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NPR News: 08-04-2020 2AM ET

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NPR News: 08-04-2020 2AM ET

"Live from NPR news I'm Shay Stevens hurricane is es is finding the Carolinas after making landfall overnight their ocean Isle Beach in southern North Carolina. It had become a tropical storm but regained strength shortly before coming ashore as NPR. Serra. McCamman reports areas on the bid Atlantic to New England are now bracing for what Isa is will bring over the next couple of days as ECS moves along the coast of the southeastern United States forecasts have been shifting between tropical storm and a hurricane but either way North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper says it's dangerous the status or category of a storm can be misleading. Whether it's labeled a tropical storm or a hurricane, you should take this storm seriously. And make sure your family is ready. Cooper says the storm will bring rainfall of up to seven inches to parts of North Carolina officials in South Carolina and parts of Virginia also are warning residents to be prepared for heavy winds and rain Sarah. McCamman NPR News Virginia Beach The nation's top infectious disease expert is morning against reopening schools in Corona vars hot. And a video conference with doctors and Medical Students, Dr Anthony Fauci says that goes for businesses as well as we try to open the country for. Reasons that quite ballot. What happens that we saw a surge ince's that brought it right up. So we gotta get our arms around that and get that contained as we into the wall. And felt, she says, the nation is running out of time to prevent new corona virus infections. The trump administration has threatened to withhold federal funding school districts that do not resume in person instruction this fall. President. Trump is ordering that department of Health and Human Services Agriculture and the FCC to create a system to support telehealth services for people who live in rural communities. Administration officials say that trump is signaling his support for permanently extending that option to all Medicare recipients. At the twenty, six, thousand Acre wildfire burning in southern California's Riverside and San. Bernardino counties is now at least seven percent contained as Benjamin per per from. Our reports, the so-called Apple blaze spreading into the San Bernardino National Forest fire began Friday and has forced thousands to evacuate Lisa Cox fire information officer with the US Forest Service says the blaze is burning in the sand Gregorio wilderness pretty thick vegetation chaparral, which is very flammable meditation type and some timber. It's been a couple of hundred years since burnt around two thousand firefighters are battling a blaze being driven by high temperatures and the humidity cal fire investigators determined the fire was caused by vehicle malfunction. Specifically, a diesel fueled vehicle emitting burning carbon from the exhaust system for NPR news I'm Benjamin perper in San Bernardino this is NPR. A US House panel has invited Postmaster General Louis Joy to appear at a hearing next month on his decision to eliminate overtime and keep mail distribution centers until the next day if carriers are running late, the oversight panel plans to hold a hearing on September seventeenth measures to provide billions to keep the postal service afloat or stalled in Congress. One of the nation's most celebrated pianist has died the on Fleisher was ninety two years old. NPR's Tom Heinsohn the reports that Fleischer's career spanned more than seven decades, Leon. Fleisher was a child prodigy. He gave his first recital at age eight debuted at Carnegie Hall With The New York Philharmonic at sixteen and released a string of acclaimed albums beginning when he was in his twenties. Over at age thirty six when he suddenly lost control over his right hand Fleischer. Considered suicide. The only way out of that folk was to realize that music was certainly more than two handed piano. Leon Fleisher reinvented himself as a left handed player, a teacher and the conductor. Eventually after treatment he resumed playing with both hands. He was awarded a Kennedy Center honor in two thousand, seven Tom. Heinsohn get NPR, news three men have been rescued from tiny uninhabited island in Micronesia. The men have been missing in the Pacific for nearly three days when US coastguard and Australian searchers spotted their giant SOS signal scrawled in the sand Monday. All three are said to be in good condition. I'm Shay. Stevens. This is NPR news. Support for NPR.

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Gender Reveal Event Sparks California Wildfire That Burns Through More Than 7,000 Acres

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Gender Reveal Event Sparks California Wildfire That Burns Through More Than 7,000 Acres

"This podcast is brought to you by consumer reports standing for truth fairness, and what's right for consumers consumer reports has been on your side since nineteen thirty, six with information you can trust own home, auto food, health, tech money, and more learn more at CR dot org slash consumer. Gender reveal event sparks California wildfire that Burns through more than seven thousand acres by Sonia Mansour. Agenda reveal event sparked a wildfire in San Bernardino County California that burned through more than seven thousand acres as of Monday. Morning officials said evacuation orders are in place in nearby residential areas. The Eldorado fire which has grown rapidly was caused by a smoke generating pyrotechnic device used during a gender reveal and began just before ten thirty am Saturday the California Department of Forestry and fire protection or cal fire said in a Statement issued on Sunday, the fire started in the Eldorado ranch park and Yucaipa, and has since expanded northwards to Yucaipa Ridge according to the statement. As of Monday morning, the fire has spread across seven, thousand, three, hundred, eighty, six acres, and his seven percent contained a spokesperson with cal fire tells time no injuries have currently been reported more than five hundred personnel and four helicopters have been battling the blaze since it first began. An evacuation order is in place for residents, of Glen, Yucaipa Ridge Mountain Home Village and forest falls for the Eldorado fire. An evacuation warning is in place for the Yucaipa Bench area by Monday, afternoon, the evacuation order map expanded to include Riverside County. Cal. Fire. said in its statement that with the dry conditions and critical fire weather, it doesn't take much start a wildfire those responsible for starting fires due to negligence or illegal activity can be held financially and criminally responsible the statement said. Cal Fire Captain Bennett Malloy told the Desert Sun that no arrests have been made so far although a district attorney could file charges depending on the extent of property damage and injuries caused by the fire. Malloy added that the family behind the gender reveal has absolutely been cooperating with officials and clarified that the event was not a party but a group of immediate family members gathering for a Selfie as the device exploded. Malloy told the Associated Press that a couple had chosen the park for the gender reveal accompanied by their young children and another person taking video on a cell phone. The device ultimately lead to a fire and the forefoot grass. He said San Bernardino National Forest said Sunday. Night that the weather will remain dry and hot throughout the night with an elevated temperature and relative humidity at twenty percent resulting an active fire behavior throughout the night the cal fire spokesperson says, Damage Assessment Teams are still evaluating the extent of property damage. Due to the number of fires across California and the West firefighting resources are in short supply official incident report stated this isn't the first time. A gender reveal party has started a wildfire in two thousand, seventeen, a US border patrol agent and era. Zona fired a rifle and an explosive target that led to blue smoke to indicate that the child would be a boy and also sparked a wildfire that tore through more. Than forty, five, thousand acres causing more than eight million dollars in damage Dennis. dickey pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor violation of US Forest, service rules, and agreed to pay close to eight point two, million dollars in restitution in one gender reveal a life was lost an Iowa woman died last October after being struck by debris from a homemade pipe bomb that was part of a gender reveal party the New York Times reported.

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Ep. #2: Paul Miller - Joshua Tree National Park

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51:38 min | 2 years ago

Ep. #2: Paul Miller - Joshua Tree National Park

"My brother Paul went missing here on July thirteenth as search is currently underway for a missing hiker out in Joshua tree. Authorities say fifty one year old Canadian citizen Paul Miller heartache while the search for the wealth hiker missing in California has been scaled back family and friends of fifty one year old Paul Miller. Our brain fifty one year old Paul Miller went off on a hike alone. He called his wife Friday morning from the forty nine palms trail head. And that's the last time anyone's heard from him. Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join us as we dive into the deep end of the unexplainable in trae apiece. Together. What happened you are listening to locations unknown? All right. Welcome to episode. Two of the locations unknown podcast. I'm your host Mike Vanda bogert sitting alongside of me is our co host Joe Arado. How are you doing today? I'm doing good. We have a very interesting case for you today a little different than what we did. In our first episode in that this case is very recent. The case was about a Canadian by the name of Paul Miller who disappeared in jazz, a tree national park this July. The search is still ongoing. We were also lucky enough to sit down with the public information officer of Joshua tree national park, and we're going to be playing that interview a little bit later in the show. We'll call it. We'll cut in and out to it for parts that. Yeah, we it runs long. We play it straight. So we don't want to bore you. But George has a very unique insight in the park. He worked there for he's worked there for eight years and involved in every aspect of the search, and it's great hearing from someone who was on the ground there. So we'll get to that in a bit. I hear though Joe is going to go over a bit of the profile the park. Yep. So following the normal format there were doing we'll give you a location profile cut in at some point. We'll have George tell you more information on the part because he's there all the time. Time and then we'll get into the character profile time line. And then the theories so as Mike mentioned when we opened the show it's Joshua tree national park. It's in California. It's in San Bernardino county and Riverside County. So it straddles both those areas because the very large park. It was originally declared a national monument in nineteen thirty six Joshua tree was redesignated as national park nine hundred ninety four when US congress passed a California desert Protection Act. So it's just recently become a national park. If you're gonna go camping there there's nine established campgrounds to have water and flush toilets that can be reserved. So that's more your car camping. And then we talked about that. That's typically not are seen. We're more bad country. But when it comes at desert that might be nice. The other campgrounds are first-come-first-serve back country, camping is permitted with a few regulations. So it's like any typical park you can do some bad country. You have to let them know where you're going. That's usually for search and rescue purposes. So they do charge for this permits, but they're. Expensive. But they want to know where you're at. And when you're going to check back in. Yeah. It's every every place we've ever hiked. We always have to go to the permit office. And it's primarily so yeah, they can keep a catalogue of people coming in and out of the park for this very reason. Absolutely. So if you're going to be hiking there are several several established trails within the park, many can be accessed from campground shorter trails such as one mile hike through hidden valley can see the beauty of the park without staying too far in the desert. So there's a lot of hiking available to people who are not as experienced. Although as George will tell you later in the interview, they do have some issues with people coming out, they're not dressing appropriately or not knowing what really to expect in a desert climate. Because even if you're only walking a mile if you're one hundred five degrees the day with dry heat. You don't have enough water that can make a big difference. You sometimes don't even know you're sweating. It will just vapid it right off. And the next thing. You know, you're dehydrated. Yeah. So it's yeah. Single bottle water typically doesn't cut it. That's when you go out with gallons just for yourself. The last trillion. Was the forty nine palm away says we won't get into that just yet. But that's one of the trails that he was on where they found his car. It's it's not too big of a trail. It's not too hard of a trail some of the terrain that exists there. Just lots of rock lots of desert the animals, they're snakes scorpions, spiders coyotes mountain lions, Georgia's going to talk about that in a little bit exposures, just significant heat and son. So what we're going to do? Now is we're gonna cut to introduce George Mike said he's a piano of Joshua tree national park. We're gonna cut to George have him talk a little bit more about the description the park and what it's like there, George. Thank you very much for coming on the show. And if you could please introduce yourself and give us a brief background. Was George land. I am the public information officer and community outreach ranger here. Just between national apart. Excellent. So I'm just going to ask you a couple questions about the park, and then specifically about the hazards, and we'll just go forward from there. I'm so roughly how many visitors are at your park each year that come through. Series upswing. When I got here about eight years ago, we were at one point three million a year and. This year. Eight years later were going to probably the three point two million marks. So we've we've double more than double in the last last eight years. Oh, wow. So there's been a serious uptaken visitors. And I'm guessing issues can come along with that as well. You obviously the more people that you have come into park. It lends itself to the possibilities of of, you know, more incidents, but you know, considering the fact that, you know, get up three point two million people in the park this past year. If you put those numbers out on the Santa Monica freeway or driving around in their automobiles, you know, we're we're really pretty safe up here. I mean, it's it's not a situation where you know. It's it's one incident or search and rescue after another. Okay. Can you tell us a little bit about the park? It's history some significant features because what we try and do is paint a picture of what the climate is like there. And what's unique about that park for people that haven't even seen pictures or ever been there before? Glad to adjust between national park is located in southern California. We're in the high desert for the most part, it's actually where two distinct desert ecosystems come together, we have the Colorado desert, which is extension of the Sonoran, the run SUV, Arizona, and Mexico and those areas, and we have the Mojave which is the higher elevations. And that's where the majority of the Joshua trees are and also a lot of the popular Mazda, granite rock formations that makes us kind of an international rock, climbing destination. We are almost eight hundred thousand square acres to put that into perspective that's over twelve thousand square miles or to make a little bit easier. We're little larger than the state of Rhode Island. It's a big park. You gotta manage. It's a fairly large park. Yeah. There are bigger parks. But given the fact that we're kind of. A natural island surrounded by sea humanity, you know, within oh three and a half hour drive of our inference stations. We probably have close to thirty million people that live around the area. So we also have a lot of the same challenges and pressures that a lot of those communities in southern California have as well with that large of a park. I mean, it's basically a state in and of itself how common is it for people to go missing there. And do you find most of them within a certain amount of time? Yeah. We we really do e it's not extremely common. We do have people that are lead on what we call eight on a rival. And sometimes when they get to be a certain point and the friends or family or. You know, people that are with them get concerned, they notify us generally, those people tend to show up within a few hours of of the report, we do, unfortunately have times when there are people that are out on the trail the disoriented. They get turned around off the trail or because we have so many rock formations up here. It's tough to keep people off the rocks and not that we want to. But you know, when you when you climb rocks there one wall that is very strictly enforced in just treat national park. And that's the law of gravity. And so, you know, sometimes people meet less than fortunate circumstances just by calling off a rock or or down into a crevice or that type of thing and. That's when we have to go out, and and take a look around, and and find them and bring them back to their family and loved ones, so falling hazards are obviously a big thing. And I I know just from Mike, and I are very experienced hikers, and we climb as well too. And whenever we go in parks that have become more popular. And even just in general people getting out in the wilderness is becoming more popular you've a lot of inexperienced people going out. Maybe doing things they shouldn't so outside of fall hazards. What are some of the other hazards that people would run into our expect to run into your park? Well, and that's a really good point. Joe, you know, we have one of our scenarios up here is, you know, CD kid comes out from LA is not used to the desert has flipflops on. And what's left of the thirst BUSTER and takes off on a seven mile hike on a day where it's one hundred hundred five degrees. So you know, that that usually does not end. Well, and so we do have issues with with that segment of of visitor. Just not prepared for the height, and there are places in because of the terrain here in Joshua tree national park, there are places where you can get turned around. I'm even experienced hikers occasionally, you know, get a little misdirected, and and you know. Maybe two three four hours late or have to end up spending the night in the park. Very seldom. Do we have major searches and rescues we probably had more last year than what I can remember in almost nine years that I've that I've been here and one of those you want to talk about unfortunately is a gentleman from Canada that when missing back in July, and unfortunately, we still have not been able to bring closure to that particular incident absolutes, very sad story, we're gonna talk more about calls profile later in the show. But from what it seemed like he was a very experienced hiker, and he was even in the park the day before. So just when when we looked at his case, it didn't seem like it was just like you said kind of a city slicker coming out for the first time really wanting to enjoy the outdoors. He seemed to know what he was doing in the last time. He was seeing was on the forty nine. Away says trail, can you give us a little bit of background about that trail in particular? Pretty straightforward trail. It goes in actually from outside the border the border of the park you walk in. And in other words, you don't have to go through an entrance station to to access the trail. It goes in. It goes in about a mile and a half to a natural oasis where there's spring out there. The Bighorn sheep come down to water there. There's a number of very much, you're Washingtonian poems. Don't trees indigenous to this this part of the country that are out there. And then when you're done you turn around and you walk back in the same three old Milo hat back out. So that is one of the things that is kind of in a mystery news how to to get turned around if he. Did. In fact, stay on the Creole ever made it to the trio. I mean there there's a lot of different series out there. Now, just because we have spent really been in that area. You know, are searching jobs are three national park. Search and rescue has been doing training exercises out there every since we call offer or reduced the search from Mr Miller in technically Joe in national park, the search for someone who is missing or lost never totally stops. Obviously, you know, it's not sustainable to keep a hundred troops out there, beating the bushes, and helicopters, and and canine teams, and that type of thing I mean, there comes a point where that has to see, but we we make that those areas. Part of our ongoing training scenarios for our search and rescue teams. And so we've been out there on a regular basis, George, and if you just hang on, we're going to go over polls description with Mike, and then we'll come back to you for some more information. Pull Miller obviously was from Canada a city called wealth and Antero Candida. He was fifty one years old. He had a wife and two kids. His wife. Stephanie is a kindergarten teacher in the Waterloo region and Paul was imperials manager Eddie water treatment and filtration company. Both our kids are in public high school. So the description of Paul he's your you've graduated public high school graduated public. Yeah. Their college age now their college age now politic pre typical male five foot five hundred sixty pounds. He had salt and pepper hair. So grain a bit the clothing he was last seen in. He was wearing dark shorts dark gray almost black high-tech altitude hiking boots. It's black hat and carrying sunglasses. He also did have a Camelback for hydration and a Nikon d fifty three hundred camera his personality medical issues, everything that we could find researching Paul happily married to his wife for twenty six years. No issues at home, no issues at work. So everything seems normal nothing jumps out as no like we've said the prior episode. We look for red flags to help really identify. What could have happened in these cases, and everything seems normal everything checks out so far and another another box that checks out is his experience in the backcountry. Paul and his wife liked to go on a lot of vacations and they like to mix and a lot of back country hiking those vacations so they've been they've been in Canada, North America, Mexico and everyone described him as a moderate to advance hiker. We kind of see him as someone like ourselves who've gone on a lot of back country hikes. And I'd say, we're not experts. Sense where this guy's live. We're not survive on exactly what we're going on trips. That's what we do on vacation. We go on these trips. We find new places, and we've been to all different climates from freezing to desert and know, generally what to do in each one. You anyone can get hurt in those? But we know what we're doing this seems like that type of guy. Yeah. He seems like a kind of guy that if something did happen to him. He would keep calm level head and figure out a way out of it. I think he'd would to do in in a dire situation where other people might panic and their panic can inevitably lead to making bad decisions said me and Mike don't know him. Personally. We've never talked to him. We haven't talked to his family, unfortunately, but just based on the history, and what they've said, you don't do that many hiking backcountry trips kayaking, whatever in not learn a thing or two about what to do. Exactly. It's this is a big red flag for any case where you see someone going going missing if they're experienced that that just makes. It a lot more puzzling. But in fact, about it in the interview to say often issue at the city slickers coming out from LA that are wearing flip flops, and they have just like a water bottle like let's go hike in the desert, and they have to go get him or because they don't they don't know what they're getting themselves into so this this isn't seem like what Paul was like. Yeah. High desert hiking, if you're not prepared can can be deadly. We've all been on hikes personally, where we've experienced issues with lack of water and exposure to sun, and yeah, the part where it's you don't think it's dire yet. But you're starting to go by the time you needs water now by the time, you actually feel dehydrated. It's almost too late at that point. Yeah. You you're you go any further into dehydration. You're gonna start getting delirious, and you're not gonna be making clear decisions. But so that's a basic profile of Paul. You're you're pretty typical middle aged man had a good family life, two grown kids, experienced hiker. And she oh now is going to start. Going into the timeline of what actually happened. What led to his disappearance? Yes. We've some good. We've seen good times and dates here that we're gonna go over on like last episode. We're going to start off why he was out there on his wife Stephanie were on vacation in California, Nevada, including Las Vegas. They're celebrating their twenty six anniversary. So again, you're not going to go on a great wedding anniversary trip with your wife, if you're not happy marriage. So I mean, that's where you know, he from everyone. The interviews. I've watched and you guys can find these on YouTube. There's a ton of interviews and reports of the family, he seemed like a great guy in everyone seemed to like, and you know, they have their friends doing it. They have a gofundme page for him. People are coming out that you to help search exactly we're going to go over that. I mean, so people don't help or want to get that involved for someone that wasn't a good guy. So they're out here for their wedding anniversary. And it was not uncommon for them to do the backwoods camping hiking kayak, and that's what they would do together. So that's again playing news experience. So July twelfth two thousand eighteen both Paul and his wife were hiking. In the park and came back to their hotel room at the twenty nine palms. So not only is he an avid hiker. He spent time the day before in that environment. So even if you're gonna make a mistake somewhere or realizing impact appropriately that's gonna be your first day out. So he he was out the day before and it was July thirteenth at a he essentially went missing. So this is the first date July thirteenth, they're prepping to leave the hotel room in Paul wanted to do one more short hike try and get a photo of the big horn sheep. That's why head that camera with them. So he really wanted to get a good photo of the sheep. So he at nine AM left, the hotel room and drove his car to the forty nine poems away trail head at eleven AM. Stephanie said she started to become concerned that he didn't return but decided to wait another hour so poems wastes trail head is roughly amount and a half. After I go through the timeline. We'll cut back to the interview will have George talk a little bit about the trail head itself to give you the features. But it's not a difficult trail. It's very short. And it doesn't even. Loops you go up when when you come back the exact same way. So it's not a difficult one to really get up and down at eleven am Stephanie said she was concerned, but not really ringing the alarm bells just yet because you can be laid on arrival that that's that's a very common. Maybe he found a Bighorn sheep. And he was exactly so many times where I think I'm going to be back a certain time, and I'm probably two hours late, and you know, when you're walking and you're not sure about the terrain. There's there's a big window there. But at noon when Paul still in return, she contacted the park service because she was she was worried reported missing park service jumped right into action. They had a team together in thirty minutes. So they team ready together. And they started the search. They found Paul's rental car at the trail head so he hadn't left the car is there. So he went to the trail head in the park superintendent, David Smith said there was one witness who saw Paul in the morning at the trail head. So there was somebody who saw someone else or they talked to a witness that saw someone who met the descr. Of Paul at the trail head. So I think we can reasonably believe that he went to that trail head. So it's not one of those instances of he left at nine his car's not anywhere. Did he even make it to the trail went and saw him at the beginning of the trail had walking in? Yeah. And it's a popular trail too. So yeah, there's a lot of people that would notice things like that. So his car was there somebody saw him there. So we can reasonably say that he began the hike that he planned. They went through do the search didn't find Paul that day. And they started the search effort. So they have search teams going so they're doing that for days. Not find anything we're gonna jump forward to September. Now, we're we're going to get into so employing some of the technology to do a much wider breadth of area of the park. Yeah. So September rolls around park officials actually closed the trail for a few days because they bought brought in some new technology, which George will explain when we talked to him, but this technology, basically, it's a helicopter with high res- photography equipment on the bottom of it. And it takes really quick pictures. It basically is looking for anything out of the ordinary in the in the wildlife, and then it takes those pictures, they put it into a program in that analyzes that. So the chaff this shot it down. So that there wouldn't be people there throw off the imaging. So they want us desert, and they're going to search for anomalies that aren't desert a so this. Happened on Tuesday the eighteenth of September. And then by the next day on Wednesday. There is still no word of any new discoveries for the search Miller. So the trail was then reopened on the twentieth. The park officials mentioned that it will take some time to get those pictures, analyzed talking with George he'll go into more detail, but they they spared no expense. No manpower in looking for Paul. They brought out every everything that they have to their availability was in that park looking for him. Yeah. Absolutely. We're talking hundreds of people canine units. Helicopters over six thousand man hours were put into looking for Paul lot of the problems. They were running into probably been the same problems, Paul experience potentially a lot of the searchers were experiencing a lot of heat exhaustion. So they a lot of them would try to wake up at four AM go out and search and by nine AM maybe back at camp, you know, exhausted. Because it's one hundred five degrees. The low humidity even prepared search and rescue people are succumbing to exposure out there. So that was a major obstacle that hindered. Some of the search and rescue efforts at one side notes that we noticed in one of the articles are reading was there is a lot of frustration with the family of the the rental car company charging Paul while he was missing. And we recently just read that the rental car company, which we won't name. They issued an apology and recent all the chargers seem more like it was like a paperwork thing because it's writing hundreds of cars a day. And then everyone is not getting returned. Yeah. Everyone in these cases, the family is going through enough with trying to find their missing missing loved one. And then you've got things like, yeah. No one was worried about getting a rental car back. Yeah. That's nor should they. That's the last thing on their mind. He's exactly I gotta get this car back by noon. So that is kind of what happened in September. And like I said George is going to go. Into further detail on the search and rescue efforts. Yeah, we had a company come in. Actually, a Canadian company that. Take rapid fire photographs from helicopter, and then comes back and the computer analyzes those for anything that any any color, Grady, aging, or whatever that. That looks different than than what's an actual terrain. And look, and we had them come in and fly over and additional things like that that we've done to try to bring closure to this though have not been able to to find. Any trace of Mr. Bella. I've seen some search and rescues underway. And you guys are extremely thorough. And from what I read you have the dogs out. You have this incredible new technology where it's skin, and I'm assuming you can correct me if I'm wrong does it scan the landscape and kind of take that. And then just look for anything that doesn't fit. Exactly what it does. Like, I said things that I necessarily wouldn't take on a fly over this actually goes in. And it makes all these almost looks like a tiny, mosaic when when you see what's produced by it. And then they feed that into the program that the company has developed, and it any anomalies that come out it kicks it out and says, okay, squadron, you know, given the GPS coordinates, and we found this was actual blue or something. And like I said he was without any positive results as well. It's incredible. The technology that they're using a obviously with the people on the ground and everything to it's just really unfortunate that there isn't closure for his family yet. So thank you very much for that update on pulse. Case are there any other unsolved missing persons cases in that park currently that you're still kind of ongoing looking for but have scaled back from. We had a gentleman about nine years ago from Georgia that it hiked in the park before that. His name was Mr. Wasco and. We found his vehicle with the car door open. Few supply type of things in it. But he has never been located as well. And so that remains. History and also an area as mentioned before Joe is of a place where in the general area of juniper flats where he's Geico was located and where he was fought to have taken off hiking. It continues to be. An area that we go back and forth over with our training exercises. And and search and rescue problems that we we present to our rescue team for search teams and the far still no still no indication of what happened to mR Wasco or there other animals besides like, how your small poisonous animals that could potentially get somebody or or do something like that. Or is it all smaller? No, we have obviously we have my lion in the park coyotes, which are not known to be a two. Komo alive human for the most part. However, they will they will feed on carrying so. So, you know, if if someone went out had a heart attack, or or some other issue fell and he their head, and whatever, you know, there are animals that. Like coyotes and vultures, and and some other animals that treat on carrying that, you know, would dispose of the soft to Hugh of a body. Okay. I just want to reiterate for the listeners my background is I'm a paramedic. So sometimes I'll come off and ask a lot of these questions that seem kind of morbid, but I'm looking at it from a factual basis, so not to be respectful of families or anything. So if anyone thinks that when they're listening to that, this is just fact based conversation. So in those cases, where you do have animals potentially feeding on someone that's passed you'll usually find clothing or bone are their animals that will then take the bone that will potentially take the clothing for any reason where there could be a potential with there really is no sign or evidence left behind that. There was a body even there. Clothing in this type of harsh environment clothing has a whippy of. Either being washed away many times domino Roleo or you know, because there's not. Grainy throughout the desert when when we get a flash flood it'll wash away everything. Okay. So that creates a problem with that bones? Are are you know, many times scattered? There's not that there's not that many animals that actually make a meal at of. The skeleton. Leftovers, but it's big they are scattered and moved around and that type of thing. So you know, that that is a challenge for for people trying to reconstruct. Some of these disappears in in certain areas. Yeah. Especially like, you said if it rains, then all the sudden in air, you might not have searched yet or went over that it could have been there. It gets moved and things like that. Six of one half does that other eight. Also there have been, you know, situation where we have found clues to different situations because something was washed down the wash from where regionally was okay. You know, it's one of those things where it's. It's a blessing and the curse sometimes. Sure. Okay. So that was information on basically, the technology. They're employing, and it was really cool to image. It has like almost like a mosaic. It's taking a ton of pictures. Putting it all together in in a large profile and the computers just analyzing for anything that stands out colors things that don't match landscape. So it's really really high def high. He's yeah. Anything? So it's really cool. And they haven't turned up anything as of yet. I know when they first took the images people are wondering what it sawn they said back to that time that it takes time, obviously for the computer analyze it. But still up to now they're not seeing any anomaly, so and they're doing a wide area. I mean when you're flying over in helicopter doing that you're covering area that you probably can't walk. Yeah. So as of as of now, the most recent thing we have updated on November six was a Tuesday. Dawn Robinson and her husband. David Robinson arrived from Canada late Tuesday in. Repeatedly hiked the forty nine palms ways trail company by Park, Rangers and volunteers and other search and rescue team members know dawn is Paul sister. So they're still obviously trying to finances for this. It's really it's really sad because they're getting no closure at all whenever you have any of these unexplained events, it's going to be kind of this open chapter that you can't finish in the story. So she said herself the fact that he's still hasn't been found is just baffling and it's true. And they're desperate Frances what she said. And we've really got the sense fruit with talking with George that these people that work at the park really care about finding this man to they they take it seriously. They take a person I feel bad that they've they've not been able to find anything. Yeah. I mean, if you can imagine for the men and women who do search and rescue like that's their job search rescue. So if they have an open case, they're not finding like that's going to hit you hard. I could imagine because it seems like a failure. So what they typically end up having to do in George mentioned the interview is that they got to scale down the. You can't put six hundred people every day all day long. All the time. You have to evidently scale back the the manhunt, but he said all they do is then whenever they're doing training operations. They pick their areas based on those areas where Paul could be exactly so they're doing their training missions or doing stuff in there. So they're able to mix training with still continually searching for so they don't ever close cases as he said, you know, they're leaving them open. And they're always always searching to hopefully, bring closure to the family. So really his sister went there hoping that by hiking the trail, she can look at things to brothers is. And really come with clues about what he could have done or what could happen. So she said they knew he was in a rush that morning has small window of opportunity key picked the trail based on that he could do a short hike and get back to hotel than a couple of hours. So he left with the idea in mind of really want to get a picture of a big horn sheep. But we're leaving today. Here's a quick trail. I can do in a couple of hours that I might be able to my snapshot. And then we can get we can get out of here and. And she even said to when she's going to trail her her statement was it's pretty obvious trail. If you stay on it, you'll get to the away system back without any problem. She said, it's quite hilly. If you get off the trail, it's hard to see where the trail is and it disappears quickly with that said the town can still be seen from the tops of the hills. So a hiker could get lost. But then as soon as you climb a hill, you can quickly orient yourself day or night. You're going to see lights you're going to see civilization off in the distance. Absolutely. Yep. So it's a huge park in regards to George even said, it's bigger than the state of Rhode Island. But the areas that people are occupying our small. Yeah. So highly trafficked exactly, so it'd be different. He's got like a forty two mile desert trail. And now you have the area the size of a quarter of a state to search for somebody. Yeah, it's a small area. And I'm assuming being experienced hiker if he would have been injured, you know, a lot of times if you're by yourself, one of the best things, you do is maybe you take shelter and kind of stain this place. That you got injured because that gives you the best chance of search and rescue finding you especially on a well traveled dwell traveled drilling Zion. People saw at the trail head why because they were going to the as well. So there's you it's unlike last case where it's small park not a lot of visitors. Yeah. This one you have a ton of visitors Georgieva mentioned they've doubled their numbers. They have millions of people come as Parker here. This is a high traffic park, and if you've ever been to national park with high traffic, it's almost annoying at some of the show Israel's you'll have it'll be crowded. There's when we went to glacier national park. Glacier. We back country we hiked. But then we did a couple of the more touristy trails, and there's some times when you're going along a narrow part you have to stop let people. Yeah. That happened. I was hiking out in the Tetons earlier this year and the section towards the end. It's a traffic jam of people. You're literally. Yeah. Waiting for people to go by? Yeah. So it's nothing happens. You have the thirty people. Porting it and stuff like that. So the fact that no one saw him outside of just catch him to the trail head, and that was it is a little crazy in a little obscure so official theories right now, Mike, I mean, what what are you hearing from law enforcement family? I mean, the the most logical, and what people are kind of hanging their hat on is that maybe he may have tried to climb up on some rocks. Or he went out there. Trying to find some Bighorn sheep. He maybe tried to climb up on some rocks in slipped and fell into an area that wouldn't be easily. He won't be easily found when he fell in there. But you know, Joe, and I were talking about all the different possibilities of what could happen to them. And nothing nothing really makes sense. So you would assume. Yeah, you have your animal theories. So you have the there's no big predators. Other poisonous snakes. Scorpions mountain lions coyotes about lions always sound. Bad, but they typically leave people alone. Yeah. In one thing, you'll know about if you've ever hiked national parks is. And we always joke about this. We hike is we never we never see wildlife because the animals are smart enough to not kind of steer clear of some of the higher traffic areas unless it's like Yosemite when they're feeding them. Yeah. But even then they're not attacking the exactly up for him for food, which we don't condone. But yeah. So while areas you typically don't see them unless you're sneaking around and trying to catch them. Yeah. And so the the most logical explanation of what happened the Paul a lot of people are saying is he was injured either climbing on some rocks or going over an obstacle. But then what happened if you perished out there? What happened to his body? They had canine units all over the park. They had these helicopters taking these high risks photos, if you fall, even if you fall into a crevice or some type of hole in the ground dogs are going to find you. Yeah. Yeah. The that's that's what's the craziest. We'll jump into our theories. Really? So we kind of talked about animals, I think exposures extremely relevant. Yeah. He disappeared around noon in the desert. You know, one hundred five hundred ten degrees is not uncommon dry heat. So I'd say exposure for sure. Yeah. With exposure, anybody that's hiked and desert. Climates? Dehydration. Does cause people to not think clearly I mean, there's a chance that he got dehydrated wandered off the trail maybe walked for several miles just out into the desert, somehow, you sort of delirious, haze. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's actually very good point. Because you hear about the people that think they see water things. Then desert granted he was going towards an oasis. But again, you have a situation where? Maybe you're just unaware of what's really going on. So he's normally a hiker, but you can kinda you can kinda get caught in those situations where you're not really sure. And then maybe it was just one of those times he was in the desert the day before. So he'd a lot of sun exposure the day before maybe he brought it on water, but wasn't really attuned to the symptoms that he was having traveling a lot. So if you get out and get delirious did he go off trail, and then think he was on the trail and just walking and walking and walking possibility. That's a possibility. But then again, you have helicopter you have six thousand hours of manpower six hundred searchers canine units. Yep. You have all this plus all of the other people in the park. Yeah. Out there. You know, one other possibility is in our first step sewed. We talked about one of the leading theories of pulse. Eight went missing was some type of criminal activity being that Paul Miller was on a trail that goes in one way and out one way if someone was trying to rob him for his Cam. Mourra or, you know, say he again came across something that he was supposed to see there's only one way in and out of there. Yeah. And it's a very heavily trafficked trail. People are going to see. You know, see him you see this happening. I mean, there'd be no way to get away with that. And then and then it's the whole idea of why would a criminal be out there. Yeah. And that's in that spot is Georgia in the mill is George stated the park is basically surrounded by humanity. So it's not like in our first episode of the park was near the Mexico border. This park is literally in the middle of humanity. Yeah. There's no reason if you're doing a big trafficking line he might have stumbled across. Yeah. That's not gonna happen in this park. Yeah. It's a short trail should only take a couple of hours, and there was water at the end of it. And and that's that's like a big thing. And he had a Camelback on his so he probably at least had two years of water on them, and he experienced hiker as soon as I get to water. They're going to fill that up again. I mean, the one thing George Mitchell interview to is what they can run into. Because as you heard. We asked about can an animal an animal be interested in human remains as far as bones go because he said, the coyotes mountain lions will leave you alone until you've passed and then they'll obviously turn the scavengers. Exactly. But I as you heard I asked him about just clothing him bone. I know typically animals aren't gonna eat Bom. But like, I don't know that area. You know, is there an animal that typically collects them for nesting or something like that? He said not really know what you have the issues with flash flooding because there is no drainage in a desert that they can have things completely wash away. So he said, it's kind of a blessing and a curse to blessing the sense where sometimes that occurs and things wash up, and they discover stuff or tonight they wash away and they. Russia way. So it wasn't a completely normal thing that happened. And then it was moved from search area. I dunno. And another thing we looked at two was he left his rental car there. So that rules out that he left the park on his own. He's driving himself out of there. Now is it possible that he came off the trail and got into a car with someone else? It's possible. But it's really dizzy park in there would have been whitland farfetched. Yeah. Because they pretty much interviewed everyone that was in that area after his wife reported a missing, and you would have you'd think that someone would have said, oh, yeah. I saw him walk out of the trail and getting somebody else's car. That would be something a couple people probably see Yan unlike less case those forty years ago. Yeah. This is now it's blasted all over the news. It's been in the desert sun news for several articles and news broadcasts pretty much across the southern New South, western you. United states. This story has been in and out of the news for the last couple of months. Yeah. So anybody who follows hiking or anything like that area? Yeah. I'd say it's pretty much. If you don't follow the hiking stuff. You're not going to hear about it in the news around us by Wisconsin. But if you live down there it a ton of stories about it because it's not a very common thing for someone to disappear. Yeah. Jordan, Georgia saying that this is a very uncommon thing to happen in his park. Yeah. Which surprised me like an eye? Even even asked him. I said, you know, with all those people are you having a lot of these issues that not really the only hiker that they've had still missing was nine years ago. You know, basically your before he started his position. So that that actually did surprise me. But that also weighs into how heavily traffic this park is and how short the trails and that weighs into how bizarre this case is. I mean missing people going Missy and Joshua tree. National park is very very rare. Yeah. And you want who gets destroyed hunter lost gets found within twenty four hours a day nine point nine nine percent, again not to be morbid. But they'll find the body if they did perish because something they find them. And it's very rare that it's completely without a trace so say, yeah, there's there's the possibility that always, you know, months from now someone can somebo cross a bone or whatever, and it can be identified. But it's it's it's pretty crazy. This case almost baffles me more than the pulse gay case. Because that one seemed to have he he came across something criminal activity going on. It's so close to the border, and they. Not to rehash a case. But it just got so weird at the end. Yeah. It's almost like a bunch of people knew something was happening. But no one was talking about it. But this one yes, this is a a regular guy who hikes ended up modern times. I guess is makes it seem more baffling because we have the technology. We have the manpower. We have the experience they it's heavily traveled. We have witnesses and there's nothing. Yeah. It's we have the most advanced technology available to search and rescue right now in the form of the helicopters with that imaging technology. I'm sure they're also using helicopters with flea on it for nighttime searches. It's it's baffling. I we we tried to think of every possibility that doesn't sound absolutely crazy to explain what happened to Paul. Yeah. We kept coming back to what we can't talk about aliens can't talk about aliens Bigfoot. Yeah. But it's sasquatch hit how. But it's it's a yeah. He went there disappeared. Then finally looking for months using the technology people out there looking for him. In modern society around heavily traffic area late twentieth. Eighteen you know, connected society. Everyone's got cell phones. Everyone's got. Yeah. GPS? Everyone's that was the one thing we didn't bring up. I forgot about that. He left a cellphone at the hotel. Oh, gets good point. So and they said it's spotty connection to the park. And I had that in the notes, and I forgot where I put it. But he didn't bring a cell phone. But again, I've done that too. If you're tripping or run out and grab something real quick. You know, I'm going to grab the bare essentials to make that thing happening go. So the key wanted that picture of being cheap. And I'm right there with them I go when he thought he's gonna be gone for an hour care so much extra equipment to get that shop like I bring drones out and stuff where I can because some parks allow it like I bring camera Costa, like a pack my bag for backcountry. And it'll be under like thirty pounds. And it's good because a lot of people be at fifty. But then I'll put in fifteen pounds of camera equipment because like I'm kind of right right right there with Paul like if I can get a cool shot of us hiking or some animal like I'm not trying to be a National Geographic. But it just really helps me relive that scene. So for him. He. He wanted to take back something memorable from his trip. And he really wanted that picture again, not the actions of somebody who's trying to disappear it is very disappointing that he didn't have his phone with them because even spotty connection you'd assume they'd be able to track his location PS. PS and they could ping the cell phone. I think they comparing paying it or they could least figure out oh an hour ago. He was in this these coordinates. It's it's everyone in these cases. There's always something where like pulp Fugate not having his radio or Paul Miller forgetting cell phone. It's kinda like man if if you had that anew if they just had it on him, we wouldn't be talking about it, and he'd be found. That's I mean, that's the sad. And that's the sad part. That's it's almost like a warning for people going on. It's like just bring yourself. Oh, man. Like just I mean, I have an iphone. So I bring it for the camp. I bring my for the camera. But like there is some truth in the sense that like just have it with you. Because why not and it's another. It's another tool for in case, something happens. You will you have service. Maybe maybe not in Colorado. We didn't have service, and I got to thirteen thousand feet on his mount on all of a sudden, I got service that called my wife. I'm almost made it to the Senate in the me on rainier. Like, I I get terrible reception at my house in Lahti, but I was on the side of mount rainier, and I was getting full bars Swain that one but. Before we wrap up. I do wanna cut to Georgia's final comments about how his team takes to search and rescue cases in the park say cloak thing. That. You know to a lot of people. This is a headline in a newspaper on a on. A TV telecast, you know, to us at the parks. We take these situations very very seriously because we know that it's not just a person out there. That's losses lives an extended group of people that care about this person that loves this person that when it leased. Like to have closed early. And we. I just want to ensure the public we take it very seriously as a part of our job, and we will continue to do our very best to try to bring closure to to these cases and to anything else. Arise in the park. Absolutely, george. Thank you very much for taking your time to come on the show and answer some of these questions. I always liked getting the information from people that are there every day. And no at best rather than me and Mike trying to convey what the park's like or what the conditions are like so thanks again for coming on the show. And I hope we can contact you in the future. For more interviews. I don't talking with you. Have a good holiday season. You too. So that was George and again, thank you very much for coming on the show and thanks to the park service. We're going to try and wrap things up. Now, Mike, why don't you take it away? Unfortunately, we can't really come to a conclusion what happened to Paul. We will really come to many conclusions on any of these episodes. Yeah. It is called locations unknown. Vocations were known. It would just be us reporting the news if anything develops in this case down the road. We definitely will revisit Paul Miller. Yeah. This is so fresh we will probably see updates. We even debated doing this episode because it was so new, but it was there was a lot of interesting facts out side, just a normal missing person. And if if you know anything about the case, obviously, call the National Park Service call Joshua tree state park. The family has several Facebook pages ongoing right now or they're trying to get any type of information on Paul. If you have anything that you might know go to go to their page. There is a go funny from what I read paula's the main income earner in the household. So they ever go fund me if you want to help the family, it does obviously none of it's good. But it's someone with kids if I had something like that happened to me their kids are grown up which totally helps. Yeah. So not it's still not a good thing. But there there so it's a little bit better. The family. But yeah, go to the go fund me if you can spare anything go to the gofundme me and contribute. It's a sad case. Maybe one day one of these cases. We'll we'll be able to report at the end that. Yeah. Somebody was actually found. Yeah. But if you like these episodes, check out our first episode on Paul Fugate, also you can visit us online at locations, unknown dot org at locations, unknown on Facebook and Instagram. And we'd like to think the Joshua tree national park ranger service and George for allowing us to do the interview on the air any feedback. You have in the episode. Let us know on Facebook. We add some good feedback on the first episode, and we interact with everyone who comments on. Yes. So if we made it worse. Let's no. Yeah. We can undo it and go back. We can go back to the way it was before. Yeah. So with that said, we're gonna have a good holiday if you don't hear from us again before Christmas, and we'll talk to you soon.

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EP. 38 Braken Fern Manor Lockdown with OC Ghosts & Legends | Interview & Ghost Investigation

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EP. 38 Braken Fern Manor Lockdown with OC Ghosts & Legends | Interview & Ghost Investigation

