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Longform Podcast
"sam sanders" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"There's one other thing that you were talking about in terms of the NPR stuff, which I think is connected to this very healthy perspective. They do appear to have shown up to this interview with. Which is that at least for the last couple of years, certainly since it's been a minute. You've been in the business of being Sam Sanders. And I wonder a little bit how you think about the person you are when microphones are turned on. And who you are when you're looking at the sunset, is there a gap there, and how do you think about that gap? You know, there's definitely a gap. And I think there's two gaps, I think, one is just like, all right, what parts of my life will I share on the microphone and what parts will I not? And there's a clear line. And I think I share a lot, and people feel like they know me. And they know a lot about me, but there's something that is not going to know about. They just won't, right? And over time, that changes, but in general, I know what I'm going to tell you all about me and what I'm not going to tell you about me. And then I think the other thing is just like the performance of self on the microphone is incredibly authentic, but it's authentic with 15% more charm. So I want to actually come with real questions that I would have as an individual, an earnest curiosity that I would have just like as a consumer of the news and the culture. But when I hit the mic, I wanted to be like, yeah, Sam just got out of the shower. The cologne is fresh. His tie is sharp. It's like 15% more. Because I want to sell it, right? Like I want you to have a good experience. And I want to give you not a fake version of me, but the best version of me. When I started doing this, I was talking to a friend of mine who had a lot of experience doing it. And I was asking him, what is advice was? And his advice was basically like, you want to be yourself. But just having done a very small amount of cocaine. Yeah. That's illegally. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like another version of like, yeah, and it's funny what I used to do. When it was time to go on the mic, I would do this thing, and I don't have to do any more. I would take a breath, and as I was exhaling, I would put my shoulders up. We're here. Let's fucking go. It's time. Turn it on. Yeah. And I'm not turning on something fake. I'm like amping up the real, you know? And you just get better at it. When I started hosting both of the last shows, I was so superstitious. I had to record barefoot. I had this list of things I had to do to feel like I could do the interview. And now I'm just like, the interview. Over the course of the pandemic, I recorded public radio stuff and 5 or 6 different states. Because that was all over the place where the pandemic road trip in here and there, living in Texas for a while, et cetera. And the more you do it, the more you like, this is a light switch. Right. Turn it on. Okay, let's go. A light switch that you are in some controller. Yeah, yeah. Did you find it harder to flip that switch in the pandemic like over Zoom? Well, one, this in a saw home where I'm like, come back in two weeks, because I was like, cool. And it was really cute for the first week because I was like, I'm going to set up my little recording thing on my dining room table. Here's a picturesque and acute, isn't it fun? And then I realized the first week of the interviews from home, you really couldn't gel or vibe. You're talking over the gas and they're talking over you because you can't see them and there's a delay. And the zoom was a weird because we hadn't figured it out. And then after a month of it, you kind of realized the work that was necessary to set the table and then it was okay. And generally what that was was just saying, I know, it's weird. It zoom, you can't see me. I can't see you. I'm so sorry. Isn't this weird? Oh my God, fuck COVID. And then they're like vibing with you. And then it's fine. And then about three months after that, everyone, especially all of the celebrity guests. We all realize that they liked doing it from home better anyway. As did I and they almost are better when they're at home. The loser. They're better at loser home. Well, a, you can get them more easily. Oh, yeah. But there's something about talking about yourself in your own living room. Just be yourself. Yeah. Now I think if I were to go back to recording some of these interviews in person, it might sound worse. And that's a thing I never would have thought at this art of pandemic. Can we talk
Longform Podcast
"sam sanders" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"And I think it just takes years of doing the thing we all do in our 20s where our jobs are our life before we see how we need to put it in its right place. So I guess what I'm saying is time. I mean, there's also this question of identity too. I think for many people in the industry in which we work, your job is who you are. Yeah. After I had been hosting podcast at NPR for a while. Even people close to me would say NPR Sam Sanders, to me. And I was just like, at first it's cute and then you're like, no, that's weird. Yeah. That's weird, right? And so I want to develop and cultivate and maintain a personal life and a professional existence where I'm a sentient being whether I'm working here or there or wherever. And I'm like my own person. You know? Yeah, no, I do know. You make it sound so simple. It's not simple. Seems very hard to be okay. I think it's just like, it's just fucking time. I've been doing this shit now. But I was at NPR. I left when I was 36, 37, how old I am. And I was actually there 13 years, but 13 is a bad number, so I didn't say it. I just said 12. But I was at NPR third in my life. Yeah. That's a long-term relationship. Even though your job isn't a person, you're in relationship with that space. It's kind of difficult relationship with you guys. Never went on vacation. Never touched the end of night. Never hug your bad. Yeah, but when you do it that long at one place, you just get a holistic perspective about the institution where if it's in and how it fits into your life and you just kind of come out of it clear eyed. I have stared in and around and outside and inside of public media for the last dozen years. And so that makes it easier to keep it in its place and it also makes it easier to see yourself outside of that. Is that why you were ready to go? I'll show you go for a few reasons. What were they? I had to set myself up. It was time. I think your answer to every question, Katie, just time. No, I think we got in this place with it's been a minute where you realized they were never going to ask you to stop. The show was working. The podcast downloads were good. The station count was good. The show was profitable. Quicker than they expected it to be profitable. They had finally rightsized the staff, and they kind of were like, all right. Right. We've got a franchise here. Robert Siegel is shit. 30 years. And it was just like, no. I don't think I ever wanted a career where I was doing the same thing for 30 years. Yeah. So that. I also think that editorially, I had just become someone who was really contemplating what kind of capital J journalist I wanted to be want to be. And I was questioning a lot of the rules and structure of what we think journalism is supposed to be. And I think I needed to be a way from a legacy institution like NPR, at least for a spell to work that out. Just a place where there were slightly fewer constraints. Yeah, and less of an expectation of a certain kind of performance. So there's this thing with NPR, where it's like even if your bosses are saying to you, no, no, no, it was cool. Go crazy, do whatever you want. There's a listenership. That knows what they expect. And you want to keep them happy too, 'cause you want them to have a good experience. I want it to be good for you. And I think what happened a lot with the podcast, it's been a minute. I had in my mind a version of a show I would make of it. We're just a podcast. And I had in my mind a version of that show that I would make if it were just a week in public radio show. And I had to make a show every week that was both of those things. And at first it was a fun challenge. And we made something good, but I do think, particularly for the subject matter of the show, and as it leaned more into culture and lessened a hard news, I thought it would be an even better product if I was speaking to a narrower audience and not a broader one. Yeah, kind of reminds me of the dynamic podcast is doing live shows. I feel like every time we do a live show and the idea is that what is recorded will go through the feed. Yeah. There's always this question of, who's this for? And who's going to get it? Is it for the audience that's in the room? Or is it for the people who are going to listen? Because if you try and do something for both of them, it might still work. But it can't be its absolute best version of itself. But then also, there's some things we did on that show where I'm like, whatever platform you put it on. It's just good audio. But I think the mental and emotional work of feeling the need to thread that needle every week. Totally. It was kind of like, you know, no harm no foul not mad about that. But what would it feel like to not have that challenge every week? And so now I'm going to figure that out. And I can say fuck now. It's okay that that's what it was all about today. You can just admit it. Yeah. I want to go back to the first reason for a second. The show had worked, and it hadn't just worked in content, but it would work behind the scenes. The show was profitable. It had the staff that you needed to make it. The downloads were where they needed to be, the stations were where they needed to be.
Longform Podcast
"sam sanders" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"I'm inside of Monica. I'll survive. I feel like this feels like a real honor on multiple levels. One of them is that you trek across Los Angeles. I sure did to come and do this in person. I sure did. B we're just doing it in person. I know. Literally across a table. Yeah, it's a totally different experience. I can see you've got like a torso. It's a whole different deal. I do. I do. And the third thing is I feel like an incredible day to get to talk to you. You launched a podcast. It's a great day. This is a really good day. This is my third time watching this show. First, the NPR politics podcast. And then it's been a minute a few years ago. And with those launches, I was scared out of my mind. The night before the politics podcast launched, I remember being at my cubicle and the NPR building to midnight, trying to study crying quietly while playing Christian rock. Like dark, the night before the trailer came out. It's been a minute. I was so nervous I couldn't sleep and I walked my dog for 5 hours in the middle of the night. And my dog was like, fuck you. And for this one, we wrapped our edits, I want to say innovate Tuesday. So the engineer was just mastering everything on Wednesday. And last night, my boyfriend and I went to the movies. And then I came home. And went to bed. It just had a restful night's sleep. Yeah, you know, the biggest problem for me in this last 24 hours before the show hit listeners ears was feeling very conflicted about the film I watched last night, which is nope. Oh yeah. Which I don't think is that. Can I say that? I don't think it's that good. I don't think you're allowed to say that. Okay, I know, I know, scratch that. But that was the biggest source of stress for me. Wow. In the last 24 hours, what is that about, man? How have you. And I think it's just like a lot of recentering of priorities over the course of the last two or three years of pandemic. I think I've done a lot of work in trying to compartmentalize things a little more. I love my job. I love my work. I'm always proud of all of the audio I'm making, and I want it to be good. But I want my job to live in a box. And I want when I'm done with the job, to put my job in the box, and then go to the fucking movies. And I want what I've finished my work to go live a life. And I think early on when I was starting to do podcasting or doing political reporting or breaking news reporting, the work itself was all consuming, and it was the largest part of my life. And now I think this is the best show I've ever made, but it's a smaller part of my life. And that's good. Is that like a function of maturity or of getting to a place where you don't need to work all the time? That's a few things. I think the longer you do it, the quicker you get at it. So you don't have to spend 80 hours a week doing the job. You can actually do 40. Maybe even less than a good week. I also think that like you get older and that's just part of the change. My first launched the politics podcast, what? November 2015, almost 7 years ago. I'm about to be 38. Let's say I was like 32, 31, then so I'm just like a different person, but also I think the pandemic and my journey through pandemic. It was a lot of isolation. A lot of individual solo travel, a lot of being in different parts of the country and the world. And sitting still and having a lot of time to think and just, you know, I'm not new to be saying this and everyone kind of had this journey, but what really fucking matters. And my work will always matter to me because I get to do a job that I love to do and I really believe in it, but it's work. It's work. And so how do I continue to make really good shit and believe in what I do? But value my relationships and my friendships and my hobbies and my dogs just as much. That's the work. It feels like a job. Every job feels like a job. It's a job. I get paid for it. It's a job. I'm waiting for the check every two weeks. It's a job. Did it always feel that way? Oh. I mean, when you were sitting at the NPR headquarters in 2015, listening to Christian rock. Hillsong, I should be clear. Because Christian rock is going to make you think like D.C. talk. We're talking like that. Acoustic guitar shit. I totally know exactly what you're talking about. Did it feel like a job then? It felt like a life. Yeah. But I have a life now that is not my job. Wait, what do you mean it felt like a lot? It felt like a life. It felt like that was all that there was. And getting that right was all that mattered. And now do you feel like you've gotten it right? Some of it, I think I've figured out how to do the thing that I'm most likely to get right. I think a lot of what I was doing in the first several years of my career in journalism was like seeing what stuck. I was always kind of a generalist. And undergrad I double majored in political science and music composition. I got a master's degree in public policy with a focus on very generalist ideas and themes. And so I came into the work, kind of just being a quick study. And I was like, well, do you want me to do? And so I covered business stuff for a little bit. I covered entertainment stuff for a little bit. An election. And over the course of all of that, I think probably around two years into it's been a minute. I figured out my competitive advantage lies in this stuff. I like doing this stuff. Do more of that. Well, I want to talk more about what that stuff is. Yeah, yeah. But this thing you're talking about, I feel like there might be people listening for whom the clarity that you have about this is elusive. Well, you caught me on a good day. I think because we had a relatively uneventful launch and no one has canceled me or the show. As of the first 17 hours, it's been up. Yeah. I'm in a very good space today. Well, that's great. I'm so glad to have caught you there. But it also seems like this is a product of a fair amount of thinking and intentionality. And mental health professionals. Thank you, Jonathan. I love you so much. I want to understand a little bit better how you got there. Because I think it is difficult, particularly if you're like a young journalist, young, creative person, many people have had the Hillsong experience. And to get to a place where you're like, yeah, all right, I left the only place I've ever done this work. To me, from the outside, I was like, wow, it's a big move, Sam made. There's risk and challenge and excited new stuff and all of this in there. And to be at a place where you're like, this has to have equal balance with my boyfriend and dogs. And everything else, how do you do
Longform Podcast
"sam sanders" Discussed on Longform Podcast
"How are you, sir? You appear to be on some kind of vacation yourself there. That does not look like where you normally call me from. I am in a beautiful Los Angeles California. It's so nice here. Who is on the program? This week on the program, I talked to Sam Sanders. Sam Sanders is or was, I should say, a long time NPR host, he hosted the politics podcast and then for the last couple of years, he's hosted a show called it's been a minute, but he has left NPR and he just launched, in fact, he launched it the day we talked, a new podcast called Intuit for vulture. It's a culture show and we talked about starting something new and leave an NPR. It's always fun to have these conversations with people on the day that something launches. It's like an exciting moment. And Aaron, we did it in person, rare in person interview. I don't think I've done an in person interview since COVID other than the time that Evan came to my house to interview me, which doesn't really count. So I envy you that sounds delightful. Everything about this setting and setup seems delightful. We should say for full disclosure, this show is produced and partnership with vox media. I believe they also produce the vulture show that Sam Sanders, is that correct? New York magazine, part of vox vulture part of New York magazine. This is two vac shows. It's the same family here. Consider it disclosed. Here is max with Sam Sanders. Hey Sam, how are you? I'm all right, man. How are you?
