20 Episode results for "San Luis"
Season 8 = October 2
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UFO Sightings and Hauntings in San Luis Valley with Investigator Christopher O'Brien
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That's Harrys Dot com code. Five thousand enjoy. Enjoy Captain Ron here. I've got Christopher O'Brien kind enough to sit down and talk to us for tweet and truth be told here at the UFO Congress Congress Twenty nineteen now. This guy is going to talk about the San Luis Valley. which is one of the most interesting hotbeds of all kinds of strangeness? Going on in America right when you say what's the that's pretty much. Well if you've been some years yeah I moved there in one thousand nine hundred nine and and was there until two thousand and two and over the space of ten years I investigated over a thousand UFO sightings two hundred or so a gallon beliefs cases chooses the haunted site investigations Sion's either. Now I don't buy into that. Let's see eleventh most active latitude line. But WHO's counting. I just want someone touting right after Yup was the unofficial deputy weirdness five candies Number right there dispatch and never somebody would call. With some weird citing animal relations nations directly would see the cattle mutilation yourself ads. What were you saying? Well I was involved in. Actually several studies conducted by the Pine Land biophysical laboratory and I also bird dog cases for The New York State Veterinary College You know worked with A number of scientific organizations of invented pathologist I I I look at these types of phenomena events from a A dispassionate sort of always assume a Monday and explanation before you know jumping off journalism extraordinary explanation a lot of people around here start art there and it's always like let's start with start on the ground run out of explanations. Then we'll see we'll Monday explanation until the facts accent evidence to prove otherwise but I'm for ten years I I did put three hundred thousand miles on my truck. Six seven years I covered a lot of territory. Ten Thousand Square miles the salaries valley's largest Alpine valley in the United States in the world. And it's about one hundred geologically. It's about a hundred and fifty miles long but seventy miles wide the giant football shape totally totally surrounded by mountains The valley floors between seven and seven thousand five hundred feet and in the mountains rise up to fourteen thousand feet around it in. It's extremely remote. Has Some of the most interesting sub cultural belief systems and weird isolated communities have been so you know kind of developing on their own for native American Yeah and Red Haired Blue Eyed Spanish Hispanic. He's all going back to the cookies. So it It's a very interesting place. I think there's a variety intensity of unexplained experience were unexplained phenomena there. That's unrivalled anywhere in America at least hand. Yeah I've I've done everything from investigate. Trooping fairies leprechauns vacation with some breeds of just this poor black Titi every type of crafts. You can describe or prairie dragons. Dogs ugh chase the chance increases right along the ground Just so many different types of those are just sightings writings. What about like these like the cattle mutilations you actually have a body and you can look? We'll give us a strange example of one of these doesn't have the mundane quick explanation. Well he the That's two hundred About one hundred and forty those I would I would say were maybe explain it. Away is unusual scavenger action they. They were critical in other words. I I wouldn't bet any money that they were strange. But you know sixty at leaves about sixty of them at Uh for between forty and sixty. I think that were that was strange. it looked like somebody actually did it to that. Animal with a sharp implement climent but out of those about seven eight maybe nine. That's not much scares me and keeps me up at night but those those made me think is it because this with the laser Cuarto and the eyeball mess and that kind of stuff certain typical well. Yeah that's that's a classic mutilation would be defined as livestock. It's is dead for no apparent reason. missing soft tissue organs other Genitalia. Maybe on the rear end the reproductive track is pulled out like a giant giant plug. An is gone maybe an ear patch of flesh seems to be caught off in a square circle or sometimes even their triangle. One day next is weird stuff. Well why are you doing to a cop right well. Yeah and and and Written a whole book about this. It's the only single book that is sums up a single entire category paranormal Kanawha. Which I'm very proud of? It took me twenty years to be searching eighteen months writing. There's twelve different databases in there. Yeah you've you have an enormous database and you also. I think one of your conclusions was that perhaps it's not that they're studying the cows but perhaps they're studying the region and the climate the environment we're due for the the. The place seems to be important not the animal. Although some animals are important For instance the sacred cows of India the BRAHMA which are the floppy ears the White Hump you see wandering around in Indian villages India's and the Far East Those animals animals considered sacred by the by the by the Hindi. PTO LOGIN and you're allowed to do whatever they want. They wet nurse them. Women will take because orphaned calf in breastfeed it to keep it alive. There's nursing homes for cows. COW's so it's considered good luck for cowed. Come inside your house. Awesome crab in your living room inside an in so you obviously India because it doesn't Eating Beef high-heels like the alternate sin is highly forbidden hence only two hundred fifty something Z.. McDonald's with no with no mammogram by funded very interesting that out of all the thousands and tens of thousands of cases the mutilations that have been reported around the world in Christian countries. Only that I've not been able to find single case of Brom B. Mutilated yes always these hybrid cows right never purebred com. There's tons of pure bred. Cows never never sacred cure asks a huge clue that to me. Was the most important clues that we have an anomaly. Like that to me is very strong too. I won a couple. Something comments there was one hybrid Brahma and it was an equivocal case. I I I don't think it was an actual relation case. I think it was scavenged. I have looked believe me. I have looked calm through all the databases. All of your eyes and ears open for Obamacare's there's never been one cases of three thousand pounds symbols. You couldn't get within a half a mile. Even get into passionate thing tried knock truck over this thing found missing. It's it's testicles You know the the durant you said you know. I couldn't even go on the damn pass with his saying whoever had the balls to go take this animals balls all. That's saying a lot of balls the times but no puberty cows had been lady but it is in the pure pure. Here's breathe the less likely. It is for the animals will be found in in Rela- condition with one exception some of the most ancient strains trains of beef cattle in North America. which are direct descendants of cattle? That were here. In the fifteen sixteen hundred vite Spanish related and selected to be new landed around the area on the manual Gomez ranch so there are exceptions awesome obviously has a lot of activity. That's one of the hot spots. It's forty miles from San Luis Valley People Forget So you know the whole home relation Mystery always fascinated me because pounds physical evidence left behind and it's my least favorite thing to do in life Aw I've really had to burn close because of cadaveric discussing the smell of rotting flesh is the molecule cadaver. I mean the smell of rotten garbage is pure seen science fans out there But there's been a few times over and said you are not coming in this house. You're taking a shower cold shower. I'll hold the hose. Here's some so Saito's close we're GONNA burn them so yeah well. It happened a few times. So those are the cases you don't like to do. I try to get to cases obviously obviously within the first twenty four hours after. That is really nothing that you can do I A- forensically To find out anything scientifically about the animal. Because it's too far gone for you. Know for crime lab or for veterans with all just to do anything except be really pissed at you trying to send him samples That really really smell up his lab smell office. Whatever so you know we have had some studies that have been done? I was involved in one study. That's actually the whole old investigation was filmed by a comedy show from the BBC. Called Louis throws weird weekends They came came all the way out to cover me in punk me. Basically and Because I'm smarter than they are. I was able to Punk hunk them and when they originally came he said you know tell us a bit. Tell us about the aliens as I'm GonNa talk about anything that I don't have personal history with somebody reports type of alien talk about it but all these pitches as you know this one. Looks like your your mother-in-law this upside-down Salt Shaker. This right second ice cream cone was giving him substance use. Obviously and so they they got kind of bored and so after after a whole day of of Not being able to pull the type of straight me setting them up for for the jokes and everything so they said well we. You know we're GONNA be out Vegas to cover the militia group. That's GONNA protect the aliens once arrive. I said well. Good luck with that And if something happens while we're still here the next couple of days call and so sure enough at night I you know Sheriff Call Today we got you got a fresh fresh case. It's it's cold. It was in the you know the the accident mid thirties. How in wind animal states really fresh? So I went out there and I picked him up the next day at the airport. Drove him out out there. And they're saying so. This rule relation I said Yup Lewis is the real deal. You guys lucked out. You're going to see the real thing. This is so great that you've got them on that and.
49: GONZALO N. SANTOS MEMORIAS [GUBERNATURA, SAN LUIS POTOS, 1943]
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2020 Atlantic Hurricane Season Continues to Break Records With Tropical Storm Hanna
"Twenty Twenty Atlantic hurricane season continues to break records with tropical storm Hanna by the Associated Press in Miami. To tropical storms that broke records for being the earliest named Atlantic storms of their respective place in the alphabet have triggered watches and warnings, both in the Caribbean and along the southern coast of the continental united, states tropical storm Hanna formed late Thursday in the Gulf of Mexico about three hundred eighty five miles, six hundred twenty kilometers east southeast of Corpus Christi Texas, according to The ten P. M. C. D. T. advisory from the National Hurricane Center it maximum sustained winds around forty miles per hour, sixty five kilometers per hour, and was expected to make landfall along the Texas coast on Saturday. A tropical storm warning for Hannah was in effect from the mouth of the Rio. Grande to San Luis Pass Texas. Forecasters said a tropical storm watch was in effect from San Luis. Pass to high island Texas the formation of Hannah came as tropical storm Gonzalo continued to move across the Atlantic about seven hundred thirty miles, one, thousand, one hundred seventy kilometers east of the southern Windward Islands forecasters, said Gonzalo had maximum sustained winds of sixty miles per hour ninety five kilometers per hour. A US national hurricane. Center. said the storm was heading west at fourteen miles per hour twenty two kilometers per hour. Tropical storm force winds extended outward up to twenty five miles thirty five kilometers from the center the hurricane. Center said that those in the Windward Islands should monitor the storm as it is expected to approach the islands late. Friday and Saturday as some strengthening is forecast. There is still a chance that consolo could become a hurricane, but the storm is expected to weaken as it moves into the Caribbean Sea a Hurricane Watch has been issued for Barbados and Saint Vincent and. And the Grenadines, a tropical storm watch is in effect for Tobago and Grenada Tropical Storm Hanna was the earliest eighth Atlantic named storm on record, breaking the previous record of Harvey in two thousand five, when Gonzalo strengthened into a named storm Wednesday, it became the earliest named seventh tropical storm of the Atlantic hurricane season. The previous record was held by tropical storm Gert, which formed on July, twenty, fourth, two, thousand five so far this year. Cristobal, Danielle Eduard, and Fay, also set records for being the earliest named Atlantic storms of their respective place in the alphabet.
Episode 05: The P
"A note from the smart family the statute of limitations in this case has expired on everything except murder. Anyone who comes forward with information will not be charged with any crime after the ground penetrating radar search of Susan as in Flora's backyard in two thousand seven and up through two thousand ten. Investigators received no significant information. That leads to the location of Kirsten smarts body. Dennis man continues his campaign of keeping the Flora's family on their toes though marching with banners and signs around the central coast and posting regular alert updates to his website son of Susan Dot Com as Sheriff Ed Williams very publicly admitted in nineteen ninety seven. There's not much progress that can be made on the case without Flora's cooperation and in nineteen ninety eight Williams retires without making any significant break in the case his his successor. Patrick hedges is equally unsuccessful in locating Kristin smart charging anyone with her kidnapping murder or communicating with the smart family in Stockton often in fact hedges entire career as the sheriff of San Luis Obispo is bogged down by scandals and by the end. Total public distrust in two thousand seven. One of his chief deputies discovers that sheriff hedges and his under Sheriff Steve Bolts who was once the lead detective on the Kristin. Smart case have bugged his office and been secretly videotaping him believing him to be disloyal and possibly engaging in criminal behavior a suspicion that ends up being baseless when news about the illegal wiretapping becomes public. The sheriff Docs himself seven hundred dollars or the equivalent of a single day's pay as a way to punish himself for spying on his own employees. The deputy isn't satisfied with that response and sues the sheriff. Sure for just over a million dollars for violating his privacy. He gets just half of that but it's enough for hedges constituents to lose faith in him entirely and in addition to the bugging incident several lawsuits were filed against the sheriff's department during Hedges Time in office when suspects in custody die while being restrained and in at least one case Hog tied even in his personal life hedges fails to maintain a respectable image in January of two thousand nine nine. His wife calls the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Department on the San Luis Obispo Sheriff claiming that he screaming at her and refusing to let her leave their house Sheriff's deputy show up but decide. It's not necessary to take a report on the incident. Two months later the couple separates and PAT hedges hedges announces that he will not seek reelection in an emailed press. Release he claims that his biggest disappointment is not being able to bring a prosecutable case forward on the Kristin smart disappearance in two thousand ten all of the new candidates for his job make sure to distance themselves from him to avoid being pulled into his undertow years later hedges will briefly make headlines again when he crashes his truck into a power pole and fire hydrant in the middle of the night. He's not arrested and San Luis Obispo. Police will claim no drugs or alcohol. Were involved this smart families luck with law enforcement leadership. Your ship in San Luis Obispo would almost be comical if it wasn't so tragically responsible for keeping their daughter's case from being solved but in two thousand eleven. It looks like that luck is about to change. Because there's a new sheriff in town and his name is Ian Parkinson Johnson In his interview with D. A.. A investigators on June nineteenth nineteen ninety-six. The interview I've referenced. Several Times where Paul admitted to lying about how he got his black eye and then asked if he could go. uh-huh home to clean up concrete at his mom's house. There was a moment where they thought Paul was about to confess as they pressed on details pointing out that his time line wasn't making sense and adding that another student had seen him at five. Am in the communal dorm showers. Paul started a hunch over into a fetal position folding his legs up and pulling his arms inside of his t shirt but instead of folding under pressure he responded. If you're so smart then tell me where the body is. They and the investigators don't know in early December of nineteen ninety six private investigators. Suzy mckanie is in a dry creek bed off. Laws No road. She's been hired by the smarts to follow up on leads which they believe. The sheriff's department has started to run out of with her is a cadaver dog handler named Greg and his dog. Jacks them they're looking for the body of Kristin smart not based on any solid leads but because of the map in Suzy's hand drawn by psychic from thousand oaks. Who Calls Herself Kathy Lin? The map shows a road that winds over over a steep drop off beneath which she's drawn four large boulders at the base next to an oak tree with water flowing on the opposite side. A NO MR dumbest like quad train reads quote wedged between a bolder and a rockwall hair on one end and shoe on the other red fabric or paper. He per by your head Suzy. mckanie doesn't have much hope for the search. Good leads are like right away and so I think that we lost thirty days the first thirty days my job was just rendis. Search teams have it was based on psychic. Some of it was based on. You know backs. Do I believe in psychics. You know I haven't found a body yet. I did work with one psychic model. She was amazing she come up from la every weekend do the search but still Mara hasn't found the body auty. I worked with Dorothy Allison as well. She took my keys and told me about my husband and that night. She told him where his mother was born. I'd even his mother was born. I worked with this other guy who had four cases and the poor cases he found three bodies. The one which was Christmas party didn't mind. Nobody has actually led me to the body even though Oh she can't explain how they've done it. She believes that some psychics have salt cases. Like this in the past. So she's reluctantly following up on everything. The Smart family receives law enforcement will usually treat Sakic's like any other informant. They look into the information to see if it matches information they already know. Because there's always the chance Hansen. The person claiming to be psychic is actually coming forward with firsthand knowledge which they don't want to explain how they discovered the sheriff's Department apartment also searches wosner in nineteen ninety six but because their files are private. I don't know why but there have been rumors that Paul used to hang out in the area. One of his classmates tells me he was kicked out of at least one party there in high school and in two thousand and four. This tip was sent anonymously to Dennis. Man's website that son of Susan Dot Com. My last roommate used to live near Paul in Wosner or a royal grant and you stay up all night with him after the murder because he he was involved with methamphetamines. She has never lied to me and she told me that one night Paul admitted to her that he killed Kristen and and she is buried very near his old residents in Watson. People say a lot of things when they're on meth. I think he was telling the truth and he was really laughing in the face of police police because he had buried her such an obvious spot where they've probably never even looked. I hope my tip can help in any way. I don't seek reward. I just WANNA see Bastard get with. He deserves the author of that tip has never come forward. If you know who might have written it. Please reach out to me you for all of these reasons. The wasn't area has peaked. My interest over the past year last October I met a girl who it turns Out has lived in Wosner life so I ask if she's heard any of the rumors that Kirsten's smart is buried there. She's too young to remember the details but but her mom has told her about it and she vividly recalls a time in the late nineties when on one of their hikes through an isolated creek bed. Her mother seems startled to come across a woman shoe. I am driving to wasn't to meet a family. Says they found a shootout here in the mid to late ninety S. The daughter was only about four at the time but she says she remembers it well because she thought it was strange the way her mom reacted defining something as boring as a shoe. So it stuck out in her memory so they've agreed agreed to take me down to the spot where they found the shoe to have a look around and see by tie into any of those other listener members. Wosner is an unincorporated community about ten miles east of royal grenade towards the mountains and away from the ocean. I've never been out here before and I can't help but take note of. How much space is here? The road often runs alongside creek beds surrounded by thick groves of trees that make it hard to see. See what's between them unless you're right up under them and even if you could park and climbed on the roadside everything surrounded by barbed wire fences and rusty hubcaps ABC caps hand painted with the words no trespassing riddled with bullet holes from rebellious hunters. Who Don't like to be told what to do Houses out here often a mile or more part and the private driveway to get up to. The family's house is longer than the whole street. I live on hello. It's okay absolutely. No that's fine. Okay backseat here. Brooke thank you so all the neighborhood kids on these hikes which one time I saw the shoe but just left there because I knew police either. This is where my memory is not served me great. Either they had been there and there was room rumer they were gonNA come and return or they hadn't come Jimmer what you're this was I'm thinking so. My son was born in ninety eight and he was not walking. I had him in a front pack. Okay so he was born in June of ninety eight so I feel feel like it was ninety nine like early and it was a rainy season. We used to hike up here because we went looking. There's little like waterfall. Aw So it was green like this. I feel like it could have been February or March. If her memory is accurate. Investigators had already searched by then according to newspapers on November first nineteen ninety-six five months. After Kristen was reported missing sheriff's cheers. Detectives searched. A quote can find area of Wosner one month later suzy mckanie. The private investigator returned to the area with Jack's cadaver dog and the hand-drawn map from Second Kathy Lin along with her tip wedged between a boulder. A rockwall hair on one end and in a shoe on the other red fabric or paper by her head. In the first year the smart family followed up on every lead. They received desperate to find their daughter but after an overwhelming amount of psychic tips some of them useless or nonsensical. They stop jumping in their car to investigate everyone. I imagine it gets exhausting to put your faith in anyone who claims to be channeling information especially when that information is as trivial is what world-renowned psychic Dorothy Allison had to say about the case quote. The killer has little ears. We've we've driven about a mile up the road. Further into the heart of WADA. The trail the family used to hike down as private property now. But they've asked the onus for permission to bring me down to the spot where they found the issue and they've agreed to a little the the owner a tall man in his seventies even follows us down the steep hillside with a shovel clearing brush and poison oak out of our way. It's raining lightly and at one point on the hike down I slip and fall hard but I don't think anybody notices just from a legal. Oh boy we're not giving you permission. Exactly your ah once. We're at the bottom of the hill. It's a long walk through muddy grass and over fallen trees. The mother points out several more poison oak plants from you. Avoid and I carefully steph around them to stop it takes just over ten minutes to find the spot. We're looking for where the shoe used to b but it looks just like I was picturing the bottom of a steep hillside. The ground covered in dried oak leaves acorns shells and several dead trees shooting shooting up above it. I've never put much faith in psychics. But it's hard not to notice that. This place is eerily similar to the picture Kathy Lee Andrew of the spot where she she said Kristin Body could be found a crooked country road above us a steep rockwall below that. I'm looking at now. The Oak Tree I'm standing under under and the sound of water flowing in the distance. The fact that the sake excision specifically mentioned a shoe makes my spine tingle. The neighbor kids would come with us because we'd hike up here and there is a waterfall so more and I remember I think he was on the same time where we hiked up the hill there was a huge rainbow. A guy like remember it super well for that reason I do remember her singing Like say anything about it. Obviously as a little kid I used to find stuff all the time like bottles and cans and stuff so it wasn't like Super Weird shoe us but I definitely always remembered and then when I got older when I'd bring friends up here I tall like my mom's thunder shoe up here at one time. It was so weird I mean it was flattened. Had No. He'll it was read. I think it was read like patent leather not shiny. It was way bigger than my feet. And I'm like a seven six and a half but it was a bigger issue than Mike and I just thought long hair and it could just pull it out of someone's car driving you know I don't know what it was there and I just thought if somebody needs to see it. It's here but I didn't make any phone calls or anything I just. I just thought it was weird. Things do fall out of cars. It was just that it was one shoe you know and it was just. It looked like it had been there for a while. Didn't look brand new kind of but it didn't look like it had been there for ten years old fashion inch show. No it was not. Oh No it was. It was a current shoot like in a timeframe ealier. Yeah it is I know I thought it was weird. You said you found bottles and all kinds of yeah all the time. Why did the shoe stand up to you at that point? Why did you stop and even think twice about it because it was a piece of clothing and because I knew they had searched here and it wasn't woman's shoe that's why it's sit out to me upside down see the sole of the foot but you see the edges edges are red but I left it right where it was? Obviously I saw it probably is buried under all. I'm sure you've heard sense that she disappeared in red shoes. You know you didn't know that. Now she has no idea that Kristin was last seen wearing a pair of red shoes just like the one she found. I tell her that Chris was reportedly wearing a pair of Puma brand athletic shoes and while she can't recall every detail twenty years later. She doesn't remember this. You having laces on it. Maybe more like a loafer or flat but it was also upside down and she didn't touch it. I check with Puma and and they do make a red woman's loafer but I don't think it qualifies as an athletic shoe so maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's not the shoe were looking for so but still. If sheriff's investigators and search parties did a thorough search of this area in one thousand nine hundred ninety six. Then how did they miss a woman's red shoe that caught this mother's attention which she describes as weathered and flattened as if it had been there for several years. Is it possible that this shoe was buried in nineteen ninety six and uncovered by rainfall over the next few years or is it possible that this particular area was never checked how many other areas areas have never been checked. Even if it's not kristen shoe the fact that it remained untouched here for years makes me wonder what what else is down here hidden in plain sight at least one man who asked not to be identified says he saw Ruben Florez whereas driving a truck through Wattana followed closely by another pickup truck with a male driver who he didn't get a good look at he places the time as Memorial L. D. Weekend Nineteen ninety-six because it was the same weekend as a Royal Grandes Annual Strawberry Festival. Too much time has passed now to verify this but if if any member of the flora's family was out in wosner around that time it's probably a good place to search for for months stand smart follows up on every psychic tip the family receives driving thousands of miles to wherever someone says his daughter could be occasionally friends from NAPA. Join him and the apple farm and slow lets them stay for free in June of Nineteen Ninety six. They searched Lopez Lake. Santa Margarita Lake Cuesta Grade and the Dune south of Moro Bay but turned up nothing stand crawl through tunnels and creek beds and hikes up mountains and one one hundred plus degree weather and never gets any closer to finding kristen but he doesn't feel like any of it was a waste of time after people would tell you where they are. She wasn't you went and looked and she wasn't. How did you feel that you feel taken advantage? No not at all. Most I would say everybody that I encountered no one asks for money We're not trying to be helpful now. Obviously the notoriety if they were a sear astrologists etc a doubter numerology than. They might want notoriety and they might want money but Most people were Concern for us concern for her totally and and When we have large groups of people go out on searches you know maybe twenty five or thirty people Merchants would provide divide sandwiches and water. I mean really nice wonderful things so you know. They speak highly of the people that live in San Luis Obispo Araya Grind Day. People were awfully nice. You know is I went around looking for her. I said I came to somebody's property and the gate was locked or whatever and I wanted to look inside and they let this strange man looking for his daughter going look for which was awfully nice. CNN I mean that speaks highly the community there are several people that were involved that thought they knew her daughter was located and we would go follow up on that look and and there. Wasn't anybody anybody that we turned away and You know we I would drive up to Tahoe and Reno a person said Oh she was in a vehicle going there. We found her on the map and then shoes she was down cal. Poly you know and I would go down there and go you go anywhere looking for your daughter and so somebody said they spotted did her but it's not her. You get your hopes up but the dash pretty quickly so but you never turn away. You don't want to be the person that it didn't follow up on something that could be real a popular theory on the cal. Poly campus was that Christians body was concealed beneath the foundation of the Performing Arts Center or the PAC which was directly across the street from the red bricks and in construction at the time. Construction had been ongoing since it's nineteen ninety. Four and the first events in the center took place in July of nineteen ninety six so it seems like much of the foundation should have been set by May but proponents into this theory are adamant that it wasn't to bury her in an active construction site though would mean risking that a worker would spot her remains while pouring the foundation and still like any other theory. It can't be ruled out entirely until christianised found early on someone sent an anonymous card to the smart family early. That seconded this theory. At the bottom the author wrote quote. I did not have anything to do with this. I swear I will use the name. Jelly bean investigators took the tip seriously going so far as to compare the handwriting samples of individuals close to the case twenty any three years later jelly. Bean has never come forward. If you know this person's identity please reach out to me another theory and and the one that made the most sense to stand smart for many years was that Kristen's body was put in the dumpster behind Santa Lucia Hall. Paul floors is dorm. Room was on the ground on floor and had a window that face the back parking lot which I measured as just eighty five feet away from the dumpster. A garbage truck picked up on Saturday mornings at seven seven. AM so the timing would have been convenient after that the contents would've been dumped at the Cold Canyon landfill but according to the landfill L. Supervisor each dump was carefully logged and sorted by date and location and employees have to pick through the incoming garbage one loaded a time to make sure that no oh hazardous. Materials are present. Besides that Sheriff's detectives spent a few days digging in the section where cal poly garbage was taken and reportedly dug down until they unearth issues of the Mustang daily from before Kristen's disappearance could. Her body have been missed of course but the one thing. That's missing from the dumpster. Theory and the pack theory that makes me doubt. Them is Ruben Flores. He had to call somebody for you the person if you can recall when you're that young I mean who would you call. My theory is that he called group. It's a theory that susie developed early on that only got stronger the more she investigated. And it's a theory that Susan I share remember the a person who reportedly saw Ruben and another driver in two separate pickup trucks out in Oisina over Memorial Day weekend. I WanNa talk about those trucks. Paul's parents bought him a nineteen ninety. Three Ford Ranger in highschool meant green. There's a picture of imposing with it in the Arroyo `Grande High School Yearbook. This is the truck. He would let his coworker. Lisa from Garland's borrow and the truck Jackie's neighbors saw parked up her streep when she found dead roses on her fence. Ruben owned a white nineteen eighty-five Nissan pickup truck. So that's something the flora's family did own two pickup trucks in nineteen ninety ninety six just like the witness reported seeing Ruben. Flora's was deposed by the smarts. Attorney James Murphy on November Fourteenth Nineteen ninety-seven back. I think the same day Paul took the Fifth Amendment to every question. He was asked but Reuben doesn't have the same privilege. His deposition was videotaped and James. Murphy's Office gave me a copy of the tape videotape. Would you please raise you. Let him plays the VHS. HSS tape was slightly warped in places so occasionally you'll hear it slowdown for a second and the Mike sometimes feeds back a little. But it's a great reference of Ruben. Story sorry this many years later when the topic of the trucks comes up Rubin's answers are conspicuously inconsistent use of that Ford Ranger after in May of ninety six. No one had use of it and no one was in May of ninety six. And why do you say no one was using it because it was impounded but then a a few minutes later Sunday morning after the disappearance of Kristin smart out of Paul get victim up at school and you pick often what vehicle the ranger the ranger that nobody had access to in May of Nineteen ninety-six because it was impounded. And did Paul ever have access to Rubens eighty-five Nissan vehicle. And then a few minutes slater those registered to vote. And when was the change of registration for you to call. I don't know in other depositions positions taken with pulse co workers. Several of them confirmed that he regularly drove the White Nineteen eighty-five Nissan to work in the summer of nineteen ninety six and then and it was registered to Paul sometime between then and the deposition in November of nineteen ninety seven. So when Ruben says Paul didn't drive that vehicle he's not telling telling the truth and when he says nobody had access to the ranger and May of Nineteen ninety-six he's lying then there's the issue of the bed liner the plastic component that POPs into the inner bed of a pickup truck to protect it from being scratched or stained. If a body was in the back of either truck the bed liners could be tested for DNA wiped. Meson truck hat did have a bed. Liner is and in fact How long did that deadline or abandoned the vehicle the same or different ones? Well let let's start with In May of Nineteen ninety-six was the bed. Liner changed knows the same one doc. Okay so if if I were to go back to May first nineteen ninety six. I would see a bed liner in your. Es and how long had that deadline or bannon vehicle prior to May of ninety six several years after after may of Nineteen ninety-six. Isn't it true. That headliner was changed now. Did you at any time after after May of Nineteen Ninety six purchase. A new bed liner for the vehicle. nobis entre to to your knowledge. Did your son call forest purchasing new bed liner for the vehicle. No but watch what happens when Murphy hints that he has a witness who says otherwise Do you have any recollection of making any statement to any individual that you were going to change the headliner as a birthday present for your son. I've been quick to things mixed up here. Okay how many what's what's a bed liner for me. Now Ruben doesn't even know what a bed liner is but he told at least one person that he got pollen new plastic bed headliner for his truck as a birthday present. There are holes and contradictions. All throughout Ruben's story of the events of that Memorial Day weekend and a lot of them revolve solve around the floor as families to trucks. I can't figure out what his motive would be for changing his story about them so many times if they weren't involved in a crime in some way away so we're the trucks ever searched by law enforcement. No neither one since his answers about the trucks are looking suspicious. Now now why don't they search them after the deposition vehicle now. We traded in on another. Where did you traded him? high-paying jobs so the nineteen ninety-three Ford Ranger is gone by. Nineteen ninety seven a four year old vehicle traded in for another one and the white one thousand nine hundred five Nissan. No when did you sell that yearbook. It was stolen. One one was a strong mother to go and from where it was parked stolen. Send you and Did you report the theft of that vehicle to the San. NBA Police Department. I didn't who did Paul. Did Paul tell you anything about how the vehicle wound up being sold. He drove to San Diego. And what was he doing in San Diego title. You know if he was visiting family you know if he if you're if all house family in San Diego knowledge off all his friends and San Diego not to my knowledge you know where the vehicle was. Parked at the time was last. Seen the Had you given the vehicle of to Paul for his yes except the Nissan was stolen a month or two before the deposition that would have been September or October. Tober of Nineteen ninety-seven when Paul was living with his sister in Irvine and working at outback. Steakhouse with Melinda. Who had to give Paul Rides home because he didn't have have a vehicle or a valid driver's license in the entire time? She knew him. Melinda told me she never saw him with a vehicle so how did his dad's White Nissan John Get registered in Paul's name and then driven to San Diego where he apparently doesn't have any friends or family and then left somewhere to be stolen. I have no idea. But both trucks are gone within a year and a half of Kristen's disappearance and rubens answers about them seem invasive. It's it's not the only question he's evasive about. Ruben works for GTE general telephone and electronics as a payphone technician. His job is to repair install maintain and collect money from payphones on a circuitous route but he absolutely avoids answering questions about what that that route is. Some of the payphones are in rural areas. Which Murphy obviously wants a list of but Reuben S- Quince and studies the ceiling every time? I'm he's asked where any of those payphones are or even where the local GTE office is. You have a particular route that you cover of and in the process of servicing collecting repairing and maintaining payphones different routes And is it a different route every day that note most in May of nineteen ninety six. What would your typical route hermet? Uh He would start the morning workout. Where what what's the question? How would I wanNA know in May of nineteen ninety six you were employed by John From Europe? Describe your activities in -pointment were to maintain tapeh. I asked you whether or not there was a rout you took. And you indicated that generally there is a route that you would pick and who who established what that route was the computer. Do you receive a computer. printout from company company Laptop Okay and is it a laptop computer that is with you in the vehicle and you simply referenced the Laptop Computer for instructions where to go. Yes so I've never worked for the phone company. You don't just stop and check every payphone along the Rop opt correct not usually you are generally assigned specific locations where there is a problem with pay phone yes or collections. Now your responsibility to go to certain certain pay phones on a regular basis and collect the money yes and is that a generally known route meaning. Do you have to go to your computer to find out. We're going to go when you're collecting simply collection route. Did you take on computers. That's an a computer Would it be fair to say that. Say for example in May of nineteen ninety six that you would on a regular basis. Collect money on. You've all of the phones on your guest on a typical day when you were going to be doing collections would you. What would the rob be and he would take you? Start off your home in the morning. I'll start off at my designated a place designated meeting where the computer wherever they foreman puts me. And then how often would you go and collect money. Make Your Lutheran collect money from the payphones everyday and Where would your described to me in general your your first stop And then you're the house of travel that you would normally follow impact. Do follow a path of travel to collect as many any other phones. Whatever the computer tells me if you collect the phone do collect some money every day from every fell on your rob? You collect the money from the payphones on some type of regular basis. That is go to rural right Randy on one day is mobile John Another day whatever the computers gives me the wrote. The computer routes and the where is the main office where the computer routes would be maintained word. I don't know where is the main office office for general telephone in this area. The headquarters journal telephone is GTE NUMBER ONE GT placed. Thousand Oaks. Does does your your four men have a local office on which he works. Guess where would that little coffee. That's confidential I would like to have a physical address where the phone company offices where your form and were this bench and if you want the information you call general telephone number one. Gt He plays thousand oaks and they feel. That won't get information. Wouldn't communications field us. And and that's what a vote with all due respect on investigating the disappearances smart's daughter and I'm not the overly concerned about your assessment of confidentiality. I would like to have the wins. Give me the physical address so that I can serve an appropriate subpoena to obtain his route. Sadder about the time of this incident. I think other be entitled to that information in a way that this can be handled. I I think it'd be subpoenaed from thousand oaks. That's the main office that compiles all the records and and when the questions moved to his route in May of nineteen ninety six. He's even more hesitant to answer. May of ninety six. What would be the most rural rural so or foams that you would service as technician wherever they be physically located dinner? Santa Question yes okay a still if you don't understand well no let's give location employment. Okay so the location of the most most rural telephone of work no. I don't think he was asking that question. Let me rephrase it. Can you tell me what is is the most rural location of a payphone in the Arroyo Grande area than you would service in ninety six. Gerald telephone is not in in the La area so there would be no phones in the Roy Brandy City area that would be jeep general wreck what is the. What is the nearest area to where you live in Randy that there are g teeny phones of you service? Ask One antics store another line of questioning. That Ruben tries to avoid centers on an incident that happened back in Torrance before the Flores Florus family moved up to a Royal Guerande in fact right before they moved. It's an incident demonstrates Paul's ability to become dangerously violent Glenn and his parents total denial of their son's guilt in nineteen ninety-one while he was in eighth grade at Berlin Middle School. Paul got into a a fight that put another kid in the hospital. Actually fight might be the wrong word to use. Paul flew into a rage and beat a seventh grader in the head until Kelly had to be taken to the hospital. The Flora's is know all about it because the other kid was so badly injured. They were ordered by a court to repay his medical expenses. It was also recommended that they send Paul the anger management but they refused so admitting that their son has a history of violence when he's being sued for the wrongful death breath of a girl who was last seen alive with him isn't something Susan and Reuben are willing to do. In fact during the deposition in nineteen ninety-seven it takes a a lot of questioning for Ruben to even acknowledge that he knows which incident that Murphy is asking. I slightly edited this clip for time without changing the context in the past prior to the commencement of this lawsuit to your knowledge has your son been sued for for some for any active misconduct or Dacian misconduct by there was a settlement. But I only understand it right. I'd like to ask you some questions about the sun went. Were you involved in the strike. That was your son a minor at the time that a person made a claim against him for damages in a civil action. What civil actions is there was a settlement in a case that involved your son correct kind of put the horse with the wagon and start telling what claiming what action before we get to back? Because I don't understand what it claims are judgments I understood. It used the word. Some some suggested this to me that somebody paid some money to someone else understands Wrestlemania's and is it your understanding that someone gave sir money to somebody else because of something. Your son was alleged to. I'm not sure you are believed there was but I'm not sure. What is your understanding of what your son is alleged to have done because someone to pay settlement on his behalf? Where was this at well? You had indicated that there was a subtle. Yeah yeah in each case but I don't understand we're talking about the same thing. What are you talking about? I want to know what your son did. Take somebody pay money to somebody else. Where was this at well with? We're that was there more than one. Where would the when you're speaking about it for a settlement? Are you speaking of Pacific settlement. Yes what settlement is this. The settlement that you told me was paid are believe eight. I'm not sure well. Can you specific sure were you living in Torrance at a time that your son guy in a fight with another individual. That's what you're talking about is okay. Yeah that settlement and listen to how Rubin describes the incident. What is it that your son was alleged to have done to this other person? There were three persons who are three persons that were involved in the sensitive work. Generally talking about what's her. Name's Yeah I don't know. Was your son accused of inflicting injury and someone when you lived in Torrance scorns resulting in farmers paint so money to the person got. Yes did your son injure one person or three persons persons. I believe what you had said. That something about there being three persons. When did you mean by three kids jumped on on him at school? So three kids jumped on your son school the S. and then there was a fight. Obviously that occur between four over my boy and three others and what were the injuries suffered by the person who received the money from farm. I did you did you did you talk to your son about. The fight occurred when three people jumped on your son and ultimately refunders made so many. Yes what did your son tell you happened in the fight. He was walking on a playground and three kids came. Start pushing him around and he pushed back and they grabbing from the back a couple of them he's pushing shoving tried to get away from. I don't have the audio of Susan Flora's his deposition but I do have the transcript typed by a court reporter and and here's her answer to the same question. I don't remember all the details. There was a number of students. Preying on the younger students. It was a sixth seventh eighth grade. Junior high I situation and there was continual stuff going on in that order and one day there were three of them and he took three of them on and one did get kicked. And I don't remember. Remember all the details of it. In fact both Susan and Reuben seemed to have forgotten most of the details. The kid got hurt. was hospitalized. Reside don't do you know the amount of the medical bills that were hate on behalf of the injured. No I don't Do you know the name of the kid who got injured. Well I do his name. Is Nick sprite Sir. I started looking for Nick months ago leaving voicemails and emails else asking him to share his story. I didn't get a response until last week. When he was introduced to this podcast on a flight home and listened with with his wife? He agreed to tell me about the incident. And it's a lot different than Ruben. And Susan. Remember it He bullied me with regularity. Clarity I was a pretty meet child at that age. You know work losses and and other kids fixated on that day of the incident. That happened to me was the day. I decided that I was going to stand up for myself. And it just didn't yield the results. I was hoping for I believe I believe. He was happening during P. E. Class. And what happened was I saw your fat fight back like I said I I think it turned into a little bit of a shoving match and at some point that turned into a wrestling match and we were on the ground and he was stronger than me so he fairly quickly dominated me and he sat on my face with his legs outward towards my legs and While he was on my face I kit it and I apparently landed quite well right in the center. Face he got off me and Got Up on his feet rather quickly while I was rolling over onto my shoulder so I could stand up but while I was still on my shoulder he jumped up and stumped on my head head. There's no way I could know this because I was hit over the head I remember being told he jumped up in the air with both the off the ground around and landed squarely on the side of my head with both feet When I told my mother that last night she remembered just being one foot no way to know really which which I know I had a footprint on my face when I was in the hospital from his shoe but regardless there was a lot of forced I in my head and I was knocked out When I came to I woke up and there was a crowd of kids standing around me looking confused or concerned I got on my feet. Flora's was gone and immediately I had several floaters in my in. My vision went completely great to the point where I completely blind and I had to have a friend of mine. Walk me to the nurse's office beacon. I do it on my own. By the time I got to the nurse's office. I couldn't remember my name. My Mother's name my home phone number but somehow I managed to remember number by downpayment is works on. He rushed onto the school. Drove me immediately to our pediatrician our pediatrician. Apparently I told my parents that she Washington deteriorate in front of her eyes and basically panicked until we need to go to the emergency room right now so she walked out out of her own practice with knee and my dad went into his truck drove immediately to the emergency room. I think it was in a short distance away and Ran into the emergency room By that point I was losing all motor control. I felt like my arms and legs splaying around. I had no control over them and my dad didn't even turn the engine off or closed the car doors because I was trying to tell my dad but he returned. The car are off for closed doors. And it just came out the garbled garbled noises just made no sense then. They brought me into ended the hospital. They got me on a table or Garnier or whatever and at that point. I managed to ask my father if I was dying. It's right before I really blacked out and I was Horrible for my father to go through. Because he didn't know and then I was in consciousness for several days I was in the hospital for a total of five days. Seventy two hours before I can answer basic questions about you. Know what year was what my name was appears extremely combative and we Emergency Room that entire time and they had to put me in a separate wing of a hospital because I was screaming Go I was reenacting to fight while I was in and out of consciousness. The only long-term consequence physically that I had I just asked my parents again about this last night. With a dull headache I had for about six months. Paul suspended from school for a whole three days the the principal apparently did suggest to One or both of Paul's parents that he felt he needed to see a a counselor for anger management issues and the parents just blew it off. And that's basically the incident I send Nick Clip of Ruben. Step position so he can hear his version of the story. Did you sign indicates you that he had cared a person in the head now altercation. The kicked him out well. One boy was holding him and he's trying to get away. He's doing everything he can to try to get away and one kid got hurt. And it's utter fabrication. If outright lie not long after their insurance paid thousands of dollars for nick medical expenses dances. The Flora's has left Torrance and moved up to a royal ground to the same house. Where Ruben Flores still lives today so when we're looking for the most most likely location of Kristen's body maybe we're overlooking the most obvious place of all a few weeks ago? I got an email from a woman who said she was reluctantly contacting me. Because her niece had listened to the podcast and encouraged her to share her story. Okay I'm I'm very nervous. I will do so. I was working with Susan. Florist at Oceana. Elementary School is an instructional channel. Eighty s was she when Krista smart went missing and during that we there she had a lot of anger about about it and there was such disdain and hate towards the smart family towards the I think it was sheriff's not please whoever always investigating and that made me mad enough to get involved and try to get as much information as I could to give due to the attorney of the smarts in so I befriended her and anyway I started to go to lunch with her went to the graduate to dance with Susan on purpose to meet Ruben. The father gosh I mean that's kind of when I really I mean the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Susan floors told me is extremely violent with her and that's why they got a divorce source. What I did is I went to lunch with her? And we'd sit in a car for half hour at one time. Susan said to me that she knew you how stupid the shares were not to have even searched the avocado grow. Where's the Avocado Grove? In Ruben. Flora's yard which slopes down the side of a hill. It wasn't searched and this woman's recollection makes me think of another story. I heard several months months ago. When Paul floor is ex girlfriend told me about the only time she visited a Royal Guerande with him? I wouldn't be surprised if something was buried in. Its Dad's house. AUSTAT has like acres of avocado trees. Even remember saying Oh my gosh there's advocaat to walk around and they're like now now. Now come inside come inside and I just thought like after knowing everything. Why didn't they look at the dad's house that's a question that a lot of people asked Brinda Gillan? The journalist who was was present for the two thousand seven search of Susan Flora's backyard wondered that too she could have been placed in Ruben floors as yard. I don't know if he's still lives in the the same place or or anything. I don't know his situation but we drove by not was quite large. And would you know. There's a lot of bushes and it just seemed like like there could be a place. Larry Conyers the ground penetrating radar operator thought the same thing. We did drive by the father's House House and at the time. You've probably been by that house and it's kind of as I recall sitting on a slope of a hill and it is just overgrown with brambles and there's oak trees and there's all kinds of stuff and it was about two or three Acre piece of property is recall. It'd be glad to do you this but we're talking. This is a two week data collection kind of process. This isn't just go up there and wave your magic wand around down and figure out what's there and and I said before that's going to happen we're going to have to come in here with the MOWER and we're going to have to mow all the grass down get rid of all the weeds weeds and brambles probably poison oak and who knows what else is growing in there and by the time. I got done telling them what really needed to be done done on the father's property they they they were just like any old police department at that. I wasn't dealing with police department. But they acted as like police. Say Oh Arabs too much work for us or something anyway. Nothing ever happened. That glazed over look in the eyes of people who were officially usually in charge of finding kristen is a recurring theme. That I've heard from anyone who offered their assistance. The expense of these searches seems to turn them off immediately to the idea idea. Even though members of the community have regularly attempted to donate to the cause were volunteer their time or equipment at no charge but citizens who offer their help often. Don't even get a call back. I call the sheriff's Department and left a message with no return caller contact. I've heard this grievance from a lot of people now reporting information to the sheriff's department that was never followed up on from my standpoint and outside observer trying aim to understand this story without having access to all of the undisclosed files on this case it doesn't seem like searching locations for Kristen's body is a high priority ready from Susan's backyard. Never being cleared to Rubens Yard never even being searched two shoes being left untouched for years. Right out in the open in rural. Oh Creek beds. It seems like the sheriff's department is more focused on building their case against the suspect. Even if it takes twenty three years to do rather than spending a day here too digging but it turns out. That's not entirely true in two thousand eleven. San Luis Obispo Elects Ian Parkinson as its new sheriff. If you're making a film about a new law enforcer who is coming to a small town to save the day you'd probably cast Parkinson. It is young and handsome with a strong jaw perpetual stubble and well-tailored uniform that he never seems to take off during his first month in office. He proclaims his commitment to resolving the Kristin smart case and sets up a meeting with the smart family thrilled to have a sheriff who will communicate with them after two administrations who basically left them in the dark about new developments. It looks like things are going to be different with Parkinson's but then his entire hire first term goes by with no break in the case he's elected to a second term which begins on January fifth. Two Thousand Fifteen. Finally finally the following year after they've had time to go over the files and all of the evidence is Wade Sheriff's launch full-scale excavation. The CAL poly hillside now to a possible break in a twenty year mystery out of San Luis Obispo. The San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's department and the F. B. I. Have Begun unexcavated a remote site below cal. Poly's iconic peace sign on the hill overlooking the campus. We're hoping that we find something. And we're committed not stopping until we're able to bring this to closure. The family understands that I mentioned that is are hoping desire that this leads to some of the answers that we've been asking for the past twenty years As what happened to Kristen. It's a move that perplexes the community the university and even the smart family early but they remain in Stanford's cautiously optimistic with all of the undisclosed files. The sheriff maintains there's the distinct possibility that they know so something the public doesn't maybe Kristin smart has been buried underneath the pitch this whole time. The P. is literally a giant letter. He he for Paulie constructed in concrete on a hillside that overlooks the red brick dorm buildings. It's a short hike from the last spot. Kristen was seen but it seems like an unlikely place to carry a body in the middle of the night and it's an area that was searched in the first month of Kristen's disappearance but at least someone is looking since nineteen ninety six. The Smart Families relationship with cal poly hasn't been great. They were never contacted by either of the two successive cal paulie presidents. Ever until September twenty seventeen at one point administrators offered to put a Kristen Smart Memorial bench on campus in exchange for signing a contract. That said CAL poly was not at fault for what happened to her and they reserve the right to remove the memorial bench inch whenever they wanted without notice. The smarts declined years ago on a trip to San Luis Obispo. Denise smart stopped stopped. The Cal Poly Registrar's Office and requested a copy of Kristen's freshmen transcripts. To her surprise kristen was failed in every class. She took because she missed her finals. It's a sad legacy for Kristen. Smart and oversight that's never been corrected or even addressed On September Sixth Twenty Sixteen Sheriff Parkinson holds a press conference conference at CAL poly parking lot. He's not alone in addition to sheriff's investigators he's flown in twenty five. FBI agents from Virginia to assist the search So good afternoon. Sheriff Ian Parkinson for those. Who Don't know joining me today? Our special agent in charge. Excuse me Sean Reagan. Here to my immediate. He left next to Agent charge. Reagan is president of Kepala Porsche Armstrong and our DA. Dan Dow so this sheriff's Office has been investigating the Kristin Smart Case for over twenty years as you know today That investigation is led us back here where I began The campus at cal poly and. Now there's a place where kristen was last seen alive as many you know today in conjunction with the FBI we're announcing the excavation excavation project of this location And due to its high visibility and we really decided that he was best just to go ahead and disclose why were here ear rather than you kind of figure it out and US answer the questions. After the fact we Have developed this lead over the past couple years and had been been working on it This lead was determined or developed after a comprehensive review the entire case. And as many of you don't don't know with this case going on twenty years two cases quite large in size so it took a while for the current investigator to get up the speed that The lead us to This location cal poly we brought in especially especially human remains detection dogs Brought in from the FBI out of their headquarters in Virginia using their protocols with their search dogs works And we brought him in this past January several areas an interest were identified up on this hillside. And we're not sure where this is going to take us Obviously we want to be optimistic as possible And we hope that this leads us to you either. Kristen or evidence of Christian Kristen and will continue to focus our efforts on other investigated leads as well that we've been continuing the work for those who don't know We have Over the past several years we have increasingly added more resources to this case One because we think that We can bring it to conclusion but to out of of Interest in in closing out any unsolved case that we have we have Essentially had a fulltime investigator on this case that Deputy attraction. Da Dow has signed a Deputy Da. Eh to the case you know I must stress one important thing that We must manage our expectations. And so when we make a announcement like this that we're doing something Because the high visibility. We felt the need to do this. I'm probably Do Not Have in-depth answers for you right now because it's an active investigation instigation. But I'll certainly give my best effort to answer anything that you have. The excavation makes national news and takes four days to complete the following following week. The San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's Office has confirmed that some kind of remains have been found in their search for Kristin smart's body but they have not said whether they're from an animal or human. The sheriff's Office is stressing that the remains that were found on this hillside behind me. Still need to be analyzed and that it's not confirmed that these remains pains are related to this case slow sheriff's Department spokesperson. Tony Kapur says there remains will take weeks or even months for an anthropologist to analyze and officials will not release any further information until then four days later on September sixteenth Paul Flora's gets his seventh. Dui in in Hermosa beach so maybe they've got him nervous. Maybe it's this part of the press conference which has never been elaborated on so we're also focused on other locations. However we're not disclosing those locations at this time Because of investigative reasons where are those other locations and where the remains James Animal or human three full years have passed since the excavation and this is the last official word from September. Twenty Seventeen San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office released this statement regarding the investigation. It reads in part. This investigation remains active but there are no further updates at this time. We continue to communicate with the smart family and inform them of developments which we hope will lead to a successful resolution in this case. So now we're back to waiting. Some People Trust Parkinson on this like Dennis Man. I think she's on the hill because trust me on this one imparted. It doesn't care what I think about him and he doesn't so you think about him however he really does care what his peers think about it. In Two Thousand Sixteen he flew in twenty five. FBI ages from around the nation into San Luis and went on national TV so he's putting his personal reputation among his peers on the line. And there's no no way. He would have done that because he had great information. He didn't do that on a whim. He had some powerful powerful information. Say the Christmas. It's up that hill. Other people think it was a sham and some of them have been more outspoken about it than others. He comes into this job and I think this whole thing has been screwed up from day one and he has to piece it all together. Well that's not an easy job but does it take five years. No Oh all I know is you wouldn't go digging. Great big holes at CAL poly until you're cleared the back yard I the next time listening to your own backyard episode five Own Backyard is written produced and hosted by Chris. Lambert ooh associate producer is Alexandra Wallace special. Thanks to Dennis Man. Peter King Nicholas Wintry candace candice fender plus Derek Payne Jamie Lewis Garin Sinclair Sandy. Arnold April Coal Wurley Kerry quimby Elissa. Brigham Calin Pope Sydney Brand Libya de Janeiro Dallas Bronson Giovanna and Matthew. Frank if you feel that you have information that could so help law enforcement with their investigation you can directly contact. San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Detectives at eight five. Seventy one forty five hundred. They want to reach out to us directly. Send an email to your own backyard. PODCAST AT G MAIL DOT COM or visit our website at your own backyard. PODCAST DOT COM to keep up with new episodes. Subscribe to your own backyard on Apple podcasts casts and follow us on facebook or instagram. Original Music is by Chris. Lambert they WANNA help keep Kristen's memory alive. You can donate to the Kristin Smart Scholarship at Kristin Smart Dot Org A note from the smart family a statute of limitations in this case has expired on everything except murder. Anyone who comes forward forward with information will not be charged with any crime.
