvp BACK to back weeks. My Man Wendell telling you man if he keeps doing this keeps on snatching victory from the jaws defeat. He's GONNA BE MVP every week. I mean just incredible that he's still alive. Although I know you go to like a edge of extinction anyway officially dead but yeah I just thought he was. GonNa last night so great job Wendell. He's playing some other sort of mind trick game when everyone else I think and I think that's fantastic trade you because you've said before you. You like Wendell's chances to win again to win this season. Do you still believe that. Like I mean even with this edit he is getting and truly win this game I mean. I'm wearing HASHTAG team. Wendell Bob so canny absolutely on Iran of individual immunities here but also there's no ways GonNa win. It's not looking good for my man. It's pretty funny that we finally started as five or podcast and then like the one guy who's ever been on. Our show is into crosshairs for the entirety of the first two hours. We've been talking about it that's my. Mvp is Michelle because you went from last episode. Being one of the two who was possibly going to go to now. Having Wendell on the defensive she helped with the vote and she's really flying under the radar hair. I think she's playing a great game. One hundred percent agree. Gd MVP. Fire Tokens one. They are well they really got into your head for one thing who knows how valuable they'll be but they are definitely a factor in the game and I think just getting back to just going full circle here. You'll being the strategic player that he is. I think he just got overwhelmed by things. Like fire tokens and the edge of extinction and being an old school player. Coming in the game in general is more fluid. There's there's more hidden advantages and that he has to contend with factor in fire tokens and edges. Extinction I mean the strategy of who am I gonNa vote out on good terms in case they come back from edge of extinction is just. I think it just did his head in. The fire tokens as well. So Fire Tokens. Mvp of this up. So I mean yeah well said I mean really did appear that way. I'll give MVP to what's his name again. The Guy in the Boston had I o Boston. Rod William Boston Rahva. Mvp just because he's the greatest hitter and they'll be history now that seven fifty in the clench but those smooth. I always do love a good flashback to survivor episode. Where it's like okay. You think this is happening and then it's like Oh ten minutes prior Boston. Rob just sprinted up there with portly belly there and got all those basically all of them portly check. It almost worked out for him that he didn't find all of them in a weird way. You know what I mean like. It was almost beneficial. That Tyson got one or he overlooked one or something like that. I think that actually helped him. That Tyson got the one and everybody knows. Tyson has one but just really. No one knows who has the other three but Boston. Rob Come through in the clutch also showed how great he is a bluffing and land basically. Because he had the three tokens and he definitely fooled me. Any fool trae. I think we were all ruled until we saw that edit that none of them suspected him at all. Keven was smart enough to ask amber. Like just jokingly hey hey you got any there was like she would if she had got him smooth and considering that they all knew that he got there first and he still convinced them that he didn't have any. It's pretty great. Yes that's a great point. Yeah they all knew he was there on the scene I and then he's just playing dumb that he that he couldn't find any year. You're absolutely right okay. So we have the merge we got the drop your buffs. That's happening next week. Very very exciting. God always one of the general usually one of the more enjoyable episodes from season. Because it's just pure insanity and by the looks of it it's going to be like everybody's throwing around names and who do you trust and all that my final question here before we say goodbye like who do you have sort of the most facing or who is in the best spot heading into this merge jd. Who Do you think it is going into the merge Who's just set up? Well I think Jeremy is extremely setup. He is under the radar. He's got it. Seems like there's a pretty strong alliance with him Denise and Kim and possibly Tony as well so if it's the four of them then there's two other alliances that they have to deal with both of them have three and one of them has a as Wendell who seems like he is on his way out but who knows But I would say Jeremy. Okay trae who had. I think it's tough. I mean I kind of think that next week's vote is GonNa be it's GonNa be big. We're GONNA see some serious flipping. We're going to see some original red tribe flip over to the blue tribe. So that's why I kinda got to think of a blue tribe member who I think is in the best spot and I think it might be Michelle. I think she's just doing She does such a great job of just cruising along and throwing throwing concerns on other people just kind of get an offer. She has befriended everybody that she's been on a tribe with she's playing an incredible social game and I think that I think blue is going to be looking good. Come merge time interesting with only having the three people. Sometimes that's beneficial. You're absolutely right and Kim is ready to flip. I mean she set up right with Jeremy and denise who were both originally Soleil member so that changes the numbers to a blue advantage right there. Yeah that's true and just so everybody knows because it's always important when you had into the merge like where the analyze Sarah has a steal a vote. Sophie has an immunity idol sodas. Kim and Jeremy has that safety without power The peace out as we've called it where you can just get up and leave a tribal council. So that's where all the the weapons right now because that could come into play too especially we have some sort of split type of vote here and they're still vote could worker immunity idol. If people don't know you have it and stuff like that so it should be good all right so get your questions in no dunks. The DOT com. If you've got a survivor specific question. Throw survivor in the subject. And we'll be back with no buffs next week as for Monday's film session. I know we had a poll up. What was leading the poll by the way remember? Was IT Airbud? It's gotta be air but okay well. Here's the thing we're going to hold on. We'RE GONNA get to Airbus. Don't you worry? We'll tackle that dog But we're going to go. We're going new school because new schools dominating survivor. We have decided. We're GONNA WATCH UNCUT GEMS for Monday's film session. So that is your homework here. Coming up on Friday Saturday and Sunday. GotTa get uncut gems in you international Netflix people. I think you've got it. You have it on that service. Not here in the states yet. But I I guess it's what video-on-demand we can buy it here in the states week rent. It okay okay. Yeah rented Uncut Gems Mondays Film Session. And we're working on a new squad will obviously be hitting the beach. We got no boss a whole lot more in the works until next time the tribe is spoken.

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Survivor 40 | Tarans Winners at War Episode 4 Update | Andy Herren

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Survivor 40 | Tarans Winners at War Episode 4 Update | Andy Herren

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It's going great here and thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure. Yes I know. You're a big big fan of survivor. And so I definitely. I have to talk to Andy about this season absolutely. I literally have since I've since maybe like episode seven of season one but then I went back up unhappy yes. I've seen every episode in every season of survivor. I love it yes and I also I like that. I have you on as well because you are also a winner of one of these shows and so I feel like you had Kevin Martin winner of last week yes and so I feel like as as a winter you might have some perspective at least some extra perspective on how these people are playing how you might play in an all season of big brother right. It's like it's it's so crazy because I feel like I think. Survivor cast a few people that can win. Preseason big brother it's like I think there are maybe like six out of sixteen people that casting even thinks has the potential to win whatsoever and so having like it's already when you're playing a game it's like if you can deduce the one of people you've got a pretty good shot. It's like this. I mean there are twenty of them that have that equal shot so well and like nick but I yeah. I've been saying this is. This is probably the best cast in reality show history. I mean I wouldn't argue with that. It's like we were saying before we went live that for me. It's been like a fever dream like I feel like I'm like imagining it. It's been so thrilling. Watching it and seeing it like come to fruition. You know it really does feel like it's fan fiction like like it's just in our in our minds we're like well. We have always imagined what season like this would look like and now it's happening right in front of us. Although I think this was imagined we'd have some some changes in the outcome. So yeah I agree I very much agree and probably know extinction islands. No although it's like I go back and forth on edge of extinction like I wish that we got to see more than anybody else did like the segment from last night I like about. It was very late touching. I like watching Ethan. Yeah but still I. I wish we got a little bit more gameplay all right. So let's get into it we're going to recap the episode and then afterward we're going to get into the legacy watch track the legacy of the winners as we progress through the season and so we started this episode off now the previous episode that. I talked about with Kevin. I felt like there were a lot of like little connections that had been made in previous confessionals episodes before and they kind of came to fruition in the previous episode this episode. I felt like Zillow a lot. More straightforward in terms progressing. The story that had already been building. I think that I mean what will eventually find out. Is that last? Episode was kind of the culmination of Sally's story right. There was the last time they went to tribal. And we get a little bit of like a you know. After what do they call it the a little bit of an epilogue in this episode with them but but I think that there was a lot of combination that happened in the previous episode. So we do get some fallout from the tribal where Adam he feels. Betrayed by by Rob Rob is explaining to Adam. He's like a Man. I felt traps. And we're GONNA do right. I mean I kind of what he deserved. It's like you like what do you think it's I think. The sound bite from last week when poverty was just like. What was he thinking he went to rob with an immediately came to me and now. I know he's playing even only poverty and rob didn't get their way at an still wasn't in on the planet. Adam was like stress for the bottom and I mean if you're going to sleep play outside that's what you get but I guess they worked out well for Adam and he's still there another GonNa do a Slob and I think I think Adam is GonNa be okay for a little bit Adam. Adam tells us in conventionally Hubris to think that I could get away with it clearly. I did not I do I you know. Adam took a lot of heat last week. One for the move and two for the fact that it cost Ethan of all people and so he was taking a lot of heat but like I I love Adam. He's completely able to in the moment. Look at himself and be my bad animals. Getting eight four two and it's just like Hey oh he'd like Internet hate after the fact it's like why I mean it's like he's playing a game John Gimhae for like playing with the cars of these going if someone goes after your favorites it doesn't mean they're like a bad person in real life. Don't scream at them on the Internet. You know so Adam is going to. I couldn't tell at first if this was Adam going around trying to do damage control or if this was just like the let's all pile on atom our because as individual conversations with with and Michelle and Jeremy and bans just like Dadgum it. Adam do that has a direct quote. I think it was subtitled. Although they subtitled it dad gum. It and I felt like it was more of a Dag. Yeah I agree yeah with Michelle Michelle just like now you see what happens when you leak information from the Kinda like bad as Michelle these last few weeks and like I fully admit that I was in the camp of people that just credited her went a little bit. I really wanted to win. Ability jury was a little sexist towards Aubrey. But I'm really liking Sean. I'M GONNA eat my words a little bit I. I've been actually pretty impressed with our. Yeah I've definitely been to join her. And I've been theorizing in the previous recap of what were the motivations behind Jeremy and Michelle blindsiding. Adam in the way that they did was it for punishment's sake was it to sort of maybe get in with Boston. Rob And poverty. I don't think we really got an answer in this episode but I I was. I was amused with Michelle. Just really dislike US right. I really did a Adams. Pretty adaptable and the factor. He literally just like. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I did learned my lesson. It's not gonNA happen again. I mean as you saw he actually means it. I mean I don't. I don't mean to jump the gun when he was talking to rob on the beach. I'm not going to give you any information. He really does. I think he really sorry. Yeah and I just love this tribes dynamic the whole time we lost Natalie. We Lost Ethan in that kind of sucks but I like the way that this tribe has gone through the strategy I think the perfect example of what makes us a winter. Season and bacall has been a bit more straightforward. And we'll talk about that for what happens in this tribal but sell it starts out there there initially thinking about targeting rob's he's a big target but he he finds out he crushes it and then he starts. Don't nobody say my name and then it's like okay. It's Adam or denise then Adam flips it onto Natalie Jeremy Michelle or on the ads and they managed to get back in when Danny screws up and then Adam tries to make this power move Jeremy and Michelle. Or to to savvy at a messes up by telling rob and now it's just constantly flipping around because they're all on top of it and they're all trying to play hard. I still kinda wonder where we would be of Danny up. So colossally like Schumer's shockingly bad and. I wonder like what that I am because I think she would still be there for sure if she hadn't freaked out. I think she'd still be there. I think Ethan would still be there too I do too so Adams got castrated in front of everybody. Does I feel like he knows you know I mean? Even when he's like but I know what you're all thinking why did I go to rob and you were like. Yeah and I talked about this last week that you could see Adam like dying inside looking like thinking that he was about to go home in the tribal and he. He says I pooped my pants tonight. Right it's time to. It's time to make an apology door. And so he's promising. He's I promise I will not go back to Robyn PARV. I will not go back to them and Ben tells us that Adam is lucky that rob and poverty our such bigger such big threats because otherwise he would be in big trouble and so Adam is doing his best as you said. He's trying to adapt here. He says whatever they tried. It's not GonNa work on me and Ben Ben Warns he says to us at least those two. They're they're good at what they do. You give them too much rope. They're going to wrap it around your neck and they're gonNA hang you which is clear foreshadowing for what happens later right so we then flip over to to call and we're hearing from you`ll. I will say for me this episode I. I don't try to read into the edit as much as I can in terms of giving away. Who's going to go home this week but this week? I kind of had a feeling that it might be based on the previews I was like no Tyson. So it's really really into it and right away as you'll resets like the strategic landscape of they're going to tribal so he's at hey we're on a roll we've got this this camaraderie. We have this illusion that we're all tight. We're trying to keep it that way. But the real power is me Sophie Wendell and Nick and we have these three over here and then we have Kim on the outs. And he says he feels good and he has the maximum range of options in front of him. So we're really getting the research that you'll is still firmly in control of this tribe. Yeah I'm cool that like you'll a lot. Yeah I mean he. He has done some some fantastic. I mean we'll talk about taste so we also hear from. Sofi briefly that she took a field trip to a prison wants in high school. And that's what it feels like looking at the edge of extinction risk. That was a cool analogy like that. It's like we did that you. I was younger and like most kids do that. That was a really cool way to raise it. I didn't realize that they could just see it right there. I had if I had a bunch of friends over and we were all so very floored by that. I was literally just right there. You could look even yell across the what if they tried to like build some kind of sign like a watch out for Adam right so she says that. The good times here are a facade. I have a feeling that the tribe unity onto call not going to be super long-lived even though they did stick together in this in this tribal like it's like I feel like I can easily branching out and going somewhere else. It's like she's been on the bottom for so long. I eat like I could see Sarah and Johnny and Sandra going and working. I mean it's like working with rob and possibly Harvey. I mean. You never actually know Robinson together would they? I don't know it depends on how tells rob right but it's like I almost feel like I know that Sandra has vendetta against drop. But it's like I think they need each other. You know they really do. It's just a matter. I mean it comes down to what we heard from. Sandra in this episode later on like I liked revenge. I also like two million dollars. So so we then we flip over to the edge of extinction and I will say I'm normally not a huge fan of edge that you know I don't I don't mind it right like when when I said at the start of this podcast that in our dream scenario extinction might not be there. I actually I don't think that's necessarily true. I feel like in the dream. Scenario Edry extinction is still there but we get like two hour episodes. The main problem with it is that the in game content is way better and we want to see more of that and so when agitating time. It's like but I wanna see what's happening in the strategy. I completely agree and even even when I liked the edge segment like I liked this week's I'd segment. I liked I thought it was like very inspiring lovely to kind of watch. Watch Ethan's Archer Naji but I still miss a lot of game plan. I wish I would have seen that. And said this was a particularly good segment though on the edge of extinction that Ethan has shown up and they have this new quest to go and get firewood one one. At a time. From one end of the island to go twenty times it was very reminiscent of Of the challenge. It felt like a different show. It's entirely different content was I was watching it with like five friends. And we're like we were like all that doesn't seem that horrible and then afterwards we were like okay. Maybe we're on star soccer players and collapse. They're gonNA be an okay. We're we're maybe we should maybe give them all of our credit. Yeah Natalie kills it. Of course yeah. She's nice she's just. Are we going to be devastated? If she doesn't come back I think I will. She should she deserves and so much more than anybody else. I mean it's like when Ethan out like no I need to Ethan back now. Tyson is there. I'm like no Tyson unseemingly Natalie. Kill it out there. But I also want Natalie back right right throwing. I actually met Tyson. I really really loved him as a person and I love even as a player and as a person. You can't deny how well Madel he's been doing. You Know I. I already like in my head bargaining with survivor. Gods like okay okay here here. The two people that can come back from right back guilt. You remember. Even if Nelly doesn't come back this time she gets to stay in. Did you get accurate to tries? Essentially so I think Natalie we'll probably get our way back I yeah I. She's definitely up there. I really wanted Ethan back. I still want Ethan back. But he's still having good content on extinction so if he can still find fulfilment on extinction right. Then let's have Natalie back in tr. Try Her hand at the Games. He was first one out. So it's it's going to be hard either. It's hard to like root for anybody to leave over anybody else. Who for anyone and come back always hated about extension is like last time? I mean Chris One because I feel like everyone bonded so much while they were on extinction with them and who someone had sounded this week about like how they all went through this experience together and maybe it was amber but they all bonded so intensely during this experience. And it's just like Oh that's annoying because like sure I mean. It's it's lovely than they're all bonding believe they're not playing the game. They're not making the decision Slaley. If one of them goes back to the other three such a strong connection with them now that they're going to vote for someone they never even played with. And you know we had this discussion prior to the season started. Starting where I mean I. There was a lot of sentiment that like these are winners. They would never vote for somebody that was on edge of extinction to win the game and I was like I. I don't know if we can be that certain. Because the very concept like reinforces itself. But they're only hanging out with those people and there's something about like well. I'm on edge of extinction. I would want to chance if I was the one to get back in and so already sort of justifying why it makes sense for somebody to win. Who was on edge extinction? Because you're one of those people snooping left like I would just be like. Oh if one of you makes it back I will. I'm GonNa vote for you would feel the same way about me. You know yeah and emotionally. I think it makes sense in strategically it makes sense to make some kind of packed like whichever one of US gets in. Let's vote for them because it's beneficial for everyone. There's no there's no strategic. There's no like game theory reason. There's no even really emotional reason to not do those things. The only reason to not do it is like Oh well. The fans might not like it right about that. Like like Look I do think that the winners are less likely to somebody from extinction. But I don't think it's a certainty that I that is exactly how I feel. I think it probably won't happen but I WANNA be shocked. Yeah I mean especially as you mentioned after a segment like this where we see. Ethan struggling I really I thought like Oh man arena lose Ethan from extinction jelly so I recently went back and washed a bunch of all their seasons before the sun. I was watching Micronesia. I think that's the one that's like four people are medically evacuate or a ton of the Meyer. And it's like do you think they'd like lessen the like the harshness of it a little bit. So that doesn't happen because we really don't get the medical Evacuations like we used to. It's true I am not sure why that is. You know it's it's always hard to know like how much food they're being given. Maybe yeah I don't know I feel ever doesn't seem like they suffer. Foodwise like they used to have you back over whether literally just like can't move because they're so starving and it's so deadly they don't they don't focus at all barely on these survival as you know. Yeah Yeah for sure. Especially like the Ethan's original season so yeah I mean I think that in general probably they're probably trying. I mean it's not. Even necessarily we saw Caleb. Caleb got actress is like he was in bed frame work. I mean it's caleb come on like no normal relatively smart person woodwork. They would stop. But it's a it's really. I think it tends to be people that overextend themselves or ice like get hurt right. So maybe we've gotten lucky lately but and I mean also a season like this. These are all experienced. Exactly right so yes we see. I was worried that he might be might be done but he managed to get to get back into into manages to finish and that was it was pretty emotional like it was very lovely walking back to his experience with cancer and You know being able to push through this and just Ethan makes me emotional. Every time I talk I guess long story short when I was watching it with my friends like just it was a lovely segment super emotional but ended and one of my friends just goes well. That was ten minutes a strategy. We just miss I was like what Dr Gregor's mindset. He's not wrong. Yeah so yes yes. As you mentioned at the end of it ambers talking about like they all went up with Ethan for the last one and they bonded like nothing like nothing else like. They're not playing a game like the only one maybe like. Maybe two of them theoretically could be in the game together. We did end up seeing that happen eventually on the original season that this happened but but for the most part only one of them is really gonNA have a chance to win this game so they there's not competition anymore as much as they can be a lot more close. They don't have to worry about being back stabbed and voted out of extinction islands. So they have much less incentive to hold back in terms of bonding experience and they're going through these physical hardships Nam. And so if if Ethan was the one that came back and he's sitting in the final tribal like. Are we really going to say that? Somebody people like amber and Danny like these people have bonded with Ethan and couldn't care less about anybody. Also maybe maybe Amoroso for rob over. Obviously but look if it's like Ethan and then like like by ether. Well Yeah so overall good segment here on extinction. Although I'm with your friend that was ten minutes this strategy that we missed on we do see a great conversation between Michelle and Rob Rob is playing the. What do they call it? The what was it the the Tiki something we figured so last time Turkey toss. I think it's I don't pay that much. I have no idea And she's like man. I didn't realize how long ago you guys played you. And me like yeah. It was like how old are you? Now you're nineteen when I when I played last your nine when I I play how crazy it is and she says like. Yeah you know my first time. I struggled with some of the backlash because my win was controversial and And we see. Rob Come in just like. Hey you win you win the end that site right and I pretty much agree that actually. Yeah I mean I mean you are somebody that I mean you had a dominant game. But you had a controversial reaction to your. You had your fair share of of haters as well right and I feel. Like you are definitely a proponent of like Hey I've got five hundred K. in the land. It's like I think that might give kind of aged aged. Well I feel like a lot of people seem to appreciate it more now which I appreciate after working hard all summer and getting on people being like you stopped. You didn't do anything I'm telling you. It was like sucks a little bit of a wins. The win you know. Yeah well it must be such a strange experience because especially for especially for you right because you didn't play such a great game. I'm sure you are like after you win. You must be thinking like I just did a great job and you come out and this punch people you suck shocked me as like sure. I GIVE FANS IT ON. Get up and even like alarm. There really was just like he didn't do anything. I was just thinking you know this. How did you not watch what I was doing? Get it you know. It's like you sort of see why. Michelle like might have this soon. It's definitely it's it seems to me like this. Is Her story line for the Season Right? Because that's kind of an advantage of being a winner. That's not looking like a super great winner because like sure I was all the qualities of a winner like you are social in your strategic and you are charming and you're easy to get along with and you make people like you but also like you don't see as threatening as everyone else and so I think that's a really good position to be in to be viewed as to be not saying you are weaker when our budget just shove perception of being weaker when our is a really good place to be in a season like this so I I'm curious you know if there was a big brother all winter season and you you were in it. Like how concerned are you as somebody who I think? Now is probably considered to be one of the top to your winters. Like how concerned are you with your legacy with with your reputation for as a winner when you're playing a game like that? I mean I'm not I really don't care that much about legacy or anything I mean. It's flattering being known as a good winner. But I just like I wanted to play the game I want to do. I wanted to live a dream. I didn't really care what people thought which I mean the way that I played. It's like I could've made like grandiose bigger moves but instead I need like the smaller less satisfying moves slim to the Thai would win if I played again to play lead differently. I don't think I could be as quiet and as I was the first time so I think I would actually maybe be a little more likable this time because like knowing me. I can tell them to go fuck themselves because like I don't have to like walk on eggshells. I now know kind of like what it's like to like. I would like give up the features. I think I know a little bit more of the INS and outs of what it needs to be likable by the saying cater. My game to be liked by chance. I know now little things here and there to do and then my thing is I worry just because I'm not that close with a lot of winners any like it's like unconnected right I have. I have a pretty good now. We're go actually not count on a couple of times when it's like. I have some really good friends that I've made from my experience on big brother from my season from other seasons but none of them are winners. Leinen is that if you winter's like actually dot like like I like trouble there we're thinking I mean barring myself at the other people I feel like such an asshole and I'm half kidding but it's like the coolest most likeable most normal people like normally whim and so it's like if I would like to think I would fare much better on a lake returning players season if the owners and I was one of them but it was. It was an all winter season. I see going many different ways with me. I think if someone that really doesn't like got it right away they could just be up immediately or I think in in the background and I think one of my big skills gap thing. I think I would be able to adapt to the situation. If I saw tension among other people I would like try to stoke that I would try to just kind of kind of on the season like who is he like. Why are we legalize Julie? I think that's like if people are forgetting your name. That's a good thing at this point in the game all right so so I think we're definitely seeing the scene with rob and Michelle to sort of again indicate robbed. I think it's survivors not always great at showcasing social bonds. Because they don't have very much time right. And there's always so focused on advantages and challenges and tribal and the strategizing right before tribal. It's hard to really focus on the relationships and that's what Boston Rob's although talking about this game is about relationships and so I think we're seeing a little bit of that here. This sort of thing that gives him the credibility to later on in this scene. Come up with a lie about atoms so we hear from Jeremy that Adams like one of his children knows that they're disappointed him so he's trying to soften things up and now all of a sudden he is the hardest working I can is. Yeah Yeah She's just like walking around with waters. I ain't GonNa need this Catholic being like now for your night on. We'll be blurred a little bit. Yeah he's digging around for like fire what he's like. Oh He's Kinda like slips over great great stuff there. There is a quick scene. Where Denise is talking Denise says I think to Ben or somebody like Oh Adam has changed around camp today like now. He's different and we still haven't heard from denise how she feels about the whole Adam Situation. That scene kind of made it seem like she really was with the others in kind of feeling bad about Adam but it was set up that they were supposed to be a duo and so I'm really like I'm lost on where denise stands right now right. I wish I wish we heard a little bit more from her. Because she's also relate very well spoken anything. Just one confessional. We would know exactly what I wish they get. They gave us just a little teeny sound bite or something like that. We're at is I mean I. I really like because she's one of my favorites and just hoping that not seeing a lot of her means that she's going to stick around for a little bit longer which I like now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back and we're back so let's get back to the show so Jeremy lets us know as long as Adam keeps this up. They'll keep him around the it'll be all right but robin in poverty. They have a different idea happening that they rob is like I hate being at the mercy of everyone else. I don't like this. Poverty tells us that she feels the need to avenge Ethan because he gave her his fire token and they had a pretty close bond there in the tribe it seemed so they're going to pitch to Adam and I love this. They're pitching to add them because they're trying to get him in trouble. He recognizes that they're trying to get in trouble and he's shutting them down. He's not giving them any ammunition he says he says to us. He's like I know I know they're looking for something to hang me with. I'm not going to give it to them. I'M NOT GONNA fall into this trap but the problem is it doesn't matter if he falls as rob is going to come up with something he's he's like he goes to PARV. Should we bury him? Yeah so nonchalantly. I really liked that. Yeah Rob tells us this is survivor. I gotTa Live. Buddy this is not gonNA look. There's not going to be good for out of it. So they have like Michelle was like talking logic confessional and Michelle being like that atom like. I could not believe he did that. And it's just so Michelle believed it believed Drought Harvey. This definitely was portrayed that That rob came up with the lie. He he's he goes up to Michelle and Jeremy's like what should I do about Adam? He's he's already trying to talk to me. What am I saying? What am I supposed to say to him and it seemingly Jeremy and Michelle completely piss up. Jeremy did like I. I can totally see Jeremy. Giving national being like. Here's here's what we see we see Michelle. And confessional be like. Oh Adam why are you doing this? You gotta go and then we see. Michelle asked Jeremy. A what name do you right now. Right and Jeremy Says Adam he's gotta go. This is too much. I can't I can't keep up with all of this. He's gotta go. I Love Robin Poverty. But I am also just like how are you. Not our well Yeah why we're playing with Robin Poverty. I would just like literally nothing you say. Ever going to believe. And we're like we're constantly hearing from. It's so funny because I feel like the German Michelle playing on this level that they're trying to play like a top level game right but trying to be in control. They're trying to do things might not seem like common sense. But don't worry I've got something. I feel like Adam was trying to play on an level even above that right was too much and then we have Ben. Who's just like a little bit more common sense and in some respects? It's a little bit better. Because he's he's the one that's constantly like guys they're dangerous. Ryan Party needs go very dangerous. Don't give them any rope. They'll hang us. Yes you're right. Yeah and so. That's that seems to be the status quo here for La that that Adam is the one in danger if they lose this challenge and then we head over to call once again and we're GONNA get a Tyson segment here. He's been bonding. He's been spending this time trying to to bond with people him and Sarah have been bond that they've been having a lot of fun. Definitely not a connection that I would anticipate prior to the agreed it was like. I just really don't like Sarah but I think this segment kind of humor is a little bit. I feel like so many people always talk about. How like like in Game Changers? They were all just so much just never I never got. It was like one of the first times where I was like. Oh I can actually see. She's being goof inches being fun. She's being silly. I actually got to see her being likable. Ideally she always seems so like bug-eyed and serious and worried. Mike just usually makes me anxious watching her. Yes I feel like. There was nice seeing her in a different light absolutely. It's exactly what I was thinking. Like game changers was I feel like the Epitome of survivor being unable to translate relationships in the show and I do think they're doing a bit better here like I said trying to showcase rob's relationships trying to choke Sarah's. She had a secret seen last week where she talked about how she feels like she's making friendships. And they're really bonding on the tribe. And we're going to get some of that here. Which she she's now bonding with Tyson. And this is the first time that I I am seeing as you mentioned. The Sarah from game changes that everybody talked about what he thought was their best friend and then stabbed them in the back and so I'm like really I'm I'm starting to appreciate and I did appreciate his game before starting to really understand it. Better appreciate it on a new level engaged. I definitely wanted to win. And you've got to find out three that consists of culpeper choice and it's like of course they weren't killed but I like seeing her as more humid so Tyson says that while everybody else's you know he's got his head in the game and he's starting to think about the tribes is when I when I look when I sit back and I look at the whole tribe. I'm noticing that the all the one timers they could be kind of in control here. You'll Nick Wendel. What's her face face that other one so sophie? She's so far under the radar. I forgot her name and I loved. I've been saying for the best in the game and I think that's a perfect explanation as to why right now. I really agree. And it's like I I kind of go back and forth on. I kind of think Tyson's right. It's like I mean. Tyson Hisen Sandra Tony Kim and Sara should like. They should be able to get the other four are clearly together. But it's like I guess with a slob coming up who knows and so I guess like one because it seemed like the other three. Were Pretty on board with getting rid of Nick. But Sandra was the one that wasn't and I guess like title. Tyson did say that he was coming after. Sandra and so I feel like with that being out there I guess I kind of understand her wanted to get rid of them but part of me is just like I don't know if it was the right move because he was also like just as big of a target. She was and within their lessons spotlight on her and now with him gone. I probably be bigger on her door. Just say there are so many variables with every possible choice. That's made yeah. They're definitely a Lotta different angles to look at this particular tribal and but I what. I was surprised most about here is that this is apparently the first time that anybody has even recognized that these four and control and Tyson is going to go and pitch this idea to Tony. Sandra and it's so under the radar like you'll and Sophie and Wendell and Nick have been doing such a good job of keeping that alliance a secret that Tyson pitches this and sanders like no that's shady. That's a lie like Sandra can't see this like of all people like that. That is impressive to me. They've been on that trip for ten days. I agree so sanders says look. I don't care as long as it's not me. Tyson says well it's GonNa be you soon. I don't think is wrong. But Santa's he threw the first stone and he's gotTa go right. Yeah that's been Sandra's whole arc the whole season. It's like you know like which like I guess like. I mean it'll be interesting to see where it goes from there. You know three hundred the immunity challenge and I will say again. It was another good challenge. Fuelling challenge personal but first of all that Ki- that they had to jump for was so high and they clearly did you see that because they picked all their shortest members. That was so weird. It was like the neath poverty and Atta right. Yeah I wonder if they thought like these are our best swimmers. So let's let's pick them but clearly it was all about the jump and We basically Adams the only one even close to capable although I guess poverty to get one right right but he's only five right like she. She tried once. She's like happening right. So Adam is having to go over and over and over again and I like I said. I was very confident that the call was going to tribal and I did. I was like they really gonNA catch up. I mean this is really far behind but I still feel like there's the pessimist inside of me was like wouldn't let my hope get too high and so I just knew that they were still going to be able to catch right totally. Yeah of course. We also see that. Sandra is sitting out once again and poverty. Names the bench the Sandra Bench. This is like the second time in a row. They really made a point of pointing out the android sitting out. I don't know how much relevance that's going to have. Maybe it was just to set up the fact that it. Sandra's bench but but I do wonder if in swaps tribe her sitting out is going to impact her her ability to stay safe in a in a small. How was good for it? It's still good. It was good for three tribals. So so that's actually. It should be good for more tribal. Um Assuming they meant travels that she attends which I do assume yeah so. That's actually a good point and we might see some crazy stuff. Go down ice targeted and has an idol that she has to use so so she sitting and I love. I love the deter and Tony. Sitting on the bench. Giving commentary like Sandra in Boston Rob at tribal. Last season was great. But I would really love to see Sandra and Tony give commentary. They were very fun. Sitting on the bench I W- yeah All right so so. It's a big come from behind victory rob and Michelle managed to put the puzzle together. Very quickly I feel like we've had four episodes so far. We were like Raw Boston. Robin Episode One. What a challenge. Beast Boston Robin episode. To what what? What fail episode three? Oh maybe nope didn't you can't close but no and now this one is like Whoa. What a comeback. So he's having a wild ride here. I was listening to Robin Stevens. Guess earlier today and they were saying like do you think of any potential that neck or the other through the edging Tyson so I have seen some speculation about that but there was nothing in the episode indicated it and then also I. There's actually a secret seen that I that I pointed out that a that I was going to bring up later but we can bring up now. That when it's getting seen and there are confessionals from people. Like nick saying we feel confident. I might have been Wendell as well like we feel confident about our ability to win this challenge. We feel good. I want to win. We think we're going to do it so I felt I felt like the probably they did. Not they're this but you never really know until they and said this is such a crazy loss like it was like. He had done the puzzle before. I don't think it was just so crazy that he messed it up so badly. All right so we we get Adam. Adam tells us at the end of the challenge that he was told in eighth grade when he sets his mind to something he he gets that something. And I've heard this story a few times now just like ir all. We were like really sucked challenging. The reason was because of the puzzle. Builders we thought that was a kind of an annoying. He's emotional. He's he's had a rough couple days so So we we come back to to call. Tyson says okay. We do the normal thing. We pat the puzzle makers on the back we tell them it wasn't their fault but it is their fault like that. I thought that was such a funny like funny invasion you outlook. I always think you're when they do that. Always just like it was the puzzle maker like when when they really lose the puzzle. They could mechanize. Everyone's so nice and I thought that was funny. Like vocalisations fat. So he says this is great for me because I want to pitch nick as the target and so he goes to Sarah he goes to Tony. He goes to you'll and you'll see like yeah I'm down. He says Yeah Nick. He doesn't contribute a camp he literally just consumes. I liked that song. But you'll just smart. I like everything he says but like this was I just love Tyson. I feel bad for him during this. It was like you knew someone was played before as someone who like after a while it becomes hard once you know that someone is like a dead man or woman walk becomes harder to like placate them. They come to you. And they make their pitch. And you're just kind of laying there in your head you're like I don't care we're saying I am voting new outlook. Nothing you can say it will change your mind just like Oh yeah okay sure. Yeah yeah that's what. I saw a lot of people. Were not even doing that. Good of a job. I thought it'd being like oh I'm definitely with you. They were just like okay like what he was he was neck. It'd be really yes sure you could tell like. I don't know as someone who's been there before I was like people are caught on this end. I thought just watching those interactions. They body was Joe. That's that's something. I always give as advice for future. Players of of the show is like if you propose a plan and People are just like yeah like offer no resistance no contribution that is a that is a red flag seriously like one hundred percent. Yes so this this was. I felt personally that this was the the weakest misdirect of the season. I look at my friends. Do you think you'll be neck and I was like now. I was like I love Tyson. I'm sad I would much rather it'd be neck but I was going to get me. Yeah Nick Nick has had one confessional the last of the show. They're not they don't they. Don't usually send that person home. I just recently watched second chance and I don't think I don't know why my brain works like this. But I think Kelly wigglesworth went home and genetic a single confessional the episode where she went out like. Tell me if I'm wrong but I'm nearly positive I was like wow. I don't think she said anything think that I do. I do think that they do that sometimes. But they usually have at least have had confessionals previous episodes right like leaving your right and Nikolic one. Maybe he had one in the first five minutes of the show. Second one was was last night. Yeah it was a pretty pretty crazy there for nick but yeah so again. Very impressive from your point of view here. That Tyson is actually going to you'll to pitch this idea. And even though he's recognized that these four are potentially running the show that he still feels comfortable enough with you'll to pitch this idea to you'll and and you'll be able to just consumes dyson tells us he needs to start dictating the direction of his game. This is very much. The opposite of what he said in the premier when he said that I need to give up control and just anybody but me. So he's trying to do the opposite here and it's not gonna work so everyone's pretending to be on board as you said. This is your typical sort of. Everyone knows what's happening but it does seem like he gets through to Tony and Sarah to some degree. Wendell tells us that Tyson is a dead man. Walking Wendell's explanation here he says Tyson has to well-connected if he links back up with ROB OR PARV. They could do a lot of damage together. And that's kind of what I was myself in Sandra's head if Sandra Hatred Against Rob Kendrick totally as a rob number. Totally bet makes sense. So you'll let's not. Tyson's trying to target him knicks why. I liked tasting. He's one of my favorite players. But now it's like him and I'm really nervous. Yeah Mean Nick. Nick is like where I think. Nick an atom both come into the season as the huge fans of the show like one period of pretty recently. But we're Adam is trying to be like and now I want to be the top dog all these winners I feel like nick is a little bit more on the side of like. I'm still just like a fan here. And look people playing around me and it'll be interesting to see which one ends up being more successful so Tyson is GonNa Pitch to Tony and like I said I think he gets through Tony here. This is where the two biggest targets and if Tony tells us if it were up to me I'd get rid of Nick. Nick is a number but Tyson is a she. But Nick is not a shield. Tyson is a shield and a number of maybe and so he doesn't want to lose Tyson. He talks to Sara. Sara pitches to Kim. Kim Seems on board and Sarah tells us that. This all hinges on Sandra which is so crazy. The like Sandra's lake slipping by like this into it's impressive. I sanders my favorite player about time and I just loved it like. She's just not even a question of like elimination now. So Tony Pitches to Sandra. He says I think I think we should maybe consider this sanders. You think Tyson is right then. The did what he's saying Antonio. Yeah that is a good point but I don't trust Tyson. He's too dangerous and so she tells us. I don't play off of emotion. I like revenge but I like two million dollars even more and she is the most qualified to know what two million dollars is like right. She's the only yeah. Although I guess I Guess Boston Rob and amber together plus million dollars. They got paid for their wedding television rights. Or whatever if I'm remembering correctly so they've got plenty of millions but so yeah so I. I am very interested in this decision here. Theoretically this decision came down to Sandra but it might not of I was actually a little bit. Like was Kim really on board right. You know she has told Sophie about her idol. She's clearly been trying to make inroads. We've heard from you'll outside of the game a little bit that him and Sophie were trying to pull Kim in as basically insurance against Sandra Tony and Sarah and so I do wonder if Kim was actually a part of this and willing to be on board or maybe she actually Kinda on ratted them out and then was even Tony. I tweeted out that. Hey Tony trying to save Tyson in my dreaming right now and Nick actually replied to that tweet editing. Who knows who knows I. It's hard to say we're GONNA have probably gotten to do whatever they can. And if Tyson truly was and then walking what you looked like he was snapped like have something to make. It seem like they're exactly while they're about and like I said I felt like this was the weakest misdirect. They've had so far so then might have really been pulling to make something that was potentially completely fabricated. But but either way. I think we're seeing that Tyson puts up a good fight at the very least and basically came up with the best argument he could've given that it was real but the choice so theoretically. Let's assume that the choice did come down to Sandra. And she did have this option rate. I think it ultimately in her head comes down to I can either keep the tribes strong and the unity strong. Not Go against the you'll people or I can side with Tyson and keep all the big targets together and take out one of those four and so I think that her reasoning ultimately is that there's a swap coming up and keeping the tribe unified is going to be best for anybody's chances in a swap situation. They have the numbers right swap. Were totally screwed. Her in Game Changers. It's like she was running things and then she was just like in the minority and Bam right. And that's and that's that's so so that seems to be what the ultimate call that is made is about so the question becomes without knowing the results of the swap or what ends up happening. Does this tribe stick together? Do we think this is the right call? I think that there is some argument to be made that like outlets Tyson. You can't really trust him. He was just coming after Sandra at the same time like Tyson was on the bottom. He was throwing out any names that could work. It's not it wasn't anything personal. It's not like he needs. Sandra gone in particular that she was just somebody that he thought might go instead of him so. I don't think there's anything really like personally offensive about but Sandra does tend to take those things personally so that definitely wasn't impact in Sanders decision but not one that I would've had as much impact for my decision if I was in that position but at the same time. It is an indicator of Tyson's overall gameplay which is that he is willing to throw anybody under the bus consents. Better scary story I would be. I would not like that right so you know I. I do think it's it's a tough call. If Tyson does reunite with rob for Sandra that that really could be a bad thing. Because rob will probably find out that Sandra was probably beyond the amber thing and then with Tyson. I send us the if all Seattle has to go on. Who's saying my name. Tyson's the only one that has been so get rid of it but at the same time the YOU'LL SOFI NICK. Wendel thing and we so dangerous. We picked. Sandra knows how dangerous that is and I think that's the problem. I think that Sandra is making this decision without full knowledge of the danger of the other side right and so when she's looking to potentially dangerous options and one is like I know who Tyson is and the other is well. They might be controlling the game. They might not be controlling the game then. I think that isn't becomes a little bit easier. But when we do know that they are controlling the game and we also know that as we've seen the preview that Wendell has some connection to Michelle like there are. These are not connection less people entirely that and like. I have a feeling that this decision might end up working against against these people. Here may disagree with you. But it's a tough call and you know I can definitely see why why they made it with all the uncertainty feeling so good to that they have the numbers the last time there was here versus villains the tribe that like got the like the tribe that got the numbers after the merge steamroll to the right and so they must be feeling. We might have this like all need to do is in our tribe and we might actually have this because of the challenges but potentially not so we had to tribal and they talk about being a cohesive tribe. They're concerned about this swap stuff. I love this again. Another great comment from you'll who's like you know coming into this. I kind of thought Tony was going to be Nestle. He's actually great and people like him. I mean you're doing so much right. And I think that is like that is like a perfect thing to say lake and lake in endeared him to people in a Tony but you know I I love I love you. I loved like you'll was one of my favorite winners of all time when he won and then like had been so long in like I feel like I'd kind of adamant defender of you'll like no it doesn't matter that he had the nuke God idol. He would've done well anyway but but over time. I got used to kind of just being like well. I think you'll see great but I can understand why people might think because of the God idol. But now we're seeing you'll like dominate and. I'm like yes agree. You Always WanNa make favorites going in and people were like you all that he's been like verifying wasn't drive me from like twelve years ago however long. It was feel so vindicated right now. So Nick is actually GonNa vote for Kim in tribal just in case. Tyson has an idol. I don't know if he if you ran this by everybody else or if this was kind of like a last minute rogue kind of just in case but I do like the move ultimately back because it's completely right. If Tyson has an idol. He screwed but if he votes Kim he's okay so not too much to lose their Tyson. Ultimately is going to be voted out here very very sad I tell you. Here's the thing which I was surprised by. I really liked Tyson like friends over in an impasse episodes like my friends. I don't know if it's just trying out with don do not really like or care about like. I wonder if it's just like I met him. I like him in person and I think he's very personable below. The average viewer lease according to sample is that I have in my apartment did not give a shit about Jason. I think I think the viewers tend to be have like polarizing response. They either love or they're like they don't get it and I think that as you know and I know if you meet him he's just he's so great that if you were on the fence immediately be like okay. I get him now before I met him. I was kind of on the fence and then I met him and I was very charming. I really like him. Yeah he's he's he's two nieces like one of the most charming alums. I've ever had like a two hour long conversation with niece one night and just thought she was a complete job I have. I have not met Denise but I can imagine that she would be so easy to talk to. She's up therapist she. Of course she blake is as easy to talk to your bank. Alright so Tyson has voted out. He asked to bequeath bequeath a fire token he'd rather swallow it but he came so he ends up. Que- thing to nick he says all right. Here's a fire token from your hero neck and I actually. I don't know if this was meant to be strategic or I don't care but actually really like the move. Yeah I kind of think it was an I don't care but also because I mean if you think about Tyson has a chance to come back into the game and the people that you know if he if he does come back the person that is just never going to trust. Tyson is the person that Tyson had been targeting. He's going to invent. If Tyson comes back. Nick is going to feel like he's he's GonNa want me out again. He before. I didn't know why heels. He's GonNa want me out again but by by Queen the token to to nick. It's kind of like hey look. It wasn't anything personal. I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not holding a grudge years a token now that I'm out of the game. I don't care back in clean slate. Totally that makes sense. Yeah so again. This honestly probably more likely that it was an. I don't care thing but in terms of analyzing it theoretically I like I like the move so that is that is the episode. We didn't get a couple of secret. Scenes Ethan feeling very defeated on extinction that he he was very upset about being voted out. Which made me sad like? I said to call felt very confident about the challenge. We have seen from Kim That she is missing her kids. Last time she was very strategic. She was single but this time she says she's giving yourself permission to be emotional to the other players and there's like a scene of her and now and now I'm forgetting with Sarah if I'm not mistaken correct me if I'm wrong here chat. But she is literally like sobbing about a missing her kids to somebody on the beach and I was like I. I've never seen this side of Kim Right. I love him. I actually want to look that up. I've not seen that. It was very interesting and because it's Kim like she's tying it into like who she is as a strategist as well and what this means for game. I'm going to look that up as soon as we end this. Yeah I'm super super all the whole Kim situation. This whole season has been so interesting because she's in such a different position So really interested to see where that goes. We also heard from when they got three male Ben in confessional a little bit of a different line than he had in the episode. He says that the strategy that they're working on right now is that they are planning to keep rob in poverty. I wonder if this was after rob had already made up the lie about Adam and so now they can have a new strategy and Ben has been convinced that the strategy is rob. Poverty are very big targets and so we want to head into the swap with those two players so that they get targeted ahead of us and benzenes onboard and this to me is further. Confirmation that The edit is not selling us some kind of lie that it really really probably would have been atom tribal robin so so. That's about what we have for the episode. We obviously we saw the preview. That next episode. We are going to have a swap. And that means I imagine that's fifteen people left from not mistaken three tribes of five. Yeah I don't think they're gonNA bring the mind back from the edge so socio on no I say it's even three jobs at five or like they bring someone back in its eight but I don't think they'll do that. They've done the thing where it's like one person. Just go sit out for a while. And then when whichever tribe loses you'll replace that person But it seems more likely that it'll be three tribes of five which is pretty nuts like that. That's really just like taking the box and shake in the whole thing. Any any any results could come this. It does seem like Michelle is going to be put on and drive with Wendell. When is who? She's talking about in the preview as her ex and I imagine I mean they seem to be on pretty good terms and even if you are an ex like having any kind of outside connection even even if they weren't on good terms but we should still work together out. Yeah right so I have to imagine that that Michelle swaps pretty well as does Wendell if the two of them are able to connect than they should be pretty safe. I don't I don't know like drink anything or anything you all and to other people and I know those today that it's like you know what I'm saying like. Yeah that's true so yeah I mean really really I think the bottom line here. Is that literally anything can happen. This could swap in a bunch of different ways. Rob Poverty and Kim could swap onto a tribe. The five and all of a sudden rob poverty are back in the majority because the real Kim back then and so literally. Anything happened so very very intrigued. To see down I feel like we got enough of you. Know both tribes said the cell as sort of storyline throughout the season. So far has been awesome to call. We did lose a couple of people that I felt like I was a little more straightforward than if they kept going in that way that we would have just seen those four just kind of wreck shop and go down to the end so I shake is going to be very fun. Very good all right. Are you ready now for the legacy? Watch yeah all right So this is. This is where we are here. We have a visual. If you're watching lung on Youtube if you're if you're not that's fine we're GONNA we're GonNa read it out as we go So what we do here is every week we we put the winners into four different tiers and we see how the each episode is impacting. How people see the winners what tier they placed them in a very curious to see what happens this week with with the legacy. Watch I do want to make a quick note from last week that there were some minor adjustments made to the scores as I said I keep the survey up for the rest of the week after the PODCAST AIRS. But but no no major changes nothing. Nobody's swapped places or anything like that. So all right. Are you able to see this? Andy Yeah Okay. How do you feel about where we stand? As of last week we've got Sandra Poverty and rob up there on the legend Tier. I would put him in there but that's just name. Kim started their premier. She felt. Oh Okay Okay yes okay. I totally get what you're saying. Yes I find that. She's where she is then. Then we have. You'll Tony Jeremy Kim Tyson Sofi Sarah and Natalie on the top tier okay. Well I think Tyson's obviously going to all we have Wendell Michelle Denise Ethan Michelle who actually rose a bit here after after last week's episode Adam and Nick in the Middle Tier Adam fell after last week's episode. Denise should be higher I think. Really good spot. Yeah you know. I initially thought Denise was top-tier Player winner but when I had the audience vote. They placed her more Middle Tier and she's been hovering around there the whole time. I don't got enough content. Yeah I don't know I think that's invisible as good and I don't know I did. It should be a top tier. Yeah I mean why not? Actually I complete window actually fallen from the top tier y when those should be up there too. What I'm finding interesting here is that you're seeing real time how the audience responds not based on who deserves. What but based on what? They're seeing what they're being shown. And so you know Wendell not getting a lot of content has slowly eroded his you know following and I think another thing too is that we initially saw Kim fall from legend here down into the top tier but I think there is also like a rebalancing right like the initial reaction is big in the kind of starts to normalize and come back a little bit so all right so. Let's get to what happened this week. We we can start here at the top or let's start at the bottom. We'll start atop so in the legend. Here we have Boston. Rob leapfrogging over poverty and Sandra back into first place. After this week's episode a strong showing the lie about Adam was very impressive. Yeah and poverty is actually also going to leapfrog over Sandra a bit there so yes. I think some people did not agree with Sandra's cinders call. I think Poverty is I want to see more from brevity gotten a lot of poverty kinds of poverty isn't GonNa say people just really love party but if you actually are a little bit objective like we've gotten a muted poverty this this season so far and I want to see more of our. I completely agree and she has been falling actually because I think because she's been she's been targeted and she is not getting a lot of content. She started out at the top of the of delay tier and has slowly been been falling every week. Rob has been you know a little bit up and down. Sandra started in third place rose up and I was falling back down. So there's a little bit of movement here but they are still very strong up there in the type three. You'll is somebody that briefly briefly had a short a short period of time in the legend here then fell back to the top tier NBA. He's he's playing great and this week. We did see that. You'll is back in the legendary. Yes strong episode from you'll and he has managed to squeeze in now he's really still hovering around the very edge so he could easily fall back down next week if he doesn't get a big episode but but he is really you'll is definitely somebody who by the end of the season might have might be able to solidify spot here all right so here at the top tier. We've got Tony still there okay. Still strong he actually. Tony actually moved up a little bit. This episode people liked what they saw limited to. And I'm not a huge fan and I. I was episode. Tony actually starting to get close to that legend tear line. He's still he's still a decent ways. Away will not a decent. He's still just like he's further than you'll has been but but close enough that he's in striking distance for short then. We have Jeremy. Still there behind Tony in the top tier not much movement from Jeremy. Not Super Close to legend to your pretty firmly at the top of the top tier. After Jeremy is still Kim Kim not much movement this week. We didn't really see much from her. So we initially saw Kim fall quite a bit and then slowly start to work her way up and she's not working up really anymore. I think she's going to hit the limit now so I think from this point if she wants to continue to move up. We're GONNA have to see something more from her. Based on based on what? I'm seeing so then. After Kim we have Sarah Okay is going to jump over Sophie and Tyson And Move Up Behind Kim Sarah with a big move forward. I think she was the one of the biggest moves for this episode. Like I said this is one of the only ones where I've ever actually really liked her. And so not into that. I like I like we talked about. I think not only. Did she have a good showing in this episode to a decent degree? At least I think that also this episode helped clarify part of her win previously which helps with her legacy all right so after. Sarah is Sophie who also is going to jump past Tyson. Sofi has climbed she started in the Middle Tier has climbed up to the top tier. And it's been pretty steady in the top ten ever since me like higher on the top Tier. I think so if he's in the best position of any but I completely agree. I've been saying all season long. I think toilets Sophie's in the best spot however I do think that we're hearing less and less from Safi in each episode and I think that's not helping everything we do hear from. Her is glad she s completely also a like. I. She looked great. Scott I really love the look. She's got going on. I don't know what has changed but heard in tribal. I was just like she looks. Awesome arguing So really really loving what we're seeing from Sophie. I hope we hope we hear more because he like a gift from her is just awesome all right so after Sophie is Tyson. He is not has not fallen enough to go below the top down into military. He's staying on here in the top. Tier is horrible. Episode I well. Here's here's my theory. I mean first of all this is the audience. We're going to be a little bit biased toward Tyson He did fall quite quite a bit. But I think this was still a decent episode for this wasn't this wasn't this wasn't a Tyson screwed up and got himself voted out episode. This was like Tyson was screwed. Put up a really good fight but still allowed to lights but he just had absolutely no awareness of I duNno. I thought he didn't have any idea what was going on which I didn't but still I mean I like him so I got it. Yeah and then after. Tyson is Natalie who is holding on there in the top tier. She started in the top tier fell down to middle tier when she was voted out. I mean great content on extinction and his back up into the top tier so after Natalie is going to be. Ethan jumps over Denise and Wendell in the Middle Tier top of the Middle Tier here for Ethan that he is some great content on extinction. He had fallen after being voted out. But he's a little. He's both normalizing and getting good content on extinction so he's back up. A little bit and Wendell is going to be after Ethan continuing to fall slowly but surely going. Yeah and I think like I think there's some logic to it to right where it's like if lendl was playing like a really great game and was going to do well in the season. We'd probably be seeing more from him there for people starting to anticipate already that like their expectations of Wendell. Ghost island are not matching. What we're seeing so far but I think it's still very very fragile fall. I think that he can easily jump back up and then after after. Wendell is actually Michelle. That doesn't shaggy enriched good couple episodes. Michelle jumps over denise to be behind Wendell in the Middle Tier. Michelle is on the rise. Still smaller jumping last week. But she's still on the rise here as we continue to see her play. The game after Michelle is denise and then Yeah Denise I WANNA see Moreover I love to be so much. Denise actually fell a decent amount this week. I'm not sure where I think it's just because we didn't hear from her and so she's becoming less and less relevant and then after denise is Adam okay hanging around there toward the bottom of the Middle Tier and after Adam is actually the end of the Middle Tier. Nick has fallen from Middle Tier bottom tier. I guess not not a great episode. We're finally hearing from Nick First Time. We're hearing from Nick. He's a target. So it's I think that's where this is coming from. It wasn't he was. He wasn't in the greatest place last week either. He was already toward the very bottom of the Middle Tier. This episode was just enough to knock him down into the bottom tier but again. I think we're seeing so little from it. Nick that this could easily go anywhere based on any kind of episode that we get in the future. I hope he's Gone. So Now. After NICK IS STILL. Ben Hang out there I can answer. I'm just really terrified. We're going to get like a Ben Neck and like one of the legends. Final three or something on a dampen possible two of the four bottom tier people. According to this audience is still in the game still doing shopping. Ben Still still a little bit on the rise here. He started at the very bottom. Borrow sad like why he's there he's doing so well and then after band we still have amber and Danny still in the same spots here. They both went up a little bit. Actually I think they both got good enough content from from extinction but but still hanging around the bottle right. Yeah I'm okay with that. I mean Dini should be about the only played so bad. It's unfortunate. I was looking forward to Danny or Shenley. Anyone she was in this like weird middle ground. Relax she wasn't one of the legends. She wasn't like old school. She wasn't super new school. I think she could have failed to the merge. If she she like callback what are you GonNa do? I also asked you guys on the survey I'd seen some people saying why only four tiers make it five tiers more options so I was. I was interested to know if you guys wanted to add an additional here in the survey though most of you said no keep forty years. What is not here? It'd be like it would probably be like legend top middle high middle low middle bottom or so we would come up with something for people like the forty years. We're going to keep the four tiers so I apologize to. Those wanted more but this is really fun to me you know. I love ranking things. So yeah this honestly like. I'm so excited to check the results of the survey every week so fascinating to me the response because sometimes I'm surprised sometimes I'm like Oh that makes complete sense and I've always been curious about like because the editing is really the thing more than anything else I think. That's impacting these ratings. As we see like people that don't get as much airtime their legacies being impact by that. I think is an indicator that your legacy is probably more tied to your edit than you might expect. I guess if I go back on big brother and his cousin everyone out all day. Yeah of all right. So that's what we have for you this week. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Talking about survivor candidate just started last night. Yeah we're GONNA have our first eviction in about twenty minutes. If you're watching this live so I will be back in like an hour and twenty minutes or an hour and a half to talk about our first addiction episode of Big Brother so that should be fun. Andy anything else that you wanted to bring up about survivor. No it's been like it's been like a fever dream watching the season. It's so it's so fun so thrilling I love it. Awesome so happy to to talk to you. Andy I you now you. You are a lover of movies. Are there any movies? That people should be watching was antastic. I absolutely loved it. It was so so good couple moments in it that I just thought were so shocking and so fun. It's just a very very well. Made Good horror movie which. I don't think we often. That's the one that I would really recommend right now awesome. Yeah I actually. I don't remember the director's name but it's the did the did upgrade which was another like for me. At least I was like this. You know the concept here is like Oh look seems kind of generic watch it and it was like really surprisingly really good ring. Yeah it was so good and so actually haven't seen invisible man yet into busy but I'm looking forward to it because it's very much the same thing I think marketing for. It has been a little like exactly so. I think it's it's another movie. That's probably surprise you in terms of like how quality it is based on your expectations. All right. So that's what we thank you again. Andy for working on online. You can find me at any hair on twitter and instagram and facebook. Because I'm only runs with my real life friends. Yes you can find me on twitter at Armstrong Taryn. Make sure you you follow me so that you can see the survey that comes out after the episode ends. You can get your your opinion in if you disagree with any of these moves or if you disagree with the Tier Survey result. Then you gotta get in there and vote. That's how it works. 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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 11 with Aaron Jackson

