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"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Well, that's very unique. All right, so that's where they can find you at. And hey, look, I got to tell you that it was great. So meeting your niece, meeting your brother, you guys have got a history of service. So we thank you for that, man, and appreciate you as the chief four stars spending your time with just little old us here, man. That's been an honor to have you on the show, Eric. I enjoyed, obviously we know your history, Murph. And that was a great story. I mean, you're interviewing me, but I got to say pass on that you had a stellar career and a history that everybody wished they could have and be built into a TV series. Well, thank you very much, Eric. But truly it's been an honor to have you on here. And you've got a family legacy there to be extremely proud of in California. So God bless you and your family, brother. Great, thank you. Hang tight. You guys don't go anywhere. Everybody else stay tuned for the debrief. Man, I just, you know, I remember that day. I actually did some analysis, news analysis about it. We talked about the use of social media, how they scrub their devices, the ability to track devices. But Eric's insight, you know, and what these folks went through. But it just shows you the true nature of sheepdogs, Murph. Everybody, some people may not have done it for the right reason, but when shit like this happens, everybody wants to get the bad guy, the bad girl. Everybody wants to get them. Yeah. And they had 300 stops. Oh my God. Talk about an uncoordinated response. You know, and that's the thing about public service. They want to serve, they want to do the right thing. They want to get on the excitement. To be honest with you, that's part of it. But it just creates so many issues out there that evidence is going to fall through the cracks. Very important aspects of any investigation in establishing the elements of a crime can fall through the cracks because you don't have that coordinated response. But it also is a demonstration of the lengths that terrorists will go to attack our country. And the fact that they left that backpack inside that center with the intention of, once the first responders responded to take care of the injured, they were going to blow up a bomb in there. And just thank God, by the grace of God, that bomb did not go off and saved who knows how many more people. Well, a common tactic, and I think that was it too, or it may have been too, they hoped that the bomb would go off and make people run out the door so they could shoot them. But the thing is, any time you start putting explosives into this, that's a favorite tactic of terrorist groups like ISIS, ISIL, whatever you want to call them, Al-Qaeda. You have the initial bomb, people show up, then they have the follow on attacks. We've seen those at the embassies, Nairobi, Kenya, places like that. So yeah, and just think about the sheer impact you had, 14 people killed, a massive crime scene, 27 wounded, and they had good coordination too with the FBI, with all of their federal partners, with their state and local partners. But yeah, the fact that they got them and stopped them as soon as they did, considering the way they were dressed, considering the things that they did. Again, this is us saluting you, Eric. And you see these things he's doing now, they're trying to do, he's got a good business going, doing background checks, making things better, making sure we hire the right kind of people. That's always important in this profession of ours, we call law enforcement. So again, us saluting you. I don't know why I salute, nobody can see me doing this, but I'm doing it just out of habit, I'm saluting. Out of it, right. But hey, again, this is us saluting you. And guys, as the follow on to our 9-11 episode with Rick Prado, I mean, these were serious discussions we wanted to have with you folks. Just, you know, we have fun in a lot of the others, some of these are fun. Kevin Holtrey was fun in some ways, it was gut wrenching in others when you hear about what he went through. But these I think are things we need to keep in mind as we talk about safety and security and who are the good men and women out there. As I say, people sleep peacefully in their bed at nights because rough men and now women stand ready to do violence on their behalf. If you're a sheepdog, you gotta be ready to do violence. Unfortunately, it's the way it is, but we salute those folks that are out there on the front lines doing it. And by listening to Game of Crimes, if you're a sheep, at least you're learning what some of the threats are and what the sheepdogs are willing to do to protect us all. So thank you so much for joining us here on Game of Crimes. 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"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"I can't believe you wouldn't work for free for the city. Come on, Eric. At some point, we got a very good pay raise and the city manager came to me and she says, hey, my pay is tied to yours. I'll make 5% more than you, but this is like a 20% pay raise. I can't go to the city council and take this pay raise. I said, well, I said, well, tough. I'm gonna take it, but you'll make more money than me. I said, well, tough to be the city manager, isn't it? So I was the highest paid city employee. There you go. Making more than the city manager. Yeah, I care, but not that much. Well, you do what you gotta do. I gotta do what I gotta do. Well, the other thing is, is that, you know, you think that it's so important at the time to be that good partner, but when you retire, it's not like anybody calls me from the city to see how I'm doing. You gotta take care of yourself and make sure you're taking care of it. Well, when you retire, you have about a day and then it's a recoup, you know? Exactly. We're all expendable and replaceable. Except you, Murph, you know, you know, you- I'm the token hillbilly. Yeah, you're the token, we can't get rid of you, man. So Eric, so let's talk about you now. What are you doing now? So you're at a conference right now. You're doing some stuff for the FBI National Academy. Yeah, so I went to the FBI National Academy as a student before I retired, so a couple of years, several years before I retired. Was that, were you a captain or assistant chief? I was assistant chief at the time. I actually was on the list as a lieutenant, but it's out of the LA office and we get only so many slots and there's a lot of agencies in Southern California. So it's just a matter of your number coming up and then actually following up. I didn't know, I thought you'd just put in and didn't bug them. And then I come to find out, the FBI says, well, you know, we give it to the guys who call us all the time and bug us. I thought that was the people that would piss you off and you wouldn't, you put them on the bottom of the list. And they said, no, no, you gotta show that you're really interested in going. But anyway, I had an opportunity to go, but when I got promoted to assistant chief, the chief tells me, hey, you know, I know you're on the list for the National Academy, but I can't afford to lose you. You know, you gotta be here. And how long of a commitment is it to go to the NA? It's 10 weeks. So I'm like, hey, no problem. I wanna get promoted to assistant chief. I'll forget the National Academy. So we have a position that comes up available and I assign a lieutenant, hey, you're gonna go to the National Academy. And I go tell the chief, hey, I'm sending Lieutenant Sones. He goes, well, don't you wanna go? And this is several months in, six months later after I got appointed. I said, well, you told me that I couldn't go. And he says, no, no, you can go ahead and go. I think at that point, cause he appointed me when he got appointed the chief and maybe he felt a little uncomfortable in his role and he wanted to ensure that I was there to kind of support him. But then, so I said, okay, I'll go. But then my buddy was on the list and he was lieutenant and he wanted, he thought he had to have the National Academy to get promoted to captain. And so I had another spot that opened up and I said, you know what? I'll go ahead and send you so you can go, you can take my spot. And so he went and then finally the few weeks later, the coordinator from the FBI called me. She says, you've been on the list for seven years. She goes, do you wanna go or not? I said, well, yeah, I wanna go. She goes, okay, I'll put you in the next class. So I got to go to the National Academy. Jeez. Dang. Well, that's a good organization. I had the chance to speak at the FBI National Academy Associates meeting, their first international one they did in Toronto. And it was great time, great meeting, got to meet a lot of, and it's one of those things, man, you talk about networking and making friends all over the world. So is that the only thing you're doing or you're doing anything else other than? No, so my partner, so we hired a lot of people and when we at our department, we had our own internal background investigators and then we would, because we had so much recruitment going on that we would hire outside background investigative companies. And we really, from that, my partner and I kind of saw a lack of quality, so to speak, and in both senses. So we said, hey, when we retire, that's something that we really need to do. Plus, we had outsourced some of our personnel investigations or the HR department had, we did them all in house if we, in RIA, but even there, the quality just, we didn't think the quality was there. So about a year before I retired, we kind of got all our licensing in place and we said, hey, we're going to start up our own business when we retire. And so we got all the licensing in place, like a PI license and a security license to do operate security company as well. And so right when I retired, we were able to transition into our company and we've grown it quite a bit just in the two years that I've been retired. Actually, I'm about a week short of, or a couple of days short of two years in retirement and actually next month I'll be retired two years. And we've grown it to a pretty good size company. All together with everything, we've got about 60 employees and we're growing like gangbusters. And you didn't think this experience managing civilians was going to come to benefit you. Exactly. And the funny thing is, is that both my partner and I, we did 30 years because we wanted to make sure that we maxed out our pensions and that we wouldn't have to rely on any income from the business in the beginning because you need to keep reinvesting into the company as you grow any of the profits. And, but we always also talk about, as we get into this, we've become successful. Are we ever going to look back and say, man, we should have retired five years earlier because we would have been making that much money that much sooner. But, and we're actually getting to that conversation right now, but it's a good business to be in. It's a growth industry. A lot of departments are outsourcing their background investigations because you just look at, if you have an internal person that's an investigator and they're making in California $65, $75 an hour, and they're taking three, four, five months to complete it. I mean, they're not working continuously on it, but the feedback we've gotten from some of the agencies is that their internal investigators are spending 40, 50, 60 hours at that cost. And we're coming in at a fraction of that to get it done for them a lot cheaper and faster, which with the competition to hire police officers, you have to be the first one. People don't apply generally for just one department. They're applying at five. And if you can get to the point where you can offer them a conditional job offer, give them a conditional job offer, you're gonna get them first. And so you're just a race to that conditional job offer. Man, so you're staying busy. We are staying pretty busy. My wife says I work more now than I ever did as a chief. Ron says the same thing. Yeah, and your wife's going, Eric, you live here? Exactly. But dude, I gotta tell you this. So we gotta bring this to a close cause we've kept you long. This is great stuff. Cause we planned on going around 90 minutes, maybe just a little bit past that. But the story, there's just so many lessons to learn out of this. So first of all, hey, this is us saluting you saying thank you. I mean, it's a great thing. But for people, if you're cops and you're out there and you're listening to this stuff, what's the name of your company? Where can they find you? A Pelicon Group, P-A-L-I-C-O-N. And everyone asks us, where's that name come from? And- Somebody was drunk and they misspelled Pelicon Group and it became Pelicon Group. Well, what's funny is that we wanted to brand our company that there's no confusion with any other companies. So we'd come up with a name and then we'd get on internet and Google it. And sure enough, there's somebody named that, right? And all the cops always come up with like some Greek warrior name or something like that for their company. Obviously we wanted to stay away from that. And so finally, my partner and his wife were just kind of playing around with arranging words. And he says, what do you think about Pelicon Group? And we Googled it and we're like, man, there is nobody with that. So everybody asks us, hey, what's it mean? And I say, nothing. We just made the word up.
Game of Crimes
"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"You knew the dangers of the job, and you knew that you're gonna put in a position like that, and you accepted the position, so go forth and do your job. But I think it's gonna come down to where this deployment issue, mutual aid, becomes, and they do do training, but not enough, that agencies really drill it in to where if you respond to another jurisdiction, make sure you get a point of contact with that other agency. Understand when you arrive what your role is in that, because your role is not gonna be actively engaged in what's taking place more than likely. It's gonna be those secondary assignments like securing the perimeter, making sure that no evidence that it's on the ground escapes or that the suspects, if there's still an active engagement, don't escape the perimeter. Yeah, back in 2012, I've told some other, I was the senior law enforcement advisor for the Republican National Convention down in Tampa, actually, but the role of the National Guard there, they say, why is the National Guard here? It was to offload the protection responsibilities for a lot of these areas we're operating out of so that the police could deploy to there. The National Guard had a very specific role, and that's where I think part of the training ought to be is like, yeah, you want people getting in there, but it's so hard to do that when shit's, when lead's flying or the smoke's blowing and the action is going on. I think cops instinctively want to get involved, but man, it's one of those things. It's like, yeah, but not everybody gets to be there at the tip of the spirit of, everybody wants to take the bad guy or girl down, but sometimes that's just not your role that day. Right, absolutely. And that's the mindset. They want to, hey, there's a bad guy in there. We need to take him down. Maybe that's going to be me today, and that's the mindset. Yeah, so I hate to be, because there's some folks out there who've won some awards for doing stuff, but sometimes you've run into those people, right, to where it's like, why are you here? Well, I'm just here to help. And it's like in the back of your mind going, no, you're just here to get an award. You're just here to get a medal. Are you doing it? Are you doing it for yourself? Are you doing it for your buddies and for the good of the operation and the mission, what's going on? And I'll hit on that a little bit. There's a lot of people that, I did a lot of presentations on this incident along with the chief. I mean, I was flying all over the country. And I would talk about the things that didn't go right as much as the things that did. And because I think you learn more from the things that didn't go right, that you hope not to be repeated. And I said, I would tell people, I said, everybody viewed what we did as a success, that we had a textbook response to this incident. But let me tell you what happened. But everybody views it as we had the textbook response because at the end of the day, we located the suspects and they were taken out without any additional loss of life. But for all the mistakes that happened, if it didn't end up the way it did, people would have pointed at us and you guys did all these things wrong. And to that point, we kind of reinforced that a little bit because of the response to what we did and how the end result everybody viewed, everybody in the agency that had any point in this or any touch of it as a hero that we did an awards thing. And so a lot of these people who did things that they probably shouldn't have done, that they should have done differently, were all given awards, which kind of reinforced the things that they had done. Yeah, and that's a tough thing to do. You wanna recognize people for bravery in what they do, but it's like, well, let me reverse and ask the question this way. You had 300 people show up. How many people did you really need to get the job done that day? Did you need all 300? We didn't need 300. The perimeter was large only because we didn't know, obviously in law enforcement, you always create the biggest perimeter that you can because you don't know the extent. And then you kinda, after you get there and realize what it is, you condense it. Because you can't, it's more difficult to grow a crime scene perimeter than it is to reduce it. And we did take a number of, quite honestly, more, it was just as important to keep the media out of the crime scene, because it was probably the largest media response that we'd ever seen. Probably 100 credentialed members of the media with cameras who are all trying to crawl through a dry riverbed to get a better shot of the crime scene and stuff like that. So to some extent, the number of people securing the crime scene, which is about 60 in this big, large perimeter, was to keep the media out as much as it was to preserve the evidence. So initially we needed that many people. But it got dialed in. I mean, when you really look at it, maybe 50 people have secured a perimeter. There was really only 10 people, 15 people that needed to go into the IRC building itself to secure it. Obviously there was some fatigue. It was a commercial building that had steel reinforced door jams, which were very difficult to breach. So it took a lot of time to breach those doors and get in and adequately search. But yeah, we didn't need necessarily 300. That was a little overkill, absolutely. Jeez. Kind of as we bring this to a close, let's just talk about why did you get any sense or did the information, the intelligence tell you why they picked the particular target they did? I mean, they were obviously going to do something. So that day, was it just simply because of the shooter, the male's familiarity, because he was the county employee and knew that? Or was there any reason this, I mean, by all accounts, these folks are like the least, I mean, the least offensive people you're going to find out. They're trying to work with people, trying to help people out. It's like, what is it that these guys did that put them on the radar of these two pieces of shit? No one truly knows why they picked that particular day to do it. There's been a lot of speculation out there and I've heard people talk about the triggers. So it was during the holiday season and the IRC has this conference room that gets rented out virtually around the clock for different events during that time of the year. And what they had, they had a Christmas tree in there. They had some holiday decorations and stuff like that because people would come in, they're hosting Christmas parties and using that little small conference center to do that. So there's some speculation by people that, well, they came in there and they had this holiday stuff and they're radicalized and that triggered them and they left and went their guns and came back and did it. But I think that it was just that for some reason they had it in their mind they were going to do this attack. That day was a day where they had a significant amount of people gathered there that they had as an opportunity to do it and that's why they did it. It didn't go down the way they wanted. They stopped out because the suspects or the male suspect was there at the event. He left, went home and got his wife. But before he went and got her, he left his backpack with the bomb on the table. When they showed up at the location of the vehicle, we believe, based on the statements of that other suspect that didn't carry out a terrorist attack, how they had planned to do an attack at that junior college, placing the bomb in the library and exploding it and then shooting people coming out, we believe that they tried to detonate the bomb when they arrived and then they were in place to shoot the people as they evacuated, but the bomb didn't detonate so they had to make a hasty entry into the building to actually shoot people. I think, and I think some others think that their plan didn't necessarily go as they had made it out to be and they had to make entry. But here's the thing is, as we always know, bad guys always have the advantage, right? Because they know what they're gonna do and they pick the time and place and the good guys and girls are the ones having to react to that, right? And yeah, they did make an adjustment on it, but that's the point. That's a favorite tactic of terrorists too, the follow on attacks, the exploded device. People think, oh, that's the incident. No, that's just to get you out into the public so they can shoot you. All right, well, let's talk about you now. You had though made some overtures to go be chief somewhere else. Like I said, you tested as a lieutenant and stuff. So why'd you stay there? I mean, you rose up, did you retire as assistant chief? I retired as the chief. As the chief? Yeah, I applied at that small city, Beach City, as a police chief, a lot smaller than San Bernardino. I was a lieutenant at the time and I didn't get the job. But what's interesting when I talk to the headhunter and he says, hey, you're only a lieutenant. What makes you think you're qualified to be the chief here? I said, well, I have a district. I have as many officers in my district as you do in this police department and it's just a headhunter. And I said, besides, I said, I'll probably be getting promoted to captain pretty soon and then I'll be making more than your chief and I'll be out of your price. I'll be out of the market for you guys. You guys can't afford me. So they ultimately picked somebody else that was already a chief somewhere to come in and they got the job. But I had the opportunity to promote the chief and I was the chief for the last three years of my career in San Bernardino. So what was the process like? Obviously, it's always good to have the hometown advantage, have the home field advantage due to your already assistant chief. What was it? Was there a lot of competition though for the position? There wasn't for that because the chief had retired. Well, actually he'd gone off on injury first. And so I was the acting chief for about a little while for a year and then he retired medically and I just stayed on as the chief and I became the interim chief. And there's kind of a funny thing is that technically post, which is overseas police status, since I was the only one that was chief, I qualify as the chief for the purposes of post. But the city was trying to play hardball negotiations with me and they didn't want me to get certain benefits and stuff. And I kept saying, well, then go find yourself a chief. Well, we don't wanna get anybody else, but we want you to agree to these terms. And so I refused to agree to their terms, but they weren't willing to get rid of me. So I still stayed on for the chief for another two years after that first initial year. It's like a standoff. Yeah, it was like, hey, if you want me to agree to those, no, go find somebody else. Well, we don't wanna get anybody else. So I was a little bit harder of a negotiator. So I got all the benefits, the pay, everything that would come with chief were the four stars, got my executive post, which you have to be the chief, not an acting chief, but the chief for two years to qualify for that. And I was the chief. So I got my executive post from California. What was that movie? It was a Cool Hand Luke. What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Game of Crimes
"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"In all your years, have you had an incident bigger than this? No, that was the biggest. And, you know, at the time, we've had some terrorist attacks in the country that eclipsed that, but at the time that it happened, it was, by loss of life, the largest terrorist attack in the United States after 9-11. Hmm. Which is not a good reputation to have. No, it was eclipsed very shortly thereafter by the Pulse, which actually had more victims. Down in Orlando. Right up to that point. Yeah. And Sandy Hook. And, you know, what's interesting is you always have wonder, you know, it's such a small world, and here I am looking at some pictures of the incident down on the Pulse, and I see this officer standing in the front that I actually was in the Marines with in front of the Pulse. Small world. Let's talk about after action, which the military is, you know, very fond of doing after action reports. What are some of the things that came out of this that actually helped make things better for a future response? You know, there's something that has come up. You mentioned it in the Dorner incident. It happened in our incident, and it seems to happen again and again and again. It's the uncontrolled self-deployment of officers to these types of incidents. And the thing is is that while, you know, they're supposed to check in on mutual aid, they're supposed to check in and get an assignment, people tend to self-deploy and take up their own assignment, and it's not necessarily things that we need to be done, and they do it on their own. And there is an element, to be honest, that we do need some of that, and, you know, we hire police officers that take the initiative to do things. You don't want them to have to stand there and wait to be given direction, but sometimes that's a little on steroids, and they overdo it. For example, I mean, I was in uniform wearing three stars, and I'm trying to stop these people from other agencies to say, hey, I need you on a perimeter, and they kind of look at me. They don't work for me because I'm from a different department, and they just keep going past me because they want to get inside the building. But this is something that's repeated again and again, and, you know, it's often a discussion when I'd go around the country and speak about the incident. People would say, hey, how do you, how do you prevent this from happening? And, you know, it's a hard decision because it's like you praise people with their self-initiative, but then you want to rein it in and discipline people if they don't do what you want them to do, and you have to find that balance a little bit. So that was a big takeaway. How do we fix that? How do we correct that self-deployment, over-deployment? Matter of fact, there was agencies where some of their officers were in our city shooting at the suspects, and their agencies didn't even know they were there. Jeez. And they're from another county. There should have been some massive ass chewings going on when all that was found out. Yeah, matter of fact, at the end, we're trying to determine all of the shooters, and one of the persons didn't even disclose at the time, at the initially, that they had fired any rounds. Why? Because they would have had to write reports? Maybe. The thing about going back to being a police officer on the streets for a lot of times, and we've deployed mutual aid for other agencies and for small riots and stuff, and it's always like, hey, you get to go over there, kick ass, and get it out of there before any paper's taken, right? So you go over there, shoot off your last lethal munitions on the rioters and take care of action, and hey, no one ever saw me, I'm out of here, and you don't have to write a report, right? Obviously, today, with cameras and stuff, that's probably hopefully taking place a lot less than it ever did in the past, but that's kinda like the mindset, I think, a lot of times of officers that, hey, it's not my city, I'm not responsible for writing the report, and they wanna get out of there. And I apologize for some background noise here real quick. My neighbor decided to start doing tree trimming right as we were doing this, but that kinda reminds me, too, of one of the reasons why we got the National Incident Management System after 9-11. We had to have a coordinated way for people to do this. It just seems to me as I like, people wanna get involved, and that's your point, you don't wanna tamp that down, but at the same time, how do you get people to have the mission mindset, which said, look, everybody's got a particular role, a particular mission. If I'm coming in from an outside area, the biggest thing I can do is provide support. I'm not gonna be tip of the spear because that's reserved for the agency whose responsibility it is. How do we change that with training? To your point, how do we not cut back on the warrior mindset, but at the same time, how do we make them part of an effective fighting unit, which is, as you know, hey, every Marine unit, every Army unit, whatever else, everybody's got a role, you gotta do your role. I think part of it, it's kinda like what we did with Active Shooter. We did so much training where we drilled in that, hey, when you get there, don't wait for backup. And that's been the evolving training too, because it was originally, get there, form a team, and make entry, right? But we're still waiting too long before we went in there, and the training's kind of evolved in Active Shooters that if you're the first person there, even if you're alone, make entry. And try to locate and take down the suspects. And you hear it a lot of times, some officers, well, I gotta have a backup. Well, you know what? You get paid a lot of money for somebody that has a high school education.