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"Country Carthy Rolling ooh I'm going back to school. They're me to. They won't have me. Don't have anybody take Ted's trip. Took welcome to the cross country. Coffee roadshow season to the Pacific Coast highway from San Diego to Seattle and with your hosts. Dan and Linda mcgarry come along as they introduce you to the best and most unique coffee houses. Around this amazing country they'll be a highlighting some of the gems of the independent coffee world. What makes these coffees? People and places so special whether you're a novice first time seper or a true connoisseur and aficionado whether you're coming from across the country or across the street you will be rewarded with great stories. Fabulous coffees the unique Baristas and owners. Come join us this season and hear the stories of the road and learn what makes this portion of America so special now prepare. Prepare to travel with them. The length of the Pacific Coast highway from San Diego to Seattle. What Gadhafi shop at a time? Welcome to this week's edition of the Cross Country Offi roadshow episode number thirty nine radical inclusivity. Good morning good afternoon. Good evening tonight. Points this point it's not just pointers hardest. And and have a free drink free free. Set them free at our next coffee store this week. We're San Luis Obispo at Front Porch or San Luis Obispo or S. l.. It is one of the most unusual coffee stores whereas we have ever been to and I can't even call it a coffee store. Can I know because it's a copy shop and and the reason we're making a differentiation is because there is nothing for sale in this particular coffee store it has only free items coffee specifically. How can that be? We're GONNA find out all about how that can be when we get there. But how do I get my espresso. Yeah how did we get our espresso. Well the volunteers on staff showed us how to pull our own shots. Yeah so there's no Baristas is there no. So did you make your own espresso. I did and how was it delicious. And and how does anybody get paid. And how does anybody make any money. We're GONNA find out all about that too so stay tuned because this is an episode you will not want to miss risk in fact we got pulled in so well to this particular coffee store. We're going to actually visit this over quite some time. So we'll have three episodes on front porch in San Luis Obispo Front Porch. Place says come in grab a cup of coffee. Study or hang with your friends except that it doesn't say anything there aren't any signs anywhere and unless you knew it was there you'd never find it. This is a a place where truly everybody knows your name. It is the cheers of all coffee. Stores that we have ever been into. That's for sure. And it is designed for the students of CAL poly and more about that as we get into the interviews. By the time we left front porch I felt like a better person so sit back. Relax and enjoy the next episode at CAL. Poly Tech in San Luis Obispo California the free port radical inclusivity and in our first guest. This week is Joel. In fact he's our only guest this week. We were captivated by the front porch. It's a place place where the students from cal. Poly Tech Calm but how did they start this idea. Free Coffee and inclusivity and boy. Everybody should come no matter matter what your religion is such such. How did that start? When Joel became a director seven years ago they had twenty students a day coming to front front porch? Now they have four to five hundred students today. If you think you know what it means to be ecumenical and open you'll listen to this interview. I think in gain a new perspective. This makes you want to do three things. Get the Free Cup of coffee. Go Back to college and me Joel. When Joel talked about radical inclusivity I had no idea what it was talking about about by the end of his interview? It made perfect sense to me. How do people with multiple fates share the same space? Nobody can get along not there. Everybody gets along. What if you have no faith that to know faith any faith? Some faith different from faith traditional faith you are truly welcomed a student about to graduate toll Joe. One thing he did that changed his life. Sometimes all you have to do is be present. Good morning we are at San Luis Obispo and we are at the Front Porch today and my I guess Joel will introduce himself. My name is Joel. Drink full Joel. The I'm going to start out with a basic question. How did you get to this particular store on the campus of CAL? Poly Ali in Tell me a little bit about that experience. In that journey I grew up in Seattle Washington and had a love of coffee from the very the beginning Growing up in that environment and when I was a probably in highschool had dreams of laugh at these dreams. Now but dreams of being a pastor sir. How many dreams do we laugh about from high school? I think there's quite a few. Actually I was meant to be a Rockstar. That was going to go. Yeah so I had aspirations of being pastor and so right out of college I worked at a small church in Seattle Washington that was part of the plan To work at a small church then it was to work it out larger larger church and so I did that down in Southern California I'd met my wife at school and she was from Southern California so we moved down to the La area And then it was at about that point in my life. This is about six seven eight years into doing ministry and a church where I kinda and this was standard congregation not necessarily with college students or your. I was working with youth so junior high high school students and it was at that point that I kind of seeing the inside of the church seeing the politics of the church A lot was changing in my own thinking about the world. Some of the things I had grown up thinking about how the world works how things were beginning to change after my experiences in college again my mind just being open to a whole different way of thinking and seeing ways that other people think and wasn't sure that I really wanted to work in the church anymore and at this point it was a little disconcerting to my my wife because this was we were married. Now we are. You had two kids a third on the way and this was the plan is surprise. Honey we're changing careers. I was in graduate the time it was a masters degree but I pulled out of that program as well and said I'm not sure what I WANNA do but I don't WanNa do this anymore anymore. Can't look like this. Did you leave spirituality faith behind or was it simply saying you know. This isn't the faith I imagined for myself. Yeah it was more of that that it was more the expression of the faith that I had grown up with again these ideas that I was raised with love people to be kind and caring and compassionate to to serve people to others needs above your your own. We're all things that I very much still believed in. It was just the expression of it that I had experienced wasn't they weren't working weren't more of the structure. Yeah definitely more the structure and so I went to work in a business that did retail fabrication designing construction. which is something completely different and and I started at the very bottom and so that fed me it was like this is great? I don't have all the politics and the structure of the church but yet I still feel like I'm doing the same thing. I'm still just connecting with people because for me. That's what it's always been about. Even when I was working in the church and after about two years though I still had these feelings of wanting to do something that was more I would say spiritual spiritually oriented and then I also started thinking about people who are in a similar circumstances me who had maybe growing up in the church and grown up with this thing. That wasn't working for them anymore. Could I somehow how be a part of their experience and their story in their into that and provide something for them and so had to my wife. Okay I think I kinda I don't WanNa get back in it for one to finish my degree and she looks i. She was so patient and always it always helps to marry the right partner partner APPS and she said all right and she said I am with you. Let's do this together. And so I went back to Grad School. I finished my degree. Didn't know what that meant. I grew up in a Presbyterian church and I don't know why I did this but I said to my I like you know what I'm going to go through the ordination process in the Presbyterian that's between church. I don't WanNa be pastor per se but I wanNA finish this ordination process and I don't know necessarily why and had a friend that that lived up here in San Luis Obispo and he said there's this thing called front porch I don't think it's up your alley per se in terms terms of what it currently looks like but I think there might be potential for you here and the current director is going to be leaving and so I said to my wife Eh would you ever consider living in San Luis Obispo and she said she wasn't too keen on the idea She she said. Why don't you at least go through the process and see where it ends up so so I went to the process? We really need interview your wife. I think we really get her side of this ricochet story. It'd be a really interesting perspective. But she supports you and says go ahead you go through the process and see what happens. Yeah and so. We went through the process and in in the midst of the process. The front porch was something that was nothing like it is today. It was very much what I grew up with in terms of the church and it was almost like a youth group for college students. It was a place where maybe twenty to thirty students in this building. Twenty to thirty students utilized on a daily basis. Just to kind of hang out. It wasn't something that people walked by and could just walk in whenever they want to give people perspective. How many students are coming in and out right? Now we estimate somewhere around four hundred students will come in and out of day four to five hundred and most of them have done that this morning while we were turned to AP nonstop revolving door students in and out in and out and for listeners purposes. Were recording outside. So that gives audio. What the inside is like? This is the space we could find. So so joe you. You started basically a big change in a small organization organization year at that time. How did you go about that? And how did you get your wife to say yeah. Let's go what we're going to the slow. It was something I said to her. I think this I think we're we're onto something here. I think there's potential for something big here again in what it looked look like on the job description was not necessarily something that I was. If I'm a hundred percent honest was super excited about It was very much running a college ministry that provided provided a safe place for students while they're at a state school a safe religious place and that's the opposite of what I wanted. I wanted to place yes at its core could be have that spiritual component opponent to it but a place that again in my mind if any faith tradition is doing at. Its core. What it's supposed to be doing it's be something that's radically inclusive serve and is open to everyone and there is no difference in terms of how people are treated or the the opportunities for people to who have access to everything that community provides like it should be provided for everyone and you say provide for everyone? Regardless of traditional religious beliefs mies political elites et CETERA. Anything yeah that you start. And that's a big thing here from words they you start with people's humanity and that's that's that's it like if they air human being than we treat them with love and respect and regardless of anything and the board that hired you. What's what's there background were? They is a a part of a religious tradition and and if so or from the community role or how. How did that setup? There are people from the community as well as local church congregations. And this is where it ties into me. Being an ordained Presbyterian pastor this thing was started by the Presbyterian Denomination Presbyterian Church USA and a a had back in the fifties purchased this property I think in nineteen fifty two or nineteen fifty-three used to be a home There was here with a field. Oh behind it again. When cal poly was much smaller and there wasn't as much development around it and since that time there has been some sort of I would say pastoral religious presence that they hired a person to be on site here in two thousand and four? That's when we say front porch started they developed this idea to create this current space again. They didn't picture being what it is today when they hired me they were hiring that continuing that line of pastoral the presence now I came along and kind of said. Hey why don't we shift division. Why don't we really shift what this is about? And so this stops being about creating a safe a place for students for Christian students while they're at a state school. Why don't we create a space that says no every single person who walked by these doors or who is in this college community because again is it is very much geared towards college students and we hear very upfront with that we are loving and accepting of everyone but front? Porch is very much for the college population. And that's your serving and we're probably about twenty feet right from the from the campus. Our goal six years ago when I started was that every single student at cal poly would know that they were welcome in this place and that this wasn't just a religious place that this wasn't just a place that was for Christians but it was a place for everyone regardless of religion race. Ethnicity sexual orientation anything that it was open to everyone and we our listeners will know from last season that we were in many different types of coffee stores some the definitely had a religious bent and had a very overt religious spent in some. That did not some that had no outward signs of evangelization or recruitment. And I think this falls into to that category certainly haven't seen any overt signs of anything in fact I would have not known the sponsorship unless we had talked about it. How exactly then does does your vision that you had when you started translate to what it looks like now? And then how you're implementing that vision of continued you'd faith and your journey. That led you here. I think what board members would have said seven years ago when they hired me was that we really put it. They they want people to this is their I think their language to meet Jesus or to come to faith in the Christian tradition. If we're going to say hey. This is a space for people to have free coffee and to be into to be themselves. Then first and foremost people got to know that it exists and they gotta know That they are all welcome here and we don't shy away from the the. I guess the foundation that I would say we have in terms of our faith tradition When I say that this place is very much again it's not written anywhere on In this facility. But I'd say that it's very much based upon the teachings in the principles of Jesus yes and I say that even when we're GONNA have a meal tonight where we serve about three hundred students a free meal and I don't preach or anything like that but I do occasionally say say on a Wednesday night that the reason that we do this is because Some of US follow Jesus and that lead this place That are the staff of this place and for us. What's important about that are the teachings to love all people to be inclusive of all people to be kind and caring to be Someone on who puts others needs above their own to be people that create community versus building. Walls that separate people from one another and so I think in terms of where are the Christian faith tradition. Now kind of comes through in front. Porch is very much through our actions. So it's not necessarily our words not anything that we're going to necessarily say and but it's US meeting students where they're at with love and kindness s and even at the meals now are you. Are you asking people to pray at the meals. If there if I if that's the case prior to it or as far as recruitment into the fate is there anything that takes place. In that regard no I think so many college ministries churches in general ideas about that. It's about getting getting more people to be a part of your faith tradition and for us. We are strong in our faith tradition. But we're not worried about that or concerned about that. It's going back to starting with people's humanity. It's just US wanting to believe that that people matter and their stories matter and the moments that we have with them matter so us observing those and creating a space where all of that can happen and then creating a staff and having volunteer team of one hundred and one hundred and forty volunteers. How do you keep this going? Yeah and so. It's it's having a team of a staff of five who are very committed and and the five of us here every day. We have different roles. Some of US are more in terms of fundraising. Some of US Me As the director of the overall vision and Macaire of the staff and again talking with donors and meeting with people and telling the story of Front Porch get people excited about it and painted I would say paying attention to what's going. Lean on because so much of what happens in the magic. I would say a front porch is the things that aren't planned. We do have planned events that happened in that kind of goes back to your previous question about where our our faith tradition kind of comes through. We have what we call a a gathering on Saturday evenings that I would say is if anything that we do who is More along kind of what I grew up with. In terms of the Christian faith tradition. It would be that Saturday evening more traditional type. Yeah I give or someone gives some mm sort of message had be something that is open to everyone less if someone preteen more of asking questions and having each person who comes on that evening know that what they had to say. In their opinion it matters. And it's not like just because you are a part of this faith tradition or you're not a part of any faith tradition It doesn't invalidate your story or your opinions your opinions matter and they they affect this community and we want them and you can Stephanie. Sing all are welcome and mean it. Yes okay so clearly you walk the walk and then the goal is to say okay. We're walking the walk. You WanNA follow us. Go ahead and that's how you get your volunteers tares. We say that we create a space that is open to genuine relationships. happening and sharing life together through radical inclusivity and and people get to be involved in that as much as they want to be and so really. That's one of the beauties of front porches that so many different things to so many different people for there's some people I would say there's some people who are really religious that would almost consider front porch their their their church in a way which is funny going back to what I originally had this. This plan in my life early on back in high school I wanted to do But for other people it's simply a place to go on on a Wednesday morning to grab a cup of coffee eighty and so it's an. It's grabbing their cup of coffee and it's leaving for others other people it's a place to study For people to come get a meal and share a meal and community on Wednesday for some people. It's something that they're really going to invest in and it'd be something that they believe in volunteer so we've never in my entire time here. We've never had a problem. I'm getting volunteers. There's people every single day that say hey. Can I volunteer. Like how do I. How do I get to be a part of this? It's currently at about one hundred and forty students and and there every single day. They're making coffee. They're serving coffee there. Helping people learn how to use the espresso machine because I spent machine. We don't have a Barista People can go up to a news it we just want to make sure they know how to use the not hurting themselves or machine that actually. You're you're doing your own interview here because that was my next question. Russian is how do you train the Baristas here. And then how do you work the shifts and all that sort of stuff but obviously you have more than enough volunteers. And they're here because they want to support the mission is what you're telling me as far as this space is that right. Yeah they've most of them have been a part of it in some way or another whether that's they've been a part of it for a day and they're like wow how could it be a part of this thing or they've been a part of it for a year or two and they've been like I I really feel like I want to get back to this now and our volunteer base are not the part of one singular faith tradition. There are part of multiple faith traditions. ecumenical coffee store. Yes or no. They took all eighth years or agnostic. Whatever like And there's no better. We could care less about I shouldn't say we could care less. We do care here because we care about their story and who they are. What makes them them? But there's no stipulation that they're a part of that they believe this or this or this volunteer. Their only stipulation is that they believe and this idea that every person and every moment matters significantly and we want our volunteers to be people who pay attention to those moments And those people and and this idea of being present in a space And just looking an opening your eyes to see what's going on because there's so much going on and there's so much that we just don't pay attention to and there's moments to connect with people that we just ignore and front porch provides a very fertile ground for connection. I would say that's one of the things that people love the most about front porch and that's one of the things that cal poly students are even beginning to say that we over the past five or six years ars is that they're the most significant part of their this blows. It still blows me away. But the most significant part of their time at CAL Poly University. was there time being apart front porch. How cool is that? What is the Do you have any idea what the percentages of people of faith versus agnostic atheist etc.. I would still say we're more heavily on the side of people of some sort of faith background. And I I don't know exactly what that percentage is but still the overall opinion of people who've been here at cal poly is that this was a place of I liked it your phrase and I'm GonNa Steal it radical inclusivity and I'm wondering if you have a story that you could share about how you saw that transformed here over the last few years. Here's I think of this one student in particular he just graduated this past quarter and I remember when I first met him. He's like I feel a little guilty about Tanya this but I've been coming here and I know it's kind of like a maybe a religious place or some sort of but I I've just been coming. I'm here for free coffee and I said to him. I that's amazing. I love that you're coming here. You don't need to feel guilty about that. And he kept coming started getting involved on Wednesday nights and coming to our dinners and then he would start coming into different events that we have throughout the week we have. We have open MIC nights regularly. We have camping trips. Start to come to all these things. There was one event in particular and he loved. He tells the story but where I came up to him at a Wednesday night dinner. And we're standing actually right here Rail Center Front doors and I put he. He tells the story. I didn't even recall the event. And that's what's so crazy about from Portugal. There's so these things ah for me. Sometimes I don't even think that they have much depth there meaning but I he tells me that I put my arm around him and just said Eric. I'm really glad that you're here. And and he talks about that moment as being a transformational moment in his life where he was struggling with different things in his life and struggling with depression. Shannon's struggling with The college experience as a whole and that changed his life again. He kept telling ME IS I. I'm still not religious. I'm nate theus. I don't Care Eric. It's great that you're here and he then started coming to our gatherings on Saturday evenings. That were much more again geared towards like a religious type things but he came to them for two years straight an example of us just opening our doors and opening our hearts. It's two people and their stories and saying that Eric your story matters. Another person was he's the head of the Muslim Student Association here on campus and he is heavily involved one of our primary volunteers And this was the most touching things for me. He came to me one day and My Office is on the side of this wall and I was just sitting there alone. But my door's always open. Students can just come in and talk to me and he says Joe. Would you mind if I prayed in your office and needed to do his daily prayers and I said Oh sure like all close computer and I'll I'll pack up and go like you can use my office and he's like No. You're fine to stay in here but I is it. Okay if I pray. And so he e clear some space in my office and he knelt down and he prayed and I tell you it is one of the most moving. I don't even know how to describe it. Like moving gene sacred beautiful moments where This Muslim student. In what is a Christian uh essentially faith-based place came and felt comfortable enough to ask the director of this place to pray in his office and he's been a regular part of this community. Joel wheat the roadshow. Believe that everybody has a story to tell. I'm wondering if you could tell me about a turning point or a a a pivotal point in your life. That maybe have has changed things around for me when I was in the youngest three boys and when I was in second grade and I remember what my the middle brother Jeremy Coming home from a Golf Tournament with my dad my dad liked to golf and he my brother Jeremy would go caddy Addi within and complain about something on the bottom of his foot and then over the series of the next couple of months my brother going to different doctors and no one really knows what's going on eventually them coming to realize that he had a form of cancer called Sarcoma. That kinda begins in the muscular part of the body and then goes from there. It's over the course of the next six years so pretty much from pretty much my childhood from second grade until seventh grade my brother was in and out of the hospital. Battling battling cancer so I was thirteen when he passed away and he was seventeen. It's just affected me a lot of different ways. I think from a very early age realizing what was really important in life and that life is short and we have no idea how long we have and it can can be taken from us in a moment every single day. He didn't know how long he hadn't so he poured everything he had into each day. And I think from a very early age this idea of moments mattering and then having significant way to them because we don't know how many moments we have that sunk in from a very early age. I think in our culture death is something that is very much not dealt with well. There's other cultures who deal with death. I think in a lot better ways days. We do everything we can to make people. Even if they're not a great Life experience to prolong their life as long as as possible because death is like the the worst thing imaginable for us and even how we talk about death. Don't say people died or things like that we say people passed away okay or moved on or went to a better place and so I think from a very young age. Death was something that I had to confront. Now you're dealing with a younger population deletion here. But I'm still certain you're dealing with some components of illness or death or that sort of thing here as well if you could define that again. It was another one of those experiences. It was a life changing experience for three months. I was one of seven chaplains at a hospital and it wasn't like we were yes. We were training to chaplains but the minute we stepped into the hospital. The program that we were in the hospital staff all the doctors nurses everyone consider us the chaplain and so if something was going wrong we were the person and it wasn't for a particular faith tradition It was you're being trained to provide a comforting presents for people in the midst of horrific situations. I can think of one situation a mom in her forties who Who had two young daughters in high school and had a brain aneurysm? And it's like sudden thing and I'm called in to enter into the middle of that. Their mom has moments left to live. I'm on call all and so I wake up in the middle of the night I rushed to the hospital. I'm greeted by the hospital staff. They quickly tell me what's going on and here I am with these two high school cool daughters and some other family members and I'm supposed to be the comforting presence and it's like it's something that I think every single person I tell oftentimes students when I talk about my chaplaincy experience. I really feel that it's something that every single human being should have to do. We had I'M GONNA continue story in a second but we had a public defender. WHO said the exact same thing? Two days ago you want somebody to be sitting being on your shoulder as a chaplain to experience what you have to be able to help to be able to understand it and and define that a little bit for me. If you I think just to be able to understand the human experience better and to be able to enter into it and to realize that it's not in that in situations like that it's not about what you say A it's not about anything that you do earn credentials that you have I. It was simply that was another human being there it was able to enter into the presence and experience of another human being and that alone was enough for those people and they even came came back to me months later and said how significant was and I'm like significant. I didn't know what to say. I was young and I had no clue I had no training. This was early on in my chaplaincy. All I did was sit there with you and cry with you and hold hands and be with you as your mother took her last breath and I think that's for me where I understood how much our presence as human beings matters and I think so often we think in life that so many any other things are the things that that really matter like what. We're not to say that what we do in life doesn't matter but I think if more human beings understood that the mere your presence of them the fact that they're alive and breathing that they just understood that a basic level than world it'd be such a better place and that their life mattered and I don't think people understand that. They think that they have to do more or say more or like earn more. And it's like yes. Sometimes those things can be important but what really matters is that you understand that your presence matters and again. That's what we do here at front. Porch is trying to teach people that their presence matters. I was GONNA transition right to the edge and but it clearly you are then the rock and then the ripples. We don't even know where they end up doing. No and that's again. I think a lot of times in a in a ministry typesetting people WanNa know like how things unfold the rest of the story the rest of the story and we don't get that we. Sometimes we get that on a rare occasion. I'd say the majority of the time we don't get that. There's the people who had influences on my life have died and they never knew the impact they had on my life but they had a profound impact and sometimes those things could have been very simple. Like with the Eric of arm around me and telling me it was going to be okay or that. They were glad that I was there but none of those people have no idea how much influence saloons they had on me to get me to where I'm at today. All of your experiences have led you to this position today. Correct correct and I even think about like the faith stuff and how my faith has changed and how I still consider myself a part of the church as a whole it just looks vastly different. And I don't WanNa say that actually does the church consider you part of it. That's a real question they do and thankfully I'm part of Denomination that tends to be more progressive. There's many other denominations that are not very progressive. And so that's been great to be a part of a denomination that has vision. That's willing to change and adapt and see that things are changing and people are changing in the way that people think about things Is Okay and and as adapt can change goes I WANNA get to a couple of questions about the coffee Where do you get your coffee? is donated supplied purchased. And and. Then where do you get. Your donations are the large small church-based traditional organization based Yes in terms of where we get our coffee used the just purchase it at Costco still purchase. A lot of our stuff on a daily basis but coffee has changed which has been great Because we were spending a lot of money just buying coffee and and we had a student who came through here a couple of years ago. She still lives in the community but her Stepdad ran a distribution center for a a coffee and food and snacks and anything that like major campuses like facebook. Google yelp things like that would did need at their large campuses and so we came across this and students says hey I have. My Dad has access to a lot of coffee and they have trouble will getting rid of free coffee And now I've developed a great relationship with this individual. I go up once a quarter of the beginning of each quarter and kind of estimate how much I think. We'll have which which is essentially like a pallet worth of coffee houses and because again this is high end coffee. It's not cheap. Costs is not your bargain-basement red candice is the good stuff. And so I go up each quarter and get close to thirty to forty thousand dollars worth of coffee. And I'm so grateful for I don't know how long the relationship's GonNa last and how off and how much they can continue to do this but currently that's how we get all of our coffee. Coffee store components is is music but I it didn't hear music when I went in. Is Music Part of the coffee store here. Or is that Morbid distraction. Now we do have music currently. That's one of the things that actually just wrote a proposal to to one one of our donors because we have this little teeny stereo system of front. Ideally it's supposed to be turned on in the morning and it's just set to some radio station and it is supposed to be playing music in our in. I would what I would call kind of the the central hub of the coffee shop. which is that main room where the coffee is served which kind of functions more like your typical? I would say coffee shop. That's kind of the on a given day. That's kind of like if you were to walk into some coffee shop. That would divide the rest of the coffee shop. Has Different rooms have different vibes. I would say a two upstairs I would say is very much more quiet. That's there's kind of the expectation that if you're upstairs it's more serious. You're kind of being quiet but it's assumed because because there are no signs that I saw everybody seems to just know what rules to foul. Yeah and people just come in and figure it out and we as a staff kind of help people figure it out if they have questions questions but music is something that is played here in regular basis is specifically tonight. We'll have a ton of people packed in this place and and the music will be louder sometimes live music even on Wednesay mentions open mic nights. You Mike Nights on a regular basis where we and that's all from the community the We're all so many of these students have hold these amazing talents of singing and spoken word and instruments and stand up comedy the and like amazing to see the talent that exists and they often don't have the outlet to be able to share that with others and so to create a space space for college students where they have a safe place to be able to to try out some of these talents that they have. I'm going to put you on the spot. Now do you have a favorite favorite musician artist group or song that you could share with us currently bone avair is one of my favorite. They're right up the road from US really their fate. My favorite song that they do eight circle and and when I play that song and I've tried to describe to people in some sense to be completely gosh. I don't even know what the song is really about. But when I listened to that song or something deep inside me that resonates with it and my oldest brother Josh. His favorite band was youtube. And so I remember. He drove me to school. And I just remember that just pumping and so I think more more nostalgic was is that but I followed them. I love their concerts. I think one of the reasons I love you too is. They have been almost kind of like my experience. They have some sort of faith that they grew up in the Catholic faith tradition. But it was. There's always more to it for them. So there is a spiritual component to many of their songs. I would say but for them. It's just about creating good music that connects with so many different people. And I think that's one of the reasons why I have loved what they do and coffee. Stars are also about Reading and books now your coffee store here. I have not seen many people doing a pleasure reading because I think most of them are here studying but for you. Do you have a favorite book that you've had it doesn't have to be recent me anyone that you've read through your life that you'd also like to share again. I studied theology and my favorite theologian was a guy by the name of Dietrich. Bon hoffer who was a theologian in the midst of Nazi Germany during World War? Two and what. I always appreciate it about him and loved about what he wrote was the I feel like so many different theologians. The theology that they write is almost. It's like this abstract thing. It's something that's out there and not necessarily something that's practically lived out on a day to day basis and one of the primary ideas says that dietrich bond hoffer about time and time again was this idea of being in solidarity with other people so he had the option to to leave Germany and to go to the US. In fact right before World War Two and the Nazi regime really took over. He had the opportunity to into move to the US and he said No. Like I'm I'm going back and I want to be with my people and I need to live in solidarity within Dan how could I how could I call myself. One A Christian. How could I call myself a decent human being if I was to just abandon these people and leave and so he entered back back into Germany and he created a community and then he started writing about it? One of the books he wrote was called life together which is actually the tagline of front porch coach idea of sharing life together. And that. That's what it's about entering into solidarity with people looking them in the eye in the midst of whatever it it is that they're going through and saying I'm not going anywhere I'm going to sit with you in the midst of this even if it means dying with you and he eventually executed by the Nazi regime I life has been shaped I would say by many of his writings. There's another Book called Love Wins by Guy by the name of Rob Bell and I would say rob bell is a author who is transformed my life He's someone who again grew up in the church but The experience that he had grown up in the church was not something that lasted a. He was a pastor of a mega church. And then like you. You know what I don't feel like this is what it's all about. There's something more so he wrote. This book called Love Wins. That was actually create a lot of controversy within some of the circles that I grew up been and people thought he was a heretic and people. Flat you can't read this book if you read this book it's bad bad news and it's a book. Ah We call it whether you want to call it God whether you want to call it the greatest the greater power in the universe where you want to call it love that that is the the thing that is most important. That is the thing that is driving all of all of this the world towards something better and I truly believe that I believe that we are moving towards something better and I'm hopeful that we're moving towards something better because I don't have that and it's like well what am I doing I WANNA be hopeful that that all of this all all of humanity is moving towards something better Joel. I want to thank you so much for this interview in and I can certainly save from what I've seen so far and from this interview you love wins thank you thank you And now for the travelogue taken away San Luis Obispo we left Santa Barbara and traveled ninety five miles of the coast to our next destination. San Luis Obispo one of the oldest communities in California. Here you'll discover cover not only a mixture of beach culture and city life but some of the country's best farmland wondering if Wisconsin would agree with this. I'm wondering if we also want to talk about the drive. The drive between Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo or slow was beautiful and we are just a little ways as I recall from the hearst castle in Esau pronounce slow by the locals. You will find California's fifth oldest vision walking through this mission is it's like taking a step back in time. Now jump to the president and Stroll Down Bubblegum Alley. This nearly hidden gem is between broad and garden the streets diagonally. Yeah you know. That's what I thought talk about. Legally sanctioned graffiti back in the seventies people begin sticking their globs of chewed. Dude Gum to the seventy foot. Long Ellie how attractive. Oh it is. It's very colorful so chew some gum take your camera and walked down Bubblegum Gum. Ellie don't forget to deposit your ABC gum on the walls before you leave. What if I have? CBS or NBC. WHAT IS ABC gum? ABC GAM for those. Who aren't in the know already been chewed? Get it whether you are a tourist. Just passing through grab some waves shop up. The iconic downtown go to the farmer's market stroll the mission or dine at the mouth watering restaurants and don't forget to pop some gum in your mouth and deposited it bubble gum alley ruling America traveling. America's Cup of Coffee Shop John All just reminding you that this podcast is completely self funded so far but we are actively looking for a single sponsor sir or group of sponsors to help us keep it going if you listen to enjoy our show and know anyone interested in sponsoring podcast about great coffee independent Ed. Coffee Stores and wonderful human interest stories lease backed us at cross country. COFFEE ROADSHOW DOT COM Thank you for listening to this week's episode of the Cross Country Coffee Roadshow Join US next week when we're back back in beautiful slow next week we're going to be back in the same place Front Porch Cal Poly Tech San and we should baseball. I'm going back to school. They're metoo they won't have me. Don't have anybody to take. 