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Is Going To The Movies Considered Hanging Out? Ghostbusters 3, Netflix, A Star is Born, Origin, Alien, George RR Martin
On the November 14, 2018 episode of /Film Daily, /Film editor-in-chief Peter Sciretta is joined by /Film weekend editor Brad Oman and senior writer Ben Pearson to talk about the latest film and tv news, including Ghostbusters 3, Netflix, A Star is Born, Origin, Alien: Awakening, and George RR Martin. And in the Mailbag, we’ll read some listener responses and answer a question about hanging out at the cinema. You can subscribe to /Film Daily on iTunes, Google Play, Overcast, Spotify and all the popular podcast apps (here is the RSS URL if you need it). Opening Banter: We are recording early because Peter is covering a Wreck-It Ralph VR event. In The News: Brad: Dan Aykroyd Still Thinks ‘Ghostbusters 3’ is Possible, Keeps Trying To Make “Fetch” Happen Ben: Netflix to Experiment With Cheaper Price Tier to Expand Global Reach Brad: ‘A Star Is Born’ Could Have Starred Real Musician Jack White as Jackson Maine Ben: ‘Origin’ Early Buzz: YouTube Premium’s New Sci-Fi Show Has Potential Brad: ‘Alien: Awakening’ Could Return to Alien Home World, If It Gets Made at All Ben: Hulu Wants to Build Its Own George R.R. Martin Universe With Two ‘Wild Cards’ TV Shows In The Mailbag: Last week we collectively said how Cassian Andor was our least favorite part of Rogue One. Pablo from Fort Wayne Indiana wrote in a defense:“I just listened to your Friday podcast this morning and it made me want to write you because you said in the episode you didn't think anyone really wanted a Cassian Andor show. I can tell you the buzz around Latino Twitter is big on this. Personally I couldn't be more excited to be seeing a Star Wars show led by a Latino. This is something I always wanted as a kid, a Latino in the Star Wars universe? It would've been huge for me. As far as performances go I thought he was one of the people who shined in Rogue One and I loved his character because he was the one who'd been in the struggle for years already so he gave weight to the Rebellion (in my mind). I had a nephew who loved Rogue One because of Cassian and his character is a reason he started loving Star Wars. I remember for when The Force Awakens came out, the following Halloween my nephew told me he couldn't dress as Jedi because there weren't any Mexican Jedi's and it broke my heart, what I told him is besides the point, but even if Cassian isn't a Jedi, he's someone to look up to and for younger generations to see themselves as. Anyways I just wanted to share my 2 cents as a Star Wars lover and Latino about how excited I am for the new show because representation matters in media and this could be really important for younger generations and Diego Luna deserves it (he's also going to be leading Narcos season 4).” Peter asked what MCU side characters would you like to see get a Disney Streaming series:Alan Wise in Atlanta, GA wrote in “I would like to see a series featuring the three friends of Scott Lang/Ant-Man surrounding their X-Con business.” HT and Chris couldn’t understand why Boba Fett was so beloved.Declan from Toronto writes in “Love the Podcast and after today's show I wanted to shed some light on HT's and Chris’ question on why Boba Fett is a beloved Star Wars Character to a good portion of fans. It really stems from the Star Wars Legends. There were several comics and books (Legacy of the Force Bloodlines for example) that expanded on the character and really detailed the complex background of Boba as well as how badass of a fighter and strategist he was. He was depicted as a true anti-hero. What George Lucas did to him in Return of the Jedi did not do him any justice and it's not the first time George exploited a potential great character for comedic relief (falling clumsily into the Sarlacc pit). Just a point of view, and yes the action figures were badass as well 😄.” Kolin from San José writes in “Hopefully you can help me out on this disagreement my cousin and I have. Do you consider going to a movie with someone “hanging out”? If you go with your significant other, is it considered a date? Hypothetically, let’s say it’s just the movie and you won’t be getting food before or after. Thanks!” Other articles mentioned: How A Ghostbusters Reboot Connection To The Original Movie Is Still Possible All the other stuff you need to know: You can find more about all the stories we mentioned on today’s show at slashfilm.com, and linked inside the show notes. /Film Daily is published every weekday, bringing you the most exciting news from the world of movies and television as well as deeper dives into the great features from slashfilm.com. You can subscribe to /Film Daily on iTunes, Google Play, Overcast, Spotify and all the popular podcast apps (RSS). Send your feedback, questions, comments and concerns to us at email@example.com. Please leave your name and general geographic location in case we mention the e-mail on the air. Please rate and review the podcast on iTunes, tell your friends and spread the word! Thanks to Sam Hume for our logo.
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157 - Live at the Civic Theatre in San Diego
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We met a gal in the meat angry, who's our mom. It's debating where fighting about affects. She owns a restaurant in. I just had it something beach imperial beach. Yes. Called L tapa te'o. And she's like we we want to send you food backstage. Like, here's been says phone number give it to you. Right away. I joked hair. What you say? And they didn't. And it was good and was very blow talking real Mexican food damage. I hate to start with a complaint. But when you're on the road. No, you don't and you're in. Yeah. I don't at all. It's very natural. For me feels best actually. When you're on the road and late night options. You know what? I mean, we finish shows. Sometimes then Vince is like here's the places you can go, and it's like oftentimes Mexican we'll be choice in that. But like when you're in Ohio, you're like first of all, these are Dido scoop. So I don't know what the fuck. Yeah. You'd think I'm supposed to believe about your Mexican restaurant, right? Right. So right. But I feel like you guys have a lot of pressure like fucking better have the best Mexican in California. And then you do congratulations. Because. Oh, she wrote. She wrote stay sexy and don't get bloated. And we did and I've been belching so much backstage so much. So you guys. Clashing tip from from from over in Hollywood. From. So if you're dressed doesn't fit you. There's this really great way to make it fit you which is bust out the zipper in the back. Belt over. That way. But you have to stay on a stage the whole if you're going to wear the dress. Right. You can't mingle. To be real right one direction about this isn't a twirling podcast. The city. We I got these remember that first time we got somebody for real too. Did you give them to that would be I would cry? I would commit suco. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I learned use it in a sentence. I learned I don't just make mistakes and walk away. I fucking corporate them in small vocabulary permanently. It's called shame based learning. What's all with me? The new Montessori way of teaching. You wash the child's feet. And then you say look at your disgusting. Your own next time. Never clean never be clean enough. How how shoes they're really cute? Thank you. That was they are. Thank you. Listen. We're doing ads now live shows. So so so gross pay less. You wouldn't believe? There for cloth. They don't with us anymore anyways. So with us they don't add anymore now. But there I have every color of them because they're so comfortable. Yeah. They're company called Chelsea crew. I'm just going to give them a shout out because they've never mind because you love ads you love Steve. Cut it out. Red flag. He's not here. Red flag. He's with cats. Should be as the Lord wants. Ellis. I'll tell this Elvis the cat Lord. And like, he's shamed. Me a little bit because he just posted a photo of Elvis on my cats Instagram, I give him the password while I'm gone. He does that sure and keep the sitting on this chair, but the paint the door that he's sitting in front of is just peeling paint Scher. So I look really I mean, it makes me look terro. Like, I can't keep a home right, which I can't I feel like this is how Stephen teaches you lessons about your home. And and how and good housekeeping. Shame based shame based housekeeping tips Instagram based shame based that's happened to me though. I take pictures of my dogs like oh my God. You're so cute in them. When I go to look at the picture. There's like. Weird dark baby handprints on the wall. You don't own a baby. Wait, a second baby. And then my have who can't watch his feet, but can't watch his hair. Who held the wall who bent over and grabbed my wallet. When I wasn't a Chem side down. How there when you're like? Oh, no. I didn't I posted that photo. Didn't check the the what are they called nightstands to see what I left on that night. Red. Guys. This is my murder the. This is Georgia hearts are. We have a nice Canadian kit cut for the hometown per. And tucked inside a five hundred dollar Bill, but it's Canadian. -tuni-? It's it's a looney saloon. Ian, there's five hundred loonies inside. What I don't what pockets in my everybody likes. Yes. Right. When will I learn that, I don't have to just hold my microphone in my hand. Doc. It's benches dresses were not made for function or comfortably right? That wasn't women's concern back then that was none of their business. I have the spirit after going to so many vintage shops that tiny skinny women had no fun in the vintage days because every little teeny tiny extra small dress is in perfect condition. But you any like legit mediums? We're having so much fun. They they're fucking dresses. They had to throw those away at the end of the night or the skinny girls. Fuck their dresses up so much that they don't exist anymore. They're like here. Okay. Rent falls off. And they're like enjoy enjoy my body. It's it'll be eighty five dollars. No, that's not what her body. No. I meant the dress. Now, we're into sex work immediately at the top show. No dress work was like finally, dress work, not sex work. That's right. Oh, I took a expired allergy pill. So keep an eye on me. Great for the night. If any if I do anything that sounds like step one towards math. Right is not the first thing you buy. I snorted it. Oh, here's a funny anecdote from when we drove out where we're so excited to be kicking off our twenty nineteen spring tour here in San Diego. Kneeling so. So we it's also excited because we drive down. It's not really like being on tour because we're like, okay, we'll leave and then up here. How wonderful to bring our full-size hair sprays and shampoos I coat site. Brought jackass I brought. And on the way, we stopped it in and out to eat do. Because we love Christ. And. And we wanted on our cups that we love him. Well, I won't drink out of anything else. Read the were read the word in tiny font at the bottom of a paper Cup. You got trick people into. That's like you're not even getting it's your Cup. But then that message is supposed to be for someone with like the best vision in the world's sitting across from you. John three sixteen. What's this all about? I'm going to look that up. So anyway, oh, yeah. We ate we worshiped. And after we're about to get into the car. This is in barest and the best kind of anecdote, and you guys know I think we've talked about this on the show before that Georgia, my favorite comedy that Georgia. Does I like to think just for me is? She likes to do fund body surprises fun surprises. What's really fun is? When you dress like this, you can get away with a lot more. Yes. So it's funny when you fired and you're wearing address like. Just like now you've art and go like that at the same time. And it's funny and fun and surprising. Also a little bit violent pudding. I also I've told the story, but when we when we were