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 11 with Aaron Jackson

"Some game right off sounds law as the R H. A day lay off. I can sell you the our ASE. I everybody in welcome to the RHA. Bnb for episode eleven of survivor winners at war. We are here to talk about Tony. Tony Tony and a few other people to it was a jam packed. Tony filled episode. That led to one of the biggest outcomes through C. And not only the season but I would say of recent memory on survivor. Let me bring in this superstar pain to break it all down. I of course Liana. Boris WHO TONY IS NOT SPLITTING UP. Anytime Soon Liana. How're you doing? I'm good. I'm hoping to Nabi extorted on this podcast but you never know you gotta always read to the bottom of the notes extorted feels weird as like a past tense verb in one be extorted. I was I was extortion. Is now pushing. Feels better like portioned. But I feel like that's not the way that verbs work so we're just inventing an entirely new language which makes sense considering that we are bringing on a very special guest. This week is not only an actor. A comedian and author as well. He knows his way around words specifically most recently with his recent release of his book. The astonishing life of August march a novel so happy to welcome Aaron Jackson to the. Bnb How you doing. Hello thank you for having me here. I'm doing well so before we get into anything. That's a jump the gun too much but I'm sure there are a lot of people that that would love to know who you are as a person and also as a survivor fan as well at the sort of see. What's your story as you walk through the hallowed halls of this? Bnb that has been quite empty for some time recent circumstances. Yeah Well Mike's beautiful introduction was correct. I am a comedian and an actor and also an author. And so yeah. What else is there to me? Those are sort of my. My moniker is yeah I do. I do stand up. I came up in that Improv scene in New York City where I still live and I was on a a comedy. Central show called the opposition with Jordan boroughs a correspondent on that show and then I also wrote a book and my survivor. Life is that I've watched every season of this forty season. Long show since it aired. I've always really dug it so here. We are now that you say that out loud. I feel so much more proud of myself. I'm like yeah have already these like we build the opposite. I'll say my friend. Amy Howard is how I got injured so I just watch it sort of like ashamed cocoon alone and all that. I talked to about where my ninety one year old grandmother But now amy introduced me to other people of like I guess my generation that enjoyed the show. And that's been nice. I'm not completely alone. We exist. We DO EXIST INTRIGUED. Like what were some of the ninety year old grandmas prevailing opinions about survivor conversing with her every single season. And she's been watching since I've probably since Australia or Africa because I got on board. And but she every season it starts and she goes. I don't know I hate this season I hate. I hate all of them. I hate every single. One of 'em and then we get to the merge and she kind of remembers people are now and then she's always like what they're just all idiots every single and then she wins and I can't believe she's still watches her opinion on. That's amazing she's consistent. You know does she do you? I guess she or do you have any sort of big favorites either in seasons or people you've had over the years so I don't know about your Krim seemed seemed like who's the least big idiot from perspective so she's from originally will not originally She lived in San Antonio for a long time. So she is Kim Spradlin Fan Stony Upland with San Antonio and I'd say for me. Generally speaking for me survivor seasons are sort of a wash in less. A woman ends up winning the show. I've always pro the women contest on sand like this season for example going in my my a favorites and no particular order. But I wanted Sandra poverty. Natalie Denise and Kim to do well and I'll tell you that that double booed of Poverty Sandra First Week Quarantine. That actually did hurt me in a deep way. No like setting the tone for quarantine and this is going to be a disaster like this is the last major thing you'll save before you cut yourself off from the outside world unforeseen about a time. Yeah I like the women and I also do. I love it when a gay man can sneak in there and win it too. Yeah so this has been rough for each year I am. I do love Kim Denise Alliance but they can I mean. We'll get to that but I never seem to get on the right side of that vote. Yeah I don't know we really have been seeing Leon like Kim. Saddling is fully inform and winters at war. Even when like after wasting an idol? He's okay I'm finally in on a plan. I'm going to screw over Jeremy. And Lo and behold due to Tony's MAC nations. She's left out once again. All my gosh though. I was dying with Kim being on the money every single to on the fire token every single time. Jeremy Tony's playing us. He's playing you and her calling Tony Outright is face. All of that was so bad. So bad ass. He was so bad. I wrote like Kim knows all in all caps I was that was one of those moments like this is like what straight white men feel when they're heroes are out there like kicking ass like my heroes out there kicking as as loving in empowered as I can do anything am guilty of anything. I can do anything because his also my hero too. She's a lot of like hardcore rooting for I. It's not gonNA go well. I don't think and these next couple episodes for her for her. But this episode or I would love this. Reunions could be weird for many reasons but I know how Jessie like. Little Kids love. You can just imagine either Kim coming out. Jeff says these women in their twenties there just are they love you so much. They're all over. You go to me and the audience. If that was a thing they go to me on zoom exactly like when they used to do like The signs from the contestants hometowns and that person wanted so. You're you're one person celebration at your apartment. Yeah it's like me trying to get my cats involved. Hold the sign. Let's let's talk about this episode because I spoke about at the beginning but what an interesting episode of survivor it's storytelling in particular has been very interesting throughout the entire season but really for the first time in what. I feel like it's been a fairly evenly edited season. We got all Tony all the time. I mean he was so crucially involved in everything to the point where he was the one that made the move. He was the one that found the idol. He was the one that you know had to overcome extortion. And you know I've seen people go back and forth as to whether or not they liked this episode overall Aaron. What did you think about this hour of Tony? So I as I said I do tend to favor the women but Tony is one of the men that I have enjoyed on the show. I think he is very fun to watch Usually I would be so pissed at survivor an episode. Like this. I'd be like Gimme. GimMe a break. But he really. He found an idol he wanted. Mutebi was extorted and he kind up with a plan. So it's like it's sort of his episode. I Dunno Mike. What what were they supposed? How could they have edited around him to make it more balanced but I thought it was spotted? It was he in game changers. He did such a bad job of changing his strategy and he really did do a better job. This time of laying low and it all came flying out. He's like back onto the original island like doing everything and say betraying his own alliance. He's GonNa next week. You know. Try to do damage control. It's like Oh my God he just. He immediately turned back if he loves it. But that's the thing that was he says last week and that secrecy like I pleaded really slow because my wife and remind me that I should do that and then like as soon as wife left. He's like okay because away the mice will play. Let me do everything that I did before and I guess Leon it's just a matter of like I mean it gets a dish showed that patients pays off to a certain extent but I guess at a certain point especially when you're someone like Tony you have to rev up or maybe there was just so much pent up Tony nece inside if cork was gonNA pop off at any point. Yeah that must have been the case because there were even things. I didn't even remember that. Tony did and this episode until I ever watched it Tony. Finding me idol completely forgot about that and what. I was re watching it. I was like what is he digging for. He doesn't dig for the extortion like disadvantage and those. Oh Tony I found an idol. I couldn't even believe that and then I think we're just GONNA get the continuation of that story next week when we have. Tony in his treehouse. Despite shock thing away Tony Moment. That was so funny was when he was reading the extortion clue he and he enters the scene like sliding into home like rounding. I I was like this is insane. I love it because I run away so nobody would know that I was pretty sure people saw sprint. Like Hussein bolt out of Camp Toda. You can't really hide when you're just dashing mile a minute and the noise that that must have made too late not only. Is he running breathing? Heavy and then sliding through all the dirt and sticks and leaves and stuff. It's very obvious. But that editing of that scene was so good because like I also at the Mo- like didn't know exactly if it was an advantage or disadvantage because I kind of miss some of the language the first time I was like okay. Does he get to use it as an extortion. Or is he being extorted by the people on the edge so then by the end it was like this is being played against you. That was so amazing. Oh my God yeah that has to be. I think the shadiest writing an advantage that I've ever seen aside from when Sarah. Apparently said offscreen that said. Don't use the votes deal in the way. Stephen Fishbach did but to like build you up so much of light. This is great. This is what disadvantage will do. Also it's being played on you I guess I guess. I sort of had that last season to write with like Jamal reading through his note of like. Hey you learned a valuable lesson like sometimes you know a good. Somethings are too good to be true. By the way you won't be voting like they really like these sneaks surprises with the survivor writers so shady and sell mean but I love it at the same time so and I think it was good because it was it was ups and downs for Tony. There were there were levels to the performance. It wasn't just one note which also made it really enjoyable. Yeah that's the thing is that I do agree with that. I think this is not something I would like to see every single episode. Because then you get like survivor. Samoa or to go international the most recent season of Australian survivor and that's just not great storytelling but considering how integral Tony was to everything in this episode I could see the editors wanting to have a bit of fun and go a bit unconventional with giving him I think eighteen confessionals or something but I can understand that if people earn fans that they wouldn't necessarily see that but at the same time I feel like we saw enough of everyone else that we got like a general says that's what was happening. It helped the vote was pretty straightforward before. Tony mucked up the works of like okay. We're just GONNA split between Jeremy and Michelle and I mean. I think we have totally for many reasons on the season and one of them is. I think he was able to prevent a pretty. You know. Ho- homage Jeremy Down the line. Vote by taking out arguably I would think someone who was playing one of the best game so far this season I felt bad for so I I have. I liked the other alliance more. Obviously since Kim Denise Fan and so I have been rooting against so fi but Yeah it was sad and I think we've seen this sort of editing pattern throughout the season where it's almost like the episode that you go out. You actually don't get a lot of content which we didn't really get to see a lot from Sophie this episode and that was kind of sad except for at the end which. I don't know how to do this. Baller moment. I mean I know. They're all winners but like still. She's never voted out so one on their eighth time plane so she actually yeah exactly between that and her like walking out saying she needs to take the idol out of her crotch like she just like through. Tsa Away from Jeff and that's the thing as well maybe it's because of like my own brain. I forgot that Sophie had an idol. I know she mentioned it beforehand. But yeah I mean it's it's always tough to track the advantages and I think that Sophie has had that Idelson episode five or so and Lord knows a lot has happened since then right and I thought her whole Michelle's been getting more of it but like I was a lesser winner thing which I don't remember. I haven't rewatch her season because I was. That was the era where it was like. Everybody was getting brought back at every moment and I was so over coach that I really didn't like that season. But I remember loving that. She won and thought she was so deserving so it was. I didn't realize that the fan base sort of hey again. I'm talking to my grandmother. Who thinks they're all idiots? I didn't realize that she was not a beloved winner. Because I was like yes. Soviet rule that was surprising it up. It's interesting and I talked about this actually in my alumni chat this week with Albert who was like one of her partners in crime in South Pacific and he vocalized a similar thing. I think for me comes down to two things. One is that you know she wanted into the finale with as you put it out errand more reputable players in coach and ozzy the you can expect more. People would be rooting for them inherently. Because they've seen more of them and I will say that I think whether because of the people around her or just a story line. The season really was not about her. She got a good amount of airtime. But it really was about Ozzy Coach. Cochran and brand enhance and everyone else sort of had their moment. So when you have some of those people get overwhelmed by character like Sophie in the end it does let Peoples Express this opinion of like why her she didn't deserve it because we weren't told why she won so I can understand why she feels the way I mean. I've certainly seen a good amount of survivor winner. Rankings where they've had near the bottom but I think it's always a good reminder as well of like how winning a million dollars didn't does not necessarily erase all feelings of ill will you have towards your time or towards the fan base. There's a really great secret seen this week of Kim and Sara Sara gets surprisingly emotional worship essentially like it just breaks down to Kim about how she didn't want to nearly come back for this season because she was afraid of things getting too personal because in game changes things got way too personal and they lamb Bassett her for it and she felt terrible because of it and Kim is such a perfect person and comforting force to her in this time. But you know when you when you win a million dollars. I think everyone thinks like. Oh Yeah you win survivor. And like all your sins are forgiven or like any sort of you know mental health issues. You have go out the window. But it only magnifies it sometimes especially I can imagine when you're being compared against other people game changers. Sorry go ahead. I was just saying stop lifts thing as a perfect person. No sorry go ahead Erin. Who was a rough season two as a fan to watch? It just seemed like they were there like on the clock like doing work. Yeah this season does seem more saen like they're having a good time. It seems like more than the fashion show. You know. We're seeing more of it but it seems a little less like game. Changers was depressing to me to watch the second depressing all around south. Maybe that's why Sir is really been swinging into like the. I'm going from COP. Criminal fashion designers like she purposely wants to make fun. She wants to be like the camp. Counselor Yeah Yeah. I love the fashion secrets and they. They spent money on those camera tracking shots and I was like damn we gotta Dahlie in here like it was really well do you. Do you think that the person like the music that they played do? We think that's yet another verse of the famed winners at worse. Or do you think they got like the same person to record like random. Fashion esque song to play. Is there rumors that SIA? It should be? That's her donation. This season she's got other players. You're not getting money instead. You got this lovely song that played during Sarah's fashion show. The fashion show was was was so wonderful. Just because you also had that balance or that Takata between Tony and Sarah as well which was so funny I love. I love Tony being like I think my pets. Your skirts. Any Day of the week never made pads. I WANNA see Tony's pants because I bet they're like haphazardly. Has Ladder there barely. It's like bored out of their minds. I was so confused when he didn't want to watch he's like I'm not watching this like. Are you gonNA stare at a tree for two hours instead of watch? The fashion show. That was so cute though Ben was like yeah like clapping. Like do it now. I've always again. I know that I'm talking about the characters them as human beings. I'm sure they're all lovely. I've always hated. Then but then when his kids came on and then he was so lovely during a fashion show is like Oh. Don't make me like them. I am really loving Ben because I'm going to say I love Ben when he's angry but like the Ben rivalries have always been so much ben character and I cannot believe Liana that we have a substitute for Adam already knew. Adam is Jeremy from the very beginning of the episode when Jeremy Approaches Ben and champions like why did you get rid of Tyson? Who is going to be the the big Big Shield Guy Now? But just goes you really. Yeah the Jeremy has his meat shields apparently bend just needs somebody to get into some sort of fight with every episode like he needs his enemy otherwise he doesn't know how to play the game and I love that the episode also that had that staredown between the two with them like Jeremy votes to them just kept staring each other. Unblinking and then. The Sophie votes kept coming in and they kept staring at each other. Yes I'm good. Well good well. You know sad. That item has gone but happy that Ben his new foil. So yeah this. Is Ben Second Island Wife Right now? I guess third if you Count Christie in there Oh yes adam was so fun. This season he was he was for that Weird Second One. Tyson thought he was gonNA quit. Oh yeah that was a beautiful moment looking up at the back. But he's probably looking for an idol. Oh yeah I I yeah. There's something tied up there. Something like that. I can see that he sees a floor to Lee. At the top of the flag polling starts inching his way up. You should just be like. Can I play this whole problem? I brought the flag like the play the flag and I love a clue just sort of like in a piece of trash like a wind. Bobby poverty poverty is like over. Somebody had wine like she could very regarded as well. Someone had a good time last night. I just have to walk again. Left behind the whole extortion admitted wasn't even hit and it was just sitting next to the Rock and not only just picks it up trash here man like climate change and garbage. It's like it's getting all over the place through a major things through it back into the ocean. You sound like we need to get this off our island domino's box that's a good idea. They should hide the clue in like a piece of pizza box. Or like I don't know inside like a used condom or something like some former refuse didn't Carl who had to find a coconut like a random coconut like floating in the ocean limited time limit. Like before you get washed away. Find this random doping. Yeah the add that to the list of Lake Rando advantages. Well let let's start talking about. We spoke about a bit. Let's talk about the shock boot here from this episode. So Liana going in. I know that you and I had a part of the round table that spoke about sophie coming in but she was you know maybe one of the bigger route wildcards. Jeff said she probably changed the most in her time between seasons maybe. She considers herself a lower tier winner. How did you think that Miss Clark was going to do pre season on season forty? I said that Sophia was going to roll her eyes on the island. Approximately one million times. She would create a tight partnership with the Danny in the game and then after the game they would team up to create a scented candle line based on the smells of survivor. I'M GONNA assume there was something in the pre press. They gave me this idea because reading it. Now what the Hell were you on? Both I have no idea what. That's what said candle where you huffing came up with that idea. I don't remember anything about that about scented candles. I don't either. I've no idea so I don't know Blue Harvard. Co Harbor Cove is the candle. I have right year. Maybe it was that one. I don't know I also said that she would come up with the new hotness analogy of the season so Aka like the pilots and passengers type analogy. I would say she did that but I will say she was like the Queen of like the metaphors this season like when she compared edge of extensions of that trip that she took to the prison in high school. I think with all the things on her resume tracy sleeping election and basically I mean knock the hell out of whatever just was trying to do with Lazy Susan this episode so weird then I also said that she would have a modest forty one fire. Toga and fifteen confessionals. Her ally was Danny and then completely missed. The boat on this one enemy was Sarah. So I mean to be fair Sophie was one of the people that had written down. The CERVO. Preseason right she was one of those. I believe the vote actually said like. I don't know what comes. After copping criminal we all found was fashion designer. And we all found out that Sarah Sophie would become one of Sarah's closest allies because that swap tribe so many questions answered now. The question is what scented candles are gonNA come out of the season. I mean they could still start a business together on the edge of extinction like did say something about candles like wh. Where did this come from another go back and rewatch their preseason press just to find out would you fight? Kennel that smells like the edge of extinction. You know maybe does it. Smell I guess it depends on it. Smells like it. It's not like it's not like flag and trash it empty wine empty wine bottles flags and like a bunch of firewood for forty logs of transport. So I thought that Sophie would get targeted early in a close vote. Don't know what that means. I said she would get taken out by somebody playing an advantage. I mean Tony did an advantage. And her blunt confessional. Delivery will make her the low key star of survivor social media. I set her. Closest ally would be Kim. I did say her worst enemy would be Tony. She had a sixteen confessionals and five. Fire Tokens okay interesting. Yeah so I mean the Tony Thing is pretty spot on out I think and I mean most pertinently. This has been making the rounds on social media. I think just came from the fact that Sophie was one of the main players to really predict. And Call Out Tony's game back when she guests during survivor Coug I on and I think she said basically like if I was on a season with Tony that someone I would not want to play with. Because he's too chaotic so I felt like it only makes sense that she sofi was known for being like really slow and steady in her first season that I can imagine that someone like toady of any any out of the Tony that we know is just going to be held for her but yeah the the big the Big Moo. What was it the It was big movies. Been wanting to take credit. Yeah there was this whole weird discussion. Go a got at tribal council about like it was all about big moves right. It was this idea of light yielding a resume and the double edged sword. Jeff compared it to a Lazy Susan where it's constantly spending and you don't know who's big move it is or who's taking credit for it and then I just love Sophie calling it out being looked. Yeah there's resumes but like quality not quantity. Yeah they were. I loved them. Sort of like pushing back against modern survivor production neglect. Sometimes you just like you're just in a good alliance and you should vote with them rather than screwed over for absolutely no reason to build a quote unquote resume that at low. Help because you're screwing over the people that vote for you know. I thought that was really fun for me. Yeah but I think Tony was just like I don't know if you had some music in his head or something. He just was not listened to that whatsoever. Tony of course exempt from that. We'll speak Tony so let's get into our first game here. This is a game sent by Robbie Biz to us where he called this game. You think you know with Tony quote so like I said at. Tony had a whopping eighteen. Confessionals the most of any contestant on a single episode of survivor including Finales which can last up to two hours. So yeah lot of lot of Tony concentrate here just very very pulpy. Orange JUICE. This week in survivor. So robby took a snatch of Tony. Quotes and blanked out some words to how this is going to work is. We're going to go back and forth here. I'm going to read you a tony quote and basically you're going to have to fill in the blank. The blank is always going to be about one to three words. And you're going to have a choice here we're going to. We're going to twist it up a little bit here if you think you know the answer without needing to see possible options you can guess outright and if you do you get two points if you would rather have some options will give you three multiple choice options but if you get it right it will only be one point so risk reward a constant survivor moral dilemma. Leon I know you re watched the episode getting that Tony Content. Let's see if it pays off here and in the points. Can they please be called? Fire Tokens yes. Absolutely point will be immediately into fire. To- case you so much okay. Good when can I extort someone special extortion round? Yes random person and ask them to give you invisible. Fire Tokens gained for another answer. Okay sounds good. Well let's start with you here so again. I'm going to quote you have to fill in the blank two points if you want to get it right outright and a one point if you get a choice of three options here we go. This is in chronological order with the episode. Awhile everybody's always tired of tribal. They're exhausted. They sleep like blank. Yeah I'm GonNa need the options okay. Is THAT LLAMAS LOGS OR BABIES? Oh shoot let's go with logs. That is correct yes. Tony said that everyone was exhausted. Sleeping like logs and that was that was how he was able to get up in the thick of the night and look for an idol. Even though I guess. Nick was a little bit more of a light sleeper or log. I suppose less log like more vampire like were you know that. I don't know what Tony was thinking before. We move onto more funding games for take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back. Let's keep on keeping on Erin. Here's yours speaking of Nick. Well I'm looking. Nick shows up and he's blink. I'm like this is my area man. What you hear on Kinda Wanna I'll take. I'll take the options please. Is It cramping my style messing me up or invading my privacy? I think I'll go with a crimping my style that is correct. Yes Tony Accuses Nick of making him look cool and cramping his style. That's his fashion. Show looking for the idol and the dark. That's right yeah maybe maybe off to do his own fashion show like you said Aaron him looking for idols. Night where it's Cammo. Tony Brand Bentley. On a I went to work I was looking at local. Looky looky looky looky looky looky scratching scratching blank look look look looking idea I need the options. Was it a looking up. Be Digging digging or see moving leaves. I'm going to go digging digging. I'm sorry it was looking up all the road. I went right to work. I was looking looking looking looking looking looking looking scratching scratching looking up. Oh looking looking for Yes yes. Yes of course or score on the ground when he was digging digging. I think that the probably the seventh looking is when he actually found the idol. Yeses right Aaron question for my real job never undercover like this. The real birds are way more dangerous than getting blindsided on survivor. So right now. I'm having all the fun out here on survivor blank. I'll take the options. Was it a world be planet where see land having all the did? I hear the end of the course. I'm so sorry but right now. I'm having fun out here own survivor. Blink Server World Survivor Planet or survivor land. I'M GONNA say Survivor Planet. I'm sorry it's the newest theme park the nation survivor land. Oh they are classic whilst that I. I think Tony would actually build a theme park. It's sort of like the. We bought a zoo like we bought an amusement park. And Tony we. Try to flip into survivor. Land. We bought a piece of Fiji yes and turned it into survivor land. I'm picturing though more from Beau Jack. Course than I don't know if he goes watch the show. But wouldn't todd makes his amusement park and it's like a flaming tires and like Greece buyer alive. Tony Land Enter survivor. Land by Tony Energy. A LOT OF PLACES TO HIDE. Maybe like to watch the ride from the garage. Yeah that's what the QR is like. You can watch things from the trees now. Construction crew get to work. And what you dig. Dig Dig dig. Dig Up dig all right. Let's go to Yuliana. Yes I'm going to extort somebody because in real life. I can't do that but I know it. Sounds like fun when I'm watching the movies the mobsters extort people for money or they're going to break your legs or break your blank if you don't give me this and that so I'm excited I'm just GonNa Guess Rake your back. I'm sorry it was. Break your fingers okay at least narrowed down to a body part yeah you were basically moved from extremities the mobsters either extort people to break their legs or their fingers on the other. Not Options were kneecaps. Funny Bone or your pants. Yes I'm gonNA break your seem like the fashion wars that Tony is going to set his goons on Knicks. GonNa come rip up. Sarah's close Aaron. Let's go to you okay. I'll tell you what man if this is real life doing some prison time. This is extortion. Code Blank. Something I know. It's a criminal code. Extortion is illegal in the states. I don't know why it's not legal. Here in Fiji. This is ludicrous. I got three talk. They want six. This is extortion code. I guess for the Thrill this is extortion. Code Code Red. Sorry we were looking for a number and a letter in this case. It was to see coach. Tony just tries to site I think law and just forgets into the code for it is actually a real thing or is Tony. Just making stuff up. I can imagine like in in like a police handbook. You know a code for every sort of illegal activity. I can't imagine there you go. That's the number that some sort of crime because it's a song or twenty quite famous the mouth. Of course I'm looking at what five one five. Oh means temporarily involuntary psychiatric commitment of individuals who present a danger to themselves or others due to signs and mental illness. The ending of that. Maybe you know what to be honest. I just made that up. I guess at any numbers and I'm sure it would have been some sort of police code. Onis Toni's approach as well. Well now I'm looking at titled to see the New Jersey Coda criminal justice. Oh okay so I think this is about. Let's see I'm seeing rules of construction which is very on brand for Tony. Yeah it looks like it just looks like a lot of yes. A two seat looks like a precursor for reporting some sort of illegal activity. He just forgot the rest of it. Got It okay. I'm so impressed especially at your brain mush at that point. I can't imagine how many numbers he must remember let alone like an actual prefix for a legal code and he had done all that looking and looking up so much worry. How can you remember? All those things should have looked up to. He should have looked up. The right code formerly all right Liana and then so this. Is Tony Talking to Michelle? Who really tries to like sneak her way out of giving a token to Tony. Clean and says Tony. I spent my tokens on an advantage. I say wow that great Michelle. How much did it cost you? She said four. Or Five Tokens. I'm like WHOA. The price of blame just went up advantages. I'm sorry the answer was milk weirdly. I we had you know it was milk. Aaron. I just remember it being so funny. I was like what is he talking with? Up delivered by drone especially exactly pays service charge for that. But Yeah Tony I mean. Tony was likes to make a lot of like store. Metaphors like remember when he saw the fire at the birds. Would you have to go to the Bodega? And you can't even afford a stick of gum like. He really likes this analogy. That he's sticking in the store and so he talks about the price of milk going up worse. Of course all right Erin. Everybody's very calm cool and blank and you're tired of all the talking chattering like hey we're solid. Let's just talking if they want to stop and slow down. That's better for me because I'm not stopping and slowing down. I'm always thinking win. They're not I was guest collected. Ooh that's a trick question. The answer was quiet. Tony got a bit of derailed and didn't finish the actual phrasing zoning I would love to hear it the book of Tony Versions of phrases so calm. Cool and milk yeah right. It's just a list of all these phrases with like the ED part missing or some sort of mistake like a stitch in time saves saved your life. Oh my gosh. Yeah Lake early to bed early to breakfast. A few chocolate chips short of a Crayon box. Exactly like Oh. He's not the dollars. Crayon up the kids knows the just Tony `ISMs across the board all right Leon back to you. I can't believe it Jeremy's blank. I'm trying to save him at begging him to save him. Chevy's blank all right. I. I'M GONNA play it safe. I took some guesses. They were completely wrong. Let me hear the options stupid reluctant or Delusional Oud Delusional. I'm sorry it was reluctant. Oh I bet delusional. It'd be like a very tony word calling someone and delusional. Yeah I do love that. Tony just like I'm begging Jeremy to save himself. I know it's hard for him to say like listen. I've been trying to get rid of you but right now I don't want to because yeah you gotta get episode Tony. That was so fun. Yeah we'll that whole interaction was just so funny because it was like the entire time. He's playing Jeremy and then the one time he's not playing him of course. Jeremy's like I don't know about that. Yeah yeah he was playing like a day ago his plate of the bridge. We're going for Jeremy next to my best friend though the next day is like I don't know about this. So how could Germany doesn't believe me I will say. I also am impressed that Jeremy is still in. I'm impressed by Jeremy. Still in the game I've got piled friend. Yeah good for him especially because you know remember that he lost Natalie the very first episode and so for him to stay this long I think is impressive and also remember that at the merge he might have gone instead of. Wendell had he not want immunity that time it has been a surprisingly slippery slope for Jeremy. Considering like how rock-solid he was in his second season a little bit of a complicated this one. This has to Blake's the less trouble with a bit blank. Everybody was mentally exhausted physically exhausted so he put a plan in blank. We were like okay. Let's just take to it to tap today. Everybody are we good are we are we? Are we good? Everybody said yes. Yes yes yes. Yes and we took it easy. I have what I would assume. A normal person would say but I don't It's milk and milk exactly. That's the pits. Bilk only put a plan in milk and got a very soggy. The tribal was chaotic. And they put a plan in motion. You know what I'm GonNa give you a point because most was one of the motion was one of the blanks. While the other one was trouble was a bit hectic. Oh that's synonyms. I think it counts. No it doesn't count. What am I saying? Don't count. No Yeah I think only one fire. Okay well the good news is you didn't need much. Because unlikely on US predictions we were surprisingly sparse. And Fire Tokens despite the price of milk. Going up but Aaron squeaked it out right there at the very end you have won this game two to one clearly. You know Tony WLAC goes but I think we've all learned that. The man is as unpredictable in his win. Manner of speaking as he is as a survivor player. Congratulations I feel. I feel blessed by some peanut butter. Blessed and highly favored. Alright I want to speaking of Tony and speaking of Fire Tokens Tony. Burrows FIRE TOKENS FROM JEREMY. From Ben from Nick I believe. And so he does require tokens and he earns to fire tokens by winning immunity. This week so I want road alla t you guys Mike. Who Do you think Tony is going to pay back? We'll pay back anybody. I guess. Maybe it's the first question and if so who you think he pays back. I I also want to say the extortion advantage. I'm not a huge fan of it. Like created some fun moments but. I'm still not sure how I feel about like I don't know for some reason. There's a difference in my mind between sending players the opportunity for an advantage and like forcing players to do something or else. They get penalized. Because of it. You know and I feel like Luckily Natalie in poverty wanted tokens so the only quote unquote only charge six. But I feel like in another world if you have like a bitter AF person on the issue this thing. They could be like great. Twenty Fire Tokens please. And then that person's just absolutely screwed so I'm glad it worked out here and I think this is actually a great proving of Tony Social Capital. He was able to gain so far that he went to Nick. Ben and Jeremy guys from basically three different contingencies and they all were able to give them a token because he was able to like make everyone believe that they were on his side so I give him massive Kudos Internet sober. He deserves Kudos. Kudos Kudos. That being said my first instinct is that he paid back Nick and Jeremy so that they had an incentive to vote with him I was GONNA think that he may be paid back. Nick and band just to like keep the alliance feeling safe and just get. That is confusing. Maybe he did pay back Jeremy. But you're right. Yeah well my original thought was oh. He's going to. He's going to borrow from Jeremy because then he's GonNa vote him out so I'm like you know. Take care of her. That was definitely the plan. I think walking into that immunity challenge so I think that was very easily his Mo and then for some reason. He was just struck with inspiration. Maybe it's because he has the necklace around as the one and he had an idol also in his pocket so he really does have. He does have room to be a little bit Hasty or not he Stephen Rash Swagger swagger play more chaotic. You know 'cause you have stuff that you can fall back on yeah. I think it's interesting because you know we kind of saw a little bit in the preview of Sarah being mad af so I do wonder if it's like okay. No I will get rid of Jeremy this week and so he won't bother paying Jeremy Back because it's like okay. We're going to get rid of Jeremy. Do you think you can give her fire tokens. If Sarah Fire Tokens I'm sorry here. Like recompense ooh. Yeah that'd be interesting but I wonder if it's like a debt collector kind of thing where it's like nick comes to Tony and Tony's I. I don't have the money man like go to Sarah. She's got all my money and then it's just like a chain it. He does if he is able to rain all his Alliance of Sarah and then he will be playing his original game and they vote out Jeremy and then he screws one of them over. It wouldn't be wild. It'd be funny to see if they all fell for it. But they're all they're all smart so what he did. You know described over one and went back and screwed over wine and went back. The interesting thing would be if he votes out. Jeremy Ben Dick than they are like crazy. I Know Tony. Has Fire Tokens? Let me sell in this advantage. Yeah yeah the let me just go. You know 'cause I wonder if we're GONNA see another kind of punishment I doubt it but another sort of like punishment disadvantage come from the edge of extinction. Because you know now maybe people are a little bit more but her like might send stuff to Tony being like screw you. Tony like out. Yeah I do wonder I guess out of the people on the edge of extinction right now. Do you think would have been most likely to use the extortion advantage for malice. Rather than gaining fire tokens. Ooh That's a good question. Who Do I think? Out of all of them Let's see we'll Tyson was Kinda mad cause. He flipped entire table off when he got voted out so but I feel like he would have calmed down. Maybe by the time he got there but if it had been right after. I think that could have been really fun to watch. Yeah the people. The most recently voted off are GonNa be the mom or dad or maybe Boston rob would be mad at ban. Yeah I'm trying to think. Yeah I think this does feel like pretty truly move and I feel like this is something tiresome with. I mean before this episode. I would've said Natalie and Natalie even vocalise is that in this episode right. She's like I don't have any allies like I could very easily. Just use this mess with somebody. She was excited at the opportunity to do so. But the fire tokens was just too bright and so her and PARV collaborated together at the squeezed. Six Tokens Tony Slash Ben Slash Nick. Slash Jeremy I wonder if production like okay. Let's say Tyson gotten it or or whatever. It doesn't matter who we'll say God and it was like I'm GONNA ask for Sixty. Nine fire tokens bet or check or whatever like what would have been like alright over. It had to be the only the amount of fire consider in play but even still that would be so many but surprised. I thought can't you can't ask like Infinity Fire Champions? Yeah just like you will not vote. He will not play an immunity so brutal. And not even. Just you're out of your immunity challenge but you also don't get to vote is so that was a but he did it. He pulled it off. Yeah that's that's kind of interesting okay. Would you change the advantage in some way to maybe make it like one or the other like Mike especially because you know you're not the biggest fan of his advanced? Well I don't even know what to call it this advantage. Yeah Do you think like give. It have been one that would have been better or just like not at the concept is losing haute is so bad. There's not that many people APSO that's huge. I don't understand. I agree with Aaron. I don't understand why they didn't just the island of the idols thing you fail. You lose your vote instead of having a pile like Angelou's immunity. I guess they really want to push people to try to overcome this extortion. But like Erin said this is a key piddle vote especially if it was initially set up to be five versus four that some people thought that like people are going to work their asses off to overcome that extortion. Even if it's just for one thing Yeah Right. Yeah very true okay. Well let's let's switch gears a little bit although we're still talking fired Hogan's and kind of a little bit still talking Tony But we were thinking you know. How do we make an extortion game? And I've had these thoughts or something happens that survivor. Like how do I make this into a game? And there's no active figure it out but we got kind of close. I think this week we are going to be playing survivor. Deal or no deal instead of extorting you I will be making. Some offer is as the banker to play our version of dealer not L. so in traditional dealer no deal you have cases that are packed from one dollar. Well technically all the way to one million dollars and you will try to get the most amount of money of course today. We are playing for fire token soon so I have sort of a board for you guys to please let me just like go ahead and kick things off a little bit of a Howie. Mandel inspired scripts helped wheeler no wheel. Okay so here we got just didn't I? Okay hello everyone. I'm your host Lee on abortion. Welcome to deal or no deal where our lucky contestants are hoping to leave. Today's podcast with one million fire tokens but will they be successful. This game is a slippery slope. Put Twists and turns keeps you on the edge of your seat that quote. I did pull from the intro of dealer. No deal upset south sound. It's not too unfamiliar from like something. Jeff probst would say tribal council. Oh yeah all right so you know what was it. Shoot a drink before. War is always a good idea. Free SLOW PIT OUT AFTER THAT. Right full of twists and turns Okay so this is GonNa work. We have twelve available cases. Each packed with a different amount of fire tokens ranging from one to one million fire. Really just trying to make this happen so today the way this is. GonNa work is Mike and Erin. You two are going to be playing as a team so the very first thing. I'm going to need the two of you. To do is to agree on a case number that is going to become your case so please make a number between one and twelve Aaron. Do you have any affinity for any numbers between one and twelve. Seven seems lucky. I don't know why Okay Mike. Do you think about that. I mean listen. I'll go with seven. It's like halfway between sure. Okay Oh okay also. I don't know how this board. Dj Lebel client at this last time again. So number seven is off the board and it is now your guys his case. Okay so what we're going to do now is I'm going to need trying to tie this into survivor. Is Somehow you have to vote off three cases aboard? And then you will get your first banker deal okay. So we have to vote three cases off. Are there any that you don't particularly like Erin you feel are threatening to to is striking me as suspicious? Yea well ever. Since I saw nine on the boat I was. I just had a bad feeling that they turn on me at some point. Yeah I'm I'm cool to get rid of nine to nine and let's pick an element of. Should we go with the minesweeper approach and go with like one around seven to see you? Don't think it works like yeah. Maybe six okay. Two six nine okay to sixty nine so you have pulled to six thousand nine off. So we're GONNA do is. I'm going to reveal the values in those cases that you have pulled off the board so drum roll at early okay. Incase number two. Let's go ahead and have our model Aka me open case number two it is. Oh no the million hoops not great. Not a great start guys. Okay but that's okay. You saw the half a million dollars. Half a million tokens or on the board. And a million million fire tokens. It's too heavy. Spend it on milk acting now. I mean come on come on. It's the price of milk is gone up sky-high. Don't need that all right. Let's go ahead and open up. Hase number nine it is. Oh No that happened. I guess we're just have bad instincts about two nine. We thought they were so bad but they were working out for us. We they were suspicious. They ended up being the big ones. Something about them was off in the wrong way instead of the wrong direction. Unfortunately okay well we have one more. Take off the board before you get your first. Y'All and that is number sex. Oh that is B. E. thousand dollars down and fire token container. Okay Yeah Okay not ask that. The quarter of a million fire tokens up. They're not going to lie to values really kind of hurt you bet but that's okay that's okay all right so oh rate should've made. I'm getting a phone call from the banker. Okay Yeah Hello Yeah I don't I don't know if these guys have stamina to go all the way. Yeah Okay Yeah. Are you sure that's what you WANNA do? Okay all right guys. The banker is note. The edge of extinction is prepared to offer you. Forty thousand one hundred and eighty five fire tokens. That is already thousand. One hundred and eighty five fire tokens. I will leave it up to the two of you to debate and discuss kind of blue this round. What are you thinking? Should we keep pressing our luck or should we take the really random deal we can take the the random deal but I do feel like we have to pad are resume and makes them more moves exactly this Games one on big moves? You know you miss all the shots you don't take so we're slamming the coconut shell over that but in the Liana no deal no deal and then the lights like Oh ten the okay no deal all right so now you have to eliminate more aces off the board all right. Let's talk over the opposite. Aaron I'm feeling good about eleven so I feel like we should take eleven off. Yeah that's what I say we should. Our instincts are clearly wrong so yeah. Let's take eleven. Okay all right. Let me let me before you continue. Let me go ahead and reveal that way. You can know if your strategy is working or not. Okay we're going to go ahead and take eleven off aboard. It is the one hundred. Wow and getting off the ones you like Erin okay okay. Now what do I feel good about? I guess they feel good about threes. So maybe we vote off three all right. Let's do it okay. We're voting off three. That is oh my gosh. It's the fifty. Wow Wow okay this is the this is a string of good luck here. Ignore your instincts. Is the moral all right all right? Let's see I'm going point at a number eight and I'm going to go the opposite of that which is five getting rid of five. So do I don't remember. House works on the show. Five hundred how okay. So this is overall a really good round for you guys. Aaron how are you feeling? I'm feeling good. I'm now certain the one dollars seven because that's what we picked right away. That's true but other than that. I feel good okay. Other than that. You feel good all right. So let's go ahead and call up and see what the banker banker calls me. Hold on such a stupid fit all right. We're done with that all right. The bankruptcy called the Bait. No extinction texted me. Did you like the challenge? When you're like. Hey guys we got a text Motorola phone from extinction you could open. And it's like an excel. She liked music video. Yeah okay a great. So the edge of extinction via message in a bottle is prepared to offer you guys. Sixty thousand one hundred and sixty. Nine Fire Tokens ooh slightly higher slightly higher. I don't know I mean we. I feel like at this point I could go down in flames. And and just keep playing keep picking the baskets the briefcase baskets now are. They should've been basket. I should made this little thing. Survivor did not. So let me let me just recap free guys. What's left on the board? So you do. Have the quarter of a million fire tokens. You have the a hundred thousand fire tokens and then you have the ten thousand one thousand ten and one had left on the board. Well that's the thing I wonder if W- because if seven doesn't need to fire token which I totally believe we won't get the opportunity to switch it out until the end so I guess the question is. Do we stop now or do we keep going until we get that opportunity. It's tough it's really tough. I've never really been more nervous in my life than I am in this we could take it and just and then. And then what? What is the rule we get to switch our case out? And maybe make more money. Is that what happens now? So if you take a deal the game is done but if you keep playing the game so next if you if you say no deal you only have to eliminate two cases before you get your next offer okay. That's huge now. Yeah matters but if you do all the way down to the end where there's only to the case that you guys picked and one case on the board you do have the opportunity to swap. Hey says this is. My heart is pounding if only there was lights and dramatic music as well sedimentary conditions. Let's just eliminate two more for the sake. I'll throw your alive exactly. We need a little bit of tinge in our system so slammed on a coconut. Shell no deal. No deal did okay. We're saying no is that are those that music or sound like a motorcycle running down. I don't know Right now you have to pick two more cases so let's go ahead and open up one case off the board. Are we still going to stick with the reverse strategy all defect to you for this first one? Okay it's like. We have a lot of even numbers left on the board for for those against see but we only have one odd number which is one so that one. That one's scares me that odd number. So maybe that I can't remember scares me means that we should this is like the reverse reverse reverse. This is the princess bride. Yeah yeah this is going to drink that let's limit. Let's eliminate one unless you don't want to buy. No let's do it. It's all your call. Oh God okay Yup okay. We are eliminating one off. The Board Dow was the ten thousand fire token K. Is exactly whereas could be worse? He still have the quarter of a million and the one hundred million one hundred million. If I'm only one hundred thousand fire token case left on the board okay so I'm closing my eyes and I'm moving my finger around. This board could sniff frantic faction wherever it lands. I'm going to go the opposite direction. Oh yes e okay all right. I'M GONNA choose case number ten please. He's number ten. Okay let's go ahead and open that one up it is guys. It is the one fire token. Yes the board not in your case. Congratulations that's huge okay. So one from the upper tier and one from the lower eliminated. Yo that's right. Yeah okay so we're getting down to the wire here. There are four total cases in play. Your case may contain a quarter of a million buyers. The other cases are the hundred thousand. One Thousand Fire Tokens or the ten fire tokens. Now I am getting. Oh what what. Oh is this a is this a sound effect? I'm trying to play on my phone. Maybe guys to hear that no. It's the softest phone ring in his pocket. Deep inside of it goes in. My other. Purse always stored as phone backstage. And he's gotTa go get it all right. We are getting a deal from the banker. Now let me tell you. Banker is not happy. You guys that you knock one fire again off the board but the banker is willing to offer you. Eighty seven thousand. Seven hundred and fifty. Three Fire Tokens Up The two of you say deal or no deal now. Let me throw this out there. If you say no deal you only have to eliminate one more case. Wow so what's it. GonNa Be Gang Yale or no deal? I mean. That's a pretty high. Amount of fire tokens a lot of peanut butter. It's like the would be like second place and survivor after taxes exactly. Yeah Yeah third-place money which is like pretty good when you convert assuming it's one token for a dollar. Yeah you'll probably get invited back for another season because you did pretty well unless you were the goat but even then cast made it back so I take maybe just for another option of another all right on. I'm taking the coconut Shell. And I'm eating it which I think means. We're taking the deal or taken the deal. Well congratulations. You both have earned eight hundred. Eighty thousand seven hundred and fifty three. Point Tokens. Which is I? Don't even know how you're going to get that home. Because when Tony was holding sex it seemed to already like a lot of all closed. Own personal belongings. No matter you're just carrying all the Fire Tokens at your carry ons. You're going to have to fill the Boston. Robin Sandra heads. Full of fire tokens ship them back to the United States. Now let's see whether or not you made a good deal in case number seven your case there was one thousand. Fire Tokens. Okay you earned. I guess. Eighty six thousand more fires again that you would have gotten so well done. Congratulations the audience plotting from back. I'm using my fire tokens. I'm taking a one way trip to survivor. Land enjoy enjoy hiding in the trees trees and not watch a fashion show right. That's strictly forbidden and survivor lands. Well well done. I think you guys did much better than any of the survivor's would've done so you know. His you have more fire tokens. So that's how I was going to say. Do you think that any particular people would do? Well for dealer no deal considering how high stakes in nerve racking it is yeah. Tony has to be on dealer no deal. I would make big nerves. I Dunno Tony kind of looks like Howie Mandel. Who could take his place? Yeah yeah that's that's possible also sort of inside baseball comment so the way that I did. The value amounts is essentially. Just take the average of what was left on the board and the fact that sixty nine thousand one hundred sixty nine came up as I kid you not the actual average of what was left made my life and I was like his being cheeky. Legit the average so horny little game. This song came in the Marta. Who would have thought dealer? No deal or Neha game out there. Well as we file away. Our Fire Tokens. I WanNa talk about something. That's a Middle East sort of survivor related but sort of not Because I saw a tweet this morning Liana that you have introduced your sweet booth thing Infra F- Akili to the world of flavor of love. Have you not so I have? I have so. I watched all of the flavor of Love Rock of love. I Love New York. I love money. Daisy of love the weird one with frank the entertainer. Real chance that love. I watched all of those. When they were in their heyday and come to find out the person I want to spend the rest of my life with has never seen a single one. It was time to correct this gross injustice in the world and I made him watch the entire first season of rock of labor of love. Yesterday we watched the whole thing. It was essential laziness. We Ate Pizza. Nice cream and watch flavor of love on the couch. It was amazing. That sounds incredible so before we get into these survivors very thin application of. It doesn't hold up because that aired what initially like two thousand six or something. There is definitely some comments that would one hundred percent. You would be cancelled today but surprisingly you for what I expected. So yeah I would but overall I mean in terms of the drama and the entertainment of it absolutely holds up it is iconic Aaron. Have you have you ever been a fan of those? Vh1 CELEB- reality shows. I would say that I in college watched some of them in sort of a college hayes so I like them but I usually like the ones we'll but people did win this one as reality shows that usually like when people win and lose his head. I mean technically yes. There was a winner but that being said no one except for the audience really won the shows. Everyone's lost I was. I was not an avid watcher. But I did watch and enjoy so that being said I figured out what we could do. Is You know if Liana wants to put on her viking hat once more after her hayes from yesterday and see if we can assign some of flavor of love esque nicknames. Some of the people from this caste for people who don't know flavor Flav for some reason. Maybe it's because he just doesn't remember people's names would lines up. All the girls at the beginning of every flavor of love season talks them for like thirty seconds and then comes up with a nickname just based on whatever might be on where they're from and might be how they look in a random fact about them. Liana. Do you have any Favorite flavor of love nicknames. Over the years ooh okay. That's good so po. Pumpkin not pumpkin. Pumpkin Which again. I don't know exactly why she was called Pumpkin. But that's a pretty good one Let's see so classically you know the woman who is from Georgia is called Georgia. But I think what really stands out? Is that usually there's Z. At the end and Kinda got weirder as the seasons went along. I'm looking at some right now that I really love. I love the season. Two toasty with threes. At the end of that season was my favorite. I think it's spelled pay. I Y Shins as age. I N T Z. There's also is really weird nickname but E. I. E. Y. Apostrophes Z. At the end I also love. I think my favorite though overall it's a simple one might be tree ceases three. There's just a really tall woman who came on that flav dictator tree. It's so good so that being said I would love for us to sort of have our creative juices flow and see if there are any nicknames. We can use to come up with some of these people all under name here. I and he's sort of been top of mind. Hopefully this'll be easy. Do we have a nickname for Tony that we can assign from flavor of Love House? Cue Ball Yeah but it's got to be like Q. Hyphen Mall this episode specific. It's like extortion. But spelled with an axe like torsion. You know yeah or let's see I'm sure there was someone called chains with Z. As I don't know that feels the COP thing change changes that's like Dean from last season. Let's see because usually it's based on like some some like physical attribute I would say is like most of the time because also on I love New York which is a successor is supposed to flavor of love. She also names all of her contestants New York and so they get the you know. Like twelve pack Or like white boy or Mr Boston. Those sort of classic names of I think my favorite was pootie. Dude or Gee we'd there were a lot of t's there was like T. We t-boned team money. I remember there was one guy who is I remember was known for being very well. Hung and his nickname was a wolf. Are Wolf's famously Hong. I met many wolves to know. Great Lake Wasn't like I dunno like Horace. Don't make those. I think the worst thing is that these people try to build like entertainment careers off this like thankfully like frank the entertainer but imagine being like. I'm Greg Wolf Harris. And please give me your cameo money all right. Let's move on here. How about Ben? What's a good thing nickname for Ben Well the first second someone is cowboy. Because that's kind of like. Would it be spelled like the contestant from survivor Cook Islands with the I? Yeah we're about like a bomb. Yeah it could be bomb. He was heroes. Hustler was he. A Hustler was a hero. He was a hero. That doesn't work like UH slurs. Somehow it'd be a great name Ben. Yeah it could be. It also could be like just straight up like Ben bomb. I could see now at Namm. Yeah Grudge. He always says he could be like grudge. Ya and that's a very fitting for Ben. Okay what about what about Sarah Lassina? Should it be like? I don't know like seem or skirt or like about fashion. She's so our so famously. A criminal I mean that was her winning season. So how about how about sneak but like a? Oh Yeah you need the double E. I was also thinking like stripes is with a Z. Right so she's a criminal so you know. She's got our stripes designer now. Oh and she's a designer so it's like a dual meaning because we all know these nicknames. Were so creative. Especially when flavor flav named the twins thing one thing to uniform she can be sneaking stripes or stripes and Snake Tomac name. Yeah Yeah how about Denise what do you think? Denise? It'd be like shorty or something. Yeah you're right or if there's already a shortage shortly to like very uncreative. I like shortly to Maybe she'd be like pint-size or something or no shortage. Ooh The lion. I like that a lot. I was GONNA ask if if flavored you would take advantage of her being a sex therapist and do something I like I like to. I'm just having now. This mental image of Jeff probes colleague on people at Tribal Council calling them by their nicknames was one world with Troy Zan and Tarzan battle. That really did feel like a flavor of little. Bit of drama there too. And it's like I can't believe it he's Tarzan. I'm troy. That bitch stole my nickname. Like one of the first episodes. Oh my God it was so funny and then when when he votes are like when somebody gets voted out. Be Like you know like I'm sorry your time is up and then otherwise you get a clock. That's like you know what time it is. What do you think it would be? Would it be like you did a torch instead? Yeah I guess you would get your tour. Yeah you get your torch and we'll be like shoot. What would be his catchphrase? That is like my like your your. Your life is still burning in the game or something Yeah he's we used to make sure the tribe has spoken is good but it feels almost like more of Jeff conferring this like thing upon you so it's like you're fires burnt out or like your fires still burning or something like that. What about Michelle Fitzgerald? Who might find herself up? One of these dating shows nowadays. What do you think her nickname would be parallel? Let's see what is I mean? Mccown it mechanic. Michelle is iconic. Because she's such a queen so she could just be like Yaas Queen. Jeff probst being like Yaas Queen. How'd you feel about that? I saw you roll your eyes your screen so you roll your eyes. When sneaky strives to said she wanted to vote you out just to confirm grudge. You're playing this idol on Yasser Queen. Yep that's gotta be. Her name is yes when doll. She's definitely yes queen plane. What do we think all right so I'm going to put one? I mean Nick is going to be an interesting one. Right like you could go with Dracula. Yeah Nikola what about like whisper? Because he's always so like just POPs up. What the wind did Sandra say to him at the beginning like you're the newest winner so everyone thinks you're sneaky. Yeah he's sneak to snow sneaky stripes and Sydney key to even get like another sticky to. He's sneaky vampire. I like vampire though but it'd be like but be spelled horribly wrong lake. Let's see Vam No I can't even do it like yeah. No It'd be like V. H. M. Yeah. Why are wise? And they're yeah p. y. r. e. or something like that. Yeah that's good. Do we think that she would nickname Boston. Rob Boston Rob would he be that? Unoriginal? It'd be Boston. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Oh for sure because like sometimes you get like that one person. It's just like they can't think of anything to describe them by so it's like very obvious so Boston rob would obviously at something Boston themed. What about Adam? Client CLIMATE SOLICIT RATIOS. Shorty Watch shot. Saudi want shorting to. I can't remember who I think you'll would be numbers but with my bs three CS professor with busy in there. Somehow the E is a three. Because it's gotta be numbers like the upside down all right. I'll come up with one. Final one here Natalie. Anderson what's Natalie Anderson's flav nickname or? She's a twin. Yeah she's one of. She's winning thing. She could be twenty. Which yeah I totally sear being twenty. But like she's just by herself like she's just twenty like there's no on this season at least other number. There's no number right. Yeah Okay Yeah I think that makes sense now. I don't understand why they're not targeting. Sarah and nick sooner clearly there. Because they're sneaky stripes and sneaky vampire only God yes. They are a pair. Yes that totally makes sense. How high is really cracked? The code here also. I feel like we've really need to institute nicknames on every single show from here on out like I don't care what it is American idol top chef. The voice. Like give me like name. I mean I would like to say like depending on the guest that we have on like we should institute shorthand for everybody week after week. When we're like you know let's talk about the move. That grudge made and whether queen saw has a chance to the end does institute our very own language for everybody. These these are the names. We now decide to call them. Well if if you all out there have any nicknames. I'm sure please send them our way. We are super receptive to them and speaking of submissions. Let's finish off this week on the BNB with how we in every week on the question of the Week. Of course the segment where we send out a question out into the survivor ethos when we get back a bunch of lovely and fund responses from the fans at large last week's question the week when we thought that. Tony had his maximum airtime for the season and talk about being fast and sloppy or than slow and patient. Used to worse to describe any survivor of your choice. And you know we've varied a bit in terms of the number but we stayed in a roundabout range. Let's start with John. John Three words to describe Russell Hands. Terrible Jury Management John. John that's going to get you blocked by Russell. Hands I think yeah. Did you see the thing on twitter with somebody got blocked? And then they lay tweeted out the the people that got more jury votes than Russell. Hands like survivor quotes X. Account where they post a really great account for any survivor fan to follow where they give out a bunch of different quotes from survivor periodically because they got blocked by Russell heads. They proceeded to post every single person. That has more jury votes than Russell. Hansen there ever career like fifty three people. It's amazing I love that Tomas says because Chris Underwood one after coming back from the edge of extinction this describing came in two words as edge Lord Count. The Edge Lord. Yeah let's take one of those. I don't think that means what you think. Danske says two words to describe Rodney three CS or after Tony. Apparently it's cool calm and quiet season A. Q. Or is just quiet. That could also be a nickname. It's quiet but with a C. C. Essay W I remember that's knicks like underhanded. Dick Dave see once they get rid of sneaky vampire. Parker Schindler says Thai Chicken Man. Shane crazy. Uncle ream ream daily and Joe Main. A- A- Tony. I love how I know. That ream dailies name is rimmed daily but also redeeming daily is also rim daily. Never thought I'd say the only name that's also a recommendation rule number one or whatever. It was ream daily. Alright Logan says Nora Salman is healthy and exciting or so much I mean personally. I would've preferred zesty thrown in there because I was personally one of my favorites from when she describes herself If we ever talked about this on the podcast by Leon. I don't know if you've listened to his deep dive Do you know the origin behind that. Finale that confessionals. She had in the finale where she described herself. Because it was your soup question right. It was apparently she said in confessional like I remember this guy asked me preseason about what by was and I described like I'm healthy and lively zesty and they sort of cut out the part where I ask a stupid question. And that's what made the episode by. That's amazing I've never been more proud like this. Parents must feel like when their child Bach. I don't know my my child is soon to walk. So I'll see if it compares to my soup question like sort of offhandedly getting referenced on a survivor Finales. Okay sorry zesty also. It'd be a great nickname if I would be hers and finally the Great Jacobs Weinstein. My two words are for Adam Klein willing to try anything and clever enough to use dashes to get around the two word restriction and yes those were all in dashes smart stay. Listen you've got to push the rules. Push the word count for next week so we saw this extortion advantage so something that we came up with for questioned the week. I want us all to put on our producer hats. Come up with an advantage around something. Illegal like -cribe like the mugging advantage or the embezzlement advantage. Because I'm still so mystified by this idea that I would love to see what other illegal activities code to see. Something are going to be able to show up on survivor reasonably speaking. The door has been blown open now. Guys like crime is apparently legal in Fiji on the survivor islands. As we now know and now WanNa see this taken to the Max I love the international waters that apparently Fiji as and when it comes to extortion Fiji going to have to put out some key essay. Afterthefact talk it's okay to travel to Fiji not be mugged. You will not be dealing with like embezzlement or extortion. We promised I I too. I remember when I was in college a totally random story but I do remember that one of the leaders of like our study abroad program always had this first session to introduce the study abroad program to students but she always treated it like it was like a scared straight program and she was infamously known for like every four sentences or so just emphasizes that we would be robbed like if you go to. This country robbed go to Europe. Robbed Australia robbed. That's what your civic yourself to this is why I she. I guess she wanted to make sure we were there for the right reasons to get robbed. Yeah STRAIGHT TO JAIL. Exactly just putting just turned away as soon as you get off the plane because it's pretty much gone anyway. We'll come up with the hashtag robbed advantage and a bunch of other stuff next week. Send us all your advantage. Ideas that deal with illegalities. You can always email them to us. Rha P. A. B. N. A. B. gmail.com use HASHTAG RHA on social media super excited for next week guests so it's super criminal to lose Sophie. Here I really do feel like she was playing a fantastic game truly a fallen angel next week. I'm very excited to welcome our most recent fallen Angel in survivor. The fourth place finisher from survivor island of the idols. Lauren Beck is going to be joining us next week to repack episode twelve super excited for Lawrence. She's a great personality. She's actually hosting her own Youtube series. That recaps island of the idols. This welcome back a bunch of survivor alumni as well. So I'm sure she has a lot of autumn AC- if there were any more uncut soup confessionals that hit the cutting room floor. Can't wait to hear it so excited for now. Aaron thank you so much for coming on you. Leave these of being be with forty. Plus thousand fire tokens a bunch of nicknames. And hopefully some stuff to take back to your grandmother and then some of our people who want to follow what you may be talking out there on the Internet. How can people follow you on social media and and give us some details about your about your new book about the astonishing life of August marked for People? Who might be interested in it? Yeah my my book is a comedic coming of age novel about a boy who was born and raised in New York. City Theater is published by Harper in early April. We had fun quarantine publishing but it's better. Everything's been going great. It's but it's a fun. Read for these times where you're doing nothing at home anyway. Might as well read. It's Breezy Little Fun Book. And then you can follow me on twitter. I'm Aaron Jackson. Eight five and on instagram garbage. Troll Ga all surprised that was. That was good now right okay. You've broken Mike. Go on this how much. I didn't realize that was just Garvey. All right well. I'm very excited to make sure you check out this novel guys. I've read a little bit and I have especially as a big feeder fed. I have very much enjoyed it. I believe it's available. Also in audiobook format is that right is that is correct. Yes Liana what do you have going on in the past week in podcast land? Okay so first of all before I give my plugs. I I have a request to ask of the listeners. So if you're still listening and if you have a twitter please at tweet at br no at Cohen Brian Underscore. That is Brian. Cohen Co host of the challenge. Podcast he and I are currently feuding and I would appreciate if you tweeted at him to please say that the BNB rules please spell it with a z. So how shock RHA P BNB rules. Which should we give a nickname to Brian? As well as they can use refer to him. Yes we should give him a nickname. Okay what would Brian's nickname let's see so he is a co host. The challenge wrap up. I don't know if that helps inform anything we could call him bonkers. That's where they're currently living this out. Since he loves Johnny Bananas You can call him like plan. Tain or itty-bitty Bananas Okay. Nickname not required. Just tweet tweet at Cohen Brian Underscore. Okay it's Brian. Cowen twitter and just tell them that the BNB rules okay. All that's my request. Even if like five of you do you have made my day so Other than that you can find me on twitter at Liana R. H. A. I am podcasting about the massacre with his and Vakili and we also took a little bit about flavor of love so this is me I think pushing to get him to watch it and then next week we'll probably have a little bit of our thoughts on it but anyway we also talked about the massing I think at some point and also drag race so brought welcome. Altamont adamant and you're talking about routes Paul's drag race and talks about the political episode this week so that should be up soon and look for that in your feet. Follow me at a Mike Bloom type. As I mentioned I did. My alumni interviewed this week spoke with Albert destroyed from survivor South Pacific about Sophie's game. I really really highly encouraging. Albert had a lot of really great about his thoughts on Sophie's game. How she did her second time around. How did you first time around? And the whole perception of the lower cheered winner stuff so check that out. Parade Dot com slash tag slash survivor. Also doing as per usual every week. The top chef recaps as well as my episodic lost rewatch podcast with Josh. Wailer did a couple of other scripted stuff. This past week I'm appearing on Hausky cast to recap the first ever episode of Riverdale. I've ever seen with Kirsten McGinnis and Mary could Hausky. It was God. Damn Dick euless But I really enjoyed it. So we get into everything in my My incredulity with the naming conventions on that show mostly going to be on the choir room. Podcast with Matla gory. Going on Edwin to talk about the season one finale of glee which was another show that is similarly felt very ridiculously. Went off the rails. I'm happy to connect back to two thousand nine Mike to see what he was feeling at the time. Oh my Gosh I can't wait. That's going to be good. I thought about watching the riverdale episode also because Digi new. Did you meet sweet? He I heard he was on celebrity drag race. He was he was indeed and he was a lot of fun so no sweet sweet. Tea was not in the male prison that archie found himself had a pickup football game. Man Talk about all the nicknames they can have their. Yeah what what. He met mad dogs. That's really one big one. She'd be take out her teeth for him. So if you have game suggestions are like the Great Robbie Biz did with the Tony. Tony quotes game. Absolutely send them our way. We are dame for Dame's of emailed in Tunis Rha P. B. NBA. Or if you have a small idea you can tweet them to us as well. We have our antennas up everywhere to pick up anything everything. I cannot believe. We're only a few weeks removed or approaching the end of this seat and this is coming very quickly down the line Like a fast hurdling trade but considering what just happened I cannot wait to see where we're going from here special. Thanks to Scott saint-pierre for editing all this behind the scenes or head writer Paul. Also send Wolfram America for his fantastic theme song. Aaron Jackson thank you so much again. Be on a great work as per usual. We'll be back next week with Lauren Beck from survivor. Thirty nine to breakdown episode of survivor winters at war for now. We'll check you out at your next day. Some day right off sounds as the R H. Hey peyton manning day and I can sell. You are three.