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"Uh-huh Sheriff's Department stated that they are attempting to locate the teen but say that they have no leads there were several unconfirmed sightings of a lease again reported her missing to the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's department her Parents David and Lisa an reported that the teen was last seen she's Caucasian was shoulder length blond hair and blue eyes in the coming weeks and months the local TV news and newspapers remind the public of the missing team adding that family and friends had not seen nor heard from elise since the night of July twenty second our family's home when she left for unknown reasons elise was described as five feet seven inches tall about one hundred and twenty pounds. ooh It's good to be seen as good to see you thanks for listening thanks for town of Friends this week's beer fund and captain everybody knows that they can follow us on social media so followed the crispy colonel on untapped and everybody knows that we have shirts `Grande California on Sunday July twenty third nineteen ninety-five the parents of fifteen year old lease polar beer. Let's talk some true crime a royal welcome to tram garage wherever you are whatever you were doing thanks for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man that knows that the only thing these are unconfirmed the sheriff's department theorize she is still in the area possibly in South San Luis Obispo County area this week we are featuring quilters Irish death by Ironhorse brewery this is a fantastic halloween beer this is a dark smooth Ale the iron horse lovingly refers to as Beer Candy ABC seven point eight percent garage grade four and a quarter bottle caps out of five and this week's fear was awesome merch on our store page damn shirt people at the website so that is enough of the business all right everybody grab you share grabby Courtney who says she's working the corner down in Jonesboro Tennessee and next we have a Laura and rent solar I hope I said that right that's right and they're in New York cooler than being cool is ice cold he is the captain he and I know you think your Shit don't stink of Lena low closer roses really smell like poop who three of hope the caller said at least might call home on Christmas Day December Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-five Christmas Day the polar that call never came in January of Nineteen ninety-six after release was missing for over five months now as Christmas approached a tip came in the tips are stated that a lease was alive and traveling with a carnival in Colorado this tip included a real in fact she was she was the first friend of the show so so cheer Sir and cheers to all my homies that went to true crime garage dot com and contributed and last but certainly not least a big happy Halloween a big thank you for all that you do to Arabia down in Florida Arabia is a longtime friend of our show have Lynda Laurence who is pitching in on the beer fund every month so a big thank you to you Linda a big shouts robber in South San Francisco next we have to rank bringing them the message had hoped and prayed for for months a call home from a lease saying she was all right and she was no longer missing family gathered as usual for a big traditional Christmas dinner loved ones had presents under the tree for a lease they waited all day for the telephone enclosing Nanna rights we can work it out you can stay here with me until you want to go elsewhere please and I love you everyone is very worried and heartbroken because we don't know how you are if you are happy warm well fed and healthy please just call me so we know you are alive. Her grandmother a lease who's grandkids called her Nanna made a public plea for her granddaughter to return home or at least to reach out and Munich eight with her family in a letter released in several newspapers Nanna addressed the letter to my dearest alise writing I miss you Elise Paula was born April twenty four route to buy these little trick or treaters right here first up we have Jenny and San Mateo California in a big way like Chips Jessica and Bria Kentucky next week left home for unknown reasons and then she was missing for days weeks and then months as we almost always see in these cases the parents North nineteen eighty two parents David and Lisa Ann she would be the oldest of four children her siblings are sisters Jennifer and Christina and her brother Ryan this was a happy big family who loved one another and looked after each other the family was active in their church and in their community association's junior singles tournament in the summer of Nineteen ninety-five a lease was maturing now eight fifteen hanging out with other high schools kids of course and like most situations Elisa's parents knew most of Lisa's friends and schoolmates but not all of them as we said in the Elise excelled at a very early age at painting and she was said to be a very gifted person in the arts this would continue throughout her life and in nineteen ninety two at the age of twelve at least finished I took the girls beginners title at the Napoletano tennis of the missing teenager in the sheriff's department have differing opinions and theories as to what exactly has taken place the parents always fear the absolute I and law enforcement has to look at the known facts of the situation any possible leads and let those circumstances lead their theories and opinions some more detailed information would eventually come out in this case and I think from this story and the information the Taylor Elise was last seen at her home on the night of July twenty second reported missing the next morning by her parents the early reports state that at least movie with her family when she received a telephone call from a friend at about ten PM Walter said when a lease received a second phone call a few minutes late her Walter said she abruptly told her parents she was tired and was going to bed she said I love you and I'm going to bed the phone call Walter concerned because there are two phone calls that they are aware of that came into the house just before she may have left on her own you know everybody Walter and it was reported in the Santa Maria Times newspaper and the report says the night she disappeared at least had been watching him we have these unconfirmed sightings of her elsewhere so police are looking at this going well she might have snuck out in the middle of night she a short time later found pillows had been stuffed under the blankets to make it appear that at least was present Walter who has spent returned the next day by dawn when she didn't return home by the morning of July twenty third at Lisa's father called the sheriff's department she was as her parents say in grandmother says running around with the with a bad crowd at that time in her life and comes out you can possibly see why there was a difference in opinion here the story that comes out and this is from Elisa's grandmother a lease though her father checked to make sure a lease was okay after she went to bed a second check by one of Lisa's two sisters so this is where I think we're seeing the difference of opinions as far as the sheriff's department is concerned and her family is concerned right the family patient of the of the door itself but or or if the French door was just quieter when it would open and close but that was my door of choice for sneaky this time she may have just run away and now we're seeing we have these sightings of her elsewhere now the only issue I take with that is ed flag that I have here is when we said law enforcement has to follow the leads has to take the known information the known facts and come up with an opinion there what we don't know but it appears that she left on her own to it's already reported the that she has left the home several times before snuck out in the middle of the night hanging out was the French door yeah so to safety note if you have French doors make sure that you have some other locking system on them then what separate people that called right and if they did know this information I'm assuming giving their fears that they stated early on we were fearing the worst a fifteen year old blonde high school kid bright I mean the diamond does right it would be easy to to to wonder did they. In fact no the boy's name or how much information did they know about this person that called and was it the same person that called twice that night or blankets to appear that somebody's sleeping in the bed but the family is concerned about the phone calls and that she didn't come home the I think that she is no longer with them I I believe that is coming from some kind of maternal instinct gut feeling maybe not so much evidence but also as parents in as law enforcement you have to go but what are these calls so the easiest to sneak out of our the well I I don't know my home growing up what well one of the homes that I grew up in I don't know if it was the lowest house and she was not as close to the other rooms okay and for whatever reason they keep and almost every report leave you are seeing her somewhere in these are as said unconfirmed sightings now there's there's a lot of reports that she had a French door she lived in a pretty big hey come hang out with us come party with us is this a way to get her out of the house so I don't know exactly what activities of the sheriff's Department on the other end they're concerned about a couple of things one it appears that a lease left the home on her own right to go off and do saying we saw a blonde girl matching the description of the missing teen at a convenience store or at a store in this area and talking about these sightings are actually in the same county right in which she was living so this seems plausible I don't I don't know why and I don't mean to laugh because auto yeah super bizarre number one and like when when I'm finding information and looking for information of this story and they were fearing that she was murdered even when we have the sightings come in they still publicly stated that that was their fear and Lisa's her parents would have been aware of you know what she was up to when she was not at home but it seems to me that the big question mark the past eight months searching for clues to the whereabouts of her granddaughter said Elise had snuck out of the House a few times prior to her disappearance but had always it comes with them I also think as far as the family goes with their gut feeling when she's missing in the fact that uh-huh and what is the motivation are these just calls that have nothing to do with the fact that she left the house or are these individuals are Smith's Day there was some kind of hint of hope that they were going to receive a call from their missing daughter right and of course we know that that day this is a tragic story that we have to tell today mass but the the the story of she's alive in traveling with a carnival in Colorado was the old trick we've seen it in the prison escape movies we've seen kids do it in movies where you stuff a couple of pillows or stuffed animals underneath the the sheets they talk about how the she had French doors not that has French doors they're the easiest doors to break into their own where it seems like the family has some general knowledge of the person that called the home this doesn't seem to be like they're just like on assume there's no foul play and that causes them to do less work in general or they believe some of the sightings that are coming in right the the the troubling you said was from a boy who had been suspended from oral `Grande High School in March of nineteen ninety five after a least told officials the boy had sold drugs wonder again I think that's just a gut feeling a yeah yeah and we see this where parents feared the worst and law enforcement tries to keep a level head about it out of that home and into a location where he could abduct her the tricky thing here is your most hope is probably coming at Christmas time thing though is look her at least parents publicly state that they believe someone the caller the boy on the phone song right now and you can't explain that now I understand some of these sightings because a lot of these sightings are like very loosey Goosey where there's I I think she's still with us because they're hopeful well sometimes hopeful but sometimes their gut feeling tell him that their child is not a pass so sad when you review this information and you even if the parents are the family did not believe that there was a chance of this happening it's still sad to read the on Chris and Lord her out of the home that night and that the caller then is very likely the one responsible for why she never came home after that are has passed on now there's no evidence of that but I also wonder if this is a tactic by law enforcement to go hey there's no evidence that there's foul play where to that she left to go to La right because she to be a movie stop yet she I guess there was some rumors that she wanted to be an actress yeah it's just even though she's already been missing for a few months we know that that call the call that they were hoping for did not come in and that is when really I feel that the panic truly set in in this case and big time for the family because it's been months since anyone is last seen and now her but in that same letter she praised the sheriff's department for all of their hard work and maybe she believed some of the unconfirmed sightings out there as well yeah or possibly and so they were very public about this I mean hell we spent all of last week discussing a case where someone called the home of a youngster and lured her Russian of that letter in the trailer I can't say for certain which theory the grandmother was going with because I'm sure she was on board with the family nation unfortunately there were in fact no real leads in this thing giving law enforcement almost nothing to work with but this was and now the hope is drying up her grandmother makes that very public plea on the news and in the newspapers in January of Nineteen Ninety six and we heard pretty safe area fairly and you'll hear the people and read the people in the area talking about that area kind of changing of this case tracking down our own leads I come across that and then I have to like double check the year of the story because I'm like right this was one thousand nine hundred he has an almost unbelievable story to tell this is seventeen year old Royce Casey Royce said a couple he came and went without any communication from a lease to her family at all or my frustration with this is the idea that the family is saying that we think are dot happen with this investigation that nothing was going to happen in the search for this young woman something strange happened this is on during the nineties there was a bad element to the area let's say right but almost when you thought nothing was going to happen yeah and we didn't read the entire letter written to her missing granddaughter but but from top to bottom it's a plea for a least to call the phone rang twice in my buddy right because they're giving a little bit of a description of a boy who was suspended from school we know that it was a boy you have to all of his friends knew the missing girl then Royce explained that he and those friends murdered elise polar now Dan with dark brown hair flowing halfway down his back he he's a thin young man five foot ten inch frame he walks into the sheriff's department and He March Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety six so after fifteen year old ilise polar had gone missing vanished into the night was missing for months a young mile from where at least had lived there sure enough just as the boy had said they found a badly decomposed body all or to come home right so other than these unconfirmed sightings and the rumours there was really not a whole lot going on with this investigation certain if the boy was telling the truth the detectives asked him if he knew where the girl's body was located he said he did they asked murder mystery subscription box that immerses you an ongoing detective experience with ever deliver you'll sift through elaborate case files in evidence hunt AAC killer is 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Dot Fab the fun mate's cheers to you captain happy Halloween to everybody out there make sure you check your candy make sure you still some candy from your kids if you want more true crime acquaintances Jacob Dullish Moot Joseph Fiorella and Royce Casey the perpetrators apparently returned to the corpse and had sex with you know that it seems like they should have had some search parties or something and they should have found her body way before this yes so into publicly in fact the the boy that confessed he's not named publicly for a couple of days as well but what we end up learning is that fifteen really charge anyone with any type of crime there will be some kind of details that come out that day and that the public is going to be shocked because they have this teenager who has the story to tell the that me and some friends killed this teenage girl so they are your old elise polars body was discovered about a quarter mile from her home she had been raped and murdered there left there eight months earlier by onto my mother then she loves me to my sister than she loves me US our coupon code garage for ten dollars off your first box at to be w w after the identification is made the information that comes out now mind you at first the suspect or suspects will not be named what they hear so he's aware of some of the confession right let's call it that right some of my issue though she's found within a quarter mile of her house papers stating they've found lease our fears were confirmed right but he also says to them the seven and a half years seven and a half and drinking beer in the garage he had a very high pitched voice shameful sounds like nick's voice now with a on several occasions the body was located after Royce Casey confessed to the crime following his conversion to Christianity so Royce Casey who had become a strange from his one time friends Joseph and Jacob he approached law enforcement officials and me at least two acquaintances of the murder itself but their tails were dismissed as a fabrication that these people they heard what these boys had these young men they they're bragging about probably the grossest most disturbing part of this whole situation right but these grove so she wasn't far from home but she was well concealed the the confession his belt while Joseph Fiorella stabbed her in the neck with a hunting knife and Casey Royce Casey held her hands and arms states that the group got together and smoked marijuana after which we have delicate reportedly strangled a lease with later said Fiorella mother told them her son Said Royce and Casey had engaged in sex with the body and one of Jacob's friends testified that he he bragged about returning to the corpse often saying to have sex with it yeah I I actually nick pathologist who examined the body testified later in court that none of the twelve stab wounds were in fact fatal which indicated the elite was not upfront about the acts of necrophilia that he was doing brain and that's where you see a unique situation where died by slowly bleeding to death right authorities said that the three had engaged in sexual intercourse with the girl's corpse invested three disturbed individuals anyways disturbed individuals and young individuals right you know they the three youths altogether apparently told weird to hear this I mean we know that when we covered Ted Bundy in some other cases as well that even when Ted admitted to a lot of what he did he asie he tells law enforcement that not only did we kill her but we attempted to do so on a previous occasion right he ori as said sounded unbelievable apparently though polars killing had been plotted once before and this is according to Royce case in is going to have to offer up more details than just that right so what we would learn is that Royce to have three individuals do this that sounded unbelievable to me but the fact that then you were telling me well no it's we I believe this at at I think in this is a very sick crime one to to kill you say you know friends of theirs or so called Friends of theirs right and they're like yeah we didn't tell anybody because we just thought these idiots were lying right the with for a fact that they kept coming back to the corpse so that made it make more sense yeah and the thing here too is as you said this this is weird then Casey and delicate then took turns stabbing the girl I believe she was stabbed twelve times you're exactly right the forensic he said that on on this one occasion Joseph Fiorella and Jakup Dallas Moot had tried to carry out this plan kill at least taller in this plot which ended up being similar to the one that led to the girl's death Casey told investigators the trio enticed taller from her home and got her to walk to a spot on the Mesa where there was a steep ravine and at the anybody's a sick crime but to then come back to the corpse and have sex with it that and less your raping the corpse but oh Joseph Fiorella then pulls out a knife he tosses it to this is another individual that actually was not involved in the killing of location one of the boys pretended to slip down the ravine as a ruse to try to get at least taller to walk down to the bottom of this ravine right now apparently she didn't do what they needed her to do for this plot to be carried out but even so he does not do it and Casey Royce Casey tells law enforcement this sounds weird that we're telling you the story of of anything and the other teen boys are shouting out do it do it you know they're trying to get him to initiate the attack on a lease in her murder right now the other teen remember he throws his knife to this other guy that other teen he kind of panicked and he just stood there he didn't he didn't do elise polar but this knife the the Joseph Fiorella pulls out on this occasion ends up being the same one that would later be used part of a band right the ban was called hatred now which which gives you an idea of what kind of music probably just thought we were goofing around right she didn't she wasn't aware we didn't state what we intended to do that day she didn't really believe that there was any threat there these are teenagers getting high and act like goof balls and she probably just assumed that they were just idiots and they were goofing around on these idiots were we're playing and probably at what at what talent level they were probably playing this museum I think it's funny I heard a couple people one report have any real music half of the people that are supposed to be this band don't have any instruments or equipment but I guess based off the confession he he did you know another a failed attempt I guess brain at her murder while then why would she leave the house and go out with you and he told law enforcement he was she again because of what we know about this murder in these crimes whoa it's not safe for anybody for any of these three to be walking around lean on this say I think that's a good band name I think it's a shitty band name but that's just my hatred we're called that sounds like a very torture to the corpse afterwards this is beyond heinous so the state puts forward to the public some of he heard about it anyways yeah and the whole band thing is important to this case for several reasons look Josephine era was six will be a full confession where you're going to hear in my opinion what would be several motives for this murder and one of it being that they will republicans say look this is how disturbed and this is how messed up these kids are they're they're super violent we don't want them on the streets ever wanted to sacrifice a virgin to the devil to make their band play better to make them get a contract to make them be a say that during some rehearsals I believe during some practices or again that could not be a practice it could just be hanging out at somebody's house in one Eighteen Years Old Royce Casey was eighteen Jacob Della smoot was seventeen the state wanted to try them as adults for their roles in the and hatred the craziness to go professional apparently part of their part of the plea here is one guy with a guitar right but that's kind of where you know this obsession with her kind of began or how ten-year-old twelve year old we're gonna join metal band what are you going to call it hatred well and what I couldn't figure out captain what I was trying to find was how jytte was this band right because when you're in high school everybody knows somebody that's always forming a band that never forms ever pract they never practised the details about the crimes stating the the defendants said that they needed to commit a sacrifice to the devil to give their heavy metal band WanNa this is not going to turn into an old man rant here because as the captain will will vouch for me on I I grew up a big fan of Tara the slayer may have got elevated right to the big four also when you're putting together that tour you got a lineup whoever's feeling and for the acts that they carried out afterwards and the important thing here for the state is they need to present this to the a big band and one of the bands that they idolize was the band slayer bright and anybody this familiar with their music you know what you're getting into and found out in society yeah I mean this is premeditated murder again this is a this is a torturous murder then than the and I think this is some of it is you know The crossroads story Robert overstated and some of them were flatly without any factual support reistating these allegations are intended to inflame public opinion all one hundred percent unfortunately another detail to the confession was the least taller cried out for her mother when again we need these three guys to be tried as adults and fortunately that's what takes place all three of these sixteen seventeen year old pulling to go and by default somebody may become part of the big four I don't think anybody would argue that the other three are the big three we already know that when it comes to murder and other sick acts that these three certainly had no filter they were too young and too dumb to not keep quiet and these I guess they were like satanic or a call chat rooms and the people of the chat rooms were saying well look if you if you now the representation for one of these boys would state that a lot of this a lot of these allegations were grossly what you would call out of metal bands what you would call it death metal I was never into slayer but I certainly for though right she was attacked and she was on the ground praying to God and calling for her mom in these savages just continued to attack her anyway the band play anywhere like there were some other teenagers that seem to be aware of this band by probably just hearing these boys talk about it and boast about it we all three of them are imprisoned and serving twenty six years to life for each one of these so hopefully but none of these eighteen year old they're going to be tried as adults for their roles in the killing and eventually all three of them would plead no contest to her murder way but what we do know is that they pled no contest brain so they're not going to fight the charges basically and Royce Casey he comes forward because he can Johnson gives the crossroad meets the devil signs his soul away and and supposedly these guys were talking in chat rooms about this data prison right but there is that option that could happen I'm not clear though so we get the one guy that confesses yeah was his name again sorry Royce Casey Yeah he's the main guy in this case he comes forward he confesses but it seems like the other two then confess I just WanNa be clear about that did they end up confessing as well I mean it appears that way right it appears that guy has a guitar there because of had you know back in my day I've had band practice like that they were going to go over to GM and you show up and with the body and then one of them at some point I I I don't think it's as simple as that he just found Christianity I also think he bright and this was this was not an easy or short court proceedings but what it led to was a plea of no contest to her murder and would make it sound as though they've confessed on some level Elisa's parents David in Lisa an polar they were italico yeah I mean I don't Wanna I don't WanNa disrespect anybody I never considered
Apr 24, 2020
"Hello and welcome back sort scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Friday April twenty fourth coming up on certain scale daily. Investigators in California have recovered items of interest in how search connected to the nineteen ninety-six disappearance of Kristin smart in Atlanta Georgia. Teenager was shot and killed during an argument with the stepfather. Finally the remains of Jessica. Flora's Chicago mother. Who had been missing for more than year was discovered in Indiana. All this and more coming up on soreness guilty Lou On Wednesday investigators found items of interest while executing search warrant at the home of Paul floor as a person of interest in the case of missing college. Student Kristin smart in a press. Release the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office stated that the search was intended on retrieving specific items of evidence at the La County Home Appall Florez poll. Florez was the last known person to see smart alive. Kristin smart a nineteen year old. Freshmen at the California Polytechnic Institute. In San Luis Obispo disappeared on May Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-six. She was last seen around two. Am near her dorm. After walking back from a FRAT party in the company of several people including Paul Florez Puhl Florus a student at the same college with the last person to be seen in her company that night two days later. Kristen was reported missing by her roommate. The campus police initially believed that Kristin was taking a vacation. They spoke the floors who said that. He saw her heading to her dorm alone. Floors had a black eye which he said that he got from a basketball game. Police didn't search kristen's dorm room until June fifth and did it search flora's until June. Tenth by the time floor removed all the belongings from the room on June nineteenth when detectives reinterviewed Florez. He admitted that he didn't get the black guy from playing basketball but instead from fixing his truck he then ended the interview. Abruptly left the sheriffs office then took over the investigation in July nineteen ninety-six Flora's was identified as a person of interest in the case search warrants were executed at his dorm room at his parents. Home Cadaver dogs were brought in were said to have alerted on the floor floors. His dorm room and to a strict mattress in the decades since flora's has refused to cooperate with the investigation. Pleading the fifth when called to testify in front of Grand Jury Nineteen ninety-six and in one thousand nine hundred seven deposition in two thousand two. Kristen's family headed declared dead in the absence of a body. Her remains have not been founded date. In February of this year police executed a search warrant at floors is home in San Pedro at his parents. Home and onto vintage vehicles. A spokesman for the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office told CNN. The February search led to the more specific warrant executed on Wednesday which was limited to the San Pedro property quote. The search is now concluded and we recovered some items of interest. In this case. We're following up leads. Tips and good investigative work. Flora's was detained for the duration of Wednesday search from seven. Am To ten thirty A. M. and then was permitted to return to his home or next story brings us to Georgia in Atlanta. Man is in custody after allegedly shooting and killing a sixteen year old stepson during a fight about the cove in nineteen quarantine the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports. That thirty two year. Old Bernie Hargrove has been arrested on a felony murder charge in connection with the shooting. Which happened just after midnight on Wednesday officer Steve Avery spokesman for the Atlanta Police Department said that when police arrived at the family's home in south Atlanta quote. The victim's mother told -tective that there had been a dispute earlier in the day when the sixteen year old refuses parents orders to remain at home and comply with the recent shelter in place directives. Later that evening victim returned home and his police told. Wsb News to Atlanta. He kicked in the front door. Which locked and then punched his stepfather. In the face. During that altercation the victim was shod reportedly hargrove fired multiple times and the victims shot in the chest. He was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital where he succumbed to his wounds. The victim's mother and his younger siblings were in the home. At the time of the shooting. Hargrove was questioned overnight and booked jail on Thursday morning Atlanta Police Captain D. Andrea Price told news to Atlanta the courts place additional stress on families quote. When the pressure gets hot. You just have to take a deep breath and you have to separate. People are on top of each other right now. We're staying in the house. After the break. The remains of missing Chicago mother. Jessica Florez were discovered in Gary Indiana now for our final story of the day. The Chicago Sun Times reports of the skeletal remains of thirty six year. Old Jessica floors were discovered on April ninth in wooded area in Gary. Indiana floors was last seen alive on February. Twenty fourth two thousand eighteen per boyfriend. Forty-one-year-old drew Carter. The third was charged with murder last March but the charges were later dismissed. Jessica Flora was last seen in Gary in the company of her friend. Melina Cottrell who went missing at the same time but was discovered safe. One month later floors lived in South Chicago and control us from Gary drew. Carter reported Jessica Flora's missing on February twenty sixth saying he'd last seen her in his two thousand ten Nissan which was supposed to return. After running the plate. Number police officers discovered the card been discovered earlier that day in Chicago abandoned and partially burned. Investigators discovered a large amount of blood in the back seat of the vehicle. And some of Flora's belongings. Were stolen car. Police initially investigated. The disappearances of both Cottrell Florez but found Cottrell alive in March in March of two thousand nineteen drew. Carter was arrested and charged ever an unnamed. Witness told police that they were present. When Carter Killed Florez the witness said they in Carnera sitting in the front of his Nissan while Flora's sat in the back seat Carter asked Florez if he could have sex with a witness and when she refused he shot and killed her. Carter was charged with murder kidnapping and criminal confinement even in the absence of a body just before the case was set to go to trial and September of two thousand eighteen prosecutors requested that the charges be dismissed in order to provide police with more time to analyze the evidence of. Carter's attorneys requested at the time that the judge dismissed the charges with prejudice meaning so that they cannot be refiled but the request was denied. Carter remains in custody on weapons charges stemming from his arrest when US marshals arrested Carter. Who is a convicted felon? He was in possession of firearms another potential witness in the case George Heath who reportedly soft floors and Gary on the night of the twenty four. Th to twenty fifth was found dead in his home in March he'd been shot once in the head. His homicide remains under investigation. Discovery's a mixed bag for floors. This family floors. His mother had been clinging to the hope that her daughter was still alive and it possibly have been kidnapped by human traffickers floors. A sister Manny Perez said. The family was relieved. That Jessica's been found quote. We WanNa thank everyone who came up to help search for my sister Jessica and kept her and prayers. We will not stop until we get justice for my sister per children and my mother deserve this. My sister is now free before we go. We have a couple of updates on cases we've been following our first. Update is on the case of Mamadu Baldi Marine veteran who was killed after being pushed under train in Chicago we previously reported on the arrest of the I suspect in the case eighteen year old Ryan a second suspect nineteen year old for your hodges has been arrested and charged with first degree murder both. Hajjis and men are being held without bail. The incident took place on April seventh on the Red Line Platform. Chicago's Jackson Station. According to the assistant state's attorney James Murphy Twenty Nine Year Old Ball Day who appeared intoxicated approached hodges in mind and converse with them all they had been talking to several people on the platform after turning and walking away from the two he turned around and put his hands up gesture of mock fighting. Talk to hodges quickly brought them down again. Assist the State Attorney Murphy stated quote. It appears as bald as joking because he's seen smiling laughing on the video and he lowers his hands almost immediately a witness heard. Hodges say that if baldy touch them he would punch him and then reportedly saw hottest punch in the face while baldy was still smiling hardest also punch ball several times in the side knocking him backwards onto the platform. Monday and allegedly joined the fight and together. They push ballgame between two train cars when the train started moving. It dragged Baldy with it and he was killed. The suspects ran away from the scene was arrested on April tenth. Hodges reportedly turned himself in last Thursday afternoon. Court records indicate that at the time of the attack a moment. Baldi hodges was bailed pending trial on two felony theft charges our final update for the week on the murderer. Florida mother Nicole Montalvo thirty-three-year-old Montalvo disappeared on October. Twenty first two thousand nineteen after dropping her eight year old son off at the home of his paternal grandparents. The boy's father Kerr strange husband. Christopher Tear Rivera was living with his parents in late October. One toews dismembered remains were discovered onto properties owned by the terror. Rivera's Christopher and a sixty three year old father Angel Rivera were arrested on charges of abuse of a dead body and tampering with physical evidence following a lengthy dispute about whether to bring murder charges against them on March fifth. Christopher Aotearoa Rivera was charged with Montalvo. Second degree murder. This week the Orlando Sentinel reported that Angel Rivera Nicole. Natalia's father-in-law has also been charged with second-degree murder in connection with her death. The state is motion for the defendants cases to be consolidated arguing to the motive for the murder was a custody dispute quote. Both desire custody of Nicole signed and this desire for custody acted as a motive for each to commit crimes with which they are accused. The prosecutors have not released a Kohl's cause of death at this time nor have they identified at primary perpetrator inner killing. The two are scheduled to go on trial on me seventh but the court hearings are currently on hold due to the corona virus pandemic. That's it for today's episode of sort and skill daily. If you haven't heard there's a new episode of sort and scale out episode one sixty Cova crimes. We've been doing a lot of covert related crimes on this show. If you've been interested go check it out. It's really good. We'll see you back here next week until then stay safe but sort scale. Daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams researching writing by Gar Baroque executive producer. Mike Day if you like the show subscribe leave us a review if you to write us with feedback or suggestions use the email address daily. It's WINDSCALE DOT com. Do you need something to listen to next. We'll check out this other show from cast media. Im Jacob Tula. I'm Jamie bb of circle stocking in each episode. We're going to bring you a new stalking case covering the INS and outs of each stocker. Their victim and their shoulders. In how the weapon? What is is it a gun. Ninety F- She hated me so much. She found my stepmother Brendan her and then was caught. Making a plan to attack me with my stepmother he shows up to my gallery and he's wearing a space suit. He looks at me and he goes. You look like Jessica Rabbit and Lee Lou from the Fifth Element and then he looks at me very intensely and he goes and I'm GonNa Stock You. We hear about the cops not really doing anything or not. Really caring about the crime stock. There's a lot of the shame offers. The Predator who'd been stalking me for forty four years was starting to really interfere with my life and my freedom a lot more than he had been one of those random messages on my damn it was like. I'm coming off see on this date and I was like responding today and then it was like a verification of like us at all of a sudden I hear knock at the door so I opened the door and their day. Six foot. Something Gentleman standing in front of me with a backpack and he looks at me and he said. Are you Erin kind of panicked? Because this isn't Larry. He followed me to my work late and he grabbed me. Push me into the door and was I. I'm blocking unblocked me. Why do you love me? 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July 29 2019
"Hey Listener Boys Girls Mel Herbie. It's time for Ilan daily Putty Network podcast thing Monday July twenty nights if I'm lacking a little bit of energy sculpted slate really late at night just back from a trip up the coast and we got home late you. Do you want to know why we got home late. Let me tell you what's going to be bit of rant. That's going to be short one and then there's a lot to talk about at this week but we go to a Tuscan era which is about halfway between here in Santa Cruz which is where we're headed and <hes> it said that there were four cows Stolz open at the Tuscaroras super charger and then we get to the thus Qadeer as it turns out that there are no stools that are empty because there are full Stolz that are actually broken and a line of cows waiting now. I could've stopped at a super charger bad fifteen miles before that in San Luis. Abyss Book but because pretty full at San Luis Obispo Michael Toscano has four but I'll just drive down the road a bit ten fifteen minutes and continue on so what's the problem here. There's a couple of problems with this well first of all the APP was wrong. There were four unworkable superchargers. There just weren't working nozzles as they were so the APP was just straight up wrong and then we waited waited and while I was waiting I cold Tesla. The wait time was probably half now to forty five minutes maybe forty five minutes probably and then when I got the person on the line I said you know we're Tuscan air here. There is a line of Tesla's the superchargers and working properly what's going on and this very nice person looked it up and said Oh says that for offline that's the supercharge a group. I'll send them inert. What's up with that? What's up with the fact that the APP was not updating and that this has probably been there for a a long time and it was sort of like a lack of about it and I know that some of you were GonNa call me whiny and I will problems and stuff but let me tell you this if you can't trust? The APP to tell you how many pitches are open and you have situations like this. People are GONNA very quickly. Psychologically happens very fast. Just stop trusting. I don't know if I get stuck because the APP is not trustworthy. Worthy has a huge deal. The APP absolutely has to be trust with the one in the cow the one on the phone if it says that there are five stalls open. They better be five stalls open if there aren't five stores open the problem the other thing thing that you get into is if you're at places in this one place that we go to Philly frequently where they get iced all the time so it'll say there's eight open you get there. There's none open because there's two turtles in the and six is cows now again. You could call me whining but this is the kind of stuff that has to get fixed so this is just a data issue so that data that therefore broken ones should have been sent to the APP should have been sent to the car and when it's working it says something like Reduce Service vicinity like Oh what does that mean it can be vague like that and you just know well. I'm not going to take the risk. I'm GonNa go somewhere else so my other rant on. This is on the way home. We just went pasta. Tuscany are we in straight to San Luis Obispo said there was a couple of open. And thankfully there was two that were open but this was a bank of about eight superchargers and they have a Max rate of one hundred fifty but I knew going in there told the family and the friends that are in the Cup <hes> we're not getting out of here anytime soon because I've been at the super charger before and many like them and although the MAC's rate is theoretically one fifty and that split in half when you're sharing that sort of bullet you don't even get half because these V two superchargers at a lot of these places cannot keep up when the entire thing is full they just can't keep up and so instead of getting seventy five kilowatts we were getting forty two keloids so really slow rate of charge for a supercharge great right if you're at home not a few of turn this around and get back on the road and stay that way for a long time and ultimately it sped up a little bit off to some people left but joys me a little bit crazy when there's all this discussion about rate of charging and we read about it in the notes all the time and we hear you talking about another people and I want to just like say ask the question at least in one of these these sort of quarterly reports and all of this stuff. Let's talk about real world charging. Charging what's the three real world charging going to be like I'm what I mean by that is when that entire thing is full and you're going to see a significant reduction so you're not gonna get anywhere near two fifty a lot of the time because a lot of the time it's busy so can we start talking about real world charge rates because these theoretical charge rates when it's the weekday and you're the only person on a bank of ten and you're getting a really straight and that's sort of show your friends that's fine but really when supercharging matters is when people are on the road and people are on the road during busy times and on the weekends when they going to do things that are important and having a lot of <hes> Tesla's that are waiting for a long time. It's just bad publicity and we had somebody in the first time in a test the first time on a road trip who said does this happen all the time because it seems like this isn't ready for primetime and that was exactly the point so he's somebody that you'd like to say look how great tests Arisen supercharge network and we can go get a quick snack and come back in the cows filled up and their the entire thing was anxiety producing. This is adding an hour to drive because it's taking so long to charge. I don't think I want to get a tesla there. You have it right there. Super Bad advertising and it's not that I'm. Angrier Tesla. This is a very difficult thing to fix. You need a huge pipe. I'm just saying I hope VI three fixes this. I hope VI three with soul and with other big batteries their fixes this so that you can always get close goes to the theoretical Mac's rate that would be really important or of course the other thing the other thing is much bigger batteries so you can just blow through the judge and continue on home and yes. You'd have to pay for that but you've heard that before a one hundred times but I'm gonNA keep hopping when it comes up because I think it's really important. I think it's really fundamental to Tesla and I don't know if they listen to this. They probably don't probably don't care but maybe somebody is and I think we have to keep keep pushing on this is the supercharge network as much as anything else which is the most important part of Tesla and why they can compete or should be able to compete with ice guys but not if it's not kind of close to perfect otherwise you're gonNa have that situations like well. I don't WANNA by Tesla when it should be almost as the greatest if this is a great a supercharge network look how fast it is okay. It's not as I guess but I can put up with it but not when it's adding an hour when it should take.
PRESENTS Hunting Warhead
"Hello I'm only words. You might know my voice from such revel seasons as snowball. I'm I'm dropping in here to tell you about an amazing new podcast from our friends at the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. But before I tell you that that's my Canadian imprisioned. I just wanted to say thank you for listening to snowball and thanks. Hey thanks for the messages. It's been pretty much wall to wall. Love like show. There was one star review. That doesn't like the voice over Feliz. -Ly but I can't a lot of you have been asking me about what's happened since and I can tell you that is being a couple of Spicy Z.. meatballs coming through someone leaves extended family came across the story and reached out to me. They had always suspected stuff was going on but now they are an American radio station has done a follow up as well and tried to get hold of Leslie in. They had this to say news. Tried to track down the woman at the center of the podcast get her viewpoint of the story but despite several attempts to reach her by phone we got her voicemail but no return calls we were also able to confirm that until recently. La She did work at a San Luis Obispo Grocery store but she no longer works there. We might do a bonus episode for you if you want to hear that or if you have any questions still burning slot into my instagram deems at Hollywood's anyway I have to tell you about hunting warhead. It's a new series from CBC and it is is an extraordinary story that also spans continents and delves into some really doc hectic stuff. You always had a laptop in his face always some like what the hell are you doing. He told me about a forum mm-hmm he'd created by started building a system that would monitor these different forums for newly you be posted images and then extracts. GPS location in those files playroom for. That's your baby's clothes. That's their toys. That's my house. Nobody knows nobody. They have no idea that when I say jump. At least one million people tae-hi the story involves and international undercover operation in this operation is to bust an an online child abuse ring from Norway to Sydney to Brisbane and over to North America. You'll hear how the dock web works the unreal tactics tactics that cops are using to catch people and the personal accounts of people involved with a Canadian reporter talking to a Norwegian journalist who stumbled onto something something in Australia. They sounds like the setup for a punch line but hunting warhead is nor dark. I think it's a difficult story to tell well and perhaps also to follow because it's got so many layers in it that's how can how can Adl. He's investigative good of journalists and these based in Oslo Norway. You got the story about how I not from the server of this site and you got the story of of the police operation and the story about the people behind decided self on the dark net. Hawkin rights writes for paper called Verdinsgang famous Norway. Famous enough that everyone there just calls it bites initials Fiji and also. Will you have the story about the arrest itself. So it's We've got several layers to it. How can originally broke broke the story talking about it usually is an issue but for some reason this time around? It's kind of messing with them. Sorry and it's it's also difficult story because of the subject. It is a tough subject for sure but I don't think that's really the issue. How can use to covering nasty subjects? What's messing with them? I think is that he's self conscious. He's used to telling the story from the outside. He's not used to being a character in it and what he's telling telling me. Now is the story behind that story the biggest story of his career. So I I mean this Burger bar in Brisbane. It's lunchtime and it really really crowded and I were there with the two other guys two other guys. He's he's only just met how trying to get a read on them trying to size them up John. He seemed to be like the younger one. He had blond hair perfect teeth firm handshake. And Look Very. You know rather lean and fit and Paul the other guy he also I mean. He looked like he had been doing handiwork. A lot and looked like a robust guy I mean. They look like they've been working out so the kind of guys you probably don't WanNa get upset which is a problem because Howkins flown all the way from Oslo to do just that is there to confront them about what they've been up to. But I was a bit surprised that they wanted to take me out to to to have lunch because I told him that. You know I got some information that I I need to talk to you about so I was hoping that we could meet at an office because these some some information that I wanted to share with everyone is the kind of information they can destroy reputations families lives. I'm quite nervous because we are in this open bar with a lot of other people apple a noisy we have to talk loud To be able to hear each other and I'm about to tell them that I know that they're the ones who are running the largest child abuse website on the dark net. It's a heavy story but it's amazingly produced and Shawn's alight and some of the dacas places. Get around hunting warhead on whatever APP. You're hearing this.
