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Seven Psychopaths

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34:57 min | 1 year ago

Seven Psychopaths

"Well, that's just fucking great. Oh Great. No DOT is. Hello, everyone. Welcome to you. In this podcast, you feel that we feel are underrated underappreciated or had just slipped under the radar and passed by. I'm Derek and with me are Fred and Alan Torres. What's up as well as aerial Ortiz. Ella. Today, we're going to be talking about seven psychopaths, a twenty twelve film written and directed by Martin Macau the dark comedy Stars Calling Farrell Sam Rockwell, Christopher Walken and Woody Harrelson. Despite it being mostly well received by critics film largely flew under the radar at the time and did not have a strong box office and it never achieved cult status that mcdonagh's previous film in Ruse in Bruges received nor did he get the widespread critical acclaim that his follow up film? The most multiple Oscar, winning three billboards outside ebbing Missouri received So guys This was my suggestion This is I'm a really big fan of dark comedies What did you think of it? Will. Go I really sounds good. Man I saw it when it came out. I actually remember watching a couple of friends. Of Mine when I came out and I Despised it actually did not like it when it came out. I just. There's I. Don't know. I just listen a fan of it, but I watched it today. All right. I'll give it another chance. I'm still not a fan. I think getting a little older Kinda was like, okay. You know what? It's not as bad as I remember. but it's not horrible. Bank deigning immagination I likely in SAMBA CAST I mean all the actors are amazing for Walk and Sam Rockwell Colin Farrell late you just. Woody Harrelson just got all these. Great actors. Any. My initial thing was I just felt like. It was just kind of. Trying to be something like. I don't know what it is. I felt like it was trying to be like smoking Acer's. I felt like it was trying to Quentin. But not. Really. I'm the thing is I will kind of put a disclaimer I absolutely hate comedies. I'm very, very picky with comedies usually steer the fuck away from as much as I can just because I really don't like him. But. This one isn't as bad as a lot of obscene. But the story I feel like for me. Personally I feel it could have been a little bit more. I. Think there was a little bit more tweaking with the writing and the script. Wise. I think it could have for me anyways I feel like it could have been better. I'm actually surprised there's not that big a cult status because I know a lot of people that absolutely loved this movie like they. It's they always considered to be like on par with like smoking they're like Oh my God this is the diamond in the rough. It's so good has the same type of Samba cast. Or like just everyone's in their eight game. But I don't know for me personally I just thought it was after we watch the end kind of thinking about it was like, okay. But the dark humor is there. I'm not like didn't really crack me up. But I just mainly enjoyed like the main. For actors like they were just on top of their game so That was the the best part for me. Especially, Sam Rockwell assembled kills everything he's in like like it's just impossible not to look at him and watch him onscreen some like at Rocco automatic I can't I can't hate. But I don't know I mean again. Not Accommodate Guy I really don't like them. So I really want to hear what you guys think maybe can kinda. Make me change my opinion a little bit more. And give your two cents before I. Go I get mine. Yeah so I think originally saw this on when it first came out or when it first came out on on DVD I do like vague when when dared brought this up I did vaguely like, oh, remember it and just have how crazy it was I. Kinda like forgotton until I started watching it like the plot. The on this Rewatch, it's still it's still is very crazy This is where it Kinda like it, it's where Sam Rockwell kind of character. repertoire Kinda used to be in in movies of. Huge he any please while he is this kind of like just crazy. Crazy? Guy. can't remember what the movie was with with Anna Kendrick but he kinda please it kind of similarly to that The is like it's not dear John It's something John. was. Mrs Claus or something when no incentive clauses. Three. Versus Jack. Thighs I wanted to. With but basically, just this, like very like it he was a pretty. Convincing PSYCHOPATHIC. That's what psychopaths it definitely captured like display of like what's psychopathic? like, keeping book of trying to remember like Oh like to be nice to this person and don't be criticizing that because like. it's very, very muchly self-aware psychopaths and I really did enjoy and I felt like I kind of like wanted more an how it this movie plays on. It's kind of like an dodgy kind of movie about psychopaths are. That's what those the movie that Colin I is going to be writing in a kind of like wanted that movie now is the moments where it was. A bit more Like. Interesting because of all these different like psychopaths like you know what? The what the Vietnamese priest and and things like that. But there were definitely really good moments coming that came out of this film. Like. For example, like the whole. You could say like trail of of WHO Christopher Watkins character really was of the quaker. Story being told at the beginning and then Sam Rocco character saying like I told him that story and then you find out that that the quaker what is is Chris Rock in and it was pretty it was a pretty great reveal with him revealing in taking off his crevasse. And stuff like that. I don't think it's cross is scarf basically Our ASCOTT but. Yeah, it just could. There is. Good. Moments in this movie but I felt like it was disjointed a bit. I did. Enjoy enjoy it. But. But yeah. There was some disappointment and it was a it would. That was the only thing that like for me that kind of like Just, not really bothering me, but it was like it could have been better but like the characters and performances were definitely. Okay. It. Enjoyed the. Mostly comedy especially with with Dino Gracefully essentially the psycho passe calling out calling I character is being An alcoholic at every moment like when he's like drinking and stuff like you're now call you need. You have a problem. You would essentially the they killed people and. Things like that. But yeah, for me, I, do recommend it to give it a shot It's definitely something that you know you. You should probably give it a watch and see what you think You might not like it. You might like like it or you might love it but for me I I. Liked it. All right. Were you typically think I'm about to shed on a movie about the your minds This movie was actually. Very. Good. It was a very good movie in a sense of this. So it starts off really shady right I'm going to be real. So I. I. Originally when I started watching, it was kind like well, what the fuck like I get. It was supposed to be some kind of dark comedy I didn't watch that was going to watch the trailer just to get a gist of it but you know if I can. I'm just GONNA go on and dry see where we go So. When you look at it in one layer. It's a story of a friend helping a friend make a moving right you got. You got that one layer. On another layer it was really weird the way it goes but then when you start looking at it, once you get to the end and you realize it's because these people are psychopaths and they're crazy. That's why all this stuff is weird jointed sometimes, you feel like what the fuck is wrong with no, it's because they're doing their fucking job and making you feel that way as you keep going. And I was like. This is this is cool and like a France who friend they're always telling him hey, man you drink too much when in reality is like, would you guys are fucking psychopaths? Like yeah I'm the I'm the one who's fucked up your eyes but in my as you guys are the ones that are fucked up so I didn't really laugh in this movie like like. But like I it was it was light hearted enough that you could get all this stuff to the point where where. He's almost acting out this movie. For Colin Firth Right. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's what I heard. All right. Yeah. Okay. So Pretty much acting movie at the end. Of. Acting in a completely out to the point where it actually happens in real life and then I'm watching certain parts going like is this. Part of their little flashback story where he's telling the movie or is this part of the reality but I think that that's where it works because they're psychopaths. Now I will tell you this where I thought the best part of the fucking home movie. was when con Farrell picks up the. Recording that he had. Chris Wyoming gives him this amazing story. Amazing Amazing Story. For the Vietnamese Buddhist Monk Right. Wow Yeah and it's so amazing and then he has to go because. You know everybody's got a dream and all this stuff and then he goes into this this this little kind of like. Tangent on. How I don't want to use the word because obviously they're not an appropriate anymore but how? Homosexuals or the gay community doesn't like to be called a certain way, and so he completely takes you out of this beautiful moment like this guy was. Genius and the way he wrote the story to back to Oh. Yeah. This is this is what we're in like this is it, and so that's why I really enjoyed it until the point that even at the end of the movie, the credits roll and I was thinking about it because I go. Hey, what about the guy with the bunny? Whatever happened to that guy and to the point that as a critical role, he gets back in and he's like, Hey, man I'm GonNa kill you become feral went through all this crap that he's like, yeah, I'm here coming. And he's like. Sounds like you've been through some stuff. You know what? I'll call you back like he freaks out the the other psychopath. So. In a in a way like I'm going be honest I really liked it, but it's not mind blowing. Is Not some critically movie, but I think everybody do the job so well that it's a very enjoyable movie. At the end of it, if you if you see. Because he through all the layers because it's it's it's a very complex movie and it's simple premise. Every story is based on some reality except for maybe. The Asian Vietnamese Guy I think that's the only one made up. Yeah. Because everybody else was based is rooted in some reality and it's and it's great that. You go from. This story that he made up to finding out what was really happening. So I kind of enjoy that I kind of enjoyed it. It. Wasn't too much. It was just enough. It was a little weird some of this. That that like San Rocco. Doing all his words than this but I think that's that's what he's. That's the point. That's what he's supposed to do. Like you're not supposed to expect him being they I mean I. Did I thought it was hand but you know what I mean. It's supposed to keep you like, oh, he's just a weird dude and and then you realize, oh no wait he's also a psychopath but then he makes it sound like you see became a psychopath. For his friend to make this movie. Like he's like, that's why I went to go kill guys so. So I don't know if at this point, he's a really really good frame or just a path, the GEICO. Psychopaths Geico because he like, yeah. 'cause he he has told Journal and stuff. Clear sign of. True. We know but I'm just saying like like it. It gives you this feeling of like I mean Yeah Yeah we could. But I'm saying it gives you this kind of feeling a little bit going like did a psychopath come first or the best friend park and I like which one wins over the other one obviously he didn't kill him so I don't know how much of a psychopath years but then against psychopath it's it's it's a it's a good move like I said it's a good movie I'd enjoy it very many layers if you really want to really delve into it, it is somewhat it is a complex movie with a simple premise. And I think I liked that the most. That it's a movie for everybody depending on where your thought level is. You're going to read into it maybe a little more and if not. There's enough to read into it for for I guess the different levels of intellect. So it's It's Digestible? Derek I gotta say this. Hank you. I. Got I gotTa to say that I felt like I had understood it more on this second Watch watching a bit a kind of got like certain moments a lot more like a Colin just Chris her walk in league. Yeah. Like his character alone you kind of understand like. Yeah he's a psychopath but like where he's coming from the keys you was he's just been broken for since his. Daughters Yeah. Yeah. So his reaction to his wife basically getting murdered is kind of like what a person in that perspective could you know would be of like you know she Would it I don't know if the what he told. You Know Colin Farrell or Sam Rock was character like Oh. Yes. She got the all clear but kind of like puts in your mind like maybe she did get the all clear and and. Then yeah yeah yeah it's just it. Definitely it definitely does a really great way of like making you emotionally connect to these characters maybe not so much as Colin Farrell's character maybe because he's a writer and stuff but like kind of you maybe when he kinda like essentially, you don't know yet but he might have because of all all this become a psychopath himself in a way but like that's when you start. Feeling like a emotional connection to him a bit more like we'll be especially like when he's like leaving Sam Rockwell, you know his friend. Behind to basically he knows he knows he's GonNa die. But but yeah, it's just it's an insane way to she basically make us thighs with with these. You know essentially psychopaths. One thing row quick to say I don't for me like I. Agree that it was layered I agree that there was all these cool story lines and I I really did enjoy the Christopher walken tape recorder scene but I kinda don't think anybody was truly a psychopath other than Sam Rockwell 'cause like you did really give off a lot of those tendencies like somebody who? has like The money I. Wife was I feel like his wife was like but even then it was I I see where you're coming from? Allen. Where like it's they were Kinda like site had their psychopathic tendencies were out of Necessity in a way or or like a justice I don't think they're literally cycle fads necessarily like fucked up people you know. More more or less they're the people. But like I, feel like they have this kind of like they're grounded compared to Sam Rockwell where. He has the Journal. He's like don't burn my neighbors flag kind of thing like that right there, and then also going as far as like saying all I needed to all these things for my friend to write his movie round like, yes, that is something psychopath do because in their mind they think that's normal and there's a whole obsessive compulsive. Probably obsessed with this friend with Colin Farrell's character where he's like I want to do the best for him. And I want to. One to inspire him and that's something a psychopath would do is like in their own mind think this is normal. This is what I should do can thing but I feel like everybody else had. More like they had their past. And then just kind of living to me kind of thing. I think I think that's what they were trying to get like Christopher Walken. was. Quote Unquote, the psychopath win he was following this guy around all the time just constantly obsessing over him and just just watching him just watching him and then at the House and then when he says his throat, I feel like the moment he says throw and so supposedly maybe is right and he comes back. He's he they're the two ends of the story where. Colin Farrell was like I don't want my story to just be about murder death and killing and stuff. I wanted to have a different ending and that's the whole I for an eye thing when they're having to talk in the car where Christopher can kinda goes you know if if it's an eye for an eye in the world goes blind and then you have some no, that's fucking stupid. You still got when I won one guy's GonNa have one I. Therefore, he's not buying what is going to do shoot us on I. I had a feeling like. where? Christopher Walken was. Maybe one path that you can take. If you. Were to come out of it while I'm rick wells is the different path. It's it's a full psychopath completely like you know no restraints and all those bar completely going down that path, but they're the to do to diverge where he that's why in the beginning you see him Kinda Calling for working on Rockwell, but then it seems like at near the end of it he's like, Oh, no, I kinda WanNa do this with Christopher Walken, the kind of story where at the end you'll have hope when you come out of it. Yeah I think. It is. That kind of like anti nihilistic. Were it is like these horrible things have happened to these people and have broken. You know made them. You know quote unquote psychopaths in different ways and it's just kind of about them kind of like. Having. A second life in a lot of these respects and and even even Colin Farrell I think. To a degree is kind of like a psychopath like he doesn't on the surface like. A crazy. Like crazy broken person like the rest of these guys are like Tom Waits with his bunny or like Sam. Actually little psychopath, but he's like he's like fucked up. He's an alcoholic like he doesn't remember like just like you know like. Your girlfriend that she's a bitch and bring. Raising like he's like, he's pretty bad too and you know like he's kind of like. An avatar for you know the the writer director movie 'cause you know he's he's like an Irish writer who's working on the screenplay in L. A. and Writing a movie called sudden psychopaths and. It's very Meta of the aspect I do really like Meta stuff and I like you know how low be talking about the movie seven psychopaths the writing in the movie but their Own like you know another layer talking about movies like they keep saying this is how the films like this is how the movie's GonNa End. This is going in and it's like when the movies about the Andrew, what's up at the halfway point when the drive into the desert and he's just like what if like halfway through the movie, there's all the setup on everything driving the desert and that's how the second half goes. Just three guys talking you're like Oh is that was going to. Exactly and they like when he goes Oh that cross up there perfect place to have a a shootout. Exactly you're right. That's I really did enjoy that part of it. Yeah and I just I really like how just like kind of absurd dark comedy like that's just kind of like personally just like my jam and I love how it just like it all starts because of just like a dog napping and then becomes crazy thing where woody Harrelson insane gangster but he's crying over his dog he's ready to murder people stuff over it and he's obviously a site crazy person to okay I gotta say I didn't expect that twist though were was sleeping with the girl. Threw me off. I didn't expect that. Now, that was that was good but honestly, yeah like. I wanted to watch this movie when it first came out because I was a really big fan of in bruise actually like this a little better than in brews because I feel like it has it's Im- bruised like Lou towards the final part of the movie kind of loses a little bit of the humor and just becomes just really just more of like to a little too serious whereas this one even when it is serious, it's like a perfect mix of like, oh, something like you said Fred like have that he has that whole like really great The tape recorder scene where whereas talking about know the great any movie that he just Kinda hits you with kind of a joke just like, yeah they're all. It's kind of like life word comedy and drama are just Kinda clashing and mixing at the same time. I. Feel like this does a good job of just kind of like playing on all that absurdity and just you know you're just. Like what's going to happen with these? These people are going to the desert they keep throwing out these references. One person says it's just going to be peaceful. There's up this other person, Dyke's big shootout and it's kind like halfway through. It's not like a kind of crazy movie ending like he describes when the church where everybody comes out, but it's also there is still shoot at the end. The I think I think that this is I haven't watched it in years and just kind of like it's been a movie that I've whenever I've talked about like my podcast always like, oh, one day I really WanNa talk about seven psychopaths and finally. Glad. I'm glad we finally got around to talking about it and you know. I'm really I'm really was interesting to hear what you guys had to say because I. Don't think we ever really talked about it before. Because I know. Yeah I was. GonNa. Say this is the first time. I've seen this movie so I didn't know about it. I haven't heard about it. I don't know when like when came out I'm I don't know what I was doing around twenty twelve on be honest because I remember the movie. So they didn't my first time seeing and. I mean I saw the actors and I was like, all right. Let's see what I'm about to get myself into. But I mean, for the first time I thought it was really good. Yeah. Also I just want to say this isn't related related anything, but it's all always great lines from movie in one of them that I loved in. Maybe hit me a little personally was when he's just like. You're a writer and you're Irish you're predisposed to drink. It's in your senior blood or whatever, and I was just like fucked. That's they're. Asked. A daily, your cutting like Missing one of the performances in in our discussion so far we've gotten the good guys but maybe we should talk about the bad guy specifically Woody Harrelson character I felt like it was definitely lake in inspired by in his his character in natural born killers in the way of just that craziness. But for no, like you know he just about his dog and you kind of relate to him in the at least I kinda like but it to an extreme of like, yeah I would you know I care for my dog is in stuff like that like that but Just, the insanity of of his involvement in a in a in this whole story in just. ebay enact to like in the movie of of it seeming like wrong place wrong time kind of situation at first of of they took they just took the wrong dog and that's why all this craziness is happening but then yeah the. The craziness that Sam Walker's character is. Is No I did it I did it for a reason I 'cause you know trying to get a girlfriend away from her evil boyfriend and so I took his dog because like I'm better than him basically. Sarah What Helsinki? So because he manages to both be menacing and really fucking funny at the same time, which is kind of incredible like he he is. You're like, wow, this guy is terrifying but I'm also laughing at what he's saying and it's not making it any less terrifying. and. What's really amazing is he was brought it into the last minute was supposed to be Mickey Rourke who dropped out and I think that the film. Yeah no one was much better for it because I don't think Mickey Rourke has that the comedic chops to do it like he could maybe be intimidating, but he would not have that kind of like same humor that Woody Harrelson brings to the role because what he is such both good dramatic and comedic actor that he's able to fuse them in this movie like the movie itself is really fusion of drama and comedy. Running Gags Mickey work was pretty hilarious are to. Burn off. Maybe. They wouldn't be chasing chasing a bird I was just. The running gag gun getting stuck like like the being able to shoot because it gets. Like. I. Don't know if it's a bullet in the Chamber of how I get stuck but. Has. Made me laugh. Laugh laugh but it just made me like at the moment when you think he's going to shoot him and fuck count back to five. I was like, God. Damn. You guys like fuck really like on a pivotal moment you're GonNa this is where we're going to be at like fuck man that's what it made. Me Feel like a lot of time but I knew it's because that's like humor. That's why you'd be like God getting excited and all of a sudden. He's shoots and then nothing happens fuck stuck and you're like really the fucking gun game. CHEKHOV's jammed gun. You piece of Shit I'm like. All right but yeah, it's a way get shy. He's like, let me put my come on man my dog. Like flock you guys and it's it's very yeah. It's like it's not like out loud constantly humor but it's also it's always bothered. That's really funny ladies kind of just like. Yeah you like. You're like, fuck? Yeah like the get you with a yeah. Like you said, it's not funny but the jokes coming you're like, fuck fucker. shed. All right. But I think it's A. Blow out of your humor. Yeah, and that's the thing I. think that's how the movie is supposed to be because. If it was too funny. It would take away from the maybe the seriousness of of the killings and the stuff like way wants to be somewhat serious about that. Like make you feel like oh? Yeah. These guys are psychopaths. These guys are killers. If the humor was too funny. And you know I it just it wouldn't work like this works because you get that humor and a ten spot and you're like, fuck. Like all right and then but it's a good one. It's a it's a good being like that. Yeah. Yeah I think another moment is Christopher walk in. Interaction with with Woody Harrelson like you know latkes basically like you know. But your hands up. No. And then he's like why not I don't what to is that these but why not? Like but I have a gun, he's like. I don't care. and. Yeah. Just that. Know, on the same note when he has that interaction with and where he he got right after because his wife they're sitting. Yes. and. You feel like super super tents and to the point where he pulls off his. His ascott or something and he's like we're take it just to show them that bagels scar and then it kind of like freaks them out. I. Actually thought he was going to try to choke him out with ask all right there. I thought he was going to be let me put it off for you and then just strangled them. I thought that's what I was about to see but I didn't but it's super but that Feeling that you get because it's super super tents. All someone's going to do something new, and then they don't they just kind of walk away from each other. Yeah. Yeah. Does it mood as a really good job of building tension throughout. So yeah, I definitely, I would definitely recommend it. On about you guys. It's a big recommendation for me. I mean. Yeah I think. So yeah I mean I don't know if you're GONNA if it's one of those run out and watch it but I think it should be a movie on your list you should want. Anybody if you got Amazon a good one watch a FR-. Especially right now that we're all at home so Definitely new. I would. I would definitely recommended just as something to watch into make of course, make your own. Determinations on but. If you're looking for something that is multi-layer that probably to fully understand it might need like maybe one or two or more rewatch is just like like like Fred was saying you know the multilayer and things like that. I do recommend it it it. It does put a lot of thought in different things and character development specifically and Yeah, so give it a watch. If you still don't understand, it may be re listen to this an rewatch again. Do. You have. What were you gonNA. Say Some Allen. Olien I'll just GONNA say For me like I said I thought it was just okay. after giving second is the first time I. Really hated it. Second Time I was like you know what sounds bad as I remember. But tonight was on give it a try. Again, I'm to prepare with comedy. So I I think I think the layers acting at least pull you in at least that will definitely get get you one. Yeah if you're if you're Phantom Lake Sam Rockwell's like movies like Chou or or is it moon moon is fucking Yet of that kind of link he tends to make some pretty like. Interesting movies in in. Very great choices in his acting just talking about Sam now but But yeah, if you're if you're definitely Morocco's work and of course, Christopher Walken but Chris Rock in more of a Subtle. Crystal Classic, Crystal Walking kind of character Then definitely check out this movie. Yeah, and then calling Farrell to like. He's very understated in this movie, but he's fucking great. He's kind of like you know. The kind of serious man around all these people who are GonNa like. More over the top people, he's much more like a subdued performance, but he's is fucking he'll like flap the handle or. People are crazy but he's crazy to. Yet everybody in this. Incredible. You guys got anything else to take us all wrap that up. I think I'm on this woman. I didn't dance in this. That's true. Shit Yeah Note Sam Rockwell Dance Damn well. Well, everybody thanks for listening Few like this go ahead and hit subscribe in. We've got new episodes every two weeks into listening on. I tunes just give us a rating. US Review. Goes Five stars it really helps us get notice them. We also have a couple more podcasts. By the time this one airs, we will have just released. Our area will have just released her podcast. You've never seen if you wanted to mention that at all. It's going to be releasing or has released on August first So it puts a final in pieces on it, but it's basically Taking US and Essentially. 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Thursday Afternoon Monday Morning Podcast 12-6-19

Monday Morning Podcast

1:12:54 hr | 1 year ago

Thursday Afternoon Monday Morning Podcast 12-6-19

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Did we lived in the same name we live with it was it was a Lanford. Wilson play called the hot. Oh Baltimore you know who am I. It's it was about a a decrepit old hotel in San played the the manager of the hotel and they're all these Brusson different color part. Her should hirsch from taxi. Aw because everybody wants to know when you do your very good when you do a play you gotta do the same thing every single you get boards. Yeah how do you do that in Santa. You gotta like yeah no I get sick of my act. Yeah I messed up. The thing is every night I don't have to do the same jokes could be like. I don't want to do that joke like you. When I saw that play? We had little roped in the last cowboy outfit with the girl. The girl with the kid with the rope a little cowboy hat off Broadway shows out there. I'm curious non for profit. You went by the name Buck Wild. It was like you have to do that. Every walk and you were telling me that if you missed when you throw it on on the bedpost post right. was that used to Lasso Nina to and then she got sick of that. I think she was very patient. And then you worked on that. I remember a long time. I remember yeah. Yeah about a year a few wrangler the guy. Because I'd done a couple of Westerns. And they this guy cliff mcglaughlin taught me. He really got me into it yeah. I've never known anyone that knows how to Lasso. Anything like do you know. Yeah I do now the other than I like can add that to your special skills sales on your resume. It's all one rope. It says all it is not something you pull it tight just like shoelaces basically. Yeah it's tight. It's it's it's a much firmer rope than the Roy Rogers thing. That's a different kind of thing. What was that? It's a loser rope like you saw that the movie that Coen brothers movie. That's like a risk thing. This is like this is a this is a man. Rope also wasn't roping but Ed Harris did it originally that silly. He's really that Roy. Rogers in and out Burger Roy Rogers restaurant bullshit. Yeah but the first time we play Sam Sheppard set. I was terrible and he said I did it for him and he said maybe you're a bull rider. Oh okay so it's not going well. The Ed Harris was really good at it and he did the original play the original and so I had nightmares about Harris coming to see the show and finally did come. We thank God I you know. I got caught everything because the last sewing and Harrison State of grace is amazing. Good Yeah Yeah grading. Everybody's Oh my God. When I wreck the movie for people spoiler but what happens to his character? Yeah Yeah it's yeah. Yeah I mean that's like I'm sure bill and I had finished about playing West these you know that's one of the few books I read more than once other than kid books to my daughter. Yeah I I read the Westies. I still have that book you could be a West. You could play a Westie for and I took play one. I could never be one of those guys were fucking lunatics. Is there a party. Let's clarify could be a Westie. I just love in in Hell's kitchen now. We're all of them. Grew up is they have There's a bar there. Called Mickey Bylanes and Mickey Spelane was I believe the gangster that ran hell's kitchen before the West came along they rub him out or somebody hit him and then they took over. So Mickey spill lanes is now a bar there. And what's happened is as that neighborhood changed over is Gave people move up. It's now become a gay bar hilarious. We go to ask God. He would love that. I'm sure he would have loved those. The EH forty four th street or summer thirty Fourth Street around there It's in the forties. Something like I was I was a body of mine. Lived over there so I was going down the the street and I read the book a Zillion Times. Mickey SPLAINE's I know what that is. I've been to house gushing. I've read all this stuff above. And then they see the big the big multicolored flag down. That's fucking awesome. The gangster come down on ways to get your chap's dillinger's yeah I like some Manley Right. Now it's just it's payback for them. It is on yeah testosterone overlooked. That movie was incredible. I remember Gary Oldman way but it got very because I think he came out like the weekend. You're right or the weekend and before after there were a couple of those like Miller's cross nineteen goodfellas degrees looking. Hot Is that Miller's crossing I don't know which is the one in with John Turturro. That's Miller's crossing takes. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah that was like a big like acting thing was like one of those like there was a couple of scenes like like everyone doing them in classes and that sort of thing well it was just one of those things you remember like one of those scenes. I remember that everybody was talking. What about have you were begging for his life? I should know this you've worked with have you've not worked with the COEN brothers. How's that no no never Cowan's if you're listening right Joel? You studied acting right. Dan Did I say actor. Yeah I'm trying to remember. It was so long ago. Oh my God. Why can't I think of think of in a second but her name was Deborah and she did a BRA would no? I can't remember Knbr after this but was it a specific it was it was I think Meisner it was at a like a theater in Manhattan and she had a a big artists. RETREAT UPSTATE NEW YORK. We went to to these sort of like farm cabins and didn't have our phones off in the work and it was amazing as yeah. She's actually a really good actor. It was it was telling me that. Yeah you were saying about the podcast. Thank you that's various checks. You guys have done you gotTa Say F. Family. It's really if we're all together all the all the filthy animation summation that you guys have ever done you got to. You have to have a special place in my heart. I just don't like mother thing with Sam Bills podcast and she said for family clean. She said Sam's on that and she all of a sudden got really excited. Really interested in FSR. Thanks Oh it's legitimate SAM rockwell. House again you gotTa start watching this one have more see I had A. I pitched the thing for Mike. I told him I said what what if what if he gets taking scientology kind of place and then I love that already. Some reason you get kidnapped. There's something happens in Laura and I have to go in and because I wanted to work with Laura and then we have to save you. You guys both get captured. I don't know I mean. Obviously we get round off some of those edges but I got a little sci fi there there. There was a housing there. I forgot it was it was. We developed a technique to board of the center of the Earth. It was more better. Would you guys doing right now. It looks like half of my pitch meetings. elrod starts off exciting and then just kind of beers isn't a greater register the when when they check out when the executive when you're pitching and and the smile becomes like all the authenticity fades away. It's hard man that's hard you can see them. I'm kind of drifting off. Yeah I loved him I loved. There's a great scene in Annie Hall where this guy is. The host of the show is pitching shing ideas to Woody Allen to right he said I want to come out into this. Little number and woody Allen's just staring at him with a smile with his frozen smile and how much longer I can smile plastered on my face. So yes we watched a butcher woody Allen movies when Louis meant that door remember we watched like Zell Egg all. Oh yeah at Williamstown. So we'll do what you were talking about kind of sounds a little bit like theater play that we did And we we were looking for. It was right next to a town called North Adams which come to find out it used to be. I don't know if it's still is probably cut this either way. If it was at one point the incest capital world of the country. You know that who was in charge. Every town means an attraction to get clock. Remember when you gotTa be number one we went to a video store there to look the Ellen and your brother. It's fine and the Woody Allen and they said well we got. This is the comedy section. We went for compensation remember that there is a huge section of Deuce bigalow male Gigolo and they were all taken out they were like okay. We can find finally woody Allen Movies there. That's one of my one of my favorite things is when when deuces induces upside down and he can't get out of that thing so he swings and he reaches and he grabs the fish tank. Oh yeah the whole thing down I gotta kill the second one. Uh I used to male a male how those wait a minute I seen. It was a great great. I like Rob Rob. Schneider gets a bad rep but I think he's always admitted. Yeah he's fucking hilarious. Shit it better. We would be fun to actually recorded with you. Were together and that would be. What are you guys going to movie again or something people want to see you guys? You're both fun guys. You look. I mean I'm seeing a buddy movie right here in the area it looks. Let's pitch silom. We're doing it that's come up. You are sort of watching the civil wars thing Laurie to zoning baiter shows his second episode the baby. Yoda no is it as flesh. Is it a CYBORG battle. You'll have to check out and say hey I got a question about your stand up. How do you to protect your voice? Throw Cope So he tried to yell down here. Well that's smart. Blow a couple of guys get that protein down that always helps shot at Mickey SPLAINE'S DIAPHRAGM AF DOT com. I've definitely done. Damage Imitate how my dad coughs. I can't even do it anymore because my dad would do this cough off and then you know that noise when you're drawing Aaron sort of Frye. Yes he goes car. Start up and then he'd do the last Ashland and bit used to crush and after I did it. And there's also this is back when people smoked in clubs and stuff. Oh Yeah I. I don't know what happened. It was not good for the voice and I was doing a bunch of shows and I did that for like six months and I can't do it anymore so you really you really breathe into the the die from because you were really out there. Well I went and I actually believe it or not. I went to learn how to do it because I used to be all up in my throat and my throat was killing me so I actually actually went to guy's house in Boston. Sounds like it's going bad news Like I don't know like eight thousand years old and just one of those places is like you walk in and you smell like this guy's GonNa die soon there's a fucking grandfather clock and shit and he. He just gave me singing license. It's like I can't sing. He goes it doesn't doesn't matter it doesn't matter needed. I was embarrassed to shit and I just kind of push through it and then like this is a weird thing though if I am up here in the my throat the the only way I can go back down. I can't do it mid sentence I just have to plow through that whatever I'm saying up here and then kind of like I really WanNa do. It depends on what time of day do you. You know if you're dehydrated in the morning. Yeah that's another thing too so cigar things if I you know I try to limit although I had this past month I try to limit my cigar smoking. And if I'm GonNa do it I never do it before a show. Yeah that's not true. I did it last month but I try not to smoke like enough. Oh Sammy you didn't you. It didn't Toronto baby contraband. Oh Wow what did you go rhino Nicaraguans. I'm GonNa fucking throw at you. Yeah no they're delicious but if you can actually get These are these are just tried these different I. I haven't. I just just tried those. I'm a dilettante smoked. Obviously you know what does that mean you know like a bullshit not really fully committed to he it. Does he inhale now. That's you're not supposed to. I got shorty Kinda sad way. Wait do you smoke cigars and I love the smell of it. Surely Fatty Fatty Chris. Chris Walking give him. I got some cigars you like them like to smoke. Don't in don't inhale these. Are these for me fucking got one from. I got these right up the street and why don't we have unlikely to leave with me and I'll stick him in my humid keeping Nice deserves to you. Good bill impression. I can't do it on the SPA Day. I'll take one. I'll take a feel comfortable doing some questions but others. I WanNa tell you something. Yeah sorry about that now. This guy told me this whole fucking story about Fidel Castro with this one. I don't know there's a story behind this. This is he. He had a long skinny Dick. And that's what drove into A. It was like that's exactly right and there's some story about this particular size Cohiba Fidel that. I should ask you. Will you will. Yeah no all right there you go all right so that we we did that. Portion of the podcast is do you. You were talking about a bill. And his protecting his voice. Yes do vocal exercises warm ups anymore. We have we have more right. You've done vocal for plays before movies. TV's you know it's funny. You should say that might in a movie. You underestimate how much screaming you might do you kind of take it for granted you can sometimes. Yeah I have lost my voice. I had movie voice coach to do those with on this is gonNA sound ridiculous on Alvin and the chipmunks and because I did so much I pitched my voice up a little bit and and it was just a lot on so he. Don't they do that technically they. Can they do that for sure. But what I everything had to beat their dips and dives that had to be really modulated. And so we did all these real embarrassing exercise Hispanic the Dave Chappelle when he used to do the Clinton speed up the crackhead big. Yeah He. He heard his voice doing that. Oh no kidding jennings. Because he wasn't such a High Register. y'All got Jan does make sense. I'm just picturing all. Construction workers is listening to this. Who just shot a fucking nail timberland? This is the really difficult to do. False we'll say challenging challenging really getting a masterclass if they're listening not by me. I'm just having shipments Alvin and chipmunks talks Christopher walken impressions. I mean for your audience might be might be tuning out at this point. They wouldn't dare. Don't you dare turn off this fucking podcast ask you kidding me. You're sitting here with Justin Long Sam Rockwell like get it together. I heard all right. Respond is looking at me and made me really nervous. Did you hear their podcasts. Time Square as yes. That's what you guys got in a fight about the we fight all to know I know I know but that night we were watching and wheel of fortune which is something. We do vitamin wheel of Fortune when they all my fortune gives out these fucking awful gifts. Yeah back in the day when when you had like the whole thing it'd be like all right. You got this Litany Shit you can bid on. It was the worst shit ever is like I for seventy dollars. I'll take the brass bed frame. Always respite for him. I thought it was like take an exotic thing. Eighty dollars a coup clock. And then I'll put the rest on like a gift certificate so they always had bad fucking gifts so the other night somebody solves some like fucking impossible puzzle and a possible to me anyways right and then the the gift shopping. Spur shopping on the wheel. When you pick it up and they he likes shopping sprees? You like they're getting a shopping spree. Dick Sporting goods. I'm like what the Fuck Dick's sporting goods and she's knee is like what the if I was on the show. I just give that to you just like fuck you on my own the free most addicts shopping hence in fucking bass boats in weaponry. I'm not using any you that this is not the Dixon Hell's kitchen post of Vicks and then all the Nike Shit is the shit that they're not going to have it their flagship stores. The Dad fucking Nike shirts the ones I like a deep moisture wyking over so they keep you cool during the workout than he loves them. Long sleep moisture working fashion and so I was like oh well if I won that shopping spree I give it all to bill because he can get his t shirts and he was so offended. Where's it going to be over it? How fucking cheesy awfully was as you go? I just give it to you. It's actually a true. She's for her and then I said up but if I gotta give it to you so I can see where would look bad like I'm giving you the bad if a gift serve to filings basement. Just give it to. You doesn't exist anymore. Where's your old from Boston? Certificate to Leach I would be like all right given basis woolworth wars but wouldn't you. Would you be offended by that. Uh if I got a shopping spree Dick's find something. Sure exactly. I'd be positive. They have a real neil well. Any apologies person. No that's not what this is not within your realm of things that you would be familiar with Sam. I just don't feel yeah I've been there. Yeah sure sure like biased on this why would you. I've got some weights for my dad. I got something like five ways for my dad. Okay okay. That's probably a Dixie is gonNA love this. What can't you think I came home from a game show and I told my wife Got Her something and it was a shopping spree at Dick's sporting goods or something that she vaguely appreciated. Wouldn't you vaguely the appreciate addicts lead. There's something addiction you fuck about. It's such she she's shit all over with me and and then he just goes I just give it to you. Well let me ask you when you're if you're eating something and you don't really like it. Do you offer it to her. You say this is. This is not a biology. But maybe you'll like I'm offended fended. You'd be a friend of mine it when people do that. Eat Food and they're like I don't know if I like it try you know. He's just sounds on everything that I'm eating any prevent then before I'm big into she. She looks for the most tastiest part of a Yard fight out of the fucking sandwich tries tries to cutaway I title just by looking for you studied the middle of the sandwich. Were all the good things are lined up perfectly. You're looking for every element element not like. The pickles slid out so you missed by gotta be in there with the cheese. She does the fucking I get it back to Sandwich rum temperature case gone. Did you say you met at a bar. No would you hit me. We went on a date. Ah Yes are for the deal. Yeah how does your at the Apollo theater or you did the Apollo theater he was performing. My Dad was booking the comics for the show it was the San man he was removed and yes I was. It was the summer up. Two thousand. It was after I graduated August. Oh members and He was like Oh wait. I looked really funny white boy from Boston and I was like okay cool and so we met backstage and he was very much you know in his space where he's has someone's getting food. I remember when you hear somebody getting really WANNA know why you're we're getting booed you remember. He was on survivor. Somebody else's getting mood. I don't know who it was but so we did a quick little high and I remember. We're thinking it's not a bad looking guy and then I just kind of moved on with my lab and the we didn't move. We didn't meet again until years later. Oh no kidding yeah and then I was like I remember you remember this story. Yeah on tough crowd with Colin Quinn on that show. How'd you meet up again? Then at at tough crowd guest crowd with and you remember from just that at one and you know. I didn't think so. Jog Your memory or in Union. Remember me either. I did remember you. I was like I know him. Oh isn't it's been a long time. I don't know I just never i. I went down. I started hitting on her. She was a complete. You know just working. It was a hit on for audit work you know. Kill two birds with one stone. It's still catch the game now. I worked I worked with. I feel so bad for guys. I can't hit on chicks where they work. I mean what the fuck a week where anybody at work that works. I guess you don't like Paul Newman. And Joanne Woodward leapt leapt across the team. No we landed in that. What cement outside the fucking Chinese restaurant up there the fans? What her okay so? This is a fun fact about bill. I think we've talked about this on the podcast. It has a very hard time like he knows what he's trying to. He doesn't know the names of things. So if you hear like content you will give all these sort of like. We're your context clues about what ends up to you to figure out. What are you talking about? We've talked about this on the Pike and figure it out so right so you guys are durable. I just just want to say that right. Oh come on I could say it's okay take it take it in. I usually get what's anyway anyway so you'll say something like what did you say you were trying to say interview with the Vampire you said. The last days of drags figure it out. Ah Truculent what about in the blood sucking. Yeah it's just too good looking guys. They fucking vampire empire and there's a little girl girl I know it's not I know that's not the name but I guess but you usually in the area you read read. I mean you speak bills language. Yeah Yeah I'm the Best Guy Damn thing that ever happened her fucking job job to act like it isn't it's my honor and privilege where you're very good at it thank you. We've been together like sixteen years. Yeah Yeah along. Time out saying sunny days but clouds rule in every once in a while. We really aren't old married couple. We get along great right we do get along but the thing is is when we when we do just like US vacation and Kinda leave immediately start laughing again. It's weird. Yeah that's right. We're really good head on trips. The two of us because we're like oh we're actually friends actually like that's it is so my brother and I listen and that's the what you want. Yeah you guys just went on the trip to you just went to Europe Ireland. No we were in. Where did we go Iceland Iceland Iceland that Oh my God it was amazing? It was amazing. It was different than what I expected it to be. It was a lot more quaint. Yeah I thought I was going to go the Tundra. What did you do there? What do we went shopping and went sightseeing interbrew racing? I went shopping. We went to Dick's sporting goods. They have a great Dick's there. We went and we went whale-watching also many wells in the first time I ever fished in my life and I caught. Toothfish was so excited and I was so. That's not really my thing. I know. That's not my thing you get on a kayaker some now. Did you bring your dog try. It's not our daughter. Came with us and it was so cute and we have so many pictures of course. Yeah waterfall over over a volcano over an active volcano. It was crazy that's needed. Fight was really cool. It was definitely one of those life once in a lifetime. I don't know that I need needs to go again on ticket sales. We'd love you know I do talk and loved it there and I actually did. There was a local comedy club there and I met you know a bunch of the local comics where they were all cool and there was this one kid in particular. Who's just like like? He was just silly thrilled tall kid. He was trying all these crazy jokes. That will like edgy. But really silly any throw them out there and he would just wait and see if people would laugh. They wouldn't start laughing. Things like really really likable. So it must be frustrating than when you go to these exotic places and you can't really explore you can't really see much because it's you have to do a show the next night I want that was. It's different because I went there for like a week Usually when I do a run through Europe I just pick a place we haven't gone to and then we just get used to the time change and then Yeah we could leave and then he works and then we go home and then he does. You'll tell the story about like inviting fighting you out for new years. He was doing a GIG in new years. He was the first time you've just been dating this I can kick club Array Club. Yeah Yeah you WANNA come out and be with me. New Year's Grogan wears Lavonia Michigan Kicker. She goes no uh-huh goes. I mean fucking New York City. Why the fuck would I go to Livonia? Because I'm there like not I don't know I like you. I need a New Year's I can't afford to fuck this up as I mean like. If I heard that it'd be I'd fall more in love. That's until you the Lavonia misery countdown. I haven't something something look back on this. I'm like now I feel bad. No but I got you back for that. What do you mean that time when and I was doing a Gig and the promoter got me a first class ticket? Oh my God i WanNa meet a split the rush your buddy would you do know Frisco I got no yes yes and I me. Where was I levine and coach so he ah thanks for your audience over again? I still can't believe I did that less and I was like I'm the last. How long were you guys in the dating process far? Yes I I'm GonNa tell you what it was. I my whole career. I was in the back of the plane. I just. I was at the point where I couldn't I couldn't see the forest through the trees. I couldn't see what a wonderful woman I had. I was just so psyched. Liked to finally be there and I knew that I was going to go over to Europe. It was going to be a language barrier is GonNa be all of this fucking Shit. I was already stressing I needed to. I needed a chair. That fitted human being. Get over there. What I should have done I know I know I know? And since then I've flown your fucking first class every fucking. I don't think yeah I've ever witnessed bill ashamed. I am legit ashamed. That was a bad judgment call. I did come back and visit a couple of times that long cloth off Napkin tucked you to the front of my shirt visit. Shanghai Sunday own own coach show support thing was bad. And then also you know with the interracial thing I kind of made a figure to sit in back of the bus was a whole row. Also so those objects throws the Air Rosa Parks in the air fucking. Ironically though the seat next to meet worth a whole row in the middle was empty so I actually got some pillows and I got to spread out. What's the spots? But he didn't know like in the last row or second to latches people go in the bathroom like the odor is just the worst is being like wheel of fortune seat. I got to get on court club a seat that you still want to swim for free and it was Super Fun. I hate that I did that. I'll never live. There's a Lotta. I'll this shit that I can forgive a lot more years left in me. We'll work it out. I'm sure you you liked to ride coach. I do. I like to go in the specifically in the back because I heard most accidents. Most of the fatalities happen toward the front. Also you're doing this based on. Just some dummy irrational. You like to ride coach about wrestling spending to write code. You don't like to spend money. Let's keep going to spend money on cheap. I don't mind it. I prefer not to spend the money on like a fancy first-class really as much unless it's really gotten spoiled. I wonder if I know you got spoiled to I. If they flying me I'll I'll take you know I can't even when I think back. When I was twenty years sold I took the greyhound across the country? When you can still smoke in the buses and I can kill myself? Yeah that was the whole motivation. When you sat in the back was working your way up front I gotTa fucking I have to get out of here for my thing now is i? I also like smaller airports. I'll I'll fly. I love love. Ovarian Love Field Dallas. I haven't done that one yet. That's the Oakland's really good young Burbank. Great one he had long beach. Oh yeah just it's funny. Antero does not bad that just far away but like anything to avoid that horseshoe of death. Lax going. Yeah I like fucking you know every airline. They're all down by the bottom. I was just looking at. I was just looking at the website site of this thing called the private suite at LAX. And it's like a membership based thing and I think for forty five hundred dollars a year you can go like the pre. It's crazy you go the private way and like you're in your own little special area with snacks and refreshments and realize that Genius Sedan. It's meant for you. Just avoid like anyone can do it. But it's forty thirty five hundred whether they like us to your gates anyway. Walk the plane. Somehow it's the wherever you can just walk. Everybody it's just because when you were a kid. It was so much more glamorous when I was a little kid I remember you know people were ties and stuff. They get dressed dressed up in. That's right yeah and then also you see just kind of walked to the gate. If I remember correctly I I'm so old. I the first time I went. They just started having metal detectors because the early seventies they started having all those hijacked clearly have a gun and you can just walk. They said they said on this website. They're like it's twenty two thousand steps or something bad. It's probably not that many steps to get from point A. to Point B. Typically in an the airport. But if you do this thing you can avoid all of that and literally. Your car goes a special way. That's away from all like or the the few times I've had to write on one of those little bb get out of our way drive like maniacs those carts where they drive around Dan. You can't trust that. Yeah certain lines. You can't create gotTa WanNa ride on Rascal driving through the airport. One on one of those little buggies drive and I said I wanna do that because who wants to walk all that way and they're like you can't do that you can't like why can't you read a supermarket which people there's AJ other right. This people was last seen all kinds of Michael last and morbidly obese people in car car my taking the last card. I'm sorry I didn't realize that. I put her in coach. I mean he's going to fucking the last seat on the fucking promote. They want to drive the bug. Don't feel to listen. I'M GONNA start. Maybe I haven't been in a bumper car and a long time a bumper car. Just WanNa take the ride. You WanNa take the buggy rides walk. I don't have any guilt about that sort of thing. I don't feel I don't feel like an asshole. Here let me take you in like usher you through the thing. Thank you very much. I always beeping beeping at people. Would you gotta do to get through the airport. I'm sorry disabled person was like I'm laying sweet disabled and they said Oh you start last card sorry data is on it is a woman a holy woman back they can just drop me off and go back and get hurt uh-huh back I care about certain certain services and luxuries that I'm very thankful to have that's the thing if I was thankful and grateful that'd be one thing makes herself the hero so it's really okay and sleep very well at nights Having participated in such thing support that Sam on the Greyhound. I fucking hated money. A coach. See what did you go back back on that and this is this is the story of Your Life. Someone says you've never going back on that Greyhound again in your life every really what I used to go across the country because your parents were on opposite ends ends of the country. That's right so I flew when I was a little tiny kid. Yeah yeah because my mom's in New York my dad was in California. My mom lives in Atlanta. My Dad was in California so she did the same thing but the the point kid getting on the plane. That's why we're there for the summers and things. Yeah the flight attendants were so nice to the little kid take care of. You would never send my flight by themselves but different times. So you lived in San Francisco during the year. I with my stepmother and my dad and I went to school in San Francisco and then in the summer visit my mom and then she was like you know crazy easy. He's M.'s mom's a fascinating woman. She was part of Lombarno she is she was like an incredible artist and part of La Mama Experimental Theatre Group. So Sam's grew up around all these like very the anti-government group about that I can say yes and Harrison Forbes. Her husband River Phoenix. I know my mom was in the nuthouse. Actually she was in Bellevue and she had a meltdown. And then she did all these paintings meanings about it and it's fascinating credible paintings called the plugs. which is a phobia? She she talked about this. But so yeah I wanNA see off it. Sounds like a great movie Francis Barber Movie Yes yeah yeah. Yeah starring Francis O'Connor Hey speaking now speaking of movies you too big shots box office draws or out here. I know you didn't come out just to say hello. You gotta you gotTa be promoting something. Yes yes promoting. What are you promoting? I did a movie with this guy. He's an up and coming director named Clint Eastwood in Clint Eastwood. Wow so Flip within an with an end. Yes okay all right. Can you. A- and Jon Hamm Paul Hauser Olivia Wilde in front of and he did a movie with my friend Mike go dare. He's the lead in many the he pulls. It's called Richard the movies Richard Jewel. Richard when is it comes out on the thirteenth. Of course I knew this. It's about because I remember I used to. I graduated from high school that year but I remember that whole the thing. Oh my God. That's download brothers. No that's another movie about Atlanta. Shame not I remember was Muhammad Ali carrying the torch torch. I don't remember John Hanlon. She's a big Olympia. And of course if you grew up in Atlanta that would it would be a different thing I remember that whole thing was was crazy crazy. I'm excited to see you probably thought retreat by the bomber. That was the name that was thrown around. So yeah that's what I was. You know nine hundred terrorist attacks Olympics six thousand nine hundred ninety six him so it was him he was yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Paul this actor Paul Walter. Houser plays Richard Jewel. He's incredibly funny guy to remember. This actor's name have you guys seen the nice guys yet. It's so talked about this and I got Ryan Gosling in the. WHO's the actor? who gets the blue pain on his face? He is so damn funny. He plays his back. If you don't give me the information goes we're going to cut off your fingers fingers. He sounds like laughing. Then you're gonNA cut off his fingers. He's fuck I'm butchering and he's fucking he. Yeah I really remember those performances. I remember with that movie with Ben Stiller and where he's in Iceland or something. There was this big. He's in a scene. An alternate right. Yeah Walter Remember that big big sort of like thor your act. I love those kind of performances like one day. Yeah fucking steal the movie you've done. Yeah you've done those such an underrated movie. Yeah Yeah I really liked that movie going to ruin the mood when he does. He does like a nod to like Abba Custodian stuff in the bathroom with the the stall physical comedy damage. COMEDIANS can ease. I walked out. He's funny funny. Looking Guy Wins Oscars and he said that crazy. What did God hold back from? You take a Lotta that shit is is. There's so many of them came from the Mickey Mouse Club which is almost like old school. You bought Yankee Manager Justin Timberlake uh-huh Timberlake Britney Spears right back. They all fucking hit me. Baby One more angular dance. She had. Yeah a little showman with a little bit. I think that that is was obviously unless maybe they just really good at picking out talented over there. Can I tell you what so you guys are auditioning mouse club. Did No shit. It was what was. Would you have Zoo Audition dancing dancing sang. So I didn't I wasn't prepared at all. This they put on your saddle shoes Minnie mouse force. Listen you have to understand that this was seventh grade okay and I was having a banner year. The United States so seventh grade. I don't know somebody do the math. Forty one do the do the do the math of when I was. Yeah we're born the same day. We had the exact same birthdate the exact same June second nineteen seventy. How crazy shoutout? GM guys are the same age number anyway. It believable this seven billion. It's three hundred sixty five days. I think it's cool interest cool and we have like such a seven right so anyway I was. I was president on my seventh grade class and NICKELODEON had come to the mall part of the story. This is Iraq. I promise no homework on Fridays. I have no authority to that. But they thought it an extra month the summer vacation. Yeah they've wanted so anyway. I- NICKELODEON had come to the mall. I had done all this stuff and I had won the competition and been on a nickelodeon show so I was really like in the zone. Okay so when the Mickey Mouse Club came I was like well. Obviously my dishing for that was not prepared. I was a professional. Let me be clear. I was not a professional child at all. My Mom knew nothing. It wasn't like what what are they going to have. You do. We should look into it. Let's find find out of excuses to me. Strong keep going for the thing and and I was like yeah of course. Of course I can do it. Of course I can't and they're like okay we're going to have you do some freestyle dance and I was like okay. Cool can listen. I'm doing my thing. You know my little groove on or whatever so they take out. The kids aren't up to par. Then I'm grip group odd. Thank you so and so like you say thank you everybody for coming so I go to the next one. And they're like having a sing and I somehow forgot. What's that one of the main things that you have to do on the Mickey Mouse Club so I was not? I am not a singer and I was drinking on the spot cappella. The Sun will come something about something some remember. Would you say. Would you sing. The first thing that pops into my head was eternal flame by the. How does that go? I'm not you know just it just helps you to. Do you know the tune. You don't have to sing it. I just want to close your eyes. Give me your hand darling. Your is your in heartbe. A didn't go well and I was cut from that rounded the now is it and I was so sad and my mom took me to Burger King to make me feel better and that would tell me. There's a video of this in their is. They're literally seeing around a bonfire like an actual flame. So I just so that itself. Yeah so that was the end of that was very discouraging but otherwise you know it was down in addition for the music man. You know what's fifth grade you really. Yep He's what he's Awad six trombones by the chance for trouble in your fucking hilarious story. I don't know if I can tell this story too. Many people I went to high school. Oh listen to this thing and river city next. Stop River Shitty. All right so they were man. Child kidnapped grade what he was as big as the janitor in the belly of two he was missing was the keys. He peaked in like fifth grade. I remember the role he got was when the when the stagecoach came to town he was basically playing the team horses and he dragged everybody. Yeah and he dragged him in I remember he was all amped up. He's excited so it was like. Oh it was just like he came in wait a minute. Gosh is bringing us full circle happen yelling. Stop Awkward Mall where we'd like parents who's just like this is what he's fine now. I think he's like a cop. The head like Yuna period in his life where his little awkward. He's a little bigger than us. They made him an DOC. Hormone fucking off so I just remember. He came into the fucking cafeteria and he came in the whole when the person who like. Oh Hey always seventies all right. That's what you did the walking kid who's not on. Yeah he pulled the fuck. I didn't cast it. I fucking get mad at me. All right I gotta do because we read out loud. Yeah right okay everybody. Let's Rita Indochino Indochino China. 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He was in a movie called Georgia and he plays as like a norm. He plays like a stay at home. Dad like a really like kind of benign and it was so creepy because he has these lines that are like you know. Put me to bed and you can wait a minute. Did he actually talk. He doesn't talk like that. All kind of donors doesn't really doesn't listening to the best. And here's your receipt. His Oh can you feel when Sam Rockwell is acting like he's listening. Somebody isn't watch this. What's more visual? We gotTA say some. Yeah Hey I really enjoyed that network that you did in that. That was incredible. Yeah Yeah Yeah I saw the Moon Moon saying. I'm sorry I didn't fucking awesome. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm I'm digesting. Yeah character work. That's the thing I I feel like actors like Salmon. Like he's not even like trying he's just literally like absorbing i-love-you savant. I love it. I have one more reason to hear. 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I'd like you cost. Let's go inside right right. It's fucking hit. Novak making him do that in front of fill our God. So so Sam was he kind of took me under his wing when we galaxy quest he was like my one but I'd never been Allah was also new to me. Shark movie with Phil So Shan was the one guy that it kind of like hang out with and stuff and yeah one day Phil Hoffman. Who I was obsessed with came to set when she showed up and saying the movie with him well his shoulder Ramadorai Christie came there? You're like my buddies common. You didn't tell me that. Was My buddies coming out of this movie. Deep Deep Blue Deep Blue Sea one the Senate just Bush Shou. You're thinking of could I say the wrong. What is it Samuel Jackson monologue where he gets? He's the sharks. Tim Is the one time this moment. Yeah you think he's going to have this big like Detroit and then the puck and Shark Patina tonight came with us. Remember that right. I don't know if he'd hang out with you guys a lot but I was my impression that he didn't yeah not too much but he was cool. I like came in and and so I was just watching watching the movie. I was basically just watching Tim. Allen and Phil Hoffman like exchange laughs because Tim would start laughing at something cheesy in the movie and then fill would laugh at tim laughing and they both had these great big hearty laughs and and so fun it was so we went out for drinks at Oakham Padre. And that's what I made you and do the impression and Sam and I'm just like Hey I don't WanNa talk around Phil so nervous. Random is twenty years old and Sam Goes Sam goes. Oh my God fill Phil you got a great impression. There's an awesome blowing up by fills do and I know and so i. I was too embarrassed to do it. And then we started doing shots. We started doing allergic liquid courage and I was like. I don't know where I was just saying. Don't do it. Ah Hour later do what I did and people were laughing except for Phil Phil Goes. That's just me from Boogie. Nights is hi sound like years later. We laughed about it but he was. That's your voice. Yeah yeah character. Just that he loved loved. You missed amazing. have been great to really sad place place. No Okay couldn't wake you ask them about because we talked about childhood audition stuff like yeah. Yeah you guys have. Oh Yeah I have dishes for a play like when you were like before I do. I do have a good one because I have the one where he brought the gun. The prop up gone through the metal detector. You guys know each USA Tsa. Before pre nine. Eleven I I it was quicken. The dead and I was practicing that Western right then. Sharon stone decided to give portion of her salary to get the Capri on than I was. I went to meet Sam Ramey who you ended up working with him and and I was flown to Arizona. I think two or Santa Fe to do a screen test with Sam Raimi's so I spray painted all these Big squirt guns that were originally originally orange or green or whatever black and they were like they look like forty four magnums carry on and they stop. Let me you know I mean now being what they say I was late for the plane and they stopped me and then okay let me get on. The plane took the right right. How old are you think maybe not? I was twenty four months Mike Brother. WHO's a big you know you got a big fan of both years We picked up. Sam wants after an addition for that Jesse. James Movie Yes yes and I'll never forget. Seeing this is one of our great actors. We were seeing him. Run across sunset with little toy. Like a little toy holster and and you had to. You had brought like kid tweet props like off. It was such a funny sight to see him. Running that satellite assignation of Jesse James Howard. Yeah that's how I met your Renner who you ended up and he was. It was a wild dude. He was but I remember in high school. Doing a monologue you would do you would do. This has back to the everyone. I watched John Malkovich salesman. I just copied him. So you know Willie hanging myself I they turn around and then you jerk back around you know no. Wow you must have some really I mean you must have some really good ones it. Libya tell some good. Yeah I definitely I used to listen at the door to hear people do that. Let let where did you ever do that. No you hate that. I thought for a second you were supposed to do it and a few times I started doing it can backfire. We still so bad. It can backfire because of it's going if it's going bad then you got this is going well and you hear them laughing. And we'll see you Tuesday. You feel like shit well. The thing is the one time I recall something like that even remotely happening. I was auditioning for some independent. May and all the girls were doing it one one way because it was getting reaction I was like the other way. Because I'M GONNA stand out. Everyone's doing I did it. The other way and I ended up ended up getting it. Were you listening when you're listening at the door. But it wasn't not listening. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Sometimes it's hard not to hear when I just heard them all doing it the same way and I I was probably yes. I was not actively listening. Passively take just senator just say officials addition to say what I smoked pot then inhales fucking. Listen it's pretty stunning. I caught a kid. I used to see it auditions all the time in the Waiting Room God. I don't miss those days. I caught him twice. Doing I suspect the first one being a phone risk getting a phone call and I suspected I wanna being fake and then when I heard him do it twice he goes something like this. We're all about dishing saint part in the waiting room and he goes he goes. Oh Hey hey what's up man like I did I booked okay cool. Well you know I'm on dishing for this other the thing. I don't even know what should do it now. Seems better badges both similar. It was like a similar like oh I just got a job. So he's like Sykes yeah he took it like right outside people could hear I knew a guy that if if any one of us book something told him that he always says Oh. Yeah Yeah I was going to do that by turned adopt. WHY THEY TURN I? I want to keep struggling. I like I like being in my bed and seeing my kitchen. Yeah it's more real reach my stove. Want to sell. Let's see what the did you do as a kid because I know you've probably like sex. I didn't like doing it when I was my mom was an actress and the last thing I wanted to do all all the Shitty side of it. Yeah But whenever she was part of a workshop theater workshops if they ever needed a kid we would occasionally you know Chris the hangers. Yeah if we didn't comply enforcing positive work ethics. Thanks uh-huh mom yeah. It wasn't your favorite thing is the last thing I wanted to do. In fact and then I wanted to complete football my real gridiron but I did and I was just too small I I I needed a way to meet. Meet The lady METEX yeah and in high school. That's you know that was the only thing I could really do. Yeah it's kind of follow my brother into what about you. What got you into Well the first thing ever remember doing performance wise was in preschool and there was like I remember Miss Clare. Dr was like we're GonNa do Snow White and the seven drawers and I'd like my hand immediately shop. I was like I'm on me. Snow White glazed over me. It was like Oh and moved onto into the white girl cast against type of snow. I know why but this was actually a white before I moved to Atlanta Atlanta. I was living in Queens New York with with my mom I my parents had just gotten like separated not too long before so this was the international children's was was quite actually now that I think about it. She may not have been all the way. Because you very light skinned So I was so sad about that and I think she felt bad so she made me the Magic Mirror which is fine. But it's kind of like that ox thing. I just thought maybe one thing like you could give me the exact thing but you know the mirror does talk to the queen about like everything that she's doing or whatever it is but the thing is like you coulda made me the evil queen could have given me some kind of now too scary spice. Why was she says that the answer it one of them? Yeah yes well anyway so I yeah that was that was I really i. I had a crash course and how this business works my first. My first thrill play in high school was it was in the woods and I didn't make the final cut to be in the cast and so there were so many kids who they had to create like a spillover job for all the kids that didn't make it and so they created that the role of the woodland nymphs Woodland Hills which basically meant we learned around in the background. We first of all we have to wear a UNITARDS. Yeah and I haven't gone through puberty a late bloomer and so it was being very revealing outfit. Yeah it's really embarrassing and the girls had gone through so I was like a little kid go and we just have to move seen around alert. That was the worst now. Now why we start a unitards unit you know so we blended with the back. It was like camouflage you Hewitt dodgeball a little bit. I don't know why he humiliating the roles actually Leotard a unitary. A good question. uh-huh well one judy means by analysts Cycle Unisex Leotard Cartwright Right Leotard. It's more really cuts off like on the legs and it goes all go by. That's been solved. podcast listeners. This is Stephanie. Sure that has never been discussing this so called. Usually like a loner and I don't don't like have people in my life and that's nice to not be alone for one. Well this is like we won some contests this is like. We're like fantasy camp for Gassing Sam and I both love I don't know I want to speak for you but I I listen to the point. We both listen. We both listened to it. I was listening to it today because I saw Cuban cigars and I was like. Oh I better. How does he not like Cuban cigars? Check that out now but yeah. We'd stop smoking cigars now. I do you got the mix if they're real mortgage August if they're real if they're real. The problem is most of them are fake. I used to always hate those guys. You know Muslims are fake being the fucking asshole on Christmas and it was just like once you smoke a real as your lighting at you like Oh my God oh you know right away now boxer on the one podcast that you had discovered it got hip to him he was and he fought. How was that boxer undiscovered? It was a boxer. Had never heard of. Do you remember the John Daddy. He was John Daddy. Daddy was when you were going on and on about him I looked no no he was he was a bad ass. Man He was. Oh Fuck Tuck From the nineteen sixties and. He had the unfortunate luck of being between Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali in when Sonny Liston when he had gotten to the fuck was in Cleveland. Something Williams some yeah. This guy was just like if you look at highlights. He was unbelievable amazing and right when he was about ready. It's it's a fucking movie I don't know why no one's ever developed a screenplay but like the Guy Right is he's about ready to get his shot centralism starting to go down and right before Mohammed Ali. He he got stopped traffic. Stop Cop fucking shot him. Why doesn't like a year too like crazy and he never had any story? What's the COP opt in came back and then superstrong to regarding Mike? Let's say I think that was the hardest. The Guy The guy who hit him the hardest always this Guy Williams. It'll be about yeah. Yeah he's really quietly. Those are always boxing. Movies are always the fucking best. Yeah I'm surprised. Awesome you box a lot. I mean I wouldn't call it boxing. I'd call it hitting hitting hitting is Jim. They all knew there just to get in shape so he's swank think that's what I saw John Baby off skipping rope blimp. Who worked at black? I hope he was fat and they might call Blimp and he looked at me. He was watching me. SKIP ROPE because bill. Did you have any black friends. Growing up yeah Trash the whole time. I always tell the story though. Charlie Murphy rest is when he found out I was going over there. He's going over there. How long have you've been that was like a benefit like we? Just I'm GonNa tell you what's GonNa Happen about six weeks in he goes. Somebody's GonNa come up to you and they're gonNA start fucking do don't do. They're going to try to get you in the ring. Alan Nice man you because they just want to try out shit about and you do not on six weeks to the day shredded shredded. Black box fixed rate. Look Good Nice on act in the ring and I was doing then I started laughing and he laughed. I knew that I knew what he was doing. That Charlie Murphy fucking save you must destroy Murphy got in there. I'll watts fun. Yeah all that. We'll do a Togo gets mad. Oh God I was game over. I'm I'm good. I'm good acting back to the good. Yeah exactly exactly all right. Well that's been the podcast and Justin and yeah thank you guys for all your family is going to. He coming out. I don't know when early part of next year March. Netflix hasn't told me yet. But thank you guys so much for continuing to do it because people love the show. All right Monday by.

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Midge Costin Is 'Making Waves'

The Frame

16:47 min | 1 year ago

Midge Costin Is 'Making Waves'

"Henze rebel Wilson Stephen Merchant Alfie Allen now playing in select feeders from the broadcast center at KP podcasting supported by Fox searchlight presenting Joe Joe Rabbit an antiwar satire directed by Tyco YTD starring Scarlett Johansson Sam Rockwell Thomas in me I sense gets plugged in six months seven months into the womb. It's hearing the mother's heartbeat it's hearing her breathing is hearing dad shouting from the garage it's making sense of the world shade we can say all that stuff but when it comes to sound if I it's like lizard brain before we were worn you're looking at darkness sound is the first film scoring is that you know when it's wrong but if you and your colleagues have done their job right we may not really notice what you've done correct unsound music and score all come together to make you feel something when you're out the movies the documentary directed by Midge Causton she got her start fifth grade for Christmas so you were always listening to things in a different way one of the things that I think is true about sound design and sometimes now I have no idea what's being done if it's really really great or really really bad I might I've got go back and listen because here's the deal if it's it's not sound like the effects and ambience you're hearing now from the first matrix movie making waves the art of cinematic sound explores the way that affects dialogue Ambi Oy in some ways it's invisible but in many ways it's not and do you think most people understand or appreciate outside of the business ordinary movie goers what is that it's easy to think of film as a visual art form but a new documentary employers you not to forget about the importance of sound Walter Merger talks about this that it's it's how we perceive sowed we don't for some reason we know vision like we know that we're being affected like we call her lights inventive and did a lot with sound because he came from radio I now the other the other reason why people don't know is it an it's how we start the movie how on design can bring to a film no that's why I did the movie because when I got into sound I realized how much we're bringing to it now I worked on the big action adventure movies it allowed us in it's like it's killing us but it works against us in the sense that were invisible to people and they don't know how how important sound is but it works in our favor for because we get to do all these things it sounds negative to say manipulate but to affect the audience and you don't like I go to movies and people say oh it must ruined movies for you on sake it sound with picture and even here this is different what we're doing with the Rio it sound it's all sound ness by Orson Welles like legit was real in filmmaking as a picture editor but after a couple of jobs in sound editing she was hooked man I was just into it and I love to and then I realize after because all these people that I interviewed for the film a lot of them got reel to reel tape recorders and played with that when they were young in the fifth grade I got a reel to reel tape recorder

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Kurt Loder Wants Lady Gaga to Win an Oscar

Reason Podcast

34:44 min | 2 years ago

Kurt Loder Wants Lady Gaga to Win an Oscar

"This is the reason podcast, and I'm your host nNcholas by the Oscars take place in just a few days. And so today, I'm sitting down with Kurt Loder who reviews movies for reason at reason dot com, and who's takes her syndicated all over the world by creators syndicate, we're gonna find out what movies actors directors writers song makers, whatever that shirt thinks are deserving Oscars, and which ones are not. But we're also gonna go meadow little bit and talk about whether or not these types of award shows kind of self back clapping things like the Oscars like the Grammys, the Tonys or the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I guess even you know, should these things just kind of disappears. Are they twentieth century phenomenon that we're better off leaving behind and let them sync into the ocean? Like good old. Mr. Norman main fewer a stars born fan. We're gonna talk about changing attitudes towards music, TV, novels and other aspects of pop culture, Kurt is a. Omnivore who I started writing for rock magazines back in the nineteen seventies eventually becoming a big brighter at Rolling Stone and co authoring Tina Turner's memoir what? Plus what's love got to do with it in the eighties? He was on MTV as the news anchor. And there's a generation of people who still remember him for telling them that Kirk cobaine had committed suicide in the early nineties nowadays, the best place to find Kurt other than at the pages of reason dot com is on Sirius XM where he hosts a show called true stories where he interviews rock and other types of musicians, and they tell stories that may or may not be true. But are always interesting hurt. Thanks for coming onto the reason podcast. My pleasure. Okay. And I should I'll remind people what necessarily know this. But this is the third time. We're trying to do this because of technically pitches that my own advancing senility introduced the process, but so it's it's getting a little familiar than let's jump right into the Academy Award nominations. Okay. I'm looking at a list of best picture and these include Black Panther, black klansman. It's bohemian rhapsody. I was gonna say black bogeyman rhapsody because it seems like there's a trend, but. Yeah. The favorite green book Roma. A star is born and vice which pictured you think is most deserving best picture while there's so many unless you're was a really really strong year for movies. I think, you know, used to be the critic some sit around year's end at all year. This was movies, really sucked. But it was a great year. And I dunno Black Panthers have really good fantasy movie. I like that quite a bit. I like the favorite a lot. And it was a big and the favorite is a court drama, right? I mean monarchic aristocratic court. Yeah. It said in the early eighteenth century, it's about Queen. And it was like sort of a doddering matriarch, and she has this. Woman servant, I guess who's keeping to use all her power. And there's some Libyan motifs running through it and just very funny beautiful, and it's one of those movies where you just look at the costumes and say, oh my God. These are incredible. So it's worth seeing I had they recommend that. If are picking a movie would have to be a star born, it's Hollywood all the way, it's just goes over the top. And it's very sentimental and three moving tier ran down white cheek. I wasn't the only one it's kind of movie, and it's just it's there's so many things they're wonderful about it. Especially lady Gaga, who of course, things this long shallow, and she's she's great just her first acting job, and she just knocks it out of the bar. How does it compare to the Kris Kristofferson Barbra Streisand? From the I guess I was the seventies powers above it. I think I didn't. I didn't care for that. I mean, you know, like everybody likes to the one from back in that whatever it was the forty two thirty. Yeah. James may and and Norlin Trudy garland, and then there's the old. I think the original one is from the thirties was like Fredric March and Janet Gaynor's. Yeah. What do you think it is about that kind of that story? 'cause this you know, it's been made at least three or four times now of the of the kind of star cross career crossed lovers. What you because you said this is kind of like old Hollywood or or kind of traditional Hollywood at its best. What is the appeal that story? It's a broad outline human story. I mean big star. She started to wobble on this historian to what he's starting to wobble. She is a young woman news rising up and you see them passing each other. And it just sends an inherent, you know, Chris to it. I think there's no denying incident. Gillette make fun of it. But it works it affects people, and that's why I think that's one of the reasons I think it's a really good movie. I wonder if we will see our when we will see a movie where the the gender roles reversed. I mean, you get some of that with something. Yeah. I was gonna say I'm Sunset Boulevard is kind of like that. But it it's played for laughs or dark humor. Right. Because the old actress is a hag even though I suspect that at I'm sorry blocking under name. The actress was you know, who's a silent film star in Queen Kelly and whatnot was probably young certainly younger than than you. Or? I are right now. Doubt. So how about best best director? We have Spike Lee for black klansman Powell how heloc hausky of Cold War of polish movie Yorgos lent Hemos Alfonzo Koran and Adam McKay. I would go with all phones quarrel because he's all admirable people but funded on shots, Roma and Roma's, very unusual film and shut white screen black and white and astonishing black and white you go to a theater to see it. You just marvel how beautiful it is great. And who's the director shot the whole thing himself? So I think you've gotta give it to him for for this. How how do you get around? I guess you're going to work in Mexico to get around the union. A one man band or something like that. But you know, one of the things that's interesting about Rome is that it's a Netflix movie, and it was streaming on Netflix. But also had a theatrical run everybody. I know I have not seen it yet. But everybody, I know who saw it in the theater said, it is an absolute theatrical experience like to be seen on the big screen. Do you feel like a Hollywood has done a good job or or the entertainment industry, even as things become more and more ubiquitous and more and more convenient to stream on your phone or on something into the size of postage stamp? But they also really are bringing back that that live or you know, that that in person experience at the theater, I think so. Yeah, the the problem is heaters. Of course, is that they're so expensive you go in somebody's sitting next to using their phone projection is probably off, you know, the popcorn costs ten dollars. Shut. It's not a pleasant experience. So now, you have theaters they're going for a high end thing you can walk in and they're like waiters bringing you food. I've been to these places. So they're trying to trying to fight back. I think Netflix is a great thing. A lot of people say, well, it's gonna kill the theatrical experience. But it's it's great for movies, especially great for middle movies Indies as all Koran was being interviewed by some reporter person. You know, you're contributing to the Jeff Seattle experiences. I I've got a black and white movie in Spanish, where do you think that was gonna get a wide release? And now it's being seen all over the world. Remember, the first movie you saw in the theater, I think, oh, let me see might have been the great Gilbert and Sullivan had rubber moorland was preceded by stomach as he walked into the one of the first movies. I remember saying thing the thing around the world the nineteen fifty one version, which might parents dropped me off to see when I was like six those were different times. Did that scare the hell out of you? I was terrified because right way. Yeah. That I you know, I came to that. After seeing I guess the remake by John carpenter around ninety one or something which I thought was very good. And it is amazing. You know, that that kind of emotional response that you get too early movies. And I think it it, you know, that those are the people who go on to be come film critics, right? You know that you were maximum or Syria. Yeah. Become you know, disturbed in some way. Possibly I think because. Yeah. Everything you see everything you do when you're very young. I think imprint on you. So it's important what you're going to see. But yeah. A lot of the stuff that I saw I saw junk when I was young as you do. So I've had a lifelong pension for jump. Well, that's a huge baby boom phenomenon. I'm at the tail end of the baby boom. But it is one of the things that the junk culture that informed so much of rock music and punk music and things like that. It's odd. It was you know, there's so much nostalgia. And I guess it's not unique to the baby boom, but you are on some level recapturing something you remember from your youth as you get older and older in movies and music. I think that's probably true. You don't want the same thing over and over again. I think you're when you're young you find somebody say poi-, I love the energy of this. Or I love the way this moves or love this actor. I think maybe you go through life wanting to find another really great actor agreed velocity and a movie, so it's not just searching for something knows a carbon copy. Well, let's talk about best-actor we've got Christian bale for vice like Dick Cheney Bradley Cooper stars Willem Dafoe at eternity gate where he's playing Vincent thing. Golf rami. Malik who plays Freddie, Mercury and bohemian rhapsody and Vigo Mortenson who plays Tony lip in Green Bay. Who who do you think is the standard? Again. These guys are all really good in movies. I would have to go with Romney, Molly. I think there's a lot of criticism of the bohemian rhapsody the Queen movie as not being accurate and. Putting enough focus on pretty mercury's being gay, which is totally wrong. It's entirely does treat that subject. But I think he's he transformed himself and captured something about charisma and the rock business and a guy who's just quietly determined to become a star. It's really impressive to watch him in this movie. How big a change agent is from the bad term for. But somebody like, Freddie, Mercury when you think of when he when he emerged on onto the pop stage or the rock stage and Queen. I mean, they, you know, they're in a tradition of people like David Bowie and kind of more theatrical performers and whatnot. But I mean, he was a really weird looking figure who you know, was making music that nobody else was making. You know, how big a deal was, Freddie. Mercury thinking kind of the evolution of rock into something approaching art. Draw people's attention is a hard rock kind of guy. I mean, sometimes you look at member village people, but he didn't care because he just went out and did what he wanted to do. And it's it's really kind of rousing to watch somebody like that and say, wow, you're not going to be told what to do anybody. And I think that was a great thing about him. We're I think there have been gay people like going back to Liberace in the nineteen forties and fifties. Who's clearly, but people didn't care. He was a great entertainer. Really good at what he did. And people loved him. So maybe Pretty's in that line. I'm I'm not sure about that. Let's talk about best actress we have a Ulitsa Ulitsa Appalachia from Roma Glenn Close in the wife. Olivia Colman in the favorite lady Gaga, an SARS worn and Melissa McCarthy in can you ever? Forgive me. I so wish Melissa McCarthy could could win this. She's so good in Kenya. Over forgive me. She says wonderful Coleman is really good in the favorite Illit Aparicio is the star of Roma. She's she's not an actress, she's a schoolteacher or something from remote fiction of Mexico. It's amazing that she got through this movie. She does sort of a presence, but she's not an actress she can't project, and I just I'm puzzled why she's in this category. I think the winters should be lady Gaga because she's astonishing in every way. And I mean, I guess one of the. One of the interesting things about lady Gaga to is that she's just getting started. I mean, his obviously been around us as a music performer for a while. But even there she's not been around long end as an actress, do you think she's going to have one of the one of the great careers? I mean, some similar to somebody like Barbra Streisand. Well, he could I mean, she's really really a great singer. And she's really a musician. I mean, she can just sit down at beyond M play like amazing material. So she's got everything it takes you, obviously dedicated to her career, and she's one of those rare people should comes along. And she's she seems to have it all on. I guess we'll see soon enough. It's kind of annoying. Actually, if you know, it is annoying is do you feel like, and I realize I'm jumping back and forth between music, and rock, and and film and everything but do our musicians of such as lady Gaga or are. They more serious about their careers than they used to be. I mean like she seems to be unlikely to. Fuck this up by you know, going into a tailspin either of just not working very hard or becoming you know, some kind of hermit addict or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is true. If you're going to be an addict that probably is better, but you know, the work ethic just seems like unbelievable. The only thing that's always been true. I mean, especially if there's this in the early days of a wrap that the hardest working people in show business robbers, they were totally devoted to their careers. Can they maximize how can they merchandise? I mean, they were serious businessmen, and they're working really really hard. They deserve whatever they got with it. I think he will always have to be serious about your career. She obviously is somebody somebody like most McCarthy to she's been on a pro longtime. She's still here and she hand chance. I mean, she always says he's kind of Fateh lady comedies. She's good at that. But can you ever? Forgive me is a totally different role for a little bit about what that movie, I think is probably one of the less. That's got nominated for stuff. What's what's the backstory of can you ever forgive me? Well, it's based on a true story about a woman who was a writer sort of a minor biography writer and the nineteen fifties. And she decided she couldn't get any more book deal. So she she found out that if you have if you have memorabilia like a letter from famous person, you can sell it for quite a bit of money as memorabilia stores, so she started thinking memorabilia, I have this litter from Noel coward. She gets four hundred dollars for it. It's really funny and Richard E grant plays this. Narrative. Well, guys, who assists her the two of them together are just unbelievable. They're so so good. I hope more people do see this movie. And I'm sure they'll see it on Netflix or something. Flex. It's ruining everything we have to keep talking about now making everything so much better. And obviously, you know, the other thing that I think that flicks and an Amazon streaming as well, you know, and it's not like they created it. I mean, they're picking up on stuff that places like HBO and Showtime done, but you know, the the creation where we now take it for granted that we're going to have these incredibly novelist the thick ongoing series that might last for season seasons. You know, we're we're very punishing. I think as viewers we immediately granted anything good. And then just kind of like, well, what comes next. I think you're gonna reach a point where people realize I can't devote my life to watching all three hundred episodes, whatever the stupid furious, and she doesn't have time can't read and watch TV and go see movies. It's like you just be home. All the time. Thankfully, you know, none of us work anymore. So it's like we at least. So best supporting actor. We have a Mahershala Ali Ali in green book as Don, Shirley, Adam driver in black klansman Sam Elliott in a star is born Richard E grant, you just mentioned, and can you ever forgive me and Sam Rockwell who plays George W Bush in vice I love San knock while I'm about this. But Marshall ALI'S very good in green book is a very appealing act actor drivers good. But he's always good and fan. A million is just a charismatic presence. He doesn't have much to do a stars warm. But when he's there really feel in risky grants should win in this category. And I think he will because everybody's talking about him. It's he's never been nominated. He did a movie, but thirty years ago called with Nalen, I which he played in drunk who is very entertaining. He's playing trunk in this movie too. And the ironic thing is that he's incapable of drinking, Richard E grant. So he he cannot he will die. He can metabolize alcohol. So I think he may have tried it. I was I was talking to him as we hang out together all the time. And he said, I think he may have had a drink once, but he just can't do it. But he really plays a drunk. Really really, well, and it doesn't in this movie, especially can you ever forgive me? This is the best supporting actor category. Has you know, it's an embarrassment of riches talk. And I I agree with you. Sam Rockwell is one of those I actually all of them are like this where they I mean shittiest performances like off the charts. But what about Sam Elliott is? Now, an elder statesman. And he is this, you know, he's he's he makes every movie better. You know, like as great a shitty movie road houses, it's like may ten times better by Sam Elliott being in there. What what is it about, you know, ghost rider, the Nick cage movie running? Superhero comic. Like, what is it about? Sam Elliott that you know, what what's he doing? Because he also never seems to be doing anything. He's just he's he's like a black hole. Your your light the light just bends towards it? I think he just incorporates the values frontier America, and he's just he seems like the most sincere the strongest personality, and he doesn't have the dual to project that he's very good at that. And lifeguard was with I it was nice storm member that I thought that ruled out some courses it classic. But he's a it's not a lot to do in started boring. But he's. His role was the the angry brother of the Bradley Cooper characters. Really? You can feel it when he's there. And and of course, it'll be lebowski. He's been so many movie it's good to have him back. Good to see him nominated. Are you do you voted any of this? Are you a member of the Adamy? Oh, I remember his tag. But I don't know. So we'll let's best supporting actress Amy Adams who plays. Lynch Cheney advice, marina de Tavira in Roma Regina king. And if you'll streak could talk Emma stone in the favourite and Rachel Weiss also in the fit. Rachel laser agree team in the favorite along with the Livia Coleman three of them. It's like one performance as so interconnected homeless allowed to see them all nominated find to go for somebody year, and he has been nominated over and over again as number one, but I would have to Regina king, and it feels street could talk. She's it's so sad. So moving which she doesn't that movie. This rare just looking at supporting actresses seems to be a rare of moment where none of them are prostitutes were addicts. I don't know what went wrong. Yeah. Obviously. Well, I guess this is what happens when Harvey Weinstein gets kicked out of Hollywood. I mean, two of them are lesbian. So that's something. But we want more. I think I think I think Blake lively and a simple favor should should have been in this category. Because she's she's a real Hollywood thing. She wears like took sito's, and she's like vampy, and she's great everybody should go. See a simple favor. Let's best animated feature film. We have the incredible too. I o of dogs Mirai route breaks the internet and Spiderman into the spider verse. Do you have a strong opinion about the best animated feature? Phil, I think spider man spider versa. Probably gonna win this very original. And. I would normally say the incredible 's, but I don't think the second one was the first movie, which is really a watershed event. So I go Spider-Man into the spider spiders. Is it a good thing? That animation is back. And obviously it's been back. I guess more or less since the little mermaid in the late eighties. But you know, there was that period. Where and certainly I remember the the animated movies, I saw growing up tended to suck. And what I mean, you know, what what happened that animation is somehow now, not just they, you know, alive thing, but it actually some fantastic, you know, artistic statements come out of it. Technology. I think it's been like thirty years since the Pixar made their first film, which was a short and pick czars really transformed everything because they're so committed to digital animation, which has changed everything other things you can do with that. He can't afford to do with drawn animation, which is very labor intensive. So I think that's I think that helps it's expensive, but it's probably getting less expensive. And you can do amazing thing with its eye-popping work can be done with digital. Well, let's pull back. That's most of the major words unless there is there an award that you are particularly rooting for particular person to win that we haven't mentioned. Well, I think there should be a an annual nNcholas cage award just for him. He had a movie Mandy lash. We here. There's nothing there is nothing else. Like that movie. It's like he should get it for that. Apparently, he's doing a new movie, which he says, we'll be even wilder. So we'll see pro Rama's in the collection of reviews that you publish a few years ago. You had a what was it? The good the bad and the downright awful. But you had a special section for nNcholas cage. What what what is your what is your obsession with him? And what what happened to him? I think we say everybody's obsession with her. Well, David let David Lynch said he's like the jazz musician of actors, and I think that's true. We he does things he just makes choices while you're watching him and say, oh, man. There was. Was the ghost ghost rider, the one right or no other movie? I've got the other movie the movie where he was in hell and his daughter backup on earth got in trouble and Nick continent car in hell and drove back to see ver is one of the for me. Do you take him seriously? And I mean, and and I'm not saying you're not when you looking at these wild and weird movies at an ad like the awful things like the remake of the wicker man, which is just. Even more on watchable than the original. But then there were movies on I'm thinking of like, it was kind of a small movie, it's got to be almost twenty five years old miracle red rock west where he played, you know, it's it's kind of like an existential NIA western, and, you know, it's like a quiet small movie, and he's brilliant in it like. Is. I mean, what what is you know? We'll do you think helped make a movie that will like fully deliver on a kind of conventional promise that he has as an actor as he chew into the odd stuff. Now. I don't think he'll ever be conventional admire the fact that he'll try stuff which doesn't work out. Very well as he says that he does he'll do something for money. And then the next movie will be something you really you really likes a lot a lot of money troubles for a while. Right with the IRS. Yeah. So, but he's done a lot of a lot of very interesting, movies and. And the the weird stuff is just wonderful too. So whatever he does it doesn't even matter. You know, doesn't say nNcholas cage on the box. I'll take it home. With me. Is there any trial basis? Is there anybody else like in? I mean is somebody like Brando like that as well? Or is do you think Nick cage is the most compulsively watchable actor ever? Well, brand it was a great actor. But he did a lot of crap to just really really really bad. And he just didn't seem to care. You know? I I don't know even the even the bad stuff. You did though he was the best thing in the bad movie. So, but I I don't think anybody's like nNcholas cage. He's sort of he's one of the kind. I think so let's talk about the Oscars as an institution, you know, in their their their their to thet Hollywood itself institution. Are we done the Academy Awards this year famously couldn't get anybody to host that because Kevin Hart had some bad tweets in the past? Is this like a sign that we should just be saying stop south Academy Awards just go away or it's like the state of the union. They should just publish the list instead of having a performance. Well, the first Academy Awards names in nineteen twenty seven listed about less than half an hour. I think so it can be done. You know, I think they're kinda me, where's the problem with the Kennedy wars ending his clear. There are too many show piece things that stopped the show. Here's a dance number. Here's this. Here's that. Here's like a list of people. There's just so much of that. I just drives you crazy. However, that's not gonna stop while they keep making money with this show. And I'm sure they do even though you know, viewership is plummeted over list ten years or so. I mean, it seems like that's a common trend for award show. The Grammys the Emmys, the rock and Roll Hall of fame performances. Are are we as a society? Are we getting done with this kind of stuff in his a good thing? Well, some of us are I think imagine being fifteen years old tuning into the Academy Awards and all these these jokers and like evening where standing outside L A where it's like three and a half after noon and the broiling sun, and they're all pretending like, they're really important, and they go inside, and they're all clapping. You're getting close ups on camera. It just seems sold and then played out. It seems to me it might be generational thing. If you're younger, you have so many other things you can do you can see movies that the county awards never heard of, you know. You're just in a different head space entirely. I think on the u as I mentioned in the introduction, your cultural omnivore, and I know I personally benefited from various recommendations, you've given in terms of music, and in terms as well as as movies, you know, but you know, on the one hand in in a Broadway. We have absolutely more access to more stuff being done. You know, that you can access at every conceivable moment or you can even produce yourself on the other hand, we we have you know, speech policing that seems really out of control barely suppress rage about everything on social media and public apologies. Like, we're living in mouse, cultural revolution all the time. Do you think overall is this a good time or a bad time for cultural expression, also best and worst of times? You know, when you see when you see this this reactive sort of response to social media. What people are saying it's like the nineteen fifties. Again, it's relaxed so old and you just want to say God what's going on on the other hand, we do live in a time. When it's like pornography is available. Whenever you want your ten years old pops right up in front you. So I think people were sort of gun shy about that sort of thing. It's a it's a new element. I don't know. I think it's great. What goes on their problems with social media? But what what is it -ccomplish? It's really astonishing has really transformed our age. What are you? What are you listening to these days? I think more people should know about. Oh, I'm waiting for some stuff. Actually, I'm a fan of this guy Steve gun who's like guitar player who has all kinds of interesting kind of open tunings for all the guitar players out there. I like him a lot and he's going to do a new L mount I like Paul Wilkin filled who's an Australian woman who plays bass, and she's an incredible bass player apart from being a singer and stuff. She's she plays Jeff bag she played with everybody and she's killer jazz basis. So she's and I really like bad baby. I I'm like a three or four people of my age who like her a lot. She's this girl, I'm Danielle bre goalie and she became famous like three years ago. And she her mother took her on the Dr Phil show because she didn't know what to do with her anymore because she was such a problem. She was the name of the show was ruthless. That I wanna give up my car stealing knife-wielding touring thirteen year old daughter who tried to frame me for crime. So she was on with Dr Phil. And apparently during the show she threw out breaking the show, she snuck outside and stole the car of one of the crew members. So she's got a rap sheet. She's thirteen and she somehow got picked up by what she's an internet star. So she picked up by a manager. And before you know, what she had to album on track with Atlantic records, and she's a rapper and would be another big mistake and social media world, except that she I think she's a good rapper. She has a real interesting flow as they say and she works with some great producers. I I like her her tracks a lot. She's seems to be an insufferable go maniac. I mean, I wouldn't want to be around her. She had a run in with David Spade in which she claim. Not to know him or something, and it was kind of kind to him. But in the end, he he he volunteered to be. She did. So she's interesting in and she wants I should also mention she did a really interesting video about Petr pedophile, which is something in the news. And she vio for her mom saying, you know, mom, don't worry. I'm not gonna do them the dark road. So she's there's something else. Besides just the sensation feel as you as you get older, and as you know, the music of your use either kind of starts to fade or gets repackaged and replayed because there aren't that many different ways to do popular music, really. What when when will you stop keeping up? I guess if I doze off her nab or something. I don't know. Don't try to keep up. I mean, their way they're places here music. You stop by. If there's anything the Moos you. I mean, keeping up is a duty, you know, these twenty size or on our on the charts. I must listen to them. I must see what they're all about. That's like that's more like working in the music industry, which I've done it. Sure takes its sometimes takes one out of everything. So I'm just happy bouncing around and coming across something and say, well, this is really good. You know, six sites being away. I've always been excited by news. It's the best you can hope for I think what about in terms of novels or fiction. What are you reading these? Let me see just got a new book by Don Winslow who's? Writes the array thrillers about well crime novels about the border about cartel, culture and stuff. This one's called the borders. The third one is first book or one of his books has made into a movie as we speak, and he's just a Sonning. He's such a great quantity of this scene. And he does a lot of reporting. There's there's a lot of information in his books like that a lot. I just got a boat by Jasper Ford, which I haven't started it'd be fan of Thursday next books. He did their incredible. And Barry is lers and other guy who does he's crime thrillers, and his he's one of these people you just hate because it used to be let me see Houston for the CIA. And then he was like a stockbroker, and then he became like a black belt karate champion in Japan. And. Stop, you know, just stop just making us all look bad. But love his books. He's create writer. I think we will leave it there Kurt. Thank you for sharing your Oscar picks what you're listening to. And and some good reads that you've taken up we've been talking with Kurt Loder, he reviews movies at reason dot com, and he's also the host of a show on Sirius XM. What's the what is the channel? Or where's the best place to find you on channel one? Oh, six on the porta siriusxm. Just call volume. Siriusxm. You'll find skull true stories. Well, we will leave it there. This has been the reason podcasts, I have been nNcholas. Be police subscribed to us at at apple at Google at Spotify. Where on or go to reason dot com and look up and get us into your feet. Thanks very much for listening.