"Be Silent in that solitude which is not loneliness for them. The spirits of the dead who stood in life before the Argon in-depth around the in there will shall overshadow the be still Edgar Allan Poe in spirits of the dead. There's a dirt winding road and San Bernardino County that can take you back in time. It's it's a road that takes you back to the bracken firm manner and Tudor House Bracken for manner and Tudor House was built in nineteen twenty six and was originally known as the crib while the Tudor House formerly known as club Arrowhead of the Pines became a social hideaway for Hollywood's elite. The Manor is ten room ten bathroom house that was said to have been used as a brothel during the prohibition while the Tudor House was used to help illegal gambling liquor and other illegal pastimes infamous mobster Benjamin Bugsy Siegel was set to funded the construction and built the locations as a sanctuary of escape for Hollywood's bigwigs aches and mob members which also left the manner to host a few deaths and suicides on the property what secrets lie within the walls and the prohibition tunnels of the manner do the spirits of the mob mobs still linger around the property and who is the negative entity bed habits the jasmine room in is it true that there's a demon that lurks within the Prohibition Tunnels Grab Your Voice Recorder as We Join O._C.. Golsen legends for a memorable lockdown at the infamous Bradford manner sit down with us as we interview the rest of the Oh seacoast and legends crew. Let's talk about crystals protection grounding and Charles Manson's ghost with dixie tendered Dini who is the psychic and medium of O._C.. Ghosts in legends definitely don't WanNa miss it on the creepy E._D._p.'s one on one shots with the patrons that experience experience something other worldly at the Bracken fern manner. Let's get holly weird as we locked down with. Oh See Ghost and legends side note. The following interview was recorded on me eighteen two thousand nineteen during a lockdown event at the bracken fern manner that was thrown and hosted by O._C.. Goes and legends. Please pardon any background noises that you might here during the interviews that were being conducted now. Let's get Holly Weird Nestled in San Bernardino national forest surrounded by Pine Cedar and Dogwood an altitude a fifty one hundred feet is Lake Arrowhead California an area described as the Alps of southern California in eighteen twenty six around that time about forty Pie Indians a very warlike tribe used the mountains for their hunting grounds. They lived in the high desert area. Many were killed in a fight with the white men of Little Bear Valley of course at the same in time a more peaceful tribe of Indians. The Serrano's lived very near Little Bear Valley in an area now known as rottkamp on the north side of the mountain they would take their old and sick to arrowhead hot springs for rejuvenation and healing they hunted in the Beautiful Foreign Bountiful Valley and live relatively peaceful somewhat nomadic lives descend into the desert highlands and warmer inland valley's during the winter months beneath historic Arrowhead sits the equally unique arrowhead springs the arrowhead springs as a place is deeply rooted in legend with the most ancient one possibly being passed down from native Americans. The legend goes the great spirit had an aero which was to guide the native Americans to the spot where they were to make their home the great spirit having selected the place fixed the Arrow it to market forever. It is believed that the native inhabitants of the San Bernardino Mountains thought the Arrowhead directed the way to the hot springs with healing properties and therefore considered it holy ground now we fast forward to the Nineteen Twenties and prohibition we touch on this subject in episode thirty on famous haunted Hollywood bars. Police were cracking down on the mob in the city so the mob moved their operations to less discreet areas one famous mobster who was rumored to lead this move was the notorious mobster Benjamin Benjamin Bugsy Seagal rumor hands it that bugsy talked the Chicago mob into backing his new venture which is now known as Bracken fern manner this alpine-style in opened as club Arrowhead in the Pines on July Fourth Worth Nineteen Twenty six the in had state of the art amenities such as electricity more importantly it catered to the rich and famous offering gambling illegal liquor and working girls other amenities included an Olympic emphasized swimming pool skiing tennis courts a bath house and more the brothel continued operations through World War Two although gambling was maintained in the speakeasy across the street up until nineteen fifty five today bracken friend manner is a certified historic landmark in the state of California across from the Bracken. FERN manner is where the gambling took place at the club now known as the Tudor House. The story has that when cops were on their way up the mountain from San Bernardino the administrators were alerted and gambling tables were actually turned over to appear as regular tables bracken firm manner claims to be haunted by a former working girl named violet. She killed herself after the mob killed her lover. You can still smell her. Violet Senate perfume wafting through the halls. Another is the ghost of a little boy who's also been seen at this historic in he is thought to be the son of a former prostitute and was trampled on by a team of horses today eight his tiny footsteps are often seen in the snow will so it is told after the end became successful bugsy convinced the bosses in Chicago to front him the dough for another little gambling adventure known as Las Vegas however bugs these lavish tastes caused him to go way over his one million dollar budget and ultimately cost him his credibility with Chicago and his life while he was having dinner one evening with his lover Virginia Hill L. at their Hollywood home bugsy was shot dead. Thanks girl for the little historical tip it on Lake Arrowhead and the historical Bracken fern manner. We just kept it a little Disney for you right there so you won't have a you know just a nervous breakdown even though some of our listeners were anticipating that so guys just a little side note if you do make your way to bracket fern manner it is a pretty interesting drive hype but once you hit the mountains I could see why the mobsters Hollywood elite really wanted to you know venture to this part. It is truly a sequestered area within the mountains and the roads once you hit the mountains or pretty winding and very narrow narrow so <hes> tread lightly around that area but the views are definitely worth it I make my way to the manner and I'm greeted by Oh seacoast and legends and I of course made a b line to their <unk> psychic and medium Dixie her Dini and I grabbed her immediately for the first interview with Dixie. It was always a pleasure to talk with her. We talked about grounding protection crystals and her little trip to Zach Zac Pagans haunted museum where she actually was hired to do a cleansing of his museum and you're not GonNa believe the things and the t that she had to share with me in regards the museum we go over what she felt and what she picked up on the land of Lake Arrowhead and guys it was a very very interesting interview and it's always a pleasure to speak with medium Dixie Tanto Dini and here's our interview so guys <hes> we're trying to follow up on our last interview and Dixie had reminded me that electronics just do no work in her presence so I'm hoping that we fingers crossed yet. They work this time. This will work nothing thing will fall from the sky or from the ceiling like last time David's house. He'll be okay so dixie. Give us a full name what she do for O._C.. Ghosts and legends and just you know talk about yourself and what you plan on doing tonight during the lockdown here at the reconfirmed manner yes so my name is dixie Tanner Dini. I am a psychic medium spiritual healer. I've pretty much had abilities my entire life and I started working professionally a few years ago. Oh and then now I am working with the team and doing <hes> psychic mediums deaf with them investigations and then I'm also going to be doing a workshop on Spertzel protection in an hour and just kind of helping people learn how to protect themselves when they go into environments like this. That's really good because you see a lot of shows in youtube channels of these you know green goes hunters and they just go in with a camera and no knowledge of their surroundings or whatever or presence is lurking in the dark and that's very important. Do you usually do these workshops like outside of course legends or just mainly just within you know they're walk-throughs or their hunts or lockdowns so I do assist in some psychic development classes in Santa Ana <hes> so I do stuff like that and then I also do educate people like through the investigations that we do the lockdowns just to Kinda. Give people a little heads up like hey if you're going to be doing this. This is the right way to protect yourself. So you don't have anything follow you home. I remember that from the David Omen House when I was sitting down with <hes> in the third floor with you and the guest the first group and you had this amazing table set out with Sarah night and candles and sage and then you had amazingly pendulums and like maps with Lake you know where the pendulum can you know you know swing right and left towards and I mean that was such a great opportunity for people to learn to learn how to do these things right <hes>. What what did you gather from that night at Diva Omens House? It was fun because that had actually been my first time there so it was a whole different energy but I made sure I protected the lower level and made sure that everyone was feeling comfortable and everybody was. I didn't want anyone to be afraid. I didn't want anyone to feel fearful or you know native or anything like that because I want the energy I want you to feel the energy yes but I don't want it to be a scary scary negative things for people. I want them to be able to know how to do certain things so that they can protect themselves and they are not afraid so then nothing is feeding off of that that's true yeah now. They were talking about the paranormal. Walk us through your beginnings with your relationship in the paranormal and your site so <hes> like I said we'll life I mean since I was a baby will ever since I can remember talking into spirits like they were just like regular people <hes> I actually grew up in a house that the previous owner had died in and he was you know as a spirit still living there so you know Lanman Hickenlooper was his name and I talked to him all the time and I didn't see it as anything bad and then through my teenagers you know after my mom telling me. Don't tell anyone you're gonNA. You're crazy. Just keep that in yeah and then I you know destructive behavior because I couldn't express who I really wanted to be and then finally one day it was like okay. I just want to be myself. I just want everyone to know like this is why do I don't WanNa be afraid of myself. I don't want other people to be afraid of me and this is the best this way for me to show people that psychics don't have to be all woo woo in some times creepy and read your palm. They worship fine. You know like I don't wear US hurbon. I don't I don't have a one eight hundred number none of that so I want people to see like psychics are just like you and me. It's not a costume. It's not a fad. It's it's actual human beings and everybody has this ability and anybody can work on in develop. It is just you have to go over the fear right so I want everyone to get over the fierce that they can be their true selves Jessica Way of putting in yeah what messages cheer for people who have your abilities that don't know how to <hes> approach it or how to control it or just go through life with it so psychic development classes. There's if you look online. There's a lot in a lot of returning areas yeah so L._A.. Orange County <hes> even I mean if you're not from California there's other places if you look upon lines like get development classes or workshops. There's so many things out there in the world that you could be educating yourself and not to be afraid of it because it's really as long as you know how to protect yourself. There's really nothing fear and I. I just want people to understand like it's not scary. It's not weird because everybody has it so just get over that fear and that stigma of what you think a psychic is and then I auto whereas outside on the porch guys we're just missing tea and gossip which will soon the Kling Kling uh-huh you feel like like you see a lot of those classes in workshops more so in California than anywhere else or I think there is more in California because more people in California or typically open to it. I'm seeing a lot more people nowadays being being open to the idea of it wanting to do things like this and there's so many things on T._v.. Now in the media it's like Oh look paranormal this and look at Aliens Dad and it's just like really that word is getting out in that acceptance. This is starting to happen. Yes so I feel like along more people are going to psychic development classes even if it's just to see if you have anything right so it's just for for some people's for fun and some people they wanna make a living out of it. Whatever way you're going to do it great so I I encourage everybody to do it? <hes> tell me what do you talk about in development class with individuals that are trying to. I guess like manage their gifts so it's a lot of protection obviously is the number one thing thing how to cleanse yourself how to clear yourself how to manage your abilities whether it'd be clairvoyance which is like clear seeing through your third. I clear audience you know hearing things feeling things clear sunshine like others so many different like Clair's <hes> subjects and there's other things like how to work a pendulum. I love that yeah loved that in <hes> that when we were downstairs that map in the pendulum it was so safely ah felt safe. I felt like good. This is how you do it not some like little teenage kid messing around with a Huiji board he bought on Ebay and the poor stigma that goes with that to g bore it depends on who's using it and how they're using it so we aren't bad. It's just you have to learn how to use these tools properly right so a lot of that psychic development to is learning how to use the tools properly only talking to things that are from the light sites. You don't WanNa talk to anything else because it's really not going to give you the right information anyway so it's doing the right things with the tools and learning how to discern what's negative. What's positive what I can talk to the different for feelings with that so there's there's a whole thing there's so many themes and so many subjects with it that I mean I mean I can go on for days and days and days tile? I know yeah remember last interview. We could man we had some amazing things there were brought up during that interview and things that happened say we cannot explain well you can. You're like all those them so tell me I'm a green goes hunter and I'm taking a workshop from you or to classroom you on how to on on protection water lake your top three <hes> you know items things for protection. That's awesome you already know so. There are three things plus. We Have E._S._P._N.. I'll sort central but yet you're there is three things so with protection. It's asking for guidance and that's the number one thing is you gotta ask because if you don't ask by the accordance of free will. They can't really do a whole lot because they don't want A. There's such a thing as divine intervention but it's better to ask and have that security so it's asking your guides it's asking your angels asking God source spirit sure it whatever you want to call it to come in and support you and just to protect you during that time of your uncertainty or if you're anxious or whatever's going on the number one thing is asking for it. Number two is shielding yourself so oh is asking your guys again to shield you in a protective field so when you go into an area nothing's going to get attached to you so energies can get attached to you. You don't want that suck you dry. You don't want it so it's either surrounding yourself in a white light like a cocoon of light light or gold laid. You know that's a really high vibrational color or any color you know that's going to like green is for healing purples for psychic development and blue as for communication so you can and I have a handout so I'm gonNA give everybody a hey yeah so it's there's a whole lot of things do shielding and then the strongest one is led so if you actually surround yourself in a cocoon of lead no thing toxic can get through. That's where you're in a really really negative environment where you think there's something going on here or if you're with a person that's extremely violent or something like that. Surrounding yourself in lead is really going to help okay <hes> so that's the number one like if you're in a bad situation kind of deal yeah but all the shields help the asking for help all those kinds of things and then number three is using some kind of object so crystals or a religious icon or talisman or something something. That's GonNa make you feel powerful. <hes> I'm going to go over crystals too so what protective crystals US black term lean hepatix. There's all kinds of crystals that will help you feel protected and they have an aura. I'll be talking about Auras rose and what they are and how you can protect it and things like that so those protective objects are GonNa help you feel more powerful along with the shield along with asking for help so those are the three number one things asked shield object. Ask Shield Object Okay S._A._A._O.. Guys Essay. Oh there you go we. We got the acronym for that now. <hes> had you ever had anyone approach you out of the blue and say you know Dixie. I have a problem I went goes hunting being I didn't protect myself and now something attached itself to me. Can you help yes so I am also a reiki master and a Karuna reiki master so what we can do as an energy healer is help detached those things from your aura <hes> and there there's also a woman. Her name is Margaret McCormick and I have her information. She does all kinds of removals and she doesn't from a distance so you never see her. You never have to do anything because there's distant healing. That's really what it is healing so she clears aura and she's surrounds your or afterwards with a protective shield. That's good for this lifetime so nothing will ever get attached to you ever again. I am in the process of learning that so I still I am still in the process but I am getting to a point where I'm going to be doing things like that so for her. She's like the top gun so Margaret McCormick it's W._W._w.. Dot Margaret McCormick Dot Com just look her up <hes> I think she goes by healing hands and you can. She has like she does does what's it called House clearings all by distance and <hes> she does animal clearings and planned clear everything she does everything so skies and I can do that too but she he does the lifetime protection. I don't know the triple a. of Psychic literally had her drew on me and I feel like after she did all my life has changed and my life was more positive and so many good things have happened from that so definitely recommend. If you feel like you have some kind of attachment to you go to a rookie master or some kind of spiritual healer even Shamans they can detach things from your aura as well or Margaret McCormack Ormoc so anybody I mean just do some kind of spiritual go to a healer because if we try to do it on ourselves it's Kinda hard yeah so if you're trained in how to do it like a rain astor is then it's a lot easier for us to go in and go okay you're done. You're clear whatever get out here. Don't get anything protect yourself but <hes> yeah so that's what I would recommend for anyone who feels like they have attachments. You can always ways surround yourself and those lie the white light and gold light and things like that but wants something is attached to your aura. You can't really get it out so you have to go to someone who can actually detach that for you does that work with axes that I actually so different thing so when we are attached to somebody and have a an invisible cord that is attached to them so when we become wow intimate with someone or when we were in a relationship and even with family so we can have cords attached family. When's your in a negative relationship and you have a court attached to that person and you don't know how to cut that cord then that's where you know you're still attached to that person in a sense so you can actually cut on your own so cutting cores is just imagining <hes> I what I like to tell? People and different psychics have different ways of doing it but you can do this on your own astor guys to help you cut your cords. Imagine agent a giant gold scissor. That's cutting that cord. That's attached to your navels his naval or whoever it is cut that cord don't let it reattach again right to stay away from guys. You've got your first lesson right here. Actually your second you. You can do on your own yeah so you don't need to go to anybody or anything like that and that will help you detach from that person so you can move on with your life and this doesn't happen just instantly this takes time right is part of the cut cords and or just a process of <hes> <hes> of healing and ray he work a lot of people are so used to supply an immediate demand. It's like they think it's Amazon. Prime like I'll get in a day. We'll go away you know within several hours right and I from what I heard Erdan. Some of these things Kinda take time is that right it depends on what it is so if you had a really severe attachment to someone it's really you being able to let it go so if you're not able to let it go but you still want that court cut yeah it is still there or you're not able to let it go. It's you have to realize that it's a negative relationship or whatever the case may be. Let it go you're done. You have to be done so if you're not done that. Court is still attached so once you have made that decision. You know what I want this Goan for my life. I WANNA move forward. I WanNa let it go. I WANNA cut the cord so it's just really going into a meditation asking your guides for help seeing that court cut and you have to stay true to that. You can't go but all the way back I wanna go because then they're not gonNA. You can't cry wolf with that stuff right because then it's going to be laying. Do you really want this or not. It's going to be a constant issue in your life so once you really make the final decision <hes> I don't want this anymore. Then that's when the court can be cut God when you're ready to Lego. That's like me embrace with iced coffee and chocolate man and cheese pizza. I don't want to cut them yet. She pizza or not done yet never thirty nine so let's go into brackenfield manner <hes>. What have you felt so far setting foot onto this property? There is a lot of different things to swirling around here <hes> the funniest. I know this probably shouldn't be funny. I actually I actually <hes> in one of the rooms when I stepped in to <hes> I can't even remember what room is. I'm going to have to go up and see I actually fell a drunk man stumble well and full-face burst into the wall and I I'm sorry but it was the residual things like that imprint Polish. I was probably most likely that man Eddie Murphy's crony. I'm like wow okay. I'm GonNa leave him alone and this is the spirit guys. This is not a returns here moaning. It's a drunk man. It's already he's drunk. He's going to be sleep it off. Just let him sleep it off. He'll be fine fine. That was pretty funny. <hes> but I have felt you know other entities here across the way at the what is it the bath house or the I'm here. I don't even know what these things are called. <hes> I think it was like the clubhouse clubhouse or the Pool House. They call it so I felt a twelve thirteen year old boy in there was just like a paper boy back in the twenties at a cigarette behind his ear. The mob did run this place for a period of time and I feel like he was the errand earned boy and so I was kind of feeling him out a little bit and then inside <hes> right before I walked up the stairs there was a woman that stopped me and was like don't go up here. He's up here and I'm like well. I'm GonNa Gull Anyway Anyway. So I you know and I told her Mike. It's okay like I I know how to talk to him and try to calmer down a little bit violet because I know that harder presents pretty strongly felt here. I'm not sure if it was her at the name I go from her was blanche or or blank or something with a b. l. but she didn't she was kind of freaked out and anxious a whisker. It's can be really nervous too right so is trying to calm her down and then after calm now and she didn't really want to talk yeah so he should take some of that who drunk spirit. I know it just take the new shine in jail pass on the four. You'll be girl yeah and then there's certain places where in the seller I think there's a vortex in there and I think it's brand new like I think somebody went in there and did something so. I'm going to have to investigate that a little bit more because that I feel like that was just a recent thing that happened so I'm going to have to try to close that before. Anything else comes through <hes> and then and let's see what else did I feel. I mean there's spots in the house where I was just feeling like really heavy of the chest and really dizzy Oh and the the top floor where the suppose a man was thrown out the window. I saw that whole scene Ernie Ernie writer ernest row for Ralph from right sorry. I don't think he cares what the fuck do whatever remember when my name in life let alone the afterlife I could feel three men that were in the room with him and they were telling me because it was mob related so they're like you know shut up. Don't talk about this and I saw them. beat the crap out of throwing them out the window and I think he was dead before he came out the window so I saw that whole scene so yeah that's the part was psychic work. That's like okay legit separate urban legend Miss Miss with what actually happened that could lead me into the booed ventures you you know Zach Pagans you know the back ends and you I we have to talk about this because you discuss this in our last interview that I couldn't find but you worked on clearing his haunted museum. You came across a lot of interesting dead people there. There was a lot of spirit had not crossed the light the you know I helped crossing the lie <hes> but once it was clear he keeps adding stuff so adding things it just brings new energy in there and because he's got some negative stuff attached to him. They're telling him hey bring those lying whole bring those laying home and then because he's influenced by that he's causing fear and other people and of course they live on their negatives live on fear so yes they're like hey. This is the best guy to be around because he's GonNa keep bringing fear into this one area where people are paying to be afraid and it's just a cycle. That's never gonNA stop until like I think I'm going to have Margaret Clear him at some point in time because needs to put up a really good point because you mentioned that he had not one not too but he had four residences that he collected while being on the show right Yep from going to these places and not protecting himself because once you open yourself up to it and Eh Okay Daemon. I want you to attack a hey guess what they're gonNA frigging attack you and they're going to attached to you and go okay dum dum yeah. Let's do this party time. Now I WANNA bring all my friends with me too and so everywhere he goes. It's it's just collecting more stuff collecting more because he keeps opening himself up to it and you brought up a good point in lake within the like this the last seasons of the show you can notice like how is is always dark. Get Dr Peter Europe there darker skin <music> gets orange or get pinger has like a p. a. that hold flake. I Dunno like his like lipstick or maybe his powder cuts in the middle of take and it's like wait. I need to be like fixed probably does he's a drunk. I can see him do easy diva. You came across a very famous infamous entity at his museum. You came came across Charles Manson and you WanNa talk about that yeah well. He's in non in a good place and then of course because Zach now has his ashes grew charge per you were you so because he has his ashes and some other items of his were at the last moments of his life and with the other items that he already had attached to Charles Manson and now which I'm pretty upset about I know he's had it for awhile is the wedding wedding dress of Sharon tate. I am so disgusted that he would have two of those things in the same place considering but his demons are telling him to do that to do that so love people responsibly. It's an different room celebrity in the same ground doc. It's like it's just disrespectful. I totally disrespectful but <hes> yeah so he is not in the light. Obviously is very scared of judgement which you know <hes> find signed whatever I won't he's living in his own personal hell right now any kind of needs to go through that for a while good though learn from that and he needs to see all the pain he's caused and he does it and he's afraid so no it's not and there's so many other things with that too that I I've been coming across and I don't want to. There's some secrets that I feel like are going to be opened up here pretty soon about that whole case so I I really do believe that <hes> someone ordered him to kill her. Oh my God yeah and I I know who that is. Oh my God. I don't want to say anything in time something you saw definitely yeah. It's it's really bad. We had a listener. Ask Us. What did you collect that David Omen towels late? What did you see with your mind's eye? Well surprisingly enough. I mean there really wasn't any negative energy there. I I reloaded negative. Energy Baggins said there was an idiot. He's got demons. I don't know I did not feel anything. Negative there. There was definitely some strong energy there. I definitely energy from the land because there's a whole bunch of crazy stuff going on with the land but I didn't feel any you know the murder things that happen that whole situation. I didn't feel that <hes> it's just I really feel it's a land energy that is so strong yeah and it just makes people either sake or dizzy or you know I'll make it can be overwhelming a little bit. You don't know how to handle that type of energy but it's it's strong. There's but I I didn't feel anything negative per se but I don't know if anybody else did when center I felt all those things the house next door yet some negative stuff in it but not the Omen I don. I didn't feel that was the positive space in my next door was just who I walked in there. I five minutes. I'm like baby out. Get me out like I just felt so head downstairs and yet it and it's so funny that you mentioned downstairs because when I was sitting by the fireplace on the first level it just felt like. Likes it like arms or hands like dragging me down like they wanted me to come down there with you. <hes> of the <hes> the investigators that were like I really want to go down there might no you don't know no you don't know Nope Nope Nope nope though I had had palpitations going out and a lot of people did it was fun. Now we had an interesting discussion in Bryce wants me to bring this up heaven and how we talked about a real quick. We have five more minutes. Walk us through your belief in heaven and how so there's no such places Hell Hell is where we are here on this earth. This is our learning ground. <hes> heaven is more of a teaching plays where it's really our souls are meant to grow and you start off as a kindergartner you know in being a soul and then every life that you have your growing and you're learning to be that spiritual Russell. Being you know ultimately some people WANNA get to ascended master status and some people they don't and they wanNA graduate high school. They're fine with that so it just depends on where you are spiritually growing <hes> but there's a there's no why would God create someone just to send them the hell that doesn't make any sense and I've asked how many people and my own research and my own meditations and they're like yeah. There's no such thing hell is what you make of Earth. This is the toughest office learning ground there is so and we're just like living the lives you know as ourself from past lives because we're here trying to learn something that we didn't learn in another yeah so so definitely there is Karma involved so the people old keep showing up in your life pay attention to that because that might be someone that you had a pass life with that. Karma needs to be balanced so that person won't go away until you figure that out so yeah so that person that keeps showing up that you don't WanNa see anymore. There's a reason for that so try to figure out what that comment. Even if it's just you know forgiving them or accepting their forgive or whatever it is. It's you know we need to work out our Karma so we can move on right as spiritual beings correct. I need to work on a lot of things cutting my cheese pizza intake. We're here. We're here to learn. You're not only do healing within like human beings this. y'All do animal healing you I do I do animal healings and communication and I absolutely love it because I mean they're just the purest little amazing creatures I mean all animals are they're just they're so blunt about everything and they're not GonNA light it. They don't lie to you about anything and I just love working with them. I mean they're just little blessings and they make me so happy loved. You get a lot of individuals. I bring you animals like I adopted her him woman. I just wanted to where he came from. Yes I actually I actually do get people that either they find animals or they get them from a shelter and they wanNA know like what they're back. Story was because as human beings we want to know the story. We want to know where you came from and what happened to you you know but in some cases it's like it's better not to know because I don't want them to put that negative like Oh. You poor saying Oh you had this is like 'cause they live in the present. They want to be happy now. You don't want to think about the stuff that happened and some of them they unfortunately if they were severely abused like that they have to work on but for the most part a lot of clients want to know where they came from the other stories of the they can have a story amazing reading of my of my mea. I was like nobody no because it's so true I just felt needed to be my life as you all of our animals really I believe that I believe one hundred percent definitely come into our lives. Furry dogs journey right there are little guardian angels while thank you so much Dixie for sitting with me and when I'm keeping this I on this recorder and everything's great everything. I'm checking it man making sure that it's still recording also where can people find you so you can go on my website W._w._w.. You died Dixie Tanto Cardini DOT COM <hes> I can spell the last name T. A. N. T. A. R. D.. I N. I.. So I'm on facebook I'm on instagram. Check my website out. If you have any questions for me an email you can find it on my website so yeah. That's pretty much where you can find me. Thank you so much. I can't wait tonight. I can't wait for your workshop. I know it's GonNa come up right now. Secrets set Dixie Cantini came across that night a David Omens House in regards to the Sharon Tate and Charles Manson case is quite astounding and it's definitely something that might come up or might not who knows but it's definitely something very interesting but a secret is a secret and I promised wouldn't tell so now we make our way to another O._C.. Coast and legends member Larry and our interview was quite interesting gene since we touched on the subject of the Latino community in the paranormal so let's talk with Larry Larry Zamora and I do utility a little but attack and I believe junior investigator and I've been with the group for at least three years for years. Also I remember Req- from David Owens House. I have captured a photo of you with an ORB on your shoulder. Yeah I have to show it <hes> so what dri to the paranormal and what got you investigating in and why well what Jimmy to the paranormal first of all it's actually and like the Latino community taxi something most of us believe in but at one point or another. I was actually very scared me for a while <hes> because it was just something I didn't understand I actually come from a scientific background so for me. <hes> although there was no proof just idea that there is something out there that doesn't have any proof and we still believe in it <hes> for some reason we just terrifying <hes> so what actually did was <hes> at one point. I believe it was a couple years ago. I decided anything that scares me. I'M GONNA go ahead and essentially face my fears. So one point I was scared <hes> Heights so actually did at some work as a Roofer so that the care of that <hes> and then I guess the paranormal was the next one so I decided <hes> Hey I'm gonna go ahead and join a group. I mean ultimately I do WanNa believe in it. I I WANNA WANNA have that open mind so if I get to go ahead and notice anything perfect if not there's no issue with that so I <hes> reached out the Chris. <hes> I went ahead. They did the interview process and everything and <hes> actually on the big first night I found out that although we are in San Juan Capistrano nobody at that time in the group next able to still nobody actually can speak in Spanish now so the first investigation I did. That's where I found out. Hey <hes> like a pretty pretty useful for it. So I started asking I do questions in Spanish every now and then I do a couple of other languages <hes> but stick mostly to Spanish and <hes> as far as I know from what I've actually heard there are I haven't heard any actually any actual response back just yet but from the areas we're bringing in southern California more than sure. We're going to get something nice. That's a goal but that being said ultimately <hes> three years I've noticed a couple of things that are out of the ordinary but nothing with conclusive evidence essentially tell me about your first paranormal experience or did. Did you have one actually my first paranormal experience or I believe it's paranormal was the very first investigation I did with the O._C.. Ghost and legends and we were out in San Juan Capistrano and <hes> we had actually just finished investigation and after that investigation <hes> we were essentially putting Oliver equipment away and at that point <hes>. I heard someone say many so I got like hey you. Did anybody call me and everybody's like no called so I I talked it up. I'm like okay probably probably something along those lines but <hes> I WANNA get Outta here because I want to get out of here and catch an episode of friends but Yeah Oh wow that's pretty that's pretty intense. I noticed that poster on the outside where we guys in investigating in San Juan Capistrano in San Juan Capistrano. We were actually investigating off of Los Rio Street really what what a story on on that street will actually. It's the oldest street in California that still i. I didn't know that that's amazing. Yes so the that's definitely one of our. I guess you could say our our home grounds. Wow what are the tales from that location tales from that location <hes> they vary anything from the lady and white which is everywhere but also <hes> there a couple of other stories along those lines most of them have to do with the railroad because at that point when it was initially actually put in that spot it was there was a lot of lash back because they essentially put it in front of People's houses and said you can't do anything about it so <hes> but there is there are a couple of stories based off of that and <hes> actually we've done <hes> we're still experimenting with it but we do believe that if for example a train does pass by that gives or stirs up energy to go ahead and <hes> <hes> maybe 'cause something to go ahead and try to communicate and we've actually we've gotten some results based off that amazing yeah. That's what I'm Anthony was mentioning to your investigation since Antwon that they were very successful. Oh yes I you mentioned like the Latin community in the paranormal. <hes> I WANNA really touch on that subject with you. Because I mean that is a good thing to bring up especially here in California with Hispanic Population <hes> what was your point of view on like the Latin community and the paranormal actually I mean usually we do go ahead and I believe very much with any society. It's it's not I don't understand it so I'm scared of it <hes> but at the same time there's also an understanding that <hes> for example when I started with those ghosts and legends it was actually we started talking about residual and then intelligence <hes> <hes> intelligent haunting and one of the couple of things regarding an intelligent haunting is essentially saying goodbye to a loved one and <hes> at that point I had remembered my mother had told me a story of the yeah when you were still still we're when you were still essentially and my belly your grandfather had passed away your grandfather. My father had passed away and I had the windows closed and I was close to some blinds in the blinds just went like as if somebody passed by them and <hes> at that point that eventually they shortly after she found out that he had passed away so <hes> she she obviously she told me that without any without any of that fear obviously we do have that fear based off of some of the folklore such as my. You're not let things like that so I mean at the same time. It's just most of the stories are I've seen something in Iran away. Yeah that sounds right or I've seen something in my mom told me to say like the eight hail. Marys that is my mom. Is Your meal thumbing his looks crystal. You GotTa say trade now Mary's at the same time. It's just something that we don't understand so. I believe that that that doesn't impact that alone right. What do you plan on collecting tonight's investigation well tonight's investigation although we are going to be collecting is actually more for any guests investigators we you wanna go ahead and help them at more or less? We want them to have the experts. That's amazing. Although we're definitely keeping out for things it's definitely for our guests as a paranormal investigator. What are your <hes> tools of choice? What this your what are your paranormal investigation tools of choice? My Okay my very first tool I believe in I believe most of us believe in is our intuition our intuition. There's that feeling where you feel <hes> something happening in raises the hairs on your back or raises the hair on the back of your neck and you feel hey. Something's not right here or something different year actually here here. I did have an experience where <hes> I had gone up to the third floor and the here my am. The back of my neck just stood up. Is that the Jasmine Room <music>. I'm actually really excited to set foot in that room. Definitely I mean the experience I had as I got up. There was in the middle of the day the hair in the back of my next stood up and I just <hes>. I guess it was a primal thing where you're you're just you're fighter. Flight came in wow so <hes> for me. It's always fight and not flight <hes> so for me. Let's go but ultimately there wasn't anything in there I walked in I checked and after that the feeling one away and then we had guests that night and I believe it was in that area that we had a guest draw <hes> I guess it was the easiest way I could say was <hes> female figure figure with a whole bunch of hair standing up and <hes> with a black background and it was definitely menacing so I was okay. I'm rethinking going up there now. Now I WANNA go. I mean definitely you should go ahead. Try Out. I mean ultimately everybody's expenses their own and that's definitely something that we like to go ahead and say at the beginning of every investigation. I mean feel free to go ahead and tell us hey this is what I feel because you might actually go ahead and be explained something. That's something else assist feeling and actually validating them so I mean what experiences their own. Everybody's built a different way. I mean some people are able to pick up on certain things while others people aren't so <hes> we never go ahead and say hey no. That's alone right. That's definitely something that can happen. That's true <hes> any last words or words of advice for individuals kind of venturing into the paranormal or wanting to investigate it <hes> definitely go ahead. I know most of them <hes> do here all of their recordings but <hes> definitely interesting to hear your recording several times because at the first time you may not go ahead and catch something and then second or third time or just having somebody else listen to it at that point here like I miss this so not only that but <hes> definite the if you wanna go ahead and investigate it make sure that you're prepared for everything in anything I agree. We thank you so much Larry. I wish you happy goes hunting. The Jasmine Room of the manor is one of the most highly active rooms I I I thought it was the violet room but jasmine from what I I was told definitely takes the cake. Legend has it that it's inhabited by the spirit of a gentleman by the name of Ralph Ralph was a groundskeeper that worked on the property back in the twenties there two stories the first one one was that he was a little rough with the girls and they didn't take too kindly to it so they complained to the mob and the mob handled him second story was he was in love with one of the prostitutes and the mob members found out and they took care of it the only way they knew how by beating him up to death throwing his body out of the third floor window where was soon ran over by car and then his remains were thrown into the woods where they are consumed by bears but it is legend and however route definitely makes himself very known and Chris August. WHO'S THE LEAD Director of O._C.? Costa Legends has had a very very personal experience with Ralph in that room and you can actually find that video on their Youtube Channel O._C.. Jose goes a legends on Youtube but later that night Ralph definitely made his presence known to one of our investigative members in our group will listen to her story later but we make our way to another investigator by the name of Anthony Me and Anthony is one Helluva guy and here's our interview with Anthony. I'm Anthony Holter. I am Ben With O._C.. Gross allegience for a year and I'm an investigator in Tech Guy. How long have you been investigating the paranormal in general since I was seventeen years old oh my gosh how that like <hes> withdrew E._t.? Paranormal and what was your first paranormal experience so kind of goes hand in hand with drew me and my first experience really goes hand in hand together. I'm from Minnesota and my sister-in-law owned property called The mail would stone barn which if you're familiar with the Mayo Clinic at all your hospital the mayor would brothers lived on that property opportunity and there's that theory that limestone attracts energy will the whole property was lying limestone but mailer brothers had killed themselves on their property. They committed suicide. My Gosh isn't love silly little places so they how you see three. Are you buildings here. Brackenfield there's little houses on the mail and properties huge and my sister-in-law was going through time at that time and just kind of just bad energy all around so I decided to step in and helped my brother who take care of my nieces and nephews and that same night I just had this feeling that I had to look out the window behind me and I saw this full black figure clears. I'm seeing you're walking guy and I'm like there shouldn't be anyone walking around thirty in morning. Now it's proper use locked off you know there isn't anyone on there be call the please because he knows family owned by my sister-in-law and her parents right. We don't want any strangers on the property at all and as a SEC okay and I turned to look back you know in the couch just Kinda really confused and turn around again and it was gone disappeared like that. I was like no human can walk that fast right and I didn't really know what it was a hand seen any of these shows then and and then the second thing that really terrified me on loss because then understand it was this black mashes coming through into the house in going up the stairs. Remember Nephews Risley. No No. I'm a protective Uncle Saris the first thing I did. I bolted up the stairs my brothers sleeping next to my nephews man like Brain Nubian in call him brothers name. He's <hes> he's like what what what's going on is it. What do you mean what's going on? I was like some something up here with the someone's up here. What are you talking about? I'm like I saw this big. Black mass like go into this room where God and he was kind of like laughed at me. Where are you laughing? It's not it's like I'm scared to death right and so he comes down and he pats the couch next music. Come sit down. It was like okay he's like you just had a paranormal experience what does that he is really been into two years. Well Heathen investigated the property later <hes> <hes> we came up with all kinds of evidence turns out on that property <hes> that he had acquired and he told me about it and I was super fascinated. It just caught me right there and I was like now that I understand that and I was just like okay cool you know my research research on the computer and just started from there and did solo investigating for a long time Iran my own team back in Minnesota <hes> so it was crazy to be able to my big thing is educating. I like educating everybody the paranormal and letting them know other ten. It's not going to be something bad the theory. Is You know if you're miserable life. You're probably going to be missed because of course so that's really how I got into started in writing experience really locked me and then I wanted to figure out and find the truth. Can you agree with me that the Midwest is more haunted and any other place in the blades something of with them for our mid Westerners. 'cause I mean I go story that I've heard from stranger. People let you know just I just had this conversation like yourself about the normal. It's like well. There's this place in you know Illinois or you know Indiana you know Bryce can vouch for Ohio as well well. I mean yeah I mean it's a very common thing and I didn't realize how come here until I started going to research myself. I figure out all these locations right and it's funny because a lot of them in the mid West cemeteries old cemeteries just being there for a long time some of them being desecrated or bulldozed Marais parking lots or whatever so yeah the Midwest says a chock full of history there that though I like a lot so is this your first time at Brechin fern because I know Oh. This is your second time because I know <hes> they you guys are the reason why ghost adventures pretty much investigated here. That's very true they had asked permission from us. Nice investigate the location. That's the story goes from Chris. He's mets acts Nice Guy. I haven't had the pleasure meeting him yet. I hope to one day I I help locations as well so sometimes I kinda run into locations. They have investigated yeah. Just Kinda got a coordinate. Everything one team has like solely in you know singlehandedly yeah like like investigated a property. I didn't know like I guess it's just like you know. It's courtesy to ask teen courtesy calling on this thing to do okay we. We are team. We try to be the best team that we can be <hes> we take a lot of pride in being intimate with our guests giving them that one on one counter as you know from the House and being with us there. That's that's what our joy is that interaction with the gas and I'm actually really excited because Chris is leading me lead my first group that is exciting. I remember when I had been asked to at the Harris House. I'm like what it's it's an exciting and like you know like Oh my God flattering you know experience you have a hierarchy and so we have love requirements hours that we had to meet before we get promoted of course and that's fair. You know I'm totally down with it but your little short staffed this time. I was supposed to be paired up with the GAL who couldn't be here. Unfortunately who's been here a few times before more than my have so Alabi like my support guide basically helped me out Chris. Do you still want to do for groups or do you want to do three. We'll do a forward and talking to Andrew who did logistics. You know they're having me lead a group tonight so I'm really excited. That's amazing congratulations. No matter the hierarchy or sonority were always there helping each other. I noticed goodbye from your group like you guys are really great and you're so welcoming met met other groups that you know there are really great and others that were just very intimidating and very closed off and I didn't have a good experience with them but you guys really take the time and like you literally like hold people by the hand and guide them through this whole process process and I appreciate that that's amazing is socially for me. I've always been that socially awkward person. I was also really shy and you know now. Being part of the team has really made me come out on Michelle. We saw great never expect from you. I'm proud of myself like to be able to do that and how this experience opens up more doors and opportunity is really get out there and just try. It's not a matter of succeeding in their failures. Try Try it. Try It. You see how you do what is your advice for people that <hes> WANNA get into the paranormal or even start their own paranormal investigation team. Those are good question. <hes> just just I'm going to go with Nike slogan. Say just do it. You Know GonNa take a lot of the research. You'RE GONNA have to research especially if you want to a team. That was the hardest thing for me trying to get back in Minnesota. Thankfully all my coworkers were really into the paranormal. So my team was right there. They work and I worked there <hes> but you know my biggest thing that I try to tell people is respect. The spirits respect the entity. That's my biggest pieces of ice. Anyone you know it's I. Hey these people try to provoke and deal and then of course they're gonNA cause problems for them. You know whereas if you're being nice or you ask a question and they acknowledge it say thank you thank you for being here. Thank you for acknowledging and making the sound or or something you know just be respectful. There's no on off switch so they're gonNA come out whenever they want to and we've had bland investigations were these come out and that's fine in their territory. So you know just like whoa that's true now. You're right absolutely so tell me about this group that you're leading. Is it on a certain level or you're doing just a second third rotation of a certain facility here it's going to be we hit <hes> there's three buildings on the property where she other its way dot says the Pool House right okay so that's why I love brackets going. There's a lot of righty here along with all the holidays history and stories and just the era of times. Just it's really cool <hes> so we have a whole schedule of rotations stations rotations will be thirty forty five minutes long depending <hes> sober all in four groups <hes> we'll just lead rotate every time someone says you know all these places it'll be up and down all around the Tudor House over here all here in Bragman firm and some of the rooms to be put in <hes> are there. Are you know your room may be subject to investigation like are you okay with that especially here. In the Bracken for coming out is that the are really the great story. I loved put that on the website on your website 'cause <hes> this is so cool about this investigations that you get to spend the night here and I love how you guys rated like the activity like highly active or if you want a good night's sleep you could sleep in and like the firm room or something coming here last year for my first year. I got you spend the night here in sleep in two other rooms which one where they so jasmine issue I read about the Ivy Room a bra raw. Ivy Is my favorite because it's a little boy. That's there and we brought Toya's he likes toys and we set him up. You know a certain way we woke up the next morning and they were all changed. It was so cool and I was like thanks Ryan. That's alleged name that we figured out now thanks Brian we appreciate you messing with the tires and playing with them like enjoyed them and believe in there for the day or whatever <hes> Jasmine is the most notorious room. Oh the manner <hes> where you know this was the whole prohibition period right <hes> so you have the mob coming in and some not less so nice things happen to gentlemen name Ralph. He got tossed out of the window the Jasmine Rim dixie. He's telling me over multiple times for good measure so we've done a variety of experiments in that room. <hes> I happen to be caught. It was kind of wrong place wrong time caught with our investigator Mike in Program last year sort of the crosshairs a lot of energy. It was going on in that room really really crazy so brachman good or it's just like it was just off for me. Everything I've experienced is pretty neutral. Okay so it's not which way but I'm also like autumn all land half the time the healthy skeptic that's trained disparate. Everything's paranormal exact most likely someone's phone ooh. Maybe it's just the piece of equipment giving off too much enough and then that's why I'm experiencing. Some crazy has lake from the last group. Did everyone come out with an inexperienced or story pretty much everyone. Oh I'm excited to hear why really excited that you're here is a lot of our guests are return guests. I met a few of them from David Towels and they remembered me and I was so happy to meet them again. There are such great people good energy. Good good folks that energy kind of determines night to yes gene. You're really excited in your the activity. It won't be disappointed has not let me down as far as hasn't let anyone else down. I've had some crazy experiences here. That's just give me we'll give all of us your that one experience that just like it repeats over and over like a residual haunting in your mind much Oh man so last year here I was a solitary attendant then because we are awesome solitary thing kind of like are fun perk comes so we escorted guest down here location and they're they're in the dark completely with the radio themselves. That's right you guys. You're going to do that dry it tonight and tonight's actually different redoing it with blindfolds based on what a lot of our listeners has seen on the ghost adventures show is there Damon is there Earth <unk> a negative presence or energy in the basement know their ego guys. No I and that's where I did my solitary wearing a score my guess was in that same location reject said that you know there is kind of negative entity. There is nothing there now for the show <hes> likely probably I get a discrediting anything but you know it's just doesn't match up sometimes so yeah now now what is oops. There's a car that very sneaky car. That looks like it's not even put together right. <hes> what is the most active room is at the Jasmine or is just the jasmine not the basement okay every location and building on the property have their different spots right early active so the Tudor House has been the stage. You can imagine back then there's a lot of performances dining dining area restaurant right so there's so much energy and a lot of people there <hes> the bath house <hes> just the downstairs bath house. I haven't really been up there in the upstairs area on rotation which I get to tonight so it's really cool. <hes> just downstairs ensues Amino hearing things here noises very common thing like that's the most common thing you'd probably get here is hearing voices or you get tapped touch as far as the manner. It's definitely the jasmine room that's kind of the the gold nugget if you spending the night there Nolan is wow for the investigative spot in it's also one of the solitary locations for tonight on my guy after tonight we will have to not jasmine room. <hes> I was supposed to buy for personal reasons I had to leave early in the morning right so andrew will be staying overnight and Jasmine. He has a had an experience in there. Yet is kind of phone that you know that goes back to on off switch again some of us. Do we all do during an investigation. How some kind of experience in the magazine Oh it's like okay thirty had their fun with us taking us alone? There like you guys took a lot of energy all of us yeah well. That excites me. I can't wait to even venture through the room. Just let you know my co-host prices waiting comfortably in a car in front of in-n-out Burger in L._A.. Eh You wanted to show up but no honestly he had a a lot of work to do <hes> with a show that he's in so he is here technically in spirit. No Pun intended spirit so <hes> I I wanted to ask one last question. What is your devices have choice? When you go into an investigation I've asked all the other investigators like what are their three top devices of choice so of course because of you the same as allow some <hes>? The digital recorder is the number one thing that you can bring that you're almost guaranteed some kind of evidence at almost every location. I've been to on team on my own team Minnesota. I've had some. Some audio come through and that's the gold there and just audio evidences amazing laughter children voices <hes> my second device that I like is what Mike has has is the portable device so playing the word bank backwards in Latin and saw a spirit comes theory. It's GonNa say an English so you can understand it. <hes> we've had a lot of success with advice. Actually I've seen that device is really it's really yeah. It's it's like probably my top favorite piece cool yeah every time. It looks really serious every time with Mike you know let's let's do the portal and then thirdly something that I brought onto this investigation that no one else has at the moment a compass interesting this explain why <hes> so I gather from a gentleman named Harry price he is a very well-known investigator <hes> back in the fifties nineteen fifties eighteen hundreds that kind of thing so there wasn't all that technology back then so what are you going to us right actually goes you know and compass you won't get interfered with by the electromagnetic field mhm and it's so light that's true simple. You don't have to worry about having its batteries drain exactly it's so late and simple so you know it won't be a lot of energy trade spin around yes so don't use the compass on your phone. He's an actual one. Guys can get two bucks five. That's true yeah so I really excited introduce that to my group. They're probably going to learning something to that's a really I mean. You're the first one to mention that probably going to get a kick out of it because as you know we have considerably Retro old-fashioned Yeah. We'll like a pendulum. Just kick it old school with your pendulum and in Corpus now like you could I mean do you Ashley. Whatever's in you know presences in the space with you a hey? Can you turn the dial left you you turn clockwise. Is that how you get to manipulate it. SMART will allow my guess to how the opportunity to hold the compass so they can see like eyesight you know and just watch it and see if it goes out of control. MHM really excited to see if I get hits on that yeah so my gosh. I'm sure I feel I feel like we're going to have a lot of great stories. Yeah it's going to be great. I one hundred percent agree. We'll thank you so much anthony thank you for. We're having Hollywood paranormal here allowing you to talk to you guys. I love like and I mean that from the bottom of my heart like love what you guys do your education everything. It's amazing. I'm very very I'm a big fan of you guys. I think that heavier thank you respect. An education seems to be the fame with O._C.. Ghosts and legends and that's something that I really admire about this group. That's always there whenever the investigate in the location such as Bracken fern manner his level of respect for each other and a level of respect for those that we can't see but the biggest question that I had to ask all the members of the O._C.. Ghosts and legends crew was this and it was something that I did see on the bag. Show is really a demon in the basement because that's what I noticed on episode three and season twelve of ghost adventures according to Zach Baggins or the BAGGINS. There's supposedly a bad presence a demon in the basement. The left scratches on certain individuals and according to O._C.. Goes Selections Pancer is no. There's nothing nothing mayor that's negative but there is something that makes his presence known as we make our way to the Tudor House we are prepared with an orientation by Chris August to give us a good background in history on Bradford manner along along with a great grounding ceremony that was given by Dixie Tanto Dini because protection is key as we learned earlier in this episode and then I made my way to a gentleman by the name of Roger Another member of the Oh Seco so much unscrew and here is his interview names Roger Woodcock and how long have you been with O._C.. Golsen legend over four years for years and I and tell me what got us the paranormal and then what got you into being a paranormal investigator. My mother was a sensitive she was on American Indian descent and and very much naturalist spiritual person and voice had my own beliefs systems and I've had a lot of personal experiences on my own before I joined the team. I'm I'm also. Will we call it believer skeptic. I don't believe everything's a ghost I believe sometimes life you generate what you WANNA believe and may not be factual may not be what actually happens on one of my job with the team is to debunk as much as I possibly can. I'll spend hours trying to disprove something. There's lots of things again disprove but about personal experiences and all these experiences their own so you don't want to take that away from them but if I can explain that weird sound you heard I'm GonNa give you these what I think it is. This is what I think it could have been. Take with you want with that so this team is very open. We try just about anything out there science. It's wise not science wise. I mean we've had I've had something like this is really kind of stupid from technical perspective and then had my eyes opened up by something tap and I give you experience such as we have seen call a boo bear <music> and people that are in the paranormal world what boo bear is it's basically a rimbaud inside of a Teddy Bear essentially and we're here last year with it and I had a group I was with I was just going to tag along with the group and they're up there where the cycle before the matter of the blueberries and free placed there and they go. It's moving and I'm like I'm like five yards away from whatever yes sure it is very very skeptical about it and I'm I walk up to it and that son of a what looks like Sony's is actually slowly squeezing it kind of bins over just just enough that that it's visually detective kind of bends over and stands about kind of like somebody's squeeze in the middle in the middle of breathing GonNa Freak me out because I hear I am. There's four or five. I people who are also seeing Emeka was one of the team members well. They're all sing. It and I'm saying okay now that that kind of freaked me a little bit was like what's making this person's. NEKO's this bitch open and see what the Hell's making it move because why Nielsen Nelson and then it repeated later on it wasn't as one event so things like that you think you get your free notions of what's real and what's not real and then the under is open by a group group experience right. You can't just discount like I think I was seeing things every Saad so those valuable that's short of getting it on video with two different video cameras Jhansi. That's probably the most valuable thing in the paranormal evidence is when you have a group that all one pair of is accreditation all walks of life so that's that's next to the holy. Grail is two different video cameras catching something. That's a holy grail that second told you were you part part of the group when they first investigated Breckenridge. Tell me about that experience <hes> the first inaugural back in front we come up. You're not knowing more than just the history on it on the fun part was as I actually came up here with my girlfriend at the time I'm a couple of weeks prior incognito because at that the owners there was really pushing the paranormal and we WANNA make sure they're not just pushing the paranormal actually something so we actually Congo and had some very powerful experiences. I was up most back with things being thrown. It sounded like a wooden shoe being thrown against the bedroom wall on the hallway. We were another couple checked in shortly after we did and we were still allowed him and they did so we thought they were doing something you know whatever and the matter at that time was kind of weird because nobody from the staff's neither man. I left a ten so we didn't know that either until the next morning so we were up a lot of the night with things not actually I actually brought him E._D._p.. Oh I'm sorry this recording with me and had a recording so we got all that on track but we can written office something going on so we go to check out in the morning and we decided we're we're going to say anything to the staff because we want to tip our hand about lesbian. It's been caramel team is how is your night. We're was good. If I'm issues. I didn't appear in the morning couple checked out shortly after they checked in because they're scared so we're actually in the manner by ourselves the whole night not knowing that allow and later on after talking to some of the staff and the property manager at the time building of the time right across rooms where one of the legends about person who doesn't like people in throws shoes the sound like somebody storing. Somebody hit the wall and fall at the wall in Paul right very very very you know like okay. That's a weird coincidence that that was what we thought we heard and we just thought maybe they're having a bad night or something and turns out really the only ones in the armed building and we had that sound so that was very eye opening for when we come back and that's we had a lot of mix energies and this is nothing dangerous or ugly but just all sudden very powerful energy and that's what we I experience here. I investigation here. Some very eye-opening experiences below the team members. Do you think it has something to do with the land or just the energy of the building or just what people brought into that investigation. I I think generally speaking not just led to this building. I think it's all the above I think I think jogger fee has something to do with us to sort of energy lines laylines. That's one of the theories out there. I think the history people people always saying oh something with the building well. This was also native American plan for a long time. We don't know what power that has. I find that areas that are known to be properties or land that was in had inherited are in habit by why do people seem to have a lot of energy my we just because that's what I want being native American background but always seemed like every place I've we've done. That's partly San. Juan blacks are canyons regular ones lots of powerful experiences Sir lots of mid American background of course because of American you know heritage a lot of it is spirituality like they were big spiritualists. They paid homage to God's and stuff well. There's no doubt in their mind and their believes there's there's no like Oh. That's you know pseudoscience with. That's that's what they believe so. There's no question their mind. It's just a matter of life for that <hes> so I always find that and this has this property has some native American background the land before it was developed was was tribal <hes> and then obviously all the energy back with d how these buildings being utilized why they were built on. We also have a natural underground spring run so here. That's why this was a speak easier at the Tudor House because part of the part of the moon shining is water supply while you know your law enforcement look look for pipes and they knew that was a moonshine operation no pipes here. Here's your not bring water. There's there's some theories about water bringing energy so there's a lot of possibilities focus into one area here tom now you've been investing for four years with Zico some legends as a whole. How long have you been investigating in general? I wasn't an investigator as far as with other teams I was a hobbyist had an interest in it. I had some on belief system. I actually got thrusted in dozy Gel purely by coincidence on they came to my my my second job so to speak my job is technical director for Community Theater in San Juan Capistrano and they had booked an event there and the owner and I was like I was only with six months whatever at the time and said Hey can just be there that nine support and whatever they need you know they're doing all the presentation lights Augusta and that's how I got involved with Posey. Jail was kind of interesting. I like what they're saying as far as being opened a lot of different things and months later two months later on the team race just like that just a little window of opportunity. They're doing went along with the team. I go most somebody whose background I rarely I come to these events but most I'm on the guy behind the camera doing that. GonNa Stop It. Just that's my my niche now. You talked about photography. <hes> have you caught any any credible evidence. Insist on photograph were on digital photograph on photos with as a team before a few things I think are most impactful photograph is probably here not a photograph actually a nighttime infrared video allow here <hes> the manner of a light anomaly anomaly now people see the the balls and all that stuff you know ninety nine point nine percent of time that's dust particles and it's very easily but we had add one particle that was tracking <hes> not like the other particles you could see there was not for dust particle show up on the camera. It's right in front of the land. You might look like it's it's actually writing from the lens this when you could see interact Iraq out there with objects go behind object to come back around and it was tracking you frame Hafren and I did all my usual Iran different color filters against it. I tried all the time trying to debunk what was could not come up with solution. I zoomed it in a digitally enhanced Hanson still run it in an almost like a donut a circle hormone love it and it was just very powerful Evans now. I'm we're never going to say it's a ghost. We don't know what if the says it was ought so let's team number says that's it goes because we don't know these ghosts. We don't know what this is. That's why the stool pseudoscience. That's why we we still just put it on the paranormal because we don't know what this right so. We just call goes because that's what we can grasp so what is was. I have no idea but I could not be bunket. I seen that video. It's on your Youtube Channel. Those goes and legend Youtube guys if you go on O._C.. Goes and legend. You'll see their videos. I think it's something like <hes> I think it was like Ralph's room or something or done hall sandwich. It's very very very interesting. There's an I created video. I want to show people what tools we used to debunk this what we did so that again holy grails two different cameras didn't get that when we had one camera running there but I wanNA show people steps we took to try to debunk it and good. That's amazing. I saw video and I'm going to have to find a guys to put it on our instagram program but it's so interesting like you can't explain it at all. It's like it's it. You could tell like that's not dust doesn't globally Brighton and focus pinpointed as Riyadh. Wow do you have okay how about this. <hes> what are your pieces of advice for any individuals hobbyists or future ghost hunters like what is your advice for them. Coming into this field be open minded be guarded the people. There's a lot of people out there that <hes> think everything's a ghost and that's kind of for me. That's the other side of the specter. Not Everything's goes be careful of psychics. We dixies great Mosa also her stuff I I I I can grab onto but we've had other psychics pass that you can tell within thirty seconds of this so getting you gotta be careful that stuff and then just be open minded to <hes> the technology beginning and we don't know what we're looking for here. This is all speculation on what this could be. Your couldn't be so even though even though it might seem really far fetched that you know this is happening are weak. You know the spirits able to manifest a word at an espionage Lebanon Spirit box and say we answer ask a question. We don't know what this very intelligence behind. We'd over just random energy. We don't know of it's you know get Ueli really out there you know parallel universes and all we just don't know so will be open minded to it intelligent about it and take a step back at the emotions out of it and try not to experience to debunk or not to debunk that is the question whether it does not learn mind to suffer the slings Banaras of our misinterpretations on what is dust in what is actually an orb or maybe if you blink a little bit you might just see bigfoot and background. I mean it is part of being a paranormal investigator investigator. You have to step into a logical standpoint and you have to take deeper dives. Not Everything is panned out to be a ghost. Now we move forward with the grounding ceremony and this is where I find it very very interesting important for ghost investigations especially for green investigators that just wander into a location without really protecting and grounding themselves because when you walk into the unknown you have to let whatever's out there known but you need business but at the same time you're protected now. Here's a crowning ceremony that is given by dixie Tanto Cardini before we split off into our groups and I was very fortunate fortunate be placed in her group with the lead investigator and Director of O._C.. Go some legends Chris August so here's Dixie Tanto Dini leading us into a grounding ceremony and for all you future in Green Ghost hunters out there. I really take notes because this is a very important ceremony to take whenever you set foot into the unknown. Everybody and you can participate if you don't want to. You don't have have to just ignore me as you don't want to ground. That's totally fine so this is going to help. You feel more secure more safe. Okay so what we're going to do. We're just gonNA take a really good deep breath that AL relax ourselves one more deep bread now what we're going to do as we're going to imagine a route. That's coming from your tailbone says their base route Shaqra so you're you're going to imagine a route. That's going down deep into the earth and then it's branching out and clasping onto mother earth. Some people might feel some vibrations coming from this. It's just mother earth supporting you nurturing you and keeping you save and then we're also going to do next is from the souls of your feet. You're going to imagine these routes and they're going to be going down even to the earth and grounding you and nurturing you and keeping your safe Apprai- all right take another deep breath and you're grounded so at any point in time. If anybody wants to do this you can. I I do it every single morning just to help me stay focused and calm so you can do at any point in time in any of you. It was a dark in stormy night. Seriously it was Tarkhan stormy night. When we left the Tudor House in meter way to the manner with Chris August and Dixie pandered or Dini and our group the fog was really thick so thick that you couldn't even see the road ahead of you but you can still make the road out due to the light of the moon? It was a full moon out we made our way across the street's the manner at night to little intimidating we make our way to the first floor as we started our first session with around of questions we heard a couple of Knox in the kitchen and finally made our way up the back staircase to the second level which was quite interesting according to Dixie when she did a walk-through of the manner one of the presences that made themselves known to her was an older woman that was telling telling her not to go up the stairs. Don't go upstairs why because he's there and we believe that he was Ralph and Ralph was ready for us. We made our way through the second floor. Where we felt some activity? We had the RIM pod setup along with the cameras and our boo bear. We finally make our way to third floor straight to the jasmine room already. I could feel my heart palpitation eating. I feel the sense of anxiety maybe it's because I already know what to expect in the jasmine room but I had this feeling that something was there and it didn't want us there. Soon we will realize lies that Ralph was going to make himself known to one of the members of our group and here's a recording of that session now keep in mind that the noisy you'll hear in the background is a spirit box that Chris August is using to delete an investigation in this room for some of you out there that don't know what a spirit boxes is. A tool that goes hunters use an attempt to make communication with paranormal entities it eases radiofrequency sweeps to generate white noise his which theory suggests give some entities the energy they need to be heard and when this occurs you'll hear something like voices or sounds coming through the static in an attempt to communicate. I we don't collect anything. We do here something in the background but we can't make it out but then it's followed by Knox and I think I collected something of an e._d._p.. During the session listen closely it sounds like someone saying take a baby baby step but then it's followed with an eerie presence that makes a self known to one of our guest members selene <hes> keeping the widow was a wasn't you guys moving. No it was a Bayard to ninety five in the window visits me again. What's your problem? Did you ever problem with me. You actually need me. Walk out of this place before your problem with this being here you'll get to someone just laugh cohasset your it and I think the where next to love to ray here can't be kency aware what did you see the of crystal city yes scrabble valet show. Who is that you feel an adult a child? You give me problems being here. What's your problem? I WanNa know what your promise. If you want to leave this room let us know do something because statement pal. She wants it here coming here. Were combing. We're going. Here's the audio again. Guys I could be wrong could be someone in the group but I don't remember anyone whispering. During this time here it is again. Could this be Ralph warning us to take baby steps absurd to tread lightly when we're in his room who knows but he definitely made his presence known to Selene. We make our way down to the second floor and then finally we get to the seller now. That's where things really picked up for us. It was pretty active. I've a recording of what happened. After we heard what we thought was buber in the room. We heard what sounded like the BOO bear going off or laughing and there was no one around round with the BOOB air. The buber was currently in the second floor and Chris August had notified Andrew to see if the buber was on nothing and then it happened. I saw my first apparition and I had someone sitting behind me validate. I don't know what it was but I was feeling so drained from being in the jasmine room that I felt like I was Kinda. Falling Asleep you see the seller is pretty dark and cold and I think <hes> for me. The energy was all sucked worked out and maybe whatever was trying to make its presence. No was trying to tell me to wake up and it surely woke me up. It just looked like a white cream like figure that just came around from the bannister and almost gone in my face ace. I can make out a knows a pair of is and as I jumped the gentleman behind me validated that he saw the same thing the thing with the seller is something very interesting. That's the entrance to the Prohibition Tunnels Awards I ask years. Yes very in the world two years. What did he knows? It happened just before that employs are just so it's as inserting something energizing so I don't know as pure coincidence moving energy so late with the wire incidence moving is the car the energy making you talk now as it was. Is it not the heart the braves you energy to do. The are cassie cars more cars session. Fortunately one of the members of the group had the recorder going on and picked up on the laughter which is something that we reviewed as you listen into the audio we could hear clear day what sounded like the boo bear going off almost like if it was laughing then you hear Chris August meeker really really good statement a hypothesis and this is their theory. Whenever there's a moving car that drives past the manner? It seems like it just ignites whatever energies are their energy feeds off of energy and nowadays a lot of these cars are electronic cars so every time time a car passes by the manner. It seems like some sort of activity is heightened by that car passing by the manners right next to a busy street so there's always a constant movement of traffic not only that but there's also the water theory how water is a source of energy for entities to feed off of and there is a spring that runs beneath bracket fern which could be the reason why mm-hmm there's huntings after successful session in the seller we headed towards the Tudor House for a thirty minute coffee break. It was much needed since it was a very very cold night. It was thirty eight degrees in Lake Arrowhead and it was still storming and foggy. I was able to sit down with one of the members of our group and constant O._C.. Ghosts and legends patron Selene and her family and we had a really interesting discussion it turns <music> out that selene and her family attracts a lot of entities and here's our interview with Selene okay guys so I'm sitting here with a family actually so I have <hes> monthly as elite Francisco and this is is your son over here so Terry and this is your sister. Oh so this is really cool that you guys participate pay in a paranormal ghost as a family started. You got them started <hes>. How long have you been participating with O._C.? Golsen legends we met them in what we met them twenty sixteen but we started last year here here at the Brechin firm. Oh Wow now. Did you experience a lot more than what you just experience now. No this is this is definitely in the most now I met you at David Omen Taus and and you felt a lot of things over there that it seems like it's like continuing over here. Are you very sensitive to the paranormal or had I mean have you seen apparitions or things is growing up I did when I was little back in Mexico. I swear I saw Ramona. Oh my God can you tell us about that. <hes> sure <hes> we were at the ranch with my aunt and she was getting water water from the well and <hes> I wondered off you know I think I was like four or five years old. I wondered off to were there used to be river going by so it was a river riverbank and as I was standing there I saw shadow big shadow like walking by and those little shadows behind it. Oh my God so <hes> when I saw it they were like floating like a doc along the river and when I saw them they like stopped and it's like they turn to look at me and I felt like they were calling me to to go with them. Yeah and I couldn't move. I was frozen fear and my aunt kept calling me. Let's go it's time to go and I was like Oh my God completely though so scared and she did she grabbed me you know by arm to get over here she. Somatic meals like hoping she didn't see anything but you did yeah she. She didn't see it but in that same ranch my grandma got slapped by a woman that came out of the uh-huh stole back then because she was crying and she source wow that's an intense earn all story <hes>. Can you walk us through what you experience. You had a very intense. It's experience in the jasmine room in I mean even you recounting the story. I mean I can hear your voice trembling. Can you Okkas what you experience yeah. I feel a little more asleep. So when we we were there I couldn't sit at the bed or just felt like it needed to sit in the floor and I did when I sat there. <hes> I felt like a Mike something next to me like <hes> presence and I feeling to see if it was my son that was there because he was a one closest. He was very far like not even with my arm stinted I could feel him so then all all of a sudden I turn and there's like a man shadow looking right at me like just tracy me scared me so I turned around and then I wanna see it but I could feel it in a could look at it from my <hes> corner is that it was it was still there to stay there looking at you mentioned that it was a sense of of intimidation or you just is looking at me like curious or wanting to go out or but he was holding his ground. How did you feel in that room? Feel like tense but <hes> morning that but have you ever felt like that anywhere else in like your past tours last time we on the Olma House I saw kind of like a phase late flashlight my her as they really relate really fast ball we are in the hallway we going into hallway a turnaround and so that Mike and Disappeared light in the link you had an intense experience there too but not at the Omen House to house next door rate. I initially felt something in the living area of the allman woman houses we were there and I just felt like I have to get out. I I couldn't breathe. We will there. <hes> I think Chris was filling it to is your son going into solitary. Sorry Guys Oh my God so to the Beth you guys have heard before that the are doing rounds of solitary confinement in highly active rooms and yours is one of them will my name up pick offers. It's time that we thought here the first time came here less last year and then this time he got picked. My name got picked again so I I gave it to him. Wins it ends. I just want to get you alone now. Yeah I'm building up to it. We got ruined the feeling the mice you could Masan he wants to go. We got like an ally. Yeah you can pick you know now now. Is your son also sensitive. Does he have the seem three boys when he was a little all of them. They have although speeds when they were little but then when he he was never been afraid since he was little he would always being the dark by himself and not afraid but then he kind of stopped seeing stuff like around six. I think clever six years old an offer forget yeah. Oh my goodness so he's been wanting to have another experience and this is why is he wanted to experiment here. Do you guys have fun on a you know taking these towards throw seacoast and legends always come out wanting to do more with them definitely more we the first time we came here if you didn't know we were saying the haunted hotel he said. When do we get to go to our hotel? How we're here? He was like what did you didn't tell me make well. That's the only way to get you hear. What rooms are? You guys staying in the hotel. What are their stories day see Dalia? <hes> are those highly highly active ones. They're highly active but they're in the second floor where there's a lot of activity <hes> the first time voice eight who was in the what is it the Ivy Room Yeah. We're there's been I guess <hes> something has happened with the little boy name Ryan. Yes and we couldn't sleep their first night no way or are you feeling you're just feeling anxiety or just just sense serve like where the heads could swear that the walls were were vibrating. Oh my gosh yeah so I I do few stuff. You know I've always felt stuff. I can always tell when there's something there like when we moved to a new house Zeno I could feel there's energy and so far we've been something here and I just discussion with Larry earlier about paranormal and the Latino community in in your opinion I mean how those two worlds meet like. I noted <hes> that they more we all Latinos we have more of the spins in Mexico everybody you know but here in America they're like they don't believe it you know. Do you feel that the Hispanic Latino communities are open to the paranormal. That's why you guys experienced so much because there's more more more like stories and legends stuff. That's happened over there and a lot of people go by you know they swear by and they believe in it and I think that's why there's there's more you know there's dwindles switches. There's <hes> your own <hes>. There's two proper to drive. No then what the dog that turns into woman. There's another one <hes> like aware wealth for people become become like an animal is a shape sifters or oh my gosh awhile it's it's it becomes into big black dog with red ice <music> only and that's really they. They really believe that you know we believe it over there. Exists and Wendy's plays with kids I had I had a what time I saw a wendy what that means yeah. It's like a little short person yeah yeah well. We where we lived was a team that is like a little neighborhood where there was only one restroom out like in the back and in the middle there was a wealth go out so I don't know why but I was there at nighttime night came out and it was sitting on the well telling me come hell yeah. He's like come come. I couldn't move. I once again lay KHURANA frozen. I stay there until my sister came and told me we'll be doing inside. Oh my God I think God you know yeah but yet we enjoyed it. <hes> that experience June ahead of the Omen House the next next next door to the Omen House yes yes the that was very <hes> Cypher like those GonNa pass out. Oh and I just felt I couldn't breathe. Yes those choking me me yeah and then <hes> remember walking into room experienced a sharp pain in my stomach and I don't know somebody said that there's I guess people report that stabbing pain uh-huh so that's what I felt yeah. You're not the only one we had a girl a month ago that felt that the pains in her chest and her stomach yeah so you're not the only one that's felt yet validated what I was feeling he. I heard that so I hadn't heard before he who they every house we live in. We had all the time experience would sleep in. You know just moving to this house. We I have liked almost three months. We'll have anything again spins by the House before this one <hes> we howlers funes make one time <hes> a wake-up in the middle of nine. I don't know what time and I guess we you know and trying to get you know to my arm on the premise you know once he's in a few some steps by my foot because these are would put on my mind says is a little boy. You know wow yeah when I sense that I feel a child. In my mind said doesn't shy of when I show they they avoid you can hear right away ghost this to my bed and and do on on the mattress like really fascinated with a hint I can hear nice to meet her on opened my goes so scared right stipe brain and soft and yes and sometimes a few like wake up the happiest when yes we cut you know he's wake up and thank you macos leak here ground like miss through my ear like thought something you know. It was like really scary really scary goodness. Would you consider your family haunted. You know I mean we don't we don't live in fear. We don't think about it. <hes> just I think we you know I know definitely my grandma. <hes> <hes> had experiences. My mom is intuitive so I feel like I got it from them and her four kids on the only one wow so really great yeah and then in it's just like my my moms the only one from their kids and you will learn from my mom's kids so somewhere somebody's GonNa Continue Yeah definitely intuitive. I feel people's energy tooth and you definitely feel a lot a lot of energy here but Lee good or bad interesting interesting energy neutral like I don't know like you know sometimes like I asked him. I can you feel like I literally will put my hand on the the war yeah. It feels like it's Oh wow and that's pretty intense and yeah win. DIXIES did that grounding. I really felt like all the vibration that was very like powerful because I had felt like when they're telling you to do this and freeze and become with earth yeah everybody else is your more sensitive incident yeah frizzy well. Thank you so much for participating in my view and happy goes hunting. It's like when we get awesome sleep. I'm sure you will thank you guys. According to Selene son he went to solitary confinement inside the pole house and came out with nothing he said it was actually pretty quiet as for the other gentlemen that went into solitary confinement in the jasmine room he told all of us afterwards that he couldn't even make a pass the front door it was as though someone or something telling him that he wasn't welcome there and his gut was telling him that it wasn't safe to go in that room at that time now for the best part. We ended up staying in the Tudor House to continue our investigation before entering the basement. I felt that this was the most active part of our investigation besides the Jasmine and also the seller here's where we picked up an M._v._p.. Of A woman laughing in the background of our session you'll hear Chris August talk however in the session we used another device. I was actually really excited. We're using the PO box which which was created by Mr Huff like the call him. It's advice that enhances M._V._p.. On a scale previously unheard of and the Portal Cleans Enhances isolates and in my opinion encourages e._d._p.. In comparison with the spirit box you see the spirit box has that choppy white noise sound that you normally here but with the portable box it eliminates it by running it through the portal and it just leaves the voices themselves so you just get the voices and not the static and it's the only way to get clear good voice box session and we definitely heard something that was not coming from that Puerto box but outside of it and we couldn't explain it here. It is surname we don't see. Can you show yourself around here. MM-HMM UH-HUH <MUSIC> <music> uh-huh yes I just heard takes just being moved else. What's your name correct? UH The comedy. If you guys are here Tuck turn now here's laughing again and when we're time for good measure both Chris and I heard it clear day. It was a woman in the background laughing. We believe that the laughter was coming from the restroom area but that part of the Tudor House that night was highly highly active. I was even seeing shadow figures on stage and according to Dixie they were there kind of mocking us so a ghost of the Tudor House in Bradford reconfirmed manner have personalities. I guess you can say we continued art. Investigation down in the basement in the basement was actually really creepy. You can actually see the actual prohibition bottles that the US back in that era to move the hooch and just F._y._i.. Wii Guys Know Demon. We didn't see or feel or get any scratches to my knowledge down in the basement. The basement was definitely definitely creepy. I must say but we made our way from the basement to the Pool House and that's where we made what we thought we made communication with the twelve year old boy or the newsy boy that mia been working for the mob back in the day it was a great way to end our investigation that pole house and then we made our way back to the Tudor House did you accu- A to share experiences in a lot of people had a lot of experiences wrapped everything up around to fifteen and then I finally got a chance to sit with Chris August for our postmortem this mortem so here's our interview with Chris August all right guy so we're doing a postmortem with Chris. August who is the head Honcho of O._C.. Goes and legends and it's about two thirty just wrapped up with our final notes in what we all discovered at Bracken fern compared to your first night here late was a very active night <hes> or winning your most never disappoints whenever leave here disappointed. It's never happened some. I mean we were always leaving here with stuff happening but it was it was I would have trying to. I can't really rate it. There was experiences everywhere and even though certain group may not have had the same experiences as another group there were experiences different places none the less and some were somewhere so we're never let down simply true Anthony One of your investigators mentioned that someone always walks out of reconfirmed with the experience agreeance I for myself say that one hundred percent <hes> so what did you feel tonight appeared to other nights. It sounds like for me tonight. I was heavy on disembodied body voices being in the seller. The laughter of with Abu Bear was not in the here in the Tudor House. I I was so excited and maybe not everybody agrees with me but we caught it and you've you caught it on audio and I hope you don't lose that. No I emailed to ice. Did you really are we yeah Clinton. Every I WANNA like enhance this out and everything is this could buy. Yes I mean that was I was pumped for that. I'm seriously exciting you. I don't know you heard my excitement. More excited that we caught it I was there. Are those moments where I know what I heard confident about it. I'm not convinced that came from the portal night. I I mean again. I'm going to analyze it and it's like you're going to dissect it as well. I'm not convinced that came from the portal. I heard it from the opposite side of the room over here on this wall but that's just my opinion <hes> it's okay not everybody has to agree with me and and I'm GonNa take it for what it was. I heard it. It was a child in man I I'm. I'm still kind of high about that. I it's not often that stuff happens in when you hear it in real time and then it translates on the audio that's best case scenario right. We got it and I mean that was something that you can someone try to debunk or now like because we had other people that hurt it do and I mean that's another form of allegation and we're going to be able to once. We dissect it. Sometimes things sound a lot better in the moment and then you listen back when you're kind of more. You're just you're relaxed. You're you've reflected on the night a week later right two weeks later you reflecting you're like well. You know what <hes> maybe that's not or your you validate like Yep I stand by. That's I note that no question about it and I'm hoping that sit. That's GonNa be my reaction when I listened to it. I like to sit on it. Saw All saul still be on a high for me when I get home be pumped about all this new it over and over and and just get really excited again. Relive the moment and then I'll let it sit for weeks. Talk to me about the Jasmine Room. A lot of people had a lot of interesting feels and experiences in that room and I know that you had a very intense experience your first time right. Oh yeah it was it was a pretty I don't Wanna I mean it sounds dramatic by saying it was life altering because but when I say altering meeting it was in my career in this field it was something that really confused me and at the moment it was so foreign of an experienced that I didn't didn't know what to do with it and walking into that room and having just that feeling of anxiety and I needed to get out I've never walked out of an investigation and I haven't since there are things that startled me but I've never left and in video which we have on you to you can view it. Anybody can look at it where we have the actual d._v._R.. Footage of I'm put my foot down. I'm going upstairs and saying hey you can't mess my friends. I was really confident and I didn't feel threatened. I'm like this is silly. Come on see this. Whatever happened made another investigator cry? I as a friend said this is awful. I mean you can't do that. If there was a spare you you're not allowed to do that. So come on you got some say you come through me. Yeah I bolted title. Find that video guys and put it on Instagram I mean but you had a gentleman here who was picked for the solitaire in that room and he couldn't even sit in that room. He had to stand out by the door. Yeah sorry to back was hurting yeah. The <music> are solitary guy he he didn't even walk in the door and that's never I mean we don't really get generally. We have a lot of women can pick up on whatever's going on in Jasmine but this guy was he. I guess he was told to respect that. I'm not wanted to hear right and they whoever was in there. We can call them Ralph but said look POW. You're not coming in here and that's the way it's going to be wow and this guy said I respected and I did not. I didn't walk through that threshold. I did not cross that barrier. Is that the theme of tonight you think was respect. I I can't I. I didn't necessarily experienced anything profound in jasmine tonight but other people did doesn't mean because I didn't experience. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. So what what I think the theme was this at intimidation intimidation. Was the theme Jasmine tonight like they're being not not prevent what I'm looking for now. They were being stared down by bullying. It's you know sense of yeah of superiority like we run this house. We run this. You're going to have to like a by by our roles kind of thing. Your just you know one of our guests had the feeling that they were being something was sitting next to them and disturb him. Yes filiing heard. Her interview reported good. She told that okay I mean you could hear it in her voice when she I was explaining it in that room to us like she had a hard time like communicating what she saw it was very intense like she sat on the bed next to me and then she had to sit down on the floor and boom it happened yeah absolutely and and in the theme with her somebody else that's spoke about it that it was like something was kind of you know sitting right next to him and kind of like what their head tilted. What are you going to do their like looking right? Act You right and do I scare you know it was it was kind of looks there right into your eyes and I'm just going to do I do. I intimidate you so that seemed to be a theme yeah in Jasmine tonight whoever's up there be at Ralph. Be It something else that we cannot identify something's going on in that room and there'd be people who will go and sleep in that room and they're totally fine like I had the great asleep ever understand understand than people who don't know about its activity. We have no knowledge of the manner being haunted just normal people who go and granted the manners not books anymore as individual rooms. I used to be now. It's entirely different book out the whole place but when it was an individual a place where you can rent individual rooms plenty of people did not know about it and people have notified management's to sit there. I don't like that room. I don't know what was it wasn't a matter of the quality of the hotel it was I just didn't like that room and they would leave in the middle of the night now leaving the midnight so insane absolutely oh my God so the legend of Ralph lives on lives on that is something that you can say is like is credible. Is that legend right there and that's assuming it's Ralph Mogollon with Ralph because we don't until we have a better way of identifying who or what it is is what it is I mean we if we could properly identify whoever's in there we would love to write what is the next O._C.. Ghost and legends next lockdown down when is going to happen man. We got some exciting things coming. We will be back at the Omen House. We're coming back for two dates. In July people spoke and they loved did wonderful of course we had a great time so we're looking forward to heading back over there and having another powwow at the moment house and see what else we get. We're hoping if everything goes as we want ought to this year we're going to have another new venue announcement. That top secret top secret right now actually most of over doing is undercover top secret. We can't disclose because we're also when we're out there were investigating instigating in hopes of finding an ideal gem location that we can bring people to and the Bracken verners one of them. We had to keep that under wraps for a little bit and four years later it's our biggest smash venue and people keep coming back and whether they experienced anything or not. There's something about the place that people connect with yes. They don't even have to have anything profound happen to them on a paranormal level. There's just a connection about like there's something about this place and they just love the whole experience that they four years later. It's almost like a family reunion. It is true true and her family back for the second time so that's pretty amazing collecting new memories so do you as a closer. Do you think you had a very successful night. Then I think we did and again I think everyone came out of here. Having experienced something or they learn something right and or even just appreciating the history of the place and we're GONNA keep coming back here as long as you're welcome back here and as long as we office kind to us and you buy as rules you'll be fine. Perhaps some of the ladies of the manner were making their presence known tonight and yeah it was a successful night it was everyone seemed happy and but very sleepy heads tonight everyone rate for all Karol then no pun intended bad fun Chris Style well. Thank you so much Chris for everything in having Hollywood paranormal you're at Brechin fern man or this was an amazing night. Thank you for coming no problem. I can't wait to put this episode together. Excited thank you so we all had a very successful investigation and locked down at the Bracken fern manner we collected that'd a lot of wonderful V._p.'s. We felt a lot of things that we couldn't explain and saw things that we couldn't explain but we all had that validation. We all witnessed it and I highly think that there's something something there at Brock confirmed manner and definitely makes his presence known and it's not just brackenfield manner. It's like Arrowhead the environment the water the Earth the energy everything it is definitely only a unique place rich mysticism mystery. I ended up having to spend the night at Bradford manner because the storm and the fog was so bad. I couldn't see the road ahead of me. There's eighteen miles of mountain road before you hit the interstate to go back to L._A.. And there is no way that I was able to make that commute so fortunately behead an empty room available and thankfully it wasn't the jasmine room it was the fern room or the honeymoon aiming sweet and actually had a good night's rest. Maybe it's because I ground in myself and told whatever was around me to let me sleep and if they understood to please make a tap on window and door sure enough are heard light little tap on the door and I had a good night's rest. We wanted to take the time to say thank you to everyone that's part of O._C.. Ghost and legends especially Chris August. Thank you so much for allowing Hollywood paranormal to lock down with you guys at the Bracken for manner if you want to know more information and future lockdown events with Oh seacoast and legends which I highly recommend head on over to their website at W._w._w.. Dot O._C.. GOLSEN LEGENDS DOT COM you want to summon them or stock them. You can find the on facebook twitter and Instagram at O. Seacoast and legends. If you love Holly Weird Paranormal we love for you to subscribe rate and give us a review on itunes. It really helps us out a lot and it helps us become a little more visible. 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"Live from NPR news I'm Nora Raum a crowd gathered outside the supreme. Court in Washington DC Friday night to mourn the loss of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg who died Friday at the age of eighty seven from member station W. Amu Jenny Beth reports new Rica Murphy was on a walk nearby when she got a text from her family that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died she says. She was one of the first people to come to the Supreme Court to reflect on the news. Then the crowd swelled to hundreds Murphy says she thinks it's important that people showed up as a visual reminder of their support for women's reproductive rights and other ideals Ginsburg stood for or not going anywhere regardless of who is placed in her in her spa and who is elected that. We're not gonNA move backwards tonight into fifty s many in the crowd say they are bracing themselves for the political battle over Ginsburg successor on the bench for NPR news I'm Jenny gas right in Washington before her death Ginsburg dictated a statement to her granddaughter that her most fervent wish was that she would not be replaced until a new president is installed Senate. Majority leader Mitch McConnell says the Senate will vote on a successor Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden says the Senate should not vote on replacement before November third. Let me be clear. Voters should pick president. And the president should pick the justice. For the Senate to consider. This was the position of Republican Senate took in two thousand sixteen. When they were almost ten months to go before the election Biden spoke with reporters after a campaign trip to Minnesota Friday president trump also campaigned in Minnesota Friday after a rally he told reporters that Ginsburg, an amazing woman. He did not indicate how he plans to move forward Supreme Court nomination. The US military says it has sent additional troops to northeastern Syria after several recent confrontations with Russian forces. In the country, NPR's Greg, my reports, the US has also sent in more armored vehicles, an increase, the number of air patrols in a statement announcing the move the Pentagon did not say how many additional troops have been deployed, but the Associated Press citing a US official put the figure at fewer than. One hundred US already had several hundred troops in northeast Syria U forces were sent to Syria five years ago to battle the Islamic state which has largely been defeated but in recent weeks Russian forces backing the Syrian government have taken a number of provocative actions against the Americans last month, a Russian vehicle rammed into a US military vehicle in four. US. Troops suffered concussions, gregory NPR news Washington. This is NPR news. Israel has gone back into a full lockdown to deal with a spike in corona virus infections. It began Friday and his to last three weeks. Many businesses are closed and there are strict limits on public gatherings in new. York City Broadway has been shut down since mid-march but on Friday a bit of political theater was staged in the middle of Times Square New York senator and members of the Broadway community gathered in support of legislation to help the Arts Jeff London reports in front of the steps of the tickets booth theater producers, actors, members of Broadway's craft unions. They were all wearing masks that said save our stages soon by theater costume shops. Senator Chuck Schumer explained what the bill would do. It provides ten billion dollars for grants for the next six months to our live venues to our stages. The bipartisan bill which gives grants of up to twelve million dollars would help not just Broadway but theaters, music venues and comedy clubs across the country to pay their workers, paid their rents and stay afloat. Schumer said the. Bill would be part of the Heroes Act for NPR news I'm Jeff London in New York the US Forest Service reported Friday a firefighter has died from injuries sustained in a fire in the San Bernardino, national, forest east of Los Angeles the blaze began two weeks ago at a gender reveal party the death raises to at least thirty five the number of deaths after dozens of fires raging across the western us. In recent weeks, I'm Nora Raum NPR news.

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The Stuff of Nightmares

Seven: Disturbing Chronicle Stories of Scary, Paranormal & Horror Tales

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The Stuff of Nightmares

"Okay. So you're between meals and you're craving something. Sweet right. What I do is snack on blue diamond honey roasted almonds they're so good and almonds are a superfood. So don't deny your cravings. Blue Diamond. Crave victoriously. Your host K town you're listening to seven. True Crime Murder Intervenes installers. Where your worst nightmares are realized? For many people, the Wilderness represents paradise since it provides an opportunity to get away from the rigors of everyday life and experience nature. This is why millions of people take trips into the wilderness every year in order to participate in activities such as hiking, hunting and camping. However, the wilderness can be a very creepy and ominous place. If something goes horribly wrong new are a long way off from civilization and it may be impossible to seek help. It's very easy for a person to disappear into the Wilderness and never be seen again in most cases, the likely explanation is that they simply got lost and succumb to the elements, but some trips into the Wilderness are sprouted incomplete. Other. Mystery here are some of those cases. The disappearance of Keith Reinhart. In Nineteen Ninety, eight, forty, nine, year old Keith. Reiner was a sports writer for the daily Herald in Chicago. But he decided to take a leave of absence for unique outing. He moved to Silver Plum Colorado a small mining village near the Rocky Mountains Reiner became fascinated by the story of Tom Young a silver plum resident who disappeared under mysterious circumstances the year before on September seventh nineteen, eighty-seven young closed his bookstore and walked into the mountains with his dog. But never returned Reiner decided to open an antique shop in the former location of young's bookstore and started working on a novel based on young disappearance in an eerie coincidence Keith Reinhart soon, became the center of his own unsolved mystery on. July thirty first, the remains of Tom Young and his dog were found in the mountains. They were both shot in the head, and since revolver was found at the scene investigators ruled that young likely shot his dog before committing suicide one week later, Reiner closed up his job and told people he was planning to climb the summit of Pendleton Mountain after leaving the village he was never seen again the circumstances behind Reiner's disappearance was strange since it was a six hour hike to Pendleton Mountain and he did not leave until four thirty PM at the time. Reina was not carrying any equipment and was dressed appropriately for a mountain climb a search of the area turned up no trace of him and. One of the searchers was killed after crashing his plane. There was some speculation that Ryan up staged his own disappearance. Others believed that both liner and Yang were victims of foul play and that their cases were somehow connected whatever the truth Keith Reiner's disappearance remains unsolved next, we have the accident from cline falls state. Park. In nineteen seventy, seven terry dentists in Abra Goldman a pair. Of undergraduates from Yale decided to spend the summer going on across country bicycling trip on July. The twenty second they stopped at cline falls state park in a remote area of organ camp for the night. However, both women were suddenly awakened by a pickup truck which came barreling into the camp side and crashed right into their tent. The two women initially assumed this was an accident. They were shocked to see a man in a cowboy hat emerged from the truck with an axe. He used his weapon to attack Jin Tez and Goldman. Before climbing back into his truck and driving away both women were seriously wounded but still alive Jon has managed to stumble to a nearby road and flagged down a passing car for help after a teenage couple stopped and went to the campsite. They saw the lights. Of another vehicle approaching them, it came to a brief stop before turning around and driving away they suspected that the pickup truck driver had returned to finish the job buddy of fled the scene after seeing other people there jen tasr and Goldman were both taken to the hospital and both women wound up surviving the horrific attack. The investigation eventually uncovered a suspect named Dick Damn who was a known violent offender in the community. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five while being detained for another crime dam was questioned about the cline falls state park attack and given to polygraph test. He showed signs of deception but the results were inconclusive since he had illegal drugs in his system and there was no evidence to link him to the crime. Even if the acts man is identified some day, he can not be prosecuted since Oregon's statue of limitations. For unsuccessful murder attempts has since run out next, we have the disappearance of Derek Ing Burston on December Fifth Nineteen. Ninety eight Derek Ingram exton an eight-year-old boy from Bonanza Oregon went on a trip to win a May national forest alongside his father and his grandfather. The family was planning to get a Christmas tree while hiking near rocky point a snowstorm soon hit the area and Derek wandered away in disappeared when Derek's family. Notified, the authorities a search was conducted for him, but they were undermined by the terrible weather. Searchers found some blood in the area along with items which may have been connected to Derek including a candle rapper and a bookmark from school. They also found a makeshift shelter made out of for Bonk's while the likely explanation seems to be the Derek have frozen to death in the wilderness there was evidence to suggest that. He might have been abducted instead a set of footprints leads Gers to the road where the imprint of a snow angel was found around the time of Derek's disappearance. A witness saw an unidentified man struggling with a young boy near the road in two thousand and two inmate came forward to claim that a convicted child rapist named Frank Milligan bragged about murdering Derek years earlier militant received a thirty six year prison sentence for. The rape and attempted murder of ten year old boy and for sexually abusing another boy when question Milligan told authorities that Derek had made it out of the woods and that he murdered the boy after picking him up by the Rhode Mellon said that he would lead them to Derek's body. But after a search of the area turned up nothing, he decided to recant his confession officially, there is no evidence to connect Milligan. And Derek Engelberg 's disappearance remains unsolved. Next, we have the disappearance of James Herod during the Eighteenth Century James Herod was one of America's most notable explores he founded the very first settlement in Kentucky, which became known as Harrisburg in Seventeen Ninety two the same year Kentucky officially became a state haired was living in Harrisburg with his wife and daughter he decided to go into the wilderness on a hunting trip with to compete. Hair at never returned, and there were numerous theories about what happened to him. Some believed that Herod deliberately abandoned his family and traveled to another part of the country. There were unconfirmed rumors that heritage wife was often flirtatious with other men and may have had an extramarital affair while Mrs Herod got remarried after his disappearance she managed to get a divorce in nineteen. Oh, four on the grounds that she believed her husband was still alive. However, Mrs. Herod, had only used that as an excuse to get a divorce in actuality she believed her husband was murdered by one of his companions. The real purpose for his trip was not to go hunting but he Wanted to find a silver mine for a mysterious man only known as bridges. The third man who accompanied Herod and Bridges on the trick claimed the Herod disappeared after Bridges told him he was attacked by native Americans but the man never actually witnessed anything to support bridges story. Later on bridges was seen pawing off some silver buttons which matched the buttons. Herod had on his shirt shortly thereafter, heritz friend found a skeleton in a cave wearing a shirt with the buttons missing in the end the skeletal remains were left behind and never identified as Herod, and bridges disappeared before he could be questioned the truth about what happened to James Herod still remains. Unknown. Next up, we have the disappearance of jared nicorette on July nineteenth nineteen ninety-one. Jared Gret a twelve year old boy from elmont California traveled to a camp inside San, Bernardino National Forest. He was going for an overnight trip with his boy scout troop and then planning to hike up the mountain the next day the truth neared the top of the summit Jarrett wandered away and disappeared after apparently strain onto the wrong trail when the troop discovered that Jerry was missing an extensive search was conducted of the area by rescue teams they found matching shoeprints and some items which. Belonged to jared including his backpack, beef Jerky and candy wrappers and of these closed, they cannot find a trace of jared anywhere. This story were probably be as straightforward and tragic case of a born succumbing to the elements after getting lost in the wilderness but Jarrett managed to leave behind one very haunting image. Jared's camera was also found in the woods and it's film contained twelve recent photographs which were eventually developed. Most of the pitchers were landscape shots which were taken before he disappeared. But the last photo was a self portrait which jared had taken himself since jared. Too Short to hold the camera out that far the photo only wound up during his eyes and his nose it seemed very clear that jared look scared and that the mysterious pitcher was taken after he went missing this self portrait of Jarrett Nicorette remains the only last. Trace of him in last, we have the disappearance of Jillian Marie Williams and Laurie winans Omay Nineteenth Nineteen ninety-six a young lesbian couple traveled to Shenandoah National Park in Virginia for a hiking trip, the two women brought along their pet golden retriever nearly two weeks later after neither of the women's families had heard from them the authorities were notified when Park Rangers launched a search on June first they. Came upon a campsite and discover that Williams and winans had been brutally murdered both women were bound and gagged before their throats were slit winans. Golden retriever was also found wandering around the area unharmed given the women's sexual orientation and the brutal and calculated nature of the murders. Authorities wondered if they were victims of a hate crime in two thousand and two an incarcerated man named David Daryl Rice. was charged with murdering both women along with two counts of committing a hate crime rice was already serving an eleven year sentence for attacking another woman in Shenandoah National Park in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, and was known for expressing his hatred toward women and homosexuals. It was believed that he deliberately targeted the women because of their sexual orientation two years later, the charge against Rice was dropped. Once it was determined that DNA and hair samples from the crime scene did not match him. However, suspicion eventually turned to a serial killer named Richard Avantis in June two thousand to avant. This was about to be arrested for unrelated crime but shot himself when police tracked him down forensic evidence eventually linked avant as to the unsolved murders of three teenage girls from the mid nineteen, ninety s since these. Also. Occurred in Virginia around the same time as William and winans were murdered avant as is considered a suspect but thus far nothing has connected him to this crime. Then they're murders remain unsolved. Thank you for listening to this edition of Seven. Make sure you subscribe on Apple podcast. So you never miss an episode I'm your host K Tom and I'll see you next time. On seven. Okay. So you're between meals and you're craving something. Sweet right what I do snack on blue diamond honey roasted almonds they're so good and almonds they're a superfood. So don't deny your cravings eat them blue diamond almonds crave victoriously. Introducing touch free payments from pay pal a safe way for your customers to pay whether you're a market seller. 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A Bit of Skull

Armstrong & Getty

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A Bit of Skull

"Mr Vice President. I look out over my Biden sign in my front yard and I see a sea of trump flags and yard signs. Is that a question from Joe Biden during the town hall. Does nobody have any insouciance awesome for you? Lead up to a different question, I was going to lay out just the things we've been talking about today for long he Chen we've talked about Biden softball. Press conferences in town halls versus trump getting grilled. Does that matter the the trumps flat delivery of a really good message yesterday and then I thought A. Grievance Laden rally last night with non-aligned with not enough reason to vote for mentors a lot of stuff out there. Well, let's join lawn. He Jen for the discussion on he is the David Diane Steffi Fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution and joins us now how are you sir? I'm fine great to be with you. Thank you so I. Don't know if you've had a chance to observe the president lately, but he seems a little tired. Well I here. Here's what I think. The president has a a certain comfort zone he likes to operate in and he likes the environment where he can just get out there and let her rip time whatever he wants to talk about, and the question is how that modus operandi works with the closing weeks of a campaign and I think one of the things that made him effective in twenty sixteen at the end was his ability to focus on message and to just get out there and relentlessly deliver it, and generally speaking candidates is successful when they can do that. Right now, the presence not there yet and I think until he can get there and I think he probably will get there. The question is when I do think some of these rallies and some of these events end up doing more harm than good and that's something that they're going to have to confront. I only took in fifteen minutes of last night. So you know it's anecdotal evidence but. Instead of you know, we're going to build a wall and nobody thought he was actually going to build the wall Mexico's GonNa, pay for it. But here's somebody that finally gives a crap about illegal immigration Yay I'm GonNa bring jobs back that sorta stuff reasons vote for God. He was going on it was a perfect phone call. You're talking about the Ukraine phone call my. Wow. Meanwhile they're and saw softballs Joe Biden. You catch any the town hall last night. yeah I mean, it was a big wet kiss right and I, think it it. It shouldn't be surprising because we have seen now over and over again, the media does treat the two people differently treats trump and biden differently. and you know you guys asked the question do I think it's going to make a difference and the answer is I don't I don't think it's going to make a difference because I think people have already weighed these issues in their lives. They get the media likes Joe Biden one life's Donald Trump they understand that you know as a result, the to are going to. Be Treated differently I'm not sure it affects how people view them though I I think if you I said this a lot before which is at this point in Donald Trump's presidency you figured out how you feel about Donald Trump probably still have I mean you still have questions about, Hey, what I think Donald Trump you must have been living on another planet for the last couple. Of Years. So this stuff that's out there you know the Woodward Book and the media's treatment of them and all of the noise you know most Americans I think have tuned it out and I think they've figured out you know look this is what I think Donald Trump and by the way just because you don't like him doesn't mean you're not going to vote and I. Think that's an important factor to consider as well. We were talking earlier. We think the best you know for people who like some trump stuff, but he bothers him so much. They just can't vote for him. Then looked trumpers is a buddy of mine text that getting the Sixteen nineteen project out of the schools and ending critical race theory training and government agencies that could be huge. Well it is because people sort of say listen I'm you know I think a lot of Americans would say that say what say look I'm all for a society that got people that look different from me and sound different from me. That's fine. But I don't want to be told that the history of my country is so foul and so odious that I can't learn about it. I don't WanNa. Be told that everything America's done is wrong I don't WanNA. Be told that you know everything that I've done as a non you know non minority non person of color non whatever is wrong and I think people just say look I don't want that's not the environment I want to be in and so there are commonsense things that the president does common sense things that people do when they say look. You know you you're right. Not all that is wrong and we and there are things about our history and our culture that we should learn. We should understand times when things went badly we also understand that there are a heck of a lot of times in our history when things went well, and and that's something that everybody in every child should learn in this country will write the the. Idea of having wonderful ideals and sometimes falling short of them is not an ugly story. I mean, it's it's it's it's worth telling but again, it's an and the left. He media is trying to give you an inverse description of what's happening here that he's trying to eliminate any teaching of America's sins. The problem is, and just as a personal note lawn, he judging by our listeners. And we hear from them by the hundreds and hundreds every day this the far left indoctrination from kindergarten through Grad school is a huge issue among real people and I credit the trump administration for having their ear to the ground enough to realize it I think the New York Times and an NPR there. So snide anytime they make reference it's a conspiracy theory but I'm telling you it's big in the hinterlands. Well. Here's the problem the people that are reporters for these outlets, the people who are opinion writers for the most part for these outlets, they are far to the left of even many Democrats. In this country, they make up a disproportionate percentage of you know these sort of relatively far to the left progressive folks and and they're in very influential positions, and so I think when most Americans look at that they say you. Know. That doesn't really sound like what you know what I think is right just at a gut level people don't think that what they're reading what they're seeing. Sound, right. So this disconnect between mainstream media and many Americans that that's going to be a huge problem going forward. This is not a not a campaign problem it's not a political problem. It goes to the breakdown of our institutions and the media is one of them. I think outside of a major event occurring you know something international or whatever I don't see what's going to change the trajectory of the election except for that first debate particularly, if Joe Biden is on the debate stage with the world watching and says something like he said, last night that all two hundred thousand people would still be alive if trump had done his job in Washington. Post even says Biden is making this up How would that affect things? I mean. That's an extraordinary thing to say how about the fact that Anderson Cooper didn't even follow up on that Yeah I mean I think this first debate is going to be interesting to watch because you're gonNA see the ultimate prevent defense In Joe Biden Strategy I mean really his job is to get up there and to not screw things up. I mean the many bland things he can say and I think it'll be totally fine but you're right. I think where where the Biden campaign is concerned in all likelihood is concerned he's going to get up there and he's GonNa say something or say a few things that will really demonstrate kind of either that he's locked few steps for that that you know he just has positions that are fundamentally out of step with most Americans and I think that's the worry for the Biden campaign you know the the the trump team they they kinda feel like look people are used to the freewheeling style, the president, he's not GonNa say. Things carefully. He's going to get up there and say, what are you going to say and so I think they feel it's relatively low risk which is why you hear the president saying, let's let's debate more but but the team I think they're they're playing prevent and they really do not want people to to hear or see some of the things that Joe. Biden could say or they could now the question was asked to Joe Biden on new green deal or the green new deal. Sorry. Do you think it's too much Anderson Cooper said no, I don't said Vice President by no follow up it's gonNa cost sixty trillion dollars. We're GONNA stop driving cars with gas it within ten years for that. Yeah and it's going to require every single building to be retrofitted and change I mean even ones that are historic and go back many many centuries I mean it's the green new deal is crazy. It is and this is the point that I've started to make I looking. At Joe Biden's policy plans. Recently, he would be the most liberal president in modern history if he won his ideas are far. More progressive than any candidate since McGovern, his budget by the way is double. What Hillary Clinton proposed in two thousand sixteen. Just just think about that for a minute five trillion dollars in new spending double. What Hillary Clinton proposed his tax increases are GONNA hit every American household. This is not some moderate guy. I? mean. If he if he's elected president, he's going to be an extreme liberal and I think. That's just something people need to come to terms with they might be okay with that. They might say look I'm willing to have that over the chaos of trump I'll vote for by doesn't matter but people need to go into this election is wide open understanding. What the alternatives are I think that's a very important thing my final question for lawn, Jenna, the Hoover Institution Given the near certainty that there will be chaos and confusion during voting month as mail in ballots are counted and rejected in the rest of it How do you like the idea of some sort of bipartisan commission getting to work like today by noon on standards and messaging and bipartisan statements of Solidarity? That sort of thing let's see being preemptive about dealing with the chaos. I would love that I think that'd be a great idea to get respected. You know respecting Republican respected Democrats get people together and and and help us make our way through this best. We cannot have this be a partisan process regardless of how you feel who you're going to vote for all really want this election to be fairly decided and we want to have confidence in the outcome of the election and the direction we're headed and I really worry about because that's not the direction we're headed in and bringing this back to de politicize it as much as possible. I I think that'd be great. So I I'd be all for it. I don't think it's going to happen really. Dan Coats, op it in the New York. Times yesterday. I don't know if you read it but he said Joe Biden or Donald Trump or not a death blow to the country but losing faith in our elections could be yeah that's good stuff. Yeah. Well, let's keep an eye on this one going forward line he Chen Dave and Diane stiffy fellow in American Public Policy Studies Hoover Institution Lawn. He thanks so much for the time. Good to talk to you. got. Oh boy yeah I worry way more about that. the post election day chaos hatred angst. Conspiracy theories Russian propaganda. Roles and bots and and the rest of it, not to mention Nancy Pelosi and Donald J saying irresponsible things I. I'm more worried about that than about anything. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. I don't mean to freak you out everybody. He van Morrison is very old. He's got some new songs out and he's anti covid nineteen lockdown. Really who knew the Little Irishman had an opinion on this at all but he does and he's a strong one now among other things on the way. And getting. We need a van Morrison Song. We said no brown eyed girls not that that's not a great song just. Make something different perverted. CAPS cover of it's really good to. Talking I want to hear this. When you? Get drunk old drunk Irishman on the mind or what to do. I love the course last. Protein bar. Take it. Early Van Morrison is no fan of the lockdown measures in the UK. Cove nineteen lockdown is very republican closed. These songs recorded recently in Northern Ireland and England are a condemnation of the UK government scientists. Here's some lyrics no more lockdown no more government overreach normal fascist bullies disturbing our piece he sings on no more lockdown. Wow. He continues no more the song no more lockdown lockdown WanNa knows for me. Is Not that artistic that song about the wild ninety had what's that called? Wild night Here's my song about taxes being high. It's a metaphor. The title is called. The taxes are too high. Let's see continues no more taking of our freedom and our God. Given rights pretending it's for our safety when it's really to enslave. Scott, a little bit of the sound of old guy who sits there watching Fox News all day. Yeah but with a great group. An unbelievable phrasing should hear the riff. The lyrics also blast scientists making up crooked facts. That's a quote and quote celebrities telling us what we're supposed to feel Yup I get that one too Another track as I walked out references a Mark Statement on the UK Government's website stating cove in nineteen is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious. Disease. Bob. He's an activist where to go van. Here's a dumb story for you. It's kind of politics, but mostly not now it's it is what it is. Somebody who who's comparing the media's treatment of Kamala Harris his shoes. To Malania trump's choices of footwear. Well, when you said this is stupid you did not lie to us. But it's kind of funny particularly. They both were exactly the same shoes. A couple of years apart. Except, for the headline for Kamla Harris was. Commonly Harris may have made timberland boots. Cool again. When she showed up to a a wildfire site wearing timberland boots, Melania trump or exactly the same boots when she was visiting the troops in a war zone. Melania trump being mocked for wearing timberland boots while visiting troops. These are New, York Times Stories there's shock. Wow isn't that a larry? Oh Yeah, that is there's more USA Today's headline on Harris Read Tim's Converse Kamala Harris Sports boots after wearing chuck Taylor. All Stars talking about how she's got cool footwear and then Melania trump work boots with white jeans Milania. Trump's outfit still missing the mark. Wow, it's just that's it's stupid but it's just. Really. Really want you writing an article about the somebody's footwear anyway. But the fact that you're so influenced by your politics, right? You take a different view what shoes they're wearing celerion. Orange guy reelected. Oh boy yeah. No it. Oh. Speaking of visiting fire zones man I just read this I had not. I'd there too many fires but the Eldorado fire in the San Bernardino National Forest a firefighter died battling it. It was sparked by a gender reveal party. So now firefighters died over one of these freaking gender to reveal things please do not use gender language to to A. Child's gender took we gotTA stop inviting US Kennedy's gender reveals I. Appreciate People are excited having a baby and want people know it's a boy or girl. That's nice. It's really nice but stop exploding things. During a high fire danger period. The middle part of that clip is what I like play that again, please do not use gender language to to address everyone to. To. To. Can't go on well when he was in response was that the National Socialist, party or ever getting together and He was responding to a guy saying you guys. It's very distracting when you're talking you guys. So please stop. Hope, who'll he's top music juddered language and then I'm sure we do not use gender language to. Address everyone boy that's your issue plus don't say everyone the word everyone was used by slaveholders. How much time we got Michael. Darn it because we got guests the sound coming up, we've got to work that exciting new feature at. Some of the president's speech announcing trying to end far left indoctrination in America's schools. Yes please. Yeah. This is story about what they've been teaching our kids for us for decades in the school system and why we let them get away with it. I have no idea. Armstrong and getty. The Armstrong and getty show. Left Wing Cultural Revolution is designed to. Overthrow the American revolution. As. Many of you testify today the left wing riding and mayhem. Are the direct result of decades of left wing and Dr. Nation in our schools it's gone on far too long. Our children are instructed from propaganda tracks. Like those of Howard Zinn. That tried to make students ashamed of their own history. You know it struck me and listen to that yesterday how flat it was how tired he sounded, but now listen back to it. I wonder if it's because it is so echoey. There in the National Archives I. Mean. There's an amazing amount of refurbished natural river there that I wonder if he's just keeping his voice down. Anyway. The president yesterday speaking about left wing indoctrination and our nation's schools. which the Nakedly Progressive Radio idiotically said and some parents are now starting to echo the president's verbiage. Well, you know what they're fools. This may be the number one issue we hear about from our listeners. Yeah it's huge for me. Yeah. the president focused much of his speech on his claims of the new. York Times at American schools have become infected with revisionist ideas about the nation's founding in history gay claims that because it's true and Mr Trump said that left-wing writing and mayhem or their direct result of decades of left-wing indoctrination, our schools he also said that because it's completely true. Yeah. That's probably why he said that how did we as a society allow the Howard Zinn teaching of history? I. Mean Way Out of the mainstream. Yeah. Not just like left of center left of eighty percent of the country. I think either complete unawareness or. Or? Fully worth it for me I think it was What are you going to do? which is stupid but mccafe's pair we're paying for these schools right and you feel it more acutely now that your kids are being targeted to but the other thing is and listen I'm. I'm an honest man I'm a sincere man. Some of the things we should have learned in school were probably downplayed a little bit a more balanced nuanced view of our history, not white washed term I hate given the racial tone of our times but. I could see a little more. So the honest view of history there was an over correction. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly and people heard that yeah. Well, we're starting to talk about how you know some of the Indian treaties for instance, the US government violated its own treaties. We're learning. That's legit. But so because of that color guilt if you want or call it sincere belief that, hey, let's be a little more full. Let's be a little more of a three sixty degrees about our history It was a huge over-correction and people didn't understand how extreme it'd gotten but I want to hear more with the president had to say gives clip thirty, four there, Sean, would you the left his warped distorted? And defile the American story. With deceptions, falsehoods and lies. There's no better example than the New York Times. Totally discredited sixteen nineteen project. This project rewrites American history to teach our children. That we were founded on the principle of oppression not freedom. Nothing could be further from the truth America's founding. Set in motion the unstoppable chain of events that abolished slavery. Secured. Civil Rights defeated Communism, and fascism. And built the most fair equal and prosperous nation in human history. I'm for the truth what what's was the ultimate harm that came out of my education that probably downplayed how poorly treated the Indians for instance, what was the downside I haven't gone onto you know abuse native Americans. Or? I'm not soft on slavery because it wasn't emphasized if you if you have too much the other direction, you end up with a patriotic country that holds together. which is what every country in the history of the world has done. If you go too far the other direction, your country comes completely a parking note part no longer exists violently. So. What's the upside? I don't think it's neither or I mean if you want to teach about slavery the Jim Crow Era, which is horrible. The early twentieth. Century the racism was just disgusting. You want to teach that stuff go right ahead but don't, and this is my objection to the sixteen, Ninety Project and critical race theory don't try to sell this garbage that the country was founded to perpetuate racism. Or that the Constitution was written to perpetuate racism or that the country's founded on white supremacy in the rest of it that see that's that's where it goes. Too Far. It'd be the wrong term it it goes into bizarre Marxist fantasies. Be Teaching Marxist fantasies, to America's school children. And it's man it's it's widespread to from kindergarten through Grad school I know or in particular that any of that is unique in human history either. Or. Right see that's the thing. Oh I just read his. Up for some reason, with this view that European countries are the enlightened ones we should look to Europe for okay. Well, let's look at thirty history of France and Great Britain and all those Gone Germany specifically Yeah. I just wear is that Dennis prager colleague of ours wrote an absolutely terrific opinion piece about. How you're angry twenty year old women than the guys in the streets, the white people in the streets smash and stuff and yelling at black cops that the racist how it's a combination of boredom because they don't have a life of purpose and Naievety They he's writing about they have no knowledge of. Most of the world, which is brutal crime ridden corruption ridden drowning racism ethnic and tribal conflict in the rest of. The. NAIEVETY takes to say the United States is an awful country. Unfair. Compared to what? yes. Sean you have a comment. Okay I want wants us to play the mystery noise. I always have to get to that next. I. Do want somebody to ask Joe Biden about this though Joe Biden if you're president, will you reinstate sixteen nineteen or look to do that in your? Education Department and will you bring critical race theory training back to government agency? Somebody's ask him that yeah. have him on the record on that so far is not They could have last night in the town hall on the Very Day trump gives that speech that would have been good tying in with today's news how do you feel about that? That'd be too hard. It'd be that it was a softball Game Jack that's enough of that from now we have a mystery noise so where I don't want you to give it away Michael but so what are we supposed to do here listened to it and Guess Yeah Yeah it is it's horrifying it's a new tiktok Horrified here you smell something terrible smell this. You don't say it's horrifying in advance well. The mysterious sound. Yeah. Just play this out. It's filing your teeth into fangs. That's funny. I think it's teeth also at scraping something on some something's being. Guess. I know. You. Guys are good at this. This is actually something we do. It's called a NAM aplastic. Okay. In us as Denison orthodontist do this with a lot of people. Okay. But you need to know specifics before you can do stuff like this can't do this by herself with with a nail she has a nail. Polish. You everybody has a set amount of animal. Okay and that sediment of Ammo once you go through it, you hit your nerve and blood and pain and nastiness terrible. You don't want that I don't WanNa hear this. So apparently, teens I guess 'cause they do all the stuff on TIKTOK are filing their teeth down for some reason probably to get them shiny or something. Shiny or like vampire of them into like yeah. Just want flat teach like cow. All I eat is grass. Cal Voice jaw committing to the Vegan. If you are Goblin tide pods are snorting cinnamon or filing your teeth down i. think that's a great idea. Is Go right ahead. It's good for the heard speaking of cows. Trying to grab the testicles of a Tiger for instagram picture or whatever it is. You're doing exactly. Why don't you do all of the file, your teeth down with tied pot in your mouth while grabbing the testicles tiger, it's the Armstrong and getty tied tiger teeth challenge tied tiger testicle. Teeth. Challenge. Everybody's doing totally. Video of you doing all three of those once send you a pair of Armstrong and getty oven mitts. I've got three. Barely related, but all somewhat cove related stories that are all interesting angering. And then we've got really bad smell will give. You can find guess what it is all on the way. Getting The Armstrong and getty show. As grey. Does say I. James just an athlete I believe this expose were going to take a little dive into when I believe is quite frightening. No here you're gonna see this chock ritual, toss what the sports world calls it chalk toss but it simply disguised what what he's really doing a high level conjuring a spell an incantation from this aluminum wizard where you summoning demons I believe he's conjuring up demons before every game planning simple. Really take a look at these so-called Chalk tosses it is very frightening this ritual that he doesn't putting his hands on their bathroom at style dragon demons she serves. She. Sounds like she actually believed the Lebron James is part of the aluminum and part of his ritual before the wizard to take some demons after entire. Demons per game in the playoffs Sean. It's up there with some of the greats. After an entire season of people anticipating a Lakers clippers finals. Lakers nuggets kicks off tonight. We'll see how that goes. Shout out to our many listeners and beautiful Colorado I'm excited for you. Jack is disappointed. Of course, the NBA is dead to me and Lebron James. I. Believe to be a bigoted but I'm rooting so hard for the Nuggets Orleans follow yeah. Yolk she's a big doughy I gotta check that out I. It looks like Baby Huey and he's just dominant. Out couple of covid related things I just got an alert from. South. West. That middle seats are going to remain open through November thirtieth gives you an idea where they are. With the airlines which are still down like seventy percent. currently wolf and for the year that's download eight percent or something like that. It's just insane. But so they're not anticipating need to have three people in a row and southwest anytime soon, listen there's nothing funny about the vid stable but I'll just say this if there were a different reason, middle seats were empty for the rest of our lives getting very let's see how long we can extend that I. Think I may have underestimated how much business travel was responsible for airline clearly, oh? Yes, you. Know I. I always thought that too is a guy who's mostly a leisure traveler until we you know we got on all over the country and we start to travel and I found out that you can. You can get a parking space in whatever part of the garage you want. You know for Friday traveler, it's Tuesday morning you can't find a spot Monday Tuesday mornings. The lots are completely full. Wow. Yeah a different COVID related story bill de Blasio the mayor of New York Decided to delay in person public school three days before classes were set to resume. Teacher's Union yanked is chain after conferring with the teachers, Union. How sucky is for parents because that's not a minor deal to figure out how we going to get the kids to school how are we gonNa pick them up or if you have a childcare situation, right we're taking them out a daycare or whatever. Your situation is major deal or you call the boss on Monday and said, good news I'm coming in right then you know. Through, than on Friday afternoon, you have to call them and say, no, I can't. But the schools are not an essential business for some reason, and then the annot learning know earning noser are the rules and then another covert story that I wish would go away the headline is. Minister who prayed against lockdowns has covert. I guess is supposed to be devastatingly ironic drowsy high stupide will was yes. You See. I am really against the lockdown, and if I got covert that doesn't change my mind rice still against the lockdown. Shawl all wear masks and say socially distance, and if you don't like going places, don't the government doesn't get to shut us down forever and open the schools up and if I, find out this afternoon I got Kobe I still think the same Fang does that even seem possible to you. Here's here's a wild concept. It might blow your mind. You're going to have bits of skull on the inside of your car when I hit you with this is a and heath. Wow, we're GONNA have to call the wolf. Excellent? Pulp Fiction reference. People will self regulate based on their perception of their own risk as matic eighty year olds are not going to be saved the same way as sorority girls at the Ohio State University. Nor should they people will manage their own lives? I'm not a there's a Lotta yet the government ought to tell you how I'm not a very religious person but the kind of overall disdain for somebody praying for something or just the concept of prayer. I. Find a little troubling in in modern discourse and. It's marked. Yeah it's mocked. What's bothering you any? Praise for something. He he wishes something Nice. He's hoping this happen. Why is that such Fodder for ridicule on that I don't well, and if you just changed the verbiage a little bit, he is meditating on things he believes to be important and getting in touch with the universal spirit people who say go can I do yoga? Will I do that? Then people just A. Really good point. Manet's awful awful species my universal spirit needed to p last night but we don't have bathrooms in our home right now. Oh boy. As both bathrooms have been removed to try to get mold out of her house. And she got a bucket I never done a remodel or anything. I've heard people's remodeling stories of never done anything like that. The whole house practically is unavailable to you. I didn't realize that I mean between the Furlong Chunks of the day. You know. He just going out with the goat's and well I you know. Luckily. Because I live out in the country were pretty calm. We're we're pretty used to pain in the yard. Anyway but this is just a delightful segment of the show. So. In the middle of the night, finally get into the Radio Hall of fame based on this go ahead. I didn't want to get up and walk outside in the middle of the night just because I don't WanNa walk that far. And I had a water bottle nearby and. Getting better and better. So i. took up my pocket knife and I cut off the top of the water bottle on our feet in the water bottle. What else you got bathroom? In there aren't a lot of options. that. Yeah. Probably that yeah I meant to throw it away. First thing this morning it is still sitting on the nightstand. Look somebody. Who says you know I thought it was over folks. All thought it was over. Didn't we knew? Golly. Dome and I'm going to have to come up with something. I guess some sort. There are devices, bedpans, essentially, the hospital news, that sort of thing I need and their little a woman friendly to I'd noticed nothing about your wife and her needs in this little disgusting screed. To look into that. Yeah. If you've got a particular tip. Texts four, one, five, two, nine, five, K FTC because I'm going to be without a bathroom in the home for Awhile I guess. Let's move along quickly to something anything anything something. Trump to block US transactions with Tik Tok and we chat I. followed. Ignore all the tiktok stories. If you show me a video of a funny dog doing something on Tiktok I'll watch it but I've ignored all the TIKTOK story. So I gotTA admit I'm not up to the long back and forth on who might buy just tell me if somebody buys it okay I. I don't own tic TAC. If you haven't heard it yet will hit you with Joe Biden's giant Walker from. That's the words of the Washington. Post Joe Biden's giant Walker from his town hall last night. If you do not get the next hour goto Armstrong and getty dot com. We will post that segment as a podcast later today Canadian Tesla driver has been charged with napping while speeding. I've thought there was the point that. So the Klugman that the car was speeding I thought they weren't supposed to do that. Oh, well, he probably said is cruise control at you know a higher than legal speed. I know some drivers who do that for instance, every single day going to and from radio station I don't know I. 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Advancing opportunity in Californias Inland Empire