in New York a couple of months ago, I went down to get something I left something in her hotel room. So I went down to get it, and I knocked on her door, and then she just through the door open. Totally make it. Really big is make. It's funny. It's hilarious and shocking. So. So we're in this room, we go in I go into the stall. I she's washing her hands before UP. I didn't. I just wanted. Just the smell up my fingers. So that's an important part of the story. It's key. And also that they were very oddly shaped stalls. So the stall I went into and I did check to make sure no one who had like extra Meads needed. It. No one else was there. It was the big one that I like to treat myself to every once in a while when I feel like really stretching out. Public bathrooms. So. I go into that one. But what Georgia doesn't realize there is a it's not one huge stall. There's also very strangely narrow second stall next to my stall, guess what someone's in it? Guess what else? I didn't know that. So then I hear her. I think I like, hey, I think I you did little send up of. Yeah. Like, a guess what? Karen? That's what I hear in the stall. But then who? It means the world to me that you're trying to entertain me. It really does. I what I appreciate it. Then I hear some lady shuffling around in the narrow stall. And all I here's to her to go. Somebody. And then at McCarron opens are solid. He's coming out and just has believable nodding at me. It's the best thing ever. She fucking paper tells off her hands and out of there. So I'm washing my hands like almost crying laughing. And then shuffles comes out of her stall. The only one there. She thinks I did. That was like a onion. It was like a six layer joke that you did on me where I like fun and funny, then it was like I got to laugh at you. And then Zinger on me, my hands of that onion and fuck it later. There. Onions for me. This allergy medication is already not working. Oh, that's great. You feel your nose dripping? I'm going to let it go. Do you want to sit down? Let's do it. Yeah. Shares that we stained earlier today. We're actually taking them home. It's why we drove here. We actually drove a U haul. Just to take home. Our chairs. Oh god. They're good. Oh my goodness. You know, what's the worst is when the chairs have sides as if the chair saying you have to fit in here. No, I don't have to fit in there. We broke the sides off these cherry broke. And we were like let's be lot shorter than the table would be five. Let's do like a kind of funny kids shows style setup. You know, look really good is if we like. And here we are. Here's the cat. We've this last night. Oh, yeah. Very quickly. We should just explain to all the poor poor people who have never listen to this podcast. 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It's multi tonal ammonia free and made with ingredients that you can feel good about I've been dying my hair at home for over a decade. And I love the convenience of getting all that color stuff that you have to go to the store usually for delivered to my house, plus medicine redoes, really have a good solid product. That's so much better than box color. Find your perfect shade for Madison Reed. Get an expert color consultation or take the color quiz at Madison. Dash Reed dot com. My favorite murder listeners. Get ten percent off plus free shipping on their first color kit with code my favorite murder. That's code my favorite murder at Madison dash re dot com. Go by. Okay. I think I'm for you are I. You. Yesterday, was lightened fun and slippy and airy assured and tonight is not going to be that right? I spent it's one of those word like around. Sorry, three thirty this afternoon. I thought fuck what am I doing? I need to find a different murder went through all these things. It can having this that couldn't find anything else. I'm gonna fuck and do it, and I'm going I so then you can pick up. Funny at the end. Okay. Good all be funny with mime Urter. All of this to say that I am doing the Torrey Pines beach murders. I've been following this for quite some time. It has it's fucking fascinating fucked up. Let's get into. Yes, shall we hate caring, Torrey, Pines beach and state park. Let me tell you about it. Please. Do it's one of the most visited places in San Diego. Congratulations. That regard. It has two thousand acres of beautiful close coastal reserve where people can hike surfer swear. It's an idyllic paradise. Some would say but over the past forty years it became the site for two of San Diego's most brutal murders. I love the girl. I'm okay here. We go. So second week of August, nineteen seventy eight here, we are Barbara Nanto mantis her parents were going to town for the weekend and barbs father pulled her boyfriend who's seventeen year old hot fucking surfer -ted who's like one of the surfer dudes all hot show me and ugly surfer. I love to see one truly never once seen one. But he's like a cool one. And they've been dating for nine months in love. He said the moment he saw her fellow with her and dad bowls her aside. Barbara's fifteen he says fucking keep my daughter safe while I'm gone and gyms gyms name. His name's Jim like, you got it. We're saying. But teenagers Lucking assholes as we own though, we've all been them before. And so Barbara was beautiful cheerleader high school and her family described her as popular funny outspoken more than just a pretty face her mom called or a wonderful pain in the ass, which I feel like my mom would call me that too that makes cry. In. So as teenagers are Dicks almost as soon as parents left. They were like go by and the gym and barb hopped into car with another couple, and they drove to Tori, Tori, pint beach, and then for a party and there around nine thirty that night, the four of them were like, let's get the fuck outta here teenagers, we wanna make out and so the couple they were with took the station wagon had come in and barb. And Jim we're like, let's go sleep on the beach. And so they Ziff they're fucking sleeping bags together and fell asleep in each other's arms. I know let me tell you the worship ever. Sorry. What years this seventy eight gorgeous amazing here? Yes. Okay. The next morning Jim wakes up. He's cold, wet and alone. He realizes that the wetness is blood. He's been knocked on had been knocked unconscious. He's disoriented. He feels way along the fence gets to the car, and like raps on the window, and his friend said he saw him in the only way he recognized him was because of his like white hair, his blonde surfer hair. His he he says go look for Barbara this guy runs down. He finds her lifeless body by lifeguard tower, seven that call nine one one when they get their Jim rushed to the hospital, but Barbara's dead she had severe head wounds and. She had also been raped. So Jim had been savagely beaten with a rock analog from a fire pit he had brain trauma and was in a coma for days, but he survived. Wow. Yeah. And they police briefly investigated him as a suspect. But then they're like, I don't think he did it. They have to. Yeah. That's what they have to do. Right. And. Police don't find any promising leads in the next couple of months were offered all this crazy shit. But nothing happens and it runs cold. The case six years later in the summer of nineteen Eighty-four clear Hof six years later, she's fourteen she's into hard rock. She's like a free spirit that she's not a crazy rebel. She's just really warm and creative gregarious her friend said her friend Kim said that she in a field of sunflowers. She was an orchid and so clear was in San Diego for the summer. Visiting her grandparents who lived by the Tory beach Torrey, pine beach and Claire was from Rhode Island came out with her brother. She brought her friend Kim, they hung out. The best time Kim was going to go home the night before and Kim and Claire went to the beach at night to just hang out and smoke secret cigarettes. And Kim Her friend who was about to leave like started having a panic attack the minute, they got down there and was so freaked out by being at the beach in the dark because she was like, we don't know anyone could be watching us, and we don't know. So she made clear take her home. And then she yelled at Clare and made her promise when she left. She wouldn't go out there alone again. So basically that girl was having some psychic vibe. Yeah. Basically listen to that instincts. Please listen to your friend when you have bad feelings of open space. You could be right smoke a cigarette out your bedroom window like go to very well lit Denny's smoke right at the front door. He has they can't do shit to you. Remember when you used to smoke as a teenager and Denny inside? Say smoking or non or non you're eating a waffle here. And then someone's just fucking Capri light right here is really skinny ones member capris the best what alive. Just dipped your grilled cheese and ketchup and ashes. Okay. So let me show you clear before look at her dinner, amazing hair. How cute she is. They both looked like they have the spark in their is. They're like up for fun. They also have San Diego natural girl thing jealous of is that way last night when the hometown girl came on stage, and she said she was from somewhere. And she goes, it's basically the Petaluma of San Diego and Karen got angry. It was a how dare you moment. A night the knights L this. Yes. And then usually like where you're from. And she'll say she's from it's the Petaluma of San Diego and turns a Karen and warmly one of us without so what's your home our hometown? She turns the care of Perrin just stared at her. Like a beat too long. I was like, what's your home? Yes. She wasn't even facing you question. It was super weird because I it was just. I try to be Thuc and professional, but sometimes it's overwhelming to be on this stage. And I I just had like interior moment. Essentially, just like I bet it's not like pedalo you asked her about pets. Or they animals and everyone's backyard. Like, yeah, there's a goat. My neighbors. Fucking ice this girl who couldn't have been nicer to remove here tonight. I'm fucking you. Don't know what I'm gonna do next at site. You're trying to be nice and say you're towns like my town. I thought in down I shut you down. It's a miracle. You talking to me after the first. You never offended me by saying that you thought you knew where I was from. That's the ultimate insult to me. I would never say such a thing would never compare might down to your a revive is not like Petaluma. It would be cool. If I actually went to Delaney's town and walked in. It's like exactly like pedal or I'm like, wait. Is that mild house? What if what if there's a sign that says the pedal Luma? Mike, dear Delaney. I owe you a thousand apologies McCarron of that. I could keep going cared of the town comes I don't like you. I don't like you either figure this out. So we can have a better life. I'd love to like you. She's just got an amazing tan though, you know, it really like really even skin tone. Go thought that Karen it's not fair. See that's the comedy part. I'm gonna get back that I'm this is called stalling. We're going back to the bad part. Now, it's going to get super fucking awful. Here we go here we go. Okay. On the. Unfortunately, clear broker promised to Kim about not going knew she was going on August. Twenty fourth nineteen Eighty-four Clair's body was discovered by beachcomber near the bridge and lifeguard tower of tower, five member barb had been at seven, and it's a few hundred yards from our Barbara had been killed and like Barbara Clare that beaten and strangled and other insane links between the two of them, but the Termine that Claire hadn't been raved. So for decades after both cases after cases are cold. But detectives FBI profiler 's they sporadically investigating them nothing ever surfaces. They thought that the cases were obviously connected because there were so many similarities in them. And the thing is the fucking parents of both girls of Clarin Barbara didn't know about each other because it was six years apart. So they didn't even know that that had happened on the beach like there was no