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"samir amira" Discussed on How I Found My Voice

How I Found My Voice

09:14 min | 10 months ago

"samir amira" Discussed on How I Found My Voice

"Style download. Download the APP today. Now let's go to this week's episode and when my father stepped out of the car to ask what was happening signal was given to shoot to commence firing and my father and six other men were for killed that night. uh power is incredibly corrosive. Corrosive for us with my father was a threat to her. My father was a critic okay. My aunt was killed years later on. So there's no chance to ask her. Hello and welcome to how I found my voice podcast from intelligence squared. I'm Samir Amira. Ahmed and I'm going behind the celebrity persona to find out what influences shaped their success. How politicians artists writers and performers grow? Grow Up to become such great communicators. If you enjoy this podcast please take a moment to rate and review us on Apple podcasts. Fatima Bhutto is a journalist and novelist and a real citizen of the world. Born in Kabul raised in Syria an educated in New York and London and she joins me. Now you've reported from Lebanon from Iran from Cuba and you are an activist. I love reading. Your social media feeds full of an forthright comments about everything from religious extremism to Feminism A to Western anti Muslim hypocrisy. You're lost novel. The runaways was a sensitive an engaging thriller about teenagers drawn into joining Dinesh. And your latest book canoe. Can you kings of the world is dispatches about the global impact of Bollywood of Turkish traumas and South Korean K pop. I have to mention. Of course the FAMILY NAME BHUTTO UTAH. Which carries quite some residents is one of the most well known political dynasties in Pakistan? Your Grandfather Zulfikar Ali Bhutto with the first democratically elected. Prime Prime Minister of the country was overthrown in a military coup and he was executed. And I remember that day. It said that the history of the Bhutto family mirrors the history of Pakistan. Why didn't you feel about such a a claim? But thank you for. Thanks for coming on to talk about how you found your voice. I want to take you back to the start. So you're born in Kabul in in a household where your father was essentially in exile. Wasn't he from Zero Hawks military regime but he was planning. Would it be a revolution with your uncle. Well thank Samir for that welcome and introduction. It's hard to begin seeking after all that. My father was in exile in Afghanistan on. He was resisting getting the military dictatorship. He was a very young man. He was twenty eight years old when I was born. But he was twenty five years old When by his salons upward path was halted and halted quite brutally by a military dictatorship essentially stopped the momentum that Bison in had been building for itself was an incredibly young country at the time and genucel Hukou was a CIA back? Dictator just brutalized the society so there was mass. Censorship mass arrests public floggings journalists were rounded up in whipped stadiums and. My father was one of the political young by Kazan at the time of resisting the dictatorship actively but I would say my birth go to bid him the way it sounds like a very tense time and it certainly it was before I was born. He left Afghanistan soon afterwards. You to Damascus. And we moved to Damascus. And you lived there 'til you were twelve. So what was that the timeline. Yeah we live they said I was twelve and my father becomes a single father on his life is now haircuts for little girls and bedtime stories and and teaching me how to read and write and we had a pretty strange but also a normal fund childhood Syria at the time was quite a closed closed society and I wrote about this a little bit in new kings of the world. It was a time when you couldn't really get very much except the BBC World Service News on the radio. They should've been the one thousand nine hundred eighty eight exactly and so we got our news on the radio from the BBC. But you couldn't really pick up western newspapers or things things like that at the same time of course. Western culture was unavoidable. So you you've got all the Eddie Murphy movies or Episodes of Dallas and cheers and and things like that. It was an unusual time but I do a Happy Childhood in Syria. Will you mentioned you. Father was a single dad so what was happening in your family among why parents divorced divorced When I was quite young about three years old and I was very attached to my father and so I I opted quite easily? He and he he became my father and mother and baby sitter and best friend and and everything rolled into one and I really credit him actually. They would so much because being raised by father who never told you there any limits to what you could do or should do was incredibly liberating and and strangely remains till this this day. There is a fearlessness about that. Comes off so early on meets. You and I'm guessing now this back to just the environment that your father created at home the yes he did this incredible thing which was that. He never lied to me so he never pretended that things were not frightening at times and in fact spoke quite freely around on me so I knew things like dictatorship and martial law and a new these words at a young age and I knew that bad things that happened in my family and I I could see my father's pain and he never hid his feelings either so I I saw him struggle but at the same time he was somebody who loved life and and enjoy life and was curious about the world and and so he didn't teach me to be afraid. He taught me to be unafraid. But at the same time to be vulnerable as well and I. It's amazing that even today I mean I'm thirty seven now. My father was killed when I was fourteen. But it's those lessons that really I have with me today and that's a keep pushing me forward. You obviously have very positive febreeze but I was thinking you know for someone especially for a girl to be growing up without her mom. Your father remarried Lebanese woman fascinated by what that was like because obviously he then straightway have a culturally mixed at you. Well I guess. Our home was always culturally mixed because my father's mother was Iranian and so there was already that we then were living in Syria. I growing up as a child of exile. I thought I was Syrian. Essentially and my father was always reminding me that it wasn't and not only that I wasn't but that that this was temporary so I would you know put a post drop on my wall as a kid and he would say. Oh No don't put that. We're we're leaving soon. Okay what we live here now and he would say no no no. It's not for long. And and so that created strains of being being somewhere and not not being. They're wrong how interesting. It's that being almost a professional exile. Yeah waiting to go back to Pakistan all the time were that. My father lives constantly in in that in that limbo and he would say to me. You know we're going to go home. We're going to go home and I would say when he was a soon really soon but then I realized there was no soon you know and I would mode press a bit more this year. And he's yes this year and the year would pass and we wouldn't leave and so I started to ignore his his Predictions of when we would go home and and then one year he happened to be right and he said it and that was the year we left or year was that that was nineteen ninety-three so I was eleven at the time and he decided to contest elections in Pakistan and return home after sixteen years of of exile. And I thought okay. We'll find if you know if he doesn't win we won't go back and you know he's going to win and he did win and so sort of overnight tonight. We had to start making preparations to leave and at the same time as that was true. Remind us what he won. He won A seat in the assembly from Larkana which had been my my grandfather's seems like an MP exactly like an MP and he was going to go go back and he had always lived with Pakistan even when he was away from it so he was spoke about it in very romantic terms about the C.. You know Caribbean Sea and the smell of salt in the air. All the food so in a way it was like returning home even though it had never been a home for me at least not up until that point and so one thousand nine hundred three. We went back to listen. I want you take back a little bit before that to say. When did you first realize having the PUTO name was significant?.

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