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This is the hurt wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles right here on F S One. Thanks so much for joining us today Joy Taylor with me the Aaron Fox of Sacramento Kings joins US great kid great kid. Bill Polian joining us as well. We got camps. Jay Don. Day. Sean Sean of the Atlantic. Also. He's in the bubble loaded showing a Friday we're off next week. Yes. Our big show today this is a big show today a lot of effort. No Mail it in today and. It's very, can we come back on Labor Day? We'll be on the Air Labor Day and we're ready to roll. How are you? Great. I watched a bunch of nonsense on last night. Give Me Sports. So. Lebron James is obviously the most powerful NBA player in my opinion, and it's really been cemented in the last twenty four hours. He's the most powerful athlete. In the history of America. Michael Jordan was more popular. Big Difference between popularity and power, Tom Brady is very popular among players. How much power does he have? Hell? He couldn't even get his own coaching staff to listen to him. Aaron Rodgers is talented. He can't get his team to draft players he wants. You read these stories on the Bron James. The entire league including the owners was waiting for Lebron on to decide if they were going to play. Now. Some people resent power but most people frankly say they want it but they don't. Powers hard. There's a lot of heat and a lot of burdens, a lot of responsibility and a lot of questions. I read two stories one by Chris Hanes. You Donna has on basically said Dude you're the face of the league will play if you want to. The Milwaukee Bucks according to sources said, if Lebron says we're playing we're playing if not we won't. The bronze said, let me sleep on it. and was willing to say no, but he wanted to hear from the billionaire owners. And their proposals going forward. Ninety nine percents of is just love ball hardin loves ball Collides Bull, Brady loves ball I. Got No problem with that Michael La Ball. The bronze willing. To deal with the burdens and the responsibilities of true power. Didn't have this power Michael didn't love conflict twice he quit basketball didn't WANNA. Deal with Jerry Krause didn't want to deal with certain ownership just didn't want to deal with it. and Michael's the best basketball player I've ever seen and he's more popular than Lebron. Now that a series of circumstances, and this is not a referendum against Michael Jordan me he's been I. Don't think you should have to talk politics. And he's never been. You know very deft at it. But, there is a series of circumstances. that. Have made the most powerful athlete. In the history of America number, one is the best NBA player in a League where players control at number two is the most politically active. A number three is career lasted a long time we've been talking about him. You know on the cover of sports illustrated in high school nineteen years ago He's best friends with a lot of the other stars. MJ was not is the most media savvy player I've ever seen has his own talk show his own networks. He's like Oprah like she owned her own network Lebron got his own networks. Whereas MJ was the killer you would go after you you know Lebron's more philanthropist lubricate or not agitator doesn't have many enemies in the League And also timing sometimes in life you know just timing it social media has empowered. All these athletes are just more popular than ever Michael Jordan had power. He didn't have this power. I don't think Michael Ever wanted this power. and. That's okay. I don't think Brady wants that power some guys just ball harden loves ball. Michael. Michael. Now Michael was rich. He was talented and he was popular and he had some power. In and out of this power. I mean Lebron literally the owners were waiting for Lebron to tell them according to the Christine. Story. Can we play? Tiger Woods. and Michael Jordan. Are. The only thing close to Lebron in terms of ratings disappear when they leave and that is power. But it's not like the. PGA. Cancelling the masters when when Tiger went away for a couple years. Cancelling the US Open cancelling the Ryder, Cup? Mean Michael we kept playing. Michael. Left. Again we kept plan. I mean the reality is Lebron. Has Been Willing. Willing to be hated member this mobility thing it used to be a stigma. Now we think you're crazy. If you don't leave Janas is not going to consider leaving Milwaukee. That's Lebron. The Braun literally. Literally changed how we view I've said this about Steph curry to he's changed the way we play Basketball Lebron changed the way players move about in the league. Michael Jordan by the way is been in these meetings. He's allies on for the owners in this thing. He's just sitting listening Damn J. Mj's making a listening to Lebron Lebron's making all the decisions here. And in order. To be powerful, you have to accept it and you have to be willing to trade off stuff. You gotta give up some of your time. You gotta take a lot of heat got answer a lot of questions. A lot of pressure being powerful everybody says, they want it now they don't a lot of guys won't be rich. Be being a president whether I like or dislike president. You have to say most business people Jeff Bezos doesn't want to be President alone must doesn't want to be president. Lot of rich guys don't want to be president. They don't want the burden, the questions, the heat, the non stop, twenty four, seven, relentless responsibility of it. I've never seen according to these stories. We've never seen this in America. Again. I'm not saying the most popular I'm not saying the richest. But. All these circumstances. Lebron's the lubricates. He's made friends with players. He's taken stands on mobility and social justice and I think for that. It's incredibly laudable because I just don't think most professional athletes even the great ones. They don't WanNA deal with it. They don't want to deal with responsibility and what comes with it and a lot of what comes with power is hard. That's why Lebron I still don't get it but he's polarizing Mohammed Ali was polarizing. I didn't think so as a kid and I don't think so now but to a lot of people they are. So I saw this story this morning I really liked this story. We've got some football and show today. So, pro football focus on the stories are coming out that Joe Borough is lighting up. camp. Yesterday scrimmage six for six seventy yards touchdown. People just ripping it up I know what you're thinking. Oh call and you're GONNA crush nope I'm not. I'm. GonNa I'm. Gonna I'm going to shift a little bit on Joe Borough. I'm starting to see something. With Joe Berle that I really like and it's not six for six. It's not as spirals it's not as college career. I'm starting to see something with Joe Borough. That's really impressive. When I poked Baker Mayfield in the ribs. Police video. Height. Poked him in the ribs Kinda reach. Oh it bothered him. He fired back every time. Every time. Because Baker was not ready to go from best college team to Lousy NFL team. That's a certain level of maturity and self esteem that few have. Baker Mayfield has admitted in the last month. Bakers words? I lost my way. I lost. Who I was. I've been on Joe Borough for six months. He follows me on social media. He Re tweets me he never fires back because Joe Boroughs self esteem is not tied to what I think of him. Joe Boroughs Self Esteem, and this is really important is tied to what Joe Borough thinks of himself. I always said this the athlete has to show you and tell you how great he is is always the most insecure. Joe Borough never fired back not once. and. That's important in the NFL. Because in college at Lsu, he rarely trailed in football games. They always had more good players even against Alabama. Too. Much easier life. The NFL's hard. You get hit more it hurts more. And his team is lousy and he's GonNa lose a bunch of games. And Baker lost a bunch of games. He fired off not may t fired off at the medical staff? He fires off at media. because. I puff is out. But he now admits Baker now admits I gotta get more focused on football and good for Baker. Good for Baker. He's getting it. Joe Borough is already there took Baker two years Joe's there. He's not bothered by me not bothered by critics. Kind. Of kind of put his arms around it and that's a real thing. That's a real thing because this league, the National Football League beat you up physically and it beats you up emotionally. It's on you all day, the toilet paper that never comes off the shoe. It never comes off you're getting hit. You're getting poked you're getting maligned you're getting knocked you're getting criticized you're getting doubted. And if your self esteem. Is tied to anything other than your value. System. Bre. Urine big trouble. Joe, borough gets it not bothered by me doesn't give a rip doesn't care I love it not that he's following me not that he's retreating Hogan admit I got very excited. He's telling me. Boroughs all on the stuff that matters. BENGALS TEAMMATES FOOTBALL PLAYBOOK CONFIDENCE That's what it's about. This leagues not about the biggest arm Joe Montana didn't have the biggest arm. Best quarterback in this league on. Mahomes Israelis talented best arm and best quarter. We don't think Lamar. Jackson. Is the best arm. This this leaks about the biggest guy is Wilson big. Is drew brees big. It's never been about the arm and the size and the swagger. It is about confidence focus judgment maturity. Just saying Nice stuff about Joe Borough. I like it. Did say stuff about jober not a peep His self esteem is not tied to what others think of him, what he thinks of himself and I love that. Be Sure to catch live edition of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific a Saquon Barkley Sterling Shepard. The headlines are a little misleading they were asked about. You know would players boycott and they said you know we have players councils and we talk about it but the headline makes it sound like they want to. I don't think. NFL. Players have the power structure of NBA players. Know kind of dictate terms like NBA Stars can. But. My takeaway on all this stuff is every league now. Is. Supporting NBA players. Baseball's got eight percent. African Americans, they're all in. And a lot of the boycott crowd. Is running out of space to hide. When the NBA Guy You always love these guys don't like the have I'm not GonNa Watch. The NBA ever again I guess is you probably didn't watch it much to begin with right. You're listening to your show calling again and then I find out that don't really listen to. Like not much of a threat but when the NBA players decided hey. We, have concerns about social justice. You heard a lot of this boycott, the NBA. I'M GONNA. Watch. Hockey Oh bra hockey guys aren't playing today or tomorrow either. Think you're running out of safe spaces. Well, golf go auto golf is embracing black lives matter too. So is tennis in baseball in the NFL. Bro You're running out of places to hide. Forget the factor on the wrong side of this, you're running out of places to hide. Hockey. is now taking a knee and supporting players because it's the right thing this is multiracial and multicultural and multi sport. Billionaire owners not only wield incredible political power, but legislative power and athletes led by the NBA are saying. Enough. We can't move you. The country can't move you. Billionaires have never made more money. The gap between rich and poor, and I'm supposedly according to studies. One of those rich dudes now obviously, we're talking different level but the gap between. You know people with a lot of money and people without it is greater than ever and a lot of it's just the explosion of Tech. You can make so much more more money and tech days in Silicon Valley now. Silicon Valley two weeks ago. Four companies made nine hundred and fifteen billion dollars in six hours. That's not the way it used to work. I'm not blaming anybody for this. I'm not blaming rich people. I'm not blaming billionaires. What I am saying is they have legislative and political power. The rest of us, people do not and the NBA players saying use it or lose us. And all the other rich athletes mean Lebron's net worth seven, hundred and fifty, million bronze rich cat he didn't have it doesn't have to be Lebron's fight. He he he's done he can stop now Gulf forever do whatever he wants hanging out this kid's GonNa banana boats it have to do any of this the brawn saying hey. You guys are making more money than ever. You're all involved mostly with tech. You guys have nine hundred, billion dollar days. Make changes fight in our communities fighting our schools in everybody's following. And this is how you get billionaires to do things force them. To say do it you get changed force got made them uncomfortable and? But you can keep telling me, you're boycotting blank, you've run, out, of spaces. multi-sport multi-race multicultural. You've run out of space to hide because. Hockey. Golf Tennis Baseball Football NBA. The Smart People get it. This is the right side of things. One more heard the heard streams twenty, four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you live. So Cam. Newton. Still wearing the hats and everything but Cam Newton is a new Cam Newton ballot check yesterday said, it's incredible. He's a personality he's fun. It's just coon by nothing but love and Cam now is humble cam it the Patriot way as he still likes his hats. Some guys like Hat's what can we say some like hats? I like my new shoes from Switzerland. What's Cam talked yesterday at a press conference he is sounding Very New England patriot. You know as though the starting. Job It's yours right. Absolutely, not Every day is a workday for me and I'm that label is not important to me right now because I know I have so much to that I need to get better at so much that I need to learn so much that I need to be comfortable with. And throughout this process, that's the last thing that I'm pretty much worried about. I'm like an and Bella checks accused of his praise. Here's the thing. We gotta be fair now and I'm a critic. Cam. We gotta be. Fair. He's GonNa find out you people all said Cam didn't have any support and Carolina. New England didn't have anything Christian McCaffrey. Nothing. Close to Greg Olsen at tight end. And I think Dj more is better than any patriots receiver. New England's offensive personnel is possession receivers be minus running back talent and no functional tight end. And I think what's going to happen here in Cams GonNa, take the brunt of the hits because Bella checks all the trophies. It's really important for Cam to be coach -able and humble because he's not going to have big numbers here and they're not going to be a great football team. But if camp if that's the CAM I get in one year, he's going to have a market. New England drafts I've been told this by two people formerly in New England. They do the draft differently in this never gets reported that Bella check sometime in January or February nobody else does it this way ballot check says to his scouts personnel, people. Thanks, I've got it from here. I don't think it works. I think they draft offensive people as poorly as anybody. But. Again when you've got Brady running the show and you're winning trophies and I do think Bella checks, smartest guy he works to. Cap. Special teams defense. Oh lines. Very good. But if you go I'll give you an example I. Don't think. They do a very good job. They have no playmakers to have no speed. They have no functional tight end. Let Twenty nineteen go to their draft they drafted five offensive players Jarret Stidham backup poor camp doesn't appear to be a starter. Nikiel. Harry played in just seven games that's on a team that had limited wide receivers not know loaded wide receiver group running back. Damian. Harris barely played an offensive tackle in round three a garden round four neither player snap in a game. There's no playmakers here. There's no speed here. There's no functional tight end here. There's no game breakers here there's nobody have to double. So Tom Brady? WHO's the best quarterback I've ever seen he's better than cam his efficiency. He doesn't tell the long ball much he he's. He's not a Guy Tom's very efficient. So we took these limited parts and his officiency made it work but even Tom, last year and we caught him on tape twice barking receivers get open separate from people so. I'm a cam critic and all this stuff is awesome. I really do think it's important for Cam to be coach -able Cam to be humble and then I, think there's going to be a market for him because the numbers are going to be fairly anaemic in the biggest playmaker they have is Cam Newton that's it. That is that is that is it? Can make you miss campaign run past. You can run over you but we gotta we gotta be fair on this. He is not putting up big numbers. They got no deep threat. He's not putting up big numbers. He's not there's nothing here man the divisions better there's nothing here. And I think every great coach has a whole. Member, Andy? Reid it was. Not very good with the clock late in Games. Bella checks, whole offensive skill people. Last pro bowl redrafted. Gronk be short a catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern and Pacific on Fox sports. Radio affects one and the iheartradio APP that I did see a story this morning. Kevin Stefanski. The new coach of Cleveland Setup Baker Mayfield. He said he's all ball. He's totally focused. Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski now very focused no nonsense. This is the baker I think that can succeed to certain levels in the NFL I do think. They're going to be a winning football team this year I think they have a tremendous offensive personnel, some injuries in camp, and so I thought what ten players or people. In the NFL to me of the most pressure this year. WHO's got the most pressure in the NFL so here's my top ten facing the most pressure this year. Here we go. Number two I would say Cam Newton a ton, but he is a star and he had no market forum. When he was on the market, there was no market for his former coach didn't take him into Kyle Allen. He's lost his last eight starts. There are people that thought it was just injuries wise mechanics went down there was a little bit of a stigma around Cam. You know. Can't take criticism well, not a winning quarterback. This is important. Now I think the personality has around him is nothing. But I do think there are some pressure him for him to be a good leader to show he's coach. And by the way to stay healthy because he's been dinged up a lot. A lot is on CAM number Tom. Brady I think there's more pressure on Brady. First of all, he has worse completion percentage year in seven years and Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and all these titans this. This is a stacked offense. There is now I'm not saying. They can go eight nate. But he is got look good 'cause Tom didn't look good last year and this offensive roster his. talented. So I think even more than Cam I, think Tom Brady to prove his critics because there's a lot of people on this network that are like you shots over. I thought Eli Manning was shot. I don't think Brady shot, but there are a lot of people out there people respect saying he's not the same. Do a lot of pressure on Tom Number Eight. Ben Rothlisberger. Okay. This is a guy that historically we we know this. He didn't work out hard in the off season. Russell Wilson Does Brady does. Ben Can, be kind of like dad in the off CMO, hang out, go to the lake, go this net. Also it's time for Ben to get along with teammates younger teammates, lot of drama here with Ben. I think Ben comes in and struggles with another teammate more drama people are GonNA say dude you're thirty eight you're not in good shape under some pressure on Ben Number seven Jimmy Garoppolo I I think he has to win back the trust of his coach because I think his coach took the football out of his arm in the playoffs If you go look at his his completion percentage went down in the playoffs, his yards per game went down in the playoffs his passer rating went down in the playoffs. So what that tells me is they they. They were not building offenses around in the coaching staff had questions about Jimmy. G.. So there's some pressure in the building. There were also the Brady rumor trade rumors. There's pressure on Jimmy in the building. Just, Kyle Trust you and big spot right now not sure he does. Number he carol. Your offensive line now is joke, your defense are in the toilet. So now Russel what now, you can no longer say. Pete's got the defense fixed. It's bad. Defensive Line is ranked worst in the NFL and the offense for years everybody now analytically is going on the offense is like one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. There's some pressure on Pete. Now Pri peace got all the power there. He controls the draft, he controls the personnel and the personnel me own deadlines is garbage. It's garbage. So this Jamal Adams trade better work number five, Aaron Rodgers now less pressure this morning now that we hear Jordan love is terrible at practice. But let's be honest about Aaron. Rodgers? His completion percentage has declined in the last three years. He is worn out some teammates. The McCarthy thing stories out now it was no Mike. McCarthy. Aaron still talented, but he's got to stay healthy. He's got get along with coach. He's got to make this thing work. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to help Jordan love that that part I think is unfair. You can't ask him to worry about the evolution of Jordan love but I do think for Aaron. In Sixteen, Games are we going to be like? He's just not he's not a top five guy anymore. To. Prickly. Not the same guy, a lot of people oughta stories in the athletic recently, secret sauce has gone some pressure on number four Dak Prescott I, think that's obvious. Got New coaching staff. It's a lot of economic pressure. Is Dad going to get the massive offer. It really is more because we know he's a good guy. He's a good leader. We know he's capable. You know he can get to the play offs I don't think he has to have a playoff run but does Mike McCarthy go okay. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa this is my guy for five years Jerry son fat contracts kind of Economic Pressure Project Prescott. Number Three Derek Carr. I like him way more than his coach does I think he's very talented. He's Tony Romo not quite as athletic but Tony Romo but let's be honest here he has losing record and five or six seasons. He's getting a reputation as won't let go of the football will not let it rip Gruden likes quarterbacks who let it rip? So they brought in Marcus Mariota for a reason to put pressure on Derek Carr it's real number two Adam gays can get along with one star. Didn't get along with Jamal. Adams didn't get along with defensive coordinator. It's not Sam Darnold folks people like Sam darnold everybody in the room likes Sam Darnold Joe. Douglas GM did not hire Adam Gates. Joe. Douglas I know Joe Douglas He loves SAM darnold players love. Sam Donald owner like Sam Darnold fans like Sam Darnold. Adam. Gates a win. He didn't get along with anybody and I got news for you. You got it. It may not be NBA, but you gotta get along with some of your stars like one. Number, what Baker Mayfield I've been saying this now for a year everybody's finally sand. Cleveland's talent is absurd. Folks I can make an argument after Kansas City they may have the best offensive talent tackles, receivers, running backs, tight ends. There is way too much talent here bakers got to win at least nine games. I'm not asking to in twelve I'm not asking to win the division. Bakers get his act together. This is a stat offense. Both tackles and their center and they have a guard F four legit offensive. Lineman to star receivers to good died in two good running backs and this coaching staff is not going to put up with any nonsense like Mrs what Third Fourth Coats they're done with the nonsense lot of pressure on Baker and I do think he will deliver to a certain level. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon Eastern. Not Am Pacific last time and Fox was here. He was a in studio. We were glasses he was we were like he looked like a professor he was professor professorial. He's also great great player, but there's so many great guards. It's so funny. He was like twenty six and seven he put up huge numbers but booker and you got dame and you've got Luca in the West is just stacked. Steph curry is pretty good. I mean, it's just incredible and the Aaron Fox's now joining US via the Coward Global Satellite Network First Round pick number five overall out of Kentucky Right? Young Man. So here we go. Now, you've got you watch this whole bubble experience. Let let's just I, talk about this. Were you. were, you surprised players have elected to come back and play with the social unrest in the situations going on where does that all land for you were you surprised they quickly voted to go back and play the iron. I would say I was surprised how quickly it came back but I think that. would. Back. I mean. Everybody sees now you know this is a they're on a big stage. Now they're out, they're playing in the boat where everybody wants to know what the long the bubble nobody wants to know what the players are taken. Obviously. The people who disagree are going to say, they don't care players thinking what people wanna see what they're saying. So I think. I, think it was a good idea to think it was a good thing to go back into the ball on continuous play because now you're still in that big states obviously left you can go to protest and things but you know the right now there's no bigger stage than being in radio. You know what's interesting Darren joy and I have been saying this. I thought the quality of play was amazing. I think it looks cool either it felt like college. It was the the intensity. We're you at all surprised how good the quality of basketball was playing? In Florida in front of no fans. Actually crazy. So I didn't play the first two scrimmage games. And I'm kind of sitting here like man this is like this is weird I'm asking guys like how does it feel being out there 'cause with a plan, but the estate did a great job with the aesthetics like. It's Kinda like playing in La when you play when you play the Lakers. The court is lit up in the crowd is kind of dark. And that's kind of how it feels like when you're playing there. So. They did it. They did a fantastic job with that. I think that's why guys I mean I think is enjoy playing there. Obviously know the backdrops differ. So can some people were shooting a lot better than they but they did their the season, but it's men it's it's actually I will say agreed experience play. Now it's interesting. You guys had a winning record against the clippers and a losing record against the Lakers. So let's start with the clippers. A very deep roster. They have old guys. They got a lot of wings. They got young guys I. Think it's the best roster in the NBA that's my opinion. But you guys had some success against the clippers. Why do you think that is? One you know every time you played them I think either one PG or our out. But it's with US trying to give them play you know fast. I think I had good games to the two of the three times played in which. One one, La Sacrimento. But yeah, I mean you know that team hasn't many times where they've had the entire roster. Yeah and I think. That's that's something but I mean that's a that's a great team that is a great team. Especially when they have Pat Lou Pat. Quiet Pijiang afford same time. Switching everything. All of them can guard the ball had guys at put the ball and basketball three that all at will with Cowan will. But yeah, I mean we played them. Someone was always out I. Think Hawaii got hurt. Your warm-ups wanted to play them and I think that hurts them when one of their stars. Now, you had a losing record against the Lakers the Lakers have enormous. First of all, they have Lebron, but there are a big team. Javale McGee huge it. They made Portland look like a junior varsity roster because they were so enormous. So did the Lakers height and size and lengthier and did it give you problems? I did it definitely did actually I only played the Lakers once. I didn't play them early in the year we not only them twice. But. Yeah man like. You once you touch the nail, which is for delays area. Now you're seeing eighty. Usage Avella Y, you know Lebron's still sitting on the wing been sometimes you know you have a guy like who's four six nine? So yeah. They're length on defense loan defense loan is mind boggling honestly, and then you have Lebron coming down point. Dr. Eighty four because he doesn't play the five, right? Yeah. That's that's a huge team. I think a lot of matchup. Yeah. No, I think you're right. I do think the one thing I saw from the Lakers in the bubble is offensively lot of questions defensively. No questions they're veterans are. So at the I, think ACP started the game no Avery Bradley had twenty on us and like the first half in the first quarter, he didn't miss a game. When Avery air whenever you said even though he's not in the ball. So let's talk about being in the bubble of Sacramento you guys went three and five in the bubble. I was really impressed that the players in one day of negotiating could figure this out because you've been in negotiations for a contract negotiations take weeks and months baseball guys were screaming and yelling at each other for sixty days in basketball guys had a day to figure it out. And I said it's pretty commendable because there's a lot of stress going on in these bubbles you can't see family. Did you St- Paul George said he basically he unraveled amid. The sense, a little bit of that deer and that it is really hard. Ask a guy to go play three thousand miles from home. No family. No friends was was it ever hard for you? How man so for me me and my girlfriend and then me and my friends like I was always based on like always on facetime having to talk to sound like the people that I usually talk to every day. But yeah man it's it's difficult. Obviously people are going to say people will sit there and be like you're getting paid millions to do this. Blah Blah Blah and you know people don't realize how difficult it's. Obviously playing basketball you're you're getting beat up you're not seeing your level learns everyday like you used to It's definitely difficult. We were there for a little over a month? And I was ready to go once. You. Like I'm ready to get out of here. I. Wish made the playoffs but we didn't in. All it's it's a difficult thing in you know some of those guys you know the people who were the guys who are going to the finals be there. So October yeah. I'm basically. Yeah that's that's is definitely be able to do that but I definitely commend the NBA all what they did and it was it was I would say it was put it was set up rate. Where you know the housing was great. Facilities were using were great. It was for especially for this is the first time man I I I give an eight you know it could be better but it they did a fantastic job with yeah we we join. Have said that we think we think nobody's perfect pandemic man it's it's airlines adman. That was they did a fantastic job with that and I think that's why we still here and say NBA especially I. think that's why I say. Well, you know it's interesting a deer and Fox joining a Sacramento Kings Point Guard great young player among many of the great young guards in the NBA many of them outlast. You know I was saying this is that NBA players are not asking for more money. They're asking for more support from America on an issue they have with law enforcement. And for you, I ask a lot of players this and I don't mean I. don't even think this is a political issue. I. Think it's a human issue. I mean, you grow up as a black male in America. and. Parents. Have discussions with their children that I didn't have to go through. I wasn't told to be careful. Aaron if you would for our audience is the law enforcement issue for you as a young black powerful wealthy young man in America is it been something you've talked about with friends and dealt with for a long time? All the time it's actually funny. So someone in our chain staff. She's Irish so so he's kind of ask what's the what's the problem with? Lease and One of our rookie used actually from Florida used a saying like. Obviously we all know this and I don't like people bring it up that there are good housing none of that. We've all probably the security interschool school like you had a great relationship. But it's like usually when you have a running with the police, you know it's never something good. It's never a positive. So but for me man like, yes, I'm in the NBA I have money but the way I just outside of. Games don't have you on and this is when I had a lot of here. My on. and. Then I have slept hands on. So I look like the average eighteen to twenty, three, zero you don't know that I have. Expensive Watch since the change because I'm probably not wearing. Just being comfortable going to. Walmart or something like that. and. Yes. So people not only with police by just a little small things like you know if someone checking your seat. I May X. amount of dollars ago. Walmart I buy something. They could be three and it's happened and it could be three white people in front of me. They all walk by I probably have more money than them most likely than not I probably have when they walk by the person doesn't even look at Bin then as soon as I walk. Check my receipt make sure everything in my make sure. Everything is correct in my bag and I just think that's like little small things, I've. Never had a crazy run with the police. So I'm thankful for that. But there's always little small things someone clinching onto something walking across the speed Kinda see stop Kinda stare at you while you walk across. It's just little things like that, and it's obviously frustrating but you know something just don't understand and I'm happy that I've had you know people who aren't black actually asking me those questions who around because they some people just truly don't get it and you know. Sometimes, it's great that they're asking you know genuine questions about it. Yeah. Well, you know one of the reasons I, think the NBA's in such good shape. Is there's just so many good people. I think you're one of them I. Think you. I think Damian Lillard who you know I don't know most of these steph curry I've met I know Klay Thompson Dad but it's a really it's a great community of Kids who love basketball and some you want to talk about politics and I I think it's time for guys like me to listen and I. Just think you have an Unbelievable Future John Calipari mostly likes me. He gets after me sometimes if I ever if I ever criticize Kentucky wildcat but you are such a great face of that program and for the Sacramento Kings I love having you on when you're in La when we get through this pandemic come to our show sit here we'd love to have. Yeah promote anything you've got and we just appreciate you coming on the show today. Authorisation man is always fantastic. It's always been one or more. So thank you.
