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Ep. 84 - Marquette Head Coach: Steve Wojciechowski

The Sidelines with Evan Daniel

30:33 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 84 - Marquette Head Coach: Steve Wojciechowski

"Hall of fame coaches, national champions lottery picks the best minds in basketball. Welcome into the sidelines with Daniel what about basketball fans and welcome back to the sidelines podcast. I'm your host Evan Daniels. College basketball insider over at F S one as well as the director of basketball recruiting at twenty four seven sports. Today's episode is the eighty fourth episode of the sidelines podcast and the featured guest is Marquette head coach Steve wold, you hausky his second appearance on the podcast was glad to have him back on our conversation. Dug into a number of things we talked about his mentors. The obsolete mentioned coach K we talked about his current team. Marcus Howard who I think we'll contend for big east player of the year. We got into his freshman. Joey Hauser and Brendan Bailey who recently took a Mormon mission is now starting for the golden eagles. And after that conversation jumped into a couple of topics in college basketball, and then broke down a couple. Topics in the recruiting world aid is signing week. So that's what we talked about. At the end of this podcast before we get to that conversation, and the college recruiting topics. I wanna make sure that you were subscribed and supporting the sidelines podcast the best way for you to do that as a shoot over to apple podcasts and or your favorite podcast app. Hits us. Subscribe button for me leave a rating leave a review, you can also shoot me a note over on Twitter or Instagram might handle is at Evan Daniels. Would love to know what you think about the podcast without further ado, let's jump to that conversation with market head coach, Steve Ojha hausky. It's time to go. Evan daniels. Send it in big fella now. Let's welcome in Marquette head coach Steve Ojha hausky to the sidelines podcast making his second appearance on the show coach, how are you? Thanks, grab me. I'm glad I did. Well enough on the go round. It'd be invited back. I Free State that my man, of course, you are a second appearance. How is the off season for you? And I have to see your two games in. But how is off season? All season was good as you know. There's not really ever an all using you're always going south into try to grow and improve your program. But I think our guys got better programs moving in the right direction and and were excited that the season is finally here. Yeah. You're gearing up for your fifth season at Marquette. I can't believe it's actually been that long. What's been your favorite moment? Running that program so far. Well, I think the growth of the program, and you know, I feel so fortunate to be around unbelievable people on a daily basis, whether it's my staff the Marquette community, and then most importantly, my players, we have great kids. I mean, they make me proud with the way they handle themselves in the classroom off the court. And I think we have a chance to be a really good team this year. So that growth in that process. You know has has had some ups and downs. But through it all we're out of point now where I feel really good about our program and the health of it all. What about from your basketball career in general you played at Duke for four seasons? You coach there for fifteen years you've been at Marquette starting on your fifth year as mentioned in your eyes. What's the accomplishment that you're most proud of when it comes to basketball? Evan basketball has been so good to me. And you know, I'm a true believer that the ball is magic in it. And the most magical thing that game basketball has done for me allowed me could build and maintain some incredibly special relationships was that's the people who've coached me over the years or the guys that I played with or now the guys that I coached the ball has brought some of the best people in the world into my life. And that's the thing I'm most thankful for obviously a lot of good memories from basketball standpoint. Whether it's being a part of national championships or gold, medals, etc. But you know, now as I look back the greatest thing that the game is giving me is the relationships that I've been able to develop you mentioned relationships, and obviously you've been around some pretty impressive basketball minds who who do you turn to when you need advice or or you're looking for help with your team. Team or you need to lean on somebody. Who who do you go to and you're in those situations? Well, I have a great group of friends that you know, are obviously still involved in college basketball, specifically college basketball, coaching, and you know, one of those happens to be the guy who coached me coach K, and we still maintain a very close relationship. And he's a guy that I would go to them trying to build a program or figure things out number the guys that I played with Chris Collins at northwestern and Jeff Capel, Pittsburgh. I mean, we stay in very close contact when Snyder out in Utah, and Johnny Dawkins at good see, you know, I mean UCF I mean, those are all guys that you can pick up the phone call at a moment's notice and talk about the different things that come your way a college basketball coach, whether that's you know, dealing with success or knowing adversity or. All the things in between. We mentioned coach K. I'm sure there's a hundred things you could point to. But is there one particular piece of advice that sticks out that he's given you over the years? You know, I think he gives us all guys better in coaching. And that's to be yourself. You know, I think he, you know, he he recognizes that, you know, his coaching tree all of us have strengths of ours. That have allowed us to to get to this point. All of us have things that we need to continue to grow out while we're doing those things and engaging in that process of becoming better and becoming more. You'd have to stay true who you are as a person and put your personality and stand on your own individual programs. Now, you mentioned this is your fifth year as a head coach at Marquette. What's been the biggest difference for you and your team this off season? Maybe compared to the previous four. Well, this is the deepest team. I've had and one of the results of having a deeper team is the competitiveness of practices has risen and competitive the competition for floor time and minutes is much greater than it really is ever been since. I've. Been here. And I think that's really important because obviously, I believe I in sharp and having a competitive mentality each and every day should raise everybody's level. And that's probably the biggest difference from the teams that I've had in the past. It seems like expectations are higher this. You assume that's something that you welcome. We want high expectations. You know, we want people to believe that we are not only good team, but a really good program, and I embraced them. I'm used to that. That's something that I've dealt with since I was a, you know, a teenager from my playing career and then obviously throughout my coaching career. I've been at places that people expect and have high standards, and that's what you want. I mean, you won't people to think highly of your program of your kids of your team and your potential to do big things in college basketball. You added some really str-. Wrong pieces this last year. Steve Ed, I had Moreo Joseph annoy and freshman Brennan Bailey, and Joey Hauser, how is the integration of those four players to an already strong core band has been difficult. Oh, it's it's it's going to be an evolution. And there's going to be a process to it. Because as you say, you know, we have a number of guys who have played prominent roles in the past for us and done well, but we have to integrate new core group of guys that brings something different to the table and can make us better. Fortunately, kids in our program has embraced that. And you know, I have guys that I believe who ultimately mission is to win and and become the best possible team. We can be. So, you know, there's been a an open arm. Welcome to the new guys in our program. I think everybody recognizes that they can help us be better. And that is a positive for for everyone in the group euros. Offense was tremendous. Last year. How do you go about trying to maintain one of the elite offenses in the country when you are adding so many new pieces that are going to play such big roles for you? Yeah. You know, I'm I'm not sure we're going to be quite as good offensively as we have been maybe the last two years, especially at the start of the season. Hopefully, we can growth to that as the season kind of moves on and the the newer faces get adjusted to what were what we want and what we're trying to accomplish and learning how to best position them to be successful. I do think we have to be a really good offensive team down the road. But we're we're not there yet. But we're working to get there. I'm curious Steve from a recruiting standpoint, you know, you've you've had some guys that can really make some shots. Obviously, you have Marcus Howard. Now, Andrew Rowzee last year. But you've got a bunch of offensive weapons is that something that you really focused on from a recruiting standpoint is recruiting guys. Can could shoot the basketball. You know, I think in today's basketball in general, not just college at you know, the the more shooting that you can have the better. It's probably going to be for your team. You know, at the end of the day, you still got to put the ball in the basket, and we recouped is a high character we recruit guys who want to take advantage of everything that Marquette has to offer. And we want guys who are skilled who are players who you know, can't can't necessarily be defined by one position because they have the ability to pass handle shoot and think and so we've tried to look for all those things and the kids that we've brought in. I think we've been you know, fairly successful in doing that for sure while known for for your offense. My understanding is there was a big concentration on defense during the off season. Where do you think that stands after playing your first two games of the season? Yeah. I mean, obviously, there's no secret that the greatest room for our program to grow as. On the defensive end, we've not been up to standard and that area we focused a lot on all season. I think this group showing greater commitments at the beach incident, certainly they're well aware that if we wanna do the things that we say you wanna do we have to get a lot better on the defensive end. You know, even though the season is is in its infant stages to the first two games. I thought our guys showing good defensive commitment. And that's got the continue. Marcus Howard has been off to ridiculous start scored thirty seven points against but the cookman hit seven threes. I think he's got a chance to compete for for big east player of the year. I assume you do too. I it seems like he's developed his all around game too, though, we we know it can score at sixteen rebounds, twelve assists in those first two games. I is that something that that he's focused on. Yeah. You know, obviously with all our guys there's there's areas in the offseason that we talked about that will allow them to take the next step is a player, and and you know, Marcus, I think really embraced that. Understood that if he wants to continue to improve he can impact the game in more ways than scoring. We still want him to be a score because that's what he's wired to do. But the fact that he's our leading rebounder, he's got a three to one assist to turnover ratio. And that he's played really good on ball defense through the early part of the season has been very good and shown some growth and maturity and his game. Now, you told me at geese media day that that you would put your two freshman, Joey Hauser and Brennan Bailey up against any freshman in the country from spending time around those guys recruiting those guys what makes those two so specialty you well, first of all they're great kids, and they're they're really willing learners and their team. I guys both of them have good size and length and versatility and basketball IQ, I think they're winning players. You know, they're going to play, you know, both of them should have a big role in our team, Nick. Year. Neither one of them is close to where they're going to eventually be at his players. But you know, you bring highly talented kits in who just want to help and contribute and make our team better where it's about the name on the front of the jersey and not the name on the back of the jersey is one of the reasons that I like those guys so much, and I think the had so much to our program. It's obviously still early. He's just played two games in his college career. But it seems to me in maybe just because of my background in recruiting. And having watched Brennan Bailey so much and thinking he's a really good player that most nationally don't seem to be aware of him yet. I guess it's because he went on that Mormon mission. But I mean, this is a kid that that can really play get Brennan is going to be a really good player for us. And yeah, I think you know, anytime you're out of the spotlight which he was for two years on his Mormon mission. There can be a tendency to forget about him. Certainly we never forgot about him. But he's he's going to be a really good player. He's not grateful. I think he's got a great the hunger to to learn and get better is a very good shooter. Very good offensive rebound and a willing to send her. So you know, Brandon is still just scratching the surface of of where he's going to get to you know, two years away from the games along time. But he's he certainly made a positive impact on our program to this point. I'm curious you mentioned that the two years away from the program. How does that process work? You know, obviously, he's on the more mission, but you recruit him, and he commits and then he doesn't play for for two years. How often did you keep in touch with him through all of that? And I mean, were you guys able to give him certain things you wanted to focus on or how did that process kind of work? Well, obviously with the moment mission, there's some pretty strict guidelines in terms of communication, and then what young man able to do while he's away and we wanted to respect that. So our communication with Brennan pretty much in entailed. Our ability to Email him once. Week on Monday. And we catch them up or with where our program was at. We'd also encourage him, you know, as he was away from home doing something that was obviously really good for them. But at times tough, and I think I didn't come back from the mission of better player. A better person. I think he's gained an invaluable experience of perspective of maturity, and I think it's allowed him to be in a position where he's more ready or college than he would have been two years ago. So it's a it's a positive thing. Even though we weren't allowed to have a great deal of contact with them. Joey Hauser's, brother. Sam had hip surgery this past summer. See, what's what's his progression? Been like, obviously, he's back in the lineup and he's playing, but it's still something you gotta work through. I'm sure. Yeah. You know? I mean, obviously they issue last year bothered Sam specially there at the end of the season he had surgery directly following the end of our season. And it was a long rehab process. But like everything Sam does San Metaxas. He's back in the hip is one hundred percent healthy. And but anytime you take significant time away from the game. It takes a while to get your legs, and your timing and all of those things back to back to where it was and and SAM's going through a little of that. But you know, at the end of the day were a better team when Sam Houser is on the floor, the weather his legs are completely back or not. And and and that will come I have complete confidence that SAM's grew up. Great teammates. I think he's a great college player. He's a team. I I to the off it level. And is is it tough match-up? I'm a big fan of his game. I have been since high school. But what's the upside for him? He's so versatile. We can do things on both sides of the ball. I just think there's a lot of potential there. Yeah. No. I think Sam can continue to grow as a player. I think to his first two years you saw a lot of growth sitting last year. He's putting the ball in the Florida in the basket more his post game became a weapon for us. You know, season involved. I think he can still get better than those areas just his experience and is ability now and upperclassmen to be leader a leader and have a leadership role is is usually important because SAM's a guy even as a freshman, centigrade example now he's gotta do that not only through gamble, but also through vocal leadership and sharing his experiences of the thing. That work and things that we have to avoid. And so I love having him on my team. He's he's what I would hope every Marquette player would be like, I'm sure you guys were pretty excited to open up and get in the the new arena this year. Pfizer forum. What kind of impact can a brand new arena like that have on on the program from a recruiting standpoint from a fan engagement standpoint them. I'm sure you guys are pretty pumped up to get in there. Well, it's as good a place to play a college basketball game during his states state of the art. It was out for basketball. It's great court. You know, from a recruiting standpoint, she the kids that have seen it recognized that you know, building. I two games are fans in clay on mental and its place can get rocking. And I think our fans feel more part of the action in the data depravity center. And you know, we're going to need that as we try to take the next step is a program you in the box will feed off each other. And they're off to such a great start to. It'd be great. Maybe a little bit. Green still coming. Games. We have. Be a healthy addition. Right. It'd be a lot better coach. I. You guys play Indiana later this week in the gavitt games. What's the focal point in your preparation for that gain? Steve. Well, we have great respect for the Indiana program. I mean, it's one of the top programs in all college basketball with the history and tradition. I great respect for Archie in the way coaches and how hard his kids play for them and how well they're organized. It'll be a great challenge for us. But it's a game that if you're a college basketball player, you won't be a part of and it's a big time game. And I'm sure there Kirk kids are alive that our kids certainly realized that and it'll get to blame appreciation for exactly where we are as a program, and the things that maybe were doing pretty well things that we have to get a lot better and a little off topic in and shifting gears a four let you go. You guys are one of six schools that are sponsored by jump man. Is that something that you guys utilize any way from a recruiting standpoint or something that comes up with recruits? Yeah. I mean, it's I mean without question. I don't think we've ever had a kill campus that has not been excited by the fact that we're sponsored by Jordan Jordan does such a good job of servicing and providing for our program. You know, I think it's it's great thing. And our kids love it. We loved the association that we have with Jordan and all the people that help our program within the brand. And certainly it's a positive for for team and program. I'm a I'm a big judger of a you acting for shoes is that why you know? I I got plenty. I'm good. I'm I'm a I'm a big judger of uniforms, though. And you guys I think have my favorite uniform in all of college basketball. Well, you know, uniforms and Marquette, you know, well, that's been a staple. Well, before I got here, you know, the they're very unique. They're always been cutting edge. They've always been all. A little bit different than the norm and standard. And that's something that we tried to continue on. And and we'll try to continue on. There's a lot of Carolina blue in those uniforms. It's championship blue around here haven't. Last question. I I noticed a back and forth between you and and Tom Corinne on Twitter. Obviously, he spent quite a bit of time at Marquette have you guys communicated much, and and you know, what's kind the relationship there. He has got them to a final four is a pretty good strong history there. Yeah. I mean, obviously coach green into amazing job here at Marquette. And and my my one of my roles as the head coach of this program is to be the caretaker of the entire program. This this is a program that's at great history and tradition throughout decades upon decades. And and certainly our engagement with the former players who've made this program what it is. And the coaches that have made this program. What it is. We always try to honor them, and we always want them to feel part of what they built because their DNA is a part of the program. And so yeah. Coach creams done a great job at really everywhere. He's staying, but especially. The at Marquette, you know, taking it to a final four and coaching great kids and great players. You know, it's it's something that I've tried to do is reach out to the people that have made this program. What it is. And still wanna be apart of it some way, even if they're not still here. We'll see. No, you're busy prepping for Indiana. I appreciate you taking out the time, and and jumping on the podcasts enjoyed the conversation. Thanks, man. That drive me like once again, thank Marquette head coach Steve blow to hausky for taking the time out jumped on the podcast enjoyed that conversation now on a shift gears a couple of topics on college basketball and a couple of topics in the world of recruiting with signing day rapidly approaching we'll start with the college basketball two things that I saw from games in the first week. I want to start with Providence's AJ Reeves was recently named big east freshman of the week, not many players in college basketball started out their college careers like AJ Reeves did twenty nine points in his. First game of the season seven of nine three points, you mentioning seven three pointers your first college game has forty eight points through two games nine of fourteen from three seventeen of twenty three from the field. What a start for AJ Reeves. I remember at biggies media day Madison Square gardens as talking to Ed Cooley. And he was absolutely raving about AJ Reeves and how much he had helped him in the preseason. And the way he was played even compared him to a young Paul Pierce. Obviously AJ Reeves is off to a tremendous start. Devante winner Lee was my pick for big east freshman of the year. But it sure seems like AJ Reeves is making a huge statement to start the season. Obviously, there's a long ways to go. But what a star for this freshman. It sounds like he's gonna make some serious noise in the big east this season. The other thing that I saw this week. Obviously Duke was tremendous in Zion. Williamson and Cam in reddish RJ, Barry were tremendous. But the guy that I think was forgotten about a little was the other freshmen, and that's true. Jones brother of Titus Jones five star prospect was number two overall point guard coming out of high school. I think he had a really good week just fourteen points in those two games. But he also has fourteen assists in those two games, seven assists in each of them. Turn the ball over just twice. I think he's probably the most important piece to that Duke puzzle. Obviously that wing talents is tremendous. I think it overwhelmed Kentucky in the first game is athletic ability was very impressive. I don't know that I've seen a couple of guys just dominate another team from physical in athletic standpoint. Like they did against Kentucky. But I I think trae Jones is a guy that is as potent to that team is anyone in the country because he's going to really make those guys better. This is a kid with tremendous vision. He knows how to run the point guard position. He's tough. I think he's a pesky on the ball defender in coming out of high school. What was considered to be his weakness? Was three point shooting in two games. He is three for three from the three point stripe. So RJ Barrett in Zion. Williamson and camera data serve plenty of love and attention, especially way, they scored the basketball over one hundred fifty points between the three of them in two games. But I I think trae Jones is a guy that is deserving us some some credit in love to in a I think he's a tremendous basketball player and he's been off to a pretty good start for freshman as well. Now, let's shift gears to recruiting the signing period is upon us. It starts on Wednesday in runs for seven days among the biggest topics in the recruiting world. And and maybe even the biggest is what is James Wiseman gonna do. And the reason this is such a big topic is twofold, one is the number one player in the country number one in twenty four seven sports composite rankings seven feet tall, seven six wingspan nine three and a half standing reach the physical tools are there. He's mobile. He runs the floor. He's got offense a potential he's got defensive potential succeeded. With significant upside the other reason that this recruitment is a big deal is because of the dynamics of it he played for penny. Hardaway high school John Calipari in Kentucky targeted early on in his penny. Doesn't get the Memphis job. It's most likely that James Wiseman ends up at Kentucky. He takes five visits. He visited Kansas and Vanderbilt and Florida state. He's down to those five schools. I spoke to his mother don's lay artists this past weekend. She told me they do not have an announcement date. They have not made a college choice. It's up in the air. Whether James wise will make his college decision during the initial signing period. Remember the bridge plan was for James wise, men to make his decision in the spring, then at USA basketball and laid off Tober James Wiseman told me that he was going to try to knock this out in the early signing period. Now, it's still could be a possibility that he does make his decision during the early signing period. But it's Monday afternoon. And he's yet to decide if he's going to announce during this early tiny period, I actually think at this point. It'd be unlikely that he signs during this early signing periods. In terms of where is he gonna go to great question. I admittedly don't know the answer to that. I don't think James Wiseman knows where he wants to go yet. I think Kentucky and Memphis or certainly the two schools. But I think Florida state is dabbling in there as well. It'll be really interesting what happens with James Wiseman. That's the number one topic in the recruiting world, which elite prospects are gonna make decisions in this early signing period will Vernon Kerry just finished up his last official visit to Michigan state, but he's up in the air. He hasn't said that he's going to announce during the initial signing period. My last conversation with Vernon Carey was a little over a week ago. He told me at that time that he was going to wait until late November to make a decision if he does that then it won't be in the early signing period. Again, he visited Michigan state this past weekend. It was his second official visit to Michigan state. He's also considering Duke Kentucky North Carolina in Miami. If I were going to narrow that thing down. I would say that Vernon Carey ends up making a decision between Michigan state and Duke. He. Hasn't said that that's my gut feeling. No, recruitment, coal Anthony. Number three ranked player in the twenty four seven sports composite rankings. He is not making a college choice during this early signing period. He's been pretty adamant and blunt that he's gonna wait. This thing out. He recently narrowed his list is taking official visits to Oregon Notre Dame in North Carolina. If I were going to pick a leader right now say it's North Carolina, but he's not gonna decide until late in the spring Jaden mcdaniels in Isaiah Stuart these are two prospects that are in similar positions. They've each taken a bunch of visits. But they each wanna take one more. Visit is as Stewart told me earlier today that he's working to finalize a visit date to Duke. I asked him if he could make an early decision he said he could. But I I would be I would be personally be surprised if he ends up doing that. I think he's gonna take that visit to do. And then try to hash this thing out in terms of and mcdaniels visited Kentucky this past weekend. He's been to a couple of other schools, Washington, San Diego State think that there's a. Good chance that he ends up taking a visit to UCLA before he makes his choice. So I I would imagine both those guys get out of this period without making any type of decision. So question is who does end up deciding during this early signing period Wednesday morning, drew TIMMY is scheduled announcement for eight AM central time. The finalists include kazakh-chagatai attacks Sanam, Alabama. He's a top fifty prospect. It's gonna be a really good get for whoever gets them Chandler loss. In the brother of Dietrich in K J Lawson the guys over at Kansas. He's going to make his college announcement during the early signing period spoke to his father Keelan Lawson earlier this week he said that they are definitely going to make a decision. They don't have an announcement date yet. Another four star guard that expect to make this decision is Lester Quinonez think LSU's probably in pretty good shape for him. But he's got a bunch of other schools recruited in the sa- kid that can really shoot the basketball was really impressed with the way he played during the summer one name to keep an eye on that. We haven't discussed kion Brooks. It's possible that he makes a college choice. He's got a bunch. Of schools on him, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina. It's a possibility that he makes college choice, but it's it's not a foregone conclusion four I'll let you guys go want to make sure that you were supporting the sidelines with Evan Daniels podcast the best way to do that is shoot over apple podcasts and or your favorite podcast app. Hit the subscribe button for me, leave a rating leave a review also would like to know what you guys think of the podcast, you can shoot me a note over on Twitter or Instagram. The handle is at Evan Daniels. As always thanks for listening and have a bay week.

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Our Guys are in Trouble and ACC/Big Ten Challenge Picks

Titus & Tate

1:34:14 hr | 8 months ago

Our Guys are in Trouble and ACC/Big Ten Challenge Picks

"Today's episode of we are doing good guy. Bad guy tony guy cows guy. There's a lot there's a lot of your guys are guys are in trouble. That's what we're staying right now. Every single year we usually have cows guys tony guy And we jump in and it's usually a celebration of sorts you know they're winning games. The the world is excited about their team's not so much this week but we got a lot stuck about. So yeah we're we're going to break down the guys it's it's tuesday. That's what we do on tuesday. So buckle for the rest of the season. We're we're we're going over all of guys on tuesday also tonight the big ten. Acc challenge is taking place both our alma maters or plain. Ohio state will be at notre dame. They're both fine on the road. North carolina will be at iowa. So we have that we have that excuse built in if it goes horribly wrong tonight. We're on the road right. Yeah we're on the road and You know how it is. It's set up in this way for for these teams to get their big wins at home in front of the home crowd. Oh wait that's not the case this season so it was going to be a little bit different. Usually homecourt batters in these types of games obviously always matters in college basketball but they see big ten challenge but a little bit look a little bit different than she you so or it looks like we're going to do our best to pick the games which i thought would be easier than it was like. I thought i thought with the big ten beans so loaded and as doesn't seem that great that i thought when it came time to pick the games i would be. I would be pretty confident. A lot of these. I was not so we're gonna ask it out and we're gonna share and we're going to try to do some confidence type ranking thing and and and have some fun with that at the end but we gotta get to our good guys in her begay state. We're going to do that right after we get to. First woody durham all right. Apologies out of the gate for the late podcasts. Usually we'd like to put these out tuesday morning. You wake up you I don't know usually when you're driving into work but has anybody driving into work. These days i guess some people are But whatever it is our restart your day on tuesday. Usually we like to have the pod ready for biden but we a- we took the day off yesterday because it was moses birthday. He turned him dog turned ten. I love him to death. I texted. I texted you in the production team. I wanna take moses. He only turns ten once. I wanna take him to the dog park all day and spoil the hell out of them. I ended up spending well over two hundred dollars at the store. Which like. I didn't expect it as i was grabbing everything. I was just walking around with like. Oh let's get that let's get. Let's get that and we go. Checkout was like oh my god yes. that's what we do that so anyway. That's why the pot is late is I was. I was being an obsessive dog. Owner air you live in california. Don't apologize to the people. This is probably one of the most dog friendly states in the road. I know and told us that ashville is the top five dog friendly city in the world. I don't know where elliot's but they're pretty high on the map. Your moses program. Since day one in fact you bring it up and gavin. Newsom watched the press conference. He did last week. He said everything is shutdown for human beings. Dogs do whatever you want that out. They all high five. Didn't they left the press conference a enough with the nonsense. We have time to get to Even it starts as always on tuesdays with our good guy the week i will let you go. I just because i'm a giving mood you. Can you can start us off. I have a feeling this week. I don't know maybe not. I say this every week but i have a feeling that we might. We might have similar pick. So i'll let you go. I just in case. I have to do an audible here yet. Well i had this plan at the start of the year mark titus. I thought that every single tuesday when we got together you would ask me tate. What you're good guy. The week and i would look at you. I would cackle. I would laugh. And i would say you already know the answer passenger and And unfortunately the kentucky wildcats are cows. Guy did not let that be the case this week so i i actually had to prepare a good guy because i thought it was going to be simple. I felt like. I said you were gonna ask me. I was going. You're the galaxy brain move would be to find a way to argue that it. This was a contract by seventeen was actually a good guy moves so i was going to do but i watched enough of that game for me to to know deep down in my heart that team that lost to georgia state mercer. I cannot give them the benefit of the doubt by beating kentucky by seventeen points. I don't know what's going on the couch car. We'll get to that but my good guy. The week is jeff. Capel pittsburgh's head basketball coach. A lot of people know that he is famously. A bad guy on this program. And i think this year is a year where everyone's doing their version of extreme makeover. You know what i mean. Everyone wants to be a good guy. That's a bad guy. Alah josh ner coach cows one of those guys and this is jeff capable of do that and started with one quote which player safety is the number. One thing that we talk about here on this program. It's it's our top priority at all. It's parrot paramount and And jeff capel was asked about these kids And specifically these kids playing basketball games when we've had over a hundred and fifty postponements. You know all this stuff. That's going on with rotavirus he said. I don't think anyone can say anymore. That these young men are amateurs. That's out the window. Throw it out there. Not here have -solutely not amateurs. And then he continued news like young players salaries for me and he turned into back then. But i just wanted to say you. And i've talked about this player. Safety is paramount in the world of college. Basketball right now especially when it comes on precedent at times some president times And jeff capable of sticking his neck out there and saying hey these kids This is good guy. Move the week. Congratulations i it could be considered bad guy. But i think this guy because he's trying to get everyone to think he's a good guy one but also as we always know the next layer of being a good guy. You're not winning games and the time you to this is juicy tate that he's coming out and saying this right before he's about to play northwestern Who is one of the worst teams in the big ten and It's it's the coach k. Successor off with collins and cable. And i'm not saying he's getting ahead of it and he's he's to make the conversation about him and his team this this statement just in case you get smoked at northwestern is tonight or tomorrow tomorrow. Yeah they they have the last game. They have the very last game of the whole challenge. I'm not saying he's gonna but it might work out that way where it's a nice little coincidence that like after the game you lose by twenty northwestern any other time. You're like what the hell is happening to pit. I think pit already. Lost to saint francis pennsylvania anytime you lose to a team that has to put the state in parentheses the to clarify which school. We're talking about you lose that team. It's not a good place to be. That's all he started the season It's not going it's not. They're not going to be good this year. Obviously pit and northwestern is in either and i think Any other time you lose the northwestern jeff. What the hell's going on with your program but instead watch what happens. They're going to lose his postgame. Press conference like you had a great point the other day coach. Would you like to expand on. That would make sure that you do not put that score up on. Espn and make sure that jay z does not see this and also let me tell you about why these kids need to get paid. and then everyone's like man jeff capable. What a great guy. We love him so much. He's fighting for these kids and that's the whole point of being a good guy. so jeff cable. Good guy the week My pick for good guy. Week is okay. I was. I was thinking of how to set this up this. I'm just going to say it's dennis gates and if you don't know who he here's the head coach of the cleveland state. Vikings and his team played against the ohio bobcats over the weekend. Eight ohio went on a forty to nothing. Run forty to nothing. Mitt is the all time division. one record. this has never happened in college The twenty nothing. I remember Virginia went on a twenty nothing. Run against notre dame a few years ago and the reason i remember it is because it was so shocking to see twenty nothing run to watch a basketball game college basketball game and see twenty nothing And i remember. Virginia did this and it stuck with me all these years because it was so crazy to see that ohio did that. There was a time out. There's a there's a there's a break in the action and they did another twenty one right after did escape. It's my pick for good guy not only because like how. How do you let this happen at some point. You just have to lose. You have to lose your mind on the bench. The fact that he like didn't just pull his team off the floor and say we're dot were protested. Were done like. I'm not putting the product out on the floor tells me he's a good guy that he's just sit there and clap jason garrett say like come on yes yes every single Let's make sure you do. That's all you have to do. It was so bad that people were tagging me in tweets. And whatever and sending me stuff saying this wouldn't happen if you're the coach gago state again. That's what the people thought. Cleveland state was chicago state because chicago state is the team the green that has the sea state that gets absolutely destroyed. We need the parentheses right now. Making cleveland cleveland. The one i was trying to coach is illinois. So the he's my pick for good guy for that reason but also the extra layer. This is jeff. Bowls is the head coach ohio. He was an assistant on. How a state. When i was under house state. And he's my favorite assistant coach. Tim coach matas my favorite ever jeff bull so much. He is the way i would explain. Jeff bullets to people who have no idea jeff bulls is if you've been paying attention with indiana. Footballs been doing and how much the players look tom. Allen and every time indiana wins. Tom allen's giving a speech like his players. Like jeff falls to me. Is the tom allen of college basketball. He hasn't he's gonna get his next job after this and then he's gonna be beloved and what happens next. I don't know but i love the guy. His players love him. he's awesome so i think this is. This is also a good guy moved. Dennis gates to give jeff wilson. Nice little bump where everyone we had the jason press story they took illinois the they gave illinois game. Ohio did Then we talked about jason preston and historians crazy in the now we have this forty. Oh ron i'm just saying there's there's some sort of collective effort from college basketball to prop up the bob cats and i. I like that for real ballsy. He's and as a former bob. Cats fan obviously the professional version. I think is good or just the bobcat brand you know right now. And he's got a cab. You think of the maybe the tractor. That's used in construction. But right now we need preston and bowls and bob cats in ohio is a basketball state. You know what i mean. There's a chance they say. Hey cleveland obviously going out of state now have now. They've worked into one and that's where they said. The worst part about this game though is going through game score on the on the app and you look at second happened just had zero. It was Like i looked at what's going on. They ended up scoring the they scored twenty one in the second. Half cleveland for the longest it was it was five nothing to in the first half and thirty five. They started the second half thirty five minutes. I have no idea what bowles told the team at halftime. But my god you could record that conversation bottled it up and send it to every team in america and watch what happens next that is that must've been a hell of halftime speech. But yeah i've never seen it. 'cause it's never happened before it's still crazy for does cleveland. State go from here. You want to be in the news but not for these types of reasons but know good guy that week. I wish i could see the press conference after the game. I guess you'd say tip my cap to the other guys And i just want to do that one more time. Let me hit by cap again. You just continue to tip your cap and so you just walk up. And i'm out this case he's doing this press coverage like we just didn't make shots. I we ran. Get off just by bad guys are. Let's move on. What is your pick for bagai. The week yeah bad guy. The week is pretty easy for me. in the sense that i've been waiting for him to go back to his roots to be the bad guy he doesn't have the pinstripe suit anymore. And i think that always hurts when you're talking about bad guys and you're talking about flare but jay wright was in austin texas. He was taking on the texas. Longhorns going into this game you and i especially we were team texas maui bumper thank goodness if texas can just hold course if they can just get through this one last game. Hold villanova off. They get into monday to the people going to be top ten. You know they're gonna jump from seventeen to the top. Send you and i are going to high five. We're gonna stay this maui bumps season but not so fast. Jay wright takes his team down. There you know at the end of that game is not going to miss any of these free throws i don't know how if you're texas you keep fallon conquest through that the totally different conversation but bad the week is jay right. He goes down gets villanova. A signature win It makes you forget about the virginia tech laws. No one remembers it now. All you're thinking about as they got a nice road win at texas texas one of the hottest teams in the country. Dowd probably the terminology used for them. So j goes in. There gets a bad guy winded. The reason it was a bad guy wins right after. Get done with the game that they show the camera and he's like chaka. He does the i told you i like. I like coach. Doesn't want to go over there. But but he's like smile and having a great time like great see shock ac- later by See later and that was jay right in and it was and it warmed my heart. I was like the week. There is easy easy enough. That's been one of my favorite things about the college on. The covid era is is the lack of postgame handshakes which i wonder we we should do. Power rankings maybe revisit this and mid february or something of changes that have happened because of covid that are going to stick around forever. 'cause that's become a lot of the conversation with jay right not wearing suits is. Is this a permanent thing. Because jay even even jay wright apparently doesn't want to wear suits again he's and he's being casual and a lot of people are saying maybe we've seen this is the end of suits on the sideline college basketball coaches But what if. This is the end of handshake state. Because i actually do love. If it's the end of handshakes i still want to. Coach is to do that though where they turn. Because it has been hilarious to the coaches like you kick the other guy's ass and then you just kinda like it's so good. It's so good so bad guys do so bad guy j. rey i still believe in texas. I never stop believing. in villanova. villanova is so good dude. They're so fun to watch and i'm not. I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said already in the last ten years with villanova basketball. But those guys are are so fundamental. They said everybody they put on. The floor can shoot. Could dribble can pass. Yeah no i was gonna say they needed one play to kind of solidify the fact that they are legit and like when jeremiah robinson did the nice little pump fake drive. The baseline got the dunk jones. There was a look over at the bench. Where villanova's like. Yeah we're we're here to play. You know what i mean. Yeah we're good. Don't worry about us. I know he lost virginia tech. But that was mr november. That was a different kind of magic that we could with air legit. I'm buying every ounce of stock at villanova that people were selling a lot of people probably aren't selling after texas but same with texas. I'm still buying if you're if you're trying to sell your texas dot because they lost vilma but i'll take it give jack yet to make both those teams are really good. We'll spend it for texas instead of like. You know the the maui bob and then they kind of lose the first game after maui. We'll say there's like a maui hangover because Maui takes so much out of you. What the what it takes to win a molly invitational. It takes so much you have nothing left in the tank. And that's that's awesome. It was texas as fault so refined end of the day like they move up to thirteen four spots in the ap poll count. So they're good enough of a bumps. Everything we said about texas. After maui still applies. They're still very good. Villanova's good to villanova as i said in the preseason. They just have to play like good enough defense. They have to play like a minus b. Plus defense i think. And they're they're good enough to win. A national to their offense is unbelievable and they didn't score points against texas texas played great defense whatever. But it's just so relentless and so Yeah everybody they put on the floor they can. They can do so many things and it's they're so fun to watch. I love watching villanova especially this video of a team. I don't where jared is this jay right coaching. These guys find him like this. That's that's another question like does he take guys can't shoot make shooters. Yes yes that's it. That's it looks like they're playing a different brady. Bangla like indiana. I mean my god. Like india has guards. Don't even look at the rim villanova's guard. They're just like they look like pros. It's unbelievable Great pig baghdad. We pick this was obvious for me. This is this is a no brainer. Is we're keeping it in ohio. Both of my picks back my pick is xavier head coach travis. Steel who after first of all the crosstown shootout was on sunday. Which a lot of people probably did know. We did our best to remind them by mentioning it. In our preview show that the cross was going to get played but it is the best rivalry in college basketball that nobody outside of the rivalry cares about nettie centric. Yeah it's similar to the richmond rivalry with those. They would be upset if we said that. But i definitely means a lot. You can see i mean obviously zip them up. We know that whole storyline two thousand eleven. The fact that travis had this moment where it's right there was a video of him. He did this last year last year. Travis deal. This is third year at xavier. First year He coaches against mick. Cronin gets kinda destroyed. Lives lost fifteen. He loses mick. Cronin takes the ucla job famously as we know Travis deals not lost since so. I don't know what's going on in cincinnati. Did they bring back. Home is that what should should make like take the week off as you. Head coach and fly back to cincinnati and offer his thoughts to get cincinnati up to. They can't win without macron so last year. Travis joe gets his first win zebra head coach in the shootout. He goes to dana gardens. Which is a bar. Xavier bar like right around the area It's i guess. The the postgame spot he walks in he gives us on a thousand dollars and his son walks in and pays for his very underage son extremely under his walks into the bar throws thousand dollars in the air. Basically whether he did or not just metaphorically through in the air and picked up the bar. Tab for thousand dollars said two thousand dollars worth of drinks. They beat xavier. Beat cincinnati again. This year travis. Steel ups the ante. He he bumps it up the two thousand dollars this year and he says i have. I have two wins against cincinnati. Were doubling it. And he did. He went to the same dana guards and spent two thousand dollars on our tabs at dana garden. So that is that is a big time baghdad. Move back up here for this reason to. We should say because travis deal his first seasons. Xavier have not been awesome. Like they're not. I don't think he's on a hot seat. But if i said travis deals on the hot seat you're not getting a lot of pushback from xavier fans. If you say that no one's going to be like now hang on a second. They're going to be like i kind of see it so the fact that he he does this to remind people not only did. I beat cincinnati. I gave you guys free money. That's you're you're winning over xavier with that move. Yeah you talk about winning over xavier fans. Here's the play. Here's what they have to do in the crosstown shootout next. It's not about three stacks. It's not about having three thousand dollars. It's not about going to the dana gardens with three thousand running up in the air. Because we've seen that now you've done the same show twice next year. You have two minutes a game sitting next to each other defying all odds making people say wait what. I didn't even know that this was possible. You get jp makira sitting next to cronin. And they both have the x. On their chest. Maybe maybe they even have like jp as x. And then you know mick as factor and those guys are just sitting in the crowd with each other mick. Cronin has famously said since taking the ucla job. He's pulling xavier. There is bad blood between his old team. Cincinnati and himself. I think if. I'm xavier i make the play for a mic. Let's try to get you off night when you're not playing to come back to cincinnati. Join us join the savior's that yeah he said he's he said he's savvier look it up. He said he's pulling xavier. There's obviously bad blood between cincinnati and mick cronin. And i think if you're xavier u upped the ante you make this the darkest deepest rivalry of all time. You make that titus. And i have to talk about the cross shootout every time it comes up because mick cronin has turned to your side. Basically this is papa. John moment for this river you get crowded go from cincinnati to come xavier side. And and if. And if that's the case i think that's a winfred believe mcclellan you quotas cronin adult cincinnati. He wants to come back to the were in some capacity. I think you bring him back. You eat the trash. Because i see. There's a tweet guy. Said i asked you silly. Is this the tweet saw. I don't even know what i saw. Was it a fake tweet. I'm not sure. But i will say this. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter this. Whatever it doesn't it doesn't matter how real it is all we have to do. If you're cincinnati ariza your zebra this point. You take cronin you bring him to your side you bring in with the game and you flex on them you flex on cincinnati and you say we got your guy. He's on our side. I don't think mick cronin could ever do this. Potentially but i'm just saying go. Over the the joy of our shows we create our own reality. so exactly grew. I'm talking about what long riffraff cousin. And that's what is the next step for savior. Go and bringing mick cronin bringing it which i did see someone booked cronin on cameo and had him make the they left the message very vague as you do on cameo which is something that i i am so nervous with this of my own cameo that i set up that someone's going to use it to throw stuff back in my face but somewhat book cronin. They asked him to congratulate guy by the name of travis Basically winning the city title. And then cronin said travis. That's big time and you won the city title. That's the ideas that he's congratulated. travis deal for you. I saw your best bringing cronin going. Savior is good for all parties involved in and he he just shows he's above it all he's the ucla head coach. If not he's he's he's like they invited me. What do you want me to do. I guess i'm the coach of ucla. What do you want me to do this. You just have mick cronin throughout the Do the opening tip like a servant or no. Have kenny freezing at yancey gates. Somehow like show up. Oh man anyway. Shout travis deal travis do. That's a bad guy. Move is Not only reminding everybody that you went but a literally just throwing money at them and saying please. Please let me by your support. And i think it's gonna work. I think i think if travis deal if he beat cincinnati every single year and it goes to the bar and gives xavier fans free money as long as he wants. You'll be there. They'll never fire. I mean also didn't jagan trouble for this like same thing. I don't understand how it works. You could just give out money if you're the coach but if you're a former player in the nfl there's no there were no. There were no players in the bar. Allegedly yeah show me to say are you saying it's messing up like players are getting paid eight is that yes. Yes jeff capable. Hardy made it all right. Moving on our tony guy update. It's i so. Virginia state took virginia to overtime. I watched the entire. Here's your virginia. Basketball tastes lovey this. Because you're getting the hauser bolton tonight tonight is tomorrow tomorrow wednesday a getting cited the house. Bowl's coming up so you're excited about this. You could approve wants and fraud joey. Houses saying but Virginia played kent state at home. They were twenty point favorites. I was watching this game with my father. It was on friday night We my dad was excited 'cause He listened to the show. I do what we did with charlotte charlotte virginia as teams. This was charlotte. Wilders first game is a virginia basketball fan. And we're excited to see what happens. Is charlotte going to be a curse. Whatever divides were charlotte. Yes kids day hits the three at the buzzer to send it to overtime. Virginia ultimately exit out gets the win I have a feeling and and these sorts of games are have been the mo virginia for a while that like they. The stereotypical virginia game. In the tony in an era i'm not included in the national title name. Or you know. Obviously he's had some upper echelon teams but the stereotypical games like virginia's up five or two minutes and then they just kind of like to slowly tightened the screws and and win by like seven or eight and you know and but they're always like if you turn on the game like virginia might be in trouble but the kind of having right where they want him. They're just playing with your food. A little bit. That that to me has always been the virginia experience. And i think we're going to get a lot of that this year because this team i still believe i still think they're good tate. The defense isn't there yet. They don't have a virginia defense yet and their offense. Is it other world. Like they need. Sam houser to like. He had a good game of and houser played pretty well. But they don't have guys that are they. Don't have your kyle guys in your deondraye hunters and and they don't have that so they're not going to run away on teams. I think virginia's gonna win a lot of ball games but a lot of their wins are gonna like this. Where it's you look up. You're like what the hell can states hanging with virginia house. Yeah they have to figure out some way to make threes. i think in the first game. They made fifteen threes. If i remember correctly and you know the virginia basketball world was on fire they beat tulsa which is in maryland. Put the parentheses around it. They beat them. Everyone gets excited. You you turn to me. You say sam houser for life go ahead go ahead let the people know actually got that tattoo you for life and then since then shooting twenty nine percent from three so when i look at virginia they have to figure that out if they can get some Some sort of consistency from three point. Line like you said they have a real shot at having a normal virginia season They had the defense they have. Huffing hauser are salad enough key houses house by the way. Just that allowed. That's a nice little houser. Yeah yeah that's a little ring to it. We're hoping housing. I'm trying to think of odd. Virginia that i'm worried about is that i'm the third best team in my state you know and i think i'll there. That's something that i look around. And i say to myself i thought still the best even. Acc so what did they tell you. Well virginia tech is better than them. So virginia tech is the best team in the acc. Don't blame me for the numbers. That's just the facts richmond. I think it's better than virginia right now. So their third place in their own state. tony's got to turn that around. But you know they're still the they're still the acc favourite amongst the media lead the does not they have not lost. Faith sam houser. And i do think that if they have a good showing an acc big ten challenge that everyone's back on the bandwagon. Don't forget don't panic. don't pay virginia. Never forget the new york times crossword month ago said acc basketball powerhouse and it was not unc va kick. Can i interest you in a mystery. Blues virginia basketball. We we love mysteries on this program. Play the music kyle. We have the key. Clark mystery G clark was the starting point guard in national champion team as freshman. He threw the past Deke teigen's purdue for good kept run alive he. He was a starting point guard on a national champion team tate. Kia clark is no longer. The starting point guard for the virginia cavaliers now in his junior year he has lost the starting spot to reese. Beekman a freshman Who is good. But reese beekman is not He's not a guy that that that he's he's not a one and done guy he's not a guy that's the is in the top five of dr option. And if you're clark shrug your shoulders and you say oh. Yeah well. I mean i mean they brought in derrick rose of course behind you know. Recruitment is not derrick. Rose so what is the mystery here. Tate is what is going on. What is chia. Clark is g in. The doghouse is reach. Beekman awesome practice. I don't know this is just a mystery to keep your eyes on because it just tony. Hey kia carts hair. Because like he's got bad hair. He's got very bad here. He he went to anthony gill route where he just like somehow showed up with just awful hair in the off season. And i don't know what happened but I it's it's it's it's i don't have a conclusion yet. I'm just saying there's a mystery out there we're going to. We're going to get the bottom of key. Hey clark's Best attribute if you were gonna go push come to shove you asked me what is best attribute as its vision and i think caucasian would probably be the the accurate description and when you have the hair. I feel like his peripherals blocked. I cannot confirm this. But i think the coefficient is going to a little bit down because of their I think this is good. News for north carolina fans because as we all know we are dean smith basketball community. We believe in seniority. Believe in those who have put more into the program And that is what north carolina basketball does. They would never do something like this key clark. So that's good to see that. The classiest dean smith north carolina holding up compared to you know they've been at not classy tony. Tony bennett is going coach k. Which is obviously not classy and And putting in a freshman over a junior. We don't like to see that but it is expected at some level So you know. I it is what it is but i do think yea clark. I think i think do a full makeover with shock mark. He went the wrong way. He went too much hair stinky. Tie it back. You do something to give people maybe even do the old cow guy. You know what i mean. I don't know. I know what's possible but the hairs blocking vision. Tony bennett hasn't really said much about it either. I couldn't figured out. I was texting my virginia. People and i was like what's going on clark. They're like nothing. I don't think we trust tony. Tony knows what he's doing. It's not. I'm like this isn't normal. That a guy a guy starts on a national new policy. Greg over again yeah. That's not. I mean maybe may could just be as simple as kia clark. Five seven and other teams have figured out that. He's not great defensively. Just because he says virginia's chest doesn't mean he's like actually a good defender and now we're in year three and other like yeah we could probably just go with this guy and get shot we want. And then tony's like The secrets out. He's like. That's why i grew the hair out. People don't five nine four more inches anyway. We'll keep an eye on that. The key clark mystery is is getting juicy down in charlottesville. So i mean the the worst part about is that key. Clark i mean. I would be shocked. He he made this later on but he will never go publicly and say something. You know what i mean. That is the good news of virginia fans. He's not going to go out and say you know coach. Ben is cutting my time for whatever reason and i'm upset about it. He's just going to keep his head down and keep what's going to happen kirk's going to get a job back and then the story is going to respond that they were just trying to get like re speaking some confidence or some bill death del. Yeah that that's really all was all right. Now let's get to the The real exciting part of the good guy bad guy segment which is cows guys. The wheels are completely fallen off for cows. Guys they are very much kids they are has babies they are they are. We are very dangerously close to a junk. Perry press conference where he talks about. How the how kovic has kept these guys from like if you really think about it because of all the time off and not being able to work with the guys in these kids. They're actually kind of like high school freshman because that you know they lost last year. They lost their senior year of high school. Kind of and the now. They've lost their offseason. So if you really do the math neither did. Your fifth graders dictators. It like he's gonna start right now. Don't know what these kids yeah. We're very very close to that That that john calipari whereas he talks the guys get younger and younger. By the time he finishes his sentence they're still in the womb but the wheels have fallen off kentucky they. They're throwing the ball over the gym. They had twenty one turnovers against georgia tech as you said that the bullet-point for our show today that they lost by seventeen to georgia tech a team that lost Started their season with loss to georgia state and in mercer which orser mercer is a parentheses team that is a pretty steam then they turn around and beat the the kentucky wildcats the the brand of the south divergencies conduct. They beat it by seventy eight. This is this. maybe i'm overreacting. But like when i saw this i didn't watch his game. 'cause like why would why would i like i watched the kentucky that james classic Move get this out of my face and then Obviously georgia tech is not good. I i was not interested in watching this game when i saw the score. I was shocked. This my initial reaction was. This is as bad. Or it's up there with robert morris with Evansville of last year like this. This is that bad. And maybe i guess i could walk that back a little bit. Because georgia tech isn't vertex wake forest but it's bad that's bad that is that is one of john kerry's on the john calipari mount rushmore of bad losses at kentucky. Derby it has to be for sure. I mean this is one in three for the first time in two decades. I think we're going to hear that for you. Know until they win their next game. That's gonna be the number one thing the number one topic. I do think there is a little bit of revenge That went into this game. Josh passenger knows coach. Cow goes into memphis after him. He kinda gets a little bit of the calipari secret or the dna which you have to due to win there. So there's there's some sort of layer to that. I'm trying to give them credit for this. Also the what does it. What does he know his share. I don't know he knows prepares. I don't know we'll give them the benefit of the doubt. There livy sar. If you're georgia tech. You're like i know all of you. Sorry you know what. I mean i. I don't care what dickie may think. This guy is not that good. You know georgia tech has a little bit of confidence there when they see on the floor. So there's a little bit of edge in that sense Kentucky's africa turnover. This is a great stat. Every one point six minutes. Wow that is absolutely insane. And then after the game callup period two words turnovers and toughness. He is going to be beating those things into his team That they need to be tougher. They to turn the ball beating esteem. He said. I got so much work to do. That was after the georgia tech game. I do find that funny. like what. What is the work to be done. obviously talk about tough dissolve. Obviously talk about turner's they don't have the talent it seems right now our they just haven't clicked quite yet. There's people that i saw in the kentucky. I would depot biglou nation as this game was going on the match jones wrote. I wanted to see what everyone was saying. I mean there was some people that were saying that alleviate our had burners and that he would say he was chatting saying that. It's not his fault that they're losing games. I mean it is. We're at that stage but kentucky basketball and it's it's a it's a drama. You know what i mean. This is something that we have to tune in to coach. Cows not gonna go away. He's going to get ahead or is he. Is he going to get ahead of the head of the story all year. Celtics over for the knicks. Halfway he's just because the next head coach and he just that would be bibs contract to get forces. Your rebecca rose walks in worldwide west picture. By the way you talk about like like a pastor. Have cal secrets. Because he took over for the pastor gets the job of memphis at. He's he's walking into the office and are going to touch. Don't touch anything here. Taking a bunch of pitchers these right down notes of how likes his office. Share like the color of wallpaper. They have a picture of wallpaper and the office. Passers just writing down all these notes. And he's like in seven years. This is going to cause. He sees coach cows fat head of himself. He's like keep it there. I want. I want to keep that on the wall. Keep looking to that. yeah. I mean years. Yeah that's crazy. How old was passed. When got the memphis. Joe big twenty. I remember it was big at the time but like even look back my god. This guy's like forty one for fifteen years l. Bit yeah So you mentioned john. Kelly period two words game. I have two words for you panic Where is your hand on the kentucky panic button is a panic button out. Yeah it is out but you're pushing it yet. I am pushing the button. I think hitting. Yeah this is this to me. Kinda reminds me of their twenty thirteen year the year after they won the championship in two thousand twelve. Where there was kind of just like Oh shit the seems not that good but they ended up. They ended up having a better year than they were in eighth seed they make the tournament. You know whatever they kind of figure out so. This team could do that same thing. They're going to have that same thirteen. Yeah right no. That was the problem worse year. They went to the it. Ls right. that's okay forty. Fourteen is the us in kentucky chamber twenty ten carolina in two thousand thirteen kentucky. Right they went to the it though which is pretty good up to that. That's what it feels like that type of year but kentucky fans seem like they're even more off the cliff because last year they did not win the championship We did not have a tournament so they have nothing to really look back on it. They hey don't you know you can say whatever but still the chance you know. That was the twenty twelve situation. So i'm waiting for them to figure out what they're going to latch onto. I don't know if it's going to be you know just the nba guys. I i could see like bam out of by this year. That coach cal only talks about the nba basketball and the guys out to the knicks. Patino back to camelot done. Signed done happened gingrich. Kentucky is it's going to be a long season doing the cows guy segment. i think. Yeah yeah yeah i i. I have a feeling we're going to do a lot of Repeating of thoughts of just saying so. We're we're we're going to measure the situation at kentucky by. Where's your head on the painting bug. You're saying you're already hitting it so maybe we just do like when i say the word. Yikes how many is are you putting in. Yikes y'all By is just guy exceed. It's thirteen is thursday for one in three and six. All right. we're gonna take a break come back Do cleanup duty. Some of the stuff. We probably should have hit that. We didn't with segment. And then we'll get to a big tennessee stuff after this quick break to get a word from our sponsor amish a legendary offer just for ties to tate listeners. 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Marquette here So marquette ends up eating wisconsin movable will say that but but the the the conversation coming out of this game is basically that happened in the last five seconds. Yep there there was a dmitri. Try to shot from wisconsin. Looks like it's going to be a game winner whatever. Dj card comes down. The other end is is being guarded by dmitri's questionable call. I thought it was a good call. Cards drive to the basket. Trike because tries tries the flop which. I don't understand why you do this in this moment and and i it was one of those things were like. You hate that. That's the call at the end of the game but at the same time. If there's twelve minutes left in the game. Brad god the charge go to say that that was brad probably would have probably. Yeah detroit's trace. You're not brad davison. Don't try to emulate the perot his own your feet but yeah if that if that happens and there's twelve minutes left in the first half they're calling every single time you know like they're calling the blocks so like i don't eat as much as i don't like it. You have to call the game. You have to call what happens in front of unicef. Dmitri price is going to throw his body guy flop and then. Dj loses his feet. That's a foul. You have to call it but did it happen before. The buzzer sounded. Became the question coming out of this game tate. The for those who missed it. By the way i'll i'll i'll go through. The rest of the dj card. Then makes his first free throw right to tie. The game. misses the second. Who who got the judge was justice. Louis got the system lewis. Justin louis got the tip in At the buzzer for marquette on the second free throw marquette went to But then the sluice of the internet started pointing out that the clock stop the market was at marquette. And this is why it's interesting. This is why. I wanted to start this. We again we love mysteries on the show. Game is being played at marquette. Marquette timer seemed to have stopped the clock before the whistle was blown on the the dj carton. Drive to the basket. And the reason that's important is because there point nine seconds left. And you start. Mapping it out and maybe the foul happens after the buzzer wisconsin. Shoot of one. What happened here but then you get other people that are saying what we saw was just the clock on the broadcast which wasn't imperfect sync with the clock in the arena The clock in the arena actually stopped at the right moment. A lot of mystery around the state. How do you see what what what is. What is your vibe coming out of this explaining it to the people. Yeah the vibe is pretty simple. Whoa joe learn from the best and What you see on tv is not what actually is reality. You know nine times out of ten especially when you're in cameron door and the clock is always going to be on their side and whoa joe is a wizard. And he learned from the best. And i'm not saying that there was any chicanery that happened here. I'm just saying that. Wo- joe knows how to play the game and and i wouldn't put it past them. I think the best thing that happened in this game is that I don't know bottom line is probably the simplest way to put it because i did think was You know. I thought wisconsin was going to lose his game. I think would try to shot. I was like oh wow. That's interesting and then you. Oh well that's interesting. That's interesting and then come back home and at the shots carolina's don't know yup knew that was gonna happen. Should not have deleted the tweet that said it would That was the first thought there. But it regardless. Dj carton has a key. Clark situation going on with his hair a little bit there where i'm like. Who is this guy what what happened to the car that i remember at ohio state but then he makes the first free throw ties a game and when he misses the second free throw. There was a freeze like a like a like a frozen moment in time. You saw it all happening before it happened. And the tip goes in marquette gets to celebrate. I i was excited for marquette worth anything yes you can point to the clock yes you can put dollars other things and i'll tell you this. Whoa joe knows. He's probably the only one that knows and we can work it back a million different ways but they tipped it in bottle lie. Congratulations of the golden eagles as an ohio state allom watching the last free throw was Interest to borrow your word. It was interesting. J. carton is you're sitting there scratching interesting picture. You like watching like austin rivers springs zeller's famous. You're just going hm well. Let's certainly fired before me but digit carton house to transfer as you said. He misses the free throw and then mike potter misses the box out that ultimately leads to the justice lewis tip in and mike potter was beside himself. He was like he thought he got fouled. He thought he thought there was some chicanery going on. He thought maybe you left earlier. You like he had the look on his face like how does chicanery. He really did just like he just looked at. The ref like that is not what i had intended to happen. How could this happened. I don't understand sir. Can i get a mulligan. Yeah as it. Ohio state guy like it was it was interesting. Just watch you. Yeah carter missed the free throw you know. I'm not sharing against either one of those guys but it was just like funny. How the state transfers had. I'm actually cheer for both of them. I really like dj. And mike mike as my good guy the week because he is a good guy. He's a great dude. Yeah i'm pulling for him. Yeah that's tough to to to miss a blackout like that for the for the win but more to the point the clock mystery. I love it it out. One of my favorite parts of college basketball twitter which is college basketball. Screenshot twitter anytime we start getting screenshots from both sides of the fan. This is you talk about like That's interesting. I think this is going to be. My new stick is like anytime screenshot. Twitter makes the parents. I'm just gonna tweet screenshots. Just go interesting really interesting. That's interesting because you had wisconsin fans watch. Watch the clock. watch the clock. It's not there then. Rector it stops. And i'm just going to say interested. The marquette fans will now hang on a second if you see earlier in the game there is out of seeing the broadcast clock in the arena clock and then three tweet that say interesting. I want to get the officials report after the fact and you say interesting just And that's all it. Is you just leave us air. What is so interesting. Just love screenshot screenshot thing because it's It could tell any story you want to tell you know. And they were the the the highest high of screenshot. Twitter was grayson allen trooping. People and people were like tried to screenshot it with his. Where were his eyes. Look where the basketball move. Here's the screech. Yeah i i love it. I love it so much. So shout out to marquette wisconsin delivery hus- screenshots of mystery and intrigue in various other things very very interesting. What else is interesting to you. It is a smu dayton. We have not talked about dayton much. Obviously we are frequent flyers. You know we we wrote. Ob top into the top of college basketball. Last year this year dayton They were on a twenty one game. Winning streak i believe and then in the country right longest in the country. And the smu techs our buddy That took us around sean. Before the game and he sent me the officials for the game. it was teddy ballantyne. It was jamie lucky. And i can't remember the third one but it just jamie lucky and tell he's sent me that before the game said this is going to be a long one and that was enough to get me to watch some of this game because i'm like i just wanna see these guys in action t. v. Yeah he's the star of the show honesty when the star college basketball the season and this is a in the same vein. They win this game. Sixty six sixty four. It was a it was a while wasn't right buzzer career. Tv teddy was You know having the best day ever and jamie lucky as well. So i just wanted to show you their undefeated that little under the radar right now dayton tournament team so you know no shade to date but shouts smu. It'll be good but yeah it's the second game right up. Didn't open with the loss. Yeah no that would be brutal if that was their first game after last season. You're like that's all right. We got a lot of guys back. We lost ob. But we're good. We're going to be okay. We're an we lose the buzzer. Start this shit and it's go What about kansas. Kansas police creighton today. Most people listening to the pod. Probably the games already happened but The kansas storyline that we have going into this game. Kansas favored by like four points or something which found a little surprising. I know it's at kansas. But there's not going to be right. There will be fans. I don't know it's no fans can't be certainly not going to be the allen fieldhouse atmosphere so they can kind of throw that out the window. I mean it's kansas really a better team the green. I don't know we'll find out. I guess today but Kansas struggled against north dakota state. Kansas has been struggling this season. And a lot of ways and It it's they beat kentucky and thank god they did because if kansas had lost to kentucky and the kentucky turn around and lost by seventeen to georgia tech for the sky with this guy would really be fallen lawrence but I have my kansas jayhawks. They were the team going into the season of all the four big blue bloods kentucky carolina. Duke kansas i thought kansas was the best They were they just seem like Like they don't have the top tier talent. Obviously that's going to be a talking point for kansas all seasons. they did. they probably don't have any first rounders. Almost certainly don't have any first rounders on this team. But i just figured you know they. They always play great defense. They always find a way like they're not going to have abu racing every shot in the lane but mccormick's good enough and and garrett's the best perimeter defender in the country. And i figured they would play lockdown the get enough offense just from like dumping it into the post or i don't know finding the just being bigger and more athletic guy is they. Would they would win. I guess that's what they did against north dakota state anyway. The point estimate. Kansas is not playing good basketball right now. So this is going to be a big A big data. Point against. Because i think craig is very very good and i. I'm so excited to see what happens. Today craig's got guys. As i mean they've had i think eight players score in double figures already this season on their team so it's not just one guy not a one man show. This is only the second game in history with both teams are in the top ten And that to me gives a little bit of a advantage to kansas because they have obviously played in these games built up obviously played in these games. Creighton is trying to You know punch their ticket right into applicable blood status for the season. They atop the team. Like i said they have not made the sweet sixteen since nineteen seventy four. This is a long time coming for the mcdermott's you know basketball family. This is what they wanna do. They wanna on top. And this is a state the game. And i think if this was allen fieldhouse with fans and they're rockin and going crazy and it's rock talk jay halsey. John hawkes season. Then i probably am all in on. Kansas and i think you know a big win for them but i don't know without fans there. Creighton is the better team on paper. Better team yeah for their team overall. But i could see just being outfield house that but you know playing a game that they may not show up. But i don't know i i. It's hard to pick cases at home but this year. Just hope court even matter so i don't we both increase the better team but we also both. We're not going to be surprised. Just winds so what what you say is creighton. His definitely going to win. And then when the just say interesting the only thing i wanted to point house richmond. Yes i think it was yesterday. It was sunday knows yesterday. man ya It was yesterday richmond. Be wofford of pretty a game. They the the richmond spiders Who who caught everyone's attention. We were high on richmond and our previous. We said they bring a lot of guys back then. We were even name. Those guys were going crazy there like other interesting back. They beat kentucky. The jumped on everyone's radar are now rank the richmond spiders Had a close one wofford probably should be offered by more than they did it but I wanted to draw. Everyone's attention that richmond on sunday. We'll be playing at west virginia. So the richmond. Spiders if they've been on there on your radar a little bit. You're not sure when you should pay attention to the begin sunday. Play out west. Virginia tune in. That'd be awesome young famously. The second best team in virginia Famously you know they. They've got people and they got the media people behind them. It feels like this year because they beat kentucky and now the only bad thing about richmond ride having that kentucky win the more than you know kentucky goes around. Losing other teams are going to hurt that building. When that's the only bad news for those guys. But mooney's got the clear face masks that we love You talk about a brand makeover. That's really good to see For richmond basketball and it's a great rivalry. vcu's has some good games So far this year too. So that moody's another guy who was on the hot seat. Not on the hot seat he was he was on the pre hotseat. He was he was on this hot. Take hotseat like if you if you if you you want to be. One of the regular guys say jim christian. You're like and also watch out for mooney originally been there for a long time. Hasn't quite deliver the goods. And then meanwhile he's being kentucky needs to be a seat or like the hot seat is like the whole fan base hates you and want you gone like get this guy out here now ma but there has to be a see the indifferent seat or something. We're like chris mooney. It's not like a state of emergency. We have to get this man out of our basketball program. But if if chris mooney was fired over the summer time. Yeah it's it's time seat. Chris moody's fired. How many richmond fans were are going to be up in arms about it now that be like oh shoot day no please don't go so now. He's he's he's so so far. Coaching pretty wellard teams. Good whatever you wanna say. Richmond is in a good position here. So i'm excited to see them sunday. Virginia all right. What's the one thing in west virginia. Georgetown west virginia game in georgetown could have won that game. George was actually impressed me early in that game. And i don't know i'm a little. I know we were all in a west virginia. The start of the year. They're still finding themselves a little bit but one was oppressive. Georgetown and two. I would be shocked richmond. Kind of what. I'm seeing college basketball. A whole is Eric just honestly. The best team in the country is barely worse than like the twelve team. I don't know what to cut off of this but there's going to be very obvious code. I'll just give it like another month. And i feel like the creams going to rise and then every other teams is going to be thrown into the mix and anything can happen territory because always been parodied college basketball especially in recent years but with with the corona virus situation and games getting cancelled. And you have no idea how much teams are practicing and Josh passengers no five on five practice. Maybe that was the thing with georgia tech like they just didn't have any five on five practice so they weren't good out of the gate and now they have a couple of games like the game. The first two games they played were there. I five on five action. And that's all they needed. And now georgia texas good the rest of the way and that's why they'd be kentucky. I don't know who knows all it is. It's interesting at that. Believe not all right. We're take a break. Come back in go through these big. Acc challenge games makes some picks. 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They'll tell us we'll be playing. We'll try to is kansas and creator playing but other than that the the offering on the college basketball slate. The that have our attention is the big ten. Acc challenge. i am a big ten guy you are. Acc guy we love this event for that reason because we love to Take whoever wins and pretend like they are actually the best team. The best conference in america when optimally doesn't really work that way but we make it work. So let's go through and pick the games. This was this idea. I had was to do a confidence. Is that what you call it. A confidence ranking confidence. Pick thing like like you do with. Nfl pick him games or college football bowl season. There are twelve games on the slate now that now that to a fallen off we are going to rank these. We're going to sign our point values one to twelve and how confident we are so make your pick. Tell us how confident one is least confident. Right yeah best way to do this. Yes per then. We'll we'll see who wins. We'll see when the dust settles who smarter you are so the first game and the challenge is at five eastern today. It is purdue at miami. How i see this pretty simply and i am writing. Purdue miami's only played one game against north florida. I don't think they have the experience. Is they awang head. Twenty points in that game. Chris likes his back one of my favorite players and all basketball. But i'm still going to ride with purdue and my confidence level for the purdue boilermakers is going to be five. Oh five they're pretty simple. Pretty easy pretty smooth love. Larranaga loves zaki though Too much. I shoot eighty two percent of the field 7-foot-4 guy. We talked about the start of the season. So rights ryan the big man riding purdue Taken five their confidence confidence in the purdue boilermakers. I'm also taking but this is a big shots game for me. And i could see purdue purdue if they're hitting threes. they look awesome if they're not the garbage on clemson already kind of handed it to him earlier this year. So i'm not super confident is i could see purdue just going cold and then i looked like a moron for picking produce. I picked purdue but i only did two points. It's one of my least confident. Picks is especially just purdue. Did you see purdue. How confident can you really be improved. I mean is that. Is that like where you wanna find yourself saying. The words. i'm very confident premiere basketball. No no probably not but it is listening. I won't say that. But i i. I don't know why. I'm all in but He's seven foot four and just kind of endeared himself to american. I feel like this is the time when the acc fans will see him and fall in love with him. So i play next game at seven eastern tonight. Boston college at minnesota. Yeah people forget. The boston college villanova That was you know. I think they lead by eleven points or maybe nine points about fifteen fourteen minutes left to go in the second half and everyone was freaking out so boston. College gave me a little bit of hope. You know where i'm like. No i don't mind this team that they have some talent. But i'm gonna take minnesota. I'm not very confident in minnesota. So i'm gonna go to hear. Wow i I'm gonna take minnesota over boston college but nothing crazy. Nothing illustrates how wild these games are in the sense of how great the matchups are and it shouldn't be this close like it should it. I thought because. I didn't really pay that much attention until i start going through the picks. I figured there'd be like four or five games. That are just no brainers. Whatever not really. They're they're all pretty great. Mashes kudos to the whoever creates these matchups. What they're doing. I like the biggest any air every single year. And he's like these k- it's a beautiful thing. Yeah i actually. I like minnesota i. This is the most confident i am. I twelve points. It's not that i'm confident minnesota that i not confident boston college. I think boston college blue. Their wild against villanova moment. That was there that was the if they beat villanova the hang their hat on that and they say we have something with this season and they use that as momentum they did not using using close loss as momentum is not a good place to be an ultimate. I think this is a Rick pitino calls a son and gives them a pep talk concern. I want this boston college job. You have to kill these guys. And then and then little dicky passes the word downs. Marcus car marcus. Car is going to look at boston. College tickets ohio state. And he's going to ball out of his mind. I was gonna say marcus. Car is the x. Factor in the entire big ten challenge. Ac big. I think that he has a chance to make a name for himself. He's already getting both national player of the year. For all the haters out there. That wanna see. he's not. he's not if marcus car. I if my editors are saying clear the they want the buzzer marcus car with any trophy of any kind. I quit i quit. But i'm out. I hate to see this. You don't like to see our north. Carolina iowa is seven thirty tonight seven thirty eastern your thoughts. This is the iowa fans that have been reaching out to me. They say this is going to be the big test for luca garza because if you look at the front line of north carolina yet day ron sharpe who comes off the bench six man i think he's going to be You know some energy. He's got great hands. He is like moses malone light. I would say that. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna jump to conclusions. But this guy has the hands that i love to see Garrison brooks a mondo bake walker. Cast where they can throw bodies at luke garza but i will say after saying all that that iowa has always had a number for north carolina. Everything you know dating back to the eighties microcell dumped duncan the dean dome although that was i will say i think that they i mean. Someone's gonna take this pretty sure. Iowa was the first non conference team to win in the in the dean dome. I'm pretty sure actually. Don't fact check it. I'll say it. Ensure that is true. So i was always had their number this a you know obviously at iowa. Luca garza's big national game to let people know that he kim palm as number two right now for national player of the year. I think he should be number one. I i think he's great the best you can be for a big man. I'm gonna go ten confidence level. I will win this game royale. I'd like to do this to my tar heels. I hope that they show up. They have a chance after losing the texas to maybe get a bounce back game but this is a tough draw at iowa. We know against the confident in iowa. Hawkeyes get the signature win the carolina. I also picked iowa. I gave it a five point. Oh wow i have more faith carolina you guys have like thirty seven footers are. We had just throw luca garza one after another and you can just hack them and rough them up and maybe that'll be the strategy. I don't know. Roy doesn't really do bush league stuff like that. I wish she did. I wish i wish he would just have gains. I was john chainey was on was roy. Williams assistant was thrown. Walter chesler out there to begin walker miller get into the game west. Yeah i think he's really going to try and get loopy. We've entered goon territory or is going to be happy. I wanted to be a good game. Yeah it'll be good game. I got iowa at five points so it's middle of the road. I think i was going to win. But i'm not i'm not. I'm up at the house on it the next game. That's exact same time next game. They'll be playing at the exact same time. So america's choose which gave me wanna watch. Both of our teams will be playing time. I didn't realize i still. I see it in front of me at seven thirty. Also i'll state will be at notre dame mom. This is the dan goodwin. Bowl call it. Dan goodwin a notre dame basketball player. Transfer from ohio state was at that. Moderate group. didn't wanna play for. Chris holdman I wonder if that's gonna come up. I wonder if during the pregame warmups. Chris gonna be like. Hey you dumb bitch play for me. I like ohio state like ohio state. Not because i went there. But just notre dame is we. We've talked about this before that. Notre dame is kind of in a weird territory with the program right now and i think i think my brain has his sights on maui. In fact next year in fact if might break him out and announce he's retiring after the mailing invitation. I wouldn't be surprised this three. Spn to have. Mike break come onto that set and take over and like you know kind of do a digger did but just be more fun loving for everybody in america. That's the best play for. Mike bray at this point but one hundred percent when he retires he's going to. He's going to do broadcasting and he is going to be a molly correspondent and It's going to be awesome. But my confidence so i say that My confidence is at nine points but my it is not so much that i'm saying ohio state is awesome. It's more of dislike. I don't i. Don't trust notre dame. I just don't trust under ohio state nine points. Yeah i will say in this game. I wanted to ride notre dame. They've only played one game. Ohio state has won three games. They won all three of those games by double digits They looked really good. I like suing the couch. Transfer i was telling me the other day i was like. I don't know who this guy is. But he's probably my favorite player on the team I have a belief in coach holtman especially the start of the year. So i'm gonna go ohio state and i'm going to go shockingly eleven kamu all right all right i like that. That's that's that's a bad omen now that we're both on a lotta love. How confident we build. Our the next game is penn. State virginia tech. I'll make it quick. Virginia tech eleven points. I i i'm thinking about it. It should be the most confident i am. I think this is the big. This is probably on paper. The biggest mismatch and the entire challenge right. Yep absolutely and virginia tech for me is the best team in virginia. I want to reiterate in virginia number fifteen in the country. Big win over villanova Gimme the hokies all day. Confidence meter at twelve misir november mike young. I brian to get a win over tonight. The the marquee prime-time biggest game of the challenge. Circle it all that kind of stuff that everyone's excited about illinois duke To teams that lost last week. That are desperate for wins. They lost marquis games. Illinois lost baylor. Duke lost at home to michigan state. So both of these teams are are looking for a statement to say we belong in the upper echelon. We belong in the top tier. If we're doing to your talk. Who do you pick how how confident i will say illinois. Turn the ball over too much. They they give me a little bit of pause when i look at this team. I thought that. I mean it's crazy. You think about this. That it's a top ten matchup because both these teams right now mean illinois's obviously topped in taming. My mind duke is not but they are playing a top ten game. I could see duke making some point shots in this game with an issue and twenty eight percent so far as a team that has to improve at some point with cook as driving kick reliance. They have to start making shots eventually titus. I don't if the cardboard cut out the the k. cut out the crazies. Whatever you want to crazies. Whatever you want to call. I'll gonna help Coach k.'s going to figure out. So they may he does the wo- joe clock thing that we that we make this work. I'm gonna go a confidence rating in nine And i was gonna say i was gonna say six illinois but i for some reason in my head i'm gonna go confidence rating nine for the fighting ally. Oh very confident i am. I am confident. Illinois's the better team. But i i'm doing the closer picture at test. I owning a camera. But i also see michigan state winning cameron so stephen f. austin wanted cameron it. Yeah i know. But i just can't i can't bring myself to see like illinois basketball team celebrating on care all coach cake or you know the first time the two teams of coming to cameron and one in back to back games. I can't see the graphic. it's the reality of it. I can see. I can't see brad. Owner would put into fists in the air. We did it his assistance hugging him and all that and then he say to tools to to coach k. As their coach. I can't see it having said that. I think illinois is the better team so i i'm going to pick illinois. I'm only given one point. This is this is the pick up least confident in for that for the just the picture test. Just the closure is a picture. Doesn't pass it. But i think illinois better some picking illinois from one point so let's go finally the last game again. It's going to be played at the same time. It's only way but the the last one we're picking for tonight is syracuse at rutgers basketball. Nine thirty also your thoughts. It's simple as this. I think that new york basketball is jim behind him. I think it is syracuse. I think it's their world. I think we're all living in that world. And i think that new york owns new jersey. And i think regardless of the rankings. I think regardless of the fact this number twenty one next. A wreck is basketball. Buddy bay heim jim behind the syracuse orange playing around. They're going to win this game. My confidence is i. One as i say i'm taking the syracuse orange To win the last game tomorrow night or tonight. Actually jesus were already tuesday last game of the night Syracuse over rutgers. Buddy bejon doesn't let it happen. Newark reigns supreme and they get the win but my confidence level again is at one no records to dial two in rutgers. Rutgers is one of those teams. i was screwed by not having to turn last year. They are hashtag unfinished business team. Whereas jim boeheim is complaining. That games are actually taking place. He's losing at halftime and he's saying why are we playing this game here. We kind of glossed over that. By the way she chance to be good guy that we that was an all time. Behi moment that got glossed over behind is losing a halftime or he was losing right. He was down seventy halftime to bryant and he said why are we playing this game. We should not be missed. That's where mine's a rutgers especially records at home there at the rack. I know they don't have fans but they never have fan so works out perfectly. There's going to be perfect for them. records is is on a mission. This this season. I have it at seven points record winning. I'm confident the records is gonna get it done Moving onto wednesday first game of the day is going to be maryland at clemson at five eastern tomorrow. Your thoughts on ellen. Yes so maryland is one of those teams that You know we always joke about we. Make fun of margin We always talk about brad. Burnell Talking about him being on the hot seat. This game is at clemson. I like the idea of clemson being able to get a nice win for the acc but something deep down inside of me. You talked about the the. Do i see in my mind tests. I don't really see it man. I'm going to say it maryland. Lock me in But it's only at a confidence level. Three i don't feel great about it but i'm gonna take the terrapins down there a clubs a three. This is a this is a game. I am not going to watch the second although it's only one on the time so maybe i will. Maybe i'll throw it on. Why a forty four percent as a team for three point line. So there's a chance maryland can make some shots. I am overvaluing. Clemson's win against purdue. I watched a little bit of that game i i was higher on produced. I wanted to be coming into the season. Clemson had their way with him. And for that reason. I'm taking clemson and i'm taking clemson for eight points and if you ask me to defend it if you asked me if i actually believe that i should take clemson breakpoints points idol but i also am not gonna take maryland. This is just a. This is a classic. Stay away game tate. If i'm on against all odds with cousin. Sal i'm saying stay away saying this is a classic or extra points. He's on the extra point pocket. She's got it on the extra. Yeah i can't keep up with. It's hard enough to keep up with what we're calling our podcast car coming soon. Twenty twenty one. Yeah this is classic. Stay away gave for me. I'm taking clips of reading points. Just because a moron. And now that i'm looking at it. This speaks more to like. How close all these games ours. That i couldn't. I was ranking them. I don't actually believe in that. I believe in are really nine ten by nine. Eleven twelve six. Then once you get to the bottom made. I'm like god. Damn i i could go. I don't know all right indianap- florida state. Ooh indiana and florida state. I kind of riding indiana a little bit this year. I liked what we saw at the maui invitational street. Trace jackson davis like the fact that they have an identity when they decided to just throw him the ball and say hey trace just bear offense. But i don't like the fact that they have to go to florida state. I m jay walker As a senior and you know has been able to kind of lead this younger group. Scotty barnes and some of those younger guys With this team. So i'm gonna go forward state. I'm gonna go confidence. Level eight I do like indiana. Like i said. I think that they're going to have a good year. The big ten but not tonight tomorrow night when they go to the go down to tallahassee so florida state at eight this is a revenge game. Indiana floor stay last year challenge. Florida state was acc champion last year. So i i see florida's a kind of doing what texas did india punking the guards. Its affluence day like you said which again the fans don't matter but it still matters a road game still matters because there's one team that has to get on a plane stay in a hotel be a little uncomfortable and the other team doesn't and that's still matters a little bit so even if there's not a full house it's still a little bit so i'm taking florida state as well. Also the eye test as we keep saying the the picture it test like. I just don't see it in my head. I can't. I can't see it in my head. That indiana goes to florida state and beats florida state back to back years in this thing. I just i can't see so. I'm taking florida state But i also like indian. I've made that clear program early in the season. So i'm only. I'm only given this three points but i like bluer state for three points okay. Florida state for three points next on the list Seven fifteen tomorrow playing at the same time as indiana floors day is georgia tech at nebraska. I'll make it quick. I'll go first. I like georgia tech. I over value in the kentucky win and nebraska is not good and i know it's add nebraska but georgia tech has to have some sort of momentum right. I'm doing georgia tech for ten points. That's my assessment. I like georgia tech as well. I'm gonna go georgia tech for four points. I don't have the confidence as you said. Because i watch georgia state. I watched the four overtime game. I know who the coaches josh pastor. I know he's going to go on the road and fred hoiberg. I would soon as able to put together a game plan to maybe keep them off the offensive glass. That's georgia tech new. They can get offensive rebounds they can go to the free throw line if you can keep them off the glass. They look abysmal. Maybe to brass it can do that. So confidence level for. I'm gonna take georgia tech but i could see nebraska you know and hoiberg get a nice quality with you're gonna try to take little small baby steps this year georgia tech squad baby step. You know what i mean. They beat georgia tech at home. They did it. Raise the banner nebraska. We beat the team to beat kentucky. You know all right. Final two picks. We have the house rebel and the coach k. Successor bowl we start with the hauser bowl at nine fifteen on. Espn tomorrow night michigan. Add virginia again. This is a close. Your eyes and picture game. Virginia in virginia cavaliers do not be michigan state. It has never happened. They are oh and seventy four all time against the spartans. Don't fact check that but at the same time it's probably true. I like michigan state. I like sam houser to be the better hauser. Then it's going to be clear. I think after this game we're gonna we're all americas all gonna say. Wow sam is so much better than joey but michigan state has more horses in virginia. Does michigan state is a better team. And tony bennett. Just can't be tommaso. That i think that's gonna be the nerve coming house. I i did six points away okay. Six points i. I get seven points. I got michigan state. Lucky number seven. Joe joe hauser goes into as the younger brother goes into charlottesville. Let's the world know that. Hey i may not get all the stats like my brothers sam amen. I may not make the flashy plays like my brother sam. But i'm here to win. i will. I will average twelve points eight. But i will do the dirty stuff i will get on the floor. I will play hard defense. I was slapped the floor. I will get the spartans team going and I'm all in michigan state. Getting this win. I think if they winning ad dugan winning virginia also. That's gonna make a real statement for big tim basketball. I know you're gonna love that. So joe hauser locked me in Seven on the confident On the confidence scale. So i didn't go into which are the games. It would be michigan state virginia illinois. Duke that if are those the carolina iowa. But i feel like that's less Where we've really care in terms of like the the state of the conferences right like if michigan state wins average a and illinois wins at duke victims year. Yes yeah it doesn't matter of carolina beats iowa at that point it's year it doesn't matter if they see wins the challenge. I think the big ten wins those two games. It's our here you then there's any there's any person in the world that if we went to them and they and we said you know can you give us the acc big ten challenge stats from two thousand ten to twenty twenty and they gave us the game like at anyone do that because i do find it funny every single year we all get caught up in. Acc big ten guys we. Yeah we we always talk about. Who's the better conference and the challenge. It means so much but in reality. No one's ever like pulled up the remember the acc every year for five. Yeah yeah i've years tie we just don't remember specifically what the games were but yeah yeah of course always showed gets the ryder cup or something. You're who's gonna be the first first of fourteen. Who's the team. That's gonna hang a banner that says we were part of the if if like the big ten fourteen big ten challenge the big ten went twelve northwestern. Hang a banner. that's a we were part of the twelve hit. We reported the historic. Acc big challenge. We be pit and ask us win. Over georgia tech wins as you big ten now the clinton or the cop our final final game pit northwestern jeff capable chris collins Your thoughts date. I think i'm at four here. That's my last number. Yeah pitted northwestern the good guy of the year bowl. I think nobody nobody leaves here without saying something. Nice about the other guy. Cable's going to complement. Chris collins program and vice versa. I'm a miller cop guy i North western has a real shot at Maybe winning some games this year. I don't know they won their first game down into forty nine over pine bluff. They are third nationally in effective field. Goal percentage that's nice little staff where he's gonna take the wildcats confidence level at four I don't know what pippi did did beat drexel. So i mean. I guess that's suffering also pennsylvania state that did happen They did lose. The saint francis also bids vania. That also happened. So i'm gonna arrive in north western conference level for everything you said. Apply it to my thoughts are a copy. Paste what you said. I also have northwestern for four points as well. That's the one that i think that's the only pick that we both are the exact same on in winter I i think ultimately is the games at northwestern and again. I'm too stupid to like really process. There aren't going to be fans. These games in the home court advantage is kind of nonexistent. But i thought it still matters a little bit just being at home being comfortable at shooting. Atmosphere used to shooting and all that kind of stuff opera forty points. That's what i'm saying in this game at least twenty points at least so there we have it. That's yeah tweet that out. Let's keep track. And then if i'm winning i'm gonna read tweet it like crazy if i'm losing. I'm going to say this. This is interesting pretty interesting. Who thought the challenge is that i'm excited. Let's let's see what happens next Shutouts close out before. Go a shout out to force matures because as we were recording this program i got a text from. Ucla friend and in that text there was a picture mark titus and in that picture there was a jump man and the jump man was next to x and it was next to ucla ucla. Bruins are jump. Man jordan brand they have fourth matured their way out of under armour. They he new ways michael jordan. He had a manifest destiny to get to california. He got san diego state. He got it is all he ever dream abdul-jabbar and he's done it. Michael jordan congratulations. You have the ucla basketball program. Oh my god let s championships added to the list. The goat you heard it here first. This is taken over. All of branding job is cronin city. Yes and michael jordan now owns the bruins who would have thought. Oh my god dude. Is you sell back. yes yes. This is unbelievable. I saw that. Ucla was playing The players were wearing a mismatch of Brands like some guys will rare in adidas somewhere under armor somewhere nike as they were going through the forest muir situation with under armor. I didn't think i didn't think this is going to happen. I thought they were just going to. I thought it was just going to be like a An arranged marriage situation where they just under harm. You say both just kinda ate each other. Obviously you know underarm some good publicity this year. You know what. I mean with some different teams with steph curry curry brand. And things like that but this is jordan. This jump man speaking of shoutouts. I'm going to shout out. Ucla the student's section cardboard cutouts of anyone. I am the student section. Ucla thank you for that That was cool. I saw that we didn't really get featured in the picture so they tweeted out a picture of all the corporate cut picture karima. We're in the background people. The only reason i even saw was because people were taking us or like is that journals. Yeah i i've always had this weird thing they would. They would give us nice shirts. You know but they'd always be under armour adidas you know and i would say would love to the. Can't you know what i mean. This is against my brand. And now to think that i can wear gentlemen logos. It's going to be great. I'm always amazed. We gotta get through game. San diego states like wait. That was our thing. We're the west coast towards branch belt. Aren't they playing marquette. Like marquette friday. Are we going. I mean worry there. We're the cutouts there we go. What other shadow have i. I wanna shout out baylor in gaza for for player safety being paramount to these programs. You know a lot of people have been asking mark. Are you bitter that you cook the last minute flight to indianapolis to go see that game and find out that the game was cancelled until you're standing literally right outside the arena getting ready to walk in and then you look down and check your email and it says a statement from baylor. Gonzaga games cancelled. Go home no. I'm not. I'm not bitter. I'm gonna tell you why because player safety is paramount. It is of the utmost importance to me and the fact that this did not happen. I'm actually. I'm not mad at all. I'm actually laughing. I'm actually happy. This is a good thing for college basketball for the health of the sport And i think player safety one out in the end and good for all parties involved is my statement. On the matter are the microphones. Off the microphones offer not recording. It was so sad. I was texting you to say. Let me know what looks like in there and then immediately is doing that. I see the senate to you. Sent me a picture of your car. Being you. The only car in front of the arena i parked. I'm gonna have my chest. I think it was my fault. This game got cancelled. Because i was flexing on everybody. I know i was texting everybody. I know rubbed it in their face. It was about to be one versus. Two and i was going to be the only person in the arena whether i was the only person or not. I even drafted a tweet. That i was going to take a picture from inside the arena and say i'm the only person in here you if you hear that anyone else's in here they're lying report. Pat pat forty tweets up. Mount says. i'm in the arena. He's lying. I am in the arena. Here's a picture to prove it. No one else is in here. I was going to build his narrative that i was the only guy there. I was talking all to my friends i parked. I'd borrow my mom's car. I drive down downtown. Indy it's a one versus two game in downtown indianapolis circumstances. The place will be crawling with people. Even the people of indy. I don't care about either team. They get excited about a good basketball game. They would just be like people go downtown to be a part of the atmosphere and i parked literally. If the president united states went to the game he have got a parking spot. That i got it was right next door right there. I checked aside says four limit for meter feed the meter. Five bucks and away we go. I was so excited. I took a picture. I sent it to my parents and i said i bet you've never had a good a good of a parking spot bankers life. I flew too close to the sun. I was bragging so. And then i check my phone because i wanted to see where to pick up the credential whether it was the usual spot or if they added new spot for the code protocols and i check my email and at the top it says a a statement from his can't be good ages podcast. The the new damage to on we'll be interes- and tori of every single thing that we have on the show so it's probably my fault for just thrown up double middle fingers to everybody. Say kiss my ass. I i am going to have my michael wilbon moment where i'm the only one in the arena for this and sure enough. It didn't happen but hopefully they get the game played. Hopefully they find a way to play. 'cause yeah that's what america needs is those they are the two best teams in college basketball and it would have been cool to watch somebody. Yeah we need it for march madness. Just save it for march madness. Let's get it the march and then we'll be fine. That's all anything else. Any other shutouts just shouted coastal carolina. I know carolina football. We had coach pope representing byu football when that game was set up. That was pretty cool. It'd byu was down to just travel across the entire country for that though. Like if you're like. Yeah we'll play you guys in conway south carolina. Wherever that is they said and they drove down there and said what did we agree to. Because the crowd was going crazy it was the most coastal carolina thing i've ever seen Since being down in cherry grover myrtle beach wherever wherever you may be. When i was eighteen years old it was awesome to see on a national stage. I don't know what college football will do with coastal carolina. The will not promote them and put them in the playoff. That's for sure but They need to embrace them. Because these people they are college football they have waited for this moment and boy was the game of the year is a great game. I very much enjoyed that as well. I wanna shout out to more wine. Luca garza you mentioned earlier preview. Tonight's game. I just wanted to shuttle luca garza averaging thirty four points ten rebounds three blocks ridiculous still. I know they haven't really played anybody yet. I promised iowa fans that. I would if lavar ball's out i will lead the charge because i felt guilty about last year being. It'll be topping guy. So i just want to say look at garza shadow issue. I see big beautiful vegan bitch You're playing excellent basketball. And here's to hoping he plex and basketball tonight. But it'd be nice if the tar heels won t. I want you to be happy. It's only like north carolina. Can't lose every game. We have to build them up. We have to get you thinking it's as carolina's here and so north carolina winning tonight win tonight. So that way it's like you start believing. I love the young guys. I one five. Or that's all that. I have right now in north carolina basketball final. Shoutout shout out to the great east coast city of columbus ohio. The sports epicenter. This saturday on fox companyman segment as well at eight eastern. Your beloved columbus crew. My beloved columbus crew hashtag save the crew are hosting. Mls cup against seattle sounders This this has been a roller coaster. I have not been fallen crew as much as i should have been this year. I apologize to all my crew faithful. It's been a weird year. It's my my my lifestyle has been turned upside down. It's not been as easy to follow with with just all the nonsense going whatever. I'm not gonna make excuses. I'm going to be locked in on saturday. It's been a long time in the last time. The crew hosted the cup. My brother and i got there like nine hours before kickoff. It was cold as balls. We've tailgated all day. We were absolutely wasted like two hours before kickoff. We're playing the portland timbers. We sit in nor deca which is a general mission supporters section so as soon as the gates open. We've ran seats. We wanted the best seats in the house and we started. We snuck in alcohol where slamming like this is the greatest thing ever. I've been cruces in ticket holder for our many years. Kickoff happens in the temper scoring like the first two minutes and my brother. And i look at each other like what like five minutes after that they score to to no. They scored a no. You don't care. But i'm just rehash they scored on a to our goalie. Who misplayed the ball and like dunked it like two minutes into the game and my brother. And i look at each other like what the duchess happen and then they score again on bullshit to go to nothing and it was one of the most moralizing things i've ever experienced a sports fan. Just how much. How excited i was because i thought i thought this is it. This is where we're gonna celebrate the tonight so maybe me not being there will will help this year. All right. that's a show. Good luck to all the teams to stay safe player. Safety is all we care about. That is of utmost important shutouts. Ucla sign in jordan brand. It's an exciting time to be a college basketball fan and we will be back on friday breaking down all the bitten. Acc challenge action. See you guys.