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Matt. I missed that I needed to. There was was blowing smoke up my ass. Do that I? Don't know because they think are shows like influential. Maybe the joke is on them. My mom is forty thousand cellphone used. Subscribe to this podcast. Miles, I feel like it's been a minute since I sent you an ugly baby photo, I know momentum died we. Get, her, on. People. We had a little DM thread going because we had shared realization that some people you're get real eager with the new. The newborn photos which are fine I understand the pride of a newborn child. This the coast up. Whatever it is yeah, and we had some momentum going. We're like ones where I was like accounts, private screen shot and then send him to me. Is just like yeah, they're so sticky. I got a whole out of it I've been doing it for year. It crushes because people know. There's just like yeah, there's tomb if you have to like, wipe it down a little bit before we all. We all see your baby, but. Unlike at the hospital, still tie baby pictures like where the baby right? The, yeah, right out patty. It does run the gamut because sometimes there they have been wiped down, but they still look like pained unhappy about being outside the womb which I totally get I look to be in a womb right now. No combine the feeling that you get when you first step out of a warm bath or the shower, and then also like what you look like. If you've been floating in water for days for nine months, you be fee to when neo I arrives into. You'll world. Yes, they made good, okay shape desire villainously. Yeah. No one wants to be photographed in that moment, nobody like let's be respectful of our new babies and just give him a minute, but bow on whatever. I I don't care something. We were just talking before the degree to which you need to like. The part of yourself that as an adult like doesn't like stickiness as a parent is like you just need to work on that daily, because stickiness is a perpetual state from the time they come out of the womb until seventy. Yeah, basically seventeen, they are sticky. Seventeen year olds, stickiness is. But like it evolve it evolve your belongings or sticky. You just need everything to be pleasure and. Yeah. Need to work on it because I will not have children. Nothing more sticky forever. Nice and smooth slippery. Albright slippery. That's gross to. Amy We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. I tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. They are continuing to target Dr Anthony. FAUCI more now than ever before not just because of his first pitch at the end of last week, but Just going after. CDC guidelines are now favoring school reopenings, so we'll talk about how that came about We'll talk about UFO's. We'll talk about what will trump do if he loses the twenty two thousand election, and then we'll talk about these shows the we re watched or watched on Net flicks and my case Hulu. Palm. Springs you guys watched the netflixing in. India matchmaking, so we'll talk about that all that plenty more, but I amy. We like to ask our guest. What is something from your search? History is revealing about who you are, who we are as a culture. I mean I've been looking at a lot of videos of Sam Rockwell dancing. Good Dancer He's an incredible dancer Jack. What are you asking me? Are you as I am not joking kind of dancing. They force him to dance in most of the movies that he's in. and I've been so. My boyfriend's been Outta town for like a month end like shadow to everybody who's been in quarantine alone this whole time because God bless i. don't know how Y'all have done it This is the longest I haven't had sex since I was a baby various leading. And, so I just look at videos of San Rocco dancing. It's your newport. Oh, so hot is the Best Sam. Rockwell dance video like that when you got him favorites. Mean? He played Bob Fossey. Yes not one is really good like down the hallway. There's so many it's very hard to say my mind and Mike was he dancing in teenage mutant. Ninja turtles the first one. I don't think so. Yeah, that's the only role year familiar with right miles. I didn't realize. Oh that's cool to Bob passing. The foot, clan gangly. Like he's he's a legit, really good dancer like a gift today legit gifted dancer Yeah. He moves like gravity doesn't exist on old. Is just. It's the best I'm tomorrow after. What was that one? WHO'S THE DUDE? Was it Fred Astaire who did like the vacuum commercial like later on like in the late eighties early nineties, kids yeah. Yeah. They made a decision. Last Fred astaire decades from now like just sound like Lamm marketing prints like I remember. My grandma like loved the dancing of Sam Rockwell. That guy that old footy and put that in commercial I mean! You is Rockwell. You feel like you have to dance. Because that name, you have to be a breakdown, yeah! Name Rockwell like you have to. You have five rock well. He does and it is. A. Much more flexible than Fred Astaire, which is not a surprise to anybody the same reason we were talking about because. Fred astaire has been dead for many years right? Yeah, not just that. Even if they were both dead. Not Fred Astaire was alive even if they were birthday. Let's just got quality. You know very sexy quality. Yeah, it's cool to find out the hidden gifts of era. Famous overlords Sam Rockwell being a great dancer. Chris Christopher Walken I come Chris because we're good friends Chris Walking. I E CANCER Who who are some other people I guess? Travolta obviously that was. Part of the initial package. by God I. Mean Who do we think of? I'm very. New Miller I was GONNA. Say A lot of people don't realize yeah. Also tweet pain. Chibana. Singer. Great singer great natural singer. And condense, he can do it. All people think he's auto tuned, but no neither man is a the overlap between Sam Rockwell, in t pain. In my heart and loins. Where they overlap is in my dreams at night. Amy, what is something you think is overrated. I gotta say leaving the House like just. And you just relax for second. We got A. WE HAVE entertainment option in the world at our fingertips. Like can you just for we couldn't do it? We couldn't do it for two weeks. On sent like just stay home I mean if you gotTa Work I. Get that, but like if you like stay home, it's nice if you have a home. You're very very very blessed. The socializing thing. Yeah, just some people just have to get out. You know like their whole way of living is like to get out and socialize like the solitude thing. Where like you quickly realize who's truly restored by the solitude and the people who truly need to be around other people to get, I'm realizing more and more like a Mike. I think I'll stay in the shadows for the rest of my life. Necessarily need it, but just like are too afraid to stay I. think a big problem with. This hasn't been about like either my freedoms. I'm going. It's like we don't have an introspective culture like there's nothing scarier than being like a a working American and having to sit alone with your thoughts at home, and your and your personality however horrible it. Maybe he will do that. I love to do that like I. Love to hang out with me. stay home I. Don't know just stay. It's Nice, Draw Bass. You know what I mean. Learn how to roll Sushi. Do something. Stay home. Ads I've been doing. This. They don't look. I would love to see those those early iterations I'll. Picks. UGLIER THAN THE BABY Actually Dosen. Similarly malformed. Justice sticky laugh. Delicious. I? Just got done doing fourteen days inside. My House and I. I didn't need to get out just like not be in the same physical space I just needed to like get in a car and drive to the grocery store. But that was it I didn't need to interact with anybody. It was just I felt like I was on house arrest for four. Wins that new sports bar third. Base going to open up. To hit that place. Equity. SPN classics with the boys or people who are so terrified to lose their job. They have no choice but to come in and deal with patrons like me, who are? Pandemic anyway you know. Yeah. No I mean I meant like on weekdays only like we for the boys you know. The boys go out and hit the sports bar up and then. Do you really small? I was thinking very early on as you know. When la was completely locked down was. Do you think there are people running like illegal like Bro, species? Alec where is that where those investigations? Because you know, right? There's gotta be someone willing to be like dude fuck bar. You've seen my fucking my rec room. Thirty people down I'll get a kid going just pitching and Blah Blah Blah. I just feel like share their card rooms where people are smoking inside and just. Laughing and talking and smoking in a basement. Worn out of like the pandemic where it's like a we just we gotta get it on somehow. I know. Who are doing a somewhat responsible version of that and do it like turning their back yard into a you know like outdoor drive in movie theaters. Objections less pretty dope. Make En- Galea's backyard to watch thorough housewives. Has Been Very restorative, but we stay away from each other and like yeah. Go for a walk of course about. Yeah I just. I just turned the alley behind my house to Casino. I'm just laying CEELO. Garage next door, but you. Hit those head cracks every time on. What is something you think is underrated game. I mean I'm really sorry to do this, but I have to say Sam Rockwell I. It's not just the dancing. He's the most underrated actor of our generation. I think I. Mean it's not that he doesn't get the roles he gets. The roles gets the role. By he doesn't get the credit. I feel like a lot of people don't know his name A lot of people don't put enough respect on his name. He's just he's a dream. He's a true dream and I as I've been obsessed for years, but generally like deep dive into like the Wikipedia, and then did find out. He is from the bay area of course, and he very early on. said that he was never going to have children so or pretty much destined to be together. And yes, watch everything he makes good choices to. It's not that he hasn't been in bad movies, but for the most part he's been in really good movies, and he needs bigger parts your Hollywood fleas, but maybe you know that happens a lot to those kinds of actors who are like I'm not I'm going. Do the ones I wanna do and then I'm sure they get really good parts. Put in front of until. Until I don't think I want to be like in the equivalent of like a will Smith type movie, so I'm not going to do that and then just like well. Then you get these artsy pieces and tried to take you to the top. You didn't WanNa, do it. Yeah, he's an artist. And you know is good because I would never promote a straight white man on this show or in my life. He's Co good. Just, so you know I was just reading this week. A I like how there's this thing that says at age ten. He made a brief stage appearance playing Humphrey Bogart in an East village Improv comedy sketch with his mother on. That's so precious. Uh! MOM LOVES HIS MOM. That's actually how he first came on my radar. Was that performance? Yeah. Ever since yeah, Little Bogart Never. See here about that kid again. Thinking about a ten year old boy playing Humphrey. Bogart is one of the cutest things that I've ever imagined. Can you imagine like people were in tears in that audience because it like it transcended sketch comedy like it's something about this young man's depiction of Humphrey. That really got it it. It's spoke directly. How comfortable! He looked smoking. Those cigarettes was just. Amazing. Align. Waiting. Child into combat, okay, can you give me either your number one or like number like one and one? A performances slash movies that he's been in teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. I love I love him in choke as much as I'm angry at every second of my life that I spent reading Chuck Palahniuk Books I wished I could have all that time back. And just go back in time and realize that it's not for me, and it was never for any girl to read ever He's so good in choke. He's so good in that movie. There's a lot of sex in it or Enjoy watching him do. Though. Also dancing I I think he's forced to dance and everything But yeah it's. I think that might be my top. There's so many to choose from. Love True Hunch. Great as George W, Bush and vice. So good! Must not forget as unions turtles. We forget. How shoot where we forget. It is what it is, but. Also, that can't be true. It's not the only film you know. You've seen him in many many things but like. Teenagers, Attorney One thousand nine hundred. File it away. Hogue playing April O'Neil I mean talk about someone who's really underrated I mean she really should have had a career I'm really. Yeah! He's not in secret of US know. He's just in the I know he was just like dislike. Cigarette smoking like Ruffy Guy who is like recruiting like wayward teens to be part of the foot claims. One of his first movies. Amy What is a myth with something people think is true. You know to be false or vice versa. I was talking to my mom about this last weekend. And I think the the myth of You can't change a man. So, stupid like of court. Of course we can change. Why don't you guys you've been changed by women pretty? Langley. That's the thing is. You can't change a man who has no willingness or openness to like. I think love. Be With somebody. If you're really good at it, you can yeah, you could, but I feel like I've done. I. Think I've done the kinds of work out of the kinds of shit were maybe somebody that you can't change a man because I love somebody and I realized I'm like Oh. Yeah, like it's not just they're saying. I'm wrong or something, but like I can do better and in this relationship I can move to a higher plane through that yes. Oh, for sure and also like. Let's be real on a superficial level. Oh my God how quickly I've changed because someone was like. Do you like Harry Potter? Potter hardcore? Entertainment. Anymore we're not allowed to fuck with. CMS WHY I was on the way before anybody. Clothing that house decorations. You know like all the decor. Yeah, there's so many things that are so easily changed. Oh yeah, I, mean yes, I! I actually haven't heard that myth them so. They. You can't change your man. I don't think so I. Don't know why it's on my mind. Because I've been thinking about Sam Rockwell not wanting to have children so much. I also don't want our children, but I wanNA have his and I'm a I'm like working. I Mike Working on it. Oh, okay, so hold on you, just you. Your policy shifted quite dramatically. You went from I. Want to be childless to the only reason I am on this earth, potentially to procreate is because of Sam Rockwell. Rockwell's babies. We would both have to change our minds with I. Feel like I could I could do it. You know I can change. I can change any man. Truly! Yeah, that like is that. Is that coffee with enough rope and ether I mean anything. Along. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. Hey Miles Me Jack yeah out here outside your window in this in this plant yet you see what I was searching on my computer. 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They've done everything to like sidelining him to like. Him. Stand Click further away from the microphone, so he doesn't say something competent and juxtaposed that with the president being like. Yeah, he just. If you just hit a bunch of myself through a rag in your mouth, you can get a pretty whacky high. and He's been smeared. There was like that Navarro piece, and just you know the only thing he's doing is speaking the truth from his perspective as an expert because he actually gives a fuck. If people lose their lives in a preventable way, and because of that all of this friction with the with the right means that now he's really like becoming the enemy of like the corona doubting crowds because. Because, he says shit like recently, he was asked. What do you think about a potential end of the pandemic in how we can start moving into some sort of you know forward rather than just like utter chaos phase, and he says quote I certainly don't think we're near the end of this If you look at what's going on in the United States, that's for sure, and he says unequivocal. He's saying that very honestly because you look at what's going on a comparatively, we're not doing the. We're not testing like how we need to be. We're not containing how he needs to be no contact tracing, and it's that sort of honesty that is now making him like an a legitimate target of violent threats that his family him and his family are now under a security detail because. It's gone past like person that you know in the culture wars. The right were getting angry at Tonelli. People are making like apparently legitimate enough threats that he has security detail. Yeah, and you know this is. The we talked before about how people had noticed that there was a security detail at his house wasn't about it, but he told CNN then the last week that they're getting. Serious threats on their lives and I mean this is pretty easy to understand because the president's followers. Are you know the Cunanan set who threatened peoples lives constantly. And have made serious. You know in one case killed a mobster because. John told them to and just threatened. Peoples lives all the time based on. You know wild. Conspiracy theories, and the he's. He said he's gone through similar sort of harassment when he was sort of the focal point during HIV, AIDS epidemic, and but when he said when he's like sort of reflecting on now, he says it's really a magnitude different now because of the amount of anger as much as people inappropriately I think. Make me somewhat of a hero, which I'm not a hero I'm just doing my job. There are people who get really angry. Thinking I'm interfering with their life because I'm pushing a public health agenda and when you think of how. What the takes are coming out of the conservative media. Biosphere trashes fear. On Sinclair Broadcasting you know where they have all kinds of shows that are syndicated to millions of people in this country. They have people like the plan. DEMOC woman who's in that documentary Judy, Mike Ovett's who is like a disgraced researcher. She's out here saying stuff like this on television right now and not getting checked. This is her on Sinclair. Basically saying like being asked like so, what do you think Dr Vouches? Hand is in all of this pandemic. Leave Doctor Pal has Manufactured the Corona viruses in monkey cell lines and ship them from in paid for unshipped the cell lines to Wuhan China now for at least since two thousand and four change a published that act in funded the studies that were published in two thousand in Boca. So that's something that's being said out loud on broadcast, television! When is Falcons? Just GonNa go full rogue, and like quit his job, and then say whatever the fuck. He wants such a hard position. I think all these health experts are. It's like yeah, could and then I. Just know it's going to cause more problems for me like it. Clearly the people who are willing to believe me I can say what I need to, and they understand. There's other people every time I open my mouth. It makes my position more untenable. I mean there's such a mass exodus of a lot of experts already because of this administration especially now we're like I. Don't know what good I am either way because I'm telling people what needs to be done I'm just being harassed or just shouted out. But that foul. That it didn't end there because Larry Klayman who is another lawyer who is like warns Judicial Watch and I believe is suing the Chinese like in Texas because of saying like they did this to us. The China virus. He's also on this show and he was asked like okay well. This host who is like what's an Eric Bowl bowling who was used to be on Fox? But he was fired he doesn't push back at all. Just as okay so you're from your opinion as a like a lawyer, would you think this is the beginning of what Larry claiming? His saying on the heels of this woman, saying like he manufactured the virus or looking at possible Rico case Eric, and we're analyzing that right now, but what appears happened is Chinese. Got That virus and we know that three point seven million dollars was given a grant during the Obama Administration to that will laboratory that's not in dispute, and the Chinese engineered it into a bio weapon. So what happened here? Okay, so yeah, he's talking about who is. Larry claiming. He's a lawyer. He is just a just a absolute gem. From crazy. Ask Me. As the southern poverty law center calls him a pathologically litigious attorney. He's sued the Iran Supreme Leader and even his own mother. That's not even a joke. That's like part of this whole like first sentence describing him so. He's talking about hidden, you know they fuck around and caught a rico. I guess with this Wuhan thing like for the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act. That's used to take down the mop. That's and so he is saying. This is akin to this group. There's clearly an organized group here who he's saying. Are the the people who are in charge of this and everything he said has been so thoroughly debunked from like his whole three point seven million that that figure was like less than one million that he's actually referring to, and then the very low, also to like yet people in your own country, sick and dead. Million Yeah. Y-. The people would notice otherwise, so they're just. You know seeding it with small investments. Because, you know I. It's got to be a long long term plan. You get it though this part of the population has spun off so far from you know the reality it's. It's really what just so you know. I think again with any conspiracy theory anything. It's always a group of people who feel powerless who need an easy way to explain their powerlessness. Like can't just be well I. Don is too much of a civics lesson. Understand like what are you time lower system known like they plan this right some evil like 'cause talk to me and movie speak their ramble in an evil laboratory. Who made this right? And then they shipped it. That's how it worked. Worked and then they did that too okay. I like that better. It's like that's who this appeals to someone who's completely unwilling to really examine that something like this could occur but then there's also you know everything. There's also plenty of evidence to show that people have been willing like beep. The government has infected people for like experimental reasons, and there's like little threads of history. You can tug on to begin to you know. Try and pull yourself into this, but it's just so so dangerous in despicable when we're like. We're also talking about schools and we have TV stations broadcasting this nonsense. Yeah. So the CDC has now shifted their policy to say that they're going to open schools We're just saying that that wasn't the or or that they it's a possibility right. Yeah, it's definitely. They're saying like look if you got opening these guidelines and they also make the case that yes, it is important like schools are yes undeniably important to like you know your your well being your your educational formation It said that you know they're talking about the harm. That could lead to having schools closed for too long quote. It can lead to severe learning loss in the need for in person, instruction is particularly important for students with heightened behavioral needs. And then they're saying like the schools are also essential because they get food, mental health care speech, language therapies things that are just specific to school, and they say that more just to make like the broad case that like yes, having a school open is a good thing, but then they're also like talking about you know what would happen in like an actual pandemic like that. They're saying. Hey, if you're in a community where it's bad, you should close up, so it's this both sides thing that you see the CDC having to do because trump gets angry when they're like. Don't spit straight facts like say. Schools are good if they open, but then be like, but then I think for them, as scientists are saying like obviously, if there's real bad transmission like a high rate of transmission in that community like you're probably want to second guess, it says it but feels. Anyone actually given a shit about schools or public schools in particular. It's like all the sudden y'all are pretending like this is a high priority when it's never been something that's been valued, and again as we discuss kids, you cannot stop them from being sticky. They're gonNA. Be Sticky and they're gonNA. Stick Corona virus to their bodies and then. Take home. Yeah, two adults who are susceptible to it and it's like yeah, you cannot. You can't keep kids away from each other. You can't keep kids from sharing germs. It's just they're disgusting. I'm sorry Jack. No logic is like they're saying. It's like your kids. It's like they make up for less than a tenth of a percent of fatal cases, only seven percent of overall so like in a way like they're fine, but it's such a weird thing for this like you'd think just in John's like your like nobody's putting. Their kid at risk like does is not on the table like it shouldn't. Be. Though plenty of people will. That's the thing because out of necessity out of necessity, also out of just not believing science, but yeah, he left to go to work like I get it, and it is so valuable to have your kid in a regular school. We don't want a whole generation of home schooled freaks. I mean. Weird Mormon children. No. It's not going to be good but I think. For six months or a year like? We can do. We can figure it out. Yeah. I mean I totally identify with the parents who want their kids to go back to school. It is the difference between person school, learning and zoom learning for a four year old is. Like, it's just impossible to get a four year old to engage with a lesson. That's happening on zoom. But, at the same time like we you have to do what is best for the health of the community and yeah, you have to I. Don't know like that. It's also a thing where American capitalism is sort of forcing people's hands, because we don't have a social safety net to that is there for people who end just overall culture that is there to be like? No, it's okay. If you need to Lester job, time off were even if you don't lose your job if you need to take time. Off from your job to hold on you. Man Ray you get four weeks. Right, Odin it. All right. If you're toting, we'll give you a couple of months. It's like and there's really A. I mean we do have a lot of out of work for Comedians and performers that can provide child care, which is great for me of because I do know for the next year. There's going to be solid work. Opportunities with parents at just want to not look at their children or each them shit for day. The next generation of teachers were making us laugh this whole time. I can get it. I can get a four year old to engage with this lesson on. Like weeks. Like you do a I was teaching them, but. The whole time they were teaching me. I mean this is. The next dangerous minds. For. Thank, you hiddink. Michelle five for that so? coolio in this one. The whole thing that they did a poll recently of teachers and the teachers right the people who know more than anyone like they're the people who are actually day-to-day like you know raising and educating our kids. They obviously know the value of what it means to be in person to teach, but even when they're asked fifty seven percent of these survey, teachers said they were very concerned about exposure, eighteen percent moderately, only twenty, five twenty five percent, said that they were either not too concerned or not concerned at all about being exposed to the virus, and it's interesting because there is also another poll showing that a twenty five percent of teachers also thought the civil war was fought over labor loss so either way. I think it seems like people to maintain remote learning. Three fourths of teachers said they would prefer to work remotely so even that crowd that's like. Remote spying there is there is a scarily significant chunk of the population that has now just completely disconnected from just come unattached from reality. And it's been happening. It's been brewing in the background for a long time. Trump exacerbated it. The Cunanan conspiracy is exacerbating it, but the fact that trump still has forty percent approval. All forty percent of those people have to believe to some degree that he is right when he says. It's being exaggerated. That it! They're probably open to the idea that found. She and Obama were like manufacturing it like all these just wild conspiracies, and that brings me to this story that was in the Houston. Chronicle noted Socialists Zine the Houston Chronicle. About what is going to happen when trump? Doesn't admit that he's lost the two thousand twenty election if he if he loses it. Because, this is. Sort of a groundswell of concern among legal scholars. Experts we've been saying for years that Michael Cone pointed out in his testimony before Congress the trump. You won't get him out of the White House, unless he's in handcuffs like he's not going to leave on his own accord and a bunch of legal scholars. Are you know? Summer saying scoffing at the idea, and saying surely he will be forced out by the uproar that will. Come Out, but they're also. Marches right right. And have you seen the? Have you seen their response to an actual pandemic? That is actually killing people around them like that. It's not just the media saying the thing it's there is saying the thing that disagrees with what trump is saying and they're still not willing to buy into it. What makes you think that they're going to be like? Yeah, but now the new. York Times says that trump lost this election like he is. You know it's just so easy to imagine the scenario where it's close like within five percentage points and he you know some people are pointing, pointing out that it takes longer to count the mail in votes, which will be If a if still. Early for trumper is he's leading by a little bit. He could just declare it a that. He won that state and declare that he won the election before the. Blue correction comes in is what it's being called. There's. It's just one hard for him to get out of there. There's so many stairs involved brin. We know like stairs. Yeah, I'm really excited to get back to the fucking hanging chads. Wasn't that a good time? Raw. Chats the. This is I feel like this election is going to make us a really miss the hanging Chads, because this is going to be. That was at least a time when both sides were like okay. Whoever wins this legal battle? We the other side will concede, and that was agreed on, and that's what happened But I guess that's the other thing is. I'm curious to know how many people in Congress be defect when it gets to that point I mean let's look at what has happened in the past like. Let's look at how they've responded to the Ukraine scandal. Let's look at how they've responded to corona virus. Like everybody's too scared of him to contradict him, because if he does stay in power, there's somebody. Is. There seemed to be some things right. We're like Lick Liz. Cheney broke like from trump like on certain things like FAO g, there are certain things certain issues for some people like McConnell couldn't say like you know heads or tails, other certain items that trump has pitched out there I guess just to seemingly seem like there's a level of normalcy there, but. I think at the end of the day. There's a lot of things that I feel like the P.. His supporters are going to be the people that are actually going to cause a disruption I'm not sure how much you know like. If the military says, yeah were with trump like based on, and even though the the you know, the exchange of power has to happen on the twentieth of January how many people go. Yeah, that's true like this is all bullshit. We don't care what y'all say like trump. Trump is president I think the real. The chaos factor comes from the supporters who are armed and have been saying like there. Is that Alex Jones clip from very early in the presidency when they were looking into the Russia gate stuff that if you try to come for trump's power, like get ready for the streets to run red with your blood like that. That's been what they've been saying his supporters since day. One I just don't think we're in for. A more terrifying scenario than like I think people are still covering this lake. It's going to be an election. And not like it's going to be just utter chaos and just. To See our our. Institutions completely under attack and you know with like it's going to be really existential. This election is going to be an existential. Threatening Crisis for American democracy like I think there's I would be surprised if that didn't happen. Even if he leaves willingly in January I, I have night I am like kept up at night. Thinking about what happens between November and January you know what I mean like that alone is like so scary to me. That lame duck period. Yeah. Well. It's It's GonNa. Be I think it's the same thing right like in two sixteen per like. There's no way some racist like fucking. This guy's GonNa fucking win like an actual politician and people oil. And I think maybe that could be the thing people aren't. This is the new dimension of it that people aren't willing to see. It's like. Of course he's, he's not GonNa go that far and say. Alison L. I think trump even knows that he's. He's GonNa take the L. on the chin, and just keep it moving, and I think yeah, that's going to be the hard thing. To Watch. Yeah I mean the Democrats are now saying that they need to win in a landslide for like they're like well. That's why we need to win in a landslide. That can't be the solution that nobody's won a landslide in six presidential elections like and now the Democrats are going to see everything from like a five per cent victory down to trove that that I, that is mostly the for the optic, so his narrative can't catch. Hold more than like. That's the solution because either way like it's Biden, are at like he's already got like. Hundreds of lawyers already signed up and tens of thousands of people who are going to be a polling places to try and like. Stay on top of everything, but they even know to like they already can tell that he's probably gonNA. Try and certify results that like from a like not the actual secretary of state. That's probably the party's results and submit those. It's GONNA be. It's GonNa. Be All kinds of bullshit so I. Think Yeah just. They're just GONNA. 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Doesn't like really ruin anything, and it has like a enough lonely island in it that it's like got some really really funny scenes that, but it's also like. Their most mainstream movie like. Long Chunks without like a a big joke. Solid laugh and it's totally okay like. Dance routine is awesome. Yes. Coordinated dance routine scenes. This year old like when he's walking through the wedding. That and also when they show up at the Bar Ilan stand. There like in it. Yeah right right right. I pull up yeah yeah. All right. Yeah I did too. I highly recommended way so I mean I. I haven't seen to do the trailers or anything. Give anything away about it. Like people are seeing the graphic that they just know, it's Andy Sandberg and a Hulu Movie Palm Springs we love. We Love Love Love in this culture right now. Twenty twenty, a photo of someone floating in a pool. Over. Overhead full pick. Floaty is like a very pervasive image I think that's like enough to sell something now. Yeah, yeah, right? There's little hints that like when I went back and looked at the poster I was like they did this, and that's why the pool is very long. So almost looks infinite. So that. Now and Shit. It's just a big pool. That's all I'm saying big. Ends. I can watch in any. So goodness going. This character pulled up the first time I was. I was truly like okay. What? You said. And the last time that his character appears like are so epic. Good. Alright, but let's talk about what I. Actually here to hear US talk about and that is. Matchmaking. Amy Indian matchmaking I've only seen the first two episodes, but I I'm like I'm fucking this whole thing up. When avid chance I'm watching every bid, it's I. Think I really love it, too. Because you were so used to seeing like reality shows like this that are so centered around like Western cultures that I'm like Yes for like like now like the media like the way, people are developing shows like someone just went to college. There's other countries we can talk about two, and it sounds like people like it, so let's do this more now. I watch Netflix show about dating of a sales added a dating on the spectrum or something. Love on the spectrum like any. Any group trying to find love date like I will watch that show no headway. People like we've. We've reached peak romance content yes. Mention out. We know how it goes shots shots. That's every first day on those shows, so yeah, the cell but I can't I and I hate. I hate to bash a woman at anytime, but like Aparna. No, okay, you're so mean and rude there so this so this show right is about this woman. Seema, who is just like she is the fucking matchmaker. Okay, like she. She's got clients across the globe like what you need what you want. Want. Let me put these marriages together and again. You know they're showing that in Indian culture. There are love marriages where people like you know like what I think. Most people are used to meeting on your own, and then you have your relationship, and then you get married there or these other marriages that are arranged, but the people still have the ability to sue thumbs up or down the partner. That's put in front of them. And that's the more traditional way, and so she goes around, and she consults with these different Indian. People from around the world they could be a Mumbai could be in Houston they could be a new. Jersey anywhere and just started being like okay. So, what are you looking for? What's your mom looking for? Okay, let me let me see what I have in. My ROLODEX set something up. This woman Aparna from Houston which he showed up, it was so funny because I. Remember on Twitter Aparna. His name kept coming up in people's tweets. Now's wooded apartment on Shirley do. Like. Like. Aparna you'll do like a is bullshit or something like. Oh, no, what's going on and I only connected it as I watch this okay. This is what they're talking about. And Yeah, she's she's got I. Think it's like what's interesting. Is that you realize no matter? The culture people have the same fucking hangups that prevent them from like actually meeting people that could for them because they have this self created identity that there have to adhere to without giving any kind of flexibility to like. Something different could be good for me. He's gotTa Lotta walls up and I. don't even know how she has like. Close friends, she's got those two good friends that they've clearly been friends since like high school or whatever it's like. Oh Eastern, putting up with her bullshit for this many years, she nags. That's the whole is like she read the game. To do that as a woman and it is just not cute, she is so mean. So it is the, and then we learn about like I didn't realize the other thing is like it's educational. Right because I I knew sort of as a like conceptually about how marriage works in Indian- things like that, but when you start getting into the jargon, like how much strategy matters how? Man Read Her star. Like. Miserable to be around on the stars. The Stars told me you're too negative. Unlike bitch, we all know. I didn't have to look at the stars. The Bio data though I love how when I first heard her mention that was on my God like they don't play like it must have like ekg's. There's like that. fucking word document with a thumbnail of like a head shot by. It's a not bio technical like I was definitely. I'll what? What would your bio data Jamie well, it's funny. The number of those dudes that like do mention comedy, either performing it or loving, it or prodcuts. PODCAST far, no was straight up like I hate comedy and I don't want anyone funny and I hate being with someone who has a sense of humor. In the trailer? She's like you know a hit comedy. The. Strange. Bio Data could look okay. You know what I mean like. I went to a good school I have a fun job. Not In the last six months, the bio data has really tanked. What's your? What's your quarantine bio data look like? Are Your. Roles Bad Sushi. Not really gives it the effort. Photos of newborns, we. Time. There's a lot of comedy on zoom you know. It was weird though I realized how much like I sort of? Sort of flippantly look at podcasting, too. 'cause like I saw the one guy thing mention, he's a podcast or in like I rolled. My eyes and I'm like motherfucker. That's you. That's also true, but as weird. How I had the reaction of like. The quote, unquote, a normal person, or how people talk about podcasts and I was like Yeah Damn, he should be doing else. Is a real job. I think a if you like love, and you want to see something new It's banned the fucking weddings. I still need to go to I've never been to an Indian wedding. I've only worked in Indian wedding. I would love to be on the other side of that where I could actually participate rather than like making heat transferred t shirts that I did at one Indian wedding and a company to work for a printing like newlywed merch for the guests as they leave on my. Yes, so I can put this on a tote. A T shirt. Or like this. Sticker. Western where, but that was like my. That's how like next level the thing was and when I see all these weddings I'm like damn weddings to man remember. There's a lot of all the way to the wedding. I haven't seen WANNA go follow. The wedding there is a wedding at the end, but we're not at the end I've like two episodes left, but I also love the like when Harry met Sally thing, they do at the beginning where they do have like older couples. That were marriages that they're still. Together for thirty years, and they select flirt a little bit, but there also a Kinda hate each other I'm kind of curious. How this matchmaker would do like if I was in that position like if I was like yeah, you know I'm just kind of looking for a black unease. Somebody who gets you don't have to explain too much like we both get it. you know, and then like likes we'd and Arsenal is that it is can. Find anything she's incredible. You saw the one girl as I go where from. Guyana Guyana, but we're Indian nobody ever thinks for Indian Found, another Indian person from. At. By Me I. also love so I love the way those Netflix dating shows are shot like it's beautiful. Even the like dating around I love like level on the spectrum. They just look good i. just watch with it. Dating around is shot like a film like eats cinematic all the cinema. It's very cinematic. Weird. It is, and it's like a Charlie Kaufman film like. Someone will turn the corner and then the net, and then the next shot. It's like a different than you like. Oh Shit like I love it. I love it. I Love I. Hope they do every possible. Race of people every fringe group every condition like I. I. Think Yeah, just just take me on a journey of new, culture. Responsibility WE'RE GONNA. Get black unease dating on Netflix any day with your host miles gray. Reality Show from inside China like would the Chinese Government make that? They probably wouldn't allow it to. Imagine. I guess they really good articles about like social scenes and dating scenes of young people, yeah, the documentaries I've seen or like you like the rap game in China right now. That had been really interesting, but yeah I guess you probably have to do a pretty surp- tissue and like just be like now. We're just shooting stuff. Then take that footage and then cut it together. Like don't know they're too busy. Creating viruses to kill Americans fighting up with Dr. Yeah! With the WHATEVER LINING STOMACH LINE! God stay home. How many of the people on the the India matchmaking have ill defined professions like entrepreneur and Dental assistant, they come through. Now, they got legit jobs. Like who looked like eighteen and she's like I just became a veterinarian. Are So young. There's one guy who's a teacher. Have you seen the teacher yet? Because he oh, okay? Yeah, he's sweet. He's like A. Schoolteacher Austin and he's I think like for sure has done some open mics. I've seen him before. But I was watching with a friend, and they were just immediately like something happened with this man's dad mouse, like what and just like straight out of the gate was like he is this way because his dad did something wrong and left, and then five episodes later he's like. My Dad killed someone and went to jail as a child I'm like policies. See that 'cause he just like skittish. You know who saw that. The Front I. I was watching this. Oh, does she? Does this person want to podcasts? Yeah? They love to just reading from reality clips like. Did. You know what happens the civically to this man i. need you to come with me is in my life like if I ever did again until me like Oh. This is what happened to him. I cannot to that man. There's something. Amy. It has been so wonderful as always having. Especially that second act that was a that was a blast I'm sure. You end everyone. Talking about how we're all GONNA. Die Soon. Where can people find you? Follow you and enjoy you experience you. Follow me on instagram. Amy Miller comedy. Twitter is just. Amy Miller. I got it and then you know I don't have any dates or anything, but I am. A little secret. This is a hot. This is a hot topic. AM shooting my first comedy special next week. very weird thing to do right now, but we're doing it. I can't say anything more about it, but it's come in thirty minutes Amy Miller. Like, that I can't tell you anything. I saw someone else I saw. Yeah, there's some cool I've Seen People T. Shit happening. Yeah, we distance comedy specials. Like the whole audience getting tested Yeah it's GonNa. Be Fun, but yeah, follow me and. Listen to my podcast. Who's God that I do was see Hernandez, who also is a blow a favorite guy. and. I've even been on that show. So if you want hear about my lack of relationship with God checkout episode Oh Yeah, you were. You were great We're still doing it or it's a hundred and fifty. Hundred Fiftieth episode today. Talking about God is that's a lot of times to do it, and we love it, and it's very funny in check it out. Is there a tweet or some other active social media that you've been enjoying? Okay, so yes, so you have to see James Austin Johnson's trump impression is fucking crazy. Good, it is truly the best trump impression I've ever seen. It's so funny. He really nails like I didn't realize until I saw James do this like trump. Just like never like closes his mouth like his teeth. Never touch. You know what I mean. Stop this space like open space in his. It's so crazy good. I watched it twenty times last night I did re tweet recently like one of his video? So if you go to my twitter James Johnson so funny. He'd is a great trump and he doesn't great. Louis, C. K. and I think those are. Very beloved people? Should be on SNL yesterday. Soga air favorite redheads. Yes, he's a ginger to whenever Austin Johnson's gender I didn't realize the teeth never touching thing, either until you just said that, and then I did it with my mouth, and I look like trump when I do it so. Weird Miles. Where can people find you? Follow you and what's tweet? You've been enjoying You can find me on twitter and Instagram at miles of gray, and also on my other podcasts four twenty day, fiance just talking about ninety day, fiance, you know that other just seminal show that bridges the the gaps between countries. For Twenty, four For wheat. No. I, love, to grass. And then. There's a tweet from. 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Sam Rockwell

Life is Short with Justin Long

1:02:41 hr | 2 years ago

Sam Rockwell

"There's a theater festival in Massachusetts called Williamstown. It attracts a lot of wealthy Manhattan. Nights were vacationing, and I was driving around once with Sam Rockwell and Philip Seymour Hoffman. I had this farting app. I played it into my speakers. And I would crank it up. I would stop and ask these wealthy people and khakis and salmon shirts where, you know, the theater was, and they would say I think it's over and they started raising their voices to give this directions over the farts. It's, it's you turn left here. Rarely have I heard two people laugh as hard as film San we're laughing in the backseat obviously, they had ducked down. You know, if these people had seen them, they would have seen two of America's greatest actors cracking up over farts. Life. Good. From wondering this is Justin long. And you are listening to life assured. Dreamed sweetheart. Here is always with my brother Christian. Yes. Hello, everybody, man. A man that I've known for thirty seven years. I don't know why it's so weird to me that you referred to a man. I don't think I've never literally came out of my mouth. Ever referred to. But I don't know why it's weird because I'm certainly thanks, a man when I think of a man. Yeah. Not all men have to be manly mister clean. That's what you think of a man like a lumberjack like a shiny cartoon. Ball. I understand your masculinity. Okay. I'm not a manly men. But I'm a man regardless surprise that you referred to me. Never called me a man. I know. I don't think it myself as a man. This is a much bigger problem. So every week we're gonna unravel problems like this. So this very special interview was actually the very first one, we recorded. So we'll always hold a special place in our hearts, Sam someone that we chose is the first guest because of how well we know him and how comfortable we are with him. And we thought that would be much easier and comfortable. Osama's also been a part of he was in the first movie I did. He was in the first professional player. He he Christian. I wrote a movie a couple years ago and he was in that. I mean he's been part of your first sexual experience. Right. That's right. He was in my first fivesome Sam has been a friend of mine. A very dear friend of mine for over cheese over twenty years now, and he was kind enough to do this, obviously, before was a show before. It was a thing at all. And so he didn't have to do it. He's now at a point in his career where he can do anything he wants and. I just really appreciate it him coming on. And he showed up looking very gaunt and bald you hadn't seen him in the end scene. So he was shooting Fosse Verdon on FX. So I was immediately thrown off by how different he looked like you said, he looked like I don't know. He like he always looks a little bit like a bird. He just looked like a thinner bird, like a plucked. He looked very pluck Heine, but he always looks different. I mean, that kind of made sense to me that, oh he's playing. Bob Fossey in this thing. And he looks like a totally different person. That's what he does. He's a he's the chameleon. I know to use it. But it applies. It really does apply. Now can't wait. As friend for many reasons I can't wait till he plays like Mario batali or somebody because he's come comeback story or his demise story. I don't cover everything in the battalion bio pic, but it'll be fun to watch them. Eat a lot and to end to just see him as a as a hedge. Person. And so the difficulty in interviewing him was that so much of what we share is personnel is kinda like nights out and drinking and, you know, my perspective is that I've, I've been out with you guys. And I've seen people come up to you and kind of treat you like a zoo animal. And, and like a piece of me, you're the guy from waiting. You're going to get a picture, and they're kind of, like hostile aggressive sometimes. And then and then with him. They're like, I'm sorry. On a huge fan of your work. Keep on, on providing the world with your art, you know and with you. It's like selfie. So he's tussling my hair. Yeah. He's always been he's, I would say he's always been like a quota who'll respected, obviously, gifted actor. But now it's weird in the last year or two since he's, he's become mainstream award winning Oscar-winning, good actor, which, so we're gonna talk to him about that, if that how change a testament to his character, and who he is, as a person as, as a friend is that he from my perspective has remained unchanged throughout all of this, all the hoopla, you know, all the words stuff, and now becoming, like our Gary Oldman, great. And he's spoiler alert. He's great and Verdon about fussy the famous choreographers from the fifty sixty seventies and we'll talk about his career his whole career from boxing moonlight. 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This this guy down at the this this, Jim, I he's he started. He says we should bring bull drive back. I didn't know if it was ever there, but I like it. I didn't know thing ever, I like let's make it thing. What is it mean bowl gel bull? Roar like bullshit. Yeah. Like bullshit, but bowl curse on this, right? Yeah. Okay. I'm getting the thumbs up. I dunno by like it. Giannis anything. Seventies, my mom the other day said you're so excited, your ass is gonna water. She said, it's really good. I liked there is that even me I don't know. And I said to her, what I said that very thing. What does that mean? She's like, you know that's the thing used to sail the time. I've never I never heard those words together. And she said it's our Cassidy, like, oh yeah I'm so excited. My ass is gonna water. It's amazing. I she said, you know, like you have the runs what does that mean? I never thought of having a watery asses thing. But I've known you for about twenty years, and I guess, Mony years more than twenty. Yeah. It'll be twenty this year APRIL's. No, it'll be twenty galaxy quest we shot in the fall. What was it at twenty twenty years fall of nineteen ninety nine summer of nineteen ninety nine. So what? That's when I heard people talking about, you remember on the way to set, you know, of course, to Malan and Sigourney Weaver, where people that I knew, but I remember hearing your name and actors, I just dropped out of school. So I was around a lot of young actors and Vasser at Vassar. Yeah. So I, but I so everybody was kind of talking about you. And, but I was, of course, excited to see Sigourney Weaver and big stars end. And you were the one guy on the set that really took me on your wing, and I could relate to. And we would we became pals, but, but close enough in age right that it was. Yeah. That it was cool. It was like it made sense. Yeah. Also, I wasn't I didn't know you then and then I got to know you and then we did a play about a year later and during that time I watched boxing, moonlight and lawn dogs and safe men, and I really I became a fan. So we were friends initially. And then I wanted to know all these things that I guess I never asked you. So now I can ask you when you did box of moonlight. Would you say that was the first was that the first the, the moment that you felt like now I can be an actor? And I'm no longer. Yeah. That was the one of the first jobs after delivering burritos on a bicycle I guess those. No, I didn't work because in New York. And I again, this car accident, I missed up my hand and we were waiting for the money. And I was his did. I was doing restaurant jobs starting to do more commercials and movies, and I was starting to get work episodic law and order, and I waited a long time for them to get the financing. Get John two zero. Yeah. That, yeah, that let the jury and Tom moves, so Rubik, and that led to safe men and that led to lawn dogs. Okay. I was gonna do G I Jane, and I dropped out of the boot camp because it was just getting just I just had to get out of there and it was intense boot camp. It was in well, it's fun actually, but I was at that time, very skinny had no body fat. And there we were in the water, and I was like, I was just I just couldn't handle the cold was just couldn't handle the water. And I was like, oh, this is going to suck was for a long time. I miss my girlfriend at the time Sereda and, and are those parts are they appealing in to you? I mean war films. Yeah, I not really, I don't find with a bunch of dudes really en- getting month month Zuma's revenge. I mean I like. Hanging out with a bunch of dudes, but I don't love travelling. I'm not a big how are you a big traveler? Yeah. Trove I like the gypsy lifestyle, like living out. I like it less now than I did. When I was in my twenties that was, what if you go to Austrailia, it's got to be a good part? Right. It's get so many South Africa. You like. Yeah. You doesn't matter what we'll see if it were a war film. And you think like I just imagine you wait around for like three weeks. And then you do. Yeah. At day where you're like. Get down and. Yeah, Phil Phil Steve's on and I used to joke about this. Red line Phil Steve Zahn, and we were all up for that. And I remember Phil said he said, yeah, I don't know about that one. Like if you show up for that one, you wanna go all the way like you wanna have a big you wanna really you wanna be every frame, when I met, Justin, he did the most amazing fil, Hoffman impersonation, and Mark Wahlberg. And but unites and I made him do it in front of Phil at a Mexican restaurant. We'll Elkin Padre after we saw what was that short movie saw deep blue sea. We saw deep blue sea. So this. Yeah. You I didn't know anyone really in LA and you invited me out a simple thing now. But like you say, hey, man. You were adorable. You wanna go see I was eager I was like I'll be a good friend. You were so star struck by Phil, 'cause you had just who unites. Yeah, I was I was with Phil. And Phil was God, too. He was he really was and he still is. And you committee. He still is. He's our. He's our guy. Yeah. Yeah, but I remember when he showed up that day and you didn't really give any warning he was wearing like a I think it was wearing Allman brothers band. I remember it really clearly movie at the cinema ram. I think you said as you often do because you're not a name you'll drop. You don't drop names like this. Fame's. Are you just like? Well, he only when you're on podcast, but you're like my friend Phil is coming, you know, and I and I had to kind of get it out of you that and I freaked out and when he showed up Phil Hoffman holy shit. It was like he was a guy who. Yeah. I looked up to and all that. And we went to see this movie. It's kind of a dumb movie that shark movie, and Tim Allen was laughing, you know, and then fill would laugh, every time Tim laughed. It was so I found myself, just watching film Tim, and they were making other laugh because they're laughing at how bad it was. That's right. And then yeah, you're right. We went out to Elkin Padre afterwards and Sam to the thing that you do with me often, which is set me up for impressions, which I love doing, and you had me do it for Phil. And when I first and I was too, I was too chicken shit to do it when you first did it. When you said I fill at you. He does a great impression you. It's awesome. My god. It's so yes. So, okay. So the, the, the film pression was, yeah. I do remember what it was. It was is Mark Wahlberg and him in. But, you know it was that scene where he gets the car fill gets the car and he wants to impress Sigler. He ends up crying in the car. So, you know, when I talk in idiot. But when, when you so good, I remember when I did it. I, I was afraid to do it first, and then we were drinking so much to Keeler. To the point where I just I launched into it on solicited. I remember you rely, I came out of nowhere. And I was just like all right. I'll do it do it and I started I started the impression court or like I would miss you. Stonefaced wasn't he was at the table was laughing and Phil was kinda stone, face and years later. He claims he claimed he wasn't he, he said, I thought it was funny. But at the time I remember him saying that's just me from boogie nights. That's talk. And then I, I to redeem myself remember doing 'cause fill is very close to he's very close to Ted LeVine, variance. I same register shoe gripping fan person, put the lotion Levin in of the land, or is it Levin all the time. Ted LeVine, sisal Bunin others things. I have I've worked with him. I'm trying to think. I mean a little bit. I'd have to go back. I saw a movie called Georgia with Jennifer Jason Leigh, and he I saw right after silence of the lambs, and he plays like a very kind of like been nine stay at home, dad right part, and it's so creepy. These got lines shit at you like you're listening. I put junior Janina because she didn't eater desert. And, and Tommy was able to I read them a bedtime story and I talked him in and it's like, oh, get away, the, the signs of lambs LEGO put in the basket song. Did you maybe played it for him? Oh, really? He'd never heard. He loved it. And so he's okay with that Buffalo Bills, solely cool. He knows you know, it's, it's, it's sort of I I'm sure it haunts him a little bit. He I actually he was Jesse James to single shot. That's right. And he's a great guy, and we had to flip this calf and single shot. And he was able to do it. I think I was only able to do it like maybe once and use it here he lives on a farm. Oh, so he's, he's that guy. Yeah. He had heard that he couldn't get work for a while after signs is true. Yes, what I had heard. But you then he was on monk and Jesse. That's right. He was Jesse James. Yeah. Typecast. Probably. Yeah. Do you remember? There's I remember dropping you off for the in for Jesse James, my brother and I dropped you off. Forget, this is one of the, you know, one of the great the actors. And he's you running across sunset, Qassam doesn't. Yeah. It's safe to say you don't drive. That's fair to say, right? It's a foul. Yes. Yes. I know I drive, I drive, my I you drive, your girlfriend crazy, but I drive I drive in films and stuff. I don't drive driving films. But yes, yes, so you're able to drive. I know how to drive, I don't know how to drive a stick shift. I don't think I've ever, I had a license for for a long time. But, like we're good friends, I've known you for twenty years, because then they will let me dry. Okay. All right. Still need to make a living driving in film. But I've never driven in a car with you is strange. We've known each other over twenty years. I've never I only drive. But but we were picking you up as and before you relied on taxis and friends. Yeah. So we were we were we were in you end happy to do it. But I remember you his scampering across the street and you had like you had, like cowboy kids cowboy get up like where like toy cowboy gear I have, like squirt guns. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think like red. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Little shooters. I didn't get that part. Oh, you didn't get that part. I got another part. That's right. Then they wanted you for another. That's a good example of the part. You're playing then is not maybe not on paper, the show is part, the flashes perpet-. That's what people connect to with a lot of your work, you're able to make these people these kind of things, you know, maybe less desirable on the surface parts really human and. That's only I wanna make out. Yeah. This is we can, by the way, we're not being filmed you work harder than anybody. I, I know that I've seen you what is it like when you did that when you do any part? I mean wh what do you how do you approach it? What is your I seen a lot of scribbles? Well, you know, I think that you've, you've trained as an actor, I've trained as an actor, I did Meisner training and, and, you know, it's like we've done theater, and that's a training in itself. And, you know, I think that the training really informed because I was just kind of fucking around till I was in William Esper-, and then I that was when you were in your twenties, in my twenties, ninety one, and then I start I was doing some theater, and then stood the miser training for two years in that, and I met Terry there and Maggie Flanagan, these two teachers there and Bill was an amazing teacher. And that was like the buds training for me. And then so to speak. And then. And went on, you know, and from there, I think I stayed or can with -tarian. So I was still work with the same coach. This is. Yeah, I work at Terry Knickerbocker, he's at Meisner coach. And he, he was one of William's, pers- proteges. Now, his own school and Maggie Flanigan was the same I trained with her a little bit said that the work itself is just yeah. I need structure. Yeah, I lay out times where I can read it out loud. I take my lines. I go to see Terri FaceTime with lose right now. I'm doing this, this TV thing, we're gonna play a real person. And I'm doing Bob Fossey clam, Bob Fossey, and that's very is a lot involved with Aaron makeup. And does that get in the way? Is that the challenge? It's, it's a challenge for me. I as I'm very fidgety person. And so in the hair makeup chair, it's, it's tricky the most daunting was George Bush because he's so famous so everybody would be known opinion reference, what he sounds like, like Elvis, Presley Marilyn Monroe, or, you know, nobody sound nobody knows what Abe Lincoln sounds like. Nobody knows that. It's true. So how did you go about that? Then it was at a matter of. And not make it an impression. I think that the thing that you see when you see people who play real people very well. You know, I think the main thing you're seeing that has to penetrate through the impression is the truth, the intention of the, in the heart and soul of the of the actor has to punch through the impression if that makes sense. Yeah. I feel like if you just see the impression you're lost did that inform? How you protest Bush. I mean, did you approach him as an anti hero or while I just think that the movies that I grew up on the, the heroes were incredibly flawed, you know, in the deer hunter and Sophie choice, you know, raging bull. These are all very flawed people. You know. And so, but their heroin, and they're also very flawed. And so I think that that's interesting. You know, with Bush, did you talk to him where you able to was it just a matter of watching a lot of. Footage. Did you have an opinion about him that you used in? I just I found him very charming. He's charming a found him. And and you know I really thought he was just a guy who was in over his head with these master politician. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the that's struck me. The peleton bike will make you rethink the way you look at classes. It's an immersive empowering heart pounding cardio experience. You have to try to believe work up a sweat with world class. Instructors writing right by your side. 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Yeah, a little bit of Woody Harrelson, and then I remember watching Freddie Mercury and is filling a little Brad Pitt in there. But the one thing I watched Jim Carey in the mask, a right a lot, and I watched some wolf Aero's, I watched everything people who those seem to be all people who are like untamed don't have any structure. Yeah. And then that other head was a little bit more. Yeah. Rag matter. Eddie Murphy in the nutty, professor. His alter ego, I think is really I've stolen, a lot from that, that the couple times when I did better living through chemistry. I watched the nutty, professor Jerry Lewis one and any Murphy. So I St. I steal a lot of shit from, from the mood. Stoop on the from the great Bill Murray. Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy. You know, to narrow, you know, Jon Voight I always say to young students, I say, you know, watch the men should watch the women in the women's watch the men that if you're a young actress shoe, watch Reggie boy, if you're young actors, you what Sophie's choice interesting, Bob Hoskins something about about. If you wanna play tough guy, and my teacher said this to Bob Hoskins city would watch, you know, he, he, he was more interested in, in, in women who when he was watching. There's a there's something about tapping into that vulnerability. If you're a tough guy underneath that I think, is all these kinds of that's Gene Hackman was great at two. You know. Yeah, and I think my teacher said once and I never forgot to. And, you know, Gene, Hackman always also said, I try to find the simplest way to tell the story. And what I I start with how am I similar to this guy start with that? And then whatever I'm not would whatever's not similar, then you gotta make you gotta fill that, in, you know, so how were you similar to Bush? Well, I'm not I'm not a southerner and I play all these these Texans and I had done a Texas accent. And so that wasn't worried about you mentioned a lot of these movies that you grew up with an and I know, Christopher Walken, it's been like a big part of big influence for you. In fact, when I met you I knew that I knew that early on that he was a big part of your. Or big part of the reason why you're an actor and many mental lot to we, you favor us with, with the story of 'cause I get it wrong. Tell it, you stayed Sam stay next door to Chris Wilken at the Chateau and you in an attempt to meet him is this possible to tell? Yes. Yes. Yes. So we were in the in the elevator and well, we didn't they call you wouldn't walk in call down to the kitchen. He called down to get milk for his cats or something I had heard he was getting milk for. He had. I heard he travels with, like twenty cats I've since become friends with him. Yeah. And I don't think this stuff is true. But I we were down. It was I've been my friend, Ivan and Catherine his girlfriend, and we were, there's a balcony that shares with another room another balcony, and I would go to look, San was in, like a corner room on the on the other corner room that next door had a wrap around balcony. Right. Yes. Yes. And so, I would sometime. James peak onto the part of the balcony, which was not my balcony to cease to get a view of Sunset Boulevard, and kinda check out what's going on downstairs. And, and sometimes I would just look to see if there was anybody in there, so I could go over to her bucket. And then I when I saw the silhouette that looked like you know count. Dracula in the neighbors room. In the newsroom, I feel like I might have known. I quickly walked away and went back to my part of the balcony, the next day, there was a cat box dividing, two balconies, as to be two balconies instead of one. So it was clear that someone put those litterbox separate. Okay. Saw him and we ended up getting elevator with him. We rode the elevator and we tried to sorta be kind of cool about it. And then we. We were lights very small elevator. And then I said, something like he said to me, he wouldn't probably remember this, but you bring it up with them. I haven't talked about the story, but he said his, we did a play together in film together. And we're now friends and, and it was way before way before that. And he said. There was a long. Silence Ivan Catherine. I were just trying to be cool and be like, don't don't say anything, don't say anything. Don't Dumbo dump blow at pain, or in the elevator with Chris Brockman. And that's what we're thinking and is a long, he goes, I put the cat box outside, so it the cats don't get out. And I almost felt like he was trying not to hurt my feelings, or something he was saying, that's for the cats. That's not. So you won't come on my balcony. Oh, I see that wasn't off. Yeah. But no. So I, I was like so I, I went oh yeah. You have a lot of cats, don't you have let you travel with a lot of cats like like twenty? No. And then I was like. There's another long silence. And then we were, I think it was very awkward, but then we got the elevator and we walked and Catherine and Ivan and I walked behind him, but we're going the same way we'd already said he said the elven. Okay. What bye? Okay. Bye. Kept walking. And of course, we're going in the same direction. That's an awkward thing. You don't want to like, say, by again, you, I tried to make funny and I said, so if the if the cats get out, should I get like a net or something and he went on. No. And they weren't that's pretty much the stories that was the first time I had interactions with a great Chris walking. Yes. And that now you've worked with them so much. And you become close that now he, you know, he just call you guys hang out, which I still can't believe were you able to tell him what, what he meant to you growing up, and what a big influence, he was, I think, in that, you know, we had these ten minutes backstage, where I was going on, and he was leaving. And we would sort of read the newspaper and hang out, and we would talk about stuff, and he would tell some great stories and one day or having a coffee break and Martin mcdonagh's there and Zoe because on Anthony Mackie were hanging out and our director, John Crawley. We're just having some tea or something. And he goes. I would admit made a great pope. I would have been very lenient and so Martin. Mcdonagh heard that is just out of nowhere at a nowhere. And he put that in the movie seven psychopaths. Oh, walk and says that, that's awesome were high on mushrooms in the movie when he says, while so Martin took that. So like that farmers have been like, well where else? How else does this make sense? They'd have. The thing is he's brilliant in, in that film, Nick of time. And he's, you know, the thing people forget about they think of, you know, the, you know, the more cowbell and all the sort of fiction, but they forget that he was a leading man. He day, you know the dead zone. Yeah, the deer hunter. I mean he was a big tall. Good looking identity Shakespeare. He was a musical theater. Like he was a leading man and wasn't this, you know scarier. Yeah. Who still? So you got walking. And now you've, yes. Gary oldman's your who's on your list, that was fun to hang out with who's your, Gary Oldman yet. We spent a lot of time together last year. That was really cool to while you were going through the award stuff. That's the cool thing about that award stuff. Is that they'll show these reels at these things like they'll be the Palm Springs film festival, and they'll show William to foes. Willem Dafoe does sort of like clips from his career or Gary oldman's career. I remember I remember there was this Hollywood. Awards thing, and we were all talking and chatting, and drinking beer, and then backstage, and then the Gary oldman's clips came on and everybody shut up while and we just watched his body of work, and it's just a slow clap at the end. It was like it was just astounding body work is just a stone. Well, I remember this is drew Barrymore told me the story about casting you and Charlie's angels. She's a great lady. She's a great lady, and she but Justin badly who's the casting had. Right. She drew told me that she said, who are those three guys because she saw three different photos, injustice said, I'm this is who were considering this part, she's well, which one like, who three and she said, well, just said, they're the same guy and the three different pictures of, you know, the story, it was like you from oh, maybe green mile three different ways. Yeah. So when you talk about, I think a lot of. Younger generations think which must be weird for you. Think of you in those terms the way you think about Gary Oldman will when they see something like that. And feel the same way that you feel about Gary Oldman. So I think you. To see you still get excited about that is it means you're still, you haven't lost you and I are film nerds. We're we're earns. And you've had a lot of experience now playing more straight man leading man. I've done yet both as you have to. And it's fun to do that kind of dynamic, you prefer playing like just a weirdo eccentric. I mean, I think it's fun to do both in in like it depends, what, what's the chemistry is right? I mean you know. Yeah. House, Bob Fossey I'm in how is that too? It's very, it's very challenging this, this Fossey thing, I'm working with Michelle Williams. Who's amazing having a great time with her, and Tommy, kale did Hamilton great. We're having a great time. The writers, great, everybody's great. I think the only thing is there's, there's a lot of time in the chair, and you got us figure that out and the chairman. On the toilet. Yes. What it's long hours. Yeah. It's good. It's, it's, it's really we have these amazing choreographers do a little dancing. It's really it's cool. And you shaved your head. People like superheroes I shaved my head. Yeah. These dance that you love to dance. So were you out of your do you feel like out of your depth? Still are not. It's this is a whole new realm. This is like you thought you could dance. And man, this is like something else. And to learn the Fossey vocabulary, which in short is, like what Michael Jackson did. Yeah. In fact, there's a great video for anyone listening where they show. Michael Jackson dancing to what I forget, what it thriller or something and throw. Yeah. And then they it side by side. With Fosse from the early seventies you showed me. I was blown away by how similar the moves that he, he ripped up, you say Earlier, Michael Jackson, love, fos. He wanted Fossey to direct thriller. And but, but Michael Jackson, Bob fussy said that Michael Jackson, the greatest dancers he'd seen since Fred, Astaire Kelly him. Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer. I was blown away by how similar, but he yeah he worshiped. Fossey. Michael jackson. He really. Yeah. Was there. Everything you wanted to do outside of acting were you ever, did you ever think was? Oh. From your earliest memory was acting. Yeah. I mean I just kind of got into it accidentally through my parents, and then I didn't really take it seriously. And then when I was in adult, I got into it, and then I just started ripping people off the narrow, and, and all these people in. But when you were kid. Fussy ripped off the nNcholas brothers mazing dance team and Fred Astaire, and everybody rips off everybody, you know. Yeah, what's your favorite movie of all time? I mean it depends comedic, I would say either stripes, or animal house or, and then traumatic probably Kuka's Nestor deer hunter of the top of my head. You bill. I mean, there's so many, it's hard to Bill Murray was a big influence. And specifically when you did the way way back. Yes, we basically I basically I copied him in meatballs, and Walter, Matthew abedin's bears, and a little bit of Richard Pryor, Buston loose this movie. Bus knows with him in Sicily, Tyson genera few others. I mean thief, but, but in, in the sense that they were so you were so kind of off the cuff, you had this kind of glib. Well, Bill Murray meatballs, specifically is almost a relationship is almost identical between him and the boy I mean that that's a pretty obvious. That's right. He takes him under his wing. And he senses that he's. Spin, alienated him where, where would you other than LA New York where if you could live somewhere, would you wanna live San Francisco, you? And I've spent some gaps there, San Francisco's great town. Yeah, you do. I would say New Orleans Austin. You at your house there. Great, you grew up in San Francisco. You grew up. I remember you show me where, you know, this is where I had my first day this where I had, that's what you, you were also part of a group of kids, that were like it was it was like fame, where they like. Yeah, it was kind of a low budget fame, but it was also intercity kids from everywhere. So there were the, the kids from the mission. Was it intimidating to very intimate? I mean, I got beat up a lot as a kid. I mean there were but they're the rich kids would come in a commute to the school yards. But it was still a public school. So it was very eclectic group. Yeah. Very quick, very interracial vary financially the kids were all in different places. It wasn't like just rich. It was like a lot of poor kids, a lot like middle class. It was very eclectic, so, and it was cool to be. An artists the artists part was only I'd say like twenty percent of the school. So the rest of the public school are maybe maybe maybe more than that. But like, you know, but Margaret show came. That's right. And you should tell. Yeah. Yeah. So were your friends, then mostly actors. Yeah, I mean you know, dated for a while. And, and we were an improv troupe is Margaret, and I. Yeah, so San Fran and you would live there. Music. Would you listen to relax? Do you get into music onset and Enya? That's what I figured what, what do you listen to listen to remember? Listen to 'em war during snow angels, m ward. I do that depending on the character you like to switch. I don't know. What's fighting Fosse's kinda like? Yeah. Hey big spender out of loop. Sweetheart. If you had to be one eight for the rest of your life. What would you pick physically? I think forty was physically the peak out. Really? That's so good to know. I think forty was really really that's right after that it was starting to fall apart. And now I mean I'm pretty good shape now but it it's still it's never going to be the same after forty forties like great and mentally, forty eight to be that's so really like being forty I'm glad to hear that vanilla chocolate. I guess chocolate dogs cats dogs. Sweet savory oh, savory mosquitoes bees. Bees who likes mosquito mosquito? What mosquitoes good for get them out and control it kill maybe that, that's about it wine beer. Oh, I like them both. That's really I like, but I'm kind of a snob. This was a question for the people. I thought for sure that you're gonna say beer, beer, but I'm love a good. Sam Rollo to men. I love you. Are you are the biggest beer snob? I think I've ever known. I am snob as an inherently negative word, isn't it? Yeah. I mean you're in. Elitist a beer. It was fear. Yeah. You love trying different one. Yeah. I surprised. Okay. Well so subway cab, I like the subway. Yeah. If there's if there's no, if there's no, there's no, if there's no traffic like a cab the breezes through Brooklyn Bridge. How is it now do people? Have you been getting is coming up? Two more. I mean, it's the same kind of stuff. I think you know, it's always like, really, it's mostly really nice. I think except if you're in a hurry, right? Isn't that sort of the, the one time you're like if you're in a hurry? I know the best thing. But if it's great if you're if you're not if you're not in a hurry. It's great. I mean you can pretty much it's mostly good. I would say mostly good. Yeah. I remember the one time I was in hurry. This is right. When things started I started backing and things that people were seeing in and. I was late for training Grand Central. And this guy came up to me, and I've been getting a lot of like, did we go to school together? Like it's killing me. Where do I know you from I still do it? Yeah. And so I would say, oh, Where'd you go to school, Oregon, I went to school Connecticut. But what do you do for a living on, and eventually gets the point where like, oh, I saw Yuna thing. Yeah. So I'm running for a train. And this guy comes up to me goes, did we go to school together, and I was like, and I was late in my defense. Like I said, no, I'm an actor, you probably know me, you probably saw me in something. And he goes, oh, really, what were you in? And I started listing time really limited resume that. No, no this. No. Did you up in Fairfield, Connecticut? Yeah. I did river field elementary school. I did go there. I not only did I know him but we had been friends in first grade. And he moved out of town, embarrassing, and I said, oh, you here. I am like I'm gonna you probably know me from my work, and we were friends in first grade. And the worst part was he goes. So you're acting now. You know, I do occasionally, get people there was a really sweet. Sometimes the hell do you think you are? I got one recently, which was really sweet girl. And she was like, really nice. Oh my God. You're the guy who was in the thing. And she said, what do you do? Now at high said, oh, well, you know, still acting she, that's kind of fun in a way though. Sometimes it's kind of fun because it's like, yeah, you could be anybody. Yeah. Beatles, stones. Oh, five. What is these these, that's not phaser quick. These are just don't think of stones right today, but milk Beatles tomorrow, this spring fall fall. You some tough ones sunrises. Sunsets sunrise, your epitaph. What do you want to read, or do you want to call me? A racial epitaph. What, what? What, what EPA what isn't a potential for that for your tombstone? Yes. He he the no rock unturned. I guess would be maybe that's it. That's good. And is there a real person that you wanna play now played Bush Fosse? I dare I say this. I shock Peres I kind, the only person I kind, but I'm too old is Elvis, Presley I love the play offs president, but, but I wouldn't you love to play, you could play over VIN Vince Vaughn. Could you could play version of Elvis version of him? I guess spider verse Colin Farrell virgin of him. On Farrell played L. I mean, should play Elvis. Think Vince Vaughn, should play those make sense. Okay. Maybe you and I should. You could play. I don't know if I should play all this. But somebody said on Twitter Sinophile fem said this is a good question. I'm curious about this myself. What went through your mind when you dropped an f-bomb in that hilarious SNL? That was panic. I played through. I mean, I, I was, you would never know I played through, but it was it was definitely like I thought I was like going to be in trouble. And where you had did they say anything? No, they were like dog do that again. Basically playfully. Yeah, it was like, you know. Right. A girl named Kylo once you say hi to her. Hey, how's it going? Okay. That's good. And this was interesting. It's people ask about so much people ask about galaxy quals sequel. Is it gonna happen without Alan? Yes. Well there. That's right. We were almost going to do it. Right. We're yeah. Yeah, I think they're still thinking about it. You know, I it's tough. I don't know used to fill. What a great guy. I know Allen was back to an Allan, Allan. He was such a great. He was such a beautiful guy. Yeah. Another one on. Galaxy. Course who I didn't. I didn't know anyone and he was he was also very kind to me when we did that any, I did a play that he, he was leaving. So I took over for. And he wrote me, a, he didn't have to Romeo letters really nice letter over excited. It was from Alan Rickman, I opened it and the car just said it was a beautiful like sunset background, and in very small ornate cursive, said fuck you. That's awesome. Well, you know, he helped me with Charlie's angels a little bit a. Oh, that's right. You're talking about Harley Schreiber. Yeah. Yeah. You wanna talk about that. Well, I gave him the script and he said, just I said, I wanna do all these things in the you know, I don't know. Maybe it said like I wanna have Capers and keep it simple fans his eye. He's indic- hod. I queued someone of the night to sandwich. It's right. And I was like, oh, yeah. He says keep it simple in its. Right. I remember that he took the time to read the script, and they're like seventeen versions of script, but he read the script and that was very nice. And he's right. That that was that is something that's it's nice to get help from your friends, and he was very, very prestigious friend to have that time. Yeah. It's good to have. You do. Help each other that you gave me the best advice on when we were doing that play salmon doing a play. And we both had movies we were about to go do. Yeah. And yours was heist movie, which was, I would read lines cheaper scrapers house about to prescribers to really good film, really scary film. Well at the time, you know, I felt really like. Intimidated by the we're not intimidated. We were reading these great David Mamat lines. I was helping you studying. And, and then we would read mine, and I was kinda, I remember being down on it because compared to the mammoth script. It was like, you know, we're getting chased by this monster and dialogue wasn't quite as scintillating. So, and I was I remember being a little like self deprecating about it. And you said to me, and you, you sit you gotta treat this like it's hamlet. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I do we living in the house and Williamson. Yeah, yeah. It was a really great lesson. And on, never forget it because, you know, no matter how what the script is like you, no matter how who still have to be that committed to great in that movie. And that movie's rock in. It's scary shit. The thanks really terrifying that foam your your you go there. You know, it's like commit you know that you commit to it like it's something, and I was, I guess, pretentious, at the time where I thought like things had to be if. Wasn't the whatever it was a really good. It was a good lesson. I think for that. And I just in terms of working with people who now if you were to put together, like a who what play, would you do? What, what? You know what you do. You Shakespeare you wanna do? That's a good question. I don't know what I'd love to do like SRI car on film or something. You get those characters in film. Neil Simon or Martin mcdonagh's, great words, what, what kind of car part would you like to play? That. No, that's I'm doing the. I want to do that in a movie. What would you what would you do? What would you know the I'm getting to part now that I'd never thought I'd get to play a guy. Deeply flawed and he's a real fuck up. And, and that's a lot of fun. This is intense. This is somebody wanna know on Twitter as well, if they could make if you could green light a sequel to any movie that you've already done. She's safe men. Oh, god. That'd be great. So safe men for for you guys who hasn't who haven't seen it. It's Steve Zahn in great cast. Mark Ruffalo is in it. That would be the one. Okay. Definitely L question says safer men safer men coming to a theater near you. I would definitely see. And who's the great director, who did they go? Jon hamm. Grab your tights and. That, that this, this safer, men, somebody, and then the third one is the safest men that this is somebody who is a good question. This is Agnes is a cool name Agnes descending knee saying that, right. I'm probably not having this the first time I saw Sam Rockwell. I'm gonna do my impression of I won't. Facetime. I just like. Exactly how I. Absolutely. It's it was in to chose box of moonlight. Not only did Sam steal every scene even playing opposite turell, but he played them all wearing a buckskin suit. I wonder this is ABC News. But I also wonder how much that outfit informed his character and other costumes, since question pros to buckskin great. Nicole nah grade in the heat. Pros and cons wearing bucks. It wasn't like you put that on, and you're like, now I'm like this fair because you played this real like feral like country bumpkin kinda guy that was a great time. The Chila did a cool we decided to put like a little bird on his outfit. I don't know if you can see it. It's really. That was a funny idea. It's just funny here bird little, there's a little white bird, turn on, on his book, skin Davy Crockett outfit, but, yeah, that was just a really fun. What just as Gary Busey for that? Remember watching Gary Busey for that in something where I thought, Gary this energy, so this movie he did where he played this like hunter or something. And there's this kind of false bravado. That, that character has Bucky has this weird. Oh, wow. And then he Tom chill told me to watch Joe buck in midnight cow. Sure. Yeah. When I initially did. I did it with a southern accent. He said, cut the southern accent, but innocent this kind of like child light like, you know. Yeah. That thing that Joe Buckhead in. Yeah. Midnight cowboy like sense of wonder kind of. Yeah. Why, why would you. Yeah. So who's left who have not, who are the grates that you, you've yet to. Well, I love to work with Meryl Streep. That's right. I'd love to get a chance to working real Streep sometime. Well, I'm sure she bunch of people. He's probably Holly, hunter's a great actress, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Merrill's listening. I would assume. Yeah. Yeah. Are you excited for you might be nominated for more things? So you are you looking forward to it was that are you looking forward to going through that again? Or is it? I mean I know they're pros and cons. And it's, it's, it's, it's a fun. Fun parties. Yeah. And it's, it's a lot of you know, it's scary. Yeah. You know, like now, is it scary? Now you've done it. You've already been through you one one by the way, where is that? What do you do with? I have it right here. Guys, guys, you can't see this, but SAM's got run his neck. Gold. No. I you know, that stuff is so sort of beautiful, and crazy, and scary, it's such a cra- that's such a weird thing. You know. And I remember Phil talked about that one time member. He talked about. Yeah. You know how much the downside so that the stuff that you don't really consider. Yes, because everybody wants one everybody even if they say. And I was having one of those moments where I had been nominated for this thing or they was talking about. And I was in Paris to reveal that to him because he was above that, you know, somebody like that. We talked. That's right. Remember that? And he was very cool about talking about that stuff. He was very candidate, very honest and dumb. But, but yes. So I wonder how it changes, and if you're looking forward to that are, or is it like if it happens, it happens, and it's cool. But it's, it's, it's also you know, like, how do you make, you know, it's hard to make competition out of there's no as Steve Zahn. There's no finish line. Yeah. Should we make out? Yeah. Well, we already did. But I can again we I guess we have been for the last hour. Man. Thanks. Hey, man. You know, I'll just going to say one thing about all that awards stuff. And I said, it's you recently. Yes. But I've seen people go through different phases. And I've been through one you go through changes things happen. You get a little celebrated you go, ebbs and flows and all that you haven't changed. And that's like a crazy thing. And I want people to know that I want people to know that, that could have really, you know, what's your name again. Fuck. Shiloh booth. I love your work, but thanks. I love you. And thank you for listening. And you know, I love I love this man. I love you, man. Hopefully hopefully, they'll be more than maybe be more. Yeah. Maybe we'll follow this up, every, yes. Welcome to the portion of the show called that just happened. It's not really called that show. I'm saying that ironically, but it, it may in fact end up being called or I mean I can't even that time you interviewed Sam Rockwell. So that time I interviewed Sam Rockwell, what did you think of it? I mean, I picture you like doing, like MacAulay Culkin like hands to the face. I know that you are nervous going into that wasn't. It was it was weird to be nervous talking to a foot in, but I will say, I don't think it showed I guess, you are an actor good at acting with my friend. I was acting. I was nervous but his acting like it wasn't this is a this is like a really good indication of who Sam is this is a really good story. But Sammy's to live on an apartment just off on eighth straight off of six avenue in tiny, little couldn't have been more than like three hundred square feet tiny slipped on food time. And he would always be like, come on over you should sleep over and which meant he want you to have the food time and he would sleep in a sleeping bag on the floor. And the red boxes Sam loves cereal cereal, lined up any had the walls were just like covered with photos, photos of his friends that SAM's family. And when he finally moved into a bigger apartment, the decorations in the walls became the same photos that he had all smushed together in the old department, just like spread out. So there'd be one every like three feet like a photo of one of his friends. It was really charming or the cereal box spread out to know because the kitchen was the same size that a small kitchen, but he lo and then, like movie memorabilia, you know, he's really into infect got me one of the few things in my apartment, which is a poster of the Flamingo kid. He got Matt Dillon to sign it for me. But I know I think that story is really important because it illustrates who he is how he hasn't changed. It's, it's a really good example of. Great story, but it's a good indicator as you know, after all his success and, you know, making more money and all that he's still go out and buy like fancy. He's yours. The same friends, and he didn't like trade up and start hanging out with, like, you know, who knows. With the. Dalai lama. Which we spilt seen. I mean, I've seen that happen to, to people, I know and yet to the point where he is. Yeah. It's bizarre. Little he's changed an testament to what what his character, there's something. So innocent about Sam, I noticed this, and this is not a visual medium. So I don't know if this'll translate, but I was watching the interview, and I and I've noticed this about him before when he's talking to someone he has this way of like studying their face and their expressions. And, and I can see him. He likes shows his lower. Yeah. I can see him digesting, someone's countenance you know, an and someone's mannerisms and he's such a like a student of, you know, and, and you could see him, he's like a sponge of human behavior which, which, again, he, you know, he in that in the interview, I thought was so interesting how much he talks about how he steals from the great actors all these people, but I see him steal from from just random people that he's. Talking to in a way, I wonder if you realize how much that he realizes you could see him, sort of, like really can cues just zoning in on someone's face. Yeah. You know, and he has sort of like little smirk when he's unsure of something. Doing it really well right now. I wish you could see this, but I find myself doing it to a similar I- stolen things from Sam, I listened from Sam even. Yeah. Weird tremendous. Especially when I'm around this unique he has such a unique eight yank like Christopher Walken. I mean, I think they're they're similarly unique. Oh my God. I mean a lot of it is. Oh my God. Tremendous. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's, he's, he's also sometimes outbursts of my God. Like that. Sam, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's listening to all my God. Yeah. Or not fully listening. You know, like kind of instead of listening fully to the question. He's, he's studying the way that someone saying that's what struck moves it almost seemed at like at times. He was more aware of how you're saying the question then what the content of the question was? You know what I mean? He gets this like knowing. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of innocence about him. You know, he's got this, which I found interesting that he, he said that the age that he his body pick forever before it struck me as someone such a Peter Pan someone who sows. Innocent and again, which I'm sure helps his acting that he has this, he's sort of open book, the sort of, like as naive spirit about him ee. There's also he embraces moment Sam is very good at being fill was like that. But both of them share this they have they laugh with real abandoned. When they find something funny, they've fill this laugh that was just. I mean he laughed the way he acted. I mean he just complete impure honest honest. So can't thank him enough for having done that. And thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed that. Life. Good. Thank you for listening to life is short. If you like to show, please give us a five star review at least four stars and tell your friends disobeyed grab we're available on apple podcasts. 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Matchstick Men (2003)

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Matchstick Men (2003)

"Hey everybody welcome back to another bald movie this time. Jim and I saw the classic two thousand three black comedy slash crime film matchstick men. It was directed by Ridley Scott's written by the brothers Griffin Ted. Nicholas if I if I could find out what else Nicholas has been up to. Ted went on to write the script for Ravenous the kind of we're wool. Vampire Guy Pearce film and Ocean's eleven whichever one with I Rem have pretty fond memories of this from the time I saw the theater. what did you think I have? You seen this film before. And what did you think on on? Further reflection I don't know Nick Cage. Yeah Cagey in your response. Have seen this one other time. Apparently almost twenty years ago uh-huh judging by the date of this movie raised me and I remember really really liking it. It was maybe my first introduction to Sam Rockwell and he plays an excellent character in this and classic Nicholas Cage Moments. I mean it's it's an excellent film. It's a this is almost the perfect vehicle for him. Yeah that that very quirky like OCD. Agoraphobia yeah like that Rula Nicholas Cage shine very distinct odd personality. As you mentioned this this stars Nicholas Cage and Sam Rockwell L. Stars Alison Lohman Who I'm not nearly as familiar with her work. I know that she was in the Oleander something White Oleander. Yeah oleanders and he's got. It made Watson Area Potter. I'm assuming she said something to do with magical ones She was a pretty prominent role a big fish that I had seen a movie that I really enjoy I always confuse her with Alison pill. I kept thinking. Oh she and Scott Pilgrim. Who is other meg from? Scott Pilgrim Yeah Whitman because I feel like there's there's a there's like a kind of triad of of lohman whitman filming on their everybody in this is great. Like Alison Lohman is fantastic. She though twenty four years old and this playing a fifteen year old and I think she does a great job she really does. She shields like a kid in this she really they they do allow the costuming and makeup and her kind of natural youthful looks to to sell it because it doesn't that performance also really good like just how you know impulsive. She is and just like sort of precocious and Bratty. Like she's on the outs with her mom and It's it's pretty good I I so I don't want that. There's this movie is a you know. It's a two crime drama. There's some some some complex plotting I don't WanNa spoil it for people. You want to go back and see one in the cage best performances especially one. That doesn't make you want to necessarily blow your brains. Alex some of his other oscar-worthy turns in Leaving Las Vegas and the one about the host of the him driving a taxi or a medical taxi ambulance better off graveyard shift. That doesn't sound right. Oh bring out the daring. Bring out the dead or something like that Artan Scorsese Film. This is a this is a fun Fun Watch. I think so with a reasonably happy ending. Let's talk about the premise. Is Nick Cage? Plays Roy and Sam Rockwell. Frank and they're both two conmen or is this movie calls the matchstick men. Roy's bit older more accomplished well off and cautious and frank is younger hungrier and still looking for his first big score. Roy struggles with OCD obsessive compulsive disorder which he controls the combination of self medication and a life of rigid order and Control Roy however discovers the as a fourteen year old daughter from a previous relationship. Angela decides to meet her on the encouragement of his therapist. They hit it off and they bond very quickly but she soon discovers. A Roy isn't antique dealer that he claims to be and not only shows an interest in learning the way of the con- but shows quite the aptitude for the work but soon and expensive long term con winds up with Ray and Angela in deep trouble as delayed us. Mark is more dangerous than he seems. That's Mass Dickman. If you want to go see it go watch it now. If you are here for a spoilers you're about to get spoilers Do you know why this film is called matchstick men. I had to look it up and it makes sense though. What is your understanding? So a matchstick man is essentially a crudely sketched character Essentially a stick figure. Yeah I call them. All was gonNA stick figures right but in matchstick men is another term for that and so these personalities these very thin flimsy personalities that conman dream up the temporary disposable personalities make them feel like matchstick men got like stick figures So that's that What did you think of? I guess we talked about Nick Cage and maybe we should start there with the his performance because he does a lot of interesting things as far as The way he does these verbal tics and physical tics the way he kind of You know melts down when he loses his medication or when things start to go out of his control where he feels like he's being exposed outdoor environment I was wondering whether this movie holds up from a depiction of mental illness standpoint. And I I did some digging and it seems like people think that this is a pretty good Both OCD sufferers sufferers clinical psychologist. That this is a pretty good portrayal of leg what it's like to live with. Ocd Any variety of of mental right. Hang UPS or illnesses. You know it's not just as CD. It's Gora Phobia. There's a maybe a little terance in there as well. I'm not sure exactly. Yeah just a loss. Do you find a lot of that. Is they all go? It's not you know you're GONNA have. Ocd and everything else is fine. Yeah like that's just maybe the tip of the iceberg. That that you have. Yeah he does. I mean just fantastic. Little things in his performances. I mean they're way over the top Which I didn't strike me as bad or auto or anything. It's just there. Some things are less noticeable like everyone smile bark slightly Which I really liked and then the the winking that he does throughout the film is real. Good he does the throat clearing the WHO you know making like those who Kinda live verbal tics. Yeah no I think it's it's great and they do a great job of showing like he has a measure of control. He's taking Illegal prescription medication like they. He's getting he's just self medicating off the the black market or the gray market But it shows that his his his his world is very neat and orderly like he obsessively skins skins his Pool He like Is Very much calm and control when he's on these phone calls of people when we introduced in there that he's doing these scams but then we go to their house and someone opens up a window suddenly. Yeah it's it's weird that I guess that's the thing is that The one thing I thought this would be. Kinda drug for is that There's a part of movie where he's UNMEDICATED. Essentially he's taking a placebo but it seems to be controlling the substance the the worst of his his tics and I did some digging. I guess at that something something that can happen like you know. You can control some of this stuff through therapy through behavioral modifications through lowering your stress and anxiety through having you know perceived greater controller fulfilment than your life and like his daughter that emotional attachment was the medication. Yes he was. Essentially that therapy medication. He was taking right. I mean as inasmuch as these are like mental conditions. And not you know kit necessarily chemical imbalances or anything like that. Yeah they could be overcome with just a better outlook on life Less guilt in your life Feeling more control all those things could contribute to to making you temporarily feel better. Yeah This has I think you know we did. The whole Superstars film fest on the works of decades. And this is one of my favorite lines ever and I couldn't remember I clearly remember. This lime didn't remember what movie it was until we got to it where he's in the pharmacy and he. He all with with nothing blister. Pack of his of his medication. He's trying to get a prescription fulfilled spread and he's cutting in line. And you know people are taking exception to him being this crazy person you know quote unquote Causing chaos in the pharmacy. Any turns the one of the outraged line cutters or cut. These any says the guy said Hey. Have you ever heard of waiting in line? Powder he goes hey. Have you ever heard of being drug out to the sidewalk beaten until you piss blood? And it's just the fucking best. Yeah it's the best. No one Nicholas Cage gives that performance in that moment. I'm I'm thrilled. The Nicholas Cage was able to deliver that line. Yeah I was actually surprised when I looked up because I one of the last things I do in a bald movie review especially talking about classics as I go through and look and see what all Roger. Ebert as we move forward in time it'll be that'd be less and less an available reference but he had a four star review for this film which. I thought that was You Know He. He considered this an Oscar winning performance one of his best and yet this paragraph says Nicholas Cage is accused of showboating. But I prefer to think of him as swinging for the fences. Sometimes he strikes out he cites gone in sixty seconds which not sure I agree with doesn't really go for it in that movie either. Yeah How's he? I don't know I mean I could see him. He's he's he's loaded with a whole bunch of colorful characters. You GotTa do you think. He has any lines like piss blood. Maybe not maybe Yeah they'll talk about vampires. Kiss if you want out swinging for the fences and ms there you go there you go. But he says far more often he connects and he says parenthetically took enormous risks and leaving. Las Vegas bringing out the dead and adaptation. He has a kind of raging zeal that possesses his character. What another actor would be. Overacting is with cage kind of fearsome intensity. There's an Oscar nomination here for him. I Bet Caja degree at that. His his his Lizard Shaman Connection. He has with the material. He's great I thought he has really good chemistry Osama Rockwell. Like you get their relationship within the sixty seconds of them interacting you do but at the same time you're sort of puzzled as to why these two ended up together because they don't give you a lot of backstory on the two right and that's right you don't know how they connected or why how long they been working together and how long do on other none of that stuff. And they're so different like you would think that the the patterns and habits of Sam Rockwell His character Frank Would Drive Roy Insane Because he's already got these mental issues that he's dealing with and same rockwell is just a sloppiest person it's not Sam Rockwell. Frank is a sloppiest person on the planet. Yeah I mean he. He has no no respect. No care no nothing when he comes into. Roy's House and Franks's all you can take your take my shoes off no problem. Then he walks into his living room he might as well be eating a big sloppy hamburger and dripping ketchup everywhere. Where if it's something about the fact that like It does seem that the Roy has to have a lot of control and the fact that he's working with a very gee I guess he's junior tim they don't seem like there's that much of a difference in age but maybe he's just hats more experienced doing these cons but like frank has a certain respect for him and his is natural ability. And he's used to the weirdness that his his different mental illnesses bring to the table any accommodations for it either. I don't know I mean that. That's that's the thing where it's like he does. But then you realize that this was just like you know It does seem like he it. It does seem like maybe he could a little bit better when they're like out like when they're out scamming that old couple and the door gets opened. Maybe if Sam sees what's happened and he can kind of be like. Hey could you mind shutting the door? You know. I got allergies? Yeah Yeah like you see. Your party's freaking out and starting to twitch and tweak then you jump in there and beat a distraction or something. I don't know yeah but now that you say that actually that this is all part of the CON. I'm going Oh yeah of course. Well that's the question has wishing him toward these symptoms right so he'll go to the shrink so he'll like go down this road. They want him down. Windy think When do you think that they decided? When when did Sam Rockwell? Come up with this idea because I after I watched it. I thought there's a moment early on in film where Sam Rockwell tries to sell him on a long-term Khan and guy or whatever and Nick Cage says nope. I don't do long-term cancer too dangerous. I think that's where he decided. Well then I'm going to scam you. Yeah I think so there were. There was so much money at stake in. And you can see the frank needs it. Roy doesn't right. Roy Guides stash a huge stash. A safety deposit box. Yeah but frank needs it and I think Franks pushing him and the fact that he doesn't want to do it. Sort of drives frank to him. Zimmer Rockwell's essentially playing a same rockwell's got a lot of different facets but there is a very broad sam rockwell gear that he plays like in his thing of Charlie's angels character And that's pretty much what he's doing. He's being Sam Sam Rockwell is yeah Before we leave Nick Cage. I wanted to talk a little bit about little more about how he commits to this role. Because there's so much you know. He mentioned the barking and the pissed blood. But there's just so many little things as well where like he's in this hospital. Makeshift Hospital Room Right. And he's being conned and he comes out and he's running across the the roof of this parking garage with his bare ass Just hanging out and this stupid little pointy hat thing. It's he has no shame in those moments and when he's in the laundromat with Alison Lohman with Angela. And he's got this ridiculous. Get up with this Fedora. This like I don't even know what it is like a Straw Fedora. Or something and these glasses pattern shirt like nicholas cage is willing to just anywhere and we saw that in like the weatherman where we were talking about Nicholas. Cage is remarkable ability to take food Food items to the face. Without flinching. Yeah I just have such a new such keen appreciation of Nicholas Cage and what he is willing to do even when it misses now. I need to go back and watch Mandy after having done a little more research on Nick Cage and see if that re contextualised anything for me. Yeah I I'm a big fan of the aisle. I also just saw speaking of Nick Cage in the news The color of space the color outerspace. That's the follow that another follow up. It's not the same director. I think that's the same may be produced production company probably half Nick Age Anyway. But it's a it's a classic. Hp lovecraft tale. Oh boy and it's excellent. It's excellent it's it's it's I think it's got a lot of the same kind of Aesthetic Choices Mandy but without like Some of the things. That kind of drove us. Yeah yeah a much. More restrained. Nikkei's performance Gomez matchstick men one of the things that makes the script really interesting and propels. It is it's it's not unconventional morality. Like I feel like this film really buys in to the idea that like that. That Nick Cage while he sees himself as being this kind of.