connection, which is kind of sad. I think they could have bonded somehow, our been there for each other, whatever. So in that they didn't find out until two thousand and eight when the San Diego police cold case unit posted the cases on its website saying that they were connected and the families are like what the fuck probably. So. That's at a Tory allies, it she doesn't know what the family said. I bet you one distant cousin. Yeah. Someone did. Yep. So police don't even though they posted in two thousand trying to get answers. Police don't find any don't get any information on breaks until four years later in two twenty twelve when police use new DNA fancy thing. It's probably already dated. And they get a hit on the DNA taken from Claire Hoff who was the second. So a blood sample found on her clothing was a DNA match for sixty two year old man named Ronald Tatreau. He'd been forty years old at the time of Clair's murder and on parole in San Diego after having spent seven years in prison on violent first degree rape conviction in hot springs, Arkansas. The I mean, one of these maybe put one of these on the file there's not. So this does stuff like this. You might want to keep an eye out. In one thousand nine hundred eighty five year after Clair's murder. The student had been arrested in later convicted for attempted rate after trying to kidnap a sixteen year old girl in lamesa he fucking tried to subdue or with a son gun, but she fucking escaped. Yes. Did she did she escape like how it how you hit her with the the way before tried to subdue or with us? None gun, and she got she got away and fucking, you know. Please take a self defense class the second you get a chance another thing that just popped into my head. I'll tell you while you're all here. Go ahead and do that we need to do that. We actually need it to. Night. Stephen start teaching self defense class, and then we'll all show up to beat the shit out of you. Can you imagine? It turns out that Stephen can kill. Sense or his mustache. All right. What a straight razor out of Stevens. Most. In one thousand nine hundred. Okay that happened. So he gets locked backup. This dude. Ronald. But the DNA analysis of Clair's clothing that brought up this fucking psycho path. Also turned up a hit of a second, man. So traces of DNA from the sperm of a second. Man. That's that's what they hit the DNA on despite the fact that at the time no sperm had been found. And they said that she hadn't been raped remember. Then suddenly this. Okay. The second trying to build up, but I'm not great at it. When the second profile is logged into the police department system to see if they get a match they get hit to an employee of the police department. Yes, there's your seen. There's where we start. That's like the person DNA person. Let's like dude to just another day fighting crew hole. He's right by me on me. Just like immediately pouring sweat. Let me show you the trying to make a phone call. This is the fucking shit. There's some website. That's like who would play all these people in a movie, and he's the guy bet you can say 'cause I'm not remember his name. Who's always the scary guy and everything Michael, Shannon. Yes. Yeah. Why it's my website. It's not it's not Michael fuckin- Shanna. He's got a real. It's the Shannon jaw. Yeah. It's like is this guy coming at me? I know that's that's just the way it said shape and Hollywood's like there's no other guy that could play this role Rulli. It's great his he's incredible. So although that sex scene in the shape of water where he fucks his wife really fast as a petty. It's up setting forgot about it was I was like I already didn't like the fish. And now this like what do I get in this movie? Also, the romance between the girl and the fish so fast. There was no Bill. There was no sexual tension. These human because it's a fucking clear. Okay. And think about that. This is the podcast now, we're on the podcast. How did this get made? Click. You know, like he just runs his fin down her arm. All she's I'm just saying it's I wanna see the build. No. I am there with you. All right. Let's get back to the fuck and employees who is this employee is a man named Kevin Brown. He's a sixty seven year old and had been criminologist for the San Diego police department from two thousand eight and I'm no no from to note from nineteen eighty two. There was a two in their jail. Don't you worry from nineteen eighty two to two thousand and two twenty fucking years. He had been on what they called criminal criminalist row. He's a criminal list. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you for your hard work. Yes. Thank keep it up in less plea, the person behind the shoe do shit like this guy. So despite this Kevin Brown had an alibi. It's so it's twenty fourteen. So he's retired are ready and alibi for the murder in nineteen seventy eight. He was in college student living in Sacramento more than five hundred miles away. And they could never they were like we're gonna find it connection. Like, maybe these two are buddies are like drinking buddies or something and the investigators couldn't find a connection between the two criminologists. Right. So like, they think that either way they think that these dudes got together, and we're murdering women together. Really that it's going to be are you fucking kidding fucking kidding? Ow. Listen as we say, look it get so much. Worse gets. Okay. Here we go. It gets so much worse ready. Yeah. So okay. So they think that the two of them together, but they can't play together. He's fucking Sacramento learning. How to be a criminologist? I'm sure he doesn't have time to drive to San Diego to hang out with the criminal underworld. But so there as long held belief that Barbara Claire had been killed by the same person. They had to let go of that there because in nineteen seventy eight when Barbara was murdered the sky. The fucking scary is. Kevin brown. No, not Kevin Brown, the criminal Jerry Brown. The governor. No now, allegedly led sorry. Ronald Tatreau sham. So he had actually in one thousand nine hundred with Barbara was killed had been in prison. So he definitely clo- killed Claire based on DNA, and he definitely didn't kill Barbara. So they weren't even fucking related. Even though there were all these crazy things in common. And so, unfortunately at this point, okay? So Clair's case officially reopened. And they're going to try to see how these two men killed Claire together. Well, of course, Kevin Brown is like hi, I've never met clear, and they went down. He's about her. They try to check down Ronald Tatreau. He had fucking died in two thousand eleven in Tennessee, he addressed in a boating accident, but he had put like his wallet on his seat. He taken his glasses off. He had like like he prepared to go in the water. They think that he killed himself on purpose. The scary Eichel, Shannon. I'm just make sense. Yes. Now, tell me how am I not saying the words killed yourself on purpose is. Is the thing. I should not be laughing. Go drowned on purpose. Okay. Yes. Okay. I've theory theory, but I don't wanna I don't wanna well. Let me tell you this little last part. Okay. The day. He drown was the anniversary. Claire Hoff's death. Okay. Not a coincidence. Now. So okay. So there's about Kevin round. The accomplice. There's rumors that when heaven was criminologists working on criminal, Allah, just ro. As they say in the eighties. Like he was kind of a swing and dude he liked to go to strip clubs, and it was very eighties. Mustache time. They move like this right into the strip club. Hey, lady, check out this must stop. Yeah. So he's what we today would call problematic. Got it in the way, he spoke to his co workers in the eighties. They called cool. Yeah. Yeah. A swing in do. So it's shit like out. But it's like, okay. So okay. So people who think he did it will bring all that stuff out and be like heated this. He did that this is what he was like people who don't think he didn't like me don't think the stuff is relevant. We think of course that Kevin's case is one of cross contamination because he worked in the fucking. The criminal this row. Sure. Well, let's talk about that in the eighties. Of course. Everything was worse. The hair the eye shadow murder rate as well as the procedures to print to prevent DNA cross contamination. Oh, right. Those were non-existent. It was a mosquito net that they would put around some of desk. Essentially that would've been it would've been better. Really, according to the former supervising criminal criminalist Brown worked having in the same room where Claire hawks evidence have been analyzed way back when she was killed eighty four when he still worked there and the space the office was about the size of a two car garage. Evidence swabs were sometimes dried in the open air like fucking laundry. And they were always placed next to a sandwich. It was real wearing gloves was up to the examiner. Whether they wanted to do it or not why not pick your pick. We have we have a low budget on gloves. So sparingly waste these rubber gloves you guys and don't worry about switching gloves between cases when you're talking out. Oh kidding seriously. They didn't they didn't always wear gloves. And when they did they didn't change them often. Okay. So you're really upset about that. Yeah. Well, it's just disgusting. It is so so he worked near the criminalist did the DNA test or the testing on Clair's case. Okay. Here's the fun part at the time of claret, hops murder. It was normal for criminalists to use their own fluids, including some fluid and bring into the lab and use it as a control to make sure the chemicals detected correctly. Hey, Kevin you mind bringing swath of your deck. Could you do me a favor? I don't have a dick. So could you bring in like two? Dick swabs. And just a touch of your semen would be plenty. How about that? How 'bout it? But here in two thousand fourteen when his fucking DNA gets pinged investigators that can't be it. He hung out with this guy. Ronald and they murdered Claire together. Oh, this is making sense. It is absolutely. You tricked me. And I like it. Okay. Yeah. I felt Florida's hireling wing. Yeah. He's not standing behind you. And it is it's okay. Because he's not a murderer. He's just putting his fluids place. There's a different issue. But it's not as bad. Yeah. Okay. All the male criminalists than the labs. Did it? It was a regular thing to be like they needed. A what's the one? That's like this is the asshole. You know? Control. Why did you know that was this is the because it's obvious. I can't think of it. I already said it. Thank you. Buck. All right. This is enough. Okay. Enough already enough police gave a search pleased that but we don't care police got a search warrant for Kevin's house with his wife of twenty years. He ended up twenty years. They get a search warrant for the house. Her name's Rebecca, and they hold onto the okay, they didn't when they get the search warrant they didn't tell the person who gave them when that there was duplicate swab from Clair's case they had taken swab put it away. They take another spa control and put it in the lab and enrich one when they tested it. There was no semen on it. And there was no Kevin Brown on it. Probably. So that should have been the one that they use. They didn't tell the judge that they got their search warrant and. The hundreds of items are confiscated from the Browns home, including fourteen boxes and three trash bags full of family belongings like fucking grandparents wedding, photos, like all this crazy shit. Oh, just to see just to try to pin. This on him. Wow. And they didn't find anything substantial, and they're so convinced of his guilt because of the DNA evidence, though, still that they refused to return any of their possessions that had confiscated and started a campaign trying to pressure Kevin Brown into confessing. So let me show you his picture deer. There is. So that's the criminologists and his wife was like he no hold on. You bet you make that noise. But like if you put this up four minutes that fucking pig. Yeah. Look at him in the strip