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SurvivorAU Know-It-Oz | Week 9 (Ep 19 & 20)

"Yeah. Beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything you need to call her putatively radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty. Hey, what's going on his thick identity here just a quick nerd at the top of the podcast about a couple of things. First of all, it's been a pretty big week in the identity household. My pregnant wife ended up in cost flu. Everything is absolutely fun, but it's definitely taking some time away from the regular schedule of alive. So we've had to kind of jam this interview with Luke in when he could do it. And also the only time that I could do, hence why it's a little bit shorter than usual to good good good amount of time and now, but also it needed to be kind of feeding amongst him on his way to to calm and try. And so the other little note, I just wanted to make note of ease. The audio is not great in pods, had to do a little bit of push for auction. But yes, if you can excuse the poor, sound quality. Of this podcast. I think the fact that we get to hear from the great Luke makes up for. So there's one of the little thing that you can enjoy at the end of this podcast, I have a little treat for you. The great Evan Johns who you heard earlier in the season recorded a previously on survivor in his great j. o. b. impression. And I've left that for you guys at the end of the pod carts just as a way to kind of. To enjoy and to say, thank you for all the. And I just feel like there's been a lot of support the season from the listeners, and you guys enjoy a really strong finish to the season and we're in two weeks. Yeah. So enjoy hearing from Luke apologies about the sound enjoy hearing from Evan and I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say about. Thanks IGA. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another week of the survivor Noda's on your hose. Nico, danza, and we are here to discuss all things ustralian civil. And before we get started, I'm just going to give you all a warning. Maybe if if you're listening to this with kids around maybe. Maybe don't because there may be some swears along the way because I would like to now use that opportunity to welcome my guest. This is someone who a lot of you have wanted to hear from. I've wanted to catch up with as well because I had such a great time shot into him last time. He is the king of the jungle himself Louis toki. Afternoon, this news. PG on the thing. See, I was always thinking. One hundred zero percent chance that he. He doesn't swear in the oval and he doing what they would I walk today again, never apologize. Swearing as one commentator said, look, we are glad to have. You can say, whatever you want on this podcast, because everyone is just happy from Matt. I've been good. If you've been what's in oversee, just comeback Disneyland. Jerk. Kids. Big hollow that I'll go to experience which of Jerry by the survivor going to. Thank so it was amazing, chimps. Good. You love Disneyland. What would you favorite rod. A lot. Those a Qasr rod, White House pretty sick. And then those guardians of the galaxy a sound like a big kid. Right. I think I think the secrets, I think everyone knows. You're kidding. I think. The us. You went to Disneyland's going to check. Millie, really good speaking of big kids. You're going to have another kid in your midst. Congratulations night. Just having a baby. Number three. Dan us, I think. I'm gonna go get away. Did you ever think he's ago that you'd be a father of three kids? No way in hell. I see. Yeah. Oh, a lot being a follow on good in final, but I never thought on the the. Out what am on now thirty to thirty one, something like that. And then now got three. So. Minute survivor. Well, any fatherhood tip she'd got you send them my way. Look. You've already sent me a couple in messages over the last couple of months of we want. We want to share those on air, but. Well, look around would love to hear your take on the season before we dive in. I wanted to see what are your thoughts because you know it's not that long ago that you play. This is the lightest season since you played and how you feeling about the status of lava at the moment. Look what I've gathered in heard or hurt. The extra brightens are out from Lhasa, so which is. I can't believe that. I can't believe that more people are watching season three than the which you'll season, which was in large part to you. One of the most entertaining seasons we've ever seen. So yes, the writings have been ugly. What always see, you know, we're still in the early stages as a brand, the industry. So a lot of. I lot bringing the the nineteen. Elvis, maybe has woods. Has been probably massive standouts where you can sit back on all love that character and all that press the win. You know, you've kinda feel like there's a rice with like a whole little horses in their own eyes denies. You know, my sir. Yeah, I'll still think it's been good, but still haven't watched as closely as what we should have because of being very busy. Yeah, look. That you will. You would be such writings poison for the for the show. I like. It was near. Maybe this. When people that actually look. I don't think that's the case against the cat. So look, we've got a lot to get to this way. Some new Sophos started us and I'd love to he'll take on it because you're someone who I think that what what was great about your game? You always just took everything in your stride and you never took it too seriously, but you always found a way to make things work. So there was a lot of new stuff happening this week with the Dead Man Walking his love your take on it. So what was your initial thoughts when Jonathan says those words. It's going to be trouble counts going to be a little bit different this week, and this is what it is. What were your first got got thoughts. All like when he said it was going to be all winning mentioned about the dead men looking wrap the whole audio at Sean gimme. Let us into the mind of Luke tikey because I think it's a pretty scary place. Wait on that. You know, like for him he survived because I said, you're a Dead Man Walking, so they voted him to be dead men walking. That's how it happened by. Yeah. And then he's obviously gone to if code him in the middle of nowhere, those trae mile. And then they've sent him straight to exile and he's come back, immunity, lost me, and then go voter. Got kick in. I'm just wrapping it up. So then I'll go to ROY my head. Because all of lot of watched little bits and then miss things and they're not the kit. Then I had to change it nappy. Is calling. I don't know how it is just yet. This. You. But yeah, I think a think when you're injured on survivor, whether you've got an injured leg oil, you know, like you have already been classified as you'll garner ex-all and the numbers coming back from that. You can't just be like, will maybe char and get the numbers. You need to lock need to law. Why not? Yet promptly creates a law, you know, to swipe and kinda sick that people are gonna like Ghauri like, oh, this thought Steve coming back. If he won that meteorite when you come back, you really really need a shake up. Because when you come back, you just as eve and everyone loves to win. Two numbers are like, that's why no one saved Teague as much as even if those a few that was still even friends with. Bin Laden like an, it's makes me closer to the. They've won higher up on the looting and this even if you move in a bad position, people think like that because they just want to be an little sometimes. Just want the number. Yeah. So you you break in a wife in the pack, sign new that you want to be the top dog. That's you really pushing to to to take the sport, and you wanna be this or not just fall into this. If you get too many people that just want to be a number within, then sometimes you end up. A whole lot of numbers at the end or whatever. So with with the Dead Man, Walking twist specifically like one of the things that we know in Australia and Slava, you need to have these kind of known elimination episodes. This seemed to me like an interesting way to do that so that they can kind of Pat out the episode's odd. I thought it was interesting. I wouldn't want to see it again, but I do think that there was. It was an interesting way to do this. Do you think that the show did this because Teagan wasn't saved all those days ago and then therefore they needed an extra episode? Or do you think that was? This was always on the cards. Now, all of on believed to some degree that the action shore is I have all full matted at before the show starts yet. So then because this I was on fim because you know what we've already planned that was supposed to happen. Might be if Bibey lock on, but maybe they could bring, you know, say for rinse, the dead men will remain early. Oh, could be other where the mainland my what we had a shift certain is, but that dead men will debate apply in the book that was lark in in the game already before it started off still today needed to make necklace. So of course, they will. To lost Audela that would like to have served this like TV you know, it's all about writing. It's all about, you know about and I would love to have maybe a Gill castaway initi- Crosby not exile all suffering that because I'm self a still fuel are. That was it was a good little different because you put on more Nick if you if if one that you would see some great TV 'cause I'll be over there where sticks and stop and really make this our little trial by myself. You. This is one of the questions say you would you Danes to be, you know, the Dead Man Walking. What could you? What would you have done? If you were stage, they've said you'd law to get out of give what, what else could you do if you Steve, in that situation when you've been separated from the and you can come back and say, they've told me that if I get started out in the two one vote, but if loss evolve to within August to choose someone to in well, whatever you get. So easy to believe. And they think that it's, you know, I think I think Steve say, what was your biggest laws on the thing? And he could only mention to, which would just pretty much like voting someone out. I'm being told what with that person said, oh, you made it to not announced that she'll be a slob. The guy? Yeah, that means that you've just been a truce trip tools the whole game. So come back with vengeance spot bushy. Going out, you'll, you can the goes to see a sign that, oh, run back, said Sean. Just told his source Sean, incite onto the bus Ardia. Yes, just not the way he is not who he is the United States and never going to do that. And I think that's why he was maybe a mistake Kosti, but he when I say he could recite because he's Boileau follows to share venture insight. They could be family friends and stuff in the end, his help with chard. Would you probably cost him again, we'll you'd say we're what bring. Know other that he might file up. You can make it fire and do nothing. You know, it's just, but I tell you when trailing savant, sometimes we'll you need. You need a toll card. And I think the biggest thing about this being said about him, he hasn't talked much in then on top of he hasn't laud much United and. If he gets five stars for my shit. My. Does everyone love my sheep. Nicely. Well, so so one of the things, so it's full. Judas having you own at this time that you voted out of the final seven in this is the final step. Sorry to bring that up. But you know, the final seven traditionally is one of the most interesting votes because it's like that swing the full versus the three and stuff like that. I just feel like having the like what you said about having a Dead Man Walking earlier or something like that because I just feel like it robbed us of the really cool vote off, which is the seven. And unfortunately it was you last year that is a time when big things usually occur. We kind of went straight to seeks in a way. Exactly. And I like you could, you know. I walked is definitely differently. These next come blurts could be very predictable. They can be very, or they need something to lot mix auditor by lot. Yeah, I think that the other thing he does is it kinda creates the two episodes will pretty much mirrors of each other. It was the same thing is like, is it going to happen again, like is I'm on a combined gonna stick and verdict Steve again. So that was kind of a little bit boring. Just kind of fed. So someone on Twitter, right? That it kind of fear that disenfranchises the minority kind of just makes them on field it as even less that they can do. I, I was on the pinion. And if you watch the, did you watch the jury villa this week? We've stave having a guy started. The only the only real interesting thing was that it seemed like the jury was like, could not believe that Steve was actually voted asked simply because he was not a threat anymore. And this is what I wanted to talk to you about. It's very clear that they. Wanna get Steve app. Right? And it's very, because that's what Brian wants. Brian seems to be kind of in a good Spall. Arkansas, where run will be the person that makes it to the end, but never wins. And you know that she's folk because he's not doing jury management. Yeah, they he ever so good good on your mic into the second, but you're going to be like that Russell in America where you can make it too far to one hundred tons by you'd never gonna win. Yeah. Unin seeing for him and he's doing karnal not the repay of what look. People lot where you kinda you soak. He's probably so comfortable now where he thinks he can go on the run of immunities and we all believe that we can actually think is he's a big boy is he's oversee Supra coordinated through all the years of footy. And if he goes on the run, we've got an auto in his pocket. He's gonna win all the challenges. He's going to end up in the final and he's going to lose in the form of us how AUSSIE gone them. Yes, you on the I I take your point. I just didn't think he's gonna make it that far. But I do one hundred degree review that he makes it to the end. He's not winning. Sucks. If he does Mike, the end will all be lot. Will you play that pretty well? You've had that Nick lies, you know, you've managed to vote out the gods to be to think that muni I'll be the strongest threat and all the challenges win. All the challenges by the thing is is accurate. Lucky law said, you lose widened brother, you'll at PR. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, he's, he's definitely played really well. Like why better than I thought he was going to play based on how he was playing for the first half of the game. You know, he's, he's, he's on his perfect swing. Three times. He's had a munity twice. He's got an auto keeps the gills on his side like it seems like he's playing a really good game, but is that how you have to? Is that how you have to get far in a strategy and sevada Dunstan playing into the merge? Is that what you have to do? Your will. Now because everyone plays their rowing guy, but auto want to get to the end and lose. Yeah, it'd be nothing worse like nothing worse, just right to the end and moons will still you came sec. You've as far as I'm concerned because you didn't mean. If anything, it probably makes you worse that you're such a good game to some degree and then go to end and lost. Yes. Yeah. Doesn't that make it even worse because you have lock fully underestimated that they're people that student to have like thanking me wrong, that people will pray, shut the game play. But if they generally a think that you're that over. And most sign he isn't it, but it looks like the viewers may be the jury, whatever a not. Sorry, why I've got so many more people in front of you to give the yet all. I'm always bad that game by someone that's really put himself out out there and maybe an crude from the bottom to the top and then knocked back down to the bottom and then curled back to the top lock, I like that store unite. Feel like he can maybe beat Monica, but even that I feel like there are people that are so annoyed him ninth. You Shane, if Shany's on the jury and Brian's at the end, there's no way she's voting nuts, Neta voting. Steaming. Steve's never doing a. And that's, that's your whole trauma. Darlings fat with. So if you're a hotel for things, no way you allies Iraq. You've really shot half your tribe in the food which is as foreign, but you gotta do it in a gracious. Why? Automate some very, and then if then goes, you win in Iowa, unless you're, you've got the gift guide is low at in under start, see it one thing, drinking net. There's any part of him that wanted to just be lost guy. Or or think he wants to definitely get their end maybe the best. But I even that just like joke, he wants to be out of sight out of twelve guys on the season. I was the last mile long last mile. Don't think is necessarily that think that he's trying to position himself. Well, where like if Steve is the early real like physical yet Cal, a guys and he knows if he could take them out within his go up onto goes to contend to you at all of a sudden like the gills shine. The old one is probably you could say, maybe her is the best out of luck than Fanilo than shawny than Monica is in. Like when you put them all together as in LA coordination skills, whatever. But there's always wanted challenge where it's like holding onto a pole. She's going to shoot him in the food unite. You think he's been funny, you eve always provided great comedic. Did you have you been locking what bronze and bring. Level is pretty hilarious. You know, all this large largely. He's white wile. Yeah. Yeah, Arkansas. Aw, Occidental's on the funding his jokes hostage arms Larisa gills obviously farming funny as well. What is in certain people right? Different skews or when you're out there, something realized like a lotta people found Michelle on to be annoying or whatever. I'm really had robbed, but authorities Larry's didn't came. Everyone be locked, but she doesn't do anything about came. I'm not. It doesn't wire me luck. It doesn't worry me that look, if you'll if you'll sabotaging or you being fully lacked annoying. Whatever like, yeah, that's the stuff that could annoy, but all of never been too much phase. If someone grabs ten sticks in someone grabs twenty nine walk. Well, that was a huge deal of night. Look, if you would Shane and that I would. I would definitely vote you off and if you if you didn't kill buddy. Yeah, that's five would polices coming for him in, oh, but I always did not did. And, and for me always. Trying to protect people from people like that because it was cipher instance blue if it wasn't a good from our game, if it was someone that wanted out, we to be like they don't pick up. Someone that wanted trout lot Mark fruit or whatever it within a little alliance or whatever I would be. He can't is. Sticks. Yeah, yeah. So it totally by to how you made to. So if it was someone that was knowing me, I'd be like, I'm so secretive not doing any work. Yeah. And then they'll say, wait a minute, plus we shouldn't matter. Great. I'm gonna just want to talk about a Dead Man Walking his little bit more right? So so I think that there was a huge. There's a couple of huge miss misplace by the the majority, the remnants of the Mighty Ducks, whatever that would call themselves. So Brian and Monica and shawny and Fennell. Now there was some debate about who to put it on, and it seemed like the gals wanted to put it on Shane, but Brian was really pushing to put it on Steve, but it just doesn't make sense to put it on Steve to me. For the me does, don't you think that the right move was to put it on shine because Shane is not going to win immunity, right? So so being Dead Man Walking doesn't stop you from winning immunity. You can still win immunity, right? So if if Steve doesn't win, you'll, he's going to be your target. And that means you've just voted the personnel who in the second travel council is doesn't have avoid. It would have made way more sense to vote out shine. She's going to be there for the next two voids. There's nothing that she can do because she's not going to win immunity and you're not gonna they're out so you can get rid of the other threats and then you can maximize the longevity of getting to two votes with that person doesn't have vote like they're now back to square one. It just seemed really strange human. Sign, look for scientists, even there. There is like amazing for like actually give a mad because on. Early down exactly though old of cut a recital Sean out, because you know if you cut out one of the gills all probably would have gone shine on block. Look night wanted shine. So if take signed by either y, one of them probably steam because then you still sell the staves a big threat in in United and by Keisha buffet between noon grub. I'm what what are you someone Christian offs? This question I have no idea. Maybe. The onset. If shunning was made the Dead Man Walking and she still had the vote, still, would she have been able to use it. If she had the voice too. It would have been interesting. Why not? Yes, that's that says, just because he's Dead Man Walking like you should be out of just Playa while knee site that you know that right. It doesn't site that you're not devoid steel. So just, you know, in the end thumbs up of comes down on the Dead Man Walking. What are you. A lot because the thing is is like you remember, you said Stephen, the person that Ali talks. You know, I'm telling you if all went over there and I had dead men walking. Oh, on a mock more foil on the bait who probably be like twenty foot tall. That be even if they will look in ira- island that would be out of theme. Of on Zula in front of that Lila on come back and I would just be going on my Cup, a lot of say, lock up, ain't even a clue. I get it at this time. Kate me in, you know, and then get the clue and we can turn it will something like that. Like just yet. Yeah, it's good. That's good. I like it. So one of the other things, Luke was Monica. This was like Monica's week the emergence of Monica, Brian. What are your thoughts on Monica sofa all even this week. Oh, jeez. She's coastal out. I think she's had struggle. She's as many up so downs, like some other fires. That's why I'll try to sign a lot of the plies left Howard at many up slowdowns other than by shawny Fanilo. And you know that really had to struggle Encarta Savar properly, you know? Yeah. Auto on auto, I think because having on how many times has learned his name come up. No-one exempt she has has, but he's this. But is that like and this is an age old survive and discussion rot that just because you've coasted through and it's been easy for you? Is that a bad thing because you haven't played or is that a good thing? Because isn't that what you try and do on survivor lock you? That's a good thing of course, but that's sign you can. That's why try to argue that. That's that is a great stretch. It's yet. Yeah. Is it a Greis how you gonna argue that you did anything. Be, then you know, like not like not decide as much, but there was on stage that was our debt or debt had signed strategy as as Monaco is in just be a number. The one term she had to be middle swing Bari. She can say she's emotional valid issues. Now going to be the, the post in the really dishonored someone rather than just someone telling me who to vote, you know. So she had to choose a way and those one, Tom, where debt was the exact same. She was locked all on the middle on August to the side, and then we blonde saw. Always like you. You know, you said, you know, for, for instance, overseeing oughta has said it, but like, you know, she told Sean on with you a hundred percent. And then she obviously told barn on abused. So you know, unless a debt Khanna did instead, she said, will on all my mom on trial. By the way she was always the the is it. I'm happy to just as long as the smoke may and I'll just you just tell me how to vote away to some degree earned. Yeah, and I think this is what people do. Right? They see that like sevada history. Someone like, Sandra, you know, he's won twice is it said people say that she's won because she anyone, but me, but she had y more levels to game than that, and you conscious come in and just say anyone but me like you have to do a little bit more than that. And I don't think that it's gonna work out for Monica because she if she. Does just say that then that's dumbing down her game a little bit because I actually think she's done a lot more than that and audit. Think she's really aware of. The oldest show is going to great lengths to hide what she's doing. Have you felt like her road head voting record is? I think perfect. Every time she is voted correctly. Now you're someone who voted correctly a I, if I ever is that rod you'll ever ever on the ans- answer on alerts three, three. But the thing is like us to fuel lark burden correctly. That's fun. That's what some people think. That's a great thing. If you're voted correctly, but have out Mike push your arm push for something. Yes, it's not as good as being is not as good as being the person at the top, but in. Or incorrectly. While Stu off on the complete opposite of black earning correctly is the most perfect. The strategy in the perfect thing, whatever. I'm like, how about just run the risk of losing but to try to get your personnel? Because I, for instance, yeah, you get it wrong, who then you have to learn how to scramble and see if you can go back and say all of our stuff on this or whatever, like are just like, I understand it's, it's definitely a strategy is a strategy. You know, I think there was one time where just just just have run for yourself. Nightlife yada, get one out that you won't out, you know, for sure. Sure. I think I think that's a really good point. And it's interesting to have the argument because you know, Twitter has been obliged this week with people saying, all moniker is so dumb and Monica doesn't know what she's doing. And then there's the other side of people say, no, no, she's voted correctly. She swung back and forth. Three times always in the majority, always getting out who her and Brian wanted people coming to information. So there's definitely a debate raging, and I think that you have to look at the facts on the table that she is always voting in the rod spoil. It doesn't mean that she's going to get any credit for that because many of the times other than the loss, three, she has just been told what to do. Yeah. And her just flipping over to another saw discount, believe. Saif rinse. Like I just can't believe someone has gone to come together and just let's get rid of the rain. I know. I know it is hot on because you use Lenny. Nate too, but like they're just has to call it way. Point where you get rid of the loop ought to some degree. It really opens up the guy, Tom, so he's, he's what I think about that. I think that Shawn was bitten once and I, I flipped on her then the next time they came back and voted with them. So they kind of empowered to think, okay, that was a one off thing that did their back with us that was for the Dead Man Walking to his after that ought to the Dead Man Walking twist. You should know not to go back to that. Well, like she wasn't going to come back, but she's proven that she's to flip flop e and it seems like in the preview for next week she Sean and that are going to try and get with shawnee and Fennell to overthrow Bryan Bryan Monica that needed to happen at that. They're that needed to happen at the after the dead men walking when Steve went home in my opinion and Sean needed to take that information and say, look, guys vote with us. There's no threat to. Us to you later on because Steve, Stu, convoy, so gets out next week, right? But for Newsweek, let's just get Monica area like it's it's no. Would have been a good way to do it, leverage, leverage effect that he conflict. Yeah. The thing is is like exactly the pot way. You know, the one thing I can call about a guy is is I think he's brought over. They're putting their names on on us alliance today, like bronze gals. Oh, the. The. Anyone can anyone can. I'm losses it like it's such a strong strength in the game because it's nothing better than having a name for launch. Yeah, it can create that feeling like you're part of something. Claim to Sean. Because I just feel like when Sean was like signed to Monica, like of you, everyone thinks you're on. I think you'll smart was so cringe with. Cringe-worthy and and that's why site like Monica's is not not domino. She's very aware what's. She's rethinking. Yeah, I like all just Kate. Like what's the word like humoring. You'll like deep down off your like should have to think that she's just humoring Sean to be like, yeah, on all spotlight. Blah, blah, blah. Because it's such an awkward conversation. You like to sit there and say that other people think you domino think you're very smart Gill. Like it's like, I'm a grown woman. I'm not a seven year old kid for diva. She was trying to kind of peel to her like in insecurities kind of thing. She did stay on embarrassed and stuff. Well, you're completely on the stand that moods Mer and her trying to do that. But I still feel like you're still saying you're dumb, but I think she's embarrassed because she was like on a robbed. She was not science. She's embarrassed because she's dumb. You know what I mean? It means if I told you to starts jot down, a half often starts skating and you landed starting to face your arm embarrassed, but you don't know. Hey, that doesn't mean you dumb. It means you just had shown it signing and you look idiot. How good was look like? She was rafting all the way to like jury villa or something. Probably the best of the whole. Cease going. So. She should start a rafting company. Could get lost. Funny. Like, and then when she was like Carter turn, it felt like Botha hand guy in like that were like, oh, and and the other one's Khanna like going the same way. So they're going guesting. But like in that moment, all my go-to, how upset would you be if you were and like all the cameras, just like what chain you ever on waiting and you can't spin this giant banana ram. It's. It's. McQueen matter in the in the early stages of the game or whatever. If you if someone other than to say, for instance, that was stave or whatever. It wouldn't be funny. It'd be like we need to get rid of him because he shit. The difference Steve's oversea like where she's now that that doesn't even come up because it's more of a numbers guy netted edited benefit. Now it's a benefit to be lost on the on the RAV because neyla I can be heard. It's like, maybe maybe that's what you do. Maybe when you get to the fun, I'd also just like completely stuff up every reward challenge because it doesn't matter. And people will think you're so-so so bad, like do it in the most dramatic fashion so that people aren't worried about you exactly get lost in the book. Exactly that know. They've never never going to worry about you in the in the challenges to where the net class I saw. Look, it's crazy, man. The guy in flips try. Sorry. Hard to a lot of it is locked to some degree, but a lot of it is like he will that aren't able to create opportunities for themselves. Like needs to be out of cry, an opportunity and that. And you only though I you do that is belive. He's writing a law, but I'm still struggling to get that from the season when Benji was like really throwing them out of there. Yeah. And he was maybe doing too many like he fought to me. The. Before we move on from Monica, I just wanted. So what is it? Why, why, though is the showing giving her such a bad edit? I have never seen someone cry, and while they're crying, they're getting the dodo music in the toll like it's usually it's usually like no music all the like sad violins to really kind of emphasize how sad that she was getting like the little ding, symbols and stuff while she was crying and talking about how you know it's hard to hurt people. It's like, what was the show doing this to her look like? What is it. Because I think the show loves a can ugly. Mix it up? Yeah, it makes it up like that gives them gives them something to go is under Slough off. Think that she's getting the patriot of ink. She's getting the edit wishy lands third full. And she hasn't been a standout other than the funny moments. Whereas the bellyflop was to stand up to him. On the belly flop and get raw. Time. I feel like if she was better at articulating hisself than someone said this to me on Twitter, that maybe she would be getting Bitta because she is. She has been in this really good spot for three weeks, two weeks in Iran it, but she thinks she knows how to sell and it's all about. It's a TV show. You're gonna be out of sell what you're doing and the we'll come along on the journey with you. I think she kind of like maybe what you say about peaches, kind of collapsing under the white of the game. And while she's doing the right thing in the game, I don't think she knows how to articulate that. So it's because like you said, yeah, the highlights. What are we going to remember? We're going to remember her getting lost in a big banana and full falling flat on five. Oh, five years? Like assuming cheese, like. She's still barely well on the Mark. I love see side by she hasn't. She hasn't created, you know, might be massive time at other than those moments by she still has. She's done was she's had to going exactly what state did buddy at the, but doing what you have to do, not going that extra. Sometimes why you get those, we'd edits and it can't like you can't hide yourself or you're not yourself. Sorry, you can't like copy disappointed if if you're traveling you're not in not in. Yeah, you given the show anything to work. You need to give them options to which why they're going to go, how they could sell the episode. They could read it as is a guy also TV sees you if you if the the savant you nothing the Gulf war and you come second or they're going to give you nothing. On the automating because you got nothing signed bags. Just feel like Lou is. She comes said, that's what she go. She got that third know and that's, that's what I sees that third on from the beginning that she was my Winnipeg before the show started. I don't know why. At least she still this. And that's one thing about since since the merge is said that she's going to come second people now who is not going to take to the end. And I think that people are going to take it at the end and that she gets zero votes except maybe against the people that hype, if it's her born, it figure grabby through the end. She's going to be, what is it that is that she because if I do tune it's going to be who's Americans you go. Warmer and more on blank right now, rob Russell and Natalie Nedeli not Natalie. What's the look? Those were Sandra poverty, poverty poverty. So she would be the poverty who Russ loop if it's a tune and instead of its grabbing her on my God. No one has Amit compared money. Get a poverty before. Really would because poverty was actually really, really loved playing the game. I think that the better comparison is Natalie that Natalie who went with Russell Russell Brussels, everyone over and then every vote, a phonetically. Yeah, but I'm not signing the end guy. Mom saying that poverty stuck. Why Ross and on k.. That comparison. You buy shoes be, you know who to give it to Russell poverty if it's to give it. So that's what I'm saying. Like if she has chosen to go, that's while in what head Arctic rob in his head, he's like, I'm gonna get rid Steve. I'm gonna split up the gills and then it hopefully plays auto get side, win. The laws challenge the we've Monica, lawn commodity wins. I mean, I could be story. Oh, God on. I think we need that. I feel I get mad Christie lodge from from Monica ready. So I don't know if we need another Christine. We've had one was flying, but we don't need to. So let's talk about just before the second travel council. The plan is going to be a to to to Monica and Brian and Monica, and shawnee and Fennell said they're going to do to to, and then whatever the other two that Sean shine vote for, then they'll do it on a river, and it worked out really well, but you can send that that was opening the door for Monica to flip, and that three vote was then going to be enough. Yeah, that's definitely a chance for happening, but it didn't. I just felt you've got to be happy with, you know, that's how confident he is pretty really wasn't confident because he sent schone goes splashdown her. And when she comes back for the Bush's, not all we would just getting changed. Is there any merit in this idea like you told me run? Is there any mirror in Bryan in that moment is feeling knock right about Monica and she wants switch. You don't want to give her that opening with the two, two, two. So we tell Monica that we're voting for Steve. And instead you Fennell at Brian vanilla and shawny over if you're Sean. And in the three one of will still be taught. Yeah, that's true. That was tricky. Off, think like personally, all to just put all the numbers, probably on one person. All like a lot of sometimes I do wanna risk of for the the auto and stuff, but is is sometimes stuff as long one. Like you are very risky player. I think that's in a lot of these people's ruled playbook. Yeah, sometimes splitting that can be more riskier than, yeah, I guess that's what we're saying that it's is. It is pretty risky as well. So that's why I'm just like look about all of us because then then what it does is when you start splitting at all, that's when are coming. You know what I mean? You know what? That's just say. You join. Exactly. You know, or test or whatever. You know what I mean? I think that the weed thing about this was that Sean in her pitch to Monica. I think that Sean calculated wrong. She goes to Monica. Lew. Brian's plan is to get rid of Steve, then get rid of Shane, then get rid of me. You're basically telling Monica that if you stick with Brian, you're going to the top four is like you're not incentivizing her to come with you. Oh, completely. And that's why our say from episode, the biggest like folk that they have. Like you how, how some people don't want to law will you? You had a perfect truth to come back and sit there and throw grab onto the boss while saying, we had a chat to him and said, you're gonna vote out. Are you gonna vote out Steven? He goes, yes. I'm gonna vote out Stephen than we asked about the goals and we told him about us to and he said, start wire on voting next. Yeah. So you can easily start grab on Taiwan about what does that what you said? You know? Well, I'm just repeating what he said, you know, and then you don't have to lie just pretty much just trying to under the bus sign that he's planning on. Split news up next next. Okay. So one of the things I thought was interesting is. Again, another full of harebrained schemes this week. I don't know why. I think I was just trying to make it more exciting than maybe it was drinking. There was any sense that Brian could have would have played if he really thought that Monica was no longer with them. Dragon, he would've ever played his auto on vanilla. Why hell that to harebrained scheme. No wife. Again, there's there's no way you'd risk it. You'd give got lots how many, how many times can you hold it for now? Two more terms. Yeah, exactly. Would you ever play audible and someone else Lou fool, you know, may probably could. And would. I'll probably would be honest like by, that's that's may just like you. Being like enjoying myself out there. Do one of the one of the questions, and I think I asked you this, maybe daytime, like, do you do you feel like the pressure of playing the game, or do you kind of go whatever works works and what doesn't doesn't like, and if it'll blows up in my face, then big deal or do you, do you actually feel the pressure of the game or is that really how you approach it like, oh, well. Audit feel the pressure of the game all on. My in my other sit there and guide like you might after the guy like damn. In the in the heat of the moment on just like in China, enjoy myself rather than because that's really when you leave the guy when you come sick or you come, I will you come force whatever you want to be out to go one, join it rather than men. I've come back bold. I agree. I agree from space you on. I definitely feel like I tried to straddle that line of stressing out too much, but also just go. And do you know I'm playing survivor. I'm going to swing for the fences and I tried that and sometimes it works. Sometimes it didn't, and I feel like that's what some some of the players in this season have been doing, and it's made them really memorable and greatly parts of the show. And it's worked out in some regards, but I feel like a lot of people have been afraid to do that. But regardless the season has worked out in a way that it's been pretty interesting, so I can't blame it too much. Yeah, one of the things that a lot of people go in Nick is not about this week was the sanctimony of the. Do you wanna just explain what's happening in the background for the listeners so that can exert. It sounds like you're building until Pedo. So. Got the Mexi making. Now, I think funny. Alexa catching trying that Luke is as graciously slid us slid us in on his commuter works. If you're hearing. Doodo. So funny like measured if I like like something happens a little, try that like anymore. Like like a crash, you'll it got stuck in under a tunnel or something. Yeah. Or someone tries rub me or so. Well, you've got you have thousands of listeners who can be your witness if you need a religious police reporter. So a lot of people were saying it was very sanctimonious the way that shine and Sean were behaving and they were kind of talking about them as the good guys, and it was very kind of being Shane's like biggest fan this whole season. And I think that Sean is going to win, and I'll be very happy with Sean win. But I do feel like that they were kind of strutting that lawn between, you know, that kind of season one mateship that got a lot of people's noses out of joint and a lot of people like you better talk about this this week. Did it kind of did it kind of did you think of that while while you were watching it in terms of them saying Brian, such Eliah and Brian is such a cheetah, and it's like, that's what everyone's doing. Did that kind of come up to you if anyone can kind of relate to? This is probably you know, Incas you all the snake right. Man, screw the good God while act. If anything, anyone who's that cod, I actually go completely guide style like all time. Think a laugh at that way. And then kinda love to say that personnel to be us. Because if you're going to sit there and side, we're good and they're bad, like oil guy on the mainland, get him out. If you can, you know, you hadn't probably thousand chances to get him out, but you never did. It just seems crazy to me that they did the same thing to Lydia and now and now this. Yeah, engine oil, if you if you didn't like me that loan or whatever, and he's so knowing, well, why didn't you get him out earlier? Gave him out when he got a chance, but you chose to choose the Nydia because she was strong, but now he's a mowing, so he's needs to go. I saw whatever, whatever, really searching. That's why went Sean says it. She goes real. I really need to voice. We've me for her guy and my day in here. Yeah, it was. I mainly really feel see when Brian said that he was the king of the jungle. How did that make you? Did you hear that or not. At least that is when when did he say that? He said it in the second episode. So each come as coming. He's coming for your crown leaf. Oh God, God. The king, the king who saw. King of the. While sounds he at least he didn't try untrimmed his lands manscaping cell phone on on TV. In. Around this time that we award the dandy. So this is the three points to the best player. The two points to the to the second fire one point to the therapist player. So you know, it's been a pretty close race between Sean SRI between Benji and Matt this whole game, but they're out now and now we've go Sean who's kind of bubbling away at the top of the pile. But a few people who have the capacity to catch it of the three people. All the people who votes to give me your three votes. So only one three later. All into a bar. Yeah, me too. I think. So what what? Why? Why? Brian this week. Because a is as put a name on his Lawrence grabby skills. He's obviously an in law from them earn stuffing shunning somehow, you know, you being super talk with someone from a different Trow is is what linked to apply. You know, you need to find the connections across trou- across the champions contenders between cares anymore. And my only because he's gone out in the last man. That's what he wanted to do. So he wanted to do that and did it. So what about your two points? Because I'm going to give mine to Monica. She feel like you know, for we spoken a lot about what she how she might not the way to the end probably. But I do think she has done a lot of good and a lot of people played pretty poorly this week. I think that Monica is also a really good liar like she looks people straight away and says, one hundred percent hundred percent. So I'm going to get much you go, it's Monica. What about you. Allwood give more onto its oil automotive. Ostensibly thing that she probably deserves invite ninety one, but I still feel the Shula and Sonoda. Sanal off. Okay. So who you give him to give it to go Leyla or like, what should I. One, eight of the two Shaw. You can make the rusoff. That's fine one to them and they want to Monica. So what does it mean Fennell and Fennell and showing you that you think has been. Was worthy of the the point is. Well, they're both student? Yes. I been knowing that they're like glued and not one time as as dawn on anyone's split. And what about your one point? You said Monica. Okay. Well, I'm gonna give him at one point to show any because I think that you know, she wasn't the target and Fennell was, and I think is because of her social capital. And again, so I'm gonna go one point, two, shawnee. So as the as the numbers in do, it's definitely got a bit of a playing field opening up here, so that's good. I know that you know, you're busy on you either work, but I've got a couple of questions that I'd love to see from the from the listens if you'd love to honor to them for us. Have you been doing any creeping in the bushes, lightly. That's from like I thought stock or even. Yes, I've LeMoyne Jason wants to ask if you, if Luke who is the king or Queen of the jungle, this seasons out of everyone try with king of the giant our side. Well, you Benji. Outside him, dozens aid manage to like doing new. His incurred like all, which is a scientist on grade, and then he managed to like get off the first two or three. Mike's, yes, he's and the Queen would have to be. For me. Starting. Love shine. Queens shine is I'm all set. Say show asked, would you be willing to play again for old-style season. And what would you change in your strategy? Because these apparent in question Luke because I don't know if you saw there was a poll on the Estrela and saliva superfan group of all the pas poss- players and Luke, you sitting very clearly at the top with nearly full hundred votes of the person that everyone would like to see back. Did you see this. So I kinda like super oughta know Luke, thanks everyone. As far as you want wants to see me that if I was going to play a game on, or you know if I'm was like you set goals for yourself and started the guy as on trying to do that and get set of dolls, and to see how they. No. So our award on June curry, Ernest, Ernest, Nick, comes back. Stays. Think you on your own. Jonathan Lilia says, would you want Indian food as a reward. It will go straight for you yet. Grubbies pants are going to get a little bit grubbier. Oh man. Yeah, that's like veggies. Vanni ground. After Indian fade? Yeah. And Christian says, shooed exile have had some advantage to trust shake up the game. So you've said already that exile and you can lie and come up with your own advantage, but do you think the show should have made it that there was an immunity auto clue out there or something. I think there should be selling there. Even if it's like. Something like on like something bad you have to do while you're there, say you say, okay, you already struggling out there, but we're gonna make you really struggle out there. You can choose to really struggle like to the point where you break up and you then get reward United Site. It'll take down to depths of like whether you have to eight like a wiles surprise. Struggle. You like all mad audit. All of that Cade on Wales pain in. Comedy dance. Of rivers that lot would test your, how much do you want to win the guy on the way? Oh, pain is strategy. I know. I know. Well, I know. This mute. If like you did it and the the, the actual war was like. Right. Just appeal of you. God. Oh my God. Well, league last question. Last question, you know, you've just come back from his trip from from Disneyland. Who from these cars would you bring with you on a trip to Disneyland? Oh. Hurry Sime because she's old and I don't know if he's done it. So if you're not old, you could be have many years in your loss in could be lot. You know. You know, everyone come with head on why you wanna bring Shane, right? Because you Huby like the mother that holds the bags while you get to go on all the rides. Got those live big swimming, sold old, a little bag. Leaker live. Why is it? Why is it? This was actually a question from from Jason gates. It was the same. Same question. He asked the Disneyland question. Why is it that you can get away with saying things that any other survival, any other person could never get away? And I'm sure you know that you have this ability just seems like the reaction to you saying things like my first instinct is the law. But if someone else said, I'll probably be a lot. That's so dumb. What, why tell me tell me how you have made that happen because if you could bottle that I think you'd be in a really, really good position. So what is it that you, how do you, how do you do. Look at it comes, it comes with like you want to learn more secret potion. Now I'm on my artist are. I could never replicate it if I tried. So there's no me trying to steal your secrets to do. I think everyone's going to be in United States every everything. Everything has its moment. You need to know how you can push it and then what I'll try to size. I'll take payment to the edge of the cliff and and then I'll bring him back in Iowa or whatever, like you just have to type in need to. That it all comes from a place of like on, like there's never, there's never any like that and ten. All members sign joy about someone else I fly. So just for pure Huma and because all I, I'm gonna good Tong. Luke, I, if you could ever run a call one day, I'll gladly sewing up. I think I could get away with a lot more work than I currently do. So. Go on Louis. That brings us to the end of the podcast. Thank you so much. I know that you are clearly in-transit to to work. It's not easy to kind of like the giving up your time, especially how busy you are coming back for American kids in everything. I know that the listeners really appreciate it. We need the people trying to create turn. I'm sure they tell you kids to be caught doing. Is this the people that are going to mug? You'll this the judge? Okay. Well, we need we. We didn't hashtag for this episode and on. I think we can go past Wales. Comedy names. Males pain is is going to be one of the most terrific hashtags we have ever had on this show, and I think it's appropriate. I think it's appropriate. Go to for having us. Where can people find you on social media to keep up with you? It's really different tack. What is original Urgel tag. It's taking on a year. So this is on instead, have you ever thought about joining Twitter. No, I haven't got enough social media. Instagram keeps me busy busy enough. Luke, thank you so much. I'll let you get back to getting mugged and if if we don't hear from, you will know that this was the last train ride you ever took. And I'm glad that you shared it with all of us is good luck to their mining, I think is six people in the guy if you listen or whatever. Awesome. Choose from this Asian or I might catch right up. Off his. Survivor of the back of finding these easiest live of Ryan Macy's move the alliance of four continue reference the muddy ducks forgetting that the ducks actually sucked until Amelia west of his turned up newsflash Emilio on the island. There's something new Shane plays. The angry old lady role, Monica struggles with being beautiful and entitled, just like in high school when she had to choose between which group of friends she had to be friends with Steven, Shane Bond, Jesus. This doesn't look good. Why we're hearing from save all of a sudden schone wins immunity by standing for twenty minutes. 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Survivor 40 Episode 9 Recap with Andrea Boehlke

Rob Has a Podcast

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Survivor 40 Episode 9 Recap with Andrea Boehlke