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Top 10 Countdown: Reigning champion Virginia will have some new faces but still checks in at No. 4

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Top 10 Countdown: Reigning champion Virginia will have some new faces but still checks in at No. 4

"Skirt tuesday november. Seventeen th two thousand twenty. Welcome back to the cbs sports. I on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss campbell fighting a leaky black matt. Norlander is here with being today. We are continuing our series of episodes dedicated to the schools ranked in the top ten of my top twenty five and one. We're up to number four and number four is for genu- the reigning national champion. Oddly enough kevin. There's returning three started from a team that closed the regular season with eight consecutive victories. Thanks largely to defense that ranked first nationally inefficiency efficiency and they are adding a big time. Transfer in the form of sam houser. He averaged fifteen point seven rebounds two seasons ago at marquette he could be for genius best player this season. What's to like about tony bennett team. What are the concerns. We'll get into it momentarily the first check this out. Welcome to the nothing. Personal with david. 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Not only that we'll be welcoming in some of the best in the industry to try and figure out what was real and what wasn't from the abbreviated sixty game season. Listen tuesdays and thursdays on apple. Podcasts spotify stitcher and wherever else. Podcasts are found so again today. We're focusing on virginia the reigning national champions because we didn't have national champion in two thousand and twenty. They finished twenty three and seven last season but doesn't really tell the whole story. They started four and four in the acc but went eleven and one in the final two games to finish fifteen and five in the league norlander. You also have in the top five of your one two three fifty seven ranking so. We're on the same page here. I know why. I'm high on the cavaliers. Why are you high on the cavaliers right now. Just couldn't be higher on the couch. I guess technically i could be we. We both technically could be higher on the cavaliers and we are but we are pretty high on them and this is as i wrote in the one to three fifty seven. This is where virginia is as a program. Tony bennett has this program operating on an almost annual basis to be in the top ten in borderline even top five in this season. We do think it is top five. I expect sam. Hauser who was a wonderful compliment to marcus howard to step into and this is a projection for me. I think that he is actually going to be the rare player that steps into tony. Bennett's offense and truly pops think is going to be a seventeen eighteen point Night kinda guy. And that's that's way easier said than done given the offense that virginia runs. We've hit on plenty of podcasts. Leading up to this one about. How virginia was just brutal by its own standards which are lower than most other power conference programs from an offensive efficiency standpoint but not this season. It is interesting to see. That virginia is sixteen camp and the preseason the projection. Broadly is that they'll have the best defense. And then seventy six heading into the season on offense for the for the who's going into this season. I'm excited to see virginia. Play everything again knocking on wood. If everything can remain as scheduled. I'll see virginia. Play against florida at mohegan sun next week. They're in a neutral site game in virginia. The better but that should be a good one. Sam houses the biggest reason. Real quick before Before throwback to you key clark. I don't think that he's disrespected. The maybe this is going to be the season where people really i mean. He's known for having a heads up. Play in a huge moment to keep virginia's championship season alive He's he's a five nine water bug. But i think that he'll start to rightfully get his respect. Hell have a big year jay huff. I think we'll get better. He wasn't as better last season. I thought he would be. And then i think casey more cell is actually going to be the break-up player in the acc. I think it can be a top. Ten defender can start to hit from beyond the three point. Line that will make the offense even more dynamic. So that's just an initial scan of what i think sets up as definitively the best roster in the acc you mentioned this is where twenty minutes program is right now They finished in the top ten. It can comment five of the past eight seasons and it didn't include last season when they forty second number one defensive efficiency two hundred thirty four in offense efficiency that was worse by the way worst among all power five teams. They could not score and yet they still closed. The regular season with eight consecutive wins go eleven and one in their final twelve because they were so awesome on the defensive into the court they ended up going four and two against top ten teams last season. They finished sixteenth in the people. So that forty second at kim palm like. I'm not arguing with the numbers. But they were a much better team than that by the end of the season. Tony bennett has actually said that. By the end of the season we thought we could beat anybody now acknowledges we could also lose to almost anybody you know scoring thirty eight points a game. He didn't say that part. But i. That's clearly what he meant but he played really well and would have been a a hard out for anybody in the tournament. Earn but one of the issues on the offensive in and there are a lot of them but one of them was three point shooting. you know they. They shut thirty point. Three percent from beyond the arc last season that ranked three hundred eleventh in the country. And so sam. How are is going to be impactful for a lot of different reasons but he fixes that or at least improves that immediately. This is the guy who shot forty five point three percent from three as a freshman forty eight point seven percent from three sophomore more forty point two percent as a junior while taking six point four three pointers per game. This is a high volume reliable. Three point threat and so just by adding him to the starting lineup in theory. At least you become a significantly better three point shooting team. I'll put it this way. How do you become a three point shooting team. You have better three point shooters taking three pointers for genius. Going to have that this season they are and i will qualify this by saying we are banking on hauser. Being just a a high impact player obviously sat out last season and now he steps in for his one and only season he's a redshirt senior With the law. Who's now if you wanna look at. What bennett has been able to do. Gp referenced the the finishes and ken palmyre just just you know abroad. Look fifteen thousand feet above. What virginia has become here why. I think it's reasonable to presume that this is going to be the best team in the acc and we'll be a top ten team again. He gets there and twenty nine two thousand nine two thousand ten fifteen sixteen wins and since then twenty two twenty three thirty thirty twenty nine twenty three thirty one thirty five national championship and then twenty. Three and a season cut short. Last season could have been easily at least twenty five wins yet again there. It's just a reliability year over year and this is a program as you'll see when it's revealed that virginia's somewhere tucked inside the twenty six to fifty range of my ranking of the all time greatest programs and college hoops history. Bennett has been responsible for bringing virginia To prominence as of late but historically this is not a top forty program from a statistical standpoint. I mean we're talking about a program that went got a once in twenty fourteen then a two seat than a one seed had five and twenty seventeen than had the one when it fell to you. Nbc was a once. he wouldn't want it all. I think it set up again because of the defense and i wonder any coach will tell you that if you have a team that is reliable. Truly reliable on defense wants to play. Defense has the athletes in length. That is just gps. It's more of something that you can rest on than offense with no fans or almost no fans and just about every venue. That virginia will likely play during the regular season. I wonder if that helps them. All the more you know like they're gonna play at home against michigan state and yeah they won't and that's scheduled for the acc big ten challenge on december nine. So yeah they won't have the the gp j. crowd there with them but when they have to play on the road or in these neutral court environments specifically to start the season. I don't know. I just think that is another built in advantage in. What's going to be such an uncertain season. That i think it will actually help virginia. If you're a home team and you don't have your crowd to boost you against what can just feel like running into a wall possession after possession and they slog you down sixty five sixty six possessions in a game. It's all the more reason why virginia should be considered a top five team by pretty much. Anyone that's not a computer campos's not as high but if we're trying to objectively project how they're going to do i think that's a fair estimation they lead the nation in scoring defense for the third straight season last season only allowing fifty two point four points per game some of that is tempo but yes. They are awesome on the defensive end. Let me ask you this. We talked a lot about what they're adding. What the bring back ever talked about. Mumady de akita and braxton keys to the top three scores from last season's team but i'm not worried about what they must have. The offensive in those are also athletic. High level defenders. Does that concern you at all. Or do you trust trust you could take basically unified guys in the world. Give him the tony bennett. Let me work with them. And they ended up like crazy so those are legitimate losses specifically defensively De key i think was a little bit of a little little bit of an underperformer last season. From what. I think he would have expected himself to be there Braxton key was just a solid Role player plus kinda guy Four twenty minutes. A losing them does mean something. They were both six eight six nine good links Good athletes good strength there. I think i m you you question. Like cody statman. Who's now a junior. Is he going to step been. He was second on the third on the team block rate a season ago. You didn't play a ton of minutes. So him coming again. I do think it's gonna be a guy that steps in plays significantly well on both ends of the floor. There's a freshman name cayden. Shed rick or she'd rick i can't. I don't know how you pronounce last name. He sat out last season. I saw him in vegas When he was on the recruiting trail and he was he was surprisingly good for the for the lack of buzz. He was getting and he was just one of those guys. We see him every year when we're able to go out and do this kind of thing where it's not it's a five star kind of guy but someone that when you watch you say whoa like you know who's who's recruiting this this kid here. He wanted to go into virginia. I wonder how much burn. He's going to get he six eleven and he could step in and really be a good teammate slash under study to jay huff not the same kind of players half and and just one more thing. I'll have generally wants to be a stretch. Four stretch five. I think that he has to be a lot better than what he was. Last season i was pretty gung ho on huff becoming a top fifteen player in the acc a season ago and that just straight up wasn't the case there. He's now a senior at the time is now so i think. His improvement is as critical. Virginia's advancements is pretty much anyone else there but on the whole you touched on. Just how reliable bennett is with this. Coaching system and it speaks to his ability. I mean you really do get the sense that yeah i'd takes real investment and he's built up a program in yes throwing the cliche of he's built up a culture there but it's remarkable. And if you talk to other coaches about they bring the guys in they want to bring in but even then like never underestimate just how much of a bear. It is to play against that defense. And that's not going to. It's just not going to change like when they play florida if they can play florida on november twenty seven florida's also going to be a defensively oriented team. I'm straight up. Think that's going to be like a fifty five to fifty one virginia win and that's how they're going to want it and i think that's how they're going to continue to to to keep the keep the leading. Acc once we get into twenty twenty one. When i was talking about the offensive struggles from last season earlier. I mentioned that there were a lot of problems on that end of the court and there were the most obvious. One is three point shooting. We've addressed at the other one. Was they turn the ball. Over a lot. Uncharacteristically a lot of turnover percentage was twenty point one which ranked two hundred and fifty seventh in the country. Was the worst turnover team of the tony. Bennett era and a lot of that was key clark. You'd like him. i like him. He did average three and a half turnovers the game last season though he did nine turnover game against st in a loss and i think they're trying to figure out like what what what happened there. I don't want to speak for tony. But i think maybe he was asked to do a little too much. Always asked okay. Run the team. Take the shots on this team. Take on tough defense assignment like maybe guard. The team's best perimeter player. I mean he's five nine but he gets after. You played thirty thirty seven minutes a game. They enroll a top seventy prospect in the class. Two thousand twenty eight beekman. He's a six three point guard. And i would assume that he is going to lighten the load on key. Clark a little bit like get him a little more risk asking to do not quite as much and because freshman big six three he can obviously backup clark but he could also the erratically. Play with them i think. That makes key clark's job a lot easier because he was you know really the only competent natural point guard on the roster last season. I think you're right. And i think you're hitting in for the virginia hardcore listening. I think they are hoping expecting clark to not have to be a vessel for offense and scoring as much as maybe he would have been tasked with last season. Hey maybe maybe he winds up still trying to accomplish that. But you mentioned beekman and then another freshman debris abdur rahim. Who is the son of sharia doreen he enters in. I think that he's going to get some decent burn as well. I will be interested to see how much bennett trusts. The new faces. And i would include hauser in that just because he wasn't playing last season because there are plenty of new players are going to have to step in and be significant minutes getters. Here we've mentioned we've mentioned plenty of them here so I don't have a real estimation on whether this is going to be virginity and that's really like nine deep closer to seven deep That's going to have to be determined as we go throughout the season and maybe virginia will be affected just like almost every other team when it comes to if it has covert pauses The rhythms of your season every day. When you practice when you can't Will that have an impact on basically how much trust. The coach will wind up having particularly when like bennett and his staff know what they have. They know they have national championship. Contender reminder reigning national champions and they're gonna have a chance to To keep that crown here and have a decent chance of doing it but Not knowing how many games are going to be able to get in. I think is going to have an impact on virginia as much as any other team. We've talked about on this top ten series of little podcast series. We've done in that if you tell a coach. He's only got thirteen games. Fifteen game seventeen games however many it's going to be Fewer games the fear of the opportunities. The more every game means for your resume to get into the instability tournament and less likely you to trust guy. Eight nine and ten on your roster. I feel like virginia when we get to january. Might not be as deep as bennett would hope it would be covert an impact. That one last freshman odebrecht carson mccorkell. He's a top one fifty guard in the class of two thousand and twenty six three shooter. That's his reputation. So i'm not sure how much he's going to be able to get on the court. This season as a true freshman true freshman who borderline popcorn fifty guys. Don't usually play a lot for tony bennett immediately. But if he can't get on the court and he's at least another shooter. Tony bennett might have available. 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The 2020 Preseason Duffy Awards

Titus & Tate

1:40:50 hr | 8 months ago

The 2020 Preseason Duffy Awards

"Today's of today college basketball's bhaktapur. That's that's really the college basketball we did it. I still sort of in a I'll see it when i believe it Situation but positive vibes only college basketball is going to be on our television on wednesday. I i can't believe those. I don't know what it is quite literally against all odds Think that there are still people right now fighting to make sure that we do not get this wednesday night but like you said it's positive vibes. Only it is here. We're so close. Just get us there just just gives it starts you know i. It's rolling the ball decider. As a reminder college basketball's the only major sport in this country that like sacrificed anything. Basically that we're the only sport that cancel the season. Didn't come back and finish. It didn't do you know every every like nfl. They're sacked everyone else. Got closure except for nfl sacrifice they lost three preseason games or something a college football has lost nothing. They're just like keep it going. Just steve ahead. So it's been a long road i have. Ptsd from getting my hopes up about things and then having them dashed. And i still think we're not entirely out of the woods yet. Positive vibes only. We're gonna get it done and it's happening this week so we're just gonna. We're going to celebrate what we're gonna do today. We have. We decided for our last preseason show because this is technically coming down on tuesday. The game start on wednesday we are doing a preseason duffy awards because of the things that the the mainstream media certainly won't talk about this one of the things that we lost having college basketball canceled was the duffy's last year. Take up this this year. The spring did not do a duffy awards on the program and the people were not happy about that and listen That's the way it goes. we did. Just it's just the way it goes so everyone else preseason awards before the season we have not done that yet so let's handouts from awards. Let's season for the new listeners. Here the duffy awards are version of the grammys. This is not the pop singer. Duffy there will be no mercy. Here we are going to let people think what we think about. What happened in college basketball. We ever own categories We make up our own categories every single year. And as you know it's good guys bad guys coach k. Will be mentioned. We got press conference of the year. We got excellence in journalism. We got all the good things coming. So i can't wait that is it. That's all the docket we're doing. Our official preseason duffy awards celebrating the return of college basketball. But i would you durham before we dive into the. Duffy's the preseason duffy's here news and notes everything's cancelled. Everyone has covid and auburn is not playing in the twenty twenty tournament. All right college basketball is back pasta. We got that out of the way. I it all serious. It's how we feel and refilled all right. The last time that we did a podcast. Or i should say the last the last time that you and i laughed really hard was when bruce pearl was in a roadside ditch and he looked at america face on national. Tv on espn. During the draft and said character counts Not so mad. You know not even a week later basically The character is beginning and he sees that the cars are not in favor and he needs to go ahead and get this handled. He needs to get ahead of the nc double a. And self imposed bans. You and i both know. This is a very strategic way to basically manipulate The the the rules are broken. So that you can take your punishment but also taking the year when you're not as good so then you can thrive in another season this year cake-cutting cutting oklahoma state. They're like we'll take the band next. Let's take the next year when not so great this year. We'll take it this year this year. That's georgia tech. Tried to take it last year. That worked right. It works that work like it worked but we didn't have a tournament so that's what i'm saying georgia tech. Yes what i'm saying. Does it count georgia tech scout. I never actually up. Does that is all time self-imposed ban playwright there. Josh passenger pulled off him for that. Yeah it's a positive vibes only we're gonna have a season. It's going to happen this week. We're doing but man. The the chatter will say the the the narratives the themes the whatever that are coming out of college basketball. The reason to be optimistic. A lot of the same stuff was happening with college. Football and college football we can see is running very smooth straight face. Just start laughing as you say that there are new bubbles there are no controlled environments. I mean a lot of people are pointing fingers at the aa. I'm gonna say this. We're gonna do positive vibes. All they were going to get to. The duffy's i just wanted. Part of the positive experience is dumping the negative out. So then that way you have it out of your soul and you can have only positively within some this out. And i'm gonna say that i swear to god. I will go postal if if if every sport comes back like we're as i said it's up college. The only sport really sacrificed anything. We're the only sport that if you go to wikipedia page it says like champions says none covid nineteen pandemic all the other ones are like dodgers. Lakers you know college basketball. We don't know your top Michigan state was pretty good right. Who knows so. Then you know the pandemic rages on throughout the summer. Everything is looking like it might get better. Whatever like footballs. i were. We'll just if. Kobe tries to stop us. We'll we'll tackle and works so they're charging along i again this. I'm getting the negativity out. So i could be positive i. I fear that come january like pretty much. as cl- the clock had zero on the super bowl that's in february rate. A sudas o'clock zero in february on the super bowl the powers that be the government shutdown again. Shut it down. They look around. They're like oh my god. What an outbreak we have going on. We got to shut everything down. College basketball loses again. We cancel again and then the vaccine comes out in july. Everything's fine and then football tournaments. All right i just wanted to put out there because then college basketball is officially dead. Because they've they've already told us that if there is no. It's still tournament this year that you can just kiss goodbye. I like to think that. Let a world that we're living in is if you've seen making the band whenever the studio keys were taken away. And did he had to shut down the studio that was. That's what i feel like covance for college basketball. I'm just waiting for diddy to shut down the studio and whatever air and they need us to run to make things stay and go. We will do it. We will all right. Let's let's let's have some fun. Let's as i said forget about that. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it like all the college. The college athletic directors and administrators. Whatever we're just gonna kick the can down the road we'll deal with it aa motto. We're waiting for martin right now. The season is back on wednesday and we have not done. We've done a lot of previews go back and listen those folks if you have not. We did like over eight hours of beers tons tons of concert there to listen to if you lost if you have no idea what to expect to go listen to that. We had the final show in our and sixty minutes two hours. A lot of haters were getting mad at us for saying that it's too long they can't handle it. Please make it least under two hours and guess what we delivered. Final show final episode of the preview. But that's here nor there we had the duffy's and this is the first time we've ever done a preseason duffy so this is all speculation this is all fun and fodder and i think it actually gonna make the show even more fun and then we do the real duffy's we can look back at our preseason Yeah yeah check. Yeah everyone else out. Preseason awards why can't we so that's what we're doing today again state said if you're new to the to the program. You're not sure what the duffy's are just. We don't need to explain it. The words you use your imagination all right so we are. Starting with our coach of the year. These these again are preseason. Picks so a lot of speculation goes into these picks. A lot of like. I see the season working out this way. I think this is going to win the duffy at the end of the year. I'll let you go first date yet. So i i told you this. We had our categories written out. You texted me last night. You're like i think this is our our lists categories. I'm like good goodbye. Be let's let's go through this. And i wrote them all down on a sheet of paper and i said first thing that comes to my coach of the year i wrote it down and then in my head all i saw was a comb over i saw a little bald spot at the top and i saw a little sheepish grin as he looked at his baylor team and saw scott drew and i saw a koi band being the koi the coach of the year. I saw the baylor bears. Maybe not reaching the mountaintop but reaching the number one spot holding onto the number one spot making a nice little run this year. Getting the respect of america i think the respect and That was the first name that i saw him. I had scotch so that would probably be my pick but my number two the one with my gut. The one that i that i feel in my loins my sneaking number two with your gut i like this head and gut the gut. Pick rick barnes Tennessee i think that they're gonna over achieve based on the prognosticators right and And so those are. My two picks number scott drew reports. This is interesting because my pick. I'll just get out of the way new some explanations as to why later tom izzo is my pick up. The three coaches that we've mentioned tate have have been. I've tested positive for kovin in the last. What do you think there's something to that. Do you think whoever is ultimately named coach of the year is going to have to overcome. This diversity is going to have to test positive. We're going to look back on it and be like he had to deal with the pandemic head on that. Was you know. Do you think there's that. Because part of the reason and i picked tommaso. I think when you're picking coach of the year not just for the duffy's but for any award what is what is the most prestigious in. Abc is at the naismith. The oldest. right. I i think the is the oldest but i think the the has got. We need anthony. Grant was the coach year last year. And i feel every. Yeah and everything. But i feel like when it got announced was the ap so maybe we'll give credit to the ap there so point is when you're given out these coach of the year awards. Narrative is important. You need like some sort of an and oftentimes at some adversity that guy's face throughout the season. Whatever also i think you have to either. Your team has to be either better than people expected. Which is your pick with tennessee. Barnes more you have to be an absolute juggernaut with scott drew or it's like if here's the country and everyone's like is undefeated say mark for years winning coach of the year. You know that's how it's gonna work. So i like tom izzo. Because he's got the narrative he had cova himself he. He looks like he's back now. Right in the word we got back in practice. He lost caches winston and xavier. Tillman anchors of his program caches. Winston certainly is like you know the mccain cleaves draymond green type lake son tommaso. so like. He's now this is his first season without michigan. State is pick fourth in the big ten. So i think everything. The stars have aligned. Where if tom izzo can get a share of the big ten title this year. The the narrative around how he pulls that off is going to be like. Wow what a job that tom izzo. Did you get these guys here in this moment as big ten co champions with like seven other teams. Probably what is gonna be so. I think that's my shortlist. Tony bit tony bennett. Jay right mark view. I think are the usual suspects right like every year. They gotta be candidates. I was gonna say. Tony bennett is one of those guys. That if If the virginia cavaliers are who all the sam houser fans believed that they will be in they jail dominate the. Acc win the regular season. Virginia is going to be seen as a team that overachieved they are ranked so high in the preseason polls and obviously teams are you know you know fans and media respect them value the tony but it takes us stable wednesdays regular season. I feel like there is a chance that we get the tony momentum issues college basketball. The issue with tony bennett. A with mark few plays the jay right like. Oh yeah. that's who they already haven't they all one recently. Haven't they already been like. It does feel like a retread. And i think people that vote on this stuff like like new stories like scott. Drew sculptures never wanted national award of any kind. That's the list of things he's never. He's never been named national coach of the year by any anybody so that would be a new pick. I think people will get excited about voting for that. Guy tony bennett. That's the question if you did years ago. I think you're kind of like we've already been here. We want to do it again. I don't know mark few same sort of thing. That's why mark view wednesday. It's because zack is like undefeated. Basically and they're wire-to-wire number one or something. Is there a dark horse. Big like mccaffrey like someone that can come. Yeah frame mccaffrey. In my mind is is behind the eight ball because he has the best player in the country on his team so hurts. look at that. It'd be like you're not good. You just have a good player. I do have a couple of dark horses. One grad underwood. Wow that's a good one. I like i like the idea because he has narrative on his side. Like i said like it's this is a problem with cronin by the way cronin would be on my list but i think cronin's year was last year. I think cronin does not have the narrative on his side. I didn't cronin was climbing the mountaintop he got there last year in the eyes of the media and now he has expectations exactly. He's picked to win the pac. Twelve whatever Breath is on the climb. And i know illinois is topped preseason team. But he's still. This is the year that brad underwood gets the mountain. All i see my head right now is like a monday night. Football graphic graphic. Where it's like brad underwood like up a mountain. And they show like all of his wins different locations as he's grown up commissioner for one hundred seventy five thousand dollars like what is this. The this is my ultra darkhorse like altered. Ultra ridiculous not going to happen. But if you're an absolute degenerate you wanna throw a little you want to throw firing stanbury please. Jared haas. Ooh jared hostile ultimate desire. Williams is as good as advertised. the pac twelve. Is you know the pac twelve can get a little wonky will say from time to time stuff happens out here on the coast. If suddenly you look up and stanford stanford has the year say. Ucla had last year and stanford's like right there in the pac twelve title hunt. Jerry haas. that's all i'm saying. Just throw five dollars on him. If you're if you're looking to make ten thousand dollars i was gonna say there's another Out in the west coast bobby. Hurley is another guy that has a young freshman josh. Christopher that they could you know martin they have a nice mix of old. He's got narrative on a site to get narrative that narrative on say. So all right. So are we to with you. Picked two guys my number one. Pick my lack of the heart. The man that i see in my heart every single night and i hope he gets better coach drew. So i'm gonna scott drew coach of the year all right. I'm i'm sticking with tom. Izzo as my pick is Those are pretty chalk picks so for us to talk through it but you know all right moving on player of the year. This is my upset of the entire time. And i can't wait to see your face I'm gonna go ahead and label this as the pac twelve update. This is a player that i know where you're going with this. I am all the way in on this one player He wears the number five for us. And i know that he does not have flashy skill set For the national audience right now. They haven't seen it all. They haven't seen all the tools in the shed. His davis chris. Smith and like i told you mark titus my gut every single time i went down this list and i watched your shit as it turns out. I mean honestly probably this The christmas to me has all the petition. The world he is a senior. I think that mick cronin is playing possum here with this team. I think he knows he's got a better team than he expects. Chris smith is going to be a star. I think he has. Nba potential I think he's comfortable ucla. I'm not gonna say that. I'm guaranteeing he's gonna be the player of the year but i think he's gonna surprise. Some people had like a really like everything goes well for. Ucla they win the pac twelve. Christmas is the best player. I could see the push and i'm down to make the push It's a west coast push is a pack twelve. Update push but my player of the year. You're ucla bruin. You're not surprised of the year if this is gonna average points per game for the bruins I don't think it's as crazy for pick as our listeners. Probably thinking is. I think a lot of people listening. Probably i mean there's people that are picking sam houser and i feel like i would rather take christmas gonna be really good. Yeah he. he's he's awesome. i really like. He's got problems on the west coast to is named chris smith. And that's it's too boring of name but does it. It's also the same named jr smith brother that played at louisville. So there's some confusion for old school college basketball fans or like pre two thousand ten college basketball fan. So you have to kind of know who chris smith is to really know but if you watch. Ucla watch chris smith. I don't know real chance. I like it. I liked it. You're you're mixing it up though. Because i want with the boring pick. I thought about it long and hard. And i was like holy garza. Because i was looking over his stats. Evers twenty four points and ten rebounds game. He was really good last year. He should have probably won national funding. Could you imagine all the iowa fans speak the whole pivot. Pretend like it never happened. Just be like one of the great atrocities college basketball history. Luca guards up eating. Ob top topping. Everyone's like i remember this all year. That no of course. Not i look at guards is inevitable. I think he's got a style of play to the You know knock on wood. I don't think she can be bad. Like i don't think he can regress in how he plays. He's just an old school. Big guy can step out and shoot. His post moves are he. He has a million post moves. And he's he's he's so good with angles. He's so he's he's got a high basketball iq he. He is like a big ten basketball fans. Wet dreams luca garza for the low post. I mean that guy has an all and and there's a reason that he's like you all the native pig for. I don't know if that's true. But he's the consensus whatever. Whatever the word is. I don't even know what the consensus is. The word consensus pick not unanimous consensus. And and like you said. I mean i wrote down underneath player of the year. Make sure we mentioned luca guards. I i think that we're at the point where we need to let people know that we did not have been dead against luther. Garza that we disliked the way played basketball. We just happen to a fallen in love with a man by the name of obi topping who is now on york knicks. We're past it and say in the interest of fairness i did just get done. Say there's no way he can regress. There's nothing that can stop them. What i meant was there are no players in the big ten completely stop and there's no coaching scheme. That's gonna stop them. There's no That sort of thing table garza. And you're like this is the this is. This is the fix right. I am three percent worried about the vegan thing. I'm three percent worried about that now. I'll say i've been trying to find more sources on this. We talked about this and one of the preview shows. We did that luka garza. We were doing the vegan update. I think it was the first one the first update number ninety seven vegan update. I literally went to google search college basketball players vegan just to see anybody who went vegan this summer. And i'll be god damned. It was the best player in the country out to. There's an article from sl in july for sports illustrated said Luca garza's plant based diet and we talked about it. The concerns about this and then. I mentioned justin fields and i said just fields can go vegan. And he's having a year he's having maybe he's okay fast forward to this saturday. Justin fields was out of sorts. He looks he looked cold. He looked tired. Which are two things that happened when you go vegan. Suddenly i'm a little worried about the vegan issue with regards. But i will say i have since i before. We did the show today. I tried to find other sources. I tried to see if there's like other people writing about luke being vegan. We had him on our show that was on f s one on monday night. I was scared to ask him. Honestly because i didn't want to address. It i i liked the mystery unknown whether lagaras vegan i honestly was scared. You were gonna ask given frame after he wasn't gonna know what you did. Run that by me did so. I think there's a chance because i went back. I read the article from sports illustrated. It said it had only been a few weeks so i. I am leaning towards luca. Guards tried it out this summer. He did the mike dummy. Tried it out. Here is i. This is. I feel week cold and tired. I don't wanna be called tired so you went back to me. And i think he's going to be fine but like i. There's a little worried that i'm wrong. There's a little worried that we're going to look up. Luca guards is going to one hundred and ninety seven pounds and you getting pushed around and then just like every time. He's on the bench. He's got a blanket over him and he's like shivering. And what are we. deploy look. Is there any chance. I remember tyler hands senior year in two thousand nine. There was like all every single time he went up against like blake griffin or even the year before he went against co audrey. There was like some of these other big men that when they got the chance. It was so appetizing that they just went after him right like they were playing with some new found. You know belief in some new found energy because they're like this guy is not that good like i say kober is licking his lips deck. That's what scares me about. Luka garza i think he has more of a target on his back says some of these other big league. They're like i need to show something tonight. So i'm gonna go after luca That's my only gripe with luca. It'd be fine. He's got to be the pick for me. He's got a player there right. Let's do it all americans. I like this. I like we talk a lot of smack about other people's preseason all american teams. We should step up to the plate own. Do you want to go first at your five. Yeah because mine is going to people so much because it's my own opinion. It's my gut i. This is the preseason duffy awards. None of this is going to be exactly what happens. All speculative but my team is pretty. Chalk i would say I owed sue illinois point guard obviously first team all american. I think he's going to be the national player of the year. I won't say that right now. I think that is going to be my pick for national player of the year. Starting just say christmas. Hey hey hey. That's not fair you pick. Her smith is our player of the year are different national national player. The exact this is our awards. Yeah they're the lives of deviation here folks when we're getting into this anyway. I would assume new national player. The american falls in love with them. They're like illinois basketball is back at the to guard. It is not actor. Garba kate cunningham. He's a point guard for oklahoma state. But i'm gonna slide him as the number two cars. Tom green basketball exactly. There are no physicians here. So those are my two guards is okay cunningham. Guards there at the third spot. Already told you. He's my player of the year. Chris smith at small forts leiderman their ucla. Pac twelve basketball first team all american. Everyone's fired up about this. At power forward shocking. The world the new. Josh mcroberts the new bob john volkersen give up. Give up at power forward and then at the five We have to give him his due at them credit. You just said it the lagaras. I was worried. You weren't gonna put luke luke. Lucas on the list said luca must be included. I wrote this down early. Christmas probably reach focus is definitely reach. But i don't know if you put those five guys on the floor. I liked team. That's that's all right all right. Please don't put that list. Outfox not want so much. These are these are my top five. That will be watching. Mainly john fogelson. I went pretty chalk. Might do if if you're if you're actually putting i dunno i to me. Luca garza kenney dam to sue. And i think jared butler you didn't have on your list but a given expectations of the season they had last year. He's he's the only guy that made an api all american team last year. Other than luca garza. That's back now. This year he was on. The third team is apo american young team. I believe team right. I think he was second. Maybe it's third yankee. remember just thirteen. Maybe it was the first thing. I know i know but i i remember. Look that up. If we're all the research for the previews i remember butlering guards only to their. Yeah yeah. they're back anyway. Others like the he's the offensive like baylor won a lot last year because their defense and You know the stereotypical formula played great team. Defense with the with the guard they have and then give butler the ball him score now is gonna have more if you wanted to reduce it down to a one-sentence identity So butler belongs on the team. I believe the last spot becomes a little tricky for me Remy martin corry jesper bert. Where the two guys. I think they shared the spot for the. Ap corey casper. Get out of here. I like his game. I corps kiss bird. I'm a fan. Come on the show. We'll talk it out. You're not the best player on your team i. I'm throwing all of my chips. Jalen slugs i think he's gonna be the best player. I might be wrong. But that's how i feel right now. It's a preseason we're speculated. i'm timmy guy. Drew timmy guy. So everyone's got their own guy for a nobody wants and then rimi martin basically came down to remy martin as for me. I think market cigarettes ski long story short because ants. Remy martin is a scorer who can't shoot. He's a guard who scores but can't like he's he shoots thirty three percent from three point line on his career. He doesn't only averages one assist less than he does to. I don't know i like. I like sumi. I like guards you can shoot. That's what i like Marcus cigarettes ski. He can shoot. He could shoot. Threes shoots forty two percent from three point line. Which is a little high if you know anything about me. I like forty percent. But i think he's a few more but i like cigarettes so i threw him on there because i liked them. Stable monster here too. Yeah like that. Pick because i think crayton is one of those teams. I mean jared butler. I remember doing my notes for baylor i was like this guy is not getting any coverage and then i completely disregarded him as i was making my list but cigarettes is one of those guys to where him. He's familiar to us. We expect them to be good with. Somehow we're undervaluing. How good he's going to be for. And i think creates better team than most people expect. We already called him a lower case blueblood if they get a first team all american maybe one of those beasts goes up capital. I don't know which one but maybe one of them. So that's good news for creating in the blue jays all right. This is my favorite cat. This is my favorite duffy. Were giving out. We've we've never done this as a postseason award but I was talking to date about it because we did it so often. The in the podcast. We did after the season tournament. Got canceled this year where we were just naming teams national champions. I think we've said it about like teams. Certainly kansas in dayton and gonzaga michigan state. I probably the final four. The somebody dies. We get excited about a team or like. Yeah of course michigan. Save is gonna win the title last year. We had just got done saying kansas so we were talking about one day and we were laughing at the idea of a duffy at the end of the year. And i i want to try to talk to you and actually doing this. I don't know where we pretend like. We're the helms foundation and we crown our national champion as though the ncaa tournament is irrelevant. And we're we're just taking the whole season into account and we're voting on college football and nineteen ninety seven. This is the nineteen twenty four national championships photos hanging our own banners saying based on what we know and what we saw. This is the national champion. This has given us say. Tournament is just more regular season games at all. We we look at the landscape and we saw the best team this year. That's our national ever full picture big picture outlook on this. We're just thought it'd be hilarious if unlike two thousand nineteen virginia wednesday national title. We're excited we're doing the gods plant thing and then a week later. We hit under duffy's and we say congratulations. Do you are a national zion. Williamson do lose shocked the world so we're cracking ourselves up about that. We decided so. We decided we were going to name and because also so many publications do this. They named their national champion and freeze preseason national champion. There's not a dumber phrase. That could possibly college basketball. So we're just lean into the bit present now. Our picks for our national champ preseason national champion of the year of the year. We'll say two and the answer is simple. The answer is is always sensor at least dating back to twenty eleven this decade. The national champion of the preseason is always going to be do because coach k. Is always going to manipulate and win the offseason. this offseason. He had one misstep wanted to everyone to play in the tournament. He thought that that would be you know adored by the media darlings and i instead we cackled laugh we said what are you talking about. Even other coaches were like That seems like a dumb idea. A coach k. Had a misstep this year so my preseason The is always defacto duke But since the coach had that misstep i have decided to zach there's an upstate duke is not the preseason national champion of the year the preseason national champion the year bill self and your kansas jayhawks bill self has been perfectly perfectly equipped to handle what has been thrown at him since snoop dogg came in did his. You know late night in a late night with coach self or whatever they call it down there kansas And they've been able to play on the radar they've also got you know as buki goes in the first round devon dot devan dotson when he got drafted He showed his coat and yet twenty twenty national champions written on the inside of the coat which the podcast you listened to the podcast which said to me that. Kansas knows that they won the national ship last year and based on that kansas ride the high end of the season. They are the preseason national champion slash national chain of last year so kansas and upset of all upsets their preseason national champions. Congratulations to the jail they. Kansas is like north carolina in that they hang make believe national title banners. Already right. don't don't they have those field house like foundation. Nineteen twenty sixth national title. You're like the tournament started thirty nine right. How do you have one before the tournament like old. Our best team best guys got together nine hundred ninety four. They said that we were the best seventy years ago. So we hung this banner. Well there you go so we're adding two more mythical national championship pay and the twenty twenty one. Preseason tape frazier national. Let's kansas my picks so when you're picking a national champion a preseason national champion you have to think about that this is all about in my mind. Social media engagement. This is all about the people. Talk so duke. it's all about clicks. Says it's all about like whoa. This guy is thinking outside the box. And i thought about it long and hard and i thought what program would be most excited to be named preseason national champion when when fox puts out the graphic this is mark titus says that they are the preseason national champions which program is going to re tweet which program is going to say which is going to put this in their media. Guide going for ucla. You're on the right track with john. Wooden what does not ucla. It is the purdue boilermakers there. There is no program in this country. That would be prouder to win a preseason national championship fake preseason national championship honor purdue and my and my dad happy for me to paper do so i'm gonna pick produce because that just feels like i'm picturing the purdue men's basketball count with the big ten stat of the day saying martinez picked us as the preseason national champion. Just honor on. I have a pretty good team. By the way i They're not going to be national champion. Good they're going to be good so it's not like that it's not like i pick northwestern here but at the same time that was where my mindset was. I'm just thinking about the lake. The actual graphic and who's going to spread the graphic. Because if you pick if you pick say gonzaga zach is like who cares of duke is like we don't care dog get it out of her face produce. Like oh i like that. I like to get. I mean the best part of the imo p based on your preseason national champion is produced by about the headlines the way to get purdue into the mix it was purdue peak us in we had no show eastern before i mean they have. They do a lotta offseason headlines. They dominated a lot. Offseason headlines with with matt pain or no gel eastern harps produce. Dave giving set a record. Even in these times of covid the lead tallinn's man in the big ten goes to their school going to start as a freshman. I mean they got. They got the story. There you go there you go but that's my locked me in on purdue but definitely just doing some quick journalism here just it's honestly a great bit because if you think about it. I mean based on produce history. They're never gonna win an ashtray ship. So if you say everything they're going to be the preseason national tapia that is a That is what bill titus with you. Coach would appreciate pause. The podcast give a fist pump. He's gotten your mom. Listen to it now. He's like really wanted fifty seconds. Take all right moving. We're getting into the fun categories. Now that one was super serious. Obviously we got the serious ones out of the way. Let's get into the fun state your pick for good guy of the year as a reminder for the new listeners good guy the year is our pick for the guy who at the end of the season is gonna talk about how great of a guy he is. He's a good man and it just breaks our heart to see that. It's come to this but you please. Please do not coach basketball team anymore. Yep we're done with you we're with you. I think the answer is simple. We talked about an preview. He has one more year before he can essentially get fired without having to get paid for the next five years. He's in atlanta georgia. His name is josh pazner. And he's at georgia tech. And the reason. I think he's gonna win guy years because i don't think georgia tech's going to have that great of a season but i do think that we have you know we're we're in in a political world right now. We have all eyes on atlanta. And we have all eyes on josh passenger. Who has already been you know canvassing. We joked about that him canvassing to vote. I think in atlanta in january when we have the the law flir warnock races. That going on josh. Pastor is canvassing. Josh passenger is in front of people pass is trying to make the change for a better world. He's trying to let people know that he is said a good guy and this is this is the full good guy year. He does the full. Social justice. Pushy does the full. Hey i want my kids to be in a great situation. I want them to know that they have a future and he gets fired at the end of the year. And but we get. The good guy fallout because remember. What josh pastor did. It's kinda like with. Doc rivers got fired member doc. Rivers young the bubble when he when he kinda like stood up and was so important for social justice. So i think the josh pastor is trying to do a similar playbook being atlanta such a place because he's playing for the next job and that's what good guys do right. I mean they give fired but they're so loved that they get another job. I do think josh passenger losing so much of the past five years has got people to fill bad former. Fill like you know. He's not threatening so good guy that you're josh passing. That's that's a great pick. That is a great pig. Gonna i i. I do see in march you get on twitter. Say you search. Josh passenger good guy on march seventh. You're going to get a lot of hits. Get a lot of people that are like a great man. he's done a lot for this community I will always love the way he handled blank. Blank and blank been lammers. Yeah that comma. Theft georgia tech. It's it's time it's not the way you say that good guys to get this guy out of here. Fire this asshole. You don't you don't you. Don't get us that you say josh passer is a good man. But it's time yes yes it's always. It's always goes back to tim. Byles to pin two miles is the greatest guy. All time fingers crossed. We're going to have coach miles. Come on and explain to the people what it really takes to be a good guy because he is he is he s season he got fired. Nebraska was the goodest guy season of all time of all time game tripping in the tunnel. I mean just just the ryan laughs about it like he comes on our show like all you didn't know about the guy is that we we reached out and we said we want to give you a word where we kind of like mock you sort of belykh. Maybe you can laugh at yourself about it about how you're just so cool but like you also lost a lot got fired for it like how would you feel like absolutely. That's hilarious. Come came on the show. We have phone with god. Bless him miles i. He's the best all right so my pick. Stick it in a see. We talked about this a little bit. During the previous talked about josh pastor already in the previous that's a retread same. Not good for the acc. I'll pick jim christian. Not quite extent he wasn't canvassing he was just getting his guys registered to vote. He did that this year. I found an article of from boston. Whatever all journalism. Boston's boston sports media. They got a lot of papers. But there's someone wrote an article about how jim christie got the entire team registered to vote not quite canvassing but similar. My question though is will the boston sports media be nice enough to him like well. You get the good guy treatment or are they just ruthless. Where it's like. Get this guy out of here. I don't know but to my knowledge. He runs a clean program. He again to my knowledge. I don't remember during this time of boston. College there being any sort of scandal where all things that could go wrong with the college basketball program. I don't know of that happening under watch and we're talking about a program in boston college. That has had some problems in the past. So in those regards. I feel like he checks the good guy boxes but i also if you're asking me do i think jim christian will be the head basketball coach at boston college for opening day. Twenty twenty one twenty two season. I'm gonna say now. I'm gonna say no to. And i think the last name being christian adds a layer of guidance to it I think that's yeah that that plays like that's an inception kind of thing that goes in your head. When you think of jim christian in fact. I mean jim christian to me. It's like if you drew if you gave me a lineup of which one is jim christian like it would take me a second just to get my bearings because jim christians so forgettable and i think that is what you know. The jim christian air will be of austin college. It is very forgettable. I think that they'll right nice things because this is the perfect good guy move. He's he has been a perennial loser. Now we get someone else in here. We have some optimism. But you know thanks for trying. Here's here's a bit. We should try for the types of twitter. Account is tweet out pictures of coaches who aren't christian and pretend like they're jim chris because no one jim christian looks like nobody. Nobody's be like. This is a tough tough for our guy. Jim christian and then it's just like a picture of random guy on the street bender from futurama. A robot coaches seem. Now i mean. Is there anyone else though. Like i know that those that we talked about a guy that would be on the chopping block. But i i of i would around the country trying to find like i like those are the guys man. I feel like if you're talking about job security. I think jim christian has to be at the. He's got the lowest right now. Going into the season in terms of certainly a power conference guys and all the then. You're talking about the good guy vibes like you said josh fastener the the activism if you want to call it doing that like that that gives him a lot of goodwill good press so he's got past got that side of a player. I don't know if passengers jobs in jeopardy quite as bad but Yeah it wouldn't surprise me. I don't know. I think those are the ones. What about jim lehrer. Nigga is that a guy that it miami if they had a tough year. Oh his larry loves. But if i mean if you're talking about the behind that would be the ultimate ryan. Yeah that would be. I would i would have to yours. I wouldn't rely on could. Could you just talk about george mason. Let's move onto bagai the year. Are this bag or bad bad. Who who is your pick for bad gave the year precede pre seriously preseason folks. This is honestly every single year. You and i have this kind of crux. Where we we try to figure out. Who is the bad guy. And i mean you know you look at it team alabama you see nato and you see all these guys that are considering alabama. I know where you say. Well that's some bad moves you you obviously watch documentary the scheme where you know. The guy who was paying player says we'll wait is a gangster. You know what i mean and you say to yourself that's bad guy move But i think the answer is simple. I think he made it known when he decided to put out to the world that he does not going to have his team play in the tournament this year when he went on national broadcasts with the number five pig is grow from last year when he has a five star. Coming in this year's reef cooper who was going to now play overseas they get paid eligible. Let the bad guy. That years. Bruce pearl the bad guy at the will be the preseason bad guys bruce. Pearl the guy at the end of the year. We'll be bruce pearl. I think It's it's inevitable at this point. I think we know who. Bruce pearl is wants us to think he's a good guy and i think that makes him even more of a bad guy It like it honestly. There's a chance that he could ever become a guy in my mind based on our own. You know breakdown of what it would be. And i think he is fully in bagai mode. I think he's trying to make a push to own the sec. What what tokyo kind of has with those those five star kids coming in and going out one year and i mean you look at the success that he's had he's had some you know some good draft picks some good talent come through the program but he is the quintessential bagai. He knows what today. But he's not saying what he thinks or what. He believes And that bruce. Bro bag either year character counts here. I kind of agree with your line of thinking. But i think bruce pearl wants to to bed so i'm not giving it Good bruce he's a little too desperate to in baghdad. Here i am picking juwan howard. Is my bag here because right now. My preseason back again. This is my speculative. Pick that by the end of the year john howard. He's already well on his way. Michigan has the number one recruiting class in the country. We expect that to change correct by the time all the rest of the guys commit like part of the reason is because they have so many commits right now but also they got some five stars and juwan howard is making a happy took over the job He took over for. John goes back. Does all the modern of the press conference that one over. I was like man. You know a lot of these guys you think. They're just they're just to like be you know. Maybe he's just there to be juwan howard and collect millions of dollars in the beyond his way the case he loves michigan. He wants michigan to be a winner but he wants to change the culture. Culture is a big deal to and to me. Being a bad guy is not even about results of michigan ends up with like say the fifth best class in the country. Are you asking me what he loses status. I don't think so. Necessarily what the see. What happens. But i being a bad guy is about the aura yet. Your i think it's about the vibe. I think john howard right now is in the zone. He has got his bag. He's in his bad guys zone. He's in the running for holmgren. Who i might mention later. Who's the number one in the country and one seven number one in the country. I i think it's all going to be drawn out. I don't know if he's gonna land home. God i hope not that would be. That would not be fun for me. But he's he's he's got the or michigan's get mentioned. Five stars considering michigan fight the number one recruiting class in two twenty twenty one We still had the second window like we talked about. But i mean they are want howard is a great pick there. I mean that is michigan basketball in general seems to be like they're trying to replicate the fab five era. She got football does the better. It is with the basketball team. Like the more power they get. The more harbaugh messes up like the basketball team. Grow stronger swear to god. It's true because it's like the best identity of the basketball program gets bigger because more people talk about michigan beena basketball school. And then yeah. That's how it works. The worst michigan is a football better. They become a basketball. So my favorite thing is that i don't even watch football games. I'm just on twitter as i am like scrolling through and watching the acc football games. And i just witnessed michigan fans every single week rich. Eisen you know all these guys. They just basically break down every saturday about michigan football. And like you said if that's the case like if you go to every school saturday you're just gonna your spirit is going to be broken. Why would you not want to just be excited for college basketball. So that is the joy of being her house. Day football fans. You have two teams to watch your teams to cheer for each year. For how st louis michigan. I watch every single michigan game. Everyone i've probably watched more michigan. This year that i have ohio state. Because i think it's up big and then i turned the tv off for like start doing chores around the house lose interest. It was like. I wouldn't call them friends but most of the do people in my life last year. What they were doing carolina basketball they would just be screen grid scored. I'm like oh that's great. I'm not watching hilarious. So i enjoy watching michigan. It never gets old all right last one. We'll take a break coach k. Disciple the i know you thoughts you always do. Yeah coach katy so in the running right now that we have in the world. We have johnny dawkins at central florida. Obviously we have jeff cable. We have mike bray. We have. Steve borgia caskey. We have chris collins. We have tommy anchor. We're and the coach k. disciple of the year. It's always basically someone that's going to make coach k. Look good from a distance or they're going to get back into the family with coach k. the coach k. Decide whether you're it'll be the first time the coach k. Takes any credit for anything. He's done since he played for him. It will be bobby hurley. And i don't think that bobby hurley has the same. I don't even know what the right term is but loyalty beyond belief that you know. Some of these. Other guys may have with coach k. I think he has his own. Life is respect that his own dad. Obviously a great coach. He's not an all coach k. Right he's he's he's like. I'm i'm good. I know basketball. You're not the you're not the one that knows basketball. But i think this year when they do well and they see coach k.'s. Going to claim. Bobby hurley is going to reach back out. He's gonna create that line of communication again because coach has to find the practice yes to find. The next guy is not going to be. It's not gonna be capable. I don't think it's gonna be whoa joe. It's not gonna be chris collins like i. I think those guys are out of it. Yeah bobby hurley. Is johnny dawkins. Isn't the guy bobby. Hurley is the best bet. He has the most promising upside. And i think coach k. Creates a line of communication. Even if it's like a comment like we see coach k. Makes them sort of common about how he enjoyed watching arizona state the other night. You know it how hard they play or something like that. I think that opens the line of communication there. I like your pick. It makes a lot of sense. I would pick it under normal circumstances but twenty twenty. These are not normal circumstances. I'm going to pick that is similar to your line of thinking. This is where. I thought you were going with this my pick. What when you when you when you end up saying bray a guy who's going to get back into the duke. Fold a guy that's going to be showing up at do practices a guy that is a dookie through and through he. He is the head coach of a team. That is not playing basketball. This season and his name is tommy anchor. There is no harvard basketball. This have you cancel the. What does tom amick are going to do. He's scheme tate. That's what he's gonna do you think he's going to go play golf every day and sit on his hands. No absolutely he's going to be in. Durham picking coach k.'s. Brain shaken hands with with wherever you needs to shake hands with reminding everybody that i played here. And that's my jersey up there. I don't even know via jersey up there and the raft is gonna put it up. It's not easy to break in and hang it up there. I think tommy tucker. There's gonna be some little finger and going on behind the scenes. Game of thrones reference. It's not a euphemism people to give it throws me is a nineteen ninety s college basketball. Podcast what's going on here. I think we ever is gonna use this time off. He's gonna work twice as hard as you would if you had. And he's going to be a great big. That's a big effect when you. I said that. I thought you were gonna jeff cable. A cable is going to get fired from pitt. And then come out and do what i was talking about with mike bray but tommy anchors definitely going to be around in fact he's probably already around a is honestly a great dark horse to take the duke job just just for the sheer fact that duke thinks it is princeton and to take the harvard coach would be we. We might as well get the harvard coach. Tubby being around practice coach k. Kind of falls back in love with them. I love that story. let's see break. We're going to finish this off. The second half is going to get completely off. The rails are the dumbest ones that we have so get excited about that. Everybody quick break to get a word from our sponsor del exciting developments or emotion dell is officially giving out the biggest deals of the year for black friday and there's free shipping on everything. 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We felt like we got to create an award for him and it stuck around some great ones. College jim calhoun. He's not that bad. You know coach k. Amazing we had Yeah bob knight is given so many. Jim bay i yelled at and katz called stupid but then also yielded his own student newspaper and said they went to one ten f games without jerry matt. The list goes on. We have with a press conference for john. Chainey john kerry fought. There's always great press conference. There's always going to be a handful of greed press conferences that are memorable in college basketball so now because this is the preseason econ- out rick barnes and tennessee. There's yes these other preseason awards that so we have to basically guess as to be the best press conference of this season. What is going to happen. What is going to transpire. That's going to lead to the press conference the year. here it is. Here's my pick and this is a if you thought. My previous picks rider left field and a little ridiculous. We'll get ready for this one saturday night. What is that date coming up this saturday night. Coming up Oh dukes out of her seat dukes. First game of the season in cameron. Indoor without the cameron crazies for the first time they don't play wednesday night garner a covert. So they're not gonna play that game. The first game is against coppin state. Coppin state comes to cameron. Indoor there is no cameron crazies. There is no loud noise evener. They're gonna try to pump noise and there. But who's the head coach. Compensate you ass maryland's own juan dixon. A man that knows k. A man that knows duke man that knows you know basically how to get past the blue devil curse the crazies and the devils himself the presser the year is going to be after compensate pools the upset of also upset so without the cameron crazies coach k. goes to his press conference and absolutely loses it because coach k. Has never not had the cameron crazies on his side. He's never not had the home court advantage and he's going to be an empty gym. He's gonna have a team that is not as talented. His team beat them up and he's going to lose it. He's gonna talk about how they need to have fans in the building is gonna talk about how all these protocols are dumb. He's going to finally break because he can't believe that he doesn't have. The congressman is going to call out his congressman. And everybody's like what happened when the The bathroom bill passed the north carolina. And the duke had to play south carolina south carolina. Never get whatever's going to get rid of that bill That is what i would i say. Presser the year coach k.'s. Response without the crazy so saturday night. Mark that down preseason duffy of the year. I'm also gonna pay an elaborate picture. Forty in my world my winner shawn miller again. The guy who invented this category. And i see it. This way shawn miller is not having a great year. His team is not expected to be very good. They're not playing. Well he's got the ncaa cloud hanging over him as he has for for a while now but now we have the notice of allegations that he's dealing with an and it seems pretty serious and he keeps getting asked about that over and over it becomes a thorn in his side throughout the season and his team is not doing so hot. They're not winning. And then smack dab on the schedule you look up at suddenly. I haven't actually looked at when they played but suddenly look up and they're across staring in the face is the number four th ranked arizona state sun devils archrival. You're in state nemesis. All the chatter heading into the game is that the rules are flipped. Arizona's supposed to be the blueblood arizona state's supposed to be the little brother but now all the sudden arizona state looks like a national title contender. They have five star. They have all americans arizona has. You're nothing you're empire is done. You've crumbled you're dead. Get out of here. Arizona pulls off the upset shawn miller has a message for the haters in the post game press conference and i think that's our that's our press conference of the year is shawn miller just burning it down there on a double middle fingers calling. Maybe us out. Maybe calls us up by name. That would be awesome. That would be great for us. Daddy i don't know mark titus bartender so that. That's that's how i see. I'm picking shawn miller upsets arizona state at ruins State season. and then zack schwartz. Is texting us. How much you hate shawn miller. And because i play both sides i do it. Well i i'll make fun of shawn miller then turn around make fun of mark schlabach and company side. Yeah that's the game. They're listening right now. They're like wait a second. What's all right so in the same speaker sleep Our next a word or next you're handing out preseason excellence in journalism award day. We got to speculate. What's going to happen. What is going to be the best piece of journalism we see this year. Excellence in journalism This award is you know you. And i. we've had a gambit of headlines that we always pull from and the one that's still sticks out to me Dating back to february twenty third twenty eight team. Mark schlabach said shawn miller of arizona. Comma christian dawkins discuss payments who get top recruit to a you. That was the headline was simple as that. And i think that you know that moment in time that freeze frame of you know m calling out shawn miller saying that they were. Fbi wiretaps one hundred thousand dollars that has led to the full story arc. Shlapak in a away you know. He went under a rock for will. Never forget getting a from my friend. Who said they have wiretaps shawn miller turn on the tv. And i turned it on and sportscenter just had a big picture shawn miller. And it's is breaking news. Wiretaps and i was standing in my living room with my hands on my head. Like oh my god. They got wiretaps. Oh my oh doesn't and so. I think this is the year excellence in journalism archly. About finally gets the nail in the coffin. He finally gets the show together. Finally the final hit piece that puts all the pieces together and says the how arizona. How're how shall miller of arizona is able to stay in. This job is beyond me as journalists is what he's going to write The regents the border regions at arizona. They finally read that piece. They say look this guy. It's been going after our guy for like three years at this point. We we suck you know anderson. The march laibach redemption store. I say that mark schlabach finally gets it right. that is the et center. That is the excellence in journalism. Because he got it so wrong before we kinda tongue-in-cheek corded excellence in journalism. This time it is to actually yes. He's actually going to but he's actually going to write it up. He's actually going to report it out and show him others actually going to go. So wow nobody's gonna care that's going to be a part. Nobody's gonna care. No one's going to remember that this happened but that is my experts. The preseason remember schley box back all right so here my thoughts first of all the leader in the clubhouse for me right now is obviously bruce pearl's youth. Espn where they the pixelated side of the road he says character counts and within a week. He's his team. Has as opposed abandoned. His best player eligible amazing. You could scripted any better going to be very hard to top. I also think at some point. We're gonna get a dickey scoop that doesn't materialize. Where he we get those all the time absolutely. He says this is going to happen. It doesn't happen. There's rob dos tres. Ten billion podcasts. He started his podcast at work. I think that's gonna come close. I think somebody's going to write. These are these are all were. These are not my picks. He's ones up considering. I think someone from the athletic probably. It's going to be the athletic. It always is going to write. The bill cosby is a change man. And and you know billy. Gillespie you don't you don't you. Don't know how he praised three times a day. He prays now three son. Yeah we're going to get like this very long article that i'll read the first half of the first paragraph say pleased by subscription. I don't think so. And then the last night i put. This doubt is an honorable mention. And i put. Does michael have access. Because i think we need to consider that if he has access to twitter in prison we might get a tweet. I mean michael have a nanny for people that don't remember. This is the man the twitter end. Duke the greatest tweet to ever be on twitter to get people fired up to think. Oh my god. My glad is taking down to nothing happened. Here's by picked up on this. I don't know exactly how it's gonna work. But i think someone is going to go to insane links to document something in college basketball during these cova time. I think it might be us. It might be us going to asheville for the me. We're going to lock ourselves at a hotel room for a week. We're going to test ourselves every day. We're gonna we're basically inside the bubble. I picture someone doing that. Like i i. I'm closing my eyes. I see a headline that says like covid pushed this small community to the brink but basketball and one man but one man and then like i and basketball hyphen again. Saved in a story about like. What's what's the the the isn't there like a texas rio grande valley state. Yes yes yes like bryan hamilton. They athletic goes down there for two months and reports live from this town. That's like on the brink. Because i don't know the economy is suffering. Because i think it's gonna be something like that. We're like it's going to be a great article but you're going to step back and be like holy shit. Did you spend two months i do. You spent two months in the pentagon boy put teams there. The other thing. I was considering was to do an anniversary of an item where they the algorithm tells them that the internet would love this but the internet doesn't actually love it and they're like we track down where ed coolies ripped pants are today. We track them down. Here's the oral history of those pants out an article. This is the five year anniversary of cooley ripped pants. Here's the oral history. They tweet that out because they think that's the algorithm big dinner s can be like holy shit. Finally everyone's been waiting on how this happened. Nobody cares you all right so like. I don't know what it looks like also bryan. Hamilton's shut up brian. He loves the loves those serious articles. He loves those like it was a misty morning. And the mall That's real journalism. Anderson had no idea what was on the brink of ford's curry the curators patrons of the world yet. It's like it's like the ultimate setting. It's like you didn't have other multimedia so you had to write that way for people to visualize it somehow we can watch everything you see it and we still need to write that way but That's besides the point that i think that's great i think that's that's a great rundown excellence journalism and also atty getting a reference. Who would've thought twitter account seriously. Bring him back reinfect all right next one on the list. We don't spend a lot of time on this but We withdraw your pick a hero of the year preseason court year of the year yes this is It's a simple for me. In fact i've been sitting on this. Pick since zion williamson came into college basketball because there was another number one in the city and his name was ray kwan. Gray and he played on florida's state and was very very similar to zion williamson left-handed immovable. At like he's got the power and he's like a fun loving guy that everyone loves team is a redshirt junior. This year is his fourth year in the program. A lot of people were talking about. Scotty barnes i think rick quan gray is one of the most likeable players and in florida state. This year. he's going to become a star. You're going to become the face of florida state basketball surprising. Both he's got a little chubby. You know he's got a little stomach on him so he's a big baby He can throw the yeah. I mean it's just a any escort a guy. The guy plays a like zion. So it's going to be familiar in some senses. He's got a company down there with our state and i've talked to people with state. They said he's looked great so far. So wow Code hero their state. Rick want grain a little little off the beaten path pick. Yeah that's good pick. America does love a chubby basketball player. My pick is a guy that we are very familiar with. His name is jay is for ucla. And i feel like a year too late. I feel like we are. We worries expectations. That's what i made. I of like what we're talking about earlier about the coaches you peak. And then you got the expectation next year that feels like man to me but but what is preseason. What are preseason awards. If not expectations. I putting the expectation on jay. I'm looking for you to be the quote here of the year. I don't think he's going to actually win it. I think every bentsen's a guy. I have my eye on. I think i think that guy the way. He plays the way he looks. The fact that texas tech is going to be very good. I think he has a shot. I think i think avery benson has shot to be a hero. That like he'll he'll have some like hustle plays. That will win people. He'll play a brand basketball. That people would usually hate but he's kinda likable ingredients and i. There's there's like an edge to him so like people don't hate it. They actually love it which is to say. He has tattoos. I that's the if you don't have tattoos you'd like a choirboy brad. Brad davidson headed up. Everybody will be like yeah. Yeah but this guy's tough gritty birdman bourbon. People respect me. He's like copy. Chris anderson's name. I was gonna say cold hero. Mitch texas tech. Mac book long has to be in there as as a cold here. It's probably too big to be a cult hero Brad davis is another guy. That'd be a cold hero. But they're probably big. I mean there. I think it's one of our favourite awards because it does come out of nowhere like sister. Jeanne obviously came out of nowhere. The muscleman fan what about what about. Here's what here's a. Here's an outside the box pick. What about Dan gavitt The the guy. Who's the closest thing. We have to college basketball. Czar what if like. I don't know the season moves on. I mean he's already. He's already got the going in indianapolis tournament. The whole thing is going to be an indie. What what if as the season progresses and it looks like more more challenges are presented themselves in the dan gabbage. This keeps getting he. He becomes the doctor fauci college basketball. Where he's like. We're good we got. Here's how we're going to do this. And he just starts spilling out the plans each step of the way and just reassures us throughout the year. Then we see his face. I liked this guy every time he gets on my tv. He makes me feel better about this. He does feel gave. It does feel like you said he is deserve college. Somebody's also like a a voice of reason when you take the answer. Aa like there's some days like today like jeff goodman tweeted at one o'clock we've got all this crazy news bali's coaches that's going college basketball. What's going on here and there always seems to be like this moment where it's like well. Let's talk this chicken with dan gavin. What's going on actually within. And he's like well. Here's what we saw. Here's what we're thinking. Do you kind of get this. Oh they're thinking about it like thinking. So i do think that i think there's a chance that him going on being the face of guy dr fauci mos like. Oh they're thinking about it trying to figure this thing out so yeah i could see that being a coal here and also a lot of people may not know dan gavitt is exactly but he he just. He gets introduced to america this year. Moore's afford phase of the tournament so Let's go to keep an eye on all right. You're preseason comeback of the year you notice. I didn't come back player. This is this is just comeback of any sort. And i think when i think a comeback i think brands i think of college basketball about identity. It's all about tradition. It's all about you know the coaches and all the things that go into it when you think about a program that has reached the mountaintop seven times in my mind. six in yours They last year were abysmal they It was disrespectful to me. Is carolina basketball fender. That was the product that was on the floor. And that's why. I'm not all the way bought in on garrison brooks because when you lose clemson at home you know and you don't thousand body. I have no sympathy for you when you do. Trade jones do what they did to you and throw up an air ball and a guy that's committed carolina lays it in. I have no sympathy for you. With a comeback of the years roy williams williams last year was laughed at a lot of people were saying that he's not a good coach. This was proved that he's not a good coach. This is what everyone's always wanted. That roy williams was just fortunate to be in good programs. He's not an actual good coach. That's always been kind of knocking last year. A lot of people saw that and said this is it. Roy williams sucks and team sucked. And i think this year we come back. He gets the young freshmen to play hard for him. And carolina basketball comes back quote unquote. I'm not saying there wasn't an astrium ship. I'm not even saying they're gonna make final four. They're just not going to lose by twenty five dollars to exactly and they're going to be more expensive. Probably honestly garrison brooks probably. I'll say it again but we'll see what happens. I think that they're going to bounce back and I think that ruins going to bounce back the she'll i come back in the year roy williams i agree with you. Carolina is definitely going to be In the running for comeback the year. They'll they'll they'll definitely be at least a nominee lankford zeman number two. Josh josh. lyford. I have i have him on. My list is honorable mention but my my comeback. My preseason comeback into the state I think this is a big year for the i test. The test has been much maligned in recent years. Ever since kim came around kim palm has become the guy. Kim palms but kim algorithm this year is going to be all over the place. There's not going to be enough data. There's going to be just weird. Some team is like four. No other teams twelve. Know who which teams better kim palm like. I see it this way. america looks at. It's kim palm go home. you're drunk. We don't wanna hear that. Get it out of our face get your out of. I don't need to point this out. Say we're living in a time. Where how do i say. This people hate science and so. I think we're prime as a college basketball community to be like i see your data i reject it get it out at. Yeah and i think this is going to be a big talking point that time. We enter a selection sunday. To where i test is going to be at a premium. I test is back. I think i test is is. The thing is like people are get your. Rpi's we tried the net the network for one week when ohio i was number one in the initial net rankings and then they weren't number one anymore and i think all of america said we don't need this anymore savagely flawed. We lost the rpi a few years ago. I think in college basketball had a good run. It's over now. Digest test is back. That's that's my prediction. Which you and i always joke about eye test which is basically. It's the letter. I it's i think based on what i saw A lot of people like to say it's you know it's it's a blanket. It's just the eye test the backdrop of the year. This is tough because there's the head home. Grins of the. There's the top flight guys that we would talk about that. I would say i. Because i i mean i'll go first because i might straightforward chris. Oldman's shit home grid assigned state. I mean that's happened i have. I have sources that said. That said it's happening. It was my dream last night. Come on. I woke up in the middle of the night. I wrote it down a notebook. And then i rolled over in salt this morning. I was like oh my report so chat holmgren is the tall skinny white kid from minnesota for those adult father creating that closely summer saying the new matthew hurt. It's become. It's becoming a bit for me like i. I initially started like. I remember when i used to say. Don't follow recruiting. And i was genuine with it. I don't follow on folk. I've i've said that phrase so many times now that it's just become a bit that i'd say don't focus i started but is supposed he. He he took a visit to a high of state. In my knowledge he's taken to visits was to gonzaga. One was to ohio state right before all the covert stuff happens so he hasn't been visiting. Schools sued minor standing is that he's just been visit. Those ohio state the last place he visited so he's had a lot of time to think about that. Visit hasn't had a new person come along like try to united states. That's i in. My head is head home. Good walking into the locker room. Seeing lebron james's locker looking over at everyone and going. What so. that is my here. He's got he's got to twenty four seven which i thought was reputable. But now i see this and i'm like i know. He said that they say the three schools he's into he did a final seven right carolina's on the list as well. Yeah yeah yup but twenty. Four seven says it's gonzaga minnesota michigan minnesota the local pick zagazig favourite and then michigan's the one that scares me because want howard as i said is is my bad guy that your prediction and i i am just what bullets over this this is that is that is my mercenary. Has home goes to michigan. That can happen i it. That doesn't happen in fact personally. That's still in michigan basketball school. You guys are football school. I want to be a basketball school. I wonder how to win basketball national championship. They did that one. What's your pick. My pick is simple because it just happened and Backdrop of the year this is the preseason backdrop of the year might be the final season backdrop of the year. And we get to the end of the year. Mason miller mason. Miller son of mike miller a man who was pulled out of memphis Guaranteed penny backdrop. The end of the day. Mike miller leaves his job. He opens up the recruitment mason. Miller is down to two schools indiana and creighton. I think the backdrop of the year is he goes to creighton. i think he goes to creighton. I think doug mcdermott gets mesa. Miller i think mike miller is around the program. I think crayton makes little push like. I said capital be blueblood backdrop of the year mason miller and if he goes to indiana i would give it to indiana but i do think it's creighton Fingers crossed so basin miller backdrop of the year create. All right. Mike miller son for anyone. That doesn't know all right. We got a couple more. And then what are we got two more. Two more our penultimate duffy were handing out the image. Make the preseason image makeover of the year Let's see here. You want you wanna go first. I i have my. I think this is the year that we finally all come together. And we say coach sampson. We're sorry you're a good man your program. We like how you're running things that houston houston is. Come back and coach. Yeah yeah this is. This is the year that i think. Kelvin sampson gets that credit card debt credit back from the powers that be i should say and i. I know that a lot of people always when he gets showed on. Tv they're like of course you remember kelvin sampson at indiana and we talked about it ad. Nauseam the phone calls is now illegal thing that you can do so it is what it is. I think this year kelvin. Sampson becomes like the likable guy. That he should be. He should he hasn't been the whole time. It seems like and America falls back in love with them. So image makeover kelvin sampson. He's not a bad guy anymore. You just go coach loves. His guys gets the best out of them. That's a great pick. i like. I like that pick a lot. I have i mean patino. Gillespie are the obvious ones like. They're going to try something pacino's campaign so far he's coming out like being the voice of reason. Talk about madness. Let's push it back to start the season. The march rick potato is dr fauci college. Which like is makes total sense to me as well. 'cause i what i said at the top of show positive vibes only. We're gonna be fine. I mean they say the vaccine is gonna come out in the spring like maybe maybe wait. I don't know but whatever gloss is not happening adult. I'm the i'm not buying it but i do think someone's going to try. I think someone's going to write an article. That's going to be like building. You were wrong about billy. Gillespie and here's why. And then i'm going to read it and be like no. That's still pretty right about the guy. I think we have fran. Mccaffrey not yelling as much. I think that's gonna be an image makeover. I was going to win a lot. And we're going to get shots of frame. Mccaffrey actually smiling. Which is like wolverine guy. A nice guy shock smart having hair. That's that's certainly make an end winning because texas is going to be better than people think i I'm on that train. My pick. Is i think matt harms at. Byu guy who was hated by big ten fans. My father among them absolutely hates arms has he's already won them. Over matt. hardy has appeared on. He was on her show last night that we did for fs one. He was on the podcast over the summer. My dad had nice things to say about him. But also i just think he needed to change a senior. I think it was like the perdue brand. Just like there's something about the chemistry of the brand new jersey who was wearing the role. He was playing for. Purdue he's playing in the big ten. Which i think lake. It's an uphill battle for guys in the big ten already. I think there's just like a it just doesn't feel right when white guy. I don't know when your energy guys well doesn't play i think. Byu the change of scenery needs. He's going to play for a coach. Who's a big man. We love mark pope but mark. Big man mark pope can coach them up and be like i played nimby as a big man. Let me teach you so where he's actually skilled actually showing off his skill versus just being the guy with the that flips hair. Back is the energy you know. That's what he's been to most of america. Yup so my pick is matt hearts. I think people are going to actually like ours. I think he's going to be be better than he's been given credit he was. He was the crown jewel the transfer market this year. And i think. I think people are gonna like him. Now that's my prediction. Yeah and byu likeable team. I mean mark. Pope is a likable coach. They have You know there's there's a little bit of an air about the byu program with the brandon davies history where there's like unfinished business of You know i mean no davies business. Definitely what what happened was that we are interested in business. Rusher my goodness this time right. I feel like byu last year. I liked tulleson. Hughley child's i like what they had the tournament this year with harms. They seem like they reloaded. So i could definitely be. You know having being the face of the program but not being defaced. It's like the hardworking white guy like elbows people and stuff. I could see him having like a. Who was the. Eric meek. The plate of byu had the monster game and beat gonzaga. And i watched that game and he was. He was lying anyway pro early and he should have stayed. You would have been awesome the next year. I see my heart's doing that like he's going to have a monster game against gonzaga and cheerful. Because they're going to lose because gonzaga will be number one and undefeated and all that stuff and byu will pull the upset because my arms balls out. and then i liked this guy. What's going on. This is weird. That the same guy i hated at purdue and i will say like this is a little aside but in utah in general they have a history of doing well with seven footers. I mean jaka pertile obviously was just in the state of utah. And i'm talking about utah. Itself i mean andrew bogut the. Let's see the list goes on so like bad harvest in utah. Seven footers in utah. Good history there. So i'm all on that. Our final preseason duffy. We are handed out. It is the mystery of the year coming to you from two guys that the mysteries in the past we've had include fat is a good coach. Is billy preston. Ever going to be eligible or not is. What is michael porter jr. Junior's injury status is he healthy. Is he not. Health is good as michael porter. Jr. general the mystery continues. Who is jeff angelo. Who has jackson simpson. And was he intoxicated as he was behind the wheel on that fateful night. The mysteries abound on this program. If if there will be mysteries the season that much we know but which will be the year when it's all said How is coach k.'s. Hair still black. That is the mystery of the year. We've let it slide for three or four seasons now but we're getting into the territory of like coach. Just let it go. Let it happen. that that is my number one mystery. This year that. I'm trying to focus back in on a number. Two is sheriff cooper at auburn I think that he is the new billy preston. He is He's one of those guys where we're going to talk about his saga as he goes through this process. I mean he could end up playing in lithuania for all we know so. Those are my two coach k. Always like what's going on with the hair and to sri poupard auburn. I mean officially on the sheriff grouper. Pick i play. The music will play the music. The music i think schrief cooper is going to be the mystery. I think it's getting to the especially if he goes overseas before he leaves auburn. Now and then. No evidence has to come to light. No no because at that point. You don't have to say you have to reveal what's going on if you suspend him for like six games or did you start like i think i think if he goes it's a clean break is what i'm saying if he goes overseas never played for auburn. Then there's nothing has to happen and no one ever has to know anything and then so always be like. I wonder what happened. Why don't we know the story there. Then we'll have to of put on our journalism. We're gonna know the story. I think that cooper is gonna talk. I think i i really do. I think the cooper is gonna talk that. Bruce pearl is going to do his best to keep. I mean honestly it makes us why he was so frazzled when he was on the draft night. You know it seems like a lots going on in auburn. So we're gonna have story on his way to talk to coober on his way to bury a body. I can take care of this. But i i digress. The other the other options that kobe king would be another journey. Athlet i think kobe king i be a mystery now but i think like we're gonna look up january. It'd be like oh. He's just playing basketball. He's making rap songs for soundcloud. I forgot to ask. Brad davis said about that. If you listen to coby king soundcloud. That was the other one of my regrets. Talked about all these guys. Who've had i think. Seth towns at ohio state is going to be on my radar. He was ivy. League player of the year is not play basketball in a long time. Gus tommy product He was a big in the offseason for iowa state to get him to commit but like now all the word coming out of columbus is like his knees aren't great and is he healthy as he not help that mr he's gonna he's not going to start the season. I don't think i think he's gonna. It's gonna take a while before he comes back. If he comes back is he gonna come back. I don't know but he's but he's good enough. He has the talent that he's going to be the as up. The sleeves like the mystery is always if ohio state can get towns healthy. They're back and there. We gotta get them healthy week away or two weeks away to hoping for my philly. He he obviously had the you know the situation. This summer with police brutality was on the street and had to deal with that sort of thing. I mean arrested. Yes remember exactly what happens but yeah he seems like a great guy is as far as like yours a mystery. Here's a mystery. Keep an eye on. no. I think this one. This one has legs. It's one might be a winner. Is gregg marshall getting paid. Eight million dollars to resign from wichita state. It finally happened. I don't think we actually talked about on the show. He finally is no longer. The head. Coach of wichita state in which we were told is going to happen never finally did and then it finally did and the mystery is if you have a if you have cause to fire a guy and you can fire him. Get a have a clean break. It'd be done with it. Why would you pay seven million dollars. That's the question because he knows the secrets. It's exactly what are the secrets. That's the mystery taetan. That is the mystery and wichita state said it's done. They paid him. They close the book they wipe their hands. They said never ask about this again. And all of us. That are real journalists. We said we want to ask. I wasn't really gonna ask about it honestly. I probably would've asked about it. But now i'm gonna ask like what's going on here. Yeah that's a good mystery. So the gregg marshall paid out mr. Yeah that's good. That's we're obviously going to find more as the season goes on One thing we need to settle on before we get to shoutouts. Who is our bandwagon team. We never really picked this but we were throwing it around. The season starts on wednesday. I think we should settle this as a show because this is something that that has become fun for you and is like yeah we each have all maters teams would kind of like but i won't like a shared experience. I want you and i to watch this team together. Cheer for them. I want our listeners to cheer for them if if their team sucks for example there even if they don't suck they just want like another team to watch i want i want a collective title and friends of the program. All of us are in this together. Were thrown oliver weight behind this one team. And we've it out some candidates but we haven't settled on. I think we should do this before. The season starts right to it. I what is the best. Because it's not you and i talking it out because we're going to have our own convictions. Is there another way that we can. We can take our benway. I did okay. we have a mascot on this. Name is moses. He is my golden retriever. He appeared on the show famously. Many times by barking by speaking. I say mozambique and he goes happened. People set didn't happen the haters chapter. What if there's a. What if we pick some candidates i do. I do my little thing. Where i put treats out. And then he picks one and then that's is that let's do a final ford. Will moses pick basil treat. So who are the candidates we have. Let's let's throw all the candidates on the table. Whittle it down to final four we have illinois illinois. You're very high on them. I'll throw them in the mix. I liked them. Oklahoma state because we liked the march madness. I think we throughout tennessee. We want to focus in. Yeah yeah and we feel bad just about a couple of years ago when we think it's more interesting. Yeah it's guilt getting fucked up. It'd be a lot of fun in. Tennessee is a good pick. Ucla i wanted to create. You don't want creighton like i'm actually. I basal mason. Miller who i think i just looked up. He did commit to creighton today. so i am actually did he committed. I just looked it up. He committed to create. today. I didn't realize it. He admitted to create and so backdrop of the called already full house over so creighton. Amax you back it on. Because if they have mike they they can be in the mix. We'll throw create. Now they're like zahir. Ask you so all right. Well is that. Because the the other ones i i was thinking arizona's state i don't i don't know we will not give experts that know. What about your family your religion and runyan's basket brokers should be in their rutgers for sure what about like and then i was thinking like mid major of richmond or unc greensboro or furman. Or one of those. You know let's go unc. g isaiah stewart. Who so what is our final four. Do want more than four. Do we want to lead eight. Now let's just do a final four doc. i all right so illinois arizona. Al okay yeah illinois has to be on it you think i. Oklahoma state has to be on it. Because we told cunningham told we promise made promise to give breaks in and see the problem the problem with illinois and tennessee both want them on their on their bandwagon. My problem if i can raise concern here is that they're ranked too high to start the season. What does the ap poll. Let's is that. Can you can a team. That's i think tennessee's twelve so that's far enough. Oh creeds like eleventh right. yeah so. I i think tennessee fine. I think that there might be in illinois. I don't even care about preseason rankings. Don't care is yeah. We read eleven tennessee's twelfth leave illinois on there because they need absolutely we had to leave illinois. Here's the big ten school. And i notice there's acc school so it's easy for you to cheer for all these teams illinois plays ohio state. I have to get off the bandwagon and then back on. If you wanna throw a four if you were to throw florida state in there has been a wagon team. I mean i'm always in a florida state. I mean coach. Hamilton is the most likable coach in america. So i mean outside of maybe mike bray but i i think Florida state could be taken off that. That's the only problem is like roker. Rutgers is staying in roofers gus. dan we'll case and then there's no major then i mean do you just dickey this bracket like you said trying to sixty eighty brick on like coach. I'm trying to figure out what i have to make an executive i think illinois has to be off. I don't think that's your thing. I think it has to be your straight all right. that's my thing. I am bandwagon. Just passes my test. Listen i think want to good. I think too like if it comes down to illinois and ohio state for the big ten title or something like. I don't want to have to pick rutgers is in the big ten to but come on. It's okay we we can leave rutgers the illinois fans. I'm sorry i'm on your bandwagon ish but like i. I want this to be full steam ahead. I'm all behind. I don't want it to be an ish thing to put the cap on an off. i'm all in. I will not take the cap off. The i will not cliff alexander illinois. The fighting the line are like did. How are we gonna do it because we got to take somebody who is it justice so rucker no and then no major. You're saying no to greensboro firm richmond. I think richmond or unc. G could be in there but all right. So what are the four that we have illinois oklahoma state tennessee and creighton. Those are the four right now. All right so take out takeout tennessee. That can be me. I'll get hooked up on my own. All right you get fucked up on your own time. I'll get my own time in illinois oklahoma state creighton and we need a ford either rutgers say richmond greensboro furman. I think unc g. It should be richmond honestly. Maybe maybe we'll say all right it's one or the other. Do we were tracking for this to not be a to our podcast. I was like i. I've in my head because unc g. I mean i want people to think it'd be unbiased rich. We don't wanna do firming because then if we end up picking firm and then unc greensboro venture. Really hate us. Yeah the same conference. So we'll go richmond all right. That's perfect so our choices are we have to have one. Eighteen sorry dayton fans dayton dayton last year they were yes you throw a mid major there just for fun so our choices are illinois oklahoma state richmond and creighton. That's a pretty good for. Do you wanna do let me see here. So richmond will be the four seed. How do we do so what's the first match illinois creatine illinois illinois richmond right seed. Cd doesn't matter. Because i'm still. I'm so stressed he's knocked out. It's gonna take up. We gotta push you to work moses. Please help us. He's like dammit. Oh sleeping. I don't care about your. He's sitting here. I don't know if you can see this. I don't know how we got. We got him. He's got the trust me tate. I i don't know how to work the camera. I get it. I have my left hand left. Hand right hand illinois richmond so on right. Hbo annoyed because he's sitting. He's sitting slightly to my right so that gives illinois a slight advantage. Homecraft left all right here. We go who agree to want. Okay moses pick one okay come up it's illinois. Yeah he went right for it richmond which soon now we have oklahoma state and creighton. Oklahoma state is the one to two seats. Increased said same thing. I feel like this is an upset. Right hand will be then oklahoma state. Right because the tally okay. Oh he looked. He looked over at creighton but he picked oklahoma state. Oh so let me close game. Yeah this is this to decide the tightest and tate z. Of the season unless they start out. Slow excited start the season it is illinois represented with the right hand oklahoma state representative with the left hand. Okay oklahoma state. Wow wow wow he mix it up. Good job buddy. Honestly honestly makes me feel so much better about arcade cunningham problems. So it's official. That america hates the team. They don't want them to make the tournament they that they dropped the back for kate cunningham. But you know at ted isn't state says who cares who are here. We're supporting you. We want you to be in the tournament. We won't the appeals to work. Let's stretch it out. Let's wait till next year. Oklahoma state for oklahoma state is officially our bandwagon team again until they lose. If it'll tell doug godly still yeah. Don't tell doug through the season. Oklahoma state feels like ben simmons at lsu. I might hit the jackpot and everybody gets deal right now. Oklahoma state is the team moses. You wanted to want to speak speak. Speak speak oh heard it there. It is nice. Yeah he's on the bandwagon. Let's let's go. Cows shutouts closeouts men. I just wanted to shout out to fox. Sports one And fox sports in general a year ago. You and i like. I said we weren't doing a podcast. We didn't know what was going on. And then Today last night. Monday night we were on f s. One we were doing a cvs preview. Show my pants. Were so proud. Roy williams their coach was on the show with us open. Show so. I just want to shout out to fox for You know believe in us and shutouts a you and i for making happened. I also wanna shout out. Our bosses are fine people very good people very attractive very hard working smart people and i can't say enough great things about them so to all the people that paycheck and giving me opportunities. You're the best. Thank god that you know you guys are laughing. I think with us or at us. It doesn't really matter as long as the lab only lasts for you to all the way to the bank as long as my checks cash as long as the bag is still. I don't care what he's though. I feel like I feel like i actually just watched season. Yeah i just. I feel like i just kind of what we were doing. We're thinking like case of emergency break glass and this is we'll just say this was the season before we go. I wanna shout out. jay shaw. Who's the guy that that is beloved on the show. Because i'm gonna have state graduate and your name is a guy whose name tate played either state is a guy that's gonna be loved on the show. He decided through your deal. Houston rockets state. What he's he's the pj tucker's but they're saying he's a six four power forward slash maybe center who the hell knows. Well no he bought out in the australian league. Rj hampton all league. He was out and he just signed a deal with the records three year deal. You believe shots eight four two hundred thirty pounds sean tate. Who plays power forward. I mean people have barclay also six hundred shown as one of my favorite buckeyes. He's he's just like an all around good dude fonda. Cheer for he's awesome. He's the best awesome. Awesome guy so three x three you champion the the the inaugural championship that we did that three x three tournament. He was the champion and he threw down one of the most Ducks i've seen live. And obviously we were so close to the corporate like he literally almost jefford the free throw line and just put smith said before folks you like hefty slightly too short but can jump out of the gym left handed power forwards. Who were number one in college. Yeah rake one gray. Jason tait zion williams was. There's the list there you go. That's the big three. They're all nasty is that. Is that all their shadows. Happy thanksgiving everybody have a. We're taking the wrestler. We go for the holiday. So this is it what we'll be back after the season starts. Congratulations folks we made it. We made it to season. I guess shout out to college basketball shadow to shadow to the listeners. We we made it through the dark. Summer is over we're fine. we positive. I've only we are going to see this thing. Through the finish line tate night will be in asheville. i'm I'm flying out on friday. I think Yeah and then. We're going to be an asheville all next week. So we're going to be boots on the ground reporting what's going on inside that bubble we're gonna bubble it up. He's going to be great. Get tested all the time. Yeah see what that looks like. Yeah college basketball is officially back. We're going to be all about it and we're going to be all in it. We're going to be a part of it. Which is the craziest part. Something that you and i have been talking about. It seemed like it was far from reality. And the fact that it's so close I feel phil phil's amazing so we can't wait. We appreciate all of the program joining us for the journey. And we're excited to the saddle up and go forward again because it's going to be a while season it's gonna be. It's gotta be the dumbest season of all time. Yes and that is perfect for us. Because that's what we do. Best is dumb stuff so yeah. Let's let's get stupid together and let's have. Let's get forget congratulations to the pretty bored. Of makers preseason national champion aright. That's the show. Happy thanksgiving we will see you back here next week. When we have real life college basketball takes about the games that we have witnessed and we are ready to fire them off on who's overrated. Whose underrated properly rated all oven got up so excited college. Basketball's bag go cowboys.