WABE 90.1 FM
"sam sanders" Discussed on WABE 90.1 FM
"It's been a minute from NPR I'm Sam Sanders How are you I'm doing well I was just explaining to your producer at the very interesting situation I'm in where I'm in this slight fetal position in my gym desperately trying to use the Internet because the Internet went down in my home and my basement flooded and I have two homeschooled children running around crazy The guy talking to me from his gym is wajahat Ali He's a columnist for The Daily Beast a public speaker and the author of a new book It's called go back to where you came from and other helpful recommendations on becoming American We made it work How did you make it work Being a child of immigrants and stretching a dollar and making 20 and being creative and hustle because some emergence of the gym decided to look to me and took pity on me You know I'm not a Lin-Manuel Miranda person but I feel like the only quote that works here is from him immigrants that get the job done Now go back to where you came from is a memoir all about the kind of immigrant grit he displayed in trying to find a place to record this chat But his book is also full of quote unquote helpful recommendations for immigrants that he has gotten from white Americans This book points out just how hilarious and untenable and difficult becoming American can be And throughout the book watch tells his own story to offer strategies on how to make America more welcoming and compassionate And yes he still believes that is possible I really enjoy talking with wise about his book especially talking about why he aspires to be just like Bugs Bunny All right enjoy We are here to talk about your book It is called go back to where you came from.
Broken Record
"sam sanders" Discussed on Broken Record
"Clothing was replaced with some big scarlet letter. It was just as if the world said we're done with you now because of this. This was a moment that lasted all but a second. And yet, it essentially stopped a 30 plus year career in its tracks. After that halftime show, Janet was blacklisted. MTV refused to play her music videos, stations stopped playing her songs, and Janet didn't appear at the Grammy Awards, just a few days later. Her invitation was conditional on her apology. But Justin went and apologized, and he took home two awards that night. One for best male pop vocal performance, and another for best pop vocal album. Listen, I know it's been a rough week on everybody. What occurred was unintentional, completely regrettable. And I apologize if you guys are offended. This has been a dream of mine. Don't. I already got enough. Don't. In 2006, Janet sat down with Oprah Winfrey for what she said at the time was the final word on the issue. Do you think in any way that Justin Timberlake left you hanging out there? I am speaking to miss Jackson. Do you? Well, all the emphasis was put on me. Not unjust. And that same year, Justin told MTV that if you considered what happened back then, 50 50, he only got 10% of the blame. I think that says something about society. You know, I think that America's harsher on women. And I think that America's, you know, unfairly harsh on ethnic. People. We reached out to Janet's publicity team, and we were told that she has no comment. Justin Timberlake also had no comment. But earlier this year, Justin did post an apology on Instagram to both Janet and Britney Spears. He said, quote, I am deeply sorry for the times in my life where my actions contributed to the problem, where I spoke out of turn or did not speak up for what was right. The fact is, after the halftime show, Janet's career suffered. While Justin's thrived so much so that in 2018, Justin was invited back to perform at the Super Bowl halftime show. This time, solo. I use the word criminal a lot when I talk about black people in music and specifically, you know, me always talking about black women in music, not receiving the credit that they're due. I really think that it's criminal that we, as you started this conversation that we forget the impact the Janet Jackson has had. On music, it's bloody and it's criminal. What do you think is the biggest lesson or takeaway about the music industry about American celebrity culture about the way black women are treated in music? What's the biggest takeaway? For any of those things from the Super Bowl incident. I mean the biggest takeaway from Janet not receiving the credit that is due to her in this world of culture that we all live in. Is to me how little has changed.
Broken Record
"sam sanders" Discussed on Broken Record
"The way the girls. I think we all that's the way we look. Realize one, that that's the way you love them. She was here to stay. Again, music journalist Danielle Smith, that there was no flash in the pan thing happening with her that she was committed to the look she was committed to the music. She was committed to the work to the choreography to everything. So Janet was now on the same league as her brother Michael and Madonna. And then somebody's Tina Turner. Please come forward. But then, congratulations and welcome to Super Bowl 38 the Super Bowl happened Carolina has been designated the visiting team today so they will call the I mean to me the way I remember it is it was violent. Coming up, we go back to that moment in 2004. And why it looks and feels so different in today's rearview mirror. Justice, for Janet, after the break. I think it's hard to like talk about her omnipresence. Like, I remember that video for that's the way love goes. I felt like it was played on MTV every 5 minutes. You could not turn on your radio on any kind of station and not hear that song. She was on the cover of all the magazines, like when you compare what she was doing in that moment and how everywhere she was to, I don't know, a Taylor Swift or a Beyoncé today. How does it compare? The level. I mean, you can compare it, but then my thing is, can you, because the thing is, that's something that I, because I've interviewed Janet, any number of times. And in one of our conversations, you know, she just acknowledged the fact that she kind of created herself. I think the Beyoncé would be the first person to say that without the influence of, yes, definitely Tina Turner. And I always want to add Donna Summer. When I think about Beyoncé. But if there was not a Janet Jackson, especially with regard to singing and dancing at the same time. You know, Beyoncé pulls from all of that. Oh, yeah. And then Taylor with regard to just being everywhere and singing the feelings of youth at that moment, like when I think about my niece's relationship to Taylor Swift and how my niece had to tell me, again, I get the age of 9 or ten. But if I was going to understand my job, excuse you, Parker, Williams. That I needed to listen to Taylor to understand her generation. Yeah. I mean, there are just many of us that say if you want to understand, especially black women and really just women. To understand what it felt like to be in love to come into your own as a 20 year old 25 year old because Janet takes us on all the beats. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, so but Janet has sung our life to us. In the run up to the Super Bowl halftime show, Janet was still on top. Her last album before that performance, all for you. It had come out in 2001 with another number one single, called all for you. So, of course, Janet was asked to headline the Super Bowl. Because what kind of musicians do you ask to headline the Super Bowl halftime show? The heavy hitters. She's like the biggest star in the world and even in 2004. From a royal musical family. So if, okay, Super Bowl performance. We have come to the end of the first half of Super Bowl 38. There's our score. It was Sunday, February 1st, 2004. The Carolina Panthers were taken on the New England Patriots in Houston, Texas. At halftime, it was Janet singing rhythm nation and all for you. The other performers were P diddy, Nelly, and Kid Rock. Talk about a moment in time. And then to close out the show, it was Janet again. But this time she was joined by Justin Timberlake, on his song, rock your body. I'm in the kitchen in Los Angeles. It's Super Bowl Sunday. Who cares about the game? I'm here for the food. So I'm literally doing something in the kitchen and I there's a bunch of people at mine. Parents house. And I hear gas and screams. Oh, wow. And I walk in and I promise you, I feel like everybody that was over male and female had their hand over their mouth. And I'm like, what? Happened. And then somebody said, you know, somebody snatched off Janet's top. And then, you know, everything unfolds. Like Janet Jackson is apologizing for her flash dance. The singer calls the bodice ripping move by fellow entertainer Justin Timberlake during the Super Bowl halftime show. Last minute stunt that went too far. Viewers watched as Timberlake grabbed Jackson's outfit and ripped it open during a live broadcast on CBS. Timberlake called it a wardrobe malfunction. This is a lot of you guys are getting pretty hot and steamy up there. Hey man, I love giving y'all something to talk about. But Janet Jackson says it was not my intention that it goes as far.
Broken Record
"sam sanders" Discussed on Broken Record
"To tell you a lot of people say that Janet's not a great singer. Janet is a great singer. But in order to be a great singer, you don't have to be the loudest singer. You just have to have control of what you like to do. And to me, style wins over by. There you go. I always loved and you hear it in lots of songs that she would do, she was able to convey emotion not just through the singing. There are so many classic songs where her laugh conveys so much or a sigh convey so much or a little quip in the intro for a song convey so much. You hear some of that acting training in the other things she's doing on yells records besides the singing. She just knows how to convey emotion. Yeah, I totally agree. And that's, but that's the things. Those little elements, the breath, the size of the laughs. Those things, she would always do and we would just leave them in there. A lot of times it was a mistake. Really? Oh, sure. Like the laugh on, I'm trying to, oh, when I think of you. Wait, really? I love that laugh. Yeah, but that's just, like, it's like, for most people, I think that would have been an outtake. And for us, all the things that were outtakes were always the pieces that we always tried to make sure was in there because that was the personality of her. You know, and if it was a happy song and she was laughing about it, then we wanted people to feel that when they were listening to this song. And even in our production technique, we would say to her, if she was singing a song like that, a lot of times we wouldn't be looking at her because the lights would all be out in the studio, but I would say, are you smiling? 'cause this is a happy song. You got a smile when you sing this song. And she goes, oh, okay, okay. And you could tell the difference because when you're smiling, even when you're talking to somebody, you're smiling as you're talking to him as a different thing. So little things like that, little nuances like that. We thought was really important. And also about her size and her breath that she takes. One of the things she.
