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#466 - Response To Sam Harris

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1:48:31 hr | 4 months ago

#466 - Response To Sam Harris

"Skip, the commercials and get extra-long shows with behind the scenes access at Patriot dot com slash David C smalley. For more than ten years, he's built a reputation of exploring the leafs and changing lives. And with today's division, it's time to resurrect nuance. And bring back the art of conversation. They'll make you laugh. You may upset you. But most importantly. He'll make you think. From Los Angeles. California this is David C slowly? Today. Is June T. Trump add little. Did I know when I joined Kaiser? Permanente that it would be on my top ten list for what has made this year. Great I can see my physician. I can be referred to the lab. I can be referred to the pharmacy on the same building. You've got it all I mean it's. It's quality of care. Kids Compassionate care. It's convenience care. Every medical cases unique as companies. States twenty one St Rockville Maryland two, zero, five two. Removed for containing Nazi symbol. The president of the United States. Had An ad removed. For containing, Nazi, symbol, And then trump claims that he made June teen famous. The celebration of the end of slavery. Trump made famous. Yet trump just because you didn't know about it. Doesn't mean you're teaching the world. Things are tipping point right now. And Sam Harris recently published an episode of his making sense podcast, regarding police, black lives, matter and all the impossible conversations around the issue. If. You haven't heard that. Go listen to it. It's episode number two seven, and at the time I'm putting this out. It is the most recent. podcast he has available. Now I've been taken out of context on other podcasts, and I would never want to contribute to that. Sam lays his arguments out and thoughtful way, and with lots of preamble and prefacing. He shows where his heart is. In a way that I can't do justice. So, don't just take my word for what Sam said. Go listen to it in full context. I like him. I in our time together in Toronto. Where I had the honor of hosting event with Sam and Sarah Hater before three thousand attendees, it was a blast. Sam is a great guy. He's very nice. We had dinner before we had drinks after. We even hung out in his dressing room and talked. He was never too important to talk to us. We shared inside on podcasting even equipment, software and talk to adults who just share similar passions. His fame did not go to his head. So if you're wondering if Sam is one of the good guys, the answer is yes. But my feelings towards Sam and my appreciation for what he's done for. Critical thinking shouldn't dissuade me from addressing the points he made with a clear and open mind. In that episode, Sam Calls for us to be emotionally detached from these issues. The best we can, as we navigate these uncertain times and sensitive topic, so I'll heed that advice from Sam and I'll address my agreements and disagreements with him without bias. The beautiful thing about those of us in the secular world is, we shouldn't have sacred cows and I know Sam agrees with that. So I'll start by saying I actually actually do agree with a lot of what Sam said. Race isn't the only thing going on here. But My biggest disagreement with him is that it's not a relevant factor. In fact, he seems to disagree with that by then. Sharing stats that support the statement that race is one of the major issues and I'll get into that a little bit later. He's right. that. We do need to keep a calm cool head. We should be allowed to talk about this. He emphasized the importance of discussion which I often call for on this podcast. But. The question is. What do you do when talking doesn't work? When. You've talked for a hundred and fifty five years. There are multiple issues swirling around each making the other worse, and no one seems to listen to your plight. Do you just continue talking? And hope the oppressors decide to give you a moment of their time. Sam starts by saying social media makes things much worse and I have to agree. The lashing out the anonymity, the Straw man arguments that virtue signaling the I'm Walker than you are in our block. You approve it nonsense. The talking past one another and We've come to a situation where insults become products served in exchange for like, says currency. And that's not a way to move forward. When Sam says, people with a platformer terrified to take a wrong step. Never be able to recover. He has a point. People will listen to a portion of this share a clip out of context boom. My livelihood is at risk. But I've never been afraid terrified to do a show because I just accept that people will be angry, they will unsubscribe. Some will try to get me canceled. In fact, atheist liberals have tried to get me canceled far more than the religious right. Both have tried on some level, but. I've felt a far greater attack from my own camp and that's disturbing. Those liberal, so marched with for years proclaiming that we deserved a voice at the table, even if our views weren't popular. They suddenly changed their mind when I disagreed with them. I was no longer the perfect activists in their search for purity I didn't fit this identity of the person they felt should be speaking on a specific topic and I just kept doing it anyway. I've had people. Stop listening to me because I was too liberal. Some called me as social justice warrior others have left citing me as a conservative Schill. So I'm GonNa Address Sam's concerns here today and I'm going to attempt to answer the questions. He said he had no answers for. And try to make some things work that he said were unworkable. So less jumping. Sam. Called his episode. Can we pull back from the brink? My response. No And we shouldn't. Because the break we're standing on is inflamed. It's better to jump off and learn to fly on the way down because that's better than turning back to helpings of been, and I'll explain what that looks like. Civil discourse has broken down. Yes and that's why shows like mine and Sam's are so important. This is how you get the long form nuance version of ideas. Sam asked the question. When an officer kneels with protesters who have been berating him? Is that a show of solidarity or is at the beginning of the breakdown of our social structure. Here's what that does. It shows that we're all human. It shows that the uniform doesn't define the person. That people are more important than beliefs and jobs and titles and badges and tribalism. It shows that they're listening. A. Knee isn't a surrender. It's a symbol of love and respect and understanding. In fact when Colin Kaepernick began protesting than the national anthem on the sidelines of NFL Games. He was originally sitting on the bench if you remember in. A veteran road into him. And complained about it. He was upset. You Colin Kaepernick did. He met with that veteran and they had a discussion. Colin listened. The veteran asked him to kneel instead of sitting, because kneeling showed a sign of solidarity and respect for our military while making his point about police brutality. So. When the national, guard, or police officer or police chief kneels, that's a major sign. That they hear you. Now in some cases. That officer could fall right back into the same behaviors as we've seen. What officer was photograph kneeling in? The next day was caught on video, spraying peaceful protesters with pepper spray. was faking it. Some of you may think so. There's no way to know for sure. What exactly is going on as it in in in his head, I don't i. don't think so. I don't think he was pretending. I think when he kneeled. Or Knelt. He wasn't under stress. And he he did what he felt. In, his heart was right at the moment. But the next day when tensions were high, your, he was in warrior. Mode in warriors. Don't have time for your feelings. because. That's what we've done with our police. We've trained them to be an occupying force. WHO dominates the unruly instead of protecting and serving? I don't blame individual cops for this and I don't buy into the mantra that all cops are bad. That's absurd. The system is failing all of us. Even the cops and it poisons the well. The system asks too much of them. They will tell you the same thing. We want them to be fighters and peacemakers. Them to be there immediately and also stay the hell away. We ask them to know all of our rights. All of their rights, all of the laws and be able to quote the penal codes a will make them look ridiculous on Youtube. We want them to chase down our dogs, and of course get those drugs off the street. Unless were the ones drinking. The system asked police officers to be therapist. Problem solvers cat savers, EMT's and even Uber's. If you're having a tough night. I actually have a solution for this, and it may be hidden in a place that you'll never expect. I'll get into that in just a moment. When same talks about trump? We are one hundred percent on the same page. Especially when he says that this chant of being the law and order president is unlikely path to his reelection. If one exists. I quote this all the time on my show Napoleon Bonaparte said religion is great stuff for keeping common people quiet. But why? Because of fear. So if trump and Fox, news and OEM can make you terrified of the big bad boogeyman rioters. Then you begin to dehumanize them just as Hitler, did with the Jews in Germany, it happened slowly over time with certain coded language. And it ended up engulfing entire culture. It's okay to exterminate that which you see vermin. And it's okay to dominate those who you paint as criminals. So when rioters, light fires, and smashed windows and loot Sam's right. That helps trump. Which is why on several occasions far right? Activists have actually been. The ones caught inciting violence. That's something. I really wish same would have mentioned. They know it helps trump. Some of the efforts have also been ANTIFA which he rightfully calls them maniacs. And there are a number of videos showing standalone white activists, causing damages and being stopped by black. Who Don't want to be blamed for the carnage. There's a video of two white girls caught spring L. on the side of a building, and they were stopped and berated by young black woman who yells at them, she she says A. They're not gonNA. Put your face on TV when they show that they're gonNA put mine. We didn't ask you to do that. I think one of the girls response. We're doing this for you. She's like I didn't ask you to deface property for me. And then, of course, there's a video of a black man smashing out a car window of a police car with a trash can. While the COP is still in it by the way. That's not a good look, and you better believe that Fox now plays that on repeat. As with all parts of this, it's complicated. But, we are seeing a breakdown in our society like never before. As vehemently as most of us are against the violent protests, the fires. The that scary feeling. When a mob of protesters is headed toward your neighborhood. I have to ask. Do. You really think we'd be seeing sweeping police reform in multiple cities, conservatives, joining liberals and removing confederate monuments, and even trump listing the names of black people who had been killed by police, and then signing an executive order on even minimal reform. If they held signs on a sidewalk and. Ask Nicely and head peaceful conversations. I don't think so. They've been asking nicely since eighteen sixty five. Remember. The police keep saying. They, use force because we don't comply. Well. We, the people are in charge in this country. The police having power is an illusion that we allowed and played along. And they are taking advantage of it. And what you're seeing now is. We're tired of the abuse. And I know Sam mentioned the statistic that only one in ten thousand arrests INS in a shooting. But I'm not just talking about police who kill. For saying, stop telling me I can't film you in public. Stop saying you don't have to identify yourself. Stop covering your name and your badge number. Stop trying to take my phone and bully me. Intimidate me with your gun. In your hand or your pepper spray out? For saying stop demanding to see my ID when I haven't committed a crime, stop your unconstitutional civil forfeiture where you can just take my property in all of my cash, even if I've done nothing wrong. Stop lying on the police reports to cover for your buddies and stop your brutality. Don't make me and my neighbors, the victims of your lack of training. And we, the people are not asking. We are demanding and if you don't comply. Will have to use force. Sam, said. That having trump is president seem as though white supremacy is ascendant. I don't think it just seems that way I think that hateful people across society. that. We have shamed into the shadows. Finally felt safe to come out when trump got elected. He brings them out. Deal Hugely said that trump isn't the problem. He's a symptom. He's the flashlight that shows us the worst of America. And I agree with Sam that we need to defeat him in November. If we spiral into complete unrest. He'd Sam's warning that restoring order will become the focus of his election. If, that does. Trump has a chance. So to those of you protesting, please be mindful. That you want to disrupt. You want to make change, but you don't want an entire collapse. Because if that's what we lose Sam's right, that's all that's going to matter to the most of America to restore order and then start policy changes. That could be trump saving grace. On social media shocked to see that be him. Donations are going to democratic campaigns almost like they think they're exposing someone's lie. You're donating the black lives matter, but do you see how much went to Bernie? Do you see how much winter Joe Biden's campaign? What do you think the money is for spray paint? Window smashing sticks. Matches. Anyone surprised by this. Understands via limb about as much as creationist understand evolution. BLM. is about reform. Legislation sweeping change building up minority communities. Conservatives aren't banging that drum getting rid of Donald. Trump in his many conservatives, as possible is the best concrete way of improving lives of African Americans period. Sam Rightfully says that the difference between lucky and unlucky in this country shouldn't be as enormous as it is. And then he asked the question that interest him most which is. What should we do next? And then he says he doesn't have the answers. I have some very clear answers. That I'm going to lay out in this podcast. When people screamed from the rooftops. At all cops are racists or using the HASHTAG AAC cab a C A. B. which stands for all cops are bad on some forums. All cops are bastards. They're confused. They're hurt. They're angry. That's not the appropriate response. The cops, her cogs in a corrupt system that many of them don't even realize that part of. Their on a myopic level, just going through the motions, trying not to die day in day out day themselves are victims of bad training in some have an inability to recognize their own racial bias and that. Can turn deadly. Not to say there aren't racist cops as Sam also acknowledges out there looking to do harm to people in the black community, but that's not the majority. And if you turn the focus of the movement to that, you're gonNA. Miss the Bullseye. So let's address all lives matter. which seems to be prominent in my family back home in Texas? And Sam discusses. Showing that he is shocked. His quotas the Hashtag lives matter in the current environment is being read as a naked declaration of white supremacy. Okay. Fair point. All lives matter doesn't mean Heil Hitler. So. I'll ask. What do you think it means? If you're in an argument with a loved one, and they yell at you in the middle of the argument, and they say my feelings matter. Are they seeing yours, don't. Or they saying that they feel like you're not behaving as though their feelings matter. If someone says that to you in an argument, you should stop everything you're doing. and think about the pain. That person is feeling even if you didn't 'cause it. Black lives matter is a movement of validation. They WANNA be heard. They want to be acknowledged. And replying with all lives, matter is an outright refusal to listen to someone plight. So Sam if it's not racist, what do you call the refusal to listen to the plight of marginalized communities? I agree. It's not a naked declaration of white supremacy. But it sure as hell contributes to it. BY ATTEMPTING TO SILENCE THE MINORITY Pass a disabled vehicle on the side of the road and instead of stopping to help them. Your fellow human. Just. Yell Out Your Car Window. My cars just as important and then drive away. What have you done? But ignore. The distress of a fellow human being. On its face, it may be hard to apply. All lives matter directly under the racist category. But it sure is ignorant and embarrassing. And and yet to Sam's point, the galaxy player who was fired for what his wife tweeted. I think it's I. think that's insane and I don't agree with that and he likely has a lawsuit. I think all of us have been embarrassed by something else cetera did. That could. Expose, his views as well. Maybe, but do you have enough evidence to terminate someone's position based on that I think i. think would be hard. Pressed in a society I were supposed to be getting away from the witch hunt. To say that. His wife's to. Is a direct reflection of his views. Now. Regarding the protests. Sam says quote the perception that the color of a person's skin or even his life experience matters for this discussion is a pernicious illusion. He goes onto, say neither the skin color or life experience matters at all. Well. I'm no proponent of identity politics. I've been in trouble with the left many times for being outspoken against it. But I strongly disagree with SAM on this part. Well I understand I shouldn't be silenced into submission on this issue because of the color of my skin, just like I'm allowed to have opinions on abortion without a uterus and people with long flowing locks allowed to have opinions on how I should care for my shiny head. I think that. My conversation with Brian Fisher, she was exactly why. Sam is wrong on this one. It's often said that. Our perception is reality, so if you have a blinders on due to certain privileges in your life. At the very least that needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating your opinions. Brian for example is a sixty nine year old, conservative Christian radio host. A Stanford graduate with a Master's degree and who grew up in Oklahoma and he does very well for himself. This leads one to conclude that he he has very little in common with a sixteen year old, black, good in the in the Baltimore projects. Or a single black mother raising two kids on government assistance. So I had Brian on my show. And I explained to him that when I visited Baltimore after the Freddie Gray killing. And I noticed that there were no employment opportunities for miles around and no places to get real food or solid education, which fuels the violence and inner city crime. His response was well. We need to teach them to be better parents. And their fathers shouldn't leave them, and they should wait to get married and have kids. It took me a moment to try to put the pieces together of how being better parents or waiting to have kids could suddenly create opportunities of employment. In fact that was a few weeks ago and I'm I'm still trying to put that together. It's a complete non sequitur. And when I referred his answer is tone deaf. And told him that if he hears complaints about his privilege answers like that or probably why? He got furious with me and hung up. The first time I've that happen in ten years of having my show. So, equating Brian's input on how the projects could reform with that of the local black community leaders in Baltimore. Who Know what it's like to grow up in the inner city? The seems idealistic to me. We're not all exactly equal. Were unique. And the civil rights leaders marginalized community members in in those leading the fight against inequality or far better qualified to address the concerns. Of oppressed people than a man who has been a beneficiary of that systematic oppression. No This is not just a race problem. As Sam. points, out. All of the leadership in Baltimore where Freddie, gray was killed were black. Including, some of the officers who caused his death. So if this entire issue were solely based on racism meaning that white cops are out to murder black men, and that wouldn't be the case. And that Tony Tempa, a white man in Dallas who was killed by white police also wouldn't have happened. There is also a systemic policing problem. And I'm going to address. Some reform measures that I think we need to take in this podcast. Sam, pose the question. If George Floyd wight, would he be alive today? If Tony, temple is any example I don't think so. I don't believe there is any evidence to suggest the Derek show. WTN's set out to murder a black man that day. And that's why they're not going with first degree murder charges. But when SAM says there was no intention. I don't agree. A lower ranking officer can be heard on the body Cam, saying he doesn't have a pulse and then Derek stayed on Floyd's neck for three minutes. After knowing there was no pulse. Intention doesn't have to be days in advance or hours in advance. There was no attempt to resuscitate. So did chauvinist act recklessly with indifference to life and. Sought to dominate as keeping force and didn't really care. Or was there a brief moment of intention? Was He afraid to look guilty or weak in front of the citizens by rendering aid? A lot of people were screaming at him to get off. Get off. Get off and maybe felt that if he did get off he. Would have looked weak. If fluid were white. Would Derek have been more likely to render aid? and seeing a a bit of himself in a fellow tribe member. And how do cops instigate situations that lead to forcing someone down to the ground? Are they trained in the psychology of force, their own potential biases, and how that escalate situations from a biological perspective. There is no requirement or mandate or standard for cops to receive such training. Yet it is crucial to this topic. Same says the police kill more white people than black people. That's true. Because, there are more white people. From the data we have and I don't believe for a second that we have all the data on police deaths. Because of a lack of mandated reporting. The percentages of the population tells the entire story. When we break this down per one million citizens. The police homicide rate for blacks is six point six. And three point eight for Hispanics, and only two point five for whites. But blacks are only thirteen percent of the population. So while a fewer number of blacks are killed by police, the likelihood of being killed by police if you're black. Is Staggering And same addresses this, but he lands on the fact that blacks commit fifty percent of the murders in this country. So should cops just ignore that? And here is the core of the issue. And this is really a two part problem. The first being that the statistics do not show a correlation between high crime areas and police shootings. I'll say that again. In case you're driving or zoning out her. Checking your phone or text messages, this is important. The first issue here. Is that. The statistics do not show a correlation between high crime areas and police shootings. A prime example is Buffalo New York. They have a violent crime rate of twelve per one thousand. And fifty percent of their population is black. Based on this and Sam's inference of violent crime, leading to police shootings. How many people do you think? Buffalo police killed during the three years of study. Go ahead. Take a guess. How many people at twelve violent crimes per one thousand? How many people did, but I police kill the answer. Zero, not a single person was killed by Buffalo Police. But in Orlando Florida. With, the violent crime rate is lower just nine out of one thousand and a black population of only forty two percent. Cops killed thirteen people in the same timeframe just three years. The second piece of this. Is the notion that blacks or simply more violent. They. Get shot more because they behaviors. We often hear from the right. If black lives matter really cared about black lives. They address black on black crime. Same touch on this, but he doesn't put it in that way. How can they address that exactly? Who would they protest against? The guy in jail for killing his neighbor. Are they going to protest against him outside the prison? They're addressing on a policy scale by donating to liberal causes with the hopes that they will help rebuild those areas and communities through policies and new opportunities in high crime areas, so they do care, and they are addressing it. In this points me back to my visit to the Baltimore projects, and how the lack of opportunity in those areas lead the violence. This goes back generations and we can't talk about crime in black communities without discussing redlining. For many of you this may be the first time you're hearing that term. and. Please don't take my word for it. Go and do your own research. You may have heard the term redlining. But as with many times as Sam Harris says race isn't the issue we should be focusing on. It bears explaining right now. In the Nineteen Thirties FDR created a loan program to help people buy houses. In to decide which neighborhoods would get approved for loans? They color coded them on maps. Green meant that loans were easier to get in. The red areas were nearly impossible to be approved for a loan. Can you guess who lived in the Red Areas? This was the first step in creating the common ghetto or projects that we hear about an America. White families in the green areas were able to buy homes while the red line communities in with with blacks and Hispanics. They found it nearly impossible to survive. Let alone get ahead or by house. Developer William, Levitt in nineteen, forty seven. Included this clause in his leasing agreements. It, says quote. Levittown homes must not be used or occupied by any person other than members of the Caucasian race. This this. Continued across the nation, it even had support from the federal government. And what happened as a result was from nineteen, thirty, four to nineteen, Sixty, eight, ninety eight percent of federal home loans were provided to white families. This is the core of the issue from nineteen, thirty four to nineteen sixty eight. So for three decades. White families in white. Were selling their homes to other white families who were approved for new home loans, and the families who sold their homes, were buying bigger and better houses with that equity. That growth, of wealth. Was Past Generations, it brought in businesses, it increase jobs and opportunities and hair salons and grocery stores and access to resources and additional education, and all of that perpetuated that success, those young white people had access to getting jobs getting education and making more money because those businesses were paying more. And let's not forget. Public Schools are funded by the property taxes in the area surrounding that school. So what does that mean for teachers salaries for quality of food for textbooks for playgrounds, extracurricular activities, and after school programs which help kids stay out of trouble. And learn trades to into the workforce. The redlined neighborhoods remained stagnant as wealth. Inequality got so much worse. These policies were essentially overturned eventually on the federal level, but The segregation continues. Seventy years after levittown was built, it is still today less than one percent black. And, a study from two thousand twelve reported that blacks and Latinos experienced four million incidents of housing discrimination each year. I didn't say nineteen sixty. I said two thousand twelve. And that includes being charged higher interest rates for mortgages, even having the same credit scores. As their white counterparts. Doesn't take a statistician. Draw conclusions. Regarding education and crime. The higher level of education reached the lower chance. You have of committing a crime. Unless of course you count Wall Street. But for most of us in America. When you struggle to get an education in struggled to get food and he struggled to find a job. Your likelihood of breaking the law goes up based on survival. And again I have some ideas in a moment that may help to rectify this by addressing an issue that Sam says he believes is unworkable. and. I think I have a very workable solution spoiler alert it involves reparations, but in the form of community building rather than individual cash gifts. And I'll get into that moment. Sam. Interestingly. Quotes. A study that shows wants an arrest is being made. A COP is more likely to shoot a white suspect than a black suspect. Okay. That's new to me. And I learned something. Maybe, that's the case although. It doesn't seem to be in line with the rest of the data. For starters, even if it is the case, black areas are over policed so the fact that more blacks are killed per capita by cops is still true. Because that data that SAM brought up only comes into. Play when the arrest has been started. But if black people are more likely to be stopped and frisked. And harassed and grabbed. Then you're GONNA have higher instances of it happening to black people anyway, so the wants to tick that once an arrest is being made. An individual officer is more likely to fire a gun at a white person. Is kind of just skewing reality. But. How does it make sense anyway? The cops are more likely to put hands on black people and more likely to point guns at black people, but less likely to shoot them. That seems to run contrary so. I would like to know more about this study that he quoted. It also seems to fly in the face of other statistics. He mentioned that that blacks and Hispanics. COPS are more likely to shoot black suspects. How does that COMPORT WITH COPS? Being more likely to shoot white suspects? I'm not sure I completely trust this data and to be fair. Sam Did admit that it was incomplete so. I'll leave that there. San Poses another question. If cop should ignore what he calls high crime areas and I think Sam is stopping short of the bigger question. What exactly constitutes a high crime area. More documented cases of arrests. Well if cops are more likely to stop blacks more likely to put hands on them more likely to search them more likely to find more shit and arrest more blacks. Than that area looks like a high crime area. How many wealthy white people have cocaine on them right now and won't be searched by police. How many white businessmen have their weed in their cars and are driving right past the cops on their way to work and don't get pulled over. Crime is a lot like Noah's Ark. There's never been a group of people set out to find it. Who didn't succeed? The crime will always be where you look. Proclaiming that blacks are more violent, so we should expect to see more citizen contact by police in those areas just doesn't hold up. And the statistics show that. Pointing back the same question on fluids murder, and if he would be alive today if he were white. Same, says the video does not suggest that show van was a racist cop who intentionally murdered George Floyd because he was black. No? It doesn't and if that were the case. The district attorney would be going for first degree murder and a hate crime charge, but he's not, but several studies do suggest that cops tend to care less about black people and see them as more of a threat which likely led to show vinick storing floyd cries for help, which is inherently racist, even if chauvel doesn't know it. According to the American Psychological, association and it's examinations of police psychology. Disparities and race don't actually arise from the fact that black Americans are more likely to commit crimes. Dr Filip Gov at the University of California Review Data from twelve police departments and found that black residents were more often subjected to police force than white residents, even after adjusting for whether or not, the person had been arrested for violent crimes in the past. Other data shows that black people are also more likely to be stopped by police Stanford University Social Psychologist Jennifer. EBERHARDT and her colleagues analyzed data from the Police Department in Oakland California. And found that while black residents makeup twenty eight percent of the Oakland, population. They accounted for sixty percent of police stops, and black men were four times more likely than white men to be searched during a traffic stop even though officers were no more likely to recover contraband when searching black suspects. Same says people have to stop resisting arrest? When a COP wants to take you into custody. Negotiation you don't have a choice. He's right. But imagine. Imagine the reality of being black in our country. Imagine knowing ahead of time you're more likely to be stopped repeatedly more likely to receive a harsher sentence less likely to be given leniency more likely to be convicted by a jury more likely to be grabbed than have guns pointed at you. Tell me. If you're black. Why would you have any reason to trust the legal system? Those officers were taking you to. I'm not condoning resisting arrest and I. Know it may sound like that, so please don't misunderstand I'm trying to offer insight as to why the mindset of a young black man in Orlando Florida who has been harassed multiple times by police and Frist, and held at gunpoint might have a different reaction to being arrested than a wealthy white author and neuroscientist doing podcast in Los Angeles. and think for a moment what it must feel like to be constantly put in a fight or flight response by police approaching you like that. When people think back to Eric Garner? They just they just think of the phrase. I can't breathe. But remember, he also said. Why are you always harassing me? This is not about the one incident that gets caught on video. This is the daily life of being black in America. Now Sam is known for his books on Atheism. Philosophy and Rightfully so. He has a philosophy degree from Stanford, but he also has a PhD, neuroscience from UCLA. He understands the brain. Which is why? I listened to his podcast on this issue. Just kept wondering why he wasn't connecting the dots. I don't need to tell Sam this, but. When someone experiences stimulus that could result in death. There's a fight or flight response which happens in the ironically titled Sympathetic Nervous System. What goes on there? The hypothalamus near the bottom of the brain sends a signal to the muscles for rapid movement first of all, and also there's a chemical signal to the adrenal gland in more, specifically, the Adrenal Dula in the center of that gland, which gives off Adrenalin or epinephrine. that. epinephrine begins coursing through the body. As the rate increases, it continues to flow. That increases the glucose release. which is our energy source? So now you have the heart. Racing Epinephrine is pumping more. Blood is flowing to the muscles and the energy source is primed for full function. This is fear. A fear of violence. A fear of death. Perhaps in some cases, the bad guy just wants to get away I get it. But when you make a hobby out of watching police chases an stops like I. Do you find one common denominator when they finally catch the guy? You know what he says. I was scared. Sam, talks, about having unpleasant experiences with police. While if you're like me, you've had lapd draw down on you. With Two Forty Caliber Glock Twenty Three's pointed at your head, and you have no idea why. As their each screaming, conflicting commands at you and threatening to kill you if you don't follow the individual commands. Then you definitely know what it's like to experience that fight or flight response. And in that situation I have to tell you. Flight is off the table. If you run, you get shot. You know supposed to, but we see it happen. All that officer has to do right in the report. I felt he would be a danger to society of escaped, and there is a Supreme Court precedent to back that up as an official defense for that officer. So, they drag my body off to the morgue. My daughter grows up without a dad and that cop continues terrorizing the neighborhood. Plus in my case I was sitting in my car with my hands up. The Dome Light was on. The windows rolled down all for their safety. One officer was on each side of the car with a gun to my head. Flight wasn't an option. So, what's left? A ferocious anger that I can't explain. An, anger, almost worth dying for. The feeling of confusion being bullied. Simultaneously being helpless and you know it's not your fault. Mine ended with an apology to me. And it only happened once. If you're black. Cops are twenty four percent more likely to point those guns at you than me. Not once but time you're stopped. The cops are eighteen percent more likely to grab you control your movements by force if you're black. So the police, tactics and training are the primary problem. But blacks are unfairly the focus of police more often. The police with their lack of training. Instilled societal fear of the scary black man, the reckless treatment of others and racial bias to the tune of twenty four percent, and are now somehow surprised when black people run from the cops or fightback. With that officer, not realizing the suspect is sick to death of this happening, because it's the third time this dam month over license, plate, light, or a tinted window or a fucking lane change violation. The cops escalate the situation. Not fully understanding what they're doing to the brains or the bodies of the people they're encountering. And then we as a society retort well, you shouldn't fight the police. Do. What they say don't run stupid. You don't know what it's like to live that life into constantly be in fear of the occupying force in your neighborhood. So when I hear Sam. Say people have to stop resisting I have to ask if he would apply the veil of ignorance and be willing to trade places with black men in America and just let the cops take you every time they harassed you. How many times would it take? What would be your breaking point? I mean it's dangerous for all of us and I believe that's mostly due to police unfairly escalating minor situations with a threatening presence. But. It's especially more dangerous for black people in this country. Sam, says that black lives matters should be teaching the concept. If you fight with the COP, he has to perceive that fight is a fight for the gun and subsequently you're likely to be shot. Okay. Let's address that. and. Let's see if the system has any culpability. And perhaps that that is what needs to change rather than what black lives matter teaches. Now to SAM's credit. He did say that. Police reform is necessary. But he seems to. Continue to be willing to play by the corrupt rules of the broken system and teach others to fall in line or risk death. And that's just not the way change happens. If I'm. Playing loud music. Let's say and I'm not aware that my neighbor can hear it. I know we've been used to this, but just stop and ask yourself. Why do three armed men with Glocks tasers ABS- pepper spray in bulletproof vest. With AR, fifteen in their cars need to come. Bang on my door with a four pound flashlight like trying to knock it down. Why the aggression. Why the escalation. When protesters peacefully assembled. Why the riot gear. The helmets the sticks the shield, the pepper balls and rubber bullets. If you go watch videos of when? Police came out in plain clothes, identified themselves and said let's march together. There was not violence in those areas. But unnecessary escalation is the core of this problem. In, while race isn't the only factor it does affect minority populations more drastically because everything does. The Financial Crisis Job. Loss Corona Virus Crime Violence Homelessness. Drug abuse lack of education. Was Not a single negative thing that hits our nation. That doesn't affect minority communities on a greater scale. Sam points out that only one in ten thousand arrests in-depth. Is this to make the point that that deaths are overblown by the media. It's not really as dangerous as they make it seem. Well for perspective, only one in eleven million. Airplanes crash. Yet there are tons of restrictions oversight federal regulations Databases Required Reporting The entire FFA in immense training to become a pilot and pilots aren't even usually the cause of the accident. So if we're going off of odds to speculate, danger in regulation. Wise, is it that it takes four years of college two years of flight school and fifteen hundred hours of flight to be a commercial pilot. Yet! Most police academies are four to six months with no federal requirements, no oversight and no regulation. And remember that one in ten thousand is only the deaths. We haven't even talked about the broken jaws, the fractured wrists, the nerve damage the pushing shoving the intimidation. The pepper spray in all the other incidents that make people fear the police. So, let's get into the statistics on race. The same brought up. He says in the city of Los Angeles Twenty nineteen was the lowest use of deadly force by police in thirty years. But nationally the numbers up I mean I'm happy that in our city of La that's the case, but. According to the Department of Justice, it shows that nine hundred ninety two people were shot by cops and twenty, eighteen and two thousand nineteen saw one thousand and two shooting death by police. So I'm not sure we need to get into a pissing match over the individual cities to make a point, but this is a national issue and pointing to one city, committing slightly fewer murders of its citizens just isn't impressive to me. And remember. He caveats that with police shootings. George Floyd wasn't shot. Eric Garner wasn't shot. Tony TEMPA. Wasn't shot. Freddie Gray wasn't shot. SANDRA BLAND WASN'T SHOT Much like. The Bible. These types of statistics can be. Carefully displayed to paint a picture that you've already framed to fit your bias, so let's be careful. As we review these and not try to avoid deflection from the bigger picture. Same, says that many of those deaths by police. Are what he calls entirely justified. And if you look at the statistics that are available in, it'll say ninety nine percent of police involved. Shootings are justified. Some are. Sure, it'd be unreasonable to that. Cops would never ever have to shoot anyone. But what is this based on exactly? Internal Affairs reports where cops invested their buddies. Are Basing it on the reports written by the cops involved with the incident and were not caught on video and claimed it was justified. He reached I thought he had a gun. He went for my gun. He grabbed my Taser. As we just saw. With the shooting in in Atlanta. They have now realized and the police officer admitted. That when the man was running from him, and was holding his aaser that the Taser was out of ammunition. Both rounds from that teaser already been fired. He was not a danger and was shot in the back anyway. Now imagine if there was no body Cam, no Dash Cam. And we weren't in the age of technology where that video became available to everyone that would have been reported. He grabbed my Taser and I shot him and that would be listed as a justified homicide by police. Sam mentioned the killing of Walter Scott and acknowledged it was unjustified. But what he didn't mention was at the COP, wrote in the police report that Scott took his Taser and was about to use it on him. That would have been considered a justified homicide as well if it weren't for one person with an iphone. You can clearly see in the video that the officer deployed the Taser. Scott who tried to run in the officer opens fire. Killing him. It's very disturbing video. Then officer then walks over to Scott and drops his Taser next to Scott's dead body. And falsified the report. Yes he was sentenced to twenty years. Which Sam says isn't enough and I agree. But what would have happened without the video? That would be a justified homicide by police. Megan Sheehan was standing in a customer service window. When police approached her, she ended up being slammed to the ground very hard and arrested. When she claimed excessive force was used, they checked the report. On the police report, the arresting officer wrote this suddenly she turned towards me and began violently, punching me with a closed fist at my face to protect myself from her attack. I used an arm bar takedown in guided her to the ground. What the officer didn't account for was surveillance cameras. Were, you can see him. Walk. Grab her from behind. And when she turns around and says, don't touch me like that. He grabs her arm and slams her face to the floor. It is incredibly violent. So how many of those will happen in small town America where there are no body cams? Or Dash Cams no surveillance footage or a serious lack of iphones. People who have those iphones but are afraid to film police because they didn't threaten to take your phone. Would you walk up on a serial killer committing a murder and let him know you're filming. You might be next. And what about the situation where the COP, related the basic traffic issue or license plate light by grabbing his gun or talking down to the driver and being disrespectful bullying, reaching into the car, unconstitutionally threatening violence, and then shooting the driver when he defends himself from this unconstitutional bullying. That's listed as justified in Sam's statistics. Because there's no oversight, we just don't know. There is no federal investigation required. I quote Sam Harris when I say justice demands that we be connected to reality. Now regarding police tactics. Sam makes a strong point. Going hands on to restrain a suspect is elevated in its danger factor by the officer, having a gun on his hip. If I have a gun. I don't want to engage you in hand to hand combat, because if I lose, that could mean my life. Sam Takes the angle of essentially defending or understanding the use of force by police. Because they need to be mindful of the fact, their gun could be used against them if they lose the fine. This keeps happening as I discussed this issue. EITHER WITH COPS or my family members or all lives matter activists, and now in responding to Sam here's. The pattern here is your all used to failed system. Mike Cop Friend who I'm not allowed to say his name because we talk in depth about these issues every time the happened. Ill sometimes want to quiz me on what I do. In the situation when I would shoot a suspect. But puts me in situations. He thinks avoiding the answer, but he's putting me in situations. Several seconds into the incident first assuming also participate in all the bad tactics that led up to that and it's hard for me to get in line with that. Because, yes, if I'm backed into that wall of already made those mistakes. Then then, yeah, people are going to die I. Don't think it starts at my hand on my gun and the person is popping out from behind. It started several minutes ago. It started years ago training. Yes in our broken system. COPS have to hit you back first before you have the chance to knock them out because they have a gun and you might take it. But I'm talking about full change. Here I'm talking about revolutionizing policing. It sounds like the gun is the escalating factor. I'm going to ask a question that many of you may find irrational at first. But hear me out. And much like Sam, warned of a visceral reaction to him, being a white guy and offering some statistics. I must offer the same morning as a non peace officer. But the data alone and won't lie even after I propose my absurd question. Hang on with me for just a moment. Take this. Take this ride that you disagree with. Remember that Aristotle said it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it. So just entertain this. You don't have to accept it right away. Why do traffic cops. Need guns. Okay. You're probably thinking that. Traffic stops are incredibly dangerous for cops. Right Well, you'd be wrong. If. Sam's point is that it's irrational to fear police, because only one in ten thousand arrests ends in death. Then traffic cops have no justified reason to be afraid of US enough to carry guns. According to a study by the Journal of Criminal Justice in this is no accident by the way the chances of an officer being assaulted, not killed assaulted on a traffic stop is one in ten, thousand, two, hundred and fifty six. The chances of an officer being killed is one in twenty million on the low end and one in nine point two million on the high end. And that's around the same likelihood of being in an airplane crash. So if we use the same police logic. Saying traffic. COPS need guns. Is like saying every passenger on every plane should wear a parachute. Just as I mentioned that guys with guns and sticks and bulletproof vest don't need to show up to ask me to turn my music down. This is the case with traffic violations. So what if? What if we cultivated a world where a traffic stop was more like a a parking violation by a meter maid? All the cars have dash cams and cameras so killing the meter maid doesn't help. You just adds a murder charge. We already have your license plate vehicle personal description, so if you run reported to investigators, who will track you down? There are no pursuits. They walk up to you to hand you a citation and they see drugs in the car. They have the option of reporting it to investigators. Who can contact you later? And then armed forces may have to address you at that point. What if you were guaranteed to only receive a ticket even if you had some narcotics in the car? What if you were guaranteed to not be subjected to the possibility of being thrown on your face in having your belongings gone through, and all your cash seized and your car towed. Even though your mom needs it for work in the morning because you smoked a little weed in your car at launch, and it still smells like it. The motivation to run or become violent is dramatically reduced because there is no imminent threat to the driver's safety. The fight or flight response is removed from the equation. If the only real function of traffic officers was. To site and release the incidents of hand combat, and the threats of death to either party dropped tremendously. But what about stolen Cars David? What about kidnapped victims and felony stops. The traffic officer calls in armed officers for that plain and simple, and just like a security guard at the traffic. Officer feels they're endanger. They can just leave and report the information investigators. The cops wait all the time. They sit there with their lights on and call in for backup and don't approach the car until somebody else comes. It happens all the time. Again. This is an issue affecting everyone in the population and I agree with Sam that the media should also show white people being killed by police. I could line up fifteen black people to interview on the show who are part of the black lives matter movement in each of them might have a different strategic plan for black lives, matter or or a different ideas on how to use the money. This is how human beings think differently. I personally happen to think that from a strategic perspective that the Hashtag police brutality or police reform would be more effective, more inclusive and less susceptible arguments than black lives matter. I also for the record, think that black lives matter to would see less resistance from all lives matter because it makes the statement redundant. But these are strategic leadership and marketing decisions for groups I'm not a part of. And while I can watch from afar and even Mark Martin solidarity in. The reality is I'm not based on percentage of any population at the same risk of dying by the hands of police that black men are. So while I do care about police brutality as a whole. Right now black lives are in more danger, and the movement is cultivating the change I wanna see so I'm on board. Even if I'm not driving. You have to understand. NASCAR NASCAR has now created a diversity department. They've hired a black vice president for that department. They've banned the confederate battle flag from their events. They've banned gun sponsorships. They've created a black lives matter car with a black driver. They're allowing the pride flag to be flown at their events, and they're even participating in pride events with giveaways. You can check the diversity page on their website for details I've already linked it on my twitter. That is change. That is reform. But we need more. That's that's one company their own part. So here's my idea. For sweeping reform I would call it a plan, but. I'm not in a position to put this into action but yet. Are Our failed. Criminal Justice System. Has Been a thorn in my side since college. And things like this definitely. Make me want to consider some sort of. Run for office. I don't WanNA leave this planet without making some sort of contribution. To the efforts of Of Justin. So. In that context if I did have the power, here's exactly what I would do. Well we start by acknowledging on a federal level that we have a problem. This is number one. Trump just signed an executive order police reform that does not mention the words, racism or bias. When cops are twenty, four percent, more likely to point a gun at a black man and eighteen percent, more likely to go hands on with black man both statistics, by the way were taken directly from Sam's episode where he cited the source. There is a clear bias here even among black and Brown officers. Both of those actions by police unnecessarily escalate situations. Number two. We stand with police by saying. You're overworked. Let's take some of that stressful workload off of you. And we reallocate a portion of police funding to higher unarmed code enforcement officers to handle noise, complaints, neighbor disputes and violent police calls. We hire more social workers to handle the mental health calls, and if the person is being violent or as a history of violence, then an armed officer goes on the call for backup. Three. We develop a credited federal training requirements for police with input. From civilians. No Mustang to let Karen train the COPS. But if we can do focus groups on the logo for the Kardashians we can certainly have citizen input on how it feels to be held at gunpoint for no apparent reason. I'd like to be a part of that one. Why, not pay people who we've wrongly convicted to consult on investigation tactics, and if you're rolling your eyes, saying those people have no police, training or experience. Exactly? That's why we're here. We've been letting bad habits. Run the show for way too long entrenched other officers to be even worse, and it's time to gut the system. We institute a mandatory fifty two week police academy that includes no militarized training, but rather conflict resolution, racial bias, diversity, and MMA style hand to hand combat such as Brazilian Jujitsu. The training should also include a community building basic psychology. Socratic Style de Escalation. The point is we don't want killing machines policing us. We want mentally stable community members. We can trust number five. We create a mandate that all police involved. Shootings are investigated at the royal level, no more buddies sticking up for bodies with internal affairs. For. Six We put a federal mandate on all reporting of police, behavior and complaints in a national database. Trump's current plan is to just offer incentives for reporting. That's not enough. We should make it a crime for police not to report complaints. Per Seven. We listen to the de-fund police movement. The reasonable people on that side are not actually looking to completely abolish all cops forever have them as part of the discussion on how to better allocate funds. Camden New Jersey's already done this and I'll explain that in a moment. This is not a crazy idea that should be ignored. But, we're talking about reallocating funds removing responsibilities from police, and then de escalate tensions where we can by reducing citizens interactions with law enforcement officials that are carrying deadly weapons or threatening attire. Braid And this addresses one of Sam's main concerns. We offer reparations. Not Individually. Like many of you are probably thinking. But in the form of major contributions to low income, blackened native communities. That were once red line. We do this to enhance their education. Enhance their parks, their safety and their employment opportunities. We build up those communities that we once red line gerrymandered and turned into food desert with no way to make a living other than crime, and we give this generation a chance to get ahead. Remove marijuana as a schedule one narcotic. So many cops use the site of weed as a reason to search or harass people, and it escalates to violence and for what? What is the gain. If the person then goes to jail, they're back out in hours and now they have a criminal record. We invest in mandatory drug rehabilitation programs instead of jail. I can't tell you how many times I have been astonished and disgusted at someone being arrested for opiates or Meth they get arrested. Clearly, they are wrecking their life to get this drug and we go throw them in a metal box. If someone is caught with opiates or meth. They don't belong in boxes were they can learn to become criminals? They have a medical condition and they need help and right now we throw them away instead of being humanist in helping to repair the damaged people that are struggling. Then we make it easier for felons to get jobs. Limiting the resources forces them back into committing crimes. Which is why the US Department of Justice shows that are state prisons have an eighty three percent recidivism rate. Eighty three percent recidivism. And that's up from seventy seven percent when I I wrote about this topic in two thousand six. That means right now. Five out of every six inmates who are released from state prison. Get arrested with a nine years of their release. We just keep limiting their opportunities and then pretend to have no idea why people commit crimes and can't get their lives together. Number twelve. We got an privatized prisons. It is one of the greatest crimes against humanity to make imprisonment of four profit corporation. It's beyond disturbing. And number thirteen, and yes I put it here on purpose abolish slavery. For real this time. The Thirteenth Amendment States, that slavery is abolished unless one is convicted of a crime. And you can use slavery as a punishment. Thereby making it legal to enslave a convicted felon. And when you couple that with privatize prisons. You get a massively corrupt organization of crooked judges shuffling. Free Labor to private corporations called prisons. Profits to make sure those crooked judges stay in power. Thanks to a lack of campaign finance reform. So Those are my immediate thirteen actions that hopefully answer Sam's question of what to do next. We're in the situation now where? When all you have is a hammer. Every problem looks like a nail. So, our mindset is more cops. More guns dominate them. It clearly doesn't work. We can't just address the police problem without dealing with the ripple effect of other issues in our society that lead to crime. Sam Touches on this I have to concur. We have to also address education which drastically reduces someone's likelihood of being involved crime. If we take the reparations path I mentioned and build up those communities. And put funding into the education systems of low income areas and create new opportunities and pay the teachers better with better textbooks and better classrooms, literally, millions of young black men and women will be far less likely to be involved in crime. And something simple as raising the minimum wage would go a very long way. Let's think about the absolute desperation that must be going on in some of these communities. Think about this for a moment. According to the Economic Policy Institute. Minimum wage was originally designed to be raised on a regular basis to keep up with inflation. Otherwise, there's no point in having won. If minimum wage were a nickel today. It wouldn't matter. But there is no federally mandated schedule. Or dollar amounts. For our social safety net that is the minimum wage none. The states this very long quote. Stick with me. Since its inception in nineteen, thirty eight, the federal minimum wage has been adjusted through legislated increases nine times. From a nominal value of twenty five cents per hour, nineteen, thirty, eight to the current seven dollars and twenty five cents an hour, or it has remained since two thousand nine. These increases have been fairly irregular varying in size, and with differing links of time between increases yet aside from a very few brief deflationary periods in the post. World War Two era prices of items have consistently risen year after year. Each year the minimum wage remains unchanged. Its purchasing power slowly erodes until policymakers decide to enact increase. This haphazard maintenance of the floor has meant that low wage. Workers of different generations or indifferent decades have been protected by significantly different wage standards in quote. Now. That's a very professional way of saying that things are way more expensive now in poor people keep getting poorer. If the minimum wage actually kept up with inflation. It would be twenty dollars in twenty four cents an hour right now. How many of you? Know Somebody. or You yourself make less than twenty dollars and twenty four cents an hour. Then you are below minimum wage as it pertains to inflation that means that back in nineteen thirty eight. When the minimum wage was created at twenty five cents an hour, it should have been three dollars and eighty one cents. And shockingly that also means that three dollars and eighty one cents had the same purchasing power and nineteen, thirty eight that twenty dollars and twenty four cents has today yet. Our minimum wage is seven twenty five. Think of this on a simpler level. When your teenager runs up to you and says hey I'm going to the movies with my friends can have twenty bucks. Give them seven dollars and see what happens. You couple this with red lining that happened generations ago and passed down poverty like a ball of Shit Rolling Downhill ANYTHING THERE'S NOT GONNA be exponential crisis in these neighborhoods of color. You think there's not going to be. More crime high tensions drug sales. Family splitting apart over stress in financial arguments were the primary causes of divorce. The need for section eight housing, and then guns to protect yourself from your poor desperate starving neighbors who want your shit? Gun owners especially in the south joke a lot about needing guns for the Zombie Apocalypse. Why does that make sense? Limited resources. Desperation. Doing what it takes to survive. You have no idea how many millions of people right here in this country are damn near living in their own Zombie apocalypse right now, and that's why the kill each other at alarming rates. And then we step back and proclaim. They're so violent. Of course they get shot more the responsible for all this crime. Of course they get police more. Your City issued handgun is the Hammer. But you are patrolling neighborhoods with humans. Not Nails. By addressing these things. Dealing with income, inequality, homelessness and ending the war on drugs. We can take a much better step in the right direction than our current administration is doing. And I think those issues would go a long way in reducing the Ferguson effect that Sam brings up. Just not policing high crime areas, just not policing anyone at all. Immediately by itself. As the Ferguson, effect has shown that will make crime worse. We're not just saying de-fund police and keep everything else the same. That's a complete misunderstanding of the argument and according to rappaport rules which Dan it speaks of. You should be able to understand someone's argument so well. You can repeat it back to them in a way that would make them say. I wish I would have thought to put it that way. Before you can rationalize an argument against them. And unfortunately I. Don't believe. Sam has of comprehensive understanding of the defunct police movement or the crime statistics enough to form these arguments. I believe he's an intelligent person, a thoughtful person and a humanist at heart, and my true motivation is due in doing this is that he will hear it and will rethink his position. And analyze that data. And will ultimately change his opinion. That race isn't relevant issue in policing. Now? Sam begins to wrap his podcast. Saying the following quote. Racial leising speak about the problem of police violence where race isn't actually the relevant variable. has highly negative effects. Sam. When you said this I have to be honest. Even checking my emotions as you requested. My jaw dropped. Not, not for reasons that you may expect. I wasn't offended. I didn't WANNA cancel you. But. I have so much admiration for your research abilities. For your critical, thinking for how you treated me as an individual and what you've done for skepticism science. So from a pure methodological standpoint. How can you quote the statistics? Acknowledging that blacks are pulled over more manhandled more more likely to be thrown up against a wall. And have police pull in aim their guns. And with your understanding of what the fighter flight response does to the human brain. The heart the muscles and reactions and the disparities you mentioned. Regarding, crack versus cocaine when you acknowledged it disproportionately affects the black community. which you know then leads to more arrests, worst criminal records longer history of prior convictions and more obstacles to obtaining housing and employment. How can you possibly say that? Race isn't a relevant factor in policing. You're right when you say there is no evidence that white police officers are hunting down black on a regular basis, but Sam, this goes back a long way. In the words of Angela Davis. What does it mean to be a criminal in this country? Even back to the thirteenth amendment. Allowing slavery for punishment of crime. It's coincidence that are prison. Boom started around the same time that slavery ended. Our. Country is home to five percent of the global population, but twenty five percent of the world's prison inmates. That's one in four humans on Earth. In our prisons. When a nation is built on an economic system, a free labor and those laborers are suddenly no longer force to work. There's a panic that ensues just from an economic standpoint. Just like we say with the pandemic. How can we get the workforce back to working before the economy crumbles? That's what was swirling around in eighteen, sixty five with that loophole in the Thirteenth Amendment, the answer was arrest the former slaves and make them work for free. These newly freed people had no homes, no jobs nowhere to be. So things loitering and vagrancy, which is just being homeless. We're made illegal. It was illegal to be homeless. Knowing that four million. Black people were just released from slavery and had nowhere to live. So I set you free with no home in that I. Make It illegal to be homeless and go pick you up. Put the shackles back on and save the economy. That put four million former slaves at immediate risk of being arrested. There's an amazing documentary on Netflix Card thirteenth that everyone should watch. And Sam. I think it would address a lot of your hesitation to confirm race as a problem in policing. Racism. is a hidden foundation of policing in our country. We don't talk about it openly. Nobody wants to address it, but if I could recite every word of that film in this podcast, I would it is a must watch for every American. And I can't do it just as here so please just go watch it in fact, check it in use your critical thinking skills to ascertain fact from fiction, but please watch it. One particular thing addresses is how our prison population was three, hundred, Fifty, seven, thousand in nineteen seventy. When the Nixon administration brought about the idea of law and order a war on crime, the war on drugs. Nixon said, and I quote. There can be no progress in America without respect for the law. It wasn't about listening or change or real progress. It was about domination of the unruly. And blacks were painted as unruly because they had been treated fairly for so damn long, so their anger, their desire for fair treatment was seen as anger, and you needed to dominate the angry unruly blacks. From slavery to being counted as three fifths of person to the Jim Crow era, not being allowed to vote segregated schools whites-only libraries whites-only water fountains. It was damned near made illegal to be poor. The this is not something that happened eons ago. My mother was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty two. She remembers the whites only signs. My grandparents on my Dad's side flew a confederate battle flag in front of their house. I, remember seeing it when I went over there. I have a cousin on my mom's side with a massive white power tattoo across his back. When my niece Rene was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred ninety. A huge portion of my family in Texas, refuse to see her a little newborn. And told us not to stop by if she was in the car because she was half black. Now I get it. This is just my family's racist roots in Texas. In Sam. You're obviously not denying racism exists. But who do you think was becoming police officers? And City Council members and detectives in Mayors and governors and legislators. Those members of the community. I have to quote one more thing. That I've read elsewhere, but again it does show up in that documentary thirteenth. It's a quote from the Nixon administration official. His name is John Hayman and This is verifiable. Go look this up. Because it is shockingly. Shockingly showing you the mindset of the war on crime. He says and I quote. The Nixon campaign in nineteen, sixty eight and the Nixon White House after that had to enemies. The, antiwar left and black people. We know we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black. But by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana, and the blacks with heroin, and then criminalising both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders raid their homes. Break up their meetings and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did. We know we were lying about the drugs of course we did. End Quote. And just like that. In ten years from nineteen seventy to nineteen eighty, we had a forty four percent increase in our prison population. Why. Blacks were made to be feared. To look like animals to make America great by locking up the scary people committing these crimes. And you know there were seventeen year old white kids watching this happen. Wanting to protect their families growing up seeing the news of black man locked up by the thousands and portrayed as being dangerous criminals. will by the nineties though seventeen year olds were twenty-seven-year-old police officers. And now today they're sixty year old legislators, attorneys governors mayors city council members. And in two thousand twenty. We have two point two million people in prison. Thirty eight percent of those people are black. And, they're only thirteen percent of the population. Whites are sixty two percent of our population, but only thirty five percent of our prison inmates. That's no accident and Sam. It does not mean that blacks commit more crimes that they are caught more because that's where the cops are looking. As one example. Blacks and whites consume marijuana at the same statistical rate. But black people are arrested four times more often for weed than whites. Why? How could that beef race was at the relevant problem in policing. Same crime same drug four times more likely to be arrested. And remember once you're a convicted felon in forty eight states. You lose the right to vote while in prison. In twenty one St, you lose the right to vote even after you released and you have a chance of getting it back in eleven states, you'll never get it back even when convicted of only one felony. And in Your Mind Right Now, felony may be justified in that regard. But a felony is just anything that essentially carries a minimum of one year in jail. In three states, any amount of marijuana is a felony, a joint, a blunt a tiny bag. In most cases anywhere from one to four ounces of weed is a felony. Five grams of Meth will get you five years in prison. In some states, a person found in possession of what's deemed an illegal firearm or war, illegal ammunition, which could just be a bullet if you're not allowed to have a gun at all. You can be charged and serve five years per bullet. Even if there is no firearm present if you have two bullets in your pocket with no gun. And you are prohibited from carrying a firearm. That's ten years in prison. That vandalism of my personal vehicle that I talked about in a previous episode that was caught on video. That was deemed a felony. because. It caused over four hundred dollars in damages. Don't want the guy punished. Absolutely do I want restitution. Damn Straight, as should be paid back for the damages caused. But should he lose the right to vote for the rest of his life? That is absurd. So throwing people in prison in mass over these ridiculous crimes in unnecessarily escalated charges takes voice away. They lose control over their future and the future of their communities and children. And this is true across the political spectrum. From, Nixon Reagan and Bush using code words to instill fear and launched the war on drugs and tough on crime bills, and and then on the Democratic side with Hillary Clinton in her superpredators, comments and Bill Clinton with his mandatory sentencing requirements which which prevented judges from making fair assessments of someone's character in crime history, which by the way he has admitted read the problem worse and apologized for. He said he was wrong to do it. But of course, race is a relevant factor in policing. And it has been since you started in this country. It's not the only factor and as you said Sam. Bad police tactics are a main cause, but when blacks are the focus of traffic stops. And Investigations and citizen, contact and blacks are more often searched. Even though they don't have more drugs again, do you think will be most affected by those bad tactics? Sam. I've been on your side multiple times. Even when you didn't know it. When Ben Affleck pulled his nonsense on you. during Bill Maher Show I was screaming and my television, and in fact. I can't take him seriously as an actor to this day for how he referred to you and ignored reality. I've lost listeners and subscribers and leftist friends for defending you. But I still stand by that today. You are not a racist. You were right in what you said to been. But on this issue I think you're mistaken. One in three black men can be expected to be in prison at some point in his life. and. Here's my proof Sam That you know race is irrelevant factor. Imagine that we did away with all police murders. Imagine that. We got rid of all guns in some perfect. Progressive Utopia. Blacks would still get more tickets. Blacks would still be grabbed more thrown up against walls, more and searched more. They'd be more likely to runaway reveal arrest for fear of that violence and harassment. Even if they weren't being killed, we would have a massive race problem in this country at the hands of police. So. Sam. If all the murder stopped. You still wouldn't want to trade places with blacks in America. You wouldn't want a police officer to see you as black when you got pulled over. And? That's how we know. Race is at the forefront. You mentioned that. Some of US started out on third base. WHO GETS to decide. WHO GETS THE HEADSTART Is it random. You know not random. And this is where the whole concept of equality versus equity comes into play. This concept about the layout, a found to have success in bridging this gap. With conservative politicians on my podcast with Adam, Corolla, as he conceded this understanding of it when I went on his show and explain it. Because, he began denying that white privilege was even a thing, and then later acknowledged existed after laid out this concept. And the same happened in conversations with our mutual friends. People Gordon and Dave Rubin. And even Dennis. Prager acknowledged this. So I WANNA. Try to explain it here as well. We can look at laws right now and we can say there is no system policy that says blacks can't do X. or that blacks must be punished for be. Therefore, there is no systemic racism I see. Candice Owens saying things like this Larry. Elder saying things like this. and. That's what he quality looks like the most people. But. Imagine that we're racing on a football field. And all things are going to be equal for fairness and the race starts at four. PM Sounds Fair so far, right? So. Let's see who can get from one goal line to the other goal line I. But at three fifty five PM. I jog out to the fifty yard line. Now to keep things fair and equal. We should run at the same speed. And at four, pm we begin running. And what if that goal line that we're running toward just keeps getting further and further away. You started at the opposite goal. Line I started on the fifty yard line and we just keep running perpetually. At first, it's obvious that it's unfair by cheated. But after a few generations come and go, it just becomes accepted that some people just faster than others. Sounds a lot like victimhood when you fifty yards behind me, start bitching about this, not being fair. Hey, don't blame me for something to happen to long time ago. Blacks in this country did not get a fair start. And as a result, consistently targeted by those with authority. You ask how we can recruit good cops and get rid of the bad cops without negatively affecting the good cops or the community and again. This stopped short. I'm no longer buying into this idea. Of Good Cops and bad cops mentalities I i. just I just don't think that's the case, and I don't think all cops are bad or racist either. Demonstrated here. You can be a good cop today in a bad cop tomorrow and turned back into a good cop before anyone notices. And to demonstrate this, I'll quote. You. When you said, most people think there are a lot of bad people running around the world. There aren't a lot of bad people. There are a lot of bad ideas and bad ideas are worse than bad people because bad ideas are contagious. Bad ideas get good people to do horrible things. Exactly Sam? This is not about the quality of humans near as much as it is about fixing a broken system created with bad ideas that allows bad behaviors to go unchecked. A good person can do a bad thing and then panic and continue to do bad things to cover up that bad thing because he fears losing his job and that would be a really bad thing. And a good guy gets his friend. Make a mistake and then join him out of respect for the Brotherhood backing the blue and help cover up mistakes even if people get hurt. So, how do we? ARATU kate these bad ideas from policing? I'm not going to say I don't have any answers. The answer is we need to rethink everything. We've done to build this corrupt system. When people scream to dismantle police forces. This is what they're talking about. The idea is to dismantle and rebuild. To abolish and replace with a better structure of policing. This is about reporting monitoring oversight and collecting mandatory data, so that history does not continue to repeat itself. Most people. Not Camden new. Jersey did just that. They had one of the nation's highest crime rates, and they completely eradicated their police force and started over. They now have a policy of community policing. The cops literally walked the streets, having cookouts and meet the community, and they know the people there policing and the crime in Camden is now one of the lowest in the country. So while just hearing, abolish police sounds terrifying. It's not it's been done and the areas who have done this still have police today. So again, maybe the marketing the terminology is not on point, but. This. Entire podcast wouldn't fit on a protest sign. Look into the movement. Read the examples of where it's happened in the historical accounts. Let's replicate those improvements for the betterment of society. You finished your podcast by saying why now. Police shootings have gone way down. What do you mean by this? You said in the beginning that it's been about one thousand deaths per year by police, and that's been pretty steady. You also said that the data is incomplete and that there's no reliable national database. So we don't even know if we can trust that reporting. So. How can you possibly make the statement that police shootings are down? Based on what? That one statistic in our city that shows a thirty year low. La had a good year. I! Maybe I'm wrong here, but that's just seems like such a stretch to me. And perhaps it's what's known as availability bias. Drawing conclusions from recent experiences rather than the holistic data. Just like when there hasn't been police brutality in several months, and then one video services, and then the media loses their collective minds and access. If this is a daily occurrence. You're right that it's not as frequent as it seems on TV, but you're wrong that it's trending downward. It's not. However it's important to note your concern of mass hysteria. And the media bias. The camera angles the politics, the rhetoric, the partial clips of protests partial clips of police videos that we all need to be careful not to fall victim to. But that doesn't negate the need for immediate and drastic change. And we don't get there by pretending. That race isn't one of the major obstacles, if not the driving force. The looting and violence should be kept to a minimum because it can only help. Trump make the case that we need alone. Order President, you are spot on with that and as a stand up. Comedian I'm happy that you said what you did about us. Not being constantly on guard against the bad joke or the awkward compliment or the tweet that didn't age well. The idea of the woke EST religion scares all of us and if it doesn't scare you, it's because you haven't been victimized by them yet. We can't let extremism win. Making everything about race is a problem. But constantly saying racism isn't the problem like you did in. Your podcast is also a problem in itself. I agree that I'd like to see a time. Where skin color is like hair color, but we have to fix the problem before it goes away. Ignoring it, it's only going to get worse and allow those who seek the damage people of color to begin doing so once again in the shadows. Donald Trump has exposed more racist than any activist ever could. They come out of the woodwork to show their true colors and support for him. And if we ignored them, they'd go back to working behind the scenes. These companies. You refer to as singing from the same hymns by standing with black lives matter. There simply showing Solidarity Sam. They are showing the white supremacists that they're not welcome in their stores and establishments that they don't want commit customers. Remember when I sat about black lives matter being a movement seeking validation. These companies are showing that the black community is being heard for the first time in a long time. They're acknowledging the validation that beal has been seeking, and that is a positive thing. So. Finally. To end on a positive note. Of Agreement that I have with you. Trump. 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Weekly Wrap: Transgender Military Ban, Chunky 'Dad' Sneakers, Plus Who Uses Twitter?

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Weekly Wrap: Transgender Military Ban, Chunky 'Dad' Sneakers, Plus Who Uses Twitter?

"Support for NPR and the following message come from Dulles International Airport with the highest on time takeoff percentage of any airport on the east coast. I a d means I'm already departing more at fly Dulles dot com slash fast. Hey, y'all this. This is not that easy this week on this show reporter for NPR member station K UT in Austin taxes, actually Lopez end, Dallas Morning News reporter, Laura McGown. He all right. From NPR. I'm Sam Sanders. It's been a minute happy weekends to my listeners into my guests who are here in Texas with me because I'm in Texas this week in Austin at one of my favorite public radio stations k UT joined by actually Lopez reporter AK UT covering politics and healthcare, thanks for being here. And thanks for having me also here with Lauryn mcgaughey, Dallas Morning News reporter covering Texas, politics, your bio says Dallas, but you live in Austin idea gas. Thanks for joining me today. Yeah. I'm really excited to be here kinda nervous nothing to be nervous about. I mean, how can you be nervous? When there's a little Billy Joel in the background beautiful. Yeah. Power back. Off the. Liberty to reason to play the song. But I am playing the song for reason. This is Billy Joel's. We didn't start the fire. I don't know. Can you? Guess why? I'm playing this longest week. It's part of a big cultural event happening this weekend across the country. Oh game of thrones. No. Another thing that everyone's to watch this weekend. Oh is a sports related. No, okay. I have what are you talking about? Yes, I have given up on have one of those movies. So because everything in the universe has to be caught up in the avengers. Indie game cultural vortex this week the cast of the adventures they released an avengers version of we didn't start the fire on the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon. Fury has a plan big shot on reactor coal. You got Robert Downey junior. And the crew singing, Billy, Joel. The transfer. I mean back. Okay. What I say about these movies? So this is part of the marketing blitz for this movie. That was probably going to be one of the biggest movies of all time. There are these stories about the enters pushing other movies off of their screens just to give as much screen as possible to this film. It's a big deal. We gotta watch it. Now. I mean, I can say hundred percent watch it. I'll probably watch it on an airplane. You're from now. But what I have found myself feeling in the last few weeks is that like there are these big. They're these big events in whatever we have left of the mono culture that I just keep missing. I don't watch game of thrones. I don't watch these comic book movies. I'm not into Star Wars. So that trailer last week. Didn't do anything for me. Am I missing out? Am I okay? I don't know. I think you're okay. I think you're fine. Well, yeah. All right time for the news. We're going to start the show as we always do ask them each of my guest to describe their week of news in only three words. We're taping this Friday morning. So by the time, you hear this stuff might have changed. Ashley, you're up. I might three words. Yeah. Okay. High stakes voting the Texas legislature. Among many other bills is considering one that when it had already passed in the Texas Senate that would raise criminal penalties for mistakes people make while voting or in the case of like legislators think they're voter fraud. Like, what tends mistake. So a good example is like filling out a voter registration form incorrectly. Saying you're citizen when you're not committing any sort of other kind of major error misrepresenting the facts about like who you are. And all that right now something like that is a class b misdemeanor. They wanna make it a state jail felony, which will felony. Yep. You will face jail time, possibly depending what happened and it's more than just Texas right there allow makers across the country looking at laws like this. Yeah. I mean, this has been going on for at least since Obama 's first election, you know, Republican legislators have been Manassas first election have been cracking down on what they see as, you know, so called voter fraud, and creating bills aimed at either dissuading people from voting or creating penalties for people who do things that they consider to be voter fraud. But what do we know about the actual existence voter fraud in places like Texas or Zona or Tennessee where these laws are getting past or about to be passed. Yeah. This is a great question because there's not data on both sides. There's not good data on both sides. I mean like this are with voter suppression efforts. Like, that's the way that Democrats frame these laws. Yes. Like, how can you prove that someone didn't do a thing because of a thing rate at that's hard to suss out? Indeed. Yeah. Proving a negative is really hard and then in voter fraud. Like, you know, there have been a lot of studies. There's not evidence that this is a widespread problem. So people forget that this is a relatively new situation wherein because in Texas, we used to be part of section five of the Voting Rights Act in two thousand thirteen the supreme court, basically got it a really important part of that law and Texas with part of this group of states and counties that had to clear anything they did related to voting and elections permission. Right because they have a his there's a history here of racial discrimination, especially when it comes to voting and then in two thousand thirteen that change in. So now, the only way those things don't get vetted on the front end, it has to be worked through the courts and courts tickle longtime. So before there was like a federal clearinghouse for new measures like these. Yeah. That kind of been stripped. And so now, you just have to wait until some harm or damage happens that you can take to court. Yeah. And now the courts of chance so who knows like, you know, under the Trump administration the courts have gotten more conservative Lauren question for you. So seeing these type of bills percolate in the cross. The country. It makes me wonder if in twenty twenty as a like as it wasn't thousand sixteen are we going to see the issue of voter fraud or voter suppression. Be as big as it was. Then I think it depends on who wins. Right. I mean, if Trump gets reelected, you know, what is he going to say about it? If a democrat gets reelected, what is the, you know, the right gonna come back and say, so yeah, I mean, it's popular political fodder. So why stop talking about it because it gets people around up? Yeah. Lauren. You have three words. I do. It's a question is not a ban. I like the little Mechtild on the bed. Thank you got to see that you guys. Yeah. So April twelfth a new policy for transgender servicemembers in the military went into effect, a new Trump administration policy, and there has been a lot of confusion about what it actually means for real people who either want to enter the military or who are currently serving in the military, and I've covered LGBTQ issues for awhile and transmitter issues specifically, but this one entered kind of like sideways for me because there's a student here on campus at the university of Texas at Austin who came out and said, I'm trans I had an ROTC scholarship and. Program at college students and students take part in to get ready to go into them. Yeah. It's like officer training. And this trans students said, you know, I'm gonna lose my scholarship to enter this officer training program because of this new policy, and really what I'm hearing is the policy seems very clear like, you know, it's been written about as this is a ban on transgender troops in the military. You just you can't become a servicemember if you're trans. But it all comes down to a couple of factors if you are a trans person, and you have had any transitioning medical procedure. So that's like you are disqualified from entering the military. So can't if you're already there. So if you're already there, and you've transitioned and you've gotten the okay from the military to do so you can stay. So those are going to be thousands of actively serving trans service members who were going to be allowed to stay. Yes. But new people. Can't enlist with a little bit stagnant. Yeah. And there's this gray area to about people like the ROTC student. I mentioned so if you've got like one foot in the door, and you're like on your way, there's a lot of questions about whether that person would have to follow or or pass some kind of a new medical test when they enlist so there's like multiple levels, basically, it's really confusing for the new people and also there's waivers like certain military of just Nope. Yeah. Well, any service? So the services are like army navy all the ones you're familiar with any of those services can give someone a total waiver from this program. So they can say, hey, your trans person. You don't qualify under our guidelines anymore. But we think you're so great that we're going to enlist you. Anyway, we just don't know if they're going to end up doing that. Because it's so new it is so weird to hear you talk about this. Because I could never imagine what. Feels like to have to constantly litigate your gender where through employer with the government. Like I walked through the world. And I'm just a dude. And like what do people going through this feel yet? The trans service members who are serving and those that are interested. They feel like they're we're gonna lose our best and brightest unless they get this waiver that you know, may not even be available to them and is questionable. And so I think what people are faced with now is there's some gray areas about whether they'd actually able to enlist, but you know, we just we just don't know. Like, you listening to it's been a minute from NPR the show where we catch up on the week. That was Sam Sanders here with two guests Lorne Megahey, Dallas Morning News reporter covering Texas, politics and Ashley Lopez reporter NPR member station, K U T covering, politics and healthcare politics, politics policy. Ix all day. I love it. I have three words. Okay. Was I thought. But three words are who's national conversation. You know, the phrase national conversation is thrown about all the time about almost off. But there was a new study out from pew that made me ask the question who's national conversation is leading the national conversation. So pew. The Pew Research Center looked at who uses Twitter in who uses Twitter the most and their findings kind of confirmed that we always knew anyway, they found that two hundred users or younger than the rest of the country. They found that Twitter users or more likely to ID as Democrats they found that Twitter users are more highly educated, and they found that Twitter users have higher incomes and most American adults overall and the top ten percent of Twitter users generate eighty percent of all American tweets. And so that just leaves me asking this question in this period in which all new cycles seemed to be driven by Twitter whose national conversation is that. Well, I am definitely one of those. Lubar users. I wonder how many of these people are journalists like a ton like what is the contingency of like journalists Twitter? Yeah. I mean, I will say like, I I think there was like a news organization that put this challenge out to their reporters. Like don't use Twitter for a month. Like, if you're if you're if you're like politics reporter getting like trying to get seems like threads of like the national conversation through Twitter. You're basically doing it wrong. Let's just stop doing that all together. And you know, there's a conversation going on about this in the Democratic Party too. I heard like a couple of of candidates mentioned like Twitter's more woke than the Democratic Party like Twitter, Democrats are like thirty different. Yeah. Yeah. So like if you're preaching to the choir of Twitter, lake you're not the real world is not the well, it it has some really interesting implications. I think for the twenty twenty campaign, you have all these candidates democratic candidates who don't know which conversation to follow. You know, there's a conversation around Joe Biden in who he is on the internet that is entirely different than the national conversation in the real world, quote unquote about Joe Biden. And so like for him he's already a front runner. Does he tack to the left to make the Twitter base happy or does he appeal to? I don't know what some folks might consider a real or more moderate national conversation. It's hard, but it's also complicated. By the fact that we have a president who governs through Twitter. Yeah. We can't not follow that someone respond to that. You study with a really interesting tweet. They said, so, you know, the whole idea like Twitter is in America. And then someone responded to that and said, well, neither is any large city. You know, neither is huge. Sten and neither is L A. And neither his New York. You'll be America is all of America. There's no way to take like a pure litmus test on what it means to be American it because that's the beauty of being an American. It can mean anything, but I also felt like before Twitter the thing that a political journalists used to do was their bread and butter you'd go to a mid western state, sit down at a diner talked to someone drinking coffee, and that was your American heartland conversation. But that's also non his own one certain subset of America too. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do it. All man got do it. Yeah. I mean, I think maybe that's the problem with the question is, you know, there is no way to define it. You know? I mean, what were what were your three words again, who's congre national gums national conversation? I mean that maybe the national conversation needs to be that. There is no one conversation. That's too complicated getting getting no. But I mean, everyone's voice is valid. It is this is another story where it's gonna be a thing for a while like Twitter as a driver of the national conversation is not gonna that's not gonna stop just as we saw. Jack Dorsey, one of the higher Witter have a sit down closed-door meeting with the president. I mean like this is not going away. This is all reality. Can't it though. It's time for a break coming up. We're gonna talk about the strange fashion. Trend will not quit those clunky. Oversized dare I say, ugly sneakers. I ask an expert why they're all the rage. And how long will have to keep seeing them. That's after the break. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR. We'll be right back. Support also comes from VS p individual vision plans offering coverage for a low monthly cost. If you don't have vision coverage through an employer, you'll get access to the nation's largest network of independent doctors and hundreds of name-brand frames. Plus you can save more than two hundred dollars a year. VS people leaves you deserve to see better for life for less. Discover for yourself at need VS p coverage dot com. 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But you should definitely know about his joke about celebrity chef guy Fieri patent Oswald called that joke. The one joke that he wishes he could steal free here the story and the man behind that joke on Tuesday in your podcast feed. All right back to the weekly wrap from Austin bought for the weekly rob from Allston thousand bet. We're back. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR the show where we catch up on the week. That was I'm Sam Sanders here with two guests as this avengers. What does it aim of the movie in game? Kid takes over on the country. Not watching that movie. Please don't send us. Hey, man. You're hearing the voices of Ashley Lopez reporter at NPR member station, K UT covering politics and healthcare. Thanks for being here. Also, lower Magai, Dallas Morning News reporter covering Texas politics based in Austin. Yes. Dallas or Austin tell us I like them both Dallas because I like dolls because what you see is what you get. And it's like we are we are saying with Houston Austin is like that kid that really wants to be cool. And it's like always trying to convince crowd that. It's cool. Yeah. Dallas is not ashamed of the big hair. Oh, absolutely here for it. Yeah. Although I would take Fort Worth any Dan like at their Teac Houston. Lauren actually, yes, it's springtime about to be summertime, which means it's that time of year. I look at all of the people younger than me walking down the streets, and I see their spring and summer fashion choices, and I sighed deeply one of the things that I'm seeing that. I think it's going to be big this summer as it was last summer are the so-called dad's sneakers or ugly, tennis, shoes or clunky tennis shoes. Have you all seen them? Yeah. I didn't even know. This was thing. Oh, come. Oh. I didn't haven't seen it. Well, now, I've seen it. And I want to like burn my eyes. Tweets, gouge your eyes out. It's a lot. It's a lot for the eyeball to take in. It's a law firm level to take in. And like, I try to not be that old woman who is just hanger wagging. I wanna understand the clunky ten issues. I wanna see what see where it's coming from. I want to try to find some beauty in them. So I decided to devote an entire segment of the show to the question of clunky tennis shoes with the segment that we call. I have so many questions. What? Since a lot. This is a while. So I called Washington Post fashion critic in fashion expert, Robin given to talk me through the big ugly sneaker craze. Here's our chat. Hello, robin. How are you? Hi. So we're here to talk about quote, unquote, ugly sneakers, but I want us Robyn to just describe as accurately as we can for radio listeners. Exactly what we mean when we say, ugly sneakers like is there a way to describe them without seeing them that works what I think using the term ugly is. Yes. Hi, one a bit key designer behind this trend says that he doesn't consider them a gli at all. And that's get enough alia who is finer for Balenciaga. And you know, he started creating these sneakers which kind of look like they have about three or four layers of soul instead of just one simple way or in. I mean just to underscore. How big the shoes are called the? The triple s because they took parts of three different shoes. And like put them together to make one Amish shoe. Yeah, it looks a little bit. Like if an Opole, Ian desert with a shame. Yes. You know, what's layer cake issue? What I find. So interesting about what the clunky she represents. And I love what you've written about this. You've said that it's kind of a quote giant middle finger to fashion that we're used to for women were it's you know, heels and legs, and like pain, you know, what women also say when they were these tissues is like I can be beautiful and my feet don't have to hurt. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a lot of pragmatism dot connected to it. And I think it also comes from, you know, a new generation of women who are coming into the luxury market. I'm not gonna use 'em word. Millennial. It's okay. I'm one of them that it's a new generation of different mindset. Yes. Sort of stepping into the world of luxury. But essentially says that the height of luxury is been comfortable snaps, and the other thing is not you know, offices today don't require the kind of formality that they did in the past. And a lot of people don't even go into offices. So the extension of your off time clothing sort of your play close now sort of merges into work clothing. I am really intrigued about the way that class plays out in different spaces. So when you look at like, the rise of the clunky tennis shoe, you can have designers at places like Balenciaga make expensive versions of things that we could assume our dad may have worn years ago. But when that kind of thing happens in the food world, it's very different like when chefs take inexpensive dishes from certain communities and then make them fancier in more expensive. There's a bit of finger wagging. I don't have an answer. This thing that I'm saying it's just a thought. Now, you're right. And I mean, but I think it happens in fashion as well. I think it sort of depends on designer's intent, but mostly I just think it also depends on the attitude with which it's warn at embraced. What I hear you saying is don't let the close where you you wear the clothes. So here's my biggest question and thing that I've actually gotten into small debates about with members of my team editor Jordana, she thinks that the rise of the clunky. Ten issue is all throwback to the tennis shoes are dad's used to wear, you know, decades ago, but my thesis is that actually the extreme clunky tennis shoe is something different because there is some of these shoes like the Balenciaga triple s that have gotten so big in so clunky and so- garish. It's actually not a shoe that my dad or my mom, or my uncle or my auntie would wear who is right Jordana. My editor me, you're right. Yes. The reason that you're right is because even when fashion week is back to revive something. It's never exactly the same. Because otherwise, there'd be no impetus to buy the new thing. If you want the exact same thing. Well, then just go to vintage store your dad. My dad certainly would never spend eight hundred dollars on a pair of sneakers. I mean, he looks a scant at one hundred dollars on a pair of sneakers. I remember my dad or in these clunky velcro to the shoes back in the day. And I think the cost twenty dollars. Exactly. So part of why I wanted to talk about the clunky shoe now is because I'm interested in how long it stays a trend. So like the triple s kind of helped the rise of the clunky shoe in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen they kind of peaks, but it's beginning to be summer. I'm seeing the kids out in about they're still wearing these shoes. How long do I have to see these shoes Robin while it's? It's really hard to put an expiration date on a trend, but the pendulum has really swung to the point where they can't got bigger. And the only way to go is poor dislike or sneaker or some other modification. I mean sort of paralleling the rise of the big sneaker. There's also there's also the rise of the birkenstock as a passion Jew that is still going strong because there's so many different collaborations and variations that you can have on it. But but the sneaker I do think that that's gonna start to fade. Oh, this makes my heart happy because I have a pair berkinstocks, which I. Which I wear with socks and no shang-. And I also have a pair of quote, unquote, ugly shoes at are rising again crocs. Yes, I do have a pair of cracks. And that might you know, I can believe deport you onto berkinstocks situation. Get behind the cross. Okay. You know at crock at one point were also onto Balenciaga runway. And really, yeah. Did you like those no? Robbins. Thank you. So so much you're well, all right. Take care. Thanks again to Robin Kevan of the Washington Post. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR, and I'm Sam Sanders here with Ashley Lopez from NPR member station K UT and Lauren Magai Dallas Morning News reporter. So we just heard a very smart person. Make a very strong defence of the idea at least of the clunky tennis shoe question for you after that would either of you actually wear these shoes. Now, I like to address like on the default setting of a person that's real really factory setting love yourself esteem. Own it. Yeah. We're millennials really into the minimalist aesthetic for a while. Like, I really I don't know on the also kind of look like location devices too much going on. I just don't. So I don't personally like how they look. But I am known to wear those big platforms sneakers like circa nineteen ninety five. Yeah. I have a pair that actually matches. I'm not I just really love them. They make me tall. And I you know, they feel bouncy. So I feel like people should be able to wear what they want to wear if they wanna wear those ugly shoes, I think ugly. But I mean, obviously will take bigger battles than items of clothing. Like is the rub for me is that it reminds me of the nineties that were so tacky. I love the I I. Yeah. Everything about the nineties. I was like we're good. I'm Jay hammer pants. I don't think they'll go down anywhere so comfortable, and I said I'll pick bigger bells. Time for break when we come back my favorite game who said that. This message comes from NPR sponsor. 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It is now time for an Austin, Texas based edition of my favorite game. Who said that? The game is simple. I share a quote from the week. You have to guess who said that or at least get the story that I'm talking about the winner gets nothing, shall we? Let's do it. And I quote ready. That's because one a y'all through a limit at me Martin, Dave. All right underground day. One of the biggest pop stars of the moment, she headlined Coachella this year in the southern California desert while she was playing her set. Someone threw a limit at her and she walked off stage and then had the comeback on later to finish her song. And her set. I think we have taken for saying don't grow them. I feel bad for her stop doing that. I also thought that that was a thing that died decades ago the throne of the fruit. This. Beyond say album beyond say, even though she wasn't at Coachella kind of still headlined Coachella because she released the special share about her Coachella set from the previous year. So upstaged. I mean is you know, it's a four it's still I'm sure that beyond say like likes are day. Yeah. And then lots of them from our day. I didn't like her before. I really really dug that Arianna. We're rooting for you. Yeah. Gosh. All right. You're up one. Ashley, congratulations. I'm never gonna win this game. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. Next, quote, an extremely excessively enthusiastic and devoted fan. Tell me other who said that or what that definition is of what is the culture calls kind of people. Rhymes with fan. It rains it to start throw it out can Dan man, NAN pan tan sand supposed to say Adeline. Stan STAN see I'm like right over my head. And actually knew this word the words the word STAN which for years on the net has meant like a superfan. Stand was officially added to the merriam Webster dictionary. This week a bunch of other words were added as well. But stay officially means an extremely or excessively enthusiastic and devoted fan too. I get that point because I went through the alphabet. Sure, thanks. This is what's so weird? Like, everyone loves to use the word stand on the internet talk about themselves. But the word STAN come from an Eminem song called STAN. Which is all about a superfan of Eminem's called stamp becomes a Stocker. I'm not gonna ask us to pull up that Eminem song. But if it was there, I would listen to a second. Anyway. It'd be back. Check would be your biggest fan. I should know that so the origins of the word stay in and not at all. No. And now we love the words dead. I say, no merriam Webster take. It back words change over time as do. But I don't know. Anyway, the game was tied tied. Kite of. Final quote, just tell me you get a keyword as soon as I get control of the board in the first game. I'm going for the one thousand dollar clues whenever I have the opportunity jeopardy guy. Yes. There's an ice. Okay. I heard this because I heard it on NPR about jeopardy guy who has now one more money than anyone has ever won like crazy amount like million dollars his name is James holes. Our he's the jeopardy contestant who recently won more than one million dollars in just fourteen games. His day job is sports betting. And so yeah. An interview with the New York Times recently and talked about his strategy. He was like I apply a bunch of my sports betting techniques to this game. But he said my my clutch rule for myself is always go for the big clues. I that's right. He said he takes big risks. Thank reward. Which is like not what you do in jeopardy. I guess what? He does. Yeah. But he. Anyone's big opening out a bunch of nerds on like jeopardy said I love it. That's the one I got I'm like ground. All right. That concludes who said that. 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Supreme Court Protects Rights For DACA And LGBTQ Workers