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CONFERENCE PREVIEW: The ACC has Virginia in the catbird seat, with Duke, North Carolina, Florida State and Louisville all giving chase (College Basketball 10/29)

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CONFERENCE PREVIEW: The ACC has Virginia in the catbird seat, with Duke, North Carolina, Florida State and Louisville all giving chase (College Basketball 10/29)

"Welcome back to the POD and I want to say thank you to everyone who's continued to make the podcast grow without your subscriptions downloads reviews it doesn't happen. So we are happy to provide you with near-daily podcasts between now and the start of the season. If you're loving seeing on your phone literally almost every day a new episode of eye on College Basketball Parish Meyer thrilled to be able to help you with that because you know what gets him more. Gigs for the season, right? You're getting more amped November's just around the corner we're getting closer and closer we're happy to do it when I ask you a quick favor though if you have not yet left a review in apple podcasts, leave us a question, a curiosity a funny comment will build up a good inventory I wanna be able to give the listener some love here coming soon. So be sure to try and do that and let me remind you. 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Welcome back to the CBS sports I on College Basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leaky Black Matt norlander is here with me today, we're going to begin a series of previews focusing on the top seven conferences in college basketball annually they are in some order, the the big twelve, the big ten, the pack twelve, the the big east, and the. So it's a power five plus the big east and the American Athletic Conference and I suppose we're GonNa Start With the Atlantic coast conference where Tony Bennett Virginia Cavaliers are the pick at CBS sports to win the regular season title. Ladder. Is it clear to you. That Virginia, it's the easy pick obvious. Pick to win the League or did you also consider duke or UNC or somebody else for the top spot? It's clear to me and it's clear to coaches in the League that I've spoken with over the past few weeks that Virginia should be regarded as declare cut favorite in the AC this season, and this is not a surprising events here given that you have. Sam. How who I think will be Virginia's Best Player. WHO's not gonNA play this season and the quality of the recruiting classes the past two seasons with Virginia. Within the League, it was expected that Virginia would be good lassie's now it was horrendous on offense but defensively, it was the team in college basketball but it would be a step back season last season, and then this season two, thousand, twenty, twenty, twenty was always GonNa to be the season where Virginia was expected to climb back in in like almost for Serbia top team nationally. So yes, to me Virginia is the best team in the conference I think we're on the same page, right? Yeah. They returned three starters from that team that was flawed offensively, and that's the nicest way to put it. They ranked number one in defensive officials eat number two, thirty, four in offensive efficiency but. Closed the cut short season on an eight game winning streak. So they returned three starters from a team that close with eight straight wins and that's eight straight wins in the ACC. It's that easy for anybody to do, and then they also enroll Sam houser. As you mention, probably on paper, their best player averaged fourteen point nine point seven point two rebounds two years ago at Marquette. Obviously the when you're talking about the temple at which Virginia plays like the individual like stats that show up. On a television screen when you're playing. Are GonNa be what you might get playing for team that that creates additional. Possessions or or just more possessions in the Cavaliers oil normally having a game but still you know Sam Houser is going to be an all America candidate. I would think and if he is then Virginia not only has a chance to win the ACC because the two thousand twenty Ncaa Tournament was canceled for you can be back to back national champions in three year span I. Think they'd actually back. To back, you gotTa have a little gap there. Not Twenty twenty so it's back. To back, national champions Yes they are. That if that were to happen that would just be. It'd be wild. You'd also have we mentioned this I think a month ago, but you'd the vehicles Villanova Virginia just occupying you know for the the five or six recent National Championships in college basketball, but they're in position to do it and they are in the driver's seat. What I'm intrigued to see with this roster is. This key Clark, the diminutive but certainly talented point guard. How big of a step does he take? I remember last year I was driving the J. Hufbauer us. That had some skating along the highway. No doubt about it. Will Jay huff be a top ten player in the ACC Casey Morsel I think is going to be a top three breakout guy in the league I actually part of the reason why I'm so high houser. I think more cell is going to become like just a really really good three and guy as long as his shot gets better I think that their offense is going to be much better. So I, don't want to harp on Virginia too much. We talked about a few other teams in the League but to me this is like it's Virginia and then there's a little bit of separation between every other team below them did you realize blue ribbon and I'm not criticizing here as much. Yes. Yes. As a second team. Oliveira. I don't know what's going on there like I know like I went back and I said hold up. Maybe I need to take another look at J. Huff and then I took another look at j. up and I was like now he's still basically what I. Thought he was. I. Mean. We're in the midst of literally as we record this podcast. As we always do. We will have our list of the top one, hundred one players in college basketball, and we're in the midst of building out this list right now I've got I've got huff on it, but I'm like he's like in the back end like I'm just going to default to what he wasn't last season that he will take a step forward and I just to me I think we'd be safe to not put them above eighty key Clark is going to be on that list before J., F. as he should. So that was I'm with you that was surprising and way higher than I would've anticipated Clark, of course, the person responsible for my favorite pass of the two thousand nine, hundred, NCWA tournament. No doubt about it I still love that play. I was there was something that happened that caused me to talk about it a few weeks ago member maybe even months ago and I just went back and watched it again to make sure I headed all exactly right in my head and it is amazing that in that moment he had the wherewithal to understand he didn't have to launch. A buzzer beater as much as he could make a pass and get a good shot and that was I mean without that incredible play by him like the shot. Great. But it was just a shot to shot that went in that. Play the key. Clark. Pass to the Akita. Was the play of the NCAA tournament and I think the thing that without an obviously Virginia is not a national champion bounce right there agreed in what what will always stick out to me about that particularly is that he was a freshman when he did it. So that's GonNa be lost like the plays GonNa live forever But for freshman in that moment to do that and and hit Deke today and then I. I. Honestly, you could write an available that entire sequence and I was fortunate to be literally in Louisville covering that in a moment. Is a top five college basketball like live experience of my life. There's no doubt about it. Okay beyond Virginia GP I. All right. At CBS Sports Dot. Com We posted our ACC preview. So here's the order of the top five. Virginia's one Duke is to Carolina's three floors states four and Louis Five. I think that's probably Right. I've got. I've got questions about Duke. Where do you have them in your top twenty, five and one? I definitely in the top ten, I can look exactly I want to say it's like eight but definitely in the top ten number eight. Okay. I. So I I still haven't finished my for sure finished order of the one, two, three, fifty, seven, I don't do can my top ten they're flirting anywhere between eleven and fourteen for me right now, which is just abnormal for Duke like Duke is annually practically You know a top ten of our top five team and I don't have that high this year I have talked to a few assistants in the ACC in the past ten days or so and they aren't all in on duke either. A, lot of questions about who's really going to be the Alpha there again, this is all relative they're not saying Duke. Isn't going to be really good. They're not saying dukes going to be sixteen in the conference. They're just saying how good is the ACC at the top going to be of do because really the second best team or will do even truly be the second best team like might you have Florida state be able to recover Carolina to surge right back to the number two spot there they've got a really good freshman in Jalen Johnson. On Mike media availability through zoom on on Wednesday October twenty eighth he said that Matthew her to put on like fifteen pounds and his in really good shape. I Expect Matthew her to be their best player. Wendo more I think can be a top five defender College basketball. There's a lot there, but I don't know I'm not seeing much star power and reliability with this nucleus the way that we have in recent seasons. So I'm just again I'm just a little bit of a seller on the blue devils at this point. But you seem to be just a tire, but we're in agreement like this is not. This is not the final four front running contender that we normally see from Duke Well I did A. Piece, on this last season, because no matter where you have duke, there is an anti do crowd that loves to tell you that Duke has always overrated. And it is the biggest myth in college basketball like the safest thing you can do is assume duke is going to be very good duke is. Basically, without exception. Always very good. It's just assuming they're going to be very good again, but I didn't. Think. It was interesting. Just yesterday. Mike Jesse was on. Zoom car. And he acknowledged that the roster is pretty balanced that he'll likely play more players than he normally does. And the way I interpreted that was. We don't have R. J. Berry's in Siam Williamson who was the first one and you remember him he was a Canadian first team. All American. Doesn't ring a bell anyway. So like it is true like. Duke. Is. Not, enrolling like four five star Freshman that are rolling. None of them are into the top ten. Duke doesn't have a top ten prospect. Adding added to this roster. I think it's important to have those sophomores when the more. Matthew hurt. And I'm with you I think her. If you're trying to identify somebody who can have a breakout season, he might be a good candidate for that but I don't think this is a roster at duke debt is talented to the extent that most duke rosters are typically talented with. Obvious top five top tin lottery picks. I still think it's very good but. Again I just keep it simple according to the recruiting rankings they are enrolling four or five star guys. But none of them are ranked in the top ten. The highest rated is what you've already mentioned Jalen Johnson. Yeah. I will have the same amount of intrigue around Duke in its first. Few weeks of the season the way I do with a lot of Kentucky teams given how much just the way that this roster is made up with the blue devils I think they could. We've Seen Kentucky Teams in the past wind up pretty damn good by March but you know we find ourselves on the second week December talking about Kentucky like we see some stuff here but it's bumpy like that doesn't usually happen with Duke to start a season. It might happen this year we'll wait and see. Carolina is third on our list I. Agree with that as a collective CBS sports, DOT COM but trivia time. Okay. Let me look now. Where do you think Carolina finish I don't look it up just guess right off the just two seconds what comes to my what do you think Carolina finished a compound last season. A, ninety two, eighty, four, not bad eighty four. They were fourteen and nineteen. They loophole Anthony who is responsible for so much usage on that team they bring back garrison brooks who's the highest returning score in the conference there and they've got some they've got really impressive bigs. So I think they're going to be better but are they really going to jump from fourteen two, nine, hundred, eighty, four for all to if your top three team in the ACC I mean last year the Third Best ACC team per Ken. Tom Was Florida state and they were the fifteenth team in America I don't know if that's going to happen that day that seems like a big jump not that can't hall of Famer Multiple National Championships Williams doing a great job there leakey black shouts we must. We must talk about leaky black hair obviously got. Leaky black. That cannot be that can you cannot overstate the impact? On the in college basketball in general, you say that like half tongue-in-cheek, but it's actually legitimate. So Carolina's GonNa Have Garrison Brooks leaky black labor. Day Ron Sharp. is tremendous. Walker Kessler they've got Armand. Obey caught. They have too many biggs and it'll be interesting to see how. And they always have really good but they have so many good bigs like. Talk to the UNC staff about two weeks ago and they said like you know I'll I'll tell you this. I probably wouldn't have considered day Ron Sharpe pro top one hundred and one but I'm told it's it's like he's the second best player on the team right now. So I if that's the case I, really like what Kessler can do bay cod is already established like The the back or play will definitely be the key, but they are. They are certainly fascinating intriguing upfront and clearly have the best. Front Court in the ACC, Roy is one big before with with really good bigs and how they are configured this year versus the other teams that are figuring to be top five is going to be fascinating to see if they can truly be the zagged everyone. Else's ZIG and lead to adopt refinish Garrison Brooks was our preseason ACC player of the year is that who you voted for? his who voted for? Yes, he was. I it was. Yes. I almost feel like saying how this is going to be the better player, but garrison brooks was was a natural pick. So in our rankings, it goes Virginia North Carolina like you pointed out after that it's Florida State Louisville but you had those in The Opposite Order Louisville Florida State I. I think you can argue either way, but you mentioned you talk to the North Carolina staffer. Recently, I talked to somebody at Florida state. Within the past week and they were openly wondering if they if this team. was going to be better than last season's team and last season's team of course, won the ACC, and so I take that for whatever it's worth but. In Tallahassee they think they've got a they think they've got a team that's going to finish. Fifth in the fourth or fifth in the ACC. What's interesting here is I know and Louisville's also. I think quietly really in on their roster I. think There's a line after Florida State and Louisville another tier if you will. When we get to the teams after that? I listen. I. Have Been Wrong about FSU LIKE I say it was good humor here but be tournament picks or general projections I have been off on Fsu more often than been correct. Efficacy was twenty, six and five when the ACC last season and lost Trent forest loss Patrick Williams lost Devin for cell I mean those are the teams four best players they're not that it doesn't still have talent but. That would be just a hell of a deal there. If Leonard Hamilton could make that happen to combine them with Louisville, real, quick I I actually think. It's I think that Louisville can be close to what Lewis last season it was ninth and Ken Palm. It went twenty, four seven it loses all five of its starters but. I just again legit because we're doing this in real time like just like David Johnson Samuel Williamson are are two names that are that in my opinion need to be on our top one, hundred one players and then they bring carly. Jones in from Radford who apparently might be their best player and You know it could be a twenty two point. Game Guy. is going to have a different look to them this season. The top of the ACC is totally fascinating I. Really do think it's Virginia and the other four we've mentioned. Almost, put them in any order. I can't quite see Louisville being top team in the league I can't get there but I think it could be super competitive and everyone below Virginia they're is GonNa make for an interesting race we had in our voting Miami coming in at six and then Syracuse at seven and it's interesting like. Last season I remember talking about this briefly and then you know pain. Democrats and everything's over. So whatever. But. Here's Syracuse. Again picked seventh in our preseason poll ACC poll. In terms of the panelists, some people had them as low as nine. I think you had eight I had him seven. So I'm more of a believer than most but. How many times do you think Syracuse has finished in the top five in the ACC in the past six seasons? Trivia Thanh. Say Zero Zero is the answer two, thousand fifteen eighth two, thousand, sixteen, Ninth, two, thousand, seventeen seventy, two, thousand, eighteen, tenth, two, thousand, nine, hundred, seventh last season six, zero, top. Top five finishes in the League Past Seasons there are twenty, eight and twenty, eight in the. Past. Three seasons they had a surprising final four in two, thousand sixteen and a surprising sweet sixteen in two thousand eighteen. So that Ma- ask some of this, but it is undeniable that. For, one reason or another you know that's one of the biggest brains in college basketball and it hasn't been operating like one of the biggest brains in college basketball lately, it hasn't I'm not. I'm not in on them overall relative to this this you know Joe Girardi, a name that Syracuse fans. No. Like he he he's GonNa like he's he has like He had a great reputation coming into Syracuse for like how Great High School player he was in the necessity put up in New York. He's GonNa make a big jump as a sophomore. I'm not on that Miami I am in the I think Miami returns more of its roster than any other team in the league and they are I don't know if they're the dark horse if you will. But I do think I don't even think it's that daring I but I went pretty high on them and Virginia Tech was the other one that I just went high on I like to again every single season there is a team or two in the power conferences that greatly over performs greatly underperforms expectation. So I like to throw a DART and. Try and hit that. Virginia Tech is that Dr They lose landers Nali to Memphis, who is going to play for the Tigers this season, and that's a big deal because of how productive he was. But as I understood it like he was productive but Virginia Tech and Mike Young are still pretty happy with the roster. They have this year and he he teaches a very fun. Offense is going to be the second year. So I know I'm higher I we had a big discrepancy. I'd bt at six and at that big you had nine that's not that bad. But they were the one that I took I took a particularly big chance on Virginia Tech All the way down at eleven What about Georgia tech at eight they have a really really good back court. Talking yesterday on text about coaches on the hot seat one we didn't mention I. Don't think he is passenger they should be good enough. I think he's done enough. There I think there was a little bit of buzz last season. They had the postseason ban with all of that but I do think that Georgia tech because of the strength of its back court. Will be the team that's like the preeminent bubble team in this conference there a lot of people don't realize how good they can be but if you want to talk about one squad that probably like you know nationally from the outside looking in not a ton of expectation, but you could look up at the end of the season say like. Holy Crap this team like they beat Duke, they beat Louisville and they beat Florida state like Georgia Tech could just be that team. You know not that they're gonNA finish in the top four, but they're going to be the spoiler if you will. In the. Last part of my notes that I assembled last night. One of the questions I ask is, what's the team that is most likely to surprise us in a good way and listed underneath there I typed towards Georgia. Tech. Yeah, they were. Eight, you eleventh, they return the top five scores for team to finish sixty, four that Kim pom. That's it's a good place to start and so there's not a lot of star power there. I don't. Know, how much attention they're going to get early. But yeah if we looked up in February and Georgia, tech was top three in the ACC that wouldn't be the most surprising thing. Yeah. Jose Eldorado Michael Devour, the names of their with the with the rambling just keep an eye on them just real quick like down the rest of the rest of the way here. Here's how I have the rest of the ACC playing on my end I've got Clemson I've got NC state nine this is a jumble NC state and Clemson ten, Tech Eleven Notre Dame twelve, thirteen and GP. Boston college wake clearly the bottom tier there, Jim? Christian. hotseat undeniably Steve. Forbes takes over at. Wake forest. Situation there the one team when I assembled this man do I really have to put thirteen like I? I was just when you do these there's gotta be a team for every spot and I wasn't comfortable with pit there. I think I could be wrong about that and the Notre Dame I think Mike Breen a total rebuilding here. So I gave I gave him a spot over pit just out of I guess default there but but none of those teams will be competing for the instability tournament your colleague David Cobb actually had Notre Dame finishing last in the ACC which. Is certainly possible but it's just a reminder of how may a toughly If you like this just hard league man. I mean when you are when you are in a league with Tony Bennett Duke Carolina Leonard Hamilton Louisville Jim Lehrer Naga Gympie Heim. I mean Mike Bray. Kevin. Keats there's some high level coach I mean. Really. Good coaches and down the league. Capable has done it at a high level at Oklahoma. The guy had a one seat in in the team that was written number one in the country and in the elite eight in. So there's some really accomplish guys in this league and it's it's hard. You know it's it's some of these jobs. It's almost like you just fighting like crazy to get to the middle and that's a that's a great job. Yeah. For sure I we neglected by the way jalen Johnson was pick for freshman year in the League and then two other dudes like just just give a shout to the guys who Amir Sims at Clemson really really good I. Think a top ten player. In the and then Xavier Johnson at Pitt just like he gets so overshadowed but he's an like if it is going to outperform where we just talked about it with them Xavier Johnson is going to go a long way toward that. So it is a, it is a stack league although I will say this I did include this in my preview is my last note for you. This was it is a stack league but how about this this was mind blowing to me if you eliminated the top three teams and granted, they need something but just for perspective on the rest of the league last season take out. Florida State, Duke, Louisville, and Virginia. And, she said it was GonNa make the tournament. The rest of the League was only six games over five, hundred, seventy, eight, one, seventy, two, last season. So it is a good league, but it was not as dominant as some people thought it would be I actually think it is going to be better this season than it was last season and people might have mistakenly thought it was like the best lear the second best league in America that was not the case shouts to down. South Carolina -tarian fatigue. Legend Chesler Nail. Thank you guys for listen. Once again to the college basketball podcast in the middle of the dumbest pandemic of my lifetime. If you enjoy the PODCAST, please tell somebody about it. If you subscribe dough subscribe an either way we're GonNa talk to you again really soon really soon, I mean tomorrow on. Friday. When we will preview the big team.

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Microwave Society and Tony Bennett Edition

Courtside with Seth Greenberg

52:40 min | 6 months ago

Microwave Society and Tony Bennett Edition

"At the buzzer saw. Sometimes they do courtside with greenberg and dockage. The definitive college basketball podcast. World's greatest podcasts. At seth greenberg dan dockage. Thanks for joining us to tony bennett coming on today. And when tony bennett comes on. We're gonna i think seth greenberg. I think we're gonna be talking to one of the hottest teams in the country's coach who is among the hottest if not the hottest in the country non baylor and gonzaga division. I don't know that anybody's playing better than tony bennett. Crew sep not sure there is. Here's the deal. Everyone talks about tony defense and talk about embrace the pace they talk about things they own the tempo and rhythm of the game. I think the most underrated part of what tony bennett to be able to do. Is i think he's a brilliant offensive coach because it's more than just move or blocker to me. He puts guys positions to to make plays in way. What is doing with his offense. Hathaway using raza pasha passer how he moves. Sam houser all over the floor The the way they pass the ball the way they space the floor with the way they Basically play basketball the right way. I mean it really. It sounds so simple. But he is so created about offensively The different actions. He runs into what i call read. Reactor move you know to me. It's just it's incredible. No talks about what he does offensively. That team won national championship. Well whoa whoa okay. They're having a nice year offense. I think we're good offensively for a forty point games. You gotta play the course of a year having a nice year. Here's where disagree. I think those games are so low scoring because it takes forever to get a shot against them. They have so few possessions and again game because not only do they suffocate. You defensively so it takes a long time to get a good shot but absolute offensively move you to get shot they want. No one plays better late in the clock than they do. I mean i just sat and watched kentucky late o'clock. it was a joke. it was a joke. I'll tell you one thing. Virginia late in the clock or they know exactly how they're going to score an h. Continue to do what they're doing. All right it's not like one guy's dribbling and his fifteen seconds left twelve seconds left or six seconds left and we're going right. What do we do now. So i mean to me. I think that he is a really creative offensive coach. I think he gets those guys to buy it. I think they developed players. We're gonna talk about that. Here's the thing you text me with all that. I agree with all that. But here's here's my next observation. Is there a player today. Greater impact on a team in college. Basketball then-chief cooper though because like here's the deal and i'm not a big numbers guy you know but i actually remember this. They score forty four points in the paint with him on the floor. they were scored like twenty-four without him. He basically gives guys layups. I mean he put so much pressure on the defense he sees plays early. He's kind of like many jock. Mirant the guy. Just he's changed the whole identity of this team so fast they played with purpose. He gets the bottle guys when they're open and all of a sudden offered was not allowed to play in turn because bruce broadside that they could go tournament this year. Which we've cooper wasn't playing. That might be reevaluated. I'm sure you might say you. Know we gotta give them a chance to review our case but And he would sell it to us and we would believe by the time he was done. You would believe it. yeah. I believe but a- i've never seen let me one guy means to a team Here's the deal cooper. I did his first game and his great like patti gotten stance. You know cooper made some bad decisions. And i said at the time. This is unbelievable. What this is. I did think that the kid would fall off. After the first game i experience has been a guy comes in and plays great first game and then he falls all well he had fallen off. He's been absolutely fantastic and to auburn media and fans you guys are showing yourselves to be idiots because frankly is doing everything i said except that i did think he would fall off a bit. But what are you gonna do. An media. people particularly fan cited people have just been complete dumb From auburn to me and they'll continue to be so. And i love it but that dude. It always goes back to you. Of course yes. That dude is one thousand percent dynamic. That dude gets easy shots. And don't think for a sec that bruce pearl opted out knowing or thinking that this kid was going to be that good like. It's one thing to be that good in practice. Boss bruce pearl. If i'm him i gotta rethink it. I what did you just say. We're dnc a running basically brusco. You know we overreacted. You know we. We don't wanna step on toes. We ever stay in their responsibility. Maybe if you look at the case and then we'll we'll we'll react to that. But you know right now i think we overstep their boundaries. You know you know the decision we made. It's not responsible to make that decision. It's the nc double a.'s. Responsibility and i apologize to the nc. Double i feel terrible that we decided to take it out of their hands and and self imposed restrictions autism and you know and more thought about it the more. I realized that that was the wrong thing to do. And because it was. I think to do. I basically retract everything we said and you know we are excited. Look forward to me to double a. Tournament and hopefully the nc double a. Resolve our issues sometime this summer. You miss two things. There's gotta be an element of the kids in there. I'm not sure. God should be in there or not but it never hurts the throw the talk knowing bruce two kids and god and you know what else will happen there will be a few tears because what big about my man and i love him to bet he can he can he can trap here. Jewish guys we cry easy. What can i say. I mean like the drop of the hat. My man we. He'll he'll get all well up. Me he'll be crying and you know what it's w say almighty bruce's crying put him in tournament. It's good tv. They tournament team not yet but they could play themselves into one oklahoma. I mean i mean to me. They're they're they're scorned. they get easy baskets. They play hard a flanagan. Thor because of cooper have gotten more scoring opportu every guy there teams averaging more points now than they were before get craze. These tremendous. I mean he he he might be. I guess john wall but win. Have we seen him. I even we always forget guys right. You always say this guy is the best since nineteen sixty two or whatever. But i'll tell you this you might say why would isaiah was a freshman sophomore. Isaiah thomas got a stance and guarded people but as a freshman isaiah thomas in college. The good isaiah. Thomas used to go to the basket late in that. I mean he he is. He is fun to watch. I do wanna get job. Yeah i have kind passes. Yeah better better better comparison. I always tend to to to put the greats ties. Ahah when they're little. Because i think as as the best little guard but fair enough a said i gotta ask you about about a couple of teams here. Memphis memphis is one a few in a road here. Yeah and you know what. I'm doing their game on thursday there bit of a mess still different times offensively but you get them in transition. That's pretty good team. The other team we talked about was virginia. But also want to talk about where you at with. Eleanor this past week on game day. I love him or leave him. I didn't mean leave him out of the answer by tournament. I meant leave them in terms of i thought coming into the season with i assume coming back illinois over coming back. We tread frazier coming back. I thought they people are talking. Lead a final four. Big ten champions so i said in this moment in time. I've got leave him. I gotta leave him because if they're going to be that team then they've got a win. The games that are the tough games. They've got to win the games that are possession games. They get a win games against the best teams in league now. The one thing i say is i mentioned those three upperclassmen and but there are sorta lineup to freshman and if you look at their numbers in losses and watch the games lost then gordon anyone losses given up eighty one points a game and they are planning to freshman in those two freshman maintaining a defensive intensity maintaining a focus digesting scattered report to the level. You have to mac conference. Which is the best coach. Best scouted most competitive the most mature conference college basketball. Wherever you don't play well you're going to get right. Michigan doesn't play well. Minnesota beats of minnesota doesn't play well maryland beat symmetric. So i'm i'm i'm disappointed. I mean they're an incident by turkey team in once they get. Who knows what's going to happen. But i mean you can't give up eighty one points in losses. You've got to be a little bit tougher than they need more consistency. Adam miller kabila about memphis memphis. I think is a really good defensive team. I think they're really played hard They they they compete. They can protect the rim. They can rebound it got good lance. I'm still not there. Because i you know they play looks beena. Smu's a good way and tim jackovich's a good coach and has done a good job. Why i've got to see them. Play annually unselfishly. I've got to see them continually Take good shots and not turn over the basketball. If i could see that for a couple more weeks than you know what i love. I love the energy. They play with and and i think they are. They have potential to be a really elite team. You know we're getting into the point where you know wins. You know the tournaments coming in you know. We will annoyed certainly in the tournament. But you know north carolina's starting to play they've been left for dead. I'm incredibly carolina right. Now you've said that. Why perk landcare a couple of reasons. One kerr walton can make shot and because he just because he's on the cord yet to get yesterday made to threes just because he's on the court and you know he can make a shot you have to honor him and you're spacing is predicated by your billeted. Make sense if you can't make shots. Do you can stand out too early. What all right makes no difference. Noah's garden your rear end out there anyway. So therefore you spacing stinks so if you wanna play by basketball High low basketball. You wanna punch it into the paint. You know what. You're not a good space. If you don't have shotmaker so i think walton's number one. I think anthony harris even though he was minutes on a restriction. It seems He makes the right play. He made simple place. He makes the game easier for our today. She makes it easier for gamers. Easier for caleb love. Who's playing better. They're getting more in transition. They're playing a little faster. Garrison brooks seems to be playing better. They're making the offense feel peop- them a little bit more By turning people over. So i'm high carolina carolina's getting better and i think they're playing with confidence. Let me throw another team at you. That i'm a little bit fascinated by. Because i think lon kruger's a great basketball unbelievable they just went into texas last night at one. The kid reeves. Austin reads the transfer from wichita state makes great shot. They held off a comeback. Tell you what. There's a couple of teams in that league. Florida being one while florida's in the sec. Skews me. but i'll give you two teams florida the sec and oklahoma of the big twelve south. I think i'm percolating on those two like that win last night. Them to ten in florida oklahoma. Getting better and better and better be. They're pretty good week. Be kentucky and texas in the week or at least the last seven days. What do you think about those florida and oklahoma. I really like oklahoma. And i've been on him for. I think backwards good. I think harmonised hard is really good. I think gibson can really shoot it. I think the base block shots and run the floor. Rebound and lon kruger is most underrated. Now he's the most underappreciated. Because when you think about the best coaches in college basketball he does it with everyday. He's done it everywhere he's been. He's or non basketball schools in light of ways. He just he gets guys to play. He gets guys to defend. He gets guys to share the ball. He gets guys to respect each other. He's not no excuse guy. He's even keeled every single. So i got oklahoma beaten alabama. They play alabama in the sec. Doing the game. I i got oklahoma beaten alabama. I think that. I think i think they'll guards. Would you agree with this like it. My experience as a coach like going to lunch with coach night was hard like it was hard being around me. Every day was hard. I guarantee you assistance. Being around your ass. Every day was hard virus crap. What i always picked up the tab. Let me easier. I always pain. Yeah that made it easier there. I swear to god seth. I've done games. Alon kruger with in. I think the bahamas or somewhere. He just easy like everybody in that program is comfortable. They do it the same way that mere. You're coach night. Will yell and scream to get it done. They he just makes the whole leroy barnes to me. Would you agree with barnes a bucket. You pump faked a fire firearms through barnes. You now i mean the baris get more more more more religious barnes e these days he he repents me as he self-reflection more by barnes can run hot cocoa kruger's amazing. I play golf tournament. Vegas couple times amazing with people. Every single practices open always like after practice kids from the community on court shooting with his players. I mean like when. I was in my practice for open for the guys. You'll guys that lived in town. They'd come and watch practice tonight. Sit around on bs with him. They were great but it wasn't open for just anyone and everyone who was just like the old guys commodity boys you know i mean they were cool at times but coach every single practices and then after practice like literally the people in the stands. They just come out and shoot hoops players. amidst wages. i mean fraternities sororities makes difference. They just he. He's an amazing communicator. He's so consistent everything he does So i i agree with that. I think it's a lot like that. Just sit and talk to mike. Reid is even guy. Green and mike wide is a guy that you know. It's funny. you know billy donovan. Had great success ability also left. Florida mean his last year. They were not good and mike white was expected to win in the manner in which billy did when he had when he had a role and you know what he's done a good job but but he he's a guy again under appreciated consistent is approach. Very good defensive coach. He's got a team that's more his personality now. Now obviously they went through tragic situation with kathy johnson. But i think florida's get better who thought the cast to get. I mean like. He couldn't get game at michigan and like they want they. They won that game without are they beat tennessee without it. But i'm not sure beat ten. You know like. I look at tennessee explore. They just can't say they play hard. They're unselfish. They're well coached i. Those dudes can't score just can't score today. Get sixty two celebration. I thought i thought that that window. Without three guys scottie. Lewis and casselton. Johnson was the best one ear like i just did then inset. They backed it up on saturday. You know they backed it up at georgia which you know. I'm not saying tom's teams. great times. Going to coach him up gray I wanna to ask you because this is one of my favorites away. One thing before you jump you talk about texas tax is playing without jerk. Simpson courtney remy and having a chance to win. Those types of kids flaming l. Yeah i i want shock that it just keep it going because i'm tired of hearing that chocolate can't do. This can't do that as your guy each keep him and it'll all work out a set one of my favorite stories. You know all of our colleagues want everybody to transfer and open the borders and everybody. Everybody in college basketball wants it. I particularly don't but also say be careful what you wish. Sports one of my life's models. I love the fact that drake is fourteen in. Oh and the kid liam robbins is having a great year a really good year over at minnesota. But i love. I don't like. I love the fact that drake is planning as well when they had a guy. And you can say whatever you want but a guy that say screw drake. I'm going to the big ten. I think it's a good story. A good start. How about coming out. Seventeen coming off a covid and when the kid pen was unbelievable. I'm hempel and i'll tell you. We had cochina on rap show on sunday. He loves his team like he loves his about having. Not he doesn't seem 'cause winning. I mean he loves his team. I mean you could tell. He just enjoys being around him. He enjoys what how how they treat each other. He enjoys Being on the journey to great matters they'd all been coach. Mcdermott i mean. Those are two really good. Mentors to really good coaches to create offensive coaches. It's got an identity. They play fast. They play freed up. They but they play. Unselfishly differ guys step up different nights played bunch of guys. Drake not drake Is is there good. I i matrix. state missouri. state was having a good season and and it came back on the road. Even though they're no fans big time big time winning. I agree with you. Like good for the robins good for drink. That's around looking right. We got tony in about four minutes. I wanna i wanna do two days way. I think duke's get a little bit better. Think johnson matthew hurt the game. They found two guys can play through. That's that kentucky doesn't have the play through the end of the game which is a positive thing. The whole coach k. Thing with the media we go. I understand how you know that people lost their minds. I actually don't understand how people lost their minds. Because here's my deal. It's real simple an uncommon world. You're on zoom phone call Near asked a question. I actually think down deep he he was not lecturing the gators who's trying to put things in context but i mean i just think accused the deal. You just lost a game. I don't know why this became a big story to me. It's it's no big thing and then people say you'll always making eight million dollars. I don't care if he's making eight dollars or eight million dollars if think that's wrong then it's wrong no matter how much money's making let's number what so. He's people throwing that up as a joke art. The second thing is he was asked a question he probably should have just said you know eh a look the film wanting to figure out where moving ahead but i his tone wasn't bad i just. It boggles me that we've made this big deal out of it. It's it's sticking clay you say something negative media member they lose and i don't wanna hear it's a kid report. I wasn't a kid when i went to indiana. None of my teammates were kids. I mean you know. Little reporter guy may be. But i wasn't and the whole thing that i must respect and i think you do too. I think we respect college. Kids college athletes college adults. Whatever the hell you wanna call him. I think we respect more than other people do like. There's such a lack of respect when you think that some college writer can't handle what coach k. Set you just don't have any respect for college. Students kids athletes. Whatever you wanna call you. Just don't what he said was absolutely fine. The whining moaning is simply because we listen to a silent. Excuse me we listen to a vocal minority of whiny ask media people of whiny as people on social media and i was incredibly disappointed. That coach k. Apologized at coach bennett. Haute last night. You guys. you probably won't use the word us we're key clark four points but he carved up syracuse zone. Your team is scoring it man. Anybody says virginia done scored. They haven't been paying attention to what's been the biggest difference this year. You guys getting the ball in the bucket gum. You know we'd one without defense. We had a terrific job. Front court defensively in this year I don't know for able yet to win with their defense. Go back to the year that we want it. We were really good on the perimeter scoring with tied jerome. Kyle guy and deondraye hunter in in this year. We're getting a little more shooting and scoring from our five j hof four sam houser. Three trae murphy. So we're almost the opposite so we can stretch it and then guys like he clark honestly claim well. You can use his penetration in the other night against syracuse. He was really good than when he got. The ball made decision so our little inverted in terms of our our shooting in the floor comes from our bigger guys are forwards more than the guards which is kind of unconventional. But i think that's helped and you know how that goes as a single as we've learned the hard way and gotten humbled against the gonzagas san francisco's and we're slowly getting better but You know. I like what we've done up to this point but don't take anything for granted you you've had some success in mover blocker in and run guys off those screens and playoff the flair on the weak side. And now all of a sudden you're inverting lap. But i said this the other day and i don't want to embarrass you but i'm not sure people understand how creative you are offensively. What you're doing wall street in you've done your your your your other move blocker stuff when you look at your team this summer and it was obviously an uncommon summer. I mean this of drastic changes in terms of the actions that you guys are running spacing. You're playing off of had you know. Obviously sam in you're at different different skill sets but as you started to implement that. How long does it take for for guy that's spent you played a certain way to change and get comfortable with it. I think you guys shooting guys are all coaches. You know you look at your personnel and say what gives us the chance and sometimes it's by trial and error and you try some things and he's not working as you get a feel in the game you have to make some decisions and as i just mentioned you know our strength our scoring comes in you know some different spots so we're trying to just put your better players in spots where they get more touches more opportunities to school or make plays and so the things we're doing You know sometimes as said by trial and error we've done some things in the past like it but I think a guy like sam houser. Who's in his senior year. Basketball is so smart you so well prepared and well coached in highschool from players. Dad's from stevens point. Wisconsin at marquette. And so you get a guy who was really unnec up player and he can figure stuff out. He was really good against his own to move. The ball was in and out of it. So it helps in our system for awhile. He's seen things key has so you know it's just adjustments on the fly and i think they just driving in like this. It fits you see fifty nine up to this point. It's work but as you go on some defensive. Switch some pressure more. Some sags you gotta have little variations and As right now we got some guys that are comfortable. No spots will keep using it with some variations. As i said. Hey what else coach. I mean and this goes back to tie jerome. Kyle guy knows guy you guys are shooting it in like a house or may be the smartest dude in america from the neck up that new drilling three. Let's not too bad. Yeah not say shooting covers over. A multi tenant takes. And it's like i haven't sewn asking about our defense i said are on ball. Defense has gotten better. It's not perfect but on both defense covers over a lot of moult soon. Mistakes on defense shop lockers. Yes they do but job blockers. Are there usually. When someone's in the pain in their ognyan can give up off. Its reminding are on ball. Defense is improved. But yeah when you're making some outside shots is just. How do you get him. Can you get them. The rhythm looks and in that can come and go but it does feel good. When some balls are going to you have to do that against syracuse. Or you're screwed. Coach knows that you've been in that situation many times as of i. It's the once team in the league. I couldn't be oh really. Yeah while we always played him in. Syracuse jim behind off all the years between the big east and the acc over nine year period. He never came to blacksburg. Who have kind of blacksburg he came before i got there and he basically came to when we got into the league. Basically told you know league office. I'm not looking at you like greensboro. Was it kind of the same thing. I was greensboro. Was nowhere for me. It's just the way it was. It was unbelievable. I mean we we. We had a hard time and we lost him in a garden wants to. It's not gonna stop tony. There's going to be three other sentences after this. We lost him in the guard. Oh no we had a beat. When i tell you what if gordon had made a shot we hold on. It's coming. are you done now. So i can ask told me i'm don. I appreciate that everything you do. Tony's is family based faith-based you know on your killers. How difficult is it to do the things you wanna do in this environment with your team to help them grow across the board meeting the colbert or just need a tight. Just because the kobe and restrictions and the protocols and Everything that that you guys are going through this uncommon season. How much have you had to adjust. Basically the things that you've always done with your teams maybe not suggest on court off the court team-building preparation Because such an uncommon year probably going better. 'cause they're seeing less than join and you get the coach out of the way these guys away it's I think it all starts with how you recruit you gotta make decisions when you put a team together. Not that is what. My father's influenced my career. So many ways and i'll never forget that piece of advice when i told them i'm gonna try to take the jobs we can do. Virginia he said son. Just don't take a shortcut in character. He might be able to find more town and quick fix it but he said in the long run. Don't don't shortchange character so when you recruit guys and we use the same that you can go through adversity with that. You can lose with first before you win. It's never perfect. But that covers its account announce prevention can be worth a pound of cure. You can handle things when you're going through dips and valleys in the ultimate is you mentioned. Tie kyle other players when we you know. Were humiliated in front of the national basketball world in losing a one seed which happened. How they responded. And when you have guys. I think that are the same. Hauser's key clark's j. They're they're about the right stuff. As most young men are that makes a huge difference in unconventional times. And so long. I think that you know is key. And just fortunate. I mean i. Great staff and coaches get too much credit. I always say when it goes well and you guys we not get too much probably blaming. It doesn't go well. It's just the reality of our business distort a hold it loosely. But but the the people you bring in matters staff and players. Oh i disagreed and i know you're kidding but with all hey they probably like it better not being around you. Kids would like it better. Not being around mir sad. But you know. I had a long conversation with kyle guy the summer after you guys want a championship and it what it was in person which is really different than on the phone right because you can read people what they're saying what their is look like and i've never seen a player have more reverence for coach than he had for you and not as a coach but as a man And your faith all the stuff that that you stand for. I never really seen that so given that you end up having a special relationship with that group right. 'cause with you long time are you ever. Do you recruit ever really seriously delved in the taking a player. That's gonna be there for one year or taken a player. that's you know. I know everybody wants a one and done. Everybody would take zion williamson but given what you do with relationships. I hate that. I'm asking this long question do you do you ever go into that realm in your mind with your with your staff not. It's a fair question. The question i think we've had to wyndhams three in duns Different guys. I think coach bray is says get old stale. That's kind of venice. Flashy i watched my dad. Do it at wisconsin. I was with coach trying. Wisconsin the success we've had has been maturity sometimes red shirt and guys getting them to their upper class years nowadays man that's harder and harder and if these rules pass one time transfer all these things. Your challenges are there. It can happen for two or three years. I would consider it if it made sense but there's a ripple effect when you do that with the players you bring in someone and then that guy who was that software and you have to count the cost with everything and then it's not as easy to be a one and done. I mean there are some but let's be real and i'm not saying this disrespectfully. I was a backup point guard in the nba. And maybe the game's changed but it is. It's hard to go and be ready. And i know the nba. They look at talbot. You get one crack at bed and you wanna be right. Maybe it's one that's that's that's tricky so there's so few those guys that can just go legitimately. Do i think you have to think a little different. Is it two years or three years. But if it's a great one in done and it made sense. Maybe but i i. Would you know we have been able to get those guys haven't really recruited much tried to recruit. Career came in the league coach greenberg. He was not interested in virginia. It was and then You know. I got klay thompson but all the guys i got were almost either. Out of the top one hundred or they. They're guys like joe harris andre. They just they're just malcolm just evolved and they've got good. I'd rather try to find those guys 'cause unfortunately in our society those guys who are great coming out unless they're so strong the stuff that's coming in and the stuff they have to deal with is not it's not right for a sixteen or a fourteen year old eight year old mind a handle that a adulation too much too much. Can i file upset with western. Because i'm always want. I've never asked the guy this but again i'm a thousand years old but in in my recruitment and then my my recruiting kids. After that i would say look. Here's how you're going to play. You know as a freshman. Yeah we got this senior. But you're going to learn and work and then he's gone. How how do you handle it. I don't think you really do it. But how do you handle okay. I i was recruited that way where my sophomore year. I'm gonna play whatever what all of a sudden you bring in somebody from wherever you've done that with houser how how does that. How do you have to talk to guys. That are maybe in line behind. You know i think again you never. I whatever you say you under promise over deliver. But i don't think you start getting in and you bring a and you'll get what you earn. I've got examples of guys from their first year came in and played. I bad guys example but a weighted and almost transferred if every player's real even the guys kyle guy maybe he's accepted but joe hairstyles aright your freshman year. How many times do you think translate all crying. Mistake coaches on me. Whatever or this isn't right place. It's reality they're going to think that way. And so i think israel is you can be on the front end saying there is opportunity but i can't promise you know i think like you said look. Here's the thing in your software. We're going to need your first year. If you're ready to play some guys. It just makes sense. But i think he got to be sold real because i would hate met next year. Or you don't blame and then looking at you like you told me this. So got mistakes guys. Don't like me. Certain things i get all that. But they can't ever say you said this and you lied to me about it and i maybe make mistakes and i'll apologize. Do make a lot but that part of it is. That's a hard line. You gotta be careful the most his. You wanna coach respect that they do and they wanna play. But there's a reality there. So again i i get more questions than answers and you guys have been through. But that's a tough tricky thing and more and more in today's microwave society right at this the ripple effect you're talking about it's the ripple effect you know e take a kid you gotta deal with this kid. That's that's that's a with things going to be interesting if that sounds awesome. Told me there's some perhaps it might not i. i don't follow all that it might be lay. It might be delayed. But i mean the problem is these elite kids. He's one unquote As they think that it's a right of passage to get to the nba and they don't understand just like you go from high school to college. College basketball looks pretty easy on tv. Once you get there it's a lot harder and then from college to the nba. They always have someone has static. That's going to tell them what they suffocate can tell them what they want to hear. You talk about get old stale or last four or five years of teams. That are standing at the end. Aren't reliant on really wanted the players they're lying on teams that have maturity shared experiences and things of that nature and like one. I guess tying into dance question like if you have one one don in your pro in your program. Wouldn't you worry that that person would have a different agenda than the good of the group. Is that make any sense. Yeah no i think reality is. We're all self senator all thinking about ourselves. You're dealing with that all the time and i remember one of my early years one of my assistants that i wanna honest questions honest answer. How many you think you're playing in the nba. I think you know ten of the thirteen guys raise. Your hand is whenever ginny but house like frigging. Give me you know like and so i. I heard that was a poll of division. Two guys so everyone has their agendas and their dreams. And i don't want guys that want to be in there but i don't know i i think I is long as it's you know about. They wanna win. But you have to acknowledge. We're gonna go after this guys wanna have appropriate. If you're good enough in it make sense. Just make a sound decision. Trust what the the right people are saying. Here's your says there are few guys that are good enough to go and play But you just you can get up and spit out if you're not ready for that and so again sound decision but yeah i mean you're always battling those things and it gets into their character piece if if people are i wanna be a one and done. Here's the then you know that you talk about that so But i think everybody's thinking. How can i a lot of guys. How can i balance and get to that that next job. That next the nba veal. And let me let me by the way. You're looking more and more like your dad every day. I'm not but i know how much your dad watches. Your teams play is involved in just emotionally as your team. But what's the best advice your data gave you what he's watching less and less. He's unfortunately he gets all worked up the best advice the best thing i observed. I told you what he said about. Don't take a shortcut character but this is it and maybe mentioned it if you times before when i played for him he was influenced by coach night. A lot in any yells. Who wasn't i mean. The mind that he had and being around it and how my dad coach nat played for him and then i coached with him at washington state one year. It was -sconsin beria fiery italian. I mean my dad he. He was the volcano. He'd be calm in bowl. It happened and he could snap on ways that it was you know there. But i watch him and he went at guys her but whenever he crossed the line whether it was that moment the next day in front of the team he come up seventy say. Forgive me i made a mistake. I was wrong. I can't control my anger. He'd saved them. Please forgive me. We need you. I screw up you know. Let's let's get down for me. It was a vicious cycle. That was every every day he goes. I screwed up. Knock at my door on me like mom. He's i'm transferring. I'm outta but But the reality that when you watch a coach respect those game a leader. Say i was wrong for. Give me a made. a mistake. didn't mean it's my problem. I'm going to keep pushing you. That was huge for me. Said because i you know sometimes we think we always have to be right because you don't want your players know i don't know the answer or i'm a little out of control or a lot out of control at times. All who coke which. Coaching our messes with yet. And that was that to me was the best example is partly due to his fate for sure but but the understanding of that so i point to that first and foremost. It's your dad called me. Your dad called me one time. I can't remember why that just become the head coach at bowling green and we were just talking to me something right. He goes egos dan. He goes in coaching. There's a lot of external things. Tv show shoe contract ball contract. I don't even think about any of that. just win. just get really good guys and win. Basketball games have a great culture or not even know if he said culture culture kind of a word. Now you know. And and i never forgot that like that's because i think so. Many guys like what the benefit of being a coach external. Not not. Fight the intern. And i also think this coach. And i want you to come in on this but i i watch for a while last night with duke and thought to myself you know what these guys are. Kids in a uniform playing duke. They're not like they're not diving. You had such success there but the kids that are doing it now. Other than what clark. Maybe didn't win a championship is it. Is it hard for them. You know all the answer. Larry things about being in virginia great national champ. Great coach while la. But they didn't do it. You know what i mean. Is it hard to get them to play. Virginia but to be virginia players. That's not always a daily. That's that's daily. What's your about Recruit but you have to constantly remind and it gets harder when you know when you're winning okay. It's good and then go through the stuff. Then you really find out. What are we here but it is. Because you're in people they're always coming to now habits they are they but they have so many good things. The redone locker room weight room. And all that. But can you still have just an at hunger and the humility like this is what it is and that always ends chance but again you pour into that and you work at it but that's daily. That's how you work. How the intensity is and sometimes it takes hold. Sometimes it doesn't but you know. Dan just started. Go along with us. My dad i said you know. These pillars are program. They're five humility passion. Unity servant hood thankfulness. He said when you're really struggling you got lean on those you know. They imagine how you think he said but when it's going well nothing changes. You still remain humble. You still are passionate as you're still unified still serve each other and you're thankful for what you learn like it just an you know all that stuff keeps turning over and i think about that in a simple like that's the stuff that matters all the other stuff doesn't matter what you get into your kids and how you work is there and deal with that so I've been thankful because he's giving me. He has a simple simple mindset towards in. You'll goes on basketball. Bet that's helped me in hard times when you get beat allowed or do you have bad losses. I think that shaves. You more than simmons. The winning this is great stuff. We really appreciate. We really appreciate your all diamonds it. It's fun watching your success. It's fun watching your teams play And and play together on both sides and salad. Larry brown played a right way against gonzaga. You win but here's the deal you looked at it you learn from it you move on from in you didn't react. I didn't the hardest thing to do as a coach. I i say this. All the time i mean. I thought that regard that had great last year they struggled early on. They wonder last eight games. They won the big ten. Hardest thing to do as a coach is when you're not playing well to get your team. Get back to get your team trusting to get your team believing and figuring out. That's the fun that's the thing. I miss distant. Were or what do we have here. And how can. I figure out a way to put these guys in position to play to their strengths. Offensively defensively and and that's what you've done you've seen your team grow which is so much fun you know if you line will tell you. What's different this year. I don't know if we're still recording. If we are you cut. It went out the atmosphere. You know where you guys have coached and going in a different animal. You know although some get a few thousand but it is a way different atmosphere. I'm sure i don't know if you're covering games in person or in your at home or wherever in the student is different real different. So how about your sister like six feet away. Like how do you communicate. I have you. Have you lost a player. Get ready to put some like behind told me. He lost a player a game. Ready to put a guy. Couldn't find it probably for the horgos. No you're you're yeah and you don't have time to get your mass. You can't hear it. It's real your your bench. Energy is really become important in how excitable they are. You watch football team. Nearly almost half the we joked around him your best. Chance your claps. From your age you days your high schools you know or guys doing their the takeover clap. Here let me okay. That might be good. We might need that good. Thank you coach. Thanks a lot. Thanks so much to see us all right. That's awesome stuff. Said greenberg and i love watching his team talking to him. he's fantastic. do you really is he just. I mean he's competent. Is is incredible as bad as we know it was a fierce fierce fierce competitor. I was in church the year. They won the championship at minnesota. And i happen to be sitting next to his uncle and eight. I go you here you know. Throw in an extra one for for tony. in virginia. He goes off dan. It's it was ten o'clock mass. He goes. i'll be here again at eleven thirty. I'll be here again at five. You gotta cover all bases and coaching. Seth gotta cover the scouting you got cover of meals and you've got to cover church you eight quick church story we're planning. Chris came in member chris. Cayman were big. Chris came in yet. Big play league. Yeah we're playing him. In the mac tournament in in cleveland and i go for a morning walk. And he's best big. I ever coached against including like weber in those guys just in whatever so guy comes up to me and asking for money so i'm like a big game. I took a twenty out not making mac salary. You know what i mean. I'm not making set greenberg. Utah said greenberg salary. So i handed him a twenty twenty dollar bill. He's like thanks. We lost that game by exactly twenty points. S lost exactly twenty. So i'm glad i didn't give him forty bucks. It would have been worse. Should give them a single but anyway sometimes you gotta go to god baby sometimes. Don't these brother uncle. Did i say his on his uncle. I i saw him on at saint four. I said loaded graduated everything and he. He was dooming gloom. He told me everything that could go wrong with their thisiis. Shit before the game. Yeah a senator in the church after. He's like dan. These little skinny guy's play for tony. I mean how are they going to compete kyle. One hundred and fifty pounds drome is like one of these guys that sits on the end of auburn's bench and you know it was it was it was all that kind of style was literally walk right. You stopped because i sat with him. I went after. I got whacked at every. I'd go to virginia institute to watch practice two years at a row. He was there visiting tony and so little. I got the exact same thing i mean. It was like i was ready to go. What are they. Play you nbc. I mean it's ridiculous but and we really appreciate it up on and being with us tonight. That lasting i i am higher on on duke. I think i think they're fixed affects but at least at the end of the game. They have goto. Dj steward is star. Show that you know with confidence. He's gonna make some shots. I thought the kid might want mikey. Williams was pretty good for mark williams. I should say in that same vein before we leave. I love jose. Alvarado man for georgia tech. I love that guy i he. He and cooper Shreve cooper the two most fun guys. I've seen play basketball this year. Nancy double a. Jose alvarado is going to be playing in some league somewhere when he's sixty eight years old making passes doing i love bacteria love. I was disappointed. George tech support georgia tech. Be to just recall when they were loose with the ball and kentucky throw sock like last five minutes of the game. They're joke the competitive spirit they can't they don't compete defensively. They're garp late horrific. It's horrific zoe describe it's horrific. It's it's hard to watch. It's hard to watch him. I thought defensively that defensively. They did some things they didn't over help. Sorry state home I'm not as high in alabama's everyone else i may. It's great. it's funding guide and making threes. Life is good. If you don't over help make them shoes. If you take care of the basketball so you can say defense. Like i think oklahoma beach. I did the oklahoma auburn game. I was not shocked after the game when everybody started the next couple of weeks. Talking about alabama's defense. Because i saw no defense in that game until the petty kid had real heart. Toughness got stance. Just you know. Basically up sherie cooper last minute but i'm with you let let's see how this plays out there. They're probably win the league. Which i look we all take a ring but i'm not i'm not as high either but i will say this about kentucky. I think they're getting better. But so what right. You're kentucky. You gotta win. Games i mean. Let's be honest. Seth hundred at this time of year for kentucky should be getting good enough to win the national championship. Not good enough to win a conference road game. that's just what kentucky is under john. king arthur. Thanks to everybody for listening. Thanks to a taylor. This is world's greatest. podcasts rate. Us if you don't mind giving us a five because we deserve it and don't be afraid to let us know what you think at dan. Dockage is my twitter at seth on hoops is s. Yeah and you know what if you if you rip us. That's all right. You know what we're big boys we might. We might block you might not. We might say something back at you. Don't go to the principal's office. Don't turn us in a minute. Life goes on. I mean if you're an eighteen nineteen twenty year old. I'm going to treat you just like you're an adult there. You go there you go. Thanks everybody our work is done. Thank you for listening to courtside with greenberg dockage. You can listen and subscribe to all. Espn podcast in the listen tab of the espn app including the latest from the nba in the hoop collective podcast available in the espn app. Or apple podcast.

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ACC Preview, Roy Williams, SEC Preview, Eric Musselman