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EP70: Gary & Kenya Predict 2019 OSCARS Winners

#GetSome with Gary Owen

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EP70: Gary & Kenya Predict 2019 OSCARS Winners

"You're listening to the podcast tag. What's up everybody? This is Gary on with the get some podcasts. He listed us on itunes or go to YouTube dot com batch last Gary on com. The one more time YouTube dot com backs less. Kiro and com this week. That's Oscar week Gumma wife on we're gonna talk about that minute. Just to go over my schedule real quick, I'm in Birmingham, Alabama this weekend. And then next week to end the month, February twenty seventh I'm in Naples, Florida at captain Brian's off the hook comedy club. And then I'm in Orlando fit were twenty eighth March first second third at the Orlando improv, and then another little his way, but March eighth and ninth for the first time ever at the San Jose, improv San Jose, California, March eighth a night never been there for a weekend. Like that. I found the special there independently us. Ago, but never been there myself. Got my wife on this week is Oscar week. It's an I I like the Oscars it's not like the Super Bowl big box of match. But it's still fun to watch the Oscars. You can talk now. I can feel you breathing down my mic. The rules are very tight around here. It's just let me get all the info out, and then we can talk. Okay. So this is a special show special show. It's just it's Oscar week. I know and Oscars aren't white anymore. They're black vary. They got a lot of well. I mean, okay. Let's. Just one of them deserve to be. They're not like just because they need to be black. But it was a lot of really good black films and directors and actors so I'm excited to. Yeah. Well, you know, there's not gonna be there. Kevin hart. He got a raw deal. He got a raw deal really worked Africa meant though at the end. He was fine regardless it like somebody said it best. It wasn't like he needed Oscars. It was like a it was like Jordan was new as the best basketball player. He had any titles, but he was still playing the Olympics because he just he wanted to go metal, right? And to Kevin was the same thing. I just you know, the fact that I even have having a host. Dislike whatever now. I will say I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up the nominees here. Best films. Best picture Black Panther. Yes. Is most exciting black klansman good to bohemian rhapsody. The favorite. I know. I never heard of that movie green book Roma. A star is born. And vice which is the story of Dick Cheney, which is really good actually to and Roma takes place in Mexico City. It's a black and white. It was a really good film seen it. I don't I don't know if it's Oscar worthy starry. But I mean, it was a good film. And it's about growing up and relationships like the relationships that they had with their housekeepers. And just seeing the, you know, they start off as a happy family in the mother and the husband break up, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it was good. I. I don't understand how some films are chosen like for Oscars like the best picture ever of the year. So, but it was a good film like see it pay attention because it's in subtitles if you are not Spanish speaking. I was happy to see Black Panther nominated. Even I don't think it's going to win. Yes. It was just cool because it was it was a very monumental movie. Yeah. And I think that one deserve to be there though. Your blood pressure was good. I'm I'm of his Oscar good. But it was really good black klansman was different number Hemu. Razzie was really frigging. Good. I didn't know that was going to be that good. You know? Yeah. That is you don't like that song. We will rock to who doesn't like that song. Yeah. Anyway, I don't like us on. I don't know. Anybody don't like this just how it came about? I was like I need a song it if I can sing. And now that guy he's. He's not we'll go into all the nominee. Okay. Let's we'll get into movies in a minute. Because it's I never I don't know what the favorite is. I saw the green book I saw vice all stars born. So the Oscar movies, I I haven't seen the favourite and I didn't see Roma. Okay. Solicitous do a little scorecard out of those movies. Just tell us. What's your favorite? Would you think should win? And I'll tell you know, I don't wanna do that. This is my show. So we're going to go to. I think it's because what happens we'll we'll bleed into the and should which goes into leading actor and leading actress some let's go leave the actors mashes and then we'll end with. Let's do it like the Oscars doesn't the Oscars end with best film. Okay. Then they lead with yourself. Okay. So best supporting actor actress. I oh, I just wish we had more prep. I told you to ago, we're gonna do an Oscar episode actually, you chose not the prep. I cra- ready. I'm talent. That's not what she says. That's not what you said. Ready, the tempo actress in a supporting role Amy Adams and vice marina Dade Tavira and Roma Regina king in if Beale street could talk Emma stone, the favourite, Rachel Weisz the favorite. I hope Regina wins. I'm like, I'm like a ISA Ray, I for black people. Okay. Who do you think? Well, if Bill streak at tacos, really good Regina was really good. So she should definitely be up there. And I said you haven't said anything, what do you think you win? I think I think Regina king. I didn't see the favorite. So with that behind that Regina king? Let's go agree with that one K who you was from shut the, hey, we saying he was gonna hold out of talking about nothing. Gory film. Okay. Go by the way, the Oscars should be an hour. All the best form film. Best short best cartoon. Nobody cares about the art direction. Who MO you could win. Oscar would do like the Grammys or a lot of things are done off air Do that the Oscars only people care about is best actor best actress best support a best. Supporting actress best picture best director best soundtrack. That's it. Okay. Except if you're nominated from one of those sub categories, you don't wanna be on commercial, you want everybody to know Oscars. It's like this huge thing with the Grammys. I just read that people are pissed at certain awards were given out off camera who's pissed I didn't read article kind really care about right? It's nobody's been same thing. Okay. Let me ask you this who won who won best short last year. I don't want to hear before who wanted to hear before. Who wouldn't you submitted my shorts? I would want it to be for the world to see not an off camera award to my winning short. You can't tell me when they announced those winner sometimes of those best foreign films like that in that guy goes on stage. And you're just like can we just move on? You can't tell me you don't say that. I watched it with you. We're like this. Geez. We go to the kids. My wife and my amazing team image. If you were nominated for different. From a fan right now. Yeah. Whatever I do think it could be a lot about half the time hour and a half is enough. Okay. They could easily film and then put on YouTube. Then you gotta forever. Like, they film. Like, your acceptance speech pop on YouTube wasn't on TV auto who like five hours, man. Okay. Yes songs. Okay. So that was best actress supporting role, which really we're not qualified to vote because it will be qualified for half. These I see Rama and I didn't see the favorite. Okay. So I saw vice and I saw Bill streak could talk. So when did you see vice? I'm on a plane at the time, we always have this free Bubis on planes. So okay. I'm at the watch vice next time vice pretty good too. What's up Dick Cheney in? Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. God Sam Rockwell playing George Bush. Yes. Okay. Speaking of best actor or supporting role mosh shahala are shutt- Ali grandma. Love love ham and net freak in. In. See how excited I got. He slowdown. Okay. Marshal Ali green book, Adam driver, black klansman. Sam Elliott, a star is born Richard E grant can you ever forgive me Sam Rockwell in vice now has there ever been co like co-winner not one person's win who you trying to get co-winners to our now, I think green book was just my favorite movie. Like, I am not so. I would see green book again at these tumor types. We're talking about best supporting actor. He was awesome in it. He was good. All right. That's where I'm going. I'm green book off the way. Okay. Well, I disagree in Elliott was really good. He was good. But then when to me Sam Rockwell should win me. Oh, say who was the clansman guy, Adam driver? He really good job. So those would be my two between it's strong that is a straw actor disappointing role that is a strong group. Yeah. But you always got to do with George Clooney said if you're nominating your here. You've won got the brass ring. That's right. You know, the trophies great grant at the trophy is amazing. Right. But you got the brass ring. Yeah. You're think if you were invited just to be at the Oscars you win. Like, oh, no. This is how you know you win it if you are invited to the Roc nation pre Grammy brunch. Moussaka do with Oscar's not shit. But I want to be invited to that pre Grammy brunch. Brock nation host Jay Z and beyond say so fucking bad that almost I'm willing to pay. He should about last week's episode. Oh, okay. I'm just thinking probably getting by this don't wanna go. I'm just getting I don't know. Okay. So I think my personal opinion Sam Rockwell on vice I thought it was so good at George Bush. But who I think who I think's going to win Sam Elliott? And I think a lot of times you win for out the roles you not necessarily should win for like, I don't think Ben's on their Ciller one day. I think he won because he got passed from Malcolm X mother, I kinda grow right. And they were like we all make this right? Okay. So I do think it's going to go to Sam, Elliot. Yeah. You know, what if they can name? Like two or three people out of that category. Now, it'd be okay with. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I like I said, I don't even I didn't see can you ever. Forgive me. Enough. I've heard of that. Okay. But I'm honestly between marshal Ali Masha llah gotta blow announcing his name. Right. I I I struggle with that every time I see him. Okay. Mahershala marshal Ali. I'm very sorry. I am not being this is how you Ali. No can't do that. The lines taken out. Let's pass it doesn't matter. Oh. A sport. They'd be saying calling them by the last name ALI'S alley. You say I'll either thinking Muhammad no offense as I'm glad I got Gary because there's not an iconic Gary. You. Yeah. Me. I would I'm cool with with any richer grant ones. I'll be lost. Because I haven't seen the movie, but any of those other four. Yeah. My do they brought it. Okay. They brought it night category. Actress in a leading role read them off who Ulitsa apprecia- Roma guys Romo Glenn Close in the wife. Olivia Colman in the favourite lady Gaga stars born born. Can we talk? Oh, no. You know, what I could understand? What was going on online is like we should be practicing showing him that as a couple? We can't present the Oscar, but you're so bossy bed. That's why I was doing a you talk. I'm not bothering try jumping Wang. I'm doing I have a smooth podcast. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Read the lady Gaga on McCarthy. Can you ever forgive me? Which clearly gotta see that's the second mama nation. And we predict the winner will be. The only one I've seen is a star is born. Oh, no, the wife, Glenn Close was excellent. Was that about she? Her husband won, a noble, a Nobel Pri peace prize for literature, and she was writing all his stuff that'd be like a comedian being funny in the whites right and all his jokes. Well, yes. So she finally had it with him. But that movie is freaking good. So if you see that I watched that on the airplane. It was good. You Glenn Close gonna win. Gosh. She was good. I don't think the Roma. I just don't think that there should be nominated for anything Oscar-worthy. So sorry. It was a good movie though. Like, I said, I really thought lady Gaga did a great job. And when I saw a star is born I was like, oh my God. It deserves an Oscar Oscar Oscar, and then I went on a see some of these other fantastic movies. So I don't know how I feel. But I I really liked Gaga in it. If they caught her name, I wouldn't be mad. Glenn Close guys you so good has been closed over one on Oskar. I don't know. Look that up. I'm gonna look it up. So we'll get done with this. I'm gonna look it up. Okay. Who's that one at the bottom most McCarthy? Bridesmaids comedian. Yeah. I know I left me. My actress can you ever forgive me? Okay. So I got that. Yeah. We gotta watch for the Oscars. But okay. So clearly all only got own goal was lady Gaga. Okay. I'm gonna go. Let it go. But I I'm d- secretly. I'm kind of open for Melissa McCarthy because he's a she started in comedy lyceum, people is on comedy and make it and also when when people win and most thing who's going to give the best speech really always think who's going to give up all be like, I think. Marsha Ali will give impactful speeds if he won I think Sam Elliott would probably get a huge ovation. But it's bringing them very feel like, you know, just. Quid a one this Bradley, gray screwing, right? A is. I just keep a living. We'll go on him alive. And appreciate. No, hold of the walk off by from boots on Mike one of them cowboy Tassell things. Yeah. I saw now I saw him in a movie. Jeez. I think it was on Netflix where he was playing like now struggling actor an actor still auditioning, and it would just showing like the process you go through on an audition not knowing what's going on in your personal life that can affect your audition. And literally he rehearses with the buddy of his for this big role as agent calls, and he's got it. He I mean, he reads it it's dramatic part and his buddies, and they're in tears like at his house is reading with them. And he goes in to read for the producers and everybody, and they said, you wanna script you that got it? And he had it rehearsed. And he just every he started to do the audition and just other should start popping in his head. He was going through. And he broke down the million addition he's sorry in into calls agent leg-up fucked up. He's gonna what happened and it was just like God. I just felt that no one that I've given some terrible. While you have to show your personal stuff comes forward or you're not prepared. Like, I'm I'm readily a I'm very clear to my agency. Do when I'm when I'm doing live auditions I can't do two in one day. I'm just not seasoned enough as an audit auditions are different than acting acting as if when you're on set, and it's a dance your other people this you're kind of by yourself, and there's an art form there's people that are really good auditioners. And I'm just like I'm just not there where I can I can do big scenes and due to auditions in one day. I just can't get some emotional. Just gotta get the lines. And you want to who the character is. And you don't want to mess up. So I literally have to like, I have the I don't know. I get nervous and auditions I don't get nervous. When I'm on set. We're us on set. And I got the part. I'm good metaphor worked with him. But I'll dishes, I still get nervous. When I got large ones. So I still get nervous on if you walk. Into the holding room in UC like other people that you may have more experience or do, you know what I mean, they're all Donald get nervous about that? It's just again the room. You're by yourself. No, I don't mind. That's good. I'm always just for comedies. It's not dramas dramas, probably different. You have to be doing their feelings in that hallway kill magin showing. I've ever. Only on this. I've ever job which I sat there was Django. Why Saul like they wanted you for like every character one of my favorite movies cracks me up to this day. Okay. That was like my part was serious. And I didn't know it was like a comedy somebody. I've always just a draw you lost apart seen it at a movie and thought you could have done a much better job everyone every though moving one that got away. Oh, no question. Barbershop? Barbershop new plan the white, Barbara, my it was no it wasn't Michael rebel war. Is it? It wasn't my grandma before it was it was Jane Fonda son somebody vote because I don't know. No, don't do that don't do that. Because I might work with people. You can't you can't. You said somebody forget, you're my wife. Troy garrity. Bo ever, look it up. Now back up on ballers now on HBO show. He's a good actor. But when I I couldn't get the audition for that I had like all derailed was calling. And all these other people was like, do we gotta get you in may over new cast it who cast him in held up Damian. I would just like, you know, I didn't have good representation of the time. Now, I'd be able to get it. Because I'm with UTA. I got a great agency. But back then I didn't have it. And they just said they not they gave me every excuse why they couldn't see me they go. Well, they got him. You know, they got him. He's supposed to be like twenty three years old. I'm twenty five and they was like, well, they got him down as six foot. I'm six to like every reason they gave me was just a BS, and I couldn't and I still got I got the sides. I was ready for I was just waiting for them to be like gear they need you an hour. I was going to be ready. What are you doing on the phone? I'm not. Can you focus? I am. And I was ready for the mission. And I just never got it. And I was like dang it. And then I had like little ad-lib 's little thing. And then when I saw the movie I go, I'm literally mine minute as I saw you be like. Better than you have been you waiting for my, and I I had a lower rate for my big white. Yeah. I like a line like that. And then I was like he never said, I go this big way. Oh, that was was in the script. I made that a. All right, so bad actor leading row, which is great. I can't Christian bale and vice Bradley Cooper stars born William Defoe at eternity is gate Rami Malik for bohemian rhapsody and Vigo Mortenson green book. Oh, I think. Bahamian rhapsody or green book VO's good, really? See I think Romney won all the other ones Golden Globes and all that stuff. Well, I think it should be between those two I loved Bradley Cooper in. It was so good. It was so good. Okay. So really any three of those. I wouldn't have a price a problem with now you said you saw vice so you wouldn't have a Christian Bale's, usually good and everything. Yeah. He's good. I forgot it was him. And I met big Chamie. So let me tell you something. I haven't seen the movie, but I did see the preview when they said Christian bale. I was like what I mean. I really had to pay attention because he you do forget just in that short little trailer that that's Christian bale. So don't forget Sam Rockwell. He was so good as George Bush who just sitting there. Preview, but they're so good and everything San Rocco favorite actor. Any of those I'm at Dick Cheney when I was in the navy. I was an honor guard so Bill Clinton just got inaugurated, and they did like a farewell dinner party for George Bush and Cheney was there at that time. I don't know what he was secretary of defense or something something and it just ended up. He's sick in all our hands, and I'm an honor guard. So we're we're done with the parade and done being being, you know, whatever presentable we're actually just relaxed now he just walked up my where you from Ohio because. Gonna end the conversation, usually Ohio and Cincinnati using ends conversations for some reason. I was like oh people say about I remember, I was like this Ohio. Cincinnati goes just get the movement. Sells my I've met them. But it was a real brief from Ohio Cincinnati. Shaked his answer. Because. You're gonna be the vice have made after his life. I didn't know at the time. I didn't know. So I for. I want to see Bradley Cooper when because I feel like he hasn't been winning is the nominate and I feel like in his brain. This was his baby. This was the one that he was like for the law. I want to get this movie made. And I think he in his mind, I made all the right steps to get made. I got the right co stars in everything he goes. And I think he just put so much into it. And it means so much to him. I just think it would mean more than everybody else. And and I'm okay with him voice in he's disappointed. He didn't win a lot of you'll be like, no. I'm just having to beer it. Don't mean, you're upset somebody else one. But you're just like I'm disappointed like dice clay made a comment where he said, you know, don't worry about it or something very like almost. It's it came off as little cold, Bradley Cooper alls. I, you know, you're good ride better scripts or do a better movie next something on we are. But I just know how much that. The movie meant to Bradley Cooper. So I think him winning would mean everything to help. We're not lasts for Christian bale or Romney or Vigo. But this was Bradley's baby. Like, he directed it. Well, and I think he was a nominated as a director a book or let's look while. I think he did an interview with Oprah and said that he was very disappointed. He wasn't nominated. But he took it more personally. Like, maybe there's something he coulda did better. So he really felt bad about that. Yeah. And that's why because I think he and I think lady Gaga when she showed her disappointed when she didn't win on one of them, go to grocers one of them. She didn't win. I'm okay with that. I'm okay. It's not like, you're you're downgrading the other performances or anything. It's just I think would lady Gaga when she spoke about it. I think in her brain, she was like, I I would I couldn't do anything better or different. I gave everything to this character. And in by with it doesn't win Oscar. What does he think they think that they missed around on a movie? No, the huge crush him. Yeah. No. I don't the way she the movie is over. But the way she still looking at him and talking about him at the she has a big crush could be. Photonic crush now. She wants to fuck Bradley Cooper. Oh, okay. I'm just that now. No, okay. I'm not look why why are you talking about people that I want to work with one day because if this ever comes back you can't come to set me you're saying don't come to set. If I get a movie, Bradley Cooper date. Go coming common. You are banned lady Gaga relic maker from the show. If I get a movie you guys up over talk me for real. Give me a moment to talk go. It's my show. There is no way since I was much show do it. Which was I go here. If I ever get a movie lady Gaga, Bradley Cooper. You're not coming to set. His nobody's pulling this interview up. Okay. The likelihood of their being stars born to it's probably not very likely together. I mean separately I outlook. I got a question, Bradley Cooper. So I'm definitely going to be there to this interview. Okay. You screwed your source AFA, we already so we're going to be shooting in Rome watch all I'm definitely there. Hang backyard of wrote most romantic city on we send your pictures. You ain't gonna be there. By the watching this pocket. They didn't know Kim a heart head tweets and that mug got nominated. Also, they pulled them tweet though from ten years ago, they find everything can you? I don't know who date is. But they find everything the fact that you put out there lady Gaga, I wanna fuck Bradley Cooper, this tough. What should be like this? I'll tell you podcast. They wanna fuck. I'll be like. Okay. Kenny. She did know she did want to. I'm not saying they did Keiko. Have our best directors rarely Cooper Dingane nominated for direct instead of Roma. Okay. Spike, Lee, black klansman who. How Powell Cousy Cold War Iago's lamb theme, oath, the favourite Roma? Affonso cure, cure, Roma suit 'em spectacle, Adam McKay. Vice I don't know who this is my problem. I don't know. Who's the presented bring out the best director, but good luck. With those aims pot tots. Paddock house gay like literally. That'd be my luck. Gary wants to present the Oscars. Sweet best director got it. Holy shit. I'll be like Kenya. I wasn't prepared Spike Lee up for, you know, just for personal reasons I'm rooting for Spike Lee because he should have won it for do the right thing. And I think this I honestly, I think this might be their way of making it, right? It was good though. It was a good movie. But okay, I hope Spike Lee for that. And I did not see Cold War or the will have a problem if Rama wins. I'm sorry. But. Ooh. Shall we? Go with these other nominees. Nobody cares that much about on TV best documentary free solo HALE county this morning this evening, minding the gap. Rby g of follows turns. He was really good who's at. What is that? But what is that are we? Yeah. She sits on the supreme court. Makeup and hairstyling. We don't care music. Oh, yeah. No way. Okay. Black Panther black klansman if Beale street could talk Mary Poppins returns, I'll dogs. Okay. That okay. I was like whereas stars born you there it is there. Okay. This is what we want. Okay. What music original song, which is one song? All the stars do Amar. Al fight Rb g the place where lost things go from Mary puppets. Shallow from stars born not done when a cowboy trades his Spurs her weeks. Obviously, I'm I think shell that's a that's jam. I love shallow. But I like the all stars to Ruth baby shy and new at remember the song. Michelle Shalah Lou in the. Bad far from the shadow, and then Bradley Cooper was really signature yet. You know, he's doing like little concert tour that do contain. Yeah. He's a little concert in the shy had Lou. So in this Shad sharla Lou with old partner. All right. Good good movie. I don't I listen to all of the songs on a star is born. Although one of the diner, I'm alone. Now, we go some there. Okay. Yeah. That was a good. Rebel? I just ride thong on piece paper. I blame him ahead. Who's here? Tinting to I'm alone in my house. The segue. Also. Did you download Black Panther soundtrack? No. I know. I just do like three songs. I liked can the Dhamar in then Ruth baiter RPG. You didn't you didn't all stars jam to Sibanda? All the stars of spoon. I always think something. My cut is I've been doing driving sip. It. All the stars the hook that on the hook king of song. Okay. Well, that is a good song Civetta. All the stars spoke obvious stirs. Can wants the concert is over seventy classic. It's going to be between those two shallow and all the stars. Okay. From the fuck would you know one wins? And you're like this. I told you to. Those two. I mean, they're five nominees are nominated. I whatever I made it between those who would have gonna be like this. This is this is Candace. Those win shallow will win. She goes told you data those two you don't know who is third who was saying. That's what they should do what the Oscars should always tell you who is third and second. And what was the numbers in the voting? They did it with the hall of fame and all that stuff. I wish we knew. Okay. So now, we're through all the nominee. Look at all these dumb ass categories who shit. There's so much going on. We're gonna have to sit through all right now. Now, we got through all that. Now. Let's go to best fill and Black Panther black klansman bohemian rhapsody, the favourite green books sell fucking debt Roma stars born vice I think greenberg's gonna win you think is gonna win. God that movie was so good. When I tell you guys if you haven't seen it, go see would you like best about it? Because we honestly when I liked what Masha llah what's his name. I was done talking again. I thought you said the question was what did you like most about it? But I was gonna explain why we saw the movie. Okay. No. It was a pause thought the question Mark, always give me a second. No, we win saw it on a whim because it was like a Tuesday night. And I wasn't home that much, and I was like, dude, let's go see a movie tonight. And we went and saw it. And honestly, neither of us knew what to expect. I didn't. I just knew it was like a all the her was an unlikely friendship in the sixties, and that's all black guy white, dude. So I am no idea what to expect. Did you? You could talk. Now. Go ahead. Tables yours. No, I didn't know what to expect. But I loved his character. I loved how he's spoked, and it was some it was, you know, some some comedy towards it. It was like a drama D. And I loved Vigo in it. It was as good. I mean, I would go see that you know, two or three more times. And I'm not one to go see a movie more than once. I get what I need. I'm good. I'm gone, but I would love to go see that again, who is your favorite scene in the movie. Ooh, my favorite scene in the movie. I liked when he corrected him a lot. But who who corrected who what was his name character name? Marcy. Dr shirley. Good. It was good. Let me, but you're sucking read this for you. So you can expand thorough part was is when they were at the restaurant they are to perform a show for Christmas. And they wouldn't let him eat in the main dining room, they had him on the side. And this is win. I think for me it. Okay. He really has a lot more respect for Vigo than he said when he says, what do you want me to do in big oil says let's get the fuck outta here. Whatever he says, but he was willing to eat in that little bitty dressing room or eat someplace else, so that they wouldn't leave because if he left Vigo doesn't get paid. He only gets paid for the shows that he performs. So I thought that was a very important Saint I'm gonna have to amount to help you explain things because when you explain things you explain them like everybody's all the movie. If you didn't see the movie, let me break down with my wife just said, I'm trying to help you out bay. Thank you. So this film synopsis. Dr dollar surely is an accomplished concert pianist. He hires a talion American bouncer. Tony lip to drive him during his nineteen sixty tour of the south as protection against the racism, the he as an African American certain to encounter despite their differences. Dr Shirley, and Tony discover that they enjoy spending time together and have much to learn from each other. So it Kenya. Saying is her favorite scene in the movie is the last stop of this tour through the south and they've been gone for eight weeks straight is in Birmingham, Alabama and the guy he Dr Shirley, always performed for like all these elite white audiences that because he's such a brilliant pianist, they don't necessarily like black you, but they love his music. So everywhere they go. He's always got a he's got sit in some back room and get dressed in like some closet. It doesn't get. Eat whereby gets to eat a lot of the times. Right. They want to use the bathroom. He has to go out back an outhouse. So this particular, what are you saying you're here for it? Only happened at this particular stop unknown getting to that. No it happened Elbert. Remember, he drove to the hotel to take a piss, but some best the green book, the green book say what hotels and stuff because. You know, there was there was a scene where he's he's a bathroom. The guy said the Al house is back there. He had Tony drive him to the hotel. He goes, I'm not using a house. And then they drove back that one though case of saying that happens. Okay. But you said like all the time. It didn't happen all the time when they went out to eat and everything all the time all the time it happened. Okay. Anyways. I'm right. She's round it usually. But so they're in Birmingham. It's the last stop of the tour and. He no like Dr Shirley like had enough. Like, he's sitting his back hall closet broom closet. They want him to eat there to get dressed there. And he went into go eat and keep mine. He's only got two people in his band. He's got like a cello west. And and he doctor shows a piano, we've got cellist in like, what are we have? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And they always get to eat. We're all the the elite the white a leader. And then Vigo who's like Tony lip is the most uneducated unlike sophisticated guy you wanna meet he gets eaten there. But Dr Shirley who is a refined educated man doesn't get the eat there. And so he Birmingham. He just had enough. He's like, I don't I'm not gonna I'm not gonna perform in less. I get to eat in the dining room. And the guy goes will. You're not gonna be here. And then he got real smart with Tony lip and toilet pin? This guy against the wall. And then Dr Shirley was like Tony. I don't hurt him. And then he goes he goes, what do you want me to do? Tony. He didn't say Tony goes. What do you want me to do this get fuck outta here? So they left. So Dutch say doesn't perform Tony lip doesn't get paid either. But it was such a good movie. I didn't know he was. Gang. You said you knew it knew he was gay. You could. I mean, really anybody Dr Shirley's gay. Sorry. Tony lip isn't getting. Yeah. Doctor if you watch his mannerisms and the way he speaks you'll know he's gay. I I didn't. I thought he was educated in refined. I didn't know he was gay. I think my favorite scene in the movie, and I'm one of those guys like. I had I had to say I what were they the end. When Dr Shirley, Tony live told him to come up, and you real- you see how Dr Shirley has all kinds of money his traveled the world, but it's Christmas, and he's by himself and his beautiful -partment above Carnegie Hall any. It's it's loan. You just feel his long in this. And you see as an entertainer how it can be lonely on the road. Emmy being a comedian a lot of times, I'm just sitting in my hotel by myself and people think you've got a bunch of friends, and you're just like no usually by yourself because your your guards up. You don't you don't trust a lot of people for one you'll know what their motives are. But and then you see Tony lip. He comes home and little -partment and the Bronx, and it's like his family's air, they're eating everybody's they're all these great Italian meals and dishes, and everybody's happy is home, and they're cutting up and everything. And you see him stand up for Dr Shirley like, so my mates a. A a rude comment for Dr Shirley eight he liked corrects them don't call him that. And and then Dr Shirley shows up at Tony lips house. He liked took him up on the offer to come in. And I thought it was a little nice gesture when Sebastian medico does a good job in the be. He's going to get this guy. See, and they just completely invite him in to their -talian home to have a tab Christmas dinner down my favorite, and then farther dramatic part, which I bet you they showed the Oscars when he's nominated is the scene in the rain where he said he's gonna walk in toilet. Because we do a doc. What are you doing? He goes. I don't fit in anywhere. He goes, I don't fit in with the people on performing because I'm black. He has I don't fit in with black people because Ed to refine he and he's gay. He goes, I don't fit in anywhere. I don't have a group, you know. And I was like, hey that was. It was the I do think that the movie did a really good job. 'cause throughout the movie really DA, especially once they got at road trip. You really did feel just how alone he was, you know, for him to have all these accomplishments in you know, you really did feel his loneliness which I thought they did a really good job man when he ate that fried chicken, though, it's funny 'cause okay, Dr Shirley's black, but he's never eaten fried chicken. And but frigging Tony lip sees Kentucky. Driving through Kentucky. Heels Kentucky Fried Chicken and Kentucky the chances in. And they grab this. You see Tony Vigo crushing this Abuk? Right. And he tried to give a piece to buck. Shirley, that's burp on my. He just gives us. All right. If discussion he he gives me, Dr Shirley and UC dogs for like this disgusting. And you see like the grease in the gristle, the wait. They had the perfect pieces of fried chicken. And then he took a bite. He was like game changer. Let me start killing that chicken. Make goes what do we do with the bone? You're just thrown out the window. What he throws it out the window and Tony lip. It's okay. Because that's about a great -able bones and chicken and then toilet through his soda drink out the car, the Conrail, comfortable and marshawn made them go back and get it. It's not gonna litter. Yes. It was just great the role reversals. It was nothing when I thought it would be and just how Tony lip who's a bouncer unsophisticated. Did he just didn't judge him? I mean, he did judge them. But he did he didn't judge them in a way where he was like looking down on like, even when he got the chicken, your people love talking about their fried chicken until you people loved it wasn't being like a jerk about it. He really just was like going off stereotypes. Now, they broke everything down such a good movie. I hope it wins for Oscar sodden off. We just made you want to see that movie or safe that movie, but. Why why would they say fuck that movie because we explained the whole movie, we really explained the home movie? It's still a matter, which is your story. So it's not like it's not like the sixty three bell hold up. It's inspired by a true story in the only reason I say that I want to emphasize that is because the family was very upset how Dr Shirley was portrayed. So I don't clearly says in the beginning of the film, inspired by, you know, the true story of so that it doesn't mean every single, you know, it's a movie for God's sake. So anyways, but I don't know what they were mad about. But I don't know the the the real story of Dr Shirley, or you know, I didn't read that article either just rid hit lie, but anyways, so it's inspired by Coney lip. Yeah. I don't know. It was really good. It was. But thank you stars was good to man. It was good. I will. I want. It was good. Yeah. See that once more. It's just nice there were so many. It's you know, the cool thing about the Oscars is so many comedians involved in the movies. I green book had Sebastian and then stars born had dice, clay, Dave Chapelle, and and see the other ones and it has now. But as I'm about a integral part. Is so small just like any Griffin's was so small like Sebastian was in the green book. You know what I mean? I mean Chapelle as far was a big, but he the scenes he was in. He was in. So it's just cool to see comedians in these Oscar-nominated films that aren't comedies that are dramas. Oh, that's kinda like a Kevin. And what's movie he's in? Yes. Yeah. You haven't seen that? But I wanna see that. I'm familiar with. See Kevin outside of Kevin, you know, the the regular person he usually played pay plays in a film. So I'm excited. I do want to see that movie. See how that goes who's earning? There wasn't any comedians of Black Panther. No. Diet none egg on it. But now this car most McCarthy's nominated. Yeah. She she wasn't ever stand up. She just like a comedic actress. But she was way comedic vary. I mean, some Tammy some of them stupid movie, she was in stupid or funding funny. Stupid fun. Stupid stupid for so good for her. Let me see I got to see what this movie's even about we we sound like we sound like the worst. Oscar critics ever we're not critiquing the thing and be okay here. It is. I was thinking film synopsis as Lee Israel McCartney plays a biographer fallen on hard times he discovered that. She has a talent. Should put on by brain. I'm sorry, I'm unprofessional. As Lee is your Melissa McCarthy plays a biographer fallen on hard times discovers. She has a talent for forging letters allegedly written by famous authors. Doesn't really say. Pleasantly surprised so we will see that one too got nominated Richard E grant and hers, so must be halfway decent. And then no host. So let's see how that works. But I used to look what is your favorite Oscar host of all time mine's easy. I know mine is really I think Chris rock did a good job your favorite. I don't know if he's the Martin. He always feels it for me. Eight years ago that he's done like three or four times. I don't remember him. He paired up with Billy crystal Steve is so good. What's the? Somebody else. I think does good job. He's a white guy. Really James Franco court on who's the guy that does even go bear. No. James corden. Yeah. Didn't he's never host. It only been around for a couple years though. He probably will one day. He's on me around a couple of years. Kim was cool. Steve Martin was he every time. He doesn't his deadpan be killing me. It's not even out what he says. It's how he says it like he was like he brought up like like Alpa chino one time. Right. He goes you see you've seen this next guy. He was funny. He goes, I don't know if Al Pacino he was like he was amazing. Let's say deniro was amazing in text driver. He was it was unbelievable in Cape fear. Nobody could ever play. You know, heat the way he did. And they like this. And he was he was amicable and meet the fuckers. Cities amicable the way he just brought it down say this. So good liver SOGA like ozzy's. He's my favorite Ostos amicable. Have something else. Yeah. Yeah. He really he was was. Somehow his word that meant average. Okay. He was average. But he wouldn't say average he has like he got the job done. He was suffice adequate. That's what he said adequate addict. Yeah. He said he that's what he said. He goes crazy a little stupider super who's adequate and meet the black the fuckers. The fuckers. I always put my movie in there, adequate which which made the book beat the blacks meet the black to coming out here, but it won't be nominated for an Oscar. BT award. And the way C P here, we come. Meet the bags one. I thought it was good. It was good out at that. Good. Bucks is gonna be twice. And I really did. I I caught some parts of it that I missed before. Which is how I feel about green book. I think they're going to be some parts that I've may have missed in. I catch we're you should see vice and will before the Oscars. I think I think I'm on a plane soon. So I'll see it. That's the thing. Delta. They get the awesome. They get it's like February came and also making all the Oscar films on the thing. And I was like bam. Bam. Bam. That's all I saw the hotel royale trouble, the hotel row that was good on the plane was really really good. If you haven't seen that that was really good long. Good. What did you think that was a long movie? No when I saw it on the plane. I was down on the plane. Yeah. The wife is on the plane. I didn't see that. Because I didn't think it was interesting. But I I guess I was wrong. Yeah. Go watch that it didn't interest me. But yeah, they got they got most of the Oscar movies right there on the plane now. Yeah. That was dope aren't ya? Well, our ring went off, which we love by the way at the house. Did it the ring it went off there? It's funny. When we were we live. We got the doorknob called the ring, and I can be on the road, and I can see everybody comes in and my house. So if you have a question about your spouse or significant other heaven people in the house that you don't want their company, they keep you might wanna get the ring. 'cause I can see everything. And this is what I've taken out of the ring are sorry. That is what I've taken out of the ring. Our son takes our dog out on average, forty five seconds. Every time. I take the dog. It takes a couple of minutes to take a piss not with my son, forty five seconds. So I gotta fill in that dog ain't pissing like it should in our house. 'cause my some of that I take around do you litter you walk out and walked back in. It's like you get out of sight and he's right back in. He don't give her no time to run around the yard just have fun. Let's go in come back in and yesterday. Dad went off because I found a third in our house, and you wanna see me, I can crazy. Let me find some piss turt- dog Turner's dog piss on the carpet. I go I go from zero to one hundred fast and one time king. I'm record you because you sound crazy. Please do because I want them to know take goddamn dog out. And if I may have recorded how act when I find dog shit or piss on the carpet as like some people be like crazy about if he'd be like, I get it. I especially when you got a new house. You know what I mean? And you on also turned yesterday zero to one hundred and nobody said a word my son try to give a smart ass remark. But he got dealt with. So he's limping at school today. So how you want it? You got served eighteen any child abuse. That's a grown man living in my house on me. I could I could punch you can punch. You you eighteen put you in your face. You can't call. You can't go and take services that's grown literally the customer you had a grown man with. I want. My is buddy the cost me looking at like, you had a grown man Whoopi. We'd been a man up take Deng out. Yeah. And we tell we they have to take the dog out through the front door because in that way, we can monitor if they really taking the dog out and for how long so sometimes he'll try to say, oh, not him up the bag or to continue on to line. I tell them it doesn't count. He live has got front door. God. Why do so the ring is in on the garage not yet? But I heard that they do this. That you can't make some people in. Figuring out the Owens house. The neighbors over. The back renowned has like these the cameras where you can put at your garage and other places so we're just going to stick with the front back side door. I just say every door, so yeah. And we're in a gated community. We are way too much stuff going on. You would think we live in a bad neighborhood play the ring a gated community. You think we're being protected from everything, you know. 'cause you this is what I know. I was born Oakland, California. I lived in the acorn at one point. I was at the corner of ninety eight the MacArthur. No seriously. So, you know, like, I did I did not ever live in a community where you just left your windows and your doors unlocked or open Dessus that was his never my we've always had alarms. You know, even in acorn. Okay. That was a tenement. We had an alarm. Okay. So I that's how I live to this day. We do not leave our doors unlock- on Abby back in five minutes. Okay. When five minutes you renew doorbell knowledge back in I just I don't get down like that in the mid west. Everybody's door is unlocked real, it's not. No, it's not every stereotype on us unlock because their neighbors. You're going off my mom step this house. Nothing's ever happened. Got nothing by what wind up windows. So the breeze can come. They leave him open at night. So walk security check at night. So check them windows. Awesome is in charge of security. Somebody will walk the enemy. If they walked in the the trailer parks, they'd be like this a man, we're good. I really got good, man. I got this house. They got lawn chairs. Ever be over-protected. That we don't leave our doors open like that in the mid one. Who does who does a lot of people didn't walk through a lot of people's houses who your name one everybody in your family? No name one everybody in your name. Air you name announced they if they do it or not, I don't know. I think I walked into Linda's house before I think I've walked into twice. Life doors is house before doors the door unlocked in mind, when it was cool. I said your mama's house when it was cool, my mom, but they don't have anything. I think your daddy leases d'oro. No, he does not know they I'm not saying. Dome. About to say is that they don't do it like at night in if they're not home. But I do catch myself because I do they do leave it leave him open at night, and when not home I just do now, though, the black people the few black people I did run into in. The midwest are locked in doors to protect a little shit that we got. Okay. So that's think why people are much more trusting of the neighbors than the rest of us depends on live in just saying nobody's adoring logged. Oh, my mom does. And that's where you took all that from because he was quick to be like, oh, actually the windows on renew. My mom will turn on the air conditioner that. Oh, oh, you drive me. Crazy, come home. Like god. Dang. It is eighty-five degrees in this house was a stupid sleeping. I'll Sweatman shift. Good law. Turn the air on mom, but they have a lot of fans like the plug in fans. Deign to same out. I'm your saying there are a lot of like every time. I walked through target kick. Those fucking fans over I grew up on that ship has a really good one though, you know, what else does central air this turned on God have central air trailer. Yeah. Remember window air, those windy had fans we had fans of the air condition. Units witness hurt room in. Oh, okay. Because there's still a lot of those fans that like go into the window. A boy completely. A dark place. Sorry completely. We're we are rooting for green book. Green both win. Best picture Spike Lee to win. Best director Bradley Cooper to win best actor as room for and best supporting actor. I think you should go to Sam Rockwell things can go the same Elliott. But I'd be okay. If anybody off the green book one the all the performances were amazing. I sorry. I didn't see the favourite. And yes, you misspelled favorite. Is you in it? So into the movie people is to favor. Rod. I don't know how you pronounce it. All right. This one with the gift zone podcast, say goodbye Kenya. Gary on with the gift some pockets. Oh, Gary I want to get some pockets still got less worded. She doesn't want to stop. She doesn't want to stop. If you wanna listen to my podcast, just go to IT tunes. Search Gary past tag. Get some.

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A 'Creepshow' That Embraces Gore

The Frame

27:06 min | 1 year ago

A 'Creepshow' That Embraces Gore

"And Mackenzie rebel Wilson Stephen Merchant and Alfie Allen in select theaters Friday hod casting supported by Fox searchlight presenting Joe Joe Rabbit an anti-war podcasting supported by Fox searchlight presenting Joe Joe Rabbit an antiwar satire directed by tyco Itt and starring Scarlett Johansson Sam Rockwell Thomas on Wednesday popular video game fortnight went dark everything got sucked into a mysterious Augagne that appeals to young players as well as adults what is it about fortnight that kind of crosses those demographic lines why has it been so night disappeared into a black hole over the weekend we'll talk about the games impact and what if anything comes next then director Roxanne Benjamin on the scale from the Mon Broadcast Center at KPCC This is the frame. I'm John Horn today showed the blockbuster video game are- sounds of the new horror anthology series creepshow when you're on set and you're making genre so much of it has to do with the soundscape and well just before as you said eleven o'clock Pacific Time the meteor in the game which appeared at the beginning of season ten sons egg noses all that coming up on the frame over the weekend about eleven o'clock on Sunday morning to be exact the name came to a stop and there was just that a shimmering black hole there was no explanation and that was the end of the game black hole this is the sound from Fort Nights livestream the publisher epic games dubbed the event the end but is it really todd Spangler is aim at least for now so my two kids who are nineteen and fifteen don't play a lot of online games but they used to play fortnight covering the story for variety todd welcome to the show thanks for having me so if I was playing fortnight yesterday what would have happened to me with the game have stopped midstream Lee became active and Set off a reaction that sucked everything into oblivion no one was sure what had happened it the it's just really found traction because it's free to to play anybody can just downloaded or start playing right away so it's become and then they didn't play it so much so let's talk about the trajectory of the game itself it has been wildly popular is it still as no official word yet on what's going to happen next but there's the next campaign presumably coming up and there haven't been any details the expectation is that EPIC Games won't overplay its hand here and return post-haste so to use a movie analogy generating buzz for this game which is already hugely popular I mean here we are talking about it and wondering what they do next but announce what might be coming next but it would really boggle the mind if they just shut down the game and that was it I was talking to a couple of kids only does such a wide swath of the game plan audience I think it is a really entertaining game to play a lot of humorous elements in it it's team culture and you know it became a popular there've been a couple of dances out of the game that have become memes themselves and you know it's a big category on Youtube he has there been any indication of what epic Games is planning to do why they made the game go away what's what's been reported in what has been rumored there's aims are they just waiting refreshing their screens is there any news about when it actually might return no for now people are sitting and waiting or the the building that sense of tension through music through score through silence and Wendy break that silence at a nineties pop punk star reckons with a frightening what's going on here so if people really can't get through the day without playing fortnight which is a statement on its own what are they doing now are they looking for other those feels like this is the latest star wars movie it's doing really good business and then Disney announces they're pulling the film from theaters in the middle of its run this social online interactive activity for a lot of people you know I think what epic Games is doing here is pretty smart in terms of and you know there's the promise of you know brand new experience brand new environment and you know they're trying to set some excitement here for what the next big version of the game looks like Todd Spangler is the New York digital editor at variety he joined us from the variety news room to get more industry news it's not my own children over the weekend and they said like four night isn't as good as it used to be so for players who have given up fortnight onto a new game here so you know we'll see how long fortnight and epic games played this game with their fans and and before the might this be a way to kind of bring them back into the fold absolutely and that's I think part of the intent here where they're literally rebooting the game we've thrown up their hands and they said okay we're going to try a different game and anecdotally you see people expressing their frustration and saying they're going to they're going to in two hundred and fifty million users who tune in at various times to play the thing that certainly has struck me is this is a multigeneration along with brothers Joe and Willie told us back in two thousand seventeen one day he was forced to go electric we got the newport folk festival everybody's equipment both best how I started playing electric Bass George Chambers was eight years old amount what season eleven might be or what it will look like or when it will come back so people are sitting on the edge of their seat trying to guess on other platforms for people sharing and talking about the game it's really built this huge fan culture and you know the hope is mm-hmm after serving in the Korean War George who was the oldest brother relocated his siblings from Carthage Mississippi to Los Angeles he along with Leicester Willie and Joe Deals was maybe a year ago it's still going strong yes it's extremely popular and EPIC Games the company that publishes it says the more UH coming up a hard director on the making of the new series creepshow Oh formed the Chambers Brothers Gospel Quartet that incorporated psychedelic rock music early in the band's live George was playing Washtub Bass but as doc generation from the day filled with practical effects in a fair amount of viscera director and horrify master Greg Nicotera also worked on the walking dead heads up the show who's going to variety dot com. Todd thanks so much for coming on the show thank you tape now we'd like to say farewell to George Chambers

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#202: Hitler Heil-arity, Pt. 2: Jojo Rabbit

The Next Picture Show

1:11:42 hr | 1 year ago

#202: Hitler Heil-arity, Pt. 2: Jojo Rabbit

"We keep the line between the past. You believe there's someone out of the past and and turn take possession of a True Path not through with us. Welcome welcome back to the next picture. Show a movie the week podcast to a classic film in the way it shaped our thoughts on recent release. I'm Scott Tobias here again with Tash Robinson and genevieve Kofsky on our last episode. So we talked about Mel Brooks the producers which broach the sticky question of how to make a comedy around it. All Hitler on this episode. Were being Joe Joe Rabbit tyco tease controversial. The all new coming of age film about a ten year old German boy named Joe Joe Bessler in the waning days of World War. Two Joe Lives alone with his caring mother. Rosie played by like Scarlett Johansson. And he's firmly. In the nationalist grasp of Nazi Germany. Thanks in part to his relationship to his imaginary friend at of Hitler played by. What T- t- while well in a Hitler Youth Training Camp Joe Develops a relationship? With a cynical captain Clinton dorf played by Sam Rockwell. But back home his loyalties are complicated by the discovery of Jewish girl. Hiding hiding in the upstairs crawlspace. Her name is Elsa core. Played by Thomas. Mackenzie and while Georgia's instinct is Turner in. He's persuaded that doing so would get his mother killed over time. Of course feeling start to change as he listens less to his imaginary friend in more to the girl in the crawlspace into his own developing conscience. It's at the same time. The war is starting to turn against the Nazis and dramatic fashion and a reckoning for Joe. Joe In the country is at hand will talk about how it all goes down after the break This episode of the next picture show is supported by skill share. You can join the millions of students already. Learning on skill share today with a special offer just for next picture show listeners. Get two months of skill share for free at skill share dot com slash. Next next picture boys will be involved in such activities as four-game ambush techniques Zimba stuff. I don't think I can use news. Of course you can on comes to edge. I had an imaginary friend coming in so much trouble. Take time to some growing up to ten year olds from celebrating war and talking politics. I wish more of a young boys had your blind fanaticism. Did he the juice might towers. You know if you saw one just like us. Josiah rabbit by TAIKA WAITITI whatever. You think. I saw this tiff. I wrote about it I talked on. NPR about it. So I I feel like I'm repeating myself feel like I've been on this hamster wheel for a a couple months now but I was pretty mixed on it like mixed to negative but not for the reasons that made a controversial not because of Tekoa. Td Playing Hitler. Not because of making trying to make Hitler funny all. I will say When I saw this a tiff I saw it back back with terrence malick a hidden life which is a twelve twenty hour? At least I'm show twenty hours exploration of needed to be. Ah God it's so long It's a terrible if they long and incredibly depressing exploration of the destruction of the life of an Austrian conscientious this objector by beloved slow crushing wheels of Hitler's Germany. and seeing the films back to back it's pretty much like you said in the in the first I episode with not reminding people what Hitler did because it makes it harder to take the comedy seeing Joe Giradi as this you know kind of like light hearted. Oh Oh Hitler is a like a wacky character. And then the just experiencing in a very large scale like the agonies of what he actually did people what his policies assisted to people What the heck did people really takes the humor? Out of it Nonetheless that wasn't really my problem with the film. My problem with the film was first. I that it starts as a pretty fun like unconventional playful. Kind of WES. Anderson Comedy Not Not just because of the setting is so reminiscent of Monroe Kingdom But because of the lateness and quirkiness and fussiness really of the setting of the the humor. There's a very you know new-zealand deadpan comedy that takeaway. Td has perfected That's very cultural Roland. Very specific to him that plays out Throughout the first third of the movie and I really enjoyed it once we get into the business with a girl in the attic suddenly. We're in a film that I've seen many many times and I'm pretty tired of I was fine with it when it was the boy in the striped pyjamas. I thought it was pretty badly done when it was the book thief but this idea of the German kid and the Jewish kid in the attic that needs to be protected or really just the friendship between a German kid a and a Jewish child has been done over and over and over as a way to explore Nazi Germany and the human cost of it and it just felt very trait to me. It felt very familiar and it felt overdone and sentimental intrigue really in a way that I didn't appreciate I thought Scarlett Johansson character was interesting and had a lot going on for her and the dynamic there was interesting so then the movie just kind of boots her out of the story and at the point where it does was it just starts becoming increasingly implausible for me that Joe Joe is able to keep any of this up the links that he goes to to keep his secret under control it all just kind of falls apart into like cliche and familiar mawkish sentiment for me and it just it really didn't live up to the potential either of the first third of the movie or just of every Tekoa T- film that I've seen up until now which I don't disagree disagree with some of the things you're saying tosh although I think I was more positive over all than you I really liked Scarlett Johansson in this movie and I found the mother son relationship they're much more engaging than the one between Joe and Elsa and was not particularly enamoured of how how the Joe Elsa a relationship resolved but I also wouldn't really go so far as to say that the movie becomes mawkish in the end I think that it remains fairly audacious up through the invasion by allied forces at the very end and setting aside the whole like we dance because we're free button which I think is definitely where you know treads until life is beautiful territory and in not pleasing way ah I think there is enough of that sort of deadpan humor that you're talking about juxtaposed with real images of horror through the end of the film that it keeps that sort of tonal tension going to the end in a way that that made it work for me I don't have no problems with his movie but I I overall enjoyed it I think what td is a very interesting assured filmmaker and that comes through here as for like the controversial aspects of this this movie. I'm you guys both side at Taffer. Just-you Tasha a just Tasha. I saw I just saw recently. Okay it seems like a lot of the narrative about at this being controversial came out of tiff. But I'm kind of having trouble putting my finger on specifically what the controversy is meant to be other than the fact that this is yet another another movie about a funny Hitler. which has this pairing shows? It's not the first one of so. It almost feels like the quote quote unquote controversy around. This movie is maybe a little bit of a marketing thing happening. But I would. I would like to be convinced from you. Know people who who have been perhaps more engaged in the conversation from an earlier. Point like wear. The controversies comes from here is the Sam Rockwell character. I I feel like it could maybe be there. I mean my understanding was it's not. It's not so much a controversy. As that's one of the few words we have in the English language for something that people disagree three about like our favorite word for it It was polarizing People critics and viewers alike either tend to love it or ten to hate it and and there are different reasons for that pope. Part of it is just a lot of people just find it offensive. Just find it taking lately things that should not be taken lightly the NPR show. That I was on To discuss this one of the other panelists was somebody highly placed at the Holocaust Museum and they brought him in just specifically to talk about like like the history of making light of the Holocaust in film and sort of where the dividing line Falls between making fun of victims and making fun of Like like big emotions. Essentially where where the line is between making fun of Hitler and making fun of the people who suffered under him so like part of it is definitely. He's sort of based around. Is it okay to joke about this. Which I think we're in a cultural moment where we're questioning that more than we ever have? Before but part it just flat out comes from the the sensation that a lot of people walked out of this movie like angry and resentful and hating it. And there doesn't seem this seems to be one of those films where there's not a ton of middle ground For people who are like that was an experience. Yes that's my reaction. I'm perplexed by people who would take the stance like Oh. This is just a offensive. I hate this thing. It's just it because I to me my issue with the film is that it's kind of weak sauce. I don't think it's nearly as provocative as it could be and should should be and it certainly doesn't live up to needing like a tagline like an anti hate satire. It's early a satire and I didn't really feel like it's agendas is necessarily anti hater feeling. It's it's almost like base covering on the part of the studio but I don't feel like the film is at all like you film. Life is beautiful. It's like Oh yeah okay. This film mm-hmm is really going for something and you can certainly see understand why people would react strongly against a movie like that but I mean there's a lot of sobering moments in this film. I mean you could say well you can if you can if you're going to say well it's minimizes Nazi Germany. I mean come on. This kid's mom is like hanging in the Public Square. I mean this is not this film delivers livers in that respect it. May It delivers the fear. That people are feeling I mean to me one of the scenes. The film I really like is when Stephen Merchant turns up with the Gestapo won't start searching the house and questioning people and you know everyone's making with how Hitler's and whatnot Is Kenny is coming down now. He stand on the landed usual. Very excited here sorry cute. He's become super social. He's not on a shy boy he's a little Brat so let's go back to that scene. I was talking about and hopefully Julius will Not Distract US too much more so yeah so so. That scene really captured what. I was missing for the rest of the movie which is a real tension between danger and comedy is. It's a very funny scene but there is that threat of just like this thing could unravel. It could be terrible for everybody. I mean because if this girl is found and this is that's bad for Joe and that's bad for the girl and that's bad for the the mother I guess who are going to be bad for anyway and I that was absent for the rest of the film of founded the film to be acute which which is not a lot of the time and then clawing for some of the other time. And it just didn't deliver for me a very strong experience. Either way I just. I felt needed to provoke more than it did. I just feel like I mean for me. Scarlett Johansson's death just in land at all it's meant to be This moment moment of of shocking loss and grief and power and for me. I'm just not sure that I can feel those kinds of emotions coming shortly on the heels of an extended in lengthy joke about where the Queen Julie's her eggs disbelievers so over the top in so many ways about misperceptions Russians of the other and what happens to the brains of people who are steadily fed a diet of propaganda. It's meant to be ridiculous like other things that Joe by rabbit believes are just so over the top and ludicrous in the same way that gene wilder and zero mastel seem to be in different movies. I I like rebel Wilson and Scarlett Johansson in this movie lake. Just they're they're on completely different planets in terms of what what their characters are trying to do like where they where they land How they work and I just for me like I enjoyed the comedy aspects of the film fine but pretty much any attempts to to head into hardcore heavy duty sentiment? I was like you're just in the wrong movie for this. You've set up apprentice. Who's in the right movie and not Scarlett Johansson? I rebel Wilson is in a completely different from everybody else including Sam Rockwell Allen. The Allen and I don't know that I would like that movie she she maybe she's in the producer's like she's definitely a completely different variety of movie of of comedy than an awful lot of this movie is operating I to me it. Just the whole movie feels disjointed. It's a whole bunch of parts that to me don't fit together at all you know who uh-huh definitely in Taiko T. movie and this movie Tekoa team yes but also archie gates who plays his friend Yorkie. I Dam Sterling. He's just such a quintessential like Taika waititi child character. You know and that aspect of his voice just comes out in that character very much for the wilder people type type of Kid I feel like there's a separate movie this just everything he's doing during Ms Film and it's a hunt for the wilder people type movie And it's much better than this one. I I mean I love hunt for the wilder people. It's one of the few movies that I can without reservation like recommend too cynical bitter twisted film critics and like people want something safe to show their grandma or their kids. It's like it's just to me. It's just perfect family friendly movie and I wanted this to be as different from like pass is total cost to movies as hunt. For Wilder people is from you know most most family friendly uplift movies and I feel like he's trying for that like I give him points for ambition and I give him points for trying to break out outside the box and do something unconventional and something. Something daring that. Most people wouldn't go into. I just don't think he's doing it very well. Well I mean I think what he's doing is something. He's done several times before it's making a coming of age movie. You know what this really is is about the character of Joe. Joe And it's it's just like wrapped in these Nazi Germany trappings. That ended up injecting a lot more elements into the film that are maybe less successful. But like the heart of this movie is like jo-jo figuring out himself outside of an outside role model or force you know whether it's Hitler his mother also like he's kind of projecting onto these other figures in in his life and on the way to figuring out what he wants and what kind of person person he is and it doesn't really and I think like looking at it as a coming of age movie. The ending doesn't land for me because it just it feels. He's like at cheats. It takes a shortcut to resolution for that character. You know with the were free and we dance nonsense so I think maybe that's where the sort of sense so there's not enough. Danger is coming from because it seems like it's telling one type of story but it's actually telling a very conventional kind of story that's just kind it. has this wrapping around it. I just what he does. His thing totally doesn't really suit the setting all that well a lot of the time I me you know what he does. You know you think about like what we do in the shadows Ortho Ragnarok or hunt for the wilder people and there's just there's a silliness a innocence jokey. Oh keenness in lightness to them that this film kind of struggles to incorporate smoothly but sometimes when it does it's kind of thrilling. I mean like the very very beginning of the film is like really electric. You know just when you get when you get into that really cool montage set to a German version of a Beatles Song. I thought that was great. I liked the evocation of something like a hard day's night where it's like. Oh Yeah Beatlemania and Hitler maniac kind of the same kind of thing right. The implication being I mean just like you know that you've got people who just swept up in this hysteria in one of them is more malevolent than the other but the nature of that kind of mass pass movement is is same in something kind of like. It's hard as an ordinary person not to become part of that area. At least it should be harder than it said why but it. It's one fits and starts. This film works for me. But there's also kind of this secondhand wes Anderson Quality to a lot of it is Tasha talked about Moon Rise Kingdom. I definitely thought about win when Rise Kingdom and all the Hitler Youth Camp Scenes It's just I don't know it just it didn't it just doesn't the whole thing just doesn't come together like it's supposed to. Embolism kind of a little surprised that it is having quite the impact that it has Is Having in either direction that could be this polarizing because to me it's just like like it just isn't strong enough in either to earn either either into those reactions. Yeah I see what you're saying. I just really think that if the film and followed through on the promise of those early scenes I feel like the conflict between Joe Joe and the other boys the environment that he's he's in where there's a lot of cultural tension Because of you know Germany's because again of the propaganda that everybody's been fed because of this feeling feeling that German power is defined a certain way and that they all have to embody it. This feeling that you know all of these like eight and twelve eight and ten and twelve year world's needs to represent some form of masculinity by doing things like killing a bunny that to me felt a lot reeler are and buy real. I don't necessarily mean could happen in the real world. I mean like evocative of actual emotions sort of metaphorically evocative of what people go through with with bullying all the time what people go through with believing the things that their parents tell them believing the things that they hear on television just Osmo zing in certain beliefs about the world that they hold to like in in that level of childhood. Just very very strongly you know that they believe the complete truth about the world world. I think exploring that in the way that he does in that first. Act Up into the point of of Joe Joe like horribly injuring himself in a a an attempt to be what he thinks he needs to be. I think that would have just been such a more powerful story and I feel like that story takeaway. Td as Hitler which we. I don't really talked about ticket with. TV's performance at all take team's performance as Hitler which is just so in keeping with the kind of like late. Bouncy humor are and dark under core of that that I act And I wish the whole movie followed up on that and didn't try to take us into the the realm of of dead parents and bathos basically. Yeah I don't know The more you talk about this movie the more I want to defend it even away play like I said I. I don't not have problems with it. But like regarding the Wes Anderson Ian Beginning I think what. YTD would say based on in some interviews. I've read with him. Is that in those opening scenes. He is trying to evoke a world seen through the eyes of a child you know. It's a childlike mentality. Taliban both visually and in the dialogue and I think again going back to the sort of being a coming of age film the ideas that that stuff stuff should fall away or become more complicated. Somehow as as the movie progresses as jo-jo becomes more more complicated in his his outlook on life. I don't think the movie does that like on a on a style level. You know. I don't think it's it has a strong sense. It's tone as it. Progresses does in those beginning moments. When we're just getting like pure uncut child Joe Joe? You know it doesn't quite know how to grow as a movie along with its protagonist at that makes sense. I think it kind of maybe gets a little muddled because of that. I think that that makes a Lotta Sense. Yeah I think it's true that there's kind of like am mccade go into Camp Kinda you've even though it's a different kind of camp one positive aspect of it because the film does have it does have a lot going for me. One thing I liked about the film to was how specific it was invoking the end of the war And I think it does a lot through the Sam Rockwell character to just it's like what are we doing now this is this is a losing cause instill character. Very interesting not not unproblematic. But I think there's a there's is a lot going on in that character and there's a definite progression to that character has a very strong. I feel that we see play out in the movie. You know your your question about where controversy comes from this movie. I know that a lot of people that were angered that we're very angered by this movie. Like one of the big points of contention was whether her this movie gives him too much of an arc whether it is offensive to celebrate positive. Yeah to give a Nazi redeeming breath redeeming human ending to his art. Basically this is another thing. We'll talk about. I'm sure connections but I think the fact that that character I think is pretty clearly coated skeie and also figured allows the progression. His character takes too. I think it earns it but I can see not agreeing with that. mcsally excited to see this. This is a trailer of sorts for our prefer off for connections. Because that's a that's a good thought. I think I think that is the type of character who represents what I wanted this movie to be of of someone who because that is a that is a provocative character and dynamic Emma character and again we're reaching this point in the war that the film does such a good job of opening of just like this is this is the end in in what what a waste. I you know what a waste that we have to go through any of this that these boys have to go through this this training camp. And the you know if it's GonNa make any difference at all you know what a waste. I of course that people still have to lose their lives and be tormented by the shop. Oh and and It's just it's all for nothing because the writings on the wall. It's this is not going to be Winning effort on there's also like part of that end of the war aspect is just getting back to Yorkie Who is such an adorable such tyco? Td character and threw him just kind of seeing like how desperate Germany has become like how strained their resources are like how far they've had had to push in order to try to keep training people. You know this. This little boy now thinks of himself as a soldier thinks of himself very factual I has quite a bit nerve weapons training under his belt. That that's the great visual gag at the Ed is so great with the I think the way in the trailer to of him just accidentally Italy firing rocket launcher. That's good stuff and for me that that Kaerlek when genevieve talked about how great that character is that character. kind of sums up again. What the movie could have done and isn't doing like that combination of very New Zealand? Humor summer in his his. Kind of DEADPAN. Effectual nece like his his dedication to the cause his the way he takes everything super super seriously but is still coated in a way that we can kind of like chuckle at him At both how ineffectual he is and how cute he is like. It's just it's a neat little. A package of this is a horrible thing. That's happening. You know this is a child soldier. Whose childhood has been taken away and yet it doesn't affect them at all a key still like in this this late? Eight and sunny place. He's still sort of having fun and doing his duty. Like it's a very rich complicated character that we really only get for a few moments. Maybe she he wouldn't be nearly as strong if we spent more time with him. A lot to talk about with with this movie and with the producers and the connections are not that many connections really between Tweeden. So we'll be right back after the break to do connections we spent a Lotta time analyzing and discussing other people's creative works. 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Show Court Joe Joe Little Man I don't I want to tell me about that. Habit incident was all that about. They wanted me to kill it. I'm sorry I couldn't don't worry about it. I couldn't care less now. They call me scared. Rabbits let them say whatever they want. People used to say a lot of nasty things about me. Oh this guy's a lunatic. Oh look at that psycho. He's GonNa get us all killed. Let you in on a little secret. The Rabbit is no coward. The Humble Little Advani faces a dangerous world every day hunting carrots for his family for his country. My Empire would be full of all animals. Now it's time for connections when we bring these two films together and talk about all the things they have in common. Well one thing is funny. Hitler's that's probably the strongest connections. ZSA So yes that'd be too Jewish directors making movies About with funny Hitler's but they're obviously funny in different ways so so talk about it. Well there are also funny in kind of the same ways which like very notably. They're both. They're both pretty wishy. They're both pretty effeminate feminine. They're both pretty immature Self absorbed kind of like whiny and self pitying. But at the same time having all of these beliefs of An actual Hitler the combination there of fanaticism and Childishness is meant to be kind of like Indian and Hilarious Maybe a little more so in Joe Rabbit where. He's literally like engaging with a child arguing with a child supporting child teaching child as opposed to an actor portraying him in a an incompetent laughable way but the characterizations to Mir actually Kinda surprisingly similar. Well and they're also they're also both characterizations that are reflective of other characters. More than they are of Hitler. You know. Like the like the Hitler in Joe Joe Rabbit Rabbit is Hitler as Joe has imagined him. Not as Hitler actually is in the Hitler. And it's called. It's springtime for Hitler. Which is what Mel Brooks? I would have preferred to be called. But the Hiller in the producers is you know. LSD's vision such as of Hillary. You know it is neither of them are intended to be their intended is like funhouse mirror portrayal. CNO and I think by divorcing the character from any sort sort of sense of reality. It allows it to engage a tumor in a way that you couldn't if you're actually portraying Adolf Hitler within the narrative that makes sense but it isn't a little weird though. Oh how the Hitler in chose a rabbit does feel a little bit like an independent entity. I mean there. There are times when he is doing actions that are seem apart from whatever role. He's playing in Josiah's life when he's GonNa Swing with other kids jobs not even in the water for example that was one one that kind of stood out but I think that's just like reflective of what Joe thinks he should be doing as a movie Syrian boy. You know it's what Hitler the Hitler in his mind would have him be doing disappointed in him. You know what I mean there's a growing estrangement and a lack of presence The that makes them seem like a separate character or a friend who Giorgio kind of grows apart from these emblematic. He's emblematic of this. You know this collection of propaganda belief system the judge a rabbit pulls away from as he befriends a Jew as he sees his mother die as a result of these policies these beliefs lake. Of course he's going to pull away from the man who is the titular head of the the Reich the representation Haitian of all of the things that happened to him that are bad like of course. He's pulling away from him. Dude you liked to do like take your what Hitler I have a hard time separating him from TYCO Heiko. What's Hedy who I like very very much Just as a personality. He's you know I've seen him live. He's just a very effortlessly funny eh person. He's very charming. He's very charismatic. I've interviewed him. I've obviously watched his movies like just like him a lot. So you stick a silly silly moustache on him And have kind of switch around a little bit. I'm probably going to inherently want to lake him in the way people inherently want to like you know celebrities Veasley. They've made some kind of feeling of connection to. Is it a good portrayal of Hitler I. I don't know what defines a good portrayal of Hitler. It works within the comedy. Because it's it's defending Hitler as an idea it's reducing him and making him Small and ridiculous. I mean I think that charisma you speak of is actually kind of important to playing Hitler you know like I mean for his evil misguided as he was you know he was to some people a charismatic leader. And you know we get that perception in the opening moments of Joe Rabbit with the whole Hitler mania you know I wanna hold your hand scene and and then coupled with the fact that this is supposed to be a Hitler as seen through the eyes of the child and therefore sort of childlike and silly. Td actually make sense to me. You know because he is both charismatic. and kind of silly and so for for the version of Hitler that this movie movie is engaging with I think the the casting in the performance makes a lot of sense I guess he the producer studios every who it was. It was his idea for him to play Hitler he was basically kind of push to do that. Because presumably. No one else would want to do it too in the movie. We couldn't get made but I I I like I like his performance as a I I also am a bit of A. YTD Stan. I I L- I just love him as a person and find him very Like you said charismatic and engaging so it's it's a little hard to separate him here but I think that is sort of the idea you know. I think you're supposed to see why this little boy would become like sort of enamored of this this version of Hitler. uh-huh yeah and and again both films do create this context where you get that that bit of distance we in the producers. It's in the context of of a play. That's being station Asian in this. It's in the context of imagination rather than the real thing so if you can get that you know just just to do a comedy of Hitler being Hitler during World War Two a little harder. We'll more difficult. There's another interesting connection here not too you know you got to stick with Nazi Well this is pushing this at play. genevieve was talking about that a little bit with Sam Rockwell character. Right in in Just the L.. Yeah and the Alfie Allen Character. I think it's it's pretty clear are in some sort of a relationship. As the as the film progresses and as mentioned before the portrayal of Hitler in the producers is what you might call than coupled with some gay panic moments around the the director who is not a Nazi but the film certainly has some some moments of engaging with homosexuality in in a negative light I I would argue. I would say in a cheap comedy light which I'm not disagreeing. We figure I'm just I think more specific. Yeah but I really just this kind of want to take this opportunity. To aunt to unpack the Sam Rockwell Alfie Allen characters a little bit and and the Ark of the Sam Rockwell character character in the context of you know him him being a Nazi soldier. Who has sort of fallen through the ranks you know over the career and I? I think it's interesting interesting in Georgia rabbit to watch that character. Become more flamboyant the closer we get to the end and then in the final L. Moments in his glorious plumage outfit he designed with with Allen by his side riding into battle sort of like not even trying to conceal it anymore. I think there's a sort of poignancy to that it's again maybe a little cheap lear mawkish Lee done but I think there is and effort to to say something there about homosexuality under Nazi regime that there is not an attempt to say anything of substance about I and the producers but the producers does arguably sort of a lightly engaged with that tension I also read Sam Rockwell and Alfie Allen as as a gay couple and I kept wondering if there was a version of either script or or the film editing. That had more Alfie Allen in that had in had more of that relationship because you know alcohol and is not a superstar. But he's at this point. Thanks to game of thrones particular a very recognizable face and and have him in that role when he has maybe a line Just seemed weird. It was perpetually distracting to me to have him on screen but not speaking or doing anything significant really engaging and I kept wondering if there had been more to him and had been cut out for some reason I kept wondering if there had been a version of the story that did play up their relationship a little bit more and made it into more of a kind of a selling point for Sam Rockwell's character given that his this his whole thing seemed to be. He's not he doesn't really believe the things that he's being forced to do anymore. He doesn't if there was a point where he did. He's long past that point. I'm I'm from the beginning. He just comes across as like a little jaded and a little out of it. Not exactly a true believer so the idea that he's also gay and concealing ailing that and kind of like living under look under a cloud. Living under a threat of being sent off to the camps for being gay is a big provocative potential Cilicia in the movie. That just becomes BELVA. Doesn't get wrong unless like Jewishness in the producers. It's just sort of meant to be there for for people who are looking for it for people who are you're kind of in on the the symbolism of it but you know it's twenty nineteen. It's long past the point of like let's very very very quietly hint at this. For the percentage of the population that cares about it And completely cover it up for everybody else like. That's the not really a gay relationships work on the argument I would offer is again that this is a you know. We're seeing this world through. Joe Joe is we're seeing this through the eyes of eleven year old. Who would not you know? He would see certain things but he would not put them together in an explicit way of of what was actually actually happening there so I think you could make the argument that the film is just reflecting what he is seeing allowing viewers who are more savvy than coach out to fill in the blanks in there is some gayness explicit in perhaps not so much in the producers to write and the director and his assistant assistant and Maybe in Hitler himself question Mark Yeah I I have a hard time seeing it in. LSD's portrayal of Hitler. It just feels more like you know you're a Druggie hippie. Teams stereotype divorced from any sexuality. Beyond maybe maybe like free love man but not specifically homosexuality but sort of the the mannerisms I think you can make an argument that that they come through and his mannerisms and that that is again sort of operating on the level of cheap joke you know like Oh oh Jerry dictator guy. He's authentic right. He's a fantasy is hilarious. It's the you you don't need a punchline. It's a man acting sort of womanish that's hilarious. I mean that's that's sort of the mentality of the humor going on there which is why it falls pretty flat. I think thank right but but I think there is also instinct of just like what's the what's the most humiliating portrayal. What what what? What would hit little like the least into if you were around to see it and I think that you know what someone like? LSD In the way he incur carries themselves and certainly his is kind of peace. Nick attitudes and everything kind of fits that bill comically is brought as it is Dick Shawn wasn't Jewish. was he I I I feel like by virtue of YTD being Jewish Hiller would hate it more trail more. Yeah yeah the though. He's he's more committed to to those values the LSD is off. Doing is doing is is own. Think think I don't think there's really a lot of thought is being given to Staying true to the character goes and so we have a couple of powerful powerful characters. Here who instigate the action of both films Tasha. You wanted to talk about that. Yeah I just found it interesting. That both of these kind of revolve around horrible mentors In one case it's an imaginary friend who are urging eleven year old odor rabbit onto fascism and hatred Richard anti-semitism and racism and all sorts of things in the case of the producers. You've got a timid man who would never have considered all of these crimes crimes being urged into them under the pretense of like little like break out of your shell do something exciting with your life. just I just live and that moment I'm always struck by the moment where gene wilder decides to go in on the scheme and the fountain bursts forth behind him of this is that the world world itself is reflecting. Like how wonderful and exciting and thrilling it is. He's agreed to get caught up in this crazy scheme. That is the only we really exists to profit zero muscles character. And in the same way we've got Gioja be kind of like led down the garden path by by Hitler who is is similarly trying to profit like both of these movies center around terrible advice from terrible people who are trying to manipulate smaller and weaker and more innocent characters characters specifically for gain While making pretense of this being lake a larger societal thing that they really should embrace Because if so they're not living up to their full potential And I just I for two very different films really with very different terrible mentors. I think it's it's an. Interestingly Dingley close parallel I think where it notably differs at Joe Joe Rabbit there is a counter mentor figure in in in his mother. You know. So there's a there's a balance for of that cynicism. I guess maybe the you get in the in that relationship in the producers where Leo is just like kind of buys into to maximize his whole thing and you know they end up in prison together and that's the happy ending you know whereas in Georgia Rabbit. It's more of a attention that JOE JOE is trying to figure out between these two like major influences in his life As he again is sort of figuring out what sort of person he's he's going to be and and I think that's where the movie sentimental street kind of you know where where its roots are and again I was pretty positive on the Scarlett Carla Johannesen character in that performance. But I think it is also kind of indicative of where Joe Rabbits more sentimental streak it comes from one aspect to get back to this Topic at hand but what. You mentioned Sculpture Hanson. Her approach to parenthood feels right to me in a way. Like like. There's a sense of like of doting insured and she kind of understood. I think she understands who he who this boy is at his core and that he's going to find his way he's way off right now but he's she's not the type of person person who's going to potentially alienate him by getting upset and also she. She feels like she's protecting him a little bit by not discouraging interest of his. But I think I think to to get back to the the the mentor thing in terms of the men. Ts here. Leo and Joe Joe. There's that allure of power. I mean these are both weak week. People he's a ten year old boy or eleven year old boy in an accountant who can barely get through. You know every waking moment is a panic attack attack for this guy so so to have that promise of of strength from somebody who's who's got who's more persuasive and more powerful I mean. There's there's there's an allure to it's hard for both characters to extricate themselves from it I mean and I think there is a point in the producers. Were Leo does when things go wrong wrong terribly wrong he can kind of say. This is the worst I've ever met you. At least have that record that moment of recognition that he's got this is brought into this awful mess by this really bad guy. I think it's worth noting in the producers. It doesn't seem like we really know enough about Leo to know why he such a shell of a man This is not the kind of film that goes into deep detail about this kind of thing It's that interested in backstory motivations character like these are fairly two dimensional characters stereotypes but in Georgia rabbit a a lot of what a lot of the reason that he's willing to give in to this terrible mentor. Figure is societal pressure. Peer pressure like the sense that everybody around him believes believes in what Hitler has to say. And that like he represents some kind of like ultimate father figure Joe himself as lacking a father figure because his father is gone on. And in that sense like you guys were talking about Scarlett Johansson's character and how she kind of tries to push back and be the the other pole From the terrible mentor. Figure here. I think the sequence where she sort of pretends to be Joe Father and pretends to have that conversation back and forth is just really telling because in her way she's kind of trying to portray another negative influence in his life and then ameliorated she's also in a way that almost seems too sophisticated for this movie is expressing her own disappointment and her own loss in her own anger at her. Lost husband And I just there's so so much packed into that sequence and it's so important in terms of like understanding why Joe believes the things he does and is willing to knuckle under to what basically amounts to a father figure that he's created Out of of pieces of Zeitgeist in his own imagination and his own need need I I just I think. That's a really touching moment but it's also just a really densely richly character packed moment. Where you get to see for a moment just all of the kind of like raging anger and frustration and insecurity and yet like love and nostalgia packed into her character? And and that's where I don't know that I buy the whole idea of this movie being entirely from Georgia's perspective because we're just seeing too much of her. We're seeing too much of what drives her and what she's trying to do and then the sequence where she sits down with Elsa and talks about how she's losing. Joe Joe you know to to Hitler Hitler these beliefs and she hopes she'll get him back but she doesn't. She doesn't know what to do. Like none of that is from Joe Joe's perspective and again at some of the most telling Material the film. I think agree that I don't want to claim that the movie is beginning to end toll only through jobs perspective. I think that that is a argument. You could make to sort of gloss over certain quote unquote flaws in the movie or or explain certain things that maybe don't don't make sense but it's not true throughout the whole movie. That scene does pests Bechtel Test though there you go does it. I wasn't tracking it for that. But aren't they mostly talking about Joe but they also talk a little bit about there's this stuff about her light was riding a horse or something like talking about which puts she'll be able to do or how you become a woman. There is a little talk about what it means to be a woman outside of the Joe of it all it barely passes the backdoor test but yeah. I don't want to spend too much time on packing that but I I have certainly only been privy to some fairly vehement discussions about whether something passes the Bechtel test if two women talk about something other than a man in the same same scene where they are also talking about a man and mostly talking about a man. Like there's there's a lot of debate about exactly where that line is drawn. Well I mostly bring it up as a way to get to our next connection. Connection how producers do Bechtol test wasn't tracking for that but I feel pretty say that does they barely has speaking Female Characters concierge. Now that's true. Yeah that's it. Right is the only one who gets a name name. The concierge is better than a name. Yeah she's I mean there as with all the characters and and the producers for the most part like they're you're kind of joke delivery devices. I character second. You know they don't. It's not really pretty really concerned with backstory beyond the point to which it affects a joke doc you know and it doesn't arguably doesn't need to have that but it doesn't Make for particularly engaging women characters and this spill the kind of unfortunate connection between the female characters in these films really with the kind of primary female characters for whatever that's worth and the producers search is that they're seen primarily as as like objects of ownership by male characters and with WHO led. That's very open and played for humor. Like ha ha. She's a toy that I bought. I can afford to get myself a nice thing. Like a dancing Swedish Bikini Remodel with not much on her mind accept a paid sex but one of the things that bothered me on a fundamental level about Joe Rabbit was the degree to which which Joe Joe and ill says relationship is played as a sort of you know cute Childhood Romance Acute Coming of Age Romance while it's it's also a kind of horrible situation where he's gas lighting. Her repeatedly gasoline her in order to control her in order to control. What information alleges that at the end? Yeah at the end but like nonetheless like his punches him. He's gasoline cleaning. He's played for humor. It's played for adorable Miss. And it's just just as weird as it was for some people to see Hitler played comedic to see a Nazi played for redemption. It was weird to me me to see a gas later controlling a girl Like by basically by repeatedly threatening her life by making up ways in which her our boyfriends that he's never met and doesn't know has failed her and rejected her for humor. It's just it's a very strange source of humor for me in that part just really didn't land very well. Yeah eventually she punches him yeah they they danced together. Yeah there's the moment of forgiveness but I don't know for me it was for me. It was too easy. She comes out into a world where she is not under constant threat of death and realizes that this boy made aid up a constant threat of death in order to try to own her literally to own her. I have a conversation with my husband about this and he was a lot more forgiving of that dynamic hamic because his feeling was joe doesn't necessarily see that as a romantic connection he just doesn't want the last person in his life to go away you know. He's he's lost so much he's just scared of letting go of losing this last connection and looking at it in that late does make it a little more tolerable for me but but the fact that he starts like pretty much the first interaction they have is him low lying about this supposed letter. He's gotten from her boyfriend saying you're ugly and I don't like you anymore. Just makes it really hard for me to take him as a sympathetic character and all this is very young yes. He's very young. I don't want to excuse that relationship ship but I I don't fully agree with the reading that it is played for laughs any more than other parts of this movie. That engaged with difficult things are are are played for laughs. Like I think it's part of the sort of tonal tight rope. This film attempting to walk. I like I said I think it acknowledges riches that what Joe is doing is is horrible and I think it does so while also acknowledging that he is a young boy who has lost a lot a lot and doesn't really know what he's doing and is being influenced by a terrible outside forces and so. I think I can't read need that. gaslight relationship is being played quote unquote played for laughs. I think there are elements of humor in it. There are jokes in it. But it's I don't thing it's an inherently comedic relationship. Now he's struggling. I mean he's. He's struggling to kind of come to terms with this girl that he's been taught to hate and that he can't bring himself self to fully hate US curious. He doesn't a lot of the things that he's learning about. Her defy what he's been told to expect. And so that relationship evolves. I think it'll pretty fairly earnest this way and this way. I don't really see a whole lot of romantic angle here You know I think there's a there's he says he loves her you know but it's in that what little boy way. Sure well with your I kind of older girls sexual but I do think that it's very significant advocate. That basically his first act of connection with her is to try to erase her boyfriend from Islam from her life. True I just I think he sees him as competition you know for for his ownership of her basically. I haven't read the book but I've heard from a number of sources that the book is a lot worse in this regard that he it keeps her in the closet for years lying to our so he can control our and I can't imagine that obviously I can't imagine that playing out particularly well on film since the kids are or at ages where they would change hugely over. The course of those years and presumably does not have access to Gemini man or Irishman level aging technology analogy and. I'm glad he didn't go that far with it but I'm certainly not saying that their relationship has played only for laughs. I'm just saying that Aspects of the gas leading specifically perfect. Leave the letter reading specifically the way he immediately rushes to eraser boyfriend and are pretty hurtful way and the way she kind of takes it with a bureau strange little boy kind of grain of salt. I think all of that is played for humor. Semi related question. Do we believe that. Her boyfriend Israel I believe he's real and he that that he's dead Yeah Okay Yeah I do believe that. That's real pitcher and possibly represents like a a real fantasy for her of a different way way that her life might have turned out that she hoped that her life was going to turn out. But yeah I I guess I took it at face value. When she said that he'd gone away? I guess I missed the picture part art That we saw an actual picture of him isn't the there's a picture of him I. It's been a little while for me. I thought there was a picture of him. Interlock it okay. I may have just been a it makes sense. I don't recall. I recall a lock it. I don't recall what the picture is but that makes sense. I guess that that must have just blown by me. It may be. I was distracted by someone making noise in the or something but percents Jingling crazily. But yes I think I read that as a little ambiguous and maybe sort of defense mechanism on on her part of you know I have a boyfriend. And he's he's waiting for me but that could would just be a complete misreading on my part based on something I missed. I think it's a little defensive but I also think it's just sort of indicative of how different they are. I mean girls mature her a little faster than boys. She's also a little older than him and I think that he's looking at her. and kind of seeing this you know aspirational fantasy of. It's like being the girlfriend of what seems like a an older more sophisticated girl at a couple years older than him whereas she's kind of got the fantasy of being the girlfriend of this older for more sophisticated boy and it's just kind of indicative. How at that age anybody like a few years younger than you has like a kind of glamour about them? You know. It's you're looking at your own future and wanting to be there faster because you think it's going to be more exciting so I you know it. It makes sense to me that there's just kind kind of this little daisy chain of him chasing her not necessarily thinking that he can have her in any meaningful way her chasing this boy who's gone. I mean the whole country is kind of chasing a future. That's not coming. You know chasing a future that they for the most part already know that they've lost and it's kind of like the entire situation. That Germany mini is in at the moment. Yeah I'm assuming we though. We probably don't have much to say about the rich relationship between Lula beyonce. He also shock. You're in bloom so point Joe Joe Rabbit is concerned. They do both kind of a treat. Women like toys to a certain extent if you look at the the whole Elsa thank the proprietary -ness of Of that relationship. Yes I'M GONNA I'm GonNa bad place where saw frozen to today and all I can think of in terms terms of Elsa is let it go. Let her go let her go well. We're going to let these movies go for now The producers is widely available on streaming services. And it's on DVD BLU. Ray Joe Joe. Rabbit is in theaters. Now we'll be right back with your next picture show Finally it's time to catch up on films or film related Items We've seen in the interim since our last podcast we call it your next picture show and the hopes it'll put some interesting choices on your radar genevieve. What in the film world has been good for you lately? Well it's it's not so much lately and I have recommended this movie on the podcast before but it's been a while a I'm GonNa Cheat and recommend it again since it's a movie I thought about again and again while watching Shinjo rabbit and I think in some ways it might have made for an even more interesting pairing with that film than the one we have here. That film is boy a twenty ten coming of age film by one take a TV and the reason I kept thinking about it during Joe Rabbit is not. Just because it's protagonist is a young boy in this case eleven year old boy who has called well boy and not just because by. Td plays the role of shady slash ridiculous character in this case Boys ex-convict absentee father who returns to his life under suspicious circumstances But the real reason I kept thinking about it because of the problematic real life figure who plays a central role in the narrative. One Michael Jackson the film is Sutton Nineteen eighty-four the peak of the thriller era and boy in pretty much. Everyone in his life is obsessed with Jackson including his father in a winds up being something. They're able to bond over after a fashion and now I'm not trying to equate Michael Jackson and Hiller here nor am I claiming the boy attempts to get all revelatory accusations around Jackson and how it's affected our cultures appreciation sheesh of his music. But what I am suggesting. Is that like Joe Joe. Rabbit boy is interested in questions. About how adolescents seek out relate to cultural role models versus parental role models and both films walk and interesting. tonal tight rope. Though I'd say boy lands pretty squarely in the realm of heartwarming at the end. Although I guess maybe rabbit does too depending on. You're on your opinion for what it's worth. Dancing plays a pretty central thematic role in both films as well but yeah I like I like boy a lot. It's very purely what not film it is set in New Zealand and Scott that New Zealand strain of humor. We've been talking about in spades so I definitely want to to to check out. I'd say the one film I think of his I I haven't seen I think I've seen all of his other doctoral efforts and that was I mean it was kind of before the people really were in him so You got you got an early just like just like the album boy. which was their first? So that's the way things start Scott. What about yeah okay so I have been working on this giant Disney plus list for the Times. Be Sort of the keeper of the list and We're GONNA talk about it for a patriotic episode as well so if you're subscriber you can look for that episode too but One of the one of the films that I discovered based on a recommendation from our friend Noel Murray is a documentary. Ish movie called Perry from nine hundred fifty seven that was part the true life adventure series and it's based on a book by feel Sultan who was also responsible for Bambi. And it's kind of this fictional construct that they've built documentary footage around kind of support. And so it's kind of a lot of nonsense but at the same time. It reflects a a view an understanding of nature that I think is unusual and refreshing from what we get. Now I mean I think you watch the Disney nature. Movies is now and we'll certainly get into things like environmental impacts etc.. Perry has moments of just utter terror. You know it's it's about the circle of life but part of it is like they're predators everywhere you know and it's just there's this pecking order and We're following a very vulnerable young female Pine Squirrel in Jackson Hole Wyoming as it was very lovely little forest area neighborhood neighborhood. I guess and You know he's she's under attack and other animals under attack in the film's stages at all as suspenseful as that that Canon at the beginning of the film especially is really kind of dark and scary in and It's it's interesting I think it's it's an exciting approach. Approach to the subject at Fi- I feel like thematically it reflects the sort of circle of life themes that you see in Bambi and it's kind of it's attitude was like. Hey kids you know this is how nature nature is. You know it's kind of it can be kinda rough. Is this a murder involved. But there's also there's also a lot of beauty in mischievous behavior and things that you can identify with as well so I really connected with it and I think it's something that's going to be tucked away in two Disney sie. Plus it's a title that baby people won't notice he count and I think if you are you know Do have the service that I think a lot of people obviously are signing up. It's kind ah lesser-known thing that's worth checking out so Perry P. E. R.. I I'm just I'm suddenly hearing verner Herzog's talk about how the jungle is. We're not that far away. A harmony of overwhelming collective right. The birds are screaming in Nagy Yeah it's it's it's not quite that level but it is. It's a lot of respect for for sure we'll talk. What about you at fantastic fest earlier? This year I saw this movie called. I lost my my body which is an animated French film which is coming to a very very select theaters on November fifteenth Basically hitting New New York in L. A. in advance of an Oscar run for best animated film But it'll be a lot more accessible when it comes to net flicks on November twenty ninth. This is a very strange. In sweet and different. Kind of movie it basically starts with a severed hand in the morgue kind of coming coming to life and setting out on an adventure. It crawls around on its fingertips thing. You're inevitably going to think of thing from the addams family a- and addams family movies of various kinds but we flash back and forth between the hands adventures in trying to get somewhere. It seems seems to be driven to move in a specific direction to to seek out something And in encounters all sorts of terrifying obstacles like rats that want devour it and Cars and I just like barriers to something small and completely defenseless like moving through the world which becomes kind of a metaphor for how people operate in the world trying to get through their everyday life with threats around them but more significantly eh movie continually flashes back to the person that the hand came from This young mixed raced teenager. Who sees a pizza deliveryman He's a little bit aimless He is his folks are dead and he's living with relatives who barely tolerate him. It kind of makes a turning point when he makes a connection a remote connection Through an unorthodox means that I'm not going to spoil with a girl and essentially starts stalking her and seeing her from afar. She's this kind of cool girl in Scott Pilgrim vs the world mode with colorful headphones and Aqui hairstyle and just like a way of carrying herself that he admires and she means a lot to him He means nothing to her and he can't quite figure out how to in in her life and a whole lot of things fall out from there. That are a little bit disturbing and very charming and melancholy and sad this whole movie movie in a way is about loneliness and disconnection and try to find your way in the world but it's told in such an unusual way both because of the the idea of the severed autonomous hand. And because it's so artfully tied into the connection between this. This lost body part in the the Mana China came from. If you go watch the trailer you'll see a lot of just the the way the Director First Time Director Jeremy Clarkson makes a kind of visual poem. Warm out of what. This boy is like was like like when he was gone concentrating on his hand his hand digging into sand at the beach has hand Clinching clenching onto his bike. As he as he rises bike His hand waving in the air as he leans out of a car. It will make you appreciate your own body body in just a a strange low key way just like aware of your your physical extremities in a way that I think is very unusual for are what's essentially a sort of romantic drama thirty of sorts. It's a very unusual film. It's very beautifully animated It's very very sweetly told and it just it completely took me as lake. A sort of mainstream modern urban fairy tale of sorts. I think that's about the best way I'm going to be able to describe it so I lost my body. I on Netflix on November twenty ninth. I'm looking forward to that. I've heard a lot of really good things about got it. That's it for this edition of the next picture. Show our next Perry will come out December every second and ninth genevieve. What's coming up? Next Noah Baumbach new film marriage story is a personal film about the agonizing process of divorce. And how it's designed to bring out the worst this qualities of those involved. Not only does the couple played by Adam. Driver and Scarlett Johansson have to engage in a protracted and expensive legal battle against each other. They also have to deal with the fallout and other aspects of their life including their relationship to their only child that dynamic calls to mind Kramer Versus Kramer and Oscar winning drama starring Meryl Streep and Dustin often that also digs into the ugliness of divorce especially when a child is involved. In the meantime we love to hear your feedback on this week's discussion of the producers Joe Rabbit anything else formulated immolated. You'd like to talk about. We want include your thoughts on future episodes of the show. You leave a short voicemail at seven seven three two three four nine seven three zero or email us at comments. 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Nerd Soup - Oscars Preview (2019)