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"Hi, I'm Ariel Casten Jonathan Strickland and together, we're going to tell you the stories behind some of the biggest triumphs in failures and business. That's right. We're going to explore situations that tested the metal entre preneurs pivotal moments required making tough decisions. We'll be talking about some big companies that everybody knows like Disney LEGO and Harley Davidson and together we try to answer the question. What do you do when you find yourself at the brink? Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio NFS one. Find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox Sports radio. Here we go to Thursday. This is the herd. Live in wet. And again, rainy, Los Angeles. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio on FM one one hour from now Greg Cosell best ten minutes, you'll hear on the matchups this weekend. Saints Rams chief's New England. Joining me now joy Taylor after a very very fun week. Our you joy, I'm doing great in morning morning. I went to a NBA game last night. I watched the other L A team the clippers get whacked by the Utah Jazz. And there's a story this morning. I think it's very interesting, and I want to start there. The Lakers kind of release something yesterday a little press. Release saying yellow Brown will be back in here. Just a couple of days, you know, just like random press release. He's being evaluated by the team, medical staff, and physicians he'll not travel with the team on the upcoming two game Rhody has been cleared to return to practice commencing that sweet and progress toward the return thereafter. Yeah. Just kind of a random press release. No big thing hol. But the reaction by Rich Paul in LeBron's camp. A little more than sensitive quote. We don't give a blank what nobody thinks. We're going to do. What's best for him? When he feels. He is best. He'll play. We're not on. Nobody's timeline. Look LeBron is sixteen year. We don't know nothing to nobody. When he's ready. You'll be back as simple as that. Excuse me. That. So the Lakers just released a very common press release and rich ball delivered a double middle finger. Whoa. Folks to six week injury. I was told yesterday it's more serious than people are letting on and LeBron is a guy that uses his own people and team staff. Six-week injury or missed eleven games. We've never had this with the Braun. He's the all time NBA leader in minutes. Played playoff minutes played he's actually paid like like like three other full seasons in just like playoff games. He's like a baseball pitcher that goes to game seven of the World Series seven eight years in a row. He's not getting more dynamic. This is a real injury previously. The most games he'd missed in succession were eight. And that was when he went down to D Wade and they worked out in Miami after he left. I went to Cleveland, and it was almost precautionary. It wasn't a real injury. Word eleven games. It's probably going to get to fifteen and old by the way every other star in this league has been hurt. Kevin durant? Steph curry coli, Leonard, James harden, Westbrook. Paul George Joel Embiid everybody in this league gets hurt except LeBron. And now LeBron's hurt. They're saying it's a three to six week injury. Folks. It didn't get touched by anybody. He slipped on the floor heard a pop, and here's the thing with LeBron. Lebron's great argue is the goat. But he's no longer the best two way player in the league coil. Leonard is he's no longer the best closer at the rim. Yana says he's no longer. The best score. James harden is Durant Steph curry our he was number one in all of those five six years ago. Let me just throw this out there. Lebron comes back in a week. Plays for a month and a half late March. Andy, here's another pop. Does Anthony Davis want to join him. There's a new trend with LeBron. Oh, he's human too. And I think what this shows is that the LeBron Laker situation. There is not perfect harmony. Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson were emotionally and physically all in on the Lakers. Let's just say LeBron's at the bar having a cocktail hasn't gone into the restaurant yet. I was told when he first arrived he was reluctant assigned basketball's with the rest of the players. He uses his own training staff. He still doesn't quite know. If he's got a number two on this roster, nor does he know a feel land Anthony Davis when LeBron joins your team. And I understand this. He's always felt he and his camp. Hey, we're doing you favor deliver for us twice. Dan. Gilbert said at the end, I want my team back. It's why Pat Riley at the end said it's LeBron and everybody else. This thing is not in full harmony. And here's the problem. There's real tension with LeBron. The Lakers is Luke the guy. Do we have another guy de keep Lonzo and Brandon Ingram? When boogie cousins comes back if he stays in Golden State. What's the point? But the scariest part in all of this. The scariest part is this entire empire of LeBron is built on his body. He's never been the most fluid score. He's not the best ball handler in the league. He's not the best shooter in the league. He's not the best rebound in the league. He's the best body of all time. It is the temple to the empire. And it's now hurt untouched slipping hero. Pop six-week injury. Rich Paul's reaction speaks volumes. Little fear. Little fear the temple the body is like everybody else's that was a massive overreaction a middle. Double finger to a simple common pedestrian press. Release. There's real tension. This proves it. Let me shift to this couple of big football games. Not sure if you've heard about him Rams are at the saints patriots at. Kansas City, Patrick Mahomes. A very good player. I don't know. I mean MVP I guess a terrific player. He said yesterday. And this is not surprising because this happens all the time that the first time he faced New England. They kind of confused him. I mean, they do what they always do. They come out on scouted. Unscarred look stuff that they haven't shown weeks maybe in years, and they try to throw it on you and surprise you. When you played teams of this caliber you play teens with this much history of knowing how to win and capitalizing on people's mistakes. I mean, you can't come back and win games like that. And it was shown that game. And so for us we have to learn from that no that we can't make those mistakes we had to come out with our best best effort from the beginning of the game. All the way through the end. And it's gonna be a dogfight for the entire game. If you want to try to come out with a win. I will pick this game tomorrow on the show. We are eight no straight up eight playoff games. I just want to remind everybody and enjoy what I'm going to do is just simply I'm just going to remind people of something that has happened this year. Okay. This is not an opinion. I'm just going to remind you of what's happened Patrick Mahomes. Biggest games this year? Dench. The patriots loss to turnovers gives the Rams lost five turnovers at chargers at Seahawks loss loss, and they did beat the colts at home, by the way, a rebuilding team and didn't play brilliantly. I want to remind people in Tom Brady's five. Biggest games this year? I'm not going to count the bears. Win chiefs Packer Sunday night football. Viking Sunday night football Steelers chargers their foreign one. Tom Brady had fewer turnovers in all five games than Patrick Mahomes had in one against the Rams. I'm just reminding you a fax I am sorry. If they collide with your feelings, but Kansas City is two and four this year against playoff teams and New England is four and oh against playoff teams. I think it's an incredibly fair narrative. Sorry, if it gets you all derailed in Kansas City. It's a very fair narrative to say Kansas City is mostly played well in big games. But really hasn't learned how to close. It's also a very fair narrative to say New England against playoff teams still the best closers in the league. New England has not lost against a playoff team this year New England stub their TOA against bad teams who consider the patriots SuperBowl. The Jags Tennessee did Troy Miami Dolphins. But when they play the good teams they went for now and Brady was overwhelmingly brilliant the one exceptional year. And I didn't count the bears went in Chicago was the Pittsburgh game. And that was a game in which Josh Gordon, we later found out forty eight hours later had derailed gone off course, and they cut him. And so they didn't really have anybody to throw to down the field late. You remember that it was odd? We talked about it the next day. Why didn't they look throw to Josh Gordon? Thirty six hours later. He's off the team. These are just facts biggest games this weekend. Kansas City's played generally. Well, hasn't learned to close New England still best closers in the league. It was at fair. Was that incendiary was that? Controversial was that a hot take or anything? I mean, you're you're pointing to numbers. Yeah. Data. I mean, I'm not trying to tomorrow's the make picks. Are you going to surprise everyone with your pick? Well, America's media icon delivers only data and facts. And so I will deliver what I have been working on these all week joy. And I have I feel so strongly about one I can't contain myself. I can't contain myself that that's how I feel be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Kyrie Irving came out yesterday used to play with LeBron bailed on him and LeBron James didn't like it because the brawn James Saudi was helping Kyrie Irving grow. Kyrie Irving was a one and done guy at college played eight college games at Duke couldn't get off campus fast enough. We'll kyri Irving is now admitting. Yeah, I was kind of learning stuff from LeBron. Maybe I should have been learning more stuff and not trying to get out of. Town so fast. Here's Kyrie Irving. It was a big deal for me because I had to call Bron until like, you know, I apologize for being a young player wanted to everything, you know, at his fingertips, and I wanted everything to be at my threshold. I wanted to be the guy that led us to change that I wanted to be the leader. I wanted to be all that. And you know, the responsibility of being the best player in the world. And leading your team is something that's not been for many people and Brown was one of those guys that came to Cleveland and tried to really shows show us what it's like to win a championship. And it was hard for him. And sometimes getting the most out of the group. It's not the easiest thing in the world. First of all, I like, the Kyrie Irving admits it that's a real sign of maturity, kyri Irving. Of course, Kyrie Irving is simply a talent. And not a leader. The NBA's got a leadership problem. I went to a game last night. It was a bunch of talented players who is really a leader. Steph Curry's a leader. Steph curry grew up with an NBA father, and then didn't try to get out of college. As soon as he could if you look at the Golden State Warriors. It's not a coincidence that Steph curry went to three years of college in Klay Thompson three and Draymond green. Foreign Andrei Igwe Dala to Steve Kerr also big part of the college experience, but the basketball culture in America, my friend is broken the basketball culture in America. Now is spot a talent in highschool, and let's get him paid in the pros. College basketball bad. No, it's not college for all of us. Men and women is the time. We grow up I had to buy my own groceries. Get a job and pay for things. I almost flunked out. I wasn't a grownup. You kind of learned to be a man, and I'll just speak for nineteen year old me, I learned to be a man in college. I had to figure out a checkbook in a budget and do my shopping do my own clothes. Nobody made my bed. Nobody washed my stuff college matters. Dwayne Wade taught LeBron had to be a leader in Miami. Until that point LeBron was just talented but LeBron joined the Miami Heat, Shane Batty, four years of college Ray, Allen, three years of college de weighed three years of college. You donnas has them for years of college men leaders LeBron to that point was just talented. It is then when LeBron became a leader talked about politics took vocal tribal opinions that were unpopular too many. That's what being a man is the NFL is never struggled with this. Because the NFL culture the football culture in America is about developing boys into men. You're nineteen years old you get recruited the university says you will not play. We will redshirt you. Grow up get stronger, you will then play three to four years come out at twenty three years old statistically football players in America. Get married sooner. Older men leading a family leading an offensive line. They walk into this league. Russell Wilson for years of college JJ watt and their community leaders overnight. But the basketball culture is simply about fine the talent and get it paid yesterday Scottie Pippen submitted to all of us that Zion. Williamson should no longer play at Duke. Let's just get him paid. So therefore Zion. Williamson will be a long list of marvelously talented NBA players who have no real leadership skills. Kyri Irving had two opportunities in hill. Life to learn from two great leaders. Mike sha. Chefs ski and yet he couldn't leave him fast enough and LeBron James after Miami a real leader. And he couldn't leave him fast enough either. I went to an NBA game last night. And when I look at this league, I don't see leaders. I see talent. Kevin durant? Too flaky James Harden's into James same with Westbrook. Collide doesn't talk Steph. Curry is a leader in a big component to that. Is college is playing within a system. Lebron was just talented forever. Then he joined a group of players who had been to college been on their own. Don't be so fast or roles your roll your eyes at the college experience. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I know you'll wanna get paid. I get it. And maybe over time the NC double A will figure something out. I like to pope they would but kyri Irving had two chances in his life to learn how to be a leader he couldn't exit either fast enough, be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not an Pacific. Andy Reid was saying this yesterday coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. He was saying on Tom Brady, he goes look at I look at the film, and like the age thing hasn't hit him. And so there are things that happen. And we know everybody ages baseball had a steroid problem. So thirty-seven-year-old. Guys got way better. I don't suspect. Tom Brady's doing that stuff. But people are looking at film and saying it's hard to see the decline. It is interesting to point out that with no deep threat and a tight end in gronk who will be a hall of Famer that was a shell of himself and with Julian element missing September. Now, I just want you to think about this. No deep threat. No longer a dominating force at tight end their best running backs a rookie. The offensive line was getting remember they draft pick got her. They had to go get a right tackle put him at left an element miss September. Tom Brady twenty nine touchdowns. Eleven pick sixty six percent completion percentage forty three hundred yards that had been Cam Newton's best here by mile working with the least he's ever had. So just remember that the other thing that's important. Remember is I think a lot of people feel New England is old grandkids. And Tom Brady is one will not be a patriot next year. It's a very good tight end class in the NFL draft gronk won't be a patriot. But you're forgetting that New England's core is mostly really young Stefan. Gilmore is twenty eight Trey flowers is twenty-five Sony. Michelle is twenty three James White's twenty-six Trent Brown the left. Tackles twenty-five, Stephen Gus Caskey's their kicker, he'll play forever. A shack Mason's their best offensive lineman twenty-five and John Bentley a rookies twenty two won the starting job last year as a rookie at linebacker and got hurt. And that's something. Interesting here to rookies popped for them in camp is Ahah win a first rounder and Joon Bentley a fifth rounder. They also had Duke Dawson and Braxton various they all got hurt. So they have four young players to John Bentley Isaiah win. They think are going to be stars and play this year. One starting roles didn't play. They also have twelve draft picks. So they'll actually become one of the middle to younger teams in the league next year as gronk term expires. So don't forget this number one Brady had very good numbers considering element didn't plan September grams pretty much a shot fighter. And no Dietrich. They still had very solid offensive numbers. They are. Twelve draft picks. And actually you could count it as sixteen because four draft picks last year, they were planning to play major minute to in fact, look like stars in camp had one starting roles. So there is this idea. Don't forget the NFL is a year to year proposition, the three teams I'll guarantee you that are be good next year. Gonna be good Kansas City New England and the colts everybody else year to year proposition. Generally, I lean to the Steelers, but we thought Baltimore was that. And they wrote it for about three years straight until this year with Jackson. Nobody takes the Texan seriously. They imploded in the playoffs. We liked the chargers, but they just melted down. And they plan a top division. We don't know what we're getting with grooten Sam darnold. Adam gates could be interesting, but it's a dysfunctional organization. So you know, what Andy Reid says is I'm looking at tape. I don't see the decline, and what I think a lot of people misunderstand New England has a chance to be very young next year outside of Brady, and he's not showing huge decline. It is a very good draft for the two things. New England needs tight end and a wide receiver and it's a deep draft not a ton of stars deep draft with both. They've got six picks in the first three rounds twelve overall. And I think a lot of people are forgetting four draft picks last year got hurt didn't play too had earned starting roles got hurt. So this is this is really going to sustain this thing. Bella check still the best coach in the league. It is still arguably the best home field advantage in. The AFC and Brady's Brady. One more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like over. If you haven't checked out my new series the end of the world with Josh Clark. 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Which is just the thing to snap. You out of the winter blondes all ten episodes of the end of the world with Josh Clark are available for you to binge now on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get podcasts. For thirty years NFL films one of my favorite segments of the week. We have three football games left until next year. And we bring in Greg Cosell on a start on the Rams and the saints that will be the first game. It'll be on FOX. So I want to start with this Craig the saints offense September October November was one offense pretty high flying. Then they faced the Cowboys in since then yards per play has gone down. Haven't been quite as dynamic. What is the film saying happened to the saints? Well, I think you're if you're being honest Collins in studying the tape you will say that drew Brees has not played particularly well over the last. Oh, I don't know when that started. But it was certainly the last four or five weeks of the regular season. I would say that he was uncharacteristically inaccurate. And by that. I mean his ball placement wasn't quite as precise. I thought they were times based on the route concepts and where I know that he should be going with the ball that he didn't turn it loose a number of times. He did that. So I would say overall if you're being honest in your evaluation, you would say that drew Brees did not play at the same level. Which I would argue is there's a number on Tom Brady that he's not quite been as good in December as he has been in October and early that would point to fatigue in age is that unrealistic. You know, that's hard to know for sure. Because now we're trying to just sort of speculate as to why that may be the case, you know, in the case of breeze. I I don't know the answer to that breeze. It's always been a quarterback that I think is lower body has been really important to his game. Not in terms of running around. Like, let's say a Russell Wilson. But just how strong he is from in his lower body to move within the pocket, and then to be able to drive the ball, not necessarily with a power arm. He's he's not a power thrower. But just the ability to move reset stay on balance with the very firm base. Some might even look at the first play of the game against the eagles last week when he had to stay in the pocket and sort of reset and try to drive a deep ball to Ted Ginn and it came up short. The Rams are interesting. They kind of had to reboot they were very dynamic early interrupt stretch. And then they kind of rebooted against the Niners in Arizona got a buy and continued that sort of power running game they'd used against the cardinals and Niners against the Cowboys. So they've kind of rebooted I thought the BI week was kind of very important for this veteran offensive line to get rest, and they looked very sharp. But let's go to the Rams specifically it does feel like they've gone back or perhaps created with C J Anderson girly a little bit of a different offense than I saw early. It feels very run Centric. Well, I think it's always been that way. It's just they've been more successful. Because that's the way they start their offense during the regular season. Keep in mind they were third-best rushing team in the league. And they run the ball a lot. They were just very successful. And they're coming off to Cowboys game in which they did. Some really good things some really nuance things. They did a lot of tempo they played against a Cowboy's defense. That's very quick very fast likes to move. So what they did is. They went tempo, and they got Goff to the line of scrimmage now. He didn't always NAFTA ball right away. Sometimes he waited until they were three or four seconds on the clock. But when you do that the defense can't move the defense has to be static. And they got the front looks that they wanted. They got the defense static and they were able to attack those front looks their run game is all about attacking the front the defensive front that they're facing because they're run game is not overly diverse. It's different terms different coaches us, but it's essentially outside zone inside zone. So it's not a really diverse run game. Interesting. Off. I think we talked about this head kind of a rough November. And you know, teams are have different personalities Bella checks never been quite as you know, New England September New England in January two different teams. Sometimes what do you make of the match up with golf? What do you like that? He does. Well, when is he added his best? Well, I think off is very much a an is not a negative term. Because I think this is what coaches should do. I think office very much a programmed player. I think that when their offense works functionally ineffectively in all its dimensions. And he drops back and is relatively secure in the pocket that he throws a beautiful ball. He's an easy thrower. He's a comfortable thrower. He has a good arm for the most part. He's an accurate thrower. He lost some of his accuracy down the stretch. But when he's a comfortable player within the context of a multi dimensional offense. He's very pretty to watch the ball comes out. Really well, and then offense line is healthy isn't as good as any offensive line left in the playoffs. Well, the one thing that has been talked about all year. I remember we talked about with the eagles a year ago is all five starters played all sixteen games. And I think that when you get to this point the season, that's really important. It's not likely you'll have Ariza in cohesion and those kinds of things where there's a sinement mistakes based on a lack of understanding of what you're trying to get done. So I think that's really important going forward, by the way, Sean McVeigh, and Sean Payton or considered very smart, play designers, very clever, authentic coaches. So people can kind of lump them in together. Do you see similarities are they dissimilar sometimes? Well, I think in their general approach dissimilar because I think that Sean Payton is very much built on multiple personnel packages, multiple formation looks Sean McVeigh doesn't do much of that at all. They line up in what we call eleven personnel with three wide receivers on probably ninety five percent of their snacks. And they're not that multiple with their formation. Looks in fact in the weeknight. Endgame. They lined up in eleven personnel on every single snap and the saints defense lined up in nickel on every single. So now, here's a perfect example. Where teams have done things like this and it hasn't worked. And then people say, oh, you can't play like that. You're not creative. But for the Rams it works. Some Cup player that played against Bill Walsh in the Niners. Twenty years ago told me he said the Niners ran twelve plays. They had thirty different looks. He goes, they only ran twelve plays. You know? And then I had a player that played with Sam Weiss is that we have sixteen hundred plays. We just didn't do any of them. Well, I've always thought the number of plays is overblown you have to disguise looks. But do what you do well in life, and in football, and the Rams are what they're trying to do with all that shit motion. And the things that they do even just with your base outside zone run. Look is they're just trying to cause misreads based on how people have to react to what they're doing. You know, they're not fancy they're not multiple in the way, people think multiple, but they're just trying to cause defenders is not to be in the right place. And then that causes them to be beat late in their reactions. Let's shift to the AFC good stuff Greg Cosell joining us. So patriots are tannin. Oh this year when they rushed for one hundred yards. They use. They're running backs as receivers very effectively Sony. Michelle is now healthy is very small, but nimble clever runner he can go outside or inside the tackles. So when you look at their running game whether Teno and they get one hundred yards and you'll the candidate is run defense. What is the film say? Well, I think that the patriots run game is they run different concepts, depending on the personnel. That are on the field. They run certain concept when they have twenty one personnel meeting. The fullback Devlin is on the field, and they were on other concepts when they're an eleven personnel with reward receivers with Sony, Michelle. So you know, it depends what the look is and the cheese. So I think we'll line up with their personnel accordingly. My guess is they'll play their base defense against twenty one personnel. And there'll be a nickel versus the eleven personnel. And you'll see different formations one of the things. The patriots have always done Colin almost better than anybody over these last five six seven years is when they have base personnel on the field. They are so diverse with their formation looks that they create a lot of. Problems for defense. You know, I I don't recall them playing any better than they did against the chargers. I I was shocked by their effectiveness. What what blew you away on the film about New England's offense against what we consider to be excellent charger personnel. Well, I think that game was an odd game. Because the chargers shows to do the chargers essentially chose to play with six defensive backs their base defense. So when the patriots lined up with a fullback on the field and big people had Devlin grunk on the field. The chargers still had sixty -fensive backs on the field, and they really got hurt with the run game. Yes. Through the first half. And again, that's what they chose to do. They spent whole week taking that approach. They obviously thought it would be the best approach, but it hurt them. Let's go to Kansas City's offense. Tyree kills the fastest player. Probably in football. He gave he gave the patriots fit. And I consider the patriots secondary, Devin mccourty, tavon Gilmore, generally, it's very well. Coach Belichick has a history with DVD's. I think they have a pretty good secondary in my opinion. Maybe not as gifted as like a chargers. But I think gilmore's terrific player. I think Devon mcchord is you know in his thirties. But he's a very good player. Tyreek hill ate him alive. You know, Plaxico Burress was on my show, forty minutes ago. And he said nobody takes away the inside routes like ballot. Check they use the sideline as defender did the patriots had they had no success against tyreek hill, and they generally take away your big receiving threat. Why is he such a mayor for them keep this in mind in the first game they played and that was week six dollar. Check made a decision the decision. He made in that game. Was that he was going to take away Kelsey and not hill. Now, he may change that decision. Yeah. Because. One thing about the cheeses besides being very well schemed. They have very good personnel. And he'll present a different issue because of the pure speed. But they are there's certain defined tendencies that the chiefs have in certain formations. And if I know that Bill bell, check will know that. And it'll be very anxious to see what they do one tendency in particular when they go empty and the chiefs are very good out of empty is. They put tyreek hill in the inside slot to the trip side what we call three strong, and they tend to run him vertically from there. And you have you can't let him get over the top of you. So you're saying the chiefs are a tad more predictable out of their sets. Every team is see. That's the thing. People think that these games are wondering lost with cool stuff that no one's seen before. Everybody is is predictable. Probably not the right word. Everybody has tendencies and teams know what the opponents tendencies, you don't win these games because you. You're tricking people. And you're fooling people. I'm going to throw a guy's name out. I don't even know if we have tape for him that I think is going to be big this weekend. Chris Jones defensive lineman for the chiefs. He has emerged, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But it seems in the last two months he has emerged as a a real force a really difficult guy to block my takeaway on this game. If New England struggles with him and has to double him. It could affect the run game. Just talk a little about Kansas City's defensive front. I think Chris I'm not saying Aaron, Donald or Fletcher Cox. But boy when I watch Kansas City play, Greg. He is hard to stay in front of. Well, this will be purely a function in my view, and this is not profound Colin, but it did speak toward you're saying of the patriots being able to stay relatively on schedule because when they're playing well. And then when you saw them last week, it seemed as if Brady got the ball out so quick, yes. They were rarely in wrong yard situations. There may be no more patient quarterback that I can remember than Tom Brady in willing to throw the ball five yards. And very often those five yard games become eight yard gains. And while that may not appear on a on a highlight. That's a big play, particularly if it's first down, you know, then the second into. So the key thing to limit not only Chris Jones working inside. But just in Houston who didn't play week six and deformed is the ability to stay within the schedule the offense. And then the ball comes out so quick. And that's the key for the patriots when Brady secure, and I thought this year one of the differences with Brady is he wasn't as good when there were people around him as he's been in years past. So if you can keep him secure and get the ball out. It might negate that pass rush. Joey Bosa was watching film last night, Joey Bosa they had a miked. He was just frustrated. He kept going to the sideline San he's getting rid of the I get there. He doesn't matter. How good are pass rushes. Right and guy look up and the balls down the field. All right. Your big play this week is Brady to element against the chiefs role at go right into it till it started right now. And this was a seventeen yard touchdown pass from Brady to settlement. And was very reflective of this. First matchup in a number of ways. And we'll start with the fact that the patriots go with a trips formation here to the field. And this is they do a lot of the three receivers trips formation. It's a bunch formation and the chiefs are playing man to man, they play a lot of men coverage you're going to see this. But now the other thing which is really Representative of the first game. And what the chiefs do is the chiefs rushed three. Okay. They rushed three and they drop to defenders kind of underneath a lurker. And so this is what they did many snaps in that game. It was cover. One man coverage behind a three man rushed to lurker. Now, you get to the matchup settlement for fuller, and they'll take that every time for is a good player, but they liked that that matchup they'll take element in the slot versus fuller all day long. But that's something to really watch for in this game. Because the cheese they rush. Three quite a bit. That's part of what they do. And they like to play coverage, but they play man coverage with a lot of with to those two free defenders, which I think they'll do against New England. Who's got the better offense line, by the way? What is the film side? Well, they're different because the offense is different. You know, there's more deep drops for Kansas City. And there's more quick drops for the for the patriots. So you know, that's a hard call. They just play totally differently. You do like Kansas City's defensive front better than New England's though Trey flowers is pretty well as an individual group. Yes. You know, the patriots don't have that one pass rusher like default or Justin Houston, and Chris Jones is certainly very good on the inside. So you know, as individuals the chiefs are better. I can't wait for this. I really do. I I think it's very easy to look at Kansas City and say payback big weekend. But I'll tell you this New England was four no against playoff teams this year. And they they have a tendency to be very very good in these big game. So I I just can't wait. I it's going to be downright bombing. Now at least twenty as opposed to zero. No kidding dragged. Great talking to you. Thanks, Colin pushy. It'd be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not a emphasis back on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. One of the reasons I don't like the term hot take is. Because sports delivers the amazing sports delivers the unpredictable things happen in sports that would be ridiculous to predict and yet over time. They happen. Very rarely in sports is it predictable. And so these days everybody's afraid to have a strong opinion because social media will branded a hot take. Well, right now social media's having something called the tenure challenge, you go back to two thousand nine and you show pictures, and you compare them to yourself and compare yourself to now twenty nineteen and I thought it would be interesting to go back ten years to look at things we could have said would happen in sports, and how absolutely absurd it would have sounded ten years ago, and they all came true. So let's actually go back in time. It's time to look back at the year two thousand nine to see how much changed how different people looked and whatever was going on with Goulet in this photo. Get ready for the heard special version of the ten year challenge. Okay. A hot take two thousand nine. This would have been a hot take the patriots dynasty. I know Brady's hurt. It's gonna last another ten years, and he's still going to be an MVP at forty. That's exactly what happened. Tom Brady was an MVP at forty in two thousand nine he was coming off an injury. Peyton Manning was in his prime just turning the corner to the back nine and the dynasty would last double the length of the longest dynasty Steelers in NFL history ten years ago. How about this one Tony Romo will only appear in a Super Bowl as an announcer. What if I would have said that in two thousand nine he was only a third year starter for the Cowboys. I would have believed you, but by the way, he is now younger than Brady and Brees who are playing this weekend. Only in his third year as a starter had just wanna play playoff game. I come on the air and say he will ten years from now be doing the Super Bowl as an announcer. He wanted to be playing. Let's actually true. It gets better the NFL's best future. Coach. Is a twenty two year old assistant in Tampa. His name is Sean McVeigh he'll go on to coach the Florida tuskers of the United football league. That's something. He will go on. He was the youngest assistant the league he will go on to be the most duplicated copied coach in the National Football League. From the Florida tuskers. How about this one? This is why it got to be careful about saying hot take sports delivers the insane in two thousand nine I said Davidson junior shooting guard Steph curry will revolutionize the NBA in two thousand nine he missed the tournament. He couldn't make the turnament he has since gone on to win the first unanimous MVP's three NBA titles. Currently a set the record for the most threes in a season three separate times ten years ago, you'd be laughed off sports radio for saying that little guy that just missed a tournament will revolutionize professional basketball forever. How about this? If I said ten years ago centers in the NBA who become mostly irrelevant. Two thousand nine Dwight Howard was an MVP candidate and led the Orlando Magic to the NBA finals. He has now been on five teams and never reached the finals again, even the NBA franchise. The Lakers known as the final landing spot for most of the great centers had him. And in the end weren't that truly interested nor was he interested in the Lakers. How about this one? Ten years ago ten year challenge if I said, hey, LeBron's going to be a Laker. I. That would have been an incredible hot take in two thousand nine. The biggest rivalry in the NBA was LeBron against Kobe and the Lakers. The Lakers won the title that year certainly didn't appear to need. Lebron? Lebron is now in his fourth team that in itself would have been a crazy hot take. If I said, he leaves Cleveland comes back. How about this one two thousand nine ten year challenge be careful about saying take if I'd have said two thousand nine hey, Tiger Woods never went. Another major what in two thousand nine tiger wood at one fourteen majors and was on pace to shatter Jack Nicklaus's record of eighteen. Woods has won a major. I think what is it one? Since one of the US open in two thousand eight tight tiger had been the world's number wing one ranked golfer since June of two thousand five to two thousand nine he was the most dominant golfer on the planet. There was no second place. Mickelson was seen as a large Grand Canyon gap behind him two thousand nine tiger will never win another major. How about this? If I said this ten years ago. I think about this. The Chicago Cubs will become one of baseball's best franchises. They had a horrible facility in two thousand nine they'd got one hundred and one years without winning a World Series. They have now over the last four years amassed three hundred and eighty seven wins. That is the most in major league baseball. But how about the craziest thing if I'd have said this ten years ago? Clemson will blow out Alabama to in the college football playoff and get serve. Mcdonald's by president. Donald trump. Man that would have been the craziest hot take of all time. And that's exactly what happened. Not only. Is. It a surprise that. Clemson now is the dominant force because Clemson at that time in two thousand nine hadn't won double digit games in in. Two thousand nine. Nineteen years. So clemson's nine the crazy story the guy in the White House kinda crazy story that picture will be in history books, our grandchildren. We'll see. But it is interesting. Whenever anybody says hot take I say timeout sports, the truly bizarre happens a junior at Davidson who can't make the tournament changes the world tiger falls off a cliff. Donald Trump becomes president and serves Clemson McDonald's. Lebron becomes a Laker. I mean, the cubs become Allama the Red Sox. You know, arguably the best analytic team in baseball. I think maybe the the NBA centers and Tom Brady are the most bizarre. I mean, obviously like no other than Steph. Curry could have predicted what Steph us in our lifetime. Joy dynasties in the NFL lasted about six years. I mean the Steelers were about seven you got about six years of this stuff in your players fell apart players couldn't flavor. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can you can do so. Much more now with nutrition in two thousand nine they'd already been to the Super Bowl three times. Bready just got hurt and it ten years from now they'll still they'll win their division. Every decade you be like nobody can last that long. Brady's throwing a touchdown pass to seventy four different people. Like you. It's insane. Even think what they're doing. So I was planted heartache I love sportscasters who not only report on just what happened, but are not afraid to go out and say, I think this is going to happen social media shames you and mocks you for doing that. But the guys that I listened to the gals listened to on sports, talk radio and sports radio are not just reporting. What did happen? They're projecting. What they think will happen. That's what I think. Sports is what's great about sports. It delivers the wildly unpredictable. Stirred welcome to hysteria. Fifty one a weekly ho Decoste of mysteries conspiracies and the unexplained. We've John Brent and conspiracy about you're all idiots. Join them each week as they clarify conspiracies. What better way to dominate your competition than to say they're trying to control your mind, then get old and probe the paranormal? It's all about laylines. 