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#45 - UDC, AGPs and LDCs with Jimmy Palahey

Dental Leaders Podcast

36:40 min | Last month

#45 - UDC, AGPs and LDCs with Jimmy Palahey

"In a cold to might uses I should have been doing more not enough. Upload. In simple thing like that, of course, is all the financial side luckily up partner who takes that stuff as you. picked. This is dental leaders. The pulse to a, you get to go one on one with emerging leaders in dentistry. Your haste payment languidly and price Salon Cain. Today. We will talk Jimmy Palo who's got four practices in around Lincolnshire? Nottinghamshire. Jimmy is that right? Yeah Yeah my style have you Jimmy. Jimmy. Thirsty Pre cove it. What your practices would like the size of them a number of p pulled them up the buildings that the kind of betsy doing those full. and. Then three of those became urgent care centers, urgent dental centers. So really what I'd like to know what it's like. First of all, how did you do that? Why did you do that? Did you bobby like rest of us and then it's like working in that environment? Okay. So let's take a question at. The and the initial group of. We had. We always make models that we've always run makes my level is. More, suitable muddle or get. US on a background giving an HSA industry You know it makes my career doing that, and then of his always had one eye on private as well. But boy approach has a slow a pizza of express dentistry through. Model. Not United I N. needs initiatives. Are Not Donald. Counterfeiting in the middle is kind of absolute positions. Everyone was built in classes or position where a steady. And then also have the problem. When did you have your first one? How old were you when you started that and then when did you have the next three? So. We Boulevard factors about ten years ago. And we would you know. Pretty Standard sets out to buy practice offer often the practice It is much more NHS side proxies. I didn't will expanded practice in zone, and then I'm we sort of went through the tendering process will contracts next house the. OJ's? Expanded over the loss fumigated If. Essentially. Yeah. Yeah. To treat more patients and disapprobation more activity going on and then. Navigational Philosophy into the. Will create absolute mixed model. And Jimmy is a practice owner law practice owners who have makes practices and then grow. Personally from a clinical points of view did you adjust you'll splits did you stop doing more private were called or move at any point shift towards being exclusively Priva-, and then get the associates incident the jess how's that Bain during the whole peer time that you've from say first craftsy soap to full. So Yeah the. Chest look beginning is. Young. Lineup. Practice. and. Abandon determination to sort of. Years I'm sure everybody will say this thing. And then you know as we as we are compensation patience stabilize obeys we thoughts about work then the introducing various physical systems into the practice. ME. Being one example. Implants and and. Um. Sort of ended on dates injury and expanding tool. The is an is making sure that. Cage of old needs we keep everything into one relief enough while the majority practice doing aiming to immune to do and baggage natural. To founder and that whole done. And so you you as a clinician personally g do any NHS word now if you shifted to be in primarily working on the business plus privates or Gd, still do a little bit nhl how how does this structure now? Yeah I'm probably be more private web. Now he said well on the business. Aspects of running a business. Expert is. As my roots are either mind during the. NHS's interval Fridays of citroens circumstances by. Choice and then. Activist against level the other I'm happy to do both. How did the DC thing happened? So you can see things happen i. Would LDC's in Nottingham and We were approached L D say about. His. Ages that. In most that you'll read. Very much and we have many years where it was not much management and then. We would have mentioned in the documentation it will attain. NHS utilizing the LDC's to create e. In Balmy sees me outset we inputting. How wanted argue these Egypt's designed in our area I think is a Green Valley tease me you. As a provider services, we we actually provide aid to aid certainly provides seven days a week most of approximately. So we already have thought the platform and we already happen is he had IHS, patients seemed like a natural progression to them extend. Out To at Ud see model and ultimately we were approached by ecstasy community see. You running right eight, twenty, seven days a week before. We were right and if he will awesome were eight, two, eight, seven days a week so. By networks quite well, we find his minded motivate our employees well. Jimmy. Quick quick question about not you know in my own practice is sometimes I talked to my associates and an support team about possibly opening a Saturday clinic in the late evening and stuff Lila you've obviously got somethin' in you that we have the enables you to get team members to be able to you know come in late or do the weekend shift and still how you manage to. So set ups, you're able to operate on them hours and amid how to shift work just just give me a an overview really curious about probably a combination of Witton Chong let's say. Mo- address is mind doing now I'm not ready to say. Yeah I mean it's just. An Ex Gloria. How many people I can End It will we day? They can do a whole work in. An open network is unity is really. Trying to stop advantages of working in this. Way and. That children can do school run. You one way or the other that they could get dropped in the morning. Never era. We'll have a amazing. Yeah. I think that you know. Those challenges but Said before is an eight, two, two, eight, mobile. Yeah, we do. Next to. Bill six hours. Over. At choice but. The but. But then. How about the manager? To manager will just one. Weeping Defense Nari and I think. We have multiple manages manager aside and I think that now we. Have more of it. You will manage a role we also current team of about. Let's say. Final seeks to look after all the science. We will convene a each in. Different roles of the roles is. Yet. We tend to L. as rolls out quite early onset anybody who is up to. He sort of an emmy into of the business as well. So they have a loose manager structure, but just advocate roles go to me. Jimmy how how's it will view the practice own because you know I it Lino the during the Times of operation. There are certain team members. The I'm on call to if that makes sense on then you know when the proxy show? No obviously, I'm probably going to get less feedback and stuff like that. What does your work life buttons look like and? You on coal from eight to eight most times or if you got that so of Covid Salaya, low you how how does that work in terms of your life and how you manage something that's running seven days eight late The question I, I think it was. China. After the. Team. The team is not that wet and good feedback. Is Not A. Little bit maybe just. On the more Complicated problems. I think Mogi Operational, time. Business on leave to on the team members any believes for example is managing. So on I, think that would be where I would. Take a step away your. Actual role, and if you have an issues incumbency expect you to fulfill that role is clearly defined from upset about issue. If it how would? That make time for kids than everything else he put for as well. Just juggling time isn't it? Really? So. Tell us about what it's like working within a UDC environment by the whole the whole p. thing especially when the virus was peeking. Did. You have members of staff scared to go in so. Interesting Yeah I think we've been. We've seen the whole even of this ready because I mean how exactly was sitting the NHTSA is if each limited and you know anybody in have the level of dominance as we as we have now that more documentations coming out of the week eighty basis for most. Binding. So we will do fit testing tested whose ADL is literally no guidance in the SPA most of my bondage from assassin Austin from. Solvents and so on. So really. Not. Question about how are we tried as an e Any evidence or against. Entity become a Guinea pig I think that we. Any picked away through on the days. testing patient everything they stops by early on it did a good job and he's been. rated. Jaw based on the evidence to have. A more is flooded. Opinions of changed over time. So where we saw it where we are now he's quite different actually I would say Oh Hang onto. And you were doing AGP's as well right? We will we won't be doing quite well Yeah. We we sort of embraced on the requirements and patient flow requirements and adjusting the practice to accommodate on adoption areas At. Doing feel quite. Giving, continued on. A happy to share information leaked not the LDC networks. Shed any. Tips what are some tips of how to manage in this in this new normal in this bit hopefully it's GonNa change again. But To me, it seems like patient Communications on Michigan Right. Things. Always. Going to be an issue because messages game why space face. On there. That I gave you, any indication is to have. An becomes. It was up to what extent they give you all the information linked and we've had a long a big homeless company NHL. Practice already the retrospective twenty get our lactation so. Interesting. And that hasn't really help the situation. willing to get on with think that's. Pretty adaptable profession and I think that we can adapt to whatever their so now so. Huge down he about to adapt to Austin head. When I said communication actually patient dentists communication like under all that stuff today not find it difficult booking. Yes. So we'll have an honest with a patient prior to getting through. So rely on the beat triage. To them coming into the practice of. Unadjusted we beat using inflight. Conferencing an inside back to it at least as a patient before. And just finally gives you an idea and host treatment as well essentially when you trade you. Practice at each stop. Practically. CONTAINING DOWN So. We can always how a debrief oast. Using techies in a big hell. As loud as other contact outside the city in a chair, I think any useful interviews going old especially bracing. A think something that keeps coming up with a lot of my and dental clients and friends is is followed time and how long to leave, between AGP, non agp procedures and what was that when you first kicked off has that changed an just what advice can you give and for him to everyone is different. Early. Stages. He see the wheel I encourage of. Timeless about sixty minutes used to about an hour. Awesome of. Fandey. And about sixty minutes earth annual Down is I think that that position was coming. Again through the network, we would always ask the questions about his typing Dr Edna has. Way, for answer g with eventually Avalon conditioning temple in adult. He'd sweating away people gowns and be asking the question yet Hamis conditioning and we are responsible for a few weeks later. That's. It hasn't always been again the response, but obviously, the PAT position is equal position. So I think that you have to. FDP Guidance is very used for might up allows acumen and again some of our recent. Invoked in granting documents. But it's not always in tune with the NHL occupation is funded explained on different way and I think the ultimately more anyway NHS occupant has trump in terms of in illegal -sition that he must hate. So I think behind Tomescu going to be something that. So the. On neck especially when they move into the sort of level three tight alert status and equal talk about having a multiple eighteen care ago active routine practice any as she's will be asked a lot more about time how how it could be potentially mitigated. So. We'll the follow times today. Are they similar or have? They have they changed now? I. Empty Painting. that. I'm not an expert on this but he own. Mind ending of documentation on AGP that mentioned. And Arrange A. agape arranging mitigations the handle country eight, five, six minutes, six edge ended up. Africa's Rugby Linda. So taken hospital. Design and. Not, in, the obstacles that somehow they design it so whether more information will come out about mitigation. Air Exchange, ventilation systems, and so on. United more evidence comes out maybe tweet slightly of his usual domino deception this now that will. Talk about experiences of other countries and how they tried to make the sacraments. Ethnic Germans in the South Koreans and so on a release information about how eight L. with issue. While the actual risk is so I think is developing. As a professional demands. More thorough investigation will arrests nationwide accounting on. This will only. Widen the Bank of. Just, excuse me ignorance here but my right and understanding certain. Sir and things that you have to stick to payment. You might know this better than me whereas solely private practice you can be a little bit more discretionary and go towards let's say the F.. Guidelines of what the BE APD INCAS I'm having conversations everyday. Obviously, I'm not going to mention any names and some people say look I'm using follow times of ten, fifteen twenty minutes and I know there's going down the you know the more rigid. So of sixty and longer follow time routes and an is is a assault of issues while independent Protestant do. This is what HFS guidelines, the half the state today's, and then there's the conundrum remix product is how Does out on out. A I'm not I'm not a big. Sensitive people people in patients includes everybody is in a patient. Acts of it's not just. Some people choose to have private. And They have. Actually, accessing second week air, I'm also yeah. That I chance and we have lots of patients that may be a bit of both. So I think fundamentally making autobiography NHL from private probably isn't going to hold well if you get scrutinized on your. On the way that you decide to interpret rules and regulations aren't they in A. Impasse the Indian air or not, and I'm not. Be By Imai. Ill. Feeling with sort of Latin level fall after a reason and. We should really humid EDUCA- Romania sent maybe Ingraham essential people having problems. You know we'll get less and waiting really sticking to more or not natively based model. Mitigating Times a level four. Maybe my community per Mitchell. As the alert? Of, the outside risk juices and make it as more scope. Again, I've mentioned ever have lost guidance. I if the PAT is really a legalization as always I'm led to believe. So having the GDP also accepted that you know in terms of health and safety, which is essentially is all into and you have only legal has issued. If I'm by by the public health. Even as a private practice on inaugural heart received if I regulation. The issue is whether. Having Robo size and challenged and so on and and you know how evidence is ill. Ultimately. In how an opinion on these things. But my opinion, as you probably have to follow the relationship, he was black why he? Ranch applications and that she had some senior figures or Intense know equal that were in a position of a rerun legislation on your new saw. You've obviously a know you. Focused person you ever see looking into the future and from the business perspective what you see happening with. Your contract and what you can do, what's going to be your tactics going forward you strategy going forward. That's a pretty broad question payment. Does anybody know? Ultimately depends on a number of things if GDP is our aren't the tanking economy is. GonNa. Be Mitigated. Olga. Me Go. On what happened in asking? To nominate, we do remember two thousand. It was a it was. A Hey. and. My My. Is is probably an eight again I how much feed at Nov think it had found beginning all sense of security at is stage in. Said mitigate and it might be better tied his maybe. As great as it was hot, it's a very difficult issue. The SL of what we did it will continue because the demand little is Aaron required to serve as equal Ob- issues and and the need to have. A happy to do. Fighting the contracts to the change. Is the million dollar question I mean now Everything I was reading seem to eight. Contract would change you know. What happened in Wales and? Leading between the lines you know. Seemed, to, hint. Change in the air and the appetite was and For. Ten years since Jimmy Steel. Laroche's. I'm unsure about? Defining it become generally and starchy too. Maudlin. and. That's always been. A never been able to go. And possibly as time profession to change a system. is where. It could be cost us. As my only again has. To do with. How would you say? You were the king of the you with a CD? Oh, how would you structure and Hsen private A death, you can look at the models. French. A huge NHS. very well for them. Off. On the edge then certain aspects they take out checks by eases engine, and so on. So you never various models around your people look to. The prevention based approach to the way pool you be. remunerated prevention but after. Bucked it has to be okay sign as as a National Health Service actually today. I think at the moment is not skewed towards activity. Leading up to go down eventually do it just depends on whether they`re In, relation to a folded. and. Other. Going to spend any more money. Doesn't seem clear and we were talking to Wilson and he was saying look, it's two and a half percent of healthcare spending is fatigue. So we'll best spending. And I know by the way. It's even with saying if you king of the world, what would you do because you're not and and and the world doesn't change like that the world changes incrementally. But it's been sick for a long time. And I think time is a good time to reflect on what we can change and by the way also stuff dominic speed talking about about. I see you. You've really managed well in this period right? You've done. Give us moves quickly and you're the guy. Doesn't complain and takes care of business, but we let down over. We've been at Tomba. Deregulation. Let. Over defense organizations. We're pretty pours now. Is the time for for for the professional l., the LDC system when you guys from having these conversations. Kamisese lobby at upset in what we do in terms of discussing issues. But yeah, it's a very difficult question to answer I mean I think that you've got it. People's L. Care our full from. My job. Ask why we do a a, you know able to help us to be at the forefront so. Any system you design has to be based around Haitian care make sure is a service that we deliver as in line with. What we should do to. Prevent problems full it's. By. The INTERVENTIONIST THOUGHT TO BE A. That some disjointed combs from various aspects of the profession over this time but you have to piece it together, I? Think it'd be to the LDC network again on. About it's Hard. It's Napa you know if I can take. Make. Providing information for politicians intended trying to decide the through. So accurate information guidance is coming through. Saturday we've tried sees of cake through the relevant business information and asked about issues all levy as constituents in receiving information in a timely fashion, but it doesn't help if information as sometimes they would not. OFF GIVES. Back kind of physicians as they tribunals are trying to extract visions, Edmund from love organizations has taken time as well. As I said. The he didn't have decided who is kind of Winnie. Based on on some guidance and announced all the map was reading. Reading. Workout then new out is nothing. Experience most of the partitions now. Frustration May. Be as come out from. Having to go back to business auto constantly have to make adjustments because gardens. the guidance and then trying to decide which one trump which because he might actually give an opinion. You'll unexpected his which translates a waiting for someone else to come out. Of. The Position, little the other physicians not view needed that islands legitimacy. Out So then you know that enemies scrutiny is you know find. That this is a this is what? It's. been a huge in the challenge A. Practice practice this actually. Associate have have to adjust to different, bothered wacky and so on. So. I think any any change of breeds fair as New England. About Change. But I think the way to deal with issues to be level headed in just to see around. Where'd you on the conspiracy versus incompetence kind of? Debate. Is. When we know. Dot Gov on the idea about where I think house wants to go with and a in everybody goes at two cents and that's why again as you said, it would be sort of redesigning the whole image assistant. On the call ups, I really find Mitchell was that will never happen is simply too expensive to I'm Ben Oh, including additional funding but then Sort of. Starting to get trickles a factor that obviously there was thinking about the background and you know it wasn't opportunity s he said it ended up in the. Show. But then again, they came back with you know he probably GonNa. Go back to activity at my my hopes less dash somewhat. Naturalist squad generic and said, it will not end so. Only. Compensation Gabby opening from Ebonyi Negotiates Office profession giving me. So it's also the aibling education and they give you open Initial in that position sitting around able Yemeni. Position. All we can do from the grass of our level, which is the ground level, just a our Evil famous cross that. That isn't somebody to something about. A book it's called the shock doctrine. Does Mundi as well. It's all about when visit win the crisis. That's a good time to make a massive social change. Again whether by the way whether it's you know like a pre four out fake or plans already. Of course, there's plans in place and the must be people saying, well, now's a good time but it. Can See I can see that happening. I full the opening the southern decision to open. Had as much to do with Dominic Cummings as problems as anything else because they announced a bunch of stuff that day on the Tak- and on the road does you know that's how government tends to work news flu management and so on. Breath. Conspiracy theorist. I think for me I hear lots of things from lots of dentists, Ryan, and You know listen to lots of Dominic, listened a lot of safe and a lot of my clients while in they're all saying different things. My approach has always been the everything that we do all actions we take. We should be following guidance and law, but at the same time. I. Truly believe that we should be following science as well. I think I think that's cave to me is is you know when when you look on, don't move you guys have been following stuff that light Ross Hobson's important. Now he's been filming spoke bombs in his clinic and stuff like that to say how quickly the players. And I think one of the things that's really clear to me is one thing that we're doing with every single patient was food the doors with doing this screen and which we did every single patient like they're a-walking Kobe time bomb, and so where we've got these clean down the leaving. So long for the dose declared everything why we've got the temporary chat we've got the question as we all of this and you know I am not the front line either so I can say a woman and I can say, well, you know what the follow time she'll be ten minutes or I think it should be less than not. Bull I think personally I think things will move in that direction I. Think as we asked, the evidence comes out more and more comes out I think things will shift over back to normality. I think the people who are making these decisions of also go you know law lot on there a big way till national shoulders what's if they were to make a decision tomorrow and somebody contracted Cova that was IDA did we? We mean you can having these conversations but you know super people who've been through president of GDP president of none of them seem to know where the answers were until until we finally got to this point of the chief financial officer. So the system system's broken and this is not the last time going to have appropriate them. There's GONNA be other types of problems whether it's again wannabees pandemic type or. Some sort of crash financial crash whatever advanced. Jimmy, what you thinking going forward what are your plans to Kinda guy who thinks ten years ahead for? You are you thinking of adding more than four practices what you're doing? I think this is being a chance to reflect his name is called. As call in the air and seeing how they full. I haven't got. Get a balancing lock. Is. The seven days a week eight. Could ask, can I ask you one question? Yeah, and he's a question up asking a lot of my friends colleagues, and still is is what has been your your biggest silver lining of covid minded mine focused around family life and appreciate and the kids and and get instant timing moments in life that that one percent I would have missed. Yeah and you can have paid any amount of money to take his time off work and do that. So it a law blessings there of you got any silver linings personally or professionally the come out of this that you could share with those. On your, your paid and probably just basically. Yeah. Spending vomiting caves actually they've been off we a little this as be nice to actually just ask. It's time is giving Mondays Williams blocked fun actually I know. Professional. To really look at business never looked. That much before. And I'm talking looking at the numbers like ray focusing punching down as numbers and making predictions and. Sometimes get complacent easy just kind of like. When he comes as either as molly may a naval gap is a bit complacent about? Something like this makes you really focus and. Sat. Down in front of that, is he looking as excel spreadsheets and just let numbers towels? have been a good thing and I think you make some changes in the practice is definitely. THINK THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE A. When on is sort of mess goes away eventually you know to go normality more in there. Will be positive change is not. Making you focus. So intensely is a good fit and you know it's something I wouldn't have done. Yeah I agree with you there in terms of you know when the trains moving and you've got this business in his move in always those days you have one dale get round to this one. They'll look at this one there look at that and all of a sudden the train stops moving you get off it and you're late able to walk around there and analyze what was wrong and say a change this these systems, these processes, this Daniel, and then June punished asmi thing. I'm so glad to have had a breathing space. So I think for me definitely systems and processes and Yes been it's been good. If England in in in many ways, it's council on the negatives. Certainly the family stuff I'm enjoying working from home. It's a nice mix from professionally look the reason why Jimmy's own this foot costs right now is because I called him as a licensed senator said, how's it going in Seoul and I wasn't doing left before. You know but those cools in a cold foam Mavis. To mytalk uses. I should have been doing mortars no upload. Listen simple thing like that of course, is all the financial side lucky apartment who takes care of that stuff is you? WanNa. Leash may yeah I'm more I'm were under. The control but. Anyway thanks for taking the time. It's been a real education I think thought very bright future if you're looking at the whole politics side of the dentistry, but you should because you provided more clarity than sliver. So the big guns the could take is media really refreshing to see that. Actually. Is Time Jimmy. Really appreciates a thank you bye-bye. Days is dental leaders. The podcast where you get to go one on one with emerging leaders in. Dentistry? Your host Peyman language I'm proudest. Thanks for listening guys. If you've got this volume must have listened to the whole thing and just a huge. Thank you both for me and pay for actually sticking through and listening to what we had to say and what guest is hard to say because I'm assuming you've got some value out of it. If you did get some value out of it, think about subscribing, and if you would share this with a friend with you think might get some value out of it to thank you so much for listening. 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The never-ending saga: Brexit delayed

The Economist: The Intelligence

22:51 min | 1 year ago

The never-ending saga: Brexit delayed

"Hello. And welcome to the intelligence on communist radio. I'm your host John produce invasive parliament every weekday. We provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world. Thailand is about hold its first election since the military seized power five years ago. The only hitch is that the generals are trying to influence the outcome and anyone who criticizes the ruling Royal family can be thrown in prison. And we have the onset to a question often asked of economists journalists, namely is it possible to use don's music to age whiskey. We take. But I. Last night in Brussels. European leaders rejected British Prime Minister Theresa May's request to extend Britain's departure from the EU by three months. Instead, they came up with the plan that spares Britain from crashing out the EU next Friday, March twenty ninth but only offers short reprieve European Council. President Donald toast announce plan decisions and visage to Salaya. In the first show. That this. If the withdrawal agreement is passed by the house of Commons next week. They will be uncomfortable agrees to an extension onto the ten second of my. But if MRs may cont persuade members of parliament finally vote in favor of the withdrawal agreement she painstakingly negotiated with the EU another scenario kicks in the second Salako. If there was agreement is not approved by the house of Commons next week. They're council agrees an extension onto the. Dentist's of April twelve. Why expecting to indicate the way forwards? That time line would give Britain about two more weeks to decide what to do if it can't agree withdrawal deal. If it does not negotiate a further extension. It would legally leave the EU without withdrawal agreement on April. Twelfth the economic consequences of that could be pretty terrible. Good morning. Mrs may made a statement after midnight appearing to accept the terms in order to provide time for the UK parliament to agree and ratify Brexit deal. The days of departure will now be extended to the twenty second of may. Amid the procedure and the announcements there were moments portrayed some emotion. Mrs may seem to admit that she made a mistake in a speech on Wednesday, implying members of her parliament were responsible for failing to approve a Brexit deal. I know MP's on all sides of the debate have passionate views, and I respect those different positions last night. I expressed my frustration. And I know that MP's offer straighted to they have difficult jobs to do and Donald tusk was asked whether the British MP's who failed to vote withdrawal deal deserved a special place in hell, according to our poll. The hell is still empty into. It means that a lot of faces. An aide proposed ending the press conference there, but European Commission. President Jean-Claude Janka got the last word don't go to. The memory levity belied the seriousness with which the EU is treating Britain's exit. It was a remarkable spectacle last night in the European Council building in Brussels where you had to reason they go into plea apparently rather unconvincing before European leaders before being told to ask to leave the room. So that the remaining twenty seven could discuss what would happen. Jeremy cliff reports from Brussels for the economist was previously the budget columnist covering British politics was just a an incredible reminder of how far Brexit has come from the sunny promises of taking back control. You had a British Prime minister sitting effectively an anti room for five dollars last night. While the leaders of other countries, discussed her country's political and economic fate. And what was the atmosphere like the talks yesterday? I'm sure you've been talking to sources who their diplomats who've been briefed. What did you leaders make of what MRs may had to say what happened afterwards the overwhelming impression and this encompassed both those who are inclined to be more generous to the UK and those who want to play. Hardball was of something close to despair. Theresa May's presentation yesterday afternoon, there was a sense that was communicated by diplomats coming out of the talks that Theresa May didn't really know what she would do if she lost another vote on her go, she aided bricks at deal in the house of Commons that she was a vase if that she was brittle and inflexible, and that's essentially, she alone could not be relied on to get this deal across the line. And I think out of that despair came this, frankly, quite magnanimous decision that Britain should be not only allowed a bit more time to work out. What course of action it wanted to take. But potentially quite a lot more time. There's talk of a long extension well into possibly next year. So that the Brits can actually develop a majority for a certain over Brexit where we are now is to resume has to get a deal through parliament. That's been rejected twice before you used to cover British politics. Does that seem like a feasible way out of this situation or we're going to be back here in a week's time and not in the short term? I mean, the looking across the channel and also talking to colleagues come over from London for the summit last night. It seemed extremely unlikely that Theresa May still would pass the Commons on a third vote. The question really is what happens next will she allow a series of indicative votes to take place, which could potentially suggest majorities for a certain course of action. There's been talk that a slightly softer Brexit would allow labor voters labor MP's to come on board and back, of course of action along with more moderate Tories, the greatest uncertainty and one of the subjects that was most being discussed in the USA slips just building. And we're all agendas, we gathered here in Brussels last night was what would Theresa May do having lost that vote again. And it's honestly very unclear there are some who say that she would prefer to exit the. E without a deal and cope with that the kale so that would entail. There are others that say that pragmatism will prevent on that she would endorse a long extension, and there are others say that she might simply resign and let a caretaker prime minister take over allow elections in the Tory party. And I was speaking to someone in London yesterday who knows her thinking pretty well on most matters. And his sense was that her opinion is on a knife edge about this. So some of the leaders mentioned the European elections elections to the European parliament as a factor in this time line. Can you explain what impact they have on the process? Yes. If Britain stays in the EU until you're elections, which start on the twenty third of may there's a lot of concern that that could cause legal uncertainty, and perhaps even chaos, and I think particularly people like Manuel mackerel. The sense was that Britain had to decide either. It was going to participate in those elections and possibly stay in the club. For for a while longer one source itself out or it has to be out clearly out of the cub by that point. And that that dictated the dates that they said so Britain has to make his mind up by the twelfth of April wears or not wants to just get on with exit. Whether with a dealer without whether it wants to stay in for quite longer in which case, it simply has to accept European elections. But certainly seen from this side of the channel that's something that will be quite hard to sell back in the UK Theresa make toll people time, and again that Britain will be out of the EU by this spring and bricks invited to vote in European elections in the summer would sit very strangely with those repeated commitments. So if we got the worst coast are Britain fools out Brexit's on April twelve with no deal. What does that mean for the UK? I mean, we know the civil services starting to implement no deal emergency measures. How how prepared is the country for that? My sense is it's not brilliantly prepared not least because these preparations have only have only been. Taking place really since about last summer. This talk of a crisis command unit being set up in a nuclear bunker below Whitehall, which some would say doesn't fill one's heart with reassurance. But and this will be a great logistical challenge. Before Britain's leaders if Britain does leave the EU without a deal. Not only would there be chaos at ports because suddenly Britain's trade and customs agreements would drop. It also have issues with things like financial regulation air traffic rules, all Britain's all codes, and the laws and regulations that automatically make Britain's relations with its close. Neighbours work would fall out of the sky. And I think that would people haven't really antiquated quite what the economic and the political consequences of that would be would be it would be searing moment in Britain's national history and could be transformative on on the country's politics. I mean, I I can. Recall only the the nineteen seventies crisis. When Britain was in a great diversity economical as a relevant comparison. I mean, it's the sort of crisis that could put the governing party out of power for generation, Jeremy. Well, let's keep fingers crossed. Thank you. Thank you. Five years of military rule. Elections will be held in Thailand on Sunday while this much anticipation. There's also some well-founded skepticism about how democratic these elections will actually be there is enormous excitement in Thailand at the moment about the fact that finally people are going to have an opportunity to kost vote. Maranda Johnson is our southeast Asia. Correspondent it's the first time that times have been to the polls in number of years, and certainly since there was a coup in twenty four teen. I went to several rallies supporting the type posse which is associated with Taksin should watch the acid, former prime minister. I also attended several rallies which were in support of palling pressure, which is a new party formed essentially to support the hunters bid to tame power in Thailand. And it's a lot of fun. There's music there's a little bit of Danzig this transmitting, of course, repeating. But overall, it's a very welcoming atmosphere regardless or most of the party that you're going to see speak. Can you give us the back story? How did Thailand get here? It's a longest HALE which really began in two thousand six when Taksin Shinawatra who was prime minister was ousted in a coup. And since then his supporters have been locked in a battle, then owners red shirts with more traditional elites in Thailand. Royalist deletes military -letes who are known as yellow shirts and in twenty four team a group of army generals shirts ousted a government run by Mr. Texans system. Of course, that inspired the protests. And the hasn't been election since may twenty fourteen when there was the coup. So this is the first time that time voters in a number of years have got a chance to const about it. So these elections are coming off to five years of military rule in Thailand, how free and fair they likely to be the one thing that the generals have learned it seems from the many many coups which taken place in Thailand over the past. Few decades is that they want to learn from the mistakes of others and hold onto power. This time round. They got a constitution passed in a very tightly controlled referendum in twenty sixteen which basically stacks the parliament in the favor of the regime. They've introduced onerous campaigning laws which may trip up. Opponents of the ruling junta we've also seen one party which supported Mr. tax in dissolved in recent weeks. So it's very difficult to be apoliticial running against the regime at the moment. So it's hardly a free and fair election. Why given all this why hold on election tool? Now, why does the military feel the need to have this kind of managed democracy rather than just carry on giving me orders themselves? So that's a very interesting question and a draws into one of the central mysteries of Thailand which concerns the monarchy in the role of the money in the power of the monarchy in the country. And the one theory is that king Vajiralongkorn who took over after his father died in twenty sixteen after a very long popular rain that the new king actually quite once. Elections and that he has served signalled from the taught that they should happen. Another theory is that as Thailand is the chairman of Aguillon this year the association of southeast Asian nations. It doesn't look good to be in that role. When you're not tomorrow, Chrissy, another thought is that the king whose coronation approaches in may wants to be crowned in country, which is back on the road to some semblance of democracy. So lots of theories being bandied about. You mentioned that at the rallies. You went to report at people seem pretty excited about getting the chance to vote again, all ordinary ties aware of the constraints around this election, how how unfree it's going to be. So that's precisely the question that I put to a lot of people at rallies, I went to in the northeast of Thailand in the past few weeks. I asked people to sort of give me a score on how open and how would affair. They thought. The election would be also, you know, how confident they are in it and no-one expressed full confidence in the election. Even people are rallies. Full Pailin pressure. Which is a party that's been created essentially to support the ruling regime, so even people considering enu supporting the status quo awfully aware that things are not as free and fair as they as they might have been in the past. Turn it could tie Riley's. The you have people's kind of much more inflammatory and chew statements and crowds were in fact, offs by some of the leadership who's afraid of the hunter. And then new thousands of people in the crowd putting up their hands in response. So I don't think that there is complete confidence in the integrity of this election. But I think at this point tie vote is of fatigue and something is better than nothing. It's important to emphasize isn't it that Thailand's democracy hasn't always been a basket case, you know, expectations on Thailand or bit higher when it comes to democracy than they are in some of the other countries in the region. Yes. And I think that for a long time it was one of Southeast Asia's most zap e and dynamic countries, and it was modernizing in a particularly impressive way was a role. Model of sorts and alongside that Tyler was the only country in southeast Asia to avoid being colonized. And it was the first become a democracy in nineteen thirty two so Thailand once led the way for other countries when it came to things like democracy and rule of law. And now we have a change situation and one in which Thailand has actually lost its way. Alright miranda. Thank you. Thanks. There are few things that startups have not try to creatively. Destroy entrepreneurs have changed how we work talk to each other. Even how we form. Now, a batch of startups taking on something that at least in the eyes of many people from Scotland and Kentucky considered almost secret whiskey. Henry Wilkins writes about all sorts of things for the economist. But recently, he's been thinking about new ways of making whisky, and he's got a bottle in. I try Henry what is this? So this is Hotson full grind bourbon. And how is that whiskey made is unusual because it's an age teasing music, in fact, is actually tops that music. Play Dopp set through low-frequency speak his place around warehouse, and it agitates the whiskey wall since in the barrel, and the idea is that by doing that, the whiskey we might more contact with your barrels more frequently and eight much quicker is also so yeah, this is top step aged. Let's let's go Henry, let me tell you. And I guess for the sake of impartiality, I would have myself. Right. Taste of whiskey. What do you think, you know? I'm not much for bourbon drink this the states pretty good to me could be the beginning of you'll ruin. Henry explained to us why this is a science story revenue boost ori- one of the characteristics of making whiskies that it needs to be aged for often around ten years to be considered decent whiskey. The salaries in the US are using new science and technology in order to speed up the aging process. Why would you wanna speed up the aging process? Anyway, I mean, there's been done a certain way for really long time tastes, pretty good. When it's done. Right. Well for one thing the aging process is expensive. Also makes it very difficult for trying recipes because obviously if you want to try a new flavor or whatever then you need to wait ten years for in order to Troy, it's and if it's bad than who've lost ten years, and if it's if it's good, then you've got another term we used way to make more. So there's all sorts of disadvantages. Henry it's not just dub step this being used to speed up aging of whiskey. There's some other fancy techniques as well. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. There's there's a whole raft of different techniques. Like inserting flavor. Rings from yeast Pont Bauer woods into an ethanol. There's a whole raft of techniques that are being tried and Henry how drinkers received these funk Louis aged bruise, obviously, there's different kinds of drinkers Cerny for the caller Sirs some of the whiskeys probably most of these fast, h whiskies raise a few eyebrows to put it lightly, but others getting excellent views like loss. Birds creates a whiskey called abomination says the law, and that has actually been very well received is actually caused some wards. How is that made? That is probably the most interesting from a science point of view. They actually put years of research into figuring out the way that the whiskey reacts with would in the barrel. So the woods it breaks down as the whiskey ages. And as it does. So it takes out a lot of the unpalatable parts of the whiskey and also puts in love palatable parts as well. The crucial thing according to these guys. Law spirits is the woods being broken down in the whiskey, and they use what they call the reactor which heats the whiskey, and they also apply a lights to the whiskey as well. So speeding up the aging process. Sounds like you would be able to sell the whiskey much cheaper. Right. Is that what happens in practice or these whiskey still really expensive impractical at this stage? No, that's not what happens the whiskeys of roughly similar cost-wise to produce as barrel age whiskies. But we obviously have to Ramon that they're being produced on very small scale at the moment. Guys. Low spirits is saying that is done on much bigger scale, and it would become cheaper than parallel. Right. Well, choose to. Thanks henry. That's all for this episode of the intelligence, you can subscribe to the economist economist dot com slash radio offer twelve issues for twelve dollars twelve pounds see back here on Monday.

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1034: Is It Risky Borrowing Money To Invest? by Chris Reining on Margin Investing & Investment Portfolio Advice

Optimal Finance Daily

07:53 min | 9 months ago

1034: Is It Risky Borrowing Money To Invest? by Chris Reining on Margin Investing & Investment Portfolio Advice

"The quick we recommend listening to this. Show on spotify where you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free without a premium account. spotify has a huge huge catalog of podcasts. On every imaginable topic. Plus you can follow your favorite podcasts. So you never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to off off lime wherever and whenever and easily share what. You're listening to with your friends on instagram. So if you haven't done so all right be sure to download the spotify APP search for optimal finance finance daily on spotify or browse podcasts. In the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow me so you never miss an episode of optimal finance daily. This is optimal finance daily episode. Ten thirty four. Is it risky borrowing money to invest by Chris Rining of Chris RINING DOT com. And I'm Dan I'm your host and this is where I read to you from some of the best blogs on personal finance. I'm here every single day bringing you this great content including weekends and holidays. We've actually got five shows where we do this same format but covering different topics so you can search for optimal living daily wherever you're hearing this to find all five of our narration style. Dial podcasts but for now let's get right to our post from Chris as we continue optimizing your life is. Is it. Risky borrowing money to invest by Chris Rining of Chris Rining DOT COM. Today's question comes from Jeremiah. He asks quote. Hey Chris obsessed with your website and advice keep up the great work. I had a question I wanted to run by you. I was looking online at smaller loans and came across some pretty decent terms and had an idea. I wanted to see what you thought about. I can borrow fifteen thousand dollars or possibly more for around three percent interest for three to five years my choice and and was considering doing this and investing that cash into ETF's index funds mutual funds. ETC Now I know the first reaction is probably. Why would you borrow money to invest vest? Fair question my thought process is I can borrow this money at three percent interest and more likely than not be able to get a much greater return than three percent over that three to a five year term. Maybe I'm just being really naive here. Please tell me if that's your honest opinion but I'm really wondering if you think this would be a good idea. Can you help me see where my faults vaults are. If you don't agree and quote since eighteen seventy one. The stock market has returned about nine percent. People will say the market won't have those same returns going forward. That's fine people have been saying lots of things for a long time still wouldn't you're talking about doing is a bad idea and I'll tell you why no one on this planet. Economists analysts strategists nowhere. The market is headed in the short term. On average the market falls ten percent once a year about twenty percent every four or five years and about thirty percent every decade. So can you tell me what happens when you borrow fifteen thousand dollars your investments rise nine percent the next two years but then falls fall save twenty percent. Here's the math. The first year your fifteen thousand rises to sixteen thousand three fifty the second year. Seventeen thousand eight twenty two two and the third year falls to fourteen to fifty eight now. Your loans do in reality. That's not how this would work alone. Requires you to make monthly payments commits. You're constantly selling investments investments. That need to be a taxable brokerage account. So you're also paying short term capital gains tax the way investors typically typically borrow money to invest is with margin. You apply for margin in your brokerage account borrowing money from your broker. Let me tell you a story about margin. There was this twentysomething thing investor who bought a small amount of this biotech stock called Salaya. The stock started doing well so he continued buying more but this time using margin all of a sudden the stocks doc started falling from a high of two hundred seventy six dollars. He's thinking what idiots and uses margin to buy more shares. He can't believe it when it falls to one seventy he. He buys more stunned as it falls to one fifty he buys even more and when it finally hits one thirty. He sells every other stock. He owns raising all the cash he can Dan and margins himself to the Gills. He's convinced the stock is going to rebound and when it does. He's going to make a massive prophet. It then falls to eighty five dollars at this point. His broker is forced to sell his entire position in order to cover his margin debt. Yeah he's sixty thousand dollar brokerage account which took three years to build is wiped out in just two a week's worse he now owes his broker fifteen hundred dollars as for Sarah. It was eventually acquired at eight dollars. You see investing really has nothing to do with money. It's mostly about avoiding bad decisions. And I started using decision trees to help with this after all I'm human and make emotional and psychological mistakes just just like everyone else. Here's a personal example. I like keeping three to five years of living expenses in cash. Should that be sitting in cash in a money market fund or invested did. What's the best decision decision number one cash? Earning zero percent one thousand dollars times. One is one thousand dollars. Decision Decision number two money market funds. Earning two percent one thousand dollars times one point zero two equals one thousand and twenty dollars decision number three invested earning nine percent one thousand dollars times one point nine he qu'ils one thousand and ninety dollars. Investing is the best decision but also also the only decision that involves risk remember on average the market falls ten percent every year about twenty percent every four or five years and about thirty percent every decade okayed. And because there's no way to predict if you're going to get caught in a decline in need to incorporate uncertainty into the decision. Here's how you do that. Let's say you think there's a forty percent chance. The market falls ten percent leaving you with nine hundred dollars and a sixty percent chance. The market goes up nine percent. And you'd have one thousand ninety dollars to who evaluate this decision. You need to work backwards. Nine hundred dollars times point. Four plus one thousand nine hundred times point six equals one thousand fourteen dollars worse. This means you'll probably get worse. Returns from investments earning nine percent one thousand fourteen dollars then from a money market funds. Earning two percent one one thousand twenty dollars decision trees aren't perfect but they are a useful tool to think through options to make the best decision. Make sense we've been in a bull market. Since since March of two thousand nine the market has returned over three hundred percent so anyone invested in this timeframe has made money. And if you've been borrowing money to make money using using margin it's magnified those gains your spouse thinks you're smart. Your friends are jealous. And you're sitting there. Thinking borrowing money to invest. Was a good decision. Okay but but what happens when the market falls like Warren Buffett famously said only when the tide goes out. Do you discover. Who's been swimming naked? Sir Sir. You just listened to the post titled. Is it risky borrowing money to invest by Chris Rining of Chris rining dot com and a real quick thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute podcast for you so it can be heard everywhere spotify a apple podcast Google podcasts. And many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools. Allow you to record and edit your podcast so it sounds great download. The anchor occur APP or go to anchor Dot F._M.. To get started and that'll do it for this installment of optimal finance daily hope. You have a happy rest of your day and I'll see you back here tomorrow. For the Thursday show where your optimal life awaits.