The Brookings Cafeteria

55:02 min | 1 year ago

Advancing opportunity in Californias Inland Empire

"The. I was born in and I know my parents, and my grandparents came to San Bernardino, on the inland empire, because they thought as a place of opportunity in at not only as a place that opportunity, but one of innovation and inclusion. Brown. Hind says a local civic beater in California's inland empire publisher of black voice news, and founder of the multimedia company voice media ventures. Founding riverside founder Gian north was an abolitionist, who wanted to build a more -clusive community places like Kaiser permanent. My father worked for most of his career as the first place of this better managed health care, there in front of Tanna and global leaders in technology, key, IS in Redlands, California. We have injury there, so I seen at the special place where anything is possible. You may not have heard of the inland empire located to the east of Los Angeles. But it is one of the fastest growing regions in the country, larger than many states. It's sprawls across fifty two cities from riverside, San Bernardino. Redlands Antero Temecula to Rancho Cucamonga, it's to county stretch across twenty seven thousand square miles, and her home to four point five million people. It includes Joshua tree in Coachella and Palm Springs, mid century, modern homes, and citrus groves desert and snow mountains and valleys. It's freeways with up to sixteen lanes connected, west Orange County Los Angeles and San Diego, making a magnet for new residents looking for a more Ford -able lifestyle as the California coast has become more expensive. It's a former agricultural orange growing region, turn postwar military and light manufacturing hub now grappling with its role in a modern economy, characterized by digitalization automation and global supply chains. It's also home. One of the fastest growing most verse populations in the country, too. Many of whom struggle to reach the middle class. Well, I think the challenge is someone who's been living in the linen pyre for my entire life over fifty years. I've seen some of the great prosperity when we had Norton airbase there, which is one of the reasons my grandfather moved to San Bernardino in the first place. We had nice middle class jobs. We had opportunities for people who with very little skill could build a nice life for themselves by homes, raise their family. And I think that in the recent years, we have movement, places like that base shutting down and Kaiser still leaving. There were fewer opportunities in, although we have this huge growth, the types of jobs, every place that we lost, when not those that could sustain families. So it's harder for people who don't have as much educated, as many skills to create that kind of life where they could buy a home. In helps support their families. This is a special episode of the Brookings cafeteria the podcast about ideas in the experts who have them. I'm Fred dues. I'll be joining the episode by Rachel Barker, a policy analyst and engagement strategist with the metropolitan policy program, who conducted the interviews in this episode you'll also hear from Gutman Brookings, fellow and director of strategic partnerships and global initiatives who leads Brookings work on the inland empire as well as senior research, associate and senior project manager Chad share who along with each Shaw pioneered novel analytics, that made this work possible. Finally, you'll hear directly from local leaders who've come together in unprecedented ways to define a new future for their region. Growth new jobs in development has been robust. As the inland empire has recovered from the great recession the cross alone hasn't been enough to deliver broadly shared, prosperity, aller Grahovo is also local civic leader in the inland empire and market president for Bank of America. Region has grown rapidly in the last several years, a couple of aids and you one would think that the rapid growth in relation and employment for region is positive trend and it could very well be. But if it isn't accompanied by economic opportunities such as good jobs, they will employment and primitive, affordable housing. It really can resources in, especially the communities economic health. So as we are seeing now too many individuals are living in the margins or limited by zip code, and unable to create a better life in the selves, and their families who good jobs in housing in recent decades, the manufacturing and military presence, that fueled, the region's prosperity has declined. Meanwhile, the gross of global trade with Pacific rim and new goods coming into the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach have made the expansive cheaper inland empire and natural staging point for the logistics industry. This is. Created lots of new jobs, but not always jobs. Support a middle class lifestyle, the region's real estate and retail driven economy was also hard hit by the great recession leaving swath of newly developed subdivisions and vacant foreclosed homes, these challenges are implementing of many cities in metro areas, but they're particularly acute in the inland empire, which is, prompting local leaders to take action. This spring after three years of intensive collaboration with Brookings, metropolitan policy program, local public, private, and civic leaders launch an ambitious strategy to ensure that their regions future delivers on the middle class dream that prompted so many to move to the inland empire in the first place. It's called the inland, economic growth and opportunity, campaign Paul that Brown Hines our arts, co chairs and includes a set of strategies and initiatives driven by data informed by work groups and committees assigned to stakeholders, but what it's really about is, how communities can better focus their economic and workforce development efforts to build both growth and inclusion it's the story of how in the midst of disruptive global economic geopolitical forces cities and regions identify special industry strengths to grow more good jobs accessible to their residents. It's the story of how local leaders elected officials business executives unions, higher education workforce sports community leaders and philanthropists living in these communities. Concetta vision and make a difference mid these forces. And it's how a national think-tank can apply its data and research to action. Informing coaching motivating in collaborating to close the gap between insights and reality. Let's keep going with a more indepth view of the inland empire region. It's challenges and opportunities and the new vision for its future. Here's Rachel with former riverside, California mayor and longtime university of California riverside, professor, Ron leverage leverage initiated Brookings collaboration with the region in two thousand sixteen. Inland. Empire is changed a lot in recent decades, including experiencing some serious challenges to economic prosperity and opportunity, even in the midst of some fairly rapid growth. How would you characterize these challenges and why is it important for the region to focus on building broader prosperity? The book that Michael store Perot called rising fall of urban economies essentially comparing and contrasting, Los Angeles with San Francisco, germs regions, and white San Francisco was more successful than Los Angeles, particularly measured in terms of brick capita income, and is central conclusion this, I read it was the importance of regional conversations therms of a Konami and choices and what needs to be emphasized of. That's what frame for me, the importance of this look at the empire, although I tend to refer to the southern California's economic future while you were in office, as mayor of riverside, the region, and the broader country went through the great recession. Could you talk a little about how it affected the region? And the people who live there. Well, there is this major Rothe housing much of that Rothe is no space that the coast and so it took place in the inland area. And so the great recession hit this era very hard. We spend a great deal of time, asking where are we in working with go? And what can we do? And again, trying to talk about beyond simply being a place where poems for bills. How do you create a quality in terms of place? Do you create a kind of economy jobs can be here, rather than on the coaster in San Diego? And so your instigation local leaders from the inland empire collaborated with Brookings for several years to build broader prosperity. What prompted you to initiate that work? Well, if he asked, what is our vision of who we are? And what are narrative we're trying to define that? We sensually were talking to our cells one of learn elected office, a lot of sort of best practices not late for cities, but also regions, so it's we looked to what future for the inland area. It seems to me it was incumbent to ask the question out of this region. Defined itself. Supported self talked with self for our region. This is a first of a kind of getting kind of conversation across different sectors. And to ask who are we what's our future? What choices we have what resources to have out? Can we do something better also reminds people, there are some extraordinary things about this region is a region of difficulty in the region of opportunity promised? The question of how cities and regions to find themselves in the modern economy isn't unique to inland empire. Even in an expanding economy, and in the midst of speculation over full employment, many communities. Some people struggle the nation has added over nineteen million jobs during the recovery from the recession an increase of nineteen percent since the start of the recovery. However middle-class earnings have only increased by three percent over the same period. These trends have fuelled Brookings work with cities around the country to expand the definition of economic success beyond simply growth, and to empower local leaders with data frameworks and tools to build more sustainable inclusive economies. Here's Rachel speaking with merit Gutman, and Chad Scher who along with Easter Shaw, authored a report advancing opportunity in California's inland. Empire examining the region's economic performance. So we've all spent a lot of time over the past few years, helping cities and regions elevate their ambitions for economic development and what they can do to build both more competitive, and more inclusive economies in the midst of these disruptive forces what to city leaders need to do differently to succeed today. First thing when you do is just a mindset of economic development, leaders and elected leaders in regions to think more broadly about what economic success means, historically, that is focused simply on growth, how many jobs are being created often forced to counted on a monthly or weekly basis. These economic developers have been held accountable for that simple measure of job creation. It's easy to understand. You can cut a ribbon. You can dig a hole, you can count a number of jobs from an business sets opening or attracted to your area. But that's not enough for economic success. You also have to take into account to other important factors. One is prosperity productivity its growth of firms is their ability to be sustainable in the economy over the long term in continue to. Produce, quality jobs. The other is inclusion who's benefiting from these jobs. Are they able to succeed in the economy in providing what their families need achieving a middle income lifestyle? So all three elements of growth, prosperity and inclusion needs to be taken into account and strategies need to work toward those as three goals for economic success. Here's Chad explaining how this framework is relevant in looking at the inland empire. So what's interesting about the inland. Empire is it's growth. It's incredible growth from the mid nineteen ninety s through the mid two thousands up until the beginning of the great recession and really even today, it's job growth continues to be among the fastest of any metropolitan area in the country where this region has struggled as around prosperity and inclusion it's logistics sector has been a source of really remarkable strength for the economy. We've seen a lot of new firms entering their multinational firms coming in and opening new facilities to move their goods. And from the ports and into the interior United States. We've seen Amazon com in so that it can distribute goods throughout southern California, all of that has created an incredible number of jobs, hundreds of thousands of jobs, and that has made this region, the envy of many others across the United States, but the problem is that logistics is not the highest value. Added industry in the country and others that are, you know, see manufacturing have been struggling in this region for quite a while, California's not always the easiest place to run a manufacturing facility, and that along with the decline of the defense industry throughout southern California. But especially in the inland empire has really taken a toll on the region's overall productivity. What it's been left with are kind of lower value, added sectors, including not only the Justice, but also sectors, like retail and hospitality and healthcare, which largely serve local markets and don't trade with other regions. So that's one challenge for this region. Another one around. Inclusion is that many of the jobs in these less productive sectors. Just don't pale that great. You don't have a whole lot of productivity than it's hard to pay your workers, really, well as a result of that this region has among the lowest median wages lowest average wages of any large region in the country. Certainly he region close to its size and. Despite the massive number of jobs. It adds every year it continues to struggle from a low employment rate. So these are all big challenges for this region. And we certainly hope that the research that are advancing opportunity report presents can help leaders here begin to address these in some very coherent and reinforcing strategic ways. The challenges around job quality in the inland empire in particular, provide an opportunity for Brookings attests, new research, led by Chad called opportunity industries, this work is focused on denting, how local leaders can support the growth of industries and jobs along with stronger workforce, pathways that provide better opportunity for local workers, including those without a bachelor's degree. Chad. You've spent nearly three years developing the detailed methodology and findings underlying this opportunity industries work. Could you walk us through what it explores, why it's important and what inspired you to take this on? So opportunity industries, began as a project, looking at job quality and economic mobility in the United States, and what motivated it was the shape of economic recovery from the great recession in the years immediately following the recession the big concern in the United States, and in most metropolitan areas around job growth, but as job growth and the labor market recovered, what really became more pressing was a lack of job quality, and many of the jobs that the United States was growing in the aftermath of the recession. Many of these jobs had lower wages. There were not the same kinds of benefits being offered and many people were earning a lot less than they had prior to the recession. And so the concern was that, you know, the jobs are back, but many people are still worse off. Meanwhile, there were these growing concerns and these concerns. Continue to be pressing around the future of job quality, and the United States, and metropolitan areas because of the threat of automating and changing technologies in the labor market, that could displace a lot of workers that have good jobs today. So with all of this in mind, we wanted to explore what kinds of industries offered. Good jobs that provide a middle class wage and benefits that can support a family and also what kinds of industries provide jobs that can get people there to those jobs. Not everybody enters, the labor market and immediately has a good job. Some people need time in the labor market to acquire knowledge experience skills abilities in order to compete for a good job. And we wanted to identify those two. And so that's what led us to this opportunity industries work, which identifies those industries that concentrate those good jobs. Jobs that are good today as well as promising jobs, which provide pathways to jobs in the future. And at a time we hear a lot about inclusive growth and shared, prosperity and cities, what unique lens does this analysis add to the conversation. So it provides a lot of research and information that local policymakers can use to shift the orientational of their economic development and workforce development strategies economic development has always been obsessed with industries, and for good reason industries need different things to grow some industries need to be close to lots of universities, where smart. People are coming up with the best ideas, other industries need to be located next to their suppliers and still other industries need to be located close to consumers. And so you cannot make development has always kind of had this industrial lands that acknowledged that different industries different things. What we wanted to add to that conversation, though, was this prism of job quality, which industries provide lots of good, promising jobs, for what types of individuals. And so we've given these policymaker. Economic developers and their corollaries, and we're force development organizations, this new information to kind of understand and judge, which industries are going to be better for which types of people from, you know, kind of materialistic or from a job, quality perspective. So while working on this analysis at national level, you also spent significant time digging into these trends, and dynamics in the inland empire specifically, what did that reveal the inland empire was a really attractive place to do this work because one relievers there, that would were poised to dig into this kind of research, but to because the dynamics of that place we're talking about a region that is rather poor. It's been growing really fast, but it is not a prosperous place by many measures. And so, you know there's a lot of momentum there behind the economy and its growth. But momentum that's not pushing in a direction that's good for more people. And so we thought this was an ideal place to kind of pilot this analysis. And work with those local leaders who were very keen to put together new strategies and policies that would help more people. And what were some of the really interesting or compelling findings that you uncovered as you dug into all of that data? So what's really interesting about what we found in the inland empire is that this is a region that actually has a lot of good jobs and a lot of promising jobs for suback Lorette workers, the challenge that we found there is that to spite the large number of good and promising jobs in the region. There aren't nearly enough for all of the struggling workers need them. This is a region where quite considerable number of workers people and families struggle to make ends meet each month. And many, many of them would need to get good jobs in order to get this region to a level of prosperity, that's similar to the rest of the national economy at the same time despite this deficit. We also found that there's a lot of promise here that the region does have a lot of Ican. Momentum behind it and has a lot of very earnest and committed leaders, and that those leaders have strategies available to them that could really start to move the dial on job quality in the region. What could these strategies for supporting good and promising jobs? Look like in April the inland economic growth and opportunity campaign released a report outlining, how it plans to grow. These middle-class jobs, applying Brookings findings to action. Here's Merican Rachel talking about what led up to that. You spent three years taking bookings data and research to ground in working local leaders to build the civic capacity lay the groundwork for this action. They're taking now. What did that process look like? And what did you learn? As we've increasingly explored problem solving. With city regions across the country, we've established a pretty standard approach bridging research, into practical application and impact. It involves organizing these diverse groups of stakeholders undertaking market diagnostics, recess meets using the research. But grounded with local researchers as well to ensure that capacity is built up locally, and that our national level analysis is enhanced and reaffirmed by local understanding, and then taking all of those actors through a process of strategy goal setting tactic development and operational design for implementation getting commitments from the very. Is interests to taking on ownership of those tactics? And finally figuring out how to measure, whether you're successful or not. The inland. Empire strategy building off your report in collaboration with the region outlined. Several embellishes efforts to strengthen both existing industries, like logistics and manufacturing and support new ones like security. Why are these significant what we uncovered through the opportunity industries analysis -application to the inland empire was, there were three areas where you could intervene toward more inclusive, economic development, and upper tune ity. The first is looking at your existing sectors, the really big job generators and determining whether you could improve the quality of jobs in those core industries foundational industries in the inland empire, advanced manufacturing still has a significant presence logistics of Asli an enormous presence. So the question was, how can we move those kinds of firms up, the value chain or those sex? Ters how we could move those sectors up the value chain in order to generate higher quality jobs over the long term, and how he could benefit also incumbent workers in those sectors to respond to issues of digitalization automation over the next period of years. Second. We're able to identify emerging industries emerging sectors where there was likely greater opportunity in good and promising job creation, that helps economic developers and other policymakers to focus their investments and efforts on the kinds of sectors that are going to create the quality jobs. We wanna see versus looking more toward locally serving sectors, or those that are not generating jobs that provide that middle skill middle income opportunity, the third area, the opportunity industries analysis revealed through the inland empire project was how demographics played out in the individual sectors, so that could determine whether by gender or race, people were underrepresented in sectors where there was great opportunity. And how you might be able to tar. Guit those underrepresented populations through workforce, interventions through outreach in order to make certain that they were able to take advantage of these opportunity industries. So it had implications for training and community colleges. And the people were institutions like faith-based organizations that connect those individuals to those promising and good jobs. So how have local leaders started applying these insights, and how might the end the empire look differently as a result? Let's go back to the region, and learn more. Here's Rachel speaking with Paul GRA Neo president and CEO of the inland empire economic partnership. A real cornerstone of go is expanding growth and opportunity by strengthening and upgrading both existing industries. And then also supporting the emergence of new industries like cybersecurity. I wanna talk about logistics in particular, because that's an industry. That's getting more and more attention on a national stage with e commerce retailers like Amazon, but just has a long history and legacy in the region. Can you start off by telling me, how would emerged as a cornerstone of the region's economic strategy? So I think you have to look at the price of land, and as Orange County Los Angeles County started to be built out and as logistic sector advanced, and the need for larger and larger buildings started to rise to the top. Then there was an actual match in the part where we had land in which to build these facilities, which was also attached to two class one railroads, which is also attached to the interstate highway system. Going east west and north south get graphically? It was well positioned now. Nobody even I think twenty years ago, even ten years ago, could really forecast, the growth of e commerce and how we as consumers have radically changed the way in which we are purchasing goods. And so with the rise of fulfillment, the need for facilities to be crea-. Created in order for us to get what we want, which is our goods delivered to our homes as quickly as today. Well infrastructure to support that had to be created. And if you look the regions around the world, what exists in the inland empire is really cutting edge for size and for the impact that it has internationally nationally and for the state of California and logistics, hasn't always supported the highest quality or the best paying jobs. There's also significant potential for change in the logistics industry with autonation what is your vision in the region's vision for the potential of logistics in the region? And for it to evolve into an industry that really supports growth and opportunity. So I think that we have an opportunity to 'cause we have an opportunity to partner with the logistics industry, which is also part of. The wholesale goods industry and partner with education partners, and look at what jobs are going to need to be created in order to support the logistics industry, moving forward. So do I mean automation, there is going to be the Karen feeding of automated systems? The drones will come and we have the opportunity to be leading in the testing in the United States on drone delivery. We have to look at the systems within the warehouses are need as consumers for again. Heavy our goods as quickly as possible means that there's going to be new model as film, it, maybe a smaller footprint or multi-storey closer to the inter urban core in order for goods to be delivered all of that's going gonna require research, all of that's going to require partnerships. And I think that the Brookings recommendation that says the logistics industry in. In the inland. Empire is so big, right, that it gives us a competitive advantage if we're doing the hard work of looking at the future of doing the research of creating strong partnerships between business and academe and government in order to make sure that regions like ours, that are very susceptible to the loss of jobs in the future that, that isn't going to be the case, because we saw that there was a potential threat, and we have started the conversation about how we're going to turn that threat into a competitive event. A big part of strengthening the regions advantage and logistics, launching an university in industry lead central excellence. The center will help the region move up, the value chain upskill existing jobs, advance innovation in the industry and leverage its presence into complementary sectors. Janice Rutherford is a local supervisor in San Bernardino county. Her district includes over four hundred thousand residents spanning Rancho Cucamonga into the San Bernardino, national forest here, she is speaking with Rachel. What would that evolution in? Logistics la- quake. And what will it require to succeed? It's certainly requires us to improve our quality, and completion of basic education. It requires our folks to be willing to learn more about robotics, and automated, and it requires an understanding that were not going to be as concerned about moving the boxes in the trucks, as we are about the machines and the artificial intelligence that figures out how those boxes and trucks move, it's really going to require a, a collaboration with higher education and industry with our hardworking people to dream those dreams and test them out here, and we've got the facilities in the people who are willing to do that. We have to create a center for excellence in those areas that brings together the best in the Br. Lightest and let says be the world's workshop for how we do this better and smarter. If mentioned this new vision for logistics, with modernized, warehouses, and new jobs, and new types of jobs. Could you talk a little more of just what that vision is? And what you think that could look like in the region may be ten years from now, if this release exceeds. Can years from now. What I hope to see is that we have more people employed in companies or creating companies that make the robotics automation, artificial intelligence, that run logistics, warehouses, and logistical transport services. We need to not just be providing the personnel who work in those warehouses in who drive the trucks, we need to have the people who create the software, that's going to make that truck autonomous. We need to have the people who service the robots that actually pope packages from shelves and ship them out the doors of warehouses. We need to be that technological center, rather than just the warehouse center. In addition to upgrading these foundational industries, like logistics, and manufacturing, the in the empire is also focused on time together regional assets to celebrate newer emerging industries that tend to generate a greater number of promising jobs. One of those around environmental technologies and green jobs building, on a recent announcement that the California Air Resources board will move its research headquarters to the region, another cybersecurity. Here's Rachel speaking with Brian Hawley, a local cyber-security executive who co-chaired the emerging industries taskforce for the regional effort. Cyber security is, obviously such an important emerging industry today with, you know, the proliferation of hacking in the cloud, and in all that is digital in our economy, and in our lives today. What kind of opportunity, do you think that the inland empire has in establishing real foothold in that industry? Oh, I think the opportunities significant there's a couple of parts to cyber security. There's the park cyber-security. That's more implementation or. Focused on operations making sure you have the right, configuration on your switches, you know, making sure you have the right tools, and you're doing penetration analysis and those sorts of things. And then there's also the other side of that, which is more of a research side of that, where you're trying to identify the new ways that people could be attacking and ways to prevent that. And that type of research is going on here at some of these institutions, some of the research, institutions in the region, so you really have kind of both halves of that equation, and a talent pool to draw from for both halves of that cyber security equation. So I think there's tremendous opportunity in that particular area. Developing these ambitious strategies involved government business workforce, higher, Ed philanthropy and other civic leaders from across the regions to enormous counties riverside and San Bernardino coming together in new ways. This kind of cross sectoral civic collaboration and United focus is crucial to building inclusive growth. Here's Rachel again with Brian Hawley. Why is a business leader? Is it important for the region to build broader prosperity? And what do you think is going to happen if the region doesn't act? There's a regionally really have to be more diversified economically. The challenges that we had during the recession were primarily, because we were focused limited in the sectors, that are Konami was based on and without kind of a diversified economy. We can't handle those downturns as well. Obviously that has impacts for the entire community in the region. We have a lot of work here at Brookings over the past couple years on inclusive, economic development in developing a business case for inclusive growth, what do you think, is the business case for engaging on these issues and expanding opportunity in the inland empire? Well, it's pretty straightforward stable region provides ability for the businesses and the employees that reside in the region, and also provides a stable tax economic base. So kind of a no brainer. You really want inclusive growth inclusive, economic development diversified economic platform. A big focus for a lot of firms, obviously is workforce, and having access to skilled talent base. How were you thinking about that in relation to these inclusive growth issues? Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. I mean one of the real assets that we have in this region is within probably about a thirty mile radius. We have five institutions that are either public or nonprofit of higher learning. We've got a couple of community colleges. We've got UC we've got a Cal State. We've got a couple of nonprofit universities and those all have variety of programs in many cases, there's also some entrepreneurs ship programs at those and so having that kind of talent to draw from is, is very valuable resource. Cross sectoral partnerships are particularly significant for ensuring that more of the inland, empire residents are prepared to access new and better jobs in the region. Here's Janice Rutherford again. We have grown incredibly in recent years, but that growth has not been equally spread across our population in part because of our disparate educational attainment levels. We do have a folks who are been born and raised here, and go to college and come back here or go to our many universities, that are in the area, and we have a lot of those, but we're finding a really large percentage of population that doesn't even get beyond high school, and that is nothing making for success in the modern economy. It's only been in recent years that we've really embraced the idea that beyond high school doesn't have to mean university degree, but kid include a level of technical education, and focus on soft skills that are high schools don't seem to be providing anymore. So we've worked really hard to create partnerships with businesses are K through twelve schools. Community colleges to come up with unique programs that really offer training with long career opportunities and career ladders to folks who aren't that interested in an academic education beyond high school. And within your district employers, Claburn with university. Officials are really interesting way to launch a new industrial technical learning center, which is called Intech. Could you talk a little about that? And why it's so promising. Intech his been fabulously successful taking folks, a lot of mid career changers who have lost previous jobs, and who need the skills of the modern economy in very technical way they get to go to this center. They get community college credit. We have instructors from industry. And when they walk out of there, they are ready for job at one of the industries that sponsors in tech. It has really helped people realize their dreams and shows us. What's possible when we stop thinking of education, is something that happens between the ages of five to twenty two in a classroom, at a remote campus? And what does the experience like for someone to go through the center in this program? What kinds of resources to they get access to? I think the biggest resource they get access to is the encouragement and the support that they can do something they'd never imagined doing in their life. I know female friend of mine. Her kids were in high school, her husband had passed and she never imagined herself, working with electric equipment to see her confidence just sore because of the time the instructors, and the fellow students took with her because of the social support. She had from the school was really inspiring the missing the build inclusive growth, strengthen industries and improve opportunity for workers as also brought together other groups. Here's Paula Neo again with Rachel. Two groups that are often on different sides of the table in these situations or business and labor. How have you thought about bringing those two sides together in the context of these issues. Flow team incredibly important piece of the puzzle and labor and business have more in common than separates certainly perspectives can be different and self interests can be different. But if we both believe that having employees that are well trained and proficient is the goal than I think there are not to work together, and even in the dialogue self interest, it shows. Right. And if you're really trying to get to an end that's positive. Well, if you're only coming from self interest, and not for the good of the of the whole BOS people in those opinions, they tend to be pushed inside because the ultimate goal is always going to be bigger than one person and whatever they're trying to get on their own bath. As the inland economic growth and opportunity campaign moves to action the inland. Southern California community foundation is incubating implementation. Michele decker is the organization's president and CEO. She moved to the in the empire last year after spending several decades, working in community development in Baltimore, Maryland and Appalachian, Ohio here, she is speaking with Rachel. In Illinois empire. The community foundation has taken on responsibility for incubating the IHO campaign now that it's moving towards action and implementation. Why did this make sense in what does that look like for the foundation to really take on this role? We're going to help build up the backbone infrastructure for each. Oh, so the community foundation has the ability to play a role that will bring people together. But for whom our goal or our mission is really about just the larger betterment of the region community foundations are doing this increasingly and I think everybody in philanthropy is smart these days, that you're not going to write a grant for ship off a check to solve some of the bigger structural problems, and it would be better for us rather than writing a check to solve homelessness, that we had an economy that could do it in a tax base that could do it. And so I think philanthropy now sees that it's gotta get into leadership and advocacy, and bigger systems thinking to be able to show up at philanthropy and do what we can because we still need to support early childhood. Occasion. And after school programs and pet shelters. And a lot of conventional may be community based nonprofit work, but we're all going to do better. If the region's economy, is inclusive and a head of the curve on the changes that are coming down in the US. Masella Mitchell also talked about the civic collaboration built around the inland economic growth and opportunity campaign and the importance of its sustainability. You're speaking to the value of the range of stakeholders, that came together in this work across sectors. So business government university philanthropy across these two large counties in the region. How significant is that collaboration to the region success in what will be required to sustain that as you move forward into action until for our success social capital? The trust the norms of behavior that we have between sectors and between institutions organizations, really are the firmament, forgetting something done, and all of us who've been through planning processes and been in needing and seen effort succeed in seen effort sail over the decade. No, that's pretty fundamental. So fostering, it identifying when it's working identifying when those relationships. Arms, perhaps aren't working and seeing the conversations and seem the building of trust and collaboration as very much a long haul effort is important so to sustain it. And what's important is just gain. It would be a commitment that is long term. And I you know, I could pull a number out a good say ten years twenty years, but if we really think this is the way we need to work there sort of never a point where we're done it staying ahead of the pollution and staying ahead of the change. So we talk about, oh, it's a technology is changing everything that we do. Yeah, it is. And it's going to continue. But we still have these fundamentals in our human relationships in ways that we work together that we need to sustaining even get better at. When you've been at these tables in the region. What do you think is gonna be unique lens or perspective that you can bring his philanthropy versus these other actors that are at the table? When you are working on the ground in an organization around an issue. You have to make budget and the strategies that use built are important, and they need to be sustained. And so let's say you want to bring people together and everybody wants to solve the homelessness issue. Well, all of those organizations are invested in who they are, and what they do and how they resource what they do. So the ability of community philanthropy to bring people to the table, and to convene folks to have these discussions, it really is literally, the benefit is that we are not an economic development organization, or entity within county government for whom turn ways of doing things to have been sustained over the years or that can't really be challenged politically, without some safety and some neutral. -ality at the table where people can kind of hash it out and think it through. So fully enterpise ability to just show up and say what's important to you, and how do we support? You is absolutely golden. And I say this because ver twenty seven years, I was running community based organizations in both Baltimore and Appalachian Ohio, and did it with terrific collaboration in water quality, and housing and commercial revitalization, and food system, all amazing. But I know that we had limitations as that entity that was implementing the work and so folks can rely on a good community foundation, like the community foundation. Serving riverside San Bernardino counties to step in and kind of T everybody is valid, but also to raise the tough questions and to help us all kind of focus on the larger goal. I've seen it as a kind of. Mazing force. You've talked about how the inland empire was a really interesting kind of different context to go work in the context of your career and community development. You know, it's obviously at the vanguard or the frontier of some macro trends that we look at here at Brookings and terms of demographic change in terms of the nature of jog quality in terms of technological change. And how automated is changing the economy, one lessons. Do you hope that other cities and regions can take away from this experience in the inland empire being out of front of these dynamics? And how do you hope the region might become a model for other places? Well, we talked about this region, and it's so important. Remember that it is twenty seven thousand square miles, that it sort of middle of the pack. If you had to make us a state in there, probably twenty four other states, the Lois who are smaller, and so I think that we can be a model in terms of our size and our scale, and how we work within that size and scale for and a half million people and collaborate to solve issues that are affecting four and a half million people in all of the companies and all the municipalities, and K through twelve kids that are that are within that region. I think that diversity racial diversity and inclusion is just crucial and it has everything to do with fairness with equity, but also with moving leadership into the right places and building on the assets that you have an it's. It's always gonna come down to the people that are here, and so for the rest of the country, you know, when we live in a lot of soundbites around race and a lot of confusion as a nation around race. We are so strong. Our diversity is our strength, and the more that we can lean into that and lift that up the better off this country is going to be. So I'm just immensely, proud to be here, and to be working with so many different kinds of people who all have their sights on, what does an inclusive economy look like. There's Merrick again, with what breaking sees emerging as a result of the region's new collaboration and why that is so important. So is local leaders now shift to action. What are you hoping to see? When the best outcomes, we've seen from this process has been the different interests different stakeholders coming together sitting down table with Liber, presentative and business representatives. In logistics industry is one example, individual business owners and entrepreneurs participating in this and taking leadership roles around different tactical strategies in the sectors. Empowering that business leadership organizations, the community foundation thinking, philanthropies, roll the community foundation taking on the incubator function for a distributed implementation model to execute on these strategies and tactics as a neutral, resourced organization that can be the backbone for collective impact. These process, things don't sound like a lot, but in a region as diverse and large as this one to have those new investors stakeholders come together on a shared agenda that focuses on this kind of quality job creation access for residents is really significant. And if you talk to people who've been involved in the process think you'll find that they're inspired by. By what has come out of this really long effort. And what was generated by? Evidence translated into action. And what is the potential of this action for the region and its residence? Here's former riverside. Mayor Ron leverage. Key concept. I've had is an elected official is somebody's said what he can do about your future questions. You need to invent your future. Would I you does in terms of Genta focus points to a way that we can invent the future of this region? Otherwise, you're just a victim of circumstances and trends. You can find the report by Chad share issue, Shaw and merit Gutman and banding opportunity in California's inland. Empire on our website at Brookings dot EDU slash retro. A special thanks to Rachel Barker policy analyst and engagement strategist, but the metropolitan policy program, she produced this episode did the interviews and wrote the script, I collaborated with her on a three part cafeteria series in early twenty eighteen on how cities are creating inclusive condoms. Also, my thanks Brookings. Scholars merit Gutman, and Chad share all the inland empire participants. Allert Wayo, Paulette Brown Hines, the shell decker paulblanco Brian Hawley. Ron leverage, and Janice. Rutherford allergy AO is Bank of America's inland empire market, president and Bank of America is a donor Brookings, Paul Brown. Hines is a member of the board of the James Irvine foundation, which is donor to Brookings and supported Brookings. Engagement in the inland empire at Brookings. The inland empire team also included. Elizabeth Patterson, Carolyn, GATS and been Sioe. The Brookings cafeteria podcast is the product of an amazing team of colleagues, starting with audio engineer. Gaston, Reverend oh and producer. Chris mckenna. Bill finding director of the Brookings Institution press, does the book, interviews and Baylor, Eric, blah and provide design web support our intern. The summer is Betsy brought us finally, my thanks to Camillo Ramirez, an Emily Horne for their guidance and support. 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"Welcome to digital hospitality arm. Your host. Sean Walsh this is Kelly. Bbq Media Production Today on here with Michael Salaries. Former navy SEAL SAMANTHA. Baena former marine the power couple behind forged clothing today. We're talking about the Murph challenge. We are going to go hike rock trail over here in San Miguel Chula Vista We're going to learn more about the Murph challenge. We'RE GONNA learn more about forged really excited. Thank you guys coming out. Yeah Super Super Exciting. One of the things that we talk about on digital hospitality. Every week that your business has to be digital. Your Business has to be in the hospitality business. We became friends because of instagram. And yelp they found our business on Yelp they thankfully our team did an amazing job and they had a great meal. They tagged us in their photo. And now we're out here talking about their incredible company and all the great work that you guys do so We're GONNA also find out. How civilian can participate in the member of challenge? Because someone like me. That's out of shape. I am not navy. Seal. I'm not a professional athlete but I love everything that you guys do for veterans and for all the active duty I'm grateful for that and I want you guys to give us some tips on. How civilian can participate and support all the working doing awesome? Sean thank you. Let's go. Let's do it. We'll see you at the top of the mountain. So how many hikes would you guys say you go on a month and a month? We typically try to do at least one a week on a weak yeah You know it depends on work schedule rate. Now we're prepping everything for the Murph challenge so we've got a lot of extra work going on right now so we don't get go out as much as we want to but typically we like to plan at least one week. Perfect for the birth challenges. you retail shirts or the challenge. Yeah it's actually one of the shirts I'm wearing right now. Is Our official shirt from last year. Okay and all of the products that you can find that help support the Murph challenge if you go to our website them our challenge dot com and has all the information on there and you can go online register find out how you can support the merge challenge what the merge challenges about and if you're have a gym or an organization that wants to become an official host you can also go on there and see how to become official hosts in register your organization and a portion of those proceeds go directly to the Lieutenant Michael Memorial Scholarship Foundation which helps awards scholarships each year and it also helps well. I guess finalize construction right on the new Murph Seal Museum in Sayerville Right New York. Yeah right now. They're actually working on a museum. It's almost completed looking at this summer to finalize the completion on it. It is an amazing project that Dan Murphy. Michael's father has been heading out and probably around June or July will be the timeframe where they're hoping to open it up and it definitely. I would say if you get a chance. If you're ever out in Long Island in Sayerville New York definitely go. Check it out so Mike. When did you decide to become a navy seal? I started? I guess investigating the idea when I was in high school. Probably around Fourteen fifteen years old trills with this is not a trail. Always follow the signs. When you're on a trail always follow the science. Sambo may disagree weaknesses. Normally we would be going that way. This is not a true. Let's go this way. The navy seal way I the hardest the hardest way possible. Yeah so I was. Actually the first time I'd ever heard of a navy seal. I guess from that movie with Charlie Sheen. Okay I I mean. I had a few uncles. Who are in the military. But I wasn't from a military family so I didn't really have a vast knowledge of how the military worked or the whole structure system of it. But what I did know is I didn't like going to school and studying but I did like playing a lot of sports and athletics and I was very interested in activities like skydiving and scuba diving hiking and shooting weapons and I grew up in a small town in central place called Port allegany and is very well known for hunting and fishing so I did a lot of hunting and fishing growing up So it just seemed like the military a special operations especially navy seals was real enticing to me because it was something that involved a lot of activities that I wanted to do and it had a lot of meaning and a lot of patriotism and just basically you know it. It was something that I figured. We'd give me a lot of drive and self worth and it was really a challenge because when I looked at the different special operations groups in the military the seals come out to me as being the top tier and it seemed like it had. This is true. I've worked with a lot of marines and I would say marines are Great People Marines. They're awesome fighters. They should be careful. We're great people. Great People Go. Oh no I father side a lot of marines and I I mean I can't say enough about marines. They are very disciplined. They are always there to back you up whenever you need them and they never give you any flack they never tell you. Well maybe I'm going to think about that or not. Show up indecisive never marines. They're always there so when when someone decides that they want to become a navy seal. What's the process after the research? And you decide yes. That's what I want you nowadays with all the technology. It's actually fairly easy to research. The process You can go on a navy seal. Swick DOT com the official website for the Navy seals. And if you've gone there there's information you can email or call and they will hook you up with an actual seal recruiter so you can talk to a regular navy recruiter. But we also have some civilians who are former seals who work as civilians seal recruiters so you would come in contact with the seal recruiter and they would basically brief you on all of the requirements. There's a physical test that you'd have to pass There's also an aptitude tests that you have to pass. And then there are also some psychological tests that you have to pass. Are you thinking about enlisting on there isn't an UNIN- women out there to protect us than we? I prefer to stay in my playground. There is a cut off in an age waiver. What's the oldest navy seal? There's I mean I've been out of instructing for a while so I'm not current on if the latest if anyone else's come through but the oldest that I know of is a guy who is Thirty seven years old thirty seven. I missed my cut off. But he was also ordered. He was also a former Rica Marine. Oh Yeah we're for about thirteen years. Before he came over to the side and so he he became a seal at thirty seven. Yes and then. How long would he stay in I believe he's still in actually. He's a commander One of the highest levels so I spent a good part of six months convincing Sam that there was no Swimming in the ocean. Sharks won't attack you. They don't like humans and then the day before she's about to do or certification dive. Someone gets attacked twenty miles from the location like started dating. I never went into the ocean lakes. Nothing like fish scared the shit out of me. So how'd you get over your fear? Water is the fear of water. Just what's in the water? Gnc The freak me out So when we first started dating we went on our first trip together. Costa Rica snorkeling trip. I'm like well Shit. That means I have to get into water. You know so you thought you were going to go to Costa Rica and just relax little. Did she know little. Did she know we get on this boat? We go out there. Everyone's put her snorkel gear on joke than in all these fish in here. Now really getting freaked out you know and I wouldn't go in. I refused. I'm like I'm not doing it. He's like help me out here. Well once we get out of the boat and mind you these Fisher. Parrot fish trigger fish Angel Fish. You're probably thinking like river monsters. Watch don't like a foot long shiny color fish and So we get out there and I I get into water. I show her. It's safe and then I'm trying to coax Sam in the water so he knows right. Now I paid for this trip. Go well how long. How long have you been dating at that point? I think like six months. It was about six months. That was the maker break point. You good our our trying to coax her into water. Being Nice get our excursion would have been over. He's dramatizing us. I can and it was the greatest thing ever been out of the water. A aren't you happy? Everybody needs a little push. Little Push Water Ski Slope. You're not living until you're out of your comfort is a whole nother. I'm okay. We're still working on skiing. We've got a long time to go skiing. Don't give up now Pontiac. Time Sambo's aren't native to the So no climate you give us a little bit of San Diego Seal Tori Salad. So where San Diego obviously military town but this is where you did your seal training this is where you also trained right over there in Coronado. That is correct. It's funny because after like when I come to San Diego all you see is the sun and the ocean palm trees. And you're like this is beautiful but once you get into buds training or the funny thing is people look at San Diego and they see palm trees and ocean and they think oh man. This water must be eighty degrees but the Pacific Ocean is relatively cold. I mean averages about sixty degrees all year round so the first time you get to buds and somebody tells you hit the surface like no big deal and then you hit the water and you're like Oh this is actually kind of cold so after a while you just build up this hate for water in sand so pretty much going to the beach. That's nothing that we ever wanted to go anymore unless we're going to go scuba diving. We don't just relax on the beach. Not Fun for Mike now so if I go to the Beach. I usually take a chair in a very large umbrella cooler and I'll just plant the umbrella in the sand doesn't burn. We're full rash guard puts zinc out my nose there and then she's just sprawled out like this bikini total office. That's on that one but definitely after you go through sealed training it gives you this this ugly thought in your head every time someone says let's go get into water just because all you can think about her all those long nights that you were just out there swimming. Two Miles Open Ocean at night. No lights yeah. That's great idea. Great Idea Great. Even the instructors say shark attack videos from shark before he got no water and then you got one instructor in the back. Who's fishing in the boat? Cutting up fishing there on the Chum in the water out there so you and you're an instructor no instructor for you. I was actually well. You know I I. I had a long ten years as an instructor. So well I. I did. Three years as a Active duty seal and then they hired me back as a civilian contractor so I spent several years after that so I do have one of the longest ten years as a Davey. Sealed Buds instructor between being on active duty and civilian But just like anything like teaching or if you're a football coach you first get there. You're Kinda that guy that's like all right. I'm going to change everything and you kind of think that yelling and screaming and pointing and been radic as a way to break into someone's psyche motivate them and that's not always the case. I mean if you look at some of the greatest football coaches bill check. Yeah you'll see the guy get mad and angry but you don't see them going ballistic on the sidelines over there. You gotta be cool calm. Marine course. Seals are a little different in that aspect. I think it's more this with conventional and special operators and like I said it's just like a boot camp. I mean when you take a person that has no training and as no military discipline. There's only one way to instill military dissovled completely. I exactly so as far as when I was an instructor I would say I was tough but I was fair. I was always tough on individual. It'd be I I would hold the standard. There's a standard for buds there. Every evolution has a passing time. Or there's a certain number of reps that you have to do and or a certain procedure that you have to follow and I would follow that procedure to the book. And if that student could perform that procedure in prescribe time or in a prescribed manner. Then they would pass at the end of the day. You don't want a student that you wouldn't want to be a team right. Exactly exactly having been a seal. You know that you're preparing them for the ultimate battle in in the you know the reality of it. All is some of the guys that I put through training when I was in active duty. I had to go to war with them. I deployed with them and I went to war with them after. You are an instructor and you come back to the team. That's when you really learn your critique of how good of an instructor you are because you hear it from the guys who actually made it and I mean there is a level of you know a bullshit you got to put up a navy seal training any special operations training is an easy like you know going into. It's going to be hard. You know I feel like if you want to pursue a job as an NFL player you know going to training camp is going to suck. It's going to be hard. It's the same thing in a sealed teams. You know it's going to be hard you know it's going to suck so there's just a level of suck it up that you have to deal with so that's what you have to have you know in your your mindset before you even step foot on buds. If you think you're going to go in there it's funny. You see the movie. Sometimes you know guys who are like you can't break me. You can't hurt me. I'm going to show up here and I'm GONNA crush everybody. That just doesn't happen. You're a human. You're human. I can sit there with a boat filled with ice and you can be the strongest guy you can be the fastest runner the fastest swimmer. You may think that you are the best athlete in the world and I could just sit there and run iterations all right get in the ice boat sitting there for five minutes come out for thirty seconds for five minutes thirty seconds. Eventually you will break. Is Everyone break? I mean everyone has a breaking point. It's not like our. You know our goal in training is to break you down and and just break your psyche down so much that that that we're telling you that you know you're broken. I mean really. We break you down to a point to let you to humble you. It breaks you down to your point the humble you and it basically let you know how much your body can actually put up with so we have a saying that when when your body wants to give up or when your mind gives up you still have percent in the tank so once you reminded giving up you can still put out sixty percent more effort than you think you can. I'm always hesitant of that word when people use it when they say private. What's that I'm a private private person from from my experience What that means is. I'm a person that doesn't like to expose what I've actually done in my life. Yeah total prickly. I've never met one person in my life said. I'm a private person I've been like. Wow I wanNA hang out this person again. One hundred percent. You know yeah. It was pretty much the worst thing you could like you as a human suck suck as a person. Yup I don't like interacting with other human beings who are then going to ask me questions about my decisions that's correct and I don't have answer for the best hiking far Sean actually like this hike probably the most just. Because it's I had never done it and I've lived in San Diego my whole life and it's just an incredible three hundred sixty degree view of downtown. San Diego Coronado Mexico. Yeah it's a great view the hallway hikes around here. You know you'll have a good view at the top Yup but during the approach. There's not a whole lot to see Chapman. Hey that's amazing. That's there is to do in San Diego. You know a lot of San Diego residents. Don't yes what did you say? Oh Yeah especially advantage. I mean we started getting into the you know the hiking scene out here. There's so many different trails and you can hike there's so many different environments as well which make it awesome. You know there's actually you know you can hike out system ninety foot waterfalls. You can hike. You know out in Breglio springs through the desert and in the mud caves and you got some local hikes like this outlook. Yeah amount lagoon is very nice. I mean you can actually drive an hour from downtown San Diego you know in the wintertime and being a snow at modeling GonNa Incredible. I trust my confined. The top of this mountain was the point man. You were appointment. So how many different positions are there? Well I if you break it down on football terms how many how many seal team well. It's a lot different on a seal team because there's no struck their is structure but each mission is independent itself. So I mean you could do a reconnaissance mission where you only send out for individuals and you could do a hostage rescue mission where you have upwards of sixty individuals sixty wow. What's the most you've been on? I mean as far as just seals. I've been on missions where we've had over fifty seals on commission but you always have supporting people that are standing by to help you out in any mission that you do in special operations you're GonNa have assistance from the army and from the Marines. And you're always going to have a quick reaction force who staged just in case something goes wrong so usually teams a lot. We use like the Army Rangers as our cure. F- or the Army Special Forces Green Berets Cure. F- sometimes let's Marines quick-reaction fourth which means what what's their responsibilities. Go ahead until Shell Intel please. I'm catching my race. No Quick Quick. I was just trying to right into the conversation. Pretty lady the Q R s is just a quick reaction force. Basically any mission you go on. If mission something happens and goes awry which happens on every single mission. Something comes up. That's unexpected there. Who's GonNa come in and rescue you or aid support to you on that mission? So if you take thirty guys and you go down a village and all of a sudden there's five hundred people combatants in that village I surrender. You're GONNA have a quick reaction force. They can come in. It's really important in the movie lone survivor on the mission operation red wings. They were out on a reconnaissance with only four guys on that mission but when they got contacted they sent in the Quick Reaction Force in helicopters which seal team quick-reaction force came in there. And then you know the Army Senate a Quick Reaction Force in there too. Also the marines came in with a quick reaction for us so it was a joint effort to get those guys out of the mountains in your pockets. Brisket in your pockets cobbler. Don't go on any HIKE WITHOUT DON'T WHY. I'm not losing weight. It's so weird. I was going to try that new peach Cobbler Diet. Peach Cobbler Kito friendly. It's Kito Bruton. Yeah just don't read any of the ingredients on don't ask us for Calorie counts either. See this yeah this would be the seal path. Ceo Pass. He'll pass to seal path. This is his civilian path. Because I remember this being so much harder like I remember eating shit on your shit. I got up there and pulled on a hike. You're pissed on unheralded. I just moved to Eastlake and Chula Vista and I don't want to end up on next door being the guy that broke all the past trails. If there's one thing they're serious about in California it's environmental this is true. God knows how all these animals lived here before they had signs on the trail. Do the Mike. We did where you bungee. Jump off of at and hike. Yeah the Bridge to Nowhere Bridge to nowhere. Where's that up in San Bernardino National Forest? It's by a Zuza. North OF LA. Really cool but they have an old bridge out there. That got washed out. Leave in the thirties. And you can you have to hike out to. I think it's four six mile hike and they have the Bungee jumping station out there where you can bungee jump off for a fee. Of course. It's pretty cool though. Yeah actually when we were out there. We found a lost hiker nowhere. You're actually we actually have footage of the whole thing. We we actually got to get that video together and release. We'll joke because he came out of the woods back and he's got no shirt he's bloody scratches everywhere just dripping blood anyways yellen help joke just messing with us. The first he was like on so we were on a trail in literally twenty five feet from a river and he was asking if you knew where we were. If there's any water and I was looking over twenty feet away succeed gun separated from this group that morning wondered off and had been lost for what like six or seven. Oh yeah no water. No food he definitely went past the point man course I land navigation and he made some very very bad decisions very important to make sure that you're giving your body the proper nourishment food better way. Never let that go to waste now. A proper gentleman is offers the food woman. I Aldea really surely eight way worse than my days in a bar that murray bars. They're freaking awesome especially without dirt on them. They taste great. I mean it really does absent. Spicer narrow office dirt-covered offer Sean. One that doesn't have dirt on it. That is a good move. The top is near Yes. Isn't that like every time you're hiking? Yes you right there. I remember we were in Sicily one time on one of my deployments it's before nine eleven and it was over Christmas break so it was like two weeks to just basically kick around in Sicily Italy and there's this volcano called Mount Etna. Yup and you can hike up to the top of it so we were like all right. Let's plan out a little excursion. We're going to go up to the volcano and a couple of guys like go outside and look like let's just go right from the bottom like well. Now you can drive up halfway. Then we'll hike up a couple of thousand and the guys they're like no way. Let's start from the bottom. So then he started looking at a map. Topa graphical map. You know you're looking in there and you're like well. I mean unless you went to hike up you know eight thousand feet today. Then I would suggest that we just take the road and then hike. Halfway up about this point man suggestion. Has the point man suggestion? Give them out and of course. Of course the other guys right. There's no way that whole mounts only two feet so you pulled out like adding nearly so definitely when you're you know you're out hiking and you're doing orienteering always double check on a map or on your GPS before you get on the trail. So what good is a cellphone on a hike? If you don't get reception. What tools can use? Well if you like anything else I mean even if you have two broken legs you can still crawl Yup. And eventually at some point you'll get reception difference between you. You can bleed out and under an hour so if for some reason you did get attacked by mountain lion or had a compound fracture and cut your artery. If you add your cell phone on you and you could at least make half a mile to spot where you could get reception in. Your cars parked three miles away. They can land a helicopter right here and save your life under an hour. So is this fair to say this is the most physically exerting podcast not even not even within not even close even close. Well there was another one. I had to get out of the car shit but now shit. We've taken this mobile podcast to a whole new level like that time we were hiking out of the Grand Canyon Story. I don't think so. So this is why. Don't trust Mike still were you do trust. He says Oh. We're going to go to the Grand Canyon early going to hike a little bit here to Grand Canyon. Little going down to get some. You say we're just getting a little bit of the way all the tourist you know. We're five miles then and I'm like what are we turning around right? We got to the Ranger Station where they stop you and they give you the brief. If you don't have another water you have to have enough water. And they tell you if a helicopter has come down and get you. It doesn't matter if it's your fault or not you're paying at least fifteen thousand dollars out of your pocket really. That's a good brief like we're turning around right. He's like no. You're going to hike the whole thing from Rim to win. I'm like are you sitting here right now? There's a bar at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. The best consumer not here but they still beer. Yes yeah so they get down to the bottom and it turns out so people who do want to hike for them. You can hike down to the bottom. They have like A. What do you call and say down there like a campsite? So people normally stay down there for a couple of days. You know then hike out so I thought that's what we were going to do. We did not be pushing after two beers. You're just playing it by ear. It took what one thousand nine hours straight. Yeah did you pack for Hake? Yeah this is all I had this tax. We actually knew how far you're going light. And I saw where the water stations were brought some bars. Nine Elev- go in our pictures on so happy and excited the first like five miles and then on like mile what twelve. I'm like in tears in Piss and like don't talk to me. It was dark when we left and it was dark when we got back when we left at the top of the mountain I mean it was fairly cold out by the time we got to the to the bottom in the basin made a thermometer down there in the camp say and it was ninety five degrees so so yeah definitely. Don't attempt it in the summertime. Definitely I I would go in either spring or fall would be the best right to the top that we did it all right. It's I lay down only got about eighteen miles ago. All right everybody hydrate here. I should have brought eighteen more miles water. Fix Any hot spots feet. It's incredible the country the way that we were founded and today's March third. It's a data vote. We're on top of the mountain on Tuesday Doing Business Marketing podcast talking about forge talking about the Murph challenge. I mean this is digital hospitality at its best. I mean we met each other because of connection on Yelp that you guys got you to a restaurant and thankfully like the food that you had tagged us on Instagram. And we were just talking on the hike up that no matter what business you're in you're not digital you're gonNA miss out on opportunities like this and that's to forge an ultimate friendship in connection with another business owner with other entrepreneurs with people that are doing for great causes and I mean. The murph challenged the campaigns. That you guys do. There's a reason. Why so many people are drawn to your brand and I know that it's not just a logo. It's not just words on a t-shirt it means so much more and it's back to the flag and it's back to forge which is on your hat. It's back to the MERV everything you do. You're waiting for an email right now. You're working literally as we're hiking here waiting on your designer to help you put into production the next Murph challenge so that you can continue to further your mission which is doing good for veterans. Appreciate those words Eric. If I could give advice that the year out there Sean is saying take advantage of all of the digital marketing content out there even your facebook instagram. Twitter's all that stuff is really free to set up. You know getting on Yelp and tripadvisor being able to promote your business. It's it's literally free to set up and you gotTa create that grassroots movement. I you have to get that core audience. No business ever grows without that core audience so getting those core customers to come into your restaurant core customers that really believe in your brand that no. It's more than just putting an American flag on a shirt. Anybody can put an American flag on his shirt. Which you gotta give meaning to that shirt. There's dedication and sacrifice and lots of adversity. That's been overcome in this brand and your brand in any good success story out there. You have to build an audience that really believe in core your product and you have to deliver a quality product. You have to give them a reason to one in your product to spread the word to other people you know exactly if someone really believes in your pricey if someone goes to a bad restaurant and they have a bad experience. Where do they do? They go tell their friends. Don't ever go in. That place was terrible. It was cold if they have a good experience. Where do they do they get on Yelp? And you're like Oh my God. This was the best experience I ever had. So if someone has a bad experience they're going to talk about. Some has a good experience. They're going to talk about it so I wanted to be on the top tier that conversation. You're absolutely right. And if it wasn't for us as business carrying about every single customer that came in before him before you guys even came into the restaurant if we didn't have a strong yelp profile. We didn't have strong reviews. We didn't have great photos of our food. You wouldn't have gone. You wouldn't even come to Spring Valley. I mean we're off the beaten path. And that's one of the things that we talk about every week on digital hospitality. We want to show entrepreneurs business owners people that are in a position to do things for their company that there's an incredible world on the Internet that allows people to get to know your brand steps just the surface. That's one part. That's the digital part. The hospitality part is this. There's human side of the human element the human story which you guys stand for. Not by the things that are on the next year but the things that are on the inside the way that you live their life the way that you post every day the things that you support and you support things no matter if they're controversial or not because it's true to you and true to your right you know you can't be scared of it and I think that's one of the biggest things that I run into. Entrepreneurs and business owners is that they're scared that their employees or their staffs are going to post something about their business and that is going to bring all this negative attention to their business or as an owner that they're going to get criticized for taking a stand or you know. We're a CHARGERS BAR. And yes when the chargers left and we said that we were still a chargers far all the people that are anti chargers they came out. Us. They came out of trolls at the Internet. They came out. We stood strong for who we are and who he believed in and we've made a stance we made a stance that the New York Times came out and they wrote an article that came out in the front pages of Sports Sports Beige with New York. New York Times talking about our restaurant. That's amazing which is incredible. But that's only because we're willing to take a stand you know you guys are willing to take a stand to do things that you believe in because of what you fought for. But you fought words. I think that's the most exciting thing about the world that we live in is that there's so much opportunity for small business owner midsize business owner to get all kinds of exposure for their business. But they have to be willing to put in that work and you even said that you are you know. Social media was something that was difficult for you and Sam helped you. You know like the partnership that you guys have now creating content because it's not people look at it from the outside and like Oh. This is incredible. You have all these followers. There's all these people they love your brand talk about the behind the scenes work that it takes to actually the tones followers took time to build that content and being the face of your you know people want associated face with the brand and no. You're living what you're the message that you're putting out there. And we always say we are forged. What does that mean in court? You definitely have to live your brand. There's this like you said Sean said there's a lot of people out there that'll just tell you. Hey this is a great place to go. This is a great company. But if you can't relate to that company if you don't give your customer something to WanNa comeback for you're not GonNa Hook that customer in you have to give them something back it it. It's if somebody comes to my website they want to go through that website and they wanna feel like they'd better themselves just by being on that website they WANNA go to. Sean restaurant and come out of there and be like well. You know what that was a great meal and Sean came over and talked to me and he just told me about smoking. Ribs are his great barbecue sauce. Which you gotta try the Barbecue Jalapeno sauces from Kelley Comfort. Barbecue concerns here. Sam Drinks stuff like Bud Light. It's definitely great but but seriously you have to. You have to give your customers something you have to give them some value. They have to feel like when they come to your website or they support your brand that. There's some added value to your life and by doing that. You have to get out and you have to live your brand i. It's not easy you know. They'll saying they have to seal team's you're not living until you're out of your comfort zone. If it was easy to start a business then everybody would do it. But it isn't and I. It's even harder to run your business successfully. I I've been doing Ford's now for twelve years and I still a learning curve today. We're working walking up the hill ray. Here I'm waiting. For the murph designs to get finalized. We've got other projects running. You can never stop working as an entrepreneur. People will look at you as not to be near a big. That's great you get to travel and work schedule. But you're always working. You're always working if you're not working you're putting everyone below you at risk all of your employees. Everyone it's under. Us At risk. If you're not working so you do have a lot of weight on your shoulders to keep that company flow and keep your company productive and keep growing twenty twenty-eight Murph challenge with if you're not familiar with the merchant challenge is a fitness related workout. That is based off of the hero. Wad Murph which is in honor of navy seal Michael Murphy who was awarded the Medal of honor during Operation Red Wings. The workout consist of a one mile. Run ONE HUNDRED PULL UPS. Two hundred push ups three hundred squats and another one mile run. And if that's not enough to kick your ass then you can add a twenty pound weight vest while you do all of those runs and all of those workout programs and you don't need to be a navy seal. You don't need to be a professional athlete. Could be like me and Mike is going to give us some tips on how to actually Get prepared for the Murph. Yeah it can definitely be intimidating If you're not in physical shape or even if you're just an average civilian and you don't like to do a lot of pull ups or pushups if you take a look at it you're like well a hundred I rule is. You don't have to do everything in a row. Most people can look at it and they're like I can't do one hundred pull ups in a row. I can probably count the people on one hand. Who can do one hundred pull ups in a row especially with twenty pound weight vest on so when you look at it? Don't get intimidated by you. Just break it down in proportion out the exercises I wouldn't say to proportion out the run definitely do the mile run all at once. But as far as the pull ups push ups and squats go An easy formula that people like to do and I usually do. This is I. Break it down into twenty sets so we'll do twenty sets of five pull ups ten push ups and fifteen squats so you just keep repeating that cycle again and again and again and a little tip to help you out because once your brain starts sweating and turning to mush because of all of the hard workout you're going through and all the versity hits you you'll be like Zion set. Seven was I answered eleven. I can't remember you know your your mind will probably be be telling you you're on eleven but your body's really telling you set seven so if you can take a piece of chalk write it on the floor take a little pad with. You're writing your phone but have something. Use some rocks. Whatever you want to have something to count out all of your reps for you and all of your sets for you. It makes it a lot easier to do proper push up. What's the proper Porsche? Proper push up. I can demonstrate a proper. Push Up. Here it's easier to tell from the side so if I get in a proper push-up position here I wanNA have my back straight and my head up and I'm going to go down to touch my chest to the deck. I'm all the way down and then I'm gonNA come completely back up so a proper push-up demonstrated with look like this now. If you can't do a proper push up you can scale the exercise and you could do a push up on your knees so if you have to push on your knees. Everyone's familiar with just go down. Keep your knees on the ground and you can do push ups like this now. Don't be intimidated to start. If you can't do a proper push up and you have to push ups on your knees. That's fine. Just keep working on doing push ups on your knees until you can do a proper push up and I wouldn't even let that intimidate you enough to not do the Murph challenge if you have to do the entire. Murph challenge all of the pushups into Murph challenge on your knees. That's fine you can scale the entire workout if you have to but just keep building on that and building on that so the next year. Maybe you can do half immersed challenge with regular pushups in half with pushups on your knees. Eventually you will be able to do the entire merge challenge with the proper pushups proper pull ups and proper squats so some points of performance for for doing a proper body weight squat. Is You understand what you shoulder width apart. Make sure all of the weight is back on your heels. So if you can lift your toes off the ground or wiggling your in a proper position so the first thing you WanNa do is kick your butt out. Kick your butt out. You want squat down until your knees or at a ninety degree angle so just think if you were to put a marble on your knee it should roll back so a little less than ninety degrees. And then you're gonNA come up until you're standing straight up now. I'M GONNA COME BACK. Down Ninety degrees and backup little less than ninety degrees back up so April first. Twenty Twenty Murph challenge registration opens. And you've given us some great tips for civilian like me to know that I actually can participate and give back I'm really excited. I really appreciate the time all the tips that you guys here. On top of Mothers since mother. Miguel we appreciate it as well and Stars. GonNa out to challenge fellow forged. Follow everything we everything we talked about it today. We'll be in the show notes Please be sure to follow these guys on. All their social handles reach out By some rod gear It'll help you every single day. 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Seed Banking A Floristic Province, Naomi Fraga Of California Botanic Garden

Cultivating Place

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Seed Banking A Floristic Province, Naomi Fraga Of California Botanic Garden