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Nerd Soup - Oscars Preview (2019)

"Hello, everybody. And welcome back to another episode of the nerd soup podcasts. And on today's episode. It's very special episode of the podcast. We've got no teddy just me. And Erin Bolivian Aaron the to monkey previewing the Oscars. Oscar Sunday, two thousand nineteen we're going through all of the major nominees. I'm starting with best documentary short foreign film in audited joke that was going to kill there in this preview. I was going to be like I was gonna have a fake commercial and be like when we got back. Oh, they're in a break. We said Courant should Winston mythography because of the whole they with the Oscars, but they took that away from me, and I'll never forgive them. Wasn't that funny? Probably not. But you know, he's sprinkle a few jokes throughout the episode in ads. You know, it makes you something special. Now, I don't even wanna do this anymore. I don't really like topics on my ice cream. No, I'm not a sprinkles guy. Just give me the ice. Give me the cream. Give me a spoon. Cone bite the cone suck from under. And we'll. Yeah. But now we've got a whole list of nominees. And obviously, if you're listening to this podcast, if you're Miller, if you're familiar with our channel, you're familiar with the Oscars, and you're probably anticipating the show, and it's it's fun. It's almost like Christmas for film nerds, we get to sit around make bets drinks alcohol. Complain on Twitter when your favorite movie doesn't win. That's my favorite. My favorite is making fun of people that complain about award show. But then go ahead and complaining about award shows myself, you do it a lot. Yes. I love it and Amy Adams is she now. Yes, she is nominated. Yeah. Well, we'll get to it. Yeah. We'll get there. I'm yeah. So I guess you guys can listen, I guess we'll we'll plug that to you can listen to us on itunes at the nerd, sue podcast soundcloud at the nerds who podcast and now Spotify and for our regular podcast, you can send in questions at nerd soup for you at gmaiLcom also Twitter nerd soup for you to tweet us nerds monkey nerd soup. Teddy Anthony j q Nash to now. He's like when he's not here. We don't blow them. No. What does he history earned the he gets paid and plugs? He's the fifth Beatle. Yeah. Assuming that we're the regular Beatles. I like that. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm a cricket. So so I guess yeah. We'll start with best pitcher because that's the or do you want to go backwards backwards. Imagine the Oscars came on. And the best pitcher thou get ratings up there and people turn off right away while they usually do the first one that they always usually do is supporting actor. Yeah. So I think that's a good place to start. So for supporting actor. We have Mahershala Ali for the green book or just green book, Adam driver for black Landsman. Sam Elliott, a star is born Richard E grant can you ever forgive me and Sam Rockwell vice right off the bat Sam Rockwell honor to be nominated. You're not gonna win. No don't don't even know how he was nominated. When you look at some of the other Timothy shower. Yeah. Michael Jordan, Black Panther. Yeah. I mean, there are certainly especially shallow maze performance. He carried that movie will along with Seve corral, and what Rockwell was in for ten minutes. Couple funny scenes, but literally the Bush presidency Cheney was doing everything and yeah, just the face for a couple of minutes, maybe Adam occasions next level filmmaking, and that's just a metaphor. That's what the academy, and I know so yeah, you should have been nominated even though at the top said that he shouldn't have. Yeah. But he's not gonna win Richard E grant can you ever forgive me one of the only films that I haven't seen yet. You probably see it before Oscar Sunday, but we're recording this what is it December thirtieth? Yes. Right. So does he have a chance thirty Hughes? Fantastic. He's he doesn't have the hype surrounding it. But he was my favourite until I saw green book and her Shali he should win. It. I think he will win because that's always like the thing when you making predictions for the Oscars as always someone you think should win. But you can kind of get a sense of who is going to win. And I think he swept everything else. Golden Globes Baptists sag awards. I think he got all of that. So I would be shocked if he doesn't win, but you don't want to hear speech from Sarah malate code as the rocket did say, I want to take a nap on his moustache. So right or is always happened his mustache. And then you take the nap he talks to you. I just the whole it's a pleasant experience. Yeah. God I wish I could have that. He was usually good too. I think before I saw green book him in Richard E grant or probably my top two, but Marschall was fantastic. And it's funny because Sam Elliott's only in the movie for about maybe ten fifteen minutes is similar to Sam Rockwell, but his performances hitch you that much harder, and it's so important to the main character's arc, but Adam driver for black Landsman. That's a surprise for me when he was nominated. It's a movie that I I can honestly say I didn't even like it. But I thought he was the best part of that movie. And I think he's become an underrated actor because so many people. Associated him with Kylo Ren Orissa. Does that all the time? But if you look at this man's careers. Although if you look at this man's career all the smaller movies that he's been doing over the past couple of years. He's become one of the most fantastic actors working today. So to see him get this recognition. I don't think he'll win now. Because I don't think it is the best performance. I think it should go to Mahershala Ali. Yeah. And I like black land more than you did. But Adam driver, John Washington their chemistry together. It was fantastic. I think there were the driving force of the movie. So, yeah, it's a nice little notch in your belt nominated for an Academy Award, and I guess especially with Star Wars ending their wrapping film on episode nine. So kind of have that kind of add that to your resume going forward and breaking away from that going forward and he's done a really good job. I think Adrian Brodie should've taken this approach after he won his Oscar that he he's never the lead in an any of the movies that he starring in. He's always a great supporting character. And you're going to see him get those occasional lead roles. And maybe an eight twenty four or maybe blockbusters moving forward. But the way that he picks and chooses his movies and his directors. He's just really smart, and he's funny to begin lucky even the SNL skit he did when the Kylo Ren the uncover boss. He has good comedic chops to. So he can really do whatever he wants these versatile. So Marshall Ali is the actor who I think is going to win. And who I think should win is also Ali. Yeah. I mean, he's he's on another level, especially watching chewed attack the green book and his previous performances. He he's amazing. So I think this is pretty much here has he ward they probably have shipped the to his house. All right. So let's go to best supporting actress we have Amy Adams for vice marina, marina del. Marina data Rivi. Marina date. Vera, we have Berina data Areva for Roma Regina king. I'll just keep all those in. So people can get a look behind the curtain. I'm not perfect. Nobody is cold as the Rockies Regina king for if Beale street could talk ama- stone, the favourite and Rachel Weisz the favourite. Yes. So for this one. I think we stated it so many times, but Emma stone and Rachel Weisz. If there was some way that they could be co-winners that would be the perfect outcome for me. But I think this might be the most stand category because even going into vice I didn't expect much out of Amy Adams playing who is at Lynn Lynch Lynch Cheney. I can't Lynn Liz, all them are mixed up. I didn't expect much, but she was really great in that role. And you know, obviously, marina day to for Romana y went back to it. I should should've just ignored her. They're all great, Regina king for Beal streaky talk. I don't know. It's probably gets us. I think it's the best category. I think Regina kings the favor right now the betting favourite. She won the. Golden globe. It. Yeah. John's got kicked in the teeth to budget wellin- beat. Oh, yeah. The Knicks game. I did so talking and moving dodging she didn't get nominated for the sag, which is weird. And I think Rachel vice one for the BAFTA Rachel vice. I think it's yeah. I heard that I'm using the it makes me sound like, I know something you don't and I kind of like that who's your favorite composer, Richard Wagner. I don't get that joke. I'm just gonna last and make you feel better about yourself. You know, if you're around the nerd soup podcast for awhile. You know, big Amy Adams guy I wanted to win. But I think I think I'm a stone should win even though she's not going to. And I think Regina king will win. I think especially for the favorite. I think those two will split Rachel vice end, Emma stone. And so I don't think any of them went. So I think would Gina will win. And her performance is great to. I think we talked about to how it's another supporting role where she's not in the movie a whole lot, which leaves a lasting impact. After you leave the theater where especially with the favourite how they all three of them just shit like came together and really the driving force of the movie. So it's very different performances as far as screen time. And what they brought to the movie, but I think Gina can will win. Yeah. I think revenge vice was probably my favorite performance out of the five. But I don't think she's going to win because. Emma, stone and revenge or going to split it. I would like to see. Marina MD t from Roma tissue. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and because when you go with the betting odds, I see it all the time somebody there's always one upset, and I think this is a category where the upset can happen. So I'm gonna go. Mt. D for MD t for Roma I wanna see but Amy Adams either. Now six times she's been nominated. She got to get one and I want so I want me Adams. I think Emma stone should but Regina king. Will I think revenge vice should win? But I think who will win is an TD. Okay. All right. So let's go to best director here. We have Spike Lee for black clansmen. We have the director for Cold War Powell Powell Ascii. Yeah. I think I did that right, right? Yeah. Okay. Your goes length the most for the favorite that. I mean, he's my boy. So I knew that one pretty well Afonso Koran for Roma and Adam McKay for vice I think obviously Adam McKay, I don't think he belongs there because I've said this before I don't think vice should be nominated for anything. But. Best actor for Christian bale. So I don't think he's going to win. I don't think Yorgos laugh the most is going to win even though he's probably the one that I want to win out of these five. I didn't see Cold War because you backed out last minute. I didn't back change time last minute. Well, you know, you got to adapt. You know me. My schedule is very fluid constantly moving on the move. I'm doing things and you're not you're just like oh shit. I didn't realize I was three o'clock. I'll push it back the five. Yup. That's actually how well it went slightly black linesmen. Once again, I don't think he deserves to be nominated. So I think Courant should win it. And I think he will win it. Yeah. I think I think he's the biggest favor at any category right now for him for director. So I agree with that Roma was just the technical masterpiece. And you talked about the what's the lead actresses name. Forgot really. Yeah. Oh. I thought you were talking about the supporting actor now Yuliya appreciative. Yeah. Not one. I know. Yeah. Rolls off the town. She was fucking. She was fantastic. And that's what people kind of under eight that directors. I know to get these people to act I, but it's a first time actor, you know, she's not an established star or she's a relatively unknown. So to get that, performance and. I don't know just a camera work, and what he was able to do was mesmerizing at times, and from purely I know some people thought the movie might be boring, but from a director standpoint, I think it's not even close yet. Even though you're goes sil- of the favourite, but any any other year, I think he would got it. But I don't think so I think I might have contradicted myself saying that your goes should win it. I'm gonna change my mind. I think Rancho winning because people. Oh, teddy always asked me. He's like what's the rule? You said shouldn't win for Koran. I don't even know who I am anymore. Teddy always asked me what's the role of the director. And I say, you know, he's got a hand in everything. But with Roma he literally had a hand in everything. Dams of writing the script cinematographer director getting a first time actor to give that type of performance. So yeah, I I'd like to see him when it I think he's going to win it and these guys man gamble del Toro Courant in a re to they're just fucking incredible to have three best friends to be three the greatest directors. Living today. What are the odds? It's like me you and Ted except we all hate each other. And none of us are particularly as good as they are. But but we're friends so hot Tout's like, we're the podcast podcast version of them. Probably still not because because we're not that popular. No. I think I think we're great. But like an eye tune. So I think we may like the top one fifty twice. So really twice. Yeah. Absolutely. She not bad. No. All right. Yeah. So let's go for best animated feature here. I think that's a good category. Nice little fun. One incredible to Brad bird. Isla? Dogs was Anderson Mirai memorial hosts soda Ralph breaks, the internet a bunch of people fairly written L. No rich more Phil Johnston. All you, don't like Ralph breaks the internet. It's such a weird one though in their Spiderman into the spider verse Bopper Shetty, Peter Ramsey and Rodney Rothman have you seen the promotion or the campaigning that just doing for Ralph breaks the internet, and then people just spam into this. Spiderman into the spider verse gifts. It's awesome. Yeah. I love it. I'll know incredible too. That's the one that promoted. Well, yeah. Yes. Incredible stew. They've got to and forgot all about that movie. I remember to the raccoons baby. And that's it. You know what? Incredible stew not greet. I lowered it. I think I gave it like a in the eighths. And when I went to go, revisit everything and like, all right last minute changes. I fucking drop that down guy. Go six out of ten. Hoof and the first one to me is nine point five at a ten. It is it's very unforgettable. And that's the worst thing a movie conducts very forgettable. Yeah. Yeah. It's very forgetful. And that's the worst thing movie can be so I mean, I think both of us want Spiderman into the spot into the spider verse to win. I don't know if we think it has a chance it definitely has a chance like one out of five marshal Ali, I think has been sweep and everything else has been winning all the other. So I'm pretty sure maybe one or two here and there, but. For some listen new Oscars right there, kind of embracing the comic book movie. So I think it'll get done earlier in the year. I thought I'll dogs. This would be the perfect I Oscars animated movie to win. I would say it should go to spider verse. But I think I'll dogs will win that was my prediction earlier, but I the more closer getting I think spider versus going to win. It should win too. All right. Let's go to cinematography. We have Cold War. Lucas Zoll the favourite Robbie Ryan never look away. Caleb Denel Roma? Alfonso Koran a star is born Matthew liba teak. I mean, Roma right? Yeah. We talked about it a lot. How Khurana is able to what he was able to do with that cabin pans and all that come on get out of here fella. You're a fly in the walls witnessing this very candid very real story unfolds. You you didn't feel like you were watching movie felt like you were just watching real life, and that's all the credit in the world to him. And what is he was able to do out of liked who is the favourite? Nathan. What was it? Nathan. I'll be Ryan Robbie Ryan was there. Nathan in there. No. Oh. I think that was shot extremely well to especially with the fish looks. Yeah. Fish. Yeah. It was a big fan of that. But I think it should go to Koran and we'll go to Koran. It's awesome. If he gets best director, and we'll talk about best pitcher. But if he gets best director and best in Matata for that's got. It's to be a first. So that's Oscar history. These guys are just constantly making history. It's ridiculous. I love the story to that Lubetzky was supposed to shoot it. And he was like, oh, well, oh, I can't make it for those couple of months and of those like all right? I'll shoot it. It's like, okay. Let me replace the arguably the greatest cinematographer of all time with myself talk about a weird flex not even a weird flex just Affleck's. Yeah. Just a casual flex. It's amazing. What these guys are doing? They're such an awesome fan day. Sue you ever seen the video of when game does Horo one last year, and there's people in the streets of the cutout Oscars, and like a big Oscar statue, and now you're going and del Toro cutouts. That's awesome. Yeah. It's like an NBA game almost. Yeah. I was gonna I'm trying to do that for me Adams. But no one will come to my meet up. No. Yeah. Pumpkin pie. That's what you've got to offer mo- people. Come. If you tell them punch, and pack. All right. Let's go to lead. Actress now, let's are with lead actor actually lead actor this is another stack category we have Christian bale for vice Bradley Cooper stars born Willem Dafoe at eternity skate Rami Malik bohemian rhapsody and Vigo Mortenson green book did not see add attorneys gay. Did you see that? No miss that one. I like me some Willem Dafoe. Yeah. And back to back. He was nominated for best supporting actor last year for the Florida project, which was a great film. So this is something that I definitely need to see before Oscar Sunday. I probably should've watched it before we recorded this video. But this is this is going to be close, even though I think it's going to be bale, and I wanted to be bale Rami Malik. He's got a shot. He's got a fighting shot. Oh, no. He's been I think has more than I think he's the favourite. I agree with you, though bail was fantastic. And I felt like as Malik been winning. Yeah. Malik be when you were watching bohemian rhapsody, and I think the best part of the movie besides the the musical sequences was his reforms. Did I think he was, Freddie? Mercury into think. He was ramming Malik doing, Freddie. Mercury impression Feis on like that stick Cheney. Yeah. I guess what you're saying. I know what you're saying. And it's a fair point. And you know, what I think it's a point that I also agree with, but I don't mind it because I got lost enough in the performance where there were times where that's mister robot acting like, Freddie, Mercury the difference. But he also had the advantage of the makeup. Yes. And the difference between he had the teeth. You know, no not. Well, yeah. He had the teeth Booker bills. A lot of it is his performance, and it was similar to Gary Oldman as Winston Churchill the makeup the hair makeup, which is probably going to win for vice you would think right. The more reflect onto to Gary Oldman Shalman should've worn. I don't agree with that. You cannot reason with a tiger. Ahead mouth subpeona Oldman. Wow. That's what he did. Whatever double entendre right there old, man. Oldman. Like that. That's the rap genius. When you look at you, click on the the lyric and tells you go. Yeah. That's what that means. Oh shit. That's always the best to when you have heard the same song over and over again for years, and you finally get it. I had that the other day with touch the sky Connie Lupe fiasco when he was like Lupe steel like lupin, the third you said this before and podcast, and it wasn't a couple of weeks ago. It was like last year. It was actually last year. Yes. Couple months ago. Okay. But it's still such a great story because that line still to this day looping the third and Louisiana's third holy shit. That's a fucking bar galaxy brain the meme, yes, that's twin peaks part eight nuclear explosion, so Christian bale gave the better performance in Rami Malik because yes, he does lose himself in the role. And I think he had some sort of advantage. I mean, he not some sort of advantage. He had an advantage with hair and makeup. I think too it kind of gets the performance gets losses. Freddie. Mercury. He is such a. Recognizable. And you know, Freddie, Mercury before even seeing this movie. I feel like I never ever really seen dick. I never like experienced Dick Cheney never watched him and ever seen him talk. So I guess what? Some of the first time I've seen this movie. Like, oh, it's easier for me to be like, oh, that's Dick Cheney rather than, Freddie. Mercury. Who I know who he was. And I can kind of pick and choose like, oh, that's kind of different where we're vice. I'm like, oh, this is this is Dick Cheney. I don't think Cooper it. Wasn't. It wasn't until after where I was watching like actual footage of Chania my go. Okay. Wow. It's pretty pretty close. You'll think Cooper's gotta shot. Did you see that Sean Penn op-ed? No, what was that? He was running a an op-ed about how the performance deserves more recognition. This boy Penn is such a weirdo. The big, Bradley Cooper guys. A big, Bradley Cooper, Hugo Chavez guy. He was so good too. And that's the thing too. I saw another post. It was like comparing Ramaema Malik Bradley Cooper, like probably Cooper learned to sing. He learned to play the guitar show him playing guitar on on the screen. That's him. He learned all these things. Open wide. He kind of transformed into this other guy. It's I don't know when you were watching that. Did you think that was Bradley Cooper? Did you think that was Bradley Cooper playing another guy? I I think he was down Jackson mean the. Oh, okay. That was his name. Yeah. Right. He's on a real person. No popular contrary. Teddy's belief say contrary to popular belief. But no one thought that except for teddy. So the thing is though I say that I think Malik has a shot. And obviously, he's the favourite because I haven't been keeping up with anything. I haven't slept in five days. So the thing is I think the bail performance is not significantly better. But there's a gap there where I don't think Malik is as close as everybody else. I think bail should be the clear favourite. I just think it's I tweeted the other day that I think Christian bells a better actor than Daniel day Lewis the tree. Check to take a look at the light. You what's a hundred take that? Or when I said Lord is better than the Beatles. That was that wasn't a take now. Yeah. It was that was just you. I dunno trying to start a war or something. Now. It'd be thinking out loud. It's more of a joke. But I still stand by it. No. Because that that takes we we all know that you don't believe it. That's the thing. It's such a ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. Little there. There's there's are flat authors. And we know that you're not that stupid. Well, I WI Carr earing listen to him speak. You really great points. Yeah. So I think bail should win. I think what about Vigo. Hey, what you never had a sandwich. Doc, you could walk down the street and five ten Italian guys who can do that performance ever. Where's he from ago? No. Yeah. He's good. And lord. He was good. He was good. Hey. Like that. Teddy. No, he was literally playing teddy. But now when you were watching that did you think that was Vigo Mortenson, or did you think that was teddy? Why are you taking that solo? Steady. Right. Damn cold world. So you're predicting Rammie. Yes. I'm predicting bail. I think bail should. I think bail showed and will. Yeah. I think that might be the upset. They might be too. Big upsets, according to Libya. All right. So let's go to the big one ear out lead. Actress. All right. Let's go to lead. Actress here, we have you. Lisa apprecia- for Roma. Glenn Close for the wife. Olivia Colman for the favourite lady Gaga, a star is born and Melissa McCarthy can you ever? Forgive me. Most underrated performance of the year. She was so good haven't seen. It is it on Amazon prime. Yes. Go watch it tonight. So great movie to actually my just watch my hero academia, but she was good, right? Yes. Fantastic. And I guess I might watch ocean waves. No, one cares. That is true. I think I don't know if this has anything to do with it. But she was in two pretty bad movies this year most McCarthy, and I don't think that should well, I think Halle Berry won the Oscar and. Yeah. On the the Razzie Santa book, Sandra. Bullock, sandra. Bullock saints. That will matter. I think she's not getting a lot of bugs, though, we'll public opinion too. Right. When I don't think she's respected as a dramatic actor, and she's not really respected as a comedic actor. I like it was a perfect blend soon this movie perfect blend a comedy and dramatic acting. I think she was my favorite performance of the year. Olivia Coleman, actually. But yes, so she's not going to win. I think she's like the the bottom has the worst odds to win. I think it's really between Glenn Close and Olivia Colman. That's another movie that I have not seen the wife. So you think link close what about lady Gaga, you're forgetting about the guy that movie lost all its momentum. Yeah. Did. Everyone. I saw what happened. Is trying to build up again. He's the momentum for stars worn like the rock. If there was leading the short everyone would have been on board. That would have been really weird the raw fish is really into storage born. Or if he's starred in it as Jackson main that would have been even weirder. But I thought she was the I you know, what I think lady Gaga should win. It. I still think that's the best performance for me. But when we closed between earn Coleman when that first came out two as Gaga fit a win. Actress Bradley Cooper, actor director and SARS born is gonna win best pitcher right now. It's like, you know, it might get it will get that song. You know? That's nice. That's an little Elmer shell then girl. I I think a was gonna win. And I think she should win as well. All right, cool. I'll take your word for it. Yeah. Well, this is what we're doing here at all, right? Let's go to the big daddy of Oscar nominations and awards. Best pitcher got Black Panther black klansman bohemian rhapsody, the favourite green book Roma stars born vice? There's always usually a clear favourite for best pitcher this year. I feel like there is a one. Can you imagine? If Black Panther gets it is there a shot that Black Panthers winning this award. No. But I would want it to just like scroll through Twitter that in bohemian rhapsody Twitter would explode. I kind of I'm rooting for bohemian rhapsody more. But there's there's too much stink on that movie. And it was never good enough. To win wasn't good enough. I better than bohemian rhapsody movie light years better. Yeah. I think I don't know. Yeah. Pulling the wraps. That's still boggles my mind and still haunts my fucking dreams. I hear me. Well, you singing halts Madria. No, no. When I hear it comes up on my shuffle on my. Get a little chill terrible. They've ruined. That's song for you forever. Yes. And you've ruined it for so many other people I think I might have done the favor thing. 'cause I was you know, so bad now when they hear the good version like oh my God. It's even better in. There is green book. You don't think green books got a shot? That's such a that's another one. Where critical clam it's right up there. I think as far as one of the favorites to win, but I feel like the public opinion in that movie is so in the dumps what public opinion is done to green book. It's the same thing that they did to three billboards three billboards outside ebbing, Missouri. It's like a little weird. You know, like, I there were problems with green book, and I can understand the criticisms I had the criticisms going in when I didn't even see it. But people take it a little bit too far it a vacuum. I think it's a very very good movie and the vacuum. I think I gave it like mid eights or something. But the problem with it is. Yeah. No not. But when you leave move, yes. After the movie too when I reflected on it. And I saw the complaints that we're out there. And I read up on how the script that was that was the main thing. Right. A lot of this didn't happen. Yeah. So is this guy son kind of making putting these things into the movie that actually didn't happen because there was a true story in these things happen. I'm like, well, what are you gonna do? That's what you story. But when you fabricate that aspect of the film, then I can understand criticisms but in the vacuum. What wall is in theater? I had a good time and said I thought it was it was funny. And I liked the story Mersch, always performance and Vigo Mortenson were all great. So. What about a star is born you think that's got a shot. No, no, all lameta wost. Vice definitely not no vice I think. Was going to rank the bottom ones bohemian rhapsody. Vice? The those who probably are the least likely to win. So who's your favorite here? I think the favorite should win. I've like that. Sounds like that. It's we wish you didn't do that. I think it's the best over the year. It was nine number one and experience not nominated. No, that's weird. Yeah. That's very unfortunate for you and your reputation. Bash yourself and your number one movies are never nominated now. And I think. We'll see if detected Beka chew gets in next year Roma will win I hope Roma wins because I love Roma. That was my top six. I think it was number six or number five maybe might have been number four need to go back and watch that video not my best video. I was kinda struggling there. What my top ten movies of the year. Yes. For some reason. I was trying to meet the deadline of finishing it before two thousand eighteen ended. Bad decision. I gave a review. Yeah. But you were wasted metro. I dunno you when you get wasted. You get nice, and I'm just like stay away from me the worst right with your compliments. Disgusting gross black klansman. No way. That's I I'm not watching the show. I'm not watching the Oscars. No, no. I think last year there was such a better group of a best picture nominees. This one's very top. Heavy. I think it's the favorite Rome on pretty much everything else. Right stars born. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe those those top three year, but the Oscars look at that. If we get everyone, right? And what do we win we win something? Should we give something to somebody else? No. I kind of want the easy route. I said all the favorites will win. So that's like, you can't blame eights. I'm not the one that's wrong. You don't. I'm really looking forward to March madness. That's I'm basically teddy. When it comes to that. I don't watch college basketball all year, but I fill out my fucking bracket. Like, I'm Jay Bilas. I showed outsmart yourself like it's kind of like you when you said, which who's the underdog you pick to win in supporting actress, I picked the Roma factor. Yes. Mt. D, And it's like when you pick Kentucky's gonna lose around to to Florida State University. Yeah. Yeah. That's see that you put you pick. There's no way. Wisconsin's beaten Florida Gulf Coast their thirteenth overall. I Don I dislike the he's like them as the thirteenth sif. That's there's always I want team in like, you think I got it right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then they'll lose a lead eight they're not gonna go that far. Exactly. But then they go to the final four, George Mason. We should do a podcast on that March madness podcasts. I think our subscribers would not like that at all. Won't unsubscribe joking. That was me. No love you. Love, you know, subscribers not you was also talking to. I didn't think you were saying that you loved me. You. But the fact that you had to qualify that you weren't. Makes me think that you might love me. Why don't want you to get this way the wrong idea? Like, oh, he loves me. How did this podcast with this? This is this is so weird talking to leading every video right now. I'm doing it right now. Our guys, thanks for listening subscribed. Like share enjoy the Oscars enjoyed life. You know, you only get one. We think some people think that there's one forever. You see that video of those going viral litters house smaller compared to everything else in the galaxy. I was like nothing I was actually liberated now. Nothing. I do matters. Oh, yeah. That's what I wake up every day. And I feel stress and I tell myself. Oh, wait. None of this people are like feeling depressed. Like, oh, nothing. Nothing. I do matters. I'm like nothing. I do matters. Yeah. Yeah. No, taffy, do whatever I want skipping down the streets. Yeah. No. But that actually makes me very depressed. It's very very sad. When. My existential dread is literally destroying my psyche. All right, guys. See you next time.

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Weekend: Adam Driver; "Joker" music; Liz Phair; "South Park" v. China; "Parasite" director & more...

"PODCASTING supported by Fox searchlight presenting Joe Joe Rabbit an antiwar satire directed by tyco YTD starring Scarlett Johansson Sam Rockwell Thomas and Mackenzie rebel Wilson Stephen Merchant and Alfie Allen in select theaters Friday I knew that it would be provocative for a woman to sing so say it one of the finest if not the finest of his generation thank you off movies work when you read something and you hear the character speak to you and then you get on set and maybe directors hearing the character speak in a different way is that hard to divorce yourself from how you have heard that voice speaking to you yeah you quit you quit what you see before you a great actor a great screen presence truly understand the character but I trust that maybe over time hopefully before we start shooting that something will come to me but there is definitely a moment and different in every movie when either be the first time I read it or sadly sometimes when it's over where figure it out a little later the Icelandic composer joker talks about writing creepy music for a creepy character we're going to start with a conversation I had with why show up and kind of wing it Adam drivers character might have killed off Han Solo in Star Wars but in his next movie he's got a more important battle categorize them but I'm wondering if there's a common denominator even though the roles are really different when you see a script or hear an idea and how it strikes you and if there's a Adam driver at the telluride film festival coming to the stage Adam driver he was at the festival for Noah Baumbach new movie marriage story if we you know sit shows a week and suddenly the last performance always like oh if I could do it now I feel like I have a better understanding obviously you don't you know that's not that's not saving his marriage and why has China declared war on this series South Park the frame weekend from the Broadcast Center at KABC I'm John Horn lose fair set the record straight on the frame weekend and we find out the secret Tatham drivers short but prolific acting career. I just don't take it for inquiry right back welcome to the frame weekend I'm John Horn have succeeded we have a special guest he was presented with a career honor a medallion if you want to be exact by this guy director Martin Scorsese on this show we talk with creative people about how and why they do what they do and about how there are is impacted by the wider world. The I don't know how we follow Mardi we're GONNA try looking at these selected roles that we saw in your real it's impossible is leave Marty no absolutely I feel like I've learned to not have a right answer about going on common reaction you have when you know this is something you want to do well it's a director's medium so mostly the director is what I kind of I think of because sometimes I don't question because it involves with every person some directors are so they're such visual storytellers that it's really hard for them to articulate what it is set like I've learned to try to do as much research as you can and I try not to have an idea that I impose on set because I always feel that that when the directors and maybe your fellow actors have different ways of working how do you find the ground on which you're most comfortable and where you think you can act the most competently that's actors in the scene and often I feel like the scene finds it out like it's not all one thing I guess to answer your question how do you navigate your way as an actor who might have a certain way of working my journey it's not my job to have a feeling all the time it's the audience's job to have a feeling so a why limit yourself by coming in with an idea that you're trying to impose on A. and then going into film television what are the things that you might miss but retain as an actor who's doing a show in front of a different audience every night when you're not out of control something that's uncontrollable than than the the more it's less fund you were recently doing burn this I'm wondering when you're doing it they want from you and that's fine it's it's it's just a different way like soda bird for example well shoot things incredibly fast and one or two takes to do this take it for granted that we're making a movie and someone's paying a lot of money for us to be here right now for this amount of time to do this thing you've regret of like you can't help go home and imagined I had all these ideas that now but then again maybe those were bad ideas right where you kind of under when you get that and that made sense to me to also look at because I came from a theater background and you play for five months and says me off to other choices you do your homework do your research but then show up and then have to be prepared that six months is down the drain because the it goes incredibly fast and then there's other people that will shoot fourteen sixteen hours a day you know they're they're just learned to adjust it's kind of similar to what I was just saying the more play because it's like a whole run of a rehearsal truncated into a day which is I think rare with someone like no and you're also rehearsing no our Jim Jarmusch what does that give you in terms of familiarity obviously you like the way they work as filmmakers but what does it mean practically in terms of what you do the conversation is totally fine until they start counting down ten nine of the money in time that would we'd lose if they'd gone wrong really starts to enter into your minded than and that's it we did it once and that was the only but all of this kind of like that and by the time you break for lunch shot everything for the day so not able to replicate that on a film that yeah it's a totally different thing it's working with Nola for example he likes to do a lot of takes and that actually feels more familiar to working on it I mean the topic is was something that I you know embarrassingly didn't know anything about and I mean the original report is over six thousand pages the redacted version is so I don't know anything the tribute is a sham couple last things when you work with with directors that you work before or someone has a better idea and you you you have to take ego out of and be like the most important thing is the thing overall not my just over five hundred and our script was one hundred and thirty how do you how do you tell that story as economically as possible but not without leaving the humanity out of it so that all of those things just seemed an opportunity to bring a topic to light that has been in the dark and that I was inspired four times this this is the fourth time at there's there's something that we are way of working work ethic is similar in that they just don't just brought theater initially it was just theater to a military audience to kind of show the commonality between the military and artistic community in there by that you hope there's people like that in a room alone toiling away for six years with no support Uh nonprofit when we were second year students at juilliard because I come from the Marine Corps and I had noticed change in myself that suddenly I was able to through theater in this movie called Logan Lucky where the drive a car into a convenience store and he's like they WanNa do it and my yeah he's like well do it but we're only get to do at once so then you start to get like Assyrian relevant and when they don't it feels like a waste of time and dangerous and you're forced to be intimate with people short amount of time we anyway we just we take a play I'm GonNa ask you a quick question without spoiling either film I want to ask you about Dan Jones and post nine eleven detention and interrogation program since you have how does it evolve when you're somebody that you've done multiple films with I can answer that for a long time especially about those two people Jim Jarmusch and Noah worked with base and we read it and then we talk about it afterwards no sets or costumes and our lights and the responses is pretty incredible you know it's like you're at the forefront of watching someone you know if you can be as much as you can before you start just being prepared to give yourself time to explore all the options when you don't do that with like a soderbergh than I tend to have in which a lot of people would call torture they call it extreme rendition other things what would you say about that film going into it without giving it away about why that movie spoke to you and why you thought it was something you wanted to do isn't such a divide you have a group of people trying to accomplish a mission bigger than any one person you have someone who's leading it and when they know what they're doing if feels like what you're doing hub of the world so but that's still not some so we decided to create a project where we south three time show of hands how many people are in telluride for the atom driver double feature marriage story and the report wow okay that's about half a house that will last forever why take that for granted why show up and kind of wing it and finding people have your same work ethic it's a rare thing I think I just repeated of can transition and how that can be violent set not physically violent an internal violent thing of you know some you've never took into consideration that door opens out or that or that your partner's drunk or that you know I mean that doesn't happen often but her articulate a feeling that I didn't have the language because it wasn't really part of my growing up in Indian to Indiana but it just wasn't wasn't the theatrics it's hard to hard to talk about because it's very personal it was personal to all the people who made it collectively and we talked about Saturday night live has gotten a lot of attention for weekly rose to Donald Trump and his administration but Washington Post pop culture and exploring stereotypes and sort of our inherent biases and expectations when it comes to race you know I wrote in one kinetically you know it's everything you're what you were in a room where you are together a second nature then suddenly divorce that from yourself hitters next month you're listening to the frame weekend I'm John Horn and experience a new art form they're like Oh this is what play is a play I'd never could afford it before it was then accessible to me I didn't know theatre was like that I I didn't either trying to trying to make a difference and all those reasons I liked wanted to do it here's something where you can make a difference and it is arts armed forces there could be painful but but maybe it's just transitioning into something different and I thought that was a beautiful idea Adam thank you ovechkin reporter Bethany Butler highlighted a different subject that's been getting the SNL treatment I think that the show is being a little bit daring and edgy and that conversation with Adam driver was recorded in front of a live audience at the telluride film festival his movies Mirrored Story and report both open and the rented the making of a movie and someone's paying a lot of money for us to be here right now to do this thing that will last forever in a white take that for granted thanks different people will take away from marriage story what was the thing that you treasure about making this film knowing scarlet again that could be a long answer that I know I should keep short I mean this in daytime TV news anchors and they find themselves in a competition about what raise some perpetrators of crimes might be so what was it about that sketch that you thank was so effective and worked so well for SNL. I think to start when the sketch started didn't really know what it was going to be it's you know a couple of years before we started making those conversations of what's out or what will retry are still happening but how killer about a sketch called midday news and welcome back to Wfan new midday news coming down I ask you about that skit so it's kind of this fun twist you know it's when phoebe Waller Bridge is reading this first crime report and it's about someone who robbed a gas station and audibly celebrate and they're really excited perfect described as a white male love it and then eventually the white anchors also get into this game I wanna ask you about hiring it does feel like this show is hiring more people of color and women not only performers but also as writers city both back stage and on screen you know a lot of the conversation about SNL diversity and I think it's probably happened more in the shows you know of trying to anticipate what race these criminals will be and usually they have their expectations subverted is said to have been operating a decade plus history but recently it was in two thousand fourteen when people started talking about how the show did not have any black and do you think that is changing the kinds of comedy the show is doing I deal I think it's really apparent when you watch the show now that there is diverse the people in the skit or the guest host phoebe Waller Bridge and SNL CAST members Kenan Thompson a go Chris read and Alex Buffet and they're yeah thanks for the organization that you join Tucker people don't know why does it and why does it matter Tucker my wife and I started this and when she starts talking about the perpetrator who police believe is a white man Keenan Thompson and Wadham the two black anchor members of Asian American descent and people were really excited about his hiring I I think that there is a lesson in into our express that and now I can anyway that's that's what we doing question I think this is the frame weekend I'm it to hire a black woman to be a member of the cast and Lorne Michaels the show's longtime executive producer pledged to hire a black woman comedian women comedians on I think it had been about seven years since Maya Rudolph left the show that you know they had even made a concerted effort expectations and kind of caught us out a little bit it makes us thank in to Larry US we're talking with Bethany Butler a pop culture TV reporter at the Washington Post Best SNL sketches in the trump era aren't about politics they're about race Bethany thanks so much for coming on the show thanks so much for having me coming up Indie rocker Liz fair was misunderstood because of her sex positive lyrics now a specific racial group you can't use racial slurs just you know it seems kind of for the sake of it I think you have to be really thoughtful and you have to know what your she's setting the record straight with a new memoir I have never found it served anyone to answer the question what is the song about every single time your goal is in the scheduler routine that you're doing Bethany Butler is a pop culture and TV reporter The Washington Post She's the author of the column the some of SNL's racial comedy that you can do really insightful humor around race but it can't you know target hundred percent that trade body she's a future player and the show has very visibly had very few I look at that he's black really what you know smart about this because it also subverts viewers and they hired so shears the Mata but certainly the conversations about SNL and its overall lack of diversity have not stopped so this year they hired Bowen Yang. Yeah well I'm running paragraphs so this is my time I'm having my moment I'm basically the lives of China right now yourself following the death of prince I'm wondering how that call served as a catalyst for writing what you wrote it was very funny phone conversation stories and it was released this week we reach Liz Fair in a studio in New York you talk in the prologue to horror stories about a phone call between your manager in Horn it's safe to say that a lot of us were rattled by the deaths of Prince and David Bowie in two thousand and sixteen but not everyone was so moved to face our own mortality and put down what they wanted to say before they were no longer alive well not all of us are less fair the Indie rocker burst the unique conversation where he kind of challenged me in a way I wasn't expecting you know I didn't think of myself as old but he was like Liz none of us know how long we've got you know you don't know are you going to be here tomorrow you don't know is what you're making right now what you'd WanNa leave behind if it was the last thing you ever did you think you can be more honest as a writer than you are asking musician in a way obviously you have more room a multibillion dollar Ponzi scheme that kind of money he was arrested this morning in Boca Raton doc to explain a situation get more granular with it and really sort of muse about the unanswered questions I think that was made mm-hmm I explain what I think about it disappoints never speaking with Liz fair coming up next on the frame weekend we'll be right back 'cause very early in the book you wrote and I'm quoting yourself back to yourself you say I'm trusting you with my deepest self and I'm wondering if the scene in one thousand nine hundred ninety three with her debut album exile in guy veiled and now she has a new memoir hi John How are you it's titled Horror I mean I have never found it served anyone to answer the question that is commonly asked me what is the song about and it just shook me up because suddenly thought like no I have more to say I have more to say that I would like to say in this sort of when I started writing the most fun thing about the pros writing is that I can russell with a problem that I can't find a solution to and I can wrestle with it page after page long has been recorded properly it ceases to be mine it can be created by me but it belongs to everybody at that point sees his or her songs and the way an audience does and where they align and when they don't and what that's like that occasional disconnect out these moments when real connection feeling is abandoned in favor of self preservation and it got me thinking about the way an artist on the same page they can't make you an object I reasoned if you're adamantly and vociferously the subject of your own sexuality invited that kind of interest after I published sexually frank lyrics you'd have gotten the cause and effect flipped and then you're right every single time I explain what I think about it disappoints speaking with really sad I'm setting up here's what's happening here's what your takeaways I'm GonNa play a bit of a song from your first record this song is called bright being female in the entertainment industry can sometimes feel like running a never ending gauntlet of Horny dudes if you think line and sort of amplified I thought of it as rightfully a part of my personality and there was a lot and it's interesting but it doesn't resolve and I think with a song you kind of have to resolve that and kind of say like do here's here's a here's what whole idea of what they want it to be about and for them if that is what it is about that is what it is about it really isn't mine anymore and I know that's a cliche people interpreted what you're trying to say that's a very good question I think that that never quite resolved certainly I did not realize how the sexual aspects would eclipse any discussion of anything else or how that would be picked up in a head for me I saw it I knew what I was doing I knew that it would be provocative for a woman to sing so explicitly about sex so I intended that they may have dynamics that involve that but they're not like explicitly sexual and I think again why is this culture so comfortable so that's what you believed but then other people saw you in a different light based on what you were singing about so what is your take away from how you wanted to be seen and in a weird way there's a chapter in this book called Hashtag and there's a lot going on it but I'm going to ask you about a couple of things and one is that with violence and so uncomfortable with sexuality why is that it's weird it doesn't seem healthy to me psychologically you're basically fair game and that hurts that feels bad that's not a positive thing and I think I think I wrote that chapter you write in the book everybody thinks this song about sex and on one level it is but it's also has it always send it off into the world they're like my children but I let them go I don't think of my songs is my children but I also don't think of them as mine once they're completed once into a lot of hip hop and I'm curious when you hear teenage kids maybe your own listening to music that is maybe it's complicated I'm sorry to tell you but that's the truth like this is what seems so weird to me is how many men are unaware of what women's lives are like a special I'm guarding my sexuality behind like Defensive Wall just to grow up and be mature and have sexual relationships I would like a world in which in the end to kind of just say the point is not all the separate things that happened the point is I don't WanNa have to feel like I make twice that amount and yet it seems so casual it seems like this is the thing that any woman has to deal with on a daily basis Lee and most particularly if you step out of your lane if you dare to live a life that isn't one of the prescribed and approved of roles for women way about the propositions that you got mostly from record label executives including somebody who's like I'll pay you five thousand dollars a month to be my living concubine you like I explicitly about sex so I intended that I did not realize how the sexual aspects would eclipse any discussion of anything else indie rock I can do both I can be intelligent and safe and still have sachs that's pretty much all I want I'm GonNa ask you one last question I think you have a teenage son so I mean there were eighteen songs exellent Guy Ville and I would say at least fifteen aren't really about sex per se is that right now he's twenty two okay so have you have a young son I have a nineteen year old son I will tell you he's not listening to Liz Fair right now but he's listening why we need just back right in almost kind of an offhand was I just the fair about her new book horror stories phew boy but maybe it's ultimately a little misogynistic what are the conversations that you have a parent about musical tastes because it's really tricky for me and I'm wondering how you navigate that where it came up in our household because my son he's into pretty his stuff is more like synth wave he's into that kind of like eighties again and join us back here for the daily version of the frame on Monday it's such a magical process I thought it was really important to feel like we were like in frame weekend I'm John Horn the Joaquin Phoenix movie joker has been polarizing for its portrayal of mental illness and gun violence but it's also you're listening to clearly drawing audiences to the multiplex the film has grossed nearly three hundred million dollars worldwide among the parts that make the film so compelling stopping it so I just tried to work on the on the character and the brain I think I did okay he's I pretty great experience music very physically as I read the script I I have a physical reaction to the story and it was kind of very car I did spend some time explaining the difference and the importance of the difference between Porn and real connection so you may not listen to hip hop has his inner character and that's what I was trying to do with that is and also unsettling is it score it comes from an Icelandic composer who recently shared her process for joker with the frames Jonathan Shift well to me it it felt it like thank you know made sure he could only see this that and the other thing I kept pretty good track of it for a while and then when he hit like adolescence there's just no like when you're physically with another person that it's a different

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In-Nitro Fermentation (A Cloning Case Study)

Close Encounters of the Slurred Kind

34:47 min | 1 year ago

In-Nitro Fermentation (A Cloning Case Study)

"Hi there job. Effet here on Ripley is last trip to the gamma quadrant. We totally forgot our world tour compilation albums and we're left with nothing. Listen TO THE RADIO. Static and space particles. Luckily we both have spotify accounts on spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account. Spotify has a huge collection and catalog of podcasts. On every topic even the weird ones. Like the one. You're listening to right now on spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts. You never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are easily share. What you're listening to your friends on instagram. So if you haven't done so already be sure to download the spotify APP and search for close encounters the slurred kind on spotify or browse podcasts. In the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow us so you never miss an episode of close encounters the slurred nine. The Solomon is the fourth hon production. So many possibilities I mind is racing. If we're GONNA use this thing which I'm not even sure we should. We need to keep it simple. I want to be popular at school. Okay summer what did I just a Mr Metex. Look at me. I WANNA be more complete woman. Yes ma'am cloning. Has Been a controversial and polarizing topic long before the media enamored audiences with books and films such drastic park in the possibility of cloning long extinct. Woolly mammoth carcass buried in Russian permafrost. Are we really playing God? If we decide to create life what would the ramifications of such an undertaking be? Does it really matter if it's GonNa Bring Back Endangered Species cure diseases repair and regrow damaged? Tissue provide alternative ways of cultivating food sources extend human life and give us a deep understanding of the biggest question ever posed by science. What does it all mean? Keep these issues in mind as we dive into another exciting episode aboard the Black Swirl and glide into another one of our anti-matter minute dimensions more murky territories. Open your third eye. Pet DOLLY THE SHEEP AND BUCKLE UP. It's time for the first mini case studies on close encounters of the cloned kind. It's time for the news. Delete delete delete delete delete. Hey there while Ripley's been out gallivanting around the COSMO's something about a much needed break from a recent tax evasion adventure. I decided to try and make some modifications to our food replicator as a surprise for when he returns if my calculations are correct by adjusting the NANNA wave signature. Here in the optronics impulse. Sensors may be able to turn replicator into a state of the art three D. Printer. Just one more minor tweet and hand which who are. You can't look who am I shit instead of creating a three d printer. It looks like I inadvertently unlock secrets of human. Cloning Ripley can barely stand one of me. I don't know how he's GonNa Handle Fox. That's opposed shut up. Just let me think for a minute. I know who wants to be the first of you the most recent edition of Space Dixon's the VR experience. I do my way me. Well I think I left it in the emergency shuttle pod. We picked up on guide. He prime finders keepers initiating launch sequence. Who that's better before you call me a monster. I didn't just blast them all space. I set a course for the nearest star base. Besides who knows what station full of Joba sets accomplish humanity. Thank me one day. I'm sure until then. Let's get down to business rather than go into our usual. Slough Zany articles. We're going to be covering some of the most infamous science fiction movies regarding the topic of cloning myths involving the cloning process a comprehensive list of successfully cloned animals and finally dissect a more recent article covering the latest news on the subject. At hand and away we go all right lunar ladies and gas giant. Gentlemen it is time to get into our first two. I did things here so I when we got is coming from science fiction DOT com. And we're GONNA go over the top five Scifi movies all about cloning. So of course the first and most prevalent One that cultivated a really awesome cult following was the fifth element. Nineteen ninety seven While it's not exactly about human cloning. The fifth element shows these downing results. That are possible. When mankind has the technology to clone. Extra terrestrial beings before Bruce Willis was seeing dead people he was out at cruising around in cool and futuristic flying cars and going and attending really cool space operas with chick that looks like she's from Star Wars with the weird little technical head things and actually seems really really song so anyways that's my biggest takeaway from the Vienna. It's got a really really big following it. Was you know it was good? It was definitely a core element of SCIFI. A core element the fifth one to be percent to be precise all right. So let's go on down to the next one here a star trek movie tugging on my own heart strings star Trek Nemesis from two thousand and two in this one. One of cats and the cards worst fears is realized he's actually cloned by rebel forces in the Romulo Empire that clones Glory be criminal CEO. Patrick Stewart's acting is awesome in this movie as always you know he he just knocks it. Out of the park is John Picard and He expertly shows the frustration of trying to change the behavior of someone who thinks just like he does but has had divergent experiences Basically is pretty good. Movie was one of the weaker injuries in You know the Star Trek next generation filmography but you. It came out around my birthday back when I was like I think I was twelve years old and you know it. It had one of the most bad ass shifts which we talked about one of our previous episodes The Scimitar in just for that alone. I think it's definitely worth mentioned. So that knocks us on down over to The number three the island. This movie was fanned frigging tasks. One of the only Michael Bay movies that I've ever liked This one's definitely exception. It's got the best film plot ever created about. Cloning in my opinion used for surrogate organs and baby farming some of the visuals within the cloning facility. Such as the clothing and interior design are reminiscent of sci-fi Classic Logan's run stars McGregor and Scarlett Johansson who are basically being tricked into thinking that if they win something called the lottery that they're gonna be able to go and spin life. Outside of the apocalyptic ruin that they've grown up to believe is all around them when really they're just being grown and used for their spare parts so fucked up but you know what Just a really innocent Scarlett Johansson in in her sexy white. Zip Up suit in that man that makes all the worth while all right going on down to a nother fim fatal fantasy masterpiece a on flex two thousand five and this one clones are used to save humanity from extinction. And this is starring. Charlie's the Ron. Oh Lord from Scarlett Johansson to Charlie's Doron think cloning Sifi might be my new favorite kind of Scifi one of my favorite actresses obviously shows what happens when a man with political power wants to achieve pseudo immortality through cloning in his willing to commit murder in order to maintain the cloning process. I'll be honest with you. I hadn't seen it but knowing that'll has shirley's the Ron Is definitely going to make me have to give it a go so If you have seen it and you let it let us know. We now have a twitter account which was mentioned in a previous episode. So hit us up and let us know what you think about. Any of these five movies were mentioning right now so then the next and last one number five is moon. It's a captivating in thought provoking tale. What happens when a corporation is allowed to create human clones without regard to the wishes and desires of those clones Sam Rockwell plays the role of Sand Bell. An excellent Petrova man suffers a nervous breakdown is the truth of his situation is slowly revealed. This one is a slow burn. But it's one of those those thrillers that are awesome. It's you know it's not a super fast paced movie pretty much. The whole thing takes place inside a lunar space station but it is amazing in every sense of the word. It's one of those performances that you know you can watch it again and again and again and it just doesn't get old so I definitely recommend moon for sure then. We have the two honorable mentions here. You know Star Wars attack of the clones obviously was all about the colognes and you know as Django Boba and all the rest of them you know come about so got that and then we also have drastic park which is obviously a bit of a far fetched You know entry into the world of cloning but you know still super cool. You can't go wrong giant dinosaurs eating people you know you. Just you just can't so anyways so that That's basically the top five. Cloning science fiction movies I guess surrogates and other Bruce Willis one could be mentioned there. But it's not really an exact same realm so anyways that takes care that we'll move on to the myths about cloning this one's coming at you from the US Food and Drug Administration Which is an odd place to find such things so one myth is that cloning technology. It's actually not new at all. In fact we eat. Fruit from plant clones. All the time in the form of bananas and grafted fruits so It's been a long. It's been a long thing it's been a thing that's been happening for many many years and some of the ones that have been bananas potatoes. Apples grapes pears peaches off clones Another myth is that clones are a specific animals. Dna grafted onto another body which is just simply not true. Despite science fiction books and movies clones are born. Just like any other animal. The only difference is that the clones don't require sperm and egg to come together to make an embryo. Sounds a lot less fun. In my opinion Clone embryos are made by using a wholesale or cell nucleus from a donor animal. Infusing it to an egg cell. That's had its nucleus removed. That embryos implanted into the uterus of surrogate dam not a surrogate dirt rule but asserted damn Livestock term basically the breeders used to refer the female parent of an animal so cool another myth offspring of clones are clones in each generation gets weaker and weaker and has more and more problems. This is not true at all. A clone produces offspring sexual reproduction. There we go. That's the way we like it just like any other animal. Farm Breeder can use natural mating or any other assisted reproductive technology such as such as artificial insemination or in vitro fertilization to breed colognes just as they do for other farm animals so the offspring or not clones the same as any other sexually reproduced animals Another myth which Kinda had me stumped was that clones are always identical in looks. I always assumed that if you were to clone something you would look identical. But I guess that's just not the case. In fact make loans have slight variations in colour and markings so let's think about identical twin cabs. They have the same jeans but look a little different because of the way those genes are expressed. That is how the information in that gene is seen in the actual animal for example. If they're Holstein cows which with fuck Holstein cows. Maybe it's more than just a Hafstein cow. The pattern of their spots or the shape of their ears may be different Human identical twins also have the same jeans but because those genes are expressed differently in each person they have different freckle and fingerprint patterns. You know as a person who suffers from freckles. Yeah that's right I said suffer. I wouldn't really if there was a clone of me walking around and he had a different freckle pattern. Probably wouldn't fucking know the difference. I just did a damn. You've got it to bummer. Oh the bummer. Being Ginger another myth clones have exactly the same temperament and personality is the animals from which they were cloned. That's kind of interesting Temperament is only partly determined by genetics. Also has a lot to do with the way an animal has been raised. So I guess you know you raise one clone and a We'll both we'll take a The expanse for instance which is a show. I've been watching in loving and if you haven't seen it on Amazon prime you definitely should. So one. Clone was raised in the belter asteroid field. You know they probably going to be a little bit different accent a little bit more rough around the edges versus one who was raised in. Like you know the UN earth sphere. Who's probably more sophisticated. And you know all that so anyway crazy. So another myth. One clones are born the same age as their donors and don't live long so clones or born the same way as other newborn animals as babies no one really knows what causes aging in mammals but most scientists it has to do with part of the chromosome called a telomere. This is where I wish. I had ripley to go and say things about completely fucking them up that functions as a kind of a clock in the cell. Telomeres tend to be long at birth And Shorten as Anna wages. That's telling me you're not teletubby. So for noted remember that so anyways another myth cloning results in severely damaged animals that suffer and can continue to have health problems all their lives. Who Pita would attack this one and not agree. But so the mass majority of swine and goat clones or born healthy grow normally and are no more susceptible to health problems than their non-cloned counterparts. So during the early days what is known as assisted reproductive technologies and livestock veterinarians? Notice that some CAF- land fetuses grew too large during pregnancies and had serious birth defects This set of abnormalities is referred to as large offspring syndrome syndrome. I think that's that might be what your mom had. Also okay just kidding. Sorry don't hate me. Your unsubscribe anyways these saint normalities have also been seen in calf and lamb clones and received a lot of attention because they occur what appear to be higher rates than observed with other assisted reproductive technologies. Cool Cool Leaney's another myth. Is that CALC loans. Make human pharmaceuticals in their milk. Lots people get this confused. The clones we're talking about here are just clones. They don't have any new genes added to them and they don't make pharmaceuticals or any other non milk substances in their milk. They just do the same thing as their conventionally bred counterparts. Now as long I mean that just makes me wonder you know if I was a cow. Greg. Could you milk me? If you didn't catch as the parents reference Yano on pathetic so cows that pharmaceuticals that make pharmaceuticals in. Their Milk are genetically engineered that they have new genes added to them. Some of these genetically engineered animals can be reproduced by cloning. Which is why some get a bit confused about this concept -nother myth here when a chicken clone lays eggs. The chicks hatch are also clones. Which I would assume you know. That's something that makes sense in my opinion but neither chickens nor any other kind of bird have been cloned yet so far mice rats rabbits cattle and other closely related but in Endangered Garze in band tanks. I think a Gar- is type of Ox I think Swine sheep goats deer horses mules. Cats dogs are the animals that have been cloned so. That's kind of crazy to think that a chicken hasn't been balloon. I wonder if there's just a ban on you know chickens. I think maybe the powers that be that. Were take take over that. I think. Mcdonald's got their hand or Chick-fil-a got got you know a hold of cloning technology. It was somehow allowed. I can't imagine the kind of monstrosities that they were creating. Probably like ten pound Nuggets Cheeky keys in the words of Baby Yoga. So all right next one here Myth meat from clones is already in the food supply after years of detailed study and analysis the FDA is concluded that meat and milk from clones of cattle swine and goats and the offspring of clones from any species traditionally consumed as food safety as food from conventionally bred animals. We don't expect food from clowns to enter the food supply in any great amounts. These animals will be used for breeding. Who all right almost down the list. Here we only have a two left. So myth cloning can cure diseases in livestock. Oh it's a bummer. That that's a myth clothing can't directly cure diseases in livestock. The cloning process may be one way to make a healthy copy of a valuable animal that has contracted the disease been injured or died. In addition cloning may also be away to duplicate a disease resistant. Animal and over generations key create a disease resistant. Heard that's pretty cool. Bad s some superhero goats upon the herd but but all right last but not least. The Myth of scientists can bring back extinct species by cloning them bomber her. Well they're gonNA Dress Park Fan boys out there. Just hoping that that she'd exists although it's theoretically possible at this time it's not very likely to happen anytime soon. Although there are efforts of individuals to D- extinct extinct species the approaches used are much more sophisticated than simple cloning and require reassembly of the genomes of the extinct species by using the closest living relatives as a template. So although it's feasible we wouldn't expect that you'd see this at this time or in the near future. So anyways that that takes care of All the myths about cloning so thanks. Usa Food and Drug Administration just peachy. Now we're GONNA get into Super Super Interesting list of of cloned animals that have been success. So this one's coming from interesting engineering dot com and this is just going to go over the list of You know the animals that have been successfully cloned so the first one is a carp. No not a magic karp from pokemon. Because who the fluck would want any more than any more of those. You know eating them. Were trying to get a Garretta's those things were bad ass. So in Asian carp am I been a imagine carp since pokemon Asian so Asian carp was successfully cloned in nineteen sixty three in a mere decade later. Here comes another name that I don't WanNa fuck and say Tong disaster also cloned a European Cruzan carp so cool. Lame but kind of cool. I mean not not lame. If you're hungry enough to everyone's famous favorite Dolly the sheep perhaps the most famous of all cloned animals Dali was created artificial in Nineteen ninety-six. Homeboy was six years old. Dali live to the grand old age of six. Oh crazy wow I was born and six years old nineteen ninety-six lived to also be six. That's kind of weird. She was the first cloned mammal and to this day is considered a great success. There have been many versions of Dolly Sense. Which is a little Perturbing So you know I wonder you know since Dolly the sheep was cloned. I wonder if you could clone Dolly Parton Bubis. That'd be awesome. I I would love it. You know what I mean. They're they might be on a little bit too big spectrum but I think that's an experiment. That's well worth the undertaking. So all right another one was God. These names Koo Koo Koo. Marlena Comma Leah Cumin Lena Q. Lena the mouse this cheeky little rodent was clean. Cla- cloned in Hawaii in Nineteen ninety-seven unsurprisingly. Cume you Lima was the first successfully cloned mouse. She lived to the ripe old age of two years and seven months man that she was just eager to kick the bucket after such a long long lifetime so this is a great achievement for her Creator. She produced two litters and was later retired into the dark. But Yep so no and Kaga which are basically cows is the next one. We're going to talk about the Japanese. Were quite prolific during the nineties and during their cloning program yet does seem like a lot of these have Asian descent. These cows were created in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I love how we've got ninety. Six Ninety seven ninety eight and have subsequently been duplicated. Several thousand time sent several Thousand Times. Holy Cow Noto and. Kaga have paved the way for many other clones engineered to bruce improved meat and milk products coup number five. Mira the goat go the greatest of all tone another example of a cloned ruminant ruminant I think maybe a classification of Animal Mira was cloned in nineteen ninety eight Mira and her sisters were created in. Us LAB AS PREDECESSORS OF LIVESTOCK ENGINEERING FOR THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY See here on next. We have a family of pigs. Milly Alexis KRISTA DOT COM. That's very funny and not not literally saying that's dot com that's literally the name is dot COM. How unfortunate and corral which. I'm hoping has a lot to do with Steve Grill. That'd be really cool. But also probably not the case so see The family of clones. If an accurate collective term four clones were created for modification to allow for human cell and organ transplant. So million her copies were created in two thousand by US based company coup Ombretta the MU flawn. Wow that sounds like in egg souffle Of some really fancy French restaurant that I probably get kicked out of so Ombretta on Blitzer. That's that was Russian later on blade. Okay I'm done. I obviously can't fucking to a Frenchaccent is a great example of cloning for the good before on. Blerta now is Italian Mu flawn or an endangered species until of course two thousand and one. When this species was brought back from the brink of extinction this was a great example of how surrogacy can help produce viable clone of endangered species. Thanks Ombretta what. A good hombre. That Ombretta is all right. Next is Tetra the Rhesus monkey not received like the like the cup. He's not literally a peanut butter and chocolate dipped monkey which would be a horrific scene especially since they throw poop. Because you get confused what which is poop. And what's the what's the peanut buttercup stuff you know? My mind goes and such weird places The LAD monkey world Received it's the lab. The lab monkey world received its first cloned in two thousand. Us based Tetra is the first in a series of cloned monkeys that scientists could use as test subjects to learn more about diseases like diabetes coup. No other Gar Gar Yes I was. Right is an Asian auks that has been dwindling in numbers so thankfully they were successfully cloned in two thousand. And one sadly noah lived for two days and died of dysentery soon after poor guy so number ten we've got the copycat CC copycat could well be the starting gun for an entirely. New Industry of pet clones created in two thousand one copycat was well a domestic cat and was also the world's first cloned pet. That's kind of cool. I WANNA I wanNA cone pet Ralph the rat given the never ending game of cat and well you know rat. It is only fair to include Ralph. So Ralph was one Orders Legion three rat pups but in the litter of rats were called pups. That's kind of weird but okay created in two thousand and two Ralphs genetic makeup. May well be used in research labs in the future a hundred and twenty nine embryos were implanted into two female rats. Holy cow could you imagine if your wife was implanted with one hundred and twenty nine embryos think of the college bills and the debt. Jesus Christ into two female rats with three being viable rats. Okay so not a legion of rats. But it sounded cool. Is it just me? You believes that rats aren't exactly cloning You know I don't know if that's just me? I think we can use them as Ladd latte animals anyways so anyways next here we have Idaho Jim. Mules are sterile right. Not If you clone them well yes there are still sterile. But this is a great way of sticking your middle finger up to biological boundaries. Idaho Jim Not Jay. I'm like I'm on Dr Jim not a Var. Whatever it's a gym G. E. M. and was born two thousand three. I don't know much more about that. One so anyways. God these names who came up with these names prome pro-meta or I'd like to say Prome T. P. R. O. M. E. T. E. A. The horse WHO'S GONNA Call Them. Fuck and the Horse. The fucking clone horse okay. Anyways in Italian team created this cloned horse in two thousand and three. The belief does that day could mass produce. Italian stallions Sadly the experiment failed and she was berthed by her own. Clone Source Parent Man You you can't recreate Italian stallion. I mean there's only one walking around and his name's job that okay and maybe also rocky Balboa but outside of us to no one else's loud di Di Towel Hawks the African Wildcat Fuck. These names detail. The African. I'm just going to that. Being endangered is not a prerequisite of cloning potential. The African wildcat was cloned for no other reason than just because we could. So you know that. Just harks back to Malcolm's you're so preoccupied with whether not you could you didn't stop to think if you should the US scientists used to that as a template for cloning other more vulnerable animals so all right last but not least libby and lily ferrets. Who doesn't like ferrets in if they smell funky and get into shit. They shouldn't get into if any animal was worthy of replication. It's these furry limb of Bodies Snake Beasts Okay might be a little based Libyan lily were cloned in two thousand and four As it turns out ferrets are useful for the study of human respiratory diseases. They have no idea how we had any relation to anatomy. But whatever fuck it science I guess we are so they are still nasty body little furry snake monsters but And they also smell like piss but whatever let's Glenn Clone a thousand of them and that pretty much takes us out of the interesting engineering's list of animals that have been successfully cloned Looks like the swirls picking up another sub space transmission Computer played this. And we'll be right back leaving man working under you four glass of Chardonnay Doral and serve that here any Mirwais. I'm pretty sure you don't want these going. Nowhere near them grapes. Righty how about a craft beer. Now you we got plenty of craft beer which one you won't know craft beer craft beer hill. I'm pretty sure the bar down the street serves it and K. Well what do you serve? I'm glad you asked work to the backwoods bar. Cast we serve Moonshine. Cheap beer bottom shelf. Liquor store is even harder to swallow join nick and Brittany and the Janitor Stephen as we discussed southeastern mysteries and mayhem including but not limited to UFO's true crime. The paranormal and much more so not four times. Grab a stool. Let the toll commits and as always drink more beer. While I am partial some craft beer. I will say that does sound like a good time anyways Now that we're back we're going to go ahead and get into our relevant article See the most recent thing to come out of Nbc News in regard to the topic of cloning Chinese scientists cloned monkeys and the break the barrier to human cloning. So basically it says From London Chinese scientists have cloned monkeys using the same technique that produce Dolly the sheep two decades ago breaking technical bear that could open the door to copying humans scary. Thought but you know what we are here and it is now. So you're coming with some awesome names Zong and Wa wa. Two identical long-tailed Maki's swimming. That's a really fun. Monkey species were born eight and six weeks ago. The picture writer. They're so cute even not want fleeing their Pooh my phase. You're so cute. Little pouf alling little dudes Making them the first primates in the order of mammals that includes Monkeys apes and humans to be cloned from a non embryonic cell it was achieved process called somatic cell nuclear transfer S. C. N. T. Which involves transferring the nucleus of a cell which includes DNA into an egg which has had its nucleus removed Researchers at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Scientists Institute of Neuroscience and Shanghai said there should be a boon to medical research by making it possible to study diseases and populations of genetically uniform. Monkeys also brings about the feasibility of cloning to their doorstep of our own species So Quote here's humans or primates so for the cloning of primate species including humans that technical barrier is. Now broking broken numbing or meaning. Pu. Now there's a name one. I can pronounce in two. I can get behind unless there's too involved and then I don't WanNa get behind it. The reason we broke this barrier is to produce animal models that are useful for medicine human health and so forth. There is no intention to apply this method to humans. Sure that's what all scientists say until clone becomes rampant and all the fears become realized and we ended up making superhumans run around destroying stuff governments fall. And I've obviously gotta take my tinfoil hat often. Continue with the article. So genetically identical animals are useful in research because Kofu confounding factors caused by genetic variability. In non-cloned animals can complicate experiments. They can be used to test new drugs for range of diseases before clinical use The two newborns are now being bottle fed and are growing. Normally the researcher said they expect more Makaki clones to be born over the coming months. My God they are so cute. There's a picture right here and all joking aside. I want one as a pet Since Dolly cloning poster child was born in Scotland in Nineteen ninety-six scientists have successfully used sem t to clone more than twenty other species which we kind of went over and that other Article Similar work in primates however had always failed leading some experts to wonder if primates were resistant to the methods so And you know this work another quote here that work in this paper is not a steppingstone to establishing methods for obtaining. Live born human clones. This clearly remains a very foolish thing to attempt so at least they have some Sensibility about them. And they've actually seen the drastic park franchise so Anyways we go down here. I was a little bit right about what pita thought about things so they had They had to say cloning is a horror. Show a waste of lives. Time and money and the suffering that such experiments causes unimaginable pita senior vice president gaffey goal. Ermo wonder if she's related to Guera. Modell Toro said in a statement because cloning has a failure rate of at least ninety percent that is a very high rate. These two monkeys represent misery and death on an enormous scale. Wow powerful words But you know what it is a big topic you know and it makes it makes sense that you know you gotTa have you gotTa have a stance one way or another so you know. Obviously Pete is GonNa lean more that way so well dimension hoppers that brings our first attempt at a case. Study to a close. We plan on doing more in the near future. Next time we'll be less of a solo endeavor and back to the dynamic duo you've come to know and love as always if you have any ideas of topics and themes you'd like to hear for the show feel free to shoot us a message on facebook or send us an email to close encounters slurred kind at gmail.com. We love hearing from all of our fellow space scoundrels. 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136. Feature Presentation - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2017)

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136. Feature Presentation - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2017)