clubs. Yeah. And now, he seems like the most gentle soul I've ever seen in my life. Well, his wife nerdy nerd soon as they got married after that time he was like in his forties. And they got married. He was like the fucking stop doing all that shit. It was like fine in the eighties. He got married. She was Catholic. He converted for her. And as soon as that happened. He was like the best husband. So she says, I think she's not lying. I'm not calling her liar. So by the mid twenty fourteen the stress of the investigation, which was dragging on and on made kevon who had visited therapists in the past because of his career and seeing so many fucking gruesome things as we always wonder about he had depression, anxiety, and insomnia and by mid twenty fourteen he was anxious and depressed even worse, Barbara Rebecca said she had ever seen. So the police would call him and tell him that they knew that he killed Claire, and he might as well confess and like kind of hounded him and shit. Right. So on the morning of October twentieth. Twenty fourteen Rebecca comes home finds her husband's bible and watch on the table and had underlined psalm. That's right. Psalm psalm about the Jesus's silent about being well run accused. I don't think it was that good. No it was. It was. Because he is silent. Sometimes isn't he? It's because you're carrying. Right. You're carrying him down. The and he's so quiet of heavy just say one thing. Jeez. Let me know. You're there. Whatever your name was was real Israel pissed right now. Okay. Saw about being wrongfully accused, and then he left the house didn't come home that night and arranger at clear Maka state park. Did you do? It's actually spelled like it said nice, which I'm Lee. Thank you, San Diego. Truly. That's so much. So they had a vacation cabin there. And Kevin is found hanging from a tree horrible. Couldn't fuck it handle. What was happening everyone turning on him and being accused. Yeah. And three days after this. The police department went public and named him as one of the two suspects Clair's murder. They still wouldn't fucking let go that. He had something to do that DNA was telling them something. I mean, it's so basic an office, right? Well, being crazy. No, no. But I mean, I just think it's contextual of like, they didn't know that everything could be contaminated with like a hair's breath. So then when they found out then they found out and then not, but then it's hard for those. It's hard for men to back down. They don't like. They don't like I mean, look I relate then really don't like to have to go back and be like loops sorry. My bad everybody. There's no loop sees men if you get practicing ABC's everyone. For four society. It would help everybody and it really wasn't. Okay. So Rebecca Brown sues except not when you're interrupting women. Yeah. Nair Nair Nair. That's a second. Hi fi. Rebecca, the way we're like Brown suit is suing the fuck San Diego, these two detectives who were for misconduct and wrongful death. And it's this lost went to trial in two thousand seventeen it's still going on. She believes an overzealous investigator. Drove an innocent man to his death. And all she wants to do is clear her husband's name, and that she's still fighting in court over it. Wow. Yeah. And the sandy as for Barbara's case when they did that DNA check way back women got Clair's to hit smart nothing came up on Barbara's case, unfortunately, and it still remains open and solved. And there's an interview on a forty eight hours episode with this guy, Jim all the fucking cute surfer, dude. Who's like never fucking able to forgive himself. He said it was like the biggest lie. He's ever told was take care of. No. It's like watching this, man. It's so sad. Stay roeken. He suffers from survivor's guilt. And before he got married, a while back Barbara's father who blamed him when it first happened sent him a letter apologizing for that and told them he doesn't plame this guy, Jim for his daughter Barbara staff, and that is a fucking Torrey Pines beach murder. Thank you. It would be great. 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Well, we're gonna switch over to this one. Now, que get ready. I'm ready. This is and I don't know if this is actually what it's called this might be a super cheesy like. Women who murder type of title, some producer investigation discovery. It was like I have an idea, but this is called the rose pedal murder. Yeah. So on November six two thousand the year two thousand remember just after nine fifteen pm Twenty-four-year-old Kristin Rossum calls nine one one because her husband, Greg is not breathing. She's crying so hard. The operator finds it nearly impossible to give her instructions on how to perform CPR. When so they live. He was a student at the time at UC San Diego. The fighting just say it just saying muck Lux. Yes. The fighting muck locks. Damn it. I always sneaks up on me. I'm back in. What is it called? Damn it. Word. So they live near the UC San Diego campus. So when the campus police arrive on the scene when I was typing that up I was like, oh, no. That's who you want us. No offense. I'm sure there's I'm sure there the best police. However, the first badge you wanna see is not that's not say does not say I like to rest teens for drinking Budweiser in the parking lot. And the back of their Jack has go. Let's not gonna make you feel better. Now. But also the campus police arrive on the scene, they find Greg is laying on the couple's bed. And when they go to try to do signs of life checks and start CPR they pull the blanket back and his they're rose petals all over his chest. Then when they move him. They see that his wedding photo was underneath his head. And Kristen and then someone notices Chris diarrheas late open a nearby to a page where she had written that she had made a mistake marrying him with sounds like some which issue, right? Well. Steve Stevie nicks was playing in the background. Spinning in a circle. A letter from Kristen's co worker in secret lover was crumpled up on the floor. So I mean, if she if she killed him would've fucking hidden shit, right immediately. Right. Okay. Yeah. One. What think okay? So. When the paramedics arrive, she Kristen is sobbing over her husband's lifeless body, begging them to know why he'd taken his life. So the paramedics rush Greg to the hospital, but the brilliant young biochemist is pronounced dead on arrival. He's twenty six years old. I get it. I get a get whether it was the dire open on on on. All right. We'll see. We'll see true deductive. It was stage. Restaged? Well, let's splits go into that a little bit Kristin Rossum we'll talk about her a little bit. She grew up in Claremont. Both her both parents were college professors. Don't I want as? She was she was a child model. She was a ballerina. Really? Okay. Bowring coughs here. Welcome. We're so happy to see you. So they say it was very high pressure household. There is a lot of pressure for the children. There's three children family to perform and to succeed. And so she was a real perfectionist. But in one thousand nine hundred two which is sometimes what happens to children who are put under pressure and become perfectionist. She starts using meth. I found that. Are you talking about me? Yeah. Janet, really laid it on that pressure. Tattoo. Take tap dancing. Two years. Just let you quit. We did have a lot of extra. We had to have a thing. Like you have to do. But I realize now she just wanted to get out of the fucking house quiet time with mommy's wine Lees leave, mommy alone. Yeah. That's right. And you're out there. Like, hello. My baby. All my dreams are coming true. And look at me now. Work. Do you wanna deal? Click IVA tap dance. Quick tap dance for. Okay. No you. Classic stuff about teens. Did that was terrible football teams. Wow. You love embarrassing. Would I love is? That is that we actually really take advantage of your goodwill and do shit like that and make you clap for us, very spoiled. Okay. And I made her do that I fully admit. Okay. So she's a meth head like. Many people in and around the San Diego area. I'm sorry. So many stories I all I did last night was talk about a meth head. It was the it was the tank rampage that happened, and that guy was on so much meth that he could have started dealing meth out of his own head because he had so much method system. Please don't do math. Hell of a drug. It's. Okay. So I mean that negatively. Like, it's a hell of a drug. Up in the air to abuse. A of tap dancing men at. I bet met then tap dancing, actually, mix very nicely. I would I would think. Yeah. But you're right. Let's find out. Okay. So that's a nineteen Ninety-two. She gets clean two years later, and she enrolls at university of red Lynn's. The the the screaming band. No, the angry you doing. This part. Okay. Great. You know, what I'll come back to you in two minutes. We'll figure out what mascot you want for university of Redlands. We don't care what the real one is. Brad. Brag to polish and you're really smart. Relations. Oh, I know the fighting braggers, that's what it is. Here's the thing about the university of Redlands. I it's great for meth because she at right back on those drugs, and she dropped out Mary soon after then in the midst of a drug binge. This might be the most romantic story I've ever heard in the midst of like a serious drug bench. She's on the ministry bridge between Shula vista. And tijuana. This meet you, it's this is a drug addled Tijuana, meet cute like you've never heard, Sarah. She drops her jacket and here comes Greg to pick it up be like, did you drop your jacket little meth head that me help you. Little lady. It's love at first sight. They start talking right there there. He's with his brother and a friend. They're just pacing back and forth. Waiting for him to be done. They don't stop talking. Because that's the thing about math. Can't stop talking. Not that romantic. It's just yeah. It's just necessary. So they talked talk, and then he brings her back to his apartment that he shares with his brothers, and that friend, and she stays. So it really is love it. I I it for them. Like stays stays state. She lives at this apartment. Now. Now, the brother and the friends are like, dude, what are you doing? Like, you you picked up a meth head and broader and like now you're in love with her. And he's like fuck you guys as sometimes boys have to do their friends. Fuck you, I love her. And then he she gets clean will first of all she steals a bunch of shit from the apartment. All right. I see their point there. But then he helps her get clean, and she does get clean. Then he helps her Rian not Rian role in role at San Diego State. The fighting covering methods. Yes. Keep on fighting. Never stop biting. And then she ends up fucking getting straight as she graduates, summa cum laude, which I don't know what that means. She gets her degree in chemistry. Yes. Oh, yeah. You're right. You're right. That's very ironic. Apple areas. Yeah. It's sometimes your bad habits are just your passion. Waiting to be born. Does she she was trying to get at TI? Why chemistry major degree? It's like don't do. It that way do at a nice organized way at San Diego State. She calls. Greg her angel after five years of living together. I soon the other guys moved out. They got married in one thousand nine hundred nine soon after she starts her dream job. As a junior toxicologist at the medical examiner's. Here in sun, DR, go. Let's take that's been nana's. That's them. Ours met and cheese. Clean and everything was great. Then that's their wedding day. She looks wailed or than him. I mean, I don't mean that in a. Aby. Or maybe he just looks fourteen. I don't know he's young looking. But then I don't know if you've ever seen, and please look it up if you're interested the Oregonian newspaper once did it called faces of meth, oh just showed its showed mugshots of people who are dicta to meth as as they went through the years, and it is one of the most upsetting fucked up things if you think somebody might be at risk or might be on dogs just show them this article, it is it's like watching a