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Throwback: LG Vandenberg - Blockchain, CTOs & Silicon Valley

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

23:50 min | 1 year ago

Throwback: LG Vandenberg - Blockchain, CTOs & Silicon Valley

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Giving away ten dollars worth of free beacon for H verified user, once they make their first deposit. Just go to coin spot dot com that I you foresaw. Bay. Tasty one-two-three. Traded to Cobb crypto show talking business influx. Jane? Hello, everybody. I'm welcome to the try to come crypto shy. Another amazing guests with us before we get to that guys. I to let you know that this show is sponsored by try to cub dot com. We can go across the website and gather all your crypto trading education aids. Make sure to join up to the free by weekly video news that we can plug into myself my team all things trading. Crypto tonight's guests at Laon Gerard Vandenberg. Otherwise known as L J. He is the CTO and platform, even jealous full Celaya, Australia. Thank you so much with this LA thank you really good to be on the show might to on very fascinated by the project that you've got here with Celaya before we get into that. You just want to give it a little bit of an introduction on yourself, you background. And how you go into the space. Yeah. My background is I guess widened varied I grew up on a farm in Canada. When to a top engineering school after deciding that, you know, working hard on the land was probably half my life. You know to the vagaries of weather in the markets being. Big farm, boy was not going to be worth it. I was head hunted into defense. And I spent a good bit of time in Adelaide doing some work in early stage wireless, and I created a smart card system with a very good team out of Adelaide called US navy cash that was a centralized money pool, and I've been dealing with embedded devices security platforms things, like smart cards, and sim cards and making things work using type of crypto strategies before crypto was money. So when bitcoin came along dove in with both feet, and this is really a combination of my learning to decades in crypto, and you know, I guess seven years now in in the blockchain space, and it sounds like you've kind of pain on nurtured almost to be the right man wrought, Tom in the rot spice, which is which is really really good to have. There's no doubt. Let's get into Celaya of a good chat with you. And a couple of different events do happen to share the same. City which we very fortunate to one part of the world, and Sydney, and I wanna learn more about Celaya say could you just tell us a little bit about what you're trying to achieve with Salah. And effectively what Celaya actually is. Yeah, we'll Salora is both a technology stack. And that technology sack will will be get type of platform play and Celaya is really based on this sort of concept of taking a an IOT sensor and minting crypto as energy is created on top of a solar panel. I was a bitcoin minor early on. I got in a pretty early with bitcoin mining. I lost a bunch of coins at Cox, but that's a different story and the learning in the sort of issue in the back of my head was that how how can I make blockchain math happened by producing green energy? And ultimately Solaire is a platform that will turn into an energy genitive blockchain. What we mean by that? We we put a sensor on each solar panel. And as a little heartbeat of energy goes to the panel. It streams electrons. When the when the sunlight hits the panel, we trade take a little data set a little mathematical proof as. That energy goes through the solar panel, and the optimizes that most solar panels have this is quite unique because we're creating a mathematical property, right or mathematical proof as the energy is produced we chain one mathematical proof to another prior proof. And we we start to make these little mathematical data sets off the soda panel. We accumulate those before they hit the the inverted that most solar panels will need to to produce the a marketplace for electrons. But we also creating a data set a very big data set for machine learning and ultimately forecast ability and and stability of of the solar farm production. You you need to be able to predict when to dispatch electrons. And that's really what our Celaya harbor models. Do. So Lara harbor Mon does are the sensor, and they have this little sim card or security element of inside it as well. And this combination of my learning and in the industry. Sorry. And I guess taking a different flip on what is bitcoin mining? We call it proof of fusion rather than proof of work, and these little mathematical proofs accumulate and provide the real practical use the first practical uses shared ownership of the solar panel. We can do crowdfunding of solar. Anyone who owns a token of the solar panel project can really earn a right to both the electron yield and the data market yield office solar far more a small community solar project. And that surely the the main news case horizon one of these little Celaya platform models. Solaro hardware modules. Is it that the data that you're collecting, obviously, you've sort of covered multiple facets just the data collecting is that really to help to optimize the best output for H of the solar panels and different various parts and not just strategy, but the world. Yeah. Ultimately, we're starting in Australia because the I guess as very good price opportunity to be innovative in the marketplace. We've got the most expensive energy in the developed world, and we have lots of solar. So that we cease solar industry is a best way to play this IOT sensor market, and we picked energy because it's a it's a really democratizing type demand. We we want to give people access to to the solar panel data and to the solar production yields and what we're doing is really providing this fractional ownership of the asset and a fractional ownership of the offtake the data's necessary. So that we can provide this. Innovation. This permission list? Innovation behind the smart meter most retailers capture all of the electrons in any sort of market opportunity after the smart meter, so we're really providing an innovation layer where people can participate in in the marketplace behind the meter, and this is for solar communities and solar farms, and it allows a different type of ownership strategy in the solar industry. I let let's talk about this ownership strategy because that's what fascinates me. Okay. So it's not just in a strive, but globally strikes have very good market for this because the the process here horrible, the Sola output is immense. The spice is huge. We could literally power the whole world. I think with all the spice that we have that we could put solar panels, and that's just in the desert not talking about roofs. We've got a huge resource that we saying to be neglecting salawah is one of the projects at that. That is trying to help the tap that to create new varmint where we incentivize projects to build more Sola and also to provide. From what you're saying? It'd be iron ship of that and sort of funding full that now from my point of view what I find interesting, and I want to touch on more is on the try to ominous investors is an investment portfolio. If you want to be able to sort of take the foot off the gas, retire, all you have complete freedom of your life, which is affecting what trading investing and businesses for you want to sort of live the life that you wanna live you need to have a yield providing the yield providing acid is essentially somewhat of the passive income. Now, what you're saying is Celaya provides the utility hulda eight invested in the in the of femme, the panel, whatever it might be with a yield. That's what I find very interesting. I think what the listeners will find very interesting. Do you have an idea roughly on what that yield will be? Yeah. Yeah. So the Salaya platform right now, we're offering tokens as utility token. The Tivoli token becomes a project in that. That project token is really where the yield is rule of thumb in the in the solar communities in solar. Green funds is around seven to nine percent return for seven to ten year period, and that's the kind of passive sidecar investor type yield that all you need to do provide a factual started bit of money, and you can participate in these green projects most of the time in in these community entity projects and solar farms, the the debt instrument or the debt side of the project locks you in for seven or ten years. And we're we're trying to do is to provide. Of course, a token economy approach to this where there's liquidity post issuance of the project. So there's a secondary market. In fact, the Celera platform will will be a market of mobile solar farm. Each solar farm will have their own yield characteristics. Each solar farm would have their different stakeholders and community models for returns and returns don't to be money or electrons. They could just be a benefits for community. I it's fine. Interesting. So you're talking about a pretty decent. Looking yield them even people that have invested in property if you can get seven to nine percent, you're doing absolately amazingly. And that's kind of in your commercial. One example is, you know, Vick super own part of the Ross river project in Queensland along with hasta. So the Ross river project is a very big solar farm over one hundred megawatts. They they have a guaranteed return as the debt provider for that solar farm, but that that's a super company. What what we're trying to do is use blockchain technology to take the financing technology stack out of the hands of merchant bankers and put it in the hands of consumers and even your own self manage Superfund. So this is the ultimate Sansa. We have in our in our market entry model, I is creating the infrastructure and then later on with project partners finding a way to to craft a yield on this for for each product. Unless very interesting I wanna ask Momo quite won't question. What is another question building on this lower modeling, obviously, you think you're you are at a rising point right now, which you you can bring up in this question as well. Let us know whereabouts. The the the project is at but your hotness ships. You know, you'll going to need to have a lot of them. You guys you need to have a consistent amount of partnerships for this to work unless you're just gonna go. They bought the land and create the farms, you're gonna wanna work with Seoul. So what partnerships? Have you got in lawn at the moment, and how quickly can you sort of from the end of your rise instantly going stop running this model? A we're we're getting ahead. Serie already with projects, and we have partnerships with that are people that are already active in the solar installation market three sixty utilities base out of Ikaria and power volts, a global here in New South Wales in Queensland, we're working with people that already are on the tools that use existing solar panel a vendor mix and and also a type of storage strategy to us to allow us to put our sensors in the in their various installations and progress forward from there where in discussions with singleton solar farm, which is based out of singleton just outside of Newcastle as well to start with a capability there to put a are sensors on on their solar farm, which is four hundred kilowatts, but they want to upgrade to four megawatts or five megawatts of capability. So there's a number of different community models and infrastructure models that we need to scale into building a business that can scale. We we want to be on the guy. That assist. The people on the tools, we we're not going to be building solar panels where we're going to be providing the technology to measure them. And this allows us to be not so capital intensive and allows us to scale a standard in a way in Australia. There is no standards for this kind of stuff. So we're we're trying to be the the the industry best of breed way to to provide measurement in shared ownership across solar farms and solar projects, I call them on whereabouts. Are you in the the project is fires from you know, obviously there is a an outsource project when you're trying to rise. Now, what were you with that you at you type where I we're in a private token sale in private equity placement. This is not a public kind of offer yet so disclaimers. You can read when when you see my video presentations on YouTube, but we've been through wholesale investor and we've been through a bit about a token promotion, we're in discussions with. Let's call it. Crypto whales and industry partners that are active in both the crypto space, and and securitise tokens and people that want to provide this kind of packaging for their industry stance on market entry into Australia. There's other retailers and other technology providers that want to enter the Australian market they view this from the outside looking in as very lucrative. So we're we're in discussions to get our minimum raise which is five million US for for tokens in a million dollars in equity, and we've made Celera Australia public unlisted company in preparation to do a crowd source fund as well. So we really want to offer two things in the market when we're ready for public stance. It'll be a public sale for a token, which is a utility token called the soul token and then an equity ownership by crowdsource funding. If you want a piece of the business, and that'll be through a platform like on market or equitize or adventure crowd and. Those sorts of platforms. Ultimately, we want to participate in our project funding downstream to to build this market of solar projects. So the question that on either a lot of people that'll be listening right now will be thinking is what's the difference between Celaya way power electrify Powell job? I mean, that's that's we need to know that. So obviously go to point in different. So let us know what it is. Yeah. So we provide these mathematical proofs the certificate of origin that these electrons created this digital asset on the panel right now power ledger. You know, they they've been very successful props to them. They're building a team at a Perth in other projects amendment. They would be able to take our output from the solar panel and put that into their trading system. Electrify asia. We've been in discussions with with Michael Lim and those guys they're on another going concern. Very good good participation with the crowd sale. They would take our. Green asset and put that into green PPA for supply to to corporate in Asia. So we provide a necessary technical ingredient for these type of blockchain trading platforms. We're not going to be a trading platform. People are doing that already are are synthetic built off the solar panel plugs into the energy web foundation energy web dot org, which is a fork of theorem that that really works as a type of ecosystem blockchain. It's an industry alliance that uses Blockchain's to provide these other value services in a blockchain trans active type rid, and we're the guys I want to be the the people that legally perfect the energy asset class coming off of solar. And then later on downstream was storage and other renewable sources, so we're really skewed our behavior into renewables, whereas, you know, power ledger is doing the same. They have to trust the smart meter and in our proof. We we. We prove entrust, the solar panels. It's distributed route of trust. It doesn't come down to the panel or soy to the smart meter company. And these smart meters also are not really accurate at some point. You can't go have a fight in the in the courts, you know, about some smart meter, log discussion, you have no friends at grade data to to provide proof on on your generation side. So this lose lots of ways that we provide additional value in in the ecosystem, and eventually the energy markets will start to trade on five minute animals right now is that thirty minute interval with five minute updates and we provide interval data of five minutes. And this resolution is really what's coming off the panel for future forecasting. So this is really where our differences ours that we got certified green electrons. It will flow downstream to corporate Australia that people. Want green PPA's instead of greenwashing in saying that the Ryan green energy they'll be able to prove it. So there's a range of ways that we provide value in a different way than power ledger or electrify or we power, and you can affect the plug into what they it already. Ron. Yeah. We just want the ecosystem to grow, and we want to give this democratize access when you meant a solar certificate off a approached with our sensors you own these as a property right is not a contract. It's it's a property right of virtual property. Right. Australia is the best place to do this. We've got the strongest property rights laws in the world. So I thought a question that I asked to all against across the shy is we get compared quite a lot to the internet's a with duck chine nine thousand nine hundred thousand was sort of the modern up Tyke all of a bicycle the incident. Comex bang down on that whereabouts. Do you think we are with blockchain now, comparing Noni nine hundred hundred thousand that's the sky already think? We are. I know what's happening under the hood. An lots of these projects we are still at three hundred Baud modem you can watch the transactions. You know, go through the the market. We're just like watching those LED lights on my three hundred Baud modem. I could see the packets going out out to the copper, and of this is really where we are in three hundred Baud modem stage where we're not even nearly nine ninety six hundred or what happened after that nineteen to my Hayes modem, this is where we are the the markets still need sui evolve that they'll be platforms that move transactions. Very quick. So the energy web foundation is backed the parody build by Gavin. Would it runs a a system called proof of thority for its trading network on that runs? Very fast, you know, three seconds settlements. So this will start to get faster and the pipes will get fatter and what we're trying to provide is this hardware proof of proof. Of fusion that is really unique no-one no-one can unbathed that mathematical proof, that's minted on your solar fennel. So it's still in the that are in the nineties. We're in the early nineties, you know on. Yeah. I got started. I got started in Canada on an x eleven packet network. That was CompuServe. So my my my entry path into the internet was very slow. You know is very expensive phone bills. I'm very expensive CompuServe bills to to figure this. So I'm not that. I can the Goodall dies by will look it's been an absolute pleasure. Having you on the shy Leon. I'd like to ask you to let everybody who's listening know exactly where they can. Find more information about yourself the project and how to take pot if that's what I wished to sure please hit our website and register for a telegram group. Sola SO L A R, A dot CO. Slash whitepaper will get you are whitepaper slash flyer. Will get you into our flyer slash telegram. We'll get you into our telegram Rupe? I'm on Twitter. A tweet profusely about things. I like don't like some of my opinions. There are my opinions and other companies and I'm at at Leon underscore Vanenburg. I'm an S my Twitter handle Celaya. Also has a Twitter handle Celaya underscore. I. Oh, and thank you. It's an absolute pleasure. That's Bank having a chat with the understanding. The Salaya stri project. I wish you all the best scaling Ford. All no doubt Ciaran as a matter of fact, ladies and gentlemen, Leon I believe obey the bitcoin blockchain Fay in Melvin coming up this weekend. Yes. So we'll be took dice come common. Say hello. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3) A Girl Dad!

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3) A Girl Dad!

"Don't let winter boss around your car's engine use pennzoil synthetic motor oil made from natural gas. Not Crude oil gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is is in the pennzoil based on sequence four aware tests using SAS five W. thirty good morning everybody. Good Morning Los Angeles. Good Morning. Gentlemen I don't know for quite hey to the whoop whoop stage of the evolution of the emotions but we're getting closer. We certainly getting closer. Let me get on a basketball court. Travis Yeah let me get some buckets. Let me hear the jump over somebody younger than me. After Brussels dust off my shoulder might get a little boop boop I might be back being gay for you plenty Linnea Bowl. I may just actually just come in just dip yourself body. What's that smell just play hoop? Yesterday's it's right. That's right I I you know. I guess this is the way that it's supposed to work that when something terrible happens that eventually you start to remember all the good stuff and focused less on what happened focused less on The terrible terrible accident that took place on on Sunday morning Because we've it. It's been fun to talk about God. Kobe's final game to talk about all the wonderful things that he meant to a lot of different people. You heard Michael Wilpon right. That story about him Kobe coming back into the locker room after having a big night and kind of give him a hard time. Because you know you think a wellborn you think Jordan. They're they're they're linked forever Like your boy would have been able to do that. So it's perfectly Koby and it's such a great story. No it is in in as Mike. Wallace t ended up getting ready to tell the story. I kit already. I've already kind of knew that he was as he was saying. And I'm like yeah. He went to him and told him a bitchy Jordan couldn't do that. Because that's the way professional athletes we process if it's if it's your rival it's your you know that that guy is linked to him. You know it's just like I bet you he could do that. You know you Rosh in in in morale is always try and tease me about. T- Oh yeah I have to say well yeah. I didn't play with those quarterbacks. Six in idea when it you know so it's tongue in cheek type thing because that's what we do sure it's just a just a perfect storm though. It's quintessential Kobe Bryant. I it's quintessential Kobe Bryant the athlete and the more that we hear people talk in the more that we see videos and everything else you realize is that there were quintessential Kobe Bryant the father moments as well and the way that he approached his career as an athlete is the way that he approached fatherhood. Good this way. The approach really everything that he ever did his entire life with this incredible intensity and dedication to doing it as best as absolutely can and L. Dunkin who. I'm sure a lot of you know from sportscenter. ESPN told a story about the time that she met Kobe Bryant and it speaks to his enthusiasm for being a father and to being a a father two little girls. It's likely that you're hearing any personal anecdotes about Kobe Bryant. So here's my Kobe. One time backstage at an event for ESPN spion in New York. I saw him I thought. Oh my gosh. That's Kobe. I gotta get a picture for the Graham. That's the picture at get it for a few minutes. Because as I approached coached him he immediately commented on my rather large eight month pregnant belly. How are you how close are you? What are you having a girl I said? And then he high five me with the best. I asked him for advice on raising girls seeing as though he quite famously had three at the time and he said. Just be grateful that you've been given that gift because girls Are Amazing his third daughter. Bianca it was about a year and a half old at the time so I asked if he wanted more children and he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy but was sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl and I was like four girls. Are you joking what would you think how would you feel and without hesitation. He said I would have five more girls if I could. I'M A girl dad. When it comes to sports he said that his oldest daughter was an accomplished volleyball player and that the youngest was a toddler so TVD Abd but that middle one he said that middle one was a monster? She's a beast. She's better than her age. She's got it that middle one of course was Zhijie when I reflect on this tragedy and that half an hour that I spent with code we brought two years ago. I suppose that the only small source of comfort for me is knowing that he died doing what he loved most a big that being a girl. Dad's that's L Duncan from. ESPN in that line on a girl. Dad Ad is awesome awesome. It absolutely is awesome. It goes back to the story. The He retold in terms of people coming to them saying you need a boy to keep your legacy going and you know like I got this. I'm good I'm good. I'm just GonNa keep going and that's what I meant earlier when I talked about the spotlight. And the way he's using his platform formed highlight the women's game. You know for a lot of spent fans who regardless of gender definitely guys. They feel like if you don't have a guy to carry your name and play in in your league that what you did in the sport it's GonNa fall away and coby didn't feel that way he felt the WNBA. If you respect it what those athletes put into their craft was was carrying on his legacy. The Mama mentality wasn't Abou- killing the NBA. The moment mentality was about maximizing where you are right doing the best you could in that moment. You know I'm an instant evaluative talent in not because this is Kobe Ryan's daughter but but I can just look at her form. The things that she was doing higher skill set is obviously thirteen. She's will continue to grow and get better at every single step faster quicker everything but you could tell she because she was going to call me a little bit of like. Oh yes she's straight. I'm not worried about that. The one that we saw a lot last night was the one where her kind of leaning into her dad with his with her shoulder right. It was like Aka a thirteen year old female version of him with and it was perfect. It was exactly what either just genetically was born board into her or he had drilled that move in her perfectly. Because you look at it like Oh yeah. That's what Kobe does. It was perfect. You know it'd be great that all the ex NBA players who have daughters like Kobe. Who are playing basketball a Kobe? Continue to push that forward. Not because you're pandering but because you're working with your child so you know more than anyone a hard she's worke to reach a certain level and so you shine light on that to shine light on the work ethic and dedication to the craft into the game. It'd be wonderful to see the other man you know Tracy's got a daughter traits. Graham speaking of I mean to see those athletes pour for into their child and watch them grow. He might go on the way we go. Oh that song so sign you go are there so and so's daughter and I think a lot of guys are doing it. That's why they're coaching. Ah You team. That's why the U C Kobe. You see Tracy McGrady. There's other guys with daughters and they're they're being a part in an active part of their sport and what they're doing because they believe in it. Well it you know. It's it's there was nothing about his enthusiasm for that that that rang hollow. No it was entirely authentic that his enthusiasm for her game the enthusiasm for the women's game. The enthusiasm awesome for the the Yukon program that the WNBA it just. It wasn't just. Oh Okay I have girls therefore all kind of pay attention to this because and now they're into it so I'll go along for the ride and whatever but I know where the real basketball is. It wasn't that at all you could tell he was very had developed a relationship chip Geno Auriemma. One of the great women's you always daughter to Long Beach State. Go to uconn clipper whatever. Trooper's version of women's basketball franchise Lee. She realized that. That's the program that yeah you don't have to be able to go. Hey Go play for the rich richer man. That's good. That's all take her and I'll take her and I'll take her thank you very much. We'll see in the watch the game they had the USA on the road. They they absolutely did all right. David phys Dell is GONNA join US next and we'll continue our conversation about Kobe. Bryant with coach David Fishtail. That's coming up on the morning show on seven ten. ESPN alright so we spent Yesterday kind of trying to figure out exactly what had happened in sort through a whole bunch of different emotions today is is a little bit different. We've spent a lot of time talking about some of our favorite memories and what he meant to all of us and what he meant to the city into the NBA and joining us right now to continue. The conversation is coach coach. David Hale who joins US right now coach. Good morning how are you today. Good Morning. I'm still really you know. They'll try to China. Wrap my mind around all of this stuff you know. Yeah I know it it Especially for somebody that is from southern California area grew up Fremont high school singing Kobe Bryant from grow up from a teenage student all the way up to hall of fame. NBA Player post careers. Well where were you added time fears that you heard about the tragedy. I was I was in our spot in. LA and It was just a very very more like a a a Toyota delay like that morning we woke up and my wife raise the blinds and And she does. A God is so cray outside today and for whatever reason I took a look outside and it was just like in the valley. It was like soup and I called my boy. You Know Todd my best friend at school but by the time man. I can't make lunch today. You know let's do it tomorrow. 'cause I was just you know you fill in a certain certain way. And then right after that Amina call from. Espn they'd have you say TMZ. And I said no and my wife was on on our social media and she said I hope this is not true cobras passed away and I started hitting the boys deed and all those guys dislike this. This is this is the true right. This is a true and as it started to fold man it just it started to become a real thing and I just start breaking down What was it about Kobe? The man that had so many of the other players gravitates toward him like you can understand. Why the player ear had their interest but why Kobe the person was so such a magnet? I think you know I think it was just such a respect level for his ability to not cheat anything you know he never we all we all in our own little way have our little shortcuts. human beings. But for whatever reason this guy was the embodiment of doing it the right way to heart way every single time and you got to see what that turned into every time you know and it was like that little piece of shortcut and all of a we admired that he. He didn't have that and I just think that it drew guys told them and I think people that people wanted to learn more from hill people wanted to gain that edge and gain gain that understanding of how to have that kind of discipline about you. Know if you're GonNa do something doing a hundred percent every single time and you know as he got older I think he started. It's a share that more with more guys and You know Kobe. Bryant's giving you a stamp or Sarah which is You can't beat that. David Steel joining the US here on keyshawn L Z and Travis and go. Why do you think Kobe was so much different than other guys when it came to his ability to leave the NBA to leave professional sports and enter into that second phase of his life because it seemed that he was as prepared as anybody? I've ever seen in any walk of life to go from one thing that they were extraordinary and spent their entire life preparing for and then just able to leave it in and move onto the next thing. 'cause he poured it all in you. Hello instead old saying let's leave it on the court. I mean if anybody left it on the court and it was him it was never. I don't think you ever had a day where he was like. Oh Man I should have done this I I I got one more I think about it. He scored sixty as lab game. If that's not leave it all out there you know. I don't know what it is and you know but then again you don't cheat the game and you know that you you really gave it everything you have I think it's a lot easier from that standpoint to be able to say I'm done you know watched. Obviously I'm close with the way and these really having that similar transition where you know. He's not looking back on that. I think I could do it one more time where I sit. I sit a state or he's already into his next venture as businesses and 'cause he does like his his body he he he. He sacrificed his body and and time with his family. And all of that stuff you know and he'd never let the team down that way. So those guys like like that that it's easier to step away from the game I I wouldn't notice off the top of my head. You would because you coached against Kobe Bryant but he ever gets you oh you did he ever hit you. We're win at the end of the game. Yeah did the one we We were here in La. We were just watching the highlights of the night Sitting around and and just pull it up Kobi highlights and he's stuggles one time where he got the ball at the top of the key against delay and delay was underneath underneath them. I'm in as good as deep as you could play. He Hits a bank shot. Three to beat us on the top of the key just broke our hearts and we looked I. We're laughing because he was like we. Beverly remember looking at each other and we both disrupt ourselves like that. Is Kobe now because I was watching. You know obviously obviously. I've been watching Kobe since he's seventeen. Eighteen year old kid but I was watching some highlights myself and I was just like saying you know how you sit back and you think about fifty like Tammy was ridiculous dog everybody. I mean everybody was a victim and the thing that people really don't remember it as if I'm watching this. How many people he don't don't like new? Forget that young. Kobe used to catch everybody slipping and it was like he was just an assassin. Man He just he he had that ice water man and there was like that was the thing it was like. We never thought we would see anything like mice again. Like you know what I mean like. There's only one bike and that's it and then took Mike and just like put it at this. It's a his laser focus and he's just rebate that with that same instinct you know that same swagger in his game the walk everything like it was like. We all tried to walk like bike. We all do had Ed ed. It was like that's what was just so amazing. And then he was ours. You know that was the other day. Like what Michael Kogyo. Kobe was ours. And so you you know kids I think about it. I you know I I look at my own life and and growing up here in. La Stuff from La. You move on to do some cool stuff you go up faster like you walk down the street people just they just so you love but it's the same for a guy if you from somewhere else and you all out for one of our teams S. love forever and it's like that that's the thing right now with what the city is going through is. Just it's heartbreaking. Because he was ours and that's why we looked at it when when you I remember him. Dunkin Oh Steve Nash. And playoff game Yeah he caught him caught him in the frame trying to catch a charge daughter. And when you when you look look at you look at the the Kobe twenty years and there's two numbers as eight in there's twenty four split them right down the middle which one was better to you. The aided aided twenty four because it was different I approached different yet. He's no that is a good question. It's a tough question because I feel like the eight eight was the force that eight was that raw young too vibrant force that just you know that just came at you. Relentlessly listen to over and over and over and I felt like the twenty four was the mature the chess playing man who like as attack Ah with fundamentals and understand that he knew how to tear you apart with wasting less energy like just evolution was crazy as a player player. And you know. Obviously that's through the work and the winning but you know he just really evolved and you got to watch it day in day out and acids athleticism drop a little bit or injury started to pick up on his body he started to figure it out. Different ways how to be two different ways and You know so oh I can't say for sure which one was better. They both the champions. They both dominated the league in their own ways But boy did. I enjoy watching involve a coach. You've had opportunity to be obviously assistant coach and Miami for years head coach and two franchises. If Your Doc rivers if you're Frank Vogel how do you get your team back to thinking about playing basketball through a tragedy like this. Aw Man you do. I'd say you know like it's just a really difficult but I. I was texting brand of the day and You know what I I said to him was there was more out of coachspeak. You know than than even the friendship. It was why 'cause he got to take the situation. He's in personally right now. Now you know you just pass this guy On all time scoring list which was like the greatest honor Lebron ever like Dallas has. That was his boy like they. You know he looked to Kobe and so for the next day for this to happen. This was really tough on Brian. And so my thing was he he literally. We had passed the torch he has you have to. You have to honor him with your play now and use the game as a celebration of him instead of it being something that you don't Salaya door because you're hurting you know and I think that's really how we all have to kind of look at the gang now is is you know these young guys step on the court now. It's a celebration of the Great Kobe Bryant. Because you don't know where you don't know how you know things are GonNa happen their life and you don't want to say that you didn't give it give. It's all really have fun while you're doing it and so you know that was my best is. Brian is just just. Celebrate them through your efforts and the way your plan and the way you treat your teammates and how how much you put into it You know and the way you interact with fans you know like you know you. You was a great football player and you know as fans could be annoying. You know you don't want to talk to a fan. You don't WanNa sign something just like you know what. Take the time to do that. Takes time to to sake. That person's hand handed lift up their day And sign that autograph or take that picture. Whatever it is because you just don't know what that means that that person and I was in the square those two days and ESPN man? And you know the outpouring of love of all of those paying all of those Kobe jerseys out there. Eight hundred twenty fours. It was unbelievable. Oh man and you know so you know. I think that that's the way we approach. This thing is through celebration. You know. Obviously the Greek is brutal. You know we we. We said in all of our love family. We got arms around them but I think the only way we we move forward is by celebrating coach. David Steel joining us here on the the morning show coach. Appreciate your time this morning. Thank you very much. That's you're annoying as a fan ills weird for you when he said that your finger finger immediately went him. Hey play for the Detroit. Lions played with Detroit. I I wouldn't be afraid of knowing that Stafford becky now. I'm telling you what was sitting around. No Ring No playoff games. Athletics let victory. You heard. Is there talk about texting with Lebron and what he was saying to him about carrying the torch. Lebron did Write something on Instagram. Yesterday about the the accident and about his feelings about that will read that for you coming up next on the morning show on seven ten. ESPN so I thought that David Physical said something something that was spot on that you know. When when they were communicating he was communicating with Laurent In light of the accident on Sunday Kinda on a speaking to him in coach. Speak like you need to be the guy to go do this that and the next thing and key win when we started the show on Monday morning you breath Kobe Brian. Obviously we're all Koby Bryant basketball fans but he was a friend of yours And I it just hit me when when Fiz said that that this Lebron the the water that he has to carry in this is extraordinary that this is a friend of his somebody that he's incredibly close to. This is something that he competed against. It's too you know relentlessly for years and years and years. This is a guy. That's the face of the League so whenever something happens in the League the first person and they're going to is Lebron James Bron. James is on the Los Angeles Lakers. So that's a whole. Now's the Kobe Kobe built and also and obviously this is something that will get to ultimately over the next couple of days in and I'm sure much more so in the next week or so. He's trying to win a championship. And all of these things landing on this one guy in this one moment. That's a lot man it is in its heavy. It's even heavier now. You know the pressure was on to to finish the deal. Oh because you brought here to finish the deal. The anticipation the animosity between the two camps. Not The fan camps meaning meaning that the King James Camp in Kobe Bryant camp so he had to come in dealing with that. Oh you better than him on. He's better than you. I dare you so he dealt with all elect so now at the end of the day you have all this fall on your shoulders and because of who you are you wanNA finish the deal and you want to deliver live you WanNa that message. That Lebron said he's GonNa carry that legacy he wants to do that in anything sharded at. It's not gonNa feel good to him so that that's just just that much more that much more and it's so crazy because you know I'm one of those dues a sit back. I'm like Oh yeah we get this chip You know because guys like Lebron when they say things you tend to believe. He's not just saying it. He's not saying it. Yeah he's just not saying he's going to finish the deal and but I believe that it's it's Kinda scripted that way right. It kinda feels that way. I don't Wanna get ahead of ourselves and trust me. There are plenty plenty of other teams. That why they love. Kobe want that chip to themselves. So it's not going to be a a hand me over. But if you look at the story from Gordon Hayward and you Mike Tirico was on I think the athletic podcast recently and he talked about that last game. That Gordon kind of step into the lane in order to make sure Kobe sixty so if you missed a free throw it could be a lane violation. Kobe gets another shot and a free throw in order to make sure you got to sixty everyone. Soon Might Rico's assessment of the what transpired was real Gordon's like no that. Actually he just reiterated. I did not step into the lane to help Kobe. Get to sixty Kobe. Got To sixty Gordon was trying to get in there to box him outside deal. So that's just let you know that even in that moment you know. We assume assume that they were going to get it to. Nobody's giving him. Nothing never kept saying everybody ought not playing defense. I said no they tire to write tired. He's he's tired but he's willing his way to get buckets to get the Lakers victory. It's one of those things that when a death occurs and your part of the family or the closest friends that it's your responsibility to sort out what's going on and get everybody organized and this is what we're going to do. We're going to do this on this day and we need people over here to do this and I need people over there to do that. And you know. This is Lebron's role in a lot of this. When it comes to just the Lakers and how this team is going to move forward and and then on top of that is all of the personal grief that comes along with losing a friend in mourning Somebody that is more than just appear in a contemporary but you can tell they had a real relationship in the this. This was his friend. This was his buddy. This was some of them sure that they shared like we talked about earlier. There are not ten people on Earth that can talk about what that feels like and those guys could talk about. I know what you're going through. I've been through a two. I know what it's like to have to deal with what you're dealing with today. Okay and to lose somebody like that has to be crushing it. It yeah and it is and and I think though from Lebron standpoint he knows was set stake in he understands it and he would do nothing more they wanNA bring a championship. Is this year to the Lakers. There's an end in honor of Kobe. Bryant there's no question about it no question about it when we come back. We will read Lebron on James Statement that he put up on instagram. Because I think it's It's great it's beautiful and it kind of encapsulates everything that we've been talking about with Lebron and everything then of course that we've been talking talking about with Kobe Bryant as well that Lebron James Instagram message to Kobe. That is coming up next on the morning show on seven ten. ESPN so we still have not heard Much much from the Lakers. They did issue a brief statement yesterday. Just telling everybody. Thank you for the condolences and that they're still going through the process of trying to figure out exactly what what they're going to do. Of course the game against the clippers that was originally scheduled for tonight has been postponed. That'll be rescheduled at a later date. So the next time that the Lakers are on the court will be Friday night at Staples Center against the Portland Trailblazers and we can only imagine that somebody or somebody's will say something before that game. Am and you'd have to think that Lebron is probably somebody that might say something at the game as well but he has put something up on instagram. He posted something yesterday evening. And here's what he wrote. I'm not ready but here I go man. I'm sitting here trying to write something for this post but every time I try begin crying again I'm just thinking about you niece g g and the Friendship Bond Brotherhood. We had. I literally just heard your voice Sunday morning before Philly to head back to L. A.. Didn't think for one bit bit in a million years. That would be the last conversation we'd have W T.F. I'm heartbroken and devastated my brother man. I love you big Bro. My heart goes out to Vanessa and the kids. I promise you continue your legacy man. You mean so much to all of us here especially LAKER nation. And it's my responsibility to put this stuff on my back and keep it going. Please give me the strength from the heavens above and watch over me. I got us here. Thanks so much more. Excuse me there's so much more I wanna I say but just can't right now because they can't get through it until we meet again my brother Mama for life G. G. for life and it's it's it's excellent. It's beautiful awful. It's heartwarming. It's sincere it's authentic and it. It was nice to hear from him that he's feeling the way that all of us are feeling and going I went through it in an unknown so many different levels like we just talked about and and because of the closeness that they had and they shared the some of the same common goals and some of the same things wings and been on. The Olympic teams competed against each other. And as we've noted already. He plays for the Lakers. He's here in the city. He's playing in the same stadium. He's in the same environment that it's even harder. And people expecting him to deliver deliver. He was expected to deliver prior to this tragedy. But imagine the stress level. That it has heightened. Now you know he's gotTa take the floor on on a Friday night. Yeah they get tonight off and get they get a couple more nights in in in in. I think there's a press conference with some sort of more when you so it gets a little bit of a A village to the media. So you're going to be asked certain questioned in now. You gotTA process that and go through that before you get to Friday against Portland but all of those sort a lot of things just to try to get to that point of some sort of normalcy in your life at that point in time net you gonNA struggle with it until such time you know you you gotta think to that out of all the games this this is the one game in which the media will be somewhat of a partner in this sort of transition right you athletes and understandably so talked somewhat guarded have some have an adversary relationship with the media for a variety of reasons. But you gotta think with this particular story and this particular game a won't be like that. It's unfortunate I've seen. I'm not gonNA give any names. But unfortunately I've already seen some personalities turn this and to some sort of continuous conversation again. Because they have to make it about them but I think professional and sensible people realize who oh he was where the world is his moment and won't be so selfish to try and turn this thing. It's something that is not Kendrick Perkins who we talked about was the last week maybe a couple of weeks ago. A couple of weeks That of course you know NBA Player for longtime teammates with Kevin Durant and and he and Kevin Durant started trading insults on on twitter and Kendrick Perkins said something. I thought it was really really interesting and again sincere and beautiful he. He wrote the following a wanted to Do this publicly. Because that's how the beef was. It was public so I wanted to show the world world that hey I can be a man and apologize. I want my brother back for the millions of great memories that Kevin Durant Nice shared the one incident. I don't WanNa go out like that That was from the heart Kobe. His death did affect me in that way and I did hear Joe J.. We'll speak those words. It did make me want to heal all wounds with whoever. Whoever I was speaking beefing with in life that I love dearly I wanted to put it out there because I also wanted everybody else in the world to see and go grab a loved one or call and text a loved one that they've been beefing being with whether it's a family member or friend just squashed that beef because people say tomorrow's not promised but the next sixty seconds are not promised so you don't WanNa live with those regrets and I know something happened to Kevin Durant? I would be crushed at. Give me my flowers while I'm alive. this is sort of metality. Now it's it's such a you in a bittersweet reminder. You know that not only for your own life that you want to maximize every single day but remember the things that really don't matter that for whatever reasons is you've allowed to kind of allow separations between your brother. Your colleague your friends your loved ones your family look back and go. Is it really that important you know. It probably isn't give them flowers while they levin they can enjoy them and I think he's in infamy kindercare standpoint and Kevin Durant both sides. You get let the emotional side of things getting away and before you know it guy has gone in. You didn't have an opportunity to amend the situation waist to make good on it like Elsie has given the flowers while they lie. I mean you you know you. You certainly As a teammate. There's somebody you've been knowing for a very long time that you share so many great memories togethers runs have been down court or whatever the case may be and then all of a sudden you have some sort of disagreement agreement and it turns into you know. Sour Grapes tragedies a lot of times do bring people families they bring him back together freeze and Kevin Durant in in Kendrick Perkins or like family. You know who did this Kobe. Think about it which Shelley Smith on yesterday and she told us the story about when she was covering the sexual assault allegations in Colorado. Kobe was was upset with coverage coverage. Didn't like it and he said I'm never talking to you ever again. They had a relationship up until this point he didn't like it and they went better part twelve years without speaking to each other. Shelly Shelly gets sick. Shall we get cancer. and Kobe sees her At an event and goes over and gives her a hug and says. Let's let's get rid of this. Let's let's is. Let's let's squash it that he did what he said. He didn't wait until a you know somebody was gone to say you know what I wish I would have done it differently. What you just said he he lived it you know and and that's one of the things about Kobe? That's I think so inspirational now. Never mind the dogs in the three pointers in the eighty. One point. I mean that's just stuff the rest of us can't do we just not in our skill set but to be able to say you know what I'm GonNa put my pride aside. I'm GonNa put my feelings aside because I'm embarrassed embarrassed or I'm hurt or I'm angry and say you know I'm not GonNa do that anymore. That's really difficult to do. But it's something that we all can do and he. He didn't just say he did. Yeah that is that is true. But I won't speak for yourself on eighty points into dunks because I can do. That's simply not ah in my bedroom is a genial. We'll take some of your phone calls as well. I know that it helps everybody to talk about it and our favorite memories of Kobe and some of the things that we all remember Knbr. Your phone calls coming up. Eight seven seven seven ten E._S._P._N.. That's next on the morning show on seven ten E._S._p._N..