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Reaction to what was genuinely huge night in the National Football League. And we come to you live as always from the seaport district appear seventeen brought to you by chase. You went to sleep with one huge deal. You woke up to another one entirely. It's a blockbuster day in the National Football League. Odell traded the Cleveland what are the giants doing even Vaneau and other brands now dare we say as Super Bowl team. And then that guy Levy on bell, the jets ring the bell is this the beginning of a new era where did let me on just not have anywhere else to go as the new league. Here begins who were the winners who are the losers. You've seen what happened. Now, you'll hear from everybody on what it all means on get off starting right now the bell was wrong at twelve twenty AM eastern time. That's when Adam Schefter tweeted out the words the jet fans like me been waiting to hear for what feels like our entire lives Levy on bell four years, fifty two and a half million dollars max value of sixty one million with incentives. He's guaranteed. Thirty five shabby joins us live just a while ago here on Gedeh. Greeny Lebanon bills agents spent the better part of yesterday trying to drum up interest across the league. And Levy on Belle really was talking to the jets. There was some other teams like the forty Niners raiders monitoring the situation waiting to see whether anything could happen. And then shortly after midnight Levy on Bill made the decision to go to the New York Jets you earlier in the day had lost Anthony Barr who had some extra money to find. And then of course when you have a rookie quarterback. And you want us around him with as many weapons as possible. It's a great advantage that Sam darnold is playing on a rookie contract. Because as is the case in Cleveland with Baker Mayfield the Browns can afford to pay too high priced wide receivers and Odell Beckham junior and Jarvis Landry. The jets go out and spend big money on a running back. They did that with levian bell. That deal gets done early this morning. And shortly thereafter Levy unveiled tweeting. I'm back in the green baby. Let's get it. My sentiments exactly not let us welcome. In jets quarterback. Josh mccown. Become a good friend of our show here on get up. Josh we're delighted to get some reaction from you this morning. What was your first thought when you heard the jet signed Levy on bell? Well, just like everybody else I'm excited if your jet standing part of the organization, you're excited to add a player of that magnitude. And and and so I'm thrilled for what it means for for our team what it means for Sam. And and and you know, coach gays an office have got coming in here that can knows how to use the running back. So it's it's great for all parties. Can you be specific with that? Because you have been working closely with same darnold, and Dan or Alaska just did a terrific video breakdown. But in your own words, how would you describe what a player with the talents of Levy on bell can mean to the development of a young quarterback like Sam darnold? Well, here's what he means. You know, we talked about it at after the season when Sam came in after the injury and play he was processing lot faster getting getting the ball down the running back on first and second down and base downs. Not forcing the ball. This'll this'll add to that. Because it's one thing to tell a young guy. Hey, you gotta you gotta process quicker. You gotta get to the backs. But when you don't have the right guy, or when you don't have a playmaker underneath that that affects you sometimes when you wanna make the big play when you got a guy Levy on bail who can who can you can check down to go out and make plays. It just gives you comfort on young quarterback to process quicker and to get value out of the passing game in that regard. So I'm excited for salmon his growth with additional Levy on. And let me on bells, obviously, a huge name, huge personality. And we've seen the things that have gone on in his past. How would you describe the jets locker room, and how you expect that to mix while I think it'll be great. You know, there's there's there's an opportunity here. You know, when you had a great player like that the thing that turning forward. You know, you got a new head coach you had a player like levian offensively. It's only going to be good for us moving forward for for those guys in and and I think he'll step right? In guys understand, you know, he he stood on principle. He took a year off on principle. What he believed his value was and and that that takes a lot. And so I think gosh respect it. And then we understand it's a business. It's a good move for him. I think to to move on from Pittsburgh into land new spot. And so we're excited to having. Josh, thanks a million for doing this. We appreciate it. We'll see you soon as you can get back in here. Hopefully sometime soon thanks to me. And let's go to the table here with the dance again or Laskey and Grazziano tell you what happened until you. What it? Well, let me go to you. I think the perception around the league is if you look at the numbers that that Levy on bell winds up getting clearly the offers he was expecting or at least hoping for we're not out there for him is that reasonable. Yeah. Everything we understand is the Pittsburgh was offering more a year ago two years ago, then then he ended up taking, but we'll wait to see the real numbers. Right. The hard numbers on the contract guarantee was a big part of the issue with levian bell. And Pittsburgh Steelers only guarantee signing bonus. That's the way they do their contracts. So at this jets contract guarantees in this you salary next year salaried cetera. You can understand why it would be better deal than what he thought was on the table from Pittsburgh. And is there any concern about a guy who maybe didn't get everything that he wanted? He dropped a rap album overnight, which is good for him. He's got other things going on. But is there any concern of any kind that you would have about all of those sort of peripheral things I would be there would be a little trepidation because his values never going to be high. I mean, he's coming off a thirteen hundred yard eighty-five catch. Season in two thousand seventeen so he's never going to be better than that. I mean, you can't imagine in. So if his performance was as high as it was ever going to be and he didn't get the money that he necessarily wanted if I'm leaving on. What else do I have to do now that being said athletes use a lot of different things for motivation? And so he can use this as something to go. I'm gonna make sure that everyone's proved wrong that I'm the best player in the NFL and go out and prove it week after week after week because he's still is rows of the young and maybe can hit again. But I I don't have a ton of concern about it. I believe that lady on bells a hard working guy that is committed to his craft and wants to be one of the greats. He talked about his admiration for Curtis Martin. And that was one of the reasons why shows the jet, so it's not a huge concern amount. Say it again he ever just more yards rushing per game than Emmitt Smith. He ever just more catches per game than Terrel Owens. He is both a hall of fame running back and a hall of fame receiver all in one. He is a weapon they don't get paid that way. Obviously, what reaction you're hearing around the sport to this deal. Well, again, Levy Bill, I think people. Thought the market was not going to be what he wanted it to be. And I think you get the I told you so's now. Right. I mean, this is still a pretty sweet deal. Right. It's it's a better than David Johnson on average annual value, and he's the second highest paid running back behind Todd Gurley. The thought was that teams were going to say to Levy unbalances agent. No girly deals and outline or the Rams went too far. We can't negotiate off of that list, negotiate off David Johnson. Instead that appears to be what happened again as we heard Adam earlier, it didn't seem like there were a ton of teens willing to compete financially with the jets, and of course, that kept the price from being his dream prices. Well, let's remind everybody how good this dude is though I mean, there's not many that create their own holes likely on bell. There's not there's not a lot of vaccine fell that make something out of nothing likely be on belt. There's not a lot of backs that you can take them and put them out wide receiver and not feel bad. If it's cornerback out there. Good cover safety because you have enough trust that he'll win and man to man coverage. There's not a lot of backs. Good in the screen game in honestly, not many. There's not a lot of backs is good blitz protection. He's a complete all around football player that the jets for in many ways, stole value. They got him in Vegas deal fantastic football player and he's going to help a young quarterback immensely. That's the key thing for people to remember March is not necessarily all about how good the player is. It's how interested and how many teams are interested C J Moseley's getting seventeen million dollars a year. Try flowers getting eighteen million dollars a year. Those guys good enough to justify those salaries. Nobody teams were bidding obviously, not the same with Le vian bell. Although again, we should all be so unfortunate in terms of now. So that's the deal. You're waking up to this morning. How about the one? You went to sleep to last night. All gel Beckham junior traded to Cleveland, the giant sending him to the ground. He played in twelve games last year after coming back broken ankle caught seventy seven passes for over a thousand yards. The numbers say he's the most productive receiver through his tenure. This point in the history of the National Football League. What's the deal? If you haven't seen it. Let me show it to you. The giants will receive the Browns first round pick this year. That's number seventeen overall their second third round pick this year, which is ninety five overall and safety Gibril peppers now, we will remind you the giants general manager Dave Gettleman has not been talking a whole lot about making this deal. In fact, they've been busy doing a lot of other things they last year took saquon Barkley number two overall at a time when a lot of people wondered if they would wind up taking a quarterback in that spot. They decided not to do it. Instead they sign Odell Beckham last year to a five year ninety five million dollar extension. It came right before the start of the regular season member. He had been injured the year before they've been all those questions. Now, they've decided not to bring back. Landon Collins the safe you signs a monster deal in Washington. And so they're letting some people go the letting talent co two leading money walk out the door, and it did make a whole lot of sense perhaps to have del Beckham junior on their squad. And so they make the trade yesterday sending him to the. Cleveland browns. I will remind you their general manager, Dave gentlemen, Ethicon mine. So we're talking like two weeks ago said this. I'll say this. It's a repeat of what I said at my post-season presser we didn't sign Odell to trade him. Okay. So I know that's all over the place. So understand that. That's the all ends say about that. Okay. So Cape said that and then two weeks later seems to have changed his mind or whatever I'm not in the business of calling people out for saying things that are untrue at this time of year in the NFL because everyone is doing it for their own reasons. So let's find out. What is true Dan grassy? I know how did this happen? It's all based on conversations. I've had in the last half a day with people involved with the teens people close situation. The giants were not out there. Trying to trae Odell Beckham we're not soliciting offers. They were getting interest teams were calling. Then there's one person I talked to this morning said when teams are calling. It's always important to listen, especially when you find yourself as they do in rebuild mode. The Browns were aggressive Brown's bed called the Steelers. See if they can get Antonio Brown's dealers said, no we're not going to trade them in the division. Browns. Didn't love the free agent crop of wide receivers wanted to do it by trade Beckham the biggest prize. So they they kept after the giants around the time of the combine the giants made the decision and ownership got on board. Hey, we're in full rebuild mode. This is something we have to consider if the price is right. So they listed the forty Niners. Where a team that was in their first round pick the number two overall pick. They weren't going to give that buffalo checked in their pick number nine. They weren't willing to offer that so this number seventeen overall pick this first round or Cleveland had plus the giants value Gebreel peppers as a first round pick. He was two years ago. They really like him. He's jersey kid, you know, he's a little bit younger than Landon Collins, and obviously cheaper they felt like they could replace him there. So they end up taking it seriously as of yesterday. Right. And they like the Browns offer the Brown say, okay? Shop at one last time. See what you can do. And then get back to us because we gotta make some other decisions. Maybe they're on tyrel Williams as a free agent. So giants ultimately decided this was the right way to go to first round picks now plus peppers, plus a third round or plus by the way, they undid the picks that they sent to the Browns last week and the alleviate Vernon Kevin Zeitler trade. Now, they're back in the fourth round Cleveland's back in a fifth. So they. I felt like they got a good return as one person they're put it to me. We did a lot better than Pittsburgh. Did the no question about that? Pittsburgh again, getting three and a five French on your Brown who was older let let me ask you this. Because when you say things like they weren't out there looking to shop him, but they were fielding calls. Well, I'm sure that people are calling Kansas City about Patrick Mahomes. Right. But they're not answering the phone. So if all these people are calling the giant they had to be sending out some signal that they were open for business. Yes. Louis Riddick put it. Well earlier in the show, if you don't you don't want to trade him, you not picking up the phone. So they're picking up. But again, the giants believe they're in a tear down mode. So you have a high price guy on your roster. You know, maybe the coaching staff has found him a little bit dicey to deal with here and there and not that that was the driving force. But a factor. Right. When you when you sit down and consider should we do this? So yeah, I think it was never a absolutely not. We sat here yesterday less than twenty four hours ago. Right. Why are they going to do this? And the answer was they're not trying to but they're not ruling it out completely. That was the frame of mind the giants took with this. And ultimately, they believe that they're better off for having said yes to this. And we'll find out the part of it. I love I understand what you're saying. But, but there is something in the parsing of words of we're not ruling it out completely once you're not ruling the chiefs of ruled out trading. Patrick. Like oh Delgada. No matter the point is people. I'm sure calling people all the time. You're either in business and look to trade a guy or you're not right? They were obviously willing to move on from Odell Beckham. And probably for a lot of reasons that make a lot of sense being told Ryan Clark's. Okay. Great. I got our C ready to go here. I want to bring you went on two separate things since we're talking about Dell let's start there. He's in LSU guy urine LSU guy you've known him since he was a kid. What do you make of him being traded to Cleveland yesterday? You know, it's something that to me. I didn't really think was a possibility until it was a possibility. I agree with you. And Dan in a sense that if you're not saying no to a trait you're saying that we're willing to get something done. And that's exactly what the giants were doing this. And I think he's a generation of talent. I think Beckham Julia is the most explosive wide receiver in the league. And you know, when you look at the Tonio Brahma tree look at the Amari Cooper trade. And you look at what the giants got back form. I mean, it seems like the compensation that you take. But are you willing to get rid of a guy who could be a hall of Famer? And I know there are some other things off the field that they may not like dealing with. But it's just difficult for me to trade away this type of talent. Because even though you get you get a first round pick. You get a later pick in the draft when you get Djibril peppers. I still don't think you can be sure that that replaces what? Although Beckham junior can do for you in between the lines. Ryan, let me ask you this. Because you also Jarvis Landry there. Obviously another guy that the old teammates. What does this make Cleveland? Now, here's a team that is a year removed from being Owen sixteen but you look at what they put together there. What are the Browns right now be feels team right there? The Baker Brown's you know, they drafted Baker Mayfield. And they put some pieces around him. You have so been joke who you have Jarvis Landry in the slide. And now you go out and get although Beckham junior. Oh, by the way, Kareem hunt is now a part of this roster. So this team is loading up offense for their young quarterback. And we've seen so many teams be successful. When they have great quarterbacks on their rookie contracts, which Baker Mayfield will be for the next two to three years. And so if you're a decent coordinated and AFC north or an AFC in general, you have to be nervous when you going to play this team. What are you gonna do stag nine in the box play punt coverage on outside or they'll Beckham. Julia and try to figure it out. Have enough people. So this team is going to be scary. Oh, an engineer so far departure from what they were two years ago under Hugh Jackson. It's unbelievable and they were oh in sixteen season ago. And here they are legitimate Super Bowl contenders. At least on paper in the AFC. Let me then segue you over to Levy on bell, Agasi, reformer Steeler. And you know, the circumstances. They well, I think he played one season with bell. If memory serves correctly. What do you make the way this whole thing plays out winding up with him signing with the jets overnight? You know, it kind of feels like this is always a foregone conclusion we had had to wait a little longer than we thought for the jets to be announced as the team, but he's been linked to them forever. I think once Anthony Barr backs out of his his agreement with the jets. They they know they had the cap space to go out and get them. Then you look at it from the levian Ville point of view, he he could have gotten three four forty five in Pittsburgh. Right. So now, you say is missing out on fourteen million in a whole sees. Of football worse. The deal you got. And I think he went with what he thought was the best deal. I think I believe he went with the most money. But sometimes when you get on the Mark read, it you realize that what you thought of yourself not everybody else thinks of the same things monetarily. But when you look at the jets, and what you've now done for your young quarterback your quarterback who green has now named two of his children after you get him. When piece that is very vital to him and his success his progression. And also, Adam Ghaith now, you have something you can focus on I'll sensitively, you know, where to start you know, where to end and it's with Levy on Bill. Yeah. T tell us from defensive players perspective. We've had a lot of quarterbacks on here. So far this morning. Our last game mechanic and others from a defense of players perspective. What does Levy on bell do all week long? What do you have to be thinking about all week long as you get sent to play against the jets? Now, listen, I could be honest with you, the probably most simple yet, most important decision or conversations Choi problem. Liu. And I had when we play guys like Adrian Peterson Dany and Thomas it, and that conversation would simply be in the meeting room Choi RC, how are we going to tackle them? Right. Because you gotta figure out a way to get these guys on the ground. You know, you're going to be space. And when there's somebody who physically puts that done in your head. That's a difficult thing every week. And now you look at a schematic and strategic standpoint with all the ways you can line Levy on bell up starting out at the number one receiver motion back into the Bank show. Now, you know, what the coverage is on when Sam darnold gets in trouble late in down and having Levy on bail on the underneath routes in the options versus linebacker, which he wins ninety nine percent of the time. He's a match up nightmare. And he's the guy who wins each and every matchup in different ways because he's so physically gifted and so now you give them not only security blanket, but you get the defensive coordinator who are facing the New York Jets a lot of problems and cigarette on how scheme Levy on bell. And also on the other side trying to. You don't enforce it meant to young quarterback mistakes. I twelve on. Thank you so much. I appreciate the time very much in your perspective on these huge stories from around the National Football League. I'll take it back to the table. And that is an interesting way of looking at it from a defensive standpoint. And if you're Adam gays, and we know what that offensive I know what the offense is. And you do too that we've seen in Miami. But can you explain for the audience who doesn't know that offense levian Bellevue? Okay. Perfect peace for what Adam gates likes to jab -solutely and now Adam gays skits, the sit in your I've said this on this show before he gets to come in on a Monday and run his offense through lady on bell. Okay. What are the first down plays that we wanna make sure that lady on is going to be a part of our we'll go to the run game inside zone or outside. Don't do. We want to get him on the edge. Did we want to get him out in space? Maybe thrones screens make sure he's part of check down. So Adam gates now has that guy that he can build his offense through and then also on those third down red zone situations the the broken plays again for Sam darnold. Adam gates is going to be able to sit there and go, you know, what? On third downs we on involved in here red zones we want. On involved this way and say don't forget he's going to be in Sam darnold zero time. You've got navy on don't forget about later on. It's going to be out there for you. Those are going to be huge for that often. So fans of the New York Jets are excited fans of the Cleveland Browns are excited and that brings us to this meanwhile on planet earth after dropping thirty five points in a win, Ohio native CJ McCollum had this reaction. So the Adele Beckham trade. For your Cleveland Browns that have anything to do with your performance. I man I'm happy for my guys man on my fans out there, and you know, northeast Ohio we've been struggling struggling on Sundays alone time. Now this last year, we turned it around. And I'm looking forward to the future is very bright. And we got some great acquisitions we've got some great internal development looking forward to the new coaching staff who was already here last season. John Dorsey shots with my guy. He's making moves to Margai twos. Man, LBJ welcome jokes. Let's get it. So he's excited. And so is LeBron James you see what he said, oh, my stuff trescott real two guys have been spending a lot of time together. And now OB J replaces LBJ in Cleveland as we continue trading. Odell that latest biggest move for the Browns. They're we say they Asuka bowl team. We'll go there for reaction and levian takes the huge risks. It says the season was it worth the answers to those questions and more. We thank you for getting up with us in our coverage continues in a moment on ESPN. Live coverage all morning long the enormous stories in the National Football League today. And I candy as del Beckham is traded away from the New York Giants. We'll give you one last look at his single greatest highlight many of said, it's the greatest catch of all time, and rightfully so. And it will be I think the one that we remember gel Beckham best four in New York has team didn't win as many games. They would have liked, but he sure made a lot of spectacular plays. He's now a Cleveland Brown, and we're covering that all morning long with you here on get up with the Dan's, Grazziano, and Orlovsky and many more. We're going to go live to Cleveland with an insider with the latest on the Browns perspective on this deal. Carl banks with perspective on the giants. The big swag looks at all we continue in a moment. It's get up on ESPN. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when an in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer. Piteously ina. Most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Breaking news from the NFL. The giants have agreed to trade. Del Beckham genius to the grounds your Cleveland Brown fan. It's time to be excited right now. Back and reunited Jarvis Landry is former LSU college teammate this team is dangerous. Let me show you that front page of this morning's Cleveland Plain Dealer, blockbuster Brown's fag Beckham, I love the alliteration. And I love the enthusiasm in that city. Mary Kay cabinet is going to join us live now, she's covered the Browns for twenty five years for the Plain Dealer. She wrote the front page article this morning Mary. Thank you. As always listen. I cannot believe I'm asking you this question because a year ago at this time the Browns were coming off being alw- in sixteen. But do they suddenly have the feel of a legit Super Bowl contender in the AFC? You know, I think he would have to say that -solutely. Yes. On that. I think that this trade puts them right up there with some of the best offenses in the NFL. You're having to look at offenses like the chiefs the Rams the patriots this catapults them into that elite category. And you know, there's still more to come. I don't even think they're done yet. What does that mean? Give us a little taste of what else they may have working there in Cleveland from what you're hearing. Well, first of all they signed Kareem hunt. But, you know, nobody's really even factor him into this yet, you know, he will be suspended for for some of the season. But once he comes back he adds another dynamic runner to this program. So I really think that John Dorsey has a symbol the powerhouse offense that he did in Kansas City. And where does that leave? Freddie kitchens new coach first time head coach, obviously enormous expectations. What do you think that looks? Like from the standpoint of the new head coach. Well, Freddie kitchens and Baker Mayfield had to be to the happiest people in America right now. I mean, they have they've got Jarvis Landry. They've got Odell Beckham junior and Baker Mayfield. Obviously can get the ball to these guys anywhere on the football field. Freddie likes to run a high flying offense. And I think that these guys are going to make a lot of noise this year and quickly in a city in a sports Margaret than just loss. Lebron James what kind of reaction are you hearing from the fans in Cleveland onto bringing in this mega star. Like, oh, well, you know, you go from LBJ to OB, Jay. And you know that one letter difference. I think fans are very very excited here it really puts Cleveland back on the map again gets fans all excited, and you know, I think all is in the football world. We'll be on Cleveland the season. No question about it. Mary kay. We always appreciate the perspective. Thanks so much. Thank you. Putting all the antics aside. Odell Beckham junior can just play. He's averaged over ninety two receiving yards a game in his career second highest in NFL history. He has forty four receiving touchdowns in fifty nine career games since the merger. The only player with more was rob gronkowski. Randy moss, and Jerry Rice. So it three players with more. He also has the ability to make a plight. His twelve touchdown catches of at least twenty yards after the catch are the most since he entered the league in two thousand fourteen and his Mary Kay alluded to the reaction, fast and furious, and Cleveland and New York listen to this. What? I am disgusted it print and the ark of giant intelligence have been relevant to half. You. I've been through. The two thousand eighteen. He wanted. Enjoy are you into John doors? What they gone I wanna get the Vegas. Got the closet. Larry good in the more. I'm walking into my father. I'm paying babies down three per month. Block o. So we heard from the Brown side of this. Let's go to the giant side of this. Carl banks was terrific linebacker for the giants forever. Does their games other radio? Now, Carl thanks for jumping in here with me for a minute. What is your initial reaction last night? When you hear the news Odal traded away was the first thought in your mind. Wow. Simple as that. It was while I was walking on an airplane and someone called me. And I was like, wow. I cannot believe that. I am. I was shocked. I was shocked to be honest with you. It leaves a lot of people wondering where the giants see themselves now that they've done some things over the course of the last year or two that made you think they think they're a win. Now team. Clearly, this is a move in the other direction. So what are the giants right now? Well, I think their their team that is without the most dynamic obviously ver- in in football. But I do believe that they believe they have a plan. Now, we lost find out how plan shapes up, but you know, clearly Odell Beckham is irreplaceable. You can get that production from you know, other areas of the football team, but there's not one that impacts the game like oh del Beckham. So they've moved on from that. And let's see what the plan is. But I do believe that they Gettleman our time a plan. We'll find out if that plan comes before I you know, you win and lose games on the football field. So let's see what the product is when the season stars. But you know, I can clearly identify where the giant fans that are having no down right now. It's a tough time for them. They don't understand it and one more for you. Because the only person who impacts the game more gas than Odell is the quarterback. Where does this leave Eli manning? What do you expect the giants to do about the quarterback position between now and the start of the season? About a great question. I don't know. But I believe that they're going to bring another quarterback in either via draft or tree. I think the time for transition is now, no one place forever. And I think I understand that. But they've got to get they've gotta get a successor in place. And I think that has to be before the season starts now. I call super quickly expect that to be in the draft or do you think they'll make a deal? Well, they try and get Dwayne Haskins. Josh Rosen is out there, which do you expect them to do? I think it's it's probably fifty fifty or Rosen. I think it's asking that they had to really look at it. Because they've got a lot of draft choices now to position themselves to get whatever they want fair enough Karl thank you million for jumping. And we'll see you soon. Thank you. Thank you Carl banks with us again as close to the giants as you can be a reminder, our NBA Wednesday doubleheader tonight it starts in. Okay. Seeing nets taken on Russell Westbrook and the thunder. And then after that what a great matchup is at west warriors and staff heading to Houston taking on harden. And the rockets both games are here on ESPN, and you can catch all the action on the ESPN app. We're going inside these deals in a minute. You know, Odell Jarvis Landry used to be teammates. The former Tigers reunite we have a former tiger the big swag with his thoughts on all of this. Joining us net on ESPN. Back on get up. He went to sleep with the news that Odell Beckham betrayed into Cleveland. You wake up to the news that eleven on bell has signed with the jets. Let's go backwards. He sat out all of last year after refusing to sign the franchise tag joining Dan Williams and nine hundred ninety eight and Sean Gilbert ninety seven as the only players to sit out a season after being tagged when he's played he's been ridiculously good from two thousand thirteen to seventeen he averaged over eighty six yards a game on the ground. Second. Most in the league only Zeke Elliott averaged more over that span. His numbers are off the charts everywhere, and he'll certainly be an upgrade where he goes. The jets average just under four yards rushing last year that was ranked fourth worst in the National Football League. I want to bring my friend, Marcus fears, the big swag who into the conversation on that note, we will get to your LSU friends in a moment here. But let's start with this. What is your reaction levian bell on the jets? What do you think it means? The I league it means is got his money, and and he's happy, and obviously he went after the money. Look he makes the jets. Mmediately better than people talking about. Well, what what you've made the way he opens up this offense the way he's explosive and remember before say Kwon Barkley last year. This was the most productive running back in the NFL in passing yards and rushing yards. So let me unveil changes Nimick of what you can do offensively. And he also has a decent guy. He also helps you on defense because you know, what he does as well. As anybody g he extends drives he keeps back guys like myself on the sideline. So we can catch our breath and be ready to go back out. And let's talk about what the fact guys like on that side of the ball also have to spend all week worrying about what is it like game planning for and being on the field against a running back like that? Why I can tell you what it's like because I've experienced when I was with the Baltimore Ravens. We play lady on bail. And he his running style is as difficult to figure out throughout the course of a game, you love keys as defensive line. And you love to know what the bag has it's in the. Of doing labia Bill is the most patient wait and see running back that placed in my whole nine year career, and he's so tough to get to the ground is just so confused in the way, he buys time in the backfield. And then explodes like these shot out of the cannon out of out of the back of it's unbelievable. It's uncanny. Actually when you're on the field. It looks like he's running in mode, and then he's gone. And what does he do for the quarterback? Obviously a second year guy in darnold who showed a lot of promises a lot of flashes. What does he do for the quarterback will green? And you you have kids. I have kids you ever heard of a Blanke. That's what he is. He's a Blanke for Sam darnold. He's he's four young quarterback to have such a dynamic back that he can door check down to. And it turns into a gain of twenty or at turns into a touchdown in turns into just a first down pickup. We always talk about it. And Dan always in there right now, you can talk about what water back staying on schedule lady on Bill creates of the Bill. For you to stay on schedule within offense of drive and gives you an opportunity for an explosive play. When you only made a five yard dump down past those guys are game changers. For guys like Sam darnold who hadn't had the ability at wide receiver with an explosive guy. So you dump it down the lady on bail, and it may turn into a fifty or game. And then get you on schedule a lot. So that's the news that broke in the middle of the night. Now, let's go to the other enormous story which happened several hours earlier, and that was the giants trading. Odell Beckham junior to Cleveland, they get in return a first third and Gebreel peppers. That's the trade. It allows the Browns to pair Beckham not only with Baker Mayfield. But to reunite him with his closest friend and former LSU teammate Jarvis Landry. I look at you, Marcus. And I know that the LSU pride is is just using out of your every one of those two guys together an old picture that you put up there and you'll see they've known each other literally that long and now they're United as maybe the most dynamic. Receiving duo in the National Football League as we speak. What do we say of the Cleveland Browns as of right? This moment Marcus, what are they from an office perspective contenders? Look we just saw with eighty reading again city, and behold say that whole thing everybody's in on Baker Mayfield. And look for everybody. That's asking the question of how is Baker Mayfield. And pretty kitchens going to keep these guys. Happy Joris Landry and odeal Beckham want to see each other half success just as much as their own personal success. And then you're talking about in joke who at tight end. So might feel right now is coming into the season saying that I'm self. I mean to be a distributor, I need to be ignored. I don't need the lock in the one guy and throw him the ball to try to get us wins. I need to be a distributor to all of these weapons that I have no by the way nature of in the backfield Kareem hunt in the backfield. But but let's go let's go a bit further g Cleveland went through too. Great wide receivers at certain junctures in their careers to get to this point. So John Dorsey has been on a mission to get old Dale Beckham. He ended up with the most dynamic receiver in the NFL. He brought Josh Gordon back. They bought dance brand into see if that's energy will work into try to him with the Cleveland Browns and you end up with Dale Beckham junior pair Jarvis Landry two number ones through prolific is in the NFL. I'm ecstatic about it. And the only thing that just off about is. I have to be a slight Cleveland Browns fan. And so now, I'll make you more than it's like Cleveland Browns fan because he's sort of quantified. It