Jan 31, 2020
"Hello and welcome back to sort and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Friday January thirty first coming up on sort and scale daily police in Pasco County. Florida discovered the body of Ernest. o Caballero in a rural area north of Tampa Caballero is believed leave to have kidnapped newborn son. Andrew after allegedly fatally shooting the child's mother grandmother and Great Grandmother in Quebec a convicted murderer with a history. Three of violence against women murdered a sex worker. While out on April finally new developments are announced. The case Kristin smart a student at cal. Poly in San Luis Obispo who disappeared on May Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-six all this more coming up on sword and scaled daily the Miami Herald reports that on Wednesday afternoon deputies. VP's from Pasco County sheriff's Office discovered the body of forty nine year old or Nesta Caballero near blatant Florida. Authorities believe that Caballero abducted his newborn born son Andrew from his home in Miami Dade County. After killing the boy's mother grandmother and great grandmother an amber alert was issued for Andrew on Tuesday describing describing the vehicle cavalier was driving as a white van with specific stickers. The following day the van was seen parked near a road in Pasco County and Caballeros Body. He was found nearby. There are still no sign of Andrew on Tuesday. A relative of the infants called Miami Dade Police to report being unable to reach the family family. Police responded to the house which is owned by Caballero and discover the bodies of three women later identified as Andrew's mother forty year old Rita Garcia Valdez. Has His grandmother sixty year old Isabella Valdez. And his great grandmother. Eighty four year old Lena Gonzalez they were all shot in the head by high powered rifle. The infant was missing from the home. An amber alert was issued statewide for Andrew Caballero. who was believed to be traveling with his father and a white van with stickers for Nesty School Services Nesty School Services is listed as a company owned by Caballero which transports children to and from several schools in Miami Dade County Eh? On Wednesday deputies found the van after receiving a call about a suspicious vehicle in blatant Florida. Pasco County deputies responded and using canine units knits discovered Caballeros Body wooded area near the van. He was discovered deceased of a single gunshot wound to the head. Andrew was not near him and the van contained only only older seats in a pacifier deputies. Continue to search the area using dogs mounted patrols and helicopters but so far. There are no signs of ten-day-old ten-day-old Andrew Miami Dade Detective Christopher Sourby. Thomas told the herald quote a newborn obviously without parental. Care every minute counts. What's that's why we're reaching out to hospitals schools and other safe havens the Pasco County? Sheriff shared possible lead. That could give some hope that Andrew is still alive. Live the witness who reported the van to the sheriff's office also reported seeing a blonde woman inside the van. The sheriff's Office is working to confirm the sighting and create a composite. posits sketch of the woman. And the Sheriff told the Herald quote. I sit here and pray to God that this is true and that she has the baby. If the woman is out there please come forward. I promise you that all we care about is that Little Andrews okay. Police are also asking the public to assist them. In reconstructing the route Caballero took a Pasco County and asked that anyone who saw him contact them. Our next story takes the Canada on January. Twenty third word fifty one year old. You statia less turned himself into police in Quebec City and confessed to murdering twenty two year. Old Sex worker Merlene levesque a short time. Later officers. Discover levesque body in a hotel room in the Saint neighborhood. Glass was taken into custody last Friday and charged with second degree murder. Her the case has generated fury and Canada because Colest- a convicted murderer with a history of violence against women committed the murder while on April at a halfway halfway house a freedom. He was granted by the Parole Board. After being judged of quote low or moderate risk to reoffend based on documents released by the Parole Parole Board. Gillis was given explicit permission by case workers to hire sex workers in spite of his history and the fact that it is a criminal fence to quote meet his sexual sexual needs in two thousand. Six glass was convicted of the two thousand four second degree murder of his girlfriend. Sean tell the Shins. Gillespie Sean tell the death with a hammer and stabbed her when she tried to leave him. And later scrawled expletives on the walls in her blood he was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after fifteen in years and his risk of re offending was deemed. High Gloss has a prior conviction for domestic assault from nineteen ninety seven Golez exhibited model behavior behavior in prison and was gradually permitted more freedom in March two thousand nineteen his danger of re-offending was readjusted to low moderate and he was granted six months of day parole at a halfway house in September. The board reviewed his parole and decided to extend it by six more months according to the Parole Board. September decision obtained translated from French by Vice magazine. Glass brought up his relationships with women with case workers and a quote risk management strategy. Reggie was put in place to allow us to see women only to respond to his sexual needs from the decision quote. Although you were still single and you say aren't ready to enter a relationship with a woman you are able to efficiently evaluate your needs and expectations towards women during your hearing. Your parole officer underlined a strategy strategy. That was developed with the goal. That would allow you to meet women in order to respond to your sexual needs as a part of the new parole conditions. Glass had a report any relationship relationship with a woman to the board. Although explicitly the board forbade Gillespie visiting massage parlours. It acknowledged that the caseworker had apparently signed off on the illegal strategy and did not cancel the parole. When they discovered glass had been going to massage parlours Sandra Wesley? The director of Stella a sex sex workers organization in Montreal told the CBC quote the Parole Board gave glass tactic permission to hire prostitutes putting them at risk they identify that. This man was a potential danger to women and wasn't ready to have proper relationships with women but figured that he could then go see sex workers. The Montreal Gazette that sites to former parole board members who have come forward to say that they believe the problem was in part inexperience parole board members due to federal changes in the way the board chooses members. Another problem is the legal status of sex workers in Quebec. Anyone hiring sex worker and anyone helping them work is committing the crime for this reason. Sex workers hardly ever report violence that takes place in massage parlours Marilyn levesque worked at a parlor that had ban Dan glass because of violence against the workers. Glen asked her to meet him at a hotel. The Quebec Minister of Justice. Sonia Lebel has called him Bill Blair. The Federal Minister of Public Safety to investigate. How violent offender light? Goliaths was granted parole in the first place. In addition to the terms of the parole and after the Break San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office confirmed they have to new piece of evidence in the investigation into the disappearance. Awesome Kristen Smart. Hey I just wanted to ask how many of you have credit cards. I'm sure that most most of you have at least one. If so you know there's no better feeling than paying them off but you know it feels even better paying off those high interest credit cards getting a lower rate and saving money. That's what you can do with livestream. Did you know that the average interest rate for a credit card is over twenty percent. That's crazy refinance your credit card balances and save with a credit card consolidation. Loan from light stream you can get a rate as low as five point nine five percents percents. APR With auto-pay. The online application is quick and easy no waiting in line at the bank or being stuck on the phone with representative. It's so easy you can apply from your phone. 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M. dot com slash scale subject to credit approval rate includes point fifty percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply and offers are subject to change without notice visit like string dot dot com slash scale for more information now for our final story on Wednesday state. The San Luis Obispo County. Sheriff's Office confirmed that they have taken to trucks evidence in the investigation into the nineteen ninety-six disappearance of cal. Poly Student Kristin Kristin smart the main and according to the former sheriff only suspect in smart's disappearance is Paul Flora's a fellow cal poly student who was the last person to see Kristen. Smarter live Wednesday. Social Media announcement reads quote although it is not a common practice to comment on items of evidence in active investigations instigations in this specific case. We can't confirm the sheriff's office currently holds two trucks and evidence that belong to the floor as family members in Nineteen ninety-six Kristin smart disappeared around two am the morning of May Twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety six. She was walking back to her dorm with a female friend. And Paul Florez. The female friends separated from the two headed to her own door and flora's later told CAL poly police that he to separated from Kristen. Shortly after two days later smarts friends reported her missing but because they did not report. It's the campus police. The proper jurisdiction the search did not start until may thirtieth cal. Poly campus police searched smarts room and flora's room but not until after the end of the semester so all personal property was moved away for us initially agreed to be questioned questions after admitting he lied to police about a black guy he had saying he got playing basketball. Flora's abruptly left the interview and refused to answer further questions in June nineteen ninety-six after criticism from the smart family and the public about the cow. Poly Campus Police is treatment of the investigation. The San Luis Obispo County. Sheriff's Sheriff's office took over. Debbie searched the campus with cadaver dogs and four canines independently led them to Paul. Flora's dorm room now. Empty in November nineteen ninety-six. The Smart Family Sued Paul Flora's for wrongful death which led to a surge of floors as backyard. No evidence was found but it has since emerged that the search was not as thorough as it should have been both a smart family and law enforcement. Consider Flora's the main and only suspect. The case of Kristin Smart has recently received new interest. Thanks Chris Lambert's podcast your own backyard in Wednesday's episode Lambert. I brought up the possible existence of the trucks. The sheriff's office later confirmed this report. This update comes on the heels of January eighteenth report by the Stockton Record according to which the FBI had reached out to the smart family and told them to prepare for news. The family has now clarified. The call came from a former. FBI agent and not an active agent. DOC before we go with some news in the case of Peyton Houston Houston went missing on December twentieth after leaving Birmingham Alabama bar with two men later that evening. She texted a CO worker. She'd been drinking with telling her she did not know where she was and felt like she was in trouble. Payton's body was discovered on January third third buried in a shallow grave in the backyard of a vacant house and Huey town. There were no obvious signs of trauma on the body and the medical examiner was waiting for toxicity results. soult to determine the cause and manner of death on January sixteenth fifty year. Old Frederick Hampton. A registered sex offender was charged with abuse of a corpse in connection connection with Houston's death police say they have evidence that Payton spent her last night with Hampton. The vacant home where. Her body was discovered his own by Hamptons family. Al Dot Com reports that on Wednesday night US marshalls tracked Hampden in Cleveland. Ohio and arrested him on Thursday morning. The Jefferson County County. Coroner released that the manner of Houston's death was an accidental overdose on morphine methamphetamine as we finished recording this episode news broke. Broke that photos duos. who was accused of killing his estranged wife? Jennifer has been declared dead. According to his attorney attorney Norm Patas announced that fifty two year old photos delos was pronounced dead just after five thirty. PM Eastern Standard Time photos was found unresponsive in his car in the garage of his Farmington. Home on a Tuesday suffering from apparent carbon monoxide poisoning. No suicide note was found in the home but investigators did state. They found a document in which photos reiterated his innocence with his death. Formally announced many questions remain in the disappearance of Jennifer. The couple's children are in the care of Jennifer's mother. We will continue to update you on any new developments. That's it for today's episode of sort and skilled daily. Remember you can follow us on twitter at SAS underscored daily to keep up with stories over the weekend. We'll see you back here next week and until then stay safe Sword end scaled daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan williamsport research and writing by Hagar Brock executive producer. Mike vide if you liked the show subscribing review if you have any feedback or suggestions it was the email address daily at sorting scale at Dot Com.
S4 06 | Stakeout
"This is an ABC podcast. This episode contains occasional course language. We go oh man. It's like Game Day for sportsperson. That's been training for ages but only as thirty seconds on in the field to kind of prove themselves my brothers. Simon and I renounce ridiculous American muscle car after months of investigating today might be see the day I come face to face with Liz Lee Manoukian. You know how sometimes people say that the butterflies in the stomach well Arkan minds more like Vance ants flying out of a cave all of them at once. The trial has led me to the small Californian town called San Luis Obispo Leslie was spotted restocking shelves in a supermarket here in the last year or so so we're on our way to that supermarket or I block refunds the incognito position down in the center of the cosseting sitting in between Sam and ally hope you can hear all the people have been speaking from past. They all say loosely won't talk but I've traveled across the world to be we're here and I've just gotTa get leased side of the story. We're pulling into the workplace that Lesley's or about to be yeah and she could be in the traffic around us. As we drive around at this stage we just want to the place out and confirmed lease lease the whigs here then we'll figure out how aperture before we've made a plan. We really don't want to be spotted. Incognito are waiting game. We sit for a while hoping to spotlessly young supermarkets off walk through the park to stop it shift. This guy's going in there wearing his apron so I wonder if there's a uniform like tiffany youthful mufti not in casual Asia. Just you on it. Feels like everything around us is in slow motion. We're on high alert sitting up like Mick hats looking around the Savannah so I'm pointing to a black cop pulling up all man. Oh Wow we could be on here. Honestly think we could be on a female black hair. sunny driving a car on ours honestly looks like here. That's Manoukian my she's helping out as we sit here. It seems like everybody could be looking for taper off that. Lois Not Close Leslie is only one more thing thing to do. I need to go into the supermarket and see if I can see her. I'm just GonNa Brighty the full incognito modes look around and the and the SUPERMAC Mach one because I want to confirm that she is there. I can do it without being prodded. It's risky. I don't WanNa talk to lease Easley actually inside where she works. I don't want to create a scene who workplace and if she sees me she might sneak off through a back entrance or something. Okay okay here. We go walking through the COP pock. Maybe the New Zealand accent will give me away. Sorry I should keep it a little larger. This might be crazy risky but I'm GONNA go even deeper into the supermarket hell man this is. This is some Hickok stuff from industry imperial okay if a heart is racing. I'm going down the kind of Mai L. now. I'M GONNA pay out couldn't spot here behind. The cashier is looking for down. Oh my gosh is absolutely that's her. She's working in customer service. and I reckon I might be able to get a long Straw. we're not come out of the supermarket. Simon is often the car watching the other insurance. I want to check if I'm right. I sent you a little screen shot and heavy look at and you tell me if it's not I didn't even look to us now that we know that Leslie and then we just have to be able to spotter when she leaves aw of spent so long hearing from all these people who say that they've been conned by Leslie today a finally got a shot at asking her about all this stuff what really happened happened in Tahoe San Diego Hawaii and with my family and New Zealand but I might only have one shot at talking to Leslie so I need to be prepared appeared cool and calm we retreat away from the COP hot to finalize plant along welcome to unravel season four. I'm only wards and this is snowball it. It's been ten years now since our last Liz Lukin and it took me most of these ten years to get past the destruction and lies that woman lifting awake when my investigation lead me to California my brother gave me this leader for Cameron the guy you heard from last episode who aren't phenomenal Ristorante. I don't know you other than and we share a terrible experience. At the hands of Leslie Manoukian it takes awhile to get through it but you perversely Salihi and we'll help you knowing there are many more victims. It's not such a lonely place when you think it's just you for a long time. I want got to believe that. It was just me that Leslie desperately wanted to start a new life and New Zealand and she felt compelled to do anything to stay here This was the emotional saw of the equation. I believe Leslie plays on even after I saw the evidence she still played played on why motions with cute names crap given your relationship with it you two would have heard all the stories about how she has has been a victim of different people and they will be a multitude of these stories but I'm sure they'll all be falling down now exposed as lies are really hard that you're a k. and can get yourself sorted in back on your Mr Gates. That's great. What's that's just part of the leader in the full thing. Greg also suggested to cameron that Leslie could be busted stood for what she had done but it seems like the only thing that's actually going to catch up with her is May. I think of learn a lot about heavily operates. It's but I'm no pro at this kind of thing on normally stick to coming up with dumb radio talkback topics before I try to talk one on one loosely. I want some expert help. I'm Maria Kondakova. I am an author psychologist and a professional poker player. Now Maria Kondakova aside from having a name combining two Russian tennis players knows what I might be up against and more she's a doctor of psychology and and she spent three years interviewing artists for her book called the Confidence Game. Maria says con artists just liars the term actually means confidence artist and it comes from confidence not in the sense of how confident you are but in the sense of confidence as in trust. It's it's not enough to just kind of committed fraud for instance. Less people commit fraud and arduous criminals. They're not con artists and it's not enough to just kind of lie to someone. You're just a liar liar. Then you're still not a con artist so you need to satisfy all of those things you need to gain. Someone's trust and take advantage of it for the express purpose of getting something you want that they're not aware of that does seem to apply to Lesley's passed. She definitely had some plans going on in the background. I also ask Maria for some tactics. That might get loosely talking stroke her ego. That's actually my number one piece of advice. The reason that artists were willing to talk to me even knowing exactly really what I was doing knowing that I was writing about them was because they're very egotistical. They're narcissists. They love being the center of attention and they're proud of what they do. You So don't be confrontational instead say you know I realize you're a good person. I know use their tactics on them. They stroke your you go. That's how they get not oh so do it right back to them. So if Lesley's anything like the CON artist Maria has spoken to a need to look out for flattery four her and from from her now I have that swirling around in my brain along with trying to beat friendly enough to keep talking while also being firm enough to get some bounces no worries. That's not the only challenge I'm facing on Ricky earlier. We found another potential issue. The supermarket has two entrances. Let's and Leslie could leave from either of them so we plan to split up so I'm gonNA drive to the other side of the cock. If he sees Leslie he'll stay in the car. I don't want it to feel outnumbered. We drive over to the supermarket. We get there around the time we think Lis Lis shift mighty. Hey Barry you in position Timmy clearview so now we wait as we sit there. Some dudes go past that. Give me some confidence wouldn't blending in sorry funny because some guys just drove pasta similar muscle car with baseball caps on. I even thought it was may driving pass. That's amazing as as the minutes tick by I start getting cold. Feet could have just stayed at home other need to be doing this. It's twelve go. Everything's fine. It's gone and making life difficult for yourself woods but I pull myself together. I call Simon back to chicken. Have you got a good spot on that second door. What's funny. Is I said Okay we ready but I'm feeling jumpy. I feel like I just need to keep talking. We are in the best possible park the closest one to each of the two instances to this strip mall at one level regional shopping scene to you might expect in Bella rat jr along Hamilton and now we just playing the waiting game for her to come out so I can have a chat hopefully staff leave through this insurance as as well. We did drive around. The back is on in back. Okay I see I see come. Running over to wash is getting car just getting in a car de as I get up to lease his car. I hear the engine star. She's about to drive away. I tried knocking on window and she opens the door just crack. Hey Liz Li. It's only Hollywood's. Hey how you doing. I'm I'll let you know. I'm recording this because I'm making a bit of a documentary about us. Everything that happens with you and family and I would love to get your side of the story. I'm super yeah yeah if you can just really quickly tell me in thirty seconds even like I just really wanted to know because I never got to see you again. Ask about everything that happened in New Zealand. Obviously you know I'm sure you've heard your parent side and your brother side. I would love to hear your aside. Honestly I would love to give you a I would love to talk to you seriously but right now as honestly like honestly not the best time to do this I don't even know what to actually say. Call me off guard. I'm sorry it's really weird you. What do you mean personality. That's how you always been end just to go get her and and you know you'd like to get to the bottom of staff and and and get the story and I appreciate that these that flattery the psych. Maria told me to look out for Liz opened the door less than arm's length engines running. Just try to keep talking but I do have have somewhere to go Is there a time that we can hear I can catch up with you later today or anything or how about tomorrow tomorrow's Great I. I really do just want to hear your side of the story and I've told you believe you one hundred percent and I I would love to tell my side of the story because I think I was unfair in some ways for sure and but I think that everything could have been handled in a completely different different way and I'll start with that. No maybe we can elaborate a little bit more tomorrow smile. That sounds like some sort of admission. That Leslie knows she's made some bad decisions but it's vague. She came to meet up tomorrow and go through things which is surprising prizing me. She even gives me a number a number or something I nine nine four nine. Okay hang on. Just take this down but I don't WanNa count on that happening so so I quickly ask another question. I I know you see that you kind of felt like it was unfair from both sides or anything if you could elaborate at least a little bit well. I just feel that I just feel that we should have all been able to sit down and have a a a an adult conversation and and be really honest all the I I blame your brother a little bit for not kind of kind of stepping up and Kinda pulling your parents and I together as one and and letting a sit down and actually have a conversation about why did some of the things I did to make things happen. W- my intent was never heard anybody of course but yeah yeah. There's there's a lot I could. I could say but go ahead just like you never came back. I mean it was twelve years ago. did you think about it. They're never everyone called me. They never once called you after not after the initial couple months above kind of going back and forth and him kind of asking me questions about what happened bend. I got paperwork asking for a an annulment and nothing never again. What about the business stuff. I'm interested as to what happened at the dragonfly. Well you know the dragonfly was kind of a yeah. It was kind of one of those situations situations where you know I. I did the best I could. got in over. My head got great garden over his head I didn't. I do my due diligence like I should have either so I was a big big fault at that but again. I didn't have the support that I needed the back support to see what we can do to to make this better. You know my my only reaction to the whole situation is let me go home to mom and dad sit down talk to them. See what we can do about it but then the second can I got back to America. It was you did this this this this this this instead we all did we all made the decisions together and we we all I'm. I'm not to say to blame but I just think from an adult situation. I don't think it was handled the way it could have been. That's all that I might like like. I said it wasn't to go there and screw your parents over and screw Greg over screw myself over you know I came back with nothing to you know and I had to start from scratch. You know but your brother never wants tried to try to pull us all in. He never came here in nothing nothing. So what was I really supposed to do okay so she's doing a pretty good job of making things sound like it was justifiable. Business Venture failed marriage but legally doesn't know how long I've been working on this the documents the people have given me evidence of possible fraud fake bank statements court documents. Police reports even a fight lawyer. She doesn't know that I know of that stuff but I think it's on your mind feel that maybe some of the the the ways that I went about trying to get the loans and stuff. Maybe weren't totally kosher. Can you explain that I mean what do you mean by that. Well what I mean by that is like I I could have have revealed my finances more instead of not. I didn't reveal them the way I should. Have you know so that was kind of on on me. Describing everything is not totally totally. Kosher seems like an understatement yeah. I mean really I'd really honestly know what else much more to say but you know I mean in like I came back here and it was a lot of just a lot of phone calls a lot of blame a lot of well. You Know Send Me I. I asked so many times alley for to get paperwork to send stuff to me. All I received was some paperwork saying that you know I needed to sign over the business which I did immediately. I signed everything of everything. I think they needed idea right from the start. I didn't try to not do that but the fact that your brother came here like try and even sit down with me and my parents and let me show you my side let me I can't come back there because you guys already told me if I stepped foot in your country entry I was going to jail. So how could I possibly come in and fight my side and I appreciate. This is upsetting sitting for you. Obviously you're setting for the last. Oh Years Ali. I never got closure. I never got to say goodbye to your brother. I truly you walked him so anyways. Wh what would be the closure that you would want too late now. I I don't i. I just would have loved to said goodbye. Sorry for any mistakes I made bad decisions. I made and I would have loved to have have left it for him to just a little harder. I'm feeling a bit rattled. I didn't expect Leslie to stop crying. Lang auto even vaguely concede that she had made bad decisions but the biggest shock is who she thinks was at fault thought. Maybe mom and dad would copper instead. Did she sang. Greg should've tried to win her back. I would have loved to have had a conversation and sit down and go through. All numbers have the bank either everything I I was. I I even offered to do that. You know and then all of a sudden it was don't come back here and that's what. I was told over and over. I have to stop myself from Jonesing Leslie on that she you could hit the gas at any second. What I really wanted to is Oscar about some of the things that might be hard for her to explain. What about the trust fund? What about like so you know I just it seems like diesel or not as loosely speaks on listening and frantically glee tapping at my phone to bring up some of that evidence that have got. I just want to show you just a document that that that have recovered on my phone. I have the documents that convinced kiwibank. He we bank to hand over a one point five million dollar loan the loan. My parents guaranteed thinking Liz Lee was putting her trust fund on the line alongside in doing the fitbit of digging around just to try and understand everything that happens and so I'm just showing you this thing on my phone right now. Which is a Bank of America statement. Can you have a look at that and tell me what it is. Okay from my trust fund colonial trust yeah what about it well. It's weird because the the numbers kind of trail off on a little bit of an angle so so that's okay so you had about five million in there right okay. Hey at what it says but it's just a bit weird because then the the number trails off on a little angle down on the side here and if you actually add these numbers these four numbers at some starting balance money in money out closing balance. It's actually wrong by about six hundred sixteen dollars. Wow okay hey that seems a bit weird for a bank statement right yeah it sure does and because the other thing is. I found that statement but I also found this Barklay Bank statement which was a joint account between you and greg which looks really similar like it's it's got you know the same things money in many out closing the formats the same the you had said something about this too many years ago something about banks tape sweat you he was referring to yeah. I mean even the the bar. Code is the same on the two statements. I believe I remember for him saying something about that and now I don't have an explanation for that okay. I don't know what to tell you with hood. How Leslie Aways has story but with those documents on my screen right in front of she doesn't know what to say to the ones. I just forward it. I didn't write those were forwarded to to uh from you to kiwibank back. Okay Yeah I remember those but do you think it's a bit fishy that that statement looks the same as the other one and it was forwarded from you to really looked at them looked at them but if you WanNa send them to me I I mean I can give you an answer right now but yeah kind of looks fishy but I don't know what to say. Okay cool okay. Leslie specifically typically sees that she was just fording things onto kiwibank. I know who sent him to her. It was her own mate Eric t Weiss esquire. He's the lawyer Leslie would use for her bank headman as well as her supposed book and movie deal the Guy Whip Pretty. Damn sure doesn't exist. I want to ask about Eric but I WanNa Start Jeanne Lee. Can you tell me about your lawyer Eric. Teewass what about him what's his deal. He's just my attorney. That's all I haven't talked to him in a few years but yeah that's that's about it why I tried to look up lawyer. Code Eric T. Watson. I noticed that you're one. He my Angeles uh-huh. Could you put me in touch with him. Do you think sure I mean if I have his phone number so I like. I said I haven't talked to him in a couple of years but but I can give you the last number for him. I'd be happy to no problem. Liz Lee sticking with his story about Eric so I'm thinking I can roll with this so eric t Weiss mm he was helping a you're writing a book right and what ended up happening with that never got published actually and what was the story of Your Life Style can you tell me about what happened with it. Not just never got published we we actually sent it out to few publishers and I think about ten or twelve just got you know it's a chance you take. I don't know like what what to say okay cool and just on the the letter that was sent from Eric Teewass to kiwibank along with these statements in the email. It gave a phone number for banks coal if they had any questions and that was actually the number for your parents place in California. What do you make etc.. If it's the same phone number now I don't know why and so why did kiwibank not call in verify why they did and they spoke to somebody so I was wondering who they would have spoken to can't be possible. There's no way that my parents would like pretend to be somebody if that's what you're trying to to say that number is still in the white pages listed phillies parents. I'm Don. I'm just asking the questions so. I'm just trying yeah yeah. You're absolutely so that's super weird to have a to have my parent's address. Eric's contact information also the bank adviser actually spoke with Eric on three different occasions when I was sitting in his office though the bank that gave us alone so oh he would have had the number the direct number he spoke with the air he wants you to to you know get all the financing and get all the approvals approvals and all that kind of stuff. You know you're exactly coming from me like he had to get. He had to verify all the information I mean we went through like a ten to a twelve day period where he had basically take all the information and verify it. Make sure everything was like kosher you know and I mean just a second ago. She was saying she could have revealed finances more but now she's saying everything was kosher. They just showed you that the statement that he he used to show that didn't even add up I yeah I know I see what you're saying but I'm also saying that the bank that gave Greg and either loan he verified all that information not not just threw me like he had a call of the financial institutions in order to verify those funds in order to give us alone or WanNa steal things over. Italy's parents biddy pity and android okay cool. I would love to have a chat to them about what they know about. Everything is well if I don't know I mean I'll have to ask them. I'll be happy to I mean you know I mean it's been a long time and I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with it. They always liked. You always liked Greg. I mean you know and they were sad. That stuff happened the way they did this more. I could ask about her parents but I realized those questions can be easy to deflect and before Lee byles. I WANNA keep hitting as many topics as I can. You told me all about your trust fund and your bar and Hawaii and all that stuff like what what was the deal with true there was true. I mean I had my bar in Hawaii. My Barn South Southlake tile. I owned a restaurant up here in Pasarell Bliss. I mean none of that was lies interesting. She feels the need to specify. None of that was lies now that she's brought up up some hypothesis businesses. I ask about him. Starting with Hawaii is Lisa's her problems. The happened because she's a mainlander. You do a lot of research on Hawaii. You'll know what it's like to be a Halley and go over to those islands and try and be successful there with the local Hawaiian people and you can pretty much ask anybody buddy then you'll get the same story so like Hawaii's very gnarly place. It's you can't go there and and kind of I guess look at me type of person which I did you know that the story I told you completely true and has happened several other people if I remember rightly you some people kind of came. You told me that they came to like sort of break into your place. Police reports are even over there on that broke into my house. I hid under the bed. I I've had a lot of trauma us you mentioned there was a police report of it. I've actually got her police report from the that you filed their about the place getting broken into and a ring being stolen and he found a knife on on your pillow case so are you saying that that was a different different incident or that's one of the incidents. I'm not really sure actually how many reports the police actually filed. I'm actually really surprised that one was even there so yeah there are several incidences where I called the police more than once Ali more than once begging for support begging for them to actually you know take care of the situation as far as that that situation was concerned and none of that really matters now. I guess kind of grown on you know grown to accept that. Those were the things that we're supposed to happen to me. You know same with New Zealand but life is life you know and you gotta you gotTa move forward from it and and learn from your mistakes and tried to be a better person and and that's what I'm trying to do in my life and I'm really sorry that Greg and I never got the closure you know but I really do wish that he would have given me that at least in came in talk to me and asked me the story instead of you. I'm glad to see you and becomes philosophical with life is life to to be honest. I'm kind of with her. Who Sort of Shit happens attitude is pretty calm when it's off the customer Compaq but then I remember uh-huh I've heard a lot of allegations from a lot of people. I need to ask her about them. I mean there's just lots of questions I have around. people have. I've seen that you've sort of forged chicks in the past and signed signed other people chicks for them. Have you done that. Wow sign other people's checks for them. I I would love to know who said that no and that's when I start to get into a sort of allegation response ping pong starting with the stuff about checks firstly the Brazilian surfer Georgia's who told the COPS lease lead stolen has checkbook and charged up thirteen grand absolutely not. I have no idea what he's talking about on that but for him to say I stole a checkbook. No he actually stole money from me on a surfboard. She refers to Georgia's by his nickname. Georgia joking even have any money so I don't even know what he's talking talking about. As far as checks at concerns Georgia's stands by what he told the COPS and says he never took anything from loosely there was also the other guy in Hawaii Vice Scott who told the police lizzy had stolen his credit card and checks. If he's who I believe he is older gentlemen with gray hair he actually gave me a credit card when I was over there in Hawaii and this is this is true story he gave me a credit card to buy supplies for the restaurant and I went and I bought supplies for the restaurant would not sleep with him so then he turned around and called the police and said I stole the credit card and bought liquor with it that that is exactly exactly what happened wherever involved he never wrote me a check nothing so so what about Tahoe where it seems like there was some disputes with the landlord of Khabar over unpaid I mean I have no clue that would be between my dad and him. I don't know my name was enlisted on that was it yes it is yeah. I have no clue never went to court up there every once so I got in trouble for a traffic violation up there but that's it I figure it might be harder for her to explain what happened when she got hit with charges related to chick fraud what what about in San Diego and oceanside now two thousand and three now I think I had some there was some bank situation but it got it got dropped. It was nothing that I did wrong. It was nothing illegal. You ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor for that It was a burglary charge. After six felony counts. I did not admit guilt to that charge arch actually actually the charges got dropped on that situation because it was a checking account that it was open my name and it was just a miscommunication Haitian. That was a long time ago. I can't give you exactly the details but now. I didn't go to jail for that. I didn't get a felony for that either. It was it was suspended because the charges got dropped so if you we did dig a little bit further it would not. There's nothing on my record for that at all. Actually she pleaded guilty to one of those charges but press on I want to know about Cameron. The phenomenal Milona from last episode did legally forge his chicks no absolutely not and if he's saying that he can come and tell me that to to my face it's hard to nail down the details on these things while. I'm lingering next to her car. I WanNa make sure Leslie feels like she'll get a fair hearing when we meet tomorrow so if you WanNa if you WanNa meet me or give me a ring and we can maybe go have coffee or something finishes up. I will do that for sure. There would be great. I would really appreciate that and then you know so you'd be able to show you some of the stuff of God and you can take me through. I'd be happy to do that really all right leslie shaky hand. I'm sorry to bail you off on your way out of now well. I you know what I'm I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked at all really thinking about you the other day. I don't know you kind of popped in my head. few days ago. Maybe the about a week ago or so and I was kind of wondering how you're doing and how far you went with with your life and stuff and often of New Zealand and yeah so I'm not shocked at all and I'm mom Matt so you know there's a lot of things in my life all that I've done that. I'm super proud of and there's some stuff that I've done that. I'm not either but I think all of us have you know and one wine is one of my biggest regrets is not being able to go back to New Zealand and settled stuff the way an adult should be able to have the opportunity to do it occurs to me that of asked about stuff from the past but what does she think of what I'm doing here on making a podcast which is a balanced e everything with you and my family and then obviously I've been sort of looking into what's been happening with you over the last twenty odd years. So what do you think of that. I think that if that's something you WanNa do go for it you you know. I'm not insulted. I'm not intimidated by it at all. you know you do what you WANNA do okay. I'm honestly I have nothing to to hide and I will be as up front with you as I possibly can with what I can remember what the knowledge I have okay. We'll give you that a cool thing you might like his approach to listen Milano to play the role of you really think that's funny funny. Thank you okay. Let's talk tomorrow. Okay thank thank you guys have a good one. Okay all right. Take care for pay. Thank you wow man she's goods. I even feel like I believe I've been looking at these statements and forgery forgeries and everything for like quite literally months and in that conversation I'm standing here like okay well. It seems legit and I really hurt. At least he will meet with me tomorrow to talk through some of the stuff oh man his simon join a jump out of the cop in a weird way. I I was just saying I. She's very convincing you flip no. She's very convincing cool as us. She did cry at one point and she said that she really loved Greg and she was really disappointed. He didn't fight for her. Yeah I mean I. I really come in on that because I don't know what to believe. We've just spent the last four or five days of people just showing US fake fake fake stuff that she did. It's hard to really believe anything. She says but I dunno like she was with Gregg full a couple of years. You know so I'm sure she has feelings for him probably impossible also we don't tell you know. I'm just amazed at how friendly she was and she was giving and she had a lot of Nice things to say about may end she was even at the end. They're saying I was thinking of you. Just the other day and you know that's ask her big disappointment as she can't come back to New Zealand now because Dad told her that she would be arrested she because she committed for the thing is we know is showing his stuff and she's like you know she was doing. The shaggy loves me. I'm like but I caught you in the fake. Bank statement wasn't me and soon what do you say to that if his point to make sure that not what Gregg could be tough to hear but we wanna play some of what Leslie said take my Shouli anyways. Do you think that thrill real feelings. Take off. I'd like to think so but in little yet anthony says yeah but aren't the fact sheet form before around. How do you explain so many victims like what was it just one mistake or should just like a fucking serial offender and it's hard not to see how she's not. It goes back to what she just said. In the NAVIENT closure trudy love you brother Markan. It's all bullshit is a off here during this too many people because there's nothing unique about me in that respect. Greg isn't completely without sympathy Veasley but for the most part his sympathies lie elsewhere. We've beeped out. Cameron's real name yeah so imagine. She said pretty sure why but for me. It's just just a little bit about other people to you know. It's not just about me. I guess what I mean by that is is what will say what what would the Brazilian gone say and always other people thought just be like fact she this. Shit Somme Greg like I said last night by you being super brave just even entertaining thing. You've honest and put yourself. They wore your hat on your slave bar and you'll one that's actually warmness arguably hotter than mom and dad even so good on your Bert Yeah I will. I mean he had just uh. I think it's pretty amazing what you Don Don. This restaurant is routes. Rebecca was a big Diana Big Day aw I don't know what to make of it all yet. Loosely was as cool as a cucumber in a cup of ice cubes but I know lots lots of what she said melts away when I show her evidence if she shows up Tamara maybe she'll admit more nixed mixed episode seamlessly text suggesting that we made up at the starbucks near the supermarket she works at and she's just sent me a text back so here it is highly and good morning. It was really good to see you too in the meantime salmon and I start thinking about what what Liz Lee's life must be really like this kind of existence must be true American said and just horrible only some help to understand that they're motivated in the sense of power over other people control over other people's lives in over ninety percent percent of cases truecar's are repeat offenders and given the opportunity to go straight so to speak. They don't take it. That's next time for the final chapter doc of snowball you've been listening to an ABC podcast discover more great ABC podcasts live radio the area and exclusive on the ABC listen APP