person turn eighty one years old in five months. It's so awful. I've I've I've checked that out. Oh, my God it stayed up all night going like expand. Oh, and then one. She's so pretty no her teeth. Interface. Now, what's southerner face? It sucks. It's rough shit. Okay. Here's the m I. Sunday reed. So when the that's your background. So I'm back in the we're back the night of. So when the UC San Diego campus police look at the scene, they decide that it is. In fact, a suicide they're good with everything they're looking at. Then they zip their jackets up and walk out. Greg Villars family is adamant there. He would not commit suicide there. Just like absolutely not. This is bullshit. You need to open an investigation. This is crazy police are very slow to do that. They're just like, no, it's obvious. His heart was broke any was jilted, whatever until they send Greg's blood out to screen for toxins when they get the test back. They see that something is off. They don't know. It's not meth. They don't know what it is. He had over the counter medicines in his system. But then there was other toxins that they their system. They're testing system could not identify. So that's when this whole case gets turned over to the San Diego PD who are immediately like he didn't fucking kill. So like here. Your wife is a chemist. And they're shooting your blood that we don't like what I mean. What I mean? Yeah. So San Diego homicide, captain Ron Newman said at the time, quote, the dead giveaway that she did it was that we've never seen a male suicide victims spread flowers around his bed before killing south. Are you serious? Dead giveaway. So if she had just not made it look like American Beauty Shuna got away with that. Who saving that for later? Oh, sorry. No, no, no, one of the reveals like, so they of course, go to the death, San San Diego PD goes to interview her in interrogate her really. And she basically says he was very depressed drinking a lot before he he died, and he was very upset about what happened. He had just given me a dozen long stem roses for my birthday. And I think that was just his way of making a statement that he knew our relationship was over. Then they learn that the day of Greg's death Kristen had called the biotech company where Greg worked and told us employers. He wouldn't be coming in that day. Then they learned that she's relapsed and she's on methods. Then they learn that a month after Greg's death. That the medical examiner's office fires Kristin Rossum and her boss, Dr Michael Robertson, because they're having an affair at the medical examiner's office inside the medical examiner's office right up against those beakers girl. It was right up against right up against the employee. Dick swelled. Well, yes, they're both implicated in many many murders fluids abound. So. So the cops are like what's this? You say you're firing those two let's look into it. Of course, they the medical examiner's office learns that she's relapsed. She's having an affair. And then they see drugs are missing from from the office where she works meth cabinet. Yeah. They go through. The meth cabinet. I said I said the med cabin. And then I assume that was like police talk that I didn't know and size like just smiled through it. That's my keep smiling at her Ned cabinet. Yes. Me to one hundred one hundred percent. Then. She casually mentioned that her favorite movie is American Beauty. What's that? And then the detectives are like we got. She. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you got shut your mouth shut it. It's hard to do on meth. Again, we just keep if you leave with any message tonight. So the detectives now they request new toxicology reports that are not from the medical examiner's off would love that love to get. We we like to go outside the city for these. And so they end up sending blood samples to Los Angeles, Nevada and Utah and when the tests comeback. Mormons in the house. Mormons in the front. Z again, I tricked you into clapping from you have to do it. So here's the thing. Kristen as a junior medical medical or junior, toxicologist at the medical examiner's office knows what they do and do not test for when. Right do blood talk screen. Yeah. So when the tests come back, it shows that Greg had seven times the lease lethal dose of fennel in his solo man for those of you who don't know Pennells a powerful painkiller prescribed terminal cancer patients, or others, excruciating pain. And it's so rarely prescribed that the Los Angeles lab is one of the only labs that tests for it when years thousand yes has now everyone does it. Yeah. I've got some Fenton aids. If anybody feels like partying shit. Yeah. Okay. So on June twenty fifth two thousand one seven months after Greg dealers death. Rossum arrested. I only put her flash name. And then I'm like a now, I don't know her first name Kristin Rossum is arrested and charged with murder. She pleads not guilty her parents, pay her one point two five million dollar bail. Are you fucking kidding? It's only a percent. You don't have to pay the full. It's a percentage you get that money back. Now, I've always wondered I've never been arrested. Thanks, anna. China. She'll be there for you. Get right fun to talk to some like, a bail bondsman or someone who knows the ins and outs of all that. Next time. They pick her up from jail. So we go to the trial at the trial. So the the prosecutors basically lay out what they think happened so months after her marriage months after her marriage. Kristen begins a passionate affair with her new boss internationally known biochemist, Dr Michael Robertson. Staying oh, come on. He's straight back in Grey's anatomy. Yeah. That's the guy that like you see him in lunchroom, and he seems haunted. And then you like, I guess maybe he's a poet also a chemist. A chemist is that it's fucking head shot. Hey. That's catching him outside international biochemist. Hey, man. I mean, but he also just likes to hang out and watch TV. What's she could not? Okay. She had to she had to know. Stop it. So she started up with sorry. Stop staring at him. You lost them completely. She starts us a fair with him. Greg finds a letter that he wrote to Kristen that Dr Michael Robertson wrote to Kristen that's when he finds out the affairs happening. He tells Greg tells Kristen you have to quit that job or I'm going to go there and tell the medical examiner's office, not only that you're having an affair with your boss. But that you're on math because I know you're on meth again. And that's they believe that. That's when she decided I gotta kill this guy. And that's when she starts taking fennel home in her pockets, and she'd already been stealing amphetamines from work. It was really easy to transition over to fucking the boss. He got that key with a cabinet. Yeah. Up against the cap. It makes the drugs feel better. Okay. So she knew the reason she still sentinel is because she knew they didn't test for it. So she knew she would be free and clear. The damning blow came at the trial. When police presented the evidence of her Vons card purchasing history. No, yes. I remember way back then when I heard that those can be subpoenaed ever, and I've just been in on that. Yes. Yes. How hilarious? It's what did she buys? She bought soup. Okay. Guilty. It was I believe it was soup bread and a single red rose. Oh, what a fucking idiot. She got her five percent discount yet. Ooh, I'm gonna get some coupons back on this. And I'm a card can I use my phone number. This is why you always use your expert ex-boyfriend card. Yes. That's right. Yeah. So then that's locked in November of two thousand two Kristin Rossum is found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of. Oh, Jennifer Aniston. Do but she has Brad Pitt's haircut. She's fucking a river runs through it. And she is sad about that decision. Prison is fun. We will say this for Dr Robertson, although he was definitely implicated and the prosecution tried to theorize that he had something to do was involved with the murder helped planet helped her get the drugs, whatever doctor denies any involvement in the murder. He was quoted as saying, quote, I had absolutely no knowledge or participation in the very sad events that led up to Greg's death and in the end with Christians conviction. It's like a sad end of two lives. My only regret is that. I had an extra marital affair I had an extra marital relationship. But that was my only crime if that is a crime is it. But I just love just like that's my crime. It's not crime. So actually fine. I'm actually I feel like though, this chick seems like the kind of person if he had been involved immediately turned on him and been like heated, and you know, what I mean, very true, right? Good point. You know, you mean like meth type. Here's interesting after the trial in two thousand six grave Villers. Greg diverse family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Christian Rossum and San Diego County. So what happened is? I think they started hearing rumors that she might be writing her story that somebody might buy the rights to her story. Jennifer aniston. Yeah. Jennifer Aniston's production company could make it for the family. So the family turns in this lawsuit. They ask for fifty million dollars in punitive damages because the they figured out that there's a possibility that she could make sixty million dollars from selling the rights to her story. So they're basically are just like we just wanna make sure she doesn't make money off of our son and brother's death when the jury came back, they they awarded the dealers family one hundred million dollars in punitive damages. They were like, not only are you. Right. Let's lock this down with a hundred million. Here's a fun number, and that's in two thousand money, that's two thousand money. This is sixteen trillion dollars in today's money. Eventually just just, you know, eventually a judge came in and reduce those unit of damages, but they still got ten million dollars for that. And there is a book called poisoned love written by women named Caitlin Roth. If you want to know all the gory details, and there are so so many then read a poison love, and that is the story of the rose pedal murder. Great. I would that was the perfect like when we look for a murder to do at live. That's the one not this one. No. That was great. This was another one of those four o'clock. I kept throwing them out and throw it and going like you guys have so many Huber bombers like. Don't fuck around. There's not a lot of like, well, this guy went over and wrote his bike in brought an axe. It's nothing the tank story is a little bit like that other than that. It is dark fuck and shit mess around goes WinCo. We have time for Juliet's. Tell me. You think something's on there? Several everybody. Turn spins. Rupert. I get a new Vence card every time. I go to the. It's never provide any personal information. You don't have to Mary smart deals. You get out. I'm going to be right over there. Okay. Thank you. Thanks so much. If you like wrestling, please listen to the podcast, we watch wrestling, which right Ventas podcast. Hometown. Listen, there's rules and regulations parents going to tell you I think the I will say tonight is we want it to be short. We don't. It's really really the. I mean, it can be good. But truly this is a thing where it's like we're waiting for the bus to come. You're gonna tell us something really quick. And then the bus comes on. We all go. That's the feeling we want. If you're one of those people to really stretch it out and kind of go away. A lot. We don't want you up here. What we would love is a sandiego true crime story that affected you as child or at some point in your life. And we want you to not be super shift faced when you, and I think other that you've heard these rules so many times Disney anthing, I'm missing. No. But you're picking tonight. Okay. I get sad. And it scares me. The people. I'm sorry. But the people in the way back it just never happens. It's such a pain. So if you could bring the house, let's just a tiny bit talented mister lighting, man. Thank you so much. The problem with me picking is I don't have good vision. So I had to do it more. More based on vibes gray sweater one hand up. Yeah. No. It's you that's just turned around. Hold on. But hurry. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry, faster faster. Take you up. Hey, what's going on about? That value. Escalator going down turn the lights down or she'll get yard. Okay. I do that every two. It was just Bunder pants everybody. She just butner pants drank on a beer today. It's ashley. Ashley everybody. Senegal? Okay. Clermont, hood, high but neighborhood, Clermont Claremont. And this stories about a tweaker. My ex my ex boyfriend. So she's right anyway, dated this guy from when I was sixteen in nineteen and he was a piece of shit. Sure. Yeah. I remember one time we were supposed to get dinner. And I had already eaten dinner, and he was mad. So he kicked me out of its truck. Legit like like Genesee avenue. Anyone who knows? No, you have to walk up a huge, fuck and hill. Exactly. So anyway, I broke up with him and couple years later, my girlfriend went to a school where her sons at his mom and. His mom had said, well, he was obviously schizophrenic and bipolar which I fucking knew call the I got kicked out of a truck for eating. Yeah. So anyway, told him he had come after her with a bat tried to kill her his mom, his mom, his own mother and wanted my friend to come to me and talked me give me an apology because I told I told the parents get him into some fucking hell. Yeah. Seventeen years old and I'm Mike. Hey, guess what could somehow? Like, he's by polar? They didn't get them help, obviously. And he started doing a lot of math. Math in Clermont. And so the meth turned into him becoming a street person like technical term is fine. And he met a bomb. I don't really I'm sorry. No. I already. Another very nice street purse, right transient, there, you go. Hardy button, my pants on state. So it's all good. It's all good anyway met the transient gotten out of the transient beat them to and killed them here in San Diego only. Yeah. So I heard about that from another friend because everybody in Clermont keeps very close knit and has sex with each other. But that's. It's the damn truth. My fiancee knows my ex boyfriend, and my other friend and like three other friends. But anyhow. We're keeping this short. Anyway, he is now in prison for the rest of his life. The craziest part about it is he has a mental illness. He is schizophrenic bipolar. There's a lot of issues with him. And they had given him a deal. They said if you just own up to it. If you take these tests, you can be diagnosed you can be put into a psychiatric ward. And he says fuck you on. Yeah. So he's in prison, and he will be imprisoned for the rest of his life because of his. Own up to your mental illnesses. Oh here. Take a plan. Well, earned well done to veg an have that when she got kicked out of the truck. We gotta go Claremont. Sounds fun. To bananas. So I always make Vince tell me how many seats are in every theater because I like to text my dad, and because my dad loves to know exactly how many seats are in the theater that we're playing that night. And so we'll versus tonight. Hey, texted and said. How did he say it like, Ron burgundy's, stay classy, San Diego? So he's he texted me because he's obsessed with Ron burgundy. Heats texted me. Stay sexy. Sandiego to me before the show started. I know he's in. He's hip all of this is to say that. We sold out and almost three thousand seat theater. Two nights in a row. 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He, of course, is our baseball insider that Jeff I'm not sure if you had heard this story, but I saw a very prominent writer put on social media story earlier today that the Padres didn't even have one hundred percent certainty that they had Manny Machado until they saw your tweet. I have no which Padres exactly that covers the owners. That's what I was told. Yeah. I think I think the important people and not to denigrate anybody's importance. But I think that let's put it this way. I think the decision makers new that they had Manny Machado, and perhaps saying not spread the news at that point. But I was glad to be the bearer of good news for them the level of surprise when you had heard it's official. I know I can tweet this out. He's going to the San Diego Padres was what? When I hit tweet. I said oh my God. What have I done? In a good way. Because I think the wall was expecting that either. When I heard it for the first time in the first person told me, I said really, and and I hit heard of over the last couple of weeks at the Padres for making a really big footy for Manny Machado, but in the back of my head. I I said China's Miami guy San Diego six hour flight or so from Miami is really going to want to be that soaraway is going to want to be a west coast guy. And in the end what it came down to was guaranteed money. And I understand exactly why came down to that. Because his good as your dog away SOX offer was it was offer. It wasn't three hundred million guaranteed from the start of three agency as exactly what manage outta wanted. Where do you think the Yankees dropped off officially in this scenario? I mean, I know they had that meeting with them. Maybe it was that Ben meeting where they got a vibe look with you. You know, this is just not our guy were good. We've got an do hard DVD's coming back. We're going to check some boxes here. We're not going anywhere near three hundred million dollars. Or do you think that there was still the rumor that the Yankees might be involved that helped drive this this price up eventually where where did the Yankees factor into this whole process and were they ever even close to actually being his landing spot. Because all you ever heard was ultimately in his heart of hearts, he wanted to be a Yankee millions of San Diego. Yeah. I think a lot of that was speculation. Honestly, look the anchors were open minded about it. The Yankees thought that if Manny Machado's marketing absolutely collapses, and he's looking for a soft landing spot on shorter term deal. They might be perfect you that because he fits really well into their window right now. You know, they've got gregorious and even though to Lewinski looks really good. So far that being said once known that the Padres were up in the high to hundreds and once the White Sox went to fifty tankers weren't ever going to be a serious player in there. They were looking for value meal. There was not a value deal there to be had this is going to be a straight up market deal. And when that was the case the Yankee said, I hope you have a wonderful time in lovely San Diego. And and then try to understand that. Because honestly like being a Yankee is great in many respects chief of them. Our chief among member out of being that the Yankees are jammed right now. But the on that you're not gonna take a discount to go to the team makes more money than anybody else. Like that's counter intuitive, the Yankees the the team that's bringing in six hundred plus million dollars a year in revenue suddenly wanting to go bargain shopping. I get that on the flip side though. You can see why the Yankees would could've value on Manny Machado because I mean, he would be certainly one of their better. Maybe not even their best player. He's a franchise changing player for San Diego. But I mean, I have to think for the keys there is some element to play here of Ahmed. Judge Sanchez at some point DD guys like this. We're going to have to start paying them. We've got Giancarlo Stanton. We're still, you know, we I mean, how could they not still be regretting the the contract that they signed for the center fielder that they has been. A witness protection program the past couple of years. So that that also must have played I would think into their thinking as well it does. But let's not understate how much money the New York Yankees actor like that that is a really important factor in all of this. And I I'm not saying that the top end of the market not buying up superstar players is bad for baseball. I actually think it's great for baseball. That teams like the San Diego Padres, which have one of the smallest media markets in the country can go out and spend one hundred forty four million dollars on air cost. But one year to the next you getting Manny Machado for three hundred million that you said, I don't know that other teams out there or is willing to replicate that as maybe they should be. And I hope that fans hold those ownerships accountable because if the Padres can do this Bob anybody can do this. And that's the moral of the story here. That's why. Major league baseball sitting back with a smile on its face as the players association says well, you know, I if feels like there's a a messed up free agent market. Yeah. For for mid level players there is but when the top end of the market the Chicago White Sox and the San Diego Padres or the two finalists that does show that teams can go out and spend if they're willing to it's a matter of that willingness, though, one of our baseball insiders topless Jeff passan here on ESPN bobble shoes and sitting in for Stephen a Smith on ESPN radio the PIN app channel eighty on. Siriusxm ESPN news. Lot of ways to listen interact with the show. We'll get to the telephones. I'm not sure Jeff you heard what I had to say in our number one. So unvarnished, I will ask you this question and get your take as someone who covers the sport at the highest level. What do you think it says about Manny Machado that he is now going to play for the San Diego Padres for the highest price tag? I think it says that he assigned a value to himself and that he as somebody who is proud of the work that he's put in who is stubborn by nature and who believes that he is worth a particular amount was sticking hard and fast by that. Despite all the rumors despite all the conjecture the markets. Collapsing. The players are being greedy. They're not going to get what they want. They play a kids game. No, Manny Machado has a gift. There's no question about that. But he also works really hard. He's worked hard to become one of the best their basement in baseball. It's become one of the best hitters in baseball. And the idea that he was going to sell himself short is is I think it goes to the core of who he is. He doesn't sell himself short and for all those lapses in. And look the lapses are back. Whether it's the the spiking of society, Lauren not running out a fly ball or the ball off the wall and the world. Series. I mean, there were number of them October in spite of all those I think Manny Machado saw himself a particular way in wanted to partner up with the team that saw him the exact same way. And that seems to say the patriots am I wrong to say as a baseball fan that I would like a guy that's worth this kind of money to assign a little bit more of his priority system to winning and that I don't know how many other teams ultimately he had lowered his price tag a little bit would have gotten into the mix. But rather than being a guy that wants to be in the spotlight play meaningful games play on Sunday night baseball compete for championships that he is a very strong chance that he's going to spend the better part of the first ten years of his baseball career if not longer playing sixty games for the dodgers and playing in one fall classic and the other nine point eight years of his first decade in baseball. Are going to be spent in witness protection playing completely irrelevant games for teams that nobody really. And now I mean he has now pulled a Robbie canal. He is going to go. Eighty eighty five percent of America is going to be in bed when he's playing in front of thirty thousand people in San Diego playing meaningless baseball for probably one of the lowest Q rating organizations, not just in baseball. But in the world of pro sports, and he goes there just because they gave him more money than anyone else. Am I wrong to say, maybe I would want my superstar to care a little bit more about winning? Here's the fault. I think in your premise, and it's that the San Diego Padres