said I fence over there. A contender Vegas says they're all of a sudden one of the best teams in the NFL are the Cleveland Browns a jet Super Bowl contender. Right this minute. Yes, they are. And you look at what the defense was able to do less you. This is a really good defense hand by Myles Garrett. Who's going to be a super? Or star in this league. But beyond all of that greeny, we look at you. And I had a conversation about a month and a half ago in the NFL you cannot buy Super Bowls. It just doesn't happen. We've seen Bill Belichick win with guys that were on minimum wage when you talk about the NFL with high production. But now you look at Cleveland you look at the youth. You look at the ability to get the ball downfield with Baker Mayfield and more than anything. You look at changing the narrative about the Cleveland Browns. Right. They are the go-to spot. Now Monday night. We'll be there with Monday night football Thursday night football to be there Sunday night football there. They are layered with superstars who want to win. Let's not get missed his through the giants. Obviously didn't like the relationship between Odell Beckham and themselves. But one thing you cannot question about Odell Beckham. Julia he wants to win every football game. He plays in Jarvis Landry has the same type of mentality where he's out. On the football field. Baker Mayfield has proven over time to be a winner. And we want to see him take the next step and become one of those elite quarterback. It's a hell of a combination. They got right now in Cleveland with the right mentality the play remarkable markets. So well done. Thank you, my friend for jumping in here. Let me bring it to the table here. It's incredible. To me that we're talking about a team that was Owen sixteen a year ago. And now here they are legit Super Bowl contender. And I'll bring Jalen and here because in your sport they've been putting together super teams for a long time. All of a sudden that might be sort of the vote, right? The Rams they went for it last year. They brought in all these guys. Now the Browns maybe the NFL is taking a little bit of a page out of the NBA's book well with the fascination is when your quarterback is on rookie deal, and you feel like your quarterback can really get it done. That's the time to go all in. It's a salary cap driven sport. And history has shown me as a lions fan. I love Calvin Johnson. I love Larry FitzGerald. But when those two teams committed big dollars to those players at wide receiver. They were not able to build out the rest of their roster. The same for teams that have high salary quarterbacks one. The patriots are an outlier because Tom Brady takes a discounted salary. So they can still build their roster. Now the Browns are able to do that. Because Baker Mayfield showed them. He has the goods in markets kind of mentioned like you can buy Super Bowls championships in the NFL the difference with the Browns and this situation compared to so many other teams that have tried to do is John Dorsey like you don't have to worry about being a bad drafter look at what he did last year. Baker Mayfield one everyone criticized it Denzel awarded for everyone was like, wait. You took Denzel ward he's looks to be a premier corner Calloway gotten like the fifth round out of Florida. And so it's not necessarily buying stuff. It's like you've got a general manager that's proven again, he built the chiefs in large part to what they sit where they sit nowadays. So it's there's nothing to be concerned about to your point. Jay like they've got the quarterback. They've got the cap space to do it. Now. They're all in. It's go time. Like, the Rams were lashed Dorsey is generally managed his way into the hall of fame. If this thing works, what's the reaction around the league quickly? I'm what Cleveland is done. People are amazed and impressed jailings. Right. You have to have a rookie core a quarterback on his rookie deal to pull off the super team idea. But they also have Myles Garrett on a rookie deal. Tens award on a rookie star level players on that side of the ball. I think people are excited to see what at all. What at all? How it all comes together? Under a first time head coach. That's the question. Can you manage it all that will be Freddie kitchens if it goes badly? We'll we'll see what was happening. But they've got so many players that take me to them in talent. And now the superstar Odell Beckham is almost like an NBA level superstar running in the National Football League. Now, he goes of new place with something to prove what do you make of the mentality o? They'll Beckham situation is a perfect example. How guy who showed terrific promise as a football player was also able to take advantage of the market in New York City elevate himself into somebody that endorse products with the best of them in the NFL. But the. Giants were not winning. Now. All of a sudden you transferred that exact same celebrity to Cleveland and there are Super Bowl contending team. It continues to show winning is going to always Trump your market is so many times people think playing large market is what's going to elevate a player, but actually winning is always the thing that catapults your brand. And he's been hanging around a lot with LeBron James and we've seen them on the TV show and everything else, and it feels like there has been some mentor ship there. Right. It feels like there is a relationship there that is significant. Absolutely. And don't underestimate the fact that he's playing with Jarvis Landry. And we're Cevers can be devious. These guys are best friends. So now all of a sudden the quarterback doesn't have to deal with the headache of trying to force feed. One of these guys the ball in their incredible workers your players Odell Landry and Baker are your best workers. Now, everybody in your organization falls in line for the next decade like for the next decade with this crew. It is hard to. Again. I just can't say it enough times. This is a franchise that was the worst in sports, and it wasn't even close all of a sudden they feel like a legit Super Bowl contender in twelve months. Coming up next is a big day in sports coming up today as well about ten minutes ago. Cuyler Murray arrived at the facility for Oklahoma's pro day, he'll be out there in front of all the scouts today. He'll be throwing the football and more. Does he make himself in number two long? Sure. We hope you will get up with us tomorrow morning bell Brown Becca. Now, they've all found new homes. We'll have your NFL winners and losers. The Dan's will be here. Cuyler Murray has pro day starts shortly. That's convenient. We'll keep an eye on that. And warriors rockets a huge matchup tonight. Jalen will break that down for all that and more tomorrow morning. We'll also talk about college basketball because champ week is back that continues today at the New York life ACC tournament second round games. First game tips at noon eastern, Clemson ticket on NC state, then Miami and Virginia Tech it's all on ESPN, and it's all on the ESPN app. If you're on the go today, you can watch it no matter where you are. And what you're doing? And also, we'll have as I mentioned Marie updates. We've got this picture of him. He's arrived at the facility there's a little while ago. Carla Maria Jalen has some questions about the length of the shorts. Gotta help him out. But one way or another he's going to be there. They're going to way and he's going to throw the football and scouts from every team in the National Football League. Are there to see it? And you can see it to live coverage of Colin Murray's pro day starts at noon eastern. That's on ESPN two. We'll of course. Have a lot of coverage of it here. And it's another interesting phenomenon like Collor Murray. Maybe Arizona really believes in him. But you're in a sport. Now where Zion Williamson whether teams think he's going to be the best pro we're not gonna take him because he's got that star factor in the NFL is going that way to it is. And if I was drafting number one in the NBA, I actually would not want the number one pick. And if I'm Arizona to be honest when you just took roles in last year. Okay. The fire your coach not of a sudden you take him number one. They clearly need some level of direction to franchise in a state of complete flood. What do you think what are you hearing around the league about the significance of Marie today? His pro I mean, look if he lights it up as people would expect him to then Arizona might get calls about that number one pick. You know, I it's he's a guy that people want to like, you know, when he measured the right numbers at the combine people were happy because it takes away a reason not to draft you watch his tape. And you fall in love people are excited about him. What he can do with his arm what he can do with his legs. So I think he'll. Today. It'll be he'll be on the last picture seeing are from this morning again. This is this is at his school where the controlled environment this is just moments ago ham as he's arriving there. And again, Dan you've been to Brock breaking him down. Like crazy. You love 'em. Right. You don't need your soul hundred percent on Kylie Murray. One hundred percent. I can't get the Pixar ready made from me, I'll say this. If he runs today and if he runs low four fours or sniffs the four threes, there's only cardinals are going to plenty of phone calls because throwing the ball. He's going to be ref taking today, and what we don't know is do they want the calls or do? They wanna make the pick. And trae Josh Rosen. We'll have answers. Thank you so much spending this morning with us. We'll see tomorrow. I take starts now.
Hour 2: Celtics Feeling the Heat
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Yes I know the candidate of heroes we'll see if the Yankees can do it because he's jet certainly aren't going to give it to us We've got bart. Scott former jet coming up at seven fifteen, A. M. Eastern. We'll talk football with him what we saw from Baker and borough last night I wanna talk to you about what you've seen from the Miami. Heat here I want you to listen to this Tim Legler. He was on the Scott Van Pelt after the game on sportscenter. Last night that saying Jimmy Butler we've all been praising him for everything that he's done changing the culture, all of that. The alignment with Riley The Grit, all of that but but legler's most impressed with our former NBA player and currently SPN NBA analyst is the stats stuffer is not there for Jimmy Butler the someone always be there but all the intangible certainly are he's reading a game as long as it's worked with other guys he really doesn't care about his numbers that's exactly and he's still playing hard at the other end, and then he knows I'm going to have a moment here where you're going to need me and he. had. Huge defensive plays late in this game that led to some offense for him as well. Know big take in a one on one situation against tatum him. So he knows he can go to that well when he needs to, which is a very rare thing for guys to have five six shots like tonight I think seven shots going into the fourth quarter most stars you know maybe the rhythms not there tonight if you do that just doesn't seem to be the case, Jimmy Butler and. Yet everybody else's picking up the slack and you just see how connected they are man. This team really likes playing playing together tomorrow night game three, it'll be on ESPN. In prime time to see if the heat can go up three Oh when they've been up to they've never lost a playoff series. That's all fine and good against the Boston Celtics. But key if you're saying, they happen to run up against the Bron James Anthony. Davis had Los Angeles Lakers doing all the little things. It'd be a big thing. No, it really the the problem with that is you know Jimmy score fourteen points last night doing the little things as great like you said, against the Celtics Fourteen points against the Lakers that's not going to get it done when you got to combine, let's just give it a combined a D. Lebron James Anywhere from fifty three to sixty points plus a game. You're going to get that from these two guys in then when you add rob playoff, Rondo mix it. Now we got a three headed monster. You don't have that luxury in Miami it's just what it is and Jimmy Butler hasn't seen in these playoffs a Lebron James. At the into games, he just hasn't seen who has he seen, Lebron James at the INDIE Games. There's no Lebron so no or anything even remotely close to that I can lock up diamant one possession it's so you know all due respect to Jimmy Jimmy. He's doing a terrific job like you said, all the grid, the culture change and people following his lead. This is the great story about where Jimmy has come from in his stops and to arrive in Miami and get them on the brink of or two games away from seeing the Lakers. In the NBA finals even on the Lakers haven't played yet. I still feel like going so it is just It's not enough is just not going to be enough. He's GonNa have to do a lot more scoring along with everything else in if he hasn't done it yet I. Don't know if you could just turn switch on like that against Lebron and the type team, a Lakers nuggets game one ESPN radio tonight. So we'll see what ends up happening there. They met in the Oh nine Western Conference Finals Lakers one that that's the last time they met on this particular stage the nuggets have never played in the NBA finals you take a look the other three teams that are. There Celtics Seventeen titles Laker. Sixteen Titus got three for the heat and they're completely different class. Denver just looking to break the seal get there for the first time. Here's the thing that impresses me the most about Miami and just a reminder Bart Scott more football talk coming here in about nine minutes he'll join us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line as we'll all of our guests this morning we gotta talk about Baker Borough in a big big week to Cam and Russell Wilson Monday night between drew brees and the raiders in Las Vegas so much to get the gambling. Lot of gamble. Well, it is Vegas. So and New Orleans. They got casinos riverboat. You got the riverboat gambling going at once again, more football talk on the way to football Friday. So hang tight with us for that. Here's the thing that impresses me the most about heat because if you're the Lakers, you just basically get in there and say, we just rebuild through free agency I mean who doesn't WanNA play for The Lakers right or we can acquire guys, and if we acquire guys, they're not gonNa Balk at going to the Lakers. But if you take a look at the way, the heater belt because it's Miami and guys want to go there, they can get Jimmy Butler but you've got to be able to adjust to the way. Riley wants. This is the perfect temperament. This guy embodies what they want, but they've also found. Duncan Robinson who is a division three player when he started his career, they found Kendrick none who if not for Jamaran in Zion Williamson who all of the oxygen would have been one of the best rookies in basketball this year he was a top five rookie. There's no doubt he played out of the gate. So they're finding guys in the draft they're finding dudes that nobody really wants Dunkin Robinson and then they're. Getting the tier. One guys like Jimmy. Butler their way of building is so unique amongst NBA teams, most teams like Denver. For example, you'll players Lakers tonight totally different. The Lakers get the stars. The nuggets have to pray that they could give Carmelo Anthony Beg him to stay. Well, yeah. In the draft yet, but different but Miami doesn't very different ways but different regions, right of of the country where these teams placed. Don't track high priced free agents they just don't is so you have to build through the draft, the Denver Nuggets, you draft a guy, you develop him. You hope he stays Miami on others like you said, everybody wants to go to Miami whether it's basketball football vacation you WANNA go down to Miami, but when you go to Miami from a basketball so I point. As a free agent, you're talking to a guy not only with three rings in Miami but also the rings in Los Angeles and the pedigree of running an organization in doing right plus he knows the type of individual players that he wants inside of his building and he can deal with coaches in general managers that know what the hell they're doing aren't taking is just. Because they want a certain type of pedigree mindset. That's just the way that they built. You know the thing I love about the heat lastly, and this is something that a lot of people can't admit and people just can't admit mistakes unless you're with us at seven. Oh. Oh, this morning but people can't admit mistakes they signed Hassan whiteside to a gigantic contract and. Then they were like you know what look he's lazy. He doesn't want. He's one dimensional, and this is stuff that Jay Bilas always told us on the program. He just doesn't fit their culture Pat Riley Eric's bolster they can step back Micky Arison the owner of the team they can step back and say, Oh, my goodness how much money did we just give assigned whiteside? Heels flush it, move it. A lot of organizations cannot admit mistakes with us while those organizations are always in neutral right they did they either go a neutral or reverse in football the New York jets they can't embiid their mistakes. So they're either always a neutral or Cohen backwards never going forward when you think about organizations like you said You, you pay a guy, you look up a year or two in and say. It's not for us. It just doesn't work. We overpay at that time because we value we needed it. We were not very good. We had a plan to build and he's not part of our future plants fair enough speaking of the jets still to come the Brown's got much needed. Win last night. Oh, bj showed up. But does that mean he's off the trade block or could that other New York. Team that O B J hasn't played four be interested acquiring him via trade. For Real, we'll talk about that with former Jet Bart Scott. Ever. Wonder just how far extra mile really goes drive a Mercedes Benz van and find out start with a network of over two hundred fifty authorized dealerships backed by a salesforce ready to help with everything from customization to service on vans like the. Mercedes. Benz sprinter, it's tailored to your lifestyle with options like blind spot assist an M. B.. U. X. Voice Command for spoken directions, weather and more. The route is being. calculated. 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That's why we created Ainhoa, the capital one assistant that looks out for surprise credit card charges like over tipping, duplicate charges or potential fraud then sends an alert to your phone and helps if you need to fix them another way capital one is watching out for your money when you're not capital on what's in your Wallet See Capital One dot Com for details. It would just be to fifty nine squirrel, right take us that's the play call that would be typical play call to fifty nine squirrel. So the nine to fifty nine is to the opposite side would be to the left the eight or to the right nine holes odds and evens, right? Okay. So they would go to fifty nine. Squirrel. So the Squirrel would go O B J would run what would be like a squirrel route, which would be an out baker would come up. You have something in the flat something deep now and they probably called I. Don't know their terminology, but we would have called a two, fifty, nine scrolling go or pumping go so. Typically when they're game planning their defense is watching all they're seeing him do is get up to that mark of I dunno eighteen about fifteen to eighteen yards and break out. That's why when he stuttered there that DB. Settled his feet because he was looking for in to come back to the sideline in Pam O B J put foot in the ground gone and you saw me doing I'm sitting there 'cause it's beautiful when that works right that. Is. It's like this is how we doubted up. Perfect flawless Baker didn't get hit didn't get touched. Jada. Pinkett grab it just worked. Perfect. Beauty. Aren't. Perfect this is perfect. It's like all right. That's why I was doing. You're looking at me like, what are you doing? I said there because this is beauty it really was and the day I mean the browns needed it in the worst way coming off a disastrous debut for Kevin Stansky who's Baker's fourth coach in three years they heard just nothing but drama for the last three or four days. Now they get a short week they get the win on the short week. Then they get the long week to relax they got the Washington football team in their own. And then they'll travel no vacations To know just stay right in your city in train in watch film I, don't Wanna see no videos nobody. Never, that none of them had. been a long year alone summer but just they riding in Cleveland right in those little corners go anywhere, right? No Kabo. No need to get an appointment less your family. Needs you watch it'll be. A couple. And deal with social media they'll be spotted. That's for sure. So O B Happy for one night Baker. Happy for one night we're going to get to our Bart Scott here on the Shell Pennzoil performance line he's an eleven year. NFL. That played for Baltimore. Played for the jets he joins us this morning good morning I want to start with you with this. He'll be with us in just a moment Aaron Gold Hammer from our ESPN AFFILIATE ESPN Cleveland Eight fifty was on this morning and we're talking to them and we essentially said look what is Oh BJ's future in Cleveland Yeah it was just one good game, but there's been a ton of drama with a couple of different head coaches and there's some friction with Baker Gold? Hammer. I just WanNa, have this for the listeners that weren't with this morning at at six thirty am eastern because this is really important for anybody listening because this is huge. This is what Aaron Gold, Hammer. Said look sooner or later ob Jay is probably getting traded I. Think based on where the browns are headed i. think that the Browns are gonNA Trade Odell Beckham and it's just a matter of win the finances of this that they have to fifteen million dollar receivers. That's thirty million dollars on receivers that the browns are are saying they also already signed a Kareem. Hunt to a contract extension. Nick Chubb who I think is their best defensive player is coming up on a contract extension. They've paid Garrett One, hundred, twenty, five, million, and if Baker continues to play well, they're gonNA. Have to pay him and I just don't know if they have enough room under the cap for it to make sense and just because Oh del played one good half with Baker which really it was the first half last night. In fact, I don't think Odell even had a ball thrown his way in the second half last night I don't think he is an important enough player to this style of offense and I think if he plays well that his value back in return the browns at some point are GonNa take but I think it's just a matter of when is it? Going to be before the trade deadline, this year is going to be after season. My guests is guys that you're from now Odell Beckham junior is GonNa be playing somewhere, and for more we welcome in Bart Scott on the shell pennzoil performance line barred. I'm sure you were able to hear what are Aaron Gold Hammer from ESPN eight fifteen cleveland. He's been in the city for fifteen years. He the team as closely as anybody that's his opinion as host from the contacts he talks to from a football perspective. Do you agree at this time next year? He'll be somewhere other than Cleveland. Of course, you'll be somewhere in clean because I think that they have a natural out in his contract in two thousand, twenty one that's always been a year that people looked dasell. They're probably trying to figure out how to get value for him before he leaves I think I don't know man I'm still I'm still torn between US only they know how bill access that locker room. And and and what he brings to the table but you expect this offense to be so much more dynamic They had a good play design it yesterday with a double move with speedo coming from the opposite side He still shows ability to to to to stretch to feel make plays, but it just seems like. He's not a guy. The chemistry is right there with him and Landry, and if you can get something for him, he's walking out the door neither no matter what we think I don't think Cleveland's GonNa do well in this division they struggled against a team that's an early in their process and I think if you can try get a chip or get a player or get something in return desperately the best thing to do. Speaking of getting something in return. Bart, you know how we are as players attached to teams or universities. No matter how we left those teams, we still want to see them do well in route will for route to win games we look at Adam case in the New York jets is he the long-term answer? I mean that's a great question and that's what they're trying to find out what I'm looking at. I'm looking at a guy who is and I'm just talking about last night game. That's the only thing I can compare it to right because no way that the Cincinnati bengals offense should look better I know they got a degree, but it shouldn't look better and it shouldn't be farther along in the process with Sam Darnold Wa. Believe is a franchise quarterback that they trust their rookie to throw the ball sixty one times refined any turnovers and it just looks different like it was a professional offense and we just haven't seen that over two years without him gazes offense we don't know if that's A lack of talent but also a lack of imagination. Right? We're waiting to see you know great coaches we've been around them. Right? Great. Coaches are able to adapt their scheme to what they have available to them, and we just haven't Seen Adam Gates of justice system in his scheme to have success. To what he has what he has is he has a solid tied in. He has a what we believe is a you know he was on track to be a hall of fame running back before he decided to take a year off and decided to play for the jets. So I think this is a huge year for him because if all these young quarterbacks continue to look good coming in and Sam. darnold continues to look like he's regressing while his only job was to come here and make sure that we could solidify that for the first time in a long time that the jets had a franchise quarterback that they can count on a bank for fifteen years and allow you to go out and buy parts around him right now it's an incomplete and we don't know if we're tanking for for for Trevor Yet. And Adam Gates, going have to help with asked that question but he's really culture for his job because. We've Seen Ryan Tannehill what he's been able to do when he left and went. Went to Tennessee. And now we we think that Sam Donna was a great player, but we are able to see that on Sundays. So I mean these are hugest for Sam and he's a huge years forgave oddly enough they got the same age. It's already talking about Barscott ESPN NFL analyst host of the Barton Han show on ESPN ninety eight point seven FM New York join us here on Keyshawn J. will in Zubin. Win Do you when do you make a determination on Sam that you are cutting baiter moving on when you make that determination I mean this is tough. They traded Jamal Adams they draft equity and you have to ask yourself at the end of this year I. Mean if Trevor Sitting there and if things continue to go the way that they look like they're going, they're going to be have a top six pick and they still have you three first round. Draft picks in the next two years of the draft I mean, how can you let a guy like trevor sit there and Gaza saying that potentially he may be the best prospects since Andrew Luck with says, he's a can't miss and we saw Andrew Luck was able to do to a bad organization in the coach when they got him and build around him. He was able to be what Tannenbaum always like to say a force. multiplier we don't know if Sam Donaldson Force multiplier meaning that he can take people that aren't as good and make them punch above their weight class I. Just don't know how you can pass on. Trevor Lawrence if the season goes bad and the jets win three four games and you have all this equity you have to consider it. But if you consider that you have to consider a new coach man. Okay. Well, let's talk about. It. A rookie I'm sorry I'm. So he used boy of. That is so early in his career and he hasn't had pieces in an offense a mind around him that office of mind this is supposed to be the offensive genius no, no, no, no they hired. The wrong offense sixteen it's right I mean they just did they gotta get somebody in there that really know how to coach the offenses in quarterback you know how this go bart they get hired based on friendships and somebody else telling them that this guy he got hired for Miami when he lost he got fired. Party. was always tough when somebody loses and they lose get fire. You don't learn the lessons that I believe you need to learn if you get a job right away because it just ensures that you can say that it wasn't them. It wasn't me it was them. Yes and sometimes you have to sit down like Martin Mike McCarthy did and say you know what I have to reconsider how I'm doing things. Because, the way I'm doing isn't going to work and there's some things that Adam Gates listen if he won't listen we all been lame duck players, right? We all know that next year there are salary cap hit was too high and that we were going to know probably be gone at the team doesn't do well well, Adam Gates has understand I'm sure he's aware that if Sam doesn't do well this year. If he doesn't show Progress I mean it's simple things right? It seems like the jets last week didn't have an answer at all what was going on yesterday you watch okay. They say you know what we gotta go empty spread everybody out and they trust their young rookie quarterback to make plays the interception throwing the ball six times is amazing thing but also you saw on the other side. Of The guy that was supposed to be a transcend talent and Baker Mayfield? They recognize I listen he's just not there yet. So what are we gonNA do going lane around a behind the running game and they ran the ball and it wasn't about you know the runs in a yard, it was more about the attempts setting to play action is to play accident allowed Odell to get available on the. Double, move with the speedo coming for the backside grabbing it is the safety and getting a one on one on one coverage. But what does that do? That means bakers on one side of the field because they bring in, they bring receiver from from the right side to the to vision. So all he has re hire low see. So we're waiting for Adam gase give Sam, darnold ability to to learn. Immature but now putting so much on his plate, it almost seems like he's been given the Peyton manning offense but he's not paying manny. He should be doing more kirk cousins or he should be doing more like Ryan Tannehill and taking progress to drop straight back. That's that's a skill set. That's that's usually done. Later in life you look at all the young quarterbacks is based off play x running the ball. It's great insight from Bart Scott, you can get more from Barton and Alan Haunt, his partner on ninety eight seven. ESPN NEW YORK. Every weekday morning at eleven am eastern time. Bart. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you joining us damn just getting more done. Me Hey I another question for you I gotTa let you go sucked up out the room man I got my superman zone man in my shoes. Comfortable. I was ready to talk some crap. Hold on what you sit tight man. We'll come back to you after we do the sports center update yet because. I'm all good. Great. Hang come back with me. No, you sit tight because there's another big story in New York football that's percolating with one former giant legend running back talking to the current giant legend running back and that's getting a little testing. We GonNA put him on the clock like we did Marcus Spears though. All right. So you want me to get out the advocates of the time scale and I say that could be a while here. Let's roll with sportscenter. We'll get the bar in just a second is tiki barber taking some shots at Saquon Saquon has fired back hang tight for sportscenter first and then Dr Bart. Mayfield on I out and he's going to bootleg it out near side looking. He's GonNa. Go long deep. Beckham's out there he. taught touchdown. Got The single coverage wanted. Wow. Forty. Three Yard. Beautiful Shot. ON EIGHT FIFTY ESPN CLEVELAND wkno Browns of the bengals thirty five, thirty Joe borough might have been the bigger story. Yeah. You just heard Baker to obey Jay but borough was thirty seven sixty one key seems to think that latter numbers just a little bit too much for a guy in his second professional game although I should probably mention the head coach of the Bengals is a former college quarterback himself act Taylor. So those guys love throwing the ball, right? But after you BRASSICA today thro well, I think when he got there might have been a little different if you're listening in Lincoln this morning. Sorry we just reference like the Bill Callahan and nobody wants to go back there. Nobody wants to go back there the heat over the Celtics one, zero, six to one dig it to a series lead Miami was down by seventeen in this game. Remember the entered game one down a dozen heading to the fourth great rally from Miami when they've gone up to Oh and a series in the history of the franchise key they have never lost. So history says they're going to punch their ticket to the finals. It could be up three Oh game three tomorrow night eight eastern on ESPN two down at home now going on the road. To Miami on the road, maybe to the other court, just like fifteen feet away at the wide world of sports well said, and the nuggets and the Lakers I guess he's calling for history says the heater going to be there and keeps calling the Lakers and five over the nuggets although key I would mention in game one this year for the Lakers they lost a Portland they lost. The. HOUSTON. So if it's GonNa be Lakers and five is this the game the nuggets get him in recent history would indicate that will probably get the second one third yokich balls out they even at one and then the Lakers role maybe yeah. Probably and Jamal Murray's listening. You could go for forty. We don't need to be put on blast the way he put the guys on other. Day said something totally different what I just said that's right. They said basically, you know. They didn't have a chance no way. You know how Charles did say Charles Barkley zero percent chance to win. Hopefully that means we will have back on the show one day. Torpedo that sports center brought to you by indeed and finding a high impact tires a serious goal for your business use. Indeed, they're flexible payment options being better bang for your buck with no long term contracts to leave and give you seventy five dollars credit for your first sponsor job post at indeed dot com slash high impact terms and conditions apply. We'll go back to the shell pennzoil performance line to get. Bart. Scott. And here we had a lot of great jet conversation, Sam Darnold Adam Gates. What's going on but key there's a big story percolating around the New York giants as well, and that is and Bart Welcome back on Tiki Barbara's radio show with Brandon tierney yesterday. He essentially said quote saquon Barkley might not be an every down back quote he cannot pass protect it's becoming glaring it's going to be a liability. To you gotta go hit Dude Saquon. Barkley as a big man who doesn't want to hit anybody is so starting to watch he's a great back, but he's frustrating to watch trying to pass protect. I will say equal time it is a political season of course part that saquon fired back by calling kisha excuse me by calling you well keyshawn you are legend he fired back by calling tico legend. So he turned to temperate down amp down move the temperature down in the room and he also said he was gonNA use tiki comments as a challenge. So he's taking the high road rarely seen in America today but does one is actually doing that bar what do you think? I mean, I've been speaking to this the last couple of years you know what I mean I was talking about Saquon it's got to be willing to get the dirty yards. You talk about the Cincinnati Zane where we've seen Ezekiel Elliott, you'll get dirty yards and it's every once in a while you know football's by physicality is about sticking their foot ground running somebody over every once in a while, you just can't go back to win Jamal when they played jets latch here Jamal rant dorm took the ball from Danny died in scored. And you know if you've ever stood next to saquon. Barkley, you realize you know they saquon Barkley. He's bigger Jamal Adams and you've got all these thunder thighs. You know what? I'm saying you gotta you gotTa be out of Saint Hunker down it'd be able to deliver a blow. You know bid billy's EMBIID A A. Third down back in and Ben Impact Protection is about want to Ryan is about closer the distance and sometimes saquon doesn't look like he wants to close distance or he he's doing it, but he's not doing it trying to deliver something he's trying to absorb and to be a a great bag. You Watch you watch you can say whatever you want about lady on Belle Frank Gore. You want to see somebody step up and delivered blows people then you look at you look at. His commitment to make sure that his quarterback stays upright and something in evolution. We all got holes in Games. When we come here, it's very few of us don't and you had this is something that's saquon has willingly do and he has willing to put them shoulder square in run by somebody I'm looking at you know looking at the show looking at your highlights look look at those shoulders those shoulder trying to circle the defense. Every. Once in a while ain't no five yards out there is too but those to send a statement and when you kind of get that that that label kind of being soft and being a guy that wants to bowels like Reggie, Bush used to do then the guy's play your shirt way they say you know we go slack. We're GONNA make them circle because we know he goes to remedy and we'll do smoke in the middle. We'll look I try to be objective as much as possible in. US. Obviously a great linebacker when you played at Baltimore's well as the jets when you look at his guy like Saquon, Barkley against. Pittsburgh. He was