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And don't forget about the Promo Code. Podcast one all one word for your one hundred percent sign up bonus bet online your online sportsbook. Experts live from my apartment. It's rob has a podcast a now. Here's the guy who's going to make sure to nail everything down around here before Adam Klein comes back in the studio. I am Rob Sister. Nino everybody welcome back to rob as a podcast. We got a good one for you today. We've got Andrea Belqis. Three times survivor Miss Survivor. She'll be here from people now. Ready and excited to talk with Andrea. Today on the PODCASTS. Of course we had a spirited survivor. Know it alls last night talking about everything from a Wild episode of survivor going to try to make sense even a little bit more today. When we get into everything with Andrea Bulky on the podcasts of course This weekend. We got another good one coming up. Hannah Shapiro is going to be back not in the studio this time sadly last time she was here she got into the five timers club. Five seasons in a row since millennials versus gen-x. Here with me in the studio we will be over skype for the first time doing our podcast. Get your feedback questions in for Hannah on Saturday. Rob's website com slash voicemail. Three two three two eight to our a J P for that plus. We've still got everything coming up with this week in survivor. Angie concert will be. Our guest will update the character types. How they're doing so far this season. Of course don't forget to get your wand off saying for the wiggle room coming up on Monday. I really am very excited to bring our guest on today as we are always thrilled when we get to talk to this three time survivor great. She's joining us from back home on the ranch. The host of people now Great Andrew Balcony Andrew. How are you? How love thank you so much for having me? I love that you call it a ranch. I've never form. Yeah Yeah in in in Wisconsin and the Midwest. It's a farm. I think that you probably got the ranch thing from Stephen. Right he always calls it around. I don't get anything from him. I don't get any for him. He but he's been so impressed. Both your litter of puppies and then a lot of people don't know this about Stephen. That puppies are his. Uh soft spot. Now your your dog that gave birth. What what kind of dog is that? It's a yellow lab. You'll laugh. He's IT's close to a golden retriever. Though that's his absolute favorite okay. So some resemblance. There's a golden retriever. It's been such a tree to have puppies here and a Lotta people actually have been talking about it. Dalton Ross who doesn't really liked dogs and more of a cat person even he has been invested in these puppies but the crazy thing is when I got here. Because I've been in Wisconsin. Oh Man I think it's been three and a half weeks now maybe going on four and I've lost all track of time but they didn't have they didn't have their eyes open. They barely moved. And now they're just growing up there little ferocious these time this quarantines over they're going to be full on Doghouse. Dog does like all of us. How many dogs were in the litter? They're seven and are all girls except for one. Oh okay while but that's that's great instant content so we've all been enjoying seeing that. How's everything else with being back home for all this extended period of time? I mean I'm happy to be home just because I got out right before. Everything got crazy and it was honestly the day after I left and came to Wisconsin that. Everything's shut down so I felt like I got out at a time. That was because you know how it is. It's really tricky to travel right now. And so I got out of their quarantine at home and then now it spent enough time where I feel really healthy families healthy and happy to be out of the city and I live by myself in New York City and I honestly think of women say I'm an extrovert and I would have lost my mind and so I'm having to be around other people just for my sanity and being on being on a farm is really great because like riding horses and play with the pups and it's been good to have a lot of stuff to do but you went home and obviously he didn't expect to be there for that long are you like. Is it like being on survivor? Do you just have like basically like one suitcase with you of like and you have none of your stuff. I didn't bring anything honestly. Okay so I'm not I'm not even kidding. I decided I was going to come home and I bought a flight that day for a couple of hours later. I thought I was going to be here for a week to just and then go back to New York now. I have two younger sisters who have some close here. We're about the same size so I usually just wear their clothes anyway but turns out. I'm probably going to be here for another few mine. And so I've been wearing all my sister's clothes there all pissed at me because I can't find their shirts because I have to wear clothes for my show which I'm doing on zoom. I honestly came with absolutely nothing. No it's this is my sister. Charlotte shot right now. Okay so it's nice to know that you're safe and sound that everybody is doing okay over there and really glad that you were able to make some time for us and the weird thing about that. We podcast so many times that I feel like the ipod with you more from your parents house than from you being in New York and you've lived in New York for what eight years I've been in New York almost a decade which is crazy and because I moved out there when I was twenty one. But you're right. I feel like the last three times. Podcast I was here in Wisconsin in this room. Okay so I see you like the live show in New York or either than we do a call at your parents house. Yeah I mean at least this time I have. You can't see it but I'm speaking into a love. Microphone setup there now. Yeah because we're doing our show from here so work sent me some equipment have a ring light moving up because last time we pass it. I know that we couldn't use your option. Abc Yes my wife. I was on the phone last time. It's fine it worked for Howard stern and Tom Brady so we can make it work for us too. So let me get your take on everything. That's going on with survivor. For the winners at war you enjoying season forty so far. I'm loving it. It's so fun. I was worried because not the biggest fan of as of extinction whenever. I say that I have rain coming after me on twitter but I think it works for the season because you get to see a lot of those old school players love on the edge and so I just think it's great. I mean especially after last season. This season has been so fun to watch my few like. It hasn't been that nasty of the game. It's actually been very funny at times. So I've had a blast watching it and now that we're all on lockdown. I feel like a true true survivor fan. Because I really only have Wednesdays to look to the past like of course watching live. Cut Ya busy or maybe. I was going out on a Wednesday but now like oh my gosh. I can't wait for Wednesday. You really have seen it all in your three times out on survivor. I think a Lotta people probably forget that you are a person who is a redemption island return even for somebody. Who's out of the game and came back in? Do you feel like that. Redemption island has anything over the edge of extinction. I I do think so. Because the thing about redemption island was you had a really work hard to stay in the game like Mat L. Rod one so many tools in a row and got back in the game and at the edge so just kinda chilling and then there's one random challenge that they have to get back in and I didn't even like the challenge that they had to get back at. You know what I mean like. It's got to be something that combines a ton of elements. Can you just happened to be good at that sort of whatever that's called that's called the challenge that they had a snake maze? Yeah snake maze thing. Whatever that is so I think that redemption at least you had to keep winning and then if you go back in wow will you want. Eleven duels naturally impressive. Yeah I just think that has some kings that needs to be worked out. Yeah and with Rhode Island you know you had to win dual after Dole to stay there and I think that's been one of the complaints that people have had about this season. Where somebody like Natalie? Who's the first person who has like the most chances to accumulate? The Fire Tokens and actually one of the better. Chances TO GET BACK. In as opposed to you'll who gets voted out and then has to then go into the challenge with no advantages because he got voted out right before they had the challenge. Yeah and I would like to see a challenge where everyone has an equal shot. Because we're watching all these legends tried to get back in the game and then you know. Some people have an extra advantage. I don't know it gets a little convoluted I think but I'm also at my old school. I feel like I'm a little or no. I think I actually am old school. But I really don't like all the twists. The fire tokens and all of the random things. Because I can't keep it straight and I kind of. It's like a little too much for me. It's it's a little too much and that all of these ideas might even be like. You could sort of wrap your head around if we had like a three hour episode where we could really sort of understand what's going on but just it's it's fast. It's like it's like we're just you know trying to absorb everything so quickly that nothing is making sense in terms of what's going on but I wanted to get your take on this tribal council which we got to last night where it as. Adams said before council everything turns chaos and we saw where everything was going on at the tribal council and I wanted to know in your experience. Five or game changers. Did you ever experience anything that was close to this in terms of like with this very fast gameplay where everybody is talking in the target is shifting so much not as much. I feel like for some reason. I've I haven't been on seasons. That were shifting that much a tribal council. I feel like I really miss out because I watched it and I have foam all like man. Why can't I be on a season? That's actually live at tribal council. I mean I'm trying to think though like did you ever have times where he was that frantic where things were changing around so much right before tribal council. Yeah definitely I mean in a weird way. I actually had more of that on Camera Mohan because care. Moen I was more in charge with John Cochran. And so there's a lot of times where I actually. I switched a vote last second on. Komo and where it was supposed to be. We're going to blindside Malcolm But Malcolm had the idol and I got that was the episode where there's the scene with Eddie in me and I'm trying to get information out of him and doing these puppy dog eyes and trying to work it and Eddie actually spills that there's an idol and I'm the target and I freaked out and I changed the boat last minute honestly right before. We're on lockdown at the council on. No no no. This is where we actually took out Smell like now. Yeah and so I- last minute changed. Its Michael Snow because I was worried. That if Malcolm played an idol it would be me. Everyone on my tribe. Didn't WanNa do it and this was so last minute. The producers did not want me to do it. I thought you were GonNa make big moves Andhra. Don't you want to go for the target? The the big threat so meeting Malcolm because they wanted Malcolm into play the idol and me to go home because it's a better move the NAS going for snowy so I changed it last minute and it was. The freak is scariest moment ever on that season because we did it right before we went to council and then I was right and that was the time where it was. Honestly it was. It could have went either way and everyone is mad at me and I decided to go with the saver. Vote which then saved me game. Changers was actually more. Cagey and Jeff. Keep saying this season is cagey and it's not cagey because this season people are actually throwing names out there. They're confronting people but on game changers. No one would ever say a name off to someone and say oh. Who Do you think they're like? I don't know I'm just kind of hoping we win. Okay era decide later and so game. Changers is actually really really cagey. So how did anything ultimately then get decided on game changer that nobody was talking to anybody? People just only talking to their person and not so much with a big group. Yeah I mean it I guess you talk with like your group your little alliance. It wasn't so much I mean game. Changers still had the two different sides. So there was the Debbie in the Brad and Detroit and I guess Sarah was between so I knew what my sort of group was going to do and then there was the other side and there was no kind of going back in between like I had no conversations with Brad or Troy Zan or Sarrakhs didn't tr two separated but with anyone on that side because I didn't trust them at all though it all those also Sierra as well and so it was just different and I kind of wish. I was on a season where everyone talked to everyone. And you had chances to be in alliances with people all across the tri because it seems like that's what this season is and there's definitely more movement game changers. We're kind of stuck in these majority kind of alliance. Would you say that this season is maybe more like caramel and of the three seasons? That you've played where it's sort of like that. There's like seven or eight people that are all together sort of like deciding what's going to happen and then really the only people that seem to be on the bottom are the nick and Michelle Adam. It seems like it. Yeah I think right now. It seems that a lot of people are really getting along except for. Whoever is on the outs but I think that that will probably change pretty quickly here. Yeah can you help me try to understand what we saw last night? In terms of everything getting so chaotic and then all of the movement at Tribal Council where that it seemed like that there was a plan for Adam but I'm not sure what the other plans were. And how many of them were like real plans? I don't know I mean I really do think that everyone in the majority knew that they were safe so they were all just trying to stick to one plan and then go with it but then everyone else was freaking out because everyone had different ideas and so they changed it so many times It was it was really hard to follow. It was very hard to follow and you know I watched it again this afternoon to try to figure out what I could see to make sense of it and you know it really was tricky because we don't there's so much that we don't know. Do you suspect that that you know that these things were changing very late where we saw a lot of like the last twenty minutes before tribal council as opposed to where things have been going back and forth for the whole final day before the vote. I if I had a gas. It almost seems like this was happening later in the day. 'cause that's why it was so frantic on. Komo and we had a day where I think it was when Francesco went home so really early I vote and I just remember. It was a similar thing. That's where you go up to one or two people and then you say okay we're GonNa go at a gay then you'd go to another group. They said another person you go back to the original group and they say different person. You're like what's going on and so you have to keep moving because you don't want to be involved in the group that says your name so that kind of seems like it was happening but it was probably happening right before tribal council and everyone was freaking out because they just wanted to make sure that they were in on the actual plan. Yeah that's what I think. Also because then I think that then they went tribal council and people were still like. I don't know what's going on. And there was a lot of talking and whispering in terms of what was going on. And you know it's hard because even in the edit. We don't even know if things are happening in the right order in terms of what we're seeing in terms of how it went down but in watching it again that we see denise. Come to a talk to Kim and say Sarah which was the name that Adam was saying. And I'm wondering if maybe this is telling me that denise and Jeremy were may lower on the totem pole in terms of they weren't part of the original Decarlo group where that they were from the original sell a tribe and I'm wondering if maybe that they were sort of approach by atom because they weren't part of the main plan that was deciding who was going to be like. We see people like Tony and Kim a Tyson and Sarah and they're all talking about what the plan is going to be. But I feel like that. Maybe Jeremy and denise might be like a wrong underneath like the bigger group in that alliance it kind of seems like that especially denise because last week we saw everyone just talking about how they were kind of wanting to target her and so I think she's probably not going to have much longer in the game if I had to guess so I think you're right I think she. Jeremy probably seem a little bit lower than everyone else and then you saw. Jeremy with all his different faces every time they brought someone else which I thought was so funny. Edit was great so. Jeremy seemed like he was just like sitting on the park bench and then he would be surprised every time he heard a different name. I know and all of a sudden Thais it. Why isn't more people targeting Tyson? That's a great question and it definitely did start to come up and I thought that I was wondering whether or not like Tyson. Be just like a total decoy. Where our nick or Adam throwing? Tyson's name but I saw like I was trying to watch because every time you saw atom or Michelle. Or Nick in the conversation. I'm like well I have to take with a grain of salt. Because they might just be throwing them a decoy name in terms of what they're saying. But I saw in one of the conversations Sarah and Sophie to people that you know very well Andrea. They were saying Sarah says to Sophie. Hey I wouldn't mind seeing Tyson. Go home on this boat which makes me think those people with a lot of power in the game that maybe Tyson's name really was on the chopping block. Yeah I guess. I'm surprised that it Tyson's name was brought up. That more people wouldn't jump on board however you know that Kim and Tyson are closed so maybe Tyson does have friends still in the game and he does have some protection. Because I think what was happening as someone would bring up a name and then it would try to go around to all the little mini groups. And then it'd be blocked by someone and then that person would suggest another name and then we'll go backgrounds to the mini groups and no one could get on the same page because they were all talking in twos in three. So I want to bring in questions from the listeners. As we're going through some of this stuff Stan mccutchen wants to ask you. In Redemption Island Matt Aka White. Nash was voted out right as soon as he got back in the game. Do you think the contestants this season will regret not doing the same thing to Tyson. I mean obviously in wins. They're going to regret it by vote. Whoever comes in right back out? I think that there's bigger threats to win the game then Tyson. So it's a much different season you know. I think that Tony Jeremy They're much bigger threats than Tyson. I just don't think that it's a different situation where Matt elrod would have be anyone there. Yeah is that because that he sort of had bonds with everybody from redemption island or it was impressive that he won all of those duels. Definitely both yeah. I mean at that point when he first got back in. It was pre- Jerry but he was so impressive. And you know. He's this lovable guy. That just had a really rough go at it. Okay let me ask you about Adam. Just a little bit in terms of his scrambling. Would you make of atoms last stand last night? Look I love Adam. I know that some people maybe aren't as big a fans as they were the first season this time. Because I don't know are you Adam? Adam is the nicest guy and we. We've gotten on like different thing moves that he's made but he is the sweetest person in this. You know in in the survivor community. May maybe outside of you Andrea the nicest the nicest person that there is just saying that because you were here but is Adam is such a such a like a Nice Person. He would give you the shirt off his back. He plays hard and he wears his heart on his sleeve. And just like I don't know how people could not like like okay because you don't think he's the greatest player that's fine but such a likable person. Well it's so interesting when you're watching a season where you know so many of the people I I don't Adam he can do no wrong in my eyes no. It doesn't matter if he is going off the deep end or doing crazy things. I'm always going to be like. Oh I love Adam. Just because he is like you said the sweetest person. Like top-five nicest survivors. I've ever met love him dearly. Voice No oh no. I'll she do a podcast about one day. That'll be my last podcast. GonNa go out on that one. You can really go in onside but he would. I really think he would give just about anybody who needed something he would give it to you. That he is just the nicest guy and he has so much exuberance and I understand why that rub people the wrong way I think is an age divide also that well you know. We've talked about the old school versus new school and the old school is gone but the three youngest players. If I if I have this correct are the three players that are on the bottom that it does seem like that Survivors that are sort of like the thirty. Plus players have sort of like okay. We've organized where like the adults and kids. You guys sit at the kids table now. You're not really part of this. Yeah I didn't realize the age difference there. But you're right because Nick Michelle and atom Wendell who is a little bit older like like more of like a youthful personality not to shade all of my all my friends who are my contemporaries who are on survivor but there really is kind of an age gap between. I don't know who's the oldest of that group I feel like that maybe atom. It's twenty eight or nine but then I think there's probably like a ten year age difference between him and the next oldest person that's on season. Well I and I actually love that that it skews older because when I I remember I. I did survivors. Twenty one twenty three the nose twenty seven. I actually wish that I would have played survivor the age. I wasn't game changers twenty-seven because I just I don't think at Twenty One and twenty three you. It doesn't count rosenstone count. I wish I would have been a little older when I started. But then now you know some of these seasons are really young like I remember when I went out for a ghost islands and everyone was twenty two. I was like Oh my gosh. I'm way past my prime here on survivor. And so it's nice to see a season. Where does skew a little older than going back to Adam? I you know not only is he. Is We person? But I like his passion. And he's so smart and observance and washing him at tribal council. I was truly rooting for him. I mean I went through this range of emotions when I found out he might go and get the idle because I I felt so bad for him. Nick's clearly everyone was voting for him and then my whole family is watching and as soon as soon as he's going to read the votes. Jeff and Adam goes up there we also screaming get the idol and then of course it was. Just you feel real Batman also fact checking myself live as where as we're doing this of course. Sophie is actually only thirty but she sorta the off with all the other people that are all the married people that have Families and Sophie is the one person who's with that group who is the out liar where it does seem like the other. Three people who are on the bottom are sort of that. The kids table Yes. Sophie is on the thirty. She's very mature. Very mature. How old is Nick Wilson? He's twenty nine. He's twenty nine and Sara is thirty six. I think if I'm going and the Michelle Twenty nine okay. So it's still begun guest. Yes so if he's in there too. yeah And then Ben I think is thirty seven but the rest of that group outside so fee. They're all the people that are married. There are the people that have a family and so I think that a little bit of a disconnect with their with their was the group of people that have a lot in common and then there are the people who are sort of like a more on the out so they have a different life and maybe like a different sensibility about them. Yeah if you went back on survivor. Is that your life now? I I would get along with with that group. I think that I'd probably be more with like I definitely would be the old guy. If I was on a season with the twenty-somethings they'd be like this guy is one hundred years old. I'm not gonNA talk to him. I mean even for me if I ever play survivor again. I'm going to be one of the older ones which is so insane to me because my whole life I've been one of the younger ones survivor. And then it's Kinda switched and now that I'm in my thirties. Mike Oh my Gosh. I replayed again. I'm an old GEEZER. I don't think so. I mean you're thirty one. I'm I'm turning thirty one and may okay all right so I think you're still. Medic is still got a lot of time. You'll be old school. That's that'll be your problem. Yeah which is I like old school. Yeah I mean it's going to be now. What next is it? Next year is going to be ten year anniversary of Redemption Island. Yeah how will survivor commemorate the ten year anniversary of Redemption Island? Well it was one of the best season so I think that they're going to go all out. Yeah to be so great so bring. Bring Boston Rob Back. And actually it'll be three seasons in a row back. Yeah I mean it was a season of a Lotta moves in hands. A lot of really a lot of risk takers. You know shaking things up the whole cast of game changers all right. Speaking of game changers. I really WANNA talk with. You about Sarah. I'm really very interested in in her. Say it's nothing against okay. I don't WanNa totally disregarded island past. Everyone knows I always self deprecating about myself so I don't want all the redemption island. Psi. Who is listening to this podcast? You're probably not readily Ralph Kaiser House. Yeah Cram does so. I WanNa Talk. With you about Sarah. I'm very interested in hearing your power because you know I think back to some of our past conversations and spoke last season and we were talking about Things that were from game changes and you were talking about Sarah and your relationship with her and how she is such a great job of developing these personal relationships and then there were so many of you that were in that game. I thought Sarah was my best friend and then I don't I don't even know if she liked me and we saw this move last night where Sarah seemingly out of nowhere said Jeff. I'd like to give up my spot at the reward to nick and was. Oh this is this is odd. This is unusual and there were definitely eyebrows raised in the game. We saw Adam talk about. I don't trust Sarah as far as I can throw her and I can't even throw very far. Jeremy thought that that was weird. Tony thought she got caught up in the moment So I WANNA get your take but Sarah told us and I don't know why she would lie to us. And confessional. No this was a human moment. So what did you make of all of this? This is so weird for me because to me. Sarah is one of the most dangerous survivor players because she convinced every single person on our tribe that we were best friends there that they were best friends with her. Every single. One of US thought that we were Sarah's number one and I'm not I'm not even joking Ponderosa and I told this last time but it's just so crazy because I thought Sarah's best friend Zeke thought. Sarah was his his best friend. Ozzy Thought Sarah Thought I mean she tricked an entire tribe and none of us. Are you know going and having tailgates in Isla right now I mean she completely bamboozles all of us I just think after playing with a few winners though I just Sarah is so dangerous. And she's so scary to play with 'cause she's so good so I believe her watching her do that and it was just so weird. Because I don't understand I'm actually still really at a loss for words because I don't know why Sarah who I look up to is like this amazing survivor player would make such a bad move and the only thing I thought about was. Is it possible that because game changer is she got an edit that maybe wasn't the most likeable and the fan reaction was that they didn't really like her that much Maybe subconsciously she was trying to bring out some of the more human moments of herself and human aspects of herself. And maybe was that something kind of for the edit. Is that sound like a theory? You get the sense that she cares about stuff like that. Because I don't really feel like she does but I don't know I don't understand why else she would do that. Sarah Lena who's ruthless when she just have a moment of feeling for somebody and who doesn't even want to Pare Back. He wants to voter out next. Yeah and I. I don't know for sure that I think that there was some talk that she was even one of the people. That voted for nick at that. Tribal Councils Nick got two votes. Were not I'll look on the WIKI and see if they have that information yet but it looks like that she might have even been one of the people that voted against nick in the votes split. So I don't know it just to me. It feels like a and again. She said confessional. I don't know why she would lie to us at home that no this was really a that. She was trying to just do something. Nice for Nick after he got blindsided. But I just think that we've seen her game before and this is almost like that when she when she went. Sarah does something Nice for you. It's almost like you hear like the Jaws Music Dan. It's about to happen again. Like she's doing something. Nice for me because then GonNa let lower my defenses. And then that's how she gets you. It's like the same like horror movie over and over again for people. I mean she would have hearts two hearts with us about our family about how proud our family is going to be of is and then she would just completely slit our throats. Syrah is a ruthless survivor player. And that's why I don't know I know maybe my theory is wrong. Kounellis to her. And that's that's that's ideal. No that's ideal. That's why she's so good at survivor. But that's why I'm wondering if a lot of times people try to over correct things from their first season or the second season she wouldn't and no she did win but all of these people one and she had a really bitter jury that actually questioned her character and so maybe she was trying to kind of correct that behavior in this way and and look. I don't know Sarah that well outside of the game and I'm sure she done these wonderful moments and is a kind person I mean I don't know maybe she is. I don't know I can't really speak on. Get according to the survivor wicky. She was one of two votes for Nick. Her and denise according to the survivor Waiheke. Because he's not in the episode but that's what they're reporting it was it was not a good move because immediately all eyes were on her. She was a target. That's why I think that it was just a bad move. That did have some potential gain for her. I think she wanted to show a human moment for the jury. I really do and I think that in the final tribal council because she got all this backlash of being so ruthless and like people were attacking their character at our tribal council and they didn't even show all of it. It was actually nasty. Like people really went in on her and her morals and so I think maybe she was leaving the charge in in terms of that game. Changers Jerry like really upset with her. I'm trying to think oh is he. And that which was weird. Because I did not expect that from Ozzy Ponderosa Zoe so weird. Because you'll be chilling with these people. Seem like they don't even care about what's going on. With fans versus favorites too during Ponderosa didn't even care what was going on. He just was there and then all of a sudden he goes in on Sarah just attacking her and then I'm trying to think who else is to be honest. Sometimes my survivor seasons are a little bit of a full her. I think I compartmentalize everything and so it's this box. I won't have to do podcasts. I'll have to try to remember what happened But I'm pretty sure Debbie winning I I was actually surprisingly I surprised myself and I cringe afterwards but I took that very personal and I kind of went on Sarah to just because she it was it was just different. I mean I've been blindsided before but I've never had someone Connect with me in such a way. That actually was just completely fake and I think some of that was considering came back and told me that Sarah didn't even like me talking shit about me all the time. Oh sorry could you sort of just help to explain the difference between something like that where Boston rob going back to redemption island with somebody that I talked about this before that you felt like he was like I like a brother sister relationship like an older brother relationship with you but ultimately he vowed he votes you out in that game but that didn't feel like as as much of a betrayal as something like with Sarah from game changers? It's so tricky because I don't know everyone does it. But there's for some reason when some people do it just doesn't stink as much and I think it's because Sarah really went into family and you know she we would talk about family. We talk about her son and then she swore on her son and it was just maybe it was because I don't know is it a gender. Maybe it's because like I felt like she was a sister to me. I know I said that about Boston Rob. But he's older so it's kind of like oh he's like an older brother but maybe. I just felt like I actually bond more Sarah because I have your yeah like I have sisters and I think that there was also. It was right around the time that we had the The loved ones is it. And so there's this commotion moment where my mom brought up the fact that like we lost my my other sister And and so I think that was just like an emotional time where you know we bonded on this really deep level that connected into family probably feeling emotional because my mama talked about my sister who passed away and and I think then to be cut shortly after that by by what I thought was my number one for some reason it just felt like a knife to the stomach and I don't know I guess maybe just because she took it a couple steps further but it's hard to tell her you're trying to give advice to future survivor players. It's like you have to bond with people so they feel safe but just don't take it too far. I don't know what the Lions but Gregory Ramon you also. You voted for Sarah to win at the in game. Changers correct I did. Yeah so I was able to separate always able to do that for you Andrea I mean. I think people would not a lot of smaller. Players would not have done that like I was. I was hurt by her but I also recognize that she played the best game. I mean I I think she's one of the best arriver players and so if it ever sounds like I have any. Ill will towards her. I really don't She's good she's really good. Yeah so what? Have you made of her game so far in this season? Because I really feel like that. We've seen Maybe not the first person say that we've seen more of that social game coming out in this season that we had in we got to see in game changers. Well I think she's been playing great up until giving nick the reward very bizarre really really weird and I could have cost her the game. I mean that's going to be on. Everyone's mind so we'll have to see I. I see her bonding Sophie. Which is which reminds me of her bonding with me and Aubrey And the thing is is Sarah is is really fun showing a little bit of that on this season. They didn't really show that on game changers and people didn't really understand why we all bonded with her but she's so fun And you can see that a little more on that war so I think she's doing great. I mean she looks like she's tight with. Tony looks like she may be tight with Ben. Looks like she has a good bond with SOFI. I mean I think that she's in a good position minus the reward fiasco but 'cause because even when her name came up briefly. I was surprised that people wouldn't realize wait. Sarah's a much more dangerous player than Adam Adam. Adam didn't have anyone so why not keep adamant. You can just keep an eye on atom but Sarah I think kind of has the stronger. Bonds formed an atom. And I'm surprised that maybe I thought maybe taking out Sarah would have been a better move but I think that the best friend syndrome is happening and I think a lot of people think Sarah is with them. Just staying with Sarah for one more minute that I feel like that Sarah's ability to do like a kind gesture for somebody to then go back on it can you can use you explain or at least like you to lower your defenses. So could you explain the wedding ring story with Brad from game? Changers that Do you do you remember how that played out? She had she had a ring but it wasn't really her ring and she let she let Brad hold it so that he would trust her but it wasn't her real ring is that I'm actually not one hundred percent sure what happened with that. I know that it was pretty smart though is that they exchanged rings wedding rings. But I didn't know that it wasn't actually her ring. I wish I could remember the story right. Only you probably if only you have someone on the season here to talk about what happened. I mean in fairness it's something we're from when you were out of the game so usually honestly after I'm out of the game I kind of embitter and I know there was something there was something that she would did. They exchanged rings Jones. And that will which is really smart. Is She also with Sirri with that? She let Sirri hold the The extra vote which almost got burned on Women Sirri but as a as a gesture of goodwill she does very well she does. Do these gestures to people to sort of say. See I trust you and then ends up sort of like opening the door for maybe down the road. She could go back against that if she wants to. Yeah and I think it's really smart because it's something tangible that you have and so you know if if and also if Sarah has your wedding ring you're not gonNa vote her out so and who knows all too at the time. It was something that she did for Nick where she felt like. Hey no I'm just doing something to be nice to Nick. But you know it's not beyond her capability to then say. Hey now this is. This is a great time to get nick. Because he'll he'll never see it coming because I just did something nice for or that. Hey nickel work with me because he owes me one so it gets a lot of options in terms of what she can do. I just think on a new player season that move is gonNA is probably going to work better than on a season where everybody already you know is sort of suspicious about her absolutely and I was really surprised. No follow up of her nick having some sort of conversation about it. I mean clearly. They must have spoken about it. But I don't know that's a big question mark. I'm actually really curious to hear from Sarah. I don't know if she I don't know if the cast is even tweeting or if she said anything about it supposed to have gone to be talking about stuff that would be. Maybe my biggest question. 'cause I don't yeah not not like her. Yeah I think it's also interesting. Because she mentioned that yet he got blindsided and then also he just got engaged. And then that reminded me of in the original edge of extinction where Ron took Gavin on the family reward. Because then he he he had just gotten engaged or he just got married right before they went out to go play. They moved up his his wedding date. If I remember that story correctly but then gabbing also voted against Ron in that same episode. So I didn't really. That would have been fresh in their memory. That doesn't buy you that much. I don't know why well then again. Maybe this is why I am not engaged or married but like why I mean you're on survivors so realize on pot birthday doesn't matter your engagement doesn't matter like those things don't matter this is why you're not married because you say. I don't know I mean he so he got engaged sway. He's on survivor. He's GonNa see his. He's going to see a CIANCIO very soon. Yeah maybe very soon because loved ones visit. I believe is coming up next week. Wow so maybe very soon. So who knows? Maybe it's Sarah. I mean I think she's such a good player that I just want to give her credit on this issue thinking like hey let me get another iron in the fire nick. I don't have a good relationship with him by like everybody else thinks. I'm their best friend. If Nick wins the family visit then I might not get a family reward. I mean maybe I think this is the person here already. GonNa take me. This is not a just a human crop even if she's just telling us that It's Sarah has something of swim. Okay all right. Seth wants to ask a question. How Has Sarah? Changed her game since you play with her. Do you notice anything that she's doing differently. This season than what you saw in game changers. Well we haven't really seen that I mean we haven't really seen a lot of moves from her yet and I think that hopefully that's coming soon. she got mean for me just seems like she's a little more low key on this season. Did she ever make you smell her breath or ask the smell anybody's breath survivor? Game Changers like Tyson. Absolutely things yeah like we were. I'm telling you I I really truly felt like sisters like we would. We would smell each other's brushwood braid each other's hair. We stay up all night telling stories and as you know when you're out there a day feels like a week. I mean truly bond with these people but yeah she has that fun silly side. We were winning a lot of challenges and game changers so that even bonds you even more every time you win. You're like Oh my Gosh I love you young. You're just so over the moon because you were with her at the original. Nuku right and then and then you guys got swapped together also Yup and got to opt again so we were with each other at the entire. Tyco so the year time in the game so yeah you get to know somebody very well throughout that whole course of being together or you think you're think I talked to me about somebody that you've never played with but somebody that you know more from real life this season and how do you feel like. Sofi is doing in survivor winners at war. I Love Sophie. She is the best. I'm so happy for her. I think she's killing it. I think she's playing a really really good game she. She was the one that steered what last week's vote. She was window yet. She was the one that made that call. I think she's so even keeled really calm seems to have really good bonds. He's so funny. And she's I got to watch the episode with her All right before lockdown. So is that MS so right before it was like the last day before I left. And we're all going out. Yeah Yeah and I just think she's so great and she was you know she. She was on the season after redemption. Island you guys played back. Yeah so I've known her for a while and I was kind of feel bonded with her because we around that same time you know. The glory years. The survivor were survivor. Seasons were really at its peak. Everything else has been just downhill. Yup Yup the apex of survivor. The Golden Age Twenty three. Yes yes anti and Dole. Hey Don't forget about twenty four. Don't forget about one world also We don't really as good as it gets Because Sophie was so I felt like she was so under edited South Pacific. And it's it's great to see her. Get more airtime here. And she's just so smart and she's really athletic so I think people forget that she's an athlete so it's kind of cool to see all aspects of her game play so I wanna ask you about the idea of sophie being under edited Do you think that that was the case that this was a very similar sophie that we saw in South Pacific and they just didn't show us her or do you think that she's grown a lot since the person played in survivor South Pacific? It's probably a mixture of both. I think that she probably was playing more than they gave credit for in South Pacific. But you know with age comes with And I do think that you can kinda grow and you learn and it's been it's been a while. Since the first time she played so she you just once you play when you play one time and you're like oh I get it and then you're able to bring more to the table and you're able to usually narrate better as well. She's just somebody also that I have so much respect for her as somebody that I've gotten to talk with about the game. You know almost every season or most of these in between from when she played through now and she was somebody that always was able to break down the game so well and come up with new ideas that people hadn't been talking about so it's just been really fun to get to see her out there and try to be out there and navigate this really crazy season that we have here in season forty. Yeah she's I. I have a couple of winter picks but she's up there. I think she's probably my like my top two so we have Sophie and Sarah. They were swapped together to this new tribe. Yara and they voted against Boston. Rob And it looks like they picked up. Ben As an ally there. So do you see any potential red flags here for this Sarah and Sophie relationship or do you think that this might be maybe the Mo the biggest force that people need to deal with in the post merge game. I really worry that Sarah is GonNa turn on Sophie Real quick. I think Sarah likes playing with guys are bringing guys to the end like she did in her season. It works for Game Changers. So why wouldn't she do it? This season I just? I think that Sarah knows how smart. Sophia's Sarah doesn't wanNA play with really smart people so I think she's going to cut sophie and I don't Wanna see but I that's my prediction. But maybe so theon Sarah. I know everyone there knows that Sarah's very dangerous Yeah I do worry more for so fi than for Sarah here because I feel like that while Sarah has a lot of other options that I feel like that so fees tight ally right now might be Sarah whereas Sarah has been she has tony. She seems tight with Kim. We've seen her having a relationship with Tyson and who are the people that Sophie was tight with the season? You'll who's gone the atom with somebody. Where when when it came down to in the episode there was some talk about that. Somebody was talking to them and they said. Hey. How About Sofi or Sarah and Adam was saying though Sarah Sarah. Oh she's tight with Ben. He's like trying to seem like protect sophie. I just don't know who has sophie's back here. I don't really think a lot of people so Sophie Really Need Sarah Right now. It doesn't really mean Sophie so that does make me pretty nervous now sir. Sarah has a lot of options. Also Sofi seems like. She doesn't really want to work with Jeremy. So that's another person who after she went after window because he was tight with Jeremy so I'm just wondering where where the people that are going to protect so fear coming from? Yeah I I wonder that to rub iceberg. Now I'm really worried about where she's position. I WANNA get your take on Boston. Rob FROM THE SEASON. But if you don't mind android you can thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast. 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He's the best so I I. I'm rooting for him. I really wanted him to get back in when there is the battle back. Yeah Yeah do you feel like if you were out there you would've worked with Robbie would have been another person in his corner. I mean look. I don't WanNa be fooled twice by Boston around. Because that would be completely embarrassed humiliated. Yeah but I think it's kind of like how Boston Robin Poverty started working together. You'd rather go with the people that you know then these strangers or people that you aren't as familiar with so I would have initially probably teamed up but then always making sure always make sure that what's going on with him no right right And I feel the same way that I feel like that if I was out there on a season with disability be like. Hey let's let's keep this guy around for as long as we can ya and honestly after playing with Sarah. I do think that Boston Rob is more trustworthy than Sarah. Just because I think he is a little more of the old school mentality where gas he will completely backstab you. But he's GonNa WanNa try to have a core group longer than someone like she would and so. I think that in a weird way. I think he's actually a better bet than a lot of these winners especially the new school people because I feel like new school survivor. There's just a lack of loyalty just on all ends. Yeah okay this is an interesting thing to talk about. Because we saw this back in the first episode where that rob was talking with. I think with Dante boat ride and with Ethan and then we cut to like where you know Jeremy and Ben Adam are and and rob says something to the effect of luck see. That's the problem with these new school players. That they don't they don't talk to each other. They're just they're they don't they? Don't get to know each other and Robert saying that's what we do as old school players. We get to know each other. Do you think that there's something to that Yeah I do think so. I mean I remember. It was different because it's my first time on survivor though. But when I first played with rob we did. We played a lot of fun games. granted the one time he played a game he actually ran back to camp and found in high dose. How much of it was real? Who knows but it did feel more of the bright eyed bushy tailed kind of excited to be on survivor. Feel and again. I was my first time in survivor. But when you play with newer people or when you're coming back as a returner it's just all game from the top and you don't really get to know the people as well. I think that part of ROB's game is that in his perfect scenario like what happened in Redemption Island. You Know He. He builds up a group of five or six people and he is a little bit more like a counselor and I think he wants to go into the into the merge with five or six people and then completely knock off everybody from the other tribe whereas I feel like that. A lot of people are saying like okay. Who's my one or two people? Okay and how can I put together? This voting block with this pair in this pair in this pair as opposed to and I'm not necessarily worried about it. Yeah this is my tribe right now but this is not my tribe for the long haul. Yeah and I think. The old school way to play survivor was bigger alliances. That actually stuck together and it's just so different now. I don't even know if I can fully keep up because I actually like having a group of people. I don't know if that's because I started playing survivor around. That strategy was still happening but I just like the idea of like having a core like three or four and then a couple of wires just how I like playing survivor. But you have to adapt and now you have to be willing to work with every single person and not be as focused on having this core alliance. Where do you think you went wrong for rob this season? I just think that he was doomed from the start because the last season we had a big Joe giant giant Boston Rob Statue. That's true you can't recover from you really can't and I think that when you look at survivor. The people that stick out as the top layers are Boston. Rob Sandra Poverty. You know I just think that those three are synonymous with survivor and back the back. The back in this game yeah. I think I'm actually shocked. He went as far as of course than his last ditch. Effort Buddy system is just not going to work on these players. Anton that bring back any painful memories for you for to have the buddy system be brought back from Boston buddy system on steroids according to Sarah. Yeah well the buddy system was the worst because the thing is when somebody like Boston. Rob Says we're doing the buddy system and you have all these people that actually WanNa work with Boston. Rob On redemption island. You're you're paired with someone and of course. I was paired with Philip. So was a terrible situation. But you're this person the whole time. And if you if you step out of line your buddy is GonNa go tattle on you. So that's what it was so basically. Hey have you see you buddy? Talk into some of these ZAPPA. Tara's you come back and you snitch on you'll be saved but they're gone hall and so there's really nothing you could do because even if you pulled your body aside and said Hey. Are we really going to do this? Are we going to do this? Buddy system this just feels very constricting. Then guess what either way your Buddies GonNa tattle on you so there was nothing that I could do with this buddy system and in in that sense it was brilliant job. So it's not but it didn't translate to this scene at half. Okay so with the buddy system then would there also be like every day? Then you'd have to have a meeting with rob where Andrea Wherever broadwood Andrea. Tell me fill up saying anything to you about talking to the Salvatore and then and then he would be able to read you like he did with Ben where you'd be like well Andrea. You better tell me you better tell me the truth. I mean the thing that he did that was actually great. Is he would make it. Seem like even though it was his idea he would make it. Seem like it was the group effort So he actually never. It wasn't even the people would tattle to him. It wasn't necessarily like He. He did make. It seem like he was doing it for himself. He was like we're doing this for each other. Which if you WANNA play that really old school way of survivor were you do have a huge group of people together gather it actually really does work And so if you WANNA go far in the game and maybe only make it to a certain point. The buddy system is actually very very effective. Because it's so as soon as you start talking to the other side someone gets pulled over. It always happens so in term of in terms of getting our lions very far. It works but it was so horrible. Because you couldn't do anything but then Boston rob also on our first season. He and granted if you were all kids and naive. I mean you had Natalie. Nineteen I was twenty one ashley to Ashley Natalie early actually underwood and then you got all these people that never watch survivor and he would make it. Seem like he would throw it out to us and say who do you. WanNa vote out so we thought Oh. I suggested Julia whoever I suggested and I was like. Oh that was my move. No that was not overthrow. Would let you pick who got to go home from the other tribe. Yes okay we would kind of think. Oh wow well I decided. I wanted to take out Ralph Kaiser and so this is my move my resume and so he yeah so he did a really good job of tricking. A bunch of naive people. So I wanna ask you about so. You got to play with Philip in season. Twenty two and then you came back and then played with Philip again in Carmo and and and you had a good relationship with Philip from the first time. And you're able to work with him the second time. Can you just talk a little bit about what it's like playing with the same person in different seasons and we've seen Tony and Sarah and a couple other people who've gotten to play with each other Tyson's played with a few different people and now you're in a different game with that same person does feel really good because you have that sense of security of okay? This is a person I've worked with before. I don't think they're going to gun for me because they don't know any of these other things. So I was thrilled to be with Philip again. Buying it I was happy to have somebody who had played with before. The only problem is then. He wanted to play like Boston rob and so he was trying to do the same thing Boston. Rob Didn't all knew it. And we were all talking to Phillip. Say This to you okay. Said the same thing to me wasn't working. He had we had been played survivor so many days together that it was almost like a family member that I couldn't stand it so what I would wake up and see him wrapped up in the blanket with two pillows and no one else had anything. I would just be fuming. It honestly I would get so mad at him Because you were just at that point had played so many days together. But yeah I mean when I when I the only other person I've played with Francesca but that was only for a few days. And then Malcolm but we didn't actually meet up on game changers and it's always it always depends on your dynamic Malcolm. I was kind of not looking forward to playing with because we have been running at each other at the entire time during Cara Moen and game. Changers I was actually planning on fully wanting to work with him but I just know that Malcolm doesn't trust me and so I was afraid that it was going to be really bad if we met up in the game because even though I wasn't going to go for him he might go for me just the chance that he would go for me. I would actually have to go from right away. So it's just really tricky depends on what happened your first season. Can you talk through a little bit where I just talked him Alka? The other day we had a great podcast this past weekend which I highly recommend people. Macaroni Grill a great story. Great stories about his seasons but he didn't have too many stories from Caroline. That's the one season he didn't really talk about Too much but in terms of not to say that he didn't like it or anything like that he just said that wasn't we've talked about. We've talked a lot about game. Changers a lot about denise from in the Philippines but if you know that you're gonNA come back and have this type of maybe an awkward situation with somebody that do you need to get out in front of that and talk to people before you get out there or the kind of thing that you can work it out when you're on the beach in a new game with somebody where that you have history from past game. I mean it's so difficult because you never know how much you WanNa pre-game and now actually it's interesting because survivors actually addressed the pre existing relationships. And I think that it's good because we all know each other. We've all been you know. Some people played poker together dated. And so it's kind of you know. Let's not be in denial that we all have some sort of relationship With Malcolm I think when we saw each other in La four usually built bring us to La and give you your shots and stuff. What does that call pre-game like before you leave? Villages are like a cash. Whatever and so for me I try not to pre game as much as other people because it comes across really fake and so if I reach out to someone that I think is rumored to be on a season that I'm going to be on and I just say. Hey how's it going and act like we both don't know we're going to be on the season it's weird but then if you address it off the top and you're like hey so are you going to be playing game changers or you may playing that season than it's too aggressive and so. I decided game changers. I wasn't going to reach out to anyone knew only people that I thought maybe I should say something to was Malcolm because you played there and so for him I think we we did taxed a little bit but nothing set. I don't think that I probably do a bad job of pre gaming because I hear about all these other people that had full packs like they solid. We're together and then sometimes they actually go to the end like I heard that Sarah and treason and Brad had like a final three deal and then they went all the way to the end. And so sometimes you look back and you're like wait. Should I have pre game a lot? More I always kind of leaned towards not pre gaming because I just feel it comes across phony because anyone that reaches out to me before we play survivor and I haven't talked to them ever and like okay. It's kind of weird. I'm with you but now I'm starting to think in later seasons where they bring people back. I'm starting to feel like that. The people that pre-game maybe they had the leg up like this too many people that are like I'm not gonNa pre-game and maybe maybe is the way to go now. I do think they do have the leg up. I don't know how to do it. I don't you know what I'm saying like I don't know how to do it in a genuine way. And even though I m genuine. I'm just so worried that it's going to come across phony if I tax Malcolm and say hey smiley face Let's let's work together. I don't I don't really get how to do it. I remember for Care Moen. There was I wasn't talking very many people before but I do remember what happened. Someone said I. I don't know it was. It was like we got scolded pre gaming and part of me thinks that there was a conspiracy that they wanted to start people pre game. But not me. I don't know it's just. It gets very interesting. It's all very weird and convoluted. Yeah I know I just feel like that. I'd be afraid to be like other people are doing it. You're going to be left out. I know maybe that was bad on my part changes. I mean game changers. I didn't talk to really anyone. I mean Malcolm Key I knew him and we you know we. We've been friendly outside of the game and the only thing I think we said was. I think I did say Malcolm I promise. I'm not gonNA come for you like just please. Because I'm so I was so worried about him gunning for me for no reason or just because of the past and I was like I'll do anything just to prove that I actually really WanNa play with you. 'cause I think Malcolm is just the coolest funniest guy ever but we also we also have kind of a brother sister relationship income. Oh you're going after each other but then laughing about it and that's why. I think I actually really enjoyed chairman because the the people that were coming after me we're Eddie Reynolds and Malcolm who were oblast and so it was just kind of a fun season all around and it wasn't as dark as game changers or as Boring as redemption island. Yeah okay in Survivor Care Mohan. You ended up winning individual immunity in the same challenge that we saw last night. Does that bring a smile to your face Andrea when you see that your challenge comeback. I love that challenge and I do. Yeah it's a good challenge. I remember that when I did it. I think we were up there for three and a half hours and the minutes last night. Yeah wasn't very long however I will say this. They had rougher waters. Yeah which makes your friends and the other thing is on the top of the challenge. We had a little ridge like a little slap of would that went down the middle. They had a flat top. And so what I was doing was I took my to my big toe and the next toe and I kind of would clench on that would and the and it brought me a little more stability and I was able to. Kinda hold on a little bit. I don't know if Brennan was doing that but I was able to. Kinda grip with my toes onto this little wood. Slat didn't have that so book. I did balance for three and a half hours and could win a lot longer. The producer said they were thinking of. They weren't sure if they were going to have to have the tribal council out. There is Brenda and I were not moving at all. You guys went to one leg. Yeah then we went to one leg make it harder site. I do think if you look at the choppy waters and the design. They had a harder harder. Time I don't know I like that challenge. I wish I wanNA take everyone on that challenge. So how many individual immunity wins? Do you have a four four and three in game changers in one in Caramel. And don't have that right. I had redemption islands hanging hanging upside down and then I had one in the doghouse challenge and then to in game changer. Yeah that's night. Kim Spradlin I believe won her fifth immunity challenge. Yeah who who would be able to last longer on the Doghouse? You're Kim spratling. I mean Kim's really GonNa challenges but I think it's okay. I think that's my challenge. Rob Yeah I think I think that's my challenge. I she could probably beat me in a ton of other challenges but I feel confident about the doghouse challenge. Yeah okay so Kim actually I could. I don't think I'm wrong. I think I'm right. Did she beat the record for most female individual. Yeah I believe I. It's weird because she has four and I think a few people have a few women have gotten four in one season. It seems low to me that five would be the all-time record. Yeah but she got five. That's now the record. Yes I think she just beep beep us because I had four. I think Kelly Wentworth Chrissy. partially Maresca. I think maybe poverty so yes so now she has that record as long as takes my record of most votes against me In the history of survivor. How many is is anybody on your tail this season. I think I think Kelly is close to me. She's obviously yeah. Kelly is who is on the season. Imagine if thought Yup they're Tyson might be. I don't know where we where we track this. But Tyson's been voted out now three different times. Yeah you're right. Oh it's my favorite record. It's all I have left okay. We'll see I'm sure somebody will update the leaderboard for us on all of that. I wanted to back to last week. Immunity Challenge where we to see the survivors hold onto the poll for as long as they could and yet believe you were making this comment and a lot of other people were they similar to have. Michelle fell you. You had a similar fall in game changers on on this challenge. Is that right? Yes Yeah I could. You just describe what it's like to be up there did I was. I was so excited to do this. Challenge been watching it on survivor and I. It makes it look so easy. Yes I'm good at these type of challenges. This was horrible. It hurts so much. It's a tiny little ridge that you're balancing your toes on it. Only it only takes up about half your toe announcing on half of a toe and it hurts so much And I was in it. I lasted pretty long and it was the most pain. I think I've ever been in on the survivor challenge and I remember looking at at tie. Who has just hanging out limited best life and Ozzie? Who was also not really moving. And I'm like you know what I I. It pains me but I can't do this anymore and so I just tried. I really wanted to win that challenge and I couldn't do it so I was always at the top and I was in so much pain that the idea of sliding down the pole and stepping onto another ridge would have been. I just couldn't do it so I just decided to drop now. I when I was younger when I grow up on the farm I would always be jumping off of barns and stuff so I know how to land and so I was like you know what I can do this and so I just let myself fall off and then I landed and got back up with its sand. It was Sandia and it wasn't raining. You didn't have bad weather like these survivors. Did Right now yeah it was. We were in the sun so wasn't as bad something I will say too. So the challenges have all been changed over times not over time not all of them but some of them have been adjusted and they told us on game. Changers poll challenge. They actually made the ridges where you stand the little. What are they called? Just the GROOVE grooves. Our at our. They've actually made the Group A lot smaller over time. Yes so if you go back and you look at their although yes so they exactly so if you look back at the earlier iterations of the challenge. Those little grooves are a lot bigger. So you can have maybe half a foot on it and so when you see an granted. Poverty clearly kills that challenge. But when you see her hanging out and thriving it's actually an easier an easier version still hard still difficult. But it's interesting because when you do the harder version. You're you want there to be some sort of disclaimer. This one's harder because you can't lasted as long of Philippi Shimon says should they lower the polls on that immunity challenge the last three times. They've done it. You and Michelle both took hard falls in Jen. Brown got stung by a bee in a sensitive area. I don't know if that has anything to do with the high fully thing that challenge just too dangerous. I mean it only fly at a certain. I don't know I don't know I don't know I mean personally. I chose to fall off and in that way Just because I knew that I could probably land and it would be less painful as a viewer. You like to see people higher up on the Poles because they do it in the water while water on land. Is it too hard to like? Get the poll embedded in the in the water. That might be difficult to get it in the water but that is a good idea. Yeah I don't know okay let me ask you about Michelle a little bit and where she's at because I think that she's a very important figure even though she's very much on the bottom right now when I was rewatching tribal council. Today I noticed that one of the key people that everybody was whispering to was Michelle. I really couldn't wrap my head around. Y based on what we've seen in the episode because the vote was like okay. Should we do nick or Michelle? That was the talk but I saw Michelle whispering with a bunch of different people and it seemed like the people were going to her that she seemed like very involved in all these conversations so I would love to hear from you is Michelle more involved in. What's going on based on where where she is in the game right now. I think she s I think that she was left out of the window. Vote because people knew she had a relationship with hundred kick the yeah they. They kicked it. Oh my gosh that also. I can't believe that she was stuck on an island with her ex. That I'm I'm good friends with Michelle outside of actually never even played survivors together but We're good friends in real life and I just can't believe that she had to play survivor with a friend terrible. I would hate it. Yes but oh yeah but I think so. She was left out of that vote because of that reason but she does have a really good social game. I know everyone talks about having great socially but she really does and I think that not very charismatic and people very cares get that yeah and I think that a lot of the People Wanna go to the end with Michelle okay. I do think that because I think unfortunately with her season with Aubrey. A lot of people didn't think you know she was very controversial. But I think that a lot of will see Michelle and think okay. I might be able to show but I can't be. Tony could be Michelle over Tyson. Michelle over Jeremy or ban. Ki Friends Michaud in Aubrey. Ever ask you Andrea decide. Who Do you like better out of the two of US? My Gosh and no about what's really hard is no those are totally fine and yeah. They're totally fine. There's no beef there but it is kind of interesting because I am very close with Aubrey and I'm very close with Michelle. I love them both. They're both incredible people and they are so different they are just opposite sides of the coin. It's it's really interesting But I adore both of them. No there's no fight there ever if they ever made me choose. I like all right. I won't be friends with either. You'll pick Julia Sokolowski. Yeah but yeah I think I think a lot of people WANNA play with Michelle in. She does have this great. This great energy. I mean you see it in real life. The girls organizing zoom calls with like twenty survivors. And you know very social. She's always involved in survivor community. And I don't know she has the energy for it. I definitely don't okay. I won't ask any follow ups about these zoom calls that I don't know anything about that for another day but the next time I mean I don't know but hey don't tell rob whatever you do but Andrea go back to where Michelle was offered this deal for or quote unquote deal for the fifty fifty idle for four fire tokens. Yeah this kind of goes back to. Why I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT. All the fare tokens and the twist. Because I just I don't even care that much. You know like it's just okay. So four or five or tokens for a fifty fifty chance and you get to play at a tribal like I'm already kind of checked out moving parts. Yeah come on but I would say. I think she made the right decision. Because you don't know if you're GONNA even make it past the next tribal council. She was on the outside of the last vote. If not the best deal and in fact it's actually kind of a terrible deal but I think that it hurt were she is in the game. She has to play vote to vote. I think it'd be better. It'd be better to have a shot at saving yourself than absolutely nothing. And then you're sitting on four or five tokens not knowing when the next deal could come about. Let me ask you this question from one of our listeners. Mike Dose Kiss says what do you think about Michelle? Perhaps being able to play her coin idle after the votes a red from what was shown from the rules the idol and what Michelle read. It's a possibility of parentheses. Although I realize we don't see everything if this is the case. Do you think that the idol was worth for fire tokens that she spent so i? I don't know this for for sure but if it is hypothetically wear that it's fifty fifty but it's like the Tyler Perry idol where Okay Michelle. The tribes spoken. But she can pull out the coins but not before we flip the coin and the coin goes up and then if it's safe now. Michelle's not voted out. Yeah I mean. I was surprised that it wasn't more clear. And when exactly you play it because that was my question. I don't think it's going to be after. I think that would have been in the description so I guess what so basically. She has to play it. What I think is after everyone votes and before the rat. Is that what you're thinking? I'm not sure I mean that's what I was thinking before. I read Mike's Question. I think that it's definitely more valuable if it can be played after the votes well yeah. I mean then. It's definitely worth it. I think after because he couldn't sit on that for a while and this is my question to you. Is The coin the idol? Yeah I think so okay. Okay because at first I thought she had bring the Queen Does Tribal Council and at any point flip it gets an idol and then she can play it or not the flip it or jeff get the flip it. I think she gets to flip it. Yes only seems fair fair. She has a bad throw in like throws it off the set. I know I just. I'm not a big fan of it. yeah I and there was a lot of fire tokens if it was only one or two. I think it's a no brainer. You have to do it but I I was saying this. Could she do more with those? Four fire tokens of like say to somebody know. Could if I give you a fire token after every tribal council. Could you keep me safe for this one? Yeah Short or could she? I mean can cheetahs offer. Her Fire Tokens to people to keep it. Yeah I mean I guess you're right. That would be actually better. I would think I don't know that. Okay so if you're in a position do you take it or not? I think that it's easier to say. Don't take it from being podcast. I think if you're out there and you have the advantage in front of you. I think you probably end up doing it but especially especially if you get the Fortune Cookie and it tells you a fortune. Cookie had a lot to do with the decision. You and I think was a missed. Opportunity is if they would put idol clue in the fortune cookie and then they all opened up their cookie and had her read it out loud. It would've been so fun to see someone have to make up a different instead of the idol is under the whatever idle or would it said like treasure. Awaits you in a place that you know? Where new messages liars kind of vague enough? But that's like oh. The lightbulb went off that. That's actually this clue because that's what they were going to do but ultimately that's not how it turned out. I I think either way. I also think it'd be just hilarious if it was like. The idol is under the blanket. You're sitting on spurt. Kim What did yours say like they used to be like. Kindness is more valuable than well. You just have to make something on the spot. I think that's such a missed opportunity. While they've done Chinese food reward two seasons in a row so I wonder if maybe that could be coming back at some point where they do. What you're talking about. That would be very fun. We'll see but I think Michelle is not necessarily at the bottom. I don't think that she's anybody's target. Right now yeah no. I don't think so either and I mean like I said I don't think the players out there view her as the biggest threat right now and she's very go with the flow. She's really fun. She is Kinda down for whatever direction I think the game is going and people want to work with people like people like that and you can tell. A lot of people are kind of scared of Nick. Say He's wish Washy Andress or they're scared Sarah or Tony's this big target and I think Michelle is just easier to work with and that's why. I think that a lot of people will want to work with her. Are you surprised that the women have gotten together? have some sort of more like we've seen like Sarah is talking with Sofi and Kim is tight with Denise and Sarah and has had conversation with Sophie. I mean isn't this Kim's thing that she did so well in survivor one world. It seems like that. Michelle is not really being approached by a too many of the other women that are out there and we're at a point where there's five women they're still in the game and five men. I actually thought about that. I thought why isn't Kim trying to take Michelle under her wing? And unless they're not showing us that could that could be happening. But they might just not made the edit but I would think that the girls would want to team up especially someone like him who likes working with women and Michelle. Who Likes working with women? I'm I am surprised that we're not seeing more bonding. I don't really know why it seems weird that Michelle. Sorta just like left out right now. It's the only woman that Michelle has. A relationship in the game with is denise. I Yeah I mean I haven't seen A. Shell really have a conversation with Sarah or Sophie. More can really do. Michelle and Sophie have any sort of a existing relationship coming into the game from both being sort of in the tri state area. Not I'm aware of yeah I don't. I don't think I've ever been anywhere where those two were together. So I don't really know if they have any sort of connection I don't think so. Okay just to go back to Adam. One more time before we dive into some more of these questions Did you think Adams Play Tribal Council was going to work? Did you think when Adam talked about the floor early? That was on the podium. Did you think it was going to be real? I wanted it to be real. I mean I think I was. I think I was fifty fifty when he made the move to go there. I honestly there's a part of me that really thought it was going to work and I wish you what this is the thing I feel. You've probably talked about it before I've mentioned this before. But why wouldn't they hide an idol tribal council? Yes now you can't make it a thing because then it's GonNa be really distracting and people are GonNa Start Looking for the idol tribal council but maybe just for one season and then Jeff can have a conversation with ever afterwards and be like all right. That was the only idol at tribal council. Don't even look again. That was fun. Okay back to business as usual but I just think it's. It's about time and so I was hoping that it would have been an idol. I also was hoping I don't really like producer interference ever but when Adam was giving us confessionals about it might come producers. Just put an idol in there it would be it out and I don't remember this from earlier in the season did they change up the tribal council set at all or did Adam just like talk about it in this episode. Has Adam been looking at that thing the whole season and saying? Hey if all hell breaks loose. I've got an idol at tribal council waiting for me. What interesting didn't he say he said something about when he noticed it right he made? It seem like that he noticed that this last vote that he's it seemed like but he also re tweeted today that in survivor. South Africa that that they had a thing where it really an idol really was on the podium. There's also been in Australia and survivor. Where idols have been hidden in the voting booth or behind where the torches are so that Adam is such a super super fan that he's seen these things that I am hidden in international versions and very much in his head going into the season so he was. Maybe he's ahead of where you survivors. Yeah well I even I remember when he was in the voting confessional. I think that he actually was looking around in area and he was leaving so I think he's been kind of looking but yeah it was. You know I'm I'm really happy. That he gave it a shot. Yes Andrea I know that you and Adam also share something in common. You both love playing in live action survivor games. Do not take place in Fiji. Would you make a pre-game alliance with Adam? If you and him were ever going to be in the same live action survivor game. Oh absolutely yes back survivor. Players with actually kind of funny is whenever so I play. I've played a few of them. But I've actually had people reach out to me and try to pre game with me about these day long survivor game. I didn't know that. Where does Adam do them? All over the place. Yeah I mean you love survivor game ever was survivor Brooklyn South Brooklyn. He played with Z. At Brooklyn Yeah Survivor Brooklyn. And then they're survivor Brooklyn South survivor. Brooklyn it was my best game ever. I found to idols. Play them correctly. I blind sided everyone sophie. Even she blindsided her and I think she built it for me to win but she actually Gave me a really harsh jury speech. Like what does she say? Wish I could remember. And she was something like Andrew. Where are we and I'm like? I don't know the Park Brooklyn. And then she said something Man It was like now. I'M GONNA have to look it up on Youtube. Something that just make. It was funny. She was like really playing into being bitter. So do you think that if Sophie ends up on the jury we could see a very bitter? Sofi on this. She will play up her. How angry she is at the final tribal council. I hope so. Yeah Man I wish I could find that it was. It was actually a really good series. I could see that because I feel like that. So Fi is ready to chew me out like on a good day when I haven't even upset her. Yeah I mean she was just joking I could see it all right so let me ask you a question from Jacob who says that having played with four of these winners in the past whose game has changed the most since when you played. And who are you most impressed with okay? So now that includes you've played with Sarah. You've played with rob. You have played with Sandra and are we counting Tony also plane with him once. Yeah I didn't really interact Tony. Have you ever interacted with Tony? I think a little bit at my finale but not as much as I would like to join us one of my favorite survivor players. Yes he is pure joy. I love watching him. I just think he's so funny I actually I didn't play with Tony but if we're counting him. I think Tony's changes game up a lot because he's not even really being perceived as this huge threat and he also has this really sweet gentle side to him when he's talking with some of the people after the comeback from tribal council he's like a little buddy I just think he's kind of showing this like really sweet side but also the fun side. The whole ladder ordeal. The spy shad came back. I mean Tony is just survivor. Goals like he's just so funny. When you were in the Ponderosa in survivor game changers getting ready to play. And was Tony Acting odd. At all where you could tell he was jumping out of his skin and ready to start going crazy once he hit the beach. Oh yeah he was you tell. He was freaking out. He was one of the people like pacing back and forth very jittery. Like ready to go. I mean I think that he was one of the scare. The people that I was most scared of going into game changers you would have now but watching him this season. I would want to align with him. I think he seems a little more stable and you can kind of work with him a little bit more. I think he's actually changed his game up. The most. Everyone else seems similar. I mean Sandra actually changed her game out but for not for not in a great way to how. He's trying to well because when she tried to make that. Big Move with Denise Yop so unlike Sandra usually she's just kinda chilling anyone but me and then she wanted to make this big move and then a totally better see. I felt like that she really was making a lot of big moves in game changers. I feel like that. The change in Sandra's game really happened in between the second time she won and when she came back in game changers. That's true that's a really good point. She was actually kind of running things and game changers and that was very different than what we saw previously. Where I stand. I stand corrected rob. I wasn't trying to anything. I thought she was trying to get back to the original. Sandra a little bit more in this game and then got away from it. Yeah until then denise thing. Yeah Lemme ask you from Eric Crow. Who is talking about how Malcolm the other day he told the story like. He's origin story with Denise about how there was one night in the Philippines where they were in a boat that like I was flipping over because the storms were so bad andrew. Do you have any war stories? That were especially crazier interesting. That people at home wouldn't know about like. Did you have any sort of intense moments from your three times playing survivor? That didn't make the show. Yeah well on Redemption Island so when I got voted out the first time I went to redemption island and everyone is really into me. We're very mean Ralph and wouldn't let you sleep in the shelter on Redemption Island Abbas sleeping in the dirt basically underneath them and Fun Times. But it's funny now because Ralph. My Dad are really good. Friends like always like hang out on stuff But there was a time where I think it was me. Matt elrod Eighty Mike Chisel and grant role redemption island at the same time. Yeah and yeah. Because that was the final duel and everyone is going on this. This big rock in the waves crashing on the rock and then the helicopter was circling taking aerial shots. And so one by one I think the producers were telling US yeah go out there and stand there and it'll be really cool shot and so we were all doing that. I we all went together and then the guys did it and then I went out there and all the guys went back to camp. And probably we're GONNA make rice or something and so I'm standing on this huge rock in helicopters going around and looking off into the distance feeling strong and powerful and all of a sudden the biggest wave ever comes in crashes on the Rock it completely takes over me. I fall down. I'm sliding into the water. My entire side is scraped up. I'm bleeding I'm crawling way. Way Up onto the rock and I make it and I'm like Oh my Gosh. I almost died. I got into the ocean and I could've hit my head by this time. The helicopter was gone. Shot I walk back on the beach and I'm also scraped up and I go to the guys and you say I almost died. You guys this. This wave took me out looking at. I'm bleeding and they did not care anything. I'm sure. Oh Are you okay. Okay and I just remember thinking wow I went from feeling like the coolest person ever to actually almost dying because it was really dangerous. It was this really big rock and it was slippery and went down and nothing in there was like rocks below. And it's funny. Because years and years later on game changers I ended up talking to the pilot. That was that was flying that day and I somehow it came up. He's like yeah we actually had. He's we have a video of you falling and it didn't make the show but I'll have to try to get it to you so I gotta follow up but that was a moment. That was pretty scary for me and then there was another time. I'm redemption island where I got really really sick and After eating cake on an award it was Georgia. One chocolate cake goes all over my face. There's memes of it and I had so much cake that I was the worst I've ever felt physically and I remember just laying face down before Shaba Council face in the mud couldn't move and the they did actually give -cation because I think I was like somehow like blacking out from this cake whole body was like going in shock so it was. It was terrible. Yeah no nobody could tell when you're faced down in the mud where the chocolate ended and where the mud started. Yeah and why would they face down? I don't know but that's what I remember. Remember just like so miserable but I didn't even have the strength to turnover. I went through the worst. I've ever felt yeah. We know that you don't have the best experience on rocks on survivor. Another time the time you fell down walking on the rocks. Be Very careful Andrea and now I'm always trip and that's a harrowing story. It was just crazy because I was the only one that fully lived it like no one else saw it. I guess the pilots probably yeah. I mean the pilot just left me there even. I don't even understand why they wouldn't radio in and say hey. That girl just fell almost went into the water was like crawling her way. Back up honestly. When I was calling my way back up I was. I felt like I was fighting for my life and nobody cared and that was what was so funny. I was laughing about it afterwards. My wow I almost died in no one carrying. Turn the chopper. We don't have the shot. We lost it. Fell all right nick. Snow wants to know. How do you feel about rob using the term Middle School women for Sophie? Kim Denise and Sarah as someone played during the man who played in the Middle School Era? Of course now. I don't mean that in any sort of a derogatory way but I have called the four some of Sophie Kim Denise and Sarah the Middle School women in that we had the old school and then we have the new school people who are at the bottom. And I've said that I think the people that are in the best position might be the the women that are from middle school. But I'm not saying that they're like eighth graders or anything like that. And would you classify yourself as a woman? I feel like you're just digging deeper hole. Rob I think you gotta come up with a different term. It's funny I understand that it's middle school but I'm not saying that they're like they're playing like they're from seventh grade. Just the middle school went in. I think it's the middle guys are in a good spot to the people that played in the twenties. Let's see old school new school media medium schools school medium school mid school middle school. Why really school might be a position. Where like if you were in this season you'd be another one of these people that You know the people that played in the middle of survivor that they're not they weren't targeted as being part of the old school and the people that are on the bottom who is it the new school people of Atom Michelle and Nick. And it's the people who played in the in the twenties. Those people that are in the best buy right now. Yeah I think I would be a middle school woman. Yeah I think so. You'd be right there with middle school guys like Tony. Hi Jason Is Kinda. He's technically old school but he's really the beginning of middle school. Yeah but he's hangs out with the middle school people. Yeah the new school people are a little too fast for me and I definitely identify with being in middle school. Yeah okay that's good. Let's see what else is a Christian and wants to know. Can we get some behind the scenes on your interview with Don Cheadle? That did you have a good story from interviewing Don cheadle recently. Oh well the interview is going to go on our show. This is going to come not really. Yeah this is coming up tomorrow. So it'll be on our show on Friday so people now on people's twitter at actually one. Pm Eastern time is when we moved to doing this digitally. I think he's talking about So I interview. We're doing all of our interviews on Zoom just at the NBC interview. We're supposed to do a few questions. That's just people. Tv's during a compilation of celebrities answering what they're doing at home. And so I asked. Don cheadle okay. What's a new hobby that you've picked up while being isolation and he said heroin but it's funny because I didn't hear him right and I thought he said Caroline and then Regina Hall was also on the call and when when he said heroin she we both don't say anything for about three seconds. She knows her head and I say what would you say? And he goes heroin and then we start laughing and then Regina says Oh. Oh you were doing that before. She's talking about what you picked up while in isolation it was it was a funny thing had to be there or see it on my story but it was actually it was. It was really funny. So Yeah Dan she'll just made a joke about doing an Isaac and a couple of other people wanted to know if you are giving away any of the dogs. Now Isaac is in Wisconsin and he says also are all of your puppies spoken for. Because I'm in the market for a yellow lab. How cool would it be? The have one Andrea's dogs another one of our listeners route. He was can. I have a puppy. Are All of the dog staying on the farm or you're looking for homes for the dogs. They're actually already spoken for four. Yeah they go really fast. I'm sorry who is a is. Is it give you a heads up next time okay? Are you guys expecting to do this again sometime soon? It's never fully plan but usually each summer. We'll have puppies baby horses. Yeah yeah the farm kind of just erupts in a lot of babies. So it's it's a nice time. This is a question from a couple of our listeners. Asked some version of how do you feel like Cochran would have done if he played on this season? Of course you've played with Cochran and Karen came back. And he won didn't a was asked did not want to play for survivor. Season Forty. Yeah I don't know I've been thinking about this I and I'm pretty close with Cochran. Still and he doesn't he doesn't WanNA play again Which is interesting because he you know. He's a huge survivor fan before he played but I duNno. I think he would have done well. I don't think with this group of winners. I don't think he sticks out as the biggest target I think he would have been freaking out. I think it would have been over stimulating for him And I think it would have been hard for him to keep calm honestly so probably great for his sanity to not do the season and so. I think that he would have done very well if he was on the tribe with Sophie. And you'll and I think he would have been the first one out if he was on the tribe with Boston. Rob Yes I mean. He definitely would have bonded with filthy and you'll he's close with them. There's certain people he really bonded with. But then there's others that I don't I don't think he would have really liked ben very much. I don't know if he would have really bonded with poverty or Danny like he's a he's an interesting guy like I just think there's certain people that are able to bond them and he likes but he doesn't like everybody and so I think it would have been hard with some of the players Yeah I think he he would have had the atom spot. Oh Yeah I mean I think that they probably he's probably one of the first people that Jeff called love surprised they didn't shut it down when he said no. I know I mean I wish I could see him play again because I just think he's so funny and I just Yeah Yeah let me ask you a question from Let's go back to the puppies one more time. What's more chaotic? Early merge voting or a fresh litter of puppies at home. Are there any similarities? Fresh litter of puppies aren't moving too fast. They can barely open their eyes so I would say. Probably early voting for survivor. I mean there's nothing more chaotic than trying to save yourself and not be the name that's thrown around. You have that as a back pocket analogy if you ever go play survivor again. What the Jeff Survivor. The game is like a having litter of puppies. Everybody's running around with their eyes closed. They can barely see. But you know they're trying to find out if I wanna say you got that now I know I mean I. I'm someone that never has those analogies that make the edit and so I'm looking for new ones so thank you file that away did like a legal pad and then you aren't aren't the analogy is getting more and more ridiculous. I can't think of any a lot this season. I think they've gotten away from it. There was I know that there is a couple. I wish I could so Sarah has done. A copy of the game is like a bowl of Spaghetti. I mean come on because you don't know where one noodles the ends and the next one begins. And now I just feel like ever a knows that the producers love allergies and so they're just trying to come up with new ones. I don't think I've ever done one. Survivor analogy one now. What is the game like Andrea? It's like litter of fresh puffy. Liked your house being back home with everybody. Do you have any analogies for that? It's like oh I know. This is an analogy. It's like me interviewing the cast of Tiger King. Who's telling the truth did you have you interviewed? Occurs Show Yeah I've been interviewing the cast and it's been an experience so I interviewed Jeff. Lauren Low okay interviewed SAF DOT. They're babysitter not their babysitter. Interviewed Saf lost his arm and then I interviewed Joshua Dial Alger yes was there when Travis shot himself and it's been crazy because they're you know they're telling me about what it was like to be there with all of this and honestly all of their stories. Mc nothing lines up like ever. Some people are accusing Joe Exotic of killing hundred tigers. Some people say they never saw any abuse. Jeff lows the bad guys. So it's it's crazy and it's been really challenging as a host because I know the tone of the interviews you know what I mean like. It's like with wacky tiger king but then talking about murder and all these like a felonies. We'll because they're excited about the show. Because you obviously which I have podcast with Bryce about it we got into it got into. We're very excited for the next episode to come out it's so good like it's so compelling and so. I'll be very excited to to these people and I can't believe that it's my job that talk to the tiger king people and then all of a sudden. I'm talking with Joshua. Dial about the details about this suicide. An and he's Joshua dial is not okay and he completely broke down on the interview and then I was asking if he if he if he's getting help Kennedy or anything we can do I. I've never experienced this sort of challenge hosting because I just I don't know you don't WanNa be laughing about Joe Exotic not singing music and then the next question is about tigers dying so it's been it's been a really wild to to do those interviews. So are you one side. Are you team? Carol Baskin team. Joe Exotic. Are you above picking sides in this? I'm not really picking any sides because I think that they're all should all go to jail. People I really do think that they're all guilty of something. Sale Baskin definitely killed her husband. That's the obvious I think that Joe I did. I think he did kill a lot of tigers and not for you know I. I grew up on a farm and so people here. Oh she kills. Sometimes you do have to put animals down if they're sick and dying inferring. And so that's a fact of farm zoo but I think that he probably there is probably some abuse going on. And also the fact that there's all these drugs going on and he he was a lot of impressionable. Young men ended up getting access to a lot of illegal substances and guns and a lot of stuff goes shady stuff going on. I mean drugs are powerful convinced to straight men to marry at Andrea Anyway. So that's what analogy be. Av survivors just like tiger king. Right your family. You guys have all these puppies breeding horses. Have you guys considered breeding big cats? No no no. I don't want anything to do. Opening a sanctuary no way not after watching tiger king. I will never pose with a tiger tiger. What's crazy though is so four on our show a couple years ago. We had some animal experts on and they brought on Little Baby Tigers. I were and they were using these tigers as away education about preserving them in the wild. I don't really know all the details but They brought on these baby tigers under our set and the next day after our show aired the segment we got. I think hundreds and hundreds of emails about our show promoting Gerald Baskin. It was yes it was Carol Baskin. `Skin yes so three years ago. Carole Baskin unleashed her followers and fans onto our show about the tigers and and honestly that was four cats and kittens. I got to tell you about what Andrea is doing and I mean that was also kind of before we've and realize oh. Yeah maybe shouldn't be having animals on. I think a lot of people think. Oh there's just these cute and we're talking about saving tigers in the wild so we didn't really think about it like that and now after that after Carol Baskin's Wrath. We don't have animals on our show anymore. Okay all right but you have not worked talk to any HITMAN or anything. You're not trying to see that. Bring your own justice. Carol Baskin Right now. I know that it was her until our booker told us. After the documentary rivalry between people now and Carol Baskin and the Big Big Cat. Afraid of what they call her saying. Oh Yeah I mean maybe there will be now people because people just had tiger king on their cover. Joe Exotic is on people magazine's covered. It's everything you wanted my exonorates. How many fire tokens to reveal? How you flew on her broomstick. This was another great piece of instagram content from Andrea flying around on a broom on instagram. So how many fire tokens to reveal how he did us. Ten fired him for a lot. Yeah so once I get those tokens I will explain. How did it more e wants to know is Andrea? Coming for anyone in are they. Ready a an allusion to H- you better get ready conman for you act coming. It actually says they're coming to you. Thank you to you live from my apartment. I'm not kidding unless okay it goes. I think the lyrics are now that you're in and what will you do? Then what's the next one he they're coming to you? I'm not kidding okay. I'm not kidding so must Hannah sent me the wrong audio. She sent me the same thing to the well. This is a great tease. She's going to be on the feedback. Show this weekend. We'll we'll explore everything about the brand new hit survivor song this weekend. It doesn't make sense that they're coming to you. Maybe she found a different file song. Maybe she rejected one. Yeah because why would it be? They're coming to you but but I was going off of the file that she sends. I don't think people even know she didn't instagram. Takeover and Robin is saying song on her instagram takeover. We'll talk about that this weekend. On the feedback show with Hannah. This is a question for you. From Tommy Guam is Andrea Supporting Elisa Orleans Campaign for Manhattan District Attorney. And does she want justice for the lost idle all the great story your last time on the podcast about how you your hidden immunity idol from survivor. Caramel in that went back and ghost island. And then you went to a party and Allies Orleans House and then it was lost on the New York City streets and was lost. Yeah I must've fell out of my bag. My pocket unless someone at the Party stole it. Okay well if only we had a district attorney working on the case of the PRINTING ELISA. I as she is such. She's incredible. I don't know how she does it. I mean. She told me she was running for office. And I was like what I don't mean I can't even take care of plants like I don't know how she does though. All honestly on my plants are dead. Unfortunately because I came to Wisconsin but I yeah I mean I really admire her and everything she's able to do so make sure you check her out. Okay seve Chung. Who's the better juggler you Dan Foley and how do you develop a refine juggling scales many of us in isolation with like the practice? So you you recently were. You did a video where you were juggling. I didn't know that you were a juggler. Yeah I love Jacqueline yes. Dan Foley was yes I think? I don't think he ever did it on survivor. Also have juggled all your life. Yes Oh my dad taught me My Dad taught me and then I actually so I went to school for acting and we actually had a class. That was all about juggling. No so I was able to work on it bears well but Ja- juggling sonnets. Weirdly THERAPEUTIC FOR ME STARTING TO LEARN SKILLS. It's great for isolation it's actually a few people have asked me to tutorials so maybe this is the inspiration. I need to do a little tutorial on my instagram. Cause asked me the other day said Dad. How do you juggle three balls if you only have two hands? I don't know juggle well. I've actually I'm starting to learn how to four four. Yeah what about bowling pins? Can you do that now? I can't do that. Why where did where to Dan? Foley Juggle I I. I think that he has it in his bio that he was a juggler. He does come across as a juggler. Set a debbie apparently issues. Yes okay did you guys bond over Juggling I. I don't think we ever juggled together. We did do a workout. One time from game changes which is really year even before Tiger King. She like the Tiger Bikini or as a piece I wonder if she's a care baskin's I I could see her being friends. Carol Baskin. I could feel. She's one of my dream interviews. I've never really gotten the chance to talk to her. But I've been dying to try to get her on because I really wanted to do a winner at war podcast but I have not gotten any. There was one time she said. Hey could you do it this weekend and I couldn't and then that was it have you. How many times have you reached out? Probably like three or four and she just doesn't respond one time. She did respond. I just couldn't do it the one time she responded and that was it. You should try again trying. Keep trying speaking of Youtube Tutorials Andrea Elizabeth. Richardson says pleased to a youtube tutorial of your many braids. The survivor braids. Well I would have to round up the troops and get three And who else did the braids was the best? Braider of threes really good. Yes read it all my braids for game changers Yeah she was great. Okay and then I would do some braids to. I'm not the best but when you're sitting around and have nothing to do. Yeah also Elizabeth said. Was there anything about Philip Shepherd that was uncharacteristically normal? That surprise you or that we wouldn't see in the edit. I'm a fan shelby. Says he's the original lion of survivor and then she added Tony Hashtag Lion King of survivor. And I don't think there's anything normal about Philip. I haven't talked to him in a while but I know that we used to talk. I think between Redemption Island and game changers in Rhode Island and Karen. And we would he would call me and then he would talk for an hour and then. I would just listen to phone call. I feel like that yeah. I don't think there's anything super normal about Philip. I I do. I like the guy but we kind of kept in touch between island and then Carl Moen but a lot of our relationship was just him calling me and then talking for an hour and then after an hour say Okay Phillip. I actually have to go and then that was. That was our relationship for a while. He likes to talk a Talker talker and then I think the last question I have for you is this is from Zadie Taryn Wants TO KNOW. Who's more indecisive? The survivors during the episode or kindergarten Andrea. Can I play the clip from instagram? Yes okay. Here's the clip posted recently of Kindergarten Andrea. It's up to you. Were going to school when do school lose all my Gosh? I we were watching videos and it was just insane to wash me as a kid because I was so indecisive also loved the drama. I mean if you can. It's so the clip on instagram. But there are no tears out. Here is invisible tears. I think I was just wanting my dad to tell me what to do and so I just kind of I don't know yeah. I've got one of those at my house. I would feel like that. That was like I think you need a nap. I think that that's naptime. I mean there's other home videos of me pushing my cousins out of the way so I can be in front of the camera was a weird walk down memory lane. Okay all right well Andrea. This was so much fun to get to catch up. I'm really glad that you were able to spend some time with us today. It's always I always look forward to when we get do one of these. Yeah me too. You're the best. Come on no you are. You've been always so nice to me and supportive and I just. I'm always happy that we're able to do this well. I'm always thrilled when you get to do it. And it's really that it's been so fun watching you and career over these last nine years from when we first saw you as a survivor freshman all those years ago and we were just starting the podcasts. At that time I know Miss Survivor. Never forget why didn't you juggle for Mr -Vivor why did you wrap? Oh well do the worm. I don't know because I have so many skills. Somebody sales hired. It's hard you know. Sometimes you have to save some of the skills for later. Is it true that you still want survivor to come back? Well Look Times of change and I love doing it back then but rob that was before the Internet. Got Nasty. Okay and I know that the reason you stopped doing ed because you were a lot people just taking it too seriously being mean so I I completely understand why it was the one and Natalie Anderson. She's back she's the she's the reigning Miss Survivor. And she's on on the season. But that the one where was Natalie Anderson versus Tasha versus Kelly Wentworth? And it was it was too hotly contested and it spilled over to the. Second Chances. Yeah I mean if if people can agree to be nice and then we have an and then it was spencer versus Jeremy Versus Tony so still half the people that were in the last one or on this season who on that answer. Spencer was instances the reigning Mr Survivor. Have you talked to Spencer? I saw him recently. Yeah that he that he is out here in Los Angeles now and he just moved out here with his girlfriend and They moved out right before everything like like the beginning of March. Oh Wow oh that's great. Though I remember I listened to the last episode that you did with him and his Spencer. I haven't seen him in a while. Yeah I saw him. He had come by here like for like an hour like the like the day. After he got the Los Angeles city a girlfriend was going on like an interview somewhere and he had an hour to kill in the valley so he came through talked for a little while then. Nice yeah connected. Well I know everybody unlike the this is like the survivor high school and you guys graduate and sometimes the kids come through. Yeah sometimes there's Middle School Women Middle School women come back and visit. I can't believe you're still here. I know I know you know. I'm just trying to get my pension all right Andrea. Wh anything else that. You're watching always like to ask people right now. People are looking for other like net flicks recommendation decides Tiger King. Anything else. You can tell people to check out. Oh what else Stephen gave us a book recommendation last night. Yeah I've been watching little fires everywhere on a Hulu with Reese Witherspoon and Kerry Washington and I really like that and I started back on Ozark. Good seasons are really good. Yeah those are the chew right now. Those two and Tiger King Okinawan. Oh and also if you don't the thing is I can never I never know exactly where it's going to be playing but I'm going to be on Jamais again on Saturday doing the binge this segment which I've been doing good. Good Morning America so exciting. Yeah I guess. Check your local listings. It's hard to always say where the first time you what to binge. Yes okay so. I don't know my topics yet for that. But it's Y'all you'll find out more on Saturday. Check it out again. Congratulations on all your success. Of course you guys are doing the People. Now show remotely. How's that been to do the show now? Not In person with everybody. It's been a huge adjustment. Especially since I went to Wisconsin and I was on my parents WIFI which was terrible the the slowest Wifi you. Its own as well. Be Dial up is so bad so then I had to buy a whole new router a whole new Internet service which still is kind of wonky like I'll have to restart my router if you times everyday and probably went through all my gigabytes. Doing this podcast. You're you're blaming me your Internet. It works cellphone plan. No it's weird. Everything learning how different. Everything here in rural Wisconsin. Is it the plan? You can only have a certain amount of gigabytes but the should turn the video off. It's it's fine. I like senior. It was it was totally worth it. I think by works in a reimburse me at least I hope so. It was no matter what it's worth. I'm so grateful to still be working with these times. Like we're so happy to have a job so paying a little extra for. Internet is just so worth it now. Faster Internet. I'm able to do interviews. It's been going really well. I had canal. Some of the celebrities can actually beat my parents so yeah so I had Henry Winkler on the show and I'd never you know I've never introduced my dad's any of this Lebanese face. I you know I'm not GonNa Ralph. Kaiser Yeah but my dad got to Henry. Winkler asked who I was with and who I was self isolating with. My Dad was right there and so I'm like okay. Never do this Henry. But my dad is a huge fan. Loved Happy Days Winkler was the funds for my dad comes on our and also is from that show. Yeah and so. My Dad actually got to meet Henry. Glare on the interview and I think they're gonNA actually played on the show because it was a cute interaction and then Henry is like. Oh we'll give me royals address and I'll send him this sign poster assign poster was the first picture ever took on happy days. And so it's it's cool it's been. It's really fun now that you are like we're we're both like you've like walked a mile in my shoes now. Andrea. You know what it's like to just be you know in your house and like in your pajamas and you can't do in your pajamas because you're on video but this is what we do the Amazon. The bottom yes yes. That's right that's right nobody nobody knows if I've warned genes in years like Who knows yeah? It's I duNNo. It's weirdly it's fun it's fun it's somehow. It's actually like more stressful than my normal day to day. Just because I'm worried about the technical issues with zoom in with my Internet but it's actually a nice comfortable feel people on Zoom because they're in their own home It's really chill. There's less pressure on the people end For like breaking headlines or just happy were able to do a show like so. It's been a really enjoyable and I was. I was kind of a weird. I don't know I think I got out of New York at the right time. Everything going on and so I just kind of in Chillan and I think I'm a better more relaxed version of myself and I'm in Wisconsin. Okay all right Andrea. How do people check out everything that you're doing on the show? Yeah so people now is at one. Pm Eastern time on people's twitter handle. They always tweeted out a couple of times. You can check it out there. Also on facebook also goes on Youtube shows. Live when you're watching it during the day so it's live at one pm the difference from doing it remotely. Is We actually record everything before because we wouldn't be able to do it live on Zoom So during the day like right before leading up to it goes live. Jeremy and I my co host. We will record certain stories. We pre-tape the interviews and then put it together. Yes you can check that out and then obviously GMA on Saturday listings. Yep The show your I'll I'll do a juggle tutorial juggling to`real where we put that we do. You have a youtube channel INSTAGRAM. I do have a youtube channel but I don't really do that much with it. I'm probably just. I'll just do like an instagram story. Or Something Yeah. I mean it's not that I don't. It's not that complicated. Yeah well people wanted. Look people want content right now Andrea. That's True Okay. That's fine and then you're gonNA come back and then we're going to do the podcast of the nicest survivors at least. Nice survivors. We're GONNA do a podcast of the meanest survivors and that'll that'll be the last episode of Rob has a podcast. Then get the series. Yeah just to give a teaser. Who is the? Who's one of your top? Ten Means Survivors. Rob that well you want me to spoil the podcast already. But he he's in jail So that's one of my tease say in. Okay all right there you go all right Andrea Belka. Thank you so much. This was so wonderful to get to catch up happy to hear everybody is doing okay over by you and look forward to talking against their and okay. Thank you so much for having me already there. You have it the Great Andrea Bulky. Back here with US. One of the really really fun. Great guests that we get to talk to you on the podcast and always a thrill to get to catch up with Andrea. Okay so we still got a lot coming up this weekend. On the PODCAST. I'm going to have our feedback show with Hannah. Coming up on Saturday on our rene nap is still coming your way this weekend. Season through seven of small wonder. I'm very excited about that. One and this week in survivor Angie cons is going to join us and then on wiggle room. We'll get into everything from this week. And this week's Wanda off also update you guys as well on something else that we have going on with. I've talked about how on the patron page where we've been taking all of the money. 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Talking with T-Bird: Tom Westman

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Talking with T-Bird: Tom Westman