"This is cultivating place. I'm jennifer joel as we continue our series exploring some of the people and groups looking out for the integrity and prosperity of seed in our world. We moved to southern california. Where dr naomi fraga serves as the director of conservation programs at the california botanic garden established in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven by our founders susanna bixby bryant and she really had a great vision to establish an institution that would display california native plants for education purposes but also to provide a research resource and she really is saw conservationists being first and foremost mission of the garden their conservation programs include field studies laboratory studies a restoration nursery and seed banking and conservation. Dr frigging joined me in conversation from her home and garden in southern california earlier this year. Welcome thank you for having me. I'm really happy to talk with you today. As the director of conservation programs at california botanic garden which was previously known as rancho santa. Ana would he do naomi. What does that consist of will add calvary botanic garden. I direct the conservation programs which encompasses a wide array of activities ranging from field research. That's primarily focused on rare plants to genetic research to population genetics. Or how platts might be related to one another. We also do a lot of restoration activities. Propagating plants for different types of restoration projects and we're also involved in in base of plant management and removal But one of the centers of our program is our seed conservation program which includes the california seed bank which is the largest city bank dedicated to california native plants in the whole world and so it's really tremendous resource for conservation because we're banking seeds primarily of california plants native plants and with the goal to really see bank the whole flora eventually so this is just a tremendous resource for conservation and research because in digital seed represents a unique tino type a unique genetic individual and so we really have billions of individuals of california plants stored in freezers In this relatively small room to really advance conservation and understanding of native plants. Let's go back just a tiny bit. Tell us a little bit about you. Naomi where were you born and raised and who were the earliest and most influential people in places in plants that led you to being a person who would enter your field of work in this place. In this time while. I am a native of southern california. I was born and raised in los angeles county just about twenty minutes west of the garden. So i'm local to the area and growing up actually didn't know that the garden existed at all wasn't a resource or replace that i knew about where i could learn about native plants and i would say in my childhood growing up. I didn't really have an understanding or a connection to the native of california. I would be what you would call a pretty typical urban suburban kid who grew up amongst lawns and concrete channels in southern california and didn't really have the sense of the natural world. My family. I love my family to death but we didn't have a lot of opportunities to explore nutricia. Kid my dad's a truck driver and he says he. He kind of worships pavement and he's not the biggest nature lover and so we took some vacations to national parks and explore nature to some degree. But i didn't really have a deep connection or understanding about the plant. The local plants in my environment. It did start a guardian when i was a teenager probably around age fifteen. My parents allowed me to dig up a patch of our very nicely manicured saint augustine lawn and that was really one of my first introduction to plant and purchase my plants at the local big box store where none of them were native and i didn't really even understand that there were plants that are indigenous to a place that don't require supplemental irrigation. It's amazing for me to think that how that concept can be so divorced from you when you don't observe down on a daily basis. No one's ever told you and all you see is launching best being watered and or plants in containers that need constant watering and just knowing that southern california's very hot and dry location and and it was just something. That was hard for me to imagine. But i was the first person in my family to go to college and i went to a local school. I was pretty typical commuter student to the local cal. State university cal poly pomona. And i didn't start off as a biology major. I thought i was going to be a social worker. So steadying behavioral science and i took a psychology class that focused more on the the biological aspect of the brain. And that's when i knew i always liked biology. And that's when i know i really need to become a biology major because i feel like fat is where my passion is and i don't know what i'm gonna do but i'll figure it out and so i switched. My major biology and i was really interested in marine biology and fighter plankton and i was looking for volunteer opportunities anywhere around california where i could just southern california is somewhere near my neighborhood where i can just get some kind of experience that would open some doors or give me more information about what i could career and i stumbled upon this botanic garden. That was fifteen minutes. Away from school rancho santa ana botanic garden and they had an email address on the website and it was just you know. Google was fairly new. Then this was an early two thousands. And i sent an email and took them a little while to get back to me but eventually they got back to me in a started at the garden as an undergraduate volunteering in our herbarium. And that was really you know. Obviously the garden has fundamentally changed my life because now i have a phd button. And i'm directing which you know. I was always interested in nature and conservation and then i found this institution that linked those things and they introduced me to the plant world and i felt like my whole my whole world had been opened up and expose me to this whole side of california. Had no sense about being someone born and raised in california not knowing that we have more kinds plants than any other state in the united states. That it's incredibly rich and diverse important for plant diversity. The more i continue to learn about plants the more. I recognize how deprived i was of understanding. They place in the world and wear a existed And so it's really important for me now. In my professional career. I do a lot of work training interns and giving talks at my high school since i am still local and i can go back there and try to lead. The students know path. And how i came to be a botanist and that hopefully they'll reach out to me you know so. I was very shy and intimidated student. And i'm kind of surprised at myself. Just knowing who i was i took a chance and just like cold emailed institution ask about volunteer opportunities especially being a first generation college student and not really having a lot of direction. I'm really grateful to my mentor. Steve boyd he was the curator of the herbarium and he gave me a lot of confidence. by just giving me opportunities and encourage me encouraging me to continue that i think was incredibly important to make growth as botanist. If someone had said oh. We don't have volunteer opportunities. You don't have any experience. I just would have been discouraged. And it wouldn't have known which way to go. But i had people who saw that i had enthusiasm and energy had no experience but the will to learn and they took that and gave me opportunities all along the way and with that i took every single opportunity that came my way and also able to grow and so that's been very important to me. That is such a great story. Naomi lake my my skin. Kind of you know teen goals with this like how that was the universe and you like coming together to to put you on the path that you're on. It's it's fantastic so you go on you finish your undergraduate work. You're you're involved with rancho santa ana. Now cal g that whole time you go on to get your phd. And botany. i know you have a particular love maybe in your your studies. Do you wanna talk about that. A little bit sure. Well i actually. I got a master's degree and a ph d. And both of the kinds of research did within those degree programs really link with my current an ongoing love of california plants and the kind of research that i'm generally interested in for my dissertation work studied monkey flowers In the formerly gina stimulus. Never been some taxonomic changes that actually occurred during my dissertation which i was involved in which is a whole other story but i also did permit master's degree i did flourish stick research which is basically plant geography and that is to document all the plants that occur in a particular region and that really extends to a lot of my current working switches basically to understand the diversity of plants that occur in california. Where do they grow their natural history. what art and i do. A lot of work can plant conservation where i'm trying to understand. Why plants rare. What are the threats rancho. Santa ana now california botanic corden is both a display garden that people can visit and walk around and it is also a research and conservation organization throughout our state. And i'm guessing that this is throughout the floor ristic province as a whole or just the political boundaries of the state naomi. it is through the flir stick province as a whole so we have representation. In our living collections from northern baja california and throughout the state of california so it's the california province which includes a northern baja california but then also the whole state of california which includes areas outside the flourishing sick province namely our desert so the mojave desert the sonoran desert and a great basin desert so we encompassed. Both of those things is very california. State of california in california i it prominence right and remind listeners. Why is of interest to the whole world that we study and understand. The california flourished stick province shirl california flourish stick provinces considered a biodiversity hotspot. And so it's One of the many mediterranean regions of the world where there's high levels of diversity but also high levels of intimacy. So that's to say that there is about one third of the plants that occur in california or restricted to the either the flourished province for the state of california and so because we have plants that are restricted within our boundaries a high percentage relatively high to jetted around thirty percent. We are the stewarts of those plants. Those plants are sort of our responsibility to carry on to ensure that that legacy of diversity carries entre future generations and a lot of that has to do with the climate. We have such varied climate. Where we along the coast. You have the fog belt and you may be have more precipitation as you get you know. We have the sierra nevada. Which are this amazing mountain range. And we have alpine zones and heavy snow and then get on the other side of the mountains and you have this rain shadow that creates this vast desert. And you have all these geologic diversity across all these mountain ranges and just the topa graphic complexity with You know very high elevations and low valleys. Have not whitney death valley All kind of not very far from one another And so all of those things combined topography geology. She diversity and climate and sort of a also having a relatively large area in our state is so large means that we have just an incredible wealth of plant diversity that occurs here california's really like a living laboratory and people from all over the world. Come to steady our plants because it's so complex and interesting and many studies taking place looking at how climate change might shift plant distributions. Are plants moving up the mountain down the mountain. You know what what is happening in our world and california and that can certainly be applied or we could think about what's happening in our state to to think about our changing planet and how plants might respond to the climactic shifts. I'm jennifer dual and this is cultivating place. I'm speaking today with dr. naomi frago director of conservation programs at california botanic garden until march of twenty twenty. The garden was known. As the rancho santa ana botanic garden. We'll be right back for more. Stay with us. knew me. Freighter describes california as a living laboratory a microcosm from which to learn about our larger world and patterns of change. The garden is devoted to the collection cultivation study and display of native california plants and to graduate training and research in plant systematics and evolution california with over six thousand tax Of native plants has the richest flora of any state in the continental united states and their conservation priorities at cal. G are achieved by growing plants in the living collection and maintaining an extensive seed bank with long term storage and facilities for research. This encapsulates their multipronged approach to this work. Interestingly california also has the most diverse human population in the us according to a twenty twenty study ranking diversity along a wide variety of metrics including socioeconomic household and cultural diversity. There are so many rich plant life opportunities in that exact intersection of spectacular biodiversity of people and biodiversity of plants. I love how one example of this is illustrated in a variety of ways. In naomi's own story my takeaway. It's never too late to channel your inner plants person or to nurture this in another. It's never too late to love and no plants. Cultivating plays is likewise a living laboratory gathering and nurturing a great diversity of plant and garden stories from around the world. Really thank you for those of you who have stepped up to support this work and sustain it into its next five years. I truly could not gather and grow these stories and amplify them out into the world without your generous contributions. I know if you're living in the us you've been bombarded with requests for money recently. So let me just say thank you again to all of you who have supported we are just eight donors shy of our challenge for one hundred new donors in the second half of twenty twenty and i am so grateful for your votes of confidence and belief in the importance of this garden. Work if you'd like to take part and be a supporter. Follow the support button at the top of any page at cultivating place dot com and. Hey keep growing. My friends keep growing the days and possibilities as a result are real and they are hopeful together. We grow a better world. We're back now to our conversation with naomi. Freda director of conservation programs the california botanic garden in claremont california since its founding in nineteen twenty seven. The garden has included seed collecting and seed banking as part of. Its work as we come back. Dr frigo explains the different branches of work in the conservation programs. She directs welcome back in field studies. It's basically field research on the ground to understand the plants of california. So we're out there gathering data collecting specimens and sometimes we even find and describe new species to our state. We're oftentimes finding new rare plant populations and documenting those and making that information widely available land managers and state different kinds of agencies in our laboratory program. We have a molecular lab and we also have an anatomy lab and so we have some very state of the equipment to address plant conservation in in very more high tech ways than sort of just boots on the ground observing and recording and understanding. And so we can look at genes and we can look at morphology at the microscopic level. We have a scanning scanning electron scope. We can also section plants and look at their individual cells. We can also look at their chromosomes and so gathering. This data might provide us with more information about the plants biology that might inform their conservation. It's really great. Have these research tools to allow us to address plant conservation in a variety of ways. And then we have the plant nursery which is really an incredible tool for plant conservation because we take plants out of the wild environment. Maybe we collect seeds or cuttings and we're growing in cultivation. There's so much that we can learn In terms of gathering data on horticultural requirements supplants. That might shed light on. How plants exist in nature. What are their growing requirements. What do they require. Rejuvenation swap intended to experiments to see how we can germinate there sees whether they require smoke. Fire acid treatment. You know all these different mechanisms step. Plants need to allow them to grow. Maybe there is a question about plant reproduction. And we want to know. If plant can produce seeds by self pollinating we grow those plants in the nursery and do simple experiments to do either cross pollination or flowers to prevent pollination to see if they produce route so we can do those kinds of studies we can also do common garden studies in her nursery where we might compare plants from two different locations and grow them under the same growing conditions to see if differences we see in nature or result of genetics or environment. And then we might also just need to grow plants for various restoration efforts and so we have a lot of degraded lands and You know seeing those degraded lands You know that's very difficult to get restoration going from seeds. Because the invasive species oftentimes need seeds and so establishing with container plants right now seems to be the most successful. we're up in times propagating plants in containers to be put out onto degraded wildland to help with the restoration. So when you're talking about. The restoration of degraded lands is that work that is initiated by cal. Bg or are you working in partnership with like cal. Trans or c. n. p. s. or or. Maybe it's a combination of both. It's oftentimes combination of both and there are some projects where we're interested in learning more about best practices in restorations. We might apply for a grant to do a specific kind of restoration experiment but then oftentimes were growing plants under contract for different organizations so it might be something like cal trans or a different conservation organization or an agency like the forest service. That has a restoration project and they need a a nursery to grow plants for their project and so we actually have a very successful program in partnering with other organizations to provide implants for the restoration projects in the nursery. Also retail for people that come to the garden is that correct yes so earnestly serves several purposes. So we do. These contract rose frustration and or for own restoration projects but then we have another arm of the nursery that propagates plants for garden in our living collection and for research but then that arm at the garden also propagates plans for our retail nursery. And so yeah. We're growing very diverse purposes and we kind of had space somewhat partitioned within the actual nursery space. We have the restoration. Nursery in kind of the other. Nursery activities are led by other members. But obviously there's collaboration within the space. Yeah into then tell us just a little bit about the seed program. How long has the seed conservation in seed bank work been going on and what are its current holdings. Right now certainly. The seat program is in some ways. One of the newer programs. I called and i think because in the one thousand nine hundred twenty s people didn't know a lot about native plants and seed conservation And really see. Concentration of native plants started taking off in probably the late seventies or eighties and we used to store seeds in jars and just a room or sort of ambient temperature before you know before we established our seed bank and understood or had a better understanding of what could storage requirements are for long term concentration of seeds and it was really in the ninety s when we decided to establish a really proper seed bank with frozen storage And you know have a german nation chamber where we can attest the viability of seeds and really set up more of a laboratory setting for a seed bank. And since that time are seeping has really grown to be the largest and most diverse seeping for california native plants and we have over six thousand different seat dot represent over two thousand different kinds of california native plants stats alone a tremendous resource so there sixty five hundred eight of plants in the state and so obviously the bank is not complete and in fact not all the plants of california can be stored in seed bank because some plants oaks if we collected the seeds and dried them down and tried to store them using those sorts of methods that we typically use. Those seats would die instantly and and so we can only release store. The plants california that had the capability of having the moisture content dried down and to prepare them for storage and then to put them in a freezer. And so how do you handle that to you. The the seeds that are not eligible for long term storage. Do you try and maintain them in living collections or do you just acknowledged that these are plants. That will not be in your collection. We are working to restore some of these in our living collections. so i use the example of oaks. We have some diverse conservation groves at the garden. Were actually collecting acorns from several different mother plants and and tracking those so that when we grow them in the garden we have plants genetically diverse plantings. So it's not. just you know. Sort of randomly collecting acorns growing up a few oaks and planting them out. It's actually very managed collection where we're trying to represent diversity in the collection so it might represent thirty different individuals in the planting and so that's something we're actively working on with oaks and we're actually doing a similar project. This year on california walnut so walnut is another species where the seats can't be stored other plants my lend themselves well to what's called cryopreservation where you can kind of dissect out the embryo in store them in liquid nitrogen. We don't have those kind of at the garden but we're working to partner with other organizations where we can make those collections and had them stored for instance san diego zoo. Global is looking to develop Cryopreservation storage. Wow wow so when you say that you're the largest california native seed bank. What were the other ones. Be and do you work. In collaboration as a network. Yeah we actually do work. in collaboration. As a network so other botanic gardens lake santa barbara botanic garden. San diego zoo global. Uc berkeley i'm therapeutic art in uc santa cruz. There's several organizations that also maintain seeds california native plants and we have formalized a partnership and we have a name or call the california plant rescue and we have a emission unifying mission to conserve the plants of california through c. banking. and so. We're we're working very coordinated fashion and we actually had the goal to initial goal to see bank all the rare plants of california. And we hope to do that. Actually within the next five years since very ambitious and we're working with the california native plant society on that as well we actually have a number of partners and we on regular basis. We have databases to help. Track our work to make sure that we're working in a very coordinated fashion. We're not duplicating effort and we can kind of divide and conquer. Divide up the work and kind of get out during landscape. Make sure that we had the rarest plants of california secured in saved nc banks so all those seeds won't come to the california seed bank be distributed so we kind of have this distributed network of seat banks and then we also sent our seeds as we save a portion of each see collection to a facility in fort collins as backup So that would be the the national germplasm research center there. Yes that's correct. Wow that is admirable and when you say all of the rare plants of california what what numbers are we at in rare plants right now. Knew me while there's about twenty three hundred rare plants in california but we're actually focusing on the wrong categories were using the california native plant. Society maintains an inventory of rare threatened and endangered plants and they have a system of ranking and one of the rarest drink is called one b and the one b plants are those that restricted their mostly restricted to the state of california and they're just had that highest level of rarity as that is more like eighteen hundred. I'm jennifer jewel and this is cultivating place. I'm speaking today with dr naomi. Freida director of conservation programs at the california botanic garden founded in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven in orange county along the banks of the santa ana river for most of its history. The garden was known. As the rancho santa ana botanic garden the facilities moved to los angeles in the nineteen fifties and in march of twenty twenty was renamed california botanic garden to more clearly aligned with its mission. We'll be right to hear more about naomi and the gardens expansive scope of work. Stay with us okay. So thinking out loud this week. Politics has been high on our collective radar these past months. Which is an understatement. And it is whether we wanted it to be or not and while some might say. Gardening should be above politics. It's not and it's certainly not above or outside of legislation. Which brings me to the botany bill that naomi refers to in our conversation. Did you know there a botany bill. I didn't until just a little before. I spoke with naomi a few months back. Now here's the basic information in case you'd like to learn more or get involved once we settle into a new cycle in twenty twenty one. The botany bills are the botanical sciences and native plant materials research restoration and promotion acts including the bipartisan. Hr one five seven two reintroduced into the us house of representatives and s two three eight four reintroduced into the us senate both in two thousand nineteen the botany. Bill promotes botanical research and sciences capacity generates demand for native plant materials and authorizes related federal activities initially a collaborative effort of plant conservation. Alliance non federal cooperators committee. The chicago botanic garden and the garden club of america. This bipartisan legislation allows federal agencies to act with the expertise required to preserve unique american landscapes and emphasizes the importance of protecting native plants and ecosystems. The axe have goals to employ and train botanists in the federal government to fund research and to promote the use of native plants as long as all stakeholders are authentically at this decision making table. This seems like new year's resolutions to me. I will keep you posted. As and when i learn more but just the fact that any public policy includes the word botany and has a focus on native plants and ecosystems protections seems like growth toward the light to me. Here's hoping we're back now. To our conversation with naomi me freighter. Director of conservation programs at the california botanic garden. The seed bank at the garden comprises over five thousand accessions representing more than two thousand california native plant species and cultivars the geographic scope of the cowl bg collection encompasses the entire state of california as well as the mexican portion of the california flurries province. Come back naomi. shares more about how and why plants are determined to be rare and how their seeds are tagged for collection starting with her research. Focus on rare monkey flower. I done a lot of seeking work on monkey flowers since that also happens to be a research. Interest of mine and many monkey. Flowers are rare in california and thinking. Mike monkey flowers presents. Its own special challenged because their seeds are very tiny. They look like tiny specks of dust. And you have to get the timing just right so Especially in the group of monkey flowers. I work with the the fruits open up and the seeds just readily disperse as soon as the ripe and so you have to get the timing just right or else the wind will just blow the seeds away and wind. So we're we do a lotta field trips multiple. It's not just a single field trip to collect seeds because we have to go at the time when their flowering to make sure we have identification correct. We can properly document the population and assess the numbers and what percentage of the population is safe to collect. You know so. We don't impact the population that all we have a lot of rules and guidelines to help us with our work and then we might go a second time and assess the ripeness and maybe we can make a partial see collection but maybe not all the fruits already we might to go back out at third time and then We collect each individual sort of separately to keep those all separate but the monkey flowers. I collect those seeds. We usually put the fruit into a coin envelope. Or some sort of paper sack and these are intended annuals and very very small plants and so all use that kelso creek monkey flower as an example. It's a very small plant about two inches tall and maybe three inches tall at most. And i will collect either a whole individual plant. Because they're so tiny or the fruit. And i'll need to tape the edges of the envelope. A so the seeds fall out of the just little tiny christmas envelope because they're that small so small will we clean the seeds. we also have to clean them carefully by hand because we have a a seed aspirated or unit a blower that Rates the seeds from the chaff using an air column. And we can't actually clean monkey. Flower seeds that way because there's like a mesh bottom in the seeds just fall the mesh bottom. So it's it's very detailed work. Wow so how do you clean them by hand. We just with tweezers. Just separating the seeds from the chaffetz and or using kind of their weight. 'cause they'll be heavier than the material from the drying plant and so you might put him on a paper plate and just kind of like give them a little shake and had them shift to one side of the paper plate very very technical work with paper plates when you first saw or met the kelso creek monkey flower and did you know. It was rare when you first met i did. I did a research project on the kelso creek monkey player. When i was a masters student and i was Working on it for a class project where we were writing conservation plans for rare plants and it was chosen plant. I did research online. And i decided to pick this plant and so i went to take a field trip to see it up close and in person so i knew it was rare. I knew what it looked like and that it was quite special. But when i saw it for the first time even seeing photos of it didn't prepare me for how amazing this plant is and how cute and just just has the striking flower. That's half maroon and half yellow and it has a really interesting shape and it was having a really good lumieres. Actually in two thousand and five. I believe that and it which was An el nino year and so it was just blanketing. The puck the location. Where i went to find it and it just stepped out of my car. I literally open my car door. Step down down in saw a carpet of this. Very rare monkey flower. Well that is so great and is this one of the ones that has remained a menu or is it one of the ones that's moved to dip us it's actually moved to a different genus called erythropoietin. So it's air through chakai. Its new name. Wow and it is. It is an endemic in. It is rare because it only presents itself in one place or because its habitat is under pressure. Lick describe why this one has rare status sexually rare for a combination of reasons. I'm for one. It's restricted to the southern sierra in kern county so has a very small geographic range should occurs around kernville area and on top of that. There's been some development in the area that have caused some populations to go extinct so for instance. The creation of lake. Isabella actually caused at least one population. We know about to no longer occur. And there's also been other agriculture To agriculture developed in the region different orchards and a variety of land use. And there's also been some rural housing development in the region where actual properties have been developed on top of populations and some of the populations occur on private property. That's actively for sale so populations are still threatened with development and is this a an insect pollinated or a wind pollinated plant it's an insect pollinated plant and although i've never seen an insect actually pollinating it on. We can infer that because the the flower is relatively large compared to the body of the plant. So it's pretty much all flour and the leaves are basically microscopic and it has that very showy flower where it scott just amazing color and so it puts tons of energy into producing this really amazingly beautiful flower. You have to think that it's trying to attract some insect and so the first time you successfully collected seed was it. That same year i collected seed the next year so i i spent a year getting familiar with the populations and mapping them and understanding where they occur and sometimes their seed bank work actually requires that a year of some general research and understanding to know where the populations are and then what the best population might be for seed banking only able to see bank one population because a lot of work to see bank each one so we might not be able to do them all. I did a year of surveys to map the population. And the next year i targeted a specific population now was under threat from development to make sure that i had see collections of those in case they might not exist in the future to pull this back full circle using also wreak monkey flower in the context of all of the conservation work. You're doing you identify this plant. You fall in love with this plant you study it and you collect seed you collect one or two individuals. The lab studies work could identify whether or not each different separate population that you have identified of this plant might be just slightly genetically different. Am i right in thinking that. Yeah so we could use the genetic tools to understand how much genetic diversity exists within and between populations so are the population's very different or similar may maybe gene flow happening between the populations and maybe threats have impacted the ability of plants to pollinate between populations and then maybe there's now reduced genetic diversity as a result so the genetic tools would allow us to kind of address those questions and then the collection of the seed would allow you to potentially go to the restoration nursery and work on producing more seed From plants and or plants for sale so that they can get planted out in the garden or in restoration projects or in the home gardening kind of population as well as provide seed to the conservation. Seed bank is that is that right. Yeah that's correct. We can take those seeds and grow them for all those reasons you laid out but then also we might just grow them for research to do different experiments into further. Understand the plant. Wow and is the kelso creek. Monkey flower in In production there for the garden or for sale at the nursery. Or as seed. Or no i wish you was for one. It's an annual plant so it just you know. It doesn't last for very long. But i have tried on numerous occasions to get good germination from the seeds and given that this is an annual that lives in the desert we actually have very low germination rates because the seeds have a dormancy mechanism that allows them to the plants the populations to develop long-lived seeping s- right so so it can be years between rains and the rain will come and then they bloom like crazy. Yeah yeah exactly so. It's an a really good adoptive strategy for the plant to allow their seeds to sleep essentially for decades potentially And but say. I collected the seeds last year. Just a very small percentage of them we might get to germany or we may be haven't figured out what triggers germany shin and what treatment to provide the plants. What we don't know is always so unbelievable to to become more aware of isn't it. Yeah and when you think about the seed work that you're doing in the conservation work as an entire program of interrelated kind of symbiotic branches to to what you're doing you know is there. Is there legislation at play right now. on seed conservation or seed Supply or anything that you are tracking as a conservation organization that you would like listeners. To be aware of or in support of or not in supportive. Yeah there actually is at the federal level. There is a bill that was introduced into the house and into the senate called the we. Call it the botany. Bill would provide funding to federal agencies to carry out a lot of important seat work and so in addition to see banking rare plants. Were also see baking common plants to make those materials available for restoration project so that we could put the right seat in the right place at the right time That's the sort of a slogan for what's called the seeds of success program which is a federal program to make sure that we have native seat supplies ready for restoration. And so we've been an active partner in that a success program and As at california botanic garden and it would be really great for the federal government to support native seats going out into the landscape because they're still unfortunately a lot of non native senior used in restoration projects across the nation. Sheena so we really need to get the supply up and available so we can use appropriate seed For these projects it has been introduced into both in the senate and the house. And i think that there is a website that you can go to you just schuylkill by nabil to learn more information and you can also check to see if your senator or house member is supporting the body bill. And if they're not you can always write to them and ask them if they would sponsor the bill and you as both a woman in a scientist and an organization. The california botanic garden are in support of the botany. Bill i am. I'm definitely supportive of the body bill. Okay and i'm very supportive of efforts stat. government can take whether it's at the state level or more local municipal levels are at the federal level. There's a lot that Government can do to ensure that we have strong policies policies in place to conserve our flora. When you personally especially given your history when you think about the greatest sued joys in this work what are those neely well for one. I just love being outside with plants. Being spending time with plants and building that connection with plants still gives me so much joy. The more i interact with plants. I just feel like they become part of your family and to they're very much integrated into my life and to have to build that connection with them it's just it's a continuous process. It's not like the light switch turned on ice. all the green blur went away. And i saw all the plants and then all set and i. It's it's a continuing journey in building that connection that relationship and every year i learned so much more but i can look back to my former self and recognize. That connection is building then. And how gratifying that was then. I can also kind of look at myself now and see how far i'm still. I've come and my journey is still continuing and so to me. That relationship continually build the more time. I'm able to spend on the landscape with the plants and then also have a garden now and so. That's great because that means i get to watch plants all the time. Just walk into gardening but the other thing that really gives me choi is actually paying forward the mentorship that i received when i was an undergraduate so every year. We have intern stat. Calm and work with a strain. The summer and i really seek out individuals who have just a great desire to learn but also by the might be new to them and they may not have a strong understanding of of what they wanna do with it where they wanna go or even if they want be botanist and some looking for students that they haven't had ten internships and kind. They're not you know well sort of how they're they're pats cleared for them on their kirch career trajectory. I'm really looking for students. That are trying to find their way and they they might need a little boost but they definitely have the drive in energy and capability of doing great things and so i really love working with those because sometimes we're taking them to wild places and it's their first time you know death valley national park or to the san bernardino national forest and last year in particular had raised set of insurance and i was. I took them out on wheel drive road and they just having a ball in. They're like we're on a fire and they were just looking out the window and soaking it. In and i it just it was the best had the best summer. I mean it was a lot of hard work and took a lot of emotional energy and just general or you know just really worked very hard all summer for them but at the end of it i just felt felt like it was one of the best things i could do there. Like the seeds of plants people knew me they are. They are and we need them. We need to germinate all of those that we can the internship program. There when win. Are you accepting applications and for listeners. Who might be interested in this. Where should they go to find out. More information on internships. Naomi shall we normally accept applications in april. The sears a little bit different or actually knocking very disappointed. But we're not going to be able to have the internship program this year due to the pandemic just because the internship program is a very social program. We take field trips together. We traveled together. And i haven't found a way that i could see having a a meaningful internship under the social distancing requirements. We currently have but we will have internships in the future so i would encourage interested individuals to check our website. I try to post a broadly. But also i very much encourage. If someone's interested in getting involved to california botanic garden. Please reach out to me individually i. I return emails. Do my best to get back to every student who is interested and i definitely would encourage students to just make direct contact wanted shows initiative and allows to kind of gauge. The students interest and point them in the right direction. Is there anything you would like to add. I think that this time in self isolation has really clarified. Just i always known how important mike connection to. Nature is since i was able to discover it but how difficult it is to not be able to sit all of my feel vocations like i normally do because it you know. I'm just very cautious about travel and making sure that i'm not doing anything to you know cause harm to rural communities where i often visit so definitely haven't been able to be out in nature to the full extent that i normally do but that just Further solidified. My understanding of how important plants that nature our to our general well-being and That in los angeles county which is the most populous county in the country and We have Immigration los angeles area. We have something like eighteen million people. I think it's like ten million people in the county and You know we have Relatively nearby some you know open space and to explore nature but there was a time where those trials were closed off and It's very difficult mentally to kind of be in this sort of urban jungle without the ability to explore natural species And so that's just yeah hard hard and very illuminating in terms of what's important to us and what we really really want and need in our lives right. Yeah absolutely yeah. Yeah i so appreciate you talking with me today and being a guest on the program. Thank you very much. It's been an honor. Thank you for having me. It's really great to talk with you with both a masters and phd in. 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"Award winning chefs love fresh locally sourced products, steaks, chops, ribs chicken delivered. Right to your door liberty delight farms, dot com scheduled your delivery today fresh meat rees right. John and Ken show. John Kobylt Ken Chiampou. Kfi Am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio APP, oh. Wow. You did it a very special day it is. Yes tell me what? What's National Cheeseburger Day. Is it really. It is. I already celebrated then. that. Among other things exciting news to We will be putting a Hackett a dumpster today. So Lana. And some of the mob members came in early and guess what she gave me. Well what my flu vaccine? Flu. Shot today. Deny. All these now we have to delve deeper I got the one that's egg free. What? I thought you egg free. Yup here's the description they're injecting eggs and the people. It's the vaccine they use that but normal vaccines telling you knew that flu block flu K. composed of synthetically derived surface proteins and it apparently, it says here according to their little release egg free process that avoids mutations and potential for reduced efficacy. What did you do I just went to the pharmacy and I said can I please have a flu shots? I. Don't know I have that option have mutations in your system. Hurting even more. Flu Block. Yes. You're no longer Vegan. absorbed. Egg particles she had made that. You've been I've said it for Your veganism has been soil three or four things that you've done. With Degan. Critical doesn't matter. She admits it. It's still it's still thin. It is, but we knew it was I know but I think everyone needs to be reminded again and again and she sends the Joe. Biden. Show, we just gotTA. Keep going. Pure. Well, we knew that. We. have. Yeah, I'm sorry about that I wish I told you because I made this appointment yesterday i. went to my doctor to get it I didn't go to a drugstore. To ask for the egg free shot no, he sent out an email saying that if you WANNA come into my office, here's what we have and it was described in the email, the flu block as and the the company they. Cut and paste from the company that makes it and says it's an egg free process and this reduces mutations in the vaccine. Of what it says, it avoids mutations and potential for reduced efficacy than Kirwin vaccines are Egged derived. That's what they call I see. So sometimes, it interferes with the vaccine. Efficiency Yeah, they're claiming well there Clinton flew block contains three times more h antigen and offers thirty to forty three percent better protection from influenza never get a vaccine. Why did you decide this year can get the flu vaccine you know oh he doesn't. Oh, you're. Listening. I stand corrected John is the one because his wife forces in have you have never had? A regular annual flu vaccine in my life. So I don't know. I guess I cave to the paranoia. That's smart. I got up this morning and did you see the story of South America No? An unbelievably low flu season there. They've already had their winter. They're going ahead into summer is that because everybody is is where basks in washing their hands is. Distancing, and write all my God but he be or just be this strain whatever is it circulating is not what are we going to hear this lecture every year for the rest of our lives Going to transfer it to the flu and we're going to constantly be Hector D- What you're going to hear for years how Kovic doing all the time with covert ninety? What's it like now coming back? I have you know what I they warned us that we could get the double whammy this fall between the regular flu and cove it. Could still happen. I'm not saying I'm going almost the news free right now when it colleague news consumption other than what I read for the show but I, I don't WanNa hear. virus race. COPS. Iris riots, saturated I know I've heard everything I ever want to hear about those three topics. So if I see that. You want to discuss cheeseburgers for four hours. I could talk about cheeseburgers. Yeah. Stays of which I hear cheeseburger news I'm all I'm I'll turn up the volume. Let me see if I can grab the email here. Do you remember the other day in passing on the show I mentioned that I thought of Debra Mark because there was a message on my satellite TV screen and it was asking you if you wanted to watch the outdoor channel to catch up on a deer hunt we. All right yes. We started discussing the wonders of Venison the winter's yeah. No, not the one. Yes. So Lynn. Emailed US I guess she heard that conversation John was just talking just how wonderful deer meat tastes yes and Debra Mark was appalled. Lynn wrote Venison is divine. I. Agree. The next part debris, you may not like I, buy it frozen grounded sprouts supermarket. Sprout. I go to sprouts too but I stay with she says, you can get deer burgers it's. Ninety nine for the pound packet, right They also have Bison Elkin wild-boar. No seriously. sprouts. sprouts I have never gone into sprats because of the name I'll take a pound a bison. Bison burgers. Yeah couple of restaurants the did do. What are the others elk elk? L.. Now, is supposed to be. Pretty good. There's some. There's some meats that are people describes gainey. It doesn't quite taste like beef it doesn't take juicy and tender, but it tastes like you're eating A. Wild animal and it's it's not a great flavor but the deer is and I heard Alcoa's pretty good. And Wild Bison pretty good wild boars pretty close eating pig food right? Yeah That's in the same family. Yeah. Because ever had rabbit. Yes I have to once I Down in which I was tricked years ago it was not having tricked often, April? tricker. Was the one you've got tricked into as we talked about on the air a few months ago the sweet the sweetmeats of the sweetbreads sweetbreads, sweet rights I'm thinking because we're talking about. Animal Innards Yeah. You went for that. Yes I did it because. I got to remember that it's time to start playing pranks now branks with food. No. It's not cool well. That's GONNA. Stop Me. It's a challenge now. Let's see if we can get her to eat some. Board here there's nobody else around. So just go. It's. Not GonNa eat anything you bring that's just the way it's going to go down tit for tat because we don't like stuff you bring us and now we bring you food is all I'm not GonNa get all those those fake cupcakes you you bring in but I did but I did bring you real bagels and I did bring you real cookies They. Were the wrong sprinkle cookies we'll have to make up for that one day. You guys real things, Vegan Food Israel the non-drug and I should say. I'm surprised she. Kept the name, the name sprouts kept me from every sprouts bringing some l.. Yeah. Now, I'm not GonNa do that right now. When we come back. It's probably I think we got so much today one of the better stories of the day from the Wall Street Journal. You may have heard about the community of Berry Creek it's not that far from paradise they got overrun by fire. Do you know they had almost nine hundred thousand dollars in money to clear all the brush but red tape bureaucracy two years after they got the money they still hadn't started spending it. This is a great example of what's really wrong with our government coming up next. John and Ken show John Kobylt Ken Chiampou. It's Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio APP. The headline from the second time about the Bob cat fire is that it is split into three heads in the antelope? Valley. HEADED BUBKA THAT'S MONSTER Three to five. Chris Carlin will talk to us next hour, and of course, we'll get an update on that. Terrible. Terrible gender reveal fire out Yucaipa the when they call El Dorado where firefighter died Steve Gregory is covering that story for us and he'll be on. Right, after three o'clock speaking fires, The Wall Street Journal did a story today about the community of Very Creek which isn't far from the town of Paradise Anybody. Remember Paradise from two thousand eighteen. Eighty people died in the fire that ripped through their. Yes. About twelve thousand homes almost the entire town burned to the ground. Right. After that this little town of Berry Creek about twenty five, hundred people decided maybe we ought to do some brush-clearing. Topic. That's been big on the show all week. So they eventually applied four in did receive from cal fire. A pile of money. The amount I'm just clicking through here trying to find it. Oh Yeah. Eight, hundred and thirty, six, thousand, three, hundred, sixty, five, dollar grant. From the California Department of Forestry and fire protection cal fire went to the Butte county fire safe, council, the date was October twenty, six, twenty, eighteen. Here we are two years later and they were just about to start spending the money and clearing the brush too late Hey got ripped through by fire this week ten people died many homes destroyed. And they are within a third of the total fatalities from wildfires here in California. So you got to ask well, what happened why? Why two years later had they not done the project? When everybody knows what are we told? It's fire season all year round. Well, the got caught up in horrific red tape. You know I know somebody WHO's I knew I knew somebody WHO's working with the government. And while back, he told me about a certain issue that had to be dealt with right and to be dealt with quickly any said they sent in the forums. And they needed an answer really fast and then get anything for two weeks, and then they call to see what happened and the paperwork was put into the wrong file. So they had to resubmit the paperwork and then it took another week. So this thing which required some kind of urgent action took three weeks. Before before, it got processed and he said this was normal. This is the way. Worked you fill out forms, and then it sits on someone's desk if you're lucky. Well fire fires. Wait for the approval process I. Don't know what your friends project was. It was this urgent. But what I'm saying it's the same mentality. It doesn't matter what the subject is. It goes on someone's desk and it sits there. And? Starts have see QUA, the California Environmental Quality Act. One of the strictest laws in the nation makes it easy for local residents and interest groups to oppose construction and development projects. That was one of the first things that held it up then cal fire officials, and this is great kickback some of the paperwork because it was improperly formatted. This. About. They they it's. You would think people work for cal fire would just want to jump on this to clear. The brush is quickly as possible but they don't they're more worried about the format. Of the request forms. That's a higher priority. Now, what do you do with people like this? Something wrong with them. They're they're defective that doesn't they don't work properly. and. There's no getting around. It's like the story we had yesterday with the guy who's trying to open his go kart place. And In Carson, any runs into these bureaucrats Who just say the opposite of the truth the opposite of reality. And and it's the same thing here. It's like if somebody calls you and says, well, we got a clear this brush fast look what happened to paradise it think on the other end it's like absolutely okay. Let's get this done. Let's get everything in order but they jones streaming I mean after what happened in paradise in this town is not zing and they gave us over eight hundred, thousand dollars come on I mean they had to get approval landowners. Rush has to be cleared from their property that was another obstacle well, and then the pandemic hit and I'm like, really Oh, the pandemic means nobody had to go to work nobody does nothing right? Nobody has to go to work and remember it's outdoors clearing brush not if these guys can get these men and women can get fired none of them ever get fired none of the supervisors care either. I A-, what I've been told by another guy know who works with government that if you do a good job, you're actually scolded for making everyone else look bad. And that's for real. The supervisors don't want you doing well sometimes. Because as long as everybody's doing the same bad job everybody could say, Hey, this is the way it goes. It's the way it's done this. But if somebody stands out. Then, they're going on What's wrong with him here he's not playing along it's going to raise expectations. People are GonNA get fairly demanding. You can believe this or not, but it's the truth. This is the kind of people who get into government and it doesn't matter even if it's know the the fire to California fire. Now. There's no hope never live in a place like this. If this is what it takes to clear some blush because the Butte County Fire Safety Council knew this was coming they said back in two thousand, eighteen, they said please cut this red tape because we know it's going to take forever two years later they're about to start the brush clearing and the fire through to late and you now everyone looks around says I guess we don't need it now. You shouldn't even have a law all the brush. You shouldn't have a law that allows every idiot to file a lawsuit to stop it that kind of lost shouldn't even exist. You got you got to start with that premise that that's ridiculous. You know last night I was watching the there's a really fascinating. Mini documentary on Youtube that was put out by the Los Angeles Fire, department in Nineteen Sixty two and it was about the nineteen sixty one belair fires which maybe you've seen References on the news sometimes, they do retrospectives on the anniversary and it was a colossal monstrous fire, right? And during the fire, the Fire Department set sent color film crews to record what was happening in real time and they've got spectacular color film footage there. And there's narration to, in fact, I wanted to play a piece of it. Maybe next week, we'll play a little little pieces, twenty seconds because the to set it up. In case you're not familiar the narrator explains that. You have a hundred and thirty four square miles square acres whatever the one, hundred, thirty, four, square miles of. Green covering right up in the Santa Monica? Mountains. there. It's. It's one of the law and it is one of the fastest burning. Areas of vegetation in the Western Hemisphere whatever the Santa Monica Mountains are made of when the fastest burning around. Right. And then secondly, Bel Air Brentwood. Hollywood hills is home to. The. Most expensive. It must expensive real estate areas in the country. Just those two lines. Fastest burning ground cover most expensive real estate high up in the mountains people living on these narrow cliffs. Now, our roads, what do you think is going to happen? It's like as soon as he explained that it's like I suddenly you know an epiphany why isn't anybody doing this? Nobody should be living on the top of these cliffs when you have so much fast burning material all around you because the Santa Ana winds come every single year in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, one, they were. He talked about how the Senate and wins every year do their thing We'll get more on the fires after three o'clock with our reporters more coming up. John and Ken show. Kobylt and Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty light everywhere on the iheartradio. Locked down another big house party. This time it was in Sherman Oaks one hundred and fifty people. It was a child's birthday. Turned off, the power. Coming up after three o'clock Steve Gregory will. Update us on what's called the Eldorado fire out and you Yucaipa, that's the one that was started by the people with their gender reveal video whatever they were doing with their smoke bomb. and. Cost the life of a firefighter. They could be charged with manslaughter I have read. So yes. Yeah because they were. They were so reckless in their activity once if anybody dies in, they're responsible. Be. Responsible if you're not aware the John and Ken voter guide is but they're all week for all of the ballot propositions that you will vote on their twelve of them for the November election. To me this is good news. We still have some time to go the public policy people. Put out the results of their latest poll and specifically they centered on two of the ballot measures which probably. Getting the most attention proposition fifteen. That is the woman up ends proposition thirteen from nineteen, seventy, eight, the property tax initiative, and they call it split role but people what that means. It goes after commercial and industrial property. You and your residential home nothing would change. But if you own commercial or industrial property, you would have to base it at current market value instead of the purchase price, and that could result in a huge tax assessment and. There's there's an important reason to block this. This is only the first step. This crowd has they're gonna come to raise your property tax wanted to come for decades to do something about thirteen. But what what, the what the progressives are really good at dealing you have to acknowledge this is they're good at incremental change and it's slowly sneaks up on people. So they're starting they they do polling and they do focus groups and they look to see where is the softness in people's attitude and people will tend to be a little softer when it comes to taxing rich people, tax corporations taxing business. You know they don't they don't think about. How a lot of ordinary people own their own businesses, own their own buildings and property. You know it's a lot of those people are middle-class every they they try to use Disney as an example. But the believe me if they succeed in drastically raising commercial property taxes, then they're going to have another campaign to raise taxes on your home, and further it's going to cost you these commercial entities that are being hit with huge property tax bills will pass that along to you in the form of higher prices are higher rents or whatever. It's not a victimless situation here they're trying to grab billions allegedly for the schools. But we've told you on the show of billion times. The billions that they wanna take is because of the pensions Tanabe because this way they'll have more money and they always want more money so they can allocate more money towards that public employees pension whole they're still trying to fill you know this is this is such, isn't the biggest lie among all the lies out there California has by far the highest taxes in the nation. It's no one's even close to what we pay. And by law. Almost fifty percent. Of the State's budget goes through goes for caithness went off. And the system. I think it's mandated that something like forty two percent goes for K. through twelve. Then you add on community colleges State College, the UC system, and it gets close to fifty percent. So. Let's call it half the tax money's already going to schools, and we're the highest tax state in the nation. The colleges I'm sorry. The whole education system is really well-funded. It is this gives you an idea of just how obnoxiously expensive the pensions are the pensions are out of line because the teachers Their Union is preposterous greedy. This is pure greed. The greed is not part on the part of corporations or tech billionaires. The greed here is on the part of teachers. And it's and it's unsustainable to pay their pensions. This poll shows fifty one percent in favor of proposition fifteen, forty percent against that's not good. Now, a lot of money is going to be spent between now and election day probably by both sides knowing the Teacher's Union and others a lot will be spent to get proper fifteen past I haven't really seen too many ads yet. I've seen the other propositions, but you have to be well beyond fifty percent because come election day, and this is what I'm counting on. John John. I normally hate the low information voter and they come out for a presidential election digger. You're going to mix this up with prop thirteen and think it's some sort of appeal to raise property taxes on all of us and vote. No, and I say, thumbs up to that. Let there misunderstand this is where the stupid people can be useful. Yes. Every once in a while the stupid voters. Are Beneficial for your side. There's also you know some other philosophical issues I think after hitting number one in tax confiscation. It point is the money ours. If a if a if a guy or woman or corporation legitimately earns money selling a product or service at what point does it belonged to them. Or does the government have well is always is always capable of taxing every penny. And property taxes latest I've seen this is the one area California's actually sort of in the middle compared to all the rest is a prop thirteen. That's exactly right. So let's keep this victory. Don't give any of it up. Now the other one we're GONNA take a look at from this poll is proposition sixteen, and that's the one that wants to bring back affirmative action and quotas in public hiring decisions and also. Public School Admissions College admissions. The thing about this is kind of shocked me at this poll is accurate only thirty one percent support. forty-seven percent or we're going to vote no in this poll. That seems insurmountable that they're going to get this one passed. Because this this one affects people's lives if you agree to quotas. That means odds are WHO's GONNA get shorted? Whose kids not going to get into the UC system. If they're doing quotas. And people who believe in a basic fairness look at this and say, no, that is right. You're judging people by the color of their skin instead of their accomplishments this is exactly the opposite of the changes that people wanted to make going back to the middle of last century. It was all about judging people on their merits on their compliments on their potential. And now it's GONNA become. We're going to judge them on the shade of their skin color. Or the randomness of their ethnicity. Who wants to go back to the to the to the dark ages here. You haven't. that. There's another story that as you know, they want to throw out the sat and the standardized tests for college admissions. Now, some schools are asking students to submit a story about how they got through the pandemic and that might help them get in I'm like really a story something they could make up to. Something they could write that was really dramatic. That's going to be a big factor and getting into a college. We really have lost of the the people who work in college actually many of them don't believe in in grades in merit they believe in social justice. So this is an excuse for them to select the class made up of social justice warriors that are represented by their color and by their ethnicity. By their gender. It's a cover story. It because this is the day they've a lot of waiting before because they're very left wing professors are very left. Wing admissions are very left wing. They've been hemmed in by state? Law. Because most people want merit to decide these things right. So I'm not surprised that most of these colleges want to get one at one at one a ditch, all these numerical requirements. They've been upset for decades that the students go to better schools and have more motivated parents always seem to somehow get into the school. It's it's type. How do we balance that? We don't we just? Sure that everything is equal. You know what that they? They have found that that college admission is often tied to the family income. But think about that for a moment there is a direct correlation between I Q and income the smart. You are the more money you make. Well, if you have to smart people making a lot of money they marry and produce kids are the kids are going to be smarter right now I mean that's that's that's par biology here. So now those kids have to be punished because they had sparked parents who did well and show up on the high end of the income spectrum. Well, why would those kids be punished by WorldCom? Catch show John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio APP. All right we'll be bringing on Steve. Gregory right after the news at three o'clock to talk about that terrible situation with the gender reveal fire when they call the Eldorado fire out in Yucaipa and San Bernardino County the national forest. Firefighter lost his life and we'll get an update on that. Also talking to Chris Ancarlo who for what nine ten eleven days I forget has been covering the Bob cat fire on. That is now affecting people in the Antelope Valley by the way I'm driving home a couple of days ago and I pass by that disgusting homeless encampment on. Santa. Wilshire, and there's a guy what up. Where a barbecue grill with a huge flame like like t two feet high shooting out of the calls on top of the barbecue. That's probably why every morning when I hear them through traffic, they say there are seems to be a homeless encampment fire right near the freeway here affecting some of the traffic. There was one this week downtown between ten and the sixty and the five around there during our show. Yeah. Probably people with their barbecue. nope. Nobody in police don't come to put it out. And break break up the encampment. Nobody does that huge buyer at this time of year when we've got all these raging fires in the smoke joking us at in Los Angeles you can start another one right in the right in the straight you can start one. NATO. dupage city we have. Talking about some of the ballot propositions. Voter Guide is up on the website for all twelve of them and we are no of course on prop fifteen and prop sixteen by the way also prop twenty. That's a yes that's the one. That's GONNA. Fix Well, we wish we could repeal them but we're talking about prop forty seven, which is increased the homeless problem and prop fifty-seven letting inmates out and of course, the prisoner. Dumping. Bill. From two thousand and Yeah I, think it was a one Oh nine. That's a major. Yes that's that's that's really important. You don't have any poll number on that, but there's a story that the grocery stores are putting some money behind it. That's because prop forty seventh got that shoplifting thing and they're tired of it. You can see how much this actually impacts you businesses when they started giving money over to help get a ballot measure can shoplift up to nine, hundred fifty dollars and it's not a felony. It's only a misdemeanor and police don't prosecute misdemeanors anymore because bitch demeanour criminals don't go to jail. Because of all the. Stuff, you can get with nine hundred and fifty bucks grocery store, and in those stories those a whole researchers say, well, we haven't seen any evidence that that shoplifting crimes have gone up prop forty seven we don't. We don't say you don't see any evidence Ding bats because the stores don't call the police anymore. Because two meters and citations collecting the data it's just a Smith's. Don't arrest them anymore because they don't go to jail even if they get. So nobody bothers anymore and of course, the stupid El Segundo Times and every other IDI newspaper goes well, experts say experts have their heads up their Iran's it's like in the real world why do you think Albertson's and Kroger's are spending big money to prop twenty past because they're get they're they're getting killed on shoplifting I saw what was statistic like Sh- losses rep six, billion dollars across the country. What what what do you think that is? Let's people stealing stuff that means the thieves stole six billion dollars more last year than than before that's what it means. Families people who are. Starving the pandemic has taken a toll. Nobody's feeding their families by stealing because we have plenty of government programs that that help families who need food it it's it's the vagrants. It's that Croat on Saturday Sunday telling you about. Remember. They were GONNA put fixed to prop forty-seven. They're going to go after people that did this repeatedly in other words they stole like nine hundred dollars worth of goods and then a month later they hit another place and stole nine hundred dollars worth of, but they call the Shoplifter yeah. I thought they were going to do something that they did. That's in this. Prop. That's all it's improper twenty. Yeah. Okay. But I thought the legislature recognized that at least that flawed prop forty seven was going to do care about the flaws. The flaws are in their by design. They didn't see it as flaws anything that kept people from going to prison was was a feature. It's exhausting doing this show it is. I'm very tired. It's like and then you know trying to understand when we explain these things that people would actually want these kinds of laws like prop forty-seven to exist, and by the way the voters passed that twenty fourteen you voted. For. But you remember the deceitful campaign that they ran on that. Oh, you're trying to remember. It was the safe neighborhood and Schools Act I think was the name of prop. Yeah you're right ring a bell right and that they were going to take the money saved from all this from all these prosecutions and use it towards enhancing local safety. Oh, entrust to drug treatment. Yes. Struck jumping someone required because it's not a felony anymore drug use said they'd still turned around and provide money. No they all lied lied there such bad people in Sacramento they are such bad people. Everybody keeps getting kind everyone keeps falling for him over and over again. Next your fire updates. Steve. Gregory will join US I with an update on that fire out in you Kuyper took the life of a firefighter. John and Ken show John Kobylt Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty to live everywhere on the iheartradio APP? Welcome. Everybody Yeah. We have the moist line become. We do have hack. Hack we do have a hack to throw in the dumpster. The mob is back they made it through the fires. They will join us to do that during a five o'clock hour. Two fires that have been burning for really too long. Good God of course, the Bob cat fire, which has gotten so much coverage. This week, we'll talk to Chris Ancarlo. Later. On. That's the one that started in the foothill communities in the San. Gabriel Valley. But also extended into danger for the antelope. Valley. He will come on leader the other fire, which got a lot of attention worldwide as because it was started apparently by people. Celebrating a gender reveal with a smoke bomb. Yes and it started a fire near Yucaipa on the seventh of September. So we're in day twelve and the really sad news is that a firefighter died while battling the fire and Got Steve Gregory here with the story stave. Hey, guys. Yeah. This is a horrific chain of events coming out of the Eldorado fire near Yucaipa that fire started September fifth. That's over twenty thousand anchors. Now that was the fire that was started by ginger reveal event basically gone sideways was a smoke bomb that ignited some dry grass. Got Out of Control and at the time we had been talking about it the family that was involved in this gender reveal stunt. There had been a little talk about what kinds of. Crimes. They may have committed or laws or rules amy at broken and the whole caveat to that was well if there's Damage or some sort of destruction involved or injury or death, it could rise to the level of criminality. Well, now, we find out that a member of a hotshot crew. Had Been Missing yesterday into the evening and they had dispatched helicopters from the San Bernardino. County sheriff's department. fire helicopters and other agencies trying to find this person and they did finally locate the person late last night and they have not identified this person. They've not identified what hotshot crew they were with because a lot of times these hotshot crews coming from all over the. Country Hotshot crews now's hotshot crews are sort of I, think of a SWAT team for wildland firefighters they are specialized. They are dropped out into the most remote areas and they're used to working in isolated conditions are not used to working with large groups. They're these little teams that work out in the Wilderness area and they're going to go out there and they're going to do. You know they're going to do some sort of brush mitigation or they're going to help cut line, which is basically shoveling and in making a trench in but something really important that absolutely they're like the frontline they're like the military, the Marines of the firefighter this person was working alone or well. Here's the thing we don't know yet because. Typically these these hotshot crews work in teams, but those teams kinda spread out a little bit and they kind of. Individual tasks and sometimes someone can sort of get you know lost unexpectedly and if you've got billowing smoke coming in from any direction, it's easy to get disoriented out there and you're talking about deep wilderness and this is an area of the San Bernardino National Forest in a place called Pines Anita I'm not personally familiar with the area but apparently. It's off Angeles, Oak Highway Thirty Eight area it's just it was just near that was probably the nearest landmark, but it's an area called Pines. I'm told it's very, very rugged and very treacherous terrain in there. So but again, they're not telling us the name or the position or the location or where this person was from until they can notify family. Saying whether or not this person. For any kind of help or assist we don't have any of those details. They're keeping it very close to the to the chest and I suspect it's because he was a federal or she was a federal firefighter. So you could. Get, disoriented by the smoke and not easy ease liar coming at you go Gadjah and thing is they're trained. So they're trained for all these different situations and scenarios. Fire blanket with them, which is like a very specialized mylar looking blanket that can crouch down into the ground and pull it over them in it helps in most cases when flames come over and when the fires kind of tearing through. Really. Yeah it's an amazing doesn't cook them. They'll get very hot in there, but it's it's you know it's designed to reflect heat away but you. have to burrow yourself down. I went when I was I had to go through wildfire in Arizona and they meet deploy those blankets and carry those packs and That's but see it does get intense. They are narrow fire in Arizona few years ago. All of those hotshot people, all the all the members that hotshot crew, they all died and they were all using the blankets because at. The fire was so intense and blew through there. So quickly, and that's just how fast it happens. These guys are they were all trained firefighters it even overrun them. So it's We're hoping to get more details on I. Don't know that we'll get anymore this weekend win again if they're waiting this long to tell us who this person is I'm I'm wondering if that person is from out of town or out of state. Where they found this person knows that was just the last place I saw in the Pines Anita they said that's kind of the last place that has the he or she crew members remember seeing this person so. again I'm just thinking that because of the time it's taking to identify this person that they're probably other this. Oakland. Somebody in the family that set off the smoke bomb. Manslaughter well, it could go could go a couple of different ways. Now, the there's a team from the San Bernardino County da's office that has now met with In fact, today, they met with investigators so I think they're going over everything now, and then the district attorney will decide what kinds of charges if any are going to be filed but they did say early on that, you know it's one thing to start the fire and and nobody gets injured killed or no. Structures damaged in at the very least you probably would have to pay back the cost of fighting fire maybe but in this particular case, now you've got a dead firefighter probably federal firefighter to boot. So and half dozen buildings that were either damaged jared. Yeah. So so now if I don't know if this will rise to the level of being a federal situation because it was on federal land and if it was fair federal firefighter, it could very well be department of Justice. Case. What will help this family is that they did try to put out the fire they did call it in right away. They've been cooperating. It's not like they ran like sure. There, there was no intent and there was no malicious intent, but again, you know this is going to they still did it intentionally the the intention was It wasn't a killed people wasn't Marcin Tibur buildings down they were negligent at the very least and and what's the attitude among local law enforcement while the district office to something like this is it is it to bring the hammer down to use them as an example of against anybody else who does something stupid it could have been preventable or is it is there was a lot of public outrage over this. If you re hall I'm sure. Yeah. A lot of public outrage over this even the person that was credited with starting the gender reveal movement even see she said enough is enough this is stupid. Stop It. So there's public outrage but I don't know how that's going to translate into the world of the. Of The DA's office or the legal. World. Hi Steve Thank you very much guy status status it is about the firefighter who died Battling, the gender reveal fire out there in the San Bernardino National Forest. ARRANGEMENTS GOING DOWN IN INDUSTRY NOBODY'S GONNA forget this fire. They've got to be feeling really awful right now I, I mean of course there's a stupid thing but while for cascade into this and now we have one firefighter losing their life. When we come back? Yeah. Politicians will be politicians pretty good story dealing with the fires. And Gavin NEWSOM and our vice presidential candidate on the Democrat side Kamala. Harris. With that is coming up John and Ken show John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio. APP. We'll take a look at the other fire like doing almost w with Chris Ancarlo. Let's see Bob cat fire. The one that started above the communities of the San Gabriel foothills since the said Gabriel until the Angeles National Forest and now is affecting people, of course, Mount Wilson affecting people in the antelope valley as well with new evacuations he'll be on after the news at three thirty. All you like this report from Fresno Television Fox twenty-six as you know, trump was here after the fires met with Gavin Newsom but I didn't know some time after that and I want to pronounce it right? It's like Comma Com. Carmela Harris Yeah. It's racist. If you said, that's what I've read. Yes. The senator for years and I was never sure which way to pronounce it. Yeah. The committee on racism made that Pronounce his finding she had Gavin newsom did a tour of some of the fire devastated areas and they wandered onto the property of a family. There now I rate it's trespassing. Here's the story from that Fox TV station. Station this is our lives Governor Gavin newsom and Senator Carmela. Harris tweeted out photos Tuesday showing their visit to a home destroyed by the creek fire, the patent family, Saul, the photos, and realized that's vay are. Or what's left of it? Photos was. I. It works because like we haven't even seen our house we haven't even seen property whether we haven't even material property. Family is accusing Governor Newsom and Senator Harris of using their pain as a political tool and a photo opportunity. This is where we grew up. These are memories and. To continue not have that you feel so helpless and and I guess that's kind of what we've all been thinking is that we are so helpless. Because we weren't there. We have to deal, with our loss. Instead. We're having to play have it played out on social media and news. So these are the stories of ninety fires. and. The people who are. Are victimized by these. Make a care less and their children could care less who they voted for. In the last election we're not dictums or survivors. We're GONNA. Get through this, but the whole community has lost and. To just take a picture of one. Of One loss. It's not enough when I asked Senator Harris's communication director for a statement. He told me I'm not going to have anything about that. Lock them up lock. them, up. Trespassers you know what is really galling is they stand there preening and lecturing this was another chance for them to give global warming lecture when they know damn well, there is anything the state of California can do to reduce the temperature of the planet. It is impossible for anybody in California to do anything about it either individually or collectively nothing it is just preening and they're playing on people's ignorance thinking you know maybe. If I got an electric car that that'll change things. No, YOU'RE NOT GONNA be saving anybody's house. You're not going to stop any fires, what they can do what even global warming experts admit is three quarters of this problem at least is caused by bad forest management well, who's been in charge newsom who's been governor for two years and and and and Harris has been in the Senate this is federal forest land. and. They both been in public life for a long long time in one office or another. You never heard a peep out of them complaining about the way the forest were mismanaged and other standing. Looking cool. Showing off and giving the prepackaged message about global warming. Did you. Shut up about global warming and do the hard work of directing hundreds of millions of dead trees out of the forests. Comma love with tight jeans and boots, and she has like who great pose in one of those photos. Yeah. No I noticed that. Yeah. She's got anything in her arm is up in the air at me. That is that is an unpresidential outfit. They're even that relic with the El Segundo Times the long time Sacramento base columnist George Skeleton. Admitted just what you said. it was begrudgingly if you read his whole column, but you know he's trying to say they gotta pay attention to forest management and get off their climate change speeches. Here's George Skelton whose about as extreme oldfashioned liberal is ever GonNa find he's gotta be eighty years old, but he's still writing for the Times he goes. I think it's time for the governor to start blaming mismanagement of the forests as much as climate change for these horrendous wildfires. Most of US understand the global warming is real and people around the globe need to slow it except they won't. If even if Israel, they won't because as Bjorn Lomborg told us the researcher from. The Hoop and hugging consensus. He said six billion people on the planet. WanNa reach our level of wealth. Six billion people on the planet poor, and the only way to get from there to here is to burn fossil fuels. So that's why there's nothing we can do because there's six billion other people who wish they could be living the way California lives listen to the next sentence from Skeleton California can be a role model, but we can't lower the plants the monitor ourselves it's beyond the states reach and people act like children like eight years in when I wish I wish we could do something about climate change if we all just. Drove to rotor bicycles to work. That's what little kids when they get an essay from left-wing teacher is they write silly things like that I think everyone should should ride a bicycle to work or walk to work to lower the planet's temperature and save us all. But you have your online when he even told us if the US cut everything, not just California the US it would only dropped temperatures by point three degrees Fahrenheit eighty years from now. Eight years from now. He called the skeleton from the Times called Scott Stevens at UC. Berkeley fire science professor asked how much climate change was to blame for our wildfires less than fifty cents less than fifty percent maybe a third. Maybe a Thurs now and ED. Bjorn Lomborg said maybe a quarter. Now. and. Then is She was us. Secretary of Agriculture. She said, we have to start thinking about adaptation not just prevention of climate change. Well, there's there's nothing anybody's going to do about climate and you and you don't white the leaving the climate is warmed and cool thousands of times over the years. But even if this is manmade, you can't stop it because the other six billion people wanna live like us and you are not giving up your house. Stop losing homes to this. You got to clear all that brush clear out the Boris or stop living in the forests. We're GONNA have the same story every year not the damn temperature is yeah. I mean you choose to build in a forest that's not being maintained when the Santa Anna's come every year when lightning comes every year when you have stupid people doing gender reveal parties, what do you? Think's going to happen one day your number is up it's the reverse lottery you're going to lose your house is going to burn. So don't live in the Damme hills don't live in the forests. Chris had Carlos coming on next with an update on that stubborn Bob, cat fire next. John and Ken show John Kobylt Ken Chiampou Kfi. Am Six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio APP. For the way, this state is upside down on business. We'll talk about this after four o'clock Avenue signed a brand new law. which will make things really difficult for an I'm talking small small pisses excuse five employees impacted by this we'll have a guest on from a small business association coming up after the news. At, four o'clock. We're going to talk about the Bob cat fire again with Chris. Carlson. KFI News has been covering this miserable things into began over a week ago, and we've been catching up with them in different places. Of course, it started in the San Gabriel. Foothill communities but has made its way on another flank to the antelope valley where I think I said the. Times headline was that it had three heads now. Let's bring on Chris Right this is a three headed Bob cat. Three. Hundred Bob Cat Yep Kinda got caught up in the nuclear radiation somewhere and mutated seems a monster and knowing firefighters are struggling to deal with this because of the size of the just burn territory ray, the the entire circumference of this fire now stretching from mount. Wilson all the way up to Juniper hills delicious Kinda talk about the current situation I am back to where I started reporting on this, which is in the San Gabriel Canyon I'm looking at a pretty expensive plume that's coming up from just to the west of San Gabriel Reservoir. The Angeles National Forest did tweet out a little while ago that they would have an aerial firing operation in this general neck of the woods. So I am hopeful and I believe that that's what I'm seeing. However, it is putting up a nice plume. I would say got a couple hundred acres that are burning right there from what I understand. This is also the same spot where there was a burn scar from a fire from about four or five years ago. So I. If I had to guess they're trying to burn that off to establish a a stronger line right along highway thirty nine to make sure that this thing doesn't move any further off to the east. So from here, we're GONNA move up to the north and GonNa, car way over highway two and down slope from Mount Williamson. And that's where we find juniper hills and devil's punchbowl until you guys got to hang out there. Hope you looked it up. Perfect for you the. Neighborhoods there are under imminent threat at this moment and. I was up there last night of course, and I watched is the fire roll downhill toward the desert floor had not reached it by the time I left around ten thirty or so last night and it was clear that at some point, it would reach the desert floor. If those winds caked up, the winds were relatively strong last night and from all reports, they're stronger today to the extent that looking at modus, which is a satellite tracking hot spots. There are hotspots ride along juniper hills road, which means that. Potentially there are flames active fire. Among. oddities among possibly structures and homes and things of of human construction right along. That road. So that's Longview juniper hills according to some reports of what the Fire Department is trying to do of of corralling this thing. They'd put up Longview road, which is the road I just mentioned all the way back to four to hone as as the kind of outside perimeter there, and that would include a number of properties in between so. The Angeles National Forest just about twenty minutes ago and I want to read this tweet. So I get it just right and will. Face ID doesn't work with a mask of course, it doesn't. Say. Bob Campfire continues to make an aggressive push into the juniper hills. Area structures are being imminently threatened and impacted aircraft crews and equipment are in a firefight and continue to do all. They can to reduce the fire spread that doesn't sound great and and that is a tough area because you guys asked me yesterday. I think about what there is burn out there and I can give you a better assessment having been on the ground I mean I stood for a couple of hours just in the middle of a field base of the mountains. Around. Me was a bunch of about knee high. Grasses and Chaparral all it just dry enough that you know if I went if I knelt down and picked up the grass and picked it and and bent it instead of bending, you would just crack. So you guys almost like Straw imagine Straw just going up all around you and then you've got these fields of Joshua trees. Once you hit the desert floor and those things up while we saw that happen. In the Mojave Fire Way way way out in the mojave preserve earlier this summer. So there is a potential for things like that to burn not to mention you do have the of the namesake junipers and other desert plant life that has typically a lot of oil. So you can see those those plants burning with some intensity, and if you have the wind, it's GonNa, push it across property lines, those people out there are. Listening, I hate to generalize, but they're pretty self reliant and them have built their their space. I'm sure a few of them probably have bunkers stock full of food and AK47's but for the most is that what you know they're they're ready. Yeah and that that was the tone that I took yesterday talking to people they were they were ready to go if they had to get out of there and for those that chose to stay the one guy I talked to was like listen I've got a well I've got water I've. I've trend my property I'm going to stay I'm going to I'm going to defend this to the best of my ability and you know when you're in that sort of a neighborhood most people I know each other and you know as guy told me yesterday said you know he was helping somebody put a horse zoo a trailer so What country folk like us do that's. Different set of circumstances, skills and life skills. Then you're gonNA find in Pacific Palisades. People. But they. Do it. They know how to clear the brush and make defensible space and Their, first Rodeo. Stand and burned out that way I think it was probably about twelve or thirteen years ago. There was there was a fire. It's not only fires, but they also live on the San Andreas fault. So I I I think most of these folks. Come come they shrug off? Scare them with a tweet. By the way I mean you opened my eyes I'm looking at the devil's punchbowl natural area and nature center, and it looks like a nice place to visit but may be gone or what? You know again, looking at modus in I wanna I wanNA really make this explicitly clear mortices It's a nice tool, but it's not an exact tool and you know when the when I look at the map. Potentially. There could be spot there or could be misreading. So take it for what it's worth. It's it's a potential, but it is a potential that the fire has started to work in that direction in and into the that park, which would be ashamed. That's a county park. It's a gorgeous park You know it's a nice place to hike and and you know maybe I don't know. Sacrifice a goat or something like that. Right. Now you're talking that's coming on. All Right Chris is. Unique thirteen hundred acre geological wonder where you can walk hike take a horseback ride I would like that. Yeah, I love geological wonders a spectacular tilted rock formations. You can see created by layers of set of in three rock of all the things like to stare at I. Love staring at rocks in unusual geologic formations. Thought it was ducks on one of your I love staring at ducts. Knox. Anything that can't talk to at least a duck moves but Robert Iraq just sits there but. I. Stare I stared are lizards. I did say that and they're like rocks. They don't move the ones. You fees the crickets to yeah. Yeah. Oh, I had a cricket feeding over the weekend. Deborah I built my whole Saturday around. That's exciting video maker watch it. Yeah that's a good idea. No, it's not a good idea. I don't need to watch that. We got more coming. You'll never forget the crunch sounds. MAGIN OH CRUNCH John. And Ken Show John Kobylt Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio everywhere everywhere. Everywhere. Right. We will have the Moi slide and we do have a hack to throw the dumpster. It's been awhile but we were able to track in the mob members and spent Lana. We'd be doing that in the five o'clock hour we did a story last week from channel seven. That somebody had placed boulders in a tunnel. Underneath the ten freeway in West Los. Angeles. And the identity of one of the people behind placing those boulders because it was to keep the homeless from camping in the tunnel. We now know the name of one of the people responsible. It's a Hollywood screenwriter. About Harley was involved with a couple of big movies, point break in Varsity Blues Peter Iliffe, and I guess there's a community in West Los Angeles called Ranier, village I don't know what John Maybe you do. Our Ari. Ari. Why ers like And apparently they use that tunnel. To make their way over to what they call the arts area of Culver City, and he knows number of other neighbors had had enough because they considered it disgusting and dangerous to try to walk to that huddle to get to other parts of the neighborhood. So they did. Apparently place those heavy boulders they're which did eventually removed the activists sixty of them. Six And this Rican heavy I live is a normal person. And his fellow. Members of this, this group, they're normal people neighborhood group did. You you look at what I, mean the filth and the garbage I don't know this specific area, but but I know nearby areas. And the underpasses under the freeways are so gross disgusting filled with garbage jugs, fill during bags of met sites. Yeah. That that's all that life is all the life is is garbage neth pipes heroine kneels feces and urine. That's the that's the extent of their existence and the. Ron's at the La Times. Always, right romantically about these people struggles there's nothing romantic about it. It's filthy it smells it's it's diseases it's danger. These people are crazy. They're violent and unpredictable and good for Peter Island and the rest of them for doing this. Well, they had to go fund me set up called the it's called the August tunnel. The ketter, August tunnel safety and beautification project. Do you feel safe walking with your loved ones through Kenner Ragas tunnel here in near village the underpass is the gateway to renew Park Helms district. Oh I know the Helms District Metro in Culver City help us clean up title. Make it safe in July local resident was walking his infant in a stroller along with his two year old and four year old when a mentally ill individual physically attacked him with the weapon he was forced to run with his infant and small children for safe right and this is the stuff that that the people running the county don't care about. Accessibility to the city to and thing is if you're the guy with the with the two little kids and a crazy person is attacking you, he's got some kind of weapon in his hand and you've got to run for your life with your little children. That's exactly what the city on a be preventing stopping. Instead, they allowed this to go on. and. It's so so awful. And I don't know why all these people aren't run out of office and he sh-. They should put a boulders they should put them back. It's screw these these homeless advocates their day should be done. They're crazy. The their philosophy is a garbage philosophy. It's about. It's about turning turning a nice areas into sores and Cesspool 's. eyeless spoke to L. A. Magazine. This is all about US trying to keep our community from having our children have to witness this stuff that show point had become dangerous. Yeah, he's right. He's right and and and this is this is what this guy has to do. Is He's got to get got a bunch of friends and and they they load sixty gigantic boulders to try to block the vagrants. From further filthy ing up the area. At this to. This. They were going to be charged with illegal dumping it. They didn't remove the boulders within twenty four hours, but he claimed he was helped. By City Council office and nearby districts. Yeah it's. It's funny how how the city springs to action or the county will spring to action when it comes going what comes to going after normal people are competing comes to going after desperate people are trying to preserve. Their home, their environment, their neighborhood. Everybody ought to be ashamed of themselves in government for allowing the sort of thing for driving people. -cation the story that I just read that part is that somebody may have been sympathetic to. His neighbors and may have given them some ideas I, maybe it was just a worker in some city council's office baby. You GotTa believe somewhere in this Godforsaken L. A. Government but it's got to be a couple of people who understand what normal people put up with a neighborhood with vagrants taken over sidewalks tunnel somme. Here's what happens. They had zoom meeting South Robertson Neighborhood Council. More than sixty people called in to express opposition to the boulders just four people spoke both spoke in favour these vagrant activists. Get on their social media networks, and they can instantly draw a large crowd that influences the morons on these committees. While normal people aren't aware of this and they don't have the time because they're not connected this way they don't have the social media connections. But I'm sure I lift is applauded privately by by most people in the neighborhood. It's bad enough for business in California these days particularly bad for small businesses. They're taking another hit with a brand new piece of legislation signed into law by Gavin Newsom you'll find out more when we come back. John and Ken show. John. Kobylt and Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio APP. All right. Thanks for joining us. We'll. Of course bring you next hour the voice line people got hacked to throw in the dumpster a story we've talked about a couple of times in the last few weeks it's time to throw that. Politician. into the dumpster later on this hour a different kind of a protest in Orange County. The old people rise up I've had it. With lockdown regulations will explain when we bring on Debbie after the news at. Four thirty magin owning small business this year. A lot of gone. Yeah. A lot of them are gone and that statistic we saw the other day about what percentage yelp. yelp said, sixty percent of businesses that have closed are going to be shut down permanently. I don't know how they came up with that estimate but that that seems reasonable. You can't go six months with no income and You still have some counting. Yeah and you still have to pay bills obviously and then, and then you had the riots were Garcetti let You know eighty-eight businesses burned to the ground because he was pandering to the black lives matter crowd. has been going on. Well. You've got. You've got You've got this bill here. To talk about Senate bill thirteen, eighty three, which was signed by Gavin Newsom. It's from state Senator Hannah Beth Jackson Democrat progressive, liberal. Senator Barbara Woman. And she's going after small businesses, and that's why we're going to focus on that because even if you have just five or more workers. You now have to offer twelve weeks of unpaid time off for family. Leave beginning. January first. You think about US three months three months off and you have to only got five workers. Where does that leave you ended up having to pay for an extra worker for an extended period of time? And and then you have to be reinstated. It's it. It is a big burden. If you're at home saying, well, Komo doesn't sound like a big deal because you have you don't own a business and you don't know what a big deal is to suddenly have to pay for the law was fifty or more employees but they scaled this down to five, and that's what has many in the smaller business and that's really a small business only got five workers. Very. Concerned. So we're going to talk now to a representative from the National Federation of Independent businesses. I'd be about this John Cabot, California State Director Welcome John How are you? A great to be with you guys again John and Ken how you guys ban. It's it's good but. I why did they decide to kick small businesses in the rear end right in the middle of these colossal shutdowns? Well you know guys I would say, unfortunately, everything old is new again, we have a union lead cap state capital as well as trial lawyers making their way through that just wheeled that influence no matter. The fact that small businesses make up more than ninety nine percent of all job creators, jobs You know we just see a hannah-beth Jackson and our progressive capital just. Now. Just kowtowing to the unions and those special interests and forgetting completely striking a nail through the confident mainstream, which is this bill. This bill will absolutely do why is this such a burden on a small business? Explain it to people most people don't run small business they wouldn't know why this is such a problem. Well, for small businesses in California in particular you know right now, if we even if we didn't have this horrible pandemic and the government impose the Gavin newsom imposed shutdowns of our small businesses we actually already are the highest cash state with income sales, minimum wage, corporate tax, gas taxes you guys well know the gas tax. We got small businesses now who bear the brunt of all of that, and then important to point out small businesses pay about three times more to comply with taxes than a larger corporation but any business that's affected by this is going to be affected and most small businesses are between five and nine employees. We did a we did a survey recently showed you guys were. Talking about closures, we found that one out of every five, a small businesses of our membership is going to be forced to close in the next several months. If conditions don't improve this SB thirteen eighty-three, this terrible family bill is just a new tax a new cost. It's GONNA put some nail in the coffin of small businesses and we're just outraged outrage seems like something. Like this would be open to a lot of abuse. Absolutely. Faking sick family members. So they could take a couple of what's off. We'll see that We certainly will see quite a bit a bit of that. The other thing that's important to point out is that we talked to mom and pop grocery. He's the local restaurant owner, the bookstore, and they tell us look first of all a seventy three percent of our members already provides some form of comprehensive leave for their employees. The others just can't afford it, but at the end. Of the day I think there's an assumption that there aren't any leave programs out there guys i WanNa tell you. There are thirteen and employee leave programs already available made available to employees in California. So it's bogus to say small businesses small business owners can't and don't want to. This is just another way to give unions their favor, and for Gavin, newsom and the progressives for find that graver come. Election Day. Are. You finding out from some of the small businesses you work with that. This is really going to be a death now. We Are we are. We already found with them those who actually are just trying to crawl out of the hole that they're in that. The fact that we we have, we have a governor and legislature that failed to push the pause button on the minimum wage increases failed to stop this crazy privacy act, which is going to hit mostly small businesses, and then of course, as you guys I know you've been so silent on ab five the independent contractor. That one alone. This is just a slap in the face to so many that are really just rang frankly just trying to stay alive but that eighty five independent contractor lot. It's just it's just almost as if the legislature saying, you know what? Let's just shut down main street let's get all the unions going. Let's get the lawyers in action and let's get Let's get mom and pops out of here until the California Green the unions interested in family leave for small businesses that just had five or ten employees what what's in it for them you generally aren't talking about union workers here. So. I would they be putting so much pressure on the legislature to affect small businesses they don't have union workers. Right, well, because I think at the end of the day, we also hear from our members and we just know is that they would love nothing more and they would relish no more than two permanently shut down the private sector employers the mom and pops the people who are the people on our corner stores enforce those employees to actually join the union roles They've found that they've been weakened by you know. The Supreme Court Janice decision they find that there's weakness in some areas but This is where way of saying look hey governor hey, legislature If you don't stay with us, we're going to leave you alone and leave you out in the cold and that's that's their lifeline. Unfortunately, they've taken the life mind with this bill away from small businesses and for many This is GonNa be the end unfortunately we We appreciate you coming on and telling our listeners what this does this small business. Thanks a lot. Appreciate you guys we're at NFL DOT COM anybody who wants to be a part of our small business army and thank you. Can you guys are great? That's Johnny. Tech. California State Director of NF IB, which is National Federation of Independent businesses and Gavin Newsom just signed a bill dealing with family leave twelve weeks, which is going to impact because it's lowering the threshold down defied employees. That's a very small business we got more coming up. Play the radio. Television excuse me make sure you have the record player on I know words I had the best words people like mortgage things can be if people like the former chairman and leader. Party in in Germany based on the core principles of fairness. And reciprocity what that turn that that that that that that turn of. Wand in the Sun Mike Bolton, this you know is in Russia. The presidential race. Is John and Ken. John Kobylt Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio. APP, those clips, none of them were doctored. Those are real. Of course if. We do that crap. Listen it's forty six days from November, third and guess what? Voting has begun in four states. People already lined up and voting for president. They're lying to its September eighteen they're sitting at their kitchen tables. No NO INTER LINED UP IN They. Are Minnesota I saw the line of people there was a light at people yes. Oh, they're excited. How little do you have to do? Well, I guess there's a lot of people with. In person voting began in. Wyoming South Dakota Minnesota as long as balance are also going out to people who, WanNa vote absentee but there are allowing some in person voting to begin this early the early voting. four states. So. Biden Dinna. I saw the stories today he did do something of a town hall last night on CNN. With Cooper Anderson did you see any of that up I drive clips of it, but it was it was all setup. They were all really soft questions. These people weren't really independent because all their questions was clear that they were very sympathetic to buy it. I heard one guy go are you going to? Paraphrasing here are you can express your support for the frontline healthcare workers here who've been fighting this during the pandemic? That's not a question. It was just all it was just a commercial was infomercial. and. Cooper Anderson just sat there. Like a lump and there was nobody creating any kind of energy any kind of back and forth. You know nothing rating nothing controversial nothing important. Maybe. You didn't figure it out, but they were on a stage and it was a drive-in people came in cars and Park natch te in Pennsylvania and they CNN carefully marked off the parking spaces. Everybody be six feet apart and they had special red and blue lights over the parking spaces to illuminate the boundaries said that nobody would drift and stupid Anderson Cooper was on. stage. Well, you could see I'm not wearing a mask today, but I, did get tested this morning and I tested negative and I'm GonNa. Keep my distance from everyone participating in this. Oh, they didn't. I heard that He got pretty close to Biden a number of times that in Biden's in the bubble, they probably would have run on stage and grabbed Anderson Cooper away feed them. IMAGINE IF BIDEN GIFT Election St- CNN's just an infomercial network for Biden. It's not. I know say Fox is one for trump. But I did we are yeah. But none of it matters because then trump case man at Fox it's kind of funny. Trump gets mad 'cause boxes and loyal enough to him. They're not. And Chris Wallace is tough. There's a number of guys in that. Channel that are not always just you know raw trump they say critical stuff whereas CNN you're right they're all in the bag I mean the audience is is on average nursing home age so They're giving outside attention and they have outsized influence apparently biden tried to tell everybody that he and. Kamba Harris are the first non Ivy League presidential ticket team a long long time, which wasn't true. Apparently, it's happened a number of topics in modern history but yeah, we'll just wanted to off the top of his head. He wanted to say something very exciting because he's in he's dimension he's in stain, and what I read is the is that the the staff is really nervous leading about they're really prickly. If you ask them about the teleprompters, he has really been working off a script from every appearance, they want all the questions vetted. So by knows what questions are coming or at least the staff, those squats questions are coming. So this wasn't a spontaneous event. By any means, they don't want to do interviews with anyone unless they know the questions then they put up notes on a card or they put notes on teleprompter or they hold up a cue card they are not. Think they skate. They can squeak by this between now and Election Day. Well. Because there's none of the ones that it doesn't matter what Biden. Does when Kombila Harris the other day said during my Harris Administration. We got something similar that came out of Biden. Let's listen so much harder for military spouses to find good jobs and build their careers. Have to change. We're working on that working with leaders like. Lauren Winer. Hiring our heroes. and. Military Spouses Employment Program. For example, making it easy to carry your professional credentials with you from one state to another when your spouse moves. Paris administrations going to relaunch that effort and keep pushing further to make it easier for military spouses of veterans to find meaningful careers to ensure teachers know how to support military children in their classrooms and improved support for caregivers and survivors. So much more than we do now. This. Isn't a theoretical tolerant. He's just reading. He didn't even catch that. He said Harris Biden I. Know usually they presidents named comes I. Always. You know what I think. I think it is really serious and I think this is the way they all talk behind the scenes for all. You know even Biden knows he's not gonNA make it. And maybe he doesn't even want a campaign. Can you imagine how exhausting? This is your seventy seven you've got dementia and they're making you. Fly around the country and and give these speeches and appear before groups. I mean nobody normal would wanna do that. They'd say you know what I had my run. I'm retiring I'm done with this maybe he's being forced into this and they're saying. You just got to be the frontman for the Harish Administration. I think she's been told that too. In He may just dropped from sight once he gets elected. It'd be weird. Paris Biden administrations going to relaunch that offered and keep pushing further make it easier for military spouses of veterans for that phrase the come up twice in a week is not an accident and he didn't even catch it and she didn't even really correct it. She just said Harris Biden administration with the Harrison Administration with with Joe. Biden. Is President. He she didn't say excuse me it's the Biden administrate she just. There's something up here and nobody because nobody wants to report on it. Because the media wants him elected, they want democratic machine elected. They don't care who the front guys Harris is as good as anybody else. Really this is what it is. It's nobody's going to report on it, and the staff is GonNa, wrap them in bubble paper and keep everybody at a distance right when we come back. Another protest against lockdown regulations. This time the seniors rise up in Orange County. We'll have a special guest on next. Kfi Am six, forty, Iheart radio station twenty, four, hour news four stimulating talk we have breaking news to report Ruth Baiter GINSBURG has died. She was surrounded by her family at her home in Washington, DC. She was eighty seven years old and she had pancreatic cancer again. So Justice Ruth because Ginsburg as died. So as soon as we have more details, will, of course, pass them on, but we just got word right now. All right. Thanks Debra. Wiener on we have the guest ready. Well. And of course, this is going to raise a lot of questions about filling that. We're very close to the election. Remember what happened near the end of Obama's second term when we the Republican Senate refused to apply to the matter right now is a guy named Merrick Gardner Merica Garland you're right man garland. He was nominated by Obama and they re they refused to even take the issue and at the time they had fake excuse saying well, you shouldn't be nominated a new Supreme Court justice in in the final months before presidential election. You know with the Republicans just made that up but I wonder well, I mean if I was them, did you just try to rush something in here? I would imagine we're gonNA have this kind of scrambling after a couple of days to observe the sad news. That she had had so many health problems that the speculation was on the board now for a number of years fighting cancer and other chronic health conditions. I guess she was eighty, Eighty, seven, eighty, seven years old. So if you're just tuning in. Supreme Court Justice Ruth, Bader GINSBURG has passed away. At the age of eighty seven we'll keep you posted with any more news but I would hope and I hate that I'm not trying to be a Weenie here I would hope that give it a couple of days before we start screaming about the battle over how fast we replace her on. It'll happen immediately they're out of session though don't they aren't they done until They come back in October. Yeah, they'll be back in session. I mean, they've been doing this Soom I don't know what they're gonNA. Do It's the you know my eight it's it's the only question that every single person in Washington is. Talking talking about this is a key obviously, this is a far left justice. If trump does get to a point another justice. Yeah. Holy Mackerel that could be well five solid. We say five but that John Roberts is Kinda. Is. Getting. squishy. squishy. The other four usually pretty dependable on on the issues. So What do you think trump's GONNA WANNA? Do He's GonNa WanNa get this in? Oh. Absolutely you know how long does he wait? Does he go to twitter right away to talk about? Trump but if just sent out condolences I and act like a human being. But he never does that I know I. Everyone always sit heart by saying so sad to hear the news about. That somebody somebody might do that for him. Right now he's on the phone with whoever has the list. There was a couple of weeks ago. That included Ted Cruz is name. Did you see that story? Now I did see that story. Yeah. But I had heard before that he was already got floated about his supreme quote. List about two dozen people. And they've had it all along because many of the Supreme Court justices are elderly. And yes and so. And I believe in you believe and we all believe she was really hanging on to get past the trump years I think that was probably a real good motivation. Yeah, I. Think it was I think I want to believe them when people had I've and hopefully they'll be a biden administration I. Think People when they have motivation to live can actually eke out more time that people people can give up and and and surrender. It can go both ways but As our guest Debbie ready or we haven't the guest or what happens just explain to me. I Don. Oh, we can't reach. We'll talking about the breaking news then, but we're supposed to talk by them, Debbie Bloom who who emailed us saying there was going to be a protest today. Well Tomorrow I. Guess This was sent. No. This is said Thursday. So today. About Laguna Woods. Senior community that people they're unhappy with paying dues and not being allowed to. Take Part in. The activities including closing the outdoor Patios. There they were going to do it near Gates one, Gate Gate One, five in Laguna Woods. The amenities are closed to of the pools they're paying very high dues, doozer six sixty, and they're going to be raised into their twenty dollars a month They won't even let us the outdoor Patios, we're all getting depressed and lethargic from lack of activity. We moved here thought it was worse worth paying dues because we treasure the activities we didn't even get a cooling center during the heat. So we were going to, we're going to talk to her this is. Another example of government abuse and she has now magically appeared. Oh. Let's get Debbie on the line or Debbie. How are you? I'm great I love talking to. Say How everybody that you're on the phone? From. The owner. Okay everyone's excited. We are in the middle of this protests in my right? Yes. Okay. Tell us. You're standing out outside now. Yeah, we're on L. Truro, which is right outside of WHO Guna, woods, which is a senior community. And we're protesting because. We have five pools and they've only opened three, but they only allow like very limited numbers of people to come. They refuse to put chairs there. So people could sit like after they go swimming. I it's just really hard to get reservations. They're not letting US use any like outdoor patios. We'd like to use that like for dancing or something they've tried everything down. and which we understand the indoor places had to be shut down. But, the even the safe places the. Places. have been shut down and we can't understand it and this is a private. Retirement home. Town community. It's it's like an active senior community. At eighteen thousand people live here. It's an orange. County are. So are you dealing with the government or you dealing with whoever? We're dealing with the board who runs this. I see I thought. You guys are being hemmed in by some government regulations that have gotten out of hand, but you're getting hemmed in by board. Right, and they're like being stricter than the county or the state. And who who is on the board of they residents there just outsiders. Residents recall recall it homeowners, homeowners boards. These are terrible. 'cause you know you get all the wacky fanatic control freaks who ended up on a board and they love telling people today now I've couple of these you don't. Oh my God, they're just hideous people. They are. People. On on these kinds of ideas. Right, because no regular person wants to do it because we want to be having fun in our retirement, I know I. WanNa keep controlling. They live to control. And it's it's the lowest form of politics when you can get on a homeowners board or a condo board or something did you get any? Protests afternoon so you can really make this board feel the heat. Well yes. We we have the Orange County Register and the globe, which is our paper for our community. because. They'll be embarrassed. I mean I guess their answer is GonNa be well, you know this is the most vulnerable part of the population are elderly who are just trying to protect their lives, but the law allows them. To open up the outdoor Patios and give you chairs. Right open all the pools why would they open three and five four? No. Because it control there's only one reason as nothing to do with their key carrying about safety they only care about control. It's their personalities are dealing with, which makes it difficult if it was the law, you could you could read the law and interpret it if it was. Check you could. You could debate the logic right but it's not. It's you're dealing with control-freak personalities and that's right. So changeable, you can't change personalities. I, know. I know we Britain. So many emails to them before we had a resort to protesting. Just, begging them to open all the pools it was during the heat wave. They didn't even open a cooling censor during the heat wave. Away they're raising your your dues, they should be reducing your dues if they're doing all this. I know. We're getting so much less and just for one part of it they're very raising a twenty dollars a month. Yeah be you have our support and sounds like you've got? You gotta the only way to overcome their personality disorders is within embarrass them and create pressure, and just you ruined their day everyday. We will try absolutely well side banks. These people in the dumpster next week. Thanks for coming on. That would be fabulous. Thank you so much. I love talking to you guys. Thank you bloom a resident of Laguna Woods, down there in Orange County. They're doing a protest today because they're being denied many of the amenities that are available there including access to the pools and she says her still playing hide Uis and it's the board she's not the government. The board of Laguna Woods it's a senior community and they're you know they can't have any fun. The couple of the polls are closed. They can't sit in chairs. Can't hang out the patio. People have to be protected from themselves Always meddlers. More coming year the medlar, the signature. John and Ken show. John. Kobylt. Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty. Why? Everywhere on the iheartradio APP, we will be talking vaccines after five o'clock health and Human Services, has offered us one of their members of the department, the Deputy Chief of staff for policy. Paul Mango will on the show what they WanNa do is talk about how the distribution would work when we finally get the Covid nineteen vaccine. Right now everybody's asking, when will we get it? That's all over the place because you know what it is, what it is. But if they don't all out the way, it rolls out but they don't have reciprocal companies in the researchers. There's no magic timeline. But if if they don't have a distribution system setup than it doesn't matter if they they get the vaccine approved. They have to deliver it. Somewhere near your house. And it's complicated and and people take it. You're you're dealing with polls at fifty percent and dropping or people that really want right well, I think people take you think so yeah. Yeah because. You wanted you wanNA walk around Trump on the needle. I I I don't I don't care if the trump while goes on it. I want the vaccine so not to put up this crap anymore. I didn't know anyone walk around really bold and if we're GONNA I, don't need no math exactly. That's right. That's I mean why would anybody want to live the way we're living? I'm on the edge I'm about to take hostages. I'm serious I can't stand this this way of life anymore. and. So I already have the Russian vaccine in your blood small. That's true. It may only work in Russia though I found out. The big news this hour, and of course, it'll be all over the weekend. The death of US, Supreme Court. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg at the age of eighty seven boy. She suffered numerous cancers colon cancer pancreatic cancer, lung cancer pancreatic is the official cause of death this afternoon and in two thousand, eighteen she fell and broke ribs. He may forget that she's seemed to be in and out of hospitals reports are that she was going to retire but trump won. The well. That can create a chance for years angry at cancers extremely tough to be. Alex Trebek's though going yeah. They had new therapies that can extend life. My uncle just died of pancreatic cancer last week at Shell, right? Yeah. How long did he have less than a year? I've had two friends close to my age die from it just in the last few years it's nasty because it's hard to get in terms of treatment and. It it's already progressed into a late stage before you have any symptoms since right He. Alex. TREBEK's said he should have taken his stomach issues more seriously that have been the only hint. He had that something was wrong like this. He had stomach issues. It didn't exactly what it was whether it was just indigestion or like ulcer feelings but he said, yes, some is one of the symptoms that are possibly happening. Some people have vague back pain and of course, back pain everybody has to some extent. Off Right and but there isn't there isn't much else because even the symptoms that may pop up or just to mild. And you know nobody nobody really goes running to the doctor thinking they have cancer. Points in a while, you do nine, hundred, ninety, three by Bill Clinton. That's how long she was on the United States Supreme Court and as we've been saying, there's probably going to be a lot of debate very soon. About. This seat am I right though even though the Republicans control the Senate. They still have the cloture rule that's GonNa make it difficult for them to really bring pastor up a a nominee. My writer will that be an issue. I don't think on the actual voting. But what about the? Democratic, the Democrats did away with the filibuster rule for judges. But, to get there through all the procedures, I don't know the Republicans could always vote to get rid of all filibusters at least for the moment. Oh to make. Yeah Yeah I don't know I imagine that's what that's what trump's GonNa want. He's going to beat everybody up and Let. He'll be talking about this every day now. So confident he's going to get reelected he's. He's not Ni- can't be confident I mean you know the the pulse maybe screwed up at the polls have them losing and at very least it's going to be a photo-finish like last time. So yeah. If I was him, I'd want it ram this through but. It doesn't have a lot of leverage not to be in delicate, but the number is eighty five. Number of people who pay. Picks Yes for seventy two, GINSBURG. Matching her age. All right. Coming up next, we'll talk about the covid nineteen vaccine distribution strategy from the federal government. We don't have the vaccine yet, but they gotta have a plants next. Kfi Am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio. APP. Johnny. Ken Show. John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou coming up we will have another visit from our friends at the moist line. At about five twenty, and again at the end of the Hour Impo Twain, we will throw a hack at a dumpster it to story we talked about a couple of weeks ago, and then some time before that to involving. A politician, you gotta be kidding. Also trying to imitate a better known national politician as your hints. Dominating the news this last hour or so is the story that Ruth Bader Ginsburg United States Supreme Court justice has passed away at the age of eighty seven officially pancreatic cancer. She had been bounding stages of cancer for about ten years and. The announcement was made by the Supreme Court that she has passed away. Right we'RE GONNA talk to Paul, Mango, the deputy chief of staff for policy at health and Human Services and the trump administration We're going to talk with him about when the vaccine is approved and is ready for distribution. How is that going to work? Let's get Paul on how are you welcome to the John and Ken show. Would like to start and just reiterate your comment, which is to honor a life of public service been in. That is justice GINSBURG. So we all mourn her passing and thanks for Thanks for helping US remember that but I'm here to. Answer any questions you might have about the operation warp speed and the distribution of our vaccine. So fire away. All right. Well We're all hoping that. Maybe let's let's just say December first for argument's sake. That there is. the the drug companies announced that they have completed tests and the vaccine works or works well On. How long does it take? Presumably. Before the FDA with their expedited orders from the trump administration to say, okay, it's safe. For. People. To. Use. So I. Just like to this in context I'll answer your question but. Operation Warp speed has led to. The fastest time in the history of mankind the fastest time in the history of mankind from the identification of virus to the time, we got the phase three clinical trials. We have three of our six candidates in phase three clinical trials. we also the fastest time in the history of mankind that we've enrolled sixty thousand individuals in these trials in less than six weeks. So it's really quite a phenomenal effort and the best scientists, logisticians and public health experts in the country are working around the clock to make it happen. So with that said, there is a organization called the data and Safety Monitoring Board an independent. Body that is watching these clinical trials. It's only when they. Say. The data are ready that the data go back to the sponsoring. the pharmaceutical company, and then the pharmaceutical company looks at it and when the pharmaceutical company feel satisfied with it, they send it to the FDA. So you asked me about what happens when it gets to the FDA. There is a body we center of Biologics at the FDA and they have a bunch of professionals who look at all of the data and all of the statistics about the trials, and they have to determine a couple of things whether it reaches our threshold for efficacy in other words is that is that effective in a in a significant number percentage of folks would vaccinated and is it Effective across a range of population. So so some vaccines don't work as well in children. Some vaccines don't work as well and folks over seventy years old Some vaccines don't work as well with people have underlying conditions, for instance. So they look at all that and there's a range of time but let's think about it days maybe seven days maybe ten days maybe four days depends on how ambiguous or clear data Har- and the results of the trial but it. It'll be measured in a number of days maybe a week it won't be monster or anything like that. So it's it's relatively quick. What happens next? I know some of the drug companies are already manufacturing the vaccine anticipating that it will be approved in an end it will work. Distribution. Lines already set up like how quickly would be southern California be able to stand in line to get vaccinated after the file. FDA. approval. Terrific. Well, the short answer is about twenty four hours. Okay. and but let me tell you what the beauty of operation works. Speed is one of the beauties is it's called manufacturing at risk. We have millions of doses of vaccines already manufactured today. That's because the federal government made that investment not even knowing whether or not. These vaccines would meet all of the thresholds from a regulatory and safety standpoint we may wound up we may wind up throwing away a couple of hundred million doses vaccines because we're not gonNA, obviously distribute anything that doesn't get the FDA seal of approval on it, but the purpose for why we did this. Is because we want to be able to ship product within twenty four hours at the time. The FDA says go and that is the commitment. We have the defense logistics agencies from the United States Department of Defense. Actively, working with us and they are working all of these logistics and ensuring that we have dry ice that we have needle that we have syringes, all these kids are being made as we speak right now they're checking the warehouses they have vehicles we're working with ups. We're working with that extra working with mckesson, which is a big distributor. It's a long way of saying within twenty four hours at a time we through from the FDA we want neal's than our. That's what our aspiration is and we're tracking toward that. Where would people go for? This would there be a government sites that would be giving. Clinics. Doctors have this work? Well on Wednesday we sent out a playbook. Interim. Playbook to every jurisdiction in the country including the state of California. And we have a lot of quote solutions for different parts of the population. So nursing homes, how we handle residence nursing homes, homebound seniors, how will we can't have handle those frontline healthcare workers, meat packing plants, ems workers. So we have a lot of those solutions, but we don't impose them on the state. So in your case, the state of California. Is Required to come back to us by October sixteenth to say, Hey, federal government here's where we feel comfortable that we can handle this we have partners they might be pharmacy partners you can think about a walmart or CVS or walgreens they may be a clinics federally qualified health centers hospitals Here's the things we can handle, and then we would like you the federal government to handle these other things we're prepared to handle all of it but we want to give the State I look at what they feel comfortable with, and then we will compliment them. So I can't answer your question directly but you could imagine that it'll be any of a number of. A different types of venues from clinics, two hospitals to mass vaccination sites in parking lots could be the one caveat I want to give you as we're not gonNA have three, hundred, million doses on November first. So in the early days, we will probably be very careful about working with the states and distributing the vaccines to the most vulnerable. I and the most vulnerable or the elderly again, those in congregate settings those with serious underlying conditions. So this isn't we don't want to mislead anyone the average person on the street may not on November I be able to go to their local CBS. Now when will that happen In the January to February timeframe We will have several hundred billion doses already manufactured. So we're GONNA take care of the vulnerable I in in conjunction with the State's guidance. and. Then it'll be broad based availability shortly after the New Year for anyone who wants a vaccine and through our projections by the end of March of twenty twenty one. So first quarter, we will have over seven hundred, million doses of vaccine and remember some of these are two does for vaccination. So That's enough to that khanate every single American who wants to just one more question because we're running out of time, there are several companies that are working on the vaccines they they all seem to be headed towards. A product by the end of the year would would the government be using all these vaccines or would one be favored over the other? Well. We we have six candidates that we've invested in. It depends on which ones get approval from the FDA. Let's say they all get approval Yes. We will be using all of them because we want to get the American people vaccinated just as quickly as possible, and that's the fastest way to do it. I. Paul Mango. We appreciate you coming on and talking with us. Hey thanks John and Ken. Good Good luck with the rest is show. Deputy Chief of staff for policy and health and human health and Human Services in Washington DC, and of course, a prominent member of the vaccine plan from the federal government we got more coming up including the voice lines. Johnny cash show John, Kobylt and Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio APP. Repeating the story in case you're just catching up. On the day's news. The. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader GINSBURG has died. At the age of eighty seven news released last hour by the way of. You asked. Earlier how long is it going to be before they start? Debating the replacement yeah it. Thirty five minutes on my facebook feed. Is that Oh. So it's facebook or facebook where somebody put out the silver lining of Ruth Bader GINSBURG's. Device and just right those are just up. Civilians who? Arguing for their agendas right. But took thirty five minutes to start the start. Date. It may have started before that. Yeah. Let's Oh. We got the hacking a dumpster coming up in about ten minutes or so it is somebody we talked about you know what's important about the second dumpsters this kind of back to the beginnings of hacking dumpster I don't know if you remember this job, one of the first tax through in was inland empire local politician who will we irate about over a local issue? Kind of the same thing is going to happen this time to bring it back to his roots. That's coming soon right now go. Let's pick up the voice line people you drop us a voicemail is a grab bag of people sounding off and all sorts of different things one, eight, seven, seven, Moist eighty-six. John and this is again we're so excited to hear from you. It's about time. This is eager for the Universal Corona Virus Vaccine coalition. RUN OUT OF monkeys to experiment on and we are looking for now small whiny voice Vegan ladies. Non. Voice Ladies. nope. So we can continue out. Of Vaccination. This is rare and Tony. Again. involved. Fatty to join us to. Why are we using those monkeys? Props to you debra mark when we have all those perfectly good prison convicts. Around in prison. Use Convicts to test. You agree there in in. And their human species. The. Data will be much more accurate. I don't know whether people realize if we have to. Going on the first one is the virus that everybody knows about. The second is a government agency to seek to control everybody's life. Nobody gets Collagen in their lips anymore that has not happened since about nineteen, ninety, nine, germ ultra plus. Sorry. For both nineteen ninety, nine or two, thousand, I do not have flipped. Hey My friend's daughter just got married but her husband. Is Non Binary. So we have to refer to him as they at first. I thought maybe she had three people in the marriage but no, it's because he doesn't identify is either male or female. John's. Next time you bring up the philosophies of the words of all government workers or all government workers Babylon. No brains at least say like most government workers or a lot. It's not all. Have back. To they have. Your Name is daily I call it here because I'm. For? dictator. Maybe you know. What we need in this country. To. Control. What office I wind up there. So, if you can me up or at least listeners out there know that I'm running I would long undergraduate. Just eating so much because of the virus this morning at breakfast I had potato chips for lunch I hadn't humour out. And then I find myself now dinner. Idaho join. Of Law. I only had a support group. Democrats would approve trump deporting one hundred percent of illegal immigrants immediately, as long as they were allowed to vote by mail from wherever they ended up. I just got this update I don't know if it's from apple or G. Mail who is. WANNA, try to delete an ad that I get on my g mail. Now, it's acting me to tell them why. Because I don't watch your. F-, in AD. Online people are talking about is called an exit. If you leave. California you have to pay a certain tax. Relieving Primary Ass. When you sell your house. They want more money for an exit package. Since the economy is picking up again, and since people are healthier, expect people to get angrier and more aggressive it's the same feeling that you get after a good night's sleep being healthy. So expect people to be. Angrier and more aggressive. Thank you for leaving your message? Up Goodbye. Well. Rounded collection of Moist Line cars somebody just pointed out is. Keep. Track of the Supreme Court story is Ruth Bader Ginsburg died that trump actually has till the end of the year to get the nomination through. It's true even after Election Day president till January twentieth rats right in the Senate will be in session potentially for the rest of the year the new Senate take over till I think January third or January six something like that. In case they Republicans lose control. So. How Fastest tweet out his nominees I'd say within a week. A week. Within a week well, I mean they're gonNA they're gonNA have one guy ready to go within a week. But I mean how soon does trump send out a tweet where he says I got my guy we're going to do this tomorrow. TOMORROW OKAY THAT'S A. Wake up to it. Hacking, dumpsters neck. It's time for John and Ken. To throw. In the dumpster John Kobylt Ken Chiampou Kfi am six forty life everywhere on the iheartradio APP. Further speculation begins on the death of Ruth Bader. GINSBURG. That there will be a number of Republicans who will not move forward with letting trump puts including Mitt Romney. Lisa Murkowski Susan Collins there may be more that just won't well the with this Republican leaders say they're going to get it done before his term runs out. They have to have a majority they may not. Be Able to get. A. Little say numbers of their Oh fifty three, forty seven is that what it is? Fifty thanks I think it is Republican Democrat. We'll see. Yeah I, I'd be surprised if it happens but. Although, the difference this time is we knew for certain Obama was not going to be president. Yeah. Well, there's going to be twenty sixteen is going to be a lot of pressure on them also in case Biden wins and then you've got a far left wing justice on the court. There's a lot of people that are going to be unhappy with those senators as well. So. Maneuvering the pressure goes both ways here. We're going to throw a Hackett dumpster. The roots of hacking a dumpster when we threw in a local politician years ago when we started this, it is a riverside city councilwoman by the name of Gabriella Placentia and the reason she's going in as she thinks. She is the local version of occasional CORTEX. Alexandria. Court says the New York City congresswoman who has made a name for herself by being way out there nutty with green new deal. What this woman's been doing and Kinda started she one city council election over a man by the name of Sean Mill and then immediately turned around and tried to remove him from his position on the city planning commission simply because she's had enough of white males in politics. That's her agenda. She's pretty open about it. Yeah. Being a white male she gets she gets offended by white males. She gets upset with them and this past weekend. She posted a what Sean, mill describes a racist attack on whites and the Republican Party. She liked a comment on a facebook page that said too many whites especially white men hold positions in government. And she's a middle school counselor at counselor at Loma Vista Middle School in Riverside. And Imagine what she tells those kids, and then on Labor Day around Labor Day, she posted everything that Labor Day stands for is what Republicans and their white voter base eight fair wages vacation benefits paid sick days healthcare equal pay for women unions, etc. Republicans celebrating Labor Day is nothing but the purest form if apocryphal and the this is all Republicans in all white voters in the Republican Party right. Now without getting too partisan over it it's ridiculous that she has a position like this and she uses it to promote an agenda which is to drive out a gender and a race from from political position you imagine. Anybody else. Trying to drive out any other race imagine a white male saying I've had it. There's GonNa be no more black women in our local government has say yeah. Would be unbelievably a big story. Racism works always, and it certainly does come in from Gabby placentia and. I can't imagine how she stays in office. It's amazing what people put up with. You, you could elect another Democrat, who's is not so does not say racist things does not post racist thanks does not say hateful things about people's color you could do that. You get the same votes if that's what you want, but you don't have to get this kind of behavior. And I don't know what it took. I mean she squeaked out the city council election over Sean. Back in November. and. Then as soon as she took office, she made a move to get him off the planning commission, which by the way was not successful his term. GonNa end next March but he is still on the planning commission but he came on our show not long after Labor Day to give us the update in the tweet that John Reggie also re tweeted. Somebody else's post which was even more blatant about we need to rid government of white males. Yeah. So it's it's really it. It is disgusting hateful stuff that all these left-wing people say should not be tolerated. People should be chased out of their Exactly. Horse it is of course, it is and she oughta get it with the same standard. But. But since they believe that there's too many white males in not just government but I think business positions just every it's up to everybody else who is in favor of having white males among others serving in public sheds Ted to organized to get to have a removed we completely lost sight of the fact that this should be completely recent gender-blind. He's the best person. Right? Isn't that what the Democrats and the progressives are supposed to be about? Well, we're not everyone is judged equally an we're not getting that anyway it all the categories they've decided that and they've decided that too many people have unfair advantages to their gender or their race, and we have to correct that by any means necessary and. We had sean on the show. He said she does fancy herself as like a miniature local version of occasional CORTEX. She certainly does certainly laxed brain. Mob in here. By Svetlana and the various mob members moreover the World Ukrainians. Serbians. Branch holes. I usually? Yes, we're ready. Yes. So The Turks. So we're GONNA. Surround Gaby Sanchez pick her up. Toss Sir in the dumpster. Air She will be transferring targeting. Along with the other hundred tortured tax, we throw it in there and some very. Brad and Janet Dumpster warned. Machine the horse. And let me tell you when it's a hundred and ten degrees one. Where the Valley Burbank so since It's bad in there. When we come back, we will get another visit from our friends, the one and only moist line people. John and Ken show John and Ken Chiampou. Kfi Am six, forty live everywhere the iheartradio APP. Right right again the big story Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader. GINSBURG. Has passed away at the age of eighty seven and already articles everywhere about what may come next. Walter from just. He nominated himself to the Supreme Court. That's a good move because then he's got a job either way if. Confirmed I think he can do that too. Oh Wow could you imagine the Democrats will bring how many Bimbos they bring testify. It's not gonNA matter. You know. What they were there they were talking about last time after the Brett cabin off nonsense with all those fake charges against him that day they're going to bring. A Nice Conservative woman as the next Judicial candidate. They will be able to. Bring a sex scandal against her. Now and to go after about abortion everything else so. I'm sure I let's bring out the voice line people for another round of what may have to say one, eight, seven, seven. Six. And this is again we're so excited to hear from you. It's about time 'cause that's seventeen points. We'd percent unemployment rate for the state of California. Keep in mind that doesn't include people like me. I got laid off in October two thousand and eight I. Never found another job again. Almost twelve years. I don't get counted. Regard Petty. Hope, you're proud of the LMU marched with now liquidated do deputies because you're the. Earth with them, you're not mccrash garbage trash strewn you Garcetti you are not my mayor. Danny can I just listen to Eric or city being interview yesterday by somebody about the? Whole protests at the hospital Saint Francis and Lyndon where these super a police officer was shot and they're arresting Erica city what he thought about that. And he said well after all, it's not just a place in time. He goes after all they're in grave condition he actually said that. Is there a lawyer out there in the real world they would represent gold card world and he's Up a gay friendly page, they'll pay for this guy go kart world. Stop crunchies La. County wants to run into the ground this Roy, his business like so many others. Hey. John Hey. Can you know regarding the forest management and the fires I heard an interesting report the other day that climate change only affects south of the Canadian border doesn't for some reason to north of the Canadian border I guess Uh. Climate is perfectly fine once you cross the border into Canada and hardly have they have tenth of the fires that we have or something like that. Yeah. Gavin news conference today. My takeaway is if you're a fireman doing your job, which is noble, he's GonNa praise you about five minutes if you. Were blowing up mud rockets before the pandemic kit. He's GonNa make sure that the homeless get six, hundred, million dollars. But. If you're running a small business and he shut you down and you're out of business, he didn't mention any of those people. And listening to the story about GOPRO world getting shut down in court and Carson, I am livid. So. Politics is a stupid letter what John and Ken Army needs to do is everybody everyday rights, five letters about a random business and we just overwhelmed them with places to investigating closed. This is. After night the backfire idiot who claims that we people who are receiving newspapers are old angry men. May Be old and angry. But by God, we got a record on just how these stupid idiots in Washington and Sacramento, and you know where else is screwing up the country. I'm calling from New Mexico I listen to you guys every afternoon you guys crack me up town. I live in is only about twenty thousand people yesterday people in this town started receiving absentee ballot requests and they're receiving requests for people that don't even exist. Share shooting. La or else I got to talk. So they could not for this yelling down to the. Jeep. Gregory hurting would you mean do the else under times was there at the hospital in lied about it or they didn't think that cop getting ambush was big enough stories. You're. Relieving. Thank you very much choice like people one, eight, seven, seven, moist, eighty, six for next week. Because there, you got old men angry old men who read newspapers. Guys responding to you then that's great. Well, that happens to be true. But but look there's nothing wrong with reading the newspaper. I wish they'd make it bigger though you know. It does. Large print editions. Those right those La Times pretty thin now. Oh I know. Well, you know it used to be the Sunday version of the La Times used to be two or three inches thick and they were and they were all ads. You know most of it was classified ads but now you would never run a classified ad in a newspaper. Now, it just wouldn't happen I coated. Nolan's GONNA come. 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Episode 134