"At the buzzer saw. Sometimes they courtside with greenberg and dockage. The definitive college basketball podcast star. We got asked a question on the world's greatest august any repercussions from last week's phone jacket None zero senior overreacting. It's a perfect example. Your reaction no. I didn't overreact. I just set out of apology before we you know. Got it out ahead of it and to this point no no repercussions couple high. At the way we went. So you're right great frank but if that's the worst thing that happens to me i think i'll be a school that route. Now you're right right. Frank all right so we do to anybody but great. Break away a week from today. Depending on when people are listening to this that we're gonna play college basketball. I say that to you. You say time good. I hope i got caught. Something at south i say i hope because you know this doesn't look like it's going in the right direction at least in terms of tests but it feels like we are going to have college basketball. What do you say. I think we. Well we played college football. Every single week of last week's now we've had delays we keep on saints protocol plans and patients at. We're going to acne patient. We're going to have games. That are cancer. We're gonna be at games in tip. And maybe they don't take maybe an official gets the virus. But but i think we're going to start eight season. It's gonna be a season like any other it not unlike any other. But we're gonna we're gonna work through the roadblocks into detours look. We've got a little bit of positive news. We've got to vaccines on the way they're not going to solve college basketball but can solve a lot of other ills down the road. We just gotta we gotta deal with the idea of moving. The start of the season back to march to me makes no sense the earlier the better so that you have more leeway of learned anything from the pack twelve is that by starting later. They put themselves in a very small window so let. Let's talk about starting later. You know. I think we just saw the nc a. Yesterday when they came out and said we're gonna have the final four. We're going to try to put it in. Try to put it in my city. Indianapolis in a bubble type situation with games. Indy does mean in the indian. Means you know. Probably i you playing down airplane up at west lafayette. I don't know but but the idea that they're going to the ncwa feels like there's going to be a march madness. There's point to be everybody can say well they're greedy everybody's greedier but you got to conduct business you got. You gotta have business going. I mean we've seen so many businesses closed. We've seen the mental health aspects of businesses club business clothing. So you know. I i saw. I know some kid on some team. Yeah of course. The double edged can have the tournament. It's all about money. Well a lot of things are about money. I'll tell you the kid on a team says that it's all about giving you an opportunity to me like the biggest medical help. You shut down the season till march these kids that have been on campus since july that it actually been working towards something all of a sudden. You're gonna shut them. Bound sending them back into the communities where they don't have the same medical care they don't have the same testing. Let me tell you so. It's a mental emotional at chrysler. I'm living it every day with with a stepdaughter. That is dying to go back to harbored dying to play their season. Kinda lost without it. Now you could just and you do and and you make the most of it. But look we're reason i say You said college basketball. Starting and i said i hope i'm going to south dakota all right. We're going to tournament there. I hope because you know teams have been dropping out of different things. We saw loyola chicago. Just do that. we got some teams on pause So you know we're gonna season. I great we're good to have a tournament. I hope and i hope we started when we say we're going to start it. I do as it setting it as the moving it back. Look everybody's got to suggest and everybody's got an idea. Rick pitino idea was that good for him but I think a lot of people are are wanting to start it now. I think it's frankly going to start now all right. So we're going to have roy williams on on the podcast in the second. Acc basketball let's talk. Acc you think about abc back. In the day you would think do can carolina now. You've gotta take. Virginia florida state duke and carolina. So as you look at the league. Let's look at those four. Who excited about you know. I had a chance Last year to do a couple of virginia games and virginia had all the names gone right. You know jerome gone hundred gone gone but i really like a couple of guys i like jay hof like jay huck to me is in my as i look around the country and i think big guys. Luca garza trace jackson davis. I'm curious what a j. hub do during this summer. Because if he got bigger and stronger he has every skill that you want. Woolen tendency on tennessee made up. Shot the beat north carolina in north carolina. That tells me something about him. He's our new names coming up at virginia. I know we work with taylor. And we got previews and virginia's the preseason favorite. That's fine but i i'm anxious to see. Is this a next level. Virginia team with a bunch of new guys North carolina garrison brooks is the guy seth swear to god. This is so different college basketball. You'll know this but fans of college basketball can't name another guy on north carolina. Because they're going gonna be so. Reliant on newcomers can name another guy platek when that's not michael jordan. You know so it that's different. You mentioned florida state The cell bought but still a. They're gonna play the same when i was through this last night. If fascinated me how these teams have caught up the north carolina and duke. At least for this year duke lost another three guys right they lose it other three bring in another group of freshmen but aside zion it. It's not and in louisville one of the best players in the country. I think this year. I mentioned j. a. mentioned david jobs. I love a i. David is a killer lay. He's going to be the next guy that makes shots late. But i'm anxious to see. I think virginia's the class of this league. It's i'll hit. On louisville. I therefore leading scores and fiber less sex malinche williams goes down. They have not front court right now. David johnson's gonna be terrific. I descended whoops. It's gonna be terrific as a sophomore. Carla jones transfer rapid. I just don't know how they rebound the basketball they lose the toughness in sutton they lose out seat tremendous tremendous scoring ability navarra and then they lose williams they lost enoch last year. That's a concert. you talk about virginia. Here's on virginia. I agree with other genetic. Huff is terrific. Sam houser comes in from our cat. He's gonna give great versatility in the frontcourt. Had you replace keith day. Braxton in their experience. That's a concern. Second concern is last. Year is as good as they weren't they record. They turned it over. Twenty hunger possessions. Crazy for for low possession team They're passing decision making now. They struggled shooting it until they went eleven to last twelve shutler thirty percent or less in her last twelve so they shouted a little bit. Better world tents. I was a big part of adam. He shot the ball really really well. I like them. I'm interested to see the hauser effect and have it replaced the key. 'cause i thought he was under appreciated. Duke matthew hart came in with the big d akita. You go back to the shot. He made it two years ago to beat purdue and the day. I mean dickey. But i'll say this. I thought braxton key say underachiever. I thought he came in with more height I thought the akita in fact in one of the games that i did Bennett took him out because he was salt and it was interesting watching that team last year without the leadership of the three guys as mentioned jerome and hunter a guy. They did start out bad. People were questioned. But what i liked about them. And and here's an interesting thing for coaches. do you think. Eleven of twelve last year. We've been through a pandemic loud times. Momentum from the previous season carries over. Do you think given what everybody has been through this summer. This last Last spring now. This do the anything carries over other than you know. Hope you have a season. I think carries over guys attorney. I think it carries over when you have a calm leadership perspective which tony better opposite. Braves tremendous amount of like. I look florida state. I mean i. I look at them. Yeah they look they're gonna lose to live potentially two lottery picks in which is amazing. Patrick williams their sixth man and sell got a jay walker back. Jay walkers got to be better this year. I'm this is it. This year that he takes over skype to barnes the freshman at six nine zero point four but also returned six dudes that played double double figure minutes that you talk about. People really don't know polite they don't know these other guys that played the wilkes they don't know these guys that played quality minutes. That helped them win. That understand. we're going to defend. We're going to disrupt we're going to block shots You know we're gonna we're gonna. We're going to rebound the hell out of the bony outfits that i've in florida state of florida state. They are who they are. they're like. I look at florida state. In ways i look in north carolina. Corker line had a horrendous season. Leicester they turn the ball over. It could shoot the ball with north carolina still around the break and they still rebounded so far state. That's who they are. Duke i think is the big question mark because you've got matthew hurt. How good can he be. I think jordan goldwasser actress of big x factor. That came when when he kind of reboots always has one senior like the queen. Cook factor. That kind of leads. The team. And i know that got jimmy roach an artist. Am jail johnson and steward. Who can make shots. I'm worried about him up front mastered it played through the post they were good offensive rebounding team. I don't know if they're going to be that team. So i think that's the big four. Let me ask you the second group. To state georgia tech miami lable in any of those teams excite you. No i think louisville maybe. I've already touched on them. No they really. Don't death. When i when i look at the. Acc top to bottom. I i don't see a great leap. I see see on the top. You mentioned the teams that we're talking about but georgia tech. You know okay likes it. This is supposed to be the year this is supposed. ever during an attack a syracuse. Is you know i watched syracuse making unbelievable run Virginia but i just don't chef when i look out there i do this i think a syracuse. I think of all the players. They've had right the all the pro you know. I don't see one like i. I don't see one i you know. I don't even see tyler lie. Anybody bay terrific. Anybody bay shoot. You want him on any team that you have you want buddy. Am on your team but south. I i don't see notre dame notre dame loses mooney you know every the ball but he was. He scorned rebounded. You know pflueger is gone after one hundred years What's pittsburgh doing pittsburgh's picked thirteenth. There isn't anybody there. I don't see a very good league set. In fact i'll tell you this it's possible even at the top. This may be the worst. The ac's ben in in our lifetime. Now if you look let's be honest you're talking about a different era basketball fine but is there in this league. One guy that you say. Mass top ten draft top twenty draft. Scott barnes going to be a lottery an scott about that more that about a garrison brooks will be at the end. I wrote crowd. Probably who knows what's going to happen with you. Know callum blob than those guys. We've seen teams in this league played against i know on failure so when you try talking to you know when you look top to bottom set. I don't know you tell me a thing that second tier i think that's the state has a chance. And they got funderburk back. Which i think he has a chance to give them inside scoring. I can't think back the kids i've talked for about. How good league is. I think they had they had. They have a legitimate chance. You know dj funderburk. I've devon gales. Call manny bates. They got four guys at a pretty damn good. Think georgia tech has a chance. What did well. I think take in the until by a longtime i mean. Here's by georgia tech and the sexy pit. I mean because they got jose alvarado nagata. Michael depot did that moses wright who had an incredible credible season last one most improved players. I've ever seen they shot horrifically from the three point line and then the other team that turn the ball over now. Have you have to terrific guards in michael dirocco. Who's alber you. Catera mbare office. You gotta be able to score really good defense and a chance my aunt. He's gonna be terrific back in lost one kid to to the al. Like chris likes is is really good. Cameron gusty is a very very good experienced guard. Negative timberlake o of freshmen. From the math of the tough physical six cards. There are other good teams. I'll tell you my sock team. No team that. I don't i don't you're gonna disagree. I don't see louisville being godly tournament team this year. I just don't steam. I don't have no frontcourt lose mcwilliams. Have no frontcourt. I love johnson. I think he's a really good player and You know Jones says is bradford still. It's it's still different. I think seventy williamson has potential. But i don't see louisville right now because of the andrew with me williams. Yes but without him. I don't think they're aa tournament a tournament team. Maybe everybody's in a tournament address not happening. I know you were going. Indiana and indiana. He's got plenty of places. I think so i think syracuse they might not have pros. How good is griffin. Not good enough to say that. He's a guy he's not one thing about jim. Boeheim look. i'll always tell you this jimmy. Heim went to the championship game j. b. reef schneider as his senate way back. In the day i went recruited. J. be reached night if you told me. Jd reef snyder would be the center on a national championship finalist. I would say so. I'm a big believer in james dana college basketball. A hope he gets better as he's battling covert but he wasn't. He wasn't a factor. He was the guy. Can i give you a bold prediction. Yeah nothing better to bowl tradition. Said if you hold predict shooter. Bold prediction i oughtta give you a big fat bald predictions size eight head prediction fray kwan gray or loved my man first team all. Acc possible player of the year bat is the draymond green. Yes of the acc as can't give you my throwing the of course that much money is spent on coaches in the acc her team. What do you think it's average. Two million per coach in the bottom is at least two million over to k. In those guys at the top and you know the catos case making eight million. That's what i'm saying and you got other. I'd say i'd say it's over. Three million three million dollars per coach basketball country basketball league up thrown a socket. The coaches on the bottom half of the acc board dow money out there and recruit. That league is no good after about four. I liked the guys. I'm a fan of lot of them. South an update on a sock. Eddie money's done sidelines. Yeoman's money's insider no i. I never made that. I was coaching. I can't really did. You got more money in books in behind you that i got in my entire house in terms of mortgage so i don't wanna hear it out throwing a sock the acc. It look virginia great duke north carolina. I don't know florida state going to be great other than that. I'm throwing a sock. Seth i'm gonna save an. Nf was seventy by. Because as you know. And i know when. I was a bowling green though we screwed up of teams so cars. Somebody makes a phone call a. k. Makes a phone causes a man. You know we would make a phone call for me like you and like you. Nobody like you. I've got it like you exactly hit mutually i. I think the other thing is in and it has changed the basketball's with the pandemic with transfer being eligible immediately with kids. Want to play a higher level. I am. I say we're gonna see the quote unquote mid major programs of most become extinct magistrate. In one time transfer if you have an opportunity to play at a higher level you're gonna see dies so you know what i i blame the acc. I had a great year at this level was a great experience bill. I'm moving on. And i had the thing is it's a one. Time traveler accepts those coaches that. Take these guys at the higher level. This is really important. You better do your homework because you take a good freshman year from the big sound and then he's not what you thought he. Was you stuck with him for three. We're going to talk to roy. Williams and roy williams just did that roy williams off. He'll be totally honest on this. But i'm not so sure. He's all shot in the backside with taking grad transfer izzy and have a great experience with something else. Since we're talking about roy. Handle man i i. I was stunned last year. Set through a sock at the media. That i mean well roy said was this is maybe my least skilled team. And all these little goofs on tobacco road and everywhere. Crush roy williams. He's disrespecting players now. He's just being honest about his team and last year. Roy got crushed for that. I mean what you can't say nothing about players. Everybody's great everybody's fantastic. Oh my god. I got the greatest team ever. Even though we're one and twenty these kids are oh jeez. Oh media loses a. Can you believe roy. Williams said that. Yeah i can't. Because i have to watch their team. Well you shouldn't he. He didn't say anything to them. Here's my whole thing when you talk about the players when you talk to you team you tell your guys. I'm not whatever i said. You can say the media like it's truth serum man like to me. It's real simple. I called straight talk. We're gonna sit down and it might be. We're not counting the cut. So we gotta do this this this friday and so like as long as to me. Your guys understanding. Here's the deal what i said to you. I can say that. That's just the way it is and that you know you know teams are good and bought it when they start to sound like their coaches in a post game press conference and but i where everything gets turned around and i'm not gonna get into it but even a gregg marshall stuff context is important. Context is important in everything. Context is important when you're talking about a game in student. It's a wrap what happened when it happened. Why it happened in relation to the gate. Context is important so people don't understand you what is being said in its context. Is you know what we used to having for lottery picks. Were you stabbing three. I read your epson this team right now. We don't have it but we're going to continue to coach him. Continue to play hard. We try to put them in positions to be successful. And that's really kind of what roy said in all of those interviews except people take what they want to take out of the conversation isolated and then create a story. That's my opinion i agree. I agree with that. And frankly Roy williams and nothing wrong last year roy williams if he says it again in my opinion roy williams says earned the right. But when you look at a team. The one thing that i've always said about a team is the word by the buy in is with each other and that's hard and basketball because it's such a statistic driven sport buying is with the coaching staff. And i'm not just talking about the head coach. Buy in his with assistant coaches. You know one of the things that. I always thought you had to do as a coach is you had to prove every day that you were prepared that you are enthusiastic and that you were ready to help somebody get better. And you couldn't take a day off and sometimes when you do that as a coach. Most coaches feel that way. I think sometimes when you do that is a coach. Your expectations are that as a player and there are very few players that i can almost name calbert. Cheney one one or more kid at bowling green was too and there weren't a whole lot where i said you know what. I don't think that guy ever tamed the practice and didn't give everything. He had coaches. Give everything they have every day and sometimes when you do that you're so locked into what it is that you're doing that. Say you slip up with the media. Just talk straight with the media and next thing you know it becomes a problem but to me i would bet my life you know and i don't know very many players that played for coach williams but i would bet my life in talking to him they would say oh man a mentor one day. He didn't bring you know whether it was practice schedule. Preparation whether it was intensity whether it was enthusiasm whether it was teaching. Sometimes it's anger. Sometimes you're mad at your team but and when you're in that bubble man sometimes you just don't say the exact right thing because your level of thinking is different than some little blogger boy sitting there with a pen and paper. He don't understand what the hell you say. He doesn't understand a damn thing. That would have been great opening rant. I'm just saying i would have been. They're not as good as the other oprah grants but that that that was top five top five just know that not all right so a player of the year are now. I'm gonna go with garrison brooks. I think my rookie marks my sleeper team of the year. I'm going with. Nc state At my bold prediction is i think that Eight teams will get me into tournament. Look i i'm with you. I'm with you on probably teams because frankly put someone in the tournament. Made him put me day. They had to. They never put me in there for four straight years. It always goes back to me. I think coach williams is on. Is that correct. Hello let's correct what i do. I knew what he said that you are on. Because i knew at my computer. It said nine o'clock. And i said coaches coaches calling eight fifty nine. Not nine o'clock doubt about it. Hey coach coach that we're doing good. Hey coach when when suck was coaching in the acc. Here your yourself you know. I was a bully. Grates on new york. Going to screw the little guy to get teams in the tournament. What why wouldn't you in k. The most powerful men in basketball all's clandestinely to the tournament committee like on that sunday afternoon. When why didn't you get set in. Why did you guys screw. Seth greenberg four straight years. I the acc was not in your little grew. Let me ask you question. Do you know seth asser you. Why would you not shift him question answered. Do you know that four hundred answer done dragon. Fear not a good sense. Yeah if feeling good right now. I'd like to have another ten more ten practices before we get started with that crapping happening. So you gotta go coach when you when you see like coach. Payoff rebound with the virus. What was the person that went through your mind. It has a chance to get everybody them and we just initially. We did such a poor job of getting this thing in getting us in a better position to handle listening and now it is just running spreading like wildfire. And you know. I wear a mask the entire time during practice entire time. You know it was on meeting coaches. Were complaining about thinking about wearing a master of the game. I'm gonna wear masks. I wear a mask when i go see my grandchildren because i'm scared to death coach. Well let's talk about that. How difficult or not difficult is to communicate wearing a mask. It's a little difficult to no. I've got a big mouth. But i can yell a lot. So he's got to elevate you just to get a terrible bit more. But i think the positives of it or so much better than the negative and you know i would say no more than gosh most times. Not all into practice. I'll pull it out just a little bit finished something to pull it back up above my nose but i really do. I keep it on the entire time and I think it's it's it's looting with difficult but hey you know i can remember when i was a high school coach. I said coach said stay seated. You know you couldn't get up. That was difficult coats. This crap work house nothing. Compared to that coach last season odyssey was an aberration. For what you guys go through. But i just want what did you learn. Not the rest of us. By the way. I was going to say van especially by. What did you learn about. Just your yourself your team. That could maybe last year. Yo you look back american something that that's helping with this year's team third row you got freshman point guard proud you know. I think the first thing that comes to mind is that why. Why did it happen. And yes we had most games. Scholarship players that ever lost north carolina with injuries. Like forty eight. We lost ninety eight. Yes that's a problem. But roy williams do as good a job either and yes players. Didn't do as good a drop up trying to do what we ask them to do. So i if you look back and say why did it happen. It was once simple thing that you can change. Colour anthony was helping for nine games. He played more than that. He was only truly help for nine games the whole year but it wasn't just that it was those other things as well. So what and i can feel. I can control. Roy williams doing a better job and i can control demanding that my team do a better job than we did. And yes i brought it up a great deal. 'cause there's four guys leaky black andrew platek garrison brooks no mondo because they were involved in that and so they cannot do the same things this year that they did last year. And so that's the that's number. One number two is that we are more demanding and everything we do. Whether it's on the court off the court and we're asking them to get more and it's different times right now. I mean my gosh. We have a couple of our guys that come down to the smith center in the morning like ten o'clock for class classes online. We've said that this huge room for them to do their online classes and we make down every day so we have some guys that get their nine o'clock in the morning and don't leave until seven o'clock at night and so. I think we're getting a little more that devotion and focus this year than last year to coach. When you say you did do a good job how do you define that. I would say two things. One is that i would every gay. Wait till eleven o'clock to see who's going to be available for practices so then you try to change things. But i think i got away from my core values not only on the corporate owned off the court as well but you gotta guard somebody and you gotta stop them from getting second shots and you got to take care of the basketball and make these play the game. The game is not that hard. You get the ball and i get the more you get the ball. Get the ball. The only way to break that down and get more rebounds and not allowed you to have this offensive rebounds and quality of my shot compared to the quality of your shot and then the third we gotta get shot. And i think we kept trying to stand time trying to cover things up that we got away from those three things at always talk about rebound equality siding getting shot. And i think we got away from that and try to come up with all this trick booth. They didn't work all right. I mean and you know people discount injury. People always say. I'll tell you point blank. I lost my career de injury. I lost my two best players seven of my ten years. My three best five of my ten years ahead coach. So i don't you know and i remember early talking to my son. Y'all played ohio state and he's like dan. Baker kid is really good now he gets injured. Talk about your front line. If you don't mind with brooks and bak- last that's always you know. Third gig. guy was six six justin pierce in so because sterling manley who played a great deal for us as a freshman and got hurt. Don't play too little. Alexia played six eleven in long. And i mean he at three. I had three double figure scoring games. One double double game. So we went down to justin pierces. Our third guys six six so they tried tried. Mondo against oregon. Look like a first round draft scores and against wofford these two for fourteen so he's focused as a freshman was just getting shot up there instead of folks. No make a dadgum thing. Garrison made tremendous strides will. Now there's thinking about Thinking second teams always was just did a really nice job for san was their defensive player of the year for a team this year. We've those two guys in are mondo is made traumatic strides. I mean he's really come a long way since last year year since been steady but we also have walker kessler at seven feet and and A day ron sharpe like sixteen and they are gifted and so those guys give something every day in practice to make our mondo gifts and say hey if you wanna stay in front of me you better bring you a game. Every day at practiced walker kesslers. The first player ever coached seventy without shoes and he has long arms in day run sharp. He really does. He sees shot and he thinks every shot. It's passing it to him so he goes and gets the sucker i i say you've got. You've got the deepest front court college basketball walter with us at that evita solve eric. Not only is he. Skilled players are said. Vote with long arms. He just wants to please which to me was young. I mean he. He's he's impressive. But contract to your teams. I mean we played eight years well certainly played with near kansas. The first thing. I said you know get back. We got to contain the break. We got to keep the ball. Front outnumber the basketball that our defense third point guard in three years. How good is caleb love. And how is he picked up pace. Because i'm i've been your practices since i've been out like it dunes and running down here from all roy. Well i won't say pay to be better. And i think all four those liquors of understood now that they have to. You know we're dealing with kobe. White says from point guard leaves though the nba co at the first point guard leaves go the nba Coke you felt great because we had a great and he's not on the mont dressed in the fall and in the spring or summer whenever you want to call six player take it and so he came a long way. Egypt did a great job with coal. And who has mississippi all year. But he's highly sought of he'd struggled because of injuries. but when he was healthy the game and it's notre dame game at syracuse. Those who give games as i've ever had a point guard play freshman. Sophomore junior senior But but he's done now as well and so what caleb and arjun. They're spending most of the time at the point and both of those kids are going to be really really good toys. And we had a scrimmage yesterday though the first ones without to officials attari united states. they test is much. we ought. don't be tested. So we brought those guys and they didn't call anymore files. My sister coaches they kayla. Rj really do use. Two guys can play that one and we have the security blanket of it keep black. Who could play back there k. Jada could play backgammon. We we started kid last year. Jeremiah francis who had it here at one point when we played against virginia virginia was the first basketball game. It played in a thousand days because he missed his entire junior and senior high school with injuries and missed the first part of our year. He hadn't started and played basketball game at thousand days. Two games later we started because coal was out so these guys are knuckle would now subject myself in head. That means we've got to get lucky. Jobs guys helped me. Yeah tell you. What man people's again say whatever you want but health is important coach. You mentioned testing. Can you walk people through what. What testing at north carolina meeting the frequency That kind of think river know we continue changing every week. We do board or we're up to three times right now and i think we're going to get even more often. I can't say it properly. We're getting cheer ducks on. If it gives away its that's close to what it is but we can put a chip in and there's a practice. It gives us a readout of how many players in how long they really had close contact with day. Run short and so. We're trying to do that. Help us in the contact tracing if something does come out but i think that we're going to get close to their test every single day. I mean a as noble as moving return went to indianapolis do it all at one site. You think they don't need being have. Nc men's basketball tournament this year the nc double a. Is nothing like what we've known in. Pass they gotta have that money. We can't even conduct the other sports teams here on our campus. We can't do it. Duck national championships. Them so We're going to do everything we can. We're spending a ton of money in. We're losing but if we don't have basketball don't have that incident basketball tournaments college. Sports is we for the last. Several meaning years is going to change dramatically. So you know when you're talking about bringing all those jobs indianapolis and play there. You don't have travel. you don't have to go flying on airplanes who always abdul long global and. This is some serious joke that we're talking about twenty schedule. I mean i. I mean and it is it done. I mean i got a bunch of guys and they said it's the hardest thing they've ever done. I mean we are a week away from the start. And i talked to guys yesterday said i think we got a schedule. I'm not sure we have a schedule. Like how hard is that been like. I know you've always liked to play certain number in state schools just to help them with their budgets. You you've taken your team on the road to help you open up. Arenas how different is that. Been it really diff- in it's been not been as difficult for us We had to cancel four games. That were really wanted to play. Some of those you're talking about. I was gonna take my teeth. The monmouth goes to king rice. Because for teen years. I was taking the team up there to help out team and and i do like to go play on the way on the road. Schools little schools makes no difference. Just because i think college basketball is a and fraternity. We should each other out but we lost those games now sitting here. Okay if we didn't have the maui invitation which is fricking the hash for north carolina now And everybody thinks that. I got it up there. I did not make one phone call. Had nothing to do with it at all when they told day votes as for. I thought he was kidding me. I thought he was tried find. I had no idea what the crap is talking about. But since we're dad what we had to do. Is we get rid of some games. It may have been better for if we didn't have that we could had some of those other games to give our team's different experiences. But you know we got twenty eight games. We'll play in ohio state in cbs classic. We're going about this. Were picked fourth or fifth. I lead we weren't even close to be in. Acc big ten. 'cause we faced last la st give last look last year in the league because sitting on our butts to play our at Would be out what you would have had to say. Skill case but giggling for other people is much more difficult than it was us. we just had. I had to call king rice and say kink. We just can't dot com and start started comfortable phone call and we do nc wilmington. We were bringing it up here to help their so. There were some things that made it difficult. But i talked to coach last week. That still trying to get to gain. S- crazy it's absolutely crazy. So why did you guys step up. Are you take off the twenty. Fifth knicks winston. I college of charleston We played them on wednesday. And who leaves saturday to go to ask for to give in a little bubble before the tournament there and nashville. We opened up. Unlv hopefully all eight teams texas to stanford to alabama. Hopefully everybody won't have any problems getting their coats. What are your thoughts know. The ncw talked about moving to indianapolis. What are your thoughts on that. I don't really care you know. It's i've always said i'd rather go play in warmer weather. But hey i realized last year what it was like again without being in that tournament and people say well we didn't have williams knows deep down. We were not going and so my goal. This year is just play well enough to see if we can get into soccer and you know i don't care be to me i go. What indiana high school tournament and Worst highschool trump around the country leanna high school terminal thought was sensational. And maybe it's 'cause. I wasn't coaching unit but for us. These times is never been in you guys who was be. You're not eating as old as i am but this has been the most difficult time in our country. ever we've had a political s and white house. We had the pandemic with that racial inequality. We've had this trust in asia and our country than i've ever seen and i was in vietnam war protests going on this dissatisfaction with that but that was nothing like what we have right now so i think if we can pull this off and have an nc double h on whether it's all indianapolis not let's have a big celebration of it and i'm hopeful that we can have that celebration that we were getting done coach. You mentioned latin. Less when you mentioned the social inequality in the racial inequality. how'd you address that with your team. you know. Has that been something that you know. You get the guys back on campus. They've been away probably came back sometime in july. Everything was going on in our society. It's right in front of you. How were those conversations and and have those conversations continued to try to move that conversation forward to to give everyone a better understanding of of situations ski. We did a lot of things Even before came back with them poet in our team every sunday night with the parents and world in back and we knew what was going on. They knew what was going on so we try to address it straightforward. I mean we talked to him about it. Felt bad him. Well my thoughts about it. And i would say to them or is your thoughts and we made every team member. Say something about what was going on. We ate every team member. Say something about what they wanted us to do. You know when we talked about those things consistently me. I was fortunate enough. I was here in chapel hill studio sixties late sixties when howard lee with mayor he was the first african american mayor of a major southern city in history and brought him into to the team about what it was like that time We would always talk and we broke. We brought her guys. Got everybody register. Vote we took him in advance to get everybody to vote her entire team. Vote just talking about those things but here from their viewpoint. I mean the three of us could talk for eight hundred years. Never take a breath but every now and then we got to let the kids talk as well and that was my focus trying to get them to kill me what they were thinking in what they wanted to do and i told him by out of your generation. It's i'm. I'm why not ask america when we talk about those issues. Tell me what you're thinking. And then with steve. Robinson sean may kindle you davis working with us. We weird different generation. They go all the way down to hit kindle plateful in two thousand twelve so we've got different generations around and talk about those things. It's good stuff coach. I really appreciate you taking the time and you know stay healthy. It's most important up your family as well want as while and You know it's going to be different season. I say three please. Ps Protocol and patience in. We've got to sport where we're gonna we're gonna play a game and hopefully you know we notice going to be some roadblocks detours but Which should best season and we really do appreciate you and and by the way up. Dockage doesn't understand. You were actually. What migrate supporters in the league. As opposed to some other people that were you know didn't want sound. Hokey is in chicago tournament but dot com coach dockage inches of bitter man. He's a he's he's a measure as a guy but you won't recognize him because he shaved his head and he looks more like me now than he's ever looked were. He told me one day he wanted to look like you sweat. It doesn't surprise until you go ahead then coach. I wanted to look like a human penis. So i wanted to look for into the tank. One guy told me one time role. You've got more patience to anybody i've ever known. And i looked at him. And i said you really believe that he should. Yeah because god gave everybody single of patience. You've never your stays at it right there but the other thing does you know. I love both joy. Both of you. And i'm an easy easy podcast. Got for both of you. Beat your entire breakfast goes yes five second question. Five million man. That's we love you coach. Thanks for the time for a was on the phone. He's terrific. And and you know he. I didn't i guess i should have realized i thought they were getting better at the end but then they lost some finished last. I mean my gosh. What if you what's making kane. I always wanted to feel like tiger woods. I've been attend to you. Know i will say this about roy williams and i you know i didn't do as a head coach between assistant head coaches in my opinion. He's the best i ever went up against. He beat him in indiana. We could not be an. I never coached against mr ed code but we just we beat them one time but we just i just thought his teams in a tough and you mentioned the point guard you know. He took guys that ahmet he had a kid named jordan. Last name join one of his first. Donald jordan. was i honest jordan. He's a california kid. Who cleveland high school jock von. And you know what you played point guard for him. You better run. You better run fast and you better make good decisions. But now that's terrific. Good stuff all right. I'll tell you what we're gonna have. We're gonna have great eric. Muscling come join us shortly. The talk the razorbacks year to he's like a man scientist quite honestly He has the ability to pick. Is all these different. Transfers freshman and putting together shake him up and create a cosa team. I a lot of it has to do with the cbs mba background. I she's dad was a terrific coach and he's got the greatest collection of of of masks because every single day he posts on twitter wearing some other team. Whether it's an nfl team whether it's a being whether who knows with a different logo talking and uses that to his twitter account does a great job giving coaching messages. But when you think sec basketball this year these square. What you think seth. I'm always going to say kentucky. But i think tennessee's got going on you know one of the great moves and and i'm sure rick barnes did not know this when he left texas You're always disappointed. Your egos hurt when you when you're not when you don't leave of your own volition. But what a great thing for rick barnes to be able to move to texas john Tennessee set in. And i think that when you when you look across the sec. Don volkersen kherson that crew at tennessee. i'm never gonna pick anybody over kentucky. Lot of publications have tennessee over kentucky. I'm never going to pick him over. Kentucky and i also say this. I'm not a shot in the backside with olivier star or sar as everybody else's now. I know john cale makes his teams really good and i know players get really a shot in the backside with that guy. I'm just not. i'm not sure. I even going to mention lsu because frankly they don't deserve to be throwing a socket lsu throw side. I'll give you throw socrates say that why let the let the people know. I've thrown a sock because look they've got a good team. I mean trying to obsolete physical rebounding player that that's going to have a great sophomore year. A smart who got a stronger offer and he's obviously still. There came back as guarded. Could defend you've got Obviously days of cameron Thomas gators freshman. Who's really really good player. So i mean they have good. I just had this thing has got. It's been three years. It's been three years. There's gotta be some closure. I am one way or another has got to be closed. So i mean. What's the sense of doing this investigation in doing all this research and having to everything happened And then the institute do not have a key to make a statement if nothing else you know what you're going to continue to get paid. Fill the system. This is over but at this point you're suspended to me it. Just it's a it's a bad luck. Bad luck i look at the league. I think tennessee is going to be really i. I agree with you absolutely got beat kentucky. You know to take them over but east bonds fokker said decided james. Got a terrific recruiting class The johnson kid is a big physical athletic guard. to defend. we know about kentucky. I think florida ends up bounceback year. I think that sky lewis a year older understands what it takes to be successful could is going to be one of the best players. I think the kid painted could block shots. I think my quite is a terrific effect. You know even though they lost them heart. I the appleby kid is is going to be really good for trash. Cleveland state big physical guard score and make plays who's going to buy in can really shoot it. Man kid will be better as a sophomore. I just think. I just think that they've got a powerful. Were transfer Louisiana quit mike us to coach. That is going to be really good. I think florida is my sleeper team in this league. I think lord is a team that can get to the second weekend. I think florida's a team that can actually compete honestly in kentucky at the top of the league. Well scottie lewis stray man. They've got to play. And and kinda like sky. Lewis was a guy thing a lot of people project as a one and done. I'm i'm glad he didn't go. I mean i'm glad that he took swing. Here's what i my sleeper teams offered now to glow. I'm gonna tell you was everyone. That's why they're sleeper number one favourite lou. When's the last time. The last time. Bruce pearl teen totally underachieve. When's the last time. Bruce pearl team didn't overachieved what i mean. I look at all these teams in the medal. And i say you know what kentucky tennessee in theory Those that that school starts with an l. that shall not be named But who's really like. You know i to me bruce. Pearl way he goes about his business they simply always win and they always overachieved. If you don't tell me. And i still don't believe this. Said i don't believe isaac a in kora is a first round draft choice. Then i just don't i think he's okay. He had to go pride. Because when you get that kind of money thrown at you are lottery. Pick but i just think. I don't even know anybody on auburn's team. I'm just cooper freshman. Guard is terrific produce it system. He's explosive acquit. I catholic back row. Of course and bruce per they lose wiley but to me. Bruce pearl just over achieves and you'd pick him seventh eighth ninth tenth. You're gonna see three or four. Just yeah well. Here's the greatest pro. Those as a coach he gets his guys to buy. That's bad but i'll tell you up. Its most underrated thing. You mentioned curl. He is a great waiter of players. That can play for him. Yes and i think. I think that's the most important thing you've got to understand. Who can play for you and his guys understand. The explosive athletic tough game. Allow yourself to be coached kind of guys now. I think they're good. I i think ole miss is a Is asleep do i watch out for fighting. Kermit names i really believe. They got her back back. Will mellow white. The transfer from arizona state is a double double of trying to get him a legitimate frontcourt. Player that kid can make plays. They've got a terrific transfer from from writer The bond kid who's going to help him on the way the got another guard on the perimeter out from cal state bakersfield talking kermit the debate. He really likes his team. He likes his tenor toughness. He likes they're buying. You can see us more ways to score and he thought that he thinks that white is really going to have an impact on this team. I think the got some. You know when we talk when we talked to moss. I mean i think arkansas is going to be a good basketball team. I think that you know this league. I think the bigger question american league men dominate concerned about is one of our former coworkers. Really worried about georgia. I mean you know you. Don't they went to juku out of replace players but they couldn't win with anthony edwards. Bats concert i mean. Where do they go from here now. I think the bottom of the league there are wet available. Mississippi states down they lost. Obviously they lost four starters and good players. They lost witherspoon lost perry. I mean nearly lost woodard may potentially to pros. But you know. I wouldn't say throw a socket but i have a concern for georgia now team on the little high on sap carolina league soccer lines will be better people. Think up throwing a sock lsu just because my team said another sleeper team has missouri konso mark. Conjul martin loss mark smith jeremiah. Tillman for a ton of games last. Julie missed twenty one games. He's got his first six guys in konso. Martin really connects with players concert martin. If you're smart enough to stay there for a couple of years with some of these guys have. I think you're gonna see improvement in not only yourself but in your buy into the team missouri. I've seen them picked this lowest tenth in this league. I i think console martin again to me With the guys that are back that are injured. The return there for six. I think you're talking about I'll make a bold prediction. Say the konso martin in missouri finish in the top four in this league. That is a bowl i do. I like a little experience this year. I like you know you mentioned the three. Ps all the time. Well you got you know. Patients doesn't come with children. Children are impatient. Adults have a little more patient. And when you've been in a system for a few years you're more of an adult than a child. I agree with you on georgia. Georgia throws the ball. Away can't shoot not really skilled texas a and m. I cannot believe this. i'm telling you i did. A texas am three two or three games in orlando last year. I'm telling you. I thought it was a division two team other than the flag other than savion flag. I thought this team can't play well. This team goes ten and eight and elite for crying out loud. Buzz williams did a heck of a job. Early klag is back You have the first game on. Espn two o'clock. I mean the studio boo. Yeah and you know what they're gonna do that little religious walk that they do whatever. It is in their practices where everybody holds hands and walks The joining no distancing. Now that's like. I say they take the team picture from up top and everybody waves at the camera it's blois. It's a glorious practice for that group to finish ten and eight. Look either the sec. Stunk or buzz and a hell of a coaching job. And i think the latter not the former he get. He did a heck of a job and they were really good defense. They could throw the ball out. Should i take right terrible now. They lose two guys. You're just niebolo pretty good for him. He just a tough hard nosed new and and wendell mitchell but you talking about saving flex flag is legit jimmy. But he's going to have to rely on kevin. Marfo transit from quinnipiac was best rebounds in the country and it's going to have to reply on top of that on On freshman and his system then he brings guys together that they will be impacted by manhattan his guys on campus this summer and the pandemic probably as much as anyone because of the number of guys. He's going to have to immerse in what they're doing well Anybo was good. The kid from quinnipiac and i mean czar right. But i don't think he's gonna come in and rebound in that lake seth. We haven't talked about your beloved kentucky. Wildcats we haven't even we. You haven't broken down. You haven't closed your eyes and gone into the crystal ball. Give it to me baby. You know i mean this is going to be interested in returning players cam brooks. I think he i'm brooks when he gets. These look banged up a preseason. I think he had his moment where he can. Maybe i'm not saying. Washington understand is running his own race and that was the florida. Get the end of the season. Young the game. You're not threes in that game but the game because he played welcome kasey body because he did what cal asked him to do. He went to him at the end of the game. And i think the light bulb went on basically said you know what if i buy in and and play. Well coaches conference me to do that. I've got. I've got a buy in. And i think i think that that's what happened so i think he's going to be fine. There wing guys are terrific. Boston is is terrific. I mean he's six seven six eight long arms to put it on the ground and make shots turned clark not as advanced but wing guy with great size and length. I think the kidney transplant creighton's going to be convinced. Kids going to be huge devon. Ask you the kit. The freshman guard from for modern day is a big physical kind of like the harrison twin. The big physical garb doesn't really get downhill as much midst katie. He's a big time. Which is going to open up before they got sar upfront. An jackson kid in taught in talking to cow. He said this is. This guy's got a chance to be marcus camby. I mean he's six eleven. Y ou for blocked. Shots has tremendous tremendous instinct at field for the game He's just he's really really excited. Isaiah jackson and he just he thinks that he said me. 'cause you're gonna watch one time you can always going to be special so you've got big wings. Which colleagues got. They mentioned experience. Boy who is at creighton understand spacing and shotmaking. I think kion brooks asked the get healthy. Now you're not as high on limits are. What are they asking them to do. I think he's got an and this is what john said to me is interesting. He said at first he didn't understand the speed and the intensity. We did things and the expectation to do things this way every single day and and now he's getting up to speed. He has played in the acc. He's been productive on a bad team in the nfc he showed he can rebound the ball in the acc. He's finishing a little bit better. I think it'd be good in the oldest spreaker scouts going almost all dribble drive. It spread ball screen stock. A lot of dribble handoff. When a lot of different step up we start right now. You never know. He's going to go back to circle one and two before it's right and he's going to go to vegas eventually to the flat. The false moore's flat ball screen. But i think they're going to have a good seven man rotation which that's when they're at their very best is when he gets seven guys. Plant well together At a boston. Clockers i think they are and can be a steadying force. You know i think that could win. But didn't that took place a lot of shotmaking and a great on ball defender at hastings. I'm glad to hear you talk about kion because it it was sloppy early. You know he had an a. Wow the you know all that kind of stuff but You know again going back to a kid that you and i both seen this you know when when outside people get mild stupid many times that affects a kid and ultimately the kid makes bad decision. Goes somewhere else and next thing you know. He's he's gripped well. I like the key on brooks addis washington. The the dumb ass aau coach. I like to be squashed it. I liked it. He stayed with it. And i like really. I like the fact that he earned cal's trust because that's all that is. That's that's just a guy being trusted by head coach when you play at the end of the game when he really wasn't there so good for him and you expecting a pretty good year. Yeah i look i mean. He's an interesting guy. I mean he's long. You can make a shot and what he did was at the end. He made two threes never got caught up. He had ten points in that game but he made too tough basket to be into that game he may two baskets traffic the internet game. He came up with a big rebound murphy. That game and you know the certain things. All of a sudden coaches picking on me coaches picking on me coaches picking on me and then all of a sudden. I ha i see why coaches picking i saw. I saw an interview with him at their pro day. And he said most important thing is rowland's with this team. Besides obviously on court is teaching. The young players are Cows method in his madness and how much he cares. He said the took him. A wild understand can challenge jim every single day because he saw something special in him and he said thirsty four hundred and then all besides instead you know what i am i fighting only the guy wants to see me be successful and i think that maturity of stating that's my role now to the rest of the steam is important but you know who we are coming up talk with us. We got the must bus. Maybe we got the great. Eric and coach muss all before we start here. Certain back tonight. We're not proud. I i really believe there's gotta be a must bus long-sleeve drive it somewhere. You know that would fit dockage. I wear tremendous pride. Well we gotta try to figure out somebody to print one. We don't have one right now but there will be wondering if they'll address later will create one. I've become a porn star. Pull expertise span. Democrats plus a little bit away like hotel down thirty pounds. You've got the thirty. I lost big boy. I'll use i found. I must ask a serious question. How many different masks for different teams that you have somehow become so city where there have gotten inspiration trial. What's the number. Because i mean you need another draw in your daniels going to have to build Waterberg fourteen thousand outfits so she has enough room for your t shirts masks. So right now might k. Would told me last night. Seventy nine masks and we're still coming. It's been pretty funny because it started off with no. Mlb teams two teams that nfl teams minor league teams. They're just send stuff. So i got a great collection although the wife is not allow anything into the house. My son happy at the university waigel or minds on staff michael texas. But i'm not allowed to bring anything down. Must call you mad scientists because doug your background obviously absolutely mishandled coach and and a great coach by the way and a guy that has coached at every single level Your journey obviously you know. Success is a journey not investigation to have been roadblocks detours. How do you get these different groups of guys different personalities guys to cut for different programs in a pandemic with social unrest to come together and be the best version sounds was a lot wrapped up in that question coach. 'cause i think there's a lot of things just was the things that are going on in society with the social injustice. I think that you know we have nothing that we do before off most practice where we'd go through some type of history. I'll go through. You know what i love about it. I'll kinda research the subject or about a particular person on as much as i can deliver a little bit of educational stone And then just kind of the florida. The want to add anything or talk about anything in on sundays. Really great you know comprehension tense conversation that other news You know it's more just watching the video be together but but then i think when you try to bring a team you'd be the hardest thing for for me. I while on with the mass is the guys can't see you smile That that to me is a week of them. 'cause they have no bass john obviously practice so we can get their body on and so forth but to me. It's been really really hard. 'cause is can only tell person so much and and i think body language You smile goes a long way especially if you have intense practices and and you're trying to get the home side of your chain and and and then the other thing is just this mental grind. Nobody's played games since march and you know analysis got pushed back on from its normal rhythm. Ta and and even though by just two weeks or whatever. It's a wall. Try when you're in a training camp mode and that's been the hardest. He's trying to keep guys thankfully fresh as well. As physical fresh on season coach you added three grad transfers and young two of which. I've seen a lot of one. Justin smith here at indiana than jalen. The kid from new mexico. How important is it during these times with all that. You're saying to have older kids. I mean i think. I think all the coaches at all at all levels you know cutting high school you have seeing inlaid gene. You know i think that helps you if college and you had some guys that are graduating seniors. I say that helps you especially on the room I think it's real benefits differently. Nba obviously get any playoff situation that helps to a seventy series so Those guys are really really important to us. I think one of the especially because we have four freshman is how you practice harder and you're going 'cause 'cause younger players were pencil effects older players on and that's been something that we've continually stripped way off. This is how you act to practice like appropriate meaning. We've come in you get your shots upper after practice. Go and take care of yourself. Training you stretch after All of those things are really important. I think older players and the players was showing. The inquiry blames must. What's a typical day guys now like. What's the typical day for. You know like in relation to what a typical day would would have been a year ago. But that's a great question coach like we would like. We have guys more than in the past on on And i think it's because you know we we. We decided That no matter what move our players would then be online classes because even in person classes were offered we not want to take that risk And similar to try to form ourselves a situation where we be as healthy as possible So the guys will go into Study hall they'll they'll built. They'll actually where they have classes are. They're doing their stuff when you don't have your apartments We have come into the academic center because we just think that that helps them academically to to not be doing class laying in bed You know my i no. I'll call them the. He'll be on on a facetime. Call this class while we got skateboarding. That's probably not the best way to warren guys. You know. it's hits a really different atmosphere on in their daily routine You know but. But i also think there's some benefits if you can talk about. I mean nobody's comfortable living during the pandemic. Do think you gotta try to come pop pop guys and and they have to have the seeing surprised. You don't scape more to practice. I mean being your background coach at san diego. I mean i know that the lifestyle. I can't even stay in your driveway or put the end of that. I try to teach my daughter how to skateboard sell down. She told me. I needed elbow pad pads at home. And i see your helmet. Helder skateboard singson. Shut down most of my non set. Yeah you know what you guys are you saying. Look i never wore a helmet. You know maybe there is brain damage. But i don't know that there's me golly. Hey hey coach when when you look at this year's team you know you lost players. I mentioned the grad transfer on the court. Your team. what do you think so far. I mean i think for sure. We're making progress ready screaming to the student body. We had a great turnout to two thousand students. They were smith out by An opportunity to try to evaluate with referee with The world work in progress because we have the three transplant. We have the phone incoming freshmen. We have a couple of returning players on and we had two guys that sat out last year. Jd l. makamba combo jacksonville spoiler kind of animal over at seven foot. Three who played is transferred from cal. Berkeley so we have all of these different pockets of players that were china mashed together You know. I think we'll play hard The one thing that that you know we had last year's we had two stars who gonna get the ball late game we go to mason. Jones is hmo those guys both hopefully. We'll get drafted on wasting So for us We're trying to figure out what happens when the game is not one i well. We're trying to figure out what the exit is breakdown and we're late. Shot clock can go freestyle and our team shot or himself a shot on because at the end of the dad i believe that that star still game. He been at the collegiate level. You mentioned as an mason. What what what are you. what are you here. Two guys that basically both from three years is eight and shoot it as well as i think. I think he's a world-class shooter. But what did you hear about those guys in terms of draft to both those guys from having talked to the nation was just with us for group worked out earlier think the guys both will probably get drafted all those be all drafted cape something wild twist and turns on every single year but yes isaiah an incredible shooter with great range And an underrated defender. He's a really really good team factor and the good engvall factor of mesa jones You know when you leave the country and free throws attempted or which is a staff. It will correlate at the next level And then you add in which three ball shooting And i play a lot of different positions. We need a lotta the point forward. We put him at pick and rolls as a ball handler. Wait to see. Ooh she either. Taking all screen senator who picked the popped and we isolate so. I think both those guys fit and play at that level coach. You heard the up. Playing may be moving to one spot. What are your thoughts are the think that anything to get us to the finish line. Anything you know to have a season. I'm all for I hope that these guys made our players are. The players across the country can have is normal a college basketball as possibly chain. I think one good thing. If in fact we do have a bubble eventually players all to the nba And if you look at what happened with the nba And how those guys about their business for the most part was incredible to go. Rhino bubble takes medication and great idea. Mean whatever the believe Can get us a crowd national champion. What the sport needs i must. What is it like to be. The head coach at arkansas and being the third most famous person in your family well You know when we go to dinner. I need people coming into today on ryan. Whether it'd be. I can tell you that on the the great thing is You know we were so active social media and danielle's kind of taken turn it up late. Will they thought to be constantly On twitter without doing face to face conversation with the time said maybe we should know as twitter stuff by each other before it goes public right less last basketball and chris out. That is funny. Though i i heard between your motivation and daniel shots at you. It makes it easy morning read but lasted you play with great rates facing and the floor open and you guys played into ridiculously fast pace. Is that your identity or are you going to be. You know like you would have done in. Mba you can kind of tweak each and every year your identity. Yeah i mean. I you know i loved studying coaches love studying the patriots bill bell jack in the way that we can you know i think so. Don't you like they had the defensive style and and they those regardless of what the opponent is. We like to say up and try to take away party guys. We'll get we'll go from from other school as the same thing with each year. That y y you know when we started team it's like you know the the styling the identity replay. How cosmetically we look. I think really depends on the players. We talked about that every day. Yes we'd like to. Yes we would like to play with good taste. Yes we would like she threes but how quickly and how dedicated hyun giving to those five spots on the floor. We studied the milwaukee bucks offense the entire pandemic we implemented that You know how it works out from spacing standpoint guys be able to maybe read and react owner that calling. Outset plays re. We've added concepts maybe than we have the past to allow a little bit more officiously to But yes we'd like to play like we have in the past when again. I think it really depends on. We gotta take killed basketball. We've been really good at five years or four years even last year. Was we want to get a shot at goal. We don't want any live alternative. Rather take a bat shot than turn the ball. When we on worried kerr for a lot of our players create stuff right there. That's what it was the first game. And when you play lower from the play on the twenty fifth of november. That's the plan right now. Mississippi valley state and law. Guys cannot wait. Get over a week right now. Away and and I mean this is the most excited i've ever been just because you know it's been so long since we've been having an opportunity to compete against somebody else mossy in a best man group going. It's fun it's fun watching how you know let's face it you were a quote unquote a pro guy at how. You've embraced everything about building a program in college down account basketball and then the success. You have a good luck on wednesday with your guys into draft and stay healthy. Stay safe to carry your family and we we look forward to seeing you guys played man now coach so much for having me on you guys love listening to both of you. Keep doing what you do for college. 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Our picks for All-American teams, Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year and Coach of the Year (College Basketball 10/28)

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Our picks for All-American teams, Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year and Coach of the Year (College Basketball 10/28)

"Hairy. Scary. Portraits Wednesday October Twenty eight two thousand twenty welcome back to the CBS. Sports I on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leaky Black Matt norlander is here with being today we want to focus on the CBS Sports Two Thousand and twenty twenty one pre season all America teams they published on Tuesday go find him at CBS Sports Dot Com. If you have already, let me run you through them real quickly. Then we will discuss the first team and I should out this was done by a panel of I believe writers and television personalities who worked for CBS sports so One of our. Extremely gifted editors, Marcus Nelson compiled all the votes and then this is what it spit out first team. Jerry Butler from Baylor I owed sue from Illinois Kate Cunningham Oklahoma State Court. Kiss. Gonzaga Luca Garza Iowa. The second team market sick arouse ski from Creighton Re Martin From Arizona State Colin Gillespie from Villanova Jeremiah Robinson Earl Villanova Trace Jackson Davis Indiana and third team bj. Boston Kentucky Marcus Garrett Kansas Sam Houser for Jinya garrison. Brooks North Carolina, and From U. S., C. The fifteen players come from six different leagues three each from the Big ten big twelve big east to each for the PAC twelve ACC and one each from the SEC and the WCC. The American athletic conference gets left out of the top seven leagues in American. ORLANDO WHAT IF ANYTHING STANDS OUT ABOUT? Let's just focus on the first team what stands out about the first is that that is not your first. Who's to say something my first team well, I am to say because I, looked at. It does not match that I is that your first team is are is the CBS sports first team, the same five that you submitted. No I had ZIGA risky on my first team and Corey Kiss burden on my second team. The other four did have on my first team. So my first team is Jared Butler Kate, Cunningham Marcus cigarettes ski and Luca Garza I had corey kiss bird on my second team and I had Corey Crawford on my first team. So like you we each had four, the five but you're right I. Think I think we had. Either close to ten or more than ten people actually input their votes for the. So it is a widespread CBS representative list here but obviously like Luca Garza and Kate Cunningham are the automatics automatics and then I would assume you I was I would put him right there with jared. Butler is right behind and then I think that fifth spot kiss on it I had. I had Colin Gillespie Villanova on my first team. Did you vote for Gillespie all on team? One two or three or no? I had Colin Gillespie on. My second team you did I didn't think that he was gonNA. Make for seamen. As you mentioned he did make second team there and we'll get to that in a minute but in terms of the first team. Garza is the overwhelming I mean. It. Just goes goes possible to put together a first team without Lou Garza on it in fact I would argue it's nonsensical unless you're just trying to predict Cunningham is going to be not a player like Kevin Durant but productive like Kevin Durant Twelve. Unless you're predicting something like that. Luca Garza is the obvious precede national player of the year and undeniable first team. All American. He is what back and look at CBS Sports Dot Com. Two Thousand Nine Thousand Nine Hundred Twenty postseason all America teams. Fourteen of the fifteen players are no longer in college as. Let's Choson I don't have it up Do you have if you have it up refresh? Let's just refresh your listeners here and just remind everyone of who was really good last season that we're just not going to have Garza's the one the only one of the top fifteen players in the sport who is actually returning to college basketball based on voting from US last year yes. Oh For another thing that I'm working on actually did look this up yesterday. So I, do have it the players we had I mean the only got the first team real quick. Let me see I. Don't have the first team in front. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Here's what I have. There were fifteen players on three teams. Five each obviously. Nine of those fifteen Luca Garza's the only one back in school nine of the fifteen left school early and five others exhausted their eligibility in other words they were seniors and now they're gone. So let's start with this trivia time name the seniors that were in the top fifteen yet. Man as Buki. Yes. Pritchard Organ Painting Pritchard correct. How many how many? How many are there five? By the way three of the five were first team, all Americans. And was as a rookie for CMO American. Yes. Okay. Three more. I'm. Spinning my wheels All. From power. Conferences. Yes. Who've you named so far Pritchard as Bookie, yeah, Pritchard and ask Buki. Okay I'll give you a hand hold on the but don't don't don't spoil it for me here No one at hold on. Until two of them played in the same league. Okay. So there's no one. I'm just I'm spinning throw cash Winston obviously to. At Michigan State. And then the other to play the same league. As soon, as you know I'll note as soon as I. Know it it'll be obvious to you as soon as you know. Right, who is a senior? This is why this is why I love the podcast I love running through stuff in real time I'm I'm sure it's riveting for the listeners. It is riveting because you know what they're playing along at home. No, they've already answered. They answered it screaming into their phones. I mean like. Like when I think biggies Gars that were awesome. Last year I think Kamar Baldwin but I don't think. Marcus Howard Obviously, Oh, my God miles pal. Foul. Those are the five seniors Americans but CBS, sports obviously not back in school. There were nine nine underclassmen don't ever forget Marcus Howard and miles power both biggies guards and rjr played it. Like match seating I'm I'm not looking at anything. I'm literally trying to pull it off the top of my head that you. Okay. Okay. So now we had. Nine underclassmen, who were all Americans for CBS sports and they entered the NBA draft early. Name. Them. Trivia to we have to do this nine underclassmen. All Americans entered the draft. Yeah and you get you get twenty seconds to think of each one and then I'll just paint you. Teams that were devan Dotson correct that's one ally, Lynn. To, OBI topping three. Who else was underclassmen that were good over and junior four who else was like as a freshman that would be in that mix Awesome a freshman. How about this I'm GonNa help you none the other the other in a freshman biver not freshman. Okay. Florida state, any of the guys that are no no. Okay. Can't pick miles Powell again right. CanNot Take Moscow again not allowed. Not Allowed. Ooh I got one for you. How what did Daniel or to roommate that list correct near five now you got four left out that. Any of these players on a team that's Kinda random like they might have been like a bubble team, and so they aren't like at the top. I'm trying to think of guys that were good. All all of these players were going to be in the. Tournament and they all play it. Big Name Programs. How many have for? How about Jalen Smith Maryland, that's one of them. Now, you down to three left. About Jordan War at Louisville. nope. Okay Philip. Patricia if. That's the one I thought. You were GonNA forget that he's there. You've got two more and they play it arguably the two biggest brands in the sport of college basketball. So did we really vote maxine a top fifteen player? No but one of his teammates was the player of the year quickly quickly. We're going to do a thing on Okay. quickly, and then Duke would been trade Jones correct. That's it. So Luca Garza is the only one back in school, which by the way is is just the nature of the sport. No mainstream American sport has more turnover of its top talent euros a year then college basketball, it's a byproduct of. The players being allowed to enter their draft whenever they want after spending one year in college and baseball. If you go to. lsu there for three years in football, you go to Alabama you're there for three years in basketball you go to Kentucky you can leave whenever you want to leave and so. I know that sounds wild that Luca. Ours is the only first team second team of thirteen mile. America back in school but that's actually usually the way it goes. Yeah and well, we'll save some preseason word stuff for the back end of this podcast here. But so yeah, Butler Garza. Cunningham. Pittsburgh is our first team and I did put Kuenssberg on the on the first team there. Gillespie. Was the one that I had him first team that didn't make it. They're kiss Bert, I just expect him to. I, honestly, like Gonzaga has a ton of talent. Jalen is coming in the they'll be good but I'm thinking like a twenty I'm expecting kiss for it to be a twenty point game guy for. Team. That again, if the schedule can be relatively stable so to speak, this is all hypothetical but he's GonNa be the best player on a team that's top five. So to me, that's why I put him on the first team and show and he should be there. Jared Butler is the one I'll be honest. Jared Butler is is the guy that I didn't put their I put him on my second team and I put Butler on the second team because. I don't know if he's going to like Baylor should be really really good. But I have high confidence in Cunningham kiss to sue even though the WHO's got Kofi Coburn who did not make our second or third team. and. Garza Garza cutting him because I think they're all gonna like be stat monster on really good teams ballers also get numbers but like he's got enough around him, macy ot I'm like on a given night may not can outscore Butler and when Butler had. had. said a few games last season and may stratego her as well. But the May not actually had us a stretch where he was Baylor's score for two three or four weeks. So that was what I resisted on that I just I. If you told me, he wasn't that it wouldn't be shocking but easily, Jerry Butler has to be evaluated as a top ten player in college basketball heading into the season on Butler. I think more than any other person on our first team and I voted him first team. So I subscribed, he's mostly they're based on. Well, he's the best player on a great team. Yeah that's the rationale for Jerry Butler. Isn't it just like a guy? WHO's Bay Best Player I'm putting on the first direct, which to be fair like. So the interpretation of the voting is up to each voter but when I do first second and third team for all Americans, we'll get to this with my personal, my third team I try and blend it with like you're on a good team but if I think. That you're going to be an absolute stat monster. Then I think like I won't vote for you for player of the year if you're on a nine seed but I'll I'll consider you fall. American. Like you should be acknowledged rewarded. If you are consistently just an outrageous productive player and and inversely if I think you're a good player but you're not just. You're not putting up the numbers and I'm not GonNa, put you on first team just because you're the best player on a top three team I don't I don't award all America teams based on that I ward my voting for player of the year based on that but I, do think there's a discernible difference between the two. Are. Second team was Mark Cigarettes Sqi Rim Martin Colin Gillespie Jeremy Robinson Earl Trays Jackson Davis. So this is interesting because I did not have two of those guys on any of my teams I didn't have Jeremiah Robinson. I didn't have trace Jackson Davis obviously trades Jackson Davis going to put up ridiculous numbers. It's not obvious. I think he is. But how good is Indiana going to be? Like Well I'm not I'm not sure of that. Okay. So when you say that a couple of things here, first of all, let me be clear I considered him like. I put together like a list of twenty and he was on that list. But when I cut it to fifteen, he did not make. All right. So let's just one step at a time here when you say that like hug on Indiana going to be he is the best returning. Sophomore big in college basketball he was. Ultra reliable and I would even argue that he wasn't even used to its full potential as a freshman, which is no shot at Archie. I mean he was a freshman. So I think that he's going to be that much better. I did have him on my second team. My second team was as previously mentioned Jerry Butler? Trace Jackson Davis Markus Egger, ask you so those lined up. Exactly. Then, I had Sam Hauser who you previously mentioned is on our thirteen and then just like you. Didn't you say you had a second team didn't see you at a second team person that didn't even make the team. You. Know I know I think I think I. We both had three people that we listed that did not make any team and all three of mine are on my third. Okay. So I got one on my second team. I. Think Oscar Sebwe is were Jackson Davis in terms of like the best returning bigs I think he's going to be I. Just I'm I'm way high on West Virginia and I'm I'm telling you like I think she is going to be like an eighteen and fourteen guy he was the last person. I, cut. Yes I am I am so in on this dude man, he is smart I was surprised she didn't go to the NBA. Like I understand why he didn't. But if he would win I thought he would have gotten drafted. So I put him on my second team Oscar she boy is not on our first second or third team I'm highly confident that when we get to the end the season barring injury or just schedule weirdness that prevented Shibo is going to be up for a second or thirty American. So I was he's the only name that I was surprised did not make the list I'm just trying to think I. Don't think I voted rechecking what I sent. You know I didn't vote for Remmy Martin on my first second or thirteen. He's on our second team. Did you have on your second or thirteen? I had Rimi Martin on my second my second team was calling Gillespie Rim Martin corry cus burt. Sam. Houser Garrison Brooks. Okay. So rummy Martin is going to be and we're not gonNA score big boys for tons. Top twenty, five team he is, but he's arrest. So he is but he's a radic. So I think he's fun as hell like he really is. I. Think he's just. Ceiling and floor gaffer. Martin. For a great player and might be as wide as any player in college basketball, the season and and just having talked to some PAC twelve coaches in the past two weeks or so. They think that Remy Martin if it all works, he's the best player in the League but I heard. I heard all sorts of other guys that could be better at the end of the at the end of the season Stanford alone might have to, I mean you're Williams of freshman hits and hits. He's the best player Oscar de Silva's teammate is a big totally different kind of player Christmas that Ucla. Also, absolutely in the mix there. Suggest keep that in mind I don't know Oregon really. I don't think we're GONNA have plan around me Martin but he made our second team. I like Arizona State's only been a preseason top twenty, five team four times in its history. Amazing. This'll be the fifth year when that AP top twenty five comes out as a lock to be in the top twenty, five there. So I liked variety there and his heiser high, but I mean I I'm telling you right now I have so much more confidence in. Gillespie Jackson Davis you and I are in agreement neither of US wrote for Jeremiah. Robinson. Are All America teams right. I did not he is. He is the one person we have in common that we did not vote for and it's not I'm not saying he shouldn't be considered but I was surprised that he was included and also surprised that we were going to pick one team to have to preseason all Americans. I did not I would not have thought it would have been Villanova I would've probably thought it would have been. Illinois Illinois but actually, I'm not surprised by I didn't vote from either I don't think I think I I think less via just going to clearly be he's the leader he facilitates everything Robinson a great talent. He's GonNa leave after this year and go to the NBA But this is why like I've mentioned on the pockets but I'm going to. Have Villanova's my number one team in the rankings come out there, and it's because I do agree that Illinois has the best one to, but I would hope Villanova right behind him with Robinson I just don't think that he's going like Villanova I love number one team because of how much they have in total. So it's not a bad pick but I If Villanova's the best team at the end of the season and they're and they're like the number one overall seed then yes. In that situation, Gillespie and Robinson could both be represented on all America teams? We've got them both on the second team but I was surprised by his inclusion Our second team had just I didn't expect to see what I see on their frankly I thought Zeiger Rousey was going to have enough to go in the first, but I personally had him on the second. So how I agree with it but but if you're a fan like. Clearly. Be geared up for this because you do have a stack team and I do like what you have more than the. Perez, right there with me it's just the difference is minor like I think you've got over third I got him I so right? You're. GonNa see Gonzaga Baylor Villanova probably in any order at the top of most people's ballots or rankings. It's a minor thing. I. Get frustrated when people tweet me like I tweet the twenty five and one and they go. This is stupid poll I'm like it's not a poll. Is Just my rankings I didn't pull anybody just me. Again, I'm the only one that notices but hear you man as someone who cares about grammar in actual word meeting and now I I. Percents, it's not a poll. So both people's ballots or rankings are going to have know Gonzaga Baylor Villanova in some order I would assume one two three. And you can have them in any order. This isn't one where I have Gonzaga one Villanova one and I'm going to sit here and have a forty five minute argument with you about it or even a four minute. It's totally reasonable. They're all similarly talented on on paper. So Villanova has to second team. All American. CBS Sports and it is the only school that had to all Americans listed Arthur team. Is. b.j Boston Kentucky Marcus Garrett Kansas Sam Houser Virginia Garrison Brooks. North Carolina and Evan mobely from USC, and that means that as a team that has. To players. Know just one maybe just one player. That I did not have I did not have Marcus Garrett in fact, let me just put it this way I didn't have Jeremy Robinson Earl, trace, Jackson Davis, or Marcus Garrett on any of my teams Those are the three that that made it that I didn't list and the three that you. That made it that you didn't list were really Martin Jeremiah Robinson are all and bj Boston. That's right I'm surprised you didn't go Garrett now Marcus Garrett was the defensive player of the year last season in college basketball I included him because I think that means a lot and he's also going to be Kansas as most important player. He's going to be asked to run the point. We'll see how that experiment goes. But if you tell me the Kansas can be Kansas and be a top eighteen and Marcus skirts the best player on the team. He's going to be an all American just as a function of how he's not going to get worse on defense and if he can get better on offense, that's why put them there. I I will say the one. I put Garrison Brooks on my thirteen. And I did it because he's the leading returning score of any player in the ACC and Carolina should be better. But I'm not like I did it but I'm I'm not convinced. I had Sam Houser on my second team I think Sam Houser is going to step in and change. The the fingerprint of Virginia on offense and it's GonNa make. Virginia in the running to be a one seed and he's just going to be a total. He's a transfer he's going to step in I think he's going to be huge for that offense and so I was you know I, like to take a chance air so I house around the second team. In Hell for I don't know how this is calculated but maybe putting on second team insured that he wound up even on the thirteen although you said, you also voted for him mobile good. I had some house on my second team as well. Okay perfect. So there we go. So we might have actually ensure that he actually got onto this team to begin with to hear that I think that he's going to be a really really really good player for for Tony this year. Mobile is the only freshmen who. Can conceivably challenge heading into the season once we get games in I understand things changed but like just and I'm I'm basically this based off of not just having seen these players for talking to recruiting analysts and people it's just. The only guy that really is in Cunningham's orbit to challenge him and so it makes sense to me that he's on the thirteen I don't think Bj Boston's there actually think terrence Clark's going to be Kentucky's best player this season more than Bj Boston PJ, Boston may lead the team scoring. So I get why he's there I find him to be again this is not a knock Kentucky's got a lot of talent their GPA I think just put them in their top ten because I got elites are eligible I also expect I haven't finished it but I expect I'm GonNa Have Kentucky my top ten to fifty seven. Just to I I have Kentucky Thirteenth I got behind Tennessee okay fair enough and I. I don't know if I'm buying Tennessee but he I, tell you this on the starting day of the season Tennessee is going to have the best starting five in the league like that's going to be the case like maybe talk gets there. But you play Kentucky versus Tennessee on November twenty fifth and I don't know who they'd be favorable I'm telling you take Tennessee on that day but. Anyway, Boston being on the third team. Like I'll tell you this. Team I wouldn't put Bj. Boston on there. We had a fourteen I probably put Terence Clark but I didn't vote for any Kentucky player there, and that's not abnormal with what we've seen like In some recent seasons like quickly got awesome. But he was not a freshman when you got awesome like he, he really developed into something. Yes. Obviously there have been some Kentucky freshmen have stepped up but the freshman we have on our teams are Cunningham moberly and Boston to me the difference between Mobile in Boston heading into the season is fairly sizable. I think the reason bj Boston gets included is that he's the highest rank Kentucky Prospect. So like a lot of people who is Kentucky's highest rated incoming player bj Boston. Cool. I'll make him an all American window something to that yeah. So that's that's what I find most interesting about that is that he is the only sec player. That got on and all America team. But when we took our votes for SEC preseason player of the year, it was not be to Boston. It was. If Pants. Dude who was Can you guess it's Trivia time. This published when I was on vacation so I admittedly did not read it. There's no one on Kentucky, ponds would have to be the Tennessee pick. Arkansas, has there's no one but new players on Arkansas Bama Brings Back Herb Jones and John It's not. It's not one of those right it's not a place at Florida Chianti Johnson. Johnson was voted SEC player of the year. But bj Boston is the SEC player that made are all American team. Now, I should point out it's a different panel voters. It was just dot com people who handle the preview we brought in other people for the all America team. So that's the explanation there but. I've already mentioned the players. I don't have that. made it. Jim. Robinson Herald Trace Jackson. Davis Mark Scared the players I voted for. That didn't make any team. Trindon WOFFORD. Interesting John Wilkerson. And Jalen crutcher so you think. Shots to kill until half brother. You think focus is going to be a better player than palms I voted John, Volkersen preseason se player of the year. All right. Let's think he's GonNa be Tennessee's best player and I think Tennessee is going to be the best team in the. Okay. This is the. To be clear listeners like that's that's to me that is an nor I like the variety with perish right there because you normal to me, that's a little outside the box I want more of that. Now, you're not willing to go outside the boxes me because before we started doing this podcast, you're your exact words were you voted for orange? Roadrunner? And you're right. I did vote for road runner I'll get two minutes second my thirteen was Evan mobely Marcus Garrett Garrison Brooks Kofi Cockburn. Illinois big man who I think is going to be a stat monster Illinois potentially top five I. think that he's got a really good shot and then yes giovane Jackson erode runner at UTSA. Why I like to give a little bit of love to the some of the smaller school guys he was the leading scorer in America these by the way. Okay. So I think he could legitimately put up thirty points a game which the last time we saw it. Camel fighting, Chris Clements Campbell he's going to be the first guy to do it since then there's only been like three guys that have done it in the past thirty years here. So he led the nation in three pointers in points last season, high volume player. I'll tell you right now if we get to the end of the season in von Jackson. Is Averaging thirty points a game like I'm going to vote him for thirteen you I don't care what level you play. If you can consistently put up thirty a game, you're getting an all American for me. So I expect him to be close to that and I want to have a little bit of variety. I knew there was no shot it was gonNA make our team, but I wanted to give him some love. So giovane Jackson was my pick who was your? Okay. Go ahead. Do you John Jackson's nickname? I Don. I don't. But if you if you accidentally no it, that's insane like. Last night I'm doing prep? For this and I'm going through your ballot and I'm like. This do voted for a road runner. So I started like I was like, well, let me see what's up. So I started googling. The nickname. The port he's Puerto Rican Iverson No. That's what they call it. Puerto Rican Iverson had like it man he is. He's. Oregon Iverson. And out of see, you say I don't know if they're going to win the league or anything like that. They're not the favourite but any he just fills up and has consistently. So I. do like to have a little bit of creativity and give a valid vote to someone who puts it up like if he was going to average twenty four, he got my vote but he like literally my average thirty and that's hard to do at the D. One level even GP Why am I, Why am I blanking here? I was GONNA say Trade Jones trae young even trae young at Oklahoma at the end of the season like he he didn't. He didn't maintain that so. Long as not the Puerto Rican Iverson I know he's not. He's absolutely not giovane Jackson one, hundred percent is and so he got my vote. So focusing what is your thirteen I thought you had another curveball in their. My thirteen was Jalen crutcher bj Boston trend in watts per John Full Kherson Evan mobely. So crutcher Yeah it's Jalen credit like less and we'll see how good Dayton's going to be post. Obi Top but Jalen crusher was awesome. Last season. It got overshadowed because like he's playing with the national player of the year, which was really really good and so I think Jalen could be eight and player of the year, and if you're eighteen player of the year, you're going to get all America consideration. So I went with Jalen crutcher on that thirteen back to focus in for a second I do know that that probably the only person who listen jump folks but he ever is thirteen point, seven points and. Five point nine rebounds and thirty point one minutes per game last season shot sixty one point, two percent for the failed seventy four point eight percent for the free throw line, and then here's what really stands out. He averaged twenty point eight points in Ut's last four games. Now you might go case four games small sample size, five, last ten games, eighteen point, three points he got really productive as the season went on now. Tennessee's rolling to five-star freshman which is. Probably, one and done first round picks. And that's why I've Tennessee ranked higher than Kentucky and Tennessee is the favourite to win the SEC but. I do think it is possible because it's happened sometimes. Jump Focus will not be Tennessee's best NBA prospect I'm not even sure he's an MBA prospect, but it could be the best college player, and if he's their best college player tendencies as good as I, think he's GonNa end up being all American. That's. I like it. That's that's very fascinating and they are Tennessee is a is set up to be equality I. Love this Tennessee today they really really good. They do I. Haven't decided yet. If I'M GONNA put them or Kentucky I I really gotta like kind of burrow in in the coming day here. So to figure that out as I finished out my one, two, three, fifty, seven, usually save like the top forty teams for last but But yeah. That's something to consider their We also had our awards. So I mean you might as well touch on this as the pot. It's there is no in my opinion, the only player that you could give legitimate consideration to is Cunningham because I think he is going to be that good and he could like Oklahoma. State is a preseason first teamer like he he is projected number one overall pick next year's draft too has got coburn to to to take away some production vote if you will butlers got macy not going. Oh, by the way Just defensively like they got mark vital Baylor's got a lot of stuff happening there. Kiss Burt is good but you know drew timmy I didn't consider him but drew like could be a top twenty five player in college basketball this year as well. Cunningham has no one else Garza yes they have other options that offense is incredible but he is going to be as consensus of a pre season player of the year is we've had in the past decade JP. Yes. So the player of the year. Was Luca Garza coach at the year mark few freshman of the year Kate. Cunningham to me player of the year is always easy. It doesn't mean we always get it right but you know who to pick. It's either the best freshman or the best returning player on a on a nationally relevant team, and then freshman of the year is usually just okay what what's guys projected to? Be The number one pick next year. Let let's make him that that's that's easy. You could make an argument for Evan mildly but I agree it's it should be cutting him coach of the is always like how do you do a preseason coach of the year? That's always tough for me. So like when I turned in my ballot yeah, I literally just took the coaches of the number. One number two and number three team we had to turn into three coach ballot I just went with the the coaches of the top three teams in the top twenty, five and one in that order. So I went mark view Scott Drew Jay Right. But that's the one I don't know that there's a proper way because what coach of the year usually is is somebody who wildly overachieved. Relative to preseason expectations. That's the guy who is usually coach postseason coach of the year. But how do you account for that in the preseason I? Don't know. So I just I just make it easier I tried to project. So basically, like some sort of weird combination of alright you're you've built something in ascended to a spot, you normally wouldn't be or your circumstances aren't such that like. You have a lot returning last year to benefit you. So Mark One, he did not get my votes Brad Underwood was my number one and then me expecting Arizona State to win the PAC twelve I dunno. If Arizona State has ever been a preseason favorite to win the league and they still might not be by the way, I could go to UCLA could go to Oregon but I would have Oregon. Yeah I. I'm going to I'm going have Arizona State is the best team in the League so Bobby Hurley was a my number two and then given What Tennessee has I did have rick. Barnes. Three because although I don't I'm not GonNa have Tennessee I don't think I'm GonNa have him in my life top eight I'm just I don't think so but I do think that they can get their just put barnes three no I, didn't think he'd get a lot of votes and so I to me Underwood for sure like Underwood has now built up Illinois To the point where it's going to be. Locked top ten in some cases, top five teams and he got his players back if Illinois isn't once you conversations. So he understood was my pick, but he didn't win it market it. This is where I think sometimes people lose perspective and I'm not blaming you like. Your justification for Brad Underwood is he has built Illinois into a share topped T. Mark view is built a West Coast conference. Program, into a sure bet top three team and parentally. Perennial case though shouldn't mark few win it every single year yes I don't think so. I think what I think would you take a step back and realize dude has built a West Coast Conference program into a national power he should be coach of the year. Every season coach of the year is the most meeting meeting meaningless one because when we get to the end of the season if unless you're undefeated or one law. So if like if Baylor's undefeated Scott, who's GonNa win it but like if Baylor Is a one C, but it has three losses. It's like the fourth one seed Scottish probably not GonNa win. But if Illinois's once he brought under will win it. We knowledge that right because because Illinois the better story is the same thing with the NBA. MVP blurting they look for a better start Lebron James to win it every single season but he doesn't because they look for the new thing right same deal well I. I, guess I would say this Lebron James is still the most valuable player in the NBA. He should. He should win the MVP every single season, but he doesn't because we've gotten so accustomed to his greatness listen you and I on the same page here Lebron James is the most valuable player in the NBA and it has been that way for a long time without exception. But so if you just wanted to stop right there who the most valuable player, it's Lebron James Boom here's my ballot. That's what I would do. But the argument for other people pass two years Janas Antetokounmpo, is that statistically speaking Janas did have a better regular season and his team was did have a better record like if you say who's the best player on the team with the best numbers player efficiency rating, all of that stuff. Statistical. Vote was clearly for Jaanus this past season but if you just say, I, don't care about any of that stuff. WHO's the Most Valuable Player? Who who do I want on my team it's Lebron like that's the way the Lebron thing gets chopped up is that you start relying on. You start voting for MVP and the NBA. The. Way People do it in Major League baseball which they make statistical analysis of who was the best Luke while losing sight up who's actually the most valuable I think that's what's costs Lebron James Multiple. MVP Awards. Coach of the year it is. I've said this before Billy Donovan had. Two national titles before he ever went a single SEC coach of the year would like that's insane. But but the if your if your goal is to win coach of the year in college basketball, here's what you need to listen up if you're trying to stack awards. You have to not recruit. And the coach team up or inherit a bad situation and then. Over achieve to this point. Can you name the last SEC coach of the years no shot. I mean I know that they're not Bruce Pearl we'll wade because they don't get voted for it. So I like you can make a case those should be the to, but I know it's not them Last year was buzz Williams at Texas in. If you gave me five guesses that he probably wouldn't have been in my top five and before that it was Kermit, Davis? It'll miss. There we go. That's how you win coach of the year words you take over a bad situation. or You or you create a bad situation and then you make it respectable and they'll give you trophies. It's weird. It's a weird thing I last thing and we get out of here because I remember we talked about this exact thing I'm gonNA bring up on last year's pod. We talked about are all Americans who is the one I guess you I guess you your picks Shebaa because you didn't vote for him on he's on our list I was GonNa say who's the one player? That's both Not, on on the CBS for a second or third team and also not a player that you are I voted for period that is most likely to make us look silly. Maybe it is. Maybe we brought them up county Johnson at Florida, but the other one that I would bring up and if it's not him, I'm curious if you have another nominee I was scanning through the team looking in my top twenty the only other one like we don't have a duke guy and like if. If Duke is top ten quality which I'm not in on at this moment. But if they are and then matthew hurt suddenly like POPs in his drop in nineteen a game, it might be him but otherwise I think we covered just account day Johnson probably the guy but I wonder if there's another one that either you and I both didn't vote on ends not in our in our list that would be most likely to make us look silly. Okay. Like the guys that usually it that usually a freshman who comes out of nowhere although trae young was kind of a freshman like nobody trae young was the five star point guard coming out of high. He was not expected to do what he did it Oklahoma from a statistical perspective. So it happens sometimes but that's usually where we get surprised it's usually. All My god Lagaras doing this what like Duca Garza kind of came out of nowhere. Yes. So if you're trying to identify somebody who could Kinda You know go from Good College player to Wo-, I think that you heard is a reasonable candidate for that just as a Sophomore Chris Duarte at eighty Reagan. I I could see I don't I don't know. He's like way out there and I don't think he's GonNa Average twenty four points per game. You know. I'm a little shifty on Oregon with no Richard this year but see him in the PAC twelve player of the year, and if you're attacked while player of the year you are going to. Be An. All American conversation if the question is simple as WHO's the guy? I, didn't vote for. WHO. I think I'll regret let. That guy the guy we didn't have listed who I think will be listed post-season I'd go back to the Homie foursome. Your you this is going to be an all time call. That will never hear the end of if wind up being right. I want to be right touchdown. I. I. Know I know. Plus John Volkersen he. Just. He he sounds like he was a predominant member of Southern Rock Act in the seventy S. I. Absolutely John John Ferguson sounds like he. Is. Sounds like a member of the traveling will berries. I do like that. Can you donate? Your time. Okay. Can you name? All five traveling bilberries. well Bob Dylan Tom Petty. The two easiest there's actually a third super easy one BS. There's this is like the Fab five of music by the way everyone knows Jalen rose quiz where Chris Webber, Juwan, Howard Jimmy King and then everyone Ray Jackson career bedroom forgets Ray Jackson. Showing, I would never forget Ray Jackson? No cheating no cheating. Can you name all five traveling wilburs? You got to there's a third super easy one. Who is the first person you think of when you think of Traveling Wilbur for me? It's Tom Petty. and to me, it's Dylan. Okay. The most famous one. You're trying to try. The buster here Bob Dylan is the most famous. Actually arguable. But yes, the the one have Georgia correct. I that's a good question who's morphine Dylan's more famous but it's it's super close Dylan's more famous than George Harrison for George Harrison's beatle. That's correct. Okay. The other two. can you get there if you can't there's no shame in at one of them has I would. One of them has what I would qualify as probably one of the ten most recognizable voices in the history of. You, know American music just because you know he was very influential when he came up and then he was in the world breweries in the later stages of his life. Roy, orbison. Correct. Are you cheating? No, but because I'm scrambling for the fifth I cannot get it. Is the toughest one, the Ray Jackson of them all came up with yellow one Jeff Land. Is the fifth one. So traffic will based supergroup that actually worked out like they some good stuff there but But yes. So we've got chosen Jeff Lynne in the famous prints. Tom Petty He's one of many. But, yes, I'm I think you're right about that famous rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the Rock Hall of fame where he's on the princess on the guitar. And I jeff limits on stage with him I. Think you're correct about that I think that's my best memory. Of Jeff Leeann watching him watch prints play guitar. Fair enough invoke some more music related Trivia Times on the podcast of something. That's That's that's definitely although. I E yellow they're all right like I'm I'm not like totally down with with the Electric Light Orchestra but here and there like you know. I I can do it from time to time. Don't seem like an ill I'll do. I I don't WanNa. Say I'm not a fan because that implies I don't like I've just never really I've never really jumped in. Sneaky here, and they're here and there but anyway I don't even know we're talking what a, what does this podcast about I think it was about John Focusing being part of the traveling will vary. l'americain. We can get out of here self to Davos Daddy Chelsea. Second Terry Mfn t going to legend. Chesler now, thank you guys listen to the college basketball podcast. What's again in the middle of the dumbest pandemic of my lifetime if you enjoy, please tell somebody better if you're not subscribe, please go subscribe anywhere. You subscribe to podcasts including Apple podcast please do that at appreciate it and we will talk to you again to Mahato till. Take. 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Top 100 Things to Watch in College Basketball (Part 4)

Titus & Tate

1:59:34 hr | 8 months ago

Top 100 Things to Watch in College Basketball (Part 4)