Game of Crimes
"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"They're not cheap. But after the, after the, uh, the company that broke that phone, Apple wanted to know who's the company and how'd they do it. Because they, sorry, you had your chance. You could have, we could have kept this from happening. Now we're not going to tell you how we did it. Hey, but that brings back to the question because you said it was your investigation for three days. At what point did it become apparent to you that this was a terrorist attack, that the, all the indicators were there? Yeah. So early on we knew it was a terrorist attack, obviously. I mean, well, intuitively, I should say, I mean, we didn't have any obvious, um, evidence that it was, um, there was no posting or anything that anybody had found and about it. And a funny story is, is that, uh, the F we are still the lead organization on it, but the FBI had flown out people from their crime lab and stuff like that. And they said, Hey, do you mind, or we have our crime lab. We can offer you all of this technology. And although our local sheriffs have a very extensive, very good crime lab, some of the capabilities from the FBI exceeded what they had. Plus they were going to process the entire scene. And it was a big scene, a big messy scene. So to speak, because you think about it, you know, the number of people you've mentioned that were dead and wounded in there, the sprinklers had come on mixing with that stuff. And it was spreading all that everywhere. It was a very, very, um, messy, messy scene. So we said, yeah, sure, come in. You know, if you're going to provide all that assistance, it's just a mutual aid thing. But we are still the lead as far as the investigation goes. So the funny story about it though, I was going to speak, is that we're getting ready. Everything that, we did pretty regular press conferences. And we're in this meeting before we're going to go out and do another press conference. And we always had all of the lead agencies, us, the FBI, the Sheriff's Department. And, you know, David Bowditch, who was at the time, who later went on to advance in the FBI, was the lead there from the LA office. And then my chief and I was there, and then the sheriff. And we're watching the news. And the president comes out, Obama, and he says, the FBI is the lead in this investigation. And at that time, we were still the lead. So David Bowditch says, man, how am I going to, how am I, if I get asked, how am I going to, I can't tell him that the president's wrong. So he had to kind of think about how he was going to respond to that if he asked directly by the media, if the FBI was the lead. But we were still the lead. So what happened is, about three days in, or thereabouts, the FBI finally found an email or like a profile online that the suspect had, where he had actually pledged allegiance to Al-Baghdadi. And from that, they were able to extrapolate that this is a direct connection to terrorism. And then they took it as a federal issue and took over the lead in the investigation. You know, that's very interesting. We had, a friend of mine, Ed Davis, was the commissioner of Boston Police when the Boston Marathon bombing happened. And same thing, issues there. They didn't want, if the FBI had taken over at that time, and as they found out and declared it a terrorist incident, many of the insurance coverages and all the other things that would pay out would not have been in effect, because that was part of their force majeure. Hey, we'll do it except for terrorist attacks. So there was a lot of politicking and maneuvering involved with the FBI and Rich Delaurier and the guys out there being involved in the marathon bombing as well, simply because of those facts. The minute you come in and you say it's an FBI, once they say it's a terrorist thing, that changes legally the complexion, not only from a criminal standpoint, but insurance, civil damages, everything after that. It's a mess. Well, look, let's talk about the aftermath now. So at some point, like I said, the FBI comes in and takes over. When are you at the point to where you are satisfied that there are no more suspects, that there are no more follow on attacks, anything else coming on? You know, we were pretty confident after the suspects were located and taken out, that that was, the only information that we had was that there were two suspects, and we knew we had two suspects dead at the scene. And speaking of that a little bit, we actually used a Rook, it's looked like an armored caterpillar, and it was from another agency that brought it in, which then went up to the car, opened the door, and actually reached in and pulled the second suspect out of the backseat and dropped it onto the ground outside, and it started manipulating the clothes, checking it for explosive devices. And it wasn't until that moment when they put over there, they say, hey, this is a woman. And up to that point, we had no idea. Wow. But obviously the, you know, you're consolidating this. The other word I had too, and I just wanted to check that with you too, it's like 12 of the people, the victims, they died at the scene, but two of them survived long enough, but to get to triage, and they died in triage later. Is that what the- No, everybody, no, we had some, nobody died at the hospital. Everybody that made it to the hospital survived. Everybody that died died at the scene. Right, okay. And see, that's why I said, you read some of this stuff, and it's like, you know, we've always told people do your own due diligence, and that's why it's great getting you on and other folks like you on who were there that know what's really going on, because if you believe what's written out there about everything, as we found out, it's highly inaccurate. I mean, if somebody says something and somebody repeats it now and say, oh, look, I've got three people saying the same thing, it must be true. No, the first guy got it wrong, the other two just repeated what was wrong. And maybe there's some confusion because, so we had the victims that were inside the building, the conference room at the IRC, and they had to get taken across the street to where we had the triage location for the victims, and that was across the street on the golf course. And so we had officers that, you know, put them in a vehicle, backseat of a car, and drove them across the street. So there were a couple of people that were wounded that were taken to that triage location, but before they could be evacuated, they expired, they died. But everybody that made it to the hospital survived. That's what I was getting at too. That's what I thought. In terms of the triage, some of the folks that did not make it out of triage, but everybody went to the hospital, survived, which is a testament to that golden hour. You got to get that care. And we got them out of there very, very quickly. They're landing helicopters right there on the fairway to medevac those folks out. Nice.
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"But there was this one iPhone, and it was the county-issued cell phone to the suspect. So it was part of his employment. And so we didn't think. I mean, he maintained it, didn't get rid of it. And it was the county phone. But you can't leave anything unchecked. So they say, hey, we've got to check this phone. So it's my understanding, and I've taken the FBI National Academy of Cyberclass and stuff like that. It's my understanding that if Apple had wanted to cooperate, you know, they push out those Apple updates to your phone. You can update it. They can do it to a single device. It's my understanding. They could have sent out an update specifically to that phone to unlock it. But they stood fast on their privacy thing and saying, we're not going to do it and stuff like that. So the FBI found a vendor that could. Yeah, I believe it was a company my buddy worked for at that time, Celebrite over in the UK was one of the ones that, but they paid a lot of money to do it. But it gets back to the point. See, that was one of the discussions that I remember. I actually thought she made a good point, but it's like, we were at the point where we were allowing one single private company to determine national security policy. And so it's like, hey, I get it. You want privacy, but we're talking about a terrorist. I mean, I tell you what, here's my thought. Tim Cook was CEO at the time. Steve Jobs had passed away. Hold on a second. I got housekeeping. Knock it on my door. One second. Police search warrant demand entry. They're going to make my bed for me. That's why I didn't make it. You know what the hell? We're not going to edit that out. That's fun. No, I was thinking, but I don't know if Steve Jobs would have done it, but Tim Cook didn't. But my thought was always, well, let's turn this around. Let's say that it's your kids who have been kidnapped or friends of yours, you know, or your family members. And they've got an iPhone and if you unlock it, you can find out where they're at. Would you do it? Would Tim Cook still say, no, we're not going to do it. And the thing is, is that I think they were concerned that, that somehow they would give away some kind of proprietary, um, you know, information about how their phones operate and the security features. So they kind of held fast. Although they could have done that thing without giving any of the technology away for the update. The Bureau said, look, we'll bring it out there. You do what you need to do with the phone. Just unlock it. We don't even want to know how you do it. Just unlock the phone for us. You know, we'll, we'll, we'll take it out to your facilities. They still said, no, I just think, I know now it's, it's gotten to the point, unless you've got the biometric or the password or whatever, it's just virtually impossible to unlock these phones anymore. They, um, well, my, you know, ironically, my, my daughter works at, I told you she works at the department, but she's our celebrate and gray key operator. And I shouldn't say Mike's I'm retired, but so they, they're, they buy keys and they cost more money, but as the phones and they update the security features, obviously they're always a one step ahead. But how quickly they, that the celebrate or gray key can, you know, kind of figure it out. You can buy keys, so to speak, to unlock them, but it does, there is a little bit of a delay. Yeah. And there's a little bit of a cost too. Those things don't come cheap.
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"How far, how far into the incident did you get the identities of the suspects? It was a good, well, what's interesting is that early on we had a name and the interesting thing is that both suspects were wearing clothes that, uh, that kind of, kind of concealed their identity. But one of the victims who was wounded or, or, um, not, I can't remember specifically, um, was talking to the investigators and he says, you know what? He says, um, I can't say for certainty, but I think one of the shooters is our coworker and he named him and, and he goes, but I can't say with certainty because his face was covered. And they say, why do you say that? He says, well, because when he walked in the way he carried himself, I could tell it was him. And he said that, uh, and at first I thought that maybe it was some sort of active shooter training. Um, and I thought, how stupid is this to do it here without telling us that we're going to do it and how, what bad form to use the only employee that's a Muslim as the role player. And uh, so they thought it was, and then he said, obviously then when the shooting started taking place and he knew it wasn't a drill that, uh, that it was actually a real event. You know, you brought up something that's interesting and that's been done before. A lot of people don't realize you're almost as identifiable from the way you walk is from your facial features. People can look at your gait, you know, the way you do things, your mannerisms and say, yeah, it's got, it's like, you know, um, uh, you, if you watch Tom Brady walk or Aaron Rogers walking on, you could, you could, you could mask them, but you could say, by the way they walked, you know who they are. I mean, obviously some famous stuff. And so that was interesting is that they attempted to conceal their identities, but they were still identified. Um, and the, the second suspect who was his wife was initially identified as a, as another male, um, by witnesses and stuff like that. They didn't, it was a female, but you know, we had that name early on. The problem is, is that the suspect had, I think three or four brothers and his dad, they all had the same names. Um, they might have, it's almost like the, like the, uh, George Foreman thing where they had George Foreman, one, two, three, four, five, six. So kind of had that. So, and one of his brothers in particular was in the U S military, but also had been a subject of an investigation by, I think, by the FBI or something for some suspicious activity. So they're actually focusing on some of that, trying to track them down. And so they're working through who are all these people, where are they at, where are they located and trying to track that down. But they had those names relatively early, at least for one of the suspects. So what's the response like once you start doing this? I mean, this is like, are you, are you calling people in from a days off or the next shift in early, you know, what's the response like from the city standpoint? From the city standpoint, you know, most of our officers, a lot of the officers working at that time, especially, you know, we have maybe 40 detectives working, so everybody heads down there because, you know, it's all hands on deck. But that being said, we're a very big city, very busy city. So there's a lot of things, even other shootings, you know, during the middle of this, we had another homicide that happened in the city, unrelated to this. So there's other things that we have to take care of in the city. So while we're having officers call in and they say, Hey, do I need to come in? Do I need to come in and help out? We're like, no, you work swing shift, come in at swing shift because we're going to need you to work swing shift, you know? And we still have a city to police outside of this. And so, you know, and there's some people just came in and then, you know, just kind of reassigned them and did whatever we needed to do. But the city response, you know, we managed that pretty well. A lot of people are accustomed to being a busy city and some people are calling the watch bander. But for the most part, those people that weren't at work that were scheduled to come in later, we told them, come in at your next shift. But it turned from a four day work week for people to a seven day work week. But they were working their regular shift. But the response from other agencies, we never officially, not even once, requested mutual aid. You know, the interesting thing about San Bernardino is that we're so busy that all the cities on our periphery listen to our radio traffic, because if we have a shooting or a robbery, the suspects might be heading out of there. Chances are, yeah, yeah, they're going to be they're going to be crossing into the jurisdiction. So they listen to what's going on. So they all just proactively responded themselves. Which goes back to what we were talking about with the Dorner shooting. The stuff there is that you got these people showing up from all over the place, command and control, you know, coordination becomes a huge issue. But but but this but this is going on. And so now you're starting to get a name. How do you what starts happening? When does when do things like the federal agencies like FBI or ATF, when does this start becoming involved? Because, you know, we're obviously people who know about this. This does end up in a shootout. It does end up, you know, they do you get you do end up identifying them. But how's the process of getting to that point? You know, we we called the the officer that was assigned to take the initial report that talked about the phone call. He worked a lot with the FBI and, you know, doing some different terrorist stuff. So he made a phone call very, very quickly to the L.A. which is really if there's no traffic, it's less than an hour drive or maybe about an hour from West L.A. to San Bernardino. And the FBI said it was the soonest they've ever received a call from a local jurisdiction. And they responded right away to San Bernardino. And they came out with quite a bit of resources. I think they had two of their SWAT teams respond. At one time, we probably had about from various jurisdictions, probably about six or seven SWAT teams on site at the location. Now, when I say that you talk about the overwhelming response, not only did I see people from our local agencies, there are people from agencies an hour's drive away that just showed up. And what's funny is I'm in uniform that day and I wear three stars and I see these people coming up and we're trying to get control and set up a perimeter. But everybody that's responding, of course, what do you think they want to do? They're going to get inside the building. They're going to go kill the suspects and they don't want to set up the perimeter. That's not what their role is. But really, because our officers were the first ones there, they were the ones that got sucked in the building to do the searches very quickly. And we really needed to rely on the other agencies responding to secure the perimeter. The perimeter was so big that it took about 60 officers alone to secure it adequately. Yeah, but you know, at the end of the day, though, too, it's kind of like it's, guys, that's foolish to think that you're from another agency. You've got no jurisdiction here other than mutual aid. You think San Bernardino is going to allow you to come into the building and be the primaries on this stuff? It's almost like that's one of the good things, but bad things about cops. Everybody wants to be involved in the action, which, you know, too, it's not just the action, but securing the perimeter, defending people. You don't want to have a, here's the importance of securing the perimeter. The two fucking suspects drove by while this shit was going on. How do we know that they didn't have a plan to say, hey, let's lean a semi-automatic out the window or toss a couple of pipe bombs and start taking out cops who don't suspect this to happen? Well, we know later through the course of the investigation, following their cell phone tracking, that they actually drove by the perimeter on numerous occasions. And we hypothesized that they didn't get that point yet, but they had left an explosive device inside that room and it didn't detonate. And it turned out they didn't wire it correctly. But we suspect that they were driving by to try to get in enough close proximity where they could detonate the device, you know, on the officers inside. Holy cow, I read one article, there were as many as 300 officers responded. There were probably at least 300. Which is bigger than your department, right? Yeah. And there was agencies I'd never heard of, assets that showed up that, it's great to have everything because you never know what you're going to need, right? But I even got pulled aside by one person in an unmarked van in civilian clothes that says, hey, I've got a Predator overhead if you need to have any video. Hey, that either sounds like Delta, DevGru, or not the agents agency is not supposed to be operating on U.S. soil, but you never know. But I didn't ask him where he was from. And I said, okay, I'll get back to you because I'm running around doing all kinds of stuff. But yeah, there are all kinds of assets. Did you ask him if the Predator had a Hellfire missile attached to it as well? Yeah, is it armed? But yeah, so we had a ton of people and, you know, and the interesting thing about this as an active shooter event, historically, as you guys well know, at an active shooter event, the suspects usually stay there and they engage law enforcement. And it's almost like a murder, suicide type thing that they expect to engage the police and be killed potentially. But the suspects were gone and we're like, well, geez, they're gone. Where did they go? And what's going on? At the gang conference real quick, we had the chance to meet the two Nashville officers who took out the active shooter at that school shooting and it was the Covenant School. And it's like, yeah, that's what they did. The shooter took out the folks, was waiting around and got engaged by law enforcement. It's a little strange to show up to an active shooter and there's no active shooter anymore. Right. And that was obviously we're doing the due diligence and going through room by room to search the officers are searching the buildings. And very quickly, we realized that more than likely they were gone all together. And so at some point, we gathered up all of our resources. And that's one thing you like to have. It was bad in the sense that it was an uncontrolled response. But at that point, we're like, hey, we don't know why this was the focus of the attack. We don't know if they're going to go somewhere else. But let's start deploying people to areas that we think that they might go to next. So we basically started assigning people to the courts, to the schools and sending officers out to everywhere that we could think of that the suspects might go to next. And during that time, we started getting reports of other active shooters. So we have a large Amazon location next to our airport where they have a huge million square feet Amazon distribution centers. And we got a call that there was an active shooter at the Amazon distribution center. So we're thinking, crap, they went over there. And and then we got a call that was somewhere else, that there was another active shooter. So we started getting these these calls that there were other active shooter events in our city taking place. And obviously your first instinct, your first thought is it's these people who have now gone somewhere else. So we deploy all these assets all over the city and in some other government buildings and stuff like that. Was that just hysteria? Was it just, hey, well, you know, there's an active shooter. We've got we think we got one here. Was the news getting out by that time or what accounted for these people reporting? It's rare to get an active shooter call, but to get two or three in the same day, it's almost like impossible. Yeah, I think it was a little bit of hysteria. People, you know, hearing something, seeing something and all of a sudden getting kind of excited and calling and saying, hey, I think something's going on over here. And we got at least two of those types of calls. And obviously that caused us to have to think we got to deploy people in case this actually takes place. But as we come to find out, right, there was nothing to those other calls. They were totally unfounded. Yeah, but then we started looking back over days later and we started getting where we'd had reports of like, you know, males that fit the profile of terrorists that were actually people thought they were scouting the mall several days before the attack. So we had to follow up on some of those types of reports and stuff like that to see if they were valid. So this went on for like quite a while where, you know, for over a week we were following up on a lot of tips. You know, now we're going back over all the wee tips and looking at things that happened elsewhere to see if we had done everything that we needed to. Well, let's talk about how this engagement comes about, because, I mean, you're getting into this, you're a couple hours in and you've got all sorts of people over the place, but eventually not only do you identify them, you end up locating. How does that happen? So now walk us through the remainder of this. So part of it is that we did have information about where the suspect's names, at least the one male suspect, we still didn't know who the second suspect was, whether it was a male or female, you know, witnesses had said it was a male. So, but we got at least one name. Real quick on that question, too, that's what I was reminding of. The female suspect, was she dressed in such a way to make it appear that she was a male or was she dressed as female? And people just couldn't discern that because of obviously you're getting shot at. You may not grab all the details. She was dressed in the same manner that the other suspect was. OK, so like black BDUs with like some tactical equipment on and stuff like that. So and they had hoods on that you couldn't see their faces. So no way for all these people at that moment, no one ever identified as a female. No one ever did. Matter of fact, the initial descriptions that were going off, it was either two Hispanic or white males is what we initially received. So, you know, going forward, there was a I'm trying to remember a little bit about how this I've done this presentation so many times, but it's been a few years. But so we had the name and then we had some suspicious calls. So there was a call of the suspects drove around, like you mentioned, they drove all over the city. I have a presentation where we tracked them eventually. The FBI put it together off cell tower sites and stuff like that, where they drove all over the city. I mean, it's almost like they didn't know where to go or what to do. They did track by the IRC on several occasions, which we suspect that they were trying to get close enough to detonate that bomb. Were any of these other places you say they're driving by any of those the locations you thought they might go by, like a school or a courthouse or anything, or was it? They drove through our downtown specifically. I don't know that anybody's gone back to see specifically what locations other than it tracks them through different streets, but they never stopped at any of those that I'm aware of and stuff like that. But so we so we had the name of the suspect and then there was an analyst that worked on our asset forfeiture unit that took it upon herself to start going through some of these calls. And there is a suspicious vehicle call at a park and it kind of matched the description of the suspect's vehicle that we had. And so and there was a license plate. And at the time we had sent an officer out to that park. But by the time the officer got there, that vehicle was gone. So there was