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Episode 134

"Soared and scale contains adult themes, and violence and is not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Nine. Welcome to sort and scale season six episode one thirty four a show that reveals that the worst monsters are. Well, Hello there. I am. So glad you're here. You may have heard my voice before right on this program. My name is Tricia Griffith, and I'm the owner of web sleuths dot com and very thrilled to say the new host were stored in scale Mike days decided to take a bit of a break from the public facing side of sword scale, and he's gonna focus on the content for paid supporters on patriots. In fact, from now on you can get every regular episode and plus episode hosted by Mike exclusively on patriots. And thank you to all of you who have supported the show with your continuing donations. If it weren't for you and entire staff would have lost their jobs and an incredible show would have ended completely as of yet. However that has not happened, and you will continue to get sort and scale ad supported and hosted by me right here on your free feet in all guys. Sometimes a joke is just a joke. There's no need to destroy a man's business. You can just roll on by and mind your own business. Sometimes in any case, the entire incongruity, staff appreciates you and is immensely thankful for your continued support. And now the show must go on. There are saying that are well known and universal. That's for recent. As we traverse continents and study, different languages and cultures. We find that a lot of the same. Universal truths apply. Some of these truths are basic as child's nursery rhyme, sticks and stones will break my bones. But names will never hurt me. Other. Well, known sayings get to the real heart of the matter such as treat people the way you want to be treated and respect is earned. Not given the universal truth extend beyond geographical lines beyond cultures and time, the Chinese philosopher Confucius said without feelings of respect. What is there to distinguish men from beasts we demand respect some of us feel entitled to it? But how we act when we feel disrespected or offended. Says more about our character than anyone's words ever. Cut words have power, but only the power we give them and it's really up to the individual. And not the collective to decide which words have power over you in this brave new or Willian world of outrage culture. We're taught that we're not only entitled to respect, but to the right to correct the words of others. We're taught that bullies are evil and victims are heroes. And that if someone offends you any and all retaliation, no matter how disproportionate is. Right. And just we're taught that we're no longer responsible for own reactions. Once we've been slided or marginalized, and in this strange new landscape, it's increasingly harder to tell the bullies and the victims of heart an entire generation of disillusioned. Perpetual, victims prone to anger to hate and revenge. Take a social media in droves to unleash their social injustice on target after target revenge. After all does feel quite good. And revenge is what was brewing in the thick San Bernardino national forest that blanketed the mountains of east, Los Angeles. The snow stopped falling on big bear mountain after several days of cold, dreary conditions, Jim and Karen Reynolds, were happily reopening their thirteen unit resort mountain vista tucked in between bear lake and SugarLoaf mountain. The other resort owners were happy to the nearly seventeen inches of snow since Friday meant fresh powder, and that meant skiers just a one hundred mile drive, east of LA lies, the San Bernardino mountains, they were covered in snow most of the year and their economy was fueled by tourists from near and far long-term Senator refund for years and just moved out the January twenty ninth. So it was kind of a mess. So we were doing coming in to clean the place up and get it from repairs. It was Tuesday February twelve two thousand thirteen the Reynolds had started their refreshment of unit. 200 three the previous Wednesday. But the mountain had been on lockdown since the seventh. There was a killer on the loose and his last known location wasn't far from there. His burned out truck had been discovered on a forest service road nearby with tracks leading away, but we loved it on law believe on Wednesday. I'm not the first one out. So I don't know when we saw the truck burning over there and heard about it talk. Closer was my first thought was this unit was locked. So I came over and checked it. But it was locked when I checked it. Did surprise me a little bit. I thought it should have been unlocked, and I didn't have a tea with me right unlocked going in checked Tuesday. My next project point, let's finish fiction, the curtain rods, it I started the Wednesday before when we walked in the door quick look around us tres of nothing really unusual. I turn and look the curtains as what I came to fiction. She kept walking towards the back bedroom to get the mattress pay. Hundreds of armed law enforcement officers still scouring the quaint lake town and rugged mountains surrounding it. They had already swept resort community after resort community looking for signs of forced entry knocking on every door. While the search continued San Bernardino county sheriff John McMahon had reopened the resorts convinced the fugitive wasn't in the area, but they were wrong. Got about your front of the fireplace here, and he jumped out of the back bedroom here and holler stay calm. And tearing scream turn and started to run first time I saw Lewis he was running after Karen. And he went by me and brush him as he went by. Running down the stairs. It just felt like they were multiple things crossing my mind like leaving him in here with my husband, and why am I going outside and giving him a reason to have to kill me. They had the door open, and I'm not gonna go out there, and it's same time as when he got hold of my arm right here. And that's when he started saying like just come down. I'm not gonna kill you. Let's go back up stairs the Reynolds upon forboding figure. He moved with quick tranquillity and took control of the situation before Jim or Karen knew what was happening the subject of one of the largest men hunts in LAPD history was living in their rental property, and they were trapped in with him. They knew he was dangerous. It was the only thing on the news. The police were. Looking for a black male six toll two hundred seventy pounds with military and police training armed and dangerous. Jim thought for a moment of trying to tackle their captor to give Karen a chance to get away. But on second thought he decided he wouldn't do much good against a man that large one actor out one interest one excess. Definitely. And I pulled my cellphone out started down when one before getting turned on. I heard him say come on back upstairs. So I turned it that point stuck my cellphone under the seat cushion of the couch and just stand up in walk into the room. She came in first. So he couldn't see me standing up, then he came in told us close said on the couch, and he's talking the whole time saying calmed down. I'm not gonna hurt. You didn't hurt that manage Ennio? I'm not gonna hurt you. Then he told us to stand up but hands on her head turn around and face the wall. Then he had us kneel on the couch Prosser articles in lean forward into a hedge touching the wall. Once we were both Annette than he had me put my hands on him back to us plastic ties to time I ns, and then he did the same thing to carry them. Reassured the Reynolds over and over that he wouldn't kill them. Karen remembers him saying, I know you I know, you know, who I am. I know you've been seeing the news before calling them hard workers and good people. He claimed he could see Jim working on the snow every day, implying, he admired their work ethic. I don't have a problem with you. He told them I just wanna clear my name. He pays back and forth between gathering his things and double checking the Reynolds restraints. He didn't want them to escape before. He could figure out where he was headed next cloudy. Very calm old time. He came back and tugged online to mourn and did Cairns again saga tighter. Then he made us. He's at stand up and walked back bedroom back here. He asked the definitely where my cell phone was told him those at home on the charger, and is it. Okay. And then he searched my other pocket and found said what's in your pocket here? I had a jacket on. Yes. Fuck it. And I just some candy and few diabetic. Yes. It all should obviously concerned about that. He lacked that a degree in came back in with flash clients, and you put the wash clubs in our mouth, and then he'd put a pillowcase over our heads and tuck that in some hours on then he knelt down. I thought it was decided me, but it was probably between us and kind of calm kinda little almost whispers. Now, you're gonna remain calm and not try to get away or give me time to get away. And we. I should. Yes. And he said, okay. And then he got up, and he he left lying next to each other on the second floor of the rental condo. Jim. And Karen were bound with zip ties hooded with pillowcases secured with an electrical cord and gagged with wash Kloss Karen thought. This was the end Barron started struggling right away to try and get free. But I told no they calm quiet perfume is Leslie we can hear him go out the front door. So I'm still listening for the front door to close. I never heard much done. It very quietly. Get hear some noise back in the background. So wait a few few more seconds trying to figure it out while I was the television turn the television. When he went out the door. He struggled against their restraints only able to squirm about on the floor trying to find a position where Jim could remove Karen's hood after that it didn't take long for Karen to remove Jim said and her own gag Jim couldn't really stand up, but Karen was able to get to her knees. And then to her feet audio and utter. I put my phone under the my cell phone under the couch cushion, get to that I could lay it on the coffee table, and I looked over at the coffee table and all that her phone leeann air on the coffee table face up. So they had to get on speaker and took his belly couple of minutes. There's a new phone. We just got these days before. And then took a couple tries yet nine one one. What are you reporting? Doing man. What? Leaving because he had pillow cases of our heads and ago. Did he tell you up like sixteen minutes to? Okay. So this all happened today. You're still tied up. Did he have any weapons on him? How many did he have? Automatically the science. Was he inside when you guys arrived? That. He's been here at this time. Do you think he's been there the whole time because it's MC? And we we're very across from the command center was done. Just across from the command center. Christopher Dorner had been on the run for nine days before the Reynolds discovered. Their unscheduled guests squatting in unit. Two three across the street at another resort. An impromptu command center had been set up spearheading the search for Dorner all within view from the window of the rental in which he now stood presumably he had been in that condo for days. Watching the police looking for him. He was wanted in connection with three murders. One of which was a police officer the Reynolds recognized him immediately. Because by this point, Christopher Dorner. Was a household name and his face was everywhere. He was an ex LAPD officer and ex navy reservist that had declared all out war on his former brothers and blue. He was trained in the tactics of those. Those who now sought him and an expert in the use of handguns and rifles considered a marksman by the navy. He wanted to take out all of those that in his mind have wronged him make them suffer. Like he did. By this time. He had become some sort of a folk hero. People tweeted their support calling him chocolate Rambo relating him to the movie character. John Rambo a Vietnam vet who when met with intolerance in a small mountain town unleashed all his fury on the local sheriff department Facebook tribute pages sprung up rallying behind his mission against the LAPD emission, he outlined in a lengthy Facebook post that had since become known as his manifesto. I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple. Of days, you're saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seeing. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and media, unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD. And reclaim my name his rambling confession explained his motive for murder. He wanted to clear his name of the stain from being fired by the LAPD a transcript of the hearing quoted board member sergeant sherline Anderson is saying that Dorner lacks integrity necessary to be a cop, the chairman of the board, captain Phillips tin grease said Dorner credibility is damaged beyond repair. The last part owner agreed with he was damaged beyond repair. I have. Exhausted. All available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the superior courts and California appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth, and it has now led to deadly consequences. The LA PD's actions have cost me my law enforcement career. They cost me my naval career. I lost my position as a commanding officer of naval security forces reserve unit at NASA Fallon because of the LAPD. I've lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD I've lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD in essence, I've lost everything because the LAPD took my name and knew I was innocent captain field. Tim breeze. Just an is. Izenberg martell. Randy Kwan, and sergeant Anderson all knew I was innocent. But decided to terminate me, so they could continue officer Teresa Evans career. I knew about the meeting between all of you. Where Evans attorney Rigo confessed that she kicked Christopher Getler. Excessive force your day has come the blue line will forever be severed and a cultural change will be implemented. You have a weapon a sleeping giant. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in L A P D uniform whether on or off duty you will now live the life of the prey as during her went on and on about all those who had wronged him one thing became clear, he tried to live his life by a strict personal code of principles standing up for what he considered truth. And justice. But now he saw himself as a victim of injustice stripping away, his reputation of integrity. He blamed the LAPD an organization he saw as full of individuals bed on furthering their own agendas, the highest echelon being so corrupt that it now infected the entire institution America. He will realize today and tomorrow that this world is made up of all human beings who have the same general needs and wants in life for themselves their kin community and state that is freedom to live and love. They may eat different foods. Enjoy different music have different dialects or speak, a second language, but in essence, they are no different from you. And I this is America we are not a perfect sovereign country as we have our own flaws, but we are the closest that will ever exist Dorner priest inclusive. Innis. He wanted peace. But the realization the world did not reciprocate his ideas left him with a sense of deception a feeling that had been with him since his youth. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from the first grade to seventh grade in junior high and in any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights or calling me a or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in a neighborhood where blacks make up less than one percent. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, California, a fellow student Jim Armstrong if I can recall called me on the playground. My response was swift and nonlethal I struck him fast and hard with a punch and kick. He cried and reported it to. The teacher teacher reported it to the principal the principal swatted Jim for using a derogatory word toward me event for some unknown reason swatted me for striking Jim in response to him calling me. He stated as good Christians. We are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did problem is I'm not a fucking Christian, and that old book made a fiction and limited non called the bible. Never once stated Jesus was called. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as an equal human being that day. I made a life decision that I will not tolerate racial derogatory. Terms spoken to me. Unfortunately, I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high injustice seem to be the focal point in young donors mind. He saw everywhere it followed Dorner through his youth and into his high school to Mr. Freid assistant, principal cypress high school. Remember when you lie to my mother and the police officer in your office, stating that you never stated to me in a private conversation that you knew the theft suspect. Miranda stole my watch. Let me refresh your memory a physical education. Teachers assistant a student stole the list of combination codes to people's lockers from the P E teacher. That's. Student then open many of those lockers and stole students personal property. My watch was taken in that multiple theft. And I reported it to you a week later you discovered that the theft suspect was Paul maranda a student. You stated to me in private that you knew for a fact he stole my property when I attempted to retrieve my property from the suspect campus security was called, and you lied and stated that you never stated to me that you knew who stole my watch you sat there and lied to their faces right in front of me. You said it was such a deliberate stern face. I never forgot that. And was not surprised when thirteen years later. I was lied on again in the board by Theresa Evans. Maybe you can confess to your family at the very least in the private of your own home. After that, contact my mother and apologize for lying to her in nineteen ninety six by the time. He entered the police academy donors enduring victim mentality triggered in him. And infallible sense that he must act swiftly and that he was right to do. So even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise. I heard officer megani. Call and individual her again now that I had confirmed it I told megani not to use that word again, I explained that. It was a well known offensive word that should not be used by anyone he replied, I'll say when I want officer Deos, a friend of his also stated that he would say when he wanted at that point. I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I place my hands around Deos, neck and squeezed. I stated tuber Deos don't fucking say that at that point. There was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers what I should have done. Was put a Winchester ranger s x t nine millimeter one forty seven grain bullet in his skull and officer Magana school. The situation would have been resolved effective immediately. In each instance. He refused to stand idly by and let injustice occur. Instead, he took click and decisive action, no one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything. I've ever was as a young police explorer. I found my calling in life, but as a young police officer, I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch during her head a long list of targets and a plan. He put into effect the evening February third Super Bowl Sunday. I wasn't on call for the police department. I received word of a double homicide in city of Irvine. And I responded we encountered too. Subject's later identified as he Florence and Monica Quan who had been shot to death in vehicle on the top floor parking structure in city verbally. He's Monica where young love. Keith was twenty seven and working as a campus officer for the university of southern California and Monica was twenty eight at Cal State, Fullerton, women's basketball assistant coach they had just gotten engaged. A proposal Keith recorded from multiple camera angles. They're not here. Dr about you. Okay. What? You're my best friend. You're my girlfriend, and I've had you all the time. So it's about time. You're more. So. Monica. Fun. Would you marry me? Yeah. Okay. On his living room floor were rose petals in the shape of a heart. He's knelt in the middle and ask for her hand in marriage. Just a few days before their deaths would be investigated by Irvine detective, Victoria, her Tato. It was obvious that it wasn't a robbery because Monica Quan had a beautiful large diamond engagement ring that was very obvious on her finger at that time the contents of her purse were also undisturbed into the they were gunned down atop the parking garage in a residential district in Irvine, America's safest mid city across the poem lane street apartment highrises towered far above the parking structure. Anyone could have witnessed the attack? But no one heard or saw thing there were powder, burns encompassing. The bullet holes through the glass from the gun being fired at close range. The garage recorded their entry time at seven thirty pm. But the couple wasn't noticed until nine ten pm. When a passer-by saw a figure slumped over the steering wheel of a car detective her Tato question, how fourteen shots could go unheard unnoticed in those early morning hours that day we really didn't have anything we were really focusing on. We we looked into the family and the friends and the victims, and we didn't have anywhere to go without point. We were really looking for leads and looking for other avenues to pursue. Meanwhile, one hundred miles away of Irvine in National City, a seemingly unrelated discovery was found in a dumpster down an alley in view of the National City police department. We had no idea about what was going on as far as the the the incident that occurred remind just a radio call of some located police tactical type property in dumpster just across the street from the police department. Hi responded over there since it was my area responsibility. Or my beats when I looked inside the dumpster. I saw that. There was a LAPD uniform. It had the name plate of Dorner on it. There was no badge. There was a couple green military-style ammo cans with amunition and their twenty to believe it or some ninety millimeter around. There was a notepad with the same name Dorner another name on there with both. There was look like serial number or I was assuming maybe badge numbers are dispatched contacted LAPD to see if there was any link between that property and those names Evans with serial number Dorner with serial number. And that's when they advised that Dorner was no longer an employee didn't seem like based on that serial number or the batch number. However, they work at and then Evans was an actual sergeant that wasn't on duty at the time. But they were gonna try to get a hold of because I was just asking to see if she, you know, she knew how to get a hold of because this property, and she was like I had him as a trainee. A while ago said he was kind of strange guy said that he was she believed. He was either in the army reserves or the navy reserves wasn't sure when she was unsure of how to get a hold of them. So I just impounded for safe-keeping at that point at sound property. And that's only after realizing Dorner was did the questions arise the quick. There's you can come up with you know, maybe he wanted to be identified. And I mean, I don't know why he would dump the stuff if he didn't wanna be dented. The other thing is is, you know, always runs through mind. Maybe he wanted to ambush an officer. You know by getting that radio call doing it right in front of a police department to make his you know, his point. I mean, I don't know. I think that day the good thing on our end to kinda cancel that theory. I was hoping is that there was about three officers that were here. Why would he drive around the police department or in this area? I mean, if he wants to get away real quick. There's many other places to just dump that property the morning following the murder of Monica and Keith from a hotel room in Manhattan beach about forty miles away Dorner posted his rambling open letter to the world on his Facebook page. It wouldn't be until three days later Wednesday, February six that police would discover Dorner manifesto when Christopher donors name came up that definitely gave us a new focus and as the day progressed, we focused in on him, more and more and he became a more worthwhile lead. Amidst his accusations and perceived slights, pop culture references and life history. Dorner had very clearly threatened Monica Quan, I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own. I'm terminating yours. Kwan Anderson Evans, and bore members. Look, your wives husbands and surviving children directly in the face. And tell them the truth. As to why your children are dead endures mind, killing Monica Quan was justified he wanted Randal Quan Monica's father and former LAPD captain donors Representative in the board of rights hearing to feel the loss. He felt it was all out fame day. It was all that Wednesday that we that. So much information was coming in and so much was going on because that was the same day that the manifesto was discovered. Now, just having read those first few lines were killing and my first concern was the safety of some of those people that were involved I immediately called Randy Kwan to make sure that he and his family were in a safe place. And to let him know that there was what we potentially felt was a threat on his life and his family's life. The police had no idea were during her was or who you would target next. So they sent out protective details to every target mentioned in his manifesto around. Two hundred cops were sent across jurisdictional lines to protect those Dorner felt stripped him of his pride. We've is this in order to put a police officer in one place twenty four seven three sixty five takes five point five employees five point five police officers. So when I have to security details at fifty areas will you do the math. It's an incredible burden on our resources. It takes a thousand police officers out of the equation easily. But the public should remember this isn't just about us. You know, this is a man who has demonstrated that he will kill civilians who are connected a lot for his targets hunk. Asian officers who victimize minorities black officers who saw retribution towards subordinate Caucasian officers Hispanic officers who victimized their own ethnicity, lesbian officers. Attempting to prove missing tryst authority by degrading male officers. Asian officers who say nothing about injustices witnessed giving them the military design of high value targets by that evening. We receive word from San Diego of a attempt boat. Checking in which they believe that Christopher Dorner was a suspect at ten thirty pm in Playa one hundred twenty three miles from the Manhattan beach hotel and approximately one hundred miles from Irvine. Police were informed that a man matching donors description was spotted trying to steal a boat. Eighty one year old Carlos Capri Oyo owned a forty seven foot boat that was docked and slip a twenty. He heard footsteps and then Dorner appeared armed with a handgun. I don't wanna kill you. He said, but you're gonna take me to Mexico Dorner unrolled the boat from the dots. Throwing the rope into the water almost immediately. It became entangled in the prop and the boat wasn't going anywhere. Apper yoyo offered his car keys, but Dorner abandoned his idea tying up Capri Oyo with his own shoelaces before stealing his cell phone and fleeing into the night at that point, the suspect of courting, the victim became frustrated took a few small items, including cell phone, and and some other miscellaneous items from inside the boat and tied the victim up and left in an unknown direction. The following day Thursday, February seventh Dorner was spotted again. Again, this time by repo man Lee McDaniel at an AM PM convenience store in corona once again over one hundred miles away from his last known location mcdaniels truck was outfitted with license plate readers to help locate vehicles to repossess he recognized order, although he didn't know from where until he saw his truck. He knew the man on the news was driving a Nissan titan. But the police described it as blue not gray like the one the man was standing next to when he punched in the license number distributed by the police McDaniel system pulled up a picture of gray. Nissan, titan with a roof rack and a bed cover exactly like the truck at the pump. He knew it was Dorner. He fled the parking lot and pulled across the street as Dorner pulled away and disappear down the road. As McDonald tried to dial, the police he noticed an LAPD officer pull into the gas station, he attempted to. Alert police that he had just saw the man they were looking for. No sooner. Did he get the words out of his mouth did Dorner drive back by and pull onto the freeway? The LAPD officers only in corona to guard one of donors targets followed the truck on interstate fifteen to confirm it was actually him. They followed the truck down magnolia, offramp and instantly knew it was Dorner. One twenty four this morning. New Nassar's LAPD were in route to a special detail related to search for a Christopher Dorner. They were flagged down in this area of AM PM by witness who gave them information who they believe that they observe Dorner. The officers began to follow that vehicle about two blocks too. Few ways north on the fifteen exiting magnolia immediately exiting the freeway. The officers amazed at turn to eastbound where the suspect exit vehicle was outta vehicle immediately with a shoulder weapon and showed it to shoot at the officers. The officers took cover returned fire both officers and one of our officers was grazed during that incident. The other officer is an injured the suspect immediately entered the vehicle entered his vehicle and continued eastbound doing her head pulled over and parked his truck and was armed and ready when the. Police cruiser just came into view. He unleashed his fury of his two. Twenty three assault rifle filling the car with holes. Luckily, only grazing one of the officers head, but completely disabling the vehicle before they could recover Dorner was gone out of range for their radios. They had to use cell phones to call the police dispatch alerted all units. All units beat him over the love nine LAPD window and routed occurred it that fifteen freeway magnolia the one eighty seven suspect from Irvine breaks. The suspect is still outstanding. It's a black. Nissan titan. Seven x Ray zero three one nine one. It was less than east on nag Neue towards garden. Got the call Dr one twenty four hours. Eight. Anyway. I'll be eleven ninety nine thirty one. As dispatch alerted all units. Dorner had already made at ten miles down the road into riverside at a stop light. He noticed a police cruiser sitting across the intersection the voice, you heard breaking into the dispatchers announcement was Andrew tacky ass-, a rookie officer on his last night of training with officer Michael Crain, driving towards magnolia kinds of token around a little bit with the other while stopped at the intersection of magnolia and Arlington avenues Dorner saw them before. They saw him members. Those being sought. A cabbie Kareem code saw the gray. Nissan titan. Pull up next to him. Then creep across the street before the light turned the riverside officers didn't notice this infraction as Dorner pulled alongside a late model Chevrolet cavalier between him and the police cruiser Dorner opened fire. He never got out of the car. He simply fired from the driver's seat over the car between him and his target. He fired at least thirteen times into the two men. Go real rough. And I felt that if I were to just close my eyes, I would pass the night hottest bleeding out. It was more of a mental game. Physical for me. Tackiest was struck nine times the bullets hitting him in the back legs, arms and shoulder. His partner was worth oh, my out an idea. Things are looking good beside turned him in the car and asked if he was all right. And I didn't get a response when tackiest lipped to his training officer, Michael Crain. He was dead sitting straight up in the passenger seat the fatal shot to his jugular vein code the taxi driver jumped from his vehicle as the police car slowly rolled across the intersection now out of the control of tackiest who lost the use of most of his body. He reached through the shattered window and forced the cruiser into park causing it to lurch to a stop Agassi Ghana reaching towards my body. And I assume as to grab the microphone Mike was drafted into the car. Mike in a held up to a mouth for me. Is able to get help. Obviously officer tackiest survived the ambush by Dorner and was dubbed the walking miracle by his fellow officers. Michael Caine was pronounced dead at the hospital. But his passing was almost instant riverside police now had the hardest job to do to tell us wife Regina that her husband was gone. I remember having a dream shortly. After that that I was standing in the kitchen with him, and we were doing dishes, and he said you can't keep doing this. Gene, you have to stop this. It's you know, I said, what are you talking about? He says, I'm gone. I'm dead. You cannot just keep talking to me like this. And I said, no, you're right here. No, I'm not I'm I'm gone. You've gotta stop and I woke up screaming and crying, and he was in bed next to me. And I made him turn on the light. I need to see you. I need to see you make sure your real. And he says, okay. I'm right here. I'm real. Will you know, hug me close and went to bed with the lights on that night. The rest of the night, you know, but it was just a real very very real thing. So when they came to me at four o'clock in the morning to tell me that he had passed I opened that door and saw those cops out there. And I said, no, this isn't real it's a dream. And I shut the door and Brian Wilson who was one of my school friends put his hand up and said, no Gina the it's real let me in. My new they didn't have to tell me. Nobody did say he's gone. I just. I knew. My first questions to them were could it have been prevented? Did he suffer? No, gene. It happened. Very quick. He didn't suffer. He didn't sit and think he was peaceful said when they showed up his eyes closed, and he was sitting upright, and he's very peaceful. I heard that actually from the cab driver to that was first on scene and helped Andrew to call the police. He said that my husband died honorably that he was sitting upright. So everything that I had heard about that was all confirmed Dorner had struck again in a scape. This time. A cop was killed bringing the body count now to three dead and two hundred the city was gripped in fear and the toll Dorner had taken was starting to weigh heavy why this slipped from his principles these four men weren't in his manifesto, two of them weren't even LAPD the feel of the case, absolutely. Changed without time. And we didn't know where he was going. You know, win were chasing him down in San Diego. And the next thing we know he's in corona and riverside. We had no idea where he was going to show up next. He had come completely off the manifesto. But he had in a sense now declared war on blunt force -ment, and we didn't know where he was going to show up, and the fact is key ambush, the law enforcement officers just as he had Monica and Keith and never gave any of them attainments tensions. Ran high amongst his former brothers in blue the ambush was an open wound, and they were fighting for their lives, these soom they could be ambushed anywhere at any time by a man trained in military warfare. He was dangerous and unpredictable. To city June that that we don't know why he was in corona we know that he had a significant event just before he came into our city and the the contact with with this gentleman in at Arlington. Magnolia is is the only contact that. We know about we believe he he departed the city after this is this is a somewhat unprecedented, or at least very rare occurrence for us. We have a trained and and heavily. Person who is hunting for police officers. Many of the crimes police officers. Get injured and killed are opportunistic people trying to get away, and such this is pretty personal stuff. He's told us what he intends to do. And so far he's done. It. Look at you have been individual who was who's dangerous who's not getting captured that that is undeniable that should be a concern for all of us. And we certainly concerned. We don't visiting angels travels have been so far reaching the white spread that. We don't believe that there's any one community that is a particular risk. No one community was at risk because they all were at risk Dorner story, captivated the nation and his picture was broadcast on every channel and every news outlet dug into his past with his infamy growing sightings increased with reports of Dorner being all over the state, then as if on cue to support doors claims of excessive use of force the police slipped up. It was early around five AM when Margie Khurana and her mother Emma, Hernandez were delivering newspapers in Torrance. It had only been a few hours since Dorner killed officer crane and cops were on edge margin. Emma, had a simple job drive down the street and throw newspapers to the front of customers houses, what the police was a truck that looked a lot like Dorner 's free ping down the street toward them. The officers were stationed outside potential targets home a captain on the force. When one officer missed hook a newspaper hitting the ground as a silenced gun shot. He opened fire then the other seven officers opened fire releasing at least one hundred rounds and Alder actions, increasing the potential that they were shooting through their target and Addie other all their training went out the window. It's not policy to just open fire and definitely isn't policy for the group of them to encircle and gunned down suspect Margie, suffered a minor gunshot wound. But her mother who was handling her newspapers. From the back seat was shot twice in the back as she tried to shield her daughter their truck a blue Toyota Tacoma, not a Nissan titan was dotted with bullet holes some rounds. Missed the truck entirely striking the front doors of nearby residents. A few blocks away officer. Brian MaGee was racing to respond to the shots fired. Call and saw a black Honda ridgeline pickup driving away in the pickup was David Purdue on his way to do some early morning surfing and had already been stopped and questioned by the police when officer McGee saw him. However, he decided to ram him with his cruiser the point of contact was right behind the driver's side door, the airbags hadn't fully deflated before three bullets flew through Brian's windshield, barely missing him another case of mistaken identity and overreaction in the midst of donors rampage the city. The deaths of Monica Quan, Keith Lawrence, and our brave riverside police officer. I also feel great sadness for the injuries suffered by officer the second riverside officer. And the two one involved citizens in Torrance, tragically, we believe that this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers. The arts of the Los Angeles Police Department and my own go out to the families that lost loved ones do the donors criminal actions. Anyone who sees Dorner should contact nine? One one donor is to be considered armed and extremely dangerous. Christopher Jordan Dorner, his -scribed as a male African American approximately six foot tall, two hundred seventy pounds. He's thirty three years of age. He has black hair and Brown eyes donors photos are displayed here. Joiners vehicle is described as a late model. Nissan, titan pickup. It's a four door dark gray in color. The vehicle is a quipped with a roof rack and tunnel cover over the truck bed. The truck has black rims and a department of defense sticker on the driver's side of the front windshield. We are unsure the license plate as we believe. He has switched plates. We acid anyone who sees him or this vehicle should not approach or attempt to contact him. But immediately immediately, call nine one one and notify law enforcement authorities. Of course, he knows what he's doing and we trained. He was also a member of the armed forces. It is it is extremely worrisome and scary, especially to the police officers involved. You know, the the riverside officers were cowardly ambushed, they they had no opportunity to fight back. No pre warning. You know, imagine imagine going about your workday having to worry about that threat. The Los Angeles police chief, Charles Beck. Clarify Dorner and his trucks description hoping to end the misidentification 's if you can call what happened to Margie, Emma and Bryan cases of misidentification the manhunt intensified spilling over into surrounding states. And the tips continued pouring in donors wallet and briefcase were found near where he tried to steal the boat. The wallet had an authentic detective badge in it. But the real break was. When a burnt truck was found way up on the mountain over one hundred miles away in big bear. It was in the middle of the road that it was blocking the whole road the hair on my next it up the front of Vic was facing towards the tree here. It was at an angle the trees partially scorched at this point. I saw some tracks the front of the vehicle right alongside the treat the tracks leading up to the snowbank was up and up in this location. I tied in with the deputy onto and ten f road. He stated that he was looking for a vehicle that appeared to be on fire. We had some additional deputy show up maybe two or three more deputies at this time. They all had their shocked on's they made approach to the vehicle with their guns drawn. They said to me this fits the description of a possible. Murder suspect from down below. What is scary morning for me? It was that's for sure Ganyana gallon, a snow. Oh, Pao driver noticed the gate to the forest service road to Inten was unlocked, and he decided to check it. The service road was narrow and hard to navigate even when there wasn't a thick layer of snow on the ground in February. There was always snow even those who lived in town required snow chains just to get around when the plow drivers stumbled upon Dorner gray Nissan, titan burnt to a crisp with tracks leading way in the snow. A frenzy ensued on the mountain that afternoon with swarms of law enforcement, agencies and news crews alike. It had been just over twelve hours since he slaughtered officer crane and seriously injured officer, tack ios and the thirties were hot on doors. Literal frail he wasn't going to get away. By that evening. The mountain was covered with law enforcement arm to the teeth searching for order. Meanwhile, the news media dug deeper into donors accusations, researching the board of rights hearing, he claimed was unjust turns out that Dorner mailed. Anderson Cooper package that included a coin he received an honor of his military service from former chief of police William Bratton, he had filled it with holes from a high powered rifle alongside DVD labeled. I never lied. Here's my vindication. Evans, kicked the suspect. Very respectfully. Chris Dorner more of the breaking news in southern California man of the ex cop and suspected triple murderer Christopher Dorner as you might know. He sent me a porthole a learned about it. Just yesterday contained a bullet riddled keepsake coin from former L A police chief Bill Bratton also contained DVD that had testimony. From the man at the center of the incident that Dorner says precipitated his firing the men Christopher Getler says he was kicked by an LAPD officer and Dorner apparently believes that get lers account will bolster his case against the police force case, he lays out into tale that lengthy rambling manifesto. The question is is there really anything to Dorner manifesto read in eight oh seven I reported an officer officer Teresa Evans meal sergeant for kicking a suspect excessive force during a use of force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD's harbor division while coughing the suspect Christopher Getler Evans, kicked the suspect twice in the chest. And once in the face the kick to the face left, a visible injury on the left cheek below the I unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors nothing was done. I had broken their supposed blue line. Unfortunately, it's not just. Just us. It's justice. In fact, ten months later, six twenty five eight after already successfully completing probation acquiring a basic post certificate and intermediate poster ticket I was relieved of duty like L A P D while assigned to patrol at southwest vision. It was clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Getler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect. I later went to a board of rights hearing during this Bill are hearing a video was played for the panel. Where Christopher Getler stated he was indeed kicked by officer Evans in addition to Christopher Getler, stating he was kicked his father, Richard Getler. Also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by officer. When he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me what they didn't mention was that the panel made up of captain Filton grease, captain, Justin, Eisenberg and city. Attorney Mortell had a significant problem from the time. The board was assembled captain Phil tune grease was a personal friend of Theresa Evans from when he was her supervisor at harbour station that is a clear conflict of interest. And I made my argument for his removal early and was denied the advocate for the L. A P B O R was sergeant Anderson Anderson also had a conflict of interest as she was Evans friend and former partner from harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to Evans, and it was denied the board determined that Christopher Getler deposition was deemed untrustworthy because he. He was intellectually challenged therefore the kid never happened in his deposition. He reiterated that he wasn't deed kicked in the face of being interviewed in tape recorded with his permission is Christopher Geller. Is that correct Kris? Okay. Now, I wanna ask you about the police contacted you head at the DoubleTree hotel. You remember that? Yeah. Okay. You member be taken into custody by the police. Do you remember whether there was a struggle? And during that struggle where you kicked in the face. Did he have to say, yes, or no, okay? And do you. Remember how many times you were kicked in the face? Once Kate and do you remember where you would kick in the face? All right here. Okay. And do you. Remember who kicked you in the face? Officer do you remember what sex with a male or female? Phil. And do you remember whether they will white or black? Blood or almost black. And I was. Do you remember whether the female had light, color hair or dark hair? Her hair. Is there is was the light lider? Okay. But do you remember being kicked? Yeah. Okay. And how many times? Okay in where. Okay. Excellent. I'm going to stop the Tate, and it is approximately eleven forty eight hours. Christopher thank you very much. The voice you hear asking the questions as former police, captain Randal Quan, representing Dorner in the hearing Dorner blames Kwan for not fighting for him. But here's the real problem. Getler remembers being kicked by female officer on the date in question. But officer Evans is white not black like Getler recalled in his deposition. Another issue was that Dorner waited months after the incident before making the complaint Dorner claims in his manifesto that he waited due to other complaints had already filed citing his feared retaliation from his former officers to the board. It looked like as if Dorner didn't file the complaint until after he received an unfavorable review from officer Evans, making it look like some form of retaliate. Nation on his part, whatever the boards reasons for citing the way, they did Dorner felt betrayed by the very institution. He loved and trusted a career. That was too tightly woven with his identity was stripped away. He probably asked himself the question. How can I be right until the truth and still be wrong? I think that was his tipping point the moment. He realized being an honorable person isn't enough to make the world better place. He had to act. a storm was bearing down the mountain and by the evening of the seventh. The police had affectively locked down. There were checks of every car coming or going on only three routes up the mountain they announced door to door searches. The FAA warned way media helicopters the mountain became a no fly zone and schools were put into lockdown then the snow began to fall the next morning. Friday, February eighth two thousand thirteen sheriff John McMahon vowed to continue the search in spite of the falling snow. It was called off briefly during the night, the conditions were just too harsh that day twelve point nine nine inches of snow was recorded falling on big bear, any tracks would soon be gone with the store flurries. Came flurries of doubt surrounding donors case stirred up by the media LAPD chief of police, Charlie BIC announced the case have reopen. And I'm going to look into his allegations. Again, we're going to reopen the investigation and take a look while all facets that investigation, but it's important this, and this is maybe the most important thing that I want you to know, I want your viewers to know. I'm not doing this to appease him. I'm doing this. So that the community has faith in what the police department does. And I'm going to make a rigorous inspection to either validate or refute. His claims we'll make that inspection public. I do it. So the public has competence in the Los Angeles apartment and his processes, and you know, when when we talk about reopening the investigation what I said is that we're gonna reexamine the investigation go through it. We're going to reenter view witnesses. If necessary we're gonna look at all the evidence because I think it's important that we'd be transparent about this. Whenever anybody raises allegations. We look at them. And that's that's what I've said consistently. I think that it's also important recognized that this investigation has already been reviewed had multiple levels, including two levels of of the court review. And so even though all of that has happened. We're gonna look at it. It again. And if there's if I have to redo something or deal with an issue I will deal with publicly, but unfortunately, we can't make all the interviews public because that's against a lot. While the LAPD was trying to regain some semblance of trust from the public. The search for Dorner continued specialized vehicles with tank treads were brought into help. Traverse the deep. Snow armored personnel vehicles shuttled reinforcements and relief to and from the mountain. The search continued through the weekend and officers worked long shifts dredging through knee, high snow in altitude with very little oxygen on Sunday. A reward was offered good afternoon. Today. The search for Christopher Dorner continues. And let me be clear. Dedication to catching this killer remains steadfast confidence that we will bring them to Justice is unsure can. This search is not a matter of if it's a matter of win. And I want Christopher Dorner to know that. To that. And we're all here today for one purpose to stand United and say that we will not tolerate a killer targeting our officers and their families targeting innocent people in this city and in this region. Yesterday leaders from throughout the region, including leaders from businesses government, law enforcement and community groups came together to pool resources and protect our core. Value public safety. Collectively this group led by my office is posting a reward of one million dollars for information that will lead to mister donors capture. We will not tolerate anyone undermining the security the tranquility of our neighborhoods in our communities who will not tolerate this reign of terror that has robbed us of the peace of mind that residents of southern California deserve. We will not tolerate this murderer remaining at large. Well, the mayor of Los Angeles offered a reward a thorns on the mountain had no choice, but to scale back the search after four days with not a single additional clue they knew where he wasn't. They had already searched over four hundred homes. He could've made it off the mountain. He could be dead under the snow somewhere or he could be held up in a remote cabin. They have yet to check. He could be anywhere. He was heavily armed highly trained and was fully prepared to die point one floor. Looking vehicle to Dorner was fleeing in the Reynolds stolen. Nissan rogue down the mountain on highway thirty eight officers on the way to set up a checkpoint further up the highway noticed a small SUV tucked behind two buses heading down the mountain. Pass by where classroom headed down going down glass rose we lost. We had a visual on a small or fillers on as you. We were in direct for trying to catch up to par. We had located. They turned down glass fourteen head beyond glass doing area or keep going down the officers spotted a vehicle that messed description, but lost it in the winding mountain roads. Officers scrambled to glass road from all-direction rexes to give you an idea how much time had passed since he left the Reynolds tied up at the time of the siding near glass road. Officers were just arriving to unit two three. Anything back doors open. But in possibility of amber source, they come if you out. Calling out for you. Can you hear them? But the doors windows, the close. Can you try to scream out to the debt base? Please. Before anyone could investigate glass road. Rick held a break and employees at a nearby resort was already they're heading towards highway thirty eight when a man came out of the woods about a half of the highway. On a right here in curves. And I saw some movement off to the left and the trees, and I could see it with somebody with a gun, which we've seen a lot of people around here with guns lately sheriff people in and others checking our camps and our properties and things just like we saw in the news. They were doing and big really on down to the area, which I got around. So I knew they were around just kind of what I thought I mem-. I could tell it was some as redoing you came out of the snow every with his rifle pointed AMI willing going very fast. So I stopped, but my truck in par put my hands up, and he came up, and he said, one of her shoe just get out of your truck and start walking and take your dog. And that's what I did. I said can I take did release? You said no just start walking. Got outta truck. I my dog. Started walking up the road as he wanted me to got out about maybe ten seconds later heard a pretty good size volley of gunfire from where he was at ten twenty twenty five round something like that. So apparently, he got in my truck and turn it around. And he was going to be heading down the road. I was just coming up on. So at that point kind of bailed off the paved road and into the snow fell myself a big tree to hide behind and I called vocal deputy seen earlier on his cellphone got his number. And he enter what's up Rick. And I said volley just my truck. So he could firm dish pitching my trunk and said, okay and get run into snow up to the highway, and I got into the highway called a friend at it at the camp near Biden's drop. What you're doing and come give impaced hang out of your it was clear from his demeanor that I wasn't one of his targets, and he just needed a vehicle, and I was happy to oblige. Another a white pick up truck. Headed down by road and offensive. Called me heard shots fired after two construct. Copy although to glass road and thirty eight possible vehicle white dodge truck headed down RPO also advising her shots fired on the other end of glass road three wardens from the California Department of fish and wildlife were in two vehicles heading toward highway thirty eight on the lookout for the purple rogue. Warden Dustin holyoke was in the first few couple and notice Dorner driving the white dodge pickup Dorner son to holyoke radio the second vehicle, but it was too late Dorner opened fire as he passed wardens, David McNair, and Ben Matijas on glass road, shattering windows, and pitting body panels with bullets. Luckily, he missed both the wards and their German shepherd Reno Ben Mataya, Sephora marine left from the truck and returned fire unloading the magazine in his high powered three eight assault rifle he watched Dorner wound down the Mao. Mountain road and out of sight. Three or four six. Go ahead. By that. There have been cool heading down west road towards Radford Campbell road or possibly seven resorts. Then officers found the rogue five thirty year. I have the road only land throw up beside the road. Five copy about a quarter of a mile down glass road from highway thirty eight they found a stolen rogue crashed into a snowbank airbags, deployed. There's a silence cyber rival even the backseat. How did the vehicles clear what the silent sniper rifle in the backseat? That's Naipaul rifle was inscribed with the word vengeance. There was also a satchel containing smoke grenades. And CS canisters top grade tear-gas Dorner was on the run and leaving things behind panic. He was close and the officers on the mountain could sense. His desperation a radio call went out. They reached a point where they had tracks going in both directions up and down the mountain. Vehicle and what trash and we fall or but. Sunfire for. Kevin some kind of shots fired Sevenoaks Cowan. Between fire. Have you talked to half mile of of? Copy officer down during her was in the cabin taking potshots at the officers. The dodge pickup Ditz down a hill behind the cabin. Detective Alex Collins was shot below the knee in the arm in his chest and in his face knocking teeth out ripping through his tongue and destroying his jaw upon exit. He was down but conscious drooling blood from what was left of his mangled mouth as he scrambled to cover behind an SUV next to him was deputy, Jeremiah McKay radioing in the officer down. Call trying to direct the medical helicopter away from donors fire. Single bullet hit deputy McKay right above his vest killing him mid sentence. Part of hobby. Another officer down Dorner was trapped. There was no way out. And now these guys were pissed officers toss smoke grenades as an armored vehicle dubbed the bare arrived to help rescue the Cup stranded in the kills zone. Quickly. The cabin was surrounded back in LA commander, Andrew Smith updated. The public this individual barricaded themselves and one of the cabins there and exchange of gunfire occurred during that exchange of gunfire to officers were injured they've been airlifted to local hospital right now, their condition is unknown. If he's watching this message for himself as enough is enough. It's time to turn yourself in. It's time to stop the bloodshed. It's time to to let this event and let this incident be over the large number of officers hunkered down behind trucks and SUV's were ready for this to be over two in spite of the sheriff department having the building surrounded and. Ordering the LAPD swat team to stand by became anyway, blaming miscommunication. Perhaps they needed to see it for themselves or maybe they came there to make sure he died either way. The sheriff's department already had a plan smoke him out. We're going to go with the plan with the burn. Is a technique tear gas canister that tended to catch things on fire, hence, the nickname normal tear gas canisters had already been lobbed into the cabin. But Dorner head yet to surrender. Brought in an armor demolition vehicle, like a mini bulldozer and rip walls of the cabin in preparation to launch the burners daughter feared they were going to storm the cabin and set off another smoke grenade. As if the advantage could save him. Seven point. And we have a fire. Ready Ellen number four. We have fire in the punt. He might come about quickly. The cabin was fully engulfed in flames. But during her never appeared. They won from inside. The residence confirming on fire department was standing by. But they couldn't get close. Once the fire grew MO in the cabin began to explode. It wasn't safe to extinguish so Dorner set somewhere inside the cabin as law enforcement watched. It burn. As the cabin burned media outlets gave the nation. A bird's eye view with helicopters circling as close as they could get news reporter Carter Evans happened to make it through the police closed roads and found himself a little too close to the action. He had a front row seat to the firefight. And a unique perspective to the emotion of those fighting around him officers hustled all around taking cover behind vehicle after vehicle out of breath, but unwilling or to discipline to rest after all Dorner was responsible for the murders of their figurative brothers shortly before the burners were launched Evans overheard. This. It didn't sound like a tactical decision is sounded like an emotional one the night ended and the media signed off as the cabins started to smolder the following day. Sheriff McMahon defended his officers actions. Good afternoon events it occurred yesterday, they big Barry of brought to close an extensive manhunt for suspect Christopher Dorner. We believe suspect Dorner began firing ambushed or deputy sheriff's that were responding. Two of our deputy. Sheriffs were struck by gunfire. One of which was severely injured. Deputy Alex Collins he's currently at the hospital being treated he went through a couple of different surgeries. I just spoke to his wife. He's in good spirits and should make a full recovery after a number of additional surgeries. Unfortunately, our other deputy detective, Jeremiah MacKay was pronounced deceased at two twenty four pm cannot absolutely positively confirm him the suspect that we were following an also stolen the vehicle matched as description his behavior based on the our deputies interaction with him inside the vacant cabin was consistent with Mr. donors activity prior to and we're not currently involved in a manhunt any longer are coroner's division is working on trying to confirm the identity through forensics. And we should know that. At some point here soon. Earned that cabin down. Mr out. I was at the scene. You'll be reported dare suggest for several author seen getting the gun Val. Let Berta cata down but bird that exploded. Was that the plane home along? I did make that statement on Wednesday at the press conference that we did not intentionally burn that cabin down. I stand by that remark. There is some recordings that I have heard on the news that would suggest that somebody. We have no idea at this point who made those comments we're looking into those, and we'll deal with those appropriately I would suggest to you that those comments were made by somebody away from the tactical team. They were not covered over the radios. Minder standing that they were made by somebody away from the tactical team. The other thing to remember is our deputy sheriffs and the other officers that were present are human beings. They just been involved in probably the one of the most fierce firefights and sometimes because we're humans we say things that may or may not be appropriate. We will look into this. And we will deal with it appropriately. China remains inside the cabin eventually identified to be that of. Through dental and DNA comparison, his cause of death was a single gunshot wound to the head self inflicted. Dorner risked all to clear his name killing innocence and eventually sacrificing his own life yet the review of Dorner firing ended with the same result. His legacy was solidified as a liar and should have been fired as far as the one million dollar reward. Only part of it was rewarded to the Reynolds from mountain vista resort. Daniel McGowan who spotted Dorner burning truck and Lee McDaniel who spotted Dorner at the AM PM many of the donors pulled their money out citing the criteria for the reward was not met Dorner was not captured and tried. He was cornered and died in the end the rentals received seven hundred eight thousand eight hundred dollars McGowan received one hundred and thirty two thousand nine hundred m McDaniel was awarded forty four. Two thousand three hundred but died from bladder cancer a month previous to its distribution. Was Dorner victim. What do you think had even wronged almost definitely in some ways throughout his life? But the actions he chose to respond to these injustices removed a status as victim and cemented him as an aggressor when you start killing people. You're no longer a victim. You're an asshole, and you see an entire class of people based on your own bias and fully deserving violence and hatred vineyard, also bigot. It doesn't matter how you group them together by race religion sex, or in this case profession, all cops are bad. Fuck the police perpetuating hatred and violence toward any group due to the misdeeds of a few is clearly not just not right? No matter how much of a perpetual victim. Someone might think they are even a child knows that. Sticks and stones will break my bones. But words will never hurt me. We could all learn a thing or two from this saying, don't you think?