"As a hard-nosed mother a seeking justice for her murder daughter would know arrest after seven months. They'll put three billboards to go landings police sheet action but the wall and especially. Sam Rockwell is hotheaded deputy. Don't take kindly only propagation and the townsfolk are on their side. The military doesn't mind ruffling a few feathers in fact. She's happy to pluck the bird welcome to another feature presentation of Min- The double feature and on this episode we'll be covering two thousand seventeen three billboards outside ebbing. Missouri directed by Martin mcdonagh List Gentlemen Welcome back to another failure presentation episode of Midnight Double Failure. I'm here with Mamane. Men Colon Colon welcome back. It's almost like thank you never laugh. Welcome back. WHAT'S UP BUDDY. Thank you thank you honestly it. Does I feel like I I've left like serious like yeah. We we just call each other off off. and I kind of hit me when I heard your voice and I was like dude I haven't I haven't heard that voice in like a long time yeah and after ten minutes rely on this dude no just shutting down the podcast sale. It seems like forever until you know what I mean because we talked for a minute for each order recording all right back in the saddle. We're GONNA go and we have to watch. This depressing oss movie yeah right. We're coming back in an all time. I you know what I mean. Oh Yeah spirits spirits lifted spirits. Maybe the thank you so much for joining us for this presentation episode of Midnight Double Feature Way going to be moving through three billboards outside ebbing Missouri. I'm not GonNa you do any accents today. That's the only little bit of teams that I'm putting out the that's nice too many of them in this surprisingly. Oh you know what I'm I'm going to be talking about fucking Abbie Cornish as weird waiters rally an accent slash American accent their star even as she Israeli but whatever I'm going to I've got some males to fucking can punch it the coffin yeah. The most unrealistic thing about this movie is the fact that she's fucking woody. Harrelson and I'm like bullshit no way this woman is like this woman's GonNa Fuck Ryan Reynolds. They're like Ryan Gosling or somebody like there's no as you'd fucking woody. Harrelson Dude that come on and the second most unrealistic thing about this is that what he has a nice cock like probably holding mingled and frumpy insured but we're going to be waiting through this movie now we're talking about breaking it down giving out thoughts on it in order to do that. We're GONNA have to spoil the movie so if you haven't seen this film then come back and revisit ah some other time but that also means that we're going to be swearing so as you'd like to say Colin. There's an A. on this motherfucker raisin realized I already though we're going to be swearing if you're not already plays philosophy socials were on facebook. We have two pages we have our main page called midnight observation. That's why we Lavalle updates including what were what new episodes of dropping and we plays posts on there and things like that and then we also have exclusive group called all the after Party Please feel free to join the party. You don't have to pay any membership nine none of that bullshit. It's fucking community where people come together and talk films is that there's actually a great question that one of our one of our great great off the body members. Danny fouls posted in regards this movie well some somewhat related to this movie that will get towards the end but yeah seriously if you WanNa if you want your if you want your questions discussed or if you want to discuss anything anything on facebook fill a hit US up on the body we're also on instagram which is at midnight double feature and we're on twitter which is at MDF pod and he can listen to US anyway including Youtube spotify an insurance and plays plays plays rubber to write and reveals on Itunes. That would be fantastic plays. Give us however many stars. You feel like we deserve but plays tells why you giving us the stars. Please tell us what we need to improve on place. Tell us what we're doing right way. Obviously love compliments and yeah but look without further ado cullen. What did you think of three billboards outside ebbing Missouri all right now. I'm just GonNa say I heard this is one of the few moments in my movie loving podcast. Haad cast having whatever you know phase of my life career. What have you where there was a lot of hype around this not enough to where ruined for me. Thank God awed you start hearing so much hype about shed and like you know there's a few that just like totally get fucking ruined for me but I feel I hear what you've had that that same I am reaction. ACCAN- account remember specifically which ones but yes it absolutely happens all the time and are not. GonNa lie low bit of spoiler alert word. It happened for it chapter to go see for yourself so basically just quickly calling while you're talking about up to. I'd I did read out your thoughts on the last outgoing attractions absurd. I hope that's okay no yeah that's fine. I was actually listen to it on the way to work this morning and I just I forgot to pick back up where I left Dolphin. I've been trying to finish this audio book. Stephen King's needful things. It's fucking really cool but I got like four hours left and now I've you started a new job by the way fucking congratulations educations likewise easiest each helped yeah exactly so now. I went from working in a warehouse to an office job which is ah digs for someone. Who doesn't I have a college education. That's a big step up for me but I can no longer listen to podcasts because I can't have my phone anywhere near my desk because I do a bunch of legal shit now somewhat let you know but basically I can't finish the Goddamn audiobooks. Listen to it on the way to work now but no yeah thanks for renewed because I was like God damn it. They did it after two WHO and they didn't read my shit off to see the heightened the Hampton ruin this for me. I knew I mean come on man Sam Rockwell and Frances inches mcdormand. I I it's not bad. There's no way there's no way it's going to be bad like a franchise. mcdormand is a powerhouse by yourself. I don't think that I mean I'm glad that she one oss gosh reforming and she's what she's what this and Fargo I think are the ones that she's won four. You know better than I I mean. You're the other side yeah I believe I believe it says a Korea right but the the powerhouse of them you don't and Woody Harrelson you know he's kind of in and out you know he's only end not even in it doesn't even feel like ten scenes you know he he really comes and goes kinda quickly but he is he drives the plot so far he drives the kind of soil that our story stories planted in because he is a. I mean he is literally in the plot of those billboards petered out of fucking nowhere. You know not not a guy. Who's I mean he's not I don't know I feel like he's bigger than the and I don't mean this. This is not a pun. I feel like he's bigger than the role that he was in. He's he's not a bit right attention either Dixon Nixon. He's you know he's a big actor and I was surprised by how you know kind of small his role was and this time this is this is is p-a-k thrones right. That's what I'm saying and I was like man. This is weird. This guy was the antagonised for one of the biggest x-men films at his ever. Come out before this came out as that's just really odd awed in either way you know I could picture this coming out around the time he did bad Santa Elf will fail. That's what I'm thinking. I'm not bad so yeah different different front different little person in a but but now I thought they just absolutely knocked it out of the park. It's one of those movies where right win. Things things start to like Ryan things to get a little laggy almost for me where it's like. Okay Phillip were hitting a bit of a lull and I don't know what's going to happen next dude. It's it's like it would be like walking down the street and somebody coming up punching you in the mouth out of nowhere like what the fuck like when this when something happens you know like the conversation between Woody Carrollton and her and Shit like that you know Sam Rockwell's character is like is I like Charlie from God. bitches like that's fucking think of because has added nowhere here comes total fucking left. Turn that it's like. Oh my God and there's a couple of hundred real quick. Yes and there were a couple of things he's like when I was talking. Lynn are watching this. I'd never seen this before by the way this is. This is my first time ever watching this and as I was watching this there's a couple couple things that I that I called and then I caught and I was like okay. This is what's going to happen. You know this and this and this Nah not too. I'm just such a you know smarter Smarter Mixed Marty Pants with film but it was There's a couple things that I I could tell were coming but you know you. I feel like as you get older. You Watch movies and you're like man. I just wish that guy would watch up walkup and punch him in a fucking mouth and it never happens because it's like well. It's the real world you'll get hit with assault charges and Blah Blah Blah. This doesn't give a fuck. It's like I'll walk right up hitching a god Maui now I don't care. That's that's actually what I love about. Hopper and stranger things in the first season is I was approached by the way spoiler when they're when they're trying to find find out if we'll buy or his actually dead in the first season of stranger things and he just breaks into Hawkins like punches people in the mouth and pulls a gun on Hell Yeah. This isn't like some covert like I'm going to find some way to get in here without breaking the law. Yes brute force. I mean that's just kind of what I grew up on. People who were you know people who took law into their own hands and you know the the the Charles Bronson death wish the punisher you know almost like vigilante justice which in some cases in real life it can be kind fucking cool. Sometimes I hate to say it but there are some instances of stuff that data Francis mcdormand's care. What is her character's name. I have blinking so mildred Hayes not there are plenty of things and people in real life. You've done things like mildred have done. I personally agree with now. Not everyone feels that way. Some people think I for an eye. Whatever what have you not here to who debate that but I do think it makes like prisoners for very interesting moral and philosophical conversation I think that there is some like Tarantino no level cinematography in this I did I kind of got almost like a Django feel sometimes especially like the night shots and stuff it is Kinda shot in the south so but actually this was shot on North Carolina which is which why I think it kind of feels like Django. It's very gut that southern kind of feel but it's just one of the things that like it just takes so many twists and turns and you don't think this carriers going this way and then it does it's it's great. It's a great story about the the problem with letting in your temporarily letting your anger get a hold of yourself. It's it's a great movie about redemption. It's a great movie about how far is too far and at what point at one point are you in your attempt to punish others punishing yourself and I think that that's a great commentary that this has is are you. Are you really cutting off like I don't know it's kind of like it. It's like trying to you know I. It's like it's like stabbing yourself in the arm because you're trying to choke somebody to death but at what point does the armed armed just completely. You know what I mean. It's like a one point isn't more harm to you to harm that other person. I think that's great. I think there's so many fantastic I will say in Lord knows I've never we're GONNA like a lot of religious stuff on here. I'm not a religious person. You know that's a whole other conversation but there is a lot of like religious kind of subtexts through this. There's a lot of like like messianic like redemptive kind of stuff and it's it's not super heavy handed which I really appreciated about it but there are stories of a lot of this is like like a story of it's a story of revenge story of redemption and it's a story of almost forgiveness and that that's that's what I think I liked about it. The most is the Cherry on top of I've Do you think you could ever get past and it's so fresh you know at seven months old. This thing is happened. The burn marks are still in the fucking grass and you're like. Oh my God but you know I I think that I think that this this is great. I think a movie like this only comes around every so often and and I don't say that you know I- I save that for only a few things I think did it's ninety. Percent Score on rotten tomatoes is totally earned and the hype was I. I dare say it could have been hyped a little bit more because this was just a fantastic movie. I would have no problem going out and buying this and I think this is like this is kind of like it's not as it's not as hard of an attempt as prisoners but you you can almost put it in the same kind of you know this person does this or this person reacts and Blah Blah Blah and everybody's making these wrong decisions based off of fear and anger and in no losing someone that they love so. I think they have a lot of things in common with that but yeah I I just I just thought it was absolutely fantastic and it's it's nice to come back to south like like this after he went like fucking Charles play. You know what I mean. Well Fuck you man. That was my intention. I mean obviously look Charles play. I the loss of upcoming attractions never say never seen the original and before that would joyride so we did do we we did to sort of. I guess Schlocky sort of like you know movies that you can just sit down and watch anytime and being detained so I was like man who said this on the episode on the podcast. I've said a team planning talk about my personal. Favorite episode of ours is prisoners. I love that episode. I Love I love going deep like doing a deep dive on it and like obviously Asli like true. Crime is a bit of a will not true crime but you know like the mystery. TROU- crime sort of elements of it is sort of a bit of an interest of mine personally so going back to something like this like. That's why I'm just like man. I kinda cry that so I don't know why this movie particularly came to mind it mind. I maybe it's just because I want to watch in two thousand seventeen kind of affected me like I was like man this this stayed with me and the reason I watch this was because every year I do watch the movies that Konica Minolta for the Oscars. It's like okay. There's a lot of fucking hubbub around these movies. Let's let us check out what they're about and my friend. Chris and I we kind of like cross cross crossing off the list lost three billboards outside ebbing Missouri man and like man this this thing just flawed me like I think more than anything I love the blend blend between doc drama but also the really sort of black comedy yet this this has a weird blend of really really hard hitting drama ah but at the same time really really hilarious moments. I it reminded me of breaking bad in that way and man honestly I think mildred mildred Hayes like taking Frances mcdormand character out of I think mildred highs is one of the best written female characters of saying River Ver- in a long long time shea is so she has her fate plant in Sir deeply in the mud that she's like absolutely not going to move for the for the sake of her dead daughter that shave willing to bring the world around crashing down but you're like I. I love characters like that and Francis Mc dome and`red just I can't. I can't tell you hell perfectly cost shares as mildred is if I read this is written for her by the way right yeah yeah assignments. I'm real close character Dixon. Those two roles were definitely written. Full Does Act Act for those actors in mind and initially. I didn't WanNa do it but it wasn't until fucking Joel Cohen. Her husband convinced vista to do it and like man like I. It's just amazing watching it so mazing not not only Kinda like contemplating like her next moves but also I in conversation like what her comebacks can obey to send things. It's it's just on that. Level is just so fun to watch but at the same time it's a daily affecting drama about you you say almost forgiveness. I say yes so much forgiveness but their characters in this that totally forgive I think that will get to I think I think that mostly read. Welby is one of those characters. It's like you know what I can say him. Being on the path of Tuttle forgiveness I guess right him in particular yeah I could see like like the supporting characters yeah him woody Harrelson like I kinda see that but now mill mildred and and fun Dixon have you know have we'll learn surgeries. She's GonNa fucking ways to go yeah absolutely and like I. I don't think well we can get into that but like that's something that I mean. That's going to be burned into you. Unlike in our we need to talk about Sarah Rockwell Sam Rockwell before this movie was always an actor of mine. That's popped up in movies that just he always elevates the roles that he's in so he's been in a bunch of shit before this to like seriously the Grain Mall Galaxy quest and Charlie's angels hey did in the span of a year is amazing ingrain mall he's amazing and Galaxy Quest and surprisingly his amazing Charlie's angels which is not a great movie but he's having the time of his life in that film did Yemen his puffed up in a whole bunch of shit including on man to again not an amazing Z. movie but the best part of it like he plays Justin. How do you remember him at all. Oh yeah he's come on man. Give me something and you're like speaks yeah like say say like he has has like little like he's got a lot of energy about him so man like when he won the Oscar for this I was just like finally fucking recognition for this dude because he's just he's he's been outstanding and everything in his in and this is this might be some of the best acting from Woody Harrelson that I've seen as well. He's definitely not in in it for as much as I'd love him today but man when when he goes to explain to mildred like what why why the lagging in the case and you so you get her response to him telling her about the cancer his his face stirred. I kind of want to hold his head. I want to be like dude. I'm I'm sorry this is happening like right yeah like 'cause I mean he hasn't maybe he's a shitty cop. We don't know that they don't ever really go deep into it like our shitty feeling too directed towards the Dixon like we feel compassion for this guy because in the last months of his life he's been called a fucking piece of shit all over town. You know yeah exactly bum that this film is so amazingly. Well shot you talking about the cinematography bank Tarantino esque. I'd say it's a bit close it in the country. There's definitely yeah. There's there's definitely some elements of that like I. I even think there's some some edgar right should an arrow. We follow Dixon. You know like do that felt like like going to the shop to get a fucking coronado. You know like yeah. I think I think more than anything like I'm getting a lot of Cohen. Brothers vibes was in here that really weighed Lee paste. Sorry weirdly placed huma. A doc sort of drama like it felt like fog are to me like that. I don't know but yeah this director. Cinematographer is Ben Davis. He works with marvel a lot. He's done age of Altron and got the galaxy so he's he's. He usually doesn't do films like this like that. Is it Kinda like on a smaller scale but he fucking knocks out of the pod for this. This is a movie that I it's it's tough. It's always been tough for me to conduct formulate my thoughts about this because there's just so much much on paper. It seems like it should be a simple film. It's about a movie sorry. It's about a mother whose daughter got murdered edited and raped and she'd fuck and takes out some advertising to a lot of fire under the cops are they can they can solve the case on paper that sound in simple as shit but this movie put sorry much in there like there's just so much to talk about that. Honestly I chose it because I was like Collins. Allen's going to have some really good thoughts about this so y'all you're going to be even though I'm going to be leading this episode. You're going to be driving this like y'all. You're going to be presenting your thoughts and I'm GonNa be great because man. It's always been tough tomato formulate my thoughts bad but I I can't wait to talk about this man because because I to be honest if you'd like it or not like ave like like the it's. It's a weird film. It is a weird with film like it's not not like prisoners where it just you know plays everything strike. It's M. It's ambiguous at the end as well. openly ambiguous man like that ending is I I I I spoke to a few people about it and you know they weren't really that high on the ending but I I personally love the ending. We can talk about that more when we get there. there are our couple of moments in this movie that I'm just like. We don't really need that like you know that's. That's a bit too on the mirrors. I think that Kinda comes down to mcdonagh's sort of like penchant for let let let's make these themes dave super obvious but but anyway Ma'am those are my those are my scattered thoughts he can tell. I'm still trying to get back into fucking pod causing off to the side of that yeah man. What do you say we get right into this bitch. Let's do all right man so we opened on this. I guess really we'd sort of like fog shot. Not Unlike the this opera operatic music we met out protagonist mildred Hayes as she sees these billboards that totally run down and you know and she I love the away she likes stops a car backs up. She puts a finger up to a mouth. It's like she's thinking about. It and it's like it's not like we have no idea at this point. What the fuck she's thinking about right like. I love the away. This movie holds back on the information until it's revealed. It's it's great but her eyes look sad like we know that like she's not she's not thinking about renting out these advertisements to something positive arrive right yeah. There's something also I think this is except for the flashback. The last time you ever see her hair down I think I think that's awesome because like when you see to me when I see a lot of women like stop and put their hair out there like I have to do something right now allies I'm either. I'm going to get my hands dirty or you know. I'm I'm working out or I'm doing something where I don't want my hair down to my face because guess what I'm getting the motherfucking business that dry have my here like right and that's just me that's. That's like that that's just my take on it out. Hey guess what don't have here and I'm not a woman. So what do I know but now I I dig it because right there with these through three billboards because this is kind of it is common in the south to see those every once in a while these just deserted. It'd billboards you know out on the highway. If you're on a main road that's different go. You'll start driving by some that are just like you know. Hey come shop at this piggly-wiggly the closed down in one thousand nine hundred four. You're like what the fuck and I think there's something almost kind of like sad and horrifying about those at the same time that this was something that like like people invested money in and they had their hopes and dreams on all yeah. I got that billboard and it's GonNa bring us money and you know there. There is something terrifying about the interstate system system that we talked about like on Joe Ryan. Shit like that like big billboard down the middle of nowhere or something about that scares the hell out of me. I don't know what it is either like. It's something about that that country. We rode with like billboards and Shit. I don't know what it is but it can be sad and like scary at the same time Sabrina but I'm wanting like that `isolation feel right right yeah. This is gonNA seem so random but have you ever seen near dark vampire movie with Bill Paxton. I haven't okay well. Good luck fucking finding it 'cause it's not streaming anywhere anywhere I found I found it illegally streaming on a website the other night and I watched it but it's these vampires who just go you know they just hop on cars and they kill people take their cars torture them just hit the interstate and just keep driving in there like they're just like nomadic and there's something about that in the interstate system these back country. Kinda road to just like scare here the Shit Outta me with stuff like that and it's raining head to get that out. Get This V. I gotta get some Van Pies in enters into this and it has has lance Henriksen and it's one of the best of all time so fuck you okay. He's awesome dude but I love like again chewing on a finger as she considered like you can tell her that you can tell like she's thinking okay. Do I go to war like I'm ready to go to war yes and she walks into ebbing at advertising the diving agency where she's received by. Red Welby played by Caleb Landry Jones who we lost soaring get out right yeah I looked up and I was like that's weird. I actually I can't remember where I read this. I read that him and I think who's the red headed. Fuck from. We're the millers. Yeah you know what Cape Cape Token. I'll get it for you because it was between killing her on now right Williams between those two guys and they'll skarsgard for penny wise at one point because originally it wasn't anti-shiite e- It was carry Phuket Alcott cary Fukunaga Fukunaga yeah he did true detective and will will poulter is the guy's name okay yeah between those two Ginger Fox and Skarsgard Skarsgard isn't that beating amount after machete takeover but those two guys were contenders for Penny wise has in man I can fuck and see it between all three of them I really can I think this guy I mean he's great and get out. He's got that kind of way that he talks and my I can't can't even do a great impression of it but he has a very unique speech pattern. That's fantastic. I love him. He was also in X. Men Close to member not yes. He's like the Scripture or whatever whatever screen whatever yeah yeah great. I love his power and should he just kind of like you know. I don't know he's kind of like a small role in that. I liked the palo but it looks a little goofy in that maybe eighty his arms stretched out man but yes she asked about the billboards out drinkwater road which according to her. Nobody uses that Rodney Moore since the freeway got put in red checks his records and says that nobody's rented the billboard since nineteen eighty six six. Jr's now this modern right. This is twenty seventeen well yes. I'm I'm guessing it is but the whole fail of this movie is seems it takes place in like this the light seventies or the early on sorry the late sixties like the the right like the cars aren't super super modern. We see cell phones as you know like I think what mildred is at our fucking name. Yeah mildred middle definitely like a DNA database so right and like. She's got like a flip phone so I'm like okay. This might be like two thousand eight. That's all I could think. This might be like mid to late two thousand. It doesn't feel like twenty nineteen. You know and I think that's great. I think that's one thing that it's like movies. I like it follows. Yes this is modern-day but we we leave out technology to make you feel timeless yeah exactly she read that the wants to know how much then she asked the question that makes us curious as the audience. What's the Lauren what you can and cannot say on a billboard Thomas Yadda Sir. You can't say Fuck Piss. Is that right like immediately. We set up like hell what the vibe of this is going to be like. It's it's going to be hard hitting undecided plot. It's going to be like so. There's there's going to be some humor in here. she hands out at five thousand for the first month gives welby a piece of paper with what the billboard should say awesome to draw up a contract. I guess it can't be that like it can't be set in like the seventies or something because five thousand for bill. One seventies is that's. That's crazy money especially for the three of them. I I wouldn't pay this ready as billboards I actually I do. I do love not to jump too far ahead her flipping the Beato over that's Toria now. Let's let's talk about that yeah. I what what do you reckon. The significance of that is like direct. It's like she's carrying right like she's you know she's compassionate. I think it's the difference between I could crush the staying and put it out of its misery and I can crush crush my my vengeance for this. I Ju Justice that I want and just be out of my misery of it or I can flip this and make it right. I could make it right side up. I could correct the thing that is wrong. I think that's a in a weird way. It made me think of Batman versus Superman when he's like listen the only way the world makes sense if you force it too and I was like Dan. That's a brutal fucking line in. It's a little oh it's a little underrated. I think that that line is fantastic and I think that sums up Batman perfectly and I think that in a weird way there's a little Batman in her why like she is just out for justice at all costs. I she does not fucking care about the fact that this guy's dying. She knows she knows dinesh. Go Fuck you know. She doesn't care if people threatened her. Hershey doesn't care if a white this shit on fire it is like you can break objects and you can destroy things but like the ideal of what I'm going after cannot be destroyed and I think I think that's that's what I think. It's a symbol. It's a symbol of I will have justice and it's like that's what fucking cool about it that I dig like as a man as a person you know I can be destroyed but as a symbol bowl you're unstoppable and that's what I love. I absolutely love that message in a lot of these movies and that's what I kind and it's not the full message of the movie was that's what I kind of took away from it is it's not so much what the billboard you're saying. It's it's kind of like what they're representing like. Why hasn't anybody done anything. It's not that like I'm trying to be an asshole on. I'm trying to get chief will be fired. I'm trying to be a cause raise awareness to the fact that nothing is being done about this. If nothing's being done I will do something about this yeah yeah. I like that didn't really occur to me about the show shifted well. Actually you know what they're like. Here's something about I'm how in the movie that you brought up that. I didn't bring my opening thoughts that I probably should have this. This whole movie is kind of like a cautionary tale about vigilantism mm-hmm. Yes not a main like you know of course in Batman begins and shit like we see Batman like you know kind of creating this monitor of Batman to be a symbol to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies and shit but this is obviously a more realistic. Take on what happens if you take the Lawrence Yard hands run like this is kind of like okay. You have the single monitor price that you're going to think that you're gonNA take you're going to just hire out these billboards and get got the cops to investigate the ripened death of your daughter but you're not considering the ramifications of doing that like that's that I think I think that's that's what the movie's trying to get across like. It's just like you can't always take justice into your hands and it's never it's almost never good to you know it's almost almost never beneficial to decide. What is he saying. Dr You either die hero or you live long enough to see yourself. Take you take this thing too far. The Cup runneth over you're now. That's what I love is like you don't know when to stop and it's cool. I dig that about it it's like at what point are you crossing the line and she does. She crosses the fucking line and it's a cool like I mean that's yeah that's under up man well. It's nothing about a love a love about a character like deiontae movie in general. There's like none. One of these characters are kind of black and white not a main. Shays Shays obviously the protagonist but she's also a bitch. She's also she's gotTa. OUGHTA fate so far down in the mud that she's like UN refusing to move. She's an immutable object like if you if she met an unstoppable force should still be fucking immovable same guys for Dixon. You know obviously his ach his ach is something that all come to eventually but again not black and white. Let's move on so yeah. Yeah again helps battle. She hands him the pays. The Piper I loved I work with aren't say anything on the paper. She's just like well be just guesses that builders Angela Angela has his mother. That's right. I'm Angela Hayes mother. transpose much sought stale dirt like she's so unflinching. She's fucking shit out of me I could. I could punch her as hard as I could and she would. Come like you know you see. Those people get punched in movies and they don't they don't flinch from that. Just come right back. I come right back up oh. She looks like she'd fucking head but a sailor. You know what I mean like that. Dude up didn't even like the way she's like. The the slaves rolled up pasta elbows and shit like it's just like damn. She's she's. She's here to get shit done and I love. I love that about this character. That's super proactive. It's awesome jumpsuit the band all the time it's like what are you mumble mechanic. What are you doing man fix my car and then we got to Dixon by Sam Rockwell as he drives his Davin drink water ride and spots the billboards he stops billboards. I guess I just put Doc. The billboard put her uppers. What the Fuck you call him. What the fuck is going on way. Mainly immediately immediately established that Dixon's Dixon's a bit of a rise of what he calls the due to Bena. Oh Yeah I just this was so like here's the fucked up part of where I live is. I was just so it was not even surprising to me as a Yep. That's where I live in Missouri but I mean yeah fuck up again. I Love Rockwell. I would've appreciated a little little more subtlety with Dixon yeah. That's a good call I think I think that he kind of once he has his I Dunno no no whatever you haunt his moment the thing that's tim on a totally different path he he just kind of does this total almost total one eighty and it's I. I don't I don't want to say I don't believe in it but it's hard to sudden I think it's I think I feel like it's to Saad and I've seen this movie a bunch of times uh-huh and every time it happens. I feel like I feel like especially here when you setting him up. Maybe it would have helped if you take away the torches a black a black person in custody. Maybe would have helped if you turn him down a little bit because this is like this hey right now. He's kind of a little bit of at Adolf Hitler level like you know what I mean like. That's that's tough to come back from right. I think they establish something like maybe he was. The the the town's quarterback ten years ago and he blew his neon. He became just an overweight piece of Shit Cau- who drank beer all the time and was prone to being somewhat like racist assist. You know like that's that's one thing I think if you I don't know I don't want to say. Mini shouldn't be racist Boba. I don't mean it for for that way. I think that it should would. I don't know it doesn't really I don't know there's there's if you really want to vilify someone in a movie these days you make them racist or you make them say something like that in. Hey guess what probably factually accurate with some people on the police force of this town existed eight to say it but I mean I I have been in the car with black people and getting pulled over because it was a black person driving. It's ridiculous and that's the way it is in this house in hunt. It's it's fucking true and the thing is though I think it does. It's the crew cut. Cut kind of you know the the military kind of haircut. It's the beer belly. It's the you know even the way they dropped the fact you know He. He tortured a guy in custody billy. There is no evidence to prove that Baba. It's like that's kind of X. Positioning while I was like man this is just I don't know you know and he so brazen about What what is it ebola or a with Webby Webbie's welby well. It'd be wealthy even when he confronts wealthy people ever yet webby ones Webby ready anyway. What is that from. That's GonNa drive me crazy but yeah the even the way he confronts. I mean there's broad. It's in broad daylight. He charges across the street as I do. Who the fuck do you think you are like. It's not it's not a huge takeaway for me but he could have been toned down just like a notch because when you tone that down a little bit more at thinking makes that a smoother transition transition into his redemption yeah. I guess Tytler tidily like it. It feels like it starts too high and too aggressive but honestly honestly. It's fucking fun to watch. It's fun to watch them explode. also the vibe that it's not really a vibe like it's. Kinda explicitly sort of told Dixon. He's a few tolls shy of a full toolkit right like he's not mentally all up there from together so I don't know maybe he's kind of. I guess prone to having these extreme reactions or do you reckon. There's like a sort of like a thing thing here where it's just like. He's not really able to tell between right and wrong and that's part of the I. I don't know I think I don't I would've loved to see the scene with him where he's like. Hey I became a cop you know because I wanted to be one of the good guys and when I grow up I realized that being a good guy wasn't always just white or black that there were grey areas and it was it was easier for me to still pretend that there were white and black areas and not grey Areas Nieto N. I don't know because he's like step away for being like Dufy the fucking. Yo like like David right yeah like he's he's reading comic books and just you know he's on his desk. Yeah I'm like dude. This guy is like a step away away from riding on the back of the short bus. You know it's like I don't i. It's just a little it's just a little heavy handed because you know he does some great work towards the end. He does some real detective shit that I was like dude. That's a smart motherfucker and maybe it did take just getting your ass kicked and shit to to to be humbled like that or maybe to have somebody show. Oh you forgiveness for you to be the one to do the forgiving but maybe maybe we just needed to seen of him coming determined for that and maybe talking to his mom. It's an hey you know I can't Dan. You know. I can't be this person anymore because you know I just. I can't survive doing that anymore. I would've I would've been fine with that. You know well I think like I think the true ton comes after he grades Willoughby's loss woods right like we we can get to that but I think that's where it's like. That's where he does the one eighty because he he grabs Angela Hayes is the fire and that's when it starts happening that yeah I don't know it's you know what I think. I think the fact that we have two of his arche moments backed back. We have him reading the letter and in him in the hospital and get a person telling them they have faith in the person he can be a person showing them what you can do to become that person it. I guess maybe we if we just had the spread out a little farther apart. We are memory kind of you know what I mean yeah. We don't value as much because her right back to back to good official points of the other billboards in Dixon hurts further down the road. I love how he discovers this backward and way discovered discovered Beck would like it's not like immediately right while dying and still no arrests like you know how come Jeff Willoughby like we find out like the other way it's awesome but this guy recognizes Dixon and spits before Dixon threatens to write him up for destroying the environment now. This isn't the dude that he beat the Shit I soon this guy is just like IRA does in from his reputation or well. He's the only black guy I I ever saw on fucking towns okay except for like the police the police she takes over. I'm like he must have been this guy because I'm not seeing anybody else. Just by using the ED method of deductions like ESCA Dixon finally has down to the first billboard fuck May and he calls Jake willoughby played by what he housing and at dental who says they've got a problem and again right while dying and still now arrests. That's how come chief Willoughby What did you think of that reveal of. What the the billboard said well? I assumed it wasn't going to be something for the ringling brothers. Circus knew it was gonna be something thing something kind of traumatic. I know that there are a couple of true stories. This is based off of. I don't think it's anything quite this dramatic but there were a few places is there was one in Missouri. This woman went missing and they bought a billboard and just put her. You know kind of like her. her whole missing persons status on there and people do stuff. I like that all the time but I I did read now. Go ahead. I think you're about a rated. Actually no no no. I'm pulling something completely out of my ass. You go ahead so this. This situation is based off something that the director Martin mcdonagh's came across he was travelling around the south in nineteen ninety eight Kinda on across a couple of accusatory billboards about an unsolved crime which he described as quite raging and painful and tragic alleging the murder of a woman in Vidor Texas the billboards eyeliner a lot of the incompetence of police work and deeply deeply affected McDonnell. He said that the image court stayed in my mind kept knowing me and presented the put up other victim's mother says it took him about ten years to decide that it was a mother who had taken these things out became fiction based on a couple of actual billboards. The dam see I was reading something about a dad whose son he's a little boy and he was kidnapped by this guy and he was raped and end the they caught the guy and they were taken through the airport into custody. The Dad is waiting on a payphone with a loaded gun pops out and shoots him in the fucking head and the guy served basically no jail time for it he they got him on some kind of. I don't know it I mean you're a lawyer. I'm sure you probably want to read about it is pretty interesting but basically he got like however many hours of community service and this. I mean this was a guy who like you know fucking. Pay This tax work off and he mowed his churches lawn for free on the weekends so all he did was he kept mowing churches lawn and it went towards his community service so I his life on he murdered the guy that raped us on and that's fucking bad ass dude like I'm all for it. I hate it. I'm sorry man just like just GonNa throw that out there. It's like I know some people. Are you know rehabilitation in this net and that's that's fine and Dandy and maybe in some cases I understand but there are there's just there's the lowest of the low and that's where personally for me. I started drawing the line at some point like I like it. Shit like that that I find really interesting because it does create the conversations that we are having for stuff like this and prisoners when it becomes the robbing of innocence listen of young children of young young individuals is that I think that's one of the worst things in our world that you can do and what what kind of response is is appropriate in that that that's what I think is so interesting about movies like these is is how at what point does her response become inappropriate and i. There's a park coming up kind of right off the bat where we realized right yeah. She's a bitch right exactly by the way I'm now going to further dig into that case because between win this and listening to the latest case while beside on hint fach. I'm done with trigger crime this week in crime this blake did it's fucked. I'M GONNA cut out my eyes. I'm going to drink my sorrows for sometime. You start worried about like Dahmer something you like. I gotTA GO Watch Family Guy. Do Give me the fuck out of this room for a Home Office man seriously anyway so mildred drives us on Robbie played by Lucas Hedges School and he says the billboards obviously his hovering some fucking disdain for her. I feel I feel really bad for Rabin this film actually what'd you think yeah. I mean she. It's almost like. Did you forget that I'm also here that I am. Your kid that like this is affecting me as well as yeah man. You really feel Shitty for him. I I didn't in the first part of this movie. You are Gung Ho and you're fucking with her but then as time goes on you see how it's affecting willoughby how it's affecting people in the town and you're like well fuck them and then you see what just doing home and you're like man this fuck man like at what point do us any side right at what point. I hate to say this. What what point do you kind of. Cut Your losses losses and say hey. I have to move on like I can't let this. It is a huge part of my life. It is not the entirety of my life. You know that's the thing that's where you become obsessed chest about it right. She's letting she's letting it absolutely consume her like a granted. It has been seven months like this could seven years later title like I think seven months later it's still it's still pretty fresh relatively fresh ride. Oh yeah so yeah I mean. That's a conversation that right. There is a conversation yet fucking. Get over it all right. It's been seven months. Get over early your child that bad in you'll fucking worm for nine months hours yeah nine months longer than the children have been conceived and born and more time than his than this grebe greet grievance period yeah. There's an overhead shot of ebbing. Remind me of dairy yeah to catch that yeah. Let's go smelter drive through the town. She notices willoughby heading into ebbing advertising. I love this kind of like it's really quick but you get the sense that he's telling. Dixon to stay behind and it's pretty cool and welby coming some verbal abuse from cedric the second in charge welby defend themselves saying it's all legal of a book called. Suck my ass. It's none of your business now this guy. I think he's the SARS to the little bald headed Guy Cetera. He's he's been in a lot of stuff. He he's yeah he he was in. He played role in an episode of early episodes of the x files that I really love and he again he did. In the episode Cold Roland Okay Awesome Cool. I can remember what the episode name was called but I absolutely loved him in that and I started reading a little bit about and he popped up as watching frazier the other day another man that's awesome. I love seeing these people who like just have steady steady careers like you know the older woman in insidious you know the one who spoiler alert you know it kind of gets killing at the end of the first one yeah she pops up dude. She's in the first nightmare ELM street. She's in dumb and dumber shoes on frazier. She was on Seinfeld. She was on friends. She was willing grace like this. Lady acted for like twenty years just before she ever popped up. I'm like a feature film as a main characters like that. I love seeing the people who were just like. Hey I'm just you know. I play supporting roles and I am. I am a actors actor and I'm like that's fucking cool. I always dig that. I like seeing this Guy Pat. It honestly kind of made me like knock knock this movie a couple of points like Oh that guy fuck and and he does great man he plays like a mentally handicapped guy in X. files amazingly and in this it's like he switches flawlessly to this kind of asshole southern cop. You know that's that's great history. It just such a wide range in this actor that I don't even know the name of Zelko Ivanova Vanik. I knew something weird yeah. He's from Slovenia yeah he was also an Auger from go. Ben Affleck and he was in mcdonagh's previous movie seven psychopaths okay okay so we'll be kicks kicks his feet up and wants to know how long the billboards awards are up for and how long have impactful both answers a year. Willoughby deduces that it's mildred Hayes back to the station that takes Cedric Cedric go at it. We get a sense that Dixon's a bit of a hothead cedric. Y will it be capes. Dixon employed reminds him that he tortured the guy in custody but willoughby stands up for him saying that there is no real evidence to support that bullshit. It's buried under fucking like rod at the bottom all of the fucking filing cabinet. Is that a thing like I know. That's the thing like have you do you know of any particular cases like this around where you live of way of tortured in custody people have called No I think not personally like my hometown town or anything not that I really know of I mean I'm sure if I did some digging yet but not not have any were. She's like such blatant police brutality. I think they've I think they've had to cut down because I where I grew up. Is You know it's it's. It's a little it's a little bit more rural. It certainly become a lot more developed now and it's it's a lot more. It's more progressive than it was but Nashville Dude you wouldn't be fucking caught dead doing this shit like there. There is some shit like that that happens but there is a large population of I mean we have African Americans. We have a lot of people from the Philippines. We have a lot I I can't tell you how many Muslim women I see walking around like like a Walmart where I live. I mean that's cool. I have a problem with it. It's just it's not something you see every day and then it became something I saw every day and I'm like that's cool like that day but now it has hit a point our I mean body cams and stuff. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to try and shed ABS- absolutely idiot for us. It's you know I think I think it's lesser now but aboriginal deaths in custody so MIA. That's that's always been massive thing. I remember my first. It's my first day if my first law unit studying law and it was the unit criminal law and like we were letting about original dozen custody and and what the name of the case was but essentially it was these two it was landmark case with two cops a holing this aboriginal guy in the back of there's sort of paddy wagon the back of the COP car and he it's it's hot like during the middle of the country that driving to Perth or some shit like in the middle of the country there's no air conditioning manning steele roof that and give him any water any died in the back of the van like that just started a whole fucking chain-reaction that introduced a whole bunch of legislation Russian essentially. I believe like that. Is that happens less so now or I want to believe that happens now but that was always a a big issue. Here doesn't custody but anyway yeah. I WanNa God how my True Crime Crime Dixon Orders Welby to take the billboards. Dan Manhandled Him and says you think I wouldn't take you out right here. On main straight Dale Yeah fuck man and his response other you only took out blackbeard's Dixon Goddamn dear mildred guys live on the news. Let's talk about her daughter. Angela and that the local police department a too busy torturing black folk than focusing on the investigation we are looking at willoughby watching Miller as she says with one hundred percent confidence that the buck stops with willoughby this is on him because he's the head of them. I love this element of the Phil the way I'm attributing this to Willoughby even though he's not he might not have been the lead detective while this is going down like this he's. He's the boss so he's in charge of this. I Love I love that because it's like it's kind of mentality that we have right now in culture where for example it. It's Kinda like a mob mentality. If anything right well yeah basically I mean she's. She's saying like ah you know. This is I mean it has to stop it. Has it has to stop somewhere. You know the the responsibility has to be taken. Maybe he's not directly responsible for this but it's kind of like the only thing worse than evil. Men are is the difference of Goodman and he's not a different. She's really painting him to be. I mean she. She's kind kind of offering him up as a sacrificial lamb. She's like listen. I know you didn't do anything wrong and I know that you probably do hit. She's asking for unrealistic things. At some point she is. She's asking me for things that break civil liberties and things that are ultimately against the law but she's kind of putting him up as a sacrificial lamb away of like listen i. I'm having to make an example people out of you because nothing's getting done and I mean seven months in something like this is is a long time and is not a long time. I mean you listen to a lot of true crime so do I sometimes it's Golden State where twenty thirty five years later. You're catching a guy off a Napkin. You know sometimes it is just something like that. It is is just a conversation that somebody over here. Is Somebody being at the right place at the right time but unfortunately most these crimes start with somebody being at the wrong place at the wrong time and it's very hard. It's so easy to destroy something. It's very hard to create and build something up like that and have a structure and that's that's what's so interesting about. It is the fact that she she craves raves that kind of she wants justice. She wants to structure. She wants this thing that makes sense but at the same time she is destroying everything around her to get to a she's selling softened often alienating family and I just I think especially this poor guy who you know what Harrelson is a nice guy you know. His character is nice. He's a decent cop and maybe he make some bullshit. You know make some bullshit excuses for for his Dixon deputy yeah. I'd say his his his deputy deputy bit bit more on the Assad teams right yeah and I think that he makes him bullshit excuses for him but it was hard because the mum says you work for them for threes out but now I think that she she's kind of offering him as a sacrificial lamb because as soon as something goes wrong with him. She's like obeyed like she is so. I don't know it's almost I feel like they were friends. Before this not just like oh I know who she is like. No we might have hung out a couple of times or even gone and had a beer or something like yeah like I I could believe that especially like her reaction to when he coughs up the blood it's. Yes yes but obviously watching coaching interview. This weighs heavily on Willoughby e guys out tens of the horses in the stable just outside. The House tells his wife. It looks like we go to worn out hands and that's exactly what it is by the way I be Cornish beautiful actress Australian but I don't think she's that right in this I'm just going to I mean if there's a wake link. It's a yeah I mean if I had to pick something I guess but I didn't really because because her screen time is so minimal you know she shouldn't have like Oh. Here's my wife. It was just the the age difference was one thing what kind of weird but but I mean apparently woody Harrelson beautiful cop so who knows but but I mean it just seen him answer the phone at the beginning like God damn ear inn onto my my fucking. God Damn Easter Sunday sorry kids but it it did kind of I mean. I guess if I had to pick on something you know the she's just she's got limited. Screen time you know and it's not something they don't. They don't pay a shit ton of attention to her character. So maybe that might be the better now. Willoughby Gus Visit Mildred Asa talk notably. She doesn't let him in catch that day. She decides to do the same thing special. He's reminding at a place on our longer up is hearing the case the DNA does much anyone in the database and there's no witnesses shade suggests pulling blood from every man in ebbing over the age age of eight but rights laws prevent that and what it feels just passing through says willoughby a resolution pull everyone's blood in the country. She says that if it were her I should solve a database and put every male baby that was born on as soon as he did something wrong. Make one hundred percent certain it was him and kill him dial right yeah. Naturally you get into like like I mean some Hitler. Shut your profiling people. You're like putting their shit on a database now. You're going guilty until proven innocent. You know that's where all she starting to fuck up. You know like now you have unrealistic expectations from what you're talking about and it's like dude. That's not gonNA happen man like and it's not gonNA. It's definitely not gonNA. Bring your daughter back. Yeah absolutely this is. This totally reminds me of like you know. If you fuller news pages on facebook post like videos of like I guess accused pedophile or keys as murderers or something you know being hold off to prison like hold off to quarter some she had and then you see the comment section and it's always like you know hang him well Castro de. It's like something totally extreme. Even though this person has been convicted or whatever or what it ain't questioned it. That's what it kind of reminds Mas meal like. It's kind of like this. You know the the extreme answer is always the answer kind of mentality right yeah. There's I mean was was certain. People may fucking Lucca do it. I'll pull the switch. I don't give a shit but I mean like the there is due process there is this is not the Middle Ages. We're not going to kick your door in and fucking put on a pole and run out of town honor hanging you there. There are people who are innocent people who were found guilty of crimes every day and that's the reason why this movie is kind of a good example of that you you know there's two people in this who are like you know. I mean one of them is semi innocent innocent of this specific one. They're talking about but not the general you know the the guy towards towards the end. did something right. He did something and it's kind of like a prisoners. That guy was fucking innocent man like like good God Almighty. You know and it's it's the price yes you pay when you go off of a hunch and you don't have the evidence behind it absolutely absolutely Shariff is is take the boards down. Willoughby tells us that he's got oh cancer. She says she knows and most of the people down. Do I love Willoughby a man like this. This might be my favorite saying of Harrison's the heat. I just love how cowherd here's because she's still put up the billboards knowing that fact while they wouldn't be as effective after your crook she says who yeah he can say the hut and and the regret in his eyes the I'm sorry that it got to this point in his is like because he's genuine. He's genuinely upset in the situation right yeah and I couldn't. I couldn't quite figure out I'm like you know. I think that part of it is the fact that he's like. Listen you know this is this is this has gotten to like a ridiculous this point and I. I don't really know what to say to you anymore but also when she's like you know yeah. I I don't I think I he's almost kind of hurt by it because he's like you know this is. I'm sick. I got cancer and he's I. He's almost coming at you like cut me some slack. You're dying and she's like. I know you're dying shit. Yeah I think now that's when he I think he's hurt by a bee. He's like man I think there's a bit of anger and he looks certain he's I how fuck you lady like go ed but then at some point the anger becomes the realization of how a have a fucking angry she must be but then. I think that turns to pity of him saying you know I I might be dying inside my body but she's dying inside of her soul from this shit like they're both dying in their own way and that. I don't know that's that's just I think I think that's so interesting seeing the fact that he looks hurt and then kind of angry and then kind of like I pity you lady like that's really the route. You're going like God have mercy on you man because I can't help you at that point man. It's something that we didn't really talk about right like an and we we don't really have that much jurisdiction to talk about it saying as we are not mothers but you know what man a lot of a lot of mothers probably all mothers would kind of sympathize with what mildred is doing here like this is this is totally. It's it's you can say someone don this real life and like it has been unreal off. Gordon Amman mcdonagh so yeah man like that's you gotta think about it that way too right like it's just like park doc from on months and you arrived and murdered and now I'm taking giles's advocate who I heard but in Abaya Dixon sling some shit. I've a Welby who says who's playing pool against the midget James Dink Ledge Dixon is Hamid all up in welby brushing off well well. I love how Welby is kind of like deflecting. It's great and Dixon just case Lang it on. I thought your Goddamn Communist China where they did faggots down in Cuba. They kill him. Dixon tells welby that Willoughby's a good man and that he shouldn't have to think about this in his last month and this flaws welby who didn't know about the cancer Sir Mildred tries up saying that she's next up pool and James immediately says hi and we get a sense that his intellect complementing a diligence dink the little moments of that dink which distinguished guests is fucking. Grad man just shows us. How great of an actor is Tommy. Get home to your Mama Dixon. The milk arrives home. Hey Robby. I think that Beijing wants to get them up here. It's not realizing the prices in that but essentially this is trying to coax mildred taken down the billboards. I love mildred face as the price has gone on about this like she came saw is down as the price is talking until he mentions willoughby and then like her face just looks up. She's like he says the town is dead set against the billboards that they know he's a stand up. Guy Took a poll did you father uh-huh yeah gives it to be to be criticized by somebody like this. Nah I don't think so. She's alluding to some incident. That happened in community and it's like yeah. Go Fuck yourself man you you you you tend to your own dude. Yeah I mean he gives a shit about church and that nobody's GonNa go whether urban billboards and she gets into it about the gangs and the laws to combat the gangs in La culpability and gangs con Lucky Judge Boys Einon at Man this escalates it's quick you're culpable because you joined the gang man and tells him to get the fuck out of a kitchen this outstanding sane this fucking mcdormand is just fucking powerhouse. Although we start to see she's lumping people yeah I. It's like somebody saying yeah. No well your your last name's Ali. You must be a terrorist since I know there are people with the last name who are not terrorists like there are white people live in the south that don't fucking. Have you know bedsheets in their closet. You know there's there. You're kind of lumping people into this category. They're like the hells. Angels are a motorcycle gang do they. You fucking shit all the time now. They've done some horrendous shit but they do some pretty nice off as well so it's like wall like are we just. GonNa kill all them because there are some who takes you too far. It's like now. Oh that's just painting everybody with the same brush that's fucked up right and I was GONNA. Ask this question light up. This is the big question that kind of lingering over this entire sort of like film the way this movie closes out and they'll the logic that she's applying here. Is She going to kill that guy in auto beheading lumping them all in one one group then like at this point in the film. She probably is right like like from what she's saying. She's like well his culpable. He did this right. I I don't know L. Because with Sam Rockwell character I think that whereas he shown forgiveness by somebody else I think that he is the one show forgiveness to her and be like listen. We're we're not talking about. Forgiveness on a level of what happened to your daughter but like I think the seeds are somewhat planted there. Yeah that's still that's still something that I I really haven't decided it on Broadway so if you if we get to the end of the podcast and I'm going to be like then w surprised because I know yes willoughby. Willoughby loses the doctor after he tells after he tells them he's back on. He's got his back on him about the billboards and we'll be asked Dickson to give them the fallen Angela Hayes as a lady with a funny fucking. Oh Yeah fat dinner and a lady with a funny book and they go back out to the billboards awards willoughby us to out Dixon layoff welby or kick his mom stay in Dixon nails are thinking as Dixon says sorry willoughby nails. I was thinking as Dixon six and says there's nothing look full. Mildred visits the dentist Ner numbing nine Novocain and he's a bit of a Dick stands out across the numbing agent goes who she she pisses his fingernail with a drill thing about this. I'll do it. I'm I was so fucking down four. 'cause I mean he's like it'll take a couple minutes and then like twenty seconds later. He's trying to pull all that two thousand. I'm like okay. I mean they had already said something about fat dentist anyways but I mean it's like man that I don't know I it kind of it ends up being thing because now we see where she's kind of been a bitch and she's meow treating this guy like shit who's dying fucking cancer and I understand what's happened but you cannot hold him personally responsible. You know for this staying like and then when we see the town trying to kind of physically harm her to get retribution. We're with her because she is in the she's end the right. They're trying to physically hurt her out and it's like all right nope like we. We need now that we kind of shown that she's gone too far. We need to really back in and we need to show the fact that we need something to get us back on her side basically and I think he does a great job at dinner and I fucking love to fuck this fat bastard yeah. NEWSHAM fucking graphic. A two Riley was well done. We'll be in Dixon into the gift shop Willoughby also she went to the dentist that day. I love that like like she's tried to hide it. She's like no but really like fucking mouth is numb and fat dentist wants to press charges so they're going to have to bring mildred in the playstation. The Station Interview Room Dixon's guarding the door of course this is the conversation about the persons of Color thing Rod Dixon held Saldana how it's going in the end. We are torturing business. Dixon corrects it. It's it's funny. It's it's kind of like is Dixon kind of like. I don't know if he's smart enough to to be justifying his actions if he did torture this guy right yeah kind of like if it's kind of like you know I it's it's not that bad because it's peasants of collar torturing in business right yeah. It's almost like is he making a joke or is he did and I'm going to be funny about it. You know it's got to go but as soon as he says something. Oh it's the persons of color color torture and business he's I am. I didn't torture anybody so I think I think it's I don't know much left a little ambiguous so you can kind of. I pretty sure he we did but I mean you never know more than likely. Did you know no but I mean Willoughby protects Dixon again. He says done that look if you go rid of every call for the vaguely rises says leanings then you'd have three cups left. All of them are GONNA hate fags. So what are you. GonNa do right yeah exactly. I mean they are in fucking Missouri what he had to do. Mildred denies she drilled a hole but it will be doesn't care about the dentist. Nobody cares about dentists dentist. I love love although I eat enunciation. What he cares about or is interested in trying to help her in court tying up her in sorry tying her up in court so long hours at the gift shop? ASSOC shot how to shit that she ain't got penny pay for another month billboards will I will obeys interested in that right when it's Kinda willoughby's plan. It seems a little harsh rush. I guess but out derecognise just kind of like squaring up or that's legitimate think is thinking about things about what he is. A caught got my think that a lot of cops are good tacticians. I think that you know don't ever underestimate opponent and you know try to figure out what their next move is going to be and I think think that if you have if you have a pipe and the pipe as busting water out of it you don't try and find something to court to shove in the pipe. You find the switch to turn the water complete. You want to kill it at its source so if he's like if I can kill you know if I if I if you write or thank you if he if you WANNA kill a plant you don't just sit there and rip the plan out by the roots you can shut off the block it out of the Sun effectively the same thing and you know that that thing won't be able to grow back and that's that's basically what I think he's doing. He's like I want to. I will put you. I will put you in a spot where you can't afford this anymore because I think it's also from willoughby standpoint which you know we don't we don't know his hundred percent true feelings on it yet but I I think I think that he's kind of hit a point where I I. I don't know maybe still initially he hasn't you know because when he leaves a note he's like I thought there are a great idea. Blah Blah but I think at first he's like this is what my wife and kids are seeing in the last month that I'm alive live right or when he has that conversation with her you can see the anger and he's like this is what my family gets to put up with or right before I die and and I think after a while he kind of concert to see things from his perspective as like where she lost the kid and are the daughter and he he's you know she's she's. She's dealing with that. He's the one being lost and he's having to watch his family deal with that and it's like Dan. That is so interesting to see someone who lost somebody. Body have to play an and see the emotions in and see the other side things from someone who is going to be the one loss and it's like Dan Dan that is so interesting to me man the contrast between that of like literally the puzzle pieces of different puzzles connecting together as that's fucking nut dif- different circumstances. It's a different picture but it's similar puzzle piece right through our actions. She's create another victim yeah. She tells willoughby about our ex. Husband's tractor trailer trial pay for that month billboards go. I got a little what she said. She's like I got. Some dire put away on about her ex husband. Charlie still with a pretty little intern who down dessert he doesn't know about the billboard his ex cop and the next one data and man this this. I saw this is shocked the shit out of me as like Willoughby's just short shop cough but sprouts blood that hits mildred in the face. It didn't mean to and she knows it. This is such an this is one of my favorite assignments in this entire may be right. We've cinemas rivals enemies but just even just for like a little moment like this right where suddenly this becomes rail for mildred. She helps him. She calls him baby. She goes to a I guess. Get someone for help. She doesn't judge him or blame him like she doesn't enjoy this. She's she's. She's suffering through this dislike willoughby. It's fucking amazing pace of compassion that mildred is is afforded right yeah. I think this is a great scene because it is nothing personal. You know like I. I think that how she feels about him. As crazy as it sounds it is not something personal. She is trying to provoke and and get the you know. She is trying to raise awareness as so so people. Don't forget about it and hopefully by doing this. She's GonNa to get people on the news and get people talking but unfortunately he's the one that she kind of you know pins it on It wouldn't matter if he if he were the deputy hey great. I don't give a fuck. You give me me the chief of police you know. It's whoever the chief of police so they're kind of. I I don't know it almost reminds me of there is a I came for his World War One or World War Two of of the the soldiers and on Christmas Day they all stopped shooting at each other and had a meal and played soccer and the next day went right back to shooting at each other as that's fucking and nuts but it hit a point like you know it. There is a time to be civil and there's a time to pick up the gun and at that point you know. I think that when that happens she's like Oh my oh God you know. I know you didn't mean to do that. I think that the maternal instinct kinda kicks in this is a woman who is grieving for the loss of a child and I think that that maternal instinct just snapped like right right back into place and she's like Oh baby. I know you didn't mean that like Blah. Blah Blah and it's great. It's such a good scene because we need it. She's been such a bitch the whole time like we need that scene gene to show that she does have that kind of software. You'll human right. We don't really see her breakdown. We don't really see her. You know a question what she's doing she so oh strong and steadfast at we need a moment to show the vulnerability of it absolutely man like it's. Shit motherfucker now. I'm just getting icon icon. There's no way there's I don't even try anymore. I'm just like your podcast. Willoughby's guaranteed into an ambulance. and Willoughby tells Dixon to let her go ride like he's already kind of showing him the right way and after they take willoughby away I geoffrey the fat dentists and the lady with funny I come to mildred and tell to tech the bill was down that didn't happen. Maybe that's a delayed sane. Say the fuck. I didn't see it shouldn't yeah delighted saying I'm writing off of a like a breakdown at. I think that's delighted. You should've just instead inside of an Australian got a male. I it's just you know just the stuff you guys get but we Kinda to rugby and major driving down drink water right again Dan. He didn't read the police report because he was depressed enough as fucking was this is causing him some shrive like this is he wants to he doesn't. I don't want to forget but he also doesn't. WanNa be reminded every day like this. I got this. I get I get. We're always feeling it's rough and then we get this flashback. This is the no one sane in the entire movie that I feel like can be cut out entirely. I think it's on the shoulder rose yeah yeah and if they don't show her. It's a little bit more powerful. You know yeah I feel like yeah but also like the convenient. I'll hope I get right to hope you get right to is this kind of like okay. This is how WanNa think about it. This is how it like to think about it because I feel like this. This movie is stronger than this sane. Max It out to be I. I hope that this is kind of hell mildred pictures how this interaction went her loss real interaction went. I hope that this this didn't actually happen and I hope that this is kind of like mildred guilt sort of crew aiding the situation in her head. If that makes sense right yeah because it is it is woj way too I mean I hope you get ready to GIG mighty. Why don't you just give the guy the gasoline for Fox say I think the only the reason why this whole scene will stand up for me is because there will be no more comments and this house. Are you moving out as dude. I laughed so oh I fucking needed it to dude. I needed that lap. I could uncontrollable after I got a pause. This shit dude. I'm fucking laughing my ass Ashok as it is such a good sometimes. They sometimes people set up a joke and you can see the set in the U. C. Set up and you know the LEX- next line you see coming from a mile away okay and I did not see that common man my idol. There's another one there's another one coming up. That's kind of related to that that mentioned and so we're going to look chafe willoughby. He Dr Seyni stabbed the hospital but he ain't stay in and is an arguing again. Willoughby has our I plan on on on being traded for this ever get back to mildred who trust Maghrabi Love Texas spoonful of milk and cereal that she slings threaded his face. Rosen says your old Kant and my favorite line in the entire movie. Did I all ABI it. It makes me think of a fucking Shaun of the dead when she's like he's arguing with Liz and he's like why don't we go David di. She's like Oh you want to know. My friends have failed actress into their harsh words. Your words I didn't call Diana failed actress but he doesn't give a shit of are taught and I fucking love that man. I love those as line. What do you reckon about. Mildred actions like you know her trying to just trying to cheer Robbie up like She's trying to get back to some sense of normalcy Woolsey right well. I think that it's funny. You say sense of normalcy is what kind of family is it. Worth sense of. Normalcy is slinging to add a spoonful of cereal L. in your kid face. That's weird to me like that's like I don't know those. It's funny and it's tension breaking and that's what's great about it. You know but you can tell this family is not like most families like there is spousal abuse. They curse at each other. You know but it's all kind of done. I don't know the spousal abuse not so much but like the cursing cursing and the the mean-spirited kind of stuff is all done in jesting. It's all done in humor and I think that that's what's great about is the fact that they call each other contin and you know make fun of each other but it is kind of all in humor until the dad shows up and then you see maybe these people have some issues with each other by like man man. They fucking have each other's backs. When it comes to push shove yeah no absolutely like there's that family unit still sort of like the structure of it is still there but yeah like you said her ex-husband. Chali comes to a place with his nineteen year old girlfriend. Dina who this is now the the the female Bill Hader and I was like she talks like I don't know what it is. She talks like hate. she looks somewhat like Mugabe but she is Australia and she is the daughter of of Hugo. Weaving some are waving. Oh okay that's random agent. Smith right yeah yeah wow that means she can. She's he's fucking smoking but one congrats actors of all time I love Hugo so she hadn't heard a word from him and seven Goddamn months and she this gets this. It gets physical until penelope into rops saying that she needs to pay a love the the ongoing jerk that she smells like Shit Yeah Yeah Yeah Charlie Charlie. Let's go of Mildred Robbie and Iraq's the table and we we kinda find out from Robbie that Angela Angela the Doda asked her father to move in with him before she died right in this crushes mildred and interestingly it crushes mildred but in that same maternal way it doesn't change anything like she's not going to be like okay. I'm going to take down the billboards because she didn't love me like there's not not even like a consideration of that. She's like she's still my baby even though she wanted to move in with with a house with with a husband with Father Rela sorry but we'll any else you know what leaving she's in that new movie that just came out ready or not yeah yeah. I thought that's okay. It's not out here yet but yes. She talked. What about an upcoming attractions actually yeah. I haven't seen yet apparently supposed to be actually actually pretty good but I was like all right. That's that's what I said on the episode did did. I'm like I don't know about this. I don't know about this but we get to Dickson Dickson's. Mom says he needs to fuck fuck. Doc Mildred Dixon considers this note mildred funds shop closed handwritten says I got arrested denise with a sad face. It comes down to the playstation. Hey Fuck Ed Dickson arrested. A friend donets full possession of to marijuana cigarettes. Oh how it's absolutely fantastic comes in and say fuck it in the sergeants an fucking Dickson's Dickson. You do not address. He calls you it. It's a good dirt and then we get to recover to Willoughby and and having die for themselves right like this kind of like in setting up his impending suicide. Oh Yeah but I love I love you know Willoughby's speaking to his two kids about the fishing rods and then they go ever ever fuck in the forest. I know I like I hope they don't cut to them fucking because we all know they're going out there and fucking yeah. I I made some subtlety guys but yeah milk is fixing the flowers in pots in the billboards and out of nowhere. A born appears is she opens up to the foreign right this is this is right this monologue how come you can't hair nowhere looking separate. U. N. trying to make me believe in reincarnation or something yeah area while you're pretty but you ain't her. She got killed and now she'll be dead forever. I do thank you for coming up the but had some give it to you but I've only got some dirty dozen. I'll be scared that kill you. They caught pointy then. Where would you be and the fallen leaves and she just breaks down. You know and I just I don't. I let me ask you this. I'm I have a loaded gun to your head. Let's say I I've got Kimble guns. I've got another one to your balls escalated quickly exactly so so I'm going to pull the trigger on one of these. Not GonNa tell you which one if you can tell me what this does to make the movie better. I I appreciate kind of like an internal monologue. I appreciate in absence of narration like I like the McDonald didn't have narration or anything to tell us what to kind of like humanize her a little bit more. I guess ordered. I'm lowering the hammer on the gun to your balls like this. You know I'm lowering the hammer that means I'm taking I've clicked a hammer back and the hammer is now being lowered back into SPA now now. I think that's valid. We need a little bit more more of her kind of like breaking down and what I wish they had done. You don't like the right you don't really like the flashback dreamers sweet. You know whatever we WANNA call that. I don't really dig this scene. I wish they had combine them to where maybe it's a dream and I would love to see her. Sit Down in that room. Get up and it's just like it's the same shot and it's like nothing ever happened and she's like you have a good day sweetie and then she wakes up and she's on the couch and she's still dead and it's. Dan that to me would show how she feels about it and the the vulnerability but also at the same time showing like kind of like the guilt because I think that's what that scene trying to get across us as the Gill. It's heavy handed and I think think this scene does a decent job of humanizing her but it's just random. Just this random deer out of nowhere. I just don't I don't know it. Just it just seemed kind of like Mike off to me I I. I don't know what it was. It's not a mood killer for me but it. Why is it so if I had to cut something out you know I would probably cut this out? I don't really need it. You know that's interesting. It is it is random for show like it is it does feel like it's kind of out of my way but I again elected. I like that. It's kind of like her like version of like her. In a monologue like I liked that we kind of get some sort of feeling as to what shared failing and also our fucking McDonalds dominate this right like she's just yeah killing this like if this is a lesser actress than maybe a bit like that. It's a bit rookie but she's just absolutely mailing this by the way that day looks like dog shit. It's green screen does fuck yeah right and I read something about something with a deer in its trainer and I was like like Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa. That deer is not fucking real. There's no way right like that's not a real dear right. It's okay so it's a real dear. Eh But it's it's filmed in like a pot like observatory. It's not there with a ingrain screened in it supervise. Okay okay okay. I was like hold on military. Guys who office read is saying that the money she gave. Dave was The deposit says she's actually a month behind in the payment right. This is kind of changing his mind all rather someone's getting to red and they're interrupted by Pamela gives redeye mysterious envelope full of banknotes. The night says the money is to go towards the fun. Mildred tasers billboard signed a friend now. Let me ask you something do you think do you think anybody's actually getting to him or do you think it's just a conversation he had with. Dixon and he's like Oh. I didn't know that he had cancer. It's bothering me now because if he's willing to forgive Dixon for beating the fucking throwing out of a window magin how bad he feels knowing that had Oh God that the chief. The chief has cancer yeah Willoughby. Thank you imagine how bad he feels. Now knowing that guy has cancer and he's taking money to you know basically a slander him. Yeah you know what actually haven't considered that seeing as like the last time would sane welby was he'd just learnt that fact so yes probably more likely that you know his conscience is speaking to him and being like hey. It's Kinda wrong to be doing this to Chafe willoughby right now so yeah. Maybe maybe someone didn't get to him. I think you're official so yeah. I guess I'm GonNa need a receipt for the for for those days like now he's like Oh. Yeah yeah starts. That's that's a great man. I think men Caleb Landry giants fucking kills this like he's. He's the I love how is like stumbling over his words and is like not to show what to do is kind of caught in the middle of this but I I think he nails this man like this cried but Willoughby Tux kids into beds it's the end of the fun day and is drunk drunk and they they fled together she makes Dick Jokes saying that he's got the best cock of Beautiful Colorado. We'll we'll be says certainly needs to claim the Horse Shit and as Willoughby shovels shit thinks of the day last word was Oscar Wilde and then picks up a black hood on the outside of which as pinned chart that rates darn open the bag colder boys and shoots himself dam. That was a left turn man that is not order. I mean I you right. You know that he's not going to sit there in and let himself sit at the hospital and widow rollaway in at some hope. It's some even slight hope when I think this is another great contrast between between hit the litt- between he and Oh my God I'm drawing a blank. I keep on say Ingrid like your name's. Not fucking angered Mildred Mountain. I think right and I think that's I think that's a great contrast between them where she is holding off on me no way way way out in left field on some slight hope that somebody might actually be able to help her and he that ship has sailed for him. You know he's probably got several months left of like semi decent health. He's not wasting away. He's not you know but I think that he is cutting off for. This is calling size of it. Yeah Fro for sure. It's getting bad but like I think if I mean even if you were to enter some kind of treatments there's still three or four months of like of decent health for your like bedridden and fucking going blind and shit and all had horrible stuff like but he is like no. I the first sign that that this that they're that this is fruitless. I'm done. I'm done Dan that that is fucking like you said you know you could sit. There are no it's it's it's the bravery of the next few months of still being with you and still waking up with you off playing with the kids against the next few months of seeing in your eyes you know seamy whittle away a in stuff like that and that's that's what I think is so great about it is is just him saying like. I'm not GonNa sit there and let me let you. Are you know what I me. I'm not GonNa sit there and let you watch me what away like that and he's like. I'm just not doing it anti Dan. That's fucking brutal too hard decision to make to be on us like if you're if Hugh Willoughby so question for your so does does does mildred putting up the billboards does that accelerate all rather influenced influence his decision. That's a really good question. I I didn't even really think about that but if we if we if we want to tie like mildred connections like mildred actions ends of putting up the billboards and Willoughby's death suicide if we want to tie those two things together in Carlisle them like they they connected did mildred somehow caused the death of Willoughby or inspire it yeah yeah as the movies trying to make you believe because that's what Dixon blaze right right and and I think that I maybe she did but in a positive way I know that's weird weird but bear with me. The only thing I can think is that he realizes hey like I'm dying and I see the state that this woman is left in win. You know somebody that close to her has died and I don't want to sit there and watch that happened to me. I don't want to sit there and watch that happen to my kids and my wife and I would rather. Are you know their final final memory of me not because he I think you know mildred. She's just thinking about that charred corpse of her daughter. That's her last last image and he's like now versus she. She didn't get to choose the faith is she lives with for the rest of her life thinking about her daughter. I will choose to fate of how people remember me because I've seen the alternative and fucking sucks is like I'm not doing that shit now. I I think that's what I think is great about. It is his SIM saying no. I'm going out on my own terms. You know there's plenty of arguments for euthanasia and people who are you know they're losing their minds and they have dementia and Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and I. I think that I personally think that should be option for people at your body. It's your life and I don't think that anybody should tell you that you should have to sit it there and endure those final months of pain because they they don't think you should do that. It's like fuck you man on the one dying ultimately. I think that's totally aggressive and I mean I. I don't WanNA see some healthy nineteen year old. You know whose girlfriend dumped and go jump off a bridge. That's fucking way different but I think in cases like that. You know I think that you like you said it's not in the bravery of looking down a bullet and the bravery of of of not letting you see me like that but but no tanger- question. I don't think she inspires him in the negative way. I think it inspires him in a positive way to back life's too short. I can't spend my whole life getting pissed off because somebody put my name billboard. He's like I. I have a family she doesn't I. I need to go and spend time with him. What them you know let let us have this last moment together. You know that's a good way of putting it. I'd I'd never a man. There's a couple of things the fucking considering the step aside instead of that but initially like when I watched the movie I was like okay so I I had the view that Dixon has initially like. I had the view that mildred you're renting out of the billboards pretty much prematurely caused willoughby's. Willoughby's death like that that totally inspired but like now dislike. I didn't think I did. I didn't think it did. I'd like you know Willoughby says in his suicide Edna that I'm just taking on face value right like I have to believe that like what he's writing in his suicide. Note is the truth because I mean he knows about die so he says that there are a great idea. Did you totally apologizes and I don think the guilt of not catching Angela Hayes kill is getting to him. I think honestly it's it's what you said. I think it's more like I don't WanNa. I don't WanNA suffer through this. I don't want my family to suffer through this. I think that will be kills himself. Had this billboard stuff not going down in the first place anyway yeah but that's a yeah that's a conversation. I wanted to have with because I I wasn't take shortish. Leo's is like I don't know if there's two things are connected but I I definitely think so strictly because I mean you like you said you. WanNa take on face value that he's not lying the no you know I I believe that Willoughby's last words that person would not be ally. You know he's like this. Is My last testimonial this. This is the final chapter I least you know I have to be one hundred percent yet and that's why that's why I'm choosing to fucking put so much value in those words right because there's no way he's lying in his loss words in his last moments but anyway man What do you reckon about taking a break right here. Let's do it buck you guys. Thank you so much for hanging around we will be right back with more three billboards outside ebbing Missouri well bill. Well Look added this far into the episode just taking a quick break here. We've got a few things that we'd just wanted to put out the F. any new companies or if you're not part of Brian Community maybe this could benefit you to firstly. We just want to let the newbies episodes and the way that will feature currently structured as he narod now. You're listening to one of FHA presentations. 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Dot Com thanks again for listening is back to the show. Hey guys welcome back to our episode of three billboards outside. Ebbing Missouri We background break freshly squeezed as we like to say Presley's but essentially the cops are dealing with the fallout of Willoughby's death right. This is way into say how this affects Dixon and we're going to say how this how Dixon decides to take matters into his own hands. I love this kind of like Dixon being like not even aware of like like he's listening to his headphones and then like you know the the the other cops like Stolman to the station and throwing shit around and he's like what happened finds out in the bathroom. I love him. Look kind of like you know brushing his hair. He kinda like boulders and up into a fist. It looks like he's about a punch. The gloss before changes his mind. Oh yeah I was thinking Dude Ed that would be bad ass if he ripped off into that mayor pulled a night crawler fucking ripped into it. I was like Nah that now. He's a bitch but he's not really that much of a bitch izzy because what happens next. Let's let's talk about. This aren't always still a bitch. I mean you you beat up on our man and a bunch of woman in the face and it's like Jesus. Christ dude like I'm amazed at took as long as it did. Just I mean like the great part when he's crossing the street and there's the new chief like right. There and you're like ooh fuck like that's really what seals the deal but but yeah. I'm just I'm just amazed at even took that long that there wasn't some cop in there all right dude. You're under arrest like you're like. Somebody would have arrested him. You know but it's like it's just incredible the things that all these guys just have is back so much. They're like no. You're fine. Dude like okay all right. Yeah yeah absolutely man like this. This whole thing here is just so so fucking well done. This was so unexpected when he just goes across the street to the advertising agency just uses not stick to smash the gloss did when he pulled out his gun from the hall sir. I was like no way he's not. GonNa shoot him. He's located shoot that essentially a fucking throws him off the roof spend palms. What's her name in the face. Jesus crust this is this is Bertel will yeah. I mean that in like you talked about him pulling the gun out like you know he's not. GonNa in a shoot somebody over it. He's not that stupid but like I expected them to come up and just like shoot around his feet or something do something fucked up but when he switched e. c. m. foot the gone okay so this is a this is a a bashing thing. Okay I got it not a pistol weapon gone on so yeah like you said he walks past the new the near Boston you chase and this is clock. Betas probably best known for his role in the UAE as detective Lester framing this this dudes towards this too. It's awesome dirt. He was a he also had a little bit hot in the first John Wick as well. He's he's cool. He's a cool cat. You know we didn't mention I actually you know what we have. I'm sorry we mentioned that fucking San Rockwell and Buchan tonight. I'm Jay Garage. Where am I blanking. She's delayed. Frances Goeman won Oscars for this movie. Oh yeah you know somebody stole her fucking Oscar. Yeah Yeah head about that. That's fucking with did did. She end up getting a back to yeah. Apparently it was like a really brief moment but there's like there's like a picture of her guys. Terry Bryant tear. It's it's from this from New York Times nine and it's a picture of them standing right beside each other standing near Francis we dormant at the governor's ball on Sunday. Mr Mr Brian was later charged in the theft of Miss mcdon- miss mcdormand's Academy Award Statue so I guess he sold like the after party. I'm not yeah a man accused of theft. Terry Brian of Los Angeles was in custody on Monday afternoon afternoon. Los Angeles less. LAPD spokeswoman said on Monday facing charges of grand theft like damn. I guess things yeah. His bail was set at twenty thousand dollars yes she dorman was seen putting her. Oscar down on a table what she snacked on macaroni and cheese and chatted not long after after a photographer working for Wolfgang Puck you know the chef Wolfgang Puck who cater the event noticed a man with an Oscar in hand leaving the area. Fuck God damnit that's. That's you know what now he's got the story for the rest of his life to be like this is what I did children this this is I i. I would just love to see him like looking around like just Kinda. Go inside. I'd both ways and then just like the Beverly Hills Cop ooh Poo Poo and grabbing it running away. My house stealthy run a fucking. There's hundreds of people around. How could you possibly get away with that. You know dirt third and with all the celebrities that the security would be nuts. Oh Yeah so military draws Robbie school suddenly the windscreen gets hit by shake shake out of the car and kicks. These kids in the crutches fucking punts the last one. I know I fucking love. I love that because you think she you know she's. GonNa hit that girl now she she she doesn't talk but again. This is kind of just showing the fallout I guess right of her taking out these advertisements and Robbie thanks thanks on his way to school for making his life was and we get the new Chafe Abercrombie entering the station. House says he's been sat down to take over from shape willoughby walks disc Dixon and ask what happened to his hands. Dixon says he banged him up while I was throwing some guy out of fucking window you you know the usual Cumbria House for his badge and his gun dixon gives them his gun but confident his badge. He's just like a the cat actually can't find it. Sir what a fucking moron man like the hilarious part is like I mean again when he walks across the street and you just see him put that Adhan on his hip and a badge on his on his belt and you're like Oh fuck by either. That's like a state trooper or you know like that. Somebody who out definitely outranks him at a -tective or something like that and then once he gets in there and he's like he's just what is he saying. None of you crackers got work to do. Isn't that rises. I Love I love Dixon ban like that's right. Get the scene in the gift shop right this guy. This guy who ends up being the subject of mildred and Dixon's witch-hunt lighter comes to the gift shop mildred thinks the customer but he throws a glass rack seven bucks for that thing come on that's highway robbery or the thing that she somehow support the child is a single mother and has that house I was like Nah. There's no fucking way like like there's no way she's a work that pays that mortgage unless like. Oh Yeah this little Rochon classes twenty seven dollars. You know to be something outrageous but that's a good thing this whole scene I don't I don't hate it but is who is this dude. Did he just hear about the story and he didn't like her or is he actually a friend of Willoughby. I know we don't ever quite get a beat on him but like I didn't really know Oh. I don't know he just kind of comes in there at no air. You know what I mean like. I think it would have been different if there had been something. Maybe some indication that that mildred is like you know she's. She's basically saying like hey. I saw this guy in or maybe he looks familiar or maybe in some way she starts to indicate him and then we have this scene so it's like. Oh Oh fuck but I duNno. I didn't hate it but the seem it does just seem kind of random. You Know Oh yeah I mean I guess yes but I mean when he could be doing this out of fail like hey doesn't know I mean like let's let's assume the this guy the girl that he because we know he writes someone that murdered that girl but he could be like okay this bitch the the case that she's putting out this sounds very similar to mine so I'm GONNA do some shit to try and throw off the trial yeah I I didn't. I didn't really know what to think of it because it just seems so so random and part of me. Even no I mean I know they say he's not in the country and it's on his. DNA but part of me still is like maybe he's not the one. He's one of the onlookers maybe he's not. The Guy who actually visited visited physically raped her but he's one of the guys who is a party to it like I know when he's in the bar. He says there was two or three guys so it's like well. Couldn't this guy just be one of the onlookers onlookers instead like I don't know. I think that it's there has to be some kind of connection even tentatively to put him here. You know for whatever reason. I I don't know it. It is kind of random it just it just threw me off. It just seemed like we needed. This scene is in there because we need to set up. The fact that this guy is gonNA come back later. That's that's what it seemed like. The the whole reason of this scene was to me so an walks in right. She gives a the lead off from willoughby and has a has a bit of a a bit of cry cry but are like she's. What does she say. She's a fuck over it. My God Dan Lady like Hey Haitai that morning cannot just remind you of that Kim Point. She makes a good point of being what the fuck do we do on the day husband. Does that's just fucked up. I tell you what you do. You get the fuck out now. I'm just kidding. tell you what tell you go. Go fucking warehouse by a few bags of concrete. Put it in some water and drink that she just lay in a bathtub of it and drown yourself like you would your sorrows now yeah I like. It's it's a pretty good scene. I think that there has to be this. This makes sense. The widow of this guy that you have been kind of defaming coming and saying something to you that that to me is not random that to me. He is like listen. You know he wrote these letters. In thing is he could have just put them in the mail and they would have gotten in a week or two but he was like listen. I need you to give this to her and I think it almost I I don't know I wish there had been something something to wear. You know she had said something like I don't know maybe I'm just reaching here but I love him. Be like hey listen to. You don't need to hate her. She didn't fucking do anything. This is my decision. You know what I mean like I mean I don't want to seem like I'm splitting hairs here but I think that not that. He chose for them to get together other but there is something interesting about the fact that he has his wife go and do it. You know I maybe maybe he's doing that intentionally to make mildred kind of face uh-huh to face something like that you know what I mean to what he's saying like to see to make mildred be a little bit more sympathetic to them. Maybe not even to him but j just say like hey listen like you know you know. I'm trying to think of the right way to say it like maybe something I think when she knows that he has cancer and she's like I don't give a fuck. You'll be you know the these billboards or more impactful with you being alive before you die. I knew you had cancer and it's like flock doc like I think that's when that pity comes in and he's like you know this. I need you to see that. What you're doing is is raw like she has now started to hit a point where it's like? This is getting really tasteless like having this shit up because the fact that the chief of police just shot himself in the head is now taking away all of this kind of attention that would ever come from the billboard any positive row kind of thing. I think he's trying to say hey look. I'm not that that's the reason that he shot himself but I think he's I think he's I duNno I. I personally think he's trying to say something but having heard deliver the letter and be like look at the book look at the reality of of of of of what's happening because of all this and I'm not saying let it go but like what are you trying to accomplish with this really like raising awareness okay. That's cool but what what happens after you raise awareness. You know like what's going on here. Sure what's the next steps right absolutely so willoughby's letter. I Apologize For dying without catching daughter's killer. He says he did care there. Are there's some cases where you never catch a break. Then five years down the line some guy his some other guy bragging about it in a barroom or jail cell at all things wrapped up through she she has depite then he writes about the billboard saying it was a great fucking idea that will likely club chess moves folder. They had nothing to do with his dying but his show his show. Everyone in town will Ashim that they did. So I was academy. He decided to pay the next month's rent she as she's writing and she's laughing. I I call sorry. I called that. Shit when it was awesome sister Simpson suspicious personally like well who the fuck has got five grand sitting around as we know he's loaded. He's got fucking horses in his stable out back. They've got a nice house as dude. He's got the five grand to draft specially if you're dying but because I think at that point. What does he care? I'm fucking dead like what her on my name in the dirt if it helps if it helps them find who killed this fucking guy who helps them find who killed this fucking girl cool. I don't care I'm dead. Yeah Yeah Yeah Dixon Yup Yup Yup Dixon Tokyo Mum Rod who wants WHO's asking him if he if he wants to go down and talk to him. Jesus Dixon doesn't want that someplace ending cut man things have moved on in the south says Dixon and it's it might even be like him coming to grips with this like that. Things have moved on like this is kind of like the character telling himself that as well yeah I can. I can kind of see the seat that being planted because we I by the way his mom. Tom Is maximum from always sunny in Philadelphia from some somewhere I do that. Oh did you hear what always sunny in Philadelphia or now. I have a problem of saying being always funny in Philadelphia. I swapped that up all the time like fucking dyslexic but now I do see because I think he's he's. He's kind of looking at his mom and she's like well yeah yeah. That's fucked up. I mean how you've been there three years and he's like you know this can't I can't this can't be me. I can't let this happened me. I'm not going to be sitting here and sitting on a porch smoking cigarettes drinking beer my whole life and I think once I mean especially the fact that it's a is he is he racist. Yes yes like did he torture somebody. We don't really know probably probably so when a black cop shows up a black chief of police detective or whatever you know for a formal title he's I changed when that guy shows up and it's just like getting your badge and get the fuck Outta here. He's kind of like Oh okay okay so like I need to grow up 'cause is he not just so like he's dom and he's racist. He's a fucking idiot. There's almost this weird innocence to Dixon. Then he's reading commentary and yeah he's always got like fucked up hair and the cow lick see now you know what I mean. That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm thinking. Maybe he's close to being on the spectrum. Xm Now yeah totally like it is kind of one of those things of like is he. He legitimately choosing to be this person or is he so immature sure that he's he hasn't really. I don't know he hasn't questioned the things around him. You know like I said if he this guy the quarterback of the football team and it was just Mr Popular in in high school and I do. I Love Sam Rockwell now. It's making sense to me if this was a much younger character. If you were five six seven eight years younger younger that would make a little bit more sense to me. You know what I mean like. I I feel like how old do you think this guy is. Maybe like mid thirties yeah. I'd say Elliot admit that is right. That's what I'm saying like. This guy is like twenty four twenty five am I do I buy that. I know he now Rockwell and mcdormand. I mean they fucking deserve the fuck gotTa Oscars but Rockwell. I know this guy. He is so a mosaic of so many people I went to school go with that. I know what I mean down to the haircut and the the drunken kind of stare were there like staring in your chest and their drunken. They're not really looking in your eye as I ever even down to. The way that he walks is like I we haven't talked about Sam Rockwell enough and the character development that he did on this and trying to get the accent down and I tick this is the only Oscar he's won so far right best support yeah. That's correct yeah. That's fucking bad ass dune he just he totally deserved. I think he knocked it out of the fucking pork but there is is this kind of like a guy who has probably never left his hometown and never questioned anything about it either and now that he has been you know kind of. I don't even say dethroned but he's been made uncomfortable. He's been made to question his surroundings especially being you know kind of the authorized by a black guy at that. I I think that it kind of makes him like wow what the fuck you know. Well does not like does no better sort of example to show that Dixon's growing and changing than the end end of this the same. Riley doesn't listen to his mum. I mean like we've been told buys multiple characters. That Dixon listened to his mom his Mama's boy but here it's not like I'm GonNa blow your fucking Goddamn head off his what he says right yeah yeah and then we get at the billboards being on file. This was Goddamn like I should have seen this coming year. I I didn't and the reveal of it was fantastic. This sequence is sorry. fucking sheltered like it looks beautiful but not only that like this is such a fantastic sane of like look at this desperate desperate desperate mother trying to save what is left of a symbolically her daughter and automated like this is like the memory of her daughter. That's banning up right now right now. That's I think that's a perfect way to put it. The Tarantino feel of this is the wide shot of her running to the bill dude that is Tarantino as fuck but but now I I absolutely loved the same because because she definitely saw this coming why the fuck you have a fire extinguisher in the car because that's the for I mean. I guess I mean some people. Do you know if your car catches fire fire you know under the hood but but now I want. She pulled up. She added fire. Extinguisher is like I knew at some point. I knew that somebody was going. I like Thai had a chain around this thing a rip it off. They were going to do something to this because something physical right as small a town as it is that I just knew it was was common you know but yeah that's a great point. The it's like man that's such a good point. You just makes it's like literally having to watch her daughter. Burn all over again yeah. Oh Man God there you go from a four mind-blowing. I've given you you can blow my mind I want to I mean that's that's. That's just make them but yeah this. This whole savings is fantastic. I again mcdonagh Dolman just crushes it when Robbie doesn't let go of the Fire Extinguisher and she just likes shots his name and she she runs into that allows one and she collapses in the middle of the fielder. It's it's it's it's beautiful. I love it defies out the billboards a smoldering and yet chafe Abercrombie comes over mildred dances you can ask me all the questions you want. If you take me down and arrest me revealing I guess yeah she's like because she shaved. She says that I'm going to fucking fucking retaliate basically right right yeah absolutely in which I think we can kind of see coming obviously like at this is beginning you. I know the high for an ion makes the whole world blind. It's coming to that but I especially love when she walks off in. What does he say. The lines like you know. Were not all bad or something like that. Yeah Yeah Pretty Darn. Lump us all in together. Yeah yeah exactly and that's like I think that's a huge message of this as well as as simple as it is is like I th I think that a movie that does a movie that does this kind of thing better. Is something like prisoners. There's just a little bit more of the Thriller Thriller Aspect and that for me and that's what I dig about this but it's a bit more hard hitting yeah and it's an unsolved crime. This is cutting like this isn't unsolved crime but we have a body. We know what happened to this person. You know so I do. I like the fact that you know. It's it's a it's a it's a cop who has been you know. All the cops have been at the at the I guess not always say the mercy of this woman but they've all been they've all been the target kind of bashing but you know for her talking talking about crips and bloods and lumping people together an all male should be you know donating blood and Blah Blah Blah you not to have somebody a police officer and be a person of color but I don't want us all in together like that. I loved that I thought that was such a good point to make because she is becoming very I mean I will minded yeah. That's what dictators do. They lump want people in together and say oh you have blue eyes. Whoa you're the superior as you have this. Well you go in the BOXCAR. It's like what the fuck man that's. That's fucking terrifying yeah when she drives past the news for the next day mildred calls from the car this time put an end to shit. You fucking retard. This is just the fucking start. So why don't you put down. Good Morning Missouri fucking wakeup broadcasts bitch. I know do that mouth full. I mean Jesus Christ but I love the fact that she cut. She's like maybe put an end to the odd saga of the three billboards outside. Hey fucking like she cuts her off before she says the title and it's like Oh. That's great man like it's like when you're watching like rogue one one and he's like what's the name of your ship rogue wine. Everyone's like Oh yeah. I love the fact that before I can even cut the line out. Here's this that's so great. Here's here's this typical moment mirror. We should be like Oh yeah. They're going to say the title of the movie and it's the dark humor that into you know cutting through that. I think it's fucking great. It's awesome okay so this way addiction funds out about Willoughby's letter for Rod Dixon. Dixon wants to go there right away but the desk Sergeant Austin if he can come when everyone goes home I can leave the case with playstation this y Dickson cry and playstation Dixon Jason rates his letter with the headphones on this this is where I believe that in the in the same previously with Dixon and his mom and him kind of Dang defiant to his mom I think that was a layup to to his one eighty ton but this kind of sales the Dale Reid Willoughby's sorta dying words here as Leda and Willoughby says he believed in him deep down. He's a decent man and he has got the makings of being a really good cup and of course we got mildred with the backpack. She looks fucking bat by the way like she looks like she can survive. Zombie outbreak right yes. She looks like she's about to hit the street to fuck in Venezuela with like a riot. I like Lovett jokes like something out of fucking rage against the machine video but I do love that. She calls the police station. I making sure that no one's inside God. Yes yeah yeah telephones away backpack. Oh ty will break a window looking out in the police station across the street starts ringing but Dixon still has his headphones on so I can't hear it Willoughby thinks Dixon his anger and he says as long as Dixon holds onto such that he's never going to become what willoughby knows. Dixon's wants was to become a detective but obviously one of the big things of the movie like like the head right yeah. Absolutely they're actually some really good video essays. I strongly urge anybody listening to this to check out about this about Hayden about love and you know there. There's there's there's some criticisms criticisms of this one. I didn't watch watch was like how not to is something like how not to talk about race in a film or something like that. I didn't get a chance to watch it actually really interesting because all we've been doing is fucking when you know you've been eaten ass and I've been seconded nick this movie the whole night and I'm I wanna hear are contrary opinions that and be like no this movie fucking socks you know not. I'm not talking about like how did this get made hilarious review. I would like to hear a genuine like constructive or negative criticism of it. You know because it's it is kind of hard for me to hit anything. You know. It's it's hard for me to find anything that's really. I don't know like not great other than a couple of scenes wouldn't really need here or there but I haven't really seen anything like that. Just lost me so I have seen some criticisms about. This movie noted that there are people out there who think that it should not have been nominated for as many Oscars as was. I'm wondering now if Daniels vouches come at might reflect that I'd like to say what Daniel thanks this movie. There are people out there who think that it's been a-rated I think must I think mostly criticism revolves around the character of Dixon. I think that a lot of people think and look I don't WanNa put put words in people's mouths but church. I think I think the consensus of about that among people who aren't really like this film is is that Dixon is a way to negative at the start way to of a way to capture Tara and and bay his turnaround happens way too quick and does it by points wave briars till ready in the podcast so no yeah that's that's totally fair. Yeah I mean yes. That's all the shit that I've kind of had issues with you know. It's nothing that just Dr- Dr- drastically takes me out of the movie but you know I. I don't know I can agree and disagree with some of those comments until you're pretty much telling everyone they're wrong right right. Yes it's cute very cute a lot of pan we all the fucking when she when she first rise up Molotov God. What did you think about this. Did you see any of this coming. No I did not fuck it right yeah. I I if there had been some previous indication of like a Molotov cocktail. She was making number something to the NIA but no I didn't see this coming at all once I once I saw him in there and I saw her. Go across the street. I I looked villains and I said she's GonNa do something in fucking get somebody killed when she was making the phone call. I knew that something was happening then but I didn't fucking Molotov cocktails. She met his shot shot him with fucking rocket launcher. Goddamn Yeah I. I was not expecting that at all. I was not expecting this. Kinda esscalation a near that like she was going to retaliate because because of the billboards brain damaged but I did not say this common talk about fucking steel resolved. Here's something what anything about Dixon not realizing until like the Fourth Molotov. The lighting would've ticked me off. I'd be like why why why Bronco I actually actually would have laughed my ass off if he were so dimwitted that at one point he just turned the flashlight off. He's got brighter here and just starts reading his letter by firelight I mean I. It's you know it's a little goofy. you know just that he's a oblivious to it but it is in the middle of night he has been you know. He is getting the last communication he'll ever get from his mentor kind of so. I I mean I can shave off a couple points right there and he. That's a little bit more believable. Oh I get it and emotional scene for him to show. You don't even need a gun and you definitely donate. Hey Hey never solved anything but calm did and thought did try it. Try just for a change. It's known will think you'll gay if they do arrested for homophobia. They be surprised but things are going to change for you. Damn that's when the lost Molotov hits and smashes through Dixon's window gets up and says they Angela Hayes fall about catching fire grabs it and pass it against himself gets the flames your fucking dirt the jump out the window and then the crawling dude. You'd that shit is wild. No yeah absolutely I think that and just just a quick thing. I really really love when he starts freaking out and he goes. I think calm and it's like wow that's great like literally taking the the words that you just read taking them too hard and not you know because it would have even so easy to just freak out right then that's so typical. Dixon and he's like you know that's what I'm saying. I don't mind him not paying attention to the fire because he so sucked into paying paying attention to the words that this person is. I guess writing him. You know whatever I mean 'cause. I didn't think as like oh whatever hills his legs will be on fire or something something like that but when they roll him over I was like ooh boy. Howdy that fucking bowl to face right yeah? I was like Jesus. I'M NOT GONNA lie. He kind of looks like a fucking bad asked later on though man like like that's cool it can like as a sort of looking at him with the burns on his face as like. Do I want a Sam Rockwell Mad ed Max. Do I want. I wanted it because like I don't know something about him. That turn is a little drastic but he becomes like an anti hero real he becomes U. S. man and through some revelations to the plot absolutely when we see James here helping Dixon and flowers I was like why is there a child helping him child a mullet mustache good sprints over and Bates out the flames with his hands and Claude aw Dixon's head hands and body badly charred and Milton's away from horrified and seize the cash fall line there and realizes what Dixon is done as a sarin's and blue light so the ambulance and firemen arrive now. Did you think she was going to take the case file. I totally thought she was going to grab it and run. I really did I initially I remember Emma did thinking that yeah but then I was like maybe she's somewhat in shock because she's she's thinking that there's no one in this police station and and we already know that she when when it comes to people when it comes to actual physical harm when she says that stuff then she's taken aback like like that Kinda gets so. I'm just like maybe she weren't boy. It's so easy to play sabotage in in this and that like kicking a couple of kids in the con- nuts. What's you know that's That's not so that one's not so bad but when you're setting fire to a building there somebody still in it like you. Can you feel the horror horror with her and unfortunately though I it's like you know. This is the risk you take. When you become this type of person and it's you know I know oh. You're intent was not to hurt anybody but you have to be held responsible for those actions like you you you have to be held responsible for the fact of why you didn't know there could have been. GonNa in a janitor and their mop in the fourth guy who didn't have anything to do with the story. You just don't fucking know and I. I think that you know you die hero. Are you in now. This is where she has become whereas Dickson has gone from the black way towards the white intern divide morality she's gone from the white and she's turning away more towards the black and now they're starting to meet in this little shade of grey. That's so great. It's so cool to see them. They're dial start actually getting turned on the same and levels so so good. It's funny reminds me a lot of the coal central plot of breaking bad on you haven't seen it heavy never for you. GotTa get on that. Shit but essentially the the stories of of of wall to watt and Jesse Pink men and hell they start from where they I in season one too when it ends and same five but like somewhere around the middle they kind of intertwine and they're the same spot. That's totally what this reminds me of but essentially Abercrombie questions James James protects mildred by saying that there were his place and the couple. Chaves uses the opportunity to mildred out. I'll go to dinner with you but I ain't GonNa fuck you. Fuck you neither a- guess what he sounds like to me. He sounds like is it. Topi the the guy from family guys like I know somebody didn't eat all these oriented. That's all I can think of when I was seeing him but I love a man. I love the fact that he will pull shark like fucking bad asset pool. I love playing pool. It's one of the sports like yeah. I'm like halfway not garbage pool so I'm like. Oh actually like playing a little bit pool. Sec- in the beginning I was like Oh wow Dixon's willed in by the hospital room in which welby in as well his his vices bandaged Cy Welby doesn't know it's Dixon this is at I saw like this is convenient but man this is such an affecting sane welby replays though sorry Caleb Landry giants pleases so well here as well be like well they asked him if he wants to gloss oranges and Dixon Saas just crying. They're saying thanks sorry throwing them out the window. Initially Welby is just taken aback but you know he's just like stop. Crying the salt and fuck up your wounds. The song was supposed to be good for but you know the white ends is just beautiful because Welby Paul's arduous and places it next to dixons his bed and this is Dixon. I like experiencing firsthand. What it looks like to give like this informs. His characters are well but yeah to talk to me about the standard no yeah. I think that you know if when we have this moment of and I think it's also key for for love God Peterson closest character. Never I never remember name James for James. To you know because obviously he's got a thing you know he's he's got a thing for her and and and he's you know he's covering for her and he's kind of one of the only friends that she has over the other than the woman. What's the woman that she works with the woman who gets the drug charges. I don't ever have name. Yes yeah yeah. I'll I'll find boy either or it's not super important like those those are really kind of like her only friends in this so they take her to jail and then. James is the one kind of covering for her. Dan Sorry Denise Okay Cool. You'd be but yeah. She's you you know James is kind of like covering for her and and we see the extent that like your friends are doing like a legal shit to cover this shit up you and then we cut over to Dixon. Who's in the hospital. Little who's I you know Willoughby's his only friend you never see him. Talk to anybody. You never see him interacting. He's at home with his mom or he's like drinking by himself and Dick Nick so to see him forced to be interacted with with this guy that you know you are the reason I'm in here like you're the reason why I mean dude. I mean God damn is it will be right will be well the welby man he's. I mean I knew he took a beating by like thaw aw he looks bad like and it justifies. His reaction is room up a second story window right yeah now. It's like come on. It'll be such a pussy about it. Do get over now but we we totally went pasta. The San of his body hitting the road was legit. I gotta go back and splashy kind of sound yeah but yet him being shown this act of life forgiveness. There's there's so many kind of mirrors and willoughby sending mildred the note being like hey listen. I'm not mad at you. You know I'm the one who funded the damn thing. I'm not sitting here telling you that this is a bad idea you know but I in the way that that Welby can forgive Dixon and the willaby can and forgive mildred. It's like you need to find time to forgive yourself because you feel so much guilt over what happened with your daughter obviously with that scene but also at the same time not forgive the person who did this to your kid. Because how could you ever do that but in time you know there. There are plenty of people who come out and they're like. I forgive you for doing this. You know ultimately ultimately. I have to in order for me to move on and and obviously this way far down the line. We're talking. This is only seven months away but at some point point you know I I think that like the cancer that's eating willoughby. He seeing the cancer of her grief. Eat Her alive and he's like you can't let that happen to you. Is that you have got got to. Maybe move on a little bit. You've got to be maybe. I'm not saying move on and forget your kid ever existed but you're now you're going. You're backpedaling. You're getting farther in farther into the grief and the trauma in the morning and stuff and you know perfectly fine at first but this is I don't think I don't think we'll be gives a shit that his name is is up there honestly at like maybe I but I think as time goes on he's like it doesn't even matter whose name is up there. The point is that you're the one doing this and it's ultimately affecting view the worst so I I think there's interesting interesting mirroring of the forgiveness kind of circle that's going on in the the ultimate of like I guess really well these the only only one who's like a fucking really nice guide into Shit but it's just nice kind of pattern of welby with Dixon and Willoughby with mildred and it's like Dan. That's that's fucking cool man. There's a lot of there's a lot of mirror image showing yes. Yes yes yes to put a very long winded explanation sure there's there's a lot of echoing. I'm a good summariser did yeah all right. Sir Jerome who assisted in putting the bulldogs up in the first place the the the African American dude comes to offer set of duplicate posters and yeah. She's takes them up on it. Milton putting up the poses James's holding mildred lattice steady and COPPELL's up denise gets out. She's out because has the job said the arrest report went out right you gotta deal pays accused fucking Dixon man. You know that does super thinking to Eh man drum comes to mildred to ask about the La- last poster with Willoughby's name on it because his dental one on he paid for it. I wasn't expecting that when she when they willed it out. I was expecting her to be like no. I WANNA put something different like not Chief Bob. La You know why. Why are you doing this like maybe instead of saying that saying Ebbing Missouri. How could you let this happen or something like that like I and maybe that's cheesy. It's just the first thing that popped into my head but I did. I think she was going to end up putting something else but when she went with it I was I. I guess that's really the only choice he did. Pay For it like you're not being everyone else thinks you're being disrespectful but the person Neta matter to the most who is dead and not here anymore is the is one of the only ones that that really matters and he's the one who paid for it. He wants you to do this a fucking do it man. It's too it. It makes the most sense you know. Yep Indeed I thought they I thought initially that she was. She wasn't going to put that up as well but yeah like what she he says. Although it sounds like a jerk you know why not he paid for it. He did yeah then we got a bit of a time jump right few makes lighter. Dixon's better and he's sitting at the bar truck pulls up outside and our God that we met earlier in the gift shop with mildred and a friend of his enter and sit down in the booth behind Dixon then you know this is kind of intercut with Milton James at Dinner Chalayan penelope enter impossible possum Chali smiling at the side of mildred with a dwarf mildred has a fleeting look of embarrassment which James and notices and mildred tells James who is my husband in nineteen nineteen year old girlfriend and do like I do like the James's like. Do you WANNA leave like he's being a gentleman about it like you know a deal residue and then Dixon again you know he's listening to this. on this story. It's basically the story about him raping raping this woman or young girl with his buddies and this. I'm not going to go into detail but you get the you get the gist of Iran. Let's let's talk about this entire sequence in in detail and then we'll move over to the restaurant stuff. I'M NOT GONNA keep into cutting sir. Let boss ain't I well and if I don't play this out. I'M GONNA forget not to jump right back to the bar scene the husband Charlie have you ever seen from dust. Hold on NA. No He is this just liquor store owner in from dusk till dawn and I guess he was doing like bit-part stuff in the nineties and stuff and then all of a sudden I saw him on like an actor's roundtable with supporting actor actors saying and as I go like for the Hollywood reporter as what the fuck okay cool that guy out of nowhere off but he's great yeah he does. He's kind of got this like. He looks looks like if Elvis had like an Elf stunt double like he's got this like squirmy little like man like but no I I love. This bar are seen this guy. I GUESS IF WE WANNA call him the rapist you know. I don't know what this guy's name is. The the this fucked up dude. He's just got such a weird look on a man. His inauspicious ripped in the script has just named as crop head a guy all right so crops. There's something there's somethin' captain so goofy looking about his lips and nose like he looks like a monkey like he looks like a little ape and I don't know what it is. It cracks me up about looking at this new but now this this this whole scene is great. I I I love because he he's practicing the things that he's learned. He's being calm. He's thinking he's being rational like if you were to get in an altercation with somebody it you know if if something were to happen if I think something's about to go down and I want to know. Oh who you are where you're from where I can find you later. He does the right move. He goes out there and he gets some. You know it would be the same thing as like if if he didn't want to leave and he went outside and Mike Yanked the spark plugs out of the truck without them knowing it's I I am I again. This is like a goddess. PODCAST is going so fucking long. I forgot about what I said earlier where he is cutting eating off the source of the problem. He's not going to cork up the pipe. He's going to cut off the water and that's what I did is. He's not going in there. A brute force and punching the shit out of these guys is which I do love that but there's been a lot of that in this movie he goes in smart and I need to know the information know who the hell these guys are now this is this is a great great seen especially again a he looks like a fucking total bad ass. I love it but the whole the whole magic trick thing and bubble Blah and the the the realization and the crop haircut guy's face when he's I as even sit behind us the whole time and it's like. Oh Fuck like that guy I have said some incriminating shit and I really really dig that because that's the Oh you guys kind of a smug little fucking when he looks over his I might have just really fucked up dude a really really fucked up. What did you think about this scene. Though I really dug the same this this thing felt out of old out of all of this one is the one that fell Tarintino to me like it was Kinda econolodge. This long protracted so dialogue saying and we're kind of building tension. We're building to something. That's what that's what that's the it felt inherently Tarantino to me. It's very like inglorious bastards bar scene yeah absolutely but at this point I was praying for this movie privy to tell me that this guy I didn't not want. There's got to be Angela Hayes. As murder like I was like plays for the love of God and let this random guy just randomly sit behind Dixon and it bay the killer. I want that place 'cause like when you're watching this movie. You'll like this. This is not the kind of movie to solve it for you at the end like you're not a main like you're not really expecting to be someone to be caught like this is not that kind of film like this is not that kind of movie where you find the killer of the end. I'd I'd. I really really didn't want that so ah the dicksons dixons approach here is fantastic like him acting more drunk than he's supposed to be sitting down into booth and I love the the crop head guys just like we'll go on. Shell subtract like he's. He's like his in on just like all right. I WANNA to say it but yeah the stuff with the fingernails the personnel Warsaw we got that immediately. She's like okay so he's GonNa. He's GonNa use that as evidence and I was like okay. I didn't really catch that but yeah. Linda did the same thing I was like. Oh yeah that's cool. I like that but then he gets the fuck and Shit Bait out of him right. I liked denise there as well and like you know she's like Oh. He's a cup and where's his badge. I lost my badge and what I really wanted. I thought it would have been hilarious if he's like. Where's your badge. She's like I lost my and then all of a sudden they like falls out of the like debris shirt pocket. He's like Oh there. It is the really dark this guy spitting his teeth out my badge but that loss kick that he says man who that yes on that one. You'll say that you'll gone right. It's your brain hemorrhage. It's really hard to watch. Somebody get like fucking. NFL punched in the face. You know what I mean. ooh. That's hard to watch man. I I watched a video today of it was a brain and it was like a model over brain inside the skull of what your brain does when you just get a concussion. It's like watching Rangers wiggle back and forth and Omayyad to get kicked in the face that fucking hard cheese S. H. Christ bounces around there yeah but anyway man yeah. I really dug this saying. This was a fantastic. It felt like a climax like a climactic sequence that I was like really grateful for it to have a yeah well. You know what what did you think about that that whole point about this guy potentially being thorough killer. US Angels Kill. Did you want the film to give you an answer. I think there's a way to compromise. I think like what I said earlier. This the guy is missing and stuff. That's way too specific and I'll totally but it it is not uncommon in wartime for I mean what we find out about him. I mean that that is not uncommon to happen as fucked up as it is that is not uncommon for people to go into another country and violate their women and set them on fire and plug a case file. I said no no no no listen to what number case it is but the Casbah podcast. It's called the Janabi family call. Yes yes yes. Yes whack yeah that's I mean. That's Kinda exactly what I'm getting at. You know these four or five guys so I I think it can go either way but what I wish had happened. was maybe baby. He wasn't the one that's why the. DNA doesn't get any hits but he's talking about yeah the guys I think they got off and just watching if this guy is just lying about it and he's like now. I am just one of the guys to watch it. I didn't have the just wanted to tough like I was tough guy who raped his chicken set her on fire and like I I. I wish that maybe if there were like a a little bit compromise there I don't WanNa see like some law-abiding citizen thing where they go out and find him in Idaho and strapping to achieve off or something but I I don't know I think think that it's too much of a coincidence and it's too much of a happy ending to walk in and say yet. That's lucky us. It's like now. I think that I think that they're I I. I think that if there is a way they're like listen. We got a partial match. It's not enough to put away and he could still not be the guy we don't know. Blah Blah Blah. If there was something not see we have the ambiguous ambiguity of Dixon's assault. We have the ambiguity of what happens. At the end. we have the ambiguity of whether are you know really driving where their kids in the car you know. I I wouldn't mind a little bit more end at a little and some more answers. No I was an ambiguity. Sorry I fucking my word. I couldn't say oh I wouldn't even mind a little bit more right there for them to say like we don't know it could be. It could not be him The guy doesn't have any prior's but that doesn't mean anything but delays and every ball. There's some kind of compromise in the middle there that if I had more time I'm sure I could sit here spit out but I didn't hate hate it. I didn't love it it. As much as I hate to admit it in in the real world it makes the most sense you know yeah so back at the restaurant James Go said toilet. Jolla comes over to say they could've double dated mildred sauce to explain herself while she hasn't watched having dinner with midget. Jolly says she doesn't have to jams. TMZ comes back and says he's taken it safe. Charles has sorry for putting builds on file boom. New Milton just says it him right continues Tinubu anger penalties penelope says to him anger begets Greta Anger James Asif Penelope L. A. P. Says said begets yeah. I laugh my ass off and and what did you think about the reveal that it's actually Charlie who set set them on fire. I liked it didn't really occur to me at all like I couldn't think of a motive right. I couldn't think of a motive like if anything I thought it was going to be Dixon. But of course it will yeah. What did you think you loved it yeah. I thought it was fantastic. I think it's one of the and is so unexpected and because you know what we have done. We have said you know what that's pretty fucked up for her to do that to Dixon. We don't feel bad about that. Shit you. Through Kanada window you beat up a black eye burn down these fucking billboards and then when it comes back one out of three is not correct and he ended up saving the fucking file of the woman's daughter that earned his face and it's like Holy Shit and that's another thing like yeah. He birdied billboards. You'RE GONNA burn down the you know the police station and you almost killed him the same way that your daughter died and it's a Guy Dan the irony in add as I fuck man Yeah Cyclical Metro that Shit Yes yes. Yes call nine to calm down and that's I mean I love that. That's a perfect the cyclical nature as a yes. That's perfect exactly like when I was looking for. Mildred wants to go home says they can do dinner. Another time and James doesn't want it because she has embraced the whole time being midget. He knows who the hell is she. She's that billboard lady who never ever smiles who never has a good way to say about anybody and who in the evening time sets by two fucking police stations the the look on his face when you force me to. He's and he's looking at her just like I forced you to me so I asked you like Oh. The hurt and his is how is incredible yeah and Hayes the one who's not a catch James Laser saying I didn't. I didn't have to come and hold your letter man. I felt that but you know tame like the way he spits that. I'm just like Dude Yeah. You really do need. All the letter did did that makes me. It makes me laugh though I don't know what it is about. I didn't have to come and hold your ladder. Yeah I mean like in the scale of things it feels tiny but to him mm-hmm it feels it's it's the biggest thing on the planet right like right. It's all about perspective one bottle and slowly walks avenue Charlie's table looking like she's about to make a sane asked him if she really told him. Anga begets anger or not she says she did she read it from a book about polio. No Polo what's the one with the hoses mildred looks at them for a moment and places the bottle on the table for them finish and what did she say to to Charlie Rod. She says darn her right. Yeah basically saying don't do to her. What you did to me which I do. I do love. She's like I read it on a bookmark. In our book I was reading that she sir innocent unlike the way like did she smiles after mildred puts down the one involuntary under like she's she's. She's she's got no idea what's what's coming right right right and then of course we got. Dixon Colin back to his Mama's house. This is all breaking there. Just the way stumbled Zan but his mum's reaction just so she's good. She's great man yeah. She's fantastic. She's like my boy. My boy dixon managers describe the skin under under the fingernails into a evidence troop and writes down the number plight right. I didn't didn't think about that like like I was like. Oh Shit. He memorize an implied this whole time. It's awesome oil and him being because I mean he is. I know he semi faking drunk but I mean pound back a couple of shots. Shrink a couple of beers and then you go and get your fucking face kicked in dude like for him to to John. All that like when he was writing the shit down on my oh fuck is he dying like is he bit like what the fuck happened him but I was like. Oh I what I what I assumed was that he's going to pass out in the bathroom. She'll call the police. The ambulance will show up and he'll have the vial with him at the hospital. Hey somebody needs to take this dude. That's so fucking signed sealed delivered. You know he's like I've got it right here. Take the fucking evidence to run swing set Dixon with Bainian hand repaid of willoughby and his hat from lung from from the start of the movie fucking echoes Rod Right Dixon tells her about the guy that doesn't want to get our hopes up your minds. We've endgame don't do it. Don't give me hope all my God yeah. We're going to bring some into this because it's us right you gotTA. DNA and the cops checking it as speak. He had them talking about something that doc did to a girl in the middle of last year sound like what happened to Angelo. All they can do is hope in the burnout. Also I love this. This office is just just black and they're just sitting in it. Holy Fuck. I did not even catch that God. That's ridiculous what yeah because initially house like why is the lighting off in here and I was like no. This is a burnt-out police station yeah the chief. The chief just hit a goth phase. He never came Outta the man but essentially let's Dixon are no match match any other crimes of this nature to any crimes at all in effect and his record is clean but essentially yeah he kind of well makes Dixon play a guessing game as to who wary where it was deployed deployed somewhere sandy right so like I'm assuming I mean this. Guy's probably just like regular army I I. I didn't know it was Kinda. Viable is he saying that this ESPECI- Alaba or he's like maybe not not like a bad ass but like this dude was in a very secret place like he was just deployed. He could say he was as an army. He got deployed. It's like no. This guy was in a classified place. It's like okay. He sounds like a little bit more important that it's not a huge thing but I just didn't know if you picked up on that at all. No I didn't actually didn't like. I didn't think that AVAK Romney was caving selling from him. Maybe he was just trying to make guess fuck me. I'm just Dick and says he might not be that guy but he's still done something shitty right right right any surrendered his badge because he found it and then they call us in our closing moments. Dixon colds mildred mildred back the billboards. He tells her that it's not they got right and I love love mildred reaction here just the way she's kind of like hitting himself and you can hear the Firon Dixon says I'm sorry I got your hopes types up. It's all right les Saturday which is more than my had for a while and then Dixon tells tells her about the ripest rot oddly top taps shotgun gone against his lips derecognise himself. I don't know I think I don't think so I think he's just picking up the gun and he's like man I did. I took that beating for nothing. I feel like I need to go out there not for nothing. I mean it's for us. It's over. It's it's very that's very Christ like I. I mean it is it's not even just like the sacrificial. I mean I m iron man's now. Whatever like you taking the beating of your fucking wife after you've already had had half the beating of your fucking light taking this beating and ultimately you don't know if the outcome will be good or bad but it's the fact that you took the risk. Can you assume the responsibility is what makes you a hero. May maybe maybe an anti hero. Maybe a little bit of a you know somewhere in the middle but but I just I just absolutely love that so I think when he picks up the shotgun. I think he's just sitting there thinking. I think he's like you know what I might not be a cop anymore but I still got a gun. He's he's again a com- on thinking in all my thoughts have led me to this. Yeah I think I never I never thought that he was actually. Lee seriously going to kill himself but I think Martin mcdonagh kind of like pulls a false one here. I think he kind of like wanted us to initially consider data that because it's like if we're going by the cyclical natural of cyclical nature of this movie then Dixon kills himself like willoughby killed himself but instead Dixon decides to reach out to mildred to offer some condolences paypal. It's cute but yeah that's funny drive in Idaho in the morning. Once company sure next day they head out you can all chummy. Hey Dixon yeah. I need to tell you something down the playstation well who the hell's who the hell else would it have been Oh. That's so great so fucking good gang great right because it's like yeah who else would it be. You know you know like wh why why would it be somebody else. I think that's what's so fantastic about. It is like once you stop and really think about it. It's like yeah yeah. WHO WOULD IT BE. You know he's it shows you that Dixon. Maybe is not even really that dumb. He started to use a little bit common sense. You Know Yeah Yeah Oh this entire ordeal has just kind of unlock something again him and he's just kind of using his intelligence now. He's got like weird like six cents but my I love this exchange orange the end so mildred Dixon if shore about killing this guy and he says not really mildred says NATO and she says I guess we can decide along the way right to shell. Do you let me ask you this thing. They kill him not same same here I don. I think it ruins the entire message this movie if they show up to this guy's door blast both barrels that Edmund Take off and that's that's that's so amateur sure in juvenile and like immature just Adenaur maybe unlike punisher or like death wish or something but now I don't. I don't think in this movie yeah not not. It's not really what the going for here plus. I think I mean even if this does fully confess like let's say Durban's down that door and this confesses. I think I think these two here amount and they'll be some fucking violence for show but they wouldn't kill him at. I think right I the thing that I was wondering about was look what has happened so far. She has made a mistake once of judging somebody often assumption in like I mean like yes. The guy has had had some crazy story that Dixon's overheard but it's still just a story and it's the same thing of like. She was just so certain that Dixon was the one who set the billboards boards on fire and look what happened. You almost killed that guy. Could you live with yourself if you win even farther with look more if I chose when she lit Dixon on fire now imagine you just you just blew some guy's head off who was completely innocent right right like it's like now I just I don't think so and I don't even really like the fact that it's left ambiguous because it's like I. I don't know teaches own but it really wanted to completely like the answer was no yeah because I I don't no. I just think it hits a point where it's like this is enough. Man Like enough is enough and I'm not I'm okay and I'm not okay with knowing what happened to her daughter water but I'm the point is we crossed that bridge. We know that that that that case will probably not be solved. Unfortunately that's a very common thing. It happens all the time it is fucked up and that's just not right but that is the world that we live in but I I need her to be the one to make the choice to be like no like end Dickson. You know he's had his moment of redemption. This is her moment of redemption. This is her letting go and saying no. We can't Dan do this. Blah Blah Blah and I guess the ambiguous ending leaves it to where you don't have to have like that. You don't have to have that last scene of calm of closure of Oh. I'm just so great now and I don't need to do this anymore but I think it'd be great if she just turned the car off and she's like we don't need to do this and the inning. I would love that the ending scene were just her tearing down the billboards boards and be like now. I don't need this anymore like whoever he is. You know if something I've I've grown. I put these billboards up. I've watched the chief of police blow his brains out they. Ah Billboards been burned down. I burn down the I burn down the fucking mouse police station. I think drawn enough attention to this case hopefully something will oh come of it because ultimately that was her that was her goal or goal was to draw attention to this and get the police to act and that's what's happened now and I think her character has she has achieved her goals and I think for her to go and murder somebody that she doesn't know who one hundred percent did it. They definitely didn't definitely didn't murder her daughter and they might not even really done what they said they did. I think for her to go back and even murder him is totally out of out of line with that character in that or and and at the same time I think her letting that go is like you know what I I just. It's not I can't spend my whole life wanted to go around murdering people and lumping them all in the same category ory you know I I think it's her breaking away from the lumping all these people in his age category saying you know what your rapist kill you because anyway pistol do it's like now. That's is not now. That's I just just now and I think like you know I it goes especially for the Dixon because that means that the lesson that Willoughby told his dying words means nothing right like through love comes common through come comes thought and you're nate thought to detect stop sometimes like like doc that message that Willoughby's trying to get across the doesn't really correlate to Dixon having a hand in the murder of a person who a could have been just bragging about something he didn't do and be There's no evidence to link him to ascribe right right yeah exactly and I think that the whole message of of love which we haven't really talked about a lot is going to briefly because I'm not really a fan of you know I. It just made me think of interstellar in yeah. It's it's talks is a fifth dimension but but now the whole graph O'Connor it's okay the thing of the thing of of love. I think that in a way in a weird way she she loves Dixon and in the way of like you did that for me. You did that for my daughter. You let yourself you let that happen to you for for for my kid to solve this and here. I was trying to almost kill you. It's like wow that I think that that's more so of the lesson for Dixon. It's a listen. It's a lesson for her. You know if you could forgive the enemy of somebody like VAT. Wow that's a huge growing up moment you know Yeah Yeah Yeah and you know throw the movie like this. No we darn say mildred. Take any steps to move pastas like we bought this up. Alia Shays so adamant in his stance that she's he's going to get justice right like there's no you know Oh. I'm saying it's I call us for the death of my daughter or any steps taken to move on so I hope that like she's a fictional character but I hope that like she eventually finds some pace by moving on so yeah there you go man. That's that's a movie. That's that's podcast was not expecting this long towards the last time now back to good thing so. I do have a question from denny fell right okay he says by the way he says he hasn't seen this movie full disclosure but the questions caught a related you can touch on the trend of Oscar Bank movies that are made now in the year this one I don't I think any of the nominees made their production budget back in the office at the box office before being nominated in response to this trend had the Oscars credited category for popular movies. Do you think the Academy of Motion Pictures becoming out of touch with general inches of these types of movies not being marketed correctly or audiences more interested in escapism and turbulent times house we live in. You know what that's a good question because this movie in particular I've seen like lesser than the other reasons that I mentioned Elia Leah. One of the reasons people don't like it because it's kind of Oscar Bait. That's the argument and it's Oscar Bite. I dont think it is I think it's fantastic story with great it is and fantastic message behind it with Grad acting and fantasy production in but whatever you want to boil it down Oscar by then fine I think I don't think that the academy is becoming out of touch generalises. I think the fact act they had movies like Black Panther nominated for best picture like that that is saying something and I know that that was a big cultural movement behind that movie being nominated for best picture but like at the same time like it's it's they are kind of hearing people like the hearing the popular opinion that's out there. I think all of the movies that would nominated loss. She and in two thousand seventeen deserve to be nominated do I reckon grain book should have one last year probably not but it was a fantastic movie so Daniel I. I can't really answer this question in detail right now because we're going on Sarpong dot com to me. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I've never watch the Oscars yeah. It's it's not something I really enjoy cool. Somebody wanted award. you know whatever. Doi I think that there is a trend of the kind of movies that are coming back that one might consider Oscar Bait. You know night crawler or something something like Zodiac or prisoners or this. They're these movies that I think are kind of causing a moral kind of argument for something the tapping and I think that I think that's a great thing now. I don't WanNa talk out of turn because again never watched the Oscars you know I I've never really gotten into. I can touch touch on like Do is the Academy of Motion Pictures Coming. Out of touch with general audiences with the general audience. Maybe I I yeah I don't know but I do think that you know is the general audience you know did the did the general audience love in game. Probably Yeah I pretty I sure the score through through the roof. Does that mean it's going to get an Oscar. No and I think that usually when something wins an Oscar. It's something that has a little bit more dying l. Well like something with a little a little bit more artistic merit. I would say that three billboards of has a little bit more artistic merit than Endgame Endgame Endgame still a great movie. It's wonderfully shot but that is not that doesn't have like you said the staying power the depth the timeless kind of feel to it you know or or something and maybe that's not exactly what he's talking about. I don't want to speak out of term and you know actually. I'm just going to call him. Real quick and get him on the line. I'm just getting but I do agree with. Audiences are more interested in escapism because that's me I'm always more interested in escapism and stuff like that. I I like movies like this and I like stuff like nightcrawlers. Oh dear prisoners as a great but when I come home I wanNA watch fucking aliens. You know I wanNA watch stranger things things. I WanNa Watch something that I see this and I love it and it was star wars related things like my heart belongs in a in a place far far away and I've always fucking the thought that the White Star Wars or something. It's always nice to zone out of where you are and I love the escapism of stuff. There's actually a Aban Ban Eminem song name kind of thing we were working on a one point was the had to do with like escapism and getting out of you know drawing yourself a door and you using that door to to get out of wherever you're at and I've just I've always been a big fan of that. You know there's been some times where I was real down in the dumps you know fucking broke his shit and living on a friends couch but I had a book and I'm sitting there reading that book playing that video game and I could have the time in my life and not have to think about the bullshit that has gone Ryan Russell love transported somewhere else right. That's why I love listening to podcasts and doing podcast because hey you know I'm not worried about the fact that it's almost two o'clock good morning. I'm happy that we have have this. You know we're back in the saddle again and we did this awesome long episode. I don't mind the episodes being longer. I know this is running long. I don't even mind this being long because you know we don't do ooh them as often anymore to be completely honest like with only coming out every couple of weeks you know. I'm fine with longer episodes my throat a source fuck. I need some coffee but but other than that it's this has been a really fun episode. I think that's an amazing question from Daniel next time. We need to do that in the beginning senior yeah. I'm sorry I'm sorry Daniel that we didn't get to I guess Anzio question in most substantial data but what I would love is to take that chunk of his question. Put that in the after party and ask the other fuck. What are you guys thing. I must say I I think this movie is a good solid. You know I pretty much said I don't really need Nicole thing thoughts. I've said everything I really need to say great story of redemption and learning to forgive and learning to forgive yourself and knowing when to stop because you know so it's kind of I I don't know it's Kinda like doing anything like combing your hair your combing your hair and you're trying to look but then you're just doing it too much. You're ripping your fucking hero and you're hurting in yourself. It's like at some point. You need to stop what you're doing because it's only hurting yourself now and I think that this movie is a prime example of that. It's a great story. Story of redemption is a great story of Anti Heroes in Ankara Gerard's couple things that would take out a bit but for the most part I would say probably like eight and a half or nine out of ten. I think this is a really it's shot well. It's got a great story. It kinda kept me guessing why what was happening and the twist you know revelation of him of the chief shooting himself of you've Dixon being the one to get the DNA of Charlie being the one to the burn down the billboards what the fuck man so it kept me guessing in there was only a few things is that I really called earlier on this thing. This movie does not remind me of anything else. That's that's fucking. Major Brownie points yeah right. It's very very unique so I'm gonNA say like an eight and a half nine out of ten absolutely i. There is nothing in that in that little spiel that you're just disagree with. I'm I'M GONNA. I'm GONNA take that and run with it because this is an absolutely outstanding film great story with Great Matic storytelling the the lesson that was supposed to take away from this. Just you know ultimately. This is a story but it's got a positive message right. It's like it's got positive messages in it. The balance between drama and comedy is outstanding and it's really Coen brothers esque like it reminded automated fog so like dromedaries so I'm really proud of that. Mon mcdonagh just again really really really brilliantly. I'll put this together man. I think the MVP is Frances mcdormand. I don't think this film works without her. I think if you plug luggage actress into this it might not be as from but this she's she's not that far front of fucking Sam Rockwell Dude like he just earns Israel so I like both of the Oscars. Here are just absolutely well deserved. I will absolutely watch film again. It was not a chore to watch this for the PODCASTS. I remember like I said earlier. When I wanted to choose a film that had some dramatic heft to it. This came to mind immediately because for me said like it's so unique and it just kinda sticks out like it's like a diamond in the rough yeah really glad to have his podcast really to cover this movie during this cost and really glad to a fucking God in depth about it I league also love that way. Kinda running a bit. I've along because like you said we're not doing this. As often as we are the upcoming attractions episodes on every every wake you're on biweekly but the coming attractions episodes then not long enough the main the not dramatically will dive into the themes like we do on Sundays episodes. I really fucking Cathartic. Yeah yeah absolutely so are you now. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say we we like look down on noses and act like with Motte but when I did not believe this one out Robert Brook in the after party saying that he loved this movie have me Rose Dell's rate from tears to laughing at times. I'm a Sucker for a redemption story and I hated him. Rocco's character in the beginning but I think he saved himself. think that's perfect. I totally agree with that. Thanks for joining Robert I haven't seen him comment before. So you know what I'm GonNa do right here. I really appreciate anybody era. He just Oh yeah yeah. He's a nice happy birthday man but if you got anything else do you WANNA. I'll put some social we can be out of the fuck out hit it yeah eh guys really thank you so much for listening. Thanks for all the people at commented annual had a great question. I'd love to see that kind of explored more in the after party. I think that's got some some really cool corners to that question that I'd love to tackle more depth but if you guys want to join that community comment get your comments read on Air. Maybe get a hold of that conversation. Sink your teeth into it and join us with a you can find us on facebook and midnight double feature. You can find the group attached. 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Weekend: Robert Pattinson; HBO's 'Watchmen'; 'Jojo Rabbit' Dir. Taika Waititi; Morrissey's politics and more