Broken Record
"sam sanders" Discussed on Broken Record
"To reset your relationship with your emotions. We all experience things that don't feel so good. Stuff like sadness, anxiety, burnout, and guilt. But in 2022, I want to help you look at these emotions in a new light. I'm doctor Laurie Santos, in the new season of my podcast the happiness lab. I'll show you that the path to happiness actually involves embracing your negative emotions. Joining me will be brene Brown. Part of the mythology around emotion if we look at in the eye, it gives it power. When the reality is, if we look at it in the eye and name it, it gives us power. And Adam grant reflects on an overlooked emotion that many of us feel right now. We don't really talk about the neglected middle child, which is languishing. I'll also talk to a grief expert who is a good friend to princess Diane. She had this incredibly raucous laugh that was really quite loud and it was incredibly infectious. So are you ready to reframe how you see your emotions? Then listen to the happiness lab. On Apple podcasts or wherever you like to listen. Hello podcast fans, Malcolm gladwell here. I'm the host of revisionist history and cofounder of pushkin industries. Pushkin is home to revisionist history and other great shows, like the happiness lab against the rules, cautionary tales, broken record, and a slight change of plans. Join, pushkin plus, angel here, all our shows, ad free, and get access to exclusive bonus content. Push can plus is just 4.99 a month, which is nothing or 39.99 a year. Subscribe now in pushkin podcasts or at.
It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders
"sam sanders" Discussed on It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders
"I'm Sam Sanders. It has been over a year since the January 6th insurrection on the capitol. Almost a year since former president Donald Trump left office. A lot has clearly changed, but some things have not. Lunatic leftists are taking over our schools and radical socialists are taking over our country and we're not going to let that happen. We're not going to let that Hillary conceded I never conceded that Donald Trump is still holding.
It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders
"sam sanders" Discussed on It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders
"I also write about taxidermy as this constructive loss and grief and memory and what it means to sort of do this thing to try and preserve something that was once alive, you know? You're trying to make it resemble what it looked like when it was living, and that's so hard. And that, to me, it felt like such a meta for writing and also this book and also my dad's grief, too. And so I found that really satisfying and I read so many books about taxidermy, which I thought was really cool. And yeah, I don't know. That fish is still in our basement. And everybody else. Everybody is so afraid to touch it. He must have done a good job. If it's still there, it's definitely wrong. I mean, this is probably really horrifying for people to hear. But the eyes are still there. They're in varying states of decay. It's in rough shape. I mean, I maybe I don't know. Maybe this has given me inspiration that. I think maybe next time I'm there. I'm going to just ask for someone's help. Maybe my husband can help me throw it out. I don't know. I wouldn't do that if I was you. Not after reading this book and knowing how your dad likes to hold on to things. I would be very afraid to throw anything out. Yeah, I mean, it's such a, I think response. To trauma for him, he can not let go of things and maybe to a degree writing this book it shows that I can't either, I don't know. Thanks again to catch out. Her memoir is called seeing ghosts, and it's not right now. And thanks to my Friends over at coach, which they originally produced this episode. Listeners, if you like what you just heard, you can subscribe to code switch wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, come back here for more it's been a minute on Friday. For that one we want to hear the best things that have happened to you all week. Just record yourself an email that file to us at Sam Sanders at NPR dot org. All right, till Friday, thank you for listening. I'm Sam Sanders. We'll talk soon. This message comes from NPR sponsor yogi tea. Wellness doesn't have to be complicated. In fact, it can be as simple as brewing a delicious cup of yogi tea and taking a moment to let your body and mind unwind. Support your well-being with yogi tea. If you ever wonder how the world's most successful leaders got to where they are, what struggles they faced and what kept them going. There's a show for you. Each week on my new podcast, my guests reveal how to think more like a leader. Check out wisdom from the top from NPR and luminary..
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"sam sanders" Discussed on It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders
"Yeah, oh, you're right. It's a moment. We're in some 80s nostalgia. Obviously, you're not totally out of touch. I'm playing. It makes me wonder though, having gone through this. Do you feel like you hear this synthesizer solo in a different way now? I'm definitely going to. Because well, because now I know that some really smart people that made this had a reason. I think before you explain this to me, I thought that there was no reason. And I'm like, oh, there is a reason. So I have to respect it more. I will say, you know, if I was in charge of the world, I would replace it with the nice, honestly. Okay, what solo what I want? I would do, I think you have to do that. So now that I think about it, it's a sip song. Otherwise, what are you going to call the album? Like, she's less unusual. You're right. You're right. I take it all back. Cindy, I was wrong, forgive me. You can do no wrong. Sam, it has been so much fun, investigating this question for you. It has changed the way that I hear sounds that I had purposely thought of as cheesy. As you were leading to, it has definitely made me miss going to some live performance because I feel like had you seen Cindy live and you would see in this song and you had danced the jig to that solo, you would have been converted long ago. Instead, it took this moment, your friend investigating your question for many months. But it's been an absolute joy to do so. Thank you, sir. This was amazing. I'm like, now I'm going to just send you all of my musical mysteries. Next, can you figure out what happened to latoya and latavia from Destiny's Child? Where'd they go? What do they have to? That's your next mystery. Thanks again to my Friends over at switched on pop for letting me come on to talk about Cindy and my musical malady. You can find switched on pop wherever you get your podcast. You know, I've been on that show more than once. There is also a recent episode of that show in which I talk about a modern pop song that I think is a classic that belongs in the great Pantheon of pop. We'll post a link in the show notes for that one. Join us again on its been a minute this Friday. You know, for those episodes, we love to hear from you, sharing the best things that have happened to you all week. If you want to do that, just record yourself and email that file to me. Sam Sanders at NPR, that email address is Sam Sanders at NPR dot org. All right listeners, till Friday, thanks for listening. Go listen to Cindy lauper, trust me, it's good stuff. I'm Sam Sanders. We'll talk soon. What does it take to start something from nothing? And what does it take to actually build it? I'm guy raz every week on how I built this, I speak with founders behind some of the most inspiring companies in the world. NPR's how I built this. Listen now..
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"sam sanders" Discussed on Switched On Pop
"It's like. He's egging himself on for that. Last chorus it's like labyrinth thing and elaborate being like go. Go go keep going. Yeah yeah and every time. I hear it. It's all of two or three notes right but it's just. It's amazing yeah. There's a note that i do not have l. Never have that is yes. Yeah get another one of the treasures in the song this labyrinth deep cut. I think i can speak for both myself. Has turned us onto an artist. That was on a radar. But we have never really listened deeply to Sam thank you for bringing this track to us. I guarantee we are going to be listening to it nonstop for the rest of our days. They bring this honored to be here and labyrinth. Any of us all of us would let to speak with you about your music. If you're listening we're waiting. We lose an empty chair. That really is literally zora grabs. It switched on. Pop is produced by me mates loan and he. Charlie harding were edited by jolie myers brandon. Mcfarland is our engineer illustrations by iris. Gottlieb and social media by abby bar were proud members of the vox media podcast network and vulture and are executive producers. Are hana rosen and nishat kurla. Big thanks to j. b. l. Who are supporting us. Making all these exciting miniseries and providing us with the gear. We need to travel around the country making them as we visit friends and family you can find more episodes of switched on pop anywhere. You get podcast. We're talking apple pie. As we're talking spotify talking overcast. We're talking google podcasts. We're talking aps. I'd probably never even heard of but there's always our website. Www dot switched on pop dot com to tune in next week when we will release a brand new episode on a topic has been most requested by our listeners out. There it's good for you. Olivia rodriguez we're going to break down the song with help of very special guest until then it.
Switched On Pop
"sam sanders" Discussed on Switched On Pop
"It's always comforting. Because you're hearing the cord over and over so you never get lost. Like oh i hear it. Yeah i love that sam. Let's bring it back to sexy m f for a second thing was the thing i think you nailed it. I think there's something that's so grounding about those piano chords just going from beginning to end of every one of these songs that allows these artists to like. Fill up the rest of the jack with all of these surprising things patients. Tambor's you don't expect formal divergences. Yeah it's like. Would that piano just chugging along through the entirety of the song gives you a lot of liberty to experiment and all these other musical ramps. Yeah so my take away from this. Is that if you want to have a pop song and you you wanna just kind of go nuts and go wild and try out your trick bag of ear candy. Yeah just lay down to get those chords eighth. No piano. Just anything outta town because the piano just holds. Hold your hand while the other stuff can do everything else around it. Yeah one of the things we've been thinking about in this. Modern classics series is about the way. In which song which or hardest who might be entirely contemporary is either saying something about music writ large in that conversation might even be influencing it. I'm i'm wondering wondering. Are there ways that you're hearing labyrinth. Sound move out into the rest of pop music. i think it is wonderful playfulness. That doesn't ascribe itself to john. Lewis specifically So like there's a lot of fun are going on with this album. But there's also a bunch of pop happening and the stuff that he did in the group. Lsd that's even popular you know. And i think that like he is this artist. Who represents kind of i don't know the way that like all of jen's e just is they. Don't care about jonah anymore. they're like they. Is this a good song. I also think that like he is doing a thing that i think is hard because the song itself and like this kind of bucks a trend but is part of a trend. The song itself is less than three minutes. Long it's just three minutes long and we've talked about pop songs getting shorter because of a lot of different factors and usually when the song is shorter you lose parts of the song you lose chorus you lose verse you lose whatever he still manages to give you a fully formed song and like two minutes and fifty four seconds and it's lovely because it hearkens back to like the way songs used to feel maybe fifteen years ago but it's still the same length that all these new songs are today. He just feels very much aware of like how he fits where he fits in his like comfortable. It is classic and modern at the same time and so cliche. But i really believe it about this guy. It's very i think for that reason. It's very repeatable. I didn't realize that my spotify count had that setting where it immediately replaced the tracker. Listen to actually listen to this track three times in a row before you realize that. It had restarted ways. Yes as i was just enjoying it so much and it just was also seamless. This is interesting because when we listen to this together for the first time my statement to you was wow it just kind of does one thing and you're like that's the i was. I was really bad when when you said that disgruntled. Yeah a lot of things. But i think to to to your point about the the genre like is this. Just a groove. This song is just a groove that sustains you yeah not just for three minutes on loop three times keep wanting to go back more so i think like it has a steadiness has that confidence but within it are all these magical little moments that yeah you want more. Yeah yeah can. I tell you. One thing is my favorite part. Yeah the last chorus if he's providing this really interesting counterpoint. Where it's like him singing against the chorus that is like one note than escalates to a higher note and it's really simple when you think about it but hearing it. It's just magical. It's just magical..
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"sam sanders" Discussed on Switched On Pop
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Pod Save America
"sam sanders" Discussed on Pod Save America
"Like the fact that this conversation has been and we've been able to make this conversation about white kids on my parents for me. There are a little bit less important than like the black and brown kids who just going to grow up confused totally confused. These white kids are going to be fine. These white kids have access to google and tiktok and they're seeing this stuff anyway. These conversations happen anyway. I'm worried about the and brown kids. Who were still told. The civil war was about states rights or were never told the actual history of made up people in this country like their confusion is more important to me than their these white parents discomfort. Sam one more question on this. There's also this aspect in which this is kind of role reversal where we've spent a lot of time. Having republicans use the military as a cudgel against democrats. And this seems like it's the reverse of that. What's your what's your reaction to how that's been playing out. I think it speaks to a larger issue of the way that the entire country conceptualize is the military period. We see it as distinguished wightman drawn leaders like millie who talk that way. Where all the badges. When it actuality a large swath of the military is black and brown working class people many of them women many of them queer. I grew up in san antonio texas and when i was a kid san antonio had about five military bases just in the city and i both high schools i went to or a few miles down the road from randolph air force base and by virtue of my public school being next to an air force base it was the most integrated school at ever gone to in my life. It was about a third white about the third black about a third hispanic. It was a totally integrated society that was of its proximity to the military. And so when. I see these fights over millie. What milly means for the military. I think we have to expand the conversation and say the military was never those white guys at the top. The military is an incredibly working class and in many cases diverse institution. And when you hear from those voices all of them holistically up and down the chain mark milley's comments don't seem out of place right. We're look like we have allowed ourselves to believe another white fantasy about what the military is. And it's never just that it's never been just those white guys fighting our wars. I also think that. Like you know the the laura ingraham's of the world the tucker carlson. They know the power of that. Billy speech trade like their communicators their partisans propagandists and you can look back and pretty. Recent history at comments made by admiral. Mike mullen the previous chairman of the joint chiefs about the need to get rid of. Don't ask don't tell. And the impact that those comments had on moving the debate forward and removing this horrendous rule or law or whatever was getting rid of the stigma right and i think it was interesting and notable to me that lloyd austin who is the secretary of defense African american didn't necessarily seem like he felt like he had the same space to go on this soapbox the way millie did but frankly like we needed to hear it from millie right like he is the sort of i think the kind of messenger who Normally would convince fox news audience and so they saw him as a threat and they went after him as hard as they could in the most personal terms and they did it immediately. It's the elvis effect. You can have all these black sing their songs and they sound great. And that's not a hit until elvis covers it and it's and it's just like it happens in every space in every way all the time and again to get back to my industry we capital j. journalists the media have to fight that tendency to focus on the kind of voices that we think are from central casting. There's a lot of melissa's there's always been a lot of voices. Yeah all right when we come back we will briefly talk about a mini freak out over the infrastructure negotiations and cover a intro fox news fight. That broke out over a surprising column. America's.