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STBYM Halftober Monsterfest Playlist, Episode 9: Mindflayers

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STBYM Halftober Monsterfest Playlist, Episode 9: Mindflayers

"Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from how stuff works. Dot Com. Form slightly larger than drift, but obviously humanoid drifted around a nearby stalactites drifts, kicked off a stone to propel himself at it drawing his other Symtas, he went, he knew his peril a moment later for his enemies head, resembled four tentacled octopus drifts, had never actually viewed such a creature before, but he knew what it was an illustrated a mind flair, the most evil and most feared monster in all of the other dark. Hey welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and my name is Christian Sager in today. We're talking about mind flares. That's right as you get from that quote. Mine flares for those of you who aren't aware. We're really diving down the geek well today to get a monster. The we both love and grew up with. But this is a creature that was originally created for Dungeons and dragons right yeah it. It also has a long history that I'm just learning about in the final fantasy games that I imagine other other properties as well that that that were inspired by especially early dungeons and dragons. Yeah, but so we're not just talking about this because we're into geeky stuff, right, not just. That's like fifty percent of the. Where we're using the mind flair as a jumping off point to look at some really interesting science. Both in biology, but also a little bit in technology today. Yeah, I'm the same way that drifts our hero of the opening narration. Use that stalactites spring Lord right so that was a quote from Ra. Salvator as exile, which is part of the Dark Elf trilogy. It's actually book to in the Dark Elf trilogy. You may be familiar with this. If you're not a I'll give you a quick primer. These are dungeons and dragons based novels. Set in the forgotten realms setting based around this character dripstone burden that is a pretty popular with that crowd, and still still part of the property though Yeah Word Games that come out. He's he's mentioned in the materials for the current under dark campaign I'm pretty sure they're still coming out with novels with him in it, too and these. I have a fondness for his novels because they were like my way to wind down my brain after doing too much research, either when I was in graduate school, or sometimes from podcasting so I read I WanNa say there's like twenty twenty five. These books and I've probably read three quarters of them. Mostly I refer to them as sword porn, because there's just like whole sections, pages and pages where it's just describing like the ways, in which he moves his sword I mean just in this one paragraph along like they had to mention like the way he drew his Scimitar. But mine flares are like the primary antagonist in this specific book so I, pulled that quote, and then there's another one later on where I think that this contributed to the lore surrounding them, so you know we'll refer back to it. Yeah, so we're using this creature this. Oh, wondrous creature, as a as an opportunity to discuss some some science, and we're using science as a way to explain some of the more fantastic aspects of this fictional monster. It's kind of relationship. We come back to time and time again. Because as I. Say no matter how fantastic. How crazy the imagined monster is you can, you can almost count on nature to have equal or surpass it in weirdness. Yeah, that's that's exactly what's so wonderful about using this for an episode of the show and I'd like to point out that this is actually connected to two other things that we do on Septum. Ole Mind. The first is obviously Roberts. Monster Science that he's been working on for years. If you go to stuff to blow your mind, dot com, there are i. dare say a hundred maybe muster science posts like you've covered almost every monster in existence. Well I wouldn't go. That far is pretty inexhaustible, but Yeah, the monster, the monster of the week posts can like the monster science. Yeah, version, and then there's the video series monster science as well which you can find there, or you can find. All the videos are on our facebook and Youtube Channel as well. But also you enjoy or doing an episode coordinated with this. That's about mind control. Yeah, it's GonNa be titled. Feels like it should be the episode that follows this. I think this episode right here is coming out on Thursday and the following one the mind control episode comment on Tuesday, but it all come together, so brace yourselves, everybody. We're really getting into it with minds, brains and actual brain eating today. Yeah, because one of the things about the mind players. If you're not familiar, and if you're not familiar at all with the mind, flares, just bear with us. We'll get to. The real science as well, but they are not only these. These octopus headed purple flesh. Evildoers that live in the under Dr this vast subterranean room in the domes and dragons world they are also. Psychic or scientifically gifted creatures that are able to just dominate people left and right with their amazing psychic powers. Throw mine blasts all over the dungeon, just really wreaking havoc, but that is their primary power, and their finishing move is to grab a hold of you with their tentacles mouths and suck your brain. Right out of your head. Yes, like a total kill like instant kill I think if you get. Grappled by a mind flair, or whatever you know, they actually not get too far ahead into their anatomy, but they're generally representatives, having just four digits on their hand right so they have three knuckles and I was thinking the other day. This would be perfect for a Teepee, K Tattoo. Or total party kill. That's your thug mind flair. It I like it, but for those of you remember the game total party kill US win. The creatures in the game were more specifically. The dungeon master kills off the entire Party with A. Generally generally this occurs because the encounters not. Calibrate, yeah, exactly so yes, so we're GONNA. Use these as a jumping off point and you guys are probably saying to yourselves right now. Like whoa like this isn't what I signed up for just bear with us, because the thing about mind flares in particular that is really useful for stuff to blow your mind is they were created for this game? And then it's been a good almost forty years that people have been working on them whether. In these novels that I mentioned earlier or for rule books for for video games, or whatever it's of like star wars creatures. They've had like more and more tagged onto their. Fictional. Biology and culture and laws affi over the years to the point that it's like it's this fleshed out world you know and it's. It's really fascinating. What multiple people brought to the table with it and? Then subsequently translates because they were obviously inspired by. Creatures from Real Life Oh yeah, or philosophy in different cultures. In so many cases, either the the people adding to the the the mythos of say the mind flares, either were directly inspired by natural world organisms, or they're just weird. Creativity managed to to parallel actual natural world. We're debts that like somebody needs to do. A like a history of the mind flair creation book where they talked to all these people because in front of us here in the studio right now is Volos Guide to monsters, and it has a pretty comprehensive like what almost ten page section on mine flares more more I dare say than real. World Encyclopedias have on some of the real world animals. We're going to talk about today's episode. But it's really impressive, and I would love to see how all these pieces came together. Yeah. I just came out by the way of anyone out. There is interested in just can't just published now in terms of we're not gonNA attempt to do what we just engineer. We're not gonNA actually. Go piece by piece through the generation of the mind player, but we will just touch on its origins which go back to Gary. Guy Gags himself. The creator of vendors dragons. Indeed he is the guy. He's the guy who started the whole thing, and you got a nice quote from here specifically about mine flares. Yeah, he said quote. The mind flair I made up out of. Of whole cloth, using my imagination, but inspired by the cover of Brian Lumley novel in Paperback Edition? The borough beneath so I've never seen this before. What's it look like? I looked at it. I, will I looked at the various covers in the one that nothing. Most modern readers are used to is the one that looks like an eye in the center of the Nautilus. and. That one looks more mine flairy. But the original cover, the one that I think guys would have seen just kind of looks like a silhouette of dark tentacles rising out a hill, okay. But still I I take the man and his word. Lumley, of course was lovecraft influenced, and there's definitely a lot of love in weirdness to the mind flare so just just as the fictional race has crossed over from another room and dungeons and dragons. The very inception is sort of a cross pollination from a different dimension of literary fantasy. Probably trace their origins all the way back to love crafts, intense fear of Sealife. So. Just to get this out of the way to because again I, know a number of you may be primarily familiar with these critters from. Final fantasy are their properties. Eluded is definitely a D. property. Right, they've got the T. on right. Yeah, so you can't just throw a lifted around and other games or video games or novels. Without. Big Dungeon getting cut, but mine flares. You'll see elsewhere, yeah? Right, in fact, a we saw. There is a paper that you've found stunning. All about like the various types of sort of pod monster mollusks that show up in video games. Yeah, it's an article that was published. geeks steadies. Yeah, I'll try to include a link to that on the landing page for this episode, just all about and weird squid and octopus monsters from sixteen bit video, and there is this amazing chart of all of the various ones and it down to. to, their little like eight bit rendering renderings, and there's a the mind flare very recognizable in there, so yeah again. These are basically purple people with octopus heads. Their mouths are like lambis. We're going to go through the anatomy pretty carefully because that's how we're. GonNa tied into real world science. That's right all right, so let's dive in. Let's talk about the origins real. Quick, which of course. Course shrouded in mystery, so they're basically two origin stories in play here. Most likely the Mayan flares hail from the far realm, which is an alien dimension of cosmic are the universe, but there's also this whispered rumor that the from the future, and perhaps even the distant highly evolved state of humanoid life in the multi-diverse. Though I'm I'm not sure much. Doc is actually put in that interpretation. Interpretation I want to say that that is. That's the one that's heavily lovecraft influence because there's an I can't believe. I can't remember the name of the monster from one of lovecraft short stories, but that's one of the things from his this monsters from the future, and it's come back in time to sort of write some wrong or something like that and I think this is again not. There's no sources behind this. But it might if my memory's correct from playing the for twenty some odd years. Their origin story differs depending on which setting you're playing Indian. That's it's. It's multi-diverse, and of course they they also instilled in you. Your game is not necessarily taking place in the same right corner. The multi verse as the the campaign across across the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly so one of the really important plot points with the lipids. Is it in ages past? Past. They carved out an enormous empire for themselves. Will the cells one that spanned whole world's and the material plane as well as other various planes they had they had slash. Have spaceships called novel? Lloyd's that enable travel across the plains, but they've lost the technology of their manufacturer like you know decent elder race. They've gotten how to read their relics now, yeah! But they build their empire mostly on the back of sonically dominated slave labor, but after time as you know, happens when you build your empire slave labor, the slaves rose up they rebelled, and their their empire fell to pieces, and so they had to go out, and just sort of find little corners to survive in in particular the end up taking up in the dark. In here they end up having more slave races each one. They mess up by just. Scientifically dominating them, altering them changing them into whatever form suits the mind flares, and just just causing lots of trauma in mischief. Across the world, they reminded me kind of of this ant that we've covered on the show before. I'm going to have trouble remembering its Latin name, the head that you might know court accepts. Oh yes, the the court saps fungi that end up growing in the ants. Yeah, exactly so this. This fun guy gets inside the his aunt brains, and it's it's sort of controls them to take care of its fungal colony and it to take the resources in mine flair. Sociology is somewhat similar in that they they dominate these you know. People of various deities, species dwarves elves, human beings, whatever and. GIF. The GIF off touching the gift here there, the slaves. It's sort of like work and do all the. For the mind flares they even one of the things that the slaves are known to do is they have to scrub down the elder brain engage in massage. Oh and the other brains important to. That's the thing the all these different elements. Touching here, they might sound a bit like fluff, but we're GONNA come back to them and discuss some science around them, but real quick about the gifts. The gifts were the the biggest mistake that they made right. How these were the thrall that really rose up, and not only helped bring about the follow their empire, but regular now the gift regularly venture out from their astral plane headquarters to hunt down in Radha Kate illicit colonies wherever they can find them, and that's one of the key. Key reasons that lipids live, and the you know, the safety and secret of the dark or other secluded places in in each separate colonies cut off from all the others, while while they calculate scheme and forgot how they gonNA. Restore their empire right so they basically like live in these like deep caves. There it's like a it's almost like an colony. It is yeah, yeah, and the it's all based around the the center of this elder brain mentioned earlier which we're gonNA, get into. They, but they yeah. They kind of like occasionally. Go Out, grab some slaves. Pull them back in like that's how society runs. Yeah, it's going to be very helpful as we go forward just to think of them as you social parasites. Yes, they write really like they have two options. They either capture somebody in their brain more capture them in dominate their mind, and make them into a slave rights so either way encounter with the mind flair is going to end up bad bright, so it's launched into their biology again. BIPEDAL humanoid bodies, four tentacles, four clawed digits per hand. Diet consists mostly of SCIATIC energy with some additional substance from the gobble brains themselves. Now, technically speaking their files, their cave, dwelling creatures that complete their life cycles in a cave, but they can also survive above ground helped me out with this truglia files. Is a real terms. Dragons term this would be the the the natural world classification for creature like this right, though of course, classifications are difficult when you're considering even fictional intelligent creatures. You know one that is choosing to live. Underground in a subterranean environment for their own purposes, and now their reproductive system is utterly bizarre and yet. There are real world examples that are almost as bizarre Oh yeah I mean they're real world exam. You Start Looking at complex life cycles look at some of the the parasite life cycles out there and various insect life cycles that are not only just like a a bizarre circle of parasitic behaviour, but also when you see branches in the tree, and this is key to understanding the the mind place when you see various more that can emerge. Yeah, yeah, so all right. Walk us through this all right, so you have an egg. That's where it starts an illicit egg. Mind for an adult mind flair. What came first? The mind flair, the no of. An adult mine flair lazing. Yes, okay, so they lay an egg that egg hatches into an Olympic tadpole right so little squirming. Tadpole a little larval elicit now from that point. There are a few different things that can happen ideally. There, there's a process called US Sarah -morphosis and this is where adult mind players would come and pick up the little tadpole and implant it in the cranium of a captive humanoid, a captive kind of like psychically washed humanoid, and they usually put it through the ear, but there's a drawing in Vila's guide of monsters of like very based on wrath of Khan. Of like the tadpole at crawling its way up the face toward the eye socket of victim. That exact scenario, so one way or another they get that that puppy into the brain, and then each brain replaces the brain, and then that host body becomes the new mine flair body go. It turns purple. Slimy loses the digit on each hand gets pretty skinny. Yeah, and then you've got you've got yourself. An adult ellipted that carries on adult Olympic business. Yeah, and eventually it can go on two legs of its own right now there are two other possible ways that this can go with the illicit tadpole so sometimes the illicit becomes a you'll lethargic. And this is this is essentially a superman flair that is going to eventually leave the colony wisdom undermined flares found a new colony can become. It's elder brain. Okay, so it doesn't have human a humanoid form. It's just like the superpower tadpole light. It's a superpower. Tadpoles still has to be implanted into a humanoid, but destined to be this. This cedar of Neukolln and it will eventually grow into a giant brain right once it establishes itself. And, then the other way that things can go is the Olympic Tadpole can become a neolithic, and this is when they're. Nobody's taking care of the tadpoles, nobody no mind flares are coming around to look after them and make sure they're stuffed into the right skull. In this case, they all freak out and start eating each other in whichever one is left grows into a giant powerful beast intelligence monster. Okay, I have never encountered one of these before. This is good. It's like a level thirteen. Wow, okay, but. It but what's going on with both of these cases and this is where there's a there's a real world parallel that will will break down a a little. Bit Is that essentially have to morse. Springing from Tadpole one is caused by negative environmental constraints, and that leads to the Neolithic or any other positive environmental constraints, which leads to the Lutheran, so I'm assuming this is dependent on like how many humanoids are available for them to eat brains or make slaves into our or whatnot? Yeah, what how big the cave system is that there living? Living within excetera, it has to do with population density in our real world examples. It will get too so you can think of it in those terms like is the is the calling successful enough to send off anything to found a new colony, or is it even successful enough for the tadpoles to continue to thrive, or should they just all each other out of a? Purely economic cannibalism, which is the thing that does happen in multiple species, yeah. Right in real species, but also in this fictional talking about just in a real world. Cannibalism is always the the most economic path to avoid wasting energy that goes into flesh, so we've mentioned this elder rain multiple times, and basically I just said the brain, but let's let's get a little bit more defined here on this yeah I mean essentially just a giant brain in a Brian Pool, that is in charge of the mind flair colony. The in the drifts books. It's in cerebral fluid and I, always wondered. Where did they get all that cerebral fluid from like? Maybe they can eat the brains, and then they like. Keep the drain the cerebral fluid out to put in their little. Brain Pool. Now. They just have Amazon weekly deliveries on sailings. Two day shipping on yeah. Exactly yeah, so according to Volos. What's going on here with the elder brain? So is this to survive and to make the necessary medical. In order to to to actually survive and to eventually reclaim their empire. They've either evolved or developed the elder brains, and these are giant in Mobile Thorpe thought organs that float and tanks brine, serving the mind flares, colonies library of knowledge history of past lives and a nexus of Meta cognition for the individuals in the colony and each individual going to employ Nana lifted thrall as well. This reminds me of in the Marvel Universe. They have a similar thing. The the cree alien species which. I. Haven't seen a lot of the TV show agents of shield, but I think they show up in their their ruled by a thing. That's very similar to this. That's called the supreme intelligence. It's kind of the same thing. It's just like a big BLOB. Giant canister of cerebral fluid, and it's got some brain. Tentacles is a mouth. Don't have is an amount. They're just browns. This big brains and they do all sorts of. Scientifically me powerful tactics against anybody that threatens them, but we'll come back to the elder brains in a bit because there are actual parallels, discuss with humans all right, so that is the the crash course in the fictional elicits now from here on in the episode. We're GONNA largely focus on what the natural world what real life biology can tell us about what's going on with the lipids, and how we can use the examples away to explore these exactly. Yes, the way that I. I approach. This was sort of like. Let's Frankenstein from the real world. A mind flare out of what we know of how they're described right so the their biology anatomy all that stuff like what's in the real world that we can bring to our understanding of this in the first place that I went to was their mouths, because they are described as even they've got these tentacles. They're described as their specific mouths as being like lampre mouths. Lampard's if you're unfamiliar, are Jealous Fish. They've got these thorny Suction Cup like mouths, and they are parasites much like the mind flares, and a lot of creatures were talk about today they used their mouths to attach to an animal's body, and they cut with these teeth through surface tissue, until they reached the blood and bodily fluids of it. They've known to live in both coastal and freshwater. The kind of they look like emails kind of, but they're not. They're fish There's three types of them. There's flesh eaters, blood drinkers, and just a type that lives for three to seven years in a larval stage, and then they only live for six months as adults, but they don't really feed. They just reproduce with other Lampreia's and then they die. So at equally weird example from the real world now there is an excellent article on wired from twenty fourteen called absurd creature of the week. The lamp are- that just really deep into the Lampard's biology so I turn to that for a real deep description of this mouth. What's going on with his mouth now flesh-eater lamp and blood drinker. Lampard's have different types of mouth so. So let's go with the flesh eater for today since we know that the mind flair is definitely using it to eat brains, so they have a structure. That's like a tongue. These are Landry's. It's called a piston. It has this convex structure to it that moves both side to side and up and down basically gouging flesh out of its victim with a strong middle tooth. It and this middle tooth is shaped like a you in the flesh eater, Lampard, and like w in the blood drinker land for different reasons, one's better at like pulling flesh into the mouth. The other is better getting blood flowing Gotcha. And they're very much like a other animals that we've talked about when we've covered vampires on the show before they have glands in their throat, that secretes an anticoagulant, and that helps keep the blood flowing help. Get stuff down their throat. In the flesh eaters, the anticoagulant glands are much smaller, but they still exist so presumably mind flair would have some kind of anticoagulant gland as well. Now, lambis have two rings of structures inside the mouth that helps them adhere to their victims through suction. One ring is the oral fimbry, and it basically looks like little leaves that are made a flaps of tissue, and these adhere closely to the skin of the victim, and they form this tight seal like I. Mean I've never been bitten by a lamp, but I imagine like Fr- from what I've heard. It's next to impossible to get off of you. Part of the country that I lived in for awhile in new. Hampshire was right next to what was called the Lamp River, and so obviously there are love for waterland freeze in there. I I never heard them. But you know my understanding is like you have to basically kill it to get it off and then I think surgically removed. So it's clamped on their tight. There's a second ring in the mouth that is made of conical structures known as Palais and these help the Lampley actually sense where best to attach themselves so the blood drinking Lampreia's. They're so sensitive with this region of their mouth. They can actually use it to find underlying blood vessels victim. So this is like think of it as like radar almost railing, it's a super sensitive organ built into their mouth, so they can find the the best possible place to clamp down in start, chewing and sucking blood, or and or flesh out of you now they don't often go after humans don't be listening to this like. Oh boy, like the you know, that's pretty rare. It has happened obviously, but a fun fact that Joe Actually told me about I was talking to him about this episode before we came in the studio and he said well. Did you know this is classic Joe He's got just like this ample amount of weird knowledge he goes. Did you know Henry the I? died from eating a pie full lambis, and I was like what what are you talking? Lamp Pre yeah up, and he was right apparently. King Henry the I died from food poisoning when he ate what was referred to as a surfeit of lambis in a Pie, his physicians specifically told him not to. He was like this. Is a bad idea. Instead he I think he was like sixty, eight, sixty, nine, he was. Quite elderly, but he was like Nope I'm eating. This pifer lampy is I can't imagine what that tastes like. It just made me immediately nauseous when Joe told me about it, but by all accounts there's there's multiple pieces of evidence that this guy eight elaboree pie. We'll have to hear from people who have a culinary experience with lamb priests. Yeah, they taste great I don't know I can't imagine that a creature solely subsists son, just like hanging onto the body of its victim and draining it of blood has got like a lot of like. Good Fatty flesh on it for eating, but I'm also a vegetarian. Now for the mind flares part. Of course it's it's not so much about blood or meat. It's about getting that brain. Oh, yeah, so, so I guess the idea here would be. If we looked at the library, it would be either use some sort of specialized tongue after attachment to either like. Cut Its way through an eye-socket more natural. Fleshy Gateway to the brain the way I've already just like straight through the skull. Yeah, the way I've always seen it drawn from behind. The the length of Mine flair tentacles wrap around your face from behind the mouth, attached to the back of your skull, and then presumably this piston thing is in their mouth, and bores through your skull, and subsequently they just. Chunk the your brain and suck it up through their mouth. Yeah, leaving you with the head without a brain. On that note. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we will explore more horrifying. Wonders related to the elected body as well as natural world organisms. Okay so. We're back. Robert you had previously mentioned the possibilities of Tadpoles in real life, and in mind, flair life being cannibals. Yes, so let's talk about this all right so once again. According to to Volos Guy to monsters and illicit lays eggs and protected pools in a larval tadpole hatcheries. Right the lead the tadpoles hatch. They turned into adult mind. Players now tadpoles in abandoned pools. These are pools that the mind flares that looked after we're all slain by high-level adventures or or gift coming in from from the outside right, so there's nobody to take care of them, so the what they do is they end up eating each other until all you have left left is just one mutated survivor known as a Neolithic, and this grows into A. A monstrous psychic worm that's a danger to a lipids and anomalous, is alike large powerful animal minded monster with us with some science ability. Okay, so there are some real world examples of this right. Yeah, the real world, the world parallel here would be tiger salamander. Cannibal Morse okay, so the life cycle of the Tiger Salamander features interesting developmental fork an egg can develop into a normal larval tadpole or into this cannibal more. Now under normal circumstances, tiger salamander eggs develop into normal tadpoles, and then into normal adult tiger salamanders, but if the population is too large for the available environment, so they're in a small pool or something, then consistent tactile interactions with other tadpoles caused some of the eggs to develop into tadpoles with larger heads, bigger mouths in more well developed teeth I'm definitely picturing like babies. You Know Morph. Yeah, so yeah, it's basically the scenario is not to personify. Non Human Non Intelligent. Relationships here, but it's almost like there's there's somebody in charge his all right. We got too many. We've got too many. Salamanders in this pool. Let's just make one that really good at Eton all the other all the other salamanders. In so basically they have a built in population control system larva. On Larva cannibalism. Pools overcrowded and the resources are scarce than some tadpoles physically transform in order to better gobble up the others that is absolutely terrifying. Let's backup for a second. Let's imagine apply this to human beings. Imagine there's nursery in the hospital and it's got all the babies in their little beds. And one baby grows a little bit larger. Its head gets bigger. It gets this huge mouth, and it grows well developed teeth, and then it proceeds to crawl around the nursery. Eat some of the other babies. Basically what we're talking the basic scenario here. Yeah now. And and and after this is done, the Cannibal more salamander, he keeps its large head bigger mouth, but then goes through its diet normalizes, and it goes to a normal life cycle I'm trying to imagine like the animal documentary. That's narrated bellaigue. Morgan Freeman or Sigourney. Weaver's thing and they're like. And here we have tiger salamander eating all of its fellow tadpole babies. Are? Exactly the kind of thing, attenborough it hit us with attenborough. Love it. That's true. I would have I would have to immediately skip the track for my son. We Watch nature shows. Now, let's turn to the Neolithic. So yeah. The Neolithic you can look at it and say this is essentially Cannibal Morph is one. Tadpole eating all the other tadpoles, and then growing this giant thing so eager to use nature as our guide here we can only assume that the Neolithic Morph once served an evolutionary purpose allowing had poeple to survive in times of chaos or abandonment, absorbing the nutrients of its fellow tadpoles with just pure economic ruthlessness, and just like the Cannibal of tiger. Salamanders, however with the mind flares, you can definitely say that the Neolithic is something of of this tidgy oil. A thing right because there's there's no information. Any of the books I looked at that that let us know that the Neolithic continues though illicit race in any way, shape or form. It's not gonNA develop into as far as I can tell, it's not going to develop into an adult mind flare so. This is perhaps in. Fitting accident for species that has manipulated other species and itself for so long under normal condition, larger tadpoles would would be killed, and they certainly would not be permitted to mature into a neil with it right. Yeah, I would imagine like in the mind flair society. This is always a good thing. Right I. Kinda deviates from your normal routine. It would be like it would be exactly like if humans could do this right. You know never never always space your babies out. Don't let don't put them to close, or you're going to end up with a cannibal morph baby, and then what are we gonNA do about that. Well, so this isn't directly related to the cannibalism thing. I found an interesting article about tadpoles that it just wanted to throw in here as well to try to understand the neo lipids, so according to research that was published in twenty thirteen. Apparently had polls can see if you attach eyeballs to their tails. This is utterly bizarre why what what I'm wondering is like. What the working conditions are like in this laboratory. Basically it was compelling to scientists to study because they wanted to learn how much a tadpole brain could interpret sensory data, so they took the African Claw Frog Zeno pus latest. I believe that's the Latin pronunciation. They took their tadpoles, and they grafted eyeballs onto their torsos entails, and then they removed their original is. So that's the part to me I'm like what mad science is this that they're just like plucking is out of these creatures, and then pasting is onto other parts their body. Yeah, who's the awful underdog monster here? Yeah, exactly this is this is the kind of thing. Mind flares to yeah Then they gave a tadpole vision test in the way that they did this was they illuminated half the area that the tadpoles were in with? With Red Light and half with Blue Lights, and in the red light the tadpoles would get electrocuted. They'd get zapped with electricity so again. More torture rain. We've already yanked your eyeballs out pasted onto your tail now we're going to zap you, but apparently some of these tad polls would go over to the blue light area because they knew that it was safe, so the scientists determined some of them could actually see with their eyeball tales. Because they stayed in these safe blue areas, so that researchers basically argued this is evidence that the brain in general. Is Remarkably plastic in its configuration for different body arrangements especially at tadpole stage when it so. You're at the beginning of the life cycle. It can adapt quickly enough to like somehow rewire so can attach to these eyeballs that are just not supposed to be there right and this is what allows mutations in all kinds of body plants, not just in frogs and tadpoles to still work with the existing anatomy, so the basic idea here is if there's some kind of a mutation in a single organism it can adapt quickly or brain can adapt quickly because like it's designed to be so. Flexible literally. Well that's that's wonderful, because it's not only. Is this a little more information about pad polls and how they work, but again it shows. Supports, the theory that might flares are essentially US yeah, very much, so and and I think right like Hugh. Magin there. Here's your dnd campaign. Right Yoga you have some adventures have to sneak into a mind flair cave, take some of their tadpoles and pull their eyes off and read. The details and perform this experiment in Indian time. So we'll see what kind of odd results that would have. Now, we're talking about brain. Eating monsters here, so so one of the most obvious areas to to to explore here would be what animals eat brains trickier scenario than we often think because they're playing animals at brains, humans eat brain totally yeah, I mean. I this is going to have forever scarred me growing up Jersey faces of death. I'm very familiar with him by reputation yet were lucky. But there was. One of the Lake bootlegged vhs copies that I saw back when I was gonNA. Spend like fourteen or fifteen years old. They. They did the thing where they put the monkey in the middle of the table. The table has the circular entry. You hit the monkey on the head. Open Up. Its skull and people eat the brains. and. This would be the very thing that was Referenced in that awful scene, in the Second Indiana Jones Movie Yeah Yeah Yeah. And if you wonder why I'm a vegetarian, that was probably the beginning of it right there. Yeah, God. What An. I I want to go I can watch that movie sometimes but. There's so much weird xenophobe to yeah. Yeah, it's the. Yeah I feel sorry. If our listeners are out there and you know what I'm talking about, but yeah, so there are a lot of examples. Plenty of animals, birds, humans eat brains right, but to understand the mind flare effect on. The humanoids that they're eating the brains of. I turn to a couple specific creatures that I think will help us out here. Because one of the things about the mindful layer is that you know in in a in a very fantasy way, it eats psychic energy there, no real parallels to that in the in the real world. Otherwise they're definitely eating the brain and nothing else. Oh, the the way to describe this biology would be to say that obligate I guess in Europe. And it's difficult to find anything like that. In biology. Yeah, you a couple. Guys ability to I do yeah. All of them much smaller than the mind flair. A I is a again helped me with my Latin here. I think it's Naegleria Fowleri this is referred to in English as the brain eating, Amoeba, who? In this Amoeba is the primary cause of the infectious disease, amoebic meningitis encephalitis, which is also referred to as just Pam, p. a. m.. The AMOEBA can exist in different kinds of environments, sometimes in soil, sometimes in freshwater, and that's where it becomes trouble for us as human beings, or it can exist in the human central nervous system now these infections are really rare. We're about to tell you don't get super freaked out. It's SUP-. It's incredibly rare, but when they happened ninety five to ninety nine percent of the time, it's fatal like if you get one of these Amoeba in you, you pretty much done for this is this is rolling a one on your? Yeah the CDC estimates that there were a hundred and thirty eight cases of PAM reported in the United States between nineteen, sixty, two and twenty fifteen. Okay, so that gives you an idea of how rare it is of those only three of the patients survived. So how do you get your all probably immediately going up I don't want that. How how do I stay away from that? Well? Usually it's from engaging in recreational water activities like swimming or diving, so you basically have to stay away from water fund if you if you want to totally avoid this thing. The AMOEBA enters the human body through your nose in it attach itself to the epithelial cells that line the inside of the nasal cavity then it migrates to the nerves that are situated in the nasal. Eventually this reaches the central nervous system of your spinal cord and brain. It induces your body's immune system to activate macrophages and neutral fills to combat infection. Doesn't feel good in. Here's why. The AMOEBA itself says very mindful Larry. It has food cups on its surface that allow it to capture its own food resources, and this is everything from bacteria and fungi to issue if it's got up your nose. In addition, it produces sell destructive molecules that destroyed the membrane structure of nerve cells, so the combination of these two things make it really effective at inducing severe nerve damage, it eventually will destroy your entire central nervous system. This makes them a pretty serious public health hazard. Because they can be easily acquired. Swimming along you get one up your nose and boom, and then they're associated with this really high mortality rate now the symptoms don't show up until about two eight days after infection, and they include the following, and this is I think we can use. These is probably an idea of what symptoms would be like of. Be Either being under the thrall of mine flares, or during the process of your brain, being consumed advocate so as they're sucking that brain, just beginning to suck it out so sudden headache that's that's an obvious one right high fever neck, pain, nausea, vomiting, Ryan, itis, light, sensitivity, and eventually sees seizures and coma so all right mine players probably doing this much quicker than the brain eating. AMOEBA is right, but that's a basic idea unless they have different culinary styles, you know. There's some of them. Maybe they like to eat slow, yeah! I was read to Geek out a little bit I was reading that supposedly some mind flares experiment by say, subjecting their their their victims to musical thoughts, or whatever like they'll, though the one a certain mind state before they eat it because it adjusts hey later. Yeah, interesting! Okay, so they go to like they go to a special school. You learn what specific thoughts to beam into the brain before they eat it. Yeah, if you want your your brain meal to be more like a of. Rain to be a Sushi. Tense well. Again I want to remind everybody the brain eating amoeba is pretty rare. It's so rare that no clinical trials for developing treatments even exist as twenty sixteen, usually, if it's found, is treated with something called Info, Terrasson, be which is an Antifungal drug as well as a variety of other antifungal drugs, and I've got some examples for you. In fact, these are the three survivors in the US. One of the now there's been seven survivors in the whole world. Three in the US. One of them was a nine year old girl in California. Who is infected in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy eight, and she caught it by swimming. In Deep Creek hot springs in San Bernardino National Forest. Treated with exactly what I just described. They gave her amphotericin B. Smother Antifungal drugs intravenously and she beat it in lift through the experience. Now two other children were reported survivors of this just in two thousand thirteen three years, and they were twelve and eight years old, and a twelve year old I contracted at a waterpark that was near Little Rock Arkansas, so don't think to yourself like this is only if I swim in like natural water right? Apparently, they got it this waterpark as well. In addition to the Antifungal treatments that they usually give this girl was so bad off that they had to subject her to induced hypothermia to reduce her brain swelling. So this is pretty nasty disease. But, also you know, let's keep it in mind when we're thinking about. Boy. This mind flair. It's got its lampy mouth attached in its piston drilling through my head. What's that GONNA feel like. So this would be an example of a creature that certainly doesn't depend on human brains at all exactly, but this is a, but it also gives us an example of what brain eating in the real world consists of Yep. We have couple other examples here to the next one is neuro cicero service, which is a type of tapeworm that usually lives in pigs is very stuff. Until your mind, you must have covered. Port report yeah. Pork tapeworm produce larva that can latch onto cranium, whether it's pig's cranium or human premium, and they show up as large white cysts. They usually dispersed through pigs bloodstream. So when you're eating undercooked pork, you could be eating their larva. So when they enter a human, usually from eating undercooked pork, they still flow through our bloodstream, and they get stuck inside the fluid filled cavities in our brains. These can lead to a coma loss of motor functions, violent seizures or blindness, and the reason why they're eating holes in your brain now my understanding of this scenario is essentially you have a parasite that is lost in an unfamiliar hoax. Exactly yeah, and it's just doing what it. It thinks it's supposed to do in. It results in this. Yeah, now it's unlikely Amoeba. This is more common than you might think. It's estimated that Two thousand people have them in the US in twenty nine million in Latin America now he's just poor tapeworms going about their regular business, not not necessarily getting lost winding up in the brain, though yeah. I believe that's true. Yeah, which can be right? It can subsequently lead to that. The other one that's related to this similar effect very different being is prion disease. We. We've talked about this occasionally on the show. Prions. There are a variety of fatal neurological illnesses that are associated with them. They are abnormal proteins, and you can both inherit them or have them transmitted into your body through. An animal tissue they result in symptoms of dementia or zero, which is impaired motor control, and they eventually lead to death, and it can take anywhere from weeks to months You might have heard of this as creutzfeldt-jacob disease. There's also new variant. kreuzfeld-jacobsen's Aziz Crew Gershman. Strasser Shankar Syndrome and fatal familial insomnia, so all of these are caused by prion proteins in the Brain Kourou in particular is the one that is associated with. Traditional acts of funeral cannibalism. In in parts of the were all right and Lee exactly what popular Guinea. Apple leads to disease. Yeah, so all of us are probably most familiar with these from the animal form that we referred to as mad cow disease. It's caused by a similar thing with prions. Now we've known about this in sheep and goats for hundreds of years, if referred to a scrappy in. Sheep goats, but we didn't know that it was actually transmittable until the nineteen thirties. So basically what happens here is these diseases are caused by proteins that are misshapen. That's why we refer to them. As prions, they clump together in proliferate by inducing shape changes in our normal proteins, and this causes sponge like lesions in the brain that disrupt brain function, so there's your three examples you get the prions, the pork tapeworm and the brain eating Amoeba. Basically you know very different kinds of creatures thinking, get into your nervous system and wreck havoc, but. Good examples of probably what's going on with mine flair consumption? are going to take a quick break when we come back. We're going to compare the kids to a certain Kung eating parasite. So we talked about this earlier, but the creation of the mind flair in its I guess lore throughout the last forty. Some odd years is so amazing that they've actually come up with a detailed process with its own title called Sarah -morphosis, which is basically the the idea of how it reproduces parasitical right right. Yeah, it's that example we talked about earlier. The little tadpole is shoved up into the cranium, and then it eats host brain, and the Tach is there to the brain stem swells up grows into the new brain for this body and transforms the body. Now here's a here's a nerdy little bit that I remember about. Sometimes. When they do this, they take on like mental ticks from the host that they grow within. In. This is considered like social flaw. It's a it's a real like bedside. Manners in mind player society, so they try to hide it from the rest of their speeches so like. Let's say like all right. We'll use JOE's an example. Let's say Joe has a tic where he picks his fingernails. Okay, and then they insert a flare tad pole into Joe. It eats his brain. It turns JOE INTO A mind. flair regrows as brain, but it may still have that tick where pick said it's fingernails, but it has to hide it constantly from other mind flavors or else they'll. They'll be like. Oh, there's something off with you. You're not mind flairy enough discard. The Human Shell. You're week because you're innocent. You're letting your clothing control. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. So you're probably wondering well, this sounds just monstrous, an awful, other worldly. What possible parallels there well, there's a wonderful one, and in the form of Sumo Thea exiguous. Yeah, this is a step two billion classic. We talked about this one on the strain episode. Yeah, this is the tongue eating I supplied. You might be familiar with these from a movie that came out a couple of years ago. The found footage horror movie called the bay. Only I think the premise I watched it awhile. The premise was something like there was some kind of pollutant in the waters around this coastal town. It caused the the ice pods to mutate. And, so, they started infecting human beings instead of fish. Yeah, now, luckily, luckily, they don't actually affect human right, but there hasn't been a lot of new research published on these creatures it's they're quite rare possibly popping up more these days due to overfishing, but essentially what you have here, this is the scenario as we understand it. This little crustacean sneaks in through the Gills of fish at sets up shop on the host taste buds, and then there's there's only so much room and officials than a fish mouth, so you can imagine what the the Laos is. First meal is has a tasty helping of tongue juice, start sucking on that tongue juice, and once the allows drains the tongue of enough. It attaches itself to the atrophied stump of the tongue, and essentially becomes the the new tongue for the fish every time the host opens his mouth for meal the Laos. Helped itself to a little food on the way down. You can easily. Find a Google image search of what these things look like. There's plenty of pictures of people. Prying fish mouths opening. You can see the little ice upon inside. Yeah, every time. I show my wife that she just goes like she does the voice of the ice of Pablo saying like hello. From Inside this fish Mao fun fact, not these specific Eissa pods, the re grow as tongues, but other ice pods can grow to be over two point five feet long and these aren't the replaces this. These are the kind that scavenged the carcasses of whales which we've talked about before. We show as well. Yeah, so these are really I, mean I? I don't know how to describe ISO pods verbally on the show, but they're real creepy, looking critters in just imagine them crawling along the corpse of a whale, just slowly chewing their way through it yet a dragon, another fictional comparison. They remind me a lot of the Gotham from the dark crystal legal, creature. That's good. Yeah, that's a good example. So with sympathy executor, you have a creature that did mainly sex on tongue. Juice attaches itself to the stump while the alleged tadpole goes far beyond that the illicit tadpoles replacing the central Oregon of the nervous system. It's. It's quite appropriate to think of this. As an act, it just kills the host, but it it really serves as a sort of of parasitism. The body continues to live albeit in different form and many natural world. Parasites inflict behavioral and physical changes on their hosts. It also gives us a rough evolutionary idea where the Olympics came from, or would have come from a natural system, right brain, replacing parasites that eventually transcend into something greater. Yeah, so I mean if you really think about it like they have to, even though like. Mine flares best operate in the dark in hide in attack. They have to come into contact with other humanoid species, because otherwise they're just going to only exist as tadpole fall right they have to. They have to use humans for bodies. They have to use humans for food. It's yeah, because also yeah, you can think of it this way. So the the parasitic form that goes inside the the host is at physically eating the brain from the outs from the inside out right, but then as adults they have to crack open skulls get brains. In a different way, yeah, yeah, exactly. Wonder what happens if a mind flair eats a prion infected brain. That would be that would be an interesting plot point, infected brains, and then maybe they can detect them. No not to them. Maybe that's it. That's like the Wu. It's like it's like an alien three when they. The aliens don't Tax Gorny Weaver, because spoilers. She's got one of them in her. Like the mine. Flares will like kill everybody except for one person, and it's because they can sense that they've got. Related disease or like pork, tapeworm or something? This would be a wonderful plot for anybody out there. WHO's putting together a campaign? Imagine a scenario in which the big threat that the mind flares are facing perhaps the. Methodology that's being employed by their enemies is a prion is being induced to the populations that th the mind flavors depend on food NAD mind flair disease. All right, but we've got some more biological parallels specifically with locusts right. Yes so remember the Oliver Ard that we mentioned earlier. Yeah, this is the superman flare so again. The scenario here is you. HAVE TADPOLES GROWN INTO ADULT MIND FLARES? Everything's going like normal, but then there's an exceptional mind flair adult who starts. Rivaling the elder brain. They they're disagreeing on everything. And finally the elder brain says all right. Go do your own thing. Take your followers get out of here. Start, your own colony, and that's what happens seeds a new colony. And again you can think of this as a morph. A version of the species it's going to go out and and found a new colony, okay. In the best example that I came across to to discuss. This is that of the desert locust, so desert, locust feature both a gregarious and a solitary morph. Gregarious Morph arises as a response to population density. It's more at the flying, so it can. It can get the heck out of that immediate area. Go off and help found a new population of desert locus okay. So, I think that's what we have. We have here with the illiterates. You have a model that closely resembles more that developed due to population density in order to spread out and establish new community, so in this case it's if the there's there's enough of them around that. It means that the. Is Healthy Yeah. The resources are abundant, enough and the colony can actually. Depart splinter and form new populations of the species. Now what's inherent about that? Especially for these mind flares is that they're hermaphrodites, so they don't need mates. Writer create more mind flares. So I was thinking about. This is like all right. Hermaphroditic reproduction is is definitely a real thing led to another example. Try to figure out what how that would work with mine. Players in the one I turned to was see elegance, which is a type of NEMATODE. thread worm. And it lives in the soil, usually sometimes rotting vegetation, and basically feeds on bacteria, and they're very primitive, but we human beings study them a lot, and why because they share essential characteristics with human biology so? They're great for studying the effects of certain things on without doing it to humans or I. Don't know ferrets, which are another sort of I. Guess if you're thinking about it. In terms of evolved life forms higher up the chain that has human characteristics. except. Some of elegance are self fertilising hermaphrodites just like the mind flares are. In the way that they do this, they cleave embryonic so I would assume this is something that happens in the mind flair, it precedes through Morphou, genesis and then they grow into an adult now. We've been told by Volos Guide of monsters. The mind flares lay an egg, but this is. Not Trying to be gross here, but I'm trying to figure this out right. You go through -morphosis changes. Your body turns your head into an octopus. Presumably, it creates some kind of orifice that you can lay an egg through. I would guess so or utilizing an existing orifice in some way shape performed okay. But I'm wondering if maybe what's happening. Is it's? Because it's. Creating its own eggs it's it's cleaning embryonic in of itself laying that as an egg and then that EG hatches proceeds Morphou Genesis. And then goes through the the ceremony. Procedure that we've already described right. Now see elegance also has only male counterparts, so there's some aphrodite and there's sales, but there aren't. Females Kinda fascinating most of their volume when you look at their anatomy. Is Taken up by their reproductive system, so you'd have to imagine maybe mind flairs would be the same way like other than the big head everything from the neck down as reproductive system. Yeah, I mean they probably don't need much in the way, the traditional digestive system because they're only getting a limited amount of sustenance out of that brain, yeah! And then who knows how they defecate, maybe they just they're always coming in slime, so maybe just maybe security wars well the elegance of their nine, hundred fifty nine sells three. Hundred of them are neurons. This sounds about right for larval mind flair. especially if it's you know primarily using its thoughts, it's brain. It's thinking capacity. See elegance also have neural structures. These are just in nematodes. That includes sense organs for taste, smell temperature an touch. They don't have is, but they do respond to light. Hopefully, nobody search someone is onto these guys anytime soon, but they responsive to light as well. And they moved by flexing and relaxing their will ventral waves along their body to propel themselves along, and this was how I was imagining. The mind flair larvae must have to have some kind of locomotion right whether it's moving through cerebral fluid that it's swimming around in, or it's crawling up into somebody's skull, so it probably does a similar thing right by flexing and relaxing until it burrows up in there and eats the brain, so I think see elegance as a nematode is a pretty good start. Lots of hermaphroditic creatures out there that we could look to, but the seems plausible for how. The mind flair. I guess the reproductive part inside the actual adult mind flares bodies working. Yeah, yeah, I think that's an interesting spin on it and certainly fleshes out something that at least in the guys. I've looked at it. They don't really put a lot of detail into right. Yeah, that's probably a little too much for your average Jean. De Reader that's Volos, an additional guy, the midnight gallos erotic guide the monsters. Okay, so we've talked a lot about this on the side, but let's really get into it. The elder brain so key magin like if we just had rather. Rather than like a boss at work instead where your bosses offices. There's just a big. Baby Pool that's filled with cerebral fluid and giant brain, and that's what tells you what your duties are for the day I'm picturing it right now. I could probably get behind it after after a while yeah yeah. You could trust in other brain. Yeah, fail brain. Who's WHO's going to question the elder rain, but will you? I certainly wouldn't know but the drift. Stewart did. That's spoiler for that book exiled. Speaking, of which yes, so this is actually a quote from it and I. Give you a little bit of an idea of from the pros what they're like. The inside of the giant stone structure was ringed by balconies and spiraling stairways, each level housing, several of the mind flares, but it was the bottom chamber, unadorned and circular that held the most important being of all the Central Brain, fully twenty feet in diameter, this boneless lump of pulsating flesh tied the mind flair community together in telepathic symbiosis. The central brain was the composite their knowledge, the mental, I guarded their outside chambers in which had heard the warning cries. Cries of the ill-fated from the drought city many miles to the east to the elephants of the community, the central brain was the coordinator of their entire existence and nothing short of their God. Thus only a very few slaves were allowed with this special tower captives with sensitive and delicate fingers that could massage the illicit God thing and soothe it with tender brushes and warm fluids, so it's a little insight into what goes on with the brains. Will you gotta? Keep the the brain well-scrubbed. Yeah, yeah, it's like constantly like at a day. Spa Yes. So. Again, you get back into this idea that either. They developed this overtime, or they evolved to have. The elder brain is part of their their biology essentially. Part of their their their life cycle. I tend to like the idea that they they developed it or they turn to it. After the fall, because the mind, players endlessly plot the restoration of their empire in to do so they have to maintain a perfect balance of secrecy, an exploration ever climbing out the the shortest safest path much like the spacing guild and the deal. Yeah I can see parallel big risks, because yeah, because if they don't pay off, they could lose everything right. So to survive and to make the necessary medic calcuations here. The Lipids have this elder brain. Again giant Immobile Thought Oregon in a tank of brine. It's the Colonies Library of knowledge a history of their past lives when they die their their their own brains returned to the elder brain. It's a nexus of Meta cognition for the individuals in the colony, and likewise kinda serves the throngs as well new at that sounds like to me what Cyborg ISM. Yeah, except for its using organic material sends very much like what we talked about in our episode on Cyborg Ism, yeah I mean I couldn't help, but think about human computing the entire system resembles in many ways, human information, networking systems, and the ever evolving supercomputers that manage it. The, externalisation and inter connectivity of thought, and as we drift ever closer to the technological singularity when computer super intelligence truly eclipses that humanity. It seems like we could be approaching our own age of the elder brain, right? Yeah, I mean well think about it. The cloud the way talks about the cloud. We're just like offloading information the cloud and I don't know I mean I guess we do have like people whose whole job is to maintain the cloud. I don't know that they're necessarily giving it a delicate finger massages, but you know they work inside these data centers that house all this information. Version of the elder we put all of our human knowledge into it. We put all these details about our daily life when we die, information about US lives on. Yeah, yeah, I mean what? What is the Internet? What does the cloud but an elder brain and you know the more I think about it I I think I'd be okay with trusting, I'd I'd be. I feel safer trusting the world to an elder brain or or or in the the human variation here, a super advanced artificial intelligence. Yeah, so you're ready to give up to sky net at this point you're like. Maybe it will do a better job than we have lit the sky at net situation because the mind flares are saying look. If we screw this up, we're done. We're doomed were dying right so let's let's let's have this elder brain going GonNa. Take care of all those. Choices for us and this way we can survive, and maybe even rise again. Yeah, and so I'm trying to think to like parallels of this. If you like so in the stories of mine flares, basically, they'll protect the elder brand all costs. It's you know as you mentioned earlier? I think it's a pretty high level monster to fight an elder brain or something. Pretty powerful just like psychically wipe you out if you try to hurt them, but but like imagine if you just destroyed the Internet. You just took out the cloud. Now I know that. The you know pretty much as much fantasy as mine flares at this point. But like the a world right now without all of that data backed up that we've got would be an utter chaos and so, what are we gonNA do for now we're. GonNa protect it all costs right. Yeah, that's like information is our primary resource right now? kind of crazy. Yeah, be sound like a modern human. You also sound like a mind flair, and saying that brings us back again to this area. This idea that the mind flares are essentially. US Yeah, they may have tentacles. They may eat more brains than we do on a daily basis, but they're essentially humans with with very similar. Reliance, on information, an informational systems. So think about that the next time you encounter one and no one of your adventure. Yeah, absolutely be a little bit more humane with the mind flares that you may be attacking. Yes, in human has the before you roll your initiative twice. All right so there you have it. Players, so this was an episode, those a little bit of an experiment for us and had fun, but obviously we want to know if you had fun, too. If you liked this kind of thing, and you want more content like this from us in twenty seventeen, let us know okay. Reach out to us. Let us know on social media. We're thinking about doing something similar to. 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STBYM Halftober Monsterfest Playlist, Episode 9: Mindflayers

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STBYM Halftober Monsterfest Playlist, Episode 9: Mindflayers