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Episode 6: Saoirse Ronan

"I became aware of social round. And when she was only a child she was in atonement when she was thirteen years old and she was nominated for an Academy Award for that movie. She's one of the rare actresses that has gone from being a child star. Seamlessly to an adult star are most recently. She was nominated for an Academy Award for the Movie Brooklyn. which if you haven't seen it you should go right now and see it and then a few years go for Lady Bird? She won the Golden Globe and she should have won. The Oscar Lady Bird was directed by and written by Greta. GERWIG now Greta and she had been reunited cited for little women she plays the conic character of Joe and she fought for the role. She insisted on it which I think is appropriate because she she is very much like Joe March. This episode of five things is brought to you by the House of Chanel in Gabrielle. Chanels quest for freedom. She you have to master the rules in order to break them. Originality boldness assistance. These were weapons with Soft Jersey outfits practical practical sportswear supple suits and lightweight shoes. She gave women the freedom of movement the freedom to forget the past and embrace the present to learn more about Gabrielle. Chanel visit inside Chanel dot com. My Name is Sergio Ronin. And you're listening to the PODCAST. Five things so tell me Ronin. Who's in little women? It was amazing women who is a person in your life. That's a lot of impact. I mean very very lucky Just my the whole life. I've been surrounded by really amaze and influential people not necessarily like well known people in in the media or or anything like that but I you know except for you of you later. I mean my mom is is obviously one of the most important people in my life and always he's Wilby and they just think she's sort of instills a sort of perspective on life and a very realistic lock life that I've held me as I've gotten and older. Yeah and so. She'll always be that for. Shallow is have given me so much but I think let's say her name because which Monica Monica Monica's Our Name and which is the only child she's one of four and she was the baby in the family and you know we has just always been late. May the fish told me before we came on air my fortune fish that were very passionate and she zam you know she likes. She left school when she was sixteen. Zane didn't have any degrees or anything like that went over to New York with dodge. John was the nanny did everything. And it has just always been a real grafter and I think I have anything good. That's happened to me through work. It's of always sort of remembered. Aw what they did in order to get to to where I've gotten to so far one question. What's your earliest memory of your mom? We earliest memory array of my mom okay. This is what I've actually I think I've talked about and injuries before and it doesn't doesn't pay the best picture so when we were in New York the supermarket I think was like a good walk away. It was like a twenty minute. Walk away or something supermarkets used to go to and I remember I. They have these like weird vivid memories. That will pop from when I was like two and I remember being in the supermarket once and I used to love like many marshmallows. Not The big ones the little ones. I used to eat them from the bag and I asked her I get some and she was like okay. All right I'll get them free this once. And then she paid for everything and she had like two big boxes bears and because she couldn't obviously carry them ourselves. She put them on the stroller on the seat of the Stroller that I sat in and then then she just like put me on so there was this little blonde baby was like two or three that was sitting on the top of like these two big packets of beer and eating emotional eating marshmallows. Yeah I do I remember the I think the most vivid memories I have from when I was younger was in new. York was when we were in New York. So she's he's has a massive impact on me and graduate houses well lane because linens in December. When did you first meet Greta? Greta Ivar Smack Dab Greta. Gerwig kiss thank you so off. I met credit garlic. Could few years ago now it was about a year before we did Ladybird Ladybird that movie. Yeah that little chestnut and she was doing twentieth money at century women. I think we'd skype D- before hands when I was back in Harland and then I was over in Toronto for the Film Festival for a few days. I think Yeah Brooklyn was coming out. That's what it was so I was sort of. I've been very very lucky that like I consistently works you know I. I don't like a job or two every year. Since I was young bull there was like a weird stage which I've talked to you about before. I'm sure when I was a teenager and I think a lot teenage girls have found this where you're assertive. ECON do the coming of age thing as much anymore. We can't be the kids but you're not a woman either. There were just you know it's mad that this was only like five years ago or whatever else probably less things have changed so much since then. Unlike there's just a wealth of options. Now which is like incredible he even then there wasn't and so Brooklyn was like my first venture into Mr Grownup role. And Yeah and I hadn't really early like had a phone that was going to be on that scale in quite a long time so it was like it was an exciting time for me and it was all quite new. Like all the press and everything I love to be an yeah. You are so supportive of that film. I've seen it six seven times. I mean I'll start crying just now talking about it Now I just love you so much I love you and everything but I doubt Luby's Wilton Imigran story and that's my family so when you see immigrants story that's told that well you know and the scenes when you're missing him and you know and I had fights with my niece over whether you should stay. I wanted to stay out thank you. Donald loved you so much tone. A lovely heavy. Yes ask mom you I know I was. It was a problem that you're already married as my niece. So so just like she's married then Lenny. Yeah but as I grow. She's but you never so we LE- scarfed anyway and then we went to Toronto with Brooklyn and so she came in for. She had in the mayor's anyway. She came in a red hair that she hasn't twentieth century women on that was the first image. I me opening the door out like San so dodgy but it was at like nine o'clock at night and she came into my hotel room and I had just gotten some French onion soup. I remember because I was so hungry. And and the two of us and see Laura dern and this is why it's so roy the three of us are working together where we use our arms were very. We've gotTa Love Lame Zoo going on and and I just remember straightaway. We just got so Gigi around each other. We still couldn't do the weird thing I've never had thought. Stop with someone in that way where you're just I just felt. I was just so excited tomatoes because I was such a huge fan of hers. And there's lots of people that I love but there's only only a few that I'm a bit late who am and they're usually from the TV. So you know what I mean like Comedians or whatever like that would freak recommit more than anything book graduate. Just something about the work that she did and the style that she acted in her style of Phil and Mike Not Really excited me even before I met her. And Yeah I just you know we're starting to do kyun aims for the phone now when untalkative movie and people like you are getting to see it and and critics against San stuff just genuinely ill. I feel so lucky for two movies now. I've gotten to to watch this person. Just go from strength to strength. I've gotten so much out of watching her just like sore. You're and I remember like when Lady Bird. Sorry I'm just going to keep talking about right now but I remember when Lady Bird came out and like when I was a kid like think even before I started acting I really liked getting the camcorder I and just for all of my friends to get into a chore offended. Spend that I had made and I found them. I loved doing that but I always thought like. Oh that's just something that you do on the sides. I'm I think somewhere in my Brian. I just sort of assumed that like to be a really great filmmaker really classic great director is something for a block. Because you're just so used to lay grown up with Scorsese and like all these Coppola and like all these really really brilliant directors directors and a lot of them are you know goes yeah. I'm there so brilliant but a lot of them are men and I think seeing grandma very quickly become one of the great filmmakers of our Tien dot changed my perception of what I could do for the maker so great and I took it more seriously I think and I just I remember have not thought and being like oh she she is changing things for people with with every job up. She does you know so. She's had a massive impact for sure. Okay so let's go to a place is okay a place in your life. That's had a lot of meeting. Probably don't really. Yeah where you made where you when you were there making okay. The Peter Jackson Leah Really. Yeah we just we just lovely bounds there. And you were just finished atonement. I E S. I don't atonement tones like two years before this. It had come out. You were nominated right. Yes yes I see. That's it. Yeah so I was nominated so we stars the lovely bones Say October of the year before in Pennsylvania and it was great. We did it all the exteriors there. And like Pete's shoots are are long long like they tend to be like six months plus commitment. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Wow yeah which is great it though I mean you've got to have for a long time for them. Yeah it was. It was just absolute slave place. Unlike a loved everyone that was on. Anyway we shot in Pennsylvania for about two or three moments and then we broke for Christmas and went over to New Zealand in the the New Year. which is when like? Oh the Oscar. Stop them with atonement. And that was such a cool thing I remember. We've we went to La Oscar's myself. My mom while you were at the Oscars because I was nominated for an Oscar or learn burs me and we we went to the Oscars and it was really great and then we flew back to New Zealand the next day and I seen the the I did when I went back was the scene where Stanley who plays Mr Harvey Lowers me down into a hole in the ground and mergers uh-huh and it's like the most pivotal Muslim board and seen in the whole thing. That was the first thing we shot when I got back from this like mental roller coaster the Academy Awards. So Yeah I just did you even have address for the Academy Awards or you just sort of like you will. What fourteen Y- yeah? I hear okay I was still thirsty. Devotes enforcing okay. So we didn't have a clue like I did not have on Elizabeth Salzman. I wish I had done. I've seen pictures you look to durable E. L. I.. Four minute green dress because you know was represented in Ireland. You're great to mom looked great. Mom looked your mom. Look Great. Yeah she did through the. I don't know if you've you've ever seen it but there is an injury that I did. I think it was with a or something. It was one of the big ones. And that's the one that lake we would all watch which when you know before the Oscars so talking to Ryan seacrest or whatever and I was chatting away and really mom was behind me and George. Clooney walked by on stops and stood on her dress and it doesn't matter that it was George Clooney heartthrob famous. Hollywood Hollywood actor. She was like soap. She was like aggressively avenue on the Oregon. George George can get off your new dress and you didn't hear this went on and on and on so everyone at home like nobody was like well. Don't you were great. They were like what about modern George Clooney stepping on Asia. The best though. Yeah she's telling the show and she usually does but yes. I was your mom and I straighten your dress at the Globes. I was very proud of that. You did yes. I was behind you with Jessica straightening address so I was always very helpful Q.. I'm so glad that that was very good. I thought because your mom wasn't there. She was held with the dog yet so I was straight. I was there to straighten the dress that was that was when Ireland. Can we investigate eight one lawn. Yeah you want so mom should never calm. I think yes. Maybe that's true but it would be nice. If she had been there it would have been nice. Yeah near don't go but sort of fun because everyone's in a better mood. Yes it's like it's like they're really tired yet. Exactly exactly instilling on so exciting. You know well the thing about the Oscars if I may digress for a minute is the room fills up with losers answers right and there's no more shows after that so so I'm not just talking about the acting. Categories every category. Like three quarters of the room were most of the room is people who have now lost. Yeah so it gets the. That's the thing well Montemar shows though is this. It's like it's a wonderful thing thing. It's so fantastic to have something like a platform like thought to promote your movie. Especially the year that we had ladybird because it was like lady bird. ARGUETA like three billboards ridi sort of like diverse films and they were relatively small. Many think. Vaclav Vaclav attention gave life to our sure movies but at the same time. It's you know it's it's an artistic forum that we're in and it's creative and it's very subjective and emotional and it is. I do think that you have to go into those those situations as much as you can and go okay. Even if I don't win an award doesn't mean I've held. Yeah Yeah She Cayenne Dan. It's totally natural. The would feel that way so interesting when you were but you did you travel around New Zealand or you just fell in love with it. You were in the whole. Yeah I thought holds just I loved the people I think we we. We got to travel around a lot with them so much of it in New Zealand. Because we were shooting all the heavens stuff. I was just doing my own which I read uh-huh I really like Dinsdale for my own and the favorite place that I would talk about is in New Zealand and it was a scene that we did where I like to see this Gazebo offloading on the lake in the distance because the whole point is that everything's just sort word of air to reach for her? She's in this in between worlds and she's trying to make contact with her family from back on earth and we did this one show on this location in New Zealand. which like I don't think had ever been set foot on before by humans? We took a helicopter to to get there and landed and they just sent me a and so I just had this lead crystal clear lake before me and all the crew were behind into which I loved so I couldn't see anyone Gonzi the camera or anything. I just remember thinking like this is the most perfect place I've ever I've ever seen. And it was just me and members all around me and it was dead quiet and the water was just you know it was like Fiji water it. It was like crystal clear and I found the moments that I've really felt like truly lake. Truly happy are euphoric. It's always when you're in nature like that. I think it makes you feel like child again right. Well you were a child. I was jealous. The incidences like that sense. She just feels so like innocent. Because you do sort of northern compared to like everything that these men tons of Zane the trees and you know. I'm not a Hippie book. Love that but at the Stream is choosing. Is it more or do you like it. Best when you're near water maybe Hippie Yeah I think when I'm yeah I think when near water more so rivers for me. May I interest because I grew up right buyer of our learned to swim in a river. Slow Z. select the colds manton water. So oceans are a little daunting eh a little bit more. Yeah I still over the Ocean lakes and rivers a I just yeah. I love having abducted newer record or a piece of art. Yeah there's a few things so I honestly I think thanks Darcy downs. So I think you know we really saw dirty. Dancing is quite. You'll notice probably younger than I should have been washing smelt that ah I mean you could see it in. He's Raunchy sex on she but at the same time you wouldn't quite notice unless you were older and realized what was happening fairly myself from my friend amy us to watch and we knew like something's watching it. We were like I feel funny em. I'm Peter that Patrick swayze he'll do it to you. I know Jeez he really did but anyway I think I think that like the movies that I really loved watching when I was younger. A lot of them wire like sister act. I absolutely loved Sister Act. I loved oft clueless. clueless loved clueless. Start dressing like Lissi candor. What Alicia unleashes for me I I know I think it probably started stress? Light Tie if and sweater vests that was like an Asia's but I watched it before I did. I could never be a woman which was the first movie I ever did. An Amy Heckling wrote and directed and you had to have a sexy. Did you have six eight or you have to lose your virginity or something. That she doesn't know she's news virginity. She has her first period icy. Yeah but you do have a kissing. It had a kiss and saying it was like torture so I feel so bad for rory. The boy did it was because he was a bit older he was like fifteen or something and I was like eleven and I. I was just not ready to do anything like that so I got very specific with the director. I was like Hemi any seconds. Do you want this case to last four. And she was like I don't know amy. She's like whatever's whatever it was a kiss and I was like because I hadn't kissed anyone at that stage there's very innocent was like how many seconds exactly you want. And she was like three or four so she got quite a few you four seconds kisses now to get your head. Yeah and then I would just pull away or is my character was like I just WanNa be with the guy the and I was not into that at all so you go forward and you went back. Yeah so Yeah that's that wasn't formed for me about. Patrick swayze is eight. I just wish it was a trick that I was with right now. What else though? I mean I was thinking about this as well like music like I. I remember when I started to listen to the smiths and I listened to all the music that my mom and dad were into Salt Lake. Mom Loved Fleet do love. She does low fleetwood Mac and my dad is a huge Shmarov's FM and so he introduced me to the smiths. And I remember just being like I've never heard anyone that sounds like cam. I've never heard music. Sounds like this on it. So distinctly the smiths. Every time he listened to a new song but it's different somehow and also his lyrics were just just so straight off like what you see is what you get and like really simple you know and and I loved that and I think the listening to him. When I was a teenager I was like oh somebody gets it? Not The I wanted to burn down the House or whatever book teenager here allowed out to everyone. How's that like for some people that's printing Sir Bowie or whatever and the girls have Arianna `Grande knew who I think is amazing? It's it is a very powerful thing when you find a musician especially that lake speaking your language. Somehow did you have a band. No bought I. I did write code song with my best friend. The time going swimming. It was we you were very young and we we were like Sri Right. Should we write a song and so we wrote the song about like it's summertime and we're going to assuming pool or whatever it was and I told me teacher about it the next day and she was like Guan saying it and all the kids are like yeah go on and I was terrified to do it and it didn't. I don't think people are very much can go down very well. I thought it was great book. I thought it was pretty jeans to be honest. Have you sung in a movie. I can't think of a movie you've Sung and I've I did sing in the first film I did. The heckling by was just a kid so that was like I mean he could have a lady bird word because there was a theatrical part. But I've wrapped in Lady Scott call so I don't know how go to was. It was supposed to be at the very beginning of the phone. Yeah I guess it didn't land for whatever reason but I did sing in Eh film. That Ryan gosling directed. So that's right. Yeah I'm we thought in can be. Yeah and it was whisper and it was just ham on the D.. Pay and we were like in an addict. I had my little pet rash and the route was quite compelling wasn't he yes I don't like rats let's but it was quite beautiful that read. He made me like rats. Actually you became friends. We honestly did like when I would see him. He'd come straight into into my hands and he would case me he'd like Now's up to my Nelson. Did he have a name Nick. Nick were there were there few rats or he. He was the only one I think they might have had a stunt rash but he was the principal. You guys were together for the whole film practically. Yeah Yeah Yeah I I. I loved that route. I actually considered adjusting in adopting him. Afterwards he was a professional he has other places to be like. I'm actually sleet GONNA shoot a pilot next. I can't I can't states. Where did you make? That movie. Looked like it was the south. It was in Detroit. Detroit and I love Detroit. You Love Detroit. All loved Detroit you got some New Zealand in Detroit Detroit. Yes similar taste. I have very little nature and Detroit. Yeah there isn't much gone on in that respect book we were downtown. Say The name of the movie Eh. Originally it was called. What's the name it originally was called head to catch a monster lost river? Australia is called Lost River. I was GonNa tell you I thought you would figure it out because I love the title her to catch a monster but but yeah last forever. Ben Mendelsohn being the monster. I know Houston. I got an Ma Godin Christina and as it was upsetting that movie. Yeah yes yeah they got to me. Yeah I wanna see him direct something else he will. Yeah I really hope you jus- I think he enjoyed it now he yeah. I had such a good time. Yeah because he he's bringing as well like he doesn't he doesn't do too much which I really like doesn't you're you're never sort of like. Oh I'm sick of Ryan I'm seeing Ryan and every second you know what I mean He. He'll do one movie a year so he was the famous dirty dancing housing scene. That was before the movie. Did you discuss that. With him. Wasn't crazy he deterred she dumps insane. Yes in in stupid crazy in crazy. It's crazy stupid stupid love. He's up before I must. Maybe it was after. I think he did that did you after anyway. That's a it really important moment for you. You could have had that part you could have been Emma stone and that movie slip through my fingers. Maybe the I'm happy that Emma Gotcha to do it. I'm happy for her at Ryan and Ryan Jennifer Gray exactly see league. Jennifer Gray would die really. I would die here. That would be the hot you know. She was on dancing with the stars she won. She wanted she wanders. He's amazing she worked really hard. I think they were all dying to actually stolen. Yes she's she's also really good in dirty dancing. People don't realize how good she is and like in Ferris Buehler's dealers. Yes you know there. She is on your T. Shirt and what is what is she always say. What does she always says the line? Nobody puts baby in a corner. Exactly thanks swayze says that at the end and triumphant moment it really is. It's just I love movies though. That's about little women as well. It is that you have all these moments where you're late. Yes near so rooting. For whichever character your you know following the at that point in the movie. It's I think it's so good to have. I don't WanNa tell the ending but I'm so cut this part out but when you say no. I don't think I'll do that. I was like oh I love her so much. Much of wonderful thing in the rest of the world isn't it so she did the big cry because because you know there's a it's very quiet. Why it but at the same time? It's exactly the kind of authority that you hope for. You know it's not it's not a placard but it is a placard. You know what I mean. It makes more of an impression. She's she's so confident and so strong and our belief what she's made. Yes Joe she's just she is who she is from the beginning. It's almost like she was. She was born that way. You know the only sad part is when she rejects Laurie than she regrets it but probably for the best I also but she regrets it because she doesn't want to be alone and she doesn't want lario trapped. I regretted that was so brilliant in the film if she makes it about out something different than all the other versions of little women which is that. It's about how do women navigate their future. Exactly how do they get out of this world. That's so constricting. It could be constricting now or then you know which. How what route do you take? I will talk more about this afterwards. Because I don't want to digress too much but but there's I think she handled it so brilliantly because your characters are defying their circumstances and different ways. And and. That's not really in the book it. It is in the book. It is in the book. But it's not I mean there's more there's Mulago example. Uh Amy Yeah. She uses beauty as opposed to just being a beauty. Yes and in the book. She's just beauty. Yeah Bhuttan she does also say in the book. I want to be great or I wanted to be. Yeah nothing I wanna I wanNA either be great at this thing or I just don't want to do it at all and so monet all savant. Greta has pretty much. All of credit has put in. The movie has either come from the bulk or it came from Louise's writing her letters she diverted from it. I think she emphasized yeah totally. I think you're right. I think that like what I found really fascinating about learning Louisa her whole process of making this whole series. She took her life which was really hard. It was really tough off and her dad was not around and her dad was very pure they were really as Greta said. They were wretchedly or and she had to go and work on writing the writing that she did saved her finally right it literally saved them. They had no food they had nothing and so I think it's really amazing moment in the movie where she has this conversation with her editor and he's trying to persuade her to marry the girls. Aw or just give it a bit more of a rose tinted thing and I like that. She has enough agency over her work to incorporate everything that the editor needs to sell the Balkan that she needs in order to hold onto the integrity of the book. You know so I I guess that was our way to to just celebrate Louisa and everything that she did and also independent that five which I think is so phenomenal. Yeah Yeah I mean she isn't she. She has her her own mind totally. Yeah Yeah but I but I also like that like at the very beginning. She's very we knew to that. Whole worlds of you know editorials Dolphin Riding on commerce and all of that and she's a bit flustered by hit and doesn't want to admit that this is our work because she doesn't know have down right? She's very stubborn and hotheaded when she shares what she thinks. This is great. Work with Friedrich and the Board Games and like I loved having scenes like that I got to be a parish of where she she does not command within the best lawyer in some of this ends and I love that but I think that's good. Even we need to see that. That's why things like Lena. Dunham girls are AH. I think that's so important. Show dot came and myself and other girls. My Age could grow watching for Leeds characters writers who were sometimes gray and they had these qualities but they could also be like a bit of the day are sort of messed off or they were selfish. Shar Shahr south involved or whatever and show a little bit of two in that moment and I was really happy. Can't we got to seeing that. You know while you're amazing in the movie so I keep you here all day. We'll have to go to the next question. which is was there an incident in your life? That was maybe not the most positive but ended up being beneficial official or helped you in some way I singing about this and I guess maybe it was a kiss. Get hot kiss just really now for take over and the so originally one of the frustrations that I ever went in for which was for amy's phone over the okay to say this. I'm sure it is. I went in for the part I was not right for. I didn't 'cause the the girl was was described differently in the script and physically. I just didn't really match that in the same way. I didn't end atonement. I looked nothing like how Berry described the bulk. Now not at all. I do not care eastern but you know it doesn't really matter once once the movies go and anyway. I auditioned for amy and excited. That I got going for this thing and it was American and I got to sing a little bit on that and it was such a cool cast. It was Michelle Pfeiffer and Paul Roach. These great people and I loved Amy's war like I grew up watching inclu. Listen look who's talking and all these things and I didn't Nonni better and was like maybe I'll get this like maybe I'll get this job. I didn't really have anything to compare it to the whole experience and I didn't get the job of you and I know I remember. We were on a school trip and we were. We're in this like a door. Play area thing called Clara Lara which just like the very harsh sort of like sort of theme park but not really and it was raining and I remember seeing my mom across the park and she was on the phone and I just knew that may Asian took called older whatever and I saw her face of drop and I knew I hadn't gotten the role I was devastated. I was so upset. And you you know I just really. Because they didn't know any better. I thought Oh maybe this will come to me on it. Didn't I was upset by a few weeks. Went by and I don't know what happened whether they couldn't find anyone. Are they rethought or whatever you know that happens all the time they wanted me to come in Iranian raid for the friends and then they wanted to come in again and read for the lead girl. Michelle Starr I gotTA. which was amazing? But it doesn't always work. I thought why and so I think having that happen to me character and anyway I think they did. I need you know Michelle Annoy you look like we could be related to anyway so you know it was ever say. Mayan polarized is yes or so forth beauty and and she's so beautiful but em. Yeah and so. I think that's just sort of set me up then fairly everything else that was to calm like the highs isn't lows and I've been like ridiculously lucky on it's come to our a really have and like compared to mates and some other other people that are so brilliant and are you know June six auditions. We are whatever. I've been very very lucky though. I've gotten roles that have allowed me to keep going on. I'm not sure you bring bull. Well this begs the question and I always ask it. Do you believe in luck. I don't believe in luck. I think people make their own luck. I think you're right. I think I'll tell you what somebody very wise. Paul Newman said to me once that interview. He said I asked him that question. Do you believe in luck. And he said I don't believe in luck but I can recognize luck when I see it and a lot of people watch lock. Walk out the door down the street and they don't see go. Yeah I can look at something and go okay doing that. That's luck right. That's amazing Which I think is true and I think about it every day at my watching? Walk down this sort of like the enabled to recognize when a great opportunity. Unity is coming your way and not to fight against it through because of fear or insecurity or whatever and sort of go for like I do news like you could make the argument. Just to play devil's advocate that Greta walks into your hotel room and you say I don't know she's never directed a movie. I don't know. Should I really do this. Is it really worth. I'm sure I have other offers. And maybe they're safer. Yeah Yeah it's it's taken a risk I suppose and just being open to something new but I also think that like in terms of action. There are a lot of actors. Oh there are blow decode and juice for whatever reason have been in the right place at the right time or it's not quite the locks are the casting agent was looking for are the general twitter followers or whatever and so I guess it's just I don't know if you want to call it lock where everything just sort of fits into place. I was very lucky that lake. When grab mess I already knew are very well? She knew Mayan and the kind of energy that we both have fit really well so I feel like it's almost like a chemical thing on energy or something that either makes fielder thing that are are you know they separate sorry but yeah. I agree with with Paul. I think he's right there. Ah I don't know what I'm talking about. I really don't know what I'm talking about. So tell me an experience in in your life that was just purely one of your happiest experiences or one that shaped you in that way experiences and then like that time you were out in a lake and you were super happy and yeah I think when I was loss get this this way. Here's a good way to ask it. Are you happy when you're working or are you happiest when you're not or is it a combination of both. That's an interesting question. I think it's a combination of both. I think I am as a person. I think I'm not my best when I'm mark and I think I'm on my most confident while also still being lake really question of I can do if they a very weird weird almost like a split personality that you have. I think when you act like you're convinced that you're GonNa mess at all but you've also got an of confidence to just sort of like go for and it was with strange and I guess anything that I'm really familiar with. That's when I can be at my happiest. I think one of those people that's less spontaneous and more I think so. I think that like very spontaneous. Do you think I don't know I liked plan. You may like plan but I think you like a plan so you can go here and there. I'll say yeah I I like I like structure So I can just mess within the book. I think you would like being shot by Tim Walker if you were to not spontaneous. That's true but I but I also like that there's sort of like world that you're exist in a you know. I think like growing up where I did in the countryside was was like bliss I remember are just you know. Every summer we would spend every single day down by the river and we would be there for hours and hours and hours and you know it was myself so my friend Christopher and other friends my dog Sassy little border Collie a now. That was perfect. I don't know if it's just because it's my memory of of how it was. That's perfect book which is kind of like what happens with Joe. Childhood is like perfected by your memory. And it's kind. Hundred Lake untouchable shares although sisters. She has all those sisters and she doesn't for a long time like she doesn't need anyone else. I I know people the WHO've grown up in big families and they feel that way they're like I've got all my best friends right here right. You know. There's something really special to buy so yeah I guess I guess the only child makes you adult younger. Yes a lot of time with adults. Yeah I think that you become an adult adults sort of you definitely become more mature. I think yeah because you're just GonNa have to hold your own well. I met you when you were thirteen. was I I Percy maybe fourteen. I shot right after atonement. Why that was the first photo shoot? You probably don't even remember you. Were wearing a white dress and it was. There was a bearskin Rog. Or something and it was a house around here was for the times man tire. Yeah there's a beautiful picture we could find it and You were very poised. Then yes do you think is more poised than than I am now. You don't you're probably the same. You've changed very little. Okay Doc. I think things changed a little bit around Brooklyn because it was such a big deal. Yeah and also it was your first like I'm an adult thing. Heating changed just the. Ah think you had changed a little just because you grew up a little bit. Yeah now not in a bad way just it was quite a also sort of with the movie for like a year. I mean there was a lot of the promotion of that movie went on for a really long time because we went to Sundance Premiere got bought and then the Oscars is like a year later. Yeah so it was a long trip. Yeah like when you have done that before you have no idea of. What's Adia and you've no idea when it's going to finished like William Goto the few events in August and then your film like drops out of the race or or does it go all the way you just don't know you know? So that was insane. I remember just being on a high without because we just did not expect that all we really didn't just the small that large you know John had done a lot theodore and nobody really mainly people in the film industry. Shing may be new me a little bit. I wasn't a bankable actor by any means you know well you did something. That's extremely hard to do. You grew up in public doc. It's very very hard to go from. Being a child being nominated for an Oscar and then become more of an adult. You were still very a young but you were more. Weren't you know we weren't an atonement. He were grown up. Yeah more of a grownup yeah. That was very exciting for me though because I that's what you dreamed dove. We'll just say it's been so many big jars ban a child and phone which I absolutely loved. Then you do get to a stage where you're like. How am I gonNa make at this jump? Get people to see me as like you ought to be which I van terrifying really. I'll tell you if it's so scary because they didn't have the accent to hide behind. Oh like I was still doing. Country Accent is different to my Irish accent but it was. It was so close close to home not film that I was just like. I was petrified. Every single day I really was and I was the same lady bird for for a love it. Yeah so weird. What about little women? Were you scared. No and no because and I don't mean that it's not a it's not like I just I was. I was given this role that I felt. I could do anything anything with and I knew Greta so well and I knew we knew what the other one need is and what we wanted from one another and I love love like what I said before Greg gives you structure a new and then just like play within that and even more so on women than lady eighty birds. She allowed us to just like take the time that we needed to find. You know that was really. That was such a trip. Get into do data. I just felt like it was the whole thing felt very sort of athletic. There was a lot. There is a lot of physicality to it. There's a lot of like Wong congressman another of year but even in like the language and how much we drilled each San because we overlap so much that was all oh plans and I loved being that accurate with Saying you know it was it was. It was the best best experience. I've had playing a role for sure. It's fantastic yet. Brilliant so one final question before I let you go okay. Did anyone wanted any point. Tell you you should change your name. There was a project scares her. Didn't you know I was just trying to the. I won't say who it was but I remember there was a couple of producers that I worked with a few years ago and they said to another friend of mine who produce the film that we were on the way like her nickname is is search. Everyone calls her search. Maybe she should go by that and I remember my mate was like no. That's ridiculous idea. She'll never do. Also I had gone that long twenty to whatever age was where you know I. I hadn't changed Asia. I would never change her name but actually nobody else ever suggested that to me. That's so great. Yeah really great. I'm surprised I know so AM I. It was such a beautiful women you know. Now it's a popular name is that it's getting increasingly popular because of you are more little searches wandering around their little Certian I. I've noticed their cars and yeah and it's a popular name as a compliment for dogs. I know forcier SHADAW gonads awards. They're all terriers. There we go. I also think that the SNL song helped so much it served surged within the people to me now and can pronounce my name because they're like Blah snl song they like single zone me But Yeah I love my name. I hated it when I was a kid because it was different. A nobody else harbor and now lover and what does it mean I loved. Automates seriously means freedom. It's Irish for freedom and a lot of steak at home because I would say in the UK and in America. It's Sir Shack are Sasha. Because it's just easier. I felt like this was easier for them. Say It's actually pronounced Syria. Syria is thank you. Tracy Letts Sarasota as well but yes so. There's like a good time you helped me. The most was when I did. No I kept saying donal wrong and you would think donut. You saved me down. Because when I interviewed him I could say his name. He was very impressed because everyone says donal. Well it's very hard the way it's spelled. Yeah you just shouldn't look at the spellings of any remnants Sabah Kellyanne so many people called him salon for just like A. What planet is anyone called Salaya? Well what did they do with Russia. Sarah CEOS sale SAR say I mean everything. Irrigating the thrones you research say seriously yeah exactly. What Sir Leon and start all right? Well you were wonderful fantastic. Thank you for listening to w magazine's five things things with me Linh Hershberg. Today's podcast was produced by. Cheyenne Assadi. and Michael Becker recorded by destiny Farrand with post production by the Hanger Studios. The theme song is Sung by Robin Shore and written by Robin Shore. And Jacob fought to Recchi special thanks to Sarah Moon Vez and milk studios. La Subscribe to be the first to hear new episodes of five things and for more from W magazine follow us at W. Mag on instagram. And W magazine on Youtube where you can see my screen tests and Asmar's and Zora. You have to sit down Brad along. La La Lila.

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Leaving Porn and Loyal Customers with Jasmine James

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Leaving Porn and Loyal Customers with Jasmine James