are going to continue to be the mediocre organization. They've been over the last decade or so and frankly over the majority of their history, I understand that prospects are are not sexy. They're not big named right? Don't know. A lot about them. They're going against competition. That's gonna be weeded out. Never make the major leagues. But time after time Bob when you are on top of the prospect list, and you have the best farm system in baseball. You almost inevitably end up being really good. I can go year after year recently and show you examples of that the Atlanta Braves were at the top last year, they went out and one of division, and they haven't even emptied out their farm system yet Kansas City Royals were on top when hosmer miss stockists. And you know, Danny Duffy and others were coming up. They went back to back World Series won the World Series. Houston Astros have been near the top. The Chicago Cubs were at the top. I can go on and on and the San Diego Padres are not just there right now. But are there with the type of volume and depth that we haven't seen in an organization in a really long time. They have high so kids they have a lot of kids. They have kids who are close. They have kids who are falling. So this. Like, they're all going to come in one way. This is going to be sustained. And if the sustenance is strong as people inside that organization and outside believe it's going to be the Padres are not going to be relevant. They're going to be challenging the dodgers year in your out from the National League West crown tip passing or senior baseball insider here with me on ESPN radio baba, shoes and infra Stephen a I guess, I probably should have prefaced my conjecture, my I dunno criticism of that feary with the Padres with you on giving you just a little insight into me. I'm a Mets fan. So just understand my perspective. My cynicism when somebody says, you know, we've got the best farm system. I mean, look look at the talent that we're going to put in the major leagues of the next five years to surround Manny Machado. I've heard it before. And. Excuse my cynicism based at least on there. It is a it is a very New York perspective. And and I'm not saying this like insulting Lido all I live in the midwest. I I grew up in Cleveland, I lived in Kansas City. Now, it's a very New York thing to equate wanting to play in a big city with wanting to win. I don't think it's a character. And I don't think Manny Machado was hiding or anything like that. But I don't think it's a character flaw either. If you know that your likeliest to achieve your best in a particular situation, there are some guys out there who do cringe under the lights, but who can play and play it extremely high levels in places where where the pressure's not quite as good. You'd like life's a lot better. When you don't have the New York media horde surrounding you. I think that every athlete will say that that the pressure that that brings makes their job that much more difficult, but then in October. When you've been through it. Maybe you are better at tuned to it. And maybe you are likely to thrive in that situation. I think it can go both ways. But I just I hope trouble looking at a player who chooses and in my opinion, by the way has evolved. I I used to be very similar to in Troy toilets. He signed his deal with Iraqis. I I wrote a column that said, hey, man, like, what are you doing? You're you're resigning yourself to mediocrity and relevance. And I regret writing that. Honestly, because my opinion has changed as I've gotten older I've seen the way that the human mind works and the way that people know themselves a lot better than I'm going to ever know, what makes them tick what makes them achieve what allows them to be who they are. And I just trust in those people's decision making a lot more than I do being entiere quarterback. Yeah. I bet and you know, just I am very proud to admit and say to you. I like your wits ski. Point to this day. I have not evolved one bit. So I'm still in the where that's concerned, I'm big City, New York. He didn't wanna win. He wanted to go to the witness protection program, and he got three hundred million dollars to do it. So Sinar Manny Machado will care about you again, maybe in three years when some of these prospects start to show up. We'll see if they do let me let me say one more thing, and this is a really important point to make. If you sign for less than go to a bigger city. You know, they can trade you. And that's the thing you get your money when you can get your money. And if it doesn't work out there, you'll get dealt. Wait. That's just the way that it goes if the Padres don't win they're not gonna want Manny Machado on that payroll. They're gonna look to cut payroll, and that's when you go to the big city and get his chance out with Robinson canal. He'll be the notion Carlos thin. I mean, they'll pick up some money and he'll end up playing maybe for the Yankees. Anyway. Who know, hey, yes, we'll let you go. I mean, there's there's time after time where we see that these deals. Especially if they don't work out precisely like the club wanted is going to get rid of the guy, and he'll end up in that big market where they can take on that deal. Jeff passan with us here on ESPN radio. We'll quick because a couple of more minutes to go Bryce Harper. So when is he a Philly or when does that final domino fall? And maybe he shocks the world ends up someplace where we weren't expecting. I, you know, part of me hopes that happens just because the story would be amazing. And I'm always here for the story. But I think the Phillies are the favorite at this point that make the most sense, they have the money to go out and do so they've shown the most interest at least that we'd see publicly so far, you know, the giants are lurking around the nationals. I'm never gonna say Odeh them the White Sox. They were willing to go to fifty plus on Machado with three twenty if he had hit certain levels to up his plate appearances and high get options for the ninth and tenth seasons. Some the idea that the White Sox are outright. Now. I I'm not gonna say any of those teams are out until the dry. Why on the contract? But right now if I may betting man, it's the Phillies in in. It's more a matter at this point of just how much risk are they willing to to take to try and squeeze Harper. If they feel like they're the only team that's offering right ten plus years and three hundred plus million dollars, or even if they're even there at this point, do they say, we're not going penny above because we don't believe you have more. Go ahead and call our bluff or Harper and Machado on an island by themselves. Or the fact that those two seem to be finally Machado was signed. Maybe Harper is imminent does that finally start? Some dominoes falling with the Marlins Gonzalez is and the chemicals and the Kimble's Adam Jones, but they asked some other guys that are still out there that are tier below. But it's still going to make some big money. I would think eventually when somebody signs them. It should. I mean, that's you know, all of the talk of what's happened with the mocking. Now that to me the big question is Blue's never at the top. You know, when everyone was saying the top of the market was collapsing. I'm like, I still think they're gonna make three hundred million dollars. I just I believe in star level players and those are star level players. The guy's a couple of though the the middle. You know, the upper middle class types, the the kaikal kimbrough's the Gonzales, I do wonder about them. And I do wonder if they're going to continue getting squeezed the way that they have been because that's what's happened with baseball this off season. Do you know what the second before Machado sign yesterday? The biggest contract was Patrick Corbin at one hundred forty million dollars. You know, what the second biggest one was was Nathan you've all the at sixty eight million. Well, yeah. And those those eighty to a hundred million dollar deals, I I just I don't know if those exist anymore. It feels like you're either. Really really good and really really well compensated, or you're just a couple of tears down below that. Will if Harper gets the three hundred we expect him to also get because Machado got it. And let's say more when Gonzales and kaikal and Kimball eventually signed for something reasonable is it the amount of time that has gone by still enough to have the union up in arms about how this is all gone down or will the money eventually being there? Get the union to back off a little bit on being angry. So hopefully, this doesn't become a domino effect towards a work stoppage. Eventually because I mean, at least ownership ultimately can turn around and say, hey, these guys are getting paid it took a Y or it to happen. But they're getting paid. It's funny because if they do get paid and a lot of guys, you know, if you look at the number of major league caliber players who've gotten minor league like Tyler clipper today signed a minor league deal Tyler clippers that big lake reliever. And there have been quite. A few of those deals this off season. And I think that bothers the players association, I think players in when the past would have gotten two years for ten million dollars getting one year for two and a half million cry is the type of thing that bothers players. But I think the the ones who should be really more angry honestly about how long this is taken should be major league baseball because the NFL and the NBA I understand their cat system. So it's different. But they the frenzy surrounding they're signing periods. At the beginning of free agency really is something to behold, like it's it's a fun few days. Baseball doesn't have that. And I think baseball's missing on a real opportunity with that. And on making the off season a lot more interesting instead of just waiting. There's nothing worse than waiting and we've been waiting Bob for three and a half months. Yes. I was aided suggest the Hassans of the world are like on your. Kevin cell starting thanksgiving, and you still don't have anti and it's Valentine's Day. I just want. I just want to vacation, right? Exactly. That's all give me like huffily days where nothing's gonna happen. Let me take my wife somewhere. Nice get away from the kids like just allow that where I don't have to be married to my cellphone. Instead. Now, you're screwing my wife was ever if she ever serves me divorce papers, the reason is going to be because you cheated on me with your cellphone. It's terrible on that uncomfortable note. Jeff appreciate the time. Thank about good. Yeah. It'd be fun. Be talked. I could talk to you all afternoon that is Jeff passan. Our senior MLB insider here on ESPN bobble shoes and sitting in for Stephen A. 