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A welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert. Lamb and my name is Christian Sager in today. We're talking about mind flares. That's right as you get from that quote. Mine flares for those of you who aren't aware. We're really diving down the geek well today to get a monster that we both love and grew up with. But this is a creature that was originally created for Dungeons and dragons. It also has a long history that I'm just learning about in the final fantasy games that I imagine other other properties as well that that they were inspired by especially early dungeons and dragons. Yeah, but so we're not just talking about this because we're into geeky stuff right now. Not just that's like fifty percent of the. Where we're using the mind flair as a jumping off point to look at some really interesting science. Both in biology, but also a little bit in technology today. Yeah I'm the same way that drifts our hero of the nation. Use that stalactites as Lord right so that was a quote from Ra Salvator as exile, which is part of the Dark Elf trilogy. It's actually book to in the dark trilogy. You may be familiar with us. If you're not a I'll give you a quick primer. These are dungeons and dragons based novels. Set in the forgotten realms setting based around this character dripstone burden that is a pretty popular with that crowd, and still still part of the property, though yeah. He's he's mentioned in the materials for the current under dark campaign I'm pretty sure they're still out with novels with him in it, too and these. I have a fondness for his novels because they were like my way to wind down my brain navigator doing too much research, either when I was in graduate school, or sometimes from podcasting, so I read I want to say there's like twenty twenty five these books, and I've probably read three quarters of them. Mostly. I refer to them as sword porn, because there's just like whole sections, pages and pages where it's just describing like the ways in which he moves his source, I mean just in this one paragraph alone like they had to mention like the way he drew Scimitar everything but mine flares are like the primary antagonist in this specific book, so I pulled that quote, and then there's another one later. Later on where I think that this contributed to the lore surrounding them, so you know we'll refer back to it. Yeah, so we're using this this creature this. Oh, wondrous creature, as a as an opportunity to discuss some some science, and we're using science as a way to explain some of the more fantastic aspects of this fictional monster. It's of relationship. We come back to time and time again. Because as I say no matter how fantastic how crazy the imagined monster is, you can, you can almost count on nature to have equal or surpass it in weirdness. Yeah, that's that's exactly what's so wonderful about using this for an episode of the show and I'd like to point out that this is actually connected to two other things that we do on -ceptable only mind. The first is obviously Roberts Monster Science that he's been working on for years. If you go to stuff to blow your mind, dot com, there are I dare say a hundred, maybe muster science posts like you've covered almost every monster in existence. Well well I wouldn't go that far pretty inexhaustible, but yeah, the monster, the monster of the week poster can like the monster. Science yeah version, and then there's the video series monster science as well which you can find there, or you can find. All the videos are on our facebook and Youtube Channel as well. But also you enjoy or doing an episode coordinated with this. That's about mind control. Yeah, it's going to be titled. What mind control feels like it should be the episode that follows this I. Think this episode right here is coming out on Thursday in the following one the mind control of his comment on Tuesday, but it all come together, so brace yourselves, everybody. We're really getting into it with minds, brains in actual brain eating today. Yeah, because one of the things about the mind flares. If you're not familiar and if you're not familiar at all with the mind flares, just bear with us. We'll get to the. Real science as well, but they are not only these. These octopus headed purple flesh. Evildoers that live in the under Dr Vast subterranean room in the domes and dragons world also. Psychic or scientifically gifted creatures that are able to just dominate people left and right with their amazing psychic powers. Throwing mine blasts all over the dungeon, just really wreaking havoc, but that is their primary the power, and their finishing move is to grab a hold of you with their tentacles, mouths and suck your brain. Right out of your head like a total kill like instant kill. I think if you get. Grappled by a mind flair. whatever you know, they actually not to get too far ahead into their anatomy, but they're generally representatives, having just four digits on their hand right, so they have three knuckles, and I was thinking the other day. This would be perfect for a teepee K TATTOO Or total party kill. That's your thug mine flair. I like it I, like it, but for those of you. The Game Total Party kills win. The creatures in the game were more specifically. The dungeon master kills off the entire Party with A. Generally generally this occurs because the encounter is not medically calibrate. Yeah, exactly so yeah, so we're GONNA, use these as a jumping off point and you guys are probably saying the yourselves right now. Like whoa like this isn't what I signed up for just bear with us, because the thing about mind flares in particular that is really useful for stuff to blow your mind is they were created for this game? And then it's been a good almost forty years that people have been working on them whether. In these novels that I mentioned earlier or for rule books for video games, or whatever it's kind of like star wars creatures. They've had like more and more tagged onto their. Fictional biology and culture and philosophy over the years to the point that it's like it's this fleshed out world you know and it's. It's really fascinating. What multiple people brought to the table with it and? Then subsequently translates because they were obviously inspired by. Creatures from Real Life Oh, yeah, or philosophy in different cultures. Indeed I mean in so many cases. Either the the people adding to the the the mythos of say the mind flares they, either were directly inspired by natural world organisms, or they're just weird. Creativity manage to to parallel actual natural world. We're. Like somebody needs to do a like a history of the mind flair creation book where they talked to all these people because in front of us here in the studio right now is Volos Guide to monsters, and it has a pretty comprehensive like what almost ten page section on mine flares. More more I dare say than real world. Encyclopedias have on some of the real world animals. We're going to talk about today's episode. But it's really impressive, and I would love to see how all these pieces came together. Yeah, I just came out by the way of anyone out. There is interested. Just can't just published now in terms of we're not gonNA attempt to do what we just mentioned. We're not gonNA actually. Go piece by piece through the generation of the mind F- layer, but we will just touch on its origins which go back to Gary Guy Gags himself the creator of vendors and dragons. Indeed he is the guy. He's the guy who started the whole thing, and you got a nice quote from here specifically about mine flares. Yeah, he said quote the mind flair. I made up out of whole cloth, using my imagination, but inspired by the cover of Brian Lumley novel in Paperback Edition the Burrows Beneath, so I've never seen this before. What's it look like I looked at it I will. I looked at the various covers. Most modern readers are used to is the one that looks like an eye in the center of the Nautilus. And that one looks more mine flairy. But the original cover the one that I think guy guys would have seen just kind of looks like a silhouette of dark tentacles rising out of a hill, okay. That's still I. I take the man and his word. Lumley of course was lovecraft influenced, and there's definitely a lot of love. In weirdness to the mind flare so just as the fictional race has crossed over from another room and dungeons and dragons, the very inception sort of a cross pollination from a different dimension of literary fantasy. Could probably trace their origins all the way back to love crafts, intense fear of Sealife. So. Just to get this out of the way to because again I know a number of you may be primarily familiar with these critters from. A final fantasy are their properties. Eluded is definitely adhd property. Right, they've got the TM on right. Yeah, so you can't just throw a lifted around and other games or video games or novels. Without! Big Dungeon getting a cut, but mine flares. You'll see elsewhere, yeah? Right, in fact, a we saw. There is a paper that you've found stunning. All about like the various types of sort of pod monster mollusks that show up in video game. It's an article that was published in geeks steadies. Yeah I'll try to include a link to that on the landing page for this episode. Just all about and weird squid and octopus monsters from sixteen bit video, and there is this amazing chart of all of the various ones and it down. Down to their little like eight bit rendering renderings, and there's a the mind flare very recognizable in there, so yeah again. These are basically purple people with octopus heads. Their mouths are like lambis. We're going to go through the anatomy pretty carefully because that's how we're GONNA tied into real world science. That's right all right, so let's dive in. Let's talk about their origins real. Quick which. Which of course shrouded in mystery, so they're basically two origin stories in play here. Most likely the mind flares hail from the far realm, which is an alien dimension of cosmic car, the DNC universe, but there's also this whispered rumor that from the future, and perhaps even the distant highly evolved state of humanoid life in the multi-diverse, though I'm I'm not sure much doctors actually put in. In that interpretation. I want to say that is that's the one that's heavily lovecraft influence because there's a can't believe I can't remember the name of the monster from one of lovecraft short stories, but that's one of the things from his monsters from the future, and it's come back in time to sort of write some wrong or something like that, and I think this is again not. There's no sources behind this. But my if my memory's correct from playing the indeed for twenty some odd years. Their origin story differs depending on which setting you're playing. The Indian that tried it's it's multi-diverse, and of course they they also instill in you. Your game is not necessarily taking place in the same right corner. The multi verse as the the campaign across across the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly so one of the really important plot points with the lipids is it in ages past they carved out an enormous empire for themselves, will the cells one that spanned whole world's and the material plane as well as other various planes they had slash. Have spaceships called Nada Lloyd's that enable? Travel across the plains, but they've lost the technology of their manufacturer like you know decent elder race. They've gotten how to read. Relics now. But they build their empire mostly on the back of sonically dominated slave labor, but after time as you know, happens when you build your empire slave labor, the slaves rose up they rebelled, and their their empire fell to pieces, and so they had to go out, and just sort of find little corners to survive, and in particular, the ended up taking up in the dark. And here they end up having more slave races each one they mess up by just scientifically dominating them, yeah, altering them changing them into whatever form suits the mind flares, and just just causing lots of trauma in mischief. Across the world they reminded me kind of of this ant that we've covered on the show before I'm going to have trouble remembering its Latin name, my head that you might know cortisol. Oh? Yes, the the court accepts! Fungi that end up growing the ants, yeah, exactly so these fungi gets inside these aunt brains, and it's it's sort of controls them to take care of its fungal colony, and it to take the resources in mine flair. Sociology is somewhat similar in that they they dominate these you know. People of various deities species dwarves elves, human beings whatever GIF! The gift off touching the gift here there, the slaves, it's sort of like work, and do all the the Labor for the mind flares they even one of the things that the slaves are known to do is they have to scrub down the elder brain in massage? The other brains important to that's the thing all these different elements. Touching here, they might sound a bit like fluff, but we're GONNA come back to them and discuss some science around them, but real quick about the gifts. The gifts were the the the biggest mistake that they made right. These were the thrall that really rose up, and not only helped bring about the follow their empire, but reggae now the gift regularly venture out from their astral plane headquarters to hunt down in Radha, kate illicit colonies. Colonies wherever they can find them, and that's one of the key reasons that lipids live, and the you know, the safety and secret of the dark or other secluded places in in each separate colonies cut off from all the others, while they calculate scheme and forget how they gonNA restore their empire right so they basically like live in these like deep caves. There it's like a it's almost like an colony. It is yeah yeah. And the it's all based around the the center of this elder brain mentioned earlier which we're GONNA get into. They, they yeah, they kind of like occasionally. Go Out, grab some slaves. Pull them back in and like that's how society runs. Yeah, it's going to be very helpful as we go forward just to think of them as you social parasites. Yes, they write really like they have two options. They either capture somebody in their brain, or capture them in dominate their mind, and make them into a slave rights, so either way encounter with the mind flair is going to end up bad right, so it's launched into their biology again. BIPEDAL humanoid bodies, four tentacles, four clawed digits per hand. Diet consists mostly of Sayaka energy with some additional substance from the gobble brains themselves. Now, technically speaking their files, their cave, dwelling creatures that complete their life cycles in a cave, but they can also survive above ground and helped me out with this troglav files is a real term. Is a real turns. Dragons term. This would be the natural world classification for creature like this right, though of course, classifications are difficult when you're considering even fictional intelligent creatures. You know one that is choosing to live. Underground in a subterranean environment for their own purposes, and now their reproductive system is utterly bizarre and yet. There are real world examples that are almost as bizarre. Oh Yeah I mean they're real world. Example you start looking at complex life cycles look at some of the the parasite life cycles out there and various insect life cycles that are not only just like a a bizarre circle of parasitic behaviour, but also when you see branches in the tree, and this is key to understanding the the mind place when you see various more that can emerge. Yeah, yeah, so all right. Walk us through this all right, so you have an egg. That's where it starts an elicit egg. A mind for an adult mind flair. What came first? The mind flair the no of an adult mine flair lazing. Yes, okay, so they lay an egg that egg hatches into lifted tadpole right so little, squirming tadpole, a little larval illicit now from that point, there are a few different things that can happen. Ideally There there's a process called US Sarah -morphosis and this is where adult mind flairs would come and pick up the little tadpole and implanted in the cranium of a captive humanoid, a captive kind of like psychically washed humanoid, and they usually put it through the ear, but there's a drawing in Vila's guide of monsters of like very based on wrath of Khan of like the tadpole at crawling its way up the face toward the eye socket of victim. Yeah, so that exact scenario so one way or another they get that that puppy into the brain, and then eats brain replaces the brain, and then that host body becomes the new mine flair body go. It turns purple. Slimy loses a digit on each hand gets pretty skinny. Yeah, and then you've got you got yourself. An adult ellipted that carries on adult elicit business, and eventually it can go on two legs. It's right now. There are two other possible ways that this can go with the illicit tadpole so sometimes the illicit becomes a you'll lethargic. And this is this is essentially a superman flair that is going to eventually leave the colony wisdom, other mind flares found a new colony can become. It's elder brain. Okay, so it doesn't have human a humanoid form. It's just like the superpower tad polite. Superpower Tadpoles still has to be implanted into a humanoid, but destined to be this this cedar of Neukolln, and it will eventually grow into a giant brain right once it establishes itself. And then the other way that things can go is the Olympic Tadpole can become a neolithic, and this is when they're. Nobody's taking care of the tadpoles, nobody no mind flares are coming around to look after them and make sure they're stuffed into the right skull. In this case, they all freak out and start eating each other. In whichever one is left, grows a giant powerful beast intelligence monster, okay I have never encountered one of these before. This is good. It's like a level thirteen. Wow, okay, but. It but what's going on with both of these cases, and this is where there's a there's a real world parallel that will will break down a little bit is that you essentially have to Morse springing from the Tadpole? One is caused by negative environmental constraints, and that leads to the Neolithic. Positive environmental constraints which leads to the Lutheran I'm assuming this is dependent on like how many humanoids are available for them to eat brains of or make slaves into our or whatnot? Yeah, what how big the cave system is! That are living within etc. it has to do with population density in our real world examples. It will get too so you can think of it in those terms like is the is the colony successful enough to send off anything to found a new colony, or is it even successful enough for the tadpoles to continue to thrive, or should they just all each other out of a? Purely, economic cannibalism, which is the thing that does happen in multiple species. Right in real species, but also in this fictional Amer, talking about just in our real world. Cannibalism is always the the most economic path. Yeah, to avoid wasting the energy that goes into flesh, so we've mentioned this elder brain multiple times, and basically I just said it's a giant brain, but let's let's get a little bit more defined here on this. Yeah I mean essentially just a giant brain in a Brian Pool that. is in charge of the mind flair. Colonists in the in the drifts books. It's in cerebral fluid and I always wondered. Where did they get all that cerebral fluid from like? Maybe they can eat the brains, and then they like keep the drain the cerebral fluid out to put in their little elder brain pool. Now they just have Amazon weekly deliveries on sailing. Two day shipping on. Got To do it. Exactly. Yeah, so according to Volos. What's going on here with the elder brain? So is this to survive and to make the necessary medical. In order to to to actually survive and to eventually reclaim their empire. They've either evolved or developed the elder brains, and these are giant inflatable Thorpe Thaad organs that float and tanks brine, serving the mind flares, colonies library of knowledge history of past lives and a nexus of Meta cognition for the individuals in the colony and each individual, going to employ non lifted thrall as well. This reminds me of the Marvel Universe. They have a similar thing. The the cree alien species which. I haven't seen a lot of the TV show agents of shield, but I think they show up in their their ruled by a thing. That's very similar to this. That's called the supreme intelligence. It's kind of the same thing. It's just like a big BLOB. Giant canister of cerebral fluid, and it's got some brain tentacles nizing mouth. Yeah, these don't have is an amount. They're just branches big brains. Yeah, and they do all sorts of. Scientifically CNN powerful tactics against anybody that threatens them, but we'll come back to the elder brains in a bit because there are actual parallels, discuss with humans all right, so that is the the crash course in the fictional elicits now from here on in the episode we're GonNa largely focus on what the natural world! What real life biology can tell us about what's going on with the elicits, and how we can use the Olympic examples away to explore these exactly. Yes, the way that I. I approach. This was sort of like. Let's Frankenstein from the real world a mind flare out of what we know of how they're described right so the biology anatomy all that stuff like what's in the real world that we can bring to our understanding of this in the first place that I went to was their mouths, because they are described as even though they've got these tentacles, they're described as their specific mouths as being like Lansbury. Mouths lambis. If you're unfamiliar, are Jealous Fish. They've got these thorny. Suction Cup like mouths, and they are parasites much like the mind flares, and a lot of the creatures talk about today. They used their mouths to attached to an animal's body, and they cut with these teeth through surface tissue, until they reached the blood and bodily fluids of it. They've known to live in both coastal and freshwater. The kind of they look like heels kind of, but they're not. They're fish There's three types of them. There's flesh eaters, blood drinkers, and just a type that lives for three to seven years in a larval stage, and then they only live for six months as adults, but they don't really feed reproduce with other Lampreia's and then they die. So at equally weird example from the real world now there is an excellent article on wired from twenty fourteen called absurd creature of the week, the pre that just really dove deep into the Lampard's biology, so I turned to that for a real deep description of this mouth. What's going on with his mouth? Now? flesh-eater Lampard and blood drinker lampard have different types of mouth, so let's go with the flesh eater for today since we know that the mind flair is definitely using to eat brains so they. They have a structure that's like a tongue. These are landry's in. It's called a piston. It has his convex structure to it that moves both side to side and up and down basically gouging flesh out of its victim with a strong middle tooth, attached to it, and this middle tooth is shaped like a you in the flesh eater lamp, and like w in the blood drinker land freeze for different reasons one one's better at pulling flesh into the mouth. The other is better getting blood flowing Gotcha. and. They're very much like a other animals that we've talked about. When we've covered vampires on the show before they have glands in their throat that secrete and anticoagulant, and that helps keep the blood flowing help. Get stuff down their throat. In the flesh eaters, the anticoagulant glands are much smaller, but they still exist so presumably mind flair would have some kind of anticoagulant gland as well. No lambis have two rings of structures inside the mouth that helps them adhere to their victims through suction. One ring is the oral fimbry, and it basically looks like little leaves that are made a flaps of tissue, and these adhere closely to the skin of the victim, and they form this tight seal like I mean I've never been bitten by a lamp, but I imagine like Fr- from what I've heard. It's impossible to get off of you leading part of the country that I lived in for awhile in New Hampshire was right next to what was called the Lamp River, and so obviously their love for waterland freeze in there. I never encountered them, but my understanding is like you have to move. Kill it to get it off and then I. Think Surgically removed. So it's clamped on their tight. There's a second ring in the mouth that is made of conical structures known as pathway and these help, the lampy actually sense where best to attach themselves so. The blood drinking lamp Lampreia's. They're so sensitive with this region of their mouth. They can actually use it to find underlying blood vessels. So, this is like think of it. As like a radar, almost railing, it's a super sensitive organ built into their mouth, so they can find the best possible place to clamp down, and start chewing and sucking blood, or and or flesh out of you now they don't often go after humans don't be listening to this. Oh boy, like the you know. That's pretty rare. I think it. It has happened obviously, but fun fact that Joe Actually told me about I was talking to him about this before we came to the studio and he said well. Did you know this is classic Joe He's got just like this ample amount of weird knowledge he goes. Did you know Henry the I, died from eating a pie full lambis and I was like what what are you talking? Lamp Reply. Up and he was right apparently King Henry the I died from food poisoning when he ate what was referred to as a surfeit of lambis in a pie. His physician specifically told him not to. He was like this is. This is a bad idea. Instead he I think he was like sixty, eight, sixty nine, he was. Quite elderly, but he was like nope. I'm eating. This pie. Full lamp is. I can't imagine what that tastes like. It just made me immediately nauseous. When Joe told me about it, but by all accounts there's there's multiple pieces of evidence that this guy eight elaboree pie. We'll have to hear from people who have a culinary experience with lamb priests. Yeah, maybe they taste great i. don't know I can't imagine that. A creature solely subsists son, just like hanging onto the body of its victim, and draining it of blood, has got like a lot of like no good fatty flesh on it for eating, but I'm also vegetarian. Now for the mind flares part, of course it's. It's not so much about blood or meat. It's about getting that brain. Oh, yeah, so so I guess the idea here would be. If we look at the library, it would be either use some sort of specialized tongue after attachment to either like. Cut Its way through is socket more natural. Fleshy Gateway to the brain. The Way I've already just like straight through the skull. Yeah, the way I've always seen it drawn from behind like the the glint of. Mine flair tentacles wrap around your face from behind the mouth, attached to the back of your skull, and then presumably this piston thing is in their mouth, and bores through your skull, and subsequently they just. Chunk the your brain up in suck it up through their mouth. Yeah, leaving you with the head without a brain. On that note. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we will explore more horrifying wonders related to the Lipid Body as well as natural world organisms. Okay so we're back. Robert, you had previously mentioned the possibilities of Tadpoles in real life, and in mind, flair life being cannibals. Yes, so let's talk about this all right so once again according to to Volos Guide to monsters and lays eggs in protected pools in a larval tadpole hatch race, all right the lead, the Tadpoles Hatch, and then they turned into adult mind. Players now tadpoles. Tadpoles in abandoned pools, these are pools that the mind flares that looked after we're all slaying. Bhai High Level Adventures, or or gift coming in from from the outside right, so there's nobody to take care of them, so what they do is they end up eating each other until all you have left is just one mutated survivor known as a Neolithic. Grows into a monstrous psychic worm. That's a danger to Olympic. With is alike large. Powerful animal minded monster with us with some scientic ability. Okay, so there are some real world examples of this right. Yeah, the real world world parallel here would be Tiger Salamander Cannibal Morse okay, so the life cycle of the Tiger Salamander features interesting developmental fork, an effort can develop into a normal larval tadpole or into this cannibal more. Now under normal circumstances, tiger salamander eggs develop into normal tadpoles, and then into normal adult tiger salamanders, but if the population is too large for the available environment, so they're in a small pool or something, then consistent tactile interactions with other tadpoles caused some of the eggs to develop into tadpoles with larger heads, bigger mouths in more well developed teeth. I'm definitely picturing like babies morph. Yeah, so yeah, it's basically the scenario is not to personify. The Non Human Non Intelligent Relationships here, but it's almost like there's. There's somebody in charge his all right. We got too many. We've got too many. Salamanders in this pool. Let's just make one that really good at Eton all the other all the other salamanders. In so basically they have a built in population control system larva on larva cannibalism. Pools overcrowded and the resources are scarce than some tadpoles physically transform in order to better gobble up the others that is absolutely terrifying. Let's backup for a second. Let's imagine apply this to human beings imagine there's a nursery in the hospital and it's got all the babies in their little beds. And one baby grows a little bit larger. Gets bigger. It's this huge mouth, and it grows well developed teeth, and then it proceeds to crawl around the nursery. Eat some of the other babies. Basically what we're talking about the basic scenario here. Yeah, now. And and after this is done the cannibal more salamander, he keeps its large. Eh, bigger mouth, but then goes through its diet normalizes, and it goes to a normal life cycle. I'm trying to imagine like the animal documentary narrated by like Morgan. Freeman or Sigourney Weaver's thing and they're like. And here we have tiger salamander eating all of its fellow tadpole babies. Are. Exactly the kind of thing attenborough it hit us with attenborough of it. That's true I would have to. I would have to immediately. Skip the track for my son as we watch nature shows. Now. Let's turn to the Neolithic. So yeah, the Neolithic you can look at it and say this is essentially. Cannibal Morph one. Tadpole eating all the other tadpoles, and then growing this giant thing so eager to use nature as our guide here we can only assume that the Neolithic Morph once served in evolutionary purpose allowing had poeple to survive in times of chaos or abandoned absorbing the nutrients of fellow tadpoles with just pure economic ruthlessness, just like the Cannibal of Tiger Salamanders however with the mind flares. You can definitely say that the neal is something of of this. TIDGY oil. Thing! Because there's there's no information. Any of the books I looked at that that little. Let us know that the Neolithic continues though illicit race in any way, shape or form. It's not gonNA develop into as far as I can tell, it's not gonNA develop into an adult mind. Flare So. This is perhaps a fitting accident for species that has manipulated other species and itself for so long under normal condition, larger tadpoles would would be killed, and they certainly would not be permitted to mature into Neil with it right. Yeah, I would imagine like in the mind flair society. This is always a good thing right? Yeah! I kinda deviates from your normal routine. It would be like it would be exactly like if humans could do this right neither do you would know never never always space your babies out. Don't let don't put them to close, or you're GONNA end up with a cannibal morph baby, and then what are we gonNA do about that. Well. This directly related to the cannibalism thing I found an interesting article about tadpoles that just wanted to throw in here as well to try to understand the neo lipids, so according to research that was published in twenty thirteen. Apparently had polls can see if you attach eyeballs to their tails. This is utterly bizarre why what what I'm wondering is like. What the working conditions are like in this laboratory. The basically it was compelling to scientists to study because they want to learn how much a tadpole brain could interpret sensory data, so they took the African claw frog. Zeno pus latest I believe that's the Latin pronunciation. They took their tadpoles, and they grafted eyeballs onto their torsos entails, and then they removed their original is. So, that's the part to me. I'm like what mad science is this that they're just like plucking is out of these creatures, and then pasting is onto other parts their body. Yeah, who's the awful underdog monster here? Yeah, exactly this is this is the kind of thing. Mind flares to yeah Then they gave a tadpole vision test in the way that they did this was they illuminated half the area that the tadpoles were in with? With Red, light and half with Blue Lights, and in the red light, the tadpoles would get electrocuted. They'd get zapped with electricity so again. More torture right. We've already yanked your eyeballs out pasted onto your tail. Now we're going to zap you, but apparently some of these tadpoles would go over to the blue light area because they knew that it was safe, so the scientists determined some of them could actually see with their eyeball tales. Because they stayed in these safe blue areas, so that researchers basically argued this is evidence that the brain in general. Is Remarkably plastic in its configuration for different body arrangements especially at tadpole stage when it so. You're at the beginning of the life cycle. It can adapt quickly enough to like somehow rewire so can attach to these eyeballs that are just not supposed to be there, right? And this is what allows mutations in all kinds of body plans not just in frogs and tadpoles to still work with the existing anatomy, so the basic idea here is if there's some kind of a mutation in a single organism it can adapt quickly. Urge Brain can adapt quickly because like it's designed to be so. Flexible literally. Well, that's wonderful, because it's not only. Is this a little more information about pad polls and how they work, but again it shows it supports the theory that might flares are essentially us yeah, very much, so and and I think like Hugh Magin there. Here's your dean. D. Campaign Right Yoga. You have to hear some adventures. You have to sneak into a mind flair cave, take some of their tadpoles, and pull their is off and read the details and perform this experiment in Indian, De Time. So we'll see what kind of odd results that would have. Now. We're talking about brain. Eating Monster here, so so one of the most obvious areas to to to explore here would be what animals eat brains, and it's a tricky scenario than we often think because they're playing animal city brains. Eat brains totally yeah, I mean. I this is going to have forever scarred. ME GROWING UP Jersey faces of death. I'm very familiar with him by reputation they were. You're lucky. But there was. One of the Lake bootlegged vhs copies that I saw back when I was gonNA spend like fourteen or fifteen years old. They? They did the thing where they put the monkey in the middle of the table, the. Table has like the circular entry in hit the monkey on the head open up at skull, and people eat the brains gacy. This would be the very thing that was Referenced in that Awful Scene in the Second Indiana Jones movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly and if you wonder why I'm vegetarian, that was probably the beginning of it right there. God. What an! I I want to go. I can watch the movie sometimes but dump. There's so much weird Zena. foveon fifteen. Yeah, yeah, it's the. Yeah I feel sorry. If our listeners are out there and you know what I'm talking about, but yeah, so there are a lot of examples. Plenty of animals, birds, humans eat brains right, but to understand the mind flare effect on the humanoids that they're eating the brains of. I turn to a couple specific creatures that I think will help us out here. Because one of the things about the mind flair is that you know in in a in a very fantasy way, it eats psychic energy and there no real parallels to that in the in the real world. Otherwise. They're definitely eating the brain and nothing else. Oh, the the the way to describe this in biology would be to say that they're obligate. I guess in Europe. And it's difficult to find anything like that. In biology yeah, you. GAZA, ability to. Do Yeah. All of them much smaller than the mind flair. I is a again helped me with my Latin here I think it's Naegleria Fowleri. This is referred to in English as the brain. EATING AMOEBA who? In this Amoeba is the primary cause of the infectious disease, amoebic meningitis encephalitis, which is also referred to as just Pam p. a. m.. The AMOEBA can exist in different kinds of environments, sometimes in soil, sometimes in freshwater, and that's where it becomes trouble for us as human beings, or it can exist in the human central nervous system now these infections are really rare. We're about to tell you don't get super freak out. It's SUP-. It's incredibly rare, but when they happened ninety five to ninety nine percent of the time, it's fatal like if you get one of these Amoeba in you, you pretty much done for this is this is rolling a one on your? Yeah, the CDC actually estimates that there were a hundred and thirty eight cases of PAM reported in the United States between nineteen, sixty, two and twenty fifteen. Okay, so that gives you an idea of how rare it is of those only three of the patients survived. So how do you get your all probably immediately going up I don't want that. How how do I stay away from that? Well? Usually it's from engaging in recreational water activities like swimming or diving, so you basically have to stay away from water fund. If if you if you want to totally avoid this thing, the AMOEBA enters the human body through your nose in an attach itself to the epithelial cells that line the inside of the nasal cavity, then it migrates to the nerves that are situated in the nasal area. Eventually, this reaches the central nervous system of your spinal cord and brain. It induces your body's immune system to activate macrophages and neutrophils to combat infection. Doesn't feel good in. Here's why. The AMOEBA. Itself says very mindful Larry it has food cups on its surface that allow to capture its own food resources, and this is everything from bacteria and fungi to issue if it's got up your nose. In addition, it produces sell destructive cules that destroyed the membrane structure of nerve cells, so the combination of these two two things make it really effective at inducing severe nerve damage, it eventually will destroy your entire central nervous system. This makes them a pretty serious public health hazard. Because, they can be easily acquired. Swimming along you get one up your nose and boom, and then they're associated with this really high mortality rate now the symptoms don't show up until about two eight days after infection, and they include the following, and this is I think we can use. These is probably an idea of what symptoms would be like of be either being under the thrall of mine flares, or during the process of your brain, being consumed advocate so as they're sucking that brain, just beginning to suck it out, I guess so sudden headache. That's that's an obvious one right high fever neck, pain, nausea, vomiting, rhinitis, light, sensitivity and eventually sees. And Coma so mine players probably doing this much quicker than the brain. Eating Amoeba is right, but that's the basic idea unless they have different culinary styles, you know. There's some of them. Maybe they like to eat slow. Yeah! I was read to geek out a little bit. I was reading that supposedly some mind flares experiment by say, subjecting their their their victims to musical thoughts, or whatever like they'll, though the one a certain mind state before they needed because it just hey later. Yeah, interesting! Okay, so they go to like they go to a special school yet like learn what specific thoughts to beam into the brain before they eat it. Yeah, do you want your your brain meal to the Amora like? To be a Sushi. depends. Well. Again I WANNA remind everybody the brain eating amoeba is pretty rare. It's so rare that no clinical trials for developing treatments even exist as twenty sixteen, usually, if it's found, is treated with something called Info, terrasson be which is an Antifungal drug as well as a variety of other antifungal drugs, and I've got some examples for you. In fact, these are the three survivors in the US. One of the now there's been seven survivors in the whole world three in the US one of them was a nine year old girl in California, who is infected in nineteen, seventy eight and she caught it by swimming in Deep Creek. Hot Springs in San Bernardino National Forest. She was treated with exactly what I just described. They gave her amphotericin B. Smother Antifungal drugs intravenously, and she beat it in lift through the experience. Now, two other children were reported survivors of this just in two thousand thirteen three years ago, and they were twelve and eight years old, and a twelve year old, I contracted at a waterpark that was near Little Rock Arkansas. So don't think to yourself like this. Only if I swim in like natural water, right is apparently. They got it this waterpark as well. In addition to the Antifungal treatments that they usually give this girl was so bad off that they had to subject her to induced hypothermia to reduce her brain swelling. So this is pretty nasty disease. But also you know, let's keep it in mind when we're thinking about. Boy this mind flair. It's got its lampy mouth attached in its piston drilling through my head. What's that GONNA feel like? So this would be an example of a creature that certainly doesn't depend on human brains at all exactly, but this is a, but it also gives us an example of what brain eating in the real world consists of Yep. We have couple other examples here to the next one is neuro. CICERO service, which is a type of tapeworm that usually lives in pigs is very surfable. Your mind, you must have covered. Portland Yeah. Pork tapeworm produce larva that can latch onto cranium whether it's a pigs, Kramer human premium, and they show up as large white cysts. They usually dispersed through pigs bloodstream. So when you're eating undercooked pork, you could be eating their larva. So when they enter a human, usually from eating undercooked pork, they still flow through our bloodstream, and they get stuck inside the fluid filled cavities in our brains. These can lead to a coma loss of motor functions, violent seizures or blindness, and the reason why they're eating holes in your brain now my understanding of this scenario is essentially you have a parasite that is lost in an unfamiliar hoax. Hoax exactly yeah, and it's just doing what it thinks it's supposed to do in. It results in this. Yeah, now it's unlikely Amoeba. This is more common than you might think. It's estimated that Two thousand people have them. In the US in twenty, nine million in Latin. America now these just poor tapeworms, going about the regular business, not not necessarily getting lost to winning up in the brain. Yeah I believe that's true. Yeah, which can you write? It can subsequently lead to that. The other one that's related to this similar effect very different being is prion disease. We've talked about this occasionally on the show. Prions there are a variety of fatal neurological illnesses that are associated with them. They are abnormal proteins, and you can both inherit them or have them transmitted into your body through infected animal tissue. They result in symptoms of dementia or Ataxia which is impaired motor control, and they eventually lead to death, and it can take anywhere from weeks to months You might have heard of this as creutzfeldt-jacob disease. There's also new variant kreuzfeld-jacobsen's Z's. Gerston stronger sir, Shankar, syndrome and fatal familial insomnia, so all of these are caused by prion proteins in the brain coup in particular is the one that is associated with. Traditional acts of funeral cannibalism. In in certain parts of the were all right. Lee At exactly what Papua. New Guinea apple leads to disease. Yeah, so all of us are probably most familiar with these from the animal form that we referred to as mad cow disease. It's caused by similar thing with prions. Now we've known about this in sheep and goats for hundreds of years. It's referred to as scrappy in a sheep goats, but we didn't know. Know that it was actually transmittable until the nineteen thirties so basically, what happens here is these diseases are caused by proteins that are misshapen That's why we refer to them. As prions, they clump together in proliferate by inducing shape changes in our normal proteins, and this causes sponge like lesions in the brain that disrupt brain function, so there's your three examples you get the prions, the pork, tapeworm and brain eating amoeba. Basically a very different kinds of creatures thinking, get into your nervous system and wreck havoc, but. Good examples of probably what's going on with mine flair consumption? Are I'm going to take a quick break when we come back. We're going to compare the kids to a certain Kung eating parasite. So we talked about this earlier, but the creation of the mind flair in its I guess lore throughout the last forty. Some odd years is so amazing that they've actually come up with a detailed process with its own title. Called Sarah -morphosis, which is basically the the idea of how it reproduces parasitic right right? Yeah, it's that example we talked about earlier. The little tadpole is shoved up into the cranium, and then it eats the host brain in an attached. To the brain stem swells up grows into the new brain for this body and transforms the body. Now here's a here's a nerdy little bit that I remember about. Sometimes. When they do this. They take on like mental ticks from the host that they grow within. In this is considered like social flaw. It's like it's a real like bedside. Manners in mind player society, so they try to hide it from the rest of their speeches like. Let's say like all right. We'll use JOE's an example. Let's say Joe has a tic where he picks it his fingernails okay, and then they insert a mind flair Tad pole into Joe it eats his brain. It turns JOE INTO A mind. flair regrows as brain, but it may still have that tick where pick said it's fingernails, but it has to hide it constantly from other mind flavors or else they'll. They'll be like. Oh, there's something off with you. You're not mind flairy enough. You didn't discard. The Human Shell. You're week because you're innocent, you're letting your clothing control. Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, so you're probably wondering well. This sounds just monster. It's an awful and other worldly. What's the what possible parallels there? Well? There's a wonderful one and in the form of Sumo Thea exiguous Oh. Yeah, this is a step two billion classic. We talked about this one on the strain episode. Yeah, this is the tongue eating ice applied. You might be familiar with these from a movie that came out a couple of years ago to found footage horror movie called the bay only I. Think the premise. I watched it awhile, but the premise with something like there was some kind of pollutant in the waters around this coastal town. It caused the the ice pods to mutate. And so they started infecting human beings instead of fish. Yeah, now, luckily, luckily, they don't actually affect human right, but there hasn't been a lot of new research published on these creatures it's they're quite rare possibly popping up more these days due to overfishing, but essentially what you have here, this is the scenario as we understand it. This little crustacean sneaks in through the Gills of fish and sets up shop on the host taste buds, and then there's there's only so much room and officials than a fish mouth, so you can imagine what the the Laos is. First meal is tasty, helping of tongue juice, start sucking on that tongue juice, and once the allows drains the tongue of enough blood. It attaches itself to the atrophied stump of the tongue, and essentially becomes the the new tongue for the fish and every time the host opens his mouth for meal the Laos. Helps itself to a little food on the way down. You can easily. Find a Google image search of what these things look like. There's plenty of pictures of people. Prying fish mouths open opening. You can see the little IZAPA. Yeah, everytime. I show my wife. She just goes like she does the voice of the ice of POB saying like hello. From Inside. This Fish Mao fun fact, not these specific Eissa pods the that re grow as tongues, but other Eissa pods can grow to be over two point five feet long, and these aren't. The replaces that these are the kind that scavenged the carcasses of whales which we've talked about before. We show as well. Yeah, so these are really I mean I. Don't know how to describe. Eyeso- pods verbally on the show, but they're real creepy, looking critters, and just imagine them crawling along the corpse of whale, just slowly chewing their way through it yet a dragon, another fictional comparison, they remind me a lot of the Gotham from the dark crystal, big little creature. That's good. Yeah, that's a good example. So with sympathy executor. You have a creature that did mainly you know sex on tongue juice attach itself to the stump while the ellipted tadpole goes far beyond that the illicit. Tadpole Tadpoles replacing the central organ of the nervous system. It's it's quite appropriate to think of this. As an actor just kills the host, but it really serves as a sort of of parasitism body continues to live albeit in a different form and many natural world, parasites inflict behavioral and physical changes on their hosts. It also gives us a rough evolutionary idea where the elicits came from or would have come from a natural system, right brain, replacing parasites that eventually transcend into something greater. So if you really think about it like they have to, even though like. Mine flares best operate on the dark in hide in attack. They have to come into contact with other humanoid species, because otherwise they're just going to only exist as tadpole right they have to. They have to use humans for bodies. They have to use humans for food. It's yeah, because also yeah, you can think of it this way. So the the parasitic form that goes inside the the host is at physically eating the brain from the outside from the inside out right, but then as adults they have to crack open skulls and get brains. In a different way, yeah, yeah, exactly. Wonder. What happens if a mind? flair eats a prion infected brain? That would be. That would be an interesting plot point, infected brains, and then maybe they can detect them no not to have them. Maybe that's it. That's like the Wu. Oh, it's like it's like an alien three when they. The aliens don't attacks Gorny Weaver because spoilers. She's got one of them in her. Like the mine flares will like kill everybody except for one person, and it's because they can sense that they've got you know either prion, related disease, or like pork, tapeworm or something. This'll be a wonderful plot for anybody out there. WHO's putting together a campaign? Imagine a scenario in which the big threat that the mind flares are facing perhaps the. The methodology that's being employed by their enemies is a prion is being induced to the populations that th the mind flavors depend on food, mad mind flair disease. All right, but we've got some more biological parallels specifically with locusts right. Yes, so remember the Oliver hard that we mentioned earlier. Yeah, this is the superman flare so again. The scenario here is you. Have Tadpoles grow into adult mind flares? Everything's going like normal, but then there's an exceptional mind flair adult who starts. Rivaling the elder brain. They. They're disagreeing on everything. And finally the brain says all right. Go do your own thing. Take your followers get out of here. Start Your own colony and that's what happens seeds a new colony. And again you can think of this as a morph. A version of the species that's going to go out and and found a new colony, okay? In the best example that I came across to to discuss, this is that of the desert locust, so desert, locust feature both a gregarious and a solitary morph. Gregarious Morph arises a response to population density. It's more at the flying, so it can. It can get the heck out of that immediate area. Go off and help found a new population of desert locusts, okay. So I think that's what we have. We have here with the Olympics. You have a model that closely resembles more that developed due to population density in order to spread out and establish new community, so in this case it's if the there's an there's enough of them around that. It means that the population is healthy, yeah, the resources are abundant, enough and the colony can actually. Depart splinter and form new populations of the species. Now. What's inherent about that? Especially for these mind flares is that they're hermaphrodites, so they don't need mates. Ride create more mind flares so I was thinking about. This is like all right. Hermaphroditic reproduction is is definitely a real thing, but let's to another example try to figure out what how that would work with mine flares and the one I turned to was see elegance, which is a type of NEMATODE. WERMER THREAD WORM And it lives in the soil, usually sometimes rotting vegetation and basically feeds on bacteria. They're they're very primitive, but we human beings study them a lot, and why because they share essential characteristics with human biology, so you know they're great for studying the effects of certain things on without doing it to humans or I don't know ferrets which are another sort of I. Guess if you're thinking about it, in terms of evolve, life forms higher up the chain that has human characteristics. Except! Some of see elegance are self fertilising hermaphrodites just like the mind flares are. In the way that they do this is they cleave embryonic. So I would assume this is something that happens in the mind flair. It proceeds through Morphou Genesis and then they grow into an adult. Now we've been told by Volos Guide of monsters. The mind flares lay an egg, but this is. Not trying to be grocer, but I'm trying to figure this out right. You go through their -morphosis changes. Your body turns your head into an octopus. Presumably. It creates some kind of orifice that you can lay an egg through her. I would guess so or utilizing an existing orifice in some way shape performed okay. But. I'm wondering if maybe what's happening. Is it's? Because it's. Creating its own eggs. It's it's cleaning embryonic. Itself laying that as an egg, and then that eggs hatches proceeds Morphou Genesis. And then goes through the the ceremony. Procedure that we've already described right. Now see elegance also has only male counterparts, so there's some aphrodite and there's males, but there aren't. Females Kinda fascinating most of their volume when you look at their anatomy. Is Taken up by their reproductive system, so you'd have to imagine maybe mind flairs would be the same way like other than the big head everything from the neck down his reproductive system. Yeah, I mean they probably don't need much in the way the traditional digestive system because they're only getting a limited amount of sustenance out of that brain, yeah! And then who knows how they defecate, maybe they just they're always coming in slime, so maybe just maybe security wars well the the elegance of their nine, hundred, fifty nine sells three. Hundred of them are neurons. This sounds about right for larval mind flair, especially if it's primarily using its thoughts, it's brain. It's thinking capacity. See Elegance also have neuro structures. These are just in nematodes. Mind you that includes sense organs for taste, smell temperature an touch. They don't have is, but they do respond to light. Hopefully, nobody search someone is onto these guys anytime soon, but they responsive to light as well. and they move by flexing and relaxing their dorsal ventral waves along their body to propel themselves along, and this was how I was imagining. The mind flare. Must have to have some kind of locomotion right whether it's moving through cerebral fluid that it's swimming around in, or it's crawling up into somebody's skull, so it probably does a similar thing right by flexing and relaxing until it burrows up in there and eats the brain, so I think see elegance as a nematode is a pretty good start. There's lots of hermaphroditic creatures out there that we could look to, but this seems plausible for how. The Mind flair I guess the reproductive part inside the actual adult mind flares bodies working. Yeah, yeah, I think that's an interesting spin on it and certainly fleshes out something that, at least in the guides I've looked at it. They don't really put a lot of detail into right. Yeah, that's probably a little too much for your average Jean de Reader fats in Volos an additional guy, the the midnight gallos erotic guide the monsters. Okay, so we've talked a lot about this on the side, but let's really get into it. The elder brain so key magin like if we just had rather. Rather than like a boss and work instead where your bosses offices. There's just a big. Baby Pool that's filled with cerebral fluid in a giant brain and that's what tells you what your duties are for the day I'm picturing it right now I, could probably get behind after after a while. Yeah Yeah. You could trust in other brain. Yeah, fail brain. Who's to WHO's going to question the rain, but will you I wouldn't know, but the drift Stewarton did. That's spoiler for that book exiled. Speaking, of which yes, so this is actually a quote from it, and I can give you a little bit of an idea of from the pros what they're. The inside of the giant stone structure was ringed by balconies and spiraling stairways, each level housing, several of the mind flares, but it was the bottom chamber, unadorned and circular that held the most important being of all the Central Brain, fully twenty feet in diameter, this boneless lump of pulsating flesh tied the mind flair community together in telepathic symbiosis. The central brain was the composite their knowledge the. The mental I guarded their outside chambers in which had heard the warning cries of the ill-fated from the drought city, many miles to the east to the elephants of the community, the central brain was the coordinator of their entire existence and nothing short of their God thus only a very few slaves were allowed with this special tower captives with sensitive and delicate fingers. That could massage the illicit God. And Soothe it with tender brushes and warm fluids, so it's a little insight into what goes on with the elder brains. Will you gotta? Keep the the brain well-scrubbed. Yeah, it's like constantly like at a day. Spa Yeah. So. Again you get back into this idea that either. They developed this overtime, or they evolved to have. The elder brain is part of their their biology essentially. But part of their their their life cycle. I tend to like the idea that they they developed it or they turn to it after the fall. Because the mind, players endlessly plot the restoration of their empire in do so they have to maintain a perfect balance of secrecy and exploration ever climbing out the the shortest safest path much like the spacing guild in the. Yeah I can see parallel can't make big risks, because yeah, because if they don't pay off, they could lose everything right. So to survive, and to make the necessary medical `calculation here. The Lipids have this elder brain. Again giant Immobile Thought Oregon in a tank of brine. It's the Colonies Library of knowledge, a history of all their past lives when they die their their their own brains returned to the elder brain. It's a nexus of Meta. Cognition for the individuals in the colony and likewise kind serves the thrall as well note. That sounds like to me. What CYBORG ISM? Yeah, except for its using organic material sends very much like what we talked about in our episode on, cyborg assume yeah. I mean I couldn't help but think about human. Computing the entire system resembles in many ways, human information, networking systems, and the ever evolving supercomputers that manage it. Predominantly externalisation in inter connectivity of thought, and as we drift ever closer to the technological singularity when computer super intelligence truly eclipses humanity. It seems like we could be approaching our own age of the elder brain. Right? Yeah! I mean well think about it. The cloud the talks about the cloud. We're just like offloading information to the cloud and I. Don't know I, mean I guess we do have like people whose whole job is to maintain the cloud I. Don't know that they're necessarily giving it a delicate finger massages, but they work inside these data centers that house all this information. Version of the elder we put all of our human knowledge into it. We put all these details about our daily life when we die. Information about US lives on. Yeah, yeah, I mean what what is the Internet. What does the cloud but an elder brain and you know the more I think about it I. Would I think I'd be okay with trusting I'd I'd be I. Feel Safer Trusting the world to elder brain, or or in the the human variation here a super advanced artificial intelligence. Yeah, so you're ready to give up to sky net at this point you're like. Maybe it will do a better job than we have. Let's kind of the sky net situation. The, mind flares are saying look. If we screw this up, we're done. We're doomed were dying right so let's let's let's have this elder brain. That's GONNA. Take care of all those. Choices for us and this way we can survive, and maybe even rise again. Yeah, and so I'm trying to think to like parallels of this. If you like so in the stories of mine flares, basically, they'll protect the elder brand all costs. It's you know as you mentioned earlier I think. It's pretty high level monster to fight an elder brain or something. Pretty Powerful. PSYCHICALLY, wipe out if you try to hurt them, but but like imagine if. You just destroyed the Internet you just took out the cloud. Now I know that. The you know pretty much as much fantasy as mine flares at this point. But like. A world right now without all of that data backed up that we've got would be an utter chaos and so, what are we gonNa, do for now. We're GONNA protect all costs right. Yeah, that's like information is our primary resource right now? kind of crazy. Yeah, be sound like a modern human. You also sound like a mind flair, and saying that brings us back again to this area. This idea that the mind flares are essentially us. Yeah, they may have tentacles. They may eat more brains than we do on a daily basis, but they're essentially humans with with very similar. Reliance on information an informational systems. So. Think about that the next time you encounter one one of your adventure. Yeah, absolutely be a little bit more humane with the mind flares that you may be attacking. Yes, in human has the before you roll your initiative twice. All right so there you have it. Players so this was an episode, those a little bit of an experiment for us and had fun, but obviously we want to know if you had fun, too. If you liked this kind of thing, and you want more content like this from us in twenty seventeen, let us know okay. Reach out to us. Let us know on social media. We're thinking about doing something similar to this maybe on our social media platforms. 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"Aalto poverty rate continue to downward trend volunteer just above eleven percent. However. Forty three percent of those kids live in extreme poverty Bharti Wall. He of the Children's Defense Fund Minnesota says, that's too many and the percentages are higher and families of color and indigenous families. We can see that there was already disparity going into our our current economic crisis and that just means it is likely to be far worse right now children of Color and American Indian Children Make Up Thirty One percent of the child population in Minnesota but they make up sixty four percent of the kids living in poverty. I'm Mike Moen finally our Diet. But are tells us as wildfires rage across the West a new report from the Montana climate solutions. Council. Calls for a complete reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the state by the year twenty fifty. To reach this goal, the council recommends beefing up low emission. 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You want to go for run because the air is breathable and then you hear that might not be breathable this weekend but the call duty cold wear Alpha is out. And it looks and plays amazing. I played it for just a couple of minutes right now. I want so bad to play a video game but I have to run. So I don't turn into a fat ass. Are Definitely first world problems you might remember Charles Barkley when he had the fake show on Saturday night live white people problem. Fred Armageddon and Rachel Rats, and he's like what's your big problem because when we get invited to a party and they said no gifts but he gave us a cast. So we kind of feel like we should give him a gift and he'll be expecting it. But then the other people will think like, Hey, it said no gifts and why are you giving again after and you're trying to show off and well, he'd be mad and he's like, yeah, these are some problems right? All right. Let's talk some sports one, eight, hundred, eight, seven, eight play. 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He Genesis was actually during the twenty twelve campaign between Romney and Obama we just thought there'd be a cool way to help people kind of get involved with. The characters. So we created an endless running. Back then and it was pretty successful hit the number one spots a like a month after it was released and what we do differently with this game, we collected the mileage that you're running in the game and we post it on a website as a poll. So every mile players from kind of what separates us from anything else is and keep track of all those taking on the site and see who's winning and it was it went really well back. Then we effectively predicted that Win and so we thought, Hey, you know people had a lot of fun there. Let's do the same thing this year and So we've bamboo game, they put him in the new characters and. We, put it up there just relief last week and it looks like people are having a lot of fun with it. Taylor. This is a little bit different from games like super burning world, which was basically the people over at Bernie Sanders, they trying to get you to vote, and of course, people are more creative with millennials and trying to get them. into their hearts and minds any which way they can There are also some apps that just want you to vote in general. Especially Democrats want to rock the vote so to speak, but this is nonpartisan correct. Indeed. Yeah. One thing that we're really excited about is it's giving voice to every single person in in one day, you can both play as as Donald trump running to get votes in a Rainbow Afro Wig and you can play his Joe Biden in Wisconsin Cheese. Hat. So. Both it's non-partisan. Really it's an evolution. It's the first time. Ever. That people be able to actually enjoy polling you think about pulling everything from. People feeling as though they're not properly heard or things are biased We don't really have any of those issues here. It's you're able to play in a fun way and enjoy being able to support whatever individually you think of. And if you think I'm so sick by. You can play. I. Love this Zombie Washington or my favorite Frankenstein Lincoln hotch. Yeah Yeah we have the all stars although they didn't age well and we released do characters as well, and and in this version, me are also celebrating world leaders as well. So we have just arden. The End Putin and can join them. Yeah just into arden. Only forty years old doing a great Job Zealand right now but you mentioned people like, Putin. You'll get a visceral reaction of just rage from some people. You'll mention cholera and like I love her I hate her and so. Do Do you sometimes people think you're stepping on toes when you're just trying to make a game here I don't think. So the way we approach gain is we want to have fun with these characters not make fun of them. There's so much stuff happening in the world today is the negative campaigning all the negative stuff that's happening. We just thought you know the celebrate your character there's nothing derogatory game at all. You can just have fun list whoever you want to. Speaking, with Chad Leeann Taylor Scott about the game presidents, Ron Taylor how is that you at I can came together with react games. or I can just very passionate about changing as I mentioned before. It's I can real Gore. Here's the next year we're going to be launching the world's first mobile holographic platform. So. This huge library of content that we're building now presidents the first of a rather wide net but different applications that we're gonNA bring already APP store fractionally massively translated next year you'll be able to play these games state but also be able to go into a open projected Hologram state with your mobile phone. So it's about being bring that one reason why? Again as you mentioned, we're so passionate credits renting purchase because it really is the first of its kind being able to take a very serious subject on everyone's minds right now especially leading up to November being able to humanize it and enjoy the experience of being involved in political system rather than being so polarized. And Chad what is it like when you've got people who will say? You know this is a throwaway game support. It's a platformer. It's just for the election and then we'll all forget about it and he'd say, no, no no maybe it's dramatic. But this is actually a fun game. It's a unique game and it's not just a port. Right, are are planning designing initially was for prisoners from the political candidates, but we've designed what were with a free to play game like this. We're always GONNA be releasing new content and that's why released really fun characters like Zombie the ex. We have some really interesting take on some of the past presidents which include you know all of them, but we're also bringing world leaders as well, and hopefully we can get to you know president the company. So it's not just world leaders, but I imagine those and some of these other ones. You know running and people running for different issues. And Taylor you mentioned the Holograms and I know you guys got your seed funding in. You got your five Mil. Congratulations for for me I think for most of US first. Hologram. was. Helped me over our only hope or you're GONNA do how you GonNa do this and augmented reality to manipulate environments. Great, question again for me that that moment is definitely burned into my brain and. It's a really unique combination of Elaine architecture system that we're going to be hearing more about very very soon. And a unique type of artificial intelligence and we actually impregnate that into the phone allowed to do a lot of work for the user. So you'll actually for the first time able to have that you know be one you're my only hope but real time with two different individuals. So you can actually have that as your real time communication system, and again instead of you know having to use goggles I wear, it's actually open space with your mobile device. So the very convenient way of taking a somewhat distant technology we've been talking about Princess Leia for how many years and actually humanizing it and getting it to you right now. And Chad I'm sure there are some android people thinking I guess we're left out but you're you guys are working on getting it over to the Google. People, Right We're actually putting the final touches on that, and the android version will be released in matter days. Taylor have you had any of the candidates approach you and say, Hey, this is going to be popular and it's already been popular in the past. Almost, like animal crossing where we can get some political signs in the dirt here have you had any of the parties or candidates approach you about maybe trying to slip into your back pocket they're. No we have, and again, this is new application. So it's already had some really great responses. We haven't had any of those conversations yet, and again the hallmark of this application we're not we were not biased toward anyone side. So when it comes to that a major push for us on the run side to keep it neutral in both of those positions. So everyone has an equal. Ability to engage with the system. When you think about it, you can play as any of these characters trump find what the same ending occurs at the end of it. If you if you hit too many times, you explode into a batch of banana cream pie and bowling teams. So you know we're very passionate about keeping it to where everybody gets play the exact same way. And Question Chad I've always maintained that. Will play a game. If it's fun. You know I don't care about frame rate and frames per second and the actors and the Pixel Ation or how much hyper if have a commercial during the super bowl I mean we played tetris because it was fun. It was nothing graphically groundbreaking there. So what about the fun factor in this game? Fun. Factor definitely there And that's why we spend a lot of time in the very beginning making sure it was really fun and simple. So really it's your Turkish running from left to right you tap on the screen and they can jump and that's it. You're collecting votes at you're going through you're collecting base the help you get more mileage, and the funny thing is my my mother-in-law I introduced her to it kind of a test case. She sat down on the weekend and she supports a certain candidate I won't tell you to but I heard this president's run music. I'm already hired because I've played it so much all weekend long she just kept playing over and over she's you know mid seventies and she just kept on going and she loves the fact that she's contributing and it's it isn't a game as you get further along it. So gamers out there it gets really hard. It gets really frantic. So it kind of grabs both markets dead make gamers gamers. Very. Cool. I. One last question for you Taylor Kim Jong. UN is in this game and we know just from motion pictures and things that the North Koreans can become highly offended. Have you had any threats? Have you? Know we've had no threats. I'm fortunately, and it's big reason why we take that approach I mean Sarin Kim Jong up up against Frankenstein Lincoln. I think it definitely kind of normalizes the situation. It's not so tense too big reason we went to a lot of time and developed making sure that nobody would would take major offense to it occurs within the application. they are Chadli in Taylor Scott from aiken and through react games, they have put up presidents, Ron It's available in irs right now coming soon to the to the android phones and applications as well. Chad Taylor congratulations on the game. Thanks for stopping by, and let's catch up down the road. Thank you. All right I'm Rick Tuttle take a quick break and we'll come on back on. Sports. The world is. So fastly sticks. Ever feel like you're not keeping up personally or professionally enter elevated media es Q. Elevating with Marsha allows you to advertise a form you never thought possible. They feature a business in an interview type fashion, which is comfortable, amazingly affordable and flexible. 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Welcome back to the show continuing on with Rick's pics. By the way, we have open lines the rest of the way if you'd like to get in and have yourself heard before we went into the weekend. The colts in the vikings are both looking at themselves in the mirror saying how the hell did we start off one one? Playoff teams here what's going on man he? What's going on well Colts drafted Jonathan Taylor to complement their ground game but now he's the starter and the finisher. Because he will be the workhouse guy that's what the head coach. Frank Reich is known as France and Germany Toronto. Five, ten, two, hundred, twenty, six pounds, and. Weekend debut six catches for sixty seven yards. He is A. Great, player at Wisconsin. He became the first player. To go for six thousand yards and three seasons, which is pretty amazing. But MARLIN MAC. Is. Hurt. So he's going to get the load and then you think about. What are they known for? You say well, Kirk cousins but it's that Mike Zimmer defense right. Well they allowed. Forty three points and five hundred, twenty, two yards last week, which is the most of the Mike. Era and they have not started own to since two thousand thirteen. And Philip rivers how is he going to do? with the colts he threw two interceptions t y Hilton dropped the last two passes at the game. He said it has not at all week. But you know after the very strange home opener, the Vikings make their first road trip where they say a crowd. If you WANNA call it, that will be up to two thousand, five, hundred. Two thousand five hundred I guess rich people. and. So. I mean, the the colts have been very inhospitable to Minnesota. which has lost all eleven games that they've played in either Baltimore. Or indie. That is the only franchise that the vikings have never beaten on the road. That's pretty amazing I. don't care how bad you are. Or how dynastic the other side is how do you go when eleven in the history of the franchise? Well Philip Rivers remembers hanging posters of some quarterback greats on his. Bedroom Wall but this week he could be. Joining some and surpassing some others because two more touchdown passes. And three, hundred and sixty six yards. You'll become the six member. Of the four, hundred td and the sixty thousand yard clubs. And Twenty four completions, he will pass Dan Marino for fifth all-time, just under five thousand. and. If he does start, that will make his two, hundred, twenty, six consecutive start, which is eleventh all time. He'll be tying Terrell suggs there and one more win. We'll give them a hundred and twenty four, which will tie him with Fran Tarkenton for number eighth all time. But I mean what are you GonNa do it. Doesn't matter if you lose. Right. Otherwise Avia roads. Seventeen seasons with the Vikings before signing with Indie as a free agent. And he's not bitter. He said quote when I was practicing against those guys and I was there we were competing each and every day. So it's going to be the same right there on the field, but I'm going to be able. To tackle them this. Yes it's true. This is a hard one but I'm going to go ahead and take the colts at home here. I will pick the Vikings to begin to now the forty niners. Another team that is shocked that it lost but as I said, this is one that I got wrong. But I gave a little caveat that Arizona is the bogey team for the forty niners the last few years they are they lost Josh Rosen twice. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. And they're heading three thousand miles to New Jersey. After they messed up their fourth quarter lead in their opener now, I picked the jets to be the very worst team in the NFL this year. So I'm going to pick the forty niners to win this game, but as I said, it's tricky. When you go to the East Coast and the jets did look awful they lost at Buffalo. Last Sunday. But the niners Richard Sherman has a calf. He's out George biddle with a knee as uncertain to play. deebo. Samuel. Then plan the opener brandon. I didn't play in the opener Rappalo got a lot of criticism. But. The jets note the niners dealing with Labor on bell has a hamming. He's out. He's on I R Jamison crowder their leading receiver has a Hammy a lot more strain on. Sam Darnold who I'm not a big fan of talent. Wise. But Manual Moseley Fillon for Sherman and Azeglio weatherspoon on the other side of the niners don't want either of these guys really to start a corner but they have to. But you know you think about Shanahan Han remembering. Studying Frank Ores College film back in the day when he was a quality control Koshen two, thousand four and Gore's still going sixteen years later. The third leading rusher in NFL history, which is no one would would guess that they just they just won't. I think he most it's going to have a big day I don't think that. The niners have needed to do a lot of passing in this and I think San Francisco. Will Win by the way they're favored by a touchdown on the road, which is rare the eagles and the rams that's when it's hard to pick. Rams are wanted to know eagles on one. I will go. This is one of these games so I can't decide I, just go with the home team. and. I think I mean if you look at Gothenburg Lance, they went one and two in the draft. And you almost always on quarterbacks one to it doesn't work out. Well. It has worked out for these guys. Whence was third NFL MVP voting got his team to the super. Bowl couldn't plan it. Golf did lead his team to the Super Bowl. but I like the the Eagle is Shane. Eagle in this one. Couple more morning games the packers host the Lions and normally you just kind of wave your hand and say, Oh, the packers going to win this. Do we really need to break down? Or. Their leading rusher is Adrian Peterson. He's still going but Aaron Rodgers last week was Aaron. Rodgers. Four touchdown passes no interceptions. Matt Stafford wasn't Matt Stafford Because Matt Stafford will usually go three and one. He had one td and one touchdown pass. Not a big Matt Patricia Guy Either. I will go for the pack at home. The bears host the giants. And the bears were behind behind behind and they were able to. pull out a victory in the end in e. In Week one Mitchell trubisky hanging on. Ford field last week, the giants lost at. Pittsburgh on Monday night football by ten. But the you know the bears are coming off an eight and eight year and they went on spent a lot of money on a quarterback who's not playing yet and they don't need them trubisky three touchdowns. No picks. Daniel Jones two picks in. The that game it's at soldier field I don't think either of these teams are going to go to the playoffs, but I'll take Chicago Chicago Chicago. It's wonderful. And you know Daniel CIANCI's these quarterbacks need to get help. I mean you like you move up in the draft you select Ham Dave gettleman you shock everyone and he said he's the guy that's the guy I want to go with. Well all right that's the guy you want to go with. Why don't you get them some weapons get some to block for my notes year or two. But at some point, you can't just throw a guy out there and expect him to succeed if you don't have the weapons especially when you send back to Cleveland. advertiser, we'll take a quick break more picks on the other side. May. Now a game of commercial chicken brought to you by progressive where we see how long flow can go without talking about insurance ready go so true ethic has been crazy lately right and rush hour. Forget it nobody wants to let you merge onto the highway. But Hey somebody. Let you merge you wouldn't be there. So drivers switched to progressive big. Okay you win we can't help but saving customers money progressive. Casualty. Insurance Company and affiliates. Old. 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Usually just go back. That Gallon has one hundred and twenty six pickoff attempts. Zero pickoffs. Next is Griffin canning with forty five and then Robbie? Ray. With forty one and Corbin Bernas with forty, which means. That the next three combined. Still don't make. What he had. So maybe that's what you need to be a successful pitcher. Let's get to the afternoon games on. Sunday. The cardinals will be hosting. Washington football team. Commonwealth of Independent States. And they both started off one until and they were both very surprising. One knows as the I mentioned the almost call the Aztecs. The Arizona cardinals that'd be sending state. Cardinals. went into San Francisco or Santa Clara won their game and then Washington scored twenty seven. Points to knock off their division rival Philadelphia. They were up seventeen nothing and I got away from. So. The good news is GonNa. It's GONNA keep rolling for one of these teams but it said Marquee match-up of Arizona's potent offense against Washington's defensive line which had A. Big Game Philly PHILLY's defend the offensive line's deplete a bit Ryan Kerrigan had two sacks and J Xiang and his debut number one overall pick had one and a half. Sacks. So Cliff Kingsbury there on a coach said, it was pretty nerve wracking watching their film, the eight sacks causing. Causing fumbles they were really really good. So we just have to have a great week of practice like we've done playing the forty niners. You just have to play for those edge rushers and that's the thing. The niners bring the house too. So. If you think about the offense for. Cuyler Murray. Ran, for ninety one yards and threw for two twenty four. So it was a little bit of a weird balance but around Rivera, the almost called them the redskins Washington's head coach said. He's just such an elusive guy and he just gives me exile eighty. What you WanNa do is you want to keep a guy like that in the pocket you WanNa keep that guy contain. You don't want to give an opportunity to extend plays with his athleticism and his arm he can make plays. Yes. Well, the cardinals were also behind ten to nothing before they got their momentum back so How's IT GONNA go this week. This is down in the Valley of the Sun. I'll take the Arizona cardinals the chargers will be taking on. Each champion Kansas City chiefs AFC west. Hilt. This will be in Los Angeles and the chargers long wait for their shiny new home and when they go into. Sophie so-fi. You're so fine. Oh, Ricky. You're so fi. Stadium. Maki. But it might be some route guests that come in. The chiefs have won eleven of the past twelve against Kansas City, they've taken the past six on the road as well. Kansas City got thirty four points in the blink of an eye over the Texans in their opener who I think are but a team, the chargers. If you go back to last season, just overall county playoffs, they won ten games in a row. And that began with their victory over the chargers in Mexico City. Last year there's just weapons everywhere. The chargers defense have a pass rush and they can contain Patrick Mahomes. At times in the past they have but it just doesn't translate to wins. The chargers came off their three point win at Cincinnati, which makes them feel a lot better. but just the whole thing about Dean Spanos he wanted a new stadium he went. So now he's sleeping on the food time at this so-fi stadium. and he got his wish it's probably good that they don't have any fans in the stands like they say as mariners on Monday night because I don't think there are a lot of charger fans quite honestly anywhere in the world much less Los. Angeles. I'll take the chiefs on the road by the way they're favored by eight and a half on the road. The Texans are Owen one and they're at home against the Ravens. The Ravens are a seven point favorite. This is where I'm going to turn the tables here. This is my upset special if you want to just by covering I don't like the Ravens in this game and it's not because of anything about Lamar Jackson who last week threw for two, seventy five and ran for forty five, thousand, three touchdowns no picks to Shawn Watson. WAS NOT. Great In his first game against Kansas, city, with a pick and a touchdown passes well. Just, think that the Texans are too good to go into I. don't care who they are playing after they lost on the road. They're gonNA, come home to Houston and I just think they're going to get it together. There will not be any fans by the way at in urged stadium team officials made the announcement. Last month and JJ. Watson, he can't remember the last time. He played a game at any level without a crowd. He said that he remembers when he played youth football, he could hear his grandfather going nuts. Lots said as an athlete if you can't get yourself ready and amped up to compete against another team and to compete at the highest level, and then you really probably shouldn't be out there in the first place. Yes. Otherwise Patrick Queen. Guy. WHO I really liked in college and I thought maybe the raiders might draft the Ravens took him and He was put right at Middle Linebacker and he had a great game led the team in tackles and he had a sack. It was very explosive at yellow issue and now he's explosive. In the NFL. was asked about the NFL on his debut. He said it's what I expected and I wanted to do better than I did but I'm grateful for what I got I prayed about it slept on it dreamed of making plays while the Texans don't have playmakers like the Andrea Hopkins anymore but we'll feller will fuller did step up last week and as I said, a lot of people will be like. Not, people like. Nokia, like I'm taking the Texans in this one. Once again. The seahawks host the Patriots on Sunday night football. and Bill Belichick said basically. Paraphrase that. He. Says that, Russell Wilson's underrated and he doesn't see a better quarterback in the entire NFL. He wouldn't have said that last year for obvious reasons by the Russell Wilson last week four touchdown passes no picks Cam Newton. Was doing his Michael Vick impression no touchdowns, no interceptions but ranch are seventy five and two touchdowns as well. Who did bill belichick replace as New England head coach Pete Carroll Twenty years. Ago. It's pretty amazing and back. Then if you'd say two decades later, will you be regarded as to the best coaches and? Always say, yes, we do. But Carol said neither of us are fly by night guys. There's a real fundamental connection that we were raised right by the people we grew up under, but I do think it's a lot easier to stay with it. When you win, it's hard if you get your butt kicked week in week out. Are To hold your job and these opportunities. Well. Bella. Check also added. When you're trying to do a good job in the situation that you're in the fact is that we're still coaching on our paths are still crossing. I guess we've done pretty well or somebody would have replaced us. I have a ton of respect for all that pizza accomplished both Seattle USC and other places in his career as well. Really. Do you really admire what he did? With. The New York jets. Here's the thing who's older. Ballot check is wrong. Pete Carroll is older. I hear P carroll sixty nine. and Bill. Bell. Check is sixty eight. Two of the oldest coaches to coaches both trying to get The to know as well. And remember Jamal Adams. They gave up a lot to get him. Did Seattle and in his debut, he led the team in tackles with twelve tackles for alas. Loss and a sack as well taking a lot of the. Pressure. Off of Bobby Wagner, at at running back. I want to see what happens with. Cam Newton how they run them this week. And by the way, nick folk was not perfect in week one as the Patriots Kicker. Nor was Justin Vasa. But for now nick folk is the guy. This'll be one of the loudest venues in the NFL if there were fans well, no fans will be allowed in centurylink field for at least three home. Games. And this is a stadium that has caused literally seismic activity. I believe the seahawks will win this game. We'll talk more about it on Monday. But we will have the first ever game. The Las Vegas Raiders in Las? Vegas. And it was supposed to be a big celebration. Now but they'll have the New Orleans saints coming in fresh off beating Tom Brady and Tampa Bay. there'll be national televised audience. A two billion dollar stadium bill mostly with tax money that was supposed to go to state of Nevada schools mark. Davis said he won't go until the fans can go. Eric Harley said. It still is a football fan a cool feeling to be able to play Monday night. We wish our city here. Las Vegas. We wish they could experience it with us. Sure. They'll be around somewhere I'm sure there is a certain street or stripped they'll be on that are fans will be at, but I wish they could be there. But hopefully, it feels the same energy and all those kinds of things. Their car, what you want them to gather. Are we not supposed to? Gather right now. Jon Gruden said Mark Davis is the owner of this team. He's very passionate about our fan base were so excited to have our debut in front of our Raider fans here in Vegas it's disappointing though. That's the stupidest thing. Jon Gruden has everson his life. Because if you care about Raider fans, you wouldn't have moved them away not in front of the new fake ones. I'm traveling rick. I'm real not you didn't mean you. Sean. Payton in Jon Gruden have coach together before they've known each other for a long time they have connections under railroads. This I'd like to say the raiders are going to win this but the raiders really should have lost against Carolina Matt ruled and screw it up for them by knocking the ball to McCaffrey. The saints I don't see the raiders. Stopping Kamera. Drew brees will go a little nuts and if he doesn't go nuts, they'll do a trick played taste them hill. At some point. So. And by the way in this game. The saints are favored by five and a half I. Think they win by a touchdown. Hope I'm wrong though. We'll take a quick break coming back on sports. Blues. Tally. I like. Just. Attention to anyone that's written a book a wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated take a first step. Even if you write a page a day you build momentum and your book will become a reality. The hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call page publishing. 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When you look at his contributions to the New York mets. And you guess you could say through no fault of his own because he's been hurt. But he was there for a possible two, hundred and twenty two games. And he played in nine none of them in the field. So he didn't even need a glove the last two seasons. He made eight total plate appearances. He got no hits. And he got one walk and he made twenty million dollars. So. He literally received twenty million dollars for a base on balls. The. You could say if you walk in the winning running game seven and the world series, that's an expensive walk because you don't get the cash and being champs and merchant all that. But if you look at it the other way. Jeb shed lowry the poor guy with his knee. Do I want Jed Lowrie back out? Why would it? Why would anybody even suggest that? Why would you even suggest it? Twenty million dollars for a one walk. As I said, I know he was hurt and he couldn't help I guess. 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Well, we'll tell you all about it. Pretty impressive. Quite frankly I know some people were disappointed but the reality is when you go from being posed to opposed things happen we'll talk about those here on the show today we've also got of course next week on an xt is the gauntlet eliminator. And for reasons, I will never understand except that. That's what they do. They announced zero participants for the Gauntlet Eliminator on the network on national television. But yesterday on social media they began to throw at the names. We'll tell you the first entrant into the gauntlet eliminator. We've also got a lineup thus far for smackdown coming tonight. There will be a some Mohan streetfight. Featuring to Samoans versus to nonsmo- Ans Baron Corbin and James I guess I could be wrong could have some snow in heritage but I don't think. So that's coming up here tonight and the return of Sasha banks after being destroyed on the program two weeks ago she is coming back. 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Twelve point eight percent from last week up almost ten percent from the last time the show aired had within exte- and X T also up from the previous head battle six, hundred, eighty, nine, thousand viewers down seventeen point eight percent from running unopposed last. Tuesday. But up eleven percent from the last head to head week so. Both shows compared to the last time they went head-to-head they were both up about ten percent no NBA, no nhl new shows normal level of audience. I'm sure that won't last long dynamite finished third on cable and eighteen to forty nine demo point three, four rating down eight percent from last week up six percent from August twelve and x t eight point one eight and the Demo thirty on cable down fifteen percent last week but up twelve percent. From August twelve, of course as always a d one everything. Except people over fifty where exte- had the advantage although it was closer point three to two point three six. That was closer there. Maybe maybe trends mother is going to help a w win that over fifty demo. People eighteen to thirty four AWA huge advantage point two, four, annex tease point one. Eight wbz everything on cable in people eighteen to thirty four maybe everything on cable in males eighteen to thirty four and overall they finished third in eighteen, forty, nine, which I'm pretty sure is the all-time highest they have ever finished. In the demos so quite frankly going head to head again, both of those numbers were good both shows were good. Obviously the news cycle I mean some disasters befall us at anytime. So they'll be contending with Adam sure before too long but so far. So good moving back to Wednesday nights. Yeah latter television competition is for next week but one point five, seven, five, million between both or very, very good I was hoping. That this number would be good because they had good shows and hopefully gun all depending on what the competition is next week both shows should be up because I I would assume that word got out and Bo show should be rewarded for the good shows that they put on this week we'll have to see but that's really the the biggest. One it comes to these ratings are likes to over the biggest one for me is actually the over all audiences the one that I always kind of key in on the most not to say that the others aren't important for different reasons but for my own selfish reasons, the overall number and how many people are actually checking out both. So's really the most important thing to me, and again they had good shows last time around hopefully competition and so tough this upcoming week so they can both benefit again. So on Wednesday, they announced the goblet. For the number one contender ship to Finn Valor, there's going to be a women's battle royal as well but. To competitors will enter every four minutes. Another competitor enters. The hell was that. I'm hearing myself in my own my own head the only way to be eliminated via pin fall or submission, and last man standing will become the number one contender. So basically, you can either look at it as as tech warfare with five guys or elimination chamber with no chamber as what we're talking about for next week, they announced this. William Regal says five men. They show footage on the screen of nine men which last I checked was more than five I could be wrong with my math. They didn't announce any names on USA network national television. But yesterday we got her first name on social. Media. And that is Kushida. Wide Issue I entered this drives me absolutely crazy dude listen to skeptic two seconds to think about this but. I know that they want stuff for social media and so their idea was well, we won't announce any names and then we will announce one neighbor day for five days to get people excited about the match. I got a better idea. How about on Wednesday you actually announce all five names on national television and then on social media over the next five days, you release a promo from every one of those guys talking about why they want to win the match there. You've got names announced on national television you promote it on national television, and then for your social media hardcore is you've got new content for them every day it's not that hard. It's way to pro wrestling. It's like those old localized promos that they got rid of the US to sell people and get people excited and have people of this era going back and going man dusty Rhodes Ric flair all those guys regret promos. Yeah. Imagine if they did something like that. We didn't. We have a situation where Zelina Vega House. Busted into. By. WHO WAS IT God somebody broken his Lena Vegas. Zoom Zoom. Nothing different I and that's the thing was it led to nothing was. For it it was. Okay God Bianca. Belair Blair's thank you very much. That's what she's been utilized. On TV I've forgotten her name shame on me shame on them for not focusing on her more and bringing back people like me which I have. That's a separate subject. But you more things like that do utilize social media better utilize it for Promos, utilize it for wacky situations like that. Do that make sure you have the names, your superstars that's what you should be selling on the show and have all this other. Stuff come later you don't have time for gimmicks. You don't have enough is on you. You don't have enough people viewing to do dumb goofy gimmicks right now do what you do best have these people have their names put out there and then the other stuff later on make sure people know that valor is going to be on the show make sure you know that whatever your biggest stars are wherever you're pushing the most make sure that people know they're going to be there everything else comes second. 'cause. Shida here tweeted. You may not remember ten years ago of passed since I I fought you. The time has finally come a merciless I've removed the limiter. In Ballard all definitely stand in front of you see you a takeover. To which val responded. On twitter I like you 'cause Sheena good luck in the Gauntlet I hope you win. So I can beat you again I did ten years ago nine years ago eight years ago seven years ago six years ago etcetera etcetera. Would have been that hard to fill those promos and put them on twitter as voltages tweeting about it. Yet but the problem is they've also actually had stuff like that. Good, stuff that actually have done it. Right. That has gone up on WW DOT COM and gone up on people's private instagram's and twitter's, and they could be used and they're not. And for whatever reason they don't, and that's the other thing too is if you're going to do stuff like this. It back into the show too. So it gives people a reason actually like you know keep the cycle going Oh, they've announced these matches they announced this person's you're going to be on the card you know, and then there's always going to be a good Promo WanNa hear what they have to say or I to see what wacky could happen again they get so far away from what they should be doing it. Kinda, drives me nuts and I know drives you nuts. It's coming well, tonight, actually smackdown we've got. Hey Jay styles versus Sammy Zane tonight, this is a battle that will lead to I'm sure a three way for both of the intercontinental titles. We, got moment of Bliss with Nicky. Cross for that's GonNa. Go well. Roman reigns in Jay use overs Barron, Corbin and shameless in a Samoan streetfight. Coming on the heels by the way of the streetfight that finished off Awa today's earlier. and. Sasha banks will return on this week show and she will respond to you Bailey's that's coming up tonight. On the. SMACKDOWN show I don't know those two street fights have necessarily anything to do with each other. They'd if you're going to have a junkyard streetfight if they would've announced that for smackdown would I would cringe a little bit more at it but this is just you know an easy way for Roman to beat up Jay at the end of it. Spurs. It's very skeptical that Kushida will be allowed to remove the limiter. Well Hey, he was. He was a for wrestler on Wednesday. He beat the Holy Hell Out of Austin theory was the greatest. This person here says. Maryland one is twitch stream on Tuesday said, he didn't know much about hangman page, but he watched the match with Zarian and said, it was quote fivestarsoap. Funny that he's using Dave's Gimmick. I duNNo. If I call the five star match but was a pretty damn good match as was the streetfight as was the thunder Rosa match as was the Damian. Prese match on Annex T as was the tag title match in Ecksteen Team as was the oprah next that was not a bad night for wrestling at. A moment survived. Airlines have just reduced their prices even more book thirty days in advance and save big want the absolute lowest prices on your airline tickets. Then call the low cost airlines travel hotline right now for prices so low, we can't publish them anywhere the only way to access our low rates and save up to seventy percent is to call save hundreds on your vacation tickets by calling right now, you can fly anywhere in. 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We got a random October fourth or whatever. The date is takeover with three weeks. Actually two weeks build because they're going to figure out who the number one contenders are a next week show, which means week after that, they'll have a go home show and then they'll have takeover. They'll look at me. I cannot explain this. And I've tried. Spurs in here says. SASHA BANKS IS NOT ON TV via satellite in a neck brace then the story is already lost well, they haven't said that she's going to be there. They merely said that she will make an appearance. I think it's too early for an appearance but I guess they really want them to wrestle on the next pay per view. So. I guess that's what were as what we're doing. Why rush things? It's crazy that that one's crazy because of the way she went out because of the reaction that a got you know you're just going to build up anticipation more this thought that like. Just because she's going to be off for awhile Amine wwe doesn't realize that usually when they pull people off TV or when somebody gets injured and they go away for a long time, the more popular than ever when they come back because they're not looking like crap on TV every week and their Russian this thing way too fast. And I worry about because of the stupi sorely stupid story lines that they usually put together. This one is so easy and they've been bungling it for so long and then they were falling on a good stretch with them as a team and then they go ahead and they rush them. Okay. That Bailey splits everything everything fell wrong in Bailey. Turning everything felt wrong with barely during because they. Wanted People to actually have some sympathy on Sasha, but they never made Bailey look bad enough everything about this has been a failure and barely turns and it still is working and that's what makes me worry about it starting back up. So quickly because I don't know if Sasha banks is going to be out there in a neck brace or on via satellite, which is where she should be i. Can See her coming right back out there and going toe to toe with again and I just think that's silly now again, it's the one of the best things that they have. It might be the second or first best thing on the show he gets depending on how you look at Roman reigns and Paul. Heyman right now but like again. I just I'm hoping against hope that everything actually. Goes really smooth here, and they don't rush everything. They don't have to have imagined hell in the cell even though I know that's what they're leading to. It's just silly because Sasha should get again Sasha should lose anyway but she should really be afflicted going into that and I don't know I. Just think it's this whole thing is we'll see how it goes but I think it's crazy to Russia. All right. Well, this person says. Have you seen the video of evily seemingly not cooperating with Rosa in the match on dynamite this week I didn't notice during the show but watching the video back looks very obvious. Listen I watched the match the first couple of minutes of the match. They had a very choreographed opening sequence and it was slow and it looked like somebody forgot something it wasn't smooth. But. Other than that I did not notice anything watching the match. Next thing I know there's the story that they were shooting or something. So. I asked multiple people in a W. Nobody had any idea what this story was all about. They did their match they went backstage. There was zero issue there being booked together. Neither of them are under contract with a w. you're telling me that they were shooting in the ring and then the decision is, well, we're gonNA bring you back next week and put you in another match together. I'm ninety, nine, point, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, percent certain. That was no shooting net match nobody knew anything about it, and in fact, one person told me that they put those spots in there because of thunder roses, MMA background and I think evil lease trained and they were spots. So. No there was no shoot in the ring on dynamite show this past Wednesday night. Spurs in here says any idea why Joey Jamila was banned from Youtube? Dude if I followed social media's closely as I should back at answer these questions but I I I don't know. I NEAR SAYS Not. To get political but how much does bind beating trump effect the deputy vince well, I I would suspect not much but you never know But I would I would suspect I mean obviously, Linda will be out of power but I don't think you're gonNA see like massive changes within. W. Well I mean. State tax you know things of that nature. Sure. I mean, I guess from a corporate point of view it will affect them that way from a wealth point of view when it comes to taxes or other things than. Yeah. Maybe. But as far as the product goes unless Andrew Yang is going to be instilled as the Department of Labor head and he wants to start taking a real hard look at independent contractors and wants to crack open that box I mean. I don't know really how much else it can really affect anything I. Mean how much did it affect the product? Over, the last how many years I mean that's one thing they usually have tried to stay away from other than Linda Senate run where they did the flashback scene and some other times. Oh my his first year says, Sasha banks was already on the bump last week Brian and she was fine and not selling it. Well, we'll see what they do tonight. See what they do tonight. Dumb. Debbie Time Sasha banks is faced turned to take place at the same time mandatory in season two was announced a call made by Disney maybe I highly doubt it I highly doubt it. If they normally did injury angles where people weren't really injured and they kept out of action for like two months instead of a big return I'd say maybe, but this is par for the course like look quickly ray Mr you'll return from having his eyeball yanked out of his skull I. Mean this stuff happens all the time. So no I don't. I. Don't think that this was time for that reason plus if you're gonNA time at time it for when the show's about to come out not just when it's announced. Person here says. Thank you so much for the arcade documentary recommendation by question. Now, what is his overall legacy? Do you think that he redeemed himself and should he do a one off on TV is a full circle thing here's the thing with David Arquette. Like if you follow wwe or w closely when our cat became the champion. Artistic really hung up on on his legacy and how fans hated him and and this, and that neo thing. And God bless the guy but I mean, that wasn't true. Nobody held us against. David Arquette. Everybody held it against WCW. In facts, I think most people that followed pretty closely know that a David Arquette didn't want to be the chip he argued against it he tried to make them not make him the champion, and then even though they made him that she like all of the money that he made he donated to if I recall correctly like own hearts family and there was one other donation if I that he made. As. Well so he just gave all of his money back to people in the wrestling business that had had tragedies nobody held this against David arquette nobody thought this was his fault. They thought it was a dumb idea that WCW did and he just happened to be the recipient but either I don't know if like really nice mind he believes that people hated him but I don't think anybody hated David Arquette. David Arquette. Really Big Fan and he such big wrestling fan. He didn't want to be the symbol of everything that's wrong with pro wrestling and one of the things that was wrong with pro wrestling was the way the WCW eight itself and he is the no put asses in seats ready to rumble. David Arquette. Is the world heavyweight champion that's was I'm sure in his mind a black mark and look how people reacted. You know imagine if. Something like that were to happen now I guess in now it wouldn't. It wouldn't have as much of an impact, but if social media was what it was then I mean I can imagine what David arquette would have had to hear just for doing his job and just for being a fan and wanting to be involved in the business and trying to get a movie that was the thing is crappy is that movie was it was a movie? They tried to bring WCW to like the big stage. I mean as a wrestling fan i. mean he was all about it and he obviously was stung by all of the criticism and everything else and wanted to redeem himself and his own is and I'm sure you know I. I'm sure it doesn't way on him every night or anything like that. I'm sure part of it is using that background and using those emotions that he felt as A. Way to sell this documentary to sell his independent wrestling appearances. But Hey, I mean quitting with with Nick Gage and W when they were out there and all the stuff he did that people didn't know about showing up as Volusia mask on and training and doing all that sort of stuff I mean hey I David. arquette story to me in his legacy is going to be one of a wrestling fan that was able to get in there and. Be a part of the action and actually gave wrestling more than what it gives other people and what other people have given wrestling I mean guys like David Arquette the Kevin Greens of the world those people that really worth our core fans more than anything mean they're better than any celebrity that comes along and it happens to score just because they're big name. So I'm probably probably jinxing myself right here but. It's what I do. I believe in the next segment she lethal will be in beautiful hd here joining us on the program our first guest ever on video. So if you're watching long at twitch, DOT, TV slash affordable you video or replay on our members feed video dot affordable you online dot com let video of Jay Lethal. I actually have video from my wife's podcasts but now my own train change that here today and by the way it was Brian pelmets. Widow was the other person that are kid donate it all of that money too. So No, I don't think anybody hated David Arquette. 