"You're listening to fucks given the one with jasmine jane welcome to funks given i'm reid. I'm florence and we are on a mission to revolutionize the sex-based break down barriers and gives the lowdown on all things sexy every the week we will welcome a special guest to share with us their juicy details about their best box worst box or even the fox that changed them. I'm also hey y'all you guys sex questions and your worst sex stories. We're all about celebrating your sex. We removing the stigma around the whole number bullshit shit no matter how many people use let with the number never matters because the fox given other fox that made us wong was so excited to have you on the puck girl. I'm i'm just so happy hba so so tell us a little bit about yourself and who you wow well. I'm just james and i'm an ex adult before i currently do loads of my pinup more lane with cars like during the retro kind to start your world sexy elect to see a few business events with cars and like in business spence with small companies and big companies together so you're lighter than i put my hands and different things doing sex bows well yes. It's the end of the shay yeah. I'm actually a special guests which i'm very surprised. Wow oh wow you're gonna get like of widow fast. Can you sign my balls. God dorian we should he hired you on our youtube channel like a long in time of like interview with the porn star yes. You're an expert on star right. Yes i am yeah it was it was the first video do with anyone else. When i i kind of started to was that was like years right yeah. Oh yeah the guy crump top in studio made you stop doing on 'em. I'm a few different reasons. I just kinda go a bit fed outweigh some of the companies kind of taken the mic mottos performers former wherever you want to be closed and i just said no i also i do be fucked around and i was like fuck. Y'all i'll just yet. I don't not been walked over and the pay through is a poll in any case optus. Gus is absolute disgusting like well average to poon performance when i was doing i mean some of the companies will offer me to fifty you know for heart gogo but then we're kind of push you to the boy go off and then those times when they would say five hundred for for too hard core boyko jeez. That's insane in america. It's like we're we're looking at like at least a thousand dollars per yet but even still i went to american company and i asked for a bit higher and there was like no we can't do that and i'll just like even like a grand around and outside the amount of money that you make like komo now we know. How much do we pay our own performance farouq last. I am six hundred each but that was for a that wasn't for cop penetration. Seeing that was a blowjob just a blow. Oh wow which really puts things into perspective. It's like they bring you know goes abroad say from europe and everything because they say you know they look at the money. They think it's more realistically is no yeah and i just think i just walk in over so many people and no wonder why so many females and males join thing now yeah with basically selling their own videos dusted go forward. Oh definitely definitely thinks change the internet porn like back in the day when it was like v._h._s. Videos ears like low-fare to be getting like three grand to form yanni the team of people to do one film and now you can just you can literally just film what on your phone and cool yourself upon producer but also upon performer and there's so many guys on twitter i see yeah come to my house and i'll pay you to again. I've seen so many of that even though i'm on social media quite bare but i kind of take a back seat and obser- everything taken taking over that information and gas so many people doing anything which is a good thing yeah but the same time it's you know we still get it in the neck act like you know i still get companies offering me money wanting to outdo shoot content and as much as i would love to but i know i haven't worked in the auto industry for war. Forges may be an. I note the minute they get that for age. They'll put it out there. Make them sell millions so so much and then they all these days because porn is distributed for free it depends on the company depends on your license earning less than they used to but they they definitely saw but how do they both did that. When lost my show you know. One of the companies will make kane over the the money somehow even though everyone can watch it for free. You should pay for your porn. People like the only way to for performance to get paid more is for more people to pay for things are hard turnaround. If you watch porn you should pay for it. You shouldn't be getting it for free these. It's like again. It's like a whole piracy of yeah love movies if you will have a movie by by don't expect it get it for free and i get so annoyed with i._t. Arteta instagram live they ever die. People still ask i saw graham live but then those certain foods like give jet jazzy as nicknamed they call me. Give her a break and i just think it's rather root of them to ask you know performers. All let's see you know. Show me fee or what. I'm like well. There's m- my platform started go sign up and then you can see it out for phrase phrase my day at work exactly just because you have done sex work doesn't exactly you're. You're a human business. I say yeah yeah that pisses me off this route asking tits outlet of one-star yeah. What do you think about the stigma surrounding the number all for myself or anyone anyone and both associate or haven't really saw not really ba- fasten thin. It doesn't cross my mind like everyone is entitled to <hes> you know fuck whoever they warn as many as they want in in one session national to session i mean i actually count it mine did and it was twenty one. That's surprising because you're you're an adult performance. The first thing you think is she must've set reload to be people do be offset the mouth time she spent in that in shape i've had time away and then gone onto archana wecker on the t._v. Channels doing modeling or the mike scenes and people just machine so so shooting when i'm no i mean yet. That's twenty one with people in the adult industry. Include people are bending relationship yeah so have candidate less than you would expect so much yeah and some of them are worked like twice vice and if so it looks like a done more and we've you know these companies and like these free sites they edit the videos like two five ten minutes. Hey it's and then make another joan name it different so it looks like he got more out there. Oh yeah yeah yeah. I i do so shock people when i'm like i've hardly any i've hardly done any walk ready for the mob used i've been in the industry saw those twenty one is doc dick. We're talking about that. Just go in as well auditing count cow cows at you like oh shit now. It's in the hundreds twenty one for the dick and then i honestly wouldn't know with goes. I've definitely worked quite a bit with girls because used to live sexual and everything but i actually preferred working with goals then the guy's just mind preference <hes> and so yeah. I wouldn't have clinico so we'll give you some time you can come talk what number one god the last an ex boyfriends friends of mine sweden right now no wait. No we hate him domain. Oh gaw golly gosh gay guy that yeah. I'll go attorney. Remember the last time i had sex. Oh gold us get laid bay. Oh man attorney. I take off of him. I just don't want anyone in touch me right now. Yeah got to the point where i'm just done. How long ago did you break up and well approach cut with him and lauch jake it kind of september time had six months off and then i kind of went back to which i shouldn't have done but you osco she kind of we've all been there but looking back now. I'm thinking he did nothing to win me. I fought to get me back. He goes oh yeah went past your house and that was it oh okay he was still dabbling with another girl and number one blue and we left it was it was bad. It was very heated. I just i kept telling liam. Scotto just get out just by a digest done with their mind. I can trust him like and it's not fair you know to kind of <hes> <hes> career no relation carfully trust him and that's with him he i had my wa- so when i i met him. He helped bring him down for him. Just back cobb. He listened to my my past and it makes he's a coward one hundred percent and he believes that are not bar yeah yeah things entity it a bit yeah. I did slap him because he was right in my face i i put my hands up. I shouldn't have slapped him but at the end of the day what moscow state farm backed in the corner being shouted at and i'm telling him just stop shower in just guy like i don't know showing you because he only like i. I felt like he was used to say. I was playing victim. Michael gast line god that i was his property jeez side who does not have not have enough. I'm so rate does our god ten years deep in the marriage. You should never say that many one no away. I just know things will add up an taken a step back and be like ashley. What he did was absolutely disgusting is she. Put me off guys. I know there's probably some really amazing guys out there. I know that but yeah you need time for yourself. You don't need to be looking out like out there. Yeah i'm not looking. I'm single but i'm not available so i got bit scared especially with this question because i'm thinking if i open up you know talking about air. I'm gonna look like the bad person and not know an. I'm not letting anyone control me or like. I can think for myself in in some way like and some of the behavior was kind of like a naseer accomplish accomplishments. This sounds abusive. I know it's a very strong word to use and i don't like it in words such bar. I mean some of my friends salaya chasma in like interlocks share. I yeah sorry to bring you back to that moment. Your lifespan ah spark. I mean that was so see with hey. Was it like during that argument. Not no no oh god. No i yeah but i think it was like a week before something honest. I can't remember rare just locked out. You don't want to remember. I think it is i mean that there was some amazing times but that was probably the first two free moms and then in yeah found down. I mean to go woman <hes> confront it may cause. We brought this up in pokhara because recently about if you if you seeing someone who's gonna partner. Would you do about it. Do you get involved. You say something i mean. What would you wish that like. Would you wish that she hadn't or had. I think it were would have been better in different kind of environment. I mean it was outside in in public. There's a lot of people around whether they heard or not. I don't know i just picture it right now and sermon by we're walking up the hill and she comes out just to let you know and they just kind of went off line and i'm just they're fighting. Defy balk and just like you know at the time i kind of like blacked out a little bit as in like lightstone doubt yeah and i was just like and then went back to his after audit dominoes. Actually i'm just talked about her like i know so much about her when i don't really need a two and i just think how so deeply in love with him at the time i love blind. Yes i say horrible braves. I'm so sorry yeah. Let's move on to the first fuck. It was with go. Oh i had my girlfriend's friends. Oh my goodness yeas ago yeah yeah <hes> yeah i remember i met this cow in weymouth and we just this kind of friends at first and of like quite interested that my i'm still quite confused like my sexuality like with. I'm all aw li- like in females or more like mayo's sicom swinging from side to side sexual uh-huh yeah. It's happening in the caravans. Oh yeah yeah it was good times. It was an osce. Those quite young time off got howard was i. I must have been about out fifteen. Maybe and yeah just kind of one thing led to another case saying grow paying you yeah well. That's <hes> but yeah wow yes. Tom is amazing yeah. Wow it's interesting that you say your first with the go but but then when you thought about your fuck count that was all like men is a society that has made us believe that fuck is with a penis yeah. Oh i think it's <hes> <hes> as the game from auto industry a year i started working with females first and then the companies were like oh jasmine week. You better work. We can get you out there more and also okay and i was very young. When i i go into the adult industry in the lie why my head was all over the place at the time and i felt like they kind of in some way used manipulate yeah yeah <hes> you they see kind of a vulnerable young woman go and they kind of pick them up by now your mason you beat for your desk and you're looking up at this person you hike oh my god beautiful yeah. We do that with like normal jobs. Don't we especially in our first couple of jobs with fucked around because they can do do that to us with a unique please yeah it's just it's like that in the porn industry oh yeah definitely but yeah of start in google sheets roots and then one day we got your shoot lined up her nose. Okay and i just get. I felt song comfortable. I really oh really i've. I've never been onset. I enjoyed the band's with the people and the pictures of myself but actually during during the date bypass didn't enjoy it just wasn't right. I wasn't lie yeah. An actress hurts really <music> this is about this is a boy girl scene. Guess bad dog housing's on the go after absolutely did you find when you lost your virginity that it was kind of like an easy process was nerve wracking. Did you kind of know what you doing but not i i mean i watched a lot of like porn videos and i think i actually watched a lot of at least iran's and she's much older woman men in. I absolutely beautiful. I love you know that she's done the opponent as well create outside of. I love la all about that and she's very she has this way of. Doing you know like very teasing on certain things and i'm very very much like a touchy person where you know like feathers and like you need yeah love to ongoing soleil speech striking last night. Oh turkey struck back from from the boy. Oh boy yeah. I was like how sorry really excited is peak news guys tough climb my boy oy might not to finish off with the one he come now. Fuck three the best fuck. Oh see with my ex partner. There was thomas where it was amazing. I mean there are certain things. I've never done before with anyone soon. Learn different things about my boteh but i've met not quite manage to find someone that can kind of do that. You know the sensual and the rough at the same time this. I've had people go. Oh yeah all about you know dominate in and everything when it comes to where it and i'm just like okay as the web swears the chains to go jay was definitely like like booking weekends away like this places in brighton where they had the hotels and they have dungeons dungeons sounds important to my hometown. Yes and stuff like that. I don't think him even though there will be times when it was amazing like make love and all that but sometimes you know i really wanna be punished dominated. Oh oh how how can we talk and we're talking like website that i absolutely love kink. Oh my god king i i just i love love to go over there and just let them do anything to to issue. I would love what site king dot com light to go. I i would love stu yet. The hot tie you know where they level bari's. Yeah ah the machine. I am like fifty shades of grey me. It was the other one up and like vampires that twinkle making eh donation straight yeah. I love the different types of phrases you cou. People people have a cooler so demanding but he's he likes being submissive but so we're talking like a power button so he's just like also. Can you look at the camera and tell me that i'm a i'm a bad fan boy and i'm gonna like jesolo of your face but can you do this and can you like move your lips like this in the movie and i'm just like getting pissed off fucking demanding. You're constantly telling me to do something. Call me. I'll take that for straight annoying. Being gay is annoying sir. Do you want me to dominate. You're not i'm suppose being controlled here. You're in control but you just like being fucked up the ass number four the worst. The worst is probably a few of my seines really <hes>. There's been a few times where it was too much. Where the producer you so would say this and i personally don't like the fake fake kind of lying ooh yeah that kinda like <hes> voice baby lally got my ass god an american. It does not come from. I know that couple of a cone that was like everybody shout out what you think. An orgasm sounds like and everyone was like and now you all sound like you're from america because that's all the poem that you look like shit. My mind is slow. One of my mates faulk in the bar from this months ago and outsides out on the balcony and i was like she's going to what's what's like a k. K. for me like i'm more like i brave quite heavily the life online like that and then at the end. I'm like giving you or what but i prefer more natural. Oh kind of like a script and all i can say this line this line when you say it is when you don't have like when you when it turns animalistic and it's just grunting and we're noises the hot stove i get there's people at at the level that don't get me wrong but for me i passi like the more natural kind decides you know when when it gets like grim t dislike just like you make whatever noise you want 'cause 'cause i've been on say sets of what people like goes and guys at same time time and it kind of puts you like for me. It's meal for adele. Pick some like <hes> okay. Do i need to do more to the fake who are who who are who are among our from indoors to our set accent okay. So what was what was happening on. Saddam was the producer trying in to get you to be really super perform dad and it was a bit too much just just much like full-on for me. Pressurizing pressurizing made citians aside. I've just been breaked. I'm bleeding all. I've been ripped a few times shit yeah. Eh one we had about five ten minutes left and we needed to pop shaw saucer. Okay i'll go to toiler sponge up there and since yikes of some companies don't allow that you know blo blog edge the sauce. I you know i felt bad because you know but then again i don't my full it because if you were bleeding in the injury inside it means that you're more susceptible to get an sti painful like like not to mention horrible is not nice feeling and now like i find it really hard to perk bigger toys may because it must be scarring donate vow actually gone and got it checked in quite some time but i haven't worked in the industry so long i mean i'll still get like tested and everything <hes> which i'm all bowel but yeah like i think just just too much pressurizing them no asking. Are you actually okay yeah. So you disgraceful none porn porn companies like that should not exist out existing now smiley face but it's just yeah i think you know where you know so scared for so many years to open up and talk about and so many of the performers are scared right because they're like the minute. You say something bad about company. You know i'm naming no names that they're all she said this and now you get listed and stuff the fear of getting more work yeah. It doesn't mean an wonder why so many people not opening are shutting themselves so away and then it gets to march and for me like almond over thin claw and when i you know just closed up and just <music> get so much and i don't think anyone should be put in that position to feel like that edison especially when it comes to sex daphne africaine fought number five the that made me gain my axe that we hold so much to the long i just there's something i really looked up to him. In many different ways of see i felt really close to him like a proper deep connection then and that's so right and there's been so many as where i kind of close on hide my belly hide my thighs voice and stop because i hated my body and i still in a way do but i'm much with it. I i think it was just learning new things but my body i can do like square in for instance so he took heat as often say toll assigned to happen. He made it happen so just thought and now i'm just like holy. Moly i can use call on your own jacket. Yeah wow i'm like about week goes or see filming and everything and i was already got my dog zero and everything such use my fingers on on it when i slide all mike and mike it probably win. You know quite you know from where i'm sitting hates. It may be too the windows how far more six five six by far crazy see like the power that she comes out and it's a law like a law was learning squirt light something that really changed your sex side <hes> yeah because i actually had massive orca. I was like in the porn scenes. I've never orgasm never saw a god. I mean don't get me wrong. There's probably women out there that do reach orgasm and everything for me. I think it was because i was body consciousness well so my brain was thinking of things you know the time a and he helped me kind of you know relax more in a pin blindfold dawn <hes> time i felt so light on my god lane everything to the point wow such new. I'm just gonna go naked now. Oh hey i mean we all thank him. Flop just so unlucky and i'm. I'm looking at them do you. Do you have any tips for squirting. 'cause we always have to find. I know every female females spitzer like different even though the same some everything's in a slightly different i find for me i kind one of my fingers in and i heard talk like you knew where some people they just put the finger straight and not for me love for a grip claw and i just kind of like massage in a circle and it gets psych like very like sense takes very sensitive down there and then i just kind of light. Give it rob but doing the come hit emotions yes. I'm sure i'm gonna go back and then you didn't it backwards like well. She's doing so lights yeah. It's like yes we they go solidly cheaper fingers and press hard donate because yeah g-spot when expands it does get harder itself so you need more pressure on and may be some times massaging the pubic bit because i find i did it. I was doing it with the dog. Seen this feels good. Yeah i ask you. This really weird thing sometimes when i'm masturbating if i rub my stomach <hes> like my the actual stomach area like above where pugh berry is if i wrote like you know if you're hungry robin. If i rub my steady in a circle walsum masturbating the orgasm builds so quickly and way more intense. It's the weirdest thing it's like. I think it's the double oh you were kissing. W w weird it's not win. It's not where i turned up before where i've literally. I just sit. There and i just wanted my hands across my body. I call my family. I do that on my is this something about getting mike your body. He focused on that area. I rarely send his stomach like an auditing. The blood around payback realize touching is such such a big thing yeah and women it it does they say well. It takes some women forty five minutes to actually reach orgasm and there's so many the people are willing to do forty five minutes. Don't maybe so no wonder why females get so frustrated and go to the doc say yes find just gently just kind of just teasing me getting like a feather may running over may and just in no way like you like socio. Don't have a guy or female to do the kissing in khorasan in order so i have to say now must i must look stupid but i don't really care <hes> you know just touching myself up feathers everyone as a bit strange when they survey i think yeah i did a video and i literally my body jus- wen- in and out like i had doodo in the docks how and like my budget. I wrote and i was filming at the time now. Psych resigned care. Put it up. Everyone loved it yet. Yeah and i was like four. I was like kind of like like took back by the dishes very like like i was completely naked in officer my stretch marks and everything and gear people after so sorry who's being done noticed the gripes that we have about they just see you. Ah okay so for this section of our poker's we have a question from <unk> our listeners and today's is this is from a fan of the podcast pathway. Wow we have those we do you okay so i came through conflict with a friend of mine regarding the sex industry and sex trafficking essentially her opinion is that all forms homes of the sex industry are wrong and the reason track of trafficking exists. I would love to know what you guys think. It's it's a hard odd one really because we also don't know what their conversation was like. I mean they might this person. Running game could be biased and that's what they've taken from mm conversation is that she or this person disagrees with the whole industry v._h._s. Get that's what it sounds right sound like gas. She doesn't approve of any he kind of. I don't know if that's the case. A friend's response was no this is not okay. The majority of people who choose sex work chose it because they have a history of abuse. They also experienced <unk> abuse in the life. There's a new time coming to life could survival traffic trafficking king. What's a choice with no option. There is so much more behind this choice. This is why most people have to sit through human trafficking one. I one why why is it that people. I hate that quite law where people that don't know nothing nothing about the industry at all they just assumed just could you see things doesn't make you know have really frustrates me that people think just because i know obviously there are people that have had pass another thing but does not none of anyone's business until they you know open up to someone and share that but i just think thank why use that like is argument like just because that thing yeah that's gone yes yes they are views and it's a lot of people on in the sex industry or abuse and it's just such a poor <music> augument for sex workers sex work and trafficking or to completely two different things yes sex work is legal in this country and it's by somebody who wants to do sex we every form chooses to go to the shoes. They greet way before they shoot so i mean there are shoots. I had booked in nineteen months prior so i had those two months of who knowing that i had to share was getting forcing you know and no one was you know forcing me like property appropriate forcing me or anything like that you know. Trafficking is so i won't start is like they have got you by money or drugs or they were they. Do you think you're going to a better country for better. Living and you don't know anyone to get help and this is something you just fall into account teenagers off the straight. Yes stolen yeah. I i went to thailand about two years ago now and in the ship club they have out there you you sink also way too young way to yami insane in a different country. You know how you know the poverty the ace and how is so different there or even just watching documentaries like one that i absolutely love is louie for al through three. That's yeah heated documentary on like you know human trafficking and stuff like that and there was basically these women had ah sugar daddy sugar pimps and everything and you know they some of them were literally dragged and of c- we know on all sorts and staff and i it's it's so different but is sex trafficking. Yeah sex work is different destroys voice. There are of course issues where people will start doing sex work with the choice and then end up being in a situation where they don't want to be there. You know there's coercion being manipulated. There is other instances and it is the same with porn but it's no different to like being in your office desk and your boss making. Can you do something you don't wanna do make overtime is just a very different round because it is sex and it is not talked about enough and it's people still are awkward about there's so many sex workers who love their job and they would want to do anything else that is not sex trafficking like yeah like high of seated as people say a new job but what is normal is and i did. I'm ashamed behind the bars and everything it just high a just was not for me doing a nine to five job. I mean i've the had normal jobs beforehand. I mean i was in high chart like manager and think and then dates working in schools in nurseries and every and serve in a way i did enjoy but then i just got fed up with pay. They just always working for their company like you know and i was getting paid next to nothing did you that freedom asi l. Massively it definitely like i could do one morning where i work in the morning be done by twelve day the whole day to do what i like. Okay i mean as well carry on working but you know that we days where i you know i let you go bads so yeah a- and what you do is not sex trafficking all non choice al-saqr barking how oh okay so this. Week's sex story from our listeners is my was sex. Story was also my first time. I was dating this guy who i apparently placed in the friend zone for seven years. We were both budget wins and often spending multiple times over at his house trying to have sex. We gang interrupted and we decided to stop planning it. We graduated high school. The and one of our really good friends rented a beach house for a couple of weeks for senior week. Senior week is something in the united states that graduating high school students do to celebrate a break getting their high school diploma with drinking and or traveling or both we had multiple friends come with us me and him went to the beach whilst everyone else went grocery shopping and gang false food off we got back. We showered a noticed. Everyone was still away. We were both horrible being an off us time but he immediately came after two minutes then he tried to help me but i just knew it wasn't going to happen at the moment have at that moment. Everyone came home left to bring everyone food. He immediately got dressed and left the room to going at taco bell and eat with them. I i was still naked lying over the sheets. That's pretty horrible isn't it. I'm glad i broke up with him. I just wish was suna so he went off to the first having sex they just finished and he was like okay going get food to the friends now. That's not radiate with them and if he was getting up and getting joyful i would've done the same shit man i'm hungry. Let's go have some food. You bet your time you want cut off to touch me. I guess that some people not affectionate and it sounds like they just one notch after working kind of tell from the beginning. Can you know they tried. I mean when you come to plan things especially like that car lining sex the first time especially chat it's dangerous task really because then you end up if you planet you'll just in constant fear anxiety that it's going to happen worrying about it over the thinking and then it's built up for nothing although having said like oh yeah he she could have gone up as well he should be like let's go to yeah i remember him going off and leaving hence why she's feeling that way or it could be embarrassment if he came not not quickly like it's totally normal to come quickly especially your first time and it could've just been he was embarrassing humiliated workout situation especially as a he could make dot com yeah oh yeah and he can make comments a double whammy on his part as much as a little bit upset about it that the he's probably probably horrified yeah so the new jewish. Hey like like people stories of having sex you know and there's people that go all the what was it for like two free hours. What kind of you we know the kind of young. I'm you expect so much to be left wanting paying more wanting. We're just done this crazy thing together yeah and also you're expecting for your first time to have an orgasm. I mean it's good. They're number issue first first time. It's very rare to have an orgasm on your first time. Even though she didn't really complain really she wasn't going to happen. Yeah farragut. It's it's probably a sometimes we fought and it is two minutes on both of us can come at the same time it just sounds bodies would not entwined they were it wasn't ready. I i was just wasn't meant to bay unfortunately well. Unfortunately we are going to have to stop off off now unfortunately so unfortunate pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you thank you for being so brutally honest. We appreciate thing more of that. Yeah i feel so much better. Just get off my chester certain things such bake aac relief such big relief amazing. Thank you so much for coming in spending time with us. Please please know where lovely listeners can come find you. Oh yes that's see all my my platforms and that <hes> yeah i mean the main want. The i use is my twitter. <hes> which is jasmine james capital x x one is huge yay. Go check out only coming stuff. It's yeah i do having scam. Oh jasmine james to i seventy seven fully jasmine also follow come curious while we're doing this whole instagram. Okay grab shell out. Please do and send us your sex questions and stories twice graham. Oh yeah baby you subscribe to this. It costs because it's amazing. You don't wanna miss an episode. Give us a rating or a v._a. Unsubscribe issue china with so close to one hundred thousand subscribers on mesa jason. Tell all your friends to subscribe to our youtube channel. Yeah help us out guy. Let's fuck off now hello.

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ACS (Part 1): Jay Baruchel

The Adam Carolla Show

58:01 min | 10 months ago

ACS (Part 1): Jay Baruchel

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ACS sign up today for Corolla drinks deal that should see you stocked with all the booze you'll need until two thousand twenty for the upcoming apocalypse whichever comes first so I had to Corolla newsletter dot com today and get ready because every week the ace man. We'll be right there in your inbox from guerrilla one studios in Glendale California. This is the Adam Corolla show Adams yesterday yesterday. Jay Barish Shell with geographic on news. SPALL BRIAN ON SOUND effects. And Dave Davis here for good sports. Now reminding minding you this holiday that your gift of hope is a great deduction Adam Corolla. The AC it ought again on the on the mandate getting on. Thanks for tuning in and thanks for sharing in this month where we'd like to share. Good Day Gina Grand. Eighty you your gift of hope is a great deduction southern cal the phone. Yeah Jewish. Oh yeah talking about. That was their jingle. That was their jingle. That was was there and it's love people signed off on that I you know I've heard a million march of dimes and red kettle and in every give and give a dime given dollar whatever you have it all helps you know. And there's a lot of like your gift of eighteen dollars dollars could feed a family of eleven and cry in Opium Utopia right and the opium whatever whatever it is easy open. Utopia are too little too close to push low right so I've heard them all but I've never heard him talk about the deduction they're savvy actual tattoo savvy better than the southern California Jewish centers. Great what is US Southern California Southern Cal- phone Jewish center. That's the jingle because it answers the question what's in it for me deduction and then the other thing. I marvel that is while everyone else was asking for A. AH The low A.. And a couple of quarters. Anything helps at the high end. You're twenty two dollars could sponsor family or whatever it is the southern California Jewish centers like hey boats. RV Car yeah bring it on down. It was like our res. That's a big ticket item. That ain't fucking socks. That's an item that I think that a dent in the CAN. That's a home that's got that's got some ebay value. Yeah wow very ASCII needy eighty and somewhat say what rhymes with needy people savvy. Savvy savvy savvy is the southern California Jewish center. They're still around. There are also used to be around. Here I used to see a van a Jews for Jesus Fan Messianic. I don't mess that's what those people so that was The Senate so I was Mike. Mike has been staying at my house. So we're working on our book and and so I've been seeing seeing him jingle all more Lucky Mike. Yeah he Mike got a swimming pool. More let me give you another jingle and this one is apropos to the swimming pool there is fun in the water. But there's danger to a new guy to swim well so nothing happens to you. Learn learn how to the Y.. MCA learn how to swim but never swim alone. Their safety in numbers don't strike out on your own. The never dive unless you know the water's not too shallow. And it's clear below now that I remember that I remember when I was seven seven. I have no idea and I have no idea I learned I took Spanish I probably took six semesters of Spanish Spanish and I got pokka. That's all I got a rose convoy and my name is Parker. That's the two things I got from Mike and Mike the pool this morning. I told him he's gotta go in before for and there's a video film of Mike Fill laid out next to the pool and he just walks in with purpose and he chickened out on his first. Run anyone in with with never felt more brittle fifty two ambient temperature indicating Mike Physique. Looks like he's fifty to Captain of industry. Yeah a good for him I want in. Yeah I went in and then Mike Mike started get in and then Mike got out and I said I know he's coming back. He wouldn't do this now he he'd never come back for us alone but he's got me and Roberto at their no. Roberta thinks I'm insane rain because he's painting on the back of my house and he watches me come out fees in the back of my house and he watches me. Mike took a picture picture. The the plate that has all the INFO on it fifty to fifty to fifty two degrees fifty three outside But he got under water and he did it and he feels better. How awake were you once you're done with that my feet were tingling for the next hour right and I told you? Also you'd be standing out in your Tommy Johns and fifty degree weather soaking wet and you would not feel cold. Right wasn't yeah. I didn't even need the towel. Yeah they're your first thought is like a shame was enough to warm Tommy. John's no the fuck idea with the crazy gringos up there. And I said I was saying to Mike Selling this to the Mexican guys and including Roberto the throw yourself in a freezing pool of water. Every morning I said it's like excelling them the seven dollar Jamba juice versus the FAJITA platter at Bj's you know it's like are you nuts across the Rio Grande Ed. I ed midnight winter is it doesn't make sense to inflict this on your salad. Do that again. No but the thing about the thing about the John Ombu juices. It's healthier than the bad Burger Combo whatever you are never going to explain to them why this cold thing that's made of Celery celery is. You should pay the same price as dead cow with French fries. No no Goddamn way. Can I just say you're you were talking jingles and I've had this jingle stuck in my head for two weeks and I finally made Andy Listen to it last night. I will say I'm not pregnant. And this is not some thinly veiled. Anything is just a song song. Did you guys have USA baby where out here when you were don't thinks I know it's like it's like a department store for kids. Crap from Krypton they could not get the commercial out of my and I finally had to look at it on Youtube it was. You're having a baby. The feeling can't be beat. But you better decide where the baby is gonNA sleep come to USA baby. If you don't delay you'll have to pay a stowaway crib sales coming your way at USA baby and the story CRIBS L. was always on sure so that doesn't ring a bell. No they could not get it out of my head out have that. Aw layaway unprincely away. That's bad by the way that's one of my things where you bring you. Bring your kid in there you go into. I lay on a crab and then I just collect the government could fish academy ring. You should not be raising a child you around him you're too young for this or too young onto altruism sure. You were digging ditches at this point but to my generation Judy. You're too young. Eliza Lynch don't go too far from the microphone because they did. PSA's yes as the jingles. For those. Mr Robinson Mr Robinson who broke my wind remember who broke my window Mormons from the nine tries of Latter Day saints. Who broke my windows on a two minute? Play telling the truth isn't going to be less. Oh my ribera must call nervous in que- numbers I took this from your store and I'm sorry. Takes a big man to admit when he was wrong of latter day time thing but the WHO wrote my window that is the same time. There was my teacher told me I should never tell a lie because alike and bring you trouble by in by. Yeah Yeah it's an awful thing to do and it's you enter and true the Mormon Church Jesus Christ had A. That's the way it is truly what you're GonNa do today and then I go. I'm going to share but I never understood those kind of commercials like I know in Manuel Miranda asked Kubrick by window. Look for that Max Pat. I also also want to know about my shots fired. I need a number on my shots. Fired remember do that. I I had a now. Don't shake your head shots fired. I was on the phone with your twenty five minutes ago. I need a number all right. I got I got a thought because I was well. I'll give him a few minutes to find. That had something to do with the London police and the terrorists and the bridge and Blah Blah Blah. I want to tell you I was talking to Mike. Mike and I were Having a deep philosophical discussion and I was talking about sort of Compassion being and and being compassionate and I was I was sparked by tweet. I saw mark Mike Burglary and I was looking. I don't know how stuff I don't know how stuff comes up on my stop stop. But there's Mike Berger no hugging he said all I want for my next president for them to be compassionate and it showed Elizabeth Warren like hugging a college student. That's an interesting subject because I really have no interest in that but I said I said to Mike I said there's there's really I realized mayor. Garcetti is being compassionate to homeless people by letting him die in the street and I want to take them in put him somewhere and give them I wanna I wanna I wanNA incarcerate them essentially and that's my compassion. We'll compassionate too extreme like the compassion isn't just I feel bad for these people in such like no it's providing for them or or setting up infrastructure that can help them kidding them to do things that they really don't WanNa do or forcing them to do things they don't want to do and then I thought so this compassion thing you could argue the ultimate compassion would be scraping them off the street while they kicked and fought you and dragging them to some sort of detail. Yeah right so that's my compassion. And I had this interesting thought thought which was phil likes to eat things off the counter and fill is now graduated into eating things off the counter in the kitchen and he used to steal a pork chop now. He's getting into bottles of of kids multivitamin and cream bottles racist hepatic. The other day he walked in and he was on the carpet with the whole big brick of honey he chewed the top gone full Winnie the Pooh. And it's interesting. Because I think think Mike pointed out that Phil is scared. Shitless of Olgun and Phil won't enter the kitchen when Olga is there air but on Saturday when Olga's not there he's in the kitchen and he's on he's on the honey now. Nobody loves fill. Fill more than Lynette. Lynette is in love with fell so she has a lot of compassion for Phil. Yeah Yeah but also leaves the honey where Phil can choke on the honey. So incredible love for Phil Loves Phil Too much to be able to do what. Olga's is which swift kick in the ass and then also has this sort of rolled up newspaper that she smacks her hand and makes it noisy Phil goes trotting out his head. Down Fill trots with perfect like scoots like August. Wax are hand once with the sports page and its role and Lynette and me. The dog is trainable. Hannibal pro so trainable. We see that and we go out. Don't be mean half Hash but the dog is also choking on the lid of honey container which could kill it. Indeed so who is the compassionate announce society kind of looks exit. Lynette as the compassion in this case. But it's really Olga who's saving the daughter potentially from choking providing for like people that compassion. She means just being nice or being sweet like the politician hugging the college student or kissing babies. The old image of Kissing Bat Shit about compassion is helping providing four. And then sometimes it's tough love oftentimes and we are blurring that line and everyone is looking at the person wanting to hug or give dopey be mean to fail. Look and feel scared you do you want to do. What are you scared of me in this regard intervention? That's compassionate like say. Is it Nice Jason W we we don't speak do or provide for you anymore. We really hurt their feelings. Out is extremely combat. It right yeah. I could also put a new entry entry into the language of losers as overheard from the kitchen. When I sit all day G he took the whole thing honey and Algo went? WHOA Lynette? Why'd you leave the honey next and Lynette went? Who could have seen this happening and I was like well? You weren't unique position to have seen this happen times before when things were too close so that is a language of losers there. Yes you could have seen it happening because you were here. Made made the announcement that nobody can leave stuff near the edge of that counter. Because Phil will get it. And he is He's a bad boy and then Olga. Okay something struck me. which she went she went like you gotta train fail? You can't let Phil into this kitchen when you're when you're not when I'm not here and I said I said Yeah I know I get and she went. It's for his own good and I was like. Oh Yeah you're right you're right. It is for his good. It's for his good that we smack the the the sports pages scare fill out of the kitchen so compassion. I was looking back chocolate chips or something candy right and I was GonNa kill him so he just started to get into the honey before I found him also. So we're talking Mike and I were talking about like e Bt Card at Jack in the box that's something that diversion Gavin newsom would be like. These people should have dignity and they should be able to. You know whatever it's like I'm sure are there morbidly obese. Already they're not earning any money they're the last people who should be hanging out with Dawson full-time eating Jaguars. There's people that nobody needs. Free Jack in the box. Nobody needs government-sponsored. Free Jack The book. I would argue that four tacos rose for under two dollars is extensively free like we're angry already at Jack in the box. You're not knowing the so destitute that they can't get at four Tacos at a at a Jack in the box and yes I'm compassionate. I don't want people buying lottery tickets or eating a jack in the box and I don't think thank you can buy lottery tickets but to extend don't want them buying cigarettes lottery tickets or anything of that notion with the the electric debit whatever whatever the wick and whatever you know this is a perfect example of and I am so afraid to say this because I know what it triggers but what Greg Kinnear in Little Miss Sunshine. The Ice Cream Scene Dan Compassionate man never falls. Yes that's everyone is looking at. I'm going why don't you being nice to your daughter and it's because my daughter's eating ice cream and pancakes underway to beauty pageant. And she's already overweight. Wait which is unhealthy. And she wants to be in the paget tiny nice cream all day right so that is a very good scene. It did mark the we used to know what was good for little boys and little girls and little dogs little folks on welfare and Little Miss Sunshine so now it's Oh come on be nice. Where's your compassion? All right Max. PATTA yeah shots fired. What are we got? I'm I'm I'm watching the video right now. So there's probably an article that says like how many how many okay. I didn't know if you want it specifically from the source that many shots so I was I was. How long does that video to interesting story? The Larry elder videos fourteen and a half dollars to all right. You just look an article and see how many what was the. What was the kid's name woods woods? Okay so the thing. That's interesting I was going to share with you guys and then it sort of deaf tailed into something else. The cabinet case that got him into being civil rights activists. The case is not one that people are aware of. It's a a little known kind of woods. Woods was shot by the cops that part wheat. We guy wasn't a singular case. I don't remember if he was like over the one thing that's what he says is okay Evidently obviously I can ask about it and I don't know if Gary Ghosh's asked him but he said this is the case that made me do this and so the the the case was a guy named woods and he had a knife anyone you wouldn't put the knife down any like slash somebody and the cops and put the knife down here. Put the knife down and then they try to all the beanbags and all the junk that never that junk it seems to work on same people that don't have. Yeah what's your beat up on something beanbags and the rubber Polish and stuff they they tend to agitate people come Tom. They tried five nonlethal of bullets fired and anyway the the point is this. It wasn't a great case. Get behind because he had a knife. Hyphen slashing buddy. There's a crowd of people. There cops kept yelling. Drop the knife. And they tried a whole bunch of non-lethal things and then he came at them and then they'd kill them so no that's like well they're better cleaner cut cases to get on board than that but the reason Max pat ascribe to the tape as you. You know what ends up exacerbating all these things is. He was shot twenty three times like this. Oh crazy number of times guys were shocked. Talk it's two or three cops and the number of rounds and I was looking at it and I was like yeah. It's true when the COP shoot these guys. They shoot him a bunch and sometimes it's three guys all shooting seven rounds but sometimes it's one guy just emptying a clip and there's a lot of that and I I saw briefly awfully on the news and it always. It always seems to be the case that no matter what the situation was whether the guy was armed armed or unarmed or whatever. The situation was the one thing that remains is a Lotta rounds fired by the cops that that much that that's the one thing you can't argue about is tons of rounds into a tweet or a headline of the nuance of knife a nonlethal. It's a little more nuanced but like that can be shared so and so shot twenty three twenty six bullets were fired by five different cops. Okay now he now look look. My ideal is if you're running around and you slash somebody with a knife in your in the street and bunch of guys with guns and uniforms asked you to drop it fifteen hundred times you won't then eventually you get shot and whether you're shot twice or twenty six times that that's neither here nor there to me. But I was watching the news with the London. I guess they're on a bridge in London and the COP showed brought up and that terrorist guy was stabbing people and I think he killed the man and a woman he was subdued and he had what was supposed to be a AH explosive device vast and so the cop shot him out of safety because they thought it was going to blow himself up and I was watching the tape and I I heard two shots and I thought man. That doesn't seem very it. Doesn't I mean you could shot him once in the shoulder once in the need like I know there were standing pretty close but two shots. This guy's a terrorist. He's killed two people with a knife. They're laying around huddles blood and he has what is an explosive close. If you think you would empty a clip into this guy we have the tape. You guys tell me to two shots and I thought man. This guy's are thrifty whore. It's funny because they don't like guns but when they do use guns. It's too shy. Yeah we love guns when we use guns we use. I read the whole can of pringles. Sorry Max pass at something you possess. It's loading right now. There's there's just an ad plane so we got okay all all right so I mean first off that must have been a hell of a shot like Snyman. He was standing near the guy but still two shots kind of in the heat the battle in two shots. Only as far as I could tell I told Max pat check the tape and he said yeah to. Yeah there's clearly two wow you must have got a real like headshot or something he'd I'm saying. LAPD would've done head shot hip shot. Nick Shot Standby Bye. Bye Shot Sonny Corleone car shots like shot ricochet shot like they would have got lots of shots. That's just I mean if you really think about it's kind of a mentality right like do versus. I don't really WanNa do this better. Okay here's the force. Yes all right Max van. If you can't produce it I'll move onto the next. What's what does the Internet were quite? It got replaced with like people talking over it and I don't WanNa play that one eh new. Set your place videos on there on the same time. Well this fine a clip of the thing. It'd be pretty pretty easy I was I'm going to do in my annual say annual. I guess every year and a half pilgrimage to Jay Leno's garage rush to sit on the tonight show that and introduce our movie shelby American Nice and we've done it with UPI we've done it with Newman. We've done it with the twenty four hour war. This'll be our fourth film and it's Nice Jape. Fires up the grill. Bats Eh bats. Who's this guy Bernard Bernard Bernard Bernard Abi walking around. He's is I it'll be walking around He'll make everyone brought he'll offer Soda he'll ask me how things are going and answer for me things. Yeah good back. My children just died in a bus accident. Good good good I live by. I don't mind that I don't. I don't mind that characteristic when people do the Good good you get soda machine because the machine is big cooler in there we're going to eat. And then he'll make Braatz and then that place that place is Drier Than Salt Lake City during prohibition I don't know but I may have to Bring a six or does he doesn't indulge and for some reason his guys don't either I don't know if they're taking never never said anything or driven judgy but I've flown with him and his guys on a private yet and like I mean. Atlantic city like leaving Atlantic City like midnight coming summit backed him van. Is it like this Millerton. Six in the morning after doing a comic shot a Saturday night I'm going for that minibar. And everyone else is sitting there reading now auto trader. There's nobody taking a curious what's going on. Yeah so so. We're going to go over there tomorrow. We're going to bring shelby American American and we're GONNA sit on the tonight show set. We're going to watch it. And I've been in Jay's Auto Museum many times and I've I've been I've seen the movie and so on and so forth but it's Kinda like will Ferrell's character. Sorry Will Smith's character would do in. Let's see independence. We liked that cigar. They do a lot of those words that get done from the mission and come back. Allies is scarlet that. That's light a cigar. We've finished at the end it's out it's don it but this is we're done and we're going to sit with. Jane is crew and watching watching on the tonight show set and it feels very very satisfying and it feels kind of official and then it's a like especially now that's been the fourth time like we'll see in sixteen ecksteen months. We'll be back again all right. You got the London Yeah you guys can listen at home and tell me if there's just two shots fired rod daylight it's too that's enough now. LAPD would how many you still firing reloading all right. So I found that's interesting Right L. and so as far as the Leno thing goes I saw him on. TMZ Yeah I got the news and he was asked about Gabe Gabrielle Union and I thought to myself I don't know I I I you know you they do cycle through the gals or the others in that. Show was America's got talent whatever and it's fine and I anyway but I heard on TMZ. And then I had Chris confirm it one of her. A reoccurring complaints was she didn't like Simon cowl smoking in his dressing room and Simon cal is the creator of that show indeed so and he wasn't smoking in your dressing room. I get the argument. I can still smell i. I get it I get it I when someone fires up a vintage car doubt the street you can smell it and someone fires up a leaf blower lawnmower you can smell it. There's there's places you can smell stuff I get it. But he created the show and he's in his dressing room and I know the rules mandate mandate that he be outside but he created the show and he's in his dressing room and you're complaining that he smoking because it's seeping in your. Yeah and all I'm saying is if you do get fired. She's claiming there's no permanent wall when whatever he's in his dressing room and he's smoking I don't care she had this wall enough or whatever she can smell it I get no doubt she can smell. I'm saying if the producers at some point are thinking I know Mexico. She says she's allergic to smoke. I don't think anyone's allergic to smoke. I thicke free. Nobody really likes smoke. Who doesn't doesn't smoke? I don't I don't even know really what this can condition is what I'm saying. Is this one you go when the producers decided to shit can you and then they go to Simon cow go. Hey guess what we're thinking about doing. Do not expect expect him to go to bat for you. See what I'm saying is the DALLAS. Yeah don't expect him. Don't back the guy. You ratted out three or four our time about smoking in his own dressing room to all of a sudden march. Let me put my cigarette out. I'm marching into the office and I'm GonNA fight for you. Don't expect like that especially eminently replaceable. Yes there are any number of people that can do that while also no one exactly knows what you do like we will go. She's an actress right and the APP ED issue saying like I don't know what exactly what what she does so anyway we will That that was That was what I saw saw on Leno. Leno didn't say anything nasty quite the opposite. I actually have that audio for the newsletter Leno will. Leno is a quite the politician. When I mean politician I mean no politician? He's right down. The middle with everything is diplomats. Make friends that's right all right let's see We've got shots fired. We got that. Let Me Hit Zorro over here. Our C. T. O. J.'s here okay. Zara Z. O.. R. Dot Com. Find everything you need for your business of any size. And almost any industry tools and equipment safety office and cleaning supplies and more tons of stuff for electrical plumbing contracting in manufacturing and more brands. 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Had A conversation with Mike Lynch about like I said on. We're walking fill that I said we. What do you think American car companies would be right now minus competition? What would we be driving? What would be coming out of Detroit or Mexico like what GM product because they're they're making a good product now but what in absence of Japanese German import competition? 'cause basically it's like saying that's what I went for school in the mid eighties all the time. What but what dreamworks did they made every making myself? They've rose that tied lifted all the everyone. Everyone's came got got brought up a lot. Animation Depart. You are almost unreserved right. Almost almost I loved how to train your dragon black movies and all the movies and now the Moody's switches coming on Fox tonight as you hear this nine o'clock on Fox with Dennis leary. Something got Dennis leary back into basically Sitcom I don't know divorced what's going on. I don't see that guy pop up on networks that off you know no. I haven't not not not not in a minute And it was Yes lovely to work with them and there's as is a you know unfortunate choice of hockey teams. But you can't help where you're from. He's a big Big Boston. Bruins Scott is yeah his unenviable task of Being from there can I blow. I don't know anything about hockey. I in terms of UNDIS- kind of from La La. The Valley Ice Skate did it. Nobody knew anything about it and played football and stuff like that but I did blow Dave damage. Mine mine who is the number one Pittsburgh Penguins Fan get ready with the logos when I explained to them. There's only one logo in all of professional hockey. Where the animal or the character the creature? Where's ice skate? Oh yeah fair fair and it's also the only only one that lives on ice so he doesn't need it doesn't benefit incredibly reasonable observation versus. Somebody doesn't care about hockey. I gave it a lot of thought and I ended up as better for so thank you. We we go on the shoulders of this observation well. The coyotes could use scapegoat the desert. Anyone anyone but we want now and it's the Penguin Fair and how much enjoy the sport. Now you've ruined it man. Well thanks for having me. What is your what is your team? Punchout Canadian Oh yeah Montreal boy I like it and did you speak French I can. Yeah it's my second language but I can speak here. How is that? What is the I don't know optics? And what is kind of the politics of French and friends and I feel like we're a lot of that in la. Spanish is kind of a thing. I don't know that we have the time to get into it man because it goes back Akkas This is a three hundred four hundred year old issue but I guess all try Right here it down. Basically goes like this. It goes most of Canada predominantly english-speaking the province of Quebec eight million or seven million people Ninety percent of which are french-speaking When you get to Montreal though the city is split half and half now it? All goes back to the battle of the Plains of Abraham in Quebec City nineteen hundreds you know study hockey logos. Man Bad. No basically Long story short for for a long time Fringe people saw themselves as the marginalized minority. Where they were the ones working? But all the Factory owners I were English. Speaking and Flash Four thousand nine hundred seventy martial law's declared in the province of Quebec and there's Five thousand people arrested without Without cause and held you know armed soldiers in the streets and all this shit. Is it something what's ask. Yeah they did they did they were bombing. The there was basically They had a terrorist group called the NFL Q.. The Quebec Liberation Front. That was Yeah for ten years astray we're bombing angle neighborhoods. So the the basically. The French were sort of making the same claims that a lot of people make another lands but they maybe black or indigenous or Spanish. Yeah interesting yes it's it's it comes down to marginalisation but You know that's all before i. I was born thoughts on the movie Youngblood Adulterated Dog Shit. Rob Lowe's pitch. You're never one see his face in his feet on talk that fast. Yeah that's that's like Rob Lowe we wouldn't see your time but he may police Former Maple leafs player Peter's vessels legs In that movie Ronan I got a son. We're going to watch it later. This other guy not many other. There are few other hockey films. Show you like slapshot. Yeah it is. It's the this is my third favorite hockey. I want to know. Hardly Yeah I wanna I am also a punch and it was always I just new. You'd have some tape some really. I have a chip on my shoulder. Death that's great. That's great that is arguably better hockey than young and actually bring it back that takes takes place. At the penguin young blood bumps you like any doctoring stuff bumps. Dr Drew like any carpentry stuff like I watched charpentier stuff like. He's using a Finnish hammer frame. He's hitting sixteen pence CEO go. What's the best carpentry movie? Jesus Christ. Yeah yeah that's good. I can't do any better than that. No it's it's true when you know something the thing like. I was just watching or the world with Tom Cruise and he had raise the forklift out. Dairy Dr Ray. Tragic crane break crane down to the ground dwelling version of what he does. He's a crane operator but he walks in and he's got his shelby shelby. Mustang rent a racer you know hurts made a shelby Mustang that they rented or whatever they call it rent red's parking his drive and then in his kitchen he's like I'm rebuilding a three. Oh to the Mustang Eighty nine you get in your ruin the movie. You're disappointed. Betrayed the famously salt of the Earth Tom Cruise negatively unbelievable. Yes utterly preposterous will agree to. They disagree on young blood. I happen to know Rabwah skated all his scenes. Where you have to wonder like whether it's playing the guitar or skating or doing you know many many these endeavors? How many times can you go to the shot of the legs? Shot to the the guy's face looking determine shot back. How many times can you talk before? People start scratching their I think it's like three or four times China's perceived. I think that's probably the ceiling because famously. It's also very prevalent with the piano worse now. swayze he was also a tour to force. No he did all his scathing de Cano did though Canada's talk you playoff see nothing. Wow there I mean. Does everyone grow up. I mean like here. Her people like baseball. It's Kinda grow up playing it a little bit but natalie more really felt like maybe it was because I was in the world but it felt like eighty percent of the kid. The boys play the League headquarters. There's some version of over the line or three flies up or whatever there's always some bat and ball on something going on. It's it's pretty much left Canada. Everyone grows up skating or playing road hockey when in the summer has it gone. Has It gone away. It is namely down to the fact that it's expensive. It's a prohibitive expensive pastime and so it's it's becoming a rich kids game which is to the detriment of the sport And it's like soccer has replaced hockey playing Siren Canada. Because it's a it's a universal game and it's way more affordable in the NHL twenty years. From now I mean I remember growing up. Nhl Punch chip Canadian in in the League. And then it's on a Russian guys like that but is there but it'll be less twenty years from now there's not a generation so oh I got young blood then miracle miracle method are youngblood miracle the young blood space then miracle and I always leave that slide. Open that number two slot case. Someone makes a good hockey KUNA to would be right in. Both films are nicely and either of those spot. Where do you have miracle? I'm a massive fan but that's also but that's A. That's it's less about about the caliber of the Hawks thing. The hockey and miracle spectacular I take issue with Romanticizing An event that means It only means something in this country through the miracle on ice is irrelevant semi final game. And it's irrelevant to us. And also it was like America's America's love affair with hockey has been rocky to say yeah man and so I kind of when I I I can think of. I could name off the top of my head. Five great classic stories. That are Canadian. Way More indicative of the game of hockey way more important into the sort of culture as well. But it's a it's the hockey's very good in. That movie hurts wonder. Where do we go mystery Alaska? Or what are your top raith. Eighth Goon Goon last shot. I love see directed. Yeah Sean Williams Gun Ann. The Hanson brothers were at the American the New York Premiere the first goon. Oh awesome and I came up to him afterwards. What do you think the first thing? He's not as good a slapshot. Excellent expect you to say. Oh Kim coates is in that just the first two weeks ago. It's a really funny. You would like you Sunny Asia Watch. Is it up on Netflix. Yeah thank you think I saw the title for it. If that's where call all right title. Yeah I'd never known what to call tile now I don't know what else to call exactly right yeah tile. I'm not hoping to get a STANDUP Heil up on that. It just a little grout mortar. GROUSE BETWEEN BETWEEN BILL Byrne Joe Rogan's since even crowd around there. Yeah yes it's on net flicks along with Ya got two tiles up there. Twenty four in Shelby Doc. So I'll watch check goon and you can watch my Race cars where are you living in. La where I live in Toronto. I moved to Toronto but four or five years ago from Montreal. I've played Theaters all over the dentist of dead winters. In Toronto Winnipeg Guy I also also known as murder pig played the harsh way of life theater like Nelson Burton theater. The Dow the Burton Burton Cummings of the guess. Who of the guests who I love? That man deeply really underrated Vanden. Even I'd argue. Well bur the guests who suffered their their handful of bands that had dia diverse hit and people don't attribute that hit so it's like take a group like the hollies and they. They Sung long cool woman in a black dress and they sang. He ain't heavy. He's my brother. Well people don't know that's the hollies. Don't get Credit Harry. Nilsson be one of those two to yes. So certain bands are sort of punished for not for being good led Zeppelin's great band but that's all sounded like led Zeppelin Song. Do you know who they are. And they got credit for all of them and some of these bands if you go to like The guess WHO's greatest hits or you go to the greatest hits. You'll hear a bunch of songs that you know you'll go that's pushing they just needed a publicist correct Canadian bands. Guess Who Tiger Tiger's up there for sure I think I mean Russia's pretty good to start In what the drumming as best drummer in I I know he's consider later that. And you're a rock and Roll Guy Dawson. I think for me. It's a little older school but Deep Purple Ball. And what's impace. I feel like he may be the best rock and roll drummer. Ever think any thoughts. I I think neil periods the greatest drummer than ever existed. He's correct. I think you're correct that Ian Paice. How different a really all over the place style? The Guy I would say that Neil peered probably learned a thing or two. Oh without a doubt question pace Fr- uh-huh watching young bladder from friends through so when Satan shows up and the fate of humanity is on. I like like with fiddle fiddle playing. Who Do you need to do the drum solo every single time? Come at me when you get the best part of burn queued up up. I think we're GONNA make a fan at at at a j all right. Let's see so how is living in Toronto. I've I've enjoyed Canada. I've not enjoyed the folks that work at the Customs. They do not represent That that the country. They really don't like Canadians. Etienne's I find to be amongst the nicest people I've traveled with two but boy the customs rough they are not a Wittman sampler flirt. What's going on in that country? You're you're you're a little bit to be desired as everybody knows that Salaya manner everybody at lax is a dish that is clear like the guy works at the cinnabon there's something about lax. It's something something in the ambiance with even crappier ones 'cause 'cause we got your guys at our airports. US Customs you do it coming from candy doing the airport in Canada uh-huh and they are as as miserable as Aaron. Their jobs are even more miserable to be away from home and to be in fucking Toronto or wherever they are And they're not shy about letting me know that. So how is Toronto. I played shows there as well. I like it I was raised to hate it. There's are two towns or big big rival. I'm all in trial and hockey economic cultural in every possible way. But it's a great fucking city. It's expensive it's way too expensive offensive but I love it. How is it? There's cities that are expensive. You know Seattle San Francisco Vancouver. I mean it was super expensive and tower they with taxes and better. Yeah so so we yeah. We had to lower taxes on terror didn't Quebec however it cost way more to do you anything in Ontario like I found. The food is way cheaper and better in Quebec I'm a bit homesick when it comes to the food. That's for sure. How does it compare how Toronto Comparative San Francisco Seattle? LA or some. It's up there. Yeah it's it's it's it's up there. It's one of the most expensive cities in the continent rate. Now make people in Los Angeles only well around the country but especially in L. A.. Make US feel good about the price of gas. uh-huh we travel. I go to like Indiana. It's like two thirty one years. I taking my daughter the topping off you turn to sex have cash anymore. Never be enough. It was like four four something here. I know that you're probably going to do a per liter thing I can do at three point eight. I think math if you tell me the per her leader e okay so I am. The only thing that I'm worse at than math is car shit and so my combine your to lobby my my. My wife is the car nut and my wife is the one that knows how much everything fucking costs so I will. I assume I'll defer to her. I'll email. Yeah well back to paddle out. But I I'll guarantee Toronto gas coming in at six bucks plus a cow and I'm saying you're you're in L. A. are taken it in the keystone. We're GONNA feel pretty good about our four thirty five an hour when gallon. I should say about what's going on over over there. And then that would that would beg the question Jay now. This is going to be a great symbiotic. Nick thing for you and I but car guy. I'm not a hockey guy but I'm GonNa Watch the greatest saints sweater and white chocolate peanut butter cup. Lock up your daughters. I know I'm GonNa Watch Goon and you're GONNA watch the shelby American dot the FBI experts and things are not experts at but that does beg the question if there's a bunch of places along the Canadian border order in the United States and we're paying three dollars and twenty two cents a gallon and then you hop over and you're paying six fifteen. What's candidate now taking people do that? Shit all the time to hop over for what what are they. Let's by two. Are they tacking on three bucks. I mean what their plan and with that there must be. They must not be paying something else that they're paying what we're saying. I'm I'm guessing. The money's going to the schools take care to start with. Let's figure that orders. Let's figure that one out maxine. I'm curious what IT IS GALLON OF GAS IN TORONTO GALLON OF GAS IN LA. We'll see if we can feel good about ourselves in the meantime I'll hit CASTELL overhearing tweet us at Adam curle show with Hashtag ASHTEC casual challenge with your question brought to you by Castro formulated with fluid titanium technology. Three times full. Three Time's fool discussing breakdown leading. Castellet what are you got better at towel. Bhatt on twitter wants to know Hashem casual challenge. My my dad keeps telling me put nitrogen in my tires to keep the pressure steady. What do you think as man couldn't hoyt as Jewish doctor? When say Nitrogen Jin is better? Doesn't have like the water molecules in it doesn't like tend it expanded corrode and stuff like that and all you need to know as an F. One they use nitric fair enough offs. Oh the best people do at the best use nitrogen and certain places are going that way. It's like if you're driving around a SUV and you don't you know the you're not on an F. One track it's not that but it couldn't hurt it definitely couldn't hurt so what I would do is not do it and then just say to my dad just filled up with nitrogen and thanks POPs. He's he's going to go out to the driveway. put his nose by the foul sniff. It or something have a nitrogen sniffing dog like I do do that so do it. And thank you castrol challenge all right Let's see price of gas in Toronto expansion expansion in US dollars for a gallon three dollars. Forty nine cents going going into a spiral now now. I'm I'm really upset. Oh No not a whole theory. Bay just started doing the match because I know how much it costs last time. I filled L. dollars and I always like actually that's not that much for the car. We drive so I figured it was probably going to be end up on the low end so literally. No reason to live here when we I mean. Jimmy went to Vancouver to watch him film the X.. Files or something. I like in nineteen ninety six or something and we're looking up. Go God gases so expensive here and we all know. It's super expensive in Europe right so I was sorta like well anywhere. They go by the leader. It's gotta be gotta be God Damn It. It's what is it here. What's the average in Los Angeles three eighty five We're more damn it. It just looks better because they go by the leader so it's like no but it's all I had I had I will take a quick break. We'll come back with. Jay will do the news right after this.