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Squeeze in as many calls as we possibly can triple eight seven to nine three seven seven six triple eight say ESPN baba Susan infra Stephen on ESPN radio. You're listening to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance, making it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. Plus if you need seats to a game, download the vivid seats app and enter promo code champs, a checkout and you'll get ten percent off your first order don't buy just any seat get vivid seep baba shoes infra Stephen as snow falling outside here at the seaport in New York. So what better time to talk baseball? There's just something about when you first start seeing those guys throw baseballs back and forth with palm trees swaying in the background. That makes it seem like for us who live up here in the northeast or the upper midwest that at some point it's not going to be thirty degrees out. So those of you that live where palm trees are all the time. And we're Manny Machado is gonna now play baseball. Maybe get some of our bitterness that that's where it comes from its go to ally, New Jersey joins us next on ESPN radio on the Stephen a Smith show ally. How are you today? Good good. So on say, I may Machado signing. He said before that this. A win for small market teams. It's definitely as Machado. He saw the small market team. You saw the money there. He saw potential there. He knew he could be the face in San Diego me. And each from New Jersey I'm Yankee fan. So I was in this point he didn't go. So I see where he's coming from. It's the money. It's the ten years, and he sees a potential, and I don't think that you can blame him for this decision. No. I all said all along is an if it's all about the money. It's all about the money. It wouldn't be all about the money for me. Go to Daniel in South Carolina joins us next on the Stephen a Smith show, ESPN radio Daniel. Hey, bob. How are you, sir? I was gonna say I think Machado decision is is really more laziness than it is about the money. And here's why say that he could have went to Chicago. And with the escalators made more money. He could have went to the Yankees and one when he goes to save the because the money's guaranteed. It's a it's a great market to to be like, you said palm trees all year long. And if they don't win it won't be his fault because they haven't worn in years if they do win. Maybe everyone will say well they won because of him. So he's really a no lucid away. It was the path of least resistance and all of that to me has nothing to do with wanting to be a winner. No, that's and that's fine. But that's his priority system that but I don't I don't wanna hear him. Now talk about I want to win it. If you wanted to win a championship. You're not going to San Diego, you're going there because they offered you three hundred million dollars. And nobody else would guarantee you that amount of money, and that's it. And so now, you will be in complete obscurity as far as most sports fans are concerned playing when eighty percent of the country has gone to bed, and you know, it's funny, and this has part to do with geography part to do with the q rating of his team part to do with the sport itself. But. Think of the stars of baseball. Think of the stars of sports and this plays into now. What I think the impact is going to be on Manny Machado going to San Diego. I don't think in my lifetime. There has been a better athlete that is less known in any sport than my trout. Right. He plays for a team that never wins. Anything? He plays at ten thirty eastern time. He's never on national television. I mean might trout at some point. I'm wondering when it eventually gets to the point where he's gonna get his swipe at it is he just gonna take the money, or is there a chance that he may prioritize playing in the spotlight in October baseball a little bit more. I'll be fascinated to see what he eventually does. Because Mike trout could walk down Fifth Avenue tomorrow. Nobody would know who he is. And if you think of the Mike trout of any other sport, all other sports, I think more people would recognize Sidney Crosby or a veteran than would recognize Mike trout in you know, the average city in America. And many Machado son enough for that he is sunning for complete anonymity being in San Diego. But he got three hundred million dollars. So God bless him. John of the Bronx joins us next on ESPN radio. Good, john. How are you going? I'm all right. Thank you. I have a question for you. What what Manny Machado supposed to say? They ask them if he's there to win or not. Because if he's honest about it he's gonna get killed for it. And if he lies he's going to get killed also. So I feel like this decision is definitely about money. He came from a background where he didn't have means. I read it in an article that he at times, it didn't know where that can be. We're gonna come from. So it definitely has to take the money and secure his family for generations to come was wasn't sandiego. The only team offering him a contract mean, let's just let's just play this back. Look, let's let's you know, rewind this. Let's say two months ago, he says to his agent. He can say anything he wants to his agent. The agents job is to execute. What the client wants them to do agent works for the client, not the other way around client on work for the agent. So he says to his agent at thanksgiving. I wanna be Yankee make it happen. He being Hanky that's on the agent and then make it happen. So I don't know how much money would have gotten. But I think it would have been enough to feed his family. He went to the and you're right. He I mean, he's certainly well within his rights to maximize earning potential and get the most money that he can possibly get just as long as we understand that. That's what this was. He is signing up to not win. At least not anytime soon. Matt in Philly joins us next on ESPN radio baba, shoes and infra Stephen and that Bobby how are you? Good. I gotta say, you know, right now, a rich guy list for the firm, I work, but one day I want to do what you do is the dream play by. For the jets from in. It's fun. But yeah, you tell me, but I call it a to really here I want. I know what baseball primarily here. But I wanna hear quickly about your jets take. And if Mike the canyon can get the job done. I mean, you had darnold betrayed for three bestowed with 'em. He Tomorrowland spelled to him. But other than that I could say he has failed as a GM is he going to be able to take this team to the next level in the off season. Well. You know to to not give him any credit for Sam darnold falling to him. I mean, he did trade second round draft choices to get up to the number three spot to get one of those quarterbacks. You know to me if you're a gentleman's jer in this day and age in a very heavy deep talented quarterback draft like last year's draft was and you can move up to get the quarterback you want and not give up any future. First round picks to do it. You deserve an immense amount of credit as a general manager for that. So I give him credit for that. I think he deserves credit for that the entire jet off season. I think for the most part is now going to be analyzed at least by most fans on whether or not one of those two Steelers ends up coming or are they gonna pony up money for lady on Bill now that the Steelers haven't tagged them or they're going to make a trade for Antonio Brown. I think it's much more likely that they would pursue bell. Just because they have the second most cap space. Ace and ultimately might have the most cap space available once they get rid of everybody that they're going to move on from when pro free agency starts. So that's just money. I think it's less likely that I mean, I think the deal would have to be so jets friendly to trade for an Tonio Brown that I don't think it's going to get there. I don't think that someone's going to be able to get in Tonio Brown for a fifth or sixth round pick where they're just going to give them away. I think there will be a little bit of a bidding war that if on the Steelers I want there to be a bidding war, you certainly you signed him. You still have him under contract. So you deserve to be compensated for a player of that ability moving on you're not gonna get anywhere near what he's worth because you have now broadcast to the whole world after meeting with them that you are putting them on the trading block. You're gonna move them. So everybody knows he's gonna get traded. So that obviously take some of your leverage away. But I would think it's more likely that they go after Levy on Bill, and I think it'll be very interesting. Whether it's the jets or any other team in football to see what lady on Bill Gates because if you're on bell you sat out last year and bypassed fourteen million dollars. And turned down a seventy million dollar contract, which means to make sense of what you did last year. You have to sign a contract. That's like a minimum of ninety million dollars or else. Would you do last year? Now who off of a complete year of inactivity is going to sign up to give lady on bell ninety million dollars. Because the only way that what you did last year doesn't look foolish. Is if you get what the Steelers were offering plus another fourteen million dollars or so so now you're in the mid eighties and millions of dollars or else. The math just doesn't work. You left fourteen million out there that could have been yours you sat out a year to then get what unless it's just ego and bitterness that makes you shortsighted. But to me if lady on bell doesn't get at least what Todd Gurley got if more than what did he sit out for last year? And I don't know. I don't I don't know if the jets or maybe a handful of other teams that will be in the market for an impact player at that position. Or going to be willing to pony up that kind of money for a running back because what we see over and over and over again every year is running backs can be found. They can be had later in the draft. They can be had later in free agency. They can be had for cheaper. It's not a position with long term durability. Once that tread starts to come off the tire running back, sometimes go off a cliff. So is someone gonna pony up over eighty five million to ninety million dollars Flavian Bill for him to be able to make sense of what he did last year. My guess is. No, my guess is ultimately he is going to sign for less than he would have gotten had he played last year and then gone to the market this year with fourteen million extra in his pocket. I think ultimately he's going to regret the decision that he made last year. 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I mean, there are other guys on the list, you know, like Klay Thompson. And I mean, they're they're certainly other guys to pursue. If they don't get at least one of those two guys than this was a failure. You make the Kristaps Porzingis trade to set up what ultimately becomes a pass fail judgement on whether or not you execute. You get either Durant or Kyrie Irving, and I think really Durant. I mean to me that that's almost a Mendoza lot. You either get the rancher you don't if you get them you past if you don't you failed? But that's the only reason you trade porzingas, and I don't care about what they think that junior is going to be I don't care about the lottery pick. Although if they end up winning the lottery and getting Zion that's going to be a different level starpower than we've seen at the garden in a long long time. But all of that aside, the motivation for what they did with porzingas is to me cut and dry black and white pass fail. You're creating to max slots to go out and get two of those guys and one of them almost has to be Kevin Durant, or or you failed in trying to do what you've done about trading porzingas. I completely agree with you. I couldn't believe it. And and part of me hates that. That's what the NBA is become the NBA that I grew up watching would never in a million years thought about what a bird and magic played together. How great would that be the league back then was based on blood rivalries between the top teams the league? Now, it's about let me just go play. With my buddy. I mean drafting and developing players and kind of formulating a roster like all that is now out the window NBA, general managers are no college recruiters. They're trying to get celebrities to record scoreboard videos, and bringing guys to steakhouses and shown them all the blink in their training facility and just recruiting free agents that hoping you get one guy who's going to convince one of his buddies to come play with them because now they're all buddies. And you know, all all of those must see rivalry games that I feel like I grew up on a child of the eighties and nineties that's gone and. I miss it terribly. Because I have to tell you watching the NBA all star game. It didn't look a whole lot different to me than rockets thunder on a Wednesday night. The NBA all star game. Now probably most closely resembles its regular season action than any all-star came in any sport. Right. When you turn on the NBA all star game. We'll you see I watched like part of the first quarter, and I couldn't take it anymore. It's just a bunch of guys dunking a bunch of guys shooting threes. Nobody really playing any defense crazy scoring and you know. 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