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It has been approved by you I'm so. I'm so thrilled and excited, and this is what I keep thinking when you said yeah, let's go ahead. Do Season to talk with Tibor. How are we going to improve one? How are we going to? Think. We're all to a great rate. Star us off to a great start. As in gas. Legendary guest, maybe the biggest guests yet here on talking with T. Bird because. I never thought we would track down the winner of survivor Palau Tom. Yes Again, I have to point this out when you gave me the list yet last year for season one hires. You really really wanted. He was the first male that you given me. Yes, you wanted so. I've been warning him so badly, so yes. Okay all right, so we've got a really really good way and T. bird allegedly has more names in the hopper. We're going to be back on talking with you, but if you're just joining us for the first time, T. Bert Cooper is the bounty hunter of survivor podcasting. 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So. that a hero's journey begins with a call to adventure, perfectly fitting for our special guest today from New York Law Afford. This self described precarious, practical and competitive man won our hearts in season ten. Palau dominating challenge after challenge in the day's top challenge, threats wouldn't have a chance. Pass the merge much less get to the final two and win while getting no votes against them throughout the game. He showed no weaknesses. His leadership survival in social skills were right on point. This larger than life character was been asked to play on the twentieth season. Ever heroes vs villains, as of course a hero, but long before he was a survivor hero, he was a hero that followed in his father's footsteps as a New York City, firefighter, his accomplishments are many. He retired after twenty years from ladder company. One away in New York City. He will tell you how proud he is of his department's response during September, Eleventh, two, thousand, one, sadly, referring to nine eleven. Even with his health issues due to his response and work at Ground Zero. He said he has no regrets. It wouldn't do anything differently Hashtag, hero. He will tell you about the loves of his life. His Three Children Meghan, now twenty four. Declan twenty two connor. And how his oldest daughter Megan is his hero. To that I say it runs in the family, but we want to tell you is that he held his high school record in pole vaulting for twenty years. He has a passion for cooking. He volunteered for many years ski instructors to help disabled vets. I am so honored beyond words excited to introduce to all right JP fans, the first winner to win in their forties first firefighter to win one of Jeff, probst favorite winners nominated for teen choice awards for choice TV, Male Reality Star a motivational speaker who played a total of fifty three days. It was inducted into the. Hall of fame in two thousand eleven. As one of his fellow cast member said, and I quote Tom Being one of the most beloved winners ever I feel. It was an honor to go to battle with him. I introduced to you proudly, Tom Westman. Wow. Yes. Do you still have time for? that. You know the funny thing is I. Don't recognize myself and intro. I'm like wow who talking about. Gone. Thank you fever! Much was nice. TALKING WITH YOU GUYS! Yeah! Great to be talking with you, Tom. This is one when people ask me about like who somebody that you never talked to you on the podcast that you would love to. I've said Tom Westman. Fellow Long Island. Insurer yeah whatever you from. My family has lived in Wantagh for. Thirty years. Nice. A little further out I'm out here in. You'll save. Yeah, and that's where my My family is all out my brother and sister out in Suffolk County now so a very nice to talk to a fellow long islander and an all time. Great Tom. Have you been? Executed yeah life is great. Yeah, it's it's good it's it's funny to go back and go down the survivor. You guys. I guess fifteen years. I. had a call not too long ago from Stephanie Earth from Yes, my season just and then a few seasons following, and she was watching it for the first time, so she was watching ten for the first time with her three children, and she called up and said she was, but God, because I'm the same age now as you are, if you were when you one when he played, and my kids are the same as your children were when you were playing and I said well. Kinda the passage of time mocked the Kinda indelibly there. Yeah Yeah Did you follow the survivor winner season? That just aired. Yeah, yeah, it was a good one I. The challenges were great Of course. The characters were all great wish I could have been with them. So it was meant to be but Yeah, it was a great season eight winner I have to confess those rooting for the firemen. Not The COP but for Jeremy was. Don't Tony was a great win? Also so yeah. Do you feel like that? being a firefighter that we've seen the success of Jeremy also to come in be a firefighter and win the game. I is that profession one that prepares you for survivor and a lot of different ways. You know what I totally believe that it did and even the guys and girls that I was wore on my tried said that a few times they said well. We had a challenge where we chase each other around the circle Karen The mail bag. With whatever weight was in each one, and then at the past more than some dropped out, and after it was over great Gary Tomase like wow, that must be what it's like to get pushed down hallway by you. As as the fire officer 'cause. It was that you know and I told him before it even began I'm going to be out of be. It's just to get the job done so I kind of had that training and that ability was part of my everyday work life. people said it was. Interesting how well I got along with those younger people, but basically at forty one. That's was my job. That was my workplace every day. I was really tenant, and for company in Brooklyn and the guys were in their twenties. You know early thirties so. It wasn't too far away from what I did for a living as far as. Leadership and helping get the job done. Tom Did you. Did you apply survivor, or did you send a video Iran or did they recruit you? So, I did my ex. Wife was a big fan of the show. I really barely watched it rob. What's your season? I watched Amazon and more because Christie was on it, so you know I heard that there was a girl with hearing impairment on the show and my daughter, having lost her hearing meningitis kind of it was very interesting for me to watch that, and then to to be on the show and think about the challenges she was facing because you know. Night was twelve We're on the equator, so it's Kinda like twelve hours blight twelve hours a dog, and how much of a challenge it had to be, because a lot of the the bonding and the. Spilling Trust with your tribe was just talking in the dark and. Work Games and stuff like that so I was thinking of how difficult that must have been for her so yes, so I really didn't watch it too often or or or that. You know I was really hooked on it But you know somebody kept telling me you gotta try this. This is cut the you send. US, in one application and you know. It was pretty funny. The the casting aging called me. And I didn't believe too. Many guys in my firehouse knew that I'd sent in a tape and and up fishing. So when I got the call. Who actually sure that? This is one of my buddies lives in. They put you know for joke and so my first. Kathy from survivor Taming Group, and my response to her was CAV. You sound really sexy. What are you wearing right now? So there was a pause and like come on who? Doesn't. This all system among should never had this problem. I'm GonNa read back to you things that you wrote in your application. With? That was like Oh all right Kathy from. Sasha? So. Probably already moved me up the ladder like like God? This guy is so paranoid this he's playing games and there's normal life for. It isn't even believe that we're us when we call him. So! Yes, so then. Rolled along kind of had a feeling that they were. They liked being and we're going that direction. rob is you know they don't give you much heads up. You know you Kinda. Know that you should be getting time off from work if this does happen, but. It's probably just I, don't maybe it was a week or two hours before it's confirmed but So yeah, lightning struck once I went out. You know they brought fifty of south La I guess UH production. Look she over. You know CBS chilver. But told him at that time 'cause they said Oh. You remind us of Andrew Savage in. You know he was out here a couple of times before we found a season that was right for him and I thought they were kidding and I was like Oh that's right. Oh Map Asian will never turn per second. Try Out so I really felt ridiculous being out there out to be on game show with young children at home in a job. Yes, so it was Kinda I. Think it was a little of that attitude that had them interesting, but I I was. Really felt that way I would not have come and tried to do this again so. Did. You feel like it was clear when you were out there that they were going to pick you. when yeah I I did actually I was down the out of banks with my family one Simon. Somebody. A family from Ohio came over to talk to me, and she said that women say. Oh, you bumped our dentist from the show. It was kind of when you go out there. The almost everyone's got a adopted Ganger, and so there's you know to housewives to DADS to yeah so Do, Kinda. He's Kinda realize that's that's the guy I'm competing against so. I think the the application process and then. Getting on the show is. Almost more interesting than the show itself. It's You know that whole process was crazy. Pay Bravo I. Want to ask Tom. Tom Mentioned already about his daughter. Megan is twenty four year old daughter, and so this is what I want to start with asking you Tom Jeff Allam at the end of winters at war at the very end. Hey, did he? Did I request for Teenage Applicants Sixteen Year olds? I guess if your kids wanted to go, you know if wanted to play the game. What would you say to declan, Connor or even? Meghan, since you said you started watching season because of Christy Smith. What would you say to them if they told you they wanted to go out and buy survive if they were just sixteen. you know what I actually get called They were asked. We buzzards shouldn't do in that. I guess it was blood vs water. Yeah, I saw a new career so I. I wasn't interested in doing it anyway, but I also I would not have gone out with my daughter on that I think. I think it's a little rough point. A young person I think that you know if. You're an adult goes on, and they give you bad edit or come off. You said some stupid you. Kinda get. You go back to your own life and everything's okay, because you know. Who are your friends and family who you are I think for a young person it can twist them around a little bit and just confused like I think a lot of these young people go on. These reality shows like this and then think that you know the life is going to be out there. You know like with more adventures like that happening so I. Know Rob. You made it happen. Too many other people are going to find a path. To their brief moment on on reality show I. Do have three children though who all waiting for them to do. The children of survivors so I think that would be an interesting. There's enough of us now. Who have children who are in their twenties. it'd be kind of cool to see. Different families being represented So was. Thing, they could do for a future season or something. Maybe not even reveal early on kids. They are gonNA show. To See who will who you look like? Wait. Are Are you related to Russell, let me say. So Tom I. Strike to talk a little bit about Palau because it's such an iconic season of the show, and there were so many moments from that show with the the total dominance of the Caro- garage tribe, dominating Yulong over the course of that season, and in so many great characters. Is there any sort of pride for you? In terms of just that career is thought of as the greatest tribe that was ever assembled. Pride in that I think the whole season was great. You know I I know faneuil have favorites and they. I thought that challenge one believable I. You know thinking back on John. Is The challenge director, yes! He's the wizard comes up with the toys first of all the play on, and I think you know something I heard was that he had so many great ideas, but never had that clear water that we had in Micronesia to do them on, so that one was just so many challenges. If the challenge was in the water underwater with cameras, pulling trump's across the bottom building erector sets the WHO is. We went a lot so so I think it was. Probably the most beautiful I know it's been used. The locations been used a few times. Different seasons I, don't. I have seen anything as beautiful as Those beaches in Palau So yeah, and it was pride Really was crazy, watt sided team I. Mean You could see twenty people get cast ten people the characters. We are the you know the dad, the mom, the hairdresser, the you know the attorney so. And then the other ten were the I can be. They really were the beautiful young kids and We actually called them Crombie and Fitch tribe but when we did a school yard, take them where normally you wanted to discuss that talent and that strength and that. Between the two tribes, we all pick the people who are most like ourselves. So you know Ian Chill Stadi-. Katie chose me. I chose to new You know wanting somebody who's close to my age and. so we all ended up being much weaker and much older than the other tribe. So I'm sure the production was like Oh my God. This is gonNA. Disaster it's going to be a blow out. And then it happened the other way it which was crazy, but it was just. It was older wiser people taking their time. Think things through. And it just you know. Keeping stuff together so so it was. It's improbable to ever happened with two tribes. It was even more probable for it to happen with the tribe that the truly are pick them, and we ended up against a bunch of young kids but then you know just kinda better decisions and they were making. And you even aligned on the first night before the school yard, pick with Ian Katie right and Stephanie to go right. Yeah. It was Kinda. Ian and. I, it was you know just a couple of looks we actually. You know as we were heading in the boat to the beach. Road Kinda, give each other look like you know I think at one point I put two fingers on my chest, and into Latham, and gave him a quizzical look, and he looked around the boat. Look back me gave me a nod like yeah, and then when we got to the beach, we kind of avoided each other. We didn't even almost all right. You know this guy. Ashore flicker of intelligence behind his eyes, and it looks like he wants to talk to, so we got to meet a bunch of people and then went over and and. You know you and I, and then he's like listen I'm you know Katie I've been talking to her and I, so I've been talking to Stephanie. Sorry. Let's start with that. Is The boss so So it was really early is you know you talked about corporate? America and being able to pick your team and recognize the people who are going to work well with. This. A really good example of just recognizing who you wanted to go for the next thirty nine days wet so. so yeah worked out. Tom Can. You talk a little bit about what it was like when they first marooned. You guys on that each and basically you guys were thrown off the boat and or paddle or paddling off to your beach, and then you didn't. We weren't given teams until the next day. So what was the prevailing thought that was being talked about among the twenty people that were out there on the beach at first day. You know that was a great league by production just to keep us on balance. You know everyone's assuming. You know back window of different buff second. We don't have how come you know so. Maybe it's going to be an individual game. Winning, so it was that was Kinda cool that nobody knew what was happening, so we built a very large shelter and. Everybody got in that night near any go people But. Yeah, that was Just just another one of those curveballs and I mean now the game has so many. Multiple curve balls. You know then that unique. Set. Crazy. Do use like all the curve balls. Now all the twists immunity idols I duNno buyers. The fire tokens edge station. How do you feel about how about there's so many now? How do you? so all the changes down as were. I think things would have gotten stale and everybody would have known the formula and it wouldn't have been. As interesting If they hadn't thrown all the said I'm happy to have played school days. I. DO believe that it was about building social fabric out there I don't think the addict just anymore. I think that you know you're only as good as your last book. so there was a lot of talking. I think we got to know each other very well. Trust each other so i. kind of people sal well. It's also contrived. The whole thing and I'm like you know it's not too far different from what we do in our normal life, we surround ourselves with people who support us. People who? Have the same goals as we do, you know they trust you. Trust them, so right now it is, it's A. It's a kind of wacky. You know sometimes I. Think these people don't even spend time in the camp. Talking about their childhood, or about their children or their families or the thoughts on things, it seems like everybody's out scavenging, so it's kind of like an Easter egg hunt in some ways so but I also I get it and they just kept doing the same thing I. Don't think we would have been at. Season Forty two so This is a good point that you make because that in your season, I mean basically you spent the entire game with people that you were with between no tribe swap. Ultimately you're with this group from day to all the way until when each of these people ends up, getting voted out that make it I guess. You. Don't have any experience to compare it to, but I'm sure that must have been. Incredibly difficult as we saw Ian really struggling with which way he wanted to go at the end of the game that you're with these people four thirty eight thirty nine days. Yeah, you sort. Emotion! Anymore, it really was It was I laughed that. Looking back because everybody was so focused on. Jenin Greg as Palo couple, and they didn't realize just because it was to heterosexual men that the real power couple in the real relationship was. So it was, we were almost little. Hide behind. Their lovey W act, but if there were two people who were joined at the hip and And I yeah so so that that was you know. Because, it wasn't a romantic relationship. Nobody Sword. We're funding we were able to. To work together like that So yeah, it's Yeah? It was It just really the friendships or deep The trust was built. It was it was why you know at the end when things get nasty. Why did hurt so much on both sides? It's You know it was. People I think. Folks Watch the show at home in La. What you know what the Hell is person thinking that like they? Just they lost something at the end and they but you really are spun the lose it. It's you. you're under duress. You're not that you're you know you've been sleeping out when it ranges, so can it's. She sought breaking down a little mentally, and then you're. You're missing home and you've got rampant paranoia because you know that everybody's trying to now use on. You get down to like final ten. You still thinking. Of that money your kids money. These people trying to say my buddy so. That that you know people do come unglued. I think being older helped me. I think that the as we got deeper into those. Towards the end and people coming on a little undone, I think that I was able to bear down and just be like this is actually this is opportunity. People are are struggling right now. Do you think that's why? Ian decided to come down just the middle on emotional stress if if he was thinking clearly day one or two. What he what? He has come down. You know In will argue that? It wasn't I. think that I had in the and. I think that he knew that the jury I would win against him in the jury. That's why I was telling him. Agreement from day to was I said to him. You know we've been talking about you and I. At the end of that I'm never gonNa live you I'll tell you right now. I'm not taking your the end I said at. The end when it takes, you know final three and whoever wins that battle takes Katie to the jury. So that was a deal. That's what we We agree we do and. Eventually, it's what happened one. We were hours hours into five challenge I did I said Jim listen jumped down and. I'll tell you and we'll let the jury decide this, but I think at that point. He knew the jury wasn't going to give him the vote. He kinda early on. He would have gotten the boat over me. very effectively on the stink of every vote out on which we were I would laugh with him. Doing stuff, so he was just say he'd go to people and tell them you know. Hey, nothing I could do here Tom so cheap Hooman, so he resorted building a favor on the jury. But then in those last couple of days you've got caught in a couple of lies. You kinda came undone a little bit so. I was confident enough that I would wanNA. Jury vote and I was I jumped down, but if I had fallen off, and he took eighty, I knew I was out so there was actually interesting story at. Ten and ten hours into that thing. So. They weren't ready. They had no idea they blow things going to be over three or four hours There was a point where I just said to me. How long do you think this is going to go? and. I said a lot longer than you. He was like you. We expect them like I know you're not so the for a night shot. And he was. I really and. You think this is going to talk, so maybe it started around noon or one in the afternoon. I think. And I said to him I said think this is going to go to Dr and I. Sit in there. I think it's going to go to light, and I said I think some primer on one tomorrow. We're GONNA, pass out, and that's when side. So that wasn't what they were ready for a want they all sudden. You know guys from production started setting up the flaming barrels and getting ready for a night shot. Did you went the night at ten hours? They said I. You GonNa Switch at ten and a half hours I have our from many switch to one foot. So we spent the next. Twenty five minutes or so figuring out which foot I wanted to support myself on, and then I just decided. I'm not doing it and I. TOLD THEM AS JEFF I'm not. I'm not going to one foot. For that lead into a big argument and I said you know whoever's here from CBS and representing the show legal asset. These rules you set, this is the way I've played it for ten hours. You can't change the rules at this point and Ian just wanted it over, so he saw a rasping million saying. Let's go final battle you and I. And I told Jeff. My foot could accidentally hit the pole and I lose a million dollars I said, so. I said I'm sticking with it. The way you said this game was to be played and Jeff did tell me later on. He says a million dollar augument you made, but they weren't happy with nobody on the barge filming. Observing happy with me. I've never heard of anything like this before Tom Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pretty pretty interesting. How much longer do you think you could have stayed up there if you hadn't a major deal? HEBRONITES still be up there. Yeah. It's. you know I? was as bad as painful as it was. I think. You know. Having three young kids at home, and you know just you know the firemen sour. In the whole thing. It was I. Don't think that I could have been beaten. There so. Yeah, so it was a great resolution You know for me. But You know he and He. Did what he wanted do and and he is I mean he's one of the most incredible guys I now is so honorable he is. He is really that good He didn't like the way things ending grab. You know so. It was. It was a pretty dramatic season wasn't yeah. Just the way that Ian thing was framed the way that you're talking about aware that he felt like that he wasn't going to be able to beat you in the final two. It gets talked about like oh Ian gave up a million dollars, but do you think that he realized that I'm not going to be able to beat Tom in the challenge knocking to be? BE, able to beat Tom in front of the jury and so that maybe as one sort of like make good to Katie. Who that they had had their whole drama about where she was upset with him, and felt betrayed by him. That was that sort of like his way of trying to at least throw Katya bone there at the end of the game. I mean there's not there's not that much difference between second and third place financially, so should. There could be that but. has done this podcast. Now you'll have to ask him you know. He I do believe it was sincere i. do believe that you know he was like this. Isn't you? Know as he said thinks this is what I came out. It'd be the villain on. On this game show so so I think it was. It was him and you know at the end of the day. It was I'm sure as you know. He's a forty year old man now. He's looking back probably on. Let this old bag in my car And it was. It was game plan with that at the end it was. It was. I, it's hard to remember where your mindset was. Because then you watch it. And you see what the edit was. So I once. I realized that Ian that was playing me, and then that came out because he was you know he said if Tom Winston Eighty still my best friend, and if he loses, he goes home. I think that when it was clear to me that I was upholding are into the deal and I was still only there because I had won the challenge I think I. I thought it was GONNA lose the game and come back looking like a fool and have to face the guys in the firehouse. That's twenty one year old kid played in nfl for it, so so there was anger on my part I've been watching the time. I don't like the way come off. Site demolished though in. Regain my trick, you know. I don't know. It all got a little sideways and Shakespeare in at the end I certainly I don't think he was easily. He was plotting against me. What the game is it's. I mean Bentley. Breaking him down was part of the game, so that's part of the outwit and. So at the end you Kinda you. Worry about your edit looking like you know like Oh my God twice. This agent and I got played so. Yeah I'm not really sure That's a lot of talk saying nothing I guess. Tom We talked to Stephanie. Allegra carry are season one and we were talking about the. Guys are good friends. You referenced are early where we started talking. However, I wanted to tell you this she. We were talking about the challenge you Indian were doing in. She says she could attack in you on that. In the member rob. She said she said she could have at least at least on sixteen hours. So, could you have? Still, be up there so I guess that's yes. That sounds. Thing, that cried that thing out, and because how painful it was to be, you know. How long can you be a catcher's Crouch, but if you stood up? Your center of gravity took you so far out that it was all on your arms, and on to reach exhaustion, and then you go into catches crouch just if the buoy up straight. And then you know the burning legs, which thought so it was it really. was, like. Porsche session for twelve hours. But I've always said that had been Stephanie. Had it been Jenn Lyon Been You know some. Smaller. person who didn't have that higher central gravity. it would have been that much more difficult and out. In I think that I even had the advantage over him. I've got a size eleven. Fourteen foot on the same size ring. He's. Foot or so taller than me more than that so he he was dealing with higher center of gravity so so that I do think that the nightmare would have been up against you know autonation. Smaller woman! Really could've just stood on the ring. Where their feet fit a lot than mine or enes did. And they they wouldn't have leaned the buoy out as far as when inter I stood up. Would've that really would have been the night back to be going up and then credit They didn't think you pass three or four hours. I think kate was so off. They're and a half and. you know, blame her. She knew she was going to the final to the vote anyway so I. Don't you know but? She was that was tough. It was you know she hung in there, too, so yeah, so I wouldn't have wanted up there with Steph. Gen some of the people. Tom One of the things I think that was really interesting about your game. Was that you? Basically? He led this Karur tribe to all of these victories, but then you were in this position where you were so out in front. You were so much of a threat that you knew that all these people on your tribe. We're looking at you as okay. Okay well. We have to get Tom out now because he's so much of the leader that if we want to win the game we have to. Get him out of the game and you actually you spoke to the group about this about like. Hey, like You know I I, really would. Help. Get you here. Don't turn around and screw me over now i. just think that that's an interesting. Kind of embarrassing. But. You know. I kind of all my God now they can get rid of me. So I did try to say from. Remind you you know the the the challenge. Hog never wins these. Katie accurately said Yeah 'cause vote you out. yes, Saddam was like. A, little desperation and me get totally paranoid open. A good friend of mine because I had that that final group has out spot home a few times a friend once the out my God. What were you thinking like you know like? As a fan of course is friend likes me, so they were happy they didn't. But they will. Why didn't you white yet? An opportunity twice maybe needed and the group kind of always thought that we had more time, and so there was A. Lot of fun really liked each other I was providing food for them. And it kind I. think that they will afraid of you know. It's an off, dad. You just didn't want to do it, so they were like well. We time we get time. And then they didn't. Hey Tom on your first, the very first immediately challenged that you one or she went quite a few. I think I remember that a lot of the other dropped out for food. And we saw that at winners war when we saw him drop in all, these winners were coming down for food. Young play in for. More than a million. Play for two million so I. I'm curious if you would have ever thought about coming down for food. I can tell you when Kim's Bradley came down I was shocked. Your that wouldn't have happened to the other stories behind that also was. We had the visit from the to clown bushmen and they brought. With them. I. You know so I. Drank like I drink at home at one hundred and sixty pounds, and then one hundred ninety was at the time dehydrated. It went right to my head, so wiki of the morning of Shit I kinda. Or even with the kids. You know they were gonNA. See that you know have a bad night, so they needed to have a good night so I told everybody on the truck. Nobody's being with this I'm. Out There I'm GonNa win if there's food, get your food, but So I wasn't in danger. We need to I that they were not looking to me at that point So I think that's why. It didn't go twelve hours with some of those. You know that's why. Even Stephanie joins us. Yes, so for pizza. She's you know she's so fierce competitor. But I think that she needed to. Also she knew her. Fate is kind of in our hands, and like pitch landing, and saying you know you need to win. This one I'll let you win. she? She decided it was a smart, and it was I mean if she ended up there. You know and said no I want to take this from you. And would have been I are not on the same team, not so. I think that's what happened there. I think that I was just determined. That I was going to win that one, but it is crazy that you know. Somebody jumped out for a couple of donuts A. Million Dollar Opportunity was at stake so. A and also they were crazy in the fact that. How for them so jumped in for fourteen cookies like maybe one person jump in. Here played cookies. Yeah, it would seem like you wait a little longer. So I forget. Who made it who the last two were but they split a full pizza toppings that. That at least seem worthwhile. So. One of the best things I think you did was the way that you cultivated a relationship with Karen. Which I was really something that saved your game when the Group of Greg, Janning Katie were starting to come for you. You're able to pick up Karen and get get to be somebody who was reporting back to you even though it probably wasn't in her best interest. Did you have that in mind for a while, or is that something just? You know. I was looking at her as jury. I was looking at her as somebody. Who would give me a heads up when I was trouble. a lot of people when they're not in the numbers, they act against their own best entrance song. Like Karen! She'd get all nervous. And she's like who is it and I'm like? I'm working on it and she's like. Why is it million like? They're talking about you right now, but there's no way you do too much around here. And then, and when I come back and tell her we'll vote and Kobe. then she's willingly voting out the only shot that she's got a like of how you know other people who aren't in alliance. She's just happy and I. think that's what. A lot of people play the game foolishly is that they're playing for at that? Vote that night, and just to get into the next day, and you really have to be willing to play the game a little risky. To. Get to the end and get the money and. So Karen. New and I. Did I save a couple of votes, but I also knew that I was encouraged her favorite by doing it and I knew I need her. As jury bill or as somebody to help me out, let me know if some those coming up. That I didn't see Tom, didn't you? And I had I did a little bit of research on you perform. We started this and there was a rumor you that you and Ian hit tried to rose last two challenges to get rid koby, true or false. No No there was on challenge I was willing to sit out. In hopes that we didn't win, but was. It wasn't any throwing it I think it was a puzzle of something in Lagoon. Some kind of water thing yeah, I think. That out you guys sent. Was it, Greg in Kobe into a challenge against Stephanie and Bobbi John which you know all the last time I watched it. I felt like that's a weird pairing to throw out there in the immunity challenge. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it was. I was Kinda like. I wouldn't have minded having bobby. John Wall Steph on jury and I did want coby on the jury so I was Kinda. Like Hey, if they are just or if both of these people come over and play the game. I knew that Bobby John and I. Even though he was head to head all the time, we respected each other. There was always a handshake. There was always an not so I knew that. I had him if he was a jury member. and I knew at stuff, so I wouldn't mind team. Both of those people come over but yet I would never challenger or manipulated. Tom That's so intuitive view though because I mean obviously you said you did not will be on the jury. The vote you did not get was from county, so you had donald in. Something will get stuck it out, but I actually I liked Kobe I thought he was great in the challenges. He was the guy that we needed. For those a couple of them puzzles and you know moving the the big pieces. him being James on the sumo. Let's see. Like. The Guy Always delivered He's one of the hottest workers around Cam. He you know really whether it was gathering. Would or you know just you know keeping the place? He he was good I think that would happen. was when he realized that there was numbers that those five against four. Young really panicky and I. It was one we went to to get water one day. And I was trying. I guess I. Didn't explain myself clearly, but I was like. Yeah, like I'm not denying five of us, you know, and I'm just telling you. I was trying to tell him. Being number six don't be number nine. You're the next guy going home. And he took that as me, saying I will grant you the six place and survivor Palau and saying. You don't just stay close to the game. Stay in the game, and then when we all start flipping in the numbers, don't make sense and td and Jen then. Greg grabbed you than in an IRA. So I I don't know I don't know there's miscommunication. He didn't like the fact that I was being the leader and that they were listening to whatever I said there were moments where strategically he wanted to go, and we had to give a member up and we didn't know what that meant. So we didn't know if they were going to do like each tribes member and they swap try, so we wanted to be someone within our five. I didn't want to go finally in said, but Kobe was volunteering to go, but we didn't. We didn't want him to go because he could have been. Got Power from the tribes, so we just GONNA. Let that happen so so it must have been very frustrating from I. I lived. His experience, when I went back, and did the heroes vs villains, and you know they just. We had a group of people who were. Thomas stuff gotta go. That's you know from the beginning and. So? That was their agenda so I've seen the other side, you know. It's not as much fun. so yeah. You know so I have. Kobe always says that we voted a Mac. Because he was a threat and the reality is got. He got really annoying rank camp. He was Kinda like he was. The buzzkill was ruining. We were all kind of having fun at least five people who earn controlling the game. and. It was just enough this enough so That's why he went home at first opportunity that we had to get rid of somebody One Team Great Guy You Know I. Wish we had more fun out there. Just the numbers at lined up differently but that that's. That's what it was. I want to go back to something that you had said about how you try to tell Kobe that. He was number six. I feel like that. You tried something similar with Stephanie and I, think that that's like an interesting way to approach the game of to tell these people that are at the bottom like hey, you know. There is a group. You're not denying that. There's something going on, but we we want. We want to get get next to us and let's let's see what happens as opposed to. Compare it with Boston rob where that his game might be like Hey Kobe me and you? Let's go to the final two and let's not tell anybody and have multiple deals with people. was that something that you had thought about where that okay? well as Kobe goes back and says hey, everybody gets what Tom Just said. I was I was six outside. You know it's like yeah, okay so. It's a little bit more of like. The people can't necessarily Come after you with that information. So you know that that was my strategy was also not to make enemies of a jury member by lying because so when I did get. My final say. I didn't let any of if I told you. I was looking out for you and I do what I. That's what I did so Stephanie. Karen, any of those people What I said I would do I, did I did look out for them, so it was You know when they add to go there to go, but I was not You know I. I didn't lie, so I didn't make sight deals I didn't tell Karen Katie's out. You know to be human. I wouldn't do it. So so that that's one of those strategies to that. It's risky. To, not You. Know not lie to people, but at the end. If you're not playing, just stay for two more votes if you wish. To make it to the end, and then you have people on the jury will vote for you to get money. then you have to handle it, Kathleen that way too I, mean we? We've seen. Really, good players who are missing that part you know Russell. Asking me one time when I met him that. Oh, I'm the greatest. Don't you think and Do you your. Two legs of a three legged stool. You missing the whole social gaming. You? Yeah Yeah. Yeah, it was. Heroes Villains. On letterman. He won validation I'm like. Listen! To the game. Tom Let me. Ask you this when you you are allow you or the king. You did a nice job, and then you said how you felt going into heroes vs villains who she had to know going in like you said you in Stephanie People, aren't you out you. Gaspar or challenged based you're you're both extremely likable? Your social game was over the top. How does she feel after heroes vs villains in? Maybe you even faced during Palau when Jonathan Wanda. Get out there in Arles eliminated on day two. Can you imagine I can't even imagine what that would be ally? No I. Yeah. It was cruel blood. They haven't done that to anybody again I don't know Jonathan very well. I do know that she didn't. You know he really didn't go out of his way. to make personal bonds on that first day he was a little standoffish and. You know just. Little. Yeah Yeah I don't know if that. I've heard him that badly. That was just you know I think it was just you know just the way. People read people so. I don he was a victim of not reaching out and making enough contacts and Wanda was victim of just being the older person because she certainly made contacts with everybody. I have a lot of respect. You know you laugh and the music. The songs she is an incredible person. I think and yeah. And I think her not being on probably hurt her more than her. The rest of us I think you really was. Something that. Whatever Way Bodnar and so. A Great Lady, well that I don't think that you know this but one. That is actually a very big part of what we do on the podcast, because Tom we. We do a weekly Song parody contest after every episode of survivor inspired I want and it's called. The wants. People make up to fifty parody songs week to win the one. Yeah. So. She's like our patron saint. That's good. That's good. Have you done the cheat on? I talked to her I think like five years ago, but it was before we even started doing the wand off, and really what we started talking about the going back in talking about Wanda was that we were going back, and we did a Rewatch of Palau, and we were joking around about one day, and all the songs and we were inspired by your truck one. Oh eight t shirt from survivor Palau, and we're imagining that maybe all they that truck. was maybe a radio station. That that's a truck on your FM dial where. One to get played. Yeah. so that's a funny story. I I did not want to wear anything. Identify myself as a fireman or I kinda just wanted. I would have preferred to just have a blue t shirt, and just blending, and then let you know. Let me establish who I am with these. New People. So CBS was. I think that they wanted the nine eleven connection and all that kind of stuff and FDM why. So I, said no, and then we got a notice saying. To ballistic. Shoot out plow when you get there, so we also need you to send besides the thing close need you to send this what you win workloads. How so I sent my you know. buttoned-down lieutenants shirt with the bars and t shirt, and the t shirts approved, and I kinda knew when they told us. That photo shoot on my. Game I thought this thing, so that's why you had some people. Some the girls in business suits. Jackets so it was I think manipulated to get me in that shirt, so it didn't hurt me I didn't talk about nine eleven when I was out there. Was You know I think that they were hoping to get soundbites every time somebody would ask me something about the South Crew Leinen but. I was kind of careful not to. Use that to an advantage manipulated because then I never be able to come home sending my kids. That Have you ever shared any of your experience with nine eleven? so I was off that day and I live. Fifty six miles city. I happened. I got my car, and by the time I get in. Hours with down so no aerobics. was not those people who are. Marching up the stairs, knowing the things probably weren't GonNa go well for them that day. I really was just part of Part of the cleanup rescue recovery that next year. Yeah well, it's a lot of. Work with So you know horrible day, it's Some kind of trick of the mind for a very long time in my life, it seemed like it was a couple months ago and then all of a sudden something. Some kind of shift happens, and it's almost A. You know a dream sequencer, or you think of it as something that happened to somebody else that you heard about so So Yeah Unbelievable bravery that they guys who were there there's. One story of anybody is duty or saying you know. We gotTA GET OUTTA here they. The guys who were down there rescued thousands and thousands of people. You know going up and walking. People down in people have stuck elevator shafts and. They just they held their ground until they lost their lives so Is Incredible Story. So just It is funny, you know. Everybody thinks Oh. That's a guy who's on survivor and in reality in your life. It's a funny little story and it took thirty nine days. You life and it doesn't play into your life's biggest stories. You know and. I'm sure you feel the same way both of you. That so many bigger things have happened and things were more drama than be contested on survivor. That it's kind of amusing, though, but he's Kinda. You know. When I pass! Long Island News Day. That's GonNa be the start of your obituary. Former survivor. So. It. It, just kinda funny. The importance that that gets put on it when you. You know in real life it's. It's really just was crazy funny. exciting thing to happen. Tom Let me! Ask Sam this Tom. I wanted to ask him about his. He we we talked about this this week. When we talked that he's had some health issues. His lungs have been compromised and again. He said he would do. Nothing differently, so move over. If you don't mind me asking if you do not have to discuss this, Tom I'm curious preview. Now with the Kogo problem that is worse affected all of us all the industries. In so many lives and families. How has that especially in New, York? You know so spotlighted been spotlighted in New York. How. Has that been for Y'all up there? In that area, and then with you as far as having the compromised. Long. You're not eleven work. Yeah so. I. I guess as a new. Yorker, we were all more focused on we kind of. elmhurst General Hospital in Queens was exploding long before the rest of the country. Even realize what was going on, so it was a little more present I think. Early on I got word of people who I knew who died from it my former captain very early in this was still. It was still mid March and I got word that he'd passed from it so I think it was more present, and then because you know my lungs are they are a bit compromised from nine eleven, and you know the stuff that we breathe in down there. I Treat myself and consider myself somebody who is one of those high risk group so? I was pretty pretty strict and stringent about you know locking down and who came in contact with and. You know make sure that my son's in the house all the time her you know practicing. Just good smart health stuff so a lot of people. A lot of friends worried about me. a dear friend. Actually just the had me down to Hilton head for two weeks, and he had a cottage was working used, and he's. You know everyone's just like you gotta get out of that area and So. You know things are the relaxing a little bit, and were you know we've got a god up and. You know businesses do need to reopen, and I've got friends who you know. Bars and restaurants and have their own business and. Do need to get things rolling again and it is up to people like me. Who Know that might be at a higher risk than the average person look FM. Average person so Yeah so it's It's been wild ride for all of us in Alfavilli. Hopefully, we're starting to see to this. I. Heroes vs villains. His I think what I read what I read was that you said no, you sit, not fans versus favorites. Think maybe you didn't how? How do you do better than women once you've won I mean unless. You're all winners. Will. Or Federal Yeah. I know that I read that you you've said you would not vance versus favors I. DO WANNA. Know how? You would have done against that cast, but first of all you did go on heroes vs villains. Would you have gone if you knew before? If you had a little eight ball like Cup got here on my desk. Thank you wrong. If you knew that you were going to be voted out. J. Fourteen sixteenth place. Would you have still gone org? You wish you had gone on fans favorites. Do you think you would have done better because I'm sure? The fans gone nuts crazy over you like they did with Boston Rob. Okay so After Four. Aid Survivor happening and then. had. as a volunteer Hartford she's. So, you mentioned that I used to go out and help disabled. Skiers so all those things kind of came to a moment. It led me to retire at my benching by health benefits for life. so. One the prize or cushion, chance and I when it's corporate America as a group where. Salesperson. Hartford so selling Group benefits and I started their career. They called me offense favorites I can't. Just. Training. Sean the New Korea. just didn't make sense, and then they called me for. Look fresh water or told noted that. And then I, just call or I beams. The boss, my new boss, the Hartford was a big survivor fan. I just Steve the. Just got another call for them. He said he don't go I'll fire. Yes, he was, he said I'll. I'll come while you're gone. I'll deal with brokers. and. He said you got to do this fun for the office. Good thing so o'meara so I kind of had I think if I've done it before the second year that exploded a new career now little time and You know another adventure. Why not? So. No regrets going back I would tell anybody playing the game if you win it or get voted out early free not stuck on the jewelry and They lose a lot they. The couple of us up with with Stephanie and streaming, and we went to Fiji or a month and. You know for a guy who's got three little kids at home. Be Sitting on each in PG or for month was pretty incredible, so those a lot of scuba, diving and golfing and so That's kind of cool. They couldn't leave us especially in an also season. They couldn't leave us in Samoa because we wouldn't have been able to leave the property because Prescott said we saw right, you know Stephanie Story and Tom or out snorkeling the other day, so it would kind of reveal the boot auto so so that was a great trip so I have no doubt that You know it was It was a frustrating season. Knowing that. I think people like grouper, which just worried about? Anybody else might get camera time than them. You. Know Tom and. Stephanie. Everybody's sweetheart. You know that she's just going to eat up the cameras so I think that he really wants us off the beach. To it was yeah, it was not at all like the first experience where the first one to summer cam. Getting to know people into really like those people when you get a bunch of forms to live together. the conversation tends to be about what they did on their season and what they got for free after this in. You know I have a lifetime. Pass at this restaurant and you know all this kind of. It's just very very strange, and you know and with them targeting us So then you know it was great. Stuff was there, but when she was gone Colby and I got real close, but we will do. We run outside and really wasn't to. James, I don't know what was going on with him. He seemed like a nice guy in previous seasons, but He's been a whole out there and just aggressive and ask the in You know it was. It was a tough place to a really was fun. Whatever it was five against three I guess or five inch too much. Just Colby and I. Were you know less two men standing against their group? James Blows out his knee. He goes to medical and they send him back with a a brace from his ankle to his hip. So in previous seasons of survivor, I think we afraid of taking a band-aid for medical because it might disqualify this, so I really knowing that they can stick even though he was. You know useless challenge and you can do anything and you know tours, ACL or whatever did. Did They voted me out that night I really should have just told production I'm not even going to tribal council. You can walk to tribal council. That's fine if he needs a brace Walk Tribal Council, I'm not even bothered going so I kind of wish I dug in there. Yeah, just all them like like this is not okay, can't you? Know can't guess somebody up. Just to come back and and vote against me so. I'm white. Tom Because. You're the same guy that got them to not go down to one leg on that challenge you should. Have a one legged contestant. Not GonNa work out then eventually is it's an extra council that they're going to have to vote him out anyway, so yeah, yeah, you would think that production would rather have you out there than. A, hobbled James. Really appoint actually voted Tyson all Tyson after Tom. An from the villains yeah. Okay, okay okay. To Tribal Councils, one episode so Tom I think I was told to that that. Forty, three or four of y'all went to Fiji in Rob. Boss Rob James, enticing went to Australia. was there a reason? They split the groups up like set free merged to famous. You know what I think. The James needed surgery, or he needs something done and so feed. You wasn't going to be the place I think that to get him to make it. Sit near something like that. They. He needed medical attention and it just made more sense of that group to go to Australia. Yeah, because in survivor all stars when because Tom that similar to yourself that. I didn't have a the greatest experience either on my return trip survivor. And they broke our jury prairie trip up into two groups. There were some other extenuating circumstances, but you know part of it was that they said like you know you have these seven or eight like high profile people. If you guys get spotted in a big group like that, then you know all the more chances at the season. Get spoiled. Yeah. Can I ask you a question about that pre jury trip? Though because you in. Sirri had been butting heads to some degree on the island, but you guys were two of the bigger targets that were out there probably lie lien's if we were going to put it in terms of winners, a war versus some of the hyenas and you know in watching the season. It's like boy if these two could get together. They realized that they probably need each other, and I'd always heard that then after afterwards. You guys did get on the same page. Is that accurate? After the game, young an idol to US medal voter out oh. Yeah, we had a great time together. We played backgammon and you know Sirri is as wonderful as well all the good that you see of her and the sun and the openness I'm a huge three, then I. WE KINDA got a little. But Somebody warning me about three, and then that goes back to somebody else. Who Toll Sirri? Tom's been one to go after you so I I don't i. think that we both came out there and would just sizing each other up from opposite sides of the rain and it really it could have been a entirely different game. if you know she and I can this colby had taken the control away and then I think jt would. You. Know Gone along, but then you know the that other side the James, Amanda And Rupert side words. Would have could have should You know it was just the that's the way it went down. Tom Are. You surprised at the final four. All villains in with that being, said the foul three of the bottle three. If you had made the jury between Sandra, poverty and Russell who would have gotten your vote. To represent the heroes vs villains season. so. Number one I put no stock in heroes and villains, and you know. Yeah, you could tell me about how you live in your life at home and I'll. I'LL! Test Judgement on whether you're here, villain, but in the game. I don't think there's such thing as and I. think that you know that's we've wall. You know we all signed on for this, and it is out with now play and all that kind of stuff, so nobody nobody that was a villain tomato, so I wasn't surprised or shocked that either. Try. had representation at the end. so so tell me who the final three was. Russell Parvenu Sandra. Sandra Yeah So not a fan of Russell and big fan of Sandra I think. You know her. Ability to do the anyone but me. Thing is impressive, but I think that one of the best people ever played a game as poverty. And just a few chances. I didn't get to play with her on here as bill, but get to meet her at a few things she has. You know a magnetism that just pulls in and then she. and I think it's Legit I. Don't think it's game classic. She's just one of those charismatic people and that's why. She has been such a great contestant on reality TV. Is that people do get caught up. So so I think that she's played well. Rounded the details of the game I know she did. Broke up with Russell to move forward. Russell. A beautiful move you know everybody who watches the show agile. You always wonder. Why don't they both that guy off? He's so. She's so mean as I know you want, and that's you know that's the person you're not. GonNa let go so. so I think that was good game, play and so. Yeah. So you're Fanta Park that you would have voted for Sandra. So. I don't know I. I wasn't there. I was just A. You know just watching it at home and so I wouldn't have if I'd been. On the on the beach long enough to make the jury, and might have had an opinion mobile the other, but just watching it from home. I just know what I was shown so i. Wouldn't wait on that. Well I want to weigh in on this to you because quaint, Sandra. Her favorite I got this. I got this today. Her favorite all time winner. Tom Westman because this is what Houston she said because. Way Way. Yes, in this is a, she said her favorite all-time winner is Tom Westman. Because I felt like he always unified the tribe and keep them strong and together. Wow Wow your heart, your the. That's. He had. A. I guess it was one of the pre-game into. As he said you somebody there? Yeah! So. So yeah, so. The, most Andrew Love now. Now just yeah, Yeah well, and you know what I love. Not Staying on the island on this kind. I thought that was like I. Don't need to do this. It's like you just You know I couldn't have done that, but I respect I. Took another shot at this thing This one probably isn't going this way. I'M GONNA go get a shower and the cheeseburger bill kind of. Her unlike swagger of. Are just saying no all good. And Tom? She actually told me afterwards that she said that. Some of the a lot of the others that were out there with our said. They wish they had left to, but like you. They're. Strong competitors. I guess quitting would be quitting, so yes, she. She told me that afterwards. I thought that was interesting. You ask to play. War? No not even phone call so I didn't. I didn't even get a check on that one so. yeah. That is shocking. Yeah I. I don't know the you're. HOW OLD SANISH! Liar, but I don't know maybe a little ageism, but You know I certainly was not going to. Under like I did fifteen years ago. But actually might have worked in my favorite where they're like yeah. This guy is you know he's outs faster and. Worry about him. Say Rob. So Rob. Tom Would have been fifty five when they shot last year. Is that right well? How Tony Tony is forty five. This season but I think she's in her late. I think denise like forty six. I think that she was the oldest. Yeah That was the oldest. Speaking from absolute experiences, a big forty, six, fifty, six, so You know it was I i. was it just don't work for me? I was not I wasn't in that shape at thirty one. Met Forty one when this? Gift Cana landed on my doorstep. I decided you know I still wanted to work in a busy Brooklyn. Truck Company. And it was gonNA take. Getting on the treadmill and get in the weight room and all that kind of stuff, so we more work thing. It was kind of like. You know semi retire and go find a acquired a firehouse to work in or get in shape, and so, and then that led to meet side knows gonNA run. The New York City Marathon, so actually missed the marathon that year I showed my number because it took place while we're in Palau and then ran it the next year so Yeah, it was so I it just you know timing was right and Just worked out. Yeah, but you were a legendary high school athlete, right? Well legendary Adam. I was applicable through which as the guys, my firehouse or making fun of me, they were like well. This whole survivor thing kind of makes sense because He's terrible athlete. He does stunts and over. Sport. and. Strength Right. It is it's course strengthen, it's it's being a little crazy and not working too much about your personal well-being, but I really am not like. Take like my buddy Terry. he's an athlete. You know he's a baseball player at Annapolis when he was on calendar. That made sense because that's his ability. You know like throw this ball through that who are due out and catch this I was terrible at that kind of stuff so I've always kind of. Figured out the odd stuff. And to accelerate that so. Survivor perfect example of you know it almost is like pole-vaulting. Take this bowl and jump over that stick and you know so It was funny, I when I realized to John. Was and who was who put these incredible? monstrosities of Challenges Together, and as we're going in its beating up I would always look because. As you guys know on the day of a challenge the one hundred people watching who are all part of production, and they're behind the cameras on whatever side the cameras are all lined up. Film Me Challenge. so as their day, get away from the paintshop electrical. Carpentry or whatever they're doing. So I always look to John's team at the challenge was all ranking comes up like you know Atta boy, you know well done. That was incredible. And so. There was no words exchanged. There was a mutual appreciation was building, and now later into the game and. Beaten and bloodied and exhausted then I would look over and Shoot Surfing That he's a mock, yeah. We're finally getting into this guy so. it's why I ran into so Gary Dell Body from. Yeah Yeah I run into one day in the city and erects as I. Time from survivor on my. You're the guy from the stern show, and that's the we start talking. I didn't realize that they're really tied in with the show, but I was like. Oh! You know. Do you know what the last challenge was called? It was Bob, Bob Louis. And she was like I've got a picture of you and. And John Deere Hop ahead frame an initial sketches as a photo being an eye on the booties. And David to guarantee you might be in his family room or something, so it was surreal moment round. Play Oh my God. I. Know This guy from the stern show, and he actually told me our calls it. The therapy Brunette show you. GotTa. Help me with that. Why and he said when I was a kid? That was the one show that we'd all like Kinda. Pour into the parents bed. We'll watch the other as a family. And he said survivors that. Elman now so and that I'd like little stories like that is the funniest thing that comes out of this when you know years go by and. These little connections and Y'all actually met. That guy wants and so. Ethan walked up to me in the city on a corner one day, and said Tom Palau and I just thought it was a fan I'm like he's like Ethan Africa now. So. Just Eventually we're all going to have our fifty minutes and we're all going to be some reality show, so you might as well pick survivor a best friend. Hey Rob let me jump in, so there's Tom in their Ethan Mattew New York heroes because I think of Ethan just like I think a you, Tom. You guys are both. You know. You guys are both amazing. I think the world of both of you much much much respect. Okay. I just decided I rob. Yeah Yeah. to you for on Ethan You Know He. He's the one who called me up and put me in touch with you guys to do this. East and is it roundabout like that one brief meeting that time my sister. Leukemia beat it. She's ten years cancer free, but she was on the same unit. That Ethan was on loan kettering in New York so all the nurses who are taking care of my sister every day. Took great pleasure in telling me A. We know who you are. You're not the first survivor win. We met so without violating any laws and saying that they traded in zone at the hospital. I knew who they were talking about. And I shared that with recently and that's when you know I-, slotted conversing in. Kinda, you know him me with my lungs and Tamwe. This cancer battles kind of talking about. Staying Safe Molko ovid thing. But. He is a great guy so yeah, we love him. Yeah. Thanks. Tom I WANNA. Ask You about another conic moment from survivor Palau. Can you talk about your battle versus the shark? Shark it's so. It's funny because I've got a lot of friends out here in Savo. Really good fisherman and I'm not and I. Don't really fish that much. Voting for me is more going to the beach at fire island and. Out a beach chair so these guys fish all the time and they. Kill Schalck's all the time, so it drives me absolutely crazy. I'm known as the shark. Hiller from Seville so It was to me was once again like stunt. It was not thought out planned out. Was it really was borne of frustration? Would see these juvenile great shocks. Chasing they kind of would come in and hurt all the FBI right onto the beach. And one day as they did grab the Shetty ran out and right into the middle of them and took swing got lucky, and because not only to hit it. I hit it right where I was coming from the back towards the front and it went under. The Scales and cut the thing nearly in half we added to the beach and tried to. Cut Its head off. It was like. Like hitting it with a machete was almost like hitting a basketball with a broom. Stick it just. Was Not happening so So it was kind of a fluke. I think the tribe thought I was going to be able to go out and do that every day and we ate that night because we really couldn't. Refrigeration so whatever we got, we were starving. And then really got to fill ourselves so And then whatever was left, we get to use as bait. To start to catch all the fish so She was a cool thing it was. Just one of those. Two! was telling me once he said you know Burnett would call in and every day they do catch up. And they kind of Said you know we knew. Be well to well and be a leader and all this kind of stuff. But as I started. Excelling at this thing, and he said he's calling in and giving Burnett the updates every night, and then he's like. Oh, so what the firemen do today. Make Kill the shock with a machete. Snakes stop it. You know so Yeah, so it was just one of those moments we. We really were you know Ian Greg and I will like three kids. You know floated down the Mississippi on a raft I've met adventure. It was so much fun. Those were great guys. To do it with We laughed all day. You know It was we were up for anything. Going after snakes. We have a lot of trouble for that, but. Yeah, so we were told the only thing we need to avoid was the snake and then. Jenin Greg went for a walk cat and came back and said we're supposed to. Think that their secrets, so the secret is ten times more poisonous than a Cobra or rattlesnake, the not aggressive but. If you mess with them. They'll mess back. To when we got down there and realized that they were secrets, we decided well. Let's do this anyway. In their head down and chop it off so we got to them. We have a lot of trouble. production the producer on the beach, screaming yelling at me because I guess I'm author of the tribe. They wouldn't let us eat them and. not knowing where I think they're a food source. There you know I knew already from reading about the civic and kind of getting ready for. Any kind of survival situation now knew that. Their bombed and raise food in Japan so, but not knowing where we'd cut the head off if we rent a poison glands. They wouldn't let us eat I'm so. I was negotiating that they needed either five pounds of chicken cutlets and change for the snakes, but didn't work out, yes. Tom Such negotiator. Yeah. Well, you know how. Like uh, Cohen an actors strike, you know. Oh. I it really. It was the first season that they didn't give the contestants any staple, so we didn't have any rice, no beams anything and they said they should be able to get it out of this. Marine Environment here, but not knowing where to draw the line having a line to drop We were just GONNA go out there and be able to find food, so they kind of the change strategies why we won that visit from Edwin Joe to pick men who came in and. Fish and then we're able to do it. Yeah, it was great. It was so. They were a little moments like I just appreciated being there and so to me those two guys. And then also a few of us one that we what we went to the by which is their traditional chiefs meeting house and have a meal and they. Did you know a little? Village came out and did a dance, and it was very That was very emotional. Your Captain Cook and Arriving in the you know. Hawaiian islands and they meeting. Authentic. Been Actors, they might have been a dance troupe I don't know but. That, that was a really cool experience of. Hey, Tom I know that rob just said that you're right negotiator but I've also been told that you're a terrific storyteller. And they have an incredible. Musical theater tunes in your. In your your Noggin. Got Anything or US. No. Disappoint View that. that's funny. There was a lot of thing yeah. Yeah, you. I'll tell you who told me if you give me some game useful tune. Cheaper. Bright Rob. You'RE GONNA see wandered yeah. WanNa do it. I'm won't. This so what I what I was kid I was in Saint Margaret's Greek club and we put on a lot of. Rogers and Hammerstein and You know Richard Roger Yeah, so we we did. There was a lot of that a couple of places in South Pacific fiddler on the roof and all the stuff, so he and also was in musical theater at Penn State. And, that was Kinda funny as we're seeing show tunes by fire, which of course none of that can be shown because they have they royalties on music, so we use actually joke that if you wanted somebody out, just do it to the tune of happy birthday, and they'll never be able to show it. They could royalties on it. Couple of we were doing a lot of fireside. Sing alongs, so. I don't know who told you. This. Okay this. This'll give you somewhat of maybe a clue. This particular person also told me that you love US quotes from famous leaders, so maybe you could give us one of those. They said although the word. Skew those quotes have become. That you love. Swimming. Yeah, you know what? Was the other doing that, but I Yeah I got a lot of stories. That's people will tell you I am. A student of history I love reading and. So, yes, so that there's a lot of teddy. Roosevelt and Ernest Hemingway and You know Winston Churchill stuff coming out of my mouth sometimes, but I also think you know like any of us who are in hard times now I think that you do realize that there. You know when you if you unstained history understand that we've been tough spots before we've got through it You, know it's. who used to some of that stuff? Probably rebels automatic. I can't deny that. Did you. Did I read that you had bombeck the study history. You know I did yeah. I was a Binghamton by left for years. And then went back to. Queens College for a while But it is I had a fantastic teacher. Dick Salmon and Archbishop Molloy High School in Queens. Who are you talking about giving if t? totes. Storyteller. He made history come alive. So so many things that we studied in high school. We don't use I've never ever needed that geometry I don't think anything or Algebra I've never had to you know figure out that the volume of a cool but. This teacher in particular kind of handed me. This the the gift. Appreciating studying history, and and you know just kind of stays with you for life so. Do enjoy that. Kevin. You get to make your own stories and. Well I'll give you this sheet. She said you're terrific storyteller. This girl played with you. IMP, allow in thanks. You are the absolute best, and that would be Katie Gallagher. Oh she is, she's the best so. Katie about Katie for a minute We stay in touch. You know. Catch all the time. We're still make each other laugh and. Katie like people. She didn't give the edit that she deserved everybody afterwards, trying to say that it was fair. You know kind of trade who are on what happened out there? Keady didn't show. Are they? Showed her snarky side at that roof. Some people way, but they didn't show how funny she was. To the people who are in her group, so they didn't have a villainous, and so she kinda got to get the role of the heavy but in the same way you know, people say White Keep Tom around well. Getting US food every day, and he was you know. Keep the fire going all night. pity had US laughing all the time, so she. If you picture yourself without your IPAD. And there's no no. No Saturday night live, and there's no, there's just right, and then he is doing plays and doing puppet shows with dirty socks, and all of a sudden she decides she's an old lady, and she grabs a branch of a tree, and it's a game, and she walked around like that for a few hours, being the Old Lady It was just funny so so she is. She's great She I. You know she was also I really. Didn't know the game that will in didn't know the game that will. And so she was also. Are you know she was our coach? As far as I, this is going to happen. There's GONNA be car challenge coming up. This is going to so we kind of relied on her to understand a little more about the absolute game. Fish played a great game. Like you, said she her edit I think was not as well deserving. Kinda got beat up at the end on the. You know the jury and all those people immediately regretted anything negative that a tour. But I think you know production kind of winds up the jury. It's different now. It seems to be just like town all where people just off and have a conversation. But. Every juror got to get up and have their moment and production gets. Those people fired up and says this year less chance to play the game. You get influenced the outcome right now, so they start up a little resentment and. Do you know and. Greg went after Katie and as bad as Katie felt. From it I think break felt worse as soon as was over so. but we all you know everyone made their peace. we almost gotten a lot of trouble. We did get a lot of troubling to normal hitting live trouble The final crew came out to my house to stay with me for a few days while still wearing, so the show was only halfway through. And they all came out sable stayed at my home, and then we went into Saint Patrick's Day in the city so I was marching with fire department and I had crew from plow. Not Realizing what the new world is even two thousand and five I don't even think I owned a cell phone at that time. But I got a phone call saying. Wow, this picture. You guys all over the Internet so people taking photos and that kind of disturbed that whole you know. Fourth Wall of production that. We were already home that we weren't still on the beach. Waiting to be visited began by your. By your television set on the next Thursday night. So That was that was bad. We weren't not supposed to be anywhere near each other until the show wrapped, and they'd been a finale and the whole thing so. What it was all so I've had a lot of good Saint Patrick's Day. That was the best one I ever had One of my friends did he put money on a bet in Vegas and one. Because he said no none of the other contestants reach into the pocket once. Day and I bought I bought all the beers. At one. Tom. I've never met Katie. Have you met Katie raw? I've been a bunch of times. She just at the ten year anniversary for rob a podcast. I well, as soon as I reached out to her, for Tom, she got back with me and I could tell just like Tom saying she just got very wicked. adorable sits humor. I'll be right away. Messages she sent me so I look forward to meet and Katie yeah I'd like to. Wait to meet her. Aren't well. I have actually a couple of people. Other people I talked to, so if you're up for this Tom let's see. I have one person here that I talked to. That has given me three adjectives for you. So. I'm going to narrow it down for you. They were either on. Survivor Palau or heroes vs villains. Does that narrow it down a little bit? Yeah a little bit. twenty-five. High is. Particular Person. This particular person they had. Hay Day they describe. Silver Fox. In a bad ass! Okay well all right. I think my Stephanie. Asset give me one guest. All Right Stephanie. Watch him when. She said that she goes You such beast, so she used that word. That's right and. Yeah, we'll staff. It will stabbed. You didn't hear the. That was based. You've got. The floor, Tom, it's a long story. I'll tell about life. For All right, so you're a man, you're a man among men. She loves you like a brother so. She's crazy value and she says she could attack a new. She could in you at least sixteen hours. On the poll over the water. Thing because that's what she said all right now. I. Would not have. But. Don't forget Tom pole-vaulter. He has experienced hanging on their. On A. All right. So this next particular person said that Again I'm going to give you a clue. Somebody from survivor, Palau or heroes vs villains. said that you were a hell of a competitor. And that you can limbo like no other. Name! Yeah all right? Benjamin told me this is great. Okay! So that was somebody who made the trip to Fiji, with Bay, so I'm GONNA say three. I didn't hear so rank. Nobel. Nobel Yeah I think the only time I I. It was limbo. Test on our. You know non-jury trip. To Fiji So. I don't know who else could be. I well you. You guys went diving together, and you had a vote canyon! Proud to show your where the baby castaway? That's. Yes, he says you're. Better. It Yeah, and this is so fun. Rob Listen to this story so randy precise. Tell me that at the resort. Where they were staying in everybody, the resort was in this limbo contest, and here's Tom May remember when Tom Plight Heroes vs bill and he's forty five. Rainy Way Andy said he beat all the people in their twenties in the. Contest forty five years old. Just being voted, steal a competitor. Yeah. Yeah, it was so we were in all of my guests, each calmer it was. It was an island and we had beautiful bungalows on it. And, we were in there, and it was much backpackers. 'cause they also like you hostel on the island and they're trying to figure out because we went in since everything's on CBS time I walked in and with a crowded bar set to the bartender. Get everybody in the Bar Margarita on his. I can't believe nobody recognized. Siri, or you or Stephania Randy I can't believe that, and then randy was saying how y'all went diving, and the boat captain took y'all out, and we're showing y'all. Where the island were cast away with Tom, hanks spilled then he proceeded to show you that Alan where? Survivor was found having no clue. Survivors! Castaway island and he's been the cab said. Do. Do you know that show survivor and the state somewhere like? He's like they filmed that. Are That island over there so probably very close same place where the filming now were most of the mostly filmings going on. But. Yeah, that's we we did. Yeah, this was incredible I that was my only regret in. Staying to the very end of winning didn't allow to dive cloud, so that's probably the greatest place in the world to dive. Yeah. Yeah, but you wouldn't have won the million dollars high. Is it true what Ben said from winners at war? He said that a million dollars is not what it used to be. What did he say something like? He said it's crazy. HOW QUICK A MILLION GOES! That's what visit. Did you. Did you find that to be True Tom? It's It's like enhancing money. It's not life changing, you know. I left arm, and only to go into a different job and try to make more money than I was those arm and it wasn't like. Oh, I don't need to work anymore So what do you do you buy something new car. The roof on the House and Fortunately we will you know smart for the time we put the money away, but I think one hundred grand for each. Entity, a million dollars for a New Yorker and state, tax and steady tax. All this is five hundred forty thousand. so it's. It's an ice. Dumb buying it but. At the end of the day, it's not well. I think sometimes people are disappointed that you bought a Volvo instead of. Body I don't think that they understand. That Especially on Long Island right rouse. Islands also. Yeah and in from Ben's perspective, also probably better to win a million dollars in two thousand five, then in two thousand seventeen. Probably a little further. Along! Yeah, or in two thousand and eight right after the financial crisis on the market was down. And let it ride, Oh, yeah! Five thought so great. Yeah, whatever I put away in the five twenty nine plants Takata. Good hit no wait, so yeah Yeah, the. There's that whole question you know. Can I moved to Texas a Florida or a non. State. That doesn't tax you because yeah. Almost one hundred thousand is going through the state tax. You know good problems. Paying those taxes, Tom Probably used a pretty good chunk of his money on on Saint Patrick's Day when he took the Palau cast on. SITE CRACKER! Stay all the beer it probably. INCH! Well I will say this. Some of the sweetest times that we did have were. They would come up. You know everyone will descend on my house. The people that we. Store with and talked about and. You would think that you wouldn't talk about food when you were starving like that. It's what we talked about. Yeah, so I would describe recipe. I think Ian and Greg so that they knew how to cook when they got back from the experience just by me, explaining how to make something as basic as call up on or things like that so to cook to those people and to. Crack open a case one everybody just diving in and unlimited. Booze was just so it was such a great experience because we had been there where you know. We were arguing about who got the officials eyeball And and just A. Highlight one of the best people of our crew. Jenn Lyon, who unfortunately we lost who I just can't say enough about that woman she as. Beautiful as she was the outside she was. More beautiful inside that she was it was. It was nice to become her friend and get to really know her because I would. Laugh with her is like listen is a lot of pretty women in the world I've never been to shied talked to somebody and play met you on the beach that they like she took your breath away. She was and then when he got to know where she was such a special special, so having her in my house, and as she was going through her battle and stuff like that. We, miss her. I know We all do so. so yeah it. It is a crazy thing. How close she you become what those people and Not Everybody, but you know we did of a unique group there, I. They just had a zoom chat the of the day, but I was on. The road could join in So. Very lucky is. Like You know if somebody asked me that some your survivor experiences lucky. It's winning. The game is is is luck involved in that city on the show is mark but the greatest luck had was folks that ship beach with and. Got To know just you know. Let's see you don't need them all the time and this still the bond exists so almost like You know high school. t made her something that. See them at the reunion and a break where you left off, but You know so. It was just the whole thing was great. Experience says nothing negative came out of it. I've never had a bad moment. Because of my survivor experience told been. Overwhelmingly positive and fun and even. Like you talk about your friends having the ability to abuse you and make fun of you. you spend a little time reality TV. You've given them a lifetime worth of material. Tom Had. You ever connected with the other Tom from Long Island, who had just one season thirty nine. You I. Didn't Yeah, so Long Beach Guy. Hi Yeah time she and so. A few people that I know him or no, his dad or This. kind of been like. Oh you know the other guy so There's been a little bit of that. I know that my daughter connected with him on facebook in I'm not on facebook or anything, but my daughter sent him. You know a connection and just said. You're not gonNA believe this, but you know. My Dad's the other one from Long Island so that they had a little conversation nothing. I'm sure that will best across eventually. Hey, Hey, rob, let me give Tom this last. So, so many of these people are reached out to were so wanted to be part of this for you. Tom So this the last one that I've that I've got here. They described you as persistent. unbiddable. Inevitable. Egypt on Survivor, Palau or heroes vs villains to narrow down. It. That I I can. Arg Is it okay. This particular person said he deserved to win in whipped my at. The three words again. Persistent. unbiddable inevitable. Bobby John. You, Let me tell you this. This is interesting in when they gave me Diaz I'm like wow, that's that's a big huge compliment Tom. Not that I'm surprised because I got compliments from. But he's the one that also said was not did my opening intro for you? This particular person said Tom Being one of the most beloved winners ever feel. It was honor to get to go to battle with him. You give. Give Up. He's the only one he's the only one that didn't get your vote. The didn't give his vote. Oh right. Well! That's that's nice. Thank you here, What Is it. Yeah, you know it's so. I'm glad that I said all the Nice things I said about him on prompted knowing that he said something nice about me. which I I wouldn't know. How we felt or if he was still angry or so that's that's cool. I like that it's Obviously! We both have the game in the correct perspective and. I think you said it best and I think Robin. I feel the same way you you go through such experience with these sixteen or eighteen or twenty people have many apply with you. Come out of it with a respect for each other, and usually it's a love of family love, and there's some people that you might avoid occasionally, but you still share this common thing that brings together when Kobe Kobe said all this incredible incredible stuff about you. It's again. I'm not surprised. Kobe's Mason got to so I'll be glad to hear that. That he's A. He's happy. Each doesn't hold it against. He was angry. I guess. You know on my. It's. It's one of those things that you never really sit down. Have a drink and talk it out and you know And So I. I I. Totally. I'm happy to hear that that he feels that way. Would like him to know that Aqap same way about him. Well Tom Thank you for spending so much time with us. This was. So incredible. Get to talk to you. I'm sure so many survivor fans. have been absolutely thrilled this entire time. Cool Yeah. This is great It's Kinda. Like you said it's It's fun to go down and. It's actually was difficult. Because you really. You really have your memories of the game. And then what sore on TV also and I know you to both of experience that. somewhere in there is the story and. Can Hope. Everybody else's starry yeah. Tom this was really really fun for me as well I'm sure for T- bird and this is really a great one to get to do. Happen to be here. flattered that anybody would even care about a game from fifteen years ago, but Yeah, it's it's fun to share with you. Tom Listen to this so rob total back this back story, Pro Quick Rob so when we started this talk of tapered last season one last year. Rob gave me a list a very very short list of survivors that he wanted. You were the first male own the list that he had. Very short list. I owe her the next on my Tiba. So anyway. So Tom Arguably arguably the most well liked and beloved of all the survivor players, absolutely still after going through season forty, and I'm guessing the best way for me to close. It is what Sandra said. You're her favorite all-time winter again because. You're always unifying the tribe, and keeping their strong together, and I think that probably pretty much sums you up in your everyday life, too, so thank you so much. I cannot again tell you how thrilled I am and I know the rha listeners are gonna go crazy nuts over this one. Cool, guys, thanks for having me on thanks. For give me a little walk down memory lane here and Yeah, let tuning in because I want I want to hear the show and to get on here. I'll go back and see wells for my season on. But Yeah, it's good talking to both of you once again. It was one of the most fun things I've ever been involved, and there was one of the great moments where they had was when the camera crew was allowed to speak to us when basically when Iraq was done in the final vote was cast, and you go back, and you get that I shower and one of the guys who is on the veteran cameraman. Came up to me. You Know Ten Years Twenty Games and. Ten Games over a five years, but he said that he said I've seen two hundred people play this game. I've never seen anybody. Enjoy it where you did, so. He just kind of said that it was you know you're never. Not Amazed by how close the Milky Way looking back, did you're you know down here on the equator on an island? So I said that is true did. I soaked it up and I just felt you know just so lucky to be there and. Playing a game so. so it's been. Great story my life and Let, share a little more yeah Tom. Thank you so much really really appreciate you hear. Everything you've done. Really we appreciate you. Cool Rob. You've got my number next time you visited family in the Al You. Called thanks so much, Tom. Keyboard thanks for finding me. Thanks for finding meteorite. Slightly Right Don. Thanks so much you get to I I, T bird! They have at Tom Westman. Dollars great still. I. Still want high from so so rob. I touched by with Tom Because I thought we were going to start are talking with. Sooner than we did. In that you're going to be covered up doing all the winners at were interviews. Of course I kept to myself or weeks in weeks. Because I knew he was earliest, he was on the list. You gave me when we started. What do. He said yes. I. Wanted to call you like that minute, but I didn't know. Just wait just. Day On take it day on so all this last I have been just spun hot so excited about talking to Tom, so he's alleged, he is survived religion and I'll tell you. I was really surprised that he was not contacted. For, Windows War I mean I. I didn't know. I figured he'd probably been contacted and turned it down, but he wasn't even notified. So I don't know. What they were. Great Guy what. Was Great. Okay so. Couple couple of questions here. A couple of questions here too I like to ask you something at the I notice hard pooling. Is Harvard trick you a trip you up? It's hard, so let me ask you. This Tom Tom Todd the recor- the most individual immunity wins in a single season with how many wins? Five. Oh God. Now in the solid days. Yes, that's right. Yes. Who or the others who are the? Bell in the floor. You know I've got the bill. Okay who were the others that have that? Tied with him on these winds cokie. Colby Mike Holloway. Is there somebody else to? Brad, culpepper! Terrible, two more two more men that had five. Wins one-season. Boy. Ed Hey Tom Mitchell one of these interview. Let me think. Who else who else said five in a season? You're. GonNa Kick Yourself Tony Tony apply. The tonia five. Tony May Tony may have had five. Let me. Know about one all right. But I don't have him down my list. Okay then. Panama. O., ARA is Harry. Carey Five! Yup. Did, Bob Crowley Five. Lamar. Now. I. Don't have him down. The wrong so Carino's. Me and then. boy. I don't know who is it? Collins. Ozzy. Thinking winners. Yeah. Okay okay. I was hung up on yeah. Usually you went live. Music challenges us. Yeah. Dry So call the Australia Tom, Westman Palau Terry Dates Panama Ozzy Less Cook. I'll is Mike Holloway worlds apart. Brad culpepper game changers now. Toni may have won five. I. I'm not sure. Here. Yeah I'm not sure did not okay, so here's the next one. This'll be the last one I can't believe I tripped you about. I guess because you thought we were doing winners, Margie. Okay now, so so talk on our Tom Westman. Earth firefighter to win. He's New York New York City firefighter with Ladder Company one eight. Two Part I think you can do it. Who was the second firefighter to ever win? Jeremy. Where is he a firefighter? Cambridge Massachusetts Do, I need to know that ladder company. Day, yoursel. No Good Cambridge. Far Fire Sid Shaw. Your yourself you would. All right very good. I had to to. I'll tell you what I had for you. t birds been so nice. Oh. I love it. You. tastic and you know what I love coming out I love coming out of the gate like this. HOT COMING TO FIRE! Coming. Coming on you know I think Tom is just such a fascinating God. That I'm hoping I know. I know that are GonNa really really enjoy? Cover, so, we cover so much with him. Yeah Yeah. It's been great. Great, job, T bird. Yeah you did it. Thank you don. T bird This was so nice to get to catch up and you have more in the hopper. Yes now you're saying to yourself rob. How can she? Where do we go from? Joe Frasier who not from. To Why just wait? Just wait. I've super super separate cited a not. I'm not doing anything out yet. I've got the second one on I don't want to. Tell me. What's going on I? Find out like a day before the listeners though. 'CAUSE you're busy. You're busy. A So I know that you're busy so I just look I. Will I like to know? We all know. About Tom for over a month because we're. You text, you and I'll say when we start. WHEN ARE WE TO START? We're going to season two and you said Yeah. We're GONNA do season to and I'm like okay so I said the debate. You'd ask me who we had. You never did an art. Okay. He's really busy so gonNA. Let it alone. I WANNA way. I'M GONNA wait till he comes back to me and says who you have for me. So, you really still didn't do that. I just said okay. I'm ready to go I got I got one ready, so it was kind of a letdown horse excited as I was about it. I knew I said to myself. Tibor, he's extra extra busy right now. With all the winners at war and I know you were so that's okay so when I text you in a day or two or right after we finish this, and said okay I got the second one ready to go. I'm hoping I'm going to say a little bit more enthusiastic. Yes, you got it see bird. Tell me. Nobody can match your enthusiasm though so I can't give you back that kind of enthusiasm that you're looking for. All right. I'm still go back to I. Still Go back to when out all the time during season. One talking with Tibor when I was so excited to surprise, you would think and I was told. quickly, and abruptly it quickly and abruptly I. Don't like surprises. Honest. Yeah pretty much. Yes, I know, I, know I. Know What you're GonNa Hassle Nicole or get the hard way, yeah! I, know Nicole on that the hard way about the surprise birthday party. I learned the hard way with some of our interviewees that we've put in, but that's okay. I got it dialed in now, tylden okay. Work the second woodland up I hope you. You'll be okay with I. Hope so I hope so. This was a great. Can't we get back together and get another one in the box? We're still working on more stuff from season forty and much more and. We're also looking back in time with our with our weekly wiggle room wand off. We're going to have our. We're going to go back to season two episode to and have a wand off coming up on Monday. How about that t-bird? Very, good one. You know, there's a couple of things I'm so happy that way touchdown Jonathan Wanda. Got To talk till Tom About the Wassall. Super Awesome cool I'm so glad that Tom Bravo Robert Jen lions. What a special! Amazing Amazing girl, unfortunately, I did not know her I. Wish I had have met her in a known her because. Everybody says the most beautiful beautiful things about her I know. She was a beautiful person so I'm so glad that we. Got To talk about her as well Yeah. All right well, T bird great job. Of course you can find out more about everything. We're doing on ROB's podcast by being a part of our patron community at Roba's website dot com slash patron at our facebook facebook Thursday. The other night was only like what three hours and forty minutes of taking calls from our patrons. We do patron night, Monday, night and Trivia. Trivia nights and much more over in our patron podcast feed, you can find it. All at rob is a website dot com slash patron t-bird. Thank you so much and take. Everybody have a good one bye. You stay here S. Your life will never be. Heard Sake with cheever. Oh. This TV. Channel. Steamer. Share! That's it for me and T-bird here today in this episode of the podcast. We gotTA sponsored segment coming up here from bed online where jail on and Dave Mason are going to be talking about UFC, two fifty from this weekend, and if you want to hear more about that and everything going on a bed online, stick around for a segment, all about UFC two fifty. Thanks for listening. Our guys now I am joined by possibly the longest reigning guests at this program has ever had Dave Mason from online. Let me three in a weird direction that I wasn't planning on going, but something just popped in my head while I have you here. I'm not telling our fans a bet. Online is taking this action, but just for fun if if you had to venture does Mike Tyson return to competition. Yes, or no. What do you think there's Mike Tyson box again? Oh boy. You know we. We actually had some odds up on that. So so we are taking bets on on Tyson Tito Ortiz. Euro Powell was was Chirp, and so we put some odds up on that on a on a boxing match. We ever think that minus five hundred I. Normally I would say no, but the current state of things all always charity things going on you know badly, and we saw the that call for that. That was so good and raise so much money. And we got awesome action on it with Nicholson Tiger. Brady and manning going at it, so with all the charities throw that into it I wouldn't be shocked, but wasn't for this Kobe stuff, I'd say hell. No, but with all this charity stuff, and in all sorts of creative content getting out. Aaron and people just hungry for content I know bare knuckle once they bring him on for a fight for twenty, twenty, nine or something, which is absolutely nuts so normally I'd say no, but with all this Kobe stuff I wouldn't be bit surprised. That's also pictures of it Noli Heli. He's Jack Man. He he's in great shape and of. Course everybody in that bag? If you weeks ago and my Lord I felt sorry for that bag. He looked strong as powerful as ever so you know if he does come back I'm sure it's going to be some kind of special. Special rules and everything I don't think it'll be an all out brawl I i. don't know of course bare knuckle fights there then there are special rules and not even gloves, so I would like to say it what the Hell and you know from book and something like that that that the action would be off the charts I was never in the industry where the when he was fighting. That was before my time in the industry. So that's one thing. I will always would have liked to seen all the album Tyson money coming in because whenever he thought it was an event and sometimes. Sometimes. Maybe it's not the best or the best game that gets all the action, but the events. That's on news. It's on sportscenter. Twenty, four. Seven at everybody's talking about I e mayweather vs McGregor those are the ones that super bowls that happened in August at the sports book. Just love because it's like all of a sudden at third week of August. All these people are piling back in when they weren't to the year prior. So if Tyson owns back in any any kind of competition, competitive vite, oh my God I can't imagine the actual. Come in, and so I'm rooting for man. And you know I'm of that. Same School thought there's so many people are saying well. You know he's fifty three. Don't do it in these bad things, but I think you brought up an interesting point which is well. Wait a second what we do manipulate the rules. What if all of a sudden? It's a two minute round and there's a ninety second rest just by example Oh, and by the way it's only scheduled for three or four rounds. I think that greatly does change the potential embarrassment factor if you will the intentional. Injury factor if you will and we throw them in. There was somebody from his era. I mean coincidentally vander is now coming back incidently. Briggs it would like to fight again. Who's also you know just north of fifty years old, I think I'm with you. I. Think There's something special there even those videos that makes putting out eight and ten and eleven, second clips of him shadow boxing or hitting minutes or to your point hitting the back. I love that stuff though stuffs, eleven seconds I wish it was eleven minutes. I Mike Tyson's doing something. I'm compelled to watch. One hundred percent said of an event I just remember watching those fights when I was a young, you know. Back in high school and When he was on top of the and even back then. All minimal my buddies with somebody's house. who had HBO I think goes on that then watched fights, and I don't remember anything else that we really gathered for back then, and that was way back in the eighties so absolutely I would. I would love to be on the side of the counter for Mike. Tyson fight even. Special rules because the hype would be just off the charts which I love the events all right, so speaking of ferocious fighters. Let me fast forward you next week. Pay Per view only on ESPN plus world champion, and the without question, greatest female fighter of all time. We're talking about Amanda Nunez. She's putting the strap up against Felicia Spencer. FELICIA Spencer I would argue for you had her greatest performance even in defeat, and that was against Chris Cyborg where I think opened everybody's eyes, and shocked us to not only her skills, but her heart and her durability nunes versus Spencer I'm a week early on this, but I don't get to talk to you. That often Dave. How do you see it? Yeah I mean you said it. She's the goat man. Is this incredible I? Mean you know coke out? Rhonda took out Cyborg to Cao's eight there to the other people that women that would be mentioned in the goat conversation debate which I don't think it's any. Debate anymore. It's a mand all the way, but yes, I mean I. I watched that Cyborg fight and I was like oh my. God, what's this? What's this? That's looks can be this evening because he went in there and Cyborgs all Jack and Spencer. This look like I don't know you took driver PTA, meeting, or something and and. Holy Hell Man. Battled and see she impressed the hell out of me man. I mean I actually might not be the most skilled fighter out there men or women, but chat I don't know if there are many people men, or with the bigger heart than head Holy Mackerel that she opened my eyes and that fight, but Nunez will this be too much and I I think. It's Spencer the Beats Amanda that will be the ultimate rocky story right there. News she's another level with their striking ground, gain, ground and pound everything. I don't see the odds are reflective. Demand is minus five fifty favorite to take back on Spencer plus four twenty, even despite the high odds, public is on Nunez, which which is which is kind of? You know the public and fights usually bet that dog and you know we still have a week and a half of action yet to come in so that that could change by fighting that we we could need the Amanda, but as of now betters on Amanda, which tells me some to that. People aren't given what I do know is every parlay will be heat on Amanda along with Amalia, those those will be keyed on every other parlay that weekend. All I fully agree. Look, there's. There's always something special. When Sean o'malley is present I mean it's just a reality. He brings something you. Simon Cowe likes to talk about the IT. Factor Sean Kelly has the factor e sure does L. Man I mean this his look is interviews backed up. Of course he's not that tested yet. You know there were. He's GonNa have a test next weekend, which is great fighting a cagey old veteran Eddie Weiland but but man that o'malley he so dynamic is striking one of those. Those guys, you eat going to sell a lot of tickets ma'am. This kid over his career. And how big. How big did he look in his last fight? That's the thing you know. He's just looks so much more muscular during that time off when he when he fought that last fight, he looks huge that last night. I couldn't believe is made wait at that wake last, but he made it easy, and he looked great. He just put a lot of muscle and he was ready. Ready to go, and he, he did his thing and next week and I can't wait I mean I think that's a fight I'm looking forward to most on that car against violent so I am Roe looking forward to that out. I fully agree with you all right? Thank you for your time. You got anything else. You want to get off your chest odd lots, but I know you're quick. Quick on time, but come on over to bed online DOT AG and bet the fights and. All sorts of sign up bonuses get your free plays in and bet on the house money bet online dot ag boom. Love at thanks. Dave talked to soon they care.