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Weekend: Robert Pattinson; HBO's 'Watchmen'; 'Jojo Rabbit' Dir. Taika Waititi; Morrissey's politics and more

"PODCASTING supported by Fox searchlight presenting Joe Joe Rabbit an antiwar satire directed by tyco YTD starring Scarlett Johansson Sam Rockwell Thomas in me Henze rebel Wilson Stephen Merchant Alfie Allen now playing in select feeders for the last couple of years I've been trying to sort out you want to see patents and now you can catch him in the lighthouse but be warned hardly a superhero film and definitely unlike the twilight movies that made got me thinking about the relationship between actors playing those characters that there's the dynamic in the story and there's the dynamic of how people approach acting and they may be Pattinson a worldwide heartthrob the lighthouse is a black and white surreal drama it's from filmmaker Robert Eggers made the witch it starts Pattinson and Williams it's the wild west working against you could also argue in some ways it's like two astronauts in space traveling to Mars they can't leave right back podcasting supported by Fox searchlight presenting Joe Joe Rabbit an anti-war welcome to the frame weekend I'm John Horn on this show we talked with creative people about how and why Komo mushrooms and it would be bored all that and actor Robert Pattinson on the frame weekend from the Mon Broadcast Center. KPCC I'm John Horn satire directed by Taito white T T and starring Scarlett Johansson Sam Rockwell Thomasson Mackenzie rebel Wilson Stephen Merchant and Alfie Allen now playing in select feeders nations on this station that he is the boss and he gets to go places that your character doesn't he has more experience he has more knowledge and he's very possessive of those things and they do what they do and about how their art is impacted by the wider world a little later on this show how Director Funds Gomez Ray hone got his movie out a bit proper like this time and you'll be swatted ten times more after that the conceit of the movie is that your character and William Depose character have different folks they're stuck on a remote New England island in the eighteen ninety s they play lighthouse keepers and there's nobody around to help them it used to be two guys in a lighthouse he won't apologize for the Nazis in his film Joe Joe Rabbit of I wanted to pleased every single piston this film it would not be this film and it would not be doc I feel like he just I mean he just has a lot of control over his technique whereas I don't know I feel like I'm really dissect from the clutches of Harvey Weinstein and into theaters are going to start today with an actor his name is Robert Pans on he was in the twilight movies and and they used to always kill each other this ended up being three I mean who I'm playing in is someone who's kind of essentially on the run and it's light of seeing that he's going to play the next Batman makes me feel free in a way I've never know the move is not out for a couple of years twenty twenty one back because of the singer's embrace of white nationalist should it just be about what he sees a batted in what he talks about like I it's painful and tyco their stock exactly yeah and four weeks suddenly seems like five years which is kind of one of the one of the parts movie acquaintance England's all fancy housekeeper very different I mean the good thing about only having two people in something that makes it a lot easier I mean I'm trying to think man will really approach stuff that different anyway I feel like do the physical traits of the character start to reveal itself I had a little tape of some lobster fisherman from Maine and there's something about Kinda looking for somebody who's just doing something very original basically and the which was strikingly original and then I wanted to other about named Donald Penn on what I'd done because I tell you I scrubbed his here place twice old say you did nothing with us sort and I say you're swab and again skew about watching the witch and about seeing that film and about what you took away from robbers first feature sort of changes your facial expressions and then it starts to kind of control your body a little bit it feels very natural for you and it really was and it's kind of rolling the dice a lot like I'll try and get my body to feel it have been hopefully something comes out afterwards whereas I think William can really have the never ending but there was a time where so in certain what was going to happen today the filmmaker talks Morris at the Hollywood bowl tonight but some fans are staying away what's timber want we'll be Nowitzki smoking are living like any started instead of shoved into the into the script I was reading it and then suddenly something clicked I mean he suddenly realized because of the way your mouth has to form a syllable it uh this little areas of Maine which kind of have pockets of an accent which kind of sounds I mean it doesn't sound like you're in America at all I thought that was you more about that idea about finding a character through dialogue is it something that you find organically and once you figure out the dialect Yes for years about medieval epic which he was going to do about a night and the budge ended up a massive kind of never got together thank you yeah but I thought that maybe that's kind of genius to do it again but then that kind of didn't come together then this came up and Benue end up I mean some of the stuff I was doing to kind of get into it and the lighthouse was just I mean I'm really on the cusp of unprofessional awesome someone kind of almost like an English west country accent or something and it's just survived complete tact doesn't change for hundreds of years and then we kind of went through doing Nas Farrah too I was sort of into it but I thought it was a little bit close to home play but then I tell them that done that very adrenaline scenes as well but there's something about how difficult the accent is to stay in it that informed the character as well because it's Kinda you could slip into some plan and stick to it as well chief what he's he's trying to achieve Raza I'm kind of a not entirely sure what magical island kind of and one of the first conversation I had with rob I just awesome wet how he'd come up with the story and he was just saying I I you just a couple of syllable sounds which then just sort of tickled me a little bit and I tried I thought there's always an appeals to me about very very specific colloquial dialect the movies do I think I think the best thing you're listening to the frame weekend John Horn if you wake up and you can kind of thing I had that dream because of this memory and this thing happened been sometimes we have a dream when you wake up and you're like wed dot com else so easily and then kind of I like the idea of just someone who so uncomfortable with his own reality that you would try to twist out the game of thrones is gone but HBO might be dominating Sunday Nights again this time with a series called watchman it feels like what's the Olympic sport when you're doing tumbling what is gymnastics yeah when you when you literally just have kind of the the mats and you're just flipping nineteen twenty one tulsa race massacre that takes place in a business district of Tofa called Greenway this is an event that actually is the culture critic for the undefeated and she's been writing about the show Hey Seraya John so the HBO watchmen is set in Tulsa Oklahoma. No idea I do it just get something happened because it's so bizarre I mean in so many ways it's kind of like when you had a dream and especially when you've prepared correctly Robert thanks so much for coming in Robert Pattinson is in the lighthouse opposite Willem Defoe it's in select theaters now bribing is somebody who is not really understanding who he is and what he's doing yeah and I remember Austin Rob Lowe saying this happening in his mind is this is it continuously go self every which way terms of how you would prepare for a scene or how you would actually yes it will do them and it was I guess because a lot of vary and how would you describe this faction you get from performing this different facets of it I love I love that place in American history in real life not just in this sort of Superhero universe and it was this massive act of racial terrorism a white mob chased black protesters in choose agree with neighborhood in nineteen twenty one at the end of May the white mob that confronts the protesters armed as many as three hundred black people are murdered their businesses or burnt in unlike the graphic novel or the two thousand nine movie why is that an important choice it's set in total Oklahoma because of the the piano long to silent films this is what he's doing when this math or starts to take place and his mother so there are things where you can say I didn't know that and maybe there's a little hint of something and find out what it is these things are in further detail sir the free full aspect of when you're actually performing it's kind of you can do all this but then and there's a young African American boy who's watching a silent film justice city Glenn is created by Damon Lindelof you might know him from lost in the leftovers and it's based on a graphic novel set in New York in one thousand nine hundred eighty s Seraya Nadia McDonald ordering and it's an important thing to in terms of the opening scene I think we see in watchmen where we're inside a movie theater people to identify sort of a little nudge wink toward them but they're also meant to inspire curiosity he's expecting their curiosity up on that idea the country in the series is run by President Robert Redford yes that Robert Redford and the president's treasury secretary it's kind of you just have to hope you can either stick your landing or go flying yeah and and there's something very exhilarating about that Donald about the HBO series watchmen so Alan Moore's graphic novel played a lot with alternative history and the series in many ways picks aside from impeachment testimony in Washington and fires raging in California this series seems to be the thing that everybody is talking about this week the whole time it's some kind of you sit become kind of Houdini kind of thing I mean that sounds like in some ways a difficult idea to play because what you're from dream causes you to question everything about your existence let me ask this last question what do you enjoy about acting and taken something from comic culture and Superhero Film Culture which is this idea Easter eggs which are these things that are meant I order hardcore fans Terry is Henry Louis Gates junior but what does that alternative history give the creators of watchmen in terms of exploring contemporary floor exercise fluids happening around yeah and it kind of feels like if you can you can do the run up but once you're flipping is introduced as this woman who owns a bakery she's doing a demonstration for the middle class and ask she's doing this when the children in the class we'll be peaked and maybe they'll do some googling learning about the history that he's decided to center in this series we're talking but Seraya Naughty by day is the owner of this bakery that turns out to be a cover job for her because she is a member of the secret police of tolls and white supremacist violence and three years earlier nearly the entire Tulsa police force is wiped out when the boys watching is bass reeves who the first black deputy US Marshal West of the Mississippi and he's arresting a white sheriff and he's a real person so issues especially those focused really narrowly on race present Redford his past and act that offers compensation for victims of racial let's talk about what's on screen and what happens after that this chaos erupted in greenway and there's this little belay sitting in a movie theater his mother played should not parents realize they might not necessarily be able to save all three of them that they can at least see him go violence because of this there are a lot of white people in Tulsa around the country who are put out by this I connect to a an apart is just how a car to speaks and then everything kind of comes out of that we're talking with Robert Pattinson about his film the Lighthouse I WanNa yeah I think the thing that is really wonderful about this show and a bout Damon Lindelof approach to it is that he has they hide him away that he can get to safety and if you look closely the silence troll point of reference have a conversation about something that really has been I would say suppressed from sort of the larger common story of American history you know I mean just this week we're having this huge conversation about lynching and what that means because the now it's really a horrific more than ten thousand black people were left homeless about forty blocks of this neighborhood were left in common with the Ku Klux Klan. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people who watch watchman may have no knowledge about the Tulsa race massacre and it really challenging viewer in terms of making them think critically about who is shaping history that we know all of these police officers are murdered in their homes they members of the White Supremacist Group called the Seventh Cavalry which obviously has a lot history of lynching actually is in America. That's why I said that including something like the Tulsa mouse occur in watchmen taken asks her basically did you get the money to start your business from red predations and this is not set in a nice way and it turns out that Regina Welcome back to the frame weekend I'm John Horn Halloween is right around the corner target has all its candy on sale thanks so much for coming on the show Seraya Nadia McDonald is the coach critic for the undefeated should be writing a weekly newsletter about HBO's it gets fantastical that planes were dropping firebombs but it's all true and I'm wondering when you think about the impact that a work of fiction the things that happened in American history that haven't necessarily been widely discussed and not only discussing the weekend Shen can have on a contemporary audience how do you think shows like this can open our eyes not only to our history but also are present I think they can basically gone undercover and who now were masks whenever they're on duty because so much of their job is concerned with citing achieve I've just tried I I yeah I'm just I'm just kind of hoping something happens and throwing us off just jumping off a cliff basically I want to back up and ask be tremendously important when you have a show that as magnetic as watchmen is and you know you could just sort of book at Social Media also makes original content like creepshow generation from the creepshow or what was your entertainment diet when you were young yeah well I grew up basically in the woods in the allegheny mountains next to national forest land in rural Pennsylvania so there's not a lot to do out there so it was a lot of I read a lot of books I was reading like Stephen King Dean Kootz Oh is Roxanne Benjamin who's like a kid in a candy store when she went to Nicotera studio you know he's got all of this great stuff around and that's just decades and decades this form of reparations basically they refer to them as red for dacians you know in the first episode you'll see when Regina kings character the president tweets that he is the subject of a lynching and then you sort of have like this mass education that takes place online of what fair amount of blood and guts those are courtesy of makeup wizard Greg Nicotera who worked on the walking dead and he runs a series among the directors of creepshow it's worth and his whole team I mean there's you know between all of them like a century's worth of experience in in doing this kind of stuff through grow watching shows like ten pm Sunday night after the first episode aired and everyone is basically a gas and so that means we have sort of German episode to Air Sunday night coming up par Morris's political leanings alienating a big part of his fan base that's coming up next on the free does that mean you're more inclined to certain kinds of stories I mean if you're you're paint a picture I'm picturing your house and things that go bump in the night it sounds like it could be we're talking with Rector Roxanne Benjamin there's a moment in your creep show episode where there's a glass object that gets wedged in with the soundscape and with building that sense of tension through music through score through silence and when to break that silence so much of it has to do with movies and you worked on southbound another anthology series what do those kinds of stories give you that maybe a feature aunts and books like that and all of the EC comics when I was six seven years old because they were the only things that were in the house is it's also what my my mother read Streaming Service Shudder this is the frame weekend tonight Morrissey the former frontman for the band in the Anthology series reimagined the nineteen eighty two Stephen King film in twenty minutes segments they're filled with practical effects and six and tales from the crypt at like the local dime drugstore in it's a he adds very kind of idyllic childhood I guess looking back on it a setting for any number of horror movies Oh yeah is that part of what your imagination was like when you're going on yeah absolutely and and plus it's you know this is like pre Internet as and you're just kind of left with your own imagination and this is also a place where you were basically booted out the door at dawn and told come back at sunset you know make sure you get back before the light disappears and it sounds like I grew up in the fifty s because like we would ride our bikes into town and you know by e c Com some sort of lesson in life or something that you're supposed to take from it that is either to help you or warn you about the circumstances of life and this provides it's a format to do that in its absolute purest and simplest form Roxanne Benjamin is one of the directors of creepshow you can watch episodes on the hard and you just have to get past that piece to get to the real meat of it which comes with the sound design these are vignettes and you also produce the VHS to say it gets into part of somebody's body and that's grizzly enough but the sound effects that are added in posed about what that objects sounds like when it's pulled out are beyond describing this sound process is my folklore and mythology in a way and that's kind of the very basis of why we tell stories I feel as to impart say so when you're onset half the time you like this is don't this looks this is GonNa be so stupid I'm a failure at live miss plays the Hollywood bowl but a historically devoted sector of his La fan base may not be in attendance and that includes frame contributor Steven Cuevas once a month the cozy boyle heights bar east side love there's also chatter about more sees divisive embrace of far right politics convert part because that's where it really starts to feel like it's coming together because when you're on set and you're making genre so much of it has to do very comments he's made in the past about Chinese people immigrants but there have been hints of Morris He's more extreme views in lyrics going back for years like nineteen ninety two's national sound it's it's fifty fifty on the visual and the sound it's so important and Johner where I think that skews much more visual in- straight film I guess you would Anne Marie waters is the founder of four Britain a radical far-right openly Islamophobic party it all went mostly unnoticed here in America until Morrissey US he has our story recently Morrissey has been more outspoken about his support for extreme far-right politicians in his native England that's on top of inflammatory but if you're looking to get some scares one place to go is shudder. The streaming service is to horror fans what the criterion collection is film buffs but shudder performed on the Jimmy Fallon show earlier this year with a four Britain lapel pin stuck to his jacket Morrissey support of such far right anti front disco song heard is critique of extremist ideologies by some but as a nationalistic rebel yell to others not afraid to be called anti-islam and I'm not afraid either for us as a party to embrace that and go with it it's about opposing Barbara's building it wasn't that hard for fans to let such song slide given more cease championing of the underdog in the outsider he criticized the monarchy and police brutality and then last year came a controversial endorsement thank movie doesn't eat their morality tales at the end of the day at the simplest form it's folk tale you're working in and then you get it into the mix and you get into fully in it starts to come together and you're like yes this is what I had in my head while we were there Bloomberg politics is now one of the singer's biggest and most devoted fan bases Latinos especially in the British singers one time home Sanjay's Morrissey Karaoke known as Morris Yoki as usual the place is packed with mostly Mexican American fans queuing up to croon their favorite who asked that we not use his last name is conflicted disagrees with the singers coarsening views but more sees also kind of been decided to boycott the singers recent La area shows. I struggle a lot and if I'm GONNA give my money I'm not as prone to be like here I love you take lifelong companion I think even back then I already knew that I was I was an out so I kinda related to a lot of the songs were saying a lot of these crushes that I was having on the boys how Harvey Weinstein Derail The career of Lonzo Gomez Ray hone it believe me I wanted to take the dinner talk about it for hours because stories are or surreal and Eddie most recently during a show in Portland last month the singer exploded after spotting a protest money you don't need me in your auditory among some people might say well then you're not a real fan but that's my truth the cracks in Morris he's fan base in the US appear to be spread for the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas Russian an apology something that will ease the heartbreak Morrissey fans around the world and right here at home in in the new movie Joe Joe Rabbit New Zealand filmmaker Taika ytd takes on good and evil for the romanticized Mexican American culture sent me swooning but I could from silent about Donald Trump's hardline immigration policies in this country and his frequent attacks of refugees and asylum seekers though it shows in Mexico City and it focuses on a boy whose imaginary best friend is Adolf Hitler Court Joe Joe Vol- but if you think this is going to be anything like his marvel blockbuster thor think again this film is set in Germany during the Second World War racism doesn't mean anything I wouldn't do no those I flip through all my own Morrissey and Smith's records I don't know what to do not tossed any of them but I also haven't listened to any in well over a year I guess I'm just waiting for an expert Los Angeles two years ago his entire band wore t shirts with trump's name preceded by a four letter expletive I think this is his way of saying look I've actually seen about thirteen fourteen times at Deanna Chevy Nova a devoted fan in high school journalism teacher in the San Fernando Valley tell a British magazine that he feels persecuted after being slammed over his own sinophobic finger pointing I was a good and that quote said he's anti-trump doesn't mean he's anti the ideologies in Mexico for many let the offense myself included Moslem Morrissey fans in the borderlands and lead singer of an Latina Morrissey cover bands now on hiatus reached her breaking point about a year ago can you know sit down for an interview come out and something stray but I think he's always been the independent and he'll just say whatever is on his mind whether people agree with it or not when Morrissey threw his arms around for Britain should it just be about what he sees about rounded in what he talks about you know like I it's painful Moore's he's mostly kept it's all been pretty confusing and painful after having kind of a take it or leave it relationship with Morrison's music for years a couple of songs I heard that he recorded in two thousand incident Sam Rockwell and Ytd plays Hitler or at least a ten year old boys imagination of what Hitler would be like those interesting because it's not Hitler stuck with plans to attend Morris he's upcoming show this weekend in Hollywood but she also wishes he'd answer for his more caustic comments I think it would be good for him to disconnect look at that psycho he's GonNa get us all killed let you in on a little secret the rabbit is no coward the Film Stars Scarlett Johann both want to tell me about the incident what was that about they wanted me to kill it I'm sorry uh after that I was I thought the fan for life but how could that guy just a decade later it made what changed something between the fist drafts because a lot of people must have said I'll use a you know the breaking point for you I don't even thinking about that but I don't know I can't tell you right now Professor Melissa he thou author of the Two Thousand Sixteen Bucks can't possibly be racist because I love my Latino fans and they love me right and so as long as he's anti trump and that's good enough for a lot of leading as well I mean just because he's don't worry about it I couldn't care less now they call me scared rabbits let them say whatever they want people used to say a lot of nasty things about me Oh this guy's would lunatic us into aw upon which this film is based was published more than a decade ago and you've been working on this film for a number of years what kept you going and how did you finally get they told you when you started shopping it around there's a lot of enthusiasm for the script because it is a good script but however even Dan on us a selling point of films that they to get the money to get financing four film like this would need big names very very big names to show that throughout the film if you look carefully the batons of falling offers jacket and his hair slowly gets more messy and sleeves dot com so you haven't made hunt for wilder people correct not but you have been thinking about and at least made one movie about under parented or unpainted the story which is these kids in this story and it would have just become the insert name here La- movie and at this point when you're first thing about it it's probably it's some sort of amalgam of his father and and Hitler and may be mother father figures that he that he wanted his life filmed for people to make not only because of this the human element to it but it's another world to fill and like I think at that time two thousand and so that's really where they come from no one best friend that was striking in in really represented the right and I think that if anyone big had played this role had played it would've really distracted from the the whole point of the film and the message of the film going off on his jacket which which merged the fall of the Third Reich and ended in the complete shambles that became the novel bulled we're talking with Taika what td about his new film Joe Rabbit this is very polarizing and people have very strong opinions to the positive into the negative. I feel like it's most films have really about mothers you hate

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Jonah Ray, Har Mar Superstar and Nol Wells guest

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Jonah Ray, Har Mar Superstar and Nol Wells guest

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Though please give it up in your own homes for Jona rang Harmar superstar. Noel lyles third Epping yeah go ahead. I can lead them individually in alphabetically. Starting with Journa- Ray. Thank you for being here. Jona how am I I? 'cause you're last name is ray and or other last night. Office era begins with an ass against save. Save this. We'LL GET TO MR superstar second. Tell us about where are you from? And what do you do for my name is Joan born arrays? Kylo Hawaii and I'm ready to win this game. I love. That's what you do for. A living is winning this game. I forgot about that part. I committed to hard to the Beena Contessa John. Just a good job. If you can get it you ever album mouth. That people should enjoy during this tense time. Yeah I I Earlier this year I put out a record or as last year. I put out a record of weird Al Punk Weird AL versions On Asian man records. And IT'S A it won't take a lot of your day 'cause I think it's a less than eight minutes but it's fine. Wait the whole thing is only eight minutes long to EP. On it only did Did a few songs. I swear I've spent more than eight minutes reading about it on twitter yell that isn't that just music journalism in in general just a right a right more than the music's eight minutes seems pretty long for a press campaign nowadays honesty. Say hello to him next out from its Harmar superstar. How You Doing Sean? I'm good. I'm just chilling on the couch. Here in Minneapolis with my new PUP figgy and we're just Or just hanging out just trying to make him feel comfortable with his little baseball blanket. Will you painted a picture for US? There of what? You're what you're up to and about and of course you had you have a a band called a heart bones. That had lots of tour dates. That are probably now all influx correct. It's true yeah we. We had to stop our tour around March thirteenth. I think the Twelfth Twelfth was last day we decided to really just go home on the thirteenth That was about two weeks into a two month. Us Tour and then We were GONNA do Europe and stuff after that. We hadn't even announced that we had to cancel stuff before even nnounced it and So yeah we're sort of waiting to see what the world looks like. But now that I'm deep into this like you know quarantine zone. Kinda dislike really like it here so I'm not. I'm not sure I'm not sure when the world's GonNa be ready yet again or I'm going to be ready for the world but You know everybody's rescheduling stuff for the fall. I think we're doing that too but I'm kind of. I'm not super optimistic. That like the world's ready for big crowds again at that point so we'll see who knows what you're all about is the. The huge crowds are so a popular. Yeah I got to be frustrating at It does feel like social. It's gotTa be encouraged effort. Who knows how long yeah? It's tricky for performers. It is. It's one of those things I think the. Ptsd of reentering a crowd and stuff. And we're GONNA have to do a lot of like kid and play kick handshake. Kinda things because I think handshakes with the hands. They're done. They're over. Why we're calling it already done forever. I don't really anti handshake all along and never know. I find that out your. We're finding out who's really really hardcore like. Yeah man he's just cancel for. What are you what happened? Is Our habits still okay? Hugs hugs shot to the top of the list. What I mean I is just stay six feet away but then For people that know each other hugs are are going to be big. I'M GONNA bar. I think it's like you know Barnacle on people I'm not GonNa let go of people have as long as it's You know so is. You're just touching cloth or whatever I think. Is that a it all my gosh the wells. Everybody knows hey. I'm in Los Angeles. I'm in my apartment. I'm here with my cat Elliott Things are fine. Are You I know you just had a your own album. Come out I just have me on album. Come out and You know I was really A. I had a tour scheduled last year and got canceled. Before everybody else's tours got cancelled. So the Kerr. I was ahead of everybody else is getting canceling now. You knew how. Now United feels no No SO I. I was really excited to start playing shows and it was really high list of priorities and Now is just not knowing only for. That's okay and I got a four track and I'm going to start recording stuff here at home just to playrooms you happen. Search awesome love for tracks. It's all about Making the best of it. And that's why we're that's why we're here to do this. Nice Pretty Nice. Show up nicely off the couch onto the couch onto the couch. Go from one laptop to the other defined. You have a formal couch in your house and like a less formal couch. Yeah I find myself just sitting outside now which is something I never did before but now I I go out and watch the sunset every single night Iraqi care so it's a little a little swing chair thing and the sunset and I just kind of feel like a guy in like in the twilight years of his life thinking about all the regrets. What are you what are your top Burnett? Nothing what are you drinking? When you do this Joe I usually make a lacroix in vodka and shape a little bit of our neighbors have a passion. Passion Nectar intuit. And maybe do a little whatever you say. You'RE GONNA shave a little bit of your sideburns into it each night way up the side your head. Now Simpson's yes exactly. Yeah but it's I find myself just doing stuff that had ever did before. But I I. I realized that I miss Use like going doing podcasts or going into income shows like that was the only kind of social life I had at this age and I really miss that. Yeah it sucks so we can't. We can't get together but this This whole like Zoom thing is really People are really embracing it just like regular. Tv's just like watching you know like if they really level the playing field in terms of everyone's just a camera pointed at themselves in their homes. Yeah I have a feeling that this is gonNA way badly on anyone trying to make anything after this is all done. Because it's like everyone's GonNa be like I need a little more money for cameras. They're like no. You don't need money. Look how many people watch Jimmy Fallon know? I will say it's pretty. It's pretty painful to watch people doing their shows from their houses. I've try I try. I mean I I get. Is this okay for me to say totally? I. It makes me really like be like no. This is why we need professionals. If anything this is why like it's so nice to have professional things that look found good because it's really quite painful to just watch all these people we love doing. They're they're really brilliant work through an iphone speaker. There's something about like bad sound can just throw off the entire vibe of some in like s on. Something would have been hilarious. You like it here. Irish siblings seeing symposium thing at South by southwest film like years ago and the one thing that everyone on the panel agreed on there. Just like it's like it's like you don't need the best lenses you don't need all the fancy lights but dear Lord make sure you can hear what people are saying. Make sure the audio as good as it can be totally. It's really the difference. I it really is the difference and you know a lot of people are incurred. You know there's a lot of for musicians especially everybody's like posting songs on their instagram and having these live streams its. I can't it's hard. It's hard for me to get into it or want to. I can't do it. I can't I think of my most popular tweet of all time was last week when I was like. Is it okay if I don't play Acoustic Guitar on the Internet and I did try? I tried. I haven't tried yet. I haven't broken down. I'll play like a you know since the baseline and saying something but I haven't really done that yet either. But it's just you know I appreciate another people do it. I just feel like there's something about like me shifting into like becoming that guy the the House party that that finds speakers to Qatar in ruins everything I don't do you know like some comics are really trying to do. Comedy sets like on their. You know on the Internet and I haven't really gone there but I do spend a lot of time. Just you know talking to people on on Instagram. And Periscope think about. How do people is what we want right? Now we all WanNa talk to each other I have popped into sorry popped. I have hopped into a couple of people being watch my livestream. I'm GONNA do some. I'm going to try out some material and no doesn't work. It actually makes me weirdly like the couple of jobs it on. I don't like I don't like this and I might not even like these people listened Magin. No with comedy has got to be so hard with no no response. You know crazy about that. Is that in Abramson for years. Was doing this show around town and like at festivals called seven minutes of purgatory. Where the whole funny idea about it was that there was a comic off to the side with like noise cancelling headphones in a in a booth where they can't hear the audience and there's a camera on them and then the audience watches This comic on a Monitor. Where they can't hear the noise they make they. Can you know the comic came here? And that was like a funny bit. And now that's everybody's comedy sets. I think it'd be tailor it to the environment though. Maybe there's a way to crack it. You gotta lean into the format. It's time for youtubers to finally take over comedy off. Thank God they are. They are so funny comedy. Hey got during the quarantine. There's a lot more shit talking now. I'm just kidding. We can't each other spaces. It's all coming out. Yeah that's what I like about. This format is that like you know everybody you know is asking me or I'm asking other people like the whole podcast world. When we're doing each other shows now is everyone's doing video to go along with their the the audio version and I I try to hold out on that. Just make it strictly audio and I think that's a good idea. I think it's like you know it's it's like the last show. You don't need to shower to do. I don't know what you've been watching but there's plenty of people that's it just been watching shower streams that's their soured as well. It was awesome for all right so this is the part where I say all games. There's no prizes no name Tags. Just get right into it We'll talk about We'll tell them about movies and stuff at the stairs stage time at the end but now it's time to get serious. Play a game called. How long is it? I will name a saying that each of you guess how long it is e me like an minutes or link once you find out what the thing is handsy for itself but yes that is important. And it's closest to the number without going over and this is submitted by one nut Cox. Nineteen seventy seven on instagram. Tom Hanks laughs maniacally in a memorable scene from the money pit when when they're bathtub falls through the floor crashes onto the nets floor smashes into bits than he looks down through the hall and then he laughs. How is thirteen seconds okay? Noel comes in with the fast bid of thirteen seconds. Twenty two Jona going twenty two. I'm going to go thirty. Sean Says Thirty Ryan if you may please do the honors. Let's listen to Tom. Hanks laughing was amazing fast. Half of that was not laughing house. Preamble those that was like yeah. It was like gasping for air and actually is getting attacked by goose that Oscar winner laughing laughing right there. I mean your your number might have been very accurate Noel. If if we were if we took out all the pauses we was strictly the laughing I think he would have got it but We by our count. It was twenty eight seconds. So that bakes Joanna the winner rather. Yeah Congratulations Joanna Jonah. Thanks due to celebrate this big win. You're good at like maybe two shots of vodka to that La- Qua- I already do so. Go for the The quattro I think you should try to beat the laugh. Maybe thirty to serve. I'll I'll hurt my throat. I won't do it Shanteau. Don't hurt your throat. Yeah all right. We're going to go to a quick break and then we'll be back soon with more exciting gay match. Working remotely can be a challenge especially for teams. That are new to it. How do you deal with your work? Environment being the same as home while staying connected and productive and then there's your newest co worker the cat well your friends at Trello have been powering remote teams globally for almost a decade at a time when teams must come together more than ever to solve big challenges. Trello is here to help trello part of Atlassian collaborative sweet is an APP with an easy to understand visual format plus tons of features that make working with your team functional and just plain fun trailer keeps everyone organized and on the same page helping teams communicate focus and connect teams of all shapes and sizes at companies like Google Fender Cosco. And likely your favorite neighborhood. Coffee Shop. All Use Trello to collaborate and get work done try. Trello for free and learn more at TRELLO DOT com. That's T. R. E. L. L. O. DOT COM TRELLO DOT COM. All right. We're back hi. Hey guys do. I really need that break. Oh God I got so much done. You just You just they're playing with your dog. I'm literally this pending this tiny Yorkie. That is new to my house just discovering the joy of being a dog a dog guy. I mean it must be the number one thing people are doing in this. Do make is is you know either. Fostering or acquiring dogs. Yeah I mean I've honestly never had the time to like take like you know. Get to know a little a little rescue guy and potty train them and do all that stuff and so this is perfect and it was a really weird process going through like all of the social distance like kind of like just video meet ups and stuff in like a virtual tour of our house for the powers that be and things like that is really really weird but but we we made it through. The lighting doesn't look as good as we'd hoped professional sound guy on hand or are we gonna get scared when there's too many chairs so that's true and just Thom Yorke actually You've probably met. Thom Yorke Sean. Did you call them? Yorkie? God I bet I bet. In Britain they do down the pub. Yorkie okay creep. I don't know what wh why did we. What were we just talking about? Iggy my Yorkie. Oh Yeah oh I did bring it up. I was just off to what what what are. We got into that but Took it too far. Never when it comes to your keys you can never. You can never go too far. I'm a huge fan at. That's why I don't have. This is my big thing is. I'm trying to resist getting a dog because he's soon as this is over to go back out on the road again and Annette's going to create a whole bunch of public. A headaches foster one though I I have my friend. Dave clock has been fostering animals during this time. Can you foster For like two hours you just went along. The animal lives really. Let's Kinda like their lifespan. Housefly butterflies yes. Because I do that I do like really quickey like you know. Just hang out with a dog for few hours. That's like being an uncle. Yeah uncle dog dog on these. What's that dog loves movies? It was dom we're talking hotel for dogs. We're talking dog day afternoon. We're talk in air. Bud WE'RE TALKING AIR BUD WORLD PUP we're talking to Arab service sticky Docs wait. I understand this game. You just said dog. The dog everywhere. The dog is the only dog movies. Dogs go to Heaven Doug Day afternoons. Pretty good snow. Doug's if you just get real high is like I had a real Doug Day afternoon baby's Day out except as doug getting way high just wandering around. Yeah and Joe. Patchy is trying to or no. It's Joe Montana. It's definitely Montana. Joey pants is in that one too. Yeah he's one of the more fun for me anytime. Joe Pantoliano comes up. I'm just excited. Ever met him don't know him at all but just excited to column Joey Pants. Some of the best Episodes of tales from the crypt is a good handful of Miami. Sopranos RUNS THE GAME. A bill using a ROM com. I pray my dad. Yeah it's it's been a hole in a car with them was that did that work out all day. I'm fine now Bernie. So cool hugging. Does he have to smoke cigars all the time or something like that. Well it was funny so he played. He played my dad who is supposed to be Italian so he like he did like an Italian accent the whole time and was just like trying that out like to just stuck in a car with a Italian accent. It's exactly what it was. Yeah you have to stay in the car. Did they like roll up the craft services table trying to tell him Italian access which. Hey Hey you WANNA go. Pizza let sounds fun. And thank you for that At Hollywood memory. I always love hearing those. Those stories hug loves movies. I got one more game. Play if you guys. What is a big one? I'm very excited about it It's called last man or woman Stanton Supreme Deluxe Edition. Yeah never attempted before each one of us including myself because I like to play along You know what though I'm not? GonNa you'll see a second each one view. We'll get to choose an actor or actress. Whose body of work you think you know. Well then the four of us Plays as well. But I won't name an actor. Actress of the four of us will take turns naming movies featuring all three of those actors. Who and as soon as you can't think of one then you're out there's no lifelines with there's also no pressure Just for fun. Of course we will. We will hang up on you so real fast. So we're GONNA try to name movies. Where they're they're all three at one. No that'd be raising. I know I was like no. I was just like my brain is broken. Yes each of you name and actor and then we all. Three of them were mechanical. No it's just You know it helps if you pick somebody that you think you know a lot of their movies but then we all are going to name Movies for all three actress so basically it could be. It could play strategically sandbags. Somebody else by taking all of their. You know all of their best answers. Oh my God or pick someone that has four movies. Only you know yes. There is such a person. We don't do fact checking during the show and also the corrections department has the entire and Democrats had to let go even follow up with any corrections. I think there was a mistake in the first show. We did this way. I'm just walked away from it. The whole show defending Wilkerson were As some of my favorites All right so Jonas since you one that that I The FIRST GAME. Go ahead and tell me What actor actress. You'd like to us today in this game Daniel Stern show. I like that choice like that. A lot okay. What about you aren't Okay I've been on my my quarantine. Hobbyists Been Watch every one of Sam Rockwell's movies so I'm Sam Rockwell. Dad Oh don't forget to watch the documentary on Galaxy Quest. That's on Amazon. Go Away there is one on Amazon. I now yes like. No no surrender. Bach yes there will. What do you think Thinking Easy Natalie Portman. Let's just go with Natalie? Portman glow daily forward. All right. Well this is GONNA be Is going to be interesting We'll see if we can handle this even keep track of all these answers because it's a lot. Okay so it's GonNa go Jona and then Noel Than Sean Than Me Jan. So just actors Natalie Portman Daniel Stern Serra may rocks okay coral Iraq's no relation Egeli van. I was just thinking about Sam Rockwell like earlier today in a movie. I had forgotten that he is in. So I'm excited. Blew UP BUT JONAH. You go first okay. Well I'll start with Sam Rockwell 'cause I I love him and I the movie that has double the Rockwell's I'm GonNa go with Moon Spoil does a answer into spoiler. Okay Noel? Yeah let's just keep going on Sam Rockwell. Train three billboards Taito. Please talk over billboards over. Hold on what I think about it being different movie. Oh No okay. He was also doesn't Joe. Joe Rabbit was okay. Say three billboards over Madison Wisconsin. Those are just at a what you to be out thad quickly. Okay does Shawn what he could stay on this Rockwell train and go clownhouse cloud house as his first one. Okay Well our good to say it. 'cause it's funny that you guys brought it up either one of you said it. Galaxy Quest. Nice I'm GonNa go with One of my favorite movies safe men Leif men with Rockwell Steve. Zahn I mean if only we could live in a world where men could be safe. It's really sounds like a movie. For dreamers kids are great moving really good though L. Day Mile Oval Great Rockwell. Which she did the same. We're really sticking with the Rockwell. Here is the Green Mile of ebbing Missouri. I'M GONNA go over to stern and say breaking All right I don't think can I just feel energized. Danehill stern as he was. The guy that was in breaking away is in a very popular television. We can give this away from television. He was the voice of Adult version of the kid in wonder years And Arnold Kevin. Yeah but that's okay. You know plenty of Natalie Portman Sam Rockwell movies. Right sure thing. Yeah yes going for hours all right so sean said breaking away. I'm GonNa say the movie. I was thinking about earlier today. A film called choke talent. Yeah Nice Joanna ago home alone for Daniel Stern. Yes Okay. I thought you were just Describing your situation this here Yeah let's just you Natalie. Portman Film Black Swan Okay. I was thinking that when as you as you said it. I tell ethically told you pick the movie. That's she's probably most famous for not those out. She won the Oscar for that one. John Stick with Portland. Portland and Annihilation Oh that's one of those movies. That people loved it and I I was I get it. I decided on Netflix the other day. I still haven't seen it so I'm not taking taking any stance yet. Okay that's fair Bob. Alright I'm going to jump over to Daniel Stern here and Take some of the steam out of Jonas sales. I'm GonNa say Celtic Pride there. You go read by Judah all right I'm GonNa go with the Rockwell and do Blue Guana Oh my God. We had to turn off the other day. Couldn't couldn't make it through featuring bench works. Ben Schwartz is yeah. I Love Inch Wirtz Love Center in Rockwell. Could Not Watch that movie You know what a Blue Iguana me no WANNA do announced that when you turn it off and remote. I wish I was sub. Who's now it's a missile. Yeah Natalie Portman Jackie Weird Stearns home-loan to lost in New York. Oh you're going to play that way are you? Yeah I said the full title. You're waiting you're waiting to bust me. It'd be like home-loan to what Okay John Was it. I'm going to start something here. I think with a little city slickers ooh but I'll go city slickers to the legend. Curly's gold you son of a gun. I've I've had that one trip people up on this show before I think twice. So Yeah No. That's A. That's that's a classic subtitle there. The legend of curly's gold easy to confuse. Though it's like you know always is a legend or is it the ballot city slickers three to be the ballot of Buster scruggs So who's up? Is it me okay? Okay so just Molly Portman Garden State. Yeah KINDA GET BACK OVER TO DANIELS. Stearns and more throw down a little diner. Should I feel like I got skipped? Sorry what are you okay? I I'll I'll go strictly business. Sim Rockwell. Okay I'M GONNA say a diner. I watched that a couple of years ago And they talk about going to the diner a lot they were always like. I kinda actually I just I I remember it being better but I I may not like it. You know though I was. I was recently hypothesizing that if I watched again now I would be bummed out by it and then I did remember that. There's like Daniel Stern Yellen Ellen Barkin for not putting his albums back in the Right Order and and Steve Gutenberg making his fiancee take a football quiz for deciding if he'd merrier. Not The classic. Mickey Rourke just put his Dick in the popcorn so in the girl reaches into get some awkward. She has to touch his ten. Movie does not hold up even in my memory of it came to mind when I was like was that. Oh yeah that's the way that's not going to be. That's not gonNa work now because people used to talk about that movie all the time. He was their favourite. It was a lot of people's favorite movie and I never really never understood that. Yeah it's IT'S YEAH. It's definitely a time capsule all right. Who's up next? That's May I will do Natalie Portman the professional or Leon the professional I love. How if you could go. I'd like you to give us the European title for all the films announced. Y'All that's my natalie. Portman impression that whole movie. She's like all Natalie Portman and a closer yes you next yes no. I hadn't thought of that one yet. Yes he's it a lot of movies. I haven't thought about asser. Far Lick season my season. I go to when I get in trouble. Sean I'm GONNA go Rockwell. Confessions of a dangerous mind. Yeah you know what I'd call. You Sean. What is that after the answer? Mr Right blue extent is also the name of us have rockwell. Movie haven't gotten to that part of the list. I'M GONNA go with Daniel Stern Bush whacked ooh euro out of options Noel. No it's just so funny because they just don't know any of those movies so I'm just backing myself into a portman whole apartment portal. Is it my turn? Yeah right okay. Okay mic favorite movies. At least I haven't seen it since I was like twelve but Mars attacks okay. It'd be so funny if we add like I get Cabraha at the end of this. We cut to dwell city a rule where all the posters on the walls are all data secret. Look around the room. We read the titles off of the postseason. It's all it's all Daniel Stern movies and should pretending she doesn't Sean again right. Yeah Algo Richmond okay. Mars attacks okay. Yes so Richard Jewel Rockwell. What Donna Richard Jewell these? It's this newer. Clint Eastwood One is pretty good. It's for you good sin Jon Hamm. Yeah Paul Walter Houser. I love that guy. Yeah it's really. Whoever cast Richard Jewel must adjust seen I Tanya and just went? Oh theory is now. That's that's the guy because his aides are being pretty similar less buffoonish but still some very similar performance Okay so it's my turn so what happened? Yes might turn okay. So I'M GONNA go early Portman and say beautiful girls. I'm going to go with the one of my favorite Portman movies Vox locks tonight. Did I not say I don't I? Didn't I didn't know mine. Sh okay. It's on you again. Noel. L. A. Sorry I didn't mean to be like that was mine? Sorry that's Okay. I think I nobody actually ended up saying this completely. But it's three billboards outside of ebbing Missouri. They did it okay. Though it was like cruel enough to take it from you. let's go Charlie's angels for Rockwell. Oh I mean as long as we're go in there I say let's go ironman to WHO ooh Shit. There's a Man I blanked on the name of the movie for Daniels Thorough. But I think it's a I think it's whippet co-starring Sean Tillmann here. God Damn Yeah. That's the you're right on both counts. Rip It with how forgot I was in that I forgot. He was in that. Yeah I definitely forgot about Daniel Stern in that he's kind of an asshole right. I thought he was Kinda. He's like the basically he plays the Paul Dooley from Yeah he he he. He thinks that's stupid that she's in Roller Derby but then eventually wins over loves tough. It is cool. Yeah I was fun. That was fun. I'm glad you there. Joe Thanks. John Idea All right so noel. Have we said V FOR VENDETTA FOR ALL RIGHT? Is it not? Is it not well? Some people like to call it vivere vendetta coal in out for justice if that's just a veget- title floating around out there amongst the super fans died. I don't I don't I mean it's I made it up. It's your turn V for Vendetta. She got buzzed. I don't know it does feel like it needs more words. Read that a colon w for what I'm going to go with the blaze Sam Rockwell own. Thought you're just suggesting something for me to do yes in that to Sam Rockwell in blaze. Okay okay Shit that helped me think something and Sam Rockwell in Vice. Yeah Jona Natalie Portman. I believe there's two of these movies that came out and trading is tough. I know and I think it's no strings attached. I think you're right. Yeah because that could have been the friends of belt benefits the other ones that Coolness Timber Portman. Portman don't Well okay there. Are these two other Portman films. That are very similar. There's where the hardest with Ashley Judd Do. You know what I'm talking about. Is that igloo vaguely? Remember hardest. Okay. There's where the heart is or. I think I think that's what it's called or is it something else though. I mean that's that's your answer. It's the hardest or where the heart ain't and then like she ended as a judge select sisters struggling to make it on their own will. There's two of these movies that are like she's like on the road she might be pregnant. I don't know all right. There's that one where she works at the Walmart. Yes yeah anyway. Yeah then. There's another one where she's Of the CAN. I can't think of the title. I think I know about sure where she's running around. She's like Susan Sarandon's daughter. Yeah so I don't know yeah post but all except where the heart is. That sounds right anybody's just few where the hardy's should we asked Ryan to keep track of these or no. He's busy not listening he's hosting. He's moderating in case anybody gets out of hand up there. Yeah so That bakes it Sean. Turn yes I'M GONNA go trolls World Tour Rockwell. Headed voice in there. Maybe three who? Yeah I haven't watched it yet but I just. Is that pretty much trolls world A to. I think right roles to her world TWAT. Yeah okay. That's a good that's a good sneaky Rockwell. Thank you a sneaky. Rockwell boxing. Move folks. I haven't seen anything like this so there's laughed out your punchline at big idea. I literally ended up by saying it's the last time we've seen this forever which no announcer would ever say okay. That is a perfect at it. Then nature's edit those next your. Oh I'M GONNA say go with this is really Israeli squeaker I think that thing was Susan. Serandon is called anywhere but here. Oh say somewhere but yeah somewhere but here. Something anywhere makes more sense. All right I means I'm next I'LL DO SAM ROCKWELL. The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy very good. Good yeah okay. We have not gone here with naughtily but star wars episode Phantom Menace assets trouble. Hey go she said as she did it I sat right. That's the only one I know stores up said one. The Phantom menace very good. Yeah I mean yeah. I'm not taking credit here. I'M GONNA GO. Let's say Manatt. J What are you got the way way back but Sam Rockwell. Oh yes course. Qua- Awes- good. This isn't fair because I've been watching so many Sam Rockwell movies this week. Yeah the thing you know you gotTa pick somebody that's GonNa be in your wheelhouse and we should have been snapping up more Rockwell's on you Damn I don't know I'm really a just in the interest of time. I think I'M GONNA buy tip out here though no I can. I can do that. Something do Star Wars episode to attack of the Clones K. Then I'll do star wars episode. Three revenge of a couple of dicks is it my turn have the only the only awhile. Maybe when we Natalie Portman and dart the Darjeeling Limited oh Now I'm blanking Sam Rockwell. A bunch of stuff. It's the one he dances in that. One God. He was Bob Fosse on TV. I know that was so good to fuck. Do I have to tap out right now? I might have to tap. Oh no I should know a lot more but I'm just blanking right now Philo. He wasn't in that I'm out I'm out yet. Glebelands Har Mar superstar has tapped tapped Jona Algo Sam Rockwell. Gentlemen broncos Nice. Show impressive though. Well Okay Natalie Portman Zealander as Natalie Portman. Oh very good clone called. There's gotTa be another Daniel Stern movie. I know what did we miss? There's so many I don't think so. I just thought of one a really to me. Oh Dan in I think I might be tapped into. This is so exciting it yeah I don't. I don't think it was out amount. Sorry the well you one no way you guys being. Yeah I do I honestly you really do them out my brains broken. You've lasted all that time. I thought of Blue Thunder for Daniels Stern. He's the goose of that movie But yeah did you have any more no well. I honestly Now no should I have another one to give you a chance to rub it in a few more. Would you did it. You want great. Yeah you don't say what do I win in quarantine? Who's at the thing is you're not you know you're not playing for anybody but You know maybe Maybe if somebody's listening to this they reach out on your twitter Heard that Heard that you one on Douglas. Movies give me something and then you have to give that person's update I'm happy to give people things I've mailing like. I like Ivan. Have a bunch of postcards and I bought a bunch of stamps. Let's get should just tell them. Douglas movie set you and reach out to own. That's just remembered the movie that I had like locked away early on the game either. It's very bad things which is kind of A. That's a Daniel Stern movie with a Christian slater and stuff like that. Sorry I totally forgot until just at this moment. I'm very upset with myself and I'll be thinking about it for the rest of the day. At least you caught it while we were still recording. You know like usually I think stuff like in the showers later. Anything anything you guys want to recommend We just have a couple of minutes here with anything you want to recommend people watch while in quarantine I just last night. I just watched the the Tom. Petty documentary the really long ones. That's amazing I would definitely have not said the full title if we are supposed to be guessing at but it was so good. I I have a really short attention span. Last night I watched three hours and only went to bed because it was late. It was just such a it was so good and I finished watching it today. Which is lovely to watch. That's great. It's so good it's like I think the first time I watched it I wasn't fully like I didn't think I was a Tom. Petty Fan and then like about fourteen minutes in I was like holy fuck loved. Tom Petty my whole life and dislike. Watch that movie so anytime since then you know it's like he's one of those dudes who all of a sudden once he know the catalog. You're like I know everyone of these songs. So you know you know as you know songs from every single album and it spans decades. I think it's it's incredible. My recommendation would be. I just got back into like some showtime stuff so I I would say black Mondays really great. What's really fun to watch and On becoming a God in central Florida is a great series to okay. I found this a new. Youtube Channel called trash theory. And it's this guy from England. Does these really great video essays about all kinds of music. And it's so fun to watch funny digestible like he did wind. That's all about the best of the worst performances on top of the POPs were like bands like over the years like intentionally sandbagged the performances on that show or how you know like from the buzzcocks to Green Day. How pop punk kind of became a thing or why new bell was such a terrible thing? There's a it's A. It's a lot of great stuff. Lotta great kind of video essays. A highly suggested awesome. Let's a call again The called trash theory. Cool and Do you guys have anything You know that you want to promote any other. Podcasts Internet appearances. You have coming up nope okay. Great I've been making these my my fiancee. Laura and I have been making these coloring books since we've been quarantined with a bunch of illustrators and and things Different amazing artists from Minneapolis called coloring books for a cause raising money for a bunch of people that can't work While this Kobe. Nineteen stuff is going on. So if you WANNA check out coloring books for a cause dot com we have one that benefits the staff of First Avenue in Minneapolis one. The benefits The status of grumpy and commerce bars and another one that Benefits violence-free Minnesota which is a coalition to end domestic violence relationship abuse. So that's been a cool project that I've been really excited to work on and that's great. Yeah thank you Noel Wells. Yeah I'm just been sitting here like very uselessly. Will maybe he wants to wrote me in anything. I am around. You Watch tons of Tons of Tom Petty. That's not being useless. Shaving Yeah I mean I'm definitely I'm really taking care of myself and I I don't have anything particular you know. I haven't I haven't album. That came out last year. And if you like a good time if you haven't gotten a chance to maybe listened to take a little melancholic but I also think speaks to. The time was well. Yeah sounds necessary right now and it's really really thank you thank you did you cut out on. I just heard it's really really really really really really really might record is really really really. Think so I really really do join array. What else you got going on buddy. We're still trying to put out episodes of Radio You know it's so we get to hear about a lot of the frontline stuff happening because cash. Hartzler one of our House on that show is been working at traderjoes So he's seen a lot of the madness Firsthand and then. I'm also doing another. Podcast called social distancing where I just call up friends and record the phone conversations and then just Kinda put those up on on on the Internet and that's just been kind of fun. We've had like Mike. Mitchell Commission did one We'd had a Georgia Heart Start and whatnot. So it's been fun. Awesome comedy. Yeah it'll be the longest conversation Noel and I have ever had outside of this podcast. Okay Well if the three of you do me a huge favor a first of all thank you for being here and then if you take a picture of yourself or your environment where you're at right now just something to capture The you know the time we spend together that I could put into little a collage for the for Instagram I'd appreciate you could just text me one picture. I don't need to make choices at. I can just imagine somebody steady like. Here's eight shots one Yeah thank you guys for being here. 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Charlie's Angels (2000)