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"sam sanders" Discussed on Pod Save America
"Out to be look how incompetent it all turned out to be. Tommy do you think we overstated the case for the fact. That trump was a threat to democracy. Think we're overstating the case now. No no i think it's absolutely clear that he is willing to believe his own lies and he's willing to push people until they go along with them and that he had had the opportunity to stay in power and it sounds like for a while. He and rudy giuliani. Where the only ones who actually thought there was a chance. Mike pence might actually take steps to overturn the election That he would have been happy to remain so i. I think we came very close to him. Sticking around in the most Traditionally th oratory authoritarian manner possible and. It was a big deal. You know it's like it's like lord of the flies. The book starts you like these are little boys. They're gonna have some fun on this island and before you know it shit turns and it's like that's just human you know if you push any human hard enough long enough something happens shit turns and it gets real and so i'm just playing until it's not i mean this is not new to trump. This is just human nature and like trump is rare buddha politician who just doesn't stop button he doesn't have a frigging stop by at all and you can see these connections right. Like trump knows. The election wasn't so he basically talked about it. He gives interviews about the different demographics. He lost at this point and yet he's still says that there's this big lie and everybody plays along and then a bunch of people believe and they show up at the capitol or you have a clearly blatant effort to invent a boogeyman in critical race theory. But it bunch of people start showing up at school board meetings screaming because they believe it. 'cause they really believe that they have internalized it and so the creators of this propaganda may not be great. Organizers may not be successful at it they may not be competent but it's still reaching millions of people every single day and and and ripping at the fabric of our society. And this is the thing that like is always the elephant in all of these rooms. The connective tissue here is fox news. They carry the water. They carry the messaging even mentioned in critical race. Theory like the trajectory of where that story came from this conservative filmmaker. Christopher rufo appeared on fox news in early september of two thousand twenty. He said the words critical race theory. The white house was watching. They saw it. They liked it within a few days. They had rufo at the white house to help them craft donald trump's executive order banning crt and the federal government that happened by the end of september. There's a direct through line to all of these stories. And all of these conspiracies and it is fox news before we go. Obviously this is still playing out because trump held a rally this weekend his first since leaving office. What did he talked about. He talked about the big lie. Sam let me start with you. What were your. What were your thoughts in as this latest rally unfolded i would say to reporters covering it Just because everyone in those pins is full of great. Vox because they'll say crazy stuff for your article doesn't mean it's an actual trend. I think we confuse sometimes the ease at which we can get a story to the importance of the story itself. It's really easy to do a story at a trump rally. We know how to do it at this point. And there's a lot of folks that will give great tape great bites. It doesn't mean that it's the most important store in the country. And i don't think a trump rally right now as nearly as important as journalists. Thank goodness yeah. Yeah i i agree that i do think like sort of having watched the whole thing. I do think it's instructive where you can see what they wanna talk about right. So extensively twenty twenty two was the focus. He leads with crime. He leads with murder. You know defunding. Police borders are overrun cartels and drugs right critical race theory like those are their top core issues but when you get to the end after trump complained about the teleprompters Being messed up by the wind you get it to the parts that he really wants to talk about which is thirty. More minutes re regurgitating. All the election lies. I thought that was interesting and instructive. You're right it's not surprising. It's not new. It's sort of like the core of the gop message. Filtered through the broken brain of the president who would like to have won the election that he lost all right. Well let's leave it there and we come back. Republicans no longer love. The troops patent america is brought to you by june shine. 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Life on the Border: The Political Backstory to Family Separation
"The battle over the trump administration's zero tolerance policy on. Immigration is intensifying with lawmakers in both parties condemning. It as cruel and inhumane. Let's go back a few years to twenty eighteen hours. The spring of twenty eighteen that was president. Trump adopted a so called zero tolerance policy on immigration. This policy would separate families at the. Us mexico border. Children were separated from their parents between april nineteen. The trump white house said that they wanted these separations to be a deterrent to other people thinking about crossing but as we now know. The trump administration didn't actually have a plan to reunite those families that it separates outrage across the country. Do you agree that we need to take care of. Those children are picking your that evening. I'm erin burnett out front tonight. Chaos more than twenty eight hours. After president trump signed an executive order to end his own policy of separating parents and children at the southern border of the united states. The kids as far as we know are still separated and no one in the president. Trump ended his own policy later that summer just months after putting that policy into place that policy may have ended quickly but those images remain the photos of children behind chain link fencing the audio of children crying for their parents. This was and still is an incredibly heartbreaking story and it will probably leave a mark on this country and the trump presidency for decades to come right now. Trump's successor joe biden. He says he is trying to fix it. All we're gonna work to undo the moral and national shame of the previous administration that literally not figuratively ripped from the arms of their families. Their the mothers and fathers at the border with no plan. It sounds great right but as soon as you really start to look you realize. Donald trump was not alone that policy of family separation in some cases it happens before trump as well and they come in through their family just to pay built cages. You know they used to say. I built the cages and then they had a picture in a certain newspaper. There was a picture of these horrible cages and they said look at these gauges president trump built them and then it was determined. There were built in two thousand fourteen. That was him that him is former president. Barack obama and i'm this one. Trump is right sort of
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2 dead, 8 others injured after shootings at Virginia Beach
"Police in Virginia Beach are investigating shootings overnight that left two people dead and eight others wounded. MPR's Giles Snyder reports. Several people are in custody. Virginia Beach police chief Paul knew the gate says it was a chaotic night. We have a very chaotic incident very chaotic night in the beach, many different crime scenes, according to a police statement, the eight people who were wounded we're taking the hospitals with injuries ranging from serious to life threatening. And new to Gates is an officer was injured when he was struck by a vehicle during the initial police response, while police were investigating the initial shooting knew the gate says additional shots were fired nearby, leading to a man being fatally shot by an officer. Has been placed on administrative leave. Separately, A woman who was killed by gunfire is not believed to have been involved in either
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Coronavirus Vaccine Q&A: Variants, Side Effects, And More
"You're listening to shortwave from npr. As more and more of the covid nineteen vaccines. Roll out. Here at npr. We've been getting a lot of questions from y'all questions like if i'm vaccinated. Can i still pass the virus to somebody else. What are the side effects of vaccines. How soon until we vaccinated enough people to return to normal so today on the show we have answers as part of a special segment. I just did on another. Npr podcast called. It's been a minute with sam sanders. Yes i am in the hot seat for this one. Y'all if you haven't checked that show out do it. It consistently makes me thank laugh. Cry it is so so good. I'm eddie. And you're listening to shortwave daily science. Podcast from npr. My dear friend who had a how are you. Welcome back to the show. I'm doing well sam. How are you buddy. I'm good. I feel like the last time we had yuan seems like forever ago but i think my biggest question with crow virus. Yes whether i could still pet other people's dogs. Oh that's interesting. That's an interesting version of that story because it was about whether or not you could kiss them on. The mouth is however members over the past few weeks. We have asked you our listeners. To send in your questions about the vaccine all right if folks were able to get the vaccine. Can they still carry and transmit corona virus to other people. So let's start off with what we know for sure right. We know that the vaccines that are authorized in the us. Do an excellent job of preventing symptoms of covid including those really scary severe symptoms. And let's just say the moment here on the show to acknowledge how monumental that is. I mean that means fewer cases that result in hospitalizations given our healthcare workers break that means less people dying every day. I mean that in itself is huge. And that's what the vaccines were designed and tested to do so. As far as whether or not vaccinated person could have the virus in their bodies. Pass it to somebody else. Even if they don't get sick there is some early. And i mean like really early data. That looks promising Some that shows that vaccinated people are less likely to have the virus in their body at all or they carry less virus. So that's all very good news but we still don't have enough data to say for sure that the vaccine cuts down on transmission or by. How much so for now we just kind of have to wait which means that vaccinated folks should still mask up. When they're interacting with people outside their household especially if those people earned vaccinated if we know that the vaccine will protect you from getting severe symptoms. Most likely is it safe for two people who are fully vaccinated to hug or like hang out in the same room. Yeah okay so. Here's what i will say about this. Because we don't know for sure if vaccinated people can carry the virus those vaccinated people just need to think about who else they are interacting with right. So if you're living at home with somebody who has severely immuno-compromised is in vaccinated. You would treat the situation differently than if you live by yourself right but if you are to vaccinated people. Maybe even wearing masks for. That added layer of risk reduction. I think you've reduced risk enough. You know to hug it out especially if you were to people that don't have like close contact with other people. I am a big proponent of risk reduction that still allows us to have some of our humanity right and requested. You know to vaccinated hugging. I would argue is one of those situations. People will argue with me. But i would say so. You know there are so many headlines it seems like every day there's a new variant of the corona virus who knows where they're coming from. How effective is the vaccine against other and newer variants of corona virus. So this is a great question. Great question other stumper. I wish your listeners. With throw me a couple of corona. So what i would say is. This is another situation where things are developing right. We didn't know about these variants like a month or two ago but there are some data that suggests that the vaccine might not work as well for a few of those variants. At this point you know most of the experts that we're talking to say they will still work right. That's the beauty of having vaccines that super super effective that even if they don't work as well against one variant they will still provide protection In fact public health officials are saying that the best way to prevent these variants from really taking off in the us is by having as many people vaccinated as possible so for now with the variants that we're seeing in the us. It looks like the vaccines will work. Well on most of them and still provide some protection on the others which is good news. All right As more and more people in my circles get the vaccine. I'm starting to hear them. Talk to me about side effects and a few folks. I know said i was fine. Second dose. I was like knocked out for a day. Or what in. General are the side effects of the vaccine. Yeah this is a great question. I'm really glad we're talking about side effects. Because i think it's important to talk about them and be transparent so all vaccines can cause side effects right. And that's because vaccines worked by kick-starting your immune system similar to what would happen with a natural infection so if you do get side effects like you get a little bit of swelling from the shot or you get a mild fever is just your immune system doing what we want it to do now. Rarely vaccines do more serious reactions like allergic reactions for example. So it's really important to talk about allergies with your doctor before getting the vaccine or you know if you get the shot and swelling gets worse after a day or if your other symptoms are getting more severe lasting more than a few days you should call the doctor but the overwhelming majority of the time sam for the two vaccines that are authorized for use in the us. The most common symptoms are pain at site of injection swelling As well as fevers chills aches feeling tired and and some people experience very little of those symptoms and some feel pretty uncomfortable. Like you said for a few days especially after that second shot because that first shot your immune system's like oh. Hey what's up what's up what's going on in that second job was like oh you like now. You're trying to see so so that is really your immune system really being kicked in action. So like you said. I've heard of people that need to take the day off after that second shot. Here's the thing. Sam those types of side effects. Go away right and you know. It doesn't always go away after a few days. Kobe right you know what i mean. So i think it's important to be transparent about vaccine side effects but also to remind people like for the overwhelming majority. This is not even close to being as bad as a bad case of covert all right next question for you. Let's say you're grandparent has been vaccinated But you a younger person