hitting the backfield. Times on fifteen carries, he couldn't even get out of his stance guarding when you talk about pass pro, do you think based on the way that they did things at Penn State? He wasn't in a lot of past protections at Penn State. They kind of took him out of that. When he threw the ball, they throw he caught the ball well out of the back. That's why it's a pretty good receiver. Is. It the Giants Job as a coaching staff to teach him? How to do the past pro? Well, they had the t dead teach Tiki how to hold onto the football right now sort of being a professional. Yes, I. So we all got holes in our game was all things that we come from different programs that we were actually do in every not actually do we talk? We asked these offense kind kinda learn how? To do certain things when they end these open up spread offenses, we ask these quarterback learn how to get under center. Right? They don't do that a lot. So Liao's saquon Barkley say that he shouldn't have to just an add something to his game. When he gets to the pros, we all do to ask the gang continues to evolve. It's certain things that if He can't do that. Then you have to say liability because what a team's GonNa do especially team. Pittsburgh. Okay. You got one or two choices you can release embarking they let him be the hot route at bay what happens when those linebacker star pilling on the outside or they're going to try overload blitz and make you use them protection and he's going to. have to he's going to have to you know man almost said that in the old inward all good he's going to have to he's going to have to buckle down so to speak, yeah, you get into your football mode I. See you. Yeah man you know what I'm saying sometimes you gotTa short somebody neck man you can't. You can't get on the glorious stuff. You don't play them more, relax relax me. You got all that blood flow into the brain right now. Hey. Sorry. Bro In New York, if you got to hang it earring, you better be a tough guy. That's Lt status. They're man I. Hear you talking about the legendary Lawrence Taylor and maybe the greatest player in Giants Luli listen. Usually you get cloud. If you got to number hanging from your ears dangling, you know what I'm saying. But if you're a tough guy can get away with can't soft with it. Old Number fifty six was causing some having born you sound like backer yeah. Bar would even put on the microphone today I could hear him right from his house I mean that's a ton of passion. Barr. Thank you so much man. Appreciate I'm going back sleep. Go back to say by the way last thing I would say of saquon worried about this. He clearly isn't remember what happened the last time Tiki Barber. Criticize Eli Manning Remember who won the Super Laura. Yeah. I think that's what happened so Is New York New York I. Get it. Okay you big time back in. We don't want you to come off the field on third down because you are successful in the passing game, but he has to learn pass pro past pros extremely important has protection i. I always when I talk about pass protection I, always go to the late Lawrence Phillips when he played in San Francisco and I remember de hit on Steve Young when he missed the bits the blitz pickup in got Steve concussed I remember like it was yesterday and I always talk about that it's important and very vital for running backs to be able to pick that. Yeah. For those that don't remember Lawrence Phillips laid great running back at the University of Nebraska had a ton of personal problems in his life he's no longer with us but. He was said to be a high level NFL prospect I do remember that hit. You're talking about with our colleague Steve Young. So we're presented by progressive insurance. All of our guests are going to join us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line. A reminder keyshawn Jay will in Zubin, brought to you by Mako Mako ready to fix those dense repair that collision damage spray on fresh coat of paint with online estimates contact with servicing their best price guarantee come to make Rowlatt refresh go to make dot com to get started and find a shop near you. Better get Mako still to come more. NBA. Chatter are men big Perk Kendrick Perkins, what is going on with his old team and what can be done to fix it before they go down three? Oh, potentially tomorrow night park is on the way to try to perk up the sees and their fans. Keyshawn J. Will Zubin. That's the voice of our NBA reporter Maliki Andrews essentially saying after the Celtics fell down to Oh Marcus smart was not happy. Some expletives were dropped Jalen Brown for one who also heard there at the very top not really angry at Marcus I post game outbursts a quickly mentioned just a couple of other quotes because it is worth mentioning sometimes you hear things in snippets key you know being taken out of context that's the whole athlete. took me out of context. So let me just mention a couple of other things that jail said this is about smarter than the Outburst Maliki was talking about quote that's why we love him. He plays with passion. He's full of fire and that's what I love about him. Most to be honest. He has that desire and that will and we need to continue to have that WHO Marcus is I love him for an we've gotta get ready to come back with that same fire and add it to game three. Kemba. Walker going with the plausible deniability. By the way quote nothing happened in the lottery I don't know what you're talking about to be honest. We'll be fine. Let's talk to big park about a Kendrick Perkins of course, a former member of the Boston Celtics and he joins us this morning on keyshawn Jay will and Zubin our man Jay we'll take in the night off you some on the NBA coverage last night. All right. So we laid it all out there it didn't happen. Maliki said it happened Jalen Brown said happened we need to move past it. What are your thoughts on all this? Can we'll bear today we'll keyshawn. Zuma. Man We talked about the conference finals. We right now he told me about he wanted to sleep in up he he had bigger and better things last night and waking up with us this morning I guess Oh my God Naba. Listen. The Celtics right now or in trouble when I was watching the game last night and it was bad language all across the board you saw Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown they all have bad body language and the reason being is they on the office of Being Day all plan my turn basketball they're playing my turn basketball here Campbell you go go go to your crossover over you step back and get your couple shots up. Oh, okay. Jt It's your turn no ball movement no player movement nobody movement. They're taking tough shots though size cannot be though size cannot win you games or win you series against this stingy. Miami he defense especially when they win zone and on the other end, I strongly believe that the Celtics have lost their defensive identity except for Marcus Smart Marcus smart can't go and everybody if Jimmy, Butler guy that going Marcus. Mug ause. You're drives you gotta going Marcus Smart Goal Gauze Him. If somebody else gets going look right now the celtics are playing south they're playing cute and Sassy, they think that this NBA two. And the Miami Heat of just bringing the gold status outright now, they'll grinding it out there just cutting they're doing what they supposed to do their plan physical. Jimmy. Butler had three steals down the stretch there were crucial he just wanted to more. A perk that locker room chaos what what can come out good their locker room chaos if anything at all. Y. Well here's the thing it all depends on you know what's going to happen in the next meet I saw yesterday to practice was council and they need to have a come to Jesus meeting in just at everything. And Play Agenda Free Basketball see the problem is, is now your family's able to their families are now in the book Deals keyshawn you go home and and and and your family some of your family members tell you everything you want to hear you should be getting more such. Should be doing instead of telling you what you need to but guess what on the other hand with the Miami Heat a lot of those guys don't have their family members the day locked in focus the the people that they have is each other. So you could tell by the way that they're playing they're playing gender free basketball, but it could go it could go two ways the celtics the come out and be pointing the finger at each other and game three if things Iraqi or they could come together, I just WanNa know who's GonNa be. That leader to step up and say some in the locker room, he can't be in his canter. It has to come from non Marcus Smart. It has to come from me to Jalen Brown Jason Tatum Kendrick Perkins ESPN NBA analysts two thousand, eight NBA champion with the Boston. Celtics joining us here this morning on Keyshawn Jay Williams. Zuber Park let me ask you this. Now. You may think I'm crazy and people out there listening to the airwaves watching on TV may think crazy you might think I'm smart because you probably see the same thing being an athlete. The Boston Celtics started this run. POW Five, maybe six years ago. Is Thomas we bring in Kyrie. We go on Gordon Hayward. We got Marcus smart we get picks we got all these sort of Jaylen Brown, tatum, all of this right the process started probably about five years ago. Career they didn't deliver on. The Celtics have been to the finals three out of the last four years the eastern conference final having gotten over the hump. Could the celtics be a close comparison of what we're seeing in Philadelphia now where it just may not work in the other teams in the Eastern Conference or going to be getting stronger like the Miami Heat is we forget about the nets Kyri and Katie next year we don't know exactly what's going to happen in Milwaukee Maybe Janas grabbed somebody to come with him for year or maybe honest goes to Miami and now the Celtics missed this window perky just got one minute. Well you know what I wouldn't disagree with you but I wouldn't take it that far because the Philadelphia Seventy sixers are just a disaster they they were there are tragedy you know they they haven't even made it to the conference finals. But when you look at still big thing, they have a young rising star and tatum they got one of the best two way player in the game. And Jaylen Brown and both of these guys are young. Those two guys are you're building pieces you build around them Marcus smart is the coach Guy You can never get rid of him but I get where you're coming from. But further for what they went from last year to strike that they made this year I wouldn't say that the processors over I'd say the process is just getting started. How tag great insight from Kendrick Perkins and when Kendrick was talking about the family members, you should have seen key that wide smile just basically saying Yup Yup Yup everybody in your ear time telling you you should. You friends family not agreeing with what's going on and it cloud your mind. It really can. Yeah. Great Distinction from Park that the Miami Heat are all business while some of these other teams are allowing their families in. It's been over two months since they've seen him park. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank. That will go man you should get more shots managed to throw you the ball more our understand why they using him this and he just in it starts to even know your own person in your own. Own Man is still gets in the. There's no question about it. It's a football Friday we got plenty of NFL talk on. which includes key four downs keys, thoughts on whether trubisky can really keep it going can carson Wentz back. What can we expect from Lamar and what can we expect from Cam and Russell Wilson on the same field Sunday night keys, thoughts on all of that next on Keyshawn J. will ensue. Thanks for listening to Sean Jay Williams Zubin, make sure to. Right in review, you can hear the show laugh weekdays at six eastern on ESPN radio ESPN news for we ever you stream your audio.
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Radio nfs one, find your local station for the hurt at Fox sports radio, DOT com, or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching heard. You're listening to Fox sports radio. Welcome in our to into Friday join. I are up next week Goulet too. So we are loading up to day. It is great to have you. I don't plan joy. I don't even know what I'm GonNa do I. Literally I about seven eight days from now I have a plan I don't know what I'm GonNa do for a week nothing. That's that's sometimes the Pacific. Asian. Because sometimes you plan so much that you end up having something to do every day and don't really feel like you ever gotten any rest. What what time can you have cocktails on vacation? Even a station home I mean I've haven't most a breakfast so really if it's Not a station at home not having so but like from. Album. Is a time zone rule or something if you stay in your own time zone, can you have a memorial for breakfast Goulet. Just said Yeah I don't think there's rules on most are so light you know no kidding barely barely feel it this pain for. So that I did see a story this morning. Kevin Stansky the new coach Cleveland said about Baker Mayfield. He said he's all ball he's totally focused. Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski now very focused no nonsense. This is the baker I think that can succeed to certain levels in the NFL I do think. They're going to be a winning football team this year I think they have a tremendous offensive personnel, some injuries in camp, and so I thought what ten players or ten people. In the NFL to me of the most pressure this year. WHO's got the most pressure in the NFL? So here's my top ten facing the most pressure this year. Here we go number I would say Cam Newton not a ton but he is a star and he had no market forum. When he was on the market, there was no market for his former coach didn't take him they took Kyle Allen he's lost his last eight starts. There are people that thought it was just injuries wise mechanics went down but there was a little bit of a stigma around Cam. You know. Can't take criticism well, not a winning quarterback. This is important. Now I, think the personality has around him is nothing. But. I do think there's some pressure him for him to be a good leader to show he's coach. By the way to stay healthy because he's been dinged up a lot. A lot is on CAM number Tom Brady I. think there's more pressure on Brady first of all has worse completion percentage year in seven years and Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and. Tight ends this. This is a stacked offense. There is now I'm not saying. They can go eight nate. But. He is gotTa look good 'cause Tom didn't look good last year and this offensive roster. His absurdly talented. So I think even more than Cam. I think Tom, Brady to prove his critics wrong because there's a lot of people on this network that are like you shot it's over I. Don't think it is I. thought he manning was shot. I don't think Brady shot but there are a lot of people out there people respect saying he's not the same dude a lot of pressure on Tom Number eight Ben Rothlisberger. K. This is a guy that historically we we know this he didn't work out hard in the off-season. Russell Wilson Does Brady does. Ben Can be kind of like dad in the off seat, hang out, go to the lake, go this net. Also it's time for Ben to get along with teammates, younger teammates, lot of drama here with Ben. I think Ben comes in and struggles with another teammate more drama. People are going to say, Dude, you're thirty eight you're not in good shape under some pressure on Ben Number? Seven Jimmy Garoppolo I i. think he has to win back the trust of his coach because I think his coach took the football out of his arm in the playoffs. If you go look at his his completion percentage went down in the playoffs his yards per game went down in the playoffs his passer rating went down in the playoffs. So what that tells me is they they. They were not building offenses around in the coaching staff had questions about Jimmy G.. So there's some pressure in the building. There were also the Brady rumor trade rumors. There's pressure on Jimmy in the building. Just Kyle Trust you and big spot right now I'm not sure he does. Number six he carol. Your offensive line now is a joke, your defense in the toilet. So now, Russell. Well, now you can no longer say. Pete's got the defense fixed notes bad. Defensive Line is ranked worst in the NFL and the offense for years now analytically is going the offense is like one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight there's pressure on Pete. Now, PRI peace got all the power there. He controls the draft, he controls the personnel and the personnel me own lines is garbage. It's garbage. So this Jamal Adams trade better work number five Aaron Rodgers now less pressure this morning now that we hear Jordan, love is terrible at practice. But let's be honest about Aaron Rodgers his completion percentage has declined in the last three years. He is worn out some teamates. The. McCarthy thing stories out now it was no Mike. McCarthy F-. Aaron. Still talented but he's got to stay healthy. He's got to get along with his coach. He's gotTa make this thing work. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to help Jordan. Love that part I think is unfair. You can't ask him to worry about the evolution of Jordan love but I do think for. Aaron. In Sixteen Games are we going to be like? These. Not a top five. Guy. Anymore. To prickly. Not The same guy lot of people lot of stories in the athletic recently secret sauce is gone some pressure on number four, Dak Prescott I think that's obvious. Got New coaching staff. It's a lot of economic pressure. Is Dad going to get the massive offer it really more because we know he's a good guy good leader. We know he's capable. You know he can get to the play offs I don't think he has to have a playoff run but does Mike McCarthy go okay I'm Gonna I'm GonNa. This is my guy for five years. Jerry son fat contracts kind of economic pressure protect Prescott number three. Derek Carr. I like him way more than his coach does I think he's very talented I think he's Tony Romo. Not Quite as Athletic Tony Romo but let's be honest here he has a losing record and five or six seasons. He's getting a reputation as won't let go of football will not let it rip Gruden likes quarterbacks who let it rip? So they brought in Marcus Mariota for a reason to put pressure on Derek Carr? It's real number two Adam gays can get along with one star. Didn't get along Jamal. Adams didn't get llamas defensive coordinator. It's not Sam Darnold folks people like Sam darnold everybody in the room likes Sam darnold Joe Douglas GM did not hire. Adam. Gates Joe Douglas. I know Joe Douglas. He loves SAM darnold Players Love Sam darnold owner like Sam. Darnold fans like Sam Darnold. Adam Gates got win. He didn't get along with anybody and I got news for you. You got it. It may not be the NBA but you gotta get along with some of your stars like one. Number what Baker Mayfield I've been saying this now for a year everybody's finally sand Cleveland's talent is absurd. Folks. I can make an argument after Kansas City they may have the best offensive talent tackles receivers, backs, tight ends. There is way too much talent here bakers got to win at least nine games I'm not asking to in twelve I'm not asking to win the division. Bakers get his act together. This is a stacked offense. Both tackles and their center and they have a guard F four legit offensive Lineman to star receivers to good died in two good running backs and this coaching staff is not going to put up with any nonsense like this is what third fourth coats they're done with the nonsense lot of pressure on Baker and I do think he will deliver to a certain level We haven't had the earn Fox last time deer and Fox was here he was in studio? Glasses he was. Like looked like a professor, he was professor professorial. He's also great great player, but there's so many great guards. It's so funny. He was like twenty six and seven he put up huge numbers but booker and you got dame and you got you Luca we in the West is just stacked. Steph Curry's pretty good. They did I. Mean it's just incredible. The Fox's now joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network First Round Pick number five over of Kentucky. All right young man. So here we go. Now you've got, you watch this whole bubble experienced. Let's just I talk about this. Were you. Were you surprised players have elected to come back and play with the social unrest and the situations going on where does that all land for you were you surprised they quickly voted to go back and play. I would say. How. Quickly it came back. But I think that I thought that would come back I mean. Everybody season. Now, you know this is a they're on a big stage. They're they're playing the bubble everybody wants to know what the long bubble writing wants to know what the players are taken. Obviously. The people disagree are going to say, they don't care players thinking, but people wanna see what they're saying so I think. I. Think it was a good idea. I think it was a good thing to go back into the ball on continue to play because now you still have big eight obviously. You. Can go protest things but. Right, now, there's no bigger stage than being in that book right now know what's interesting Darren joy and I have been saying this. I thought the quality of play was amazing. I think it looks cool I felt like college was the intensity. We're you at all surprised how good the quality of basketball was playing? In Florida in front of no fans. It's actually crazy. So I, didn't play the first two scrimmage games. Kind of sitting here like man this is this is weird. Asking guys like how does it feel being out there 'cause says I wasn't playing, but the estate did a great job with the aesthetics like. It's kind of like playing in La when you play when you play the Lakers. The court is lit up in the crowd is kind of dark and that's kind of how it feels like when you're playing there. So. They did it. They did a fantastic job with that and I. think that's why guys I mean I think is enjoyed playing there obviously the backdrop of it. Some people were shooting a lot better. Than, they did their season, but it's minutes. It's actually I will say agree, experience play. Now it's interesting. You guys had a winning record against the clippers and a losing record against the Lakers. So let's start with the clippers a very deep roster. They have old guys. They got a lot of wings. They got young guys I. Think it's the best roster in the NBA. That's my opinion but you guys had some success against the clippers. Why do you think that is? One you know every time we played them I think either one or co our out. But with us to give him play fast I think I had good Games. To the two of the three times played in which. One one in La Sacrimento. But yeah, I mean, you know that team hasn't been too many times where they had the entire roster. Yeah and I think. That's saying something but I mean, that's that's a great. That is great team. Especially when they have Pat Lou amid pat. Quite. PG before, at the same time I mean, they're switching everything all of the regard the ball had guys that put the ball and basketball three that with all the basket out at will county will. But yeah, I mean we played them. Someone was always out I. Think Colli got hurt your warm ups. Played them. And I think that hurts them when when one of their stars out now, you losing record against the Lakers the Lakers have enormous. First of all, they have Lebron, but they're too big team Javale McGee Jeez I mean they they made they made Portland looked like a junior varsity roster because they were so enormous. So did the Lakers height and size and lengthier did it give you problems? I definitely did I actually I only played Lakers wants because I didn't play them early in the year not only them twice. But yeah man like you. Once you touch the nail, which is the Delano area. Now you're seeing you know ad. Either developed y you know Lebron's sitting on the wing. Then sometimes you have a guy like who's plant four, six nine. So. Yeah. They're they're length on defense alone on defense alone is mind boggling honestly, and then you have the Brian coming out playing point guard. Eighty four because he doesn't play the five, right? Yeah. That's that's a huge team I. Think they match up. Yeah I think you're right I think the one thing I saw from the Lakers and the bubble is offensively lot of questions. Defensively. Note questions they're veterans at the think Casey piece started the game. No Avery Bradley had twenty on us in like the first half and the first quarter he didn't miss a game. When Avery air? Hadn't even though he does not in the ball. So let's talk about being in the bubble. You guys went three and five in the bubble. I was really impressed at the players in one day of negotiating could figure this out because you've been in negotiations for a contract negotiations take weeks and months baseball guys were screaming and yelling at each other for sixty days in basketball guys had a day to figure it out. And I said, it's pretty commendable because there's a lot of stress going on these bubbles you can't see family. Did you St Paul George said he basically he unraveled emotionally did you sense a little bit of that deer and that it is really hard ask a guy to go play three thousand miles from home no family no friends was was it ever hard for you? Man So for me. And my girlfriend and then me and my friends like I'm always chasing like always on face to talk to something like the people that I usually talk to every day. But yeah man it's it's difficult. Obviously, people are gonNA. Say people would sit there and be like you're getting paid millions to do this all and you know people don't realize how different days. Obviously playing basketball your your body's getting beat up. You're not seeing loved ones know everyday like you used to It's definitely difficult. We were there for a little over a month. And I was ready to go one. Like I'm ready to get out of. Here. I wish made the playoffs but we didn't I was ready to go home. It's. It's a difficult thing in some of those guys you know the people who are the guys who are going to the finals we'll be there. So October. Yeah basically. Yeah. That's that's that's difficult. Is definitely difficult to be able to do that but I definitely commend the NBA what they did man it was. It was I would say it was put. It was set up you know rate. Where the housing was great. Facilities were using were great. It was for especially for the first time man I'd give it a a could be better but they did a fantastic job with yeah we join I have said that we think we think can't nobody's perfect and a pandemic man it's it's airlines added man. That was they did a fantastic job with that and I think that's one stay here and say no NBA. I think that's why we say that. Well, you know it's interesting Dean Fox joining US Sacramento Kings Point Guard great young player among many of the great young guards in the NBA many of morale West. was saying, this is that NBA players are not asking for more money. They're asking for more support from America on an issue they have with law enforcement. For you, I ask a lot of players this and I don't mean I don't think this is a political issue. I think it's a human issue I mean you grow up as a black male in America. And Parents have discussions with their children that I didn't have to go through I wasn't told to be careful. Aaron if you and if you would for our audience, is the law enforcement issue for you as a young black powerful wealthy young man in. America. Is it been something you've talked about with friends and dealt with for a long time? All the time it's actually funny. So someone in our chain staff. She's Irish so So. He's Kinda asking like what's the? What's the problem with? Lease and. One of our rookies WHO's actually from Florida US saying like? Obviously we we all know this. I don't like people bring it up that there are good cops none of that. We've all probably the security after school competition like you had a great relationship. So you know. But. It's like usually have a running with police. You know it's never something good. It's never a positive. So but for me man like, yes, I'm GONNA EMBA money but the way I just outside of to games don't listen. To you on and this is had a lot of here. On I usually had on. And have slept on. So I look like the average eighteen to twenty, three, zero. You don't know that I have no expensive watch since the change because I'm not wearing. Just being comfortable going to Walmart or something like that. and. Yeah. So people not only you know police but. Just little small things like you know someone checking your. C. X amount of dollars to Walmart I buy something. Three and it's having it could be three. You know white people in front of me they all walk by I probably have more money to them most likely than not I probably have when. They walk by person doesn't even look at been then as soon as I walk, you know they WANNA check my receipt make sure everything in my ma. Everything is correct in my bag and I just think that's like little small things I've. Never. had a you know a crazy runner with the police. So you know I'm thankful for that. But there's always this little small things someone punching onto subbing. Walking across speed kind of them stop and stare at you while you walk across. It's just little things like that, and it's it's obviously frustrating. But you know some people just don't understand and I'm happy that I've had. You know people who aren't black actually asked me those type of questions who around because they some people just truly don't get it and keynotes. Sometimes. Great that they're asking. You know genuine questions about. Yeah. Well, one of the reasons I think the NBA's in such good shape. Is there's just so many good people. I. Think you're one of them I. Think you. I think Damian Lillard who I don't know most of these guys steph curry I've met. Klay Thompson Dad. But it's a really it's a great community of Kids who love basketball and you WanNa talk about politics and I think it's time for guys like me to listen and I. Just think you have an unbelievable future John Calipari mostly likes me. He gets after me sometimes if I ever if I ever criticized Kentucky wildcat but you are such a great face of that program and for the Sacramento Kings I love having you on when you're in La. When we get through this pandemic come to our show sit here we'd love to have yet promote anything you've got and we just appreciate you coming on the show today. On station man is always fantastic. It's always more. So thank you. All right, Dan Fox, Sacramento Kings. Player we don't talk a lot about the kings. We don't see the kings and do much in the bubble but. Really really really great kid and Just it's I. Don't remember this. So I've been watching the NBA for forty years. The quality of guards. I mean, Houston's got two of them. I did think it was interesting because we've been talking about these offensive performance isn't bubble. And he kind of mentioned it. The depth perception in there is different. So you have a background, it's almost like you're shooting in a practice gym. Shoots better practice right like you don't have the screens or whatever with virtual fans but it's it looks different when you're shooting now I think honestly it's something to do. It's just it's incredible. If you just went guards, you can just you can go guards. We don't even talk about Jamal Murray was unbelievable Devon Booker Darren Fox. It's incredible. Twenty even guys that are not what we like it. Ben Simmons a six ten and a half point who may be first team all defense right I mean we're not happy with the. Guys we didn't watch in College Fred Van. Fleet has become a star. And it's just incredible the quality of skill. Now, some of it is there's no hand check. So guys right you. Let's be honest you don't get tackled. But I think the quality of ball handlers, guards running these teams basically the NBA's quarterbacks amount skills, incredible I mean Portland's got. A guy from Weber state and Lee High I mean, they come from tiny colleges. Davidson. Now Darren from Kentucky but could they come from all come from the mountain West Conference mid American conference men the basketball talent among guys who handle the rock is insane right now in the NBA, Bill Polian some NFL talk around the Corner News as well with joy. One more heard the heard streams twenty, four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 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The arena property teams will work with local governments to find election-related uses for their facilities skew Bingo by using them as voting locations or voter registration and Ballerini. Yes that's the key. Yes 'cause powers ultimately in the vote in America and these Arenas Lotta Times voting November, you gotta windstorm it's raining and you're you're asking people to stand outside for hours, open the arenas. Let him go. We'll also particularly this year you know we have a pandemic. So we want to have voting locations where people can be away from each other if you've ever voted or had to stand in line for voting can be a long time. The last time I voted here in California online for two hours and that was at the mall. was. Not I was there was no social distancing. So it's good that they're having these arenas everybody can speak out Ambien doors as you mentioned, and they will dedicate advertising spots in the remaining playoff games to promote engagement in elections and raise awareness around voter access and opportunity and as Shems Sham. Sodas. In the show ever spoke to the players in the meetings and mentioned that everyone needs to be registered to vote. Lebron is has a whole voter initiative as well. So building will be one of the main issues other than obviously Please Retali- and social justice reform that will be hearing over the next couple months from the NBA specifically because obviously it's much in your and this is something obey decided to mutually work together I think it's great that they're using the facilities though that's that's an. Obvious. Easy solve from the owners. If you own break facility and needed it is because voter suppression is a big issue in our country huge issued the bigger the facility, the more access people have to these facilities and obviously a lot of these. Parks and arenas have. Public transportation that already has a route to them because they want to bring in fans when everything is open. So it's actually very accessible for people even for for older people who don't necessarily want to leave their house, vote me safer for them to be there as well. So that's great. So several NFL teams assigned to cancel practice yesterday to continue the conversation of social justice, and one of the teams was the cardinals cliff. Kingsbury said that they made A. Decision so players could use the day to help make the change they wanna see the those that didn't she did choose the practice still found ways to make a statement. The saints. Wore Jacob Blake details on the front of their helmets and cowboys coach. Mike McCarthy said that while sports are often used as an escape, there's no gaping what's going on right now and that it's important to keep energy and focus on these issues because things need to change. The cowboy specifically talking about, I think is very interesting because Jerry Jones, ben kind of noticeably quiet. The past couple of months about everything he said he's just listening and you know this is obviously a conversation that everyone is having, and now we're moving into NFL season. So how much of this is going to be seen in the NFL? I think it's going to be a lot because this is obviously as Mike McCarthy said, it's not going anywhere. But again, as we were talking earlier, obviously sports is an escape freight. It's entertainments, right? Right right. That's I mean this we're on television is a television mostly television product, which is why we wanted to get games on the air. We know that we love sports. I love sports I watched entire life but I've never disassociated sports from human beings. Now maybe that's because I played sports myself and my brothers played sports. So I see the human elements of sports. But I think sometimes with entertainment and look movies and whatever else like that's that's a different thing. Right this is a prepackaged product story that's delivered to you. If you don't like violence, you don't have to watch violent movies you can watch comedies sports like that. You have to understand these are human beings well, the by by the way. I. I've grown up my whole life. I've seen teachers go on strike I've seen. In New York, you have sanitation strikes. Strikes all over America. Transportation. Strikes AB. Now. Often, it's for money and advantages. Players don't need the money, but they're having their own strike on help us in our community. So the idea these spoiled athletes are they're not asking for more money. It's most people in America when you boycott are you strike, it's a financial issue that is not there's and I also get tired of that. Well, they make a bunch of money. So attorneys. So a lot of people make a lot of money a lot of money, and then we asked people who make a lot of money to give back to the community. That's the whole point of having the. Getting money. For yourself you ever watch scrooge. moral the story but I think to your point yesterday, you know what do we want athletes to be right? Do we want them to be scrooges and make their money and go off into their castle? Want to. Or do we want him to care about the poor communities in the cities in which they live? Also and I think this is important because it's obviously race conversations make people uncomfortable because it is an uncomfortable conversation to have. You don't understand if you haven't lived it and maybe the way you were raised makes you resistant to it but. Remove, remove all that. Sports and sports franchises are such huge parts of the community. Just the saints think of think of the Mercedes Benz Dome during during Katrina. Wouldn't have existed there if it wasn't for the saints, like what that what that organization did for that community? That's a that's a social issue. That was the city in in shambles Green Bay packers are the economy. It's a, it's a factory everybody wears cleats. That's what it is. So these sports franchises are. linchpins economically Ohio. State University, it is the economy of Columbus overwhelmingly like literally be the heartbeat of the community. So if the community is saying, we need help, of course, the of of course what should be involved. Almost. Every APP by the way to begin with what? Sports teams of always works sweets and season tickets. You know local businesses by sometimes they don't even go to the Games, they buy it to support them. So a sports team is just a gigantic fluid business in a community and it's always been more than just about the Games if you live in Los Angeles. Dodger players and Laker players are all over the city doing things non athletic as they say, Lakers have been involved in so many school programs in Los Angeles for forty years if they didn't imagine if they just played and had their money and drove off to the Right finally, the dolphins can't wait for to take over at quarterback, but he's going to be waiting behind Ryan Fitzpatrick when the season starts pro football focus ranked the top backups in the league and to came in at eight. How do you like this list? So it's Jameis Winston number one marcus. Mariota. Andy. Dalton Mitch trubisky Match Shaab Nick Mullins San Francisco Joe flacco in New York to case keenum in Cleveland's and Rg three. And goes I haven't. Given it a bunch of thought I. Think it's probably James as the most talented. Yeah. I can't name four or five teen backups right. Right. So this is kind of the the list of celebrity or like most well known backups was obviously you've you've seen enough of them to know what their Cape I would probably put Andy. Dalton ahead of Marcus Mario I would I would do that as well and I'd probably move case keenum up a little bit as well. Joe Burland. Andy Dalton today. Yes Friday gotTA. Be. Jacoby for set him in eleven. Driver the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. Heard lie hall of FAME NFL Exact Bill Polian next. Jordan love is apparently not great. His bill ever drafted a player and new known immediately. ooh, we may have made a mistake with our draft pick. They say Jordan love and green. Bay is having real problems. That's next. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern not an Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the iheartradio. APP. WHAT IF WE RE? The word citizen not as a weapon to divide us. As a verb, inviting us all two-wheeled, our collective. 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Thursday listen on Apple PODCASTS, iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Important these days to create something that can be an escape I did it with lows, my bar cart get inspired. Do It yourself at Lowe's Dot Com? His interesting. There's a story today on Jordan. Love. He's who the packers drafted first round. They didn't need a quarterback they've got one, but they drafted him. And there's a story here quote Jordan love hasn't fallen down the quarterback depth. Chart? He was already at the bottom of it. Jordan love has yet to even provide a glimpse. As to why the packers traded up to draft him not even a glimpse nobody expected him. To Take the world by storm. In his first nine practices. Every throw, he makes seems like a touch pass. And he's had. Accuracy. Issues early on not even a glimpse. Wow Bill Polian now, Hall of Famer thirty two years in the NFL scout excutives joining us via the cower global satellite network. So Bill. I read the story Jordan love struggling and I think to myself. It's nine practices settled down. Don't overreact. But as an executive you've had draft picks the reason you're in the hall of fame as most of them were good. Have you ever gone to an initial camp in thought we made a mistake after eight or nine practices and thought I may have reached on somebody. Yeah. It happens it happens from time to time and. You know what it does. You just stay with the guy especially with a quarterback, you give him every opportunity to succeed. This is a quarterback that wasn't ready to come out anyway came out early. he's a he's far from the finished product. So you won't know until three years from now whether or not. This kid has a chance to be a winning quarterback in the national football as far too early to give on now build there's no training camp not a no no no exhibition season. So I've said on the air repeatedly let's be fair with some of these young quarterbacks. Joe Berle's going to struggle. He doesn't have the help that divisions. talented. Defensively. What would you need to see bill to say even if he goes three and thirteen, what would you need to see and feel like? No no no. This is GonNa work. For. A rookie quarterback of any stripe. First Rounder, a free agent doesn't matter once they're playing all saying well, you want to see the three things you wanna be able to see him command the offense. Does he know the offense can you call it as I understand what what you're trying to do? You want to see him command the huddle you want to see him step into the huddle and say, okay, here we go. Guys. This is what we're going to call on boom boom boom take charge. You can see that on the practice field as well as you can see now, the game field and then finally you want to see improvement. From Week to week you WanNa see the Arrow going up from week to week even though it may be infinitesimal from week to week is still wanted on the upturn so that at the end of the season, you can say, look the Guy Commands the huddle. He understands the offense. He's got a feel for what it's like to play in the national football. League and now we'll put him in the off season program help make another big Jeff. And just the Arrow up at the end of the year. If you'RE A G and let's say you're a team like Miami and you're eight games into a season and you're you're three and five. You're good but you're not special yet it's still a rebuild their. diest stay with Fitzpatrick go with to are these conversations you have with the head coach or do you let the coach make those decisions if you have a first round quarterback with a lot of hype? Well ultimately it's the coach's decision to is about that. But You should have before you drafted him sat down and work through this. And said okay if he comes in like the normal rookie quarterback. And, where two and six and going nowhere. Are. We GonNA put him in the lineup and let him take his lumps for the last games. Or would you rather have him sit for twelve games and then we put him in for the last four at should have been discussed at the time that you drafted him. I suspect it was Ryan Flora doesn't make many mistakes so. I presume that they've made that decision and it will depend on how far too. Grows from week to week. But at some level, they've decided when he's going to be in there. You know it's interesting people years ago I read a story that Aaron Rodgers arm actually got better. Three years behind Brett farve look his there was arm improvement I always thought that was kind of either had an army didn't but it got better and it's interesting. Let's talk about maturity and judgment. I think that stuff is mostly forming your nine ten eleven twelve years old banker is shown immaturity. Is that something in your history that an immature player player that struggles with some social things that they can improve over time they do mature once in the League is it possible? Yeah, it's possible. Let's make sure when we talk about Baker that we're talking about the same thing. Don't confuse personality and character a guys. Personality is what it is. A personalities come in all shapes and sizes. And don't confuse personality with mastery of the position. What you just saw is a mistake it resulted in a in. In a in a an open receiver catching a touchdown fast but he doesn't need to bail out that early and he and he bails out repeatedly. We did last year and he did the year before that. That's that's not personality that's mastering his craft learning to stay in the pocket learning to deliver the ball learning that he doesn't have to go running outta there and throwing it down and field and get an open to get a fifty fifty ball, which oftentimes ends up being an interception so that that stuff. He's to learn and and learn it. Yeah. But. It's an uphill struggle because those are habits that he developed at the college level. And, and I don't know if he can. If he can break it. What do you think about Joe, borough as a prospect what did you think about him? I love them I I liked it. I liked his accuracy like the fact that he was a coach's son I like the fact that he had command I like the fact that it was very, very cool under pressure. He played with a great team obviously. But so what the media In the end You gotTA. have good around you so. I think he was outstanding prospect. Now he's GonNa struggle this year because he's with a group. Of guys that that really many are new and many are not good enough and you know it's been a program. A lot of erosion since Marvin Lewis left by. The bottom line is he'll struggle, but I think he's a really good prospect. And finally. Expectations for Cam, we've got a minute left. What are your expectations? They had eight guys opt out they don't have they don't have a ton of speed on the perimeter bill. They don't have a lot of game breakers. What's reasonable for Cam this year. If, he wins the job I presume. He'll do well, Josh mcdaniels. Had Tibo in Denver e construct an offense that's can friendly if you will and that being the case. All. You need is people who can catch the ball because he'll get it there and he'll stress the defense so much that he's GonNa get people open almost by default. So you know because you can't turn your back on him as a defensive back you almost. have to play facing him all the time. So that gives them a huge advantage. I think they'll be. I think he'll be okay in never write off Bill Belichick team never. Yeah. All Bell. Great senior thanks his on. Friday you have a good weekend. My pleasure buddy. Nice seeing you. Bill Polian. He's got a podcast inside football with Bill Polian six timing. Zach of the year yet that's an interest his last comments interesting when you play Cam and quarterback sticking run, you have to watch them. So it changes coverages. It's hard to go man to man when you face Cam, 'cause you turn on Cam and he decides the run something. We don't talk about a lot is athletic quarterback, Lamar Jackson. There's just certain defenses you can play against Lamar and I think football over time has evolved. We've figured stuff like basketball it took US awhile but basketball figured out we need to shoot more threes. It's a math equation that if you hit thirty seven percent on threes, it's better than forty one percent on twos a baseball now. strikeout or no big deal analytics are like it's okay. 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Season begins tonight the Kansas City chiefs host the Houston Texans the two highest paid quarterbacks, right Patrick Mahomes at the beginning of a dynasty against Shawn Watson can he be more than a great player? Great highlight player can win big games later in the year tonight too big game. How does Shawn Watson lucked certainly didn't have the support system right now Patrick Mahomes does Taylor how are you how I'm great NFL is back. I can't. I. Can't get over it. It's amazing thoroughly those. Let his beard grow. Appears to be going faster with the football season. Fall. So when Baker Mayfield came out, I was very critical of his judgment. I thought he was a good talent great prospect and so when I said. Everybody has a calm right like I said when Andrew Luck came out, I said, his comp is John Elway and you laughed at it but the first five years it looked like John elway. And everybody's got a cop and I said with Baker everybody was given these grandiose cops and I said I think has comp is case keenum with a better arm got better on than case athletic ability size. Cases. More mature bakers got a better arm, but it's Kinda looks the same to me. That was considered Click baiting outrageous. There now on the same team. And about a week ago, there was a scrimmage for the browns I'd like to read what Mary Kay Cabot reported. Here's what happened at the scrimmage made got a slight wakeup call a couple of weeks ago his first team offense. Lost Scrimmage, the case Keenum, and the second team offense. And Mayfield was working against the second team defense? In keenum who had the second team offense. was facing the first team defense. Oh. By the way, the session ended with Baker pick and a goal line situation all. Is that Click Bait. Now. I think bakers going to have a good year. But, I think case keenum if he was starting today with this roster would have a good season. And if Baker does go eleven and five, don't send me your tweets because case keenum went thirteen three a couple years ago and he had talent. Ask yourself this. Who Do you trust I Trust Vegas Fox. Bat. People that are in the gaming space. The browns with all this talent have an over under of eight and a half. If case keenum was announced the star today. You really think it would drop precipitously. I mean if you had a great quarterback with these weapons like Mahomes, it would be eleven and a half Aaron, Rodgers Eleven Russell Wilson eleven eleven and a half with all these weapons. Noah's Ark two of everything the over under in Cleveland with Baker is eight and a half, and that's guaranteeing two wins easily over Cincinnati. If case keenum starting tomorrow what do you think it drops what? Six Na case keenum won thirteen games a couple years ago with Minnesota. I am not saying cases better than Baker. What I am saying is what you viewed. As a click bait. Now they play together scrimmaging. It's not crazy. Baker is. Talented but he's not he's not. Top six, seven, eight, nine, we'll go slow never was got slow down on that. Are I know of football season is official when I bring Greg Cosell on. This is This is like Christmas without the snow and the Chil. Greg cosell forty, one years at NFL films is joining us by the phone today I can't even believe even my wife said that she goes it's GonNa be so weird to watch Tom Brady. In an orange uniform and bill belichick is not on the sideline and my wife doesn't like sports. and. Listen I don't I don't recall what you'd me Tom's obviously got a lot of weapons. The running back position is much better today than it was a year ago in Tampa. But I do look at Brady is not much of a playmaker. Now more of he's excellent one in in terms of efficiency. So but this offense has some deep threats and downfield throw guys how do you think it? All looks early, Greg? Tampa Bay Tom in these weapons. Well assuming everybody's healthy collar and I think that it will be a very interesting mix of Bruce, Arians approach, which is being aggressive and pushing the ball down the field and what Brady does really well, which is a lot of play action quick game you. We saw what they did annoying on the last number of years all those bang play action throws in the middle of the field he certainly has tight ends to. Work with God and his phenomenal working between the numbers very strong, very physical. So the the parts are in place to run both in Arians offense and a Tom Brady offense, and Arians, has been doing this a long time and I think he'll mix and match and it will end up being very, very effective offense but I just want to say one thing you said something that fascinated me about being efficient versus being playmaker. Do. We believe now that you cannot be a higher level NFL quarterback. If you're not quote, unquote a playmaker, another words Mahomes a watson players who make plays outside of the structure of the play call and the design of the play is that now absolutely part of the game in other words are we not going to see Tom Brady's drew brees and Philip Rivers Anymore I think the way the game has changed they will still win games. But when you face a mahomes and you do not have that element in your game and Mahomes, and the young quarterbacks are increasingly efficient and make plays I'm not saying it's going away but the structure. The rules I think the added playmaking with increased efficiency because I think mahomes, we'll just get more efficient overtime I would agree. I. Think it's going to be a I mean I'm not saying jared, Goff can't win games. But if I get mahomes efficiency and and the over the top playmaking boy, it's a rough at a rough obstacle, right? No and I'm not disputing that but it's interesting that Jared Goff was in a super bowl two years ago did not win obviously Jimmy Garoppolo is in the Super Bowl last year didn't win but but played reasonably well So it that's a question that I spent all. As I've broken down at home. As long as you know as we all were at home, I was anyway I watched probably twenty quarterback too deep dives and it's a question every single day watching tape I kept going back and forth in my head as to the evolution of the quarterback position we're going. Yeah. It's really funny. So Pete Carroll big USC and he goes to Seattle and win the Super Bowl and we have just annoyed. Pete as he is the you know he's just tremendous. He's going to be a hall of Famer. Bought Now analytics are coming in. Now the wolves are sharpening their teeth and people are saying listen. They run the football too much Russell. Wilson has to it's kind of Jurassic offense at times. The offensive line play a been good and Wilson seems like increasingly Russell is saving a very outdated offense. Is that a fair criticism when you look at film of Pete Carroll and what they're their dimensions offensively well, here's where I would answer that question I love Russell Wilson I think he's GonNa be League vp this year I love the player. But For years now I think he's been in a League eight years So they've had the same head coach, but they've had two different coordinators and they've chosen to play this way from day one. Yes. So the question is why and only Pete Carroll can really answer that. So are they playing this way because Pete Carroll is beholden to a philosophy? No matter who the quarterback is or are they playing this way because as good as we all think Russell Wilson is and There's no question. He's really good. That's not my point. But that they believe that they get the best out of Russell Wilson playing this way, and if they were to quote unquote, let them loose as a lot of people are saying that that would somehow diminish his play. So there with him every day Colin, we're not so I don't know the answer to that, but they've chosen to play this way for. For All eight years that Russell Wilson has been in the League. It's driving some people crazy. I'm one of them. No I love rock. Believe me I love Russell. Wilson. I mean this is a team they get their big plays in two ways they go max pro and they pushed the ball down the field in in normal down and distance situations or Russell Wilson moves around and is as good as there is and making those second reaction improvisational place. But they are not a team that comes out throwing the ball. This team is built. As you said, there's no mystery to their offense. It's run the ball with Bass base runs play action and play action boot. That's what their offense is. So I wanNA talk about Aaron Rodgers two years ago. There was a discussion I did not buy into it, but it was a it was a narrative in a discussion on talk shows Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady, which is the goat to which I said I. Don't think it's really close I think Montana. Peyton, manning away you can. You can argue people I don't I don't I need more Erin I need more years. Now we see three straight years of errands declining passer rating and completion percentage. Now it's always the push pull the egg. We always asked what is it Green Bay's Front Office doesn't give him weapons or is it Erin? WHO's not coach I do think they have star receiver star back in a way above average offensive front. When you now in your off season look at Aaron Rodgers and we point. At the decline, what do you see? Well, and I've talked about this with you for years and I think when you look at Aaron Rodgers, you see a player who is supremely talented. Capable of making outside of structure plays at the highest level in the game can make any throat to any part of the field from anybody position, any platform throwing platform. But and this is not an interpretation. This is what the tape tells you. There are a lot of throws within structure that he leaves on the field and the he now has a coach whose background is somewhat Kyle Shanahan who believes in pure structure that the the scheming of the offense dictates how the quarterback is going to play and where he throws the football and I'm I don't know what's in Aaron Rodgers head and neither do you I'm sure but maybe he struggles with that I don't know the answer to that but I can tell you that the film shows that there are too many throws that he leaves on the field. I think only threw three touchdowns last year off play action. someone can easily check that but in an offense in Matla floor offense that's a very, very low number. Well. Their draft show. Do they have questions about him that certainly for sure didn't get another Told you by the way how they see their offense they drafted another back. Who I know is third on the depth chart right now dylan is the season starts, but he'll play and they drafted in the third round, a kid from Cincinnati Joe so I had to Gora? Early is Kyle US check player. So I mean we mattielo floor is telling you how he sees his offense. Let's go to Jimmy G. Twenty one and five is a starter but I can't deny that Kyle Shanahan took the ball out of his hands in key playoff spots and I have said, it's very important that your coach trust you I didn't feel like at the end of the year he did. Is that fair? No I think there are a highly schemed offense and I think that Garoppolos at his best when he's rhythmic in his drop is setting his delivery. I. Think he's a really good fit for that. I see this is the classic case of scheme versus quarterback. You know it's a really well schemed offense. So when Garoppolo execute the offense, well, people don't. Say. Oh, Garoppolo is good. They say Kyle's really well schemed so and and then Garoppolo if he has a bad moment, then they sell Garoppolos not very good. You can't really have it both ways I think Garoppolo has the mentality and mindset of a pocket quarterback plants and delivers. He'll sit there in the pocket late in the down on his back foot. And with that contract delivery, he'll make throws he can make throws without stepping with his front foot. So he can be patient in the pocket. He was very good on third down he trusted the scheme he turned it loose. You know in some ways, it's like saying if if a basketball coach gets guys open jump shots, are we blaming the guy hitting? The open jump shot. So we saying, well, he's not very good. You know this is a well scheme defense that Garoppolo executes well, is He Patrick Mahomes? No, he's not Patrick Mahomes. He doesn't have that kind of ability, but he's a very efficient pocket player in a well schemed offense and don't forget. He doesn't have a ton of experience he's still growing. By the way I was saying earlier to start the show today is that you know we've forget when mahomes. Eleven completion percentage seventh and passer rating and only had eight touchdown passes last six games he admitted he just learned to read a defence. There's a lot of meat on the bone. I. I think we're just seeing the beginning of him I. Think what we see Jared Goff. This is what he is a beautiful deep ball thrower with a nice touch I look at mahomes. We could have a lot more he could go to another level is that hyperbolic? Do you buy some of that? No I think he'll get better. You know it's interesting the and this is a great conversation I. Don't know the answer to this is the key other kinds of things. I. Think About quarterbacks will mahomes as he advances be less likely to be second reaction player in other words always have that in his back pocket as a parachute because he's capable of it but will he become even more efficient from the pocket and stay in the pocket more because he'll see things quicker better. And deliver the football. You know that's the thing as you get older and play in the League longer and learn more and digest more. Do you end up being far more efficient from the pocket because there's no question he's a great thrower, the football you know now he moves around a lot. So it's a great question I don't know the answer to that. Yeah. All right. Are Big play of the week. Obviously, we'll go back to last year and it does include Sir Patrick Mahomes. Chose this play because it was the first possession of the Third Quarter in the AFC playoff game last year between the chiefs and the Texans obviously playing tonight and the Texans had come out in this game and played almost all man to man coverage in the first half. So they come out in the third quarter and let's run the play right now they come out in the third quarter on the first possession, the Texans do and they end up. Playing zone cover to, and here's a forty eight yard completion to Sammy Watkins and the reason I chose this play is because it had so many cool elements. The Texans showed man-to-man initially, you see the five on five just as they had done the entire first half this looks like man coverage, and then if you focus your attention on three specific defenders, you can see that these guys will move in such a way that it becomes cover two and. They moved just before the snap after everything has been all set. So now what happens is man to man became cover to the Texans rotated and don't forget they played man the entire half. Then you'll look at the corner up top another cover to corner. So Watkins is just running a corner around. Now this is a great route to run against cover too 'cause it's a void and my home sees it instantly this is why I love this play. Colin because my home saw this instantly after spending the whole first half having to defeat man he sees zone and they and they rotate his own it was disguised late movement and yet he saw that instantly. So it kind of plays off. Well, we were just talking about 'cause ability to recognize his ability to eliminate and isolate and make the right throw. What's amazing you had to do it in about a half a second well that yeah, that's playing quarterback. No kidding it's A good piece of take Greg Cosell. Great talking to you. We'll speak soon. All right. Thanks don appreciate it that that was really what Cosell does that his best right there is that this whole game is just trying to deceive the quarterback and I'm watching the tape and I'm like Oh that's man-to-man. Three steps back by the right corner and you're like, oh, coverage changed it changes the entire play mahomes picks up an instantly boom goes to the right side like that. That is what makes this game. So incredible, it's just so much mental aptitude. Can you figure stuff out fast and mahomes admitted by the end of the year he figured out how to Russell Wilson said year three light went on everything slows down. This is a hard league. That's why it's so amazing to see all these young quarterbacks flourishing year to used to be I mean Payton Manning and your four through zillion interceptions. It is a toughly figure out. Coming up next GRUDEN Derek Carr. An anonymous source, it's not gonNA work. We'll talk about that next one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like Ham Charlie Sanders I'm ball and I am Brian. huskey. I am also bold. We're the hosted the new podcast bald talk from the big money players network and iheartradio before this. I was a writer producer for key and Peele and created the show weird city than I appear on Bob's Burgers and veep but the show is not just about being bald. So for you hair owes out there there's a lot to gleaned from our show it's about. Vanity when all that. But you wrote veep as on every season of that. Oh you the mean congressman dude right and then that Dan back at all, it's actually guests we go. Okay. You're the press dude McClintock none and and then if that's Matt Wall, she has also guest wait I. Remember You you're producer the printed that that's Paul Scheer he was on veep too but we have him. On the PODCAST as well. The show is not about having people who are bald from veep to hell of a coincidence you got to say that right? So we'd be very limiting what does MacAulay culkin like I don't know I'm not on succession. That's the other thing that's his brother. Right talented those to listen to ball talk on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Oh coming September sixteenth. The goal club was the top Strip club in Atlanta in the Nineteen Ninety S A twentieth century doll for the rich and famous with patients like Dennis Rodman Michael Jordan Madonna, the king of Sweden. People from all over the country everybody came took the gold club and it was the spot to go the goal club's owners Steve Kaplan was able to make almost four times. The amount of other strip clubs with three hundred dollar bottles of dom, Perignon, private rooms, and the sexiest entertainment. In the south, I would chain up a girl and dragged through the club dragged across the stage. It was kind of SEM and the guys loved it. But in two thousand, one, the club was put on trial which charges a prostitution extortion credit card fraud racketeering, and an affiliation with the mobs like a festering cancer. Of you're going to allow it to to grow and prosper. You're going to have a problem going forward. I'm journalist Christina Lee and I'll be taking you behind the scenes of the gold clubs scandal from the booty and bubbly to the DC and courtroom drama. Listen to racket inside the goal club on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. NFL Sunday is back this week with a great slate of early games. Then it's a blockbuster in America's game of the week as Brady in the new look take on breeze and the saints check local listings for the Games in your area or watch it on the Fox sports APP. To call, let's get into one of your super six picks for the week box. Saints is one of the matchups give us a winner and a final score. I would probably take the saints because they're more familiar with each other winning a fairly close gain like I think there's going to be a lot of points. I, think Brady's not going to have the crowd in the Superdome to deal with. So I think you're looking at thirty, four, thirty somewhere. I'd probably go with more familiar saints. That's my guess. By the way, a team I'm not high on it. All is the raiders they have to move, and I think the Gruden Derek Carr relationship is problematic very interesting. According to Mike Sando who we trust he writes very good articles. execs and evaluators anonymously talked about what they expect with the thirty two teams. Here's what they said about the raiders execs evaluators. The quarterback is a little worrisome to me. He played well in that system decent stats but I don't recall being around in NFL quarterback who has to talk himself into being confident publicly confident players are confident players. Teammates feel that everybody sees it with car. ARE WE GONNA? He's going to grow out of that. And be a player who leads this teamers Gruden's personality too strong for it. This. Is My issue and I think this stuff matters. Let me give you an example. quarterback. Head coach relationships matter. GRUDEN is blunt and demanding cars more sensitive. If you go back and look at Aaron Rodgers and Mike. McCarthy. Errands. California cool cocky McCarthy's the Milwaukee Cop. They were each other out. John elway Dan Reeves Elway was Stanford West Coast Football family big confidence Dan Reeves small southern town played under town Landry undrafted very conservative. They wore each other out troy Aikman buttoned up. All business totally focused Barry Switzer really loose kind of wild really outspoken it didn't work. quarterback coach? Chip is vital. This one doesn't work for me. One guy's demanding blunt. The other guy a bit more sensitive needs support arms wrapped around regularly. That's not what Gruden does it is my concern similarly with Adam gays and Sam. darnold. Adam Gates is intense and very rigid. If you watch Sam darnold play, he plays a loose fun game. He plays with a lot of feel. There's a lot of feel to his game. He's not a rigid player. Sam Plays with a lot of feel. He's a let it rip Guy Adam is very rigid. Very intense. This is the play. Do it this way? I don't think their relationship is beyond the other jet front office issues historically, roster issues. I don't think gas in darnold personalities are perfect. I don't, and by the way I have the jets this year as much as I like. Darnell I think there are six and ten team I think the gays darnold relationship is off I think gruden and Derek Carr. It matters it mattered for elway in reeves. He got better with a new coach. It mattered Jimmy and troy similarly focused all business brady and ballot check both driven no nonsense aspirational. All about the team is why in Peyton totally intent all football. Creative clever risk takers. So I think the raiders quarterback coach thing I think it's problematic joy with the news. On the news, this is the headline news. A little. New England flavor sprinkled around the dolphins organization this year. Then noise. Left, new. England's join the dolphins this off season and he is looking forward to getting the chance to face off with his former team on Sunday. I mean going against them they're familiar with me. I'm familiar with them I'm excited for this task. You know they've been talking trash before years I've been there. So I'm excited to see if we bought him back up. He who has changed the Patriots in October of two thousand sixteen was with them through two thousand, nineteen. So won two super bowls with New England Fox. Bat Has the Patriots favorite minus six and a half against the Dolphin select that number. So. Many. There's so many you know week ones always tough especially with no preseason I have no idea is usually tough. Don't you usually avoid betting? No I've said before our last year a winning week week one I struggled down the stretch but week one is tough and now we have no preseason. So no fan. So it's are the home team's going to be flat 'cause they need that juice and expect the juice of the home crowd and it comes off scrimmage I mean I have no idea what we're getting I wonder if also because there are no fans will some. Some places will eventually have fans I'm not sure entirely what the there'd be. No big. Big Home Field advantage. But I wonder because of that. Because you generally don't pay too much attention to the sidelines during an NFL game like an NBA Games, the bench has been huge. Yeah. Yeah. For the energy of the players on the court because you know you have you have a big play and it's usually turned to the crowd and get hype. Now you're looking towards your bench and the bench is very like emotionally involved in what's happening. So I wonder if you're going to have to be very engaged on the sideline now like when the defenses is off the field or are they hyping up offense like what does that energy going to be like? There's fans it's again it's the big question mark I don't have answers I mean it. It'd be one thing if we just didn't have fans but we didn't have fans or OTA's preseason. You know I mean it's just there's so many things and then we also have there's going to be some you know are there going to be a player to protest the social injustice stuff I in some teams maybe really into that other teams may be Kinda head down I don't know what I'm getting I have no idea it's just a it's totally unprecedented for so many reasons. So Super Winning cornerback keeps leave has decided to retire from the NFL after twelve years in the League and during his announcements on his new podcast call to the booth he revealed that before he chose to walk away bill belichick called him and tried to convince him to join the Patriots season. We really wanted me to come in and strap tight in I was halfway out the door goth flights I star finding apartments, I kind of started going through that schedule. I kind of seen kittles. Kelsey. Waller I looked at this schedule I say is. Once that negative thought cross my mind I was like part. My competitive edge like I ever the in it like that. No more work. Very. Honest. I like it. He realized that like it wasn't anything more than the minute I doubted it that spoke volumes about where my heart was like he had the self awareness as a veteran player. This is what we always talk about self awareness is big in sports. Yes. Right Away Oh, my God through that thought went through my head I'm out. I'm done. I remember we were interviewing me hate on undisputed and that's when she said she realized she she she's done but she was actually in the octagon came across her like I don't WanNa do this anymore really bad space to decide you want WanNa. You don't want to fight anymore but yeah, this is this is a very common. If if your body doesn't take you out of it, which happens to some guys or you've just given all you can and you revenue your super bowls. Time. This is one of those situations where it's like, yeah, I just I don't want to do it anymore like he looked at the schedule I don't feel like locking him now it's very, very honest thing and everybody realizes that at at their own individual moment keeps going to join us here on the hurt at two fifteen eastern so we can ask him about that. So finally we've had a pretty. Pretty. Uneventful bubble as far as drama goes. However. Daniel houses status for the remainder of the rockets conference semifinal series against the Lakers is in jeopardy as he is under investigation for a potential trouble violation. So we heard about this yesterday Chris Hanes reported that he allegedly let a female Kobe testing official to his hotel room. House has reportedly denied any wrongdoing and the League is obviously investigating its and expected to make a ruling about his status before game four tonight, he was a late scratch in game three. For personal reasons can I just? Do we have to use the word investigation. Well sound that sounds like i. mean they do they kind of have to investigate it like they have to interview everyone and see its investigation I mean it's not investigation sounds very serious but this