never any contact. But there was a license plate. I think the license plate came back to Enterprise Rental Car. And so she's running it. And she at the time was dealing a lot with the rental car companies because a lot of drug dealers rent cars and stuff like that. So she had a good relationship. So she calls him up and she says, hey, I got this suspicious vehicle call and can you tell me anything about who leased it and stuff like that? Turned out it was rented by our suspect. And then she was able to get the address that he used for that. And then she passed on the sergeant in charge of the narcotics unit to follow up on. Well, at the time, even though we had the suspect's name and some information, all the locations, the addresses that were in the government databases, whether it's driver's license or whatnot, was for an old address. We didn't have a new address for him. And although they were going out and searching these places, they couldn't find them. But this was a new address. So I'm in the command post the entire time. I was the deputy incident commander. We didn't know any of this was taking place. So they weren't passing this information on to homicide. And although a lot of people think that it was a federal investigation because the feds came out, they eventually did become a federal investigation, but not for three days. It was we were the lead organization. We were the lead homicide investigations as an agency because it was a homicide investigation in our city. And we have, you know, that's what we do. We do a lot of those. And so this sergeant took that information and they decided to follow up on it and they headed over there to Redlands where that address was. Well, at the same time, some of our homicide detectives had got that information. I can't remember exactly how they got it. So they sent two of our homicide investigators over that location to see if there was a car over there or anything like that. So they show up over there in the Crown of Victoria wearing their San Bernardino PD raid jackets and stuff. And as they drive up the location, driving towards them is the suspects. And they see them and like, holy crap, that's the suspects right there or the suspect in the suspect vehicle. And the suspects were driving? Yeah, they didn't identify a female in that car at the time, but they knew that was the suspect vehicle because it had the right license plate. I mean, but it was like, wasn't it a big black like GMC or an SUV or something? Yep, SUV. Ford Expedition. Yep. So they have to get turned around to follow it. They get on the radio and we hear them say, hey, we found the suspects. We got the vehicle and they put it out over the radio. We're like, awesome. Because at this time it had been hours. I mean, it'd been several hours since the incident happened and we didn't know where these people were. And obviously, as a police department, you feel the pressure of we need to find these people and make sure that this doesn't happen again. But by the time they get turned around to get behind the suspects, they lost them. And they come on the radio and say, hey, we've lost the suspects. We don't know where they're at and we can't find them. Unbeknownst to them, those homicide detectives and unbeknownst to us in the command post, the narcotics unit had gotten there and they had, you know, five, six narcotics officers and unmarked cars. And they saw the suspects and picked up a rolling surveillance of the suspects. Unfortunately, they didn't get on the radio and tell anybody. And the reason why they said it is, well, we didn't want to get on the radio and maybe the suspects had a scanner and they'd know that we were following them. Well, they didn't pick up the cell phone either and call us and tell us. So, but in the meantime, the suspect gets on the freeway to head back in the direction of San Bernardino and they're surveilling them, doing like a rolling surveillance on the suspects. They flag down a sergeant from Redlands PD and tell them, hey, we're San Bernardino PD narcotics, you know, I'm sure you know about the shooting. We're following the suspects. We need you to make a traffic stop on them. So he's like, oh, my God, I'm sorry. So this isn't just ripping off a dope dealer who just did an eighth of an, you know, an eight ball, a Coke or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So he gets on his radio, alerts his dispatch, which we're not monitoring, you know, their dispatch because we got so much going on and we never do anyway. So even though Redlands is aware of it, we're not in the command post aware that now Redlands is going to make a traffic stop on this guy. So he finally gets caught up to the suspects as they get off the freeway in the city of San Bernardino and they start heading northbound on Waterman Avenue, which is a kind of a major north south thoroughfare in the city. And he eventually gets caught up to them and he turns on his audio recording. So we have an actual audio and I have it, the audio recording of what's going on. So he gets up there and starts following the suspects. Then he tries to pull them over and they turn and stuff. And eventually he comes out and they start shooting and it's the female, she's in the backseat, starts shooting at him. So he's taking gunfire. Of course, he backs off the suspects. I don't think they knew that there was probably about five or six other police cars around them just unmarked following them. And so eventually the suspects stop. He stops a distance behind them to create some distance. So he's not taking, you know, fire very closely. And then the gun battle starts. It's just a huge gun battle. Our officers jump out. They start, you know, kind of maneuvering around to put gunfire on it. And the driver, who is the male suspect, gets out and starts walking across the street while he's engaging our officers. And he is killed probably about 30 seconds into this. He goes down in the street. He's wounded, shot multiple times and he expires. But there's still someone who we believe that's alive in the backseat. And there's still a tremendous amount of gunfire towards that. You know, on the audio I have, you can hear the gunfire from the officers firing at the suspect's vehicle. And at some point somebody says, are they still shooting at us? And we don't know, but there's still more rounds going down range at the suspect's vehicle. We suspect, you know, I got the autopsy reports. That suspect in the back of the car probably had 20 gunshot wounds that would have killed her within seconds, according to the coroner's report. And we suspect that she was dead relatively soon in this incident, the exchange of gunfire. But the actual police car was hit and stuff like that. But what happens, what's interesting enough, and I didn't cover that, is that there's another deputy that comes into the scene. He drives past that sergeant from Redlands PD and places himself between the suspects and that sergeant. And obviously he's pinned down right away because he's in really close proximity to the suspects. And so that's, you know, he's obviously, you know, in danger and he's got to be rescued in this. But, you know, the craziness of it is, is that there's like, I think, 23 officers that fired rounds down range and probably, I think, five to 600 rounds or more that went down range that we could account for. And you'd have officers that, you know, during their interviews, I was 15 feet away from the suspects. And then we're able to do the course of the investigation, place them a hundred feet, 150 feet with a handgun shooting at the suspects. So, you know, a lot of... Only on TV can you sit back with a two-inch sub nose .38 from 300 feet away and hit the suspect with the first shot. It worked that way in real life. So it's pretty chaotic. And the thing is, is that there was a lot of stuff going on. So, you know, it's kind of like the fog of war, so to speak, because obviously there's a lot of civilians that don't know what's going on. And our officers are jumping through backyards to get to maneuver, to get closer to the suspect's vehicle and stuff like that. So we're getting calls from people saying, hey, they're in my back area. The suspect's in my backyard. And so we're constantly chasing these ghosts, which are actually police officers that are going through backyards and jumping over fences, because we knew that one suspect had exited the vehicle. And now we're hearing through witnesses that there is a suspect fleeing on foot and they're in his backyard and stuff like that. And then also kind of a funny aside is that there's a deputy who's in close proximity to the events going on and he runs a license plate that comes back stolen. And he gets in a pursuit of a stolen vehicle blocks away. And then we got the air support and they see the lights and siren thinking that's the suspect's and they're following the stolen car pursuit, thinking that's related to the terrorist attack. And so there's all this stuff going on around us that is taking place. And then our air support unit, the one thing that our sheriff's department does is they will actually engage suspects from the air with their weapons. So the funny thing is I have this recording that the pilot on the aircraft says, hey, if I lose you, if you don't hear from me in a minute, it's because I'm having to fly the aircraft and talk on the radio because my co-pilot is transitioning back to the back seat with his M4, because they'll actually get down low and use it as a shooting platform to take suspects out. And you thought that only happened in the movies. No, folks, it happens real well. But I'll tell you what, that takes some skill because you're in an aircraft moving, you know. Yeah. Oh, my. So what were most of the we know that the terrorists, they're armed, as we know later, they're terrorists, they're armed with 223. Most cops were what, 9s? You know, there was a number of officers that did have M4s, but most officers just had their sidearms. There was, amazingly, there was some officers who fired off shotgun rounds. And so we have these police cars that are between the suspects and these officers that were behind the vehicles, right? And I'm looking at these crime scene photos and I'm looking at, hey, is that a shotgun wadding? Well, that's 30 feet behind the officer's vehicle. And so it was kind of chaotic. You know, probably people had fired that probably shouldn't have fired just because they weren't in a position to actually hit the target, quite honestly. But, you know, when you get in a shootout, whoever fires that first round, it's like an immediate reaction. Everybody starts yanking that trigger. Well, what happened- It's like giving a standing ovation. Everybody looks around, but the first time somebody stands up, everybody's like, oh, yeah, I'm in. The officers engaged the suspect, and I should say suspect's vehicle, probably for about five or six minutes. And what would happen is you listen to the tape, is that you would hear somebody shoot and maybe they perceived that there was some movement in the vehicle and that they would shoot. And then all of a sudden you hear pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. I'm going to start shooting again. And then you'd have to get the sergeants trying to get control, saying cease fire, cease fire, cease fire. And I sent one of my lieutenants, who's a good friend of mine, he'd been involved in several officer-involved shootings, pretty heroic stuff. And I sent him down there to kind of take control of that scene. And he told me later, he says, hey, Eric, I've never been scared on any of my shootings that I've engaged in. He says, as much as I hear, and he says, it's not because I thought I was going to get shot by the suspects, because I thought I was going to get shot by another cop. And lo and behold, some of the police cars that are facing the suspect that have open doors that the officers use as cover, have gunshot impacts from the rear on the police cars. Wow, that and crossfire. I mean, a lot of people don't, before you pull that trigger, what's on the other side of it? I mean, it's a circular firing squad. Yep. I got to say that as many rounds that went down range, and there were people like pulled onto the side of the road in that neighborhood, kind of witnessing what was taking place. It was a residential neighborhood, kind of a wider street. But although we shot a stolen car, because it's San Bernardino, and we just have stolen cars randomly parked throughout the city, there was a stolen car shot, there was mailboxes shot, there were houses shot. Fortunately, there was no collateral damage or injuries to people, just objects. Holy cow. But my understanding too, was they attempted, they had either was non-functioning or malfunctioning, but they had another explosive they tried to use out there, right? Or was that- No, that was something that was bad info. They'd never had actually another device out there. Okay. There was something that was, I think someone saw it come off a vehicle or something, and they suspected it might be an explosive device, but it turned out not to be. And see, that's the problem too. You get these stories. That's why it's good to get somebody in here who knows about it, because people will run with it. We had Bill Sieroukas on and Jeff Nye. Jeff Nye was Montgomery County. Bill Sieroukas, U.S. Marshals involved in the DC sniper. And what's one of the biggest things of the DC sniper? White panel van. Everybody started, you take a story, it starts blowing up, it's anchored in everybody's mind. And that's the thing here is that's one thing we're trying to do is just drill down through this and just get to the meat of the matter, which is what's real, what's not. But I'm like you, I'm amazed with all the shots that went off. Other than the initial shooting, the 14 victims, the 21 injured, that nobody was killed out at that scene with as much lead that was flying through the air. And you know, back to your point about the white panel van, we put out that the suspect's vehicle was this black SUV. You don't realize how many black SUVs there are until one's involved in a mass murder. And there's one on every street corner. And of course, everybody, every officer in Southern California is making traffic stops on black SUVs, and it's taking place all over the place. But going back a little bit to, you talked about the explosive device. So going back to just before we found the suspects that engaged in that shooting with them, the SWAT teams had gone through. We had multiple SWAT teams that were going through, sweeping the building, clearing it out and stuff like that, making sure that suspects weren't there. And they had recently come out and they're trying to make a decision, do we need to turn it over to homicide? Because homicide actually hadn't initiated the investigation inside. And we're probably about four, five hours into this investigation, but it hadn't been made secure yet, so to speak. And there was a debate on whether they had done enough to clear that building out and turn it over to homicide. And then the officer involved shooting happened. And then as, you know, when you talk about the self-initiated deployment to the initial scene, now suddenly everybody that's on the perimeter, everybody that's engaged there, they know that the suspects are in that building. Now, I think there's no more longer any importance for me to be here. So everyone's abandoning the perimeter, they're running out their police cars, but there's so many police cars that if you got there early on, your police cars, you know, kind of like jammed up, you're the log jammed in there. So one thing that we knew is that, you know, we have one key that functions to operate all of our police cars. What we didn't realize sometimes is that some of those are keyed for other police departments too. So people would, you know, try the car that was the blast in line, whether it was from their agency or not, hey, this one works, I'm out of here. And they'd get dumped in a car and take off and self-deploy over to the other scene and show up. Speaking of a continuing rash of auto thefts happening. Yeah, exactly. So it was kind of a chaotic scene. But once that was done and secure, we said, hey, we need to go back in and recheck the interior. Someone said, hey, let's just go back in there and recheck this thing again. It wasn't until then that that original explosive device was found on the table.
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"Well let's go back and talk about this because once you get this, once you get, and this is, had you guys done much active shooter training at that point? It's very, it was something that, and I had participated as both the instructor at some points, this to limited extent, but also I'd gone through active shooter training. So we'd actually trained on that quite a few times. I mean, they would gone through it, uh, pretty regularly. It becomes something that, you know, I remember I was a cop when Columbine happened and, uh, you know, from that, obviously the Genesis to the, how we evolved in and how we respond to those types of events. And we were pretty well versed on, on, you know, instructing our officers on what to do on an active shooter incident. But in this event though, by the time you got down there, the shooting was over, right? I mean, by the time the first cops got on scene, the shooting was done, the suspects were gone? Yeah. So when the officers got there, that, uh, unbeknownst to them, the suspects had already left and, uh, but the suspects had, uh, driven by while the suspect, while the officers were there. So basically what happened is that there's a lot, you know, I have a lot of, you know, information about how it all transpired, but the, uh, the suspect himself, the male, he had wanted to commit a mass murder, uh, for several years. Um, and he had, you know, radicalized himself, um, over a number of years. He had had another friend that he had himself radicalized and they had wanted to do, um, a terrorist attack. They had actually had a bunch of different scenarios that they wanted to do. At one point they wanted to, uh, to shoot somebody on the 91 freeway, which is a very, very busy freeway between the nine, between the Illinois empire and orange County, create a traffic jam, which they didn't need to do that anyway. There's just nonstop traffic and then walk amongst the cars that are stuck in traffic and execute people as they're walking down. And that we won't name the gentleman, but that the one you're talking about has the Hispanic name. Correct? Yes. Yes. And, um, and so that, that never happened. And then they had an idea to go into, uh, to place some bombs inside of a, um, community college and then explode those bombs remotely. And then as people ran out that they would shoot the people, well, what happened is that there was a, I can't remember at the moment the name of the operation, but the FBI had taken down some people in the Inland empire that were planning to go, I think to Afghanistan. Um, they were radicalized and the FBI took them down and, uh, and arrested them all and it was in our region. And so it spooked these guys. And so they decided, Hey, we better go underground for a little while. And hopefully the FBI is not onto us, but they hadn't had a profile online at all. So, um, and over that time, the other person that you, that you mentioned kind of drifted away and decided he didn't want to be involved in that. But the main suspect still wanted to, so he had met online this woman who was living in Saudi Arabia and she's a Pakistani descent as well. She was radicalized and that was kind of an attraction for him to her. And then he traveled over there and he brought her back as basically a 90 day fiance. And, um, I don't know if, you know, no one knows if they had decided at that time to do a terrorist attack or they planned to do it after they got married and came over here. And when the evolution of when that planning took place to do that, but they came over here and, and you know, they had actually had a kid, had a couple months old by the time of the terrorist attack. And what's odd is that, you know, he, he's from here, he's, he's an American, his parents are naturalized citizens, but, um, he actually worked for the county and his coworkers that hosted Baby Shower for him and his wife, um, not too long before this incident happened, you know, so he didn't have a bad relationship with his coworkers.
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"So I said, hey, can you send this off to the FBI, the JRIC, the Joint Regional Intelligence Center, and see if they can get this translated and let us know if this is something we need to be concerned about. So he takes it and I give it to him and a couple days later I'm like, hey, have you got anything back yet? He goes, no, let me call him and see what's going on. So he finds out, they call him and they say, yeah, it's a snippet from an ISIL website and it's roughly translated, it says, danger, danger, beware, beware. So I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, but they say, it's nothing to be worried about, don't worry about it. So I'm like, all right. So I said, hey, send one of our TLO officers down there, have them take a report so we can just document the fact and what we did on this and stuff like that. So flash forward several days, I can't remember exactly how many days it is, but we would host some Chinese police officers, usually about 30 of them would come to our station and we'd tell them about policing in the United States and San Bernardino and stuff like that. So we're in that and we're on a break and I go walking down to my office and I'm sitting in my office doing something and one of my captains walks in and he says, hey, there's some shots heard down in the south side of the city. Now when I say that San Bernardino earlier is a very busy city, there is the south in the city, which is like our commercial area and it's nicer and you really don't ever have any homicides or shootings or anything like that down there. So it's kind of odd that we're having any shots heard down there. And I'm like, okay, you know, shootings aren't new, but that's kind of an area that doesn't happen, but it didn't really raise any alarms. And then literally a minute later, I'm walking down the hallway and the watch commander comes over the intercom and says, hey, we have an active shooter down at the IRC. Of course, that's not something that we hear every day. So I grabbed that captain and I said, hey, let's go down and let's see what's going on. And as I'm driving down there, I'm thinking, wait a minute, this is where we had that phone call or that voicemail message from earlier. And I'm like, crap. And I'm calling the sergeant and say, hey, what did we find out when the officer went down there? And he's like, I don't know, let me find out. So we get down there and I'm thinking, man, I hope I cross all the T's and dotted all I's on this and that we did everything that we were supposed to. And I get down there, we get down there relatively quickly and I don't hear any shots being fired. There's very few officers down there still yet. Our chief is in the meeting at city hall. We can't get ahold of him and we leave some voicemail messages. And we get down there and I go walking around to the back of the building. It's a large complex and it was always a big building. We didn't really know what it was, but we thought it was some kind of governmental facility. And basically what the IRC is, it's called the Inland Regional Center and it's a nonprofit. And what they do is they take care of kids who have developmentally disabled. So their parents come there, they give them training on how to help their kids and stuff like that. So that's what kind of facility it is. And I didn't know that until later. But we get down there, I walk around to the back and I see our homicide sergeant back there and I see a couple people laying there that have been wounded and stuff like that. And I walk in to the room and the alarms are going off, obviously it's the actual crime scene. And I come walking out and to be honest with you, I've been to so many homicide scenes that yes, this was a large number, but at the end of the day, it's just a homicide scene in my mind. And we're trying to secure the scene. We've got people already searching the building to see what's going on, where the suspects are, if they're still there. And we obviously didn't know that, but honestly, it didn't, you know, nothing to get excited about. Honestly, our cops knew what to do because they've been to, you know, some of them, hundreds of homicide scenes. It's just a larger number of victims. And so that's going on. And then I finally get ahold of the sergeant and I say, hey, what happened? And he goes, well, then the officer showed up, he says, hey, I played phone tag with that lady. I never got the report taken. So I was like, crap, you know, we didn't, hopefully we didn't miss something on this. Well, as much as I was crapping the people down at Jayrick that actually had the information that we gave them and processed it, you know, I think they had diarrhea down there because they're wondering if they had done everything they were supposed to. And so at that time they started working out, talked to some people down there after the fact, and they said they started working it big time. And what I was told later was it had no connection to the IRC. It was coincidental. And it was one of the kids, an autistic kid that goes there that actually left the recording. So no connection, but obviously it's kind of coincidental that coincidental. I mean, yeah, because, because you know, that'll spin concern conspiracies, conspiracy theorists out say, oh no, you got warning of it. You were told about it. You guys ignored it, but it's like, um, and that's not well known. I mean, I've spoken all over the country about the incident and I, and I briefed different police departments on that, but that's not something that's very well known that that phone call came in, um, that report, not that phone call, but a phone call with the recording. And uh, but that, that did happen, but I was told out of the fact, well, and we're kind of fast forwarding, but did they get a, even though he's autistic, did they get a chance to interview? That was something that, uh, uh, the FBI followed up on and not us. Um, and they assured us it was not connected to the actual shooting.