"Today's episode entitled. We are finally at long last coming across the finish line. For top one hundred things to watch less storyline slash bullet points slash. Who the hell even knows at this point. College basketball preview tape. Yeah we are lost in the footnotes. We're letting everyone know what we think about college basketball. We are getting in the weeds and like you said we. Finally we see the light at the end of the tunnel. We got to the final preview. Show we've done quadrants before we've done teams before we try to come up with the new model every single year it always confuses us just like it confuses you and we have a great time. That's part of the show. We learned a lot along the way. We're going to learn a little today. We're doing our top twenty five just stuff who the hell knows. Thanks to know things to watch things. That may happen things that we care about in college basketball simple as basketball starts next week folks. It starts next week. It's time it's time to time to lock in. It's time to tighten up it's happening and we're gonna talk about it. But i would derm go pal technical before he died then. Tate couple housekeeping. Things number one. We did a nba draft special. I assume most people listen to podcasts. Know-how podcast Work like if you came to click on this show you probably saw. That was already there. But i feel like saying it because you know. We have some older listeners. That don't how technology works. Oh yeah go go listen if you watch the draft and you wanna hear our thoughts. We did a show last night wednesday night. I mean Where we watched draft over we sat down and hash it out. So there's that in your pocket speed. Yeah it's there. It's a bonus episode and we want to reiterate that again. It is a bonus episode because upon reflection. I forgot to mention that leonard. Hamilton should have been in that broadcast. We should have gotten some coach ham time. But you know. I'll leave that for later. But yes that episode did happen. Yes we did. Cover the draft. And now we're happy to get back to college bass. What do we do about the reason we say bonus so many times is because i think we're allowed to be drunk during that up for its opponents episode. Let's just get to it. Doesn't we drink. And we throw things at the wall at them and we see hits and sticks and it's a great time so exhibition episodes joy. It another announcement. This one's a little more fun. I would say so on monday night. The twenty fourth. I believe is what the the is it the twenty fourth. I should probably look at the calendar. It is the digits the twenty third. I'm a moron okay. The twenty third of november on f s one at ten eastern seven pacific. It's isaiah thomas with five seconds. Stressor monday at ten eastern seven pacific. Tate ni- are hosting the fox. Sports college hoops preview on f s. One we're doing it television. Yeah yeah it's going to be good so you should watch it so the last time that we went on. Tv we wear tuxedos. We did the ultimate college. Basketball fan bracket we gave out to north carolina. yes and A lot of people thought that we'd never make it back but we did make it baghdad preview in college basketball which is what. We're here today. So you go in the same vein. I'm gonna say it again. This might be the last time wherever on tv. They might every time could be the last time. Yeah that's why you gotta you gotta lock it and watch because you never know. The last time you'll see are faces on tv will be aright. Let's get into it twenty five through one. We're working backwards. We start with number twenty five and it comes on the heels of the nba draft. The number twenty five most interesting thing happening in college basketball to me and you right now. It's tom green now. Has the number one pick on his resume tate. This disease scary for the rest of the country. Be afraid of tom. Green a man who has able to throw victory all the depots name man. Who's been able to throw dwayne. Wade's name when it gets in these living rooms with recruits canal. Throw anthony edwards the number one. He can throw that name out. He's building his army here. Tate and i feel like tom. Cruise the sec. Already is a dangerous situation. Now you're throwing the number one pick on top of that just saying things are happening and you said this in two thousand seventeen. You said twenty seven cream. We thought that it was the year of the cream renaissance to rise to the top and be great and it did not work in two thousand seventeen but it did work in twenty twenty and he gets anthony edwards. He gets his surefire number one pick and he gets a new term. Because we've heard the term one and done since two thousand six we we've beaten it know as much as anyone in the media you and i we always bring it up. We talk about guys. He has own term for these types of players pre destined say they will not predestined. That is what anthony edwards was. He said that that is the caliber of players that he is looking for. He's looking for pre destined talent to come to athens georgia. This is what we call bulletin board material and tom kriens world. It means i hang this up i say. Do you remember this. Do you remember what i did this. This time it was the number one. Pick anthony edwards the man himself and We couldn't be more excited for time korean. Because he's gonna talk about this for the next decade. You wanna talk about predestined. I mean that does apply to anthony edwards because it seems like his attitude towards basketball is that he was just destined to do this. He didn't necessarily want it was destined choice. They're like no play minnesota here. So you're asking yourself it's great. I mean like cool cool little narrative. You guys are building of the tom. Crean is going to kill on the recruiting trail with this. And whatever like is there any truth to that mark into that i say. Yeah there's a there's a five star wing by the name of amino muhammed look this up onto. According to twenty four seven twenty four seven sports you know like they're a reputable dot com for me skies star wing in the class of two thousand twenty one amino muhammad is his name. He is a very heavy georgia. Lean so makes you think georgia lean by the way for it means something else i. It seems like a song from defoe adult. Yeah they are but there you have it like that could be the next guy. So maybe learned. The name now amina mohammed. That's going to be the mount rushmore. Complete of tom. Green wings is that we're thinking maybe having the final question wind is. Casey p somehow sneak into that list where we have. Tom listing out the guys that have made to the nba and he's like of course nba champion kentavious called pope. Five star recruit one in done guy last last thought on this Or should be mentioned. Georgia was absolutely horrible last year. Georgia stephen sixty georgia is going to be absolutely horribly. Eight new guys doesn't matter does it. Matter as as as we are learning. And the sec. Specifically with bruce paroled dominating our television screen during the draft. I don't think the sec basketball you're trying to win games. I think you're trying to win. Brand wars and we'll wade is certainly throw his name in a mixture. I think you're trying to win brand wars tom. Tom green is going to do that with the number one. Pick so keep an eye on that folks. Yeah and the final will say georgia basketball if you ever want to see a team where every single player somehow is left handed that the georgia basketball team they just. They're all southpaws. So that's another fun. Ritz that's green recruit strategy coach. Nada used to say he wanted to guys are skinny ankles. He likes he's like i go left-handed they can't handle the guys guy's closing out there use to closing out against right handed guys so we do left hand. Only we're going to get a lot more open shots coach. Green excursions were all right. We're going on number twenty four. This is more of a broad topic. But i feel like it's worth mentioning. What is the non conference season going to look like take. That's that's the question and it's a good one for this reason. Because i don't think i even really know. I don't think anybody think things are getting canceled. Teams are dropping out force majeure is getting thrown around left and right where has where. Where does it all the dust. Settles where where does it leave. Us is the question everyone has like. We know that the season starts on wednesday. What does the season start on wednesday. Like what what are we gonna see what we turn our televisions. So i made a list. I i went through. I did the research. I i honest to god. If you would've asked me before. I looked this up would have been like i think like zag please. Somebody raised like one of those first days. That's all i really know. So all the twenty fifth. The atlantis and south dakota that boy bowers classes. Yeah the what i call. Zombie atlanta because it was it is now. I don't even know if that's the right term anymore because like the teams that were that signed up for atlantis. It feels like none of them are still there. It's totally new group earlier. Just one by one of dropped out. Duke utah ohio state dayton in texas. A and m. of all pulled out at various points to this so it's west virginia create memphis which stay saint. Mary's their handful of others that nobody cares about. That's you to start on the twenty fifth. We have maui and it just came in to is also pulling out so the bad boys mowers really. Yeah you create this point so the list keeps climbing. I feel bad for the bad boys. There was obviously lead. Look at what. What a key west. Virginia's is there. Say working lighter right along the florida state just going to show up. The trump. it's a war of attrition. it's like you're the only team left. So there's that there is so the next that starts a twenty fifth on the twenty sixth and twenty seventh. We have the fort myers tip off and the branding of that. Maybe doesn't do anything for you tape. But maybe this will gonzaga's playing kansas on november twenty. Six that is that is a big time match up that is on thursdays so Be excited for that. Also auburn in saint joe's. You're going to be in that one. So there's that we have maui. Of course state and i will be in maui On the beautiful shores of of maui their national north carolina for the maui invitational as november thirtieth. I'll teams have sign up for that still in it. We got we got. Unc your tar heels. The the indiana hoosiers the texas longhorns stanford providence alabama. Unlv who. who missed. david davidson's. I i think that's there's maui. What else we got. We have the champions. Classic is happening. Still michigan state will be going to duke. Kentucky and kansas are going to be playing in indianapolis was on december first We have what else what else have the. Acc big ten challenge. That's a go so that's gonna be playing on campus so we have that. Oh the big one. This is the big one. i think. The jimmy v. Classic is december second in indianapolis it is baylor versus illinois. It is gonzaga vs tennessee. Those could all be. I mean by that rolls around if you told me. Those are the top four teams in the country for that event. That's that's plausible. I don't think it's going to happen but it's possible those are those are four very good teams. We also have the cbs sports classic. Our alma maters will be played each other Cleveland december nineteenth kentucky. Ucla that'll be. That'll be a great event. Yeah i don't. I don't know what gonzaga's play in iowa and a one off game december nineteenth gonzaga's plane baylor in indianapolis on december fifth. So we have a lot of good games is what i've seen like. I just wanna remind everybody because a lot of the news coming out as things are canceling guys are dropping out are. We're going to have a season as of right now. That's a pretty good non-conference group right because it seems like it seems like the narrative is that let's just get to convert season. This is an absolute as jeff goodman said many times over an absolute shit show but i don't know it seems like we're all right right. Yeah jeff goodman said to the world today as long as kentucky duke or playing college basketball is happening. And i think that i keep saying this you. I don't know if i get that. But i get that somehow and i think that's where we are. Yeah it makes total sense. And i think a question that you and i asked two years ago. Each other we talked about you. Know the battle. Four atlantis and the maui invitational and the champions classic in which you know then we had the pk. Eighty we had all these non conference these premier prestige tournaments. Whatever you wanna call it in all of them have subsided and only one rose to the top and it was petitional and they have everything held together. And i feel like as long as it happens as long as we get the maui magic as long as we see those teams playing in asheville. I will hope. And we'll be in the bubble for that experience so we're going to see non conference basketball up close and personal and we're gonna report on all the whole thing so that'll be good now coming here like It'll be about a week two weeks two weeks. We're leaving week. Yeah trying to figure out when the molly bump old the official shocking there get ruin their arch. That's all right number twenty three on our list. Mack mclarty is is now eligible at texas tech. We interviewed him for. I don't wanna spoil the interview. We he's going to be on the show on monday night on. F s one. We asked him point. Blake argue riffraff cousin. He gave us a point blink. Answer monday night to see what he says. So we're gonna use this what we're not going to address that because we don't wanna spoil it but we will address the texas tech red raiders. A lot of people are high on the big twelve is absolutely loaded as we know it always is kansas baylor west virginia good. But don't forget about texas tech. You're defending runner. Up national runner up. Texas tech red raiders still defending their. They are going to be a fun team they're going to. They're going to have a ton of wings. They're going to have mack mclarty. They're going to have every benson who's who's an absolute maniac who looks like he should be playing for west virginia. I love that guy. I think i think they got a brought in a couple of recruits to get some transfers. Yeah your thoughts. texas tech. Is the team right now. In america that is. I think what eric muslim was trying to do it. Nevada which is try to get the scrap parts of these other teams that have talent and then put them together in a house and say we're family. Let's all come together. One mission one goal. And i think with texas tech. I mean their mantra is a team is we want all the smoke and i think that says a lot about who. They are as a team for the older listeners. That means that they want to be pressed. They they don't mind to be an uncomfortable situations. They enjoy them. Actually they thrive in the actually Mac clone is white. Iverson came out right around the time. The postal up that song he goes to georgetown whereas number two felt like it just didn't quite live up to the expectations. He seems reenergize. He switches mag the number zero. That was his high school number. He was a state champion. Where a number zero hero fits like. It makes a lot of his attitude. His approach to the game. He feels like zero type of guy that just like has the chip on his shoulder. It was that would. Maybe that's what we're saying. Arenas where zero. Because he said he was as eurostar crew and like he just wanted to rub it in. Everyone's face said they didn't know anything agent zero. I feel like guys who zero do have a nice edge to them. That's yeah that's what. Math club is bringing to a texas tech. And i think if anything you and i have been astounded by crispier just becoming a stalwart in the game of college basketball when you talk about talk programs top coaches guys to be quote unquote afraid of guys to watch out for as we talk about shape egypt contenders and guys that could lead to big program. So i i think anyway you know regardless of what was happening with the players and texas tech they seem to rotate out because they bring a lot of transfers. Every year there is consistency with crispier. There is a culture there. So they're always going to be intriguing and mac. Mcclellan makes a little bit more flair there so and and in the same way. We've made the point leading up to the draft. Payton richard who we both love and we said he's not just mean like he's going to be treated like a team just because he's like a white guard but he's actually a very good basketball player. I want to make that point about mack. Lung he is. He's an excellent basketball. He's really just like a guy who dunks and wears allen iverson jerseys alan iverson's event and may or may not be refreshed guzzler. That's actually watch a play like. Oh that's right. He could shoot. He can like make plays like he's actually very good. He's he's going to be a problem. Well forgot about that. So yeah. I'm excited to see what this iteration. It's extra check is going to look like never to go ahead number. I was gonna say. I wanted to take this. You're fired up about this. Well we're in big ten country. And i feel like this is the conversations that need to be had because we had the seventy five picks that we needed to get to this point in time because it is big ten basketball we know what the drought is. I we talked about it ad. Nauseam every time that you and i talk about the big ten in general but number twenty two is illinois the best team in the big ten and then i'll add a caveat to that. It is the best team in the big ten good enough to be the best team in the country this year. Mark titus. well it's like. I told you the epiphany. I had that i i think. I don't think the best team. I don't think that's going to be the best in the big ten in terms of winning. The big ten is going to be the best chance. The big ten has a winning national championship. And i think the reason. I say that is because i'm just trying to throw as many lines out there. Yeah yeah that's good. That's good. I've destroyed to widen the net. But no it really feels like wisconsin is the best suited team to win the big ten but no. That's not what i said. What did i arrive on. I said illinois's the best team in the ted But wisconsin is going to be the best team for the. That's what i meant. Yeah i do think illinois is the best i think illinois has a star power to sue. Move to me. Is the best two way player in college basketball. If i could pick any guy like garza the best player obviously but there's a lot to be desired on defense but like the the guy who can if you ask to please please just collect this entire side of the ball and you told the sumo like i don't want you to shoot all. Just play defense. He could be the best in the country if you really wanted to. Or if he did the opposite. You're like hey just takes off on defense. I need you to score. Twenty five gave and be like done. You could do that as well. And then you've got coburn you got. Trent frazier your your namesake. You love him. But sean is. He gets a lot of flag like he he. He didn't have a great like he was down last year. I like the guy he's got my nose l. eastern turned into the right games. He brought some energy like saying his name. No shot villi. Like he's not he did it again. The the aditya got a big recruit to chicago recruit. I think we need to bring that up because that is always the thing with illinois. That's the litmus test like getting the chicago recruits and the answer is yes they got the four star kid at miller combo guard especially illinois's is basically going to be like four guards around coburn and they're they're going to be fond going to be like a modern offense. I think wisconsin is an old school big ten team. Iwa feels a little bit like that except with like more shooting i guess and illinois were a modern team. We're gonna play four out. We're going to have athletes rid of cobra down there On everybody yeah. I love it. And i was going to say i think you know illinois fans would like us to point out that the last time we saw iowa play illinois it was added illinois and illinois had just an amazing moment there and they kind of sit a message so they were riding high with the momentum. We talk about this team so the expectations are lot higher than they were last year. Last year was kind of like. Oh this is nice. Illinois seems to be back and you know brad underwood. There he has been able to create a culture that is illinois based the brand is ill illinois is not brad underwood base you and i find that fascinating when you're able to manipulate that it seems like it's a cool school to play at and it had lost a little bit of that because the cliff alexander and that was like the last out of And when you and i think of illinois we think of you know. D brown darren williams and roger powell and those guys two thousand five obviously so to have them in that place In the big ten nationally it's good for chicago. Recruits is good for everybody. This is definitely the best team since. Oh five said but they're not going to be as good as oh five but they're going to be pretty good. I am slightly worried about their debt. I will say that. Like i don't know i liked their starting five. I like basinas philly. I like saying his name. But shawna's billy i make fun of robbie hummel for state and then falling into the trap. Anc mishaan philly But i i. I don't know about their debt. But that might just be ignorance. I might not know a lot of the guys but like you look at the kind of kind of falls off after but you know maybe. They got some surprises. I don't know about. I feel annoyed. They're probably my favorites. Yeah we're we are bandwagon illinois fans. That's that's the last thing we should say when we talk about eleanor. We are all in. We're going to watch. we're going to enjoy. And we hope that they deliver because they're do a number twenty one on the list marcus. Cigarette sqi was snubbed from the preseason all-america team and i think if you're looking at the preseason all-america team and you're looking for a guy to take off the possession rescue in his place it's really martin probably I i would probably pick ruby martin whatever it was cool fares on a state fans to have that whatever but i just want to point out that is going to be a problem is he's he's going to be the best player in the big east is tie shaun alexander lebed creighton. He was their leading scorer last year. Averaging seventeen points a game went under drafted last. And that's bad in the sense that like you're losing a great score. Whatever it's good in the sense that that's a lot of shots now to go around a lot of a big vacancy in terms of playmaking. And you gotta be out of your mind. If you think is not gonna step up to task. He's going to be unbelievable. Especially in that offense and mcdermott's odd the way creighton Scores and gets down the floor. Like it's it's. It's a perfect match. Yeah and creeds. One of those teams that we talked about guys that have gotten over the mid major label and of entered themselves into the top tier college basketball creighton. It's not just because of the bag dropping that they've gotten to that sphere. They have been able to compete. They obviously had the doug mcdermott years and they've just had great play. Tie alexander was the guy that the god with the was. It was just a patent. I think so. Yeah yeah the center. Yeah yeah but i. I think i can't remember what your sixty two thousand fifteen something like that. Yeah i heard. I did hear the doug mcdermott Craig's coach was was like given illegal benefits. That doug mcdermott his whole life. He's leading them housing and clothes and report report. It choke sucked. Say that allowed. Whatever you say crayton is a lower case blueblood we're we're going to try to pander to create an as we as we talk about i instinct that i hate him because of reasons i i also think crayton is a fun bandwagon. Pick because i i part of the bandwagon power rankings. That i thought that goes into it is obviously lines. So you're looking at it like a situation with creighton. They haven't made the sweet sixteen basically ever as as my understanding. It's been a very long time since they've been to the sixteen illinois same sort of thing. They've they've been tortured in a lot of ways. Oklahoma state we like them because of their situation which will get to in a little bit but what what takes the next level for me is just gone just like a team. That's fine and i think crayton is on my shortlist of candidates to have the most fun offense. It's going to be like creighton. iowa has got to be on that list. Villanova probably yeah. I don't know who else maybe bail at baylor. Probably not because they. They're more defensive minded but like they might sneak onto the they might but yeah. That's so it's that matters because creighton's going to be fun to win whether they win or lose they're going to be fun to watch. We know that much. Yeah in creighton nebraska. I just want to point that out. I think it has the the next five to ten years. That's to be a great rivalry with hoiberg their nebraska. And i think the they they've played other forty four straight years or something like that. So there's history to that rivalry. And i liked the with creighton. Beat where they are as a quote unquote lower case blueblood i think nebraska going to get back to a competitive place and i think it's a good rivalry so versus creighton has been called before the seton hall. Rutgers of the midwest is what people are saying. It's a headline that i've seen. I've read now. Keeping it in the big east creighton is expected to play The the the the biggest threat expected to be the biggest threat will say in the big east to the team. We want to talk about a number twenty which villanova and your question is is is. Jay writes still top dog. I thought initially row is jay. Writes still top. Dill is our. I read pretty. It's the same point. Tony tony bennett has been over. J ray j rate is the man that every wife in america they see and they go he looks like a great guy and i liked that coach Jay wright had handled. And then tony bennett. Came and swooped away. But also i feel like jay. Wright is you know he could have been at the forefront and been the face college basketball if he wanted to but he kind of picks and chooses the spot. so that's why i asked that question. you know. He wants to national championships in three years. Obviously you know he. He is a dog as far as a coach but he he seems to be kind of children in the background. A little bit now. Wh- what's his. What's his brand play. As we were saying earlier having brandon college basketball is the move. Now it's not just winning games. The brain is do not will five stars. i think that after quarterly. Go there and they had the struggles. I mean every single time that villanova kinda gets the mountaintop. Get to a place where you know. They're bringing five star recruits. Things tend to go to hell and jay right Kind of has to reassess situation. Start finding grittier guys. That's how the jalen brunson era again. you know. even though jalen was a high guy. it was You know them going after much of five stars. That didn't pan out the didn't fit the villanova way And now they have been able to To been able to be in cahoots or in competition for some of the top guys and when they're in that position i don't think they feel comfortable there so i think jay writes just trying to the brand play is chill and just chill sit back let it and to have the villanova kids that wanna play their come. There will find them. We'll find her dante. Diva jimbo's in delaware. We don't need top-flight five-star guys that have you know. Shoe deals already signed basically before they come to villanova. That's interesting because for the longest time. Jay wright was the guy who would lose in the second round and then show up during the sweet sixteen on the. Cbs set breaking down the tournament for everybody and he was doing the media rounds in that regard and it does feel like and we haven't had a lot of tournaments since since he's wants to titles but if if i'm if i'm guessing moving forward villanova starts getting upset in the second round. Maybe we don't see jay wright as much maybe he's just like i was doing that because i was trying to get out in front of things trying to control narratives whatever now i want you titles speaks for itself. I'm going to chill. I'm going to fall back and chill. I think it's one of those. Billy donovan things because billy donovan won two titles. I think i've said this on the show before we want to titles and said he thought that everyone would say hey. There's two time national champion. billy donovan. Right there turns out. That's not how people recognize you. There's not like a cloak of Accomplishment that that sits around you and people don't treat you differently. Because you have that. And i think jay right not that he had that sort of a pitney but like you said i think he is content with where he is and doesn't feel looking to go. Do the bruce pearl roadside interview to get attention Villanova loses cdc bay Kind of slipped in the draft. I don't know how much we talked about that on their show. But whatever doesn't matter moving on They basically bring everyone back. I mean yes. I mean college. Gillespie is really the guy. Is the face. Justin moore robinson. Villanova the thing. You need to know if you didn't watch much villanova last year for you have you. Have you know you're not really into college basketball. You're trying to get into this year. You want to tell me about villanova Every guy that sees a floor for them basically can shoot. Three's i'd say cosby. Roundtree is the one who will get a little minutes but he only played like seven minutes last year game. so yeah that's villanova villanova creighton. Games must watch. You're gonna wanna watch. Those are going to be fun to watch. There's gonna be a lot of offense going on a lot of play making But yeah villanova is up there with with bathing aga- and In everyone's mind it's like those three and a half pick one out and that's we'll say that's the best team in the country and it does feel like villanova is under the radar this year with the talent pool that they have jeremiah robson. Erlich you mentioned he is a nba caliber player. I think colin gillespie is maybe better than archie. No i don't want to get ahead of myself. But they have a really good team so they have a real chance i will. I will say this though. I think their defense has to be a little better. I don't think. I don't think their offense is so good. I don't think this group villanova guys. They're often too so good that they can get away with not playing defense and granted. Their defense isn't awful. Their defense isn't iowa bad. It's not like absolutely horrendous lee bad but if they're if they're going to win a national title they got got to play better defense than they did. Last year i'll just say that we'll see their offense is their point. Yeah their offense is an explosive enough to get away with a few defensive lapses. They had anyway moving on. Go ahead out here yeah number. Nineteen you wrote this one. This is not mine. So i don't know. I don't think this is the headline. But according to mark titus and his sources north carolina loss ohio state at home by twenty five last year. I do watch that game covering my eyes In the for this section. I put in note. Zero knows just left to play. I just let the headlines. I tell the people about the tar heel state. Yes so the north carolina tar heels last year it did not happen. Go ahead and wipe that away. This is a minute black moment. The light get rid of it. Just don't worry about it. But also celebrate philanthropy fifteen in the draft. Congratulations to call anthony. Still a lottery picks a dude. Yeah it's a good day. So i texted my brother Gill who is the the number one. North carolina basketball person in the world. In my opinion the guy that knows everything that needs to be known in north carolina basketball circles. He said the real crux of what's going on. North carolina is the second best player on the team mark. Titus is day ron sharp. He is from north carolina the eastern part of the state. He is a big man. North carolina has a logjam of big minute. You know in the frontcourt they have garrison brooks guy who was ac Preseason player of the year. I have never ever in my life seen that. I i and i like north carolina basketball. I do garrison brooks never seen that. But apparently the the fellow media people have okay. he's there And then you look at Amanda becker who is showed some signs of life last year in the bahamas everyone was like. Wow this guy. Looks really good injuries against your ohio. State buckeyes. remember that kind of scary moment in Kind of wasn't the same after that. But he should be getting playing by. Walker kessler another freshman five-star. Let's go now going to get playing time in the front court. So north carolina's got a lot of talent but the two people that really matter is in the back court. Caleb love freshman five star point guard. You haven't heard a lot about him but he's got a lot of talent and next to him. Rj davis north carolina's going back to new york. The pipeline is back new york guards ago. Going to north carolina rj. Dave is going to take the most threes on north carolina. He's also a freshman. That's gonna open up. Leakey black my favorite player in college basketball to not have to handle the ball anymore to be able to play the three to be the traditional three indeed that he should be the silicate when he asked to this north carolina team as upside mark titus. I'm not gary guaranteeing anything. They don't like that they had to play at iowa. I think that's a tough draw. I don't like to play in your home. State and cleveland against ohio state. But i do like the talent. that's there. I don't see garrison brooks being the superstar that everyone else thinks he's gonna be but i do have hope in the heels. I think they bounced back. I think they make the tournament. I think there's when games they win. More than what eight twenty five or something last year. Yeah and twenty three. yeah no. i'm kidding that that that was the They were like fourteen. And i don't even know really i'd generally did. I wasn't trying to be funny. I didn't they won like fourteen games. I i would have to get that factcheck by the fox sports people here but i stopped watching. That was. We don't know i was done. I was in fact i will. I have north carolina fans of set with this. Because i I i am not in on the garrison brooks preseason player of the year bandwagon. Because i haven't seen it and north carolina fans. They've talked themselves into this. And i want to caution. All them day. Ron sharpe might be starting over him. By the time we hit jamie. Don't be upset when that happens. Don't be that's the north carolina. I have nothing else to say. I have no notes. I i i really wanted to mention stable but twenty say Let's talk about a team. The only team in this country that you know better than north carolina is the team. We wanna talk about it number. Eighteen go head coach k. Is at the crossroads bone thugs and harmony. Made a song about this We all enter these points in our lives where we try to figure out. Where do we go from here. What's next coach k. Dominated college basketball. He's dominated. acc is dominated tobacco road ever since dean smith decided to graciously walk away from the game and ninety seven. It's been coach k.'s. World but what's next. That's what the people are wondering for forty first year here At duke and add to reiterate that forty one years as the head coach of the duke. Men's basketball program. That's insane but this is the first year mark. Titus that the sellout streak will be over the sellout streak. Four hundred seventy two games dating back to november twenty six thousand nine hundred ninety. The streets is dead. The cameron crazies are dead. There will be no fans at cameron. Indoor all they do without the fans what would they do without the advantage of the fans in the building. I don't know. I think that this is going to be a tough year. Coach not happen. We just cancel the whole season. If we don't have shots of people paint themselves completely blue shake their hands in the face of basketball players. Those singing abba and yeah. Yeah yeah. Speed of crossroads like speed coach. Girls was not just that not just the sellout streak but zero first round picks. We have a this team is interesting. I don't i don't know a ton of eliminated. Last year from zillow tournament. people forget about that. I don't know a ton about this recruiting class. Brought in. And i think that's because i don't think this recruiting classes at great by standards. Like who do they. They brought back the big they bring back is matthew hurt. That's the more i mean it. It's one of the others. So i it's kind of. It's kind of like more or you know. There's some people that like joey baker. There's some people who like th there is a rally rob's mom some people talking jordan gold wires back but that's not that's not a duke nucleus. That's not a nucleus. You look at that. You say i. I like this team. So if you don't have that you gotta have a loaded recruiting class. And i gotta be honest. I don't know a single a single recruit. That's going to i. The single guy's name not a single one. So i don't i don't love that there's no jack white anymore Donald transfers. i mean. It's a lot of yeah who is best for crews like the best guy who's the guy that's gonna. I love this. I was like let me just pull up the list. Dukes besser recruit. Oh wait. i don't care. I don't care would no more Is is the only guy that can take the leap. I think in that group that really make a difference but matthew hurts the other one we in minnesota when he was getting recruited roy williams jalen. Johnson's the guy they got. They got some five stars. Jeremy roach dj stewart. I honestly i'm not trying to do stick. I have not heard anybody talk about any of these guys. Like the same as sort of truth. Kentucky's class but i've heard of. Bj boston like people talking about bj. Boston he's got all american good. We're going to talk about him a little bit but the duke. The this is one of the least hype. Duke recruit classes. I can remember right. Which is what. I'm talking about is coach k. At the crossroads. Because what is the answer if one and done is not the answer if he's not gonna capitalism one and done at florida state's going to outdo him a one and done if lsu's going to outdo him done creighton's going to outdo him at one and done and the list goes on and all these other teams getting in the bag. Then what does he do. Does he go back to the dan hurley route. That he's doing now. Which is i recruit northeastern kids that are hard nosed and tough and they wanna play. Defense defensive slapped the floor. 'cause he could do that and i think if coach cave made like a late life to the back to his original routes that would be great too But that's why i was at the crossroads. I don't know what one and done coach k. Looks like in the future and you look like you're you're confused by willing. Well i guess. I don't i don't wanna burst your bubble but it looks like duke has like four or five stars for next year for christmas so i think they might be alright. Hold on let me so. We got palo. Ben chiro from la aj griffin is new calcium. Yeah and then those three guys are signed and it looks like they got to other dudes that there that are heavily leans but whatever we don't want who cares. What is the five star. If you're not a first round pick you know what i mean and i think that There's a lot of mcdonald's all americans they get that status from was a five star. People forget he was really jack. White was a five-star people forgives. You know i'm kidding. That would have been the ones like. You almost believed it. You must have a number seventeen. It can only be one thing. Its longtime listeners. This show a longtime friend of the program. No that we we love this reference. The idea of xavier and or cincinnati being ranked seventeenth at some point in every college basketball. No matter how good or bad they are they always find a way. One of those schools always finds a way to be ranked like seventeen so number. Seventeen we just wanted to say. Don't forget about the crosstown. Now how we just did this segment at the top about all the non conference games being played didn't even mention the crosstown shootout. Don't forget about it people. I think the confusion came because in two thousand fourteen. We get the bra and We get zip up the classic moment and then we get the decision to play Basically at a neutral site for two years because they drop the shootout part of the name because they were like that promotes violence. Yes they classic class right across classic and then they put a sponsor on the crosstown classic and then they pulled the chili skyline chili. That happened and then they pulled skyline chili and then they came back and like you know what we're going to bring it back to shootout so good for xavier good for cincinnati. Good for that moment. Here's the backstory for this game and we can move on the backstory's this neither one of these teams are gonna be very good. I don't think i don't. I don't anticipate either one of them making the ncaa tournament. Love be proven wrong. Maybe one of them can be ranked seventeenth at some point to sure but we have a force mature situation tate. This is like a kentucky louisville situation where cincinnati was trying to force mature out of hosting this game because they they didn't wanna waste one of their shootouts one of their home. Shoot out games on a situation. We'll have fans there same thing. Same thing that. Chris mack was running into a travis steele said. This is the statement he put out. He said. kiss my ass. but trevor. Steel xavier head coach said. No we signed a contract. Take your force missouri. You can shove it. Were playing the game. So they're gonna be playing on december sixth at cincinnati fifth third arena. And listen neither one of these things would be very good but one of the great. It is one of the great rivalries in college basketball. It is the ravens steelers of college basketball. Where throughout the record books all that all that nonsense but also literally got into a fistfight. I can't stress this enough. That soviet picked up a chair. Yep and dropped it and it was given twelve games because the powers that be in the big twelve or like whoa. That was dangerous. What's happened yet gates crack open. Kitty freezes skull across shootout and the crosstown shootout people were like. That sounds about right. We're only going to give you a six game suspension. Let's par for the course. If you would've made a bleed probably would would you did so. We got indefinitely if he didn't believe. But you watch the out shootout folks. That's all we're going to say that's all going to say in coach deal The only thing. I had for this this whole thing. He had a great quote on corona virus. They've already had to deal with one top tier top level person having and having to quarantine whatever but he said you can get it anywhere you go to kroger's to pick up some groceries and you can get it you can even get it at chipotle. A nascar driver. Like i don't know i i was reading that story. And that was his co. virus. And i was like i've never seen plug other things that are probably killed. Were happy return. He's got the subway sandwich out of her foot. Long cold cut from subway subway. You're going to get your favorite bowl from chapel. Watch out all right. So we talked about zebra cincinnati. That is a good segue to a man who used to be the head basketball coach at cincinnati. He is no longer. He lost his job now. He lost it on his own volition because he said i no longer wanted be cincinnati. What i would like to do is i'd like to take my talents to westwood i. He's the head coach of your ucla. Bruins at number sixteen. I asked this question. Date does the city of los angeles belong to mccrone because many people right now hours saying it. Does there saying the lakers. Who cares dodgers boring. It's mick cronin stein. That's what they're saying. that's what they're saying. I i honestly will believe it when mick cronin wears the hat. Lebron has the dodgers had on the side. He has lebron land. We need to make up a mixed town or something like that. The same hat and give it to them because it will officially be mixed down. I think that the best part about macron is that he doesn't even want claim that it is his town he just wants to appreciate the fact that people notice you know what i mean. He seems very gracious by the la people embrace. You went to his first concert last year at the hollywood bowl he was like what is going on. What kind of event is this Coming from someone else for doubt as keeps hitting that thing in his hand annoys comes out what's going on That's that's the mccrone experience. He has taken over the city of entertainment May that washes and and enjoy is now the king and the capital of entertainment who would have thought Yeah i think it's great for la. I think preseason pick Number one to fit to finish first in the pac. Twelve is obviously a statement to make. Cronin's tenure year and it's all good positive energy despite the under armor a force majeure that's going on behind the scenes at ucla the ucla basketball program the players and the coaches and the coverage. I know you. And i are part of the coverage but it seems to be all positive which is Very different is a one eighty from what we saw. A lot of. It was weird like a year ago when he got hired. People were making jokes about it. And yeah i understand like what a dumb move for the school and look at it. Look at look at them now idiots all of them every one of them my thoughts cronin and you say first of all. I'll say this. Ucla brings back everybody. they adjani giuseppe. Who has a five star. That went to kentucky gift. Didn't get a ton of playing time at kentucky. But he's in la kid he's back in l. a. So maybe that will unlock something. He's probably gonna start for ucla right. Don't spend they only lost. Prince ali an older shinsegi. Who both of those guys were principally was the minus were not existed by the end of the season. A buzzer beater away. At usc joe matthews. It's a buzzer beater to be ucla. If that's shot doesn't fall the in the season on a nine game winning streak or eight games something like that. Same sort of narrative is wisconsin. Basically they would've they would've got shared the pac twelve so you have to make shots but you also have to keep the other team for making shots as it turns out so if they were one shot away from from a pack toews title last year. Anyway i wanted to say this is a real point. I wanna make eye on. Ironically do love mick cronin. I love that man. I become a huge believer in and not just because he's winning Just the way he's handling everything the ways like able to. He came on her show and and kind of laughed when we had him on last year. And i kind of asked him. I was like coach. Like there's no secret that you. Ucla seventh choice to be like no. I can't believe that. I was even on the list so i'm pretty happy about it now. He looked at me now. His whole demeanor about the thing is is so good. He's so much more likable than i thought. I might. my ohio state buys were getting in the way like i just saw him as an angry red man than coach. Cincinnati and all the cincinnati fans thought. Their program is good at the state. And i was like shut up and take your stupid coach within my attitudes but now that i don't have to worry about that anymore. I love the guy. I really genuinely do. Every time i've interacted with we've had on show a couple times now on I dunno god bless him. Yeah we we love you coach and these are the only two words that you need to know outside of what you all said It's jay common is it's a it's a year for jacomb and the man makes bigshots. Chris smith is the star of this team. He's going to be an all star. He's going to be Potentially top ten pick in the nba draft but jacomb is going to carry the people he's going to get the people going and I can't wait for ucla. Is jacob cabin magic. If there's there's no crowd for him to feed off of yes yes yeah he's gonna find a way all right. I'll let you take. But i've been saying to me. You know i mean this is a this is a good one because i think a of people we did these news and notes. We we like to bring up things that maybe you haven't heard before or maybe haven't seen one thing you haven't seen this fifteen in our shock. Smart has hair wait. what yes. That is true shock. Smart your head. Coach of the texas longhorns. He has a top-flight recruit and greg brown six nine guy. He has been so electric in practice. That's chaka smart is like. I can't even get my haircut. I need to pull my hair out because of the dunks at greg. Brown is doing in practice. He's letting go he's got a little frog going. it's it's a nice change of pace for shaka smart and it's very fun for us. Yeah a smart. Detectives brings everybody back this year. They had as you said five star greg brown there. There's a lot of expectations. It feels a little bit deja-vu it feels a little bit like like going into the season with texas basketball and we're saying like if not now when it's gotta happen now. We're not saying shock smarts on the hot seat. We're not saying rick. Barnes is on the hot seat and we're not saying insert whoever the texas coaches for the going back a billion years. We're not saying they're on the hot see but at the time has to be now tate. And that's that's kind of the narrative around texas right now as always is but yeah. They should have a good team they should be able. They are a big twelve as we keep saying is absolutely loaded They are. I don't know where they were picked to finish. I imagine v. I mean baylor. Kansas texas tech in west virginia all seemed to be better than them but texas is good enough to make a final for they are. They're they're are good enough team to make a final four. It's just you know we'll we'll i. I doubt it. They have their familiar faces. You know what i mean. They jericho sims. You might miramax coleman you might remember and and danger jones. Of course you jones is probably going to be their best. Three point shooter coming off the bench show. there is in kim. Palm has the ninth. I think i should know that. Because i mean kim palm. Is you know the the bible when it comes to college basketball rankings. In the fact that he thinks this team has the The veteran you know to nasty defensive ability to to to be a routine to content. And i don't know i think greg brown is gonna steal a lotta hearts this year. I i don't know why. Ohio is. Probably because i follow him on twitter and he posts a picture of him on ridiculous dunk every day. But he's he's different. Is greg brown. Greg brown a good name. No not a good name. I'm looking at it. And i'm just like is that is that it's like josh green. It's like not a good natured cunningham. Good name that's josh green. Yeah that's a good point. Josh green doesn't have the pop. No no get lost in the house. And there's there could be like even jaylon johnson that can you talk about. From the reason. I forget his name is because there was like fifteen jalen. Johnson's i know. It's hard to alex smith. It's like i know. Yeah greg brown. Yeah i'll root for who. I'll say this He's a local kid. He's from austin. I root for that. I will always refer guy that stays home for college. That's cool imagining. Grew up along fan. Now he gets to put on the burner engine go represented hometown school and all that so good on him. I just wish his name was like more sexy than rembrandt. But whatever so shocked a smart on the hot seat. I think that's what a lot of people wanna do is is we said he's not but he kind of is you always is. He's schrodinger shots. He was shocked smart. He's always on and not on the exact same time so number. Fourteen we are. We want to talk about the good guys guys who might potentially be good guy the year for us guys su Just kind of a hot seat. Update a guy who you fast forward to april lot of headlines. You're gonna come out saying he was a great man but it's it's time to make a change. It's to make a change and the question a lot of texas fans have wh. What's the shocking is. That is that plausible into that. Probably not. because he's fully guarantee. I looked this up i did. I did my research. His contract is fully guaranteed till twenty twenty three. So he's still. At the end of this year he would still have to fully guaranteed. There's no buyout compromise. there's no pay if you want him to go late. You have to pay him two full seasons so if you're going to pay him two full seasons you might as well make them coach. Yep because he's not that bad If you're going to pay him anyway you might as well keep him around. So i feel like he's i feel like he's not one of the good guys but we are using him as a segue to our good guys. Yeah and i will say. I mean six seasons at texas now. And he's had the the lottery success he's had the recruits. He's had the he's in the flashy players come through. He's had mogambo. You know his head. Jackson hayes and obviously greg brown now. So he's had these guys. I mean even we saw when they be carolina with kerr would rotate amazing game in vegas had these moments that strings. It out right. You know you beat carolina so be shocking. Doesn't big signature win for him. That was nice and then eight months later. You're like what's gonna shock. He has signature wins. You know the one shining moment of shock is smart. Tenure at texas is going to be amazing. There's going to be so many moments of like. Wow you're seven final four. This is unbelievable. All these guys that came through all the time is now. I'm going to say the times so guys number fourteen for us throw some names. Who who do you want to tell the people to keep an eye on. This is my cover. This is the poster boy The cover face for good guy of the year for me and he is a guy that recruited you once upon a time. So you see w his name's brad brownell. He's at clemson. I think that brad brownell. I think the dimming light you know what i mean if his career clemson came in zion decided to i think that was his lesson the turning point that was the that was the watershed moment. So if he gets. I on to come to clemson. And he gets that five star contract exactly the momentum is there and then you get these south carolina. I mean the the the talented south carolina's produced over the years. They did a graphic last night during the drivers. Kevin garnett all these guys right. So if bro heads ion and been able to lean on that like the same way that they're going to do with anthony edwards and time corinne and recruit that brad brownell role rolling clemson. They beat north carolina in chapel hill over the last year. That was a big moment but again. You know capitalized on that. People probably forgot that it even happened until i brought it up right now so that it really help as like a way to kind of boost him in the in the eyes of clemson's fans and then if you just look at the way the media does things i i do feel like when they do list brad. Pro is the perfect guy. That's just kind of in the middle. It feels like he's been on the hot seat for like honestly every single year. It's like it's like every time people go to write the preseason hotseat list. You start with brad brownell. You just do it on there and you don't even know the situation you're like well. Obviously brown gets thrown on their. Jim christian gets thrown on there. Which is my pick by the way jim christie at boston college. Still somehow the head coach at boston college. No idea how. I think. I wanna say boston. College was going to fire him if not for covid and and then they. They looked at the landscape and thought if we fire him. Then we got a hire new coach. Climate like he's got a new. Ad martin jarman came out to ucla. The boston college athletic directors athletic director three ucla. So there's going to be a new guy that stepping and other going to keep him around just because of the climate and all that stuff but then when boston college sucks this year. He's done because especially his contract. I think he's got ill. He'll have one more year on his contract after this year. Anyway it all is lining up for jim christian to get the axe. Yeah as twenty eight eighty five. Acc play. he is the ultimate version of a good guy because people liked jim christian people who say nice things about the whole point of a good guy. It's a coach. That's obviously on the way out but it's doing nice things to try to curry favor number. Thirteen moving along. We did our guys good guys. Whereas josh pastor is Is a good guy. The year reason that josh passenger is not getting far this year. I look this up as well. His contract at the buyout significantly diminishes next year so he can basically get fired next year. Not have any sort of you know dealings with his contract and they can be done with them so this year is literally a lame. Duck year for josh passer. That's why he is doing all the good guy. He's trying to put himself in a position to get hired somewhere else so there is a market for someone to do a website that just has every every power conference schools coat. Their basketball football coaches their contracts. Now how many years they have left and what their is. It just have a website. That just has that you pull it up and you could see an boom done. I don't know why no one's made less. I feel like gm real fm feel. Like i feel like college. Sports fans would be on that thing all the time. You a billion dollar idea. There you go. It's a free idea. Anybody listening to go. Take it under armour right now. Is building that to pay out there. All right number thirty. We did good guys to do bad guys. Uh specifically we're gonna talk about the the bag five as we have deemed them Shawn miller bill self. We'll wait mark godfrey bruce pearl. We've spent a lot of time talking about these guys over the ship over the last three years for whatever it is yes. There's kind of we're kind of running out of things to say but not really you never really run out of things to say with these guys. So let's do it this way. Tate of those five of the bag. Five which shot up to andy infield for we talked about him like finding a way to like disappear the picture he did it here. Today is probably on the list. But he's not because because bag six doesn't have the day. Save david of the bag. Five give me your your power rankings from Most likely to not be at his current job in five years So starting at the top the most likely is number one that the most likely to be most likely to not be to not be yes is most. Yeah most likely not be is an easy answer for me. And i think for everybody else and Everyone listening right now. It's more godfried and Mark godfried is number one when you think about his situation Number two in its very close neck and neck. Omos shawn miller shawn miller is right there. I don't think he's gonna be there number. Three peaking his head around the corner sheepishly smiling. We'll wait there number three. I think in fact he may get a better job in five years. He may move up Booze next on left is bill self. bill self. I it may just be at the point where he's done with the rodeo and five years he's like you know he's good and done with it and it's like i've done my part. I remember to get out of kansas. Read a blueblood land. I want to go back to my alma mater and just hang out and have a good time And then the last one on the list is bruce. Pearl right a number five. I think bruce pearl we just saw. He's already getting his it a yeah. He's got top five platforms at the nba draft. He's gonna be there. He's going to be fine And honestly rick pitino was are plus one he is. Es don send our situation. Yeah i think ric pacino's here ten years you know. He's not in the back. He's their enemy. He's trying to kill. Yes yes one of them but he's also like trying to kill them because his dream is to have all them on his staff. We're not tino in these guys right next all right. Here's i see it. I i i see where you're thinking with godfrey but i think godfried i think godfrey it is kinda lake. Found a sweet spot. I think godfried is like i i could. No one has any idea what my record is every year and my ad loves me. And because i. I am a big name in college basketball. And i can like you know i can. I can wear a suit with no tie. And no undershirt unbutton the top four buttons and then have my gold bracelet on my left hand and just like you know. Have that whole vibe going. So i think number one is shawn miller because if it's not the fbi gets them if it's not the ncaa. The arizona fans are tournaments someone. If he's not winning like he's in trouble in that regard like there's been a a clamoring for like i don't know maybe one final four shot at some point. So he's he's he's getting from all angles. I'll say that that's the issue is shawn miller for me. Number two will wade. He's he he Image in shawn. Miller is that that i don't think lsu fans care how much i think they're excited about everything but he's still got to be up there because he is most likely to just have the hammer drawn. I don't think he has the the infrastructure to protect him like shawn miller. Does i think. I think he if one of these guys has to go down for everything that happened. He's he's going to be thrown to the wolves he's the guy then. I have godfried. Because i think godfried is is trying to strategically stay under the radar. It's not really working. But he's trying. And then i actually see bruce pearl above bill. Self i think bruce pearl's more like i think bill self is not going. I think bruce mill self was more likely to retire before the fbi thing happened now. This happened now. He's like tell with you. I'm going to coach till i'm ninety. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to be a kansas but i don't know all right finally before we take a break at the our mark. I'm done trying to make these go fast. Brad guys. we did guys we did. Bag is it's time for. Brad guys The brad update is this brad. Calipari is back. He is twenty four years old. He is still at detroit mercy. He averaged six point one points per game last year. One point one rebounds state they are The detroit mercy titans will be playing at kentucky at rupp arena on november twenty seven so circle your calendar. That's like a week away next friday. They're playing averina calipari versus cal perry There's that so that's one brad. Update number two brad. Davison also back for the wisconsin. Badgers aka to wisconsin buzz cuts. I don't know if america's ready for this. I really i really just don't think america's fully re i think people kind of know the bread davidson is about to be a senior but i don't think they they're gonna come to grips until they turn on their tv. And they see wisconsin third in the country. Brad davis is out there taking charges. And they're just going to be like what the hell twenty twenty hour. How how did this happen again. and i. it's kind of the interesting part is like would you look at brad davis i break keller is a in the show we we enjoy the fodder in the commentary. He would at one time. Kyle our producer and that was the funniest thing in the roads ever happened. So we love breakout on program. Brad davidson i mean. The real question is a simple one. Is he a hero. Is he a villain. The wisconsin badgers fans. The big cats of the world would say as a hero. He's man that's willing to to put his body on the line for badger basketball. Who who are the biggest Give me your list of villains in college basketball. It's not brad davis and who else would it be. Well number one every single year. He's been doing this since nineteen eighty-four coach k. number one villain. Who would have thought guessing this company he's definitely at the top of the list I honestly think. I as i was going through villains it was harder to find villains. I found a lot of heroes. In fact rick pitino made my heroes list. So we're potatoes like an anti hero. He's like a walter white. Yeah it's like we're we're kind of pulling for because we we've seen him fall to the bottom but now you're pulled for but man you hate yourself for pulling for around pearls villain bruce pros referrals. Avila bruce boroughs avail. And we'll waves avila sean millersville and i don't think dude flares i don't think matthew. Iv can make the you say the white guy do. But i met you her like the players on duke or the bill coach k. If you hate the white guys duke. you're stretching. I just wanted to say that this year like it's not they're not able to me I think cade cunningham's a hero. I think i think he'll be easy to cheer four Josh langford how about him. I'm michigan state like all. He's been through zero Andrew jones Talk with david duke on providence. Having to named david duke and defying all the odds. Everyone's like euro leonard. Hamilton up cheered for him coach ham. He needs to go to the final four. We need to get him there. Lugar garza i don't know. Is there a chance of gonzaga. Turns into villain. They're so good. I know our top team. I could see making that. They're the i team that everybody hates. It's never won a national title exactly apps because they've been so good. Genie got a little bit of that before they. Here's here's the point though. We had bread davison. We talked to him we we we call them because we wanted to talk this out with him. Brad you're you're a villain basically. You're going to be the biggest villain college basketball. How do you feel about it so we got him on the phone. We we got him over zoom. I mean we talked about this and the upcoming season here. Here is brad davis in his own words talking about be the biggest villain in college basketball quick break to get a word from our sponsor nitsa. 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We have you on the program because yeah you are entering your senior season because i think a lot of people around the country are pulling their hair out there like one more year this kid. Are you kidding me. You're an old friend of the program you came on a couple of years ago. We've had a report for a little while. Some things have changed since then. You've built a reputation as a guy who's very hated. You get asked about this all the time but we haven't really talked about it in a few years so as you're set to enter senior season tate and i were talking about this. We feel lake. Duke doesn't bring a lot of guys back. this year. You wisconsin you guys. Want to share the big ten a lot of expectations of madison. We feel like you might be the guy that people hate this. You're are you ready for this. Are you ready to wear this. You're the guy in college basketball. The people hey. I think you know i'm looking forward to it and i think it's kind of a sign of respect. It means join a good deeds. I think that's the one thing that i'm looking forward to. Everyone's gonna miss the whole crowd. I don't know what i'd do without an opposing crowd without hearing chance it's going to be your territory for me so i'm looking forward to go out with a bang and brad you fueled by the idea of being a villain because i know that there's some teams that they like to be that way. Remember the heat early onstage. Said that they are the villains of the world but it doesn't seem like that is your mo at least 'cause you're so nice to us we we think you're a hero and want to put you on the side of heroes. Yeah what's going on. Where's the disconnect. What's happening bread. Deathly not something. I tried to feed into or vibe of cuts on that. I wanted something that just kind of happened. And then i got. I got myself thrown into that reputation. Definitely it's not lying person. You don't step on the basketball court. I try to do everything i can to win. And i always try to us from team so dire leflore taking charges plan as hard as i can Let's just how is brought up in the play the game and so i try to control what i can control but definitely being the villain or vilified. Not on the checklist things. You gotta make the most. I to be the first person i assumed. Ever compare you to greg oden for your your basketball but remind me. You remind me of greg in this regard because greg ode like the kindest most gentle guy in the world like when you're hanging out with them and then he steps inside the lines in a practice he just wonder if everyone's head off even his own teammates like he would dunk over guys that are like trying to grab the rebound with him and he. He just didn't care. So i understand the switch but part of you has to understand break at least get you to admit that like you understand. Why like maybe isla fangio minnesota fans don't love you can you. At least like i get it but like who cares about them. Definitely understand there you go. Yeah coach sky gave you a flex. La understand why they would for supply player wisconsin. And you know we're that. Say a lot of success. You've got the troby people listening. We don't zoom call brad. Pick the one spot with all the trophies in the background. Sned on us. It wasn't my decision. You win a big ten title. Zoom calls. I've been on some really good teams here so you never really liked your opponent and then when you see somebody that's you know you get a little too familiar with the face so the too familiar with how you play. Read definitely see where it comes from. But also i know what my intentions are. I know why i play. The game would never intentionally do anything to try to be built side So just control can control lady said it is a sign of respect that basically means if you get to this point of basically means you were starting as a freshman early playing big minutes as a freshman and you've been on a lot of really good teams for a long time which i guess is a good spot to be. I guess i'll take that part And brad we have to ask you talk about you. Know you're not trying to be vilified but the moment that everyone. I think the pinnacle moment of the brad davison experience was the five charges against nc state in the acc. Big ten challenge. Everyone remembers that going viral. You know you take in the game. We had him on the show. The first time i take two thousand eighteen. So that happens. This is your last hurrah in college basketball. This is your last chance to one up that moment. Can you take six charges in a game. Can you do the mj six when you do it. That's what you gotta do what you promised. All the scores table august the crowd. That's fda yes yes just shrug always want to make it on sports center and be in the top ten. I'd never thought it'd be forgiven a game. But can i get six. I've never actually gotten five charges in games quite a few times going back to high school and youth traveling basil games six. Probably the record. I not gonna make any promises but i. I'm sure i'll try you are you. Are you the kind of guy that hates it when people take charges on you because it feels like they're using your weapon against you. I feel like. I feel like you would be super upset. Guy takes charge. You can't do that to me. I do that to you. A little bit of that coaches like how can you get a chart. They should know better that. Yeah yeah not personally. But i think i get a lot more slack if i am on the wrong side of a charge. Because like your your brad davidson. I shouldn't happen to you. And i'm like well i'm not easy. Forget before we let you go brad. You're sitting in front of all the big ten titles all the all the nets. All the you're showing off the trophy display wisconsin. Obviously you guys want to share it last year. Coming into this season there seems to be the narrative of the big ten a three horse race between you guys illinois in iowa and you just kinda put them in a hat. Draw them out. I am not high on wisconsin. Because i'm just shooting straight iowa has look garza love him illinois has who we love you guys. I felt like you came on strong late. But like you didn't show me something the entire season so a two part question number one. Why did you get so good. Sit too close last season and number two. Can you make me a believer in wisconsin. This year that. I should buy another wisconsin stock and think that you guys are gonna repeat his victim champions absolutely i can stride make a buck. I wasn't my decision to go in front of the big ten times just to reiterate calls so think we really turn it on because we bought into our baxter against the wall. We had to leave it all out there on the floor every single night. Otherwise we're not going to be where we wanted to end up And i think to answer your second question about how. I look garza illinois. Has i on these big names. I think that's the reason why we did. So well is that we bought into our identity that as individuals. We weren't going to be big to jams but as a team as having five six seven guys averaging ten to twelve points we'd be tough so in order to try to sway your pick to picking the badgers. I'd say it's much more consistent to win. When you have five six seven guys that can fill it up. I think it's different for. And i think that's probably the most wisconsin badgers basketball answer. That is yeah. You're giving me like you're you're basically saying like we are quintessential big ten basketball basketball. The way to my heart brash by heart. it's working. Well thank you for joining us. How fish ago this summer by the way it. How do the coronavirus effective. The fishing fishing was great. That's actually every. Saturday turned into like wildlife hunting day with my parents. Take the book go to different lake and we went wall until the memories from twenty twenty summer i players to come up and fish i was gonna surprise is is gonna show from my fishing pole and be like let's go and a little cold. The next six seven months we can celebrate gonna happen title. Yeah what do you have one workshop you behind. You come up brad. Best of luck. We'll have you back on Throughout the season maybe we. You're you're you're wearing the villain role. Will i will say that you're not. You're not really helping you come on now. You're making yourself more hero. Every single time shot me. God bless you man how far your senior year enjoy the process. Enjoy the ride. Thank you guys. Quick break to get a word from our sponsor. Del exciting developments are in emotion. Dell is officially giving out the biggest deals of the year for black friday and there's free shipping on everything. Yes everything whether it's for work school or fun. Dell has you covered with doorbusters every weekday accelerate all that you do with next gen. Xps alienware machine powered by core processors. Plus this huge lineup of premium tech is up to four hundred dollars off. Call eight hundred buy dell or dell dot com slash black friday. That's eight hundred. Buy dell All right brad. Coming on I wanna say this i. I don't think he's gonna sway anybody's opinion. I think if you hate bread davison before that interview. You're gonna continue to hate him if you if you're wisconsin. Van ready loved them. Whatever but i just want to point this out say a when we reached out to him we told him we wanna talk to you about being like the whole point of us. Avenue on is you are the most hated man in america in college basketball. Would you like to come on and discuss that in the man said yes so that in my mind like that's the that's the that's something like a lot of people would cower away from that to be like. Why would i wanna do that. Why would i want to talk about how many people hate me. And he was like yeah. I'll talk about it. What has fun with it. I mean he is always had with he you know. He's said that at one point during a sophomore year. Kinda got to but then you know he kinda got over it and learn to embrace it and love it. I mean you. And i were on the internet. I understand what he was like. You know the haters. I'm gonna cheer for bad davidson. I don't care. I felt about it like last year. He he he did has some moments where you're like man a little dirty brad. What are we doing. clean it up. But he did see the kid he wants me over every time it comes on the show every time you talk to them. You're like i can't hate you. i'm sorry so. I'm sorry america i'm gonna davison until he plays ohio state and then he takes seven charges your like. I think i'm done with you back on the show brad. You're cancelled would you do all right. We're good guys. We've done bad guys. We've done brad guys. It is now time for cows. guys john. Calipari head coach. The kentucky wildcats his eyes on draft night. Let down a little bit. I maxi was the first guy drafted. What was he twenty first. Twenty three hundred twenty first draft pick john. Kelly periods ever head kentucky tenure where he has not had a lottery. Pick that streak snapped but we look ahead tape. We don't look behind. We don't we don't believe her that what we need to do is look at this team that he has now are. These kids are these guys And i think these are his kids. I think this is a year full of kids. In fact when he was talking about tyreek maxine emmanuel quickly last night he mentioned kid a few times especially with quickly and we know what his coded languages we know. A calipari is all about. He has bj boston. You mentioned that name. That's the name of the guys that are the five star usual. Kentucky prospects were accustomed to enjoying but calipari is kind of pivoted. You know what i mean he gets re travis to come in a couple years ago and that was even last year right or is that a couple of years ago a couple of years ago this year sar jacob top. Who is the brother of. Ob top and the number eight picked to the new york knicks last night. So they have to transfers it a big deal that i think are more interesting than the five star recruits that are coming in but i still like every single other year. Just like coach cow. We have to see kentucky play before we get an identity. And i think they do too. I mean we saw that with tyler. Herro team they had to figure out. There was some growing pains so in general cows guys will be kids. I think until we get into conference play and that's The usual recipe for success. The one the one name that people might know that came back is key on brooks. He's he's a he's a hoosier i think. He's from indiana but yeah it's it's a lot of new guys. I don't know i don't know how libya sars probably the biggest name. He was a preseason. All american apparently so they have to buy by tells preseason all-america up. Yeah i don't know how cal's gonna do this dealing with a bunch of new guys. I don't know if he's out for this but we'll we'll find out. I don't know john cale. Period has what it takes to coach newcomers moving on number. Ted i ask you this question tate. Because i think we're we're starting to split. I think this is becoming a rift in this podcast. Who was the better hauser. Is it sam houser. Who is missing piece. All the virginia federal sane of this is the offensive threat. We needed now that we have this. We are going to repeat with a year gap as national champions. Because we have tony's defense we have the system works we just need a guy can give the ball to go get a bucket. I said on a show like a month ago. That sam was the better house brother. I caught a lot of flack for michigan state fans. They said you're out of your damn mind. Joey is the better brother and back. Not only is better than sam. Joey's better than any other player michigan state. In fact joey was the best michigan state player last season on the team including xavier. Tillman a cashless. Whitson he just wasn't eligible because he transferred him. In fact jodi effect mopey came to practice. Magic johnson statue would put up the joey hauser. What michigan state fans very very high on joey hauser. Joey is two years younger. I believe than than sam. Sam is the older brother so i am the younger brother with my brother. So i you know maybe you could talk me into the younger brother being better. You know which is the better hauser. But that's the question we're going to find out. I guess yeah. I am also a younger brother and i believe in the younger sibling theory which is basically the younger. You are the more yet to play against older longer. Meter better people than you and therefore you adjust to get better and get beat down and michael jordan got beat up by his cousins all the time and he said that he jumped in the air and hung in the air because his cousins would eventually hit the ground and then he can take a shot and those are the things that with younger brothers but when you ask the question i did my research i Have not podcast. I am not a sam. Houser necessarily believer I would like to see it before. I believe it but apparently virginia fans they don't wanna put up with that but i i dug in did my research. Huff had to say this. About sam houser. He said i think sam houser will be a nightmare. All caps for opposing teams next season. Tony bennett said that he was the second best shooter on the team. Jason wolford assistant coach and team said you know he was competing with tony bennett to see with the the best shooter on tony bennett. Of course you know still holds the record for twenty minutes team. Yeah he's the best year old. The head coach. Tony business is the best virginia but the the second best shooter virginia is sam houser apparently And i think that says a lot about sam houser being able to one compete with tony benn in two already declaring that he he himself said he was. The best shooter game. I like the confidence of sam. Houser i like the faith and belief from his teammates I have not seen any of this myself. So i'm enjoy. I'm i'm gonna get my popcorn ready. And and see what i see from sam houser but my answer is sam houser. My answer is the older brother. Oh i would like to go younger as a younger. I'm gonna go see him. I'm going to go saying. I believe in same as well but Machines laffin start garlic to hear that they're not gonna like to. The point is both of them are very good very very good and they're both going to be all conference caliber guys and to the best conferences in college basketball so that is interesting. And they're not playing i. I liked that. They both transferred to different schools idea. That makes it. That makes it interesting. It gets a little annoying. Sometimes you get the package deal brothers. And you're like that's not fair that that school gets marquette gets stanford gets the lopez twins twin the morris twins in kansas. It's like yeah. Let's break it up a little bit. The comparison twins this lot of twins in college basketball and twins Speaking of virginia a couple number one. The virginia coaches beat the players in their annual softball game. The players the coaches for five straight years and then the coaches have since since the national title virginia won national title. The coaches have now won two in a row. So i don't know if that's a great omen going into the season. That i would say no. I would say Related virginia basketball. Never forget kyle guy said check. Dm and mike remember. I know it wasn't you but it was you you twitter. So you're yeah. Kyle's guy you not his guy this week. Those are the only virginia notes other than the fact. Yeah tony bennett. Is you know tony. Yeah we gotta move it along. We don't have time. sorry virginia. We've only we've only spent the last forty years talking about you. Yeah i'm sorry we we cut you short this time and you know it you go ahead number nine. This is your pick. Yeah number nine I mentioned it when we talked about teams. We're going to band wagon. This team is I think a very fun team and it comes one player and his name. Is john fogelson and the mantra is easy. it's simple it's gift fucked up Let's give focused. This man is energy. This man towns from art in north carolina. He is a mountain man to say the least he is great. William said he was the best player in the frontcourt with him as a freshman. He had some injuries. Some other things you know some playing time a lot of a lot of a lot of things that happened but now he's here he's back. Rick barnes is very excited about focusing season this year. Things are to break. Oh you're east. Ponds is back Tizi in general has a lot of optimism last year That wasn't the case we've seen scofield leasing grant williams who have mentioned they're all gone they're all in the nba but fogelson is still there from that. You know a classic guys that Kind of reset. The program for rick barnes and i think this is the year he finally breaks out so. Just pull the radar. Let's get fucked up. Dr cooper's all american pick four kherson john literally josh mcroberts wilkerson. Yes exactly exactly. I think that's why i love him. So much mc bob. And i'm like this guy. This is who we need. That is you on whether i was watching his highlights. Good today. I just went to youtube four because i was like. This guy is josh mcroberts. Yeah he's and he has an attitude. Sue like he's kind of he's very ryan. Josh mcroberts left added like josh. He's like every he plays like giannis. The point forward. You know everything about him eve ponds donkey as you said. That's that's kind of more than just add like he would be upset that you reduces identity. Just a dunker bullets. When you're when you're jumping out of the gym like he does You know i'm sorry. I'm sorry you're going to get yet we're going to say hey you're a dumper Yeah i i. I like tennessee. I don't like it as much as i like to. Grant williams admiral school. Scofield how can you. How can yeah. It was a special time but we should also point out. That tennessee plays gonzaga. We saw them play the jerry colangelo classic in fee next couple of years ago and that was when scofield at thirty points at twenty five one of the country and the tennessee took over number one. That game yeah exactly. So scofield didn't goes into stan's and he's with his parents or great buys hairs. Who's there it was. Yeah it was a great day. So i just wanna say that's going to be. I remember jerk jerry. Glanville all right number eight. We're talking about the kansas jayhawks. My question is this can they. Can i can marcus garrett can can somebody could david mclaughlin. Make an offensive leap. I'm more like i. i really really liked kansas. i liked kansas. Kansas to me is by far the best blueblood of the kentucky duke carolina kansas foursome. I think kansas is the best But there are some questions about three point shooting. And i know they got. They got bryce tops in a five-star who is apparently a good shooter. Get a christian brought the bench. Jalen wilson could get he's Richard lester is pretty high recruit Maybe he can shoot a little bit but this is a problem for kansas last year. They were. They were two hundred and fifty nine in all of college basketball. It made threes per game. Two hundred fifty nine eight. That is not good for team. That is. I don't know if you've heard basketball now or shooting. Threes report shot has been introduced to game. Teams are shooting it. They two hundred twenty fourth year before that basically went devante grabbed left. Kansas kansas as a whole went away from shooting threes. They had yokosuka. We should bring up that point part of the reason they went away from. It is because you have adobe house boo shoots like five percent from the field down to him let him dunk. That became an offer. That's always been bill self staying feed the post but yeah that is my that is my is put on my serious analysts cap. By the way. I just felt myself. I like this. I like that. My bill reiter. That's the big question for me. Is i think that is the one the one question mark. Because they're going to play great defense. I love mccormick As as an interior big man in a bill self is so great coaching. big guys and all that But but they need off. They need guys that they can give the ball to and say. Go get a bucket And it's got it's gonna probably have to be roger your garrett right. Yeah i was gonna say. It's it's definitely going to have to be probably geared. I garrett is known for his defense obviously but he's got some more expectations that's going to be put on this year. I mean kansas last year. If you were to you know push come to shove you. And i had to press and make a decision. Who was the best team. The nashville area. I'm sorry it was kansas. Yeah it was definitely can't especially jokes aside. It's definitely kansas and you see the nba respect. Azabu gay brings to the table and obviously dotson. Is i think a very talented point guard. I was surprised you didn't get drafted but it regardless kansas great team last year they are the best in the country. So they're already coming back off that this year balji is the one that has the the upside. That is probably i mean. We don't even know what the upside looks like. Because i budget has a lot of untapped. Potential any also has a lot of feel for the game like you watch kansas playing you walk. You see it like you see little moments where you're like joel. Embiid type to like when he goes on to the nba. He's going to blow up and kansas fangio. Be happy for him. But the same time super frustrated that we didn't get more tavern that potential foley joel embiid started become. Joel embiid like right around feb words and he started having an injury problems. And then you're like we were so yeah. I just wanted that guy. I just wanted the superstar. This could be the breakout year. And i don't know. I can tell bill self like last year at bow. What we saw bill selvarajah. He could tell to do anything. he seems. Like a very coach. -able kid and garett probably will be the star. Like if you ask someone who is historic kansas. They'll say margie. Scared but i body to me is the most interesting player on their team but Kansas going to be very good. I mean you you. You don't pay a lotta attention. You say how are they gonna replace dot and bouquet and the answer is marcus gary. It's going to be very good. Dave mccormick is better than i think. A lot of america realizes yes like yes. He was a very good interior coverage. Like only fifteen minutes a game. I want to for kansas last year. But he's very productive every time i got in there. He's he's good he's going to get. He's not going to be as good as as a bouquet but he's going to be fine so But they're gonna need some shooting. They're going to need some offense so what to keep an eye on number seven. Speaking of dayton flyers we were earlier dayton trying to salvage their lauch shining. Moment is is our number seven thing we want to have the shining moment. they did get they. I don't think they're going to win the national title. But we don't know and that sucks that we did have a twenty twenty tournament because dayton was far away our most fun team in college basketball last year. We love obi top and so much beloved the dayton flyers and there's a prevailing thought that they had their shot and now it's over and let's just cry about what we missed out on but to that i say not so no. This team is going to be pretty good. They're not going to be because they were last year. But jalen crunchers back. It'd be watson's back back. They have some pieces back to jalen. Crutcher like i'll make this analogy. It's horrible analogy of calling myself out on it already but maybe jalen crutcher. Ob top are like the diet. Version of shame. Baddie jay williams and baddie has now moved on and now we have jaylen and we had the keys to jay. Williams we say go and then e b watson is like mike dunleavy and roddy chapman is critical. I was. I would see far. This can go. But i i do like the idea of this being you like law shining moment with ob top end but it's not a loss moment in the fact that jalen crutcher is probably one of the best point guards in the country There's some people anthony. Grandma would probably argue. He is the best point guard. The country i mean. Ob he's so. Good that obi top and when he got drafted eight to the new york knicks at point guard because He put me in a lot of position to succeed. I think the dayton is a well oiled machine. I think they play a good of basketball. They're afraid of anybody in the country. They they're not afraid to pick up trapped press whatever it takes They're just fun team. We are frequent flyers. We enjoy watching the play. I know that we're going to miss. Obi top but i don't think they're going to miss a beat. I think that they're gonna still be really. They are yeah richmond's gonna be getting eighteen. Who else is good. Like saint louis is supposed to be pretty good. I dunno texts rusting. He's on top finger on the pulse. Eight ten he's always texting me rhode island. Yeah travel all they care about fats russell. Yeah that's probably what it is. Play play ohio state you cowards. I wouldn't say that all the day just pulled them all. Then i just pulled him on and then i said you're cowards. Playhouse state than a push him away. Yeah let's go do it. Yeah come on date happen all right number. Six speaking of guys missed out. At least this guy's gonna get another shot luke garza player of the year. The liquor guards a player. The campaign is our number six or number six topic Last year missed out because of ob top and and We're in a weird spot here today because now is forecast. Look looking into this year. We fallen in love with luca garza like thinking back on a last year and it's just it just sucks like the culture. We live in an especially if you spend any time on the internet. If you like one thing you have to hate the other and you just fall into these traps. I will fans hated obi top and they shouldn't have there's no reason to. Ob top was awesome. And then like you kinda like i. I thought it'd be the best player in the country. So they like. I'd iowa fans the fans attacking us so then all the sudden you put position where you've gotta hate luca garza and to that. I say all this is nonsense. I am excited for college. Basketball season record. Cheer for luca garza just as long as he's not killing ohio state. That's a fact. And i think a lot of fans i fans will be upset. Because they're going to be like wait a second lagarde's didn't even make the top five of the list number six top five but i will say luca garza we are on the train. We're excited to watch. I think that we enjoyed last year but he improved so much. You know what i mean. He his a- averages jumped up like eight point he just came out of nowhere. That you dig. It savor the experience. And i was houdini. We didn't get march madness. Kinda see where they stacked up against the rest of the country so this is the year that we get the full ride. I feel like of luca garza. So we'll enjoy. You have my word. Elephants win the rest of the country. Turns luca garza. 'cause they just get fatigue is going into the season. He is the obvious pick to when national player of the year. And this always happens every year. A guy like that and his position by the time february rolls around people are looking for an alternative. They're like i'm sick of hearing about how good this guy is. Gimme someone else to make this race competitive. You have my word. If luca garza's playing like he was last year and he's that much better than everybody i. I will not have luca guards. I will be the guy. That's like. I don't care if everyone's tired of he's amazing. Like look at the numbers you put it out twenty five and ten basically every night so no i. I hope i can get it done. Hope we can get it. Done for our luca. He's make a sound like his neighbors. Like james or something like to us. He's luca and it's like yeah literally everyone he's with us. I don't if. I love iowa. Though i mean as a whole just because the defense thing bothers me i like we camp. I do like we camp. I like ours. But they don't guard bohannon. I don't know how effective he's gonna be multiple hip surgeries. I brought this up before we don't need to. We don't need to beat in the ground. Just wanted to say one more time. I love lucy. Gaza not sure fall in love with iowa. Yup and their offense foof. They're going to be so good. Yeah they're going to be they're going to be on guard -able i will give him that all right. We've made it to the top five. Take out of gas here. Yeah i know. I was wrong for all the listeners out there. We cast yeah. We're losing our minds. This point but number five is simple and easy. And it's something that you and i the other day. We got a little excited about because it seemed like it was dead to rights but anyways cake cunningham the most exciting the best prospect in the country going to oklahoma state going to the cowboys and he is a preseason first team. Pick a lot of people excited about him but we learned the other day. We got some inside scoop that the bid is not dead yet. There's been a lot of remorse. Oklahoma state will not play in sibley tournament this year. It's a foregone conclusion but the appeals are happening. We can report that stop accounting. Yes stopped the count. Now let k cunningham play in march. That's what we're saying. There still is hope we wanted to. I think the story line is like the cade cunningham experience and then also story line of like trying to get them into march so yeah. We're trying to get the. We're doing whatever we can. We we are making this known and again iowa fans. Don't take the wrong way. We're not saying kay cunningham from national player of the year what we are saying kate cunningham for march madness. We are throwing the weight of our podcast. Whatever way that might be. We're throwing it behind giddy. Oklahoma state into the states or grit. Now i will say they have to win. Like i'm not i'm not get behind. This is ben simmons. lsu situation. Count me out. I'm saying if oklahoma state is brings the goods. Kate gun as good as advertised which he supposed to be. Six seven point guards. He's the floor can do it all. He's a six seven. Do it all point guard. Not a lot of those at the college basketball very often. So if all if they live up to the hype tate. Ni- are we just wanna make it known we are going to do whatever we can't get them in the tournament as you said as it turns out we were wrong. Oklahoma state if the tournament was today. They're in their eligible eligible. Because by by virtue of appeal you're eligible until not eligible Basically so now they're back to eligible until the final ruling comes in. So i don't i don't know i don't i don't know if like so. Keep string it out. Keep it keep. This is red tape season and tournament. If you're scratch your head you're said why would you guys here for a team that cheated. Why would have have a backbone. What's going on here. What happened at oklahoma state was not backdrop per se. Now they may have dropped bags. We can't prove it. I don't know who knows. It's college past the wild west. We don't know what's going on out there. But what the what. The what they're on the hook for is lamont evans assistant coach. Oklahoma state was steering players already at oklahoma state to financial advisers and agents once. They were already there. So oklahoma state gained zero competitive advantage from what happened and that is the reason we feel like this is ridiculous. That is the reason we think it's all we think it's wrong and ends asia. Do something about it. so just just as the backstory. that's why that's why we're we're. We're a team kate cunningham. We're we're we're team oklahoma state this year. Because if you told me if you told me that they pay cottingham three hundred thousand dollars in its proof. We have proof. And that's why they're knowledgeable than i would be like. Yeah we'd probably like. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah there are rules. I'm sorry you lose get out. But that's not what happened. At least it's not what they can prove so anyway. That's it number. Four number four simple easy. It is a league that we love and they're so neared our heart. The old big east is back. And i want to reiterate that the old biggies is back in it's simple yukon is back in the old big east praise to the old big e scott's the basketball guys themselves we have the magic we have the rivalries we have the history we have dan hurley. Will he take charge on another big east coach. Lot of people were saying that will probably happen This is good for basketball. This is good for college basketball. We're happy to have you come back. Yep you got us back. Spectate matt norlander. Cbs sports says that you is the eighth best program of all time of all time they are. They blueblood. I don't know i'll leave that to the blueblood experts but they are according to cvs the best program ever This is not trivial. You can't be back in the big east. I liked to ham it up when when the house was made in. You know i. I like to lean into the old big east chicken and all that sort of thing but i do think it matters. I think it is It we've been saying it all show tonight that that brands matter in college basketball the anthem. It's almost the branding. Wars are almost more important than the basketball basketball court. It having you back in the biggies. This is huge for them for recruiting. This is huge for the whole breadth. Excitement and stores like people ever yukon has. Maybe they stop being fans as the kevin ollie. Years wore on. And you look up. And you're playing eastern carolina and tulsa. You're like what the hell is going on eastern caroline y- carolina the idea of eastern carolina. There's even dismiss their blank. But you're right it'd be yukon is lane lane. What the hell happened. What happened where. Where's my biggies. Yeah what's going on your show where my biggies it's back. Yeah they're back And also the excited about yukon being back in the big east is that james. Both night is i mean. He's going to be a great basketball. He is good enough to win big east player of the year. I know handed out big east player year. David duke and marcus. Rousey already calling out to some guy's but put book night on the list he's got he's got shabazz. Kimba vibes on ball. Say a thrown out there. I'm not saying. I'm saying shades of kevin o'connor shade shades of they're not just shades shades of so in a. We're in a weird year. Twenty twenty when you're saying yourself what's the weirdest thing that could possibly happen. I don't know how about a yukon team. That's like not that good but has one really good player. What if they go on a monday march is that is that something you feel like. It's plausible. i don't know that before. I mean dan hurley. He's ten ten of the thirteen players are his guys on the team. He said that these. I have ten of my guys. In the locker room that his recruits now. So this is the dan. Hurley era is officially started at uconn. So i think that's going to be fun. I just gotta syracuse to get rid of football and then moved back to the sunday cricket. I think we're getting. I think at that point it's done or independent or like who cared the rule. Throw the rules out the window. Syracuse can be football. Acc anything is possible. Yeah yeah all right number. Three speaking of anything be impossible. I've asked you this question The big ten will. They win a national championship. Is this the year number three. Yes is this is the only thing that's ever mattered to me for the last twenty years i don't know know though the answer. The answer is maybe. I think there's this this year there's a higher chance than boast but this is the problem. The big the big ten is definitely going to be the best league in college basketball in the big twelve will be second but the big ten is absolutely loaded top to bottom and it is it is very very good but i mean is illinois. One in the national championship is iowa. Winning the national is wisconsin. Is this michigan. State team went in the national jet. No probably not and that sucks because kid they make it to the next yes. We've we've seen that overnight. I think five of those teams in the big ten could make it to the nashnamie six different schools seven different times. The big dense since two thousand has has made it to a national championship and lost That doesn't even include butler. The two years they went which at the time butler felt like a big ten little brother. You know little indianapolis schools. A big ten country will count you. All the big vans. Were like sharon forum. Yeah that'd be cool to see duke or uganda and then they lose as well both of theirs. Iowa has the best odds according to vegas insider dot com there at ten to one their number three in the country. I think it's like villanova and gonzaga the top two and then it was number three so that right there just already worries me. Vegas is iowa's the best shot. The victim says i would doesn't play defense. Yeah i was gonna say illinois illinois to me is the best shot and But that's still at seven guys. So let's let's let's widen this net west of the mississippi or big ten. Let's put all the droughts together. The the west of the mississippi won only been twelve years. Because kansas wanted to wait but is one of those is going to get broken. West of the mississippi is going to be broken. Because i think gonzaga has a real shot. I think it'd be shailer alert and just again even would count. Ucla ucla just one. Yeah we need we need. When you guys need one we need illinois would be the one illinois would be the one i think debris in college basketball back in the mid. West civility won the national championship with coffee. Coburn and i would assume oh that those guys are so likable and they're so electric it would be such a moment for college best. Call myself. Everyone throw this back in my face. 'cause already know what's going to happen when another big ten team wins the title and i'm not happy about it. Please throw back in my face. Signs that i wouldn't michigan if you're jeff in four years i will make sure to bring that up. Yeah please bring it up. That i've been saying for twenty years. Do anything just to see another big ten title. And then purdue like illegit perdue wins get. He's outta here. This will not come back. Pain hold up trophies like him. That's the way i that's the guy that no yeah. Yeah there's no scenario world be happy listed the state but at the same time as it stands right now. I just want to see the big ten one right bass game breakers would be mad. Let's let's get off for the health of the sport though big ten please one one number two. I'll take this is scott. Drew good coach date question. I've been asking baggers since. I've been paid to cover college basketball. Been throwing this question now. It gets people hot steaming mad. You see the steam coming out of their ears and you don't know which way it's going to go people you throw the question out on the internet. You say is scott drew a good coach and the the the replies will start with. Are you out of your mind dude. What an asinine question. And you read to that point and you still don't know what the guy's going to say if it's okay can do because as a reminder scott drew has by the way i saw this on the three-man we've our good friends do they. Do they do great work. They have They do these preseason previous as well where they type up all the information all these teams. They wrote out their baylor preview tate and the first line of the preview of the baylor outlook this year reads scotch rupaul chair. You've officially admit you're you've been officially admitted to the elite coaches roundtable. So they're saying not only is he good. He's elite and to that. I say scott drew has never won a big twelve regular season or tournament Ever and his entire career never want a power conference title of any kind regular season or whatever also never made a final four. He's he's by. Far the i'll give him that he's the by far. The best coached have never done that. he is his eighteenth season at baylor. And he's never done that. He's oh for seventeen on winning trophies. Big twelve trophies. No power conference school. No power conference coach bennett. Their school. that long and not wanna concentrate the not even close. This is the second closest. Are you ready for this. So no one's been at a school power school for eighteen years and not one one like mike bray was closed but he wanted acc tournament. You know so the second longest tenure sketchers going on his eighteenth year the second longest into power school with no conference trophies is a guy going into his eleven th year. His name is brad brownell. Oh that is the company. You're keeping score. Yes so you're telling me one on one hand scott drizzly on the other hand. He's doing things that he's a good guy. Yeah brielle knell has not wanted trophy at eleven years of people. Ready to fire of sketchers. Been there eighteen years. I dunno date. I'm just asking is a good coach. We're gonna find out this year. I think this is the year we finally. I think it's the greatest question in college. Sports like you said. I think twenty ten was the the moment that scott drew and baylor. They played duke in the elite as they had a real chance in that game they could have won that game. If that happens they go to the final four. We never had this question brought up again. Scotch drew is at the elite roundtable. But i i can't put them at the round table right now i This is not the time he's at the kid says he's at the kids table. He's an elite coach but after kids. Table's what i'm going to say. 'cause baylor is going to be very good tate bay. There's going to be a national title contender. They were last year. They brought basically everybody back. But freddie gillespie there's a lot to like about baylor we've been here before yes yes so. Many times fingers crossed come on coach. Komo coach drew. We did it though. We made it all the way to number one. Yes this is. This is simple. This is easy. This is the number one story line. This is our number one Thing that we will be watching and focusing on because it was taken away from us a year ago or even this year this calendar year. We have to say this. We will write it down the board. The chalkboard has many times we need to. We will go full bart simpson on this thing. There will be agency double a. Tournament or will be there will be. Ncaa able to tournament. there will be incidentally the last two weeks. I wake up every morning. I stare in the mirror. And i say over and over to myself there will be an ncaa. There will be there will be there will be keep saying it data yourself. It's going to happen if you believe did you will achieve it and we will all achieve march madness and that is one storyline in all honesty. Will there'd be feeling good about it. I liked that. I liked that. They picked indy for the site. Whether you know. Like obviously i i love. I love indie. So that's cool but even if it wasn't any i like that. They are proactive. And they said we're gonna play it in one site. That is a good move because that is as we talked about it on the last show. That is something that i my fear is that they would announce it on march first and try to scramble and make it happen the fact that they have now a lot of time to plan for this. Which is all. I've ever wanted because college basketball has had more time than any other sport To come up with a plan because we were in the thick of it we we had the rug pulled out from under us and then the clock started right then on march twelve and figure it out you got to figure it out for next season and the fear was that we haven't quite figured out. I'm still not one hundred percent sure that we figured it out. I'm worried these cowards games. You're gonna get cancel. i'm worried. I mean you're looking at what college football has gone on a mess. It's an absolutely minefield. You pull up your score app and it's just a minefield of canceled canceled. Canceled postponed. cancel. Whatever i'm sure there's gonna be more of the same with college basketball but there will be an ncaa tournament There won't be there that down. I don't know how. I don't know how they're going to build the field. Also i should say that. That's not my problem. I don't care yeah figured out figured out. There's going to there will be a controlled environment in indianapolis. We will finally have march madness. We will be watching and writing along this entire season. We have done it. Titus our top one hundred things to watch i know that my head's about to explode. So what it in your head you as you got to number one and just be full of energy be like we did it sell it and i'm just like all right. We did it. We did it now. We have college basketball. We're we're so starts next week. Oh god damn feel so good feel so good shoutouts closeouts. Let's wrap this thing up. Look shout out to the friends of the program. Because a year ago you and i we did not have a podcast that we were trying to figure out what we're going to do in the world and we didn't know we ended up going to maui invitational launching our own podcasts and and you know the rest is history but we're you know almost a year away from that moment We were at our own version of the crossroads. I want to say do it a preview. I wanna think everyone that's listening to follow followed along because yeah yeah we signed a guarantee so we kinda took a chance and thought you know i think people are into the show or into the idea of like what we're trying to do here enough that we could like go it and We did and and and we we would not have been able to do it without the people that listen without the friends of the program so we generally do appreciate that because we take ni- again much like we say there will be say tournament. We were doing that a year ago. Like we'll be we'll be we'll be fine right people and you start to talk yourself into and then here we are your later and We're doing fine. We're doing just fine because of you guys without you is. We're not doing fine. Yeah we're not so thank you. Thank you to all you guys listening. I have one big shout out and as we're getting sentimental i'm going to. I'm going to be even more sentimental. Well i was making fun of the guys crying in the draft and it just came over meals. Let's start crying my dad today. He doesn't want me to tell you. My dad listened to every podcast. He doesn't he he would hate that. I've talked about this a i'm thirty three now. He has no control over many more man. So that if you wanna wanna ground me. Good luck so my dad. The first appearance he made on this podcast was When bob knight was introduced to halftime of the assembly hall the purdue game you remember the stage we thought. Why don't we call my dad and get his thoughts So i texted. My dad has happened. I was like. Hey you wanna come on the show and talk about night showing up. 'cause you went. I uni of a lot of thoughts on it and he was like i would love to but i don't. I don't think i'll be good. I said dad you'll be awesome. It'd be fine. He was he was very very nervous to do that. And he comes on the show that night and I text him news. We got done talking to him. And i said you're amazing. I thought you killed it. Most of the people listened to show thought he's all was like the right amount of Trudgill old man but also like kind of self aware about ed. People seem to love it whatever sites. i think people are going to really like that dead. And he's like good. That's all i wanted to call me when you're done with the rest of the show so you and i we take the rest of the show. I called him. And i was like dead killed it and he. He sat there and he let me talk for like thirty minutes and then he told me that that morning he had found out that he had prostate cancer and he. I'm crying because that is. I'm getting broken up because that is my dad is like any other person would have got. That news would have been like alright. Clear everything i'm like. I'm not my my dad was like. I don't want to ruin my son's moment. He wants to have me on the show. I want to do this. And whatever so he step to the plate he he didn't he didn't bring it up before the show. He didn't want it to affect the show. Whatever he wanted he he's totally a guy. That's like i i'm fine. You don't need to worry about me. i'm fine i'm fine. I'm fine so it was a good prognosis. It wasn't there wasn't anything to be super concerned about They were just gonna take his prostate out. And everything's gonna be fine so as he's getting ready to have surgery The covert stuff hits in suddenly like all the medical protocols get thrown around and all that sort of stuff so everything gets kicked down. The the the can gets kicked on the road. And we're waiting on on. When are we going to have the surgery. All that sorta stuff. There's no reason to panic though. Really panicking And then we decided we set a date for the surgery and he goes and gets a pre surgery. Physical like check to make sure you can get put under and they can do the surgery and that everything's gonna be fine that and when he does this they find a. I'm sorry my medical knowledge is in so those who listening that are doctors or whatever. They're probably pulling your hair out here and we try to explain this but they find that like one of his main. Arteries is ninety five percent blocked. And it's like an inverted like the doctor says basically like if you died right if you fell over dead right now like we would not have been surprised like you. I don't i. It was a widow maker. Situation is what they call it so they put a stent in they take care of that He's counting his blessings. All of that is it. Everything's fine fast. Forward the whole reason i bring this up is my dad. He finally had the prostate surgery. Today i guess everything's fine and clear but this has been It's been on my art for a long time. Certainly this entire twenty twenty. I don't he didn't want me to talk about it. I don't care. I'm just super happy for him because i just want to give him a shot because he's become a character on the show and he's he's been going through this battle they kind of quietly because he also is someone who's like looking around with the world around them and saying the problems that other people are having in the world or so much bigger than my problem so i don't like bring it up to anybody and i'm gonna bring it up for him and i'm going to say my dad had surgery today. He's fine i called. I talked to him today. He he he. He answered the phone and i said i'm in pain. They got these whatever their. I'm on this med. Whatever whatever and he takes a deep breath and he's like. I can't tell you. Mark watching that draft like the big ten. We just didn't have that. Many guys. Says i i was like all right. He's back he's going to be five so he's got a clean bill of health. He's off he's gotta wear catheter for a couple weeks. So he's excited about can just sit on the couch and just piss have to get up and go take a leak and i told her he's gonna leave it in for it's time i don't want it to go. This is great. Yeah no. But i mean i i just wanted to say i appreciate you sharing that and and i think that says a lot about you know what we have with the show and with the program because i mean you and i we were real friends in real life and you know. I love coach titus. I love your mom. I mean my family loves you and like this is a real thing so like I don't know to hear that it wasn't good. Prognosis the whole way. It was good. It was a good kind of cancer to have and it was a pretty straightforward surgery. But as you know no cancer is a good cancer to have and no surgeries a fun surgery you know so it was never dire and we were never really that worried but You know like. I just said you don't you don't. It's just a weird especially with the heart problem. That came up. And you just start thinking like what if and all that kind of stuff and out suspended tumultuous year at emotionally from our family. Because of just thinking of the you'll let your mind go wild teyat edwin be at the finish line now with seems like we're at the finish line now with with a lot of the the problems I dunno it's cool so my ma by the way shared with me that he's he's gotta stay in the hospital tonight because he had the surgery more recording. This thursday night. He added this morning. He's gonna stay in the hospital night and she told me that they don't let them out. Until i swear to. God she said this. Don't let them out until like farts. Basically this is. This is the content we need. We should other. I mean. I live with that man for eighteen years. He should've been out in five minutes. That we might have a real problem so anyway. Sorry to sorry to bring the move down. But i actually literally just talked to him right before he sat down to record so i was kinda overcome with that. Wanted to share. Yeah we we That was a great final shot. And like you said we got to the finish. Line that's That's what we've been trying to do this entire time. Just get to the finish line. Preseason we did it. We got our awards. We got coach titus feeling better The world's look that's all we need. We hope will. This is a good thing. Maybe thanks yes. Yes no good thing ever dies. Hey watch us on f s one on monday night and we're doing the preview show Dvr call your friends. I don't whatever whatever. You're your viewing schedule is we need. This might be the last time. We're on television if they haven't nielsen box called the you're watching monday night. Football never heard of it. Get it out of here. Watch us basketball. Yes also i started a newsletter. So if you're someone who has been falling my work for longtime titus. When you're gonna ride again i got great. 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Ep. 82 - St. John's Head Coach: Chris Mullin

The Sidelines with Evan Daniel

31:14 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 82 - St. John's Head Coach: Chris Mullin

"Fame coaches national champions lottery picks the best minds in fastball. What? The sidelines with Daniel. Welcome back to the sidelines podcast. I'm your host Evan Daniels. College basketball insider over at f s one as well as the director of basketball recruiting at twenty four seven sports. We are just a week away from the start of college basketball season. Couldn't be more excited. Also, very excited about today's podcast. Today's featured guest is Saint John's head coach and former NBA player five-time NBA all star. Chris Mullin Mullen. I had a great conversation where we discuss his greatest, basketball achievements. The coaches that have influenced him the most. And then we broke down his current team talked about Shinwari Maury ponds Mustafa Herron before we get to that conversation. I wanna make sure that you are subscribed and supporting the sidelines podcast the best way to do that shoot over to apple podcasts and or your favorite podcast app. Hit the subscribe button for me. But also leave a rating lever review. Those things are extremely helpful. You can also shoot me a note over on Twitter or Instagram the handle. At Evan Daniels. Now, it's jumped to that conversation with Saint John's head coach, Chris Mullin. It's time to go with Evan Daniels. Send it in big fella. Now. Let's welcome in Saint John's head coach personnel in to the sidelines with Evan Daniels. Podcasts. Chris how're you doing? How's life? Great evan. How about yourself? I am doing really well excited about basketball season, which is gearing up. We're about a week away. I wanna get to your team here in a minute. But wanted to start off with a couple of questions just about your playing career in your list of accolades are impressive final four gold medals. Five-time NBA all star curious from your standpoint, would you consider your greatest basketball achievement to this point things out? Evan on my Olympic experiences. Nineteen Eighty-four as a college player played on a great Olympic team coached by Bobby Knight. And was fortunate enough to play on the nineteen Ninety-two dream team. Those are the two two favorite experiences in basketball because of superseded, you know, college MBA's as a unique experience to represent your country. So those are my two favorite basketball spurious. How was it at that time getting coached by? Guys, like, Bobby Knight and kind of being around players of that calibre when you were so young great. Point in time. I just finished by junior college extensive and know law trial process. So it was really intense. Yes. So we got to play with Patrick and Michael Jordan project doing Wai-ming to they'll just just a great team worked, really hard. And the thing that sticks out about both the Olympic teams I played on is in a short amount of time. They became team. They won't just a collection of talent became really close though built both teams played really well and unselfish together. So it's fun. When you get together just for a summer, and you can really form form a team in Bonn, really last forever. Was there any particular reason for that? Or was it just a collective unit of winners that had one goal in mind. I guess when you when you put together a team, you know, talks about chemistry. It's hard to really kind of see how that why that happens and why it doesn't happen. But when it is there, I'd say, it's usually the collection of not so much talent. But the character of the people that are on a team and both of those. Teams, you know, in my mind anyway, had great character. And like I said played really unselfishly was a joy to be round every day. I think a lot of the players that you recruit players that you've coached, you know, I don't know that they know how good of a player you were scored nearly eighteen thousand points in your NBA career. I guess from your standpoint from your is what made you such a dynamic player on the court. My skill of shooting opened up a lot opportunities for me it covered. My lot areas lack of athleticism when you really shoot the ball. It opens up. You know, if you're not that quick it makes you little bit quicker. And really the biggest thing looking back from me was I was coached really well, the young age I was taught to play team game, you know, just by playing in New York City, you know, learning about angles, and you know, I think also playing without a shock three point line with the emphasis when I was growing up was really getting good shots getting the shot that you wanna take him and working to get open and different things. Like that. Like, I said you learn angles. And so the way I put a lot of a lot of credit to the people that coach me when I was young as a player in the league, you built this reputation of having a an elite work ethic. How did you go about developing that we're we're did that mentality? Kind of come from it started a young age Jack lease he was a guy to coach me in grade school through high school, and he really was the first guy to put me in. Jim by myself, give me some drills to work on. And I enjoyed it. So, you know, work at the indiscipline a lot of times have somewhat negative connotations to them where you're kinda grinding and you doing this hard work. I always enjoy being the gym. So I was really never looking at the clock worried about how long I was in now enjoying when I was doing. Yes, I just kind of used to, you know, put my practice plan together, my workout together things I need to get better at and enjoy doing it. So I think that's a big factor. People success haven't passion for what you're doing. But also being able to enjoy what you're doing through ups and downs and just really focus on. I was like man I'm out here playing basketball for living with what could be better than this. Even even when it got tough. Even when I was in love different losing situations. Always kept things in perspective. What I was doing playing basketball for living. I was I was in good shape from talking to people that were around the league went when you were in it. You're pre-game workouts are somewhat legendary. And people said you were big believer in routine. Mean can you kind of walk me through what those pregame warmups looked like in in kind of how you came up with them. They would vary. Evan as as my career progressed. I really really good routine with the conditioning coach Ma Grebo who helped me train in the off season to prepare for the season. But I would I would always try and warm up and practice a game speed. I would not be out there just to be out there. You know? So I was going to be out there for twenty twenty five minutes. I wanted to really focus on what I was going to do in the game. So my pre game warm up was really shot. I was going to be taken during that game just to get my body warm as my career progress I used to use my pre-game as workout as my as my minutes diminished. I would really go out there really early and really get a full workout knowing I was gonna play a whole lot. But also with the mindset it if someone got hurt if I was called upon would be shop enough to play play, you know level. I I wanted to play at. So again, you make adjustments as your career progresses. But again, it was always about. Saying shar in that moment time, if you got in the game that you were going to be able to perform and help you gene out obviously with your background, and you know, success at that level. Have you kind of mentioned the the program peparation how much of you talk to your players about that type of mentality and just being prepared in in pre game and doing everything in gain speed. Yeah. That's what we do each day in practice. You know, something you can talk about. But it's more important that you do it the way we have our daily routine set up is like that. And then is I think what you see is guys mature they find their own little routines, which always tell everyone is going to be a little bit different. But you have to find what works for you to get yourself prepared for practice and getting so prepare for games. We have our, you know, standard operating procedure on game day in practice day also little wrinkles at each guy has to do with it be getting their body ready getting their minds ready. And that's something. I think it it's a trial and error and athl-. Elites in general talked about you know, habits routines is also a little bit, you know, superstition to that. So something that works as guys stick to. And sometimes takes a little while to figure out what that is. But all the guys I played with. I've had certain things I used to do each and every day like I said, I'm practice days game days, and it becomes something of of a comfort comfort zone to. He just is what I do to get ready, and we out and play, of course, because of your career in college in the NBA and with the US Olympic teams you've been fortunate enough to be around some terrific basketball mines which coach that you around as a player has influenced you the most as a coach to really so coach carnesecca who coach me here Saint John's placement for four years I've known him since I was ten years old. So you gotta huge impact on my life. And also I was taught the game and how I see the game. So I always use a lot of his teachings his outlook. Both on and off the court. He's had a huge influence from a strictly a style of play kind of skill development. And how I see the game. Don, Nelson had a huge impact. Now do not just on basketball in general. And when I when I talked earlier about having fun while you were plan. I think Don Nelson was when the guys are really I really enjoyed playing. Fly enjoyed practicing his practice fun. They were tough. But they were fun. They were creative. And you did a lot of work kind of without knowing 'cause you enjoying yourself. So I try and really use a lot of Nellie techniques. Put my practice together. I think it's important. I guess at early to really enjoy what you're doing. Of course, you gotta you gotta focus in on on on improving getting better. I do think it's really important you enjoy while you're doing it. You mentioned done Nelson. He was honestly a little head of his time. In terms of you know, the small ball type of basketball how much of that. Specifically have you integrated for your team? Evan Nellie was was way ahead of his time. Playing small lineups playing point forwards inverting gods and big guys across the court. Switching pick and rolls. Some so many different things that he put into the game of basketball are Hughes. Now, actually a lot of it came even before Nelly. When Nellie was a player for the Celtics playing for read all back. They they were known for that fast break. And mostly with the past not not dribbling and holding the ball, and then really being active, you know, moving bodies and moving the ball. So. Yeah. A lot of that stuff that that Nellie taught us I find myself much like I said with coach carnesecca found myself, repeating when I see, you know, specific player in the one thing is you always have to dad. So a lot of things that that we did in the late eighties early nineties his very similar looks. But now, maybe you moving things up beyond the three point line with these to be down. You know, who's a big emphasis back then on drawing thousands and playing inside three point line. So now, the the differences everything's outside the three point line spacing the floor, but just just a different wrinkle to it. But but the fundamental philosophies the same you're starting your fourth years a head coach at Saint John's what's been the most challenging aspect of this job so far. Well, you know, I started I was what fifty to fifty three years old. I had a lot of different experiences. In basketball one I hadn't had it was being a head coach. But all those other experiences have helped write that adjust those as far as you know, putting together practice coaches meeting all these different things I've been involved in. So I can't really say anything was was overwhelming. And then as far as winning and losing that that that's been my whole life is winning and losing. And look there's a process to get into the top. I respect that process. I know it takes time. Although no one else, you know, in this day and age and society. It's you know, I know I understand the the lack of patience there. But I never disrespect or underestimate what it takes to put together a team and one of what it takes to be good. It does take time. If it was something you could do overnight or hit on your cell phone and hit send. Everyone would be doing. Your team heading into this season is arguably the most talented team that you've had what's been your biggest focal point with this group in the off season and preparing for gains start next week. Yeah. So it's definitely the most town we've had and we've you know, each and every year gotten a little bit better in that department and also got a little bit better in the win column. So it's been a natural progression. This year's team the biggest we have experienced. We have good players, and we have experienced players. I think that's going to, you know, pay dividends for us. We're gonna have a very explosive ofensive team. I think we got into change ponds where we can play small lineup. They will be able to rebound. And when you do that when you put multiple scores out, the you have to share the ball. Right. So a big focus and increase desertion. So we really been focusing on defense China force turnovers and get those possessions up. So we can let all scores get get a piece of the pie. So that's offense relief. It's simple to we talked about earlier moving the ball. Sentence screens, you know, being a threat without the balls, really important. We have multiple scars out there, and then defense elite, you know, we will be put put out a lineup where we can switch most ball screens last year. We will be good defensive team. We were bad defensive rebounding teams. That's really has been a big focus about preseason is really being styled again defensively, but then finishing that possession after the rebound. You mentioned scoring for your defense. And that's something that Shinwari Pons done a tremendous job of twenty one point game last year in what ways do you think he's improved heading into to this season? When when I talked to him at biggies media day, he mentioned his leadership, but maybe more on the court like is there anything that he really spent off season really working on. So yes, those schmolly mentions leadership. I think he's gotten a little bit stronger. He's got himself in a little bit better shape. But all those things have natural maturation race something something he didn't have two years ago, which he shouldn't have a head two years ago for most strictly basketball. Standpoint, you know, she Mario pink. But you said he's he's a gifted scurries had to the greatest seasons of any you know, to your play here at Saint John's and historic. He's been some great great players. He's he's one of the best. I think this is going to be important for him. And for us day becomes more efficient player. I talked a little bit earlier about learning the game without a three point line without the shot clock where shot selection becomes then was was a huge back that he didn't take the shot you wanted to defense one. So I think she Mars efficiency. We'll go up with better players around him. He also have five assists with those twenty one points. And he's really good rebound. He's got an all around game of the focal point was on his scoring. I think you'll see a more efficient Shomari Pons because playmaking ability, we're really flourish. Obviously getting Mustafa Herron eligible for this season was a big deal for you guys. This is a kid that averaged sixteen and a half points over five rebounds. He just brings a lot. The table whether it be scoring or toughness. What was kind of your reaction when you got the official word that he was going to be eligible, and how's he kinda messed with your guys in practice? Yeah. We very grateful in NCWA rules eligible immediately great for Moustapha and his family. So we're happy about that. Happy for him. And in the Stafa he's been he's been a guy you could just plug right in. He's a very mature young man physically and emotionally very confident. He's got a good feel couplings own skin. He's got he's got a great routine. We talked about that early. He's got a very professional approach is practice in his routines. All right on point any fifty seamlessly. He actually played a lot of you know. Hey, you basketball around the city. He Chamara we're versa million with each other. You know, these kids these days, and you probably know better than me, and they get to know each other more so than you know, than years past whether it be social media play on multiple circuits. So he's been a great addition. And he's he's one of our leaders. And I'm looking into have another great. You got two great years of college basketball player on great teams those worth bike to play. With other towns players. He's been a great addition. When you throw Mustafa and mix him with with ponds and just Simon those three guys are all very different. But they all bring so much to the table. Whether it be the the scoring and toughness of Mustafa, the the scoring and playmaking schmolly and the defensive abilities of Justin his ability to playing ball screens. I mean, you you could make a case that you have is good perimeter with those three guys anyone in the country. Yeah. And you talk about having about about chemistry, right? So chemistry. Yeah. I wanna get along with your teammates and feel comfortable with them, you know, different things like that. But I always felt like when you when you have a blend blended talents that that can also develop chemistry. So when you need your teammate liking one thing when you need them you rely on him. And he's there for you. So yes, it will. Those blend of talents where we can have them rely on each other switch on defense, and you know, making they understand it's important that the that they do the little details. You know, if she Maris, you know, sit a screen, it's important you set the screen and get missed stuff open. That's that's his job on that position. So I think when you have a guy that you can interchange offensive in defensively, it kind of naturally develops a chemistry, and and the responsibility accountability for each of it, which I think in turn, you know, helps you team develop. How do you handle or your team handled the kind of growing expectations? You said this is the far the most talented group you've had. I mean, I I would imagine the expectations within the program or higher. How do you handle that with the guys? It's it's welcomed. So we as we added talent, you know, we started pretty much from scratch, right? So it's actually I think going to be nice to walk into a few games. Favourite? You know, no one likes to be going into games, you know, walking in with with the most talent on the floor hadn't in. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty nice feeling after after three years of totally being the opposite. I welcome that. You know, we have a great history. Here we, you know, people have maybe short memory this one the story programs of all time in college basketball. So my expectations have always has always been to win win big. But there's a process to that. We talked about that earlier respect what it takes to be good. Just don't walk out there. And anyone that's one on any level understands that much like, you know, we talked about chemistry and team those things take time. You just don't take five guy 'cause we. I've seen it over. You can take the five best players nine win. So those things take time it's been a natural progression to this point. Yeah. I feel good that expect patient. Have we liked that? I don't like the expectation that he walk in gym. And you're supposed to be outmatched. That's not a great feeling doesn't mean you give up you fly fight harder. And you have to do everything. But I welcome those expectations expectations. I've always had no matter where I've been. So to me. It's welcome last thing before I let you go coach, and this is completely different gears. But because of your background I wanted to ask you the NBA came out and said that they're going to start offering one hundred twenty five thousand dollars for high school players to play in the G league. I'm curious what your thoughts are on that? If you think that affects the college game at all and obviously with your history as a player end in front offices. You know, a lot about that space would what we're kind of your thoughts when you heard about it. And how you think it'd be executed step closer to going back. To having kids come out of high school that's already been done. So it's not it's not going to be a new thing. That's going to be going back to writing that had already existed might think that's probably the way to go. I was drafted high school kids when I play for the paces we we bought in. I think three years and wrote that high school are higher. Al Harrington Johnson bender drafted monta Ellis at a high school. So the NBA has put those programs in place to make that adjustment. And look I you can't really put rules in place to prevent people from making bad decisions. And look sometimes you make the sound decision. It doesn't work out. Right. So I think that's a step closer like I said going back to where kids can come out of high school whenever that is, you know, twenty twenty two whatever whatever they're saying, it is I think that's the right thing to do as far as the G league raising their set it gives the kid another avenue to pursue what he wanted. You know, college is not for everybody. Not every kid matriculate s- the same way. And some kids are not made school and that that sometimes it's hard to hear. I think it's true and not every kid test the same way. Right. I think having having different avenues for kids to pursue. I mean, I'm really I think they need their their education. But also education comes in a lot of different ways. Of course. I completely agree with Chris. I I really appreciate your time. I know you're busy especially with the season gearing up and good luck this year and preach your town. You're listening to the sidelines with Dan once again, thanks Saint John's head coach Chris Mullin for taking the time out and jumping on the sidelines podcast enjoyed that conversation. Now want to transition to a preview of the big east conference. And I spent a day last week at the big east media day was held at Madison Square Garden in New York had opportunity talk to coaches in the league and some of the best players in the league. And I wanted to give you my breakdown who I think is the preseason favorite to win the league a couple of sleeper teams my big east player of the year. My all biggies team my coach of the year and my preseason freshman of the year I wanna start with my pick to win the league. And I'm gonna go with Villanova. This is a team that's won the league. Four of the last five years finished just a game behind Xavier last year. Obviously went on to win their second national championship of the last three years and this Villanova team. Has a different makeup. Then last year's group. Obviously last year's group was extremely talented number of guys went high in the NBA draft. But this is a different team. And I had an opportunity to really get some insight from a couple of of members in that program in one of the things that came back to me was their deaths, and that's something that they're very excited about it. I think this is a deep team. It's also a team with senior leadership. And I think that's really a sticking point Eric PASCAL who transferred in is going to have a bigger role this year. And I think he has a chance to excel in that role. This is a tough physical strong versatile forward that can rebound that defends that can score and variety aways. I think he's due to have a really big year. And honestly, I think you can make a case that air PASCAL could be the big east player of the year in another senior that I think is primed for a really good season is Phil. Booth. This is a guy that has struggled at different points in his career with injuries. But he's healthy. Obviously he was playing next to guys like Jalen Brunson. Dante even chins oh last season. But I think Phil booth is a guy that we're going to see breakout. I think he's going to put up big numbers for the Villanova basketball team. You can use him in a variety of ways whether that be off the baller on it. He's obviously a very good shooter, a good distributor, high Q a good defender. So I think Eric PASCAL Phil booth. They're going to have really big years for Villanova guy. That's gonna be really helpful for them is Albany transfer. Joe cream? Oh, and the reason I think he can be a big help to them is he brings an elite skill to the table. And I'm referring to his ability to shoot the basketball last year at Albany. He made seventy six three pointers he shot. It any forty six percent clip from the hind the three point stripe that is absurd. Average nearly eighteen points game. So he brings shoe. To the table. This is one of the best graduate transfers in the entire country. Pat, his pick of where to go to school and he went with filling Nova, so there's some senior leadership between those three. And then I think you add in a freshman core, that's really gonna help them. John Quinn early is a five star recruit a guy that really blends and ability to distribute and inability to score, and that's what he brings to the table. He can do both of those things. Yeah. High Q player. He's a very good passer with good vision. He can drive the ball and finish with floaters. He can step out in three point stripe and make jump shots. I think he is a dynamic playmaker with Jalen Brunson gone to the NBA, I think John quickly steps right in and obviously he can't fill the Jalen Brunson shoes right away. But I think he's going to do a good job for them. Then there's Brandon Slater and other freshmen and coal sweater. Who I think can really help them Slater a six six longingly wing. Good athlete. I think he's going to be a good defender and has some versatility on offense. And then coal sweaters that three four combo forward guy. Can really stretch the floor with his jump shot and has impressive skill. So I really like the the depth of this team the senior leadership, and then a really good freshman core on it's really gonna help them this year. So Villanova is my preseason pick to win the big east conference the team that I had at number two is Marquette, and I think that they're a sleeper nationally. I think this is a team that is very deep in their exit Bishen game this week against Carol. They played nine guys with fifteen minutes are more in that exhibition games deep team. It's full of offensive weapons. It starts with Marcus Howard, a guy that obviously can really shoot the basketball shot at a forty percent clip from the three point line last year as a freshman over fifty percent, which is absurd. He's nearly hit two hundred three pointers in two years of college basketball. So Marcus our brings obviously offensive to the table. But I think he's far from the only ops offense of weapon they have Sam Houser is a guy that can make shots and is skilled. They they've got to freshman that I really like I think Brennan Bailey is being slept on nationally as well. This is a guy that honestly not a lot of people know about because he was on a Mormon mission. The past two years is a former top one hundred recruit a big wing six foot six maybe six seven he can score the basketball. He actually started in their exhibition game earlier this week. I think Brennan Bailey is going to be a key piece to the Marquette puzzle. And he's a guy that not many people are talking about. And the other freshmen Joey Hauser, he's the brother of Sam Houser, and he's a top forty prospect guy that can score the ball. He's versatile. He can play the three or the four. He'll rebound. He's a high Q player when I was talking to Steve O J hausky at the big east media day. He said he would put his two freshman. Brennan Balian Joey Hauser up against any freshman duo in the country. That's high res I like Marquette finished second in this league to sleeper teams. I think Saint John's I was just talking to Chris Mullin about their big three. On the perimeter number two Shimon ponds Mustafa Harran, Justin Simon. I love the the makeup of that group. You've obviously got pond who's a terrific scorer and playmaker off the dribble. Quick. Then you've got Mustafa hair. And who does it a different way? He can really score the basketball. He's tough, he's physically rebounds. And then you've got this Swiss army knife in just in Simon that just impacts the game in so many different ways. He's an elite defender. This is a guy that that is very effective coming off screens with the ball in his Hanes. He's got good vision. He can pass those three are really good players. That's terrific perimeter for Saint John's. I think this is asleep or team in the big east. And then there's providence in I spoke to Ed Cooley biggies media day, and he raved about his freshman. David Duke AJ Reeves Jimmy Nicholl's. This is a guy that wasn't ranked in the top one hundred. But Ed Cooley thinks he has a really bright future. He said this kid is underrated. He's at six seven three four. Long athletes edco we thinks he's going to have a really good year at providence. And then there's AJ Reeves who he compared to a young Paul Pierce is the guy that can really score the basketball defenses position. So some really good freshman on that providence group to go with with returners MCI Ashton Langford and a guy in Alsace Diablo who was named to the preseason all biggies team by the coaches, he's versatile and can really impact the game in a variety of ways. So I I like those two teams as well. My biggies player of the year selection for the preseason issue. Maury Pons average twenty one point game last year was just talking about him. I love his ability to score. He's quick. He knows how to create separation off the bounce, and he can score that basketball and variety ways. Whether it be at the rim pulling up, I think he'll want to improve on his three point percentage from last year, but he can obviously make shots as well. I spoke to him at big media day. And he told me that the biggest difference from him last year to this year is his leadership. He said he's really focused on being. A leader in really stepping up and helping that team in a leadership role. My all big east team to go with Shamali Pons is Villanova's Eric Pascoe Marquette's, Marcus Howard Georgetown's Jesse Govan. And Seton hall's miles Powell my preseason coach of the year is Marquette, Steve J hausky. I think he gets Marquette back to the tournament. This season was just talking about it. I like the depth. I like their offensive potential. They can obviously really shoot the basketball last year people harped on their defense. They went out and got a transfer in Joseph chart, knowing who I think will really be able to help them on that end of the floor was high ranking and steals total last year. I think he's really going to be able to help them on the defensive end. And then my freshman of the year is Villanova's Giovane winner lease. I've seen a couple different ways. You could go whether it be Joey Hauser or Brennan Bailey, or or some of the other kids at Villanova or kids at providence like David Duke or AJ Reid. But I'm gonna go which Yvonne clinically his feel for the game is so impressive. There's obviously big shoes to fill. But I think he is up for the challenge. And I think this is a guy that's going to step in and have a really good year for Villanova and the truth is if filling novas going to reach their potential and be as good as they can be they're going to need von to step up. And I just like how dynamic is in versatily is and his ability to distribute in score and break guys down off the balance. John Quinn Lee is my pick for preseason freshman of the year before I let you guys go. I want to make sure that you were subscribed and supporting the sidelines. Evan Daniels podcast the best way to do that is shoot over to apple podcasts and or your favorite podcast app. It's a subscribe button for me, leave a rating leave a review, those things are extremely helpful. You can also shoot me a note over on Twitter or Instagram. My handle is at Evan Daniels. As always have a great week and thanks for listening.