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"Country Carthy role when you say slow I went to for a long time to a principled. Slow classical academy and so if if people automatically domestically if they're not from the area you're going like oh slow like you intelligent. Let's slow classical academy. No no no no. It's just a remediation town all around. That's what people saying. Welcome to the cross country. Coffee Roadshow with host Dan and Linda mcgarry. Welcome to this week's edition of the cross country. Coffee Road show episode number forty two community space this week. We are still in San Luis. Ob spoke but we are at a completely different kinds of coffee FY store we've graduated from college and we are moving into a community space. Yes a community space. Have you ever been to a coffee store for that. Had anything like this so Linda's feeling apparently is no. She has not been to a start. Well when I go to a coffee shop I I've never never considered just sitting down chatting. Damn coffee go so your philosophy sophy is get your coffee. Get out as fast as you can. And don't bond with anybody while you're there. Is that what you're telling me well. For whatever reason there are people that go into copy restores and just get their coffee and leave. Maybe it's work. Maybe they just don't want to socialize. They just want their Java. But when I go into a coffee store I WANNA relax and when we walk through those doors and I saw the exposed brick the natural wood and the poured cement floor. I felt completely elliot. Ease historically copy shops just by design were met for communication in the sharing of ideas right. Except that's not what they have become secondary to the electronic invasion that we've had people sit around with their headphones on they isolate relate themselves. They're doing work. And that's the the case for a lot of people. It is a second office or a home away from home. As as one of our guests said last year he enjoyed going into the coffee store because it got him out of his apartment and he felt he could think better when he was sitting in a coffee store. But that's not what we found at a sendo. No in fact it was just the opposite. There is well not just the opposite. There are multiple spaces. There is the space for the person who wants to use it as his office. Because it set up for Wi fi but go ahead explain. What what you mean at a Sendo? They described the one third principle. One third of the coffee shop is voted for Electronics and people who need to work without big disturbed then there is a larger area with community tables in single tables that areas meant for sharing without without electronics. And then there's another third and that area is for people who want to work and communicate with each other at the same time again. There weren't signs in the first two aries third. One there was. What's special about the third area is that there are signs on the tables saying for flirting talking meeting people? No laptops no electronics. Please police well actually. It doesn't say no electronics because people are still able to use their phones but they're discouraged. Let's put it that way and it's unusual for a coffee store to discourage but you'll learn more about why that is from the owner. The one third one third one third philosophy at his son Doe I think should be implemented in every coffee store when you want to work on your laptop or do your business. You can do so without listening to other people's conversations if you'd like to join in this conversation regarding division of the locations within Santa Coffee Store feel free to to send us a message on any of our social media sites and you can contact us through our web page at cross country coffee roadshow dot com. I discussed is Jonathan Staff. The owner of sendo would your significant other. Let you roast coffee in the living room. It might get a little messy you mean with the chaff falling on your head. Chaff keeps falling on my head from a major in philosophy to will copy shop owner. How exactly does that happen? And is it common and everyone will find out about P.. I D. as a matter of fact I will be describing what p ID is in coffee. Fax Inflammatory Disease Good afternoon at a Sendo and you're at a Sendo Endo East West. What what is his call? Sendo west I guess into West. We are and I'm with Jonathan the owner Jonathan Staf Jonathan first of all. Thank you so much for taking the time with us here in the hospitality Both of these in the store. So how did you first of all come up with the name Ema Sendo so originally we started out under a different name. which was Baomin? Do Cafe and that was always tricky for people to pronounce when we started roasting. We wanted to come up with a name. That was simpler shorter. One word. That was a little bit easier. And maybe Represented the coffee Quality as well and so my partner my All of my leadership team all collaborating rated together to come up with a name for it and it was a really fun process especially empowering everybody on the leadership team to participate and and so it was it was truly a naming committee really absolutely and was that tough. Did you get down a couple of tiebreakers or or was it just. Everybody said now this ascend. That's the way to go. We'll beat it to death a little bit. I'm just going through every name we could think of and end discarding everyone almost in until we finally almost ran out of names that we felt were good and then kind of went back through our favorites that we come up with and and just kind of let the cream rises to the top and by by vote basically. We chose Sendo which is taken from Latin and it means I rise or I climb and so we really liked that that it kind of fits with coffee arising in the morning with a cup of coffee but also a double meaning of our own journey and climb to get where we are today and it's been quite a adventure and starting out in three hundred and forty square foot coffee shop and and growing growing it to have two locations and a whole Silverstein business. It's been an adventure and that's actually my next question. Is your coffee history. And then what made you decide to do this crazy crazy venture first of all your coffee history and then how it kind of led you into the coffee store and took a job. Working at a coffee shop is going to college and I just was given a lot of responsibility there and they roasted their own coffee but they didn't know much about about making coffee and such so they they were roasting their own coffee but there was no real standards in in the shop as far as serving coffee and and so what kind of took it upon myself to learn about Espresso and learn how to do it consistently and do it well and and was given a lot of freedom to implement whatever alright kind of came up with a lot of fun without Espresso is very complex and irritating and Beautiful and delicious. And so so I I really fell in love with it Through that process and I ended up building little home coffee roaster and started ordering green beans and just fell in love with roasting as well. And when you say build we've had One of our the more famous stores from last season said he started with a dog dish in a heat gun. So when you built your what did you build it out. So I I got a A PhD controlled Heater fan that was used in scientific laboratories and I got it out and took some parts from a popcorn popper installed them and hooked it all up to the controller and I was able to actually like program roasts a time and temperature and and And that allowed me a lot of freedom to discover what roasting methods work best tastes best to me and and so it was it was a blast roasting in my living room with chaff going everywhere but I really fell in love love with the process through there especially seen it start start to finish roast into making the press and all that other stuff so and so you when you started needed roasting you really were roasting for your own tastes and now has that changed. Obviously you've gotten much bigger now but has that changed over time that you row still for four year old tastes or are you a roasting for the locale veteran so ironically enough. I didn't like coffee until I started working at a coffee shop. I didn't even like coffee when I started working at the coffee shop. But through that process of trying to understand Espresso Espresso quality and Master astor consistency. I really fell in love with it and probably had the I in good espresso ever tried so that that all I many fall in love with it that much more by the way. You're not the first one that's told us this story. There were a number of us. I don't think I start until I was forty. Something like in coffee. Then it can sneak up on you and so now how about your roasting it. Where do you get your beans from? Where's your words and source and and tell me if he ever relationship with the people that give you the beans sure okay so we source most of coffee through Red Fox which is a small smaller importer? That's focused on quality and ethical sourcing horsing. Then we're really proud to work with them really really grateful for the work that they do. And you mentioned ethically and we've discussed that in our previous podcast but I'm wondering we're we're origin wise. Where do your coffee's come from all over but our favorites tend to be From Guatemala Colombia Ethiopia Kenya. We have a coffee from Mexico that knocked my socks off. I've never had a a such an amazing coffee from Mexico before and So so really. All over we don't have any You know set standards for what countries we buy from. It's more about Quality Indian and whatever Tastes good in the cup. So and one of the things that I picked up over the course of the last year is the the the bean obviously One one or roaster told me he said the being wants to be roasted the way at once to roasted. I'm not sure that was a little more zen than I could probably could handle but How do you decide how to roast a particular batch? DOODOO trial batches. How do you do this? Yeah so we have a small sample. Roaster will order green coffee samples we roast them and we couple maintain them decide which ones will fit our needs. The best or sample rosters is kind of unique. It's a drum style our roster and it has all the same probes airflow as our bigger roaster and so we can do a lot of experimentation with a very little risk so we can roast post a bunch of different a bunch of different styles on one coffee and then taste them all in decide where this coffee kind of wants to sit and we. We have a lot of familiarity with our equipment and we're able to transfer over. Y is a sendo unique. You think one of my cheesy catchphrases community. I and coffee is a close second and often people come to work here. Maybe they've worked in specially coffee before and they get really excited about how nerdy we are with coffee. We way out. Every Espresso dose we brew Espresso Straight onto a scale. We were fanatics about consistency in quality. And they can get really excited about how tight our coffee program is. And so I have that phrase to kind of Show them Demonstrate that the how we take community people even more serious and so I try to prevent anybody from me than touching or learning about our coffee program for the first couple of weeks that they work for us so that they can just let that sink in that they're hosting our our family. You know I tell them often like this is like you know. It's like your aunt coming over for Thanksgiving or something you know you might make them feel warm and welcoming and and it to be a genuine interaction. So that's something something that is very very important to us and runs deep in our values and one thing that we found that was a little bit different. Is Your area that you have sectioned off in the other store regarding the electronics. How can you tell me a little bit about how that came about? And how successful has that been. Envy had any pushback at all all in our original location which I said was only three hundred forty square foot. We only had three tables inside and we didn't offer Wi fi uh-huh because we really wanted to be focused on community and getting to know the people in and so the people who were drawn to US love that about us in love that you they became regulars and they were like our best friends and so when we moved into our bigger location. We wanted to make sure that that community was still served well in that our values for people weren't washed away because we anticipated much more business from students who Kazan Luis. Obispo is a college town and they all avoided us because we didn't have Wifi and we only have three tables but we knew moving into a twenty eight hundred square foot shop that we certainly would have some college students in that it would be appropriate to offer Wi fi but we did not want to give up a spot for our community that had supported us for the first four years or so we decided to section the cafe off where the back third of the cafe is a No uh-huh computers. It's a community space big community table chessboards. In Games tables for people to me that all of that And so that if you wanted to come with some friends and hang out for an hour on Sunday and just talk that you wouldn't be doing so surrounded by laptops that you you'd still have a nice feel to it and we dedicated another third of the coffee shop only to computers. There's outlets running under every table so they can study quietly and not be disturbed by people chatting and then another third of the dining area is just mixed use so that there's a spot for everyone and so it's not offensive to somebody who wants to come in work. We didn't realize that a big part of wet coffeeshops are used for for now but my love for coffee shops developed before Wi Fi and laptops were a huge thing you know. The WIFI was kind of slow in the laptops. Were Kinda slow and so it wasn't you know used for that as much as technology has increased. It's become a you know very popular a Lotta. People work out of a cafe. The Home Office as at work. Yeah so so just. The demand changed in the. You know the the the use that people wanted to use it for changed But we wanted to preserve what is unique about coffee shops and Dina a community spot for people to gather where all walks of life all demographics come together and are stimulated to converse and get to know each other and build a stronger community. I think coffee shop is unique in that in a bar at night you can chat with your community. But it's going to be narrow demographic and the conversations and so this makes it much clearer to me as far as the the lack of pushback because really it was part of your DNA from the get go and in fact it was kind of a the Easter egg of the computer industry. Where you're trying to look for spot 'cause that that's unusual spot for you but you guys started with no Wi fi initially so this makes a great deal of sense and we were able to talk with if somebody that said well? You know it's interesting because no headphones on you're listening to other conversations and it's not unusual for somebody to say. Oh I was at that concert tertre. I went here but I've had many many comments about you. Know coming to a senator you can expect to get into a conversation with a stranger and that they love of that about it. It's just neat. That that's still happens. Yeah and that. We've carved out a little bit of space for that to happen and your partner here is not with us To discuss we we met Jenna this morning. I'm wondering if you could tell me first of all. How did you guys meet? We met on the sidewalk and from a Mexican restaurant and more obey. Yeah there's just some chemistry there I think we've seen each other around a couple times at different places and so it was When we had the opportunity we we're going to resist to start talking to each other at the time she was working seasonally in Alaska so I took a lot of patients to to convince her to Give up your lifestyle to stay and that would be a real long distance romance from here to there. So and what was she doing in Alaska. She was She worked in the fishing industry. A Salmon Cannery. She is supervised Kennedy. Is there a point in your life where you said you know looking back. The this was a story from me because if I hadn't done this that or the other one of the most important stories in my life which is that that timeframe and and choosing to start a business rather than continuing my college education so that was a big decision for me me. I was very interested in studying further but not quite convinced that it was the right. Move for me especially my area study. Oh my favorite was philosophy and that's not necessarily a paying job at the end of it and so I I at the time. I didn't think that I wanted to be in academia so but philosophy is a great coffee store occupation as well so many yeah coffee store philosophers awesome. I right Oh sure through so many different Barista Guild Roaster Guild and especially Coffee Association events You know that's a a joke. Because there's so many people who studied philosophy that are working in coffee roasting coffee that my next question is related to music and I'm wandering Jonathan and if you have a favorite artists musicians song something that you could share and on top of that. Since you're the owner who gets gets to choose the music in the coffee stores that you run well The the Baristas do within reasonable limits. You Know Judas priest or what not quite maybe after hours including but we've never had much issue. I think that so the people choose to work for us are people who believe in what we're doing 'em usually don't have to push against them too hard for that as far as Music let's see a band that I have recently really started to enjoy his been and I'm not even sure if I'm saying that perfectly but but It's it's kind of hard to describe but it's kind of a mellow R&B Rock Kinda it. They it's really really difficult to describe but they it's a it's it's wonderful and definitely worth checking out for our listeners. We'll have them on spotify playlist at the end of the interview so you can check them out. What about favorite book? Do you have a favorite book that you've read either recently. Are Even you know when you were young like I mentioned. I love philosophy and I remember reading. Plato's Republic at a younger age Ah Shuki too but I was forced to where you I. It was for a class but I immediately reread it. Just because I was so fascinated fascinated that Some of these ideas you know we're around for so long in can before the time of Of Jesus in the Bible going everything and just some For such a narrow view of the world that they had to come up with such a powerful ideas that I was very very impressed recently A Book I've really enjoyed this enlightenment. Now by Steven Pinker and the book basically focuses on that today is the very best day to be alive in all of human history and it's it's a good reminder that we we we've come a long way humans and it may seem to be Crazy chaotic time. And maybe even end of the world sometimes but In a lot of aspects this is the best the best time to live in you know as far as human poverty women versus men literacy rates. Sir You children dying in childbirth and it's an awakening to to step out of the chaos of today and and put it into perspective with the big picture and and see how far we have come still got room to go but as the last guest was leaving. You're hugging that person. Tell me if you could about that is. That's a story you could share. You Hug every person who leaves the store at the end of the day No she's as a special regular that has been around for a long time everytime she's here she thanks me for creating a space like this and that she's so grateful for it and We got into some conversation and just talking about You know balancing taking care of our needs But also doing good in the world and finding the right balance where you're not You're not harming yourself so much that you have to stop taking care of people and doing good in the world so And and she was just You know give me a lot of compliments about whether created here and how this is like her home away from home home. I mean my best friends in life. Tough come out of this coffee shop both staff members and customers. There's not a division between the Community Kennedy and and our group you know community first coffees a close second. I want to thank you again. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. It's been my pleasure. Ramona considers herself to be a natural teacher. How do you go from being a special education teacher? Sure to a baker. And why would you do that. How different rules for Educational Standards Affect People when they move state to state date? And what exactly are the four P.'s. Would you write them down. Would you make a book. And what would Ramona like to see put back in the schools. It makes perfect sense to me. We are at a sendo coffee in beautiful. Full San Luis Obispo. I've been mispronouncing to San Luis Obispo. That's correct it is okay people as Spanish shares. Yes so it's so. San San Luis Obispo is how I learned it many many years ago in my. I guess today's Ramar my name is Ramona Ramona. Thank you so much for doing this interview today I'm wondering if you could first of all start off with our usual question. How did you get to this particular store? Well I moved here from in Tucson Arizona In October twenty eighteen my partner is completing a graduate program at Poly For history and so we relocated and previously. I was a teacher at the high school In the Special Education Department and I I thought that I needed to find the different career. Pass something try something new. I wore not kidding. So how did that Branching take place. Well I just when I moved here I knew it was a fresh start and I could just choose any of the many hobbies that I am interested in and pursue it so so I have loved baking and cooking for some time now making my own pie crust and you know discovering how simplistic baking can be was such a science when you have all the ingredients and the precision down. It's a enjoyable part of the reason. We have chosen the store. In addition the coffee was the baked goods. That are here so you are a major part of why we chose the store. Tell me what the joys are that you found in baking in the especially the choice in at this new career choice that you have as opposed to what you were doing in special education and How how things have changed in your life since you well? I've certainly grown dementia as a Baker here experiment a lot at home. But I know how much it takes to perfect it and get it out to the in the store. So there's there's a lot of wisdom that's in the shop From the owners to the people that I work with we all have good ideas and actually one of our other bakers is amazing and she's brought a lot of recipes that are solid to our menu. And what would you say is the most trying part of your day. And what's the portion that gives you the most joy Let's say it can be trying to get to work by four thirty every morning if if I don't go to bed by eight o'clock It can be difficult to get up in the morning and I used to work with high school students and I can't tell you how many times I told them you need again airs asleep. I don't care what you say. or WHO's on snapchat or whatever but and I find myself in the same predicament. That if I don't get to bed by seven thirty I'm kind kicking myself the next day. Best Part and the best part. I mean there's so many great pieces to this job. The customer base always friendly and so warm and we have our community space. Every time I take breaks I love to just go meet people that come in all the time and frankly i. I don't have a lot of opportunities to get to know the customers because I'm in the kitchen must've time then. SCIMECA pretty eighty concerted effort to find myself in this community. Because I am new and set and there's no other way to do it really discussed start talking to people you you are absolutely correct and if you could tell me about the community space we're going to Show some photos on our instagram page about this for our listeners. And if you could tell me about that space and then I'd like you to transition the difference between those two communities because to sign is also is a very artsy kind of community so trying to compare those two if you could sure so yeah community spaces just kind of the back corner of our store and we ask customers to not be on technology And we have little signs at each table that say something like this space is for flirting and chatting and stuff but please no computers so So yeah we really do value. That human connection Kevin piece to being a part of the community and especially with the advent of technology and how commonplace it is it can be it can be a barrier. I think into getting to know the people that you live around. When you're a teacher you spend twelve hours at your job? You know I I. It was not uncommon for me to be literally at school for at least ten hours a day three days a week. So that was my community was my fellow co workers. My teachers my students their families you know and I just dedicated a lot of time in one of the dilemmas that we've run into across ask. The country is teachers who left or are leaving the profession. So tell me what the thing was. That kind of really made you decide. Yeah I really can't do this anymore I would say for me. It was more of a credential problem. I've moved here from Arizona and none of my credentials transferred So so it was kind of like a either go back to school one hundred percent to get those credentials again or choose a different path and so I wouldn't say that I quit or that I stopped doing it because I couldn't handle it anymore I still volunteer at the local high school here. And I absolutely love doing that. Because it's like all the joys of teaching chance without any of the grading and lesson planning and all the parents can contact and that kind of stuff but if I had any advice I would. I would highly recommend that teachers talk with one another about the problems that they're having in their classes. Because I had some colleagues that I don't know I know that I would have even lasted two years without them and especially special education. Maybe a little bit more unique because especially like the school that I worked at. I shared a lot of the same students with one of the teachers and I'm a mentor. And it's a way to be vulnerable. You know teaching teaching is to admit that you're not perfect and most professional education. What about the transition between Arizonan? Here you mentioned the credentials it you know. I'm not I'll I'll be honest. I need to be educated on this sober laws and the the certifications patients are different. State to state what what happens. Arizona's one of the worst performing schools in the country and California is one of the best I mean I mean it doesn't surprise me California requires teachers to complete their credential programs So yeah and and now looking forward twenty years where would you see yourself. What do you see yourself doing twenty years from now? That's a great question I think in an the ideal world. I would combine baking in teaching. Yeah I especially saw in the last five years that I was working in At Santa High School that there are a lot of Young people that don't know anything about cooking and you see the snacks that they eat. And it's just it's kind of disgusting. No offence guys if you're listening but I think that there's a strong value in knowing how to to create something that you eat and to have as a daily habit and a daily skill you can continuously bill your whole life. I mean I just always think that's a skill that kids don't always have the resources at home to learn about and said to put it as an elective like in a school and to do that like I think I would really enjoy that a- and I think we used to have something like that but it has gone by the wayside if I'm not mistaken in the majority of the school systems Larry. Yeah I mean I. I graduated from Tucson high in two thousand ten and I don't think that there is like a homemade program indefinitely not at CNN. I think teaching was really pivotal turning point in my life and it's something that I continuously think about. You know the decision to stop teaching this to teach and back when I had that Opportunity Cini presented. I think that I've been natural teacher for a lot of my life like I mentioned. I've been doing music for a long time and when I was in middle school I even remember my band director. I'll Jones asking me to leave the group. Because he had arm surgery or something. He wasn't going to be either. He didn't trust the substitute you know and I had the four P.'s. How to build skills and there were patients precision positively and perseverance? And I painted those on my wall because they referred to them so much and the need all four to game a skill and if you're lacking one of them you're it's going to be more difficult or you'll feel like oh that's not something that language to do. Well my next question Rod. What is your music? Do you like music. And if so what do you like to listen to favorite artists musicians song of anybody that you'd like to share. I love music. I Miss Excellent player. Eric I've been playing saxophone for about fifteen years both professionally and kind of just by myself so Stephanie's thing I've invested a lot take time to Do play with the group. Not In San Luis Obispo I was with a group with my partner. Peter and a couple of guys back from Tucson. We were called. Oh God there's a lot of music that I could recommend the jazz wise but I would have to say things. I'm currently listening to Kelly Finnigan Finnigan From Coalmine records just put down a great album called the details. People tell and I would highly recommend it. It's a solo album and then it's amazing. I've been listening to on repeats. My next question is book related. Coffee stores are just a hub of exchanging of ideas ideas. In if you have a favorite book you'd like to share and a reason why that is what would you say. I read a book last year called Bad Indians back Deborah Miranda and it was it was kind of written in three parts one part. The first pair was kind of a history of central California region. Basically like how California became a developed community with the Labor of native people. And the brutality need that surrounded around that but also the kind of whitewashing around how it's taught now which I it's hard. Sorry because I know that a lot of people don't like kids to learn about really negative things from our history but it's just really sad to see like how you know. A history has been adjusted for a white perspective in to make people feel comfortable. The second part is kind of her personal small experienced being half Spanish and half native and the you know complexities around identity and that kind of thing and then the third part is poetry. And it's just it's like it's a really great book so we the roadshow believed that everybody has a story to tell. And I'm wondering if you have a story to share with us. I when I was living in Olympia Washington I had started working a local music shop Yanni's music and they just ran sell musical instruments. You know great grade school kids and And they have guitars and pianos and that kind of thing and one of my coworkers corey had said. Hey have you been down to the Sunday jam at Traditions and I was like oh no. I've never heard of traditions like I'm still new. And he said Yeah. Every Sunday they have jammed from like ten to twelve or something like that sounds fun. Go check it out. I went the first days that I was there and I sat in on a tune. Gentleman by the name of Sid Potter. Came up to me and he asked me if I wanted to play. Lead Alto in his community ban. Are you sure you want me to play a- a- and you want me play lead like and so I ended up joining the Lakewood community jazz. Fan my second year in Olympia and I played for three years with them and it was hysterical because I like the way. The big bands are oriented. The lead saxophonist is literally friends center. And this group was predominantly retired folks. So I was I was like young saying right in the front and center and it was actually at a Gig at a bar that I met my partner that I've been with so I really loved playing miss them so much. I'll big bands kind of thing I really into Alaska and big band and the sax basically have gotten the relationship and where are you all right just about hormone for Ramona. I want to thank you so much for this interview. It truly has been our Persian on the road. Show interview you today. Thank you so much really. Appreciate your time Next Guest Blake. You could have been on the mousketeers and for those of you who do not remember the mousketeers. They are on the Disney channel on a daily basis. WHOA wait a minute? There wasn't a Disney channel with a degree in animation. Go when someone says you're in the slow. Oh class what do you think a Good afternoon we are at a Sendo store in San Luis Obispo and there's apparently a controversy. How it's pronounced San Luis? Wasabi Spoiler San Luis of his my next guest Blake will solve that forest completely. Hi My name is Blake Mickey B. L. A. K. E. Komo I C K E. Y just like the mouse and. Can you sing that for me to make. He was going doing for the K. E. Y.. But I take I take all of it. C K. I Am O. U. S. C.. So Blake tell me if you could. What brings you into this this particular story? You've got lots of choices here for coffee in the area. Why here why a Sendo? Well no in particular my friends and I just really we love atmosphere here. We love the fact that they have a communal space in which it's very much talk. Be Friends make some noise and it's completely fine and a lot of coffee. I'll be shops. You'll find everybody's wearing headphones. And you know he start talking. You have a couple friends with you and you get some glares which it's just not an ideal space basin I. It's one of those anytime you're at a local coffee shop. There's the connection where the Baristas start to know your order. It's a much better experience and tell me a little a bit about how that promotes that community space promotes that kind of discussion. So somebody takes off their headphones do you. Do you meet people here. Do you meet meet strangers. Do meet friends here in an how does that kind of stimulate that obviously the people who are going to have their funds on. They're going to have their headphones on. And that's fine but I have heard conversations and people have heard my conversations on. Oh sweet I you know I. I didn't know anyone else who's in the area and enjoyed that particular thing. Hang or one time. I was working on an assignment so I wasn't in the communal space area. But somebody wasn't afraid. I think because of the communal space area to go. Hey a are you in this class that I'm also in on online Because I'm having some trouble filling out the worksheet. Would you mind helping me go over and things like that are just amazing absolutely and what it says on the signed for our listeners is no laptops please. But I believe there's some even some things on the table able to say no electronics The the placards on the table actually say this is a place for talking flirting hurting making friends of but please stay off of your laptops. It doesn't say electronics specifically just because people will need to contact their friends with their phones but the general understanding of the coffee shop is. Don't don't sit there on your phone. That's not what the space is for. And if you could tell me a little bit about your coffee history When did you start drinking coffee are you? Are you black. Frappuccino food drinks. What would what would you say your style? I was in Rehab and has been drinking coffee. Maybe when I was around thirteen and it was definitely one of those I had a sweet tooth. Coffee was a means for extra sugar that can be snuck in But as time has gone on I feel like I've learned to appreciate when there's good coffee and I usually go for lock as because it means that there is not added sugar. I can get away with that but particularly here. I'll order just plain iced coffee because it's just a life good time all around in Now what do you do in life as we know it here Currently I've just finished graduating high school. I was was an independent study student. While taking my General Ed courses at Cuesta College for my senior year of high school and I'll be off to Laguna beach to the ten Laguna College of design for animation. Well how fortuitous we just finished our recording in Laguna beach and etta historical recall Cadmus Beers so and I think we actually Kathy yet. Is The cat cafe. That's exactly correct and your college is not far from the cat cafe. It was Ashley Delightful. We had a great time and so Sol solve. This mystery for me is it. Are you a resident here. First of all your life I have been and so so. Is it San Luis Obispo or is it. San Luis Luis Obispo and explain the slow thing to do. PEOPLE ACTUALLY CALL IT S. L. O.. Slow people people. Just say slow. I went to for a long time to a principal. Slow classical academy and so if if people automatically it's not from the area you're going like Oh slow like are you intelligent. Let's slow classical academy. No no no no no no. It's just a reputation for the town and all around town. That's that's what people say it's just easier. Yeah so tell me about your major. What do you plan on Doing with your degree when you get Well when I get out animation industry does have a lot of outsource work unfortunately the two countries where they don't pay well which makes it a bit of a pickle because the actual animation does not oftentimes get done in America but what does get done in America. Most of the time is key. Framing story boarding The actual writing of a story color at least the color designed portion of it and so its own character design. If I haven't said that already so all those different things job opportunities that I can see see and as well as when you get a degree animation. You're just making hundreds of thousands of drawings all the time that's all you do. And so I figure if there is not a job Bob in the industry right away I can always do freelance illustration work. Tell me a little bit about how you got interested in both Animation drawing that sort of thing. What sorts of things drew you in? Is there any particular store in your life that that kind of pulled you into this career choice. Absolutely so when I I was in I think it was fifth grade. I had just a marvelous art teacher. Namus part Dealin and she really set me up with the basic foundations of making sure you have traditional drawing skills and really push like art is a fun thing you can do it anywhere. It's just a it's a good the thing to do And so that was just kind of in the back of my mind for a while. I just took art all throughout school and until about freshman year. When I was not satisfied with our teacher? They just was very much Well if you WANNA do traditional pencil work I need to teach the kids who are trying to learn something new so I was like okay. I'm going to go to college and take their drawing one class and from there kind of spiraled into taking more and more and drawing classes and in addition to this I've been doing the Act Productions with the slow repertory Tori theater in downtown slow and so from there. I found my love for acting and singing. And so what I. When I was really looking into what sort sort of job I would want what degree I would WANNA get? I was trying to find some sort of intersection between the things that I truly enjoy to do. That would still have some sort of job available to me and have multiple pathways. I could take and what I found truly was animation was just acting acting but drawing and storytelling for sure definite a one thing I was not aware of was the outsourcing and I think that's really important to highlight A. How do you plan on and breaking into the field after this? Do you know what the career program is like. Once you graduate I do not. I've looked into it. I don't have any specific contacts contacts. However I've put throw research into the schools that I looked at and the school that I'm going to and I know that they have great career fairs ingred ingred opportunities? They have contests. They have a lot of panels that you're are completely available and they have staff who worked on previously animated aided Disney films lots and lots of staff and I'm just glowing reviews all around as far as the staff and connections that you're able to make as long as you put in the effort for it so I'm not too concerned. I I know you have a great singing voice because we already heard that already. So do you have a favorite song or do you have favorite musical artist store album that you'd like to share and wine. I feel like I have a very bizarre musical taste. Favorite musical artist would have to be Kiko. How is a Japanese artist? WHO works with vocal? Lloyd which is a vocal synthesizer and tell me a little bit about the your favorite song from him and or kind of the style of people could expect from that and by the way for our listeners. At the end of this week's podcast they'll be a playlist. Just from spotify has a link to this artist. I think the first one that comes to mind he started US cleaning. Lady Expect Dramatic Bizarre Carnival esque songs mostly sung by Well Not really sung. I should say. He uses the vocal synthesizer emphasizes Hudson Amigo to create his songs and he just doesn't flawlessly. Now tell me about your favorite Book if you have one and it it can be from this year or from many years ago and why that that is the way it is the great Gatsby I think would have to be my favorite book. I think the real reason is I tend to be very drawn to anything that has a lot of mood to it when I look at the cover art of that book when I open in the pages of that book and I read them. It's it's just all very much that nineteen twenties kind of Shady Steve but high class things going on behind the scenes. I love the mood and Blake. I WanNa thank you so much for this interview. Thank taking the time with us today. In in lending you're lovely singing voice to our podcast as well appreciate it thank you. It's been a fun opportunity this weekend. Coffee facts I'm going to expound on proportional integral girl derivative here in lies the crossroad between geeked them and roasting. So it is not pelvic inflammatory. disease no. You're in the wrong field simply put. This is a device that automatically sets temperature to set control or set point. Use It enrolls day. No they don't some examples would be cruise controls and thermostats to get the the idea now okay. The long answer is very mathematical and has a dozen equations. Sounds like you could definitely go down a rabbit with this you absolutely could but the short answer is what Jonathan said. He used controller learn and popcorn machine to roast his first batch of coffee in his living room with the chaff. I remember chaff. Yeah remember when we did the interviewing outside the coffee store roasting machine from last season. The roasting They were roasting beans and the chap. The chimney was right next to us and chaff rain down on us the entire day we had an umbrella. Brown dandruff drift shaking it out of our hair and clothes for a week. It smelled delicious as I recall. You simply tipped your head to the sky opened your mouth awesome. Let it fall in water. Instant coffee to coffee and enjoyed this league's episode with Dan and Linda visit us at cross country. COFFEE ROADSHOW DOT COM or any of our social media sites and tell us about your favorite independent coffee the store and why you'd like us to bring our podcast to your town. Thank you for joining us this week on the cross country coffee roadshow ADN ATN assemble episode number forty two community space. We hope you enjoyed your time here in California thus far or on to the big city. Next week we will be in Palo. Alto California at Coupo- cafe Kupa or common and I know you've been waiting or coming for you. What a fabulous time? We had there and you'll learn more next week when we talk about their single origin origin. Coffee nothing like it on any store that we've been in so far so until next week we will see you either on the road or at the local coffee Alfie store and remember drink you like and like what you drink and where does the coffee took the words right out of my mouth in own and.
Episode 04: Son Of Susan
"From the smart family the statute of limitations in this case has expired on everything except murder. Anyone who comes forward with information will not be charged with any crime at eight. AM on June nineteenth. Two thousand a team of sheriff's investigators knocks on the front door of Susan. Flora's east branch street at home with them is a group of F. B. I.. Evidence Response Team members and a search warrant drafted by an FBI special agent. The twenty two page affidavit for the Warren lays out in detail several reasons for focusing their search at this house. I Paul Flora's admits to being the the last person with Kristin Smart. On the night she disappeared. Then the stories that Paul told his roommate and the police about the walk back to the dorms didn't match up he had a black eye scratches on his hands and knees the same weekend that Kristen disappeared and told three different stories about how he got them. He even admitted to lying to police about the first story so he wouldn't sound like a Klutz then Carta cadaver dogs alerted to the mattress telephone and wastebasket. Ascot Impulse Santa Lucia Hall Dorm Room for the Sin of human decomposition through all of the three story South Mountain residence halls which each house about about six hundred students. Paul's was the only one that the dogs alerted on. Then Susan Flora's next door neighbors depose that they saw Paul and Reuben. I'm doing construction work in Susan's backyard. Not long after Kristen went missing and afterwards said that they saw new lattice work and a series of planter boxes which had been cut out of the existing cement in the backyard. After Susan rented the House out to the lassiter family. That fall. Joe Lassiter deposed that one of those planter enter boxes measured six feet in length and three feet and with and he says he couldn't get flowers to grow in it because after six inches of soil oil he hit a second layer of cement. The warrant lists the earing the lassiter's found and the Dirk Reddish smudge on it as well as the cadaver dogs who reacted to the spot where rubens garbage can was kept since that last. Search in March of Nineteen ninety-seven. A garage has been constructed over the top of of this area a garage. That seems to me unnecessary. It doesn't house any cars that I know of and it blocks access to the backyard from the driveway away. The warrant also includes the findings of the ground penetrating radar search in Nineteen ninety-seven in which the geologists said he found anomalies under the concrete on Crete and saw evidence that dirt had been piled up alongside the west side of the House for a period of time and broken pieces of cement which he was told. We're left by Rubin and Paul Flores in the summer of Nineteen Ninety six in conclusion. The affidavit reads quote Kristin Smart is deceased N.. Either died in Paul Flora's dormitory room or was placed there for an unknown period of time based on the information. In this affidavit Paul Florez is responsible symbol for or has direct knowledge of Kristin Smart's disappearance and door death reasonable cause exists to believe that Kristin smart's body it is buried in the backyard of Susan Flora's home on East Branch Street. I've only amended that quote to leave out the actual house number armed armed with the warrant. Investigators spend nine hours at the house. Where Susan now lives with her ninety year old grandmother and her boyfriend Mike McConville her former real estate state partner at Prudential Hunter? The evidence response team searches a crawlspace under the front porch which is accessible from the side of the House and the large attic. which is spacious enough to walk around in the warrant gives them permission to search all rooms and buildings outbuildings Garages Yard Areas Trash containers storage areas and containers used in connection with or within the cartilage of said premises and buildings for the following property? One the remains of Kristin smart's body and to clothing and personal property of Kristin smart at five pm. Am they wrap up the search. Because they're using more advanced ground penetrating radar than the nineteen ninety-seven search. They determined that it's not necessary to dig up the concrete on Crete but the GP our results are ultimately inconclusive. And the moment they leave the property the search warrant expires and the property can can never be searched again without a brand new reasonable. 'cause it's the start of a second nightmare for the smart family on the surface at least law enforcement seems to have exhausted their leads and with no new developments to report the rest of the year. Two thousand passes without any mention of Kristin smart in and local newspapers. It seems like the community is starting to move on with their lives and forget about their daughter. Sometimes help can come from the most unlikely candidate and the candidate is about to pack up his van with everything he owns and Dr Two thousand five hundred sixty one miles across the country to make sure that nobody forgets about kristen. Smart especially not the flora's family Yeah after the second search of Susan Flora's East Branch Street House things slow down for a while in May of two thousand one. The Smart family hosts a celebration of life. For Kristen at Saint. John's Lutheran Church in a Royal Guerande. mm-hmm a reception follows at the short cliff lodge in Pismo which is attended by over a hundred friends and family members dressed in Hawaiian tire and sharing memories of a girl. Oh who loved the ocean and traveling the world the smarts release five doves for the five years. That kristen has been missing. The focus is on and Kristen. SMART as a person rather than Kristen smart as an unsolved case but sheriff Patrick Hedges speaks last and assures the audience. They won't give up on solving it when I hear stories like this. It frustrates me to no end. That I'm in the future. With the knowledge that hedges will be the second sheriff to retire without closing the case. A baby born on the day of Kristen celebration of life in two thousand one would have headed off to college. This fall It's eight fifty two. Oh here in New York. I'm Bryant Gumbel. We understand that there has been a plane crash on the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the World Trade Center. We understand that a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. We don't know anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We we heard it and and because I was just like standing there pretty much looking out the window I did see what caused or if there wasn't impact so you have no idea rather than another plane just hit all my God. Another plane plane has just hit another building full right into the middle of it explosion. Four months later the entire world watches on television Asian as the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapse and disappear from the Lower Manhattan Skyline in Charlotte North Carolina. A six foot five adventus health care supplies delivery driver named Dennis Man is watching the broadcast on a small black and white. TV and his empty apartment. Everything he owns sounds is in the back of his delivery van. He's about to head to San Luis Obispo with the blessing of his employer to look for Kristen Smart After sitting to absorb the shock of what's just happened in New York he unplug his TV and sets out across the country. Dennis isn't an investigator he's not in line enforcement or forensics. He's not even a psychic. Dennis's just Dennis Genesis. ONA had a long day traveling. I got home to sleep so I just woke up like half hour bill. Aw Dennis's interest started with another case. A girl from his hometown named Kristen Motto Ferry who moved to San Francisco for college where she disappeared on June June. Twenty Third Nineteen ninety-seven. Dennis looked up her parents in the Charlotte phonebook and asked for permission to go to California to look for at the time he he had no investigative experience. I always wanted to something big in my life. I was independent contractor for APREA healthcare. They will deliver hospital. Beds and oxygen tanks. Wchs to their patients are so busy. They said dentist his show up here every single morning and working for them for a couple of years making deliveries Kristen Mata Ferry. It was abducted. I wanted to go out. Look for her San Francisco. The manager of Africa's name is Kevin Bacon. He he said Dennis go find that girl and when when you come back you have your job they want so you. Just don't find that girl. I selling my job waiting for me after spending some time in San Francisco and forming a relationship with the modifier. A ferry family kristen's mother. Debbie introduced Dennis to Denise Smart after they appeared together on an episode of Sally Jesse Raphael about their missing daughters. I Dennis quickly got involved in both cases and in May nineteen ninety eight. He traveled down to Irvine to try to talk to Paul Florez. Paul Sister Hermelinda answered the door and told Dennis to get off of the property but instead Dennis sat at the front door reading a paperback book read this later. I using this kid riding a bicycle and it was Paul. I said you're Paul Anka's Ayutthaya Denison a very nice neiman shook my hand and soon as he did that reminder had open door again and GRANDPA's at feeding their Paul. He Yanked Housing Slam the door again and then about ten minutes later the cops were there and and they said I had to leave the property. That was my very first thing. I did for the smarts. Now three years have passed and Dennis's decided to make a serious effort to get a answers out of the floor as family. It was a day after nine eleven and I'm driving cross country in unmarked. Sixteen Foot White Van. It was on his last night. Actually sleep broke down. He buys a nineteen ninety-one Buick Century to finish the trip which rumbles and groans when he makes turns Oh is in Utah. Can I bought another car written Yeah it was pure. Yeah how did you know that. When he gets to San Luis Obispo a week later he applies for a job at a dominos on Foothill Boulevard? It's staffed by a handful of CAL poly students and a forty one year-old Dennis who asks his Co workers on his first shift. Hey you guys know about Kristin smart and not only that every time I had a deliberate to the dorms. It wasn't only pizza delivery. I was also asking the kids. They attorney smart as soon as he settled in. He drives his buick to a royal `Grande on October over twenty fifth. Two Thousand One and pulls up to Susan Flora's as East Branch Street House for the first time. This is naive but I didn't have any contact with flurries before for this. My initial thought was to go dock on the door and sit down and talk to he knocks on the door and Susan's boyfriend. Mike McConnell Answers Mike. It's a door and I said Hi. My name is Dennis now. I could talk to you about the Christian. Let me see some ID. It's what the time I just gotten a new drivers license in Charlotte Chart and so I gave Mike my old one he goes. Can I make a copy of this. I said sure here's up right back in. So he was gone for about five minutes and he came back eight months isis taxes. We don't WanNa Talk Art. Close the door. The denial isn't enough to dissuade Dennis and he goes back five days later this time Susan is home and she calls the Arroyo Guerande a police department two officers show up and ask Dennis to leave while they're standing on the sidewalk next to Dennis's car Ruben Flora's shows up and goes into Susan's the house he comes out a minute later holding a camera and starts to take pictures of Dennis. Dennis asked the officer to stop Ruben. But he's told that. What Ruben is doing is not illegal because they're standing on a public street? This is the exact moment that an idea starts to form for Dennis as long as he remains. It's on public property. He can take pictures of the Flora's family too and he does every day parks at the curb in front of Susan. Flora's house and waits to get a good picture of her. I would build a website in my car and then I would drive up to San was pistol to the Internet. Cafe up there on Foothill Boulevard. This when you had a pug the computer with the cable into the wall there and then I would upload to the server. He launches launches a website which he calls son of Susan Dot Com. I named it Susan because it was Susan. Flora's her son. Paul and the son of Sam was famous in New York so take off of that and he starts to write a book with the same title which he posts on the website. One chapter at a time right in the middle of a paragraph hillen CERTA parenthetical that breaks the fourth wall. I've been here for an hour so far and no police cars which is a bit surprising. A royal grinded. Police just showed up again. The officer was very sympathetic. But did ask that. I consider the wisdom of sitting right in front of the flora's residence. I told him I plan on staying right here. Rates Square in front of their home. I will be here a lot in the coming months. Dennis also travels down to Orange California over Thanksgiving and hands hands out flyers in the neighborhood where Paul is now living with his sister and her husband to inform neighbors. That Paul is a person of interest in the disappearance of girl the Flora's family and in their attorneys call it harassment. It raises some interesting questions about vigilantism. Where is the line? If you're not actually taking the law into into your own hands but simply annoying people is it okay to do. What if the agency WHO's supposed to be investigating the family is moving very we slowly losing potential evidence and publicly tipping off? The only suspect that as long as he refuses to talk. He'll never be tried then. When is it okay to bother his family? I don't know the right answer. And I think my mind would change based on whether I was the parent of the missing person or the parent of the person who was accused used of knowing what happened to her but Susan Flora's finally has enough on April twenty seven two thousand two. She calls the police on Dennis again. When an officer arrives Susan comes out to talk to him and because she's in public dinner starts to take photos over the same way? Ruben did to him months earlier Susan Rages and tackles Dennis's six foot five two hundred fifty pound frame to the ground. She pushed him aside. She jumped on Sullen right down to the crown you know and he quickly had her up and handcuffed her for salt. So I took photographs of Sergeant Sanchez. Head cuffing Susan. FLORY's they're posted on his is website hours later but while the cops are talking to each other across the street. Dennis has one last exchange with Susan so they had her in the backseat. They didn't cover arms behind a shedder hands Kutner lap basically and they had her in the back seat the windows open and that's