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Supreme Court Protects Rights For DACA And LGBTQ Workers

"All right man, my first big question for you. Given, these two big rule lanes on DACA and worker protections for Queer people on a scale of like one two. Oh my goodness! How big of a week was the Supreme Court Oh? My goodness week okay okay. Hey y'all this Santa Daddy this week. On the show, a look at big decisions from the Supreme Court and Black lives matter in the UK. All right, let's start. Hey from NPR I'm Sam Sanders. It's been a minute as my aunt. Betty just said we have a lot to talk about. This episode seems like there's so much happening right now, and it's all happening all at once. The Supreme Court has expanded the rights of not just one, but two marginalized groups this week, Dhaka recipients and LGBTQ workers across the country, and at the same time protests continue across the globe on behalf of the marginalized community, black and Brown people victimized at the hands of the police. What does it mean when all this change seems to be happening all at the same time? This episode will try to that to start. Let's make sense of what exactly the Supreme Court did this week. Marc Joseph! Stern covers the courts and the law for slate. He was voice. You heard at the top of the show called up mark to ask him what these rulings actually mean, and whether we really understand just how big of a deal they are. So I WANNA break down both of these cases quickly, and then I wanna get big picture and talk about what these ruling say about the court right now about the trump white, house, right now and kind of about all of us, but in a very quick wrap up. What is this DACA ruling? What does it say so? The DACA ruling is a five to four decision written by. by Chief Justice John Roberts joined by the Liberals. That says look Donald Trump could rescind Daca it's an executive program. Obama started at trump can end it, but if trump wants to end it, he asked to do it right and one of the things he has to do is provide a good clear, reasoned explanation for ending the program, and he has to follow a series of procedural rules. To make sure that he's not doing it an arbitrary and capricious way, and so does not mean that Daca will now be around forever. What it means is if trump still wants to repeal it. He has to start from the beginning. He has to do a do over and this time he has to provide good reasons for ending it, and he has to follow the rules so in a sense kind of a narrow decision, but if you're one of the more than seven hundred dollars in Dhaka, beneficiaries was waiting for this ruling, it is just really earthshaking in the best possible way. Speaking of Roberts in this idea that I keep hearing about this week that Roberts with his ruling shows, he's kind of just tired of the trump White House I want to get back to that but I want to. Have you explain briefly what discuss ruling on employment protections for lgbtq people actually means as well yeah, so another huge decision and one that had a very unexpected lineup with justice, Neal Gorsuch, writing the opinion joined by Chief Justice Roberts and the Liberals and gorsuch picked by trump. Yes, that's right to fill the seats that Republicans held open for more than a year precisely to avoid decisions like this one. And, basically, what Gorsuch said was the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four bars discrimination because of sex in the workplace, and when employers discriminate against gay people or transgender people, they are inherently taking their sex into account, and that's exactly what the law says. You can't do so if a male employee Mary's another man and gets fired, but a different male employees Mary's a woman and gets. Gets to stay on the job. What was the difference between those two employees? It was their sex. That's the only difference and Gorsuch says so. This is sex-discrimination, not that hard to figure out. We don't really care what Congress thought in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty four. The words of the statute are the law, and so this is sex. Discrimination and LGBTQ people are protected under federal law. You know with both these cases besides kind of just giving the administration a black eye because we know where the White House stands on both of these issues and also complicate some actual things they were trying to do earlier this week. The trump White House announced some new guidelines that would restrict some lgbtq rights, and they've been trying to and talking about dismantling DACA for years. How severely will these rulings limit? What the trump White House can do politically between now and the election on these two issues well on Daca. The process of winding down Daca was always going to take some time. The trump administration always said that they would basically just stopped. Renewing DACA beneficiaries permits, and so it seems like if trump doesn't get reelected, then Daca will stay like I. Don't think trump has enough time to repeal DACA over the next couple of months. With regard to LGBTQ cases I think you're absolutely right to wonder what impact these cases have on trump's agenda and I think the answer is a totally devastating impact, because one of the major initiatives of the trump administration has been to reinterpret a bunch of different federal laws to actually allow discrimination against transgender people, these are all laws that barred sex discrimination and the trump administration. Administration said we'll. sex-discrimination is totally different from Trans Discrimination, so none of these laws say anything about Trans people so we're just going to make sure that everyone can discriminate against Trans people and the Supreme Court just told the trump administration. You are wrong, basically every law that says there can't be sex. Discrimination also protects transgender people, and so when trump tries to roll back. Back the affordable. Care Act's protections for transgender people. I think that's out. I think that's obviously null and void. Trump has tried to revoke protections in education for transgender people I think that's out same story in housing all across the spectrum. The trump administration has been building up this theory that the Supreme Court just kind of blew up and so I think this is quite. Quite devastating to again one of trump's mean goals, which was to repeal every federal protection for Trans People that exists. Wow. I WanNa talk a little bit more about Neil gorsuch who has surprised everybody this week? with this textual interpretation of the Civil Rights Act to be part of a ruling that is exactly the kind of ruling. That trump did not pick him for. How big is how big is gorsuch in what he's doing? And does this actually take away one of trump's arguments for reelection that he can make the supreme. Court truly conservative. It's really big huge. And! Neil gorsuch presented himself as a true textualist. Okay, the kind of guy who only looks at the words of a statute and nothing else, but if you're a human being, it is hard to do that without letting your own prejudices and biases enter the picture right. This was something that Justice Scalia really grappled with I felt like especially towards the end of his life. scalise opinions were much less textualist, and much more about reaching the result he wanted so this was a case where it really was a battle over tax ISM because if If you only read the words of the Civil Rights Act it does seem clear that lgbtq people are protected because you just can't take sacks out of sexual orientation, you can't take early in the word the word exactly, and it's really baked into this kind of discrimination, so that was gorsuch argument, and also you know even Scalia acknowledged that laws can cover a lot more than their drafters ever anticipated they would, and this is just one of those instances where Congress wrote a super broad law and shocker. It has super broad applications. Also I mean why even try to figure out what folks in sixty four. We're thinking about twenty twenty. When everyone here in twenty twenty can't figure out what twenty twenty mean who knows what today means, but I digress exactly no, that's a great point, and if I could just add one thing, no one in nine, hundred and sixty four. No one who voted for this law thought that. That banned sexual harassment in the workplace. Okay Marine Corps did not even acknowledge that ban sexual harassment in the workplace until nineteen eighty six decades later, so if we only looked at what congressman thought and nineteen sixty four, this would be a largely toothless statute and I don't think that's really what the Civil Rights Act was supposed to be I think that law was supposed to have teeth. We've been talking about Gorsuch as a surprise, but Robert shows yet again. He's been a surprise for years right right in obamacare repeatedly. Now citing against the trump administration repeatedly, it's hard to figure out who John Roberts is and what he wants. He's just like a fascinating case study in a totally opaque and seemingly mild mannered person, who apparently has some kind of de preserve of independence that he only draws upon like three times a year and this year. He's already done it several times. Last question for you. When the ruling came out Monday about worker protections for lgbtq people. I said to myself. Wow, this is a really big deal. Maybe it's even bigger than marriage equality because a lot more quarter, people want to have a job. Then WanNa, get married, but I felt like all week. America didn't stop pause long enough to say how big of a deal it is. Do you feel like we have accepted the? Of that ruling these two rulings this week, and if not, why so with regard to the LGBTQ ruling, all reliable polling indicates that a sizeable majority of Americans already thought that was the law so most Americans already thought that it was illegal to discriminate against lgbtq employees all across the country, and so I think one of the reasons that it had a somewhat muted reception is that a lot of folks were just surprised that the ruling even had to exist. They were like what's this was legal like two hours ago? What is happening? And I think you know the the marriage equality battle in so many ways was fought in the court of public opinion and these employment cases are not as romantic or life and death as the marriage cases with Dhaka. I mean DACA effects about seven hundred thousand people for those seven hundred thousand people and the communities they live and work in. It's a huge victory, but I suspect if you're a white dude in Idaho, you probably don't know any dreamers, and this probably isn't going to mean a lot to you. Yeah, I will say like. I can't wait to like thirty or forty years from now have like I a niece or nephew? Come to me with their history book from Grade School with like the whole three chapters on twenty twenty. Like. I was there and it felt like a whole decade. all of the things happening all at once all constantly and now we have to figure out once again. Who John Roberts is this is probably one of the most powerful people in government, if not the most powerful John Roberts sits at the head of the entire federal judiciary, and so it's like twenty twenty is crazy, but with John Roberts at the head of the judiciary, it could get crazier. Who knows what's going to happen? I truly no longer know which way he's going to come out on a lot of these cases when I really thought I had the guys number man next season on real housewives. Stay tuned. Thank you so much for this chat I. Really Love It when a smart reported like yourself can make really hard stuff. Sound really easy made it plain for me. Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure. Thanks so much. Thanks again to Marc Joseph Stern, he covers courts and law for sleep. As Mark said that Daca ruling and that LGBTQ or protection ruling they're both really big, but neither is quite permanent. In fact president trump announced this Friday that he tried to dismantle Daca again after that ruling came down. This comes as really no surprise to my next guest. Her name is toby away. She came to the US from Nigeria as a child. She grew up in Maryland and she now lives in Los Angeles where she is a floral designer. Has, Hadaka since two thousand and thirteen. Almost the began, and she says for years now she's just had to make peace with being a doctor recipient and living in limbo, and being used in her opinion. Both parties plan politics, so toby I'm guessing this is we are talking. Thursday morning. There's just been a big supreme court, rule lane. Holding! DACA, your Daca recipient how you feel today I'm definitely woke up to several messages from friends. Family and everyone was super happy. I'm in a great moon. Just grateful for the little wins really little went. How big of a when do you think this is? I? mean is this. For me, seeing the ruling I'm saying Oh. That's a big deal, but for someone who was a recipient of the program. How big of a deal is for you? It's definitely a step in the right direction, but as much as I am excited, I'm not getting overly excited. Because I still know that I'm still upon in a immigration battle, and I'm. It is not going to be a roller coaster ride for me, so I'm just keeping that in mind. I WANNA unpack more. This idea feeling like folks like Dhaka. Recipients are ponds being used by the government. Talk about what you mean with that and talk about how that feels because I imagine on top of just being worried about your status in this country. You have to also think about how people like you are. You know forced to be in the headlines All the time. You know as much as I am grateful for Dhaka and it has brought opportunities. My way feeling like a pond, not feeling at all. It just feels like you didn't really care about. US You. Know because when you make these little wins you fail had okay. Someone's listening some chairs. Then when you get slapped with okay well, there's no path to citizenship. Unless. There's a wall built. You're kind of like okay, so you didn't genuinely do this It just makes me feel like. Are the Democrats doing enough to Make this happen for. Are they in on this? As well. Talk, about trump I'm not necessarily gonNA say that, but you know it. Feels like it sometimes and you know I'm not I'm not. Stupid. You know I know it's. Within me and like I. Mean being ripon feels. It's like a roller coaster. Ride is like you said. We're constantly in the IT's a story about us, but then it's like we're used in a story to get this done, and it's like guys I'm person you know like. This is real life that playing with you not being as hard well, and you know speaking of real life like this must be a very interesting week. To be a black woman who was also Daca recipient, because in the same week we have the Supreme Court ruling on your immigration status. They're also still ongoing protests in conversations about the way. Black men and women are treated in this country by police. Does it feel like I don't know? Is it just emotional overload now? Well I call it a triple whammy. Okay! I you have to deal with just going outside and being a black person. You know so you have a race issue there then I'm a woman on then you get in, says sexism on that, and then on top of that being undocumented. I share all the time that it feels like America. Try So hard! To make me Phil on wantage. Make me feel like I don't matter on. It's a constant message every day. Does a ruling this week. Chroma Supreme Court make you feel a bit less unwanted by America now? To this. I know the Games I know. I know there's a system. So I'm just looking forward to what happens after this like what? What's the moves? As much as I am excited I, just want to see. Real progress. Are you hopeful for real progress? Yes, I'm Tokyo, okay, we have to be hopeful. I mean if you lose hope, then you have nothing you know. We've been hopeful for over four. Hundred Years Right and You know just on that. Love Him, so we doing the same thing we've always done just. Don't dim your light. Thanks again, toby away for joining us. Also, listeners our friends over at NPR's coats, which podcast they have been checking in with one of the plaintiffs in that Daca case for a few years now. They actually met up with her this week after she heard the news about that Supreme Court. You can hear their discussion with her on a brand new episode from coach which right now. All right time for a break when we come back. We talk about what black lives matter looks and feels and sounds like. Across the pond. Be. Support for this podcast comes from the John S. and James. L. Knight Foundation helping. NPR advanced journalistic excellence in the digital age. Protests over injustice are spreading across the country. Mullah pandemic continues to take its toll. The next weeks and months are leading to a consequential election. This November and every day. The NPR politics podcast is here to discuss how it could reshape your world. We're back you're listening to. It's been a minute from NPR. I'm Sam Sanders this episode? We are talking about how in some ways it feels like everything is happening right now. All at once too big supreme court rulings this week expanding the rights of Dhaka recipients lgbtq employees and yet corona virus is still around and protest against police brutality. Those are still happening to. We have talked a lot about those protests on this show, but really only in the American context, but of course is a lot of you know by now. Those protests have been popping up all over the world so I called a friend of the show who lives in the UK and asked her, but it's been like where she lives. Hello there. Can you hear me? Hey, I can. How's IT Goin'? Time that is a voice of Candies Cardi Williams. She is the author of the acclaimed book Queenie so in the Book Queenie the character Queenie. This black British woman. She is figuring out her love life her work live but also she's grappling with the black lives matter movement in that book, and how some of her friends who aren't black or processing that stuff and I have been wondering this week. What you think Queenie would be doing right now insane right now as these protests have become front of mind again. vite well. I've been thinking that Queen is still. Queenie. She's moved on July fourth. values are still silvery fum. And I think that Queenie would be doing everything. She could do that newspaper to get things like front page. You know one thing that we've had to have. Hey, definitely is the new talk about in the context of newspaper because works but. The newspapers have not been very favorable when it comes to the protesters, and also in times of we'll say being global pandemic. There is so much discourse around the fact that if there's a second spike, then it's going to be the full of these black lives matter protesters, but also when the. Queen's coronation. All similar I didn't really keep up with the monarchy. And lots of people were outside their houses, celebrating and doing that Conga lines, and it was like, but you sent BBC reports. Is that so we'll send abrasive. Up with that right, so the language and the positioning around how you know like black lives. The scene is always going to be different, and so I think. Queenie would be trying to make sure that didn't happen and if she would, she's good like that yes. Yes, yes. For me, it's been really interesting especially over the last week. to see how these protests have become global. and I wonder what it's like to experience this as a black person in different parts of the world, I think so much of the black, American experienced is centered on our Americanised. But there this movement is very black, and also very global at this point, and I kinda wonder I don't know like. How does it feel different to see it there? As opposed to here and there's no way no, but I'm guessing your perspective. Is Different there well. I think we've seen some. We've had our riot tape full, but then on defending the rights in America. They all way move violent to the protesters. We don't have take asks. We don't have rubber bullets. We don't have all of those things that used on. American riots. And so. You know I think hey, you know you have your placards and you can March peacefully. Often knocked out. In America, it feels like it site ego. and. You've got to be ready for danger. It's terrifying, but it also feels like you know. I will say is the the American police system for black people. It's always to me like you're gonNA. Be Endanger Anyway. You know whether you're playing with a toy in a park oil in your bed, so. You know yeah. It is so interesting in this moment as he's protest, capture the world's attention to think about how the rest of the world sees us. Some of the scenes that I have seen coming out of major American cities. It just feels. Like Oh, I don I haven't expected to see those kind of scenes in America and I'm not GonNa say it's embarrassing, but. I don't think it's a good look for America right now, but I see I see is a very passionate group of people who. I mean. More about like the response of police you know. You'll police. System is pathetic. It's embarrassing awful. Ours is also horrific, but yours tariff. It's terrifying when I've been over to America which I've been a handful of times now when I see, the police have done nothing wrong I still. Like I still move I just move immediately just even as a black woman knowing that like under site commuting so yeah I think I mean American pretty system icon. You know. What can I say that because I'm a British the? I live in Britain but I still know that when I am when I am there. I feel afraid. Yeah, yeah, it is so interesting to hear. You say that because I think that like. So much of American life for all Americans is assuming that the American way of life is just the way everyone else does it and I think the last few weeks of protests, and seeing how this stuff is played out in other parts of the world and what Y'all are doing and not doing it shows that in many ways America is an outlier on some of these issues, and that's just weird for me to process. Process as someone who is you know I don't know team of Erica all the way like we are in a weird place right now, and it's on. It's on vivid display for the whole world, but I also wonder how growing up in that like what that's done to you as a person with that stunt, psyche I feel as afraid as I felt in America and I can't imagine living in that constant state of. That person I've seen on. The News could be me could be my child. Something I. Think about I think I'd love to America. That's one of my plans. But I WANNA raise children in America because they're going to be black Yeah, one of the things I keep wondering in this moment is how this round of protests became so global so quickly you know they are black. Lives matter protests, happening and most of the continents all over in strange pockets of the globe that you wouldn't expect and when the movement began a few years ago, that really wasn't the case. What do you think about now? That made this wave of protests truly global. So, my theory has been from the beginning that it's because looked means so many of us cannot distract ourselves with real life that we have to let have to sit and look at what's going on and I think the. People have also demanded that people who aren't looking at what's going on look and potential and talk about it and I really truly believe that if life were just going as it was. This wouldn't have happened. I mean it's. Basically evidence right because we have seen this before we have seen. Just. Eric Garner why? You know and what? Happened and what happened to the men who who killed him? You know so. I think this is sad to say but I think it's because. We Have Never Austin look. Yeah Yeah last question about this. Queenie if she were here right now, experience in this moment. What message would she wants to give to the general public? What would her message to the world be right now? Watching this all play out. I think a message to the world would be the looking inside of ourselves. It's really important and. Doing the right thing is important. Because of a sequential is She's Queen of introspection. And so it's about looking inside, and it's about thinking about the world that you want to grow up also what you want to say that you did in this time. Yeah! I like that I like that. All right time for a break when we come back, we play my favorite game. WHO said that? With candies Cardi Williams. Special Edition. Also. Quick favor to ask listeners. Can you help us out here? We are doing a big push for the show this. So if you enjoy it if you like what you're hearing, please rate US and reviews on Apple podcast. Even if you don't like, it's fine to just review US something about Y'all review in the show helps us get discovered by new listeners I. Don't know how that magic works, but it does so a hook us up. Okay, appreciate it all right. Support for NPR comes from Newman's own foundation, working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products to charitable organizations that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org. Gregory Warner with NPR's rough translation. This is happening in America, but it's also hit all across the globe. He is not lost in vain because he saved lives of people in this country. What George Floyd means around the world next time on rough translation. All right now. I'M GONNA. Ask you to play a game with me. some weeks I. Play this game with two panelists sometimes played with one person, but the game called who said that and basically I share three quotes from the week, and you have to guess who said it, and we choose weird wacky strange quotes to lighten the mood and have some fun and have a few laughs about the week so if you'll indulge me, we will play this game together. Okay. All right. There are no buzzers. There are no timers just literally. Yell out the answer if you think you have it. The first is I want a world in which we send you Marmite, and you send us vegemite. WHO said that? Do you. This is it's like a person who said this is a person who said it a leader in your nation talking about possible trade deal this week. Is it. As a Boris Johnson! Yes it is. You haven't seen this video yet now. Do you know what he makes me so angry the? Engage in anything he says. What does I just have to see on twitter? He says and I said Yeah of course. He said that it was it was so interested. Let me tell you what happened. So Boris Johnson now is pushing for a post. Brexit trade deal with Australia and New Zealand, and so he went online to make video promoting a trade deal, and he talks about marmite and Vegemite, and then he holds up a bag of temptation sometimes. How long can the British people be deprived of the opportunity to have? On its Tim. Tam's at a reasonable price. She leaves me right I have ten times in my house because I bought them from a target in La, so we didn't even have access to Tim Thomas. Here say you should try a rubbish. Rubbish that's my ten times I'm bring them over from Los. Angeles in target. This guy water tim towns. Some. Delicious, they're like I said as a key like a chocolate biscuit that is like encased in Kerr. They're like plane, or you can have ones I would employ you to go to your local target and Muslim. All right this next quote is from this slide of the pond. It's about a very big iconic brand that is making some changes given the last weeks of protests. The quote is while work has been done over the years to update the brand in a manner intended to be appropriate and respectful. We realize those changes are not enough they continue. We are starting by removing the image and changing the name. I think this one it's. The Maple Maple is what is it? It's the woman on the Front Maple Syrup, or something like that it served yeah yeah. I will give it to you. It's The lady Aunt Jemima. because. Jamaica. They saw entrepreneurs. Someone is I? This was a bit with. This isn't right. I can't weird. It's amazing to see it happen now. Because for years quaker foods is face pressure over this logo and this name, because the logo in the name of directly linked to like minstrel shows, so the back story is the founders of this brand I hired a former slave to portray aunt, Jemima, and the eighteen ninety three world's fair in Chicago and then after that. The character was played in a radio series by a white actress who had done black face on Broadway. And the whole brand has its roots in nineteenth century minstrel song called Old Aunt Jemima. Michael's now. She's finally leaving. She's finally going away goods by the doe he on your way out. How awful also like do! We need anyone's face on food. Can we just move past that period? Just tell me what the food is I don't. Think I've ever needed a face on food to endorse it to me. Yes all right you. You've gotten two of these. This is the last one is about. This is about something going on. Kind of based in your neck of the woods. Is about a movie that's about to be made about a very very famous person. The quote is. We're very. We're very happy to have her. She's very committed as the filmmaker. When you have someone who can hold such weight, dramatic and narrative. Wait just with her is A. Strong lead who can deliver what you're looking for? Who Am I talking about? You were talking about which idiot costs. Kristen Stewart has Princess Diana? Yes, Kristen Stewart has been tapped to play Princess Diana and its upcoming film about Princess Diana. That quote is from Director Pablo. Lorraine singing the praises of Kristen Stewart. Charlotte's sister. Twilight I had my time with it. s she handled that, but like princess. Diana is my whole attorney. w-we when I was a child I woke up, and I could hear screaming, screaming, howling in my house, and I was like who has died and I was like what's happened and my numbers. I gone, and I was like Oh my God. The first experience of family death and I was like who I'm a number site. Diana. She's gone and you can tell me that Chris is going to pay that and I. Just find it because also. I mean. Just someone unknown because I it's Christian. Prayers for Kristen Stewart. Don't want to be in her. She was right now. No. I wouldn't take it think I just wanted. You know what I mean i. just would be night. I'm right about it, but as I said shout to twilight. I did all of those films every single one? Well whether or not Kristen Stewart loses or wins with this movie role. You have won. This game. Company got all three. Congratulations can very competitive. Hey will thank you so much. For talking about the heavy stuff and the light stuff this week and listeners. Check out her book Queenie right now. It's wherever you get your books. Passing me. Thanks again to Candy Cardi Williams. If you want to hear more about candy, says novel Queenie which I devoured lashed to your and loved. Go check out my interview with candies all about that book and our podcast feet. Now it's time to end the show as we always do every week. Listener share the best thing that happened to them all week. We encourage folks to Brag and Baidu. Let's hear a few of those submissions. Hi, Sam this John in Dallas Texas. The best part in my last eight weeks was working remotely for part of the pandemic from my parents house in Indiana. My mother has terminal cancer and I. Never Thought I'd get the chance to spend this much time with her again. Love you, mom. Hi, I see him. This is Laney from Oakland California and the best thing to happen to me. This week is that we get to celebrate the first birthday of our identical twin girls? Hi, Sam. This is Alana in Minneapolis and the best part of my week was. Volunteering at a church, three blocks from the Minneapolis third police precinct. Everyone all of our neighbors who came by looking for food or toilet paper diapers. We were able to get folks what they needed so. That was the best part of my week. They say. This is Joey from good old San Antonio Texas. The best thing to happened to me this week. Is that I hit my five year cancer free mark. I was twenty when I was diagnosed with brain cancer, and since then I went back to school, graduated with honors and got a good job back here in San Antonio. My motto going through it always be positive so I. Love Listening to this part of your show every week. Hi Sam. This is Jennifer from Scottsdale Arizona and the best thing that happened to me this week. Was a number of things that gave me the inspiration to be able to actually record something and send it to you. I realized this week that. Things are. Really, messed, up. And that it really is okay to not be okay. And it reminded me of the quote or the saying that just when the Caterpillar thought the world was about to end. It became a butterfly. It gave me some much needed. Optimism and hope. So. Thank you Sam for all the issue and thank you for the show. By, thank you, Sam, stay positive by. Thanks to all the listeners you heard there Jennifer Joey Alana Laney, and John Don't forget. You can be in this segment to. Record yourself on your phone, sharing the best part of your week at any point throughout any week and just email that file to me at Sam Sanders at NPR. Dot Org. Sam Sanders at NPR dot. Org. All right this week it's been a minute was produced by a West under lease Sassari, Andrea, Gutierrez, our editor is Dan Hoffman our director of programming Steve. Nelson and NPR's senior VP of programming is on your grubman all right listeners till next time. Thank you for listening. We'll talk soon.

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Another Wrench In The (Voting) Works, Plus Robin Thede On 'A Black Lady Sketch Show'

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Another Wrench In The (Voting) Works, Plus Robin Thede On 'A Black Lady Sketch Show'

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from Disney plus and the new film, the one, and only Ivan a heart warming adventure following Ivan the Silverback Rila. Who discovers his talent for painting and begins a journey to find who he really is now streaming only on Disney plus. Are you unwrapping something. But I put it down. was. Actually I was just a folding, the receipts, a friend of mine just out of the Blue Card but thirty dollars in gift cards to Amazon and I was just feeling with that. So look at you getting stuff in the mail I see. On that in cash. So. I'm calling you up to actually talk about the male betty. Part of what we're going to talk about in this show this episode is just how so many people got so offended when it seems like the US ps was gonna be messed with its strangely enough. The Postal Service is the federal agency with the highest approval rating across the country ninety one percent of Americans that they like or love us. Well, I'm depend on them a lot because I live so far from my family. So it's a lot easier for me to send a package just my running to the post office. So I'm still they're comfortable with the postal service in. Yeah. It's funny to hear you say that you love the since up to your family you really burying the lead here. Betty has been known listeners to mail her signature pound cakes across the country. As a family. You remember what email me one I do I Donna a a hummingbird cake for her birthday in. May. So yeah. Okay. Okay. I mean now but I think about it. You have not mailed me a cake in a few years the work. When you want. This is the word. The, word. It's underway. All right. Well. We're going to get to the show aunt betty thing that you love tell folks. It's time to start the show. All right. I'm sorry. Hard. Here we go. All right. Let's try this out. Wonderful Hey. AL. FROM NPR I'm Sam Sanders. It's been a minute. You just heard from my aunt betty sweetest human alive and she was setting up the theme for today's show which we are calling. You've got mail. Or do you. This week, we're talking about the whole debacle with the US Postal Service they say that neither snow or rain or heat, nor gloom of night to stop the mail but could this year's election in the midst of a pandemic make the male particularly voting by mail a lot more difficult Lately we have seen a true political fight brewing over the USPS and its involvement in this year's election mainly concerns about the ability for every American voter to. Actually get to vote especially if they do if I mail and these big questions facing now whether voting is fair for all and secure for all, they've been with us for a long time. There has been a history of voter suppression in this country, and as we'll discuss later in the show, the right to vote for president, it's actually never been guaranteed by the constitution. More on what that means in a bit but first back to the future or present this Friday Edison hearing in the midst of all this US PS drama Postmaster General Louis Joy assured both the committee and the public that everything in fact is fine and that America's election Mayo would be delivered securely and on time is sacred duty is my number one priority between now and election day of course, a lot of people still have questions about how everything's GonNa work come November and dear listener I have those same questions as well. So for answers. I called up an old friend of the show miles. Hello. How are you? Hi, Sam good to talk to you. Did you expect that when you took the voting security job at NPR that it would be like the hottest story of twenty twenty I definitely had done not nearly enough research on like the business. Plan of the Post Office that was not the thing that I had been researching when I that is NPR reporter miles parks he covers voting and elections, and we called miles up to ask him about how worried we actually should be. There are questions about how corona virus might affect people's to vote. There are questions about how the nation might deal with an influx in an outsized growth in the number of absentee, your mail in ballots. Right now from where you stand. As someone who covers this stuff for living? How much of a mess is November going to be To, become honest I actually feel like I have more confidence in the system in a lot of normal voters do honestly because I think the Nice thing that you have to remember is all of these controversies that we've been talking about. Those are federal controversies. This is president trump's language. You've got the joy going to Congress all of this stuff but. Elections are run at the local level SAM. So true anymore administrators just working to get ballots out there and ballots returned as opposed to all this kind of political rhetoric which to me makes me feel a lot more confident in my vote and I think I think the biggest thing honestly if you're worried about it is all the stuff be a really. Well with that I, want just ask you some like. November twenty, twenty vote by mail. FAQ's. One. Oh. One like. Basic questions to help our listeners out. Is that cool. Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. O K For the average American voting absentee or by mail? How short should they be really when they mail those ballots off? Well so what's interesting about this is most of the time when people are mailing back their ballot and there's an issue, it's actually not the government's fault and a lot of these cases. We had one percent of mail ballots in two, thousand, sixteen rejected. But those were for reasons like messing up your signature, not signing the envelope turning. On Time on. Fourth of rejected ballots were because people even messed up their signature or forgot to sign it and to be fair to voters sometimes it is a little tough and that would be one tip for me is the signature is on a different. You know it's on the outside envelope it's not actually on the ballot. So a lot of voters sometimes may just miss where they have to sign it. Yeah. If the ballot gets to where it's going after election day it's still counts right? Depends on the state. So in some states, you just have to have it postmarked by Election Day, but you can have a few some some states you have up to three days after the election. Some states are a week after the election, but that is not the case ever where there are a lot of states out there that you do need to have that ballot in the hands. Of the election official by Election Day for it to count. Again, going back to the initial point Sam Turnabout in early turn in two or three weeks early and you don't have to run into that problem. You sound like every English teacher I hadn't highs I'm sorry. It was like the final paper is due the last day of the semester but feel free to turn it in early. You're the predetermined early you're talking like. The procrastinator chief here. So it's not as hard as schoolwork. Let me just put it that way. Let's say you are trying to do a mail in vote, but you send it in close to the deadline and you're worried it might not get there in time or you think you might have messed up. You can also go vote in person day off you can't do both. It depends on the jurisdiction. If if you it's a lot easier if you have not sending your mail boat, which I think is most of the case is our maybe it's like Five days before the election and somebody has their mail ballot. But there are a little worried about getting there on time and so they're thinking well, maybe I should just go vote in person to make sure this actually counts most places. That is okay. A lot of places you have to bring your absentee ballot to the polling place and show them turn it back in or sometimes they'll just tell you to vote the absentee ballot right there and then they'll. Take it from you or in some cases, they'll make you vote up what's called a provisional ballot, which is basically you fill out this ballot and your election official in the back end will just go and check. They're like Oh. We know this person request an absentee ballot. Let me check and make sure they didn't turn that in as well. They check and then once they realize it, you didn't turn in your absentee ballot then your day of election ballot. Will Count Gotcha. So what does that make the election day and night look like I'm guessing that could mean it would take longer to count all these votes. Yeah and and part of that. If there was infinite money and resources every county which is almost gonNa, go buy a bunch of high speed scanners and it would be beautiful. But even then there's actually a lot of cases where election laws haven't caught up. So there's like states where they can't even start. The absentee ballots until after election day, you think about how long that takes, and then it also takes a while this. Flashback, for me I'm again, well trigger. Difference is this is good stuff like a lot of the stuff that's taking time in this case like safeguards against the fraud that people are worried about. So it's net positive, but it does mean that voters have got to expect that we might not know the result, the presidential election and a lot of other you know more state level elections until maybe days potentially a week later you know I wrote a story this summer that was called like goodbye election-night Hello Election Week. So I think that's No you know I know. But if voters expected, it's not as big problem because I won't be such a collective freak out. Wow. Well on that note miles. I want you to go back until the election officials you're working with and talking to your beat tell them Sam. Sanders. Wants American elections to be as easy as voting for American idol. It should not be easier to vote for Justin Guarini then for the president of the United States you got. A year ago we were talking about our two years ago we were talking about Russians hacking potentially hacking election. So I don't think you want it as easy as voting American idol for a lot of other reasons. Justin, Guarini was robbed also. Listeners. On that, I don't even know who that is. Next time you come on the show, we'll have a big debris. Oh. My God. Yes. He's on spotify and he's in a movie with Kelly Clarkson call from Justin to Kelly. It's a classic camp feature of God. That sounds horrible. Thanks again to NPR reporter miles, parks he covers voting and elections. So speaking voting. There was an important milestone this week, the one hundred year anniversary of the passage of the nineteenth amendment to the US, Constitution that amendment prohibits states and the federal government from denying the right to vote based on sex. Basically, it gave women the right to vote but not all women especially, not black women and this is really the story of voting here in America it's rarely ever been for everyone. So thinking about that fight for women's suffrage thinking about where we are today with voting I called up Martha S Jones. She is illegal in cultural historian and she has a book coming out next month called vanguard how black women broke barriers won the vote and insisted on equality for all. And the thing I wanted to ask her about one of the things I've been questioning recently is the basic nuts and bolts of how we vote. When I think about you have to register this far in advance and you gotTa make sure you're in your right precinct and your signature must match your name and if you WanNa, vote the day of you can't take that time off of work and you gotTa have an ID. I used to think those were just like parts of the way you had to do it but now I'm saying, well are some of those things that we thought were just the fundamentals of voting. Are they actually the secret obstacles meant to keep a lot of us from doing it? Absolutely I mean I think what you're pointing to right is A. Deep ambivalence in the American tradition about what it means to cede power to every day Americans by virtue of their capacity to cast a vote The nation is founded out of a culture that is deeply conflicted about whether that's the sort of democracy we want to become Voter suppression certainly since the civil war has rarely announced itself as such. Rarely has proclaimed itself to be targeting black Americans or to be targeting women. After the nineteenth amendment voter suppression has always come dressed up as procedure as process is neutral. My husband happens to not be American, and he's flabbergasted. To learn that how you vote if you can vote. Holy depends in this country in part on where you live. And it could change. In season to season, he's rapper casted by this approach to democracy and seeing it from his perspective I am to. It has the effect cumulatively and oftentimes deliberately of keeping people from ever casting their ballots at all A thing that I discovered in getting ready for this interview with you, I think I've ever really thought about is that the right to vote is not actually guaranteed to all Americans. The Supreme Court case Bush v Gore found that no individual citizen has a federal constitutional right to vote for elections for the president and the right to vote isn't really clearly enshrined in the constitution. How what are voting look different if it were. I'm somebody who has. Advocated for constitutional amendment that would indeed use the word guarantee. Every citizen of the United States guaranteed the right to vote what would that look like well, that would mean, for example, Sam that We wouldn't be in this dust up about voting by mail. that the state would be obliged have an affirmative obligation to make sure that one way or another every one of gotta ballot and that we also got to cast a ballot right now, the burden is on the citizen right to. Overcome hurdles right to learn new systems to maneuver and hopefully get to the polls and cast a ballot What if the burden was on the state? Yeah, it is I find. A specific. Irony and talking about voting on my show this week in the week that we mark the one hundredth anniversary of women gaining the right to vote. But you know you peel back the top layer of that story and you realize it was just for white women. So you know we celebrate this milestone while forgetting in many ways at it wasn't for everybody you know I guess if there is a lesson for that anniversary for Americans as we go to vote this November, what is that lesson? Nine Thousand Nine Hundred Twenty August of Nineteen Twenty for me marks the start of a new voting rights movement one led by Black Americans including black women and it is a long and dangerous and never promised struggle that takes black Americans to nineteen sixty, five, the modern civil rights era and the adoption of the Voting Rights Act. The lesson of that story right is that we have to take our political futures in our own hands that this is not a nation that meets out political power easily or Benevolently at all, you know there's a oftentimes invoked word or term, which is persistence When talking about the road to the nineteen, th amendment for me, the most persistent women, the women I write about in vanguard they are the persistent ones because even in the face of being rebuffed in nineteen twenty they continue the quest for voting rights. Thanks again to Martha S Jones, her book vanguard it comes out in September. Listeners stay with us after the break I talk with Robin th-they she is the Creator and star of HBO's a Black Lady Sketch show a show that's up for three emmys this year we are be. 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We're only months away from election day and every week or even every few hours. There's a new twist that could affect who will win the white. House. To keep up with the latest tune into the NPR politics podcast every day to find out what happened and what it means for the election. We are back you're listening to it's been a minute from NPR Sam Sanders? My next guest this year she is up for not one not two but three emmy awards. Yeah. Won for best variety sketch series. For Director, Davis for variety sketch directing an for Angela Bassett ever heard of her. Have Starving Robin. Comedian and actress and Creator and star of a black lady sketch show that is a show that's for all those emmys were talking about and those sketches in that show a black lady sketch show they are sketches only black women could pull off like this one where Angela Bassett leads the support group for other black women who were growing tired of their intricate time consuming beauty regiments every morning I wake up one hour early to my fifty highlighter before my man wakes up. I'm exhausted but I let my beer face is a partner who doesn't appreciate the cheek work deserving of the cheap twerk nevertheless. A black lady sketch show maybe putting Robin on the map but she has been in the business way before the show she was the head writer for the nightly show with Larry Wilmore and she also hosted her own late night talk show the rundown with Robin Fiji that was on Bet till two thousand, Eighteen Robin told me that experience made it easier for her to pitcher latest show? It wasn't hard to convince Hbo Because They believed me and they believed in my partnership with each array who also executive producers alongside me and when I talk to them. I, talked to amy grab it that have comedy at HBO and I said Look I wanNA make a narrative sketch series where black women can live grounded experiences in a magical reality. Here are the people I want to be on the show. Here's what I'm going to do here. The themes I'm going to explore. Here's how we're going to tell the stories. Here's what It's GonNa look like and she was just on board from day one she I mean, she said to me I can't believe this hasn't been done before really, and so I think it was a combination the reason why it wasn't hard to convince HBO was because I come with a certain pedigree in the sketch world this is my seventh sketch show in addition to you know have proven myself as show creator show runner and comedian, and at the end of the day it was you know the supported at fully from day one and gave us all the tools we needed to make the show as great as it is. Yeah. It also feels like they didn't get in the way editorial vision every part of the show that I I was like Oh. That's a stink like that's exactly what they wanted to do. That's exactly. Yeah. Black ladies wanted to correct. That's true well, and the black ladies are doing all the editing, right? So Yes. So we had black creatives at every level from the studio to the PA's which I think is such a testament to what happens when you get black creatives the real. Autonomy empowered to do what they WanNa do, and that's why HBO has insecure. I may destroy you watchmen a black lady Scott show to dope Queens. It's why there are so many black women on HBO flourishing because they believe in look I've definitely worked with other black people at other networks. Hello I had a show on bt Jeff I'm really proud of the work I did on the rundown I was very much supported creatively a bt and it was just that we had hit a ratings mark we couldn't hit. There's no love. Lost there. But. Then at HBO, you have that support of the marketing engine as well and the prestige of HBO and I think that for us is I know a lot of what I'm saying is inside baseball but at the end of the day like, yeah I think we were just able to use all of those resources to the fullest. And it worked. Are you. Have you been surprised by just the outpouring of love for the show since it's come out, you know it's up for three emmys it's been renewed for season two. some of these. You know parts of the show have just really gone viral online like there was a good two or three weeks where I was seeing the. Like the Bob Drag Queen One with very sad. On the ninth. Author. Marassi. Whether your father exhausted from the House of. What are the internal children of the house? Love forever. Twenty one the basic ball that was like one of the biggest parts of my internet few months ago Garden surprised by how well this thing has been doing now it's a great show. Good. Yes. Yes. I. I. Love It. Like. Surprised maybe but. Not. Unexpected I mean, that's what you plan for. That's what you hope for an anybody who's like, Oh, my God I'm just so surprised that nobody was going to watch it. It's like well, why are you making a TV show like I made this? For Black. Women, but also for the world to see what we can do I want more is on it two million viewers a week enough. I. Want Ten. You know like last best is how I am like I want everyone to enjoy this because I think there's so much joy in this show and there's so much anti stereotype in this show that I think it's really crucial that people watch to broaden what they think. Black women can do even other black women you know may have set their own kind of boundaries on what they can do, and I hope their show breaks those and show them that they can really do anything. What can we expect to end season two? You know one of the big plotlines season one was this group of black women friends who were like. As the rest of the world kind of like ended like they were surviving the apocalypse in this funny kind of way quarantining in a house and eating all their snacks sound familiar. Exactly. It does it makes me wonder like. Will that storyline continue in season to where we see and feel HEWS of the pandemic in the midst of season two like how does he hughes of that and Season One down. I literally thought we'll trump's going to kill us. So we might as well have the interstitial narrative storyline with four black women surviving the end of the world we have to look out for each other we have to have each other's backs we were right. The season one, there's a ring, the doorbell. And the women all turn around and we end on a cliffhanger who's at the door so you will find out more. About okay. Who if anyone is out the door, but I'm excited to do provide more information. To the viewer. To read. In the meantime while folks wait for season two of your show. What funny stuff are you watching right now that you could recommend to folks ninety day fiance every iteration. Every It's OK well, great. I mean, honestly, if you really just want to mindlessly watch something, you should start at the beginning of all seasons. I mean that will give you three months worth of watching right there. But happily ever after and before the ninety days and ninety day the other way because there's like seven iterations. Ours, spinoffs of the regular ninety day fiance that I highly recommend. It is comedy. Don't let anyone tell you it's a reality show it is an add scripted comedy and I love it so much. So yeah. That's what I've been watching but okay. Yeah. Robin. We'll take a break right now. But when we come back, can we play a game together? It's called who said that sure okay we'll be right back. This message comes from NPR sponsor ancestry. Every family has a story bring yours to life with ancestry ancestry. DNA test can tell you where your ancestors are from and ancestries, billions of records and millions of family trees. Let you discover their unique stories. What will you discover? 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It's been a minute from NPR. I'm Sam Sanders here with Robin she is the three time Emmy Award nominee. For her show on HBO Blackley Sketch Show. CONGRATS. Thank you. Yes. Somebody wrote multiple emmys nominee which I thought sounded clunky and then I was like, Oh, I, guess you have to do it that way that's pretty wild. Multiple multiple I'll take credit for all of them. I don't care. Do It do it I want you to win those three Emmys and I also want you to win this game that we're about to play. It is called who said that? The game was pretty simple I. share three quotes from the week of news and you gotta guess who said it great. Okay. Let's get to it. The first is Can People volunteer at post office. No I'm kidding could I volunteer at my post office is going to help me with post office. Okay. Call to post offices in Malibu. I said Hi this is blank I would like to know if you ever take volunteers lady said she didn't know and gave me number of supervisor I called and Said Hi My God I'm assuming a celebrity that lives out. which could be or near it Calabasas is near it was at a Kardashian. Late diva and singer with long hair. Mariah Carey. Now with long hair share. All right. Got It. Literally pulled a reverse care in this week I asked to speak to the supervisor of the, post? Office. I. Volunteer. I love how angry she always wants to speak to someone's manager, but it seems like for the right reasons. Yeah. I like share Sharon Bette Midler crack me up just to body like older ladies who don't give a crap about their. And they just still do things you know just like A. Reverse. Karen. That's very funny phrase. All. Right. You got that one next quote. Tell me what company said this. Quote, the purpose of the test is to make it easier for members to find something to watch. This was a company announcing this week that they're gonNA to start a shuffle play. Button on their homepage. To make even more own Netflix. it's getting bad they. So now they're going to have a button you can hit on the home screen to just let Netflix show you anything based on what you've watched before just to keep you watching I. Guess even longer I mean me to be convinced how much do you think you watch a week? Oh God well between all the streaming services because now I've been obsessed with Disney plus an HBO Max. So. Between that Hulu Netflix six I'm probably doing twenty or thirty hours a week between the four. Oh, at least because I have insomnia. So I'll watch four hours a night while I'm white away in I'm talking about full-time hours probably. Club job watching this show. All right last quote this is from a famous musician. The quote is everybody on the shoot had to get tested for corona virus. We had a tiger and leopard there, but we didn't film with them in there because of safety and because of the pandemic, we spice those scenes together who said that It was either Cardi B. or Megan the stallion about the what music. The music video that will not die. It has been a headline every day since its release. I just love to think of Cardi B. Taking pandemic precautions for the tiger and Leopard of course. The sweetest Cardi. B. Had a really good conversation with Joe Biden recently that was fascinating Cardi B. has my vote. Absolutely see older Cardi B. Running for office. Oh. Yeah. And I also love that she's doing all of these things without even at all compromising who she is lake in the midst of that Joe Biden interview she was wearing like a ninety s Lil Kim throwback, red wig this and I love Dang and Holler out over the her lapel I was like, oh, she doesn't pursuit but that's okay. Now, I'm imagining Cardi B. Making an appearance in black lady sketch show season two. That's a really fun thing to imagine. One day. The game is complete. I'm so excited I truly my friends the won the game and I just couldn't go down in shame to her you know I couldn't do it. So thank you for these bragging rights. Thanks again to Robin Fiji her show a black lady sketch show. It is for three emmys this year. Now it's time to end the show as we always do. Every week listeners share the best thing that happened to them all week we encourage folks to Brag, and they do. Let's hear a few of those submissions. Hey Sam. This arvind and this is May and we're calling in from maiden rock Wisconsin and this week we told all of our friends and family that we are going to get married and we're really really excited. Hey Sam this is Kelly. The best thing that happened to me this week every connected with acquaintance from the past and are sparks. If anything will come. Simply happy to feel excited about a person who's excited to see me. Hi, Sam. Debbie. 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Danielle vs. Margaret vs. Jennifer vs. Melissa (with Tanya Sam)

Bravo TV's Daily Dish

1:05:51 hr | 1 year ago

Danielle vs. Margaret vs. Jennifer vs. Melissa (with Tanya Sam)

"Hi, it's Megan, Sarah. And Eric j MAC, and this is the daily dish Bravo's official podcast. So we have a lot to go through today. Yeah. We we need to talk about real housewives of New Jersey because while Vander pump rules, and then later, we're going to talk to John Thrasher who is co host of Martinez and murder podcast. Also, our friend also a front, and he's a huge fan of real housewives of Atlanta. So he's here to help us break down that Tokyo bus ride. Oh, love a good bus ride. Plus we actually have a sneak peek at the below deck reunion. And we have an interview with real housewives of Atlanta's Tanna Sam. Yes. And as always will end things with our rose and thorn, but first you wanted to talk about something we have an emergency word on the street segment because Andy Cohen celebrated his baby shower this past weekend. And it was epic. It was insane. I mean, so many people I saw and social media being like this is my Super Bowl, you know, people were so thrilled. I don't think even we knew the caliber that it was going to be you know, like we knew it was. Happening. Kyle Richards was hosting right? Yeah. Some of the oggi's throwing it. So like great. Wonderful sounds cute and intimate. No way. It was a huge party. It was insanity. And you know what? So funny, crystal, our friend and co worker brought up a really good point, which she was said that it was giving her anxiety because you know, the president and the vice president should really never be in the same room. God forbid something happened. She was like what if something happened at all of our favorite. Bravo loves are in one room together. So true. I mean, it really was like an all star cast. I mean, all of the Gs were there Vicky need Theresa Ramona. I mean, Kyle like you had mentioned and then a lot of some of the newcomers. Eva was there from real housewives of Atlanta. We saw the Dallas ladies, I mean, it's true. Like that is the one room that you want to be in. But you also want that room to be safe. Right. I think also we were kind of trying to figure out Who Wasn't There. Right. There was a lot of investigative work going on on Twitter on. Instagram being like who's missing? And a lot of people were missing, you know, some of the kind of major players Lisa Vander pump. But she was opening her restaurant in Vegas. She's out there. Working Bethany couldn't make luanne as well. But you know, I mean everyone was sending their love from a distance. Yes. We also had some cameos from we know Andy's friends with John Mayer. We saw Jerry O'Connell and his wife Rebecca romaine there and Jenny Pula Johnny polo. She did a death drop in one video. And I wish I had seen it from a different angle because I couldn't see the whole thing. But there was a death job. So like, we said it was a huge party. I'm sure you guys have all seen everything on Instagram already. But my favorite part was Lisa Renna on the tables and Kyle Richards to be fair. Yeah. But I feel like Lisa Renna is who you want emceeing all your major life events going forward. Absolutely. I mean, I can like she's got her line on QVC. So I understand how she's already good sales person. Because she was there screaming for everyone kit on the tables, you better dance. Andy cohen. Pays your bills? You better. Celebrate him. One of those dance for. Dance. You good. I mean, if Lisa rented told me to do that. I would do that one hundred percent. I would do that regardless. I love win. Kyle who's wearing this beautiful white suit shows what it looks like at the end of the night. And it was just like covered in red wine stains. It was it looked like someone had thrown red wine on her which at a house wives event. Could very well. Be the case, but was not she just was having a party. Celebrating wind got everywhere she had like chocolate smeared on like one part of her coat too. What are? And it was gonna go out like this. My husband was like you are not going anywhere. Looking like this. Can't wear white to a party like that. I'm just so mad. I wasn't there to witness it. I know absolately. I mean, we also got a little bit of cynthia's working. Oh, no. It's kind of been a topic of conversation this season on Atlanta. She might not be the best at it. But you know, who's great at it. Ashley from real housewives of Potomac. I was afraid you were going to say Vicky being no we saw that too. And that wasn't so good Ashleigh dancing at one part. Like, oh my goodness. Like what good for her and not only that but Kyle ditherer classic splint. But did she do the ponytail helicopter? I don't think we've got a helicopter or we should have gotten a helicopter. She loves a ponytail helicopter. She loves the split. So the below decks season has ended sadly, but the reunion is coming which is basically just what I wait for all season. Anyway, and we got some messages from the my Sienna crew zero. Megan daily dish podcasts as capitalise speaking. This is Ross you bison laughing below deck. Vialli one word to describe the season would be drama one word to describe. This reunion is epic. When words never enough this crews, probably the most competent crew that we've had and. I really like all of them to to destroy this reunion. You probably my. I had a ball with all of them and the ones that made it through to the end are the ones that should have made it through. Thank you so much for all season long. And thank you so much for your school. I appreciate you guys need to check yourself. Thanks for watching. We'll see you a makeup lors. Ain't check yourself. I've so glad she did that I was afraid she'd be like now. I'm sorry. I'm not gonna say well, y'all can check yourselves on Tuesday at nine eight central because that's when the reunion starts. Okay. I really wanna talk about the real housewives of New Jersey. I mean while while while allow are so where do we begin? Do we go right to the end of the episode the confrontation, I would like to. Let's go right for it. What happens, you know? I really just think Margaret can't take anymore from Danielle. Yeah. I mean that it is uncomfortable. I mean, like females can be very vicious in that way. Where it's just like I can't just let us not be friends. I have to ruin your life. Right. Well, and then kind of broke that like housewives golden rule is like don't talk about the kids. And that's what set Margaret off. I mean, she would not have been probably throwing wine at her. If it hadn't been for Daniel really going like hard on her Melissa frequent told her do not do it. And she still did it here. I just thought I was getting a nice necklace in his turn into this huge. Big thing. The cocktail only enables me, courage height. Height? But I really. Stupid. I mean, little what Harvard so. You're not even seeing I don't think she's an evil person. I think why she talking so much about me. She was just in my wedding talking about each other. You guys are really she hurt me so badly all ever did was we act towards her. There's a reason per step kids don't speak to her. My children are always with me. Why aren't I I can tell you why she's a malicious listen, we don't talk about kids. We're not talking about kids. That's allowed. There was about children were opening up another candidate. No key, opened it Costa. I'm just saying missing it. Beware. Just beware. Me off. I never did anything to hurt. You Melissa shut the because I'll start believing what everybody tells me about her little bitch. All my God. She still did it. I mean, it sort of was like something was going to happen. Whether it was Margaret reacting or whatever I mean, Jennifer was like throwing back the tequila once again, and she was starting to get a little fired up. So whether I didn't know who was going to blow I know but see she was fine with Margaret at that dinner. She was over it until Theresa brought it up again being like, we'll use you know, Theresa we kind of talked about this a couple of weeks ago, this sort of strange alliance that Danielle in Theresa have now given their history and Theresa's really just not seeing it from Margaret's perspective at also what is it not only that Theresa season Danielle and wants to be friends with her. But what does it she has against Margaret, right? I don't understand though. I mean, let's rewind a little bit because at that lunch when Margo? Brought out the you're saying to Jennifer your husband's hasn't mistress. You know what? Margaret, you're using environment of sheeting. All right. Your mother someone for fifteen years. I get it. But things should be kept secret. You're right. You're absolutely right. And you know, what that's why your husband sleeps in the pool. Doesn't sleep in full house tiny, I'm secure in my marriage. So it doesn't bother me where the peace leads whether it's an his girlfriend better not. You better a word on the street that Pinner what did you think? I mean, first of all, yes, totally crossing the line. I couldn't believe Jennifer's reaction. I know. Well, that's the thing in like a few minutes. Margaret was like, I'm sorry. I said that to hurt you. I shouldn't have done it. But it's kind of like I have that theory of like, you don't overreact to something like that unless perhaps it triggers, something and you because maybe that's an insecurity. That Jennifer has you know, like, I think she is very traditional her marriage is buried traditional. I think maybe she's talked in the past about her husband working a lot. And maybe it's something that she's always just kind of bene- frayed of and it just hit her the wrong way. Right. But some Melissa's reaction at the end of the episode. I mean, I can't believe we got the to be continued because I was like, yes, Melissa go, Melissa. And then it's like boom to be continued. I was like no I need to see it picked the wrong. Fine. I mean, I feel like Melissa also at the end of rope. Because when they were shopping earlier in the day, and like Theresa and Jennifer and heard they were kind of getting into it or no, it was it was Theresa ten yell, and Melissa, and they were just not seeing eye to eye, and I think Melissa's, you know, always had some kind of tension with Theresa. Then you get this situation now with Danielle and Danielle's kind of just like making things up in a sense, you know, or just kind of turning everyone against Margaret. Yeah. And I think Melissa also hit her breaking point two. Okay. Also just random. No, why why camels in Mexico? I was confused by that too. It's hot right. And it doesn't seem like a very pleasant experience for anyone camels. I don't know that was confusing to me too. It seems like they could have just taken a nice stroll without the camels probably would have been just as enjoyable if not more. You know, what else I wanted to bring up to? And I think this was something we none of us knew before is Dolores talking about her eating disorder at was very surprising somewhere in my mid twenties. I had a pretty bad eating disorder Jaggi. Jackie I had an eating disorder. And I didn't know it. I didn't realize I was I'm gonna show you a picture. You're not gonna believe that. Wow. Wow. Nothing like Dolores, right? I had gotten thin and I wanted to get thinner and I wanted to get in her. And I want the nice it happens at some point. It got out of hand. And I didn't see it my mom just started crying one day. I can't stand to see my mom per that was a wakeup call that I need to. I mean Jackie was kind of open about it very early in the season. She wanted to talk about it and share it with the girls early on and kind of get that message out there. So it's interesting that Dolores didn't really chime in back, then and is kind of waited until you know, at this point in the season to kind of talk about it. So maybe Jackie speaking out about it kind of helped her along the way, right? And we saw the picture too. And it was really devastating. I mean, it's like I feel terrible for her. But it seems like she's really come out the other side like Jackie a much healthier and happier person. Right. Well, speaking of Dolores to I wanted to talk to you about when she kind of brings up to Theresa like what? When Joe gets out like, do you think he's going to be different? Or do you think he's going to be up to his same old when he comes home? Then we'll see how it because a leopard doesn't always change his thoughts. He might be little soft spoken in humbled. Now. Just let him get a little comfortable at home Theresa. So wait. What are you you? He's getting back to his old ways. He's gonna try. I think Joe Theresa for granted a lot of times he expects everything to be done. She takes care of the kids. She's got to go. Nip it in the bud Theresa when he starts he will still want the old Theresa but home once a woman gets to the point where she's at she's not going back. Oh, no. I really appreciate a Delors his honesty and that moment because I truly think that you kind of shouldn't talk about your friends husband boyfriend, whatever because it just never goes the right way. But Dolores feels confident enough in their relationship to be like I saw the way he treated you. And you did everything for that family. Right. If that had been Jackie bringing it up. I don't think it would have God quite as well. But we kind of here Theresa talk pretty openly, and candidly about you know, how she does believe that Joe has changed that, you know, she's kind of it's the first time we really heard her talking about their post prison life. I mean, it it's interesting to hear, and I feel like it kind of almost became more real for me to you know, like, I think she's kind of been so focused on herself and her fitness and like that's a lot of the storyline. We've seen this season. And now it's kind of starting to become more real like. Oh, yeah. Like there is a light at the end of the tunnel. But what's on the other side? Right. So Teresa seems to be pretty confident that Joe has changed just based on what she's seen from him. Imprison? Do you think he's gonna come out of different guy? I don't I don't know. Right. 'cause like I I've never been through such a life changing experience. But I think the thing that stuck out to me even more than that was Teresa Saint. She's not sure how she's gonna be having him. Like kind of as her husband again because to live alone for how many how much time and then to have to go back to life as a couple and making those little compromises every single day. Right. I think that's a good point to and the only thing we can really speak to is the changes that we've seen in Theresa. And I think her time imprisoned changed her. And then like you're saying this life that she's had without him has also changed her. So how is that gonna look when they try to rebuild their family? It could go really either way. All right. So we need to talk about Vander pump rules. Yes. And eric. I'm so glad you're here to talk about it with me because you lived in LA. So you can answer my burning question is it really that annoying to go to marina Delray. What I will say is. No. But it is inconvenient. And I think everyone is a little bit overreacting, and it sort of like the the same as like when you're here, and you live in the city, and you're like, I can't go to Brooklyn. And you know, like it so far like you can do it. Right. But I've never packed snacks to go to Brooklyn. That was going to be my argument is like it's not far enough that you need Rhode snacks. Like, especially if you're going to a party that will likely be serving you some food like it's not that far. And they were saying even when they I think it was like, Tom and Arianna in the car or something and they were like, oh my God. It says thirty minutes, and it's like, okay. That's that's not that bad. Right. And you know, the line and clueless everywhere in LA takes twenty minutes. Yes. And it's very true. It's just that. There's always traffic there were just no cars in your way. It could take you really twenty minutes to get from West Hollywood to marina del Rey. But it's not bad at all not that. But with traffic it's going to be a little bit longer. And you know, people in LA like they don't wanna go more than twenty minutes, anywhere, so annoying. But she does have a really great apartment. She does. And I mean, she's looks at the boats every day, isn't that lovely indoor outdoor living space. And and she was serving Capri Suns at her party. I was like really I got a kick out of that love caprice. I know like made me want one which I mean, if you guys don't remember is it's something that like fans really teased her about because she and shea like had this home-cooked meal one day, and they're both sipping caprice on. I mean, it's stalled check. So once you get to Shane his house. Everyone makes it to marina del Rey. There's a Throwdown between LA LA and Billy. Did you come in here to talk to me or? Yeah. It's a girls night at my work. And I was like extremely upset office my whole life. I was not included in girl things into to find out. My job is having something and a girls night. Just. The sugar for me. There were a lot of people that were not included in that fire. This is so trivial the fact that you put it out there that people are transphobic when highs never said the word transport. Okay. Don't don't beat around the Bush with me. I'm not hold on just started. I'd never squash. It you basically that we will have stuff with the first comment. I saw when you guys posted it. Why is Billy not involved is she not a real girl that hurt me. We didn't say that. I didn't say transphobia hauling it how it is. You're being from a city. Translate that for me, your you're dismiss you're not a better than me LA. You've got that. You're not better than everyone. Just because you have rich point friends. Your pathetic imprint duck, call me pathetic that it can affect that. You just took that to my man Bill you're in low down you were not excluded on purpose. That was so dumb of Uday. Do you put it on social media? And now, it's Alan media. Every time with those many Jesus day, you're being psychopath. Yeah. We knew they weren't getting along. And we knew the whole you're not better than me Lola. So where in that fight? Do you stand again? It's kind of what I said from the beginning. It's it's like, the neither are really I actually think Billy was hearing. What law said, but Lalla wasn't hearing. What Billy was saying. Right. I think are said it pretty perfectly when she was like, you know, they're not no one's leading Billy express herself validating her field. Things. Like, I hear what you're saying. I understand where you're coming from. But like, here's what I think, you know, like, it's it's not really being a conversation. It's kind of everyone's just like yelling at each other and not listening. I was just taking one of those Myer Briggs personality does and the question was to reform issue. No, you care more about being right than making sure. Everyone's leaving feeling. Okay. And you were like true all the way up. But like it is a good point. Like, do you care? More about your you being right or do you care more about someone not feeling shitty? At the end of the conversation. I think I'm right in the middle of that sort of thing, you know, I want people to get along. And I don't want people to walk away. You always say like you shouldn't walk away. Mad? Don't go to sleep mad, whatever it may be. But I I'm a Taurus. And I'm stubborn I do like being right, right? That's my house wives tagline. I hate to say, I told you so, but I do love being right? That's right, you so we have to talk about this REO, Anna and law law situation so law when she was in the office for an interview, I asked about it because I had heard that this episode was coming down the pipeline. And just how you see her with Jackson Brittany where she is. So like she had a poker face. And I really didn't know what really happened or didn't. So that was very funny to me to see how she did it how she reacted with them and also anything. Godless, a really good friend. Tom symbols told us took furred ride you and Arianna. Yeah. Stuff happens. Like what you are Yana hooked up in the backseat and car, and he was in there on a hooked up in the MAC. Yeah. The you ask for another cover the back seat and do stuff. I know. I did not. Have sex with Oriana in the back talking about did this happen with Arianna myself. Yes, am I about to blow Arianna spot up with Jackson Britney right now? Hell, no. I was going to say, well, those are really good actor. I really was just like no I believed for a second to push even said to Arianna. If you had told me not to tell anyone I would've gone to migrate with that secret. Like sweet, I mean. Yeah. It's definitely like I personally am glad that that information is out there because they're two beautiful ladies, and I love sexual expression of all kinds, but Sandoval was pretty out of line the way he feel that information to the guys it was like they're all sitting around drinking and smoking cigars, and I was just like, oh really you've been relationship with a girl before. Okay. Tom told toll thing that is not your business to tell without running it by the people who really involved it was slightly annoyed that night because I was fine. Tell me your annoyed. He seems like such a good boyfriend. And so support. Tive? So it did make me upset that he had that misstep in by the way. Just so ruled my eyes when he was like you as Rabin annoying that night, you were both drunk can live, right. Just enjoy that car ride. Okay. Yeah. He should have just been like, okay. I was surprised though. Ari on his reaction. Like, I was surprised that she's so closed off about it will I wanted to talk to you about that too. Because I thought it was really interesting in her interview when she was kind of talking about why she didn't really want it out there. I've been with women in the past. And obviously been with men I would rather not label things and just kind of if you're talking to somebody you're attracted to them. And if you're not you're not and that person can be. Male female or anywhere in between. And she made a good point about like being bisexual like as much as that is an absolute form of sexual identity there still somewhat of a stigma around. I think a lot of people in the gay community and the straight community sort of like don't really always believe it. You know, like, I think people want you to almost be one or the other even to this day, when you know, be is the LGBT, you know, so vice actuality is a real thing. And I think she kinda just felt like I don't feel like trying to explain it to everyone because. Yeah, I'm with Tom now and that I've been with women before. But like, I don't feel like I wanna have to explain myself all the time. So I kind of got where she was coming from. Right. And I mean, you shouldn't have to disclose you've had sex with right? What did you think of Tom now that we finally got to see it? I love it. I think it's really really cool. I'm really happy for the guys because they've been waiting so long Sandoval. Of course, cried. We knew he was going to. But actually saying it like on camera and not just kind of in the pictures. Like I've seen most of it. I'm like, yeah. I wanna go there. Well, as I have been there, it is even more gorgeous in person just so many like little details. Dislike Lisa Vander pump is a master at what she does. She really knows what to do. And I think she's really like totally monopolized that corner of West Hollywood in the best way possible. You know, like, I think each place kind of has its own unique personality, but they're all like, very similar and kind of have the same feeling like you, you can tell that. They're all part of something bigger. I feel like okay way. So if villa Blanca is where you take your wife, sir is where you take your mistress pump is where you take your boyfriend. What are you taking tom-tom your first Tinder date flu? Or first grinder dated is West Hollywood. That I wanna go. There's only one thing. I love more than a Bravo. Liberty and it's Bravo fan because the pro fans get it. You guys have a lot of opinions. But here's the thing we wanna hear them. So we have a survey. There's a Lincoln the description, basically, tell us what your favorite shows. Are. We wanna know what you guys wanna see is it early access to trailers before they come out. Do you wanna phone call from Lisa Vander, pomp, check the description? We have a survey in there, and you can give us your feedback. Okay. We are here with a very special guest, the one the only John Thrasher. Hi, everybody. Hello told everybody who I am yet. No kind of on the beginning. You have been on this podcast before. Throw. It was ages ago. People probably need a reintroduction. Now, we know co host of Martinez and murder. Tell us about that podcast. We'll do it with Darren who's Andy's assistant, and she is a handful. She will be on the show. I think of actually right. I think you guys have something booked with. Yeah. Policy in. Yeah. Everything's great. What what should I say about the show? It's a family friendly true crime podcast. And I say that as in. It's not no, it's not family friendly. I was trying to make it sound. I've heard it's not at all. You're right. Well, what I should say is it's not the sort of heavier type of true crime podcast. It's not gory. It's not dark. It's not Deepa can be gory actually at times. But it's not one of those things where you're going to take your headphones out and have nightmares. You know, we try to talk about true crime in a way that people can enjoy the Jon Rao without having nightmares later on. So and also we just needed an excuse to drink at work. I think so we were like how can we put our minds together and do that. And that's where the podcast came from. We should have had a MARTINI waiting for you. I know you guys we'll going on over here. We shoulda brought some for you guys actually that that would have been more proprio. I will say though, I was a guest on a recent episode and John and Darren had these craft cocktails in front of them. And then they're like we ran out to you wanna shot of whiskey. Listen that is definitely not my fault. We have a barten-. Tender and Meghan who has helped producing in the back end on your show is also on our show and she's here today sitting right next to me and she will attest to Matt's unprofessional demeanor in the sense of not having a drink ready for you. That is not my responsibility on the drinks. I am purely talent. And I'm here to drink the end of the story. But yeah. So that's that's Martinez and murder pretty much. Well, one thing I wanted to ask you is. You recently interviewed Debra Newell, though, real life. Deborah Newell from dirty, John. Can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah. We interviewed her and Laura Richardson, who is a criminal behavioral analysts also appears in the oxygen dirty, John which is called dirty, John the dirty truth. It's a two hour documentary. So it's all the real people involved. Bravo, obviously did the scripted show. Which was amazing the yes, so Debra came in, and it was like sort of like true crime royalty in a sense. You know, she is right up there with like the folks at cereal in the sense of these are the people who really have sought. Sort of broken through in established true crime podcasting as it were, you know, unfortunately, she was a victim in this case. Whereas, you know, the people talking on cereal for the most part weren't victims. They were you know, journalists and things, but yet Debra was really interesting. I think it was my all time favorite interview. I mean, we talked a lot about what's called coercive control. And I don't know if you guys have talked about that much or how it even came through with the Bravo version, but it's basically the idea that, you know, people are in a sense, controlling you in ways that you don't even know are are happening. And Deborah in retrospect, you know, hindsight is always twenty twenty Saul this and was in now, she can speak about it. And luckily, she's one of those few people that that were able to get out of it at alive, and successfully and have a healthy life afterwards because that's definitely not the case for everybody. But yeah, the conversation was really interesting. If you're interested in true crime. It was a good. It was a good condo. You should check it out. What did you think of Connie Britton? She does I did ask her that. I was like what are your thoughts about when you found out that Connie Britton? It'd be playing you in the Bravo. I think I would think that's the compliment. Totally. That's pretty much what she said. Yeah. You'll have to go. If you're listening, go go. Download the episode is see see her response. Listen. But yes, she was very flattered and couldn't believe it. She was a big Connie fan. She says before so it was like ultimate dream for her to kind of. They've also become friends. So that was really nice. Yeah. I want Juno temple to play me in a movie. Compla- anything for those who don't know the three of us sit next week other and are very good friends. I just wanna make sure that the fourth wall is broken and people know. Yeah. Because we've already discussed Eric your slavery. Joppa ganger is Ryan Gosling at is who's going to play you in all the movies, and yours is actually Louis. Tom. Right. From direction. Yeah. Usa look like him, and yours Meghan. I have one for you one person. I always forget. Allison, Allison Brie in Judy Greer. Oh, judy. How are you, sir? Show Ronin to that one. Yeah. I've I've got all beautiful. Anyone wants to make a movie of our lives? You know, the cats. Amazing now, I wanna get into a topic. I think we all know we're here to discuss let's do it. And that is the Tokyo trip on the real housewives Atlanta. The main reason I'm here. I mean, John you're superfan. What are you thinking about the season? So far, you know, it's been interesting because Kenya's not on the season. But I've always been a huge Kenya fan. Also her dynamic with Cherie. So for them both to be off of the show. The season is just I started out like, oh, no. I hope I still love it the way I've always loved it. And I will say I've been proven right because I love the season. I was a little preemptive about Chamari in the first episode because I was like will. I love her the way of love the others. You know, it's like all, you know, the shows like your kid, you wanna love all the friends that come along with it. You know, and she has been so fun. I absolutely love her relationship with Ronnie. I love those kids every time. I see the kids. I'm like if they're ever in this office. Somebody needs to bring them to my desk, because I went to hug the kids a weird thing to say she didn't bring them when she came into town point bad. Yeah. Yeah. But I have loved this season. I think it's been it's definitely different from pass. Seasons. But in a really good way. I would say well specifically I wanna talk about the bus ride in Tokyo my God. Because you know, Eric has you've said before you're not sure Eva brings that real housewife energy all the time. I feel like she did on this bus ride. She definitely showed a side that I've been waiting to see I think all season because I love again, the editing and that scene too because it's like two four and two twenty five and then it's like two forty six. It's still going on Marlow. I thought the same thing. I was like ten minutes in. I'm like are. They still fighting about the same thing. And if you look at like Porsche, and some of the others in the background, they're like checking their phones, they're completely checked out of the conversation. And Eva still yelling a tomorrow like pooling her braids out of her face. It's just so funny poor tour guide, I did not know what she was getting into. I do love the tour guide in this episode, though, where she's just like, you know, what I've had it leaving eleven fifteen were out the door and he's like two minutes late. And it's like, no, I don't remember if it was the editing, but the scene in that van where somebody like had a sick burn. I think it was because she was reading Marlow like crazy what we're on white Marlin, we wanna work plus. I'm. From your mouth under that plate will mommy's which Mario under that will mean. Moms limit Arlo. You picked the wrong day the comfy evil. No character. Eva. Your basic, darling. I just want ten pounds off. You need to let that girl live. So she can let you live Honey because she's killing your way as right now Marlow, I'm so sincere sit down then don't do that. Maybe I can make you wanna block if you wanna go seventy eight the Normandy. So you wanna fight? Let's go swing. I promise you worked down and then it cuts to the tour guide, and she's like laughing hysterically. I'm like did. I even know what she just said. Like come on. It was just so funny. It was like she seemed very disconnected from that. And then the one like sick burn, she's laughing hysterically. I thought it was. So she knows a good read when she here. Apparently, John, do you think is a better dresser Marlo or Eva? Ooh. I I don't know. That's a tough one. I mean is it Marla? No, probably not. I mean Eva has her own style showing Marla was more. Like, I don't know. This this episode. She kind of did clap back with our subtle designer stuff. Yvonne talking about but Marla was very kind of in your face with her fashion. And I like that. But I think I would go with Eva. I feel like yeah. I think I think was more authentically herself and has subtle fashion that kind of works for her. I mean, how can you go against somebody? Who was America's next top model? You know what I'm saying? That's true. But how do you feel about the fact she spent twelve hundred dollars on our flip-flops? I mean, candy said it perfectly. She was like that's a little bit much to be doing like twelve hundred dollar flop. I may come on. Yeah. That's a lot. But if they break flipflops break all there's just thinking that I also lose flipflops all the time. I don't know how that happens. Like, I don't know if it's like. On the subway. I find myself walking home barefoot. I'm like how did this happen? Be at twelve hundred dollar flops is a bit much. I agree. And I feel like, you know, just giving that everything that's going on even with Eva. And her grandfather and Niimi with Gregg, you know, the fact that they thought for an hour over like labels and designer clothes. I was just kind of like really can't we just put this aside? I'm very much in that vote as well. Because this season they seem very obsessed with like, the whole labels and and materialistic stuff. And like, of course, to an extent have always been like that. That's what everyone loves about these shows, but this season in particular. I'm like, okay, it's Chanel. It's fine. Like, let's keep moving. Let's keep the joke going, you know, but it is also I have to say beautiful that they can put that aside the same thing. Like when Eva was upset and was like, I think I wanna go home. Like, I dunno everyone came to the room, including Marlow and Eva set at the best when she was just like, how can you be? So but. So ego, but us so beautiful. Just like, okay, you're right. I mean, they always especially the Atlanta ladies are so good. I think it setting that stuff aside, and when someone really needs support they're there for each other Eric have you read my notes because this is literally everything I have written down completely agree. We have very similar are saying. Several years. No, I you know, the other thing too is when you think back to previous seasons. I mean for those of us who remember the Porsche Kenya stuff from several seasons ago at this point. It's just nice to see the show has progressed and there's not so much sour negatively like. I love I agree with you. I love the seeing that come rotary amongst them. What do you think of Porsche this season Porsche is so funny because when she first started for me because she was the I guess antithesis to Kenya. I often found myself siding with Kenya. But it seemed like once they got back together. And we're like at least friendly to each other. I started realizing that Porsche was just trying to find her way onto the show and like just get comfortable with everybody now Porsche is almost like a whole different person. She so yeah, you know, in when they flash back to like those couple even in this episode this couple of moments where she is with her ex husband, and they're talking about like, babies and marriage. I'm almost like oh my God. I totally forgot Porsche was almost a whole different person. So I'm loving the new like confident giddy happy Porsche, and she was here in the office. When was that about a year or two ago, and I met her in person, we talk for a minute. And she was so so nice. And I was just like the biggest Porsche fan. I really like her lot vague gracious. Yes. She was gracious. A good one thing that really did not like about this episode. I wanted to get your thoughts. Good. So they're there for his bachelorette party. They go to the red light district is it me. Or did we not see enough of that they go to a Nereo keep room, and that's it? And I think candy says it pretty accurately too. She's like I was looking to go there for like inspiration for my like dungeon thing. You know, she's looking for the ladies in the window. I mean, the red light district in Tokyo is very different than the red light district unanswered. They're totally different. How a why I guess? Ladies and the window. This red light district seemed to be like they said time square. You know, lots of bright fluorescent lights where I feel like red light district Amsterdam a little more salt tree and more about the sex type stuff. Yeah. I didn't. I agree with you. I didn't I didn't feel that in this either the karaoke who can do anytime anywhere. But they are ladies that do go out and stay out. So I feel like maybe we just didn't get to see it. Yeah. I agree by the way. Did you all I kept thinking of how much I wish I were needing in this episode because she ended up like not going to a few different things. And I'm like, how do these women have the energy to like go out like this all the time and be traveling? And God Eva had her whole grandfather thing, I was like I don't have the energy for this always say at though, they say, the vacations are not relaxing. If you're on vacation, you are reading on the feed nap, you workout win. Yeah. Good concert round, technically, working the. Oh, like a competition thing they had endorsed because it was raining. I was like you could not wake me up on a vacation if it's raining, I will be sleeping the whole day. Just watching that little competition. Yeah. I was a lot. I did wanna take going back to Ninian how she's gotten God. If some of these events, my favorite part of the episode was when she was like back in her room and went to get into bed and the producer tries to like, Marcus get outta my room, Marcus run. Mark is get out of my room. She's like, no. I know he was banned from her taxi and from her hotel room. I mean props to him because he is just working his butt off trying to keep those ladies in line. But needing not having it while she's in Tokyo. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, it was so funny when Porsche mentioned that Nina was going to murder someone I was like this is the perfect episode for me to come on expert of. Okay, Dijana here. Just how calm knee was now. Go ahead. I'm good enjoy. She Marta one of us tonight. Acuff feel it. Yeah. Because here's the thing. Niimi, you know, one of the other things I wanted to mention is that Nina n- this season in particular. I think because of the Greg stuff has really become I want to say, I don't wanna say like the matriarch of the group, but she's been so much more calm and a sense. Meaning the pass would have flipped the hell out about that whole thing with the with the car this time, she's just like I'm going to go back to my room. I'm gonna check Snapchat like her life. Was fine. And I really appreciate that. Because you know, knee had some seasons where it was like, oh my gosh. What is going on? She's so angry. It seemed like so it was nice to kind of see her. You know, just be the especially with the Eva stuff as well. She kind of just seems like the person who's diffusing the situations now. But yeah, that was a funny line by Porsche. I really thought it was hilarious nineties picking and choosing her battles. Which is exactly exactly that's a good way to put it. I also have to give a shout out to my girl Chamari when she saying to her son. Still I I wrote down like I need to sink to Eric. This gets just like. Like, everyone loves do sound just like. Meghan, strapping her single tune. Yes, right up there with Milania. Yes. She sang her kids right to sleep on FaceTime. I was like this isn't even an edit like they literally just fell asleep right on FaceTime. It's amazing. The sound of voice, by the way. Can we talk about her voice, though, that we have given that I was not expecting her to win the competition with candy just because we all know candy is, you know, the music person, right and Chamari comes in and sings his eye on the Sparrow, and I was like I rewound it a few times I wanted to keep listening. I didn't realize she was that good. I mean, don't get me wrong. I had the the CD single of eight oh eight like. That song. I just didn't recognize that. She was such a good singer. Yes. She's good. Yeah. One thing we didn't really get to talk about with Tanzania really being still so sensitive over the comments me made. And you talked to her recently. Yes, I had a conversation with her. She called in. We talked a little bit about the fight with the in Tokyo, I asked her about the hibachi room. I was so curious about that we got a little bit of her perspective on Marlow and Marlow fashioned. And she talked a little bit about her professional life too. So here's that interview. Ten years. I hear it a low. How are you? I'm great. How are you? I've good. Thank you agreeing to chat with us very excited. Okay. Let's do it. So the first thing I have to ask you about is the botchy room. How did that happen? Where did it come from? What's the upkeep like, okay botchy room? It actually pretty amazing. And it's more useful than people think you can find a lot of things to cook on a hibachi grill. But yeah, when Paul is has about ten years ago, the basement was sort of half-finished. So there was this concept of the hibachi room. It wasn't finished and the rest of it was kind of like a really interesting shooting range shooting practice range. So you can imagine single back. Then he was like, oh my gosh. This is the house of my single bachelor dreams sold and out. We actually took the shooting range out the guy took all that stuff away. And we finish the hibachi room. We put in a movie theater Naan. Jim there's a bar a little dance lure area that we call it. So yeah. The room is pretty awesome. Do have like a chef on retain. Dana Radu use the same guy who comes over to cook. So we don't have shop on retainer. We have a couple that we kinda put through rotation the one that we use most recently, we used kind of frequently is from this really great hibachi restaurant in town called Catanha one in LA as well. So we usually have them come bring everything they do all the prep when we did the hibachi night with girls, they brought a bartender server. So we kinda got the routine down, Pat. That's very cool. Awesome. So I did also want to ask you. We just saw you and Nina get into a little situation in Tokyo. So can you elaborate on that may be like share your side of the story there? Yeah. Okay. So Tokyo Tokyo was amazing. And you the episode that just aired, you know, kind of on a cliffhanger. So the timing is right. And basically, you know, we had gone to this temple all the ladies had read their fortunes, and it it really felt like very. Just a spin to me, right? Got the sport chin, and I was reading it was just great had best fortune. But then, you know, behind me I heard like median Marlow being like, oh while girl, maybe you'll marry Paul. Maybe you won't like it just felt like they were kind of like making a joke out of it. Kind of chuckling behind my back, and I kind of likened it to explain like, you know, if you've got girlfriends, and you've got friends or anything like I want positive bides only. So it's kind of like imagine you were in college or something you're you've been in college. And you talk about how much he loved college graduations coming and some hey girl made you'll graduate. Maybe won't like that just felt odd to me like why would your friend say that? So that's kind of where it came from. And I just wanted to get it off my chest. Because I was like, well, why would you say that and it exploded like you saw that sushi restaurant? It went to one hundred real fast of -solutely. Yes. So how did you? Meet your fiance to begin with like to have any update on wedding plans. Cool. I mean, I love this story. So you not like I mean, you should I'm going to try and give you the long story short because like Eric mysterious talker. Okay. But basically, I met call I was in Los Angeles. And I was on rodeo drive with my sister. And we were shopping in baton, and I saw this guy, and he was just like super cute something about him. I just looked at him. And I looked at my sister was like I love him. And she's like what like was like invisible him like our types are so different. And it was like him. I love him to go talk to him. And I was really shy. I just know maybe he'll come and talk to me. So I was like trying to kind of like wiggle my butt and bat my eyelashes like, maybe he'll notice me. And my sister ended up breaking the ice. And we all ended up going. He had some friends with him in LA as well for cocktails and drinks at actually turns out. It's Lisa Vander pumps restaurant villa Blanca. Yes, I know for like hours, and then at that time, I lived in New York, and he lived in Atlanta about five days later, he came to New York visiting out. It's gonna bit don't might God. Who do you could find love it? Louis vitton. I know it was great. And now I look at it like, oh my gosh. It's what seven years later. I'm like kind of love it for site. That's amazing. I mean, given your relationship in kind of you know, the little spat with knee need to have any updates. You can share on wedding plans. I'm not letting those secrets out of the bag got like tune in. As you get to know me, more and watch the show. I think more will be revealed on that it will net case who do you think will get married. I you Porsche or Cynthia. Oh my gosh. That is so interesting. Let's see I don't know portion. I chat a little bit. And it you know, it might be a race to the altar on that. But I also think you know, Cimpian, Mike have been talking about marriage, and I could also see them doing some like, hey, like we they've been married before they might just do it. So I know it's going to be interesting. We'll have to see how that plays out. Yeah. So I want to talk a little bit too about your love of fashion where did that come from? Oh on you know. Guess it's like you really wanna break it down like my dad, and my parents have always been like kind of baller fashiony studies. Like, I remember playing in my mom's closet when I was little in like now, I recognize the brands and stuff. But at the time, you'll be like, oh, what's this in you playing dress up and stuff, you know? My dad never went to work with suit. He had like massive amounts of clothes and shoes. So I guess my family, and then I just know closer just such a fun way to like express yourself. Absolutely yet. I mean this season we've seen some relief, you know, friendly competition between you and Marlow. What's your take on Marlo style? I mean, here's the thing when we had that bashing competition like Mujber competitive like they had put me in the model walking I would have gone out there, and I cannot walk or smile or anything I would have gone out there just trying to win. So I was I was gonna win no matter. What like I love it. And like Marley. And I like I love Marlow. She's so much fun. We share a lot of the same items and clothing, you know, what I mean will come to like go to dinner. I'll be like oh my gosh. Marlow? I just got that. It's like the new hottest item. So we're very similar in our fashion tastes, you know, it should be put together in different ways, which I think is the essence of how everyone wears different items of -solutely. So in that case, what's your take on sale Chamari style. Okay area. So I do feel like Chamari. He's been getting the season. You know, people are like Shomari shimmery step it up. She has stepped it up a lot. Like, I mean, obviously Chamari has a very different body of in mind like she's a sample size. And so I would kill to get into some of those couture pieces that is obviously made for Chamari sprain. And I think she just been stepping it up. You know, I also can't point anything because Chamari has twins in I'm dying to have twins in my life. So I can't imagine what it's like taking care of two little twin babies, and then worrying about oh my gosh. What am I gonna wear today and helmet gonna feed my kids like is lot? So going back a little bit to the Tokyo trip. We heard that after that from a couple of other ladies, I think Shajarian candy mentioned there was an RA HOA group chat that was spun from that. So are you in in that group? Yeah. We have housewives chat for a long time in obviously, you know, Marlowe, and I were in it. And you know, there might be others lurking around that I'm not on. I'm not sure that I come Ari mentioned there were some like there was some side groups going on as well. So I, you know, I was like, okay, guys get kicked off the island for some reason here. What's happening? Was there? Anyone you want to like put on do not disturb in that group? Chats. No, I love attacks on the I prefer tax to phone call any day. So I'm probably guilty of like over mortgaging. So they probably will put me on pause before. I put anyone on pies. That's fair. Did you watch real house of Atlanta before you joined or any of the other housewives franchises? Oh, yeah. Before it moved to Lynn. I lived in New York. So I will have to say that like I watched New York like on and off for years because I think most people have seen housewives franchise somewhere along the line. And then I watched it Lanta I love Beverly Hills and loved Tomac. So you just kind of like, you're guilty pleasure. Everyone's seen a little bit of something that finitely. So you came in through Nate to cheat give you any advice before you started filming. Ooh, she didn't. She was actually really good. You know, because it's it's a different world especially from what I'm used to. And it's it's reality television. So I kind of like a sponge like anything, she would tell me like, okay. All right. One of the things that I think she told me that I really took to heart. She was like get to know all the girls individually like for who they are. And you know, kind of make friendships with each one of them, and I'm super friendly like the girls kinda laugh because I'm the type of person that comes in him. Like, you're all my friends were all friends whom by. And that's not always the case. That is not always the case. And so I think that was kind of funny for them candy sometimes used to laugh at me. She's like oh gosh. Shannon's loves everybody was like eighteen what were some of your first impressions of the ladies? Like when you started being introduced everyone. So let's see I'd met either a couple times before because our husbands had done, you know, small amount of business scattered. They went to war house. And even I you know, I feel like we had an easy bombing situation. 'cause she's you know, she's also not from Atlanta from Kelly. I'm Canadian so I feel like our vibes were kind of similar candy. I just had like so much respect for like, she's just such a boss, and she's made so many interesting businesses anyone that can sow like, you know, thousands of thousands of bibles across the country. I just think interesting. You know, and should be super sweet we had a great time this season just because you know, bonding over similar interests. She starting wine shop, I really love wine, and I know a lot of winds. So we got dispensing good time talking about things like that and Chamara 's blast like, honestly, Chamari sill, much fun. Like if you wanna go out and have a good time and just laugh in. It's just easy peasy you call Chamari like for sure. And like I said Marla finding like Marlow is also a good time in in a very different way. So I feel like I've had really good times at all ladies might forgetting anyone 'cause that's not good. I think that's pretty good. I mean in terms of like any of the alums like Kenya or camera. Fe dry. Have you met any of them? No, not really like we've been at a Bence together baby showers like the mayor's ball. So, you know circles in Atlanta are kind of small, but I haven't spent like Cutie with any of those ladies gut it so going back to evoke a little bit. There's been some conversation. Nations recently about her shadiness. Do you feel like even ish shady or do you think she's just misunderstood? So good question. I don't feel like she's Chafee. I also think like sometimes the definition of shady's different for every person. Right. And I like, you know, this show requires everyone to kind of say some sort of comments every once in a while and call people out on it. So I don't think even intention is ever to be mean, or like, you know, throw knives in someone's back. But I just think the girls want the what the girls were saying, they're like we want you to own it in say it in say, you're fading now, not being shady. I'm not being mean just making jokes. Right, right. I think that I don't know. I don't know interesting. 'cause I just think everyone's definition of shady is different. That's true. What's your definition of shady? Well, I feel like now that I've spent enough time with this group of ladies. It's kind of changed have a way better definition. I've kind of had to like in the past. I would say I would bite nice shade tongue a lot more. And I just was like the type of person that would be like, you can't say something. Nice don't say anything at all. Now, I'm a little bit more vocal and all like just say things that are like running through my internal dialogue. So I feel like it's just a little like light-handed poke poke at someone, you know. That's what reality TV will do. Right. My gosh. Let me tell you. So speaking of your journey into reality television. You've had a really diverse career so far from nursing to tech out. Your in reality TV what's the hardest part of transitioning through those different kind of career paths. You know, you just have a little bit of courage. No fear because they're so different. And I'm getting better at that. Because there's always a part of me. That's like oh my gosh. I don't know what I'm doing here. Like, this is so different. Is there? A rule book is manual like I really like rules in a manual, but I'm just getting better at just kind of yolo ING it be like destroy it. See if you like it just go with it. You know, fake it to you make it sort of thing and just make up the rules as you go along. Right. Let's great. So like, I feel like the tech space is a very male dominated space. So as a woman and a woman of color, what was that experience like getting involved in that industry? Really interesting. And you know, it took a long time, you know, when you first start off, and I would have people come up to me and be like, oh, excuse me. Do you read a Starbucks is or are you ordering line because the automatic assumption was perhaps you're female in maybe you're someone's Adleman, or you know, you could help me find the back room because that might have been your role in this organization 'cause you know, women weren't always necessarily talk dogs. So I think that is changing a lot now and people are starting to see a lot more diversity a lot more women and accepting that, but it's been interesting for sure it's one of those things that I personally wrestle with. Because you know, I don't know if you've ever heard this this expression of imposter syndrome. It's one thing to be doing your job and doing it. Well, and it's another thing to have this little voice inside of you being like, oh my gosh. No-one's? You don't know what you're doing? You don't have a PHD here. Like everyone's gonna find out that, you know, you don't and that's not really what it's about. It's about doing your job in learning as you go, and, you know, making sure that you put out the best work effort that you can. And so I just like to represent that for more and more women because otherwise they don't see that set of representation on TV. I feel like we're less likely to take chances and take risks in our career paths. Absolutely. That's I think you have a 'nother shot at like being a motivational speaker for your next career choice to kind will. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you calling in for this interview. And I'm going to be coming to Atlanta schedule me in for hibachi because I need to hit up that table. Gosh. Please make it happen. And you know, we don't always have to do cheese. Sometimes I say the best night, you go out and party in Atlanta. And then you end up back at our house, and we are doing Walker house eggs in greasy breakfasts soak up all that alcohol stomach and ring on the botchy girl and into dance party. That sounds like a dream. It is so much fun. Amazing. Thank you so much tan ya and congratulations on the season. And we're looking forward to see how the rest of plays out. Thank you so much fun buyer Tanja. Okay. It's time for rose thorns. Okay. Let's do rose and thorn, Eric what was your rose this week? So my rose was Laura and Ashton finally having sex on below deck. You've been waiting waiting, and you know, at first Laura was like a little bumpy when she came in. She and Kate we're butting heads. But through the whole thing. I kind of really did end up really liking, Laura, and I liked the sort of kind of dynamic that they had, you know, we spoke last week about like Tyler and Riley kind of not being on the same page, but I feel like Ashton and Laura always kind of managed to stay on the same page. So I was just waiting for it to finally happen. If it's gonna happen. It's gonna be on the last night, you're on the boat. So props to them. What about you? My rose is that the real housewives of New York City super tease came out. And everyone is finally able to watch it also we did a bonus episode just talking about the super teas. So if you haven't listened to it go back listen to that. Onus up. It's worth it. John are special cast. What is your rose my roses for Marlo being there for evil? I thought that was a really sweet moment, we kinda just talked about it. But like Eric said, I really like the come rotary of the group and how they all show up for each other. I don't watch many of the other housewives franchises. But I feel like this particular group, they get it. Right. Every time so shout out to Marlow and tomorrow's wake. Oh, yes. Yes. Absolutely. In almost fell off a couple times. Eric, what's your thorn? So my thorn is also actually from Atlanta. It's the karaoke segment because I think I've been pretty vocal two guys in the past about how as much as I love musicals, like I love music, like the whole thing karaoke, just not my thing. It's just makes me so uncomfortable. And then you know, they're all in there. And then especially if you're with like, candy and Chamari like, you know, those two are the singers of the group, so they're going to try to and then, you know, candies hitting her like high note in like this, you know, so I was just sort of like it just triggered me. And all of the times, I've been to karaoke and just like really not enjoyed the experience you're going with the wrong, folks, obviously mega just sang for you. So I don't know all need to go out together. And do it. It's trail. All right. Well, what was your thorn, Meghan? Okay. So my thorn is also from real housewives of Atlanta. It's when Niimi makes the girls take off their shoes before they come to our hotel around Niimi, it's a hotel room. There is seeming. Everyone Meghan really had to take it. They're real lack light in there. And you'll realize shoes or the least of your problem. I would typically agree with you. But in Japan, I feel like Japan is so strict about well, also, they're just the cultures. Just amazing. You know what I'm saying? So I would agree with you. If it wasn't Japan. It's so clean there. When they have them in the streets. Like, it does not look like New York's I wish our time square. Look like this because it is not like that. It's way dirtier here. But it is. It's one thing to be like, please take your shoes off before you come into my like house like my hotel room. Come really, I don't know John. What was your thorn? Well, get ready for this. My thorn goes right back to Marlow. That's right, rose, Anna Thorne Marla, and my comment is about how she just needs to chill because a lot of these those comments that she was making towards Eva not just this episode, but this whole season it's like with the wedding dress. She needs to lose ten like that kind of stuff. I know that tomorrow, by the way. No, that's like what she's good at. But it's starting to make it seem like she's sort of has a thing against Eva. And it's just like come on, especially, you know, she's going to be going through a lot now with the grandfather stuff take a step back Marlow. Are you particularly referencing? The like you have two babies by two. Yes. The whole van segment that whole thing was a bit. It was your reporting a little too low in mice in my pin. Right. Right. And the next night they're like fine and their best friends walking down the hallway together. Exactly. Well, john. Thank you so much for joining. To you everyone. Go listen to Martinez and murder. You can find it wherever you listen to podcast. And I think we're putting a link to our Facebook group on your guys episode so feel free to click into that. And come see what we're doing. And it's a lot of fun. Thanks for having me guys anytime, John. Alright cea. Let's keep the conversation going. We wanna talk to you all week long. Not just Thursdays. You can find us on Twitter or Instagram at Bravo TV. Don't forget to use the hashtag. Bravo daily dish or reach out to us. Personally. I'm everywhere at Megara. An I'm Eric j MAC E R, I K, and if you're on Facebook, join the daily dish Facebook group, you can post about what you're watching your favorite shows who's your favorite housewife ask a question. Start some drama. There's a lot of good stuff in there. So check it out. You could also learn more about the podcast at Bravo. TV dot com. TY L. Why? Get into. Me.