is a serious situation if he made a mistake and somebody came in. Listen to be clear. I am not inferring anything I have no sources I am just telling you the story I don't know I don't I don't personally when I hear what went on I'm the League has to investigate it because they have to see. If there was a a bubble violation like there. There's a reason why these rules are in place how about everyone safe and they've done an amazing job at doing that he's a young guy probably got a little. You know investigation sounds like, oh, literally, there was the shipment of math that was delivered in his room. It sound. So serious looking into the matter a young man author full of testosterone. What felt lonely I don't know who is involved I. Don't know if that was the situation or if like I have no idea, I don't have any answers on telling you is what is what they are investigating what Crusades is reported he Though he's averaging eleven point four points. He's their sixth man series is over not able to play and they're they have to put him in quarantine because of the relations over. The Lakers of two one series lead. The the rockets do not afford to lose him. So this is this is actually significant news for the rockets if a violation. From the League looking into, it finds a violate if the league finds that there was protocols that were not followed softer way to put it. When you were talking about kids, investigation would be grown men and this this investigation is just the way to say. Investigation because that's what's a better word. How about the League is looking into? The circumstances surrounding this alleged violation. It's a protocol misstep perhaps investigation. into it is like, yeah, we got there was okay but okay. Investigations Challenge. Appropriate term it sounds aggressive and very serious. However, this is a serious matter. We are talking about health and they had these protocols in place for a reason they done an impeccable job. There's been no positive. Right. Yeah. This sounds did the league's making the sound so serious serious these a young man that I don't know why I don't know if there was even anything inappropriate that happens it doesn't mean that there was anything inappropriate happens. De on a class, we discuss it there's investigation and I going to invest. You're not going to investigate how that happens. Let. Let's save investigations for the white. House. For political leaders. The NBA does the NBA is enquiring if a player is under investigation violated sounding, it sounds very serious. He he's being the matters being looked into third. Oh, there we go. Matters being God he's a kid he's not getting just A. Grown man, but that doesn't matter under investigation strong while the correct term they're looking into the matter. Up. Folks people. Can't be locked in a hotel for nine weeks. This stuff happens on an amazing. Happens that's they're looking into it. All right. Well that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard Line News. Or I gotta get the Reggie Bush Reggie Bush around the Corner Cape. Till he retired, he's joining us to go anywhere. NFL season starts tonight be sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern not an Pacific on Fox sports radio one and the iheartradio APP will robots one day be capable of raising human children as their own. I'm holly fine and as the host of the companion podcast to Hbo Max's New Show raised by wolves I'm speaking with leading scientists and historians to answer some of the very real questions posed by this mind blowing sci fi series from Ridley Scott Stream raised by wolves now on Hbo Max, and Subscribe, and listen to raised by wolves the podcast on the iheartradio APP HBO Max Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 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It's fun like I watched that game last night and I'm like Kyle lowry is not beating Lebron Eighty, four times that's not happening and he's not being quiet Leonard and Paul George Four Times that's not happening last eleven titles in the NBA last eleven. I one Lebron wins or the West winds it's GonNa be twelve straight so I. I go back and look at what has happened in this leak co is and the title Lebron's holding the trophy or somebody out west now they're both out west? So the Eastern Conference now is very much PAC twelve football. It's fun their weekends I'm like that's the most fun college football I watched but I don't think it can beat Ohio state, Clemson or Alabama and I don't think you think Toronto doesn't have the Guy I mean it Pascal Salcombe was very disappointing in this series he hasn't given ton. So you're kind of depending on Lowrie. lowry beaten. Lebron. Right now, you I got into this discussion. The other day with somebody may have been you joy. Is that Lebron. James it was so last year we got hurt. So for the first time in Lebron's life after like eight straight finals, he got like three months just watch basketball then he comes back for the season he plays real hard for two months. We get three months off. Lebron's never been this rested. He is totally rested mean Lebron's been great but there have been times over the last five or six year like how does this guy keep going God? It's another playoff run into another finals. The other night I'm watching abroad I'm like he's the energizer bunny it's like Lebron's body is. He's always been meticulous about his body, but he's just playing very much in the last year and a half calendar year. So you're getting like you're getting Lebron. Chasing Down, you have anybody noticed how many shots Lebron is blocked in the bubble. Like Lebron you when Lebron broken in the league his big thing for the first five years beyond his talent was he used to have these chase down blocks. It was his signature move you know, Michael Jordan had the tongue and the mid range game. Lebron would run chase all-star down the floor and Swat your shot off the backboard, and after about years six seven, he stopped doing it because it's a lot of energy and he became much more about growing as offensive game and in developing three point shot and developing a low post game after he lost the Mavericks. This is the first time in like five or six seven years. Lebron is back to blocking shots all over the court. It's because he's got energy if because he didn't play much last year, he didn't play this year in the bubble. So now like what year seventeen I feel this is the freshest Lebron we have had in four years. He's not injured. He's totally healthy. He's finally he's got his most talented in his prime co worker. Anthony. Davis. Nobody. Jason. TATUM. The Celtics were beating Lebron Eighty four times God no. No, and they are not beating this clipper team four-time. So this is not it. Again, I can watch sports PAC twelve football and have a ball Oregon Beats Cowan double overtime, and I'm thinking there's some NFL players on the field they're not beat Clemson Ohio. State Alabama that's how I feel about last night watching Boston in Toronto unbelievable game wildly entertaining. I mean, just it was an appetizer. The main course is out west by the way cons newest wireless ear buds, the everyday twenty-five airbeds best one yet fifteen percent off by con dot com slash hurt I wanna talk a little Aaron Rodgers here if I could. Aaron Rodgers said yesterday he believes the packers are flying under the radar in two thousand twenty. And you know it's really interesting. Two years ago everybody brought this Brady Aaron Rogers who's the goat and I said time out time out time out peyton manning's not in that. Bread Fox and in that. I mean Bradshaw eight men come on in Montana come on. We're we're we're moving way too fast on Ernie's halfway through his career. So I went this morning joy and we looked up. Prime years and when I made my prime years, how many years have you been a great quarterback? And, you've been a top two to three quarterback in the league top one or two. Tom Brady counted this. Fifteen. Dan Marino eleven. His knees fell apart late Peyton manning fourteen prime years elway fifteen sixteen. Breeze about twelve twelve and a half thirteen. Then, we went and looked at Aaron Rodgers. Fifteen years in the NFL. His first three he didn't play. We're down to twelve his rookie year he was six and ten. Didn't win a lot of games. Now we're down to eleven. Take a year away. He got hurt. And the last three years. One injured year and the other two heat had a clear decline in passing efficiency completion percentage quarterback rating. Aaron Rodgers prime years. Eight. And I don't think this year for Green Bay is fascinating. I don't consider him as good as Mahomes I don't consider him as dynamic as Lamar. Jackson I do not consider him right now as complete as Russell Wilson who I think's getting better not worse. And then we got all these guys when they're healthy like Carson Wentz that were like Whoa this is kind of special. So I think this year is fascinating for him two years ago when I push back on. Tom Brady Aaron, Rogers, who's the goat I'm like Whoa Whoa Whoa. Today. It's very possible. His prime years he had eight of them, which is about half of Brady. and. Tom Brady had three super bowls before Aaron. was drafted. And this morning. Most people in the NFL think Tom a better chance to win one this year. So the argument was always a word. And also made the point is I think errands I seven years in the League was better than Russell Wilson. I think two years ago. Russell Wilson became the better of the two and now everybody else is finally gone. Coward Right. I think Russell has surpassed him. I think we're also is the best football player in the world. mahomes is the greatest quarterback talent I. Don't think Russell can do certain things. Patrick can the difference is I think line of scrimmage efficiency I, get all the playmaking with Russell and I get that with Mahomes I get playmaking in his efficiency will just get better maybe by the end of this year. But it is. It's of I think it's fascinating to watch. Erin no longer has the ring argument. He's got one and a lot of people don't think myself included. They're going to get to another one. He doesn't have the stats argument what what the argument for Aaron now is he is super efficient and I just think about that. Two years ago. You were all over me. When I wouldn't buy into Brady. Rogers who's the goat? Today Aaron Rodgers go to. Tag Is. He's really efficient. He doesn't throw interceptions. It's not touchdown passes those are declining. Passer rating that's coming down not completion percentage. Instead of the goat conversation, it's he's very efficient. He never makes the big mistake. So I think this is a fascinating year for Aaron Rodgers. have. We kind of seen it with all these emerge member he comes from a different generation. The generation of quarterbacks entering the NFL the last. Four to five years. It's the eleven, eleven camp kids. It's the twelve thousand snaps by the time you're thirteen years old. This new generation of quarterbacks. Not only are many more talented. They're better faster with more snaps taken by the time they're twelve to fifteen years old. So this generation now it's getting good really really I mean small school is kind of Murray was a baseball guy well, Wyoming Guy Lamar Jackson Asia's. Guy You wake up and you're like Oh my Lord these guys were playoff quarterbacks. So I think the Aaron near is really fascinating can't wait to watch. I have a making the playoffs when in ten games. Have we seen by far and away the best? 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NFC West Betting Preview: 2 NFL Best Bets! Kyler Improvement, McVays Confidence, Russell Wilson MVP
"Along. That thou board with. Those Bet You twenty bucks I can get you can't for the end of day illnesses. How they? Pay Debts, men, his manny it's the board podcast. Really. The and Right back where I. Could still pick winners. Can still make money for all kinds of people back home and why mess up a good thing airs pain insider and todd. Bet The board podcast powered by Fox Bent I'm your host Todd Furman join as always by my steam colleague and cohost ago on the only pain insider. What's the good word my man Living the dream, my friend trying to grind away obviously a lot different SPA? Eleven's living the dream. There's no complaints at all about getting a little Stanley Cup playoff hockey between the bruins and Hurricanes Brighton early, obviously, not the best news as far as the sports landscape is concerned, I'm not sure if we wanted to address that or just sweep it all under the rug but. This is the world we live in fortunately, and thankfully pain our beloved NFL is full speed ahead that will get chiefs and taxes on a fateful Thursday night early September. That's all we can hope for just keep during the content. That's kind of why with this point we've prepared for the NFL and we cut back college football prep fingers crossed. We get a little of that. I will say I mean when you talk about opportunity cost at I talked to a couple of other handicappers out here. You're one of the first guys tell me hey, look i. want to scale back some of the work you're doing on those power five conferences that I was plowing through during June and July terms out that was A. Decision at least a few of the leagues that I started with initial prepped. for May, ultimately pay dividends even if we don't get college football for real until late September I'm such a guy man. Aren't. You. I wouldn't go that far but I'll say you're a man of the people. Hopefully, our listeners have taken advantage of the first to preview podcasts we rattled off, of course, leading the AFC east and the transition for the Patriots along with the NFC that appears to be a two-horse race and pain before we get into the topic at hand that will be the NFC west becomes one of the more fascinating divisions in the entire NFL this year. Wanted to get your take real quick on all the players you know a lot of impactful guys especially on the defensive side of the ball opting out for New England, and of course, you had one of the biggest playmakers on the jets roster doing the same given the protocols in place for Covid nineteen this season the Patriots is the big one we've already broken down. The AFC says you alluded to that was the first podcast we did so. Go back and give that a listen. There's the best bet in there as well. But I'm looking at the Patriots the NFL is moving forward towards this analytical approach even more than it has over the last few seasons and similar to baseball with war. We can now track like this approximate value over replacement level in the NFL. Look at pro football reference. They are already said that the Patriots lost more talent this off season than any team in the NFL since two thousand three that was before Patrick Chung and dont`a hightower and you have. Your ace special teamer Brandon bolden. GUYS OPTED OUT If there's a coach they can kind of camouflage these departures, it certainly bill Belichick, but the loss is to me are just so abundant. I don't love all the narrative based things. As you know, it's really tough to quantify those but I think if you disregard them altogether. You're probably a full. I think you have to look at what this means because dont`a hightower is a team captain. You have bill belichick greatest coach to do it I think his style obviously grinds on you. It's GonNa wear you down. We've heard NFL players leave. New. England say like how difficult it was just wonder what these opt-outs mean because it's more than just health in my mind. It kind of indicates that when we're super bowl contender players are willing to run through that brick wall for check but when we're projected to be about five hundred. Suddenly don't WanNa run through that wall, and if there's any ounce of truth to that I, think it's going to have a trickle down effect the attitude I think it permeates throughout the team even for guys that have an opt out what it means when they see all their leaders. decided to not participate this season, the jets so it is. I was GONNA say I mean we know the jets and will, of course, talk about the impact Jamal Adams will have me get to the Seattle seahawks. Cj Moseley. D all of a sudden I mean, what's he played one game in two years for the amount of money and king's ransom that they sent his way. Tough tough between him and John James. Those contracts aren't looking so great. So that was your your leader in the middle of the defense huge loss and I think it puts more onus on that Sam Darnold Adam Gates relationship that we covered on the AFC's podcast that offense is going to have to be significantly better. Now, that is a massive loss. We know it's not a position that has an abundance of talent on the jets roster I. Mean we saw when Cj Moseley went out and they got hit with a slew of other injuries they were starting practice squad players as their lead linebackers they're getting chewed up and coverage. Moseley's a huge loss. Pretty wild to think about all the dynamics that will have to address handicapping. Of course, as we get closer to week one, we'll talk about the impact of fans in various buildings and everything else that a lot of our listeners veterans that have been with us from day one, some of the folks that may be listening to this podcast with the very first time we'll begin understand goes in. Handicapping, not just the impact of one player coaching scheme and everything else along those same lines. But I feel pain you said this perfectly talking about the relationship between Adam Gates and Sam. Darnold when you look at the NFC west, I think we have a bundle of unique quarterback and head coach pairings that will get to and much like we did with the first two preview podcasts rather than any. Particular order we'll go in alphabetical make it simple. But before we do that, let's discuss just early share briefly what the odds look like Fox back to win the NFC west. The San Francisco Forty niners of course are defending divisional champs, their price that a shade better than even money right behind the Seattle Seahawks plus two, twenty five. Then you have the rams at seven to two and it's the. Arizona cardinals picking up the rear at nine to one. Meanwhile, the cardinals win total sits at seven and a half shaded to the over and since we're starting there I, think the biggest question I have to ask you would we define year one between cliff Kingsbury and Kyla Murray as a successful marriage but a strong foundation that that group is capable of using to build going forward I think so. We. Still don't know if Kingsbury can run an entire team couldn't at Texas Tech Thing was twenty three in forty. If you remove FCS opponents in in Kansas from his record policies, they're Kansas. Kansas counts FBI program at least theoretically you know we still don't know if the cardinals organization has the right defensive mind even in Vance Joseph he if he can be trusted to operate on this island essentially without help from his head coach but I think we can say with conviction. Kings varies one of the better offense of minds we saw last year had a willingness to adjust and adapt on the fly with a makeshift align, and he didn't have a true number one receiver. The running back for a good chunk of the season. He didn't like it was pretty impressive how he adopted. Now. You have these added weapons. You have chemistries you alluded to I think the expectations in your two for both cliff in cuyler much higher. So I think we're GONNA see certainly an increase in offensive production this year but I like what I saw at least initially in both their rookie campaigns in the NFL. When you look at Cuyler Murray last year started slow but. Gradually, pick things up and made some of those strategy. You'd like to see from a rookie quarterback I mean thirty seven, hundred passing yards, twenty touchdowns. Twelve interceptions led all rookies and completion percentage better than sixty four percent and the aforementioned passing yards five, hundred, forty, four rushing yards trailed Lamar Jackson amongst quarterbacks and I think pain for me the decision making that I saw look significantly better late in the year. Then when we had a game against the Baltimore Ravens, we went over the. Total and Arizona looked ill equipped to get into the end zone. Now you bring in a big time weapon De'andre Hopkins Statistically, speaking his ninety six plus catches and four the last five seasons eleven hundred receiving yards five of the last six years, and since two thousand thirteen hopkins is third in the NFL in receiving yards with six touchdowns over those last five years. How big an impact can hopkins have alongside the aging wonder Larry Fitzgerald and another emerging talent in Christian Kurkin is receiving core. Give Murray that bona fide number one receiver on the outside. It's huge. You mentioned Fitzgerald is day one hall of Famer, but he is getting a little older. Christian. Kirk has a great report with cuyler from their days at am and I think he's projected to ascend a little bit neither would be number one guys at this point pass you know. I think when you look at where they are in their careers. Christian. Kirk certainly ascending fitzgerald a little bit older. But the receiving options were bleak last season I mean David Johnson who appears to be playing with a piano on his back these days had the third most targets for the cardinals you look it's the injuries they suffered to the receiver group. It's a reason why Kingsbury offense was number one in the NFL and screen pass percentage twenty, two percent of all the passes were screens. But I like Hopkins obviously, if you look at where he operates, which last season was outside, sixty, four percent of his snaps on the outside, you mesh that with where cuyler was best where he had his most success throwing as a rookie it was outside to receivers and tight ends when you look at cuyler when he through to the right side of the field in the air fifteen yards or more, the cardinals were nine percent better than league average passing success rate twelve percent better than league average on those same throws to the left side. So you add hopkins into the mix, he's gotten ability to run routes and create separation. I think that's really going to bode. Well, if you look last season Hopkins, called it a down year for him. He still averaged two point, seven yards of separation per route run. That was better than a lot of big dudes outside that. Get All the praise Michael Thomas Amari Mike Evans obgyn digs hopkins was better in separation than those guys. So that's huge for cuyler. The one thing we touched on it a little bit back in March that I'm still monitoring with Kyle a close eye on it. is how Kylie throws the ball over the middle. If you look at Arizona's passing offense last season, Kyle targeted receiver a tight end over the middle of field in the zero to fourteen yard range. It wasn't good. The cardinals were eight percent worse than league average and success rate fourteen percent worse when the ball was thrown fifteen or more yards in the middle in the air. It's not to bash him obviously, but you start to think the height, the five ten height. Is preventing him from being able to see as well throwing the ball over his offensive line, throwing the ball over defenders in the middle of the field I. think it's something that we have to monitor in year two. I think what you're hoping for if you're cardinals fan. Is that not only will hopkins kind of improve that strength throwing outside but the attention paid to hopkins allows guys like Fitzgerald in Kirk in ills, Avella to kind of flourish over the middle but listen I if thrown over the middle is in Tyler attribute, he's got plenty of other redeeming qualities. Electric his legs or something. You have a game plan for his ability to improvise whether it was a scripted run where you know a defense thinks you know, hey, we got him dead to rights many times. You don't. If you look at work hyler really excelled last year average nearly ten yards per carry seventy, seven percent success rate when scrambling because of pressure todd I think we just hope for his sake there's a little more help upfront this season. While you mentioned that and when you talk about the Arizona Cardinals, of course, the diminutive quarterback even with the mobility of Kyla Murray. That's clearly where you WANNA look along the offensive line, they go out there and they signed Kelvin Beecham, who started forty five of forty eight games for the jets finished third amongst tackles in pass blocking win rate at a shade better than ninety four percent according to ESPN stats and Info they do have Marcus Gilbert opting out who was expected to take the starting right tackle job you now look at just and Murray or maybe a third round pick and Josh Jones that can give them depth but from the existing roster place pain where you feel comfortable with an old line that can protect Murray and give them a semblance of a ground game behind Kenyan drake will be playing under that transitional tag. It's a weird offense of wine and we love digging into some of the metrics but you know they weren't great the cardinals and creating space in the ground game. So they're twenty-second adjusted line yards twenty six adjusted sack right allowed. But what's really interesting is the line finished third in pass blocking efficiency tenth in place block win rate. It tells me going back to Qin. Kings vary that his scheme is pretty good. It really helped the offensive line out in some areas. Arizona had the most injured O- line group in the NFL. So there's some things pointing up there. You're right Marcus. Gilbert he is opting out I think that's a pretty big loss. The cardinals did add Josh Jones from Huston, the rookie tackle. I'm not sure what he's going to be able to contribute right away under the current circumstances but the cardinal's offensive line coach actually recruited Jones in high school. So he's familiar with his abilities a little bit. Let's not forget Max William last year was added. Great out the best run blocking tight end in two thousand nineteen. If you look at where cliff loves running, it's outside zone and with good reason, Arizona had a fifty six percent success rate an outside zone runs last season Max Williams is a big part of that. He pinches off the edgy helps Kenyan drake get. Outside it was really beauty to watch. The other thing that I think helps the offensive line is is having Kenyan drake for the entire year. The difference he made last year to this offense and as you alluded to, it started the trend up towards the end of the year. It's because Kenyan drake and and they started to change things offensively they changed their formation. Aptitude where they were running ton of ten personnel, they decided not to do that. But Kenyan drake was the huge difference in this offense and I think his familiarity helps a little bit. But you focus on Kenyan drake good God cliff Kingsbury used him on nearly eighty percent of the snaps. The final eight games averaged one hundred and two scrimmage yards. He deserved to get all those snaps in the one thing the cardinals offense really struggled with. Their First Down Success I eight Games cardinals offense twenty sixth in I down success rate three percent worse than league average with Kenyan Drake Finally Games Arizona eighth and I down success rate three percent better than league average. What does that do for a young quarterback when he suddenly not faced with long situations on second and third down so drake was helping everybody it was vital that he was implemented into this offense. So I think having him for a full season is is a huge huge gift for the cardinals. Of. Kenyan drake doesn't work out the cardinals can continue to stockpile Arizona state running back I mean Dj Foster Benjamin maybe they'll just create a pipeline therefrom herm Edwards in funnel, right into cliff Kingsbury offense. But for all the optimism pain I, think a lot of have about the cardinals offense and how exciting it could be near two of those to continue to be on the same page head coach and starting quarterback. Obviously, there's some things that people are worried about what the Arizona cardinals that's why their win total is seven and a half, and you mentioned Vance Joseph earlier hilly. The defense that was ranked dead last in the NFL too loud more than four hundred yards. Per Game, we know the Chandler. Jones is the biggest name on that side of the ball five straight double digit sack seasons most in the NFL nineteen sacks that included three games. We didn't even record a single one they went out there and they address some of their needs along the defensive line. You look in the secondary Patrick Peterson Bona fide number one theoretically but maybe not as elite as he was a couple of seasons ago. But what do you make of this stop unit for the Arizona Cardinals Isaiah Simmons all the town the world but asking rookie to contribute right out of the gate to the truncated preseason seems to be a little bit of a reach. I'm not sure ventures of its and I witnessed him I you firsthand down in here in Miami. Two Thousand Sixteen, the dolphins finished nineteenth defensive efficiency against the bottom ten schedule of offenses in somehow vans parlayed that into the Denver Broncos head coaching job. And his defense is finished top ten full seasons there but he inherited the number one defense prior to his arrival. Get. Shit canned and then Arizona hires last season and the cardinals defense finished twenty third against the top ten schedule of offenses. I think this is a monster year for Vance. you start to kind of poke around you try to give the guy a chance. There are some positives I think the indicate probably a better defensive cardinals unit this year we're projecting them right now to face a below average schedule of offenses that should help the glaring weakness of the cardinals defense should improve something we talked about it nauseam todd anytime we broke down cardinals game last season especially I think during those primetime. Games against George on the forty niners they couldn't cover tight ends. They couldn't cover running backs. You mentioned Isaiah Simmons I think he helps immediately with that. But what's really interesting is how they're gonNA use them. We know his versatility he doesn't have a crew position I. Mean you got to play at one position though I think to make his transition to the NFL that much more seamless right I mean you're not gonNA. Drop. Yet, yeah, exactly. What they're talking about doing they said, hey we're gonNA use them as a middle linebacker. We know he's a rookie. We know he's behind the eight ball with short and offseason. So they're going to start a middle linebacker I think his athletic ability his speed to cover tight ends I think helps day one though, and if you look Arizona dead last in receiving yards and touchdowns allowed to tight ends, the NFL average for touchdowns allowed to tight ends was six point two last season. Arizona gave up sixteen touchdowns. Two tight ends couldn't cover running backs either finish twenty fifth or worse in receptions receiving yards in receiving touchdowns allowed to running back. So you have a gazelle out there like Isaiah Simmons and I think that has to improve those two areas. You get another boost though both projected starting corners from season to go either injured or suspended Robert for never played a snap they him to. A pretty nice deal in the offseason last year from. ATLANTA. Patrick Peterson suspended the first six game. So the cardinals pass defense was horrific gave a belief. I seventy two explosive passes first six weeks without Peterson Alford, and then you had the rookie Byron? Murphy effectively like thrown into the fire out of necessity Arizona love fifty, five, percent pass degrade successful ten percent more than league average final ten games with Peterson. Murphy having a little more experience. There was a seven percent improvement passing success rate and oddly the part that left me questioning Vance a little bit was despite not being able to cover tight ends and running backs a secondary. That had a lot of key cogs missing for these large stretch of the season Van said. Hey Bucket I'm just going to blitz he sent. percent of the Yes, you can run the back end just impression. Hope it gets on. Brahmos it didn't get home he blitz a forty percent of the time. It was the third highest rate in the. NFL. But the Russian never got home unfortunately Arizona was twenty-six six, pressure eight. So they were left exposed the secondary by this blitzing defense that rarely impacted opposing quarterbacks. It was a disaster in the scheme didn't help at all. It's going to be an interesting team to watch if. They can figure out anything on the defensive side. You talked about the schedule being a little bit more favorable vision that's not going to really give them any easy out as far as six opportunities against the NFC west should be a fun team to watch and we'll see what they can do with this unique talent that they have. Offensively the kind of performance is they can put forth but I. Know Todd when you mentioned that offense to kind of put a bow tie, they have to start hot because if you look at the schedule from week ten on Arizona faces teams projected to win nearly nine games on average from week ten onward they have to start. So. Much of it's about momentum and you talk about this team in the direction they can had we know that things can easily be derailed in the NFL and I guess that makes sense for the next thing that we're going to discuss with the Los, Angeles Rams win total sits at eight and a half it is indeed shaded to the over of course, the rams missed the playoffs for the first time under coach Sean mcvay last season they are however the only team in the NFL to finish with a winning record yet missed the playoffs in two thousand, nineteen they of course won the NFC west. In. Two thousand, seventeen in two, thousand, eighteen compiled at twenty four and eight record over those seasons which was tied for best in the NFL and they've had a winning record every year under coach McVeigh, thirty, three, and fifteen. The only franchise with a better record during that span would be the New Orleans saints. But pain when we look at McVeigh and we talk about a potential rebound, it's gotta come quick because this team and franchise put themselves in salary cap hell were they have three point nine, million cap space available the only teams in worse shape right now the raiders and the Tampa Bay Bucks. It's hard to say this about coach I like. One of. The least interesting teams in the League Todd so much so that I didn't even watch hard knocks last night. Did you manage to watch that? Know what I was going to start it, and then once the Golden Knights game got going on time realizes about ten, fifteen, ten, thirty figure I don't really care about the two teams that are GonNa be playing so-fi stadium all that much this year. The rams are in a weird spot in in you kind of alluded to this they're trying to shed some dead cap. They didn't have a first round pick. This year won't as it stands in twenty twenty one to me. They're trying to build back some of their resources so they can make another run in two or three seasons. But the other three teams in the NFC Wester far more interesting. There really isn't a story line to the twenty twenty rams aside from McVeigh's confidence in my mind and last year when we previewed the rams, I think we discussed. Little Bit of the Super Bowl hangover and then they had to play the toughest schedule in the entire league. So wasn't surprising that they had down season. We even joked about mcvay kind of having his soul ripped out by bell check and Flora's and I have to tell you. There's no question to me McVeigh's loss of confidence and he starting to really question some things it because for the first time McVeigh's been la says hey. I'm going to appoint an offensive coordinator in Kevin O'CONNELL and he said he wanted to inject a fresh viewpoint into the offense. To me, there's no middle ground here this in my opinions either GonNa help in a big way or it's a sign that McVeigh has truly lost. The MOJO mcvay claims he's still gonNA call place but I was listening to Jared Goff interview and he said the core values of the offense are going to remain the same but there's going to be some new things implemented todd so I'm intrigued to see what that means for the rams offense. Well, when we talk about the rams offense philosophy I, mean you've outlined it and kind of bang the drum over the last couple of seasons it all starts with the effectiveness of a play action pass and the offense was ranked top five in the NFL both passing yards, and in the red zone last season, they put forty three rushing touchdowns on the board over the last two seasons the most in the NFL of course, the lion share of those coming on the shoulders of Todd. Gurley with him gone pain who ultimately the baton I mean is it going to be? Daryl Henderson it's GonNa get First Crack Malcolm Brown camakers Jones John Kelly I. Don't know what to make of the rams back. The clearly Henderson was a guy that we were high on a season ago didn't peruse and after averaging twenty four point, six points per game. It was a precipitous drop off from the thirty one point four, they did in their route to get to the super bowl they're gonNA need a running back to step up maybe it's camakers because when you look at the rams off season, they traded away brandin cooks they draft camakers, they draft a tight end. Of their first four picks were either tight end or running back, it would indicate to me L. A. Plans on starting this season with the mindset of how they finished last year, and that's transitioning to a heavier formation offense. If you look lashed, you're the first ten weeks mcvay US two tight end sets twelve percent of the time final seven weeks forty percent and the two big beneficiaries were tyler higby and golf to an extent. I think golf is going to be helped by this again, higby good God final five games at five, hundred, twenty, two yards literally one some teams fantasy leagues I think he is going to be relied upon heavily if you look higby snaps doubled. In Iran three times, more routes per game. The final five games in the first eleven huge benefactor of mcvay going with heavier formations and I think he also helped in pass blocking because that was an issue and if you look at Higby, he's always been good and pass protection. He's had sixteen