when Susan. She reached her her hands out the window like pointed POW and then she goes. Yeah Paul Kill crested any also killed that Bonafini girl to she didn't know how to pronounce Monastery Barry so she said modest. It's confirmation that the floor as are paying close attention to Dennis's website in May of two thousand two Paul Flora Sentenced to eight months in jail for violating his probation by drinking alcohol in a bar in Costa Mesa. The terms of his probation require him to abstain from alcohol for three years. Now that he's been pulled over for drunk driving at least three times since nineteen ninety-six he set to begin serving his term on May thirty first so dennis shows up at the Santa Barbara County jail with his camera to get more pictures for son of Susan Dot Com and to hand out flyers to other prisoners when he's informed by guard heard that Paul checked himself in one day early specifically to avoid Dennis so the website is working in July. Two Thousand and two Susan floors finally files a restraining order against Dennis. The declaration reads quote defendant. Dennis man is an individual who has taken a personal interest in the disappearance of Kristin smart and has conducted a self-styled investigation into the matter and has done so with increasing aggressiveness and and hostility as evident by his efforts and a website. He maintains the defendant is simply consumed with his investigation notwithstanding the fact that he apparently has no official capacity. The defendant reportedly a bears. No relationship with the family of Kristin smart never knew her and in fact lived three thousand miles away from San Luis Obispo and the smart family at the time of the disappearance be works for no law enforcement. Agency and sea possesses possesses no license education nor specialized training to conduct investigations. The defendant is physically imposing person his persistent appearances in the lives of my family members and myself his attempts to incite physical action against us either involving others or himself and his threats have continued harassment. I an escalating efforts in that regard has placed us in a state of vigilance and created great. Distress in our personal lives a a month later. A judge orders. Dennis to stay fifty yards away from Susan Flora's Paul Ruben. Susan's Boyfriend Mike. McConnell Paul Sister Erma Linda Linda and her husband undeterred. Dennis moves his campaign north to the CAL poly campus where marches with a huge sign. That reads dig. Dig Up Susan Flora's yard and a notebook to collect signatures for a petition. Local news doesn't know what to make of him. He's referred to as an amateur sleuth and a strange Samaritan in articles. Reporters can't seem to make sense of Dennis with one piece in the slow tribune describing him as crazy and bizarre czar and he's regarded with strong suspicion because he hasn't asked the smarts for any money and no one can figure out why he's doing this all in the name of a girl he never ever even knew. His methods are certainly unorthodox hosting treasure hunts for buried cash and drawings that. Use the name of Paul's gas station co workers but it's effective his facebook group fine. Kristen smart currently has ninety six hundred members who still discuss the case regularly. Dennis becomes a thorn in the sheriff's Department side to particularly Steve Bolts. Who is the lead detective on the case and will later be named undersheriff earth when Dennis Questions Bolts about why Susan Flora's backyard wasn't dug up in two thousand to fulfill the Warrant Bolts apparently tells them that investigators took a vote food and while he voted in favor of dig? The majority decided that digging up the concrete would be too costly. I say apparently because once finish Finnish shares this information on son of Susan DOT COM bolts denies. Ever having said it so you can decide who you believe. Bolts claims the search warrant didn't authorize a dig and the vote taken was whether or not to apply for a second warrant to do so so Dennis e mails the F. B. I. Agent who wrote the Warrant Orange and the agents response which Dennis proudly displays on his website to this day reads quote the first warrant authorized to dig. I know This because I provided most of the Info for the warrant. I forced the warrant. Skeptical Police Force. I was told the officers present. Did Not want to pay you for repairs in case the search turned up nothing. That was a lost opportunity. That was a lost opportunity. Meanwhile for every every year that passes without the case being closed Paul. Flora's is continuing to live fairly normal life and meeting women southern California who have no idea who he she is. One woman who I spoke to recently even dated Paul for a few years and might be the only real girlfriend. He's ever had looking looking back now. She feels like all the signs were right in front of her and on more than one occasion. That Paul was on the verge of confessing. Something big my dated Paul early in my twenties. He seems like a nice person in the beginning there was something always odd about him and his family. There was always lots of lots of secrets. He didn't have very many friends. He drank too much. He was physically and verbally abusive. It's just not somebody WANNA be around. His parents were paying his bills. His Dad said so. This is the girl that you're spending all your money on and paying for or dinner. Why don't you make her pace? And that was the first time I met his debt There were times where he was obviously intoxicated and he very often would tell me he had something he has to say but he was so intoxicated. That couldn't really never got an answer. It's he always said he had something to tell me. I thought it was like he was being unfaithful. I was just like what you have to tell me. And then he would always like to pass out and never tell oh me. There's a couple instant foods when he was drinking and stuff like we were horse playing. And then he took it to the next level and he had like a butter knife and held it to my neck and I was screaming and my roommate actually kick down the door to make him stop and seeing being in experiencing the things that I experienced. I very much thank he is capable of it. He's a liar he's an alcoholic. I know he never did it in front of me or in the presence of me but I knew in the past there might have been drugs. Drugs Drugs and alcohol mixed together. I absolutely think something happened. And he was a very big part of it from experience. There was many incidents where he got intoxicated around family and friends and would just exhibit really odd behavior. He was really inappropriate with a lot of my friends and family. When talks gated weather somebody helped them or not? I don't know I think maybe the parents do play a part in it. They are pretty active in his life. They pay for everything for him. But I do think that the parents know something and they're very close lipped with with information that they do have they. Don't let anybody in. We went to his mom's house and we walked around the neighborhood. I even remember saying. Oh why did someone put this huge billboard right next to your mom's house the Kristin smart one and I remember that really like who would do that. That's so rude and I never knew anything until afterwards which I didn't know the story. But she said that her backyard got Dell got because they were remodeling they never mentioned. It was because of a police investigation but that was a very short visit. It was not comfortable at all When we broke up I had got my first laptop on my own and I was really excited and I googled everything? I started googling all my exes and when I googled his name all the Kristin smart stuff came up and uh-huh Kinda everything fell into place and made sense and when I called my family and told them they earn in agreement with me that something was always like odd about him off but they respected me enough never to say anything in front of me but the bay could see the thing that the pieces lining up to kind of made sense. Even when we broke up he had called me. Obviously he was either drinking or had something to tell me he was crying but I heard his mom in the background. Tell him to to hang up the phone. Paul hang up that phone so I never found out what it was that he hadn't told me in two thousand five. The central coast plays host to one of the biggest media trials in history when Michael Jackson is charged with molesting a minor and the proceedings are held at the Santa Barbara County Superior Court in Santa. Maria cameras are on every street corner and Dennis Man. Is there for it with a a huge banner now held up by two symbolic shovels which reads dig up. Susan Flora's yard say fifty yards away. No problem I'll I'll just stay sixty yards away so I had a big banner big signs that Jacob Susan Boy George's walking around town and make sure that I was more than fifty yards away and I got arrested anyway more than once. He's arrested in February after he walks by the real estate office where Susan is working part time which he claims claims not to know and then he spends twenty days in jail. That may during the nine year anniversary of Kristen's disappearance Dennis's a pest but a pest with a point years or passing and the smart family still doesn't know where their daughter is. Paul Flora's hasn't talked and this is just two thousand five. If you're here in twenty nineteen with me you know that fourteen years later neither of those things have changed. So what can we. As concerned citizens citizens do. Are we supposed to sit idly by as law enforcement assures us that they're actively working on this case even as two thousand to two thousand three two thousand four two thousand five and beyond pass without a resolution but it doesn't sit well with Dennis Man could he we city council. My name is Dennis Man. I'm from Charlotte North Carolina a little far away from home tonight and I'm here representing family interests of the Kristin smart and assume that everybody here is very familiar with her for those. Who Do not know Chris Maher was she was a cal? Poly Freshmen. Nine hundred ninety six in the evening of May Twenty Fifth Nineteen Ninety six. She disappeared and six years later. The San Luis Obispo Court declared Kristen legally deceased the police have identified. Paul Ruben Flora's as is the prime suspect in the case and tonight in Tennessee and we have Paul's mother Susan and her boyfriend. Mike McConville the reason. Why I'm here tonight is on May twenty? Fifth is going to be nine years and everybody in this room agrees nine years is just too long. There's not really anything. Specific the mayor the city council can do but I just think it's important for Kristen's memory that her name be spoken in this chamber tonight. In June two thousand police got a search horn. Pick on Susan. Floors is property to look for Kristen or items belonging to her. They used ground penetrating radar the FBI. Told Mr Mrs Smart said there were some anomalies in the backyard and so the results were inconclusive. So the reason why you see me around town right now at the sinus dig up. Susan Flora's backyard is hoping that law enforcement can get a second search warrant. The floor is not like the fact that I'm in town but I have a standing offer spin up there for years that they will waive the Fifth Amendment agreed to cooperate with the San Luis Obispo. Sheriff's Department answer all their questions to their satisfaction. Then I will show my website down. I'll shred that banner and I'll go back to North Carolina the same night Vine Laura. I just the name of Kristin smart needs to be spoken in this chamber. There's nothing specific you guys can do. But you are the powers that be in this community and it means a lot to Mrs Smart just just to say her name in front of you. That's about all I have. Thank you for giving me the opportunity speaker tonight. Thank thank you for your comment. An after the town hall was over. I said I went to go. Get my sign and this surprise me. They didn't escort me back. They said Oh you just go back there and get it. It's no problem. Just go back there. So what back down that hallway by myself and I walk into the conference room in the back and guess what I see. I see the police treat that I was just talking to. I see I see Mike Macondo. But here's what they weren't sitting at the desk. They were lean back. One of those five hundred our government chairs lean back and had to speed up on the chair next around the table to take him out back to shoot shits and as soon as I walked in they saw me and the snap to attention and I just looked at him and said Oh this explains a lot. I got my son walking right back outside. That's a true story. Dennis continues to update son of Susan regularly early until August. Two thousand five. When in the turn of all turns Susan Flora's and Mike maccagnan Ville file a lawsuit against Stan and Denise smart the suit charges that Dennis's acting at the behest of the smart family and that stand denise are therefore legally and financially responsible label for the flora's family severe emotional distress and lost income? It's a devastating blow to the smart family. Who still don't know where their daughter water is? And who have no agency over Dennis Man. But there's a small silver lining as part of the discovery proceedings. The suit opens opens up Susan. Flora's and Mike mccarville to having their yard searched again to prove whether or not Dennis's harassment is actually unwarranted. The smarts attorney Marc Connelly negotiates with the Flora's attorney without the involvement of the sheriff's department. They fly in ground penetrating radar expert from Denver Denver Colorado and on March thirty first two thousand seven. He meticulously combs the concrete. He finds a few anomalous features that he can't identify defy and no tastes the locations. When he's finished he flies back to Denver and a few months passed? Before the smarts attorney is able to negotiate having a small portion of the concrete excavated to follow up on some of the anomalies on May twenty second accrue digs up the concrete and the next day the Santamaria Times runs an article. That begins eleven years after Cal Poly Freshman Kristin smart disappeared. Her family has finally ruled out. One of the long rumored word locations of her body when I read this article last fall. I almost stopped my research right there. Denise Smart is quoted as saying there's a a sense of relief that the backyard is now crossed off. But what denise doesn't know what the time is that. The excavation crew wasn't given permission to dig up certain certain parts of the yard including there was a six foot by three foot planter that was filled with plants rocks based on our agreements with the attorneys unease. We could not alter or get into that planter so that was not able to be searched by GP are and that was of some concern to us. That's Brinda Gillan a journalist who was present for the entire ground penetrating radar search in March. Two thousand seven and who took meticulous notes for an article. She was writing thing. About Professor Laurence Conyers the radar operator notes. which she's kept if you don't mind I'll just kind of read through these? This is kind of the rundown of what I thought. Were the salient details. We spent all day in Susan Floors Yard if people present their according according to my notes were me Larry Conyers Marc Connelly a videographer. Whose name I do not know to help her? Also present were Susan. Flora's her boyfriend. And Ruben Flores. It was a tiny yard on a hill that the yard was nearly completely covered in concrete. The Yard Yard was very cluttered with tools furniture and debris all of that had to be moved multiple times throughout the day so that the ground penetrating radar search for get a clear view of what was underneath. Initially there were three areas of interest that Larry found that he called Anomalous Melissa Features and two features of higher interest. One near the planter and one nearby. There's no conclusion on whether a body he is buried there. I think it's possible that it could've been missed. The investigation was bungled so badly that I believe it was a month months before any real law enforcement was brought in it was Two thousand seven which was eleven years after her disappearance. That professor professor conyers and I were there in that time. I think it might be reasonable to assume that had it body ever been in that location it could have been moved the other thing that is not in my notes but I recall very clearly. Is that Susan Florez wanted. It doesn't make it known that she wasn't afraid that we were going to find anything But Rhythm Flora's was quite frightening to me. He was watching us very intently. Really the entire day we could see him looking at us from inside the house my gut feeling is the people who know where Kristin smart in our Paul floors and Ruben Flores after our conversation Brinda e mails me literally hundreds of photos that were taken that day which shows Susan's backyard in detail. After a year of research it's a level of insight that I never thought I would have. I sent an email to professor laurence conyers the ground penetrating radar operator just to see if he'd be willing to talk and to my surprise he tells me He'd love to what. What should I call you? Dr Loren Layer. You can call me Larry. And so why did they reach out to you as well as the guy wrote all the books on US Larry's not speaking figuratively. He's the author of several textbooks on ground penetrating radar and has degrees in geology. Geophysics anthropology. He he's separated the patio into grids and then scan the sections in two D before rendering them in three D on a portable monitor. We'd be like mowing the lawn back and enforce back and forth back and forth with a an a radar antenna that is very high resolution and there was like a port patios recall. And I've got a I've got some pictures and a map of it someplace and there was a a some planting beds events and not much else so essentially every bit of area in the backyard. That was open enough for us to move around in we collected radar data except he wasn't able to search everywhere. Remember the side of the house where it meets the driveway. The spot where the lassiter family kept their trash cans were cadaver. Dogs reacted in March of ninety seven. Susan Flora's had a garage built on top up in that spot in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. There was supposition that the garage floor have been poured since since the abduction or since the disappearance will cost and so we attempted to get the mother to clean a bunch of the trash out of the garage. As I recall it was a trailer of some sort and we actually pulled a trailer out of the garage but then it was stacked up with boxes and other stuff stuff like that that we couldn't get them to move and so I did collect radar data inside the garage and and what we found was that when when they poured the concrete in the garage they put wire Mesh in has reinforcing in it and that really distorted the radar waves. We were getting nothing substantial through that wire mesh so he wasn't able to read through the garage floor and he wasn't able to search the soil planter boxes the ones that were cut out of the concrete in the summer of Nineteen ninety-six before the lassiter family moved in because they were up against just the retaining wall and surrounded by brick scalloping that made it impossible to fit his antenna in them. And Susan wouldn't give permission to alter them He. He also explained to me that ground penetrating radar can't exactly see through concrete like an x ray and it certainly can't image something like a skeleton and you don't get reflections elections up phones. I've never seen anybody ever show any results where bones themselves would produce radar reflections because the bone chemistry and the bone mineralogy way it retains water is not that different than the surrounding ground around and therefore it does not give contracts like we would hope what it does is show where parts of the soil have been disturbed spots lots were the earth was dug down into and then refilled and he does find a few spots like that under the concrete and so up against that retaining wall we found a trench. That was small. It wasn't the size of human body. It was maybe two feet long and half a foot wide or something like that and we found one or two little point sources that would have been buried pieces of junk. I don't know what beer camps or who knows what and that was all. We found in the backyard. Larry used a nine hundred megahertz antenna. And when I tell him that the first search of Susan's junkyard us. Two Hundred Megahertz. He's appalled the first radar operator. Might as well have been using a lawnmower and the west side out of the house where the first radar operator noted pieces of broken concrete and dirt stains against the wall on the fence. Larry wasn't able to search there for some reason which he can't recall. Actually you know what I think I we. You know. If you're really into this you should just we should just hang up and and call me back in ten minutes and let me pull out my notes. Absolutely no word I know where to find those. Okay okay We're going to hang up and let me go down to my archive and find those field notes. Call me call me back in ten minutes you got it thank you. Yeah Yeah I found my note. this was March thirty first. Two Thousand Seven East branch street which these dress. You probably knows already. I'm I'm looking at the the map of the backyard on the north side of the house. There was a closet of built onto the north side of the House House and then there was also a kind of a ramshackle laundry room that was built on the northeast side of the House House and then there was a little area in between the laundry room garage that was a poured concrete patio. The the story was that it had been there ever since the house was built and then there was the garage in the garage was to the east of the House and end it. Projected all the way to the north right up to the property line in the backyard. There were four planters planters. There were up against the North Wall along North Wall. There was a long planter and and then there were three smaller planters. Were about a foot and a half square or so that had stuff growing in them. There were right up against the concrete wall but these antennas are such that you you know. You can't go right against the wall because the antennas is our wide themselves. For some reason we never collected data on the west side of the house between the wood fence in the house. And I can't say why why and and by the way my notes also shows that that that garage I only went right down the middle of the garage. Gosh this is what my memory was that you were talking about but my memory was right that we couldn't do the side of the garage because it was just stuff packed in there so in answer to your question did we do the whole thing. The answer is no. We didn't do the west of the house. The the west side of the house was definitely not served and the whole garage. I'm still interested in and if people really are wanting to take another stab at it the way to do it would be to actually move all that crap out of the garage and then to use the equipment that actually looks through the wire mesh the floor which is only been invented in the last few years anyway that helped so the west side of the yard where the lassiter family her to watch alarm beeping. Every night was not searched. The six foot by three foot. Planter box couldn't be searched and the east side of the yard where Mary Lassiter found an earring. And where a metal trash can had been stored by Ruben Florez until he came and removed it the same spot where cadaver dogs showed interest in nineteen ninety-seven there was a garage. Built right on top of it which also could not be properly searched in a follow up email. I ask Larry to clarify his professional opinion on the status of Susan's backyard. And he replies with this I I have learned much about. GP Our interpretation complex areas such as the backyard in garage with all the metal and looking at my report. I can now see some other things things that perhaps could be investigated based on what I've learned about. GP are in the last five years. Or so I found the report and all my original data just in case something moves along on this. He also reminds me in our phone. Call that the only reason that any of this happened is because Susan Flora's and and Mike McConville sued the smart family. The only reason we were able to do anything there was because of the loss of that opened them that up to discovery. And that's what allowed us into the backyard. The Flora's family suing the smart family led to a partial dig of Susan Flora's backyard the Flora's family sued sued the smart family because of an unrelenting pizza delivery driver from North Carolina. I always wanted to something big in my life to this day. Susan Flora's backyard on East Branch Street has never been completely dug up or officially cleared in two thousand twelve son of Susan Dot com goes off line and Dennis Man's new website is even more direct. DIG UP THE YARD DOT COM which he still runs today and Dennis argument for doing so as simple. SHERIFF'S INVESTIGATORS HAD A warren written by the FBI to search anywhere they suspected Kristen's body or her belongings could be and by choosing not to dig up the concrete. Whatever their reasons might have been? They disobeyed the order and allowed allowed the warrant to expire. He wants it dug up on principle. The cops are to reasonably search anywhere. There's a reasonable expectation. Listen that Ebonics may locate. I got an email from the FBI wrote to warn. Tell me the first warrant authorising big. They didn't want to do because they'd have to pay for repairs of Chris wasn't seen that's only yeah. You wrote to warn ignore that. I can't do it Chris. I can't can't ignore and emotional now. They got to go do it. They don't get to do it I don't think she's there ooh listening to your own backyard episode for son of Susan. Your own backyard is written produced and hosted. Chris Lambert associate producer is Alexandra Wallace special. Thanks to Dennis Man. Peter King Nicholas Alles Wintry Candice Vendor Place. Derek Payne Jamie Lewis Garin Sinclair Sandy. Arnold April Wurley Kerry quimby Elissa Brigham Keelan Sydney Bryant Livia de Janeiro Dallas Bronson Giovanna Nicola and Matthew Frank If you feel that that you have information that could help law enforcement with their investigation. You can directly contact. San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Detectives at Eight. Oh five seventy one forty I. Five hundred WANNA reach out to us directly send an email to your own backyard. PODCAST AT G MAIL DOT COM or visit is it our website at your own backyard. CAST DOT COM to keep up with new episodes. Subscribe to your own backyard hard on apple podcasts and follow us on facebook or instagram. Original Music is by Chris. Lambert WanNa help keep Kristen's memory alive you can donate to the Kristin Smart Scholarship at Kristin Smart Dot Org a note from the smart family statute of limitations in this case has expired on everything except murder. anyone who comes forward with information will not be charged with any crime ooh.
The Book Signing From Outer Space
"I'm Chris Keppler and welcome to does this happen to you. I'm an actor voice actor audiobook narrator and writer I love telling and sharing stories about the strange experiences my friends that I have while l. doing mundane things like grocery shopping. That's why this podcast features funny stories from fantastic writers about our daily anomalies a micro audio book about life in befuddle men just for you our our story. This week is from white feather who you'll find on medium DOT COM and here is the book signing from Outer Space. I never saw it coming in the year so long ago. When I worked in the corporate the Book Industry I hosted a lot of book signings then years later when I owned my own bookstore I hosted many many more book signings? I do not know the exact number but overall I have hosted hundreds of book signings out of all those book signings. I am going to tell you about only one. I call it the book signing from Outer Space It blew every other book signing out of the water I a._M.. A BONA FIDE book freak. I am also a writer and author of several books. It is only natural that I help out my fellow book freaks and authors in any way that I can hey. We've got to stick together right. So one day a young fella his late twenties came into my bookstore introducing himself as Christopher O'Brien he said that he had just had his very first book published and that he would like to have his very first book signing signing at my store. If anyone ever came into my bookstore saying something like that they immediately had my attention and support and enthusiasm like I said I support authors but I was is also a businessman book. Signings are a very important part of running a bookstore. They may be lucrative or they might be a bust but they are an event know. Bookstores are successful without events. I ask Mr O'Brien is book was about he replied U._F._O.'s. I heard a teeny tiny voice way in the back of my Noggin. Say Oh shit. Luckily that voice had no impact impact on my face. I smiled. He elucidated slightly. It's a book about U._F._O.. Sightings in the San Luis Valley one of the Highest Alpine deserts in the world. The San Luis Valley is known <unk> as the headwaters of the Rio Grande River located between the Sun Glade They Cristo Mountains to the East and the San Juan Mountains to the West it can be freakishly cold in the winter and mildly warm in the summer. It has one of the most incredible amounts of mind-blowing mountain vistas anywhere it is an outrageously beautiful place. The San Luis Valley happened to be only about forty miles south of the town where my bookstore store was located. I had a lot of customers who drove up to my bookstore from the San Luis Valley because at the time there was no bookstore in the San Luis Valley. My Bookstore was the closest bookstore to civilization. It the San Luis Valley is also the home to a Tibetan Buddhist monastery and retreat not a common thing in America. I will always remember when they're white van would pull up in front of my bookstore and all the a hedge shaven Buddhist monks in their saffron robes would pile out and come into my bookstore to shop that was always a good day at the bookstore because they always seem to have a lot of money to spend on books and incense. I happen to have one of the largest selections of Incense and by far the most extensive collection of Buddhist books in a five hundred mile radius. I'm not stupid. The San Luis Valley also happens to have the highest percentage per capita of homebase solar energy production in America according to a survey from a few years ago the sun shines. They're a lot the San Luis valley also happens to be hotbed. What bit of new age activity Shirley maclaine used to visit there regularly in the early nineteen eighties on more than one occasion? I have heard the valley referred to as rule valley. Perhaps most most importantly the San Luis Valley is considered as perhaps the hottest hotbed of U._F._O.. Activity in the world for some reason the E.. T.'s really like this place. There is even a tourist attraction called U._F._O.. Vo Watch Tower that voice in the back of my noggin disappeared I was all ears. Christopher gave me the number of his rep at Saint Martin's press. I was glad to hear that he was published by them I. I did a lot of business with that publisher and knew a few people there. We agreed on a date for his book signing and the wheels went into motion at that point in time the most successful book signing I had at my bookstore sold ninety four books the average though was between thirty and fifty books that was pretty good for a little bookstore in a little town out in the middle of the freaking boonies. I had one book signing that only sold four books and one of those books was bought by me. It was a total hit or miss proposition when I talked to Christopher O'Brien's Rep. She told me that they were very high on this book. They were convinced that it would be a huge seller her. They published it as an original mass-market pocket paperback for something like six dollars ninety nine cents. She offered to send me six cases of books with free shipping. I wouldn't have to pay a penny for thirty days. I only had to pay for what sold and the rest I could send back at their expense plus. She offered an eighty twenty percent advertising share. If I spent a hundred dollars in advertising they would spend four hundred dollars. I was flabbergasted. I had never been offered such an incredible deal. I had no idea I would come up with a hundred bucks for advertising but I immediately agreed Oh hell she said why don't I send you eight. Cases uses what the <hes> eight cases of how many are in a case forty-eight doing some impromptu math. I realized that she would be sending me close to four hundred books. My most successful book-signing only sold ninety four books. I had a foreboding feeling luckily that feeling proved to be wrong. The day of the book signing came and I had the bookstore all set up. There was a table full of hundreds. Words of Christopher O'Brien's book people were directed to buy a copy then stand in line at the table where Christopher was signing the books. I was not even remotely mentally prepared for the onslaught lines formed that is not something that happens in a little bookstore in a little town in the middle of no fucking wear at one point there was a line from the front door to the front counter full of people waiting to buy the book there was another another line waiting to meet Christopher and have him sign his book and there was another line outside of the bookstore consisting of fifty to seventy people waiting in line just to get in the freaking bookstore. This is something I imagine only happening in big cities or in movies. It was way beyond mind-blowing. There was a line from the front door of my bookstore stretching down the block. It was surreal mind you at this this point in my life. I had never seen a U._F._O.. I was neither pro nor con in relation to U._F._O.'s to be honest. I didn't really care but I quickly learned that there are a whole lot of people who do care as people people bought their copy of the book and a waited to have it signed. They felt utterly compelled to tell me their U._F._O.. Story and they all had won. Many of them had several stories. I heard more U._F._O.'s stories that day day then I've heard all my life and enough to supply me with several lifetimes of U._F._O.. Stories I was inundated. My head was turned. There was no way so many people could have so many U._F._O.. Stories. His without there being some credence to it. Every story was told with such vehement conviction that I felt I was some attendee at some worldwide trial. There was obviously only one conclusion it turned out to be the most successful book signing I ever had we completely sold out of the book at an hour and a half we took names and numbers of those who didn't get a copy promising to reorder and get them a copy as soon as possible Sibal we sold three hundred eighty four copies and after we sold out regardless of around one hundred fifty people who we promised to order a copy for it was the most outrageous book signing I've ever been a part of as Christopher O'Brien left. He was mobbed like he was some kind of beatle or something and it was his very first book and his very first book signing high was so fucking jealous as an author. I have also also participated in book sightings. Were I was the author. The most books I've sold in a book signing was forty seven when I got home that night. My wife turned to me and ask so how did he go. I looked at her very sternly and replied. I don't ever want to hear another U._F._O.. Story again for the rest of my life her eyebrows what halfway up her forehead her jaw dropped Omanthai. How did the book signing go? I smiled. It went to fucking tastic in subsequent years. I have occasionally thought man. I should write a book of U._F._O.. Stories maybe that could pay my rent for a month for two or three but alas I cannot do that. I still have never seen a U._F._O.. In my life I don't have any U._F._O.. Stories all I have is this Lousy U._F._O.. Book signing story thanks.
Recommendations & Season 4 Starts August 9th
"<music> hey everyone this is Stephanie. I want to give you another recommendation episode. That's where I tell you about more episodes from my other podcasts that came out this week and some flashbacks to who episodes from the other three podcasts in my four podcast world yes. I'm involved in four podcasts. I am that crazy. This episode is the exact same on all of the podcast late. You'll hear it on this week so you only need to listen to one of them. I am starting a beginning podcasters podcasters online to our one time workshop in the fall email me to get more information on that also I am offering content creators who I listen to and watch and things like that free spots on the podcast so when you hear those no those are not paid. Those are just people that I really like what they're doing and I think it's connected to what is happening in that episode. Also I'm offering myself up to the world and I'm doing that in the form of voice over action. Oh you've got it if you or anyone you yeah no needs a voiceover talent for any short or long experience. I now have a profile a very work in progress profile but a profile at voices dot com. It's voices with an S. forward. Slash actors forward Slash Steph Puccio J. O. S. T. E. P. H.. Don't worry I'll have it in the show notes for you but I do want you to know that my voices for sale yeah that feels a little weird but I've always wanted to do it and now the Internet has exploded in a way to make it very easily accessible to do it and I actually have all the equipment because I've accumulated all kinds of equipment while podcasting so there's that so enough about money. Let's get to the audio goodness that you're here for this week. We have a new episode on the creatively complicated podcast with my co-host ghost writer Summer Rylander in this podcast we dive into the message of our own creative process in this episode we focus on doing more and doing was essentially realizing that we need to change creative productivity places. It does tasking out our creative process. Help us do more and improve our craft <hes>. I don't know have a listen. Let us know what you think again. We are not an advice podcast. We're trying to make sense of ourselves going back to previous episodes of changing scripts podcast. I I WANNA highlight writer Germy Tiang. Germany was kind enough to sit down with me when he was visiting Shanghai last year to clarify Germany is not just a writer. He's also a translator and playwright words or what he uses to share his ideas about the world and all of it then B._Q.. ity He addresses issues of identity culture and boundaries of what we think these things mean and boy. Is there a lot of leeway in that his upbringing in Singapore was multicultural and yet it was not lower we primarily explore floor Germany's language experiences from his early childhood to the present day but those cultural tones are impossible to remove from language so we didn't even try and that was extremely fun conversation to have Germany is incredibly incredibly thoughtful will and clear another flashback episode. I'd like to highlight is the virtual experts podcast with my former student from Hanoi Vietnam who is currently an established artist now living in my birthplace of New York City and then that's episode sixty six. We explore her geographic movement from Vietnam to the U._S. affected her online experience on is an artist. She's a visual artist and she has a strong online presence that she has very carefully curated did for both professional and personal usages just like most of us. She did things early on in her online experiences that she had to pull back from and really really ask. Do I want the world to see this. Do I want to put this post. This picture this idea out into the world and sometimes the answer is yes and sometimes the answer was no but after the fact we've all been there and how long talks about it is just so delicate and respectful and really thoughtful. I have to admit I have a lot of <hes> of teacher joy and pride in this. It's hard for me not to see on as the student that I met her as as I talked to her in her prison day state so when I'm looking at her when I'm hearing her. It because I did a video call with her so when I saw her in the video call and talk to her I had to Aung sitting in front of me. I had the one that I saw the potential of in the classroom and I know this sounds cheesy but it's so true and then I have who she he is now probably three because then I can kind of get a glimpse of who she's probably going to become and so it's it's double or triple vision but all of it is lovely. I really really suggests that you listened to that. Episode Sixty six of ritual ex-pats pat's if you are crazy enough to host one two three or four of your own podcast. I do have to mention that I have a pod bean affiliate code. You get a discount. I get a discount. It basically works out for everybody involved so just go to pod being dot com forward slash virtual ex-pats. Don't forget the again you do benefit from that referral code. Finally bookish experts podcast has a brand new episode starting off season for next Friday July twenty six China time my keep calling it panda time 'cause painters oh Q. I know it's stereotypical but I don't care and for those of you living in North America that would be Thursday July twenty s twenty fifth Nicole Palazzo from the Expat cast podcast which is hard to stay but wonderfully easy to listen to we'll be talking to us about a certain book that helped her adjusted Germany after she moved there for love and actually the book itself has a love theme going to so that's a nice little connection action. I didn't think of when there you go one more quick note for Bookish ex Pat. We've been advertising for a couple months all over social media now and in the Intros and whatnot that touch on I was going to join us and it's just not gonNa work out we adore touch on it and we hope that she's still listens and contributes to the podcast so I will be flying so low for season four which starts next week and goes until December all of the four podcast that I'm talking about. We'll be back to normal at August virtual experts podcast and creative the complicated. We'll have two episodes. In August and changing scripts and bookish experts will have one if you are interested in being a guest on any of the three interview podcasts which are virtual experts changing scripts podcasts and bookish experts podcast. Please do contact me and we'll sort out the details on that. I'd love to have you on as a guest your voice your ideas your impressions your experiences. I would love to help. Tell your story in a lovely audio way speaking of audio I do have to mention <hes> because people keep asking me about my bike. I am using a Samsung Cutie Essay M. S. O. N.. Not Samsung the mobile maker and I am taking a tip from fellow podcast or most civil of the most simple podcast and I am feeding eating it this week through my focus right mixer see I told you I bought equipment to do these podcasts and so if it sounds a little different it's because I'm playing with the different equipment that I have to see what the best experience for your ears is so so if you ever notice something sounds better than other things. Please do feel free to let me know and I will keep doing that more than the other stuff. Will I stop experimenting probably not but there you go and we thank you so much for any and all of the podcast episodes that you listen to you guys spoil me rotten with your downloads and comments and I cannot say stop I would never say stopped up I would say keep ago and because it is a lovely thing to have you included in these conversations again. I can be found on every every bit of social media that I'm aware of at S.. T. E. P. H. F. U. C. C. I o.. That STEPH FUJIO DOT is my name. Also the music that you've been hearing in the back of this episode we have switched songs. It is still Damon Custodio from the mess of me album but this one is called body blues. You've been hearing the instrumental. We're going to play the complete song at the end of this episode when I'm done talking but I wanted to give you a little bit more information on Damon I he is kind enough to allow allow us to use his music. In this podcast I went to school in San Luis Obispo California one of the highlights of being in that place was being able to hear Damon and his band play. I kid you not that is how he is on this podcast. I contacted him and said. I love your music. Yeah and we went from there so thank you Damon for that. If you are lucky enough to live in or have access to get to until California here are some dates that are coming up on his summer tour on August second he will be in San Luis Obispo at concerts shirts in the plaza and August thirty first. He'll be at Indian Summer Concerts Sea Pines Golf resort in Los OSOS and on September Seventh Cottonwood Canyon Winery Santa Maria California yeah so again. All of his information is available at Damon Custodio Dot Com. Thank you so much and you know what here's Damon. They say that you'd never see just APP. You Life can be Zach had to make a car. You say you never seen yourself. Pat On just here and there when you standing in your underwear good thing that's always can breed room A._M.. And then sweet that's why he so choose your day blue no question. The good bad day blue okay. Thanks you WANNA be free. Shackles booze quasi nestle working men. I have to bring in Tokyo. That's why he choose that that your bad day blooms uh no mean question laugh say good bad day boobs you can see just gone <hes> question the bad blue <music>.
December 2nd 2019
"I want you to do the whole do the whole thing smells here. It is Monday and it is December second and it's exciting. It's amazing it's incredible. It's cool Tommasi. What no tell them how to get on this show? I don't know how you got on this show. Goodness this is not the show your own. I'm so fortunate to be your. Thanks for having me on the on the the shortest in derision of all of the shows that we have in the talking Tesla family family of show family network of show host family network. We're network of show network of shows. Okay so it's a network at work shows. We have the big show this the patriot. Show the daily show. `sometimes alive youtube shows. That was a good one by English. Cyber Truck City. We always always bringing it. I was camping. It was ten degrees during cyber truck reveal hand. Did you watch you know because I was in the mountains with no no uh-huh star Starlink yet. It's not going to change your life. I can see starlink up there. Everybody can see the astronomers note. Happy maybe yeah. Whatever all right? So you're going to get sterling and then you'll never not be connected and that's the problem. That's okay I mean you'll have to make the I'll have to be strong and make the choice to not connect but what are we going to talk about today on this auspicious. Ilan daily wanted to mention. I wanted to mention my my favorite topic which is super charging. What yes? Oh it's weird coming out of a holiday weekend Thanksgiving everyone's favorite holiday with Turkey and stuffing and the religious and the eating and the and the pies pies appeal the potatoes. I love the appeal. The the apples love apropos. Yeah Yeah I was a member of the cooking crew. So what do you WanNa talk about. You WanNa talk about supercharging and holiday travel. There is a video. What on Tesla Roddick Somebody's pulling up to the San Luis Obispo supercharging. One of those superchargers. I'll go to a lot. You're a fan of that one and there were at least he's fourteen or fifteen cars in a row waiting for superior that's a lot. How many outlets to San Luis Obispo have? Has I believe currently twelve although they just added four V. Three superchargers. I don't know if they're open yet. We'll ask Robert because he knows everything about all righty but it was a problem. People were waiting very long time. So how long do you think the fifteenth person in line had to wait before they got to the now our thinking hours each one. Yes it's so. It's basically an entire site plus well say hours because he's what happens is you you get you one hundred and twenty five hundred and fifty kilowatt today when everybody's using it. You get a bit sixty because I've been there and the situation many times it's a problem. It gets overwhelmed. It's not a a three doesn't have dedicated three or in the S. This is in the S. Three doesn't doesn't well. It does matter because the charge rate is a little bit like two miles purchase. It was who is waiting. There was a series of threes. And all that stuff okay but then you know what happened this story which is disastrous. Terrible horrible even has a happy ending. Would you like to know the happy ending. I would love to know the happy. I think that's why I'm here to hear the happy ending. 'cause I love wow look at that magically credibly Wrigley what wonderfully comes with a truck. WHAT NOT TESLA truck? Just a truck truck and on the back of this trade mega charge mega mega mega battery. Pack that's cool and that attached to this mega veteran eight eight bulbs eight count them. That door closing is Robert. I I look because one side of the truck shows one two three four five and then I'm thinking six seven one eight nine ten but let's call it eight school at ten okay. Let's call ten. Let's call animated ten and a mega pack. which is one hundred kilowatt hours? No one thousand thousand more than that. I think it's three thousand fifty thousand. Let's call it. We don't anyway. They said they could charge one hundred cows at one hundred twenty five kilowatts the time time that it took to get people now charging with all the other charges it with a plus. These ones that they brought on the back of a truck went from hours to minutes minutes waiting on on and then the gentleman who was on the trucks it and win it empties. We drive it down the road. We plug it into one hundred. Twenty what amperage thing thing at the house Philip again in Seventeen Day. Four hundred trickle charging no I think they just like hit it with lightning or a tesla coil or something to fully recharge that cool. It's this Tesla Roddy article. You can see this thing. It's wonderful I was wrong. It is only eight because there aren't a chargers on the other side of it so you see one two three four five six seven eight you or one hundred percent percent correct about your number initial number of eight so this imagine this world rate. I'm imagining we're going into the future. Do to test their electric Kabq semi trailer. It looks like there's a little room on this. You gotta put to those megachurches on their. Let's we're in the future who knows exactly and so when it's a busy holiday time and you know that you're GonNa have to have Lots more charging at some of these areas. You just pull up the truck boom and do exactly what they did but you do it in an all electric equate. It's exciting. It's wonderful it's it's amazing. How very cool and you could pull it? That's Robert Roberts. Also let's Daily. We're hi it's it is doing long time. No no did your little late not it's an Eli daily daily which I'm excited. I Live Ilan daily. This is actually part of a talking telephone network over that not do that again. It was funny but let's not do it again why because it's crossovers aggressor but but imagine this way we we we so you you're thinking being in your head. This is being towed around by a semi but I'm thinking in my head as being towed around by a cyber truck. Actually I'm thinking in my head editor. It becomes its own truck. Turn their meets the eye and one hundred percent or tournaments so when it gets empty it only do that to me again when it gets hit the drives drives itself away to go and fill up and you have multiple of these just driving the freeways filling up coming over to Tesla. How many can they tune and it transforms they kaput tune them and it transforms it turns into optimus prime? It's so exciting and this is why these guys don't do Illinois. Aw everything with this. I'm I'm excited. Until Tesla Daley. Okay so this is a mega charger and then on top of it. It's just a bunch of urban chargers so it's not super fast charging. Oh but it does go. They did a hundred and twenty five kilowatts out of these puppies. According to the gentleman who was like an urban judge but it was one twenty urban chargers it doesn't look like urban can do one twenty five. That's what the demands I wonder if this is like going to signal the future like they're going to start producing these smaller form factor. Wow I just got loud. These smaller form factor. Nah charging bollards and using them to charge up to whatever two hundred three hundred. Four hundred kilowatts pretty exciting. Well we should still be on daily massive. We get is there like do you have to. I don't know I'm not on this. Show show a lot like. Is there a conclusion that I have to read. You have to do like an out tro. What is what happens now? Herber out and to buy highlighted in boys and girls. That was just a little bit of you know the Patriots edition of Talking Tesla. You should become a Patriot in the background. The boys of the they. You're listening to me to Ilan daily but we just finished the Patriot. It's very confusing. Just become a patron. You'll understand everything because patrons understand everything and I'll talk to you tomorrow.