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AWTR Show #731: Month of the Military Child

Army Wife Talk Radio

10:43 min | 6 months ago

AWTR Show #731: Month of the Military Child

"Attention know spouses families and service members. It's now time for another empowering episode of Armond White Talk Radio the leading and longest running podcasts of its kind. Awt are is doing gauge and encourage you by sharing dynamic interviews social media connections news and empowering military life information here are your Awt our hosts your Army Wife Network Command team. I'm Joey Lee mcnutt. Army wife networks new six correspondent earlier this week as I was preparing the news for our next army wave. Talk Radio Show. It occurred to me that military kids are quite possibly the best place to handle this whole stay at home. Life turned upside down. Time that we're all living through. Did you know that there are almost two million active duty military children over seven hundred thousand reserve component military children in America? The average child in a military family will move six to nine times during school career. That's an average of three times more frequently than non military families according to to the Department of our defense education activity report if you want more facts on our military children. I'll post the link Tour Department of Defense Special Report in the comments here from the ad that industry have it? I think it's so fun. April is month of the military child. So here we are today. We're going to celebrate these incredible kids in our life. Who several that. Maybe they weren't asked to serve and they do it with such incredible grace. Military kids are incredible. They're just warriors who've learned to roll with what life is thrown their way. I kind of find it fitting that. The entire month of the military child April has completely overturned life as we know it all the irony April has been a month of unknowns and unchartered territory for the whole world. It's almost as if we've been able to share with civilians taste of the unpredictability in the chaos at that are amazing mill kids experience on the regular races. We could all learn a little more about managing this crazy currently situation if we look to our military children who become experts at thriving in any circumstance so here we are celebrating our military kids in a new way. I WANNA know. How are you celebrating month of the Military Child? We really would love to start the conversation. The comments tell us what your during the honor military kids in your life. Maybe it will help spark some ideas for the rest of us to really celebrate these kids because you know what just because we're stuck at home doesn't mean we can't celebrate our kids this mountain. I'm still in Nineteen eighty-six the Second Defense Secretary Caspar Weisberg Weinberger designated April as month of the military child as a way for military bases cities in school districts around the world to Honor our military Kiddos with special events just for them as part of this month long celebration. Local communities are invited to take part in Purple Update. Military one source is spearheading a digital purple date in encouraging you to post photos wearing your best purple who got my propellant today. Act and support our military kids and bring awareness to just the fact that they're incredible Unique little component of our of our military so using that Hash to use hashtag purple up. Twenty if you want to post your your mix so April might feel like it was cancelled. But there's no way in my opinion to cancel celebration of military kids so I have a few resources for you. That might help you. Honor Your on mill kids. So let's start with military one source their offer. They're offering a free military child appreciation. Kit that you can order for your milk kids. That's while supplies last. It has all sorts of fun things in it on including a little reusable usable string bag and pop sackett that. I know that my son will be crazy over and it's so fun who doesn't like. I don't know I like getting fun. Mail and so. I'm really excited to sign up my son for that and Just head on over to military one source tap nail for that they also have resources available for parents including a free online parenting program. That's designed for parenting children from birth to age eighteen. And I also noticed when I was looking around at military sources at took it for celebrating military kids. There's a link to military kids. Connect a website designed for military children to help them navigate military life feelings in their health and wellness. If you'd like to enter your child for a chance to win a gift card is hosting a huge number of giveaways to celebrate military children this month and you can register to win at shot. My EXCHANGE DOT COM military child education coalition is also honoring military kids this year with a vast digital. Toke it that's available at military child Dot Org. You can visit their website and hear stories of military kids featured on their weekly podcast and explored in online learning series called navigating change military child that also has a list of fifty ways to celebrate the month of the military child many of these be adapted to us in a state home style. I thought maybe it'd be fun to Chalk your sidewalk in purple or interviewing your child in ask what it means to be a milk kid. Share it with your social media network and spread awareness of what our youngest military family members do for our nation and to wrap up this little celebration. I loved to share a bit of my heart in a poem. A military child manifesto this. I'm not a poet but I was just inspired this week as I was really digging into military children in learning about the resources available this month to celebrate month of the military child on sell our secrets sit rat subscribers will be offered in exclusive pretty principle copy of this poem and there's good news you can still sign up if you're not getting are set rat. It's a twice a month email All our mysteries versus just come by into just a quick little email format. It's really fun to get that twice a month and will Will include a parental copied in upcoming issue. So if you WANNA sign up to receive the site. Rep ARMY NETWORK DOT COM. You can look at the upper right hand corner of the page. Drop in your email and you'll get a copy Vernet next up with printable my little heroes. Military Child Manifesto and my military took you like a shirt today. Limitless here's my inspiration for my military child manifesto. Here's to the braves military child who prepares for yet another new school. It is forced new mascot in principle in three years he takes a deep breath with STOICA. Veneer here's to the strong military child. His mom is leaving for three months of training. He helps her with a smile as each item is packed knowing that time will drag on until she's back. Here's to the lonely military child wondering wistfully as she gazes at her class. Her birthday is coming which she hardly knows a friend to invite in. Watch the candles she blows. Here's the valiant military child who snuggles into bed with an ache deep inside. Hugs that daddy doll so tightly each night and whispers tender prayers of safety for the fight. Here's to the resilient military child. No one asked what her thoughts were on that so she bounces and stretches in springs into place. She makes peace of this life with incredible. Grace here's to the adventurous military child. Who Delivers and Jabar's of places? Far Far Away and points confidently on a map to show what he knows. Like judy or Bahrain or lovely. Were No. Here's the spirited military child who by age three has learned unsealing truth that the military has no sense of time and will not debate so he learned to hurry up and wait. Hurry up and wait. Here's the proud military child. Who SINGS SONGS IN CADENCES? While they march with voice so sweet she melts hearts down the street. Until you hear words that might shock and that are not always so screeching. Here's to the loyal military child who dutifully stocks every day for the flag as reveille place who salutes with admiration at sunrise and sundown and retreat. Sounds reverently in stops the whole here's to the astounding military child whose resolve is inconceivable. Preposterous unbelievable when Uncle Sam calls a mom or a dad to get up and go the military child forever. Indomitable follows until Sir John Yesterday. I hope that you're celebrating your military kids this month. Let us know how you're doing it because I am certainly looking for extra ways. There definitely were celebrating in. We'll share this with you in a principal in our In coming issue have a great day. Celebrate those little kids. Thank YOU TUNING IN TO ARMY WIFE. Talkradio views and opinions expressed in our show our personal. Awt are is in no way affiliated with the Department of Defense or any other branch of the armed services and inclusion in. Our show does not reflect endorsement by the dod any local government or their agencies until the next episode head over to www dot army wife network dot com to connect with all of our empowering resources engage educate encourage. May wfan is your source or military life empowerment.

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Triad Moms on the Mic - Who Are You? (The Identity Episode)

Triad Moms on the Mic

35:57 min | 3 months ago

Triad Moms on the Mic - Who Are You? (The Identity Episode)

"This. podcast nickname Laura I'm Kelly an Coda I'm Lara and we are the. On My I, everyone and welcome to try it. Mom's on the Mike, the official podcast of Triad Mom's on main for more information about the show in all things parenting. Make sure to check out the t mom website at www dot triumphs on main dot com tried mom's on main has daily blogs a directory for practically everything in their updated all the time be sure to subscribe to the newsletter and subscribe to this podcast. So you never miss a thing has. allowed. Kelly and I'm here with Laura Laura in CODA and A. Really deep personal question for you guys, boy. We're GONNA get existential today. Ready. The question is. Who Are you? A. Feeling that was coming. On. Are you. Along do we have? Forty minutes by Mike Walk. That's a big question, right and. I think you troll some of the Parenting money facebook groups like the tried mom's on main community. Chad. Or some of the other ones. I see all the time all the time people saying things like. Well number one. How do I make friends as a grownup? And number two what do you guys do for yourself? What do you do for me time But in. That's those are two things that are part of a larger question about who we are as women. Right? Because we have kids a lot of times. Um We forget that we're people. Right. I mean, who who have you guys identify as yourself as so and so's mom. Ideally yeah. Even signed my emails that way. Will you know I was thinking about this because before hours nays mom. Mom Hours Zach's wife, and before that I was jailed daughter and Travis Sister Light. It wasn't just I'm CODA. You know like you always. Me Personally had someone else attached to explained. So, how do you? How do you identify yourself like if you were gonNA, write your bio for tried mom's on main. which we've all had to do right had how do you identify yourself? I honestly, like mine I think starts with my three kids like a mom to ally Caleb Violet, I home school which. Like crazy ton of my time Lake sometimes I'm runner. Sometimes. I'm not very motivated and not a runner. I guess like when I when I identify myself I tend to focus on the things they spend a lot of my time line. And at this point in my life, a big proportion of that time is my children and baked proportionate schooling them and a big like a large amount is my work. And there's not a whole time left. After that. If that makes sense. Yeah, and we'll end. We do kind of tend to identify ourselves as what we do and not who we are. Right. So what happens 'cause we've all gone through different. Stages of our life. What happens when what you do? You don't do. I was a teacher for fourteen years. And that's one of those professions that is very all encompassing. And I left when we moved to North Carolina and I was ready to leave and it was time But even now, I still sort feel like people in order to know me need to know that I used to be in middle school to. That makes there's an. That was times up Laura if not getting. It's a spam caller. Imagine that I am also a person, his screams SAM calls on myself. SMART. They WanNa talk to your car extended warranty. Really important or it's the the blood donation placed in Cincinnati where I no longer live and I have told them not like forty seven times. Like Oh let me update that and They still have. So you're also blood donor. That's good. Yes. TYPO. So. Laura in code I mean you guys have had kind of a shift of identity recently because your kids are little. So it wasn't very long ago that you were just. People. People. So, how did how did that feel when all of a sudden you were? Secondary I guess or who you were was secondary. Trying to think how to like formulate this into words because it's the most enormous shift of your life because you know when you get married, you're still yourself just with someone else but when you're a mom. There's just so word of that. And I don't really know had a had a explain that and it's just. That's. I guess I still feel even though may as two years old that on. A mom not anything else I guess I'm still trying to figure out how to. Make time for myself and figure out who I am now as opposed to who I was before I had kids if that makes sense in how to maybe like put those two people. And Still Bomb Tom for myself but still also. Give my kids as much as I can. I don't know. The other day and that would go so care at in a while. You know like it's just it's just different especially with a teeny tiny one in the house is still trying to navigate. How to not only be a mom but be a mom to more than one person. and. There's no going back, right? Right. You're never going to be the person you were before you had kids. You're never going to be the person you were when you were among to one you're. This constantly evolving. Thing and you think about your kids more than you think about yourself at this point in Tom, and I'm not sure if that changes as they grow older. Or. If it. Was Off at school and you talked about that before just how you you still worry about your kids? No matter what. That caught my attention I don't know if you guys read the blogs on Triad MOMS but today course Redo. Record. Blogger was talking about your kids going to school, and while that's really really far off for me it. was like making me tear up because the hell honest she was being in I'm just like I can imagine how that feels how. You work these what eighteen nineteen years to find your identity, and then there goes your identity school or proud of your identity off school, and now you're doing it all over again it's just a cycle and once you get it now just like everything else I'm finding out and motherhood it changes in something something new thrown your way and you gotta figure it out. It's just Not something that I really saw coming with having a child just how much it does affect your identity and it sounds like forever I mean I knew. That makes sense but. Off To college when that changes, I'm sure when they start kindergarten at changes again the. Never, ending. When they get married. Well, and you know I have friends who are empty nesters in the past couple of years and Dare. I am not gonNA call anybody out by name, but a couple of them have just been like I don't know what to do I don't know what to do with myself I who I am now that I don't have this these roles to fulfil anymore who am I so I guess maybe that's the second part. Of My big question is, how do you figure out? Who you are when you're not you anymore. Were kind of. His I have no idea working on it. And Kelly. Elect that's where I am I mean I'm in the thick of this I won't have much advice or anything because I am going to be taking all of the advice. That's how I feel. My fear is right now is. Am I only a mom because if so what happens when he's he's off and on his own then my then I'm nobody you know. That? I. Have Been I'm terrified of that. You know. So I'm trying to I'm in it. I'm trying to figure out who I am. Because I've. I always feel like I've been Laura everyone I've been the volleyball player I've been the good friend I've been. All these the great employees I loved being a good employee and. I'm not any I mean, I I struggled to be any of those things now that when I meet somebody I'm a mom that's the first thing that they remember her. And it's tough transition for sure. So tell us all of the thing. I don't know what I will say this that something that I have learned as. You know things change because i. I. Worked fulltime I worked part time worked for myself. I. Worked for other people and you know I did nothing as stated at home My biggest thing I think is that. And I'M IN A. Position that allows me to do this allied is that I'd like to try new things and I, never feel like are usually don't feel like a failure if they don't stick. And Laura talking about running. You know I started running when I was thirty seven and got pregnant like two months later ran through my pregnancy ran for another year and then put my shoes in the closet I was like all right I'm done with that. And then just about well, when when everything started started doing that again. which is a lot different running at forty seven. It is at thirty seven than it is at twenty, seven I'm sure. Just. Being open to new experiences you know this podcast I mean, who of US none of us had any experience doing any of this or I barely listen to a podcast before. But just being open to opportunities. And ideas and when people say, Hey, do you want to? Wide. Because you might find something got you really love and becomes an important part of your life even if only for a season. Right that's good advice. So. and. It's never too late. It's if you decide, you want to be a runner in you're fifty years old Gopi a runner. I mean. I went back to college this year. I'm a forty seven year old college freshmen. Why not you know what's what's stopping you from doing the things that you want to do and What I do what we do as Moms doesn't define who we are. It enriches our life right. 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Now back to the show, I hit a stage maybe like a year ago and my some kids are ten, eight and five so were were through the baby stage and I think I really kind of relished that. Stage with the little kids I felt like I had an identity there and I liked him being the mom of little kids and then they get older and you don't need them as much and I'll be honest like that's Kinda sweet because at the pool right now and right. Nobody. They can all swim like screening what like I'm not needed and it's glorious. Sometimes I read a book at the Pool But at the same time with that came the desire for people to know. Hey this is who I used to be like, yes I write a beat up Kia mini van that has been hit by four different people in three different YMCA parking lots. Like I'm really Laura. You're probably right. That's a side. There's the one where I hit the Duke Energy Trek but that's another way. Of course That was my my daughter was. Three months old. NAPPY and I tried to go to a MOMS group and we'd had an ice storm of sorts and like by level where you had to go up the driveway out of the garage, and so I was trying to clear the icy driveway and the joining murked Bihar on the other side of the street. But the only played one lane and he was there and my husband later was like you have a backup camera did you not hear it beeping? Lake, we had a really low garage. I always clipped my antenna and it always beeped just you know you tune things out. But Yeah I just I hit this point where I wanted people to know like Hey I am not just the minivan driver like if I had my way I'd be driving a pickup truck like Like I'm a girl who sits and reads on a Saturday morning like instead of you know, I, didn't always rangel tiny humans I. I don't know I feel like I wanted people to know that there was more to me than just mom and there's been that sort of attention there since then and I've taken some risks of teaching I went into editing and writing, which is not I mean I'm an English masters would it's not nice original skill set and then I do finances for my church and I don't I hate mass. All of these things though have liked. Dave helped with that identity crisis like I'm a person who can deal. You're saying and tackle new things and. That's it's important like Kelly said to try I guess to try new stuff. So. Can't trade lavar easier to do as your kids. Get Me Lauren Code you guys have. You know you're still in lockdown mode. So you know it's you can't. Sit by the pool. Or you know you. Take some time out for yourself and take a class or something because you're like on all the time. How do you? How do you find time? What do you do in the time that you do have the thirty minutes a day or whatever what are you doing? That's something that I've really tried to be more mindful of lately especially since eighty races starting to not really have a schedule, but her routine is a little more predictable. kind of know where the little snippets of Tom are GONNA be so. I'll do like a ten minute yoga video were like I said earlier like jump in the tug really quick and just have a few minutes. By myself. So. All your time is basically like quit. He isn't that what it's called that thing you can watch in line like. I've finished Xiao. Inequality am I making that up? It's something like without. You can watch like ten minutes shows on your phone like streaming shows if you're standing in line or. Whatever you having? Oh Yeah I have never heard of this guy anyway. So all yourself care is a is a one of those episodes. teeny tiny little snippets of time for now. Trying to figure out you know to. Change that as routines become more predictable or we actually have a little more of a schedule to where I have more than ten minutes at a time to do something. Yeah I think it's definitely a learning curve because when you ask me, what do I do for myself I can't even think I mean. Just last week I started running again in the evenings and that's not that's some me time but. It's also for me something else I need to do on my list like it's my exercise I hadn't hadn't been exercising so I had to find a way to fit in whereas I. Guess I guess I count that as me time as it is I do enjoy it but it's also. I mean I don't know. I enjoy sitting down and watching TV show and that just never happens anymore. So I think it's just a learning curve finding that time finding who I am again I think the running helps just sneaking that in. I think it's really funny that so many women slash bombs. Do something that is like self punishing like running. Out It, it's a lot of bang for your Buck Lake. Strip you don't if you if you're willing to get up at the crack of dawn, which is when I have to get up around like four fifteen in the morning. Bright. then. You don't have to worry about loading the kids in the car taking them to a gym checking them into child care like a an hour or forty five minute class at the gym winds a taking you two and a half hours when you. And I think that's why so many MOMS Ryan because. I can put on my shoes and be out the door in five minutes and however long I run get back in. Then I'm done like there's other additional time but I really need some advice from Laura on how to enjoy it because they've done it for five years now and I gotTa tell you I have like maybe two good runs a year where I mike. Oh. Good. Time I'm like this is good for me. You don't get the runner's high I do get the runner's high but not while I'm running. Badong. Specify. Listen to Mickey Mouse clubhouse and Sesame Street all day. So I really enjoy listening to my own brand of music while Iran and occasionally a good podcast or too. So then that's mostly what I enjoy about rutten. So something we kind of touched on just a little bit and I think it's super important in it's. The other question. That I see all the time, but it's something that adds to our identity is friendship. And having people that you can talk to and rely on and support you got. Aren't. Means sometimes especially as your kids get in school if they go to school ever again, Do. You have kind of built in friendships that come from. Your kids parents a lot of times or sports parents or you know if you're working, you have worked friends. And that changes to which is sometimes really disappointing. I know when I stopped working in an office full time I thought I'll keep an at nobody called me nobody called me and no fault of air is just you know things change in their different so I think having friends is super important portent. Bet As an adult making friends is really difficult. Shout Ota. She entered peanut APP and I've been flirting with girls all. Name. It's it's fun and they're all in your lucky. No I living Fleming. So it it takes my location and brings up MOMS in clemens that are on the Pena. APP, and he is chat. A I call it flirting like are you Texan those girlfriends again? because. That's what it feels like. It feels like your blurting to try and make friends, but it's agreeance swipe rights. It's nerve wracking, but it's fun and I've met a couple women that we haven't met them in person yet. But once you know we you feel more comfortable I'll definitely be open a meeting them at a park and it's it's women who are in the same boat as meal I'm I struggled because I'm stay at home So during the day, there's not a ton of stuff for George to do with other kids again Kobe. Begins but Yeah, this is giving me the opportunity to meet these women who are stay at home moms or work part time and have young kids like me. You can see how old their kids are on the air. It's awesome. It's Modern Day business card that used to. Whatever? The business cards. Important, way. To like figure out who you are right the company you keep your the company you keep. So and a lot of times I mean how many times have you? been hanging out with a friend and they're introducing you to something new and valuable than becomes an important part of your life and especially as moms having those people around us. That can. Help, guide us through those weird and sticky situations. Is Super Helpful. But I Feel really lucky to have some friends and my life that have introduced me to things like Bourbon. Things earn like important to me like I had a friend that when I first started running, she made me go out with her like it was a she really push to be, and then it turned out I, loved doing it or I love drink and Bourbon or Whatever it is that they. Throw. Me Guys found that I mean have you had some friends that have introduced you to something that has later become a part of who you are. No, probably, not recently for me. That's what I was thinking. I'm just saying this point new friends recently. SO THAT'S NOT A. Good example. I gotTA. Go to the house. A. Lot of my friends can't be. People that like my kids lives bring me in contact with if that makes sense Kelly skinless, like you have this team on friends, you have the you know whatever else here, the ballet mom friends and so I'm in the definite stage of life where a lot of my friendships revolve around things that we do like the summer pool friends and some of those friendships I think will last even beyond the stage. But I also had this salt lake you know so and so can't quit such and such a sport because those are my friends. Right, I'm sorry on into this anymore. Well, you're gonNA keep going but yet. So even then like it's like my friend group is still in some way tied. To me as a mock. But definitely, I do have friends who adventurous for like trying maybe new saying this but even then they tend to revolve around our kids still. And I think that's just harshly the nature of being. Home with your kids. All are part of this high. There with you. So the things you try are going to involve them. Kellyanne Laura do you have many friends right now that don't have kids. I have some I have some older friends. That don't have kids or and I have some friends that are empty nesters. So I kinda count them not having kids. which is heart. Can I remember? Having when I had my oldest, I had lots of single friends and lots of friends that didn't have kids and that was weird because that lake. It changes it changes a lot and. Because you don't have that commonality and it's hard when you don't have kids that you haven't had kids to understand that, your time is not the same. Your availability is not the same. Your priorities aren't the same and. That was a really hard transition for me. I feel like I have. A group that is younger than me and part of that might be like the role that I am in at Church and that like they're just tends to be some like mentoring relationships there. So I have a group of women. That are pre children pre marriage that are really. Integral to my life and I don't think that's necessarily a normal But I would I think it's mutually beneficial and that. Day like to have somebody in the next stage. And they also like my children. So sometimes, they helped me with my kids. I. I. Wish honestly that I had more of those multi generational friendships I wish I had more friends in the next stage in the emptiness stage like I. Kind, of crave that it's good to see people what people are doing on either side of where you are in your life. Make Sense. It gives you an they also. Yeah. They show you how like how do you come back right Mardi. Come back to yourself. And you said like a really important word that. I think this. Is Important for people especially women at any stage in their life, and that's mentor in our The priest at our Church said one time you should always have. Men T NBA, a mentor. Times like you should have you should be in the middle and you should have people that can help guide you than you should in turn be helping someone else and. Those are the friendships and they change because owned is a baby. Why does people go like that? Stupid Baby Voice. You being. Kill. But that's important right so if you're not. If you don't have a mentor find a mentor and if you aren't mentoring someone find someone to mentor. Like that that's good advice. I like your priest. Hover on out Saint Timothy's. If you hung out on lake some of the mom community grassroots like I've watched this before where like a desperate mama post thing and like everybody in her peer group Kinda comes in and it's group saying like you know, what do I do? My mother-in-law has taken me to the brink do I murder her? What is my? High. And everybody comes in and they're like, yeah, she's crazy blah blah blah lake, and then here comes the mom who's ten or fifteen years down the road and she's like, let me give you a different perspective and you can almost like here everybody else go. Oh Lake the wisdom of that additional life experience, and that is so needed an all of our lives play. Just invaluable but it's also I. Really Think it's fun to have younger women in my life if they had a lot of energy and find and error you know sometimes you really should do this. Coming here get the Tattoo not that I have yet but you know. They are the ones who come over and fix whatever it is on the phone like has made. Or? What what the new terminology is like they kind of bridge the gap between me and my kids. And you know, I, WanNa stay young enough that I'm still part of their lives if that makes sense. So. Yeah. It's good to go both ways. and. It's it's I. Think it's really inspiring and encouraging to see especially people who are older than me. Kind of getting back to the identity thing being comfortable with who they are and where they are and You're not really give a shit anymore about what other people think. People say and being secure in themselves, and that is like, Oh, one day one day. Maybe I'm GONNA feel like. Like that, all the time though and I think that's one of the hardest things about. Finding your identity is not just finding it bit being okay with it. I'm okay that this is who I am in. Loving like self. Love you know. And that's something that girl struggle with. From teeny tiny right from little bitty girls are struggling with being comfortable with who they are in it I don't think it ever stops until we're. Old Ladies as the poem when I'm a lady, I'll wear purple. Bomb. So you know I'll I'll send it out to look it up. It's how the the like when I'm an Old Lady I'll were purple and it's basically I'm not GonNa care about what anybody else thinks because this is who I am and this is what I want to do in. This is where I want to be isn't there an organization like a Mole and read, right. Is that what that's floor 'cause they don't care. My mother. Manhattan. Yeah. I mean I when I was younger I was like Oh, that's that's just a terrible color combination, but the older I get I'm like. I don't know I I care less than admire it more so. So, and I think there's something to be said for an all of this like. I feel like we're all looking for value in our identity and what we do and. Like, the thing I want my children to understand is that their value is intrinsic in them. It is placed in them because of who they are. And if if we could get back to that, then I feel like it would be easier to like weather the shifts of like this is the stage on in. You know like the values in me than it doesn't matter if I'm in a skinny stage or not? But that's It's hard. It is hard and it goes back to you. You are who you are not what you do. What you look like you know you're right your value is intrinsic. It is it is who you are. that's your identity not what? Not what you're doing or not doing. Absolutely. was. Deep guys. We're all work in progress. All right. Well I. Am Sinus here and then go Swipe on mom tinder. Do. our guys that's all for today if you have show idea or just want to chat with. US Talk to us about your identity. We'd love to hear from you. She has an email at triad mom's on the Mike at G MAIL DOT COM. 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The Campus Killer Pt. 1: Ted Bundy

Serial Killers

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The Campus Killer Pt. 1: Ted Bundy

"Due to the graphic nature of this killer's crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of abuse murder and sexual assault that some people may I find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. It was a clear January day in nineteen eighty thirty one year old. Stephen Michaud drove down highway. Sixteen in in Raeford Florida lush green fields stretched as far as the I could see insects hummed but once Steven Pass through the gates of the Florida State Prison. He entered a different world inside blue skies. gave way a too hard fluorescent lit interiors and despite the chilly temperature Stephen began to sweat. Stephen was about to enter one of the highest security facilities. The state could offer as he was escorted down the prison corridor by a team of armed guards. He could hear his heart heart pounding in his ears after all Stephen was no. FBI profiler or police. Detective he was just a journalist. His entourage guards took him through one last secure door. Stephen steeled himself as it swung open inside. A man sat at a metal table dressed in a pale. Orange prison issued uniform a chain around his waist. Stephen hesitated almost shocked the inmate before him was a regular looking guy in his thirty's handsome even even with is as clear blue as the Florida skies. The men smiled widely journalist. Beckoning him to sit down. As Stephen took a seat across from him and hit record on his tape player he had to remind himself who the man on the other side of the table was he was no ordinary prisoner or just a charming acquaintance. He was a monster in Carnet. Stephen Stephen was face to face with Ted Bundy. Hi I'm Greg Paulson. This is serial killers a podcast original all every Monday. We dive into the minds of madness of serial killers this week were covering the brutal murders committed by one of the most notorious serial killers of the twentieth century. Ted Bundy. I'm here with my co host Vanessa. Richardson Hi everyone. You can find episodes of serial killers and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream serial killers for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type serial killers killers in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at apar- cast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening it really does help this week? Will unpack Ted Bundy's traumatic early childhood as well as the events that chipped away at the last of his humanity precipitating tasting his first eight confirmed murders. Next week we'll track Ted as he embarks on a killing spree. That ends in the mutilation and murder order of dozens of young women in cities across the US. A bloody rampage. That spurred multiple arrests and trials leading him to become and one of America's most iconic murderers Ted Bundy was born. Feared are Robert Robert cowl on November twenty fourth nineteen forty six in Burlington Vermont. His mother twenty two year old. Louis call gave birth to Ted in a home for unwed mothers others. The identity of Ted's father to this day is unknown on his birth certificate. A man named Lloyd Marshall is listed. Ted's mother claimed that Marshall was a thirty year old former air force pilot however years later she mentioned another man a sailor by the name Jack Jack Worthington. Neither of these men however have been confirmed as Ted's true biological father. Some theory suggests that neither Lloyd Marshall Ignored Jack worthing ten existed at all leaving Ted for all intents and purposes fatherless. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg. Researchers have found that young children lacking a parent have difficulty forming deep interpersonal bonds and can develop serious emotional issues in adulthood. These individuals sometimes have a tendency to react aggressively or angrily to situations others might consider to be neutral according to mental health expert Jared Brown with the Minnesota Psychological Association. This behavior stems from a combination of perceived abandonment and attachment issues. But despite the absence of a biological father Ted Bundy was raised in the shadow of a different father. Figure one far from the example of empathy but he so desperately needed after after giving birth. Louise didn't intend to keep her son. She left the baby boy at the home for unwed mothers in Vermont and returned to Philadelphia to live with her parents but for months. His mother agonized over the decision to give him up. Ted's grandfather demanded that she bring the boy home. MM-HMM LOUISE's father. Sam cowl decided that he and Louise's mother. Eleanor would raise Ted as their own. They would tell him and everyone outside the Carter family family that they had adopted the three-month-old they would be as parents. Not Louise and Louise was to play. The part of her son's much older sister. This was not unheard of at the time. Some families decided to keep their illegitimate grandchildren a secret by claiming them as their own rather than face ridicule ridicule from their communities but intend Bundy's case being in his grandparents care was far more tumultuous than being raised by a young single angle mother. Samco Ted's grandfather was known to be exceptionally ruthless man. He was an alcoholic alchoholic with a violent temper and was reportedly cruel to animals. Some accounts claim that Sam kick family dogs and would throw the neighborhood cats around by the tails but his abuse wasn't just limited to pets. Sam also went on frequent violent rampages in the family home. He he said to have pushed one of his daughters down the stairs because she overslept and may have also abused his wife. Elinor a timid woman who suffered from severe depression and Gora Phobia eventually. Eleanor never left the house. It seemed no one was left unscathed from Sam cowles wrath or at least no one but little theodore. There's no evidence that Sam abused his grandson. According to Ted he was never the victim of his grandfathers violence or of any abuse for that matter. In fact he loved Sam and even looked up to him. Ted Often recounted his childhood hood in an idyllic almost unrealistic way and though he was far from reliable narrator because there are no documented accounts that he suffered childhood abuse. You very well may have been telling the truth though. We'll never know definitively if ted suffered any sort of abuse physical or psychological ecological at the hands of his grandfather. There's no doubt that he witnessed the abuse of his female relatives at a very early age. This experience would surely shaped his perception of manhood and very possibly his violent tendencies. According to social psychologists and Abuse Specialists Donald Donald Dutton children who experienced domestic violence are more likely to develop an abusive personality. Dutton found that male children in particular were or at a greater risk than their female counterparts of becoming abusers. This was especially true in the case of young boys who witnessed abuse against others rather than being directly victimized themselves a circumstance strikingly similar to the one young. Ted Bundy was raised in however tiddly lived under SAM calls tyranny for the first few years of his life in nineteen fifty when he was four Ted and his mother. Louise moved to Tacoma Washington to live with relatives. Ted was devastated to be taken from his beloved grandparents. Who He still believed? Were his adoptive parents but Louise was determined to start a new life with her son far from the abusive household she had grown up in in the summer. The one thousand nine hundred ninety one. Louise met Johnny Bundy at an adult singles night at the local Methodist Church. The too quickly fell in love and it wasn't long before they were married buried afterward. Johnny formerly adopted Ted. Giving him the name that would become so infamous decades later Ted Bundy but despite this gesture of love and acceptance Ted was never very fond of his stepfather. He described Johnny as dimwitted and resented the fact that he didn't earn much money as a military cook over the next ten years as louise and Johnny added four more children to the family. Ted became seem emotionally detached preferring to spend his time alone as a kid and especially as an adolescent. Ted was incredibly shy and self conscious inches. He had a speech impediment that often left him stuttering and he had few friends throughout his school years he generally struggled to fit in. However Ted's memory of his own childhood was entirely different? The picture that Ted constructed of his youth for psychologists and journalists was like a Norman Rockwell painting. He recalled summer days catching frogs and playing marbles and peewee football with neighborhood kids. He played up the fact that he was a boy scout and that every Sunday the entire Bundy clan went to church strangely. Ted's mother Louise echoed the saccharin picture of his youth. Even after his crimes were revealed she described as a very normal active boy. Our Son is the best son in the world. And perhaps Louise Truly did believe this about Ted after all. He became increasingly skilled at hiding his less savory activities. During his adolescence Ted began his criminal career as a peeping Tom. He would sneak off in the evenings. And Prowl his middle-class neighborhood to masturbate while he watched women through the windows of their homes. This voyeuristic streak eventually dominated more and more of Ted's life as a teenager. It became an all consuming routine and he would return to the same houses to watch the same women until the early hours of the morning morning. As far as we know Ted was never caught and as a result Louise was never conscious of this deviant side of her son in fact it seems no one was explicitly aware of Ted's darker inclinations but his peers always knew there was something off about Ted in high school. His classmates often said that Ted didn't seem to be all there. He was aloof and never got too close to anyone. He never went drinking and and despite developing into a relatively handsome young man he never attended school dances or dated at school. Just like at home. Ted was was a loner. Of course heads. Memory of his time in high school was once again different from reality he recounted being perhaps a bit straight edge but it also claimed he was a good student and talented athlete. In truth. Ted's classmates remember him being both a mediocre student and a lacklustre athlete eight. It seems Ted later over wrote his entire history with the version he wanted to be true. This is in part because Ted had a big ambitions for himself resentful of his family's lower middle-class economic status he was obsessed with elevating himself to something he felt was greater more elite. Ted Desperately wanted to be a successful lawyer or even president but he knew he'd only be able to accomplish these goals if if he became a particular kind of person someone Suave and intelligent popular and capable so he started rewriting the parts of his life. If that didn't fit the mold and soon he was given the ultimate opportunity to reinvent himself. He went to college after a year at the University of puget. Sound in one thousand nine hundred sixty six nine thousand nine year old Ted transferred to the University of Washington in Seattle and went to work reconstructing his identity he threw out his timid personality and formed an entirely new persona one that was intense intense but likable intellectual yet. All American he taught himself to smile with ease and talk with steady unwavering eye. Contact Act with each new person. He met he tried out this new self until he honed did to near perfection. Essentially Ted was practicing the charisma and charm arm of the kind of politician. He thought he wanted to be to gain more experience with this political persona firsthand. He volunteered on a local campaign around. One thousand nine hundred sixty seven. Ted Volunteered for Republican Nelson Rockefeller's presidential residential campaign working on the campaign trail gave him a built in social life. He never had suddenly. He had a group of friends campaign staffers and other volunteers and a variety of political functions to attend these events gave Ted real opportunities to test drive his sparkling personality with practice actus. He found he could strike up a conversation easily and fit in any function. These newfound social skills also landed him his first girlfriend in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven twenty year old. Ted Met Diana birds a fellow student at the University University of Washington. Diane was the kind of woman Ted Dreamed of. She was tall and beautiful with long dark hair. But it wasn't just Diane's looks that Ted adored. She also came from a wealthy family near San Francisco. She was worldly sophisticated upper class. Ted Ted swiftly fell in love. The two spent much of their time together going on drives arrives. They traveled across Washington State through dense forests seeking beautiful views on the mountains. Ted later said they also spent hours Kissing Diane Diane expensive car whispering sweet. Nothings to one another. Diane was most likely the first person to truly get close to Ted. She saw potential in him. She was attracted to his confidence and charm but she felt he could make something more of himself because she came from a wealthy influential family. Diana was looking to be with someone who could one day provider with the lifestyle. She'd become accustomed to meaning Ted with his humble middleclass brutes had everything to prove being with Diane meant becoming the kind of man she wanted him to be and her expectations began to compound compound. The pressures Ted already put on himself it only inflamed his insecurity when Diane Graduated From College in Nineteen eighteen sixty eight. She returned home to California the anxiety. Ted Harbert about whether or not he was good enough to stay with. Diane began to devour him. They tried to make the long distance relationship work. But that's summer Diane's letters began to dwindle and her calls became less frequent. Then she didn't write at all. Ted was devastated later. He recounted very little about this time other than consuming assuming emptiness he said in there somewhere was a desire to have some sort of revenge on Diane toward the end of that summer. I'm serious I just I. It's blank I don't know what the Hell I did. In that blind spot was Ted's dark descent. His slow metamorphosis us into the killer he was fated to become and when he finally arrived there would be no turning back. When we return? Ted Bundy's composure begins to crumble revealing the murderer underneath the facade. I WANNA take a moment to say thank you to all of our listeners because of you serial killers just reached its third anniversary. Three years of serial killers. Dealers isn't possible without your support so to commemorate this incredible anniversary and your loyalty serial killers will now be airing twice a week. That's right in addition addition to the regular Monday release of serial killers. You also get a brand new episode every Thursday so mark your calendar and get ready to hear US twice a week Every Monday and Thursday and thanks again for supporting serial killers now back to the story in Nineteen Sixty eight twenty one year old Ted. Bundy found himself utterly alone. His life in a tailspin. It seemed that he'd been faded to live masquerading as something. He was not no matter how he changed himself or how desperately he wanted it he would never never be the powerful debonair man. He imagined his efforts at self improvement had led to his first girlfriend Diane Edwards but eventually she had seen him for what he truly was and then she had abandoned him. It was perhaps the most painful thing he'd ever experienced the end of Ted's relationship with Diane was the first domino to fall in his twisted metamorphosis. The next his failed plans for the future that year Ted dropped out of college records of what he did during the end of one thousand nine hundred sixty eight and nineteen. sixty-nine are unclear but some accounts report that it was during this time he learned the truth about his identity about his birth. We don't know if Louise ever intended to tell held Ted the truth that she was his mother and not his older sister but regardless of her intentions. Ted beat her to the punch. He found a copy of his birth certificate with Louise's name listed as his biological mother and the word illegitimate listed near his own before that summer. Bummer Ted knew who he was. He was the son of Salmon. Eleanor cowl he was a student at the University of Washington and he was Diane Edwards is boyfriend then over a period of just one year each of those truths crumbled. He had a true crisis of identity. According to psychiatrist and Harvard Researcher Judith Herman Trauma Dismantles the systems that help support us whether they be social cultural. Or we're economic. When traumatic events destroy these protections we are disempowered therefore the process of trauma rehabilitation requires us to rebuild these systems to restore control over our own lives for Ted Bundy? His trauma recovery fueled his second transformation Shen and he was hell bent to take back the power he felt had been taken from him in nineteen sixty nine. At twenty two years old he seemingly became determined to pull himself up by his bootstraps that fall he re enrolled at the University of Washington. You then met another woman it Elizabeth Clip for Elizabeth or. Liz had long brown hair. She was a plane softspoken woman from a Mormon German family and the single mother of a young daughter. She was Ted's on again off again girlfriend for the next six years. Ted claimed he loved his is so much that it was destabilizing yet. He felt he could never fully opened up to her instead. He simply went through the motions of companionship helping her raise her young daughter washing the dishes taking out the garbage but in reality the entire time he was with Liz. Ted was still obsessed with his first girlfriend friend Diana Edwards over the next three years. Ted Did whatever he could to make himself into the kind of Man Diane had wanted wanted even while he was with Liz. He was determined to win. Diane Back Ted threw himself into school and even to more altruistic mystic activities in nineteen seventy one at twenty two. He began volunteering at the Seattle Crisis Clinic a suicide prevention hotline ironically elite during this time Ted Bundy actually saved two lives in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy two. He graduated from the University of Washington with a degree degree in psychology and began applying to law schools. He aimed high submitting himself to Ivy League institutions at the same time he also also continued his political pursuits working for the Washington State Republican Party for the first time Ted felt he was gaining traction. He had a promising promising career. Some money and was about to enroll in law school. It had taken time. But he rebuilt himself and in Nineteen seventy-three Ted finally finally felt he was ready to win. Diane back so while on a business trip in California that summer he contacted her and asked her to dinner that night Bundy was clean. Cut quaffed and as charming as Diane remembered but he it was more mature more sure of himself. She marveled at the confident way. He ordered for them both and the prestigious law schools. He casually mentioned he'd Applied Clyde to by the end of the night. Diana's captivated by the brand new Ted Bundy and when he invited her to visit him in Seattle. She eagerly agreed all the while. Ted continued to see Liz clever. One day he would be at Liz's house eating dinner with her and her daughter the next he would be whining raining in dining Diane and staying an expensive ski resorts for months. He lived a double life. And neither Liz nor Diane was the wiser he become incredibly adept at keeping these parts of his life. Separate this ability to live two different existences simultaneously was one of Ted Bundy's most defining features. Al Carlisle the prison psychologist colleges who analyzed Ted Years later called this tendency compartmentalization Carlisle explained compartmentalization as a sectioning off off of ideas or events into specific mental frames a person keeps distinct psychological boundaries between each of these frames in order to keep keep them separate like different realities inside the same mind. Carlao went on to say these so-called compartments help protect the ability of the person to to live multiple and often opposing lifestyles which are relatively immune from detection. This came in Handy for Ted in Nineteen Nineteen seventy-three the twenty six year old seamlessly juggled his to relationships with listen Diane for the better part of a year during that time Diane fell deeply doc in love with him and Ted seemingly felt the same way he and Diane even discussed marriage and Ted introduced her as his fiance to his friends at parties parties but that winter everything changed After the holidays Ted suddenly distanced himself from Diam with no explanation. He halted any discussion about marriage plans and when she came to visit him he was irritable and antagonistic after pursuing her for six years and after a month long passionate affair Ted suddenly turned cold. Diane was heartbroken when she returned to San Francisco. She wrote to him begging for an explanation but he never wrote back. She eventually called Ted Furious and yelled at him. Why was he doing this? His reply chilled children to the bone. He said flatly. I have no idea what you mean. Then he hung up. It's possible that Ted's pursuit of Diana after all those years was nothing but a power. Move Away to hurt her in the same way that she hurt him an eye for an I if this is true and he had always intended to make her fall in love with him only to reject her it would mean. The moment was literally years in the making being a deliberate sadistic plan. However there's a possibility that Ted hadn't intended to break up with Diane? Perhaps there were other the factors that play shortly. Before the break-up his grand plans of attending a prestigious law school fell through his Ivy League. Applications things were rejected has l sat score. Didn't make the cut instead. He was forced to accept admission to the University of puget. Sound a small Mall College located in his hometown of Tacoma. Ted was devastated. He hated himself for not being better for years he dreamed of becoming a successful lawyer and in some ways it was the entire premise of as rekindled relationship with Diane without that future richer he may have felt the need to reject Diane before she learned the truth. He certainly felt a consuming sense of failure. As Ted sod his future was was dimming the goals he had pursued for more than half a decade had disappeared in a puff of smoke. And so did his self control on January Fourth Nineteen seventy-four twenty-seven-year-old. Ted took a short walk from his apartment -partment at the University of Washington to a nearby housing complex. It was a familiar troll. He'd made several times before for days. Ted had observed the buildings bottom unit from his car. He discovered four university. Students lived there three young men and their lone female roommate. Eight eighteen year old Karen sparks. Karen was a freshman at U. W. and a dancer. She had a pretty girl next door. Look with a kind face face and long dark hair. She slept in the apartments basement bedroom fairly separated from her male roommates. Just after midnight Ted. Ed quietly broke into the apartment and entered. Karen's bedroom there. Ted stood in the doorway away crowbar in hand. He approached the bed where the young woman slept peacefully her breathing steady. Ted's breath however was rapid as he watched Karen's unconscious body her dark hair splayed on the pillow. He felt his mind begin to spiral. His his blood surged through every artery. Then he slammed the crew bar into her skull once he started and he couldn't stop again and again. He bludgeoned Karen blood spattered his face and his clothes in his rage. He broke a metal rod brought from her bed frame and sexually assaulted her concussed body after he was satisfied he slipped out of her bedroom. Door it into the night the next day. Karen's roommates assumed she was sleeping in for most of the afternoon. It wasn't wasn't until seven PM. The following night that they found her unconscious lying in a pool of her own blood but miraculously she was still alive the injuries karen spark sustained that night left her with permanent brain damage and physical disabilities but but it was only the start of Ted Bundy's reign of terror. One that continued for the next four years coming up Ted Bundy commits his first documented. Kill and begins a murderous rampage that rocked the Pacific northwest. Now back to the story in January of Nineteen Seventy Four twenty-seven-year-old ted. Bundy committed his first known attack and sexual assault on eighteen year. Old Karen sparks a freshman at the university diversity of Washington Karen managed to survive the brutal attack. Ted had attempted murder and failed but it wouldn't be long. He tried again that Winter Ted was enrolled in law school at the university. The puget sound at the beginning of the semester Ted diligently attended his classes but soon his normally perfect attendance faltered. Ted began skipping class to stock young women around campus. He case their apartments observing their comings and goings while sitting in his Tan. Volkswagen in bog he also resurrected his old peeping Tom Habits. He watched beautiful coeds for hours through their bedroom windows as as they went about their nightly routines it was better than anything he could find on. TV however Ted found is next victim not by prowling the streets beats around campus but by tuning into the radio talks twenty one year old. Linda and Healy was a senior at the University of Washington. Ashington as well as the host of a popular radio show that reported the weather conditions for local ski. Slopes she was well known among snow bunnies in the Seattle area. Ted was an avid skier. He picked up the sport while dating Diane when he was trying desperately to rub elbows with his wealthier peers. While Ted's love for Diana that died his passion for skiing lived on like many skiers in the area. Ted Undoubtedly tuned into Linda's reports but eventually he was listening for more than just a friendly voice announcing the daily snow conditions. He was casing his next victim in the early morning. Hours of February first. Nineteen seventy four less than a month after breaking into Karen sparks. Basement the department. Ted broke into Linda. Healy's home. He snuck past the rooms of her four sleeping roommates and intimate has better there. She lay fast to sleep. But Ted didn't take any chances. He immediately bludgeoned her in the head knocking her unconscious. This time. Ted had the new plan. He wasn't going to murder Linda in her bedroom and risk being caught instead he abducted her with Linda out cold. Ted removed her now bloodstained nightgown and dressed her in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt he then made her her bed concealing her bloody sheets and carried her away. Where Ted took Linda next is unclear wherever it was? He raped her her and murdered her then. He left her body on the side of Taylor Mountain over thirty miles east of Seattle. It was a horrific sequence sub events the first performance of routine that Ted would repeat dozens of times but Linda. Healy's disappearance wasn't just the beginning of Ted's bloodlust. It was also the start of a massive investigation. The next morning when Linda failed to show up to the radio station to broadcast her daily isky report. Her coworkers knew there was something amiss. Linda would never just not show up to work. She was responsible girl. Bright Successful restful and well known in the community not the kind of college student to disappear into thin air. The authorities expected foul play from the very beginning beginning. When police searched Linda's bedroom they found several items missing including a few pieces of Linda's clothes and her house keys? Mysteriously the back door was also left unlocked. Something Linda's room mates insisted she had never done before. When detectives peeled back the sheets on her perfectly made a bed? They discovered a small bloodstain upon further investigation. They found Linda's blood soaked nightgown in the closet. It was clear now someone had taken Linda Healy. It was all too familiar to the Seattle. PD They had seen a crime just as brutal brutal barely a month before and only blocks away. The attempted murder of Karen sparks. Finally the police had made a connection but it would be months before the investigation would gain traction. After Linda's murder her Ted was accelerated. And around this time Liz club for his long term girlfriend noticed a distinct change in him. His mood shifted at the drop of a hat. One Minute he was in high spirits has charming as ever and in the next is is went dark. Simple arguments arguments escalated into threats and broken furniture. It was the first time had seen him skirt towards violence his sexual habits changed as well though. Liz and Ted reportedly had a tender love life up to that point. He became aggressive coercing her into anal sex and insisting they experiment Roman with bondage but handcuffs in the bedroom with Liz wasn't enough to satisfy Ted. He continued prowling the streets of Seattle hunting for his next next victim. And during the Spring and summer of nineteen seventy four. He killed half a dozen young women in quick succession. Sources vary on the time. Line of Ted Bundy's killing spree but according to author and rules book the Stranger beside me. Ted's next victims uh-huh were claimed in the following order in March Ted abducted nineteen year old. Donna Manson from Evergreen State College in Olympia. While she was on her way to a concert cert- later he confessed to decapitating her and cremating her head in lists fireplace. Her remains were never found in April. Almost almost exactly a month later Ted abducted eighteen year old. Susan Ran Court from central Washington State College in Ellensburg. As she was walking to a film film-screening he murdered her and left her body on Taylor Mountain only a couple of weeks later on May Sixth Ted expanded his hunting grounds. He murdered twenty year old. Roberta Parks a student at Oregon State University. Four hours South Seattle three weeks after he returned from Oregon Ted spent the evening with Liz and her family loses relatives had gathered to celebrate her daughter's baptism. The next it's morning everyone was in high spirits. Liz who had been feeling troubled about Ted and his recent bizarre behavior filter worries ease. She watched him mm chat with a family member laughing and it's big infectious way. He was back to his usual charming self then. Suddenly Liz watched watched as Ted's expression changed it was like witnessing a storm drift to cross a bright sky. Suddenly his face went dark and the excused himself from the table. Ted left early that night without a word of explanation the next morning he was laid to Liz's daughter's baptism. Aw Loses. Thoughts immediately flew to her greatest fear. Ted was cheating on her with another woman but the truth was so so much worse after he excused himself from Liz's Family Gathering Ted raped and murdered twenty two year. Old Brenda Ball. His fifth confirmed victim. After a night of butchery he spent the next morning at a baptism. Ted Sudden Departure Church soon became a common occurrence more than a few times. Liz Fell Asleep next to ted only to wake up in the morning to find. He disappeared in the middle. I love the night. While Liz silently kept note of Ted's strange behavior the authorities also identified disturbing trend every month a a new college age. coeds seemed to disappear into thin air and by that summer the Pacific northwest was gripped in terror. Walking around college campuses began to feel like a living horror film hitchhiking which was a popular way for young people to get around at the time stopped almost entirely entirely girls in Seattle were even advised to travel in groups and to avoid walking through alleys. Perhaps the most eerie detail of the mysterious serious disappearances was the fact that each of the missing women bore a striking resemblance to one another. Almost every single victim was young white attractive active. That had long dark hair parted down the middle. They looked like Dianne Edwards the tendency to target victims who have a particular appearance or who resemble amble someone. A killer knows isn't uncommon. These shared characteristics between victims are referred to as a victim profile and Ted Bundy's was incredibly specific while we don't know if Ted's gravitation toward young women who looked like Diane was conscious. It's doubtful that his victims resemblance blends to his first. Love was a coincidence. However Ted later denied that he deliberately sought out particular type of target instead he? He claimed that the only common denominator between his victims was that they were young and fairly attractive. But it's very likely that the strong pattern Saturn and Ted's victim profiles was born of his breakup with Diane according to Doctor. Mary Ellen O'Toole a former FBI profiler specializing and psychopathy Killers victim preference is often developed based on a combination of what victims are available accessible and desirable at the time when a killer begins their murders and for Ted Dabo Gang of Diane Edwards. Were most likely the focus of his blood lost in the winter of nineteen seventy four. When ted I began killing he was right on the heels of his second? Break up with Diane. It's very possible that at at that time Ted had an insatiable urge to keep hurting her even after unceremoniously cutting off the relationship so he presumably would have been looking for a sort sort of surrogate for Diana on whom he could inflict pain with that desire in place. Ted looked around to see who was available and accessible muscle and for Ted a law student. Who lived very near the University of Washington campus? Female College students were in high supply. Thus Tad's victim profile was born and Ted's profile was more precise than most throughout his four-year killing streak he rarely straight from murdering his victims who fell exactly in line with the characteristics he was looking for essentially Ted had type and a Seattle police took took notice but while they recognized the pattern of victims police had no leads on the killer alert himself no suspects all they could do was watch helplessly as women continue to disappear across the Pacific northwest their only hope was that the next time the Predator struck he'd make a misstep leave something behind or botch a murder attempt. Detectives knew that in order for a killer to become so careless. They I had to grow comfortable and for Ted Bundy. Murder felt all to natural by the summer of Nineteen seventy-four. Ted's transformation into a serial killer was complete elite with each and every murder. His Ego only grew and his kills became more and more brazen that July his the era gance finally outranked his own. Good Judgment Ted abducted and murdered two women on the same day in Broad Daylight Light July fourteenth nineteen seventy four was a beautiful Sunday afternoon. Noon at Lake Sammamish just east of Seattle. It was a busy day for the park. Nearly forty thousand people had come to enjoy the lakes cool waters and onto picnic on its shores but Ted Bundy had different plans. Ted arrived at the lake and Casual Beach clothing and wearing an arm arm sling. He began approaching young women explaining. He was having a hard time loading his sailboat into his car with his injured arm then he asked them if they would be willing to come to the parking lot and help him out. Many women politely declined but to agreed to help. The poor injured entered man nineteen year. Old Denise Naslund Ted second victim that day had left her friends to use the park bathrooms when she encountered this seemingly helpless Ted Undoubtedly. She realized her mistake as they approached his car. It wasn't a pickup but rather a tiny rainy. Vw Bug with no sailboat in sight but by that point far from the crowds of people at the beach it was too late. Ted's first victim that day had been a beautiful young woman. He spotted sitting on a blanket and a yellow Bikini twenty-three-year-old Janna Sant- witnesses observed a man approach Janice. They described him as handsome with an unidentifiable vaguely British accent before Janice walked off with him. They hurt Janice introduce yourself then. So did the stranger his name was. Ted Seattle's mysterious Darius coed killer had finally made a critical mistake. He'd left behind one vital clue his real name. Thanks again for tuning in to serial killers will be back Monday with part. Two of Ted Bundy will continue to track. 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S10: Infamous: Ted Bundy Pt. 1

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S10: Infamous: Ted Bundy Pt. 1