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109: SPECIAL EDITION: Remainiacs onstage at PodcastLive

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

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109: SPECIAL EDITION: Remainiacs onstage at PodcastLive

"Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Hello. Welcome to remain the acts here the cost live politics day at the light in London's Euston gateway to the north. I'm doing linski I presented show. And when we put the event, we thought Britain would have left the u by now, we'd be talking to you through hot hot tears, but the best laid plans can go Ryan threes. A mate does not have the best laid plans. So we meet a pound quick. Check who listens to Romania axe. Let's get who's new to the show. And make some noise if you're any pause live Fidel important chopper and you hit to shout. Go by puzzles Ramona's, no. I've got three that regular panelist with me. That's not how we defense. Making a lifetime for maniacs. It splits commentator regular on the BBC sky and Bloomberg specialists on disinformation. A and deep fakes additional media here in person. So definitely not about. It's Nina Schick. As women in Brussels half the time. How would you characterize the mood of a European friends? Right now, they they calling us a cab. Well, they are definitely preparing for the worst. And I think that as they see the kind of seismic paralysis gripping Westminster. They're fully expecting an extension requests next week. And I think that trees Amee full well knows that she's going to have to make very clear what her next moves are on the tenth of April so expect that to be happening next week, and they see the potential of. Cataclysmic no deal Brexit as a very real possibility. And that is simply because some of the political discourse here is so out of kilter with the reality vis-a-vis, the EU, and what the you can offer and what it will offer in the negotiations. So a really good example of that is this idea that somehow a new prime minister, whether that's a conservative prime minister or labor, prime minister can go back and renegotiate the deal, which is the withdrawal agreement which has been negotiated for the kind of pasta and a half years. So that's closed. It's not going to happen throughout these talks. The EU has been very process driven step by step saying what's going to happen next. And in the UK, there's always been a kind of catching up period to the political reality in Brussels. So I think the mood is quite grim of because they think there could be the worst outcome, which is not only the worst outcome for the UK. But also for the EU. In particular, one of its Member States Arlanda, and that would be a new deal Brexit. Also, joining us is Alexandria writer actor singer, cook train Siler will serve its regular charmer. Man of the world. Rumania axe multiple threat on the Twitter legend owner sturdy, Alex. Hello, alex. How are you? To be fair. I am rubbish over things. But you have a go. Is there anything the current government can do to resolve things or do you think it will take a change of change of prime minister to to unlock the deadlock at least on on our end is Nina said, perhaps not this. I don't think that's an either. Or I didn't think anything the government can do can break the deadlock in June thinking change of prime minister can do that. Because the deadlock was built into the question that we asked people. So you know, when you promise people that they can have back absolute control of their borders. And also that the border in Ireland will be invisible, they're, you know, no one other than a very talented magician can do much about it. We just need a very talented magician. Yes. Prime minister good. Yes. Or a hypnotist that could basically convinced that we've left. It's fine. Look into the eyes. It's a plan. I like it. I'm completing the panel is Ross Taylor research manager of the truth, trust and technology commission here in a personal capacity. I lo- rose. How are you? Oh. Talk about the Brexit extension. More detail later, are you feeling this moment hopeful exhausted or hoop source did? I'm grateful for every day that was to the I thought about that. But it's just getting in barreling now. I just feel embarrassed. It's just like is like we said we were going to leave and we won't. And then we came back and said, look could I have keys, and they said, well, no, you can't have a case. So we went way again, can you need to the front door. Because if you need Tortora Ryan come in and just keep in here, whenever I like us a single market like I wanted to and they said, no. And then we came back and said, well, you know, there's a back window if you maybe lift opened a crack, I could I creep in and it's just embarrassing. We want it all now likely to end up with absolutely nothing. Whether you confirming Barrasso is when you re pieces than you at times and other American outlets whether just like what's wrong with Britain. And it's like you in America. Like, how dare you laugh at us? But also okay by having a good. We're having a good goat. This afternoon. We're about to the original classic coke formats of Romania where we talked about three new stories, and then a big topic. Unlike pocus in recent weeks, where we tend to sit in the studio going through the news and what for an hour. So we're gonna look at the Brexit Salaya the prospect of European elections. We'll talk about vote leave withdrawing that appeal against the electoral commissions findings, and what that says about the integrity of advocacy. And then we'll ask why the loudest breaks is associated with the war when people who actually live through the war. Pro e u as millennials and towards the end, we got a wide topic. Where do we go from here? It's an easy one the pub. We've if breaks this a symptom, not the cause what can we do to rebuild Britain wants this nightmare is over and just for light relief. We're going to be the panel tonight name their own personal root-cause of Brexit. Where did it will go wrong? Plus, we'll have audience questions at the end. We're going to try and up to ten minutes for that. So firstly at the mayday, she's Asrar exits. We put back to June the thirtieth which means the UK participate in new elections. That'd be fun FRANZ. Gemini said they won't see concrete changes before agreeing to the delay. What does this delay due to the political impetus for Brexit in the in the UK, and is there prospect of an even longer extension that the some of the leaders are talking about this is the same delay that we asked for three weeks ago, and we're told no, by the way. So she went there asked for an extension to June and twenty seven leaders of twenty seven over in countries. Basically talked about through the night and came out and said, we can't do it June. It has to be very earlier or later because of the legal advice we've had and three weeks later they receive a letter from Theresa May saying can we have an extension to the thirtieth of June. Polite. Lots of those I know, but we're we're heading into you know, John Grisham the rainmaker where she gets this letter from the insurance company that says on seven previous occasions, we have refused your plane. You must be stupid stupid stupid. But her her requests for the extension was very much addressed the domestic audience because as we know her cabinet is completely split. A lot of the kind of harder Brexit tears in her cabinet do not want the lengthy extension as Alex already pointed out at the last European summit. You leaders made clear look, you can leave on the twenty second of me if you're deal passes by them, if it doesn't then the extension or the new kind of cliff edge is the seventh of April by when you have to notify us whether or not you're going to take part in the European parliamentary elections because if you're to extend beyond that you will have to take into your confront mentally elections. So I think what's going to happen next week is not given that there's zero zilch like next to nothing chance of her deal passing by Wednesday. Is that I think you are going to see the UK asking for a lengthy extension because the June the thirtieth date that Theresa May ask for, you know, for domestic reasons she. He knows it's not possible from the east perspective. Why does she know that will they spend hours discussing why that's not possible? So it's very politicking by trees, and may so she can come back to her cabinet be like I asked for June the thirtieth. But you know, the the EU insisted that it has to be a lengthier extension. And they also say we have to take part in the European parliamentary elections, but you guys didn't poss- my deal ahead of the deadline. So she saving her own skin of it, even though the political reality as I mentioned in my opening remarks, these v the EU is always been very very clear what the next steps are. And we'll see extension that the UN would prefer. I think the EU will agree on an extension because if they do not agree on an extension next week, which I think is forthcoming is that the only other option Dan would be Nodio Brexit, and I don't think or revoke so, but for revoke you would need the impetus in the UK, which I don't think exist. And in the in the case of a no deal. The EU's been consistently clear, even though there are different views and a lot of you leaders are getting increasingly fed up with the UK. They don't want that on their doorstep. Why the hell should they be the ones who are responsible for no deal Brexit, when you case seems perfectly clear taking us there entirely by itself. Not to mention one of their big considerations is Arlen a Member State of the twenty-seven. It don't let it be lost to you that Angela Merkel was in Dublin just the other weekend. She went and spoke to people who told her stories of the kind of Irish border Donald has been repeatedly the EU twenty-seven have been behind land. And if it came to know deal Brexit next week Arlanda, simply not ready, despite the fact that Brussels and London and Dublin haven't been forthcoming on what that means for the border. If it's a no deal Brexit next week. There will be controls either behind the border or on top of the border. There will be controls. It's not going to be seamless border. So they will not deny the extension request. And I think that the extension. The EU will give will probably be about nine to twelve months. Also, if the extension is low Theresa May can hang on as well. Because we know she's not going to go until she's delivered Brexit. Yeah. Yeah. We look forward to law school. Because the hardcore actually seem quite enthusiastic about longer delay. How would that? Them. They think that they can get really Brexit. He prime minister. But let's face it their efforts to different Theresa May of not really work, very, well, so far, and we had today in the Sunday papers a lot of all she's going to go. She's got to go. She's going. She's okay. She she really isn't. You know, you'll get you're gonna have to drag her out. Forcibly to get to go and. I think they would like to see someone else in charge. They think they would like to see Boris Johnson chart. I don't actually think would my hunch is that Johnson. Once he got what he really wants ultimate power. Once he got what he really wants. He won't be back off about Brexit. He can be happy with the self Brexit. He can bring that home and say, I did it at Brexit thought that we can move on to the. And Reese mogul be furious. But that's power is what Boras wants. And he doesn't care what how he gets it. So I think that Boris me. Well, disappoint that say the in the long term Kim. I can I sound note of caution invert we said exactly the same thing about Trump that once he's president. He will come down. And so he, but there was an expectation that he was going to move statesmanlike. And if anything he's sort of spun off even worse, it has been bad. It could have been worse with traveling. It could have been, you know, stopped raining. But let's not get into migrate. Took if Moke he floated the idea of you can't kind of Biaggi's MEP's retinue from within. If we have to stay vetoing budgets, and the euro on that doesn't exist. Do you think that would be a real threat? Do you think that something that the would be worried about a of new influx of people who are only that cause trouble not, of course, that they haven't had that fridges in the phone with, you know, some fries and friends definitely I think the EU again number one first thing to say is that don't kid yourselves if the UK staying beyond made the twenty second which looks almost inevitable. Theresa May steal doesn't get through. The UK will have to take part in the elections for sure the us not going to give up on that. And I think they are very concerned about how that affects them institutionally. I think people here on your estimate. How important the European elections are to European Member States. But they still think that having a destructive kind of UP force inside the European parliament is still less than a no deal Brexit, right? And I think that perhaps even though European parliament. Elections are often battlegrounds for more eurosceptic and t e you kind of electric to come forth, not just in the UK. But traditionally across all European countries. It might be interesting to see how that plays out in the UK in this context. Because one thing that has happened since twenty sixteen is that you have this kind of the syphilis pro e u movement that doesn't even exist in many of European countries. So be really interesting to see how that plays up. We'll because it seems like it might be happy die for the MP lib Dem's, independent group greens. With anyone who is in laboratory. So you can I just ask if there's anybody here who obviously you're going to vote in the European elections. And it's anybody here who's who's thinking about or is even sure that they're going to vote for a different party than they would vote for in a general election. Yeah. That's that's quite a few. And I wonder whether we think that he will actually. Be a coin of different kind of referendum on. Datsuns referendum. But it's the sort of seeing what the state of play is how people feel about Europe. Because people who might for example, think. Well, I'm bound to vote labour because I'm in a laboratory marginal. But on this occasion, I'm going to go for one of the three you parties. Do you think that will crew that will give us a very interesting picture of actually where the electorate stands now that you couldn't get any other way? Yeah. I mean, the the nightmare scenario for both dominant. Parties is to face a challenge from either side. In proportional, representation scenario because politics is all about momentum small m momentum. And and actually there is a European election and people feel I can vote for whoever I want I didn't have to tactically. And we ended up in creation, which is not impossible that you know, conservatives and labour ended up third and fourth in that election there that's a lot of wind in the sales of other parties, and they definitely don't want that. Which is why I think there's still an outside chums they will come to an arrangement and find some cobbled together deal to post the withdrawal agreement before the twenty second of may. I don't think that is beyond the pale because they may not share many policy areas. But one thing they share absolutely is that they do not want to face the next election with Brexit still hanging as a question as in. You know, will it happen will it note, and they certainly don't want to face a proportional. Representation election with that hanging as acquistion rusty thing that labor would have to because we're saying, obviously, what general election comes laving really have to clarify that position. Do you think they'd have to do it in European elections? So that would that they really have to kind of make a choice, which of course, you know, the party is the divided on that. Well, Labor's position. I mean, it was hard Brexit. Now, it's hard Brexit with customs union, maybe a little bit more single market than before in recent weeks. The big question, of course, is whether they want to people's vote, and the vast majority of the membership and the parliamentary party about half that won't be happy for the people's fight. But the leadership would not so we'll they have to say what kind of Brexit. Wait. They will. They will be. Yes, they will. But I don't think it will do too much good. Because as you mentioned earlier, Alex that will be. A big switch away from two main parties because of proportional representation because of people Baso hacked off with the way that both parties have handled it so we will see the Brady suffer. I think then for physician that they have taken of a still hard Brexit. Don't let anyone tell you that labor is going for soft Brexit now be in a customs union load is still a hard Brexit. It's still leaving the cigarettes. Of course, I won't be much detail in the election campaign about the EU here because we're not very interested in that as we know we never joint European parliamentary elections actually here very much about the European. Licht too. Precisely. So the focus will all be. I think on the smaller parties, and they will be able to carry on spinning it out because everybody said they would have to come clean or what they wanted to people's vote come on every few days. I hear someone issued a little closer to people. So. It just it never really happens in need not happen. Because who can really put the ball this book? What is going to force what he's got to force them onto this book. Nothing. What do you think the talks between Corbin and may have? Have sort of changed everything. Do you think anything good come out or is that again going through the motions bits of political theater? Because basically there's no way that either leader can budge sufficiently without alienating a large portion of their party. I think just following Brexit for the past two years very closely makes us reduce situations in a more cynical light. So I think the reality is the outreach effort is much more about setting the narrative for what's to come. I think that there might be a general election in the weeks to come. And I think that Treasa may does not want to be blamed as the one who didn't take Europe out of the European didn't take the UK out of the European Union. So she'll be like we reached out to labor. We had these talks labor wouldn't budge. But in reality, I don't think she as she has shown consistently throughout these pasta years. She puts party unity almost above the national interests. I don't think she wants to split her party by committing to a permanent customs union. Because almost certainly her cabinet was, but so I think this is very much we've as Ross correctly just pointed out all the difficulties in Labor's position as well. You know, both parties are totally obfuscating the issue. And I think this is really about setting the narrative for what's to come. Because no matter what happens next one thing, we all know is that this is not going away is not going away even with the withdrawal agreement passes. It's not going away. If there's no deal Brexit. It's not going away. There's an extension which is just a can-kicking exercise, essentially, the fundamental choices on the table remain the same. It's either trees amazed deal with an extended negotiation about the future relationship after that. No, Brexit or no deal. Brexit. What's extrordinary is that both leaders are trying to do this balancing exercise coming from completely different points of view? So Corbin is trying to do. A hub Brexit that is a softest possible. Not to pay off his remain a voters and Theresa May's trying to do a soft breaks that is as hard as possible in order to not alienate her leave voters. And you know, it's like a Chinese puzzle books. You those finger traps they've got their fingers, basically. Now, they don't know how to get out of it. But I mean, it's it's extraordinarily that in terms of how I feel about it. I feel much safer when it's kissed armor and David leading to new the room. Then when it's Jeremy Corbyn Theresa May, what does that say? The incredible irony is that the labor and conservative positions are not actually at least the labor. Citizen is not actually that far off the conservative leadership position. And what they when they are having that talks. It came up today. That's Theresa May tried to persuade Jeremy Corbyn that the backstop was just really a customs union of assault. Has spent a year deny you know, what they're also mentally recommending to each other is not that distant spectrum members. If they didn't have any MP's could Babbel's thrash something out. And that's a terrible. It makes me despair. Before we move on. How many people here are would be excited about general election with think of that would help? Much to the amass one. Gentleman just out of your peripheral vision. So. Yeah. Maybe no. Wouldn't slice the go. No cannot kidney say something that I think people don't hate elections. I think they hate the Compain's of preceived them if you said to people we're going to say nothing about it. There's gonna be a vote in two weeks time, we're going to say nothing about it. You know, what it's only about by. Now, just go and vote I think people would chair. Well, we're going to have a quick break and talk about the real causes of exit. No, inequality or broken politics migration. And so on we mean, popular culture and events that shape people's minds in ways, they don't realize what really sets us on this par perhaps it was the popular sitcom mind your language changing. The name the marathon bars. Snickers fat less is number two hit single Vindaloo featuring Keith Allen could be any or all of those things. What else can panel for their own patient zero of the brakes outbreak, rose, let's start with you. And you're bound to disagree thing. Delivery. Now didn't release they deliver what they promise. But the thing about to live who is. It was a fairly new concept when he came along in two thousand thirteen point tags so just in time to sort of start changing thinking, but what what he does sensually is is. Take. Local restaurants. Not so local if the dog kitchen, but restaurants, delivering food to you and the people delivering those food poorly-paid probably earning this minimum wage, often eastern Europeans and the food delivery to you is usually tie or Chinese or Indian. And it's a particular mindset about the British says, oh, yeah. What I really want. What would really improve my life would be sitting at home, maybe on Twitter, maybe throwing at TV and ordering in some food. That's from the far east or the or the Middle East at having someone from eastern Europe or lowly paid someone quite young deliver it to me. And it's it's it's so it's so isolating at it. So arrogant, it's so much these kind of owed the world will come to us the world will come to me. And it's fantastic cuisine will come to me. Well, you know, the local Indian, but you know, there's fantastic the will come to me, and I don't need to do. Anything I can just sit here and then hand over twenty eight and then oh because it's prepaid. And maybe if the delivery guy a couple of quit if he's if I'm going to good mood or maybe. No. And it's up. It's very British thing that the world will come to me, and it will serve me and to hell with everything else. I just wanna be on my own and I want to be in Sheila. And I want to be left alone to do my stuff in my haves, and to me, that's very Brexit. Writing down. Let's quickly speak. Mine would be the phone of the Berlin Wall. I think while the whole year that was. That was. I think the whole of Europe celebrated moment Britain thought, how dare you move on from our greatest sort of our? I mean, I. I mean, I don't want to say much because we talk about their obsessions under the war later. But the reason is sense that. You know, if you look at the EU twin seven as one side and Britain as the other they went into this with very different objectives in stakes because their experience of the defining events of the twentieth century has been very very different. Thanks. Back to the present on Friday, March twenty on the cover of Brexit, betrayal day voting funding, dropped his appeal against the electoral commissions findings. So they broke campaign finance rules. The campaign statement, sadly, we do not have the financial resources to carry forward this appeal. The electric commission has said it would not be in the public interest to investigate further even if there was evidence of an offense. Extraordinarily rose. This is one of those specialisms how can it not be in the public interest to investigate breaking? Well, it isn't a public interest. But this revelation came in a BBC programme, and basically electoral commission said there wasn't enough evidence that the BBC put forward. And we well there wasn't enough evidence, and basically the electoral commissioners have that work cut out the last the last few years, they don't quite a lot. They've had to investigate quite lot. And they simply haven't got the bandwidth to do anymore because going into this kind of detail would be following paper trails falling out financial trails, which actually the electoral commission and the information Commissioner's office, and all these other is. Organizations that you've heard of don't have the authorities do under British law. And so would they don't have the ability to chase up where money is coming from. And to follow all the off shore trust it may have been channeled through. It's not something they code basic. Yeah. It's too hard. But they haven't got the palace. But I mean, so that that was their excuse. Is kind of the job, isn't it? Yeah. But I. Affair under resourced operation given kickable lifetime. To try to you with the last few years. I feel so sorry for the much. I mean in normal times. Yeah. They would have been all over it. But these are not normal times. The leaf convert leave campaign was an leave the EU banks's operation has already been fined referred to questions was headed by Michael Govan on Boris Johnson is any of this going to play this sort of public lead was actually. Actually, run the running it. But I'm willing to stick to them. You know, particularly since some of the couple of those two I think are interested in becoming prime minister. With that with that dog the material. I don't know. I mean, one of the one of the features of the current situations that the news cycle moves on so quickly events that would have been front-page news for months of forgotten the next day. I just I find it. Unbelievable that that we have a group of people who style themselves as the defenders of democracy in this country who don't want the electoral commission to investigate anything. They don't want to general election. They don't want a European parliamentary elections. They definitely don't want to know the public vote, and I find that a bit weird. You know, what what's just democracy is that you like one day they like as you perceive, and they guy who needs anymore. Which is basically where the government has come down to no one is arguing that breaks is a good thing anymore. But I can see everyone is is maybe crippling about the quantum of damage, but the damage itself is not commonly accepted. Everyone is just arguing on this point that people voted so we have to do it on this question of legal skulduggery a week just going to have to accept that. This very very important decision. You know, the kind of like legal stink around it. But there's really nothing we can do. It's not going to be thoroughly investigated. It certainly is going to on that sort of emotional political level even even remain on really arguing that you can just kind of like reverse the referendum that you're just gonna there's going to be some kind of document tight conversation that comes out which basically means oh we'd have to do this tool now. So we just going to have to accept that. Whatever happens. There's really nothing. We can do about it. Yeah. I mean, do I think it is the right thing to happen. No. But do I think politically that is what is going to happen that nothing will happen and the result of the referendum? He can't be overturned for any kind of legalistic reason. Yes. And this. I mean what Alex Ross were just talking about. And what we witnessed in two thousand sixteen with both the EU referendum and the election of Donald Trump. Is the beginning of a much different type of politics and political campaigning in the digital era. I mean, you might have seen these stories from last week where it showed that, you know, loads of dark money or money from unknown sources was being used to funnel. Millions of voters into pushing their MP's for a no deal Brexit. You know, the the hardest Brexit possible that just shows you how much this debate will note, the hardest Brexit possible cataclysmic option right that two years ago. Nobody was talking about as even an option or a desirable outcome. You know, so many MP's I think up to fourteen cabinet ministers indicated that they either are in favor of a no deal Brexit or short extension. If the short extension has to be longer than June the thirtieth, and they would favor, no deal Brexit. So I think it's a new type of politics that we've entered and the public kind of bodies that are meant to deal with this like the electoral commission are simply not fit for purpose. They don't have the resources they don't have the expertise. And they just don't know what to do. And the bigger political context is that this has become such an emotional issue that I don't see. Any kind of truce and Reconsiliation and coming together. No matter what happens I think everyone is going to be pissed off which is ultimately the most harmful outcome for democracy and democratic discourse in Andrea under lead on mar this morning, and she was asked about that. And hurry sponsor who was why you what do you support no deal Clifford's thing? And she went where because I don't think it'll be nearly as grim as people say, and I just thought oh, you should have put that on the bus. Ramos everyone. About ten percent. We've gone we've gone from promising this this paradise of of rivers of Honey and virgins to not nearly as grim as everyone thinks. But there we are everything is project fear project fi project right up until the millisecond where it becomes what? People voted for. At the no deal scenario. I mean, you know, so often throughout this process where like, oh, it's so unpredictable. We don't know what's going to happen next. But just time to stop this for starchy. If it does come to a new deal Brexit, the first thing that you case going to have to do is to go back to the. Negotiate this time in an even weaker position than it's been in the past two years. What do you think that use going to say to open those talks? Let's talk about the backstop. Let's talk about the money. The stock route citizens, right? See you're all the way back at square one. Except this time it's even worse except your own fire. Square. On Preakness, not seeing you may notice Brexit's is very keen on the second World War, which we won. I'm paul. Fronts while caught read a letter from Germany CEO in case, it just want us his father who fought in the war, no deal future, which is going to be fine because we survived the war, even quite famously many. However research on versus LLC Brexit Clark shows that people who actually experienced a second World War as pro you as millennials, and it's the baby boomers who are most negative rose. Can you tell us quickly a little bit about about the research was this something that? Just confirmed what we thought after the referendum. A little bit. I mean, it basically showed us that the seventy seventy-five Chris over eighty eight year olds. More pro e u but the interesting thing is it's not just people who've experienced the war. I think because the only people who've experienced the wall now are those people over seventy five eighty year olds I think there was an older generation again who did experience the war in their thirties and in their forties and fifties who were who displayed many of the same prejudices. And what this what this? Showed. You actually is that it's the experiences you have in your formative years that have an impact on you. So it's only it's only things that you experience in your teens in your twenties that feed through into into future in your future views, which is a bit disconcerting Radi worries worries me bit because it means, you know, I'm going to be obsessed with nine eleven on my life. Brit pop. Because I. Michael headstone last week. And he was saying like, yeah. Exactly this sort of he remembers being in his kitchen in Swansea and hearing Neville Chamberlain. Now's reward. And this was like for him, the whole large part of his remaining passion is based on that experience. But obviously. I'm not so much with with little mount Francois. Why does recline of? A lost sorts of, you know, drama, and, you know, very well alone. And does it sort of satisfy this kind of emotional need for us to both be sort of Herrera compound full, but also the underdogs fighting against an evil empire. Is it like I think it's I think it's an identity shoes. Someone Neil Harry's think it was very smartly wrote in the Irish time some time ago that the British were the only country in Europe to come out of this the two wars feeling better. But itself the knitted before. And I think that's a really key thing to understand, you know, they were really struggling having new lost their empire status. And then suddenly there was this victory that built them up again they were never occupied. So, you know, the effect would not I mean, Greece lost ten percent of its population ten percent relation. And so when when people went into the. European project. Like, I said the stakes would just really different from countries that have been occupied and had suffered those effects and had come out feeling really that they must never let this happen again. And I think that point the broader points the geopolitical point was lost in the referendum campaign completely. You know, no one really made that argument. And if they did they were marked as project fear where they suggest that there's going to be another World War. Well, there might be they might not be that's, but that's not. That's not the point. The point was that. We had observed this cycle in Europe where the far-right rose every few decades and the last time this had a really fucking catastrophic effect, and the people who experienced that got together and came up with this structure to guard against it happening again. And the first time it happens. Again, our reaction is to dismantle that structure. That's madness. Nina, your your half German. Do you find this just defined it? But bizarre excruciating. Like, what do you make you? What do you make of this kind of aspect of the producer? Like, I think that in many regards even Germany never got over the war, right? Except that they see it in a completely different light. They had to come to terms with what had happened in the country in the second World War. And therefore the European Union is so important to Germans as a peace project. It's not simply an economic, you know, trading relationship, which is why this argument that was so often made by leading Brexit, tears that the German car manufacturers would be delivering us and banging down Michael's door to make sure that we had a trade agreement is nonsense. It's deeply emotive and interestingly in one thousand nine hundred ninety five when the original referendum was held about whether or not the UK should join the the opinion polls were fifty seven percent against an indie event. The sixty seven percent four and the people who wanted. The UK to join made a very powerful and emotive argument based on the Warton. So that argument has been made in the UK. It just wasn't made in two thousand sixteen and I think it's certainly true that for some of the more kind of rabid Brexit tears who have now become mainstream. They have an obsession with Nazism. Never forget that Margaret Margaret Thatcher used to walk around with maps of German kind of Nazi expansionism in her handbag. So they never really got over this fear of, you know, Germany as a potential usurper conqueror, which is why in the eighties the Bruges group and so on which then became too. They're kind of thinking became central to Brexit thought. In later decades. They often talked about the euro and the European Union as a way of Germany taking over the rest of Europe. Again, that's often been set, for example in the context of the Greek crisis. And I do think there is a certain obsession with the second World War. We see a lot. And I think for Germans it's very baffling because they see it from exactly the opposite side. We've got. We're going to have thirty seconds to fix Britain needed. Could we have your you wear to do go wrong moments? I think so I actually was working with David Cameron in Twitter thirteen up to twenty sixteen. So like, the whole Bloomberg speech and the renegotiation moment, I think it all went very very wrong. When what was essentially an issue of party management was allowed to become a national issue less won't forget that before 2016. The public was very concerned about things like housing, the NHS education, but Europe was like down in the list of priority immigration was one. But what the leave campaigners did very very successfully is take all the woes that people had all the concerns about society and make leaving the European Union. The silver bullet solution to all of that. And I think that now the political identity is so entrenched remainder or lever. People identify much more with either one of those labels than Torey or labor. Remainder or lever? I think that that's when it all started to go wrong. When this became a hugely poignant identity moment over the past two years, and I don't see now how people move beyond that for. Fortunately, we know this from we're gonna share this knowledge with everyone because we're gonna fix Brinson in five minutes. What's your what's your moment? Well, my investments. In my mind moment is I think when Gordon Brown apologizing for calling Rochdale pension. Julie Duffy bigoted, women twenty ten. I think on reflection. She she she was of women. So. Am I think I think it revealed it's gonna neurotic fear of criticizing xenophobia nationalism eight because that would read as being out of touch with the real Britain, and it's populist cringe. And I think particularly doesn't work for for labor. You get let into sort of anti-immigration policies, some commemorated on mugs. Blue live native ISM legs chasing off the voters. Really don't agree with the party, generally. Anyway, your show is them as as they sort of core. Even though of course, we've seen in the past labour voters of an armed and drift away for other reasons and the legitimate concerns of leave voters concerns matter at the expense of legitimate concerns that people at the receiving end of bigotry or just people who have a different vision of Britain. We always fun to the person that doesn't want as we talk about that later. This is Mickey about immigration when in fact, you con- tool it's more than you, positively about immigration without being out of touch with with the heart of England. This populist cringe affects politicians, especially lighting ones. It means the schedule say things that sort of needed to be said in those years, I think we sort of somebody's cringed our way into Brexit. So that would be mine too. Good one also mind you language. So yeah. So I'm just gonna ask each of you to to going to throw each of you an area of British life that you have to fix. Rose in terms of kind of. Sort of healing the divined perhaps in sorts of bite by looking at the poet's policy areas that we just haven't been devoting any time recently, think education health housing, all that stuff. What would you want to? What would you want to see that? You think would address some of those client of? They sort of root causes of the disaffection the kind of people who are not hardcore eurosceptics, but they were kind of they just wanted to give up yours to Westminster into London. Take pace is people. I think you have to start making policy that he's aimed at the elderly. And I think the reaction to Theresa May's attempt to reform social policy and make people pay for elderly care paying a bit more out of their out of the value of their homes was a sign of just how incapable we are in this country of doing any policy that doesn't automatically favor. The elderly now, obviously, there are many elderly people who live in poverty, and we know that but the big pressing problems in this country climate change housing the chance for everyone education, you have to look at future generations, and you have to give something people a policy that they can believe in as a as a positive step towards the future. And that's why I think you have to stop skewing elderly, even though it may be tempting from intellectual point of view because of the people tend to vote we're going to see next week extinct. Shen rebellion. They're going to start sitting down in prices in central London and blocking traffic climate change is something that we are basically with the exception of Saudi carnival completely ignoring in this country. And it's one of the things that have fallen foul of Brexit is something that young people care about immensely quite a lot. And we have to start listening to what young people care about in terms of policy and not just late middle aged and elderly people because. Because otherwise, you just did it. You know, what you're going to create massive disaffection among young people as well as being pissed off among the oldest. Well, and you're gonna just end up making it for Gordon unhappy. So I think we have to skew young into priorities. I'll give you a party politics. Do you? Do you think that labour and the conservatives will survive in the current form without further, splits and? The independent group in some ways of trying to be sort of, you know, fresh pro European alternative. However, they also seem to have a lot of ideas that, you know, wanted to be a centrist that we'd say sort of failed. So is that that the second question is is do they have an answer? Because I think the first thing you have to dress. It's not a matter of policy. It's a matter of process, I think britney's really sheet a doing consensus anything, you know. You know? And and that is partly why it's never really taken up fully chair at the European table. Because it sees everything as a sort of contest in which if another nation gets with a one that means we lose. And that I think is part of the reason why the European leaders look at us with such astonishment. You know, I mean, Germany is a is a country that has had a goes according to tune for fifteen years now, essentially a national unity government for the last decade half. And we can't sit in a room and have a Cup of tea with each other without hurling abuse. So it's that adversarial style that needs to go, and we have to reach out to each other and have a much more consensus driven adult politics. And I think the way you might start that is for modernizing the house of Commons. I cannot emphasize enough what a nasty atmosphere. This idea of having the benches opposite each other screaming at each other the idea that you not to vote you have to get up and go to a room with your friend or your enemy instead of having electric voting. I think if you change that. That you would find that the atmosphere changed instantly for the better. Anita. I want to ask you about democracy. If we do of Brexit either by revoking it or through people's vote. I mean, a significant minority of people will feel cheated including people who had often told it never voted before. How do you convince them to participate again, how do you claim to have? You know, make sure they don't sort of lose their faith in democracy. Does that require, you know, sitting reforms does it require kind of new mechanisms of democratic engagement? I think one of the fundamental things you need for democracy to function properly is some kind of idea what is an objective reality. And in the past two years, we've slipped so far from kind of facts and reason into cognitive dissonance chambers, and I have to be said in particular when I'm talking about the Brexit divide. That's true on both sides of the debate. And for a democracy to survive, you need to be able to call out the facts, and if people ministers cabinet ministers, insist on perpetrating myths to fulfill their political ambitions. I don't see how this is ever going to be good for any democracy. If democracy, you cannot have facts and compromise some kind of meeting room in the middle. Then I think democracy is doomed to fail especially because now we're in a digital era where people's cognitive biases can be amplified. All the information. You receive all the time, and I'm not hopeful about the future of democracy in this country. If some politicians don't aren't able to stand up, and honestly tell the public how it is pretty soon and looking at the state of the two parties right now, I can't say too confident about that. So it's kind of depressing. But I honestly think it might get worse before it gets better. And therefore, I think as kind of educated people in this room, it comes upon actually all of us to insist that. At our politics isn't just. Cognitive dissonance chambers in people's emotive playing on people's worst, emotions, I think that I'm not sure if you feel like crap of Kershaw and Gerry Murphy interviewing John Redwood's, and he was saying that John Redwood saying, well, there's a clear majority for no deal in the country. I would not let go it's not true. It's not true. And then at the end, really. Yeah. We said goodbye John Redwood. There's no trick. And it was really bracing moment, I've seen Mehdi Hassan to it with a member American politician, and again that went viral and just the only DEA that without having a bias towards a particular position. Just having a bias towards not letting people lie that seems encouraging and that seems somewhere that the media seems to be very slow as if it's like, it's terribly rude to point out. I mean, some of the media's actually feeding the reason there was a wave of people going tunnels and saying immaturity NASA ports new deal. Even though it's not true is because basically the Daily Mail said it because it commissioned this from yougov and splash, the headline that majority now support no deal, but you have to read through in order to find out that is a only support new deal. If you exclude London Scotland Northern Ireland is STAN. Cliff at sunset tilt, your head sideways and screen. But people went out armed with that. And actually, I've only heard it challenge two or three times and never looked. So I wouldn't be surprised if that some Kim now, but never forget how complicated Brexit is. It is ITO. It takes a genius us to to understand everything that Brexit violent this trade of who who who even knew what the customs union was before we voted lame even kids here. Of stuff the parliamentary votes the last couple of weeks. I the amendments Mike Brady explode. I call it keep up with it. And it's it's it's incredibly difficult to be on top of everything Brexit related. It's an incredibly difficult job, your scaled or journalists foresee we are on top of all. And we are running short time. It would be great take a couple of questions from the from the floor. Oh, I'm in charge. This time on this. So he could I it was the lady, but that's fine. Chicken Neck, and that's really mean. Now. Go ahead. Given that you honest. I think the moment at all when wrong was when at Milliband stood against David Miliband. But my question is. If we do come out give them what we've learned in the last few years. What do you think the implications are going to be for the rest of Europe? Yeah. So I think it's always been cleared that this is a lose lose not only for Britain. But also for the rest of the EU. So it was always a question in my view of damage limitation. Right. Let's not forget for the rest of the European Union. You're losing one of the biggest foreign and military. Defense powers. You're losing a UN secreta permanent council member of the UN Security Council. So it's just if you look at the bigger picture, it's a weakening of the western liberal alliance. Right. That's already a rift, which is so large between the US and Europe. And now the UK's leaving the European Union. It's gonna make that that that kind of decline of the western kind of liberal dominance. Go precipitate foster, especially if you look at the bigger geopolitical picture what's happening with Russia. What's happening with China? And I think this is actually the biggest danger of Brexit. We spent so long novel gazing fighting are actual closest allies and partners that we lose track of the bigger challenges that are to come and they will be coming. Thanks. Thanks. Festival. Thank you very much for the podcast in general. I never know if a feel better because I'm not alone or worse because everything's so grim. And I have a question about. I'm so confused by customs unions. So maybe you understand it. There's the Acosta's union and the the customs union, and I understand the difference between those two, and I don't I can't keep truck anymore of wet leaves free movement, and whether any of them has free movement in and on the biggest Gail, why does Theresa May and whitest. Jeremy Kuban hate free movement so much as I ever going to go away. Labor Impe Mary Krier, put it very very well the other day when she said that if we go for customs union with no element of the single market you end up in a situation where a tin of beans has more rights than the person. Because the customs union is all about the movement of goods. It has nothing. It's about keeping tariffs down. Basically. It's about putting a ring around Europe that says this is the tariff barrier, but it doesn't apply between us. And so it has nothing to do with free movement of people at all. So why why is this such opposition to free pre movement from leaderships? I ju- properly because of a pity Europeans. Like me, I suspect is it. Just you just you just. Yeah. I went everyone will be cooler, but he's. And he couldn't get back. It's fine. I mean, it's a it's a cultural this fauria, and it's not, you know. No, I. Environment is such this podcast that I ended up complaining about a lot of stuff, but I actually love this country. I chose this country as my home. You know, it's a positive commitment on my part. But I do think, and and I don't think it's a coincidence of this is an English problem rather than a gritty problem that the reason identity crisis and that. England, does tend to define it's going into the spiral where it defines itself with what it's an opposition to and so we risk becoming mill. You know, we risk becoming everybody haters in. We don't care and that being our identity. So I'm very sorry. It's a hard curfew. Unlike March twenty ninth there is no extension. And we haven't thirty so. You know, even if we three to European elections. Thank you very much for coming.