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Charlie's Angels (2000)

"Once upon a time three movie fans went to college and took film classes after graduating they were each each hired for very boring day jobs but I took away from all that and now they podcast for me. My name is Charlie. PODCAST will contain detailed plot spoilers and mild language. This is going to be long sometimes when the throat just been fast listener discretion is advised. We get started this millennium today. We're discussing Charlie's angels. It's starring Cameron Diaz Drew Barrymore Lucy Liu Bill Murray Sam Rockwell Tim Curry Kelly Lynch directed by Mick Gene Gene. This is the now plan goes always ready to get some action Arnie. This is Marjorie and this is the host is either crazy bastard or a crazy bitch Jacob yeah. That was this film's Tagline. Get some action giant flaming a with three hot women on the poster you mean maybe like too hot women at Lucy Liu. I don't like cameras. I just don't like her. As a person I have at it interactions with her living out here in Hollywood or at least her mom Cameron Diaz. Don't say anything her mom who who was handler not a pleasant woman really I always enjoy unpleasant celebrity encounters. They are Super Fun but I didn't really have this movie on on my radar. I remember fall two thousand. I knew it was coming out already. You are the music guy I mean. I know destiny child's fan but this song was everywhere. It was associated with this film. I feel like I remember that Song More than this movie Oh yeah. I don't think it was a hit until after this movie came out I mean before this movie came out. I'm I'm huge into destiny's child but let me tell you I did have the CD the music soundtrack after seeing this. I just remember fall of two thousand thousand Marjorie and I were dating and Marjorie is like let's go see. Charlie's angels like really why we went to our theater at the mall when that was still open and saw this movie I did see this one in theaters as well look up when he came out because I'm like this is either a colladay release or summary released lease because is dragged to it with my family when the family together we always like to go to the movies. That's unfortunate what we get stuck because it's usually gotta be more family friendly and so this is what I got dragged to. I'm guessing around. It came out in early November so this was our thanksgiving moving. I'm guessing you would see a lot of crap and a lot of crap some shots that you weren't really into this yeah with the three allegedly sexy ladies and all that I do feel like this is geared more for men than women yeah. I looking at it on paper. I mean I am a fan the NF Cameron Diaz. I've never met her mother so don't wait. You're Cameron Diaz Fan. That's Kinda weird. I certainly was back then. I'm sorry but there's there's something about. Mary just had me fall in love yeah. That was huge. I we're supposed to all fall in love with her. I just never did even before I met her mother. She's exact same character and there's something about Mary as she is in Charlie's angels. I there were a number of films that I'd seen her in and liked my best friends wedding very very bad things the mask well. I'd seen her in it. I can't say I liked her in it but it is funny to me how she became a star because I'm looking for the breakout film. I think that had to be. There's something about Mary. She was working before then but there's something about Mary. Thrust into the spotlight with that spiky hair drew drew barrymore. I'd had a crush on ever since she flashed David Letterman in the nineties. Yeah I guess she had her comeback with scream. Even though she's barely isn't that movie it's probably the best seen in that old franchise it is. I guess she was a working actress again by this point yeah and she had started to do things with her own production company which is flower films. She actually owns the rights. The Charlie's angels TV series. That's how this actually got made drew. Carey more optioned the rights and got a script and was starting her own production auction company. I mean she was popular again. You mentioned scream. I do think that was a big comeback for her. I mean you probably remember her. As one of two faces women women in Batman forever Oh yeah barely that's not a comeback anyone but after scream the wedding singer was a huge hit never never been kissed. Didn't she do some Cinderella movie to ever after so she started her own production company which is why we got. Donnie Darko by the way Okay Ed all is forgiven drew. She was Donnie Darko. She was one of the teachers that's right. She's still producing movies far more than she starring in them and she got this movie Meiji. She even handpicked Director Mick G now mic. G is one who I can't take seriously because he likes to call himself Mickey. Gee Not really into my birthday in two thousand nine. Did you meet his mother to know I met thermometer salvation which I was so excited for came came out the weekend of my birthday. I would've vegas for my birthday. I'm like no. I don't care if I'm in Vegas. I'm want to see Terminator Salvation and that is a pile all the never forgive Msci for that. I had to travel through time to give that red hair. I know and it really deserves. That red Arrow ruined by birthday. I will never forget that. This is his first film. I now know him more as a producer of television shows like chuck lethal weapon that I know him from film. Although I understand he's still making films for net flicks but casting you know when you talk about this Cameron D as Big Star Drew Barrymore more a producer be big star on the rise Mea. That's bigger get to meet and Cameron Diaz Lee though I get Cameron Diaz big at the time and then I I was always confused. Lucy Liu the mean one from ally mcbeal. I had no idea she was an ally mcbeal. Though I only watched an episode or two but yeah I know her. Mostly I think from the kill bill movies in that came out three years after this. was she anything at this time. I mean anything now well now. She's he's doing that. Sherlock TV series on television elementary. I think it's coming to its end but she's done that for seven years. At the time time I knew her because she was brought in the second season of ally mcbeal. If you look her up she did mostly television stuff and she was briefly briefly in Jerry Maguire but no this would I think a big movie role for her and one that very briefly set her up to be a film star then ballistic experts sever and that center right back down to television. You never heard about that. was there alternate casting. We always talk. There's there's always some fun. What if with a lot of films were there other people considered. Oh yes I guess he drew Barrymore was always going to be in it because she's producing well actually not necessarily on she was talking about just producing but not being in it but they did lock those two pretty soon but with Lucy Liu I always felt like one. Are these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong to name yeah so ice did some research into this and they tried everybody in Hollywood Hollywood. The first person offered it Angelina Jolie okay that makes sense. That would have been a big yet. You Notice Drew Barrymore dyed her hair red. They were going back to the original conception. We want on a Brunette redhead and a blonde. Yes I complained about that with the pilot makes it so much easier here especially since they're. GonNa use different names but Angelina Jolie said no did a movie that I considered to be a spiritual twin of this one she went and did Laura Croft Tomb Raider instead then they tried to get Jada Pinkett Smith. Who decided did she would do bamboozled instead okay but then they got somebody who didn't sign the contract. That's not going to be Lucy. Liu Tandy Newton Rutin she was signed. She was ready to do everything and then what screwed that up John Woo. If you remember mission impossible to was the film that Made Doug Ray Scott I'm not able to be wondering because he had to go back and do filming pick ups so they had to bring in someone else you Jackman got the role. It worked out for him. Well Tandy Newton was signed to do the third one until the mission impossible to pick ups interfered and they began a major hunt. Now who's going to be as your Gento Okay Ashley Judd Posh Spice Victoria Beckham out there boy Halle Berry Elena Bonham Carter new okay jodie Foster Jennifer Jason Leigh Gwyneth Paltrow tiffany amber thesis and Emma Thurman Case was lit everyone in Hollywood every female in Hollywood. I don't think that this is an accurate list. I think this is hey wouldn't it be cool of so and so played it. I don't think that these people were actually doing screens S. or anything like that. I think this is just somebody's wishlists. I think this is somebody called an agent. An agent might have said no or the agent passed it onto the actress and the actress said no awesome guy just sat around and said Hey. It'd be cool if someone play days it just. I can't imagine you would approach somebody like Kate. winslet with this at all. I can't either Robin Wright Penn then Catherine Zeta Jones none of these real Catherine Zeta Jones might make sense she done Zoro okay really part of the reason. Some of these didn't get it is drew through and Cameron went to MC. Gee said listen. We want these angels to be friends. We want to have a third actress who can be our friend not a third actress who will steal our boyfriend enter. Lucy Liu whatever they wanted someone like ugly that wasn't so not a girl power movie they. They just wanted someone. I guess they felt they had good chemistry with and so- Lucy Liu is brought in and that answers my question she was not the first pick because I couldn't imagine unless she andrew like hung out at after parties with alley mcbeal tapings I couldn't imagine how she got this Gig but she was cheap. She was cameron. Cameron Diaz got twelve million dollars for this movie. Drew Barrymore got nine million dollars although because she was a producer forty million yeah she got those points it's on the back end yeah eighty million for the sequel. Lucy Liu one million dollars which is still a lot of money for Lucy Liu. I got imagine like Bill Murray GonNa show up in this. He got paid more than Lou right. Yes although we're GONNA be talking about Bill Murray versus Lucy okay I mean but this cast does seem tailored third for now play or you specifically already. Tim Curry Sam Rockwell Crispin Glover like these are exciting names now playing well first of all. Sam Rockwell is chameleon. He deserve his Oscar. He finally got Oh. He's amazing. I agree yeah and I'm sorry you can't disrespect Crispin Glover. I'm not disrespecting. I'm just saying no podcast. Didn't I don't know maybe there's a crispin glover fan podcast but no podcast gets more excited for gover the now play. Let's finish the rest of this Phil. I interviewed mute. Him and he was interesting very nice when met him in person but I agree. This is a cast of character actors that I do love I wanted that's a look up Sam Rockwell because I tried to figure out when did Sam Rockwell Become Sam Rockwell teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Always Been Sam Rockwell. You know what I'm saying although yes but does have a name that is just fit for a movie starring. Sam Rockwell sounds like fifty star but I looked him him up and he would done a lot of different roles but I do think this was one of his first bigger roles even by the time he was doing ironman too I don't I don't think he was a huge star. He was just somebody that I guess I was a fan of the year before this he had I think two memorable roles he was guy in Galaxy lexi quest he was also one of the prison guards in the Green Mile will eventually get to that film. I don't remember him in that okay. I think that Sam Rockwell L. was always the bridesmaid. In a lot of movies or other people gave stellar performances and I'm not talking about iron man to or cowboys and aliens. I'm just saying that he's always in the background impose really great character and it wasn't until he had the right vehicle where people knew who he was when he showed up in vice as George W Bush for like two minute's like I don't even know if it's that long he's amazing. He was the best part of that movie. Choke not a great movie but he's great in it. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy again not a great movie. He's great deals seem to me. Here's a great movie that he's Great in. Everybody should see three billboards outside ebbing Missouri. Yes that's what he won the Oscar for and every one of his performances are as good as three boards though he was nominated the year after for his role in vice whereas two minutes is George W Bush. That's how great he is yeah. I I mean he is an amazing actor and then Yeah Tim Curry always a fun presence when he showed up. I mean admittedly what I could most recently remember him. From before. This movie was Mikhail's navy. He made the film watch but then there are some really like to thousands choices here like Matt. LEBLANC IS GONNA show up Yeah Aubrey. I haven't thought about Tom Green since the year two thousand Tom Green was sleeping with the producer. Yeah I get that literally in this movie he's sleeping with her and I guess in real life. Do they were married for a few months after this film that's right remember. When Tom Green was a thing that was so brief I remember he had the Tom Green. Show on MTV. Here's the number one hit on MTV with that but song and then he had Freddy got fingered and road trip and this I still haven't seen Freddy got got fingered I either it's the worst movie ever or a genius piece of subversive depending on who you talk to. I'm going to say yes to that. The both yes. That's my feeling on it. Yeah still to this day every once in a while. Well like bust out one line from it. Daddy wants them sausage so so why Charlie's angels in the year two thousand I associate around the ninety S and we're getting the Brady bunch movie the Beverly Hillbillies redacting adopting TV so was it just a matter of time until we got to this property yeah. I definitely think that's part of it is TV was coming around again. We had beverly hillbillies and Brady. Bunch was a mild hit. That got a sequel right. There was some kind of hit yes sequel was not very good. The first one was really good and I wouldn't say a mild hit. I think that was like the one that ushered in a lot of this issue the comedies they even make a joke in this they we're going to have a fake. TJ Hooker the movie off a flight and be like another movie from an old TV show. They acknowledge what they're doing here but I I also think it was just kind of the time if you think back to the late nineties early two thousands the popular women's images in media related Brittany Brittany Spears in the schoolgirl dress Christina Aguilera. Rub Me the right way genie in a bottle I mean that was dominating media and Drew Barrymore. I had a vision she wanted to bring the angels back in the same spirit of the TV show. She didn't WanNa make it hard nosed action. She didn't want to try to be serious. Yes she wanted a fun. escapist jiggle fest and no matter what you can say about this film and we will. I think she achieved her goal. Yeah I'll just say I am shocked at the number of ass shots in the film look. I don't think they have great asses the only one with an asset drew barrymore if you want this. MINNEA- shots they're gonNA play. White Baby. Got Back get back. I think they played baby. Got Back Ironically though why I got questions about that scene but we'll get there well already. Why don't we see if we can answer some of the questions for Jake about asses and want you give us a plot summary. You calling me an ass. He's calling you at an ASS expert. If you're an answer my questions Charlie's angels are three smart tough bad ass sexy women Natalie Cook played by Cameron Diaz Dylan Sanders played by Drew Barrymore and Alex Munro played by Lucy Liu. They were brought together by the faceless Charlie Townsend to work for him as private is managed by John Bosley played by Bill Murray. They're hired by Kelly Lynch's character. Vivian would vivians business. Partner is software genius. Eric Knox played by Sam Rockwell Knox's gone missing possibly kidnapped by business rival rival Roger Corwin played by Tim Curry Vivian hires the angels to Find Knox going undercover the angels are attacked by a creepy thin guy with a hair fetish play Crispin Glover he leads the angels to Knox who was kidnapped possibly by Corwin so the angels hack core with system to see if he stole knocks voice recognition software but this was all a ruse knocks believes his father was killed by Charlie during the Vietnam War he used the angels so he could take control of Charlie satellite system which combined signed with Knox's voice recognition software could trace Charlie to any location Knox was partnered with Vivian and the thin man they kill Corwin and try to kill all the angels Joel's even Dylan who knocks just bedded they kidnap not kill Bosley to use his laptop to control four wins satellites the angels infiltrate Knox's Oxes Base Natalie rescues Bosley and Fights Vivian Alex Fights and beats the thin man and Dylan serves as a distraction but then kicks a bunch of henchmen ass knocks escapes the helicopter ready to fire a heat-seeking missile at Charlie but the angels catch up by boat and rewire the missile to kill knocks mission accomplished the girls sit on a beach with a recovering recovering Bosley and is congratulated by Charlie as credits roll and before credit start. We get a cold opening starring someone I he did not remember in this movie at all. Ll Cool J. Yeah. I don't remember a whole lot about this film. Remember Crispin Glover. He's GonNa drive a race car and there's a scene that I remembered because of my mom's reaction we saw this but one thing I do remember is this really did feel like a mission. Impossible parody will get the whole scene going into the server server room and all that so as soon as L. Cool Janet. Remember him being here. I'm like okay. That's one of the angels in a mass yeah. I just remember that mission impossible by on this film it had the same Makeup Cup guide to. I think there was some fun playfulness with those masks off the Tom Cruise film and it might have been reinforced by the fact that they lost their actress attending Newton mission impossible to yeah. We're GONNA find out that. Ll Cool J. is really one of the angels and what this guy's got. A bomb strapped to them so they got to get him out of the plane but if feels like there's way more effort at times. I we'll talk about some of the green screen in this but at times feels like make g's working real hard to do something really scorsese up this film. We'll get this opening shot following. Ll Cool J. around the plane and it's like a single. Take and you're seeing like you know all these little. I guess maybe funny funny moments going on on the side like a couple of the bathroom and the joined the Mile Club but putting way more effort than I would expect to see Charlie's angels film. It's cool that they do that. Single shot out of the plane they jump out of the plane. They still having cut presumably. There's actually two cuts did a breakdown of this on the DVD. There's a couple couple of camera tricks but it does make it look like a complete shot that was mccheese vision his first film yeah. He's GonNa have delusions of Scorsese. I guess at the beginning if they really did that that plane crash with the jump out the window yeah well. They opened the door. You don't open the door. midflight people get sucked out anything that wasn't like strapped strapped in. We get sucked out and it would probably create a fluid hammer. This is a fun opening. I mean L. O. J. Jumping out of a plane and then somebody else jumping out of a helicopter. You come down to Cameron Diaz in a tiny bikini on speedboats in front of a blue screen. It is the worst blues creed and at the end. They're going to be on the beach. I'm going to see him run into the ocean. I'm like Nice. Don't think Greenspan. I pay are not really on the beach. It looks so bad at times even when they're in real locations and is that intentional because when we watched the pilot last week some of the set backdrops were real bad oh yeah there's obviously painted backdrops in that pilot episode like embarrassingly looking baited sets so I wonder is this green screen stuff. That just didn't translate well video or is this intentionally the fake looking because they wanted to bring some of that humor of the original show. I mean this is a first time director TV property yeah I mean. I bet it was a hard. It sell it to say well. I need the tits to Jiggle in front of this screen. This was almost one hundred million dollar production really yeah wow okay so they. I had the money now I already put what twenty five million dollars of it towards salaries of actresses yeah that's where it seems most of it when but yeah we get this cold the open it reminds me of James. Bond films because this bomb never matters is just to show us these women kick some ass and save the day but you know what should matter sadder that mask. You don't bring this mission impossible style mask. You don't introduce that even the cold open to not bring it back at some point. I was shocked that they never wear a mask. Ask again to fool someone the one place they could have used it now that you're bringing it up. It's never bothered me but when they break into the place and Cameron Diaz and Drew Barrymore pretending to be men with some obvious. It's PAT facial hair. YES NASCAR would've been more believable for that than what they had going on but it's never bothered there'd be because this is called. Opening does have very little to do with what comes later I agree. It's just weird like that movie logic. Though you introduce a mask in the first act you gotta to bring that back and especially because they are going to do so much mission impossible stuff. Is there really a place where no it's just a gag. I guess at the beginning that this big black man is really dylan. Drew Barrymore little white girl more important to me than the mask is the stilts that had to have been involved for that wash bodysuit. He's a big guy like look. I got a lot complaints about the wire at work and the green screen but I'll give him drew barrymore could be. Ll Cool J. my question. Is this a parody. Is this a parody of mission impossible and the action films of the dime the wire food that was becoming popular and the John Woo style. Do we judge this as an action filmed. The tagline was get some action or is this just supposed to be a comedy of fun comedy where taking it seriously and wondering about. Chekhov's mask is over analyzing yeah. I would never say to take this film seriously. I don't think the film wants the audience to do that. Do think this is more. It's an action comedy. I we'll be talking about Jackie. Chan later with rush hour for platinum level donors but I do feel like you watch Jackie Chan like his best Hong Kong films. They are comedies like you think think of it as doing crazy stunts and Phuc but they're action comedies. You're supposed to laugh a lot of the time. Adam and I feel this movie is working in that same realm where it's supposed to be more funny me than adrenaline charging but I think the Adrenalin is there when they jump out of the window and Motley crews livewire starts playing there really the bringing in a lot of heavy metal glam metal dance music fast paced UPTEMPO stuff to get your adrenaline going yeah. We're going to get project. Smack your bitch up. I'm like wow that's taking me back to the turn of the millennium but so much of this music just because we're talking about it like it does feel like they had a database database of songs and they just type in keyword angel at Angel in the title. They probably used it in this of course. Why wouldn't you do it repeatedly repeatedly when prodigy does come on. I'm like wait. This doesn't have the word angel in it. I'm shocked. They're easy song. Wake me up before you go. I love rock and roll. I want money I I did. They're kind of building off. What Drew Barrymore had with the wedding singer. Aren't they going back to a lot of eighties hits. Yeah we're GONNA get Barracuda and this it's all over the place at from this cold hold open we then have the TV opening with Charlie giving his monologue of three bright talented young women and we get to see how different they Dr Drew Barrymore was a punk rebel with a broken arm smoking in the bathroom and flipping off the camera and Cameron Diaz was adore with braces who drove onto wheels than one a bunch of money on jeopardy and Lucy Liu. I can't figure out she's an equestrian astronauts. She's rich. Yes she was. She's a rich spoiled pampered person. Yeah and I'm thinking specialties like each girl's. GotTa have her specialty. I'm kind of thinking. This is telling me okay the stunt driver. I Dunno someone that's good with horses and a rebel. They don't really go into specialty territory here which is weird because Alex Lucy lose characters. It seems to be the computer demo expert. She's the one cut and all the wires and acting. I think that they have specialties. That just aren't all that well defined they. They all can fight. They all can go undercover. They can all showoff their bodies to distract the enemy men but I do think Alex is more. The techie and Natalie is more driver and Drew Barrymore is maybe it's because she's the producer but I kind of feel she's the leader to she's the one planning the ops yeah and I also thought she was more into the different logistics of things to you know. She's also the tomboy though we'll see them. Go to a drive drive-thru. She'll be like three burgers three five three shakes. What do you want you know. I think she's supposed to have that kind of energy. Whatever woman you like whatever fetish you have above one of these three should fit yeah blonde. Brunette redhead White Cameron Diaz Hispanics. You've got that last name. She's actually Cuban okay Latin. I'll put it that way Asian yeah. It's got it all like leather core sets US everything but I do wonder about Dylan's story arc in this like we'll see Natalie Adderley. She's dreaming of being a dancer and she's really kind of a Klutz in real life and Alex has issues with her boyfriend Matt. Leblanc is a struggling actor. I guess you'll always play Joey a struggling actor and she's having a hard time like revealing who she really is. I don't really know Dylan. Story ARC is here like she sleeps with Sam Rockwell Rockwell. We get a little bit more her backstory in part two and I got the feeling like she just didn't get one either. Drew wanted to focus on the others or they're saving something back. I didn't know if they knew they were getting a sequel but we do get more of hers in the Second One. You have blown my mind that you remember the second one I do not. I'm like what what I've never seen the second. What do you guys want to know about it I can. I haven't even seen it recently. I it's probably been US sometime. This year comes to Charlie's. Angels recent is much different. We measurement for Marjorie. It's a matter of weeks. I think the ARC is very vague but it has something to do with Tom. Green or as he calls himself here the Chad Chad which would be so in the news. We would be when this movie came out about three weeks before a hanging. Chad was all over the news. I was wondering Yeah Weird this lined up with the has this election joke but I guess it was right before that spoiler. I think there are divorced by the time the second one came out and there's no Chad in the second one just just like there'd be no. Tom Green career in three years but at the beginning she's like makeup smeared waking up in the chads boats and he's like was it the food was a at the was it the Chad and I think it might be the checks. He keeps calling her starfish and she goes yeah. It was the Chad later on going to say the Chad is wonderful after sleeping with Knox and realizing she's attracted to the wrong guy. Maybe maybe okay maybe she realizing she used to settle down with a nice guy who cooks her breakfast not the kind of hot guy who shoots her out a window but none of them have arc's per se the character development here seems to be around them much like the TV series you're supposed to. I think be able to come in in part to and not have a lot of questions about part one John. I mean Cameron. Diaz loves to dance around her apartment and boy pants in the first scene and loves to dance in front of People Midway through the movie. Let me ask you a question about that scene because yes. She's dancing around in her underwear. She dreams about being a seventies. Do the Hustle Type Dancer Weird. I think she just wants to be in big dance numbers. I mean she did that in the mass. She had a big swing number but maybe she's pining for those dish. She's a dancer that's right. She is a dancer in that one. She's a dancer in real life. I think that helps with a lot of the wires yeah yeah. She's a dance. She's a train dancer. Okay I was not aware that this film when it comes to its level of Julius or sexiness and I feel like it's going to really work for thirteen year old boy or thirteen year old girl who's into girls. I don't want to exclude anyone in this day and age. It worked very well for certain twenty five year old boy. Okay okay see that working for a twenty year old. I just watching it now. I'm like when I think about and look these are just weird false memories. I have with the original. Charlie's angels talked about it. Last time I watched that pilot and I watched a couple episodes. When I was a kid but my impression it was just had a little bit more sophistication sophisticated Decatur sexiness and this is like hey stick something in my slot anytime and it's like this is the kind of humor we're doing. This was like a really weird time where we had. There's something about Mary which I think brought women into acceptable body humor and this was an extension of that just happened to be Cameron Diaz but it was this time period period where it was like oh it's okay girls can make Dick Jokes and still be funny and cute and sexy and that's where it gets with hers because she's body. She's allegedly sexy and she's completely oblivious to saying things like that. She's supposed to be the dumb one also in this yeah no. I get that like she doesn't realize she's making these sexual innuendo. She's not dumb per se because she won jeopardy and she is described as brilliant by Charlie in the opening but she's dumb. She's the blonde when it comes to men. She's not articulate. Yes she's unaware that she's turning men on and she's unaware of what to do when she finds a guy and wants turn him on. She does not know how to use her sexiness as well as the other two whereas Lucy Liu apparently knows how to use her sexiness but doesn't know how to use her oven. As the've repeated joke here is that she can't cook to the point where she's going to be making a souffle and my wife is just like when's it. GonNa Fall into the joke but yeah she's making rock-hard. Muffins like we see this muffing toss through a wall and she's disappointed. People won't eat them. Have a little self awareness like if you're muffin is going through drywall. You should be eating eating that and that's what I'm saying like okay. These are jokes but they're not very sophisticated. They're aiming very young. It feels like Oh there's not sophisticated humor or anything in this movie absolutely not I think a lot of the humor comes from bringing in a comedic actor while all of our actresses have done comedy before they've also done some drama and things things but bringing in Bill Murray here who is known for his comedy to me. He's the biggest star in this film. I mean Cameron. Diaz has made a lot of money but she she was an up and comer drew barrymore had been famous than wasn't and was coming back. We've already discussed Lucy Liu but bill. Murray is a huge star to play Bosco awesome yeah. I don't know where he was at this point in his career. I hear now. He just has a phone line and you have to know a secret number to call him. If you want them to do a role that has always been the case. They didn't even know if he was. GonNa show up on stripes. Oh really okay. He's always been a Prima Donna then unreliable. He'll say he'll do your movie but leave you hanging and when you start filming you're just crossing your fingers. He's GonNa the show up. That's hilarious. That was the case here too. They like had somebody else in the wings in case Murray didn't show up to play Bosley. Who Do you hire it as has the standby for Bill Murray in case he doesn't show up Joel Murray Brian Doyle Murray now. I can't remember who they had but I do remember Mickey discussing sweating sweating it out at this time and he was doing a bit more posh films rushmore had come out by this point and that was seen as a big career return for him. Yeah Rushmore was I think a big one and before that the last thing I think really paid attention to amend was ninety six kingpin the fairly brothers I know. Are you guys love that one. I do love that movie but it was after this. He gets more artsy next year. Royal Tenenbaums and then couple years later lost in translation he he gets tricked into doing Garfield but here I was most excited going into theaters to see him. Oh yeah he's always consistently gently good in everything he does a here. I kind of like his blase attitude. He's the one man in this movie who does not care how attractive or sexy or scantily clad these three women are. He's like a father figure yeah I do that. He plays it that way like we'll get the three girls and high charlie like they're doing doing that. Sex Appeal thing I guess that's actually straight from the TV series all the way angels every episode yeah. I know again it just when these three do it. It just sounds more valley girl to me than anything. It's their delivery but yeah. I like that Bill Murray's version of Bosley and then maybe it was like the TV show. I don't see Bosley hooking up with Arafat's at that actor that he's kind of aloof to like their looks and one thing you may not notice I didn't until I was seeing the bonus features. This is intended to be a continuation of the Charlie's angels TV series. Is that why no one has the same name because that confused me. I'm like okay which one is. Drew Barrymore supposed to be fair Faucet. I can't be camera. Di Yeah she doesn't have the hair. She barely has any here. Luke Wilson got more eerie this bill would they tell cameras to do hair flip. I'm like here to here but yeah none of them have the same name so this is the next generation yeah there's a photo behind Bosley of the original angels there and they even did this set to be just like Bosley office from the TV show with the thinking of Charlie sent down a decorator and said modernize it even still have a television that comes down from the ceiling the way that slide projector did in the pilot speaker box so they really look at this as continuing the story and that's why they get John forsythe eight back as the voice of Charlie giving them their mission just like he did week after week on the TV show and this mission seems pretty straightforward. We talked with that pilot. We weren't quite sure what the mission was note. This time Software Guy Eric Knox's missing the angels immediately think it's his business partner Vivian. No she's their client. She's worried about Eric and they think the bad guy is tim curry and why wouldn't Tim Curry. Be Your bad guy. I mean he was it it and he was the bad guy in Mikhail's navy. He kind of gotten a reputation for playing bad guy roles yeah. He plays a good slide all right. We'll see you at the beginning here. He's going to Madame Wong's to get some massages. Either Madame Wong's happy ending kind of place yes because that's what he alluded detail. Tim Curry's going there. Definitely I just confused why Madam Long Look. I don't want to get into stereotypes. That's probably a Chinese name and then we got Lucy Liu yelling Banzai which is a Japanese knees word or getting their cultures mixed up here good point. I didn't put that together. I don't think this film really cares about that. We'll see lots of cultural appropriation going on at Ed. Lucy Liu is American. I mean so she's a guest doing her culture no favors or just having fun with it but yes she dresses like a geisha to to give this massage but she's certainly not going to play to the Asian sexy stereotype he wants her hands on him as she's going to jump on his back and twister heels so that he passes out and I do like the Innuendo. I could use someone like you on my staff. My hands aren't going anywhere near your staff made me laugh. It's groner owner yeah. I feel like everything that should be sexy or titillating here. Just doesn't do anything for me. It skews a little too young. I think this all goes into. There's a fetish for everybody in this movie. I'm waiting for my fetish than to show up for me. Also I can be propelled by a great soundtrack. I'M GONNA put a capital g gray soundtrack because seeing all three of them dressed as geishas which is hysterical to see Whiter Than White Cameron Diaz and Drew Barrymore in that that garb while turning Japanese is playing. I know exactly what they're doing there. I'm having fun. Each song is something that's making me smile because us most of it is I haven't heard in a while now they are going to bring in some nineties dance pop later on but here it does seem like they're pulling deep cuts from the jukebox and through this. I'm not quite sure how it happens but they go from stealing a copy of core wins key eh to being in a car with the printer that prints and enhanced photo of Crispin Glover. I wish this felt more tongue in cheek than just lazy at times. I'm because they're like look. There's a reflection in the rear view mirror computer enhance. I'm just like really we're doing this. We're doing the computer. That's going to enhance the image that would be so pixelated plated but it's GonNa come out crystal clear. It's crispin. Glover reminded Arnie that when this movie came out it was a big F in deal that we'd have four megapixel camera uh-huh. I remember that when you can get up to four megapixel yeah almost photo quality but isn't this giving you what you want. Jacob you complained in the pilot that there weren't enough spy gadgets a car printer that can enhance pixelated yeah no. I don't mind like the car printer. It's just the enhanced computer enhance I go back to that. Blade runner seen gene that goes on for about fifteen minutes per keeps enhancing. I if this is just going to be mission impossible parody then that's fine not another mission impossible movie. I don't like like those kind of movies. If it's GonNa have some fun and a sense of style of its own but also you know poking fun at cruised it then I get on with that. I just feel like there's a very very inconsistent tone and style throughout Phil. I hate to agree because by cars on the table. I love this movie and so it's killing me to see its flaws but these kinds of movies. I expect there to be things oh come on. It's stupid fun if it wasn't skewing for such a young age the humor than I could get on board with it. There's plenty of times times where it's tongue in cheek. It's poking fun at the Genre Conventions Iky. Get on board with that. It's that this one feels like a mad magazine. Parody and I love mad magazine exist. I loved it when I was twelve though and I've tried reading a while. It's not around anymore but I tried reading it in my later years and it just never came off his funny. Yeah I mean I agree with you. On mad magazine Kazini Ear they go to this party core wins having and they take Bosley along as a self help guru who's rich enough to get into the Bardi. There are subplots in this this movie that I enjoy watching but yet narrative -Ly I don't see why they're why is Luke Wilson at this party as a bartender tender and we're going to see Cameron Diaz Smitten and then follow them on their first day to go nowhere yeah. I don't understand why this whole scene turns into into a Rom. com all the sudden with a joke about Bill Murray and Tim Curry putting on inflatable sumo wrestler suits. I think the Luke Wilson thing was there because they're trying to show you. They're still girls are still feminine. They still have their lives. Even though there are these worldwide spies and everything their shirts are always unzipped to their belly button. I'm well aware that they're women okay fair enough but yeah I agree. It's just each of them has a relationship story but we said that the characters I just don't have an arc but of the three it's Dylan's relationship. That's going to matter to their mission. I think what they're trying to say is that Dylan sleeps around. Yes okay. I think so too you and here we're just going to have scenes of Cameron Diaz with Luke Wilson. We mentioned that Natalie Cameron Diaz is the one who doesn't know how to use her sexuality. The women have to tell her to do the hair flip there and she makes a date with him but the sumo wrestling is again. What tells me this film is a comedy think about what Drew Barrymore had been primarily merrily making never been kissed the wedding singer pretty broad comedies which is fine to make this a comedy but is this a funny joke. They cut the less funny one before the sumo wrestler. The contest they had was a game of Marco Polo in a swimming pool where they splashed each other with water bill Murray and Tim Curry. Wow Okay Eh. I'm glad they're having fun on set. It did look like the actors enjoyed it but it also was pretty silly. No everyone is smiling. Throughout this film I think Mckee through a great party Casper and it is onscreen. I will not deny them that. Bill Murray you can't keep him to script. He's going to do his own thing. Tim Curry's able to keep up with them and yet the action does continue here lest. We have too many jokes before we get to the action. All of a sudden Natalie is going to see Crispin Crispin Glover smoking a cigarette with his hair looking like he walked right out of the fifties back to the future seen. Let's Kinda just what his hair looks like. Crispin Glover is great like the way he just stands when he's smoking a cigarette. Just let me watch him for ninety minutes. He is a fantastic villain because I think he takes the script and pisses on it and does whatever he wants. He doesn't say anything in this whole film right. That's his whole thing is. He got the part then went to. GM was like I don't want my character to talk. I WANNA cut all his lines. I want him to be recycle. Yes that he's like and I want them to have a hair fetish. I want them to rip women's hair and sniff it see I love all that stuff. Yeah Makes G. and Drew Barrymore anymore. We're both like go with it. Crispin just go with it and honestly I think he is one of the reasons. This movie is very memorable to me and this movie is one of the reasons I like Crispin Glover as much as I do is because he is so weird and he is so ironic and action star. I mean you would never expect to see crispin. Glover do wire wire Fu and flipping over fences. We're going to get a big chase and then they're going to face off the thin man I guess as he's called never gets a name either. No lines no name crepe piece in man yes. He's going to face off against the angels and we're we're going to get some wire Fu. I think he looks pretty good doing a and look. I don't want to blame any of the actors I think this is on the director making taking this wire. Fu Look good. Maybe that wasn't the point though maybe they wanted this to look like wire Fu but it's pretty amateur looking to me but it wasn't that kind of the style of fighting fighting yeah like Jackie Chan will use wires when I'm watching the scene. I'm like okay that was probably a wire but there's a way to sell it and these are actors who are not martial show artists. They probably spent a day training to do this choreography so they spent three months three months. Okay what doing this wire work. I kind of think the wires do all the work. I'm actually impressed with how much they still have to do. The wireless them up. Oh no you have to do a lot yeah. They still have to activate their core and be able to do flips on their own and things the wire just suspends them but they have to do a Lotta the moving and things and I think they do pretty well now. John Woo hates. It's this movie because he said there's no doves. There is a dove. I actually think they parody John. Woo later on during the car race. There is a dove. Oh that's right. There is there but he said that this movie had obvious wire work which made audiences laugh at wire work and unable to take it seriously yes. That's exactly it. This whole whole movie is responsible for that. This is coming after where I consider the American breakthrough of wire work the matrix. I think the Matrix looks better. I mean we had Crouching Tiger Hidden in Dragon. I think around this time that is known for it so I work because it just people flying around on the trees. There's a way to shoot it. There's a way to bring that physicality about and look these are not martial martial artists and Mickey. This is first thing not an action director. There's a way to go about doing this. I guess it's fine as possible but it is funny like I do laugh at this because it's not Napa Greatest Work Mick would go on to make the show chuck a show. I really enjoyed and it would employ the same kind of thing there where you have this nerdy guy who would would go onto places. Am Zachary Levi and he would be doing wire work and all of these stunts but constantly he had this look on his face of. Oh my God I'm able to do this and it was supposed to be silly here. I think it's along that same vein supposed to be a bit of a joke that these women who have seen so far to be very feminine imminent they all have their relationships one of them's trying to bake their flirting with guys. This is our first time seeing that they can kick ass and I think it is supposed to be highly stylized dialyzers. I think this is what he intended to do now. Whether you wanted what he gave you is the second question yeah. It does not engage me on an action level. All all say that because I feel it's like a little part and like Cameron Diaz I know I'm hating on her la but like every time she stops to do this pose at so exaggerated on my they had to have like a series series of Bruce Lee poses and she'd pick once. You've got those like legs spread apart doing these stance it it just it feels a bit to pose a bit too on the nose like music at times. I enjoy watching the choreography again. I'm going to just admit my bias. The music's carrying me a lot. It feels well choreographed. You're grafted feels flu. Yes smack your bitch up. I like that song so despite the wire work it's got crispin. Glover has got the G so I'm going with it. Crispin Glover with a cane sword. Thank you saving the scene for me. He is really an underrated actor and I think he gets a bad rap a lot. We were like ooh weird weird guy but that's what makes him fabulous yeah. No I agree but we're at the end of Act One somehow the thin guy lead them to a locked door and behind it was Eric Knox Knox all tied up and they wonder did corwin steal his software so we're going to put on half buttoned race car outfits show off offer cleavage liquor steering wheel. Thank you so gross when they find Eric Knox doesn't that give the whole plot away again. I don't I've seen this but I don't remember much of that and was soon as they found Sam Rockwell Mike Okay so he's the bad guy and he setting the angels up to get this from. Tim Curry's character Corwin. It just tells me everything oh it blew my mind that plot Rubio in the theater. I was like Whoa I couldn't believe that they twisted it because I was so convinced. Tim Curry was the bad guy. Tim Curry's always the bad guy. Jim Carey's a great bad guy. They've been investigating for so long. I was convinced insist that it was going to be him all along. I guess I wasn't thinking about it very critically. I mean I'll be honest when Drew Barrymore is sitting in that car with the air conditioning blowing honor. I'm not really thinking I'm just enjoying yeah. Somehow they get on a pit crew like that seems like it'd be very hard to do than they have their hair down. Put that stuff up. You're going to get cotton. Cotonou spoke. That's an Osha hazard there. They all got their jumpsuits unzipped to their navels. I'm surprised they didn't fall out when she's in that scene with talking to the Bentley driver. There had to be tape right. There just had to be yes. That's how you keep that the way it is and there's these little invisible adhesive things that you put underneath your boobs to keep them up. It's it's like an invisible bra and then you have the fabric tape to keep it there so you just like give a peak of it. This is why we needed a woman on the show. Is it wrong that I like it when she likes the steering wheel. It's Kinda. It is Kinda Gross. It's gross. I just like the drivers not even do. He wipes that thing off because it's Corwin car. He's afraid of getting fired right but yeah. They plant a camera with car again. Not entirely sure how that helps the plot but we get another action scene here. Everytime Crispin Glover shows is up. It's my favorite scene in the movie. Here shows up. He's got the red hair because he ripped some off of Dylan earlier. He's rubbing it all over himself. uh-huh yeah. I would've never thought I'd see Crispin. Glover you know I expect him to be some creepy. Weirdo and with rats and Willard or whatever but to see Crispin Crispin Glover race car that does not seem like it is wheelhouse but yes pun intended but apparently it is it was very much an all around just kinda henchman you you know he could do many different things but again suspend reality. Just enjoy the movie. Oh No. I'm all for like whatever Crispin Glover wants to do. Let him do it. Yes yes. I love the lane patriotism. That Natalie is chasing him in an American flag formula. One racing car. I mean remember number. This is pre nine eleven freedom fries America yet just this all American Cuban girl chasing after the car with the Red Star on it. US versus Russia's certainly implied and like the editing they're where they go past the cars and cars passing but it's his car her car his car her car it again kind of fun and Yeah I think this is one of the better shot action scenes this car chase and this is where the dove comes in they face off on the bridge and the dove of flying away seems to be their moment to realize they need to play chicken at first. I thought I'm like Oh well the thin man he's dead right like he fell off that there's no way but he's GonNa come back like I guess it's just to get him out of the scene. It shows a victory and it makes you wonder if he's dead. When he comes back. It's supposed to be unshockable a shock but you think they lost their their lead here but they found out enough that they have to go undercover. They have to break into Red Star. Tim Curry's company to do that. They have to get a fingerprint and a retinal scan leading to one of the most head-scratching fun scenes. I've just laughing because it's ridiculous. Yeah I get the angels being belly dancers. I that's fine but the angels including Lucy Liu as these little German girls singing well Bosley there the fake moustache to again what they're going for. It's just not obviously it's not working for me at supposed to be silly. It's supposed to be sacked. See it just mostly silly to me. This is where it just yells out. Loud that we're GONNA GONNA do mission impossible like we're GONNA break in to get the NOC list. We're GONNA make it even more ridiculous. They gotta get out the ice scan and the fingerprints and if you stand on the ground more than a a quarter of a second you set off the alarm yeah something about you have to be invisible going through one room this. I remember chuckling at when I saw it in theaters because yes it is so over the top and I still think it works if you know especially that first mission impossible movie because that's what the riffing on I think this is a pretty good job. Well even have Vivian say when she hears this whole plot like that's impossible. Nothing's impossible if you put Lucy Liu and a dominatrix outfit in a room full of Geek programmers who want Free Co.. Oh apparently and apparently Melissa McCarthy has always played the same role like I saw her name in the opening credits. I'm like Oh this is before. She was anyone like if he wasn't on. SNL In two thousand I don't believe you guys would know better than me but she wasn't actually I told Arnie shoes in this movie and he didn't believe me until the scene and I might watch wait and see and it is Melissa. Listen McCarthy Melissa McCarthy thing. This is what she does absolutely although I think she was also attracted to Alex in that dress by the end of it. She starts by calling her a pitch at the end. She's following Alex around with all the guys. I think we're supposed to see these. Angels can seduce everybody anyone yeah maybe there yet. This is new to me but maybe we'll we'll get there by the end they do get into the room. We get to see not Cameron Diaz. Do some backflips puts on that white suit. I'm like that actress has a but all of a sudden unhappy cameras. Ah I'm sorry you can't touch it for more than a quarter of a second. Don't do handspring's like you got to balance yourself and put your weight in the push off like just just run really fast across it like do big leaps. It wouldn't be as impressive though you are right. It just comes off kind of silly yeah yeah it does when I think about it. I'm just not supposed was to think about it. I know you do not think during this bill what I find funny like they got a hack into the server because Red Star has voiced. DNA like you could identify edify anyone with just their voice. That's Knox's software that they wonder if Red Star has stolen but Knox did this voice. DNA that's unable to be faked. Knox made the software. I Guess Red Star has the satellite so they could actually use it. Yes that's exactly what happened so okay. They needed access. It was all ruse to get the angels they could get access to Red Star. Oh I know because the winds they say voiced. I'm like Oh. They want to find Charlie yeah. Here's where I should would have caught it though because Knox Vivian are together again they're like Oh. We want access to the system. Oh that would be unethical. Only Bosley has access to the system. Well Guess Bosley skating kidnap now. You wonder how many days Bill Murray was on the set with Lucy Liu but he doesn't have a huge part here but we get this interlude where they've gone undercover. I call this section where they go under the covers. It's all about their dating. We just stopped the plot and and we're GONNA see Natalie. Go out with Pete and I didn't even know soul train was still on. Is it still on now. I don't think so and I get that they want females on the stage dance but she's the only one and she's white. I associate soul train. More with African Americans like I'm thinking back to when I was a kid I didn't watch that it was not a whole lot of white people now and it ended in two thousand six all right so it was going on at this time but that's the Joke Jacob is that I love it when she gets up there here. She has no ass. She's dancing to baby got back. The irony is dripping and in her mind everybody is enjoying it but then you get to see the third heard personnel cut where just see all of the African Americans. The music has stopped and they're all staring like what is she it. Doing that is my question. What is the joke here that she's a white girl dancing on soul train that she someone with no but dancing to baby got back. I thought the joke going to cut away and she's dancing like Elaine. Benes on Seinfeld should keeps dancing the way she's dancing and then they get into it. I don't even know what the joke is. A joke joke is and it's not really a joke. It's that she's likable. She's lovable. She likes to have fun. She has no shame she's having the best time of her life and wins everyone else over which which is. I think we're supposed to get out of the character because she's goofy. She does lack self awareness. That's what we see in every single scene whether she's answering for the ups driver in underwear underwear or dancing on soul train she lack self awareness but she's so pure that nobody's going to judge her for they're. GonNa Start Chanting. Go white a girl go white girl. She's lovable allegedly and then the scene that is less impactful is Alex baking the souffle getting ready to tell Jason that she is a spy revealed her true identity that she is not a sexy bikini wax. Yeah you get the scene where at at the same time they're all with their men. They're also having assassinations attempts. Put onto them and some guys are. GonNa drive up to that trailer how they know she's there. I don't know but they shoot it up and she does that move where she spreads her legs and arms out so she could stick to the ceiling and not get shot. They try to fake us out because we see the scene scene with Jason with a woman at a table having a conversation and then somebody does a drive by shooting and the woman dies and Jason Screams up to the sky like Wolverine No once he does that you know it's a movie set guarantee you if they were GonNa Shoot Lucy Liu in this movie you would see her face la banks but they they wanNA fake us out and here's my problem okay. We're GONNA shoot up the trailer and the souffles GonNa fall and then the trailer is GonNa. Fall in have nothing seems fresher. I get that that they're going for this humor this cheeky tone but it just feels like jokes from the seventies like. I don't know what's fresh grasp onto with this film to me what was fresh. Although spoiler alert for the movie scream scream did do this I but I was very shocked that we find out. Knox is a bad a guy because they're going to have romance there and it shocked me when they did it in scream. It shocked me when they did it here that the woman slept with the guy who was evil and it was. It's all a false pretense thing well. She's got to sleep with them because we got more data dump to go. Regatta Expand Knox's motivation a little bit more something about his dad being shot in a war four and in a photo. You can't see his dad's partners face who supposedly shot him. I'm like well okay. Obviously it's Charlie because we're not showing the face yeah I figured that one out to even even the first time because of the face but says he worked military intelligence and he was killed by someone there yet here pretty much if you're thinking thinking about it. You know what's really going to happen before. Vivian even shows up Vivian had been off seducing Bosley. I mean even Bosley getting some play which I think is. It's funny. You have vivians trying to Bosley like something about a glow in the dark dress. I don't maybe that's a fetish. Maybe that's sexy. I don't know I don't WanNa see a glow in the dark address. That'd be weird just a floating towards to me. I think she's fulfilling the milk Fetish but Bill Murray like guilt at this point. I get that but I'm saying if you WANNA see a sexy. The older woman versus the sexy stars of the film but she shows up and knocks. I Love Rockwell in this film because his acting there her he just transforms from nerdy programmer to completely cool suave bad guy whenever rockwell does a little dance. I'm like that's movie. Ever I mean to the Marvin Gaye Song. It is perfect him crispin. Glover make this movie. This is the best scenes I think ever in a movie where he just does his dance. He puts on jacket. The right music plan the way he takes that drag off the cigarette. There's just I mean and yeah he does. The splits the character turn turn and his performance wowed me. I'm GonNa say wowed me as much as any cleavage when I saw this film in two thousand and then the thin man just comes comes out of nowhere to they're all in on it together or they watching them or something because they've obviously had sex because drew's going to walk out with the most elaborate averitt bedsheet. Moga tie up like well. That's basically just like address. At this point. You can't do that with the sheet and she's the one who we think actually gets it. We see that at the same time. Natalie is attacked in the bathroom at soul train as she fights him off and puts boot to his neck and he says Vivian told him to do it and Alex you said she hidden the roof and escaped the bullets but Natalie gets shot and falls out that window will this scene I remember because in the theater not when she gets shot but like when we see our hang in there naked my mom just lost control laughing like where she almost fell out of her seat zt embarrassing she was laughing so loud like the whole time drew's hanging there and then falls down and rose down the hill and then grabs the inflatable pool toys to cover for upper naughty bits to go talk to those boys playing like my mom lost it so whatever I think of this film. I'll always have good memories because it brought my mom just some incredible joy for the scene and a bit of Trivia the house she goes up to where the two boys are playing video games and having the perfect conversation for this movie. I've seen a lot of boobs have I have not have to that is the same house where they shot E. T. as so they put an et poster up on the wall so you have drew barrymore knocking on the House that she acted in as a little girl only now. She's all grown up naked. That's fun gag and in case anybody thinks Marjorie and I were talking when we watched this movie is that Tony Stark's house that is the Hollywood hills yeah well. If you take a Hollywood bus tour. There is a house that the point at you and say it's the Tony Stark House or they'll. I'll say it's the house that Sam Rockwell used in Charlie's angels. Neither of those houses are real. I hate to shatter illusion. Those are all. CGI houses man. There's a house similar similar in the Hollywood hills that inspired both of these yeah. There's a famous house like that that I've seen so I just assumed they I'm sure it's rented out all the time for movies so I assumed assumed it was that yeah. It's probably cheaper just build. CGI If we're going to have people fall out of it. Is it a cheat that they rewind the film and do it. I mean and isn't that what they did. In Funny Games yeah and Funny Games they just like straight up talked to the audience and rewind the movie this. It's just a stylish way again. Majia may because he's a first time director. We're going to take some Scorsese. We're just gonNA pull from everyone that he likes and do a lot of weird mishmash styles and this is one of them like let's go back and see how she's actually still alive and get some bullet time straight out of the Matrix including the shot of the bullet rippling the air around it as it travels towards her. Are we see she falls out the window but his hanging there. Nobody bothers to look for a body. Yes she falls down naked in your mother loses control uh-huh and the three women reunite at the agency it blows up to that same agency that had been in Houston seventy six. It's gone John but Bosley is just captured. The three women needs a knuckle up and go save the day and who do they need. They need the Chad because it needs boat. They're totally using I boat yeah. They need a boat but they can't use a speedboat because they gotta be undercover or something yeah. It doesn't make any sense 'cause speedboat would get there too fast. Whereas a big tugboat? Oh were they say they have to go and California is a six hour drive on land from La taking a boat boats unless you gotta speedboat not going. It's fast as a car but I guess time is not of the essence here no but this is where the whole plot is killed. Charlie Avenge Knox's Dad. I don't know how how much he spent to get Vivien onboard with this other. We're finding out Vivian is sleeping with him and the thin man he never speaks. We never know his motivation. He is just like odd Ajab from bond and we get in there and they break in. We get the showdowns. Alex goes to the roof to try to stop the transmission from the call from Charlie but she fails because she's attacked by the thin man and Dylan is I guess red herring because she allows herself to be captured and Knox reveals feels is evil plan before leaving her with Henchman Natalie's off to save Bosley and fight Vivian but she's a call from Pete and wants to see you're supposed to like we really excited. It's funny. It's fun to see in the middle of this. She considers Pete as important as rescuing Bosley and saving Charlie's life as she is the smart mart one. She's the one who knew the bird. She heard over the call from Bosley that tells them where they are. Yes and again another body because it was a nut hatch supposed to be funny. She got excited about a nut hatch because it's not yeah. I didn't even get that as funny truth is that's not a pygmy not hatchets at different kinds of bird out well. Now we know who the real bird watcher is. It wasn't a Bosley in that pilot film. It's Arnie to ever wrote the IMDB Trivia during all this action at the end. You know we got the three girls. They each have their action piece the one that gets me excited. I'll say I got titillated. A little bit is we got drew Barrymore Four. She's tied to that share you know she's got her legs spread out. She's been able to get those free. She got them spread out to hold the guys back then. She's like okay. I'm going to tell you exactly how this is going to go down on. I'm gonNA break your nose and do this and do that and then I'm gonNA moon walk out of here and then again. Not The greatest kung-fu wire work here but it's passable but the fact that she said she's GonNa Moon well yeah. She just walks backwards suck you. Maybe you can find someone that could moonwalk and just cut to their feet. This is awful. I could could not forgive the film for this. I think it's her shoes. I think the boot she's wearing you cannot moonwalk in as she just does this backward dance but yes it bothered me in theaters like like that ain't no moonwalk so upset about it the other thing. I find extremely annoying besides that Moonwalk is we're told that knocks has voiced. DNA So he's tracking Charlie. He's you know they got him on the phone. I again love. Sam Rockwell like Bosley not now still waiting all along long like he's sitting there 'cause they gotta track this call and Trace Charlie's voice to me voice. DNA means on the screen Okay Charlie. Is this person no it's. It's just going through the satellite system. It's just a phone trace basically and finding where the phone location is. I'm thinking which is a problem during this movie but Ah what this means is he is now got Charlie's. DNA and while he's tracing his current location if Charlie were to move that'd be able to use that DNA to track the satellite wherever he is without having him on a direct call be a here. You don't need voice. DNA when somebody calls up I'm Charlie okay hold on Charlie. I'm tracing the call. I mean I've I've seen that in a lot of police movies. They've never need voice. DNA software but it's a step away from what Nolan would do with the dark knight many steps but yes Steph is involved with a lot of other ones and what happens with Vivian and the thin man. We don't see them again. They are beaten by the angels and fall down at the castle and then knocks comes up and fires a missile right there. The angels live and we never see the others again. Okay that's why it's this movie so. Add because Z. Sam Rockwell show up in a helicopter with missiles. I don't look maybe Mark Zuckerberg. has this kind of military hardware because he's a super-rich tech guy. I don't know it seems kind of specialized but we'll see SAM. Rockwell's character shoot a missile and it's left ambiguous. They don't close the loop on that. I can't imagine Vivian whatever come back back but I guess they do. Wonder Maybe Crispin Glover was so good they might WanNa. Bring him back for something. Why wouldn't you because he is good and this gets us to the action shouldn't packed climax of the helicopter boat chase well. Maybe the action pack rescreen. It's taken me back to the beginning this film I tell when there's men with wigs hanging it on a cop trucks and Lucy Liu and drew barrymore in front of a green screen yeah. It was pretty bad in this and you know. I'd like to think that today. CGI would would really improve it but it's probably not going to. I feel like this is what he was going for MC. Gee I look when Tarantino does this kind of thing like pulp fiction with Bruce Willis in the back of that taxi and it's obviously rear screen projection like he's going for vibe doing bad green screen. That vibe going for now is an aesthetic. We're all pining for now to feel like we're back in the day for me. The best ending of this film comes in the tower fight where the bell falls in almost hits Vivian and thin man the thin man's my favorite villain so that's going to be my favorite fight yeah when the angels get on the Green Screen speedboat and Lucy lose scream and I'm GonNa win the Teddy Bear while shooting an Arrow to create eight some kind of rope. They can scale up to the helicopter. You know the movie has a benefit. It is only about ninety minutes long so it does not wear out. Its welcome but here at the end. I'm ready for the end. I just wanted to say that you said that line with as much conviction as Lucy Liu did a pretty good impression it was it was pretty good. Yeah it gets an arduous when they got to the Bell Tower or whatever you WanNa call that thing and then afterwards within rerouting the missile. That's the point point where gets a little long. I think because it's short on the comedy yeah it's Drew Carey Wore Punching Sam Rockwell while Lucy Liu what she does. She like activating its heat-seeking abilities abilities on this missile rerouting it so that it shoots the helicopter. I thought that's because she turned on the heat seeking she's ripping out some wires and it says there's something about heat-seeking that helicopters got more of a heat signature than Charlie doesn't as little bungalow on the beach. Even the last scene I think is one of the weakest weakest scenes in the movie with that after they get this all solved and yeah they all come out on the beach and they're laying there and I guess they just don't go anywhere because the next scene they put on bathing suits and are at the beach and having a phone call with Charlie just like the TV series but they want to know. When can we see you charlie just like the TV series Dylan is gonNA gotta look off in the distance and realizes hey the producer of this film. I'm the one who gets to see Charlie but she's not going to tell her friends. They didn't listen actor for that. I that I there's no way away as John Foresight. That's eighty something at this point walking down that beach I thought maybe they find out all the credited actor somehow and but I couldn't find any listing for who this actually was Aaron spelling. I don't know he's even older than John. I think but we get this and unseen and all I can think about was I know. Movies aren't usually shot in order but at what point did Lucy Liu and Bill Murray throw punches at each other yeah. I'm really curious about that. To what is the story here. You keep getting at it okay during the filming of this movie. They're doing a scene bill. Murray rakes character Sir looks at Drew Barrymore's. I get why you're oh it looks at Cameron. Diaz says and this one can act that looks at Lucy Liu but what is she doing here. She cannot read her lines right. That's really neat. I guess it gets on film because nobody yelled cut. It wasn't on on the blooper reel that will see during the credits and apparently people had to restrain Lucy. Liu was flying punches at him. They should the film that fight scene of the most realistic looking on and Drew Barrymore and Cameron Diaz propose. We're like we're getting the fuck Outta here and ran to their trailers. Well Lucy Liu went ballistic and Majia to deal with it. All that is one of the funniest things ever. I feel bad for laughing but she can't act he's right but I mean he he. He complimented Cameron Diaz as acting so. I don't know how right Bill Murray is that's true I guess yeah and also from rumors from the set Mickey. He himself claims Bill Murray headbutted him onset. I would do the same to g after watching this now Murray. His exact quote is that's bullshit. That's complete crap. I don't know why he made that story up. He has a very active imagination. Then then Marie continues no he deserves to die. He should be pierced with a lance headbutted double down on way too dumb bill. That's why we love you know Headbutt stab g with a lance. That's what Murray said as recently as nine still better yeah. He's still harboring that grudge icy and asked about Lucy Liu. All he'll say is he'll dismiss you completely if you're unprofessional and working with him so I guess he's implying. Lucy Lewis Unprofessional no yeah but apparently Bill Murray is is an asshole. We already talked about how he won't get an agents. He may not show up for your movie not to tell us tales out of school but what his wife said in divorce court was he allegedly beat beat her oh and that he's drunkard. I definitely like I love Bill Murray but there's a dark streak there. You could see it in this films. I do believe he's a drunkard she. He said he's an alcoholic and a marijuana addict. ooh. He smokes well. That would make you less likely to punch you that. I can't see those going hand in hand. I'm so stoned on weed. I'm GonNa Punch. You know that that might be crack. Cocaine not weed Weed GonNa make me. I'm so stoned. I'm just GonNa lay here crazy beyond the refer. Oh my God now. I have a whole different view of him yeah so I can't say who's right and WHO's wrong. What I can say is Bill Murray said during ringing after this film I will never work with Lucy Liu again. When it came time for the sequel he told McGee. It's her me next movie different Bosley. Yeah I did look up the cast list for the next one and to see if he was coming back then and no pit. We'll have a new Bosley. I guess the Asian boobs outweighed the man boobs on who came back for the ask but yeah when I see them playing in the beach there the helicopter shot of like she's keeping her distance from Murray. Oh Oh is she a good enough actress to play like she's having a good time with this guy who insulted earn front of everybody no no. She is not if so he's wrong but that was the big behind the scenes gossip. I watched several scenes like the scene with the Chinese throwing muffins where she snuggled under Bill Murray's arm and I'm I'm like Oh this had to be before he and right now the first day of shooting but before we start throwing things at each other Marjorie Jacob. Do you recommend Charlie's angels two thousand Marjorie. Hell Yeah I do. I mean this was a really great movie. It's stupid. It's fun the only difference between this and like something something like fast and furious or eighteen stars women instead of men if we don't get dumb action movies with women a lot at all. I don't think tomb raider the next year Erin Yeah. I didn't really care for Tomb Raider. It was so I'm not saying it says good. I'm saying Dumb Action Movie. They knew what kind of movie they are making and it worked it. It does get a little tedious at the end when they get to the bell tower but it's still a stupid fun movie. It's something to put on you know watching TV. Maybe have some popcorn with it or even when you're doing stuff around the house like vacuuming or cleaning. It's something to have on a good familiar movie. I really liked the Charlie's angels franchise and I think this is really good. I recommend it Jakup Jakup. I WanNa like this franchise. I really do and I know a lot of complaints in this one. I guess I'm just looking for. I don't know if more sophisticated is the right word but just more totally consistent and I do feel like big g through Great Party and that is on the screen you know despite fistfight between Lou and Bill Murray. It looks like everyone's having a great time but for me I guess it comes down to the humor in that is always very subjective and there's not enough camp here for me to buy into some some of the cheesiness with the bad blue screen effects and not enough sexiness to make these innuendos really fun to hear. They're just very obvious and that's where it just kind of breaks down on and fails for me. It does a lot of things but it doesn't really do any of them that great but I could see the entertainment value here for me. There are three angels in this film Crispin Glover Sam Rockwell Willem Bill Murray like they all have at least one great seen that I really enjoyed them in but that's a problem when this is supposed to be about girl power and the female action stars I just I don't find them very interesting. I don't think this film has a lot of ambitions. I can't get too upset at it but it is up week not recommend. This movie was a lot of fun for me as a young man and it's fun for different reasons for me now. Is it a great movie absolutely not but I can't deny it's infectious. Vaughn I every time now I see it and I do watch this not as often as Marjorie when I say I haven't seen it. Recently I mean a few years. It's a good music video for you right. It is actually I I did see. I was channelled living like a month and a half ago. The soul train scene was on and I'm like Oh yeah. I'm GonNa Watch the funny soul train scene and I'm going to watch some of the rest in the climax came and I'm like I. I actually turned it off after and that's kicking your ass. I've watched that part of the movie just for Pure Fun. I think movie is gone. I think the acting is exactly exactly what it needs to be for this movie with Crispin Glover Bill Murray and Sam Rockwell bringing even more than the film needed but man and if nothing else this movies worth watching Sam Rockwell's dance alone that scene right there shouldn't get into recommend if the steering wheel looking does not. It's a fun big budget. It film that surprisingly. I remember it being a hit. It barely broke even in the states. It costs ninety three million well yeah. They had a huge budget legit. That's seems like a lot of money for this kind of movie in the states. It made one hundred twenty five million so that's not a huge with marketing. That's break even been maybe but what country propelled. This is big international hit. I was it was all the countries together made one hundred fifty million for a combined total of two hundred and seventy million against against ninety three million. That's tripling the budget so yeah three years later. We'd be back with the angels again but we won't be back for another two weeks because Charlie's Charlie's angels cannot not be interrupted. We got men's movies to talk about last week. We had REIMB- less blood next week doc joker looking forward to that movie I'm so excited for it looks like the joker movie. I always wanted because it's dark. It looks bizarre. It's Joaquin Phoenix Yeah. I'm excited. I'm super excited about joker. I'm not only excited for the movie which looks like it's going to be really good. I'm excited because we we are going to see the movie in New York with some of our listeners. We are having a listener party in New York City where we're GONNA be getting together at L. Pub beforehand having a drink. Maybe a snack and then heading over to see this in seventy millimeter. All the details are on our facebook page. We have an event on the page for the joker screening. We hope anyone in town for New York. Comic con like we will be or who just lives in the area. I I hear there's a few people who do live in the New York area. Hopefully you can come out and watch joker with us in seventy millimeter so we'll be reviewing that next week and then the week after that we'll we'll be back full throttle with the Charlie's angels sequel and in between this Friday we are finishing the legend Bonus series for our silver donors with the review of the eponymous movie will Smith's. I am legend the third adaptation of Richard Matheson novel but the first one to actually used who's that title that review comes out Friday and then we jump into the last of the silver level of reviews as we lead up to Zombie land double tap so so Marjorie Jacob. 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Oh you're talking about your about the seas but it was after this he would really go a different way gear after this Royal Tenenbaum's speaking of sack couple years later Garfield and lost in translation wait. What did these things speaking of sexes at a movie or is the the Garfield movie. I'm confused. He did that because he thought it was the COEN brothers. I've never even heard of this movie Garfield now yeah. I thought you said speaking speaking of sex. Was that a movie. Should I say speaking of sex yes yeah. I just assumed that was a movie. I hadn't heard I haven't heard of it either. Then I then I'm like well. Maybe he was saying speaking of Sex Garfield. You WanNa fuck the cast. A different Garfield that I thought it was but I I have no idea why WII said speaking of sex that is a movie starring James Spader and Megan Mullaly. ooh that sounds like a really weird offerman. Well Okay Offerman. I and I get it now is it is it. 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I love going to trivia whenever I'm watching a period piece because those tires were invented for another three in nineteen sixty seven no sir. I love downloading the shit. That's like this person also started a movie with this person person who then started in a movie with another person who went back to this movie. It's like that is not trivia. That's bullshit. It's like Drew Barrymore starred in a film with Adam Sandler Bler at Adam Sandler. He's been in the film with everyone so that doesn't count Adam Sandler did a film with fifty cent and fifty cent did a movie with Cameron Diaz. I don't know if that's true. The the Trivia Kevin Bacon game is not good Trivia. No account vote all of it. I actually logged. IMDB just to say not helpful I got to say my favorite my climax. Thanks for this film that came out wrong. You've climax many times. I think by this point at the race track specifically. That's it's that steering wheel looking right there. 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Ep 6: Scream to the Screen with Skeet Ulrich

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Ep 6: Scream to the Screen with Skeet Ulrich