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You're listening to wrestling observer live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Semper v on the sports byline broadcasting network. are going to show Bryan Alvarez here wrestling observer alive and Mike Zimmer v Wrestling Observer Dot. com. And yes, we have in fact moved into the year twenty twenty which is not always a good thing but jay lethal here joining US beautiful hd from his palatial estate. J. It's going great and does speaking of twenty twenty not to start off on a sad note. There was a point there were I thought. Wrestling in twenty twenty was going to go by by terrifying I don't know about you or what your thoughts were on, but I thought for a second. This could be the end of wrestling for a little while. But you know when we when everything I shut down, which was very early here it was like March it for shut down here. But and then wrestling started going on hold I did a deal where if you were an indie worker who wasn't getting any bookings, I was just opening up slots on the show for you to come on and and sell your shirts or whatever Blah Blah. So I I told my producer do this for the next thirty days. and. Then like about you know a couple of weeks and I was like, okay, let's extend it to sixty days I just figured. You know it's GonNa. Be a while. And then all of these shows start rescheduling for the fall and you're thinking okay. Well, hopefully by the fall now here we are at September their shows running but I mean. Dude. It's GonNa be a while it's looking up here. Yeah. So how much time did you take off like how many? How many months where you're not doing anything? think about five right the. So the last show I had before we from the pure tournament was in February. So. Yeah. Since February I mean that doesn't mean that was out of the ring completely I have a school here in Tampa. So access to a ring unlike some of the guys. Yeah, I haven't I. Haven't had a shows since February? J You had all this stuff set up. You know the pure title tournament there were all these things being set up for the year both going into wrestlemainia weekend. Then out of that, a lot of plans that ring of honor had that we're gonNA see hopefully come to fruition now. But what did they tell you what are away to tell you what did anything come down from sinclair when things started to to close up what were you told and how much were you guys let in on as far as what the plans were going to be and how they were going to take care of you or not take care of you so when we got to Las Vegas for our pay per view, some people had made it into Vegas before getting a call saying that were no shows some people got the call before they board their flight I came into Vegas early. So I I didn't get that call in time although part of me believes that even if I got the call, I still would've gone to Vegas because I love Vegas. So the show didn't happen. We all go home and everybody's kind of in the state of Wisconsin on like come. How long is this can happen for about a week or so later, we all they had called zoom call zoom meeting with everybody on the roster. and at the time I think wwe was still running shows but no people in the arena there might have been wanted to other shows with nobody in the crowd and pretty much the owner joke off he pretty much said in zoom call. I'm not a big fan of the. No arena matches I mean it's rustling sure. But I'm not the biggest fan of them and he goes I rather keep my guys safe. I don't want any of my guys in the airports right now. I don't want my wrestlers in hotels during this pandemic. So just stay home. I, mean he's literally saying. We're going to keep paying you just stay home and be safe until we can get back to normal The crazy thing is. Everybody's like, yeah what a cool boss but deep down inside if we can't Russell what I mean, that's all some of us have especially myself by can't Russell it's like I can't live I can't breathe I, put all my eggs in the wrestling basket. And I got no backup. So I needed to Russell and I think Joe. Felt that a lot of us really didn't WanNa Russell. So then they put out this anonymous. Email where you can respond anonymously this some kind of form you fill out. and. Pretty much said, Hey I. Think you guys WanNa Russell that's the levels getting. Is that true? If we had shows would you WANNA fly and British everybody said Yeah. I mean. We'll fly tomorrow few ask US and I'm pretty sure that's why we had this shows so soon if it wasn't for that I think we would've eventually how these shows but much later. That Dave actually I brought up to me a few months ago was I can't remember what match we were watching, but it was it was a technical wrestling match. Probably, some from New Japan or something like that and said, you know what? When, when you do a technical wrestling match as opposed to like a traditional match where you're playing to the crowd and you know listening for reaction and everything like that those kind of matches don't work in a pandemic but the technical wrestling matches, they work a lot better with no fans because they're not reliant. On fans, it would be like you know years ago when used to watch ultimate fighter and those raw not fully empty arena they're no fans. There were just corners and everything like that, and it never hurts the enjoyment of the show you just watching two people fight. They're not playing to the audience or anything like that. So it is interesting that the first show back that you guys do. It's the pure title tournament. It's all wrestling no man against run-ins etcetera. I well, you're right about the way the pure wrestling works with no crowds but I think one thing that really really helps is I'm seeing these for the first a lot of us are seniors for the first time just like you guys. And just like the fans these amazing video packages. The way it's set up, it really gets you in the mindset. Okay. You're not gonNA see the traditional crash course stahl wrestling with the high flying, jumping over the ropes which I love that style of wrestling but. It will it really did something cool and special to you this video really which on the mindset. Okay. We're going to watch these athletes, rustlers, Jane Rustling and Schumer Wrestling Skill I. mean that video package really set the stage and I think that's why that's just my opinion I think it did so well. It really man those videos were done. Amazing. I mean and like I said, we didn't see those visit were as wrestlers were watching those videos come out for the first time we're seeing for the first time just like you guys are and Yeah. What a man? It just does a great job of setting it up. So good. So no spoilers obviously but like when when they approached you and everyone else in the tournament, you know how far you're going tournaments or did they just tell you like right before the match starts? Some of US found out ahead of time and some of US didn't, and we kind of figured that the the Munzer didn't maybe weren't going as far at one one partout you know at these shows normally you can after or before your match, you can watch the match in the ring before you share as a wrestler, you need to watch that much before because it'll tell you what you need to do to top it and that we couldn't. We couldn't do that. That wasn't available to us. They US you into this room it's just. You and your opponent then you gotta get out may disinfected. You can't come back in there and after your match they whisk you to a different room you get dressed and then your shovel back in the hotel and you can't leave your room. So we didn't even get to see the matches. So when the shows air we're as wrestlers were all watching the whole show for the first time, these amazing video packages I'm getting to watch these matches I wish that I saw him at the building but I, didn't I'm really looking forward to see rockies match. So. Yeah. We're all watching these shows as it happens just like you guys are because we we weren't told much. So the reason I ask is I mean, did you Dalton both know who is winning when you did those those videos talking about the match? Yet okay yes. Sorry. The show was taped I the video. We had a Promo Day on the second is see. Okay we didn't. We didn't. We weren't in the same room for the promos obviously, but we Promo Day was on the second day. The reason I ask this question is. The first Promo video that I saw was yours it was so good. And when it was over I was like There's no way. jeeze losing this match. So then Dalton comes on screen. and. Like his from was so good. That was like there's no way Dalton's losing this match. And so I watch I had no idea who's winning and I watched the match and. Sort of air. So we could say, but I mean you won the match but I mean he was so convincing in his promo about no one takes me seriously anymore I've gotta prove I'm still a bad man and I've had these and it's like the sky can lose you just can't. But then he went in and lost because it's pure tournament there will be winners and losers and some people's hearts will be broken. The I saw. I saw Dalton's video I before I saw mine and when I remember seeing his and I was like, Oh my God this video is incredible. I can't wait to see I can't wait to see mine. This is so cool and then I was searching I confided then someone sent me the link and was like Oh here you go. You can the out or whatever then I watched it and I just fell in love with I said, could you imagine even after this tournaments over depending on how wrestling is? The Lady's promos are fun to get to learn about each wrestler even if there's not much you know about them could you imagine doing the same thing with like the tag team? Or the women's division. For Women Win of you ever seen promos like that for women like I mean, the sky's the limit on the way we could the things we could do with the way they shot all this stuff I think. All, these desperate situations because of covert have brought some good stuff you know a. w. running dailies place outside has been a really cool visual new Japan with lions break, and now with doing lines break crown is something that I hope they actually hold onto and now with ring of honor with with this type of style I mean it's kind of their own unique throwback to you joke off was probably very used to way back in the day when you've watched TV and they'd have the Pwi. Sit Down Scouting report and they'd have these les. Thatcher personality profiles on guys I mean from what you've seen in the pandemic era of some of the stuff that's out there I mean obviously want to hold onto this. Are there some other things that have come up where it's like? Hey, this is stuff that we need to incorporate back in when times are smooth again. What was that last part I'm sorry skittled. Are Smooth. Again, what are some things that you want to see from this era like these interviews you must see this kind of hold on and have you seen some things that have come from desperate situations that you'd like to see Meld back in when things are normal again well, definitely these interviews I mean. The title matches they already have this high status, but the lower card matches I mean, could you imagine these? It wouldn't no. One would get sick of them but could you imagine these? Promo videos for almost every match make almost every much. He'll so special like I don't know how many times you can do that before people get sick of them but I I'm all for tilling. Kit. Until they get sick of it I definitely think this is something that we need to keep doing. Well, yes you probably don't know the answer to this and it's kind of the same question but I mean I was told you know like a ago that nobody is doing what we're doing for this pure tournament and wrestling and the time it was like, how could someone? Be doing something that nobody else is doing. But when you watch it, nobody is doing this and the feedback that I got from. The first show is like our which needs to just like do this forever like this, this people really seem to like this so you know anything I mean, is this the future direction or is it just only for this pure title tournament? No idea. I have. My fingers are crossed this this at least something along the lines of this is going to continue forever because I like I said, I'm watching all this stuff for the first time because I haven't seen any of the shows we seem none of the video I just being made. So I'm becoming a fan of the place that I work even more so now. So I hope this continues but no we I don't know We weren't told much of anything and I think it's also to There are no secrets and wrestling but yet, no one seems to know who was one mistake ornament yet, which is I think no spoilers. Think. We'll we'll blame it on the the state of rustling and Govan such birth I. think that's cool too that no one has seen a spoiler or anything. Now This whole. Already been taped I. Mean have they given you a future date for the next set of tapings? We got like ten seconds which yes or no? I think we're taping next month I. think okay. We'll stand by backing him up with more everybody observer live. Most of us like to be out in the Sun. That's why sunscreen and other safety measures are key to protect your skin from aging and cancer. The FDA recommends using sunscreen with a sun protection factor or SPF fifteen or higher. 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Says candidates willingness to rely on small donors has made a huge difference. The study found with eighty five percent of candidates for the General Assembly committing to it in twenty, eighteen ninety. Nine percent of funds that year it came from individuals you can prove you get more policies that favour large loss to the American public. After the small donor programs get going as compared to the past where specific laws were going over and over again towards special interests and the report found public funding of elections encourages more people of various socio economic backgrounds to run for office as campaigns become more and more expensive. I'm really lucky federal judge in eastern Washington State. So president trump and postmaster louis joy are quote involved in politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the postal? Service. 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He says, plan is reaching out using new technologies and hearing a lot of frustration that people hope to resolve at the ballot box. What we're hearing is people are frustrated. People are anxious. People are hurt and people are resolute to do something about the. Chaos that they find our country and our communities in nearly twenty percent of eligible voters in. Nevada. Are Latino, which is the six largest Hispanic eligible voter share nationally according to the Pew Research Center data from the US census. Bureau shows a one Latino in the US turns eighteen every thirty seconds and becomes eligible to vote for public news service. I'm Roz Brown this is PMS. Cleveland and Cincinnati. Well, they may not share the same opinions on football or chilly, but they do have one thing in common. It's nothing to brag about their both among the poorest cities in the United States new census data released Thursday reveals Ohio is the only state to have two large cities ranked among the top ten most impoverished Emily Campbell with the Center for Community Solutions Says, Cincinnati ranked six in Cleveland takes the number one. Spot for a number of years really ever since we've been looking at this data Detroit was always the worst and Cleveland was number two. What it looks like is it in two thousand, nineteen things got better across the country including in Cleveland. But Cleveland did not improve as quickly as other places. Cleveland's poverty rate actually improved slightly from thirty three point one percent in two thousand, eighteen to thirty point eight percent in two, thousand, nine, hundred. Campbell believes in increasing share of older adults living in poverty drove the rankings change in Cleveland, Mary Sherman reporting. And newly released figures show that Minnesota's overall childhood poverty rate declined last year but the Census Bureau report indicates longstanding issues remain and they will likely worsen due to the pandemic. The report says Minnesota's childhood poverty rate continued a downward trend falling to just above eleven percent. However forty-three percent of those kids live in extreme poverty Bharti while he of the Children's defense. Fund Minnesota says that's too many and the percentages are higher and families of color and indigenous families. We can see that there was already disparity going into our our economic crisis and that just means it is likely to be far worse right now children of Color and American Indian. Children make up thirty. One percent of the child population Minnesota, but they make up sixty four percent of the kids living in poverty I'm might Mohan finally are Diane, but are tells us as wildfires rage across the West new from the Montana. Climate Solutions Council calls for a complete reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the state by the year twenty fifty to reach this goal, the council recommends beefing up low emission car standards. And shifting away from coal economy according to Amy Cylinder, G- With Climate Smart Missoula who served on the council. She says Montana also needs to take action quickly to ease the state's hotter temperatures and wildfires spurred on by a warming climate. What does plan offers an opportunity for all of us to dig in and get involved in climate solutions for it to be effective? We need leadership we need funding. And we'll need policies you know not acting on climate change is going to cost us a whole heck of a lot more than actually addressing it representatives of Montana's Chamber of Commerce and oil an electric companies have voiced opposition to the plans major goals. 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This is classic Radio Theatre WanNa get away from it all the FBI in peace and war McGee. The unexpected the unexpected, the unexpected. Now, here's your host. Talks. In grand. Isle we head back seventy five years ago for an episode of Inner Sanctum mysteries from September. Eighteenth. Nineteen forty, five terror finite. And we thank you for joining us on. This Friday. This is the Eighteenth Day of September. It's the two hundred, sixty second day of the year one, hundred and four days remaining to we get to the end of this mess congress passed the fugitive slave back in eighteen fifty which required the return of escaped slaves to their owners. The first edition of The New York Daily Times which later. Became The New York Times published in eighteen fifty one in one, thousand, nine, hundred ninety seven the Columbia Broadcasting System founded by William S Paley in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven the National Security Act which unified the army navy and Air Force was passed and in one, thousand nine, hundred, ninety, one secretary general of the United Nations Dog Hummer school was killed in a plane crash in northern Rhodesia. Zambia in keeping with the spirit which typified the dedicated efforts of Mr Hamas showed. The secretariat is carrying on with a full sense it's duty. May I add? That I'm sure that. Feeling of all. My colleagues. And all our fellow workers. In this, house. And wherever the Knicks United Nations is at work in the cause of peace. To say that this. Is a tragic loss. It is tragic and ironical. That his death came. During a mission he was undertaking. In order to bring a ceasefire in Catania. I am hopeful that the members of the United Nations. Recognizing, his. Untiring labours. Will attempt in the coming sessions and in the years to come. To try to build the United Nations. into. The effective instrument, for peace. which was DAG hammarskjold great ambition. I expressed my sympathy. To his country. The government of Sweden. And I, hope that all of us. Will be the heavy. Is Passing Nieces upon US Brazilian undersecretary for public information h Rivera's desire followed by President Kennedy Hummer School was fifty six and the questions about that crash remain to This Day newspaper Heiress Patricia hearst captured by the FBI on this date in nineteen seventy five in San Francisco nineteen months after being kidnapped by the Seabees Liberation Army and the first mailing of anthrax letters from Trenton New Jersey in the two thousand one anthrax attacks passing away on this date in History Jimi Hendrix, the great guitarist. Born on this date in history any Anderson. Ladies and Gentlemen the Columbia. Broadcasting. System invites you to sit back. Relax and listen to Eddie Anderson in the private life of Rochester Van Jones. Rochester you look sad. What's the trouble? I've got a problem it looks like I'm GonNa lose my girl susie she's been having days with another. He's making pretty good. Double Time on Saturday Sundays and holidays. Case. You're wondering why you never heard of the private life of Rochester van. Jones the show was never picked up, but we all know Rochester Best of all Eddie Anderson as Rochester. Working with Jack Benny. Eddie Anderson born on this date in history also Swedish actress. Greta Garbo Actor Jack Ward Fred Willard James Gandolfini. Engine for A. Where are you from? I mean what manner unnecessary opener I've chosen out of ten thousand girls on our planet. Jupiter. Look the contest was called Miss Universe. Right. So how can they wouldn't let me in? You got a point there. That's my antenna. Look. Miss Jupiter. How did you get here? Them, what do you think? Yes, I see it there. Why don't you climb all the way out of it? I have climbed out of that. I parked outside just but those wheels what about those wheels those wheels as you. So in delicately put, it happens to be my best feature. Some don't that's fairly antennas at the girls got to suction cups. I got shapely wheels on. June foray the female Mel Blanc. Although Animator. Chuck. Jones referred to call it the other way around saying Mel. Blanc was the Mayo June. Faure. She did so many think she was rocky the Flying Squirrel. Nell Fenwick in the Dudley do right Lucifer from Disney Cinderella. Cindy Lou who jokey smirk. Granny from the Warner Brothers cartoons. A. Lot of those things and. She lived all the way to twenty nine team. That's what was amazing. She died less than two months before one hundredth birthday at the age of ninety nine June foray born on this date back in nineteen seventeen. Happy Number Eighty seven both Robert Blake Baretta fame and Jimmy Rogers. She had kisses sweeter than the one. Jimmy Rogers eighty-seven Today Frankie Avalon O. V. A. Beauty school dropout he frankie avalon. The senior for Kansas Carry Live grins seventy one today. Dr Ben Carson Turns Sixty Nine from twenty one jump street. Holly Robinson Peete is fifty six. From Saturday night live another Kansas boy Jason Sue, Dyke's forty five years of age from new edition and Bell Biv devoe Ricky Bell fifty three from talk soup and whose line is it anyway Aisha Tyler fifty years of age Mrs Will Smith. Jada Pinkett Smith is forty nine. He was cyclops in the X. Men Movies James Marsden forty-seven and Kevin Jones's Wipe Danielle turns thirty four today though some of the people who celebrate the eighteen th day of September third birthday and if this happens to be your birthday. Her. A. The. Inner Sanctum mysteries is it was broadcast on September, Eighteenth Nineteen forty-five terror by night that'll be coming up next here on Classic Radio Theatre. 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Welcome to the shadowy borderland, the squeaking door or you'll hardy adventurers. into the land of the GRIZZLY GHASTLY GRUESOME HORRID Monsters. I mean anthem. All offend here but. If by any chance a stranger among US perhaps I should stay the purpose for which we are here resemble. Object is to make your spine. When through you'll discover that has seen it is. Indeed. Top escaping folks. So tune us off their radios man just on his scared him into the choose so they'll have to drink lipton tea. That isn't necessary at all for a great many years. People have been enjoying Lipton tea without any persuasion from you. That famous Lipton Flavor has won the praise of tea experts all over the world. And you know folks, these experts described the Lipton flavor by saying that it's brisk B. R.. I S. K.. Brisk means that Lipton tea always tastes fresh and and full-body. Tangy and vigorous never flatter wishy washy. That's why I always say you don't know how good can beat and you know how good Lipton's is and our friend let go from. T. to terror. Yes, the title of tonight story is terror. By night it's an original radio play by multiple men. Have you been alone with. Along the night and His Hands Shepherd and the role of Linda Dixon. What happened to her? It was a foul Nice. Little nervous that drove North into the mountains. Was the first day of my vacation. I started from the city early enough to arrived for nightfall but my car was six years old developed motor trouble. So now I was driving show the night with fifty miles more to go. I was tired and nervous Niro -tated. Only. Come. And then I remember the state prison in the Senate. Stole. Over and turned on. The Only. I repeat Morris on the on the hookup hotly was from the depth Salads President Nine, fifteen pm. His talent dark-haired regular teaches noticing wishing marks. Hardly confirmed killer. Believe me. Partly I Kale. Kelvin. He'd. Given that he was killed. Anywhere. On the roads pulling. Has Been established at high was helped to escape the outside by a Sweetheart Helen hearn a red headed woman justice vicious high Bam out. And assault that hot the woman may have separated after the escape. Wear dot haired man and the red haired one. My hand was shaking little as I turn off the radio. I looked in the car mirror. League. I still have red hair. John something happened. Now driving into. The night was black. NFL small. Lonely. In kind. Then I saw in the mirror, the headline sweeping behind me a car. Come Out of knowing. Alongside? Cutting. Behind the wheel and watch the door that all car open. Managed. Breathed a sigh of relief was state trooper. Omission. We're stopping all cars where he had before I'm going up to seven lakes hotel that no costume usually I started out late from the city hot I'm having motor truck. Drivers license fees. Oh. My driver's license court here. I've. Got Somewhere in my crews. Seem to be offering. Escaped prisoner. hotly. Oh well, Hey, I heard the prison siren. Then came over the radio. About Hockey redhead girlfriend. Got Right here to. You don't think I'm that woman. Relationship Here So many. Here I got. My. Time does he let the city? About five o'clock long time to get this for I'll tell you I had motor trouble. Did. Okay Here's relations you can go ahead. Motor dribble. Same thing mechanics. You want to get fixed I j. she gets more. Power. Stations Account. That's open all night about two miles up the road older stuff they're. mckennie. Tell Him Jones potential. Power. Outages. You'll be careful. Don't stop to give anyone man or woman. In your. Own. In on me again but. I can feel quite so nervous knowing the trooper was somewhere behind me on the road. And Bill Slater Service station ahead. Feel Math I saw the light service station I swung into the open space in front of the calm. I stopped. Remembering. Storms moving. There was another car who pay At the pump. There wasn't anybody in it. and. I didn't see any tendon around either I press fun. Muncie. Came out of the Still no response. Credit. Thomas Shivering. Curious feeling the. Someone was watching me. I gotTa Get away, from your Gut. I hope we are. Listening. Listening. For the sound of footsteps stealing up behind the car. There were women. And I could not longer had to get out of the car. was in that. Office. I opened the door of the car and. Down Gravel. Anybody in that. Answer. I reached my system. Stepped in. Floor. At my feet. The buddy of men. Mechanics jumper was stained with blood. And his throat was cut from. European. Long. Lasting their own never know. I was petrified. Unable to move. Unable to. Take my eyes on the. Buddy. Buddies. Coming. Must Be. He must have been hiding somewhere. I've got to get away. My car what. kind of COPAN jump into. That? If I could reach that coupet before he comes down. Anything I can do for you. Yes it is my car. It. Won't start. I thought someone here. My help me. Sorry it doesn't seem to be anybody around. Michael pay over there. Stop for Gas and no one came out. So I went in and looked around. Did did. It, did you find anyone? Isn't a living soul learn. You. KINDA tired. Right my name is Taylor. John. I'M A. Addiction? Addiction. Glad to know, Ya. Traveling tonight. I'M GOING TO CAUSE A. Hotel they they. They're expecting me, what do you know about that? Cost is the time heading to. Coincidence. I'm sure it in your car won't run. Put. Your baggage in my car and I'll give you a lift costas. You're in the morning I'll have your switch. No I I would rather not. Oh switched. Get in here. He took my. Stone. Hiding. Snuck. Around Away into the night. Leaving behind us the dead man. Station. A. Said, it looks pretty Linda Dixon gotten as doing awful and. And believe me she's shaking like Jelly. That again, and just think there's supposed to be heard vacation why married she's in the country now is. In fact, it looks to me like she's going back to the saw. Her. Yeah what a sense of humor inner sanctum mysteries from seventy five years ago today September Eighteenth Nineteen forty five I'm Wyatt Cocks you're listening to classic Radio Theater The news from seventy five years ago today comes up next. At T. Mobile, you can get too powerful iphone eleven pros on us. The three cameras are perfect for capture my diy projects repainting our car. Wow. The ultra-wide camera really captures all the flames switch today can get two new lines for ninety bucks plus two. IPHOTO ever pros on us with qualifying trade. Customers plus expertise essential spine with auto pay phone be at twenty credits. You cancel before twenty four credits remaining balance of nine, nine, ninety, nine, each to May do contests qualifying putting finance. 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The Tomb Untold Americans, in effect yesterday have to put up with some food rationing for months that in order to help the hungry abroad, the duration of food controls will depend largely, he said upon arrangements for financing foreign food shipments. Of rationing on some items now freedom distribution controls is not an impossibility he said in a statement on needs of war torn countries Truman, recall the pledge he made after his return from the Potsdam Conference to the effect that this country would provide boot number supplies the designated areas to the limit of our strength that pledge made not only to our allies, but the American people must be kept. Problems a piece payment to the jobless and getting the boys back from war. We're fighting subjects for Congress yesterday they shaped up like this first unemployment pay President Truman says, he still wants original twenty, five, dollar twenty-six we planned supporters have their doubts he'll get it. It was rejected in committee. The Senate will battle the subject out on the floor starting today demobilization. The house heatedly-debated a speedup planning thome it's a bill to induce servicemen to re enlist the purposes. Many others go immediately. It ran into amendments to fourth release him servicemen they were defeated. A final vote may become new today other developments on Capitol Hill include taxes the payroll tax the social security automatically rises to two and a half percent. January first now it's one percent Congress can stop it. It's done it every year but a number of social security bills are pending. Now Chairman George of the Senate Finance Committee says the time has come to set a policy on the tax the showdown will become later. In Pearl. Harbor Congressional Investigating Committee made on organize until later this week, it will try to give the lowdown on why our fleet got blasted December seven, thousand, nine, hundred, forty one and the Elliott Roosevelt loan stubby. The House Ways and Means Committee probably will be through in two days. Secretary of Labor Lewis be swollen buck plan last night to move in a meeting on the troubled Detroit Labor situation armed with most of the power he had asked for dealing with such spews. The secretary disclosed that President Truman announced a reorganization of the Labor Department today in an effort to strengthen it. General George C. Marshall Army Chief of staff will address both Houses of Congress tomorrow on demobilisation currently the hottest postwar problem finding the legislators House Democratic leader John. W McCormack Massachusetts told his colleagues after days debate on legislation to build up the peacetime army that Marshall would speak to them in the library. Of Congress. General MacArthur foreseeing early incomplete demobilization of his triumphant Pacific. Army, of draftees declared yesterday that two hundred thousand regular troops probably could rule Japan the State Department of Washington surprised by the statement plan to investigate it. It was spared. The impression would spread abroad that the US was planning to withdraw an early date leaving Japanese large largely in charge of their own affairs. Saudi expected it to continue for quite some time. The National Association opposing Serie Manufacturers said that even with predicted production of three and a half million dozen pairs by Christmas was the one pair per woman would be available by that time. And some of the top news stories is reported in the newspapers of Tuesday September eighteenth one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, five on your radio inner sanctum mysteries, which continues now on Classic Radio Theatre. Well, now let's go back and see how pretty Linda Dixon is making. All alone in the car with a strange man. She shouldn't be scared of him. He's at the felony the from and Broke a few minutes after we left that to this day. We drove. Terrain. tiffin temps said the mantle called himself John Taylor. Both hands on the wheel. Through the windshield. Is focused on his right hand. Stain small strong. and. Read. I couldn't take my. What are you looking? Oh. Tom. Think I'll turn on the radio. Did you know there's been a jail. CARE. As He's a killer lands nine. I loved the demand side the. Is a clever and dangerous woman five on train red hair. I Taylor looking at out of the corner. Looking at. Your hair. Lightning. And looking out of the rain. swept. Window Signed. The lightning illuminated the side and my heart skipped a beat it what I saw. That sign we just passed. It said Hawks and We're going Louis. Wrong way we should be on the cost Israel. Funny must've taken the wrong term. But I'm. Sure. Whatever you say. Turn right around go. Back. Isa. Now good. Bunch. Looks like we're stuck here for the night. You. Look scared Oh. I think I'd better get out and block perhaps a nearby. With her. mind the weather really don't do can't walk in this dawn. I'M GONNA try. Staying right here like the car out of the ditch. Ammonia, walking in this storm. SLASHED LINE Got Some tools, and the trunk compartment is they. Often chunk of the ball. I listen to the songs. I I didn't have any to. I had to find out what he was doing. SMELLY. cavs, I got my door open. Not Moving. In front of the open trump compartment. WHO WOULD Suckled on. Up in. boggled tool. Woman's body. Is Not the flesh. Nothing I call it. And I must have. In the conclusion of inner sanctum mysteries terror by night from seventy, five years ago. September eighteenth nineteen, forty five will be next on Classic Radio Theatre balance of nature's fruits and vegetables in a capsule changing the world one life at a time. 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Episode, of Scape, from seventy, two years ago, September nineteenth nineteen, forty eight will be coming up on our Saturday edition of Classic. Radio. Theater. The HD wall story about the man who could work miracles Ben Right Stars, and it'll be the last show of that summer season that'll be coming up on our Saturday edition hear classic. Radio Theater. But right now let's get to the Friday edition, which is inner sanctum mystery seventy, five years ago. Today September. Eighteenth. Nineteen forty-five terror by night. Came to. I found myself seated inside the car again, my face inhale with. My clothes. Hooking. John was driving. His face. Head through the night. Stock and Blake. Stomach. Nice Choir. Awake and I I don't. Is it because of what's in the trunk compartment? She's her total to get out of the car. What are you GONNA do? What do you think? He's sorry sister. Got To take your medicine. They're not make any trouble and try to make it as easy for you. I can. WanNa person loses all hope. subconsciously he seeks. Refuge in sleep. Must have happened to me. I must have those or grab. But I work with the staff at the sun breaks. I head up straight. And so that we stopped in front of a small fieldstone. House. Why are we stopping here I'm, Outta. Gas. Sign on the door. Bright Hannity. Doctors House. Began to feel a spark of hope. That might be. Do the talking is that clear? Yeah. Where's the bell? Stay awake is a light in the potter. Do Good. Evening Bryce. Can help you. I'm terribly sorry to disturb your doctor but my sister and I were heading for Costa's and we seem to have got lost and. He was passing self, his brothers and sisters. Now, I knew why he hadn't cut my throat as you had that service station and he was carrying protect. His. Passport. I. I'm afraid I can't much help to you. I'm seven miles from the nearest town. And I haven't any spare. Gasman. Commitment you why Yes. Thank you. We will. I wonder if I could lines, Patel. Doll, I have two rooms hunting. US Really Had hoped from chance to talk to Dr. Brides alone just a word to want him. Taylor never left us alone. In. Coming into my room. To make sure he opened. Up the doctor, buddy on went out with him. This. Week Dreams. I was alone. The presence of John. I. Had another lease on life. My heart pounding. Give them the chance to retire. then. I. subbed off my shoes. and. In my stocking feet, I still across the bone. An inch. Door Open. I stepped out into the cord. And turn right toward the doctor's room. Weren't thinking of going anywhere where you. I. Wanted A. Drink of. Water Case. You didn't know it. There's a water pitcher on your Chris. Oh I didn't see. Good night system. Tend to run and went back into my room. Tend to the BRYCE. Taylor would probably transpose. I turned out the light of my room. I knew he was watching. And I lay down on the bed. How long do I don't know? Perhaps. Not. that. My door began to. Orange. Blood Children My. Came Open. I liked fascinating. Unable to mow. Lately I saw the. was. Lying, the hand. And the knife health. I. Wanted to scream but I Slowly. Toward the mid. Now he's been the. Raises the night. Around the bit, just the night slash down. off the bed car. To. The corner. came. Around the bit after me. Express. Off. And then. And it was over. But who? WHO had, one. In the dog I strain my eyes he. Was a vague shape on the floor. and. Another. Weaving run the room who. which when? Doctor. Allen. Dr Bryce. Tie. John Taylor. Taylor. The. Lights. On the floor lay Dr Bryce unconscious. With a long Gash. I. Hit. My I turned. I saw the knife still ripped in his right hand. Hardly. Fleet hardly. Killer. WHO Came in here with a nice writer. Now Real DR prices. Down there. That Fellow poses Bryce when we came to the House and. Then you'll you're not hot. That rich all the time you thought I, was fleet Huntley and. I thought you were held. Kind of red hair. The bite look nobody head woman that her Fellow must've killer back service station stuffed her body in my trunk compartment. When I was inside. Happened last. Time I think I'll forget that night of Hor. But it won't be. Sometimes. I see that the year with the. mitral. And I wake up screaming. Then takes me in his arms. Josemi type. Tells me that everything's alright. You see I'm Mrs John Taylor. Own. Do. Well as. A. Happy Ending. As Mr Hutley pleasant killa he got what he deserved. Some people never know when they will. You should've stayed in jail where they never raise your rent when they make no charge for meals of. Electric Current. Is when you're in jail, everything is free except you. First happy. Ending we've had in a long time and I must say I enjoyed. Those leverage and have gotten married it's bad for businessman He. Wakes up screaming my night man she reaches for her husband instead of a hot cup of Lipton tea. Well, I'm glad she has a husband comforting. Plenty of other occasions, Mr Hose when Lipton's tease welcome and I don't mean just a mealtimes either Lipton's grand between meals, and of course, it's the perfect beverage to serve in friends neighbors drop into visit you. I guess that's why more people. than any. Other brand. Of, cautioned to all to take, did they say that if you give criminal enough rope, he'll hang himself. But if you'll give some criminals and other road that he might. By the way. Thank, misery novel is puzzled. By Patrick Clinton. The next week's in a sanctum story directed by Brown and brought to you by Lipton Tea Lipton Soup. Next week story about a lonely man who falls in love with a mannequin in a store window. G fellow Lonzo Real. We try to make money. And what do you know? He finds he has to kill. It's time to close the squeaking does. Three. September Eighteenth Nineteen, forty five seventy, five years ago inner sanctum mysteries here on classic, radio. 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Service during newscasts, for September. Eighteenth twenty. Twenty. Clifford. We start out in the state of Connecticut setting the standard. Now, for publicly funded elections that are fueled by small donors that's according to a new report from common cause the states, voluntary citizens, election program bars, participating candidates from accepting donations from pacs and other big money groups and limits the amount they can accept from lobbyists to one hundred dollars Beth rotman with common causes money in politics and ethics. Program says candidates willingness to rely on small donors has made a huge difference the study found with eighty five percent of candidates for the General Assembly committing to it in two thousand, eighteen, ninety, nine percent of funds that year it came from individuals. You can prove that you get more policies that favour large loss of the American public after the small donor programs get going as compared to the past where. Specific laws were going over again towards special interests and the report found public funding of elections encourages more people various socio economic backgrounds to run for office as campaigns become more and more expensive. I'm really bulky frontal judge Eastern. Washington. State. So president trump postmaster, Louis joy are quote involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the postal service that from CNN they report the judge will issue A. Nationwide order blocking some recent changes of slowdown mail and could threaten mail in voting CNN an acid a coalition of democratic state attorneys general sued the Postal Service last month claiming that to joy broke the law when he implemented policy changes that disrupted mail delivery, the postal service rejects these claims to joy says, he isn't trying to sabotage the election mobilizing young voters a challenge even without a pandemic but A. Grassroots Group is taking advantage of changing technology to reach them especially Latinos voting for the first time. Volkersen with the progressive, alliance of Nevada says, since the plan group launched in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four Nevada's demographics have changed dramatically in those twenty-six six years. The percentage of Nevadans of color has grown from twenty one percent to fifty, two percent and many will be voting for the first time. He says plan is reaching out using new technologies and hearing a lot of frustration that people hope to resolve at the ballot box. What we're hearing is people. Are. Frustrated people are anxious people hurt and people are resolute to do something about the chaos that they find our country and our community in nearly twenty percent of eligible voters in Nevada are Latino which is the six largest Hispanic eligible voter share nationally according to the Pew Research Center data from the US census. Bureau shows a one Latino in the US turns eighteen every thirty seconds and becomes eligible to vote for public news service I'm Russ Brown. This is ems Cleveland and Cincinnati well, they may not share the same opinions on football or chilly, but they do have one thing in common. It's nothing to brag about their both among the poorest cities in the United, States new census data released Thursday reveals Ohio is the only state to have two large cities ranked among the top ten most impoverished Emily Campbell with the Center for community. SOLUTIONS SAYS CINCINNATI RANKED SIX IN CLEVELAND, takes the number one spot for a number of years really ever since. We've been looking at this data. Detroit was always the worst and Cleveland was number two. But what it looks like is going twenty nineteen things got better across the country including in Cleveland. But Cleveland. Did Not improve as quickly as other places. Cleveland's poverty rate actually improved slightly from thirty three point one percent in two thousand, eighteen to thirty point eight percents in two thousand, Nineteen Campbell believes an increasing share of older adults living in poverty drove the rankings change in Cleveland Mary Sherman reporting. And newly released figures show that Minnesota's overall childhood poverty rate declined last year but the Census Bureau report indicates longstanding issues remain and they will likely worsen due to the pandemic. The report says, Minnesota's childhood poverty rate continue to downward trend volunteer just above eleven percent. However forty, three percent of those kids live in extreme poverty bardy Wahi of the Children's Defense Fund Minnesota says, that's too many and the percentages are higher and families of color rant indigenous families. We can see that there was already disparity going into our economic crisis and that just means it is likely to be far worse right now children of Color and American Indian children make up thirty. One percent of the child population in Minnesota, but they make up sixty four percent of the kids living in poverty I'm Mike Mohan finally are Diane are tells us as wildfires rage across the West. New report from the Montana Climate Solutions Council calls for a complete reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the state by the year twenty fifty. To reach this goal, the council recommends beefing up low emission. Car Standards and shifting away from coal economy according to amy cylinder with Climate Smart Missoula who served on the council. She says, Montana needs to take action quickly to ease the state's hotter temperatures and wildfires spurred on by a warm climate. What does plan offers an opportunity for all of us to dig in and get involved in climate solutions for it to be effective? 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I am just standing on the corner of forty fourth watching the spring weather takeover and trying to get a few gulps of fresh air in between launch portions of sexy exhaust. Had a wonderful one and I'm thinking how wonderful it is when I feel a tap on my show. Look. Around and see a young guys face grinning at be. The face opens and says, well, now my old pal Broadway. Well, well and how? Great you are changed a bit since I saw your who years ago. Justifies, what brings you the New York from Cleveland Ohio Oh the big false face and for me. No rough stem just sort of a business conference. When the big false face calls a business conference, it is very likely to give up now everything's peaceful. Boy. What weather I like spring has it's points mainly it brings on knows God. I. Hate broadly, take a look at his Dow Addis. She's very restful. Yeah you know her. See. Yo. You know. ME. I know she looks at you. Yeah. Boy. I never saw died like the floor. You know. Wish I knew. Yeah. I should to Well I cannot help agreement the hummingbird because the dollar passes is very pleasant to behold. Also she looks at him and he looks at her. And it's just the same as if they hold through our conversation. But they are both young and is spring. and. The way language can pass between young is young ballots without them. Seeing the word is practically uncanny. Well the hummingbird gets his wish. He meets. At now, back to the Damon Runyon Theater the famous story the. Daughter. Say The hummingbird gazes after the dot she looks back at him and there the almost the high voltage line between. Then, something happens. She. saw. What Hey, she's not looking. She was going crossing against the lights at truck. Hey, Miss Broadway. I miss. Doing crossing the cow pasture hurts your right. That cupid. Driving a truck Mac. Trouble Nine at all but I got some extra you want any. I wasn't looking I crossed against the line you're better move on. I said, you'll better move on. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You gotta get out of the street come on. Oh yes. Thanks. Just, just little shake that is a narrow escape you I should tattoo that truck drivers noggin a little. No, it wasn't his bladder. I Like I've gotta learn how to cross streets in New York Your new here. Yes. Oh. I didn't thank you for. Pointing the out of the way. You could have been hurt. Forget it. I. I I guess I'll be going sure I've. Got Some shopping too. Yeah. I guess so. I guess I'll be going. I. Guess She has to go bird. Yeah. Well. Goodbye and. Thank you again. I. Sure. Dome. Mention it. So long. Her name is Sufi guts and she lives in flat. You say something I say her name is. And she lives in connected. Why like I say her name is Salami Schultz. She lives in the Poli- macro. I don't even know a name now that is very strange. You practically saved her life and you do not find out her knee what a dope what I sap. Well, she was walking very slowly I do not think she's in much of a hurry to get some sure come on I will wait here. We'll get gold for a guy who is hurrying after you get a great imitation of grants through. Let it go. Now I see everything Roman bird has not changed now that kind. Yeah. Why do you say that? Like her ain't from me, she does not seem to think. So Nah, she don't know me from. News. You get it. We've got a good look at I am fairly busy taken in detail. Why so? That wouldn't give a guy like me at tumble of she knew who I was. You know it. Does she keel over in a dead faint if she found out I was. I was the hummingbird. You've got another name for. Got It long ago. I've seen. A Hammond. Let's from Donald Haddow. All the same kind of does. Not like her I get your point but. Things can chain me. What am I standing here for I gotta find the big false face and see what he wants with me. Besides he promised introduced me to a real classy Dow. So sure Dolly calls the BRAKEMAN's daughter. BRAKEMAN's daughter Yeah. You said that like you know won't know I never meet. that. Funny. Look on your face. I have well I. May. Be I. Think of something. Funny. Okay. Come along with. See the big false face me. Look Common. But if I know the kind of a meeting, this will be and I think I do I will stay away. They ain't. GonNa be no trouble. Maybe. We'll have some laughs. Maybe. We'll have some laughs. He does not know that the big false face has a sense of humor and one of the faces biggest jokes, the brakeman daughter. Anyway I go along with the hummingbird and we get to the place where big false faces having this little meat. Is call false face because he always wears a cast royal smile that looks like it is painting. This smile is strictly a because he is often smiling when he is not amused at anything. Well like I say, we get to the place the hummingbird goes in a room. I sit outside with a guy by the name of Crowbar. Connolly. One of the faces boys and the scene is as false come you come along Broadway me well crowbar there's a long time since I see the Hummingbird dip into the gag did you Know. Good thing. False, faced on link his gig spoiled does he ever get tired of the BRAKEMAN's daughter rip the why should he? It's a good gag. Remember the time Rocco Scotty got. So Do I. It was in the dead of winter. Rago didn't find his way out of the woods. Froze to death. Yeah, I remember. It. Wasn't false faces fault no. Of course he has nothing to do with it. He just likes his fund. That's a very lighthearted guy. Can become the hummingbird is GonNa be good. Kids a lady killer. You know what false face tells him. He tells inverted to break one store season. Last time he's in town can't wait to meet him. That good with the screaming money and it will be especially funny when the Hamburg finds out, there is no such character as the BRAKEMAN's daughter. Ain't going to find out he's tipped. As I told you before the false face, don't like his gags. Believe me Crowbar as much as I like the hummingbird. I like to live also. Smart Broadway. I am. Alive. Boys are in there a long time Maybe, they're falls faces having trouble with cheeks, sheiks, cheek Iraqi. Yeah. Why Oh? There is a bad boy here. The false face got him to rights. If you don't want to go along with the merger. A. Now So we got it all settled cheeks. Guess I got up boy we finish your show. We all team make a better deal for everybody. Well, hello Broadway hello phosphate kind of surprised to see you here. So am I I, brought him along face see. Maybe, told him while he was gone tonight Hummingbird told. The brakeman daughter as a classy And she broadway. Oh sure shoes. Yeah. I got run along sure cheeks cereal and wait a minute cheeks. Satisfied with the deal and she cheeks. It's a good deal why I was just asking. It seemed Kinda saw in the other room. So you phase maybe why should I be so? Maybe because you ain't going to like me is tap man. That no argument. the away cheeks it's a you play ball my way. And you'll play ball a lot longer. Good I get it. where? You'll later. Cheeks. Ain't real happy better. Watch him face. Well, what's everybody looking? So down about I guess, I have got a goal stick around got an appointment later you want me anymore. No, I'm unburden. Oh. Boy. Oh You lucky guy any crowbar There's a million guys who give their right arm to meet the break, his daughter and boom. She sees you talking to me the last time you're in town and right off she falls like that. AM I. Kidding Crowbar. No. No she posed for you. All right. I'm like all dame's do. I wish I could make them tumble like it's a gift face. I guess what time you want me to meet you tonight eight right here. Sure. I'll be here. Yeah. Come on Broadway stick around Broadway have sticker on. Aid Senior for a long time. I'd like to talk to you. All right. See you later. Broadway. Sure. You don't think it's funny. Broadway You got objection look face white pull the gag a nice kid like the hummingbird. Cheek knows the gag pulled it on him two years ago. You. Ain't figuring on maybe tipping the Hummingbird I A. Roadway. I like to have my fun home in battle find out I know the guy he is not gonNa Kinda that I do not tip it. I won't take kindly if you do you don't want to spoil no fun. Do you Broadway? To see everybody. Happy. Including Myself. One cannot have everything in this world I. Guess. It's the ticket. Look hummingbirds a safe to fall for the BRAKEMAN's daughter. First off, he is a one to hit with a doll second. He knows it third. He never passes up a chance to make the acquaintance of any new. Brunswick. Hardly wait to see the look on his face. Oh, it's GonNa be good. It's gotTA. Be. Is a big joke. But. It turns out a little different than the fake false things. Now. Maybe you won't wondering what the gave us what is fiesta? I will tell you that. In a minute. 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What's eaten nothing at all hummingbird not that it all. kind of funny feeling maybe I shouldn't go with the false space tonight. What makes you feel that? I don't know. It's a funny thing. A week ago had a jump at the chance to meet up with a classy like face says, the break daughter is and. Why do they call it the we're like. You See. But does not false face. Tell you the whole story why did say something about her old man be pretty careful about the top that is. and. They live out in the island way out. That is what I hear. You know I wonder if it's worth it Maybe I just thought if I get the whole thing maybe you should. On the other hand, why should I pass up the chance to meet Dow? She says, she wants to meet me. Never since this morning when I saw that other Dow. Jumpy. We had gotten a name and address. She seems like a very nice out. But not for me I guess. Who Hello? Broadway crow. Blah. Blah. Blah time you've got going hummingbird that's only a quarter day. Yeah. She had which I would you can. I. See the brakeman daughter once. She is a hundred percent. we no doubt. It ever goes for me. Well. Yes. I'll be going. Should. Good luck kid thanks CEO at Broadway Okay Hummingbird. been a good boy. Broadway you. Face can hardly wait. He's got a new angle all cooked up for the helmet. I think he thinks of every angle he works gag one, hundred nine. Different. He planted some of the boys out there and listening when he knocks on the door, one of the boys is going to start blasting away with a rod. Brinkman Garden. His daughter. The face. Up Fancy you. Surely hummingbirds take the wind casino want to catch. Any led a very sound. And the face is going to lead the woods out there and losing the same woods where Rocco Scott potty freezes to death he. That was added. Attraction. Yeah. I wonder what the Hummingbird is going to say and do when he finds out what happens who cares it's only a gag. I'd like to see how birds face when he's walking around with them woods with nobody around for miles and miles you. Boy He's going to be real tired when he finally gets back into the. So that is the game. The hummingbird is the suck. The big false face A. Royal facing the Hummingbird get out this lonely pot of Long Island. It is very tall and the only way you can get there is in. The House is one that nobody lives Saudis. Perfect. The RIP. Then the proceedings go as follows. You've got to be real quiet now I'm unburden. loss down. Here. How come this dollars in a joint like this I told you are Oh man don't like nobody to get close enough to handwrite slice of fruitcake. Look. Maybe eight worth it. Are you kidding? I tell you this dollars, million bucks, pilot diamonds, and she thinks a fancy to you doubts of a dime a dozen not like this. Wait a second. What's a metaphor? Nothing. I? Just. WanNa be. Cancel. You should break main home. She told me on run to Albany. Yeah. But maybe come back he scared me. Erecting luggage. To play, you're headed right face. What are you beefing? Scared of an old guy I'm scared and nobody. If, yeah. We can go back to the car and drive back to new. York. Well. I. was just thinking about what? Another Dow who? I don't know. You crazy. Guess I'll look look I promised to bring it tonight. You'RE GONNA. Make me look like a wealth. Okay. Okay. Let's go. Sure. Where's the house right up ahead I don't see any lights. Sure. not this trees in the way. I look. I'm going to go onto the porch with you and I'm not gonNA draw. When you're on your own, I get it right wait at the convoy L. K.. Careful. Now, we're almost there. As the porch. Okay. Okay. Let's go. We gotta take it easy. Take a look around I have seen anybody. Factors. I. Don't believe there's anybody around for miles except the brakeman's building. All right. Let's go. I remember I'll. Knock. Lansing and I got told me one hundred times. I just WanNa be sure you know. 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Going to give you one big. Well. It's funny somebody on answer. that. What's GonNa? Break. I wore for the right come back. You what's up? Can hear. You met now wait. Look here like. A car close. Hey. The girl this morning. They're gone. You're talking about, what are you doing here I, let you. Know, you ain't scared those men came here. They hit all around the house. What men look Miss Open Up. Will you give spill at what happened? Upstairs Heard car up and stop, and then I heard the men talking. Hey, why don't you call the COP? There's no where you could've put on the lights and not. Look. Maybe we start from the beginning. Tell me what happened. I heard the car and then the men I came downstairs somebody tried this door I locked it from inside they tried the windows but had locked them. Away didn't listen to they went off the poetry around her side of the House. I had been talking who were they I don't know but. I heard one of them say something that sounded like. Chic Chic. He. Cheeks. Was it shakes that with cheek. You wait here. Where are you going leading? Okay come on buddy easy. When I saw you. Heard just enough moonlight today those men doing and. You better stop right there. Take it easy. Yeah. Got Enough slugs in them to sink a battleship. Who is he? He. Was A guy. We called big false face. It's okay baby it's okay as a worry. had. Is Do you. I'd have been with false face right alongside him. He'd have you to seems likely. Maybe you better start doing some explaining me but yeah. How come you were here I live. So you're. In today it was the only place it fine. That's what they're. No lights no form. And you're sure nobody lives in place before you come in. No. That's why I wondered how you found out who I was and how you found my address soon. How did you? Don't make a difference now. It looks like a real funny gag. A real funny one. It didn't work out the right way. Or Guy I used to know. Is. What happens cheeks Iraqi takes advantage of the opportunity to robot. Big Phosphate is perfect spot for. Will there is a big to dude agenda through a lot of work and they come up with cheeks. Naturally the home and cleared because the Dow tells what she knows. But that is not the end of the story. Like I say she. Is Tag for RAV. Big False face. Then it is a couple of days later that I am sitting in Wendy's with the hummingbird talking about the whole thing cheeks had it figured perfect. He knew the false face was going to be out there. I'd be the only witness besides a couple of faces boys who Who are rubbed out I in the thousands. Ya. Jason Oh she was in a house that looked perfect. But it wasn't. You know. Hey. What did you know about the gag? ME. I know it all along bird you'll do. And you didn't tell me only because I have no idea what is going to happen. Okay. No. What is the matter look odile coming over here? I got to get out of here here. Do just just just because I Oh Minnesota now. I'm good. Where are your man? Thank. You left those suddenly the yeah. Yeah. Didn't why? Well I I had some business to attend to. I GUESS I. Thought maybe you'd come out and see me. But you didn't. So I asked about you and someone told me I might find you here. Okay, you find me. So what? Nothing. Nothing you know it seems to me that a young missed like this need somebody the shore around the Yolk. Okay. Shower. ooh Many. I can think of no place interesting. She might like to see him I her. Okay What else did they give me Broadway on what? Are. My Chances Oh, I never thinks too short in bed talking about. Brains daughter. What? What did you say? The brakeman daughter. But I get it. You're an amazing person I. HE IS WHY? Why? Because I you found out where I live without even knowing my name then you seem to know my father. I do you're only a little wrong you see my father is one of the oldest best known conductors on the year railroad. and. 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Now, for publicly funded elections that are fueled by small donors that's according to a new report from common cause states volunteers, citizens, election program bars, participating candidates from accepting donations from PACS, other big money groups, and limits the amount they can accept from lobbyists to one hundred dollars Beth rotman with common causes, money politics, and Ethics Program says, candidates willingness to rely on small donors has made a huge difference. The study found with eighty five percent of candidates for the general. Assembly committing to it in twenty, eighteen, ninety, nine percent of funds your came from individuals you can remove that you get more policies. That favour large loss of the American public after the small donor programs get going as compared to the past where specific laws were going over and over again towards special interests and the report found public funding of elections encourages more people of various socio economic backgrounds to run for office as campaigns become more and more expensive. I'm really lucky a federal judge in eastern Washington state said, president trump and postmaster louis joy are quote involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the postal service that from CNN they report the judge will issue a nationwide order blocking some recent changes and of slowdown mail and could threaten mail in voting seen an IT A. Coalition of Democratic State Attorneys General sued the Postal Service last month claiming that the joy broke the law when he implemented policy changes that disrupted mail delivery, the postal service rejects these claims to joy says he isn't trying to sabotage election mobilizing yo voters challenge even without a pandemic but devout grassroots group is taking advantage of changing technology to reach them especially Latinos for for the first time Bob Volkersen with the Progressive Alliance Nevada says since the plan group launched in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, Nevada's demographics have changed dramatically in those twenty six years. The percentage of Nevadans of color has grown from twenty one percent to fifty, two percent and many will. Be Voting for the first time he says, plan is reaching out using new technologies and hearing a lot of frustration that people hope to resolve at the ballot box. What we're hearing is people are frustrated. People are anxious. People are hurt and people are resolute to do something about the chaos that they find our country and our community in nearly twenty percent of eligible voters in Nevada are Latino which is the six largest Hispanic eligible voter share nationally according to the Pew Research Center data from the US census. Bureau shows a one Latino in the US turns eighteen every thirty seconds and becomes eligible to vote for public news service I'm Russ Brown. This is PMS. Cleveland and Cincinnati well, they may not share the same opinions on football or chilly, but they do have one thing in common nothing to brag about their both among the poorest cities in the united. States, new census data released Thursday reveals Ohio is the only state to have two large cities ranked among the top ten most impoverished emily, Campbell with the center. For community solutions. So Cincinnati ranked six in. CLEVELAND. Takes the number one spot for a number of years really ever since we've been looking at this data. was always the worst and Cleveland, was number two. But what it looks like is an twenty nineteen things got better across the country including in Cleveland but Cleveland, did not improve as quickly as other places. Cleveland's poverty rate actually improved slightly from thirty three point one percent in two thousand, eighteen to thirty point eight percent in two, thousand and nineteen. Campbell believes an increasing share of older adults living in poverty drove the rankings change in Cleveland Mary Sherman reporting. Newly released figures show that Minnesota's overall childhood poverty rate declined last year but the Census Bureau report indicates longstanding issues remain and they will likely worsen due to the pandemic. The report says Minnesota's childhood poverty rate continue to downward trend volunteer just above eleven percent. However forty, three percent of those kids live in extreme poverty Bharti while he of the Children's Defense Fund Minnesota says, that's too many and the percentages are higher in families of color and indigenous families. We can see that there was already a disparity going into our our current economic crisis and that just means it is likely to be far worse right now children of Color and American Indian children make up one percent of the population in Minnesota but they make up sixty four percent. Of, the kids living in poverty I'm Mike Moen finally, our Diet but tells us as wildfires rage across the West a new report from the Montana Climate Solutions Council calls for a complete reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the state by the year twenty fifty to reach this goal, the council recommends beefing up low emission car standards and shifting away from coal economy according to amy cylinder with Climate Smart Missoula who served on the council. She says, Montana also needs to take action quickly to. Ease the state's hotter temperatures and wildfires spurred on by a warming climate. What does plan offers an opportunity for all of us to dig in and get involved in climate solutions for it to be effective we need leadership, we need funding and we'll need policies you know not acting on climate change is going to cost us a whole heck of a lot more than actually addressing it representatives of Montana's Chamber of Commerce an oil and electric companies have voiced opposition to the plans major goals. This is Mike Clifford and thank you for wrapping up your week with public news service where member listener supported heard on great radio stations across the nation and online at public news service DOT ORG at T. Mobile, you can get too powerful iphone eleven pros on us. The three cameras are perfect for capture DIY PROJECTS REPAY NAR car. Wow. 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No believe me that there was nothing absolutely nothing in my childhood, which which forecast a terrible events that would come know as a child. I was very generous line I got along well with everyone but. Most I like animals. Yes. All kinds of animals and then I married quite young and I was very happy to find my wife shared my feelings. Very soon, we we got quite a collection or we had birds and Goldfish, we had a dog and some rabbits, and we had a cat I'll never forget the day my wife brought it home. Hello alone. severely. Kid to little kid. Where did you get it darling? The poor little things in dogs were chasing at night just rescued it. was so frightened, but it isn't frightened anymore. It seems to love your child the nets, not strange all animals do. Nobody's going to kick. You didn't know. Milka. Dan See Oh, you must have been very hungry. What's your name and I suppose he has a name. He is so young I don't think he belongs to anybody well, then we have to give him a name to mean, we can keep him. What are you talking about? He has no, we can't do any mouthing streets. Helping you let him stay scores for the he must've name. Let's see all black. Black, you're not a single why? Why have. He's as black as the devil. Let's call him Pluto. We'll call you. grew up to be a remarkably beautiful cat and all the animals in our house. He became my favorite my playmate. Until it all changed yes and As the years went on my my character suffered the radical change and everything changed. Why? I'm ashamed. I I hate to admit it through. Through intemperance she earth wind temperament and then as. Is drink became more and more necessary to me I I became more and more moody irritable. Going I don't have to tell you where I'm going shows. What's happening? What do you mean what happened never used to go out every night those vials Lisa. Stop It. I go on because I can't stand listening to you. Nag Nag neck all day long. I. Don't know what's come over you. See. Why don't you learn from blue? It's only a cat he he doesn't ask me what I'm going. Yeah that's right. Up. As I kick. Chuck. I'm never had and. You bit me you. I'll show you don't show. Yes I I hate to admit it but I was so furious I get. Kicked him again and hard and. The next morning. I. I saw that he was torn and I was filled with remorse for that done. From then on. Utah ran away in terror. Whenever I approached and and that in turn made me more and more irritated and. and. In the end. It was she perverse. Else, yes, she learned unexplainable perverseness. They made me do what I did. I brushed her admitted. One morning. Strang branding. I killed it only because I knew. Cat Love me and and because because give me no reason for fans. Know why I'm offering excuse. I'm only recounting what happened. Welling. Evening I. I went through the AMAS one. Came home very late and. I fell fast asleep with my clothes on. And then I always awakens. Giles wake up. Only a matter must be a fire. Smoke. Could have. Lookit. House is burning. Compelling to be, clapped John. Click. On talk talk's. Pacha. Through plains. Grease. Here's the front door. We managed. Seize. Car. Anybody else there. it's just as well never could get them out now are you with the owner? Our House well, haven't got much less than we can't save. Everybody. Well, it's down. Now I mean nothing is left with that one wall in the middle. What about it look at it on the wall that is strange. What are you talking about? What strain there on the wall it's still stand up. On the plastic mark's what mark. You blind right up here on the wall at Black Tiger. It looks like. A Done it but it's Like a cat in the kid what looks like A. And it's got one floppy. We're finding. It's not funny. It is not funny at all you hear. Is. No it is. It's Pluto I. RECOGNIZE HIM I. See he's erased torn. Oh you be. Hideous. pleased. It's it's come back to haunt me. Leave me alone. I can't stand it. Okay Mortar somebody man's fantasy it. Mr Peter. Lori will bring us the climax of tonight's mystery in the air the black cat. From September eighteenth one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, seven mystery in the air on Classic Radio Theatre balance of nature's fruits and vegetables in a capsule changing the world one life at a time. I've got a seven year old and I'm forty, seven year old and he's just learning to skateboard. I was a skateboarder since nineteen eighty. He had been begging me all week to prove to him that I could do a kicks up because he really hasn't seen daddy beating active guy you know I do all that at work and when I come home and I'm exhausted this weekend, I had to hold a whole bunch of pallets to the back of the House 'cause I was using them for projects and. Stuff. 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Don't you think you'd better go on home sir, it's getting late. Call Mac. Issued see terrible place where. We're living now. Yeah. Heard you lost everything in that fire. I lost everything. I lost my house analyst anything. About that black cat is yours, you used to talk about all the time What was his name? Seasoning through and. Gone To. Miss Him I. Miss him very much. That if you miss him that much why don't you get another cat? Giving me a drink it's getting pretty late. Sir, I mean I won't your wife be expecting you. Give me a drink. As I left to fetch another bottle. Right on I get another cat. Wall. Why don't I? Know I shouldn't. There's no reason to being a deep to disappear just because a cat. I can't Maybe. Maybe I'll be able to forget. Oh. There's a cat now. Sitting on top of detail. and. That's range. I've been staring at that table for five minutes. Could swear there was no can't. Whereas your come from. A beautiful. Cats yeah you. Just as black his proton. Yeah. Except you got US plot, you're white yet. As come come sit in Milan on hand. Kitty. Nice Kid. Nice. Kid. Where did this cat come from? Oh Yeah Big One isn't he? I don't know where it came from or got in either for that matter. Never seen it around him for John Only belongs to now. As far as I'm concerned belongs to you want it. Can't keep it here. Wife doesn't like cats. especially black ones. How Stupid Yeah see I want it. Here's. How wanted very much. I'll take it home with me right now. Charles. This is such. A wonderful cat. Justin's last week. It's made itself so much at home. You think it had lived here. Always. Yes. I've noticed that. It reminds me so much pluto. Yes. But this one has a patch of white on its chin. Don't forget them. But I can't help wondering. I. Wonder what ever became a Pluto He disappeared the day of the five. No I know he disappeared and. We'll maybe he knew the house was going to burn down. See how loves you rubbing against your legs? Just the way Pluto used to. Stop talking about do I didn't mean anything I'm sorry I'm sorry. Always talk about how much this new cat resembles Pluto it. It just makes me nervous. Look actually then there's hardly any resemblance at all really in. That sipped at the both black. This one has a white patch on its. The poor thing. Charles look his ears tone. Here under the for Oh, I never noticed that before neither, di? Why it's just the way Pluto's. I'm. See to it's on it's on. Yeah. Just the way Pluto Zia was torn when I kicked him that's it. Well, he must have been in a fight or something. But his curious we did notice you. You have no idea how curious. No idea get cat out of my son, you're mad gave how can you act that way about a dumb animal? You so much. From me your. The way you talk anybody. Thank you don't even like the. Why I Hate I tell you, I eat I I. I. Short time the cat had been with us. I, I had come to look upon it with. UN. Up trouble loathing. Why? Why don't know yet more I hate to be more affectionate redacted turn me whatever I went followed whenever I sat down wit sprang from my knees and Kava. Me would reload some caresses as if this were not enough to. Wipe patch on its chest which or is. It had been very indefinite in shape graduated SUMED. Very definite outline. The unmistakably and ghastly shape of the gallows. Terribly of horror. And of day. Long destroyed bees, but I was prevented by an absolute unreasonable. Higher sued I was losing my mind. Charles. Are you going again. Going out and I can. Be Back. Before you go. Do you suppose? You. Help. Me Bring up some wood from the seller. Why do you always want more? Would the house is cold? You know I haven't been feeling well. I'm not strong enough to carry on. All right. Come on I'll help you. You. You might have thought of this before because. Beast. On my feet. It tried to trip me on stairs. No. Sure. I'll get three. Okay. Once and for all. 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Now, the conclusion of mystery in the air starring Peter Loy Black Cap as it was originally broadcast September eighteenth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, seven, I talked deliberate it in and ended occurred to me that has a middle ages they used to walk their victims. I determined to do the same thing. As behind the wall in a cellar. I managed to this large section of bricks near the chimney and in the hole behind my proper body. Carefully laid the bricks back narrow. Position and when I finished no one, no one could have told the wall had been disturbed. I could say to myself triumphant from. Here at least. My Labor has not being in vain. My next. was to look for the bees that had been a cause of so much misery but. Then, I became aware. Completely disappear. Three days past and. Instill my permit did not appear. It's impossible to describe. Imagine. Too deep sense of relief. For the first time in months. I slipped here. laughed. Even with a burden of mood on myself. Yes I'm hearing choirs who made about my wife's whereabouts and. The, house was conducted but. Nothing Christie's covered. I've finally could look at my future secure. Sorry to disturb you again sir. It's charge is anything I can do for you. Well, they're still puzzled about your wife's disappearance heartland. Well. So am I some of her friends have been around the police station with that got to do with me. You've already searched US twice. What do you want in? No Sir but will the captain sent me in the constable here around just wants more to be sure there's no clues been overlooked. This'll be the last time. Sir Only a matter of routine we by the again. All right. Kenny. Thank you sir. On, Joe Right. What would you like to look I? Might as well. Begin with the center. All right yes. Right Down East steps. I'll come with you. As I always say searching a house like getting hit in the world is start at the bottom. Yes. That's Very funny. Come on. Get to work right. While they searched I, fold my arms and watched as before where they covered nothing nothing but. As they were about to depart the glee, my heart was too strong to be restrained I burn to say but one would yes test one would. Devoid of triumph and these started up steps. I said Have you noticed. This is a very well-constructed hours you know. Gentleman you're going. Yes it's A. It's an excellently well-constructed house. You have never seen such a well constructed housing friends have my bravado upon very portion of the brick would behind which stood the course of my wife I Iraq with my chain. Deliver me. From. Being. What that. Win. Win. That's not the wind when you hit this wall here. It is. It's behind these bricks. Take this crowbar wall down. A minute you keep quiet. Wait a minute. Where are you going? Fast you stay right here. This is new plaster. It hasn't even had time to set you. Pull it down. Issue comes. Out. There's what we're looking for. All right. His wife's body. What's horrible looking thing sitting on our head Did that can get in there. I knew currently. Yes I know why? I must have wall. Tomb. I never knew it. No. Luck at the mouth. That was. Nice. You you hideous you. Monster you you academical you made me a murderer now for three days beginning there waiting waiting to send me to the gallows. Will Get me. I hope I. Hope. Five. Five. Peter. Laurie mystery in the Air September eighteenth thousand nine, hundred, forty, seven on classic Radio Theater. Okay. Some good news during a challenging time for everybody. This could really help you may know hundreds of thousands of people have already made the switch to Meta share, which is the affordable alternative to health insurance and with so many people looking at how they pay for healthcare right now, seeing premiums going up or the cost of Cobra plans medishare has extended their special offer. A lot of people have taken advantage of it simply apply September thirtieth and they will waive your. 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I tried the front door the back door on the PORCH THEY'RE ALL LA Yes now I WANNA. Have the bottle ready when the baby wakes up doesn't start howling and wake up Magin Charlie and all their children. What do you want me to do breaking a window what to do? I wish we'd never come where I said. Let's go tell all. No no could I do Charley insisted you were there you folks can stand the empty room over the garage beano tablet hall you didn't object very much notice. Well, we were in a spot until you this much. We are not going to stay here we'll go to a hotel tomorrow or today or whatever this is whereas my bathrobe looking forward you can't find anything. Business it. Living I was suitcases no place to hang up. Be Quiet here. Don't wait pets. will go to a hotel today. Now let's final see how we can without. They're hurting feelings hurt madge when she didn't know we gotta hear him. didn't sound very crazy to me about having us here. Now Charlie invited US and he was mad at madge. She wasn't margraten how he'll blame her if we leave you heard any bathroom. And the other come on. Down the stairs Patna. How can I get in the House I thought maybe you could find a basement window that was alcohol does. Nothing to do and I gonNA do that. Or as I can figure out, there's nothing to do except wait Charlie and my unlock the door. Oh, what is what which is their bedroom window? That one I think after they're. Doing quite. The throw a handful of grab up up there and Charlie. Who My Gosh Charlie Charlie I'm sorry. I didn't know your bed was right by the window washing. It's all right I got to get into the baby's bottle. I'm sorry could you come down and unlocked the back door? I'm sorry Charlie. Oh, what's the matter? Is Water this thick? They WANNA get into get the baby's bottle. Crying out loud. I'll. Down Even Charley we'll be glad to get rid. Of Us. where. Imagine sure. Dylan bed I guess in bed and Charlie going to work. I don't know I waited and waited is you know imagine vance that breakfast when she didn't I thought I'd better draw betsy at to be head what about their kids and I got things out I found the dishes and silverware breath coffee pot you know hated to prowl around her kitchen, but she hasn't shown up. So I, fixed vets his breakfast then therefore kids came down and got their all. Their breakfast every morning. That's what they said and personally I think it's terrible. You should have seen what they ate anything they wanted to apparently they did drink the orange juice I fixed one of them eight, a piece of Pie I think it was billy and chuck had a handful of uncloaked macaroni of all things said he loved. For breakfast. Bobby had a piece of toast which he put Ketchup on and Carl in a box of marshmallows. Oh no kidding I didn't think of my business honestly what kind of a mother Of those children should have balanced breakfast marshmallows and uncorked macaroni. I don't think it's funny I. Karen, probably their kids will never get sick ours. We'll get the best of attention comes. Down whatever. They. All LSU said, dear is none of our businesses this my orange juice yes. Hey, wait a minute. Here's somebody coming down. Oh. Heavens I think she's walking in a sleep. Off. I. Hope You don't mind I came right in the kitchen. This morning started breakfast. I had quite a time finding everything but I thought I'd help you a little bit so. Guy. Copy her some coffee Oh. Yes. Oh. Yes. Our sedan match up. Man, Mich.. Should write down here. Here we war. neely. They're all girl. Our. Good morning another beautiful. Day. I said good. Never Mind Oh my let it go. Oh. My cough, I'm getting mad I don't know whether you whether you know it or not majer whether I should say anything but you know what? Little Carly had for breakfast I mean, really I do not just called home. Damage now. Good Morning. Oh. That's wonderful. Marvelous. I should have warned him good all in the morning and? Man always the same way I think that's why we got married. We were afraid we might get stuck with somebody we had to talk to them on. All kinds of make a world. Both of bright eyed nine the ones we had fresh in alert ready to meet the next day. I get. Pretty much of the time. I really don't come alive until after the Second Cup. Would you like any eggs madge. Eggs did you say a? While maybe a Friday scrambled. As fleas eggs in the moaning We have them sometime. Frankly I know it's none of my business but I wondered if you knew what your children eat for breakfast manage little Carl had almost a whole box of marshmallows. I know isn't a yelling he loves marshmallows. I know for breakfast I. Don't know how he's the hands. Sweet I think, oh, I couldn't eat anything sweet like that breakfast it makes me sick but he loves them know what are you GonNa do well, I think that I. I'd like some more coffee. Morning. Everybody. Good. Mining Charity You. How do you like that I? Never GonNA. But. In the morning. Companies Sweetheart, and don't try to give them the wrong impression I. Do to speak to you in the morning lines just one sound never forget it. We'd been married three days sweet. He was drinking coffee and he looked up and saw me and said, who are you? Breakfast I said this is the worst coffee of ever taste. That's right. That's right. You did I forgot. To honestly, let me add something to say to yes. Yes, we certainly. Don't appreciate your invitation going to a hotel today. You're not moving out of here and then I looked Jolla match where you tell them that it isn't any trouble having them. I told them that last night I love having you. It's very sweet of both of you but we hope table I'm. Charlie honestly, it isn't that it's an imposition. We both say. Like our food. Imagine Marvelous Cook it makes more work for her. Oh, you know on. The side, your helping look you've made breakfast you help with the dishes. Easier having you you move out I'm going to take it personally on assume you don't like us that we're not good enough chows and don't be so we'll buy Gosh I certainly. We don't like taking advantage i. mean you refuse to let us pay anything for Food and we'd feel. All No, your door art. Feel so terrible Charlie let some something for Food I. Know How they feel I know how I feel. I wouldn't like just fun Joffe and I don't worry. I'll talk Charlie into letting you pay something for Food Cha. If think of how you he? Is. Not, only that I mean whether they just right it vantage of you come up here look you're not taking advantage in any way you got enough to pay building your house, your new house, why should you hand over a fortune and read at some hotel I now but we feel terrible. Also terrible jolly. Let them pay a little rant I. mean the I know exactly how Absolutely. Not Online at that. Yeah Ramp No, our not challenge. Let's be sensible enough. We wouldn't stay here for nothing and if you refuse to let us pay rent, then we'll just go out and buy some present for you. Maybe will be something you don't want anyhow I wouldn't it be better to give you the money. That and you don't have to go buying us any resident we will charlie I wouldn't think of doing. Okay I won't take any BERENDT but if you want to go out and pick up a little something from madge okay I little something like a dishwasher maybe a dish. Guess. He's been after me together a dishwasher. She always rubs it in when she can. It's all settled. You're staying well. I honey you better get to work. It's I walk out to the car with him and we'll talk it over Charlie. Move. Now what do you think you? Should we stay here I I think the same thing you do with the car keys, my hearing, a code pack. By Magic Dishwasher dish. Not Kidding, you realize what it would cost us to stay at a hotel for two maybe three weeks with betsy and the baby now, and that's why I think it would be silly. More than a dishwasher would. Those things run around three hundred dollars. Saddam, she figured this out I. Don't get yourself Outta get yourself a nice dishwasher. At all staying here. Dishwasher. Wholesale. madge would say she's certainly a strange person but I'm sure she was joey. You just wait and see in the long run staying here with them is going to cost us more she we pack up and go to a hotel. How can we do that job? He's got all our furniture is stored in his garage obligated dorm for that. You still got to think of the rabbits and chickens and the turtles and the dog which we can keep here with us. Well Anyhow, I gotta get to work. And I guess there's nothing to do but keep our sense of humor and look upon these coming two weeks as an experienced coming. Certainly GonNa be one the leave me. A. Couple of doors written by Lynch and Stars Lynch and Alan bunce with on Briggs and Audrey. By Walker Heart there, you have it from September eighteenth nineteen fifty. Peg Lynch and Alan bunce the couple next door I mentioned that peg Lynch was quite the writer she never thought she'd be an actress. If if you go to our website PEG LYNCH DOT COM, a loving thome still carried on by her a daughter to this day peg passed away in i. believe it was twenty seventeen but pegues daughter continues to maintain the website a tribute to her mother Peg Lynch Dot. com that's L. Y. N. C. H., Peg Lynch, dot? com. It's delightful place to visit and you'll learn something about the past of. Classic Radio Speaking of Classic Radio, visit the Webpage, and I have classic radio. Dot Stream that is classic radio. Dot. 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So it was completely different, but it was a very interesting experience at all so and I would say like two three really interesting holds with exhibitors there and You had very intense talks to the few people there and what we did specifically s a company we need not only invited. People who are at the fair, but also to John via zoom to meet us on our booth so we were able to schedule. A meeting. And meet us while you sitting at home on your couch enjoying your drink, and then you can see an experience, our technology, and we were the ones showing you around at EPA Tom and that actually worked very good. Yeah. It sounds like you actually manage to do the both virtual and in person event a very successfully tell me some about the company now what what is it that you guys specifically get involved with and then I know we have a couple of products. You WanNa show US yes exactly. So we SIRO is on the mission to support elderly people at home, which means that we want to enable them to live in their known environment. So at home while they are sitting in an armchair, for example, but we want to support them with with their health condition. So what we do is we implicit Lee monitor vital signs, and then also analyze those vital signs and give insights into the health condition and whether it drifts into a disease area. and. We have doing this with a very simple solution. You can imagine it's a seat cash. SMART seat cushion. So they're not wearing a pulse ex-senator they're not taking their temperature. They're not wearing blood pressure cup or something of that nature. It's all done with a seat cushion exactly you. That's that's the approach of the whole product that you can use it as in tooth and easy as you were using a chair for like eight years and chances are they have been using a chair for eighty years or for the point being is that this sounds like a very easy way of for anyone but especially, the elderly to be able to put the cushion down and sit on it. I mean I. Don't want to get too graphic but do they have to be naked or something in order for readings to take place or are they able to just sit on it with close I? Mean you give us an idea. How it works? So it's actually you can use it. As as you can imagine, it should be. So it's you place it on any chair armchair on your couch, and then you sit down with your regular clothes. And well compared to other solutions like wearables you don't have to charge it. You don't have to actively use it. It's really just sitting down in your normal. I have a year with me you will oh absolutely and those listening on the radio that we've got video for you at into tomorrow. Dot Com. So now. Pyramid is holding up a very simple cushion. It's a square cushioned, not not too thick. So you're not like a suddenly much taller than normal and it looks very comfortable. And you would simply sit on it and it's going to take what kinds of measurements again I mean, what what readings are you able to get from the cushion? Yes. So We are measuring heartbeat and we're measuring heart rate variability. So very important indicator for us. Trashier and we are measuring your breathing rate while you're sitting. and. There optional. We can also measure moisture. This is a very extreme case if you have problems with inconvenience, then we can also measure the moisture. And all the data is recorded in this base unit. I'm now showing also into the camera. This is like the where the magic happens electronics. This is connected and then it's connected to a cloud service. Cloud service analyzes the data. So tells you whether it's good whether it's bad and bad, and whether your health condition drifts into disease area and you can see all those informations in an application or on your desktop computer. So I'm assuming that they would need to at least have a Wi fi connection is that which your box then connects to to get to your cloud. Available of with by Fi and also with mobile data. Okay. So perhaps. If. They don't have Internet. Yeah exactly. It's. It's very usual that sometimes elderly people don't have Internet at home. Although fortunately more and more are because they realize the importance of not only staying in touch with family and friends but just the ability to get some news or be able to be antisocial whatever the case the fact is more and more are doing that. So it seems very, very simple. Is this a product available now and if so in US dollar, how much does it cost is not yet available? It's. A starting next year. In in Europe and then oh Maybe another year later in the US and yeah. So it's not yet available on the market, but it will be something around four hundred US dollar Socaille pyramid pardon the interruption but I tell you what let us pay a couple of bills real quick and come right back and talk with the CEO and Co founder of the Siro you WanNa, visit them online and get in line for when it's available for U. V. I. S. S. E. I r.. Dot Com meantime into tomorrow. Dot. COM WE COULD BE Right. Balance of nature changing the world one life at a time of the opthamologist for my eye exam I usually go yearly is what are you doing? Told them about the nature? He's well whatever you're doing. Keep it up my primary doctor. She couldn't get over how much better I was doing. She said she'd never seen anything I get I. Hope this is really taking off because. 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Well the the medical term for this is adherence and what we saw a adherence means that that you actually keep using the device as it is intended to be, and for the target group that we have is not the case that they use this. Device on a regular basis so There are basically three reasons why this? So the first reason is that it is uncomfortable. The second reason is that that makes them feel intrusive and the third most. Most Important reason is that they simply forget to use it so. Yeah You can have smartwatch charging at the at the bedside table or something, but it doesn't do any good if it just sits in the charger all the time and they don't put it on exactly and that's that's the case for most of the alarm buttons, you usually have elderly people at home, and for this case, you have studies with shows owning eight percent of the cases Ella people are using it as it is intended to be. But for your armchair. Um where you're watching television. That's something you know will not forget to use. That's true. How often should they be using this cushion? Do you do you have a recommendation that two three times a day or at least once a day for so many minutes or just to give our audience that idea if they were to be able to get one hopefully in another year but at least plan on it and we'll get you to speed that up especially for Sierra, North America. I'm sure you'll be very successful in Europe and then it'll be very logical to get it here. But how often and how long should one be sitting on this on this cushion? So. The cash gets to know the person. So there is a part of artificial intelligence inside the cash, which really the way the cushion gets to know me if I'm sitting on it more frequently. Yeah. No it. It gets to know you anyway but the. If you're sitting I would say at least an hour a day, which is easy to do for for most people and. Well, we have users already which just sitting eight to ten hours day, which is also very normal for elderly people because like okay. Well, they still walking for one hour but what should they do the rest of the day they're sitting basically and? So but you don't need to sit eight hours one hour. Ish is absolutely okay to sit on the cash. So the artificial intelligence, knows your habits knows your vital habits especially of your of your parameters and then can Tell you when they are a drifting away from a normal status Gotcha I would. I would already envisioned a pyramid version. Two of your cushion would have some springs in it to get them up. You know it's okay. You're sitting too long. You know like my smartwatch also tells me get up and move around. It's like I'm too busy but you know what? Yeah I need to do some stretches at least walk a little. That's just a normal thing we all need to do and we're stuck in front of the computer for so long stuck in the studio for three hours at the time but. Maybe. I could see also helping them by saying time to move time. Then you know where do you tell them that hopefully on their phone or something or a speaker comes out of the cushion saying get up now. WHOA. But I can see there's so much. Useful information that you can obtain and help people for quite some time. Why does the company focus on old only elderly was there a particular reason why? Is meant to just work with the elderly though this would work for anyone I'm assuming. Yes, it looks anyone well, anyone can sit on this cash obviously. But for the elderly people, we really had also personally within the company. We had so many cases where early people. Need it's the part in their in their everyday life and the really motivates us to build solution for them specifically. And it's the pain of this using the device in in your environment and that it's so easy to use something. We're really having sweet spot for the elderly people. So on behalf of all of us who are becoming more and more elderly as we head into tomorrow a, we thank you because it's it's a great mission and we hope you continue to do other. Are there other products in the works anything you can share with us that you folks are developing some but I am not going to show come on I won't tell anyone. But that's a good sign because you guys are. You know consistently working on other ways to help more people the CEO and Co founder of visceral, and by the way we'll get you to their website too when you visit us it into tomorrow dot. com. But it's V. I. S. S.. E.. R. O. Dot. com. Siro. Dot. com. 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To try to cook up some great stuff for you got stocks. Why he's here from New York New York you are listening to extra time driven by continental from my apartment in bed. Stuy I'm Andrew We've you with my partners in Soccer David Goss Charlie Davies. The. Background Noise Charlie. I can hear it. There's some there's children playing yet in your load. I hope that hits like it's like you know it's like wind chimes it just makes you feel good man. Yeah I feel great. You know it's the twins run around getting now of the getting all the energy out of them it came home from school and the ready to go. You know that energy between the two of them, Bre minds me of Alejandra Pos waylon public. Just two knuckleheads just getting together to do silly stuff. We're going to talk about what they did on Tuesday against mantra. We've also got Juliana Rahul coming in from the La Galaxy Tom bogert Tommy scoots will be here to talk mls transfer news. We're going to wrap up all these games midweek but I the PK routine that turned into an epic failure I have to start with. This is my favorite moment of the entire week. I've just like cackled for two days about this. There's so many different elements of this first of all Josie. Authorised. Reaction to them doing this and having the goal called back is just perfect. He's like, what are these guys doing? What's happening there joy once they completed the play before they realized it was going to be called back was beautiful charlie it was like your twins having some mischief together and then just getting a little bit in trouble or kind of succeeding, and then they just run together and hug and smile I love this moment and I wonder one how much time they have on their hands like these guys are just sitting around. Just coming up with bad ideas like just coming up with the worst ideas and thinking not just say this is a bad idea but we should do this en- games and I want to know how often pro players think about this stuff but don't do it. While I'll tell you right now there were so many times playing with Lee win. If I'm on two goals and we went up. And say, okay. Let me take the Pen Music Hill I take all the penalty kick. So I said Okay what about if we do? Ask me you get an assist and I score thing. He's like never several happening. I've always wanted to do this done it in training a couple of times but. It's it's hard to pull off and especially with a are, you can't you can't get into the box before they touch the ball. To. That's the thing because I I've never played soccer but I brought this up to every person I've played with and everyone shot it down. No one sees it coming. Don't need a hang story that you say that but the goal is diving and no-one no-one even runs in when the normal shot is taken right at no one defender ever charges the by. Let's talk about fouls offenders. Don't allow you to get into the box because they think you're going to get the happened up the rebound. So even if they don't know that place coming, they're trying to get to the spot before you do. What you gotTa Trojan where he's shooter who has a shot saved scores on the rebound because no one gets false false. You GotTa Trojan Horse this you gotTa go around and make sure all the Johnny try hard defenders don't know what's coming. You definitely can't go into the early and you definitely can't go over the arc that was also the mistake. Yati like like, what's he doing? Why? The are just go to the corner of the ARC in the box act like you like Tanya shoe messing around, throw them off a little bit and get this thing done. The Salad. You gotta sell it, but you also have to do it i. think it's genius. You had on instant replay. Gratuitous instant replay plug try. You had an anecdote you being the arsenal fan that you are. About. Retrying this. So that's the added wrinkle here. The added wrinkle is the irony in the whole situation. Teary and Robert Perez pulled tried to pull off against Manchester City. And Robert Perez they said they talked about the day before they did it in training came off no problems. But in the game he said he just froze like miss touched it and it was a debacle and ended up being a free-kick for Manchester City and went the other way similar to the same way it happened in Toronto of see game. But later in the game, there's a penalty. And Robert Banged banged it, and so they still got the result and so you can laugh about it after we we messed up but we got the three points right? This you lose the match. One Zero. and. You had a pen yeah. I would be steaming because it's all fun and Games if you get a result and you can say We should've pulled it off or we shouldn't have done this yet but we got three points so it doesn't really matter. That's not part of this conversation. Can I throw something in here? That's probably. Or Lime. BRAHMA matic for Canada. At this point as well in PTR playing against themselves because they do not feel challenged in only playing in Canada cycle of Gentlemen Meeting Vancouver and Montreal game. Don't do that Joe into hiding. Yes. In coober. A they are they are not good. I met being polite. This steph curry and Klay Thompson, levels of like Bro. Let's see if we're down one in the fourth quarter of we instead step. And you could probably do that against the Vancouver they're that bad. For Montreal, they have quality and. It's more of eastern conference rivalry to the line. I would say if they're up three zero and you want to do that WanNa. Disrespect Montreal. Okay. But when when you're? When you need to win these games. These games actually matter you can't do that. You can't get away with it and you shouldn't be able to pull that off amount tyrod I mean to disrespect. All the law in Vancouver Montreal. Great. City but we're not talking about the city. I. Know I'M GONNA? Say this is a positive sign. Yes. They did not get the three points and by the way that was ironic too because Rudy Camacho is the one who scored the goal for Montreal on Rudy. Camacho's the one who came out and said, hey, we didn't want to play that Thursday after the boycotts on Wednesday against Toronto and these guys did. So I thought like there was some like Bald Guy Karma aspects of this where like mantra deserve that and Toronto deserve the kind of get it. You know. To have the irony, come back and bite them but I think it will pay off in the future. We'll see how much these two dudes love each other like Puello Piazzi. This is this is like a bromance right now like to come up with that to be sitting next to each other the locker to be smiling laughing shot on the back big bear. Hug and then experiencing little suffering to together that brings a team together to eleven now, Josie might not have but he'll be okay they'll be fine all right into the show. We're going to talk to Julian. Arrojo very soon, La Galaxy outside back maybe winger US youth international the Galaxy are rolling. Got A big win in Portland three to there was some controversy there as well to go with the offside call Jeremy a bogus scored on but then was accounted We're going to talk about crm. Had One called back to like thirty seconds via. A prompted a certain somebody. rhymes midst smear small soon. Get back on twitter, which was very entertaining. Say We got good. Caleb in marriage doesn't tweet anymore. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. By the way the current I. Throw them midweek stuff with the male by we'll do all that good stuff. But look there's something bigger this month in. September. If you're watching on Youtube, you can see kick childhood cancer supported by continental tire they are throwing some weight behind that. This September. Off Your scarves or so happy to have gotten ours, you'll see great things happening around the league this month I mean, if you're watching, you'll see those armbands be the yellow ones. You'll see the corner flags there'll be a logo on the ball a much bigger than that is the is the donations and look you can be a part of this. If you're listening right now the called messages of hope, and you can send them to kids battling this terrible disease use the Hashtag kick childhood cancer whether it be support whether it be something cool whether it be. Just a general message of hope. Senate out use the HASHTAG. Continentals GonNa make twenty five dollars donation to the children's oncology group that's up to fifty K.. That's an easy fifty k. that we can throw into this fight. If you were maybe paying attention last night before the game in Atlanta Against Inter Miami a forgettable game in every single way. This is. He got the nail, the first virtual Golden Spike regain. He's a cancer survivor just declared cancer free huge congratulations become worn on that. It was a three or fight against Berkeley Lymphoma. He is frequent lane united camps, clinics games. He's a force to be reckoned with on the pitch so well done to him, and we're so happy for him to get that opportunity and all of this reminds me that we had. Started something that we have not followed through on the best way, which is a monthly caused that we want to get behind as a show producers hosts bring the call up in as well. To donate to a worthy cause this month because it is kick child cancer month because Kinda, getting behind it too I think we've got to find something in this space. To be a part of whether it be just straight cash just. To an organization we think help whether it be like a care package. I remember when I was a kid I remember every Jersey I got for Christmas for whatever the occasion was. I didn't get many my my parents didn't spring for that kind of stuff but I remember wearing those down threadbare how much they meant to me maybe we can put together some care packages I don't know you guys have any ideas thoughts truly I know this month in particular means a lot to you and your family It's a it's a big month freeman it is. You know when you see children suffering and in going through a battle that is is putting their lives on. Online at such an early age you want to do anything you possibly can to help them whether it's to take their mind off off the daily struggles to to take their mind off of a doing with the a side effects of medication just to make them feel better and to no, they're not along that they have support and so whether it's a blanket whether it's is simple as a blanket some training cards trading cards, some a soccer ball pictures anything anything will help them to distract them an and give that put them in a positive mind frame I think that's really important and that's why I love this month and I love what we're doing here. Anybody knows somebody out there and MLS fan a kid who's going through something that you know ultimately is unfair and that we wanNA prevent but we want to help them along the line. Let us know extra time dotcom for one zero, six, zero, MLS ourselves, and try to figure out in the next week what we're going to get behind and hopefully I'll have some of you out there who listen to show enjoyed every single week get. Behind to all right let's talk soccer. Remember us at Hashtag cancer to send those messages of hope that's an easy twenty five bucks in. We'll start with this a slightly higher fee than twenty five dollars eighteen million dollars. That's reportedly how much Saudi Arabian Team IS GONNA pay for Pity Martinez. So what twenty months after he signed in January twenty nineteen for all intents and purposes it looks like Pretty Martinez Guard and this thing escalating quickly. Through the cartoonist from the athletic I got the ball rolling, and then we heard Darren eales on the radio in Atlanta last night before the match against Inner Miami a scoreless draw forgettable in every way other than this news basically say, yeah, that's the deal. Those are the parameters they reportedly. Bob. Pretty for fourteen million back in two thousand nineteen. So that's a nice little profit which is wow surprising. Because, P Martinez has not lived up to the South American player the you're billing and the high end, the price tag and the River Plate and Lebron the door is in everything else came along with it. In five stripes. Like when you saw this news. What did you think? Charlie what was your first thing that popped into your brain? Initially I thought. Wow. How Fortunate? Atlanta united are to have a player who's WHO's come in to replace Miguel Marin. and not live up to expectations. And sure you have a coach who comes in a new coach it's not Martino. Who tries to implement a style of play that is not beneficial for the raw so that you have and guys are happy to play in this formation. Guys are happy in general and typically when you're not enjoying the game, you're not enjoying the way you're the style of play. You'RE NOT GONNA get the best out of these players and so for late to sell PD Martinez four four. Million dollars extra. So you're getting four million profit from selling p Martinez who hasn't played well is a is a is a is a steel it's a great job because they haven't got the best out of them yet they're still making a profit on a player who was expected to really fulfil the shoes of McGowan Maroon. So well job well done on the job, but again I think it's They're very lucky to get that. They probably just showed the highlight tapes of him at River and kind of forgot what he had done Atlanta. United to get that that extra four million because you know a player who was brought in and played thirty two games. Only five goals not insists that that's not good enough. How are you getting eighteen million dollars for a player who hasn't lived up to the bill? Got Seven goals. Eleven assists in thirty nine regular season games, but it still holds the thing that I would say about all this. Is that they didn't really give pity the best opportunity to succeed. I don't personally think Tortilla with such an integral part of all of this and I'm sure that was part of what Pretty Martinez looked at and said, yes, this is the right place for me to go to united. I. Have Sort of like a kindred soul. I. Have a countryman Delina on. And even if they bring somebody else in sort of that. Will stay attacking style where I