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All I want for Christmas is EVERYTHING

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All I want for Christmas is EVERYTHING

"Well full coverage Appel caused by Lavas for bt lovers we all your house. I'm fresh to make Harry Hatfield and whether the unprofessional. Beauty Lover Lindsey Cow. That's me me and my Christmas jumper. That things wouldn't be the Mike you get it into the mic due due to our jingle I know although I kept on the way over me. Your jumpers singing bringing. It was a bit much. He was the nicest driver in the history of all uber drivers because it just start raining and he was like oh you go if you don't WanNa take me help me now anyone who doesn't even La. The rain is a big deal. It was a big deal and then he was like no. It's okay but it's okay. If we listened to Taylor swift forever like I am. I going to be frying. It is jumped. I kept going off and I was like. I'm sorry but now I feel like he might come back and get me if I was like can keep playing Taylor swift. Yeah Oh you like a more. I love if I'm ready from its pies. I'm ready for line rental all the Christmas. Merry Melt trees look in stellar. Thank you very impressive that I actually got on the December which I'm really proud of never achieved that I'm very proud of you. I wanted this view. Yeah now I'm more light for me. What's more light because is Anita double up lights on mystery? David want tens OBE. I said now jeff like no no judgement. If you love your tenant so I'm with you in spirit of Tinsel and I see it in shops when it's new and fresh implied ooh I when you get home and it falls apart and it straight starts soccer bet. Yeah it's like it's been in a box for three years. Yeah like note. Carter just also reminds me of office. Christmas party does it's not. It's not a good thing you might as well put how Sri and be done. I'm Oklahoma three. Oh you love. I'm all right I am also the festive spirit. Jump on that plays the song so I have gotten off Christmas clothing to carry me through without wearing any normal close until two thousand twenty. I bought a lot of leggings. Excellent yeah I mean. That's forethought room. You really thought about that night. We're going to consume a lot of pastry goods Osma. Oh we love in mind which days episode is going to be very holiday oriented ahead we are going to be talking about the best gifts to buy instead of breaking it down by category. I think he's just GonNa be the things I would like to buy or sell literally both are listed like what we saw. uh-huh Dave can you listen to next week's coverage puppet. Yeah I keep wondering things out to jeff because he is a notoriously poor gift give and I'm not remained like does he get you a toaster is it lasts. Hind is not not toasted level. It's like bits of crap he's like I'm just GonNa buy you loads of little bits of rubbish. Because he knows I love stuff yet. You'd you'd never quite their name as for my birthday. Because it was after the wedding he was just get me presents and then it didn't go. Oh well Silica Week. Before I was like get me get me up. He's already bought your presence now and he's excited but then my birthday came around and he gave me the airport's open these because that's what you ask. You didn't have to get these when you've already gone something. And then the other two presents were lake a diehard Christmas T. shirt which is great. I the Christmas but it was two sizes too small to his. I'm vicious really weirdly. Cotton t shirt with a cat on it that said stars Caton as Sutton the planet son but as a cat and I was like. I'm not sure where you've gone with this. It was very sweet and then he was like hey I was like no I wear it for like three days all done. That's very tired. He tries his thoughts. Oh yeah always there but never quite manages yeah plus impact my machine yet. I T shirts. Sorry I'm grateful. I'm very grateful. It's just like he is a man that responds well to direction releases not legit. I have a friend who gets electrical goods every year. And I'm not talking Apple Joel Like A. It's like a tease made in light kilter Takashi I take that back. Let's ask more in the toaster round if you want brought me and we should put this on the list but this will be on the list. We bought me asking coverage would have that. You've talked about this quite a bit now so I think like I need to tell. I won't get it anyway. Manning on news before we just all the things we want all the stuff and maybe an ungrateful. Ho Ho Ho Ho. Do well so I think we should start with one piece of news because it's time sensitive. If people want it they need to late. Yes yeah wait enlist immediately really. Yeah I mean time-sensitive on now before this podcast and I'm very excited about this as I'm sure you know Pat McGrath. Just just lovely pat. Lovely Pat read your mind. She minds of most together. I think I might do a collaboration Lindsay. What do you think I should do? And I said I don't know path but like you know the new star wars film coming out. Leave it with me said. Let me let your dreams come on. She has not yet part. McGrath is bringing out a star wars collaboration to tie in with rise. The skywalker this is bonkers. Just did you see this coming all now. I have to say no no because I did not see a pat McGrath Collaboration Atl so anyway installs I like a brown sheet wet quiz. Maybe Lake Victoria role for something that has done. Runway Shameful Auber did not see star wars. And I can't imagine I mean it must be someone at Star Wars right because I can't imagine someone lease actually actually no because she did oversee the collection with Was it revlon. who was she with when she was artistic director? Oh wait Max factor factor. I I think they did star. Wars Lipsticks last one. Something that was something. It was drugstore for the last one in America by ABS would love to know if she is just a massive install was not in which case come in full coverage and we're like dolls on your makeup and we'll be best friends but I would love to have been in the licensing office that day on Wednesday like Pat McGrath on the phone. She would like to do a one hundred and twenty-five Arshad because that is what this is so there is a bunch of stuff in the collection. It looks gorgeous like effort has gone into it which I respect. It's not just a straight repackage. Now there are four of the lip bombs which I really love that lip balm is forty dollars. This is all locks. Yes her near is off. It's luxury you're thinking you don't want to spend money muffs people in. I still think there will end up being lower price star. Wars collab- somewhere highly well populism thing but this is super larks. There's four lit bombs there is one that's just gold which is beautiful there is one. That's goal packaging that is C. three three Po. On the box there was one in red packaging with black lips on. It has a stormtrooper super on the box to know Yoda Yoda. He's been saying for baby ODA happen. Then there's two new oh I shall pallets one which is C. Three. Po Gold on the packaging one Red Star trooper on the packaging and they are Three reported shades in each and three new shades in each as I understand it and then we also have the reform mothership. Four I think is how well it a new gold packaging and you know what I looked at the pilots and guess which one don't have the gold this is this GONNA founded right and he his Christmas. It's coming out. I think on the twenty six on Pat McGrath dot com nothing. So if I've got some crispus molly for Jeff border just slapped down. That's when I look at this just came out today. I do love my presents and just see what happens and then tell you from my. Yeah yeah the other pilots bombs coming out earlier and then the the mothership the mothership the big Mac Daddy coming out in the tropics so yes pat McGrath dot com. I think it's December thirteenth for everything else. So like get over there immediately. Maybe that will help. Take the edge happens in the UK election next week. It's like you wake up before you check the results of the election log onto paragraph DOT COM or Selfridge's dot com if you're in the UK and get yourself some Love love set is bringing minis to the masses. Why is today's us that some of our favorite runs went into our brains? I don't know but also went into your brain while you're asleep. Because when they fasted the days that Jelly cleanser wash j yes Milky Jelly cleanser. When I made that into mini I was like okay? Brilliant on the right track. Now let's start doing all of those minis and I think that was like the other thing else they did but then it kind of stopped there. Now you can buy the skin-care at it. It's fifty dollars. This is the top shelf. Skin cat routine in many form comes in the cutest little like recyclable curry case which I just love the way it's packaged the You get a mini Mielke. Jelly cleanser a mini super bouncier. He say Milky Jelly cleanse it for the rest of my life really typically You also get a softening primer priming. moisturizing wait softening priming moisturizer rich pies plus AIDS And I also love that you get rich one not the primary strikes at the light one the light one you want me not the like. I like the rich one. You'll just get bombed dot com. And you get the future Jew in a mini. which makes me really excited because I love that? So I if you are looking for last minute gift gift idea. I think that's really cute. Their products that someone's going to us whether it's in a wash bag like gym bag or just you want miniatures of everything like I do. I take the way they've packaged as really cute so I think that's a really good little little last minute idea. Shall there is no. I don't think anyone would be upset to find the under the trade name so that's a nice one. There's a lot of news coming out We should just warn you now. New News dead disappointing for like three asks glitter. The a glacier is taken from us. Christmas is over. All the brands are now starting to launch all of their skin care January. Because it's new year new you see what every brand yeah so to face to bringing out there extending that hangover line because they have the primer that extending that in skin occur which is really interesting which I think is going to be the first big wave of changes for two faces by Estee Lauder. Yes interesting they've gone. Skin Care brand extension. There is a new overnight mass coming from drunk elephant. This is just going to keep coming. If you would like more skin-care news shout because we will have the January is going to be heavy all skin no slap which also ties into our next piece of news which she's just like very upset. I'm really really. I've took this quite badly and so this is just been announced. You may have heard about by now but I think we need to talk about it because that's that's must be paid. Yes boy joie is coming out of the UK market. Why Bourgeois has gone? As of twenty twenty. It would just around existed assisted around a house Exxon flushes volume Moscow. Volume reveal. Musk we're GONNA have to get around data like stock. He's going to need together. Yeah South Down Booze and get on it. Yeah I'm ready mandate of order I even because I feel like the row is it. Rose Brune blush is yes. Oh Simmons Chanel blush is such. That bourgeois was always. A quick nudge nudge. Very good. Deep Fish may say they want to the drugstore brands in England and that did the cream bronze Kinda very very similar and the foundations are exceptional. Conceal is amazing Eliza so good the blush so so good. I'm really upset about this. I haven't we literally just got this news before we ordered ordered recorded before we ordered bourgeois sham. Talking about June Sunday and Monday. Because let's double header. Yeah I haven't seen news sales especially down so the only real impact on this I can see this is the bourgeois Kotei companies owned by Codey. Codey oversleep we just invested half a billion dollars more than actually at six hundred billion dollars in Kylie Cortex with a view to taking them global able. So all I'm saying is if when I get to England next to her and I want to go in and by Little Brown pot blush. I can't because the bourgeois stunned has been replaced by Kylie cosmetic stand. I'm going to be upset about the end of an era. I is such media say genuinely feels like a big hit. Is this the beginning of the makeup bubble popping and the first foundation ever-broader appropriate when I was starting long hours make partisan I couldn't afford. YSL Montiel does like big luxury. Brands was the luminous at was the healthy mix day I would mix between the colors and I still think even now it really sounds. The test of time is such a high performing foundation. I forget anything if I forget foundation or if I need to buy something when I'm in England or I'm quite sure I will invariably there'll be a bourgeois foundation. Yeah I got it. I'm really really sad mental to me about. I guess this is how it goes but unlike chairs to you if you're excited about getting Kylie available in stores in the UK. But I don't know if we're going to be the case but yeah this is just where to go ride where two good the lovely memories taking didn't make enough of it. I think he'll be available in Canada from next year to the GO-TO Toronto next. So if anyone needs anything if anyone needs anythin- shower for Toronto but yeah that's a- and News Saad note so we've got some happiness these laws of happiness coming up and you know it still in stores right now so go. Yeah this is your warning. Go against everything. You need a health foundation and you know I loved the Magic Nail Varnish Remove Ayala Laura Ingraham polishes. Yeah that was a lot of good stuff breath lip glosses were amazing Elvis. Elvis's rouge doing the hand gestures of bats the watermelon. Oh my goodness this amazing it really is. I know makeup sales in general I think in the UK of declined slightly this year. But that's because they were so massively inflated the last year and and it's not like the market in general is no dying. No one's not putting their makeup on but poor push wa for sure anyway go fill your boots by everything he can. Yeah get get it in while you can get no US too long. We can have a one second. Silence wasn't even one. This is when you Vince. Fires mufflers all ready for more so today's main feature as we said is going to be dream Christmas shopping. We are going to take an ad. Add before that. I'm going to take out. Take it and give it to you. I'm not taking it and giving it to you. We're GONNA have an outbreak before we go onto the main feature so it settling makeup TV Games pies get your orange twelve. If you've got one I understand. There's quite the debate on. It will not lamey. I gave afford to hurry up. We both of US mildly impressed. But anyway do that. We'll be right back after this is Christmas. Present Time Tame. It's Christmas trees this present time. I know people will probably know but it's a new song about being time. Christmas presents is so what we're going to do is we're just going to chat about some of the things that are out right now. That would make fantastic. Christmas presents Anyone for beauty lovers really. These are the perfect Christmas presents for peace. Listen India was like you do not getting these things because tangles these. She was like. Yeah you do know that. I'm kind of excited to see what I'm excited to say. What you live chosen? Because I'm gonNA throw some curveballs exhorted AMEX. Hi Okay do you WanNa start which I thought. Would you recommend what you recommend. A first one is an easy one and one that I know I'm getting I've already motive myself kind of present on. Its Way I I caved and this was the link where I was like. This is what I'm buying for myself because I just love and is the Tom Ford extreme eye color quad in in bad ass would love me some Tom Ford area exciting John of limited edition. Or if it's just new but I think as long as it addition because it's still the packaging pitching which is very cool very cool very Lindsey colors on its Lindsey cooled hones smokey eye. That's cool cool tone champagne color and they're that reminds me a lot of new debt. Then there's also this aubergine color. I think he's going to be beautiful. Yeah for Christmas and then to sparkly. Luckily Chalk holy a gun battle and like a charcoal. Everything's spotless on lake dead into it and it's that great college and I think it's actually a part perfect. Lindsey Co pilot. Yeah I think it's a really perfect Christmas Paula. Yes and it's like kind of classic. smokey is with a twist I feel like you've got all the depth so you would get within awesome. Okay I bet you some really nice kind of governmental fish. I do not believe there would be a single out there that would receive that for Christmas. And we'll be mad about it when if they did humbug. Take it back so I. That's the thing I'm really excited about. I am going to put it in my stocking and be like. Oh how did they get here in Bass when you know this. Don't you because I think you get fewer presents as you get older generally speaking. Yeah I felt like after twenty one. It's all downhill. I know. This may be art. Did you know what that's going to be my president from the cats you get yourself partington. Yeah thoughts he's not around so we'll have to tell him chiloe. Tell me why is you want him to get you. And I'll tell him around and then I shall wonderful. I'm going to say I'M GONNA pay one from if we did this. No Oh not last year but I remember distinctively telling you about this product last year and being head over heels for and then you became head over heels for it and then the whole facebook group kind of obsessed to that. And they still southbound John and I want I really WANNA icon. Just I'm no luck balls. Oh it's so beautiful. It's four hundred in ten big ones getting cheaper than it's cheaper I think is GonNa go love what lack who it's so beautiful. It's like it's it's like I don't understand how it's worth four hundred dollars with apart from the Shinola I get that it's that that would bring me joy everyday nothing else my table. But that's what makes them. It's so pretty so yeah I love that I still want it and one day one day it will be the next thing on. My list is Chanel. Anything awesome that works out but I will second. Yeah honestly ice. Chanel is a brand that I everything I have from Chanel. I love but I never buy Chanel. It's so weird. I don't know why I don't think of it as a practical where brand I think of it as a treat burned yes and yeah I know everything I have from them. Absolutely love it. Yeah what my thinking. Something that I'll go to duty-free even allow me to actually like. They're not more expensive than Tom fought than expensive wanted. The deal fell by. Just don't think of it as the branding. I guess it's Meiji kits not lying treat on a brand that I would just write yourself so fire him. Yeah whatever so. I always love to look at what the Christmas album sets I. Didn't they putting bits and pieces together again. It's a brand that I certainly. You can go wrong with your class if I was buying a secret. Santa for a friend that had to be beauty thing like I would probably go and get like Snow Red Lipstick something yeah and then you get a little chameleon and get it if you buy at Natural Chanel store as well Gordon website to your site does really when you get lazy good samples. I wouldn't buy on counter if I could avoid. I would jump from the website or Michelle Boutique but earning it just so much. Destroy Christmas. I mean she brushes Donald Brushes. I will second that. They are fabulous just so gorgeous. And I wish all boy perfumes. or I'll take some of that. If Jeffs general awesome should Albouy but yet anything I would be a very happy camper I would have absolutely no Louis and I don't know anyone that would I agree with that completely. My Neck Swan is again. I've been busy. I'M NOT GONNA lie. This list is is the wishlist so I would love me some by Rato Gypsy water body lotion or the rotation with the pump Russell. Because I just feel like body pushes while in like hand. Lotion is one of the things that that's definitely like a present purchase. I feel like I would never justify buying myself like a body lotion and I have one travel sized by Aradio Body Lotion. I was gifted and I love the smell so much that I'm doing that annoying saying well I just use it every now and then because I'm scared of it running out but then it'll go bad. I know oh I know. In light things easing so it's my own. I'm definitely gonNA address that but I know that I'm like Oh always say what like a big public just won't be like J.. Lo area smear auto body like is crammed. Lamar J.. Lo that. She uses Crumlin Marissa Body. That's amazing Brima. Yeah Kasese not paying. I'll I'll tell you that the note Houston oh someone who worked at. Who doesn't work there anymore? So I feel like it's okay to say this but she. I told me they used to send tons of stuff to Chrissy teigen because Chrissy Teigen had said of your back that she was a huge fan of they just sending in her tons of it. I say I like because I was like. Oh well does that mean you can send me tons of softens like no no and you're like oh Christie just because Jimi Dane. Everything sent to Holland. Oh good instagram. I'm not mad about. Twitter is league. She's she's morals. If I got my neck so I I need to replace a lot more brushes. Yeah that's I think what Bush's investment something like if you look after them. They ll coffee like they. Make your makeup brushes. You've had for a long time. I I do look after them. But I think it's time for a refresh my brushes Farren my Russia's a real techniques while I love real techniques and they do a couple of years yes they are only going to last if you hopefully by using them as often as often as I am I think eventually they just get tired they need while I would happily take new real techniques brush because they all my favorite yup just the ease of use wouldn't be mad a new set of brushes some lovely Mac rushes by the game. I would be mad odd about the HOURGLASS brush action. I think hourglass ones are amazing. especially if you want quality quality free brushes. They are really really fantastic. Actually I have some of the jewel and it was well and travel over. The jewel ended powder moving us with the ghost. Poly yes because it's ridiculous suspenders on this on a brushes necessary. Oh any of my other brushes. Yeah powder Russia's and blush abortions. I use it for everything and I do really a-rated. Yeah they did tell me around. I was like no this is to your expensive. It's so ridiculous and I was like. Oh I mean for me. I'm like if it's between the makeup and the brushes I if I could only choose one I would choose amazing brushes and get cheap America because I think what you can do. I'm not saying that means you have to have expensive brushes but quality brushes made while well and also perhaps designed by make party so that they know how to like you. Get the most from the Bronx one of your favorite brushes as the cope fluffy blend of. Oh love I think it's six dollars. Eight eight dollars and I have like five of them are pro kit. I just love it I use it everything. It's very similar shape to the real techniques ones without being domed at the top. It doesn't go to a point that the Queen blache foundation conceal is fabulous. I went to London. Took two of them with me and I use them pretty much chime and I lost. It actually wouldn't be about a couple. More election fled the HOURGLASS Brush collect about six hundred and fifty dollars for the full set Yauza but I mean it's like a big gift item individually but it's a big gorgeous. You Wish Harry case. Yeah so if anyone was late. Lindsey needs those brushes rushes. Someone should get someone should make. She's like all our time off she'll be listening to this with lunar and moisture so shout out to you Chrissy if you listen. She just beauty line with Becca. So she's got some brushes hanging around or she'll buy me anything I'll take the. Oh Gosh process thanks now flee say my next one is also brushes Lindsey and it is the Mike hit co my signatures vettix which is their most recent brush launch orange. And I've seen this on a copper people's INSTAGRAM I. I just think it looks so locks and beautiful sexy of the brushes James Molloy who is one of the founders. He is a fantastic potest. And I again. I'm guilty of loving a brand. That's made by make this because then I know the brushes are going to perform all my. I know they're going to do more than what preps you buy them for. You're going to have like multi-purpose multi-use I think. This is one hundred. Twenty dollars off one hundred twenty pounds hounds. Sorry Mistake one hundred twenty pounds. The full prices one hundred thirty nine which I still think. How many bosses you get some coverage maths yet? We did pass on fifteen go loud fifteen brushes. I think. That's a really fabulous price. I mean the quality looks amazing. I think is what if you were make potty starting out now you do need to have some good quality synthetic brushes especially when you have clients that very wanting wanting Kuti free makeup etc.. You need to make sure you catering to every client so I definitely suggest having won like one really good quality synthetic brush and diss this. It just looks like a beautiful collection so I wanted. I wanted my actually by that myself from Paddington tit. He would I bet Paddington would love you to have some cruelty free. uh-huh he would he would he'd be so I have one now is actually a reasonably priced suggestion. Okay and the one I will be most likely to get from Jeff but wouldn't the the I've talked about this so long and it's so pointless I soak it it just it myself for practically no. Oh money but I just haven't I don't know why don't just because it's like it was twenty dollars and I did not buy it. We really really really want one of those tiny little baby. Fridges you you do. You have been banging on about this for a while. And so but I don't even especially want it I can get wanted to put it in my office. Kaput I would probably put my jade role in the. It's very eye gels in the and then like a couple of diet cokes and then I would feel like that was a well docked at riot. Harry Office Ice Nice is so dinky that I mean you can get them a skin care if you bought them. When they're branded a skin coverages they usually saw fifty or sixty dollars? The if you just look for like mini fridge like six can fridge. They're like twenty dollars twenty thirty quid online on Amazon or Walmart here. You can buy the frigid. I'm like twenty five dollars or something inside. I might just have to do it because I just think it would be. Really Father Die. I mean you've got two cats can it not be. I like this one from Anderson right you have one from one. Countless that bell had bought me the beautiful islands of shadow pilot and on bought me like twenty three. I thought that's totally doable. Yeah yeah that makes sense. Actually also I think it would be very efficient because then I wouldn't have to getting off from my office to go into the kitchen to get a drink. Distract myself on route because there are the opposite end of hours. Yeah so it's practical. It's a practical took a lovely perch my eye. Hey Joe face roller and I have finally achieved full monty. That's that's very extra. I think it's GonNa love it. My next one on is the teak bays candle large-sized indoor outdoor handles black on the outside and it has blackhawks inside and black work so so it's just so good and I have a couple of clients that have and every time I now have like proper twenty. I want it so bad. It it stopped stuff are really one. Yeah I just love it. I just think it's good. I had one once. I used to have one minute used to make money for you. started focusing Focused in an and even Barney's in New York and I felt very very fancy hospice. Beijing felt amazing. Actually Burns forever like it does Las yes. One of my friends has it. She was like I've had my money's left on my oldest never ever regretted it but when I had burned it to the very very bottom I just couldn't bring myself to replace it. I just could not do it much. Mon- I mean I think it's like was it three under the giant when I had the regular size but it was the black on black and I remember my landlord came in and she was like. Oh my God what smells amazing air and I was built taste candle and she loved it no much that. I bought the mini for Chris. Long and then she like cold me and was like. Do you know how much Junius Cross if I want to replace. That is crazy. You're welcome right out just furious how much it cost another one like I done on something terrible hooked on like especially with is what happens. We dipped tickets are expensive. But you're like I'll find a way good but yeah I I don't. I'm not mad at you for that. I really wanted Lindsay and every time I go into a store. I'm like amount of fasting. It I can see visualizing into my home. Yeah I can see it look so good. I'm do some nice candles. Do Love Accountable Say I've been a candle is the scandals a- totally my jam and I know some people are like Oh Kandahar original Christmas but I just think like thank God because I feel like you don't have to worry about if it suits turmoil. Okay yes the sending maybe this ah but generally. There's quite a few brands. I would say as well that have like they're kind of like bestseller sense where it's like. Most people fall in cash brave and doing these to get someone boozy defense candle. You're not going to go wrong. Our Diptych as can't Oh you know one day you and she was only mad because she loved it so much. Yeah she's I know about getting a Jo Malone pomegranate and no one's GonNa be mad about getting a nicer fancy fancy candle the space n que is at the Shimmer candle shimmer space in some. Yes really cool like I. Just I know I know it seems like a thoughtless generic gift but it is now and also coming to the crushes. You get an amazing brush holder at the end of it to me. It's the gift that keeps giving it really. He is really is so think about yourselves. Yeah we feel like we do in late live aid area by Horrendo- burn by Rado burning. Rose it's a candle for Chris voicemails because she loves that to that before she she boy smells. I WANNA give a shout out because I think as well they all. BJ But without the price tag hit in America. Anyway you can buy. I believe it's like around thirty thirty five dollar mark. Your boy smells like same size. Like a full size diptych one and the smells on those a gorgeous they really kick off some sent the same way all the other she wants to do. So if you're looking for like really beautiful yet ragas if you wanna like a boutique. You've you've got your planner account. I feel like any Nissan into candle madness like I will occasionally like pop into candle world unlike place yet. No it's not real. It's like I want to go. We would be then when you go on like candle people dead serious various about county and they talk about the row and they talk about the burn and the cleanness of the burn and the all new planets there's Mystic Hassle Salaya sometimes on this close to ago in is like no combat on my plenary has brought me so much joy you'll be let Lindsay. You're supposed to be at mind to recall full coverage I mean San Diego by Beth and bath and body. We're trying to get gingerbread spy-scandal hurry. I'm really sorry. I know that it will go too far so I can't do it. Do Good Candle I do. Why did it because I I'm excited fully online? You Best Instrument. 'cause I WANNA follow the Yes boy boy smells. I think has some great news as well for Christmas so I definitely think they're worth a really good. Yeah that definitely worth checking out on a more affordable price point but still really luxurious gorgeous candles Lovett. My next one is I'm GONNA go to also ties in which is nicely which is sent. I have been been looking for so I saw. I tried to find a new perfume. Because you don't love. Julia has a gun. Where Julia has? It gone. No Perfume Chanel boy yeah. I love that unusual upside dot Kokomo Moselle as like an everyday if I if I'm just like running around and they just happy 'cause I've wanted for so many years and I. This is one that I'm out of which I just cannot weren't paying for ever again is Atkinson's old twenty four old bond street it's called an OP sold. This wants so I went into by Zelin soft again. When I was rich it lasted for a year? Don't don't get used to it. You guys take it away but yeah I went and this lady was like Oh what a perfuse you let me get you some samples and I was like oh I really like like android sense. I really like masculine sense to check. Oh my God we have one. That's so great and Atkinson's twenty four one st and it's just a love. It so much is technically aftershave. I believe we re positioning themselves. As gender neutral sense I think the twenty four Pantry is there like signature. But it's absolutely Lee Gorgeous in just so the sent the the notes are juniper essence rose. Absolute Black T.. Petered cast accord. And it's very very aromatic. It smells like you've just been sacked by the fire so it can go with a really classy mom love. You know it's like yes. It's John that makes me genuinely really happy. I just feel really secure and it's just like a bit of a bad boss Bitch. You know like a bit like I've got my balls on today. A ball send tone. That sounds terrible but it just really. I love it so much. It's real like wait to it but it doesn't smell overpower Lee masculine. So that it's like Oh you're wearing is boy. I know it's it's something that when I wear it. People will always comment on it because it is quite unusual out to smell it on a woman but also is just quite an unusual sent by absolutely flu love. That is not inexpensive which was really upsetting. which is why haven't replaced it yet? But I had that bottle the lake three or four years. We need to have one little. It's like yeah it's so. Concentrated is like legit a now. I'm thinking I probably should have boy in England because it would be much cheaper there because it is an English brand. But I didn't so yeah so I think you said you have to actually these cheap either. I've got I've got a bit deep into a Killian sent whole also and and for them for those a little bit so next in scrambling to me you just sent. Yeah maybe send to Graham. Oh I just love an and I got spritzing myself with all the billions in Sephora and I did smell like knocking shop when I was doing now all you really liked the adult sent from Killian. which very sexy check out? You would like to Killian so yeah I'M GONNA try. That sounds really. I love a masculine. Yeah really she just super into all these people doing really interesting stuff with sunlight. The schedule San. That's a really good any brand. If you want to look at people doing really interesting stuff. It's really nice. Time to be in the center world. Yeah I wish I will apparently come to. I'm excited for instance. Let's talk so if I if you think Lindsay should do in this podcast stars shamed a will kinda world a veterans origin. Kinda will but if there isn't a will be now but yeah I'm super into my sense and I do need re stocks. So dear Santa All taken Atkinson's twenty four hundred one st and Killian adult and that will be very happy and that means I will then start my candle. Thank thank you very much. I have one more. My last one is the Jillian Dempsey. Twenty four Karat Gold Google toolbar. Now I love Jillian Dempsey's products. I'm GonNa love this but I just think I kind of caught me on my kid. I kind of feel like every now and then I have fun with Jay. Talk Talk. He's gone didn't take long. Let's rephrase shall we I I was Gonna say I enjoy but it still enjoys having fun with the Joe Jay's Rolla yes I would like to try the twenty four car go far on Memphis I just think deposit firms lifting and I do like now. Oh but I'm making more of an effort in the evening with my skin care. Regime have been very like dedicated recently. Like the Idaho. Thanks bye I liked the idea of just being like a self kathy as well and kind of making me spend a little bit longer as well with Sarah. Yes it does it says. Hey let's meet. Let me quote the exact lingo because I have seen using on her husband. Patrick Actually Dempsey. Precious metal meet supersonic vibrations. It does but yes. The problem is right for like it's not. It's not doing a whole different. Christmas lists super fast. I would find coverage. I think I'm sure there should be an episode. It's GonNa Happen. It's like make sure the kids it's on in the background episodes but yeah I just the idea that I think is what I'm doing. Someone else's May come. I think it would be very easy to clean and keep hygiene. I like the idea of kind taping ceremony and especially when someone's like a long journey or very tight. It's quite nice. I really liked what I'm doing. Sales make feel like self calf of them as well so I want it. Aw That's so nice sunrise. I mean I could go on all stop I'm just GONNA say well no sanctuary so this Nadeem bag. That was talking about this. The name is good enough for me. Dennis Gross Spectra Light face web pro. It looks like a rose gold plated. Michael Myers Mask I. I don't understand. I don't know it's got lights in it. You slap it on your chops you plug and on. It treats your face with light therapy if the dean says it works it works. That's all I know I want it. I want it sounds ridiculous. It's four hundred thirty five dollars. I'm sure I would use it four times and the never again. We what were friends and she loves it and she's very she said she's seen a lot of not consistent with these new face. My soldier that I have. Yeah yes now. I haven't used it in ages because they charge and I forgot to charge it and I immediately go out like I do. See a difference when I use it is the free consistency remembering it doing it properly. GM regularly feel good for exactly. I just think I would really enjoy watching Disney loss without don on with the cat. That'd be a little face. I mean I'd be scared confused but I would. I would like to try I would like to try one. Yes I feel like I would like to have it for like a month and then do like a before and after. Ua It's a lot of money which you thought to be considerate to me. Chris Thank you Santa. Being Santa Ana time hit stop. Marielle time the slave I will be fine highlight We kinky painting tainting the impressed by maybe I'd jumper on can tiny cell phone. Yeah I am I have got I. This is a nice affordable ish it's like mid price range. This is honest I. Bet On it is the call peach cream cheek blush now. There's quite a few callers. I love actually but this one especially I keep using it lows. It's really nice. I like Tangerine. EP reminds me of maybe knock. Pink reminds me of the tone Ford Pink Sand. It's like it's dark can earn more orange. Yeah but the consistency is beautiful. It's not. It's not like a sticky cream lash you definitely get the genus. I like for me. I'm really into cream. Brushes at the minute like this. Kinda like a stiffer cream. blushingly compact I quite like with the flat Kapiti brushes and Kinda stamped on and then blended out and using the shook again the color pope blending rush for the crash so good love does it comes with a mirror. I feel like sometimes when you buying more food. Light in the mirror is not there. It's really nice. Big Pan size is and again. I feel like it's it's just a really lovely cream Basha. We know I love cream. An shelf the Brown but also I feel like this is just that kind of like pick me up color that makes you look instantly healthy. It's the kind of you can take holiday and just like do that on your cheeks on your lips and scar guy. SORTA shows love and I'm only follies. I'm really pleased because I was worried. They would go badly. I am very pleased to say that my highlight of the week is the Ben Necessities. Pilot vary pretty which I love. Love is the like Faux alligator. Hide it's not funny. I hadn't noticed that too when you finish printed into my not so much but I'm like whatever but I like the gold foil stamping. I like there has thirty bleeding shades in it mazing. It's the final they'd dollars. It was thirty four now full pricing regardless. Yeah that's still a bar game is. It's absolutely gorgeous as a really nice mix of satins and Shammas and sparkly shades are mats. There's a couple of mats of gold in them. There are some more just straight Multan. Shimer's are just practically reflective in there. It's such a nice mixture of shades. You can do anything with this. You can't do. Oh anytime with US pilot like. I think you could do anything I feel like. If you've made a pilot this is what I think he'd make. Yeah I feel like this is really like Lindsey Kelp edit its day really eh robot. That's what they should've called this. But like you said you can do so much with this. Could daytime nighttime smokey mountain fame pilot but latte blown up blowed out made bigger. I just think it's really really love it. Yeah it's very there's enough there's gold there's some sparklers festive looks as reds to do something if you want pop of color. There's enough neutral shades to a nice smokey. I there's a really Nice Bone Matt for highlight in this two tones of that so yes zoo lots awesome turn. There's this really nice. These really light topi torpedo P new mass. That are brilliant for crease so neutral and so like that. Almost this mortar. Toby so it's not too woman. It's not do anything. Yes is just going to create a contour my love that I mean you could even used contour shade on me. Yeah it's stunning. And then there's a gorgeous Matt Black Should you need it. which according to Papworth? We'll do 'cause she puts them in every played in Pallet. I just I love it. I love it. I did make using it the other day for the full coverage challenge holiday challenge of Brow in loving which we'd loving and I had so many messages all day for my instagram. Oh my God what's on your is what's on your eyes and it was this and I absolutely love it. Just it's so much fun and it's so cheap so affordable affordable and would brilliant present. Actually anyone such Russian. I'd reckon if I am not going to do it because I reckon I could. I'd like to live on that pallet. If a hot too for WHO's very pronounced not going to happen but I like you. I like your positive. It's not so much in there without it being overwhelming Ming. 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Episode 53 -- Waddell Wilson Part 1