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Illinois exposes Duke, Coach K questions the season, Iowa proves its worth vs. UNC (College Basketball 12/09)

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Illinois exposes Duke, Coach K questions the season, Iowa proves its worth vs. UNC (College Basketball 12/09)

"Scares it's wednesday december. Nine two thousand twenty. Welcome back to the cbs sports. I on basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss cama fight him and leaky black matte is here with me in orlando right to it. I have a question for you. And the question is this to kentucky duke post inc i ask because it looks like kentucky and duke might boast eke at least to normal kentucky duke standard. We just watched kentucky get handled. No problem by georgia tech over the weekend and then on tuesday night illinois. Winning two camera indoor mostly empty cameron door but still and ran the blue devils right off the full kentucky duke posted right now. They stink big time and in the moment here now kicking myself for not being not having more conviction for my belief in the preseason. That duke wasn't going to be that good. Compared to normal standards. Like i i. I strongly debated not even putting duke inside the top twenty rankings. I i automatically balked on that but yeah right now. Combined three and five shots patrick. Stevens longtime college hoops journalist. He was the first one to answer my curiosity with this on twitter. A late late tuesday night. It's the first time since nineteen sixty six sixty seven. That duke and kentucky both have started their seasons in the same year in the same season at least two of their first four games. Duke start at one and three Wound up finishing eighteen nine. That season In kentucky started to in to finish thirteen thirteen weirdly enough both those teams were coming off making the final four the previous season and then they got slow out of the gate. Sixty six sixty seven. Gp's been more than fifty years. Just unreal there and yeah would would duke. I mean it's not just that I mean the fact the fact that they haven't started to into since the ninety nine two thousand season that team wound up being really really good You know they've lost a to good teams. So let's not completely overreact. They've lost michigan state and they've lost illinois but they've also lost those games at home And that's also setting up an unusual deal. I mean the fact that they they almost never so they almost never lose two games at home period in a season two non conference opponents the first time since the eighty two eighty three season. that's happened perish the first time since the season before that unloaded. What the nuggets here. It's the first time since the season before that the dukes even lost two games period at home early on the calendar. Then you take into the fact that the season's later the normally does this team's got a lot a lot of issues last thing. I did promise people give him a shout-out. Here's how rare this whole thing is. in general. Though with the schedule duke almost never plays too good opponents on. Its home floor this early. In the season with non conference opponents pairs. This just doesn't happen. I asked the proletariat if they could give me the last time duke played basically to power conference level teams within their forced four or i wanted to give a little bit of leeway five games of the season like this almost never happens at cameron and a few people did give this to me. I'll give a shout to md. Spartans at marquette and boston college in the ninety ninety one season was probably the answer. There was an oh seven season where they played michigan wisconsin but one of those games was in greensboro. The wasn't at cameron indoor. So it's not the same there so it's been essentially thirty years if you want to count marquette boston college and if not that then you know maybe saint joe's vanderbilt and ninety six But other than that. Someone else had mentioned that you'd have to go back to the seventy s. You have to go back to the seventies to be the defined. The last time that duke really was able to put up to strong non conference opponents like this. So i think it's a confluence events at all that stuff and then if you watch them i mean there's plenty of plenty of figuring illinois is also very very good but we can get to that i i'm not going back to the seventies almost they right where matt we've got a vaccine on the way i must say i'm going to see this crystal says if the in west has an asterisk for marquette in one thousand nine hundred seventy five seventy six tennessee and virginia. Both cameron two loss was the last time the duke. This early in the season play to power conference teams at home. That's just amazing to me. But we don't have to go back to the seventy s. We can move on okay. So there's there's some obvious explanation for this. First and foremost the duke wasn't supposed to play two teams like this at home. The champions classic got moved to cameron indoor pandemic related. So that's the explanation for almost never does this has never played in the middle of pandemic. So here we are. you're right. They have lost a to good teams. You're also right. They have looked bad while doing it. I keep them in the top twenty five and one. Because look okay. How about this still got strong. Computer numbers are are you sure. There's twenty six teams better. We don't michigan state's better and we know illinois's better but i got both those schools in the top ten. Who's who do you have right. Who do you. Who do you have one spot behind duke. And you're twenty thousand one right now. It is north carolina. I would say north carolina duke right now. I guess what. I don't care what you say. Okay got classic. Do catering orleans. Classic duke apologised paris. That's fine keep going. I every once in a while. I'll get it to somebody and they'll be like corn perish. I i don't know why you did this. And this i could rank teams better than you. And i'm like well then you should get a network to pay you to do it. Otherwise seems like a waste of talent congrats but it seems like a waste of talent now. I acknowledged duke has look bad and i can leave. Open the possibility that duke will ultimately prove itself to not be a top twenty five top two thousand sixteen. But if i were trying to argue in favor of them i would say what about losing to michigan state and illinois suggests that you're not actually one of the best twenty sixteen in the country as always we'll see but yes i will give the benefit of the doubt. Want you wanna know why. Because they're almost always good. They are never bad and so this might be the exception to that role but it would be an exception to the rule so circling back to the initial point again. There's a lot of explanations for why the things that have happened have happened or at least possible explanations again. They weren't never supposed to teams like this inside cameras door. this early. In the season champions classic got moved not having a camera. indoors is a factor I'm like you. I saw last night like oh dukes two home games. They have no home court advantage. They have gone from a program that has arguably the best home court advantage in college basketball to a program that has no homecourt advantage. And you've talked to coaches about this over the years. What coaches will generally tell you about playing duke at duke inside cameron. Is you better be ten points better than them. If you're going to beat them like you you you you have to know. This might not make sense from a math perspective. But i think the point is easy to understand. You're not going to go in there and and beat you have to you. Have to beat them You gotta be significantly better than them. Because you're dealing with cameron crazies. You're dealing with officials that are influenced by coach k. Influenced by the by cameron. Human emotion that undeniably officials are influenced by crowds and there is no crowd like the crowd at cameron indoor. You've been there. The student section is on top of you and it feels like you're. I've never played in a game there. Obviously but i sure okay i did want with plummer and so it wasn't what the plumbers. I've never played a game there but i've covered many games there and i know what it feels like with the student section right on like literally on my back you get blue paint on your suit or sport cook and we're right on top of the court. I mean we were sitting courtside and so the students are right on top of us. It's just unlike any other place in college basketball so you don't have that. That's a factor. And then i think another factor. And i believe this is an explanation on some level for what's happening at kentucky right now to do like kentucky per usual is heavily. Reliant on first your players and you've missed out on exhibitions. you've missed out on practices. You've missed out on the normal by games amount of by games that you get where you can you know like. They opened with compensate and their normal circumstances data. Got another cop stadium by now and another cop stadium by now and instead it's like okay. Play cop state here comes michigan state. Play another by here comes illinois. It i yeah. I also heard that k. because of the pandemic wasn't on the court with the team this off season as much as he normally would. So you got a hall of fame. Coach limited in what he can do heavily reliant on first-year players know homecourt advantage tougher than normal early schedule. And we talked about this before. Didn't enroll a prospect enrolled a top five class but did not actually enroll a consensus top ten prospect. You look at the box scores right now. You watch the games right now. It looks like they don't have a consensus top prospect on on the court and then we talked about this and the preseason as well for duke to live up to the expectations i at least placed upon them. It was gonna be rely on their returning players. Having breakthrough seasons specifically matthew hurt and win. they'll more matthew hurt has been good. Belinda moore has been terrible. He's averaging four point eight points. Two point five rebounds shooting twenty three point three percent from the field eleven point one percent from three. He is one of nineteen from the field one of nineteen in dukes past three games. He was better last season than this season. He's already lost his starting spot and even k. Discussed it publicly after the lost illinois said. He just feels really badly for him. He's struggling right now. So take everything. I just said. Throat into pop. Mix it up. That's how you get a duke team that sitting here too. Yeah been fine jaylen. Johnson started terrific. He's been he's been accused in solid but yeah been great. Dj steward Plenty of room to grow. Jeremy roach at exactly the same joey. Baker isn't as impactful as i thought he would. would be an jordan gold wire who's now senior You know he's a senior but he should be. He should be growing into something a little better than he has already. I mean you mentioned compensate. Duke only won that game by ten Got beat by Six against but that game was on a six point game. You know michigan state one I would say convincingly and then illinois was just dominant illinois really really good Element fans are probably annoyed that we started off talking about duke their team and how good they are so i'll make two points here One one on illinois. Just being fantastic They they look for real. They were providing all the noise. I if i don't know why. I'm not putting simulated crowd noise in that building again. It just it just it. W- you know. The look is fine but yeah it should have more more pop and without that i do think there is an impact there not karen indoors is different than almost every other. Not every other venue and that to me right now is affecting dukes energy. Not say what do defeated michigan sue. Ellen oy if it had the fans in the stands but i do think it It certainly plays plays a role there l. annoy congrats. I mean you perish. Wants to give me grief island a few and he can but i had illinois as you know the fourth best team in america heading into the season and has zero reason to back off of that and the best team in the big ten. They are loaded with talent loaded with size. Adam miller as a freshman. It's come in right away and been tremendous Suman cobra have only gotten better Vaginas really is is providing amazing moment andrea cabello. He he is also i mean. Just look at them up and down on like this. Is the best team in the big ten. I don't think that there's a debate right now so charest to illinois on all of that very interested to just watch you pretty much every game. I think you are capable of winning games. Eighty three sixty as you are sixty sixty one as you might be eighty five eighty two so i think that there's just so much there and right now there are top ten offense number. Twenty nine defensive canton. The next game is at missouri. This weekend that is because of a coin flip that are mandy. Cats actually flipped to determine where the bragging rights game would be. because it's actually not a neutral. this year is in a road venue situations missouri's going to host. We'll wait and see on that. I do want to mention one. More thing about the Aftermath of this game though. Because i do think that given who he is and what he said. This will actually find its way into some discourse if you will later on today. I don't know if you saw this. Gp actually woke up to see this. I did not see in real time. When when k Gave these quotes last night but my suggestion is chimed in on the wobbly nature of college basketball trying to start a season at the time. It is right now as the the rates worse. So when mike. Francesca says it or john kerry says roy williams says it. It's just different from when most other coaches say jeff capel actually also had something pretty poignant that he said earlier this week Essentially called college players essential workers. Jay bilas reemphasized that on the broadcast last night. They both have accurate and true points. Here's case last night. I don't think it feels right to a. I mean everyone is concerned and quote later Said quote. I know the nwa worried about the end game. They're not worried about the game. We're playing right now. End quote and then here's another quote. He says quote. I know somebody will take what i'm saying tonight and and make it like i making excuses. I don't make excuses. We need to get a lot better but for the good of the game and the good of the safety and mental and physical health of our players and staff and whatever we need to constantly look at this thing. And i think i think that's a smart thing to do. And he did he added. He thought that things should be done differently. Mentioned about the players not being able to go home for christmas Were just plowing through. This is his quote. This echoes sentiments. That i heard about szumowski in the off season i was told by multiple sources that chassis was downright adamant that his players be able to leave and go home for christmas as we mentioned on the previous podcast. Cdc guidance the straight up for people to not do that this year so whereas you know in the middle of september that discussion might have centered a around other things now a straight up centered around. We don't think people should be traveling because there is a macro effect on that and so a lot of colleges are are just not going to do that but the point was just was making was. We probably started the season too early. We need to constantly evaluate where we are and if we need to pause this season for whatever reason that really should be taken into account and the installation we looking into this final note on this parishes of course the incidentally itself cannot vote on this. Okay it has already voted when to start. The season now is going to be a question of If there can be some sort of handshake agreement simply conferences are going to be forced to pause if the acc is going to be forced to go to save greensboro and playing a part in january and february. so just hitting on notes that i think are legitimate. Deserve discussion deserve real introspection. But i don't that the college basketball season now that is started is going to suddenly go on a sport white paws for two three four weeks. I don't expect that to happen. Although i do not leave the possibility a very good one that we will see conferences. Choose to do this for a seven day. Hiatus period if the situation worsens enough within teams in their league. I did see case comments. I like you woke up to them this morning when i read them. I was pretty predictable. the that he would get some back. It's like oh here comes code case we can talk about. Let's make what are we doing after he'd lose another game and is now to and to even k. Acknowledged i know. Some people will say making excuses so he knew what was coming as. Well doesn't make him wrong. Like i think he's wrong You're exactly right like this. Is things that we were being told he was saying an acc. Zoom calls all offseason. Like what are we. He was when when i said or reported or whatever that the the prevailing thought among. Acc coaches was that they would prefer to play conference. Only schedules k. Was the leader in that. He didn't want to play these games. And so now he's plan he's losing them and here we are but he's seventy three years old. There's a virus that has killed. Nearly three hundred thousand americans you know. In this calendar year he is susceptible to that. If he happens to get it he'd be full to not have all of this in the back of his head. He's obviously not a fool. I don't think there's anything outlandish about him questioning what we're doing right now when what we're doing right now is literally in defiance of the cd. The cdc's has don't travel and we're putting basketball teams on planes and having them travel and then shutting down games literally every single day twenty eight percent of the games that were scheduled for this past. Saturday and sunday were canceled late on tuesday night. We find out that virginia michigan state that is scheduled for wednesday. Night is cancelled. I understand why we're doing it. It is it's from money you know. These are revenue generating sports. it's a revenue generating sport and in the athletic departments need the revenue the needs to hold it in suitably tournament for money. And so the the the. I don't want to the one thing i think k. Was spot on about. Because i think he was right about just about everything he said but among the things he was spot on about the incidental. A is cares deeply. I'm paraphrasing here about how we finish this thing he said. I don't think they care much about how about what we're doing right now. And show me the evidence that suggests that that's untrue. The nc double just wants to cross the finish line. And i understand why they want to cross the finish line. But i have been consistent on this for months. I don't think that their approach to getting to the finish line. The sports approach to getting to the finish line was well thought out given that it is literally in defiance of the cdc. And i know there's people listening right now who would say well the installation making these teams play and that is true. The says you can't play you don't have to the ivy league said we're not doing it so ultimately this is up to the in the big twelve and this plan. How do you guys want to handle. Go with moving forward. But the the numbers of the numbers the deaths of the deaths hospitalizations or the hospitalizations. And we as a country aren't trending in the right direction and flying student athletes all over the country to compete in a context sport. It is totally reasonable to question whether that's a reasonable thing to do. All right. there's still plenty to get you from from tuesday night here. So north carolina went into and that was a game that i was plenty intrigued about and we found out a few things from iowa. Gp wants to give me some grief. So we're going to get to that next but first check this out support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. Saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. 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Just for starting a quote online or owning multiple vehicles get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive in two thousand nineteen discounts varying and are not available in all states and situations. Are i perish. Say what you gotta say. I appreciate the opportunity. So iowa beat north carolina by double digits. Tonight improves to four. No and the hawk didn't even need a monster game from luca. Garza do it. But he got sixteen points fourteen rebounds but he missed. Fourteen of the twenty shots took didn't matter though. Because i will finish seventeen forty from three two point five percent if you take forty shots from behind the arc make forty two point five percents. I'm going to be tough to beat college basketball. Unc learned that. On tuesday night norlander. I had iowa preseason top five soda voters. You did not. Do you have a prepared apology. That you're ready to read to my hawkeye fans. I mean he didn't have iowa top ten. You're gonna go after him to you. He is next on my list. He's next on the list. Now again just to quickly reiterate now i mean i had illinois iowa i had iowa top ten and there's no way i'm what you should apologize to illinois fans what you should be doing right now i had illinois top five or six or something i had no i had iowa where preseason at illinois one spot behind them razor thin razor thin and i'm essentially there with you but this was inspiring what happened. Listen i did listen. I had wisconsin ahead of bio still. Could prove to be true but right. Now this was a a very inspiring win for the hawkeyes. How about this is when iowa has won seven straight home tilts against ranked teams. They've never done that before. In the history of their program until what they were able to achieve on tuesday night congrats. Congrat- the island than according to espn stats and info. It was. I was first win over a ranked opponent when it was a top five team since. Nineteen eighty-three a lot of eighty three action. Going on on this podcast so iowa has not been ranked in the top five and beaten a ranked opponent and thirty seven years pretty incredible by the way. Unc and duke lost on the same data loaded with the nuggets loaded with the nuggets. This i saw this on. Svp sports sportscenter our last night. Duke and unc last lost on the same day to non conference opponents in nineteen eighty nine history left and right here iowa great job i wrote about it for cbs. Sports dot com. You can read it on the on the app if you'd like or on dot com Fire up the old lapper to me the way that i will. One was highly impressive and highly encouraging. Because luca garza sixteen fourteen and four blocks but the sixteen points was the fewest amount he had had in a game since you know when perish fewest amount that you had in a game since last season for sure well the last season but not just last season but since the play tentacle thank thank. It's tough it anyway seven. It's a it's a. it's a different deal at pinnacle. Just walk independent bank arena. Okay now nobody does. Everyone knows that. So anyway garza. He have a good game. He didn't have a great game but from a points perspective. Yeah it was. His lisa least productive game in about twenty tilts for for the hawkeyes and they still are able to win the win by thirteen. Carolina makes a run. They take the lead. I o responded with a fourteen and nothing blitzing on the tar. Heels and gaza doesn't even score point in that in that whole run so these are encouraging things I hit seventeen threes and they took forty. That's forty three percent. Mccaffrey is gonna take that every single time. Friend that is. Cj frederick andrew campbell at five and then jordan. Bohannon was the best player on the floor from start to finish seven three cents to twenty four points. Good stuff there I'm i'm i'm i'm encouraging again. I'm encouraged by iowa. Because i do think that iowa had still might still have just a few healthy skeptics because of the defense but if you looked at how they played in how they responded against a carolina team that i think is still suspect. I mean you know you mentioned you still have duke wants about carolina right. So if that's the case the case i would make your favorite. Gp is that carolina's best win is by four points in asheville to a stanford team that flew across the country. And it was against. Jared haas who roy williams coach in college and had on like there are advantages. There for roy williams. Otherwise you know. Unc loss of texas lost by thirteen to iowa. So they're still you know Beat unlv team. That's terrible charleston's not that good so So if you're i there's still more proof prove the gonzaga game on december nineteenth. They can play it. That's going to be Think that's true judgment moment but this was big win goodwin encouraging win for that program to me last night was way way. More about iowa can get this done on a big stage and it did and they did again with a subpar performance from their national player of the year candidate. I absolutely love that. They've got the most dominant big man in the country and they've just surrounded him with shooters. Got three other players in your starting lineup. Who make at least five threes against a projected. Top twenty five team. I mean that's a strong offensive performance. Clearly i think clearly they're not gonna make seventeen of forty. Maybe they will. I would assume they're not gonna make seventeen of forty most nights out but they are shooting above forty percent from three on the season as a team. And when if you about this are keep it simple. If you tell me iowa is going to shoot above forty percent from three while taking somewhere between thirty and forty threes per game Yes the defense has question marks but like it's hard it's hard to beat a team if they're gonna shoot that volume and make at that rate and again. It's coming from different places. It's not just one guy got high. They got legitimate high level shooters multiple on the court with luke garza at all times. Just makes them hard to deal with it last season. The offense wasn't this good and the defense was was bad ninety seven visions for whatever. It's worth their up to seventy three defensive efficiency. I pointed out the preseason very hard to be an elite team outside of the top ninety five in defensive efficiency but if you get that number inside of the top seventy or sixty you don't have to be great defensively. If you're this great offensively you have to be respectable defensively and there were times like they gave up. They would open a big league. Give up a run the carolina but they got so many weapons on that offensive in there. Just tough to deal with. They looked the part. That was a big game for them. Because everybody's preseason top ten but people still question can they actually do it It's very early but they looked the part impressive performance from iowa argue the most impressive performance of the night right there with what illinois did at duke one other high profile game from tuesday night i want to touch on kansas be creighton inside allen fieldhouse weird start time start at four o'clock central so i was doing radio show so but i had it on. Kansas wins it. Seventy three seventy two as a match up of two top ten teams jalen. Wilson made a three point. Forty two seconds remaining. Put them up by three. And then marcus. Cigarettes ski missed with like one point. One laugh missed. A third of three three free throws it would have tied the game. So kansas escapes. I guess seventy three seventy two. But jalen wilson how about this. We dedicated an episode to eat preseason top tintin somewhere between twenty and thirty minutes. We did. Kansas did we. Mention jalen wilson. I know i did multiple times. You try to get you to talk about jalen wilson and you insisted that we focus on david. Mccormack dia botchy. Which was i. I went back to my notes. I did not have wilson in my notes that i have extensive notes on every team because i would read everything and and and and i take notes and prep for the. I didn't have anything on jada wilson and so last night i was just curious i was like okay. Did we miss sunday. The wilson did everybody. Miss on. Jada wilson so i was like okay. Blue ribbon is widely regarded as the bible. Here the preseason bible it is terrific. I mean If i'm being completely honest before we did every one of those top ten episode. I went and read the entire preteen preview in blue ribbon on that team so i went to kansas preview. A revisited. it last night. Did i miss something. There's nothing in there about lou. In fact bill self act. There is something in their body of the moment. But it's very small and bill self actually the quote attached to jalen wealth. And here's what bill said. He's the forgotten man. And i'm like well. Yes actually described him as the forgotten man and he is the forgotten man but not anymore. He's now averaging a team high sixteen point three points team. High nine point zero rebounds in twenty seven minutes per game game winning three against creighton for people who don't know the back story. He was a sub fifty recruit in the class of two thousand nine hundred. And we're not talking about some former mcdonald's all erica ranked fifty third in the country. You're a good prospect but that's not the same as being ranked third so the subject to recruit coming at a high school in the second game of the season. Last season breaks. An ankle takes a medical red shirt. And now he looks like kansas. I don't wanna marcus gear with a preseason all-america. I don't want to replace him. But i'll just keep it factual right now. Jalen wasn't as kansas leading score and leading rebounder and he looks terrific and if suddenly kansas is getting this kind of production from somebody. We literally didn't even discuss in the preseason. Well then that changes can be was the reason they be creighton Twenty three points. Four six two point range for six from three point range. Ten rebounds really really strong performance jalen wilson. He's he's developing into the kind of player. Kansas needs if it wants to win the big twelve and be a top five team. This has been kansas fans. Have to be absolutely delighted. And he is. He is the runaway. Two week in leader for break-up player in college basketball and i don't even know who would be a close second funny. You say that. I i have to write three hundred words on the top twenty five and one every morning like lead to show up. Google searches. yes and so. I decided right about kansas. Why because it was an early game. I could just knock it out early. And so i. I'd so i by extension read about jalen wilson and in the here i right. There was no official. Know comeback player of the year or break through player of the year in college basketball bought. If there were this guy would be league. Gained for both is not even close. You're right about that I like the pieces more more random. Like i think a body is still going to be a budget. I think is going to have games where he is. He's the mvp of k. You and then garrett is garrett christian brown even had had some good moments they're Jaylen wilson's been wonderful as long as mccormack can be a little bit better than he's been like e bryce thompson has wilson in many ways has filled a role beyond what i thought bryce thompson could or would do but brian thompson even hasn't been as impactful as i thought he would. Real quick on creating first of all wonderful directing By whoever did that game focusing in on rask mama she's just I actually appreciate it in real time in that one it felt like it was only only quote unquote. Twenty five hundred. I don't know why you're letting people into your building. I just again like. I'm gonna take a lifeless cameron indoor over the idea that you're letting two thousand five hundred people in regent pandemic. I just don't think that's do. Go watch a text queen. I know i know. I know completely. It looks almost normal. I know i know and that's still not good Particularly like games endorse. I just just doesn't sit right with me. but Mother was was on hand. And so we. We are missing that usually in these kinds of games just like these scratch we. Actually you know it felt normal yet not to get that and then The agonizing he misses the third one misses the third. One my kids. Actually my kids were just fighting and wrestling. It was just one of those chaotic moments. I didn't even see him get fouled. I so the next thing. I knew i look up. And he's at the line holy crap they can actually send this game not they. Don't they fall short. It was the first time since seventy four that these teams played each other now. Creighton was in the valley from most of that but kansas and nebraska border each other. I just can't believe it had been that long and given work. What greatness is a program now and this was also the big twelve big east fox deal or at least i think it was supposed to be fox and they went to espn. I can't remember all the details in terms of all this stuff gets put together anyway. They're played each other because it was a conference on conference challenge They need to play each other frequently. Going forward it only makes sense. Crayton's power conference program and the fact that we had gone. You know forty six years between these teams facing each other in seventy four was in the tournament to didn't even schedule each other so if you're kansas i understand for decades why you wouldn't do that but hopefully can change going forward because it had just makes it just again it just makes too much sense not to have these teams played each other much more frequently going forward for creighton. Tough loss understandable but But you know it's you play. Kansas to within one and you had a chance to send it to. Ot you're going to take that and And i will note that was bigger on preseason top one hundred and one list of players on mahoney he he nominated mahoney before anyone And mahoney's look pretty good To this point in the season. I thought ballot mitch. Ballot would be the better player. Mahony has been the second best player on creighton. Nod did gp For all of that. I did want to mention one other before. We spin real quick. I wanted to mention one of the result from From tuesday. But i won't if you have anything else to say about. Creighton will just real quick on the end of game sequence gets out and that feels like a disaster. If you're kansas like oh my god you just jennifer preseason. First american of the free throw line. Three free throws chance to talk. He's a fifty six percent free. Throw shooter now. It's a small sample size. this season. he is above seventy five percent in each of the previous season's but that's not the worst thing in the world. Like i honestly would maybe rather have make three free throws then give him a clean. Look at a three. It's just hard and it's more difficult when outhouses gone bananas but just difficult in general like you play golf like even if you just got one hundred bucks with your plan your buddy if you've got a five foot putt to win or more accurately if you have a five foot putt to tie you miss it you lose that you feel that and so i can't imagine what it's like to be standing at the free throw line and it inside allen fieldhouse in that situation so i was I know in the moment if you're canes fan you're like what are we doing in that moment. Actually not the worst thing. You could do real quick off a tuesday night just So listeners are up on stuff that happened. First of all merged. Ap austin p. by thirty. I previewed that game as a huge game. that is an amazing sign for murray state. So great went on that. But the two outcomes that i wanna bring up. One penn state rocked. Virginia tech by twenty and it was like worse than that That was bizarre. Health penn state. Good on you Jim carey's interim coach after pat Chambers resigned and that was that was just the eye opener to me purdue. Blue like a twenty two point ledin and lost fifty fifty. Four at miami and miami didn't have course legs. Yikes but rutgers four no win seventy nine sixty nine over syracuse. I told you. I had nuggets. I told you. I had nuggets. Roy williams jim boeheim. Mike chefs have all lost on the same day. It's only the second time ever after credit use that's info because they had this to the last time this happened was december third. Nineteen eighty eight three hall of famers all nasc- williams k. Behind the auto down on the same day highly unusual highly unlikely shouts to rutgers it to me. I was i. I kind of thought. Syracuse might be able to steal that one. Not even the case. Ron harper junior wonderful twenty. Six point effort and And rutgers is off to a foreigner start it has a road game scheduled. Monday in the league against maryland. Rutgers has no more non conference games schedule so his finished with a no record. And the biggest one obviously against syracuse. I did want to mention the scarlet knights getting a huge win at quincy dooby pavilion and re legitimizing their status. If it even needed re legitimizing as a top twenty five team and one more result tennessee was the last ranked team to actually open it season but it did open season on tuesday. Beat colorado fifty-six forty-seven i was like rick. Barnes in advance of that game was asked like so you guys ready to go. And he's like not really say we we've run up the court. I'm sure he was exaggerating. And he goes exaggerate. He said we run up the court three times in the past two weeks. The now we're gonna play colorado so we'll see so. Tennessee didn't look sharp but tennessee. You shouldn't have expected tennessee to look sharp worth noting. At least i thought this was interesting. They with six forty seven so it's a competitive game. A lot of the reason. People like me have tennessee to project. It a win the sec. Is they returned. Some some high level pieces. John ferguson east ponds but because they enroll to five freshman. Did you notice this in the box. Score the two five star. Freshmen keon johnson. James springer barely blade. I saw that came off the bench. Can't johnson got thirteen minutes. Jane springer played nine. They combined for ten points and two rebounds in a combined. Twenty two minutes so that was just. You don't expect five star freshmen. To usually come off the bench and even if they do play so few minutes. I'm sure there's an explanation. I'm not criticizing. I haven't been in the gym. I don't know what's going on. But i think it was. I thought it was interesting. That the two five-star freshman came off the bench and barely played in what was a season opening victory over colorado. No definitely notable one and they finally went off the off the pine and that is good. are wednesday night early wednesday morning. the biggest news is that the best game of the day is off michigan. State travel charlottesville and then late on tuesday night at discovers. That virginia's not gonna be able to play this game due to covid issues within this program and has not been outright canceled. That's canceled for wednesday night. But the technical term i think is postponement. At this moment. They gotta figure out they can try and squeeze and we're getting this with a with a few different kinds of teams. I mean you know the acc big ten challenge first of all the big ten's up six to one and it would be seven and nothing of perdue country if you had been able to hold onto that huge lead against miami But michigan nc state michigan state. Virginia and. i'm forgetting one more. They're starting to blend in. There was another one that was lost. people are screaming into their phones. Hey this is norlander from twenty five minutes in the future of the game. You can't remember you. Idiot is wisconsin against louisville. Do better be better. But anyway Michigan state. Virginia being lost his. It's you know it's a big opportunity for both and a parachute tweet. And you made me smile buddy. You go sam houser. Virginia's leading score. Joey hauser's michigan state's leading score. They were supposed to play each other on wednesday but now the game has been postponed because of covid nineteen. This is how the season will unfold and there are two ways to. There are three ways to look at that tweet. One is the way that you intended it to be. You're gonna have postponements. the second. is that sam houser. Joey house we're going to be scheduled to play for every single team. I never smoke. And they're gonna lose games. The third is that one is going to have a leading score. Another team's going to have a leading scorer supposed to play each other than the games give you those phones so it's It just made me laugh again at the right moment between that and you not knowing how to put a gif into a text threat and dropping. html embed codes. I lost it at that. You've given me some joy. The past couple nights. Hold it gift for jif gift. I don't wanna hear from the jeff people that's peanut butter. It's gifts i think i read. It's jif well. You know what i think I think the originator of the actual term has now said it's both so users preference and i'm a gift guy speaking speaking of both i. I hate both. Let's figure it out all right. I don't like. I don't like having both as an option. Like figure it out all right and i bring that up because of this the word cancelled is typed over and over and over one hundred one l. It's one l. thank you. I actually thought you were gonna go to amazon me here. It's l. but people used to wales and spellcheck doesn't catch to wells because it's allow because it's technically it's it's technically both. I know it's more often used with two in great britain but in one in the united states but you can get away with two of the united states. If you want to which. I object to like. Let's figure it out it's either gift and it's either one l. or two tired of this both stuff. Listen we are all on a tight window here sino are. We're gonna let you go. I want to get the the games coming here. But i will. I will talk. I will go grammar. Con- you any podcast anytime you mentioned britain while we're at it my my not to everyone. It is forward and backward. Eighty there are no s.'s. Ss is british english. It is backward. It is forward. It is toward that is american english. I'll grammar giving you any day of the week here. So many people think it's backwards. It's backwards if you live across the pond. It's backward here in the united states and just make a decision. That's all i'm saying if you if you insist it's gotta be to wells and cancelled. I'll play along but like let's make just decide. You can't have some people spelling one way and other people's spilling at the other way. It's totally ridiculous. We do what i intended that. Tweet demean house or tweet is that yeah like we're going to get excited about matchups and they're going to be ripped away from us. It happened with gonzaga. Baylor on saturday nights happening with virginia michigan state on wednesday night. And it really would have been awesome. You know so. They're obviously brothers. They've never played against each other ever in any sort of official game. They play each other in the driveway but like no grassroots game. No high school game no ten year old youth league game they never played against each other in official game so that would have been a cool thing to finally see an. They're like the two leading scores on top twenty teams. I did a very quick like google. Just nothing came up. Has that ever happened before. Like two brothers playing against each other top twenty top twenty teams and they're the leading scores on their tntequip. If it's happened it's rare. I'm not sure tapping. I don't i don't think so. You're espn stats. I have that you don't that you got all these other negative valid. I tell you what look that one up for me in. Text me a gist of it later. Gef gift dammit. Hey hey so we're gonna lose that game. That's a bummer Indiana four stay becomes the best game of wednesday night. That's a seven fifteen. Espn to tip. I that that's super intriguing to me similar to iowa it's about indiana isn't as expected to be as good as iowa this year but going play florida state. You got real talent there. Can you show up and really can statement. Keep an eye on that. Oklahoma at xavier is a fox sports. One tip at eight o'clock. That's intriguing to me. You're to sneaky games of the day furman at cincinnati. Five o'clock or you're going to have to stream espn Plus but firmin's capable of going in and winning that game Frankly i didn't even realize until two days ago. They had the game firm and tried to schedule. Everyone under the sun And couldn't get it done. I think cincinnati was desperate firm capable of winning that game. That is a really really intriguing. One there and the boys at byu on wednesday night at nine o'clock those are both the quality teams that could be a high scoring affair and then gp can sandiego state continue. Its undefeated run. That is thursday night. There's only one good game on thursday. San diego state at arizona state. Ten o'clock tip on fox sports run so those are the ones just to be again. If you're trying to keep track as you listen to the pod schedule to me. Those are the biggest ones terp fans. I hear you. I can only here are managing editor. Audie he's big time listener. We super appreciate it. Maryland does play at clemson. Five o'clock on wednesday. Those are both top thirty teams so it actually is a legitimate game to watch out for. It's just not the bowl. Teams aren't ranked. I don't neither teams rank so it's not gonna flare onto the radar but both teams are certainly capable of being tournament quality. So that's another good one that you keep an eye out for on wednesday as the acc is doomed to lose the big ten challenge after winning it like six seven years in a row. I feel like the big is one of the past two or three years and that's going to be the case again the season because the big ten quite clearly as bill aceh the broadcast last night the victims the best league in america. And at this point i don't think in italy has a has a pretty strong case for number two. We do appreciate you guys. Listen to podcasts. By if you actually are trying to keep up with the schedule it is so much easier to just look at the schedule is to listen to the podcast. 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Point one three percent but it was the surging cloud stocks that lead the market higher. A move like this doesn't start with wake up this morning and saying you know what I feel like buying some growth today. It starts money managers. You're stuck by the lack of worldwide growth and they default about the growth in this case. The court is the grown virus outbreak which is slammed the brakes on China. The most important growth owner president trump has worked hard to get American companies. Just up sourcing. The prize from China and he's had some success nevertheless we still rely on China for all sorts of goods from rare earth minerals medicines. Things like buds trained clothing the Chinese and he's just spent the last forty years taking share manufacturing or some people say wiping out our manufacturing. So now that you've chunks of People's Republic are locked down. I think they're going to be some real shortages more important. China's Europe's largest trading partner tons of European exports ended up in the Chinese market and suddenly that's big vulnerability. Well China's growth has been slowing for years it was slowing gradually. They had six point one percent. GDP growth last year which kind of number that developed countries would kill for with the corona virus. I China's GDP growth is about to hit a wall. He's been in. Their factories are still flying through extended post Chinese New Year vacation. Most companies that import from China tend to take down a lot of them ahead of the New Year. So that aren't our stuff and that's why don't expect him to be hurt immediately. We won't know how bad things are for maybe another week or two or maybe not until the month of March but I do think we'll have real sourcing problems that could drive up prices. If this pandemic has stopped the next clue biology growth oil. The price as of crude is very sensitive worldwide demand especially Chinese demand if China's economy grindstone halt. You expect oil to be down and sure enough. There's west Texas crude plunging below fifty dollars Barrow plus the longer term demand for well often driven by the way by airlines lock in prices. That is slack in two now most managers. Don't spend as much time talking industrials and and retailers and oil. People as I do but they don't have to you know why because he's money. Managers can take their cue from the bond market. And when they look at the bomb market the relentless Mr Kleiner interest rates tells them they need to worry about a slowdown and that's why they're switching stocks again. Put terrific numbers even in a weaker worldwide economy. How do we find him? But this point we've just gotten through the bulk of earning season so portfolio managers can take stock in the fastest growth trends that they saw during turning season incredible. You know what there's only one only one female that's resonating what and that's the cloud. Okay make sense. The offers a service companies had baffled quarter and this is uniquely American industry. Furry little autonomous no exposure to China they are born in the USA. Although it's hard to imagine Bruce Springsteen coon about him anytime soon. What makes this so enticing? I we actually saw an acceleration in the cloud. This quarter not many companies sought acceleration in the revenue. Now I didn't believe it. So when Microsoft reported incredibly strong number for Azure cloud division was an acceleration to sixty two percent many heads funds. They figured they were simply taking share from Amazon web services which number one not not at all Amazon Web Services Blue Wall. Street's estimates too and walking's expanded even it through growth slowed slightly highly. But that was really slept on the wall. Large number speaking. You don't see margin expansion when there's fierce competition though and that's why Amazon stock has caught fire since they reported. Have you seen that stock. I mean honestly since they reported have you seen now I know the output quarter was created like a bomb went off but it turns out there. Google cloud business generate some excellent numbers. That's what stocks come all the way back OPCO published a terrific piece terrific piece where they estimate. The Google cloud grew at a sixty seven percent clip. Faster than Azure. Make making it the fastest growing of the big three cloud infrastructure providers new leadership in the form of an old work. We'll start the dazzling Thomas. Carey has a huge number of fifty million dollar deals doubling year-over-year that's impressive OPCO. points out that Amazon Microsoft helping aren't really competing on price because they each have different strings Amazon's competing with at the product Microsoft with Hybrid Google with artificial intelligence machine learning. In fact what they're really competing one is capacity because the demand for data centers keeps exceeding the supply and that's why portfolio managers bid up the two companies that make the nuts and bolts of the data center. AMD's INVIDIA now remember how amd's quarter was supposedly disappointing. I told you to buy it. Well guess what now the stocks Bob where it was trading floor reported simple bad quarter as video. What can I say? They report this week in their whole product. Line isn't strong demand now when it comes to the cloud and Amdy invidia well those were vicious competitors. Who cares a visit to go round? Meanwhile the cloud theme is so strong. Strongly is totally overshadowed Amazon's retail business alphabet search business and Microsoft Windows business. Now you might think that's the tail wagging the dog but you'd be wrong. I think it's the future dog dog wagging the past tail because eventually these legacy business will be spun cloud infrastructure. All three titans. Who else wins? When we think of the cloud we think of offers a service that means we think service now all married to see that? That's been a dolby shots into Ryan. Workday Bush pushes the end where we always have Sanjay Putin on twitter. Leo Okay Not that great a quarterback saccone backup spunk salesforce our cloud kings not to mention the cloud princesses. There's this coupon hub spot prema- families save OCTA and Atlassian simple team are only dud from that group has new relic which has various a meaningful slowdown. So I'm string renew wrong out of its princely title. Hanover all wrecks. Yeah one of our favorites is taking share from Microsoft. Excel a that that that's don't get that stucco blind on your is of course we don't know how long this new failed. Love will last. If China managed to contain the corona virus. You can expect money to rotate right back out of these names and into more cyclical stocks including the semiconductor names major China exposure. There'd be bombs today we could also see some weakness of the investment. Banks are pumping got more clouds stocks. There are always more waiting in the wings but we got some good news there. I think the stink of Casper the unfriendly. IPO down almost two bucks down too rush from where it came. Public last week could keep a lid on new deals for the moment either. I know that's a mattress condie by the way that's been a terrible industry you know. It's not very firm mattress firm. The bottom line sometimes stocks fit a theme so perfectly that they can ignite the averages about any other companies. Doing anything at all. Aw that's what happened today if you own them. Don't get too greedy. You Might WanNa Rings Register. We've definitely got a hold onto something. I wanted the Marvin and New York Marvin. Yeah good evening. Jim a been washing show for about ten years. My wish is on. CBS Viacom to me. She's like is the value. I mean could earn seven thousand seventy six cents and the and the PS four thousand four and the PS four forty Shelvin and they pay a dividend to seventy seven and the market cap is twenty. One billion net Alexei is going to spend eighteen billion content on the bed. It was just buying that argument. I talk a lot about my winners national words. We know Microsoft. We hadn't Amazon. We had known Alphabet Alphabet One of my biggest losers fi communist power that I want to describe what I said last week. Oh my conference call gets me so angry. I screwed up on this. I believe in the company it is too cheap to sell. It sells it the lowest multiple of any stock I follow. ESPN five hundred. But I was wrong. Got It wrong. I believe that I'm wrong. And that's wrong wrong not early wrong. So gotta take all the things you said are true. It's what drew me to it. But I am wearing the Viacom posted and if we had gaffer tape. I'd put it on right now the AC right here on real estate their rent in Missouri. Rann Hey Jim Medicare Asia birthday. Well thank you. It is different than part. D been working on that they got worse. Portsea I guess I get A and I give up my good but anyway yeah I mean. It's a mixed blessing this Medicare I'm working on it though what's up. It's good to see you got your sleeves. Rolled up ready to go for the Little Guy. Thank you man. I'm calling. I heard about the security that should not be affected by the corona virus there last report earnings and sales estimates they also continuously razor dividend but the stock is built a tear lately market excess M. K. T. X.. What do you tipping? Well as my friend Michael Hell you would say winner winner chicken dinner. You own that stock politically. I think it is definitely aware player. The clouds stocks are winning. But don't be green. If you own some you may want to ring the register on part not all but part of your position but please hold onto. There's something there now. Does that tell you the truth about five. Like crack staff knows exactly how to make me look good on tonight. There's take two interactive still. Have game in this market. I'm sitting down with a CEO earned to see what's ahead for the company and on the road to profitability. So could this be your ticket to ride. Mind the copy of the recent rally and what your next. We'll be when it comes to the fossil fuels in this market. I'm giving my take. You know what you're never too old. Eat your word. I don't miss a second of mad money. Follow at Jim Cramer on twitter. I have a question tweet. Tweet Gramer Hashtag mad tweets send Jimmy Mail to mad money. CNBC DOT COM or give us a call at one. Eight hundred bridge 743 CNBC. They something. Ed Tha mad money does CNBC DOT COM and at Fidelity we work to get you a better price for every trade see how much we saved. INVESTORS LAST YEAR AT FIDELITY DOT com slash price improvement fidelity brokerage services is member NYSE SIPC. It just happened to stock. Take Iraq Sofer one of my favorite names the video game space for years. You're than this grand theft auto read every option to all the two case works titles borderlands the outer worlds take two has some amazing franchises yet. Last Thursday night the company reported what was widely viewed as a disappointing quarter which sent stock plunging nearly twelve percent of product even though they delivered a top and bottom line beat with solid for your guidance. Okay there are a couple of days. Take Two's net bookings came in ever so slightly weaker inspected thanks to swap performance from Beit. UK IN W W W which by the way they call now because this is an amazing transparent company vein coal now still imagine. Legend wasn't able to give us enough caller about the coming year to get an investors excited about the future for that. I can't blame them. So is this a by Cuny with the stock down from one twenty seven to one eleven or do we need we more cautious. Let's check in with Strauss zoning. Chairman CEO of take two interactive software. Get a better reader. The worst companies had officials others. Welcome back to money. Strauss having Manuel I. I've got to congratulate you and I don't mean to be back in but a lot of companies they'll tell you that they didn't miss anything and they did. I'm reading the listen carver our school. You were the one who told the wait a second. We didn't do as we didn't were up to snuff. Were not happy theirselves. So can you improve it. I think we can. You know I think there. There is a lot of good news in the quarter. It's mostly good news in the quarter after all we got it up twice during the year and we landed right in the middle of our guidance I think the market's gotten very used to US beating concise. It's a beating consensus beating guidance. And here we're right in the middle. Most of the news is great and one thing that was actually lost as grand theft auto online is now expected to have another record year for more than six years after its initial release Orleans three is sold in eight million units. NBA Two K.. Is Pacing ahead of NBA Two K.. Nineteen last year in terms of units sold red. Deborah is sold twenty nine million units grand theft auto. Five is now up to one hundred twenty million. So let's talk about the softness okay. There are two ticket head on what people talk about where we think we can do. Better the first is people are very accustomed to only great news coming out of the NBA again franchise and we said we don't expect to set a record. Could this year. We expect to do great but not why we made changes in the in game economy which met the recurrent consumer spending right won't be quite as high as we expected. We celebrate engagement. In fact the mighty mode is up thirty five percent and engagement and it's an immensely profitable title. We won't expect to set a record. The bleak spot. I'll be rather small. Small Business was. WWe To twenty where we really missed on quality and we therefore missed on sale I was on the WBZ conference call for the actual actual company and they fired a guy who has been on the show. I thought was pretty good guy. I got the sense that there's something very negative going on in the company right now. Can that impact you. We have to take responsibility for what we do is a great brand. It's growing where it should be growing. We've great relationship with them. Our game was not up up to measure. It was not good enough but you gave us not up to measure. That's one of the things you pride yourself on. Yes and in fact the most disappointing thing is. We made a decision therefore for I made the decision to bring the Development House and everyone expected higher quality this year and our our scores are actually down so we have more work to do all right now. there was the departure and it hadn't started in the spring. We didn't know it. Was Dan houser now a Lotta People's Rockstar. A lot of people love this man and think he is the creative genius genius behind rock but behind great cheese grand theft. You made the point that his brother's still there but you did not answer the question about whether he was the creative seen Jesus so well first of all we're so blessed we've so many creative geniuses and as you know we always described the team Sam houser founded Rockstar Games over twenty years ago. He's been with the company ever since he's president of the label. Dan was vice president of creative and he's been on an extended leave since last spring and he's decided to move on and we wish him well okay and we really value is contributions. They're more than two thousand members of the Rockstar team. Okay so we really believe it's a team sport and Sam Houser is a great player coach. Alright results are incredible now being able to say look. We're going to set another record for grand theft auto online this year. Now let's talk about some of the things that can really go right. We're close to Jensen. Want when gentleman wishes you happy birthday which is but he showed me ray tracing. He showed me what they have. There's no difference between an actual movie. which is the world you're from and this world that you're also from which is video games now you're able to assess this? Is this not the quantum leap that we've all been waiting for. I think you're GONNA see with the new console generation Asian coming out from both Microsoft and Sony in the next holiday season. It is a big leap forward that is true to all different kinds of technology. Technological advances. Not just retrace trey site and I think we're going to have an even bigger and broader and better canvas on which to paint do you think is going to be like four G. to five G. that kind of thing always hard to say after all. We don't even know what the real meal expression of five G. as either true. I do think it's going to be a big step forward. And our developers very excited about what they can bring to the screen. All right let me kind of all. There's a new. Of course I unfortunately stay at home move. China could come here. Unfortunately because of corona plays to take two hands I know you don't want to. I know I wanna ask you that because I know put you in awkward position. But let's put it this way people anything about this anything that causes more people to stay at home is good for tick well. Ah I'm GonNa let you say those words. My own view is we. We would never wanNA benefit from someone else's discounts. I thank you. It's hard to know in when I was in the movie business. If we had a bad opening people would say it was a weather and if we had a good opening they would not. It was the weather so I'm not sure actually this. Let's do a different one. Osters down twenty percent this year. Good for take too well in fact yes I mean. We're in the fastest growing business in the entertainment industry and we expect that to continue now as we just said. I've said this before. I'm good days on less good days. I'll also say we have to execute when mostly executed succeeded in this past quarter not across the board. We have more to do. I've followed you for years. And if you say you're GONNA performance that's when you buy the the stock because you don't find that kind of underperformance acceptable. No I certainly don't excellent. Thank you so much stress thanks Zelic. He's chairman CEO of take two interactive. He only had a couple long breakdowns. In the stock everyone followed by a break out. Quarter may have money back into the break. Let me start worrying that a company can't change its stripes. Just look it over when this thing came publicly. Spring management's seemed unconcerned with profitability. Game Plan was to keep losing money in order take much but fast growing companies with Oranje swiftly follow favor on the Wall Street fashion show an Uber stock spent the summer getting hammered. That's from that something remarkable. They changed course. They've done it in record time. Suddenly Uber Cares about profitability. In fact they expect to turn a profit literally by the end of the year. And that's why the stock doc search nine point five percent on Friday. What a move? I want positive uber in late November. Okay why it was still bucket. Twenty nine Ele- forty. I think he's got more room to run. Let me tell you why turned positive because the company sure made it easy on me. I attorney has been in the works for a while. Now and last week's fantastic results is also learned that determines working even better than expected CEO. Derek close. We're shot. He has gotten aggressive about exiting markets. Where the company's losing too much money that's what we learned in December eight breeds zindi business up for sale? I wish he said the whole darn thing because online food food delivery is a tough industry. Last week we learned that he'd sold it to a made up one of the largest food absent. India this is structured a lot googlers past deals where they sell their far flung operations in exchange for a stake in the combined entity when they sold their Chinese business to Devi Shutian in two thousand sixteen. They've got a twenty percents. Taking which is China's were ridesharing kingpin when they sold their Southeast Asia. Business to grab in two thousand eighteen. They got a twenty seven point. Five stick basically Uber keeps dropping money-losing passes and exchanging them for ownership stakes in market leaders. It by the way leaders that they have a hand in creating 'cause they move out of the market when you take a step back and look at all these moves. As a whole uber stunt suddenly suddenly just but also steadily become a more domestically focused business with the portfolio of International Holdings. Feels a lot like some others that we like one that we like. I see interactive or Softbank. We don't but didn't like a one time in the long run. I think these overseas best could be huge winners. Who took a small stake in Ali Baba and then remember that ended up? Wow more important than the short-term they're pairing back expensive money losers to focus on profitability. Meanwhile it doesn't hurt that. There were hearing rumors consolidation. Shen domestic food delivery space overeats has been a black hole for these guys but it might be a lot more valuable to say grubb merges with Jordache natural competitors of of course grabs denied the possibility they did it again last week but these stories gave Uber Stock. A major boots now so going into the quarter. Last week they're already already been meaningful improvement. We just didn't know how meaningful when Uber Poorer on Thursday night the company. You did it really. Did I hate to use this overused cliche right. But he didn't shoot the lights out. They delivered a nice top and bottom line revenue up thirty seven percent year via a market acceleration for the previous quarter along with more than expected expected. Loss gross bookings increased by twenty eight percent. Morton's improved dramatically. You know much that that means it means like the competition is probably dropping a little bit. It's getting less competitive monthly. The average platform consumers meaning users. They have twenty two percent even better on the conference call. Dr Costs were shot. He told US exactly what we wanted to hear. I The ridesharing business is it is profitable. It raked in seven hundred million dollars in earnings before interest taxes depreciation amortization or Ebitda Uber's having a lot of success overseas and their attempts to differentiate between high and and Lo and services are paying off big time. Second recess still a money loser as they try to become the number one and number two player in all the markets custer shy also said we'll continue to follow the rides hides playbook focusing on turning the dial toward healthy growth market leadership and margin expanses netflix curtailing loss throughout the year. That's what we wanted and some of these very very properly just wanted to get out of the ones that aren't he added that this current quarter should be the period peak investment for the business year peak investment mini spending with some go down biscuits investment. You Compete Marcus where they think they can win. But it looks like the bail Marcus where they're losing. which is exactly what I was pleading with when they reported before third and most important? Dour dropped a bombshell telling you sit. Uber was targeting positive earnings before interest taxes depreciation amortization by the fourth. Quarter of this year. Imagine Agean year-over-year contrast between they were losing money. And maybe even making my is GonNa be incredible how they get their better execution as he. Sarah mccalla I'm going to quote here. It's important that we plan to achieve this profitability target assuming only modest improvements in the competitive environment and without the assumption of any and changes to our current portfolio of business in quote in in other words. This isn't some pie-in-the-sky forecast it's basically Uber's ability to help itself. He kept Harry home. The point that Uber is not it. Just pursuing growth is pursuing profitable growth. Listen to this quote while we've already started demonstrating strong profitability improvements. We you twenty twenty as it truly transformational. You're beyond which we believe we will merge stabilize gross bookings and revenue growth continued focusing leveraging our cost basis and a positive Ebitda and quote Uber Rule. No longer chase. What he calls quote bookings that are essentially empty calories at cheer but I heard that meaning unprofitable rights deliveries then Darryl that what might have been considered mixed or even disappointing guidance if a company was still focused on growth at any cost? But you're supposed to last year at this time the twenty twenty bookings and adjusted net revenue projections. We're both substantial. Because they expect it now. I thought that was going to kill it. But if you hear him talk so much about proper. Wall Street love these numbers because the profitability figures. Here's were off the charts off those sales Uber's forecast Ian Abbott loss of dollar forty five the dark twenty five billion this year much better than dollar seventy to thirty one point seven. Two billion lost the looking for this is the tangible evidence that the companies sacrificing growth. And there's empty calories only order of prophets and that's that's exactly what this market wants to see no wonder the stock rally nearly ten percent on ugly tape on Friday. I go up again today. I think this may be a gift for you. Just listen to what Derek America's course Rashard told aunt or only issue sorkin and a fabulous interview on squawk box. You Look at our plan for twenty twenty for every dollar of revenue growth from q four. We expect to drop fifty cents to fifty five cents to the bottom line within. That's absolutely doable to get to profitability. Liebau Q.. Four but at the same time make the kinds of investments that we want to make to keep a high growth rate for many years. That's incredibly reassuring. From frankly someone who is completely completely bank both my respecting great deal. Of course hooper's not perfect. They're in constant war against local regulators. Who tend to favor the interest local cab companies Tony West General Counsel in there fighting fighting for your nose cases though he's terrific? They didn't say much about Uber Freight which I wanted to. That's their effort to rationalize the. I think it's working and I'm still worried about the delivery space base where you have companies like postponed door dash. Don't care if they lose money because they have deep pockets venture capital backers who operated off the same revenue growth at all costs playbook that is so out of style with Casper asper breaking ten today but in forty dollars this one is worth it remember. This thing came last spring forty five and it was a much worse company back then. The bottom line phenomenal a nominal quarter and it was phenomenal last Thursday. Uber's clearly got sacked either on betting. This doc can sail past forty. Five dollars is just a taxi service and I think you keep climbing. Lowest matchmaking hit the profitability target. They laid out last week and I believe in their ability to make the numbers because in Darah we trust Roy in California Rooi each from candy. California what's up. We all on one wish you happy birthday. Thank you and it's all my mom's birthday I gotta that's Nice Heavy hitter appreciate it thank. It's true cosworth birthday. This is something. This is a real great day so bombers birthday jam all the real ones was born today all right so today wanted to ask you You know one of my favorites secular trends to invest in is the proliferation of disruptive disruptive software and technology companies. Some of my Biggest winners have been with companies like shot the fired all tricks. Oh my God. That's good companies. Yeah we're we're obviously obviously seeing the growth of ECOMMERCE. He's also got the Internet of things we got the five G.. Rollout the growth of Fintech all these different sectors are pretty hot right now right right so with that being said you know if you're like the importance of cybersecurity really should be at the top of every. CEO's mind today not only to protect their own companies data but also the customers. Okay and I know that cybersecurity it's pretty competitive space. Yes it is and we also have China out there making making a demand demanding that we haven't with just the Equifax. So how can I help exactly so. We'd love to get your perspective today about crowd. Strike is best in breed shared. WD I say by by it. I think it's terrific. I really like it. That's a good one. Speaking of the ones I like the stock of hoover. Let's not forget Hoover's gotten its act together. There is a big block according to bloomer. That's out there about six billion shares might be a great opportunity. Okay now I think it will hit its targets and therefore therefore this docking keep climbing through. It's forty five dollars price where it came public much more money including how an announcement from Georgetown University has colon. My view of fossil fuels then Bernie Sanders can be China's worst economic nightmare. Although no one's thinking about that. I am all explained in order to call routing parts right I just so stay with Kramer who in the past few days in Washington. DC at Georgetown. University's parents we can. I've got some important news. Ah talking about the hoyas throwing come for my victory over the Depaul University Blue Demons on Saturday. That was terrific contest. I'm talking about fossil fuels else. That's Thursday Georgetown's president now that the university would be divesting fossil-fuel investments over the course of the next decade. You want to know why I think. Oil and gas stocks stocks are bent won't term investments. Well this is a huge part of it although crucially sell them exactly at this moment. GCE just got crushed. Today I spent the whole energy complex to get a major boost later this year. And that's when you should sell more on that in a minute while off gas stocks into strength later this year. Because it's not only Georgetown just just the day before the faculty at Harbor Mile Mater voted overwhelming demand that the universities in down and pull out of fossil fuels these stories. Just keep coming up. It feels like because the best movement is now turning to real groundswell and once it seems take off. We have a life of their own. They can major impact and it's not only university. Remember last month blackrock. One of the largest asset managers Manson Earth Republican brace sustainability and said. They'd make it a significant part of their investment decisions. Microsoft's going carbon negative twenty. Thirty minute went out there and did the show this stuff matters. People people look at a lot of people particularly you will yes people. Obviously we can have when I talk back in quick that oil stocks were in the death knell phrase face and that they reminded at the tobacco stocks when they got an investable. But this is not about me. It's not about you either when you pick stocks needed to gain out where big money managers or go to put their capital. These days tastes more and more funds including Eugene Versi damage our earmarking their money for es g purposes that's environment sustainability and corporate governance. That said even though other not investable I do think the oils are for the moment and I don't like them tradeable. It starts look like president. Trump's the prohibitive favorite any point going the election the whole fossil fuel complex should give you a major bats. Republicans love fossil fuels polls. That make it look like the. GOP's push back little house representatives. And I bet the energy sector could roar from these levels so I'm not saying this is the bottom. I am saying there could be a tradable rally. And that's why we're still hanging onto BP from Channel Trust which you follow on by joining the actual is plus dot com. Tom Club believe me. I don't want to own it but since it can rally down big on it with this red hot economy giving president trump abuse. I'm betting we'll have a better chance to sell them today with with West Texas intermediate crude breaking gamble fifty. So that's important cabinet as I predicted the oil's been hammered here and anything can dead cat bounce including stocks. Whoever never once these talks do bounce listen to me? You GOTTA sell string. LONG-TERM I believe the whole fossil fuel complex is a lot of trouble. Can't owned you simply cannot make good money owning long-term long term because it's very difficult for fossil fuel companies to go carbon neutral. I can't imagine how many trees excellent after go plan in order to become carbon neutral. Getting this is not political. It's about the mechanics of money management. Let me explain. Georgetown says they're going to cease. NEW INVESTMENTS IN FOSSIL FUEL companies and solve their current holdings and fossil fuel stocks over the next five years. Georgetown is only the second major treat adversity to make this commitment right by the University of California system. Why does that matter because it's coming from the students at Georgetown conducted a year long review process in response to the student pressure? Although I believe that the poor performance of energy stocks in recent years made this a much easier call well. Georgetown only has one point. Eight Billion Dollars Endowment roughly the sixtieth they'd be on the bubble team in the march. Manderson down what's the point. Is that students and faculty are pushing for the same thing pretty much everywhere where you're just seeing the manifestation right now. Georgetown you know. WHO's the number one seed of endowments? It's Harvard Harvard which had nearly forty billion under management as of last year last asked me corporate fat leave Arts and Sciences voted in favor of divestment. One hundred seventy nine to twenty and university president said it's under consideration. The Faculty thinks that investing fossil fuels makes them look. They're probably right kids. These days take climate change very seriously alumni who donate money to Harvard. Take it seriously. The family doesn't control all the portfolio. But they have a very loud voice even if you think. Climate change is a hoax you gotTa admit that successful hose. A lot of people believe a real problem especially from todd. DOC people at universities. That's why expect more more schools to get onboard for Divestiture Bandwagon. And that's going to push these stocks down long-term project late last month pin Hinn announced they would no longer invest in dirty types of energy thermal coal oil from Tar Sands. That's what you're sending the two years before. They decide to fully divest from fossil fuels six months ago. The University Versi California system now said it's the best from fossil fuels but they didn't do it to placate environmentals as chief investment officer explained at the time quote we believe hanging onto fossil awesome fuel assets is a financial risk. That's why we will have made our thirteen point. Four billion dollars fossil free as of the end of this month and wire seventy billion dollars pension pension plan will soon be that way as well inquiry. Hey they have a point since the University of California made that investment that announcement about investing in September the the energy select. SP OR SPIDER ETF. The actually is down eleven percent while the S&P five hundred is up eleven percent then. Dow's up eight. Nasdaq up. Seventeen the goods. It's a dog. It's been a dog for years. People realize the fleas ain't going away. The problem is very simple. The oil and gas industry is a victim of success. Thanks to the shale revolution we're sitting on massive quantities. The vote on gas here in the United States. There's a ton of capacity is going on us because it's just not possible with the price of one hundred dollars. Every time the price up producers spigot prices go right back down and natural is even worse shape. Those prices are at the lowest level before years. That's why the earnings in this had been so disappointing. It's all service place like core lab. That's a good company have slashed their dividends and I expect to see a ton of MLB NAT gas companies. Do the exact same thing. In the near future there will be many bankruptcies of kissed doesn't rally and we're almost out of the win win started commodity spikes again to celebrate here. I don't know what I think will bounce horb because later this year. Well Kim can't can't resist big deals summer unsafe when they rebound. That's when you gotTa Bill. Who Am I to make this call? Came back in Nineteen eighty-three when I was a harvard. Law School the school was heavily. Invested in companies that were doing lots of business in apartheid South Africa I organised administration that it was immoral to invest in South Africa. But not only that. It was also so bad business bad for our endowment in the end Harbor Parsley invested from South Africa and the best movement put enormous pressure on the heinous apartheid regime to hold free elections. I'd like to play a role in that decision but I don't think I was alone in recognizing these stocks as terrible investments. Were selling anyway. We saw all the same thing with big tobacco in the nineties when they became at risk investments. I think we're now seeing it with fossil fuels. It's one thing to own world companies stocks going up. But when they're going down it's easy to take a principled. We'll stand against pollution. Plume wrecking your portfolio. which they will the bottom line among the growing vestment movement the Lousy Fundamentals and possibly some big regulatory hits down the road? It's too hard to invest in fossil fuels anymore on betty have a good trade out of the group of President. Trump's numbers keep ticking up once that happens hey you get need to sell and sell into whatever strength and get and be finished with this group as an investment that money's back into the brain From yeah my birthday any news unless round is over. Are you ready Ski Daria. I Special Craven Park Dancers dug in Nevada dog. Jim Thanks for taking my call. Happy Birthday to my portfolio. Ud your thoughts CNN actually. It's not bad. I mean minutes better than it used to be and it's got some good income if you really do like the beer business. I suggest constellation of only. Because I think it's been a big comeback. Let David in Virginia Virginia David. Jim How the back you. 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Gonzaga dominates but has positive COVID tests, Virginia might have fooled everybody, and Villanova doubles down on casino hoops (College Basketball 11/27)

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Gonzaga dominates but has positive COVID tests, Virginia might have fooled everybody, and Villanova doubles down on casino hoops (College Basketball 11/27)