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Survivor 40 Roundtable #5: Previewing Michele, Adam, Ben, Wendell, and Nick

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Survivor 40 Roundtable #5: Previewing Michele, Adam, Ben, Wendell, and Nick

"Harry what's going Non Rob Sister Nino back here with you for our fifth and final survivor. Roundtable of the preseason talking now the one time winners who won in the thirties. That is going to be Michelle. Adam Ben Wendelin Nick here ear today with another all star panel. Let's say hello to everybody that we're GONNA be talking about in previewing and looking back at the winning games of of our five winners. We're GONNA talk about today here with this roundtable of course joining us. He is the host of this week in a survivor history. Please welcome the gray Jordan Kayla. Sean how are you doing. Great Great to see you rob great to see this awesome awesome panel here and of course rob has a nation watching us live very a lot of fun to be on a on a live national show Jordan. Oh Yes yes has many nations interviewers all around the globe here wanting to hear US talk about our five one time winners from the thirties. Of course a woman who who has been the CO founder of the of mazing challenge HAP- show and of course many other accolades aides many appearances on rabbinic to podcasts. Please welcome back alley. Lash her you rob is. PODCAST is now in my official introduction. Oh You said rob. I heard Robin Akiva. That's I've already mentioned it anyway. Heave appearances I said what. What am I doing here on? That's what I WANNA know like I start in every podcast got bumped from the better show. I was supposed to be talking about Tony now. I'm talking about the five. We're going to talk about tonight. Winners from the thirties due to historians. My here to be the gesture. Like I'm not really sure like one of these. Things is not like the other. What the three of you I feel like okay? Okay very concerned. While we're we're we're thrilled to have you back with US year. Sure sure. Of course the man who knows why the winner is one why the losers loss here is the Co host of y acts lost and the of course great David Bloomberg Lou and don't worry about the historian thing alley because this is all new people anyway so hey a put me on one of the shows from the newer seasons. I don't remember anything from the past. Sounds like me you got our things crossed. Our surveys crossed crossed all right people. Think that David Bloomberg because that he's been a founder of Reality News online he knows all the stuff from way back when no. Oh He's forgotten more than he knows about survivor. That's right I've forgotten more than anybody else knows so we talk about our are recent winners. Of course we're live year right now on. Our ROB has a podcast. Youtube Channel and on periscope on twitter and twitch facebook. So we are. You're getting your comments along the way we're going to take them later on in the shadow of course Hashtag. Rj Pe- if you want to get some questions out there from twitter will also be able to take some youtube questions later on in the show this is the fifth and final of our winner. Roundtables and I've had a lot of fun this month getting to talk about all the various winners and look back at their the past games with our different roundtable panels. You can find all of the shows in our podcast feed robbins a website. I come Robbins Web sitcoms. I tunes for our feet in Apple. L. PODCASTS also. By the way a little programming note great conversation with a winner not at war. The Sepah towery joined wind Tiber to myself this weekend to talk about her game and her not being invited back for season. Forty in our latest. Talking with T. Bird podcast hardcastle be on the lookout for that all right. Let's start our conversation today with the most senior of in terms of when they won most senior senior winning game and that is of Michelle Fitzgerald and it was a surprise to many to see Michelle Fitzgerald Return to survivor alley. that it seemed like that. Maybe Michelle Fitzgerald was in survivor exile. Yes interesting because I feel lake actually first before we get started I C K Leash has this nice poster behind him and I want to hang up to podcast this yeah. I've done some decorating. I'm excited. How do I get a backstreet boys? I shouldn't put it right behind you blocking it. Most of the PODCAST GONNA see Ryanair. In case in case you're wondering alley has posted a wonderful picture of myself which which were in a fashion show in two thousand and three there you go. I want to know what's happening here. But we'll maybe we'll talk off air about that. Okay okay so let's talk about Michelle. I'll be in exile after this. Maybe Michelle was in rha survivor. Exile look I think Michelle will is someone who Jeff probst does not seem to be thrilled with their game and a lot of fans. We're not thrilled with her game. A lot of her own jury who were not thrilled with her game after watching however I think a lot of people have come around on Michelle's game and to me. She's sort of like an obvious picked to come back. Because she wasn't such gotcha dominant winner like you still need to cast. The one thing I'm worried about this season is like is there enough balance in the cast with having all winter so I think Michelle provides some much needed the balance. She played a quieter game. More socially focused game I'm not surprised to see your back if you'd asked me the day after her her finale. If if she was gonNA come back I'd be like we'll never see her again but I'm not so surprised this far out. Are you a loss to not have professor. Tim Wilson with us on the roundtable tonight honestly shook me to have him there. I was like so throat I feel like trying to impress him. And it's nice to be with three people. I'm not trying to impress David Bloomberg like the survivor professor. Yeah well I said I don't belong here already. Like how much credit to give these folks those Max Dawson Robert Yea class. That's right so David Michelle came back and now you AH. We'd been we'd been doing why. Why X one? At that point. Michelle Fitzgerald she was born into the survivor the world at of the flames of Michelle versus Aubrey one of The good controversies. I've gotten to cover during my survivor. PODCASTS and career. Yeah I mean yes. It was a better controversy. Certainly than some recent ones but at the time there was a a lot of anger going around and I remember when when we did our podcast at the time of y Machel one and I did one of my a twitter press conferences. This was one that got a few people in trouble when it was going on before the game ended by very tapped in with Kyle Jason. Yes yes. What's he and I were like that? And he he was the one who came out and said Hey. Look if if we had seen everything Aubrey was was doing she would've won and he said that in interviews to and which. I'm sure did not make Michelle. Very happy But the way it was explained that Aubrey had hidden a lot of her moves a little too. Well at least at least from the feedback. Feedbacks that I got what made people feel better and I got the feedback saying okay now we understand it better but I do think that Michelle has something to prove and not just to viewers but to Jeff probst to Jordan. I really have thought about this. And where we're sort of in this point in survivor history. Really what is going on is so much crazy stuff. That's been sort of thrown into the soup at this point of making a fire. There's the edge of extinction. Would Fire Tokens and got a million advantages. I really feel like that. So much of this ends up being out of a response. Stew Michelle's win in survivor. Call wrong for whatever reason it seems like that. After Michelle had the quieter win in survivor that the show seems to go to great lengths to say well. We can't have this happen again. Yeah I mean I I agree with that and I think Even though I was someone who is unabashedly an Aubrey fan during that season. I was rooting for her. When I've watched the season back yes she played a quiet social game on but she also did a lot of things that I think people don't remember I mean she was someone who turned on a lot of her ally? She was string. Nickel long tasks emerge. I mean she never went to tribal council before the merge and had no problem voting him out she made an alliance with Debbie voted her out and then she voted out her biggest ally Julius. She wasn't what she didn't really want her to out of the game necessarily but she got on board and was part of that vote so I think that she did make little moves and she actually made this point during the final tribal council. Where even though it wasn't necessarily the flashiest game in the world she did do other things besides just play a social game and I think there's a there's a quote that she actually had which is? There's there's no better way to show my loyalty to vote out my biggest ally in the game which is kind of a funny way to think of things. Because if you're voting at your biggest ally how are you showing loyalty. But you're potentially showing doing loyalty to the other people that you're playing so I do think that she does have a strategic year and for what it's worth she said in interviews afterwards that it was her idea to vote our Julia. Although we didn't see it that's what she said in interviews afterwards So Michelle ends up catching some breaks in that season where we have these medical evacuations which really dominated the season. We Lost Bee's mode cowboy the the great beast mode cowboy early in the season then kneel at the merge and then Joe who is a really key cog for Aubrey are- which opens up the door for Michelle who gets real hot at the end of the game and I think that in part I think that the Medevac Medevac ends up being a big part of the story of this season and survivor wrong. Well sure I mean I think we're we're GonNa talk about and everyone you've been talking about. How low all cash? It's hard to say that it's luck luck. I think plays a huge role in all of these games and something. I've been doing when going back for the players we're GonNa talk about is looking at sort of like doc who has a transferable game and whose game really dependent on the exact circumstances of what happened so short. It's fair to say that Aubrey really. We caught some tough breaks when it came to the Medevac sent her closest allies. We're the ones Medevac Dan. Michelle benefited from that. But I do think a lot of her game is transferable obviously. Don't think she's GonNa be like giving people knee infections. But I think that we'll be able to transfer it also. She was stood a really tough season so she ends up on edge of extinction she. She's a tough player. So yeah I mean I think my issue by issue I almost feel like this is the right time for Michelle. Debbie back coming off the heels of a Tommy Win and he was. I think he was better received than Michelle. I'm not saying that everybody loved him. I was a vocal critic. Tommy I also is rooting for Aubrey. The and her season. So I'm nothing if not consistent but I think people have been. I know Mike brought it up to you. See the similarities between Tommy and Michelle and you sort heard of pooh-poohed it a little bit when he when he raised it a while back but I think they played very similar games. I think Michelle suffered from the fact that they're Aubrey was really the story of that. That season where the thirty nine for all of its problems had a lot of great characters and so there were sort of two or three episode arcs. Rich Person. Rather than like Aubrey's Aubrey's the whole season is like how Aubrey should win. And then Aubrey loses. And that's obviously an oversimplification. But so I think like the the edit favor Tommy more than a favored Michelle and her season. Maybe that's because of who production felt like was a more worthy winner and there was no you know. People were not rooting for Dean the way they were rooting Ding for Aubrey. So I think there are a lot of reasons. Why Tommy maybe is slightly more well received than Michelle But I think everyone's championing this Championing this return to to a old school game that Tommy played and like what'd Michelle do. Not that I mean. She did the same thing and she even talks about that in her. Et candidate video. That she you know she laid an old school game in newer season. And I think what the time you wind showed is that survivors. Still doesn't know how to edit a social game But you know allegedly Jeff probst says that this is a social social game at the heart of it but then they go and you know rob like you said they they throw in more and more things to make it more difficult for someone like that to win. The the interesting thing about Michelle is that several of the players in her season said she was basically a nonentity early. On and part of that is she never went to tribal council. Like you mentioned but I think quite honestly. That's your best bet going forward because there's going to be a lot of big entities and if she can recreate being a non entity in the first half of the game I think that's our best bet. I think she plays the same game that she did last time. Let's say she gets to the end or gets very far in the game she could playing with strategy. That's used in Inca wrong which is basically to be social with everyone to not be the biggest threat. I think she can get to that final tribal. Oh Council the only thing is I think an all winter season with an all winners jury. I don't think she can play the same game and win. I think she does need to make adjustments. You made the point that she has a lot to prove. It's weird to say that a winner who's only played once has something to prove but I think she's an example of that and I even have in my in my pros and cons is one of her says that she never really was the architect of a vote and there were many opportunities because he only went to six tribal councils. I believe in our inner game so if she wants to sit next to people and when the game she's going to have to. I'm not saying make big flashy moves. But she's going to have to make smart moves and they're going to have to see her as at least the driving having force behind one of them in order to win the game. We've is sort of focusing on sort of like the narrative of Michelle and survivor wrong. But I don't think we necessarily done enough yet to talk. Talk about the things. That were Michelle's strengths in survivor. And I think that at the heart of it is this incredible. Social game where she ended up forming bonds with some really key players Down the stretch Sydney for one had a great relationship. Eh with ty was able to form a bond with Aubrey Allie. Do you feel like it's an underreported story. Just how good Michelle Michelle. Social Game was wrong. Well for sure I mean I think like. It's Michelle is certainly underrated. It's an underreported story. That she was is a good winner. I do think though sort of like with the Kim's Brad one thing they'll like podcast effect that I almost think like not you directly but I just think with time people generally have started to come around Michelle so I don't know like this is what I've been struggling with is like oh we know this but maybe the best players in survivor history one of thought of of this when they're on the islands you know it's like as much as I wanna say she's underrated. I almost think everybody here will be rated as compared to you. Know some of the most dominating social players. There's like Kim Spradlin and Boston Rob. Maybe not but I don't know it's hard for me to say any of these people be underrated. I Guess Michelle would be number one uh-huh of that. I wanted to ask a quick question though in terms of her needing to prove something I kind of think for the five people were playing. We're talking about tonight are sort of like chip hip on their shoulders. Squad where they all have something to prove and overcome. Does Michelle feel that way about herself. Because I haven't gotten that impression from at least the videos in the bio. Oh she's sort of like I'm not going to change anything about my game and I think she has sort of owned it. She's hilarious on twitter about the criticism so to she feel like that in in a way. I think it's better better than she doesn't. If she does not make sense I mean she said she said in her. Et Canada video. At least. I'm pretty sure that she admitted she was scared. In her first game and she wants to go outside her comfort zone and use other tools. This time so to me. That's saying that she does want to do more and you know pushed herself. I do I know. Does she specifically WanNa prove something to Jeff probst that. I don't think that that's the key there that I it. It feels like that with Michelle like I thought other people that are like. Hey I wanna go back so I could show read it this or like so. I can get twitter survey for Michelle. It does seem like it's almost very personal. She's like I'm here and I'm going to show Jeff probst that I belong. It's almost like that. That she does not seem like focused on the internet or social media. She seems very. She's locked in on. She's GonNa Convince Jeff that she deserves to be there. which I feel like of all of those things I feel like? He's probably the most productive last. Jeff ever been vocally down down on a winner as he was Michelle. I don't think is he was he down or almost to the point where they going back to the Nora Theorem of like is it better to be Ignored or hated. He seemed indifferent to Michelle is a winner. I feel like Iran. I would obviously defer to literally any of you on the panel besides sides myself but I feel like I remember him sort of being down on Michelle as a winner but maybe maybe not. I wouldn't have the exact quote but if you take a look at what the have they AAC done to the Game Syndrome. Shell was the name. Change Your Life that they said. Hey we gotta brought back Aubrey immediately. They make all these changes just to the game. We're going to change the final tribal council format do a million things because we're going to try to prop up the people that make the biggest biggest moves so that somebody can't just get to the end on the strength of their social relationships. We that advantage again where you vote out juror. Like like like every everything you're right fair well we'll all show Jeff. I agree. I think it's more of the shows actions. In the show's words. Words that were that were really anti Michelle. But I do think Michelle doesn't strike me as the kind of person who's GonNa come in and over correct and if she is really just trying to prove frigates Jeff probst is probably going to play a similar game but like I said before she may be needs to do a little bit more in the strategic arena or do something that we're going to have an edge of extinction jury who as we saw in the past likes to show they like to be entertained. Is Michelle going to be the person sitting next to you other people who's going to be the most entertaining and making them happy about voting for her as the winter. I think if she plays the same game that she didn't kill wrong. She's not going to be that person I think she if she plays the same social game but maybe adds a little bit more on top of that the jury is going to love. I could see her. Potentially being a two-time winner can I say something to that. Like I think Michelle's best case scenario scenario is almost like zero vote finalist and I and I hate saying that but even in her video I kept track of how long every video was. Because I'm a psycho but but Michelle had seven minutes. which was on? Ben had a little bit less but she owes at my opinion said nothing like I was really bored and I came in wanting to stand Michelle. Shell I love her on twitter. She's been to know it all stuff like she's I think she's great but I think she'll get along with the women and we'll talk about allies an a an officer. Whatever I'm sure but I don't see her doing enough to warrant giving her confessionals over some of the other other players that are on this season so I almost think she could get into a strong alliance may be adaptable like she like? I think she was on her season. Play play a strong social game and get to the end as a goat. I was sleeping. I was thinking something similar as Jordan. You were talking about how she needs to do something bigger because I. I don't know what that would be in comparison to the other winners out there on the other hand. Although of course you know anyone who listens to Jessica and me talk about Big moves and our thoughts on them. That's what Jeff probst is pushing and a lot of these winners are from older school and they know they're not part of the whole big moves era so they're sitting there on the jury they may recognize. What Michelle did Ethan? I'm sitting on. The jury isn't going to be looking for her hertie. Do something flashy. He's going to be looking for her to maybe play the game like he did. I don't know I think people are going to love Michelle that all of these people. All for the most part that played with her the first time through have really nice things to say about her all the survivors that I know that spend time with her love spending time with her. And I feel like that if everybody's GonNa play big big big play hard that just the person who is so much fun fun to be around like maybe she's not going to get a ton of airtime to what you're saying. Allie but I just feel like she set up really really well. It's hard for me to imagine the scenario where this goes sideways. She's the first boot or she's out early because I don't trust her. I feel like that that people will. Maybe she can't go the distance but I I love her shot at this thing right now Jordan. Yeah I mean I would be shocked. If she's one of the first people voted out the only really the only real way I see her not making the merge and this speaks to her social game and speaks to the fact that she's she's basically made good relationships with everyone that she's he's played with I mean if she gets Swat into a bad spot and she's in the minority. Anybody could get voted out like that but I mean besides that. I really think I'd be very surprised to not see her her. She also talked about in her. Et candidate interview about how she played the first game. She really she got by just on the strength of the social game. And now she's GonNa add a little bit onto it in terms of the the strategy part of it and Allie. I feel like that the people that come in with like the really gifted social side of things alike like poverty or like Tyson and they come back and then eventually they win. I mean she went on her the first time out in five years of being around the game. I can't think but she absorbed some of the strategic talk in terms of going through her season and hearing everything that all the all the game talk about Koran and all these other season I have to think that just by Osmosis she picked a lot of that up and is ready to implement some of that in her game. No assure like strategy can be taught or you can follow somebody else's direction. You can't teach likability. Believe me if you could good I'd be in that class but no but you can't. You can't Keach having being a likable person while starving on an island for thirty nine days like that if people like like you in the absolute worst conditions like. That's an incredible. I'm just saying up against all these others like. Ah Denise Extremely Likable Kim Spradlin extremely likable Wendell extremely likeable and they have maybe more strategic shops. We'll see so. So yeah. Maybe she's she's picked things up fans versus favorites. I would be like Michelle to me has a better chance at that. These are like the best players practicing target target. Also sure but then it's like the Mitchell theory like a lot of these people to me. You'RE GONNA WANNA keep around bigger targets so that they're not next in line and so I don't know if Michelle Wins Game Fabulous Avi here toasting Michelle. I just don't like I said I think her best case scenario is sort of a no vote finalist in the end. If she's playing there are a lot of people out there playing the strategy. She could be in trouble after the merge but I do think saying I think there is a path for her. She's definitely not my number. My number one choice as a return winner but I do think and again I didn't really see it. The first time on my watch the show she did play a more impressive game than I thought she played the first time I watched. I'm still a big Fan. I'm still I still root for Aubrey when I watched that season But I do think there's more to her than just being likable okay. Let's talk about some potential allies. Some stands that could be out there. Four Michelle David DC. Anybody that would be a very pro Michelle. I think her best that is to you. Try to align herself with the other new people like the ones. We're talking about here. Adam Nick Wendel. Although as when we talk about Wendell I think he has other options even Ben. Although ben is a very very different player but I think Adamant Nick depending on how the tribe shakeout are two people that she should really be looking for right at the beginning and then just try to find one of those me this shields and Tuck herself under their wing and stay out of the limelight. Let let the EGOS fight it out if they're going to do that or if the eagles are going to all get together and target the either the newer p Bowl or some of the others. Who aren't the more well known players? Just stay out of the limelight entirely alley anybody in particular that you see. Yeah my question to follow up. On David's point I agree agree but is that a winning game for her to do that to just sort of like be under the radar. Go to the end with Nick and Adam and then she issue winning out of the three of blamed I was just talking about the beginning of the game and just to just to make it to the merge and avoid the slings and arrows that are going to become an at everybody at the point. And then she she'll have to ratchet up when she hits the merge Gotcha I mean. I don't think there's any risk of her getting voted out pre merge just for all the reasons. You guys have already said I anything can happen but I would. I would be surprised if she is a pre merge target look I think came in poverty arch view that would love Michelle that would see themselves and Michelle Michelle in her first. One of the things I did was I went back. And compared their first season BIOS to their current in BIOS and yeah we had so much work. We had the videos in the BIOS while I was on the first week of this anyway. So Michelle one point. Oh said that poverty was the players. She'd be most like as surprised but I think they would really like her and would enjoy working with her. I also think Wendell's a connection. I know they know each other. I know they're very light rumors that they dated which I would love to just put into the atmosphere even further because I would ship that a thousand percent and then there's like more distant like psycho connections where it's like me the red yarn and it's like okay. She played with Aubrey. Who did Aubrey play with? Aubrey played with Sarah. Antoni and Sandra. And maybe that's some kind of connection. Maybe it's jody. Jeremy Jeremy like ooh connection but but so so. I don't know that she's like not I think she's been in the mix she's been in the community. She's gone to stuff. I think Wendell it would be a good person to bring in and Kim in poverty I think would really love working with Air Jordan. Is it possible there. Any Michelle Fitzgerald Gerald ops out there does she have any enemies on this cast or in real life. I mean I don't really see any jar enemies. Four Michelle Michelle. I mean if anyone were to come to mind potentially someone like Benjamin Bergen. I mean not that I think they're necessarily going to dislike each other but there were times when Ben did clash with people on his season and I could see you know. Maybe he gets under her skin or she gets under his skin. I guess if you were to you know a a knock on our on Michelle's early game. She was someone who even though they never went to tribal council. There were some complaints about her her performance mm-hmm and some of the challenges. And I could see maybe not liking that but I think it's sort of a stress. I mean it's possible that they could be close allies and that they could really like each other. I think her personality doesn't really went herself herself to making too many enemies. And it's funny that you pointed out you know Kim Spradlin as someone she could be aligned with because I could really see the two of them getting along and having the strong alliance however I do think if you know if she were to get to the end with someone like Kim. She's going to have to cut him loose. Because even if it's not the case even if the two of them played very comparable games means no one's going to give Michelle any credit if she goes to the end with someone like Kim scrabble. So I do see that and I could also see someone like Jeremy being a strong alliance for her but I think in in terms of like like Allie was saying with the red string of connecting her. Did she play with. And who did these people play with. I think the the better bonds are going to be. Who does she you no? Who Does he vibe? With on a personal level. I think there's really no one that she can't work with which is going to definitely help her in the game okay. Let's try to come up with a outlook for Michelle. I'm really impressed with Michelle. I'd like to everything that I've heard that. She said she played. I think she won when she was twenty four. She comes back five years later. It's nice sweet spot from where you know she sort of new school but you kind of forgot about her. She has so much more life experience as well. I was really impressed. She was at the last know it alls that we did in New York and she was talking about the game and I was like wow like Michelle is really on fire. I'm so impressed with Michelle that I think. She's it's hard for me I. I can't say that she's going to win but I affiliate that she's like right there in the final five but who okay. WHO's her best? I know this is crazy right. It's like so funded of this preseason and stuff because I think honestly these forty people. That'd be hilarious. These people could go out and play the game ten different times and I think ten different outcomes so I think were like fools here trying to do this. Exercise hates for fun. Two weeks fill got filled. The Thai Belichick Doc. So anything can happen in Michelle could be this unbelievable standout player and win the game but like right now for preseason perspective. I'm struggling to find who the final two is. There are that that she beats just based and things change and and the as much as their pre-game alliances and relationships and you hit the beach drive whatever. Br I mean. We're talking we're looking at this like okay. This is the version of the season where Michelle Fitzgerald like dominates the game. But is it possible that there's somebody who's WHO's trying to dominate the game and then ends up bringing Michelle then okay. I'm taking Michelle with me to the final three. Because I know she can't make the fire I don't know why I'm presuming. Maybe Michelle's making the fire. And then she ends up. SORTA like Sandra beating Russell. where she goes she gets taken to the end end by somebody else who thinks they can beat her? And she gives a transcendent final tribal council performance of. Hey you all underestimated you thought you could. Vp but you couldn't and I had this great social game. Everybody here likes me and they don't like you so Shut up. Here's the thing there are. There are so many there are so many super fans on the season. I mean you have someone like Adam client. WHO's a super duper Fan? Wendell is is a big fan of the game and yes us. Michelle is someone who they could potentially work with the flip side of that is where having these thoughts about Michelle before the game where she's someone who could potentially get very far so were they. And maybe that's the only type of thing that could screw her at the beginning if everyone else is having the same thoughts like Oh Michelle. Is someone that everyone's GonNa WanNa work with the volve to the point where they say. Hey got to you know. Vote out the people who are smaller targets locking the way for us to go further because we are the bigger targets restrained. We were talking about the beginning of this. This conversation. Yeah restraint is a weakness. Anything that can be looked at as a strength can also be looked at as a reason to vote somebody out. Here's the other thing with Michelle for the end. Is I almost think people Bush's most likely to get along with and naturally want to work with our her biggest threats so like she the people we haven't really mentioned like Ben People are saying the abuse someone said David said would be good allies for her but but like those are maybe the people she is more likely to beat those the people she's GonNa most naturally want to work with maybe not but we'll see okay all right. Does anybody have a radically different prediction for Michelle. Where do you have Michelle going out? I'M GONNA say Michelle gets to like final five intersects okay all right right there. Maybe even a losing finalist potentially. Yeah what if the edge of extinction person comes back and then they'll like I'm taking Michelle with me to the final three three because I can beat her she beats the edge of extinction person. I think the extinction person is if they're not immune is out right. That's my prediction. I don't know who that's going to be but I think they're out right away away from certainly hope so from your lips to God's ear so I'm just trying to put that out there out there manifest. Okay let's talk about Adam. Klein line is coming up back to survivor alley. I know you are a big Adam clients. Dan I am a big Adam Fan. I worry about Adam I'm a big. I'm just emotionally big in this game of survivor don't seem to be doing great. Here's what I like about him. Two Point Oh Adam one point Oh is like I don't know how old was he like fresh out of Stanford like was he. Twenty Billion Twenty four twenty seven. He's my age now so he's twenty eight now. I think are just turned twenty nine whatever I looked this up today. I'm not a stalker. But what I like but Adam two point oh he's got all the benefits of being the superfan Nerd of atom one point zero plus just the right amount of J. Like Adam said in his in his bio that he's not changed since his season like brushing Your title now is like Motivational Speaker and host. You've been living on an island flipping a coin for how much money you're gonNA have like. You are not the same as you were on the season. I think that's going to be great because he's still going to be the the little nerd that he is That we love no offense if he's listening who knows but he's also also bidding like schilling and living and working hard but playing poker and like living on an island so I think he's got the perfect blend of like the Devon and the J. Okay and the like Adam and Hannah David right okay. All right that's Some smoothie just made three dream contestant. Mr Where's where's David Bloomberg told me about Adam. Kline one point. Oh well I mean one thing that he did specifically in one point Oh was he hid the fact that he was such a big superfan which he can't do this time. He let Zeke get out there and be the big well-known Superfan and he kind of hid behind it and so that that we'll attract attention this time and he also was good it collaborating he had his allies but really in a season that was is known for in the term trust clusters and the pendulum strategy and all those other things it it was loyalty that really carried the day. It because Zeke flipped away from the main alliance. He wanted Adam to come with him. Adam said he wouldn't turn on his allies. He stayed loyal while keeping the lines of communication open so he was able to have all these individual or alliances that kept him informed. And that's that's how he was able to progress in the game. He collaborated and I think he can do something similar this time because he does have these connections with so so many other players that whether they're officially in an alliance or not. I think that he will be helping to protect them. And they will be helping to protect him Jordan. You're another big Adam Klein. Stand on the panel. Yeah I mean in my pros for Adam and David just sort of touched on it. He's a very very good ally. He's a loyal player. He went to rocks for for his alliance. I he played an idol on Hannah. It turned out it only cancelled for out of the nine votes. But you never know it will walls GonNa do so. He potentially could've saved Hannah there if wall was voting against them. But he he's he's also somebody who I think makes very logical arguments to other players in the game and there was a point early on when he was on the minority. After the the Mario Kashi Ashi vote he started really putting it into the people that avow close figgins eller were and how close Jay and Michelle were in that alliance and he. He came with his arguments that he was making other players. He came from their perspective. And I think he's really good at doing that of making. It seem like you know. Don't do this for me. You do this for you. But let's do this together and I think if he's able to do that in this game and also now coming from that you know that's super duper fan status which he's going to have and people might see as a threat but if like you know if he goes up to Boston Rob Rob. I've I've wanted to play survivor with you forever. And he could basically say similar things so you'll and it's you you know it's a Sandra poverty legends of the game. I think maybe Adam could hit endear himself to some of these bigger players like that and I think he also worked with the new player. What else this is on your pros list? I'm mad at myself for not asking for the full pros and cons list of Michelle Michelle Adam give me for atom for atom. Obviously he has an ability to find idols advantages. You found to idols. And the also found the the reward steel which even though it wasn't an idol. It could have been. I mean you find it in the same way he he used the. This is something that I think. Really come in Handy in this game. He I think maybe better than anybody. Use used the strategy of pudding bigger threats ahead of him in order to get to the end. When you get to the final six you have somebody like Brett? Somebody like Jay. Somebody like David. Who Do you know? After the game and a lot of people's retrospective said maybe would have beaten him at the final three. He was able to put these people ahead of him and it is a risky strategy. It's dangerous because if any of them were to have won immunity he could have been in trouble there at the final tribal council and also. I think it's something that maybe since he's done it before he could use that to his advantage in this game but on the flip side there are so many threats in this game. Where if there's too many of them? Maybe now he's going to the end against people who could be them. Okay all right. Allie DIS disagree. With any of Jordan's pros about am Klein. No I don't I said this in the chat and I was thinking this before also also that like I don't know how often rob has changed his view since all stars rob he's definitely Adam would probably be seen as the most similar directly to you probably and if Boston rob is threatened by that kind of player or has been before he may be again and I worry that these thr- were threatened as much as that. That's just not his jam. This guy is not my kind of guy but but in that sense like I generally don't think being a super van will be a disadvantage. They think Adams willing to stroke the egos that need to be stroked One thing I've been looking at all these players who did they beat and I think Adam beat some of the most formidable opponents on his season and that to me matters others like I on the on the draft. I did which thank God dropped before any of the actual press or nobody would have listened to that with Akiba and Mike Bloom and Leon Myself. You'll to know no that Mike Bloom won the you'll linked in facebook or finger length dinner request so I actually did say on the podcast that Mike because the most reasonable person to get the acceptance. Because he's like I did on friend you on Lincoln Rob 'cause I was like if I disassociate myself from survivor. I have a better chance chance but I know Mike the Point Fair and square disassociating from me give you a better chance to get friend requests. I didn't WanNa look like a survivor fan. I wanted to look. It's like a professional connect. Like sometimes you just gotTa say like oh I'll try it again keep trying But but yeah who knows what I was GONNA say. Oh so yeah. I think he'd beat some of the strongest players of the people. Were talking about with Hannah David Wright and J Cetera et Cetera in terms of I O so I talking about the draft. Sorry so I picked Natalie I I'm gonNA keep her as my winner pick but when I go through all of this time since June when we did this Natalie beat a bunch of new. It's it's so maybe that's not such a good big and the opposite side. I think Adam really beat some strong players here and I think that bodes well for him just overall okay. Yeah and to follow up on something Jordan said about the Meat Shield strategy. He even acknowledged in his each candidate interview. That he knows is now because of the changes to the game he has to get rid of those me shields evens junior. so He's already been thinking about. You know not only okay. Here's how I played before before. And here's how I have to change my game. Yeah here's the thing though. If you're if you're a Mitchell's you in any way studied Adams game. And he's getting all buddy buddy up up with you and working with you. You have to anticipate at some point that he's going to try to blindside you so that's again all of these strains that have a flip side that could turn into weaknesses. But I do think that some of the skills he used in his first game can be very helpful in all winter season. So do you think that the final four fire making was incorporated traded to Sorta combat the shield strategy. I mean part of it because people to the end and then getting rid of them so give me chill other chance to get into the final three is he's a strategy anyway. In that was part of it was that Jeff Pope said that they did final F- or fire making to get rid of the problem of people the getting the strong players getting the final four and then getting voted out much like they did final three to get rid of the problem of the best player getting to third place in getting voted. Would it out. Yeah I mean I don't know if like in the time line of the show that necessarily holds up like unless you're looking at like David Wright and getting Getting voted out right around there and like Brad culpepper is that was that when they put it in there for a while he got to the final three so I don't even know exactly what is but we're going down the rabbit hole right now all right so let's talk about any other adjustments that atom might need to be making this time. David did you you notice anything that Adam is going to be doing differently for his second time back not really I think that he is going to play. Okay a very similar game and I think he he's. He has all these connections from outside the game. You know he's been Harry well connected right right right. He's been at Reno he's he's been at no land of Reno Ness you meet there. Is your friend for life absolutely absolutely especially if they buy you shots Jordan. But it's I think he just he has so how many contacts so many friends that he may be able to get in with some of the older players in a way that a lot of the newer ones might not the able to like. I think if you look at Adam and you look at Nick. Obviously who will be talking about. I think very different worlds when it comes to their relationships within the survivor community. And I think Adam is gonNA use that. He's going to push the loyalty card. And yes at some point someone has to know if they are meat. I shield it. He's going to try to turn on them. But everybody's going to turn on everybody so do us his loyalty while you can. And and it'll be tough but some things that he did in his game also was that if someone was an ally of his and they had what he considered a bad idea such as when Hannah wanted to vote out Sunday he let them do it he he went along with it so as not to break the bonds. It wasn't going to hurt his game And it made a Hannah happy so he went along with it and I think she is flexible in that way and I believe that will help him also something else. That is a benefit for Adam and he talked about this in his candidate interview that he talked about how that a lot of people think the narrative of Adam Story. The first time was that he told the story worry about his mom. Having cancer at the final tribal council and that is why he won the game that it was it. Was this revelation that he we told that the Philanthropic Council and that's what won in the game because that then of course that he won't be able to have that revelation at this season and so Adam is less of a threat because he will not be able to tell that story again shore and this goes back to the sort of like if we're saying like oh everyone thinks Adam one because of his mom but we know Adam didn't win because of his mom like they all know that also and that's what I struggle with and I'm surprised is that Adam. I think if anything. It's going to hurt Adam because Adam is out to prove that he didn't just win because of his mom we all know that Adam. It's okay like we. We're behind behind you are I am. But that's the other thing too is if your strategy is that your a goat then like how are you gonNa in a flip that and get the respect at the end. I always feel like the take me. You can beat me. You think are just one of my mom. I just go on because of my mom like how do you then convince everyone that that's the case and also convince them that that's not the case in. You should win this season. I almost think like everybody who feels like they have something to prove who from their own season needs to shed that and come up on the beach fresh because it's not. I don't think it's going to help his game. I don't think it's GonNa hurt his game unless he's focused on it. I mean the Guy One ten zero so I always hated that narrative that Adam one because of the story about his mom I mean is it's an incredible story. It's a very sad story and did I'm sure everybody on. The jury was touched by that but ten people ten of ten voted for him. It's just like with with with Jeremy. It wasn't because it wasn't because of the story of Al being pregnant. He also won ten zero. They both of these guys got all the votes they. They won because of the Games that they played also with Jeremy. I believe Stephen Convinced everybody on the jury of Jarvi. That's why Jeremy What just get played a very good game. He was a very smart players. Strategic Player even though at times he was brash. At times he kind of told people his energy even if it wasn't beneficial to them and he still likes him and I think he was pretty good at every portion of the game and very good at certain portions of the game. Yeah can you tell. Tell us what is on your list for Adam Klein. I sorta just touched on it from that. At the beginning of the game he was kind of talking talking trash to the tribal council he got in the whole argument with With Taylor about hiding the food and even with J. he would say that it is is in my best interest to go to the end of the game with you and it worked for him in millennials versus Gen X.. But I think maybe he needs to keep some things a little bit closer to the chest if if he wants to navigate himself through this game but I definitely have just like Michelle. I have more prose than cons to Adam. Okay I mean the one thing Adam did so is he made mistakes he did not by any means play a perfect game now. Boom he recovered from those mistakes. And I think to be a good survivor player. You have to be able to do that. You can't always be playing from the top. And he wasn't he had to bounce around. He had to take a back seat. Let you know the Dave Zeke. War occur and then come up again and he knew that for example. You know everyone wants to dave out and so by taking credit for getting dave out he also rose up in the jury's is and so he was able to put all of those things to us and I think that can help him moving forward into to this season. I mean Chris Chris on the jury even said that his that Adams biggest moves turning against David because those two are close game. So I mean if he's able he's been in a position where he's gotten credit for a lot of these strategic moves which is something you can't necessarily say about someone like Michelle but this is also something that's GonNa make him a big threat. Let's talk about some friendly faces that might be out there for them alley Who Do you think are the top allies for Adam Klein on the board? I actually think Adam is in the best position. Socially in terms of options of pre pre existing relationships right. He's got the run-up Brno Alliance of Ben and Jeremy and Tyson and Natalie a part of it who else is seemingly half the cast. He's also got connections like he played. With Zeke we'd have deployed serotonin Sandra etc.. He has has a pre existing relationship with the usual. which almost like nobody can say or speaks you so I think and then I think he's got probably just like he's probably one of Nick's I first steps on the beach like I'm sure they've chatted? Adam is very much nickname and waiting for Adam. Klein Nicholson But so so yeah I think like he's I'm sure I'm leaving leaving people out like I think he's probably in the best position of like knowing the most people are having having read yarn connected to people before having to make the pre-game causal like hi. I'm Adam Klein. Let's be friends and he seems to understand like he was talking about it. How like Sandra is the one who welcomes you into the winners circle and people have been playing this game for fifteen years? And he sort of caught up and ready to go and terms of his pre-game game alliances so he's he's definitely in the best social position of the new players for sure and potentially up there with everybody else. Okay all right Jordan. Is Anybody Gunning for Adam Klein. These nerves any enemies for Adam Klein out there. I don't know if anyone's like gunning for him right it off the bat but I do I mean I just. I can't really see him for some reason. He just don't seem like their personalities that would click. I think he and Tony could go either way where Tony could see him as a big threat but tony also really liked working with Spencer but he of course against Bouncer a lot during the game so I think maybe maybe that a group of Tony and Sara might be a potential issue for him going through the list. I mean I think I think he could get along with Sophie. Hey but I could see one of them making a move against the other one in the long run because they're both going to be various diseases players out there and I could see them them seeing the the other one as their biggest threat. I don't really see any major enemies for him either. Now nothing really comes to mind in terms of somebody that it has to be has had issue with Adam Klein in the past day that no. I can't think of anyone either. I think it'll be a situational. I'll vote that gets out eventually. I think he will go along for a while. He'll make the merge hill get into a group and they will get towards the time when he is looking to vote out those meek shields if there are any left by that point and I think it'll turn on him. I think people will say now. We can't let him get to the end this time and I do think that's when they'll get him out. Probably around seven seven. Okay Okay Jordan. Give a prediction for Adam. Scott Klein so it's almost the opposite prediction of Michelle. I could see her getting like eat between like like pretty pretty far to medium far but not necessarily winning but not going early. I think Adam is someone who has a better chance of winning than Michelle but I also I think he has a better chance of going much earlier than Michelle. No I do I. I'm pretty high in him because of the some of these relationships that he has with people before the game and and I think he does have winter upside but I also think he has pre merge upside if people start to say Adam client is super duper fan. He knows this game extremely well and and he might be a threat to me because while he might have a relationship with me he might have a better relationship with somebody else so I think he he's going to be on either end of the spectrum. Either go really far or not go so far and I. I would like to think that he is going to be on the better. End The spectrum where he goes far in the game and has a chance to win. Okay Allie was that at the New York Times op Ed of predictions from Jordan Gaelic. Maybe although well anyway you don't want me to answer that. Yeah so the thing without him is. I thought he had a really good chance to win until not to step on the issue. Look but until I saw this photo in this whiny baby that they made his everybody. Looks like unbelievable and all the photos and this smarmy man is Adams cast photo and honestly. I'm worried about him. You don't like cross harms. I think cross arms or good right out soda. He came out for us us. Army little toddler who didn't get his way. I didn't win this season. That's what that says to me but I'll wait for bryce opine on that you have to wait for too through all the other thing. I want to say quickly about Adam. I meant to say before but I didn't say where I think he's going to finish but I think back to talk about how he like. elax season hit a major part of his life and not talking about his mom. And Yada Yada Yada. My went through something similar with my dad and I cannot imagine not telling people for thirty nine days. What you're actually going through and thinking about every day? So in this respect he can truly truly actually fully be more himself. which could only be making more likable? We'll see maybe. They liked that he was all those who knows. I think he's making the merge I actually I think everyone we're going to talk about besides one is making the merge and I'm not I I showed this David and before that I like road out who I think is making the merge and not because they didn't want to just say like everyone's making the merge like fifty million person merge so I. I'm not just saying that for everyone but I think Adam is. Maybe it's just wishful thinking. Maybe it's an emotional pig is going to is going to get through the first half of the game. It's a very worst he'll be on. The jury may be on the jury who knows us. Yeah I will say and this is again. Obviously something I like to talk about. He has played live games since he's played. And I know that live games. Don't really translate to the actual survivor. You're not starving for thirty days on a beach but it does get you thinking about strategy. He someone who I think is constantly thinking about survivor. He's played some of these games before or like the Austin truck. Birthday game in Maryland. And the the Bob Crowley game so he is someone who is like keeping his sword sharp and he is pulling off moves thinking about strategy again. I don't think it's something that is necessarily going to be like. Oh He's played live games. He's going to now win survivor. Because all these other people haven't done that except for Wendell. Oh but it is some things that I don't think it hurt but I think he could only help when it comes to you always being that head space applying survivor. who had fifty seven forty nine nine for Kayla's bringing it up to so my feeling on this I think I'm I'm not not as rosy as you guys are? I think the atom is going to be considered to be a threatening presence because I I that people feel like. Yeah Adam knows everybody here. I don't know if he has a best friend. That's out there but I feel like that. He's pretty social. Probably with more than half the cash. And that's worrisome. So it's sort of like I think that he has sort of like the threat level of he knows everybody but I'm not sure he has his person who's out there who's like I will die for Adam Klein out there. I will do anything for Adam Klein and I will stop at nothing to protect Adam Kline so I'm very concerned about him. I think he has a thing of like. Oh okay we gotTA watch out for this guy. He's seen every single season and he knows he knows our games and and he's also not somebody who is a beast in the challenge. Is that's GonNa really help you in the pre merge so I feel very sympathetic ZIP athetic towards down inclined because I do feel that he has a very good chance. I think to have a similar fate to me in all star so I'm worried for Adam Klein. I think that he could be pre merged person. That'd be my prediction for him. Wraps triggered I am. I like to see it. I don't like to see it but I'm worried about about Adam and I think that people they sneaking up on as many people as That he thinks he might be sneaking up on in this season and and I don't think he has. I think that he has the network of connections to protect them. I think he knows everybody else. Knows that You know I do think Jordan. The people do. But he's he's a serious gamer and he loves the stuff and he doesn't miss an episode and he's seen he knows every single like minutia of part of the game and so I think that is threatening. I think that people would rather be around somebody who is like wait. What's going on? Where am I and I think? As opposed to Adam who is so knowledgeable that everybody's tells I think he's a threatening presence yet but maybe if they listened to his this week in survivor history performance where he got zero points with Andrea Berg and maybe that takes the threat level off both of them pretty sure all of them did listen to that as I think you'll listen Ethan. And he's listening to that. We like Adam then as mayor of Edward Extinction. Oh you think you could be the first boot. Well I'm saying if you're saying he's he's I think look it depends on what tribe. He's he's tribe. He's on obviously and how Close Rob Boston rob is to him. I feel like because I think that's his biggest. I mean I said earlier. I think that's like my biggest risk for Adam is that rob is like you know drops a hammer on him. But maybe I'm just also triggered from all-stars but I thaddeus might meet clients. Help that the Boston rob might be more trouble than Adam client as well. So if Adam goes for like who you haven't talked about this look who's the best option for leave it to the bottom of the barrel. podcasts of the last four five winner was recent winners to talk about this. But who's I think Adam would be mid tier not my first pick to be the mayor of edge of extinction honestly. I wasn't thinking of him at all. We will get to one person who I am. AM thinking of but ver-very tweet. But I I understand rob what you're saying. I just don't think he's the biggest threat out there. You've got Sandra. You've got Boston rob you've got amber. If that's the tribe that goes out you've got Tyson Jason. There are all these other big players out there and no one well. He's no one that I remember when they were asked based on the ET candidate interviews. Who played the best winning game? I don't remember Adam's name coming up But I so I feel like that on the level of threats to that need to go early I feel like Robin. Sandra are sort of like tier by themselves but then I think after that then I think you have a few different people that are boy. They're really smart. Do I trust this person. They know the game so well. And these are the people that I'm really worried about Out As we get into around the between pre swap around the swap until the merge. I'm very concerned. Do Winners in twenty twenty. WanNa say this person knows the game like is not a bad look for you as a winner to be like. Oh this person's a real fan of this show as opposed to me. Some goon who. It just happened to win like I know people have said that before but to me. It's like the most ridiculous thing to say on camera like. Oh this guy is a big fan of this. Show that we're all on in one and then has some of us made it our career gotta get him out but it's also known people a lot of times where they are big fan of the show but they keep it a secret and now it's sort of like now. That's not a secret anymore. That Adam is undoubtedly the biggest fan. That's out there is going to get it but like they all won the game like some of these people have played five times. Two people just went for fun last season like I know you said their threat level midnight. Everybody else's next year. But I I I'm sure it comes up. I'm I'm sure people say like atoms the Superfan but it's just wild to me that these people who have made it their livelihood threatened by this big fan of the show. They're going to say it. I just think it's Kinda crazy. Somebody's gotta go home every three days. I this is why I think he's like very like high high risk high reward where he could potentially you know if his super fast status does catch up with him. It could be a good buy for him very early. But he's able to use the strategy get himself far in the game get to the end. If if he does have this superfan status which we know he has and he gets to the end he's going to have people are going to say. Oh Adam got to the end. He does this game really well. He must have been the most impressive person out of that final three. So I think that's GONNA re. It could really hurt him a really helping which is why I don't really see him going like in the middle portion unless of course down in the numbers anyway idol out. But if it's just a clean vote I can see either being a really early exit for Adam but I think it's more likely that he gets very far and and I think that sort of like the counterpoint. Do what I'm saying is that I do think that if he can get to the merge that I do think he has that high upside. I like you're talking about. I think you gotta get him early. Because I think that he's one of these people that then he's never going to be your target once you get to the merge and then all of a sudden now now he's able to really get his feet under him really play his game and of course he's such a great speaker if he gets to the final three watch out but I think that those are all the more the reason that people will want to go after him early because then he becomes such a big threat if he gets to play his game after the merger. Okay all right. Let's move to the third third of our five winners. They're gonNA talk about tonight from seasons thirty five heroes vs healers versus Hustler's. Let's talk about ban. Bergen Okay Jordan young season thirty five. He's been much maligned and then he just finds the idols. That's made a fire. Just finds the idols. Can you give us some of the pros that you have for pendry Bergen. So one of the pros on my list is that he finds idols and advantages and obviously use use that very successfully during his time in on the game. But I think maybe his most impressive stretch was when he was the mole in that in that Devon Alliance and he was able to get a lot of information from from Chrissy and Ryan so I think if he's able to kind of be the social chameleon which he was for a little bit of