"We kick off this new month of Parkas presents with a truly infamous name. Ted Bundy. No one has the campus killer Monte committed dozens of murders over the course of his four year rampage, and continue to captivate the nation after he was caught. If you enjoy these episodes and want to hear more about history's most notorious murderers follow the series serial killers free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Due to the graphic nature of this killer's crimes, listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of abuse, murder and sexual assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. It was a clear January day in nineteen eighty thirty one year old Stephen. Michaud drove down highway sixteen in Raeford. Florida lush green fields stretched as far as the I could see. Insects Hummed, but once Steven Pass through the gates of the Florida State Prison. He entered a different world. Inside blue skies gave way too hard, fluorescent lit interiors, and despite the chilly temperature, Stephen began to sweat. Stephen was about to enter one of the highest security facilities the state could offer as he was escorted down the prison corridor by a team of armed guards he could hear his heart pounding in his ears, after all Stephen was no FBI profiler or police detective. He was just a journalist. His entourage of guards took him through one last secure door. Stephen steeled himself as it swung open. Inside, a man sat at a metal table, dressed in a pale orange prison issued uniform a chain around his waist. Stephen hesitated almost shocked the inmate before him was a regular looking guy in his thirties handsome, even with is as clear blue as the Florida skies. The man smiled widely journalist, beckoning him to sit down. As Stephen took a seat across from him and hit record on his tape player. He had to remind himself who the man on the other side of the table was. He, was no ordinary prisoner. Or just a charming acquaintance. He was a monster incarnate. Stephen was face to face with Ted Bundy. Hi I'm Greg Poulsen this is serial killers. A podcast original every Monday. We dive into the minds of madness of serial killers this week, recovering the brutal murders committed by one of the most notorious serial killers of the twentieth century. Ted Bundy. I'm here with my co host Vanessa Richardson Hi everyone you can find episodes of serial killers, and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream serial killers for free on spotify just open the APP and type serial killers in the search bar at podcast. Grateful for you, our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know we're doing. Reach out on facebook and Instagram at Park, cast and twitter at our cast network, and if you enjoy today's episode, the best way to help us is to leave a five star. Review wherever you're listening. It really does help. This week we'll unpack Ted Bundy's traumatic early childhood as well as the events that chipped away at the last of his humanity, precipitating his first eight confirmed murders. Next week we'll track Ted as he embarks on a killing spree that ends in the mutilation and murder of dozens of young women in cities across the US a bloody rampage that spurred multiple arrests and trials, leading him to become one of America's most iconic murderers. Ted Bundy was born, feared are Robert cowl on November, twenty, four, th nineteen, forty six in Burlington Vermont. Mother twenty two year old Louis Call gave birth to Ted in a home for unwed mothers. The identity of Ted's father to this day is unknown on his birth certificate. A man named Lloyd Marshall is listed. Ted's mother claimed that Marshall was a thirty year old former air force pilot however years later, she mentioned another man a sailor by the name Jack Worthington. Neither of these men however have been confirmed as Ted's true biological father. Some theory suggests that neither Lloyd Marshall Nor Jack worthing ten existed at all leaving Ted for all intents and purposes fatherless. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg. Researchers have found that young children lacking apparent have difficulty forming deep interpersonal bonds, and can develop serious emotional issues and adulthood. These individuals sometimes have a tendency to react aggressively or angrily to situations, others might consider to be neutral. According, to mental health expert, jared brown with the Minnesota psychological. Association this behavior stems from a combination of perceived abandonment and attachment issues. But, despite the absence of a biological father Ted Bundy was raised in the shadow of a different father figure one far from the example of empathy, but he so desperately needed. After giving birth Louise didn't intend to keep her son. She left the baby boy at the home for unwed mothers Vermont, and returned to Philadelphia to live with her parents, but for months his mother agonized over the decision to give him up. Ted's grandfather demanded that she bring the boy home. Louise's Father Sam Cole decided that he and Louise's mother eleanor would raise Ted as their own. They would tell him and everyone outside the Carter family that they had adopted the three-month-old. They would be as parents not. Louise and Louise was to play the part of her son's much older sister. This was not unheard of at the time. Some families decided to keep their illegitimate grandchildren a secret by claiming them as their own rather than face, ridicule from their communities, but intend Bundy's case being in his grandparents, care was far more tumultuous than being raised by a young single mother. Sam Carl Ted's grandfather was known to be exceptionally ruthless man. He was an alcoholic with a violent temper. and was reportedly cruel to animals. Some accounts claim that Sam kick the family dogs and would throw the neighborhood cats around by the tails. But his abuse wasn't just limited to pets Sam also went on frequent violent rampages in the family home. He said to have pushed one of his daughters down the stairs because she overslept and may have also abused his wife Eleanor a timid woman who suffered from severe depression and Gora Phobia. Eventually, eleanor never left the house. It seemed no one was left unscathed from Sam. cowles wrath, or at least no one but little theodore. There's no evidence that Sam abused his grandson. According to Ted, he was never the victim of his grandfather's violence or of any abuse. For that matter. In fact, he loved Sam and even looked up to him. Ted Often recounted his childhood, an idyllic, almost unrealistic way, and though he was far from a reliable narrator, because there are no documented accounts that he suffered childhood abuse. He very well may have been telling the truth. Though we'll never know definitively if ted suffered any sort of abuse, physical or psychological at the hands of his grandfather, there's no doubt that he witnessed the abuse of his female relatives at a very early age. This experience would have surely shaped his perception of manhood, and very possibly his violent tendencies. According to social psychologist and Abuse Specialists Donald Dutton. Children who experienced domestic violence are more likely to develop an abusive personality. Dutton found that male children in particular were at a greater risk than their female counterparts of becoming abusers. This was especially true in the case of young boys who witnessed abuse against others rather than being directly victimized themselves a circumstance, strikingly similar to the one young Ted Bundy was raised in. However Ted, only lived under SAM calls tyranny for first few years of his life in nineteen fifty, when he was four Ted, and his mother Louise, moved to Tacoma Washington to live with relatives. Ted was devastated to be taken from his beloved grandparents, who he still believed were his adoptive parents, but Louise was determined to start a new life with her son far from the abusive household she'd grown up in. In. The summer of nineteen fifty one louis met Johnny Bundy at an adult singles night at the local Methodist Church, the too quickly fell in love, and it wasn't long before they were married afterward Johnny, formerly Ted giving him the name that would become so infamous decades later. Ted Bundy. But despite this gesture of love and acceptance Ted was never very fond of his stepfather. He described Johnny as dimwitted and resented the fact that he didn't earn much money. As a military cook over the next ten years as louise and Johnny added four more children to the family, Ted became emotionally detached, preferring to spend his time alone. As a kid, and especially as an adolescent Ted was incredibly shy and self conscious. He had a speech impediment that often left him stuttering, and he had few friends throughout his school years. He generally struggled to fit in however Ted's memory of his own childhood was entirely different. The picture that Ted constructed of his youth for psychologists and journalists was like a Norman Rockwell painting. He recalled summer days, catching frogs and Playing Marbles and pee wee football with neighborhood kids. He played up the fact that he was a boy scout, and that every Sunday the entire Bundy clan went to church. Strangely Ted's mother Louise echoed this saccharin picture of his youth. Even after his crimes were revealed, she described it as a very normal active boy. Our Son is the best son in the world. And perhaps Louise Truly did believe this about Ted. After all, he became increasingly skilled at hiding his less savory activities. During his adolescence, Ted began his criminal career as a peeping Tom. He would sneak off into evenings and prowl his middle-class. To Masturbate while he watched women through the windows of their homes, this voyeuristic streak eventually dominated more and more of Ted's life as a teenager, it became an all consuming routine, and he would return to the same houses to watch the same women until the early hours of the morning. As far as we know Ted, was never caught, and as a result, Louise was never conscious of this deviant side of her son. In fact, it seems no one was explicitly aware of Ted's darker inclinations, but his peers always knew there was something off about Ted. In High School, his classmates often said that Ted didn't seem to be all there. He was aloof and never got too close to anyone. He never went drinking. And despite developing into a relatively handsome young man, he never attended school dances, or dated at school, just like at home Ted was a loner of course heads memory of his time in high school was once again different from reality he recounted being perhaps a bit straight edge, but also claimed he was a good student and talented athlete. In Truth Ted's classmates remember him being both a mediocre student and a lacklustre athlete. It seems Ted later over wrote his entire history with the version. He wanted to be true. This is in part because Ted had big ambitions for himself. Resentful of is families lower middle-class economic status. He was obsessed with elevating himself to something he felt was greater more elite. Ted Desperately wanted to be a successful lawyer or even president, but he knew he'd only be able to accomplish these goals if he became a particular kind of person, someone Suave and intelligent, popular and capable, so he started rewriting the parts of his life that didn't fit the mold, and soon he was given the ultimate opportunity to reinvent himself. He went to college. After a year at the University of puget sound in nineteen, sixty, six, nine, thousand nine year, old Ted transferred to the University of Washington in Seattle and went to work reconstructing his identity, he threw out his timid personality, and formed an entirely new persona one that was intense, but likable, intellectual yet all American he taught himself to smile with ease and talk with steady unwavering eye contact with each new person he met, he tried out this new self until he honed it to near Perfection Essentially Ted was practicing the charisma and charm of the kind of politician thought he wanted to be to gain more experience with this political persona firsthand. He volunteered on a local campaign. Around one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven, ted volunteered for Republican Nelson Rockefeller's presidential campaign, working the campaign trail gave him a built in social life. He never had suddenly he had a group of friends, campaign staffers and other volunteers and a variety of political functions to attend. These events gave Ted real opportunities to test drive his sparkling personality with practice. He found he could strike up a conversation easily and fit in at any function. These newfound social skills also landed him his first girlfriend. In one thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, seven twenty year old Ted met Diana birds a fellow student at the University of Washington, Diane was the kind of woman Ted Dreamed of. She was tall and beautiful with long dark hair, but it wasn't just Diane's looks that Ted adored. She also came from a wealthy family near San Francisco. She was worldly, sophisticated upper class. Ted Swiftly fell in love. The two spent much of their time together going on drives, they traveled across Washington state through dense forests, seeking beautiful views on the mountains Ted, later said they also spent hours Kissing Diane expensive car, whispering sweet nothings to one, another Diane was most likely the first person to truly get close to Ted. She saw potential in him. She was attracted to his confidence and charm, but she felt he could make something more of himself. Because she came from a wealthy influential family. Diane was looking to be someone who could one day provider with the lifestyle. She become accustomed to meaning Ted with his humble middleclass roots had everything to prove. Being with Diane men, becoming the kind of man she wanted him to be, and her expectations began to compound the pressures Ted already put on himself. It only inflamed his insecurity. When Diane graduated from College in Nineteen Sixty Eight. She returned home to California the anxiety Ted Harbert about whether or not he was good enough to stay with Diane began to devour him. They tried to make the long distance relationship work, but that's summer Diane's letters began to dwindle, and her calls became less frequent then she didn't write at all. Ted was devastated. Later he recounted very little about this time. Other than consuming emptiness, he said in there somewhere was a desire to have some sort of revenge on Diane. Would toward the end of that summer I'm serious. I! Just it's blank. I don't know what the Hell I did in that blind spot was ted's dark descent. His slow metamorphosis into the killer. He was fated to become. And when he finally arrived, there would be no turning back. When we return Ted Bundy's composure begins to crumble revealing the murderer underneath the facade now back to the story. In Nineteen Sixty eight twenty one year old Ted, Bundy found himself utterly alone his life in a tailspin. It seemed that he'd been faded to live masquerading as something. He was not no matter how he changed himself, or how desperately he wanted it, he would never be the powerful debonair man. He imagined his efforts at self improvement had led to his first girlfriend Diane Edwards, but eventually she had seen him for what he truly was, and then she'd abandoned him. It was perhaps the most painful thing he'd ever experienced. The end of Ted's relationship with Diane was the first Domino to fall in his twisted metamorphosis, the next his failed plans for the future. That year, Ted dropped out of college records of what he did. During the end of nineteen, Sixty, eight and nineteen, sixty-nine are unclear, but some accounts report that it was during this time. He learned the truth about his identity about his birth. We don't know if Louise ever intended to tell Ted the truth that she was his mother, and not his older sister, but regardless of her intentions Ted beat her to the punch. He found a copy of his birth certificate with Louise's name listed as his biological mother, and the word illegitimate listed near his own. Before that summer. Ted knew who he was. He was the son of Salmon Eleanor cowl. He was a student at the University of Washington and he was Diane Edwards Boyfriend then over a period of just one year, each of those truths crumbled. He had a true crisis of identity, according to psychiatrist and Harvard Researcher Judith Herman Trauma Dismantles the systems that help. Help support us whether they be social, cultural or economic. When traumatic events destroy these protections, we are disempowered. Therefore, the process of trauma rehabilitation requires us to rebuild these systems to restore control over our own lives for Ted Bundy. His trauma recovery fueled his second transformation, and he was hell bent to take back. The power he felt had been taken from him. In Nineteen, sixty nine at twenty two years old, he seemingly became determined to pull himself up by his bootstraps that fall. He re enrolled at the University of Washington and met another woman Elizabeth Clip, for Elizabeth or Liz had long brown hair. She was a plane spoken woman from a Mormon family and the single mother of a young daughter. She was Ted's on again off again, girlfriend. Girlfriend, for the next six years. Ted claimed loved Liz so much that it was destabilizing yet he felt he could never fully opened up to her. Instead he simply went through the motions of companionship, helping a raise, her young daughter, washing the dishes, taking out the garbage, but in reality the entire time he was with Liz, Ted was still obsessed with his first girlfriend Diana Edwards. Over the next three years Ted did whatever he could to make himself into the kind of Man Diane had wanted even while he was with Liz. He was determined to win. Diane back. Ted Threw himself into school and even into more altruistic activities in nineteen, seventy, one at twenty two, he began volunteering at the Seattle. Crisis Clinic, a suicide prevention hotline ironically during this time Ted Bundy actually saved two lives in nineteen, seventy two. He graduated from the University of Washington with a degree in psychology and began applying to law schools. He aimed high submitting himself to Ivy League institutions. At the same time. He also continued his political pursuits working for the Washington State Republican Party. For the first time Ted he was gaining traction. He had a promising career some money and was about to enroll in law school. It had taken time, but He'd rebuilt himself, and in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three Ted finally felt he was ready to win Diane back, so while on a business trip in California that summer he contacted her asked to dinner. That night Bundy was clean cut quaffed, and as charming as Diane remembered, but he more mature more sure of himself. She marveled at the confident way he ordered for them both and the prestigious law schools. He casually mentioned he applied to by the end of the night Diane was captivated by the brand new Ted, Bundy, and when he invited her to visit him in Seattle, she eagerly agreed. All the while Ted Continue to see Liz Club for one day he would be at Liz's house, eating dinner with her and her daughter the next he would be wining and dining Diane and staying an expensive ski resorts for months he lived a double life and neither Liz. Was the wiser he become incredibly adept at keeping these parts of his life. This ability to live two different existences simultaneously was one of Ted Bundy's most defining features. Al Carlisle the prison. Psychologist who analyze Ted. Years later called this tendency compartmentalization. Carlisle explained compartmentalization as a sectioning off of ideas or events into specific mental frames. A person keeps distinct psychological boundaries between each of these frames in order to keep them separate like different realities inside the same mind. Carlisle went on to say these so called compartments help protect the ability of the person to live multiple and often opposing lifestyles which are relatively immune from detection. This came in Handy for Ted in Nineteen, seventy, three, the twenty six year old seamlessly juggled his to relationships with Liz Diane for the better part of a year during that time, Diane fell deeply back in love with him and Ted seemingly felt the same way he and Diane even discussed. Marriage and Ted introduced her as his fiance to his friends at parties, but that winter everything changed. After the holidays, Ted suddenly distanced himself from Diane with no explanation, he halted any discussion about marriage plans. And when she came to visit him, he was irreparable and antagonistic after pursuing her for six years that after a months-long passionate affair, ted suddenly turned cold. Diane was heartbroken when she returned to San Francisco, she wrote to him begging for an explanation, but he never wrote back. She eventually called ten furious and yelled at him. Why was he doing this? His reply chilver to the bone. He said flatly I have no idea what you mean. Then he hung up. It's possible that Ted's pursuit of Diana after all those years was nothing, but a power move away to hurt her in the same way that she hurt him an eye for an eye if this is true, and he had always intended to make her fall in love with him, only to reject her. It would mean the moment was literally years in the making a deliberate sadistic plan. However there's a possibility that Ted hadn't intended to break up with Diane. Perhaps there were other factors at play. Shortly before the break-up, his grand plans of attending a prestigious law school fell through his ivy. League applications were rejected. His L SAT. Score didn't make the cut instead he was forced to accept admission to the University of puget sound, a small college located in his hometown of Tacoma. Ted was devastated. He hated himself for not being better for years he dreamed of becoming a successful lawyer, and in some ways it was the entire premise of as rekindled relationship with Diane without that future he may have felt the need to reject Diane before she learned the truth, he certainly felt a consuming sense of failure as Ted Sod, his future was dimming the goals he had pursued for more than half a decade had disappeared in a puff of smoke, and so did his self control. On January Fourth Nineteen Seventy four, twenty seven-year-old ted took a short walk from his apartment at the University of Washington to a nearby housing complex. It was a familiar stroll. He'd made several times before for days. Ted had observed the buildings bottom unit from his car. He discovered for university. Students lived there, three young men and their lone female roommate eighteen year old. Karen Sparks Karen was a freshman at U. W. at a dancer. She had a pretty girl next door. Look with a kind face and long dark hair. She slept in the apartments. Bedroom fairly separated from her male roommates. Just after midnight Ted quietly broke into the apartment and entered Karen's bedroom. There Ted stood in the doorway crowbar in hand. He approached the bed where the young woman slept peacefully. Her breathing steady Ted's breath. Was Rapid. As. He watched Karen's unconscious body. Her dark hair splayed on the pillow. He felt his mind begin to spiral. His blood surged through every artery then he slammed the crowbar into her skull. Once, he started he couldn't stop. Again and again he bludgeoned Karen Blood, spattered his face, and his clothes in his rage, he broke a metal rod from her bed frame, and sexually assaulted her concussed body. After he was satisfied, he slipped out of her bedroom door and into the night. The next day Karen's roommates assumed she was sleeping in for most of the afternoon, it wasn't until seven pm the following night that they found her unconscious lying in a pool of her own blood, but miraculously she was still alive. The injuries Karen sparks sustained that night left her with permanent brain, damage and physical disabilities, but it was only the start of Ted. Bundy's reign of terror one that continued for the next four years. Coming up, Ted Bundy commits is first documented kill and begins a murderous rampage that rocked the Pacific northwest now back to the story. In January of Nineteen seventy four twenty. Ted Bundy committed his first known attack and sexual assault on eighteen year old Karen sparks a freshman at the University of Washington. Karen managed to survive the brutal attack. Ted had attempted murder and failed, but it wouldn't be long until he tried to get. That Winter Ted was enrolled in law school at the University of puget sound at the beginning of the semester Ted diligently attended his classes, but soon his normally perfect attendance faltered Ted began skipping class to stock young women around campus. He case their apartments, observing their comings and goings while sitting in his ten Volkswagen bug. He also resurrected his old peeping Tom Habits. He watched beautiful coeds for hours through their bedroom windows. As they went about their nightly routines, it was better than anything he could find on TV. However. Ted found his next victim not by prowling the streets around campus, but by tuning into the radio. Twenty one year old Linda and healy was a senior at the University of Washington as well as the host of a popular radio show. That reported the weather conditions for local ski slopes. She was well known among snow bunnies in the Seattle. Area Ted was an avid skier. He picked up the sport while dating Diane when he was trying desperately to rub elbows with his wealthier peers while. For Diane, had died his passion for skiing live dog. Like many skiers in the area ted, undoubtedly tuned into Linda's reports, but eventually he was listening for more than just a friendly voice, announcing the daily snow conditions. He was casing his next victim. In the early morning hours of February first nineteen, seventy, four less than a month after breaking into Karen Sparks Basement apartment Ted broke into Linda Healy's home. He snuck past the rooms of four sleeping roommates and intimate as better. There, she lay fast asleep, but Ted didn't take any chances. He immediately bludgeoned her in the head, knocking her unconscious. This time Ted had a new plan. He wasn't going to murder Linda in her bedroom and risk being caught instead he abducted her. With Linda out cold Ted removed her now bloodstained nightgown and dressed her in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. He then made her bed concealing her bloody sheets and carried her away where Ted took Linda next is unclear wherever it was, he raped her and murdered her, then he left her body on the side of Taylor Mountain over thirty miles east of Seattle, it was a horrific sequence events, the first performance of a routine Ted would repeat dozens of times, but Linda Healy's disappearance wasn't just the beginning of Ted's bloodlust. It was also the start of a massive investigation. The next morning when Linda failed to show up to the radio station to broadcast her daily Ski Report, her coworkers knew there was something amiss. Linda would never just not show up to work. She was responsible, girl, bright, successful, and well known in the community, not the kind of college student to disappear into thin air. The authorities expected foul play from the very beginning. When police searched Linda's bedroom. They found several items missing including a few pieces of Linda's clothes and her house keys mysteriously, the back door was also left unlocked. Something Linda's roommates insisted she had never done before. When detectives peeled back the sheets on her perfectly made bed, they discovered a small bloodstain upon further investigation. They found Linda's blood soaked nightgown in the closet. It was clear now. Someone had taken Linda Healy. It was all too familiar to the Seattle PD. They had seen a crime just as brutal barely a month before and only blocks away. The attempted murder of Karen sparks. Finally, the police had made a connection, but it would be months before the investigation would gain traction. After Linda's murder Ted was exhilarated at around this time. Liz Club for his long term girlfriend noticed a distinct challenging him. His mood shifted at the drop of a hat. One Minute he was in high spirits has charming as ever, and in the next is is went dark. Simple arguments escalated into threats and broken furniture. It was the first time had seen him skirt towards violence his. Habits changed as well though Liz and Ted reportedly had a tender love life up to that point, he became aggressive coercing her into anal sex, and insisting they experiment with bondage. But handcuffs in the bedroom with Liz wasn't enough to satisfy Ted. He continued prowling the streets of Seattle hunting for his next victim, and during the spring and summer of Nineteen, seventy four. He killed half a dozen young women in quick, succession. Sources vary on the time line of Ted Bundy's killing spree, but according to author and rules book the Stranger beside me. Ted's next victims were claimed in the following order in March Ted abducted nineteen year old Donna Manson from Evergreen State College in Olympia while she was on her way to a concert. Later. He confessed to decapitating her and. Her head in lists fireplace. Her remains were never found in April almost exactly a month later, Ted abducted eighteen year old Susan ran court from central Washington State College and Ellensburg as she was walking to a film screening. He murdered her and left her body on Taylor Mountain. Only a couple of weeks later on May Sixth Ted expanded hunting grounds. He murdered twenty year old Roberta Parks a student. At Oregon State University four our south of Seattle. Three weeks after he returned from Oregon Ted spent the evening with Liz and her family. Liz's relatives had gathered to celebrate her daughter's baptism the next morning everyone was in high spirits. Liz, who had been feeling troubled about Ted and his recent bizarre behavior filter worries ease as she watched him chat with a family member laughing and it's big infectious way. He was back to his usual charming self. Then suddenly, Liz watched as an expression changed, it was like witnessing a storm drift across a bright sky, suddenly his face went dark, and he excused himself from the table. Ted left early that night. Without a word of explanation the next morning. He was late his daughter's baptism. Liz's thoughts immediately flew to her greatest fear. Ted was cheating on her with another woman, but the truth was so much worse. After he'd excused himself from Louise's Family Gathering Ted raped and murdered twenty two year old, Brenda Ball. His fifth confirmed victim. After a night of butchery, he spent the next morning at a baptism. Ted Sudden departures soon became a common occurrence more than a few times Liz fell asleep next to ted only to wake up in the morning to find. He disappeared in the middle of the night, while Liz silently kept note of Ted's strange behavior. The authorities also identified a disturbing trend. Every month a new college age coeds seemed to disappear into thin air, and by that summer the Pacific northwest was gripped in terror, walking around college campuses began to feel like living horror film hitch-hiking, which was a popular way for young people to get around the time stopped almost entirely. Girls in Seattle were even advised to travel in groups and to avoid walking through alleys. Perhaps the most eerie detail of mysterious disappearances was the fact that each of missing women borough striking resemblance to one another almost every single victim was young, white, attractive, and had long dark hair parted domino. They looked like. Diane. The tendency to target victims who have a particular appearance or who resemble someone a killer knows isn't uncommon. These shared characteristics between victims are referred to as a victim profile and Ted. Bundy's was incredibly specific. We don't know if Ted's gravitation. Toward young women who looked like Diane was conscious. It's doubtful that his victims resemblance to his first love was a coincidence. However Ted later denied that he deliberately sought out a particular type of target. Instead he claimed that the only common denominator between his victims was that they were young and fairly attractive. But it's very likely that the strong pattern and Ted's victim profiles was born of his breakup with Diane according to Doctor Mary Ellen O'Toole a former FBI profiler specializing in psychopathy. A killers victim preference is often developed based on a combination of what victims are available, accessible and desirable at the time when a killer begins their murders, and for Ted Dabo gangs of Diane. Edwards were most likely the focus of his blood lost. In the winter of Nineteen, seventy, four, when ted I began killing, he was right on the heels of his second break up with Diane. It's very possible that at that time Ted had an insatiable urge to keep hurting her, even after unceremoniously cutting off the relationship, so he presumably would have been looking for a sort of surrogate for Diana on whom he could inflict pain. With that desire in place Ted looked around to see who was available and accessible, and for Ted, a law student, who lived very near the University of Washington campus, female college students were in high supply. Thus Ted's victim profile was born. and Ted's profile was more precise than most throughout his four-year killing streak. He rarely strayed from murdering his victims, who foul exactly in line with the characteristics he was looking for essentially. Ted had type. And a Seattle police took notice. But while they recognized the pattern of victims, police had no leads on the killer himself no suspects. All they could do watch helplessly. As women continue to disappear across the Pacific Northwest. Their only hope was that the next time the predators truck he'd make a misstep. Leave something behind or bought a murder attempt detectives knew that in order for a killer to become so careless they I had to grow comfortable and for Ted Bundy murder felt all to. Deal. By the summer of nineteen seventy four, TED's transformation into a serial killer was complete with each and every murder. His ego only grew, and his kills became more and more brazen. That July his arrogance finally outranked his own good judgment. Ted Abducted and murdered two women on the same day in broad daylight. July fourteenth, nineteen, seventy four was a beautiful Sunday afternoon at Lake Sammamish just east of Seattle. It was a busy day for the park. Nearly forty thousand people had come to enjoy. The lakes cool waters and to picnic on its shores. But Ted Bundy had different plans. Ted arrived at the lake in Casual Beach Clothing and wearing an arm sling, he began approaching young women, explaining he was having a hard time loading his sailboat into his car with his injured arm then he asked them if they would be willing to come to the parking lot and help him out. Many women politely declined, but to agreed to help the poor injured man. Nineteen year old denise. Ted Second victim that day. Had left her friends to use the park bathrooms when she encountered this seemingly helpless Ted. doubtedly realized her mistake as they approached his car, it wasn't a pickup, but rather a tiny vw bug with no sailboat in sight, but by that point far from the crowds of people at the beach. It was too late. Ted's first victim that day had been a beautiful young woman. He spotted sitting on a blanket and a yellow Bikini twenty-three-year-old genocide. Witnesses observed a man approach, Janice they described him as handsome with an unidentifiable, vaguely British accent before Janice walked off with him, they heard Janice introduce yourself then so did the stranger his name was Ted. Seattle's mysterious co ED killer had finally made a critical mistake. He'd left behind one vital clue his real name. Thanks again for tuning in to serial killers will be back Monday with part. Two of Bundy will continue to track Ted's prolific and gruesome spree and explore his sadistic evolution into one of America's most infamous murderers for more information on Ted Bundy amongst the many sources we used. We found the book the stranger beside me by an rule extremely helpful to our research, you can find more episodes of serial killers, and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify. spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast. 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HAND of GOD | Warrior Week: Parables From the Pit | EP 084

WARRIOR WEEK

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HAND of GOD | Warrior Week: Parables From the Pit | EP 084

"All right all right all right. Welcome to worry week. Parable from the pit. The podcast your favorite podcasts. From the pet stores from did with me. Jason Workman Jason. Welcome to the studio. Thanks for having What time is it right now man? It's ten o'clock ten o'clock I'm GonNa have you like almost yet insert so let let's roll back and let's figure out what was the last one was was the first time you got introduced to like warrior. I First Time Michael Item twenty thirteen like a long time ago and communicate with Gary White Back then and had some conversations and it was right after a six hundred thirty mile walk and it just beautiful so that was my first introduction into it and then from there Again Michaelides them brought in Michael Buffington and he sat down with me. And Gus van dealers. Well and they're like where the fuck you doin' Marci here. You know like eating they get the fuck over here get committed and do it. So that was I think about two years ago. So two thousand thirteen. You just finished a six hundred thirty mile walk. We're GONNA talk about that. And and then you get on a conversation with Garrett talking about a tattooed that he wanted to yes so he wanted to do a tattoo The light coming from inside of him yes. The Phoenix rising from the ashes and he told me the story about Tattoo on his arm. And you were communicating about the idea of covering it up. I went through a divorce right after that. And he was moving from Arizona. Down to California right. He was making huge shift. I was making huge shift. We didn't didn't quite connect and then later on connect say. Yeah you'd connect with you tumor Kanga with me and we'll get to the story of how many arts you've put in on on him his son myself and quite a few you guys here at warrior. But let's talk about restaurant back and and let's just talk about a little bit of your your story talk to me about the six hundred thirty mile what originated. That was the purpose of that. Like talk to me about that story. Because I think that's an incredible story that I like to put out there number one as a as a digital acid and legacy for you left out there all right Louis and number two from so many other men that may be in a place very similar to yours that could see hope through that story absolutely so Couple of things I I I was building million company and We were working non-stop I build a team and Saint George. Utah under the Three one four Tattoo brand and I was going nonstop six seven days a week and grinding grain grinding and then found out I had a brain tumor Just work myself literally to death. Yeah so Went through some processes with the doctors and medication. This and this and I just I wasn't getting better so I took it upon myself to ill and I did a six hundred thirty mile walk as a way to start over and life. I I really went through a process of completely changing my diet. Eating cleaner exercise and during that adds some really amazing spiritual experiences. It was a hard reset. This is right after this when I talked to Garrett so and it was man it was the start of new journey. A really I just got to the point where is expanding Hispanic spending growing working and my body shut down so they told me that Do Tumor got to ten millimeters. I go blind and twelve to fourteen millimeters toll fifty millimeters of rain year as like all of a sudden become accountable from my thoughts and actions and figure out. What are you doing? How big was it when they four point eight millimeter so I was about a third of the way there? What made you even go? Check it out like I have no king in that in that space got pretty fat guy to about two hundred ninety four pounds and then from there Dropped sixty pounds. Clean my lifestyle. And when did you find out about the tumor one? You're you had all the weights and your smoking or before. I know it was after smoking quitting smoking and then after dropping the wait no no. It still had to wait on okay. So I wasn't well. What brought you to the doctor. Check it out like it was headaches or what was it at aches is selling ill sick with our skin. Yeah Yeah and they're like well. Your blood works a little bit off. That's what was their suggestions like. Surgery was certainly. Yeah that surgery with with with with consequences and and one hundred thirty thousand dollar surgery with potential loss of movement All kinds of shows so it wasn't an option even surgery and that time for you not for me. I I was like you know I. I don't WanNa come out of that. I mean one wrong. Move and your thoughts. Thank you know so. You can't function wherever marriages ability if they hit a nerve so I went through all that process over analyzing and analyzing how old were you Twenty thirteen hundred thirteen. So Oh God. I'm forty two so probably thirty five thirty four and at that time you had your daughter right to two daughters and wife. Everybody thought I was bashing crazy but you know they don't understand the idea of like I needed to do this when you're called to do something you fucking do it you know by by divine spirit or whatever you WANNA call you know so. You've decided just to go on a walk. Yeah well yeah. I prompted myself by walking back and forth from my House to my dad's studio which was about a quarter mile a day for two weeks before six hundred thirty Mile Journey. But the point was the point was I'm going to walk on a spiritual pat. I'm going to heal my body and and obviously you you've been Ford yourself about what to eat. An absolutely how to cure it naturally right. Yeah very holistically. Okay it you can solve any doctors or do you. Just grab a bunch of information like what did what did you do to to weaponize yourself with that. Well first off research research and talking to the doctor I'm going to do. This is crazy every person I talk to that. I thought I was crazy. I did have a couple of friends who were really instrumental in helping me to figure out. You know like your need to bring this this this this this and were getting Areo. Fly Home you know. So there's another chapter to to though it was really identifying who I am As a man you know during that journey it wasn't even so much about health. At that point it became it was about health but it became so much more internally I asked myself the questions who the fuck out my what am I doing? What's my purpose in life? What are my goals ambitions? What's the Five Year version myself? Looked LIKE IN ITS OTHER. GonNa be fucking sick Losing everything or I or shift now during. That journey was journaling. Journaling journaling drilling nonstop identifying who I was as a man so then what about where you're does but you did it alone. I I did a one hundred percent isolated and wh what did where what city the journey started with cities with giant San Francisco Portland Oregon and you start at two hundred ninety five nine four pounds and and you ended up at two thirty. I was two hundred thirty when I got back. So you've lost it all by walking and your your way of eating raw seventy pound backpack Definitely get the weight and then when I first started I was only maybe doing ten to fifteen miles a day by the endo is probably running about thirty five forty miles a day or jogging. How many how many days. It took about thirty two days thirty days. I WANNA say down on the downhill. Pro-putin about forty five miles and going hard and like I said who I started to build real muscle. The weight started coming off. I was moving and it was. Who did you meet on the road? God a lot of people trying to escape you know. I met people that were going from New York up into Canada. Coming over and coming down the coastline on bikes and business owners. There were literally just trying to escape the the hustle teachers from foreign countries. The majority were business owners. I mean they were just you know they were talking about the Appalachian trail talking about what's next and they do this every probably six to twelve months and blocks for clarity and just for to reinvent yourself innovation off very similar to what the game as well as clear as there. Is there a particular story fucking mentioning Undis- in that in that thirty days one? Oh God yeah there's a couple I feel like when you get to a certain point and isolation in your in your head you're identify yourself differently. I mean there's some funny shit happened. I have one guy come in. I sat down on a bench. Northern it was by Rica. I believe California Eureka Away Rica And I sat down on a bench and a guy came up to me. He was just cursing like every negative thing. You could possibly say Very racist and he sat down next to me and he was just out of his mind. Schizophrenic and and then suddenly normal gun he was like thirty. Have a cigarette or light in any pulls out this fucking cigarette. And it'd been in his pocket was just gnarled into this mangled fucking like what is that half broken alight. Sydney's like thank you and then as people walk by he was just like racial slurs and like and then I thought I farted or something eight. He didn't shoot himself and he got up. He said thank you for laser and sort of walking away and I realized after talking to a few other people. They everybody out of the mental fusions up in that area because they couldn't see the tax money wouldn't pay for it so any non violent mental patients. But I bumped into quite a few another Gal I met L. Areas She came up. She's like Yo. Hey man you got a couple of bucks man you got him. We'd you got you got you want party when I get together. And she was like twenty tweaked out of her fucking like and she was so skinny and I was like you know. I've got some bananas and a pair. My backpack if you want that. And she's like what the fuck are you worth like like? She just wanted drugs and I was like. Oh man you just have so many more than than than the majority of these stories on your journey you complete that you come back you kind of. What did you find after that? You know of the in isolation I find yourself There's a moment of clarity where especially through journaling gave me the opportunity to really figure out what I wanted. The thing I felt like I was missing. The Life is love and And then looking at myself as a father. How much time actually spent in real fucking time with my kids. You could've asked me. Then you know what kind of music my kids like until you get to ask me you know what my kids love school or anything in fucking now I worked. I was doing twenty two conventions year but travelling too expensive ship stuff And I it was really like a disconnection from home and I realized that I wanted to home that I felt comfortable in conversations. I'VE HAD FOR YEARS. Now is finding that that space real connection with your family with up until like yeah. Yeah Hey that sounds great and then your bail out the fucking door but all the time and then they're sitting there in a space of like I just need fucking dad now though It was a life check. I also found that you know I wasn't happy I was. I was in a relationship with somebody who became still a great friend My my ex wife she. She was a great partner. I can never say anything. Negative against her but we fell out of love man and it was. I had to identify with that. I had to work through. Add to go through. The pain of it wasn't easy. In that moment the flip side of that found love my life crystal. Yeah Microsoft rose and I filled the whole. You know that was broken. But let's let's be honest I you and I have had some experience We're calling me how to very deep experience where even breaking from devore's killed some shit. You should talk a little bit about that. We'll talk about that so so years. Go by Michael comes back. Gets the art from you. I think Michael and I share the same slightly the same tattoo. Yes except the shield that changed and so he comes in. He gets that you're in Long Beach. Oh about Michael Inspire your to get tattooed. Gary had he had the one tattoo on his arm and And he was talking about getting some work done and then Michael came in and he was like workman. I WANNA I wanna get the first piece and it was a smaller piece on his shoulder. Like I don't want it to show you know he's in a business perspective where he's dealing with. You know in client yeah. It wasn't quite ready to commit to that yet. He got the first piece and it was like a beautiful experience. Came back in and we started adding on and that's when Garrett had reached out to me I believe that through that journey when you're dealing with businessmen you know th there's a fear of acceptance. Yeah you know I mean especially if you're a high profile businessman so I mean to go through that with him It was moving. Yeah you know I mean he makes great money. He's financially yes fully beautiful family and he was in a position where like he was about to own this whole sleep and then Garrett actually started Because we didn't connect you fuck. You beat me to the punch pro. And so he started his journey as well so Dan then Michael Buffington Kimchi again. Two years after a friend of Mike Mike is he gets apiece and then and then somewhere somehow Danny Been Dusky. Gets a hold of you absolutely and that was the initial contact. Come down here to warrior right. I signed up for the king's kid the whole thing I was in the trenches already tattooing warriors. Yes you know. And just the level of intellect and how was your experience with King? Skit what did you? What did you find in that beautiful man? A lot of transitional moments of connection The network was great But really the work itself isolated. I mean even in a package system. Yeah the has absolute value. It can bring to your life and then thinking that brought you to the big gathering at me here I yeah I came down on you guys just days before. Were attacked okay. So that was that was in December something like September you tattooed and then we rolled into okay so you Tattoo Garrett Garrett wife and my wife and then I was planning it that but when you talk. Hey what's up and Daniel Daniel will go on a bunch of the guys Cayden and then and then you were like him and I got this piece where your wife. And that's the piece and I talked to my wife. She's like yeah. I'm like no one else is getting. I'm getting that and that ended up being my back peace and we went through a journey with all sixteen hours we spent sixteen hours and that tattoo straightforward with and. I think the only time we stopped talking was when you call your wife or when we just like putting those workers in our mouth shut up and listen for a few minutes which I think was great too. Sometimes I think there's like all right. I showed you a plan for a business plan. I had all right. Shut up here. Turn Your Voice Recorder on. Here's a plan and I was like no shit and I actually implemented that strategy. I'm better for that. Yeah you're like shut up. You drew me a picture. I had this giant whiteboard. Everything on it. And you're like dude fuck off here and you drew in like probably thirty seconds. Like what am I take man fucking a decade to learn? I remember that then You're like alright. Tried that and I was like this fucking guy we. We had a blast because not only we And so here's the experience like you know we talk about tattooing and tattooing. A one part of it is the art of the artists. The other one is the emerging experience that the The person is having with the other person. It's almost like it's almost like it's crazy. The way you want to think about is like almost too old souls meeting and it's like they're speaking the sole language of the past and and there's an exchange that happens and there's a footprint that's left from that memory right not. Everybody may look at it this way. But that's the modern and I know that's the experiences that you're creating with your clients is. It's a very very pivoting moment of anyone's life to put a piece of art and it's actually yeah. I read somebody who clients feedback that how how life changing they taught they're coming to get a tattoo but then they got a transformational experience. Absolutely you know and I think that's something to identify in this era right now There's a lot of tattooing The industry has grown to about a one point seven trillion dollar industry globally It's moving you know. There's some big shifts and some of it is about connection. are some of his rebellious I WANNA say my clients we come in. And we engage in a completely different way It's an experience in exchange One of the biggest problems I see is just the idea of of people looking at it as the Tattoo. Artists is looking at people like a fucking rent check. You know like your cell phone payment rather than the idea of like. I'm going to share a slice of life with this human being and let's let's generally real real content authentically not content. What's the best word for that? A relationship yeah dude. I 'cause you'll never forget. No you have a piece of me on your body if I leave a negative experience in that yeah do fuck me. For the rest of my. You know what I'm saying so I think there's an exchange energetic change and I like literally ended up being a footprint that leave behind you and I mean I had that experience myself with sixteen hours. We like literally. We went through four. Pm At night touted my wife and then and then I started at four PM and then we stopped at eight am or eight thirty am the next day. Oh we were eating lunch at now. We never and we never. We never stopped talking and we and here's what we did. We went through an aerial we. We laughed. We cried we. We we listen to music. We were eating. We were kids but again we talk to each other. I fucking Tattoo you sign bros. Like I'm like that was about even spiritual connection to the three four. I that I am right. Yeah exactly and so and that set me on on a whole whole new adventure to figure out the mathematical share. We went on and I found the former man. Yeah I found the fucking formula found the mathematical formula behind behind. I am that I am and I just found last year. Meant and and I I looked for it I seek for it and I found it again. I understand and it's It's beautiful what the number means I still have to pursue that in fact You introduced me to today that I think I have to. I think I think you. I think you just solve the puzzle for me because I found the former. I have a number yet. I don't have a meaning behind the number so I need to decode the number using your meteorology and what you showed me so talking about that but the point of that experience was you know here we are. We went like as adult. We went back being kids right and and for you and I was just the Tattoo experience that brought back for somebody else could be another thing like as men. Here's what we want. And here's the hardest part is like we do. WanNa go back to to an age where we didn't really have that much stories right. You know you had a hard childhood. I have a childhood completely. Different yours was more of urban pain. Mind was I was. I grew up in war but we we both had pain right and it was but in the midst of that pain. There was also this. This pure joy was pure and action connection fucking story. Can you call it? It's like it's just like your closest sibling and yet brought us of you know like my brother. You know like I bet but without the just. Hey Bro what's up? No you become like connected hundred percent so correct me. If I'm like you did the Tattoo and then were you contrary happy. I had I had the shit on my bag up. It was it was there. That's crazy. That's where he started playing drums shit. That's crazy man. Yeah so okay. What happened would've gone three? Oh we're con man so I had A. I had a really awkward experience. Be Honest so I I was down here For Thirteen Days. Spent time with everybody at where you're on. I got home and I got a message from one of our brothers and and it was like a word of caution you will drift and I was like what does that. And then my account got shut off and I was like what the fuck did I likes. Cheerios pissing off or something. And I. It wasn't that at all my my count my debit card deactivated. So I wasn't able to continue with where your program okay? But my my account got hacked so lost. Twenty grand plotted so But they had to reactivate and add away from any comeback through the new card but the car was on file under warrior. So but I couldn't access anything I was like these have got kicked out. I so I actually course corrected now. We'll find it. They don't want me. I'M GONNA go ahead and fly to Florida. I bought tickets and hotel rooms Flights to our Basil in Florida and I was driving down. I was actually in a shuttle away from Saint George Shit. You know that Sega's and I get this call from Dan. Daniel bed nerd ski and he's like Yo. Jj The fuck are you is check in? And I'm like man. I got kicked out assists. I as I don't know what the hell happened. And he's like you're getting me and he's like no. Where are you Mike? I'm at the airport in Las Vegas about to board a plane to Florida and I have tickets everything abby. It's done thousands of dollars in and ready to go and he's like Hold on Click and then the phone rings again in its Gus Bend Eater and guesses like working with you talking about where are you? Why aren't you here? You know and I was like man. I got kicked out says many types in the computer. He's like dude. You're your debit card got disconnected. That's it and he's like No you're coming to San Diego and I'm like a dude. I'm about two three hours. Board my plane. I'm early He's like music in a car. Like you know what we do. We want your fucking friend your brother and we love you and see what you can do. And he's like meditate on it for a few minutes and tell me what your heart says and call me back so I didn't take me two minutes as instantaneous at felt disconnected And so I walked over to the kiosks at the Lady of the counter. And I was like. Do you have any flights San Diego? She's like do. There's one at least forty minutes. She's like there's nowhere to make it through the Las Vegas Airport. Gets a tram hit the plane? She's like it's a waste time with the money. I said Fuck it and I bought him. I ran to the fucking airport No no linus I it security straight through then have a bunch of bags with me. I went back Made the gate as they were closing. It like hey. Hey Hey and I get on the plane. They shut the door behind me. Like surgery take your and so I- landed in San Diego and Bernardo Hands. Be Room Keys. I don't worry about your brother. Britain Artsy Has a key and don't worry and then gusts as well like you know. We got your brother so I go I get checked in the room. Had to go and hurry and buy some black closed for for the event and So Uber around and then The first day fucking amazing I mean just the Energy. There is awesome for the second day. Someone else happened Second day well Shit. You guys had somebody that you're going to pull up on stage right. You had somebody that you're going to pull up on stage at where you're on a call. Somebody I guess the Guy Checked out. Yeah divine intervention right. Yeah and then Danny told me fucking Sam Calls. My name out of my heart antle. Dan told me so. I so I called we came. I think it was lunch or we came back from lunch. And then you know there was I had this feeling I wanted to call this guy on the stage is going to a lot of pain and I just want. I wanted to have a conversation and an implant anything that was coming after so I keep calling his name and he's not am I later on. I found out that he actually He went home and he was so so much in. Pain disconnected himself lunch. Yeah it's crazy. How the universe works. He moved up here move themselves and next thing. I know I'm like Some talking to them like I can't find him. And do you know anyone in paint and it goes dude. Let me let me think Jason. Man What Jason are technicals. Yeah okay man roll up right well let let me tell you about that. Pain pain in my heart. I don't feel like I had healed from my divorce after years and I feel like there was something still holding me. Back from really connecting With with crystal My fiancee now and I felt like there was there is I fucking knew it when you guys called name and you guys are sitting up there. I started to get this fucking feeling in my stomach and my heart started jittery. Like they're going to fucking call me I don't know why new Shit and then you call my name and I was like my fucker. What is this and I walk up? And Sam tells me like a candle. And it's your choice to relate your for your flame and we went through an experience. They're very very had been divine energy. God and God whatever you WanNa call it. Wow now tell you what? It was interesting because at one point I was holding a candle and I feel a warmth on my face and I can feel the warmth in my heart. I just on my chest and you were behind me your hands on on my heart and I feel like that's the spot that was broken bro. And are shattered. Maybe not broken just wasn't connected and you started going through the cycle and going through and talking through it Actually I've got another part to this Sam Here. He called me a friend When we were tattoo and I told him I said Hey man I I take friendship very seriously calling me a fucking friend. You better mean it and I mean we were there for each other right or die worse case scenario for two fucking years but we can actress and it's funny because when we're up there having that experience You said when I call your brother. This is what I mean. And you're helping me hill anyways. I I get to a point where I start feeling hands. Boom boom boom all over my fucking body and I opened my eyes at one point. I'm not holding a candle anymore but I can still ride my chest and you just kept telling me let it go man you have to let it go and and we talk about dividing pain amongst brothers. You know when we share stories of people. Divide that pain while we fucking divided that day because when I looked out there's a thousand men in a room all connected shoulder to shoulder hand to hand all the way through this whole building and it was. It was still an energy in that space. Yeah it was crazy man. What's your perspective of that? I mean that's my story side of it. I I call your name then I kinda like colleague just went into the moment of what what did I just like. It was just channeling I had. I had zero opinion about what happened. I had zero plan plan. There was so there you are. I'm sitting on the fucking stage you sitting in front of me and my lap. I put my hands on your heart. Yeah and then I I you hold the Kennel and say him and is your time to you. Know in your old with your heart. Ignatius something. I'm not sure if a lot of you guys know this about Al Sam here but he's a he's a fucking healer and knows it and he really takes men into a place that they never thought they could be and he communicates with with fucking heart and authenticity. And you really shift men into space. They'd never thought that they could reach. And he's a beautiful fucking version. No Bullshit fucking. You want a pat on the but there's no you go. There's like I said that they go. It wasn't even the Eagle was in heaven. President wasn't it was it was I was sitting there. I was holding your heart and You're given a chance to read the Cantillon. It was your choice you enforce and then and then I ask everyone to come and nine hundred people nine hundred guys like this is an image that like we have a picture of this and And it's going to be probably op is going to be the the picture of of this podcast but what. I'm what I can tell you. Is that without a doubt this experience? Maybe maybe years from now there was something similar to this but it was. It was one of a kind like it just won't ever ever be recreated. The nothing was plan. I don't know what the fuck was happening. We have nine hundred. Guys that got up from their chairs moved towards the stage kneeled and the all their hands was on your heart now. It's hard to imagine how to have nine hundred hands on one fucking guys body but it if you can visualize this like the guy sitting front their hands on are you and all the other guys. Their hands are are there on their forearms. So it forms this giant tree back giant tree of arms and liberty our that the hand of God experience. Which was you know through like the whole thing was the healing came through through the hands of your brothers. Remember that yes satellite. Allow the light to come in through the hands of your brothers any literally. Everybody conducted that experience. This is not some fucking energy. We're not talking about some hippie. Maybe like what some fucking nipple oil apple and started yet. This is not hippie. Shipman this is not oriental. Shit this is not some Chinese ships. This is not. This is not like this as the this is modern. Fucking modern men kneel down big ask grown ass men fathering husbands. They all believed that there was a healing energy coming through them. And Dude I I remember taking a breath and it was like breathing in the moment. Another big breath in and breathing out and then. I remember a collapse. It was like a breath and I couldn't I couldn't breathe and I when I opened my eyes and I didn't have that candle. I look up and Michael Item. I believe it was the first person that come up. And very dear dear friend and brother of mine and cadence and shooting the victims appreciate both of those men very very much as well as I do. Everybody in that room I looked up and it was it was. It was tears like I broke and I had that moment where he was tears running down so in my shirt and I look up and it was tears tears to searchers searchers to the whole fucking play as far as I could tears everywhere. Man My man in there you. Everybody hit the nine hundred fucking dude winters. Where does that happen ever like bro? Like we like I even have a movie footage of it. Yeah like because we recorded the whole thing. I and the videos up I send you video. Yeah but I don't need the fucking video. No it's like a fucking thing about being in the middle of that was intense. It's a vivid movie. Yeah all the time. It's like two. Yeah in in our heart in our mind but I love to send that picture do from time to time. I've I've come in. I've actually worked with many of the a warrior brother and a lot of guys come in and they're like you're the Jason. Wait a second hold on. I'm getting tattoo you but you're the guy say how the fuck was that and I'm like and I go rental story about it. And as a part of the connecting you know like if they were there was a beautiful experience really was to be in that room. So we'll talk a little bit Guys guys listening to this is tons of guys that have cats on them. A bunch of guys WANNA get them. I WANNA recommend anybody else to have an experience with Halo Cement. If you WANNA get a cool tattoo. I guess anytime they can happen with that on you but if you WANNA true spiritual experience if you wanNA warrior experienced yes that's what it is if you WanNa fucking warrior warrior experience and if you're listening to this podcast you're probably a warrior fucking fan or else you'll be able to go fuck yourself. Hey I wouldn't recommend anybody else geared us what always do is I put in over thirty other Guy Alvarado guys of putting all their art. You're currently finishing a big huge ask tattoo on Garrett on the entire fucking from his armpit all the way down to massive unite designed tonight what I wanNA put on a two weeks from now on which is fucking life changing is going to. I don't I don't fuck what tattoos out there. This is going to dominate. And if this hurt you feeling if you're listening to this. I'm sorry Bro. Like Bro. This is a fucking this is dominating. This is the dominant to and yet. It's so simple. It's interesting because I feel like a lot of my inspiration for tattoos comes from Interaction no I think we have communication the more I know someone the more able to assess a content fuck it. I'm not just trying to throw some shit on skin and that becomes part of the experience and the journey because it fucking resumes. Look down on it like. Why did I get that? No it's like shit man. I'm going through this thing. And God that Guy Nailed it but a lot of that is the communication process and connecting with people. I you know first and foremost and they show their story. We go back and phone. We facetime if they cause a lot of them. Live out out of the country and the and get to know them. This is something I didn't do previously like. I mean maybe five that there wasn't that connection and you know you do a Tattoo Awesome WanNa war great guy publishing some shit. This is to to to experience it. I think is hailing working. This is hailing work. You know the healing you know you actually said something like that to me a long time ago. You said you know what you do is healing people. Consider yourself not a tattoo artist but more of a healer because people come in into the space of tattooing. I Love Them. Don't know to expect no but then all of a sudden not eat. Our like Shit starts happening in sixth hour. You know you're sitting there. I mean what else they're talking about like. Hey as US show you as a cool show. Hey did you like this movie awesome. But then there's some shade especially with core four Where you start to connect with people and body being bouncing. Where're you out in life? Bro? Let's cut through the bullshit and I'm able to do that first. Couple hours if not even faster to where the connection happens at an accelerated rate. So where can? Where can our guys find you? Man Give us some Info. How can we reach out to you? And how can we can book sessions? I know you work your ass off to build this amazing studio which I'm GonNa visit in about two weeks from now in saying George. That's where all the magic happens. Of course you also move around on special occasions and depending on on projects but just how do we do we find you how our guys find you? How how how they can connect with you can say. Hey I'm part of warrior. I'm reaching out to us because I listened to the podcast. Like get some kind of fucking priority because there were boroughs absolutely so. I live in Saint George Utah Studios called humble be studios. We our email address is Jason Workman Art in it's J. S. E. N. W or k n art at gmail.com Or humble be studios g mail. I'd love to connects people own insurance you also on Instagram Instagram's well allergies and Workman Jason. And Jason Is J. A. S. C. N. Fuck Fuck Mail A E. I'm punking dude. Everybody fucking search and the phone Jason. No buckets I e. I'll tell you what it's it's worse when it's in publication spelled wrong and you're like fuck. You know Jason Workman anyways. Thank you so mad at at a on instagram. Right okay Hey listen if you're out there and you're looking for an absolute experience and perhaps maybe even a longterm friendship you know I would. I would advise you and welcome you to spend some time with Jason and figure out. What is this art that you WanNa live on your on your on your body and what what is the meaning for it? What is it a legacy move? What what is the purpose You know as we like. I know when I did this. The entire meaning of the art lives with me and And of course Arthur not man. We had an experience that is above and beyond that but the art brought us together like really do sixteen hours a truly brought us together and and we don't really talk about pain at that. I mean we talked some stuff by that like you said there was. There was a wound and the light came into human. Every experience is going to be unique. You know I every person they have a different story and as for some people it's like celebration like Holy Shit out so and other people it's like man. I went through some shit other people. I lost some right right right right. Whatever the emotion is so if closure and connections so two weeks we're going to get this masterpiece and that now and I'm gonNA dedicate entire podcast around you come back here about a month and a half from here. We're record as for as our audience. If listen if this message kind of resonated with you go ahead and forward this to someone that you know. Go ahead and forward this to someone that needs to hear Jason Stories. I mean if it's a struggle with With cancer brain cancer tumor and or even like isolation and the connection refound through the this brotherhood and the experience that he had the spiritual experience that he had anything said here that resonates with you or someone you know in your life go ahead on forward that to them for more information on this podcast you can find us as worry week dot com. They'll be pictured at specific picture that I painted the image for Jason on the stage in all the nine hundred hands on his heart. I will put that one up on on. The website will have transcript of this particular podcast and as well as audio and video for you guys to view and others so you find us there where we come any final words as in. Thank you thank you. Thank you your brother. Thank you SAM. Thank you to Gary for bringing so many. Fucking amazing yeah. I'm just grateful to be here. Great for the opportunity to spend a little awesome. I would love to have you and continue to be a component of the heartbeat here at warrior. I gentlemen have yourself a fantastic week. And don't forget to forward this to someone that deep down inside of your heart you feel. That is a candidate for this message until then take care of yourself and each other.

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AWTR Show #730: Diary of an Entrepreneur

Army Wife Talk Radio

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AWTR Show #730: Diary of an Entrepreneur

"Attention know spouses families and service members. It's now time for another empowering episode of Armond White Talk Radio the leading and longest running podcast of its kind. Awt are is doing gauge. Educate and encourage you by sharing dynamic interviews social media connections news and empowering military life information here are your Awt our hosts your Army Wife Network Command Team Aurora. Welcome TO ARMY WIFE. Tough Radio PODCAST. Where our mission is to engage educate encourage and empower military. Stuff is in their families around the world. Regardless of what's going on our mission safe the fame. We are here for you. This is show number seven hundred thirty near host Caroline Schaefer Army Life Network producer and marketing assistance listeners. I'm in a coma. Fightes aided. Un's PODCAST Production Assistant Co hosting today with Caroline. Army wife. Talk Radio is here to remind you that you do not have to go through this alone. We Love you resources. You need to thrive in this military life onto the show. We will listen to interview conducted by Aidan. Un owner in Commander Shahida KNOB. Lock with guest says release founder and CEO of Diary of an entrepreneur and they award winning Spanish. The world's first guided meditation in language. App will hear that interview in just a bit. Sounds like it's going to be a great interview between CERITA Antica I'm so excited to be hosting with new today. We didn't make you this and we hope together. Last time we did catch up in I am at a month fear. How foods are going nor world in this time that we are living in. Yes it's been a crazy couple of weeks I just drove around yesterday. Just because I was so bored I didn't know what else to throw around. I saw different sites I went to an area with a bunch of mansions went by right by the next co Texas border and it was kind of cool just kind of taking pictures and going around in my car safely with. Yeah but I also done. Some yard work can hung out with puppies and my husband. Your husband homers. You considered essential every day. He has to go in half the week and he was actually supposed to be in the field until April fourteenth but they sent him back early or darn well. I'm not complaining improving the yard work so i. I haven't painted when my parents would make will make us holy only work bid all it needed to be done and I got out there and I thought okay I was also Sokoll to my best me am things in talking to the whole time. I was doing it so that it may hit it more fun but I found I enjoy eating which was so weird I know disappointingly. Just throw around. I mean I only get like a quarter of the places that needed it but yeah it was a hat so good and I'm enjoying having my husband home. Says I technically not? Don't we into officers working from here every day? But he felt moved him and our son built knew who. I guess you could say a Patio Sofa out of all these pallets that he found and commanding. Yeah and then you stain them. And he's like I guess you could say a coffee table but like my feet on it. And then today they get that last weekend and today they built a bench. Put The cushions for the Sofa in outside coaches. But I don't want him to get all yeses. None of that would happen honestly if we weren't in this not that he can't do it but you'd be so busy. Well I know we could talk for hours and hours and I need to get out and drive around l. left the house sexless. You enjoy it really help you. Yes I was going. Stir crazy my house and I just needed to get out and do something so I decided to go sightseeing. Always catch up with you. You would still listeners before we move on. We're going to take a moment to think our eight obt our show sponsor first manned financial services for sponsoring this episode. I offers complimentary. Financial PLANS FOR ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY E. 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Seven hundred episodes in the archives. Subscribe to this podcast on our website. Www DOT ROI network dot com or on the pod catcher of your choice such as I tunes Google play spotify or Pandora engage educate encourage. Awt are is your source for military life empowerment. Hello everyone I'm aws owner in commander. Cerita KNOB lock here with another empowering interview for Army Wife. Talk Radio Today. We'll be chatting with INNES ruus to discuss how military spouses can become entrepreneurs who create an established successful career even when they often move given the nature of their spouses occupation. Ruis a military wife herself who is also a Cambridge University. Professor found it hard to establish and maintain the career. She wanted as she and her husband were constantly moving so she created an online school to help other teachers and sold her first course while she was living out of a hotel room in London waiting for her next PCS now she shares her journey at Diary of an entrepreneur which helps other women and minorities create the career of their dreams. And AS Roma's is an award winning entrepreneur motivational speaker and founder of several successful businesses including cumbersome Spanish Institute. She has two master's degrees and e learning and education and is currently earning her third masters in neuro marketing as a former Cambridge University lecturer. She's used her expertise in academia and entrepreneurship to build successful online businesses. She has been featured on sites such as business insider. Cnbc and Money Inc. You can read more about Inez as she shares her journey on her site diary of an entrepreneur dot com. Welcome to the show Inez. We're so excited to chat with you today mate absolutely. I don't WanNa waste any time because I'm excited to hear about your journey. And maybe hypothetically pick up some entrepreneurship tips as well. So let's jump in and pick your brain about your experience. As an empowering entrepreneur. I KNEZ as an army spouse. What challenges did you have in establishing a meaningful career? We mentioned a few of those in your bio. But I would love to hear a little bit more about the things that you face in how you've overcome that. I think it's hard for us. Just because many job you had to go through different positions to be able to advance your career and get promoted by when you are moving constantly you just always end up on entry level jobs to help you overcome that the thing is like for me. I was a Spanish. Professor enfor comes university in. Let's say that I got to the peak of my career. Then I met my husband and I have clear that our relationship was more important than a title or position and I freak out forbid horse people was crazy on I need. You was the right thing to do so I started to research about would be knowledge is also meant you know how was into the my life and to a really discouraged about the prospects of military's. Oscars science that just thinking about creating something that I could do that either. Mina would wear out at Michael Steele do it for senior jobs so I created a school in Lyon to help other teachers about their skills on be better teachers as you said before I saw my first scores are based on the baseball child wasting for our PCS to to the set to the state of the night cried and told my husband. If I sell a couple of those among that would be equivalent that my job salary and leaderly Abbas linked to create a seventy business out of it. That's amazing. I can identify with that as far as falling in love with a service member and then being like will but I also want a really solid career and that was a big huge question marks the beginning of our relationship than house like how I don't want to reinvent myself every two or three years and like you mentioned you know necessarily be forced to work in the entry level jobs so it looks like we're on the same page with that and I get of nevertheless your full potential because you always started you know you always on bad entry level and then you've got to have to start again it you'd have to take that time to prove yourself for them to realize your skill set in what you bring to the table and then it's like. Hey we got orders we gotta go so you get stuck in the most adults in the hardest point which is the beginning rather you have to prove yourself. You've had to work extra to do all these things. So you get a second that point where you can really the battle of your career. You just think that working hard you know stab. Let's take it a little bit farther and think Even beyond your own personal experience. So what other challenges do you feel like military spouses face when it comes to having a career beyond? Hey we have to prove ourselves. We're moving every two or three years. What does that look like? I think also the main one are for. Moving is the assignments or deployments. Seventy why the basically time your life accident because he goes for me to people in hostile to just be you. So whichever carpeted job you have to you have to perform the same the athlete before right and for some military spouses. We'd key pads on heads. We know anybody independently us so much more in the shoulders. Because you know from being honest you just basically on your own. So he puts a lot of pressure on on megyn spouses. And I don't think people realize that right because now once you know our spouse for servicemember goes tdy deployment. Then you're right. We do have to carry the same load at work and still continue to show up every day. And there's no yeah. There's no person to come home and slap hands with to be like high. The kid has the flu. I need to work because he would. He doesn't pack your life so eating your career and we are subject to ask anybody else in that job thinking about those challenges you mentioned you sold your first course out of a hotel room in London so tell us how you went about creating an establishing your first business. What was the inspiration behind that for me was more about looking into because what happens is a lot of people start? Businesses are easy because it's easy money or for the wrong reasons for me was more like okay. What can do that is fulfilling. I laughed eaten astonished and What I did was find will was at my core. Which was you know? I'm a teacher corps and I love teaching many Saiga case -ality but I don't necessarily want to be teaching astonished. How can I have your impact? And then it was like. I don't like this. Punish teaching courses are taken before and create something different. That can help other teachers. Can I create something with everything I learned? So the business came from Maya Scales. And what I'm and I just created a platform that could use all those teams. That's one this school came in this. Okay I love teaching. I can have other teachers and I can teach these skills that I the balance. We'd always go back to you or would you have to offer an when you good out and sometimes I think we're the loss in in the. I will have any impact on on this speech. Things when you know you can just use in you instead of trying to do something that it so out of you for me. It was a matter of okay. What do I have to offer? What do I have that I can have other people? I love that idea of doing something that you already good at or your skill that because I think about myself and I would never like coach people on how to run a marathon. I've done it once but it wasn't pretty and I can share my experience but I am no expert however empowering military spouses talking with folks like you or encouraging them cheering them on like I feel like I have those skills and so it's really great to build on that and especially to create something that you're going to do long term. You want like you said you want to be invested in that and have passionate about it. I like finding finding ways along for example. You are great interviews. You can help other enterpreneurs that for example like I had into next. Wait Week you know you can be helping be culture me because I'm telling you because I actually joy I have TV interviews. And I have six calls. That helps me when I have unique interview. She helped me prepare sinking. Also like out of the box of your skills and what people come to you for the ask you are. I need help with anything outside the box of all the things that you can do with those skills instead of just trying to do one thing you know because that's the thing we are skilled and you how old these amazing skills that you can use to have other people and even seems that you haven't you've already alluded to it as far as hey create something a business around something you're passionate about. But what other advice would you give to a listener? Who's not entirely sure? What type of company here she could create. I think out like we were talking before as businesses. Something People Baidu because they need money instead or they just WanNa psyche or something extra But the best thing they can do is look at. Why are you good? At what do people come to you for as I was telling you before? What experience do you have that somebody can benefit from like for example now in going through immature seeds and the richer is so is that experience when I had some very highly Annabel? Some skills are something that somebody else can use on framework again held them so I think the most important thing is to have connection with with whatever you want to start. Because you've not you've never going to have that motivation that connection to it and having a hard save you don't have that good full nation off loving. Would you do that. This down for failure. You always have like setbacks and challenges unless you really love what you're doing it's GonNa be hard to face it right as you not be is not even worth it to me and of course you have to have a legal phase and you don't have to know all the things but at least it part of Your Business To you who you are on your gift of skills. That is very sound advice. Just because I know on some hard days when you're like oh my gosh nothing's working. I'm tired like I just like just the Blah Day. It's so great to have what you just mentioned. And as that core motivation that core desire to do what you WanNa do and those two you know and as I okay. I'm allowed to have a bad day to feel this way but I know these bigger picture. This is for everything that I want to create so because I have that connection. Those days have less often when they happen. I'm doesn't okay I'm just GONNA allow it. I'm just going to be out or every whatever needs to be but I know tomorrow it's a completely new and having that connection it's what helps you go through those challenges right in those valleys of being an entrepreneur or business or even mill spousing having that yes foundation of. I love what I do. I love my soldier. I do love my kids and so I will get out of bed. I might not smile a whole lot today but darn it I check my email I you know or hey you know what? I'm going to go take a nap. Because sometimes we just need to rest a little bit and Okay Kei at times as we matt is military spouse and you are Mataafa Jupiter's which is like Gogo Kush Jewish and we don't take ourselves. We don't allow us to go through whatever will go away because we always have somebody depending on us. You have a bad day but I learned that at least a moment if I cannot have we are worst countdown at least five minutes by those five minutes to get it out of the system. Whatever it is that I need to feel because it's not a happens. We just keep on cutting accommodation connery. And then that's would buy out. We are not hard if you're year you're listening. You know your spouse your enterpreneur or go. Getters and doers legal. Go Go do we. Even you know bleak so I think especially for us It's really important to take care of ourselves. Amen to that. I am fully on board with that in. That's a whole different topic but we will keep that in mind and certainly revisit that is. I'm living that right now myself. You mentioned a few moments ago that you have you know some coaches that help you to prepare for interviews or they use their skills to help you do what you're called to do but you also say in other places that you don't feel like people need to pay for Pricey coaching services when they start out an entrepreneur. So tell us why you think that. I think when you are starting if you are according to you have is personality edges figure things out and again who at you know to the People? We are talking right now. They are the same as you have to figure out everything. So as an entrepreneur Core battles well how we are and I think that nowadays the Cochin Industries exploding you know in some point is that explode and things are gonna go back to something that makes more sense because right now you can be paying like ten thousand dollars. For a coaching program. Since I that when you can start yourself You know just searching for things I started my business with Mr go and actually the Highbury. I know these some so old by going to the Bays Library to learn of about a marketing of these. So I feel that if you are starting a business and you are not able to go through that process of how does this work if you never know how our businesses created how since start that you cannot be connected to it on second bed when you're hiring somebody? You don't know what they are supposed to be doing so I believe that you have to start everything. Yourselves Lower House seats work so then you have a great team knowing that violence war with the UN and also abuse your to the CEO that you're going to be and the other things I've seen that other people basically pay a coach said you know I got the best coach in the industry might business just GonNa explode overnight now like you still do all the work. I just putting that expectation that this code is gonNA solve my life that is so wrong in terms of your mindset and I think it's because some people they just want to ski you know you don't remember also the hardships at you. WanNa you're GONNA have the two million dollar business but you don't WanNa know about my sleepless night or you know the Times that I was sixteen hours as So I I love coaches specific. You know I do. Coaching FOR CIVIC. Things like okay. I need what we need support. I'm really good asking for how in Libya aware of my witnesses and my strengths. So I know for example. I might not be that you need to because I attempt to over you can see so I know anything on that. I don't have signed that experts on that. You know instead of having just a general business coach so I lost coach Kim with specific with that specific that I know I won't work on. I think it's important to have mentors coaches by when you ought level that your business. He's not really having sales. And you have trauma that it's already been tested and generating income. Because he's euro have boats. Nick no business in place. I generating income doesn't matter how many coaches you hire. You don't have a tested business. So that coach doesn't matter what they say they can help you because you do not have a business. So that's why you know. Two Sides on coaching. And do that moment where you can afford it a you. Don't get into that. I'm absolutely against that. I think that brings a whole other level of diety to you under business bats. We already high level anxiety having a business managing team that that's a whole other level to it that you don't need it by. That's my my Tucson's on expensive coaching cages. On things like that you're justice it's really a two sided coin. I I feel like we're on the same page as far as no. Don't blow all your income or budget on a coach because really like everything else in this world. There's no magic pill like if there's magic pill everybody would take it and then this magic anymore. So yeah you're so right business called you. There's no way on earth you can always happen with me. I have the best girl I had the best marketing and business or having this industry investment was ridiculous but I was like I get to accommodate outside in a really bad place. Because I'm just a teacher I don't know how to have a half a million dollar business. Don't know what I'm doing. And then he was even worse because I have to the millions. I am just the teacher. I know what I'm doing with our business out somebody. I need Dacian in a higher this person and they business way because they have no idea of my mark they have no idea about I- cayennes and there was just giving me generic advice that has worked for city business at had no good among business and I think that's that's why I say now that only do coach you with a specific on for the specific things because generally sticks. They are never going to know what your business is about an ever businesses different like we are Businesses saying so you kind of coach me the same way you have. You know this person who is a life coach. You gotta give me the same Advised ICI let those programs or masterminds things fall into that I think are. The timing of our conversation was just heavensent. 'cause I already like I love your passion and I'm already super-motivated and I WANNA be like okay interview over. I got stuff to do. Let's go America. Let's go but I'm not. I'm not going to cut you off short but I have just loved talking with you so far but we are going to take a super short break an so listeners. As we take our break we would love to encourage you to connect with Anez online via facebook and instagram. At Diary of an entrepreneur official. So that's on facebook and instagram. And you spell it instagram spell. It all out. You can also check her out on her website. Www dot diary of an entrepreneur dot com. 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We sincerely thank you for your support to empower military spouses families and their service members around the globe. Welcome back to the show listeners. We are chatting with as Ruez Mill Spouse over comer and successful entrepreneur. I'm still super jazz from the first half of our conversation. So let's keep it going. We can never have too much. Mill spouse empowerment encouragement and caffeine is what it feels like all right. So tell us. How can entrepreneurs was no marketing experience? Learn how to market their business when we are starting. We have you know as I was saying before Teacher I don't know with marketing email. Marketing conversions. I have no idea what any disease. So what idea was just learn. I was reading researching reading or reading and I read on Google. Anyone on the library has told you before. I and there are a few books that actually tell you that. Ain't our core like if you just want out to the library and I was like okay if I had to start my business from CROTTS which looks will be. And why would that be personnel? Mba from Josh Hoffman Under book is what he says it's summarized NBA e-business. I you have everything there at even after all these years going there openings in random pages on seeing about concepts on how For me I must have just business in general Gone for more like marketing has to do a lot with storytelling. At the end of the day we need to switch that way of thinking about marketing would be just Sasser. Sal that hasn't sat with Celsius connection on a stories and there's little by On Marketers Dennis Sarin is art. Basically any booed by She is amazing and he's the best in marketing but also building try connection on US indecency Means even more important for as because we've been learning marketing for their concept out of you but it's like online concept is brought. Marketing says very masculine very aggressive very odd for Azziz wound. We don't feel that seals are ethical or it doesn't feel right. This is very light car. Salesperson kind thing So I laugh because she talks from a place that you are more aligned with who you are how you do things instead of trying to be somebody that you're not so he talks about market. In in a way that are women are gonNA connect with it on and then as out say that Ah beat more. Advance is building a story brands by Donald Miller. That's more or less physique as starts talking about grounding to constantly be bigger For as wear star derive aware starting too much with our high ends on sell things created. Lebron's home of but again I think they do. It might away that he feels very ethical. Was We met? How appliance how to provide On Silo that in the last one it's called peach any by ordering class dusty Salesperson General If you have a business you have to set stuff and if you love what you do believe in it. There's nothing yields audit. I see a lot of women entrepreneurs. We have blocks in terms of sailing. Because you know we are just Uber's in general especially as military service is just Uber's appearing on everybody says intensiveness charging he feels light so bad but we need to learn a. We are there for them. We are offering the best product that we can. And it's made out of laws and Howard. So just take the easiness out of those seldom stations and be more confident on seven anything. So yeah those are my key factor. Start all over again. I read those books and I'm telling you to go good to go with those at. Ns you are a woman after my own heart like because there is zero judgment coming for me when you say like you would go research. You would go to the library. I am a huge even in twenty twenty. I'm a huge library. Nerd and nothing excites me more than putting requesting books of library getting them on hold going to pick them up and just digging through that like especially you just like. I don't think there's we talk a lot about these but with every PCs use a lot of of your own money so we don't have much money. We spend a log was a big move. It was England who space you know. It was a big little whisper a lot of money. We just arrived here and I didn't have any money. Talk to say you know. I started with nothing so for me. The library wasn't real. No shame about it and you have nothing to lose you order that I work harder. Because you're like GonNa make these work. I'm going to stay in the library. And take these boys GonNa make the Out of it and that's how we are as music spouses. And there's no shame in whichever way you are started because that just makes you. You know humbleness on hardworking is what makes us make who we are so we just have to apply that to start a business. How you do it as you have the endurance to go through whatever you go through so what advice can you give to first time business owners especially when you talk from a mill spouse perspective So how can we find own way in our own confidence? Entrust our intuition when it comes to entrepreneurship in marketing. I think that would win. An marketers does because we care and we you know. Our top priorities always connecting. Right and at the end of the day will barbeque unease. Is that it's care on connection so I feel that just on a naturalists say we are better communicators. We are better connectors. So what happens is then. We're going to this world and all these guys are starring you all. You have to be aggressive. You have to say this. You have to do that. And you're like well. I don't know anything about Margaret has made. It should be doing this on when you doing his. You going against your intuition and against your natural gifts off connecting so another to say something. Sure call them because it takes a lot. It takes a lot of you to be like okay. I'm not GonNa stay with these Guru historian GonNa do whatever feels right for me as out of place. I locked in. I know what I was child. Time is just you try saying this work is doesn't work again. Let's keep the thing that works. Let's try something else. You figure another thing that was and then you just put that in your toolbox so you kind of collecting things work until were based on your experience. I was always looking for standard validation I don't know what I'm doing. This coach tasked me to do he. Has He has traded Business of shocking knows better than me. was you had to stand up on me like yes. I'd be that I've done Beasley created this business and if I got here I don t rise you know like how million dollar business that that happened like I know what I do in an may need to trust myself at our end. Just give yourself credit and trust the you know what's violent. We all know we all have especially women and we are very practical that inside it really truly anez like it's so encouraging to me 'cause I joke with our eight of you in command team because we're going places that we've never been in some days. I'm like I have no idea what I'm doing but we're going to try it and I joke with them that we call it the no plan clan you know. Here's the no plan plan and it may or may not work and I think that also is so true. Not only of mill spouse life and loving our service members but definitely as entrepreneurs in the vein of marketing on that side especially when it comes to online businesses. What would you say are some of the best ways to find and connect customers well for me when I started with social media by Bennie was face by now? We are getting more engagement on instagram. And we bring a lot of traffic to our website also from Beatrice. I'm always about having with SEO. What are the main things about Martinis that Platforms Congo? You know you have not teak dog and now a snapshot. He's going down. You know all the facts narrow is coming out. A traffic to your website is yours no matter what so. I was playing the long-term investment Took US law but just to give you some Amazon with a two point. Seven million visits on our website and that's within Free years for years for years. Time to stop you know we got to a. We have such a good. Seo The now we get to present. Milan visits so for me. That was always my Michael I need to Be Link I. It was hard but at the same time I had cleared that I wanted to control my market. Wanted to control where they are going instead of being just hoping that. Sometimes I'M GONNA show up on facebook sometimes. I'M GONNA show up here and there so we were really hard on on that. But it's just that fine whatever. Your customers are highly now for me. It made a lot of sense to do. The Google antitrust Mike my market is teachers. Everyone's faces but at the same time our facebook. She do business with you. It's all making iron facebook by might deter. Needs me when he's doing a search. Woobie are on Patriots. So that's what I'm going to show up. Of course I can use opted feasible to retire at all things by hours. Go to the to the first place where they what they meet whether they be done. Also what what are they looking for Solid advice and giving me a lot to think about this is I wouldn't say a side note but I'm interested. How long have you been like? How many years has it been since you launched? Your Business in. What's the size of your team now? 'cause you mentioned your team a few times and I'd love to know more about that. We saw that in. I sold my first closing generate sixteen. And that's when we were coming to the state so it's been yet for years for years and it's not for Russian Lady Frazier you know in terms of income but now we are in our. Al Said that generate data from two point two million already? But it's the just little by little and now we are having a you know a lot of being open to the first year but also we have on amazing team the first year as ourselves so I was did shooter. I was at Administration person answering emails between social attitude. Everything for the goods eight months and then when I started happening on the first thing that was started building my business and I- retail to people who were already involved in some way in there with a project so I Y- after a month he was my first person that he's still word of me and we'd build a family. I think all of them. I'm very open and transparent with that. They know what's going on. They know that you come. They know what's happening date and with low for one percent. I can tell you a lease jar. Ten people now doing different things as we have a lot of part timers here so I will say that. The team is even bigger At least ten day to day people working with us and they are key and I trust all of them With my life I try with my business as I was saying before going through and immature season. It's really hard year for me. Because I've been going through periods where I may be out for two weeks amounts and that takes a lot for my team. And they being a troopers all of them and that comes from me trust in them fully giving them the tools to get better to grow to become better people that this year At the blonde for two weeks out of the month because I was suffering pain that will see whatever it was that they are. The the fourth is not. You don't have a business unless you can step out of the business And yet like that's the best thing that I- John's to develop a team to the best relationship with That they feel being mad. They feel that they are hard and we are collecting more than me being a boss that is integral in not only groves but just enjoyment in what you're doing and being able to like you said. I love what you said about you. Don't have a business unless you can like step away from it and I feel the exact same way with our team if something happened to me if IPC as if I get super sick. I truly believe that we would not miss a beat. They would keep common soldier on and podcasts would continue our blogs with continue and it's so cool because we do trust each other and it is like a sisterhood. Because we're all militants hassle fool. I just oh my gosh you feels you are with great as you were able to find these angels everything just feed. We make it work at is like a family. We have our fire the we come by and we just like you know. Have that trust having that trust is one of the hardest thing is you have that kind of team. They graze lands on the roof because a lot of companies fail is. They don't have culture. They don't have that environment where their teen conned growing that way in. I think our mission is really when it comes from a leadership perspective with Army Wife Network is not perfection it's progress it's empowerment and it's really bill. I would say on a culture of grace at least I hope so so that we forget the deadline. Or you know I forget to send an email or something. It's not. Oh my gosh she failed. But it's yeah it's like okay. Let's see how do you know how this in time I take responsibility? We have? Okay I mess up my bad that okay. I sent his email and I was not supposed to go today. I really am sorry. Impacted your jobs. It's okay to make mistakes but at the same time we need you. Cry Stacks Accountability. I think what how has has helped a lot as well To in essence seals are the first ones who have to you know lead by example. Right now I think some community and Dan Dan feeling that they are heard. I think that's one of the key things that they always say. When we talk about it they feel that they seek matters and dads can. Ads are among us full of gracefulness. I'm right there with you. Well as we are about out of time for our conversation today which is a total Butler but we are totally. Continue offline later You can be guaranteed on that but share with our listeners where they can go to fight even more empowering information about your entrepreneurial mission so I have my businesses but then can visit dire financial combo. We have a free membership out with information on how to Start Your Business. I share all the ends that I would like to know. When Atas sergeant selling there we do a lot of polls and also you guys have data free resource to start your own business. That's excellent and I'm going to sign up when we log off here at us the best part about doing these interviews every time something really like I connect with great people but then it's like any resource like clearly. It was solid match for what we're doing here is a wn our primary mission here. When you've met you've heard me mention it. Several times during our conversation is empowerment and so we always want to hear what empower means to you as our ABC. Our guest so tell us. How would you complete the sentence? Empowerment IS EMPOWERMENT IS THE OPPOSITE OF POWERLESS. And asking for me empowerment. Is nobody senses. You can figure it out. It's a feeling of self. Trust is love and care for people around you. What a solid note in our conversation on. I just thank you so much for sharing. Not only just tips and tricks in lessons that you learn. But Gosh really sharing your passion. It's encouraged me and I know that it is encouraging our listeners. You are already elbows deep in the entrepreneurship journey. Also those who just have that score little feeling in the back of their head of maybe. I'll just try time. So thank you for chatting with us today and we truly wish you all the best as you continue to share your entrepreneurial message and empower viewers listeners. Around the world thank you. I really enjoyed today. I'm so comparable SCO kick in some doors. An over tables yellow America running down the street. We'll thank you so much. We'll be in touch that with such an engaging and educating interview I really love. Helena says that entrepreneur just is not just about having a job. You said that if I'd like to talk about the core of who are and what. If and how'd she pointed out so many good kits very realistic approaches? Starting your own business for example when she said look at what would cause excess stress for your big breasts or may be having or keep you from having unnecessary taste dress. I don't know that I've ever thought about things like that. And I have a lot of friends entrepreneurship she. She brought some real good point also glad that she shared about the core mission to her business. Diary of an entrepreneur and how army spouses can really grow their business. What's nerve if this is something that you're interested in make sure he s with a nurse on her website. Siree of an entrepreneur dot com or you can find her on facebook and Instagram. At Diary of an entrepreneur official. Exactly that was an awesome interview. I think that was just so great. I love that. She talked about thinking outside the box. With all of the skills that you're blessed with in using the skills to make a business also the experiences we have really pushing towards a potential business opportunity. Our experiences gifts passions should be driving us towards what we want to deal rather than just focusing on money or expectations. 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Why Are Republicans Being So Mean?

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52:55 min | 6 months ago

Why Are Republicans Being So Mean?