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"So I hey, can you send this off to the FBI, the JRIC, the Joint Regional Intelligence Center, and see if they can get this translated and let us know if this is something we need to be concerned about. So he takes it and I give it to him and a couple days later I'm like, hey, have you got anything back yet? He goes, no, let me call him and see what's going on. So he finds out, they call him and they say, yeah, it's a snippet from an ISIL website and it's roughly translated, it says, danger, danger, beware, beware. So I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, but they say, it's nothing to be worried about, don't worry about it. So I'm like, all right. So I said, hey, send one of our TLO officers down there, have them take a report so we can just document the fact and what we did on this and stuff like that. So flash forward several days, I can't remember exactly how many days it is, but we would host some Chinese police officers, usually about 30 of them would come to our station and we'd tell them about policing in the United States and San Bernardino and stuff like that. So we're in that and we're on a break and I go walking down to my office and I'm sitting in my office doing something and one of my captains walks in and he says, hey, there's some shots heard down in the south side of the city. Now when I say that San Bernardino earlier is a very busy city, there is the south in the city, which is like our commercial area and it's nicer and you really don't ever have any homicides or shootings or anything like that down there. So it's kind of odd that we're having any shots heard down there. And I'm like, okay, you know, shootings aren't new, but that's kind of an area that doesn't happen, but it didn't really raise any alarms. And then literally a minute later, I'm walking down the hallway and the watch commander comes over the intercom and says, hey, we have an active shooter down at the IRC. Of course, that's not something that we hear every day. So I grabbed that captain and I said, hey, let's go down and let's see what's going on. And as I'm driving down there, I'm thinking, wait a minute, this is where we had that phone call or that voicemail message from earlier. And I'm like, crap. And I'm calling the sergeant and say, hey, what did we find out when the officer went down there? And he's like, I don't know, let me find out. So we get down there and I'm thinking, man, I hope I cross all the T's and dotted all I's on this and that we did everything that we were supposed to. And I get down there, we get down there relatively quickly and I don't hear any shots being fired. There's very few officers down there still yet. Our chief is in the meeting at city hall. We can't get ahold of him and we leave some voicemail messages. And we get down there and I go walking around to the back of the building. It's a large complex and it was always a big building. We didn't really know what it was, but we thought it was some kind of governmental facility. And basically what the IRC is, it's called the Inland Regional Center and it's a nonprofit. And what they do is they take care of kids who have developmentally disabled. So their parents come there, they give them training on how to help their kids and stuff like that. So that's what kind of facility it is. And I didn't know that until later. But we get down there, I walk around to the back and I see our homicide sergeant back there and I see a couple people laying there that have been wounded and stuff like that. And I walk in to the room and the alarms are going off, obviously it's the actual crime scene. And I come walking out and to be honest with you, I've been to so many homicide scenes that yes, this was a large number, but at the end of the day, it's just a homicide scene in my mind. And we're trying to secure the scene. We've got people already searching the building to see what's going on, where the suspects are, if they're still there. And we obviously didn't know that, but honestly, it didn't, you know, nothing to get excited about. Honestly, our cops knew what to do because they've been to, you know, some of them, hundreds of homicide scenes. It's just a larger number of victims. And so that's going on. And then I finally get ahold of the sergeant and I say, hey, what happened? And he goes, well, then the officer showed up, he says, hey, I played phone tag with that lady. I never got the report taken. So I was like, crap, you know, we didn't, hopefully we didn't miss something on this. Well, as much as I was crapping the people down at Jayrick that actually had the information that we gave them and processed it, you know, I think they had diarrhea down there because they're wondering if they had done everything they were supposed to. And so at that time they started working out, talked to some people down there after the fact, and they said they started working it big time. And what I was told later was it had no connection to the IRC. It was coincidental. And it was one of the kids, an autistic kid that goes there that actually left the recording. So no connection, but obviously it's kind of coincidental that coincidental. I mean, yeah, because, because you know, that'll spin concern conspiracies, conspiracy theorists out say, oh no, you got warning of it. You were told about it. You guys ignored it, but it's like, um, and that's not well known. I mean, I've spoken all over the country about the incident and I, and I briefed different police departments on that, but that's not something that's very well known that that phone call came in, um, that report, not that phone call, but a phone call with the recording. And uh, but that, that did happen, but I was told out of the fact, well, and we're kind of fast forwarding, but did they get a, even though he's autistic, did they get a chance to interview? That was something that, uh, uh, the FBI followed up on and not us. Um, and they assured us it was not connected to the actual shooting.
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"Well, but you think about it. So I think back to Chief Brown when he was chief of Dallas and those five, the DART and the Dallas officers were killed. And he used the robot with an explosive to take out the guy. People, oh, what'd you use? Did, use of force is use of force. You shouldn't kill cops. You are bought and paid for. I don't care if it's napalm. I don't care if it's a bomb. I don't care if it's getting your ass run over by a car. It's if it's time to take you out, it's time to take you out by any means available. Absolutely, yep. And Alex Collins' episode was 24 for those who haven't heard it yet. It's very empowering. Yep, so, and I didn't know Alex. I've met him since then, but didn't know him at the time. But I knew Jeremiah, so personally. You wanna talk about a recovery story about what he went through, the injuries he had and what he's, we met him, like I said, we ran into him again out at the gang conference. The dude, I mean, he fucking physically fit as hell. I mean, nothing slowed him down. He still has days with his drop foot and there's some injuries and stuff, but man, it's us saluting him again. Well, let's, cause that leads into it, what we wanna talk about. So there's gonna be another shooting. And this one had a lot of impact just simply because of not only the number of people that were killed and injured, but some of the national security issues that were raised because of their use of the iPhone. So it's December 2nd, 2015. So the, and you know what, we have a policy. We're not gonna name the pieces of shit. So we don't name their names, but it was a man and a woman, designated FBI, call it a terrorist attack. So walk us through that day. What were you doing? What's your role? What's going on? Yeah, flash forward to 2015. I'm now the assistant police chief for the department. And on that particular day, well, let me go back a couple of days before that, a few days before. And I'm in my office and my executive assistant comes in and she says, hey, I've got this, the executive assistant down at the IRC, the Inland Regional Center is called, and she's got this strange voicemail on her recording. And she's wondering if she should be concerned about this. It's all in Arabic. And she was able to forward it to us. So I listened to it. Of course, I don't speak Arabic, so I can't understand it. So I call in one of our sergeants who manages the TLO program for us, a terrorism liaison officer program, which kind of gives some officers some training to kind of what to look for in a terrorist stuff and kind of pass it on to the FBI and some of the federal partners. So I said, hey, can you send this off to the FBI, the JRIC, the Joint Regional Intelligence Center, and see if they can get this translated and let us know if this is something that we need to be concerned about. So he takes it and I give it to him. And a couple days later, I'm like, hey, have you got anything back yet? He goes, no, let me call him and see what's going on. So he finds out, they call him. They say, yeah, it's a snippet from an ISIL website, and it's roughly translated. It says, danger, danger, beware, beware. Hey, players, that is the end of part one. Part two comes out, as always, on Tuesday. In the meantime, go check us out at Game of Crimes on Twitter, at Game of Crimes podcast on Facebook and the Instagram. Also, go check out our website, gameofcrimespodcast.com. We've got a lot more information there, including our book list. Any book written by our guests will be listed there. In the meantime, go check us out also, patreon.com slash Game of Crimes. It's where we put a lot more content you won't hear on our regular podcast. We go into a lot more topics, and folks, it is a lot of fun. So go check us out, patreon.com slash Game of Crimes. In the meantime, everybody stay safe. We'll see you tomorrow for part two.
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"It's the taxpayers that are paying for it. And they just have a huge budget and they just approve it. And it just gets done. That's the way it should be. So I don't have any complaints. Yeah, well, and it's come a long ways too from what it used to be too. But we got to take care of the war fighters, men and women, and some of these significant injuries. It's like you want good VA care. So your first day, you were still a Marine on active duty. So, but they're San Bernardino County and then you were San Bernardino City police. How big of a, give us some context now. Let's start talking about this. How big is San Bernardino County? How big's the city? How big was your PD? I can't remember how many square miles the county- Population-wise, yeah. The county is several million, but it's by landmass, it's the largest county in the United States. So it's bigger than some of the small states back East. It's just huge. It goes all the way from San Bernardino to drive North to Vegas. I can drive for four hours and still be in the County of San Bernardino. And the same is- I'd add here in Northern Virginia, but you would, in four hours, you would go from Virginia through DC, through Delaware, through Maryland, through Pennsylvania. You could do West Virginia. You could do all that in four hours. And the thing is, most of the county is desert. So there's nothing out there in those areas, but it's just a tremendous amount of landmass. It's just huge. It's over 20,000 square miles. It's huge. So the Sheriff's Department has one of the largest air fleets. I think they have probably 10, 12 helicopters. They need to flex the Alaska State Troopers, man. If you're gonna go somewhere, it's a two-hour trip. If you're by car, you gotta cut it down. But the city of San Bernardino is located West in the Western portion of the county, which is the large population base. So we have about, in the metropolitan area for the city where we're at just East of Los Angeles, about 50 miles, is about 2.5 million population. So it's a large population area, but the rest of the county is pretty sparsely populated. So about what, 2,000, 2,500 on the PD? No, no. So the city itself, we have about, when I started, it was about 185,000 population. It's grown to about 230 now. But at the time, at the largest, the police department for Sworn was about 350. Okay, I was thinking, okay, so you were talking about the metro area, though, it's about like 2.5 million. Okay, but the city itself, about 200,000, so. Well, I'm looking at a map here. I'm looking here at a map of the county, and I mean, it goes all the way to the Nevada state line. And the Arizona state line, yep. Wow. Dang. So let's talk about you as a youth, right? So you go through the academy. Are there interesting, any interesting stories we should know about you and the academy, Eric? Knowing that we have done, we have reached out to our contacts. You know, I don't know that, you know, having gone through bootcamp in the Marine Corps, which, you know, they considered that academy, police academy I went to as a stress academy, but it's nothing like going through Marine Corps bootcamp, of course. And you got to go home at night, right? And you're off on the weekends. So with the most- Just like Marine Corps bootcamp. Yes, exactly. The craziest thing that I'm standing there, and, you know, the first day, for example, you talk about that. And it's, the first thing for me was, it's July in San Bernardino, and I grew up on the coast, and it's like 105, 107 degrees. So it's super, super hot. And, but we're standing there in the formation, and the TAC officers are yelling at us, and I start seeing a few people here and there pick up their stuff and walk off. They're quitting. And I'm like- I'm looking at these guys out of the side of my eye, and I'm like, are they seriously walking off? I said, they're getting paid good money. I got paid, initially in the Marine Corps, like $500 to go to bootcamp a month. So we're getting paid, you know, several thousand dollars. I said, this is a piece of cake. And it's surprising that, and some of those were, they weren't Marines, but some of them were in the military. I won't say what branch. I wouldn't want to disparage that sister agency. We all know which branch. But people would walk off, and I couldn't believe it that they couldn't handle the, you know, they're trying to pile on the stress. But to me, it wasn't really that much stress. If they got upset because somebody yelled at them, what's going to happen when they get on the street? Exactly. And that's part of the reason for getting yelled at is they're trying to get those people out before they ever get into- Sarge, this bad guy hurt my feelings. But, you know, for me, the Academy, I mean, other than being, you know, not that long, it wasn't anything that I hadn't really had exposure to before. I think they put me in charge one day to, you know, as the class sergeant, and you're responsible for, like, getting people in the classroom and marching them to and from locations. And most of us Marines, when we got out there, you know, we knew how to give the right face, left face, and, you know, forward march, and even know how to call cadence. And we got fired very quickly because it wasn't any fun, because what are they going to yell at? We knew what we were doing. But it's those people who are civilians that never had that exposure, that typically stayed longer as a class sergeant, and they suffered more because of it. But, you know, you just kind of keep that low profile in the Academy. I never tried to, you know, make myself known, kind of like what you try to do in bootcamp, right? Shrink into the background. Lesson I learned too, never volunteer for anything. Absolutely. Although I did volunteer in bootcamp for something. And it's a funny story, if you go back to bootcamp, is between, after you do the rifle range in the Marine Corps, there's like a break, and they either go on mess duty, guard duty, or whatever. And so the first day, I can't remember what we were doing, but they had taken these Marines, these privates, they're not Marines yet, they're just recruits, and they had graveyard mess duty. And so one of my Iraq mates was one of those Marines, and one of the Marines that went on that duty, for some reason couldn't do it, they needed to add it, and he goes, hey, I'm gonna volunteer you, go ahead and volunteer for this, you're not gonna regret it. So I said, okay, I'll volunteer for it. So as the mess hall was closing tonight, we would go down there as the night privates for the mess hall, and still the drill instructors there, everybody's going on, and then as soon as it shut down, everybody was gone, there was just basically a corporal in charge. You say, hey, you guys can go ahead and sleep, do whatever you want, and I'll wake you up before they come back in the morning. And so we had access to like all the refrigerators, all the sweets and stuff, he goes, hey, if you wanna make something, a burger, do whatever you want, you can do it. So we're like gorging ourselves on cake, and cooking hamburgers at night, and then sleeping in the chow hall, and acting like we were tired in the morning when they came back, and if you go back and sleep in the barracks during the day, so it's kind of a fun, only time I ever volunteered. Yeah, I made that mistake one time, a volunteer, and they come out and they say, hey, we need some drivers, and when I was going through Fort Leonard Wood, every now and then you would get asked to like drive a pickup truck of supplies from one location to the other. So stupidly, I raised my hand, I ended up driving a wheelbarrow for most of the afternoon, moving bricks and dirt. Right, you gotta be careful what you ask for sometimes. You know, I volunteered to co-host a podcast, and now I'm stuck with Morgan, look at this. Nobody asked you, Murph. I gotta get a shot in when you can see me. Yeah, you did. So let's get into your career now. So you have now, you're a fully sworn San Bernardino police officer. Everybody starts off working the road, right? So what's it like working the road in the mean streets of SB? So, you know, I didn't know anything about San Bernardino, but what I quickly found out is that San Bernardino is what we call a very busy city, and that first year I was on patrol, and you know, after the field training program, obviously, but I'm on patrol, and that first year, we had about 85 murders, so 85 homicides, and you're literally going from call to call all day long. Was that a good number or a bad number for San Bernardino? I mean, what was the regular? Well, the politically correct side of me is saying even one murder is a bad number, but for policing, if you want to be a cop then seeing a lot of stuff, I can't say there in the course of my career in 30 years that there was ever very many true victims. I mean, there were absolutely people that were victims and shouldn't have ever been murdered, but for the most part, it has a lot of gangs in San Bernardino, and this is gang members, and today's victims is tomorrow's suspect if they survive, and vice versa. So you're basically running from call to call to these gang members and drug dealers that have shot and killed each other, and that's pretty much what it is. And of course, in the early 90s, he still had the crack wars going on, and so it was just a tremendous amount of warfare between rival gangs over drug territory. I just looked up about the crime rate in San Bernardino, and it looks like the average about 46 murders a year now. So you're hitting 81, that was quite a bit. This year, they're down a little bit, but I think my last year were in the 80s, 70s or 80s, and that's just two years ago. Who were the main gangs down there that you were dealing with? So we have a lot of homegrown gangs. So you see, I have the Crips and the Bloods, but we have the California Gardens, what we call it was a Crip set. Then we had rival gangs that literally lived like a block away, but they're blood sets. And then we have a lot of generational Hispanic gangs that you see, and of course, they're flicked up and somewhat controlled by the Mexican Mafia. And as you guys would know that, you wonder how these guys in prison have control over these guys on the street, but all these gang members on the street know that at some point they're gonna go to prison. So, and if they don't abide the rules, then they're gonna pay the price when they go to prison and they all go to prison. You should mention that. We just did, because of where we met your brother at and out at Southern California gang conference, we just did our first ever two-timer, Ramon Mundo Mendoza, an OG Mexican Mafia guy in prison. I mean, yeah, exactly what you're saying is how can they have control over everything? And dude, he laid it out. I mean, in our second episode, we got into the homicides, we got into the way they control things, and it's like, man, they have got this figured out. They understand how to control people from womb to tomb, you know, and keep that thing going. Well, they know how to manipulate the politicians in California also. Big thing. Yeah, yeah. So we just have a tremendous amount of gangs, a lot of the city is traditional generational gangs. Just, there's just a lot of them. And so we have a lot of shootings, a lot of other associated robberies and stuff like that. So it's just a very, very busy city and you get to see a lot of activity. You lose track. I mean, I've talked to cops who talk about the one homicide they've been to in their career. And there's very few in my mind that stand out. And, you know, other than, you know, if it was a quadruple homicide involving like some gangs, and there's some pretty famous ones, at least locally for us as cops that we had. One of them was what we call the dead presidents. And it was pretty much a gang takeover. They invited a gang of associates, but they wanted a leadership change. And it was like a subset, but they murdered all the other leaders. And we rolled up on that. There was four of them dead. And then a couple other, you know, in the bushes shot and stuff like that. And, but, you know, that was just nothing to get excited about. That was just another shooting in San Bernardino. Wow. Just another day in paradise. Yeah, and you get, I would say you get somewhat numb, but it's, when you look at it as that's your job, we would expect to see that. And, you know, unfortunately we have officers that would leave on occasion to go to other agencies. And sometimes these officers weren't our most stellar officers. Sometimes they were viewed as being lazy. But when they went to the other cities and they got exposed to a homicide there, they were the ones in charge and they were taking charge because they knew what to do. And I'd hear back from those chiefs, man, this, you know, this guy came over here. Man, he is one of our stellar officers. I said, that guy? You know, it's like, it's like, yeah, he gets to the scene and he knows what to do. He takes charge. And, but, you know, that's kind of like the expected, you know, where I came from and they had a lot of exposure to it. So they, you know, a lot of training, so to speak. And these guys knew what to do. Speaking of knowing what to do, let's talk about that now. Now, did you stay, so I want to talk about, we talked earlier about, we're going to talk about a couple of things because we found out you have a nexus to the incident Alex Collins was involved with, with Chris Dorner. The, the, people want to say former LAPD guy. You know, I hate to say that kind of stuff because he didn't even make it off probation. I mean, the guy was not, not qualified to be a cop, but you were involved in that. And then we also want to talk about the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack, the two people. But up until that point, what was kind of your career path? Did you stay in uniform? Did you go to investigations? What did it look like for you going into the, before Dorner happened? Yeah, so I, and I didn't really have an active, I just was listening to it on the radio, but, but anyway, so yeah, I stayed in patrol for a number of years, went to some of our, you know, patrol assignments, like problem-oriented policing and stuff like that. And then got into the, what we call auxiliary SWAT team, which, you know, full-time, but then with, with about seven years in, I got into our gang unit, which also as a gang unit at the time functions as our SWAT team as well. So you have that dual status and did our gang unit for a number of years and the SWAT team along with that. And then from there, I got promoted to detective. And at the time, one of the sergeants that they had a vacancy on on the narcotics team wasn't very popular and they couldn't get anybody to put in to be his number two in that unit. So I got the phone call from the captain and she says, hey, congratulations, you're getting promoted to detective and you're going to narcotics. You've just volunteered again, there you go. And so I went direct from the gang unit to narcotics to work for that Sergeant. And it was like, hey, sorry for you, man, you gotta go work for that guy. And I'm like, you know, it turned out it wasn't that bad of an assignment. He was okay. But we have some funny stories about him, but he's still alive. So I don't know if I should tell those. Yeah, maybe not. It will embarrass him. You get those kind of phone calls and you feel that little bump in the rear. It's like, oh, here we go. But I worked what we call our street team. So we're more about volume. So we were doing about 10, 15 search warrants a week. So we'd work all week with our informants, go out there and buy up the streets, so to speak is what we'd call it. And then write the search warrants. And then on Thursday or Friday, start rolling out there and spend all day serving search warrants, knocking down doors and stuff like that. And so I got a tremendous exposure. And then we'd sometimes help out our majors team and do like rolling surveillances and stuff like that. What's your majors team? They would look kind of