the game I think it really could help him But I think the second he leaves camped people are going to be like looking for an idol. I'm worried about them. David do you feel like that. Eh Ben will be seen as somebody that he is looking for the idols. We gotta get rid of him. Yeah he and Tony should get together and just off into to the woods start. They can't follow all of us. Yeah Yeah I do think that people forget why he had to get to that point of just using idols and it's because he was playing a very good game up until that point he I mean he had some issues with his social game. I think Joe Joe call the horrible social game. I especially like the part when Chrissy told Ben People are starting hiring to feel a tiny bit steamrolled by you and he said no no. They're not kind of the point but up until that point you know. He had been the working strategically he had been the mole like Jordan said he had he despite the social game aspect. Ski Ski had what someone called a natural charisma and they all turned on him because they were worried about him. Winning the game name. I know part of that was him being marine in his story and everything else but who also playing a pretty good game until that point and that's why he had to go the idol route because there was no other route for him. No one would work with him. No one listen to him and so if I know this gets back to what Ali was saying. If we're talking about this and the others are talking about this but maybe if people didn't go back and re study triple triple h remember that he actually can play a decent game. David Cues reset the story of Ben being the mole again because there there was a there was the plot where it was. Lauren got to win the reward and then she got to bring what four people with her. And she took a Ben Devon in an Ashley with her to go on the reward and then they were going to then pull one over on Chrissy and and Ryan and then Ben was GonNa pretend that he was still with them to make this vote happen and they made Ben vote with Chrissy and Ryan and then the other three. You then voted with Joe Montana and Dr Mike to vote out J. P.. Is that right. That sounds right. I think you're just summarize I wanted to take turn right and then Chrissy and Ryan. We're very. We're very upset with Ben after that. Correct Jordan yeah they. They were not happy with him and at that point they sort of made it their mission to try to get him out of the game and of course it didn't work because he was immune it basically every tribal the council down the stretch. I I I do. Think like the fact that his biggest social attribute of being the mole is something. That in retrospect is a sneaky thing to do. I kind of think if people did study his game which I. I'm pretty sure a lot of them probably did. If you're going out and you're playing a game for a million dollars or now actually two million dollars you probably would at least watched like the best videos of all these people. They're going to know that he did that. And I think that this is another another thing that might end up hurting him. The only the other thing that I think can maybe help him is that he did no one to play his idol. He was very good on taking up the vibes from other people and his ability to read people as maybe something that could save him early on. But I don't know how long this work alley yesterday. Talk to me about pendry. Bergen sure back. And that's actually not correct Jordan. I did pick them early on and actually to into into drafts I did but I actually think there's no chance to win the game but I think there are a couple Perot's in Ben a two point. Oh it's like I feel bad for them because he please jump in here any one if you think. I'm wrong about this but ben has to have the least respected game in the eyes of the other winners like I feel like these. Other winners prolly respect his game the least to the point where I don't even know if they would expect him to be on if they're like we're looking at the the the clip show. I'll push back against that a little bit. I feel like that's I don't think that that's the way. Hey that the other players nothing to get all Stephen Fishbach but to think that you know does amber have a ranking of the winners. There's wins along the way that I necessarily. Maybe Adam might have a those things in terms of like tears of the quality of the wind. Most of the other players. Think about the way they don't look at it through the Lens of Fan or podcast there. I just think that you know That he won his season. He found idols. I'm sure that they know the short version of the story. But I don't think that anybody looks down on the quality of that win in terms of the other players that are out there years where I say it I say because he his season introduced the fire making challenge. Otherwise I think it's almost indisputable that he would have gone in home and I think a lot of the winners have talked shit about the fire making challenge and a lot of players have talked to you about the fire making challenge and and even. I think it's actually more more to the point that like someone like amber doesn't have like a scrub list. I just think generally that perception would be that. He's not a huge threat that he he had this great win. Or this impressive game. I think actually like what David was saying if you drill down to it. There's probably more to uncover that people are not doing. Even when you said like that goes to my point. I actually think with Ben. It's probably not what I've been saying this all the time. That like people probably are just being like uh the fire making challenge. It's like an ruin this season for him finds idols But I would say Tibetans credit. He's coming in a lot more fun. I I'm not saying that he's funny. I'm saying he's trying like if you read his bio and he's wearing his lion underwear hilarious man like he's really impressive. He's wearing some fun underwear so I'm happy for him He shed some pounds sounds. He's excited about that. I think he's coming in his answers again. Not Funny in the Bio but trying to which I can appreciate and I think like tell me. I'm not what this person. But tell me production Hashtag ben bomb you know. I don't think that I don't think he's GonNa get set up with an idol or whatever. I just think like that the survivor gods are in his favor in that sense anymore. No but that was his whole season. It was cash anymore but to add to what you're saying about about bad and that he's being you know this time he's being funny but that's who he is. He's a lenses goofy person and I think he has a really good sense of humor and I think that that was there all along. And he's somebody who was really really liked by his cast but for the most part. I think that most of the people who played in his season really came away from his season with a a close relationship with him and I don't think that he's doing anything differently. This time in terms of being funny or trying to have fun out there. I think that's the same same guy who played in season thirty five hundred and but I think he's adopting slight with it. I mean how many Ryan already references is he gonNa make like I just think he's he's taking it for for two million dollars. He seems to not be taking himself so seriously. which I'm not necessarily saying at least in the bio is one hundred percent new and I'm looking at that but like sure? Yeah yeah he did his whole like bend. That was driven by him. He likes to have fun. I guess but I'm happy to see. I don't even know what I'm saying. Whatever I want to say about this though is that I do think there's if if looking generally at the cast? There's sort of this like strong blue-collar vibe I think Ben Fits in new really nicely and we'll talk about his allies but I think he is going to be able to sort of more naturally get along with people on the island lind even though he has some pre-game relationships I think he is going to be able to vibe. Well with some of the people who maybe don't have those relationships more so than some of the other people people are talking about tonight. I will say I I have said I've given more cons than pros about Ben so far I know that I will say that. It's no disrespect towards him as a survivor player or a character. I really enjoyed watching him in survivor. Age Age and I really did like a lot of the things that he did. He was an entertaining guy to watch. I I do think when you look at his win. I don't think the players are out. There are going to care about like the you know how much they respect his his previous win. I don't think that's really GonNa be a factor But he was in a position so many times in that game where he would have been. The person voted out. If he didn't have an idol he would have been. The person voted out. If they didn't add the final four are fire making twists. He doesn't have that experience at endgame experience of pulling together a coalition to get somebody out because he was always the person that was going to be on the outs- he played an idol and Lauren remember went home with one vote. That's not building alliance to get somebody. That's you playing idol and getting somebody else. So I think he sort of lax that that leak game alliance-building experience and I do think coming out of the game. You Know Dr. Mike talked about it going into h on on I went out that he has a ferocity about and even if he's coming in as a joke year version of himself. I still think he's going to have that. I think people are GonNa be afraid of him and the second he's by himself people are going to be worried about what he's he's doing. And that's why Ben lost two different ways that this could go for. I think that there is that if ben goes back to. Hey I'm out out here. Like SORTA like I'll russell returning for his third time. Once he goes out and then I gotta find an idol. I need an idol out here. Yeah I'm naked without an idol. I think he's done once he starts being shady and looking for. Where's bed? Always looking for the idol again. All right that's it we. We can't go through this but if ben just acts like a normal person and isn't out looking for the idol every five seconds and is like the likable. I'll go fee person which you talked about in his bio that that he can be. I mean that's that's him. Then I I think he has a great chance to make a lot of social bonds and be sort of looked at as like. He's not a backstabber. He we talked about the story of how the time that he was a mall. But David I think that he would be looked at as somebody who is a loyal vote that we can count on and he was loyal more or less the until the point when he kept walking up on his allies and they were talking about him. which was so funny? I mean he's a big guy and yet somehow he always snuck up on them. But he's a Murray I I do think that he will he. He can be seen that way and is is someone had mentioned about. Everybody left everybody on his cast. Liked him and almost everybody almost everybody but like Ryan said on the red carpet that as good survivor player as Ben is he's a better person now. Some people might quibble with the survivor player. Aspect of that. But you you know. I do think that part of the reason he won was that everybody thought he was going to win. It became a self fulfilling prophecy. You gotta get Ben Out or else he'll win and then eventually they couldn't get out so he won but I think he would be a good loyal ally and until you you need to get rid of him and then I think he'll he'll get idle nullified a game. That would be the perfect physically. I mean he he does seem like a really a good person. I mean on on podcast on people coming off the show and various things on the show even when he was clashing with somebody. It never seem malicious never. I don't think anyone's ever accused him of being a bad guy. But all it takes is like a fight at Kelly. He fought with Coal Joe Christie. That's all it tasted. Sometimes get yourself voted out of the game. AM and I. I don't think he's and again. I've definitely been down on him. I don't think that he doesn't have a chance of making the merger anything I just. Except for maybe Tony He may be made the most short-term enemies of anybody on this cast in his original season and I don't I don't know if that's can happen again people were might be so focused on like the strategy of the game that they maybe things like people's quirks around Cam for their their tendencies. That might annoy you. Maybe people know well enough if they're winners to not let things bother you but it's it's just human nature you're there for you know actually everyone's GonNa fight probably be there for thirty nine days because of the edge. He may end up having some of these arguments with people. Okay Alley great allies out there for Ben Injury Bergen do. Ben is also a part of like tin gingerly. Run it up Reno crew wrecked so who is in. So he's is also out of the New People he's the only parent I know there was a lot of parent talks on on the earlier roundtables And he definitely loves her kids but he definitely definitely seems to really love his kids. He's said he's got the strong sort of blue collar vibe. I think he could connect with Sarah and Tony and nick and and Not that Nick is blue collar but the southern thing and you know I just see like I also could see like rob utilizing band or somebody. Somebody like rob. Utilizing ben is like a loyal for lack of a better term soldier. I think ben is prime to sort of get taken under the wing of a majority alliance at just roll roll aside. I know that's not what originally happened to him. But I feel like he could be solid Melbourne. I think he would enjoy that. I think that's like Ben would like that. So I think Ben's actually in a pretty good position I mean. He's got the military thing that could connect with Sandra. She's meeks if more than one week so I think Ben could make like there are a lot of people who have similarities eighties to him on this season now Jordan. I don't know if we got through your cons list And I do feel like though that between the idols. Also between Ben is marine that I don't I don't want to go to the end of the game with with Ben Again in terms of that he's got a great story. Worry that kind of think that people would get rid of like. You can't be taken ben to the final six right. He's GonNa he's GonNa find the idols. Yeah I I really. Don't don't see him getting that far in this game like I don't know if he's necessarily going to be a first boot because there are bigger targets out there than vendor Bergen but like I could see him getting you know being targeted swab. I could see him. Maybe like kind of in that area right before the swap right after after a swap. If there's a second swap I don't see him being able to get through all these like these things that the Games throw at you and getting to the merchant. He's he's one of the people that I'm not the lowest on added this cast out of the five people were talking about today. I think he is the lowest chance to win. And the lowest chance to get very far in the game. Okay David Yeah I. I'm a little bit Jordan Taylor Sean. This offensive fancy fencer on this just as the arguments have gone back and forth I. I do think he could be a first boot. I think that it could be a situation. Where there's a lot of people aiming at the big the big target big argument and then someone one says well? What about Ben? I could see that happening. I could also see it in the swap or the merge. I think that could just easily happen where it's not that someone is trying to target him. It's just that no one is willing to risk it to keep him around. And and so I I feel like if he makes the merge he's one of the first at the merge but I think he's probably out pre merge. Okay Okay I'll lead you prediction for been. Yeah I'm not here to be here for the hot takes rate so allie bombs. I think as I said earlier despite picking him two of my drives. I think that Ben has zero chance to win the game and look I win. He wins so I'm still happy. Their Wagon C.. Depends for ten. I think he's the merge and gay makes them urge I think he's the merge I think probably right around there would be my prediction on Ben. I think that that he he is a likable people. WanNa keep him around. He's a number but I think that just in the back of people's heads like boy we can't let this guy get too far because if he gets close enough where the starts to get where that final four is on the horizon a couple of idols and making the fire fire. You can't let him just have that free shot on goal again so I feel like around like final nine final final ten like sorta like early merge might be where Ben ends up getting picked off here. Okay all right anything else on Ben all right. Let's talk that much he do. He did beat the fourth grader survivor. Of all time. Hausky so there is that. Let's let's talk about Wendell. Wendell is back from Ghost Island and he is the second most recent winner to appear. David What did you think of Wendell one point? I mean Wendell one point Oh it is. It's hard to do this because I I've met Wendell and having met Wendell I under stand. Why wendell one because his social game is off the charts whether you you know in the game in person whatever it is but on the other hand Wendell one in a very specific way and that was through his is alliance with Dominic and the two of them working together that closely? I don't think he can replicate that. He's going to have to do something different because because for one thing. There's no way that the other people on Ghost island season should have allowed a tight duo like that to continue the way they did but dominick Wendell managed to control everything and keep them cells protected. Who is Wendell's dominic? This time I don't I don't see it happening. And he has. He has a lot while. I'm I'm guessing. He has a lot of contacts in the in this group. But I don't know that he has any contacts that are as tight as he needs them to be and that worries me when it comes to window alley. Can you help me. Talk about. Wendell's season thirty six game but not in the context of bringing up Dominic Soley. Wendell yeah not solely Wendo but we could talk about Laurel and Linda and that's the thing it's like not only who is. Oh I was. I thought that was a joke because I. I don't know that how you could talk about windows. Game Without Dominic. What is the Wendel strategy? That was like a journey. Funny I was trying to dominic dom dominic and in terms of like win like. What is the wave? Wendell views the game my understanding of how Wendell views the game is exactly what he said in the video. I got no blood on my hands like we had a strong alliance that ran through the end. He's nice to everyone. He he developed one one on one bonds within greater alliances which explains why he got laurels. Vote at the end he was he he got advantages. He played them in a showy way in front of the jury he he saved Laurel and it worked for him. And I know that's my concern. Exactly what David said is like not only who is dumb. But who's his Laura Laura Key p barely one and not that. I think a ten zero game is more impressive than a six five Game at all but I duNno Wendell's coming in saying like I'm GonNa backstab a little now and I think his best case scenario is that people think of him exactly how we're describing him of. He's a loyal person who's going to be looking for his number one and he'll protect people just like how you know. Jeremy looked at Stephen Looking by WANNA be his JT. Like maybe. Someone will look at Wendell and say I want to Dahmer. I want to be his laurel and that if Wendell actually is able to be more back stabby or get in the right position which never happened him ghost island to take out the dumb or I guess the Laurel. I think that's sort of best case scenario. I don't know I don't think well I think Wendell is the person who thinks his game worked out perfectly and he's just going to go and be likable. I believe that Wendell's going to change his game enough enough and I agree with David that it can't be replicated Jordan. Do you feel like that. People have the potential to be sleeping on Wendo because they think well it was just him in him in dominic that that was a pair and Wendell by himself. You don't have to worry about him. I do think that's a possibility and I think it's not just the fact that he was overshadowed by Dominic in that season his personality is just he's he's a laid back guy but you always see. He's not laid back to the point where he's h chilling. Yeah exactly exactly athlete. He is a laid back guy but he doesn't appear to be aloof he doesn't seem like one of these guys that doesn't care about the game I think he's somebody who who comes in. He's able to make friends very easily. And that's going to help him early on in throughout the game and you ask like what is what is windows outlook on the game. I mean this is a quote that I wrote down from his his final tribal council. He said I wanted to be kind of social kind of athletic kind of smart. I wanted to all these pieces of these pieces of the true and let people know who I am. Let people know who I am. I am speaks to a social game. Everyone felt like they were friendly with them and they knew him and then the kind of social ton of athletic kind of smart he wasn't he wasn't and I think he he sort of souls himself short there and the fact that the way he talks is sort of a modest way of speaking. I think he was more than kind of social. I think he was more than kind of athletic. And I think he was more than kind of smart but he wasn't coming off as the biggest threat in any of these three categories which is really what helped him get further in Ghost islands and I think is going to help him in in winners at war and I think I was rooting for Dominic. I wanted dominated when I if if I were on that jury. I probably would've voted for him but like David was saying through meeting Wendell at these events you can see why he won and even in dominant post game podcast and multiple the podcast. That he's done. There's a lot of things that Wendell did on the show that we didn't see that were very strategic. He's also a very good ally as Allie said he is going to protect the people he's working with and I think he's someone who a lot of people are GonNa WanNa work with David. What changes do you see Wendell? Making his game in in season number forty well the question goes back to what Alison does. He realize that he needs to make these changes. And and you know He. He's he's got to just try and find a way to do a lot more work on his own. I don't I think he can play that same game and so the question is does he. How much does he recognize it? And he's a smart guy. I I do know that he said in his Canada video. I think that he's going to pull back on doing some of the things that he was doing like. He was building all the furniture for the camp. And he's not going to do that anymore. Now does that really change anything in chunks of furniture. This I mean no no. I know swing no chest of drawers you know. But what is he going to do to change. And some of the other things that he and dominic were were doing was was they were only keeping the people that they could control well that were spine in that season but who in this cast. Is he going to be able to control troll. I don't know the answer to that. I think that he is going to have to come in and play more from the bottom this time and just this kind of work his way up and hope that he can and it. I realized that I've been saying that a lot for for some of these new players. But I think it's because this is the group of new players. They don't have all the relationships. Yes wendell has more he prob- Second Adam in this group. He you know he's probably right up there but he does not have fifteen year relationships and he's going to have to find a way to get into those and I don't. I don't think just being a nice guy is going to carry the day Allie. Do you have a sense of what Wendell's threat level is in terms of how the other players view you him. Yeah I mean I think it's it's low. I do think it's low. I think I think what he said in his video about taking direction from Tony and rob and it's almost like what we said could be Adams upside of being a superfan of being willing to sort of strokes egos that meet stroking when will seems willing linked to do that too without having this sort of superfan threat that we talked about before I agree. I don't know that like making the island less fun and comfortable. Is it GONNA help. Sorry I'm glad I was just going to add to that. You talked about being going to help out a rob and Tony. There was another universe. I think that's who we thought. Dominic Kabbadi might be like the next clone of Boston rob or or or a Tony. But Yeah Al You. You've run a the making the furniture. Maybe maybe that's edge of extinction time. I think also Wendell look. I had about an hour and a half long chat with John. Jonathan honest informant earlier today in your headphones right. I saw that happened. How that worked out will the Houston Astros? So I got that okay. So but I but he was saying like you have to remember that Wendell got all of the votes of the people who spent the most time with them and dom got the votes of the earlier people which drew kind of bodes well for an edge of extinction attention if Wendell ends up on edge of extinction comes back. I do think I don't know that he's the most likely return but I do think he's someone who could win coming back. especially if he's he's charmed. David really did not like that. But if he's made edge of extinction better he's that likeable and people really get to know him. I mean just based on the fact that the last time people voted voted for Wendell. Everybody's coming back from the we are having the best time on the edge of extinction. Wendell built bunkbeds. Fantastic Eh. He's Dick I'm very air. I'm very high one dole going into this game and again I'm my my pros and cons. I con that I wrote about Dole is that he has so many positive attributes that he might come off as a threat. Yeah I really like. I don't see where people are coming after him early and I can see him and I don't think he can. Necessarily I think he could play a similar game to what what he did last time but I think if somebody plays the dominant game and he goes to the end with that person I think in this game. He doesn't win but I think if he plays a similar game to what he did which was even though it's known for being the social game because has next to dominic. You're not going to come off as the more strategic person. But I don't think it was non-strategic Michelle saying where she didn't really put any votes together. Wendell was in that position of power where he dominic work together and strategize together and he actually brought brought a lot of people into that alliance so I think he's sort of like I kind of think he's similar to Michelle but I think he has the winner upside where I think. It's going to be a tougher road for someone like Michelle. Allie do see any the Potential allies for window. Listen this is just the other half of the relationship that I stand hard of Michelle and Wendell but no I think look Wendell. Bill has been to me his big energy. I feel like that's a connection that has no basis in except for the fact that Wendell seems close with Jeremy. Wendell said he he. You would play the most like Jeremy and his first bio so. I think that's a connection and inroads to Tony but I just think like Tyson. I think Tyson and Wendell will really can act act like they to me run at a similar frequency of being really smart guys but also really laid back and and have both played the sort of strong final two final. Three where Tyson unplayed with Monica. And in the same way that Wendell and and and Laura. We're sort of theory for Wendell so I think that they would really get along. At least dom is sort of his biggest connector. As like dom has really been as much as Wendell's been in the Community Dom host the Holiday Party and his Pool Party and whatever other nonsense and plays poker and so I feel like that could lead to some roads for Wendell but I think Wendell is someone who could really get on the beach and connect with people and shake up the pre-game stuff. David you see anybody else. That could be potential allies for Wendell. Now I think I think Ali listed the same ones. I was concerned about making that face. There that's just the idea of anyone winning from edge of extinction again. It's it's a natural automatic reaction for me But now I think those are the same people that I was thinking of that you know he could end up with and and maybe he could end up with more just because he is so charismatic it. It's just hard to say with the way things are gonNA shake shake shakeout with the pre existing alliances versus. Anybody knew that shows up. Yeah I also think that Wendell has inroads with the new players ears. Because he's new but he's for somebody who's new he. Is You know in his thirties. So I think that that's also you know that. He is like closer in age to the people that have played earlier but he actually played in a season who's newer it. Feels like he's been around for a while so he has a a lot of different ways to connect with people. Do you see any enemies the Oxford for For Wendell out here I mean it's it's again the kind of like a similar Michelle. It's hard to find anyone who's going to you. Know be gunning for him right away and who's not going to see him in automatically like him because because he's such a likable guy but you know some there are going to be people who even though he doesn't come in with the same threat level as like a Boston rob or war against rattling or someone like that. I do think that people recognize that. He's a dangerous player. And I think that anyone could potentially be an enemy because of that but I don't think there's any specific person who's not going to like him and like I said before I think Wendell's GonNa go really far Someone who we have spoken about yet. I could see him an ethan getting. He's sort of reminded me of Ethan and it was his his alliance with lax with sort of reminded me of Wendell dominate. Where where you have one? WHO's like the big social threat one? WHO's the one seen as the bigger strategist and I don't know if that makes big time that Jonathan in this situation I don't think so no? I don't think big time comparison from from go silence but I I just and that's why he's going to do so well in the game. I really don't see Dini natural enemies. Okay who's the worst wrapper on the season. We think that's a Good Question Badly Rob Upright did he wasn't he wasn't Realism I think he could do it. More LA AH than rapper. Yeah you know what I think. Could get along with. Denise Denise famously had a had a great relationship with Malcolm and he was sort of like it was sort of unexpected alliance and I could see them having similar personalities off the charts social player. I think there's a couple of these people that are on this. Cast where you you could put them in a room with almost any single person who's ever been on the show and they'd be able to get along real well with them so I think that when Dole is not have a problem album making friends all right. So let's talk about prediction for for Wendell. Is there anybody that thinks that he's going to be out before the merge on the panel all right. So how. Are we going alley. How how far is Wendell getting? I didn't I thought I did enough putting everyone for your post merge. How far is he getting exactly? I don't know I don't think he's winning the game. I'll say that I think he's post merge not winning post post merge not. Winning wins amazing. You can like that's like half the gas. I'm like incredible season seven. We'll go Taylor's combat Jordan said yes. I think I think my floor for him is is six or seven th I do see him as having very high winner upside and I think of the whole of of these people he he would be the person I think would be most likely to win and also I think he has the lowest chance of going early. The I think I'm not one hundred percent sure whom I winner pick is. It's going to be between Jeremy Wendell. I'm sort of leaning Jeremy but I would not be shocked if Wendell one. Okay David David Bloomberg. I don't I don't see him as winning mostly because I already decided. I think Sophie's going to win Dan but yeah I do think he'll post merge I'm going to put them in the early post merge. I think that something's going to happen. Where he's going to appear to be enough of a threat that the he's he's just going to get knocked out right around? That early post merged okay alley. Yes I ah I look now. That you see Germany's your winter. Pick I actually see Jeremy and Wendell going to the end together and Jeremy beating him I think look. I'll probably probably go more on the Bloomberg side of things here and say like middle to early post merged for Wendell but again I do think look I think this would come out ten different ways if they played at ten different times and I don't think when those drawing dead I just I don't feel it in my bones you know. I don't feel like he's the winner I still feel like a somebody. Who's a parent is going to win? I feel like that just like we saw in the last time. We had the second chances. I mean that that was a- An important thing for the jury this two million dollars I think that this is you know a life changing amount of money to give to somebody and I think that I think that the people that don't have the single people without kids. I think are going to be have a hard time in the in the final three so I don't think you you pick when they'll to win but I felt like he'd be right there like what if he what if he gets to the end in promises to have children with unlikely. Okay all right. That'd be that'd be something something that'd be something whole dating rumor with. Michelle comes true and they get engaged on the spot. Look now you're thinking outside the box. So that's that's okay that's happening. Let's talk about the Final Person Twenty the twentieth person. We'll talk about here in our survivor winner. Roundtable Nick Wilson is back David Bloomberg yes he is and he was my winter pick on his season so you see him the first time out I. I don't remember that was a long time ago like a year or something. I just saw someone. I knew he was a fan. Obviously I I knew he was a podcast listener and so I just and he was using the old JT. AWW shucks. I'm I'm just a dummy from the south you know and and I worked at some point. That's going to stop working but it continued to work and but this time I am predicting a very very different outcome and I know earlier I had said Ben has the possibility of being the first out but I really think nick will be one of the first five people out okay. Well let's let's circle back to that. Let's look about what Nick did to get him here. Jordan Jordan. LE- let's talk about nick. Wilson winner of David Versus Goliath. Some said best season ever donut me. Nick Wilson was the which. Yeah well what. What did nick do right to win? David versus Goliath. I mean I think the two things that really stand out to me with him are the one on one relationships we he made with multiple members on the cast with side with Mike White with Christian with Lisa. He had a lot of very close US relationships where I think they. A lot of people looked at him as potentially the number one and if not number one their number two so I think it was a social bonds even though it didn't out of the gate it didn't look great. It looks like if pat wasn't met at that he may have been the first person voted out and there have been some some stories disputing that. I I don't know it's it's hard to tell if the edit The other thing is that he's a very very creative player. Not only does he find advantages. He finds idols. He comes up with very interesting ways of using these advantages he came came up with the minority vote. Split which is something that we hadn't seen before I thought it was a very strategic play when he when he used the steal of vote against against Dr Alison and that caused people like. I believe it was Tara and I don't remember who the other person was carrying And somebody's switch their vote in sort of helped break up the Goliath alliance so he he's always thinking outside the box and he is not not only using the strategic game. He's using social game as well so I think that is going to help him. What is going to hurt him as I think? Black of connections. He has with people on this past Aston. It's not his fault. He's just the newest winner. WHO's on this cast? And also the fact that whatever it is that almost caused him to potentially be first boot in survivor. David versus Goliath breath. If he doesn't change that and I don't even I can't even really put my finger on what that is. I think maybe they didn't see him as genuine at first. I don't know I don't know what the reason was. That could potentially eventually caused them to go pre merger in this game alley. How do you think that Nick Wilson is perceived by the other players coming into this season as the newest of the twenty winners? Yeah that's a good question. He's actually the first person I looked at into the research of these five. And so I also did like a pros kearns barnes and then I got bored doing that for the rest of them so I probably have the deepest analysis of Nick Ready to go here how he perceives. That's an interesting question. I think thank nick is like I don't know that he's I don't remember him playing off like the bumbling southern person but again I defer the panel I think he's he's perceived as a really intelligent guy like I think that that's dangerous trade to be perceived as in survivor like they know he's a lawyer that was never a secret He comes off in his in his video. Incredibly intelligent like I think he's known as a superfan maybe not as much as Adamus but So so I think he's going to be perceived as dangerous player. One of his biggest strength in his in his game on David and Goliath is that he he was he was great at relationship building. He did all the nicknames of the alliance's but what I like about nick here is that he says in the video like I'm not going to come do that again. Like that only works once unless somebody asks me and then like you know I'll play the game and I'll play the part but I'm not going to be doing that same thing. 'CAUSE that's tired and it's not gonNA work Don't love the name he's got picked up for your. That's not my business drove. What if he is picked up? You'll he wants to be the geniuses with the old because that's a Korean television show and you'll Korean they're both smart and he likes to show on their strategist so feel more creative. They're nick but anyway it wasn't not that you know the thoroughbreds Zach creative but I was a good strategy strategy so we don't need to knock. The quality of the names are garnered. Some fire tokens are somewhat similar. Sure so so. Oh the other thing I like about nick that I think is that he sort of. He was very flexible. He's known as a person who never had a vote cast against him. I think people we'll know that I think he's not going to be underestimated for at all I can. I think he's jumping ahead. I think David Bloomberg's he's easily the first person out of this especially because he's the newest winner he's on the younger side. He has the least connections enemies. I have some cons oughta stick with the now okay Jordan. What else is on your pros list? He was I think he was a fairly persuasive player. And and I think probably comes from his his background of a lawyer. He's able to at the swap. Convinced Mike and Angelina to vote Natalie out and I think part of that was also Natalie's fault that she she didn't necessarily endear herself to the rest of the people on the Goliath drive but yeah I really just want to the ones I went over before is that. He's he's a creative player. He's persuasive but I do have some some concert and as well I I asked about the pros. You did ask about pros but the pros like I said before. proser rose or sometimes cons the fact that he's a creative player. He was a pretty scheming player. Which I have is if people are doing their homework on him and they're watching his videos? which is how I prepared? So there's five guests They're gonNA know that he came up with a lot of these things that we haven't really seen on the show before and that could be threatening and the fact that it again the interpersonal relationships the fact that he he said he didn't tell people on his first season that he was the lawyer. He can't use that anymore. That's something that is potentially going to hurt him. And I don't no by Robbins even necessarily about about about I boots. I don't know about that. Your rob is still is still sending up their alley. That's good forever. I may never take down. I probably should have used better tapes listening to the Pike Jordan. Kills just poster fall off of your a house haunted Jordan. I just moved that posted there and I think it was like the stuff wasn't sticky anymore. My book as is not usually behind my desk. I did that to make me looksmart but really it's just like Harry Potter. And Game of thrones and baseball and a picture of Blake Blake Thompson all cases. He's smart moved the desk in fried chicken glasses or they just serve these are these are real glasses as you can see. It's all Harry Potter. There's a curb. Your dizzy has invoked up there but anyway yeah he can't use the lawyer lie. He doesn't have a lot of the relationships that other people have and I don't know if he's necessarily a I like Galleon. David seems to think but it's going to. It's hard for me just kind of like I said about Ben. It's hard for me to imagine him. Getting past a swap or to swamps or whatever they decide to do in the pre merge portion of this game okay goodbye Kayla's so hard it's going all right. David Hello Person. I'M GONNA big. Hello you and then you can't stick with US David. That nick made a lot of use of advantages. WANTAGE is in season thirty seven. Do you think that he is going to be seen as somebody like. We're talking about with Ben of that if he ends up wandering off and this was the first episodes of David versus Goliath. Although that was that was a little bit more specifically idle haunting but if he goes goes off looking for advantages. Do you feel like is that going to sort of be in line with how people are perceiving him as A. Oh this guy knows what to do. He's out there looking for his slingshot. He's looking for the next advantage to us. I personally when I think of him. I don't think of him as being that type of title hunter at or advantage. Hunter like the Tony The ban but yes anyone who wanders off is going to get the finger pointed at them uh-huh and so I think he's smart enough. I think he learned you know He. He did seem to be in a bit of trouble. I am one who Jordan mentioned surly or some people think that he was going to go I had it not been for the pats situation. I'm one who doesn't happen to think that I think they edited it that way but yeah he definitely got in some trouble because he wasn't working hard around camp he was trying to you know. Just play the middle and he went too far off the edge edge. I guess you would say and so. Is he going to get in trouble for that. Live in anybody's GonNa get in trouble for that. And I think he in particular may get in trouble rebel for doing just about anything I think if he walks up to talk to rob someone's going to say oh look he's trying to kiss up to rob I think if he doesn't talk to Rob Rob's going to say why wires this new guy not talking to me. I think that he is just in a whole to start from okay. I think if he the second like yeah I think he needs to stay away from naming his alliances again because I think the second he does that organism that he's doing it with everyone like they did in this first season it worked on his first season because we didn't have a playbook on him. Now we do. I think it's going to come off as you know. Sort of like Tony. When he was he started game changers by doing the Llama noise running into the woods making spy bunkers? I think things like that that were such a big part of his. Edit can work a second time I do think he has the smarts smarts and the strategic ability to maybe get himself a couple votes deep. But he's always going to be thought of Latin necessarily is the biggest threat but as someone that people Ordina target I think his best bet. Is that the EGOS targets bill after each other and he can fade into the background because he did well when other people were asking asking him to be in an alliance he did what we call the on the podcast ghostbuster strategy whenever anyone asked if he wanted to be in an alliance he said yes and it is as long as people are asking him. He's in a good place if he has to go running around and trying to ask other people. He's dead. Okay Jordan Jordan. Can you give us something from your cons list I did. I didn't do that before. My poster fell down Roy. Propriety down we have done wrong over all kinds with ready for the fact that he's such a recent player. He's kind of fresh in people's mind. He doesn't have as many connections and a lot of his positive attributes or that he did things that were sneaking in the game. I think that could potentially hurt. And if I we have to predictions no yes okay. Would you like to add al.. Look I think and people in the chat are like so messy se. They're like oh you didn't. You're so down nick. You're so down on whoever it's like we're saying good things about them and people like were down. Whatever I is saying that were high on him and people are GonNa behind him right okay? Whatever aright so a couple of my cons were that I think he the as much as we talked about he'll be known for advantages? I think something. He wasn't so strong with his season which managing the relationships he was making plays like. He wasn't good good at keeping Gabby and Christian in line on his side when he was making moves and I think that is a problem for him like I don't think he managed relationship super super. Well I also think he suffered from extreme bitterness can relate but I think even just the way he responds about how like twitter's the enemy like don't bite the hand that feeds you neck act like you're not above the fans. You're one of us to get it like nobody does more than me on my podcasts. Tell people I don't care what you think. Don't respond promoting and and how this is a con about survivor. Forty this is a con I think also no but I also think he did it in the game when he got played like when things happen that he didn't like he got really mad about it and he was bitter about it and he wasn't able to to sort of adapt and he had to win out in the end and he was playing against Alison and Mike White and the luxury version flipped on him. So so what I'm saying so I'm also saying that I don't think he beat necessarily the boast physical physically dominant eminent people and he had to like wind challenges. And if it comes to that I don't know how he stacks up against the more physical dominant physically dominant players and then but on the flip side of all of these kinds is that nick is a student of the game. He's student of ROB's whatever that means and he should be able to learn even though oh he did win. So right like maybe he'll suffer from what HAPP- what Tyson talks about how. How like if it goes a right for you the whole way? Hey you don't think you've done anything wrong but someone who's a real fan of the show. Maybe he will do some self reflection. I think I was impressed with video. And how he said that. The nickname Tang Blah Blah laso. Hopefully hopefully these kinds won't be too terrible for him but I do think he he will go out early. I was very impressed by his win by I by his first game in general I think he was going up even though as it was a new player cast was going up against some pretty strong competitors and I think he's someone who could could come back on a season and win. I just don't know if this season with the fact that you have so many people who've known each other for such a long time I think that's the main drawback with him. I think if he were to come back and five years and it was either like a mixed winners season. I could see him as someone who could win a second time. David Schenker on my stuff in here do do you think we looked at the return trips for jt as Like any sort of like a blueprint for how this could go because I feel there is some similarity where I think people underestimated them their first time out as they ended up cruising for the win the first time but then. Jt has has had less success each time that he's come out the play where that now sort of people could may be onto knicks game. And and not underestimate him like they might have in the first season. Yeah as much as I compared him to jt earlier. I really don't think they're that similar. I mean Nick did not need a stephen there to help him win the game I think. Jt I think the the reason jt crashed and burned was. He didn't have a Stephen there and You know the two of them really did play the game together. Despite Stephen Not Getting the votes in the end but I just think that it there is the one one comparison I will say is that you can't fool people with the southern charm. The second time mm around when they know you're not a social worker. You're an attorney. And they know that you're not this hic that you're trying to portray and so I do think it may have a similar result but I don't think it's for the same reasons that jt crashed and burned. Yeah I just want to add nick with somebody that we got to see work with his allies were really he different people from all across the board I mean he worked with. He was close allies with Davy. Mike White Angelina Lisa like Christian he worked with every you know archetype that there was of player Carl. He had a diverse coalition of allies throughout the game. So I do think that does speak to his ability that I think he can work with everybody. A more are concerned with how other people are going to look at him and wonder is he shady. We just saw him one. I don't WanNa get tricked by Nick. Can I trust him. I making an alliance with him. Is he making an alliance with everybody. What what's he up to Allie? Sorry I was telling telling Brent to stop stirring shit up in the chat. That should be a blanket. Part of my concern for nick is not so much early in his ability. I'm more concerned that other people are going to be a little a little bit sketched out about how nick in the last game was ahead. Everybody sort of feeling like that. They were a tight ally of his and have to be wondering is he. Is he double dealing with everybody else. That's out here Yeah look I think that I think nick is a big threat and I think for all the reasons we've said and yes they might say like you had all these close relationships with other the people. Why should I believe you? He's even if he doesn't do the nickname saying he was known for that. And so people might might think that. Yeah I mean I I. I think that that could be a big problem for him. I think I don't think any of the cons. Were saying or any of the reasons that he's a threat are because people won't like I can't think I don't think that's the problem. I agree with that and you know what I said before that if he you know comes out and starts giving giving alliances thick names. That's something that's going to hurt. But what if he doesn't doesn't you know what if she decides not to that he doesn't give any of his alliances. Names are people are GonNa think wait. Why don't I have an alliance David? Nick is he doing that with other people so I think it's just too soon. After the first time he played and I think this format of all winners isn't necessarily going to be the best format for Nick. I do think though you talking budgets and Steven. I almost thought of him in his first season. It's kind of like a Stephen Brain. Gt DT Shell where he sort of has the best of both worlds where he's able to as rob said aligned with anyone. I have this actually in my pros list seemingly able to work with all types of personalities and he bolts Elson self to them. I think he has great skills for the game of survivor. I just don't think he has the right skills for this game of survivor skills skills. Just the right situation for him. David no-brainer allies for nick. No no no brainer. Rainer ones right off the top because I mean the clearest ones would be the other new winners but every time. We've been talking about them already Eddie. We haven't really put nick into their no-brainer allies. So I don't think he has any immediate allies. I do you think if he makes it a little bit he can do. What what you guys were just talking about and Jordan you you must have seen the same quotas I did about him molding himself off because that was something Jeff probst said about him was he called him a shape shifter and so but the problem is you have to be there long enough for that to happen and I just don't think he's going to be? Okay what about any potential people. That are OPS OPS Jordan. Did you see anybody that could be gunning for nick. Wilson I do I I. It would be hard for me to see him in like Natalie Anderson Under Center Sophie Clarke. Some of these people working together I could see them coming after him. Right off the bat I can see potentially Someone like Kim straddling coming after him. I think there are not that again. Not that anyone is going to dislike him but I think there are people who are going to just remember this season because it was so recent and just think that he's not my guy. He's not the person that I want to work with deep into the game. He's either a little bit too sneaky and he did it to go to such an impressive level in his first game that they might not want any part of that Ali that we saw that Ethan wrote down Nick Wilson's name from Dalton. Ross where it was the. Who's the person that you would vote out first and then adults has done before I'd be curious to see the How much that ends up? Being impacting the game. There's one thing I learned from Josh during first one out all these seasons that these pre-game impressions. I think do carry over to the game. Do you think that we will see nick. Wilson's name written on a lot. More of these parchments as the preseason goes on. Oh that's interesting sting. I don't know I don't you know no I don't think so. I don't think he's going to be somebody in the preseason that people are necessarily I I was wondering kind of seems like people are scared to be honest and some of the preseason stuff even though like nobody's GonNa see it. I don't know like some people seem very withholding at least in the videos. I I don't know cutesy little like old school beats new school. If we're writing it I do think it's because nick is the person that the loosest alliances senses who is also a big threat. He's like a big known and a big unknown and a big threat. One thing I want to push back on though is the Sophie thing I actually think so. It could be a good ally for Nick and people are going to like come for like oh they have very different political views. Whatever in terms of people may right alliances that well I think anything can bond people I think being Christian can bond you and we've seen that before we've seen Hannah who's not Christian impre with Michelle? who was so like I think people I think Sophie is somebody who would adapt and would oddly get along with Nick? Because they're both really intelligent gin and I think nick like definitely doesn't seem to lead with his politics and I don't think Sophie would necessarily so. I know it's like an unlikely pair bookstore David Nick right like I kind of. I don't know why I'm getting vibes. That they given the opportunity would be a strong unexpected pair and also I feel like that Sophie if I remember member this correctly. I'm pretty sure I did a podcast with Sophie right after Nick ended up doing the move where they ended up. Stealing at Allison's ends vote and I do feel like that. She was actually very high on nick when we did that interview so I don't know how much that carries over to actually meeting the person but I think so I think if he's going to be looking for allies as I think she's going to be very happy to work with Nick Wilson. If they end up together I mean the question is so high on the move though where she's wary of him because he made this move move or does she respect the move and maybe this is something they could bond over. I kind of see it see. I don't really see that relationship going too far into the game. I think it could be more. Were there they're targeting each other because they know they're both such big fans if like the Sophie's and the atoms and the Knicks are able to come together and create some sort of like rh AP AP lions. That'd be awesome. Nick said is one of his pet peeves is know it alls and Sophie has been on the know it all to all right all right Jordan. Do you have a prediction for Nick Wilson. I'M GONNA say pre merge but like post swop pre merge post swap Allie the prediction. For Nick Wilson. Yeah I think he's going early. I think he could be in the first few votes. I think he's e- would be easily a pick just as is the unknown as like the person who's arrived late to the party but if he's not great if you can find out of it Okay David I already made mine whenever I. I've okay one of the first one. Yeah I feel like. He's the same as Adam Klein for me. I just feel like that. Those are the two people that I feel like that the other players are going to look at as I can. We trust them. Are they expendable and people that I are not going to really factor into people's People's long-term plan so I think that they're you know sort of threat. Level Red like Robin Sandra are but I think that they are in that next tier of people who are are going to be expendable and not in the sort of bigger plans that start to come up as we head towards the merge but I do have some questions from Scott saint-pierre who is here in the chat. Let's see if we can get these at in Scott and then fire up. Let's see if I can make this out. This is a question from the chat from Jairo. What percentage that Michelle is winning the season prediction? WHO has the highest number for a Michelle winning the season prediction? Well if everyone was equal there's twenty people so that would mean everyone would have a five percent chance right. This is some careless. It was math the basic answer. I I don't think it's five percent I would say like three percent three anybody pretty higher than three percent for Michelle winning the season I take I take that four percent. Michelle GonNa win the season. I was at two percent you too. That's melk that's not Michelle chances to win the Game David Too. Because it's a little Michelle. Do you treat two percent that no-confidence team like a milk. Guy Luke McDowell can wendell survive without having dominic by his side or Kenny. Find another dominic on season forty but I think he can certainly survive. WHO's most likely to be? Wendell's new dominic. If he has one David I think we were talking about it earlier. Jeremy was brought up in part because Jeremy became Stevens. Jt not the only difference. The only difference is that he became Stevens. Jt because he knew jt. One Dominic already Natalie Anderson. That's a good point too. I don't know this is Jeremy. He can have multiple. You can meet people. I don't think Wendell needs to find another another dominic to the end. I think he needs to use what he does well to get himself to the end like I said before I think that his his strategic game is understated because does he played with Dominic. And I think that's why he's going to do so well. It's going to help them so I think if he goes to the end with someone who plays more of the dominant game. I think. That's obviously the worst possible scenario for Wendell because still means he gets to the end but I think as far as the final three goes. That's not the best scenario I think if he gets to the end using his strengths and because I thought of is more strategic than previous season. That's his best his best outcome. Okay all right. We got a couple more questions this from Scott. Jonathan says is Adam the single biggest threat to everyone in the game. He knows every winning game back to front and can use that to inflate the threat. Ed anybody he wants to target anybody. Buying Adam is the biggest threat in the game. He's a threat but I don't think he's the biggest threat. I think there's people out there that have much that. Are you know like household names when it comes to survivor like Sandra and Robin Harvey Crazy. They got him out of the game but he is a threat I do think he is. I think that there are some people. If they make it to the end they win. Adam is not necessarily one of them. Sandra is if she can make they could all the way you have to give her win. And I know this question wasn't about getting at the very end but leading up to it but I don't think that Adam has has the quite all the connections to make things happen to just kind of wave his magic wand and make someone go away where where some of the other players do okay all right. This is from Dan's discussions. WHO's the biggest goat on this cast alley? We've talked a little bit about ghosts. You see somebody one person that if you go to the end of this person you're GonNa win. Look I mean. That's so hard to say. All of these people have long range like to call any of these people even though I think I did call Michelle possibility being at goat. I think that's really hard. I think there are Michelle as has of as it stands today whatever day. It is the twentieth I think Michelle is maybe people's best chance I think ban is somebody people feel like they could probably beat but is anyone go. No they all lund. So they're all better than any good. That's ever been on okay. I don't think anyone's going into the season. I think if you if someone in the game plays like a goat and a jury feels like other people did the work then. They're the biggest goat. I don't think there's anyone that you could say that about going in okay I agree. Yeah okay somebody will be a goat. So I'M GONNA go from a winner. Oh Yeah Oh yeah for sure. Yeah Okay then South Jersey Easy Pete. I've seen David video onto podcasts. H. Y. X.. Lost goes on video David. WELL IF WE'RE UP TO JESSICA THE ANSWER WOULD BE S. She's already been lobbying before Ho-. Oh what's the holdup is that I have a lot more notes for why blank loss and and it's it's difficult to maneuver looking at notes looking at the camera and you know Gimme time. GimMe Time to adjust is to this newfangled technology. Okay let me do this Bob. Jones says rob had a players look for idle subtly or should. They only look. When they're on the outs I feel like that? If I was Ben if I was one of these people that like. That's my thing finding the idol. I would I would not leave the camp. I think that leave that and for the people that are that don't have that sort of a threat level and then when you need it go look for the idol. It's probably too late. David is that in accordance with your roles. Yeah pretty much okay all right anybody disagree with that. No okay all right. Let's talk real quick about what's coming up here on. Of course the Bachelor Episode Number Two ten am I see yes. Why are you a Bachelor Guy? I've been watching watching watching and listening right now. 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Survivor 40 | Why __ Lost Predictions with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis

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Survivor 40 | Why __ Lost Predictions with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis

"If you want a server in your feeling down. TV Jessica Round. They'll break down the rule sandwich sandwich. Show Zane yourself and gap bullying owns. This is why blank long basis this is Bob Line. Welcome to our special full preseason edition of why blank loss. I'm your host David Bloomberg and at this point every every time I close my eyes I see images of survivor winners floating through my brain. Sometimes I don't even have to close my eyes. I think they call hallucinations. But anyway right there with me is my co host Jessica Lewis. Who has spent more time studying for this podcast than she did for the Lsat on my word let me tell you? There are so many images going through my head right now. I think they're all gonna be like messed up in jumble than if I say the wrong season for the wrong person I apologize but I will say there is so much out there on all of these contestants obviously because they're all winners they're all returnees from previous media seasons and so there's so much material out there that yeah it's a lot it's a lot lot yes so yes all right for newcomers to this podcast. Welcome if you heard US talking to rob out. Why the winners loss? Thanks for following US over for the full preview here on reality L. D. TV ups and welcome back all those who've listened before once the season begins of course. We'll be here every week. Discuss what each voted out player did right and wrong in terms of rules I originally wrote back after the very first survivor season and have been updating ever since discussing each player used to appear in in my columns on Rayleigh News Online website which I created in ran for a long time but which I have to close down several years ago the column was then reborn as a podcast cast with rob a few years ago and then we switch things up to bring Jessica on board yes. There was a very exciting moment for me me getting to join you. Because as I've said Multiple Times listening to your podcasts about my season and the entire time I just kept going. He's so right and I know that you love to hear that of course but so it was really incredibly a just an honor to hear from both you and rob that you wanted me to join you the brainiacs of survivor the Encyclopedias of survivor so I really appreciate your willingness to keep doing this with me me too me too so now well now today. We're going to be doing something different. Of course we're going to talk about The the players and make some predictions as you know. Of course you should expect for a preview show this is going to be a bit different from our normal preseason podcast because everyone listening probably knows most or all of these players. I and there's probably a few who don't but you know you're going to know most or all of them so it's not like we're going to go through and introduce them Mike. Hi this is Michelle. She's a twenty something travel consultant. You know there's no point in doing that because the reason these people are. Here's their winners and normally we also predict what rules a player going to violate but as indicated in the previous podcast with rob. Don't don't be too much of a threat. is going to be a major reason for getting out in voted out over and over again so we would just have to predict that time now now. Ironically some of the players who aren't seen as much of a threat might be seen as more of a threat for the reason is in that they aren't a big threat and those players tend to win all star seasons. You so you could you know be too much of a threat by not being enough of a threat by being too much of a threat but anyway brains around that one. That's right so we're going to break the format a little bit and just talk about our earth thoughts on each player who they might align with in how we think they're going to do as I mentioned I've been covering survivors in season one. And for much of that time I was writing y blank lost or one columns and doing exit interviews so parts of our discussions today will involve things that I've rediscovered in looking back to those articles when the relevant unfortunately for me I don't have that what's called experience and that's true so maybe a little bit of color a little bit of personal experience but also I do have incredible respect for these players and it was really nice getting to revisit so much. Uh of incredible aims that they've played youtube is a wonderful thing. And you can totally sucked in and there's so much stuff there but it was. It was really kind of the Celtic till they sit there and watch it and remember where I was when it actually happened because I've been watching since season. One and of never missed is the season. So it's nice to revisit these things. Yeah yeah now I mentioned normally we go through the rules each week but to be honest with all this studying. I'm not modifying them for the season yet. If anyone is interested you can find. The latest version from last season at ROB has a website dot com slash blog slash survivor rules or four. Of course you can get the shorter and much more colorful version of the rules in poster form at tiny url dot com slash. David rules poster. Yes and you should definitely definitely order. We have an incredible opportunity for anyone who hasn't yet just one. They're only twenty dollars. Air Eleven by seventeen youthful design nine by air breaking back as many who appeared on the The the preseason special of course because you know heaven even forbids survivor pass up a chance to show his moment immunity necklace like everyone should probably remember him because it gets brought up all the time and in addition to that he also draws really incredible cartoons so the poster is twenty dollars. I said it's rate looks wonderful on frame so please order. We'll get that out to you and if you are outside of the United States you can. Dm Me and I will definitely make arrangements to get that to you regardless. Awesome where you are and so you know listeners. From last season may remember. We talked about how we were running out and indeed we did so we talked about it. We went ahead and in order to second printing and it's the same url tiny dot com slash. David rules poster. It'll take you to Ebay and also you know we may have a few things coming coming soon in another location besides posters. Like maybe shirts so we. They're not ready yet. But we'll let you know when exciting. Yeah that's right now before we get to the players there are few things I want to discuss. And the first is the pace of the game or what we expect expected to be. We keep hearing about this from players and commentators like us but to a large extent I feel like the pace of the game is dependent upon the players. If a bunch of older school players want things to move more slowly than it will a few newer players may try to push things along and jump out front but they may just get too far ahead of themselves and you know. Producers can add twists and swaps but if players choose to take things slow and stay loyal. Oil there isn't much anyone can do about it and I think that's exactly what some of the players want to do. Yeah I think in going. Through a lot of the interviews I noticed that term loyalty coming up aligned especially with the older school players loyalty is something that is kind of ingrained in them. And that's something that regardless of the new pace of the game and how the game is played currently. I don't think the loyalty is going to get checked at the door. I think that's something that they will revisit and I think that's going to slow down the pace of the game. Absolutely if they get if if the old school players get away. I think that's what's yeah now. At least two who have played in previous return e seasons mentioned that it is faster right away in those seasons. So maybe it's just the nature feature of everybody feeling comfortable but I guess we'll see it'll be interesting to you know when we see it happen on our screens. Yes and I do think it's really going to be dependent on who kind of takes the reins and leads the charge because that really will I think kind kind of set the pace and if you have someone like a Boston Rob. WHO's able to get his footing? I think his haste is is a slower one because it's more What's the word like? It's he's very consistent and he knows how he wants things end up so he moves at a pace. That's going to allow him to get there but it's so regimented. And how he how he does it and I think that someone like rob if he gets his footing and starts the game in that way. That's what's going to end up kind of carrying row so I'm excited. But I I can't imagine any one of the newer players hitting that foothold before someone like Rob Right Right and speaking of Rob. Another thing we'll see about is whether the big threats will be immediately targeted or you're going to stick together when we were talking with our rob on the earlier. podcast he said he thinks the big targets will actually last because they'll become Mita shields uh-huh and during that podcast. I pooh-poohed that idea the more research I've done and the more interviews I've read a maybe it's just turning turning my brain damage but I'm starting to wonder if he's right. I think he is thinks I starting to wonder by just can't convince myself it'll happen happen that way. I still think it will be asking too much for all of them to work together. I there's too many egos they're there's too many targets and it's kind. Mandalay reminds me of your couple of seasons ago when all the big threats got together yet. War Dog oh Kelly Dave all of them together and they were like well if we stick together and don't knock each other Out then we're good but if we start shooting at each other then we're all in trouble right what happened. We all started shooting at each other. Well s you know. They're going to know the edge of extinction before they start the game or are they going to be told. We have any idea about that. We I don't I feel like I feel like they're going to be told because some of them were speculating about it. And Jeff probst made that ridiculous claim in one of his interviews where he said. Well I feel like some of the players players want to come back if it weren't for edge of extinction which is utter nonsense and I was so happy with the winners who came out and said the edge of extinction sucks. Because anyone who's listened US already does our opinion on that and by the way I find it funny somehow you have escaped the The the tarring and feathering here because when when when rob was talking to us he kept talking about how I had gone off on it. People people listening to this podcast. You ranted just as much as I did and I did rant. I totally own that I did and I also got to rant. Recently Martin homes got in touch with me and said hey what are your thoughts on edge of extinction and that was just flat on twitter today so if you wanna read how I feel about it in this it was. I was pretty honest in my feelings about ends of extinction as I think a lot of people have been. It's something that across the board word seems to really ring about an emotional response from people and I'm one of those people that does not like it but thinks if you include it fine you can include it but it needs to end at the merge like that's it done at the merge that makes a lot more sports but if you want more of my take on it you can certainly check that All right now I did not know that I have been kind of put her absent lately. So yeah yeah me too. Because we've been doing this a little crazy. Yes yes yeah so inside little inside baseball here yesterday listeners. I called Jessica in the evening because we you know we've been doing so much research and I I was just trying to get a handle on things and she answers her phone. Why are you calling during the survivor? preseason Michelle I had no clue. I didn't know what day it was. I didn't know what time it was. Yeah so so. Anyway I was doing. I was is watching that while I was sitting in front of my computer trying to read interviews and wanted the same time and I was like this is too much but this is this is the world you have sucked me into so all right good all right. Well since we're in that world unless you have anything else we can start right in with the red tribe I I think we can. I just do want to say they'll going back to the pace of the game and the edge of extinction. I do think depending upon whether or not players are told about the extinction before the first vote is going to really affect how people are holding out. I think it could. I don't know if it will greatly affect it. I think it could affect it but in all honesty it shouldn't because only one person at least at the merge urge and then probably one later to come back and so if you're gonNA vote out big threats well then keep voting out big threats and only only one of them is going to get the combat exactly so the only way that I could. No no I was Gonna say I could see it affecting it a certain certain way but more I thought about it. It doesn't make sense. I'm not even going to say it but I just I. It could affect people's thinking but I hope it won't we want either but I I stand you're actually mentioned that that would certainly affect how the votes are going to be cast and and I think if they know that the edge of extinction exists that the idea of we're going to keep the old school players together and we're GONNA use a lot of meat shields might turn into let's send all the meat shields to extinction so only one of them has the possibility of coming back as opposed to keeping them around much longer. I just feel like that's that's certainly going to come into play my opinion that would be that. That would be so ironic if jeff created this so that the the big strong target type players to come back and instead it causes them all to get voted out early. Ah I would that would that would just be funny. Yeah one one place that edge of extinction knowledge of it will come. Came into effect is the first person that we're going to talk about on the red tribe and that's amber because if and this is not anything new what I'm about to say rob has talked about this too but if amber and rob are on you know they're sitting there on their separate tribes and if rob is voted out first and there's no edge of extinction people worry a lot less about amber with edge of extinction. They know that rob can come back. And in fact the whole fire token thing also makes me think that they will all know about extinction. Because whatever's going on with fire fire tokens involves edge of extinction. Right which is another reason. I don't like you because now they're actually making it part of the game and right and so that you know getting back to amber is a reason that even if rob is voted out she's still potential trouble double and so we talked about embers first game in our why the winters loss podcast and a lot about her win in all stars is already very well known but I want to return to something. I pointed out in that podcast. which is that? Her strategy in all-stars seemed to ah be somewhat similar to the one she used in Australia. She partnered up with a more obnoxious person. Who could drive the bus and take the heat and the first time she did it? Jerry was too obnoxious and got voted off taking away amber shield but she obviously struck gold the second time with rob and that that meant she could ride into the final rounds and then into the sunset with her husband. Now she's back for a sequel and we have to wonder if she's going to try the same something again while she indicated a lot that she cannot play the same way that she planned previously. She seemed very aware of that particular issue even though if she wants to be old school because that's what she knows I think she's also mindful of the fact that she was the the second in a duo and ended up winning because she had less blood on our hands and I'll maybe she wants to make more of a name for herself as opposed to being the second to her husband Rob I think that's ultimately ultimately what happened in all stars. He got blamed for the itchiness that was created with that duo and she didn't get blamed for it as much and maybe she wants to the show that she can play more cutthroat than she did before but she's also amber ceases so sweet and looking at her tribe options if she's really going to go back down that path and want to align with someone who's more obnoxious. I mean really. What are her options? Maybe maybe Tyson Tyson. Maybe Tony but I don't know if she tyson. I think she's got a relationship with outside of the game so I don't know who she would necessarily choose to be that other half. Yeah and yeah the FIG is if by some chance the other players let Andrew and rob get together via swap or the merge somehow then we know official partner of course. The question is whether she'll do it before then and if she'll have another plan when rob is voted out even even if she does I don't think amber can win again this way. I just don't think the winners will reward somebody who uses that strategy in less. She's up against to Austin robs in the final three who have somehow managed to piss off everybody in the jury. Yeah no I agree with you. I think this group of layers is is going to be mindful of the fact that whoever wins represents the winners and they're going to want whoever that winner is to be a true winner winner and someone who really kind of drove the bus. If you will and made the decisions and made things happen and I don't know if they would reward someone who didn't do it so much and was more likable about it. You know I think they would reward. Blind your hands for sheriff. Yeah now looking back at my column on Y Ember Number One. I concluded at the time that basically she made one very good move hooking up with rob besides that she was lucky that lex abandoned his strategy. She instead of friendship rule. When he should've voted her off she was lucky that so many people missed so many chances to break up her partnership with rob and send her packing or him when she even admitted in her interview with me that they should have done that she she did a good job of staying under the radar while allowing rob create and take the heat and she was probably a sounding board who also contributed somewhat to the strategic discussions? But in my opinion it was mostly rob. I don't think that's that's a real hot there but now that she's older and wiser she'll almost certainly be able to stand more on her own. Two feet I just don't think it'll be enough. Yeah it's going to be hard for her. I think that rob is almost an Achilles heel for her because everyone knows about him and everyone knows that he's going to be there air so it's one thing if you're just the other half of Boston rob but now you're the other half of Boston and Boston. Rob Is playing again and you saw. I don't know if you saw or people saw the first few minutes but it's noticed very quickly like Oh your wife is here so I mean every year so it's certainly certainly not going to be missed and I think everyone is going to be thinking that's too. They're definitely going to stay together. And I know that in the interviews that I've been listening listening to people are trying to determine okay. Do I want to utilize them to have two votes. Because then I know I'm just going to be a third and I know I'm I'm not ever going to break that at two. So it's this idea of. I know I can have two votes if I work with both of them but I also know that I am definitely third man out so it's A. It's a very very precarious situation for anybody to sign up to to play with and take that chance because you know they are not going to cut each other. Yeah now in our podcast. Our Rob joke that maybe living with Boston rob all this time has rubbed off a ton of survivor strategy on amber but she said in her entertainment weekly interview. There's a couple out there who I really know. Nothing about. Besides just their name. That can be a scary thing. Because I don't know anything thing about them she later added. I guess probably my biggest weakness but could also be seeing the other way would be to have never played with any of these people before and not really know. Oh them at all so you know and she was saying that. Even I played before this I played before that she claims she played before blindsides. I think rob sister after Nino might disagree with that characterization but The the the point is yeah. It was a long time ago and I'm I'm sure she has kept up with the game but not to the degree that her husband has or most of these other players totally agree with that. I think that to her benefit she she is going to be with some other strong women who have I think Rhone through the game and also grown since the game and I think that's going to be beneficial to her. She was very young when she played the first time. And I think we've seen that with other people who are on her tribe that they were they were young before they played the game and now they are married they have children so they've matured and I think that she can find some great connections with people very similar to her on her tribe. But I do think that it's it's going to be hard for her to really get her footing aside timing good connections. I don't know if she's going to necessarily have the strategic chop says says she's GonNa need to play with these people. Yeah so my prediction. I think she's an early target especially as we discussed with edge of extinction implying. I agree all right. We can move onto Kim who is a an interesting situation because she's only played once but she did. It's such a good job that I think she's still considered a fairly big threat out there. It doesn't help podcasts. Have talked about how good she was. And so even if it even if some of the players might not have realized if they listen well and you know they heard that She told entertainment weekly. She thought there were other players. WHO'd be bigger threats but then we heard from some of those other players will yet they did indeed worry about her and it's interesting too because there's there's almost like a little asterix next to her window go where so many people have been commenting on the fact that her cast wasn't a very strong cast? And if you go back and watch her season uh she really did I mean she completely dominated and it. It's almost mind-blowing that the people she was playing with didn't see her coming didn't didn't see this happening and they put so much in Cam. I mean so much so they were going to trust their lives to Kim. I mean she was very very much just kind of almost worshipped worshipped by the people. Choose playing the game with and I think she that works so well for her because nobody nobody saw coming. Nobody really knew her. Obviously this was a new you season. It was new players and so she was able to be that way without being necessarily notice. Now it's on everybody's radar that she just completely dominated and granted. She dominated a cast of players that were not cast of winners. So it'll be interesting to see the house. She lays with people at a much higher level than I think she played with. Before who else dominated a cast of Not So great players Players Boston Rob Exactly. So he hasn't asked. Yeah Yeah. That's a lot of asterisks but now one interesting point from Kim is that she said she thinks this season might end up being a little more old school so she's one of those people we were talking about earlier a I'm not sure if she meant from a production side or player side like maybe she was thinking. There would be fewer idols twists. If so you're totally wrong But you know as I mentioned earlier in the podcast. It's possible that the older school players will try to slow things down and if enough of them do it can work but they also don't Wanna come off as telling the other players do and if there are bunch of swaps and twists. He they just might not have choice in the matter but I also think that if enough of them can come together that even with the swap some twists they still might be able to bring it back to an old place is that they enjoy and that they can maybe maybe ingratiates olds will mentality into this world of twists in idols that we find ourselves playing. Let's hope I feel like Kim is probably GonNa make the merge I don't think she'll get real near the end because because I think people are going to worry about. I think that Kim's biggest potential issue is just her likeability factor. She really is a likable person since she's nice and I think when she talks to people they really feel like there's a genuine connection and everyone saw her do that on her season and if she tries to do that again. I think these players will be more mindful of that and will question her motives more so I do think that she's going to have a difficult time getting to the end but I do think that she will make inactions. I know that she wants to work with amber. So that'll be an interesting relationship to see if it actually happens as if they do connect and are able to play together. But I think she's going to do well because physically also she still looks like she's in the shape she was when she replay previous Lynch did great in the physical challenges before so she'll definitely be a benefit to her tribe and I think that could also keep her around longer so I I fear for her towards the end though because of ability yep same thing all right we can move on to move from all school to the newest school. Who'll and that's nick? Your winner now. Yes my winner you know. I had picnic to win. David versus Goliath. And I was of course right and I did discuss nick somewhat in the There were five roundtable. PODCASTS that rob did and Where you know each one had a number of people talking about some of the players? I was in the one with the the newer players and so IOS. I did discuss nick there and anyone who heard me there knows that well. I'm picking an almost opposite result for I. I think he'll be one of the first five out and they're just might not be much you can do about it. He will be the new guy with a bunch of people who know each other one way or another another and well let me put it this way in his pre-game getting to know you video from David Versus Goliath. He said you build up relationships over a long period. You don't win on day three. And that's what he ended up doing. But this time there will be people with alliances since years before day one and he's not among them so I I know he's hoping that he has an advantage because he knows the pace of the game or what he thinks. The pace of the game will be played in Fiji. It can be a free agent but his disadvantages are that the other saw him play they saw. He's a smart guy. I and he's a lawyer rather than you know the persona he had created. They saw that. He made multiple alliances with different people. He's just yeah. I agree completely with the assessment. I also am concerned with his pre-game approach. I'm going to go on a little bit of soapbox here if you don't mind I understand. Yeah I have to understand. There's this idea of pre-game alliances. And whether or not he will should have them in. Do they have them in. Do they not have them and someone who has been on the show before I mean this is something you hear a lot about whether or not people have three game alliances and I know that. CBS doesn't doesn't like it when people have them. Because it can have a negative effect on the actual game itself. But I do appreciate the fact that when in an interview. Someone's asking about pre-game alliances. They'd just say no. I wouldn't do that. Why would i? I'M NOT GONNA hurt my own game to do that like even if you have them. It's better to just I think. Shy Away from the idea that you'd actually created any and nick was right out there. Are you suggesting the players should lie by suggesting that they shouldn't survivor. They shouldn't even if it's an interview. I just don't think it's a smart idea to throw out there to anybody that you had a pre game alliance with you will and Michelle. which is exactly what he did he was? I mean he couldn't wait to say it like it was a very interesting response because I just feel like he's so excited to play this game again. which is awesome great for him? And I don't blame for being excited but to you be willing to admit that so quickly and so openly and not even just like well. I'm GonNa talk to some players. He was either pre-game lines with you'll Michelle and that was it you know and I worry for him because I feel like he's going to be overly anxious to play instead of trying to just let the game happen and I so that makes me very nervous for him that there's there's too much of a desire to jump into quick too soon too fast. which is why he's so excited? Writing About having a three-game Lance yeah. I also don't think that's GONNA work. I think he is has the likelihood of relying on on that and we've seen similar attempts on other seasons and it it rarely works. He also thought he connect with window Dole because Davies friends with him. Maybe that'll work. But the friend of a friend thing people aren't usually going to change their games because of that and you know you'll in particular he's GonNa do what's best for him. When he gets to Fiji he's not going to you know? Join up with Nick just because they exchanged some tax write. And you're yeah like I said we've seen it before now. Sometimes it does work. I think on game changers. There were rumors of several people who had a pregame alliance and stuck to it. There were other rumors of people who have pre game alliances and voted each other. Or the hell out so you know. I don't think it's going to work and it's interesting. What you said about him being excited to play again because the other thing was that he seemingly trying to get in good with Tyson because he said that Tyson hasten is his favourite but then Tyson mentioned in an interview that when he turned his baseball cap around yes and I I think that was nick's way of trying to communicate wordlessly with him that hey I want to work with you? Look I'm trying to be like you or just. It's an interesting way to communicate that I and I do think that in other situations it might work but this is heison gray. And I'm not sure Tyson sought that way you don't think patients out of his way to align with now. I think that's very like Oh my goodness I wanNA speak ill of nick. I do think he seems like a really okay. Great Guy but that's that's very elementary like like elementary school. Like ooh that's the guy I wanNA emulate so I'm GONNA turn my hat around because that's the way he wears his hat to try like. Yeah I want to do it. The cool kids are doing and like try to send a message. I think it really just comes across as being desperate and I think Tyson was was probably seen in it that way that this is a little too anxious to desirous supply. Like you can't show your hand. I think in a season like this so so quickly because someone lied. Tyson's going to use that his advantage. He's GonNa know that Nick is anxious to play with them and he is totally going to take advantage of neck four and then he's is probably going to decimate neck because of it so you cannot show your card to someone like Tyson so quick before the game even starts. Yeah like I said it may be a new player season like if you see someone you want to work with. That would be a a a a way of quietly signaling here but not the I know I'm not now with this group of people you are coming across way too anxious and I feel like nick is presenting himself even in his interviews that we've seen gene that anxious energy is really kind of seeping off of him and it's probably something that they saw Ponderosa so i. I have very very very big concerns for Nick as well. Not only because of that but also he doesn't have the connections with people because he is one of the newer your players and so I feel like people will kind of look at making A. He's he's he's disposable really because we don't have a connection with him. We don't have anything really that we can relate to him. He's he's a new school player. Lets you know he can go. And I think that that's going to happen with it. Yeah I mean his best hope. Is that the big guns targeted early and even then though I think he's next on the list which is why I've been saying he's out in the first but but now I did WanNa bring something up in case you didn't notice this. Did you see how he responded to Gordon. Homes as standard question of everyone. Everyone about how they'd explain survivor aliens. Yes is it was he the one that said the drill. He yes used your rock out. He didn't describe it that way but he wants to use your worst survivor moment to describe survivor like hey. Let's let's teach everyone how great survivor is. Here's this this crazy rock-dropping Jessica crying just to show how. How much will we'll put on the line? Oh my God yeah I read that and it was like let's an interesting choice. Well well those yes. Those are rough moment. I think alien saw that ailing saw any of this. It'd be like what is wrong with these people. Yes but that that was an interesting choice for sure. Yeah so thanks for thinking of of that moment as your alien moment I appreciate that is. He's probably stopped listening at this point about him. So listen again. Listen I think nick obviously rock this season but I feel for him in this season because I do think that there's something to be said about the people who've been around for a long time and been exposed to this survivor family and survivor ever existence. And and he's new to it and it it's trust me I'm still I go to these functions and I meet people in your your fan girling and I. I want to take pictures with everybody and I have to try to keep it in check because I also don't want to be annoying because that's how it can come across. It can come across as being annoying and not that nick is trying to be that way. He's a huge fan of the game and he's getting to play with these people. I can't even imagine how that would be processing in my brain so I get it but I'm so I'm concerned for him. Yeah all right. Now we can move onto Sandra. And what do we say about Sandra. That hasn't been said mom. Where's you won twice? She originated or perfected. The anybody but me strategy. She knows quite well how to imply. She knows how to keep her emotions separate from the game. She knows how to win over a jury and she knows she's a huge which target who should be voted out I even when she came back in game changers with all of that she managed to get an alliance together and stick around are longer than most people until she got swapped with people who were not going to play that game. So what more can we say. I love that so many people have said they WANNA work. I think that's awesome because I think they're crazy. I do think they're crazy. Because Sandra even said it whenever interviews his vote me out I and because she is the type of person who because she's not a physical threat she's not going to be a challenge Beast she's someone who's very if she likes to you know if she doesn't like you know it. So there's nothing hiding Sandra and I feel like some people are approaching that as you know what you're going to get with Sandra but Sandra will take every little bit of information that she has and she'll be able to spin it and turn it against against you or make things happen and she does it in a very very quiet way and then all of a sudden it just happened. She's she pays attention and she's someone who if she gets her flooding is going to be incredibly dangerous. And so I find it so fascinating that so how many people are like I want Sandra. She's GonNa be my shield standard might be might be the death of you know. She's she might just cause your demise so so it was fascinating to see so many people wanting to work. Yeah especially since I feel like Sandra has a target at least as big as the big giant head statue. The other clear players got the seat you know. She's she's also the type of player that well like. You said some may WANNA keep around in part because as you can always get rid of her later. Normally I'd say if that happens with someone who has the skill Sandra has. It could be dangerous but in her case. I just can't imagine anyone letting her get anywhere near the end because if she gets there I'm just GonNa say this right now. If she gets to the end and she wins doesn't even have to say anything to the jury. She walks out and says I was the only two time winner and you Bozos let me get here. Yeah who deserves this and I think that hurt. The way that she played in game changers was such a good representation of what we could see. I know that you've already talked about this. There's a little bit but everyone assumed I think pre-game with game changers at Sandra going to be like I went out but she really was able to find all all those little cracks in that tribe and use them and she. She really did a phenomenal job. Lasting much longer than I think we all expected and that was with returnees with people that knew how to play the game and she's in the same type of environment with people that know how to play the game and I just I really l. like there could if she gets the end. Yeah that's unbelievably. It'll be a shock that anyone let it happen by. She's taken it to the final three so I think she'll either go within the first couple episodes or right around the merge but no later than that. Yeah so all right. Well now we can talk about. Sarah who beat Sandra in in Changers and Sarah was extremely extremely high on her in her. Et candidate interview going out going on about her game. How she's the best because she beat San? I'd like to think she was kidding. But she didn't seem to be so if she was she had a very dry sense of humor there. Now don't get me wrong. I think she she played a good game. But this isn't game changers anymore. And she is a big hill to climb because the way Sarah played at that point got her the win but it also ensured that she would be targeted if she ever came back again and here she is. She played a social game. That allowed her it to get to know people on a personal level and still double crossed them and we heard from a number jurors about how much that hurt. You can bet the other winners heard uh and sought to and the response seems to be that many of them want her gone. I if the entertainment weekly hypothetical I vote is any indicator. Yeah Yeah I was shocked to see that that so many people are so threatened by her but I do think that she has come into this environment very very exposed. She's one of the more recent layers. She's the most recent female winner and she someone that he'll saw changed her game dramatically. Okay from first time. She played to the second time and so if she's able to improve upon it so much in order to pull off a win the second time because it really was so so different than the first time. She played that she someone who they should rightfully be afraid of his ABC's so good at fixing things that were wrong with her game from the first time the second time it only imagine what she's got store for the third time and I was playing with her. I WOULD WANNA necessarily find that out especially if you remember her final three tribal council when she was talking about how good her game wasn't where stems comes from and she was talking about this undercover work. She did and how she has to be other people because she's a police officer. That makes it even more scary because I mean you really can put on different and hats if you will and play different people and they saw her do that and they saw her do it very very well and which means she can do it again right and you'll going back to our why winners I las podcast. You know speaking of how she could change her game. We discussed how Sarah made the classic mistake of leading swing vote power. Go your head in Kardashian. But she corrected that in her win and she told Rob in her game changers red carpet interview Arab of course that she learned and she had to be more adaptable and not put her foot down. She also said that if someone else wants to take the lead she'd let them because she was still in on the decision and not standing out the head of the alliance. That was a great lesson in theory. It could help her here again but in practice. I don't think anybody is going going to let her get to that. Point by aligning themselves with her. He the only hopes you might have is a Sandra. Sandra might look at someone like Sarah Sarah as a benefit to her because if so many people are targeting Sarah I think Sandra might want to kind of keep that Interact pocket if she can Dan and the longer you keep Sarah around. Maybe the less attention is on Sandra. But I don't know if that's going to cause standard problems. I know it's A. It's a possibility it would be interesting to see if Sanderson which that spin on it. Al Bring Sarah Long World It's almost like Van Halen here. You know Sandra's violence if she wants the next larger villain and may be interesting to see if those two end up coming together honor to Antoni. All of whom are on the same tribe did speak in the previous what we now. So if they stay true to their word it could save all three of them. Now you know she did tell Gordon homes that she recognizes. How people are looking at her and she has to behave for a little bit and overcome overcome the hurdle of people not wanting to trust her? So she's going to have to work with maybe those two and some other people to demonstrate trots. That's the only chance she has. Yeah yeah no I agree. She's definitely going to need to find someone in find some quickly in order to not be targeted and those two seem like probably heard her best back. Yeah now when Sarah won her season Sophie who is our next discussion person to discuss here. Breath was subbing for rob. I know it alls while he was out on the red carpet interviewing her and said Sarah was lucky enough to come into that season as one of the few you people who were not viewed as a threat before the game even began and that was a good point by Sofi and one. We've seen time and time again in returning players seasons and it's also why. I Made Sophie my winter. You know I know. There are other winners who are viewed as less of a threat. But as I mentioned earlier in the podcast Hawk cast those people who are less of a threat may actually be targeted because these winners are sparred enough to know that coming in as a lesser threat makes you a viable winter and I feel like Sophie is kind of on the border. She's not too much of a threat but she's also not a complete non threat who would attract that kind of ironic roenick attention. Yeah I think so fees a very interesting character because she's been so separated. I think from the survivor world even though she is included and she still friends with people. We don't see that much of Sophie. We don't hear that much from her. She does occasional podcasts. Here and there but she's one of those those winners. That was on what I think. She called kind of dark season and she played with people. Cocker I mean. You can't forget that you know. She played against cocker and she. She ended up beating Auburn beat coach and when she beat some very well known players that we've seen go on and play again and someone Cochran who won so. I do think that you have to have incredible respect for the game that she managed play while she was out there when she took an alliance all the way to the end which is something very old school and I don't know if we'll see something like that again but I do think she's one of those sleepers that the way that she presents herself she's always kind of in the mix but she's not the one that's at the forefront she's not the one you necessarily seen and thinking of all the time and I think that will definitely unwell for her in this players. Yeah now one thing that could work against her she told et Canada. She's an introvert and doesn't make acquaintances. Easier She says it's hard to give a lot of herself but she knows it's needed. I think she can overcome a an interesting point. She made was saying that she thinks the fluidity witty of alliances is higher on return season which may be true. Especially if there's a lot of swapping but I also think that maybe one reason people will want to find loyal allies allies to stick with like you mentioned earlier and she can fill that role. Yeah I agree. I think that she is the type of person that if she says she's GonNa stick with you you that's GonNa mean something if they go back and remember how she wasn't her season and that's if they even remember I mean i. I do think that the loyalty card is going to to matter in this particular group of people because we do have so many layers who were played when that did really actually mean something. I The news foil not so much but the loyalty card I think will matter and it will definitely make a difference. Okay well you save a new school not so much but wait till we talk about your season. The I listen. I know because I was one of those people that I was. I went to racks because I was being so loyal so but I'm also I'm older. I'm not a millennial. They have a different mindset on that too but yes for sure I played. I played with loyalty very. Yeah that was important to me. Yes now after Sophie played her first time in one I interviewed her and she talked about how she felt like. She knew what was going on all the time and nothing ever happened that she didn't want to happen so oh she was pretty well. Controlling the game made tight allies. Who wouldn't flip? There's that loyalty thing and work to keep her alliance together while staying at the center of it and then she outplayed at her opponents at the final tribal council giving the jury the truth about her backstabbing which was all they wanted to hear. I think this jury will be similar. I I don't think they're gonNA WANNA be face people who are full of Baloney now. I think Sophie needs to make solid alliance or two and then walk the tightrope between being a threat and not being. Yeah and I think. She's Rona last sensors. Lucy like twenty one on when she played the first time or something very young and she was still able to hold her own with the people that she played with. I love that. She acquainted coach to like her female counterpart on on our season. So she's very mindful of having that second person who she can utilize to her benefit and if she finds that second person on this group or within this group. I think she's going to be integrate place and I think some of the people she's interested in plain with like poverty will be the very strong second if she's if she's able to actually get with her because obviously they're starting on different tribes but it also seems like Sophie is someone that multiple People have mentioned that they wanna work with which is also a good sign for her so if people want to work with her then they're not gonNA voter out right away because maybe they wanna try to form on right so all right well. There's there's my official winning again through all right now we move on to Tony and his his arc and the game is going to depend in large part if he holds true to what he's been telling the media about how he's GonNa play things as I mentioned worthy winners loss. PODCAST question is if he can tone it down. I think he'll be able to for a little while. But you can't keep Tony in about you. Know if if he has a solid alliance by that point he might be okay. But I think what's going to bring out the crazy is he'll find himself in a situation. Shen that either is really bad for him or he interprets as being bad for him so he goes full Tony try to extricate himself but he'll just end up the digging deeper yeah. I hope we don't see what we saw last time we talked about this. Tony Lost Sandra. Andrew wanted to work with him and that was such a great opportunity for him in Game Changers and he blew it he completely blew. It and Sandra was very aware that he was a loose cannon and quickly cut ties with him and he ended up getting voted out. So he's someone who does need to try to maintain some semblance of calm but if he does that I think it might also create some suspicions in people. Because that's not the Tony. They know the Tony that these people have seen seen play the game. Is that phrase Tony. WHO's running through the woods who hiding in bunkers and behind bushes and is is really taking taking the game to another level? That people hadn't really seen before Tony One and so if he doesn't do that I don't know if that's going to instill some concern or ear and people because it's it's not what they're used to seeing from Tony. Yeah Yeah exactly now. I think another thing that could cause a problem. Is that on the one hand. He said he doesn't WANNA come in with grand plans but on the other he told entertainment weekly that he wants to align himself with two different groups or groups that are close outside the game and a a group of stragglers and then he'll tell both groups he's with them which is a recipe for disaster because it assumes nobody in those groups will be talking to each other and they will be will. This is especially true because he seems to think atom will be straggler. Who doesn't really do the politics outside the Game mm-hmm which tells me he doesn't know damn thing about it? Yeah and that's I think it'd be hard of Tony's issue as well as he's one of those survivor layers who hasn't ingratiated himself into the survivor world. After the game like he hasn't he doesn't go to the fundraisers and he doesn't go to the get togethers which is fine. Nobody has to but he's very separate from that and it's clear what the atom comment that he doesn't know the type of politicking is probably doing has been doing because Adam is involved in all of that and so by keeping himself separated from that. Ah He's going to be missing some of those potential relationships that he could have had because people would actually maybe no the real townie and so it's a real. Tony is more more laid back. Calm like we saw in the interviews. Then if someone's out there playing a game with him NASA Tony they see well. That's the Tony. I know outside of the game so that Tony is that. There's nothing to worry about that Tony but nobody knows at that Tony exists. It could be problem now before we move on from Tony. I do have to mention that. I love Tony or this exchange with Gordon homes. Where Gordon mentioned Chris Underwood's win and Tony? Tony said that was horrible. Man That was gross and then later he added. I can't believe they did that. That just ruined the whole. Oh my God what happened to the concept of have when you're torches snuff. You're dead and of course we've already covered our own thoughts on edge of extinction so tony. Thank you for speaking being from our home state that yes moving onto Tyson as we discussed the earlier. podcast Tyson has probably evolved as a player more than just about anybody else as it stands today. I think he has a great deal of insight into the game and how to play. He certainly hit a speed bump or two along the way especially in hairs versus felons But he's learned from his mistakes as he showed in blood versus water however I think I think he may be underestimating. What other people think of him because he said in one pre game interview? I'm hoping other people see me as a more carefree laid-back Laissez Faire goofball and I think I played that role pretty well I mean. I've got long hair. I kind of don't give a bleep but at the same time. I'm hoping that masks this brain never stops thinking about how to play the game and then he said in another interview I feel like I understand the game better than every player out here and I don't I think people realize that I don't think they know that I'm as good as I am at this game and so I feel like I need to prove that now. Tyson is joking half the time but I don't think he was was in this case. Maybe maybe he was. I don't think he works and the thing is if he really thinks that he was going to hide behind it while Heison is very closely associated associated with Rha. Anyone who has ever listened to him talk about the game will not be fooled by long hair. I know how much he knows about at the game and how good he is and I feel like others do as well and that could really work against I agree. I think that Heison is hoping that he can hide behind hind the that image of that player. But he's that image of that player is long gone for him. I mean that was his first season where you saw the guy goofy long hair. It was run around Naked Tyson that we first met the taste that we now see is someone who is very well studied on a game is clearly clearly very intelligent and that's come across on the television screens but we've all watched him on in so I think that Tyson's approach the they're not gonna see Liam coming never totally going to see him coming but the one thing that Tyson's really got going for him though is again they'd set like ability factor. He's funny and he's he is goofy Any someone that I think people would want to hang out with someone that they would WanNa talk to but I found incredibly interesting the amount of players that were Mike. Tyson's gotta go so. The people are very suspect of him already. And I think they're suspect of him because they've seen both sides of him they've seen this goofball carefree person who is also incredibly strategic in cutthroat and also very good at challenges. So he's he's really got the entire package and he knows how to talk to people and he knows how to be entertaining and if he gets into a final three. He's a great talker so I think that he's his threat. Level is at a different replace than a lot of these players because he is so likable but he's also so strategic and that combination can be very very scary. Yeah I mean and I expect him to be a target now. Maybe he can get together with like Kim and amber tried to make something happen or the other option is he can just point joint at Tony and Sandra and be like really. You're coming after me. Have you seen those one of them has a big giant head right opening up but but he needs to do something fast and he was one of the players who said the game moves faster right from the get over in the returnees season. Meaning you have to hit the ground running in lock up. Your people quickly hit the ground running running. I think it's hysterical that you use that term because he actually was playing the game before the game even started coming up when we mentioned this. That are in our our podcast that we did with rob but just the the rumors that he's spreading about people getting paid two hundred thousand dollars to be on season thirty nine and that other people weren't we're going to be on unless they could also be paid two hundred thousand dollars through like some weird telephone call from a friend to this person. Incredible like I've got to give him props for war coming up with ways to play the game by utilizing information that didn't happen in a game and this is the type of stuff that Tyson is really really good at which is is why he's very very scary. Yeah and by the way if there was any doubt about Tyson knowing what he's talking about when it comes to survivor. We just need to look at this quote from one of his interviews when he said. That's why Ozzy can't win. He doesn't learn from his past mistakes. He doesn't change his game. Which of course is something that I have said many? You're right David you're right and Tyson clearly did changes game and we saw what he saw him just improve immensely Ensley and by the time he played the third time it was. It was an incredible feat. I mean he did such a great job and really laid the game very very incredibly. Meanwhile on all just across the board and so I do think that he someone that is not going to be coming in undetected. He's got a very very big target on his back but again if the big meat shields all come together mealy he'll be safer while maybe but speaking speaking of people who could be in trouble next up is Wendell. If the bigger older school names are not the primary target well then Wendell easily could be and even if you find a good lines to get him through that he's GonNa have to play a very different game. I don't think he's GonNa find another dominic and he's certainly certainly not going to find people. He can control as easily as the two of them controlled players go style. I agree entirely. I think is going to be in a difficult spot. He's not in the same type of spot as nick because he's a new player but I think he is in a difficult spot being a new player and being the player that we saw I mean he was. It's just that all calm and collected guy who managed to make things happen without people really knowing that he was making those things happen and it was just such a smooth smooth way to play the game and win the game that I think everyone is going to be very suspicious of Wendell. Because that's how he wins. The game is by being that smooth calm and Ooh I guy I think he's. He's going to be in trouble with this people. Yeah now one thing that he does have going for him is he never backstabbed his true partner. Art now part of that is because it was really never opportunity now maybe he can use that to his advantage because we talked about the whole loyalty the thing and then another just overall personality you know you and I both met him a couple times and I think we can both have tested. Just how cares. Man He is. He's so likeable. Such a nice guy and really comes across his incredibly genuine but again I think for Wendell if people saw him on screen. They're not going. We know that that is how they'll just isn't real life. Unless they've met Wendell in real life that really is who he is but when you put him in game mode to play with people like like this it might make them suspicious again because that's how he is charismatic. He's likable. He's Nice. They might think he's playing unless they know they'll outside right so the question is will what's going to happen with him and Ralph a very good question I'm going to say he makes it to the merge and maybe a little little after that but I don't think it'll be much more than that. Yeah I mean I think he has the ability to hang in there longer than next for shore. Excuse me in trouble. But I think that part of his ability to last is going to be his charm and if he's more willing mm to let the old school players kind of take the reins and do what they wanna do and kind of follow along with them that could certainly benefit him because he's not going to then come across as necessarily controlling the game and maybe he could pull off another Wendell type move where he makes things happen without making it look like is making things happen. I think he in one of his interviews talked about kind of almost like bowing down to rob like. Oh Yes Boston rob your incredible. I WANNA listen to all do whatever you say in Attempt to then back Sabra later. So he might just abusing people's Egos to benefit himself. which would be great if it wasn't of course these are all we don't know we're guessing but it's a all right and now we come to the last member of this tribe and that would be you'll and there's another one where I was GONNA say it'll be interesting to see how he does because he seems to have very few connections Sion's with the other players but then we have the whole nick and Michelle thing that we talked about already which seem rather odd combination as I mentioned earlier? We don't really know what that means. Did they talk a lot. They exchange if you messages and agree to work with each other. Nothing like that has ever binding. I have no doubt you'll will abandon those to if he needs to do think that it's interesting. He did mention nick as being one of the people that he wanted to play with so he didn't go into the hall. I have freedom alliance with him but he mentioned him as one of the people that he would align with he also is interested in aligning with Sandra. which I think is fascinating because they're much different dynamics in the way that they approached the game I think with? You'll what I what I find. I'm so interesting. I don't even know if I probably already said that three times. But he's such a nice guy and when he played his season he really did dominate. But he it was very respectful in in just really likeable. And he's interested in playing with Wendell and Jeremy Easson it. Could you imagine that four just for these. It's like the Nice Guy Alliance all of these people that are just really likeable. Really Nice people but then you will sat in his interviews. That he's it's no-holds-barred. Oh hold bar this time. And and he's GonNa play completely different than you did before because he doesn't feel like he has constraints like he did with his season which was a season based on ultra and and divided by race. And so he was. He was feeling constrained because he needed to represent his race and here. He doesn't feel that he needs to do that. So I'm curious is to see if he's really going to be able to kind of break away from that and show us a you'll that we haven't seen before even though he seems to be gravitating towards the likes of Wendell and Jeremy Ethan but then also throwing Sandra poverty ourselves it who knows it'll be it'll be interesting to watch. Yeah I I mean. You're looking back at his game and win. Obviously I remember how he controlled the game without appearing to do so. He denied being the puppet master but he was pulling a lot of the strings even even when decisions were apparently made by consensus. He took advantage to push that decision. So for example when Penner Flip you will saw that ozzy was forming forming a budding alliance with nate. So he convinced penner to make voting out nate a condition of his flip and then as he had to go along with it later it was a group group decision by the four. Vote Out Penner. But you'll use that to make a deal with Adam. Adam Adams jury vote you know. While while he held held onto his alliance the hallway he was also ensuring everyone within that lines was comfortable and like you said it was a nice guy. He made them feel like he was they they. We're part of the process. He subtly manipulated situation so nobody wanted to jump ship. Even though it might have been a better option for some now can you. Can you do that with a bunch of winners or do you need to be more aggressive like he said. I think it's probably the last I agree. I think that you will definitely going to have to come out of his shell. All in present a sign of him that no one has seen before which could could work to his benefit. Because if they're all expecting this other you'll and then maybe maybe that's what he presents but then he's actually playing a different game behind the scenes so if he can kind of in an underhanded fashion that they don't necessarily realizes this is happening he could do very well if he's able to manipulate people the same way that he did in his previous season. But he's going to be much more hot throat about it and it's going to be a little more aggressive so I I'm fascinated to see the type of you will that we get this season. I'm very very intrigued. Now as a flip side kind of a counterpoint to that I will say that in his season he kinda let himself fade into the woodwork behind some of the bigger our personalities so when there was a discussion about getting rid of someone before the finals for example his name didn't even and so you it does he. Maybe he does want to replicate that instead of trying to be more aggressive because it he'll come into the game as a legend of sorts. But he's also with Sandra Seri. Sarah Tony Enticing. In the early goings of his tribe. So maybe fading back in the beginning isn't such a bad idea now and if he is able to make connections blend all the two of them can nice guy everybody to death on your drive. It'll be fun to watch. Yeah now I want to say you know much like with Tyson if there were any doubt about whether I still like you'll. He made a comment very similar similar. Saying in some cases I think people really evolved their game ozzy not so much the guy has one way of playing. He plays it very well. But it's not a winning strategy a there you go again another another another guy after my own heart fun all all right well before we go onto the blue tribe. Let's take a quick break to hear from our sponsors if there are any in your area if not we'll be back even quicker we're back so let's let's go on to the blue tribe and start with some guy named I know some guy named Adam. Yeah I mean I almost don't want to say anything about at him even though I met him a few times. I've played blackjack with them. I've had discussions with them. That pales in comparison to the amount of time you spent with him so I kinda just want. aww Here's the thing. Adam is one of those winners that nobody saw coming. I think everyone who was out there playing that season with him with me. It didn't expect Adam to do as incredibly well as he did. He's very smooth in the way that he plays the game and he's also oh not so much in your face but he has a complete understanding of how the game is played what people are doing and what moves will benefit himself but also help those people feel like they're benefiting themselves at the same time. He's he's very aware of all of those things that are happy. The name was very impressive to watch because he knew what decisions to make regardless of the outcome that it had. If it means somebody else feel like they're game was improving and it was still beneficial to him freight cool. Let's do that without necessarily making it. Seem like he was the one making all the decisions. I'm very impressed with Adam I I loved playing with him. I'm sad that they never showed us actually play together and the one thing I will say about Adam that he was someone who I immediately knew I wanted it to play the game with like once he and I were on the same tribe together. I knew I'm like Adams going to be my guy because he just has this thing about him. He's a very very conversational is easy to talk to easy to connect with but also has such a great understanding of the Comes across in the way that he speaks concern. I Have Adam is everyone knows. He's a superfan on millennials versus Gen X.. Nobody knew he was a superfan in. He hid that that even though you could listen to him speak and you knew the understanding of the game. Nobody knew he was such a Super Fan. All of these people now Adams achiever fan and they know that he studied this game and that could potentially be a problem for him. Yeah now I mentioned Shen on the that roundtable podcast. I was on that and I also brought it up earlier. That one thing that could help him is that your season may have been known kind of by most viewers at for trust clusters and the pendulum strategy and it was really loyalty that won the day for him and that it might be a key this season another key could be that he knew in your season when into let the threats duke it out and went to actively take aim at them and so you know if he can do that now step back when the the big big guns are firing at each other. I think that's the best way to play this but I have the very same concern but you do. Because he's he's he's a superfan and we saw the way Boston rob treated the superfan on all stars. Boom see okay so I guess some of the others might try to pull him in just so they can use promo way but honestly I have a good feeling. I think he'll be able to make it past the merger pretty deep into the game and I hope he does. I would love to watch Adam go deep in this game. I don't think he's going to have the same potential issues as nick is going to have this kind of being starstruck. I think he'll be able to control that component of himself. While but I do I do just worry that there is this perception that he will be someone who is so. Well studied that some of the old. What's will players might be intimidated by that? They might think of. This kid knows more about me than I know kind of thing. He's also one of the youngest players out here here. Which by he's twenty nine for God's Sakes? I love the fact that this that all of these players are older individuals. I think is great but there I know. He's got relationships with people who had played the game before and that might work to his BENEFA- only one person said that they really wanted to work with Adam. And that was Ethan. Then because he's kind of relying on need someone of news full era to help me get through this game so he could use that to his benefit with someone like Ethan so I I do really hope that. It doesn't hurt him it. Because he's such a fan of this he really does have a great understanding of it and I don't think when he gets enough credit for the game that he laid inland versus gen-x because he really knew exactly who needed to get to the end with and how to get there and he did it in a in a manner that was kind of unexpected and no one saw it coming and then all of a sudden he was there and it was Adam. I'm sitting with Hannah and Ken. Everyone was like well out of wins so I have a lot of respect for him and I do hope that he can fulfil his dream art. His dream was plane. Survivor and part of his dream was getting to come back and play on all winter season so clearly. That's happening. That dream also included him winning. We'll see if it does but I don't know if if he would be able to make it all the way to the end but I do hope that he goes all right well. Next up is a Another newer winner. And that of course would be ben again when I was on the That roundtable podcast. We discussed a bit about how I think. A lot of people forget certain things about Ben. They remember the idol fines. The Ben Bombs the stuff of that nature but all that happened at the end when he needed needed them before then he made alliances. He brought two of those alliances together. He put himself in a good position until his alliance realized. It was too good at position and they turned on him which is why he needed all those idols. Yeah I think Ben's tential hurdle is going going to be the recency of his game just as we talked about all of the other more recent players but I also think that something that Ben brings to the table able is loyalty. Even though all of that stuff happened at the end she was being taken out by his own alliance and so that caused him to have to shift his game game and how he approached his game and he really wants to change that facet of himself in this season he wants to show that I can make it to the end with somebody. I don't have to be fighting alone in the end and I think that's going to bode well for him in a group of more old school players. Who have who might be taking that same approach approach that we're going to form a bond you and I the two of us the three of us? WE'RE GONNA try to run this game. That could really that could go. Places for manatees able to find minds that other half or that other third in order to do that with and he did say interviews that he wants like a Wendell and dominic relationship nation ship and to rely more on her social game who to prove that he belongs there. I just don't know that he's going to get this season. As a matter of fact I expect the producers to throw all sorts of things at them to keep them out of the comfort zone not in a comfort zone like he wants but you know he he did tell Gordon homes because he thinks others will see him as a threat he wants to keep around the other threats like rob. Tony Jeremy and Wendell I so. So we're we're back to this whole meet shield idea and I guess that plan could work early. If the idea of Brett's banding together manages to get off the ground but I just think it's doomed to disaster later when the others eventually poss- him aside because while he's not one success and that's where I think it's going to hurt him. The most is that it's kind of like you're you're better off. What is the devil that you know versatile that you don't and if if if there's players out there who I understand that layer better because that player came from an era? When I played survivor they might be more comfortable going with that? Layer as opposed is the Ben. Ben showed how great he is at finding idols. And how great he is laying them and also there's a whole fire making thing uh-huh so so I do think that there are parts of Ben that could come across as being very scary and very threatening because he also has a presence about him. That is a little more in your face and might come across as little more aggressive. Just because that's been and it if it's misconstrued as being someone who is is potentially trying to take things over or trying to take control then it might not bode well with someone like rob who was on the tribe with him and rob. It didn't seem to be interested in working with the likes of Bin. But you've got Jeremy who wants to work with them so it all depends. I think on who comes together. In in what types types of characteristics are presented early on and and then I think Ben could potentially sneak in there but he's he's gotTa have some issues with being so recent and having those van bombs be part of what he's known for all right. Well now we can move on to Danny and I have to say. Dan's bit of mystery. I get much out of her entertainment weekly interview. I didn't get much out of my old interview with her. From after she won she played so close to the vest that there just wasn't much to talk about it seems and because of that fix she's going to be in a position Shen where either people will ignore her first or if they're thinking in reverse as we discussed they could target her early I think the latter I think research that will be targeted early. I've got great concerns for her because she is someone that is such an unknown and her season was kind of an Odd One Justin. How was how was played and how she ended up fighting her way to the end even though she was always kind of on the else so I just just a feel like she was so under the radar in her season and still is under the radar because she hasn't ingratiated herself into the survivor world? Either her that she's someone that I think this group will look at it and say I just don't know where she's coming from. I don't know where she's at. I'm not sure what kind of game she's actually going to play. So I don't feel safe. Aligning myself with her working with her. And I think she's going to be an early out. Yeah I mean don't get me wrong. I don't want anyone to misconstrue she. She did a great job of scheming on. It's just that she did it in such a way that they think the other players will be hard pressed to remember her too much of what you did. And now if that is the case then they may not bother with her first and and if she can align herself with a few other early like the niece and Michelle and maybe ethan an atom she could stick around for a while but if you yeah I don't know if she will if she does she could become dangerous but like you said. I don't think that it's it's again. It's that unknown factor. It goes back to the thing. I just said the devil that you know versus devil that you don't in this is going to be a group of people that are are trying to figure out what type type of player you're going to be this season but they're also going to be remembering things that you did in previous seasons in kind of making that assessment and make next termination and yet danny. She clearly did a phenomenal job in her season. Because she she clawed her way up from the bottom I mean she really did. She had to fight to win but she even acknowledges the fact back. She kept her game so secretive. Even production didn't even know what she was doing half the time that's scary. That's definitely scary. And if anybody knows that that she's able to hide her game from production than yes she can hide her game from everyone. She's playing with so. I think I think if people are cognizant that and remember that that's Danny did she's going to. It's going to be very difficult for Danny. Yeah Yeah I agree and and then we move on to another person who is not in a very dissimilar situation. That would be denise you know we just discussed how Danny would a probably do best to align with the knees but denise told. Et Canada that talking about herself saying she's a crappy liar. Sucks being being sneaky which you know not usually something you hear from a survivor you know. She wants to pair up with someone. Who is Sarah or Sandra? Neither of whom are on her starting tribe. So does she consider Danny to be sneaky enough to pair up with. I mean I guess we'll see but much like any. She has a quiet quiet way about her and might be able to fade into the background. She told Gordon homes that nobody thinks she's a big strategic player so she wants to lean into that. AH playing more strategically without people knowing the problem with that is will I how you do it you know. How are you more strategic without people knowing and second? How did you get votes at the end if you do succeed in fooling everyone because as the rule says? Don't keep your scheming to secret right. And here's here's the thing that denise has going for her not only does she want to line of people you mentioned she also talked about our body as well and interestingly early enough harvey also wants to align herself with Denise Adam wants to align himself with Denise Anne did mention Denise Michelle mentioned denise. His niece's name seem to be coming up quite a bit in Who people want to align with and? I think I could be wrong about this. Obviously we're guessing gene hall of this but I think the biggest component that denise has working for her is the loyalty factor. I mean she and Malcolm were such a tie I do well and she really was able to play such an incredible social game that every tribal council she went to even if she was on the bottom autumn. She was the only person from her tribe. After a swab on a new tribe and she didn't get voted out she was able to create on's form connections and played a social game. That allowed her to stay all the way to the end and allowed people to flip on each other in order to keep her in the in the final three and take Malcolm how come out four all of that. It was based on her social abilities in the game. Which I think in this group of people is going to be key in staying in the game and lasting in the game and pulling off those more underhanded moves that people don't necessarily see coming and everyone seems to really WanNa work with to me so if if people wanNA work with are they're not going to be voting out or voting for her I? Obviously they're gonNA WANNA keep her around. I think nieces going to kill it out there. I really really do. She's my winner pick. I'm very impressed with yes. I'm very impressed with denise disabilities here because she is not one of the main gene targets that everybody's looking at but she someone that everybody wants to work with and I like that. Yeah and if an alliance among those people works she could be around for a while. If the big targets band together she could be toast early. I mean it's it's this is a hit or miss kind of thing. I mean you look at this tribe. You've got one two three four five six only ever played the game once and other the other four have played more than more than once a week wisit Not yet the other four played more than once so it all depends on who comes together and she's one of those one time players but she's clearly someone at poverty was so desirous of getting to work with the Nissan wanting to be denise Denise Herreid did I I love that I love the denise poverty is writer. I think that's great all right. Well are you gonNA Apologize. Denise Denise for nursing her you know backwards. I'm so sorry denise when you lose this it was totally my fault. It's the butterfly effect. We've established I'm terrible at predictions and everybody that I picked to win except J. T.. which was years and years and years ago on his first season he was my winter pick? And that's the only time I've ever been right so I'm sorry. Please prove me wrong. Please there you go all right. Well next up we have Ethan and if I were picking my winner based on pure emotion instead of attempted opted logic. He brings nostalgia but also just the fact that he's alive and well and playing survivor again is sure I mean he was never the biggest schemer and plotter. You Know He. He schemed about as much as was necessary. Nothing more and normally boy. Those are the people that I aim for but still really like Oh. He's he's so likable and he is such a great presence about him in you watch him in his interviews. This is someone that I think is going to make others feel comfortable in talking to them. I think there's going to be more of an interest in even because he is so old all as one of the very early seasons and I think that's going to cause people to want to talk to him and want to form form bonds with him just because there is that factor about him but I am hoping that he's able to understand the game that is now being dean played and he seems very cognizant of the fact that he's that's not the game he ever played. He didn't play with twists and with idols. And all of these these nuances that are being introduced. So that's why he was gravitated towards someone like an atom so Adam could help him understand and I think that would be a great dynamic. You'll if those two together that would be really incredible. Oh Yeah I mean. I think that the other players will probably leave him alone for a little while if only due to the S. Taljaare and his prior illness but the threat radars gonNA come up if he gets too close and Ethan told entertainment weekly I don't I think it's fair to weaponize my cancer and use it against me. Well I got news for you. Even you may not agree but all's fair and and I can definitely she people talking about that. If he gets back story is something that people are very aware of. I mean you look at someone like Adam. We didn't know Adams back story until he. I was sitting there in the final three and he told us the story about his mom which was horrific and sad an awful but it wasn't something that caused us to swear one way or the other. We were all on the atom train at that point. But someone like Ethan is walking in with a story that everybody knows uh-huh everyone is very aware of and you hear it all the time when people are determining who they want to sit in the final three with they got a hell of a story you know. They've got a great story story and he's he's gotten incredible story he's survived. I mean he literally survive so I think letting him get too close as is going to be problematic visit. He's he's sitting there in the end he he's GonNa win. Yeah and so I mean he he wants to bring it back to trust and loyalty and we've already talked about that. That might be a good idea. I just don't think there's any way he can make it to the end but if he finds a way to pull it off I'll I'll stand up and Absolutely so all right well moving on. We have Jeremy Jeremy and as we discussed earlier projects. Jeremy was another player who improved greatly between his first and second time I he went from targeting the big threats to walking and using the threats and he told. Et Canada plans to play the same as he did in his winning season to him. That means keeping people like Rob Tyson Tony around as meat shields. Plus Ethan's a loyal person and he will have Robin Ethan around but he's going to have to go hunting if he wants to find someone else like maybe poverty would fit the bill in the early going. And then depending on what the rest of the tribe wants to do he could he could end up finding himself in the swing vote role deciding whether they target get the big names or work with the bigness. He's he's such a tough read because he's one of those players that you really. I did see a completely different person when he played the second time. He learned a lot about what he needed to improve upon and was more relaxed and laid back the second time he played and had a better understanding of the dynamics of the relationships he someone who is very likable someone that I think anyone has a conversation with him. He comes across as being very genuine and someone that is fully listening to you when you're talking to him I mean I've met at the guy and he's just he has this thing about him in and you can't get past that that could be dangerous. Obviously because if he's if he's so likable then our people necessarily going to let him get to the end. I don't know if they will but if there is this shield idea what he's the perfect issue. Yeah Ah he's also another player. Who says things move fast in an all star season now? He thinks that he can handle it. But maybe the one time players won't now AH we've already talked about that. We think it may they may slow it down but no matter what happens. I don't know where he's is GONNA end up. It's very difficult. I agree it. It all depends on whether his plan works. I feel like his plan won't work but I have have a hard time seeing him. Getting the BOOT early. I think it would only happen. If he gathers all the meat shields and then they just decided they don't need him but even there would probably be closer to the merge so I guess that's I guess that's world put him somewhere around the merge he's one of those people that I'm curious about now with the edge of extinction if they know that the edge of extinction is there if they don't know it's there because everyone is very aware that in order to get back into the game there's going to be some type of challenge and he's someone who could perform very well in the challenge. So do you staff back and put a bunch of people who are really good at challenges onto the edge of extinction because only got one shot to get back in or maybe two on how they do it. I I don't know but he's someone that I could see being a concern concern that if he does end up on the extinction he could potentially come back because of his ability to do well and challenges. So that's I think going to effect where he ends up and nothing all this. Yeah Yeah we'll see. I guess I know it's a tough one on for him. All right so next up is Michelle and when I again when I was on that roundtable podcast outcast. One thing we all said about Michelle was that we thought she wanted to prove that she deserved it and then I think it was the very next day that entertainment weekly's interview with her came out titled Tale Fitzgerald wants to prove she deserved. So Yeah So good prediction on in the interview. She said I like to think. I think they underestimate me. If you're looking at everybody's resume I'm probably one of the lesser threats which is great such a great advantage for me because I'm a very different person than I. It was twenty four year old beauty tribe. Michelle and I'm ready to play a much different kid so if they're underestimating underestimating me. That gives me flexibility to play more boldly without looking like I'm playing to bolt. I can fly a little bit under the radar and make moves without all their alarm bells going off right at the gate. I'm hoping that unperceived a little less threat. which could cause it to be a huge that exactly? Yeah I mean the thing that she is so good at obviously as social game. She is very good at forming relationships in bonds and disconnecting with people. There are some of the bear name older players that mentioned they were interested in working with the likes of Michelle but it was always in kind of a she can be my little sister kind of relationship so I think that she's being viewed as someone that can be taken along like. Oh she's someone that I can. I can mold and I can work with and make you do the things that I want. And if that's not what she ends up doing if she presents herself south differently to them then I think she's going to find yourself in a tough spot. Yeah and and then it comes back to what you already mentioned. And we've been talking about is if you're less threatening are more. Because she even said in her interview these are super fans out here too and they have their finger on the pulse of what's happening in these returning seasons which by trend seemed to be taken over by under the radar players if that's their mindset going in then my ship ship might be sunk before I even leave and so she recognized. She's whether she saw herself. She's listening to podcast cast. Whatever she's doing she recognized the same thing and so the real thing is though? Are there more threatening less threatening people interesting. Some of the less threatening people are there some more threatening ones so I I think there are so she might not even be targeted right away among and that's true I mean I think between g and Danny I think Danny is going to be in name much more difficult situation. I do think that the fact that people wanna work with Michelle will allow her to stay along or be around for a a little bit longer as long as she lays that same role which she doesn't WanNa play. We saw her play it already in the season that she was on where she was being gene. That little sister and I need your help and show me what to do. And she doesn't WanNa play that game but maybe she'll recognize that so she has to do at least before she can really kind of take. Things is over our footing so she can form the relationship she needs to make. I hope she recognizes that and I hope that that's what we ended up seeing Michelle because it would would be nice for someone like Michelle fail to come out of this and go see. I really did deserve to in my see. I told you that I deserved when my season and look what I did here but yes I do see her as as thinning. That mold of someone who you don't expect to win a season like this and they end up winning and everyone's like where A.. And she sees that yeah and now she did say she plans to go and playing completely flexible. Which I think is good and she is in a position where I think she can put herself out there as a pawn in the early goings? If that's what she wants to do. She also recognizes something and that has been discussed on Rha P by a number of people which is my biggest weakness is that is that because I one. I'm not necessarily be aware of when the tide shift and in particular when they might switch on me so because I've never experienced that active being blindsided and voted out myself. I feel like it's a huge weakness for me to not know exactly when that could be happening for me. People who have been voted out before they've seen what it's like and they know the feeling ruling and they can pick up on. I do think that's what will eventually happen to her. I think she'll she'll let herself used as a pawn for a while but at some some point people are going to decide. She's outlived her usefulness and toss her aside I think that point is probably after the merge but before it's too deep in the game so I'm I'm looking at eight thirty. I do agree with that assessment. Because you do. Because that's the way she's already being discussed by people who WanNa work with our they're describing it and just that fashion like I will essentially use her for as long as I need to and then you know she's no one's rider di. She's no one's ride is. She is a vote than I can utilize because I think and I can. I can mold her and get her to do what I want her to do. All right next up we have natalie and I don't really you have much to say about Natalie because to me. She may be the biggest unknown coming into the season in terms of strategy. Not just for myself but for the other players I mean. She's physically strong. But and we know she was smart enough to outwit the others on San Juan del Sur. But let's face it. After Jeremy was voted out by Arizona allies. Most of them were not exactly strategic geniuses. After I recently watched parts of the season I was reminded. Just how bad people like Keith. Wes Alec and others were at playing the game when I love about her though is how in your face. She was in that season. It was to really convince the other tribe to vote someone out. Because you're shouting shouting at them and telling them why you should vote John out because he's an all of the things. She was screaming about him and then they voted him out. I really have to give her props props for that. Because that's a ballsy. Move to tell the other tribe who they need to vote out and why is insist something. You don't see happen on survivor. The fact that she did that and I think the reason why Natalie played the game the way that she did was because of her sister she her sister was gone so it was kind of like. That's it I'm the angry and I need to. I need to do this for my sister. I have to fight for my sister and it lit a fire under her and it made her do things that were a little bit out of the norm. And things you don't see a lot of survivor players do but yes you are correct in your assessment of people. She was playing with not necessarily strategic geniuses but she he does deserve props for her ability to use them to her advantage. And get worse you needed to go. I mean Jeremy said it she owned you. She owned everything she she stepped out but she did it and she brought it and she really did so. I think that the concern I have for Natalie is if she is too in your face with this group of people. Is that something that they wanNA keep around. Because it's a shield or is that something that they just don't WanNa be bothered with I. I'm not sure like I don't know. Oh how this group is going to perceive someone that might be a little overly aggressive but then again she might walk into the game not be the same way because she is playing this on her own without being another half of you know with her sister right now the thing is she. I don't think she's connected to anybody body else except but she is lucky. Lucky enough to be on the same as which may keep her safe. Initially I feel like as soon as she swapped away from him. She's an easy target to get picked off so I don't think she's GonNa make the murder. I think that's interesting and I could see that being the case. Yes I I. I do. Think that her if she is too aggressive then you have a I see her. Having difficulty forming those really early relationships thinks she needs to create in order to keep herself around past the merge. Yeah all right well someone who we we have a little bit more to say to talk about is next up. And that's poverty. And she is seen by many as one of the top players which puts her in the upper echelon parts also but she's also in the upper echelon of people who can charm the hell honor people. There has been described by number of her fellow players. Over the years in her second and third seasons she also showed some excellent strategic moment such as double idle play and here's versus villains to save her ally and knocked out a hero and and since she she's been in to return e season's already she knows how they go oh and how to properly play them for example after her win she told me in an interview. I was separating friendship and strategy and not making any decisions based on emotions. I was making them rationally and methodically and planned out everything and stuck to it. I definitely was able to separate the game from my friendship and then she did the same thing in heroes vs villains never letting her emotions interfere in game decision to vote somebody out. It didn't matter if she knew them well. Outside the game had been potential allies ally of theirs at hung out with Emma loved ones reward. If they were in her way they were gone and that kind of game play is going to be necessary here. And she's he's more well equipped to do it than some of the offer shore and can I just say how excited I am to see her and Boston. Rob Play together. Think this'll be This'll be fun to you. Watch because they're going to be together right from the start and I am. I'm excited because they both seem to really want to play with each other in kind of a weird way because I think they both understand how big the target is on their back and I think they're both of the same mindset that I need to keep the bigger target around to try to people keep people's eyes off of me but her ability to really get people to connect with her. She's is very charismatic. And someone who a Michelle I think would fall for. I really do think she would. And this was that relationship outside about with Michelle. I mean that's it's the type of relationship Wants to have with Michelle and she wants to work with Denise which I think is also great for denise because she wants to have that relationship with her and I she's the one survivor player that seems to have an uncanny ability to form bonds with people. That aren't really unexpected and and get people to do things that you would. You're just kind of shocked. I mean the things that she in Russell Hansen ended up when they were working together and he was handing her idols and doing things for her. And obviously it was to benefit his game but she formed a relationship with one person. Nobody wanted nobody you know. Nobody trusts it. Nobody wanted to have a relationship with and that was the guy that she went to like. That's the guy I'm gonNA. He's he's going to be the other half so it's it's a it's a scary way to to play the game but she's very good at it and so I think that that ability to form those relationships or her will help her last in this season despite the fact that she's he's played such a great game multiple times. I still think she's going to offer our while. Yeah I mean like you said. She sided to align with Russell. Nobody else knew and it makes me wonder if she'll try something similar this time going with players that are lesser known in her tribe. Like maybe Abyan Natalie and Ben you know she. She did mention that people may not know. She has a relationship with Sophie outside the game but since they aren't on the same tribe she's going to need to make it through at least swap if not the merge for that matter the question comes up once again as to whether people will be going after the big targets or trying to join up with them to use as meat shields even if they are targeting them. I think poverty conduct the first bullet. Because she's on a tribe with and if she couldn't didn't if she could avoid being voted out I that could give her the time she needs to gain a phone right and I think that if she catches wind that the the larger players are being targeted. I I bet you anything. She's GonNa do everything in our power that target directly over on raw not. That rob wouldn't do the same having to amber but I am saying to poverty but I do think that she would have the ability to pull that off better than he was. Yep I agree so speaking of Rob. He's next up and I believe he is last on this tribe. So as I said about Sandra earlier well what is there more to say about him. I mean I don't think there's a chance in hell. He can win. I don't don't think he'll make the merge unless it's through edge of extinction but if he can convince the other big threats to stick together and they pull in a few newer players that could be legitimate. God Not enough to win because those players aren't GonNa be as dumb as the ones in all stars who let Robin Amber Forget the end but it could still be fun if you if by some miracle he does get to the end then they have much like Sam. I think that rob is as a person that has really he really has turned survivor into a career. This is the sixth time being out there. And he's someone who I mean literally wrote a book Labor so so I do think that he's someone that everyone is very aware of and if he can get get his flooding I think he's GonNa hang in there for a bit but yes. I think this group of people understands the closer we let Boston rob gets to the end. The more scary the prospect of his winning becomes. Because that's the type of player that lost is he. He manages to bowl things off into make things happen has a great understanding of the game and his surroundings and the people were part of those surroundings. Just listening cleaned him in interviews was fascinating because like Gordon homes would ask him a question and he would throw Gordon homes often two seconds. I don't know if you notice that like Gordon Holmes. Asking asking me very direct question and he'd be like only been married you know and like just completely wrong legally flip the the topic to try to get away from the question if he and I think there's something he doesn't the game he he gets people's focus on something else instead of on him. Let's focus on a different topic. Let's talk about something about you in order and keep the target off of him. Unfortunately the targets already on him because all of these people know him so if he's able to pull it off would be. It'd be mind blowing but I I think edge of extinction is the thing that throws all of this into a whirlwind because if he ends of unagitated sanction his chances of winning comeback in increase ace. And let's say he's the Chris Underwood of this season and comes back at the very end. I don't know how you don't give it to him. If he comes. In fact the very end he wasn't playing the game the same reason they shouldn't be given crocheting agree with that. I totally agree with that. I hope that this cast feels the same way but edge of extinction doesn't say you're the winner because you're Boston robbing managed to get back in there. You are in the final three but who knows Knows yeah now one thing I have to mention and this is just kind of side cake but because I find it incredibly funny is when I was looking back at interviews in the light and a Tailwind Woodruff interviewed rob for me after his heroes vs villains. Dylan's loss and she was he. I don't remember why she did the interview for me. Maybe maybe we had to split up the interviews at that point because I usually did the interviews even for the finale but for whatever reason she did it for me and he was lamenting to her. How the game had changed? He said before if you were helpful around camp or a physical asset to your team that used to be valued it seems instead a lot of the new school players are simply about strategy and keeping their alliance strong so yeah that's right. He was complaining about quote unquote new school survivor players. Ten years. Oh okay then on top OPPA that he was actually listed in my what survivor heroes and villains should have learned article as one of the first people to do exactly exactly what he is saying is quote unquote new school within that article. I I had noted an earlier example was hunter and Marquess. He was a hard working and likable guy. Hi and tribe full of ladies. That meant he had to go. So that of course was referencing. Rob Acting against hunter and then later expanded more on the point saying. Let's see if I can still pronounce try. Mara MOU definitely went against the advice to keep the strong and the weak with the vote against hunter. Why why because rob figured it was better to have people who would listen to him and quote? Fear him rather than strong people in the tribe so Russell was was just following the example that rob himself set and of course this plays into what we see. Almost every season with some player going on lamenting how much survivor survivor has most recently. We heard it from Nora talking about how everyone just cares about strategy now instead of working and but even when rob was complaining about it ten years ago he was still wrong. Because that's the way it's really and this just puts a fine point on it so I had to bring that up because I find it. So this is the great thing about having your computer and your ability to go back and look at all your notes from previous seasons Alumna. Yeah so yeah so there we have You know robs thoughts on that. Well I do think that the rob and Amber Combo is what makes rob and amber the most interesting two out of I think everyone. WHO's on the season because they're married for God's sakes and so I just to me I? I don't know if that's going to be a benefit for the two of them or just an automatic attic issue right away. One of them's got to go immediately. And it's kind of frustrating. I think if I were you know rob or amber. I'd be frustrated with the fact that my spouse is here because my spouse is here. It's going to hurt my game so that'll be interesting. There was a choice they made. That was a decision made and there are there are pluses and minuses. You know it it it comes up anytime you have a a reality show where two people are close with. You know it can work both ways in this case. I think it's definitely well. Let me put this way if rob had come by himself. He still been a huge target. If Ambrose had come by herself she would not have been as big so more more than anything. Rob Being there hurts ambitious now amber being there certainly doesn't help prop yeah. I think that I think it's true. Doing is being there is definitely detrimental to hammer. Yeah so all right so there are twenty winners. One of whom will join Sandra's being two-time winner and I say that because as I mentioned I can't see any possibility they let Sandra do it again before we go. And before we wrap start wrapping things up on the why the winners loss. podcast rob asked you who you would write down for a while as the first person to vote off and you said Nope gotta wait for this podcast so here. We are two hours into this podcast. Any I would. You're right. You're right yes I would. I would vote out. I is Dany because I the the thing with she such a sleeper. And this is an. I know that denise is a similar in a similar boat but I think the difference between Denise is there there are some structure to have denise played the game and not that there isn't with. Danny I think Danny is someone who is such an unknown and you really don't know where she's coming from and how she's going to approach the game because her because she kept it so under the radar but still managed to pull out a win. That is very very scary. When you're dealing with such an unknown and I mean the other people you've seen their games you see how they play? Get an understanding of what's important to them. I don't know what's important to Danny can at least look at all of these other players and there's one key thing that I can say okay. This is what they're good at. I know that's what they're good at. And with with Danny. It's it's really such an unknown. I really feel like she's she could be super duper scary. Okay all right well. We talked earlier about how how busy we have been. And at least for me. That will continue because I will be heading out to Los Angeles for the big arch. AP anniversary slash survivor premiere from your party. That's on Wednesday. I hope to see a lot of listeners. There and I may be modeling. The new survivor rules shirt that we hope to have available Yes also I will be the guest on the RHA. BNB for their preseason preseason show in just a few days so we'll be doing that before I head out to La and then of course everybody remember you can get the second printing of the poster at tiny oral dot com slash. David rules both should definitely order. I'm so sad that I don't get to join you in La. I'm so jealous. LSI Don't get to join you in La. It sounds like it's going to be such. An incredible time is going to be so many survivors there so many fans so many people who listened to the podcast cast so. I hope you'll have a great time and it's such an incredible season that I think watching it in a group of people who are huge fans and survivors survivors. Oh it's going to be amazing. You're gonNa such a good time. Yeah I've seen the list of some of the survivors and I'm thinking I really hope they don't remember what I said about. They do they do They probably don't but anyway as we as we wrap up I do want to encourage people to check out the patron program at ROB has website dot com slash patron. Rob has been talking about how. There's no better time to sign up and right now and and I agree you starting brand new patriot. Only show the hour before each episode of survivor starting with episode to you already does at least five patron the only call in shows a month and the most recent patron cast was five hours so and of course patrons trend get first access to live show tickets such as the four that are going on this season at least one of which sold sold out fully to patrons only And you know even for the non-sellouts you get a discount. He also has the facebook groups where you'll find a great community of people you can talk about survivor big brother etc so again. That's ROB has website dot com slash patron and once you get to the facebook groups make sure to say these do and where else can they say hello to us the music a little drink there. You should follow us both on twitter. I'm Jessica Lewis. Eighty Nine and David is at David Bloomberg. You should follow both of us. Snatch one of US follows both than you get conversation on both sides. We both live tweet during the episode's can't wait. Start Live tweeting during this season. It's GONNA be incredible. Got To get my gifts ready. You know come strong but yes again. Is Jessica Lewis Eighty nine and at Bloomberg so follow us both and get involved in the conversation because we have incredible discussions on twitter about the season both during the show after the show and also like I said if you want to order a poster and you are outside of the United States you can. Dm Me and I can make arrangements with youth through twitter. All right you have any ideas for or a Hashtag. Oh my goodness yeah I you know I I really don't all right Let's see here. We we we talked about the the more threatening lesser threats. If you want to make it a a really big Hashtag Geog Hashtag more threatening. I can't even follow that I would be a lot. Yes definitely. We'll see if anyone does that. Well what's the meat shields that seems to be something. Everyone was talking about two. They all want keep shields around. Yeah that's all right. We'll go with the more threatening less threatening threatening more threatening has yes there you go all right. Everyone should make sure you're subscribed to all the R. J. Piece Survivor. PODCAST as the season begins. That's IT ROB has a podcast dot com slash survivor. Or of course just on your favorite podcast we are also on the reality. TV Rahat pups feed need in both places you can find great content like know it alls the return of the wiggle room this weekend survivor the BNB. which again I'll be on shortly and much more and we also need to say thanks Scott saint-pierre who does all of the editing on wide loss and also thanks to welcome America or the incredible thieves on and thanks Hugh David for going through all of this with me and making me do way too much work for the past like week or so? I hope it was enjoyable fraud listeners. We've gone for like two hours at this point and but it was another great podcast and hope you love listening and I can't wait to watch the first episode of winners at war. You're coming this Wednesday. Yeah and thanks to you Jessica. For All the work you put in preparing for this show and preparing for the season and everything everything and will be will be different ends of the continent watching but the We'll we'll Ola. See how it goes and I. I'm sure it will be at least exciting first episode and then we'll see what happens because as we've talked about it could go go a couple of different ways and somehow they'll probably find a third way that we have in sure. Sure and listen. I expect to see quite a few south of you on twitter while you're out in La better make it happen. You can expect him all over twitter okay and on that note. We'll we will talk to everyone in well little bit more than a week after the after I get back from. La Back in our normal time slot. So we'll see you. Then you're feeling Jessica Observer neater around. They'll break down the rule sandwich. Show you playing yourself and gap Bonita This is blank kicks

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