have not. Can you still see them And is this scenario. A little bit safer for the more vulnerable person. Okay so this is. This is a good one Because it's all about assessing levels of risk. And like i said you know risk is not an all or nothing scenario and there's a lot to work through to make these types of decisions so let's walk through this example so you've decided you really really want to see your grandparents right. Your grandparents has been vaccinated. So you've cut the risk of them getting that bad case of covid down quite a bit. And that's big right before going. I would probably try to quarantine for a while myself Especially if they are in a nursing home. Because i don't wanna bring cove into that facility. Because i'm not just an interact with my grandparents. You know if they're in their own house maybe that's a different story. So that's all like before the visit. And then on the day of the visit one thing i would leave your audience with is when you're seeing anybody like the thing to think about is how do i cut down on the amount of air i am sharing with people right. That's the big if you can carry that one thing in your head. That's the biggest thing because most transmission happens in close contact through the air not through necessarily like groceries or stuff like that so that's important to keep in mind so if i'm going over to my grandmother's and she makes me call her that sam by the way the full grandmother she demands respect. You will not be called. Grandma i would be. I would be wearing a well fitted mask like we talked about. If i could and this is a huge one i would try to take it outside if i could if not i would want to get fresh air circulating in the room because fresh air circulation is one of the best things you can do if you have to be indoors and then the last thing to think about his time right. It's not just proximity. It's also time. So i'd make the visit pretty short too. I mean the cdc suggests less than fifteen minutes if you're indoors but that's variable so it's just about keeping that visit a short as you can and then after the visit like i said same thing is going in. I'd probably quarantine for a bit just to make sure if i got it. You know somehow from being out. And about i don't spread it. Gotcha gotcha We are seeing millions of americans getting the vaccine which sounds good and feels good. But when do we know that were there. Like what percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated before you can have her immunity. Yeah so okay. This is unsurprisingly. Another complicated one so apple over here over what. i'll take it. I i mean it's not my first choice but it's not my last okay. Okay so if you're not familiar with this term herd immunity happens after people have been infected or vaccinated instill. There's essentially nowhere for the virus to go. There's not enough susceptible. People left for corona virus Tune fact so there aren't those like massive outbreaks but there isn't one straightforward number to reach herd immunity a changes based on a lot of things the biggest one probably is the germ itself so for this corona virus. Some public health officials if thrown around that like seventy to eighty five percent of people would need to be vaccinated or infected to. Have you know the level of immunity that we would need and and the difficulty knowing the answer to your question sam like. When do we reach. That number is that we don't actually even know how many people have gotten the corona virus. You know realistically. There's a lot of infections that we don't catch for multiple reasons. There's a lot of people that have a symptomatic infections. That kind of stuff so that complicates we also don't know how long immunity lasts so for some diseases. You get once in your protected for years or your lifetime and that's probably not what's going to happen with this one really got those variants on the scene. You've heard of those variants. Those could play a role here too. So there's a scenario in which this first round the vaccine that folks get first two rounds they'll have to be more vaccine shots down the road. I mean there's the potential for that it would be kind of like a booster situation. Perhaps we don't really know yet right now. It looks like our vaccines are working. Really well but i know that there are some vaccine companies that are looking into developing more vaccines. That would you know basically be kind of a booster situation. So i think you know san we ask like when can we reach her immunity when things go back to normal you know i would argue and people would argue with a gun That herd immunity might not be a reality for this virus like some people might know. It's not it's not that bad. Some places might achieve something close to it but this is a global pandemic right like viruses travel with people who travel so real herd immunity. You know global herd immunity would be tough to achieve. And so you know. I think we have to learn how to live with this virus to be realistic. You know the coronavirus will probably be around to some degree for a long time. And so i think focusing on what we can do you know getting vaccinated if you can continue asking up physically distancing reducing your risk as much as you can the more we do those things right now the faster we will get to our new normal which sam. I am happy to tell you. We'll be much much much more livable than where we are. Now last big picture question for you. Matty like a lot of the answers around these questions are complicated and nuanced and data and information will change over time as scientists learn more things but is there any kind of certainty yet or any kind of forecasting on the uncertainty horizon. About what our springs and summers might look like regarding the scene. Can you forecast what the next few months might deal. I mean say It's it's really really tough. I wish i could give you a better idea of this but what it will say is that i understand the question. And it's it's something that i sit with. You know every single day. It's it's it's really hard right like to know when this thing is going to be over like when things are going to feel better and what a would say is that these vaccines are going to make a huge difference. You know when. I said we're not going to be corona virus free. That doesn't mean that it's going to be in our face like this all the time. I mean i. It could be something similar to the flu. Where still impacts our lives but we have systems to to live with it. And you know if these vaccines are rolled out quickly and equitably. I've heard public health officials talking about this fall or or maybe more at the end of the year like really feeling a lot. More of a return to normal. Even if it's not totally back to normal. But i think more importantly than predicting when it will happen is just you know keeping the faith that it will happen like knowing that this will happen we will return to this newish normal and and that we have agency you know and that we have a say in this so so
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Biden vows to defeat domestic terrorism
"Do we know so far? About what the Biden administration is going to do to handle this rising threat of white nationalism and hard right extremism. Will there be big changes that agencies like the FBI or homeland security? We were definitely waiting to see what he's going to do rhetoric on the rhetoric front. I mean, he's been pretty clearer in, you know, calling this a priority. He named it in his inaugural address. So he doesn't have a problem naming it and he has already, you know, tap some veteran counterterrorism officials specialists for key national security roles. People who were involved in shaping and policy making during the so called war on terror era. So you know for some people that's reassuring, but to others, you know, especially civil liberties advocates. You know that makes them nervous because again we saw in some cases, some of those counterterrorism policies were sitting conflicts are widening conflicts stigmatizing ordinary Muslims and Leaving a stain on the country's record of civil rights and civil liberties. Well,
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Sea Shanties Have Taken Over TikTok
"Apparently the biggest trend on tiktok are she sees shanties Gen z fallen in love with impossible. It's impossible to say see shanti shanti. Shanti no blew up per buddha turn below. My believe boys blow. They love about the thing. That i think is most about tiktok is why i love the ratatouille. Musical thing is just like the collaborative tools that they have built really are genius like it is so easy just to come layer at on the sees the evolution of something right to go back and find like the first video and then like people adding on and it just becomes like there's something release sweet about that
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Joy Behar tells Meghan McCain ‘I did not miss you’ following maternity leave
"Joy behar is one of the co host of the view. She's one of the more outspoken liberal co host and she was talking to her other co host meghan mccain who is more conservative on the view megan mccain had been out for baby leave and she was back on the show. This week track right. I'm somebody raised me so much when i was on maternity leave. You missed me so much. You missed fighting with me on this issue as someone who watches have you quite a bit or at least the clips online. I really don't think any of those other co host meghan mccain. My my mom is a big view watcher. And so she would watch especially when meghan mccain started and my mom is not a big fan of making mccain. I don't think my mom would mind me saying that. And she would be like she don't need to be on the show and we will talk about it but now it seemed like those other ladies do not really do not get
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California Seeks to Join Justice Department Antitrust Case Against Google
"Office announced yesterday that California's Department of Justice intends to join the federal DOJ in a lawsuit alleging Google violated antitrust laws. KQ Edie's Rachel Myrow reports, the complaint alleges Google is stifled competition and rigged the advertising market. How by paying billions each year to device makers like Apple and Samsung. Carriers like 18 19, Verizon to make Google their default Internet search engine in a statement aged heavier, But Sarah wrote Google's dominance leaves consumers with quote little other choice than to accept it's less popular privacy practices and data collection policies. Google's response will continue to make our case in court. I'm Rachel Myrow
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Trump 'doing very well,' White House physician says
"President Trump's doctor says the president is doing very well as a team at Walter Reed Man Military Medical Center provided an update earlier today on Trump's Corona virus treatment. NPR's Sam Green Glass has details. White House physician Sean Conley told reporters that President Trump has been without a fever for 24 hours. But he also said Trump is now 72 hours into his diagnosis, raising questions about the timeline of when Trump was actually diagnosed to be positive. That's earlier than the Thursday night tweet. When Trump announced he was positive, another doctor said Trump has been receiving treatment for 48 hours now, Conley said President Trump is not currently on oxygen, but would not say that he had never been on oxygen during the course of the illness. President was transported to Walter Reed Friday afternoon. By helicopter. Sandrine Glass. NPR NEWS
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Alphabet settles shareholder lawsuit over alleged mishandling of sexual misconduct
"Learning. Alphabet. Google's parent company has settled a Siri's of shareholder lawsuits over its handling of sexual harassment claims under the settlement filed yesterday in California Superior Court Alphabet agreed to commit $310 million to corporate diversity efforts over the next decade, Employees will no longer have to settle disputes with alphabet using private arbitration. And the Mountain View based company also agreed to limit confidentiality agreements during sexual harassment and discrimination cases. The lawsuits were in response to reports that three top Google executives quietly left the company admitted misconduct allegations
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Most California Schools Unlikely To Open In Fall Under New State Rules
"California's governor has issued new rules that could keep public schools across much of the state closed this fall. Kyle Stokes of member station KPCC reports if their toe open counties will have to reverse a surgeon Corona virus Cases. Governor Gavin Newsom says schools cannot open for in person classes if their county Has been on the state's Corona virus monitoring list in the past 14 days. Much of Southern California the Bay Area and Central Valley is currently on that watch list. Here's Newsome. We all prefer. In classroom instructions for all the obvious reasons, but on Ly on ly if it could be done safely. The state's two largest school districts, Los Angeles and San Diego have already announced they'll resume classes next month online on Lee, But the governor's order would override plans like in suburban Orange County to offer some on campus instruction. Start the New Year for NPR News. I'm Kyle
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Better News with Sam Sanders