The Down and Dirty Show

57:26 min | 1 year ago

Episode 53 -- Waddell Wilson Part 1

"Hello my name is rik houston and welcome to the same bop. Podcast your source for all things nascar history. They put your main room was going to get rid of they figure. If you mess up in the place i had one of my favorite affects nece and i want everything perfect we got his. I wouldn't give you two hundred dollars. So we ended up starting started second. I wouldn't unload the quick down and got that race on a wing bringing the <hes>. We've got the door bars. We didn't have permission that all day. Nascar and all of us associated anyway with nasqad surkhet. It's passed. They don't have any issue. I i'm steve wade and i'm rick houston and steve. When this episode drops on winston i do not i plan to be a boston red sox game with my son at fenway park and it is going to be a miracle if we make it there because the houston boston good night and we're driving. Oh austin is yes. I say her mouth yeah. I have these memories of going to the bush series banquet in florida with janey the and the boys and my mother-in-law. I knew i was in trouble when we stopped three times before we got to charlotte yeah sure so if we make it to boston man i'm liable to set all three of them out on the side of the road. I want to warn the fans fenway. I want to warn the asa rick. Heusen and ed bow ball comes your way run for your life itself. Things just live in infamy. Go ahead and tell your version of the it was okay you had joined. A couple of this guy says see that game and it turned out. We were sitting on the right hand inside with stadiums. I recall we were down the first base line and there was was not very crowded at all all of a sudden a foul ball comes skyrocketing rocketing our way and you pick up and start running after that and i don't know what you did when you ran over this kid rock locked is as two legs sticking with the air behind the grays dan seats does your kid gets younger and younger everytime he's as young he was resilient. He'll get over it now. In all fairness each major league baseball stadium has a game used store to where are you can just go and buy a ball that was used in that game. I didn't know that yes slob so maybe the kids of boston are safe now. Let's hope so now. How are we going to follow that up. Steve this week. We have the first part of the interview that you and i did with what l wilson. Awesome wardell was recently elected to the nascar hall of fame and i think in this interview our listeners are going to begin to understand why wow that was because when you sit across from somebody and talk to them about them serving on the crew of fireball roberts uh-huh and fred lorenzen and build an engines for mario andretti's daytona five hundred win and working for the legendary holman moody we knew do wah dell as a crew chief for drivers like jeff bodenheimer beggar ricky rudd and that kind of thing but then when you think about he she is journey. That's one of the things i love about this podcast because you do learn about people store or started as an engine builder yes and to this day if he remained an engine builder each still would be in the hall of fame seven cars using what l. wilson engines at one the daytona five hundred. That's seven victories. Were wadden in engines alone. You gotta you gotta think that i do not become a crucial as i said i think he would be under very strong consideration as an engine builder right it was more than that and the thing that i loved about the conversation station is the fact that just how close all this came to not happen because it was almost by accident right right. It took plants meeting jess. Everything yeah chance meeting changed everything and also in our second segment. We're gonna talk about the september fifth nineteen ninety one issue of winston cup saying harry gant wins at darlington right which we've been talking about a little bit in the past couple of weeks. There's the whole back story to that. There's so much news that was in that issue about that race and also there's a couple of features and news items in this issue bunk. He kanoute's and i'm the great name. There's a funky knudsen feature in this issue and also one of the most chilling news items. I guess i ever saw in this issue deb. Williams wrote it about a helicopter crash. That phillips was in where markle that he's alive. Yes it's very remarkable that he's alive so stay tuned for that segment and stave on patriots on five dollars. A month will get you one classic issue of western cup saying ten dollars a month. We'll get you to classic issues and steve anybody who does five dollars a month or more on patron will receive one of these commemorative issues of grand grand national saying that darlington is doing for their throwback weekend and something a habit. That's going to be a limited edition and i don't know how much sweeter can make that pot so patriot dot com slash podcast. You'd rather just do a one time show support it pay pal dot me slash the vault podcast what l. take it away l. Welcome and i just want to ask you to start you are born and raised from burnsville north carolina no bakersfield wheel banker. They said burnsville. Tom higgins okay but still up there in the mountains of north carolina very right through a first of all. I gotta ask you mentioned tom. Higgins so legend has it that that you guys played basketball against each other in high school in some way somehow there wound up being some kind of altercation as time evolved awed switchblades were involved nunchucks and what actually happened well. He accused me of hit him in the mouth but i don't recall all doing it. You know we we played him. In basketball from michio cownie is county and the school played each other normally in the tournaments and <music>. I remember playing against tom. He was a heck of a player must still don't remember hitting him in the mile. You hit him in the mouth and he looked at you and say why lil why rainy world did you hit me in the mouth. Else says damn anybody you by twenty. Two points actually herb. They were a journalist stretch into the tree. Who would have thought it would've thought it. You grew up in north carolina. You went to nashville ashphalt odessa college in tennessee then you wound up in miami how racing enter the picture well there are some guys went to highly holly speedway one saturday night and during the race i mentioned to him. I said well. I could out run those guys. They said okay sunday on saturday nine sunday with building a race car. I didn't win the first couple of times out but i did win the painfully well. How long did you race. And why did you decide to get out of of it. Well i raise for a couple of years and then yet i i finally taught my race car and and you took so much money to keep them going and it it was out of my pocket and working all work on that race car. I just found that spending more slim doing something so that's when i quit racing. If i'm correct you went from there to home and moody i went home ended up getting married to barbara my wife in <hes> so worked at afford place in spruce pine north carolina hall cash and changed hands different owners. They didn't like me and i didn't like them so i left and come to charlotte marla to see if i could find employment you know but i look for diesel work for to your two days. I couldn't find anything printing mountains. They wanted to go get the job at home in a meeting. I said okay i said i think that's a joke real anyway. I'll go and run into the holiday our general manager and he said i do anything boy. I said well. I'm looking for for employment. He said well. We don't know how i'm going out. The door not not dissatisfied. I figured i'd be answered ruining john home and he said canadian some looking work and he's gonna stay up my office and he got behind. His day opened his own. I will tell him what i've done in racing and it didn't think he's the painting attention than me so finally graduate from lifelock said where's your toolbox. I said one time he said eight o'clock so and i was at they don't have a clue what i was getting into now. If you had not run into john home and on your way out of the office what would have happened. I would've left to not disappointed because i didn't figure job there anyway. Now with a reputation at holman moody had at that time right now. Would you have eventually tried to get into the sport again or were. You actually headed towards a show. I never had node no thoughts of getting into racing working on race car. Um your thoughts about it at all so it just happened. I mean like rick said if john holman had not got a hold of you that way you you might be a retired and engine builder for joe smith for working on diesel engine. It was a blessing. I thank god that you know they did put us together and you know he don- home and i want him so much but doing that for me. Because that was what started my career period john homan go from working on diesel engines to racing engines. How did you adapt to that or was there any of that adult a patient. Now you know the plus i when my favorite is is a perfectionist so now want everything perfect and funny thing about it. When i come in the next morning to work run into our heart and i can tell like tickly like me so anyway he put me and i thought well that's kinda. He don't know nothing about me at all. So friend of mine came to the hall of fame two or three years ago and said i want to tell you the rest of the story. He said when you come to work. He said they put your name is going to get rid of you because i figured you'd mess up in engineering and he said for two or three months went along lee terry was over the engine them and they i check my work overtime. I got along to go to break. Whatever finally said you know. I think we got somebody kind of special better. Leave them alone now. When you first i began with holman moody you were on what fireballs yeah they create allows that to since i went to work at eight put me on his pit recruit fireball roberts picture. What were you doing. Well depends on what who showed up terrain so you didn't have especially you just did whatever no i didn't but you know i think carried tires in our ended up being jack man in front tartu changer and you know but but <hes> you know most of the time carried tarzi with far ball because he was the only driver hit me was daytona wanna july fourth race and he told me two or three times sitting on pit road is now wherever you go with that signboard folly so member there okay you come down pit road alive pit stop and he's about pits so white from you can stop that. We'll drum brakes and come faces. He is and i said nike ruin. He don't follow me got close to me. I jump straight up landed back on run up on me and i'll end own windshield rolled off to wind chill dumb job and he never ever said a word about it. What kind of person was he. He's a great guy he he you know he is one that <hes> basically at that time the spokesman for the sport right yeah absolutely great individual great to work for he'd come in the morning and again bono workbench and watch us work whenever ain't nothing this watches yeah and you know i don't remember how much i wouldn't accrue david if i'm on just one employs voice but now i want to hear the engine though and <hes> but he was he was unbelievable racer you worked for fireball ablaze and sixty three six to three and then you went to fred lorenzen team well what happened in my tent at the end of the season you know ralph ralph moody and fred lorenzen come to me and said we want you to be jackman on granja car. I remember jack carson okay so we'll go have try outs well. I i said okay. I'll do it then a lot of the guys who shop found out that type of going to be an opening there on that corner so they'll wanna try out for it so we go over and it rains arrange shop and so we do it the first time i won by little bit by ralph moody. Stop watch so anyways two or three of them sent on cheated taking on him back in a car but i did yeah so anyway i had little field of at that time so mighty quick the next time i walked out doing that was the end of that so i was in my car and sixty four and that was at a time when fred lewis really coming into his own as a superstar in this sport who you know i didn't realize time but i think basically home when i mean ralph moody and random basically want me build into biller engine goes. I'm gonna take change of the race. Tracks in lorraine come jump up my truck and say which one engine and engine so i think more what it was about rather than mean being jack man now we're you involved in the sixty seven daytona five hundred that mario andretti was that home and moody cartier yeah that was a car and wrap monday was with it you know he was overseeing that particular car now building influenza and mario that day and <hes> i was on the end of the pit crew though so i did you know that was just a hit and miss for radio coming run that rice and there's plenty of guys out of the shop it it basically never done much pick rework at all was on mario's car and they won well the only thing about it you know <hes> mario thomas you you know two or three years ago when he inducted in southern motorsports hall of fame or whatever and we got to talk for about thirty minutes about that. I didn't know the real story about that but i remember had trouble with <hes>. I got wind off the diamond without a problem. Am mario's ended up losing the campaigns so then had to take it back apart uh-huh and redo the engine. I was late leaving and i had a job tractor-trailer now so i got there the next morning and i went and told him and his agent number and told mario here's and told me he said it went into trailer. Gays agent amboise inner helped him get injured. I said no you don't want that and get different over here. Nope he said what l. told me this engine. They said one of them getting so he got the engine because he'd been complaining that wake john home and they didn't have the horrify renton yeah yeah so. He said when i hit to raise drako per practice session. He said that thing picked four hundred r._p._m. He said i knew i had them covered wow <hes> but he was he was one great guy worked twenty money's twenty four hour cars at daytona already. I didn't know that yeah they important are we had his car daytona <hes> <hes> in the twenty four hour race so he was a great guy to work went to now. What did you do after holman and moody there. We there till home humming marino. I was there for ten years. You talk back to you know one interested party talking about you know when when he in sixty four women unload cars down at daytona and lorraine's and run out there. I went down there. A month went down a genuine getting come back to mark and greens and several of them <music> out practice one hundred seventy mile hundred sixty eight seventy so richard petty unloaded his plymouth and painted blue plymouth said no one to corner never never fired it up. The first day of the second day fired up dying at things keenest agent. I will tell you two or three mile pfizer. We will give warming up to the motel so anyway. I told him i said well. You know he's got it covered. We can't outrun an emmy as let's try budget. Thanks and we worked don different things. I remember chain cam time and i'd been bantered retarded. You know find out what really work they don't hurt all old guys mechanics talking come out this and that but none of them ever had a chance to go trial stem anyway with a gain it but then we you know richard ended up winning the rights and <hes> fireball and wins and both ended up blowing up coco put cam shaves them win new. You'll make five hundred miles but they'd run a little quicker so we we left well. We stayed down daytona. I did and on monday fireball came out in the meantime we had built a fire lane at shop ford had them build it at home when the moody senate down there and we tested it on monday and left and went to bristol tested went atlanta's testing and lorenzen won the next in writing and there was all two hundred fifty miles a bit longer what el- what did holman and moody main to this sport because there weren't a lot of top top-flight teams in the sport that time you had in the process you had would brothers i guess but more i don't know that he was around a lot of them yeah career but what did holman moody bring to the table. Well you know that was the place for parts you know and we made all the wheels out of home. Yeah i remember i went to work as only thirty some including secretaries and you know the parks department you know and then another thing if the problem you know bill france senior would call john home and then we'd work on the problem whatever they've having you and there was a lot of things out a home a mood they no one knew about it for nascar. Ask god to help him with the problems having reliability on whatever it might be what are we going to have to get them into the nascar hall of fame well. I'll tell you what what you know what i'm talking about. One person that's gone on for what he done for racing and yet in the in the back started of it you know what he done that bring alone okay now with homeownership for ten years. They eventually dissolved. We still there when that happened. Yes okay. Where did you go thin well. I stayed down win seventy one you know when bobby allison down a car and you know we won't lot of racist yeah. That's after david pearson lampton david you know he wanted to championship sound at home in the money and then they quit campaign the rice cock talk bobby was gone ralph gone at that time and home come to him and said you just stay with us and we're going to run a race car because he knew i like working on cars so glen would come to know how to build his agents and seventy two and <hes> so i built his engine and then start with a._j. Donald kerr and they come to lay jay's going to leave. He's going to have to go run indy-car. Who am i gonna put race car. I said i'll tell you one guy you put uh-huh david berson is he put him in leonard. Leo you'll have a winning combination home. That's what happened yeah. I guess i build any format year in all seventy three. I live okay so you left in seventy three the end. We'll begin to save him to three. I left seventy seven. I was at home when move for ten years kanye okay. So what did you do at that point. Well ralph opened up shop and i went to work him building for being and bobby allison awesome candy parsons and probably ale g. You know one of the pilot to my life. I remember being with algae dewitt benny parsons and so i go work for them <music> but i remember and ended up in seventy three benny won the championship so you were with many when he won the okay okay. I don't know that so we won the the champions over many did in samna three and then seventy four of them went down size engines. You know i say three three sixties six days six three sixty four and they changed it to three fifty eight and <hes> i remember in seventy five with riverside and now beta come to set of pinsent man. I just gotta say pinson for daytona engine so i looked at my son's a drag race keeping an oval. We'll track car. Oh yeah the guy says you can okay so we back to the shop benny and l._g. Went bill francine to borrow money imbalance. You know for the season to write songs so i build one engine and then i go to i have some well. We're going to build another new engine for data dato. Don't can't afford it. I said well i went through all that stuff. It would blow it up and in seventy four and put an agent together so we show up at daytona leading. I believe i do too anyway but the new age and then we'll run in a couple of after we take it out. Put up put engine. We'll and we'll say the new in for the rice all right to lapse blowed up. We got this agent. I wouldn't give you two hundred artful. We're going to run the fight this whole term. You know we'll have to practice after qualify. We'll have to run the one twenty five one fifty whichever and then five two hundred well anyway end up started thirty second. I wouldn't unload the pin equipment so come down next to the end. I think still run on and he'd run in second place. David pearson leading the race ends up spending out and then we get up lead. We win the rice with an engine you it and give two hundred dollars. No i wouldn't go out scrap parks so anyway come in vicar lane and i and l._g. Dewitt was and benny both i've never seen two people way beyond their semaj stretches l. but it could happen to to better people anyway. I get to thinking what size that engine apart now. What's crank that are put in because that was the difference the shave the stroke i. I don't even want to go check it. They page me so you would have thought that autopilot so anyway i go in there and take it apart and it was okay but i did not know a while that is that's why we do this by you. Bring up the seventy five daytona five hundred but another event in benny's career that really kind of lives on in history is the rockingham race in nineteen seventy three when he wrecks and everybody powell's in and starts to help put that car back together. Put that into perspective. Just how badly was that car torn. You know ended up. A reagan got the door bars so nascar said you l. Let's we can't let you on racetrack like that. We don't have them spare bars. No place and there was one guy. I don't came recall his name his he had we'd built his engine engine for him and is a car was down at the other end. The garage wound down and got that race car and we and he wasn't around so we bring it up. We got the door bars out. Well we get going back on the racetrack and the bottom line. Is you know ended up winning the james here by us being able to do that running that poor feller that we'd cut the door. He burry a right. You kill somebody pilot over where we'll put. Your grace car bike together as good as new so he's okay. They won't eat saying well. You know what the result was. The reason we don't so you basically swiped the roll bars. We didn't have permission at all grabs car up. Casinos getting enough credible jumped in to help make that happen was a big day yeah benny winning the championship. I think the early eighties was some of your most productive and like. I said it was a harry rainier in nineteen. How did that it come about that. You joined him as crew chief. Well you know about it. <hes> whatever i was going to leave it was in the middle of the summer of seventy six i think and he sat down on a box of pinson's cold you know and he said mccain lynch you leave. You know you're the key to the success of this team. If you stay in your building engine so anyway said on that side of patience and and finally i i gave into him but you know he took him. Couplers finally convinced me that i was going to because i was driving one hundred miles one way each day to work. I was living on lake norman going to elevate the work and roger penske had already met with damage charlotte douglas airport for job and i took the job with him to build for him and <hes> so i hate to call roger entailing but i wasn't able to do that aren't the considered him. An honest person already worked with him. One time it indian his when bobby allison dove his indycar tire changer so you know i i finally gave in garage colonies okay anyway i state till the end to the end of the season and the funny thing about it. We run ontario's salaya racist season. We flew into vegas and after the race and next morning i'd played blackjack kettner lost my money who allows allows had laid down twenty dollars something when they're gone. I'm going to going through well. I couldn't lose that money so next morning so my patting me on the back and it was able wit. Let's have breakfast and i look and i could not believe i laid center all night and played played blackjack but i was just so aw give out and wound so we went into have recklessly so i got it figured out what we're going to do so you stay with me he said i know you don't like that drive. He says my apologies. He's an instructor in rockingham richard airplane. You fly back and forth. I said hey oh gee. I can't i know playing well. We'll utilizes yeah. I know i said i'm going to work for her. Every year and you came on board as crew chief now from what you've told us already ready. You were more prepared to be a crucial. You've done a lot more than build ended users told us you you carried tires. You did the jack and so much more you're so was that a logical progress to be a quickie. I'd been with so many of them and watch had all went down wasn't no mystery we to brian no big one a big jump from being a engine building in tecoma job. I know when star with though you know when we open it up happen. Linear palm was driving the car. Hurry we're near an herb now and then you got buddy baker and in i could see things was going south wasn't working somewhere i come in and let her go and then that's when larry come down and i had no clue i was going to end up being a crew chief and he comes to me and he said young man said you're going to have it all. You're going to be general manager crew chief engine builder now period habits have wow we know there was a a period i believe in nineteen seventy eight where there was a lot of rumor about lennie pond being let go darrow after coming in. I know that herb herb nab and lennie pond didn't exactly get long. What was it like for you to be in the middle of all that well you get into situations like that. It's no fun town. Thank goodness you know harry saying it and you know i wouldn't want to try to get people fired or thrown out or anything like that. That wasn't my role but so many other recruit mamoon complain in you know and finally settled situated. They got starting down. What was it like for lenny to win that race at talladega with everything going on. You know i have pretty remarkable. You know i know wh- had fires racecar in the end up winning and i was so happy laney was a great guy. Great gonna work with to get. He's good and you know. I you know i didn't want to see him. Leave to start with i didn't i didn't say nothing bad about him but <hes> been herb wanted buddy biker so that's where it ended up at darlington. Raceway tradition comes alive. Here's bill out of turnover. Four herald kinder- has the checkered flag in hand and elliot takes it and wins the winston million and the southern five hundred seventy years of racing at the track too tough to tame the come celebrate the nineties with us at darlington raceway on labor day weekend earnhardt will win his second southern five hundred six victory free at the darlington raceway in south carolina jeff gordon will win mark. Martin makes four wins in a row to purchase tickets. Call eight six six four five nine race alad racist off turn number three and back to start finish to take the checkered flag or visit darlington raceway dot com the measure of career winning a stubborn five five hundred bring the family and relive the history rich but gets the checker at tim richmond wins the southern five hundred hundred south carolina just right so steve tell us about this chance meeting of that what olson had that really changed the course of his life with john on home who is half of the john home and ralph moody holman moody team hugely popular and very successful at the time and the idea behind it all was that he didn't know if john was interested at all in him coming on board and john told him why not and you know the thing that struck me was just how random it really seemed to be because he had already gone in and talk to somebody there and they said said that yeah nothing's available and on the way out of the building he meets john. Holman is right and john says what are you doing. You know invitee see my in and the next thing what l. wilson knows he's on fireball roberts. His pit crew right so it was our man. That's one of those wadi fs. You have to wonder about that. I like to think that there might have found a job and racing anyway because he had a taste of it as he told us and the he knew that what it could do in racing was but not necessarily drive but be productive on a team so i have to think that somewhere along the line why del if you put out feelers probably they would've found his way into racing but hooking up at home and moody goodness how much that helped his career and how much it helped holman moody the thing. I think that i love about this. Story is just how close it resembles my own career because steve i was sitting in bristol press box in august of nineteen ninety two i was i was doing some stringer work for the paper in columbia tennessee starling marlins hometown wasn't getting paid anything for it. I was just getting a credential into the race and i wound doc striking up a conversation with the guy next to me whose name was jerry langford in. He was the sports editor at the journal patriot in north wilkes bra and and it was pretty evident. That jerry didn't really wanna be there. It was one of those assignments that he had to do. It wasn't that he was disrespect. Disrespect for he hated being there. Just wasn't a nascar cup and so we just struck up a conversation and i moved to north carolina a month or so after that and and in the press box at north wolfsburg jerry langford totally about a newspaper in the mountains of north carolina that needed a sports editor and that's how al i wound up at the allegheny news and that's how i wound up at winston cup saying if i had not met jerry langford in the bristol press box i have no idea how much my life would have been different while i know exactly how you feel because years ago i graduated from college and did not have a job bob and had to find something for at least six months before i had to report to paris silence so i we're going to martinsville and i was on my way to talk with someone about taking a position there at a furniture factory and i just happened to drive by the barnesville bulletin so i stopped doc mccarthy turnaround wayne into the martinsville bulletin. First person i ruin into is the managing editor i said sir. I was a sports editor of my college his paper for a year. Do you need a sports writer and he says a matter of fact yes we do. Why don't you come on back here. Are you kidding. How i took a current earn events test and the spelling test and i started work for the martinsville bolton the next day at a hundred and five dollars a week. Wow i never knew that store. That's pretty cool well of course being in martinsville no add to cover a race at martinsville anyway. I did not got no one thing. I did not know thing about learn so much so quick i from clairol's and dick thompson has p._r. Man now steve as i mentioned sitting across from what l. and hearing him talk about fireball roberts and fred lorenzen and working with them during the heyday of their careers that was pretty interesting because because today we don't have those personal connections anymore with drivers like fireball and i know a lot of that is missing and <hes> i think what l. a. realizes the knights missing today as well but the good thing for him was at home and moody and working on pit crews and helping and build engines and why was getting a wealth of experience that would benefit him as crew chief also he was getting experience doing pitstops back before the pit road speeds and all that went into existence and crew members were actually out on pit road holding the signboards. Those guys were straight up crazy absolutely absolutely in on this pitstop at daytona he winds up being a hood ornament and bouncing off the windshield right and then won't won't work on the car. He's continued the pitstop. I know how dangerous that can be years ago. Tom higgins than i did a story about being crewmen woman and to do that we were on the pick crew of a guy named lanny hester lanny apart owner time yeah but he also also drove what was then known as the baby grand circuit okay those pinto's gremlins and all that sort of thing in the subcompact cars and he assigned signed me to hold the pit board for him. Ou dom hadn't do anything but wipe off the win so they told me was coming into the pits and i had to stand there and hold that sign up to make sure that he saw where his pits were so. I held that sign up and don't you know he never we're slowed down. Fortunately he did not drive into his pit area but he flew past me and i can. I can feel the win as cars passing myself. Thank hugh lord. I thought there for a minute i might becoming this and then the nineteen seventy-three season finale at rockingham that is a race. That kind of lives was in nascar legend. Benny parsons is going for the championship and at the time rockingham was the season finale he gets into an accident and the entire entire right side of his car is basically just sheared off dripped away in this accident and so what l. is working for l. G. dewitt and in benny parsons at that tom stave they went out into the garage and they found a car. That hadn't made the field for that race. I don't know how she put it. They stole it all right uh-huh and they cut it to pieces for the roll bar right what they'll didn't remember the driver's name and in greg villains just awesome set of books forty years of stock stockcar racing. The driver's name wasn't mentioned right so i sent keith parsons a message on facebook and asked him and he said that the roll bar came off the car of a guy by the name of bobby muss grove right. I don't know where bobby was gone. I don't know where bobby was when this grand larceny was is taking place but evidently according to what l. when he came back and found his car to he wasn't exactly too happy how i wouldn't be either another thing to remember. They not only did they rob a car but other crewmen from other teams came warming in to help benny get back in that race and stay okay. What does it say about that era when you had members of other teams against which benny was competing right coming in helping him how to to win the championship. I think that's a cool part of this story. That doesn't get told enough well in essence back then it was. We're all in this together other and today. It's every man for himself now. Without the help of those guys and robin car benny would not have won the championship championship no as it turned out a one at by sixty seven point one five points over kale yarbrough who is in his first year junior johnson awesome sixty seven point one five point one point one via. Don't ask me. I couldn't figure it out allowed now but the point is <hes> that's how many won the championship and he had only one victory that year were kale had four but what the difference was benny had twenty one finishes along with top ten and twenty eight raises. The system was designed to reward consistency. I guess that's where all the point this point that come in and this time it did his job in steve nineteen seventy-five daytona five hundred what they are talked about that engine like it was basically just thrown together at the last minute. He actually said he wouldn't have given two hundred dollars for their primary. Engine blew early in practice. I think you said three or four laps in and they bring this other thing out and they have to practice on it. They had to qualify on it. They had run the qualifying race with and then they had to run the five hundred with what else have we started thirty second and i didn't named phil confident enough to unload the equipment. So what does ben do well guess what he goes out and he he wins the race yeah he did and i'm pretty sure that why they'll have some serious concerns about how many was gonna perform on that day but one thing to remember. This is a race where where benny credited richard petty was letting him draft off of throughout most of the race richard had no chance to win in you it and bennie said he was driving behind richard and richard took his arm up and went come on come on meaning stick with me and by utilizing the draft with richard petty that tremendously mendis-led help benny win that race as richard petty would say the circumstances they just worked out for benny parsons to win that race and to me aid that says anybody on any given day given the right circumstances can go to victory in next week segment with what l. he talks about the nineteen eighty eighty daytona five hundred so that was the race will race fans got to know who why dale wilson was and he also talks about nineteen nineteen ninety-one sears point. Yes he yeah. We still great time well to be honest with you. It's still grates on me to follow brian caleb on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out the inventory at speedway t s j a dot oetzi dot com and steve this morning p updated his twitter feed and said that he had finally had a chance after his move to upload a few more atoms. He's got no talent. No man he has several new items to share with his followers with his customer so be sure and check that out because he is is doing a really good job of preserving nascar history and making it available so again follow brian on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway t s j dot oetzi dot com steve in continuing to look through these issues that have the race later. They were going to be featured in the commemorative issue of grand right national saint at darlington. I am continually amazed at how packed they are. September fifth nineteen ninety one issue of western cup saying harry gant on the cover pai has won a one hundred thousand dollar bonus from r._j. Reynolds and the winston million program he hid won at talladega earlier in the year and conversely. You guys didn't know what the time was the fact that he was going to go on and he was gonna win not only darlington but he was also gonna win the next three winston cup races or in a row four zero also one. I think what to buy. Series butchers races. I think at richmond and what dover that was is a magical stretch for him. Airy was already the oldest winner in nascar history to that point but he added to his record by one hundred eighteen days and at the time that he won this race. He was fifty one years and two hundred thirty four days old. He's supposed to be retired for crying out out. He was a young buck. He was beating young buck. Okay so you just put this under perspective as of this recording like as we sit here right now. I just so happened to be fifty one years three hundred thirty one as well. You know harry zandt. This day still looks fifty one years. Does you our oh man. I walked right into that chopper blade. There were only three cars on the lead lap. At the end of the rice. There was harry gant. There was runner up ernie irvine and third-place ken traitor her yeah three cars layup that going to say anymore and they're all man leads the way in this race steve davey allison was also going or a one hundred thousand dollars bonus after win in charlotte the world six hundred at the time he started from the pole and if he had won he would collected a one hundred in fourteen thousand dollars bonus to castle. He was up for a hundred thousand from winston and one hundred and fourteen grand from unocal because they had the poll program where if you won the race from the pole you want. What was it seventy six hundred dollars six thousand dollars. I believe seventy six hundred and it rolled over. If the driver ever didn't win it that race it would roll over to the next the next one hundred fourteen thousand dollars by the time david was running yeah at dengue. However and davey did everything he could do. He won the pole and he was leading on lap two ninety one and he started not being able to mash throttle all the way down for some reason so intern turn he would stomp on it yeah and that would get it. Maybe stick and open a little and in one of those exchanges he got into michael waltrip michael walker spun. David pitted wound up getting a fifteen second penalty for having too. Many people are over the wall and the problem steve. It's hard to believe the problem turned out to basam pop rivets from the cow that had gotten into the throttle linkage how much as a pop rivet cost. I'm not sure but i think both of us could afford oscillated between the both of us we could buy few but maybe a couple of cents yeah and they wound up costing two hundred fourteen thousand dollars in bonus money and on top of that whatever the winner's purse right so you're looking at probably three hundred thousand dollars that went out the window four turn set top rivet you believe and as always this issue has interesting interesting side note cow patey in this race made his first start after breaking his left leg on may sixth at talladega right and stated hey was who's running in the top five with ten laps to go when the engine let go in his car racing pontiac yeah kenny wallace how young canyon walls served as relief driver for a period of time nim cal got back into the car did extremely well at darlington but you know it wasn't to be and then steve herald kinder- the longtime flag man and such a just an awesome personality right in the sport that time he was the chief flag man he died on september the second that was a huge loss for this sport absolute he was as you mentioned that great personality. He just got along with everybody. Everybody respected him and he did his job so <hes> took it very very seriously. Only the wind flags than harold candor yes him in being the nascar official closest to the crowd he would come out of the flag stand and he would sign autographs and after a race i believe that he would give his bubble goggles away to some kid and all that kind of thing so for the sport to lose him. That was a big loss then. I believe dell ford immediately took okay yeah. Dell ford took over in this issue. Also there's coverage of david pearson being inducted into the national motorsports press association hall of fame. Honestly i would have thought he would already been anyway but not ninety one but i guess there's a statute of limitations where you gotta wait a certain amount of time these five years now in david's case ace lease until nineteen eighty six he kept taking spot right here and there and that sorta delayed his entry into the hall of fame but eh guy she got their ninety one and deservedly so and that was a cool hometown store because with him being from spartanburg and of course darlington both in south carolina right that was the hometown boy making good yeah absolutely and <hes> just how prophetic was a he's inducted into the hall aw thing while donna can race coverage is in the same issue you can't take pearson away from darlington now and you can't take darlington away from david pearson either and as i mentioned an intro in this issue there's a story on monkey can knutson who is nascar national commissioner had been involved the auto industry in detroit yeah for years and years was light motorcycle whether white trucks i think he was involved in that. His name was s. s. c. m. o. n. Seaman seaman i dunno e knutson. Monkey was his neck punky now. How did they get no. Nobody in the press except i think seeing when they wrote this feature even knew who he was. He never showed up at the track. As far as we know he was nascar national commissioner the buck stops with him now steve according to godwin kelly's feature on monkey. He was seventy eight years old at the tom o'brien brian and he was a resident of bloomfield hills michigan. Maybe that explains why he didn't get auto races bad from up there. Monkey had been in the news earlier in the season. Tommy ellis dallas was relief driving for geoff bodine who had also been injured at talladega. Hey was driving the junior johnson and associates ford in the all star race during during qualifying and practice for the all star race the winston at charlotte and he was found with an oversized engine in an oversize engine and and the engine in that car the limit was three hundred and thirty eight cubic inches and exceeded that by three point eight five five six so nearly four cubic inches. This was a walker as always said. If i'm going to cheat you i'm gonna cheat as it turned out nascar suspended junior johnson and tim broher for twelve races which monkey later reduced on appeal to four four weeks so well you know had that penalty stuck that you know week that would have been as long as suspension his nat car ever made the driver just a few years before had gotten a twelve week suspension for using a nitrous oxide by car so this would've mashed it but lucky can knutson. I like that name to reduced to four weeks as we know the car was renumbered from eleven to number number ninety seven and flossy johnson. Johnson's wife at the time was listed as the car owner. So what do you remember about that top. What was the falen in the garage about transgression where you know it was it was a transgression i mean there was no doubt in the garage or about it. Eh some people asked this is a special race. This is not appoint. Japan race can't the guys who onto cars a little bit and <hes> the answer was no. I mean now. We did hear the argument in the garage area that the winston was not appointed paying race. It was a race this where everybody wanted to go all out to win a lot of money so why not let them throw around with the cars a little bit but reason prevail. Ask guard couldn't let that happen if nothing else it might be dangerous so the cup rules applied all the way through well being a relief driver tommy evidently it didn't get the memo from junior to blow the engine up as he crossed the did. I say that out loud yes and of course the reverence there is the inaugural the winston all star race and darrell waltrip won that and magically suddenly somehow some way miraculously as he crossed under the checkered flag the engine fail that engine now. I didn't fail hankered grenada which conveniently means that what's the purpose of doing an inspection so i don't know what what happened there who knows. I don't know the bear not say anything else. Don't wanna get sued for libel or whatever but steve we mentioned also this in the intro to the show deb. Williams had just an awesome saint on the circuit news item to read her account of phillix bodices helicopter crash. I mean you've seen the story org and to imagine going through that phillips about us and his sean taylor escaped injury when their helicopter crashed on the grandfather mountain country club ebb golf course in north west north carolina on august thirtieth and i'm telling you man turbine blade came out the back of the engine and it caught on fire and basically exploded at approximately five thousand feet in altitude now that has to be the end of that. I mean can you you imagine a helicopter blown up at five thousand feet and patty surviving felix said deb story. He cut a real deep left after bank. The ball of fire came out over my shoulder. He aimed at straight down onto the ground and luckily for us the sixteenth fairway slopes down and and that's what saved our butts when we hit we bounced and slid about one hundred some feet down this bank it came to a stop next to a creek and it was on on far. Tour of the land allows them basically to escape alive. Bill got out started running but realized laws that sean taylor wasn't with him. He turned back act to turn back and sean was still in the aircraft today. Phillix said he he was trying to recollect his thoughts and he was still kind of numb. I opened the door and told him it was on fire. He jumped out and we ran. If there's anything humorous it all about disadvant- feel sad on this golf course there was a couple playing golf when we crashed and they didn't even slow down. They hit a ball right over our heads. I couldn't believe it. They didn't say a word. They just kept on going. Nobody say four so evidently that teatime was sacred in the conclusion to this story. Is that sean taylor. The pilot asked for a couple of days off after after at least you know what take as much time as you all to hear about new hero hey i'm dale earnhardt junior and you're listening to the scene ball podcast steve patriot dot com slash the same you bought podcast pay pal dot me slash the same podcast help us out over there follow us on twitter at the same vault follow us on facebook at the same vault and dan again. Thank you to peter cellino and the centaur media. Thank you jim baker and the down and dirty radio network that we're now part of. Thank you to joey. Step my best friend from high school for the musical score. Thank you dr patron and pay pao. Supporters bryan kehl appreciate you and again darlington. The clock is is taken until we're able to hold that commemorative issue in our hands absolutely and i'm going to be very very happy when we do that and i'd be happier win. We're in the band's can do that. Yes sir <music> <music>.