a longer length investigation. We're looking to get a higher volume of narcotics. So they would work maybe a couple cases over a month and then they'd get a much larger seizure of drugs and narcotics. I mean, drugs and money. To where we're doing our search warrants and maybe we're getting a quarter ounce of cocaine or 10, 15 rocks of cocaine. But our intent was to keep the pressure on those street vendors out there. And we do reverses where we do a search warrant on the house and take it over. And then we'd have one of our officers start selling drugs and we'd sell the cocaine to the guy and then we'd arrest him for possession. So, and we'd line up. We'd have like 20 people in the back room at this house where we're doing this reverse operation. Then when we're done to cart all those guys off to jail for possession. So it was kind of a fun assignment. The original takeovers were invented by cops. Everybody talks about, we're doing tequila takeover night. No, no, no, we did the original takeovers, come on. So we did, we had fun. It was a lot of work, a lot of hours. There's times when I lived about 45 minutes away from work and we were always about, hey, no matter how late we're out, whether it's two, three, four o'clock in the morning, we're gonna be back at work at eight because we ain't missing our overtime. We're not gonna come in later because we're gonna make sure we get paid all that overtime. So there were a few occasions when I slept in the office because I did the math and by the time I got home, I'd get 30 minutes of sleep and then have to get back on the road to come back and I'd rather spend it sleeping in the office. So we did that. And so I did that and then my buddy of mine on the team that was the corporal or the detective on the other teams decided to test for sergeant. We both got promoted to sergeant and went back of course to patrol, working patrol on our swing shift, which is from four to two in the morning. And so that's the busiest shift, so to speak, for the most part. And worked out for a number of years and I kind of got into politics, ran for city council and got elected, was a mayor of the city for a couple of years while I'm a sergeant on patrol. And then I decided I wanted to get promoted to lieutenant. Wait a minute, what in the hell? Did you accidentally ingest one of those rocks that you were, you know, what the hell possessed you to run for politics and have a busy job in addition to your other busy job? You know, you kind of look around and it wasn't obviously the city where I worked, but it was the city where I lived. And you look at these people up there and you go, man, they're doing stupid stuff. I can do better than that. And so I decided that I know how to run a campaign and I went out there, did it all, kind of bootstrapped it and then people kind of noticed and then all of a sudden, you know, people started donating to the campaign like what I said and got elected and it was a great learning experience. I think I learned a lot about how to manage things and how to, you know, how a city functions better because when you're a police officer, you really don't see the rest of these functions and know everything that happens in these other departments in the city. But as the mayor of the city, and it was a city of about 80,000, so it wasn't a small city, I got to learn a lot about municipal government and how it works. So, but I worked the weekends at the police department because I had a lot of meetings and stuff during the day and during the week and that allowed me that flexibility. But you also learn the ugly side of politics and stuff like that. And I'm like, man, I need to get as far away from this as I can. And so I decided not to run for reelection, but also because I was hoping to get promoted to lieutenant and that was gonna change my work schedule and my commitment to the department because I'm gonna have to be committed a little bit more. And I did get promoted. But in our, well, I was still a sergeant. I did work IA. I was the sergeant in charge of internal affairs for a couple of years and so I did that. But I looked at it as more of a learning curve and you get to learn a lot about personnel and how the personnel matters work, which is truly, if you wanna be later, be promoted and be an administrator, you need to learn. You can't just be the knuckle dragger on the street. You need to learn how everything works. You gotta have a well, I mean, that's one of the best people I saw. They always make for chief is you'd find these people who've been through command school. They worked every major bureau in their department. They would go apply at another location, but they'd say, yeah, I've worked everything, admin, operations, investigations, all that stuff. You want somebody who's well-rounded. So for you- So I was doing all that and as I mentioned earlier, I graduated high school early and I didn't have any college. And when I first started in policing, if you had a college degree, they're like, that's gonna be the chief because very few cops. Now in the federal government, it required you to have a degree, but not as a local cop. And so I quickly realized I need to go to college. So I started going to, I did a program to get some college credits at California Baptist University and then started picking up units at local community college. So I was going to school on days before I went to work and to get my bachelor's degree. So I obtained my bachelor's degree while I'm doing all these assignments at the same time. So I would work, go to two or three different community college, whichever one had the class I needed that fit my work schedule and then knocked out my upper division stuff as well. And at the same time, having two very young kids and being married and stuff like that. Brings back bad memories. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So flash forward, I get, at that time I get promoted to lieutenant and then as lieutenant, I run out to the district. So we have the cities divided up into four sections and each section has a lieutenant that's in charge and you're kind of like the mini police chief, so to speak. And so I had one quarter of the city and I was responsible for that. And then the next evolution was to move out of that cause I had done that for a couple of years and they offered an opportunity. We were going through some budgets. The city filed bankruptcy. It's one of those California cities that filed bankruptcy and we had to cut some staff but the city of San Bernardino being what it was, they knew they couldn't cut cops necessarily. And they did, but not purposely. A lot of people left the city because they didn't know what's gonna go on with their job and they'd rather go buy another job before they got laid off or something. But one of the things they did cut were a lot of the civilian positions. And one of those, we had a civilian manager that oversaw records and dispatch. And I always had my mindset that I wanted to promote. That was one of the reasons why I went to college and I didn't think I needed a degree to do it but that was something that you had to have on paper. So they said, hey, we need a lieutenant to take on records and dispatch. And so I'd never, and I remember flashing back in the city file bankruptcy, I was a lieutenant and I'd actually applied for a position as a police chief out in LA County at a little city called Hermosa Beach. And I moved all the way to the finals on it but I remember talking to the headhunter and he said, how many civilians have you managed? Because as a police chief you're gonna have to manage civilians. And I thought about it and I said, well, not very many. And so when that opportunity became available, I thought I'll take that, check that box off in my career path. And there was about 60 civilian positions that I managed. And so I thought that was a great opportunity to get that taken care of and did that. Not in this position that anybody ever the cop ever wants to do is manage dispatch and records. And then it's a whole host of different problems when you manage civilian employees. But let's talk about that for a second because I know you weren't like say directly involved but you were overhearing the rate of traffic but we just wanted to make a tie-in back to Alex Collins when we talked with Alex. And the whole Chris Dorner thing. Just kind of give us an idea from the inside cause that was actually the Sheriff's office that was dealing with a lot. But did the PD get involved? Were you guys helping out? Yeah, so San Bernardino actually is the closest city and police department to Big Bear. And so that goes down and kind of preceding it, if you reflect back, Dorner had come through Riverside which is the next major city over from us and where he had shot and killed one of the officers and significantly wounded the other. And we knew, well, we didn't know where Dorner went. So everybody's kind of like back in line, where's this guy at? Because he's came through Riverside and which is pretty close to us. And we didn't know at the time that obviously he had driven through San Bernardino because you have to drive through San Bernardino to get up to Big Bear. And then the events unfolded up in Big Bear and we're listening to it because we share channels that we can both go to that we can overhear their traffic. And so obviously their officers were pinned down. So our SWAT team went up there immediately with their Bearcat. Matter of fact, it was used to do some rescues of some of the deputies that were pinned down. To this day, we had that same Bearcat. It has a ding on it that he got hit by Dorner, he shot it. But I'm listening to the radio traffic the whole time and we probably had about, shoot, I don't know, 20 officers at least up there engaged in that incident up there to different capacities. And it was just, it kind of goes into the next incident we talked about where you had this just uncontrolled response from officers that are just here on the radio. Some officers are driving from hours away, not even telling their command staff that they're leaving their jurisdiction and going up there. And it's kind of like an uncontrolled mess, so to speak. Well, that exacerbates the command and control problem. I mean, you see somebody out there with a gun and all of a sudden you don't know, is the dude on our side, is he Team America? What's going on here? Yep, so our chief went up there. I was a Lieutenant at the time and I'm listening to it on the radio and obviously in our dispatch center. And at the end when, at the final part, and I do have a little bit of a personal connection. Jeremiah McKay, I was at the time a member of, we had to kind of get in our Emerald Society, Inland Empire Emerald Society up and running. And I was a member of that and we'd have monthly meetings and stuff. And McKay was our bagpiper and he was the officer that was killed up there. So. Yeah. And that's, you guys go back and listen to that episode, man, that is just, it's heart-wrenching to hear what Alex went through. And I tell you what, burning that shit down with him inside of it still wasn't enough. I mean, I would have dug his ass up, shot him again, burned him again and buried him for all the stuff he did. Yep. And being on the SWAT team, the funny thing is, is that you have to go through this incremental step before you throw in, go through all these lesser impacting tactics to get people out of a barricaded situation. And at the very end, you throw in hot gas, which burns really hot, it's real intense, it's real dense, and usually get people to come out. But you know from that, that you're gonna start a fire. You usually stage the fire department to respond in when that fire starts. But I remember listening on the radio, someone, I don't know who it is, and I said, hey, burn this motherfucker down. And I said, what did they just say? And all of a sudden they say, okay, it's on fire.
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"But yeah, so I started my last, it overlapped my first day in the Academy, I was still a Marine. I, just to put that in comparison, I did 26 years with DEA and my retirement is 46%. Yeah. You're 90. You know, being a Marine, retiring at 50% of what you couldn't afford to live on in the first place. You know, it's funny, we'd have a lot of, everybody wants to go to the federal agencies, you know, the three letter agencies, because it's looked as the premier thing and it's great. You know, I don't want to say anything bad about those agencies, but oftentimes those guys would come, they're assigned to task forces out in California, working with the California cops, which we do make pretty good money out there. You get 90% of a sum that's far greater than what a lot of police agents make across the country. And they'd look at it and go, how much do you make? What's your pension? And they're just blown away, you know. Well, I was talking to a guy at Los Angeles Sheriff's office and if you did 25, I think you got free medical for life. Is that right? It depends. You know, that's the union thing. Were you under CalPERS or a different- I'm under CalPERS. Yep, under CalPERS. But whether or not you receive medical benefits is dependent upon what you need to be negotiated, your bargaining group negotiated with your city or your county. So I got no medical, I go to the VA. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the height of efficiency in medical care. I have to say, I'm not disappointed. You know, I go there and everything gets taken care of. I've been very happy with the services. It's the same, no matter what the diagnosis is, the prescription is the same, take two ibuprofen and call me in on that. Right, right. I tell you what, I live in Orlando and the VA hospital they have out here next to Lake Nona looks like something out of Gotham city. It is one of the most impressive buildings I've ever seen in my life. It's the nicest VA hospital I've ever seen anywhere in the United States. Yeah, they've spent- I just hope the quality of service goes along with the beautiful buildings. You know, before I retired, we had a reserve and we still have a reserve officer that's a doctor at the VA. And I asked him, I hit him up and I said, hey, I'm thinking about going to VA as my primary care provider when I retire. I said, how is it? And he cut off the BS. He says, to be honest with you, he says, the last administration, he said, took to heart what the veterans said. And they spent a lot of money in the VA. He says, now we've seen even the patients coming here because they get such better care because it's not a managed healthcare system. And so it's not like they're looking at cost and profit and stuff like that. The VA, when I have an issue, it's like they do every test possible. And the cost is not an issue. You don't have to go back to the insurance company and ask for approval.
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"And I've been on landing craft, during different operations, doing amphibious assaults and in those very similar landing craft, like they portrayed on Band of Brothers and seeing that and then having been in it before going, man, I can't believe that those guys were heroes. That gate comes down and there's totally exposed to the machine gun fire. Fricking 50 calibers, yeah, coming at you. Well, I had the honor of meeting and I didn't know this for two years, the guy was so humble, but do you know the name Colonel Barney Barnum? Kind of sounds familiar, but- He's a CMH winner from Vietnam and he's the husband of the wife of, I was at a nonprofit institute, I was on the board, but so we go to a Christmas dinner down at Ruth Chris in Arlington and what does he show up with? He shows up with a CMH around his neck and it's like, you sandbagged me for two years, you never mentioned shit. And you know what? I will tell you, it doesn't take long when you've got a CMH winner. The line at Ruth's Chris in Arlington there, it wrapped around the corner, went down the stairs. Every Marine I think within sniffing distance, within a stone's, I mean, even way out outside, anybody within 25 miles I think was lined up to go meet him. What an honor to see guys like that. Absolutely, yep. Well, back to you now, back to our regular scheduled podcast. So you're over there for nine months. When did you actually get into in country out of Saudi Arabia and in country and get into some fighting? We, what was that? The ground or the air war started in January. January, where they started bombarding and we started moving our, we're already very forward deployed at that time. Somewhat the speed bump in case the Iraqis came in and to at least delay or prevent them from attacking further in. But we're close enough that they would drop every night, they would drop leaflets before the bombing campaign and then they were dropping the 10,000 pound bombs on the Iraqis and the leaflets would blow into our positions and we'd see them, I have a bunch of them. And then a lot of times after they dropped the 10,000 pound bombs and the Iraqis got to experience that firsthand, that they dropped these leaflets showing a B-52 saying, hey, we're coming back tonight to drop these things again. But if you take these leaflets and go head towards the American lines and surrender, and I guess they were so, those bombs are so just demoralizing that they knew that that would be effective. I saw those pictures. I remember seeing those pictures of them holding up the leaflets. Yeah, but those bombs, I mean, all the bombs, the ground just shook crazy. And of course, before they started, we'd have to get in position just in the event that the Iraqis came forward or that we had people that would come across and surrender. But then we did the ground war actually in February. And I still remember, we had a briefing and they expected us to suffer about 30 to 40% casualties. We were taking nerve agent pills, anthrax pills. I got inoculated for botulism and all this stuff. And then during the briefing, they said, hey, because amazingly, it's really cold in the wintertime. It had a very low ceiling because it was drizzling. And they knew that it wouldn't be- Well, you're from California, cold is relative. What do you mean by really cold? If you got below 50, what? Yeah, it actually gets cold with the wind and everything over there. It'll cut right through your uniform or your clothing that you're wearing and it bites. But so they knew they weren't gonna be able to get air in to medevac people out. So they said, hey, we're just basically gonna throw them in anthrax, which is an amphibious armored vehicle that can go land in the ocean. And we're gonna send them back to the rear to the medical. But we knew that we're expecting a lot of casualties. We had to go through two minefields to get into Kuwait. But I remember lining up and I have a friend that retired from the Marines that a lot of my friends retired because I was a second term and they stayed in even though I got out. And I remember we're online getting ready to move forward. And it's in the middle of the night, the night before the ground war. And I walked over to his Humvee and I just shook his hand and say, hey, good luck, see you in Kuwait City. And he still, I asked him, not too long ago, hey, do you remember that? And he says, yeah, I remember that. And he went on, he ended up serving in staying over to Iraq and Afghanistan and stuff like that too. But we moved in and amazingly it was, the Iraqis were dropping artillery on us as we were moving forward, shooting at us. But it was almost like they didn't know how to aim. And we suffered nowhere near the casualties that we expected. We lost some people or at least some people on our task force, we had some people wounded, I think about 10, 15 wounded in my company. But we were able to move forward and attack. Some of our detectors went off for chemical and biological weapons, which we were told were false. But to this day, some people allege that they were just told that we were, but that stuff actually was real activations, but we'll never know. I mean, that's probably secret stuff. But yeah, so we went in and we set up on the Kuwait National Airport, which was our objective. And they told us to stand fast that night because the allied Arab forces were gonna go and actually seize the airport for CNN. So we had to stand back while they went in. Wait a minute, seize the airport for CNN? This was a staged photo op? That was a staged, the actual taking of the airport was reserved for the allies and for the CNN, yep. And we were there, we took all the brunt of everything before that point. So they were nowhere near us when the actual combat was taking place. All governments participate in propaganda. Yep, absolutely. Oh boy, didn't they say MacArthur, like to get that picture, it was like two or three times. He had to redo it, waiting ashore in the Philippines, coming back. And even the raising of the flag on Mount Surabarchi, that famous photo, that was the one they caught was not the actual one that they did, they did it before and then they redid it again, so. Absolutely, it's much smaller flag originally, they got a bigger flag and redid it, yep. Wow, man, so, but when you were there, did you lose anybody, it's not wounded, but did you lose anybody? I did not, not in my company, not in my battalion, but it was a large task force and there was, I think we had an individual, they ran over a mine, there was a ton of mines and he got killed that way. But there were, I think it was about 10, we had a formation before we came back where they handed out some Purple Hearts and I think we had about 10 people in our company that got Purple Hearts. There were some Marines seriously wounded, there was an incident that I didn't observe myself, but there was some Amtraks with some infantry in it that was behind us, we were afforded that with the tanks and the toes, but we were bypassing it, there was an Iraqi that was unarmed, we were moving forward so fast, they said, just drop your weapon, tell them to drop the weapon and we'll keep moving forward and let everybody behind us mop up the POWs. Here, take this and go turn yourself in. And the people behind us were gonna mop up the POWs. So there was some Iraqis that were surrendering and there was some Marines in the Amtrak and their lieutenant told them to dismount and take these prisoners and right when they dismounted the mortar land amongst them and wounded a bunch of those Marines. What, mortar from the Iraqi side? I would assume so, I hope it wasn't our own, but. A friendly fire, yeah. But I don't know if it was or wasn't, but I'm assuming it was Iraqi mortar, but those Marines were wounded and obviously had to take back. But what's funny is as you see the old pictures and we had it on our Humvees as well, because you want room inside those Amtraks because you're just crammed in there with all your gear, you typically would hang your Alice packs on the outside and the Marines inside, they said they would hear the pinging of the rounds off the light armor of the Amtrak while they're inside. What's an Alice pack? You know, that's another acronym and I can't remember what Alice stands for, but it's basically your rucksack, your civilian backpack. Yeah, all your gear and everything hanging off the edge. Hey, now I know you keep mentioning toes, but were the javelins out then or was that? Javelin's a more recent thing. So the javelin is my understanding, replaced the toe. So toe is just an acronym, yeah. And I didn't realize when it came out, but I got to fire a few when I went through basic, I went through Fort Leonard Wood army side. We got to fire toes, but how accurate or did you have a chance to fire a few of those? Were they good? I fired quite a few of those, yes. Not as many as you would suspect because back then they were about $10,000 a missile. And I think 12,000, but if there was an inner round which had everything but the warhead, it was maybe a couple of thousand dollars cheaper. So you fired more of the ones without a warhead than you fired with the warhead. And since they were so expensive because they're $2,000 cheaper. No, I mean, but what would the inert, what would, without the warhead, what could you actually do with it? Would it just disable it or? It just wouldn't explode at the end, but it's the same thing. And the purpose of the training was it's wire guided and you have to guide it all the way. Oh, you mean in the training. I was talking about though, like in actual combat though. Oh, no, no, they're all live. We had a combat load. So, you know, I had- I was going, who's firing in inert rounds? No, no, no, no, no, in training. But no, we had so many missiles that we filled the racks that held the missiles in our Humvees. And then it gave us an extra two to throw on top because we anticipated such an engagement take battle. And we have guys in my company, a Silver Star recipient, Wow. that when we went forward and he, I'll tell his story. He later got a commission about the time he was a corporal and we're under artillery attack from the Iraqis. And he had a mule, a laser designator that we could designate the target for like artillery or bombardment. And he was trying to laze the Iraqi artillery and it was just out of range. So he ran into the minefield to set up in a position so where he could laze that and then successfully did that and destroyed the Iraqi artillery. And he received a Silver Star for that. But then he's gonna get out of the minefield. Yeah, very carefully. A Silver Star and then an ass chewing from the gunning right after that, right? Obviously there were some that were still covered by the sand, but the Iraqis had set those up and we were there for months and the wind blows out there. So a lot of the mines were exposed. You could see them. Oh really? But of course there's probably some that were still covered. So it was dangerous, but for the most part you could see them, but still. Do they put those out in a pattern or they just randomly throw them out there? I don't know how they did it. I