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Okay it's like a star wars with the prequel sequel so we started with a two point two trillion dollars Bill which included three hundred and fifty billion four P P P and small business and now we have four hundred eighty billion odd bill which includes three hundred and twenty two billion four. Pb and small business which by my math brings the total for PC and small business up to six hundred seventy two billion or thereabouts. It's not GonNa be enough is it? No No it's not Felix. It's not gonNA be enough. I mean the first package of of P P P. The Payment Protection Program in the cares stimulus Ran OUT OF MONEY IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS. Just shy of two weeks and people are now predicting that the second tranche of hundreds of billions of dollars probably will run out even faster. Some are predicting because the banks can process these applications a little faster presumably so the run out a little faster people saying it could be as little as forty eight hours like because so many banks. If you didn't make in the first time well keep on working on your applications and you're just pushing through as soon as they reopened. There'll be this. It could literally be like you know Lcd soundsystem at Madison Square Garden. Everyone just prices by two once and then votary yes just like a ticketmaster debacle just like that and the Congress didn't really change the fundamentals of the program very much they did one little tweak to set aside money for small banks specifically to land because it's believed that small banks community banks are a little bit better getting money to smaller businesses. The rational will different people different rationales. The rational I've seen is not so much that small businesses more likely to bank with smaller banks. So much is there's a couple of other things one. Is that if you are dealing with? If you'll normal bank is just obsolete crap tastic then there will be a sixty billion pot of money set aside for smaller banks. Maybe you can go up to the smaller banks and do it through them and they might accept people who aren't existing plants and then the other one is just that they don't have everything lined up and ready to go the turns on this let gives them like an extra. Maybe we go to to be able to get the applications through and it's not a crazy rush for them. Yeah I think also they do have smaller clients like I think it will slightly be to the benefit of smaller businesses and minority owned businesses. Yeah I think the Democrats were pushing to try to get carve-outs. Four minority owned businesses female owned businesses and such and. I do think that this was kind of the way that they able to get that somewhat. not exactly and and I and I I if I'm not mistaken there's also money in here that is set aside for businesses that are under a certain size. You know we're right and we can double check that but I'm pretty sure and and I believe that there's also been some news coming out about firms that have you know large publicly traded firms. That took money it you know. They may now have to pay. That money back may not become a grant so this was this huge like weird storm in a teacup which dotted when we found out. Ruth's Chris Ruth's Chris Steak House. Which no one can have a pronounced headlines to get twenty million dollars and then there was one hundred fifty odd other public companies which also had applied for and received money and people were very upset and very angry weirdly at the company's The real problem was just wasn't enough money to go around and no one would have been that angry at the company's if there had been enough money to go around and the total proportion of the money that they wound up getting was like zero point one percent of three hundred fifty billion. It was not that much or point one five percent. It really wasn't that much of the total. But because there was this weird artificial constraint of three hundred and fifty billion any penny that went to one big company was considered to be a penny that didn't go to a more deserving solar company and that's just a dynamic which is going to create a bunch of resentment in unhelpful ways and is one of the reasons why limiting these to an amount this clearly less than demand is going to be just so fundamentally misguided. Yeah I completely agree. I do think that in the second round they have actually made it pretty clear that public companies should not apply. But they but they haven't put that in into the law so public companies can still apply dissuaded from doing it. Because they don't WanNa be publicly shamed also treasury has come out here he said. Yeah Steve mnuchin female. It's it's toothless. So it's kind of not I mean I think there's a bunch of like weird dynamics going on here and one of the things. Is that in the lure. You can apply for these things. But then what you have is people like Marco Rubio and Steve Mnuchin. Basically saying you shouldn't be applying for these things if you're a public company because the whole point about being public kiss that you have access to the capital markets never programs that we have for people who have access to the capital and that is reasonable and then the hidden stick that they have in terms of enforcement is the treasury can just decide in the case of all of the public companies. That put some positivity they have access to the capital markets and therefore they are not going to agree to forgive the loan and if they're not going to agree to forgive the loan for public companies that really mitigates against those public companies applying for the loan invest place. Yeah and I think that's cool but like in the law like there's still nothing to stop the public companies from getting the loan like it's still allowed and Rubio has also explained that they purposely made it so that franchises like Ruth's Chris or Was Pot belly that have individual stores with fewer than five hundred employees they wrote the law purposely to allow those kinds of companies to get the loans. That hasn't changed. I would say that I mean I think we can all agree that if we're GONNA pretend there's a limited amount of money than it should obviously go to real small businesses. That have no options. That really should be getting grants. Not Loans I totally and if you are truly a publicly traded company it doesn't fact make more sense for you to get money another means however I do feel like this isn't necessarily the totally correct argument in the sense like we don't want any of these companies to go bankrupt. We don't want any franchises to go bankrupt. We want to keep as many people employed because if you start letting a lot of firms go bankrupt then you are going to make the ultimate recovery a lot harder and it's to take a lot longer so right and we can. We're going to talk a little bit more about bankruptcy later. There's a lot of talk about whether and how the bankruptcy code can preserve most. If not all of the jobs involved I will say. We've got two franchises to a bunch of Franchisees did the play for P P P did receive a not facing any anger with respect to be if you're actually an independent Franchisee. That's fine what we're talking in terms of companies. Ruth's Chris and Potbelly is not individual franchisees applying but actually the parent companies applying locations which are owned by subsidiaries of the company which is different from a Franchisee and those companies do have access to capital markets and those capital markets. Solutions are always going to happen kind of in the shadow of if we don't find a way of lending you the money on the capital market so issuing equity capital markets. Then there's always a high probability that you'll wind up in bankruptcy proceedings you'll end up with less money and that's part of the purpose of bankruptcy in some weird way is to encourage lending from the capital markets to companies in situations like this way where they need the money to continue to operate. There's another Flaw with the program Which is I think that the companies taking out the loans aren't the companies that are in most danger of going totally belly up because those companies that are you know facing the that have already laid off a lot of people or endanger of totally closing or are in locations where the lockdowns are probably. GonNa go on for a really long time. A lot of those companies feel like they can't take out these loans because they're not going to be able to meet the requirement to keep people on payroll so. I think I mentioned this last week. But if you look at the the industries that that got the most loans. Construction did better than The restaurant industry and it's not clear. Exactly why but that might be one reason like the really really dire straight companies. Aren't doing this because of the requirements which have not changed right and if you read the essay by Gabriel Hamilton. Who runs the restaurant? Prune in New York City in in the New York Times this essay. She wrote she looked at this thing and it was like well in order to get the loan forgiven. You need to leave employees everyone you had on payroll and I'm close icon. Reemploy anyone because there's nothing for them to do and she basically considered and it in the space of a few minutes the idea the businesses especially in a restaurant small restaurants will just bring people on payroll to do absolutely nothing. I looks like there are a bunch of businesses which have just yet. No that doesn't make sense. I'm not going to do that. And then on top of that you have the other dynamic which was the as the New York Times reported somewhere like J. P. Morgan Chase. The corporate customers all got their funding all their loans whereas the smaller retail relationship small businesses were very unlikely to get their funds and again the cocoa customers are more likely to be big more likely to be well-connected and the mudgene more likely to not need the money. I mean this is this kind of goes back to. I think what we probably said since we first we started talking about the first version of this program. Which is that you know. This is the problem when you set up a program as loans that are going through private banks. Obviously if you're a private bank you're you're you know this is all being done on the fly. You've no idea what's going to happen after this. It makes perfect sense that you're going to. I go with the clients that you know that you know. This is part of the reason that this program was probably not well-structured now at the end of the day we have the program we have. Hopefully it'll get better moving forward but if we could go back in time obviously we probably wouldn't kind of Cook. I mean that was the second the second tranche we. This is a do over time back. We could have done. A candle. Didn't do any Congo reopening back. But they could look. They just passed a new law. They could have made it different. They didn't it's still bad right but I would just say that like like that well end of the story I mean more companies will get loans. Good right there's more money one of the problems. There wasn't enough money now. There's more so I guess theoretically you could say they fixed the big problem but like all these other things have not been solved for. Just want to jump in here and say that there's another looming problem here in terms of running out of money that no one seems to have been concentrating on the stimulus. Bill obviously had three main planks to it. It had the twelve hundred dollars. Stimulus checks which will talk about in. It had the PC and it had the enhanced unemployment insurance if an extra six hundred dollars a week for people who are finding employment now it turns out that was funded as well with two hundred fifty billion dollars and I just did seem like back in that can cap calculations and what happens if you have thirty million people finding fun employment for seventeen weeks as six hundred dollars a week and is more than two hundred fifty billion dollars that the six hundred a week unemployment checks could run out. There's so much of this stuff can just run out of money and no one knows what happens if it does. Yeah I mean the problem. You know what's going to likely end up happening is that they're going to do like eight versions of this. They're just GONNA keep coming back and it's not the most ideal way to set it up because this is everything here's political. Every single thing that's being done is political and the more times you have to go back the more the longer it's GonNa take because everyone's GonNa WanNa make more political arguments and so if you just from the beginning had a much larger program that could've stemmed before people were laying off people before potentially for closing that obviously would have made a lot more sense than what we're doing now so I think that's a perfect segue to talk about a slightly different political question which is basically how the Republicans reacting to this crisis. And why are they being mean to use a technical term? That was amazing exchange this week whether Democrats basically said we really need to give money to the states and municipalities but look especially at the states. All of their revenues have fallen off a cliff. Dinner Sales Tax revenues obviously down Transit AUTHORITIES REVENUES DOWN INCOME TAX. Revenues ARE DOWN. You name it that revenue down. Meanwhile their expenses at all up and they have to balance that budgets and there's no way they can balanced by just going to be this enormous pain at the state level and states need hundreds of billions of dollars in terms of liquidity in order to make it through this crisis. And they put this to Mitch McConnell in the Senate and Mitch McConnell I swear to God he says well why don't they just declared bankruptcy and like an issues related to? I think this whole idea of well. We will give three hundred and fifty billion dollars to small businesses even though we know it isn't enough because we shouldn't spend money on that we shouldn't spend and then when they we we. App It is just another three hundred twenty two but we know won't be enough and that very stingy with federal money in a way that I not seeing in basically any other country and I'm trying to work out what's going on here and why does like doing it. In this way as he said Anna needing to Ekit out of eight different bills in one will be the states. One will be like seventeen of the. Pcp One will extend the unemployment. Insurance was the reason for that. Listen well one thing I would say as you could argue that we seeing the summer. Alex you could argue in the way that northern Europe is treating say. Italy is not dissimilar but I would argue number one. I think politically. The reason they're doing that is because the Republicans in trump have clearly decided that their strategy for November is to blame everything on the states. Because they know everything's going to be a mess that's their strategy and I think this is part of that also obviously a lot of the states that are involved here are blue states so I imagine that's part of it as well however this is idiotic for about eighteen different reasons like the first of which is which Mitchell obviously knows which he indicated. We don't actually have a bankruptcy proceedings for states. It doesn't work like that. So what are you GONNA set that up? I mean like we quasi-bankruptcy for Puerto Rico. That's gone exceptionally well. So number one. That doesn't make any sense. And also if you think about it what we're getting from the federal government is a lot of stimulus at least stabilization and hopefully stimulus if you force the states that cut all their budgets. What what does that mean? It means you're GONNA have this contraction you're going to have to either raise taxes you're going to have to cut benefits that is going to counteract what you are doing on the federal level so it is literally counterproductive and one other thing and then. I'll stop talking is that he had the gall to talk about pensions. Because I would just like to point out that Kentucky has one of the lowest funded. Pensions of any state. And unlike most of the other states that have poorly funded. Pensions Kentucky also takes money from the Federal Government unlike say Illinois which granted has messed up pension system but at least they give money to the federal government in terms of overall taxes. So that's my spiel. Yeah Andrew. Cuomo actually made that point. It very nicely. I thought On Thursday when he was like New York gives money to the federal government and Kentucky takes money from the federal government and it was just very calm his new Cuomo com vibe. It was a great point worth repeating so Anna States don't declare bankruptcy as the bottom line it. It has never happened. And there's no processing is has. There's no there's no chapter in the bankruptcy code and this is something which people have been talking about for decades is should it be possible? What would state bankruptcy looked like? Obviously it doesn't look like cooper bankruptcy. Why you do it. Debt-for-equity swap the bondholders. Become the new owners because states. Don't have owners you know so you have to work out some other way of doing it. And it's very complicated and there are ideas for how to do it but it doesn't exist and like honestly there's no way in the middle of this completely chaotic pandemic. This is the worst possible time to try to put together an entire state. Bankruptcy Code on the fly out. No it makes no sense and also if you just think about it like okay states even even the most low states with the Lowest Credit Rating Illinois or Kentucky. They they're they're caused is not very high right. So a the whole idea that we're talking about bankruptcy or is silly but then on top of that if you look at obviously the amount of what it costs for the federal government to raise debt. It's essentially nothing so it simply makes no sense that a state would have to go bankrupt now however this isn't to say that we don't want states to post crisis or pre-crisis have managed their books. Well I mean that's a completely separate issue but it and this is the other thing that I think. Mcconnell was doing that he was kind of melding. These issues. Like what we're talking about now. What a lot of these governors are talking about now is simply. We are having massive. Hit store revenue because obviously we have massive shutdowns. That is not something we go to prepare it for. There's literally nothing we can do. That would like meet that whole without like just completely destroying our budgets so it just simply makes sense for the federal government to do this. So it's just it's it's completely asinine okay. So I want to use this opportunity to bring up slightly related talking point that we're hearing from especially the Republicans which is number one this six hundred dollars a week. Unemployment benefit is a terrible idea because it discourages people from working because if they would be earning less than six hundred dollars a week in job. They're better off being unemployed and taking the unemployment benefit and therefore we are reduced artificially reducing the number of people who are employed and then number two which is Simla is. We shouldn't be giving states money because it discourages them for reopening and we want to get the economy going again and so what we want to do is give states Financial incentive to reopen because if they reopened in no get more tax revenue. And if we let them stay close by subsidizing being closed then that's just going to the entire economy even worse than it needs to be hit all kind of make sense in bizarro world but kind of seems to ignore the whole point that we want people to be staying home and not a and not working not reopening because ultimately that's what's best for the economy like it cove one thousand nine hundred exist sure and the worst part. Yes the six hundred dollars. A week is so that people without jobs. We'll stay home instead of just trying to get another job. And then there's this like whole sub-genre right now of Irresponsible reported pieces where journalists go to like owners of small cafes and shops these owners say things like I was forced to fire all my workers because none would work because they wanted the better paying unemployment. Insurance pour me. I wish the government hadn't done this to me the stories there was one in CNBC NPR. Had One and story's never no one ever talks to the employee is just to like fact check. Hey did you quit for the unemployment insurance? No one ever bothers to do that. And it always turns out that these people needed to close their stores because why because there's a pandemic they need to close anyway. It's just. It's an infuriating line of argument that maybe at best is is true in the sense that business owners can't pay like slave wages to people anymore and unemployment insurance kind of keeps a little floor on wages that otherwise wouldn't be there but again that is specifically the point of it especially right now to keep people out of the labor market. It's so batch it an again it goes back to this kind of like shooting themselves in the foot even Republican shooting themselves in the foot because ultimately like we've seen this with Great Depression. We've seen this with the great recession. We've seen this with literally every single Ma massive economic crisis. If you allow people to you know really get in serious financial troubles. You don't have unemployment. You know money coming in to keep them able to continue to pay their bills. You allow companies to go under your ability to recover is so much harder and the recession or depression will be so much worse. So this just seems like idiotic political posturing that is really. I and I agree with you. I think it's just completely irresponsible. Both from the people who are doing it as well as any media outlets that are covering that in that way and the other thing it reminds me of is the debate of universal basic income. And people saying well if we have universal basic income. That's going to discourage work and discourage economic activity which is a pretty common argument from people who know nothing about universal basic income. And you never hear it from people who do know about it because they've actually done the studies and they've looked at places where people do get a U. B. I. And what is their affect on? What is the effects of having that income on your marginal propensity to get a job like two people with more? They work the mortar. The unless and the answer is work. More and more Having that safety net actually gives you the ability to go out and get a job. It's something we have seen over and over again but it's a talking point that refuses to die and it's made by like rich men who actually don't have to work but are working. Do you know what I mean like. These are millionaires. Jeff bezos has no incentive to work but but theory is working why is get cove in nineteen? Why does he work I just it's a very? It's it's ridiculous. People work because they want to work and four of unemployment insurance isn't going to keep people know again because people know that there are more than four months left in there well and that's actually sorry. Just maybe my last thing and I think that's a good point. Is that because the arguments I know they were making. When they were first negotiating. This is they're saying well. But if you analyze this and you say oh but these people are making so much more money than they would if but you're like but people are going to work more than six months or a year like I mean I feel like most people are GonNa think ahead of that. You know it's just stupid. It's very silly. Everything seems very silly right now. It's like really Damore reached that stage. It was like terror and like sorrow. And now it's just everything's insane. We're all home living off her. Unemployment insurance injecting cleric or veins. Or something I want to move on here and I'm GONNA call in the Queen of the spreadsheet miss. What are the results? Now as I recall I was like what were the numbers that we predicted. I know one of you guys said it'd be about ten percent of listeners. Managed to get stimulus checks. That was emily. I was more around the fifty percent number which say only knowing what Anna came up with. I think if we go back to the tape was saying around fifty percent. And what's the actual number of slate money listeners? How many did received checks highly unscientific? Which is how we like it here on this show. Yes so it was fifty three percent of our slate response. And thank you for so many of you from responding. I think it was maybe like a total one hundred and fifty seven. I think are some something around or maybe a hundred fifty two after look it up because additional ones but but yeah so so thank you guys very much for responding and and I think I mean I honestly don't remember what I said. I think it was somewhere in the forties but I could also be wrong but I'm curious your guy's thoughts on this because I think what it comes out if you think about it makes sense and I would also think diving into the data little bit a lot of the reason that people didn't if they if they said that they didn't get it was very often because they made too much money which they onto American or they're in American. Exactly now we did. Surprisingly high percentage of people who said that they should get it and getting it compared to what the government is reporting but obviously this is an incredibly unscientific poll so that was a little discouraging people are falling through the cracks. And I have a feeling this is going to be one of those schemes. Where a lot of people will just sit there trying to wait for and or fight for that twelve hundred dollars for some time and some people will eventually get some people want but there's really no easy way of making sure that everyone gets to magically and so I feel everyone who deserves it and isn't getting a narrow literally millions of Americans in that boat and there are flaws with this program to a few I've been thinking fools but what was the biggest was the biggest flew with this one. I mean I think this is a pretty good one think I obviously you know that. I think that we should be doing this every month. Just sending out these checks you'll be fine. Yeah set that aside the after that trump the the the government isn't sending checks two couples that where one isn't a citizen or one document is in documented. So if there's someone undocumented in your household and gets a check which is obviously cruel and then a third problem I think is that If you're a single parent you get less money. Even though it's it's harder financially right now for a single parent than a dual You know a dual parent households right like if there's two parents in the household you get twenty four hundred dollars if you're under you know if you meet the income requirement but if you're a single parent households you're only going to get twelve hundred but like you could argue that that single parent needs just as much you know the needs to one could make that argument. Yeah big flaws as P P P now I mean the only like maybe trying to be like somewhat positive harassed. Just you know even the fact that we're having all these arguments. These programs are extremely flawed. They should've been structured differently. We know that. But you know if you compare what has been done in previous crises. I'll just say at least you know if you had asked people two months ago. If the trump administration was going to be sending checks to everyone would have said like. You're nuts. Granted if you have any of this to people two months they would have said. We're not but look I mean it's not it's a little bit but I feel like with. Everything's a Hobo right now. It's also good to focus on the fact that like look at least we are doing far more than has been done in the past. That's true and I've spoken sue. You know families that are like we got our check. We're buying groceries. Were paying our rent like it's really for those people. It's really really really really good and important and wonderful. It's like a lot of money. Yeah but it should also be clear and I actually agree with you that like through the crisis or through a certain level. People should know that they like. I would actually argue that like they should i. It would be tough to do this. But it be structured so that this money will keep coming until a certain something met whether it's a certain number of states are open whether it's a certain economic metric. Whatever because I actually think what you because the problem. What happens with recessions and this? It's a lot of it's psychological. If even if you know you're getting money this month if you're like well then I'm not going to get money after that it's going to massively impact your behavior far more than if you you felt like look. I know this kind of a little bit goes back to you but if I know that wall this crisis is going on. I'm an at least be kept afloat. You know that could actually diminish overall depth of the crisis. Yeah that's really interesting. And they're all these PROPO- not all these but there are proposals out there Going forward long-term for I think Claudia. Sam Calls Him Automatic stabilisers when you know so that we don't have to go through this political rigmarole when we have a recession That just If the unemployment rate you know is at a certain level at triggers certain things so you fund packages and fiscal stimulus automatically and you take it out of the political realm and it's much more Efficient basically and keeps the recession from from being really really really bad. And it's so it's just kind of bad his message from ziprecruiter right now. We cannot be overwhelmed. We have to work. We have to work to keep our loved one safe and to protect our communities. We have to work. Stay strong to stay connected. Stay focused. We have to work inspired to innovate to build new solutions. But for all of this work we have to work together Ziprecruiter. They connect employers and people every day but today is different. They upon ring with first responders government officials medical community the innovators and the manufacturing transportation and food distribution industries to make sure they are finding the right people for the right jobs right now. Let's work together. Ziprecruiter DOT com slash work together. So I have a proposal for the automatic stabiliser which is the. It should be linked to zero dollars on the oil price. Thirty four zero then. All manner automatic stabilizes I'm fully. We've touched on this a little bit on sleep money in the past but it actually happened this week so we do need to talk about it. The may futures contract for West Texas Intermediate Oil for delivery in cushing Oklahoma Closed finally at minus thirty seven dollars. Sixty three cents. I believe was the final price which is something which was pretty much inconceivable. Even like the day before people were saying oil prices might go negative and when they said might go negative they were saying like they might be like minus minus maybe minus five hours minus thirty seven dollars. Was I think pretty much? No one thought we'd get that but it got that and so we should mention that mentioned that yes. There were a bunch of weird futures market technicals involved in. That's not just like all oil everywhere in the world has a negative value. Remember when we were talking about how like the price of oil rebounded from the from the plunge of the Saudis and the Russians refused to come to an agreement. That was rebound. This is so much this is just like a complete collapse in oil. And I'm not quite sure. Maybe you can help me here. Was there any news the cost it or is it just like things finally happened? I think it's a. It's a combination of things number one. It's that the demand destruction here is simply so extreme that even a ten million barrels a day cut. It's just A. It's a drop in the bucket but it it's just not enough and I think people just realized that essentially there is simply almost no out of cutting that is gonNA offset the demand destruction and so that is a big reason. Why overall in many different oil prices? We've seen this massive decline in this is also because just you know you look at pm. I numbers out of Europe. You just look at all of these different economic indicators outside of the stock market and they're so awful and the idea that we're going to be getting demand coming back very shortly like any type of significant demand is is obviously very low right so to just to jump in and explain this a little bit what we had before was global oil demand on the order of one hundred million barrels a day and we had double oil production on the order of one hundred million barrels today and so they match each other. They normally do. You had a price in marketing price. Right now. We have global oil demand. Probably CLOSER TO SEVENTY FIVE MILLION BARRELS. A day is gone down by about twenty five percent And you have global oil production which also coming down but as you say. It's not going to come down by twenty five million barrels a day and so you have production exceeding demand when you have production exceeding demand. What do you do with all of the oil that is being produced? The only thing you can do is store and storage is full and it's not going to get emptier anytime soon suddenly full in cushing. Oklahoma is filling up elsewhere as well. Yeah definitely I mean and I think just I won't. I won't go to too much of this because I don't feel like no. It's too confusing. But I do think it's important to remember that the reason we did see. I'm up specific. May contract does a because it was going to expire embi because WTI is settled in cushing. Oklahoma settled physically. So like if you had that contract and it expired you. My friend owned a barrel of oil. And if you never knew where to put it especially cushing Oklahoma you're screwed so and there are some storage other places but overall yeah this this is an issue we not only are. We getting storage full like throughout the country. You're having shipping containers that are just being filled with oil which then affects the price of other oil baskets that normally are shipped. You know and we oil tankers. This is really interesting. Oil Tankers have become essentially floating storage devices. And and you couldn't that works until it doesn't and it's really really not at all clear what happens when the storage is filled up and right now with very much in the in the realm of the amount of oil being stored is just going up and up and up and eventually you just have to start capping wells but that's very expensive. It's expensive and as we talked about the past you know it's not always easy to just turn them back on and also you. You have all of these people who have lots of debt and they're trying to make any money they can. You know this is a it is. This is a very very complicated process so on the one hand I completely understand what's going on. There's reduced demands. There's a lot of oil building up. No one wants it but on the other hand and I I read so many explainers this week about the oil futures market. I don't understand. Can you can one of you explain to me in real English words because I read explainers. In The Times I read in the journal I read. Fte Like here's what the oil futures market is. And I will explain to you. Why oil is negative thirty seven dollars and I was like okay and I read it and at the I just I. They lost me every time. Okay so very simple Thames. It's a game of musical chess. There are seven people running around in a circle and there are six chess and when the music stobbs six people get to sit down in a chat and what we are talking about when the music stops is the single physical delivery of oil in cushing Oklahoma so seven people are GonNa wind up with expiring contracts and those expiring contracts. We have to take delivery of oil physically in cushing Oklahoma. There are six chairs which means there are six storage facilities. There's enough storage to accommodate six of those people. What does the seventh do they need to take delivery of the oil? There's nowhere to put the oil. There's no way to store. The oil oil is a big heavy smelly toxic. Nasi thing would you can't just you know keeping your backyard. Storage is expensive and highly regulated. And so no one wants take delivery of the oil because no one wants to be that person taking the seventh barrel of oil and having nowhere to store so what they do is they start selling they sell that contract that futures contracts so they don't have to take delivery and they'll sell it so it goes down from twenty dollars to ten dollars zero dollars like even zero dollars. I'm still selling it because I have no way to put it down to mind this. Ten dollars minus twenty dollars an still selling because they would rather lose twenty dollars then take delivery of that barrel of oil which they have nowhere to put. Does that make sense? I I think I don't understand something before the musical chairs starts. I guess I didn't realize that people are buying and selling oil. That never want the oil so this is actually really really really good point because oil you have you have the physical market and you kinda think you have the financial market right and they're related obviously but the futures market is just saying in the future. I'm going to pay this price for oil. And now you might do that because you you know you need oil and you want to know that in this period of time. I'm going to buy it for sixty dollars. Which would be very nice right now for you know however you also people who are just they're hedging. They're just speculating. And now there's many different types of oil right. And if you normally hear about oil you hear about WTI. In here about Brent Brent is what you hear about the global benchmark Brent tends to be a lot of financial contracts because Brent is settled in cash right. So you don't necessarily have to. You don't have to take oil. Just settling getting cash. That's not the case in Wti so that's why Wti when you see that negative number negative number really means that is the storage and transportation cost. So this is. This is my question for you. And a W physically settled Brent cash shuttle. That explains why. Wti went negative when Brent did not go negative. My question for you is does that mean Bryn will never go negative. Is it still actually possible for Brenda negative to? It's not impossible but it's incredibly unlikely right because of that because of that aspect I mean like I guess. If you're totally right I mean the end of the day. There are still have to oil somewhere for these contracts to be in some way connected to right. So is it impossible. But it is incredibly unlikely. I'm GonNa take the other side of that one. I think that brand can go negative. I think cash-settled heavy oil futures can certainly go. Negative rent is slightly lighter but like yeah I mean that's the other thing is that oil on its own isn't really worth anything right. You need to refer crack it. You need to refine it. You need to turn it into things like gasoline all of that expensive. If you're filling up your tank for less than a dollar a gallon which you can do in parts of the country now. That's you know the cost of refining and transporting old recipe that's basically implies negative price of the underlying oil. I mean as I said it's not impossible. It's just unlikely but you are right. I mean you are right in terms of you know it's just fascinating to see like the all of the ramifications of this right because you think of moving forward. I mean like going back to that idea like there's no price of oil right. There is price of different baskets of oil. And they're all they're all making me very different and right now they are very different and what we're doing right now. It's just messing with all of these prices. And then they're connected to all of these like derivative products. There was this. Etf that exploded a little bit. Why would love to talk about USO? We should talk about that and was in slate plus we're GONNA do a little Geeky dive into USO because USO is one of the most Laria in the world. I yes but for the time being. I think we should probably just move onto a numbers round and I'm going to kick off with eight trillion dollars which is the number that Bloomberg totted up Adding up all of the fiscal response by governments around the world to Cova. And this is not including things like you know all of the Fed's bond buying and that kind of stuff but just the actual money that government suspending to try and get us through the crisis whether it's in terms of PP LOANS. Stimulus checks or small business guarantees. Whatever you WANNA call it will already at eight trillion dollars six weeks into this thing I have no idea where we're going to end up. But it's going to be a lot higher than that and the The concerted global fiscal action. Even if it's not coordinated is absolutely unprecedented. You know I vividly remember the financial crisis in various different fiscal responses to it and none of them went anywhere close to that level. Yeah no it is and we're not even halfway over. We're not even halfway through this. Yeah and and you also unfortunately have a lot of countries where it is a lot harder for them to spend. Because they don't have they're not the reserve currency they don't necessarily have any you know fiscal space or they could potentially have more negative consequences. So yeah it's it's GonNa be interesting of that eight trillion. I think too we have. Congress has allocated two point seven trillion. So that's America is a big chunk of the America My number is three. That's the number of extra hours per day people are working according to a VPN service that tracked when people are logging on and off and a story and Bloomberg that sort of about the people who are still working. The privileged people like us. I guess are working from home. We happy raining heavy band. People are working more than ever apparently because you are always at the office now and it never shuts off. And the story is sort of chock full of J. P. Morgan bankers. Who are logging on at midnight or like running out of the shower to get on zoom calls and things like that but just sort of interesting. Does it count as working if you log onto the VPN and then you have to chase around to your child for an hour and a half before you can get any work. Then yes I think so. Because there's that mental is the mental labor of leg balancing those two responsibilities at the same time just counts as work. I think that that's true. Yeah also though I will say someone who is a granted. Obviously having kids is harder but as as as as someone without kids who lives in a studio I will say I liked to his work. Like I'm just I work and then I run with enormous facemask. That's that's essentially and baking cookies. It's so uncomfortable to run with the facemask. It really is. It really is have marathon in one last weekend because I had it scheduled. Now's undo it. Oh my God with other people no no no myself at five morning but Ashman ski the kind of woman who wakes up at five in the morning to run a half marathon with the. Musk on even when no one running the half marathon just because it was in her calendar when you say that these that insane number my number is sixty six billion that is the amount of foreign currency foreign law debt that Argentina has come with the restructuring default number. I can't even remember how many I know which which granted we will talk about this later on especially because this this is not going to end anytime soon but it was one of those things where you're like with everything that's going on like everything so so insane so abnormal and then you're like Argentina still defaulting on their debt like some things never change the one thing I know from Ecuador and Ecuador being the one country which default even more frequently than Argentina. Is that if you're going to default on your dad to folding on your debt in the middle of liberal crisis is actually quite smart. Well no it's and it's interesting because like honestly because I know obviously that will people probably as well but how can creditors possibly expect them to pay anything in the middle of a pandemic and the reality is probably wouldn't expect them to pay anything in the middle of the pandemic? The question though is after the pandemic and just to be clear I think creditors should be lenient with Argentina during this crisis. But that's separate from this kind of longstanding underlying issue. They do seem to be trying to do the opposite of what they did last time last time. They spent a decade trying to restructure their debts. This time at least they're making all the right noises of trying to restructured Pretty quickly yeah. So the only issue though is similar to the last time they initially. They're coming forward. No I am F- plan. Could this kind of take it or leave it? They don't actually have a tremendous amount of leverage. So I I don't know if this was the best strategy we will see. What will it be? It'd be Argentina one. Would it be Ecuador to we will come back and and and give them a a lesser grade? When it's all over which could be another decade. Okay I think on which no we will wrap up sleep money for this week. Many thanks to all of you guys are writing in with your stimulus. Check status many. Thanks as well to just mean molly for juggling this show we will have a sleepless about a USO and talk to you next week on slate money.

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4: Gramps Has A Ponytail

Never Thought I'd Say This

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4: Gramps Has A Ponytail

"Hey welcome to this week's episode of never thought I'd say this. I am your host. Jodhi Sweden on I am your other hosts Celia Bay her and this is a a parenting podcast about not doing it perfectly. Oh God no or even anything close and I've got I've got two kids zoe and Beatrix who are <hes> almost eleven and eight and a half respectively yeah and I've got two kids as well Harper and Lulu who are twelve of and seven yes so we qualify as parents as something so so yeah here we aren't we're casting a pod casting APPADOO. Rodman casting pond as reading this week's never thought I'd say this. You have not heard yet. I haven't and I am so excited are you. I am because you who always text me. We see our best friends and we text each other non-stop non-stop with like the ridiculous shit that's going on on at our houses right and so. I gave you a hint last night when the accident. She gave me a hint and she was like wait. Do you want me to tell you or do you want to wait for for when we're doing the podcast and I was like Oh my God please wait. I I love surprises. I will say that I love surprises and this one of the Serie I imagine we'll be. We'll be a good one. It was something else. This texted you. Last night was true. I somehow my kids went from having a conversation about being a Vegan to masturbation I mean and it derailed so fast and I was sitting in between them that I was like. Why did you why God what is happening right right now like right now what's happening all because I made Vegan food last night. Well not really I mean I bought something vegan at the that was breaded and I could fry basically at the store you're and I made it in to Tacos and so and then there was cheese on it and sour cream so it wasn't it all Vegan but whatever my main part of it wasn't me so I said that and I- Lou asked me how you know Vegan stuff was made then it became. Does it hurt when a cow <unk> gets milked and I was like I don't know it certainly hurt when I was nursing you guys I'd have to assume yes and then that became a conversation about bubis between the two of them where they actually kept yelling like they like cracking and I'm just trying to keep the conversation going and then all of the sudden sudden they were like looks at me and she goes mom. What what happens like. Oh boy wants to have sex like it gets. You know whatever that thing is down. There gets hard. You know what's that called them like interaction. She's like yeah what if what happens when that happens and like they can't they can't have sex like what do they do. How does it go down like how does it go down and I'm like a this by the way if you could see me right now her hands over her face with her mouth wide open like crap. This might happen well right but just because I'm like I. I like that by the way last night I'm like. I didn't tell me those yeah so I just go. Will you they. If they weren't going to have sex then they would go and masturbate and goes master. What now so I'm like Master Chef Crab see now talk about masturbation so I'm like yeah. It's you know God God so trying to explain masturbation and then the two of them go off and they're like glucose away. Wait wait stay duty do these squishy squishy squishy and horrors like no they don't squish it and she jumps up just like the cupping they make a cop jiggle it around in their cup and lose like oh it's jiggles around and so she gets up and she's like chick. Explain what I'm doing right now. She's she's like. She looks like women in one of those wacky way leave jailing inflatable arm guys they jiggle around their penis and then that's how they do it and I'm like. Oh my God and I kept saying. Is this conversation over can we can we stop talking about this conversation and then of course. I'm like okay. It's died down. I text you and say my con-. This conversation has gone from. I'm big into masturbation and you're right back was their transition into that in a way like bubis oh right right l.. It went from yeah milk to Bubis to Wigley. Yes of course I wouldn't do that yeah yeah so then I see. They couldn't have been that great. That's okay so then I think okay the conversations over but no it's not because then has to bust outwith wait eight how to girls Masturbate Hall. What do you do and I'm like Ann Harbor. Right away is like I know I know the answer like all of a sudden her mind grainger. She's like and I'm like no I don't we don't need to so I'm like trying to get into this. This really did happen to remember when you came into my room and you said Mommy what's this being in the middle of Mamba Jonah backwards and showed me in the mirror and she's like yeah what is great so I'm like trying to give it anonima lesson all of a sudden harbors like no. I know it's it's vibrators. Women Women Masturbate with vice show. I saw him yesterday. That was that was like A.. I think it was scary mommy or something. All it said was <hes>. It's it's a dildo kid. Now get out of my drawer to <music> okay so I found this new company. I have to tell you about ooh yeah. It's really cool. I don't know about you but I like never know what to do with photos. I don't always want to buy a frame. I want something like more unique league real mother's Day present south great so there's this company that I found that is so awesome. It's called paint your life. Yes so it it takes a your favorite pictures of like your kids or whatever and it makes them into a painting. It's so look so it's I like looks like you have someone come in and paint a Patriot exactly like one we could never get our kids to sit through that but we could pick up a picture that we managed to get a photo and help them make it into a painting and what I actually ended up doing is having our picture from never thought I'd say this into a painting. Thank fabulous so we are official art right now. Just want you to know that I don't know where I'm going to hang it. Maybe I'll just surprise you. One day and it'll be hanging in your room scared the crap out. We'll Z.. Honestly I was so amazed by what they could do. I mean this artists ability to capture. Every detail from an original photo was just it was so cool and it was really meaningful to me just to have that of us. I'm really I'm really excited about it. I think it's so cool and I really think that anyone would like to have a picture of their kids right like meeting especially yeah yeah and it's done by world class artists from any photo that you want. It's a perfect thing for you know birthday after anniversaries or you're saying that it looks a thousand times better than any painting that we could actually paint ourselves. <hes> you know. I'm not saying that you're not a good artist. 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Bad you should here is my never thought I say this though when this all devolves and Harper says no I know how people girls masturbate using vibrator okay and I said well actually you don't really need one but it's nice to have and you know and she turns slough ties. MOM has like five vibrate by the way she's not wrong and I'm like great and she just goes. I don't understand one thing. I don't understand one thing about them and I go one one thing. I was glad it's one thing it's probably a lot more and she said this. I don't understand how they work. Can you show us and goes. Oh no no I will not show you how to use a vibrator on myself list <laughter> lie down and show us how it's done. That's what she said to me. Yep See here's the deal I it's so fucking hard because you're like like I'm so happy that my daughter's feel come tunnel and they talked me and even like talk about masturbation. It gives the opportunity to talk about like healthy sexuality it also which is super important people talk about it because we don't compare talking amongst each other and found in they have no idea yeah jiggling penises right. They're coming things and wiggling around and right yeah and Yeah Yep. They don't know what the bean is now. You know what there's there's probably a lot of two of the population that don't but I it's hard because it's like as much as you want to. Be like the cool mom and be totally like I get it. You're GonNa talk me and I do want that like I want. My kids have an open conversation. My girls are they're pretty open with me. They talked me about a lot of stuff that I would have never imagined talking to my parents about Oh my God I said the word in front of my mom right ever but it so it's hard because it's like as much as I want them to know like hey. You know I it's great comes hockey like there's a line. There's a definite line yeah and but it it's Oh God I said to to Harper and Lulu last night and I've said before and my my sister actually once said it went her daughters found her vibrators and we're like what are these as she said. You know I would tell tell you but I'm your mom and there are things that you're never going to be able to on here and you do not want me to do this right and that's what I said last night I was like I'm not going to talk about this for the more and it's not because it's embarrassing for me right kitties Andre with this. Oh God killing stop talking gene so of course. What do I say? If you WanNa know things like this. You've got go on the Internet now. Go Ask your fourteen year old friends. No I threw you under the bus. That's what I did. I said if you want to know things I know I said you could ask you can ask anti jody. You can ask Anti Sarah you could ask Anti Lynch then she might be a good person to talk to this like I took our women friends and through you is all under the bus the other respectively and was like go talk to your that's a they won't actually talk to you about Oh. God be worried that you tell zoe basis they won't right. They'll talk to Zoe and be and then they'll come and talk to you and they'll come so you're welcome welcome. Why does why do dinner conversations though always devolve I was have this really Nice picture my head 'cause you know a lot of times? We don't always eat together because somebody's got a dance class or homework or whatever like life's busy so on the rare occasions that I'm like. I'm going to cook and like make dinner. Marina sit down inevitably inevitably. I sit down to dinner and that's what happens it. A A Vegan. Masturbation Con- conversation comes up and I don't know how how or why because it doesn't fit in at all with the picture that I had in my Oh my God I mean I have such a strict policy about not eating in front of the T._v.. I don't let them do it right except on like Friday nights we'll do it moving other or if I'm like super not feeling well or something like that and then because I want to be able to sit down and talk about their days right now last night. I was orange like I don't. I actually wish I hadn't like I'm like why did I not have the T._v.. On it's either devolves intellect scillies and some more really weird conversation or you just totally fighting and I'm like this is not fun right like I like my especially if it's like you made a lot really but I you know the I think that's a lot of pairing like I had this picture in my head of what it was going to be and this is not at all like I had a picture in my head of like like Nice family dinners and like you know cooking together in the kitchen but it's not that it's me like screaming at people to come sit down or like why you can't can't bring your ipad to the table and then some sort of meltdown about that and then like you know one bringing up something that happened to the other one at school or them like Tom. You know it's adjust it's never the pretty picture that I want or or brushing hair. Bro pleat nursing was the one that I was like God I imagined nursing and it was like everything was going to be like soft and fluffy and clean and I would be like nursing my baby a rocking chair listening to like Meditation Move Music and just loving every minute instead. I was like God forbid hurts and one tits out like air drying and crack Nipples. The Fedex Guy Knocks on the door and I forget that the tits out and like Komo boob and I'm staring at my because my tits out right okay sweet like it was not anything close to right right. I thought it would be not if I nev- you know one of the things when you're having dinner with your kids you never think that that topic is going to come up and then you gotta deal with it because you don't like like do I want to shame shame writer and and it's it's you know when that conversation is gonNA come up really because it just usually blindsides sides you and you kind of have to take the opportunities when they come to like have those parenting teaching moments because if you were to bring up masturbation at like they would be like what is wrong if it just sort of naturally progresses. You got to be like all right well. This is what we're doing. We're having we're we're you know oh it's having are having having our our grilled chicken breast and talking about cutting wieners and that's what we're doing. There's nothing worse than apparent talking about sex at a certain age I mean I I watch big. Of course you watch your mouth yeah. I told you to delegate well anyway well. That's because John GonNa John told me to write and thank you for that by the way but it's hilarious and there's the parents on there that are that and I had this realization I was watching which if you haven't watched it it's hilarious. It's all about puberty and it's really inappropriate and middle schoolers and the puberty crawls behind amazing but we need him on the Jarrett but but when I was watching it and there's two parents on their like super into talking about sex with their kids and trying to make it like normal natural and this and they're they're awful lot there. It's so uncomfortable it's voiced by fred arm center. I think I think it's my Rudolph but I'm not sure and I had this moment where I was watching it and I'm laughing and then I went to my them like Yes am I have. I become the mom that's like. We're GONNA talk about bodies. Oh my not even like like zoe sort like we were having conversation about something there night and I was like I was talking to her and we're like just you know shooting shade whatever and and all of a sudden you emotions like okay. It's fine and I was like Oh God. I've become the over mom the mom this. We're just going to talk about all I think we're talking about periods or something click periods boobs and vagina right and just and I finally realized I was like Oh. She wants me to shut up now like okay. I'm GONNA go now. I will never let my killing such a great job. I'm so like I'm so open houses used as like insists three don't to me. It's not like Oh okay. I remember my stepfather saying to my younger sister at one point something about my mom being generous lover lover and we're both like why that's and then posted on her birthday on facebook one year like Giving Ping her a shout out and it was in there you know that she's this thing and generous lover and I was like I know it's online like why yeah that was what I was like thirty. Two you know like it was still that like I don't know you know where people's Moms uh-huh now that I know they view us as weird and gross yeah. I know I know if only they knew how cool we were. We will someday. They'll know I I don't know I don't. I don't think my mom is cool. Still She's not she's entailing well. This is a great this is a great segue into into so fucking into your crazy mother yeah and you've brought some artifacts. I brought it means you brought presence which I in all of our history of friendship I have never seen no. I have heard story of but never seen them and D- I'm honored so so please take this moment to trust. My mom is addity. Yes well my my mom. First of all it just comes up with these ideas with my sister and I would always call them. You know crackpot ideas where she's like. I'm going to make a million dollars doing this thing and they never were things that in a million years sake bed and breakfast right like a fake bed and breakfast that was a interactive online site of an in that people you could open the doors in this in and go in it but there but that was it like why would you. I don't know why you would advertise and then she was like shocked when people were calling them to be like how do I book a room in the end and it's like it doesn't exist since he was like pissed about and how to make money bizarre she came up with Bible dolls and literally said to me that you know Natalie merchant came out talking about religion so these are going to be huge the best. Would you still about sorry the other day and the kids were like who's purchased Yep. We were like proving her point. No offense to well you know ten thousand maniacs big Fan right in the ninety s this was in two thousand and three at my mom said that because everyone's looking to Natalie merchant to set a tone for bibles and she honestly like paid a student money to create these Bible dolls and also were Jewish so there were only from the estimate there was making from and I'm like get used to spend money on Bibles P._S.. GonNa Happen Yeah. She's had a few other the ones that I won't even get into but but really one that she actually took to the total level of completion was she decided she was going to write a book. Children's book who who called him gramps has opponent tale not lying and I approve because because I was grandpa no it's gramps oh I think I said it was GRANDPA because I blocked it out. It's actually thought even better yeah. No fucking could possibly possibly be amazing so first of all she had written she she wrote it and then had it translated into Spanish as well so in one book at Spanish and English it is technically based based on my first niece Donya and my stepfather who is a musician. My stuff is Harvey Brooks who was actually a pretty known well known as she played for Bob Dylan like no no no joke there and she wrote this about him having a pony tail because my mom had decided that it was so crazy that the guys that are GRANDPA's now they have ponytails. Some of them have ponytails in my day. No one had opponent no man at ponytail. It's like that's not the weirdest thing about. They're going to see right this. She was like I'm this is going to be a hit. I feel like I feel like grams wearing a ponytail and address it may be more of a cause for need for explanation agreed delving into but just the ponytail on if kids aren't. You don't really need a book about that. You don't hear buddy but really you do do a book about you need a book about I have not seen here's this for my. I wish I had not okay okay okay. We're going to post it on instagram. You guys so you guys have to follow us at I never I never thought I'd say this is. It never thought I'd say this or we never never thought what I'd say this. I never thought I'd say this on Instagram and facebook and we are going to be posting pictures of gramps has a ponytail why the fuck Heads Large. I look at my skin yeah. I'll cleared right yeah all right remember last night. I have an easier over here. Oh yeah all right it's gone because I used a product called meltdown by bloom really yeah. I was just getting ready to name it. I'm sorry Bartholomew has left the building now. He's dead because of meltdown. Meltdown is a powerful blend of natural ingredients. What's that takes down pimples overnight. It does not contain harsh chemicals. It's got no peroxide. folic acid no sulfates or paraffins wins. 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Two seven nine seven nine seven nine and then you know and then you too you can get rid of your very own bartholomew or you know whatever you choose exactly Ralph's mostly. Try it out. Though you'll love it. I'm not sure and like I said that's supposed to be my my niece donyell though she gets a different name in this and my my grandparents dead dog Roger. That is awesome. It's presented pre so you're not so funny. He's like this is insane and to me. I'm just kind of like welcome to my life like this is my childhood right here. Presented in English and Spanish says presented right and it's inscribed to my very special beautiful grandchildren harper. I'm talking like like my mother Harper and Lulu Lots of love Grandma Bonnie December two thousand twelve she would have done some some head shaking about that as well all right so so for some reason. You can't turn the pages okay you won't have to I have to I have to tell you. The book is not saying it's what no it's not thin but it also so is not the way you normally read a book where it's like a page on the left and a page on the right and it's like a calendar so it it goes top to bottom which is an interesting choice. It's something that's already creepy right. It looks like you're looking in a centerfold okay so here we go. Sam Lives with her grandfather and dog Roger in a quiet loft high above a noisy New York City street already creepy and and it's in English and Spanish but I will save you all my five years of High School uh-huh and college Spanish and you should because a lot of it's incorrect okay send. Mantica is his Spanish version okay. Sam's grandfather and father is a rolling of rolley polley musician whether it blew my stepfather like loved that description of right off that he was like sweet roly poly technic technic- actually actually is that it is it roly poly or rolly polly because isn't real Israeli. I don't know I'm just looking for fucking things in a she's really pulling musician with sparkling is a great ponytail and a Bass Guitar. Sam Calls Him gramps. Nobody calls my stepfather gramps by the way no one right. The House is bridget. Graham says music nourishes the soul grams that makes up songs about Sam and SAM's. Sam makes up songs about grant policing it. I don't care to what to would be. Migrants is funny une- migrants is nice and I'm so glad we don't have what glad we don't have mice. You can see why it was a bestseller. What what you're saying sings while they do the dishes and does a jig while shaking the orange juice Graham Stevens Sam to Juggle marshmallows you you guys and the. Oh Oh it gets it gets worse. You can skip ahead to with his band whistles where she put his young girl into a van. Dan Back on the show with Sam Walk Holding hands at a street corner where a bright yellow flower painted buses waiting for them because apparently the Yanase also with all your Ottawa need. Oh my God that is so picture you guys and I was like yeah. That's like a little girl of getting onto a bus with like all these dudes just staring at her and one guy that's like in a coma or he's like pass out. These are all the musicians based on on break right ball Bob Sunshine Milly Mookie Mogi Mogi Okay Oh and then then they're getting to some weird elevator yeah. It's just this little girl loan with a bunch of like run out Van Right for the studio right and then there's any real supervision of any of these adults with this gile right gramps dances into the control well room with Dave the studio engineer this is she bubbles with excitement and run toward the door. I know she wins over the drums and hits also the fact that she chose really interesting because it's she runs over the drum and hits them but it looks like she knits them and I t s knits them with two long wooden sticks and she oh my God. This is a real surgery you can. Oh and there's a game in the back. Yeah I forgot about that. 'cause I blocked it out. Well listen very painful on the back. There's pictures of them both to that's the best part there. It is Yep Yep Yep. No mom for that matter. Did you did for like five seconds. That's right. Oh my God. I got a holiday and I like ran out. You're like that's enough grades before I wound up in children. I brought one on the present was my mom really likes to apparently make books so when they moved to Israel because they moved which to Israel and they are still there. I hope right not moving back here or listening to this podcast or listening to this point. Whatever shouldn't talk to me anyway. There is is she made my kids my kid because I only have one at the time a book about their move and I just want I will read this to you. It's called Grandma and uh-huh grandpa apparently his GRANDPA again grandma and GRANDPA's adventure a shrimp and a move to strip and move why it's not it just move. I couldn't tell you and then there is why are these people walking flagpole and then they're looking what is that. There's a lot of very far away in the sky. It's various looks like they're going on. Hell Yeah Yup. It's a lot of stock stock photo robbery. There's olive oil to take this adventure adventure. We will have to sell our house. Willia- we will take Maggie Luke and Sophia okay. Thank all those dogmatism nature in Israel. This is it reminds me of you had to do those state reports in like third or fourth grade and you had to go to the library and and now I'm take sure of the state flower our and the State Bird pretty much what this is except it's about Israel it makes no sense at all redundant candles and smile when we think of you we will send you gifts on your birthdays and holidays. Today's right from spinning drills to spun sugar. GRANDPA will play Musee and this is. Why didn't you love Israel from the right now. Someday you will come to visit us. Bring your bathing suits and is that them dancing that is and it looks like no look at that picture. It looks like in this picture harvey is about to grab. My mom does is yeah like full-on. She is going to grab a write in the garage. Yeah Donald Trump would approve. He's about to grab there. You know what I I gotta say though Yeah it's definitely trip so it is on the trip a trip and move this is why I didn't want to become a Ma. I ever make anything like this in in my life. I'm telling you right now to just have me committed that means. I have crossed can the line. Can I post it. I will you should know kind of May completely uh-huh yeah. I'll instagram story. You're being committed. Yes okay that was my sister is deal with each other was that if one of US became mom we had to tell the other and then commit one another so you have been left with this job now that she is no longer with us. Okay you must commit me. Do not let me become my mother. Oh please even for my own personal enjoyment. I will still text you random pictures of nobody you know my commitment okay as long as you do that yeah that will do all right sweet friend. See You all right so now next up is our lovely fail mail and our email is where we ask you guys for your most fucked up parenting moments. Either parenting moments either weird shit. Your kids have done right but happening. They've said just basically any time that you've had one of those moments as a period where you go like wow. I really just fucked ms all right judy. I've been watching my weight and trying to stay healthy. 'cause I was eating like crap. Yes okay so I know I mentioned engine new to you before. I'm still using it and I think a lifelong user now. It's pretty amazing and I want everyone. You want to try it out there because honestly like I just wanted to feel better and feel better my clothing right and like just you know maybe some families and we've. We've been indulging a little bit too much and really it's like. I'm GONNA bathing suit. I WanNa just feel healthy and I also want my energy to be you know up and when I'm eating like crap I just it. Doesn't you know my mood is great. That's what I'm noticing so I've been totally staying with noon which is awesome because it really keeps me motivated and here's what I really love about it <hes> <hes> it's got no good or bad or off limits or whatever it's just about moderation and yeah that's that's the hardest right and it's it's like you can just see what you're eating. You know what I mean sometimes. I don't know that I've wanted to look at that but but what I found is the other night when you and hi eight and we thought we ate too much I went home and did my little Neum Food Journal and it turned out I hadn't I was actually well within my calorie limit for my weight and height which I also love it has one of the biggest and most accurate food databases that there is I can type in what exactly we ate and from where and told me exactly how many calories there were in therefore my portion offense is awesome. It's so great and plus. You know there've been times. I've forgotten I haven't logged in and I get a little reminder because I'm human and sometimes I go off track back but I am not ashamed. It's just like a little tip about how to get me back undoing it. Oh that's eight. It's awesome. I highly recommend it to everybody so if anyone out there and if you know maybe you want to do it no no pressure not hinting or anything <hes> the way that you would do. You know it's just easier to do together saying okay uh-huh <hes> <hes> all you have to do. Is You have to go and sign up for your trial at neum. That's N. O.. M. Dot com slash. Save say this okay then. I'm GonNa say it again Neum an O._e._M.. Dot Com slash say this and you can start your trial today. That's Neum an O._e._M.. Dot Com slash say this and you will not have to change everything in one day small steps make big progress us and you know what it's the last weight loss program. I think that you'll ever GonNa need oh wow breath <music> this week we have fail and it comes from Melissa who is one of our it was a fellow mom Bella Alabama and she she simply said this when we asked for what is some parenting fails. She said Hey remember that time that my child asked me me why my front but was biting daddy or how about last week when I told her when I told her I loved her and she told me to get a baby in my belly and slammed the door and my uh-huh so the walking on sexism rock that's rough that was my I was confused. That's what it is yeah and she actually she yeah. I remember when she posted about it was biting Yup. They walked in on her having sex she posted about that while ago and she they were like deer and and that's what the question was. Why is your phone but biting daddy's penis like Pacman Miss Pacman a Venus flytrap which out with the other day we is that story? I will tell you right now right now and then I found a picture of it. That's that's a story for another podcast. Oh thanks Melissa for sharing your incredibly embarrassing moment about your kid walking in during sex. That's going to be one that we get a lot. Oh Yeah it's probably GONNA wind up being its entirely own podcast well it should it'd be right honestly ads. Should the trash can picking up outside sounds like a just like a bulldozer going to the front yard and all of the squeaky things ever. It sounded like an army of people that were going to show up like knock. I'm releasing. No one's throws not an army. I probably the white walkers because of our podcast Kausar winter is coming is coming right. So what else do we got time. I need to make sure okay so you're old. You have to put you in the time out yeah a few to time out corner by the way is going to be where where we stick each other when one one of us has fucked up on a previous show and we have to come back and and repair done own it that we said something that was stupid or if we got a fact wrong like so. Why are you on the timeout rug this week all right I realized after I left a couple episodes back that I told we told the story of how we met right and first of all I'm I was off a year? I should say it. Wasn't you know because I mean became facebook friends. In two thousand fourteen I went and looked we became facebook friends thousand fourteen that's because we didn't become facebook book friends for a while or go back further for some reason. We didn't actually friend each other. We just knew each other for Mama's okay. I do like a friend request. I don't know what that was about okay so you were you miscount al-Qaeda friendship so I just went to own that really fast before five Mama's like come and tell me about the case also I realized on my way home that I had outed myself as saying to Allie what I was like you know she just that girl Jody Sweden and that's unfortunately named after the actress. That's that's not how I unfortunately I didn't mean like you know in the moment I was yeah I I meant like you thinking it. Wasn't you that anytime bank account right like the Porsche Marque that has I was thinking like Oh my God. I must just get so much had to correct all the time but I I was on my way home and was like I'm such a Dick. That's totally sounded like I was making fun of not. I watched full House. I it's just want you to know I watched it in college. When I was a kid you stop? It's okay I know I know you love me. We're friends he's fine. I had to do that and then lastly. I have to say that are airing of grievances that segment we I wanted to make sure I gave a shout shout out to my old CO worker Amy Brown because I stole that from her and I just hate when people steal things in a whatever that dudes don't don't steal a knock give credit. Don't take another people's Shit on our podcast. That's me particularly like we only have a few episodes. Don't wail now like like three seasons in to start plagiarizing we like. I don't know what we're going to talk about so I'm just GonNa Start taking yeah. I'll just steal it yeah so amy brow that occurs and thank you for giving that's me Amy Brown now. It is time for our crap tastic parenting moment of the week of which there are often so many cheese but we really we try to stick to just one each so I went went I last time Yes oh okay. It's my it's my turn right so alice with your crap task sickness. It was pretty I mean it's not the worst thing I've done. It was more like you really just it was just bad whatever I mean. Basically what happened was as I've been so up Harper's but about the phone use you know even though you know who got times where she has to you know put it away campy on it like you've seen me restaurants while I'm like Yep. Get whatever I'm just I want her to like actually should be able to engage with so she came home the other day and it was after five and so she's not supposed to have her phone and she was sitting next to me and I went and sent her while we're sitting there you who sent me an article about what it's like to be twelve that article that you and I was like Ooh until I sort of read it real fast and I said Oh Harper. I'm GonNa send this to you. She was next to me and and she's like okay so I sent it to her and like I took the article in Texas and five seconds later her phone buzzes I hear buzz and I look at her and I yell at her. Her and I say who is tech you right. Now is after five and you know that you're not supposed to be getting text messages. I told you to tell all of your friends and she just looks at me and she goes you 'cause I just sent it like five seconds. I actually have a good Nessie. Micro tasks moment of the week. I remember one that I did too okay. We'll go because that was mine. Mine mine was very very similar because apparently apparently it's like early or early onset Alzheimer's Mom Raines. I'm getting old. I don't know something's happening but I literally walked. I walked into Zoe's room and and be talking about something and I was yelling at them about something that they needed to do. I think it was oh I was like you need. Put laundry away and you can get your pajamas on right fair great so I walk out of the room. She gets her pajamas on or whatever and I walked back in and I'm not paying attention attention and I'm like what did I tell you I told you to put your hand on and this laundry is still like an she. She was going to getting hangers. She laid taking everything out of the laundry basket in later on her bed so I felt like she just moved shit from one spot to another hadn't done anything while she's done everything I ask them going hangers and she walks out of her room and I see all the laundry and I'm like what are you doing in there. I told you to actually put your your waterway and resumes on and you and she's looking. She's like looks down and she's like I was like I'm so sorry like and she was like yeah. You just told me I did it with the IRO right MHM because of course she does everything that I ever asked her to do so why would assume although the fact that she was in her pajamas and you were staring at her and still didn't notice that I just I I was like that's that is about that might be tight. That's as good as I just sent you a text message and then yelled at you about getting some so we're yeah it's it's it's great. We're you guys decide who wins or it could be. I don't know but you let us know who won. Crap tastic bear moment of the week all right and do we want to throw out our social media. It is on instagram. It is at never thought I'd say this same on facebook. I never thought I'd say this and unfortunately unfortunately on twitter. It is at never thought I'd because why because it wasn't available the whole thing and it really makes me mad. Yes <hes> and so yeah. Send US your fails. Finish your worst parenting moments email us. Oh yeah yeah that to never thought I'd at Proton Mail Dot COM P. R. UH-HUH T. O. N. dot com so many ways to get ahold of us. I know all right you guys. This has been another fun episode and we will see you next time. Remember keep going apparently parenting game. Not Chickens never thought I'd

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Life Advice For Creatives with Adam J. Kurtz

Don't Keep Your Day Job

55:50 min | 1 year ago

Life Advice For Creatives with Adam J. Kurtz

"But I aw thanks to Gabby for supporting don't keep it age of Gabby. Dot Com is a free tool that compares insurance rates across top providers to find you invest rate for your coverage all in less than two minutes. He's gotTa Gabby DOT COM slash dream job. Hey guys it's Cathy Heller. How are you welcome back to another episode of? Don't keep your day job. I'm glad you're here every time you're here. I I just want you to know I never take it for granted and I hope that every time you listen you get what you're coming here for a feel like sometimes you're coming here just to get permission that you're not crazy and that you should go ahead and trust yourself south. Maybe you just need permission to be messy and not to have it all figured out. Maybe an e permission to just feel your feelings and know that <hes> we all feel the full range of emotions all the time and there's nothing strange about you if you feel down on or anxious or if your life isn't perfect because no one has a perfect life or has it all together <hes> whatever you're coming here for. I hope that it makes you feel less alone and I hope that it shows you what's possible level and that week after week you're seeing examples of people who didn't have a road map or a trust fund but they had the courage to step forward towards something that they like to do and it became something that they never ever could have dreamed. I wanted to give a shout out to <hes> to a friend of mine. Her name is E C and Z in Yiddish actually means sweet and I'm so proud of her because she was just telling me <hes> I didn't know this but she she started a business where she's designing these incredibly gorgeous cakes and beautifully designed cookies and <hes> I've been watching her growing this business over the last year or so and what I didn't know as she just told me that a few years ago she she didn't even know that she had a passion for designing cookies or baking cakes or anything like this that she just started doing it and she's a mom of three kids and she's busy and she's exhausted and she's a great mom very dedicated and she just I started doing it for her kids own birthday parties and she liked it so she did a little bit more of it and then people asked her about you know that come to her birthday party. Where did you get the cake and she said Oh i made it and then people started saying Oh do you do this since she said no and then in the third or fourth time somebody asked her? Do you do this. She said <hes> I guess I could do it and then it started you know. Could you make a cake for my daughter's birthday. Oh could you make a dozen cookies. I'm having a party and she started to say yes and she started to have the courage to say eh okay. So how would I double and triple that recipe or what would I charge and now she has business coming in and she just started really small and it's just growing and she's not doing any marketing. She just started telling telling her neighbors basically and you can find her stuff if you go to Z C S SA's sweets and she's on instagram there and that's all she has going on as her instagram profile with her beautiful photos that she takes herself she said with her cracked little camera <hes> and she just started to do this and I think that it's so important to see things like this happen because I think we overestimate what it's going to take for us to actually do something like Oh in order for me to do this I'd have to be Giada. Dentis or Rachel Ray not true we overestimate what it would take and we underestimate what it could actually look like if four people every week bought a cake from you you and how that would feel and how that could radically change your life and then if those four people turned into eight people if you did that every week that could start to be a significant amount of pocket change every week adding up every month and then think about we're that could grow and what kind of purpose and the feeling that you would feel remember that you're chasing feeling right at the end of the day. We're not chasing a certain amount of followers. Were chasing what we're hoping that that's going to make August feel and so imagine if you're in your kitchen more imagine if you're guarding or imagine if you have that honest transaction of handing somebody the thing you made and you see them. Open the cake box and go well. This is so beautiful and you know that you got to bring them that joy so I just wanted to give a shout out his e C and I just think that stories like that to me are equally as inspiring as the Howard Schultz story because again Howard Schultz started with one coffee right he sold one coffee and it turned into one store he started by just having a tiny little kiosk in the corner of a warehouse where he was selling coffee. Just like you have a lemonade stand and he was like selling these coffees which led him the idea that maybe his job opened his first store and he thought Oh my gosh if I could have one coffee shop that would change my whole life that would be everything and then he created thirty five thousand of them but it's not really the point of how big or how much it's that honest transaction of can I do more of what I love. Can I be feeling that I'm living life more on my terms and playing more and we really underestimate that fifteen people a week could actually turn into you know a few hundred dollars a week which could turn into to a few thousand dollars a month which actually becomes a really nice side hustle which then starts to grow momentum because those fifteen people tell they tell a friend and they tell a friend starts to grow until you now need an assistant and now you're doing fulltime so I love of these stories and congratulations eze. She's really an incredible person running around with her three kids without any help she and her husband are really a team <hes> doing everything on their own and it's so cool to see her celebrate her joy in this way and I know that that's possible for every single one of view. I just love it so much. <hes> another reminder how many of you have free ordered my book and really excited because the book is coming out in November and I just wanted to be clear because I know that when things aren't clear it gets confusing. What's the what how do I get in on this so we created the Dream Basseterre program and we had this great idea that the dream lassiter's could start book clubs and they could each tell a friend that they're gonNA GONNA be creating a book club and we gave everyone these book club starter kits and we said tell five friends to buy the book and if you get five friends interested in being in a book club and everyone preordered the book then you're GonNa get so many perks you're GonNa get coaching calls and Training Sessions Wins and mastermind coaching? I'M GONNA be choosing five people to have lunch of every month and then I realized what if people are feeling like Gosh I would love to get all of that value but I don't know if I can get five friends to buy a book. I don't know if I can talk to afford from people and and make sure that they're going to be able to commit and even though that sounds like so much fun so I just want you to know another way to do this would be that you could buy books and you can give for them away <hes> and if you think about it it's an amazing return on investment because I added up what this stuff is worth and essentially you'd be getting twenty five hundred dollars of coaching sessions plus. You'd be entered into a raffle where I would choose five people to take them on a private lunch and that in of itself could be worth about fifteen hundred dollars to have that time. It's going to be like a two hour lunch with five people me sitting there really spending time with you and giving you that support and then I'm going to pick ten people and give you guys a mastermind coaching session which is also worth about a thousand dollars so when you think of it. That's another amazing way to do this. If you don't want to create a book club and you WanNa get in on all of this stuff then the deadline is July twenty ninth by five copies of the book you can give away four copies and and you can still start a book club with your friends and we can send you the book club Starter Kit with all the discussion questions and the takeaways and you could do that anyway but the book will come to you in November which is right before the holidays and maybe you know a sister or a brother or a neighbor or a friend who could really be inspired by this work and by use spreading the message and sharing this book. I WanNa reward you even more and give you so much more value so think of it that way if you don't WanNa enlist your friends in a book club which I just think would be awesome for accountability purposes and for you to be a catalyst for their growth and them to support you but if that feels daunting than you could buy one hundred dollars worth of books depends on how you're buying it but if you buy the eversion or if you buy the audio version that's anywhere from fifteen dollars to like nineteen dollars <hes>. uh-huh if you buy five it's less than a hundred bucks and for that you're GONNA exchange it for five thousand dollars worth of value which seems really worth it to me. The deadline is July twenty ninth. If you want to submit for all of that then join the Dream Bassett irs and then let us know that you bought your five bucks and we will give you all the rewards and I'm so excited to do all of that. <hes> I WANNA give a shout out to Raquel Jones. She posted that she had started her book club on the thirty first in downtown L._A.. And she said she did get six eight girls interested and I think that that's amazing so I'm way to go rebel. That's awesome. I know you guys are going to help each other so much when you're meeting up and discussing all of the things that you're inspired to do you're probably gonNA start putting them into action when you voice them out loud and Amanda Roach US and she said she got two people to join in a book club with her and she posted a screen shot of something that she shared with her friends she said calling all creatives. If you haven't heard of the podcast don't keep your day job while a highly recommend it. It's literally my favorite podcast. I listen to pretty much every day and if you'd like you can join this group where I'm hosting a book club to read Kathy the book coming out in November. The Face Group is called. Don't keep your data Washington State pod and it's a closed group but I'm the Admin so I can let you in so that's amazing so thank you Amanda. Thanks for supporting your friends and encouraging their dreams and thank you for supporting my book in the processes so circular win win you guys aboard. The book which in turn is hopefully going to give you extra juice to do what it is. I'm hoping to see you do I hope that this book encourages there to be more bead stores and more yoga studios and more pie shops shops and more people dancing in screenwriting and baking. That is what I want to say okay so let's dive into today's episode. We have the talented Adam j Kurtz on the show. He's an artist and illustrator and an internationally bestselling author speaker and designer. He's written a few amazing books like things are what you make of them. Pick me up a pep talk for now and later and one page at a time a daily creative companion and we're GonNa talk about all of them in this episode out of has featured in the New Yorker N._p._R.. Forbes Vice Ad Week and many more places everything he does it with the intention of embracing the world honesty. He's all about keeping it real and letting whatever is true to come to the surface and he has such great advice on releasing this need to be perfect and empowering yourself on the journey. I think you guys are GonNa love him. So without further further ado please welcome the awesome Adam J Kurtz. Hey Adam. Thanks for joining me today. Yeah thanks so much for having me. I'm stoked Oh cool well. I really love your mission and all the work that you're doing so tell us a little bit about your own story like how how you got to this place where you able to make a living as an artist and author speaker designer. Tell us a little bit about that journey sure so I like many people listening and very passionate about making things and have for my entire life since yes. I was a kid been like that crafty kid that artsy kid that nerdy kid and when I went to college I studied graphic design and I really thought cool. I'm going to be a graphic designer and it's pretty close to what I love and that'll be my job and I'll work in an office and I'll do that and so I did. I was a graphic designer and I worked at Internet Marketing Company. I worked in traditional advertising worked for media website all the wild doing the things that I loved on the side. I was making Zine printing postcards and then starting to like fun little merch products like I would just make one hundred keychains because like that was fun to me and very slowly it became my career and so now I'm a fulltime artist and author with a product line with several books journals and station area with penguin another publishers and this is what I do for almost five years now. It's so beautiful. It's so the dream you know and I. I just love that there's room you know there's room for yet another soul who has something to share and and look it's like you don't have to be beyond say in order to make a living and find your community and you have almost three hundred hundred thousand followers on instagram and yet you know there's people who might not know you and there's still room for you to make a big difference in the world and I love that that's like the new American dream. When did it actually start to make you money? What was the project Jack that really took off and what did that? Look like I mean money and success. It's so subjective right so I can tell you that when I made these funny balloons that say sorry I'm such an asshole those started smelling kind of behind the scope of my I know it's like hilarious. Talk about it because that was these balloons were my first project really like blow up pun intended and and that was when I was making enough money for my art that I could could then go and print the next thing I didn't sit down with like a cash injection to like build a brand. It was literally like do with a okay do another thing okay make balloons. Oh my God why are hundreds of people buying these now and done. Oh I have two thousand dollars. I'M GONNA go put that back into the art project. What made you think of making a balloon that said that Oh my God so typically guys dumped me like when I'm in a relationship I'm the one that get and when I I had to break up with someone else? It felt so shitty that that was a feeling I couldn't take that feeling of Oh God like we need to break up but I feel like an asshole. I've been dumbed. I know what it feels like. I hate that I did this to you and so I had the idea like what if there was a balloon that could council lateness capable into this guy and and the minimum order was five hundred balloons so I had four hundred ninety nine balloons and I'm like what do we do with these and I posted on my line and I sold them and I kept printing them for years. It's amazing. It's just the juxtaposition of a balloon that says that it's the cutest funniest weirdest most provocative awesome thing but people who are listening may not have ever ever made even ten dollars one hundred dollars doing something they love. Who are you putting it out there to like? Did you have a following at that point like. Where was this going when you were first starting? How did you build a community? How did you build an audience so for me? I have always been very online in live journal on my space and all those places that all these platforms that allowed us to build a little world for ourselves and so when Tumbler started in two thousand and seven I wasn't early adopter. I joined Tumbler about three months after it launched and was just posting my art they're posing little doodles and bits and pieces like graphic design sort of scraps and so at the time that I posted those balloons to tumbler I had probably fifteen fifteen hundred followers and objectively. That's not that many people right many people listening if you combined your followings on twitter facebook Tumbler instagram if you combined all the people in your immediate circle might actually have a couple couple hundred yeah and that's that's all you need because if an idea catch someone's eye in catches their attention they're going to share it and so what happened was I have a huge following but people re blog to that image and people sent that image to their friends and and then it got picked up by design blogs like Swiss miss <hes> but also culture blogs like complex magazine Paper Magazine <hes> the urban outfitters. Oh my God so it's not even about like I didn't have a quarter million instagram followers but sometimes sometimes an idea can extend beyond what you think is going to happen. Yes so cool I wanna sort of weave in and out of some specific ideas you have for what people can do but also to talk about the beautiful philosophy that you really share and so I want to go into your books a little bit and one of the books that I've been introduced me to you was things are what you make of them which is insights and inspiration for anyone who makes art from someone who's been there. Why don't you tell us why you wrote this book and what you were? We're hoping that the reader would walk away with so like a lot of the things in my career. This book was a mistake. I was fired from my last job and a woman in Grace Bonnie who has the blog and books design sponge. She saw facebook status. I think I was fired and she was like Oh God like how's he gonna eat and invited me to write a guest column for the website and what I did was a handwritten short essay it broken up into separate images called simple tips for success and it was very popular because it's handwritten it was friendly but also is this like no nonsense real talk that that really stems from just like the core of who I am now I'll be getting this planet and people loved it and so she invited me to keep writing this column and after about two years I looked back at everything I had written it. I thought okay this is a book like I. I've written some great advice <music> slowly over time as I figure out how to go from having a day job to being my own job. It was like every month or every two months I tackled a new theme or topic that was coming up in my life like being rejected or. A how to be a normal person on social media <hes> or how to use your art to make a difference and so the book things are what you make of them collect some of that advice and then of course it's expanded and it's also this really fun pocket besides format. It's kind of like I just took the course of life one semester ahead of you and then I was like here. Here's my notes yeah. It's so cool I want to dive into it. A little bit because this book is the opus of this show so let's talk about a couple of these pieces identifying truth explain that to everybody so I don't read the entire chapter so identifying your truth is from a chapter about how to be yourself because I think a lot of creative people struggle with this idea of like what is my point of view. What's aesthetic social media has convinced us all that we need to have figured out what our thing is what our voices when our style is and to be so sure about it that we just execute that over and over for entire career right which you can tell from the way I'm saying it I think is bullshit yeah so I wrote this chapter how to be yourself and it's a little bit about that but it's also about being yourself as a person in the world and so the subtitle? It's things are what you make of them. Life advice is for creatives and it's a bit of a Trojan horse because this is just good advice for being alive so identifying truth is like what makes you who you are you know what is that core truth that you know about yourself. Even if people in your life in your childhood family members you know XS he didn't understand you. Even the stuff that people told you was bad might not be bad and actually the experiences that you've lived. <hes> are the heart of the real human person that you are. Are you figure out what that is. That's going to be your baseline for being being truthful and being honest and connecting with other human people yeah exactly and I love where you talk about. Who Do you WanNa be because I recently posted sit on my instagram that if the goal is not more money it's living life on your terms like being yourself like that is I think what we're all really seeking and I love how you wrote? We all change pretending otherwise is silly. Think about who you hope to grow into you and the desire is as important as who you are currently to set your intention inform the steps. You'RE GONNA take now to get there because like you said to think that you're going to decide at eighteen or twenty or when you start your blog this is who I am and that's it. It doesn't isn't leave room for you to keep growing and to keep evolving into more and more of what you really are put here to be so tell us why that's so important to you and what you think people really need to hear about how to do that. I think it all released stems from how we define success for ourselves right. There are some people who the goal is. I WANNA make a million dollars and I understand you know that's a goal. I don't have a million dollars sounds nice but for for me my goal in life and what I find successes is just to be happy and to help other people along the way right. I think we all have to look inside ourselves and so identify my truth. My truth is that I struggle bill with happiness. I hate to put labels on things but like I struggled with mental illness in so identified at a younger age like being happy is going to be hard. What can I do to be happy and no amount of money can make a depressed person not the press correct so it was really about? How do I build a life that can support what I need to be? A Happy Person Yeah and what do you feel has been the thing that's giving you more wellbeing. I hate to say made you happier because I don't think that that's part of the human condition. Oh my God no but what has given you a deeper sense of wellbeing. I think for me the thing that has made me the happiest is just embracing again embracing my identity in the fullest sense of thanks so carving out this space and flexibility to do what I love him. Be Who I am he has been really important and this isn't of course <hes> chew of every listener but I think we all have some courtroom that doesn't necessarily Mesh with what mainstream society tells tells us as correct you know as a openly queer as a gay man. It was very important for me to find a place where that was okay and I think we can all relate. You know if whatever your identity is background is or courtroom is big in a place Leisa doesn't support that will always leave you feeling unfulfilled or unhappy even in a smaller since in my early twenties. I was like so desperate to be cool like I bought a job. Yes yeah cares to my nose. I was like I'm going to be a cool guy and so cool and it's like people can see you. Who are you fooling and so I wasn't fooling the people around me who already loved me for me and letting go of like trying to be cool trying to be just like this? There's something for everyone that's exhausting and letting go of that and just being me dots may be happy and that is what success really is about. That's amazing and particularly because one of the things I hear from our audience often is is that they are afraid to even begin to try to do their thing and their work because maybe it's not something that other people will like or or they don't know if there's room for them and it sounds like what you're saying is like you will find your people like if you actually show up and you have this beautiful thing in the book where you talk about how nobody cares. Why don't you share that with us? Yeah I in the pages titled Nobody Cares. It's easy to feel like nobody cares. When you live in the bubble of your own industry we get so wrapped up in our thing that we forget that to others who are doing totally different things with their lives? The Shit we do every day is foreign and wonderful and that is so true right for those of us who who loved drawing. You might see a drawing that you've done like <hes>. This isn't a good drawing. It's not technically good. The color was wrong. I can't do the shading I don't know how dry hands and then someone in your life or someone on the Internet who who is a writer is going to see your drawing and be like Oh. This is a gorgeous drawing. This is an illustration that I could never do and they love it and this is one insight that I get so when I worked I worked for <hes>. A media website called buzzfeed. Let's bid for only like six months but one insight that I really took away from buzzfeed is that they have a type of post that they call an I._D.. Post and what that means is that it's the kind of essay or logistical or article whatever that really strongly appeals to a specific identity for example <hes> like people who are left handed and so they have millions of visitors every day and ninety percent of those visitors are right handed and they don't care when the ten percent of people who see that logistical full of funny gifts and relatable experiences for left handers they are gonNa love that post so much that they're going to share it and they're going to be like Oh. This is me I'm a left-hander so relatable. He had that ten percent. Ah Sharing is way more powerful than whatever forty percent of the regular website traffic that sees a post and smiles and Mace on right right being a really specific truthful version of yourself doing the thing that you I love. You're not GonNa win over the whole world but that's not the goal is to connect with your people so strongly that they have no choice but to just be like all right. I'm all in correct. I'm here for the one hundred percent and I think that what most people are doing is. They're always thinking like I need more. Followers need everyone to like me. I need the whole and it's like first of all. That's never gonNA happen like there's already people who don't like all of us for whatever reasons before you even open your mouth and you're right. There's so much more power in having three three people who really really get you then have to tell three of their friends <hes> one last thing from this book because it's so on point with what our audience struggles with Rita's the piece about it's not perfect and let's talk about that for a minute. It's not perfect so without these are both from the chapter of how to get over creative common fears. Maybe it's not perfect. It's hard to let go of a project that feels `perfect but not only is perfection non-existent your current perfect perfect will one day be or as you continue to grow your craft basically do your best and than shut up and let people love exactly okay. This is such a good conversation but before we keep going. Let's take a quick break. Most of us are paying too much for car insurance and there's no easy way to compare quotes without doing tons of paperwork getting bombarded by SAM calls. It's really a nightmare so let's talk about our new friends at Gabby. Gabby was started when its founder Hanno was trying to find the best rates on car insurance when he moved to the U._S. from Germany rainy and he couldn't believe how challenging was He created a solution. I went to Gabby site to get a quote. It was super simple super-quick in only took a couple of minutes. You should definitely check it out. 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They just feel like a fraud. They feel like it's nowhere near ready and they're gonNA keep thinking about it or working on it. Do you think that that's a good strategy or do you think if you just put stuff in the world before it's ready before they feel confident like what's your approach to that. I mean I big the obvious answer is in your question. It's like just put it out there. Perfection one doesn't exist in two. I don't think perfect is better and actually I have a whole twenty minute video that people can Google called perfect isn't better and it's about `bout this because we'll think about pop culture think about art like Think About for example Picasso like what's Picasso. That's not what a woman looks like perfect at all and yet this is one of the most iconic artists of all of humanity isn't actually the goal because if I wanted a perfect painting I would take a photo. That's not the point right so we need to let go of this idea of perfection and instead make the work make aac something and I don't WanNa like paraphrase entire you know keynote address but most of my most popular work is stuff that I look at and I'm like that's the one that has millions of re blogs on Tumbler the one that people love so much that they a legally printed on t shirts foreign countries like some of my most popular work is stuff that I did in thirty seconds that was so visceral and human and guttural and like Emotiv that I just had to slap it on the Internet and and people saw it and they were like <hes> yes. This is a complete perfect work and I'm just sitting behind my computer like. Are you sure yeah and it's not about me anymore. That's the beautiful thing about doing creative workers you make something and you put it in the world and then it's the world yeah and they get to decide yeah. I had Julia Cameron on the show. <hes> who of course yeah she's great and I asked her you know. Do you think that everybody really can be creative or do you think that maybe some people just don't have that creativity and she said have you ever been a preschool classroom and seen three year olds who don't like to paint you know the answers. No they all do but the thing that they have in common is that they're all allowing themselves to be messy and then at some point that person gets rejected or gets ridiculed and decides. I'm not going to be messy anymore and you've been through a whole career of allowing yourself to be out there with th- whatever your stuff is like how can you encourage those of us listing to do that because that that vulnerability that comes from being messy is very scary you know what it is completely right right to say that and I think people listening right now allow yourselves to acknowledge how scary it has to be vulnerable. Allow yourself to acknowledge how hard it is to put the work. They're like you're not week for feeling that way and I'm not a genius for putting out the work. Despite a you know what I mean like we're all just people and we get so caught up in the title of an artist. I'm a writer creative director today like all of that is secondary to the fact that we are human we feel feelings and and the feelings aren't always rational but we still have to experience them part of my truth and my identity is at like I kinda can't shut up once I get started and so despite being afraid I still can't help myself like I have to communicate because otherwise I'm GonNa explode though I just keep going and I have been rejected so many times by by people who just see a book in our like no I don't want this by professional organizations by the design and advertising industry awards rejection happens all the time and despite it. I'm still able to make a living doing this thing that I like again. It's it's you're gonNA find your people so really a hanging onto this idea of like I will find my I people and it doesn't have to be everyone that's liberating yeah letting go of the idea that perfection is necessary doubts liberating and so with enough of these rationalizations you hopefully can get over that fear of not being good enough yeah and you just talked about something so important which is rejection and I think so often people take like one hit to the jaw and they're just like out of the ring and I think one of the things you talk about a lot in your work is like how to get back up what what have been some of your strategies for continuing to move forward in the face of being rejected and all of that. I think it really comes down to this perseverance of like I'm going to keep trying and then adding a layer of logic of like okay now. I've been rejected Ed ten times. What feedback can I take? This is a little bit of like I come from a design background where critique is a really important part design an art because it's so subjective. We actually really need that <music> outside implement so if you've been rejected a number of times that's a nice chance to sort of take a gut check and think alright while maybe this is close. I still really believe in this but maybe I can course correct or maybe I can create an entry entry point for people who don't get my exact respective to find their way in and also just because he had been rejected by by editors or you know these sort of professional gatekeepers I would then maybe host to critique and by host a critique. I mean e mail your thing the three friends taking take a look at this. You're not in my industry. Plan your perspective. I love that and I do that really often with my husband. WHO's a journalist because he's a real person yen to me? Sometimes that opinion is worth way more than editor may be fifty book pitches every single day and is just like doesn't have the time to give you that thoughtful full feedbacks. I love that that stance on how it's not all like well they don't get me. You're like wait. A minute like might be good to do a gut check right and like you're looking than this idea of like quote unquote failure as like no this is not rejection. It's like redirection has actually positive you're finding the critique could actually be we really helpful. I love how you just reframe that. I'm sure because you're so successful that over the course of time that you've been putting your workout your audience has said yes very loudly to certain things and said more to other things things and it probably has directed you toward more of what is speaking to your people correct like has that feedback given you sort of insight into what things to make more of you know what yes and no and this is an uplifting podcast castes so I'm just gonNA share a big rejection. That's happening in my life right now so I have this project called the O. K. Tarot and it is a Tarot deck that I designed and it's called Okay Tarot because it's only okay. I'm not the best illustrator it's very very simple. The drawings are are pretty wonky and this is a project. I wanted to do so in launched a kickstarter and you know self published you know this edition of two thousand decks and then afterwards I was like cool people like this. I'M GONNA shop this to publishers and keep in mind. I already worked with Penguin. I already worked with Abrams. I already worked with conical but I have ends and I have book sales to to prove that I have <hes> this value in that world and it was this deck was rejected did four times and one of the publishers actually rejected at twice they took a second look and they were like no. It's still no good and so I have this project that continues to sell. I just ordered a reprint for another four four thousand nine thousand decks all that urban outfitters stores. It's been on Japanese T._V.. It's been featured in print magazine. This is a successful project and yet still the industry gatekeepers who already like me are still telling ailing me no but that's brilliant because that really shows that it's really about you know. It's not really relevant what these six people say who's sitting with the suit but what is relevant is that we live in a time like no other where most human beings not all but most human beings have a smartphone and they're on the other side of you posting something and you have the ability right now like we never had in nineteen seventy or eighty or whatever where you can go right to your people and be like hey. Do you want this and you know how I did it. Ah googled custom Tarot deck printing. That's how I did it. I Google that and then I just looked at some of the results and myself on a box. We have so much power now that we don't actually need all those industry industry gatekeepers yeah. It's amazing and people are going to kill me if I don't spend some time talking to you about how you've grown your audience because it is right now the best way for people to create a business so you have your own people you go directly to your tribe so let's talk about how you've done. This like what do you think is it. That's resonating so much with your audience. What do you think is the recipe so I think it's really important to say right up front the truth because there's just not a secret I have been sharing things on the Internet for fifteen years? I've been on Instagram for seven years and it has been a really slow climb but what I do think is a differentiator. Is I see a lot of Lis like tips and tricks for instagram building and you know there's websites that you can read that. Tell you like here are the five secrets right use the right Hashtag us a friendly tone there so many people that I see on Instagram who have the exact have adopted opted sunshiny like everything's fine voice and it's so fake and when we see it we roll our eyes we WANNA follow diverse interesting voices with unique perspectives to enrich our lives lives so think about again identify your truth who are you. What do you have to say? How do you say it and then put it out there and being yourself yeah and your the kind of person who not only are you you but you have a lot of empathy for other people and so many of the things that you post I feel resonate with people when they're in pain and I think that's one of the reasons that people also follow you because it's like it's such a break in the storm? I think empathy he is one word that I would use to describe what your feed offers. Do you think about that a lot. When you go to post things like what people are struggling with? You know what yes and no right because if I if I over thought it and if I was like okay how can I be empathic today. Then we lose some of that humanity in truth so I'm usually concerned with like what am I experiencing today. And how can I distinctly communicate that in a way that is super me and is the way that I would say it to a friend he <hes> or to a human person but then you know in a sharable format where maybe I've written it down on paper and then instagram that on a colorful background you know but I really I tried to say things the way I would say them because there are a lot of inspirational `rational accounts that can be really wonderful <hes> but really sort of adopted this likes therapist voice and I'm not a Yoki or a therapist. I'm just I'm talking to you like a friend and I'm just like hey I hear you and I can relate and here's why and here's what I'm doing to help me. Maybe it is also helps you yeah exactly and that's part of in your other book. Pick me up which is a pep talk for now and later. I love how this book you make it clear that this is not about cheering people up that this book is about helping yourself get through the dark times. Can you tell us the distinction there totally well. You know what like we can all relate to this when you're feeling bad when something has happened the worst thing in the entire Goddamn A._M.. World is when someone says Oh cheer up. It's like oh great. Thank you wow I feel so much. It's like what you want me to do with that sort of like three of like Oh cheer up that doesn't help me right now and so pick me up is is the reason it's a pep talk for now in later is because it's a journal that you fill out in the present for your future self and so you when you're in a good mood or a introspective mood are filling out these prompts are writing down for your own good advice and then you're gonNA come back to your advice later in take your own advice is really about you and not me because if I walk into your life a stranger from the Internet and I say Cheer Up. You're GonNa immediately ignoring me yeah. My Therapist told me that they've done these studies with babies and the babies crying if the mom says like you're okay you're okay here. Look at the squeezy toy. The baby doesn't even want to make eye contact and all that the baby needs is for the mom to be like Oh. You're really sad like I see that you're sad and then the baby actually takes a deep breath and goes like calms down and it's because you can't regulate how you're feeling unless you can feel it and name it and see it and all you want is for someone else to be attuned and be like oh I see that you're in this moment and I'm like I will sit here with you. In this moment which allows you then to feel this thing because the sooner you feel it the sooner or you can get through it and so I'm curious if you could share with us <hes> from your own life from the book what are some ways that you've been able to navigate dark moments or the limiting beliefs that might keep you down which I think our audience and relates to this really comes down to the way that we think about mental health at all and so the sort of obvious comparison is physical health right like if you're bleeding the doctor says why are you bleeding. Here's what we can do about it right. You have to actually address. The root of an issue is so with our mental health. It's the same thing it's why am I sad. Why am I scared? What is the actual issue here a lot of times? We'll be angry. You'll have a fight with your partner or a coworker. A friend and it's like what is that really about. Is it about this thing that you're fighting about or argue. Redirecting anger fear frustration. That's about something else entirely so you do need to get to the root and then address stop what is actually happening and as soon as you do that then you can take steps to move on yeah exactly or people who are starting to take steps to create a business from their art and they really we haven't ever done this. What might be your advice to an artist who would like to have an ounce of the success that you've had the most important thing that I've done or rather didn't do is I didn't establish a full business on day one? I didn't have a logo. I didn't have a brand name. I didn't register a trademark. I just started making the art and then after years of this. I was like okay. Maybe you need to register Adam. I'm Jake L._L._C.. It's been five years. You've gotta protect your assets and then this year a decade later I finally okay. I have a logo now and it's just adamczyk eight hundred that set and just now after ten years it's a registered trademark and so I grew as I needed to grow but if before you make even one art you sit down and you say I need a brand name a website a logo an online shop a trademark. You'll never start because there are so many steps that all of a sudden the ladder is like forty rungs high. We create roadblocks for ourselves so start with the work start with who you are and grow from there yeah I agree. That's amazing that you been so busy making things that you only now are like Oh yeah. I guess I should do all of those quote unquote business. Things got my trademark certificate two weeks ago yeah and you're so right people will get so caught up in like I will have a business once. My website is perfect. Meanwhile right like you could just be creative so just sort of close out. I don't WanNa miss out on just mentioning your other awesome book which has been published in like seventeen languages. It's called one page at a time and it's a daily creative companion and I think it's a great place to sort of end this conversation conversation because we were just talking about getting down to it and just doing the stuff making the staff. So why did you write this book and what are some of your best practices for people to open up that creativity every single day. It's such a nice time to bring that up because that's exactly what I'm talking about right. It's one page of the time as it's about that. Incremental Journey of just start somewhere one page of time starts on page one and then you go to page to the next day and after three hundred sixty five pages you have written a book because one is a guided journal and so it's mostly empty. It's actually a huge scam that it's an international bestseller because it's basically just paper and actually one of the first pages says this is just paper. The rest is up to you so I'm acknowledging that in the book this is an empty book that you will write for yourself and it is so much about my own journey as a creative entrepreneur but it's also so much about my mental mental health journey of like Okay Day One. We might not even be getting out of bed on this day but but we gotta eat a vegetable you know what I mean and Unday to maybe put on socks and then day twenty. Maybe I'm looking. For a therapist and day a hundred I'm you know finding support now. It's like it's just about that. Slow growth and so one page of time is a very friendly goofy fun place to start. If you're looking for that daily creativity boost ca some days I want you to just write a mantra really big and then other days do a really intense drying. Let's let's see what you can do but then it's just paper. There's no pressure that's life. It's like it's not a race. It's not a contest YEP. It's just you you doing whatever you're doing at your own speed and that really is it like the other day. I posted something that said the goal is not the goal. It's who you become by chasing the goal. It's like it's not about the followers. It's not about the business it's about you showing up every day and being more of you and doing the things that you need to take care of yourself and all that like that's what you're saying and I love that one of the prompts in the book you have draw something terrible that you can't undo because that's to sit right and you will make you will make things throughout your life your career. Whether it's professional are hobbyists. You will make things that are bad. You will make things that are imperfect. You will miss an opportunity soon. You will get rejected. Who fucking cares that's life there will be so many wins and so many losses and at the end of it all you'll look back and you'll be like Oh that was me? I lived all right. Tell us where we can find you. My Name's Adam J Kurtz but I'm just Adam J K on instagram on twitter on Tumbler Dot com you can find my books in bookstores. You can find by like Weirdo gift products on my website. I'm just I'm around the you'll find me awesome. Well thank you so much for this conversation conversation. It really was a joy. Thank you for just like inflating my ego. I'm I'm going to go be unbearable for thirty minutes until the <hes> awesome that was really fun to talk to Adam so let's go over some of the takeaways number one identify the truth. The experiences that you've lived are at the heart of the real human that you are number. Two the things we create everyday can be foreign and wonderful number three the goal is not to win over the world. 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Ozark Recap Season 3 Episode 7: In Case of Emergency