"TURNS and everybody. I hope everyone is doing great today. I want to thank you guys for getting through last week with me in the launch of keeping podcast. I can't tell you how appreciate I am. Forever has been supporting me all week long. I've been getting great feedback. The budget tips on how to me better. Some of the early episodes recorded we do have a bit of an excellent issue so I apologize learning for me but since then it's been fix so when you do your that that's why this episode also has a cat trying to eat the MIC. The whole time soon hear that today child actor and France alridge. Some of the older generation may know him from movies like the craft or scream movie. And if you've watched the hit show Riverdale you'll recognize him as F P Jones. Since last week's podcast were pretty packed with injuries. And some of the heaviest stories ever. I thought this week will slow down a little bit and really listen to somebody who is truly in love with their craft. We talk about what it's like to become famous for social media Growing up in a car racing family some this humble beginnings as an actor all the way up to working with actors like Jack Nicholson. How almost became a marine biologist? I I don't ski for probably almost ten years. And he is really truly a kind amazing human he's a master craftsmen when it comes to woodworking an extraordinary father of two so without further. Ado Let someone in your helped. Did you outta done something extremely kind. Have you been recognized. Those humans are in your life. WanNa send them a message of thanks wall supporting great. 'cause there's a growing movement of people spreading kindness highness making a positive impact. Juma buddies over the kind humans movement right now by going to kind humans dot Com. Celebrate the time in your life and hope raise a million dollars for some great causes kind. Human celebrated humanity by cultivating a community of kindness promoting conscious consumption in always giving back right now. They're building a marketplace for sustainable socially socially responsible products so we can make our kind of place to our day to day purchasing actions. Go check him out kind. Humans dot com pig some kindness and pass it on. How long have you lived in La? I I came to La and to start you know filling stuff at the first phone. My Dad was Baltimore and then I was in second one third phone the craft I came here from from New York and glancy. That was nate Campbell's while was in it and Robin Tunney and you know it was a cool cool film whatnot. I stayed at a friend's house in West Hollywood and I use my premium to fill their. You know their refrigerator and uh and it's crazy. Think like this guys in the movies and he's just like sleeping on a dude's couch well in that time you're just starting out so it was. You know I mean I was making decent money for somebody just starting out but like you know you don't have enough to get your own place yet. Necessarily I wasn't even sure I wanted to be out here. And you're frowned around where you live at the time I was in New York City I went to Nyu and I was in New York. Close to seven years You're from North Carolina. I was born in Virginia Jin raised in North Carolina. Kinda raised all over the place. But when I first came out here in the early mid nineties I I hate it. Ah I thought everybody was so lazy and coming from that New York theatre work ethic. I was just didn't like it. Fortunately got to offer only pretty quick quick on films and sticker up. I didn't have to audition I didn't need to. I mean I probably should have stayed longer but I've moved to Virginia and then when I came back here when the kids were a year old that was like two thousand to and I was going to a divorce stuff like that. I wound up. You know looking for. I had a house over off Valve Post Farm in Virginia sold them both in the divorce ores and spending year just renting looking for the right place and then I a friend of mine showed me this place and I was like Don this. This doesn't feel like la now feels like that's coming from five hundred acres of privacy. It's gotta be at least private and this is this is private as you could probably get being like some massive accessible fifteen million dollar property in forty minutes to the grocery store yet it does. He moved out here now. and You you actually once the craft around that time that's got to be mid-nineties right ninety six. Yeah well I think they released it ninety. Yeah Yeah but you. That was the cart before actor. Scream we were shooting scream. When they released the craft? Okay so Neven I celebrate. It was number one at the box office. You know and so we're going to be the biggest movie stars in the world. I mean I didn't really see it that way the F. Feel like you knew that scream is gonna be special. We didn't win though idea number one box office already in another movie and Yeah Time you've got to be like you gotta be early Tortoise Twenty Six when I was shooting scream but I mean I I don't know it never. It never really focused on the business side of too much. You get forced to at times but I just liked doing it. I love the craft of it and And I just kind of get lost in that. They're honestly every every project. I'm on at some point. I forget that people are actually going to see it you just get lost in the storytelling of it. Or I do and and I forget project with your friend. I don't know what it is. You just get lost in the and then occasionally you'll go for close sober something we'll go. Holy Fuck like millions of people are going to see this. Yeah but if you'd sat around thinking it I I think he would make different decisions you know. Isn't that what effect and you're the decisions you really WanNa make based on. I think it would get clouds at a little bit. So you know I for whatever reason I just get lost in forget about. You know that it's for an audience and sometimes that's good sometimes. It's bad but yeah. Yeah that's just part of the way it goes for me but now we have no idea what was going to be hit or what was going to you know and I didn't really care. I just wanted to work at well. I didn't want to just work. I wanted to work on high quality. Things are you know wanted to move forward and I was fortunate. I worked with a lot of great directors very early on not sort of Serotonin. That's after windscreen. Did come out though Tom Did your light was at the first bit of like. Oh this because it was a very obviously teeny bopper. But it's like you know a teen movie for sure and it was the first of that kind of as revamp of those sort of teens slasher movies from these and it was smart and it was an did was the first bit of like. Oh I'm famous where he felt it walking around and my now night such a different time. Now you mean like we're like Oh live famous but like oh I'm noticed. Can't do certain things or noticeably. When I walk around people look at me I mean I so you know maybe to some extent but you have to remember? There was no social media at the time. Would you spoke wasn't even around. Which I you know I? There can be arguments for what's better and what's worst but it was better. Yeah I mean it was definitely different different. I guess better software but different. Yeah I mean you got bags. Eggs of handwritten letters garbage bags full. That was the only way you knew that people knew your work was magazines wanted to do. Pieces uses on you. How the film performed box office wise? And how many bags of handwritten letter or letters comments that great. Ah Come at you to write a letter. You ever get bad letters. Honestly I never open them. I never had time to all those women that are in their forties. Now or like you son of a bitch. I spent so many so many letters to you. I was just pointing just never I mean. They had services to take care of that stuff. I didn't even employ that. I just I don't even know where they arrived to. I mean typically. We didn't even have managers at that time. So go to your agents and or your publicist but there was no barometer. Really of like I never really experienced all. Can't walk down the street or oh I can't do this. I think I blend in end so well you know and I was planning and still probably the thing. I'm proudest of in my career. Is I play a wide variety of parts. I know right you have your. That was a very specific thing. But then after you didn't yet Newton Boys Yeah. I did a lot of choices the I really like. I really like chill factor. I don't know why that when I think of that movie. That's like a really fun movie for me. It's so wild because you say it like I say it on a lot of sets I think people experience it for the most part or may or may not or whatever but I'm like really in in years later the only thing you'll look at is the experience you had the you know the process of making it the people you hung out and so when you mentioned chill factor that I don't know how it did did I don't know how people perceived it but I know I laughed my ass off every fucking day to the point. My stomach hurt because Cuba. gooding junior is one of the funniest people really really you ever hang out with. And I couldn't wait to leave San everyday because my stomach just eight laughing all day long. So that's what I remember that film and that's what I mean by like you know that's gotta be so weird when you did either. I remember but I mean it's very weird when you have so so much fun and if the experience is so much better and may not do as well as a film that is the opposite expenses terrible. I mean I did a TV show in the experience. It was terrible but people loved it and I wonder if the reason why they loved it was because that turmoil we rain while filming shows through in some of the things we are doing. Maybe which you know what I mean like made it a bit more real but it's a really strange industry to like wait right like the two barometer of whether or not it was successful is meaningful in your life is totally jets different in their three levels levels of it. You know. There's your own personal experience. There's an audience as experience and there's businesses experience which is always going to be money. Yeah which is awesome. Relief is the the decision maker on anything right yeah. We are beholden to those people to throw money away and not. It's not just you personally but for film for whatever so you're hoping that at least WanNa keep doing that but yeah it's it's a it's an interesting business. It's a more interesting art you before you came. Do you remember what your first movies were that you did. Because I I read something and I didn't know this but you were in weakened at burnings I get wow. I don't know that I was in. I was in the party scene in it. That was Maureen biology student and I was going to my in North Carolina where they were filming a lot of stuff that time and I walked into my not my dorm room but the whole building and there was a PA.. They're looking for extras stirs. For decided you need accurate. No no thought about it and no allied in Queens. I had I was moved by. I films in a way that I was like. That's really like I started to see the power of metaphor pretty quickly in films but so I was just a marine biology student looking for beer money and I thought oh that sounds. We'll review the marine biology. Do I don't even know why I picked the this is very away from home but we couldn't afford at that point for me to really go to schooling where else. I didn't really give a shit to be honest. And and I you know I just picked it. I had to go somewhere. In state from Concord. North Carolina UH and Wilmington North Carolina was about four hours away. I was like that's kind of cool. It's on the beach. I bet chicks would really find marine. Algae -ality this stupidity of my decision making process at the time anyway wound up like yeah wound up doing a a few days extra work on that and then and then I did Did like three other films. It's next jeter's is one of the coolest story from now route one Sam Rockwell. And I were extras together. No Way Yeah. So he was. I think he had one line so he was a little higher but we buddied around around and whatever and he was living in New York and about a year later I moved to New York on third and twentieth and Grammercy Park and he has tape. The friends know that time. They didn't even have cellphone right so I don't I David Wright hearing larger numbers or anything you know and he he was people. Don't realize how easy it is to lose contact with. I didn't remember. I guess I'll never see them again. Yeah victim number. Once it's changed. I'll never hear them again. Yeah Yeah it's not like now you and just Google somebody like find whatever you get to New York so I get to New York and at Nyu you now. And I go down to the Deli. That's half a block from my apartment and there's a two doors between me the and that delay from my door and standing in front of one of them one day was Sam Rockwell. What are you doing here? The less per studio where he trained and was the two doors down. You know from my apartment. He's a high school yearbook. What are you doing here? I'm going to NYU Blah Blah. And it was just crazy that all the millions of people. Yeah and in that time when there was no communication that I ran into him and so we never kept in touch. You know but like I've been around the business long enough. He sends messages through hair and makeup people in this matter. They you know awesome just lights up appointing talks Blah Blah Blah. I saw him last year for the first time in probably ten years outside the Chateau Mont the night before the Oscar before he won and he just came up and gave me the longest hug. And just help me in. That hug was can you believe it. Yeah Yeah can you believe it and yeah. So that's when I think I liked teenage mutant Ninja Turtles and all that shit I instantly of Sam. That's that is what a man you must extract teenage girls. And now you're winning an Oscar an extra riverdale. Now you're eh well after you know the big big moments in municipals and we Bernie's and then you decide you'll be an actor and now you're here at what point because I felt like there was a point where even when I just think you're a little bit older than me. So that would I would have been in my late teens. Means Right Twenty eight year mean like I remember I was living. I think I was living in the mountains nearby. When like the screen movies coming out right so 'cause I remember we drove? We drove down. It was like scream. Two or three was coming out and we I was Super Fan of all that. It's at one point. I wanted to be a director so it was like and like that. You know that like a young kid. Those felt like a doable thing like. Oh that's something I could and I remember roll like we lived in big bear in the winters snowboarding every day and I was like the air on the opening night. We're going so we drove. My roommate remain drove down to redlands or somewhere and it was like a super ghetto neighborhood right right and it was probably one of the most enjoyable movie Dot incensio horror movie in like this is like the ghetto right and so we get in there get killed the frame and so because there are people looking at us like who are these two young dumb. He's like Super White and I'm like all right. We get in there and we're we're sitting down watching the movie and it's like Bitch like scream at the movie like this is like common sense stuff you know. It was really similar title experience on the very first film. I Made in Baltimore with what it was called. Boys that with Who's in that when owner notoriety? Yeah John C Reilly Lukas Haas. Chris Cooper is great cast. I played this mayor. Do well pro baseball pitcher. Who comes into town is getting her drugged up and try and then we ultimately I in my drunken drugged out Hayes wreck the car and I die? She survives like in this. You know We go off a bridge into a long on gets out. I don't and it's sort of the impetus for her character's evolution through the film but I fell. Aw Man Baltimore John C Reilly Lukas Haas for like. Let's go see a movie Wes. Craven's new nightmare. Just come out. We go to the inner harbor. Not Knowing the inner harbor. Arbor's dangerous frigging neighborhood in Baltimore. You and John C Reilly and Lucas. Okay three of the whitest dude. You've ever see yell into this theater and and somewhere in the first half hour of the movie. This dune walks down. The aisle past US goes just one seat into the right and reaches back and just POPs the shit out of the dude sitting there and Hayao S- ensues like watts riot breaks out in the movie theater and the three of us get down on the floor and precious past are row. And I'm like let's go. We run out of the theater. We get into the elevator. And we're hyperventilating fucking panicked elevator doors open and do comes out pulling out a weapon and blows past us not cop gun. Yeah and what am I going to go and we leave been like to this day if I see John C we looked at each other. And we're like oh the whole experience is ultimately more scared than new nightmare as the scariest movie. You've made the move away better. We Ah remember telling him up because I had obviously not worked with less of that time but I remember telling him that story. Oh so you didn't see the end e that's all. He heard how we know each other as long time now. Almost ten years in two thousand ten I lived in down down the street. So Yeah so Zion years. That's crazy to think it's been a long felt like there was a time after that that I didn't see. Are you in movies great in movies or TV. So I know there were like there was law law and order law and order around the time but I felt like the winter and there was a time where I felt like Whoa skeets like the new biggest movie star. Like he's GonNa he's the biggest moves earnings because in everything at least the moves I was watching it and then all of a sudden I felt like A. Where'd you go 'cause? I wasn't watching a lot of TV. What what changed that? Do you think I I mean. Can you know I moved to Virginia. That doesn't Anti-chinese. No I made like fifteen films while I lived there including anger lease as movie. You know I made a mental some great phones while I was there what angle is just like I ride with the devil. The only unreleased angry moved never released. I know they've let it out for four days and pulled it why They you know they were worried about it being about a black confederate soldier. Jeffrey Wright played. But it's really not what the story is about stories about friendship. How friendship can transcend race can transcend politics war But they honed in on that aspect of it and got worried about it ever can get it now or is it on the criterion collection. You can get it on on items. It's out there. It's extraordinary movie. We opened the Toronto Film Festival. That thousand seat theater balling cheering like great film. It's mainly of course and then Don gone. Is that weird. He's an actor work. orcas something be super proud of it and then have it. Just be like that. Part of my life didn't exist. I did exist. That's what I mean about. The things you remember about. All of it exists in all of that was profound and more profound than whether the film succeeded or not like as good as it gets where initially that was really a four Hander at twelve scenes cut out of it you know the other three cast members were all nominated two of them one. You know the film was nominated at so I had a lot of things. Everything was laid out was I was working with great people in and then I you know relationship started to change. I have was forced to kind of change my perspective on things just to keep said home and and I did a you know when and we got pregnant with the twins I did a couple of films I shouldn't have done because I was doing wisely type films. You know and then I did like a comedy Leslie Nielsen. But it was a comedy done with some of the brightest minds of English comedy Bob. Speers who created did faulty movie was in that one was called Chili dogs. I mean I feel like when you're looking at stripped I don't know because like when you're looking at a script tripped same way you look at a band. If they have a super shitty name that it might not be that good. We didn't make it was called Kevin on the north when we made and they went with Chili dogs and they went the Chili dogs. Yeah more takeover at some point but I made a couple of films I shouldn't have made but I took a year off when the kids were born. The and then you know that relationship got tougher and tougher and tougher to the certain things things and and I you know I had to move back out here started doing TV. So it wasn't on the road with the kids and all Italian me so yeah I was really until Riverdale Kinda forced to only work in. La Are not forced. I but you know we made the decision. Yeah which is not easy to do now. I mean there's very few films you know and unless you're you know one of the top point five percent of movie stars like you know you don't really get to choose which films and certainly if you're limited to one city it sometimes actors can more can connect sometimes dictate with city. It's filmed it. I had power to move. TV shows here but not film. Some people do absolutely such a crazy idea. Yeah I could do it with TV. Jericho is supposed to shoot in Calgary We shot here mm-hmm anyway I started. You know I did. TV to be at home and to to be present for Jacob Anaya and which. Yeah I mean your kids are great. That made the difference shop. -solutely I mean it's been you know it's been the greatest thing I've ever done. Raising two of the coolest brightest you you know amazing kids your your son. He always does now. He's race car driver. Yeah well yeah. He's he's definitely got that in his blood. And that's because you grew up in a NASCAR race car Families that right nothing entira family. What does so where does that fit into pitcher? I mean it's kind of is the picture My grandfather raised My uncle's number two all all time. Nascar Ricky Rudd my mom started the first PR for Manassas Karma. First Step Dad race nineteen seasons. My brother still works in the sport. My cousins my you know my own was the most sought out other uncle Massad after engine builder at that time like it was it was our whole life but it ended up being a race car driver out. Well at that point you decided marine biology but we couldn't even afford to give me go carts to start you're listening to you. Know fewer asked my uncle whoever run Baja with on dirt bikes. You know who have run his. He's got a track of his farm. You know on we've run go-carts all over the place and all that he he will tell you. I was meant to do that like he's like every time we run something he's like you compete compete with those guys like but we couldn't afford at that time. My Stepdad would sell the SOFA to buy parts for his team. Use running back of the pack. You Know We'd you'd lineup at the Infield at a little booth and you know get your cash at the end of the race weekend for the you know. And if he finished thirty thirty ninth. We knew we weren't having steak that we've you know or whatever you know so we just really couldn't afford for me to even get started. Isn't it so crazy. And there was no impetus towards my mom was busy busy like there was nobody guiding my brother and other than my brother and I and so it didn't really seem like an option. You know I would get jobs. You know working in engine shops and shit just to make some cash but There was nobody sort of say in this. Is Your family lineage. Here's your fears clearly. Feels like it. Is it definitely was not an So I have a passion for driving for you know for racing in general but not enough really not like I do for acting unlike not nearly but if you would have been groomed but if you'd have been from the start like how you started Jacob might know I think yeah because there's things that interest me and I feel like I'm kind of good at this. Yeah like snowboarding back in the nineties if I would have started a little bit earlier I'm like oh I probably could have been a pro snowboarder because I liked it I liked and I think I because of you know with bikes and stuff. I knew what it took. I see now I know what it takes to get good. It's something whether you're talented at it or not and I remember having that feeling with snowboarding when I finally got into it like Oh if I wasn't already doing bikes this would dictate all my time. Yeah I don't think there would have been another. I think just as the person I am I would've it would've happened just based on what is doing. I think that's easy to I do. And I think it's you know it's an important distinction to make in life and I talked to Jake about a lot my son because you know he really really loves cars and and and you know I think he really wishes. He had a career in racing her. It's Sorta like woodworking for me like you can do those things things you're passionate about. Somebody may not pay you to do them. But you know it doesn't chores you know and or work to enjoy certain things where we race there. Are you know dozens of people who work nine to five or longer all week long to be able erase that week. Let's be honest. That's most everybody everything you're interested in it's usually not your profession but something like that. I mean I'm blessed to do. You would love truly love and yeah I have cool hobbies that I've joy they you know I'm not in my shop. Twenty four seven like I. I am reading scripts getting ready for films all that stuff. I do want to address a little bit more. That point you brought up about you know I in in terms of like disappearing from film. It was kind of a kind of had to have a couple of things happened at that time. The DOT COM crash really killed. You know where are the big four big studios were making twenty five films. A year. They started making four a year and so so it got really really super competitive. That was the move for a Lotta talent to TV because film industry was collapsed. Only the the elite were getting the parts that wanted to do there used to be a you know a lot of material choose from it was room and then production halted on films for a while and became the thing which was great. I mean I you know I. I ultimately wound up. Love raising my kids all my own for the most part since they were three. I mean you know you probably remember Daizo School. They barely saw their mother. And I mean I mean I remember before we met because our kids are seen at schools. Like oh there's feet you know and turned out our kids being friends. That's how we ultimately met friends for a while they were like on separable Lived in this house here he added and then I remember when I started. We started coming over and doing stuff I was like I cannot not believe. How much do you know your kids like? At the time. I never had a small child the my own Lena and that was like watching you do that especially with me. Now trying to navigate. How do that and find times really hard but I remember Thinking like what I find myself at a place now and I'm like this is impossible I think about like I think I skied Komo. He's not more handsome than me in no way. He's not that much more talented nine. I'm in the range I got it but yeah I mean you literally everything your kids I mean I think that you taking that time with your kids is honestly made all the difference on the people they earn it. You know it's been amazing. I mean night you know but I worked through it all as well. That's the that's the the difficult and interesting thing is They weren't raised by Nannies. I hired a nanny for nine months when I did Jerko by the way Jericho I love that show thanks. That was such A. I felt like that was to me when I think of you now I think Jericho. Yeah is that weird did not. It's switched from like what I think. That was such a popular show and it just ended and ended in was so popular in. I felt like I felt so close to my heart that I felt like it was like the thing. You never got the answers to same. But then I heard a nanny when I did the law and order L.. A. Like three or four years after that for like six months and that was it. That's the only nannies I've ever hired. They've grown up on sets. And and you know we may do that thing that people don't see and we'll never see as the three pilots did around that time I remember. We're incredible incredible. Didn't happen basic NI- for John Wells. John Wells shameless one of the arguably one of the best minds in entertainment. You now and we were doing a show. Says he space it needs Shell Phev Amy Smart. I mean Janeane Garafolo incredible cast basically telling story of these doctors. Take down the pharmaceutical industry in hindsight how you ever GonNa get that on CBS. I know so lobby night. I made decisions artistically. That some of them just didn't pan out. I mean I never went anywhere. I was always working. I know level I remember that is sometimes those things. Don't go to series in people feel like you just disappeared. I I remember there was a time when you were like needs to work. That works folks. Remember you're working at. Yeah but just your pilot and doing this and doing this and work in a market and nothing pans out and that has nothing to do with. No here's the thing about that. And now it's changed a little bit in. The you know with Netflix. And the wave TV is produced. Now there's not really that just traditional pilot season anymore more but at that time you pick the pilot in February or March shot it in April or margin to April and then in May you found out whether it was going to series or not if it's not going to a series there aren't more pilots until the next year months later. Yeah so you had to guess you either did guest stars which I didn't do because I never wanted to or you found movies and you're talking about one city so like you know. I made a movie genre. Known orangish Vernon Matt Dillon and I made the best movies I get at the town in granted. Yeah they were. I auditioned for that. I didn't get but I did. So you know some good ones and you just keep going you know. I mean the cool thing is I never you know. There's there's there's a thing that happens where you sort of you age out of being the thirty year old male leadership series and yet. You're not old enough to be the dad yet. So there's very few things are gonNA find that. Are you know So I mean it's always it's ever ever-evolving but when once you dedicate your life to something that doesn't necessarily feel like Agean you know. Yeah I think that's the separation of art and business. Yes to explain. Yeah you could look at Davinci's work and those three years that he spent on the last supper in for a while people go. You're not did you not doing anything. You're not doing anything not doing it Kinda I am just wait yeah. Just that's you know you're always working working on for me anyway. Always I still read different classic acting books. I still you know. Delve into psychology constantly. There's I am still always trying to be smarter in be better and be a better storyteller and you know that's that's something completely outside side of the business. When when Riverdale came around originally it was a smaller part? Is that right. I you know it was your idea. Here's something bigger three episodes. I remember you saying like Oh I got this got this. I'm doing this smaller thing on riverdale which I'd never heard of at the time it wasn't even okay that's probably Hawaii and and either way. It was like not a show that I watched that for. TV interviews. I never thought I'd do anything for the CW not you know. It just wasn't my my. I don't think they ever wanted me to the different audience. You know I was aging out of that Audience Johnson But you know the letter. I got from Roberto watching the pilot reading the pilot script and seeing how they executed acute it was like this is really good and the description he had of. FBI Jones that first season. I thought that's really interesting. You know and and and so I was like yeah. Let's let's do it and it was only three with the possibility of more than once. I did the three around up being seven or eight of the first thirteen. I remember 'cause you're like you did the three and I go. You like doing more remember you being like site like Oh this is great. I mean you know. Most of my experience on there has been shooting with coal. Kohl's fantastic mastic like I mean. I've seen his evolution as an artist. Even in the time I've been around him but he's truly like just such an incredible human being so smart so presence you know always has spent six years studying anthropology and you know he's just an interesting and Guy People WanNa label him as a kid 'cause he plays a teenager but he's twenty six years old. He was a man. Nose was stuffy. Takes care of a lot of stuff. People aren't even aware of that is beyond his years and really just in the pit of working with him like in. Our collaboration together of creating those roles together was like it was fun. It was really interesting and in. Yeah No. It's but you never know what these shows are GonNa who knows if anyone will ever see it and then boom it's arguably the biggest show on the planet if you told me like okay and then you did a few and then you've done I don't know how whatever season it is. You know like I still don't know what that show is really all of a sudden it was like I turned around at the grocery store and it was just everywhere every magazine I couldn't get and then all of a sudden because I think I looked in the direction of a magazine. That's Riverdale all of a sudden everything Internet indeed was filled with it and then I was getting chills. Must be doing good and then I remember I remember when you joined instagram. And Yeah and and you're like Oh you have so many followers and then I'd like I felt like it was just weeks later like ski. Millions of millions billions of people. It was having what happened and then world turn and then I commented I remember. I commented on one of your photos. You were like it's almost. It's almost that time. I made some date ridiculous ridiculous comment and then I looked back at it and I was like a spice up and it had like a thousand responses that was like holy smokes. It's pretty crazy I mean it's it's crazy what this bit of Riverdale is I would assume bigger than that original because of the Internet to you know it's it's an interesting thing like you know. I think it's I think they're I think it's multiple layers of what makes us show successful or not in some of it is distribution the. CW doesn't do big numbers in live audience but kids are watching TV. Live half the average live. Union age is forty two which I think shows you more of WHO's watching live. TV than it does necessarily necessarily that. Oh that's the skewing age for the show. You know the the day and date release would net flicks internationally like Netflix in the states. They're they're not allow their contract at the CW is they can't air it until I think it's a week after the final episode airs on the CW for that season resolve it so now flicks us. Yes we'll release all twenty two the week after we are the finale on the CW he w but around the world it's aired the next day every episode the next day the day after the next day after it airs on the CW. It goes international on Netflix. Lately so the first day of the first episode all episodes released. No no no no just that each episode is released on time. A lot of people are watching it that way. So yeah so we go to Paris and there's five thousand people outside the hotel. You can't go anywhere else now. Granted aid it. I went there John Lennon if I went there without coal in a in the younger kids. There there'd be a bunch of women in Bon Jovian DEF LEPPARD tight. But I am a part of this sort of world. Eagles mania the show and the reason I say it's arguably the most popular show on the planet. Is that the social media data reports. We get every week it. It is every week of the year the number one tweeted instagram and facebook. Show so Netflix doesn't release numbers of how many people are watching it but if you went by social social media which has to be the number one show on the planet if it is number one talking by like a few hundred thousand like thank you know hits our response or whatever it is that the Meta data they're looking at I'm talking like millions. I mean I have friends here. I think you're three or four million followers and another friend is has around the same actually about a million more than you and I look at the responses for like. And you like that from better. Don't you well. Well invites me over more. The thanks Josh. I look at like I hate to make that thing but like you look at like likes or comments. Four dollars an average of X. amount of likes and then I was like I looked at yours and I'm like you have less but your comments and likes are fifteen times as media annually. So that's telling the fans that are following you are fans they're engaged they're engaged fans and that makes all the difference in the world. Yeah you know now I know I see like I don't know if people by followers or what the deal is but you see some people with ten fifteen million followers they get fifty thousand likes to new like where what's skewed here. Because a lot of times I mean there's all these sites buying but I think there's a lot of times people who are like. Oh that person's famous I follow it. They're not in any way interested in what they're are doing follows so few people as you know you follow me. I do son of a bitch better. I know this cat is trying to eat me by the way I I. Hey there I was getting strangled so like I somebody posts a picture of the seventy some people I follow. I'm going to see it. I don't know how how people followed thousands of people and you don't you don't anymore right. Yeah it's Instagram's doing a weird thing where they're not letting me see the people you follow right right but they don't really see them follow and then but they're also sentenced people suggested follows so now you're like wait a minute. You're not let me see the people I wanna see in a Jesse people and I'm seeing don't even follow kinda sheep show you run over there and I it all has to do with trying to get people to pay not stuff. I wish they would just get. I wish they would just make a hey. This is the way instagram is. If you want everyone to see your stuff just pay one hundred and fifty bucks a year and then I just been cool done for the people who WanNa do that. I wish they would just it overnight and they make billions of dollars. Yeah Yeah I don't I don't really dabble too much. I think I've posted. I see I see. I see those like sexy shirt. UNBUTTON press shots you put up. I see I am so old now. I need a full proper photo shoot. So it's weird. They'd like this feel weird being like like well now like you said Kohl's twenty six. That's eight you're when you're filming scream right. Is it weird being like older and everyone. WHO's young we all SAL? Insane saying we're always like well. It happened so fast. Twenty six feels like yesterday. You know what I mean but you don't feel that much different and so do you watch. Do you watch these kids Magui. Why enjoy it but also do you feel like I live in this world like where I have to sort of dabble in that with instagram? All these things that that Matt but are also so very much argue like not even arguably like one hundred percent annoyingly time consent. If you're going to really try to make that a thing because because that's what I mean I don I dabble. I don't spend a lot of time on it or thinking about it necessarily i. You know I use it as a platform to to expose my work. The people who you know may or may not be watching or whatever and it's very different than when I came through this business business in the early to mid nineties. We wouldn't even do talkshows. We didn't want people to know anything about US personally. We wanted them to walk into the theater and experienced character. And the more you let people know about you the less they would fall into the shot and the different world I think it would also it probably made it feel like every character was new because they know much about you right now. You're like oh I see this guy saw so-and-so's so-and-so's dealing with a divorce I saw that at. CBS and you're watching his movie and you're thinking about their relationship and you've completely missed two minutes of the movie because you're you're discerning data that you didn't even necessarily mean to take in. Yeah but how interesting. What a weird thought for actors? Yeah I don't know how many people you think like that but it's funny. I I know used things like that because I remember we were talking about acting. This would have been years years ago and I regard it as a serious actor. That's how I think when you what I hear your name or whatever then or whatever uh-huh or whatever role you're done like a ski whatever he's doing too serious Akron he do told me something 'cause we're talking about we were you. Were just saying like it doesn't matter what the words say. The words could be talking about my friends pet elephant. But if I'm I will make whatever their meaning to me I can make the mean me. Whatever they want and that always stuck with me became an actor named to be honest? The power metaphor was like like you know I had experiences in my childhood. Bit were like Give a lot of them and you know nobody wanted to hear about it so in my family or anybody knows just brush it under the rug brush of our pets and and I realized like I can. I can make people here what I wanted to say. It's just the words didn't necessarily align with what but the field. The whatever the feeling you invoked it would win talk to whoever else might be feeling that same way a lot of it you know as David Mammon Bill macy in the technique that uh they created based off of you know other techniques that have been around but just really kind of in my mind. It was all about the metaphor. All about the the subtext and as as everything is as you and I sit here and talk. Yeah we're talking about this but there's other things were you know moving around in negotiating and guests and that is subtext. And that's what that's what people respond to is is is that we're all human. We're all dealing with the same things to draw facing the same issues. Believe it or not and you know those performances that transcend things are ones that reach people in that regard. Because you're speaking from a heart you know the heart of that in the human issues and I don't mean that the text even suggests that if you see Ralna you wouldn't look at the dialogue of that film if you read the script and go. It's transcendent that's gonNA speak to so many people but a great filmmaker in a great cast can knows how to push through metaphor and really reach. Humans reach their souls and that's the power of film that's power storytelling always has been the collective consciousness. The the reason fairy tales and I'm talking Grimm's brothers and the old school fairytales tells were filtered through hundreds and hundreds of years of cultures they have the ability to fix psychological issues. If you know there's there's a great book Bruno Battle. I broke called the uses of enchantment which is about how fairy tales can heal edible complex. Really started reading to your kids at from. Ideally the age of five five. And you know they're unanswerable. Questions in very tales that that set psychological thought processes in children and N La. But that's because you know you filtered through three hundred years of collective consciousness. Hundreds of years of collective of consciousness. And you've had a story that reaches the heart of people. There are filmmakers doing. Obviously I mean But that's yeah that's what I meant by the power metaphor like yeah. The dialogue is written there and it says what it says but what I what it means to me. He is more important that when you told me that that is one of the few idolised actually nothing else you've ever told me ever supposed to. That was the one thing that really changed my mind on how the actors actor how I would do stuff. If I'm doing something that required me to be doing something that I that I don't know if it's I didn't that I needed to figure out right like I didn't quite understand how to do it. I was like oh well this is where I bet with it. And so it's interesting. How you you know like I remember even being on an extra teenage mutant Ninja turtles and like it gets fucking boring? You know like standing around and then you just when you are shooting shooting. You're just standing around and yourself a little bit of credit. Sometimes you walk. You never know when that guy next to you is going to win an Oscar exactly and I remember like even then I knew Jack Shit about acting but I remember like okay. I got to walk from here to there and this this is so like self conscious so self conscious all right so this time I'm going to walk like And it was a college soon that time and walk like walk into that girls dorm. You know that I have a crush on Blah Blah Blah said to that and then we do another taking them like what at this time like I'm walking. I'm seeing my dad ten years like I'm walking confront him. You know as even before you're an actor just kind of interested in like how that would play out you know and and so that just I don't know it's it's an interesting evolution like art you know and From anything from furniture building from what you do like all the imagine or look at the all the various ways you've expressed yourself through so many different physicality Jason Things you take on from this. You know they're all like internal expressions of you. They're all things you're interested in your. You know some of them as as some of them are you know I gotta I gotta put food on the table so I hate this but I'm GonNa do it you know how do I do it. It lost are wrapped around you. And you're you know who you are as a person and and so so it's same thing like once you once you find that that thing you're just dying to do you know you'd never stop thinking about people tell me now my forties and I've been festival bike rider for a long time. Technically I'm still professional even though I don't don't feel like that my head and I think you've got to feel like it because at there was a time when I was one of the best bike. Ride out five or ten. Best bikers enrolled at what I did the time you know whether how short lived it was or whatever and so I know what it is to be great at something and feel like Oh. I'm at the cutting edge edge of what we're doing and so even know like I'm good at a lot of stuff. I missed that sort of feeling. Great at something. That's something I'm always like what I've got to find something else that I can be great at. That's an ego based thing but an ego but nobody. I don't mean great so the people I met like it's something like how can i. What do I look for something? I've gotta find this thing. Whatever it is because I've changed so much I just love to do right right like that? I'm not that I WANNA get better at it but you will get better at it because you love it. So there's because there's a growth. There's an inherent want to grow now. Because you need to because of the people but because like Oh that's so interesting to me. Absolutely how do I get better at it and ninety. How do I get better but you get better at it based on your love of just enquiring more knowledge of it right so there is a point of me where I'm like? I do all these things but I don't feel like there's one thing that I love with anymore that I feel like it's the the thing that charges me and I said I'm always constantly looking for it. The only thing that really is that way is just being a dad with but it's it is a weird when you doing something especially guys like us. So I've been riding my bike for professional might spike writer for two thirds of my life I've been riding bikes for almost three quarters of my like most people can't say they've done what they've done for a living for two thirds or three quarters of their life. That's crazy right now so when you do something for so long. It's there's an identity you know what I mean where you're like if I'm not this who Emma absolutely absolutely if all of a sudden you can't act anymore you don't mean like you have a lot of other interests but there would be assuming there will be a part of you like okay. Well this has been who I. Am for so long. Where do I how do I transfer that energy and and into something else so I can continue to be meet with? Yeah so you're right though. I mean I don't I can't separate me from do either. Yeah I love to have time off and do other things is but it's I think the most powerful example I could say I did a film with Jack. Nicholson as is good as it gets and I you know everybody I always loved his work though is like at that time. I was cocky. fucking twenty. Some y'all is is kind of a personality you know. His his performances are always based around his personality and had this notion of him. Of course he's fantastic ASPIC and powerful engaging and all that but I was like now is just play is it just because he's got this big personality and then we're in rehearsals. He he was he said. You know I've been thinking about playing old and became instantly clear when he said that sentence that he spends all day thinking about how to bring reality to the screen. Said I've been thinking about playing and I. I think the key is to treat every object in the room. As if it's the YOU WANNA be so. This is a hundred years old. I I WANNA be really careful not to disturb the dust around it might just break and you can see all his physicality slow the genius. Somebody that you're not thinking about playing you're thinking about things outside yourself and and we were like. Oh my God and Jim Brooks. The director was like Jack Genius. You have to tell people that will note what I was doing but you. You're just boiled it. The point of all that is that he thinks about these things. Twenty four seven. You don't think about something twenty four seven if you're not in love uh-huh and so something that people can't. I don't think unless somebody really you really love with something like that. It's a hard thing for for other people to grasp. Of course she loves you. Think about all the time like love it. I'm always thinking like no no. No you're not you're loving you art. Yeah are you are everything about. I just finished this foam right like I'm not allowed to say much about it but I did to work with Tom. Hanks I imagined by the time this comes which I cannot wait to see big you to imagine biggest fun dates bigger bigger. Aw but it was a it's a post apocalyptic thing and there's only like five people in Heaven and it's ten in years after the nuclear disaster and I couldn't help but think about voice in like what you would sound like to to lift through that you know or you know still be existing in this in such an intense environment in the script. Looked like if you put your hand in the sun instantly skin blisters off you know like that intense and so you have to operate by night you know. The wind stored the dust storms. Everything you know mad eliminated all everything green. Well you live in a pretty nice part of town where I live is. That's that's that's what is still enjoy enjoying the of these beautiful redwoods but anyway just like I didn't have a ton of time to prepare for it but every frigging moment was thinking about that voice and trying to find trying to hear it correctly so I could so I could get it out and and I. It's just it's so much fun so much fun. I think for acting that I always thought was. Would something appealed to me. Is that because I always want to do so much. Like I'm the guy who owned someone says okay. Well let's go do it and you know like a lot of those like I. I'd love to do this and the other day. Everyone's always like you do so much stuff on to you did this week. I'm like I was gone for thirty six hours hours. They drove eight hundred miles and went to caves. Lava tubes goes towns. We kayaked around a river. We stayed in all this stuff. I'm like I never was more than four hours away from home. Just just a matter of like going to do it deciding. I'm going to do this so I've always loved doing so much stuff and always industry. That thing that intrigues me. So much you so you can does your opportunity to be all the things that I never was never smart enough to be like an astronaut. Or maybe I WANNA be a cowboy or live in a post positive the world so take the idea to like because I think I would really thrive. I almost wish from things like Zombie Apocalypse. Sometimes just is waiting hippie. Let your new baby. That is my new. Eating Kirk can destroy but I always thought that must be so interesting as an actor to be able to live these lives for portions of the year that are not based in time more reality. Meaning your reality. You're never going to be an astronaut. Astronauts could be never going to be a train robber but you were. I'd like to say you'd never be a serial killer but time to time will tell Ya ah does that change your travel all over the world and even tried sort of traveling experience experience so many different cultures and things and travel a little bit and I mean sixty two countries and I've had over a hundred jobs in over one hundred Jobson's so you get a look of changes your perspective as being an actor and do it all those different jobs change your perspective on just just people in general absolutely you know what I mean where I feel like some people think oh even movie star above because I don't really feel like they move southfield way but I do feel like back because of media. There's an untouchable field. You're a new year movies and you're on the shelves at Grocery Stores and you know what I mean like the this great life and all these things and people are mistaken to think. How hard like I see this beautiful home right? That you've created yourself. I also saw ten years ago where it wasn't nearly this nice and I know all the hard work that's put into earning the money to do it. But then the actual how much hard work you put into physically with their hands. So I think there's a mistake. Take that are misguided mistake of people thinking that because actors make a Lotta money. They don't work hard. And do you think that like I said. Do you think that this awesome being different characters makes you more empathetic person to what's going on in the world in your role in it. Maybe I think so I mean I you know I don't necessarily pretty deep. I know it is yeah. I don't I can't say that I spent a lot a lot of time thinking about what is my role in this world But I do F- yeah definitely changes your level of empathy. I mean I only see it in repose of Arena juxtaposed against other people's bulls viewpoints. That I've been around that feel uninvolved. which is in a lot of people which is a lot of people? And it's not always people's fault I would like to be honestly I would say more than half the time. It's not so yeah. I think there's a lack of exposure lack of care something. The only part is their fall does. The is the the lack of wanting to in some way. I feel about people who are really privileged. It's not your fault your privilege and your parents did well. You were awarded all these things wonderful my parents. But it's your fault if you can't tell the difference between your life and someone else who wasn't afforded can't see how those benefits absolutely absolutely act accordingly here in the land of entitlement. Yes but the on the on the the more positive side of that you know. Oh I think it it. Yeah it definitely. You're exposed to a lot of different things you're also around you know it's a a couple of hundred people to tell these stories. It's not you know the other five of us in Tom. Hanks phone but there are three hundred people around us who are all finely finely tuned artists each specific thing working very hard to tell a very specific. And it's you know what I mean by. That is is that their experiences and the stories. You hear of what they've seen in the world and done in the world where we did this film there and we you know we did this or we help the community here. We did that. You know like the collectiveness of all that is is what really opens you up. I mean people used to say to me. Don't you feel weird raising your kids on the set and I was like you kidding me. It's the hardest hundred people a couple of hundred people working sixteen hours a day. Five days. A week hustling imagine. People can't understand eighty hour workweeks forty hour work. Weeks are the norm. We're working double that. Yeah I mean I'm stomach and like a movie like Gardens Galaxy where I was on it for four months Outta town right size weight in the family. In your you go into your call time might be seven. Am and I don't get out to two am and then you get picked up it the Yeah and it just never ends hours and it's all day long and you realize it even know like you're you're maybe starve movie. I'm a stunt man. So I'm I I have my second point I'm going to do but that whole day. Those other three hundred people are running around as fast as they can absolutely solving problems and some of the most open hearted caring people and the kids were exposed to sixty seventy eighty different types of jobs. They might yet aunt from like Trish Christians to medics to you name it. That job is on a film set. It's it's crazy people when people that's always my argument and people like Oh. I'm going to download this movie or steal it or whatever because I buy I look the other day on itunes and have seven hundred and some movies of buck. Oh and that's a lot young at it's like I think everyone's like why don't you just rent it and I'm like well I just feel like that's my appreciation. That's what I can get back right like because there are so many so many people work in that movie. You know when people like download it or whatever you're like stealing from ski all rich sure Stealing from every single person who worked in that movie who is just trying to put food on the table. Yeah people don't realize how big like an Oscar winning movie we know you got all these. These actors made it that way now it is such a collective it is. It really is crazy. Yeah Iran to a guy on the street straight years ago now who he was like he came up to me and he was like I couldn't believe they cut all those scenes and as good as it gets and I was like how'd you know about that he goes. I was an electric in the rafters above the stage. Like you know I was watching it all so good like once you know and you're like that that's cool his wild. It's really cool. It's like you never knew you'd never meet them now. I never saw never even knew he was up there. Flout rigors like all all the different you know it's it's just a it's but anyway the point is like yeah I mean you ultimately I think if you're open hearted somewhat like it's it's impossible not to start to see different perspectives of the world. You know quite honestly like we don't look so good around the world. Oh don't look so good we don't look good. I mean we haven't for a long long time. Someone tells me and this is not unpatriotic because I know there's a group people that feels like until we're the greatest country in the world. I'm like go by a long shot. If we're exactly or just look with other countries are are just being told that like I just there are so many wonderful things and people and places in this world. They're doing things so much smarter than kinder under and I mean even if you look at like simple actually thinking about the children on Yes if you even look at simple things like the ingredients in a gatorade or a snickers and you hold them up one one from let's say Sweden one from America is half the ingredients and ours all the other half. That are terrible for you. It's a AH poisoning our population passing. You know what two hundred fortieth in healthcare around the world you know hundred something. The only they were killing it out as people in prison killing into that and an making the rich richer. Yeah Nice House by the way Nice. Yeah so yeah. We're done no no great parting wisdom. There's nobody partying wisdom other than just telling Betty America's not great. Ah But thank you as a friend I say thanks coming on today and thank you. Because they're like I said over the last couple years the last five years. I've learned so much from you. Other than that one thing. He told me about acting but most importantly as a father and seeing the things that I- mistakes I'd want they didn't WanNa make meaning how much how much you took me made being a father the priority over your work or basically two the different route on your career to be able to have those important years with your kids and I just want to say thanks in all honesty. It's made all the difference. Man I really appreciate it and thank thank you for noticing first of all because not everybody really sees it and grasps it but I see you as a parent I know you're doing the same triton. I see I see how much you're exposing Luna too and it's beautiful that's all we can do happy. No jobs exposed to as many things as you can make decisions on. Yeah where service is joy. You know I mean it's it was my my goal to make them never feel unwanted a moment in their life and And I I know joy like I mean I see that I see that your kids I see it in yours so but hey thanks a lot and cook thanks thanks man. That's all right so let's ratty additive.

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"Heard It Through the Applevine" (with Billy Eichner)

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"Heard It Through the Applevine" (with Billy Eichner)

"Based on the untold true story. The best of enemies is about me and Lewis. Am I trust you, please? I'm Sam Rockwell. It's actually about the relationship between civil rights activists and atwater and C P Ellis, a local klu Klux Klan leader. Crazy. I love those wild yokels. They reluctantly co-chair a community summit, and they battle over the desegregation of schools in Durham North Carolina during the racially charged summer of nineteen seventy one seventy two that was all cleared up. I'm so glad we had that one summer where it really got out of hand, the incredible events that unfolded would change Durham and the lives of water and LS forever. It's a timely drama that inspires a sense of optimism about the divisiveness within our current times that maybe can be healed wanted to disagree. I don't know. The story is powerful inspirational and thought provoking Academy Award nominee taraji p Henson. What movie she nominated for movies taraji nominated for oh Benjamin button? They are. They're very good. Very good. I know that great performance and Academy Award winner. Sam Rockwell are at their best. It's a powerful true story of a black female activist really a hero leading the charge for a change in the nineteen seventies for her community. Wow. The original be best campaign. In theaters April fifth. Welcome back to the keep it mysteries. There are two cases this week. I assume referring to one that just included twenty minutes ago. It is like dateline. Yes. Jesse small at charges dropped every part of this has felt like being slapped with a fish. It hurts and it smells Schnapp art of it. I I. I'm not somebody who says I can't. But in this case, I really can't. This news literally came as we're getting ready. Yeah. Like all the best news, Lori Loughlin style hopped off my soul cycle by just pointing that out there care keep telling that's your novel characteristic having gone to an injury. No. Who went to Seoul, say I care about the endorsements the phone. I'm trying to Jesse sixteen charges were dropped by Chicago. Please. None of this makes a lick of sense. From either side, the official said the official statement is shrug emoji. They say after reviewing all the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. smaller, volunteer service in the community. What? And agreement to forfeit his bond to the city of Chicago. Okay. So they're going to keep his bail money. I want to listen, I'm high. I don't I'm not gonna speculate. Because literally, none of us know, I don't believe a human living on the planet actually knows. What's happening? I'm just going to say, I find it a little suspect that he is for fighting his bond, and I'm gonna you can you can look into that. As you like there's no way this is the last chapter, and I hope sell my God. I I know everyone keeps tweeting. I hope he sues. You think this to keep on rain? I also I mean, I think the thing is too if he doesn't sue again that is probably telling us something, I think we should all just be glad this is over. I think both sides need to go back to their respective corners and shut up about it. She needs to go back to framing other black people for crimes and letting cops off for murdering black people. That's the that's what they do best. Jesse can go back to you know, sing in his little ditties on empire. I think the twenty fifth reprise of your so beautiful is being written for the premiere. Do you think they'll dislike let him back onto empire? Full-time won't FOX us like they have no comment. But also if the charges are dropped slate is clean, let him back. I think the lessons them the rest of the season. Right. Is it's done there's shot but next season. There's no reason why they wouldn't. Yeah. Okay. Because like the people who were like the Donald Trump junior's of the world. You know, those. Furious masturbaters they're not watching empire. Right. So if you put them back on the show is not like people are gonna like stop watching. It was also he was charged with a felony. And if he is not anymore. Like, I think that was the breach of your contract. Like, I think if you are committing crimes they have a right to fire you if you did not then they can't right? I mean when the charges are dropped against loin lot lon- ashore, she will be back in Toronto. For the Becky mysteries. Yes, shooting hallmarks. The baked pie. Went methiang. The Christmas where we went to Christmas or whatever those movies are called. But as of now, FOX has no comment on the charges. I know Justice going to give an interview, but like again, I just want to block party. I want to block party. I wanna go. I want to cook out. Therapy after somebody else's like felony charges speaking of felony charges as God. Let's one celebrity out. Another gets locked up Michael on the naughty. Oh, sure is he's a liberty. He made himself one. Who is also co co-conspirator was Justice lawyer, which was. I listen, you know, I live in LA, I work in Hollywood. I'm familiar with the concept of everybody knows everybody. But like God damn it's like every crime that's been committed in the last two years it it's like all the same people connected. And it's like on one end. It's like a stormy Daniels and the other it's the president. And you're just like how this web of fucking people that all know each other and commit crimes together. But if you told me that Michael Nadi, if you're like, oh, Michael NADA. He's cousins with Jones dusty smell that case. I'd be like, oh, I know that I I believe you so good for them. I want to see the family reunion. It's right. Caught rock, but there's no singing is copper Cup family drama. It was a show about caught. No. I know. But I know, but it's a musical show. Right. Oh, I see your musical crimes. Right up into it. Which is the theme of the episode. Yes. All right. What are you doing today? She we start doing like a bingo game for the rest of twenty nine thousand nine like who's going to jail because it just feels like an attack. It is March. It is March like how we already who. Do we think is going to be arrested NATs, someone make a guess? Well, does it have to be somebody who we actually think is going to be arrested wildcard? Did you think Felicity Hoffman? Let's go. No. I don't have dreams that big God. Who do I think should who? Do. I think we'll go the answer is. I think Jonathan Taylor Thomas going to reemerge and fuck it up. Okay. I think it's going to be an he's gonna steal in ATV. And you know, I think he's gonna take it to. I was gonna say Frankie Muniz is has. But that's cute. He's just he's just going to go for a ride and we're going to follow him like alive chase on KTLA CARA. I don't I don't have an exact name. But I think it's going to be like much older celebrity like I think some like random eighty year old celebrity is gonna come out of the woodwork. And we're going to be like, oh my God. They they killed some. I think dean Cain murdered someone. He is among the more suspicious. Not far right conservatives, but like a serious conservative, right? And it would have a bit of tied to desperate housewives since Teri Hatcher was in it. Oh, sure. And I feel like there's always a weird connection something. So you know, what I what I would also guess I think maybe a Trump sibling child is going to get like a DUI. Hope it's don's. He is first of all I'm sure he'll have nothing to say about this thing. Yeah. They were they were Magdalena's about it before. Because now he is tweeting about Albany more than the news is I mean, what is obsessed. What does he have to do? I mean, and I get it, you know, but he's only famous because your your dad like allegedly factor that we have their own allegedly. I mean, yes. Well, we have to say, I don't know if we have to say allegedly I don't want to get to by Donald Trump. Yeah. He's excited. Now. I don't know. I really would love to know what Don jR, does all day because it does seem like just Twitter. I mean, I I don't mean to glamorize him for anybody. But I think he just tweets, Twitter and browsers. That's it. What's her name? I forget that lady's name. Oh, Kimberly Gulf oil. Yeah. Yeah. Can watch watch. Day. Dinners at Janine Piero's house because she is unemployed at the moment. It really is. When Fox News is like to racists for us. It really is like I mean, honestly props to her like when someone at FOX can find the ceiling for FOX, it really is rather remarkable. Because it's never quite what you think it's going to be your like, surely, this will be the one that they draw the line at no. But she found it. Where do you think she is right now Janine Piero? What do you think she's like wandering the forest Hillary again to get her revenge? She's like she's hit the mountains at this point. She is she has a sherpa and stuff. Well, she's a started podcast. Okay. Don't don't list. I was just thinking I wish she brought more words into the world. I mean, I always thought that Meghan Kelly was gonna do one after she got fired. And I just don't know what these FOX people do. I mean, it's only been a second give him time. True. And Meghan Kelly has enough guys. What if they started the lake the altar version of crooked, Mick? In this bitch. Just started podcast now where? Legit media. On. The truth dot com. I wanna cut from that. Ladies, I want some of your dirty blood money. If if you if you take that idea with homes tech corner. Wow. This is going to be a good episode. I think it's going to be a good episode the house chore. Don't even explain don't even even explain not even spiting it. I just find it. So funny this episode. We have Billy Eichner here. We are going to talk to him about beyond say. And some other things. But I mean, he he's in this movie about there's there's a king of lions. I don't really understand. Yeah. It's beyond that. But she's the kion say lions. And we will also be joined by WJ board member and writer Angelina Burnett to talk about the ongoing writers guild and agents drama that is unfolding in Hollywood. And we're going to try and break it down for you all and so it makes some sense probably vote this week. Yeah. It's all happening. Right. Don't forget that we have a live show in Los Angeles at the region theater. It is may fourteen get your tickets they're on sale now on sale now. We'll be there crooked dot com slash events with all my choreography. What can I clocks, my cultural dance? I bring to Keith head either literali is it now are you pulled out your DARREN'S dance group. VHA ready dance dance group. I feel like is that all pussycat house music. Like, what is he grooving to? I he does the bye bye dance in it. Of course. Of course. Yes. Learn how to wave in a grabby way. That's what they do in the bible, you'll get that. And more. Because see us a lot. Right after the break. Karen, I will dive into a conversation about Apple's latest event. Apple really wants us to be paying attention to its event because instead of giving us new iphones, which I would probably immediately by they paraded out a bunch of celebrities to talk about their effort to create original content and digital services as part of their new streaming video service, the event was basically he and his. Steven Spielberg over Winfrey. We were this booed, Jennifer, Aniston camman nanjiani like it was stacked stat. So the company is entering the rink of streaming with competitors. Like, Netflix, Hulu and HBO, and it's reportedly spending around one billion on programming which includes titles from the aforementioned people and also Jj Abrams and Ron Howard. That event every time there's an apple that is just always seems so extra. I thought we were going to get some new air pods. I thought hey, maybe I'll finally buy an ipad. Maybe they'll be some new shit. And instead we got like two hours of vague talk about television shows with no release dates if you noticed. No trailers, which makes me feel like they've shot nothing. And then I mean, listen, I love Oprah. Obviously, I didn't know what she was talking about for the first half of that presentation. I was like. What are you announcing faces out there? You're talking about optimism. And he'll I was like I don't I don't know what this is our feel like Oprah or what it was. And so she just sort of went to autopilot on anything says, it's usually just like. Are you happy to be here up to MS? I think that we can move mountains. But it's not like she could hand out. Like you're getting a streak because we all know what it's coming. It's coming. There was we don't know what it looks like like it. It was just such a bizarre leaked specifically those tech events. Like, wow. Look at all the cool new shit. We have. And so to have this whole big event that was so vague just also feels like very it feels like the opposite of apple peels off brand for them. It's very weird too. Because of for the two of us who live in L A and our writers. I feel like we know people who've been working on apple things for like two years. And none of this stuff has come out. Yeah. I mean, I know that it's a crazy lineup. Lot of white people. But Spielberg's reboot of amazing stories and the morning show, which is co starring Reese, Jennifer, end Steve corral. Which I mean like, listen, that's a great lineup. Excellent. We gotta get only white people at least good white people. Right. But yeah. So it's like, you know, that the things have sounded good to like when I hear these ideas and shows people working on. I'm like, wow, I really wanna see that. But like when am I going to see at girl because it has been like they have announced this show this this the morning show. I feel like two years ago. Like, I remember when they first announced it, and then it was just like that sounds great one. Can I watch it? And they're like, oh, we're never gonna tell you. When you watch just giving you a really cool idea that we're never going to follow up on. Can we briefly before we get into the rest of this shit talk about how Steven Spielberg has been doing all of this running around keep net. Netflix from entering the Oscars. And then he stepped out here right on apple. And I feel like we knew that he was doing amazing stories for apple, but nobody really. Realize how involved he was until this event? And I saw a lot of people that were like trying to make it sound like these issues were so different like, the idea of, you know, of films being in theaters, and you know, whatever changing the idea of what a movie is versus like, he's making a TV show for a streaming service. Like, obviously, that's what they do. But like it still feels a little suspect, right? Or you were promoting a streaming service, which is obviously going to be making moving, right. Exactly. I know people who have movies that apple is going to release. Are you going to make a stink about the apple movies? If they win an Oscar, you know, he's not. So that's the that's why it feels just like again, don't say anything at all. But like exactly if an Oscar if a if a apple film is nominated for an Oscar, do you think Steven Spielberg is going to stand up and say it wasn't enough theater? Probably be green book too. I switch places and grandma to now or Herschel has to drive the white guy now that they figured it all out. There's a body. Swap. I'm you know, there's also other things that worry about like are is this going to be in direct opposition to Netflix in like are we gonna find out numbers for apple because Abbas, usually very transparent about how many people listen to the music and other things on their platforms. I mean, I don't again they've told us truly nothing they told us. Well, we can get the most famous people on the planet in a room which. Yeah, I mean. Yes, apple. Yeah. His apple get me in the room. Right. They they explained truly almost nothing else. And again where are the airport? Did they announce the new air pods? No. They did announce that we will have apple news plus subscription services, which will feature more than three hundred magazine apple news, plus Phil around. Yes. Well, this is now going to have more than three hundred magazines for nine ninety nine per month. And it's like they flip through the new essence that ISA. Of the cover of. It's basically you'll actually be able to look at the magazine on your device, and it will sort of move on simulate reading a magazine. I mean, listen, I know that to frame Isa's cover. So can I do that with ipad? Maybe you just you just freeze. They're also introduced egg in partnership with Goldman Sachs and the apple card. A payment system that will not charge users any fees that will offer two percent cashback on purchases and three percent cashback on apple purchases. And it'll peer it will appear in the wallet at this summer. This is okay. So when I saw the ad for it. There was an actual credit card. Yes. First of all, I don't understand if that's a prop. I don't understand. If you actually the card what I will say if that card is real why would you want a white credit card? They feel like it's gonna get filthy like you're just going to have this dirty ass credit card by the end of it. Or do you leave it in your wallet? And if you don't ever take it out, then why do you need an actual card? This is what I'm saying. I don't understand. What is happening? I feel like they have like completely flipped their brand on its head Ivy. Like Steve Jobs is wherever he is. Like what the fuck is Tim doing out here. None of this makes any sense. I don't know what's happening haunting the auditory out. What I told you people to do. I didn't improve any of this shit singing for Christina coming. On him. Yet. It seems weird that the whole company that has been trying to get me to put all my credit cards on my phone. I never have to pull them out is introducing a credit card, and then having a physical one is this supposed to be the new well, there's been the black card. So they were like, but what you really need it right card. Real power doesn't come with privilege. I also feel like this is distracting them like I want. Why don't I have an iphone? That's as thick as a sheet of paper. That's the shit. You guys to be working on make me some air pods that never die to the real. This is what the people want. Okay. Air pods die. It is truly the set and that noise wound. Yes, I hate that. And. Aside from a phone that is paper thin. I would actually like a phone that you can drop and it won't break. Yeah. That guy was so many people I see carrying around their phones without cases, boldly. But I'm always like, they look so good outside of chunky case can't make a phone with a built-in case where it's already safe if you drop it is an apple we are giving you lots of ideas. I also when I bought my new computer, it was very difficult. I didn't very difficult time moving all my shit over can we make that faster while we're at it. The the wait times at the genius bar at the grove are bonkers I needed to go to the genius bar. They told me we have an opening in a week. Week. I said excuse me. I don't have a week. And they're like, oh, you could try Pasadena. I was like everyone has lost their minds. That's what we need to work on. Let's short in these genius bar. Wait times before we're out here making eighteen television shows. Okay. And also for Jason momoa, Alfred wooded. So there's some no dad, I would watch the show. It's a post apocalypse series called see against it involves blind people like SEI Burbach. Okay. Whatever. I don't know. I've watched Alfred b blonde. I watched her chain her son up in a basement while she was playing the piano on does what housewives? So I feel like apple we've given you a lot of ideas. And I hope the next time we do one of these what do they call these things these presentations, apple events. Yeah. I want some stuff that I can give you my money for okay? At the end of it. That's all I want. Please. Let us know when you're shows are coming out because I don't wanna watch. Yeah. A launch date for literally anything would be nice. After the break Lewis, and I sit down with Billy Eichner because I had some pressing questions about The Lion King and beyond say. With stress and anxiety. Many people can often feel exhausted during the day or during a podcast that they're taping right now. I'm about it because I just left so cycle, which you okay? I know that's your whole brand now, but you need to move on from. Whilst you talk about base camp. Again lewis. I wore a sweatshirt one time. You can't hear a sweatshirt, but when it's time to go to bed, and they dress can't fall asleep. If worries affecting your days and nights, it's probably also affecting your overall health. I guess we really need some calmness in our lives shore. 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We've talked about things like that. I'm too old for Snapchat. I I don't know. I don't think my fans are on Snapchat. You shouldn't have shows on things. You don't understand? I tried. And then it didn't I couldn't I dated a younger person. Twenty three. Oh, okay. But they use Snapchat. Right. You're young though, thirty two. Yeah. You guys are babies. I'm forty forty years old. I remember your forty s yes. To my fortieth. Yeah. You're a pretty chiseled forty though, Billy. I'm going to say your glow up is quite radical and extreme party was fun too. Fun. A fun fortieth. Yeah. Some gay recommended him to me, and he was a great DJ. And what happened at my fortieth house? A blur. I don't know. It was a weird mix of like old college friends and people I work with and Jim Parsons, right? Also, it love the the music is notable though because I feel like billion I intersect. Extremely when it comes to like like, your preferred era of music is like Lisa Stansfield. Like, that's what gives you life that era. Yes. But how do you know? I'm a little bit of a time traveler are. Yes. Louis retell, right, actually, think that Lewis just is very old the oh there's that. I mean. Yeah. I'm like, secretly like tab hunter's first lover, right? Yeah. We all kind of have that in common. Right. Where we're we were always forty two. Yeah. Right. Like when I was thirteen I just wanted to be forty. No. When you were thirteen you had formed opinions about Ellen Burstyn that was just your low major opinions already talking about like, I think requiem for a dream was overrated. Yes. Right. Right. It's coming out in ten years. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I have any thoughts about Allen burst. I'm surprised to hear that not even exorcist. Era while black say I and requiem for a dream guide to spout her career for you was she Brown sugar. Choosing best man. He was in the age of that, align speaking. We can't talk about the details of your movie, you're doing a com. He's writing one. All right. One writing riding extolling you're doing so much. Yes. In the rock in the romantic world. Well. Well, you know, you're you're dating the bachelor cult. He said that cult ends a funny one he is really savvy about social media. I was just going to say, I I'm not a bachelor superfan or anything. I'm not either. But I've watched clips of him and on the show he seems kind of like any of the bachelors and then on Twitter during his exchanges with you. He seems to know things and have kind of like a cutesy saucy nece. Yes. He is my takeaway from Colton, by the way, I liked him. And I don't know if he's gay. Everyone's like, he's gay. I honestly, I have no idea if he's gay I can tell you this. He likes to be on television, right, which so do I. He loves the whole bachelor culture, and he's very savvy about it about all angles of it. And that he's very media savvy, very social media savvy, and is smarter than people might give him credit for how to savvy virgin since Kevin Jonas. So that's. It's exciting right savvy to add a new entry on that Wicky. That's nice. But I find it so exciting that you will be involved in a gay rom com. Just feel like we have spent so much time watching them. We have ourselves. Right. And there's so many that we love, but we haven't seen ourselves. I know we've been good paying customers quite calms all these years and return customers, what are your favorite Rum's? Oh, man. I have been so rom com focused my whole life. But especially in writing this script co writing the script which we've been working on for a year and a half. Now, a really didn't realize I know we were kind of under the radar working on it. But what are some of my, well, you know, you have your rom coms, which are more respected, and you have your wrong cons, which are didn't get great reviews. Maybe but you love you, watch them. When you watch them, maybe ass all the time deliver us from Eva, right? Yes. Yes. Exact- that's the one complaint back. Yeah. Honey is wrong. I don't know think like a man too. Jenifer Lewis does kill it. A nap Jennifer Lewis. Yeah. So what am I some of my favorite rom cons? I mean, all the usual ones. You know? I grew up loving when Harry met Sally and all the the great Nora Ephron movies. I also love a movie, which is not as big of hit called keeping the faith right with Ben. Alf men, and Ben Stiller, and she's like caught between a rabbi and a priest in in real life. She's a scientologist never comes into play. That'd be a good sequel. That's a really well constructed rom com. Edward Norton Notting hill holds up surprisingly. Well, just saw it recently. Yes. I also just there's something about rom comes specifically that I appreciate where you have an actress relying entirely on charm, and then I say to myself years from now she's gonna kill it in an Oscar winning drama. I know. And I just recently got sucked into Pretty Woman again, which is constantly on cable, and you can make fun of it. You can find all the plot holes. You can talk about how unethical parts of it are, but you get sucked into that shit. But it is because Julia Roberts is a fucking great actress, I think and a movie star, no, Richard Gere and Laura Sanjay coamo and Hector Elizondo, and you realize in rom coms all movies, but especially round comes how important casting every little on Sombor role as right, right, right? And also I felt like in rom comes your way likelier to have supporting characters who have surprising moments of humor. At sat you know? And also a dramatic moment, you weren't expect. Yeah. Right. The on samba in Notting hill, those brush actors sit around that table with Hugh Grant, they are so fucking good. I missed when the name Simon Callow was just in the lexicon, just like just a main ish gay guy who was like fourth. Build and things friend of mine in college dated him. What? Yeah, it was much younger than him at the time and still is. Trying I had to sit through that Simon cow was it's not well just to be clear at Simon Callow Callo, everyone who's a great older British actor not Simon cowl from Americanized. Yeah. He's in four hundred funeral. Right. Exactly. So they dated and I had to sit through he has like a famous production of one man Christmas. Carol perfect fucking not Aram com. Stick to Scrooge. Anyway, Christmas, Carol, Vanessa Williams. Yeah. We other rom coms that are great. There are sort of. You know, what I got sucked into again recently on TV, which is like a quasi irom com is big. Oh, yeah. Which one of his top five performances still it Tom Hanks is good in that movie and Elizabeth Perkins may love her. Yeah. The movie introduced me to garbage. And then I realized I was thinking of big daddy. I don't say that again. Which I saw in the theater though. That's also a penny Marshall joint. I'm sure that's what dragged you back big daddy. No big. Oh, right. Right. But no biggest so good. I mean a league of their own not a rom com. But I don't know. There's something about it. That feels rom com. Esh? Oh, sure. Yeah. No. I mean, Lori petty is another name that people should still be repeating themselves at night, Lori petty on a plane once I nearly passed out wishy in the Lori petty who had a moment on orange is the new black somewhat recently seasons. Yes. And on every season. I think she snuck in later she came in right up. But she had like a a wacky. Look the last. I saw her. Yes. But when I was wondering. Say what she was trying to kill the girl. Laura preference trying to murder her because she thought she was a spy all has-beens on that the characters. I would. No, I don't think I have no idea. Okay. Canada. Number one is still moonstruck. That's all I watch the most often flawless follow. Also to me. What's interesting about that movie is is actually shot kind of like a drama like the scenes have the urgency of a drama, but the characters are so kooky. So the comedy is in adding there kind of silly steaks to what feels like a very weighty almost like goodfellas or fritzy's honor type movie. Uh-huh. Right moonstruck. Is it makes you angry at so good? Everybody is perfect. It's like seventy minutes. Right. And we know I went back, and I was thinking God when Harry met Sally they cover so much territory. It happens over ten years that movie must be two and a half hours running time eighty three minutes book you Ryan I for keeping it so tight, right? Yeah. That's really hard to do. I don't know if people realize how hard it is to cut movies and keep it tight like and still tell the story it's hard, well, especially in the area of I mean, not not to your good friend, John appeti-. But it just like something happened where we just decided more is better. And like we I think we're now winnowing back down to ninety minutes. I yeah, not need to be in the theater longer than. No, neither you don't have that. Attention actual theater. I agree which I love giving a six hour play. I will see stop it. Totally right. I actually agree with that. I'll be in. Whatever the inheritance, I'll watch that nonsense all day. You know angels in America. Yeah. It'd be there for weeks the whole aura STA starring whatever grave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Billy. I have a very important question. Okay. None of the lion. King commercials have had beyond saying them an interest. She's not actually in the movie definitely in the movie because I've seen a rough cut. And I've heard her saying Kanye feel the love tonight with Donald Glover. And I'm telling you fucking good. Wow. That's really exciting. And that was never my favorite song. If I'm being totally honest. Right. Because they don't sing it in the right? Exactly. Right. I liked when Elton John saying it, I love Elton, John. I don't want. I I don't want to give too much away about that. They're very they do not want us talking about it. But I I will just say, honestly, it it made me cry not expecting that. We'll also I mean, I ever since the casting was announced that you would be playing to Mon which is Nathan lanes role famously. I've just thought there is no way Billy isn't a nation lane superfan. There's hitting say that that's like got to be exactly around. Yeah. I mean, it it's so surreal to me because I knew Nathan lane. I grew up in New York City big Broadway fan. My parents love Broadway. I saw this landmark revival of guys and dolls with Nathan lane. That's my favorite musical and that soundtrack. I'm listening to cost, of course. That is a perfect revival. Nathan lane, faith, prints. Walter, bobby? I saw it was the first time. I saw Nathan lane live this way before Lion King before birdcage. He was just a New York theater actor he didn't even win the Tony for that. He lost a Gregory Hines. Right. So wonderful. Sure. But Nathan blew my mind, I've seen him live on stage so many times, and then, of course, birdcage and everything else. But he's genius. Right. He really is. And he is who I wanted to be when I was growing up. I didn't think about movies. I thought about theater I just wanted to musicals. I went to north western I was a musical theater major. And if you ask me who do you want to be I would say, I don't know Nathan lane. And so I don't think I knew that I want to you. Oh, are you? Oh, yeah. I'm measles theater kid. That's what I like. And so to be doing Nathan's role is I mean, it's it's honestly now his most iconic role, you know, in a way certain generation. Yeah. And so it's shocking. It's bizarre. It's terrifying. You can't really do it better than he did it. You can just do it your way. Right. You know? And I will say one thing that helps with that is that my energy with Seth Rogan is very different just naturally than what Nathan lane and Ernie Sabella 's energy was they were both coming out of that production of guys and dolls when they did the lion. King Ernie Sabella was in that production, and they had this very vaudevillian Broadway musical theater borscht belt style, which here in there Seth and I borrow from. But we don't lean into that. Yeah. Much and also the style of animation that this movie is it's so much more for lack of better word realistic that that tone wouldn't really match the animation almost if that makes sense. And so that helped inform what we do too. And help me create something that was distinct. I hope from what Nathan did while also nodding to a little bit of what he did which people ashore. Yeah. A down to earth too. Yeah. Yeah. Relatable? Yes. Exactly. The most. L Kuna, Mattel the most grounded or. Yeah. Last Broadway calls wants you to be in a show. Yeah. What do you wanted to be right? What's your dream? You know, I thought about that. But they've done a lot of them recently. And so I don't know my favorite musical is this musical not that everyone knows called vol settles, which is this is false. I saw the one with hand around us. Yeah. Which I saw I love Andrew. I saw the original on Broadway. I saw Mandy patinkin did it on Broadway. He did not originate the role, but he took over strangely enough. I think probably because just because he liked the show. So he he did Falsettoes on Broadway. One point which I saw when I was in junior high school obsessed with that show, but they just did it and it's not a hugely popular show. They're not doing it again for many years. I would maybe this is maybe interesting, but I've thought about Hedwig. Oh, I love that for you. Yeah. Which they also just did though fairly recently. I don't know. Let's see what else do I like. I mean, I like Sondheim stuff. You know? I don't know if they would put me in that. But I just saw company in London that show was everything. Yeah. I love getting married today. It's my fan reading it was genius. The the you could drive a person crazy with three men doing. It was genius. Patti LuPone was amazing. You could play parolee in Sweeney. Todd. I have something controversial. I I love certain songs and Sweeney Todd. But I am not Louis Hanmi. My race. Exactly. I am not a Sweeney Todd person. Don't at me. Wow. Okay. I don't need Sweeney. Todd Twitter coming out of ETA tell you that's an at ready crowd. Actually, I've got news for you. Michael Jackson's weta, right? We'll see also I have a question for Billy. I every time you're on like American horror story or in some crazy on symbol of actors. You have a movie coming out with Anna Kendrick, eventually allow you know about that. Oh, yes. Good. Yes. Perfect twenty nine. Yeah. That's right. Yes. You are such an actress Centric person like I am. And I was to you have a favorite story of like a legend you've gotten to hang out with due to Ryan Murphy's van. Golly powers. Let's see. I did get. Okay. This is oh, I don't know if I know it's one on jealous, which one what Joan Collins Joan, and I got to socialize it. But we ended up not having any scenes together. But we did all do a cast dinner. And it was I was sitting right next to Joan Collins on her husband this right before we started shooting, apocalypse, the most recent American horror story, and Sarah Paulson's there and Kathy Bates is there, and they got into this whole political discussion I won't get into. But Kathy Bates and Joan Collins just shouting across the table at each other not shouting angry shouting to be heard loud in the restaurant. And then you throw in Leslie Grossman and Billy Lord. And I mean, that's a night. Yeah. Right. It's a night on the town. That's really fun. The whole cast of horror story cult. Chaz bono. Who is in the show that season took us to see his mom in Vegas. So he does have a famous mom. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So we all went to see share in Vegas the whole cast. And then we took Sarah, Paul. I mean, we were all there. But I don't know how much clubbing Sarah Paulson still does. Holland Taylor store on the time. How he was just here. She was I talked to her about the edge of night the soap opera that she was by using. I watched all the scenes, no one is surprised. You got to see. Yeah. Exactly. So we took Sarah Paulson out clubbing at the trash easiest Vegas club. That's one of those like it's a beach clubs somehow, but it's indoors. His like like a, you know, a dip blow style DJ boat worse. And we were like doing Sarah Paulson is in a long black dress. It's like going out with the Addams family. Yes. Because like, I don't know. And I'm like a beret and we're doing to kill us shots at the trash easiest Vegas club. It was like jersey shore meets I I don't know like the Obie awards. That was really really fun. I had a scene with Kathy Bates on the show, which was very intimidating. She's an intimidating. I agree. I interviewed her once and I found her very command. She said something about how she used to be a Martha grant work with Martha Graham, and I said engine she looks at me. And she goes, you don't know who that is do you. I was like I'll name every choreographer you've ever worked with right off the time. She goes, okay. I was like. But she's she's tough. You need to know your stuff. I'm she at one point. I wasn't gonna tell the story. But I'm gonna tell it. It's fine. I was not angry. I love her. She you know last season. I wore a lot of prostatic makeup on the show in when I was playing at one particular role I played multiple roles, and then she walked and I'm wearing this crazy wig. They made me wear hated it. And then Cathy walks in and she had never seen me in the wig. And then she said love that wig. And we're joking about the way. And then she said and are you wearing a prosthetic nose? Wow. And I said, no. No, this is it the Minos then she felt really bad. And she was like, oh, she was like, that's so funny. And I said, yes, she was like, I think it's the whig it makes her no stick out more. Cabby, you can literally say anything, and I don't care because you were Dolores claims, I was gonna say Dolores Claiborne comes from Mary callers. Yeah. Also, harry. That's right. I watched every now Harry's laws a thing. We don't talk about. That's like the last show where it was written for a man in them. They cast a woman. Right. No. Was it that that's the truth? Yeah. Anyway, she she's fantastic. Obviously, I think they did then Carol to the show. Yeah. Right. I did just work with in that Anna Kendrick Christmas movie, Shirley MacLaine. Which I like stammering, I can't believe I know we can't get into all of it. Maybe off camera. We can she told me to use oregano all the time to cure all illnesses. And and and it surely McClain, so I literally went out and bought oregano drops. I'll do whatever she tells me to do she. But you really you're in the makeup trailer. And you're just you're trying to act like it's normal. Yeah. But it's surely mclamb like you're in the apartment, right. You're are you sitting Vincent Minnelli Iraq? Did you hear on the set of Ken, Ken and the Keita Khrushchev walked in right? Yeah. Roese? Those are many words. I'm still thinking about the oregano. I think that you should get a diffuser. The visa at home but essential oils into with oregano at well. Now, I'm going to get a Reagan out set at. Set at Shirley MacLean was adamant about the oregano. And I'm like, I'm going to do it. Because I don't know how old Shirley MacLaine is. But she's not a youngster, obviously, she works constantly. Yeah. Constantly. She was great in that movie Bernie to. Yeah. Wow. The Hami patio more because my house is about the be smelling. Thank you so much for being LA. Love you guys. You're you are the best Bill. It's nice to see you in our studio bar. Yeah. And usually I'm just screaming at Shirley MacLaine that Hammond. He's screaming at back. Coming up after the break CARA Lewis, and I chat with Angelina Burnett about the ongoing battle between the writers guild and the association calendar. Time. Well, just like Jesse James is better. So my first job I'd probably tell myself to. I don't know. Learn how to make an iced coffee coffee. Oh that was your first job while in LA. Okay. Didn't know how to make ice coffee. I mean now in their little Frappuccino things. So what happened when someone ordered an ice coffee? But he got what they got. Well, fortunately, I cannot turn back time. But there's a new podcast from Lincoln editorial team on. Hello monday. That's full of advice. You can start using today every week host Jessi Hempel sits down with featured guests to investigate the role work plays in our lives, and how to make it work for us. Whether you're just starting your first job are gearing up for retirement, you'll be ready to tackle Monday. 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Oh, do you really do that? Now, I was gonna say no because that exist. I know. The white, man. Trying to heart jumped out. But if you're not familiar there is a union for writers, call the writers guild of America and the guild, which represents writers like us is currently disputing with the association of talent agents of the business practices of packaging, which fucks over writers and leads to agents in bad faith, negotiating with their own clients here to help us break down this issue and help explain why this isn't just an issue affecting writers. But a moral issue that we should all care about is my friend prolific writer, and w board member Angelina Burnett. Hi, I'm thrilled to be here. Even though I've been begging you to bring me on to talk about beyond safe for what feels like years, but I'm here to talk about new. Instead we were talking about. Sino Angelina is the person to my first, so I'll be onset consonants trail. Oh, wow. Wow. For him to his baptism. It was a beautiful night. So let's break down. What the initial like what is the main conflict here? So people get it for dummies like me because Jay I barely understand. What had happened? By the way, I'm gonna say when I finally got into understand this. I truly felt like the dumbest person alive initially. So this is very valuable to me also great, well, it's not only sort of generally complicated issue. But there is a value for the agents and making it seem even more complicated than it is some happy to explain it fundamentally this is about conflicts of interests agents. Have what's called a fiduciary responsibility to put their clients financial interests ahead of their own. But the thing is they don't get paid by us anymore. It used to be that agents got ten percent of your salary. That's how it functioned over the last forty three years because an agreement that we signed in the seventies. Because the agents scared us removed are right to sue over this. They have shifted their income from a share of the writers to getting paid by the studios. So imagine the person who is responsible for negotiating for you against the studios is getting paid by the studios. They have no incentive to negoti. She it for you to get more money because they're not getting paid by you. So there's two things there's packaging the verb. Which is hey, you've got a great project, and I'm going to get you an actress and director, and we're going to put it together. So it's, you know, the studio wants to buy it, then there's packaging fees than now, which means that they take a cut of every single episodic budget. So there is a line item in each budget. That goes to your agency takes money off the screen takes money out of writers pockets, then this is the part that goals me. They get ten percent of the prophets of your show off the top. And what off the top means is they get their money first. And then anybody else who gets a share of the profits gets the share of the ninety percent. That's left aside from the fact that we believe this is fundamentally illegal that it they are liable under racketeer federal racketeering laws for illegal kickbacks. I find it immoral. They do not do anything that justifies an. Ownership stake in the work, we create so the reality of these packaging fees, which are like sort of you know, like awkward and weird. And don't make a lot of sense in her sort of like numbers floating around on a piece of paper, where writers all we really care about is telling great stories what this has done is it made them so profitable that they've attracted private equity money, billions of dollars of private equity money have flown at flown into these is that a word sure. Look at your money. Into these agencies mcduck. Yes, they're diving into the pool of gold coins and swimming around so these private equity firms now own majority stakes in these agencies. They don't care about writer salaries. They care about their bottom line. So what has started to happen is these agencies are expanding into production? So they're now becoming studios there now becoming our bosses when your agent is your boss. You don't have an agent. Now. I am one of these lucky people who was born into this business. I'll just acknowledge my privilege right here in one of the benefits of this is I've grown up in and around the system, and I hear things it has been the goal of these agencies for two decades now to find ways to corral as much talent as possible into their agency. So that they can own the business. It used to be. There were a ton of little mid level agencies replica represented lots of different kinds of writers. Now, we've got an oligopoly of four. Very soon if we do nothing it will be an oligopoly of two and we will be working for our agents. A it is vertical integration. It is terrifying. It will gut the middle class of our business. It cannot be allowed to stand. Right. So that brings me to two points. One a lot of people talk about this. In terms of other writers are going to have to strike again. It's gonna be like two thousand seven when my show that I love only had Ted episode. But when agents work for us, we're not firing any where I mean, we're not striking. Now. We're fire. Nobody you go to work the next day. Everybody keeps going to work. And here's this is. This is the thing man writers have this weird insecure self loathing thing that we do wait. You're about writer. No. I mean, I'm not one of them. I think I'm awesome Jerry thinks she's I I feel like the people at this table don't have this problem. But it is a problem within the membership at large that we are just so happy to be here. We are just so happy to get to do this job. And we think of these agents as our way in that our whole sense of our own power gets turned upside down. We are the wellspring of wealth in this business. Everything starts with us this business that currently this recession proof business that made fifty three million dollars last year that doesn't count Netflix that doesn't count Amazon that doesn't count apple. Which is we just learned yesterday is moving into the space fifty three billion dollars in a world in which these studios are making a collective fifty three billion dollars writer salaries have gone down twenty three percent in the last two years that is. Fucking acceptable. We create that wealth. And I realized a lot of people look at like shonda and Ryan Murphy and Jj Abrams, they're rich. What do they need? They are the exception. Not the rule right people outside of the industry sort of think of all television writers and screenwriters as they're all rich. They all like have mansions. But this is really not the reality. Like, it's really just a sort of working class in Los Angeles mirror class. Yeah. I read a postage stamp. Amish under I'm show, there's twelve people. That's right. That are also writing with her. So it's not I think that's the other thing like the concept of a writer's room. If you don't know, you don't know. And so behind every show there's going to be and it's going to be a range of people like you're going to have people that are executive producers, which is the highest title, you can have and they're making a certain amount of money, but it goes down to someone who's a staff writer to writers assistance and all of this. There's a bunch of other people that grows to hiring other people too because when an agency is taking money from the budget of the show, that's one less right or you can hire that a writer who's like a staff writer or like a story editor like getting less than they should be able to get for working on a show. And as you said, you know, like salaries aren't going up they're going down demonstrably going down. And what's getting? I mean the way this works is the guild is the exclusive bargaining agent for writers and because of the. Weird nature of our business where what we call over scale. Compass compensation is dependent on your credits in your talent. And who you all these different factors that go into determining your value a union can't determine that across the board. So the union focus is on getting your minimums every year every three years we negotiate to lift the floor and health and pension. I will say the writers guild health insurance is arguably the best health insurance in the country. And it is unbelievable. We don't pay a penny for it. And that's because writers back in the eighties. Struck for it. Or maybe it was the sixties. My history is a little wink Joan Diddy famously obsessed with WJ health insurance part of her documentary. The weird thing about her. But anyone as got I love her hanging out in the desert. Team paragraph essay about her migraine. Working on the magical thinking the pre the pre doggone one Barbara said. Oh. Yes. Yes. I forgot the. She wrote part of that. Yes. Right. I think they left early because it was a big mess if you've ever seen that movie anyway, all this to say it used to be that the writers guild handled minimums, and we designated over scale bargaining to the agencies, so we never had to go into a contract negotiation, and these contract negotiations are the the strike, you mentioned we had to strike for the internet, by the way, if we hadn't struck in two thousand and seven this knows this story that gets passed down that the strike in two thousand and seven was a failure. Let's be really clear the strike in two thousand seven was an attempt by the studios to break the union and to ensure that we did not get jurisdiction for our contract over the internet that was before net flicks. That was before Amazon that was before Hulu Hulu launched a month after we came back to work, and then the strike thirty percent of our business is now streaming none of that would contribute Alvin pension. None of that would be subject to minimums all of the protections. We get as a union are extended to the internet and streaming because of that strike, so don't let anyone tell you. That strike wasn't a victory. It was a victory. That's not to say. Intil two cycles ago. We did not have to negotiate for over scale. We only focused on minimums so two cycles ago. We we negotiated for something called options and exclusivity. It's boring. I'm not gonna explain it last negotiation. We had to take a strike authorization vote because what's happening is. Because now they're short orders. Right. It used to be twenty two episodes of season. So whatever you negotiated was basically your yearly salary now because most things are thirteen episodes of season or eight or eight and what they've been doing in order to pay writers less is forcing you to work for a whole year on fewer episodes. So it means that we get paid by episodes. So it means that are episodic fee is stretched over so many weeks that experienced writers are working for scale. No, that's a little complicated. I hope it made sense. So that's the agency's job. They're supposed to be fighting to ensure that over scale income is protected. They didn't do that. So this last cycle when we had to take a strike authorization vote and threatened to walk out. It was for over scale. So. What has happened is the ace agencies have shifted the risk of protecting ourselves from them to us. So what this means is we're going to have to take more strike votes. If we don't solve this with the agencies if we don't force them to protect our over scale income we have to protect it through collective action. And is a member of leadership. I'm not gonna ask the membership to walk. If I don't trust that the agencies are going to protect the contract. We fight for you want something about this. That's been I think that's made it all sort of dramatic is like, you know, you've had a lot of extreme rhetoric coming from all over the place, and you know, and I know I'm in a position where I really like my agent, and then I have not, you know, there are a lot. There are many people who have been screwed over. I have never felt like that. And I I like my representation, but it's something where I'm part of a union. And so if I'm not getting screwed over. But if someone else is getting screwed over that's part of being in a union, and you, you know, it's like we're in this together kind of thing. And so, you know. You know, I think there have been a lot of writers that are like I like, my represents my representatives. And I think you know, it's like we've all been having there've been lots of conversations and people been having them. But you know, it's it was sort of fundamentally. I was like, oh, yeah. Like, I am in a union, and like it's kind of an all or nothing sort of situation. I think it's worth talking about by the way, what is a writer need an agent. Why this just in general, what do you think agent does for right or what what what are they supposed to do? And then what actually happens? Okay. Well, this is it's very individualistic agents provide three things in theory access, advocacy, and negotiation Louis stuck over here. With just my jokes that end in Cape Blanchet, I want to make the money off them somehow people provide me though, that's right? They get you indoors. They advocate for you. And then they make sure you get the best deal possible in theory that has been happening less and less because they make their money from packaging fees. What's valuable to them is playing at the top levels and moving there. Pieces around to get the right package together. So that they can extract the most amount of money from the studios because often if there's if there's clients from different agencies on a single project that deal won't close. You'll sell a show and you'll be sitting around for months like why the fuck hasn't my deal close. And you'll realize it's because w EMMY and UTA are fighting over the package fee. It's insane. They are scrambling over back end points. That's where their focus is an any anybody any agent who's going to be honest with you is going to admit that. This is true. They know it they didn't invent this system agent. Does not like I was part of this this this whole EMA and to carry point. I mean, this is hard. I like my agents too. I really do in a lot of people do, and I've talked to a lot of writers who are really upset about our rhetoric because they feel it puts them in a complicated personal position. And I understand that. But this is the reality of taking on a corrupt system. And it doesn't matter. How good a person is when the exist when their job is to pull the levers of a corrupt system. They are. They are corrupt. By it. You're great agent will be a better agent when they're working in a system where their incentives are aligned with ours. It's sort of how we've just had like the past two years politically of just seeing corruption in front of us, and you're used to corruption is taking away people's rights. You know, it's Donald Trump. It's monsters, Sarah Sanders and her KMart pearls. But there's also the corruption that is innocuous fan is people who are very nice to us, and we have good relationships with them, but their bosses and the company that they work for doesn't have our best interests. So it doesn't really matter. Like how close we are with our agent. That's right. And I try to not draw the line to starkly between the micro of this challenge. And the macro of what we're facing frankly globally because the reality is I'm an elected leader of a democratic institution and my job. Is to serve the members. And I've had hundreds and hundreds of conversations over the last two months and people are understandably filled with anxiety about what the world looks like on the other side of this. And so I don't wanna go full Norma Ray. And all at once. The urge like the intensity of the urge to do that. And that's sort of a normal rain moment. But the reality is this is a microcosm of larger forces these private equity, these guys, they're they're so, and I think guys intentionally these are vastly the vast majority of these people are men manner bad. They're not bad. I got a lot of men in my life way. Love two of them are sitting here. But you know, come on. I know though, they still care. But this this sort of avaricious capitalism where it doesn't. It's not about capitalism is supposed to be about churning money. Back into the system right to open new businesses in hire new people. It's supposed to be about moving capital. What capitalism has become is about hoarding capital? So it's all about creating these eddies right where money just flows into one little pool and no longer supports the system as a whole that is a global problem. And it is exactly what's going on here. And they will tell you as someone who worked on the Obama campaign in two thousand and eight I was on staff, I was trained as an organizer through that program. I've balanced a career between political organizing and writing and the feeling of being a member of Democratic Union. And by the way, not all unions, if they exist today are fully democratic, but when you feel people come together, collectively and work out their differences and argue and descent and come to. Common ground and suddenly wake up to their own power in step into a fight like this. I mean, when we started having these conversations people said, this is impossible, you can't possibly do this. They will never give up this money. But the reality is we have the legal right to determine the rules by which this game is played undeniably. We have this legal, right. All that. It takes is collective will. For all of us to say. These are the rules. We choose you agents choose to play by them or we walk away from you. And that's what we're voting on this week. I mean, tell me if I'm wrong affirm for me, it all just very fundamentally like with all there's lots of other issues in this packaging and things like that. But I was just like fundamentally someone who the idea of anyone making more money off of my work than me and a studio, right? Like, I don't have millions of dollars to produce a television shows. Right. So they have to give me that money for that. I don't own a television network. So they have to air it somehow. But after that, I'm like, no one else should be made. Making more money off of the world that I've created than me. And so once like, that's what I that's for me. What I've tried to sort of an when I when I talked to my representatives to I'm like list, you know there. There's all this other stuff that I know is valid in needs to get worked out. But it's just like if you if you're not putting this on air giving me twenty million dollars to make us. He's intelligent. I'm like, I should be making the most money off of this. I made this. I'm the you're the Genesis of all of this. Why do they deserve profit participation? It's crazy. It is completely fucking insane. To me that people whose job it is to get you wanna door, negotiate your contracts meetings, the meetings deserve a cut of my prophet. It's fucking insane. And by the way, they know it's insane. A guy a member stood up at one of our first men member meetings. Former lawyer former w EMMY packaging lawyer he stood up in the microwave this meeting Iowa. You're he he said, okay. So my first week at W in the packaging department. I sat down with my boss, and she explained to me how packaging fees work and she got to the. End. And I said, wait a second. Isn't this an illegal conflict of interest? And her response was it is, but the guilt hasn't figured that out yet, they know aches. Wow. We're about to vote. So the go this voting this week's voting started today. It starts tonight at nine pm. Yes goes through Sunday at noon, we've got a membership meeting tonight at the Sheraton universal at seven thirty. And then another one Saturday at ten thirty in the morning at the WJ theater in Beverly Hills and one other thing we didn't touch on which I just want. I want to briefly get into because it's something I care deeply about there's a lot of concern. Understandably so that going through a staffing season without agents and staffing seasons about to be upon us will revert everyone to the old boys network, and what little progress we have made on accident inclusivity for black folks for gay folks for Blatt next folks folks with disabilities all of this like miniscule progress that we've made will be lost because there will no longer be agents fighting to get these people in the door. Well, the truth is those agents are part of the problem. And we know that these gate keepers have been part of the problem. So the guild has developed a system to create some support around these more vulnerable folks, I think there's a possibility if we do. The work that this can be one of the best staffing seasons for these diverse populations. And to that end, some friends of Iran Carrozza are organizing a staffing season mixer for low level writers to connect with show runners, Amy any OB from insecure. Wean she's amazing. And and catchy Carol who runs all American who is also an incredible person. Joe Henderson who runs Lucifer. This is Friday night at seven thirty. If you wanna come and connect with the show runners and other guild members to ask questions you can. And you just have to Email A J A A S S T at g mail. That's AJ assist. AJ SST at g mail, and you can get all the information for that staffing season. Make sure you can get on the list because there's going to be more stuffing seasoned mixers. We're going to be do- doing lots of organizing to make sure people can keep connecting with people who can hire them to Lucifer show. What it's like to have fans that I'm afraid. I'm so happy. You were able to come here. Angelina, I know clarified not go there. Confused are busy. You are in the middle of making a movie busy tonight this afternoon. Which I don't Lewis will be excited about. Patsy and God. Yes. Lifetime movie about Passi crime the right of land. And it is starring Jesse Miller and Meghan hopes to my favorite air dream ever seen sweet dreams, by the way holds up. I think oh, well, we can argue about all really having the family doesn't think. When we're back keep it. And we're back with our favorite segment episode is keep it CARA. What are you keeping it to? I might keep it is too. PHD graduate. Dr dre who what this is about greedy beat this win. Okay. Okay. This weekend. He tweeted that his daughter got into USC with a snarky caption about how they had avoided jail time in order for her to and she still got an USC, sir. You and Jimmy ivine. Donated a smooth seventy million dollars. You created a whole new school ninety minutes to building a new fucking school at USC. And you have the God damn nerve to come out here and act like, oh, she oh like oh. We just we didn't have to cheat. Like, listen. No. You didn't cheat. But give me a fucking break. And listen his daughter. I don't know her. She'll be very smart she qualified on her own. But that's exactly the type of dumb shit that. I am talking about with lake she got into USC because she's smart and also because again, you donated seventy million dollars to USC a references on our application had to be the buildings with her name in it, you know, and you know, the one that says, Dr dre on it. I am truly doctored. Her name is truly which. Okay. But yeah, it just but so we restore is. Like something like that. Yeah. But he ended up he had to take it down because everyone was like the bunk. Exactly. Oh, I could imagine him sending heard so being lie. She got into Harvard or gale or something like, maybe an admissions place where some white people all the white people weren't paying attention to last name. But there is no way. Dr juries daughter showed up and people did not know who the fuck do the other thing. About it. She was like he did it the old fashioned way. He did it like the white people way where he just gave them a bunch of money, which is honestly a flex let a black person to be able to donate that much money and get his kid into a school the way that like all these rich white people doing for decades. I'm like that's actually impressive in its own way. So just living that Dr dre fine, very few block people who can do exactly Drake's going to be able to get his secret children and schools. There's more than one, you know, there's more than one more than Don. He is hiding children. I mean, you know, it's like, honestly, it's like well Smith, and and Dr dre and and beyond the Jay Z. There's not a lot of black people who can even do that. So just be glad you're able to do that, Dr dre and Jimmy iovine has got to be one of the turtles looking people who has ever lived you ever seen that movie master of disguise? It's like that. I've seen trailers for bathroom this disguise. I never walked into the THEO get yours goggles, sweetie. So got to watch that Dana Carvey moving. Did you see the love guru? No. I didn't Justin timberlake's in that. Right. Yeah. I know my favorite actor and comedian. I was listening to and rapper say what I was listening to justify this weekend. And I felt dirty because it's laps. It's so good. And he so on whatever he hasn't done anything this year. Sorry justified has senorita on it. Right. Yeah. Okay. That's a good sign. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I mean, all of his. Good up into the last album. TB H. Anyway, my keep it this week is for Rosie O'Donnell. What did she do? So there's this book about the view, and like all that has drunk view. You know, there's a book about the view and in it she talked about her drama with Elizabeth Hasselbeck. She goes on this weird asked tangent. Where she says that during that period, she had a crush on Elizabeth Hasselbeck, please say that. But she says that it was it wasn't really like love. It was more. She wanted to like be her Scottie Pippen. I don't know she herself as being her mentor. And then she realized that Elizabeth Hasselbeck didn't love her the same way that she loved her. But then it gets really gross when she says that she doesn't want to guess insinuate anything. But elizabeth. Hasselbeck played softball before. So she's never met someone with a woman with like some let it prowess like bass who wasn't at least a little bit gay. Wow. Just fully invoking softball car. Never met in a female athlete gang saying guess, they were all sucking on the league of their own set is what she's trying to Lori petty organizers Spice Girl at a I've read softball. I think for one year just there on that out there. All right in college. My mom was on. In college. My mom was on a basketball team with my aunt. And then they went to a party and realized at the same time that everybody else in the team was gay accept them. Anyway, that's the only introduction. My mom had the homosexuality before me Donald have a crush on Elizabeth Hasselback before after she realized she was a conservative who probably hated gay people are feeling like it was before. I hope I hope so mind you Elizabeth Hasselbeck has always been one of those self priding people whose light, but I get gay people like she's she's always been like a like a face value supportive of. What's funny is that she was also a fire alleged in the book because her approval rating went down. And they thought that the show was getting to political which fast forward to John McCain's daughter every week. I feel like all they do is scream about politics on this show now. Right. And it is it's unfortunate Elizabeth Hasselbeck would actually fit in on the current view, by the way, it just is so weird that she is totally gone. It's just rare that. Someone who is who has that much or seeming cloud would then disappear. But you know, what I'm glad because this is what she did. She was at the view. She made. I'm sure dumb money. She went to FOX made a bunch of money, and then took her ass home. And was like I'm rich now and just like shut the fuck up. That's exactly what I want someone like her to do just like, I hope Meghan Kelly like it's not gonna happen. But like what I want her to do is to take all her fucking money and leave us alone. So at least limited Hasselback had the decency to leave us, the fuck alone and take her money. Also, Elizabeth Hasselbeck has football money for their families like rich. Thank you goodbye. Leave us alone. Joe white women get rich and leave us alone. Don't vote. Follow suit. Just go into an island eighty that's the key for the next election. It's not it's not getting the vote out together. It's just trying to convince white women not to vote all white people. Please don't vote as vote. Time. But just think about it. We got a schedule like a like a big simultaneous like soul cycle class comes to sail. And like the biggest J crew sail on the planet on election days. Exactly a whole day of activities that they love and it's all happened. It's all free guys going the white women free lift right there. Yeah. The men we'll come up with some things. We'll get like some Cam. Oh, I don't know some duck hunting told him as a lynching going on. So. And then everyone how to the Limbaugh all very quietly go vote in the next election. Forty percent off lifts village. You can't pass it up row. Don't turn don't cancerous. Mike this week is too sassy dictionaries on Twitter. I don't need Mariam Webster's content in my life. This this week. I saw that Marian Webster are pardon me. Dictionary dot com. One of the other tweeted as a you know, how there's like cute little pictures, you can make on Twitter out of characters. And so they made a sign that said gif is pronounced with a soft g I forget, which one is off Jesus. Okay. Then the other one replied back. You must be joking. Joking GO K I N G, then the other one replied back. I sent this tweet while I was at the gym G Y M. So they've been going back and forth. Here's my thing about dictionaries. Can you just be a book? I swear to God. I'm always going to need you scrabble exists. I'm going to always look into it. When I need like that seven letter word with an x and z. But I'm just saying you're you're relevant your perfect person. Dictionaries I don't need you. I don't need to read your packet material for Jimmy Fallon. And if you're applying I don't need to know about it. Okay. Wow. I didn't know dictionary was being the house it like how you referred to it. It's just a book when I'm sure no one has picked up a dictionary truly in about fifteen years. But except for you, you love your you. Love your leather bound. I don't have a dictionary. Actually, I use the internet because it's he's out there among I'm a millennial. I asked him a little bit of Marie Kanda books. I don't think I want to own them anymore. But a dictionary look very August on a shelf. I enjoy on any books. Not really I just think they take up too much real estate, and it's like pretentious. I would rather just fill my shelves with iconography. Do you know what is better than a book have extra Jane Fonda in nineteen seventy nine? This is like we're going to have to go back to follow. Again. Having books is not pretentious. I need that to be on the record. Give me it means. He read them. That's what you don't need them anymore. You could have the devil wears Prada on yourself girl. But what if you don't I just have seen it about it? I reread books. I keep it. So that I can reread it you keep them. So you can reference. Them. Don't don't throw your books away put them in. But put them under the bed. That is our show cautious. Clay will be here at our. Let's keep it. Brief listen to it on Friday.

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Top 5 Best and Worst of the MCU - Movie Podcast

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Top 5 Best and Worst of the MCU - Movie Podcast

"The world is currently in chaos. But there's something we can always rely on arguing with our dumb friends about marble movies dumb. I was talking about you. I Like I like DC smart today. We're discussing which movies and the almost twenty five film franchise are the best in. Which Mickey Rourke that. What does that mean? What is you ain't get an Oscar late in life? Yeah Well House Phoenix rising that beautiful man or woman. Mickey Rourke I can't tell sometimes he couldn't help it. He was a boxer. A No. It's just like when he wears like juicy pants they can't help it. He's a boxer. This week's episode of film houses. It's possible by our sponsors shudder. The premium streaming video service super serving members with the best selection in Genre entertainment covering horror thrillers and the supernatural and. Mac Weldon the most comfortable underwear socks. Shirts undershirts hoodies and sweatpants. And more that you will ever wear will hear more from them later in the show. Today's episode is a Pretty Light Fund. One it's not topical in the news but I thought it would be just a fun time and a fun watch. I'm joined today by Ryan. Adam wounds and James High Ak Mickey Rourke Number One fan. I would say that number to compete for the three. I said before one of my greatest regrets is not buying that signed copy of Nessler to someone else by Mickey Rourke that I found music that one time that would have been cool for them. I was like Oh what do I need a signed? Wait a minute. I should've exactly bought a sign of Rick or whatever yeah so if you're someone right now. That is practising social distancing. You've got a lot of free time on your hands so why not go back and rewatch all the marvel movies? Mickey rourke movies also fly nine and a half weeks Copa Greenwood village. And I know Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man. Everyone has very strong opinions on both. Mickey Rourke and marble movies clearly established. I think I am not to not to cut you off there but I think that only lane people have strong opinions on the more I think. Kill across across the Taiwan. I'm talking generally. We're all pretty lane and we think about things too much. I don't know I would say most people like them all. Most people think they're great and go. Oh cool new marvel movie. I think most people actually have a strong opinion in the earliest ones that they really like really don't like like we're about to talk about the people. Maybe we talked to about it. I think most people do not care as evidenced by most of the box offices of all of these including van. Oh when I thought where remarkable that are outside the the entertainment industry. I'll be like oh I'm going at twelve O one. Am to go see aunt man three and they're like oh. I didn't even know that was coming out. Maybe I'll see it and I'm like what I'm the guy who's driving by those online and going you already saw. It was called iron man and then peel out and I run into a telephone. I found it in tomorrow. I'm that cool guy where Dumbledore your brand of Things that you like doesn't match with my brand of things that I like. We should argue the more. I'll say this a lot of us did line pretty close in what we consider to be our top five best top worst except for one one. Rebel heart yeah. That's right right dead pool man. I don't play by the rules which I figured we talked about the best. I Save Save the worst notice. It's top five and I'm already seeing a six under Ryan's Bet I don't play by the rules man. I'm like deadpool. Wow Man can. Can we go back in time to twenty fifteen first? Deadpool came out never on social media is like I did pull to break the rules. I'm snarky and I talked to God. Did any of you have a tough choice to kill your darling? Sort of thing I I did I. I really wanted to put infinity war on my top. Six but I was like iron man. Three was so hilarious. I couldn't get up there a lot of these so I wasn't neces