never laid any mines, but I'm sure there's a technique and a way to do it to cover an area. But they put out thousands and thousands of mines, all sorts of different, wherever they could buy them from over the course of the rain over there, if Saddam's saying he bought mines. Yeah, well, Saddam and... So we had a guy on, Jeff Sandy was an IRS agent, but he went over after the war. He did the investigation on Tariq Aziz, the oil for food, the huge scam that that was. So that was interesting to realize. They weren't dumb people, they just weren't militarily. He was, that the war between Iraq and Iran for Iran for years is kind of what degraded them. But they were not dumb people, the stuff that they figured out how to scam hundreds of millions of dollars with the oil for food program. You just wonder why, but it's greed, man. You want one country, you want oil, and then pretty soon we got a little war going on. Yep, and they had some, I'll tell you this, people look, and they think that was somewhat a bloodless war over there in the Gulf when we were there. And while we didn't lose very many people, the Iraqis lost a lot of people. They had a tremendous amount of losses. I don't think that we ever kind of disclosed the amount of losses the Iraqis suffered during that ground campaign, but there was a lot of losses. For example, there was the second morning of the ground war, very low ceiling. You couldn't even see that far in front of you because of the fog and stuff like that. And I wasn't at the command post. We were on the perimeter, but suddenly they started seeing these tracer rounds coming out of the fog, and nobody saw these Iraqi tanks and this tank column coming out of the fog. And it was shooting at our command post. But there was the lead tank, and it was the Iraqi tank commander, jumps off his tank, says, I'm surrendering, but the rest of them are coming to attack. And then all of a sudden these tanks started coming out of the fog. And there was even cobras and stuff hovering over the command post, kind of like that scene when you see in Black Hawk Down that we're firing at the Iraqis and the shell casings are landing on the command post. But one of the guys in our platoon, several of them, this guy in particular got a Bronze Star because he had fired off a round toe at a tank, destroyed that tank. And then you're supposed to leave it armed, the actual missile system, because it cuts the wire when you open it up. Well, in his haste and excitement, he disarmed it, which left the wire intact into the missile casing. And he got kind of twisted in it, and he had to discard it, got rid of it, loaded another round in, and destroyed another tank. And Iraqi suffered a tremendous amount of tank destruction and loss. And we destroyed quite a few of those guys over there. Wow, that guy that jumped off initially to surrender, that's leadership from the front, isn't it? Exactly, he knew what he was facing. Apparently nobody else got the memo. Exactly. So you said you were over there for nine months, right? So what was it like? Cause it was, I mean, they called it shock and all, right? It wasn't that long of a war, but were you surprised it ended as quickly as it did? You know, we were, just in a matter of several days. It was very little sleep, moving forward, constantly moving forward into Kuwait towards the objective. And there were a lot of people that kind of wanted to continue on and go into Iraq. I mean, the army hooked around, I think it would be north of us, to cut the Iraqis off, but we pushed through and pushed the Iraqis back so quickly that the army didn't have an opportunity to really cut off the Iraqi army as they retreated back into Iraq. But there was a lot of people that said, let's continue on, let's go to Baghdad, you know? And I'm like- Shades of MacArthur, let's just keep pushing on, you know, let's keep pushing past the 38th parallel and take care of this. But I think the Iraqis had suffered such losses in the media, there was no, you didn't see any reporters over there. There was no cameras, no video cameras, anything like that. And I've heard or read that Bush was kind of concerned about the amount of Iraqi casualties and that it would look like we were piling on and he was concerned about that. And that's one reason why he didn't push on. Plus he had said the objective overall was just to retake Kuwait and give it back to the Kuwaitis. Push Iraq out back to their own borders. Yeah. Wow, man. So you do your time there. When you come back, you still got like what, another year, year and three months? No, I was actually involuntarily extended. So I was more than likely gonna go to the academy in October with my brother in 1990, but I got over there to the Gulf and they said, we're gonna be over here to the duration. And so a matter of fact, I went down, some of the guys who had picked that first recruiting class for recruiting school, all of a sudden they got orders. They had to pack up and they go back to San Diego to go to recruiting school. So I'm like, hmm, I wonder if I've got orders. So I go down to our personnel department and I said, hey, do I have orders for recruiting school? They go, yeah, you got a flight date in January and you're going back to recruiting school. But then in December, I think it was, they did stop loss, which meant if you're in the theater, you're there till the end. And my actual EAS was in February. So February came and left and I was still over there and had to stay for the duration. And it's what they call an involuntary extension of the convenience of the government. So I came back. Did that get you any favors for later? It does not. And nothing, nothing extra. Of course not, yeah. Yep. So I come back and the Marine Corps tells me, cause I've already reenlisted once, sold a lot of terminal leave cause I had just got married and you can only sell back 60 in a career. And I sold back 30. So I had more leave than I could actually take or sell back. Cause the Marine Corps says, you're going to be out in 30 days. Well, I'd called, when I got back, I'd called LAPD. My brother, I got back just before my brother graduated the Academy, got to go to his graduation at the Academy. And LAPD says, hey, you're great. You're going to be in the next Academy class, but we've got a hiring freeze. And that hiring freeze lasted for a year. And so I had to start looking for alternatives. And San Bernardino was recruiting on Camp Pendleton, San Bernardino Police Department. And I didn't really know where San Bernardino was. I do a little bit, but I'd never been there in my life. And they were advertising on the Camp Pendleton newspaper. So I applied and literally got through the entire process in a month and a half. And my last day in the Marine Corps, my first official day in the police Academy was my last official day in the Marine Corps. But you had no thoughts about extending and staying on with the Marines. You were just at that point, were you done? I was done. I'd already had checked out. I knew that I was going to be making more money as a cop even starting out than I was as a Sergeant in the Marines. Well, that says a hell of a lot about the pay where you can say, I'm going to make more as a cop. Yeah. Very few occupations you can say that about. And the pension was better. I remember everybody was always sold on the Marine Corps that you're going to get 50% of your income for the rest of your life. And at the time I started in police work, it was 60%. So I was like, man, this is great. I'm going to get 10% more in my pension than I would have if I was in the military. And obviously it changed over time and I retired at 90%, which is pretty phenomenal, I have to tell you.
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"Man, I'll tell you. And that's the best part, Murph is, you get all of the stuff brought to your door. We don't have to get up so we can continue to watch you. You can watch West Virginia maybe win another couple. I want to watch Notre Dame win again, right? So the way to do it, folks, you got to get this. You got to get Factor. Enjoy eating well without the hassle, really. Simply choose your meals. Enjoy fresh, flavor packed meals delivered right to your door, ready in two minutes. No prep, no mess. Head to factormeals.com slash GOC50 and use code GOC50 to get 50% off. That's code GOC50 at factormeals.com slash GOC50 to get 50% off. Okay, hey, let's dive back in with Eric now. Got through that. They pretty much said, hey, you're going to be good to go. And more than likely Jamie and I were going to go to the Academy together. Talked to my Sergeant Major. He was going to give me a little bit of early release on TAD to go to the Academy. And then I got orders to go to main side of Camp Pendleton to get screened for recruiting duty. And they're like, hey, you're going to recruiting duty. And I'm like, well, I'm getting out. I'm going to be a cop. Well, everybody tells us that. What class do you want to go to? So I picked the first class that was coming up like in January of 1991. And they're like, well, that's just before your EAS. So let's put you in the class after that. I'm like, okay, whatever. Well, just flash forward like a month later and Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait. And since I'm in a tank battalion and I'm an anti-tank gunner and this is going to be a big tank battle, my unit got deployed over there very, very quickly. And so I ended up spending nine months over in Saudi Arabia and then was in task force Papa Bear, which was one of the main MEC task forces that retook Kuwait city. So I was in that involvement and then I sat over there. Did you get to get involved in the highway of death attack where they took out all of that armor? No, that was an all up in the air thing. They took that out. But amazingly, when I read the history of our task force and what we did, although I was not a tanker, the tactics at the time were the anti-tank because we were mobile. Now I look around and think, man, we were side by side with the tanks advancing forward and we didn't have any armor, but we're involved in that stuff. But you look back and it was the largest Marine Corps tank battle in its history. And when you really look back during World War II when you had the last major tank battles, the Marine Corps was in the Pacific. And so there wasn't really big land warfare, maneuver warfare stuff going on in the Pacific. So, but in the Gulf War we did and it was the largest tank battle in Marine Corps history. Wow, because the biggest, the turning point in World War II was the Battle of Kursk is what they called us when the Russians finally got their act together and got enough tanks. And that's the first, I mean, significant loss for German and German armor in a battle. But yeah, the tanks have always factored in on battles, but did you ever watch the series, the HBO series, South Pacific? I did, yes, yep. How about Band of Brothers? I did, yep. Aren't those, here's one thing I learned about, well, that and also Saving Private Ryan, basically like 25% of the movie's budget was spent just on that opening scene on D-Day, when people are landing, they wanted to be so authentic. And my dad was a World War II vet and a Vietnam vet. He got out before Korea came back in. But I mean, I'm a huge World War II buff. And when I see that stuff, I mean, I wasn't there obviously, but it's like, but you're feeling it, you're going, oh my fucking God, just what these guys went through. And you think about the South Pacific and the, who was the Bastogne, John Bastogne was it? Yep, John Bastogne Medal of Honor winner, recipient. Yeah, he got the fricking Medal of Honor and then they brought him stateside to do some, sell the bonds and he said, no, I gotta get back into battle. That's when he got killed when he went back. And I think he was killed on Okinawa. Yep. Yeah. Received the Medal of Honor for his actions on Guadalcanal and then was killed in Okinawa, Battle of Okinawa.
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"I was in infantry school. And just to clarify, MEPS is Military Entrance Processing Station? Yep. So I was in infantry school and my class actually walked across the stage and got their diplomas. What year was that? 1985. Wow. That's nice. But I was in the infantry. Fortunately, I got the MOS of 0352, which is an anti-tank gunner. So I got to ride. Back when I first went in, it was Jeeps. And then the military transitioned, the Marine Corps transitioned over to the Humvees, which was better because when it was raining, we had cover over our head. So I did multiple tours. Well, it's funny, I went to boot camp in San Diego, but they sent me to infantry school in North Carolina. And then I thought, well, I'm going to be on the East Coast. And I got my first orders and they sent me to 29 Palms. And 29 Palms is kind of a miserable place to be as an 18-year-old. We've heard that from other guests who were former Marines, formerly on active duty. It's a shithole. Yeah. So I looked around and said, hey, what's the first platoon that's going overseas on deployment? So I jumped on that first deployment a couple months later. Before that, I went to mountain warfare school up in Bridgeport, and then went over to Okinawa. But as a Marine over in Okinawa, being specifically in my MOS, you get attached to different battalions that go on. So we went to Mount Fuji for three months. I ended up going to Thailand for a month because the Thais had bought tow missile systems. And so we went over there, trained them as advisors. Then I rotated back to 29 Palms. I got to get out of here. So I volunteered to go back to Okinawa for a year, went back over there, got assigned to 9th Marine Regiment, and then went to Fuji, went to Korea Operations, and then rotated back. And I had a year left. But fortunately, when I came back, I went to Camp Pendleton, and much better scenery than 29 Palms, and met my girlfriend, who became my wife. And then I said, hey, I got to do something. And I intended to be a Marine forever. So I submitted my re-enlistment package, and I wanted to go to Europe on Marine barracks, London, the road to Spain, Naples, Italy. And the Marine Corps came back and said, hey, we've got all those billets filled. You can go to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Adak, Alaska, Diego Garcia, Okinawa. I'd heard the horror stories from Marines that have been those places. I'm not going there. And so I talked to my career planner, and he says, hey, how about if I get you a spot as an instructor at the infantry school? I'm like, yeah, I can do that. Turned out that that had been promised by somebody else to somebody else. And so I ended up being a game warden for a year. And the reason that I took that was because I just got married the month I re-enlisted, and I didn't want to go on deployment the first year I was married. So at California game warden? On Camp Pendleton. Oh, okay. So you were still a Marine then? Still a Marine, yep. They had what they called FAP, Fleet Assistance Program at the time. And there was positions that the Marine Corps had that didn't have an MOS, and they would staff it with Marines from different various MOSs. And that was one of them. So here's a throwback. I remember what toast you, because you've mentioned TOW, T-O-W, Tube Fired Optically Sided Wire-Guided Missile. Yep, yep, it's an acronym, yep. You know, and you're talking about 29 Palms, and I've heard other people talk about it, and I'm looking and I'm seeing a lot of sand. It looks like a beach to me. I mean, what the hell's wrong with that? And they got this lake called Lake Bandini, and it's great. And Lake Bandini is where they send all the sewage, and when it gets 110 degrees, it kind of- Well, hell, you had all your shots, man. Don't worry about it. Exactly, but- You Marines are just never happy. Come on, man. Yep. So I got back from that one-year assignment as a Game Warden, and I started to talk to my brother, Jamie. I don't know if, I know you guys have talked to him. Oh yeah, no, we've met Jamie several times, yeah. And he's like, Jamie has always wanted to be a cop. And he's like, hey, why don't you get out of the Marines and be a cop? Because I only re-enlisted for two years. And the reason for that was that you can re-enlist a year out from your EAS, your End of Active Service. And then, so in a year, I could actually submit for re-enlistment. So I was due already to submit for re-enlistment when I came back from that. And I said, no, I never really thought, and now I had a kid. And I said, well, I never had thought about it. And he was telling me, he was dead set on going to LAPD and stuff. So he talked me into applying, and every month LAPD comes out to Camp Pendleton to administer the written test. So I took the written test, passed it. I went down, got a- Now, how did you pass the test? Did they have crayons small enough for you? Being that it's LAPD, the bar is not very high. So I was fortunate for that, and I passed the written test. Put an X in the box, raise your right hand, yeah. Exactly, so I passed, I went down from my oral interview and I got a 99 out of a hundred. And at that time, since there hadn't been a conflict and I wasn't a combat veteran at the time, I didn't get veterans preference points. So I scored high enough to process. And I went down, they have a similar process of like the MEPS station, where you go through these stations for physical and stuff like that, reminded me very much of going in the Marines. Hey, Eric, hold on for just a minute. Murph and I got to just take a quick timeout. So hey, Murph, guess what? What? It is coming up on fall. And you know what fall means? Fall means college football season, baby. 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"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"All right, you guys, you players, you play wretches, dudettes, amigos, amigos, everybody out there in between, hey, we've got part of a family affair going on here because the name McBride is synonymous with several things from, you know, one part of the country to the other. But we've got Eric McBride here. We did a good intro with you, Eric, but hey, first of all, welcome, my friend, to Game of Crimes. Thank you. That's it. You can see he's a man of many words. Glad to be here. You guys are studs. Happy to be here. Glad to be here. This is outstanding. You know, I love to be here. He still hadn't quite figured us out yet, Morgan. He's like, who are these two guys? I'm still a little starstruck. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know about that. No autographs, please, and no pictures. We'll talk about that later. Hey, dude, well, we actually caught you when we turned this on. I looked, it's like you're at a training session somewhere and I looked at your unmade bed. I'm going, that would never stand. Weren't you a Marine formerly on active duty? I was. I spent six and a half years in the Marines. Yep. So why is your bed unmade, Marine? You know what? It seems like the further I get away from the Marine Corps, the less and less of those habits that I lose. You're able to get rid of them, right? Yep. Well, hey, well, this is me saluting you. My son-in-law was a Marine formerly on active duty, actually served in the second Gulf War under Mattis. He was over in Afghanistan. So, but we're going to talk about that. But as we do with everybody, Colson Ulster, thing of ours, how did you get started in this thing of ours? Were you like hanging around one day and you know, you just decided to shoplift some stuff and the cops arrested and you thought, hey, I'd rather do that than go to jail, which you won't do these days. But back then we used to go to jail for that stuff. You know, I didn't necessarily grow up in a family of cops. You know, my dad, neither of my parents graduated high school. My dad was a truck driver. And I do have some family legacy on my mother's side, on my maternal grandmother's side that replaced chiefs and the last frontier U.S. marshal in California and so forth and so on. But my interest- Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no, no. You don't skip past that. The last frontier marshal and so on. Blah, blah, blah. Whoa, wait a minute. Let's rewind that a little bit. What was the last frontier marshal in California? You know, I think it was, at least that's on the U.S. marshal's website. That's with how they classify it. And he was the last Western frontier U.S. marshal. And prior to that, he was the Ventura County Sheriff. I grew up in Ventura County, in Ventura itself. And our family's been there since the 1870s in Ventura County and up in Ojai specifically, a lot of them, which is a small little town up in the hills. And he became the sheriff when my grandmother was a young kid. She was, I think his side of the family was cousins to my grandmother and became the Ventura County Sheriff, longtime serving County Sheriff, and then was appointed as the U.S. marshal for the Western United States. And then he has another relative that was the police chief in Oxnard and stuff. So there is a little bit there, but it was several decades before it became to me and my brothers and it became cops. Yeah. Now your family is like all over Southern California in law enforcement, right? Yeah. We got quite a few members at the Los Angeles Police Department. I have a cousin that worked for me at San Bernardino PD. And then my daughter works there as a civilian investigator. And so, yeah, we have a lot of family members that are police officers. And I can see the family resemblance. You know, what's funny is every time I see someone from LAPD, they kind of stare at me at first and they look at me and then they go, are you a McBride? He goes, is it that obvious? It doesn't help when the other McBride is on TV all the time too. So, you know, him and I have swapped spots on Fox and there's some other stuff. But yeah. I kind of decide by their reaction on how they ask whether I want to actually acknowledge it or not. And you got a couple of nieces in there too, right? Yeah, I do. Both. I have two nieces that work for LAPD as well. Yep. Absolutely. Wow. Wow, man. When we said Colson Oster thing of ours, this really is the family. They didn't decide to move in and take over. But, you know, going back to that, I never, you know, sure. I watched the cop shows. I think as all kids did at Myra, like Chips and SWAT and all that stuff. But that wasn't... Thank God. You didn't mention Miami Vice. No. Never. That was kind of a little bit later. They weren't real cops. Give me a break. Come on. Give me a break. There you go. Haha. But, you know, I wanted to be a Marine and I always did. And so much so that I graduated high school early. I had to take a couple of classes at a continuation school to get enough units to graduate early. So I enlisted when I was at 17 years old and I was a junior in high school. And there's a little bit of an interesting story on that. But anyway, so... No, no, no, no, no. You don't... I have to get to that. Okay. So I go down to the MEPS station and I had to get a... What's the acronym? It's... You know, I can't remember what it is. It's the military processing place where all the recruits go to get your physical and all that stuff to go into the military. And it's MEPS. I can't remember exactly at this moment when you put me on guard like that to remember what it is. But so since I wasn't a high school graduate, I had to get what they call a Will Grad Letter. And that's basically saying that he's a high school senior and he's going to graduate within a year because you go do a year deal at entry. But I was a high school junior. So I took the letter down to the high school. They crossed out senior and they wrote junior. So I go down there and I'm enlisted in the Marines and I want to be in the infantry. So I go through the whole day. It's a whole day long process. I get the final spot and the master gunnery sergeant, master sergeant in the Marines, whatever he was at that time, says, hey, everything looks good, but are you a high school junior? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, well, we don't enlist high school juniors. You have to be a high school senior or senior status. So they sent me home. My recruiter said, and I had a good relationship with my recruiter, he's like, you're a failure. You failed. I'm going to call you McFailure from now on. So the indoctrination starts early. So we schemed. And back then, I couldn't believe the stuff they got away with. Now looking back almost 40 years, but the recruiter used to give me the keys to the government car. And I used to drive all over town doing errands for him and stuff like that. I couldn't imagine doing that and giving some 17-year-old kid the keys to the government ride and letting him drive around town. But we waited about a month and the recruiter says, hey, go back down there to your high school. Tell them this is a federal form. They cannot modify it, line anything out. All they can do is fill in the blanks. So I go down there and see the high school counselor. I said, hey, all you can do is fill out the date of when I'm going to graduate. So they did. They didn't cross out senior, but I was still a junior. So I went back down to MEPS, did the whole thing. And I get to the very end and the master said, hey, weren't you here about a month ago? I'm like, yes, sir. And he says, were you a high school junior then? I'm like, yeah. And he goes, well, it says you're a senior now. Sign right here. There you go. So that was it. It was off and running. So I was on delayed entry. Raise your right hand. Repeat after me. So I was on delayed entry for a year. I was so motivated. I couldn't wait. And then I went to boot camp. But flash forward to... What did you do for that year, though? I finished up my summer break and then went to the first six months or whatever months of that first semester of my senior year of high school, graduated mid-term. And then two weeks later, I was in boot camp. I graduated boot camp before my class graduated high school.