Stinger TV and Movie Podcast

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Ozark Recap Season 3 Episode 7: In Case of Emergency

"Things are starting to unravel. We knew this would happen. But it's happening now on ozark season three episode seven own world. Where your friends and coworkers don't understand your movie or TV obsession obsession where you just want someone anyone to share your binge-watching watching it. Shannon and Faye drew are here for you. Your wait is over. Stinger starts now now now now I everyone I'm Shannon and I'm fader welcome to Stinger. Tv movie podcast. We talk about TV and movies although if you have been tuning in not really tuning in because we're not on the radio but if you've been listening in you know that we have been dedicating all of our episodes to. Ozark season three so we used to have a podcast devoted just to ozark and we decided. Let's just folded all in here where we can talk about everything exactly. So how are you? Today I'm good? I found eggs isn't that isn't that weird. The it's kind of a state imagine. Let's say someone discovers our podcast six months from now and they'll be like a was. She's so excited to find eggs. People are not gonNA forget this we're under quarantine and I thought how quickly things change when you're like. Oh my God. This store has eggs. Yeah eggs milk butter. Those were the main things that we need. That was really what I was going out for. Creamer for my husband's coffee eggs butter milk and like two hundred dollars later on right. Because you're like I don't know I feel like in this day and age we reward ourselves with like. Oh let's go to the movies or let's go eat or let's and we don't have anything to reward ourselves with and so it's food and drink food and alcohol. I saw news news story that alcohol sales increase. I don't know something crazy. Like five hundred percent or something like that like everybody's just. What does that say about us? You know eating day drinking. Well there's nothing else to do you know we've been lucky because we live in a very rural area and a lot of people sell eggs so there's like a local woman that I know and I can just go to her basically. She keeps a cooler outside her house. And you money. You don't even have to interact. Just take your eggs and that's the best kind of. Yeah it's great. They're all organic and everything. It's Nice but the one thing I haven't been able to find his flower so that's probably good because now I'm not baking making what we found. We have flour and we went to this tiny. Little grocery store is not tiny. But it's like it's not the main grocery store in town and the bread flour. So yeah we're going to be those carbs in the car and even like you're sitting in my office and it granted it's like dinner time now even though we eat dinner later and I look over and I see this little bottle of dessert wine that I bought from a winery a couple years ago and I never opened. Because I'm like oh I'm saving it and all of a sudden I went. Yeah I think I think today is the day I've been saving it for the day. Yes and I said. Oh I don't have anything to drink it out of and I found this. I have this little Yeti wine It's like a wine tumbler. Here it listen. Can you hear that? What are you drinking today? Say Cheers at. Can you hear cheering? Yes I cheer. Might be really bad on the PODCAST. I don't know but I've got. I've got some Mike's hard lemonade. Not Loving it but we don't have any alcohol alcoholic. I I like wine. I will drink wine but I prefer mixed drink okay. I don't have any of that at the moment. Seydoux Vodka but if I'm drinking vodka. I'm making a dirty Martini. And that's like a production so I'm like that might be a weekend drink for me. Have you seen Melanie? Miller our friend Melanie now Nelson. Yes she was a guest on one of our podcast and she is doing. Facebook lives every day pouring drinks different drinks. Which is so much fun. Yes yes Well Hey while we are drinking. Let's invite our listeners in. Tell us what you've been doing while you're listening to our podcast. We would love to know because I normally assume that people listen while they're on their way to work in the car there at the gym working out going for a run and I don't think any of that's happening. Yeah great idea. So are you just love to know what you guys are doing? Are you just day drinking or I know some people working from home they kind of just put it on in the background while there? I guess doing busy work but whatever we would love to know how you invite us into your lives and you know what you're drinking. Maybe it's coffee in the morning. I don't know so. Let's hear from some of our listeners. We've got some great feedback. We have Michael sent an email in regarding episode five and the Cigar Symbol. He said the cigar symbol refers to meeting Wilkes as assistant. Jim Wendy met him at a Cigar Club and leaves. Jim Takes a big puff of a stookey which I didn't really catch that. Okay but rise did think that maybe it was that scene because it felt like it was some sort of club like a club or something. I remember is that right. Yes but I didn't specifically recall the smoking so okay thank you Michael. I love this. I love the everybody has their on different details. I know it's awesome. Well then we have Peter who has emailed several times he says that the shootout now this talking about last episode episode sexy ending shootout was the cartel which is what we suspected what you suspect it and I didn't really give much thought to Weirdly but it was the cartel as retribution for castrating the horse so the rival cartel the lagoon card. Okay and and we'll talk about that in episode seven right. It is confirmed that it is the cartel. I'm not sure I agree with the reason. Okay but we'll we'll talk about that more okay great and we got this very nice email from Jay from California Jay being the letter J and they said just wanted to drop a quick message saying how much I'm enjoying the coverage of ozark on that. I really appreciate all the time and work you to invest. That's so sweet. Because I think one of the podcast. I was sort of like half complaining. About how long it takes us to do this but they say. I have something to look forward to every day. Thanks to you. All loving the Ruth. Impersonations day drinking cheers. And when you all say beachell walk you laughed messed it up do it again? Michoacan? I think we're GONNA have to find more occasions to Work Mitchell alcon into our conversation. Well Jay thank you. This really brightened my day. Because I was having a bad day you know this morning I got up and I flipped my calendar April April first and literally just took a white out to everything on the calendar and it made me sad to see the things the missing. I'm going to be missing and my kids are going to be missing and things like that so it was really really nice yet. Your feedback thank you. We love the feedback. And if you would like to send us your feedback we would love to hear it will include it in our podcast. We've got email. Which is how most people have been leaving US comments Stinger podcast at gmail.com? Or if you think you've got a voice for radio we would love to hear you. Three one five stink TV three one. Five seven eight four six four eight eight. That's our google voice number and you could just leave a message about anything that you want to say any feedback you have about this episode or some that we've already talked about and we'll play it on the air we would love to hear from you and you can connect with us on social media twitter and instagram. We are at Stinger podcast. We're also Stinger podcast on facebook. And what else is on facebook? Shannon facebook we have two excellent discussion groups. Ozarks dirty laundry obviously devoted his Ark and our TV and movie discussion with Stinger Group. Which covers anything. Your heart desires right so in fact we frequently poll people in there and say what he watching people come in and say. I just started binging. This show anybody else seen it so I have two shows that I'm watching right now specifically because people were talking about it in that group. Yes yes yes so anyway. That's great but it is time now to go to Missouri Con. We're not going to miss you con. We're going to the show me state of Missouri and talking. We're GONNA talk about episodes Evan. This episode opens with Ruth being interrogated. Now not waterboarded. Nothing crazy. She's at the police station with Maya and Trevor of the FBI agents. And Helen is there. Is there Protecting her representing her. I guess during this and she does make the statement that they're here voluntarily so ruth wasn't arrested or brought in or anything obviously she. They know that she has had some dealings. They've seen her in the casino with Tommy and Frank Junior and they want to know what she knows about. These guys getting gunned down and the truck full money blowing up Robert Really puts the pressure on and Ruth is tough and he says look. We already know that. Casey mob moves money for bird enterprises and he's threatening ruth but where? I got confused is that he said the truck was a hundred miles from the casino. And I don't really understand like. Is that the norm. I I always got the impression that wherever they were doing this drop. It wasn't like Super Far Away from ozark. I know ozarks. Not the name of the town but you know what? I mean right Yeah does that normal or what? I didn't find that odd. Because Sh- ruth have been talking many times about moving the location making sure there was no pattern or anything so I feel like there was something in episode six. Where he's she said to them. We're going to meet at the drive in and he's like what are you crazy. That's so far away and she's like you know fuck you were doing it anyway. Okay but I guess what I'm asking. Is they the? Fbi is saying you regularly do business with this. Trucking company like they bring in supplies. Let's say in quotes for the Casino and he's saying why would you have been meeting them one hundred miles from the casino and I guess my question is anytime they've had their meeting? Has It always been a far distance from the casino like I always assumed it was somewhere? But we're saying maybe it was fifty miles out now. She made it one hundred miles out or something like that. Okay do we know a? I don't know all right so you guys help us out here because this is this is something that we had some about. And maybe like for Ruth in the episode where they locked her in the back of the truck took her out somewhere just dropped her off. I mean maybe that makes more sense that she's fifty miles out of town and has no way to get back. I don't know I was just confused about that. So you're thinking that when they're doing okay. I just feel like we have a different idea of what's happening like. Are you thinking that when they're doing business with the trucking company that they're like delivering supplies? I thought that yes they do that. But these drops were just solely secretive drops of money that no one's supposed to know about so they could be. They need to be away from the Casino. Okay I guess I just didn't pick up on that because when I was watching the scene I was thinking wait. Did they move the truck one hundred miles away but I guess they just always been out of town for these drops and I think okay. Sorry to waste it ruins time. I mean I could be wrong. Okay so next. We see Frank and Marty in their cars in a parking lot somewhere. Talking and frank is yelling at Mardi Mardi tells them that the lagunas cartel was responsible for this. There's a cartel war. This is what's happening as I suspected. Es and he says and he said well. I thought they don't normally do business. You know north of the border and frank's not Frank Marty says well. It crossed the border because Tommy was talking to the feds Right I don't know if he said it at this point I don't think Mardi knew that at this point. No I think that was a little bit later. Yes but I at this point. I'm like well. That's why it crossed the border and Marty is trying to calm frank down. And he's saying I am not a patient man. Mardi get your fucking house in order and but the biggest thing I took away from that scene is like why are they both driving such shitty cars. I mean Franks mob boss. And what's he driving like Lincoln towncar and not even like a new one? I mean that's sort of a mob car but I mean I think Mardi driving an olds cutlass or something. Yeah well you're not supposed to flaunt your money if you're like okay. Yes but Dr like a nice Hyundai Sonata shoving right there. You don't be Su. Yes yeah spoiler see. I'm not really clear on the still. I'm still trying to figure this out because if the lagunas cartel wants the Navarro cartel to go down. Wouldn't they want Tommy to talk? To- that's that's a very good point. Why did the LAGUNAS cartel shoot up? Those people was strictly to torch the money. I mean they didn't know I mean I don't know how much they know about the business dealings. Did they know it was the Kansas City mob? And Not Mardi. I don't I don't know I don't know either and it seems a little odd to me even I think it was Peter's comment. That said that it was retribution. For the Horse still wouldn't they? I mean that money is going. I guess I'm not really clear the trail of the money. I thought that money that money is coming from the mob to ruth. Ruth is taking the money. I need someone to explain. All of this money exchange. I thought Ruth was supposed to be paying those guys off to keep the mob quiet but in a previous episode we saw them giving her bags of money so our she laundering money for them. And that's the payment that's keeps them happy because they're laundering money at the casino for the mob and still. Why does the cartel care? And how does this hurt Marty? I agree with all of those questions. I don't know and so again this is why Shannon and I will never be caught in a money laundering operation because we would be like what am I not smart devices to deal with this money. It was funny because in season one when my husband and I I watched Ozark we. There was one episode. You remember where he explains. Jona how money laundering works. Yes okay yes so then I. We rewound Matt and watched it like four times. We're like okay. Wait a minute. Wait actually really launder. The money like wash the money and I'm like wait. It's just a a figure of speech. They literally wander the money. I mean I get it. It's just I think in a nutshell it's trying to put large sums of money through legitimate channels and that's how you end up saying Oh this. This pencil costs five thousand dollars. You remember that with a with a cat right well. No not even that. I'm talking about our own. Us government where if you start looking at the balance sheets and you'll see like a toilet cost thirty thousand. Oh Yeah Yeah. And it's clear that money gets buried all the time because they don't expect people to really go back and start like wait a minute. That doesn't sound right. Yeah so yeah. It's just putting dirty money through legitimate channels but it did take me a while to figure out how that could actually work so just to speak to your point of how we will never be successful. Money Launderer right and when Marty was down in maybe it was Michelle Walken. At Navarro's house could have been and he and the there's a red flag on that one offshore account in Panama. And he says well I gotTa do this this and this and this I like my eyes just glazed over Mardi fixed. It may exactly exactly okay. So after Mardi frank other little encounter we cut to Charlotte. Yeah and Jona. Yes and just Jones saying how he just witnessed this massacre. And he said are you okay? And he's like yet. Is that weird? And that's when I realized nobody knows that he saw the whole thing right at any actually has footage of it too. Yep that's gotta be useful at some point. Yeah could be there. There's a very brief comment. Where Charlotte says errant won't text her back so either. Helen still has her phone and she's grounded or whatever. I don't know why that comment was there but it could be significant. Oh right right okay. I didn't think about that. We don't know so. We see Ben at the police station. This episode they do a really good job of just slowly painting. This picture of what happens to Ben. When he's not on his meds yes good. He's clearly starting to lose it like she's been in there for hours what's going on and he's getting more and more exasperated and I wrote in my notes. He's going to blow Rome. Eat while we knew we knew this. Yes we've known this for quite some time but ruth remains cool under pressure until and she's still cool but Evan Evans plants a seed Trevor Evans the FBI agent about her about cade being killed. Yeah and she just said No. I'll answer this. You don't know booking thing about me. And my daddy and she just basically shuts him down and to be fair. None of us really know the true story that is true. And but he's planted a seed. They're on the seat continues to grow in this episode because he says this is the cost of loyalty to. Mardi bird and that comes into play at the very end of the episode. I won't jump ahead but we'll come back to the cost of loyalty to Mardi Bird right right well. Ben Finally gets to talk to Ruth and he tells her his story He says you know Wendy left when she was eighteen years old. I spent most of my life my mets so he's trying to convince her he'll be fine. I don't really think so. I just have to say though. I wish I looked up the name of the actor who plays Ben because he was such a poignant scene you know he says he says you know she left when she was eighteen. She has no idea he clearly has some resentment towards Wendy. He said he spent most of his life off his meds and just the way he can tear up and just like wipe his eyes with the back of his hand. It was just such a poignant scene Yes really really been you know. I thought he was excellent in this episode. Yep He has been. He's been one of my favorites along so then we had Helen. Helen is talking to Marty and says you know you need to work faster. You need to get my In your pocket and then the phone rings Wendy's there to Wendy's phone rings and she doesn't answer it says blocked call so she I guess assume Navarro and she doesn't answer then it rings again and Helen picks it up on Helen's phone Oh really yes oh I thought that the first phone was. Wendy's the second phone was Helen. Helen picks it up and she gives her up immediately. That sense she's right here. Yeah okay I thought he called again now on Wendy's phone. Helen just picked it up. It was like you're gonNA talk to him. Okay okay yes got it well. Wendy has some words for Navarro. She tells him Marty and I are the brand. We are your shield if our brand gets damaged sodas your safety net and deemed the balls on this woman to talk to him. That way. Del I I don't know I don't know where she has her second because we had someone in our ozark group on facebook who is just now watching season two and she made a comment. Something like wow. She has wendy balls or something like that like she was referring to. Wendy really being ballsy and I've just like yeah this weight because re Wendy compared to season to Wendy. Yeah yes. She's being pretty forward with Navarro but He's like your brand and but it's clear by the end that he's he has listened to what she said. Yeah he is listening his which I can't I just find a little bit. I find it a little bit unrealistic. How much he trusts her and has just brought her in. I mean I guess it has been months probably closer to a year that they've been dealing with each other but I'm just I'm just not sure I buy it. I feel like Navarro is not a very accurate character. Based on what Shannon your experience with drug lords. What I did the last time I hit Hook through a drug lord. He was very receptive to what I had to say. This My Gosh okay. I think he should just be meaner and more like I don't need you right in. Unless he was like enamored of Wendy like thought I duNNo. I just don't see I don't see it I don't know but can we. Can we go to the next scene because it was so? That was a good scene. I had gone so sue. The therapist shows up in a can't quite identify the car. I feel like it was a McLaren but I'm not positive but it's a really like bright yellow like not the kind of car that and she later reveals that she got like one hundred grand for Mardi. I'm not even sure that one hundred grand would cover that car but he comes and he goes. What's this and she goes? It's a car and he said it's a transformer to send it back and he tells her. Please get back in the toy and leave. Yeah I spoke to you about conspicuous spending. Yes how stupid can she be well? We'll find out well. She starts talking about the attack. You know the truck bombing and she's like what's this us like she's of it. There's no us like right away right. Yeah no she needs. Yeah why she even stop by. I mean what she really be that stupid. I mean it was good. It made for good entertainment but what she really be that stupid and then stopped by the House to flaunt it. Yeah I do not care. It was still entertaining. It was it was well. What is next Wendy and Ben? Yes so well before Wendy even enters. Ben is down in basement packing. Oh yeah he's frantically packing and I'm thinking wow he sounding sort of paranoid right now and I'm wondering if this is like a manic episode that he's experiencing seems that way. Yeah so when it comes downstairs you know the kids go upstairs like let's tell mom. Wendy comes downstairs and you know. He's like he's talking to Wendy. He pointed her and you could see his finger shaking. Yup and I just. I felt so sorry for him. He did a really good job in that scene. Did you. How did you feel towards Ben in that scene I I was tense. See I'm just getting a little scared of him because I know this is obviously building to something and it's kind of scaring me and I just want everything to be okay. I think we know where this is going. I think Ben is going to have well. I definitely have some predictions by the end of the episode. But I think Ben is going to end up killing somebody or something significant skullcap pretty violent something violent. Yeah I go there. Based on the way we were introduced to him in the first place. We've said that before. Yeah so what I liked about this episode though is that there were a lot of secrets revealed so because I think the next scene is Marty is talking to the FBI agents. Right and Helen. Helen Right yes and they revealed. Tommy was working with the feds and I think that Trevor assumed that they knew that he assumed that they figured out that he was working with the feds. That's why Marty was behind. This and Marty is shocked. He had no idea yes they think. Marty is responsible for the mob hit so that they couldn't rat him out for the arson on the casino boat right exactly yes which could easily will exonerate Marty. But kind of but both he and Helen. You can see they're like Oh my God. What did he tell them? Wait a minute wait a minute what I think. Just put something together here k if the FBI thinks that. Marty ordered that hit because Tommy was working with the FBI so they wouldn't blame Mardi for the arson on the Casino. Maybe that was the cartels reasoning. They made the cartel kill those guys because they knew the FBI would think it was Marty. That's how they get to Marty I don't that's how they pin it on Marty. I'm not sure that just kind of popped into my head when I was thinking through all this the thing is. We don't know why we don't know why that happened was it. Was it a message to Marty? Was it a message to the Navarro cartel wasn't right. A message to Tommy talking to the feds. I don't know it doesn't really make sense yet. No because I'm not sure. How would the lagoon cartel know that? Tommy was talking to the fat like Thomas. Not even in the cartel. You telling me that the lagoons cartel who's in a war with the Navarro cartel is monitoring everything that's going going on in fucking lake the ozarks exactly and it's not sure that that and let's go that if it was the the lagunas cartel they were following. Marty for days and then suddenly they just leave Marty alone and go to this drop spy. Think they sat Mardi up. I think maybe they set Mardi up because of Mardi goes down. Navarro goes down okay. Y'All help come might be help. We need help. We need all right. Okay frank and ruth. Oh excuse me frank junior and ruth And he's kind of losing it with Ruth but she now knows that Tommy was a snitch. Yep and Maya is just kind of in the background watching everything I think. She sees frank junior as a weak point. Because he's crazy hot head but more importantly she sees Sam as a weak point. Because Sam of course not smart and. I don't know why Wendy wouldn't affect her that in to refresh your memory. Sam is the real estate agent who inherited all the life insurance money from his mother and is now set to gamble and lose at the Casino and of course he played it kind of like a nervous. Nellie when he should've just said I'm gambling there's nothing illegal about it and I'm losing money. There's nothing illegal about that either. Exactly he does. He says right since she thinks she can scare him did and if it were you and I doing it. I think we probably would have been like. Oh I wasn't doing anything wrong rattled either. One of US would have been like aunt your point like we like we wouldn't Chandler Ruth which your point right right. Yeah so Sam Calls Marty. And he's like. Hey you know they want. They want all my financials they want to expect all my money and Marty's like they can't do that they have no reason that go home leave me alone Sam right off. Yeah then Oh gosh than bad scene case as soon as she walked out. We're talking about reactor as soon as she walked out a well. I mean that's camera angles. That's how they do it. Yeah I I knew. I'm like Oh shit. Something's going to happen yet. I thought home was GonNa grab her or something but it was worse than that Frank. Junior beat the snot out of her. Yes and she's in. The hospital severely injured broken. Ribs had internal bleeding. They had to do surgery but she will recover abandoned. Wendy Martier all there at the hospital. three comes out and says okay you can go see her now and Ben goes in and then we have Mardi and Wendy talking in the waiting room and Marty says you know this thing with my is not working out. It's not moving very quickly and Wendy. Says I might have an end around right but a nice that they're on the same team. Yeah at least for these few seconds of the episode. Yeah because it changes it changes but at that point I mean come on. Do we really want to see Wendy? Mardi go their separate ways. They're better other. No Yeah I don't we get to a Helen Erin. Seen and I'm thinking okay. This is GONNA BE JUICY. But it wasn't really juicy. It was really just Helen talking to Erin about Tommy and you know errands kind of like I just. I just saw him two days ago and Helen thinks it would be best if she goes back to Chicago and I think it would be best if she goes back to Chicago. She says I don't really want to go back. I'd rather stay here because all my friends. Are you know summer programs and I would just be hanging around with Dad's girlfriend and they sort of like a bonding moments. They're talking about gaps in Vegan cheese. Yes exactly and I'm wondering though if errands going to start digging you think. I'm still not sure where the hell are going with. Aaron's character I just don't know she's got to be leverage at some point leverage against Helen. Four Helen. I don't know yeah yeah well three goes to tell Wyatt. That risks in the hospital is like did you get taxed in why it's like a. I I with I thought he genuinely just didn't give a shit it. He was just kind of sitting there at the table with his head in his hands. And he's like well you know. Thanks for telling me okay. Fine But then we see he's kind of thinking it over and then we have more on that later right right not later right and at that point though. I'm wondering three know what Ruth did no because he keeps okay. What happened between you two three okay? Free they don't want three two. Okay okay so why. It knows but three doesn't know right right all right. Then we get a really good scene between Mardian frank with their shitty cars again and Marty's basically like just go to town on Frank over what Frank Junior did to ruth and frank is like he was out of line. It was wrong and he saying. Remember what you said. Mardi COOLER HEADS COOLER HEADS. Marty's like fuck that you can't control your son and you didn't know Tommy was the Snitch your fucking liability and were done and I'm like can you really do that with the mob. I mean well I don't know but I was like go marty again. I just love. It's a combination of the character of Marty Bird and Jason Bateman execution of it but just the the dryness the matter of fact and the non emotion that he doesn't mean he gets heated. Sure but it's always call just ask controlled very very awesome. He's always simmering not boiling. Yes and you know. It's really funny. So I watched him in arrested development and he's the same character just on the humorous side right and it's funny because it's like the same thing but this is you know I don't know I wonder if he's really liked that I think it is. I talked to my sister about this before and she was like. Oh it's just Jason Bateman playing himself over and over all right next scene. Is Wendy meeting with someone? We don't know who this is new character. I just said meeting with a hotshot about her foundation. It's clearly someone with connections Political ambitions and. I'm wondering if this is someone that's related to the FBI in some roundabout way because she said she may have a workaround. Oh interesting Yep I don't know but it's clearly someone who has ambitions. I don't know what his role is and again. This is when it gets a little like business in over my head because she starts talking about a company. I think called Blink. Check blinked. Check this I do know what this is okay. I do know what this is. This is the company that Marty went to Maya with and said. Hey you good. You guys couldn't catch them. Oh here's the information. I can get them for you and Maya's like I'm sorry. You can't pretend that you're working for the you can't take the deal without taking the deal and she shut it down so he gave that information to Wendy and Wendy is giving it to this guy because apparently this guy can use it against this company. Okay but hold on. So does that mean. This guy is Maya's boss because remember Maya later says. Oh you you went and gave it. You gave it to my boss or whatever she says hospital. Oh because Wendy gave it to this guy who then gave it to. I don't think so. I think that was. That was a whole separate thing we did. She say that later. Maya does at the hospital okay. Then I think what's happening here is this. Is this guy that when he's talking to is a politician. He's because she she talks to him about you. Want to be elected. You want to be reelected politician of okay. And she wants him on her advisory board for her social foundation attorney general or something but yes politician. Okay and I think that for some reason he wants to take down this blank check company. He must have some history with them. So she's giving him the ammunition to go to the FBI to reopen the involved in the God. It okay. This makes so much more sense yes. I'm so glad that you picked up on the things that I didn't PICK UP ON T. We are we are except for when it comes to guitar symbols. No-one no-one emailed us recently about the guitar. Simple okay all right so then Martin at the hospital and it's actually this next scene where we see him talking to. Maya and I did not connect the two things where she saying. Oh so you're just gonNa take this information and give it to my boss. And he goes you want me to be a better asset be a better handler And it's clear. She knows what's what she knows what Sam is doing. She knows everything that's going on. Yeah she just Mardi won't say it. He can't say it but like she knows. Yep Yep and this just fascinates me because I feel like this is real. I mean I really believe. This is how a lot of the world works. Everybody knows that everybody is in everybody's pocket but nobody says a word right and they pretend it's not happening but is right but it is well then we've got a daddy. Wyatt where what why? Leans House by Lean yes Darlene asks him. What happened with Ruth and why it seems has it into teller for a minute. He's not sure but then he does he. He's tells her that Ruth Killed His dad and she says maybe she had a good reason. And she's turning Wyatt Against Martin. Bird again this yes act to the. What is it cost you to be loyal to Mardi Bird? Yes yes. She tries to convince him. That it's Marty's fault. And then then she dropped a freaking bomb show. I can't believe she did this. She tells why did she kill Jacob C White Face Right? I wrote in my notes. Oh Shit I don't think why it is okay with this. I hope he's not okay with it but I was like dude. Tell me that you're not terrified right now. I don't know why she convinces him to go. See Ruth which he does later on but right. That was a shocker. To me I thought she pulled that out way too soon in the relationship. Yes but I think there was a reason for this scene so she specifically mentions Cherry pits in his coffee. And I feel like there's a reason that she brought that up like it's GonNa come back somehow because she didn't just say I killed him. She talks about specifically how she denied it. She's giving trying to give him an idea either. Giving him an idea that he will use. Or maybe he's going to use it against her at some point. You know where. Do An autopsy on Jacob or I don't know I don't know but I just felt like she's going to try to get him to kill Marty. I don't know I don't know where this was all going but that. Yeah that is an interesting point that she specifically say throw in specific things like that. I mean it's not like they're trying to catch us up on what happened last season. I feel like there is. It was an it doesn't right okay. This next scene Sue and Helen. And I'm just like sue honey you re to She just she does not understand what she has gotten herself into. And my notes. Oh Sue you're not going to be around long and then Helen goes. I'll make sure you're taking care of. Yep Yep it might. My notes says yes. Who's dead right well? Now that I think about it I said a hundred thousand dollars but I'm not entirely sure. That was the correct amount. I'm like really. You're going to try and squeeze more money out of them unbelievable. Yeah God's crazy mistake big mistake but her days are numbered. Anyway all right. Maya is trying to appeal to Wendy. Now she did. I miss something not really but I just like to point out my attention to details so Jonas in the garage playing beast slayer and they show the high score screen. Mardi Mardi Jonah. Jones got his third high score. I wanted to let you know. Okay I don't think it's relevant to anything but there you go well. I think it's interesting. Maybe it's trying to say that Joan is taking after Marty moving in his footsteps being very good very good all right so my comes to see Wendy and tells her that Mardi needs to take the deal and Wendy clearly didn't know anything about this deal. But she was like she did and my is like okay. Well you know that this was the deal and he was gonNA take and when he's like. Yep were all caught up good good. Then she pretty much shuts her down she does. Wendy says ditch. No convicted felons can't hold a casino license in Missouri. And Maya says I didn't know that and she goes thanks for stopping by all right. So what did you take out of that scene because I mean if Marty were to take a deal? I don't think the plan is that he would go back to just running the casino. Yeah that's kind of what I did get from it. Like she's saying all right if you give him this deal and then you want him to work for you like the rest of our lives are done for you know like our livelihood. His whole family will be shut down. So what do you really expect Mardi to do that? I kind of thought that was what was she was saying. I don't really know because I guess I don't really understand the deal like would Mardi work for the FBI like undercover. That would work exactly alright either. So we don't you guys weigh in if you picked up a little bit more than that seen than we did. Yeah so Ben. Reuther in the hospital and she wakes up and you can see it on. Ben's face immediately that he's going to go after frank junior and then Ben is going to get taken down because you don't mess with the mob bosses kin not in Kansas City. I guess yeah I'm I'm worried. I'm very worried but it was sweet because Ben Senate and want you to wake up alone. I just love them together. I know he's very sweet but she was minus his. Her mind is elsewhere because she's asking about why it and she needs to talk to Martin. Wendy Yep and she tells Ben when he asked if it was junior that she didn't get a good look exactly but it's clear later conversations. Yes Yep so I have my note here. Helen's driver goes to see sue. Oh God for a minute. I forgot what that meant. Okay I got him I wrote. Here's what I wrote a sue. You're so dense. She's talking to Frank Jackson and right away. I'm going isn't this Helen's driver slash right hand? Man Her new client yes good. Yes are you avoiding pain? Yes why do you think that is probably because of my job? Well it's easy to confuse vulnerability with weakness and I'm like Oh soo curiosity. Can I ask what you do for a living? Yeah and outcomes the gun and she knows at that point well at least Louis. She enjoyed that car for a little bit right and I wouldn't go ahead. Well when he was going when frank was going through a lot of francs in this did he really frankly Ashton. Yeah Frank Jackson okay When he was going through all of computers and scrubbing everything after he killed her. Did you see him? Take the file out. And how had every single thing detailed yes of Martin and that one hundred thousand dollars last line voice? I'm like what Doofus. Yes and but I'm looking at Frank Jackson going. He's a man of many talents right. Yes because he can not only drive a car he can get things. Done Anti knows how to wipe a computer. So he's what they call a cleaner he's a cleaner alright. That's what they call it. Yeah Yep Yep well then Mardian Wendy Separately but simultaneously arrived at the hospital. Wendy's got flowers for Ruth and she says to him. I added your name to the card kind of ferociously. I think tips. Oh Ruth says listen I want him dead and Mardian. Wendy rely on no no no no. We're not doing that. Which I think is bullshit if you ask me. She says I'm untouchable. And she's starting to question their loyalty to her and she brings out the old You killed my dad. My Dad h you know what we talked about in the very beginning of the episode how the FBI Kinda planted that in her mind and you know she says well fine. If you won't do it I'll kill myself right right. So we know Ben's GonNa go after him right for sure that that's definitely what's going to happen for sure? Yeah now what did you make this next scene? Where Wendy walks in? She goes home. She walks into the garage and unplugged the arcade game. Is that just kind of like a fuck you marty to to wipe all of his workout? So I wrote. What's that mean? Okay I just said game over I think Marty was trying to get to a certain level. And once you plug the game everything reset so so. That's not cool but I mean I don't know I just thought that was kind of juvenile weird but there must be. Maybe there's more symbolism that we're not catching onto in that one yes Philipson And then this next seen the last bit of sue sunk in the lake. She got to stay with her car to the very end. And it's Helen and Frank Jackson talking and she says to him. Do you ever get tired of this. And you're thinking maybe she's having a moment of reflection and he says no not really and Hellas good. Keep your schedule open and I just implicated thinks about to give messy yup yup out to get messy entity accounts going up well to be fair. Marty and Wendy are sloppy it. Yes I mean this whole season I feel is just very messy. See their way to brave way too confident. Maybe not Mardi but definitely Wendy. Well said that from the beginning that she was naive and she was too brazen and she was going to make mistakes and she was going to pay for it. And but think of how many people like they're working with the mob. They're working with Ruth Zero. Their kids know her brother. Ben knows their therapist knows. I mean that's a lot of collateral there. Yup and Helen does not approve clearly right because Helen her own family doesn't even know. Yep Yep yeah so Ben Brings Ruth home. He's carrying her over the threshold style. Which again I just. Oh my my little heart. Just love them. But I'm much I probably make a way too big deal over the two of them. Probably maybe other people don't but I love seeing them together and why it shows up comes in the driveway which I was like. I was very happy and he makes a really funny comment which I laughed out loud and had to pause. Because he's like you know who's that referring to ban has been went inside and she's like well it's Wendy's brother and why it says you sure he's not too old foe. Yeah Yeah Yeah Oh that was good loved it so they have a heart to heart and why it says you know who we are. Ain't so bad when when Ruth is talking about being cursed and he said the birds are the ones that cursed everything right. I don't know who you are when you're with them and again starting to question her loyalty and what it has cost her and their relationship is still complicated. Yeah he says I WANNA forgive you. I'm just not there yet right. Because he said I knew. But I just didn't want to know right right. He did say that that's interesting. Yeah thinking new. So Yeah. That was cool. It was like somber note to end the episode on. I thought this whole episode was very low key in a little depressing. I agree I agree. Yeah so we've got. What do you think about the title in case of Emergency Emergency? I didn't really think about the title this time. What do you think I mean? There were a lot of emergencies here. There was Su had an emergency emergency. Ben Is clearly going to have an emergency. Well here's what I thought we. We heard Helen in that mysterious phone. Call saying you better get here soon. Things are getting complicated. So in case of emergency is usually like a person you call in case of emergency So I kind of feel like whoever Helen called. Maybe they are kind of overseeing everything that's happening and maybe they are the ones that I mean. We actually don't know a hundred percent if it was the lagunas cartel that killed those guys. That's just what Mardi assumes or what Helen told them or what. We don't know how what if Helen was behind it. Yeah Helen is. Helen is going to be. She's I don't know Helen is something that's all I wanNA say. So in case of emergency could be the you know the person that she called in race of the emergency. Which everything's like you said everything's a mess? It's getting complicated. That's what she said. You better get here. Things are getting complicated. Oh and oh wait a minute remember when Marty went back to his house and the next morning he's talking to Helen and she says they were spotted heading to Chicago all my God. She probably through them. She threw them off on purpose. Yes yes and she made she made. Mardi go home instead it to the hotel because she doesn't want Martier the FBI agent all day on. This is not. I don't think this had anything to do with the lagunas cartel I think. That's all bullshit. I think Helen said because we even said at the beginning like that doesn't make sense right. Oh Helen dammit. Helen Ugo it down bid. Oh I feel so excited right now. I know I know all right well. Let's talk about the symbols in the opening because I see we have some different interpretations here. Okay so we see the craps table which I think that was Sam right. Wasn't that what he was playing when he was losing. I thought it was a car crash. But you're right. I think it was just two cars. It was probably Franken. Marty Frank Him. That's what I got out of that because it was like a black car and a white car and the way they were facing in opposite directions. Yeah they were would be able to talk to each other windows but to be fair. I write. I write down the symbols at the beginning of the episode. So I don't really think about it and at the end of the episode. I'm like okay but the next one was a tape recorder. And that's what. Frank Jackson got from Sues House. Oh taper quarter with the sessions as well as I are right. That makes 'cause I wrote down a boombox. I thought it was like a radio type of Phil. It's like a little hand held tape recorder purchase. Use Yup Gotcha Gotcha and then we both got the last one. Which was the dollar bills in evidence at the the truck Seen Explosion? Yeah and now. It's time for the dirty dilemma. Hey It's the first time you've pulled that one out this season. Yeah I was trying to think that I do that before I did. Deny yes okay died. Yeah maybe it needs to go back into retirement but this is when we ask who has the biggest moral dilemma of the episode. And Post the question. What would you do and I think this one? We both sort of felt like the obvious one. That wasn't resolved in this episode is what to do about frank junior because maybe Mardian. Wendy don't realize this but I think ruth is questioning her own loyalty to them and their loyalty to her. Wendy's trying to reassure her. We love you ruth. You are in Mardi. Even I think when he's talking to the FBI the FBI. He refers to her as family. Yup Yup and ruth makes a comment that we didn't discuss while she's in the hospital bed. She says if this was Charlotte sitting here exactly data already exactly. We already know that she has a lot of self esteem issues right and she thinks that there's no question he needs to be killed and she pulls out the cade card because she knows they're capable of having it done but well we know. Marty is anti murder. Okay well right I mean we know that that is a that is a very specific hot point for him right the the whole murder thing I get it like Gilead I can see. I can see why he's not into that but the other thing is this is the Kansas City mob. And she goes. You're not doing anything. He said I did do something I cut ties with the mob which to me is pretty huge to be like. I don't have to deal with them anymore. You're done and that's also a self serving punishment it helps him. He doesn't want to be involved with the mob right. He wants out of all of this. I feel like ruth kind is going to what she does. She sees through that and she she wants him dead which I think because more because she is afraid you know. She said what's to keep him coming back finishing the job. I don't think that's I don't think she's really and truly afraid. I think I think it's her upbringing. It's an eye for an eye. You did this to me. I'm doing this to you. You GotTa pay for what you did. So do you think Mardi and Wendy's should have him killed. I don't I don't think they should. Because then you're just going to start a war with the mob right you can't you just can't do it and so. I think that he's going to have to convince her figure out a way to show that she's important and valued But that that can't happen. Yeah I took it a little bit differently. I I did detect fear. I feel like she's afraid I don't. I don't disagree with the eye for an eye but I think she is afraid and I think she is not going to feel comfortable. And she's not going to feel like Marty's taking care of her and that is going to question her loyalty and it's going to cause a problem that ETA believe it is not that I think that Mardi should kill him but I I just don't really know what Martin Wendy could do. Sure her protector. So that is a scary. Okay much right there but the thing is I think you and I both know that Ben is going to either attempt to or kiss Frank Junior. Yes I'm guessing that's going to be in our next episode. Well we only have three left. Three left okay. Three laugh and we would love to hear. There were a lot of things that Shannon and I had questions on this episode. We worked through a lot. I feel like we had our own therapy session here too we did. We didn't even need to help us. That's a good thing because she's not around anymore. But we would love to hear your thoughts especially on some of the things that we were struggling with a little bit. We'd love to hear your feedback. Send US An e Mail Stinger. 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72: Finding the Opportunity Through Business - Crushing COVID With Michelle Oppelt and Samantha Mooney

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72: Finding the Opportunity Through Business - Crushing COVID With Michelle Oppelt and Samantha Mooney

"Welcome to the bigger pockets business podcasts show number seventy two you really have to push yourself to thank what's my end goal. And how can I do it not? Can it be done because anything can be done right? Honestly. Something you're passionate about try to keep your slate clean and have an open mind and thank how can I do this? Welcome to a real world MBA from the school of hard knocks were entrepreneurs reveal what it really takes to make it whether you're already in business or you're on your way there this show is for you. This is bigger pockets business. How's it going? Everybody I M J Scott. I'm your co host for the bigger pockets business podcast and I am here again, this lovely week with my lovely co host Mrs Carol Scott, How's it going today Carl. So well like so many other parents and business owners trying to juggle it all we integrate the kids back into school. So if you're a parent or a caregiver or just a community member Kudos to all of us working together to do everything getting our kids back into school being there to help them learn whether they're learning from home whether they're back in the classroom. Just thanks to everyone for all working together to do the best we can do for our communities. Absolutely I, think you set it all there. So let's just jump in to today show because we've got a great. Show today our guest today are Michelle Pelt and Samantha Mooney, and they are founders of a company called Smarty cat kids and another company called smart cat. TV. And actually this show is all about the evolution from Smarty Cat Smarty Cat TV It's it's more inspiration and motivation for anybody that struggling to pivot through co vid and their business. If Your Business is struggling through covert, this show is really going to give you that inspiration the motivation to kind of change up and and do things differently to kind of get you through and get you the next level Michelle and Samantha. are in the process of converting their what's essentially an in person learning business. So they teach classes to kids everything from science to baking, they go into schools and they teach kids, and obviously with Kobe these days, you can't just go into schools anymore and teach kids. So they've had to basically not just pivot their business, but they figured out how to take their business to the next level. Basically completely changed the paradigm business model around which they've been operating and start an entirely new business that is based on their old business, but is going to be taking them to places where. They they're all business couldn't take them just a great episode. In this episode, we talk about partnerships. We talk about breaking through plateaus in your business. I and most importantly, we talk about making your business covid proof and really being able to pivot your business to take advantage of the new opportunities in these new the new normal that term I hate using that term but it's so true taking advantage of the new normal. So if you want to find out more about Michelle Samantha about smart kids and Smarty Cat TV check out our show notes at bigger pockets, dot com slash of. Show seventy, two again. That's bigger. POCKETS DOT com slash. Show, seventy two. Now. Before we jump into this episode, let's hear a quick word from our sponsor. Is there anything more frustrating than knowing you have to call business to get answers to your question, but also knowing that you'll probably spend more time on hold than you will actually getting your issue resolved your customer simply don't have patience for that anymore, which is why podium is the perfect messaging tool for your business. 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Thanks so much you are awesome sponsors. Without any further Ado let's welcome Michelle Oh, pelt and Samantha Mooney to the show. How you guys doing Doing. Great. Thank you so much for having us. We are so looking forward to chatting with you I've got to tell you I am a huge fan of both of you I think you've done incredible things over the past several years and continuing on now with smarty cat kids and smarty cat TV and cannot wait to dig in here all the great things you have to share with our listeners. Before, we get started into the whole journey, I would love to set the stage for everybody. So we'll summit what will one of you tell us what let's. Let's actually take this into. We're going to do this interview in two parts. What was smarty cat kids in what is smart kids but let's start with what was smarty cat kids in the beginning kind of origin who started it and how it became. The product at it is yes, and if you don't mind all answer this one so I started Michelle I started smarty cat kids twelve years ago about twelve and a half years ago now, and at the time my youngest son, my oldest son actually was three years old. So he was in preschool and my educational background is in bioscience I a science nerd and I was going to be by a high school biology teacher and then decided to take some time I wanted to stay with him, and then he got to preschool age. So I said well teach at a preschool. So I could be that helicopter mom that's in the room next door. So I chose this preschool. That said, they had a great science program for kids and I'll say, oh, this will be great to be a perfect fit and when I got there I realized it was really lacking and I. It could use a lot of improvement. So my husband at the time said to me, you know if you see a need, go go do something about it. So. All right. Well, all put together some fun science classes for my son and some friends and rented a room at a local church and put out a flyer got about ten kids in the first class and it really didn't start as a big dream of I'm going to start this empire. It really was just filling a need for my son and some local kids but it. Pretty quickly started getting requested by there was a recreation department right next door and they heard about it from from the kids going to the church and there was a preschool in the church and those parents started to hear about it. So I started to get requested left and right to run the is fun hands on science for kids and that was when I had the Aha. Moment of Okay I don't need to high school biology teacher. I can make something of this you know and I can still teach science and it will be Super Fun and on my own terms and it'll be great. So started pretty much as a one woman traveling science show and then about two years into it coincidentally I had met Samantha and she was kind of just starting her. Post school journey didn't you know was trying to find her path and one of the things she had said she wanted to do was start a cupcake catering company and I love to decorate. She loves to bake. All right. You know I've started a business. I might have some experience that can help with you. Let's let's do this. So we started a cupcake catering company together and quickly after started baking programs for kids teach them to Bake and decorate. Loved the baking with kids ended up hating baking for adults. So anyway, that's kind of how smart he has started and I came to meet Samantha, and then we can probably dive into this a little bit later but we ended up obviously joining forces and the Science Pergamon, the Bacon Program kind of merged, and we ended up doing a lot of different enrichment programs, all science art and hobby. And that's how smart kids up until covid. morphed. So what was the original plan? You had the science classes I assume that's kind of starting to do. Well, you're at schools you're taking off, and then the baking comes in was the original thought that I was you're you're just GonNa roll that into the science classes and say, we're GONNA use the same sales channels, the same marketing channels we're going to teach in the schools just like the science or did that fundamentally start to change the business where you said okay we're going to do something different now that we have a second. I'D WANNA call product, but a second source of content for to teach. Yes. So initially, the two were completely separate we we had no vision of combining the two and a couple of things happen that led to that fate. I would guess I would say so about a year into running this other company was called the cupcake experience, which was Super Fun for kids but about a year into that I had moved from new. Jersey, which is where we had started where we were based down to Tennessee. I was at a point where I was doing all the back end stuff all the computer work advertising creating a curriculum that could be done from my computer. So I moved to Tennessee and Samantha Stayed New Jersey, and she kind of ran the hands on you know operations the day to day stuff. Well, the two businesses were totally separate at that point. It just so happens that I had been training somebody for smarty cat kids to take over as the program manager for six months and one week and to me moving she quit very abruptly. So I called Samantha one day crying from a furniture store because even have furniture in my house yet, and I'm sitting on the couch and store just like in shock like what do I do because? Cupcake company was very new smarter. Kids was now four years old at that point, my main source of income and I just moved and I was eight months pregnant with son. So Anyway, I'm balling saying Sam I. Don't know what to do and she immediately without a hiccup was like you know, I, know how to run these classes. We've been running the baking classes science. You know it's a different subject but I, know how to logistically run these programs. You tell me what you need to do. I'll start today like you just tell me what you need to do. And so she immediately took over she was a rock star honestly saved smart kids from going under, and so it wasn't long after working with her in that capacity and seeing what she was capable of that. I realized you know one, she should be a partner with smarter kids. She is absolutely owning a and should not be an employee role and she brought so many unique. Skills and values to the table that I thought. It would be a lot better to have her as a fifty fifty. This needed to be our baby not just my baby and then that's when we started talking about. Okay. Well, let's go ahead and get rid of what we don't have a passion for which was the baking for adults. Let's. Let's take what we do have a passion for. We've got the science. We've got the baking then it started to become a conversation of all right. The infrastructure's there for smart kids. We know how to run that successfully it's been growing what if we do take baking and what if we did have all of these contracts already set up instead of just offering science now we Can Go back to them and say we've got ten different class options and immediately able to grow exponentially just from the contracts already had. So it wasn't a preconceived thing. It was it was really just having no doubt too crazy situation, but it ended up forming this idea that was like, okay. This could be better for the company in general all around. So hopefully, that answers your question the. I love it and I'm curious to especially because Michelle. You're talking about how you're a science nerd Samantha you're talking about how your the Cupcake company was your brain child what is your background? So? Why Graduated High School? I was like most eighteen year olds. I was not sure what I wanted to do with my life. And I had. That college, my parents like if you're GONNA go you'RE GONNA get one teams pick where you WanNa go on and I didn't I didn't know I didn't want to waste that one chance and you get out of school and have. School debt and not be doing when I'm really passionate about. So I took some time. I was instructing classes for Michelle on. Then I was working three other jobs at the time and going to community college. 'cause that was the do with my parents had a do something with schooling. I was working at the Salon harrassement and we have gotten a new computer system and they had asked me to put in appointment or something and I. had a hard time doing it and my boss, the owner of the Salon looked at me in of all my coworkers she looked at me and she said stupid white why can't you do this? I took everything in me not to cry. I waited to the end of the day and I told my manager who is awesome friends and I said this can't. It can't do this I cannot work or somebody that. Will just call me stupid in front of all these people. That's just not right. So that's I. Left work that day and I called my mom and I said I can't do this. I need to have my own business. I am not going to treat anybody. The way that she treated me or made me feel nobody deserves to feel like that. So that's sad. cupcakes was thing and I went home is decided I researched you know a business plan and I was getting to writing my business plan. Michelle call me she's like I heard what you WANNA. Do she is like let's join forces. So honestly the rest is history were. We. Now. That's awesome. Okay. So I want to get into something a little bit more tactical, and this is something that I dealt with a lot of sure. A lot of our listeners deal with but that's partnership. So Michelle you had a business presumably, you were making money and you had customers and you had instructors working for you and basically your business that was self sufficient and so Samantha comes along and you guys decide. Okay. Now let's team join forces and team up. What were the kind of the discussions around bringing Samantha on as a fifty fifty partner because I know I've been in situations. Where I've had a business and I brought on partners in by fifty fifty s kind of like well as my business, and then I've been in situations where I've joined with somebody else and it was their business and I was like, ooh, I, don't know if I feel right being a fifty fifty partner in your business and so there's always that kind of that back and forth between what's the right relationship and how do we turn this from my business to our business? Did you guys have any of those struggles and was kind of would you do to kind of resolve any issues there? Yeah. I mean, it was a little bit of a unique experience for us because we did only other company already fifty fifty. So the income that the revenue that that was generating was already fifty fifty and then I'd really sit there and think about okay. If we merged the two and then were able because she had a lot of great ideas for other types of programs we could offer I'm like I said the science nerd. So I've thought about all the chemistry, the physics, all the signs based stuff but she had a lot of great ideas for okay. You know we can offer or in hobby also, and here's what I would like to bring to the table. So I thought about where it would bring smarty cat kids if she was on as a partner, how how much would it grow if I'm still trying to do it myself and she's just say my program managers and employees or how much could it grow if she's coming on and now I'm gaining from all of her ideas and her I call her my muse because and this'll kind Of Lead in. So I guess my my advice working with a partner, but I'm a very big picture thinker, super creative side of the brain, which is funny because I love science. But I am a super big up here thinker thirty, thousand foot view and Samantha has more of a hard time conceptualizing things but once you give her the concept, she's much better saying okay. Well, this is. How other people are gonNA perceive it or this is you know, let's rain this in a little bit. Let's funnel it down to the direction that I think would best for our consumers because I just think we should do all the things and I'm like way out there and she was like, okay, and that helps me so I see she's like my news you'll help me get it. In the direction that it needs to go. So knowing that it's like okay how far can get on my own I? How far could I get if we're doing this together equal partners I don't want her to feel like she's a subordinate to me I want her to to be there one hundred percent in it. You know we're fifty fifty partners, but we're both in one hundred percent. You know. So it just had to way those options of and talk with her about it. I gave her the option to would you rather be an employee or what do you think about joining forces and we had a discussion and so okay. So I, guess that part of my question I didn't realize you guys were fifty fifty and the other business. So you already knew each other. You already knew that you worked well together and so they're making that jump in the science business and the business that was kind of more an obvious place to go got it and so and I think I cut you off but it sounds to me and I apologize but it sounds to me like it's a great partnership because you're more of the the the innovator, the the. Dreamer the inventor and she's more of the execution tactical things done and in my experience I, think that's that's just such a great partnership because you two are stepping on each other's toes you just complement each other really well, Samantha from from your perspective. Did you have any issues or any concerns kind of jumping into this business with Michelle that was kind of already established that she had. Already, she was running at the way she wanted to be running it and were you at all concerned that well, it's going to be hard to be a fifty fifty partner because she's already set in her ways and can't really like she's not GonNa. Let me jump in and do what I. WanNa do. Is there anything there that you were concerned about her that that you guys addressed? To be a hundred percent honest there. There wasn't I didn't have laugh of concerns Michelle Ni- we the one thing about us is we have a really good communication and I know they say that all attempts at communication is really key. We. If there's something bothering us if there's something wrong. Good things bad things we talk to each other about it and. I mean, we haven't really had like an argument may get. Annoyed sometimes. But that's just human nature but we have. These past like twelve years we have not argued at all. We just. Talk things out and when I got on board. I. Just told her what my ideas were and she was really open to all of them and we just worked off of each other to be honest. Excellent I love it. So talk to us about you form this great partnership. It was a natural fit from the beginning talk to us about the growth in the evolution over the next several years of the business, right so you talked about your original to product offerings, talk to us about the different types of classes that you offered it. I would love to hear some numbers, how many locations, for example, you're doing classes in how many kids anything financial you're willing to share talk to us about all that growth that happened over the next several years together. I would say so let's see we started two, thousand, ten, no, two, thousand, twelve when we officially merged everything together smart as a new LLC that we're fifty fifty partners of I would say maybe had a couple of hundred students at that point I'd really have to look back at the. The numbers but I do know that in our first eighteen months we doubled and so that was a clear sign right there that we had made the right decision and it just kept growing and growing until maybe two years ago we kind of hit a ceiling and we can dive into a little bit of that. If you want to about why we think that happens because I think it's probably beneficial for people here but we'd gotten to the point where in a couple of. Dozen different locations we had started to branch down here in my area in the mid south, but we had a few thousand students a year so and then we were on the trajectory pre covid to start partnering nationally with other women like us our men who wanted to start enrichment programs in their area. So it was on a good path, and then we were featured on CNBC which helped a lot to it was two years years ago I'd have to look back she has. Seventeen. I three years ago just as. We were on a pretty good path until until cova hit but even prior to Cova da we had hit that ceiling I wanNA say around two thousand eighteen where we really flatlined and we had to look at it and we were getting burnout out to be honest and we had to look at each other and say, okay like what's going on here because that that Pat. Burning Passion that. We had that. Let's go get him. Let's let's take over the world feeling that you really need to get started because it's so hard and and you've got to push through so many obstacles that was really starting to fizzle and we had to take a hard look back and say like we were close to walking away from at that point we were really burnt out and just exhausted and. Didn't feel like we were growing anymore and I think what happened for us was that we have this I started as one woman science show and loved it. I'm in front of the kids, right? It's great but you can't scale that I can only go to so many locations a week. So obviously just start hiring people to then be me and go to these locations for me and then We get to the point where Samantha's on. Now we're at the point you know six years later when you've got thousands of students and whatnot and you've got all these layers of employees and it's it's removing US further and further back from I guess quote unquote the frontlines right I'm not there inspiring children anymore now and putting out fires constantly and Samantha to with instructors and principals who are kind. Being. I won't even go there but you know all these fires gotta put out and it's like where that passion for help for seeing the kids faces light up when we're doing something awesome with them and letting them get their creativity out and all of that we weren't seeing that day to day anymore. So that was really when we had to take a step back about two, thousand eighteen and say, okay, what are we going to do differently that can get us back to our core values our core mission. So we can stop we did we didn't want to just keep building more and more and more locations because it would just meant more and more employees and. Keeping removing us from that. So that was when we started going on the path of finding kind of like a franchise model except we didn't franchise because that would have met charging people huge upfront fee and all these galleries with it. So we kind of decided well either we'll give people the optimal coach. You will show you how you can do it, and then you can use are licensed curriculum or you can partner with us and we'll show you how to do it that way and like I can fly we can. Find. More Samantha's Michelle's across the country to to stay with our mission of getting in front of children. But working with people who are just as passionate about it as we are which you don't, you just don't find with part time employees that are there to make a quick paycheck. So anyway, two thousand eighteen is when we started to really build that up and unfortunately that's when covert hit you know as as we were getting ready to roll everything out and Cova just completely, we can't teach people how to how to. Conduct in person classes when nobody's going to class anywhere right. So that was when we had a huge like you know just tied to change everything up so I would love to follow up and clarify even a little bit more on that. So it sounds like you had already realized in two thousand eighteen you're plateauing a bit. You had to take a step back. You're realizing that there were so many layers in between what you now had to do and what your original passion, what your original driving force was for. Starting this business you realize that you had to do things differently. You finally got these systems and processes in place to launch. It sounds like right about the beginning of twenty twenty, correct. Yeah. Towards the tail end of twenty, nine, thousand nine as when we were really rolling everything out that timing the time, right? Are you kidding me? You're finally in a place to just blast this thing out on a national level. So it sounds like not only could you necessarily could you not necessarily not it? Nationally I would suspect that. You already had booked like your New Jersey right in Tennessee locations. Did that come to a screeching halt as well? Absolutely. I'll never forget it. March Eleventh Sam Calls Me Hey their. Grocery store has like Michelle. All of these contracts are emailing US and they're canceling one by one by one like I don't know what we're GonNa do, and of course, at that point, it was being about well, we're GONNA shut school down for two weeks. So are a well, you know that's GonNa mess with our spring session that was about to roll out but. Became really obvious within a week or two. This is going to be a longer term thing and so it was just one after another after another canceled contracts all of spring was wiped out in about a week and a half just gone all quarter of a year revenue gone. And then summer it became pretty obvious that was going to be wiped out to, and now we're even into fall. We're not even running any programs for fall because it's just such a well, we obviously between their decided, we needed to make a shift but regardless, if we hadn't even thought of that if we hadn't thought to rebrand cat TV and all of that which I'm sure we'll talk about we still we would have been in a horrible position. So nine months of revenue just out the window you've got a it was a hit on the head for sure absolutely. You're listening to the bigger pockets business podcast we'll. Be Right. Back. 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So here we are we're in. Early Twenty Twenty and Samantha calls you up and basically breaks news that these contracts are going away and potentially you're thinking not just in the spring, but maybe the summer and the fall on for a long time. So how quickly did it hit you that well, we can die or we can rebrand and rebuild and and change things and what was your thought process that point Initially it took us. About six weeks to get our act together. It's almost like you have to adjust your thinking to what the new normal is gonNA be What we've been doing for the last twelve years was essentially going to be no more for the immediate future and who knows how much longer I mean like you said we had no idea. So it took us about six weeks to. Collect our thoughts and almost I mean we had. Kind of grieve. What our business used to be because we knew we had to make shift and we had to do it. In the most effective way possible because we didn't have A. A big window or much time. Yeah. Yeah and and you've got to remember to Samantha was getting close to having her second baby I've got four kids. So as all this is happening, we're affected like every other parent that we serve. My kids are all of a sudden coming home from school and who knows when they're going to go back to school, and now I'm home schooling have. A high schooler, a middle schooler, an elementary age son and a toddler at home, and now I'm being told, Hey, you're going all of them. Good luck like every other parent rights super overwhelmed and you've got to figure out how you're going to completely rework your business that you've been has been in this mode of just kind of its own machine. You Know It was well well oiled. Machine at that point kind of operating on its own, and now we've got a figure out how are we going to recreate the company and you know with all new systems and and for this new normal and you know so all of this is happening at the same time. So it did it took us about six weeks of doing nothing and just being in shock and also during. That six weeks we didn't know it's happening every minute the president saying something different to the schools are calling saying something different. So we didn't even know what we were working with yet, but once it started Ba six weeks in it was apparent like, okay this is definitely a new norm. This is not a quick little hiccup in our history like this is going to be a big event. That's when we really started thinking. Okay. It's time to go back to the drawing board. It's time to figure out. Do we want to let this die off? That was very quick. No. Okay, we're not GonNa let it die off. So what are we going to do and that was when we made that go back to the drawing board decision to be honest we started getting some emails about us doing virtual classes and at first Michelle, and I were like, well, how do we do what we do make it virtual because a lot of our like all of our lessons are very hands on and were super animated during our lessons and how are we gonna do that virtually so as In the very beginning, we weren't even sure if that was something that we could. possibly. Do and for it to be effective the way our classes are. So that was something else that we were. We just weren't sure about just like everything else during that time you. Well, a couple of things first Kudos to you for only taking six weeks to grieve I mean you had been building this business for twelve years, twelve years and you were finally at that point where we're like, you said, you had your systems, your processes, your customer base down your all of your contractors of your teachers. It was a very well oiled machine, and then you know just year a half ish ago when you realize things needed to change you. Were ready to launch those changes in then this head I remember back in the beginning of which ps doesn't it feel like it was about forty years ago at this point it's kind of unbelievable. There's only six months ago but I remember so many people were like you just got to keep pushing. You gotTa keep grinding you gotTa figure it out it I. Think a lot of people were really I hate to say the word condemned that sound very dramatic but. Truly. I think people who business owners who actually just took a step back in a few weeks to sit back and be sad in kind of lament what had been just what they had been faced with. That was just not allowed I. think that was awesome that you decided to do the self care necessary. Otherwise, you probably would not necessarily have been able to pick yourself up when it was time and move forward. So second I just had to get. That out there. But second, I like how you mentioned Samantha that these parents have been reaching out to you asking for virtual classes and you're saying, how are we going to do this? Is that even though is that even a possible thing but then it sounds like the two of you decided you know it's not really an option it's not. Can we make this happen? It's how are we going to make this happen? Right so how did that evolution come along? Yes so like Sam said, it was our whole. Passion is watching the kids light up. Is it that energy in the room? Right? When? Because we're we're very anti lecturer in our classes. We don't explain to the kids what's about to happen. We ask questions in the beginning to get them thinking and and here they're feedback and that hypothesize and whatnot, and then we give them the materials and just encourage them as they have at it. We were very anti tell them what to do how to do it. Step one, two, three, you know it's not like that so. The energy in the room when it's like, okay. For example, like you're going to build a machine that can kick a ball using those recycled materials on that table over there and when they figure it out and those balls start flying and they're watching the other teams that are getting a little competitive that energy in the room is really what fuels us and what the kids want to come back for and what the parents love. So it's like how the heck did. We put that through a computer screen tablet screen, right? And so I it did seem kind of impossible and and we're also thinking like parents all of a sudden have their kids home they're busy they're working How are they gonNA want to go and get all these supplies that are needed and all these kinds of obstacles. So at first you're you're seeing all of the challenges and then at some point you do you kinda clear that dust away and thank okay yes those challenges are there but how can we do this in a way that solves the problems instead of focusing on these challenges right so we came to quickly realize that. We're going to obviously have to go digital. We are not in the digital world. We don't know what we're doing when it comes to that. We know how to make kids smile have a great time learning. Get them excited about learning. We don't know how to get in front of parents directly right? Because we were B to B business our customers direct customers were the schools where the REP departments, where the boy scouts girl scouts that were booking us. They brought the kids to us. They brought the parents to us right now we've got to get in front of parents ourselves a now. Deceased Company and it's like okay. We don't know how to do that. We don't know how to run ADS. We don't know how to you know we can record a video easily enough but everything else was like okay. We need to get ourselves in front of some experts who know how to do this and can give us some guidance. So the biggest turning point for us in rebranding and coming up with all of this was making those phone calls and doing those consultations and saying. You know we need to talk to people that know what they're doing, and as we because eventually we're going to go virtual but we're thinking from this lens of what we've been doing for the last twelve years. So we're thinking how do we take this class exactly the way it was and put it in a computer screen, and so we were just going to zoom classes or you know something like that talking to people who are. No digital marketing and things like that. They're thinking they're saying back to US why would you do it that way you're not in person classes anymore. You're not thinking of it from you know the right opportunity really because now you've got a chance to reach people anyone globally with an Internet connection. If you're GONNA try and have fifteen kids come on at a time with one teacher, you're going have all the same logistical nightmares you had in person classes because you still got to have all these staff every time you have fifteen twenty kids you need another teacher and other teacher, another teacher you're. Not the face of your business because you're letting your teachers be the face of the business they're like, think about it from a different perspective why don't you guys go on record the content that's you to the kids you can get that passionate people are going to see that you'll be able to connect with your audience again, and what if you do like a subscription service where people can sign up to get access to your lessons and they? Planted the seed of a totally different perspective than we ever had, and that was what if I could give any advice to anybody out there who's all of a sudden had to rebuild in a new environment? It's like make sure you're talking to people who understand the new environment and can help you look at it from a different perspective because you're gonNA. Be Looking at it from your old Lens from what used to work. Though, the people we serve before their needs are not the same as now now parents are home they have different challenges right? We have to be solving those problems, not the problems for parents that used to send their kids start classes, everything's different, right? So that was the moment for us was. Change. What we're doing, we need to make sure that it solving the right problems for this new normal, and we need to make sure that we're admitting what we don't know and finding the right guidance to to help us. You know shortened that learning curve I. Love that and I think you. Wow. You hit on the head because I think too many of us as business owners when Cova him, we talked to a lot of business. Owners the question the first question is always how do we take what we have and that it for online or adapted for long distance or adapted for social distancing or adapted, and it's always the question adapting adapting adapting and you guys realized that it's not about adapting. This is an opportunity. This isn't just how do we salvage the business and keep making money? This is how do we like what opportunities do we have to do things completely Differently and not just salvage, but actually grow and yeah I mean it's it's now in retrospect it's pretty obvious like instead of just doing fifteen kid classes on zoom this is an opportunity to create a completely different offering where you can take your your reach from fifteen kids the time to fifteen million kids at a time and so yeah, it's it's just and I love the way you put that that you just need to. Focus and talk to people who understand the new environment and can really help you look at it through a different Lens because once you look at through a different Lens, you realize that not only as Kobe did not necessarily a death sentence for your business, but it could be a great opportunity. So love that. Okay. So Samantha what was the next step now that you're thinking? Okay newlands new focus opportunity where where did that lead you walk? There's a lot of meetings we talked a lot. We had iron out exactly what our end goal was going to be or where he wanted to be, and we kind of worked backwards and like Michelle said, it had a lot to do with who we talked to. There was a few people we talked to that. It was quite obvious they did not have. Any sort of vision the way. We envisioned things, and there was some people that just. SOM- basically said to US wall that's not gonNA work and I can't help you. So, we there was a lot of discussion between on I of where we really wanted to go and. One of those things being was we wanted to. Just make a difference. In Kids lives we wanted to. Make learning fine we wanted to get them excited. About learning new things. And I think. Once, we figured out how we could do that virtually than everything just kinda started to fall into place we new idea started flowing in it became very organic. The evolution of how where we are right now Paul. So it sounds like you've really when you took a step back when back to the drawing board, you really went back to your original mission and purpose in values in that passion that had you starting the company all these years ago but you're reinventing it. So what are you reinventing it to? You're talking about making it virtual you're talking about reaching mill potentially millions of children rather than fifteen at a time you're talking about. Learning Fun you're talking about no learning through. Great. Says while these kids are all struggling with whatever the heck is happening with school. So what have you evolved into? Yeah so it's kind of going to be a twofold thing we WANNA put a lot of free content that's going to be accessible to everybody and anybody with an Internet connection. So most of that will go through our smart TV youtube page and it's all going to be just you know for the kids obviously fun exciting if they look at what we're doing on TV and it really gets them thinking and then All of a sudden, they're grabbing materials around their house and they're wanting to replicate. Right. So that's that's to the children that are watching us. That's that's the mission is to get them fired up, get them excited get those creative thinking brain cells going and getting them want to our tagline, explore, experiment and create. That's what we want to get the kids excited about doing it home. So you know monkey see monkey they. See US having a blast on on smart TV, and suddenly they want to do it to the parents were struggling to right. I'm a mom of four and it's hard cove. It's been hard on everybody and and the parents that are really trying to keep learning from home fun. It's a struggle even for me with my own kids. So for parents but we wanted to do was make sure you know we've spent. Over twelve years i. can't even tell you thousands and thousands of thousands of man hours, researching activities, testing them out seeing which ones are home runs and which ones the kids don't really like we know that we have that down to a science. So if we can save parents from Matt Headache of having to research all this and see which ones their kids like no. If we put something out there we're going to. Put our personal guarantee that your kids are GonNa love it and you're probably GonNa, have a great time doing it with them because we really focus on making it fun and and creative. So for parents want it to be that goto place where it's a safe place for your kids to come and sit on the tablet. If you need a little break because we all do and you sometimes you want your kid. To be able to sit on the tablet well, this is a great way for them to learn without realizing their learning. So it kind of solves that problem and then and then also with parents want to get involved, we are going to have like a subscription program that goes more in depth. So if parents are wanting to do this the fun or in the science at home again, it's their goto place the lessons. Are All there. We'll have live human as with parents if they have questions for us, we're GONNA is a place that the kids can. If they finish their projects, they can post it in. It incentivizes them not just to watch, but to go do so it's not us in a classroom setting one on one, but we're still able to get our mission across and we're still able to make interactive which was really. The important component for us. So it sounds like your entire business models now changing. So it's a business model used to be kids sign up, they pay you for X. number of weeks of blessings you give the lessons you take the money, and then the next year comes that great business model but that business model doesn't sound like it works in the world of online and Youtube what is the new business model and? I? Just simply what is the new business model? Yes. So instead of trying to do that in zoom, which honestly I think Kinda kills a lot of. What you're trying to translate through the screen for something about zoom. Zoom has been lifesaver for for us in a lot of ways but anyway with kids and they're already sitting in front of zoom all day for school. If they're doing virtual, we didn't want it to be sitting there and zoom. So what do kids love? Where's our audience hanging out? Well, they're hanging out on youtube they're hanging out in Tiktok they're hanging on a lot of places probably their parents would rather they don't hang out. So let's give them a really fun place to come out and and also learn kind of like Kinda like you know Bill Nye, the science guy was for my generation but interactive, we really want to have the interactive component we want to see are. SMARTER CATS, we want to cheer them on and we want to you know what? Not? So like I said that the youtube channel be just obvious can go on. You can watch videos the subscription service that we're going to offer. We'll give more in depth lessons, more teaching elements more interactive. You'll get to the part of a group online that like we said we can do interactive as we can sit there and incentivize the kids all those things we covered. So it'll be every single week they get a new lesson if you sign up and we'll have some bonus lessons in there too. So probably end up being more six weeks, six lessons a month, and it's just one low. Monthly subscription face. So kind of like if you were to order those boxes, you know there's you can get that they send a science thing your house, but usually only get one of those a month. This'll be four to six lessons but interactive you not not like we said, we don't like the whole like step one, step two, step three put this here put this there. It's going to be that same mission of getting the kids thinking using those creative skills and letting them work through this process with us. So that's what that's what we're trying to offer parents that's great, and so basically using the youtube is the free channel to one get the word out there and to. Help those kids and families who either after don't want to sign up on a subscription based, but it's still a great marketing channel four you if you can get a lot of viewers potentially, there's money to be made in ads in eyeballs and then had the separate subscription model. So we'll the subscription model isn't going to be an APP on your pc or an APP on your tablet like is what does the actual technology look like just out of curiosity? Yeah. For now, it's going to be website. So you just go to smarty cat TV DOT COM and you'll be able to sign up a we are working on building an APP also, that will be able to be downloaded. The APP store android that's GonNa, take some time and some revenue. To invest in it but eventually, like Sam said, we're thinking about long term because this isn't just like. Let's figure out how we can get like you said, let's figure out how we can get money coming in through cove it, and then go back to our old model. No, we've realized that there's some power in this new model and we're really thinking about this long term. This is not just a Kobe thing covid sparked it the idea but this is something that's GonNa benefit parents regardless if their kids are home schooling or not. So I feel. Like master class but for kids. And the cool thing is that you actually have the ability to scale in multiple ways not only do you scale with your customers, but you can scale with your offering as well in theory because before it would be pretty hard to like to teach I don't know some subject where you don't have any local experts that can do but now you don't need your experts to. Be in Tennessee or in what other states New Jersey thank you Tennessee or New Jersey now you can. You can take experts from all around the world, and so you can grow your content offering his well. That's scalable. So you're kind of you're able to scale from both sides of the equation both your offering Enger, your audience exactly, and we've talked about when we first. Started like you know because you got to have a New Vision, you've really got to think of this like we shattered old box that we were stuck in and you're trying to figure out what's The new vision and we're talking when they were like you know we at some point, we can be sitting there because we'll bring on. We can't have a whole class for kids. Come on. But we do want to bring on kids from all different parts of the world, and potentially we could have a child from Japan and a child from Indiana child from South America wherever hopping on doing these lessons with us virtually, we can be showing them how to do it and kids through you know viewers from all over are benefiting all sorts of really cool. Concept to think like man like we're going to get to know so many more kids and that's what keeps US fired up and we're GONNA be able to touch somebody more kids lives and they can be anywhere they can be anywhere in the world. So anyway, really exciting for. Them in in talk about really just building into that passion. You're really now at this point, you've reinvented yourself so that you're growing this international online learning community almost right with these events and it'll be so fascinating a few years from now when it's huge and their kids all over the world participating, and then you're going to be like Oh. What now we're GONNA. Do Smart Cat live in you're GONNA go right. Back to what you are doing twelve years ago, it'll be all brand new again. So it's just it's awesome how it will keep coming full circle and keep growing in be bigger than you ever anticipated. It was even in the beginning. So it sounds like in this case, this is one of those cases where covert may have just given. You just push you didn't really know you need it. So really fun stuff. Exactly. So what's the timeline for for the offering now Do you guys currently have the Youtube Channel up and running? Do you have the the website and subscription model running? Where are you today? We just actually launched our premiere episode of Smarty Cat TV. This past Saturday we have our next we're we do them every week. So we're GONNA have a new live episode. Eventually, we'll start doing our live streaming every Saturday morning kinda like you know instead of Saturday morning cartoons, you can come join us for Saturday morning smarty cat show, and so youtube is already up and that free content is available in about two weeks we will have the subscription service also launched. Love it. This is so awesome. I am so looking forward to getting arcade student, Sparty cat, TV, and having all these other kids jump on this new learning that you're going to have and I cannot wait to just keep following along in your journey. Right now though it's that part of our show where it's time for the four more, and this is the part where we ask our guest, the same four questions, and then at the end of that, we give you an opportunity to tell us more about yourselves, your business where we can connect. So are you ready to get started on that? Still it lags. Okay Jay I would love for you to take the first question. Okay. Of You all love I'm GonNa ask you this question Carol decided to ask her questions to but I would ask this about the. So what was your first or your worst job and what lessons did you take from that job that you're still using today and Samantha I think I may already know your answer but feel free to give another one if you like. My worse is obviously that job that I took at the hair salon where my boss called me stupid and a lesson learned from that is I will never. Let anybody treat me that way and I. saw forward in life. Treating others the way I want to be treated because I think that's the most valuable thing that you can take with you. It's cheating others the way you want to be treated love. Michelle I or worse job. I or worse job on my first job. was working at a diner. I wouldn't say that was my worse I. It's not fun. I still to this day ridiculously over tip because I have such empathy for every single restaurant worker and server bartender. I honestly have any horrible experiences. So I guess we'll just go with the first job I worked at a diner right across the street from my house and you learn multitasking really quick and so and I definitely still use that you know how to kind of rack things super fast when. You got multiple tables and multiple things going on all jumbled in your head. So yeah. Excellent. Okay. So here's the second question semantics. First on this one to what would you say is the very best piece of advice that you have for small business owners or new entrepreneurs. That you haven't yet mentioned today in Michelle. Have you answer it in if one of you has a question and answer I, then go for it. I would. There's kind of two things that go hand in hand for. Myself and that is a not. Extremely. Give a change and that's what Michelle and I balance each other out. She helps me see the Good Ima James and. I would say my advice is to even though it could be hard except that change because you never know what's on the other side of that door and the other thing is surround yourself with people. A good support system. I have Michelle I have my mom I have my husband and I had my dad and they were super supportive of everything that I did and. You. Just need to surround yourself with those people that want to see you do well in life and is. I feel like if you don't have that those kinds of people around Gio. When you need that extra emphan encouragement, they're there to give that to you. So those are my two. Thanks. Sorry Talk Love Enough. Of them, I'm probably going to cheat also Sam's for so good I'm probably going to get more than one, but I would say I think the biggest. Things that will allow somebody who wants to start small businesses be successful number one make sure it's something you're actually passionate about because I've tried very I'm just Kinda that entrepreneurial spirit and some people are like that and you kind of want to do all the things right. But if you're not truly passionate about it, guarantee you, it's going to get hard every business is if you're going to be successful, there's no easy way about it and you're GonNa, you're gonNA. Get burnt out if you don't truly truly truly believe in your mission and. Your Y, and and have that right mindset and I would say the other thing is especially in the beginning you've got to have a lot of grit and you also have to be ridiculously resourceful. There's GonNa be people and even to yourself your own mind. So many scenarios that you're come up with why you can't do something and you really have to push yourself to think what's my end goal and how can I do it not? Can it be done because anything can be done right? Honestly if you if you something you're passionate about. Try. To keep your slate clean and have an open mind and think how can I this and it might not be the way you originally thought. You know when I first started when I first realized smart kids was catching on and could be a business I was going to go a rental retail space and I had this vision for a science lab that that kids would field trips coming to and be super cool which is a great idea nothing wrong with it but thankfully, I went to a small business advisor who the provides for free. So if you're thinking of starting your own business definitely utilize that. Opportunity there that they give you the small business advisor looked at me and said, I don't know what movie it was that they said, if you build it, they will come but don't treat your business that way you're about drop you know I twenty thirty however many thousand dollars just to open the doors, which is probably a way underestimated number. That's probably gonNA spend more like fifty thousand and then you're just hoping you'll get enough kids in to keep you rent paid, which was a high rent and all these other things. So he challenged me your idea is great. Your your passion is Great. How can you do it with what you have right now how can you start at small and that way you can it as you see what's working because if you if you start off too big and too over developed and you're not really like bootstrapping. Wiggle, room to adapt you Kinda have to stick to that plan. Whereas if you can start small and really kind of test the waters and see which direction leads you, you can be more adaptable and you can make sure that your understanding your audience and their needs better and go in the direction of what they're telling you what you need not what what's in your head and you think you WanNa do right because it's all about serving your consumer I love that love that. Okay. Let me ask you A. Question, I wanNA follow up on something. You just said there you had mentioned a free business advisor through the state what state were you in when you did this and who did you talk to just I I don't know if every state offers this but I'd love to hear more about how in your state just for others that so they can research it and see if they have the same thing available to them and their state. Yeah we were in New Jersey and it's the SBA you can overcome just look it up small business administration I know we have one in Tennessee. So maybe I'm Kinda incorrectly assuming every state has it but if you're state does utilize it because they don't charge you anything, they want to see the business in their states that are getting formed succeed right? That's that's tax money for them. So especially, New Jersey new, Jersey taxes income. So, if that, if that is available, definitely, definitely utilize that that's great I know SBA is available in every state I didn't realize they did free coaching consulting. So that is an amazing tip that I can't believe never heard before. So thank you for that. Was, twelve years ago. Hopefully, it still available wouldn't be surprised. I'm actually going to do some research when we hang up, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was then it probably is now. So that's awesome. Okay. I'M GONNA take question number three. We'll start with Samantha again, I WANNA talk books, business books or motivational books. What is your favorite book that we should be reading and if it's not a book, maybe a podcast or youtube channel or any resource that you get motivation or education out of the top junior business. Albouy, and everybody's listed Samantha had a baby three weeks ago. So she's probably a little bit too busy to to to to be reading much these days. Someone and myself? And I. Able to like listen to him. is Dina Grassy. I, listen to him and I see his things on social media and all like his when I have time to go on social media. His little motivational things just get me and you know keep me going every now and then he's actually when I have some more time I will get back to reading but. Right now with two kids under fourteen months. How about you Michelle. That's funny because I know so many people have kind of like a love hate relationship deemed Grassi oc but he does have some great motivationalists stuff and and Sam did get a lot of things I right now quick little motivations. I love reading and I do the whole miracle morning which I don't know if anybody's familiar well, anybody tons of people are everybody is probably not but the miracle morning one of the things that you do as part of it is is reading every day. My favorite book of all time is the go giver I really feel like it it's it's not as. Tactical. So there's some you know other books that I would recommend that are a little bit more tactical. But if you're just starting and you're needing that mindset and you're I, think it does a great job of making you realize serve I should be your focus i the the giving part and you don't just go getter go giver and how can you lead with? Value and that book really hit home for me when it came to that that's awesome to Graffman Dacian. So for anybody out there. So Bob Berg I believe is the author of the go giver and how l how elrod is the miracle morning, and how was actually guests on the bigger pockets real estate podcast I believe a year or two ago. So anybody. Who wants to check that out? That was a great episode. It was a good wide. Okay. Here's our fourth and final question of four more and this is my favorite fine wine. So for each of you, what is something that along the way whether it be for yourself, your kids, your family, your work whatever that you have splurged on that was totally worth it. And then we don't splurge muscles moms two-way. Are Ever. Got A new lip class today I know. I usually regret things afternoon. About vacation. Experience, I know one while Sam's thinking. I didn't even have to splurge that much on it. But when let's see about four years after living in Tennessee I decided to and there were some life circumstances that led to this decided to take this crazy road trip with my kids and we did forty eight, all forty, eight, a con continuous states I. Think about the word, the lower forty-eight we traveled we did. National Parks Camping and Salt Bison for the first time. Yeah. So I guess that was a splurge but actually get on a shoestring budget because I'm I'm pretty frugal I like to. Invest my money as much as possible and not spend it. But that was a crazy experience that I would never trade for anything. That's awesome. Really have not surged thing. So I will make a promise to splurge on something that is fun there your home, your home's Two years ago so It's a home for kids. That's perfect. Could martial arts. Well you introduce the four more. I'm so used to me introducing it I'm like you threw off my rhythm. So. Oh now, I will do it that was the four part of the four more, and that leads us into the more part of the four more, and that's where each of you can tell our listeners where they can find out more about you more about Your Business maybe in touch with you or anything else you want to throw out there for our listeners to hear or to learn about you guys. Samantha us. Start. Wow Mall to reach both of us were Smart cat. TV We have our instagram we ever facebook. and Are Youtube and then You can give her email email address. That's a good way. Yes O. R. E. MAIL IS INFILTRATE SMART ARE SMARTER CAT TV DOT COM. If you have any questions or want to reach out to us, you can reach out to us that way What else am I missing anything our website definitely left. The best place to sign up. Yes. So if you WANNA GO TO SMARTY CAT TV DOT COM, you can sign up for updates. You can see you know you don't have to sign up for a subscription, but there's all kinds of cool stuff that'll be on there. Definitely it helps us we say this every youtube video, but it's the truth we say we can't do what we do with all the love and support from our cats at home. So anybody that can hop on over to our youtube channel and just subscribe hit that little I sound like my eight year old son hit that subscribe button. And share on your. Family exactly. Good Point. Yeah. That's actually probably the biggest component is yes. You can get in contact with us directly everything's under the smarty cat TV facebook instagram like she said, and we're very responsive on our facebook page because that's where we interact with our audience the most. But yet if you can share any of this with people we we can only reach so many people ourselves but we know there are more parents out there that could benefit from this. So anybody who believes in our mission That is willing to share it with the people they. Now that's the biggest helper for us and we will have those links in our show notes. So for anybody that wants links to the facebook page, instagram page or the website or the youtube channel check out the show notes Samantha Michelle. Thank you so much for being here I would love to have you back in a year or two just to find out how the new ventures going and growing and scaling. So. No. Sir. Ever. You so much we so enjoy this and you are going to be massively successful even more so than you were with the old smarty cat kids smarty cat TV is going to be wildly even more amazing. So congratulations in advance to both of you for being on the show. Thank you so much. Dr. I love that episode that I mean that was the kind of motivation and inspiration that I think we all need right now during cove I know a lot of us are struggling our businesses I know Carol you've struggled with with your new business I've struggled with my new business I. Know a lot of the people we talked to are struggling, and so we're all. Trying. To figure out what those what those pivots look like and what those new opportunities are and it's really cool just to hear Michelle and Samantha talk about how they weren't just able to take their business and figure out how to survive during covert but figure out how to really kind of grow and scale their business in and and News Cova doesn opportunity to just. Take it to the next level agreed and I think it was also really wise that they were the first to admit that they really didn't know. So they went to experts that that did know what was up in that space and really heated their advice and rather than just focus on their old way of doing things really just completely reinventing realizing the way their business. was is just not going to work and that it was time for something new and I think. It's just super that they went ahead and did that Yup and Peter Advice I've heard a long time is go to your local SBA small business administration office because it's very possible that they will do free coaching and consulting for Your Business. so fantastic advice their loved that. Are Good for this week. Yeah. Let's wrap it up. Okay, everybody. Thank you for tuning in stay. Stay healthy and we will see you again next week. I'm carol she's Jay. I that again, we'll try that one more time I realized as it was coming out. She's Carol Agyei now accept the new reality in find your opportunity today. Love see even when you mix this up, I can still make it happen. Have a great week. Everybody. Thanks for tuning in to you everybody. Thanks.