hundred in three pass block snaps in his career only allowed three sacks so. Again, it helped golf gave him some much needed protection that he wasn't getting from the Oh liner owned the season. If you look golf actually wasn't sacked one time when the rams used to were more tight ends on the field. Last season you touched on this right the loyal listeners know if you've listened to this podcast, we've chronicle this. We've led the charge golf AIDS pressure. Doesn't like to be hit I think is toughness is a little bit questionable treats the ball like a hot potato he melts when pressure is on. And, the dichotomy Goff's numbers are massive when he was pressured last season passer rating dip forty points completion rate dropped thirty, one percent. He doesn't show at this point a willingness to stand in the pocket or step into the pocket and deliver a ball and getting hit, and you can kind of see that a little bit. There was a real lack of aggressiveness according to player Tracking Data. Golf was thirty fifth out of thirty nine quarterbacks and aggressiveness as a passer his air yards were down his depth per completion was down. Golf needs a clean pocket. He's better when his feeder set. So it'll be interesting to see with these heavier formations if McVeigh uses more play auction. We love the increased use of it but again, I'm not sure we want Goff's feet moving more than than they to, and if you look last season golf had a better passer rating when he threw the ball without play action and oddly he threw more interceptions than touchdowns when using play action so. It's GonNa be interesting to see what this rams offense does. The last thing we want to talk about here, kind of before we transition to the other side of the ball is the o line down the stretch improved and again partly because I think the help of the two tight end sets, but all five lineman returned for. La. So there is some continuity in that means more in this offseason. Rob Haven Stein had his worst season as a pro. You should bounce back a little bit. Your Hope Boston Blythe returns to his two thousand eighteen form in terms of pass protection. Rams are projected the face, a schedule posing pass rushers. That's bottom ten leak. Then you go out yet camakers I think he's an upgrade, I really do his vision at times as great. Soma I'm about to tell you what what his issues are. The vision isn't great because he's this converted high school quarterback but I think there's a lot of upside when you think about and we talk about this all the time, the offensive lines that he had to run behind at Florida, state? And they were the focal point of our shows on on. Wednesday. But if you look at acres productions as a junior, everything was mostly his own doing seventy, nine percent of acres rushing yards came after first contact his elusiveness was off the charts forced miss tackles on thirty, two percent of his touches. So I think it's imperative when you look at McVeigh, he's got to get the ground game going again this season. But it's GonNa be difficult. You just mentioned he's got a slew running back options. Let's see what he goes with I. Think Cam and Henderson are probably the lead guys, but they face a top five schedule of run defenses. So it's not going to be easy and you talked about to change and offensive philosophy McVeigh handing off some of the responsibilities to offensive coordinator, we're going to see some changes on the defensive side. As, well, a veteran DC, and Wade Phillips out. Brandon Staley's in and pain. When you look at this defense, the linebacking core is absolutely barren while the secondary in my opinion has some talent. We know what extremely young Nicole Roby Coleman guy that we've talked about at great length and what the impact he'll have in his new places absence will be felt they have superstars in Jalen, Ramsey Aaron Donald but I guess The biggest question that I have, we're the hell's the pass rush come from Aaron Donald is disruptive force on the defensive line but I can't see anywhere else that the rams go. Hey, look this is where we're going to trust getting sex and it doesn't get easier when you're talking about losing Dante. Fowler Losing Clay Matthews you underperformed during most of his time there and then on the back end, of course Eric retiring. I'm down on the rams defense and we don't know much about that new DC Brennan, Staley Young Guy in his thirties he is from the VIC Fangio tree vic hired him in two thousand, seventeen from a Catholic college in Ohio to be the bears outside linebackers coach followed victim Denver for the same job. So staley only three years in the NFL never more than an. Outside linebackers coach to this is a big leap here and it'll be interesting to see what his style is. If it Mir's Fangio's or if he has a different philosophy without a normal off season or preseason games, it's going to be difficult to gauge some of these things I know McVeigh has hinted trying to be more hands on with the defense todd to suit him. Guys he got his even watch the defense. He's got back to the field what his defense is out there, and all of a sudden he's going to become a defensive guru I that's a stretch I get where go but you're right. We typically see him like isolated in the corner somewhere drawn up plays for the next offensive possession when his defense is on the field. But let's see what it looks like in two thousand twenty in the thing that McVeigh said he wants a defense it's more matchup driven with Week week-to-week week philosophies that change it smart definitely how it should be done. But I think it's tough to implement that this year and when you go down to the actual players on the rams defense, it's tough having questions I think about a unit that includes Aaron Donald but I'm not sure about the depth along the Rams Defensive Line question marks as you alluded to at linebacker and slot corner back in March on our off season preview podcasts, we talked about the importance of Cory Littleton in today's game he's a good cover linebacker. He's a surefire tackler few look littleton finish top twenty in yards allowed per route run among linebackers with at least four hundred. Covered snaps a far and away the most efficient tackling linebacker last season. That's a massive loss in the heart of the rams defense. It wasn't worth the price tag of retaining, Dante Fowler. But losing him isn't a positive wet overtired I think most no our feelings at this point about Roby Coleman if you smart listened to the NFC. East betting preview and we touched on him Nicole Roby Coleman in today's game huge loss one of five corners to record four hundred or more coverage naps in the slot in two thousand nineteen allowed zero point six, three yards per coverage nap gigantic loss. I think the loan positive here is it looks like the schedule of offenses faced is projected to be below average slightly easier than last season. Especially when you factor in the past protecting ability of the offensive line's, you're gonNA need big years from rockers. Aba Cam at those two are going to have a chance to eat in their new increased roles but the rams are going to have their hands full trying to stop the run this year tot. How dare we not respect Leonard Floyd the impact he could have that the rams brought him over a guy who's underachieved his previous stop but yeah, I'm right there with Ya. I. Think when you look at this rams team, they're gonNA, have to outscore everyone because that defense isn't going to get stopped consistently should be interesting to try and see when you're matching up twice a year with the team like the San Francisco Forty niners who have their win total set at ten and a half shaded to the over Fox. and. Of course, the forty niners paying you mentioned continuity and how important it'll be in twenty twenty they returned eighteen of twenty, two starters from last year super bowl only three, the last nine super bowl runner ups have gone on to win their division the next season. So the forty niners working against bit history there five streets seasons four this franchise without a winning record until they broke through last year ultimately lost a turnover battle in just four games. which I think we often try and figure out is that sustainable year to year again with the forty niners and of course, get to their defense I. Think the biggest question that a Lotta fans out there have is Jimmy G. Good enough to be the pivot Kyle Shanahan needs to ultimately get them over the Hump not come up eight minutes short of bringing Lombardi trophy back to the bay area. We still haven't figured out where you get that terminology from. Every called a pivot it's not a quarterback it's not single caller it's not to pivot. Yeah, you mix it up a little bit from time to time. No DOC emrick here with the way I can talk about nine thousand different ways to describe a pass in hockey, but we try to keep things fresh as best we can is it almost eleven yet? No got about eighteen minutes until I two. Now you're droning on about NFC teams I start to watch hockey. I may have to flip that on mute as well. Which is typically I watch hockey anyways. Jimmy. G.. I'm going to ignore that day continue with G di? tried. Man The was got screwed in the draft thing. They had to send him to a big market. You have to make the Rangers King's relevant. You Got Sidney Crosby for a few more years your pens be fine. We'll get you. We'll get a hockey podcast on here somewhere and people can see your true colors oh. Yeah Oh. Yeah. Jimmy G. I think he's good enough. The offense is good. Enough Kyle Shanahan arguably the best play caller and designer in the NFL right now. He does all the things that. Most great offensive coordinators in minds do they use play action they use a higher rate of pre snap motion. So there's only going to be I think varying degrees of good from Kyle Shanahan in the offense. The question you kind of mentioned air everyone seems to have with the four hundred is. Do they have the right guy under center. Is Jimmy G. Good Enough? That it feels odd to me and I think you can roll the tape on on her super bowl podcast back in late January, we nixed the idea that Jimmy was the problem. Then I don't believe they'll be what prevents the forty niners from winning super bowl this season either. Were higher on Emmanuel Sanders I. Think than most but it seems like Jimmy Jeez getting crushed his abilities are being questioned for overthrowing. A thirty-three-year-old possession receive run a fifty, five yard deepak pressure in his face. You know there was really no continuity. Those two guys played ten games together I get it. It's a huge play, but it's one snap of an entire season sample and I think that's what most are latching onto. Meanwhile when you look at the entire seasons ample. Jimmy G. was the very best deep passer in the NFL seventy, four percent Jessica percentage deep throws the next bet qualifying border back was in fifty four percent. So you look at Jimmy G. I. Think he was largely responsible for the forty niners having the highest explosive pass rate in the NFL those throws of twenty or more yards. That's important chunk place. I'm not making excuses for the guy, but I think if you remember back, Garoppolo did all this in his first season back from an ACL tear? He faced the top ten schedule passing defenses as you mentioned at the top. Kyle Shanahan won a grand total of ten games. His first two seasons in San Francisco Combined Jimmy Johns first full season thirteen wins. And it would appear to me Jimmy confidence is high right now, I don't know if you've done some reading over the last eighteen hours, but he's shedding the Nibras it's coming off. So he's not going to wear one this season and when I look at the two thousand, twenty season todd in the forty niners offense I think this is probably the first time we can start to be critical in Nitpick Jimmy. Look at Jimmy G.. Of course, it's not just ham we'll get to the offensive line which I think is an interesting group to discuss. But as far as his weapons are concerned, George cadle brandon I you the talented receiver they draft out of Arizona State Deebo Samuel breaks his foot during June workouts. Let's hope he's one hundred percent by the time the. Season gets going in September but doesn't have enough weapons in the passing game. We know there's changing faces in the Backfield as well with her he most you think poised to probably be the lead back, but we know Kyle Shanahan has always gonNA divvy up that carries and not rely on one back to Belco getting twenty touches a game we're going to. Get more from Jimmy G. This year I I really do when you look at the entire landscape, you lose Emmanuel Sanders, you mentioned deebo Samuel breaks his foot. It's not an easy injured or recover from quickly for a number of reasons. I'm not sure we're going to see him at the the onset of the year. So you're down your two highest greater receivers on the roster marquees. Goodwin also moved on. I. Think most would say like well, you know Kyle. Shanahan ran the ball for the first three quarters at the third highest rate in the League is first team no Biggie. I would tend to agree, but the forty niners or a top five schedule of run defenses. This season it was below average last year sue now we anticipate a tougher run schedule. The weapons outside take a little bit of a dip is on Jimmy G. to lift the offense up more the season. You know the forty niners they go out draft Brandon Euch. Explosive. Guy. Great, run after the catch guy can jump a country mile. Let's remember. The JUKU guy wasn't fully developed the knock on him was his route running, and if you look at his route tree at the college level, seventy percent of his targets at Asu. Last season either slants goes posts very basic routes. It's not a really robust route tree right now I you plays one of the toughest position to be a factor as a rookie. Now, we have this extremely shortened off season but I think he's probably a good space receiver and he's going to fill that role deebo Samuel out of the gates if Deebo isn't there I think it's Important, you look a Kendrick born. He's gotTa take the next step and whether it's Jalen Hurd or it's done a pettus. One of those guys needs to be a factor. But the guy I'm hearing the buzz about we're finally going to see Jerick McKinnon and teammates are raving about him. The last time we saw him was like two years ago fifty one receptions from the running back position. Kyle chaining is gonNA find matchups in the past game for him I. Think now more than ever. It's also crazy to say this but maybe more goes on George Kettles plate if that's possible and if you look the forty niners throat in the middle of the field that sixty five percent clip in the league kiddle, Jimmy, G. had a great bond. Last season throws over the Middle Jimmy G. recorded the highest total EPA in the League I love that the forty niners acted fast. They used a previous relationship is well, you hinted at the offensive line. They had a glaring issue there left tackle with Joe Staley retiring they rob Washington Trent Williams. So now Jimmy Jeez blindside is protected a fifth and a third round pick for premium player to premium position had a full year to get healthy reunites with cal. Shanahan. WHO SPENT FOUR YEARS WITH IN WASHINGTON? Perfect fit todd you also Jordan read it came down Sunday afternoon. Do I think he is like the alternate? Eight, he'll be on the field for eight snaps before he ends up hurt again let's not kid ourselves. You're missing the point here right? These are low risk high reward signings, and when you have a team that just needs that one player that one guy to get them over the hump or that one special move or play in a big game is Jordan Reed could potentially. Add that it also indicates we might see a little more two tight end sets here with some of those receivers that could be out or too young to contribute right away. So at least at the onset of the season, if you're trying to get young receivers acclimated Deebo, Mrs Time maybe you start using more twelve before Jordan eluded to leaves and departs with an injury. Offensive. Line was one of the strengths for this team pain. We know about some of the stars that are there. They did have a few guys opt out which I think hurt their depth defensively the forty niners at the top ranked pass defense in the league allowing less than one hundred, seventy yards per game was actually the fewest passing yards at team has allowed since the two thousand nine jets and I think a lot of that pain you don't have to be a rocket scientist to. figure out that they were so good on the back end because they're pass Russia's elite a fifth and sack led by of course, Mr Bosa Eric Armstead deforest Buckner, who's no longer there in d., Ford and they were also very good with undersized albeit athletic linebackers that were great in terms of taking away the tight end. But when you look at this secondary I mean some major question marks there if they can't get home does the forty niners defense and evidently take a step back. I think that makes sense. Yeah. But I do believe Robert Salon will have a very, very good defense again and I think he's really responsible for the forty niners. Making that Super Bowl run because his defense made a huge leap from twenty third defensive efficiency to second year-over-year. Even crazier that gigantic uptick happened with forty niners having the seventh most injured defense. A lot of guys in that secondary were banged up. It'll be interesting to see if the unit can maintain that dominance I think were were calling for some slight regression. Right. Off The bat, the forty niners go from facing a slightly above average schedule of offenses. Last season to a projected top three schedule offenses in two thousand twenty. So that's really where we think some of the regression probably happens down the stretch we started to see a few areas. The forty niners defense could be exploited a little bit. We saw in the forty niners defense face top five offenses they performed at a level below expectation. First half of the season seem like the forty niners defense built the reputation on being elite or one of the best ever. A, lot of that was in part to the competition. If you go back to the first eight weeks of last season when they were stacking up these numbers, San Francisco's defense played offenses with an average efficiency rank of twenty fifth the quarterbacks over that stretch yet guys like Mason. Rudolph James Dalton Two quarterbacks that had down years and Mayfield in Goff they face case keenum and in monsoon and then Kyle Allen. So we felt like there was some noise in some of those early season numbers and we talked about that last year. You'll look at how they fared against top five offenses inefficiency. The forty niners were two and three. In those games they allowed fifty four percent of runs degrade successful in forty, nine percent of passes against all other teams. Forty. Seven percent against the run thirty, seven percent against the past. Now I think everyone listens like, Hey, it's obvious. Right. When you play lead offense is GonNa be tougher to defend. But if you look at how those five offenses performed on average for a full season last year and how they performed against the forty niners defense the second best buy by the metrics four of the five offenses met or outperformed their season-long numbers against the forty niners defense in the Super Bowl Kansas City met their season long success number fifty, one, percent week ten, seattle exceeded their season long success rate metric by five percent week seventeen. Seattle under shot at by five percents that was like the lone win for the San Francisco Defense Week Thirteen. Baltimore is a complete downpour. They exceeded their season long rushing success rate metric by three percent, which was a massive number, two eclipse, and then on top of that, you know you look at that game no one was passing the ball in that game they knew they had to run being successful in fifty eight percent of runs in that game with the weather being ridiculous was pretty impressive. The Saints Offense Week Fourteen, who is number one in the NFL and overall success rate of fifty three percent outperform that number by three percent against San Francisco's defense. You mentioned at the top and we talked about it all last year San Francisco's defense was great because they had an ability to get pressure without blitzing number two and pressure rate but blitz the fourth least perfect combination but San Francisco wasn't this. You know elite defense getting pressure on early downs or in the red zone something we covered in the Super Bowl podcast the gist average in red zone success rate allowed. So to me, I'm a little concerned with the loss of deforest Buckner, I, think they paid the wrong guy I made. That known back in March buckner finished eighth more better in three straight seasons in pressures for all interior linemen. Now, get it. You can't afford everyone and you get his replacement in round one with J von in law he fills that whole and long-term. There will likely be a value gain based on dollar save versus production, but you're in win now mode to me damn good defense it'll continue to be but I don't think it'll be that elite unit that finished second efficiency I believe we see like Utah a small step back this year. And if there's a team poice poised easy for me to say to knock the forty niners off their perch, it may well fact be the Seattle Seahawks win total sits at nine and a half shaded to the over this franchise. It has not won the NFC west since two, thousand sixteen but finished second place each of the last three seasons. When you look at the way, they've built everything around Russell Wilson a winner winning record in Eighth Street seasons every year that Russell Wilson has been team starting quarterback. Only the Patriots have a longer active streak average eleven wins this season with him going back to two, thousand twelve and they're one of. Two teams with double digit wins each of the last two years. What's interesting? No pain. They're twenty and ten, the division and only ten eight against divisional foes over a limited sample size. Is this the year we finally see the Seattle seahawks take the governor off. Russell. Wilson and allow him to be the quarterback. We know he can be and not just have to scramble around make plays every single series on third and eight. You Cheer Hope and I know we've been carrying the Russell. Wilson Torch for Awhile thought you know the last two seasons we've made sure that that flame Burns Taller and wider and we hold it higher so everyone can see. and. We've we've attributed his value to the seahawks organization almost similarly to to Lebron meant to Cleveland, and we've almost like pushed for an ownership stake. He's so important that movements kind of happening. You know people now understand how valuable Russell Wilson is he's guy that's never received an MVP vote in his entire career. Now he's being mentioned as one of the better. So wild. So wild to me of all the stats I read that earlier this off season, and now it seems like he's he's being mentioned as one of the better. MVP bets this season. The problem and you kind of hinted at this, we're still waiting on Pete Carroll. Brian Schottenheimer, to figure this out. This point they haven't and every time we think they're about to you know figure this thing out. We're kind of left disappointed. It shouldn't be difficult to understand. that. When you pay Russ what you pay him, he needs the ball in his hands more because what's around him probably is diminished so you could actually pay him what you paid them. It seems like a simple. When you look at Wilson's player tracking data the last two seasons with Brian Schottenheimer as. I think this probably becomes more evident. Because, Russell Wilson's expected completion percentage under Schottenheimer is bottom five in the NFL but is completion percentage above expectation has been top five back to back seasons. So it says he's not being put in great positions, but yet he still one of the best quarterbacks in the leak. So this is like quite essential meaning of the phrase turning chicken shit in the chicken salad and I think you know when you look at Russell Wilson. He can't be a quarterback on a team that only throws the twenty seventh most in the NFL. He needs to be a bigger part of this offense and hopefully that's the case this year. I mean, his numbers are simply staggering when you talk about a guy who was top five in the NFL and passing touchdowns in passer rating last year yet sacked forty eight times. which time for the League lead turnover differential they were plus twelve tied for third in the NFL and truly elite when it came to red zone scoring obviously, we know that the seahawks live and die with some of their ground attack where they had the fourth ranked rushing offense. A season ago, the Ad Carlos side and Dj Dallas. We know Rashaad Penny and Chris. Carson dealt with major injuries which kind of derailed any playoff aspirations but you also have emerging stars or at least one emerging star decay metcalf went fifty catches for nine hundred plus yards and seven touchdowns. Think he makes a major jump in his second season alongside tyler. Lockett do does Seattle have the weapons pain that you feel comfortable with if they allow Russell Wilson to do what he does best and finally maybe throw on early downs. That's the hope listen we've kind of bagged on. Schottenheimer a little bit here but there was some improvement in if you you mentioned I down specifically, there was a ten point one percent increase year over year in first down pass rate. That's a positive side. Still, far too much running second down and I think that's the next step in the evolution of the offense were hoping to see especially when you look at the schedule of defenses Seattle faces twenty twenty projecting the toughest schedule of run defenses, but just slightly above average of passing defenses. So it's really time to to Unleash Russ, the weapons around him are better than people think too. We saw Tyler Lockett increases production with Doug Baldwin choosing to retire even playing through an injured ankle, the final seven games last season lock it's one thousand yard receiver and. Increased his reception rate by forty five percent. The biggest thing to me though is lock. It showed an ability not just to be like this one trick pony deep threat he could run routes to. Three, point two yards of separation per route run for lock at fourth, most separation of any receiver targeted one hundred or more times. You mentioned decay metcalf specifically surge down the stretch as a rookie I think that bodes well for a year to leap twenty two percent of the seahawks target share. The Final Ten Games had twenty four explosives. He's this rare combination man of of size and speed he can get downfield he can create separation, but he's also this big target in the end zone in the red zone decay led the NFL in end zone targets. Last season. Greg. Olson still has enough in the tank to be a factor plus disley. Think could have a big year if he can stay healthy was the sixth sixth place fantasy production the first six weeks of last season. Then he gets injured additionally, you might be investing before information actually occurs I sent a note last week one of my guys up there said. Listen Seattle would be very open to a Josh Gordon. Reunion if the League reinstates him, I would be looking at either him. Or. A B.. Now, they haven't publicly said ANYTHING ABOUT A B but they publicly or saying some things about Gordon Ab we know is now suspended the first. Eight Games. So. You have to take a risk on him. He's still got the other case pending. So who knows what comes of that but they're talking to both Abyan Gordon potentially one of the two being added. To vinyl things, todd seahawks offensive line we know is a weak link but on the left side, there's at least some continuity you have Dwayne Brown, you have mei-chieh potty you bring in a new starting center and Bj. Finney. Who is Benny backup in Pittsburgh but he's in his prime in four starts last you're only allowed three pressures on one hundred and sixty five pass blocking snaps. If that can somehow translate to a full season, it's a grand slam pickup the sixty ninth pick Seattle took guard Damian Lewis. He is a huge human and you saw his draft stock rise in the Auburn game when played well against. On they've penciled Brandon Shallan at right tackle is shell like this awesome player no. But his worst season over the last four years is a pro is better than any of the four seasons previous right tackle Jermaine IFM has had so it's very possible. The offensive line is a little bit better. This season there's going to be competition throughout right now pete has nineteen offensive lineman on the roster. Okay. So there's going to be competition the last thing and it meshes with the SEAHAWKS O. Line. Even if the aligns improved on I, think you have to get Russell Wilson moving around more have amuse play action more roll him out help Russ help the line by providing this moving target for the defense. But additionally, if you look at Russell Wilson's numbers, he is freaking fantastic with play action completion percentage rose seven percent passer rating improved twenty five points. His yards per pass attempt rose a full two yards more with play action ten touchdowns two zero interceptions with play action. I think you keep Wilson's feet moving and it's going to help this offense. Take that next step in in two thousand, twenty time. I mean just put your playmakers in a position to make plays, and your biggest playmaker is a man who touches the ball on every single offensive snap. I don't want to oversimplify how difficult it is to build. Offensive game plans are called plays to things that I'll never do in my entire life. But Common Sense says somewhere along the way, Russell Wilson has to be that guy defensively for the seahawks we know about the big off season edition you go out there your trade for Jamal Adams it gives them a guy that they're most likely going to give a Max deal to to try and recreate the glory. Days where the Legion of boom more or less patrol that defensive backfield you go out there you pick up a linebacker in Jordan Brooks which fits their mold in the draft from Texas Tech. We know the strength of this team defensively, Bobby Wagner, and Cagey. Right. They really struggled last year in the past defense giving up two hundred and sixty three plus yards per game, which was good for twenty seven. But I think a lot of that pain came from the simple fact that they only recorded twenty eight sex number that was second than elite behind only dolphins have the seahawks done enough defensively to at least make. Knit better knowing that the offense can be sneaky good and put up points on a somewhat regular basis Seattle's. Back Seven Has the potential to really you'll yielded to the big question marks the front four, they lost Quinton, Jefferson and free agency all along the interior of the line he was you know their elite pressure guy finished seventeenth in total pressures among qualifying interior linemen. That's a lot to lose. I think considering Seattle's twenty eighth and pressure. CLOWNEY has yet to accept Seattle's offer. There is some growing skepticism that he will actually sign it and I think Seattle's getting a little bit pissed off about. L. J. Collier, last season's first round. Pick didn't really see the field much a rookie. He needs to be a major player in your two along defensive line. The real concern I think. Within, the organization about the defensive line, they're not quite sure where they're gonna go to add these bodies but I can tell you gotTa dance around this a little bit. They they wanted somebody. Words wise. They pay shoes your word wisely a one hundred percent certainty. They're going to add somebody Seattle's reached out to Everson Griffen. They've reached out to clay matthews who you mentioned the rams lost last season underperformed a little bit. I, think they're happy to sign either. But they're also trying to light a fire under clown. He's asked to force them into a decision because right now they do have the highest offer still on the table. And he's living in La La land I think right now in his value is actually worth the loan positive when you can move it forward to twenty twenty as the front four is GonNa face an easier schedule of pass blocking offensive lines and easier schedule of Ground Games in two twenty, twenty compared to last season. So that could help offset some of these losses. The defensive line could suffer. The linebacker unit is one of the best. In the League we have Wagner and right you add a first round pick in Jordan Brooks there's some nice depth that the position as well. You have Burke Irvine and Cody Barton. I'm intrigued to see if wagner and right can kind of maintain the production as they age both had down seasons relatively speaking a year ago for them. Seattle gave up the second most yards second most receptions, two tight ends. Last season we're closely kind of monitoring this situation because we know wagner and writer aging a little bit they're having maybe potentially you know a touch more difficult time covering in space I think the the drafting of Jordan Brooks says that rights days are numbered they're. This secondary though. Man They have a shot to be very good Shaquille Griffin had a bounceback two, thousand, nineteen, trey flowers performed above average. We absolutely loved the Quinton Dunbar trade absolute robbery allowed a fifty-six six pasteurized. Thirty seven hundred. Well played. He did get himself into legal trouble and landed on the NFL exempt list. But this past Friday prosecution announced that they had insufficient evidence. To charge. Dunbar. So let's see what Goodell does. But I think that bodes very well for the seahawks. Getting him back his attorney. Doesn't seem to be in hot water because there was this little. Tidbit. Of information trying to bribe some. Of the witnesses that may have occurred. Bene- benefit the Dunbar. Emma. Obviously, the safety position makes a huge leap, not just by the obvious additional. Adams but. You can pair him now with quandary dicks and they acquired him around the middle of last season. I think that's a fantastic one two punch. Field they're actually great friends. Digs was atoms host when he visited taxes on a recruiting trip, but they complement each other very well on the field to if you look digs is going to play that free safety spot. He was an ace and coverage last season allow zero point one, five yards per coverage snap only Doron harmon was better i. think that allows Jamal Adams to roam around the box likely helps in an area that were concerned about with pressuring the quarterback Jamal Adams had forty seven quarterback pressures. The last two seasons from the safety position. We know how valuable that off ball pressure is very good chance. Seattle becomes an above average defense inefficiency this season. Especially, if they bring in a guy or to bolster that defensive line. Should be one of the most fascinating divisions in the entire League I. Think we have a ton of question marks even for the so-called favorites, top division and the forty niners and seahawks the rams trying to figure out who or what they're going to be on both sides of the ball, and of course, all of that tantalizing potential at least offensively for the Arizona cardinals to see if the defense can comply remember you can follow on twitter at Paine insider I'm todd firm and you can follow me there as well. But. Most importantly, they follow the podcast at the board pod and pain. After we break down four teams for those new listeners out there it is our final order of business that we hand off a nicely neatly packaged best bet as far as the NFC west is concerned, where are we going to identify our best value before the season kicks off in earnest on September tenth? So I'M GONNA be candid here it's going to be difficult to find eight bets and it's going to be difficult to find them within their own division. I can say since the last time we spoke we were waiting to bet one thing. and. It was based on the rumors that Davis white could potentially being potentially opt out. So just for all purposes we did Bet Buffalo to win the AFC East at about. Plus one forty plus one, fifty I think it's still playable down to plus one twenty. Especially when we mentioned at the top of the show, the the impact on some of those added opt outs from the new. England patriots the other thing that I am intrigued with with NFC west. Is Jimmy Garoppolo. And if you listen to the breakdown, we think more is going to be put on his plate. We like the addition of Jerick McKinnon in the past game when when you look at the schedule of defenses at the forty niners, you're gonNA face top five against the run very manageable against the pass and we know Kyle Shanahan always schemes. To put his offense in the best position based upon what the defense putting out on the field. and. So I think when you look at Jimmy G. His confidence stripping himself of the knee brace I think is going to be a big year for Jimmy J.. So I can tell you in terms of props and we don't love going over on props this year especially with the. The covert situation going on but I think there is some value in Jimmy G. going over thirty, eight hundred and a half passing yards as well. All right. You heard it from the man himself going back to the AFC offering a little bit of player prop opportunities to encourage folks as. To make sure you get the best numbers available and take full advantage of what's out there in the betting market. Any final words of wisdom pain before we close up shop on the NFC west this fine Wednesday morning that's in I. Think we're good to go. I'm going to pop on this hockey game and That's it. You only missed the first one seven, not a whole lot of action there. So you see we got four painted CIDER I am taught firm as always be sure to follow the podcast on twitter at the Board Pot and with a couple of props and futures in hand coming into the regular season, we'll see you at the window. Thanks for listening to the board, you can catch todd and pain every Monday Wednesday and Thursday during football season breaking down the biggest NFL and college football games, and to make sure you don't miss any free best bets subscribe to the board on Itunes Google play spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.