Game of Crimes
"san bernardino" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Ola, ola, ola, amigos, amigos, players, playerettes, dudettes, everybody in between, welcome back. This is the follow-on episode to last week with Rick Prado on the 22nd anniversary of 9-11. We had a theme going here, we wanted to follow through on this next theme, and we'll tell you about that here in just a second, but first of all, welcome. As always, I'm here. I'm Morgan. I'm here literally with my partner in crime, and we're going to do what we did last time. I know some of you guys like small town police water, but we just couldn't bring ourselves to do that when we're talking about something as serious as when we talked about 9-11. And then this month we're talking with Eric McBride. He retired as the chief of police in San Bernardino City. If you guys remember, Alex Collins we had on was a deputy with San Bernardino County. His partner was killed, Jamie McBride. He was wounded by a piece of shit. We don't even want to mention his name. But we're getting into now the December 2015 terrorist attack at the city of San Bernardino. Fourteen people killed, I think twenty-seven wounded, and it just didn't seem right to follow on. You know, we wanted to have a couple serious discussions, so that's kind of what it was. So before we get started though, just a couple quick things. Head on over to Apple, Spotify, hit those five stars. Let us know what you thought of last week's episode. Let us know what you think of this week's episode. And don't worry folks, next week we'll get back into small town police water. Also head on over to our website, gameofcrimespodcast.com, our book from our prior guest, Rick Prado. You'll see that up there, Black Ops, The Life of a CIA Shadow Warrior. Great reading. You just got to get it. We've got everything you need there. Follow us on social media at Game of Crimes on Twitter, at Game of Crimes podcast on Facebook and the Instagram. But follow us on Patreon too, patreon.com slash gameofcrimes. We just recorded some great episodes. You can't make this shit up. We've got 9-1-1, Case of the Month. One rule we made is Murph never gets to pick a movie again. He has to submit it for review before we review it. I promise to do better in the future. Well, because you're on the hook for next month. All right. But guys, we have a lot of good stuff over there. Everything about, you know, we get into funny stuff, we get into serious stuff. Our Case of the Month has been recommended by you, the listeners out there. So head on over there, patreon.com slash gameofcrimes. Now this is a show about crime. We normally are fun and jovial because this is a show about crime. We talk about bad people doing bad things and bad people doing bad things to good people. We take the story seriously and that's how we're going to do it. This is not about us having fun and joking at the expense of a serious incident like this. So our next guest, Aaron McBride, like we said, retired as the chief of police, worked his way up from patrol officer, but started off as a Marine, formerly on active duty. He's got some good stories there, but he comes to us through another long list of people, a family of service, the McBrides out in California. He does. You know, our good buddy out in San Diego, Mel Sosa, made an introduction for us, got us to Eric. But the McBride family is well known in the law enforcement circles out there as brother Jamie, his niece Tony, and then Jamie's other daughter are all police officers out there that have experienced violence that, you know what, most cops in the United States don't have to experience. I'm not sure what's going on with the McBride family here, but you know what, they don't shy away from it and they don't run away. They address the issues as they come to them, and they're protecting their communities. Eric here was just the fact that, I mean, he's a trendsetter. You're going to hear him talk about his high school career, getting out of high school early so he could join the Marine Corps early. And his whole life is service to his community and his fellow man. And you know, in my book, there's no greater calling that you're willing to dedicate your life to work for the public. A public servant, I think, is a term of a hero. And that's certainly who we have on here today. And I'll tell you, again, we've got to thank our buddies out there, Southern California Gang Conference, Mel Sosa, all of those people. They're brothers to us. They get us great gifts, great gifts, great guests, which are gifts for things like this. And I'll tell you, you've really got to sit down and listen to this because one of the things that's going to come out of this is stuff that has not really been talked about in the media before, and you'll hear him talk about a call that was received. He's been briefing this to law enforcement. On the day of, he was the, quote, deputy incident commander, but he was the incident commander for all intents and purposes. And so he's not the one at the tip of the spear out there, but this guy has the overview of everything going on. You're going to hear things that went well. You're going to hear about things that didn't go so well. But we will never get to hearing any of this, Murph, unless I ask you, are you ready to play the biggest, baddest? And as we see in this episode, too, the most dangerous game of all, the game of crime. Absolutely. So everybody get in, sit down, shut up, hold on. You're getting ready to hear a story about an incident that I wasn't even aware of, a terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California. So Eric, tell us what's going on, brother.
Game of Crimes
A highlight from 116: Part 1: Eric McBride and the December 2015 San Bernardino Terrorist Attack
"Ola, ola, ola, amigos, amigos, players, playerettes, dudettes, everybody in between, welcome back. This is the follow -on episode to last week with Rick Prado on the 22nd anniversary of 9 -11. We had a theme going here, we wanted to follow through on this next theme, and we'll tell you about that here in just a second, but first of all, welcome. As always, I'm here. I'm Morgan. I'm here literally with my partner in crime, and we're going to do what we did last time. I know some of you guys like small town police water, but we just couldn't bring ourselves to do that when we're talking about something as serious as when we talked about 9 -11. And then this month we're talking with Eric McBride. He retired as the chief of police in San Bernardino City. If you guys remember, Alex Collins we had on was a deputy with San Bernardino County. His partner was killed, Jamie McBride. He was wounded by a piece of shit. We don't even want to mention his name. But we're getting into now the December 2015 terrorist attack at the city of San Bernardino. Fourteen people killed, I think twenty -seven wounded, and it just didn't seem right to follow on. You know, we wanted to have a couple serious discussions, so that's kind of what it was. So before we get started though, just a couple quick things. Head on over to Apple, Spotify, hit those five stars. Let us know what you thought of last week's episode. Let us know what you think of this week's episode. And don't worry folks, next week we'll get back into small town police water. Also head on over to our website, gameofcrimespodcast .com, our book from our prior guest, Rick Prado. You'll see that up there, Black Ops, The Life of a CIA Shadow Warrior. Great reading. You just got to get it. We've got everything you need there. Follow us on social media at Game of Crimes on Twitter, at Game of Crimes podcast on Facebook and the Instagram. But follow us on Patreon too, patreon .com slash gameofcrimes. We just recorded some great episodes. You can't make this shit up. We've got 9 -1 -1, Case of the Month. One rule we made is Murph never gets to pick a movie again. He has to submit it for review before we review it. I promise to do better in the future. Well, because you're on the hook for next month. All right. But guys, we have a lot of good stuff over there. Everything about, you know, we get into funny stuff, we get into serious stuff. Our Case of the Month has been recommended by you, the listeners out there. So head on over there, patreon .com slash gameofcrimes. Now this is a show about crime. We normally are fun and jovial because this is a show about crime. We talk about bad people doing bad things and bad people doing bad things to good people. We take the story seriously and that's how we're going to do it. This is not about us having fun and joking at the expense of a serious incident like this. So our next guest, Aaron McBride, like we said, retired as the chief of police, worked his way up from patrol officer, but started off as a Marine, formerly on active duty. He's got some good stories there, but he comes to us through another long list of people, a family of service, the McBrides out in California. He does. You know, our good buddy out in San Diego, Mel Sosa, made an introduction for us, got us to Eric. But the McBride family is well known in the law enforcement circles out there as brother Jamie, his niece Tony, and then Jamie's other daughter are all police officers out there that have experienced violence that, you know what, most cops in the United States don't have to experience. I'm not sure what's going on with the McBride family here, but you know what, they don't shy away from it and they don't run away. They address the issues as they come to them, and they're protecting their communities. Eric here was just the fact that, I mean, he's a trendsetter. You're going to hear him talk about his high school career, getting out of high school early so he could join the Marine Corps early. And his whole life is service to his community and his fellow man. And you know, in my book, there's no greater calling that you're willing to dedicate your life to work for the public. A public servant, I think, is a term of a hero. And that's certainly who we have on here today. And I'll tell you, again, we've got to thank our buddies out there, Southern California Gang Conference, Mel Sosa, all of those people. They're brothers to us. They get us great gifts, great gifts, great guests, which are gifts for things like this. And I'll tell you, you've really got to sit down and listen to this because one of the things that's going to come out of this is stuff that has not really been talked about in the media before, and you'll hear him talk about a call that was received. He's been briefing this to law enforcement. On the day of, he was the, quote, deputy incident commander, but he was the incident commander for all intents and purposes. And so he's not the one at the tip of the spear out there, but this guy has the overview of everything going on. You're going to hear things that went well. You're going to hear about things that didn't go so well. But we will never get to hearing any of this, Murph, unless I ask you, are you ready to play the biggest, baddest? And as we see in this episode, too, the most dangerous game of all, the game of crime. Absolutely. So everybody get in, sit down, shut up, hold on. You're getting ready to hear a story about an incident that I wasn't even aware of, a terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California. So Eric, tell us what's going on, brother.
Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed
Monitor Show 23:00 08-19-2023 23:00
"Interactive brokers clients earn up to USD 4 .83 % on their uninvested, instantly available cash balances rate subject to change. Visit ibkr .com slash interest rates to learn more. show. Remember, you can always get the latest legal news by listening to our Bloomberg Law podcast, wherever you get your favorite podcasts. This is Bloomberg Law on Bloomberg Radio. I'm June Grosso. Stay with us. Today's top stories and global business headlines are coming up right now. Broadcasting 24 hours a day at Bloomberg .com and the Bloomberg Business Act. This is Bloomberg Radio. Hurricane Hillary is threatening to bring heavy rain to Southern California in the coming days. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass has a strict warning for residents. Angelenos are urged to stay away from the shoreline and beaches throughout the duration of the storm. Southern California is under a tropical storm watch. The alert is in effect for much of southwestern California, from San Diego, the San Bernardino County Mountains, and on to Catalina Island. The federal government is launching an independent third -party investigation into the cause of the wildfire that's killed a confirmed 111 people in Lahaina. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives National Response Team is working to determine the origin and cause of the fire. The suspect in the murders of four University of Idaho students is fighting evidence from prosecutors. In a hearing Friday, defense attorneys for Brian Koberger had witnesses testify about DNA evidence and genealogy testing. Detectives used genealogy tracing to identify Koberger as a suspect in the murders. The Mexican cartels continue to recruit children to work as human smugglers. Michael Board reports.
The Officer Tatum Show
What's Wrong With Gavin Newsom?
"Gavin Newsom is an absolute disaster when it comes to California. I was sitting there thinking, listen, Gavin Newsom is going to challenge Biden. He's going to be the guy most likely, you know, God forbid of Michelle Obama or somebody pops up on the scene, but I don't really foresee that leaving all of her income and all that kind of stuff behind. Is Gavin Newsom still looking towards The White House? It's really seems hard to fathom. Given how disastrous he is, but maybe people don't understand how disastrous this guy has been. I think they don't. And the press just completely plays along with it. And sadly, even our conservative press over the last month or so, I was basically screaming my head off about something happening here in California. We all know he took off to Mexico when we had these snowstorms about what God ignored was that there was this mountain community outside of Los Angeles, big bear Lake arrowhead area San Bernardino mountains, 21 days these people were snowed in under 12 feet of snow. They normally get maybe 6 feet in a winter. So they have some equipment, but not for 12 feet that fall within 7 days. And people were snowed in. Even when they got the main roads, plowed up there, but then within the communities they couldn't get around. I talked to people who were trying to do relief flights out there like helicopter flights of supplies because grocery stores roofs valid so they couldn't get the supplies from there. And the sheriff wouldn't let them land because it was a disaster zone and they weren't government helicopters, but the government wasn't doing anything. Why? Because San Bernardino county voted to study seceding from California and didn't forget it.
AP News Radio
To the rooftops: Staggering snowfall in California mountains
"Californians are trying to dig out of the snow following two winter storms. Crews have been plowing the snow and San Bernardino county, but it could take more than a week to reach some areas, residents are dealing with as much as 7 feet of snow, officer D.C. Williams with a California highway patrol, told keg ABC that interstate 5 in the tejon pass near Los Angeles had to be shut down for the second time in less than a week. Ten years I've been up here, I don't think we've closed it like this back to back. Emergency crews have been shuttling food and medicine to mountain communities that have been left stranded. Meanwhile the state has been bringing in more snow plows and road crews to help clear roads. I'm Donna water
The Larry Elder Show
LA County to Keep Indoor Mask Mandate Through Deadline
"When I mentioned that health officials are lifting the statewide mandate for COVID masks in California, guests which county is not going to follow suit. LA county. Orange, Ventura riverside, San Bernardino county or lifting their universal math requirements. Beginning Wednesday? It's tomorrow. But public officials in California in LA county? No difference. The county lifted a mandate for people to wear masks at outdoor mega events. An outdoors K through 12. But indoor? Mandate for all people, regardless of vaccination status still in effect.
Ben Shapiro
2 San Bernardino Officers Injured in Shootout; Suspect in Deputy Shooting Killed
"While apprehending the man believed to have ambushed a sheriff's deputy On Tuesday. Two SWAT officers were wounded when the suspect urban Allah Kong opened fire on the officers were rushed to the hospital. One rushed into surgery, both expected to survive, as is the deputy attacked on Tuesday. Police chief Eric McBride says Ali Khan, a known gang member, has a very extensive, very violent criminal history. McBride saying the attack a sign of the Times, burgers, a police officer this year alone are up nearly 20% across the country and here we are in two days having three officers shot in the city, so I think that's something to be said the suspect was killed in a shootout with officers. Jim Rope K. ABC News A South
Encyclopedia Womannica
The Life of Bridget 'Biddy' Mason
"Mason was born on august fifteenth eighteen eighteen somewhere near hancock county georgia because biddy was born into slavery. The circumstances of her childhood are mostly unknown. But we know. She was sold to a family of enslavers mississippi by young adulthood. These new enslavers were robert. And rebecca smith farmers who made bitty look after their children tend to their livestock work the fields and act as a nurse and midwife for the family during this time he gave birth to three daughters of her own ellen and harriet. When robert smith converted to the new mormon faith he decided to pack up his family and moved to salt lake city with a group of other mormons. Of course biddy and the rest of the people. Robert enslaved were forced to come to in eighteen forty seven. The group traveled over fifteen hundred miles in three hundred wagon caravan across multiple states to get to utah bitty set up camp for the smiths cooked all. The food heard the cattle and acted as midwife all while taking care of her own three daughters though utah was still part of mexico at the time the smith family settled into. What would later become salt lake city. But soon robert smith decided he wanted to seek greener pastures again. This time in san bernardino california biddy. The smith family and the rest of their enslaved workers settled down near the santa ana river and set up a prosperous cattle business. There was just one problem for robert smith. Slavery was illegal in california. Robert tried to conceal this fact from the people. He had enslaved but the american civil war was brewing back. East and slavery was the major topic of the day. It was looking more and more likely that bitty would end up free at. The smith stayed in san bernardino so instead of allowing that to happen. Robert plotted to move the whole family to texas and to trick biddy into coming along
Mark Levin
Couple Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in Southern California Fire
"Couples facing eight felony counts, including involuntary manslaughter, among other charges in connection with the party. They threw outdoors last Labor day that started with a colorful smoke bomb and ended in a deadly wildfire that killed a firefighter. San Bernardino County D. A Jason Anderson. We thought that based upon the evidence, but not only the homicide division gathered working with US forest Cal fire but looking back to the origin of the fire. That's why the grand jury made a determination to charge involuntary manslaughter. Couple pleads Not guilty.
Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood
Misinformation About COVID-19 Planted a Seed for Online Anti-Asian Hate Speech
"Today marks one week since the mass shootings in atlanta that killed eight people including six asian women police have not yet labelled the attacks hate crime but we know that hate crimes against asian americans have been on the rise this year. Researchers at cal. State san bernardino at police data from sixteen american cities and found that anti-asian hate crimes more than doubled in two thousand twenty at the same time online. Hate speech against asians has also spiked as we think about these attacks. We have to ask. What do we know about online hate speech and how it translates to real world. Violence davey alba is a tech reporter at the new york times who covers misinformation. She's been following anti asian sentiment online during the pandemic it really started with a lot of the conspiracy is and misinformation around when the corona virus emerged and that seeded the idea that the public should be suspicious of asia and with the latest surge. In this last few months it turned into something more nefarious and it. Some of the hate speech and posts. That i've seen is really some terrible and vile stoff racists speech and a lot of it also included calls to violence against asians and have researchers been able to directly link. Those two things hate speech and the calls violence that we see online and the actual violence that we're seeing rise in the real world so what we do know. Is that the increase in volume of hate speech. Online as statistical predictor of real life violence. We've also seen that. Misinformation is linked to hate speech for instance. There's a study that came out month and it found that users who adopted the hashtag chinese fires were far more likely to pair it with overly racist hashtags. So you know you can kind of see that arc now of misinformation going to hate speech and going into real world violence. Let's talk about where this hate. Speech is popping up. Do we see different kinds of things depending on the platform. Yes we do these. These posts are in different places online. as i mentioned there in the most extremist corners of the internet so there are some telegram channels that i've seen that are dedicated to just making fun of asians and i'm kind of using a euphemism there. It's much more vile than just making fun. They use slurs. They use memes. Glorifying violence against asians and they sort of make it into a joke. Worth all. Turn it into a cartoon. But i've seen you know cartoons of asians being accused by hanging I've seen posts of pictures from the malay massacre where american soldiers are stomping on vietnamese people. And all of that stuff is glorified and pointed at as justified. Because you know people say this is rightful responses to the world having to deal with the pandemic that originated in china. I wonder what role the platform should be playing here. I know for instance. Facebook has a policy to take down posts that pose imminent harm but it seems like that could be hard to prove exactly and a lot of people who all misinformation nowhere the lines are so they get right up close to it and use certain tricks to sort of wink at these racist ideas or to spread misinformation but don't quite crossed the line. Sometimes it's not a straight line to harm but dotted one and there's stuff that skates really close to these notions that remain up and still contribute to this toxic conversation online. Davey alba is tech reporter at the new york times covering misinformation
Morning Edition
Los Angeles, Orange, San Bernardino Counties Move Into Less Restrictive Red Tier Sunday
"To head lower in California and more counties in the state are moving into the red tier of the state's reopening framework. His case here. W Matt Dillon, reports Ella Orange and San Bernadino counties have shifted out of the most restrictive purple tear into red as of today. Over the weekend, L. A county logged 1437 new covert cases and 70 deaths link to the virus. Two months ago to the day January, 15th, the county saw just over 9700 new daily cases and 276 fatalities. Progress in the right direction means starting today, Angelenos can again dine inside, Go to the gym or even sit in a movie theater and watch a film. Of course, All of those things are being done today strictly limited capacity. Officials across the region have a consistent message, although the red tear means a bit more liberty Now is not the time to drop your guard urging continued vigilance, caution and mask wearing Orange County and San Bernadino have also loosen restrictions. Tempering that good news San Bernadino County health officials announced yesterday the state's first case of the Brazilian covert variant was detected there. Man is in his forties unvaccinated and is in touch with contact tracers. KCRW. I met
Chicago Tonight
Anti-Asian hate crimes increased by nearly 150% in 2020
"New report says anti-asian hate crimes in sixteen of america's largest cities increased by nearly one hundred and fifty percent in two thousand twenty compared to the previous year that report by the center for the study of hate and extremism at california state university. San bernardino looked at preliminary police data and major cities which showed initial spikes of anti-asian hate crimes reported in twenty twenty during march and april. The racial stereotyping in violence. Follow disinformation tied to the covid. Nineteen pandemic now. Local efforts are underway to motivate others to step in against discrimination. Joining us are anti-king. Executive director of the nonprofit asian americans advancing justice chicago professor brian levin director of the center for the study of hate and extremism at california state university san bernardino and timur abu zayd staff attorney of care chicago nonprofit muslim civil rights organization. Thanks to all of you for joining us tonight. brian levin. Let's start with you please. Your center surveyed police departments in several major cities and found an overall increase in anti asian hate crimes in twenty twenty compared to the year. Before what do you see is behind this increase. Thank you so much for. Have me a great question. I think there are things behind it and we've seen this happen again and again. One is a catalytic event or a set of incremental ones that identified a certain group as legitimate targets for aggression. But here's the thing and we've seen this over the last decade or so in particular once we have that dry kindling. How president response to this condition makes a big difference. We saw crime decline after president. Bush tartly of muslims six days after nine eleven but conversely what we saw with the attack on san bernardino a twenty three percent increase above the level of aid crime that we saw from the terror attack with family trump spoke of the muslim ban. Five days later. So i think it's a combination of two things one cadillac event. And then how are people of goodwill leaders respond because you stereotyped and conspiracy them all wrapped in this and we have to add stone. And i rose on it not an
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
Los Angeles - Small Plane Crashes Near San Bernardino International Airport, Pilot Hospitalized
"The national transportation safety board is investigating another small plane crash in southern california yesterday. According to reports a single engine plane went down behind some buildings near the san bernardino airport. The pilot who's hospitalized had experienced engine failure. No one on the ground was hurt on thursday. The pilot of a small plane was killed when his aircraft crashed in a residential neighborhood of los angeles.
All Things Considered
No Burn Alert Issued For Saturday In Orange, Los Angeles, Riverside and San Bernardino counties
"At night, or at least Southern California's idea of freezing, but you were going to have to forego your fireplace tomorrow. That's because the South Coast Air Quality Management District has put out a no burn alert. That means residents who live in parts of Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside and San Bernadino counties are banned from indoor and outdoor wood burning. It's due to a forecast of high air pollution in the area, find particles in wood smoke and get deep into the lungs and cause respiratory problems such as asthma. The alert is in effect through midnight on Saturday. Those who are cut with fires during the band could face penalties of up to $500.
How I Built This
Interview With Dave Anderson Of Famous Dave's
"So, most of the biggest restaurant chains started in small places McDonald's was born in San Bernardino California Domino's in Epsilon t Michigan Sonic Shawnee Oklahoma Arby's Boardman Ohio. There are a number of reasons why this is the case there's usually less competition. The rent is lower, and if white you're offering is new or different people will stand in line for it as they did at the original boardwalk fries in ocean city Maryland which is now a franchise company with more than one hundred locations nationwide they stood in line the chicken. Salad Chicken Auburn Alabama up which now has one hundred forty stores same with five guys in Arlington, Virginia and empire of more than fifteen hundred locations today, and as you will hear in the mid nineteen, ninety s people came from far and wide for some of the best pit barbecue they ever had and it wasn't in Texas Hill country or eastern North, Carolina. But rather in Hayward Wisconsin town of twenty three, hundred people in the northern reaches of the United States where in January he can get down to minus seventeen degrees. This is where Dave Anderson, after years of trying out different business ideas decided to open famous Dave's barbecue in nineteen, ninety four. Today famous Dave's has about one hundred and twenty five locations nationwide making it one of the largest barbecue chains in the country. But the story of Dave's is also a story of how a simple passion for serving smoked ribs chicken and brisket Kim grow too big and too fast and how a founder of can almost lose complete control of a good idea. Dave Anderson grew up in a working class family in Chicago in the nineteen fifties and sixties both his parents were native Americans who grew up on reservations in different parts of the country. My Dad's a full blood choctaw Indian from idol. Homa and if you were to look at a map, of Oklahoma, you'd see that I had a bell is in the southeast corner of Oklahoma, which is way down south, and then my mom is from the Likud array reservation wishes way up north she's. A member of the Likud Ray Lake Superior Band of Ojibway says she grew up in Wisconsin he grew up in Oklahoma and how did they meet both of my parents? I think is the unfortunate part of my story where taken by the Bureau of Indian affairs away from their families and stuck an Indian boarding schools basically making orphans out of them now fortunately for me, though my parents met at Haskell Institute, for Indians, Lawrence Kansas so both just to clarify. So both your parents grew up on Indian reservations they met at a boarding school that I guess was where Indian kids from across the country were brought to I. Don't know. Basically to mainstream because my dad when he was brought into a boarding school didn't speak English. She was A choctaw speaking Indian and When he got put into these boarding schools, he can remember. Being beat in having this mouthwash dot with soap and tell e would forget his language and only speak English didn't happen Abraham Lincoln's Day or George Washington's Day. But this generation my parents I think that's a story that sometimes people in America never here. No, they don't what did your dad do for a living when you were a kid? My Dad was electricity and My mom was a secretary she worked as a secretary. So I was like a lot of kids that lived in a working class neighborhood and we didn't have a lot but we always had food on the table I think growing up though I always knew that my family was different because when all the other kids are going out for pizza and hotdogs especially. In Chicago being a great pizza town. Chicago hotdogs, my dad would load us up into the family car and we're headed down to south side of Chicago. For rips and growing up I. Knew every black owned barbecue joint in Chicago and I can remember as early as nineteen fifty-nine, nine eating rip tips at Limbs Barbecue and fifty nine hundred state street. Yeah I mean Chicago became obviously hugely important. As Barbecue. Capital because of the great migration. So many African Americans who migrated out of the Jim Crow South moved to Chicago and brought them their culinary traditions you the also brought blues, what a great combination in. So Chicago throughout the years has always been known as a great blues town down also great, barbecue. Dave as a kid. Did your mom and dad instill strong. Indian values in you did you did you have a strong? Indian identity as a kid. You know growing up in a native American family we were cognizant that. We were America's first people. My Dad was very proud of his choctaw nation. My mom was proud to be from the Likud array reservation and for us that got carried over in that we ate Indian foods. My Dad was very insistent that he had his foods from the south my mom with growing up. She did a lot of fishing and she harvested wild rice. And so throughout years. My Dad would always. Make pilgrimages down to the south so he could get his banana. Corn. Type of bread almost like tamales wrapped up and corn us, and then my mom would always take fishing up north and we would harvest wild rice and but more importantly to raise money for the family. My parents would have a Indian. Freiburg stand and my dad would grilled and smoked cup venison mom would make Indian FRY bread and also wild rice soup but we would sell venison fried bread sandwiches along with balls of wild rice soup I think attending Indian powwows with my mom where we would have the Indian Freiburg stand really taught me a lot about cooking cooking outdoors but also the appreciation for foods that are harvested naturally being able to harvest wild rice. Fishing in all of those experiences that I think throughout the years of always carried
How I Built This
Interview With Dave Anderson Of Famous Dave's
"So, most of the biggest restaurant chains started in small places McDonald's was born in San Bernardino California Domino's in Epsilon t Michigan Sonic Shawnee Oklahoma Arby's Boardman Ohio. There are a number of reasons why this is the case there's usually less competition. The rent is lower, and if white you're offering is new or different people will stand in line for it as they did at the original boardwalk fries in ocean city Maryland which is now a franchise company with more than one hundred locations nationwide they stood in line the chicken. Salad Chicken Auburn Alabama up which now has one hundred forty stores same with five guys in Arlington, Virginia and empire of more than fifteen hundred locations today, and as you will hear in the mid nineteen, ninety s people came from far and wide for some of the best pit barbecue they ever had and it wasn't in Texas Hill country or eastern North, Carolina. But rather in Hayward Wisconsin town of twenty three, hundred people in the northern reaches of the United States where in January he can get down to minus seventeen degrees. This is where Dave Anderson, after years of trying out different business ideas decided to open famous Dave's barbecue in nineteen, ninety four. Today famous Dave's has about one hundred and twenty five locations nationwide making it one of the largest barbecue chains in the country. But the story of Dave's is also a story of how a simple passion for serving smoked ribs chicken and brisket Kim grow too big and too fast and how a founder of can almost lose complete control of a good idea. Dave Anderson grew up in a working class family in Chicago in the nineteen fifties and sixties both his parents were native Americans who grew up on reservations in different parts of the country. My Dad's a full blood choctaw Indian from idol. Homa and if you were to look at a map, of Oklahoma, you'd see that I had a bell is in the southeast corner of Oklahoma, which is way down south, and then my mom is from the Likud array reservation wishes way up north she's. A member of the Likud Ray Lake Superior Band of Ojibway says she grew up in Wisconsin he grew up in Oklahoma and how did they meet both of my parents? I think is the unfortunate part of my story where taken by the Bureau of Indian affairs away from their families and stuck an Indian boarding schools basically making orphans out of them now fortunately for me, though my parents met at Haskell Institute, for Indians, Lawrence Kansas so both just to clarify. So both your parents grew up on Indian reservations they met at a boarding school that I guess was where Indian kids from across the country were brought to I. Don't know. Basically to mainstream because my dad when he was brought into a boarding school didn't speak English. She was A choctaw speaking Indian and When he got put into these boarding schools, he can remember. Being beat in having this mouthwash dot with soap and tell e would forget his language and only speak English didn't happen Abraham Lincoln's Day or George Washington's Day. But this generation my parents I think that's a story that sometimes people in America never here. No, they don't what did your dad do for a living when you were a kid? My Dad was electricity and My mom was a secretary she worked as a secretary. So I was like a lot of kids that lived in a working class neighborhood and we didn't have a lot but we always had food on the table I think growing up though I always knew that my family was different because when all the other kids are going out for pizza and hotdogs especially. In Chicago being a great pizza town. Chicago hotdogs, my dad would load us up into the family car and we're headed down to south side of Chicago. For rips and growing up I. Knew every black owned barbecue joint in Chicago and I can remember as early as nineteen fifty-nine, nine eating rip tips at Limbs Barbecue and fifty nine hundred state street. Yeah I mean Chicago became obviously hugely important. As Barbecue. Capital because of the great migration. So many African Americans who migrated out of the Jim Crow South moved to Chicago and brought them their culinary traditions you the also brought blues, what a great combination in. So Chicago throughout the years has always been known as a great blues town down also great, barbecue. Dave as a kid. Did your mom and dad instill strong. Indian values in you did you did you have a strong? Indian identity as a kid. You know growing up in a native American family we were cognizant that. We were America's first people. My Dad was very proud of his choctaw nation. My mom was proud to be from the Likud array reservation and for us that got carried over in that we ate Indian foods. My Dad was very insistent that he had his foods from the south my mom with growing up. She did a lot of fishing and she harvested wild rice. And so throughout years. My Dad would always. Make pilgrimages down to the south so he could get his banana. Corn. Type of bread almost like tamales wrapped up and corn us, and then my mom would always take fishing up north and we would harvest wild rice and but more importantly to raise money for the family. My parents would have a Indian. Freiburg stand and my dad would grilled and smoked cup venison mom would make Indian FRY bread and also wild rice soup but we would sell venison fried bread sandwiches along with balls of wild rice soup I think attending Indian powwows with my mom where we would have the Indian Freiburg stand really taught me a lot about cooking cooking outdoors but also the appreciation for foods that are harvested naturally being able to harvest wild rice. Fishing in all of those experiences that I think throughout the years of always carried
How I Built This
Famous Dave's: Dave Anderson
"Did you. Give it the name famous Dave's as kind of a joke because you weren't get famous, right Well on the road out of town, there's Dave's guns, Dave's antiques, Dave's boats so. was going to name my place Dave's famous barbecue shop. I get my business cards and it said famous Dave's barbecue. I imagine I can't believe the printer messed up my business cards and my wife's a dave calm down when she just leave it. So famous Dave's. History. From NPR, it's how I built this show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm guy rise and on the show today our passion for smoked ribs lead Dave Anderson open a barbecue. In the middle of nowhere and how it grew into famous Dave's one of the biggest barbecue chains in the country. Are. So, most of the biggest restaurant chains started in small places McDonald's was born in San Bernardino California Domino's in Epsilon t Michigan Sonic Shawnee Oklahoma Arby's Boardman Ohio. There are a number of reasons why this is the case there's usually less competition. The rent is lower, and if white you're offering is new or different people will stand in line for it as they did at the original boardwalk fries in ocean city Maryland which is now a franchise company with more than one hundred locations nationwide they stood in line the chicken. Salad Chicken Auburn Alabama up which now has one hundred forty stores same with five guys in Arlington, Virginia and empire of more than fifteen hundred locations today, and as you will hear in the mid nineteen, ninety s people came from far and wide for some of the best pit barbecue they ever had and it wasn't in Texas Hill country or eastern North, Carolina. But rather in Hayward Wisconsin town of twenty three, hundred people in the northern reaches of the United States where in January he can get down to minus seventeen degrees. This is where Dave Anderson, after years of trying out different business ideas decided to open famous Dave's barbecue in nineteen, ninety four. Today famous Dave's has about one hundred and twenty five locations nationwide making it one of the largest barbecue chains in the country. But the story of Dave's is also a story of how a simple passion for serving smoked ribs chicken and brisket Kim grow too big and too fast and how a founder of can almost lose complete control of a good idea. Dave Anderson grew up in a working class family in Chicago in the nineteen fifties and sixties both his parents were native Americans who grew up on reservations in different parts of the country. My Dad's a full blood choctaw Indian from idol. Homa and if you were to look at a map, of Oklahoma, you'd see that I had a bell is in the southeast corner of Oklahoma, which is way down south, and then my mom is from the Likud array reservation wishes way up north she's. A member of the Likud Ray Lake Superior Band of Ojibway says she grew up in Wisconsin he grew up in Oklahoma and how did they meet both of my parents? I think is the unfortunate part of my story where taken by the Bureau of Indian affairs away from their families and stuck an Indian boarding schools basically making orphans out of them now fortunately for me, though my parents met at Haskell Institute, for Indians, Lawrence Kansas so both just to clarify. So both your parents grew up on Indian reservations they met at a boarding school that I guess was where Indian kids from across the country were brought to I. Don't know. Basically to mainstream because my dad when he was brought into a boarding school didn't speak English. She was A choctaw speaking Indian and When he got put into these boarding schools, he can remember. Being beat in having this mouthwash dot with soap and tell e would forget his language and only speak English didn't happen Abraham Lincoln's Day or George Washington's Day. But this generation my parents I think that's a story that sometimes people in America never here. No, they don't what did your dad do for a living when you were a kid? My Dad was electricity and My mom was a secretary she worked as a secretary. So I was like a lot of kids that lived in a working class neighborhood and we didn't have a lot but we always had food on the table I think growing up though I always knew that my family was different because when all the other kids are going out for pizza and hotdogs especially. In Chicago being a great pizza town. Chicago hotdogs, my dad would load us up into the family car and we're headed down to south side of Chicago. For rips and growing up I. Knew every black owned barbecue joint in Chicago and I can remember as early as nineteen fifty-nine, nine eating rip tips at Limbs Barbecue and fifty nine hundred state street. Yeah I mean Chicago became obviously hugely important. As Barbecue. Capital because of the great migration. So many African Americans who migrated out of the Jim Crow South moved to Chicago and brought them their culinary traditions you the also brought blues, what a great combination in. So Chicago throughout the years has always been known as a great blues town down also great, barbecue. Dave as a kid. Did your mom and dad instill strong. Indian values in you did you did you have a strong? Indian identity as a kid. You know growing up in a native American family we were cognizant that. We were America's first people. My Dad was very proud of his choctaw nation. My mom was proud to be from the Likud array reservation and for us that got carried over in that we ate Indian foods. My Dad was very insistent that he had his foods from the south my mom with growing up. She did a lot of fishing and she harvested wild rice. And so throughout years. My Dad would always. Make pilgrimages down to the south so he could get his banana. Corn. Type of bread almost like tamales wrapped up and corn us, and then my mom would always take fishing up north and we would harvest wild rice and but more importantly to raise money for the family. My parents would have a Indian. Freiburg stand and my dad would grilled and smoked cup venison mom would make Indian FRY bread and also wild rice soup but we would sell venison fried bread sandwiches along with balls of wild rice soup I think attending Indian powwows with my mom where we would have the Indian Freiburg stand really taught me a lot about cooking cooking outdoors but also the appreciation for foods that are harvested naturally being able to harvest wild rice. Fishing in all of those experiences that I think throughout the years of always carried
Bill Handel
Man Who Supplied Rifles in San Bernardino Attack, East of Los Angeles, Is Sentenced to 20 Years
"Who who provided provided guns guns for for a a terrorist terrorist attack attack that that killed killed 14. 14. People People in in San San Bernardino, Bernardino, has has been been sentenced. sentenced. Enrique Enrique Marquez Marquez junior junior will will serve serve 20 20 years years in in prison. prison. Marquez Marquez pleaded pleaded guilty guilty in in 2017 2017 in in a a plea plea deal deal and and had had tried tried unsuccessfully unsuccessfully to to withdraw withdraw his his plea. plea. Prosecutors Prosecutors had had asked asked for 25 for 25 years. years. Marquez Marquez was was sentenced sentenced yesterday yesterday in in federal federal court. court. Mark Mark is is admitted admitted to to buying buying two two rifles rifles for for his his friend friend Sayed Sayed Farook Farook and and fruits fruits wife wife so so the the pair pair could could open open fire fire on on a a gathering gathering of of coworkers coworkers on on December December 2nd 2nd at at the the inland inland regional regional Center. Center. 14 14 people people were were killed killed in in 22. 22. Others Others were were seriously seriously injured. injured. Marquez Marquez had had also also admitted admitted to to a a plot plot to to attack attack targets targets in in Riverside, Riverside, but but that that was was scrapped scrapped at at the the time time of of the the attack. attack. It was It was the the largest largest mass mass shooting shooting in in the the US US following following the the sandy sandy Hook Hook Elementary Elementary school school shooting shooting in in 2012. 2012. Steve Steve