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Samantha Ruddy has never seen The Irishman

Never Seen It

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Samantha Ruddy has never seen The Irishman

"Hi I am cliff Dorfman and I have a brand new podcast is called the cliff Dorfman show and I would love you to come check it out. I get to talk to some of the the best in some of my favorite artists. We have some amazing guests coming up Dane Cook and we have lasy Lonzo. Coming up. Stephen Dorf did that Christina. Rod Hello from whiskey sixty eight late George from animal kingdom we have a whole roster of people coming up for you to listen to Peruse and hopefully we get you. Here's a regular person coming on board all the time the Cliff Dorfman Show Ladies and gentlemen in a world where every conversation is about. What movie or TV show you just see? This is never seen it. COMEDIANS GINS rewriting famous movies and TV shows. They've never seen what does up. Everybody the Kyle. You know you know that that. They don't waste tire intro. Today's episode Samantha Ruddy is on. She has never seen the Irishman Sam is so funny is Great. Comedian lives in New York. Doc City she's been on the late show with Stephen Colbert. You're gonNA love the script. It's a great time. She's never seen the Irishman Were in studio joined once again by Maki leaper as well Games a very fun dad game before and after his perfect movie it's wonderful time Sam scripted. Superfund I've never seen the Irishman. We talk a lot about how we didn't know who was Irish. We get into a very very fun character Card Dad game all sorts classic episode one of those classic never seen it episodes to write home about all the parts. You love script of relevant movie. We're really doing in it Samajwadi has never seen the Irishman does the episode. I hope you enjoy your script. And if you are in Brooklyn or New York please come out February sixteenth to union in hall. I will be there. We're doing a live podcast. Jean Grey we have Shane Torres. Tommy McNamara is going to be playing live music throughout the podcast. Well live score. We got it all. Please come out. 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I'm very excited ready. I didn't read it. Oh I WANNA make my way through as we go. It's so much I was like shy like really take this seriously seriously. Or should I do something absolutely bonkers We've kind of been all over the spectrum with that we've had. I've done this a lot of times. Actually Yeah Yeah I liked. Never been the scriptwriter person. I've been here for. I think like maybe three or four times. You're always the person scheduled you to come right. And it kept being postponed. Pound moved around every schedule. A bunch of times and then we just never ended up doing. We'll schedule it after this. They can't imagine which do these people I'm perfect today. This is never seen it. Everybody comedians rewrite famous movies and TV shows. They've never seen for for today in studio. Having never seen the Irishman is Samantha. Righty hello here and also joining us in studio once again. Not having written anything for the show is Mickey leaper. Let's it's But this the Irishman is such A. I haven't seen it either. Make you've seen it. I've not seen none of us. It's not So what is. It's it's bizarre because it's such a long prestigious movie. Even we're already passed. The transition where Netflix is taken taken. Seriously right everyone takes us. Rome came out and won best picture and even like the House of cards was such a big phenomenon of a show I didn't even know. Oh Kevin Spacey was an actor. I just thought he was fun online and cool YouTube. It was exclusively on Dick fireside blogs series guys all of a sudden spacey driving the boat this is even next level for that because for prestigious it just movies Scorsese is like even like he's like the the one percent of the one percent of prestigious. You know what I mean. We're all the people who make the movies as we take seriously love him. I love his movies. So much. I had a departed poster in college. Because I'm a basic bro. I love it. I think they're all great. They're all great. Even got away away with that very on the nose. Rat at the end of the departed just crossed the like what the film student level metaphor at the end with Iraq. It just crawls across the screen. And that's the last shot I missed the departed like two times and I was like I dunno like fourteen or whatever it's like came out on DVD And I saw it and I was like this is GonNa be the movie that I say when people ask me. What's your favorite movie? I'll just say best. Yeah amazing movie. It's such a good life. I'm actually adding that into a new regular question to ask is. What was your first favorite movie? That's good things really a defense mechanism. It's not an opinion. This is something that you say that make people stopped off make. My older brother stopped hitting what is the most obscure movie. Everyone likes I've seen. Oh well. Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's that a two club out yet. So but yeah this is I mean I love the departed so much I think it came out the same. Here's the Dark Knight and I was like going to movies. I'm the guy who likes movies. Movies were came out the same year. I'm going to. The movies is for me Tair when I when I was in high school I worked at a movie theater and I went in the same mall that the movie theater resent. I would go on my break every shift and buy a bunch of us. DVD's at the F. I. Yeah and I was like yeah. I'm obviously the movie Gag. And I buying like she's out of my league and Chile Films Bird watching the goods feeling movie theater. It's all good. I'm not saying that's a bad way. I'm just saying that like you can't like hang your hat right right movie. Theater's gotta be like the most duplicitous teenage job Because he thinks it's going to be like talking about pulp fiction with like college students or sipping coffee but it's mostly scraping gum. Yeah it's like a bad working fast food or A cool movie theater in my college town and then like the movie theaters and the cool movie theater would show is called rag tag and it's still super cool and shows like you know we're like we're going to go to rag tag and see Noah Baumbach Lombok movie or something like that and like I understand. I wouldn't select Don Herzfeld do a a talk there about a cartoon but we had a friend who worked at the video rental place place called Hollywood movies and it closed down and he was our movie Guy He had all the DVD's alphabetized he's like he's gotta see collateral or the coolest security blockbuster. Yeah and so he had all alphabetizing this DVD thing and would let us rent them from him even though he lived with us essentially that was all he was so but he eh one day the video rental place closed if you can imagine and he took all the cardboard cutouts of the Dark Knight and our basement which is full of Dark Knight Cardboard. There's there's just like it's like Batman and the joker just like looking at the Batman motorcycle and then it flooded our basement flooded half-melted Dark Knight Cardboard cutouts China's haunted house. Shout out Kevin. He just took all those cardboard cutouts. I worked in both kinds. I worked in a cool one in Philadelphia. Just a big giant one in my cool one still open the cool one kind of started getting a little like the business is a little rough so they had to start showing like other movies and I quit the week did they. Show the entourage move. I was just and it wasn't even a political stand. I was just also done working there but it was so funny. The entourage movie came out and they they got. They have two screens and it's just like they were doing bad enough with independent startling warranting independent movies. So they're like we got a screen on selling tickets. Uh Todd sklar. WHO's a filmmakers on here? Bunch who who have no from college. He made a movie when I was in college and he was just out of college and it took place in our college town and and I was in it and a bunch of people and it and it was like going Sundance noon pretty well and getting a lot of attention and todd was getting a lot of tension and they would show this at the independent movie theater five times a week people would come see it. They the Little Miss Sunshine. We're GONNA show box elder again and people beco- yeah the movie where I've been to that Deli or whatever they would all just go watch the daily. They've been two on the screen. Well that's kind of how the Irish man is for like Scranton. I have not seen it so I don't know if it's in it but apparently the book that it's based off of the buffalo families from the area. I'm from so everyone I like. My Dad watched the Irish mask. four-times over Christmas you would say would it be the most ubiquitous media scranton Pennsylvania of any television show or movie. I can't think anything else I can't even. I'm also noticing this d you refer to the Irish the the Irish. May I refuse to say the Irish. Crc Rash -ment just. Because I I don't know what's what's That's just my emphasis. You're the third person to call me out on it and I'm not GonNa stop and I think the Irish man. I'm sorry I think it's good. Yeah I just I like to sound like any of my jonquils. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's very fifty six. Do you ever hear adults. Purposefully mispronounced. Something just to fee every dot must have say pokemon. Oh yeah are those the pokey man just like you know how to say it. Sounds like you know how to say you're doing this to adult me right now. Say it right. I remember one time. My Dad adshead crash bandicoot and I got pissed off. I was like Whoa. What's so what's the deal? You can read the Internet and you could talk to me about this. And he decided the video game the whole time he knew ooh like he liked. They showed a crash. bandicoot is the moment of Zen at the end of Daily show episode and he was like. Oh It's crash bandicoot and I was like fuck you then for not talking on on personal information my parents would call. Everything's Nintendo. Everything's a pokey man and I'm like you know you know how to hook up dot com. That's complicated right. The only every time my dad would refer to a digital pokemon. I would die. A little one evolves. They stay that way. It's very different. For instance. I want to know more about what you know about. The Irish man It takes cursed from Scranton. Pennsylvania does not. Does it. Take a book. I think it just has parts there. Okay because one of the families involved was from Scranton and that's big enough for us how co where Scranton relative in Pennsylvania. It's northeast northeast. Since two hours west of New York City Northeast. That that's close enough to yet. I wish with Jersey and New York. It's Poconos area okay. Well let's let's. Let's get into the Irishman here. Okay I just want to say before we start offices you want yeah. I just think it's really important that you guys understand where I was coming. From with this I couldn't decide if I wanted to do. Carol or the Irishman right to movies. I confused for each other. I mix them up a lot so I couldn't decide so I decided I was going to do the Irishman but as a compromise I was gonna make it a little And I just want Any crime families who are listening to this to know. Oh That this isn't about you. Yeah even if you are in this movie I've never seen this movie It's about Robert Deniro Al Pacino and Joe Patchy it's not about you you please don't want imagine if families were as anal about their mentions as scientology is gonNA follow. You can't yeah put an asterisk in it. It's important for the audience to note also salmon. I are both sixty years old but our voices have been aged down onto sound like twenty five digitally aged out. Don't watch the video. Yeah I'm a young lady now all right so cast us up however you'd like okay. Well I guess I'll be Robert Deniro Do you do you WANNA be up to and then Do you WANNA play a litany of roles. Yeah uh-huh play a litany of roles. You play anyone is not Al Pacino Robert Deniro including all of the silent female characters. Oh for sure. Yeah thank you this does not pass the Bechtel's Pacino immediately. Forget to all right. Al Pacino is very Irish. Name Little Shaker thing whenever you ready okay are you going to do the scene headings or oh I do okay. All right okay I have no idea what years this took place so I just took a stab at it. Interior kitchen the year is nineteen ninety-seven the mighty mighty Bostonians are on the radio. Robert Deniro turns it off. The price is right is on the TV. With Bob Barker as Oh so you really hinted what year it is by mentioning the host of the prices. Right Robert Deniro away. I don't have to say his name you don't have to. I Hate Scum Mucus Art Boston's back. Let me let me just like totally like reset. NBC uh-huh okay. All right. We're starting from the very beginning. And it's GonNa go perfectly this time and I'm not GonNa make any mistakes the entire time. Okay in your kitchen. Robert Deniro okay. I have to I have to settle in focus. Okay we're GONNA do this. Please cut all this out. The year is nineteen ninety seven the mighty mighty boss stones are on the radio. Robert Deniro in euro turns it off the price is right is on the TV with Bob Barker as host. I Hate Sky Music. What is this? Nonsense Alpa Chino approaches approaches. Him with Joe Patchy Hope you don't mind US dropping in on you like this. Of course not. I liked the company so I heard you kill people. No actually I paint houses uses. Okay kill people to know. I Make People's houses nicer family pictures in front of them. Sorry boss I thought he killed people in it. It was a euphemism now. I'm just pulling your legs. I kill people man. You should see the looks on your faces Joe Pesci out up wildly wildly. You got us. Oh my God you got us to use a good one. I need to kill Joe. Patchy wish I couldn't even get through. I need you to kill Joe Pesci character Robert Deniro shrugs. Okay both Robert Deniro shoots Joe Patchy now we can finally be together. Robert Deniro Gazes longingly at Al.. Pacino a flashback begins. Robert Deniro is crawling through the trenches of Vietnam. He shoots a tree just to feel something. Robert we gotTA talk shooting. People just ain't working no more. We're losing the war. I think you're right. We should invite our enemies over for a Nice Lozano Chicken Marsala. An poison member stabbed them when they're guard is down. You're a chain. No I'm an I wish. Man Cut back to nineteen ninety-seven so that's how we won the Vietnam War. Wow you have beautiful fil. Is You know that though right thank you can you close. GOP's is they're freaking me out or you're sorry. Sorry out the Chino Slides Joe. She's highlights close but they keep opening backup individual just puts his hand over them. You you know he can never be together right. No actually. I didn't and I wish you told me that before. I ask you to kill Joe Patchy I have a wife the camera pans to his wife who is silently making Marinara sauce on the corner. Hey what's up nothing How are you? I don't care if you guys kiss we're not gonNA make you can get all hot and watch it. Yeah we're not bags meet who you're just here for the pleasures of the female gaze. You're right I was being inappropriate. Thank you I I accept your apology. I made you a wine. Just couldn't believe that that would be the next line is e stared like another line appear something that's like this shit wife places a wine in front of them. She's one of the good ones. Do you ever go down on her. No that's gay. Oh okay true. FLASH RUSH FORWARD TO TWENTY Twenty Robert De Niro is in a nursing home. He rocks back and forth while watching. The price is right with drew Carey Not Bob Barker as host host to show the passage of time. I'm a really good writer. I have so many regrets Mr the action though. Yes all right take a very important. We have to deliver this line again. It's really hard to deliver. It's Kinda cutting have so many regrets. A nurse God nerve. I'll make LASAGNA. Sound yeah okay from ticket from still more time okay. So uh-huh oh my God you're interrupted it's like the last act this is the this is the emotional arc. Okay okay sorry okay sorry so pick them uh-huh okay all right come on nobody talk. I have so many regrets. A nurse walks in with the comically large. lasagna Mr Irishman. It's time for lunch. Not Now. I'm reminiscing Oh my bad. The nurse leaves Robert Deniro alone and he stares out the window longingly. I got everything I ever wanted. Except for him. Martin Scorsese course. AC drives down the hallway and scooter in a Stanley. How now that's one hell of a story the end? 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Never seen it quipped. The good habits company go check it out starbucks audio listeners. This is Canadian motion casher and I've got a brand new album album coming out on January twenty fourth. It's all crowd work album. It's called crowd surfing and it's unique. Twist on crowd work one that I think you'll enjoy January. Twenty four th get get it anywhere you get your music. It's how they I can't in this cast. I'm sure the movies great credible. I don't think any of them are Irish are they. I think they're all Italians and I think it's an ironic maim like when a really big guys named tiny really. Yeah well there's going to be only one right because man the most Italian Irish no L. Like is there one summer call in. Is there one Irish totally right. Wasn't that part of Goodfellas. was how a couple couple of a more half Irish or something. So they couldn't be made men right only Pacino. Only she can become a made man because like Ray Liotta 's got Irish blood or something that people were. I heard. They had all different kinds of racism before. Oh yeah there was like some really unique racism before I'm from an area that's like mostly Italian and Irish this year. We have a call in from Rebecca producer. Right outside the narrows. Irish Pacino is half Irish half German in the. That's so fun I I love the participant. Police I mean Pacino does a German accent Pacino is playing Jimmy Hoffa. WHO's that very famous mobster? Oh the other thing is listen. I'm not down. This whole lake. Mobsters are famous thing. Like if you didn't grow up in like the Tri State area uh-huh and what is the Tristate area actually don't know what does the Ktar why because they all want to be a part of it is helpful person. Do you ever think it's New York and New Jersey Connecticut. Yeah right like it's not Pennsylva- tape Pennsylvania and I say that sometimes people say Sam Roadhouse and I say that people say some people are saying they're saying it's all this thing though we're like mobsters famous. It's like no it was like A. Ah Not literally the most famous mobster. Is Tony Soprano. And he's fake. Yeah exactly like my parents who what mid Westerners who are the famous Amos mobsters ever they would say to Tony Soprano and then they would say the Godfather for vegetables from the Godfather xactly. Jimmy Hoffa is just a name. I've or or like dillinger or someone like something that's not even really a mobster. It was just like Jesse James or something like that. I didn't know that this was like a true story. I like I knew it was based on a true story story but I didn't know that they were playing real people. I think this is probably a great movie is probably amazing. It's probably not as good as this. Yeah no no no not as Also I I want you to know that if I if I had done carol The first line was going to be. But Darling we can't be gay. It's Christmas orbital meets. Jimmy Hoffa's not a mobster. We're not looking this up trying to labor union leader Nice Unions about the real mob faces. Everybody the lizards The Teacher's Union A so basically so she say Pacino's and Cunanan and now we're GONNA be on. Another list was scientology fans of the wgn. And I think that's important. I think that that's what I'm really I didn't watch the Golden Globes I loved this putting like Pacino and Peci and Deniro and the score says he at one table that's hilarious. I know they all did make a movie together this year. That was nominated for probably best best movie. I know they call it bad but it's just so funny. They're all at the table together because they're all guys who look the same and talk the same. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It feels like on the nose. It's like if you had my aunt seat beat them. She's like okay. I'll put everyone I know at this table. Julia Roberts will be at the other table right I I'll probably watch it. I was GonNa Watch on my phone on my phone airplane and then instead I read the article about how mad he was. That superhero movies exists. He'll know he'll know and he'll find and you know and you'll find it. I'm a little worried about Scorsese. Blacklisting me over this. Not GonNa lie to you. He It just don't make sequel. Who will be fine with? That's that's what really sets him off. Hates Marvel and sequels is out the entire student sequels. And I don't get it and it's like you can't really tell him what to say about movies because you know. Oh He's the guy who makes the best movies but I also like the superhero movies. I think they're good. I think you should make a Mafia superhero movie. I in a that. Probably no one's ever said that before it's probably a very original take but I just think that you'd be good at it could literally still be called called the avengers. Sometimes when San when you gonNA tear about like an idea you have about media interview like a little kid and it's like so what do you think. And they're like well how I think they say something like no one ever could have imagined in the history of time and that's the thing that's on the front of their mind obvious choice. Yeah yeah they're pulling on your shirt. Excuse me news anchor. So the giraffe get the news but listen I. There was such a big member when that was the thing everyone was talking about for six hours at one day when Become a tall order but Oh Samsung playing the xylophone. Video to prove other everybody. Nobody just tuned out. But it's like everybody just through their phone. Everybody just got Bluetooth headsets. These days so they're still listening at least for forty feet while driving. They have to listen for the ten or twenty until they're out of the race like help set. You are when it's actually funny dammit. dammit that's good data that we got some games are going to play. They're just going to infuriate you. Listen I'm wearing a LA dodger. Dude I know have abandoned No I just wear this hat because I I like I like I like the the West Hollywood Do Sh- look. You know the like all Black Collared Hoodie yet. A little bit right I I I wear old time. That's the look bad guy. Hey so for those watching. The video bad guy goes watch Mekki. Aki isn't a white pointy hood and because at the West Hollywood look and and SAM calls it A. What's up with the dodgers hat? You see somebody dressed like KKK gave the dodgers can we trade her. Wow you guys both. During the same time the burden of the podcast for the host of the show Eight talks about it Always a bridesmaid never keke. That's like if you scheduled your wedding four times then. He kept pushing the wedding back because he was traveling. You'RE GONNA come to the wedding though right. You're the house right now. Someone else's vows. If they've got any lines Joe pesci still have that triangle. Can I play floor. Four unnamed women in your surprised they talked at all I was. I know I wasn't going to give them wines. It's like a ha ha look how sexist these movies can be. But then I was like agam some lines. There's probably some women scorsese movies. Yes the one that gets yelled at by Ray LIOTTA FOR MAKING PASTA wrong and Goodfellas the center. That's that's a strong female role. She does even though she doesn't want to cook there. We're going against type. She's should know how to cook. According to like Costa Radio. Yeah it's actually a super athlete. She goes to work immediately after. Yeah see okay What we who about the last or the first favorite movie said the departed was like the first movie right? That's what I used to say for a long time was the first movie you tell people with your favorite movie Probably the Little Mermaid and then like as a teenager I think I got really into the Dark Knight also close to laugh and when you send the Little Mermaid because it's like well my favorite movies To finish a newspaper late for sure. Yeah part of their world. It's like like very good. She has red hair. It's a you know it's a whole thing schwantz likes I really liked fair. steelers day off I think in like like tenth grade I was like this is like a movie that is fun and like liked enough not a and like light and fun but not the joke you have never found a good way of phrasing. What is the movie that you kind of felt like you found? That was your because it's like I when I watched that was like. Oh I wonder if anyone knows about this built so much like it. Didn't feel like a blockbuster movie hello I'm thirty one okay and so it just felt like a movie that I watched it. No one told me to watch it much. Do you make before taxes. Thirty two dollars. uh-huh not doing taxes anymore. Though I am I am I should say I. Am I do taxes. Yeah that's how they got the mob. True Jimmy Hoffa's GonNa take me down. The Tories is not mobster but I always sometimes it feels like you the fierce beer's not some huge blockbuster. It was but it's not like Back to the future which every I kind of felt like I found Ferris Bueller felt like I watch and I'm like oh I wonder if I could tell people and then can you tell people is so famous we all know about this but it felt like it was talking to me. I found on my own so it kind of felt like I had like a more intimate relationship. It'd we'll be like that people had stopped talking about it at the time that I was like the age that he is the by the time I was in the demo. Nobody ever told me like. You've got to see Ferris Bueller or maybe I had heard it. Yeah before like I had heard the title or something but also that sounds like a bad movie like a good to me like a good movie. When I'm a kid is just like spider or man like I recognize what it's about? Yeah like Ferris Bueller. It's like if it was about Frederick Douglass on eleven suck. Yeah well I had such an interesting time insisting and where I thought I don't know like the Little Mermaid quits being your favorite movie and minute turns into this time? Where movies can really help define who you are like your identity? Little Mermaid two rushmore. Yeah Russell sued for something like that which I suffer the first time. It's good no see I watched it. I'd never seen it and I watched it last year and I don't know if it's good because sometimes you miss them like and you see them too late and you're like well was this That's I mean I was like Star Wars. I was just talking about this. I watch all Star Wars. When the Ryan Johnson one was about mining was or whatever and the last two or three maybe for one is never seen any of them? Yeah Yeah Yeah and then I was like oh I wonder and this is my. I haven't seen the New Star Wars. I've read a Lotta reviews for it or at least like Qu I and I think a lot of us can be summed up by someone reviewing it by saying how come them. This didn't come out when I was twelve or like that. How did they how come child watch this for the first because it just seems like? That's Your Association Star Wars San Jose. Some she's going to eat the microphones. I have no. I'm sure it's Hate News Star Wars. I like bad name for it awakens and I liked the last Jedi I and I hate this one. Okay I have a question. What's the first movie that you thought was bad? That train driving at the screen timid kind very to long island to see hitch when I was in eighth grade with this boy and I was like this is the worst thing I've ever seen and what was what did the did the Experienced the effect that or you like this is bad actually was the idea that you're making out with the boy into it so possibly but mainly mainly. I think it's a bad movie. Why kids now I was like why are you like taking hitch back and making it a good movie? It was so boring nothing happens. It's very boring and honestly I'm gay and I preferred making out with that guy. It's so funny to think of you as a a youtube movie reviews just the first part of that just like listen. It's a bad movie. I'm gay smashed that like it Yeah I went and saw for while every time I just thought it was good because it was there. I remember my dad saying that movies were bad and I thought he seems so smart for saying that and let me know as soon as I can figure out why movies are bad and tell people about that. I'M GONNA be so So anyways I'm GonNa Go re-watch Mothman Prophecies. No but I thought that was good. Yeah that was one of them that I remember and then being like These movies are deep. Yeah something like that. My friend's mom chain smoke cigarettes and played online poker. All Day was like you guys got to watch Boston's surreal. Just likes movies documentaries documenting his. Yeah does that not. I'm crying. I like thought that was real until I mean I hadn't considered it's because it was all the horror movies that came out for five years after Blair witch project just shove footage stuff in your face that shit where moth man's on the bridge that's not real. You know I saw that. Like you. WanNa say major you like a year younger than me or some twenty-five okay. I know you're a little younger than me. I'm twenty seven. I mean I just remember. I was the perfect age for Blair witch where I was old enough to be scared by A- and like understand that it was a cultural phenomenon but young enough to think it was completely real and going to happen to everyone I do. Aw That's already out on the horror movies. I watched Scooby Doo and Zombie Island. When I was six or seven scary it was really scary because by the way and listen hey? I'm furious. Excellent okay. Hey why is it real. Hey guys every episode of Scooby Doo they rip off the mask increasing. Yeah that was what was crazy about that one goes. ooh Me as a child old house in the house. It was in scooby. Zombie was made out of an old pirate ship. That was haunted house. They rift drywall. And they found a pirate ship under in the kitchen and my house looked exactly like that. My my dad is real. Diy Guy and he put up Shitty so who knows he could have built the whole boat underneath there. I that's what I think. Yeah everything on Scooby. Doo was fake until like there was never actually really a team. I'm called the Harlem globetrotters I used to be. Scooby Doo famous. Crossover thought you're saying that. Like the Genesis I man and now there's no actual basketball team called the Harlem globetrotters and stressed out to rewatch. Scooby Doo on Zombie Island hoping that the ending would change. You'll be like okay. No it was the DVD upside down if you play it. It's just memento if you played backwards. We had a thing I've thought about this. We Ida psychology teacher in high school. Who was also football coach? So basically he wasn't I teach teacher. Who's your coach? And then psychology teacher was like a basketball so easily demonstrate having. CT every they did do is the second or third day of of the the whole year. We watched memento. And when you see that when you're like a sophomore in high school and you see mentally like film art do you still love first and then that's a perfect age. It's the perfect age. You're very impressionable and you can barely kind of grass. Yeah everything the thing about the movie is unique and so then you're and I I still do love it. I think it's a great movie but then later in the semester. We watched memento again because he just I and everyone was like we watched this already and he was like no. We didn't talk and he's like we didn't watch. This never was like we. He watched memento. And then we're explaining the plot to him he's like Oh so you guys have all no. We didn't all independently watch memento already. We've all seen and then it was like. Is this part of Memento in. And then eventually he just didn't care about teaching and he actually was Growing up I was like that. Ed Teacher really taught us that was a psychological experiment the way that he was doing that but it wasn't. He just was bad at teaching. That is a dangerous time to watch movies. That's a dangerous age to watch movies because you like super don't like when you're like thirteen ash you don't understand that movies are pretend for sure like they mostly seem pretend but like you could misinterpret like a found footage. You know fiction thing as like a real documentary. I watched five hundred days of summer when I was just too young. I didn't understand it team bro. I thought it was about that. Joseph Gordon Levitt is like a good Guy Zoe additional mean. I didn't understand before your fifteen. You think that he's the good guy and then if you watch it with like any real life experience you're like Oh this guy's sucks I didn't. I totally missed the point and that's operated relationships until I was like twenty one years old it has it been a year and a half never seen it. I don't know how five hundred as a summer works. I feel like he stalks her essentially. No it's just the story of a relationship over that duration all right literally a story about a girl. I don't really want anything serious right now. And then he's like serious for like five hundred. Listen yeah the literally that and I was just like so crazy. She's like playing with him leg. But it's just like totally miss it. I would be in a relationship and like I would be doing that. It'd be like classic dude. It's happening to get again. I'm getting Tom so bad. So the Obama girl named autumn. Because it made me want to kill myself summer yes and then he met a girl and and then it's like the end of the movie and let me tell you when I saw that I was like. Hey this is the best movie ever and now you're like show room by a college sophomore screen writing classes. What it sounds like to me as you describe the movie also literally? I assume that like like I was dating at the time because I would like show them the movie and be like look how good this movie Uvi is. It's the same thing as your professor being like like like telling you about. Memento Mentor is good enough. Example to show in a psychology class right. And it's like and it's like then you wonder when he shows you again like are you like doing momentum memento and that's what we were like literally Mr Settles so smart and I'm no he just doesn't end five hundred as a summer marine literally being like a toxic guy forcing somebody to watch something and being like. He's in great. I'm going to do this right now. Him this good right right right. Well you autograph my shirt for watching the movie with me. It is a weird time to let because it's fifteen to eighteen even fifteen to twenty movies really really also at the beginning of that movie. He talks about misinterpreting the meaning of the graduate graduate and then I misinterpreted the meaning of the movie where they said that. Yeah Yeah I do in reality. What they were trying to get across was look? This guy doesn't know how to interpret things and see how he you behave yeah. He has no self awareness without self awareness. And I was like oh I get it the perfect. I'm so bad. Oh man maybe I'll watch. I wonder how that would feel watching now for the first night the variance so many movies for the first time the age that I'm like how are we ever. How was I mean? I've never even like the goonies. One afraid to watch because people who love it love it so much never scene and I'm like I wonder if I watch it now. It's just APPs the one that was so I'd never seen back the future until like maybe a year and a half or two years ago then. I watch us the best movie anyone's ever made. I'm like like this is just perfect movie with all the perfect movie parts for sure but everyone had hyped it up so much I was ready to be let down and I wasn't oh is it really good. It's great I've seen it. I mean it's like the perfect every it's just so good. I have Komo TV. I started watching survivor like a year ago and I was like this is why this is why they built televisions televisions but physical the getting after which led us to here. Yeah that's how I feel about survivor. You fuck this podcast. I think they're starting to watch it last time you were here. I in your mind season one episode nine. I remember I talk a lot about survivor. The first season season on here. Because it's so funny to me Richard Hatch. You didn't pay taxes after winning a million dollars more famously than anyone had ever. One dollars didn't report his survivor survivor winnings on his taxes and he got went to jail and they like they like. You'll bro. We saw the whole world. It was the most viewed atv ever when it happened. And you want a million dollars in front of fifty million people and his taxes. He's like I made forty thousand dollars and iris like we know we. You make that ribs richer man he's like I'm going to invent an even newer strategy where I also don't pay tax ultimate rat snake situation. Yeah he's like doing talking heads and his apartment he's like they have no idea to know. Mutate and a million dollars tax uh-huh yeah like the. Irs shows plays the idol. Sorry to balance on this stick longer than I can give you a pineapple and PATEX. Right right yeah get in the car and your arrest. Keep my hands behind my back for eighteen years. So what season the survivor you want. I'm jumping around so I'm like around these crazy people in order. Yeah no I I I'm trying right now to get through enough season. So that I've seen everybody's storyline leading up to one of the heroes versus villain on season. So I know but I'm watching it with my girlfriend who's never seen the show. which is now that is now what I show women instead of five days of summer? I'm just like seven at least two thousand hours of reality television. Don't worry if we watch the first thirty seasons half of one of the other seasons makes a little more sense. So we're GONNA get into this just like the real housewives of this island cut to August survivor. You put out a little torch putting putting out a romantic candle with a tiny little cup but survivor did kind of start. All this reality everything where everything in every situations it also is what prompted loss to be made. It was a lot of stuff was made because of survivor. Chopped Law lost developed by. TV exempts in a room. WHO said what's the most watched show on TV survivor? How do we write survivor? Yeah I mean I mean just came off season room television show. I love lost good show nursing. It is a can't imagine it's fun to Rewatch because I think a lot of it. It was one of the early. Get on the Internet and talk. It really needed you to talk about it for a week. Because I you're like fuck. I hate that episode by the end of the week. You're like yeah but what is that. And then you sort of hype it if you could just keep going UBIQU- why was any of this written. I wonder if people would talk would have talked about like Dallas Alice on the Internet when they leave Texas Mash twitter. I bet they mentioned the season Break Lake in happy days when he literally jumped the shark. This is going to be a phrase everything it all right. We got a some some dumb games. We're going to play this game is called Before and after's can play on for beef. Oh you're GONNA have one starting over Mike. Sorry that's okay get ready to be four uh-huh yeah yeah So before and after we've smashed to movie titles together into one I'll read you the new smushed together plot and you have to tell me the title. They can be smashed together all sorts of ways. It's not always very well done Some examples wolf of Wall Street gone baby gone girl for Argo Saving Private Silverman and so on right. You guys are mad at the examples. Imagine the ones that weren't good enough to make the examples list. These are these. Is it like those categories on jeopardy all right fuck off yes. That was the working title of the game but we already had the song all right ready ready to fuck off with all right so you can work together or you can go against each other. It's going to be. Let's compete all right first one. Here's the first plot wait. What are we doing returning? Guess the title the title. I'll tell you this much together description plot of that movie. You told me you like if I was like there's a tiny robot who shorts penny stocks to make you beg wolf of Wall Street Right. That's well ornell one might say that but I have a social life so I don't know if that's going to you ever seen as five hundred as the summer and only because it's it's true well the first one is about a Spartan Army who stock who is in a toxic relationship for three hundred days Boy Sam's up one. Nothing I said five hundred hundreds and she said three hundred days summer and those are good answers that on the first one. That's like what's wrong with you. I'm so sorry. Can we graze over the part where you're definitely right about. What's wrong with my brain? Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean we are you you should see these spreadsheets. 'cause people send me the titles so it's Nice. It saves me like at this point. Fans this show are sending title saves me a lot of time and I just have to write the descriptions and kyle has an incurable disease rainforest just this segment. Certainly not this whole thing all right. Here's number one. I should probably just stop with that for now. An actor who used to play a superhero accidents develops a lively rubber like substance that he uses to to attempt to bounce back into a career on Broadway flubber man so close fluttered. Yeah man man. It's so quick. I knew the two movies quicker than I did. Flop this brain one. Okay all right next one nothing well. It's it's one and a half to one. We're GONNA count that three hundred days of summer. The first one and a half to one Minnesota physics professor sees life falling apart and just as his wife readies to leave him a nine year old he was watching kidnapped and he must attempt to get her back through a sea of corrupt cops and criminals. You can always tell when I haven't seen the movies because 'cause I just have to go fine. The plot online this one so hard. Is it like Minnesota physics professor sees. His life is falling apart and just as his wife readies to leave him a nine year old he was watching kidnapped and he must attempt to get her back through. C. OF CORRUPT COPS take no shit. That's his donner. It's not a nine year old ricky. Yeah Yeah okay wait. So it's a nine year old kid. Sweep yeah but wait. I don't want to give. I know we should give fast because there are people at home that are like pissed off. What does it do? You WANNA give up. This one is a serious man on fire fucking. That's so mean to you can ask all right. Well let's get to the harder this This one's not as hard. I don't think a legendary soul singer who lost his sight at age. Nine wants a child so badly that he steals one out of a set of quintuplets Rate Changeling. Now what's wizner big. Daddy Ray that's so funny to me because big daddy is sort of a guy who doesn't want to give a kid back who we baby sitting right. Isn't that what it is. Who steals a child from a child? quintuplet clint hug set of quintuplets. I don't I don't see that's the thing I don't know them. That field rethinks him so like let's talk it out. It's definitely ray and and you'd think that God will if one movie is just one word and that's the whole title we're not combining anything really. We're just saying the title of one movie. Oh my God is a combined to some kind of whole word. It's a long phrase as no. Let's just one second movie is two words second. The whole smushed together title is also two words Judgment Ray. That's fun. Terminator Judgment Rate. That will be on the next episode yet. The Ray after tomorrow but these are all good. Yeah I'm just thinking we're looking for raising Arizona. Ah I haven't seen raising your everyone loves it. But that's what the plot is on listeners. Like dislike you because I would listen to this if I was like a movie Guy. You know what I mean. Yeah I'd be like Oh like a movie podcast and then I would listen to and it's like hey and every guest has never seen a movie and they're playing games and I know the cancer and they don't know the for sure. Well I like that. I like a verbal assault on the listeners. All right we know you're not enjoying this and We enjoy that. I think I think they like. It's fun to be better at something than people. Yeah that's true. Yeah do you guys like it that we're idiots. Yeah you are genuinely and I'm not saying this any irony that you are smart you're better fuck All right this is a TV before and after these ones usually harder to combine TV shows generally don't have one plot This is T- before and after an aging Sitcom Star deals with and avoids his depression and stagnant career by becoming an intergalactic bounty hunter silence. Is this a TV show. It's to t intergalactic. Bounty Hunter Hitching Sitcom Star deals deals with and avoids his depression and stagnant career. What did they what did they do? Or they're an agent God of L.. Jack Cassettes thing but wait buyer Jack. Hundred name dog dog talked about the bounty say intergalactic. So that's the only part I know from mm dog the bounty hunter because he's intergalactic Timid Kyle candle wait. It was like A. Is it like a star. Trek is almost star Trek Star GALACTICA. No we're the ordeal parlance as you call. It bore Ville. You know I thought you were doing. I like you guys don't want to work for BOJ horsemen delorean. Oh good it shows you. What it is is the Horse Man? I took the three letters from the end of that one and added manned landlord. It's a storm here. Senate's Yeltsin he goes I is it. What is it on a streaming service? I've this podcast not anymore. All right last one. This is a before before during and after so this is three movies okay. Combined into one This one's worth two points. I have have actually either. And there's half so if you get to you could win. This is this is this is a no she got a UH No. Yeah you're right it's one to a half right okay. What if and so sad that I was keeping they were you hooked up to remind us of the score he put on another dodgers hat anyways? That Styrofoam someone that you would win at a six flags GREENV- in a plan to escape the mob after witnessing a hit two guys disguise themselves as women in jazz band and and after drinking all night in a Jacuzzi they wake up in nineteen eighty six to help try and prevent an incident where they hurt a co worker and spiral into a deep paranoia and delusional state God. These are so hard to combine. Is this la La land white chicks and which is also my working working title for La La Land All in white chicks vander pump shut out la La Land L.. La West Hollywood. I like that you finish that legally had to say it was important contractually obligated ski say will more time. We're going to skip the first because it's not that relevant to guys disguise themselves women in jazz band and after drinking all night and Jacuzzi wakeup up in Nineteen eighty-six in an incident where co worker spirals them into deeper paranoia and delusion. Is it hot. Tub Time machine is that it is one of them so hot tub time machine and plus two guys disguising themselves as as okay. What's that thing? There's there's a couple of movies where women disguise is themselves to get into something like the man. She's the man. What is that soccer team? Soccer team woman. Soccer team tootsie I don't even know what to get in Kyle's brain it's like watching you've never seen any of the three movies k. i. e. suck doc took an email spam. Oh okay so it's a hot tub time machine. What is is a dumb sentence that would go with that just you know? Rebecca did guest this one just out sound like hot tub time. No you're still close. You have the first to some like it. Hot Tub to read again We'll we'll I'll we'll get the last part right. We're looking for your To two women two guys disguise themselves to imminent jazz band after drinking all night inch cousy ninety-six wchs an incident where they hurt a co worker. Spirals them deeper into paranoia and delusion some like it hot tub time weakened Bernese nine to five. I don't know the coworker. Yeah that sounds like like horrible bosses. This is what is this. I don't know horrible. Bosses is all right. Are we done this one. No no no you know we can do. We can move on and this one can sit in your brain it. Just tell us we're looking for some like it hot. Tub Time machinist. Oh like I've never walked out of the bucket. Look Good Sams. Headphones are GONNA FIT now. She's taken in her hat and glasses off. We got different game. It's not even upon based if you can believe it couldn't believe it I can't I can't believe depict movie game Amos called build the perfect movie How this works is you will compete against each other? It's still one. It's going to be one to one. Because she got two thirds of that one that autry you will against each other. You must combine two movies from the category. I give you to build the perfect movie which means as close to one hundred hundred percent combined rotten tomatoes score as possible without going over prices. Right rules apply. So for instance. Perfect Rotten Robin Williams movie will be happy feet and RV. Happy feet is seventy six percent. RV's twenty four percent Dow would add up to be a perfect movie. So I'll give you a category you will alternate picks after you both pick one. It'll give you your scores and then we'll pick the second one all right okay. So you're gonNA try and build the perfect thriller or horror movie somewhere in that vein thriller or Horror Movie Sam will pick for the decline a background of this game so I have to pick Tuesday. You'll penny one MAC. You'll pick one more view the scores and then you'll pick another one trying trying to get close to one hundred percent as possible without going over without Glenn over prices right. Oh Jeez Bro. So so you really got to pick like two Afro Super High Super Law or amazing movie and a super high. It's going to be so tough because horror reviews user sort of on the curve of being more. That's okay I'M GONNA go for number one. I'm going to go low here. I'm going to go Friday the thirteenth. Jason Jason. In space right. That's ninety six Friday the thirteenth Jason in space that Jason X.. Okay okay. I haven't seen any Friday thirty movies before. Okay okay I'M GONNA go with I'M GONNA go with centipede human instead of Pete Three Electric Blue Blue. Yeah Yeah Okay so called the final sequence. Yeah all right Jason as an ex SAM. You're at twenty percent. That's twenty tomatoes human centipede three seventeen percent seventeen percent so high number goes first in the second round so so sam. Pick your second movie you cannot go over one hundred chemical over one hundred happy death day. I feel like it's in the seventies. I'm moving out to seventeen. Oh wait to have to be old. No no that would make a it's in the seventies joke. Never mind maybe God damn Seven is not worth going back for the second outing on this. I've just minute things I'm going to get pissed. Okay my pick is going to be Steven SODERBERGH's haywire higher. Okay wow okay Jason X.. Twenty Percent Happy Death Day seventy one percent we have a ninety one percent. That's a great score human centipede three seventeen percent. SORTA we need here. We need eighty five. Eighty is seventy five. Seventy no way WOAH. Seventeen to beat her at another math. All right we'll haywire. Eighty percent ninety seven percent. That's a great movie S. That's two points right there. This two points right there so well did. That's that's probably the best. Losing Price One of them we've ever had the best losing percentage unfortunately there's a losing percentage All right well we got another around okay. So now what you're going to try and do is make a you'll pick I in this one because you one last round bread you'll try and build a perfect movie category is they must star a former. SNL CAST member. Jesus okay okay okay. I'M GONNA start with Start with that's my boy. I was also I was also leading Sandler You know what new rule both your movies can't star the same. SNL CAST member. She's still on a stick with. That's my boy. Yeah Okay I think that adds a funny. A Non Sandler wrinkle into it although a former yeah currents fine okay And Yours can be sandler if you aren't just you can't get it not to sleep the handlers team name. We need an example of a type of gem and how it's cut Okay This is really hard. Okay you know what the music pretty good. You did a great job between situation. I like okay. You know I'm just GonNa I'm just GonNa go for it. I'm GONNA go Night at the Roxbury okay. That's my boy starring Adam Sandler. I'm twenty percent on rotten tomatoes twenty percent. That's actually higher than I thought would be night at the Roxbury eleven eleven percent Galleria to work with so high numbers. Go First Twenty percent second movie starring former or current s no cast member. That's not Adam Sandler. So I at twenty percent right now or is close to eighty but but not eighty-one right Then I'm GonNa go with Shit I'm GonNa go with a Kind of a risk. Because I don't remember but I can't really think of another option in the range I'm GonNa go with Gruber. I Agassi exactly why they would feel like a risk is very beloved amongst comedians. How was it received? I know it's not above eighty. I know it's not above there so shitty to the lonely island. It sucks. They they have made meets three like perfect. And it's getting zero credit for its size. Almost like didn't come out. That's how little and I love it vessel funny so good it's so funny and then most anyways hires like my favorite movie like ever. Yeah Yeah All right okay And I'M GONNA go so Meeting nine would be the perfect. I fucked this direction so I have to. I have to be below ninety Eh. Yeah but I. Yeah so sir can't be like anonymously but you know what I'm GonNa go with The spy who dumped me just a Kate McKinnon vehicle. The vehicle was a scooter right. Wasn't it from the trailer I remember I saw the trailer played for this movie. Meal Kunas in Came can who I like both of them and once it was over someone in the movie theater goes there's one and I don't even know what that meant was that was so funny like they were just like that will be a movie when it comes out parts to be a movie. The movie aren't that's my boy. Twenty percent gruber forty thirty eight percent cigarette sixty percents. Rip Night at the Roxbury eleven so we need what fifty seven here to tie the spy who dumped me forty nine nine. What forty nine I saw? It was good weight so this sixty eight as well so oh garbage garbage. You know. That's so raven. I knew you were you out to play. A movie called that so garbage. Yeah so it's a podcast only audio and even you guys can't see the computers in here and I was going to camera. Yeah you yeah well. There's more than three camera lit up camera on China. Camera Right We play one more time I need. You WanNa play one more time. Okay so the last game is is three points so right now. What does the score? It sees a five to one half. Yeah it is five to one in one half so you need it. Does two points for this game. You need to win the next two games to win the podcast that we've never done it like this W- SORTA well all right. So we'll we'll do this one Let me hold on. Come with category come with category gory vending game right now. No no no no. You're SC build the perfect movie Any type of animation is prevalent arriving. Lynton the movie so anywhere from Pixar to cartoon to Roger Rabbit anything like that. There's any animation that that's prevalent or known in the movie to build a perfect movie account so Once again make you'll go. I I go I. I pick Barnyard to arts the same. Just you know that means. You can't pick barnyard to okay. I'll figure out how to proceed Okay I'M GONNA go with Hold hold on Barnyard on your too. I think is on rotten tomatoes. Tim Back at the barn. Now that's a show back at the barn. Oh yes sorry maybe they turned it into shape. Yeah no consensus yet figuring it out. Okay well then I want to go with the sequel to over the hedge. Oh still on the side of the hedge the sequel to over the hedge is a video game. Oh water place. They shouldn't then. I guess there is no over the head. I don't don't know to a video game what I'll go with Zelda tailend finding all right I'm gonNA run down my top removed. You've exhausted my knowledge after this just one. Yeah Jesus okay all right well then. The problem with animated movies is a lot of them are like extremely well regard. Yeah you know what I mean you have to find like a truly bad one. Fuck I think like what movies they've been really mean about too. 'cause I always think it's funny when it's like a kids movie and it's it's like a clot was simple yet like a kid could follow this then I okay. Then I'm women if go with and this is my final answer and I will not think about it anymore and I will just say it and it is oh robots robots the Robin Williams movie correct. I think that's probably pretty good. Okay I'M GONNA go I'm GonNa go with the emoji movie movie. Yeah Yeah there was a right answers. All right robots sixty four percents on rotten tomatoes hardest hardest fought literally imagine thirty six animated movie The emoji movie seven seven percent. Seven people So so so make. You're going to go. I hear you need thirty six percent or less but still enough to wear whatever pixar movie she says she gets her inevitably to one hundred thirty six percent or less. Yeah what about FARC. What about eight crazy nights that Adam Sandler animated? Oh that's a really good movie. That's such a I. Don't I think I fucked up. I think that's a good choice movie at seven percent. I will tell you. This Mekki is not Over one hundred I think it was. I thought he was eligible eligible. He's I think he is really close to one hundred because I was looking all the Adam Sandler movies on rotten tomatoes. The other gyms thinking about the progression thinking about every frigging breaking one okay. GM's these basketball player. Please the Irishman there has to be one. Okay okay so Oh man this is tough. Okay I'M GONNA go with it like that. This is honestly a little because it can't be an absolute masterpiece that has ninety nine percent. Percents it's crazy to play music during this because it means that you can't cut out the dead air it means that if there's music in the background we have to hear all of true. Okay I'm just going to make a choice need. Don't take that as being your fault. Say Sharing Right. Did you ever hear about when you know old comedy Central half-hour incoming sound presents and the changes closed throughout the whole sets. Couldn't edit anything out or change. The order he just kept stripping close off the entire time so take a jacket off and leave it on the stage. Why is that? It's a funny okay. I'M GONNA go with But but finding dory okay robots sixty four percent crazy nights twelve percent Old Sets a seventy six seventy six percent. The EMOJI movie seven Percent Finding Dory Ninety four percent. You went over by one. Percents me you. Aw It's no finding Nemo. I wonder if it's present is higher than this finding Nemo I will. The Finding Nemo is ninety nine and find Dory Oh finding Nemo was ninety nine percent. I think it's literally the highest movie on Rotten. Tomatoes is like finding Nemo in Toy story two or three is also ninety nine percents. The hurt locker is older percent. It is okay okay. I guess I could've just said like one hundred percent and zero percent but the categories that you give does yeah I thought through you continue to win all right. So what are you looking at. It is seven to one half right now. If we're doing this random tally all right. So we're going to play one round for five points points of the game character literally point away from all right this five points. Those we have two games left Sam So what you're GonNa do is. You're going to pick a card out of these cards right here. I don't know what's on them Rebecca ACA wrote them and on them as a movie or television character. You won't know who you are and then you'll have two minutes to guess to ask us. Yes or no questions to guess who you are like like that phone APP that you hold up to your head or whatever And so you have two minutes. Which of these three cards would you like to be the middle one the middle on? Okay so take your headphones off and the plug your ears. Let me look at who you are and I'll say it in here so we both sick. I don't have to take you can't if you want. Though it doesn't matter added another it's okay. No dude cut I mean this is but if she gets the name of if she gets the name uh-huh same graduation song I think Rebecca gave you a good luck after hearing who Will Move Your TV Flaka. It's a legit. It's legit bad one. Oh it's bad you have two minutes yes or no questions only think you can get it I do I I think you can. Yeah maybe two minutes yes or no questions. Only whenever you're ready in my man you are male. Am I an animal yes I am I ANTHROPOMORPHIC Y- well. I don't know if it was like a dog's tail or some shit where the dog don't talk at all You know okay Okay am I one of the dogs from homeward bound downtown. Am I animated now for your Sorta you are not even. I'm not a cartoon. No but you are digitally rendered and my Beethoven but it feels not wait. Am I supposed to be helping. No Oh you were just answering yes or no questions. Okay to either psychic maybe okay never uh-huh sure but did you say. Do you have a cat side. You have a cat friend for sure. Lots of them. Yeah my the dog from Alvord Alvarez no I'm not animated Interesting you say an company. There's definitely company involved the company of you just dogs. Oh but boy you. I don't know how AM I. I put all these guys golden retriever and my pug my domination ever asked if you were a dog dog. I'm not a dog. Oh Oh and what animal am I am I a pig. No Am I Spider there's like an animal cash over over from Oliver and company and my Salem from Sabrina am I am I the CAP. Yeah from homeward bound. Am I more fiqh. Mis Cheshire cat. Am I right. Two minutes is up so I'm gonNA give you now. You get one clue okay. Vague clue and then you have to guess specifically who you are or who plays you. Because I don't don't we all know these characters names. Nobody knows these characters name. I think some people know all of these characters names. Let the buck you are in what many people people would say is the worst movie that came out last year. The famously worst movie right I think this gets you in the right direction. You're in a me me me terrible movie from last year and you are way overqualified to have been in this movie. Sure and you are a cat. There are many together for floor with Phil. Emma Taylor swift and camp no am am I your somebody somebody gets one more guests for three points. l'amour guests for three hundred. Most overqualified knows a lot of them. When you're not doing duty Dame Judy John like there's so many guests earlier you or cat we could've guest list was your DJ and your spirit you are Idris Elba McCafferty cavity? This is garbage. You are the amount. Yeah this all right the amount that dance excellent okay. So I'm a cat with cat friends and there's lots of cats in my movie and it was bad last year. They also when you said you were Beethoven. I said close because if felt like Beethoven's evolved in like theater live performance. Yeah but Beethoven the dog composer animal to these two. I'll be the one of the left. Yeah you sing the renovation song you sing nothing. No no no doing this to us. Rebecca he has to be someone else. I don't even know who this actor is. It's all people from cads ads. We're not doing rebecca me before. Certainly just she goes all the cards are characters from cats. I'm so sorry you were about to you were about to be about to you. Roam the listeners. What they want their patriotic? The people are knocking on the door of the. We want our country on the back. Casey News Oh who I've never even heard of Jason Derulo. Whoever you are never heard of Jason who all right? We're skipping your character car. 'CAUSE WE DO John I don't know that is either okay. We're at the end. It is Mickey is head by lot. We're GONNA MAKE THE DAD game worth eight points sick all or nothing This is guests. Who Movie Carl's days ascribing heavy getting reading my texts now say? FYI They're all characters from gats. Yes I am sorry. This game is Guess what movie called. Joe Never having heard okay move. Kyle's dad is described capping Washington. Yeah we're GONNA play the audio through their regret as well as you miss the song that we just played all right. Let it play out my dad's describing a movie trailer any movie ever describe movie trailer if you think you know. Write it down real quick. Oh wait I got write it down if you just whoever. Yeah some some to indicate that you know what it is this is like competitive running down the street and has a Black Guy while he tells elsa swept to choose are some wild camera angles the trailers introducing us to characters that kind of shot the dog off with a BB gun. I think a bunch of quick shots of breakfast and a mouse shake now. He's playing pool and hitting in the guy with a q they all have those accents some wild colors and Cisco were able gave two thumbs up. How the train? Polls away in their standing there and the guy says to choose live now he's talking about wait. What the fuck you gotta play that again? Okay intense music. He's running down. The street written has a black guy while he tells us what to choose. Are Some wild camera angles. The trailers introducing ask two characters. That guy shot the dog with a PB gun thank a bunch of quick shots of breakfast and shake AAC. He's playing commercial for Joe Parrot talk they all have those accents. Some wild colors collars is it. Is it the new two thousand reason now the train polls away. And they're standing there and the guy says to choose live choose life How recent is this? Is this trailer. Can you tell us of. It's younger than us. The movie is is has came out while we were alive And it's and it's could be any movie trailer where characters are being introduced and there's a breakfast and they have accents Okay but it's not a new movie now. I'll tell you the nineties movie and I'll tell you this much about it too. It feels like one of those movies vs. We're talking about where I couldn't quite pinpoint the description for feels like a personality defining movie. You might Kinda like it's in that world that we're talking talking about where it's like. Oh I saw this and it kind of is I could see this being people's first favorite movie who are our age pulp fiction. What about the trends reservoir dogs? Now you're just going off what I said more than the trailer description. I feel like they're eating breakfast. And they have accents and it's a movie in the nineties and it's like it's it's like is it snatch. Is it like I asked you a lit up on like the asking a Guy Ritchie question director director. I lump in with him. Oh interesting director. You Lump in with Guy Ritchie Kris. mcquade it I will put him if I was in the director. Now we're going down this crazy. I would put them in a more subtle artful Guy Ritchie pro. I this is again. This feels good disaster because of our lack of movie knowledge simultaneously. You need guests that have not seen. That's okay because stuff the people who are listening our guest into the longer we take the more they don't know if they're right and that's Kinda Fun you want the answer We don't WANNA put in like a final formal fucking guests. Yeah so so did he give us one more hen No breakfast acts black. I Art I'll tell you this I'll tell what kind of breakfast they're reading an English breakfast. Yeah I mean I gathered that already. They have those accents. It's like he's not talking about like Pat Duar Fuck man honor trainspotting train stand trainspotting Boil so wow wins undeservedly. So that's the hardest pool of the day. It hurt it hurt to pull and you know what what got me. The accents as soon as you said English English breakfast he was like Oh of course Sam thanks for coming in. Thanks for having never seen the Irish man. Thanks for having me tation. This is so fun every time I do this I I know that I should during a pocket so he goes no. That was my friend. I do like cow's pretty cool cow ribs. Hi added out everything except this same liberal. No if you WANNA know finding online and stuff like that me at family matters. Sa L. Y. matters on twitter and Instagram And also I live in New York. So if you live in New York come see me to stand up You can find me on social media just my first and last name like it's typed on this podcast m. e. k. I l. e. r. And and I have a I have a digital special out on comedy central called Control Room. Go Watch that and we're making more now so nice congrats. Thanks for being here guys. Nice thank you for listening. 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76: Week 7 in The Q: Monday, April 27th, 2020

The Morning Toast

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76: Week 7 in The Q: Monday, April 27th, 2020