"Hey there it's gary parachutes friday november twenty seven two thousand and twenty. Welcome back to the cbs sports. I own college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting and leaky black matt orlando is here with me. Hope you guys had a happy and safe thanksgiving holiday. And i suppose we'll start with the most disgust college basketball. Pass twenty four hours. And that is the gonzaga bulldogs. I on thursday. Tupper beat six rate. Kansas ninety awesome performance and then on friday afternoon mark to the gonzaga coach. Confirm that the zags beat auburn on friday morning. Nine hundred sixty seven after a player believed to be julian straw. They're tested positive for covid. Nineteen so norlander. We're gonna get into next credible opening week on the court second. But let's start here where you surprise in an auburn still played on friday after a gonzaga player test positive. I was surprised because my opinion is that if other teams and i'm not saying all other teams but many other teams were in that situation. The game would not have been played in my opinion. If gonzaga ran into the issues it ran into and it was playing in belleville. gonzaga would not have played. It's game on friday. Gonzaga might not have even played a game against kansas or fill in the other opponent again. If you put it in. And i'm i'm speaking from what i'm seeing here and the protocols and everything that goes into place to even holding this in the state of connecticut okay. Gonzaga had a member of its travel party test positive on thursday gonzaga took two different planes to the event specific and has taken two different buses. It's it's doing specifically to guard against this. But obviously there is no full on guarding against this so we played kansas. And we'll get but then you know at least one player as positive another believed to be The players roommate is kept out as a precautionary reason. And the game goes off because and you can speak to a gp. Frankly we'll we'll get to virginia san francisco the minute but i was i was. I was watching that game. So i didn't hear fuse press conference. I've seen some of what he said. They're the relying on the florida health officials as being the ones that were to clear it and the health officials down there made that determination and it might wind up that that determination is going to be okay in the end. But i've received four text messages from coaches to heads to assistance. All of them basically asking why in the hell is gonzaga in auburn. Being allowed to play right now one of them saying if this was us there is no shot in hell that we would have been able to play and so this this is certainly captured. A little bit of attention around the college basketball world understandably so gonzaga's looked awesome. But you can make an easy argument that it that it should not have a have played the game. What are your thoughts. And then what can you share for the listeners. That might not have seen a about what few said in his postgame. Zoom press conference. Okay so mark was clearly asked about it and he said he kept it very simple. He's did we followed turns guidelines not we tournament guidelines were were in place and established. We had this positive test. And then we follow the guidelines and then the florida health officials came in and they contact tracing how they contact tracing. They told us we were okay. We were cleared to play and we play. He kept it. He didn't really expand anymore than that but listen. They didn't do anything illegal. They possibly did something irresponsible but didn't do anything illegal. They didn't act in defiance of the tournament or florida. Health officials noted that florida as a state hasn't taken covid nineteen that seriously to begin with. So what florida. Health officials were okay. Where quite clearly would be the same thing that said california. Health officials are okay. Wis lucky if they wanted to play the game. They're lucky they were in florida as opposed to to somewhere else. And you're exactly right. It's bubble ville or in south dakota. I don't believe this game would have been played. Wichita state got sent home from south dakota because they had maybe a couple of people in the travel and party test positive. They were like okay. Get outta here. You're not playing today. you're not playing tomorrow. you're not playing it off. So i don't know that this game would have been played if it were a tournament. Where you're at or in south dakota but because this was sort of a thing they put together in fort myers as long. Auburn was cool to play and gonzaga wanted to play. they were allowed to pluck. I though was surprised that the game went off. Because i mean we've seen baseball teams. Get shut down over one positive test during the major league baseball season the world series if it would have if the dodgers did not win the game justin turner had to be removed because they got a positive test back of the game so they take justin turner around. They complete that game. The understanding was that game. Seven of the world series would not have been the following night. They would not have played until everybody can test test test for a few days and they make sure it's safe to play and so yes. I was surprised that they played the game. And hopefully nothing comes from it that it doesn't end up being a quote unquote superspreader of it. Because if we an outbreak now at gonzaga because by the way gonzaga tweet video from the locker room after the victory over kansas and they're all celebrating no mask jewish authors in front of mark. Few right in the middle of the celebration. He is believed to be the one who test positive. So hopefully nothing comes of this but if we have a subsequent outbreak at gonzaga or subsequent at auburn gonzaga is going to become the biggest story in college basketball. And it's not going to be a sports story anymore. It won't be because jalen suggs looks. Incredible it'll be because they knew they positive test in their locker room and they played less than twenty four hours putting their players at risk and the auburn players at risk. I hope it doesn't come to that. But if it comes to that this becomes a bigger story than just to college basketball story. It becomes something that's on. Cbs evening news. Yeah we'll wait and see if that does happen. I mean auburn's gotta be you know held equally responsible and all of this because it opted to play the game regardless you know there was no self imposed penalty here. Handed down by bruce pearl. That was not in play on friday and so inherently like. You know the chances. Go up that you're going to potentially be infected. We don't know but it's clearly out there. I mean there are. There are no shortage of schools and athletic directors coaches. Just straight up would not play the game. So we'll wait arizona. State would not play baylor because the baylor coach tested positive. Not even a player who was who was gonna who was on the court with other players twenty four hours earlier right and that came from that even came from above. Bobby's hurley's bobby hurley's had which is the case in a lot of these instances but frankly what gonzaga auburn decided to do it. Just flies in the face of convention in college sports in professional sports that we've seen and we'll will you know we're recording this on friday afternoon. We'll wait and see what's going to happen here. Gonzaga's got some high profile games ahead and we're really enough one of them's blade baylor like if there's if there's one team that's actually going to be good with this like it's baylor. They might just play the game regardless. But we'll wait and see if either of these teams are now forced because if it gets another positive one after that like they have no choice. They're going to have to shut down for two weeks and then ask themselves if playing against auburn was really worth it you know. Was it worth it. Because now you're gonna lose these other games We'll wait and see but yeah no. It's it's certainly. It's a major item and i'll give i wanna give credit to To bubba prog. Tim burke on twitter because even he does he captures all these videos. And that's a good job of it. I mean it could have been coincidence but like it's just not a good sign. Like cameras caught mark. Few coughing like rather significantly during the game so the optics at minimum to use a buzzword. Just aren't good when this happens. Hopefully everyone can remain healthy. And hopefully this will isolates best. You can but you know they got to get back on the plane and fly to indianapolis now you know mask and hope that it doesn't spread but this is a highly contagious infectious disease. And so wait and see. It's it's it's it's not a good sign in. My opinion would have been better off not playing the game. But it's relying on the protocols of the event it's relying on the florida health officials. Kansas and saint joe's by the way had to be good with this. They play their own game. Kansas one so here we are. And i'll leave it with and then we can talk about what kentucky's action showed us on the court. I guarantee you. I would think you would agree with this impression. I guarantee you that this is not what college administrators from the nc double a. To records presence this is not the example. They want set. They don't wanna see schools producing positive cova tests for a player on the roster within twenty four hours of and then the game getting played. Anyway they don't want to see this happen. It happened with gonzaga. Will if it's aberration or not the last thing i would say is. They did what they were allowed to do that. That's sort of what mark settled on as he was trying to explain this list. The medical officials cleared us to play the tournament. We stayed within tournament guidelines. And that's what. I will say that just because you are allowed to do something doesn't mean it's smart to do you know what you're allowed to do in florida is not the same thing you would be allowed to do. In a state that takes virus a little more seriously. For instance. I think most people now. I live in north mississippi. My wife owns a store in north mississippi and throughout this entire pandemic with a victory short one short exception there has been no mass mandate in the city in which her business operates and so she was allowed to run her store without requiring customers to to wear masks and so if she wanted to she was ever asked if she allows customers inside without mask why she could honestly say well. I'm just following. What the local health officials say is okay. You know they say it's okay and so it's okay but the entire time still does right now because just because the politicians in in our county don't take this seriously for reasons we don't even have to get into. I said it was north mississippi for crying out loud just because they say it's okay doesn't mean as smart doesn't mean is actually okay. They they allow you to do it but it doesn't make it okay and so it is possible. That is what we're going to run into with this gonzaga aubert game. They were allowed to play because the tournament said it's cool and florida. Health officials said it was cool. But was it really okay to do. we'll see. Some people are already argue. We don't have to wait to see if there's an outbreak you know if there's not an outbreak it means they got lucky it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do but this story will come and go as long as there's no outbreak zagre or no outbreak at auburn. But if there's a outbreak at gonzaga or an outbreak at like i said gonzaga's going to become the biggest story in the sport and it won't just because they're awesome. It'll be because they in the minds of certain medical officials. I'm certain acted recklessly. In attempting to play a second game of the season immediately after a player test positive for covid nineteen all right as for gonzaga and what is done on. The court is obviously worth Plenty of discussion regardless of the circumstances surrounding them even getting both these games and they beat. They beat kansas one or two ninety on thanksgiving and then on friday here on friday. They easily handle auburn with a nine hundred. Sixty seven win the headlines. Out of this are jalen suggs being an absolute monster against kansas. But not just only him and we will focus on him in a second here. But you had drew timmy. Go for twenty. Five points kipper. Twenty-three sucks at twenty four incan as convincing win over kansas like it was a twelve point spread and kansas floated and kept it. Close a little bit. But i never felt like kansas was actually going to threaten to really ever win that game. I felt like a double digit game for most of it. So they get the win there and then amid the plenty of noise leading up to the tip with with the auburn game. The comeback and hello timmy. Twenty-eight points kiss twenty five excuse me and suggs ads. Twelve along with six times was great again. The supporting cast looks extremely good as well. Y- played better on thanksgiving than he did. on friday. Andrew hard had more of an impact will game against kansas and he did against auburn but the fact that he's coming off the bench is like he would start for. It's not an exaggeration. internet hardwood start for. I think almost any team. Except maybe two or three. Maybe in the country and he's coming off the bench at this point Gp your thoughts on on what kazak has done by kind of just throwing a hammer down in definitively. Declaring itself is the best team in america. I just don't think there's any remote argument for anyone else at this point villanova's not lost yet. We'll get them in a few. We haven't seen behler play. We saw virginia. Didn't we'll get to that as well. There just doesn't seem to be any team right now. I don't wanna say in in the zacks orbit. I don't wanna go that far. But it has just simply looked like such an incredibly well built team that the pre season hype is Is validated and by the way had them at number one dating back to when you first did your top twenty five and a top twenty five update in late march. Appreciate you mentioning that. Because if you didn't you know i was. I know you. You are not only talking to the ncaa of atlanta atlantan media day. You were talking to the person who had gonzaga ranked number one in the two thousand and twenty twenty one season all the way back in march and never wavered not when phillip patricia turn pro. Not when anything else happened. I had zags number one and now i see our friends like jeff goodman some of these other guys talking about. How could anybody not have gonzaga guys didn't have gonzaga number one. All season that was gp gp. Did that the emcee of atlantic ten media day. The president of the bill henderson fan club. And so do they look more awesome than i thought. They sure i mean like right now. Drew timmy's averaging twenty six point. Five points eight rebounds through two games okay and it's one thing when it's like against chicago state and and whatever this is against to power conference teams kansas and aubert bill in bruce pearl andrew. Timmy's averaging twenty six point five points. eight point. Zero two games court. Kipper is at twenty four points and five rebounds jalen suggs is eighteen points and seven assists and they. I don't want to say they look on operable like they did. Of course no college basketball. Teams unstoppable in the modern era. But they did shoot sixty four point five percent for the field against a seventy seven point three percent from two point range against kansas. They've got two convincing victories over power conference teams. Auburn is not that good but cases a legitimate top. Ten team. They they they look great and suggs. Looks really comfortable. Ready and honestly better than i thought he would look reminds me a little bit of a couple of situations i remember in two thousand ten. Dukes wins and national title and the next year. They bring back nolan smith. They bring back cal singler. And i remember going to do very early in that season. Maybe even the preseason and talking to talking to nolan struck how they talked about kyrie irving these are two all american upperclassmen who just want a national championship and they were like. Oh no kyrie's different. He's our best player. I just. I was surprised to hear that then. Clearly kyrie was now. That season went sideways because he got hurt but still the point remains the same same thing. Memphis two thousand seven. They go to an elite eight. Bring back chris. Douglas antonio anderson joey dorsey doja for the championship. They enrolled derrick rose and derek. Wasn't that teams best player. Who's actually chris. Douglas roberts when you talk to those upperclassmen about their crows they were like he's different than the rest of us. he's just a different level. Everything and jalen suggs look for gonzaga. Right now he is joining a team with an incredibly talented and experienced nucleus and he looks like a real difference maker and it's not just scoring. It's playmaking it's passing. He's he's special man. That that that team. I think is special. Yeah and that's where. I land right now and that we rated kiss burt as a preseason. All american preseason top ten player in the country. And i still think that it's possible that kiss ver could be the team's most important player. I guess but like drew. Timmy has immediately. He's immediately just reliable and automatic in and around the rim great touch and then you add in suggs who was expected to be an impactful player but few told me a month ago he said listen suggs is going to get there but he's hitting the same kind of preseason freshman wall that pretty much every single four-star guy we've had because he's such is the best recruit in history the program and so he said he said that wall like he'll get there he's learning but he's he's taken his lumps in practice. Well i mean. He's immediately over the hump. He's we've had a nice opening to two and a half as we talk here a freshman stepping in shining playing. Well you know at a miller illinois a decent job Decentrally kind of underselling. Kate cunningham played well. Evan mobely looked good Josh christopher arizona state looked really good. Marcus bagley had a better first game in game. The point is we are not short on five star prospects from the class of twenty twenty stepping in and right away showing that they're ready for this and suggs is at the top of the list. I mean he has been Immediately good and he in some ways he he's not as explosive and he's not as go go. Go go go as russell westbrook. But i feel like he is a notch below and a notch below. What westbrook was when he was at ucla and then when he became really in the part of his his his pro career there he. He's just he's that physical completely unafraid to go at the rim against anyone and when we're talking about saga having three all american level players like you gotta figure that someone's going to bump one at least one of the other two out but i would totally believe you told me at the end. The season one of these three is going to be first team. One of these three is going to be second team. All american and then the third guy might not make a third team all american but if there is a fourth or fifth team he clearly landed on it. They've been that good in that consistently we are early understand. I overreact about virginia. We'll get to that. So i will try and keep some restraint here but it's just undeniable the talent they have unless you just hope. Let's hope everything is okay and then it can actually get these games in the next two weeks against really good opponents because we'd like to see gonzaga be healthy responsible and actually get to play the best opponents gonna play oh yes. Reminder reminder is in the wc that's got good teams but there's no one else in that league that matches the level opponent. They're scheduled a play for the next three weeks. It's rare for a school to have to first of all americans but it's not unprecedented. It does happen and gonzaga. Looks like a good candidate to do it this year. Whether it's timmy. And kiss bird. Or timmy inside. I think it's timmy. And somebody else. I mean he looks fantastic so far they could absolutely have to first team all americans particularly if they just roll through this thing which it looks like they they could. I'm not talking undefeated season on november twenty seven. But they could certainly you know. Put together You know the type of record. They put together last season when they were going to be a number one seed in the tournament. Had we have an incident play tournament. One last thing on the zags. The case this win was mark view. Six hundred career wins so now he's sitting six a one you know he's averaged twenty eight. Five wins per season in. His career is actually been more than that in recent years. But if you go his entire career start to now. It's twenty eight point five wins per season. He's fifty seven years old and he's a young fifty seven like he keeps takes takes care of himself. Maybe we'll see we'll see. Allie took care of himself here. But in general takes care of himself you know he could hit a thousand winds round seventy seventy one case. Got one thousand eighty four right now. It's not crazy if marc wants to do this you know into his seventies seventies. It's not crazy to think he could retire as the all time. Winningest coast winningest coach in division. Men's basketball history. So congratulations to him. And let's sincerely hope that we don't have an outbreak. Eh gonzaga at auburn. Let's hope that we don't look back in and say seemed pretty clear to play that game for genu- at a wild i. Three days of the season look great in game. One look miserable in game two. We're going to discuss the cavaliers next first. Check this out support for this podcast comes from. Cdw on dell technologies cdw g. We get the migrating your agency to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging decaf. Got gotta do it. I want to do it. slowdown frowned. Cdw jeez experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Do it do it. have you done it yet. Dunya. it orchestration by cdw g. People who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash dell emc. So virginia had a wild. I three days of the season. Cavaliers beat thousand in the season opener. Eighty nine fifty four while making fifteen twenty nine three pointers they attempt. That's fifty one point seven percent. Then they turn right around on friday and lose to san francisco sixty one sixty one making just three of the thirteen three pointers. They attempted this twenty three point. One percent. norlander you're at mohegan sun. You still there to witness a boat. Virginia games makes makes sensitive matters. What what what is virginia. What is doing what are you doing. This is i was. I was pretty in virginia after what it did to okay. Well let's let's tell. The story about our day is unfolded. You really want to tell the story about holidays so we woke up. I've got up early. But norlander was much later that i was last night. Three fifteen a m breaking villanova rescheduling news. We'll get to that in a couple of minutes. But yes so. I think i was able to fall asleep by about three. Twenty a m so we were gonna podcast at nine central ten eastern. And so we did. We started podcasting and we talked about gonzaga. A lot of you know and then the news broke that. They've got a positive test and we don't know if this game's going to start and then it does start and then it's like. Oh my god. They're playing this game After somebody has tested positive what is marked. You're going to say about it and it just became pretty obvious to us. Okay and we did. We did in our podcast okay. You're willing to hear it. The lost episode gone and we did an hour and we did the whole thing and then decide. You know what this is going to be. Weird like we're publish this gonzaga's the biggest story college basketball right now. Not 'cause they're beating auburn or pound decanes. It's because they're playing after. Somebody tends to positive. It's going to sound weird. If we published as podcast we talk gonzaga at the top. But we don't even really get into what mark few said after the game or kobe. In general so let's let's just ask it and we'll come back later and redo the gonzaga portion of the podcast and we were probably going to have to redo the virginia portion of the podcast because virginia would have played a second game. But man if you hear the way. We were talking about virginia this morning before they played san francisco. I'm glad that. I'm glad that we committed to publishing that episode and coming back because i mean we were like listen if virginia shoots it like this. We know how they're going to guard their fifteen to twenty nine for three in their opener. Like who's going to be able to mess around with their and they answer of course was san francisco. The super disco which it was coming off a loss to my rigor hawks from mass and low all of southern. Who's happy right now. Who's happy right. now. Elvis elvis is smiling. He graduated from umass. People don't know that people think he went from tupelo to memphis and recorded at sun studio. That's not what happened. He left tupelo with the massachusetts enrolled at umass. Low graduated with a degree in biology. Then came to memphis. And the rest as they say is history. So congrats to elvis presley's al-matar umass lowell for getting an incredible victory over san francisco because it turns into a big. They umass lowell. All three over team just beat the reigning national champion. Virginia so we spent like fifteen minutes on a pocket. This morning that will be published talking about. How awesome virginia is an indian them then guys went out and did what they sometimes do which is lose to two grossly inferior team right. Yeah this is it's actually pretty damn interesting. So let's go chronological order here. First of all san francisco was supposed to play in the nebraska golden window event. Then that thing falls apart because saint louis and lsu go dark on everyone and frankly kinda were mischievous and just bailed started their own deal. San francisco's left without games. It's scrambling it. it links. Up with the organizers here at mohegan sun and they try and get it games and so some some games are able to be scheduled and at one point at one point like i think it was san francisco virginia. We're going to open the season against each other. I've lost track. But i'm pretty sure that was supposed to be happening. I think it was san francisco versus virginia or taus versus. I've la virginia versus house in. Gp can't keep track but anyway the point is they're getting all these games are agreeing. They're not agreeing. We're gonna play the play these when they were flying from san francisco to connecticut. They had to have a layover in salina. Kansas salina regional airport and it was on that layover. That the organizers went to todd golden and said and this would have been monday and they said all right. Here's the deal. If you wanna play. Virginia on friday. It lost its game against florida. It needs another game. it wants another game. It wants to come to mohegan sun if the dogs will play the wall. Who's on friday. We'd love to have it and so golden gets with the staff and his team. You know okay guys. This would be our third game in as many days. It's a good opportunity. They agree to do it now. he agree now golden. I talked to him about this. Obviously after the wind today he agrees to do it. Because he assumes they're gonna be elvis presley's alma mater going to have no issues to start the season with you. Mess lull and then although howson is supposed to be a respectable top three top four team in the cia. He you know the metric show that his team is projected to be better so he just if we do what we are supposed to do. We're going be to know. Going to mohegan sun resort and casino house money situation against the cavs. Then they play umass lowell. They look like trash. They're expected to win by twelve points. They looked terribly lose by eight and it was not even that close of a game and then golden admitted you know. The thousand game was super stressful. They didn't start well. They were losing most of the first half. They got the lead. I think just barely at halftime there and then and then it just kind of clicked the guys kind of got it together. But he's basically pressing around halftime. It's like god. We lost the first game now. We might lose this one and then we have virginia. It's owen three like the season. Careening away from us before we know it they get it under control with housen. They went on thanksgiving then. They play virginia. Which i mean. Virginia playing way did on offense against house in was eye opening. I'm not gonna say revelation because it was not a revelation what we saw on friday indicated. It was definitely not a revelation. But tony bennett. Told me that what he watched the film of san francisco. He said when i saw what they did in the second half against housen captured my attention. I kind of perked up a little bit. And then i thought i'm seeing why these guys are going to be able to give us some problems here. This is not going to be. My players aren't gonna. This isn't going to as easy as my players. Might think it might be and part of that is Some of the stuff. They run some good size. Big second step out and do all of that and they got in. Virginia got out to an early lead gp I had to hustle after the podcasts. That never was hustle to get down there. But i did get down there literally in time to tip and then i thought it was going to be an easy virginia when that was not the case and weirdly and credit golden just thirty five years old by the way making us look horrendous by comparison this thirty five and just got san francisco. Its first win over a top five team since the year. I was born nineteen eighty-one Ransom good stuff. Well prepared. They made thirteen three-pointers. How about this. San francisco made more threes than virginia. Even attempted and this is after. Virginia went fifteen for twenty nine like the game plan completely. Got flipped bennett. Admitted like they just had us and they had a golden bennett. Kinda take you into the bows of the arena here. After i interviewed golden and right before i was going to talk with tony. They had about a two minute interaction. that you know there's basically right right in front of me. socially distance but And then it was just super high praise for golden and the programming runs what they were able to do and And it was a it was a cool moment to see between two coaches because you know tony is obviously a very secure coach. And he there you know. Listen you guys got us. What do you want me to say a wonderful wonderful performance. You guys want some really great stuff. Goldens only thirty five man like the he is definitely considered one of the truly rising stars in the industry and for them to get this kind of when he played at saint mary's beacon zag in the mid two thousands. I tweeted out a funny photo of him. Rockin just brutal hawk circle of two thousand eight but you know what you. The internet never forgets and He said it was the biggest when he's ever been a part of bigger than anything as a player. It was super rewarding. And yeah this is cool. I mean huge upset for college hoops. Gp this is. The first seismic one of the season. We're only three days end but this is a this is a real one here. Great for the wc. Great for san francisco if it can get the job done to maybe get itself into the tournament picture and for virginia. I think it'll be able to figure things out. It goes home now has four games scheduled but oh by the way it's next game is against saint francis red flash. Let's top ten moniker. They just want at pitt. So there's no time to rest for the weary with with awad who's there. I don't think any differently about virginia today than after this lost and i thought about him a week ago. Maybe a little differently than i thought about this morning because after you watch him go fifteen twenty nine from three against house. You're like okay like if they're and they're not gonna shoot the ball like that. I don't mean like they literally shoot above fifty percent from three point range but if they're going to be a good shooting three point team like the other stuff what they're going to do on the defensive end of the court and that was the biggest difference between their national championship team and that team last season that really struggle for most of the season in two thousand nineteen when they won the title shot. Thirty nine point five percent from three point range that ranked eight in the country. But then they lose deondraye hunter. He's stopped forty three plea eight percent from three they lose cow guy forty two point six percent from three they lose tied jerome thirty nine point nine percent from three and they go from shooting thirty nine point five percent from beyond the arc in two thousand and nineteen to last season all the way down to thirty point three percent that ranked three hundred and eleventh nationally. They could not make a shot and so then you watch him. Add sam houser tree murphy. Who by the way with three murphy. We weren't even expected him to be a part of this team. He's a transfer from rice. Who needed a waiver and didn't have a waiver until tuesday. He got the way on. Tuesday played on wednesday and go six of eight from three against halston. like trade. murphy. Is somebody who shot thirty nine point. Two percent on five point eight attempts per game in two years at rice so they add. Sam houser accomplish shooter. They add trae murphy. Who's accomplished shooter. They go fifteen of twenty nine from three in that first game. And you're like okay here. we go. They're going to be tough and then next game they just don't don't shoot as many they don't make the same in were close up. The percentage houser was three of three from three against alson over three against san francisco. Trae murphy six of eight from three against house and one from three against san francisco. So i don't know perhaps the The reality is somewhere in the middle of all of this for. Ge is going to be fine. Virginia still gonna operate at the top of the st or at least near the top at worst but that is a disappointing second game especially when you had such an awesome opening day performance. Just a couple more quick notes than than we can. We can move along here If you're a uva and tony dimension this me reese beekman a freshman. He got twenty seven minutes and this was a tight game and we were immediately seeing just how much benefit in that staff believes in him. That's intriguing a casey morsel. Got the star but beekman was getting a lot more play. Murphy i want. I mean he just didn't have a good day from the field. Virginia's when bizarrely cold and also. Usf missed the front end of a one and one house got a relatively decent. Look i mean it was contested. It is relatively these if it goes in. You know we're talking about the game and how close it was but just didn't fall there and sam houser for you know he's forty four point five percent career three point shooter. It just didn't fall so sometimes that happens and that's the case there for the dawn's jamaa thirty five minutes no turnovers nineteen point six times. He was awesome and then they've got a nice little three guard attack and khalil. Shabazz is another important player. He went down with an injury. At one point in the game was able to return. So that's that's certainly that certainly good news for them. Hey big big time win for usf. It's just kinda cool to see these kinds of upsets that that materialized because no one had this. I mean we just after wave. Virginia looked in the fact that us was just so poor against lowell. We didn't see coming so yeah A big gains there and we'll keep an eye on the cavs going forward by the way villanova has looked really really good through two games. 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Didn't know i was going to do that. But every like every eighteen thousand nine hundred th podcast. I like to throw kirpal there with the With the ad bump. Okay so villanova. 'cause i do want to get your thoughts. Let me just quickly give you the ground floor view of what novas been able to do here. And and see what your opinions are without a doubt jeremiah. Robinson earl was a misfire for us. And i say that as we ranked him high like i think he was top twenty in our top one hundred and one. I don't have up in front of me. But i feel like he was top twenty. He should have been in the top ten. I thought glaspie was going to be villanova's best player in the big east player of the year. I was wrong about that. If it's going to be anyone on this team it's going to be jeremiah. Robinson earl and i'll add a little more on this. I want your opinions on gre. And then how. Villanova looked after getting a real scare with a former biggies fo boston college. But they got over the hump only because of jeremiah robinson earl and then they play arizona state on thanksgiving the really the only thing watching sports on thanksgiving evening when the nfl game and to me courtside it was just. It was kind of a signature villanova winn parish like arizona state was completely taken out of its rhythm brimming martinelli at five point. He won't have a worse game this season. That is a guarantee he will not play worse than he did against villanova and next thing you know like novas just like oh yeah. Hi we're up nine points and you have no shot to win the game. They were just integrated completely robinson. Earl was was fantastic and they had a good support under him but Your impressions on the wildcats. Who were not putting on the level of at this point but they are to ano and they've They've agreed to stick around for another game. They're gonna play virginia tech on saturday night. They look exactly. Like i thought they would look. Except you're exactly right. Jim robinson earl looks better than i anticipated. As i i just i think last last night thursday night was my first moment of may and it's nice to have college basketball back. We had a nice thanksgiving here at the house. Just defy people who live in this house and so gained in tip to like eight forty ish central nine forty easter. My point is my wife and kids. Were asleep by the time tip off so i had the whole. I thought to myself and settled in and was able to just like settle in without distraction. Watch a night time. College basketball game between two nationally ranked teams lot of fun and immediately while watching. I go wow jeremiah. Robinson earl is too low on are all america s to load our top one hundred one live and probably needs to be projected first round pick of the two thousand twenty one. nba draft. Because he he looks the part. I mean we already knew what he can do as a front core presents. Incredible rebounder great defender. He's rely now. He's reliably hitting fifteen foot jumpers just like pick and pop in and he just not not in college. You don't necessarily ever assume a big. Just gonna knock down a shot because it's college basketball. We're talking about amateurs in the nba. Little different like pros are supposed to not get the gym robinson. Looked like a pro big knocking down these little shots. A fifteen footer fifteen footer. Just like rock solid and you know. He ended up eleven seventeen from the two of four from three against arizona state. He's averaging twenty three points and nine rebounds. He looks awesome colleague. Gillespie the pre season first team. All american is the fourth leading score on villanova. Right now. now it's early. It's early but what he is. The fourth leading score which just speaks to how talented villanova is and on the other side. I thought josh. Christopher looked awesome to like sometimes when you watch college basketball game if you've got the context This kid is a projected top ten pick lottery pick you you go kevin to watch him and you can kind of see the shore that performance from josh christopher against villanova was the type of performance. Where if you set somebody down. And they didn't know either team. They didn't know who was playing. They didn't know anything about who was rated. We're coming out of high school who's projected the mog drives. You could watch that game and you go. That guy looks like he's going to be in the nba like josh. Christopher looked pull up jumper stages like shooting off the bow shooting in transition. He looked like a pro sometimes. Pro prospects don't look like throw players in college and even this early in the season josh. Christopher looked like a pro. he was fantastic. he was arizona state. Couldn't get the win. And they they at villanova just they wanted to play now. Christopher did look good badly was better in the first game than he was the second But you know. I had a chance to speak with bobby. Hurley at length Late on thursday night. And you know if remi martin plays better than it's a different story but he's the head of the sake i mean for him to only get five points it was. It was a wonderful job. Villanova through i think four different defenders and just constantly had him with the different look completely threw him out of whack and And all credit to nova there arizona state. now it's gonna. It doesn't have a game until schedule until december tenth. That's of no. It will host san diego state so keep an eye out on that if it can again as always if the game can remain on a scheduled that will be an intriguing. One is still do think that is going to be the best team in the pack twelve. I'm still. I'm still gonna drive that train but But this was more about villanova. On robinson earl. I spoke with the coaching staff and jay right about him afterward and the one thing that was really harped on was that for all that he's been able to do offensively and he was listening spot. Threes put it on the floor. Mid range jumper worked the post back to the basket. Put a good handle really a nice array of moves. And he's a problem if he doesn't even need to get downhill like given the ball near the elbow. Let him put it on the deck. And he'll work you with the spin move some hesitation like there are a couple of times in the past two days where i was like. There was one move. I think it was the first half against arizona state. I was like damn it. We missed them too low. There's no doubt about it and from there. You only got better but I'm making taking a little too long to my ear. The staff is saying. I i do that all the time. Yeah now so there. We go feeling other feel free. Yeah but they're saying he is better defensively than he is on offense and he's great on offense he is he can truly guard was five at the college level. And there's a difference between guard one through five of the nba level in college level. There's no doubt about it but he did. He guarded all five positions in the past two days and was as responsible for trying to face. Up on alonzo's verge as he was on marcus bagley and it's it's really impressive. He doesn't really have. I feel like robson reputation for his defense is not quite there yet. But let's let's start the hype now because he was the big east freshman of the year but he has taken a significant leap and him andrew. Timmy bowl sophomores. They have stepped into their roles. Immediately as sophomores and are at the forefront of the national player of the year conversation. I mean it's to me. It's robinson or a one timmy. To sucks three to me to me. It's jr because he's just the other players around had been good gp but he is He has shined above a mall. Real quick one more thing on The fact that they're gonna play virginia tech. I just i. I love this. So the game ends they get the win and there have been rumblings earlier in the day that like well villanova las temple because temples now going on a covert pause so if they wanna get another game can they could just get an opponent here mohegan sun and just opt to stay for another two nights. You've done that move on a map. Standard casino whatever. Two more nights. What's what's the harm right. Gp very familiar with this extremely familiar with this move. I have actually done that. No joke yes without so the game ends. And i asked jay right on camera for. Cbs sports hq. If you would do it and he was like yeah. I mean why would we not. We want to try and get the game. I gotta talk to my staff. See if we can do it but his whole point was. We've now come here and done this. We see how the operation is run. I cannot even leave my room unless someone at security meets me and guides me to the service elevator to go anywhere. It's extremely strict for the teams and and for and for me as well and everyone. That's you know quote unquote in this bubble. Which is not a true bubble but it's close as can have one in a casino so his point was let's just get another game in here. Why don't we do it so he had to go. Then talk about it with the staff. See if they could get the right opponent for about an hour and a half and virginia tech agreed to do it. If villanova was gonna play. Virginia tech supposed to play temple saturday at mohegan sun and it was one forty five in the morning when stole mike young. The virginia tech coach was asleep but he'd already said they agreed to do it. Just i wake up. Find out the news. Villanova said yes and villanova has a. It has a pretty loaded. Non conference schedule like there are no mid majors on that schedule and for right to do that to say no. We're just gonna get it here. I just think it's a really good thing for the sport i think it's almost necessary for scheduling survival and just kind of this whole notion of like the attitude. Ethos of like pick up all like who's got next villanova wins anyone else. Want to come play us here. And we're gonna virginia tech saturday night. Personally i'm excited. Because that's that's an upgrade of a game that i'm gonna get to cover here and so yeah. It's going to be damned. That's another offensively oriented team just like arizona state going to get here saturday night in bubble ville all right before we get out of here. Let's bounce around just touch on a few other teams. We are on the third day of the season right now. It's nearing five o'clock on the east coast. So there's games happening right now. There will be more games tonight but so far you know from from the first game that tipped on wednesday morning till now what are some other things that stand out the okay. Let's let's Let's take a tour from the opening night. A tougher are boy mic. I mean sandy state had no issues at all now thankfully it wasn't on what should soon be mccrone and court hashtag. Nelken stay but fifteen point win for. Ucla wasn't full strength. But stand state to make that kind of mark. After a two undefeated season come out of the gate strong. I thought was impressive for people who maybe don't use it was missing. Its second leading returning scorer jalen hill and also johnny using the transfer from kentucky. So they work shorthanded not at not an excuse but a possible explanation. Just a real quick comment on this. Want your thoughts georgia tech lost in four overtimes to georgia state. I put georgia tech on the map as the best team in the state. So the georgia state account actually completely clown me. I deserved it but how we feel about how. We feel about josh passenger rocket in the face. Shield on the sideline. Can i get a. can i get a ruling perish. Here's what i'm going to say about it. Let's just be honest. It looks ridiculous but actually kind of love it while it does at the same looks ridiculous but like i'm not gonna laugh at people who are trying to be as careful as they can be in in the middle of pandemic like you know so sure. It looks silly. But it's it's safe or safer than your cloth. Basque that coaches are wearing around their chin. Half game anyway. So i i refuse. I will not be the person making fun of people for trying to take this seriously. So i respect josh for trying to take and i'm not. I'm not making fun of him at that. Obviously i'm just saying. I love the fact that it's pass ner. That's doing this. And he's just like he's rocking he's also rock in it and he can't get over georgia state four ot loss. It's a rough look there elsewhere. West virginia won the scuffle for south dakota boy. Moore's classic western kentucky actually had it. I mean they had a real shot and it kind of slipped away from them. I i wanted just western kentucky to win. Only because i was going to be real about where you were going to place it in your rankings. I have not even looked just curiosity. Did you rank w. k. You coming into friday after its. It's went over memphis on thursday. I did not. I did drop memphis out. And i just went next best team up. Which for me was michigan. So michigan is now number. Twenty six the top twenty. Five of one if western kentucky would've beaten west. Virginia you have to rank them. And so i would have jumped him into probably somewhere that i don't know fifteen to twenty range maybe fifteen somewhere outside of the top fifteen but definitely inside of the top twenty five and they deserved. They look good even in defeat to west. Virginia they look good charles. Bassey is been terrific derek. Kover charles bassey matched up in that championship game. Culver i think maybe got the better of him. He you know. He's averaging fifteen and ten now through three games but but western kentucky rick sainsbury. How about the pretty wild at rick. Stains berry has western kentucky in a better place than mississippi state is right now but that is that. Is the college basketball world. we're living in. You're right about that. There weren't a ton of shockers in the first two and a half days here because we mentioned virginia going dallas and virginia and ucla gp on vamping. Right off the top of my head. So i don't know if you can confirm this or not but given that you update the damn rankings every day am i right that to the point where we are recording this podcast or for jin. Ucla the only teams that were ranked in the preseason ap top twenty five to take a lawsuit or someone else. And i'm completely forgetting about no kansas as well. But i'm i'm talking about like you know to lost to an unranked team. Yeah it's ucla. To san diego state and it is virginia san francisco. Those are the only ones of course. There was a near one on friday afternoon. Illinois needed i o i o to coast to coast in the final ten seconds get fouled down free throws they end up beating ohio by a couple of points. Seventy seventy five. But they were on the ropes. I mean they were they were literally trailing in the final twenty seconds so they almost got caught after kicking the crap out of for two opponents. They won their first two games by an average of sixty point. Five points per game and then they got into a fight with the ohio but they avoided the upset they are and do you wanna talk about national player of the year stuff. He's averaging twenty five point seven point seven point seven rebounds six point seven assists through three games. He six of fourteen on three pointers. So far this season as forty two point nine percent if he's gonna shoot above forty percent from three He's going to be a lottery. Pick of the two thousand twenty one. nba draft. You're right and speaking of stuff you'll never hear on the podcast. We had some good things to say about illinois but And we still do. But we didn't anticipate that close of a game with ohio if you're looking for listen. Tiger fans of clemson to know wins over mississippi state and purdue. Good job right. Now you're technically in the top thirty. Ken part brad. Brownell has next scheduled game in south carolina state and then home against maryland on summer nights. So that's just that's a nice start there for clemson but otherwise it hasn't been too. I mean there's been some random stuff here and there but not major headline making stuff. Xavier barely got by toledo. That game actually wasn't even broadcast because fox sports put on an end in announcement that it was not comfortable due to. Its own company cova protocols with broadcasting the game but they played the game so again. That's just a little bit of a should have got some gonzaga put to broadcast the game. They'd have done it. You're you're not incorrect. About that case. Kansas robbed on saint joe's as expected by the way we got beat by. They got by kazakh and then they came back in and they got it done i. I'd say that's pretty much it That hit my radar. Anything else that people should be aware from the first two and a half days that was that was notable for gp. No that's more than anything. it's just. We got games a lot or getting canceled but a lot are getting played. A reasonable people can debate the whole auburn gonzaga thing. We'll see how that plays out in the coming days and weeks but this season unlike one we've ever had and it's going to be a bumpy ride but i will say the way. The television cameras are shooting the games and with the piped-in crowd noise. It looks it looks. It looks right on tv. I don't know how much you've seen on tv because you've been mohegan sun but looks good on tv. It looks like it looks and feels like real college basketball. Like when i was watching kansas gonzaga. Yes it looks different because you don't have fans there but they shoot it in a way and it sounds like you're watching high stakes big time college basketball. And that's that's nice. I'll a couple quick things that we can get out of here. agree with the noise so in the arena. The first time. I heard it. I made a joke that it sounded like something out of mba. Live two thousand and five and then they someone came over and was like hey norlander. We actually are using like the crowd soundtrack from nba two k. And for the first like ten minutes of the first game it was weird and but then like you get used to it and then there's been a couple of times when there's just been like an injury so that they kill the sound altogether and one time. The sound accidentally. I don't know like the playlist ran out like if it's a twenty minute track and they got a restarted every twenty nine but it just stopped actually weirdly in the middle of a free throw and so there was about a fifteen second period where there was nothing. And that's terrible like you do need white noise in the arena. It is You get used to it in a hurry and it is way better than nothing. Nothing would be terrible for the environment and atmosphere. So that's a that's a good thing and hopefully it's coming through decently on television. I do want to give listeners. A heads up. We do have good game scheduled for saturday and sunday to keep an eye on. Obviously there's a ton of football but college basketball does have a couple of good ones to watch nova. Virginia tech is. The is the big one to me on saturday outta mohegan sun. I virginia tech loves to shoot three. So i think there's a chance they might be able to try. And keep a close at eight o'clock on espn u. lsu versus. St louis also intriguing because those should both be tournament teams. That's three o'clock game. But i think i think you got to watch it through the espn app if you're going to do that and then The other good one is notre dame plays against michigan state at eight o'clock on big ten network. On saturday. i would to me. Those are probably the three most interesting on saturday. Sunday when you're up against the nfl. Texas tech houston is the best game of the weekend. That's five thirty on. Espn texas tech right. Now is number five and ken palm houston. a sixteen. richmond plays at kentucky. That's a one o'clock tip on. Espn i expect kentucky to win the game but richmond has a bunch of twenty two year old dudes. They know how to play defense and they're tough to prepare for in terms of the stuff. Chris mooney runs so they got a real shot there So keep an eye on that and then we've yet to see behler play. They are in vegas. They will play against washington. I have no idea what the broadcast Situation is for that but baylor will open a season without scott drew on the sidelines. He's still at home. Corning washington will play The bears at four o'clock on sunday. That's east coast time Sounds like you forgot a game. What did i forget. Rhode island san francisco. I'm pump for. Don't get me wrong. But what if i honestly what did i forget sunday afternoon. Big ten network. Ohio state against umass. Lowell okay. i knew that i forgot. I knew that because. I talked to patrick catholic coach at low afterward. How about this well. Cinema plane right. They look at us look at us. How do you know what. I'm going to say what before i'm gonna say it because that's the most interesting thing you can possibly said. That's that's also true. Ohio state sent the private plane paying to have come out and theoretically take a loss. But i'm this is. This is an executive decision right now that we have to hold to. 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04/16: LSU shocks the college hoops world and reinstates Will Wade; the Hauser brothers shock Marquette and leave the program

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04/16: LSU shocks the college hoops world and reinstates Will Wade; the Hauser brothers shock Marquette and leave the program

"Hey there. It's Gary Tuesday, April sixteen two thousand nineteen welcome back to the CBS sports. I o college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell tiding leaky black Matt norlander is here with me were now a little over a week removed from the end of the college basketball season, nor later have you settled into your off season life. Just yet if things come for you at all workwise, they've come to bit family wise. I mean, I'm battling a cold. So I might be a slight bit nasal here. We'll take this. Normally like the past three years have actually gotten a cold at the final four dodge that ironically in the coldest of all spots, so dealing with that, and then the kids my my my baby is also has a cold like me, but yeah, we're settling. Although, you know, it's it's you really kinda you don't necessarily ease into it because seasons and all these kids transferring, which we're obviously going to get to draft decisions like. You know, thankfully, we don't shouldn't have to write about all these decisions. But it now compared to six seven years ago GP from transfer decisions that get made in the in the month of April. And then the freedom of these players rightfully should have to to clear for the draft. It's just there's just a little more noise around college basketball than there used to be. And I guess that's probably a good thing. And then obviously, we still have coaching that we're keeping an eye out on we still have I think like ten jobs still have to technically close. So yeah, it's slowed a little bit. But I'm happy to be talking to you again, and podcasting. We are not short on discussion, topics. That's for sure now from my perspective. The only decisions on transfers or NBA draft stuff. That matter are decisions. That are surprising. Like, it doesn't really matter to me that yesterday's ion Williamson announced that he's entering the NBA draft. We've all known for ever Zion. Williamson was entering the NBA draft to the ones that matter are when guys who thought coming back to school. Announced they're not coming back to school or guys. You thought were definitely in the draft announced that they're definitely not in the draft that they're that. They're instead going to return to college for at least another season and then transfers. I don't know what the number is four hundred or five hundred five million. But like ninety nine percent of them. Just do not matter only a handful of them actually matter when relevant players from relevant teams announced that they're going to move. They're the only ones that resonate nationally. And obviously we had one yesterday with Sam Joey Hauser announcing they're going to transfer for Marquette, and we're going to get to that in just a little while. But I wanted to start on LSU's announcement on Sunday right after tiger won the masters right before game of thrones was about the start. So it was perfectly perfectly placed LSU announced that it has reinstated. We'll wait as its men's basketball coach so two questions. Are you surprised by this? And to do you think you'll actually coach another game at LSU because LSU did not go that far by saying we stand by our coach or we look forward to a bright future. They just basically said. We met with him. He denied wrongdoing and quote, his explanations and clarifications offered during the meeting absent actual evidence of misconduct satisfied, his contractual obligation to LSU. In other words, we don't know that we can fire him for calls right now. So he's reinstated as our basketball coach, and they just sort of left it there. Right. Yeah. All right. I we have to be as always on this podcast, except in that matters of some some trivia times, we have to be intellectually honest here. We're both surprised by this correct? Yeah. Buta asked me a month ago. Do I think we'll wait will ever be reinstated as LSU basketball coach, I would have said, no. So by definition, I'm surprised by this. I am surprised as well by this. And I'm not the only one probably talk to I dunno perish like twenty coaches over the past two weeks, mostly at the final four some over phone that thought there was no shot of this happening. What? Ever will Wade said to LSU administrators and most directly his boss Joe alita, who by the way is a weird spot now because LSU fans hate him. But they also really like him for freeing will wait at this point. We'll wait was able to provide explanations that satisfied leva and other LSU brass to to give him his coaching duties again. Now, he there's been the question of why didn't he do this to start with? Well, he has a new lawyer. So whatever tact. He was going with before he got rid of that lawyer and brought in a new attorney, and I can't tell you what those discussions were like, but this is this is a bit weird. I mean, we are on the doorstep of a second federal trial. And I don't I'm not exceedingly confident that we'll wait is going to have to go to the stand. Now, the defense is going to want him to go to the stand, but the federal government the prosecution is not going to want that to happen. They've already filed a motion to not allow it to happen. But if he does like LSU could look pretty ridiculous here in in a relatively short amount of time. If things really go the wrong way for Wade and LSU if he's called to the stand in his ass, very pointed questions, which obviously we would expect them to be. But we wait. To see if he'll do that, Shawn Miller. We'll do that. It's juicy as hell storyline. There's no doubt about it. It's got coaches some of them pretty angry and frustrated and annoyed. I wish a lot of these coaches would be willing the way that Mark few has to speak a bit more on the record about it. Now, we're also in a weird time on the calendar. The spinal fours over the coaches aren't having press conferences, they're not they're not really seeking out the media spotlight. And even if you were to to call them up, they're not they're not exactly seeking this. But make no mistake about it. Like the fact that Bruce Pearl kept his job made a final four show Miller. Still at Zona will Wade has survived this short term long term. We'll wait and see. It has definitely annoyed a lot of coaches because when they step back and look in the broad view. They see yes for sure there have been assistant coaches that have pleaded guilty, and we'll be seeing some amount of jail time. And that's what coaches are looking for it. They're just looking for more responsibility on the whole and I'll tie this up. Quick GP. We don't need to go forty five minutes on this whole thing. Because I know we're gonna be talking about plenty. But eventually what these coaches are looking for is going to have to come down via the AA, which has not started. Well, I guess it started. But it hasn't really dug all the way and yet because the federal government hasn't completed trial. So if they're looking for more punishment more action more responsibility to be placed on the shoulders of these coaches, and others that I have brought up at this point that should I expect it to come. But it's going to be months if not years down the road. And so yeah. In the short term, I can understand why some coaches just throw their hands and say, you've got to be kidding me. We'll wait. Okay. Yeah. He didn't get coach the turnament, which is no small thing. But he just goes to his bosses supply some sort of answer. And despite the fact that you've got multiple reports claiming that he is essentially breaking the rules. There's just I'm sorry. There's no way around it. He he was discussing offers for John smart that any pragmatic person. Would deem outside the subway rulebook. And then here he is again back and resuming his coaching duty amid what should be huge roster turnover. LSU? It is an unexpected. And fascinating storyline. I got a handful of unsolicited text messages from coaches, and they were all pretty consistent. Like, it's an absolute joke. You know, like totally disgraceful coaches who are really offended that that he's been reinstated as LSU's coach because I'm sorry. I say this is somebody who's known for a long time who likes will a personal level. There's just no way to read the transcript of what he reportedly said on a wiretap in conclude anything other than that. He was doing a deal for devante smart. There's no believable story. He could tell there's just not. On that wiretap as long as we accept it as it's been reported. And there's no reason to think that we shouldn't if only because well, there's two reasons one it comes from reputable reporters, but to even we'll wait himself hasn't denied that. He said what he reportedly said on the wiretap, and what he reportedly said on the wiretap is he's expressing frustration that he can't get the deal done for. Devante smart. Even though he's already put a strong as offer on the table. And then this is the thing that gets lost by some he compares it to other deals. He's done in the past for comparable players and says he's done these done deals for comparable players to. Devante smart. That haven't been nearly this complicated. And so again, any reasonable person would conclude from that that not only is he discussing deal that's about to soon be in place for. Devante smart. But he's comparing. It to deals. He's done in the past. Other words, I'm trying to cheat to get this kid and cheated in the past to get other kids, just like, that's what's on the wiretap and. Again. There's no there's no believable story that he could tell that would make people go. Okay. So that's oh, I see you didn't really mean what appeared Jim, and nobody will believe him other than diehard LSU fans. And I say this. I should I talked to people that consider him friend at the final four who like him very much. And they're just like it is what it is. Like, he's the only one who does that. But he he is called and he did get caught in. So again, like nobody makes him out to be the devil. Like, it doesn't mean. He's a bad husband or a bad, father or bad person. Eight just means that he's a high major coach who was willing to break. Major instable rules doesn't make him unique. But the fact that he's on wiretapped discussing it does make him in a. Put him in a pretty obviously bad place. What happened Sunday doesn't suggest to me that LSU believes him? What it suggests to me is that LSU's lawyers have decided we cannot fire him for calls right now. And that LSU's administration has decided if we can't fire him for calls. We're not gonna fire him. We'll let the incident delayed thing unfold. However it unfolds we'll let the federal case on fold, however it unfolds, and perhaps one day we will have what we need to fire him for calls. But we don't feel like we have it right now. So our only option short of paying him millions of dollars to go away because if they tried to fire them for 'cause he would immediately file a lawsuit. And that would that would be lengthy and be costly. So what they've decided the best. I can tell is that we don't have. We don't have what we need to find for calls right now. We're not gonna fire him without cause. And so are only real op. Shenice to reinstate him perhaps forever. Or if not that until we have what we need to fire him for calls. Because again, the statement from Joe Aleve does not say he provided explanations that we found credible. It doesn't say that. We look forward to a long future with will. Wait. It doesn't say we stand by our coat. It says coach Wade's explanations and clarifications offered during the meeting absent actual evidence of misconduct satisfied, his contractual obligation to LSU. That's a carefully worded statement. And so the question becomes will there ever be as the statement puts it actual evidence of misconduct. Obviously, the circumstantial evidence is is is clear as day. And we all know what happened with? Devante smart, and perhaps other players who were on this past seasons LSU team. But. I'll say this to Monte smart, just enter the NBA draft. So did now's read so Trump waters? In other words, the players that would be most likely to perhaps have been enrolled under circumstances that fall outside of the incidentally rule book. They are now outside of the umbrella. They don't ever have to talk to the instable. They don't ever have to return. Text message return a letter enough Email nothing. And so if in let's just say, hypothetically, if it went down like this will weigh gets cash from a booster gives it to every needs to give it to connected. Devante smart to get a deal done was long. Devante smart. And the people are surrounded him never talk because they don't have to anymore and as long as we'll wait says it didn't happen. Yeah. You might have heard me discussing what you think you heard. But I didn't I'm telling you. I never paid anybody. I've never broken incidentally role. If he denies it. And the people connected. Devante smart never have to talk to the civil. And there's no paper trail. Well because it was a cash transaction. How do you prove it? I mean, there's a whole bunch of cash rejections that go onto college basketball that do not have a paper trail, and there's nothing you can do about it. And so I do think it's possible that is long as he just make sure nobody who can can talk on him as long as you make sure they don't talk, and he just denies everything. It might be difficult for the intimate approve anything, and he might actually continue with coach even LSU knows. Must know that he built that team that just won a whole bunch of games. He built it outside of the rule book. He's on the wire tip admitting, basically. Yeah that possibility is out there. What you said about the administration? It's lawyers. I agree with completely. I'm still not convinced. He's going to be the coach at the start of next season. And the next step is the trial that starts next week. What we get from that? And if he has to go to the stand what we find out from there. And I mean, I find it hard to believe that the entity will not find some way to punish LSU eventually over this. What you're saying? In terms of all the players have no obligation anymore. So long as they stay committed to their profession dreams come back to school. No chain, by the way, also had a coat suggest to me, and he was just just talking. He has no reason to believe this actually happened. But like one coach said to me like if you're will way. Why wouldn't you just also pay? Devante smart to stay out of college. Why wouldn't you pay waters now to get out of college? Like, whatever you have to do to make it right by the people who could maybe bring you down get them make it, right? Get them out of college. And make sure they never speak on you, like, even if it cost you another hundred grand if it keeps your two million dollar your job. Why wouldn't you do that? I promise you the dudes who could bring we'll way down. They ain't coming back to school. And therefore who's gonna talk about this? The. To answer the question directly with the label. Do is it will use anything and everything that can because it's rule book now allows for this and whatever realm LSU might come up in the second trial. It will use anything possibly can stick to LSU and potentially will Wade that is it's good jail. Free card is not the right metaphor here. But that is the way that it will try and do this. If it. Or if just simply request to to talk to way is gonna have to talk to the now, it's a matter of okay. If you talk to them, what can you prove what you can't? And if insulate dare sketchy when ally then you're in some serious trouble there. So that there's that. And then there's what the thinks that it finds credible that could be entered into evidence at the trial. That's where he could get picked off not necessarily through players aren't gonna return to school. So just keep an eye on that it. Hey, listen. Unexpected headline. There's no doubt about it. Very few people in college basketball, really expected. We'll wait once he wasn't coaching in the tournament to ever return to his post there. But jeez between the the number of really good head coaching hires to the programs that are rolling now to the will Wade back in the fold. It is the most interesting conference. I think right now in college basketball and could get a lot more interesting, depending on what we see happen in downtown Manhattan next week, and then earn too early may to your point. And then we'll move on about will having to speak with the Blaine. And if you get caught line, you're in big trouble. The most obvious example of that is Bruce Pearl at Tennessee like Bruce people always. You know when talking about that they say he got fired for having a barbecue. No. We didn't. He got fired for lying to the instable. That's what happened, and it was obviously stupid to light of the instability. They just panicked, and they thought that they could construct a story and get aircrafts father to play along with it. And the benefit of hindsight. A really just good advice from a lawyer what a good lawyer would have told, Bruce and his assistance at the time was going there and cop to it. Like just say, yes aircraft was at my house. It was an unofficial visit. And they just showed up, and I didn't want to be rude. Because like we're recruiting the kid we want him to enroll at Tennessee. And so I didn't I didn't just rush out of the house or say you can't be here. But eventually I made it clear that hey, you know, I I love you. I love you here. And I wish you can stay all day. But like if this were to this is technically a rules violation. So we need you to. Leave and then they left and that was in and it would have been a secondary violation take recruiting visit away would not have been a big deal. The lying is what got them in trouble. And so obviously, Bruce it was stupid to lie. But here's the thing for will way. The only thing to do was lie because Bruce was in a totally different situation. Bruce's truth would have resulted in not a big deal. But if if the allegations against will Wade, if you admit to those you're fired. So like people always say there's never a good time to lie or you should always tell the truth. That's just not true win the truth will get you fired. Just like the lie will get you fired. You might as well go ahead and lie and try to get away with it. And so you might think it takes some some big, you know, watch to sit down and lie inside the Belay while knowing if you get caught line that's going to be the end of you. But if you tell the truth, yes, of course, I was on a wiretap discussing deal for. Devante smart. And we got it done it caused fifty five thousand dollars whatever it is. Truth also gets you fired. And so when the truth results in the same thing that getting caught lying results in the the best path for us to just go ahead and try to lie and see if you can get away with it. And he might just get away with it. He wouldn't be the first I'm picturing you with a briefcase like you are will ways lawyer and having this conversation. I mean like. Hundred under Bruce Pearl Erickson, the best thing would have been to tell the truth it mitt to your minor violation get dinged a little bit. But keep your job. Mill cannot tell the truth if we're assuming for the sake of the conversation the truth is that. Yes, I did a deal for devante smart. You cannot tell that truth. You tell that truth you, get fired. And so if the troops going to get you fired we'll try to lie, right? I if he comes out of this with his job still say he goes from wilda Bill Bill Wade after this. If you somehow just good complete complete turn just the next step of the Evelyn of will. Wade the Bill wait, I think that's that's what we'll refer to him if survives us. Well, the other thing LSU has to figure out is like is this really what you want? And maybe maybe they just they just don't care. But even if it's if if it costs you millions of dollars to just break free and start Fred like is it worth doing? Because even if you do not have actual evidence. To fire. We'll wait for 'cause everybody knows exactly who your coaches now. And this is going to follow him and you for however long. He's there anything you accomplish is going to be tainted by the wiretap and the phrase strong s offer. And like is that really how you wanna spend the next few years because that is how you will spend the next few years, obviously, they've decided at this point. Yes, we don't want to fire him for. We don't want to fire him without cause. And if we can't find without calls, then we're just going to keep him. But I still don't know if that's smart thing for them to do. Because again, first off you're losing your whole team. You're about to be terrible next season. And then how difficult is it to rebuild when you know? You know, you probably can't build at the way. You just built it before. I mean now, you got all eyeballs all over you. People are going to soom every good recruit that goes Dallas. You has been bought and paid for like is that really is that really? Ideal for Louisiana state university. I'd say probably not. But that might actually be the pet that go down. We'll see we shall see. All right. What else we want to hit on here? Well, Marquette just lost two key pieces to transfer. It's a rough stuff for Steve Wachowski. We're gonna get into that next. But first check this out. Hey, it's canal surprise, I'm not here to bash the SEC I want to tell you about my podcast off the vents with canal Bill by co-host Raja bell. And I cover sports from the perspective of former pro athletes five times a week. We talk about what we are passionate about. And it's not always the Xs and os, actually, it rarely is we dive deeper into sports discussions relating back to our own playing days people. Tell me I'm much different on the podcast and on Twitter. 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That's now losing two of its top three scores. I had Marquette in the top ten of the preseason top twenty five and one as you know, because consulted Joan it. I dropped them completely out after this. I mean that is in terms of off season departures, I think it's reasonable to say in unexpected way. Markets been hit harder than anybody. Obviously Duke losing. J Barrett Zion. Williamson camera tish is a big losses for Jinya losing the hundred Tisha Rome, big losses. But those are not unexpected. We all assumed that's exactly what was going to happen. This is this is unexpected in it really does take I think Marquette from the favorite in the big east to something significantly less than that parish. This is I mean, this was a shocker to me. I didn't hear anything remotely about these guys transferring out it comes three days removed for Marcus Howard announcing he was returning to school. I don't disagree with you drop in Marquette out of the top twenty five and one I think the house brothers were that important, and although Marcus was still even with them in the rust in the fold. Set to have another. I think huge pistol year. I thought that those guys would have combined for twenty six twenty seven twenty eight points per game in the three of them would have made. I think for the most potent scoring trio in college basketball. Okay. So few things don't pack. The timing. Right. This happens. So howard. I it was Friday GP announced he was returning to school which was. More expected the nappy never know. And then you get that. And that's big time. So then these guys leave, and I I haven't poked around on this yet between wash my kids being sick and prepping for this podcast. I just haven't haven't dug into this. This is complete speculation from me, which we always appreciate on the podcast. But hey, how returning did that have an impact on the on the houses leaving can help? But wonder with that people people think so by the way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure that's why I also wanna bring it up one directly correlates to the other. And this maybe because you know, Howard is a his a ball dominant point guard combo guard league art, however, you want to describe them like he he is trae young issue. I don't think that his the stat show. He is not as heavy usage wise as trae young was, but there's just no denying that. He needs a bonus. When he does Marquette's a pretty. Good team. You know, I'm not saying that, you know, him having the ball. And having a forty percent usage rate would be the absolute key to Marquette being better team next season than it was this past season. But keep that in mind. Number two, Steve watcher hausky made the tournament. Marquette fizzle down the stretch got embarrassed by Jaama and Murray state and now enters next season. I think under some real pressure here because losing the houses like I'd rather have both houses than Marcus Howard. Now, I take Howard over either Hauser, bro. But if you could give me both of those dudes or Marcus, I would actually take both houses over them. So you lose such a significant piece there. I'm not saying that like you're hausky is absolutely on the hot seat. They don't make the tournament. He's fired. But I think that's fair. Not I do think that is on the table for next season. Although market should still make the tournament with the roster that it has. So you can easily make the argument like, hey, and if it doesn't like houses or no Hauser's, that's a real problem. And then last one you can respond to all these as you as you please at euro pace, your GP is where these guys are going to go. Little bit of curiosity, if they'll actually like flip to Wisconsin. Which would be incredible for that rivalry the Marquette? Wisconsin rivalry doesn't get its do for the amount of animosity there. Don't know how likely that is. And then. Shout out to John Fonda, my guy John onto who who does digital stuff and video with the big east. He actually said that, you know, there might be some rumblings that Virginia could get involved. So imagine Virginia two seasons because the house will sit out next season. They will not playing Tabasco, obviously. Now, there's a grad transfer you got city year barring getting some sort of waiver clearance, which is just isn't going to happen. They're not facing coach leaving or anything like that. So they're going to sit. But if Tony Bennett can can pull in those guys that would actually be a pretty interesting fit overall. But could potentially set it like we think Virginia top five team next season. And then you bring in the house or brothers along with you know, he's got a decent recruiting class coming in those players stick around like yes for Jimmy could be looking at another top team even the year after that. So surprising transfer news. This is one of the rare instances where it's it's like legitimately meaningful. Not just like the team that was supposed to have these guys one is it's two players not one. That's where. Okay brothers, obviously, Marquette gets dinged in a major way in whatever school these guy. Go to they have their pick of the lot like any any any program? We'll take the house brothers. They are stretch forwards who can shoot better than forty percent from three point range, and they're both getting better like notice will be better that continue to get better and better. So whatever school they land at the season after this upcoming one like they're gonna make that team national championship slash mono four contender. I think that's undeniable. So yeah, what we got Monday was a piece of real big and unexpected news and culture. So for whoa, Joe. It's now five seasons at Marquette. To instable tournaments but zero insead tournament wins now goes into your six with diminished roster. And this comes after year five ended as you pointed out in a pretty embarrassing way. They were on the verge of winning outright biggies tidal. Instead they finished twenty four and ten thirty third at Kim palm. They went one and six in their final seven games just completely fell apart. And now they lose to big big important pieces. I'm with you. If if my options, and perhaps we'll didn't know this maybe he was blindsided. But if my options were get one more year markets Howard or keep the house of brothers. I would have kept the house brothers. And I know coaches who have found themselves in similar situations in the past where they go if you know in on a surface level this guy coming back to school would be the best thing. But if this guy comes back to school, I'm going to lose this other dude or lose these two other dudes. And so I need him just to go. And they'll encourage them just, hey, it's time to get on with your professional career because big picture wise. It's better for that guy to go. Even if it might not be best for your team next season. It's better for him to go. Because if he stays you're gonna cost you some people it appears that that might have been what happened at Marquette that Marcus Howard's return. Led to insult form to some degree salmon Joey house or decided they don't wanna be at Marquette anymore. And so now. They arguably the two best transfers on the market. I agree with you. They could go anywhere. They wanna go. And for what it's worth, and perhaps it's nothing. But for junior school that somebody hit me with yesterday said keep an eye on on Virginia. They could they could both end up there. And obviously, you know. For Julia would be. I've got him number two in the top twenty five and one right now even after losing the Andre hunter and tied Jerome, and if they were to add the house brothers to whatever it is. They have two years from now you would assume their preseason top-five. Again, if only because Tony's always got a team that's going to be operating around that level. We would know that he's at least going to have to high level dues in his program. And obviously more than that trivia time. I okay, okay. Let's go. All right. So by coincidence on Sunday. I was checking in Noga Ling. I do this. Well, the users can go, but no no for GP. So I was checking in on Sunday. I was like, you know, what I wanna see how we landed with our top one hundred and one players so couple trivia times related to this very topic. First of all true or false. Sam Houser made our top one hundred and one players this past October. I'm gonna say false because I don't remember true. Sam Houser eighty fourth. Okay. Where do you think Marcus Howard was on that list? If you had to blindly, guess and think back where do you think we put Marcus Howard in October of twenty eighteen heading into the season on our top one hundred one players in college basketball list in the twenties. He was sixteen. I thought we did pretty well overall. So Howard was sixteenth. Same house or eighty fourth. Obviously Joe house or heading into college. Do not make the list. Now, you mentioned Virginia all three of their big three did make our list, which of the three. Of the three I want to put them in alphabetical order. So I don't tip my hat hair. So you've got. You've got H G guy. Do you know the bet? Authored jerome. Hey, g h j they're kinda they're kinda cluster together there. So guy into Rome. What order do you think they fell in on the list? I'm gonna say we had Cal guy highest. We did have Kyle highest what your guests to where he was. Twenties was twenty on the nose. We had cameras nineteen Quinton Grimes. That was a swinging at twenty one. Okay. So who was higher hunter or Jerome? I'm going to say de'andre hunter was higher Deandra. Hunter was higher. Where's your guesses to where he landed thirties? You are correct. He was thirty fifth. And then where do you think we slid tied into our top one hundred and one rankings if he was eighty six so we were a little bit off on him. But but looking back I actually thought we did not have tied Rome in the mix. I'm glad we did just real quick here. We're was are one to ten RJ Barrett. Carson edwards. Luke maye Dietrich Lawson not quite that level Kayla. Martin no grit Williams, we were pretty on the button with that eastern hap-. I'd argue at seven we're pretty close smart ponds at eight little too high in a little way too high Thais battle ten. Where do you think we had Zion? It's gotta be right outside of the top ten. It is we had trout waters eleven Mike Dom twelve thirteen not an egregious miss. But given how great he was maybe it was agreed just we had Rui fourteen and them Romeo link for fifteen Marcus Howard sixteen. Couple more quick ones. Our biggest miss overall was Jaylen Hudson probably at twenty eight something weird happened with his game. Overall. We had Admiral Scofield fifty third Jared. Culver seventy three on the final four thing. We had Bryce Brown Seventy-three where do you think we Jaama rant? Obviously low. Probably had Jaama rant in the sixties. We had Dzhumber at seventy eight and right behind him at eighty we had Fleischer McGee, and we'll go one more small major player Dylan win lower who I remember pushing for in the sixties we had them at eighty seven. I think you will see him drafted in June. And then the last one he will absolutely be top ten what player in the nineties parish will absolutely be in the top ten when we do this again this upcoming October what player in the nineties will absolutely be in the top team when we do this again. We'll let me look at my top twenty five and one because I'm gonna soom that they've got to be there. Yes. What player did we have in the nineties that we will definitely have in the top ten. Miles powell. No. That's not the player. Mhm? I'm going to go with. People listening are screaming this name right now. You know, it what do you mean? Of course. I know what looking at the list. Yes. I know it. Trey Jones, correct. Trae Jones was ninety third. And then the other player that will definitely will be top five. I we might even have trade Jones stop five for all. We know when we get there player that I guarantee we'll have top five that we had twenty seconds last season cash Winston who is returning to college basketball. So three of the top Templars for sure maybe three the top five you'll have Marcus Howard cash Winston trae Jones heading on back. But that's for further down the road. That was a fun little jump back in time to just to look at because it's the end of the season, obviously brings so much clarity perish. And we try and forecast as best we can with that list. Which is always a lot of fun to put together thought we did a decent job. But but a few whiffs there as well. Eric Paschal seventeenth regrettable choice. But what can you do? But overall thought we got pretty close we were real grit Williams, I guess it wasn't hard to miss on him because he was player of the year. But, but regardless there, you go the big myths seems like your Culver yet. Culver at sixty three. Was it was notable. I I'd say I'd say that's a him at sixty three is nearly as bad as I on only twelve spots back at thirteen and Zion being thirteen like, obviously amiss, but that should serve as a reminder because some people have revisionist history with him. Right. They're like he was always. No, he wasn't always. He was not thought of this way. Nobody literally nobody expected him to be what he was at Duke or had him projected, you cannot find a mock draft in this world that had Ziya Williamson as the number one pick a year ago or even on November first. And so he was quite a revelation. He surprised everybody, and it became crystal clear pretty quickly that he was going to be special, and then I'm gonna pick in the draft. But when we put the list together, maybe somebody would have had six or seven as opposed to. Thirteenth. But nobody would have had him in the top three. He was probably coming into. If you talk to 'em be people the third most the third best prospect at Tuke. Yeah. RJ Barrett, and and camera tish, and so the idea that he was always supposed to be what he was just. That's just not true. We we watched him become what he was. Yeah. And by the way, his. I'm fine with it. But I was a little surprised by like he dropped his I actually thought earlier on Monday. I was like when is like someone else declared. Oh, was it. Really? I can't remember I think it was really. And I was like I guess I on hasn't technically declared yet like I wonder when that's going to happen. And then an hour and a half later making dinner for the fam-, and I get a call. Hey, we gotta hop. You. Gotta hop on. Can you hop on CBS sports HQ right now to talk about Zion? I'm like, okay. It's like, yeah. He just cleared him. Like it's like five forty five forty on a Monday night. What like now? So hey, good on him. Just did it with a simple Instagram post and onward he goes to number one pick status, and we now have everyone that's declared from Duke. I think we got killed a Johnson at Kentucky yesterday. Again. They just keep they keep piling piling pollen up what we get all past all this. Well, we'll do our usual April may like draft like, you know, here the returning and who's not. But I guess Zion. Rui I believe unless I'm missing like cheapie I've lost track. I guess your Culver technically announced yet. But like lottery pick level tides Rome and under hunter announce on Monday. But we're just about cleaning up here. In terms of the big names that are expected to go actually officially announcing it yet. There haven't been any real big surprises yet in terms of. I'm definitely coming back to school. Even though nobody thought I was or, hey, I'm definitely entering the NBA draft for, you know, both feed in even though nobody thought I was going to do that their revenue unless I'm missing something. There hasn't really been a big surprise yet. We usually do get like one or two year like a projected top twenty pick who decides he's one hundred percent coming back to school. But we haven't we haven't had that yet. Let's trade Jones perhaps qualifies. But I don't know that he was a definite, right? Top pick. He was probably in the twenties thirties. Trae Jones is probably the biggest surprise initially Higgins. I guess we talked about them both on the less podcast there's somewhat surprises. But so far the people we thought were going to leave school have announced that they are leaving school before we get out of here. Real quick Cincinnati has replacement Cronin. John Brennan is the new coach there. So he didn't have to move very far. He was at northern Kentucky four seasons. Top three in the horizon league each of the past three seasons to instability tournament appearances perfectly reasonable higher. Cincinnati right. I do think it's a reasonable higher. I thought it was a little bit surprising that in this year where to me, it seems there are more than usual. We get them every year but promotions from within to replace outgoing head coach with a sitting assistant. You didn't see Darren Savino who has longtime leader system and Macron at UC he did not get the job Savino will now go out to Westwood. It's actually a heck of a heck of a consolation prize. If you don't get the head job at UC instead get to go live in LA and coach at a blueblood program. I thought Savino had a real shot. He lose to Brennan, by the way, if you wanna keep track on all the stuff go to go to CBS sports app project, cbssports dot com. We have the updated coaching carousel. What's open? What's not who's been replaced? All that good stuff. But brand is a good higher. He has done stuff at northern Kentucky. Which is a relatively fertile in new program to the one rinks in the past six seven years. He's done good stuff there. So I think that he. Good shot at succeeding for Cincinnati. The challenge. Now is you hope you hire the coach can exceed what Cronin did in terms of instabilities tournament excess. But also try and come close to matching what he didn't terms of regular season success because as a reminder, I know we've talked about this on the podcast, plenty cincy made nice, right and simply tournaments and getting getting to the tournament outside of five to seven schools should not be taken for granted by any program in America because you will have down years you will have down periods. But Kronen despite not being able to bring in top forty talent almost ever got cincy into the incidental as almost every single year of his tenure in obviously the run the past nine straight years. It was just since he couldn't couldn't break that ceiling only making one this week sixteen in that run. So you hope it can be just as good there. I think he will fall short of that. I'm not selling his coaching ability short. Just you can't expect them. Very few coaches ever have made nine street and stubbly tournament since the field expanded in eighty five. But if you can get hot, and he can get cincy too, Sweet Sixteen lead. Date then he'll done his job there. I think it's a good higher promising young coach and all things considered who Cincinnati was looking at Kenyon. Martin went on Twitter perish and kind of kill the process. I don't know if that's over Nick Van Exel not getting the job. I honestly don't know what he was getting there. I think brand is a very good very solid higher. Yeah. This is where I do think. It's cincinnati. They made a mistake in the process because you've got some pretty relevant. Alums kenyon. Martin being one who's obviously not afraid to express his opinion, Nick Van Exel. It wasn't just like at a note Nick than is like an NBA assistant coach. So it would have been the Vanderbilt can hire Jerry Stackhouse. There's no reason you can't in theory higher knickknacks. And if I were Cincinnati, and I said this I don't know where I said it somewhere I talk for living. I said you got at least you got at least take the meeting out of respect. Because even if you're not going to hire him, and I'd I would have hired John Brennan over knickknacks. But even if you're not gonna hire knickknacks, and you gotta sit down out of respect, and and listen to him, and maybe he'll surprise you. Or maybe he'll make you wanna go that direction. But when exile one of the most famous basketball players of all time says I want to be the next head coach at Cincinnati to not even sit down with him. I think even if it's not mitt to disrespectful it plays that way to Nick Van Exel and two Nichols teammates. And so now, you've got a bunch of former Cincinnati. Players. You know? Anti cincinnati. It doesn't mean that John can't mend those fences. But I will tell you this. Penny. Hardaway wanted the Memphis job when Toby Smith got hired, and they should have just hired in. But they didn't wanna hire him. Then they didn't think he was ready, but they still took the meeting they still sit down with them. And then just explained to him why they're going to go in another direction. But, but if Penny Hardaway wants to meet with you, you meet, and I would say the same thing in Cincinnati of knickknacks wants to meet with you. I think you need to meet with them that they didn't has called this which makes it a little bit more complicated. Otherwise would be John. You don't want famous Cincinnati players. Bashing your school your program on social media within hours of getting the job. But it is what it is. I think John will do a good job there. Obviously, they they did talk to Frank Martin. And I was told that that was headed that direction for a little while. And then it got blown up in some form by somebody. But. John Brennan is obviously done. Impressive stuff at northern Kentucky in a short period of time. And he's exactly the type of guy who deserves a shot and gets this shut. And I think that he'll be fine. I'd bet against anybody making any new hire making nine hundred and somebody tournaments. So when you say, I think he'll probably fall short of that. I would I would assume that for literally every coach that's just been hired as you point out. That is never to be taken for granted. I know that mic didn't get as many second weekends. And and that kind of stuff that Cincinnati wanted since any fans wanted, but making them instantly tournament nine street years at any program is impressive. And so that's a tough bar to try to reach. But I'm totally cool with IRA. I think it's a sensible higher. And if you're Cincinnati fan that's finding yourself like all right? Like, hopefully, you know, all right branded. Okay. But not a big name when you got Mick Cronin. Having come from Mary state. He made incivility tournaments. They're too short amount of time two and three years. Look what Cincinnati became under him. I understand like there wasn't the the turnament success, but he turned Cincinnati into an indisputable top twenty five program in America annually, big picture, pretty much everything and Brennan could become something similar to that. You just you just never know the not every coach when he is hired to a top thirty top forty program in America is an established name, and they only become such after they take those jobs are given a chance of jobs and then find big picture success. We look five years from now, maybe John Brennan is considered a top thirty coach in America, or maybe he fizzles out and he's gone three to four years in Cincinnati moves on and heck hires knick fan. Excellent twenty twenty three I don't know. I just I don't have a huge issue with the higher last thing here as we get out of here. GP I will will remember Tigers woods win at. Masters and twenty nine for two things one the fact that he did it in two when he was on the seventeenth hole. You broke the brand into Cincinnati higher. And I was like perish. What the hell you doing right now? Tiger tire about that? Give us one of the biggest moments in sports history. In Paris, got the Brandon scoop to Cincinnati. It was it was the most random outta left field thing. I saw the entire week. I actually like I was well aware of the timing. And not is when you get news. You get and I got I got. Got a call from a source, and they were like this is this is going to happen. You know? It's going to happen. But it's not done yet. So like, maybe just emerges leading candidate. You know, the way you were they saying to make it clear, you know, this is about to go down, even if it's not technically going down yet. And my I did consider like do. I just wait on this because Tiger Woods the whole world tweeting about Tiger Woods. I'm just gonna interrupt casts tweet. The John Brennan is gonna be the next head coach at Cincinnati actually had. And then you just you revert to commonsense. And you're just like you. You tweet news whenever you get news. You don't worry about the timing. And so I did get some responses that I expected like who cares? S like tiger with Esther cares about job British. I like one guy tweet him. He was like, dude. Even John Brennan doesn't care about this right now. That's so funny. Probably true. Yes. Very funny. But anyway, just wanted that was actually that was the hold up in John getting the deal finalized. But Cincinnati they were like, hey, listen, let's watch tiger. And then we'll get back at the table and get this thing figured out. So yeah, the timing was what it was. But as you know, when you get something you can go with you just go with it, regardless of the timing. But I I was I was I did not lack awareness of of. Nobody cares about the city coaching search win. Tiger Woods is walking up eighteen. Good stuff. All right. Well, great to catch up with you. Glad to see we're still floating in each other's lives. And then obviously, we'll Pazos still becoming as news warrants. We won't be slow on that. And at some point when the I don't know if it'll be the next part of the one after that. But once we have all of the coaching stuff settle that needs to be settled. I think it might be worth like fifteen twenty minute conversation just to kind of recap. Okay. Here's who got what jobs. We'll we'll do some sort of. I don't know if we'll dedicate a whole episode to. But I think we should dedicate at least in part of a pod on like, okay? Here's what you need to know. Here's who landed where we'll kind of do some quickey vows. So that'll be coming at some point in the next couple of weeks. I wish it were possible for us to just talk for fifteen or twenty minutes. I know I know. Devon, Downey Shasta chest, South Carolina, -tarian fatigue. He's led to learn out. If you haven't subscribed. CBS sports college basketball, I guess yet. Please go do that. 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College Basketballs Uncertain Return to the Court

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30:54 min | 8 months ago

College Basketballs Uncertain Return to the Court

"If you happen to just be joining us. The nco boy. Men's and women's basketball tournaments for this year have been canceled and they statement. That was just released today. Ncwa president mark and the board of governors cancelled the division one men's and women's basketball tournaments as well as all remaining winter and spring. Ncwa championships that was from marched. Wealth when we officially learned that march madness was taking on a more darkly literal meaning in america this year. but starting tomorrow men's college basketball is finally back albeit mid pandemic and today. Espn's myron medcalf catches you up on a season that will be vastly different from any other. You may remember. I'm pablo torre. it's tuesday november. Twenty four th this is. espn daily. Myron i am incredibly excited to talk to you today so thank you for joining. espn daily. Thanks for having me. Man decided myron medcalf has been covering college basketball for espn for nearly a decade. So my excitement. I should admit comes from a place of utter ignorance because after eight months of this pandemic after a cancellation of march madness. I have literally no idea myron what to expect from college basketball. At all this season in terms of the virus in terms of what's happening on the floor. All i really know right now. Is that both duke. And arizona announced yesterday that they are postponing their opening games. Because of covid and tennessee's rick. Barnes got diagnosed with corona virus. So let's just begin with tip off tomorrow. What's this all going to look like. Why i think that's the million dollar question college basketball a lot like college football. Most of the games are scheduled to be played obviously cove. It was a challenge for college football. I think for college basketball. That'd be magnified by about ten because you have more than three hundred team that are going to try to kick this season off. So i think everybody's just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best and not knowing what the head is on the theme of the three hundred teams. All kind of spinning. This roulette wheel is a lot to process. What are the protocols. Like the health protocols teams employers going to try to abide by this season. I think that's another important question and it's difficult to answer in that. There are so many different protocols by state by county depending on what's conference iran. I mean you're talking to thirty two different conferences. I'll give you an example. The american athletic conference. They're going to test three days per week during the season can't do a consecutive days. That's what ended up like guidelines. Recommend however at temple abide by the city of philadelphia's protocols which say they have to test seven days before competition every single day so you have even within conferences different rules and regulations. I've talked to athletic directors and california who are telling me that they still have to submit plans to their local authorities to get approval to compete this season. Forget host the team. Forget any of the other details just to be able to get back on the floor so you got see a lot of chaos unfold in the coming months so you are very clearly a healthcare reporter on top of being a college basketball reporter so myron explained to me what is happening in these. Pseudo bubbles where regular season games are gonna take place. One of them is an eleven day. Event starts tomorrow called bubble ville. Which has real dr seuss fives from what i can tell. What exactly is bubble ville. Well we're gonna find out but it's basically a bunch of teams all in one side of the megan sun in connecticut. Where the idea is you have everybody. At one location. There will be testing measures. Extreme testing measures with the goal being the kind of emulate. What you saw with the nba bobble on a on a somewhat smaller scale. They don't have the two hundred million dollars that the nba spent. Two resources are different. But i think their attempt is to mimic that. And when you're there there will be security in these hotels making sure that people are following protocols and then there will be specific places that you can and can't go. The challenge is going to be. Can you do that for dozens and dozens of teams and make sure that everybody's following the rules we saw the nba and the resources they put into that. It's a different different level. I think with college basketball in an attempt to pull this off for the next couple of weeks there are certainly some challenges attached to that. And there's already issues at bubble ville right. I mean the news baylor and some other schools have already pulled out of this tournament. Florida kobe issues. They pull out Baylor scott drew head coach. Their test positive announces that yesterday they pull out and then arizona state which was scheduled to play. Baylor in bubble veal. Says you know what we're not comfortable so you already have teams that have been moving things around an idea that i think we'll see throughout the season. How can you play college basketball with three hundred plus teams unless there is some sort of pseudo bubble environment so i wanna talk about travel here like that's as important seemingly as anything else when there isn't a bubble scenario myron howard teams planning to get places safely. How is travel for say duke. A power five school compared to like a mid major a lot different. If you're duke or kentucky you have almost created a bubble on campus kentucky at their dorm their private dorm for athletes to have twenty four hour chef who cooks all the meals. The practice facility is one hundred feet away and then when they go play games pablo they hop on their private jet and they go to that game whereas i taught two coaches in montana. Let's say who are trying to schedule games whether asking opposing teams to only make them flat through one airport instead of three. I know a team. That's looking to make thirteen. Fourteen hour trips to north dakota one way and intergraph to turn back around and do it to get back home so the travel situation will depend largely on your budget and then location and logistics to hawaii. Where now if you travel to hawaii to play a game you have to test negative at least seventy two hours before arriving on the island but in the conference hawaii is officials. They're trying to figure out if there's a way once hawaii comes to the mainland. Can they keep them here for a few weeks to avoid any other travel nightmares. But out of their avoidable. There's going to be a mess. Man all of that. Chaos of the differences between the haves and the have nots becoming more obvious how does scheduling get affected meyer in by all of that especially for those smaller schools. Well two weeks ago. I can tell you have college basketball. Didn't have a schedule. So i mean that's how it's been affected. I mean a lot of this bad honestly is going to be saturday morning at the. Ymca hey do you have an open date. I have an open date. Are you available to play saturday. Because that's just sort of how it's folding teams are largely focused on their league schedule. Making sure they can get conference play going but if you're a smaller school you want this by game money so myron just to be clear for those who aren't familiar with the economy of college basketball the real economy when you say by games. That's b u. y explain. What a by game is in the first place so basically the power five schools and the richer schools in order to create a schedule a non conference schedule they have to bring in teams for home games because they make a ton of money off home games from concessions and parking tickets and all that stuff. So they'll pay a school to come to their place for instance. North carolina played edwards in georgia. Last year georgia paid north carolina central ninety thousand dollars. They gave them hotel rooms. They might give them a per diem. They might pay for their bus fare. That of thing So that's the by game economy. That's sort of the secret of college. Basketball is a lot of schools are on the road constantly november and december. Because they're just making a ton of money for that led a department through those by games those by games both because of the economy and because of kobe concerns are disappearing for a lotta those schools. So you've got team from smaller conferences. Trying to figure out a way to make up for that and they're the more anxious programs whereas you'll hear the power five say. Hey let's play conference play. It's no big deal to us. We're gonna make money either way. It's the smaller schools that are trying to figure out november and december and they haven't had a ton of luck with that and be biggest engine of the college basketball economy of course is march madness that we didn't get infamously this year. It's one of the biggest things in our industry on the planet what have been the domino affects myron court of the cancellation of the tournament. In march i think a lot of guys who tested the waters and stayed in the nba draft. It and go. Because as you know it's the showcase for a lot of these athletes you can count numerous individuals who have been big stars in march and that's turned into any opportunity. So i think a lotta guys who came back not having a tournament and a chance to impress scouts and executives. That was a big part of that. The other thing is just been the financial element the nwa has been preaching the same message. We have to have a tournament this year because last year they lost three hundred and seventy five million dollars by not having an tournament. Now what does that money me. Interpolate makes more than ninety percent of its revenue off the tournament and a lot of schools. Make a lot of money for their leagues off the aa tournament through a payout system. That's essentially based on the number of teams that get into the tournament from your league and how far they go for instance loyalist. Chicago makes that run to the final four couple years ago. That was eight million dollars for their conference that everybody gets to eat off. So it's not just the aa losing money. It's all these leagues and schools as well which is why the has been pretty adamant that they have to find a way to have tournament. They've announced the nc double a. That be twenty twenty. One tournament will be played in a single location. Indianapolis is the current favorite. What other details do we know myron about how that plan might look. It's interesting because like i call it helped officials in indianapolis and they were like what plan you know. So they didn't know anything about it. So when into aa says they're talking to indianapolis like i don't know what that means at this point but they basically want to put the tournament one city. Avoid the travel. Avoid crisscrossing the country. The funny thing is they're going to be crisscrossing the country for four months so i don't know why the tournament changes that right. What they want to pull this off. They think this is their best chance. Get eight gyms around indianapolis play the games get to the final four have a tournament in one place and logistically. They think they can pull it off. I've talked to coach impossible and they just don't see how sixty eight teams do that but more than anything. It's the nwa saying if we gotta get a space shuttle and go play on the moon not lose a three hundred and seventy five million dollars again. All right myron after the break. You've been a healthcare reporter a business reporter. I wanna get you back to how i know you originally which is as a college basketball report who can tell us what teams and players. We should be looking out. For as the actual season gets underway. There are a lotteries to like eighteen. Thirty five g for example lisa. Who's a professional race car driver and base jump wing suit enthusiasts likes. At and t. Five g because it's fast and then there's terry who's a bodyguard. Who once wrestled a high. You know when it got too close to his client on safari terry likes. At and t. five g because it secure and take sasha who's a librarian and hasn't missed a day of work in twenty seven years not even that time. She broke both her legs and had the measles she likes. 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They're bringing back kiai clarkin. Sam houser the transfer coming in villanova kong. Be so i think you have a number of teams that just have veteran than they have experienced. And when you talk to those teams and those coach is they're saying the same thing we have to adjust if games are cancelled if they're interruptions but their trust on veteran leadership the teams that have young guys come and are not a certain. They're expecting more hiccups in all of this. So i think those experienced teams at the top that you mentioned have an advantage. It's also admittedly pretty striking to get a list. Like that. And not see duke or kentucky or carolina or kansas. The blue bloods that most fans are most familiar with. So where are they at heading into the season. They're all still good at thinking about take a little more time for sort of america to meet them. It's much easier when you have zion on your roster to say. Hey here's duke you know it got everybody in. America knows who that is. But i think they're just in a situation where they're good battle. They're better than those top. Five teams at the top but kentucky to me is the team when i talking about enough. Olivier sar in the transfer of wake forest. They got the young guy bidet. Boston new play with brownie. Junior out in high school really talented prospect. So i think they're going to be pretty good and more people would be talking about them in the coming weeks duke. Matthew who comes back jaylon johnson. The five star prospect could be a lottery pick. He's gonna be in the mix for them. I think they'll be good. North carolina garrison brooks veteran could be one of the top players in america. I think they'll be much better than what you saw. Last year and that season where coal anthony was injured and then kansas marcus garrett probably going to be an all american. Maybe the best two way player in the country. But i'd say for all of those teams the common trait is. They don't have that one guy that makes you go. Oh man. I have to watch him. But i do think that'll change. Maybe in the next couple weeks. So i wanna ask you about that one guy because there are a bunch of players that you alluded to who are expected to be all americans. But who's the one guy that you have your eye on luca. Garza is six eleven. Big man at iowa take. You wins every national player of the year award. If it wasn't for open-top numbers were phenomenal. And he's just going to get better deeper darsur. That's why it's raining so hard outside iowa's a chance to reach the final four for the first time since nineteen seventy nine. I big ten championship in forty years. They're chasing history. Guards is cool man because he's been watching film and he's been watching. Anthony davis and the call yokich and all those guys but he's really been studying jack sigma and kareem abdul-jabbar. How does that happen. His dad's like an old school basketball dots and he is actually going to bring back the skylab. He told me. Luca garza wants. One of goto moves this season to be the skyhook like korean and he's been working on it and he thinks he can pull it off so i think that'd be fun to watch so if he brings back the skyhook. Is there a chance we may get the goggles. Can we get luca garza regardless of his eyesight to get the goggles. I'm going to encourage it. I'm that promote that idea. Because it seems like they go hand in hand. But i'll start with the skyhook man. I honestly don't know why more big guys don't use that move. It was impossible to stop with kareem right. I don't think it'll be any different now so in terms of the newcomers the young bloods who are clearly a lot younger than lou garza. Who are the incoming freshmen. Who is the incoming freshmen. That we should be looking out for here. It's k- cunningham. I mean that's the dude cunningham. The turnaround pr stat. Stuff on twelve point. Seven four four assists. He does so much eighteen line for cutting oklahoma state. Five star kid. Six seven six eight ball handler point. Dr can do everything. I think the thing you'll notice right away is his body and just how ready he is already for the nba. You see him in high school and he just get to wherever he wants to go night. Is that oklahoma state. So he's going to have to be really good in order to get people to pay attention. But i think he's that legit and i think he's the number one pick in next summer's nba draft k. Cunningham is one of the better freshman. I've seen the last three or four years. And i think he'll be maybe the most exciting player in america. Well it's also interesting because oklahoma state already like relatively smaller school but also they can't be playing in march right even if there is a march madness. Yeah you got the postseason ban. The oklahoma state ban comes from a situation that preceded might boy in the current head coach. There was a staff member who was tied to the fbi's investigation into college basketball. That started in two thousand seventeen and this is the penalty. And this is the result of that. So k cunnigham was paying for the sins of someone that he didn't know had no association with but cade and is teammates them before. Then i think maybe the advantages with all the interruptions potentially this season. It'll be hard to follow the college basketball schedule. So we will follow the stars of the sport. And that's why. I think there will be a big spotlight on k khanna gam who won't play in the tournament but if you're lucky by play for your favorite nba so myron. I do want to look ahead. Perhaps irresponsibly ahead. And let's pretend that we get to march where'd barge there are little to no interruptions. Miraculously and we're in this bubble in indianapolis who is your incredibly early. Pick to win this whole thing. I would say gonzaga to me. Is the team that has all corks birds coming back with a top returning players. In america you add jalen suggs. Who's a five star recruit out of minnesota point guard to sports are extremely athletic. Was great and football to you. Add him to an experienced team but mark few that to me. Is the team out. Picked to cut down the nets plus at some point. Mark has to get one at some point. Mark view is just going to get a national championship. He he's been right there. So many times would have been a number one seat again. Last year the tournament had been canceled. But i feel like jalen sons. Is that athlete. Zag hasn't had. And i think he changes everything. So now i want the even more dangerous prediction dea think we're gonna complete this season that is that is an important question and it is more dangerous prediction. I'll say this. I will guarantee you that we haven't enter aa turn. How about that. I will guarantee it won't guarantee is that will have a real regular season. And i won't guarantee that the tournament wife sixty eight teams but i guarantee that we will stay some kind of tournament because the aa is willing to invest millions of dollars to make it happen because once again they lost three hundred and seventy five million dollars last year. They are not going to lose that money again. So i think for sure. We will complete the season with the into aa tournament. No idea what happens before that and don't get stuck on sixty eight teams. Because i don't see that myron medcalf healthcare reporter business reporter college basketball expert and possibly profit but thank you for explaining all of it on espn daily. Thanks all right. Those are the challenges facing college basketball but coming up. I want to talk about college football. 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That is subjective and contentious in a normal year. Get done in a year. that's not like any other. Espn's heather dench has been covering the cfp committee for years. So i asked her to take me through what to expect in twenty twenty so heather. You've participated in a mock. Cfp selection committee. Before right. i've done it about five climbs all the way back to win. I was the role of condoleeza rice. And i've played the i've played the role of the chair. But it's really a much more detailed process than think you don't just sit down at a table. Slap down twenty five teams and call it a day and go home. i mean. They're literally meeting all day. Monday half of the day tuesday and making sure that they're comfortable with it before they leave. And what is meeting in that process like this year in the era of virtual zoom meetings. How is it going to be different. Or how will it be the same. It's going to be extremely different first of all every single committee member on monday morning. Before the meetings begin given daily antigen tests they are in a room at the gaylord texan. That is literally twice the size of what they usually. It's over a thousand square feet. There's at least six feet between each committee member. They're all required to wear masks Even the way that their food is served is different. Typically it's just a you know you serve yourself now there's plexiglass and it's buffet style. Somebody behind the glass but the biggest thing is obviously the committee members all having to take tests and if you get a positive test as a committee member then you have to follow up with. Pcr tests to confirm it and if you have a positive test you are in your hotel room. The gaylord texan resort for two weeks per cdc guidelines fourteen days of isolation. Or if you feel well enough and you live close enough. You're allowed to drive home. So that's obviously a very involved set of protocols that are there to help govern the deciding of a bunch of teams that have been severely affected by a really intense set of protocols. I mean how different is this job of being on the committee this year heather in terms of deciding the top four teams versus in years past. I think it's more difficult. I think it's more difficult because you don't have those. Acc sec non conference games. You don't have oregon ohio state to help separate those two teams right off. The bat and look if oregon is an undefeated. Pac twelve champion. Ohio state isn't undefeated. Big ten champ. Maybe they're both in. They probably both are right. But those types of big non conference games in the past have helped Those comparisons in those debates and lean a little bit more towards the team. That played a strong strength of schedule so their challenge is to determine if a seven in one team right now is better than three zero team. You know you've heard apples oranges right. This is orange is to bananas pizza slices. There's there's no standard across the board here in terms of resumes. It's all different in the pac. Twelve is playing from behind because they only started in november in terms of that scheduling disparity. Do you have a sense as to how that is going to be unpredictable or do you have a sense as to how they're going to be seeing that well. I think that the eye test is going to come into play possibly this year more than any other. When you're looking at a team like clemson schedule. They haven't won of football game since halloween. Let that sink in they clemson. Clemson has not won a football game since halloween. Trevor lawrence hasn't played in weeks. You know he's good whereas you look at ohio state. They didn't pass the eye test necessarily against indiana. They had three turnovers for justin field. Their defense rendered almost five hundred passing yards. There's holes in the secondary that we've seen not just against indiana against rutgers. So yeah the they're three and all the one of the best teams in the country. But how much credit does the committee gives. Cincinnati just went on the road and beat a really good ucf team. That's only a couple points away from being undefeated themselves. All of those things Come into play. But i think my biggest question is how do they rank cincinnati and and by the way on clinton like with trevor lawrence having missed that game. Is there a sense as to okay. The resume might have been even stronger if he had played. Let sort of factor that in the way that they would have accounted for. Maybe a normal injury or is this going to be treated as its own particular case because it's a covert related issue won't be treated as any different than a player who missed because of injury and i talked to see if pe- executive director bill hancock about this because if you look at the committee's protocol it specifically says Injuries to key players and he said it really should. We should change that. Were to availability because the committee even before this year considered if a player was out for a suspension or targeting penalties. They whatever the reason players miss games or half. The committee is well aware of it. And this falls under that same category and i guess the biggest question of all of this heather given all of the anarchy you described dea think. We're actually going to get this thing. The college football playoff itself come january twenty twenty one fingers toes arms legs crossed that with commissioners are hoping for yes as of now. They're hopeless to crown a champion on january eleventh miami florida. Their biggest question right now is what happens if a semi-finalist has a cova issue and can't play in either the rose or the sugar bowl on january first. Because that's when you start to really have to think about pushing the playoff back other than formerly condoleeza rice. Thank you for making sense of the apples and the oranges and bananas in all the pizza madam secretary to you but thank you so much for having me on. I'm pablo torre and this has been. Espn daily. i'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Motivation