"Sam Sanders. Thank you so much for joining us today. Just seemed beautiful faces. You have done a lot of political reporting for NPR. You also host the podcast standard minute which covers pop culture and news so much happening in the world right now. That requires you to be plugged in I'm curious. How has the news been affecting you? In this moment it's been it's been a lot so like the news. Itself is heavy, and it's hard as a drink of color to be a real human being who you are and also processed kind of news I. Think what's bigger for me. What's larger from my mind? Right now is how. Black germ was trickily. We are asked to be a part of this story. educate white people and our white friends, but also be extremely diplomatic, and above the fray at the same time. I think even on twitter I've noticed a lot of the people that I follow being respectful about the kinds of images share, but on cable news is kind of like I mean. How many times was the image of George Floyd circulated? It makes me wonder what you think about how these stories are being covered I, think. We are seeing. Newsroom leaders. In this moment seek to cover the black men and women who are being killed by police seek to cover the black people, and all kinds of people out there protesting and marching, and the same instances they do not accept the full humanity of the black journalists in their Dutra this idea of objectivity, which is been around and. Mention John Lesson for a few decades now basically says all journalists are above the fray. They are not partisan. They are not local. They don't take any side. report the facts now. We're faced with his moment where we're having talk about black lives, matter again and newsrooms are asking folks like me to be. Objective in that Muzasa us to see both sides. But there's no both sides when a man like me is being choked up for eight minutes night. I watch cable. News and you just watching the news in general I feel like I've never seen so many kind of flat correspondence. Grave because you have them there, but it's also tough because he feels like. They're bringing them out to kind of just comment on this moment. Comment on trauma, and it's not just common. We are asked in many ways to publicly perform black grief for white consumption, and so my flight in this the moment is to say, amplify these flat voices, but don't make us. Criers were more than that journalists. It seems like right now. The it's more urgent than ever to stay informed, but. It feels all that. It seems like it's like one horrible thing after another. I'm curious like somebody who has to stay informed. How do you do that with out losing it? I would say the first order business is knowing that like you don't have to be on twitter all the time, and you should not be on twitter all the time. I think especially at night. We have to monitor our media consumption we can go to. To Sleep. There are many nights now I will turn the phone off. Walk the phone down to my car in the parking garage in my building. Put the bone in the car. The is every night in Sam's went upstairs to go to bed and then I think the second order of business is to consistently kind of truth. Squad yourself with other people you trust and Mike talk about this news with other people that you trust. If you sit at home on the scroll on the feet all day, and it's just you and your thoughts by the end of the day your tears. It is okay to call someone you know interest just to unpack. At this point is too much for anyone to deal with alone too much last night I was able to sleep in its partners. I'm able to function, but like the day before I made the mistake of opening twitter just before I went to sleep in literally the first thing in time I was video of a black being being killed Yup and I did not sleep. What can we ask you? This register is as journalists than black folks on the Internet. We feel this duty in moments like this to constantly be in the struggle, but what I always tell myself is. You can't centers up on fire to keep other people more. And at a certain point, your self destruction is not helping anyone. With so much processing of our own that we have to do with all of these traumatic entrenching headlines. I'm wondering. Has Anything changed for you about how you report the news? Take the imaginary white man off your shelter. I think what I think. Leg We so much. Show is a podcast, and it's also on the radio and the average age demo of a weekend. NPR listener is fifty eight years old plus mostly white for the longest time I was at. Gut Check everything I did and say we'll look. Will that person get and so I think my responsibility in charge to myself now? Is Not to worry if they understand all of it or like all of it, but to worry about it, but I'm saying it's true NFL what saying speaks to the vomit. I have consumed white media since I was a kid, and I just figured it out I watched frazier. Do you know I watch? I watch all that stuff and I. Know I can I can figure this out I want to give my white listeners same grace, so that's been my charged myself in this moment cake. This imaginary white may have to perform for off my shoe. And just? Tell the truth and making play
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Journalists of Color
"Before the interviews I wanNA share my theory. For why all of this exploded for journalists of Color Right now? It goes back a few years. So many of us went from covering the first black president to covering Donald Trump. And ever, since trump came down that escalator, announcing his campaign back in Twenty fifteen, when he denounced Mexicans as drug traffickers rapist. When he was that he would build a wall at the border and that Mexico will pay for it. Those journalists were told to avoid using words like racist or lie to describe some of trump's worse behavior. That kind of self censorship, especially on race for a lot of us, it became untenable after we had to cover the death of George Floyd and report on that video of a black man, being choked to death for eight minutes. On top of that we are now dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, which is laying bare racial inequities across this country. And Corinthian has given a lot of us time to sit and think. Notice what's going on in the world and in our lives and in our newsrooms? You have black journalists and other journalists of color who think of themselves as truth seekers in the same way that their white colleagues, too, but very often when they tell the truth about racism when they tell the truth about. Bright, white supremacy. They're labeled as activist. Highs! They dared to bring their blackness across the newsroom threshold. PSORIATIC McDonald's has been thinking a lot about race and the news. So I asked her as a black journalist in this moment. What does she want to see change so I would say what I want is actual structural change within newsroom leadership? I do not want the equivalent of painting black lives matter on a street in yellow letters, but in a newsroom. It's visible. By that doesn't really solve anything when it comes to pay discrepancies between. White male journalists and black female journalist who do the same job have the same level of experience and one is making thirty thousand dollars a year more than the other. The other thing is that. You cannot have. Newsroom leadership that is completely made up of six Cheddar straight white men. Even. Under straight white women. Zicklin or gender straight Whiteman that power needs to be distributed more equitably. You know the other thing died. I want to see I wanNA see US cover. Race honestly. right? Race isn't just something that black people, experience or something that non white experience, attempting that everyone experience and says and so. There needs to be a baseline of literacy rate when it comes to how we talk about race with an America how it operates within American history, and how that informs. President and what world. News media has played in that way. We have to consider that. The last time that we had a pandemic, the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic. We need to recognize that. The paper of record in Chicago the Chicago Tribune. Is Basically scapegoating black people who are fleeing the American south, basically saying Oh half a million darkies are basically invading Chicago. If that's objectivity as not the kind of objectivity that I want to participate in them. Yeah, yeah, I WANNA get personal a little bit You ended up being quoted in New York Times. Article about this reckoning talking about how you didn't have a great time at the Washington Post. You've tweeted about your experience as a black woman in newsrooms. What does this reckoning meant for you? And what have you been trying to get off your chest and this moment about your experience? In some of the newsroom's that we've been talking about my hope for this reckoning. is that. There is not one more class of you know young. Ernest! Twenty two year old coming out of journalism school I'm who basically have to go through this really damaging gauntlet. We're constantly sort of questioning yourself and your own worth and I think there are a lot of really talented journalists who have been driven from the field. Because at some point, they feel like they have to make a choice between their own mental health. Or being journalist. And they just self-preservation and I cannot blame them. and that is really a shame, because think about the people that those journalists now think about the stories that they could have told. The access they could have had picked the access to walk into certain spaces at their white colleagues cannot exactly and you know one of the ways, and this is not the only way that this is important, but one of the ways that this is important is. We need them to trust us. Our job is to tell their stories and to tell them accurately and to tell them fairly. And if people are are always getting pushed out the folks who might actually be able to empathize with them who know where they're coming from right I? There's a quote from their lake when I fall where she basically expresses the you know, she's probably the only person who covered public housing who's actually lived in public housing? That, yeah, that is. Expertise right that is. Valuable knowledge so I just I want us to be able to practice our profession with humanity. Yeah, and also it's like in this moment where it seems like more than ever before. At least in my lifetime, there is such a deficit of trust. Americans don't trust institutions. They don't trust journalism. They don't trust facts. Worst argument about whether or not mask can prevent the spread of Corona virus like in this environment if newsrooms don't act in fix some of this stuff. is going to create more mistrust in the media and these news outlets will become less relevant in a moment in which I would argue. They are needed more than ever before. Yes, and you know the thing is is and I've said this repeatedly at that American journalism does have a credibility crisis. The the credibility crisis that we have I think. Actually bears a lot of similarities to. Our current sort of Voter disenfranchisement problem. Being. In Journalism, we have not spent enough time. with the very same folks who are often disenfranchised when it comes to media coverage as well right. And when we think about the press and freedom of the press is an instrument of democracy we have to think about. enfranchising everyone, we have to think about making sure that they do find us credible. The folks. If they look at the newspaper, even look at a website or they listen to the radio and their conclusion is. That these entities are not telling the truth about them in their lives and held their lives are. For them yeah for them. That's a credibility issue for us. Yeah we can fix. It failed them. That means that. We have to develop far better relationships with folks who have historically been shunned or shut out of district of media coverage are only allowed to participate in very limited ways. You know I still very much believe in that adage, the journalism exist to comfort the afflicted and afflict comfortable. Thanks again to riot, not at McDonald's the culture writer for the undefeated and also this year. She was nominated a pilot sir. My mind. I wanted to hear from other journalists of color about their newsroom experiences. And they wrote in. Here if you, my name is Lavi Cima Guy side. I'm a naturalized citizen who came to this country as a young child. I worked at a bare he a newspaper for a long time and have fond memories of my time there. I had mostly white editors, and in fact, I've only had one non white supervisor in my over two decades in journalism. My name is John. Sepulvado, I mixed. I have Mexican Irish indigenous and Black Ancestry I worked in public media for fifteen years. There are tons of horror stories. There was the white woman editor who asked me if I like dog-fighting because she quote hurt. Might People like dogfighting? There was another white woman editor told me to smile more around the office because I quote have dark features and those dark features, scared herself and other white women around the office. One time a headline I, wrote for one of my own stories, led to a newsroom wide, meeting an emotional one, where a bunch of US had to persuade top editors to let us call the president's racism what it is! The most frustrating part was that I and others had to explain to our colleagues. Why our voices were important. And partly because they reflected the communities we covered. argued. Repeat, a thousand more stories like that. But at. A point I realized. That no matter what I did no matter how good I was no matter how hard I worked. I would always be seen. As something that is not. White. And my mobile was the leave the industry. All right time for a break. When we come back, we will hear from Latina, trailblazer who refused to leave the news business. Instead. She started her own media company to tell the stories that she wanted to tell. Hey another reminder asking you all to fill out that survey for us. Okay, it is anonymous. It is short and the link for it is NPR DOT org slash I B. A. M. Survey. All one word I BAM SURVEY NPR DOT Org. Slash IBM. Filled out I'll be really happy if he do thanks. This message comes from NPR sponsor discover. Sometimes, food is more than just food. It's an integral part of the community so this year discoveries, giving five million dollars to support black owned restaurants to places like Rodney Scott Barbecue in Charleston post office spies Birmingham back in the day bakery, and Savannah and hundreds more places in your local community all across the country. 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It is attributed by NPR. which is why you hear NPR in the credits, but that will be changing USA is moving. As distributor. It means nothing's GonNa Change for you. Our listener that our audience is going to get way way way bigger. We're very excited. Announcement might have been confusing for listeners, but don't worry like. She said you'll still be able to hear the show. But the Journal of Color, especially in public radio that move meant that NPR was losing a hugely influential show dedicated to covering Latino stories in the US. And from its founding NPR has been well bad on race. More than seventy percent of NPR's newsroom is white and of the sources you here on NPR's air, those voices they are more than eighty percent white. People of Color who work in public media? We have been saying for years. Fix this including Maria Hosa. We're asking the question. Are you listening? Are you hearing? And that his own ready a power dynamic that is wrong. This notion is the assumption that they the they will always have the power I. Ask Maria what Latino USA leaving NPR means for this network, but I I asked her about blazing trails. One could see your path to be one of color who found her own company as a shining success, but one could also see your path as proving that the conventional spaces in media can accommodate of voice like you the way they should you know like. I'm so proud of what you're doing, but also the fact that you have to make your own production company shows at the NPR's and the PBS's and the CNN in many ways. Don't get it and can't help people like you tell the stories that you need to tell. I was thinking about that as I was thinking about our interview Sam because. My husband calls me Aguirre, a warrior, and then as I was thinking about our conversation, Sam. I was like well. That's great i. like that, but you know what I don't want. Journalists of color to have to be warriors at into order to be able to work as To work as journalists of Contians, who can bring their entire cells into the news room? Who are going to be seen who are going to not only be seen and heard but actually. Put into positions of power to be the ones who are listening and making the decisions about. Yeah, we want that story on the front page and the headline is going to say that exactly. I want you you know everyone has been using it. Everyone's been going to twitter sharing their reckoning story, the slight the knocked in that promotion. The