"Good morning millennials. Welcome back to the morning chose happy Monday. I think we're going into week. Six or seven in the queue sick. I think it's week six weeks week. Six six I have to have to check now now. I'm curious what week it is. I was thinking about it last night. As I was falling asleep I was like what week are we entering of? Q Dum Okay. Why just to memory of last week saying week five six yet. We're going into week six. You know it sounds a lot shorter than it actually was. I'm sorry we're going into week seven. Sorry it's the twenty seventh not the twentieth this week. Seven feels like week seven. I mean once again. The RAMONA COASTER HAS WEIRD. Its ugly head. And I'm not sure how I'm feeling you know I'm feeling really like tired and be down there for. I'm Kinda glad I don't have to leave. My House. Sometimes like being forced to stay in his so fabu listened. Sometimes it's not so today. I'm not really mad about it but we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm too tired to care right now. You know so I'm not gonNA GONNA put up a fight today here. We are in the queue week six crazy times and we were just saying how it feels like the star time for our show gets earlier and earlier but like we used to do the show. We would be done by now but my schedule is so fucked up. I was up all night. I don't know how to get back on a normal schedule when my alarm rings for this show at ten fifteen ten thirty eight feels like the middle of the night. I'm going to the airport like going to the Bahamas. I it's crazy. How weird my clock is. Yeah the biological clock is. It's a strange thing I watch so much. Tv This weekend. I'm so excited about it. 'cause I watched some interesting things that I look forward to sharing with the class But other than that it was. Just you know another Loki Weekend. I to have a lot to share and if anybody thinks I'm acting badly on today's show it's because I watched an entire season of repulse drag race and now I talk like that and you know it's like when you hang out with your cameras you start like I'm the fishies drag Queen and Pawn it and you all are sickening. And you're jealous. I cannot Ben Thought I was being so crazy last night like I was just when you like. Listen there's so much there's so much like they have their own language but they really like are responsible for so many words like becoming popular like sickening snatch like fishy. Isn't there yet but it's just so interesting to see where it all comes from. Yes so you're I'm assuming you're enjoying it I am. I really have a lot of thoughts. And I'll I'll get I'll get into it at the end which is rtd recap segment. But we're not there yet. Okay cool well other allied. This weekend was watch TV. So I don't really have anything to talk about other than the TV. That I watched. I drank about ten white clause. I think over the course of Friday and Saturday. Maybe a little more. I drink a lot this weekend. Maybe that's why I'm feeling so blessed and like down to say in my bed like I literally do not get out of bed all day. Yesterday ben went to the grocery store and then he had the groceries delivered and this woman who delivered them was so funny like when she first got there she was decked out masks glove another mask glove and she was like a can come in the house like she was being very very strict which. I appreciate it. And then she liked totally forgot about all of her rules and she was like being so hit my house for another ten minutes talking about all the artwork She showed me pictures of her dog. It was Michelle. She was really sweet of. It's so nice and you to go grocery shopping. It's getting to that point where my fridge is bear so I'll have to brave the store but the stores always pop in now and now that the weather's nice everyone is like Oh. I think I'll go to the store until the line wraps around the block because people don't mind waiting outside anymore. You do have the advantage of not having to be Working quote unquote like at one o'clock on a Monday so I think he would probably have an easier time during the weekday than you would like yesterday going to the store bed went to the store on a Sunday. Which is like the bravest thing you could do? Everyone is just like their schedules are off. You know there's no good time but I'll have to make the time because I need some fresh ingredients better ingredients better pizza. Bagel way the shit out at every store the fact that managed to get my hands on three boxes during quarantine is a miracle because yesterday. Ben went nothing. You know what I got that. I haven't tried them into like like so many frozen. Many pizza things got T. Knows how they can be quite dangerous if you eat them to hastily. I know so. I haven't tried them yet. That's like a snack thing. Maybe I'll try today and then I also got an alias Pizza because Ilias pizzas pretty bomb. Oh Yeah that's like Standard Textbook. Everyone tries Chino make mouse trap but when it comes down to it is good enough. I actually I have a few frozen pizzas in my freezer and I haven't had a frozen pizza since week. Two of the queue week seven like I think it's time it's so funny how my palate has changed like when this first started. I wanted like hearty meals like ground. Beef ground Turkey steak chicken now. It's like I cannot stand standing in my kitchen for like an hour making me like the fastest thing possible. Yeah I use it. Enjoy like the hour. It took to cook But now I don't know I'm just eating to live. I'm like what's going to make me the fullest longest so I don't have to make the trip to the kitchen again totally like I hate my kitchen. Alec I hate everything I want brand new utensils like my pots are so ugly and smelly like I just. I can't and I'm actually busy late today. We have landed a pretty steamed high profile interview today for Tomorrow's episode. And it's like I can't be running back and forth through the kitchen when Francesca from two out to handle is waiting for me on my zoom. Yeah I'm really busy today. The weekdays are just are really busy for me. I have another virtual one on one session with the live method which I'm excited about And I'm doing my sheets today but I tried to make my bed. Look normal behind me but my sheets are nausea so when you went into changing the sheets day changing of the guard. You know it's GonNa be a busy cleaning day because when in Rome. It's a huge day. Like in my house. I wash my sheets literature. Knock Kevin to bed till ten pm because I was so busy so I have one of those days ahead of me and even I'm not looking forward to all the work. I'm looking forward to the way I'm GonNa feel when it's all said and done because I will feel accomplished. Unlike how I'm feeling right now. I actually have a few days while I'm working in one of my secret projects you know a few in the air and I just just so juggling them that it's just sometimes I forgot and then we have this breakfast cannery which I'm actually intimidated to be talking to someone like so beautiful. No same and like we have to figure out like our zoom interview techniques. Because it's going to be. Yeah I have a feeling. It's just going to have to be like very question. Answer Question Answer. Yeah Yeah okay well. We'll cross that bridge when we got there we actually. There is good news today. You guys like shits pop in celebrities are tired of being irrelevant and they're making statements and they're doing things and they're getting pregnant so I think it's time it's not time because I have one thing to say. When I sat down for my second lunch yesterday I was just perusing instagram. Jeffrey Star was like. I'm going live on Chris. Janssens Youtube page on. He's a journalist and like we're discussing something very serious and I tuned in and literally never been so confused in my whole life on what I gathered. Is that like one of the musicians back in the day when Jeffrey was on my space and then he got signed by economy was doing like music tours. One of the musicians that he ended up going on tour with as one of his opening acts is like a sexual abuser or something of underage girls and like Jeffrey is like the. There's so many conspiracy theories saying like Jeffrey was bulge every new Jeffrey sauce like he went on Youtube to like clear his name. It was just like I've never seen jeopardy like so defensive and like in that kind of like he doesn't even have to do that interview. He lives in his mansion like nobody bothers him I thought it was like admirable that he did it. And this Christianson apparently like a legendary American journalists who I had never heard of his time like investigating this case into Dhabi something. I don't know I I need to. I need someone to explain it to me because it's so strange like this whole thing. I didn't even hear about it and in looking for stories I also didn't hear about it. It's very niche. Yeah it seems that way. Well if you get the tea if you get the facts let us now. I don't think anyone knows the facts. Which is why it's so. Okay okay. How's the time? Yeah Yeah Ok. Each time for the fast I sorry is unique in the backseat of the taxi. And hopefully not hopefully at home in the bed and the Before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast how and that's true jockey and I know you're you're feeling buzzed. You're excited but you to total buzzkill on your home owed spam calls. They totally made your space are super annoying and the last thing you want to deal with. We've teamed up with robot killer to give you guys a solution to the growing SPAM COP PROBLEM. 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That's are be O- killer dot com on your mobile device now to get download. The APP and new users can get robot killer free for seven days. Now get out there and stop those spammers again. That's where killer dot com love. It honestly like Sam Calls Really do rain on your parade. Like the ain't nobody got time for that. No one it's like I always think like I'm so fabulous like in New York City numbers calling me. That wants to put me on the cover of Vogue. No some girl like your car insurance when I'm a garbage rubbish only even have a license. Okay First Story. The craziest news. I've in the Queue Kristin Cavallari Jay Cutler are getting divorced. After ten years together last night out of what feels like nowhere. Both Kristen Nj Tins Ram posting in Q. Photos of themselves with the exact same statement. They said with great sadness. After ten years together we have come to a loving conclusion to get a divorce. We have nothing but love and respect for one out. There are deeply grateful for the year. Shared Memories made the children. We are so proud of this is just a situation of people growing apart. We ask everyone to respect our privacy as navigate this typical time within our family. I have so my thoughts like three thoughts ready One you were just in the Mohammed together for over a month like was that what caused you to get divorced like it just seems weird timing to this is just like so crazy because it really like shows you how for the most part like reality. Tv is so shady like in such bullshit. Like you watch your show. I actually just was watching an episode where he dropped his phone in the river. That around this camping trip and yet they're definitely different but it seemed to be working and then the third is. I would love to know logistically. How you get divers divorce during quarantine. Yeah we'll they're like what we're talking about but here's some here's some things that people magazine who had exclusive statement as saying sources saying so. I'm GonNa go and say that it's true that they're split had absolutely nothing to do with any cheating rumors. I hadn't heard any recent cheating rumors but I feel like there's always cheating rumors with celebrities also on their recent trip. They already knew they were splitting up. So here's what I'm thinking like. I feel like they're really good friends and I also feel like they're it's always been sort of like touch and go in their relationship like are they. Going to stay together are they. Not but I thought that they just made the decision that they were going to so and then moved on with their lives. That's why this is really like coming out of left field now when it seems like they're happier than ever you know like if you watch the show they they have this life for themselves and even if they're not like the perfect match it seemed like they were happy with the life that they had together and that's what they were going to fight to keep yet like. If there was ever a time for them to have gotten divorced it would have been like season one when they looked like they had so many problems but Jay was just not into being on TV. And like Chris wanted it so bad like that's when I wouldn't have been surprised but now it's like it's all settled like why now why sperm. Yeah it's it's interesting but I feel like they actually are good friends and they went on that trip. They probably knew. They were separating But they're able to just like remained good friends. I'm honestly it's bitter sweet but I'm curious to see both of them mostly Christian single. Yeah like taking the dating world by storm. I'm also very curious about the financials of it. All because Y- She's a star but I think he's more the breadwinner and it just bought this sickening six million dollar house and by their all their houses that they've they've moved so many times. I only know this because people are always wanting to see what their houses look like and somehow their listings always end up in the toaster space but they always end up moving out of mistaken house into like more sickening house. Yes so right now. They're living in the most sickening house. Their last super steakhouse has been on the market for a while. And it's still not sold people were saying maybe like J. will move into that house. 'cause they're not far from each other which is a really nice eight yes. I think the way that the money works at least the way they show it on the show. It's like Jay was the breadwinner And he has made a lot of money but he doesn't make any anymore like he doesn't work. He just like sits around and watches the goats on his camera and like stews. But Kristen is like a Barry Mitchell working. Modern woman and I think our company's doing really well and the show and everything so like she's doing really well right now. I think they're both fine. I don't think money is really going to be a problem. Yeah but like she's working with the show and the driller line but that pales in comparison to Jay Cutler like what he made in just like a year. Yeah but that was it like. It's been a few years since he played. It's like you know that you live off of that money. It's like on the one hand. Yeah I agree. Like what does he have thirty something million dollar contract? And like what is she? You know. She's it's not the same but that money flies. It does but it's my understanding that his football money was like forever money. He played for a while. Yeah we I'm just going to look it up but a year earlier houses in Nashville Nashville. Okay he signed one hundred. Twenty six point seven million dollar seven year contract that included a fifty four million dollar guarantee so. I guess they'll be all right. Yeah no and I'm just curious like an a ray. What'S THE PRE NUP? But I'm sure they have on because she was like she was working before. And Yeah and you know what? He's going to be amicable. I think it's Gonna I'd be like I just think that they are really good friends. Maybe this is going to be a good thing. Maybe you know she'll end up needing the money and she'll join the hills reunion of no but like why would you join some sad show when you have your own show now? Here's a question for you as a very cavalieri Stan Do you think the show will be as good without j? Yes because the show is not Abou- J. He just became like this bonus But I think we'll be missing something but I could also see Jay still being on the show like if he is living down the street and he's just like her friendly ex husband. Which is the VIBE that I'm getting but I'm sure everybody starts off as a friendly axe until it turns Then I think we could. I think there's a possibility where they really remained friends in. He still hard of a show but if he's not it's fine the show will take on more of like banner. Pump rules like the drama in the store. Which is already what it is but getting a taste of her home lights was really a treat and now let's play our favourite Gabe. Who should they date? Who Do you see? Kristen Cavalieri shacking up with Nashville. I have no idea. Maybe a musician maybe a businessman Bo because I feel like now as a business woman. She understands like that businessman. Bo Life. Maybe that's the life for her yet and you know in Nashville. I don't really see her hooking up with the musician because for the most part like the big successful older ones are all married. That's whatever international. Does like to get married and have a million kids and the younger ones like twenty one years old so. I don't think that's necessarily the palm that you should be taken a swim in. I don't know there's so many I feel like we're just like thinking of the ones that are married but Brett eldredge. Oh my God Kristen capillary Brett Jr done. His new music is chefs kissed fantastic. I don't even know if she likes country music though Phil sociation So Jay went to vanderbilt and for a while they were living in Chicago but they met in Nashville and when Jay was playing for Miami I think national me a lot more sense for them to live there. I thought it and I think she really likes. It was as she was struggling. She was having a hard making friends each meet. A friend in her friend turned on her and she was using her the show. And it's just not nice. But then justin deep hugh moved to town with scoot and now they have like this fabulous foursome. That's just been torn to bits. Does the true victims here teepee. Oh yeah this is a sad story but you know what I hope it amicable as I imagined it to be and how they're saying it is a sad story but these aren't sad people no no no like there's plenty of life for them after this relationship like I'm not worried about either one of them becoming like a shut in I just it sad family. You know it maybe. It's you know the child of divorce in May but these children you know it's sad. It's sad it's sad but I think we gonNA be alright. Do Do do do do to do. We're going to be a harasser to to to do. Yep that's how I feel okay. Next up a little more celebrity couples news will give you the good with the bad. Chris Patten Katherine Schwarzenegger are Expecting Their First Child to get their ten months after getting married. Chris. Pratt and Katherine Schwarzenegger. Pratt are gearing up for the next chapter in their lives. The couple who went on June eighth across year during an intimate ceremony in Montecito California are expecting their first bed together. Multiple sources confirmed to people. The BET is on the way the the baby on the way will be the gift of forgiveness is authors first child while Pratt forty is already a dad to seven a half year old son Jack while seven and a half is article is so specific whom the actor shares ex wife and Farris. You know this is actually a similar situation. It's like when they got divorced. It was like so amicable so amicable amick ball. And even now. It's like fine. Allegedly out of Farris has to hate Catherine towards nager. She has to earl. She's not humid. Yeah I don't think it's the same situation because there were. There's something about like Chris. Pratt and affairs at the time where they were just like you know. The pinnacle like love and Quirky Celeb- relationships and we love him and we love her and Blah Blah. And they're so in love whereas with Jane Kristin Cavallari was the. I've just always gotten like a really good friendship and respect vibe and like oh I going to. We're going to start a family but like every day we wake up and decide that that's what we WANNA do. You know you're not just like we fell into it and we can't get up but I'm saying the similarity is like it so amicable when they divorced and even like after he started saying how she went catherine she went online. Happens live and she was not well. So that's what I'm saying like. I feel like maybe not now but in a few years like we will see like some sort of resentment like crack between Chris Cavallero Jay Cutler. And I refuse to believe that like everything is so perfect with Chris Pratt and his first and second wives. So you never hear but I think no. I never thought things perfect with Chris. Pratt manifest but I actually do think they're perk as perfect as one can be with Katherine Schwarzenegger like these two are just. They are like a vacuum yet is anniversary boyfriend. Not a famous one. Yeah it's just it's sucks like when the person that you were married to like a moves on so fast and like when you're in the public eye like becomes like this sweetheart like literally like the face of like Jesus Christ Christian like everything they do is perfect. She writes a book about forgiveness in Near Times. I sell it like everything is so fucking perfect and like waspy. Like how can Anna Perez? Not Despise Kevin Schwarzenegger which is a lonely thing. And I think she doesn't. I'm not saying this is happy news time Hannah speaking of interesting first and second wives watching La can't stories like a week ago and she was laying in bed with amber While US ex-wife they were like hysterically laughing about something and I just thought it was so weird like do you remember a year ago. Where so the the MOM Reynolds First Wife you? You didn't explain that you said Lalas First Wife. Oh sorry. Reynolds I is first. Wife was lying in bed with law. Like a gear. They had all this trauma where on so very publicly Louis. Mother of rentals kids like begging law out of stop posting them on instagram posting them on Instagram. Like it was very tumultuous. Now they're laying in bed laughing. Okay love to see it. Things can change the show interesting. I didn't even see that they. I thought it might have been Randall's daughter because like she looked so young and they were like laughing and then she turned her head. On my on my. That's the mom that's wild and yeah it doesn't surprise me. How could you not eventually come to love all men and you know when you're in La can't position like I'm sure really? All you want is for the woman to like you. Yeah like like the first doesn't have to like the second life but it's nice for the second wife to be liked by the first wife of course especially when there's kids involved that adds a whole other layer. Yeah otherwise it's like by literally never see you again. I live right okay. Ready for our next story. Some exciting news. Sure mutating state news. Because it's clear that Kylie Jenner has been watching the toast and realized that her home was not suitable for billionaire. Because you just dropped thirty. Six Point. Five million dollars on a new house and it's sickening. Kylie Jenner might be in quarantine right now but she still has time to expend her property portfolio the kite cosmetics founder has reportedly just purchased a brand new home in Home Be Hills. California the property custody six point five million dollars and according to people. The massive compound boasts seven bedrooms. Fourteen bathrooms is even has twenty parking spaces for Kylie's several luxury cars. I mean this is weird for two reasons one because we were just talking about how Kylie's like home is so humble. I love that about her. She's just a regular girl but it's clear that she's not maybe she heard us and she did not want to be referred to as the regular girl and the second thing. That's so weird is that this isn't Homey hills. It's like thirty minutes away from Calabasas. It's like in the center of Los Angeles Really. I was like I didn't really do like Google map search because I just wanted to assume it was like down the road from her old house. Well as you being loss is in hidden hills like now. Yeah I was just like Oh. She's in the hills. This yes no so I mean. It's not clear whether or not this is like an investment property. Or She's going to live there. I have to assume that she's GonNa live there. Also the developer and owner of the house slash land is the same person who highly bought a house slash property from in Palm Springs. So it's obvious that Kylie like a fan of his work interesting also. This is just mice. Detective Work Kylie's posting photos just like around her house in the queue. And I'm pretty sure that some of the photos are taking this new house because we look if you look behind her. There's like an outdoor. Tv fireplace situation. Obviously a lot of places have that but it looks identical to the outdoor. Tv fireplace in the photos that the realtor posted yet. And I guess I saw her post a photo of her. Kris Jenner. Got Her that Dream House stormy but I guess that could be anywhere. They could move it no. I don't think she's living there yet but like she might be going back and forth. It might be fun to have two houses in the queue. So like when you're quarantine one week here one week. They're like switching it up for the kids. I mean that's just so nice like I I love Kylie and I'm not in any way shading her like if I thought she was being humble. That's now she wants to not be humble. And I think that's fabulous to yet. No honestly it was. It's not even about being humble like it was just time. We happened to notice at the peak of her billionaire status and also just walking around the show and we were just saying like she she has a kitchen and if you're in a living room and upstairs like she has a house and she obviously realized that too so. I think this house is sweet. Really there or it's going to be like no. I think she's going to live there. It looks like a home. It doesn't look like a flip. It like districts sort of property. It looks like a house but also apparently she got a really good price for it because it was on the market for forty five million dollars so a Christian a real estate broker she. She got a ten million dollar discount. I mean it's probably a good time to buy right now. Interest rates are low. Yeah and maybe because she knew this developer from palm springs like they gave her a two for one deal. Maybe yeah maybe I don't auto it works with fifty million dollar homes but you never know this so fabulous though it was the Boga. Yeah I went to see the content the outdoor. I can't wait to start living it up in the second bedroom. I'm just I'm excited for over on. This sounds so exciting and then I get content so I can only be pleased without. Yeah this is exciting all around. I hope just Kylie. The youtuber comes out to play and like gives us a house door. I mean that will never happen but we'll probably get an architectural digest spread in like a year. Yeah even if it's not a house for even if it's like a three rooms in house tour or even if it's literally just I now shutting in the new house you know what I honestly loved. The decor of her old house. Remember her dining room table with the hombre chairs and all the butterfly pictures like sickening. I'm excited to see what she does with this new house but I feel like her old house was so homey and I feel that sometimes happens to celebrities where they're living in a house where there are so comfortable and then they obviously get too big for their riches and they need to get a bigger house and they moved to bigger house and it's just like not homey they don't feel like their home and I think like as much as she's probably out of all the sisters like the least reliant on the sister actually invest so much in her friendship. She hangs out with her friends more than Chinks with her sisters. I do think living thirty minutes. Away's like knock going to be good. I think she'll realize quick on that she wants to go home. I'm sure she saw about it though or are you sure it's thirty minutes with traffic or without. I mean there's so much traffic in. La That's what TMC said thirty minutes close to the center of La which also makes me think like maybe carly is going to be going out more like maybe they didn't want to go to clubs every day when they take a ninety minute drive home to Calabasas not distance from Beverly Hills distance from home. Be Google at the new place to be okay. I'm twenty nine minutes right. No you're right. It sounds like not a lot but there. Are you still living in the same gated community like it's a lot? Yeah except you know who doesn't candle where it is Kendall. If she used to not but she bought a house I think she finally returned to the manner interesting. Okay so you know what maybe no. I don't think it's an investment property. 'cause look at her picture she's like citing around on the bed. It was probably like during one of the house where she was probably like walking around with a contractor or something but she was like stop and take some pictures of me and it. Looks Nice. You know what's so crazy though? Is that the house is probably staged. That's not real furniture like eight stage. It's literally so sickeningly designs like I would take that furniture. I would buy that furniture that house furnished in a second. It's not gonNA keep one fucking thing I know We would buy it in a second. 'cause we're lazy and we like weirdly. Don't know how to design a house but this is Kylie specialty. You know the whole family is so good at it. You have to wait a whole year before you can move in. Will she has her old play like she'll she'll be in out. Yeah this is good for stormy. Yeah no it's it's exciting period but this next story is really funny and I'm ready to get to it are you. Is it the one brought to you by daily burden? Obviously the gyms are closed right. But you want to stay active and get fit sign up for daily burn at Daily. Burn DOT COM and give out homework out to try for thirty days. It's totally free. 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They have a like a yoga class. That looks so good so I love to do like something. That's strength training and then low key and then two hours later and I'm like Oh my God it's time for dinner. Get anything to fill up the time between your first and second dinner exactly okay next story celebs are being hounded to drop in zoom. Happy hour his first. He was the autographs that it was a Selfie. Now page six is told that the ultimate fan trophy is getting celebrities to drop in zoom happy hours industry. Insiders say that stars are being inundated with requests from quarantined admirers. Who want them to surprise their friends? And we're told some stars have agreed to make a quick appearance for example. We're told Shaquille O'Neal David Spade have both been hounded to make digital drop INS. I've seen so many people but in fact it's become such a trend that industrious insiders have been considering setting up a service like cameo where stars are paid to send video messages for wrangling. Celebs resume calls. Yes I've heard that too that there's now an economy of companies whose job it is to create digital platforms like zoom digital meet and greets because that's the world we're going to live in for a little while actually think it's really smart. I think people would want that outside of but quarantine also yet and I think like maybe a happy hours where we started. But I think we can be thinking bigger about how we could like be virtually communicating with our favorite celebs one on one or like. Awad on one. But I thought this was just really funny because celebrities like we're just dropping into people's zoom calls But I don't understand how they got their people. Dm THEM ON INSTAGRAM. Like hey during our zoom. Here's the meeting. Id He's here's a password. Yeah I get a lot of those two on. I'm not like zoom like I can't get on my computer in time by the time I seen them. They're over we'll so I am? I have joined a few and I just my personality really doesn't come through zoom and then I feel weird. I'm like wearing no makeup literally. Nobody knows way. I'M GONNA take somebody ten minutes to realize that I'm there and after that embarrassment. I think I'm done. Yeah I don't know maybe if I was like in zoom mode you know when I was like zoom in a lot. I could go now if I was you me over when I'm just like in my bed and I see like someone sends me something. It's just I feel like I'd be like crushing Marty. I guess that's the time. Yeah but then you know I was going to say something mean. I want sweet okay. Are you ready for battle story? Because it's fucking hilarious course. Connie bickers with Forbes via text over Billionaire Status Forbes magazine has finally confirmed Connie's billionaire Scotus but according to the musician they still shorted him on his actual net worth editors at money magazine claimed. West took issue with his published. One point three billion dollar estimate texting staffers that apparently Forbes doesn't know how to count that his net worth is actually closer to three point. Three billion dollars okay. I don't really care if it's one point three or three point three like the that kind of billionaire when just a few years ago he was like drowning in debt is really admirable but it's also really sad that like he became a billionaire before. Kim Who literally cannot stop working. Yeah that's true. I can't believe he's a billionaire and I actually. I believe him not. It's three point three. Why would he go out of his way? He's been saying for a while but he like I feel just Forbes is just behind in counting people's money like there there just behind well net worth isn't necessarily how much money you have in the bank so there is a formula. Not How much money you happen to me? I know so it's like there's a formula to adding up all the value of your company's your properties. Like everything you own. All your investments liabilities So I feel like nobody even really knows even the person like I feel like he wouldn't even know what Israel net worth is is a big. Us term. Yes it is but I feel like he knows what he has going on like present day and what it's worth and Forbes like especially because a lot of the things that he does. You'll probably don't think it's going to be like worth this much. But I guess it's subject to people's opinions of what you think something is valued at but even more than said what would you value Sunday service at look. It's a company like you can't like eight thousand insane value but the the but I think to Forbes that's not a tangible item they probably wouldn't put evaluation on it because they don't generate that much money. Yeah look they have some merchant. They've done a few shows like that's not really in terms of Forbes's like binary way of thinking that's not a viable business but also like Connie's doing stuff with like planned community something that we have people haven't seen a lot of but he's been talking about it for a while so I'm sure he knows what that's going to be in what that's going to be worth whereas like a writer at Forbes doesn't Yeah I mean I'm just happy. He's a billionaire. I hate it when county was poor was so sad for Kim. Yeah I'm real like he's doing really well and he's being hilarious about it and Forbes's know how to count for he was also recently on the cover of GPO many tractor. That looks like something like from P we. Herman and he looks you in Wyoming. Oh yeah that was the one where he's wearing. Tank tank yeah. He's in attain a mini. I don't even know what it was. It was like you know those cars we used to have when we were kids. That were like real versions but like many of railcars. It's like that for like a tractor. The Dan vehicle that he was riding in that video for Chick-fil-a all the mountain. Yeah I think so is a mountain motor like tank the tank. Okay a tank yet. He was in a tank. Okay that was what the headline was. Oh you're not remembering. We had this conversation where I was like. The headline was kind enough to take on the cover of GT. That's a tank top. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah I wouldn't. I wouldn't consider that tank I would consider it more attractor okay. I don't know I don't know we're not car people on earthquake are you ready for our TV. Recap I have someone to talk about? Is it the TV week up? Segment is brought to you by story worth. Yeah Oh it is okay. 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A story that I did not know about and I was saying on my instagram story. Like this show is like really crazy. I'm not going to spoil the end but you should watch it and people were like it's a true story you can't spoil it and it was like even though it's a true story. I didn't know the ending and I enjoyed watching it so much more because I didn't know the ending and I was truly in shock so no. I'm not going to tell you how it ends if you don't already know because that is considered a spoiler. Thank you for proving my point about the time we were in. Utah and Olivia spoiled. The Jimmy Hoffa Irishman thing for me and she was like it's history. Now nobody never fucking Jimmy Hoffa. Yeah I mean maybe it's on me that I've never heard of what happened at Waco. I don't know where I would have heard it except like I literally was a history major and I studied American history in it never came up once and that's that's on the education system. Yeah on the first time. The first time I heard what happened in Waco and and part of the story from a book I read last week and the one. I was talking about educated about the Mormons in were like they were super religious in Idaho and like a couple of the things that I saw about initia- where spoken about in the book. But other than that. Never heard of it yeah. I weirdly have only known about the incident from Waco. Because I'm like such an investor in chip and Joanna Gaines. It's like whole career and a lot of the talk about why they're so successful and considered so major in Waco Texas is because they took the name Waco back for the last Twenty Years People Have Associated Waco with major tragedy of the cult or whatever. And that's like when you think of Waco you think of that it's similar to how when you think of like whatever another place like you associate tragic thing if it's not a well-known place like Waco and now when people will think of Waco they think of like the great property values and chip and Joanna and the silos and all the great stuff they do. So that's why. I knew about the Waco incident and like it's weird because I don't know anything but I didn't know about that and I never saw the show but it's fucking horrible story. It's a fucking horrible story. People should watch. The show was really well done. Obviously you know any bit of historic recollection and has its by says but I think I think they did a really good job. I think it's such an. It's an important horrible story. One that I had never heard and I'm glad that I watched it. I thought all the actors did a a really good job. It was just so crazy I still can't. I can't stop talking about it. I'm like trying to get everyone to watch it because I'm in shock. Will we stand Tim Riggins? And we support him in all of his acting endeavors and it really makes you question the term cult in general like I actually I was reading some stuff about Waco afterwards and I found some really pertinent quotes about cults. I mean I don't know if this is the time or place but it's just like the term calls is really like a judgment term. I mean look at US right anyways. Highly highly highly recommended. It felt good to watch something smart and true because like I was learning something as opposed to yesterday when I spent the entire day watching descendants one descended to descendants three and then zombies one and zombies to fabulous honestly. It was really fabulous. I had never seen zombies Duo before but it's really good. It's the same plot as descendants but it is a good film. I actually did something different because you know I like you. I will watch if I've seen descendancy I'll watch it everyday like I never like watching new stuff because I just. I can't take it on but I've been meaning to get into repulse drag race like the fact that I'm not a part of it like and I like to call myself ally the gay community like honestly it's just homophobic that. I don't watch it so I decided to watch it and Kyle who is fabulous toaster on? He kind of gave me like around down on what seasons. I need to watch because part of the reason why I never watched it. It's like there's so much content and like it's intimidating and like I don't know so he told me this that I its watch and I watched all of season five yesterday. And it's really like such a fabulous show and it's really interesting to see like this season Arabic awhile ago. Now like Nicki Menaj. Everyone comes on as guests but they could not get a guest if they try back in the day like literally the most famous person Camille grammer. They loved her. They totally love and respect housewives and they like having so many references like one of the guys was deciding whether or not to go as Katy Perry for the snatch game or as Cameron West Scott like they really appreciate the housewives. So that's why I loved it and I just feel like it really shows how drag is such an art like the entire show. I could not figure out who was who because they transform themselves so much and then you get to know their characters Alaska with any checks off make up an I literally couldn't recognize him like it's so confusing and there's like fifteen contestants but there's really thirty because they both look they all look two different ways so I had a really hard time in the beginning figuring out who was who but then they weed out the nobody's and it's really all about like like four or five people and so with this is a big season like spoiler alert jinx monsoon one and. I felt like it was a really interesting choice. It was very very talented group of people but then it's like when they whittled down to the bottom three look. I didn't think any of them should win. And I wasn't sure if it was like did someone get left behind because the thing is and that's what I learned. It's like in order to be America's next drag superstar like you have to have it all you have to have the Glamour. Obviously but then you have to have like the acting chops the singing chops the lip synching chops the performing chops and the comedy chops. Like comedy is such a part of drag and there's pageant girls in drag Queen who has done the pageant circuit and they're like not that funny but beautiful and then there's like the club girls who are like their drag is kinda messy but they're like so funny and personal and I felt like of the three girls at it ended up with Alexa Alaska Roxy Edwards no Roxie Andrews and jinx monsoon like. I didn't think any of them really had. Every single factor and James Monsoon was the one who had most of it but her glam was awful like every time she was on the run rate. She looked like beetlejuice with her striped tights. Like she was just not bringing the level that I needed her to bring and she was also like bullied the whole time and she was like really very much like she was. She was a narcolepsy. Dick Jewish drag Queens so. She was falling asleep workroom all the time and when she said she was the narcolepsy. Jewish strategy and like it made me like her from the beginning. But I'm glad was just like her whole shtick. Is that she is a drag queen in the seventies so everything she does is like seventies so like they had a whole thing it was like sweet sixteen in all the girls dressed like slutty. Sixteen year olds with Percy's and flip phones. It was Jason soon comes out and like long lace dress like she just. Her glam was so bad but she should have won. Because like it could have given it to roxy. She was bullying jinxed the whole time. And it's like the thing about the show is like it's so funny and it's like so camp but it's also berry ernest like they really open up about the struggles of the LGBTQ COMMUNITY. So you're laughing and crying and it's such an important show for so many people and they couldn't give it to like the bitchy drag queen. She was really bullying everyone. It teeters on like being like a culturally important and like sad show and also being like the most important fabulous show ever it. Just it really tickles. All the senses. And it's really really good. I'm GonNa Watch a whole other season today because it's important as Bruce says to know your history and after about I think she's in two and then all stars. It was just really good and by the way the graphics. It's such a weird thing to say but I watched so many reality shows and I compare it most a project runway. There's a challenge every week. And then there's a runway but the challenges are so much more well thought out and they're really tests like if you can have it all in order to be a drag queen like you have to be you have to be everything you won't be a triple that you'll be like a five times like dance. Sin Lip Sync Comedy Glamour. Yeah got it I did. I really feel like Roxy Edwards. She wasn't in Roxie Andrews. If she wasn't such a bitch she could have won. Because they couldn't make America's next drag superstar a bully and she was a bully. Sometimes feel that excited for you. Now you have so much content to watch I know and then was like shakily like anterior came. And he's like Oh that's so funny. I started another show last night. I don't know if you've ever watched it virgin river on net flicks. Have you heard of it? It's one long heart hallmark movie. But it's a series and it's like a little bit more like not risky but like just you know there's some shit happening It's good. It was like boring and slow. But that's what I was in the mood for. A lot of people said it was really good snitch and watch it. It's based on a book and I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it your. I wonder what's going to be next to me. I still much money high season for because I'm saving that like for the most day of my life But I don't know after Waco just opened the APP to all these possibilities was waco on that flex yes. I just love a historical limited series. It's like I'm not trying to go seasons with this but six episodes Scher and if it's historic like you know they have to end at some time because like history stopped you know yes anything like then you can like shit up you can look all the characters and see where they landed so it was. It was really interesting. I haven't watched them in good like that in a while. That was the hardest part about watching drag race so late. It's like I wanted to look up the girls. I can see their Glam on instagram. But I knew if I did I might spoil it so I couldn't and then like I was up till three in the morning like on people's instagram's because I wanted to see finally and then it's like when jinx monsoon one and the listener instagram. Like it really made me question. Her her instruments really sad and bad and like her blurry self shit. That's not the face of repulsed drag race. I'm sorry also what's crazy so I watched Zombie starring meal O. Mannheim you know him. He won dancing with the stars and his mom was in Waco so it just really comes full circle. His mom is like friends with the Kardashians. And that's how they were all tweeting for him to vote for vote for him on dancing with the stars like that's how he got the Kardashian support so so like the other week. Snitch sent me a photo of meal. Oh and his mom because I guess he took her as his date to something and she was like. Oh my God. That's his mom and I was like. Who are these people? I don't know him. I don't know her than yesterday. She was like I said that's meal Islam. I was like still who is she then. I will talk posting weed. I know this woman. How do I know her like I was just with her? I look sure up. She was in Waco is Melissa. Benoist in Waco. Yes yeah I thought so. She's such a really good job. She does a really good job. It's a they do. I wonder if anyone in two thousand eighteen so I wonder if anything from the show was nominated for any award I do Tim. Riggins should have been nominated. He played a very convincing David crash. Is it a Netflix original unclear? I've been really. I've been saying like everything I've been wanting to watch on Hulu. All of the Rupaul seasons are on Hulu and I just fucking hate it like any time. I get up to go at attack. Takes me back to the pilot I know set at a million times. I'm hoping someone on the IT team at Hulu. We'll fucking here me and my connection error every like any problems with anybody other acts and who connects error count can who loses like has in Asia. I know but they really have the best slate of content in my opinion right now. Speaking of I need to finish little fires everywhere. But it's I don't WanNa finish it because then it's over really I'm probably if we're not going to recap it like I'm probably not going to finish it. The last two episodes were so bad and I would have let go earlier if it weren't for us. Recapping it on the shelf. It was really disappointing. And honestly I don't WanNa keep supporting it and I want them to think that they did a good job. Well the problem is is that it's because the book was bad. That's what I'm saying. They did a. They made it better than the book but the book was not enjoyable. I gave it a two point five on their heads. Sorry Yeah Yeah Low. Yeah that's low and so it's like why would you make a two point five and two a show I can give you a bunch of fives totally That's all I watched pretty much really just drank the rest of the weekend. So I'm GonNa Watch some more Rupaul this weekend and then I'm going to join the Rupaul toaster group. I just didn't WanNA joining at because anyone spoilers hundred percent that sounds I love that journey for you truly like. I'm very excited that you have this new direction and purpose. Like you're you're the new directions. Yeah and then. I've really been thinking of ways that can incorporate a lot of like the the fishy vibes from drag into my stand up because it's just going to become a part of me feeling like I think I'm actually going to become a drag win love to see it and I I pretty much wears much made up as some girl so fine. Levitt Doorbell just rang. I wonder WHO's here anyways. I got it yet. Thank you so much for listening to the morning to some of the money. 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#144: My Milkshake Brings All the Cash To My Card

The Brooklyn Boys Podcast

1:15:17 hr | Last month

#144: My Milkshake Brings All the Cash To My Card

"Zai-qing what's going on I know it's been a while since you may have been out of the house living life like you used to. But you know what? There is the open road that still is out there and you should probably reintroduce yourself to it in a Mazda I was lucky enough to drive around in nine the last couple of months and I have to say the C. UV lineup by Mazda is pretty wonderful. These vehicles are masterfully crafted. They have elevated design that's reflected in every detail from the controller knobs to the steering wheel. It's all there. So if you want more information on the MAZDAS UV lineup including the first ever see it's thirty GOTO MAZDA USA dot com slash iheart, and don't forget to explore their strongest finance options. Katie's crib is presented by t mobile America's largest five G. Network. Hi Guys. Katie. Lowes. You might know me as Quinn Perkins from scandal or the MOM UC sobbing in her car in the parking lot on my podcast Katie's crib we are getting real and raw about what it's like to be a parent from fertility to postpartum life we are covering all no judgment no hold far indicate he's grip on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Dot Up. Out of Brooklyn. Startup. Brooklyn. They make it noise. Out of. Episode One forty four, this is the Brooklyn Boys podcast. Yeah it's not bald talk against the Brooklyn Boys podcast what in the actual fuck. What is happening around here? We're if you. Think. Four thousand people of our listeners heard something that they shouldn't heard it before I hit the delete button on it. So we want apologize so I think was it over the weekend? Yes. Monday. No. We woke up to Saturday morning I. Woke Up to this Saturday morning bullshit somebody tweeted somebody tweeted at us and said hey guys. There's a podcast. On Your podcast feed on the Brooklyn Boys podcasts. Doesn't belong I'm like what? So they sent a screen shot and it was a podcast called. I'm just GonNa just one time I mentioning at talk because it. Doesn't matter it not about old friend. Bald Freak Ronnie Dump. It happens to be starring one of the guys in this podcast I like a lot. You may not remember him from. He's one of the sonic commercials where he's in the car with his by the way can you start off any story with you might remember him from? Memorable. Well he was also, it was a show on. From not an atlas celebrity. Yeah. Okay. There was a it was a Improv show radio something that I loved on vh one that he was on. Anyway he's an Improv comedian he and his buddy you're bald. Promoted anymore. But look what was. Talking, Call Your Daddy podcast. Listen. People woke up on Saturday morning and on another another episode of. which is. This thing. For people to do by the way right. So the person who tweeted said, this is all my spotify. So I was like, okay. Let me check iheartradio radio, right it's there. So then I checked the back end, our upload page no, it was oh it's actually in our upload page. So somebody with the keys, our upload page corporate the corporate monkeys had access to our page when in and uploaded this what amounts to be a three minute. Commercial Promo. For this other podcast I last I heard. Pros for other podcasts happen in between commercial breaks. When we say we'll be back after this. That's the beginning all at the beginning. The end of Warez or after. Or the end or on our radio stations IHEART radio stations but never zillion years did I think somebody would hijack the Brooklyn boys feed and publish what looks to be at first like a Brooklyn boys episode because it says published by the Brooklyn Boys and it's a picture of two guys and if you likely doesn't look like the thing is like, oh, maybe they changed their logo because it's a little little thumbnail on your phone. You like Oh maybe it's have we not lead it had. Four thousand people listened at least for for twenty seconds to this thing. What she's promoting you to listen to someone else's podcast. What what what sucks even worse is you might think that that was just all right that was a commercial. That was the end of that and you might not even hit the next button to get to the episode of our podcast. So who knows it could be, it could be a little week and a half before you. Open up the APP and actually here the next download our show. So that interrupts outflow that our our audience measures I mean there's so many things that are unsavory about it let alone the fact that nobody emailed us and said, Hey, guys, this is coming down. Can you give us a hand? I mean for all we thought it was an accident and to this moment we've we email. We go hey, wait any real corporate we. The. Top digital guys in New York not the corporate, the corporate monkey we email. We email these people we like, Hey, get us an explanation people who is this an accident people in? New. York. What happened? How did back we've seen this done before, but we had no knowledge of it so it's been done before. And so. He's got a direct response back brody knows it's done on accident. By Accident No. So I know we don't know that for a fact. So so so I said well, it doesn't belong there and they said, well, leave it till we find out and I said too late. It's already weird he deleted deleted it because I didn't know what it was. We did get four thousand listens to our channel. So I hope that counts towards the Brooklyn Boys in which case we'll have to negotiate them putting commercials on our stream like that but but making it look like a new episode was a bogus. So that's balls you don't do that lever four thousand people didn't tell us so. Again and one person told it's possible four thousand people. All didn't want to be the second person. So I get that about brody I gotta believe that it was an accident. tweets no. I want to believe that this was done. eroneous. To believe that they wouldn't. They wouldn't have put this on their feet without actually emailing, they were going to do that I. now here's the thing I. Don't know how many people listen to that other podcast right? It must be call it the ball podcast promoted anymore but those guys are semi famous, right? How about our company puts our podcast in their. Feed. Do Little Little you scratch my back I'll scratch yours. Now we don't have a three minute commercial because somebody who is in me on this podcast refuses to put a Promo together? Being said, no, we will. We will. We will do our due diligence and we will get it done. All right. So now that aside and Bucket about the back if you didn't hear less. Oh sorry I'm getting my dander up I know. All right Dander Asada. I felt your dander up I always Brooklyn. That's going to be a Brooklyn boys quote right Brooklyn Boys, court guy. You gotTA. Stop with the Typos in missing letters. It's making a look like we don't speak well. Is that what they do. Okay. Enough enough enough. Come out. We come out of the gate bitching like this where like our? Good cycle raging bull I'm having a good week you having a good week. Week. You know. We'll say this thing you did interrupt me cutting my cheese. You have too far off the microphone stand. Brody what you said? Hey. Let's meet for the PODCAST. Let's do this. Right right. Then I send you I send you the link and then log on waiting waiting waiting the ten minutes passes and I'm like you know what? I'm going to go have a piece of cheese. So I had bought this cheese from this Italian Deli and it was so frigging good. But the thing is when you open up cheese I'm talking about the hard cheese opened up it's in that cellophane. From under under Saran wrap, whatever it is, but it's wrath by the store. You can't re wrap it from the store sell you know the store Saran wrap because I took a knife and I cut off a couple of pieces off the block, and then now like fuck and then I hear you in the background screaming Joe you there you ready to go. Let's do this and I'm like, wait a second I'm not leaving the cheese out. So I had to go under I had to go look for a proper tupperware that would fit this cheese block but I didn't want a big one or a long one. Ziplock bags. Now. There's nothing like an actual tightly sealed like plastic container that fits the shape of the cheese. There's one that I have that's specifically made for cheese so. I'd go find it and the. Coming in doing this podcast or eating cheese Hashtag you chose the cheese cut the cheese every time and you chose the cheese does the cheese the over the over the over slice but cheeser so good the guy. Score? What kind of cheese a it was America was no no no, it was an aged. From. From an Italian place and I will tell you the guy behind the counter came out from behind the counter, the Deli Guy and to you let me tell you you're looking for cheese. Let me show you this cheese and can she's guy well. I started to think halfway through his spiel that he's just trying to get rid of cheese old cheese because it had like the little Rienzi mold thing and he goes, oh no, you don't understand you understand the more the green on the sides and the mold because you see this little thickness piece that little translucent that's how you know that that the cheese you're getting is a property aged my friend you see this four door camry the rust is a good sign. The rest along the bottom means it's aged beautifully right? So that's I leave there with this piece of cheese and I'm like did I get taken this guy just totally black pull the wool over my eyes. I started thinking like, was he trying to move old cheese or was he really trying to interest me in this age? You'll be you'll be moving all cheese in about an hour. Already. Feeling it. Anyway right. The Word B. L. E. U. I on top handwritten label blue was blue cheese blue. All blue cheese is moldy cheese cheese. Yeah. It's the biggest scam ever ever eat blue cheese why? People going Oh. No, I love say so sharp but a hundred when I used to work for Red Robin if you guys know that Robin Robin I, was a manager for them. I was never a waiter I I was hired as a manager back in the day. But occasionally I would help out like I would take the order. If if the if the wait staff was overwhelmed I'd go over to the table Schmooze with them. And I talked about soda before but I may mention this done one hundred and forty three episodes already one, hundred, forty, four can episode zero. So I'm telling the story again forgive me but. When you would tell people what what you had. Tell you give me a how salad I said well, what kind of dressing would you like? It was. Russian French creamy talion oil and vinegar right Russian French, creamy tylenol vinegar, and eventually was thousand island. French because we switched, there's a difference and they would and so every one of them go like this to me that say Noguchi's Well you didn't mention it otherwise if you had it, you would have go I have blue cheese I just don't want to give it to you you fat fuck. Everybody. Else I'm just offering you the Russian. French. Creamy tiny and vinegar because I got the good stuff I've got creamy. Parmesan. I've got garlic cheese garlic. Dressing Brody it's Generally it's wishful thinking if I'm a customer and you don't list off I, always think about maybe perhaps you have extra in the back that you're not mentioning you forgot to list out one. No, you know what happened with the dove results good thing I fucking asked. What? Oversaw. Italian restaurant was. The special. Exactly. The way you were just now with your dressings and they were like, Oh, tonight, we have Lebron's Zeno we have a salmon we have a Muhima. And we have. A card and I'm like Oh and Mike. You. Guys you guys have any Dover Sole. Exactly what customers to you? Well, because in there, they had a menu online at Dover Sole, but the MENU I. Requested Person Thought Menu said Blue Cheese and I didn't say blue. He says to me goes he goes no because you know what? That's especially we have sometimes, we don't have today. Okay. He walks away the next guy comes over and I'm like, yeah, I just ordered all this I. And I made a joke I'm like you know I really wanted that Dover sole that I saw and then he goes wait a second. You want over Saul and. Wait a second I know it wasn't offered but let me go check in the back. And behold, they come back and he goes. Yeah I got you over salt. You want to put the put the water in like yeah. So I asked the second guy the guy behind the guy and they had to fucking Dover Saul. But the first guy didn't list it and when I asked if he had it, he said he didn't only special sometimes. So Brody me when you were listing off the dressings, you may have forgotten the blue cheese and somebody just trying to. Assure, you don't have blue cheese. No reason. Okay. Let me say let's say. About to the customers and first of all I'm the manager right I got the shirt and a tie got the keys. Yellow instead of Blue Whoa. WHOA. What does that mean? What different shirt colors that would that's what differentiates you from your waiters no wait is weren't wearing a shirt and tie. There were a white shirt with an apron. The point is if I had said. Rushing on French. Creamy Tien what's the fourth one oil and vinegar? Think that's it. I. Think maybe I don't know. But I I said, Russia? French. Creamy title vinegar does that sell forgot one does that sound I don't say the same thing it's like when I worked chucky cheese called Diko Coke sprite and root beer I still remember we'd five flavors customers not giving you enough crap. Do you have grape. coca-coca. Pair grape or they ask for seven up to nobody's got sprite seven up the bar, right? It's either. A coke and Diko he a Pepsi. Coke House either coke or Pepsi how Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa we don't do drugs here. Anyway, but but that aside you're you're making a point about blue cheese. Yeah it. So they so blue cheese is just it's I know Yoga's got bacteria in it I get it put blue cheese if you if you buy cheese the cheese you bought. Whatever cheese you eat big block of cheese. If it starts to get mold on it, you throw that shit out. Immediately it stinks it's gross mold is is is. Small. Lifeforms growing. Growing on your food, right. But that probiotics are good for you though and they grow that's alive. Doesn't live cultures and they just name Oh probiotics sounds like vitamins? No, it's shit. You're eaten. It's GONNA eat shit inside you. Don't want. So. tells you hey, eat a goldfish hole and swim around your stomach and eat it'll eat the dead red meat off the insides of your stomach. Would you eat a goldfish? No Right. Those. Those pedicures with the fish where the fish eater, the dead skin you never saw that before or they stick you. saw that Kim Kardashian one of episodes do we did it on our show twice with with Jersey kid right? Oh. Yeah. They start like pecking at you. It's like a fish pedicure inside my stomach but I'm telling you someone's going to figure out somewhere that some frog or Some kind of Lizard. If you eat it, you swallow it, it'll survive long enough to clean out your your intestines. All it's so great. It makes you lose five pounds and you'll craft lizard out. Okay. So you try. Blue Cheese is a good cheese. It's actually it's purposefully moldy. They do that on purpose they they're watching it's like dryades stake. It's like dry and don't get me started on July eight steak. I know we had this conversation on this podcast, right about dry aged and right you don't like dry. It's let it sit on the counter and get moldy. But it is a process to that it's temperamental control after stakeout by accident and was like Oh some guy ordered Dover stake I'm going to give them this old one way you got fish that was probably three days old at the guy was told we don't have any fresh Dover Sole. So he went out there and said no so we don't have all saying. Like Oh, I found a found a piece under the refrigerator by the wheel. and. He was next to the blue. Cheese. Cheese? Has Extra probiotics my my point was sometimes you got to ask the guy behind the guy you gotta ask twice you got question your managers and you gotta get brody if anyone knows about calling the supervisor you so to get what you want. So maybe it was a good thing that I pressed I did the full court press for the Dover sole that day you didn't get fresh fish there was no way I'll tell you how you know it's not fresh because if it came in fresh that day they would have had a lot of it and other people would have had it and someone would have noticed hey, we're not selling any dover salt will still standing what? What I'm still here, still set up a Elton listen. That doesn't mean it doesn't mean good fish. I've eaten five, the old pizza that was left out on the counter I shouldn't have eaten it. All right. I ate that food that was that I lost power in my house for three days brought it to your house, drove it over and took it back. It was in my car round trip at least an hour and had. Had you do that I may have had to take a couple of Tom's Tom's afterwards. Okay. Yeah. up Brownie. I got free dessert I talked about this very briefly on the big show, but it paid off. I didn't even ask for the free dessert now hold on hold on boxer not before you before you go there of sponsor but hold on before you go there I just want to say. I have a bone to pick with hugh involving food. So if this I'm GonNa, then do my next if it is mine. So, pissed. Okay well. Desert just want to say what happened. So I used a local food delivery APP called Chow now it's a lesser known. Sima. So usually people don't seem ubereats and all that. So challenge now is a localized localized around the country. It's it sounds like Chinese right? What it is, it basically takes all your neighborhood restaurants, the local ones and cuts out the fees like so you pay less the restaurant pays less to them and you get great food at a lower price because it's very localized you know they they still make their money they'd but the point is. They you find this at. All around the country, it's a national app its just localized to that specific area. So I ordered dinner for some from some restaurant and the. People fucked up they never showed up and then the. Chow Chow Chow No, they said. No, they said, Chow. By because an hour and a half later, ninety minutes. Not, shall not they cancelled my fucking ordering isn't the foods dot coming while the restaurant then calls me and says, look the chef is to get. This is how localized it this chef is is going to actually come from behind the counter and drive down the hill and he's going to give you your food from the restaurant. So they gave me the restaurant delivered the food, and then they told Chow now that the delivery was made but I call now and I said Oh now now now now. Hut. You cannot charge me for this and they said, you know what we do know you got your food we do understand it's not from us you want to her. I don't even know that it was. It was a salad it was a salad. It was a couple of things whatever it was did some important. The point is Shaotao says we're going to give you a full refund of your forty five dollars. You got your food. So I got my I got my entire dinner and they refunded me in entirety. Entire thing was paid for in. China's come again. Please come against us. Thank you so much. Yeah there you go. Now now somebody did right on the card call call this number to get extra credit. So does that mean if I called the people, I should get more in brody world of Free Dessert I. Feel like it even was not even and I got my free dessert but do I get even more free dessert now I'm going to call them and say you now only a thirty dollar gift card. Sure why not? Okay. How is that justified? Got I got my meal taking care of it was it was on the arm as they say. Who gave you the free food? The restaurant restaurant well, no no they got paid by Chow. Now. John Still incurred cost the restaurant paid the restaurant, my food. But Right now now refunded me the forty five dollars. Okay. They say okay. This is a grape soda incident. Hey, we're good. I'm just GONNA start stealing from the now I'm going to call them up on a day like, Hey, you guys steal. He'll be one hundred dollars in food wasn't stealing ballot is justified that You want the thirty dollars from channel. Now do I need already my question questions joy need do I need more free dessert or is this a good a good deal? I feel like you should be okay because you got your money back right however however here we go. wayfair situation. Yes. There's still a part of me that says. You got much was the food forty, five dollars you got the forty five but it came much later our ninety minutes but that'll ninety minutes at gotta make phone calls and stuff. So I feel like if chow now wants to keep your business plus you're giving them all this free promotion. I don't think it's unreasonable not a client. So whatever. Very nice to you on the phone. They were very nice. They were cordial. They were very easy. All I do is ask say, Hey, by the way. Let. Them slide gotta pull I I said Look. I had this dinner that's coming to my house now is probably cold and I have to feed my kids something else so You made up a kid. Yeah. I made up a kid you've done that before. Well all right. Mike. Dowse. This is. What about it here? Here's your money back boom. They hit me back on my credit card. Okay. All right. Well then. I'm going GONNA hold off on my way. I'm angry east story and tell you a similar story about door. Dash okay. Producer Sam on the big show. tweeted out that she was having a problem with door dash by the way chow. Now owned by door Dash I got recently bought out. Well. I see it's all in the family so to. So Sam tweets out that she's having a big problem with door dish. And somebody says, well, you better get brody. You'd better get brody involved GDP right. So so I said up semi I'm ready. Let me know I'm quarantine at home basically there's not much going on my life. So Sam Calls Me and I. says. This is what happened. Way. Yeah Gimme give me your credit information, the restaurant, the food you order you love. Wrapping knuckles, you would like. I am to go says, well, I, called the restaurant. They. said it's not their problem. It's door dashes problem. Oh. Yeah and when I called when I called Jordache, they said that the restaurant gave them the wrong food it's not their problem. So, what happened is Sam was she and her boyfriend ordered to milkshakes. Remote in the yard, all the boys to the art including the door Dash Boys. And she ordered them I want to say she ordered them. Let's say eight o'clock. For. After dinner dessert. To milkshakes from a burger place near she lives, we'll just call it the burger place because I don't want out then they were so not my place. Okay. So she says when the food arrived, it was a couple of burgers and some French fries. But no milkshakes. K now you know Sam is a vegetarian yes. Okay. So. She gave the food back to the driver. And then at ten thirty. Two and a almost two and a half hours later, the milkshake show up. Right. And they're ready to go to bed. So they don't even drink and they put them in the refrigerator go to bed and the next day they're shit right because they don't hold the fluffy. They don't hold the thickness. The with cream is all wont right yeah. So she says, Brody, can you help me at least get me something for this because neither one is willing to help me. I said. All right. I'M GONNA, call COP DOOR DASH. So call up door dash and I say. That, my fiancee I make semi fiance. My fiance ordered audit to milkshakes. And Feed my kid different food and put him to bed and I said, we want dessert from your from this place Yup and we use you guys because of the pandemic. Sure. You guys are doing real really good business but my my. My girlfriend doesn't eat meat. We don't have meat in house. We have a no meat in house policy your food arrived and it was she opened the bag excited and the driver ready left and there was a hamburger in the bag. She got so upset she couldn't eat. She was crying wanted to vomit you. You ruined our night. We broke the no meat roll Sir I'm. Terribly. Sorry but. Clearly. The restaurant gave there I said, you know what you guys are supposed to check the bag. Before you leave. I. Say to you got before you leave. You got to see before you leave the restaurant. Do I have to milkshakes? So he says well. I don't know what I could do. The milkshakes I said they were fourteen fourteen dollars and change or whatever. He says I will I'll give you credit. I said I, don't think you understand. My fiance. was. In tears and The shakes as you guys brought the wrong food. It's your fault. So the so the guy says, all terribly sorry says what would make you happy I, said, how about we rounded up to even twenty five? This is okay. Twenty five is an odd number. I know I know but I meant like you know a solid number fourteen. Whatever? He says, okay, absolutely. Twenty five dollars. Okay. So call, Sam Back, San Mateo you twenty, five dollars, oh my God it's amazing. It took me like four minutes. Was Quick. So. Would they're still saying it's the restaurants fault. We'll twenty five dollars is great brody. Thank you I said it's early on your door dash account I gave them your name and phone number right Oh. My God that's amazing I'm going to call the restaurant why? Because they saw they fucked up they gave the wrong food to the guy. Yeah and I'm getting a credit. So now you get credit in both directions. So I called the restaurant and I say listen my fiance and I are big fans where we live in the neighborhood we all the time my girlfriend has an account there. But WE DOOR DASHED and. you know Blah Blah Blah gave us the guy, the wrong bag, and so she's Syrup Toby. Sorry. But we have a we have a pickup leads and they take the order off the ledge the driver took the but who did he or did they pack around? So so I so I said I can't be responsible for that I don't know that to be true. So it's Isis texting. Sam. Semi copy of the receipt Sam sent me the receipt. So I said listen. I've got the receipt. It tells me the name who prepared the food and the driver's name. So she says, Okay Sir. But again, if door dash brought the wrong bag, they may have had the milkshakes in the car I said look. We count on you guys to get the order right with door dash I said my daughter was my daughter. My fiance was hysterically crying. And and she called here and you guys told her she's out of luck you wouldn't help her. She'll send me a copy, their seat I sent her copied. She says. She's looking at it and she says. Okay I'm looking at my copy the receipt she says your food. To a guy, a different driver, right? So. Now, they're bidding guilt. I said how would that happen? We must have given your milkshakes to a different driver saw. The bag we gave. Oh, so it is your fault. Yes. After telling me, it's not there might get out of them. So she says what can we do for you as well? If you'd like to come back, you can credit my account. What what can you do from here? Is it because it took me it did take me to rifled right right. Right I as well. We can credit your account twenty five dollars. I said. Dantonio. I said, why don't we make read even fifty? No. So. She said listen you're absolutely right. I'm embarrassed. Yeah but. I can't go higher than twenty five. My boss can go higher than twenty-five, but he's a here until tomorrow. So I'm going to put twenty, five thousand in Sam's account. For. Credit for next time you're here. And you can call the Marlins I'm GonNa, leave a note for him. And you talk to him by the way, we're now up to fifty dollars in savings here. That's correct. That's correct. twenty-five from the Dasher Sam up to fifty dollars. Oh my God, you're kidding me Nope I got you twenty in two, thousand five. She's willing only spent fourteen on shakes. They're paying you drink kit. Saw Texts Sam, I said Sam O. Tomorrow at two o'clock, and I will call and speak to the manager. A pull on very polite. Whatever did you talk to the next day? He followed spoke I spoke to the manager I'll give you hold on listen. This is the problem we had I spoke to your Manager and she was very kind. But she said she, she thought we deserved more than twenty-five, but she can only only five. But you guys gave this shakes to the wrong driver Geez I said but I you guys told my feet my fiancee she was wrong. There was nothing you could do then I had a call back. He told me there was nothing you could do I, got the receipt and showed you which driver had it i. said it took me multiple phone calls had a fight with door dash I didn't mention a twenty five dollar credit. was. The manager says you're absolutely right. We see that Sam's good customer you guys order from all the time I'm GonNa give you a twenty five dollars. Fifty to try to. Seventy five dollars for fourteen dollars shake. So Sam to me I don't understand I call door dash. They told me it wasn't their fault. Yeah. I I did everything she does say how to handle yourself. You've got to read my book when it comes out. He's like I'm going to save seventy dollars. That was some double delight that was like a devils three-way. Jerk in two off at the same time. Well, I WANNA say two different directions I did I did free dessert. When I called Dominic Midsummer when I called door dash the gentleman on the phone sounded like he might be of Indian descent. Okay. Right I thought maybe he might be it might be vegetarian or he might deal with a lot of vegetarians so I played up the Vegetarian Angle. And he was some point he said you know. He said you know all know she's vegetarian. So she upset for me when I said show upset she was right. I think that's why he was like twenty five dollars no from. Looking at seventy five dollars a Sam you welcome. Yeah. They, go and then coming in after this, we want to see what your food related problem with me was Oh food-related problem I got an alcohol related problem and I got maybe what may be the ultimate return of all the returns in stores I've ever done. My team instantly response to cyber threats my team helps agencies accelerate to the cloud might team brings innovation too complex it operations joined the. Team to support insecure some of the most complex government defense and intelligence projects across the country own your next opportunity and career with challenging and impactful work apply. Now at GD it dot com slash careers. 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So if you want more information on the Mazda, C UV lineup including the first ever see X. Thirty go to Mazda. USA Dot com slash IHEART, and don't forget to explore their strongest finance options what you'd beef. Beef. His beef. It's bad enough when you do something that is wrong. Okay. It's bad enough when you do something wrong you don't realize it's wrong but then it's worse when you don't realize that it's wrong and then you posted on social media. All right. Where are we talking about and let's go quick because. We we have a lot of issues to what is your ethnic background. Ethnicity. italian-american. Right. Right I'm America you're Christian. I'm Catholic. Yes. Some Catholic Catholic. Christian the umbrella. No granted you grew up in an area that had some Jews in it. Right? Not Jewish not Jewish when people think of Elvis. Duran, in the morning show, they think of you as residues actually Scotty be is as well and Sam but okay, you're also okay but I've been have. Scott but Scott on the show as much as me. Okay. All right. Cool. Pinch back in the day when we were Z morning zoo, you guys referred to me is this morning do correct? Now Y- Monday. This Monday was one of the two holiest days of the Jewish calendar Rosh Hashanah. Or Rosh Hashanah. Okay. Yeah. By the way Sean Shawna. Shana Tova of thank you, Shana Tova, look more. Or Less Shana Tova. Okay so I wanNA play this audio clip. Of Scary. That's you on instagram. Okay giving a goofy faces. Pointing to the camera thing Leshan Tova Right Right that is the equivalent of saying Marie Christmas. Leshan Tova. Yeah. That's like saying HAP. Happy Easter. We'll do I. DIDN'T I didn't go to Hebrew school. It's I mean okay. Just be thankful that I e And understanding. Tova luscious. Tova Right. But Jonah Tova that that is not how you say which means you know what it means. It means. Good good fee. Does Not Happy New Year it means. Good Vibes. Good Vibes. Only a good holiday holiday, right? Good Young. If any holiday I don't know something like that. Right. Beard of what they said Noah you're you're you're mongering the language of the Jewish people. But. But the reason you did that the reason you did that right holding something I was holding holding food. posted. Russia of vibes have a sweet New Year party like it's fifty, seven, thousand one, which is the Jewish New Year and you're holding food and you say, thanks at hold on hold on his audio here as well. I love you so much. Thank you for this this Russia. What does this honey cake? Some radio life. Well. My eighth honey cake a pound cake. Hold on I. WanNA point out first of all. Thanks a feeding you put on your coat I. Don't know why he pulled on your coat but you said it travels well first of all saint of all you said, Oh, I'm going to eat this. What is this whole? Fellow you so much. Thank you for this this. Russia. Shana, what does the honey cake? Yeah. What is this honey cakes? You didn't even know what you're eating. Get a look at the side of the box. Okay. You're you're mangled Shana Tova. You pointed out the food travels well, yeah. We're about to eat it. You don't even know what you're about to eat, but you thanking them which is. It looked moist. Okay. Wasn't working books hey. Hey a-team underscored Perry on our. Oh Maju on the show where's my food? You give it a scary. So scary I was thinking maybe we'll go. To the studio weren't there you said on that clip, it travels well, which means you could have brought it home for me or dropped off at my house or done something the only did you give it to Scotty? No, did you drop it off at Sam's house who lives like five blocks from you know did you know your own gate over food? You didn't even know what it was. It travels well, and you gave a shout out to these people who gave the food to the Italian guy right and I gotta tell you right and by the way Italians can be used the same time because remember. Ju- understood. But the point is you don't hear you don't know the history of this. If you really want to feel like Shit head, I've worked with these people before I've done for them even more upset. Okay. Hold on. No, they've been to the studio we I've established a relationship. These are people that I know so so they go. Yeah. A lot of your friends Jewish. They know they came up to the studio for a visit and not only did they send me they sent me a t-shirt. They says I, they sent me a whole on they sent a t shirt for Garrett and a t shirt Danielle the three of us we all got t shirts Christians. And he didn't get me a t shirt. But you don't have a relationship with them because you're hiding them from me. That's like me. If not listen to the show, they would know. I'm the jude that's like that's like. My people suffered for thousands of years in the desert. The least I could get a t shirt. If my parents neighbor was Jewish, it will be the same thing they're sending me to a Jew but they could be sending me food because I have a personal relationship with them. It doesn't matter but I'm not sure ship. What's the personal relationship with Danielle? They were there in the studio the day that they came up as well shy I work in the studio I don't know you dated I. Don't know maybe you weren't there I have no idea. To say, Oh, where's brody listen if I was there And they will bring it up Selah balls and pursuit. I would say, well, we're skier at shed is what's scary. Buddy loves Italian food but you weren't there brody where you're at home. In fact I've asked you for now two months to come over here and get this box of junk then related. How What was I gonNA. Do hold onto this. GonNa hold onto this honey cake with this, it'll go harness on. blue cheese because you're not gonNA time you come here to pick it up. It will be done the. House and You said you, I have honey cake via brody and some free t shirts you honey cake would be over there because it's perishable. Brodie. Okay but how did how to Garrett Dan? You'll get t shirts. Because the last time, these people were in the studio, the lifeline they they came up the highlight they came up. They said, hello, the last year at this time they came up and they got they brought me honey cake and then yell never left earlier than Danielle Danielle. And Garrett were there with me in the studio we took pictures with this family. So they remembered they held onto those memories that we've created and she sent me because I had a personal relationship with our weather I'm a recipient of a of Judaism. Personal relationship with Jesus, you shouldn't be a personal ship. Would you people and not include me Holy Shit and you know what you should be eating pizza go fuck yourself man you can't eat Italian food or Saturday, what you're saying, I already made the analogy I said if I had to deal with an Italian Deli that had like Italian cheese you like and smoked would Selah and Gaba goal in all the stuff you love and they brought food down the hall I would get you I would put them in the refrigerator for you. I would get you a shirt but there's no telling when you coming here next because you haven't been here in months talking about providence still has. Still hasn't even picked up his Brooklyn boys masks yet that he ordered. Okay. I have not but I over night come over and get the hoodies and then over get my food back that was. That was two months and months ago. Not to. Shit. I cannot believe you you. You. Ju- blocked me, and by the way, thank you to shut up the Instagram who had all you type in Russia's Shawna and instagram gifts. Maybe all come up. It's gray at all I'm sure they do. Yeah. Liberals like it's fifty seven, eighty-one happy fifty seven, eighty, one birdie. Yeah. Hey, hey. was. Chris Moss Yeah now. I told you guys but this is disgusting this city. Is Falling Shit, Nas not it will it I will say one thing that happened to I, want to tell you what happened to me on Saturday night. You can't deny this happened because it did okay. Being my friend I'm coming back from the restaurant. Talking to my car car. Car. And car and what I see. Is, a girl all. She's on the back of my no she's literally between my car and the car in front of my back. So she's being between cars parallel parked on the middle of how street which is a main thoroughfare in Greenwich Village Out Houston Pronounce Ouston Yeah. And we're walking into the car and I'm like, what's he doing behind my car? What's going on all the sudden this drunk girl jumps up and as she jumps up, she starts jumping up and down to try and get her pants up which were around her ankles. She was in her Thong and all of a sudden gee richer pants up buttons up and because Oh and then skips off across the street with. Drug. What did she say? She was making all these of noises. And then I look and I go to the comic. She just pissed my car sheep and I said this on the big show, Shimmy literally put her but to the car she pissed in between my car and the might trunk. She squatted she nice. squatty potty except there was no penalty this squatty on your cars yuping that she made next to it next to the fucking tire. But the point is there was all wetness all over the floor and all over the area near my car it was disgusting but I'm like what s Lexus? Lexus yesterday was. And My my question is. This just came out of a bar clearly, she couldn't write. Tests before she larry wait till, she got to the Mill Street. So your theory is that New York was perfect before the pandemic, and now because you don't like the mayor, this girl peed on your car, it's the mayor's fault. Now I'm just saying she did that I think drunks came out pete in public before the pandemic. Different Hell I pulled I, understand. She's that was some what s piss. That's. Okay. That's the last episode. We call it. What s podcast just we did. I don't know if that paid off. Now was supposed to write a jingle for this weekend have time to do it for next. I hate the mayor for other reasons. That's not for this podcast. I'm going to start new podcast about that that now helpless about my, my my my choices, my choice words for Mayor de Lousy. Oh 'cause I fucking hate him. That's a point that let. Let's put all that side because I don't want to go down that road. Now, you had a couple of things you out bodily. Dog. Question for your dogs dogs, and they were both on yesterday's fifteen minute morning show podcast I don't. Show. This is the question I have for dog owners or pet owners or cat owners or. Gerbils do you think your dogs know what you're doing if they see you doing it? Do they now. was if a dog, I've always wanted to know this I don't have a pet I don't know nothing about, but but with dogs with dogs or if you're doing it in in their style. Right but. Have you ever like have you ever had the door open and the dog just wanders while you were doing it and the does the dog a does the dog know what you're doing. A bead. I answer that question. No. Pets. No I don't think so no, I don't think so. No, I don't think dogs eater on poop sometimes. I don't think going. Reverse cowgirl. Yeah My think that they must know I mean I. Don't know you've never had a pet. I don't think first of all I've never I've never had sex with a pet in a room because I'm trying to think of all my ex's. Thinking about having sex with a pet not couldn't no because I don't have a cat and dog and does Ron. Said I've never had sex with a pet no room. No not that with a pet. Nobody No. That'll that's not gonNA happen here. But in this scenario, but I'm trying to remember like way back I don't think I've ever done it with a with a pet in a room in any situation ever. But. My question is for pet owners. No, it doesn't. Reduce dog like look like Ooh and the reason why I bring it up is because I noticed that you know. Elvis has two puppies and his dogs and everyone Daniel has cats. Everyone's got these pets and I'm always what I see them wandering around the house on the zoom room and we'll. The Daniels. Cats watching her while she's like having now. Some people don't mind when the dogs in the bed I don't want the dog in the bed. I kicked a dog out. You may get the dog out but does the dog know what's going on you? No listen listen I had a I had a kid walk in the room when they were. Four or five. Really and We just had a conversation like nothing was going on we the blanket. But we were involved. And they just walked in and like, Hey, I have a question. So we were like, oh He Doing So. And and they didn't know what we're doing I don't know if they even remember that I remember it but no I don't think the dog's nose my point. Okay Right just wondering I teased couple of things. I WanNa talk to you about my return. I don't think I could outdo myself on this one. We do have some sound that we should probably get to a lot and we. Can Do you want me to tease the only to get to that later it's a quickie go for. Yeah. Go go go so. Do it. Just say I wanted to say it was in my mind was last summer I bought plastic channel runners. I think they're called channel runners. They're basically like celery sticks stocks when you cut the talk is curved, right? Long insights come on. It sounds like my penis. right? Yeah. And so. I bought these things to put where the water was dripping my backyard. When the rain comes, the water seems to fall off my house into this one spot I bought four of these to channel the not gutters, our leaders, their rubber there about. Three feet long and a foot wide and you click them together to make them long into almost like a slip and slide got a thing the water sitting you make the water rollaway and you can fill it with rocks to keep them down anyway boy for them I ended up only using three I. think they were like seven dollars a piece right and they don't sell them in the stores they're only homedepot online. Okay So I'm organized in my garage last weekend and I see that I still have this one left I never used and I didn't return it at the time say thought what if I need another one? Another one? Right now home depot change their return policy. A couple of weeks ago used to be if you didn't have a receipt, they just gave you store credit. So people were clean out their closets and they're addicts and their garages. Oh, I, found this nozzle from six years ago as long as they still sell it in the store, they'll give you the credit, right? It's still in the System so I would always like, Oh, here's some molding brought. You know I'll bring that back great about it while they stopped doing that. Yeah, you'd have to have a receipt or you have to have the credit card you bought it onto show the purchase. So I go up to the the customer service desk. I don't bring the item and it's in my trunk and I say to the woman I said. Her name's Stephanie. Stephanie this is the situation. Got This channel guard thing I. Don't exactly what it's called I bought it last summer. It's a Home Depot online exclusive. Credit Card used, but I was wondering, should I bring it in try to return it I, don't know if he's still sell it. So she says, will describe it. So I describe it she's I. Let me look at your account. I said I probably use my home depot card. 'cause I ordered it online and my card attached to the account check my home depot card. So she says. When did you say you bought it? I said last year last summer I was doing you know forgetting the garden ready maybe in the spring. She says, yeah, you bought it in. In May as all great. Yeah. Told you. She says twenty seventeen. I said, no pretty shows last year. She's nineteen. She's Nope. 2017 says already bored for them. Exactly. Look, like I was trying to scam her I was and I genuinely remembered his here or maybe twenty eight maybe give you the benefit of the doubt. So she says, you come in here all the time I'll all the time I. Walk in they know me like David. She says. Well look, it's not in the system anymore. So I can't scan it. But she could scam it. said. I appreciate that. Thank you. She says, listen you're good guy your regular guy come in real time. She let me see what I could do. Yeah. You know she condition. And she says I'm GonNa give you ten dollars back for. A only pay she goes how many how many did you want to return I said just the one. Issue you only want to return one week wink elbow elbow right so I'm like I don't want to take advantage because that's not honest. You know it's one thing to get free dessert, but I'm not going to return to only have one I said, yeah I got the one just I'm Gonna I'm GonNA use a miscellaneous code and I'm going to return for you and we'll just we'll call it ten dollars even. Like. Oh, that's great. I'll go get it just keep it. So okay. I got a ten dollar credit for something. I bought three years ago only paid six, ninety, eight four and I didn't have to return it Boehm. She must been a good mood. I can sell it and get seven dollars. Of course you'RE GONNA. You're gonNA fucking wayfair that shit that's right and. Speaking of bonus bonus bonus bonus yeah. 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Now, we got more hits. We did all up more hits. We didn't play with play power cleaner. I don't see it. Well, let me salad off my phone. Let's see if the play. So now fuller brush fuller brush was a big company in the forties and fifties. It was like if you wanted a home product as seen on TV, these guys would come door to door. They were a big deal. They've revitalized the name, and now they've got this guy who says I'm the fuller brush man because he's like the latest guys like the oxy clean. Guy. Yeah What's that guy? Does the the the patches holes in your boats? What's that guy? The Seal Guy don't wait me the quick seal, the shield that whatever that guy has. The right. There's always a guy. This is the first brush guy. So this guy sound power cleaner write you put a bought a spray bottle on your hose, your garden hose and shoots. The chemical is a magic fluid that cleans your windows. You screen using I'm going to give you a magic fluid, right so I want you. One of the selling points wasn't to one of the selling point see if you can hear this. Know with the full crystal hours freer. Twenty seven. Okay. So in in the video, they're showing the guy, not him the guy in the background trying to clean his second floor window. And he's on. A little like a five step ladder and the hose he's trying to use is reaching the window but with this attachment, the power cleaner he but listen to what he says that to prove his point. Here it is hold on. Okay. What the ladder. Right. Even with the Ladder Hey, I have an idea by a bigger fucking ladder right the guys kind of a step stool trying to clean a second floor window and this guy's me like, Hey, man without this, there would be no way on on this. To clean your window on the second floor even with a ladder, they exacerbate the problem. Is that the right? Yeah, they made the problem worse than it really is, but they're showing you in the frame. It's almost as if that ladders higher than five feet don't exist right? With the latter, the only one ladder, the ladder it even with your life with the ladder. That ladder never gonNA reach the second floor because it's fucking step stole for my kid to buses teeth. Oh. My God. You'll see the commercial be like Holy Shit Okay unfavorable rating you got that one of course. Okay unfavorable rating. Now, I know that the host of this news broadcast was trying to make it like a compliment. She was interviewing a guy who's running for office, right? And he he's running against. Lindsey Graham in south, Carolina names, Jamie Harrison. This is not a political endorsement. I'm just planned sound and so she's talking about. Lindsay's unfavorable rating and his unfavorable rating. But listen to how she explains the numbers at the end and then I will explain to you why it doesn't. It's not right what she said He. Opinion he's at forty nine. He's he's underwater by by five points in terms of his favorable unfavorable while you're on favorables are just thirty four. So let fewer people know you. Okay Okay you lost. She said she said Lindsay's favorables like when you poll people are at forty nine percent, right? So forty nine percent of people don't like him. She says to Jamie on her show your on favorables are only thirty four percent. That's a compliment like. Yeah right dime less unfavorable than you right because that's part of it like isn't always who you'll vote for its who has like the like the last presidential election, Clinton Clinton trump with the two most unfavorable people ever to run for office at the same time against each other but they were both unfavourable. So if you voted you weren't happy about it. So she says him while you're on favorables only thirty, four percent that US should be a compliment. She should say I guess people like you. But to play the clip again, listen to what she says to the guy as to why his numbers are unfavorable favorable opinion he's at forty nine. He's he's underwater by by five points in terms of his favorable unfavorable while you're on favorables are just thirty four. So I guess fewer people know you know you know obviously you must know the person because on favorable they. Have a rating? No, no no, that's not. That's not what she's saying what she meant. Excuse me what she meant was the the people out there. You're not as well known as Lindsey Graham Lindsey. Graham is one of the most famous politicians in our country like him or not. He's on television old boy they get to know him the more favorable he's going to be. Yes. I can. Only thirty percent like you I. Guess Because Nobody knows you get ten once they get you. GonNa fuck it. Hey. That's Okay that makes sense. got. Was a former. was. A former just drives me crazy people say that all the time Oh, he was a former general in the army play the clip. Play the Clinton I know it. Troy she was a former top advisor on how can you be? How can you be? You were a former? No, you are. You are currently a four because you are a former. Unless hard. You back at. Troy she was a former top on discussing who writes their scripts. Is this that. Doesn't matter. Did the point is fucking preschoolers writing this teleprompter shit point with troy she was a former top. Okay so I didn't get the audio at the time but. I know. I didn't get the audio, but I know it's because they're reading off a teleprompter, right? They're not saying these things because they don't know it. They're saying it because the teleprompter writers in idiot, for instance, I'm watching guy. On Cable News and he's talking about Glen Fry from the Eagles. Now, if you don't know the Band Eagles, one of the most famous rock bands in the seventies and eighties huge amount of hits and all of the almost all of the members of that band went on to solo careers themselves Don Henley Joe Walsh Glenn Fry huge success band turns out. I didn't know this until many recently, they were the backup band for Linda. Ronstadt who was a huge singer seventies they will just back a band and they were like, Hey, we want to go out on the road. It's like, yeah, go ahead became the eagles anyway, Glenn fry spells his name F. R. E. Y. Okay Yeah The guy on the news says and To be talking to Glenn. Frei Glenn Fray. Right that means you don't know who Glenn Fryers and it's written. Reading off the teleprompter correct question is look you and I are producers right. We produce have to write it phonetically right writing far why it doesn't matter the autism. Spell. But. Can Fry the way it said anything I. Write for radio anything I write Elvis right like saquon. Barkley phonetic injured phone Nettie phonetically so that he could see sa y. k. w. a. n. sacred symbol supporting playing pronouncing it right on the air and I'll put essay Y in capital city. Right. S A, QC you Anna. Essay Q.. U. A. and anyway that he's going to go suck on. Whatever he may not know it. You can't take for granted that your talent. No. So Glenn for anyway. Okay. What else you got there? We have well, we have the social security string of. To skip those, skip those let's skip the sound. For you rest I want yeah we're GONNA leave. How how you somebody else I asked the wrong people for advice. This is the alcohol thing. I. Mentioned before. So my wife likes a good vodka, right? She's not a huge drinker, but she likes good vodka straight up or in a in a mixed drink K.. And so and she needed a bottle of. Whisky recommended for her boss birthday a couple of CO workers chipping in. So I asked you did we do his podcast we talked about this. No we talked about you giving me the the whiskey. We did talk about the vodka. About the vodka. Yeah. So so you gave me a very, very expensive Whiskey recommendation, but if people were chipping in, that's fine. So I asked someone I know who I know is a connoisseur of vodka. And I said Hey My wife mentioned she'd like to try a vodka better than what she normally drinks a little nicer than what you normally drinks and I wanted to get her something. Nice. She's been working very hard and she did a couple of favorites for me She bought me some things at a store I didn't know. Okay. Okay. I. Wanted To do something Nice by her so I asked this person. Who I know knows the finer things in life and I said listen. Something a little nicer. She normally drinks Tito's Kennel one. Chopin enroll in the same category. Yeah. They're all like twenty dollars a bottle right? Whatever twenty five dollars when. I was a little bit nicer but not anything. It's GonNa break, GonNa break my my wallet. Right 'cause I. Know this person has a lot more money than me and they used to find a things, but maybe they've had a relatively. Inexpensive. Wine above vodka. That was good. That was a little more money dollar bottle of six up. So they go up. Got It brody no problem and they send me back. A couple of minutes later to vodka's the names of two vodkas McGaw. This is great. These sound fancy. This is great. I look them up. One of one hundred, fifty dollars. Wow. A bottle and one of them was to seventy five shit. So I myself. Well, what do I do now? Because if I don't use the recommendation, he's you know he's going to go. Hey, how'd you like those Vodkas? I can't lie about it because he might speak to my wife and go. Focused what are you talking about? Yeah. So I don't want to tell my camp by Vodkas but for so first of all, I wanNA know scare whose fault is it? Is it my fault for asking a rich guy for advice when I I told him, I wanted something wouldn't break my wallet that okay. This is a guy who knows how much I make. Okay. Well, why don't? You ask you rich guy. Hold on he. Okay. All right. Wait he knows me right. He knows frugal I'm not cheap but I'm frugal. He knows I'm not going to spend two seventy five in a bottle of vodka. He should know that right which means okay. He must be tricking five Jolla Bala Vodka right to think the seventy-five expensive or he thinks to seventy five is a good stretch for me. When I told my wife Drinks Tito's right. So you WANNA stretch me stretch to eighty. Give me an eighty dollar body. Kimmy Huntersville. Here's the problem I'm. Okay. So is my full fast gonNa Rich Guy Yeah or his fault for not realizing it's me. It's David. No, it's. It's your fault for asking you a rich guy. I would ask a common person, the person. Does, okay well, here's the. Here's the problem brody I'm very I was going vodka drinker and. The truth, the truth be told. All this vodka is in the same kind of category they're all twenty, five, thirty, thirty, five, forty dollars a bottle. I believe after that there's nothing there's no like you almost eighty one hundred dollars bottles. And it goes right to the expensive show I really do think. Every product has different layers of product. We'll find finally there's no fifteen thousand dollar lexus, but other than that. So. Okay. But I didn't know which one to get. So what I did was I took the. Two, hundred and fifty dollar bottle maybe or the one, hundred, seventy, five dollar bottle of vodka. And I go google the name of it because the name Gabi had like it had like a fancy name. I'm going to say it was a pizza vodka. Vodka but it was like Pete's vodka. Excelsior edition or something right? Right. Like he said to get the excelsior audition or is the champagne edition with some kind of UNC. The Gold Label. You Brody, you can I well on it was the gold member right something like that. So I did was I looked for that company and I found they had a forty five dollars version of it and in eighty five dollars version, and then the one, seventy, five, eighty, five version no, I got to forty five dollars version. Okay. Again, you still talking to me because eighty five dollars if she doesn't like it, I'm stuck with eighty five. You could have found the most expensive bottle. You could find an empty version of that bottle on Ebay and then pour some absolute there. No, that's a Dick move my wife. My wife knows hot. Bars Brooklyn have done that. That's correct growing us back. I I give my wife to vodka the forty five dollar vodka and she loves it. She said it's so different than anything else I've had. It's amazing. She loved it loved vodka. So. Wasn't going to tell her that. That's like you know. There's two other versions that much higher I just said, glad you like it I the ranch, the affluent guy. So the question is now, do I do I what do I say to the Athol Guy? What do I do nothing? I. Say. Anything. Keep your mouth shut and move on. To make it a topic on the big show tomorrow if you'll do it because it was elvis. Wilson. You, serious. Yeah. It was Elvis and I. Love Elvis and his recommendation was good because she liked to cheap version but I can't get a hundred and seven hundred dollar bottle. Come on why not brody he knows me for twenty years. He knows that free all that free dessert you've gotten over the years all those free credit all those put more money in my bank. Yes. That would have been money that we would've used on those products but they spent. Money. On College on my kids, I don't have the world of a in the game of life brody. You are way ahead. You could've fucking you could've you could've paid the seventy five for a nice bottle for her it's it's your wife your wife. You doesn't my wife I she doesn't. She, deserves the finest at the best she's got me. She deserves the finest in life. She didn't deserve. Okay. But who's to say that one seventy six is better than forty five you don't know that. By the way in my opinion, anything's better than forty five. So look. One seventy one. Hello 176. That's like they tweaked the flavor and maybe she wouldn't like that flavor for wider. Our wife living. With. Putting up the forty five. Dollar bottle. Birthday for birthday coming up in the new. Year. Maybe I'll get the seventy, five, eighty dollars whatever it was middle bottle. Yes. No maybe get her vodka slice of pizza. From one of those right now. We don't. We don't drink vodka from one seventy when you come from. August. Toys. I gain what's going on I know it's been a while since you may have been out of the house living life like you used to. But you know what? There is the open road that still is out there and you should probably reintroduce yourself to it in a Mazda I. was lucky enough to drive around in a nine the last couple of months and I have. To say the C. 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