1: How to Create a Fulfilling BA Career
"Improve yourself on a daily basis and you will become an invaluable in high-performing member of your organization. Welcome to be a blocks. The show for the motivate. Oh debate business analyst who's driven to sharpen their skills no matter where they are or what they're doing in the companies that follow Agile practices where does the role of the business analysts fit best. Should the Business San Luis be part of the SCRUM team or should it be outside the discrim team working with the product managers on identifying product logs and prioritizing user stories. That is a great question that came to us from our community member on it and that is the question that I will be providing a comprehensive answer for at the end of this episode. Now before we get into that I want to talk to you about the subject that we covered in our very first live session inside the be a block community. In that subject is the subject of career fulfillment do you have fulfillment in your career as a business analyst. And if you don't what is it going to take for you to have have or to achieve for from in your career. Now before we can even have the conversation around career fulfillment we have to really define what fulfillment it means and in the live session. I gave a very simple litmus test that I use to decide whether I have that fulfillment in my own career and my litmus test really has to do with those first few moments When I wake up early in the morning and I'm thinking about how the rest of my day is going into precede my litmus test for whether I am fulfilled in my career or not really has to do with how I feel in those first few moments do I feel like it's it's going to be a chore for Me To get through the day or do I feel that my day has challenges waiting for me that I'm willing to tackle and I'm excited to get up out of bed and to you get myself to the office to solve those challenges now? The test that I normally do is that if I'm feeling excited. More days than not than I feel like gotta have career fulfillment so if I'm feeling that way three four or sometimes even five days of the week then I know that in my career I'm a very good place and I generally feel very good about doing the work of his analysts. Now there are times that can slip down into me not feeling so good going into the office again. There is no career out there that it's perfect where you're going to be feeling challenged energized every single day the litmus test really the is. Do you feel more often than not that. You want to go into the office and you're excited about going into the office because you know you have challenges waiting for you that is how I define fulfillment in my own career. And that is the definition that I'm going to be using when I talk about how to actually achieve career career fulfillment and what factors you should take into consideration when making that calculation for yourself all using my own career as a bit of attempting to talk about this and in the lifestyle I had some graphics. I had some slides up that actually painted a time line of my own career and it showed a picture. Autograph of when I actually started to achieve career fulfillment on a consistent basis and it wasn't right at the beginning of my career came a couple of years in and so if you want to get a full picture of actually how this occurred in my own career again. I'm going to encourage you to sign up for your membership and to Head over to the group inside of our members area where we have all of the replays for the live sessions We keep all of the replays there for the members who were either not ebel to attend or for the members who are joining afterlife session happened. I would encourage you to go there and to actually watch the full one hour long. Talk that I gave on this subject subject because the graphics will help you a lot. But essentially in my own career I had achieved that level of fulfillment a few years and really the two factors. That helped me to come to a place where I was starting to feel fulfilled in my own career had to do with stress levels and with skill levels and so on the graph essentially what I showed is that there was a point in my career which the level of stress that I was experiencing in doing. The work of an analyst went went farther below the level of skill that I had built up and that is the point at which I started to consistently feel like I wanted to go into the office to do the analysis. Where now that is how fulfillment has really played itself out in my own career in the message that I wanted to get across? It was the fact that there is a point in everybody's career at which they go from a place where they are experiencing a lot of stress. Because they're sort of learning the work and they're still experiencing challenges that they have no idea how to solve to a point where they're starting to look forward to going into the office to do their work because they know that the challenges that they're going to be experiencing our enough to give them the meaning that they're looking for out of the work that they do but they are not so large that they don't know how to overcome them. So that is the main message that I wanted to get. Across about the subject active career fulfillment and so again if you have not already registered and you were not able to attend I would encourage you very heavily. To Go. And listen to that because career fulfillment again. It's one of these things that doesn't really get the attention that deserves but if you sit and really think about it is probably the single biggest biggest factor in whether you're going to continue to do the work of an analyst or not if you really think about it it makes a whole lot of sense because essentially what you're doing is the majority of the waking hours that you have in a day you're spending working at your job. And if that job Bob is not giving you the fulfillment that you actually want on a consistent basis then the quality of life that you have overall is going to be a much lower quality of life. So so the subject of career fulfillment is very important. One in it's one that I'm going to be discussing in other episodes but it is a subject that I believe does is not get the attention that it deserves and that is the reason why I've started our very first episode off on this subject now. In our live session I went into a lot. More details. Details about these specific stressors that cause analysts to Experience stress and these specific sources of skills bills. That doesn't sound should be pursuing in order to increase the skills that they have. Because again by the definition of career fulfillment that I've given career or fulfillment is really only possible at the point where your stress levels are lower than your skill levels and so it makes perfect sense for you to narrow Arrow down on both what the sources of stress are and on where the sources of skills are going to come from and to start to take specific actions that are going going to drive down your stress levels and increase your skill levels. So I'll leave that out there and I will go back to the very first question that our member member Ahmed had asked and so. I don't think I can do a better job than I did. In the live session of explaining that to you so what I will do is I will just play for you. The audio of the live session of when I answered that question so that you can get a much more. Comprehensive answer about what the role of the analyst should be given different circumstances that may exist and so the answer to that question isn't actually a simple one because there are are different answers for different situations and so given on the situation the answer is a little bit different and so played out for you now and I will see so you on the next episode. I'm an asks in the company's following agile practices at which place the role of business. Endless fits better Should be a part of the scrum team or should be be out of the scrum team in working with the product managers on identifying product logs and prioritizing user stories and again this is a perfect example of how agile runs in. How you can manage your Backlog which is which is what we're using here but the response that I gave in our community here was that just my response. I said I'm it's a great question. Generally speaking the BA should be tightly. Integrated into the SCRUM team to make sure that the developers don't have any requirements or specification related backlogs a related blocks. Sorry now I also said that this. His answer assumes that much of the pre work related to business requirements has already been completed with the product owners and managers and that the BA strictly producing and refining detailed functional specifications. At this point now if this is not the case then the answer becomes a little bit more complicated and so that's what I want to talk about I want to elaborate on that a little bit more Here because I want to explain to you what it is that I meant by that. So typically the way that every project runs is that there was a phase of the project where you define the scope and you define what the client needs are and then there is another phase of the project where the analysis work or the analyst is concerned race strictly with tailing out. What all of those different needs and features are going to be like and so whether you're running a waterfall project or an agile project does does not change that fact? And so some of the misconceptions that are out there about agile. Projects is that You don't need to do the upfront work. which is not true? So whether whether you're on ineligible project or whether you are on a waterfall project the upfront work of defining the scope of the product or the system that you're delivering needs to be done and so what I've said here in my response. Is that assuming that you've done all of that upfront. Work to define what the business need is. The analysts should be very tightly bound to the team that is delivering and building the product or the solution. Now if that is not true then the situation gets a little bit more complicated. Because what you're doing at that point is now you're starting to define the business need at the same time as your detailing out the specifications detailing out the solution and there are many projects that run that way. It can be a lot more stressful as as an analyst to do that and that's also a lot more stressful for a lot of the architects and the developers because the way that software normally gets constructed is that there is a certain amount of architecture. Work that has to be done before. A single line of code has been written and unless you know what the solution scope of the solution is the developers can't do their architecture work properly upfront. Which means that What tends to happen? Is that the coding that they do the components that they build are done without the proper architecture which makes that part of their process much much more difficult and so in an ideal situation the way you would run a project is that you would define the business need and the scope of the project upfront. You would let the system. Architects software architects do the work of architect tting building out a blueprint for the system that they are going to be delivering and then once they do that what you do. Is you start to detail out the functional specifications and handing them over to the developer. So they can do the built knowing that they've party done a big part of their architecture. Work Upfront now. On many agile projects especially if organizations are running. Agile where they you don't necessarily really understand how software is constructed at a detailed level They tend to skip that architecture fades and that is part of what creates a lot of the stress in. Ah A lot of agile projects so going back to Ahmed's question here so like I said the answer the way that I answered this as I said the answer assumes that not much of the pre work related to business requirements has already been done now if that assumption does not hold what happens. Is that you as an analyst Ju who can be tightly bound strictly to scrub team because a lot of your time and attention now is being spelled with the business to try to elicit the business needs at the same time as you're working with the scrum team to try to define the functional specifications that they're supposed to build right if the assumption holds. You've already already done. All of that. Business work work with the client. And what the business up front and now you can be very tightly bound what the scrum team to make sure that they don't have any blockages just but again if that assumption does not hold your attention is now split between the requirements work and doing the specification work all at once and that makes your life a a lot more difficult than it makes the A lot of the developers and architects life a lot more stressful and so it is very important for agile projects to make sure that they understand that. There's a certain amount of requirements work and a certain amount of system architecture. Work that happens before you even open up your backlog or before you kick into different sprints so that is the more comprehensive and Sir to understanding that and I hope that it has answered the question an fully if it has not have follow up question feel free to find its
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"Welcome tune bedded. I'm mean, see white. I'm here with Christopher wait this week. We had planned to talk amongst ourselves generally about listener questions as I've been or correspondent lately very kept adding questions about Christopher's latest hobby project, and then wondered if his partner in crime and brother Matthew would like to contribute and here we are going to be a show about the software, Chris, bro. When he was six in the hardware. Hebrew, probably mostly about this offer. Matthew when I was high. Hi, matthew. Hello. Now before we get properly started. I do want to answer one listener question from Jason. I'm going to read it out. Hi, guys, been listening to your show since may. And it's always great. Okay. This is me I love that thing. Jason your very good about explaining concepts. That are new to some people. I'm starting my first post college job as a software engineer doing embedded work. Are there any books for embedded that we are? That are a must have for instance, object oriented programmers, always have a copy of design patterns by geo f are they're equally important books for him. But it's offered site. Your podcast is great. How should we answer him? I could just plug your book. I think that's totally appropriate to Jason. I wrote a book shockingly it's called making bedded systems, which is what this podcast used to be called. I guess it was more on the nose then. And. Yeah. Design patterns for great software is the subtitle. So I think the whole design patterns is part of it. And it's for hardware. Engineers looking to write software. That's more usable. That's better. And for software engineers looking to write things closer to the harbour. Exactly what you're doing. And so I think yeah. That we should buy my book. Maybe. Like the podcast and how I explained things. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Matthew. Yeah. I'm at you glow. Good to thank you wanna show my other than knowing Chris for all his life. Pitiless about yourself. Well, I teach math during the day, and I play guitar in clubs in bars at night, that's pretty much my life pretty standard. Yeah. Truly. You are a professor of mathematics at cow Polly's Hemos Obispo, right? Yes. That's correct. So it's it's it's teaching some math. Yeah. Actually, I, you know, I. It's mostly most of our teaching load his calculus, but you know, typical quarter I'll have to calculus classes to teach and then you know, one division. Graduate course, we add speak classes today for days a week because the heavy teaching load for a university. But I don't think it's that bad. And that's that's kind of the job and at night you play guitar. Do you play guitar well with the band, I'm playing with right now ban called rumble it it's anywhere from three to five nights a week. I mean, it's been kind of crazy, and you know, for the last two weeks, I've kind of had a miniature vacation from it. Which maybe later, I'll tell you about because it kind of drove me crazy to have a vacation. But you know, coming up, you know, in a week or two I just go back to this killer schedule of playing guitar till two in the morning and getting up early and going in and teaching math almost as early. Yeah. So it's a lot of nights a week. But it's good. And you were the guitarist and frontman and sometime singer of bliss cats. Yeah, that's right. That was our original roots rock rock enrolled school link Wray style band that we had actually if I'm we're plugging things. Ballistic outs has a gig on August twentieth. So if you're in San Luis Obispo, we're up at the poor house come see us. But yeah, that was that was kind of that was more of an art band the band. I'm in now is is a cover band. And so the disadvantage to cover band is play cover songs, but the advantages you get to play all the time. Because people want but. Yeah. Okay. All that aside. We're going to do lightning round where we ask you short questions and hope you give us short answers. And sometimes if we are behaving properly, we won't ask you for why? Or how more of mation very good Christopher rebels empire empire. Favorite physical, constant e. Beer, wine, beer, TC science, technology, engineering or math math favourite, fictional, computer. The one that was on wonder woman in the seven oh my God number its name. But it looked like it looked like this Toya we had where you could put these little plastic lights of different colors in and make patterns on them. It was basically a box lights. Bright, light, bright. Thank you. Yeah. It looked like a light bright. In fact, I think I kind of made a fake version of it out of the light bright that we had. Yeah. That's my favorite, computer. Yeah. Country or western western. What do you listen to on your commute? I don't in fact, the if you play music live a whole lot. I kind of enjoy just utter silence in the car. So I don't listen much at all when I drive. Maced favorite planet. Most favorite least favourite least-favoured is mercury. Clearly, we knew what Matthew thinks about when he's in the silence of his car. Feature mountains beach favourite guitar or pedal. Both. I'm Askin both. Favorite pedal? Yeah. My favorite pedal is an clean boost of all things, which is kind of inside baseball favorite guitars a lot harder. Because it just depends on when you asked me that as of today right now, it's my gresh natch Nashville sixty one twenty dash nineteen sixty again because it saved my life at a wedding last week, but ask me again in a week, and I'll have some other opinions sater's life because there was a flash flood. And it was big enough that he could row it to actually give us the big the right way, it kinda works like a paddle wheel. What kind of Mike are you using right now? Yeah. KSCM thirty two. Sure. All right. Well, let's let's get to the point of this show way has that ever happened before. A couple of weeks ago. Matthew brought Christopher something because you know, your garage needed to go into our living room. Why did you bring him? I brought him our old apple two. Plus, my dad bodice whatever thirty five years ago, or whatever it was along with a whole bunch of our old five and a quarter inch disks of programs that we had written back in early eighties. Sometimes the late seventies. Yeah. I guess that's probably true. It's hard for me to remember that far back. But yeah. And Chris what did you do with said, apple two? Plus while the the goal is to recover some of that stuff because it's kind of a bizarre little time capsule of doing her kids. And so I spend a lot of time trying to get it working. And then even more time trying to get the data off the old discs and look at some of those programs that both of us had written, which is very strange experience. I mean, it's. Everybody digs up. Hold pictures. They true as a kid or something. But the story in middle about somehow somehow computer programs. I don't know if it's because we all continue to use computers. Our whole lives seeing the earliest examples of interacting with them is really a strange experience. So it had a lot of problems that had bad ram, which took some time to figure out how did you determine their bed? Well, it kept having errors when I was downloading back up a little bit so old computers. Don't have a lot of interface ports like modern computers in serial ports in an apparel ports necessarily. They don't have just about anything except floppy drives and floppy drives are very old. So they may not be working. Right. So I found some software called AT pro which is apple data transfer. Pro. I think it's a. Program somebody put together, and basically it's job is to download a little bootstrap program. So you can transfer data off and on and it'll do it through various ways and the only way ahead available to the cassette port and old computers of this. Vintage used to have little audio output ports that went to tape deck except tape deck, and you would save mode programs off the cassette tapes, which almost never worked on the actual computers. Anybody remembers? They're going cassette tape. Yeah. Well, you know, that's Google. So yeah, this would actually take the output of MAC that the auto put into the tape cassette. It put the apple and was super reliable because it was no longer talking over cassette tape. It was digital audio straight through so that that actually worked. But once I got the program downloaded all kinds of things going wrong. I'm so I started downloading data and looking comparing emulator what the data should look like in ram versus what I was getting. And then I figured out that only one bit was getting changed. And then I did a bunch of research on how the ram worked on the apple two and turns out each chip is responsible for one bit. That's crazy bite so found which one it was and replaced it. And all that stuff worked that was a long story. Gave me time to go over and get your set of diskettes. Which are actual floppies. I mean. A longtime since that floppy symbol in in the save programs, actually volved floppies. So yeah. So these discs a variety of stuff in it. I'd forgotten how much you had done Matthew because they're all these weird things. Yeah. Too much time on that thing. What is global software program maker have no idea. I think I had this notion when I was a kid that I was gonna make a program that protests. Well, it's funny because you have another one. That's global software presents machine language disc. Yes. So clearly global software was your first I was five it's not even spelled correctly. No, no. It's not. Yeah. We both had software companies. It was just what we did. Because you know, you would get these professional quote unquote, disc's from companies like new software, which published silence Warner's original castle wolfenstein and or broderbund software, and they made alien rain. And you know, it all look very professional. And I think it I think the alien rain disc, Christopher actually said on it machine language, forty eight K that was like they actually told you what they wrote the program in. So you'd be impressed. And then they copy protected us. You couldn't read it anyway. And so I think we we looked at that. And said, hey, we're going to that too. And yeah, we. It all seems so possible in easy, except it wasn't except it wasn't. Yeah. Tractable somehow, well that computer and people who use computers today, probably would be flabbergasted by this. But that computer came with a full set of paper manuals, the if I recall correctly, the complete schematics. Yes, that's correct. I I have I have the original books here, and you do has complete full schematic of the entire machine and a significant portion of the code the around. Yep. That's right. The Rahm is all disassembled anything about apple today. And apple, you know, thirty five years ago and saying, well, you know, do, you know, the apple I computer came with was basically open source people who wouldn't believe you. But it was because there was no other way to learn either. I mean, they bootstrapping problem, right? It's like how do we get people to learn to to use this thing they've never seen this before? Into matthew. How did you learn to use it? Did you actually sit down and read the manual or did you play games? And then decide you wanted to go further what it was weird. So. I'll backup just a little bit. Chris Ryder know, if you'll remember this. But when we got the computer, we lived in this kind of larger nineteen seventy south track house, and it was one of these floor plans, they designed back then where there was this kind of pretentious little bar for you to sit at you know, and in there was where my dad's stereo was. And we weren't allowed to go jumping around there or whatever. But I mean, my parents didn't use it for a bar, but one day my dad brought us both down there in the apple two is in there in boxes. I remember this very decayed boxes. And he says, well, this is a computer in some day. You will learn to use it and someday maybe you'll learn to program it just kinda stared at it for a minute. And so, okay, whatever. And then what happened was, you know, he set the whole thing up, you know, and that was in the days when you had to ground yourself really carefully when you put your your interface card in you had to do it yourself and ground yourself. People people are constantly reminding me that I still off. Okay. Well, maybe I'm Bruce lobby. When I deal with electron electrons. We had the original one came with a thirteen sector versus the the then modern sixteen sector dos. We had to replace the prompts for that. Anyway, he did all that set it all up. And then I think the first thing I played was lemonade stand. Yeah. Guy. I know about limited STAN. So I played that. And I said God, I got to figure out how to make this work. And so then I started I started programming from there. And one thing that's weird from a modern standpoint, the the difficulty of getting information. I mean, if you were anyone, but especially if you were of an age where you live. Yeah. I in in the very early nineteen eighties. I mean, you had those books, and if you wanted to get another book, well, you'd have to get your mom to give you a ride up to the one store in Orange County that, you know, carried any better computer books, and then you'd have to ask them very nicely to buy it for unit cost twenty five bucks, which is a lot of money, then and they may or may not do that is very hard to get information. So that's both a good thing. A bad thing because was bad because you can't just learn stuff fast. But it's good because you can experiment and try to figure out how to do things by reading code that you can get or it. I guess the other thing was didn't know anybody else who programmed. I mean, there was one other kid in the school who had a TRS eighty model one which was, you know, very different system, obviously in we didn't talk a whole lot. But nobody none of the adults had computers. None of the keynote. Nobody knew anything about it. So it was hard to figure things out. But but that made it kind of fun. So yeah, I don't know how I really don't know how we learned after that Christopher what you remember. But it's sorta hind experimenting. Honestly, there's a lot of experimenting. There was. There were a lot of magazines. Besides the books, we're getting magazines in the magazines would sometimes have listings that was the a lot of software was you had to type it in. But that came like once a month or something, and it was so hard. I remember, and that's probably how I learned to type. It's typing these dumb programs in for magazines copies. Wait, you actually learn to type correctly. Probably mostly correctly. I still do use to fingers, and I learned that on the apple shark taper shirk is the best thing. That's modern. Yeah. But teaches you. Yeah. Type stuff in from listings and. In those early days. I don't really remember. I guess there are a lot of example programs that came with the dos disks, and then there is the books but other than that. I remember, I you know, you said convincing our parents to buy books. I remember browbeating mom by me twelve dollar introduction to micro computer graphics, which I still have. And it was twelve dollars nine hundred eighty was I don't know what it is now, but probably thirty or forty bucks. We'll anytime matrix math in it and some pretty complex way was pointlessly over my head. But there was some things like do. But but it was stuff like that. I want to come back to to the thing for a second. But before that. Mentioned dad's setting it up, and then using it kind of left out the part where. He was kind of new way your dad would left you alone to use it, right? Oh, I was not allowed to touch discs. You know, because you might accidentally touch the exposed region where the three head goes eventually, I got my own disk that I could use. And I don't know what the rules were for you, Matthew. But is is the same idea. What I wanted at some point was we had to describe. So we were it's truly luxury. Apple you gotta give them credit. Oh, yeah. It was the top of the line out to and that was a flagship machine in that area. Talk about twelve bucks being a lot tried two thousand five hundred. I mean, the huge amount of money car. Yeah. Basically. Oh, yeah. In fact, Cal Worthington could've soldier car for lot less than that matter. I saw him on TV trying to do that every day. Sure. But well, what I wanted to do is make the second Dr work, and I needed a second disc for that. He he he, you know, I gotta give my dad a break. Because basically, I and this probably was partly would happen to you. I'm a crackpot and whatever idea I'm having, you know, two thirds of the time. It's completely nuts and say, that's one of those cases Lisa where I don't cuss even though I kind of want to anyway, you know. So I wanted a second disc I took a long time before he would give me a second five and a quarter inch disk, so I could at least figure out how to make the second Dr work, and he was very suspicious of what do you want that for you don't need that for what he want that for you don't need that? And later on. I actually hooked up. The cassette tape recorder to it also know how that work. He was furious. And really I remember playing with that read he really was against it. He didn't want me doing it. And he was like, well that thing's gonna send it a bad signal. It was hilarious. He is very conservative. But he actually did let us do whatever we wanted after while, he relaxed. Well, you know, it's that I phase of this thing is really, you know, none of us understand it. None of us understand how fragile it is. And it's incredibly expensive. Yeah. And it turns out having brought it back to life. These things are not that fragile. I mean, not it's still works for the most part one of the drive still works mean apart from one ram chip everything else. That's I'm just amazed that something that is sad for so long. Well, this was a ram chip that was replaced early on. Yeah. The whole bunch of the Rams replaced early on we had a bad ram. That was when you took it to one of these random shops that they had I think it was called the Wabash apple. Yeah. Yes. The big dealership. I mean, you went to a computer dealer the way you went to car dealer back then given the prices sort of make some sense because you say more about schematics. Oh, it was just saying as as I was. Fixing it and reading reading stuff that I used to know and. Looking at the board itself while taking it apart. The amazing thing about these computers you can almost visualize how they're built just looking at them. And you can't do that with anything today. You got a microscope, and you could decapa chip or something even even then you don't know what you're looking at. But this is the board is big all the chips are laid out in an array is very few passive components. There's silkscreen around the ram sections as ram every chip is labeled for the most part, except a few logic things. You can actually see. Okay. Well, data goes in here. And it goes out here just looking at the computer, and it's incredible educational thing. And that was through necessity. I mean, that's how things were built back. Then it wasn't that they were making it that way for any particular reason, this is how things were done. But. I feel bad for people who have to learn about computers now because you don't for the most part actually see any of that. Even if you have an are doing, oh, you may have pins labeled, but they're tiny labels. And there's all this other stuff on the board that you don't know. What it does all the all the interesting stuff is on the inside of the chip. Yeah. Which you don't see and even RG we is probably a thousand times faster than this computer, poor, computer. But you can't replace just a single set of bits of ram in artery. No internet out because it doesn't work like that. Oh. Okay. So what games did you too, right? So I'm I haven't got through all my discs yet. So I'm not even sure I think I tried to write some very bad adventure games text adventure games, which if looking at code, I think it's very, you know, print this and then if statement about go north west east south, and then okay, then print this. If you go that way that kind of thing. I think I did a lot of graphic stuff. I remember I found some bouncing ball programs. Stuff like arcnord, but more like pong with with one paddle. I never really successfully wrote anything of the complexity Matthew, did I think we should be one of Matthew's program where it said push one two three four to choose things. And then the first questions like who do you want to be right, which one was that that was the adventure? This my adventure game. The dungeon of death of attornal death attornal, I have attornal death. And that that that if anybody out there listings going to think of right in that game that is trademark man. That is mine credit me. This was also the confluence of dungeons and dragons in this computer, is it can't be overlooked. That's true. But adventure games, what the thing that you might not remember that we used to when mom would be shopping at spouse Ritz, or whatever they call that five and dime store down there by Thriftys. There was a radio shack next door, and we used to run in there and mess around with the T R S eighties. They had on display that you could play with. And there were generally adventure games. You could play text based adventure games. Like that. Because that was they were real popular on that. So I think we got the idea from doing that. And and you know, went back and tried to write them on. And they're actually they're kind of. I mean, it's a tricky thing for a kid that doesn't know that much about computers to do because there's a lot of you'd have to extract the map and do it. All right. And there's there's actually a lot of data to handle, right? You know with all lots of sentences and other things, and I had no idea how to do any of that. So I kind of gave up on the adventure game genre really early when I don't know about if you did more of them are or what I haven't found. I know I did stuff. But I haven't found a lot of things. I mean, the the the games are great way to understand state machines. But I never heard that word probably. Learning the other way. Yeah. I think it's interesting. I think programming games are really good way. I mean for us to teach a class like this at Cal poly during the summer for for high school kids in younger, and what we would do is what I would do is. We'd bring them into a room there before teen computers there, and they would program there max, they would program in true, basic, basically trying to recreate the apple two environment, minus the machine language that you needed for that. And you know, I'd set them off in pairs writing a game in my older kids would write asteroids with me and the younger kids would write lemonade stand or an adventure game. And and the the extensible purpose was to get them to learn Samantha Matic's because when you come down to it. That's the thing. That's getting you more than anything else when you're trying to do something like that. But it's a it's like it's like a sugar pill around the medicine kids would get so into it. And I would walk out at heating, those classes, and it would like I taught an entire quarter class in a day in terms of how much energy been taken for me. But it was all worth it assigning too. Great. Thing is we were really lucky to have that when we were young to have the opportunity to program anything we wanted. But I got to play one of one of your games from then. And it said choose one two three four, and you know, like one was mongo the half elven magic and two was. Yeah. Anyway, and then it turned out you couldn't use one two or three four you had to type in the whole name or no. No, I just can't imagine the string copy and compare that that really required. String copy. No. There was no strength copy. No. I didn't know any better. See that's what I mean. I didn't really understand variables didn't understand any of that kind of. I think that's actually one of the very first things I ever tried to program, and I didn't. And I think I listed that. I don't even think I knew to do multi statement lines to save myself memory. I didn't know any of that stuff and. Yeah. I think if you looked at that code would go my God. But it was it was a seventh grader or an eighth grader trying to teach themselves to program. So that's my excuse. But it was it was truly dumb. If that's. That it was dumb. Gotta cut acute dumb way or dumb and acute way. Whatever. But done the most difficult way possibly, that's that's maybe that's the best description. But it was thought out. It was a story. It was it was deep dungeons and dragons adventure and. Yeah. So why why now why are you looking at these things this year because why did I decide to do this? I can't remember. I mean is it just because our house is bigger. And no, there was some particular reason Matthew cleaning out his garage grow. I don't know the the no the the final thing that pushed me to it was re realizing how old it was and survived much longer. Shack the survivors law just proving case some of them are not not in great shape. I don't know. There must have been some sort of nostalgia tree or that. Maybe to it. Stranger things though. No, I got it before that. So. Yeah. I was just thinking about it. I think I think I must have just been. Maybe I read something probably probably I was reading about this six five. Oh, two for some reason. Seem to remember coming across something. And we we saw that the monster six five breakout borough started me thinking about it. Yeah. So Matthew this this guy? We met maker faire built a six five two out of transistors. Oh my God. And it's it's quite large. It's a shorter. No eighteen inches by twelve inches. It's a normal size full PCB panel. He's got LED's all around. You can see what it's doing. And it runs at full speed. Incredible. That is amazing. But yeah, I think that got me thinking, and then and then I eventually realized that it was getting probably not too. Getting better sitting there. So no, definitely not not in our garage. So the ultimate goal is to get as much as data off in archived as possible. So we can just run emulator because you can now run an apple two in your web browser. Playing lemonade stands. Runs on your your phone, your Android phone, or whatever just Java script. That's the one that's easiest to use. But there's some more sophisticated ones. But then either just has a time capsule having that stuff and looking through it to a certain extent, it's where I come from because I've been using computers constantly since then and sort of defined my existence in a lot of ways. To what did you write? And have you looked at both the game aspect and the code? What do you mean by the? Bullet there were many questions. Okay. What did you write? I wrote stupid stuff the league's. I mean my attention span. I'm learning was very short, even then so to be fair, there is some age gap between you and Matthew a big. Yeah, it's true to meth years. I've got the other things I haven't got the other computer that should have more stuff from when I was preteen teen. But. I have lots of little programs where I think I was trying to figure stuff out in. You were you were really actually five or six barely reading really is true. I think he was barely reading dare you. You know, it's I mean, you mentioned that bouncing ball program, you type that in by hand from reading it out of the apple manual. Yeah. And when you were you're a little kid. I mean, yeah, you were five or something. I mean who does that at five years old? But then I have one disc have one disc that's full of assembly language programs that I must have done around that age. Unfortunately, there aren't working to figure out why. Yeah. That's. To right. So that when you debugged your code forty years later, but you can't with machine language their comments you just enter the codes. And then you saved the ram nothing. So if you don't understand what you were doing tough, Matthew showing me one thing he'd done couldn't figure it out because it had this loop this inner loop and outer loop. But the inner loop did something that didn't make any sense. Decreasing register uselessly, but knows degrading register usefully, but the register hadn't been alright right initialized. So it was like, well, how do you? And then it was doing a brain compared compared to branch afterwards. And like this is insane. You've you the why register and the new branch on whether it's zero, but she didn't know what it was to start with that's insane. But it works. We've actually kind of figured out. It didn't matter the first time the first time, we would do however many in the next time through it'd be a two fifty five in my life. I could not figure that out now. I mean, I was way smarter than. But but ever, okay. So Chris you've looked at some of your projects, and they were small and you see they were dumb. But they were they were pretty good for darn good. How has your software engineering and coding style changed in the interfering? Not at all. It's basically the same. Yeah. I think most people would agree that that there's not been a lot of improvement. Will you do spell the word guesses right now? That's because it has auto correct? You don't have to spell anymore. Thank god. For me. What is the funniest thing? You found Safar. Oh, God funniest thing. Some the file names are little hilarious because we're learning to type get frustrated with having type a lot. So I have several dozen programs that are just like the catwalk across the keyboard gas, D F G. Not sure it was going on there things called even more recent program the whole sentence with five exclamation points, which kind of goes against the whole hating type thing because there's no auto completion or partial matches on this old computer, you had to type it. Exactly right hallway. So that was that was pretty dumb. I'm not sure what that program. Does haven't looked at it yet? But it was recent this great. Well, that's the other thing is a lot of you could see trying to do that. And some of the file names. It's like this. And then that same name with some extra letter tacked on. To seeing some of the spelling mistakes in the the way we wrote sentences to command people to do things like giving menu options, who's all all sort of a weird hoping about it. Well, there's there's always the light of nostalgia there. What are you planning on doing next it on you to get everything off of it? So I'm gonna take one pass with it in its existing state with all this have tried to get as many as I can. And then I'm going to try to repair it further, which means probably getting destroyed working better by calibrating it. I had some other methods. We're getting Dade off it cereal any through net. I'm gonna try, but then he can't have had either net. Not then. Okay. It's always people making things now. Ret conning of hardware. It doesn't seem right. After that. I don't know. I think I might take the eastern at card and put it on the internet. I had a lot of stupid ideas for that. I kind of wanted to figure out how to make an interface. So the really cool thing about this and excited once, but I'm gonna say it again is you can understand it. And because you can understand it. You can see yourself doing all kinds of things like making a custom interface board to go to something else. Like Christmas lights are make a spy interface board and have it interface to something moderate just because. Curveball space program on that computer would be even better, especially if you. Well, I mean, even just the interface you can actually run it somewhere. Did this? I have to find it. But I think somebody to those pretty cool. But there's lots of hardware projects like just seeing to taking a scope to it and seeing how signals work and tracing all the way through an understanding it because there's no hope of doing that for a modern computer, unless you're you know, in a lab somewhere. I almost want to encourage people don't get an are doing oh, go on EBay by a computer from the early eighties. Yeah. Hear it out program on it because you can do everything. We did get an listener Email speak that assembly who asked what projects newbies. And I think he was expecting me to say using her Dino to control your washing machine or something. I don't know. And my advice, there's always find something that amuses you to no end and do that. Because the music value will get you through that those baffling points or the simple drudgery of having to clean the ram jobs. Yeah. I I'm highly motivated because I want to recover this stuff before it's gone. In Matthew is they're saying, where's it? Hey, try this desk. Yeah. I I really really feel strongly about this. Because as I work with this. I remembering how I learned things I learned in how applicable they are doing bet it systems because you know, there was a simpler language there was timing stuff. There was here you had control of all the signals direct control the entire computer. You could understand how the video subsystem worked, and you know, play game people did all sorts of hacks to it. I mean, the some of the video game any factor program writers did amazing things because they had they had nothing. It's like, okay. We have we have sound except all the sound is is you read one location in memory, and that's map to click the speaker once and they went from that to speech. How did they do that? That's incredible. Because they didn't know they couldn't. And that is yes, okay. I get that. And the understandability of it. And the fact that you're understanding the smallest pieces see Tomich pieces now half the time if you are using an odd, we know a motor controller your program is only five lines long, and your wiring is something you picked up off the internet. And sure maybe you go beyond that. But initially, it's all LEGO blocks, and there was stuff like that for the app on a lot of people. I mean there was logo the turtles. And those people didn't need to do what we did. But we were bored. But you could have fun. And there was that whole discovery thing to like, for example, if you if you loaded inner basic into your language card, you got a different version of the monitor right, then you had with apple soft, and that different version of the monitor in the monitor people don't know was this built in thing for directly accessing memory is basically, this assembler, basically disassembly. Where you could do some data entry. Well, there was a little miniature assembler in the inner basic version. So if you're willing to get give up being able to deal with floating point arithmetic for a little while then you got an assembler for free. No comments. No labels. But that's okay. And and there was all this different stuff that you could find inside the monitor rom that you little routines that you could run in the same thing was true with the dos. If you could you could get a book told you what the locations where it was so much fun to find all that stuff, and modify it, however, you saw fit so this is a good point to ask you. So at some point you went from writing little games and stuff to pretty hacking at the system recall. You wrote some weird things C C wrote. He wrote this thing to obscure your disks. So nobody could read them. Yeah. That was my project in the ninth grade. And is that the ad thing. That's asaid sauce yet. Well, I had this whole idea. Here's what it was. You buy the good like, I told you by alien rain. It says machine language forty eight K. And so the light goes on in your head says, okay? If I want to write a game, that's good and actually castle wolfenstein was really the gold standard Christopher with the speed. This isn't everything. It's just one of the greatest games ever. Speaking of playing on an emulator I've been playing it for the last couple of days, and I like it just as much as I did nineteen eighty one. It's a little too addicting. Anyway, long story short was. To do that kind of thing. You had to be good at machine language both for speed and forgetting access to all this stuff. So I built this whole system. I'd actually written an assembler for myself, very bad very badly. Most most people can't say they've written a very bad as similar this one. This one would take the cake for bad, but I had one. And so this whole system I had built around it. And then the other thing was these games always came with copy protection. So I just started think about how you would do that. And I learned how to make the reset key automatically reboot, your disk because that was the thing you could do on an apple you could hit reset and it would supposedly put you into basic right away. But to keep people from pushing reset to list or disassemble their game. They would remove the reset Kita just reboot the disc. So I figured out how to do that. And then I started reading about dos and had another book that had a lot of detailed information about it. And I re coded some stuff. So that you couldn't just read the catalog or get information off of it easily you'd have to actually know allot, and I don't know what got me into that. But I when I made it so that the Hello program could be a binary program instead of an apple saw program. I don't know what got me into that. But it was kind of hacking. I guess well, there was this whole culture. I remember at school of people passing around this. Tracking them so there and making disk destroyers school. I the destroyer I made. That's right. I the school. We both went to. Yeah. To like elementary middle high school. So yeah. There by certain point a lot of people had apples and that school had purchased a whole raft of crank, quote, unquote, apples, actually, Franklins Franklins. Yeah. Which were clones of apples that apple somehow, let them do them. Sued them shut them down about a year. After we got this school got this, computer. I think. Yeah. And people were passing around games and figuring out how to crack him. And I don't know where they were getting this stuff. Maybe they had modems back then and we didn't or something. But yeah, there was this whole culture of breaking copy protection and making your own copy protection and making things that would destroy people's discs for some reason. Yeah. And because you could you could directly access the way the destroys work on the apple two is wasn't ex- genius was to take a lot of the cost out of the disk drives by pushing it to software so destroys back, then had complicated, controller hardware. They had lots of stuff for indexing and figuring out where they were. And they needed to make a hard disk drive floppy disk drive that would cost them one hundred dollars in parts, which was unheard of. And everybody thought they were crazy, and he said went away for a few months, and he figured out. Okay. I'm going to do all the stuff in software and have minimal electron IX to drive the to the actual disc. Head and do all that up ration-. So the upshot of that is to lot of things to alter how description and read by altering the software that the computer came with. And of course, you had it all able you to do that. So people would make disks that. You just couldn't access because the sectors were awful little bit. Or because they changed. How the disc was laid out and dos wouldn't work because it was running something they'd written. So you could do incredible things and. That hacker ethic still exists, but it's much more sophisticated now doing other stuff, but. I'm not I'm it's cloudy and lemon Ville, oh, you're playing. Don't worry. It'll be sunny soon through paying attention to me. Oh, no. She those those games. They're addictive. Did you really ask your parents bring you another computer when they drive across the country. Did yes I had the successor browbeat them to buy me a new computer in the late eighties. I think it was. Yeah. After I went to college, and this was so apple had a bit of an identity crisis in the eighties jobs hated the apple two after a certain point went off to make the MAC and Wozniak was still I think involved in pushing the apple two side of things. And so there was this battle between both sides of the company about which way it was going to go. So for a while both kinds of computers were available and there was one final apple to made call the apple two. Yes. Which was kind of like ridiculous apple too because. And sound synthesizer chips. It had, you know, megabytes of memory if he wanted it had a sixteen bit processor instead of eight bit was much faster. But it could it could run all the same stuff the old apple two. The main reason what that is to get whatever software wrote for that and have a backup machine than I can potentially pull this stuff off. If this doesn't doesn't work for some reason. So yeah, another project. In Matthew, had another computer is what time Sinclair one thousand. Yeah. So Clive cliff. I don't know how you say his name Sinclair club, Clive Yok. He he is British fella, and he made he tried to make computers that were truly affordable for people. And you know, so we were talking about how expensive apples were. So he made a a machine called z X eighty which was followed up by another machine called z X, eighty one. And what they were. They were z eighty based machines with just four chips on them, and the British version came with just one k of ram, and they had a membrane keyboard, and they cost one hundred dollars which was still a lot of money then but was a lot cheaper than anything else. You could get. And so they were I guess they were manufactured in Scotland. But when they were introduced to the United States, either might have been a second ration-, they were the Timex Sinclair one. Thousand instead of one. Yeah, they came with two k of ram built-in instead of one came. So my summer of my eighth grade year, I wanted to what I really wanted was his eighty I wanted to program Z, eighty wise because it was a school processor. I mean it acted like a sixteen. Processor, even though it was an eight bit processor. They were four megahertz instead of one point two three or whatever the sixty five to was it wasn't because most arcade games in arcades who are running. I didn't know that. Okay. No. I'll tell you. What I don't know how you would have found that out. Then I mean, probably true. I mean, I I had no idea. What kind of hardware they had in video game are cades. But it all ran really fast and really smooth. Everybody knew that. Anyway, I just wanted to Z eighty so I could learn to do that. And I also just like the idea of buying my own machine right in a dad, of course, was extremely against it. And so the way this ended up working as my parents were building a house, and I got the summer job to go. Sweep up all the construction mass earning a couple of dollars an hour to do it. So I swear up dirt all summer, and when I was about eighty five dollars. So it's just a few dollars away from being able to buy it. We went over to the house when day in the painter had his old German shepherd had brought his old German shepherd onto the property. It turned out later this dog had bitten to people before. And so mom had said while you're not going to be allowed to go in there and sweep until the painters 'cause I don't want to breathing the paint fumes at okay? So we went over there and I'm walking through the hallways to see if the paint's dry, this German shepherd runs up and bites me. Bit me on the back of the leg in the front of the leg. And anyway, long story short was about three days later among finally said well. Dad decided it's probably okay. If you go ahead and get that, computer. Even though you haven't earned all. So, you know, my dog bite settlement was fifteen bucks or whatever. Yes, I ordered that. And you know, dad would see me programming because of course, it used a cassette tape, and he would say inferior as he. But it wasn't all bad though. So eventually the company called memo TEK made ram pacts for this because it had an exposed single exposed interface check on the Pac. And so I got a thirty two k ram pack for it. And that was cool. But the problem was the way this machine was made to keep costs down where you're nine volt power supply went in it went to voltage regulator chip that in the way, they cooled that they stuck a heat sink on it. Okay. And it was in this tiny little plastic container. So it would happen is I put my memo pack on there for my thirty two k ram. It would run for about five or six minutes and the screen would start filling up full of stuff. And it took a thought it was a bad ram. I kept calling the company trying to figure out what it was. They said it was my power supply got to aunt power supply. It happened even faster. Finally, what we figured out was happening. And I don't even know. Oh, I think I got this from a magazine it was overheating because of that heat sink. So dad actually helped me do this. We took it apart unsought or the voltage. Regulator connected up some twenty two gauge wire we put the voltage regulator, and it's heat sink in a shoebox and ran the twenty two wire back into it. And it never overheated again work, right? So he Sinclair had never figured on having thirty two k attached to it. Remember, if that was framer de ram on that thing, I must have been well one of the problems I'm having with the apple as you mentioned nine volts going in. All this stuff is. I wanted to do a little bit of fooling around with the Graham chip since I had some spare. Now. And make like a little ram chip tester with little micro controller and just learn how to bang the signals on the on the chip drive it. The problem is all these chips have for dick Ulis power requirements like each ram chip needs plus five minus five and twelve. Wow. And which is actually hard to come by in the modern era. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I thought maybe a PC power supply with do it. But it turns out they don't have it didn't have a negative discs apply. We'll do it. He does supplies a boat anchor. Yeah. Anyway, think about the time x machine that was cool. There was actually some pretty interesting software. You could get for it. I had a I had an assembler for it. So I could do a little bit ZD assembly language that was cool. But the really neat thing is I had Z X fourth. Now. I don't know if you know what fourth is you guys will stack based language which which for a ninth graders insane. I couldn't I mean, the syntax that language. I still don't think I understand it. But I learned a write some little fourth programs. I mean, we couldn't get that on an apple easily. I mean, it's pretty inside baseball stuff. But you could get it for that that little machine. It was a cool machine was fun. Yeah. I remember that machine because I always wanted to play it because it was something different. And you had it. So it had some different games. Yeah. It had a flight simulator. I knew you would remember that stupid. It was fun to land. Come on put it had. I mean, there was basically, no graphics. It was hey, you could see the lights on the runway runway and a line for the horizon, if you were lucky, and that was it, and I remember fighting with that thing because as you said it had the cassette port, and you know. Yeah. The hit rate for getting the program off the cassette was probably about thirty five percent. So hours trying to get the flight simulator to load it sometime, and it just would work a lot of time. But yet guys very sensitive to volume. It was really really dial in the volume on the tape recorder carefully whole show sounds like we had to walk poeple doesn't. Well. No because it was really fun. True. And there was I mean, there was nothing to compare it to know. Well, as somebody who's main form of computer interaction came from free hours in the library. Yeah. He you guys. Don't really sound. Like, you're under a lot of hardship on what I was trying to say compared to somebody who's grown up on an ipad. Oh my goodness. That would be so different. You know, it's not even in the same league. I set my phone down on the apple two. Plus when I'm working on it. Sometimes just stare at these two things next to each other. My brain just kinda shuts down because it doesn't make any sense. They don't even that far apart in year. They aren't ready for a part in how they were. They still work the same way it's just scaled up and with additional complexity, but the fundamentals of how d- ram works. That's the same fundamentals have CPU works. That's the same. That's the thing. That's baffling is all this persisted. Even though I mean, yeah, it's ridiculously simple in the computer. We have upstairs is probably a billion times faster. And I'm not kidding. It's the graphics computer that runs the VR system. Yeah. Apart from the GPO, which is a novel architecture to a certain extent the rest of it's you know, the toll kinda -volved. Over the years in a very step by step way. I good thing to talk about because it is an easy way to interact with computers, but it's not the same sort of interaction this being able to take it apart and a program and you could program swift on an ipad. There's no reason why you can't preeminent ipad. But I don't know that it is causing the same level of both nostalgia inducing. I don't think anybody's going to care about ipads in thirty five years. Same way. Probably not not the affection, you feel for this, computer. You have strewn about the room. There was my friend xactly. So how do we how do we hope people have that act interactions? So that they go into hardware and software. So first thing we do have a violent topic revolution. On does the last thirty five years of technology development. And I think we'll be there and be fine. It's all we need. No, I think I mean apart from my suggestion of going buying one of these things which you can do. I mean, it's weird the market for these is crazy some of them go for a few hundred dollars. And some of them are thousands. Probably depends on how pristine they are. But you can pick up an old apple two for probably one hundred two hundred bucks or Commodore sixty four same same chip or any of these other cities TR's eighties. But if you don't wanna do that, I think. You can buy the. I mean, you could do wanna say you can do the Adriana microcontroller. That really is the closest bay pie bigger bone allow you'll think so with more things to make more games into play more games on them. They're just Lennox computers with additional signals out. I don't really feel like they're they're even spiritually close at all the way that they're close is that your dead buys and says don't touch it that dangerous don't touch it. You'll break it to five dollars berry pie. Yeah. That's the other thing. I mean, the rest because five bucks disposable, I think there's a little more than that. But yet there are some. Oh, right. This euro came out. Okay. Okay. Well, let me kinda roundabout way by saying some of the other projects that I'm thinking about doing. Promise, I will not let him list everything this time, actually. I was actually just be one. It may just be one one of them is to build a minimal six five two based computer and from scratch, and it turns out I found some of the people who've done similar things. It's not that hard. There's you know, you can do it Nate chips six five two special because it is a thoroughly understandable processor. Yes. There's no I mean, the p four thirty from TI is a nice line. It's pretty simple. It's not too complex. But you can't have the whole processor in your head registers does Emma's before thirty Heff exactly it has a lot. I mean, Chris has been writing posts on how to how to get that working. And he ended up having to take three weeks to turn on an LED due to a button press because you have to start explaining what's a pull up resistor, and well, what's a GPO port. And how do you change the direction and the style, and it just it gets complicated. I think this is going to make it easier though, because six to an actual microprocessor. It's not a micro controller so needs all the support hardware needs clocking in each. All the weird voltages. You can see all that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, only got like five actual registers in their eight-minute sixteen bit registers the program counter, and you won't care about that. Anyway, when the only real there's only one real registered. Yeah. The accumulator the other registers are indexes. Yeah. Right. X and y. So, you know, your flags register, and that's it. I think I've explained the entire processor in less sense. Pretty pretty and it's very simple instruction set. Very simple. But yeah, I I don't know what to suggest that to get the similar feel and maybe it's just not possible. But get an emulator fool around. Getting emulator and play hard with this though. I mean, it there was a certain thing of of the particular era, it it's not just the machine or its simplicity, or it's, you know, construction brilliance Rennie of that. It was just the aero when it was too because it was so incredibly new for for us. I mean, nobody had anything like this all of a sudden it was here. And so there was this whole sense of wonder to it that when everybody's walking around with a huge computer in their phone now, it just as I don't know how you'd recap the spiritual part of it would be really hard to redo. I think. The closest thing I can think of her nose VR, and it's very small community and the people who are excited about it or super excited about it. Yeah. People are making release small programs that other people are really enjoying that are very simple. But it's just because the experiences so new and novel. That's okay ok-. Oh, you got this little block thing where you throw things around you play pong one of my favorite games. I just got is pong pong. And you're you're in a loft apartment beautifully rendered and you play ping pong. And it's like, oh, I remember pong from the seventies and similar feeling. But now it's perfectly rendered in three virtual environment. This is very strange juxtaposition of over at that again, but nine billion times more sophisticated. I don't know that there's a lot of nostalgia associated with it. So it's hard to separate that out. But I do think it's a different kind of education doing it this way having done it that way than what you can do today without really thinking about it and planning how you're going to learn. You had a lot more experiential learning with this. I mean, when we first met, you were always way more willing to touch the than high pause and Mussa my learning came from books in theory, and and reading about things to this was a different path. I think they're both good paths. It's just you can have different paths to getting into engineering other. That does bring me back to one more question for Matthew where a software engineer. That's actually a real good. Good questions. Let me tell you know. Here's I'm in answer that so you know, I told you I had to play this wedding a week ago. And the thing about it. It was it was about a five minute gig for me. Now, it was terrifying gig. Because it was you know, I'm playing a girl down the aisle, and their parents spent tens of thousands of dollars, whatever. But, you know, the young woman very well. I know the young woman very well. But don't know any of the other people there, and it's the big deal. So so I had that gig. And but but I didn't have any other gigs for until last night for the last two weeks. And all last week. I was telling my wife got I don't feel. Well, I don't know what's wrong with me. I I think I, you know, maybe I should go to the doctor. I mean, my energy levels down. I just I just feel bad. What's what's wrong, and I really just didn't physically feel well for like a week. And I couldn't figure out what? It was and about three minutes in to the gig last night. I went, oh, I know what's wrong. And basically, I feel great today. I feel awesome. And just because I was on stage for two hours. And so I mean, I think I think the thing is whatever you do. It just has to be whoever you are. And the thing that that makes you or makes you feel like yourself and for me that ends up being Qatar without it being a value judgement on anything else that anybody does. That's just what it is for me. And I don't really feel like a lot of choice about it for for other people it something else. So I think you know, I try to bunch of different careers on the way towards this. Obviously worse offer engineer for well. I was a software engineer, and it didn't really suit me, you know. And I think the thing is that the kind of wonder that was there with the apple too when I was young. Was never there when I was working for a company, it just it just wasn't. It was a job where I sat and worked for eight hours a day. And now part of that's the YouTube. I had to wear a tie and go in be there at certain our an east. Coast software engineer. It was not like apple or or doing the kind of stuff. You guys. Do. I mean, totally Delray. Ours is totally fun. All the time. We we cannot contain our excitement the stuff we do everyday. It's literally we have to be told to stop. Working because we'll just we'll just never stop. But you're not wearing a tie ho. I wear all kinds of things. Okay. Well, okay. That's up to you. But you don't have to wear a tie. And you know, and I just remember getting home from work from doing that. And just just feeling spent you know, anyway, so it it just didn't work for me in that environment. And and maybe I just didn't do the kind of projects that would have made me happy. I don't know. I should have probably been a game. Programmer if I was going to do that. But while you were working on simulations of power plants or something. Yeah. I did. I did. Simulations for cogeneration plants real exciting stuff. And then I did an instrumentation program for a company that was making that drives back in the very early nineties to try to figure out how to make them proper control software. You know, audiotapes like storage backup types. Yeah. Right. Right. So it was basically a glorified VCR on a miniature scale that you know, would would actually could store a whole gigabyte on a tape or something which was a big deal back then as a backup for your hard drive for businesses. So I I had very kind of dry stuff. Nothing. Really? Well, I feel like we'd be remiss if we didn't mention your actual for suffrage nearing job, which was that we wrote the great database God for the school. Yeah. For five dollars or something. Oh, I got one hundred dollars hundred dollars era to you, do you know what I did with that? Hundred dollars new spend it on. I'm not gonna say because that's probably not for family bought a TRS eighty computer to sixteen k they were on sale that year for ninety nine dollars. And and I went off it back in. What I want to hear is how the school managed to convince somebody to write their entire system for hundred. Okay. Well, here they didn't offer to pay me. What happened God? No, no. So it was the my math teacher that year was a guy named Mr. bell and his job was to run to my country. When they did when they did report cards, you know, every teacher had to fill out one of these in triplicate things. Okay. By hand for each student with you know, the name the grade the semester average the effort grade in the comments, and so they at some point asked one of the teachers husbands who taught at UCI to write them a program to do this on the apple because they had all these Franklin's. So he wrote one in a weekend. Now, this is a little bit inside baseball too. I guess but what he actually did. He didn't put a lot of time or thought into it. I guess he he used what was called a random access text file to store all the student data. And the upshot of that was to access a given student for their great information required, the disk drive to actually physically access, the disk. And so the problem with this was when there's hundreds of students in it had to keep accessing over over again, Mr. bell could not get the program to print out the schools report cards, without the disk physically failing what he was doing was copying the disc and running it simultaneously on all sixteen of the school's computers, hoping that just one disc would work. And he ended up staying up all night. And so he was complaining to me. And I said, well, I can do this all I'll write a new program. That'll do it. Right. And I had no idea what I had bitten off. And so I said well, the secret to this is just a load all the students data into memory at once and never occurred to me to sit down with a calculator and say out of that work with forty eight K Aram. Anyway, that is what I ended up alternately doing. But I I mean, it was a huge project for me to figure out how to get it to run. But it did it did run. And they used it for five or six years. I think maybe longer maybe longer. Eventually they I wasn't there anymore because I was off in college. But it took me months to do that. But and so that's one of the that's one of the things. I'm hoping you're going to recover the rest of yes. Just so I can see what a huge project though. Yeah. That was my first job. I got one hundred bucks for the teachers took up a collection amongst themselves and gave me a little card which I have somewhere. And I was. Yeah. I remember when I finished it. We were going on a ski trip up to mammoth. Don't know if you'll remember this, but I had finally run correctly. And done like all the semester, cheap e honor roll computations and all that correctly like two days before we left on this trip or maybe one day. I think I actually had to go in and help the day before we left, and I think I slept from southern California all the way to lone pine in the back of the car before. I Finally, I was just so tired. I just never slept because they used to pull me at a pull me out of class to have become try to fix everything broken. I was just I was I had no idea what I was doing at all you with this fif sixteen sixteen. Things. So kids if you wanna see what it was like, watch wargames. Oh, yeah. Would you like to play a game of chess? All right. I think it is time to get back to weekend for us to get back to taking discs off of this. Yeah. Come on, man. I'm waiting for the rest of those. Stephen question questions comments taunts to your brother. Just I feel like we've only scratched the surface. Well, how many hours do you have? I think you should go back to phone for a while. And and then then maybe we'll talk again when you've got some more things, grabs a beer, and we can sit around and talk all day. Matthew. Do you have any less to leave us with? Yeah. Just do what you want. That's my last thought. All right. That's a good one. Actually, a really good one. I guess has been Matthew white attire player who teaches math during the day. He's a professor of mathematics at cow, poly, San Luis Obispo the front man of the ballistic cats and guitar player for rumble thinking Matthew for being here. And like you were having and for letting Christopher out of your jail long enough himself. Thank you to Christopher for producing anchor Hussein. And of course, thank you for listening hit the contact link or Email us show at embedded dot FM. If you'd like to say Hello now as usual, I have a final thought leave you with actually I have three here that I choose between it, and they're all pretty vacant. Let's go with Mark Twain from Putin head Wilson's, this is a real Mark Twain, quote, Adam was but human this explains it all he did not want the apple for the apple sake. He wanted it only because it was forbidden the mistake was in not forbidding the serpent then he would have eaten. 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Perspectives in Focus: 1:1 w/ Jean Steel
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This is an ad for anchor if you didn't guess that bike now check out if you could get started with anchor if you want to start sending out your message owning your own platform broadcasting your message go to anchor down me join the rest of the diverse authors and owners of content out there. Get your podcast off the ground. Let us know where it is. Talk to you soon. I'll be go home. off off off off Good afternoon. Everyone James 6 here from Hicks New Media. Welcome to another episode of perspectives in Focus today, very exciting day incredibly exciting day. I guess today is in engaging and enthusiastic speaker her Universal appeal makes her messages timely and Timeless timely relevant news after they write the the model for infotainment news. So it's perfect to have this person on she has a knack for providing information in a humorous and fun way her belief is that laughter and learning are not mutually exclusive with themes of self-responsibility am looking at the bright side finding your passion gratitude and having a zest for living her talks and Keynotes are an incredible high demand. She lives by the philosophy that every person deserves to be happy at home and at work and that philosophy completely embodies everything and she does from being the president at home. Happy People win to everything that she does in a personal life. Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Jean steel seeing how you doing. You didn't even say that we're friends is not not allowed. Oh my goodness. We are we are very close friends. But you know, I try to be somewhat professional I tell Jaden cleaned up right I said I had had to bring you on the right way with with with some good information. I think I got I got a cover about at least fifty percent of it because you you are it's hard to write a a good elevator pitch for Jeans deal so that I had to do it. That was a lovely you doing good today. I was out. It's fun to talk to a friend awesome thank you know be nerves and so the idea yet today is what we were going to be all about you again, like kind of like I was seeing behind the curtain and flip the lights on and let's just have a gene steel moment. It's every other conversation. I've done it's been easy to come up with a specific set of questions or specific topic or whatever but off your world in your life has been such a culmination Melting Pot of all aspects, right you've lived overseas you've lived in Asia Cup live in Africa topic, you know, we can talk a little bit about that and the fact that your motivational speeches your key notes that you give to businesses and individuals really helped off and I think a very relevant today because of the type of situations that we're in right there's a lot of negativity in the world and folks either aren't feeling positive about themselves about their work about their personal about there. Professional whatever the case would be. So you find that ray of light that ray of sunshine in that that hope and and you give those to the individuals that you talk about talk to us a little bit about I guess let's start with how this whole six month. However long. It's been that we've kind of been shut down a little bit how that's affected you one personally and if so help professionally as well. Well, it's really weird because someone was telling me the other day that they said, you know times been going so fast and I said, I don't even know what day it is and they go off and I said, no, I'm not talking about what day of the month I'm saying. I don't even know what day of the week it is. I mean, it's kind of been a blur and it's funny because in the beginning when I started so I had probably about a dozen he notes for March and April and they moved them to November and December which is funny now, but when you think about it in the job Getting we never thought we would be shut down at the end of this year right when it's just gone on and on and we don't know how to handle this. My sister has off insurance from Cal Poly. We live near San Luis Obispo Cal Poly and they're either late teens early twenties and they said to my sister. How did you handle this? Last time was a pandemic and Mary goes? Yeah. I've never lived through a pandemic really and she does no, no one knows how to handle this and I'll tell you how I've been able to handle it better. I spend a month last year and Uganda and I got very close to a lot of the people I met over there and I get up in the morning from a comfortable bed. I go to my refrigerator where I have food and I make my breakfast and those few things right there birth. Remind me how fortunate I am and I don't minimize anything anybody in the United States is going through but we have so much to be grateful for because so many of my friends who I met over there have nothing and they're not working and they have dirt floors and they don't have electricity. They don't have running water wage. They have to walk four miles to fill up a plastic container for their water. Yeah, and we're pretty we're pretty lucky in the scheme of things and I don't think a lot of Americans realize that we don't realize that there's still people in the world who have literally nothing and interestingly are full of joy. It's amazing. Right because you think about we live in a world or in a society of abundance. So we think you have to have that latest and greatest whatever the case may be. But if you just have those core pieces of faith family friends, you know, whatever really matters as opposed to something materialistic and things of that you really can be happy. If you don't have to be rich in dollars to be successful, right? Yeah and those trips that you take so the one you took to you gotten that actually that was for pleasure right as opposed to cuz you typically travel back and forth across the globe really just to get out and get out of town every now and then right. Well I travel nationally for work. All the time and one of the schools that I do is if I do a keynote it's generally less than an hour. And so I made a deal with myself years ago that when I do that I will spend at least three extra days to travel the area that I'm doing. So when I spoke in DC I stayed for a week, even though I spoke for an hour because d c there's so much cool stuff just awful and well every year I go to a foreign country to do my passion which is animal conservation. So I go off and learn about animal conservation and I come back and talk about it in my key notes and often time raise money for the organization and educate people that wage are losing our favorite species. I mean, our favorite animals orangutans are on the critically endangered list and they are 97% are DNA and birth. Example Benson who was our driver in Uganda. I wrote him and I said, what are you doing since there isn't any tourism now and he said it's very difficult. I may have two children. Then I'm not working and I said, how much does it cost you per month for everything that you need to keep your family afloat and it's less than $100 for everything. So of course for permanent, so in the course of this I sent him $500 and he cried and if I asked a friend in the United States and where I live off it would probably be five graph. And yeah, I don't know if I told you this story about the toilets at the school it oh my gosh. I see this is while I got you on because we never know. I don't know where it's going to go. Now. We're talking before talking orangutans and now we're in the toilet. Oh my God. We went to the school. And of course I fell in love with the students there was a bad a thousand students in the school six hundred boys 400 girls one man is dead in their kitchen and all he did was start fires and cook. These giant bowls of mush that the kids would get for lunch. So I did the Headmaster if you had one. Wish what would it be and he said toilets for the boys what and he said we don't have toilets for the boys. So I said how much would that cost? And he said something in the wrong hands and I said, oh, please have that being Ugandan money. And you said yes in the United States, it would be twenty-two. So I said I'm going to go back to the United States I'm going to page is $22,000 for you. I'll do a GoFundMe and he goes for what and I go the toilets. He goes $2,200. Oh my God. Oh my God for twenty. I didn't tell you. This was such a so I wrote a check for $2,500 in case there was a problem. He sends me pictures. They are officially called genes latrines wage. I gotta go. I can't take it. Isn't it? She's got she's got toilets an African. Where is Tennessee's in Kissimmee? You've done that Jesus latrines and it would need a picture of a big deal. I do have a picture. and again, you can make such a difference and you know, we all do something and I like doing the things that I know make an immediate difference. I mean, I donate to a lot of things they donate to Mercy Ships and UNICEF and a lot of things that are the big organizations, but I also like knowing where my money goes directly and I mean I made friends for life with these people over there and it's it's largely. Yeah, let me ask. So where did that kind of mindset come from? I mean, was that something that was ingrained with you at a young age of always? Conscious on the environment conscious on Humanity conscious on on other folks and things of that the caring nature. Is that something that you've you grew into maybe for through college or what when and where did that start with u? I think growing up in Africa really kind of taught me at a very young age. There are Haves and Have Nots and both my parents instill that made that we are very fortunate and we are here to help others and it's interesting because my parents did not are not religious. We did not go to Africa as missionaries. We went as a supposedly state department and we found out later. My dad was CIA. We didn't even know that when we were over there and I was seven. I had a four three in one year old sister white blonde hair lived in Los Angeles during racial riots in the early sixties my dad moves as over to Ethiopia and we had an amazing child with my brother was born while we were over there. Okay, and we really amassed with the Ethiopians when we left my dad started their police force over there. And when we left they were in lines on the tarmac at the airport's eluding my data and crying saying our fathers leaving us and we did so much for the Ethiopians while we were there and then we went to Asia and we were always giving back and that was kind of in birth. DNA and it's interesting. Now. My siblings are all the same way. We all have jobs where we give back and it isn't this whole we don't take care of ourselves me. Just give back. We have wonderful full lives, but we just realized that part of it is leaving the world a better place. Well, and I think that that actually makes you more of a fulfilled Citizen and do to actually be yes, you've gotten yourself taken care of Buddy you've taken care of what's immediate need to you. And then what's in that immediate sphere of influence, right? But then you can't I don't want to say you can't take it out with you but you've got to be able to share your knowledge. You're learning your abilities with others around you as well. You can't I don't I don't also think that you could be your fulfilled person without giving back to society and community that I mean that that's critical that that's part of being a happy happy fulfilled person. I was thinking about your website right again that it's just that's why you named it that probably right happy people went. Yeah. It's a choice to be happy and I think that You know a lot of people tell me you're so fortunate you get to travel overseas and I say I am fortunate and many people say you're lucky you have the money and I was talking to a friend about it. And I told him that I spent less than half of what he spent taking his family to Disneyland for less than half of that going to Uganda for a month. I spent less flying to Indonesia than I spent flying from here San Luis Obispo to Humboldt in the same thing. That's crazy. Yeah, so we don't really think that through is way cheaper to travel overseas. I mean, I'm just getting massages when I was in Indonesia $10 for an hour. I mean the only reason I didn't get them free time. Is a day is because that would be a little ridiculous, you know, the questions and write you know, why is Jean over here in the massage chair again? Okay. And I I guarantee you I know I believe she's watching right now. I'm sure my wife Jen would be right there with you getting getting those massages. Both of you would've my tie or pina colada in hand and whatever else I sent my friends. Do you think he will when his creepy if I come back again? And I said, do you care and I went no, I don't actually yeah. And it's funny because I am so not a roughing it person and I knew ended up absolutely roughing it on these trips. So it's just take me a while to get back to normal and I joke with my friends that if they get a show Survivor Motel 6, I would not be able to do it and I have been dead. Situations I told my sister I said I almost died in the rainforest and Indonesia. She goes she asked to die. That's a difference and I well either way I'm a guy who's ever perspective it is I am saying take it take it for what it's worth. It's my story again. And anyone else's you know, that's Jack. That's great. Now your your talks and and I guess if you can sum up if someone didn't know or own his own you heard about you right in terms of what genes deal provides a student organization to an individual to what how would you newly pitch Happy People win to an organization right? In in terms of the value-add what's in it for them that that you would bring to them? Because and I'm saying that now because I think all of this that we've talked about already kind of ties in just knowing your personality knowing your mentality off. How would you position having people win and Gene steel to an organization? Well, I think let me step back for a second. And what happened was I was working in a hospital and I was hired to design a preventive medicine program and bottom line is they wanted to save money so they thought if we offered a preventative medicine program and talk to people about what immunization screening diet exercise all of those things that their members would be healthier. They would save money it would be a win-win wage and I have a gentleman in the class who is what we termed a high utilizar. He was coming six to eight times a month to see his primary doctors and Specialists and he shared with me that when he turned forty his health completely deteriorated and he was going to see so many Physicians and he had high blood pressure and he had heart. Leaves and all of these different issues and he attributed to it him turning 40, but when I talked to him more it turned out that when he turned forty his only child had broken her neck and she was paralyzed as a result from the waist down. Okay, and it was so interesting that he didn't think that's something that happened to him externally that caused him stress could have any impact on his physical health and unfortunately his doctors who were overworked didn't even ask him. What was going on you go in for a migraine headache. They treat that they don't say what else is going on in your life, right? So I found out what happened and I referred him to get some help psychologically and I became so fascinated by the Mind Body Connection, and I went back to school and I have my Master's in, New Jersey. Illness in mind-body health and I've had so many aha moments with that working on teaching. I taught it's at stained. I taught at Cal Poly here and a lot of my students had zero stress and then there were finals and they would get sick. I talked spoke at a wedding planners conference and they said oh my goodness our wives wait our wives are brides. Wake up. Wake up the most important day of their life with a migraine your start getting the flu. And so you really can see all around us that when there's external stressors we tend to get sick and so I started a business recognizing that in the workplace when people get stressed and a lot of people have inherently stressful jobs. If you're not in health care, if you're in law enforcement you have inherently stressful jobs, and if you can do things to purposely make yourself feel happier or live a life of gratitude. Find resilience skills. You will be happier in your life and less stressed at work. And so that's why I started the business. So I work with a wide variety of organizations and reminding people what they have to be grateful for and I talked to nurses and I say when someone comes up to in the workplace of family members say so thank you so much for helping my father through this what they tend to do is yeah, you're welcome and walk onto the next patient but instead stopped and listened to the appreciation and gratitude. That's why you're doing the job and we tend to just go from Patient to Patient from call to call and not stop and appreciate. I keep every every college student has ever written me and we know one of the Silver Linings of this whole Copa thing is catching up with people that I'm grateful for my birth. Eyes and I urge everybody to make a list and to find old friends on LinkedIn or Facebook or what twitch whatever pack over the kids are wherever they are and to contact and just catch up with people because that's what life is about. My friend is a chaplain a C Davis Medical and said no one on their deathbed ever says did you see the Beamer in the parking lot? That's mine Harbor is all about family and friends and that to me is about having a grateful heart and I think that's important and that's kind of what my business is about and I love getting the emails from people saying you really made me think or I love when I do a team afterwards people come up to me and say I texted my husband during your presentation just to tell him that I loved him and I have another cute story right before I did a keynote my sister texted me and she goes just want you to know I love you to the moon and back so I shared it with the audience. Yeah and came up to me afterwards and she goes I love that you say said Thursday. And so while you were speaking I texted my three sisters separately and shared with them. I want you to know. I love you. Yeah, but she said you want to see the responses I said, yes. So the first one said I'm freaking out call me immediately. Oh my God. Are you okay all three freaked out? She goes. Well, I guess I need to tell them that more often I go up here. So and I say think about how people would react I hand every interaction with people. I love with I love you. It isn't just off of you and not thinking about it. I think that's important and I always say I will not even have lunch with someone. I don't enjoy life is too short. I like that. I like that Dad. I'm actually write that down myself because that's that's that's that's golden right there. I was going to ask about When you're doing these keynote, so they do an organization and I was going to ask something you just hit on it. Do you have the individuals that come up? Cuz again you're talking to the the whole wide audience but then do you have the individuals that come up and say there's really touched me in a specific way. This is helping me but you have to kind of kind of test on that as well. And that's the powerful piece right you're talking at the fifty thousand foot level about strategies, but then there's something in your message that resonates with individuals and anytime you're given a show a conference or a keynote and the folks that come up to you after birth to want to shake your hand and say yes. Do you know those are the folks that you know, you got you know, you reached one so you got them, right? Oh, I had a man come up to me after I spoke and he was crying and he said I don't want to say anything except. Thank you. And he walked away and it was like, oh my heart and you never know what people's responses and I always think I was just there for them today. And yeah, it's interesting. I had another guy. I was teaching a college class. And he said to me this one class has been very confusing for me. He said this is the best class I've ever taken and I'm really optimistic about my life. I have to tell you my dad says you're foolish it he said he's the president of a bank and who said no adult likes their job. And I said that makes me sad because I had a role model growing up of a dad who loved his work. Yeah, and I said, I'm not bullshiting you. I love what I do. And don't you I like to surround myself with people who love what they do. It is exhausting to me to be around people who count the days to the weekend or till notification and I don't even want to be friends with those people. Yeah, you know why? Why wait till Friday? Why not enjoy each moment he stated off and you know, so so I completely agree with you on that as well. You know, I I tell my wife I told you in this a lot of times that I am satisfied content. I'm very happy with what I do, right? I could go out and and again shoot for the moon shoot for the stars to do a whole bunch of different things got the skills got the got contacts or whatever, but the folks that I work with on a dog. Databases two things that I get to do the work-life balance that I have the freedom of even though we're locked down right now. If I wasn't I would be able to be home every single night, you know, fake grass help help with the kids and do do all those things. Those things are more valuable than having whatever title having whatever, you know, Place faith in the who's who magazine or you know, those types of things like I really resonate with with with that message as you said just now they're yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah. I remember years ago. I was dating this guy who comes from a very wealthy family in Santa Barbara and he graduated from Harvard and Instagram made a lot of money and I was working at a non-profit in Santa Barbara and one night. He said to me because I find you so fascinating. You're very smart and off. You don't make any money and they said you know, I'm not even Thirty and I'm the head of this amazing program for Santa Barbara County. And because yeah, but you don't make any money. So I said in this poem about when you die, it's so cool to be remembered for you know, making children laughing or making a public garden and I never heard from him again. So I just assumed lost my number but it is interesting how in the United States we could do tend to be impressed by things that do not impress me. I'm impressed by your heart and what you've done for people not what kind of car you drive. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love that now. So here here's a challenge to with that whole mentality that mindset because I love that and I agree with that how long You've finding the strength to stay positive stay focused on those goals and that mindset in today's challenging world, right? I mean there there's Political social and economic Financial so so everything right? I mean if you look at the grand scheme of things really it's all not that bad. It's only this much that's bad wage is what we focus on because this is what the new cycle focuses on but how do you how do you change that whole dynamic with folks in your circle of folks when you're talking down to you stay focused again knowing that every all the major news networks are shooting you with just as bad as bad as bad yet. Yeah, there's some things that are happening that really need to be talked about and addressed. But how do you rise above that? How do you rise above that? Well a couple of things one is I don't have a television and I grew up without one and then after nine-eleven I got rid of that because I was obsessed watching twenty-four-seven the planes crashing into the towers over and over and there was absolutely no need for me to rehash the news over and over and I was in a funk and I donate a lot of money off then I also will get calls and I'd say instead of paying me I'd like you to make a donation to one of my Charities which is wrong also win-win for me. I love that another thing I did and I started a new program called happy people power off. And I interviewed. 18 of my friends who are total bad asses. Yeah and to introduce them to the world and it's a program that I just started and I needed to be reminded that there are people out there who are resilient and who are doing amazing things. So my friend Cameron fifteen years old got stinking drunk passed out on the railroad tracks got run over by a train lost both of his legs and the wheels were so hot. It cauterized the cuts over cut off his arm right here and survive and it's one of the most joyful people I know when he could be just Like laying in bed for the last fifteen years being a total baby. He's going to Cal Poly becoming a probably will end up being kind of an occupational therapist with physical therapists and these people who are just so resilient. I'm introducing them to the world and I now need to be around those people so I don't get pulled into reading the negativity because we have the fires. We have Ruth Bader Ginsburg who's one of my home girls passing away. And so and also just stay off as much as I can social media. I also started this thing and I really don't think anybody can do this. So I was speaking at a conference in Arizona and I met a guy there can who works with children's health initiative and not he lives in Connecticut. I have another friend who lives in London who started a program. I wanted to do certain human leaders on purpose and she was working with Harvard and they created something called the fourth sector and it's companies who are looking at sustainability and equality as part of their parameters. How did Judge their business not just making money is making the world a better place. So she does that and then two friends who live in Spain and we have monthly calls on how to make the world a better place. I love that. I hang up after each call and cry. It just makes me happy. And so I think I need to do that. I need to surround myself with people who are killing it. Yeah, and who makes me feel like and there are people out there and I'll tell you something I do and people think with so weird and funny but it works. So one of my friends Janet rights for having to post and I love reading her step. So I wrote her an email and I said, my name is James steel. You are my favorite writer at home. Please check the following. Will you be my best friend box? Yes, but no and I spend and if you wrote back and just checked. Yes, Google you're so weird Lego. I want to know if you want to be my best friend and snow now we're friends dog. And people go. Well, it's their loss and I've only had one person right back and I'm really busy wage. Well too bad to bet your loss your loss. You don't know what you're missing out on you missing out on this Gene filled with your missing there. But I I just love meeting people and I think everybody has a story everybody. Yeah me too, huh? I have a story but I'm more focused on faith reaching out and pulling people in and letting them talk about themselves. Right? I think greed that everybody has a story. Yes, I do agree. And I think everyone has a positive story that that Irregardless of whatever situation they've been through in life. There is a story that you can tell that we either can help you or help someone around you that you tell it to right so that that I think is something that has not happened enough especially again during these dramatic and and and and in difficult times folks aren't expressing themselves and communicating the good as well as the bad. Yeah. So yeah, and I think that we need to listen. I think that as a culture we have forgotten how to listen and I think that we we need to listen if we're going to make any positive changes in this world. I also think and this is the de popular thought but I see myself as a citizen of the world not just an American citizen. and I think it's a dangerous place to be to only care about us. I think we need to care about Humanity angry and it scares me the more I read about what we spend money on that. There's people who don't have enough to eat or don't have health care and we're spending money on mass Graves anything. great, you know it's perspective, right and again and bring it back into kind of the story of this series perspectives and focus which is why these longer thought-provoking conversations that keeping that in perspective because again, we've got so much abundance here and we really do right when you've got all-you-can-eat restaurants when when you've got when you've got a 30,000 square-foot malls and and you can go and buy anything under this and you can have you can order something from Amazon today and have it to your house that night right just that convenience that accessibility but then you start taking that for granted you get a different view in a different perspective of just life in general when you travel and and I'm sure you know come from a military family to where I've had more stamps in my passport before I was a teenager than than it did many other folks. So I've been able to see Germany Japan Italy off these other places across the globe ride and come back home and appreciate their and here right and and and have the ability to wage. Engage with different personalities how their ability to have conversations with different types of folks who agree and or disagree with me cuz cuz that's that's critical as well. Right? Cuz you don't want to surround yourself with folks that are just yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. Yes folks in your in your corner all the time, right you kind of want to have that that that challenge as well folks that disagree with you. I think make you stronger and make you more healthy in my opinion. I agree and I think that meeting as many people from all over as possible is so important so I became friends with the young man who is a song deeper in a Conservation Center in Kampala in Uganda. And so I went to the Santa Barbara Zoo and I said I want to bring him here and we do a trade and have one of your Keepers go to Kampala and they said no we can't do that risk management wise wage. We will help you bring him over here. And unfortunately, we're going to do it in the fall. And so I talked all these people we got a place for him to live and he hasn't seen the ocean. He hasn't been on a plane is going to be overload. I mean, he makes $3 us toll-free going out and buying a loaf of bread that costs. And so I think that I don't know. There's so much I want to do there's so many people I want to introduce to each other and I will tell you I am not one of those old people that are talking about those. Damn Alistair is famous for the Generation theme. They are they we need that more young people in politics. They are going to be the best thing that happens and I will tell you to one of the reasons I love the younger generation so much is because of your kids. Your mom lives are nominal and thank God for the younger generation and little things like them not going to stay at the same job for fifty years, you know, the gold watches will be gone. Yeah their their interest in so many fields the ability for them to go online job. And learn about things and not being so dogmatic and just so many exciting things and I'm not going to be around to see Jordan becomes president, but I know it will happen. We we we were talking about our fill in one of those nine spots. No. No, she's cuz she's going into that field. So to speak with science definitely righting wrongs and and and legal those types of things. So I know she's not going to the school you want her to go to but I didn't want to wear any used Volkswagen right now, but I just want to be here because I could be her Central Coast Mom. That's true that that is true. But yeah, that's not too far. Right, you know, she's not far I could still go now. Yeah. Yeah, but but I I agree I might cease. Focused and she's aware what's going on? And I think that whole generation cuz all of the folks that she's tied with that are in her age group that she graduated with as well are very cognizant of what's going on socially politically economically all of that across the board, right and they're now at this point making their own voice heard, right? They they've gotten to a point they graduated high school or or some of them are still getting in high school and they're having a voice any kind of way. They're they're talking amongst themselves. They're they're sharing something online. But either they're they're expressing themselves. And for the most part as positive right there a couple of folks that you know, you still gotta kind of mold or you got you got to put them on the right path, you know, they're going down the rabbit hole, but for the most part that generation really is aware of right and wrong and it's looking for Solutions. They're mobilizing right if if there's any one word is Grassroots that you can log Might as well, right? They're really trying to find a way that you know what some of these things are. Not right? We have to correct them. Some of these things are good. Let's keep them and and they're being very very active in their in their activism. So I'm especially proud to see that happening for the most part across the board. Yeah. Yeah. It's a crazy time as you said there's so much happening right now and where we can't go out, but we need to go out with. I don't know. I I do have to say that it can be overwhelming for me with so much going on and I feel hopeless and a lot of it. I started volunteering in January for a group called restorative Partners here and I'm going to be a mentor to someone a newly out of prison and that's what the training I'm going through. So I'm learning about the history of incarceration in our country, which is giving me a lot of this stuff about so this is not mentally healthy for me to be going through but I am learning a lot and so I I didn't have any idea which when I learned something new like that it shocks me that I was so naive about so much and was sometimes things off. Can I learn any more? I don't know if I can handle any more of this negativity against something that I do need to know and it will help me at least help my personal life through this process of acclimating back into the world after being in prison. And so it's been very interesting learning about them. And it's also hard to go through a training online because I like the in-person stuff is the fascinating that I've been comfortable doing payments on life because I am such a hunger and and I feed from the energy in the room. So it's it's shocking that I can do it online, but I'll probably continue to do some online because it's certainly cheaper to do it. Like this instead of flying out in Nebraska for a 50-minute Keno. There you go. They don't have to pay for your airfare. Right and everything you make an ad that more into your into your life as opposed to paying paying for that Delta flight. I mean, I didn't even know. Oh my all the Cornhuskers. Our fans are going to be mad dog. Now she's drinking wine and you know, it's three. I'm drinking the coffee Corner that skirt. Oh my god. Look. Again, she doesn't have a television lady's attention. I'm not a sports fan coax. Very nice cup you got there. Okay, you have neat. Oh, yeah after his farm Strawberry Hill in high school girl said Boone's Farm from oh my gosh. I know you're too young to probably even know about that. No, I know about some Boone's Farm and pack p b r and all those back in the day, but those are bad. Remember he's I don't want to memorize memorize some of those. Yeah. They still have Williams Farm. I just did a training for a company and they sent me a case of it Boone's Farm costs fifty cents per bottle or it's about a dollar. It's now it's off. It's not cheap anymore $2. It's go all out and you know not not going to pay you in cash. But what we're going to do is send you a A case of strawberry Boone's Farm. Oh well guess what else you can now throw up? and yellow it comes in three flavors. Florida ship it to me than it costs for them to buy the line. There you go. I know and it's still funny though. Yeah, I yeah easy access right with this company again I got Let me ask you let me ask you a question about. Your your travels again as well. I keep want to go go back to that because I think that is shaped so much about who you are. And how much time you you grew up in Asia Europe in Africa. Have you lived outside of their have you lived anywhere else besides San Luis Obispo work where you are now or where those kind of the main to main three locations. I know I lived in Florida in Virginia in Montana. A little while in North Carolina. Okay, and that's it. Okay. And well. We're in Virginia Indiana right outside of DC. Cuz when you came back to the States, my dad worked in D C ROM. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz we were stationed at Langley in Virginia as we were in Hampton and the whole Newport News area and all of my extended family is over in Maryland and DC Fredericksburg and Richmond, Virginia that kind of area. Oh really? I worked at poisonous Corner when I came back to the States. So this is interesting. So I came back to the States. I ended up going to five high schools. So I came back and I went to Bye I needed one class to graduate. and American history, cuz obviously that wasn't offered in the schools overseas and I had gone to Taipei American school was my last school overseas. Okay. Well I found out I need one class to graduate and the first class of the day was American history wage. I knew I could take that. So I wanted to Tysons Corner Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor and I applied for a job. And I said I need I'm going to take American history right after that. I can drive over here and work for the day. Okay, so I got the job. So I go to school the day to register and they said the class was full and I said I'm a senior don't I get special privilege? They go cheerleaders get special. Oh, no. Oh, so I I said then I'm dropping out of school and they get have your parents come in. So I called my mom and she came in. She goes that is ridiculous. I said I know so we met with the principal and he said yeah, tell your daughter she can. And drop out. My mom said she's going to drop out that is ridiculous. Why did cheerleaders get preference while he wasn't expecting that she backed me up and I go out to the car. We're looking at each other going. What are you going to do? And I went I don't know. What are we going to do? So you said well you can go to night school. So we went over to night school and it was really off the f g. So we were a little scared and so we went to the school that was in Falls Church. And we said I know you don't allow like Adam District, but this is the situation and they said okay. Well, I didn't know anybody in that school. And so I went there for a semester and then I said to my parents, you know, if I graduate from Law School in California, then they'll I can be a resident and I can go to school free. So in my senior year my. Let me move by myself and I rented a room by myself in California only seventeen and I graduated from um, California school. I went to school to register who's your guardian and I go I don't have a guardian so they told my mom and she goes off. Oh, does she have to have one we didn't think about that and they go well, she's supposed to and I didn't have one. So isn't that crazy little details that were slightly overlooked but implanted out they were pretty crazy, too. So I graduated by myself. And it's saying yeah see but that's a story that not everyone can tell that's a that's a great story to that. You know, you've been there and and kind of gone through that shift you all the way from the east coast to the West Coast to go to school yet one class to take and you went to class which is which is the thing too. I mean most kids probably I wouldn't have I wouldn't have gone to class. I don't know off as well. I went to watch TV shows films. I'm almost every day and it was super fun. Yeah, I forgot about that. It was pretty exciting. You got your life is just I know you've written a book. You gotta write another book. You know, my only life regret is that I didn't keep a journal. Yeah, because we did have some pretty amazing experiences and my dad didn't always think things through and we did have some pretty crazy things that happen to us. Well, and my mom actually was more kind of the pants and our family and that my dad would just suggest these crazy things and And we do them and then my mom would think later when we first moved to Ethiopia. So here I am 7 5 4 and 1/2. It's white blond hair early sixties Ethiopia we get in my Dad's Jeep and we just drive and we are in the middle of nowhere. No roads get a flat tire. Yeah. Well my dad changes it we continue driving. I mean there are no roads a native throws a spear at the tire no gas station off. My dad takes the tire off and just hikes looking for something. So we're alone in the car for like 3 hours and we're seeing Girl Scout songs, and there's a big circle of life easy opium's around us just staring at us and later is adults. We said mom you are so calm because I wanted to kill your father, but I couldn't let you guys realize that so my dad 5 a.m. It came back and there is just I mean they were looking at us like we were in a zoo and no one came toward the car and they were just watching this and I know you'll see you realize that could go in a whole bunch of different directions, right? You're you're you're driving in Ethiopia and you flat tire. Someone throws a spear at the tire. Wait, wait a minute what I know about that. So, you know, we can talk about that for for for an hour and then you're being you're being circled by by the natives as they're like, what is this? What is family doing here? They look a little bit out of replaced right now. And this was both. Hepatitis because they were little they drank water out of the faucet out and then my dad got malaria and my mom got calcified cork worms, and she was told not to eat the meat. But she did she was written American Journal of Medicine. Because it got so bad is that right? They weren't they didn't know that you could get calcified court forms and they'd stay in her arm what is going on with no, but you know again we the Ethiopians to me or the most beautiful people on Earth. They were so lovely to us and my dad really loves the part of his heart when he left there and again so kind and I felt so safe over there and really it was a wonderful place to grow up. And I met Haile Selassie. Really while you were there were yeah twice I learned how to person which is always a good skill to have in your back pocket just in case there you go. There you go there you little etiquette right? They, you know, you never know when you're going to have to drink Boone's Farm and you gotta Kurt so you don't know that's a good way to say. Hello song say, I don't know. I don't know where else to go because I'm I told you again planning this I didn't have any idea the terms of where we would go but lo and behold we tipped for 58 minutes right now, and I'm overwhelmed in a great way you as always have have just provided Choice say you provided Humor. I mean, you're one of the funnest persons on the planet. I would tell you that for sure and you gotta write that book again. Tell us real quickly. What's what's next for you. What's next for Jean? What's next for the organization Happy People win and maybe the other portion that happy people power or what? You know, what's next with you coming for the for the rest of this year. Maybe, you know, I'm kind of going to be status quo I think for the rest of the year and then next year. I'd like to get back. I'd like to do two trips next year. I'd like to go back to Bangkok where I was in junior high and visit some of the elephant reserves and I'd like to go back to Ethiopia and Kenya and visit some friends and just catch up. I'm really fortunate and you've met my mom. She's going to be 89 this year birth. And I'm so lucky. She is my best friend. She lives next door, and I don't know other than that. Just continue what I'm doing. I really love my life and I live my bucket list. I don't want to be those a person who says when I retire then the fun starts. I don't want to be that song. I want to every single day of my life. I want to run wild which is my book and I want to visit my friends and I want you to do the things that I love to do. I don't want to have any regrets living every day to the fullest. Yeah, and you you are that is if you look that up in the dictionary that that is definitely you for sure seeing thank you very much for your time. Thank you for your your storing but more importantly thank you for your friendship. You are an amazing person. You've been an inspiration to my kids my wife myself as well. And I know everyone who you touch and you have an engagement Swift and in your in your conversations your Keynotes your conference as a just walking down the street home. They gotta walk away with a smile. So for for that I say, thank you very much. You are so welcome. Thank you for inviting me anytime anytime be well my friend. I will talk to you soon. We will be down there hanging out on the beach. I got I got to stay away from the cat though, but I will I will be there and winning out again soon. My guest room is the animal. Free done. Yeah, I'm coming cuz you almost killed me last time but I'll be you know, I know that's not good we can talk about should be good by Joe Walsh.