being told you can't do this do that. Give me one of your reckoning stories from your career when I when I come to this country, I'm born in Mexico. My whole family's born in Mexico. We're raised on south side of Chicago. You know sixties and seventies, but as Mexican immigrants we also understood the essential nature of journalism and American independent journalism and so. My father was watching. Meet the press every Sunday and we were watching the today show and we watched sixty minutes, and because of the fact that it was so American in holding people accountable and I was like that's what journalism is so long. Story Short is many years later actually a decade ago go to sixty minutes when I'm out of work and needed a job actually and. They basically like look, can you Can you come back and talk to us? When one of the old white guys get secret is really and I, said and I just remember like. Like am I supposed to laugh? It's funny. Is that a joke as being? and. As we do in the media's people of Color, 'cause we're really good at laughing things off. Like. Yeah. Banter you know the the the the the we're so smart. On. Exactly Racism! Exactly. And I got into the subway at fifty ninth street onto my apartment in Harlem and I cried on the train. and. I was just like, but I am not. You know I'm knocking to let this take me down. And that was the moment that I decided to create food. Media Winds Rams history. Takes over Latino, USA. And Expands Latino USA grows the show and let the USA's audience twenty seven years in. Is in a continual upward trajectory. You love to see it. As I. Want to ask more about what needs to happen. We are in this moment now. Where so many journalists coming forward with their stories? But it's still unclear what newsroom leaders will actually do to fix this stuff you have been on all sides of media for profit nonprofit. Give me like a checklist of the big three or four things that mass media should do right now to effectively respond to the issues raised in this reckoning. Feel like this is a moment to be having that difficult conversation, which is pushing this reckoning that we're talking about to another level. I'm going. Give you an example, Sam it brings me joy, it brings me no joy to have to ask white men in senior editorial positions how they consider my role as a Mexican immigrant woman journalist. In relation to a president who insults every single one of those things that I do? And and And basis a lot of that on his white supremacy. Which is very challenging word to even use in our newsrooms right, but yeah. I don't feel comfortable saying it. I want you to feel uncomfortable having to answer that question. Because his white supremacy does not impact you in the way, it impacts me, and I am a journalist just like you. I am an equal journalist just like you so now. You helped me to figure out. Harmon handle that because that that impacts our might quote unquote objectively, you have to be able to recognize that you do not have an ownership of activity or an ownership of the media or an ownership of public media, or it's not yours to share yeah. Did any of the issues we've discussed about. In diversity and Unfair situations that journals of have to deal within this industry. Did those factor into your business decision. To leave NPR ex. Look I've had you know NPR's my family? IF NPR calls I'm going to say when you I was absolutely and Bureau Sam he's my family. You know we hung out once, but he's. He's my brother. Because we're digesting PR so NPR's my family Mi. Familia was my first job. But You know I started a company. And I have a team of very savvy business and media executives journalists. And when they said look, we have an opportunity here in in a competitive marketplace A. Somebody PR X.. Who wants to really go big? Yeah, I will say you know they are all of these. Underground email channels and slack channels and discussion boards were journalists of color are coming together to talk about all these issues and there's been a lot of chatter about your show. What says about NPR yeah? Why am I so disconnected? Oh my God. I thought I. Thought I was like connected because I'm on twitter and I got a fat. And what folks have been saying? People who love your show Oh my goodness. They're saying well. This speaks to the larger problems. NPR has always had with content may for people of Color. They don't market it enough. They don't support it enough. You have these program. Directors at various stations put a show like yours on at not great hours. This is the stuff that people are saying. Do you I mean like to the extent that you can elaborate on it, you know. Did you feel like NPR? Neglected or didn't promote enough your type of show. So of these issues at play with the race and diversity in space like NPR. Again. Let New USA right now is growing an audience at kind of extraordinary numbers I think we're one of the few public radio programs or previously distributed by NPR. That is growing an audience at these numbers. And so the fact that. We made this decision. Says everything about. WHAT NPR. Kind of thinks. About letting USA. Now having said that I don't know you know I. Don't know the internal finances at NPR. Maybe NPR's is is really facing a a real financial challenges that I'm not privy to. And so you know, but but when you're thinking about AH, show, that has this kind of. Audience Commitment There was a point not long ago. When one of your colleagues called me up, actually she works in. She's a Latina colleague at NPR in the newsroom, and she called me up and she said. Do you think that Latino USA has been this incredibly successful because of NPR or despite NPR. And no one had asked me that and I kind of like. ooh And I said well actually despite. Despite NPR, do you think you know 'cause? There are a lot of shows not produced by NPR. Distributed by NPR. Do, you think other shows like that in your same boat that were hosted by white people or felt to maybe India leadership more mainstream. Do you think they got more support than your show did pound for pound? Yeah How does that make you feel? Like I said, that's why. I didn't. See I've been feeling this for a long time, my love. News, so Gimme a word for the emotion. Well right now I'm glad that I'm with a partnership with Pr X.. That's not gonNA units not on the table so I'm like I'm looking to the future. That's why I'm like yeah I'm all about like? It's all about the dodge this morning, boxing teacher. was making us do the we've the. We've the constant, which by the way is really really hard, and that's just how I feel is a journalist of color in a survivor Mexican immigrant woman in this like it's always like whoo. Okay well and so. That stuff that you're saying like. How does it make me? That's rolled off me a long time ago, and it is a central part of what has moved me as a journalist as a woman of color in this country is that. Is like. Oh, you're going to try to silence me or tell me that I'm not objective or tell me that I have an agenda or tell me that is not going to be successful or tell me. Okay I might go home and cry. But I'm not GONNA give up. Thanks, again to Maria Hinojosa. She's the host of the Tino USA. We asked NPR for a response to what Maria told us and they gave us this statement. We have the highest respect and admiration for the Latino USA team and from Maria Hinojosa. We are proud. That Latino USA originated at NPR member station, K. U. T., and that since nineteen, ninety-four NPR has been the program's national distribution partner today, hundreds of NPR member stations bring the show to their listening communities. We are grateful. Maria entertain who are produced a consistently wonderful show and nurtured journalist who have gone on to work all over the public radio system. We are glad public radio listeners will continue to hear Latino. USA on their public radio stations across the nation. All right now. We're going to have a chat with someone who just began working with NPR Kelly. McBride NPR's newest public editor. I WanNa talk with her. About one particular part of this entire debate, the way in which we've been taught as journalists to do our jobs that most fundamental level leads to systemically racist outcomes. I am talking specifically about the idea of journalistic objectivity. This idea that reporters only report the facts. They keep themselves out of the story, and they eliminate all biased in their coverage. A lot of folks say well. That only works if you're man and straight. And White. I wanted to find out. Why are journalism so entrenched in objectivity and whether or not this standard is fair, so I went to one of the top journalism at experts in the country I am the senior vice president at the POYNTER institute. I am the chair of the Craig Newmark Center Ethics in leadership at the Poynter Institute and I am also the public editor for NPR that Kelly McBride. Kelly has advised newsrooms about difficult journalism ethics problems for years, so it made. Made, sense to begin by asking Kelly for her definition of objectivity in journalism, it really means that you will objectively pursue the facts in order to determine the truth, and there's all sorts of things that go into that right like there's how you frame the story how you identify who you're going to interview, and then really important is who else is involved in the story. So who edits it because that the the safety nets that are created in newsrooms are meant. To help an individual program against her own bias now the problem is if all the safety nets have the same biases that that doesn't happen right and that's. That's exactly what's been happier. Also objectivity has come to mean certain different things for different journalists. There are some. Who say well objectivity means that you have to. Pretend! That kind of you don't exist, and you have to just simply say what these powerful people are saying doing. You don't provide context you don't provide analysis. It's a kind of. Totally taking yourself all the way out of it to the point where you won't even tell people if you vote or not. And I think. This is the thing for me like there's so many different interpretations of what objectivity means, yet you know that's actually kind of a confederation of two different principals in journalism, so one is the principle of objectivity in this idea that that we are pursuing the truth in spite of our own biases, and that that we actually promised, swear to God that we're going to get it right because we have all these safeguards in place, even though they've failed numerous times in the past. But the other thing is is that in American journalism in particular? It was built on this business principle of aggregating A. Politically diverse audience, and then selling that audience to advertisers, so in in Europe you see much more you see much more of the journalism coming through a political lens because that's just how the business model grew up over there, but over here especially as in different markets, you went from multiple newspapers to a single newspaper. There was this motive that was really a business motive that you would bring in the entire political spectrum and if you were going to do that, you needed to convince that audience that you in the newsroom didn't have. Any particular biases it is refreshing to hear you as a leader in the industry acknowledged that some of this is about the principles and bedrocks of our journalism, and some of it's about business, and at the end of the day for whatever reason we have ended up with a definition of objectivity. That is as much about business as it is about telling the truth and I think what frustrates so many journalists, somebody younger journalists, journalists of color or women require journalists as at newsroom leaders are resistant to acknowledge that I read NPR's social media policy, and it's couched in terms of ethics and morality and idealism. But I also know that part of it is the bottom line is. Not Do anything of the public facing person at NPR. That would possibly damage NPR's revenue streams. And I mad. They don't just say that. Yeah? They don't mean to say that they. Don't I mean that's the thing is they? Don't. They really do believe, and I actually believe also that there is. That there is a line somewhere that we shouldn't cross, and maybe it is way up the continuum on just. If you're a political reporter. You can't help people who you're voting for. Maybe the line is all the way over there. Right, because of imagine that like if you were a political reporter in you were covering. Trump's campaign and you again. I'm voting for Biden though I was that guy. Did you tell people out loud. I didn't tell folks voting for in two thousand sixteen, and I wouldn't but I think gets. Those are the ones where I think everyone can agree, but there's there's there's other things like how much of me do I. Bring to a story when I'm covering police violence against black men. Am I allowed to say that's racist. Because I know what racism is experienced, it trust me and don't make me say racially tinged. Like those, and that's where it gets murkier well. You know you know where I. I experienced this. Yeah, so when gay marriage was was a hot hot issue, right? They were different cities or states that were making gay marriage legal. The Supreme Court hadn't yet decided in San Francisco the mayor of San Francisco. made it legal and a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle on a Saturday after weeks of covering it, the City Hall reporter went down and got a marriage license, and she was taken off the beat. Wow, and as in as an ethicist, right is a journalism ethicist. I was like wait a second. That can't be right. because. She was exercising in San Francisco. What was a legal right? You don't mean you didn't tell people who'd been divorced. They couldn't cover this issue because they'd you know somehow. Defiled the sanctity of marriage by? Getting divorced. So that was, that was where realized that you cannot penalize people for who they are. That's not fair. Yeah, because you end up with the only people that are untainted enough to do all the work are people who are only straight are people who are only men are people who have only gone to college and has a certain pedigree people who are an the deaths a problem, so bias is to right. It's just that we don't well. That's the thing, but these leaders aren't seeing those. Yeah, because they look just like them. I think now what is required to speak to the Syria. Systemic issues being raised in this reckoning. Going to have to be an acknowledgement that the movement toward writing these wrongs. It's going to be in some ways painful and you should do it anyway. From your conversations with newsroom leaders across the country. Do you think they're ready to accept that idea that this might hurt that? It might not just be. A statement and everyone shakes hands, and says sure good now now I mean nobody wants to voluntarily sign up for something painful. You do it because you know that what comes on the other side is worth head. There's individuals in every single newsroom who are part of the problem. Then somebody has to tell those people that if they want to keep their jobs, they have to stop being part of the problem, and that means that they're either going to have to be quiet. Or they're going to have to change or