"E hard NFL versus MLB Cuyler Murray girly versus Zeke for Saturday and Janas versus hardened for MVP. If he decapitates him. He's got a better shot at winning McMullen. I Calla shop and motor severance back with us. Let's go. Go. Cussin' protocol. Hardin? Yeah. That would fall would have been dug his beg out the year, though, headline open as expect Kyla Murray to enter the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. That's San Francisco Chronicle and with that the football or baseball debate seemingly has heard Todd mcshay as Murray as a mid to late first rounder that would slow them anywhere between seven and twelve million guaranteed signing bonus for baseball when he was drafted number nine last year by Oakland was four point six million. He'd have to return that plays football. But on paper right now looks like he could make more immediately playing football. So Tim would should do and what should be factoring in his decision. I think there's two things he needs to do near future. One is have a great workout. Whether that's at the combine are you doesn't matter which he will do because he can play the game and to the other one. I don't know. I think it needs the beige. You're five foot ten that will help him a lot to ease. Some of these concerns about how short he is. And I have a hard time believing fake. Mayfield could just have had the rookie year. He did. And that Murray who had the same passing stats? Oh, you won the same trophy is a light years better runner. He can't play the game because he's maybe an inch and a half shorter. The good news for Murray. The NFL is moving his direction it's becoming more like a college game and the bad news. I think is the baseball really doesn't fit him the Oakland A's. They're not looking for a speed outfielder. They still thirty five bases as a team last year. They want guys with thirty Homer. Okay. All right. I don't know varies. But you said he's got a measure five ten that's shorty in one inch from what he's listed at Oklahoma. By the way, listen to five eleven you don't even. There are people thinking come on as usually panelists stood next to him and talk to him and try. All right. All right. What were you wearing your Spanish tourist shoes while you were doing this? I know how you operate a lift in there. Out on the street. I saw get into Murray's brain here. And how should he be considering his options? And when Tim spoke to me was looking up at column so that should give indication of the size that he is a couple of things to remember. He does have a big bonus early received from the as and his agent is Scott Boras. So he's the most powerful legion in baseball. I would say ten years ago. I don't think there's any chance he's playing in the NFL. But obviously had a terrific season. Good enough to be the Heisman Trophy winner. Did not have a great national semifinal game. But I do agree with him the way the NFL is trending right now in Russell Wilson was a Super Bowl winning quarterback. And did lead his team to the playoffs. You can be that size and be successful. There's no way I'm taking them in the first round unless I know for sure that he's sticking with me and playing Macchi MC moan. You. So Tim is the only panelist that's five foot ten and was actually listed as five foot eleven. There you go. Tell you that I think you're right about size. I think size will be an issue for him. But he doesn't need a bunch of teams. He just needs one. And there will be one out for him for the performances that he's showed us in college football, and our great statisticians here at around the Tony tell us that twenty two percent of the current NFL quarterbacks made at least fifty million dollars. So you don't even have been great to be a very successful rich and fell quarterback Ramona Shelburne for the money, my friend. Look, I think baseball teams are used to this. I mean, this is they're used to picking guys who have to make decisions about what direction they're gonna go. They're gonna go to college. They're going. This is a new one no one's ever been taken in the first round of an MLB draft NFL draft. So this is a new complication, but it's a similar similar prospect. Which essentially he's just gotta decide which sport he wants to play. 'cause I think we've seen enough now to say he's going to be either first or second round pick, or at least that's the projection right now in in NFL. And if that's the case, which sport do you like better? I mean, if you go to baseball you're gonna start your career and high Stockton. And then there's no guarantee you've ever make point. If you go to if you go to the NFL, you go, and you're probably handed the keys you brought up Scott Moore's agent in baseball. But that real that made factor into the most microscopic way he's gonna make his own decision. Right. You're not gonna let the agent decide where your future's going to be where your career is going to be. Are you Frank will clearly and that's what? Happening right now. But I do think when you hire a guy like Scott Boris, you know, that he's going to get you a gigantic contract down the remote is right about when you're in the first round in baseball you start at a low level. There's no guarantee that you're going to move up. So that's part of it. But having if I were baseball player, and I know the owners don't like him. I know the jams. Oh, like them being a quarterback. Does that have you valuating differently? If he can get picked in the first round Lamar Jackson was thirty second last year. He got a bigger Lawrence heat seven million now. Numbers. Are there it just flipped on its head from what it was in the past someone like Jeff's, Marsha different position? Of course, he was a wide receiver versus a pitcher in baseball. But clearly he made the right decision by sticking around with baseball. I mean, dozens of millions of dollars where his last baseball contract was one last thing on this. There's also the video going around of clippings when he wasn't in position to draft. Kyle number one saying he would drift Kyla Murray. Number one. He's now in position to drift kinda Murray number one because the cardinals are on the clock and they drafted Josh Rosen. Number three lead here. Tim you connect any thoughts. There. No. I mean, I think that's got a mind. Blowing thing talk think about with Kyla Murray and cliff Kingsbury being together. But he said that I mean he played against play against him. That's kind of thing you say when you're pumping up the guy you're about to face. I. Nobody thinks this something or or can we move on from this just talk a couple months ago from guy? I mean, he can't you cannot draft quarterback quarterback back to back years in the first round. Well, right. No one's no. Everyone's integrated. You can't if you wanna trait when Kenneth you wanna trade wanted trade Rosen. So you think that's something? They're considering sitting in the Bank. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't want to you. You can't save look if you clippings or you want him to have his quarterback, right? Who's the guy that he wants that can run his system the best? He feels good about. Josh rosen. You stick with Josh Rosen. But if he wants Mery, that's the guy you just went on hired, you should give them the guy one. Well, we'll keep an eye out for that. We'll move on at the moment. Sean Payton, motivating is safe this we can practice brought his Lombardi trophy to work showed off his re and had three armed guards. Walk into hundred thousand dollars cash, which is the bone is players dead in a playoff run to the Super Bowl. I say something on this show a lot. It's George Costanza large nor not in the mood. You get in the mood. Sean Payton that really needs to motivated saints with cash. I think there's nothing wrong with it. Remember, Sean Payton comes from the Bill Parcells coaching tree Bill Parcells was famous for doing something. Like this. Remember what he put the gas tank and Lawrence Taylor, soccer and said how much do you have left in it? And so I think it's a good thing to do remember too. This is a team that took off basically the final week and lost their last game of the season. But they have home field advantage. And when you appeal advantage in the NFL playoffs that means to home winds gets you to the Super Bowl. Sean Payton is smart enough to realize the quarterback the age is this is a once in a lifetime. Shawn Payne is smart enough to realize there at home the next two games, and they need to win to get to the Super Bowl. I think everybody is a weird. That's my whole point here. Jackie you've covered teams in the NBA. I'm sorry Franko head. If you wanna if you wanna finish it off go ahead. I'll give you I'll give you more time. Please. No, I'm saying, you don't always get the opportunity there. Not the New England Patriots who seem to do all the time. They back team to home primarily in the NBA. But also the patriots as well for the last twenty thirty years when it comes to motivate. Is it really necessary to bring out the cash and the trophy and the ring? Well, I don't think it's paramount. But I will say this. There's a funny thing about NFL NBA all professional athletes, the visualization of a ton of cash for whatever reason seems to really resonate. Time and time and time again, and you know, what I can remind I remind you of two thousand eight when Doc Rivers was in LA with the Celtics money. He said everybody give me one hundred bucks. Everybody took a hundred bucks out of the wall. They put it in the ceiling at the at the end, he said, the only way we come back here is if we're in the NBA finals, that's the only way you get your money, and you know, what back there, and they got their moves. A little bit Ramona Shelburne, how about you. Yeah. Jackie it's not just divisional athletes. If you just put a bunch of cash in front of me, it would motivate me as well. Okay. We off the Mark here little bit. But four team like the saints now favored going into this game. And has Frank broke for us. Sean Payton, the only one that knows they have two home games. Go into a Super Bowl believe their minds in the right place. Right. Yeah. Look they beat them by forty one points in week eleven. I mean, if they. I'm not saying you're taking the defending champions lightly. But if you just need a team by forty-one points in week eleven maybe a little extra motivation. Ramona just hit on the key that forty one point margin. It's hard to convince players. This team's really good now. Nick foles makes forty one point difference. So get ready for it. So you give them the cash, and you give them the trophy. And they all they all want us to know only one day only one who knows that they won by forty one a few weeks ago too. One last thing in this in this segment. We catch hot girly and his knee. He says he's fine. Here's video of in practicing. It's going around a warming up. And then practicing Rams have put this out there Ramona how concerned should LA have girly and his knee. I mean, I I'm concerned they they were not haven't been the same team since he's gotten hurt. And they really weren't the city team that they were in the second half of the season. They weren't as great because the book on how to beat the Rams was stopped Cup Todd Gurley and get Jared Goff to beat you Jared Goff. Wasn't that great the last the second half of the season? So if they wanna go to the rules, they have those kind of rations they need Todd at his best, and I didn't really see much in that video other than the fact that he's able to run through gel show you hadn't played since December sixteenth. So he will have had almost a month to rest rehab, whatever he wants to do with this the I assume he's going to be pretty good and the Cowboys are making that same assumption. I still don't know if you can manage Zeke who's one hundred twenty five yards in every okay, you want to say go ahead and say you're taking Zeke over girly in this. I'm just saying there's a sure thing there's a possible right guy solo. Can you answer that question in more direct way than Cala show? Just did. Here. Here's a guy that gained twelve thousand yards or twelve hundred yards in fourteen games. He's so important them. And Ramon and mention them struggling they went to and to down the stretch, and they seem to lose their mo- Joe a little bit and Dallas is so good against the run. You gotta get something out of Todd Gurley. I thought he looked buying in those videos in order for them to win. He better be out there plans, Jack. I'll answer it directly. I will take Zeke Elliott over Todd Gurley in this game. Not just because Elliott's healthy and is a great running back. But also because what you just said Frank because the Cowboys are so good against the run, especially when you hit you before you've advanced which is how girly gets all his yardage. So I like Mona. Rams win this game. If Todd Gurley blank. Catches more than eight ball, which was more than eight poll. So it's not just on the ground receive out of that not just digging to break right year, Shelburne, fifteen thirteen ex-soldier nine McMullen thirteen struck me Jackie as you were talking debut guys. Need some extra motivation, hold on a second extra motivation going to buy or sell? It's raining cats. We're paying him by the envir- self. Oh. We're the Benjamins. I can't believe that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead everybody. No, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance. Gyco projected increase in organic three revenue. Believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance around the horn coming to you from the Heineken river deck pier. Seventeen. It's Bader sound. We're invoking the ground round rules around the paying by the pound buyer cells showdown one yawn. He does with his assessment of you being in a league. We know about now he's getting better helping my team win. No one day might happen on if I'm get. Get. He says he might not be there yet. But if he'd be heads everybody in front of them get their kind of quick. Twenty seven twenty one and five in the win over hardens. Forty two eleven at six numbers are ludicrous, by the way, bucks beat the rockets Ramon, and we're going to start with you. Where's yawn is the landscape right now? I think he's he's so far. I mean, if you look at the bucks and the narrative of how they've kind of the top of the congress and the way, oh, I use your word. I don't remember what word wasn't. I say it again gonna lose more. All right, please. I give you a pass. At least I think buttonholes is the front runner for coach of the year, the yacht as the Firmenich Grammy peas is greatest James harden has been the team has not been as good like he had some great scoring performances carrying them right now. But they're not leading the Western Conference in the league. Like they were hard and really chase the MVP Janas Vic ready for it yet. What are you here? I'm saying the honest is not a good fit for the NBA. This is not how you do things. The best coming out of college. Not not tell people. I don't think I'm very when you're as great as he is. He might be all right right now. I would vote for him. I would go over over pardoned or polite. Whoever got Sola. Tim hit on something to remember Jaanus came out and said how other superstars call them up over the summer wanted to work out. That's not the way that he doesn't wanna work out with other guys. He said there that is not lip service. That's the kind of guy is he's a humble part playing guy. That's the kind of star you want to build your team around. And by the way, right this minute. He's the MVP. He's number one on your Ballard. How about your Jackie MAC? I love it Janas doing you realize that the bucks the only team that's top five in offense and defense, and you can go right to Janas to look to see why that is the case, and I agree with Ramona hardman, just late games. Still dries in front of everybody gets mad doesn't run back. He's still not my MVP. But I will tell you this much love Janas. It's Colli Leonard. Are you kidding? Nobody is playing both ends of the floor with the domination that Leonard is a new coach a new team. You said that this is not the way things are done in the NBA about Yang. I'm fine with this. He could be the outlier. I'd love to see captain of the the all star game. I think. The modern leak wants for the international level. Okay. Again, ludicrous numbers in the NBA right now. Celtics put up one thirty five last night season. I wasn't even the high for the night do Orleans at one forty Jackie your team Boston is won seven of nine since the team meeting, which we always scuff at but Kyrie Irving credits for turning the season around. How do you? How do you sell it? Well, I think teams are good especially when you win seven of nine. But I think if you really want to look at why they had this incredible dominating home stand that they just had during that homestand that guy. Gordon Hayward twenty points a game shooting nearly fifty cents from the three point line, the Celtics go Gordon Hayward goes as he gets closer and closer to being the guy. He was then they start being something changed with him rounding into form. Getting more separation. Is that what you're seeing with it? Just it just takes time. Tony it was a horrific injury. It takes his much time. Mentally as it does over with the turnaround for Boston. I think they're starting to figure out their roles because initially they were trying to share the ball and pass pass it too much, and they get down to the end of the shot clock and have a bad shot. And I think they're now getting back to okay, this is what kyri Irving does this Jason Tatum. And they're they're going back to what they should have done all along instead of trying to change their whole show has they have played what we think of historically going way back in time as Celtics basketball. This seventy two run the number one at assist percents moving the ball and the Hayward part. The Jackie mentioned is huge. He had the thirty five point game. It's not gonna do that very often. But he's getting sixteen tonight and control. Yeah. Whenever kyri doesn't play. All you here in Boston is looked better without the ball dominant point guard. Kyrie's plane, they're less five games. They've had at least thirty assists. So this sharing the ball. And Ramona's right everyone understands it rolled a little bit better than fire self Ray, New York Jets hiring Adam gates, he was five and one against the jets when he was with the dolphins. The last three years he was eighteen and twenty four gets everybody else Frank. This is your a cab buyers. So the higher. Well, you know, it's the first time they've hired a coach with NFL head coaching experienced since far cells twenty years ago for me, it would have been Mike McCarthy. I actually don't mind the higher Peyton Manning of all people lobby jets ownership and said, you know, what this couch. Good Peyton Manning quarterback. Sam darnold quarterback. I actually think it makes just with Sam darnold in the same said Peyton Manning. All right. Jackie back. Well, I understand why you like to hear from Peyton Manning and what they did with the Denver Broncos. But I don't think the New York Jets are the Denver Broncos. I'm with Frank here. I would have gone with Mike McCarthy who I think can bring a young quarterback along. I know there were troubles at the end with Raja's, but let's not hold that against for crying out loan show. It's a quarterback driven league. And if they feel like his personality fits better with Sam than Mike McCarthy didn't exactly on the best note in Green Bay and especially with Aaron Rodgers. Then that's where you go. I think this is personality driven higher drill show. I actually liked this higher. I throw out his Miami record. He had Ryan tannehill for half time. There. You had Jay Cutler had to go get him play for season. Now he could develop Sam this is good for Sam. Second most wins at around the horn history. But we're throwing out your record right now because you're going to be observer for a showdown between Ramona shelbert Jackie Molly you, enter only. One will lead next. He minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. 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Hour 2: Top 5 QB Confidence Ratings

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes? Set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Sportscenter allnight, six eastern half the PTI sage in Kevin with the latest on grants future in New England. The Spurs trying around without Kawhi and which NFL head coaching vacancy will get filled necsports at six eastern after on ESPN and on the ESPN app. And that means that Adam Schefter will most likely be part of the proceedings if they're working on the coaching carousel. He's got his phone with them at all times as we continue to come to you live from about the river deck that peer seventeen lower Manhattan J will lower. Let's Dan all last Shafie here. We're jammed pack. It's our we get up at the top two NBC candidates making their cases head to head Janas pardon over huge only one could win highlights minute away. Plus the Heisman Trophy winner on the verge of making it as a lot of people say is crazy and those people are wrong. We'll explain to you why as we go forward. Plus, Philip rivers, Tom Brady with absolutely everything at stake. We'll tell you rich better and quarterback is going on. And which one is going home in this hour of get up which starts right? Right now. And again, Las Vegas has basically decided to horse race as of this moment for VP of the NBA. It's honest, and it's hard and they were head to head last night. Jay will and good game broke out after the expected. Midway through the second is hard unstoppable. George hill was wrong magic. Eric Blitzer that away better job. You can't allow him to get going from the three point line rockets up seven there, and I want you to watch on his here. He gets his own offensive rebound, counteracted shirts. One two three four five and they still can't stop. And that's why it's called the Greek freak, right? Just going up elevating the most athletic, but one of the most athletic players in the league. But harden what the handles and the step back and how do you defendant? What do you do you dependent? You force them to be a two point score allowed him to drive don't bite on the step back. George ill come on, man. And he does almost no one seems to be able to stop it. Ten seconds in the half rockets up five how about a little push off. Not call doesn't matter. Once he finds out rhythm. He's a guy that can score in bunches one of the best in the world. He made six threes. He was thirteen of thirty from the floor early fourth quarter. Now bucks. We'll get this. Look at that moment there obviously not on purpose. But it sure looked John is hitting hard in the head hardens thoughts. No noisy covering the hurt. I don't even know where. So mouth found hamburgers his hands. And I know how. I know how. Greeny that scouting report. That's how you get. James harden? The gag I can't believe he just got right up butter fifteen. But now the are coming back to that man. Of course, hardened the step back three in Janas his face and the next possession. It's hard and again, a long three there within seven. I mean, this is his twelve forty point game. But Janas today was too much hand on great passing. Look with that dish there for Bledsoe. Who had ten bucks or up seven back and forth? We go harden. No, pardon gets it back. Throws it up cappella. Yes. Actually did that with who scores. Ends hardened score. Capello he had eighteen and thirteen now under three minutes to go harden gets it to fall over Malcolm Brogdon, he had forty two points, eleven rebounds, six assists rockets trail by just three. But then it'd be too much of this is a dagger from Janas twenty seven points twenty one rebounds, five bucks, take down the rockets and an MVP showdown. One sixteen one on. For me was just another game while they get winning to be honest with you. I know by winning on doing whatever it takes out there help you teammate and just leaving everything on the floor everything they could obviously know on how long us, but I just wants to get around that pain, and it's pretty difficult. Let's slowing down a little bit. But overall of the four quarters of the game we played our butts off in. She's gotta continue to get better. I like these second spectrum stats yesterday. James harden at twenty eight drives going to with right yet. Eighteen more drives going right than left is biggest difference in a game over the last five seasons. J will in a game that did feature the top two candidates for him VP. What did you learn last night that you wanna show? I love the strategy that coach bud hat, and when you think about James harden. He leads the NBA unassisted three point shots. Okay. Fifty five percent of shots. He takes an all his shots from the three point. So I can see George hill yet to meet him early. And if you meet him early outnumber to ball, so he comes off the screen, George hill is going to get up on the screen, and he's going to stay on his right side force him to go into this election. Now, look what James harden and cesium James harden sees this breakdown look at this. I mean, look at this height that he sees you see one two three four four players outnumbering the ball, by the way. Let's just like this down seven one. And this bring you into the trees into the trees and make you use your right hand. Now, George hill gets up on the screen. He's still get screened. Well, look this up that he has a take over the length of a guy won just once again, you can get to 'em beat you at the rim any way tough shot. James harden and misses the shot guy. But that's not Clint Capello's great, getting rebounds. Once again, that's go back this video, okay? Off the time play goes up. Look how hard how high Eric Bledsoe meets him. He meets them around the half court line. That's what you wanna do. It gets over to screen you still fight over the screen for look. He's stays on that left shoulder. Your shot always has to come from your so different. James harden? He gets up on that play. Great deepens. Eric Bledsoe heeded the best job last evening of guarding. James harden? Okay. He passes the ball gets the ball back. Now. Once again, you think about the sides download the side look at everybody focusing on hardy. So you're over does a great job here as he comes he holds his ground. You're forcing James. Harding to finish over the trees born to be a passer. You want him to be a two point score or a passer steps in great defense. You get a quick steal. If there's anything that you saw last night. It was how teams now I know he had forty plus points. But it's how you have to guard him every single time. Great conditioning. You stay on that left shoulder. You force him to be a driver and a passer he's going to get his points. But rather the rest of the team you James harden? And again, it's Milwaukee with another win. No one paying any attention to anything size grant about that. The team in the NFL competition. These guys let's go to the NFL coaching carousel continues to turn three more head coaching jobs were filled yesterday. They'd be gins with the jets. They hire Adam gays who'd been the dolphins head coach the last three years made the playoffs once and gets fired after back to back losing seasons. The Browns also have a coach they promote Freddie kitchens to the head job. He became the Browns offensive coordinator this year after the firings of Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley, and candidly, they were just great after he took over the offense and the Broncos higher Vic Fangio the only coaching higher. So far this cycle with a defensive background nineteen years as an NFL defensive coordinator, the last four very highly regarded in Chicago putting together that defense, and of course, Adam Schefter is still working the phone here because we have all their moves other dominoes that are still to fall. And if there's one thing that you can't help. But notice it is right now, there's an obvious train teams. Go out they get their quarterback. And now they look for the coach they feel works. Well with that quarterback too. Develop and that's the direction almost every team seems to me we've seen six head coach openings filled and we've seen only one defensive. Hey, coach hired Vic Fangio kitchens in Cleveland. Adam gates in New York to work with Sam darnold. You see the trench here. Clip Kingsbury was important for the cardinals to go. Get an Xs and os tactician to go work with Josh Rosen to go making the best quarterback Matt rule whether down Rogers, obviously, while the chance to really enjoy working with but again, offensive coaches, young offense coaches, sit on Sunday countdown on Sunday that there are coaches around the league that believe that this is the Sean McVay effect that everybody out there wants to go hire somebody like, Sean McVay, and there are defensive coaches around league. I think who are resentful of the interview process because they believe that if your quality control coach for Sean McVeigh, you've a better chance to interview. Then if you're a high profile. File defensive coach around the league right now. There's a loss to around anybody that works with Sean McVay, if you clean his toilets. You've a chance to become a prominent coach in the NFL right now, let let me kind of talk about the Sean McVay situation real quickly because I worked with them. I was there for a training camp with them. There's not a lot of guys like him. I mean, Sean McVay. Yes, is a brilliant Xs and os guy. He's incredible with his work ethic. He works tirelessly understands team chemistry. Come rotary. How do I get veterans? They signed guys like Andrew Whitworth in Robert woods and drafted Cooper Cup. And john. I mean, they not only brought in Sean McVeigh, but they brought in really good players and a ton of leadership to any got Wade Phillips. So it's not as easy as like, hey, let's just let's just hire an offensive guy. And we'll be good. Well, he's a great coach. And he totally gets it. One hundred percent. There's not a lot of guys like him, Dan, like out of eight NFL coaches that are hired how many succeed to if you if you're lucky to we see the cycle every or shift. Do you see as good as anybody go to back and? Rollout. The head coaching clashes that are hired every year. And we could go back to the one hundred three years ago. I'm just using a random number shirt. And if there were seven or eight coaches hired they'll be one left right now it repeats itself. Every year seventy changes every year twenty five percent league. Every year they rolled through them. They churn them out. That's the way. That's why do like the cardinals got Clinton Kingsbury. I know it could fail. But at least they're trying something a little bit different. Like at least they're trying to beat people to the punch. I appreciate them trying to go. Okay. Let's do something a little different here. The average tenure for these guys is four years. That's the average tenure in the NFL right now. So you're right. The overwhelming majority of these moves will not work out. We will take a short break here on get up. We have a lot more to get to including in twenty five minutes at new quarterback fundamentalist heading into this weekend's playoff games and believe it or not the goat is not number one. We'll explain why it makes sense. Plus the Heisman Trophy winner is a major decision to make news breaking on this. But does it really tell us. We're Kyle Murray will be next season. Explain and that brings us to a little sneaky him. Kyla Murray is listed at five foot ten and that raises this question who is the only quarterback five ten or shorter to win a single NFL game since the merger in one thousand nine hundred seventy bland to the question and explain white makes my point. Get up on ESPN. Green. This morning on get up and Kyle Kouzmin the Lakers taking on the pistons. Of course, still without LeBron James Jay Williams with this first quarter Lakers trailed by one and Kuzin with a fake out of lake Griffin. I love the pass ahead by Lonzo ball. He's more effective. Lebron isn't he had eleven assists last night Lakers by one early now? They're down too. And Josh heritage availa McGee has to get rid of. It finds coups for the slam their coups Mahathir zero six last night. He's a catch shoot guy and a guy that can create off the dribble by himself. Second quarter game tied at twenty nine. Little sweep has guy. We saw that. Isn't that that passes sweet to contain the pope to the leeann watch him get hit though again with runways just really funny? When Jill this anything. Anything continue to have it going. We go to the third quarter Lakers lead fifty seven to fifty driving gets the bucket and one Lakers up by nine and then later L A up by eleven ball gets into kouzmine drills the three right? There about kick as he keeps the game. Very simple, the balls right there in the pocket, very efficient. That's how you need him to play all the time Lakers up by fourteen still in the third up by eleven Brandon Ingram finding hitting the three right there. He continued to do it. He wouldn't even play in the fourth but had a career high forty one points Lakers. One thirteen to one hundred and Kusa played like a man possessed yesterday, outscoring the pistons thirteen to nine in transition all by himself through three quarters twelve of his sixteen field goals were contested his most in any game. This season must have something to do with that death lineup comet for the game. Anyway, tip off your weekend. With our next NBA Friday double header on ESPN at seven thirty eastern. It's pacers. Knicks then we'll take you to Salt Lake City for the Lakers and the jazz wherein offer. Coverage begins with NBA countdown at seven on ESPN and the ESPN app. Okay. We had a little sneaky, hembo, time before the break. And let's get the answers. You're Oklahoma lists Tyler Murray at five foot ten with raises. The question who the only quarterback five tenor shorter to win an NFL game since the merger any guesses. Doda flutie's. What do you think day? I'm not going to obvious. Eighty eight games at five foot ten would champions. You've been listening. He he just didn't even need to listen. Okay. So now the reason why we're talking about Marie is because big news happened yesterday. The Francisco Chronicle reporting that Heisman Trophy winner. Kyle Marie expected to declare for the NFL draft into clearing would not guarantee Murray would choose football in the Oakland A's who drafted ninth overall in last year's draft would retain his pro rights, even if he tried the NFL I so let's just set this up a little bit because I think the money is important here. Guys, the question he made four point five million dollars for major league baseball. If he does go and play football have to pay back that signing bonus. So he does pay back some money, but just for perspective. Lamar Jackson the thirty second overall pick last year nine point four seven million dollars as his four year contract. That was at the thirty second pick. We think Tyler Murray could be picked higher than that. And baseball money is thought to be better than football money. But as a young quarterback, you can get rich really fast. It's going to take him time in baseball to get to the point where he would actually be making regular money in the major league. Thought to be better. It is better if guaranteed money, I get it. But I earn money is way better than being in the pocket and getting destroyed and then all of a sudden tearing your and not getting into Garo hold on j he's gonna go higher than Lamar Jackson and in four years if he is as good as he thinks his quarterback. And if he's as good as cliff Kingsbury and others think he is a quarterback his next contract. Maybe thirty five million dollars a year. Here's here's the only. Jay. Generally, speaking out agree with you. You're making the point take baseball over football every time and every position on the field. But one I agree with you. But at quarterback where they have all of these protections in place. Now your chances of getting injured while certainly not zero are much less that position than they ever were before. And at any other position on the field and the money is much greater and people talk about the baseball money. How good a prospect is he that's another point. It's not like he's going to be in the majors in two weeks. He was drafted off potential for baseball. And I think that's important to realize if he goes and plays baseball he'll be in spring training. They'll have him at major league spring. Training. And then you'll go to able in basically work his way up the minor leagues. I was told by one one scout that basically he was drafted off with potential ignore the first two years of his pro career, and you see here. These are some other guys who were drafted in the first round notable draft guys from college last year. There's Cuyler Murray with less than half at bats in college than most of those guys. He's just not at the level. It's going to take him reps is gonna take them awhile south. He'll be toiling away in the minor leagues. This is not an apples to apples computers in your Danny? What do you think? Johnny baseball football. I would play baseball. And the main reason is this playing quarterback in the NFL. You're so dependent on so many other variables you're depending on who's around you who's your coach the health of your team? How good your defense is that? That is a big thing that you're dependent on for success in really being paid in baseball. You can truly a lot of your own success. You know, what I'm saying, greedy? Like you can. Vigil sport. That's what I'm saying. Like we've seen good quarterbacks come in the NFL and fail or be unsuccessful because their team stunk or their offense of limestone or coach gets fired twice. I would go play baseball for the the variable of control my own destiny greater column or he gets to do whatever he wants. Of course, of course, column Murray when you listen to them never met him. But when you listen to them sounds like a guy that is dying tabu play football. Yeah. I agree. And it sounds like when he won the Heisman Trophy. So thing changed there, and it was reinforced in his mind that I want to go play football. And so you may wonder where he can make more money at quarterback. He can make the most money non-guaranteed how many quarterbacks do we know that have suffered career ending injuries. Alex Smith may have this year outside of that has there ever been a quarterback. Not even Joe seismic heated. Chase the come back with the Atlanta Falcons as more told me and he decided not to career ending injuries. Don't happen at the quarterback position. In the NFL. He's going to be a first round pick. He's gonna make more money off the bat made four million dollars in endorsements Tabet as a quarterback, and he's got the chance to make infinitely more quarterback. Now again, it is not about money. It's about what he wants to do. And if you listen to this young, man talk. He sounds like somebody who wants to play McGee lower the last word on that. Because you're the only one at the table who has spent a lot of time around him unless Dan, you know, him at all do you get a sense in his heart? He wants to be a football player. I do I think he likes baseball. I think he loves photos, and at the end of the day the thing that we're talking about here is going to the bright lights of the NFL immediately and playing for some team maybe immediately in major league baseball. He wouldn't be a major league baseball guy until maybe three seasons maybe even longer than that. It will take time to develop him for many levels. Not only just the hitting the hit tolls there. He is a potential five till guy. But it's going to take time he'll be toiling away in the minor leagues. Not very doesn't draw. A decision. He's a star in the NFL from day one. He's a minor league. Baseball team for years to come goes without saying, it's his choice. They should follow his heart. You could follow it a wants to do. But a fascinating conversation in what is better than making decisions for other people. Philip rivers has never beaten Tom Brady and the patriots never will. This finally be the year. The bolts beat the goop find out next on get up. Indeed knows it's hard to find qualified candidates when you're hiring. It's like finding a unicorn, but when you post your job on indeed, it's easy to find people with the skills, you need nurse practitioner for plus years experience acute care certification. Indeed has a huge pool of amazing candidates. And screener tools that help you find your most qualified applicants oh. An entire shortlist of unicorns. Now could a fifty dollars credit to give your first job. Posting premium placement at indeed dot com slash credit. Terms, conditions, quality standards and usage limits apply. Additional terms online. Our women's who Thursday night, showcase as number one Notre Dame hosting number two Louisville at the Joyce center last year, the cardinals blew out the Irish in south bend. So this payback on the line seventy to ninety SPN and the ESPN app. So you can watch from anywhere. All right patriots. Charges will meet Sunday afternoon with a win. The patriots would make the AFC title game for the eighth straight year extending their NFL record for the longest streak and Tom Brady has just completely dominated Philip rivers career head to head winning all seven meetings. Rivers versus Brady is also the oldest starting quarterback match up in postseason history. But during this regular season rivers beat Brady and most typical categories Brady at is highest interception. Rates since twenty eleven is Lois. Touchdown right. Since two thousand thirteen rivers asked yesterday about this opposing demise of Radi. This year. You asking wrong guy about that? He's one of the greatest if not the greatest to play what he's done at this level and at the highest level for shoot. I don't wanna short him eighteen nineteen twenty seasons. Wherever he is. Right. There has been has been remarkable with all the different anything about all the different teammates have come in and out of that building. And that he's still played at the highest level. And and help lead that team to you know, bunch of championships and a ton of these games. So. We know that this is when he and this team have always been at their best. Chargers and patriots did not play in the regular season that spells doom for LA and the Tom Brady era. The patriots are fifteen and one in the playoffs against teams. They did not face and the regular year. They're only loss of that kind came last year to the eagles in the Super Bowl. So brilliant match up in so many ways look there, isn't you can't find a bad game on the schedule this weekend. Patriots. I think there's a feeling that they were extraordinarily vulnerable right now. Do you believe that to be true? Absolutely. We've talked in great detail of this is not the patriots team of the past. It's almost like chasing ghosts of the past. When I look at this game green. It's gonna come down to the chargers defense, though, we understand like Brady's gonna get theirs on offense. Right. They're going to do some things. But when you look at the chargers defense, they have to excel in this game to give him the best chance because they did play last year and the charges defense that job of it last year, they gotta tackle. Well in space. We know that New England's probably going to empty out their offense of formation. They're going to get five wide receivers. And you. Tackle and space. Brady's gonna take a ton of check downs. And so when you're looking at the chargers Brady lecture through like fifty times against them sixteen completions to two running backs. And so you'd watching the chargers defense is a good physical group. But can they tackle in space? They're gonna give up completions to Brady Kindy tackling space. And then it's going to come down to red zone defense. I mentioned it Brady's gonna get hit. They're going to go twenty two twenty and be efficient. But the biggest thing is can you make them kick field goals that gives you your absolute greatest chance. I go back to the playoff game that New England played against Jacksonville last year. New England won that game because of red zone scoring LA needs to be great in the red zone. Similar defensive styles. Jacksonville. They've got to be great in the red zone against Brady. And they won it with Reginald scoring and Danny amendola is not there anymore and Brandin cooks is not there anymore. And Josh Gordon has been suspended indefinitely. And this is a patriots team that I think has morphed in transformed its offense over the course this season to where it's now. Now in danger. We're seeing all these great passing stats and they have the greatest quarterback who's ever played the game. They're running team there running football team. That's changed its offensive personality and its identity, and they have looked more vulnerable. And you don't know how a Bill Belichick coach team is going to respond in the postseason to where the patriots typically have gotten better and better and bidders this season has gone on. And this team has been on even and you wonder how it's gonna respond when the lights come on, son. And I'm with you shifty that there are run team. And really their past game is best this year when it's a play action offense. But the great thing about the patriots. Is there chameleons and they're going to watch the chargers defense and go where's the greatest chance for us to play well on offense? And I believe that Josh mcdaniels go we gotta spread 'em out in deacon Duncan. That's where we're going to be your best because if you're going to try and run the ball out of that personnel, grouping whatever you want to get into New England. Twenty two personnel to big tight ends in two backs and try to run the ball against the chargers day, ever, very stout run defense, and so. That's the great thing about New England. That's the narrative is like how do they do they change or do they go with they've been all year? I think the one thing about the chargers they're not afraid to play on the road. They've had a chip on their shoulder. All your bitter there. There's more noise more energy than what was known as the stubhub center. They have won all nine of their games not played in Los Angeles. So far this year they relish the road. If that continues, we're going to go through all the quarterbacks with you in just a minute here. Dan is going to give you his confidence rankings. But I I want to show you an unbelievable finish and an unbelievable performance from college basketball last night. It's Marquette in Creighton, Creighton has got a three point lead. They're inbounding the ball under the basket with point eight seconds to go. They should just win the game. We'll get the ball inbounds. But they don't they throw it away. No time comes off the clock. So Marquette goes down the other way, they're gonna get a last shot under their own basket. They get it in Sam Houser gets it off about its quickly as it can no not sit down the going to review this. And this is extraordinarily close. Jay role said he thought that perhaps they should have waived this off if so close to referees decide to let it remain as cold on the floor. Which means the basket counts means we're going to overtime. On the celebration for Hauser is on. And then was teammate. Mark this hour just takes over thirty nine points in regulation, and he would keep this going in the overtime look at how it breaking ankles getting into the paint at area Marquette up to he's got forty one points later. Same score drills the three forty four points for Howard. All this in a close game. Just over three minutes to go. Marquette is up three Howard again. That's forty seven. Under three minutes to go Marquette's lead is three points once more Howard stepping back. Now, he's got fifty and Marquette is up six and just over thirty seconds ago. He's on the free throw line look into ice the game and looking to set a new big east record, which he does fifty three points most ever scored by a player in the big east and Marquette wins it one zero six to one zero four Howard was a one man wrecking crew on Wednesday night. He scored created sixty eight points in the game scoring fifty three assisting on fifteen more accounting for sixty four percent of Marquette's offense. And he had a game last year where he scored fifty two. Now, he scores Fifty-three. Let's bring college game days Jay Bilas into the conversation. He joins us every Thursday morning here on get up. And we appreciate it. Jay. We know that Marcus Howard is a great player, but how in the world go back to that final sequence there. And the way Creighton loses this game with the opportunity at the end of regulation. Well, I Marcus Howard is a video game that kid is absolutely ridiculous. And he's only nineteen years old and junior. But the only way when you're up three with point eight seconds without a bounce the ball out of bounds underneath essentially, your opponents basket. The only way that you can lose is. If you get a five second call in your opponent gets the ball back under its basket or if you throw long and the ball goes out of bounds and your opponent gets it back. All you have to do is as crazy as it. Sounds inbound the ball inside the three point line if your opponent scores to you win game over deflection clock runs out game over but Creighton through long ball went out of bounds and Marquette got the ball back. Sam Houser makes that shot. You're right. It was incredibly close. Look, it's still one in a million. But anytime you throw long you bring the ball going out of bounds. And then being inbounded the exact same spot. You had it with no time going off the clock. That was a it was a mistake by Creighton. They should've just pitched it right underneath the basket who. Cares. If Marquette scored to the game would have been over. That's actually an excellent point that I hadn't thought until this moment. So that's I'm very glad that we brought that up. All right now, let's go to Duke and Zion. Williamson who two nights ago had in most people's estimation. His best all around game in a collegiate. And we had our NBA draft analyst on yesterday saying he's the clear cut number one pick in June. Let me ask you. As far as recent prospects. Where does he rank is he the best prospect that we've seen in years? I wouldn't go that far. I I wouldn't put him over Anthony Davis or guys like that. We've had some amazing prospects that have come through in the last several years but in this year's draft. And look I mean, he would probably be the devil picking a number of drafts. I but in this year's draft. It's a it's a really weak draft. I I'm not sure though, greenie I would put him head and shoulders above RJ Barrett. Say it's over like RJ Barrett has the chance to be a great pro at a multiyear all star going forward. I like him a little bit too. James harden? And the way he plays in these guys are both really young. But we don't see guys like Zion leaps. And in fact, we've never seen anyone like him on a basketball floor. And I think he's actually going to continue to get better. He's he's going to be a great defender. He's really good now. And I think he's going to be a consistent shooter from the perimeter. Not not he's not going to be a great shooter. But I think he's going to be a guy that you have to go out and get and right now, you don't have to do that he made three or four against Wake Forest from three. But they were. Stills and they were daring him to shoot. I think you're going to have to go out and guard him in the future after he works on that Barrett Zion for those who don't know. Of course, our teammates at Duke. And so they get all of the attention. But right now Jay is Duke even the best team in its own conference. I think they are because of their defense, and I'll tell you, I know sign Williamson and RJ Barrett or the best players on the team. But the most valuable players trae Jones that kids the best defender in the country. It's ridiculous. How good he is defensively. But I'm not sure that they're that far ahead of Virginia. Like Virginia has one. I think it's twenty two of their last twenty three games going back to last season last season. They only lost three games including that basing loss. They had in the one sixteen games, you MBC, but Virginia's got really good guards. They've got Kyle die who is is a circuit shot maker from the perimeter tied Jerome who. I think will play in the NBA. You may not be the best athletes that dude knows how to play. And then they've also got a great athlete down dre hunter and a transfer from Alabama and Braxton cues really starting to come on Virginia's undefeated, they're fourteen. No. And I think they are going to be a very tough out there. The biggest threat to Duke winning an SEC champion Jay Bilas every Thursday with us here on get up. A pleasure as always thank you. Jay. We'll. See next week. Enjoy the weekend. All right. We'll take a short break here. We're coming back and talk and quarterbacks Baker Mayfield as you got the perfect fit now with Freddie kitchens as new coach that and more get up continues on ESPN. We're back on get up in the Browns of found their head coach, and they didn't have to go very far we've learned named FREDDY kitchens their new head coach he's at a meteoric rise of the physician this time last year. He was hired as the Browns running backs coach and was promoted to offense coordinator in November. After todd. Haley was fired. Now is the head coach look how that happens the Browns offense under Freddie kitchen. Does poured Nader was historic. We good. They ever six point nine yards per play after week eight most in the NFL the two thousand rands of the only team since the merger to average more over eight full seasons. So Dan, you love this higher for the Browns. Give us a reason on the touchscreen. Why he brings so much the table kitchens? Well, great deals he gave their offense an identity and one of the things you can do for young quarterback. That helps them is give them protection and let them take shots. So I I'm going to draw this we're going to get into thirteen personnel. We've talked about that. What does that mean? Well, it's one back. Okay. And then the next thing is three tight ends. We're gonna go one. Two three tight ends. What does that do you kind of give to the defence? You've got to be simplified as defense. And then you really bring in going to run the ball or going to throw the ball. And as I draw the routes for Cleveland. This is going to be a shot that they take we call this double post. They're going to take Perriman on a post in Joe coup on a post we see the shadow right there. Right. That's the free safety in the middle field against simplifying the defense. You just read him as a quarterback if he takes joke who I'm going to launch the ball if he plays high. I can throw to Joko you'll see it for Baker Mayfield as we play it that he's gonna make an easy read. But the next great thing is understanding I talked about protecting them. How do you do at one two three four five six seven eight guys in protection that's talking about keeping your quarterback clean letting them launch the ball downfield. And then I can go be accurate. They did this tunnel or so we get to another thirteen personnel. Remember one back three tight ends. And as I've played it. It's going to be another example of. How do I protect them? I'm going to go one two three four five six seven eight guys in protection. And then you've also simplified the read for him you given him one guy to read we've got enjoy gouzer playmaking tight end. And you give him Baker Mayfield re Thomas Davis if he takes Joe cou you could dump it off if not take your shots in jokey clean pocket. What is Baker Mayfield do better than anybody? Or is good as anybody ball placement. I will circle that because you can't you can't hide accuracy in the NFL. That's what. Freddie kitchens did for this offense as good as anybody did for their quarterback in the NFL. And j will after the show I will give you a touchscreen breakdown. One on one. We were talking about that for social media of tune in for that a little bit later on. And obviously we're talking about maker Baker Mayfield the guy had Oklahoma who won the Heisman Trophy at the quarterback position. After him is one Kyle Murray. Big news on him yesterday. The emphasis goo chronicle reporting last night that Tyler Murray is expected to declare the NFL, drip. Now, the clearing would not guarantee Murray would choose football in the Oakland A's who drafted him ninth overall in last year's draft. He would retain his pro right? Even if each ride the NFL, I this is fascinating. Because when you think about. All right, everybody. Let's them. Greenie back in. When you think about what's going on here and the decisions that he may make everyone thinks still out there is thinking, or at least a few people that will still play baseball because there's guaranteed money, greedy. But actually what we have discovered. And if you look at the numbers, he could make a lot more money playing football, especially if he's drafted as you think maybe as high as number one overall he's in play for number one in my eyes. And I don't think it's if you ask me today, I think there's more of a likelihood that he goes one Zona they do something goes in the not you hear Chris Kingsbury talked about him. How many people do we describe in our lives? I think the world of them. I think of like, my wife and my kids, that's it the most important people. And so when clicked Kingsbury says that about him, and again, I look back at the fit and everyone goes out how do these quarterbacks that come from these spread systems? Listen, you can't you can't fabricate or replicate. The ability to throw it like you can watch Colin Murray. Just flat out spin it. The accuracy the arm talent debility get out of his hands. The kid is incredibly talented, and we see it in the NFL. You could be just okay quarterback make twenty million dollars a year to two ball in baseball to get there. And basically you've got to be incredibly special. There's more reality tapping it than not. And here's the thing. He loves football. We're talking about a guy who is probably the greatest player to ever come out of the state of Texas from a high school standpoint drew Brees played high school football. They're Andrew lucked played high school football there. Nick foles put nobody has ever produced at the high school level more than Kyle Murray. This year was his test drive to see if he could succeed in football. He won the Heisman Trophy. He impressed. NFL scouts. He looks like a number one pick. He loves football. He wants to be a football player. I tell you what if the Zona cardinals really decide they want him. And they went one and done on their head coach now that has had to go one and done on Josh Rosen whom to everyone's point is not who cliff Kingsbury drafted. He was not there when they. Made the decision to go there. You're telling us I only have ten seconds for this that they would be a huge trade market for Josh Rosen. I would absolutely be a trade market quarterbacks currency if the cardinals decided to do that. Yes. They'd have about that. You wanna talk about the most fascinating thing that could happen in NFL between now and the NFL draft. I'd put that at the top of the list. Muhoza? Speaking look, easy, take that. Right. Old. Okay. So we obviously have eight quarterbacks starting quarterbacks getting set to play this weekend. And it's not the question that we're going to ask you to answer. Now, we'll do a fundamentalist here of your top five is not who are the best five quarterbacks playing this weekend. But when you take everything into account their level of experience, the defense, they're facing and everything else which five do you have the most confidence in playing well this weekend, Dan, go Michiko over well heart and so at number five to some people's surprise. I'm gonna put my favorite one of my favorites. Patrick Hynes, listen he's had an incredible season MVP caliber season. Some of the throws. We've watched this kid making the arm angles and the body contortion whatnot had been spectacular. I'm not saying that he's I've come on this show. Many a times greenie in raved about his plate that being said, I don't know if you can swim until I throw you in the water in the playoffs. Have drowned. A lot of great quarterbacks in their time. So I've got to see it from him under these circumstances for him to get past anybody else ahead of them because a great safe or the quarterbacks you'd rather have on your team this weekend than Patrick Mahomes when they're playing based on the matchup look at the match up look at the defense. He's facing versus the defense. Others are facing. That's a huge part of the equation whose sure number four is the guy that greeny just put in the same conversation with Texas high school football, great drew Brees, make money, Nick foles. I talked about the billboards going up in the Philadelphia turnpike, the villi turnpike PA turnpike this guy we talked about it on Monday or Tuesday greenie in these moments. We don't have any proof that he does not succeed. We always seen from Nick foles last year's drive against the patriots. No way. It can happen goes down wins the game this past weekend. Drive against the great defensive the Chicago Bears. A historically great one goes down the field in scores again. So these moments are not going to be too big for him. He's completely comfortable in this situation. Let me just give this a little bit of a reset right now. So we've got three quarterbacks left for Dan in terms of his confidence rankings. We have left drew Brees Tom Brady Jared Goff, and I got Andrew luck. So there's going gonna be a couple of quarterbacks you left out. Exactly. Right. My lot thinking my third guys gonna drew Brees. Drew Brees has had an absolutely incredible season. He's been to the playoffs. Many a times the greatest strength of his accuracy and everything in the playoffs gets magnified guys. And you know, this and we see his ability to throw crossing roads to Mike, Tom. This throw the Mike Thomas against the Bengals is absolutely obnoxious. It's the only place that ball could be made the accuracy that's on display consistency consistently. He's at home. We know what drew Brees does at home in the playoffs. He's never lost. You've got to feel great about him in this situation this weekend against the Philly defense. All right. I'm trying to read the silhouette who's too. Two is going to be Tom Brady. And that's going to surprise people in like, I said should it. Go over. Well, Tom Brady's got two seasons. He's got the regular season. And then he's got goat season. The reason we consider him to be the goat is what he's done in the playoffs. And I know he hasn't had the year that maybe he's done in his past. And the struggles of protection some drops. He's been inaccurate at times what's going on with them. I've even said that that being said this guy is the greatest all time in these in this situation. He preps is like a great golfer, greedy. Right. Tiger Woods prepped for four events or the the the majors Tom Brady preps for the playoffs which leaves only one on the list radio is going up against the chargers. I'm trying trying to read the silhouette ahead. Who do you have a number one man himself from the Shire Lord of the rings, Andrew luck? He is gone total undertaker style and come back from the dead in. When you watch I've talked about it many times week by week. Andrew luck has reminded everybody in the country. I'm one of the great quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm one of seven guys have forty touchdown passes in the season. We're talking about a guy that's got a weapon and T Y Hilton downfield. We've mentioned his offense of line repetitive. This year. You've you've got a quarterback that's going to go into aero- Ed playing the thirty first ranked defense in the NFL with that offensive line that could shut down. The only thing that she'd do good on defense is Russia passer. I'm Angela fan. And he is my number one guy confidence wise, so no rivers. No goff. No prescott. The only game. And you've got more coverage than look than packed moves. So you're telling me that the colts you to win that game in Kansas City. Absolutely. Wow. If you look at the defense is they'll be facing and makes all the sense in the world Mahomes is going against the indeed defense and luck is going against one of the worst defenses. People got how great this guy. Remember, this was John Elway and has pointed out the culture one is many postseason games in Arrowhead as the chief chef in history, historically and the one hundred twenty five years. There's nothing wrong with this list. I like every thing I say, don't miss six o'clock eastern time. We'll get to that. We're going to get the Philip rivers as well. Rivers not on this list. But is this his last best shot to finally get some jewellery? We'll find out nets. Op is brought to you by Nissan innovation that excites. We go get up with us tomorrow on ESPN after upsetting the bears kid Nick foles magic carpet. Carry the eagles against another NFC favorite will Andrew lucked hand. Kansas City another early exit and having faith both the Cowboys an Rams twice this year. The Seahawks brothers Shaquille takim Griffin. We'll tell us who's headed for the NFC championship. When you get up with us Friday morning here on ESPN. Now, we just did Dan's quarterback confidence rankings and taken out of context. Those are going to make people very aggravated. But this is something we used to do on Mike and Mike all the time. It is not about who's the best quarterback. It is taking everything into account taking the circumstances. Taking the defense's they'll be facing taking experience and more into account who are you the most confident will play well this weekend, and we just saw Dan's list, and we can debate it until the end of time. But if you look at the three starting quarterbacks who didn't make the list that Prescott Jared Goff. They're both kids. They're young. We'll see where their careers go. The third one is Philip rivers. He's thirty seven years old. He's. Played basically as entire career in the shadows of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in his conference, Ben Rothlisberger. And Eli manning who are in his same draft class. He's got Patrick Mahomes steaming up from behind him right now in his own division. Does this feel to you shefty like Philip rivers last best chains to finally went arriving? David good, young nucleus. And I think they could get back. But how many times have you seen the chargers in the divisional playoffs? It doesn't happen. Very often. There's no reason they couldn't get back there next year or the year after but you have to operate from this point on as if this would be his best last chance to get to where he wants to go to finish fish career with the same Super Bowl titles that the quarterbacks from his draft class. Ben Rothlisberger in Eli manning, Dan. Yeah. I mean, I love Philip rivers part of it is because you look back at last year's game against New England. Okay. We know that Bill Belichick is going to go. What do you do? Best Philip rivers. I'm going to take that away. If you take Keenan Allen, Mike Williams Benjamin and tyrel Williams top for receivers that played in the game. I'm last year that are going to play in this game this weekend that seven catches so much tied to like those guys gotta step up their production and rise up understanding that Bella check is going to take that away. Bella check is gonna make it hard on the chargers offense. I love Phil burgers, I expect him to play. Well, but I don't I don't see him in a favorable matchup better than those five guys. We know about hunter Henry is your play this week Melvin Gordon's going to play this week. So the charter saturated firepower, but it's a second straight east coast trip west east early game just want to ask you, what do you think it is logically that doesn't allow rivers to get over that hump? I just I mean part of it is a team that's been around him and hit him having a lot of pressure on him. And then part of it is he's been matched up against greedy. Mentioned it some of the greats of all time, the psychological thing is like, you know, Jay till you get to that moment, and concord that moment and rise up and actually do it. You can tell yourself all you want. And till you actually, do here's what he is. Right now. He's Charles Barkley. He's Patrick Ewing. He's one of these guys who play who were great and played their whole careers unfortunate. For them at the same time as these historically great players and their case, Michael Jordan and his Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. I'll be rooting for him. Let's see we got over the hump guys. Everyone gets the have you. We will see it back in better than ever tomorrow. I take starts now.

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Coach Ks Next Step Forward, RIP The Barn Magic, and Hottest Teams in the ACC with Mike Rutherford

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Coach Ks Next Step Forward, RIP The Barn Magic, and Hottest Teams in the ACC with Mike Rutherford

"Today's absorb heat coach k. Versus what your major. Watch your major. What your heart is class tape for. The second year in a row coach kane is turned on the students of duke. The cameron crazies. This time i guess it. Has he ever loved them. That's what people were asking. I've already mentioned that. All the talking of of how he handled the ever love them. Nobody brought up the fact that last year he was yelling at them for chanting. For jeff capable people forget people. Forget that was now we have to your hardboard. Cutouts We going to talk about coach k. Versus his world potty versus the arts. And if you have no idea what we're talking about Will explain that's on the show. Also we have the poor outtake We we we lost a a mythical figure on the show known as williams arena aka. The barn mark turgeon went into minneapolis. And just use a real trick about it. I'll just say yeah like a real like we had a good thing going the barn magic. Minnesota was unstoppable in the barn. Them the best team in the country. And it's all gone. So i hope you're happy mark. Yeah and what does that. Give us though in undefeated updates so today is no longer undefeated. Zogaj also mike rutherford join us. He has if you don't know mike. You got to get to know mike. He he's all. he's our favorite. I don't say this about everybody that comes on the show so this is not paying. This is not the god's honest truth he he might be. My favorite is definitely not listening. He might be my fee as best forty two. Am i fast forward. So here's he might be my favorite guy college basketball media generally. He's just he's hilarious. I read everything he writes. A i listen to his podcast. You never has me on. But i think he's the best so He's a louisville guy coach k. Had his press conference after losing to louisville so we we had him on for that. Talk a little acc. We don't need a reason at mike on. We don't need a reason but we had once we had a month. So there's all that coming up. But first what he durham foul. All right tastes excited to talk about. Coach gave for obvious reasons before. Before i let free out of his cage occasion to animal earning to coach case situation. We i i wanna shout out the The fox i wanna be a company. Man shot fox our production staff. There are forty three people that are watching us. Do the show right now where you said. This is our second week at our new set is awesome. I love it here. I love the the look of the thing. I love the i love everything about it and i just wanted to point out that we are putting these shows on youtube. Yeah and you can watch the whole thing on youtube if you'd like to do that if you wanna see what. Awesome jordan's teach wearing for example. Do that on youtube. Or if you want to see. If i have the balls to put my hand man man bun maybe i will one of these shows. Maybe you're more of a person that wants to. If if you're listening to the podcast wonder what these dishes like. You can find us. You could see for yourself art. Let's do it. Let's talk coach k. I'm just going to hand it over to you. like what. Tell tell the people. What should i tell the people what happened. So then you can chime in. Maybe i'll start with the headline. And then i'll pass it back in. You saw start with the headline. This is my favorite headline. That i saw it. I think it sums up what happened You know in one sentence right. Sore loser coach k. Belittle student journalists in post game press conference. That is the headline. That i think sums up. What happens at clay travis. Basically okay. I think it was new york post. I saw it. it know. We all have google google coach k. Go to news. And i want to see you the top stories and i go through the headlines and i do and that was the one that i think. Really summed up. What happened in a nutshell. But then i'll pass it back to you and you take it from. What was the ride like. Not so what happened was coach k.'s. During these zoom press conferences. They lose louisville. Duke has now fallen to five and five. Their best win on the season is notre dame who is Four and nine point four eight lack of not good iota. Names not good and That's dukes best one of the year right now. They are very much. They're not on the bubble. They're not even close to the bubble. They are very much out of the tournament started today and who knows that the way the seasons go on it might start today honestly. I might be how it works. Duke is very much time to tournament. So coach a obviously. He's very frustrated. We have the the other context of after gets his ass handed to him by the second big ten teams and they played Illinois beats beats. Duke in cameron door stadium k. Of course said maybe we should reassess. Maybe we shouldn't have season and and we had that whole fall out like i don't know like some people i don't know is wrong. And it's like no. He's not wrong but he also knows what he's doing and then and then k. Just kinda stirred. The pot stepped away and said that was hilarious. That i just mocked it up. So we have that Backstory that context. Duke is in this game tape. The louisville is as mike. We'll tell us later. Lugos a very good team that might be an elite eight might be who knows where they are liberals are good team the rank now and do this was going to be their big win. This is going to be there crown jewel and they're on their ncaa tournament resume. They let the game slip through their fingers coach k.'s. Obviously frustrated is in a post game press conference in one of the students a a student reporter at duke. Basically ask him. And i'm paraphrasing How do you move forward. That was basically the question whether he said in. Those words are not coach. Coaching for seven hundred years. He's been asked this question ten million times like all you all you have to do is play the hits save. We're gonna watch tape. We're going to get better. You could say that to literally any side. You could literally say that any question. You're asking a post game. Yes in sports in sport. Any question if you don't if you feel. I thing you should say you know what that's a really thoughtful question and then that person right now. It's like wow. That was a really tough question. Instead he takes to watch taste or we're going to get. We're gonna watch get better even if you win. And they're like feel great. What are your thoughts on. How great you look one game. We're going to get better. That's literally all you have to say. He chose instead to lecture. The kid he said coach kaye fashion. In what can only be coach fashion. Satay say the words yeah. What's your major. What's your major. What's your heart is class. And so he jumps into it in. This is what the kid said jake. Piazza is his name and he is a a student at do if you're a screenplay where there's a confrontation between coach k. And a soon reporter student reports navy jake. I don't know if he's related to mike piazza. But i'm gonna assume he is and he goes up like a like a big league slugger. He looks at coach k. Dead in the face. And i think he wrote a story after this and coach k. Called him coach k. Apologized the kid jake. Piazza basically says you know. He was very sincere about it. I believe coach when he called me. But the funniest thing to me mark titus of upon all this just knowing the background the journalism stuff. Whenever you're young kid and you're in these rooms were like i was with roy williams back in the day there is a level of like. I don't even wanna ask anything. Because like i don't know disrupt order but you're also a student in journalism and you have professors who were like. That is literally the opposite of what. I've tried to see right now. Jake asked a question. And i've been there before i remember the first question i asked roy williams. He looked at me like you know in my mind. He looked at me like at eight is and who is this. Kid is your message. You have a message for the haters or your my question. This is during the weinstein report era. So we're talking about like scandals like asking legitimate questions about like. Did you hear from the into aa this week. And it's like. Who's this kid goes. Did you do it. So i understand that. Feeling j. piazza's never asked a question. And he says hi coach which is like. That's very sweet high coach. I'm curious what the next step forward here is for the team as you move into another week of basketball that was the question again is basically like how do you you guys saw. It was so generic in such a layup of a question. He said week of basketball which coach k. Could say you know jake. That's a really thoughtful question you know we're gonna watch the tape better. That's all you had to say. But we all know the i remember the atlantic wrote a story. When i was in college it was like twenty my freshman college and was like why does everyone. Hey coach k. Why everybody hates coach gay and they go through all the reasons and it's like you know they tell the story of you know. Basically elton brand was saying that the students oh came as. We're all very uppity to him and he didn't wanna hang out with these yuppies on campus and that's why he wanted to leave due coach k. Was like they're better than you know. That's the kind of guy we're dealing with where he has these types of stories and he has this aura about him. But i remember in two thousand five coach k. Did this american express commercial. And i and i think you know if you're at home go look it up two thousand five billion express commercial and it's coach pitch to the new era of what we all know coach k. As its forget what we have seen before. Forget that he's an asshole. Forget all this stuff that he's done in the past now he's a leader of men and You know he does his whole commercial. He's not just the basketball coach. You know it's about being a leader about being there for people anyway fast. Forward ten eleven years later. Dillon brooks right. Remember this dillon. Brooks moments at dillon brooks hits the game winner against duke and as both anyone would when they do that twenty sixteen. They celebrate in coach k. Walks over to him in the moment. We all at home say. He's definitely reprimanding him. Coach gay goes to the press conference. He's asked about that reprimand. He says i did not prevent anyone and he went. No did not do that. Dillon brooks also microphone. Says yeah and then coach kaye. What did you say. You're too good of a player for that or for that. Yeah i think that was great. I saw this video. And i saw the clip and i saw the uproar and i saw the outrageous. I understood it titus. I did i really did understand it but it was one of those moments in my life where i think. I am almost so desensitized coach k. Actually is like scott. Drew said this about coach k. To my parents one time in two thousand ten after he lost to him and there at dinner and scott drew said coach kaye can turn it on and off like no one. I've ever seen in my life stars like calling someone the f word and then you know being like john right like in when you're that type of personality and you can turn it on and off. Sometimes you're in between your limbo asked something that flip the switch like this kid asking that question. He thought he was being a smart asked. But it turns out. He's so green. He was asking green question but in his mind. This is a smart duke student. Who's a yuppie who is like trying to basically trying to make me try to get me trying to make me look stupid. And so he slipped. He broke character. And i think we all saw this little sliver of like the full version of k we get we get the front four ford facing version all the time and i enjoyed it because it was such a innocuous moment like in my opinion it is in a vacuum that big of a deal. He told he he didn't like yell at the kid wasn't like that harsh but it was Maybe you could argue that. He did knows going to be this big thing and he was just kinda like trying to use analogy. That the cuban understand. whatever. I don't know what's worse that always going gonna say. I don't like i the idea that that we've taken this in blown it into this big thing just because it's coach k. Is definitely true but k. Not knowing that he's been in the game for salt i i. I made the same point when he did the thing. After the annoyed the comments after oregon. He has to know what he's doing and if he doesn't that might be worse. That's what i mean like. It might actually be worse. That coach k. Really had no idea that him saying this of the reporter to this student reporter was going to become a quote unquote story. If he really didn't know if he's looking at his wife like i can't they took round it took. Did you been doing this for forty years every time you open your mouth. People are listening you. You are the face of the for better or worse. Probably the biggest brand in college basketball certainly on social media's duplex reminders. You are the guy you are the guy college basketball every time you open your mouth people listening and there's the i don't know i don't i don't know what's worse you're you're caught off guard by this one is worse. What is worse than with always been worse for every north carolina. Person is because coach k. Like i said in two thousand five coach gay co op to dean smith's entire existence right so we had to sit and watch someone that we know is an asshole. Try to act like. He's the moral authority like deans visitors. Kind of got. It loses a game and goes and beats the team into the locker room to congratulate the other team. Yeah and coach k. Is the kind of coach that will lose that team. Go throw a chair in his locker and then go into the locker room and say you guys were great. You had a great game. And i'm really pulling for you guys you know and we've always wanted to see the moment in between those two moments right and that is what that was the real takeaway from this is that coach k. likened A road game at louisville and unrig team In twenty twenty one when he has won five national titles everything there is to win a million times over he likened that to the hardest e contest that this kid was taken at this kid has ever taken so he's basically saying that this was the hardest game i've ever coached in wrestling progressive congressional level. And i think like in coach k.'s. Mind i think he is living in the old college basketball world of thinking which is like a program is that team forever so when he loses in twenty one to he's nineteen eighty-six coach gay. Yeah and he's like. I'm still not that good. I still watching jay bilas crossville. Ob somehow like houses. Yeah that's enough it's enough it's look. Look do not cancel k. Because of this. I i need cakes. Ninety great. so don't cancel membranous. Let's talk about good guys and bad guys. We got out of the way. It is tuesday togadia on tuesdays guys in bags. Who's your could gather leap coach k. No i'm kidding. All right good guy. The week the barn. I think this is probably the barn. Is we fell in love with the barn and minnesota. Of course what. I'm talking about. Mark he takes team there they have For the fourth straight season beating the golden gophers You and i did not know that marked her own minnesota Going into this game. We thought that the barn was going to be able to offset this kind of ownership and at the end of the day the barn was not able to deliver and then after the game. Darrell morsel from maryland. This a great quote. I had to say said we all dogs man a-team full of dogs and we built for this we love coming into other arenas and just leaving our mark. They have three top on the route. Wrong so maryland. Watch out premiered weird. Yeah they're not good home at their great on their own. Nine and seven. I think and they have wins at at minnesota. Now which is the winner. Minnesota's we said is like i did beacons wisconsin's number five and number six. When they beat them there. I mean yeah. I mean these are. These are beating minnesota at the barn. Might be the most impressive win in the country fourth yvonne stare charging bar memory is last season when He complained right after right after. Basically clinching the big ten title. I don't think they actually clinched. Blake the head to win. Two of the final maryland at maryland had a big lead like they head to win the final seven games. Four in a row or something. That's not true. But that's what it felt like. And then they fight. They went in the barn in mark. Turgeon basically clinched. At least a share gets a camera in his face. He's asked mark. You did it. You move from the acc to the big. The big ten is not accepted. You everyone as you hear. They they feel like you don't belong they want to send your ass back. Acc now at long last you earn your seat at the at the adult table. How do you feel and he said. I can't believe we're playing. These games on weeknights travel ridiculous games. I'm hoping i can get back in time to go to bed and reasonable hours when he said will stick with me forever when when he did that i was like man. This guy fits in perfectly big. He's petty is on so that was my memory in the now. It's this so we're like march. What are you doing dude. Down come down. He owns the barn. He's the only person that knows how to beat them in the barn. We don't understand it I brought this up to bring up the undefeated. I feel like we needed an update for the undefeated. Run through them for. The next game is thursday at san diego. We went through fifteen to know. Their next game is thursday at unc. Ashville we got baylor. Who's fourteen not kansas state on the twenty seven. Th we get drake thirteen. Yeah drake spins. They've had some games get canceled. They're just kind of waiting to see when they pull your say drake's not that undefeated. They're not that undefeated right now. But it's not their fault. They have some other games get canceled but they play missouri state on the twenty six. They've had their last three games. Postponed than alabama am only played. Four games four games therefore now. So those love alabama and to be the last one day last one standing only play four games they maybe throw another one in just like start saying you guys. Don't play enough games. They throw one more game in finished five and now hang the banner. My pick is vanderbilt head coach. Jerry stackhouse stackhouse. Who is owen. Five in sec's four and seven overall. But in in light of not having a good neighbor picked last in this you see their their last. Sec very stalling. Desk really enough stalling. Never this bad at only better went to pitt but anyway vandy socks and yet jerry. Stackhouse is still finding a way to engage with the finance away to get out in the community The communities online. And what. I mean by that date is that he got into i first of all. We'll say this his postgame press coverage they lose at home. Arkansas twenty one. On saturday he has some candid. Comments will say and he he's. He's very long when he he did. Not say we're going to watch the tape and get better yeah. He didn't just say that he went in on. He was naming names on guys. That aren't working hard enough and say what was this quote. The stood out to me Got to find some guys at one to play basketball right now. We got some guys. That don't wanna play no damn basketball. That's what he said about him team so some people took that as like man this is. This is unnecessarily harsh. Jerry like your guys. Aren't that good to begin with why you're expecting more from them It's never good. Look to throw i. I think one of the players nate mentioned by name is a freshman and he kinda threw him under the bus and said he wasn't playing hard enough and all kinds of So then that spiraled into like people saw that press conference some vanderbilt fan. Post these alleged. Dm's that he had with jerry. Stackhouse were stackhouse. Basically just unsolicited dislike slid in his guys. Dmz watch your mouth. Don't talk shit your e e. Call him a fake fan gear. Whether that's real or not because like you know. Photoshop exists so like it was just some anonymous guy. That's like by the way this happened in november. He's been sitting on him for a few months. So that kind of became like a small story and the vanderbilt world. Meanwhile jeff goodman uses this opportunity to point out jerry. Stackhouse has apparently blocked like every college basketball member. Yeah and and obviously the college basketball media is not taking this well and they're like. How dare you sir blocked me. So he's getting it from all angles. Online presence is not not very very good right now and as it turns out the basketball team on the court. Also not very jerry. Stackhouse is one of the most terrifying people in basketball. And i say that with absolutely love. This man has eleven brothers and sisters. he's the youngest. He has seven brothers and they used to just beat him up according to him and he said i have never started a fight but i finished lots of them christian. Leitner brevin knight. Alan iverson. i mean jerry. Stackhouse has no problem woman. Somebody's ass especially if they don't like you said want to play basketball. And if i were on the vanderbilt team having known that and i'm not sure these kids do i would do some research. Do your google's type in jerry stackhouse. Will he beat my ass. Yes yes yes yes so do not play around with that that that whole ideology of j. stackhouse warning to push his players or like you wanna talk back to him. He's not playing around with that. Jerry stackhouse is a real one in that sense so i think he's trying to talk to his team without actually having to fight them. I don't like k's comments. And ultimately i don't have a problem with what he said. Yes kind of funny in whatever stackhouse same thank like i don't have a pro. I read every word that he said. This press conference. And i was like his he talks and he would say that to every one of them obviously already has senate to everyone of them. What i'm saying is he is jerry. Stackhouse is a fighter in the sense like he wants to rile these kids up. He wants them to say. Hey i don't want to lose every game. Ed vanderbilt this year and the sec to him. He's like i can never. I could never imagine that with my pride. There's no way that could be possible. And i'm not saying vanderbilt's going to figure it out because of this moment. But i think that's more of where he's coming from. He's also you don't what's happening. It's only the tip of the iceberg. Ever seen we. We haven't been following every practice. I don't know what other methods jerry stackhouse's tried to get through team that he's finally maybe at his wit's end and he's like i don't know what else to do than just lose my mind during this young like you know. Maybe he's tried everything everyone it's like. Oh this isn't the right way to do it. You're supposed to do with this way. I tried i bitch didn't work five. I've talked to them in private. I have tried to get the message across her parents. And they don't care unless the world knows that he should do what nato's doesn't talk about. Girls love coach girl. But the rear isn't jerry. Stackhouse is my good guy. The week is because he's blocking people on twitter and i just wanted to applaud him for that because The older i get the more time i spent on the internet. The more i am on team block. Everybody block literally. Everybody and i've been doing it a lot in my with my own personal twitter account and i think i just wanted to defend jerry stackhouse because i think there's this idea that people who blocked people online are soft. I would argue. It's the opposite. It's the people who get blocked off. Because they like go to a man. Did you see jerry. Stackhouse's tweet ensemble of blocked me. But he blocked me people like me. What what did i do like those. Are the soft people like twitter. If you treat twitter like it's i would use this analogy if twitter is supposed to be the town square. Whatever people are talking if you're walking into town square in somewhat like you're just kind of walk in having your ice cream cone and pop. Sounds like you suck dude and you had the power to or like jerry stackhouse about it and that's what that's what twitter block it is. He just get him out of here. All right moving on bagai the week. Because you're beg are the week for me is pretty simple And it's just because i'm in love with him and he is the. Acc coach of the year. He is the man that led florida state to the acc tournament championship last year. He is of course coach ham leonard hamilton demand that joe b hall called When he was working at a chemical plant and said i got open for an assistant coach. Thank you should draw from charlotte lexington check this out and the rest is history as they say insist they came back from paul's they blew out. Nc state one. Oh five seventy three. The north carolina game was pretty close but north carolina's playing really. Well one five of the last six win that game. Eighty two to seventy five. Then they basically blowout louisville louisville makes it more of a game in and then they blow out clemson so since they've come into twenty twenty one. Linda hamilton has been on a tear. The florida state seminoles have been on a tare. And look scotty. Barnes five star. We all know the leonard hamilton does. Where the bag is and knows how to get these guys. Campus johnny is to the world. You know the list goes on. But florida state they are the premier teaming in the acc. In my opinion they are the top flight team in the acc and that is where the bad guy sits. You know it's like coach k. Or jeff capel would-be up there. Originally they're done throw them off. The king is dead. What you sure are omitting one guy. It's coach hey it's coach ham. Sit him up there. Put right there. Beg other we they they they had have gotten a different strain of govan than i don't understand it. This is this is very bizarre. I mean obviously those kind of a joke but at the same time like in all seriousness. It is very weird to see the different ways. People are coming back from pause. I hate that. I'm using that. By the way the indicate on the show is like yeah of course on pause. And now i find myself on the way it's affecting different teams some teams coming back like clemson that are just absolutely garbage and yet who knows if clemson will ever win a game again. The way they're going right now. Others like florida state. They took the break. They came back through like believable. To point is florida state undefeated. Almost i mean almost they keep it going. We're going to talk about it like they. They are post covid break on the feed. And the yeah and rake one gray. I brought up at the beginning of the year. And i said he was the news. I don watching. You really is unbelievable. Who's who's the best player on influence. State walkers scotty barnes. It's got to be one of those i would say. Rake juande gray right now. This such i mean the answer him day walker but but for me at hipster like i know that's the rick pitino answer you know basketball and florida state to state. I mean it's honestly the the guy that really bosses the one that That that the the big guy. The serbian kid was on the killed. Us the seven footer. I was just the guy whoever plays against north carolina. No no i'm saying like did they have like five guys that i i would be like. That could be the right answer. Mj walkers probably the right answer. Scotty barnes is writing and recording grades. The right answer though. Also i kids as last name. Capri capri ca. He's serving amazing. He pumped the entire north carolina team but for estate great team. Best team in the acc. Right now don't listen to what mike says later. Leonard hamilton bag. My bag of the week staying in the state of florida makes us win. Quick it is dick vitale. Who very clearly very clearly. Cashing pepco checks. What is this he. He's he's a tampa guy looking picture. This man so easy. Tampa bay guy. We know this he he. He lives in tampa. He famously never makes a meal in his kitchen. Ever life every meal out which by the way how is how is dickie. Inland do kovic when restaurants were closed. That's a great question. we're we're restaurants. Closed they surely they were. They were what did he do. Each office meals out. He drink tax so the during this run that the bucket years on this started like a couple of weeks ago one week ago or something where you just tweeted lorraine bring me pepita all. He said something. Like that. And i was scratching my head. Like what the hell is talking about. He goes pedal to the metal with the upto. Pepito probably reached out to point. Yeah and it was like hey dick you wanna like liquor and diggers like yeah. I will cash those chicks and So apparently during the buccaneers packers game then ac- championship dick by tau six times. Tate tweeted a picture of him. Holding pepo biz mall and made some sort of comment about how he's chugging dope takes us again. My question to you is. Is this a known thing. That like pepco biz mall is the remedy. If you're nervous of sports fan. Because i have never pinto biz like i'm going to ship my pants. I guess i guess it tracks like i'm gonna. I'm saying i'm to shoot my pay. Maybe tom's i think would be. Maybe the right answer In like your stomach's rumbling confused as i like. You need to just like you have anxiety. Basically is rings. I know. But i don't think it is. This is dick vitale. Wheelhouse i want more of this from vicky v less of like offering his takes on Whether we'll wait was paying guys shawn miller band guys. But rick. Pitino definitely wasn't paying guys Less syria dick. Let let leave the serious stuff to to real journalists like tate. Ny and just go back to tweeting about pets abysmal. That's what we all love. So but he's download. How much did you get paid for. This definitely getting paid paid. Like ten thousand and tweet probably. That's pretty good. Yeah by a lot of those sixty eight to All right we're gonna take a break in. 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Mike we gotta start with coach gay. Obviously so yeah you guys be. i guess. Like let's talk about that louisville duke. Ub kentucky this year. Has that ever happened. Do you remember this happening. I mean you guys never be kentucky so like what what. What is the vibe right now. Is this a good times louisville. What's going on at believe it happened three years ago. The donovan mitchell team twenty sixteen seventeen so i guess. Four years ago smack smack race on the face. We won that game. And then we'd beat the darren fox kentucky team earlier in that year so it happened fairly recently still feels good and i don't know if you guys saw the stat and take you especially listen up here. Movil only program in college basketball to a face coach k. At least ten times has a winning record against the. I did see this. And i liked this mike. This is it's one of those times. Where like an acc history. All the teams that came in. They had earned their stripes a little bit to kind of get into the. ac louisville's always been adored. I feel like especially. Because bettino came and he was a hall of famer you know. Then you get lamar jackson. You get the heisman moments. Like louisville's always been like but then you throw this up there that we own coach k. Like that's that's what i like to see. I'm all in for that. That's a great step. There's there's like a weird thing with coach gay to where he's overly complimentary after every game against the level. I don't know if it's because louisville beat him in the eighties title game back when the whole remember i if you stories about coach k. From the eighties. It's bizarre they all talk about him getting the monkey off his back and can't win the big one which is just it blows your mind to rebound and in roy. Twenty one greatest coach evolved on but he after they lost a little in twenty thirteen in the elite eight. Had this whole big thing about like. That's what they do. They boom like these. Big runs was like just super complimentary. Not it wasn't wasn't a bomb. It was a boom. That's what it was. It doesn't work at all. Local fan still hate them just as much as everybody else but he but he still says really really nice stuff about louisville. After every time we kick ass who. Who's the biggest louisville rival necessary at this point Would you say it's i can tell you. The fans disliked the most at this point. It's not virginia anymore. Louisville beat virginia. One time every little fan is now like well chris. Max figured out we do we. We wanna game. We were favored to win by ten by two points. So we clearly. We've we've cracked that code. It's done But it's for a state. Now they have. It's a program that level had played. A i think they've put like fifty times because they used to be in the old metro conference together. They were in missouri valley way back in the day and louisville owned the series. Like i think it was like thirty four to nine just a few years ago and now floor states six of eight. They've beaten chris mack. All four times. They've played in the acc. They had the big win over him in his last game at xavier and they just like they not only beat louisville. They humiliate they dumped on jordan war last year. They dumped on jayjay trainer this year. They threw elle's down to an empty stadium a stadium last monday. Like we'll andrew just kind of sick of florida state funded release. It was good at the game was on the other side of that game because it kind of washed away. The florida state game a little bit and i was going to ask you mike because titus asked me this i feel like for the past three weeks he asked me what is the acc who were the top teams if there was a tier one of the acc. What does that look. I think if we're doing tears at this point like tier. One alone is virginia and florida. State minimum. line like i. I think that there. I didn't get why virginia started. Also slow when you look at that roster like they have clark. He's been there forever. They've got jay who's the emerging star. They've got you know. I think casey more sal is kind of that breakout guy. Who's going to be really good at the end of software year and then iraq gets awesome when he's a junior and they've got all the typical virginia pieces and when i watched him play in november and december. I was just kind of like. Why do you suck what's going on. This doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense florida state now hitting its stride beating everybody by fifty points to me. There's gigantic separation between them and the rest of the conference. And i would like to give us a shout. This is the second year in a row. Now where he texted me and been like louisville's rolling. We gotta get you on the podcast talk about it and they have promptly lost two in a row. If they had on saturday. I would not be here. I wouldn't be doing this pod. I was thank god for the funniest part is i think i did it. After the weight force game wake forest like did. Because i was watching it the next day. Yeah i'm just sitting on my couch like watching a jones going off against wake forest scrappy team. They trick you into the plane so hard. We're beaten good team or do pretty good going. Let's talk about karl jones. He's a guy that i feel like And less you've really been locked in louisville basketball and again no offense to you guys but you haven't been ranked most of the have you been ranked at all this year. Ray ranked right now right now right now today. Why we couldn't dude exactly coach k. Gassed you up that much like this is the hardest of my life all right. Well we say by thirty and then bad and it was enough to jump us into the top twenty points. Dads that if you if you're like me your app your score app. Has it programmed to show top. Twenty five games louisville's not popping up a lot year and with that maybe a lot of people around the country are watching a lot of garlic jones. He's a transfer as not is not been playing for louisville the past few years so now ranked now people are gonna watch their your big. Who the hell is this guy. i mean. explain to the people who like first of all. We came on radar. When we were doing like previews that i forget who it was. A was it was maliki. Said like he's alan iverson or something going into alan iverson united states. Just ridiculous might. Did you know he was going to be this good. Did you get a sense. He was going to be this good. Because transfers guys who averaged twenty points a game at tiny schools and then go to big schools. It's not a it's not a guarantee in fact more often than not they step up and they're like wow. This is too hard. This is harder. I thought it'd be. He's been amazing. Like what what is your carly jones. Experience explained to the people. What that's been like. I could do fifty five minutes on this. Like karl jones is awesome. Like he is the. He's one of the most fumble players to watch in the last since i've been watching. Which is my life basically. He's i think we thought he was going to be good. And i've seen him play a couple of times at radford. They've played in the big south semis. He went shopper. Shot with richer. Main mero for hampton. Who i think was like the second or leading score in college basketball a couple years ago anyways. They both scored like like thirty. Five points in. That game was awesome to watch. So i knew he was good. I didn't think he'd be able to get to the rim against. Acc teams the way that he has and he is a little bit of everything. He's third in the conference right now. In both scoring and assists. He's like five nine hundred and seventy pounds and he gets six seven rebounds every single night because he's just one of those dudes who sees the shot in the air and knows exactly how it's going to come off the rim. And he's like the guy that i i've heard him compared to like no disrespect allen iverson. I don't know if they belong in the same sentence like he reminds me a little bit of watching fred vanfleet. When he was at wichita state you can see the wheel spinning a little bit like you know when he makes a pass he can see like where that ball should be. Four passes from now There's a coach in the. Acc made a cova pin yada and smashed it after a game. And mike rutherford for people at home. They may not know this. You are a bit of josh passenger whisperer. You wrote an article. Who said josh pazner. Michael scott the definitive quiz back in two thousand eighteen What do you think about the year of josh pastor. Because he has been on the highest of highs i would say he is owned The space we thought he'd be good guy the year but he's winning too many games to be good guy of the year. But what is the joe. Where's josh pass. Georgia tech is is at the top near the top of the yes they. They could beat. Virginia this weekend know some halls on alvarado demonstrates. But we'll get to that. The most upsetting result of the weekend for me was georgia tech. Not closing that game against virginia. Because you know it's been my dream since this year started. And we first pass ner wearing that stupid ass gigantic. Like paintball face shield. He looks like iran. Jetson crazy steiber thicker every time. I see all talk like my dream for this season. Hasn't been georgia tech Goes to unprecedent heights they dominate. The acc win a conference championship. Yoke and past her. He does like the rip hamilton thing where he just keep wearing the face. Shield every year. He's not good with the exact it becomes the thing like when he gets tossed. Haircuts facial throw it into the crowd of broken nose like now. it's good. yeah like he just. He feels obligated because his best season came in the so. This is what needs to keep happening. This is why you're the past all right. Forget the acc. We talk about beating kentucky just The give us your your summary of the coach. Cal versus chris mack. Wwe feud we saw the the promos. They were cutting back and forth. Also this is going to be like a twelve part question. Also do you. Is it better to beat kentucky and send them to depths. They've never really experienced in modern basketball history. Or would you rather have beaten like the two thousand fifteen team. Say i guess to question. Those are the two parts twenty fifteen slightly extreme because they were so so good If it was like. I know this year and we talked about it. A little. Bit on my podcast. Shameless plug shops. Yeah but i like we kind of said. It almost feels better this year because we thought like they pulled every car that they had for that game like calipari was playing the hits like. Don't listen to bombs who can't beat us who you know. We've we've dominated for the last ten years like all this stuff all these videos. They made all the promo videos was all about beating louisville and then when we wind we of felt like we could all sit back and just watch burn. Which is exactly what's been happening last month. Camelot is on fire. He hates his players hates his fans. Now he saying all the wrong stuff in every press conference which never happened for the last eleven it is it totally unraveling and i don't think it's going to get any better anytime soon. Regardless of what any kentucky family. So that's better knowing big. It was really. Yeah i think so too. Especially because they get the picture of the nineteen eleven kentucky team pulling those pictures though. That's good for everybody. Yeah yeah perfect ending the game enjoyable. It was like an hour and fifty nine minutes of just fear of the we all knew was coming and just jains desperation and sadness and depression and then like thirty seconds of of great joy which was a is always sporting experienced. That's how it always is a toys is what are i'm trying to think of because i have we. We could talk for hours. I'm trying to figure out what i focus on. What what about like all ages six. I need you guys. Explain this to me. Like 'tatoes on justin champigny. He's a sham penny brothers guy longer. Hauser brothers guy hey Pennies is picked races player. The right now carly jones is up there. Who are the candidates for the rest of america list. Not garrison brooks Jayhawks the estimate in the mix right. Yep who else. Who else would it be. A matthew hurts. Having a good year isn't he. I think her got ruined by sham penny just head to head i think that kinda ruined his campaign. I feel like right now. She and penny is the front runner. Garlic jones is probably the might take. We'll tell me these sayings. And i just take him as a gospel do so. Would you agree. Justin chimpanzee the guy and they see scarlet jones. It's probably little. He's the guy. Like i do think it's those two i know. Virginia fans have gotten on me in recent weeks for saying if they think jay us should be the front runner right now. And here's my my response to that is. Jay is seven one colleague. Jones is like five nine. They listed box. you like. It doesn't matter if they're bringing the same amount of rebound david versus goliath. Eric judge smashes a home run. Not impressed at what to do does it. I'm impressed air judge. I've seen he's got a foot on carly jones average the exact same number of rebounds her. I was not arguing height. What's to your point that. I thought you were just like he's small so let's cheer for. We don't give ac player of the year to anybody over six five. I hate to keep doing this to you. But at the same time i really really truly do. Not because i mean you know it's coming on the show you know it's coming. What is the patino status. What we're where louisville fans with this announcement comes that at the next home game lou. Rick pitino is going to be honored. And they're going to hang his white suit into the rafters or something. How outraged are louisville fans. Wh where do we stand in the feud of rick pitino versus papa. John versus the university of louisville. Well he won the papa. John's view because you john is only gone We i think we mentioned the last night of the podcast that he had like sort of a kill bill list where he said. I'm i'm not coming back to louisville. And less papa. John's gone the interim presidents gone and the board of directors. Guys gone there. They all like resigned in disgrace. So don't screw with ripped he's gonna put you on a list. He's going to get you outta town But i i think the fan base is still kind of fifty fifty on rink there. There's some people who still talk about. the heights. Took the program to all the good times and there are other fans who are like everything that we're dealing with right now. The ncaa sort of uncertainty the past couple of years dealing with that cloud. It's all pacino's fault so i don't think it's ever going to be clear. I don't think he's gonna come back anytime soon. That's that's what. Also we are a stick to sports podcast. So i don't mean to invoke this man's name but there seem to be like a little bit of parallels with donald trump is out of office and the new president and like the people. I've been talking to you about the new presidency we're living in is like it'