leave. Just leave well. That's I mean if they want to keep their job right like. Yeah and I've seen people. Who are these problem, people? I don't think I've ever seen any of them. Actually chain, but I've seen some of them. Learn to be quiet and let other people lead. And then they actually become the beneficiary. Of what comes after yeah. And then I. Think also so many lessons of me too I. Think are applicable to this meteoroid. Me To kind of work. Because a lot of folks were just literally canceled and they had to go, they were shamed. They were fired. And you said you can't be here anymore. And it was painful for them, and probably all the folks that liked them in love them but like. Sometimes, it's just that yeah. So my last question for you back to these two ideals that butt heads this idea of objectivity. But also this business idea of needing to be somewhat neutral to appeal to a large audience. And reworking probably reassessing, what objectively means a newsroom? What advice would you give to newsroom leaders? Writing up that next ethics guideline for their journalist about quote, Unquote Objectivity Post reckoning. Yeah, so this is where I'm supposed to come through with something really profound and I mean I. I am I. Am humble enough to say. That I don't have the answer yet. But I'm also arrogant enough to say that I believe after working through lots of really really hard ethics problems with newsrooms that I think we are going to find the answer and I think it's going to start by. Recognizing that there is a difference between. Revealing political bias. and. Revealing lived experience. And we need to start there and say your lived. Experience should not count as political bias. Thanks again to Kelly McBride joining us and thanks to everyone who, over the last week or so shared very very personal stories about life as a person of color in the newsroom. I heard from colleagues as well. And one thing one of those colleagues told me about all of this. She said so much of this work is convincing journalist. who think they've been doing it right for so long that maybe in some ways they've been doing it wrong. And then she said to me. This phrase really stuck with me, she said. How do you argue with the fish about the water there's. I. Don't know just yet how to do that. It's pretty difficult. It seems frustrating,
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Not Everyone Gets To Use iPhones In The Movies
"They let us iphones in movies. But and this is very pivotal. If you're ever watching a mystery movie bad guys cannot have iphones on camera. Who said that. I don't even get it if the if you're watching a mystery movie bad guys can't have iphones on camera. This famous director who directed one of the biggest mystery films of last year. Said Apple will never let you put an iphone in the hands of a villain. Oh it's bad. Pr For them. Was the biggest mystery film of last year knives out. Yes okay so this is the point. Yes so Ryan Johnson Director of the film knives out which I saw twice in love. It's great talking Vanity Fair this week and he said yet. This is a dirty little secret of Hollywood Apple Iphone to look a certain way and movies and they don't want to be tied to the villains
Pop Culture Happy Hour
Netflix's 'Love Is Blind' brings the reality dating show into 2020
"Netflix plan to take over television has extended to dating shows for a while. But perhaps they've never made one so weird so baffling at so cringe. Inducing Lee embarrassing for everyone involved as love is blind and you probably know someone who's watching it then what the show insists on calling an experiment. Couple sit in separate cells that they call pods where they can hear each other but not see each other and once they've had a conversation or two if they're getting along they get engaged and only then do they meet will any of them. Make it to the altar. I'm Stephen Thompson and I'm Linda Holmes. We're talking about the NETFLIX series. Love is blind on this episode of Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR joining me and Steven from NPR. West is one of our most treasured friends. Who the record should show. We did not force to watch. Love is blind Sam Sanders the host of. It's been a minute. Hello Sam I would. A page ought to be on this show. We should also point out that Y'All can't see me in her. We're trying to figure out whether we can possibly have a meaningful conversation county each other so before we get to deeply into it. The basic idea of this show is that you start with some men and some women they all sit and if you think of them as little tiny prison cells with furniture and painted walls they are separated by a wall that they can't see through but they can hear through so it's basically like having a conversation with someone in two adjoining phone booths. And so they talk to each other and then if they like each other enough to get engaged without ever having met or spoken to a non television based situation they move out of those pods and they go on vacation and live together and see if they really really want to get married they all have to have a wedding and go up to the altar. And then when you're up there you have to decide. Are you going to say yes? Are you going to say now? Dump you forever Steven. You're a viewer of trashy television. Way Back leaving. Some fairly trashy dating shows enough that I can peg this show as a combination of the bachelor married by America and Mr Personality hosted by Monica Lewinsky. Boy Cut. What did you think of this one? You know the first episodes I struggled a little bit. I found it very stressful. It's got some of that kind of falsely generated conflict. It's a dating show. I've kind of weaned myself off of the Bachelor Bachelorette for kind of ethical reasons as much as anything and getting back into a dating show. Took me a couple episodes. At which point I could not stop watching it. The instruction going in with Stephen. I know you're very busy right now. Even just watch three or four. I've watched all ten and burned through them. Basically in one sitting one of the things that makes this show. So Benjamin is that it's on Netflix. So there are among other things no commercials and no reason to break into the show and say begun. And then I'll come up the senior about to see and then you come out of commercials. Here's a recap of what you saw. Before the commercial break with the bachelor going back but he's Ryerson on streaming services edited versions of the Bachelor and the Bachelorette where they cut that crap out and then each episode will be like twenty six minutes long. So this doesn't have that but it's centered on this ludicrous false choice between getting married or never seeing each other again. Which is down like they're not allowed to subvert the show in any way they're not allowed to say like f you were dating. There's sort of forced to do one or the other and they. They all seem to buy into this experiment in a way. That is very silly but at the same time it is a weirdly intoxicating show that I ultimately enormously enjoyed even though it's very very stupid. Yeah I basically agree with that. Take Sam a hit me. What did you think? Oh Man so. There are two big reasons. I love this show one for what it says about net flix and to for what it says about what we normally do. And don't say about love one. This really shows that like in spite of trying to be the place for Prestige Film. Net flicks is actually really good at reality. Tv You'll recall. Cheer you'll recall tied in with Marie Condo more queer eye or nailed it or next and fashion or the glass blow reality show followed by the circle and now this. They're making really good addictive reality. Tv and that's for several reasons. You know some of Stephen pointed out. They don't have to commercial breaks thing. Let these stories flow and organic and then in many ways they are not overproducing this stuff when I compare What's going on with. Love is blind to like the bachelor. There seems to be less direct manipulation by the producers. They'll be plotlines in the bachelor of where the had the couple go to a country music concert but wait turns out the country. Music singer is one of their excess craziness. Ensues you see the last of that with the blind makes it feel more earnest. Even though still fake I know I know right at the very least. They're better at hiding it. It doesn't feel conspicuous. Whatever manipulation there is and you know they're certainly is like we're all going to happen to meet up with my parents and I. It does become kind of something that you know is is staged in some of the same ways but I do agree that they're better at making it feel like something that could happen in a real person's life. Yeah so that's the first thing like this to me is evidence that whether they like it or not. Netflix is now better at reality. Tv then movies and with that the second thing it says to me is the things we do or do not talk about publicly when it comes to courtship. I think this show is really brave and having these people who are strangers very early on in their quote unquote relationships talk about race. Talk about physical appearance. Talk about money. One of the couples has to deal with the fact that one is black and one white. And they discuss it. The entire time very openly and candidly and responsibly. Another couple Barnett. And what's her name? Maria she's flat broke in one episode. She says to him my credits crap. I don't always have a job a few months ago. I was Outta my car. What you think about that. You would never see that on the bachelor you would. And most couples don't talk about that until it's too late so to see. That disgust candidly on this show. I find it kind of refreshing. Well it's one of those things where it's both early and too late because on the one hand only known each other for a couple of weeks but on the other hand there are already engaged so I agree that there's that funny. There's this funny conversation between a SAM mentioned Barnett. And amber where? It's not just that she's saying like I'm broke or whatever and he asks her. How many days a week she works and she says as many as I feel like she says I work to live. I don't live to work. Which is one of those things red flag that could be as you said. There's such a fine line between my queen and I know the same way about folks to say that as folks who say. I don't do drama. It's like Oh no. You don't drama. Well right actually do drama. You sort of have to theoretically talk about those things but you have none of the history that might make talking about those things in some ways both easier and harder. But you have to do it anyway. The part that I found most jarring to tell you the truth was like the very first time someone in this show says I love you. I almost crawled out of my skin of so weird so weird. The other thing I think is amazing about it is the people keep saying this is crazy and I keep wanting to say yes. It is run. Are we nuts? Yes in like that is what makes me. What's become the saddest story line in this show? And this is the story of Mark in Jessica. They have a great emotional connection. But Jessica doesn't think that mark is physically her type. He's not tall enough not Nordic enough not blonde enough not white enough and that becomes clear very early on and she never just says that he's also ten years younger than she is and exactly former relationship. Where if it were a family pet you would phen. Is it out of mercy? Twenty hours before this show.
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Ronan Farrow says 'close to 50' potential Weinstein jurors were sent home for reading his 'Catch and Kill'
"This week Jury selection started for the trial of Harvey Weinstein. He's as of course this formerly super successful Hollywood producer who was accused of decades of sexual abuse more than eighty women have come forward accusing him of things. The story broke as you remember. This is kind of the beginning of the METOO movement in October of two thousand seventeen in the New York Times and the New Yorker so harvey was finally finally charged with sex crimes in New York in May of twenty eighteen. So that in and of itself is about a year and a half ago I'm not going to get into the charges. But they're horrible So yeah jury. Selection started this week and the other thing that also happened. This week is that new charges were put against him in Los Angeles so now. He's facing the possibility of two criminal trials. Meanwhile he just settled a civil suit a couple of weeks ago. So it's just all all of this tumult around you know he's very horrible allegations and it's really one of the only you know men who is going through the criminal criminal justice process in terms of these accusations. Yeah and we should underline eighty women. You said Yeah Zero Eight zero and then we have these two. You know criminal trials now the one in New York they mentioned we have two women pressing charges one is an unidentified there and even in La both of the women are unidentified in those court documents. So it's also just a big story in terms of you know what it takes to come forward yet another interesting aspect during jury selection. Is You know the idea of trying to find an impartial jury. In these cases right I mean not only are they trying to find people who don't know a whole lot about the story which at this point is extremely difficult Mac that it's been to more than two years and the stories were huge but also you know attorneys are concerned about the possibility of having an impartial. Jury when you know one in and five women have been raped in her life rate and just the idea of even if she isn't super familiar with the Weinstein story just dealing with sexual assault in her life of either herself or someone she knows like could also create someone who is partial in one way or another Ronan Farrow tweeted on Thursday night that he is heard the fifty potential jurors fifty have been released so far we all read his book right and killed and so it's weird. The only thing I will add is that hearing the stories of these women. Yeah you're not only struck by their ultimate bravery in coming forward at great risk in themselves but just the endless amounts of people all right protected. Harvey Weinstein this. Systemic cover-ups over a decade can't get horrifying. It's yeah and it's extraordinary. How much much in how pervasive that was among everybody police and and colleague Turney everybody? Yeah Yeah I want to ask this question about impartial impartial jury and jury of our peers because when we talk when we are supposed to be having our be tried before a jury of our peers so many of our peers have have been victims of sexual harassment or sexual assault and so is it. What does impartiality really mean here? If you're throwing out all of the folks who might have been affected by crimes it's like this that gets even bigger question around. Just the idea of Lake is the crew. Does the criminal justice system work in these cases you know and you look at the fact act that this settlement came out earlier this month where women at least got some money out of it. I mean. Obviously that doesn't result in Weinstein actually going to jail which I would imagine. Imagine is extremely important to a lot of these victims but yeah I mean I don't know I don't know how you get an impartial