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Democracy Now! 2019-07-12 Friday

"<music> from New York this is democracy now. I don't call them race. I say came in illegally and we're bringing them out. Legally these people where we have the papers we've got through the court system. They'll be thirty surly soon as the trump administration threatens to begin nationwide immigration raids on Sunday. We speak to immigrant rights organizers in New York Atlanta and Los Angeles to see how their communities are preparing for what some described described to be a form of psychological warfare then ten years after the U._S. backed Poo in Honduras we speak to ousted president Manuel Zelaya about the connection between the two thousand nine coup and today's migrant crisis it causes migration full Muni that east are the U._S. policies the I._M._F.. Policies the policies of the Southern Command for this region provoking more and more migrants with each passing day all that and more coming up welcome to democracy now democracy now now dot O._R._G.. The Warren Peace Report. I made me Goodman President. Trump backed down Thursday from his plans to add a citizenship question to the twenty twenty cents us after the White House struggled to overcome a Supreme Court ruling saying the administration's justification advocation for its inclusion appears to have been contrived instead trump said he was issuing an executive order to gather information about people's citizenship status from federal agencies. I'm here by ordering every department and agency the Federal Government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and noncitizens in our country. They must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately immediately Ari Berman senior writer Mother Jones tweeted quote trump ordering Commerce Department to still collect citizenship data means G._O._P.. Can Try to draw district's based on citizenship rather than total population Shannon 2021 G._O._P.. Gerrymandering Guru said this would be advantageous to Republicans a non Hispanic whites unquote census officials investigated six and a half million people will not respond to the census. If the citizenship question had been added affecting everything from the redrawing of congressional maps to the allocation of federal funding the fight over the twenty twenty cents came as immigrant communities brace for raids by immigration and customs enforcement targeting at least two thousand people in their homes and workplaces and Atlanta Baltimore Chicago Denver Houston Los Angeles Miami New York and San Francisco New Orleans was among the city's targeted targeted for ice raids this weekend but the city's mayor said enforcement will be temporarily suspended as tropical storm Barry approaches ahead of the planned raids immigrant rights groups have been ramping up efforts to make sure affected communities know no their rights. This is Jesse Board of CHURLA. The Coalition for humane immigrant rights of Los Angeles so immigration rain in our community or something very traumatic <hes> and so when they announced announced them ahead of the time I think part of the intent is to sow chaos in our community part of the intent is to try to confuse people to to scare them to put them on edge. The A._C._l._U. is suing the trump administration arguing the raids aids violate the constitutional right of immigrants to a court hearing before deportation and mayors across the country have also been standing up ice in New York San Francisco Chicago Denver and elsewhere after headlines will host a roundtable table discussion with immigration activists from different cities preparing for the raids in New York one of the city's targeted for this weekend's expected ice rates hundreds of immigration activists protested outside the annual annual conference of Amazon web services to protest the tech giant's ties to ice and the Department of Homeland Security Amazon servers host databases that allow the agencies to track immigrants and carry out deportations dozens of protesters made inside the conference where they repeatedly disrupted a keynote address by Amazon Chief Technology Officer Werner vogels after one year and one hundred days behind bars first prominent Latino Journalists Manuel Doron was released Thursday from an ice jail in Tennessee Doron was arrested last year while covering a protest against immigrant detention outside the county jail and Memphis Doron was born manella salvatore. He's a well-known reporter on Spanish language radio stations who also runs the online site Memphis not ceus Doron was held behind bars for fifteen months on a twelve year old pending deportation order but last week a a federal appeals court ordered an immigration court to reopen his claim that he's eligible for asylum Louisiana's declared a state of emergency and ordered some Gulf coast communities to evacuate as tropical storm Barry Churns offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. Go ahead of its expected landfall Saturday as a Category One hurricane the storm has flooded parts of Louisiana and threatens to cause an already engorged Mississippi River to overtop levies. The river which is usually six to eight feet in midsummer is now at sixteen feet due to record flooding this year New Orleans is only protected to a river level of twenty feet. The National Weather Service expects the Mississippi to approach that level today marking one of the highest a stripper level seen in New Orleans in decades. Meanwhile activists are demanding the immediate evacuation of the more than sixty five thousand prisoners in the path of the storm throughout Louisiana Mississippi and Texas in the Persian Gulf tensions running high after Britain's government accused Iran's navy of unsuccessfully trying to block passage of British commercial ship through the Strait of Hormuz charge Iran denies. We're just youth authority say the Iranian warships were stopped only after a U._k.. Navy vessel issued verbal herbal warnings. This comes after police in Gibraltar say they arrested the captain and chief officer of a detained Iranian oil tanker accused of violating European Union sanctions against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad French lawmakers Thursday approved a digital services tax internet giants like Google Amazon facebook and apple prompting threats of a new trade war by the trump administration supporters of the three percent tax argue U._S. companies largely avoid paying taxes by setting headquarters in E._U.. Countries with extremely low tax rates on corporate profits the trump administration says its launch an investigation. It's considering punitive tariffs in retaliation in New York the serial child sex sex Abuser Jeffrey Epstein asked a federal judge Thursday to release him on bail while he awaits trial on Sex Trafficking Charges Epstein had been held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center and Lower Manhattan since since arrests Saturday he offered to put up his seventy seven million dollar New York City Mansion and private jet as collateral he also offered to pay for security guards in his home and to wear electronic monitoring. If the deal is approved Epstein would await his trial in the same Manhattan townhouse where he allegedly raped teenage girls from at least two thousand to two thousand five epsteins bid for bail came as at least a dozen new women have come forward to say they were sexually abused by Epstein in the past ast in Chicago. Federal Agents arrested R Kelly Thursday night again after U._S.. Attorney to thirteen count indictment against the musician charging him with obstruction of justice child pornography and other sex crimes are R Kelly had been free on a one million dollar bond as he faces other charges brought by Illinois prosecutors including ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual assault involving four women and girls three of whom were under the age of seventeen at the time of the alleged crimes crimes an air force general nominated by President trump to be the next vice chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is facing allegations of sexual misconduct the Associated Press reports and unnamed senior military officer accused General John Heighten of making a series of unwanted sexual advances and touching in two thousand seventeen while she was one of his aides. The officer says when she rebuffed general heightens advances he tried to derail her military career unnamed Air Force officials told The Wall Street Journal an internal investigation found no evidence of sexual misconduct by General Heightened the Senate has yet to schedule A hearing for his confirmation congressional Democrats have approved subpoenas for twelve witnesses to appear before the House Judiciary Committee including President. In trump's son-in-law senior adviser jared Kushner also on the list are a number of former trump administration officials ex national security adviser Michael Flynn Former Attorney General Jeff sessions former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein former White House Chief of staff John Kelly and and former White House staff secretary reporter the Judiciary Committee also approved subpoenas for Executives of American Media Inc Publisher of the National Enquirer tabloid infamously helped Donald Trump make hush money payments to two women who alleged they'd had sexual affairs with him New Jersey Governor. Phil Murphy has signed a bill limiting the use of solitary confinement in the state's prisons. The new law prohibits the use of solitary confinement except when there is quote reasonable cause to believe that about the prisoner or other would be at substantial risk of serious harm as evidenced by recent threats or conduct unquote. The New Jersey law also carves out special protections for L._G._B._T._Q.. Disabled elderly young or disabled <unk> prisoners it also caps the number of consecutive days prisoners can be held in solitary confinement at twenty in two thousand eleven a United Nations expert on torture called on the U._S. and other nations to ban solitary confinement meant except in very exceptional circumstances saying the practice could amount to torture the American Federation of Teachers is suing the Education Secretary Betsy Devos charging the education department is illegally illegally and unconstitutionally failing to administer a student loan forgiveness program for millions of public service workers. The program passed by Congress a decade ago promises to cancel the student loan debts of Qualifying Find Government or nonprofit workers who make loan payments for ten years more than a million people signed up a department of Education figures show just one percent of applications for debt forgiveness have been approved and the United Nations Human Rights Council has voted to investigate abuses committed by Philippines President Rodrigo detail in his campaign against drug dealers including widespread accounts of extrajudicial killings and other gross human rights violations by the Philippine government's own estimate police have killed sixty six hundred people since details inauguration three years ago human rights groups say the true toll could top twenty seven thousand president details repeatedly boasted that he has personally murdered drug dealers president. Donald Trump has expressed rest admiration for saying he's done an unbelievable job on the drug problem. This week of funeral was held for the youngest victim of the Philippines drug war three year old Michael Ope Lena who was shot dead by police June twenty-ninth at her home near Manila Manila. This is activist Ruby Lin Tau of the anti-drug War Group rise up for life and here another year of the <hes> they say it's collateral damage was collateral damage but you say it's not because she she was killed because of this intense and those are some of the headlines says democracy now democracy now dot Org the Warren Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman immigrant communities across the country and their <music> allies are preparing for nationwide raids by immigration and Customs Enforcement Plan to begin Sunday that will target undocumented members of immigrant families in at least nine major U._S.. Cities Immigration officials told The New York Times the rage will last several days and target at least two thousand people they warned the operation could also result in so-called collateral deportations meaning immigrants who happened to be at the scene of a raid could also be swept up even even if they were not originally targeted the city's were raids. We'll take place there said to be Atlanta Baltimore Chicago Denver Houston Los Angeles Miami New York and San Francisco New Orleans had been on the less but the city announced this weekend that it is was temporarily postponing the raids due to Hurricane Barry on Wednesday acting head of citizenship and immigration services. Ken Cuccia Nelly said the rates are absolutely going to happen though he did not say at the time when they would take place he added quote this approximately a million people in this country with removal orders but that they weren't the targets of the upcoming ice rates last week. Trump also repeated threats that rates are coming soon well. I don't call them rates. I say they came in illegally and we're bringing them out. Legally these people where we have to pay for his we've got through the court system. They'll be starting fairly soon but I don't call them. Raise for removing fearful that have come in all of these people over the years that have come in illegally we are removing them and bringing it back to their country. President trump originally announced the raids last month but later postponed the move saying he was giving lawmakers a chance to figure out a legislative the solution to the quote asylum and Lupo problems at the southern border both the Senate and the House passed a four point six border bill a four point six billion dollar border bill days later despite a number of progressive aggressive lawmakers on the Congressional Hispanic Caucus vehemently opposing the bill on Thursday House Speaker Nancy Pelosi responded to the news of the rates families belong together. Every person in America has right these families are hardworking members of our communities and our country. This brutal action will terrorize children and tear families apart as Sunday approaches immigrant rights groups have been ramping up efforts to make sure affected communities know their rights and are prepared for possible raids the A._C._l._U. is suing the trump administration on behalf of Immigration legal-aid nonprofit organizations arguing the raids violate the constitutional right of immigrants to a court hearing before deportation and mayors across the country of also been standing up to ice in New York and San Francisco and Denver in Chicago and elsewhere this all comes as president trump has dropped his efforts to add a citizenship unshipped questions to the two thousand twenty cents but on Thursday he issued an executive order to gather information about people citizenship status from federal agencies for more were hosting a round table discussion with activists from different cities preparing for the raids and in Atlanta Adalina Nichols is the executive director of Georgia Latino Alliance of Human Rights. Shannon Camacho is the Los Angeles County rat raids rapid response network coordinator at the Coalition for humane immigrant rights CHURLA. She's joining us from L._A.. And here in New York Natalia are disable the CO director of making a CO director of organizing make the Road New York. We welcome you all to democracy now Shannon. Let's begin with you. Talk about what you understand is going to happen in Los Angeles and how you're preparing for it sure <hes> first of all. Thank you very much for having me <hes> I coordinate our L._A.. Rates Rapid Response Network with Cheerle- which is the Coalition for humane immigrant rights and and what we've been doing ever since June when we first expected these operations to begin is making sure that our community is prepared and that means doing the know your rights workshops telling our community members through these workshops not to open the door if ice comes to their house to remain silent if I stop them on the street and to make sure they don't sign anything and that they asked to speak to an immigration attorney before they offer any information so we've been doing these know your rights workshops with our different partners in Los Angeles ever ever since June because we that's when I thought that these operations would begin so honestly every single week since then we've been in preparation mode. We've been strategizing with different <hes> volunteer attorneys that are part of our Elliott's rapid response network to make sure that we have a strategy if people start being arrested and then there needs to be intakes the localized processing center and so regardless of what happens whether the operation start tomorrow or whether they start on Sunday we have been prepared. Explain in what you mean. When you say don't open the door would then ice knock the door down right so here's the thing I only has permission to enter an individual's home if they have a judicial warrant that is signed by a a judge and not only that but that judicial warrant has to have all of the information including the person's name the person's address the time of the incident all of that has to be accurate so I can say in our attorneys know this very well that is very rare that isis actually able to obtain a judicial arrest warrant most of the time they do not have that meaning they do not have permission to enter people's homes so given that we tell our community members that if ice knocks on the door no matter how aggressively no matter what they say to people and we do know that this is a very deceptive agency that pretends to be police that doesn't answer questions we tell our community members that no matter what ice does don't open the door because the only way that they could get in is without judicial arrest warrant and if they give you any any sort of administrative warrant or any other kind of document you have to review it to make sure that it's a judicial warrant signed by judge so that's what we tell our community members here in Los Angeles and what if they don't speak English? How do they read this warranty? And how do they know what to look for. What is legitimate and what isn't exactly? It's that is a very good point. It is a very complicated process which only makes it more important that we have these new year rights workshops so are know your rights workshops there in Spanish. Hanisch therefore our community members here in Los Angeles are immigrant and undocumented members and what we do is we have copies of a judicial arrest warrants and and <hes> use that next to an administrative warrant that ice usually uses when he goes to people's houses houses and we compare the two we pass those out to people so that they familiarize themselves with those documents so that in the case that is does slip it under the door. They're able to recognize it but I think that that's a very good point that this is an agency that is using trying to deceive the people and these people may not know what is going on for the people that don't attend know your rights workshops. They may not know what a judicial warrant is and whether ice has permission to enter their home and so that only makes it more important that we do the outreach to make sure as many people are aware of their rights is as possible an Italian aristocrat Szabo of make the road. How are you preparing here in New York and what is the city doing morning? Thank you for having me so very similar to what was being shared from shirlow. We are are doing know your rights but additionally what we're doing is also letting people know who is possibly at risk right now. The administration leaked or like the press found that information specifically about who they're going to be looking for so we're telling community members those rights but also saying if you had a previous order of deportation if you had any contact before with is you are likely a person that they're gonNA come looking for you. They often for different reasons have people's home addresses in that's how they're going to go and find someone so we tell people you have to going get our legal screaming. You have to go try to get and see if you have any relief <hes> and then definitely to do family preparations. If you have a little kid <hes> you need to figure out who in your family is going to be able to take care of that little kid you need to be able to put together your paperwork in your home passport and put it in a secure place in make sure that someone in your home knows all this information and also in a city like New York know that there is legal representation free and available. I mean this is a critical point. You have people who might be taken whose children children U.. S. citizens are in the house. Yes I mean this is a problem with what is happening. Currently that there is no humanity towers the actions that is in the administration are taking they are they have no problem kidnapping people before they go to work eric or before they come back home in they do not think about the impact that it has on a family on the health or economic wellbeing of the family and what about the policy of New York City being a sanctuary city does that help in any way can people well oddly enough to say this but can people turn to the Police Mayor Bill de Blasio says the police will not cooperate with ice so we have policies in place that say that no CD employees including N._y._p._d.. Is Not supposed to collaborate with it is unfortunately we've had community. Members come to us saying I heard when is was not cannot on neighbor's door and we call the police and the police came in told told all of us that we had to collaborate with is otherwise we're strutting the law so I think it depends pens and unfortunately even though if you have blanket policies the individuals may mean me WanNa choose different actions because they either believe in the deportation system or in the presidency or maybe they just don't know better and Natalie Nichols of <hes> in Atlanta Georgia Latino Alliance of human rights. How are you preparing there and what is the city doing about this? The first of all thank you for having me <hes> we have been preparing since two thousand sixteen gene and the idol knowing that we had here like a nationwide another operation that was to target Central American families around United States hearing in the state of Georgia Asia more than one hundred thirty four target week their children at that time our concern is that why community members continue opening the door to ice so we engage in a basis and door to door a campaign call is free zone so liberty is where we go a talking to people to neighborhoods to the trailer parks to the churches so that grocery stores <hes> come seeing many volunteers have helped with these purpose and Eylau nose to talk directly to our community members at this point we have a we believe that we have basic more than talk to people Oh more than twenty five thousand communities around the Metro area and estate estate why but as well trying to say a new seem social media for people to connect what is happening inside the their own communities. We are trying to put together <hes> forces as well to push back on a these are not detained. Policies is that could allow the localities not to cooperate with ice. We're going to break and then come back to this discussion as we talk about how cities and immigrant rights activists and families are preparing for immigration rates that president trump has announced announced for ten cities. They're holding back on New Orleans because another kind of hurricane is about to hit the natural hurricane barry so they're saying that the ice rates won't take place there in the midst of the storm. This is democracy now. We'll be back in a minute uh-huh serenade to an undocumented person by Los Altos del Norte. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the war and peace report. I made me Goodman as we continue roundtable discussion head of this weekend's announced raids in nine major U._S.. Cities Immigration rates to round up thousands of people and as the administration says anyone who's in the way and Atlanta Adalina Nichols is the executive director of Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights Shannon Camacho is joining us from Los Angeles with the Los Angeles County Raids Rapid Response Network Coordinator of the Coalition for humane immigrant rights or Churla and here in New York Natalia areas disable co-director of organizing at make the Road New York <hes> Shannon Camacho the city. How is it preparing and let me ask you this? I mean Hong Kong. We've seen marches of a million in this country around the issue of immigrant rights. We've seen million's march. Would that make a difference. Do you think we absolutely believe that. That will make a difference. Yes <hes> even in June when we believe that the operations were going to start what art L. L._A.. Reads Rapid Response Network did is us and our partners we went to the local Ice Processing Center in downtown Los Angeles and we had a rally in front about center because we wanted to we wanted to make a message and show ice and the community of Los Angeles and the rest of the United States that Elliot's going to stand by our undocumented family members are undocumented brothers and sisters and so we believe that that is very important because we have to tie this into the larger issue <hes> tomorrow. We're going to have an action on July twelfth today. We're going to have an action tonight night. <hes> at the metropolis detention center in downtown Los Angeles which is right next to the ice processing center and we're going to do this to show that the Department of Homeland Security is an agency that doesn't have any regard for human life and that is is a part of this agency so that when Congress is approving four point six billion dollars no questions asked for the Department of Homeland Security what they're doing is giving money for these arrests whether doing is giving money for detention centers where people are dying at the southern border and we need to connect those issues together and show how important it is a community that we demand that Congress not continue to fund the Department of Homeland Security and so for that we need to have rallies and marches and public actions that show that we're ready to act in that the community is present so we have. I've been planning that since June and tonight. We're going to have that action. In downtown. Los Angeles Ken People Intervene Shannon if they see a raid taking place and what about these collateral arrests. They're talking about about anyone in the way <hes> right. That's that's a very important point as well and it's something that puts a lot of fear in the community because even though trump is saying I'm going to target people very specific people Central American families and people with the final deportation orders. It's not just that ice has the discretion to make collateral arrests so there may be people just in the wrong place at the wrong time that do get swept up into the deportation machine and not something that we teach folks through our New Year rights workshops and I think. In terms of how folks can respond <hes>. We always say that if you are a citizen if you're an ally us that privilege be able to when you see something going on in the street or you notice that your neighbors are experiencing some kind of ice arrest go out and document commit what is happening film ice and try to make the situation calmer for the family because it is such an intense and terrifying situation to have ice come to your door early in the morning and arrest you and so we really encourage the community to protect each other her and to make sure that people don't feel alone not scary moment immigration encouraged Immigration legal-aid nonprofit groups represented by the show you or suing the trump administration in anticipation of the rates arguing they violate the constitutional right of immigrants to a court hearing before deportation A._C._l._U. of southern California <hes> is saying in a statement the trump administration's plan to arrest and deport thousand Central American families and children without giving them a fair day in court is both illegal and immoral more than one hundred years ago the supreme pre-import decided immigrants could be deported without due process these vulnerable refugees to serve that Basic Protection Natalia here in New York on this issue. You have child. Jails Dell's adult jails immigration. Jails packed to the Gills ten times what they were a few years ago. Where are they putting all these people who they're arresting? I mean they're putting them into the tension. Centers both funded by government money like what just passed in Congress or in private detention centers their administration is also getting ready to get places like hotels in other holdings also local jails when they have contracts with ice in these are the places where there's trying to figure out how to put people to them and I think you said something really important which is that the administration is not allowing due process and also a lot of the people who are being persecuted and look for our people who could have shown up to corporate. Maybe they didn't get the notice right away. They didn't get a lawyer. Sometimes the courts will move someone's Court Day to a day without telling them and because of that they get an order of removal like the it's not the case that they're only looking for people who have criminal cases is not the case that everybody who they're looking for should be deported and it's actually if people had the right to a lawyer and the due process most of the time they're able to stay here and to prove that <hes> you know that everything with their cases fine linen echoes. What is the position of the Atlanta Mayor Right Right now? Do you feel you have the city's support and non cooperating with ice years. She's the one that make that difference here. In the state of Georgia you look at Atlanta had a stand up with immigrant communities closing A._c._d._C.. These detention center were is used to say many immigrants were detained around in Georgia and the mayor may your stand up and support our efforts against the criminalization as well that collaboration with ice on a thank you all for being with us of course we're going to continue to cover the the weekend and next week Elena Nichols joining us from Atlanta the the Georgia Latino Alliance of Human Rights Shannon Camacho the coalition for humane immigrant rights speaking to us from Los Angeles and Italia Arista Sabail here in New York of make the Road New York when we come back ten two years after the U._S. backed coup in Honduras we speak to the ousted president Manuel Zelaya about the connection between the two thousand nine coup and today's migrant crisis stay with us. Uh Uh guy the bonanno human by lethal Pimiento. This is democracy. Now I mean Goodman we end today show in Honduras to look at some of the root causes the migration crisis and how it links to U._S.. Foreign policy under as recently marked the tenth anniversary of the U._S. backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president Manuel Salaya the coup was orchestrated by the Honduran military business and political elite with the support of the Obama administration since then extreme poverty and violence has skyrocketed in Honduras tens of thousands of endurance have been murdered including more than three hundred l._G._B._T._Q.. People about sixty journalists hundreds of peasant rights rights and environmental activists tens of thousands of refugees also fled Honduras most with the hope of receiving political asylum in the United States. Meanwhile mass protests are continuing to take place in Honduras against the right wing government of Orlando and in his plans to privatize healthcare pensions and education protesters have been met with violent repression from the Honduran military and police last week <hes> we spoke with ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya we reached and introduce a KALPA. I spoke with him. Along with democracy. Now is Juan Gonzalez. I asked <hes> President Celaya about the tenth anniversary of the coup and the link between drug traffickers and government corruption mediate. We'll go look the KHUDA marks. hittings interim is a new form of U._S.. Meddling appaling in our society is not join Dimitri Negroponte super-secret ten years ago John Negroponte Under Secretary of state and President George W Bush warned me a. and threatened me when I was president of unders saying that if I had relations with Google China's going those then I would have problems with United States you'll be six months after that warning was removed from power preliminary Lewis those new and removed from this country. The problem for the United States is that the friends friends of those who consider their adversaries are not their friends. They've decided they're enemies of the United States quite simply because I was seeking better relations with the south bringing in oil from Venezuela and getting financing for hydroelectric projects with President Lula Silva who they are now holding prisoner with those in Brazil so the policies of the United States towards the streets and changed and they made a mistake and I'll talk to you about the gangs modest in just a moment your question question but if you think about the elite in the U._S. government could within Kinda go but he's telling me he only gets Chin military. Their view for this region is mistaken. They want to go back to the nineteen eighties which was marked by the Cold War stigmatizing the opposition's. They've created shock forces as psychological war dirty war well if they think that they're going to be able to Eh stop migration in this way well. It's only going to worsen soon won the gangs who are a link in the drug trafficking business and they come about because there's no jobs there's discussed excess of poverty. Poverty is misery in Honduras youth find no solution EMBIID got three or four years embiid they will look in that he set up organizations innovations such as my older well then the drug trafficking organizations come on the scene and instead of creating more jobs. The government had things more repression component the Luedecke those it's supposed to do US gives him. These are components of the dictatorship. The United States is supporting. They've looted the country since the coup d'etat in these ten years each year in the United States through the the International Monetary Fund authorized twenty four billion of additional debt each year so now we have approximately approximately fourteen billion dollar debt when they removed me ten years ago we only owed three billion dollars dates fourteen billion dollars so to uphold the dictatorship. I they know tries the country then they drive the country into debt and they take out huge credits which they call sovereign bonds at huge interest rates is seeing what into lumper Lou bunk was hold and of every one hundred. Impeach forty now go to the banks plus. They loot the state institutions. The levels of corruption are exorbitant. They're abusive in every sense of the word missile Seattle. They've looted institutions such as social security which is where the retirement funds for the elderly are and where the monies are to cover the illnesses is that the mother suffered they have looted these institutions in order to finance an unpopular anti-democratic and dictatorial regime when United States doesn't talk about Honduras because it's shameful well Matt as he wins the rookie. Turn Up Laura's. They're ashamed to talk about what they're supporting in hunter. Can then I and the only thing to do about it is to denounce announce it because there are murders there are death squads. They've exported what's called Plan Colombia to Honduras the false positives where many opposition leaders such as Bertha Cassidy's to mention one bullet a good deal more immortal you at the time of the coup or another person who is fixated a twenty four year old who is fixated by the gases all of the Geeze Eliza. There's no way to describe these crimes of the last ten years other than by calling them crimes against humanity in this country should be brought before the International Criminal Court because what U._S. policy is doing is supporting reporting genocide in Honduras in Central America President. I would like to ask you about another country in the region about the role of Mexico because many expected that when Manuel Lopez over won the presidency in Mexico that Mexico would develop a more humane policy toward the refugees coming across its borders. What's your assessment of the first year with the first several months inch of presidency in relationship to your country and your situation under Manuel Lopez oral well look Andres Manuel Lopez over? I consider him to be a profoundly human man modalities with values that are in line with great moral principles but for the region and for Mexico and Central America we Glenna frontier tells us he has had a very clear position vis-a-vis th United States I leave that Mr Trump's crushers against Mexico with ours serious when they a threaten on cities to impose tariffs on Mexican merchandise surely my that produces more migrants more migration and more poverty in our reach these as we look over so the policies of Mr Andres Manuel Lopez open this sense you'll now follow his those are practically being punished by the United States Lima's deal Megan assume buying cut leader in one focusing on migration. They're going to look for some solution to the system that is provoking the migrants because everyone talks about migration but the causes of migration are the U._S.. Policies the I._M._F.. Policies the policies of the Southern Command for this region provoking more and more migrants with each passing day so militarizing Central America militarizing Honduras new means that that escape valve that hundred people have had which is to be able to get work in the United States to get a level scout soon impresario committee. Ken and one hundred people haven't even looked for jobs in the United States and is the U.. S. Businesses U._S.. Businesses for example have large crops and cannot pay U._S. U._S.. Person To work in the countryside they give the travel expenses to the family members of those who are their employees and that is why there's massive migration to work in the United States they might work six months or year and then go back and then return is procedural man Dinkum Digression is a human process seeking to find solutions when they militarize the border my what they're going to provoke here. We'll be greater convulsions greater explosions and the Honduran people you've seen this in media reports one hundred people in the streets and they're protesting and they're not protesting because we the opposition tell them to protest. Nobody goes out to protest because some politician tells them to do so. Maybe there'd be a group of one hundred people in that context. Here's thousands of people in different parts of the country engaged in massive protests peaceful protests. They do not use weapons now. At most locate a memorial is in the protesters might mobilize in in the streets making traffic difficult border bid is bringing transportation to a halt then this is the this guess what we expressions immigration shows that poverty is worse than the debt has gone up and people in the street these testing because the cost of Trysofi almost the cost of transportation the cost of fuel it will do this hocus pool. Actually almost everything has been privatized in hundreds so that should be evidence nearly with that this which is a model for neoliberal capitalism. Everything is turned into a business for a small group and for the rest. There's no solution vignal in Romania. It's a failure of Mr Donald Donald Trump in central America and then drug trafficking increases. No one wants to say so but drug trafficking increased after Likud top because drug traffickers when they see a a country that they can control through an authoritarian system with immediately get involved here. They founded military and the police so but I'm in Dominica. Democracy is the way forward for Honduras and central anti-american. The United States should learn to live with democracy and not be creating repressive policies against us. We have the same rights that they do to be able to make a living in given freedom. You have the current president of Honduras one Orlando Hernandez investigated by the U._S.. Government for drug trafficking and his brother Tony Hernandez actually arrested for cocaine trafficking. He was arrested in Miami. He's currently awaiting trial in this country. How does what does this mean for the people of Love Honduras I mean this is under the trump administration that supports the current President Fernandez dude well? There's only one way to read this. The United States is protecting its dictator here. Come into this Fisher can mistakenly they think that benefits the government of Donald Trump Donald trump might win reelection in the United States leaders in the EMBIID official grassy if he if the world sees that he's taking measures in favor of democracy in Honduras rather than in favor of the dictatorship has doing now drug trafficking is a measure of that drug trafficking is managed by the D._A.. The D._a. knows of each shipment that comes out of Venezuela and Colombia the D._A.. Knows about it and some pass through without any problem and others I stopped so there is not a fight against drug trafficking. There's a fight against cartels some cartels that are fought and others. They let them go Rosiak. He like Tony didn't seem believable. They know the implications of drug trafficking here say nonetheless justice is selective. They will take action against some and protect the those news I I think the president is protected by the United States ten years ago before the coup against you or throughout Latin America. There were progressive governments <hes> trying to change the social conditions. Ends up their people and we've seen this enormous change in Brazil and in in your country in the attacks in Argentina in the tax on on the government in Venezuela. What is your sense of what is happening in Latin America today in terms of the movements of peoples for greater social equality alien go so you do not declaring oil in North America well? There were some statements he recently made by a U._S.. Senator Triumph in socialism was seen that could set a bad example for the United States because it could even impact domestic politics in the United States they could not allow with socialism modern socialism I would say because this is a socialism that is different onto the free van socialism when found in Europe during the Cold War is a socialism that accepts capital not capitalism wasn't capital it accepts private enterprise not control by capitalism of the state. Is it new because we understand the concept of popular sovereignty sovereignty where sovereignty resides in the people in analytical power does not reside in a military or economic elite as under the neoliberal model so of course for the United States which has internal internal opposition because internally in the United States has begun to the talk of Democratic Socialism. I heard the Democratic Party candidates talking about Democratic Socialism that is why the policy of the United States towards our region has changed in Brazil they went after Dilma rousseff with a technical they wiggles so boyle inquiry donahue and because of Socialists agreements where with the people in the region and the right one the elections because Lula was in prison they would not have done so if lower free a Dunboyne now's the United States not only trains and military but also judges loyalties and boom he's through monopoly because they're using the justice system as a tool for political purposes. What is your assessment of president trump and what he's doing along? The border is doing associates. Try Beneficial's electorate. I don't know if that brings him any electoral benefit but I consider it to be an absurd action in a globalised world in which for the last three decades we've been talking about free trade talking about competition and competitiveness as part and parcel of the development of capitalism and now he has come up putting a hog to globalization so trump is like a negation of the historic process he is setback in almost every sense is really thrive in so again a conservative society such as the United States that can bring him electoral benefits but in the eyes of the world he he is behaving like a white supremacist vary with no human sensitivity has one would require in the twentieth century because Migration Migration's a right not a crime piddly. The migration of the poor northward is bad but if the migration of the investors southward is good the investors come to take over the natural resources this bull you go to to to take over like an easy isn't and it and they further impoverish our countries and that impovement impoverishment produces migration and the increase creased and drug trafficking and so on and so forth so I see that Mr Donald Trump's policies with the Republican Party represent hey setback when it comes to having good relations the Latin America all aid to the northern triangle countries to El Salvador to Guatemala into your country Honduras. This is very interesting considering. He supports one Orlando. Does the president now he's backed off <hes> cutting that aid but threatens to do so if the immigrant flow continues. Do you think President Hernandez would fall without that U._S.. Age Go who do we don't need the help of the United States. The United States gives very little assistance. What the United States wants is to exercise economic control over the structure of the macro-economy worldwide for example for the World Bank is Honduras went on to win some hundred and fifty million dollars a year one hundred and fifty million the interamerican development? Thank <hes> similar some so all told we might get about two hundred and forty million dollars and that is controlled by the United States with the hill and it also has a specific weight in our region duties on that got the I.. M. F. authorizes a letter that assigned every year so that and we can go into debt at very high interest rates because it is a government that is allied with United States. Look Down Look English of a he'll what that that provokes in our region is clear. I think all of you I think it's evident what caused us in our region gear. You will see are you. I believe that that relationship where they say they're going to cut the assistance has almost no effect. Let me put it in clear terms. Hunter and migrants will meet Me Unit Orlando Center hunters about four billion dollars a year. Let me repeat this amy four billion dollars a year and the United States together with the World Bank in the sense two hundred million dollars by I'm antics so Honduras should be concerned and the current president has no dignity. I look green was a good we should be able to speak to Americans on equal conditions with reciprocity and dignity the foul but he doesn't protest because at immigration training we had with the United States was cancelled. We had an immigration treaty was renewed every year indeed I had good relations with the United States North America. He'll in the U._S. and European oil companies don't accept competition but they respected me middle in the base ZANU man every year they renewed million G._P._S. at every year they renew the account that this year they've not renewed a single penny of the money in account but of course the policies threatening ballistic by now you live at a is a who did well the U._S.. Aid Only MONICO compete elite from the standpoint of hegemonic control of capitalism through the transnational corporations through businesses through through the <hes> control of the Southern Command over security and the I._M._F.. Over the economy and the Oh yes the S. e.. Material Specie has supported and that were made an internal effort on the justice system through the H.. So if the justice system is controlled by the Oh yes and the U._S. and Monetary Fund control the economy and security is controlled by the Southern Command then one okay popularity particularly ill only two totally massive stuff who well then what does Honduras run. It's all based on U._S.. Policy and on the interference and meddling of the United States in hunters the woman who the tuition simply reach agreement I see no flooded because the United States is a strong neighbor then the biggest military and technological power in the world this city buses you will it's not that we're going to be the same United States but we should not be vassal of the United States to a little bit anybody bill small country the same dignity as the Europeans and the U._S.. Have Former Honduran President Manuel Zelaya he was ousted in a us-backed coup in two thousand nine to see the interview in Spanish visit democracy now dot Org Slash E._S. to see all our coverage from Honduras.

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Kelly's Favorite Conversations: The Gift of Being an Empath with Dr. Judith Orloff

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Kelly's Favorite Conversations: The Gift of Being an Empath with Dr. Judith Orloff

"Everyone uses their phone differently and in different places the early risers. Use it here the night owls use it here and the never sleepers. Good luck using it here wherever you are you get more coverage with xfinity mobile because it auto connects to millions of secure WIFI hotspots and the best lt everywhere else it's wireless reimagined. Click call visit XFINITY MOBILE DOT COM restrictions apply not available in all areas requires visiting angel. postpaid xfinity in an actual savings Barron enough guaranteed for mobile broadband disclosures visit xfinity DOT com slash mobile. This is Kelly Henderson. And you're listening to the velvet podcast. I often get asked what my favorite episodes on the velvets edge. PODCAST are and it's honestly such a hard question for me to answer the answer because each episode has truly meant something completely different to me however it is the holiday season and I wanted to take this time to share some of my top episodes but you guys is where I feel. I truly connected with the person I was interviewing and walked away with many new lessons. Learned some of these topics are directly related to the things. I've a person personally gone through or amd going through. Others are amazing lessons of life. Today's episode is Doctor Judith. Orlov a psychiatrist and impact path who has written many books about the gifts of being an impact. And exactly what that is. I have always been highly empathetic and have often found it. Hard to navigate through lies as carrying around. Not only my own but other people's emotions as well Dr Orlov gave me some understanding of what being an impact truly means and how to use it as an asset asset. And here's our conversation. Okay so we can just go ahead and get started Have to tell you that when I first started reading your book. The impact survival guide. I was this sobbing within the first four pages. Oh I have. I've never. I've always kind of thought maybe had empathic tendencies. But I've never never had someone explain it so well or put into words what I was feeling. So thank you that was it was much needed for me. Oh you're very welcome. I'm so glad that my words resonated there are so many of us. Impasse out there that no we need to know or not along right so you are certified psychologist but you're so passionate about the topic of impacts because you yourself an impasse and you've had to learn to actually a psychiatrist and MD.. So yeah and so. I'm also an impact. Combine my psychiatric skills as with being an impact which is the perfect perfect combination But my process of becoming an impasse has an empowered impasse. It's been a long one because I grew up believing there was something wrong with me. And I always fantasize that a spaceship would come land in my front yard and take me away to my true home because because they didn't really connect you know to other people or no any other impasse growing up. What do you mean you felt like something was wrong with you? I felt what's that my ability to Sense energy or be intuitive or to be so sensitive to light smells sounds talk eighteen or being able to absorb other people's emotions into my own body. I didn't know what what's going on. And so my parents were both physicians told me Oh dear you just need to get a thicker skin. and Oh you're overly sensitive which made me feel like there was something wrong with being And so oh you know I grew up. You know feeling you know not seeing with a capital and impasse needs to be empathic. Children need to be saying they need to be guided and encouraged and educated. And I had Even though both my parents were physicians and I come from twenty-five physicians in my family I felt alone and I think that's a common feeling that many empathic children have and I write about that in the House House survival guide. How many empathic children just feel so isolated and don't connect and withdrawal all inside of themselves and so it's just I bring this up because it's a very common experience if you identify as an impasse? US An emotional funds who tends to be. He's very sensitive and loving and open but you take on the angst and the stress of other people know as well as the positive awesome. You resonate with positive but then pass. Don't have the normal filters that people have and so we feel everything right. Can you explain. I mean what the difference between just having empathy and being an impact our empathy is that beautiful precious quality of tables to have your Heart Co out and somebody enjoy or in pain and to really feel for them and their experience but being an impasse goes further than that you feel for them but then you actually can take it on your own by. We almost become them and Mt House. One one of the tools I talk about in my book which is so essential is how not to take on other people's stress emotions or anything else sir experiencing you know how to hold the space resemblance but not take on the stresa a powerful tool impasse. The learn and most of them don't learn unless they get specific education. And that's why I wrote the book. Because this liberates once you learn the tools your life becomes amazing and you can experience the gifts of being an impasse. Intuition the connection to nature the passion for living sensuality creativity Being able to Panton know things about people on the earth you know all of that so much fun and I so enjoy being an impasse breath if you you know everyone wants to enjoy the beautiful parts of it. You have to learn self care strategies in order to put them in practice so that you don't absorb other people's stuff right when you you talked about just the the weight of that and that was kind of. I think why I started crying when I was first reading the book because for so many years I felt that like taking on other people's emotions but you can't really explain that to someone else who doesn't feel that without sounding for me a lake without sounding crazy like I just I would come home. I travel a lot for work and I would come home from these trips and I mean it would take days to recover and it's because I was constantly with people in taking on their emotions and like all of the weight of that even if I'm in a really really good place in my life I can hang. I can be around someone who's going through something and have to take days till I grieve. That are feel that are all of those things. Because I'm carrying their emotions exactly exactly and what is so liberating to learn if you notice that you're starting to take on somebody else's stuff there was a client and you're picking up their anger. You're picking up there. A physical symptoms some sore or their their anxieties. Then you could immediately lightly at that point again to bring it out begin to take them not to take it on. Because let's say you're out on the road for a week working on a project oranges by the end of that week. You might be a wreck. Because you're absorbing so much from everybody and then it can take days or even weeks to recover exactly exactly will you. You describe a lot that the impacts are sensitive people. I think even on the cover of the book. It's as live strategies for sensitive people but when I think about sensitive I think kind of what your parents are saying. Like you need to grow a thicker skin and I think a lot of times. That's kind of how it's interpreted in our world you know like you. Just think about sensitive like getting your feelings hurt easily But what does that mean sensitive in to an impact being empathic. Nick is a are the traits that are going to save the world. I mean I feel really passionate about. That's why I'm writing about it. Talking about it and giving workshops on it but I I think that this quality in all human beings except for maybe a few like narcissist or sociopaths or psychopaths that they don't have emphysema they have embassy deficiency disorder The Emphysema inside of your your ability to feel for somebody else And see their point of view and sees it is not US versus sound but just one human family that's empathy. Let's you know is that will save everything. It'll save your relationships up to save the planet it'll save you because you're not always saying oh it's that terrible person out there no it's about so how can I be more loving and centered and strong and passionate and follow through with my dreams without taking on my clients my coworkers stuff my Celsius so you know my children. How do I do that and that you know what the impasse survival guide is out and also thriving an impasse which is self care strategies? Every day of the year two hundred sixty five days what to do on January first I what to do on June seventeenth new around the holidays. You know when it gets superstar people and there's so many so many crowds does house there and people are getting impasse. Just had a horrible time. Matassa impasse also tends to like one to one interactions or small groups rather than large crowded stadiums or crowded shopping law. No we tend to absorb the energy and crowded places because there's so many people people there and so over the holidays in particular emphases learn to follow their own intuition. And you know you have one person be with your animals. Do whatever you want. You don't have to go out and the crowd necessarily you know by if you're going to buy presents them online I don't know but lots of Lots of loving kindness strategies to practice over time that are particularly over social with a lot of expectations. uh-huh right well. If impacts are going to save the world let's talk about how people become impacts are impacts. Because I have so. How many questions about this is it something There's a lot in the book about you know children who go through trauma or maybe ah children who grew up in alcoholic families possibly bringing are adopting some of those characteristics of an impact. Because you have to kind of guess people's emotions all the time time and all of those kind of things but is this something you're born with or do you learn it or is it both like. How does that work? Yeah it depends pence on the case. I mean some children are learning pass is when I did my medical training at USC woodworking Obgyn and not deliver babies and navies come out differently summer like Little Buddhas Cincinnati and feeling and others or more closed and more protected more regarded. It's just so interesting so I think an annex has a lot to do with it what we bring in to this life when we're born sometimes the birth experience take affect it if you have a traumatic for you know that that can already begin to break down your barriers much. Traumatic worth is what happens at versus really important. You know how we enter this. Very course place you know the earth point how we enter this from where we were before you know is critical and so that can affect our sensitivities and so it can be genetic it can be environmental You could have empathic parents and you could learn to be empathic that way. The positive signs of having empathic parents as you learn empathy Sunday and they could support empathy in view. But let's say you have an alcoholic parents or narcissistic parent than you probably weren't seen as a little girl or little boy. And so you're beautiful talent of empathy and sensitivity and intuition we're not seeing and probably they were denigrated in squashed no which is a trauma in and of itself and so a lot of impasse grow up and have PTSD Either from actual emotional or physical abuse or just from not being seen and not being recognized for who you are that can cause a sort of trauma as well as it needs to be healed as an adult and of course the Candy Hill and so much of of it has to do with. Inner Child were in reclaiming that beautiful child who is left somewhere and from house your past wherever the trauma occurred word and the work that I do with patients also thriving at the house. I have a technique reclaiming going back doing visualization tation. Going back and reclaiming that beautiful and pather child is stuck in some house that you lived in and say you need to go back and find the house where the trauma happened and reclaim the child. Bring the child back home with you now and say I will never allow you to be hurt again like that. So Oh it's colorful. I'm making it short. This powerful inner child work that many impasse needs to do to reclaim. It's almost like a lost quarter hurt. If there's there's sold their empathic child you know and you bring that back into your life was just so exciting you know wonderful and liberating you right. What's the difference or is there a difference between that kind of impact healing and just maybe a person who doesn't identify as an impasse? Who you grew up in a dysfunctional household or is it a similar process? It's similar but the dynamics are a bit different because the half child is a if you can imagine a sponge or just an open system no without any barriers without any filters then you can imagine how the intensity of experience is up and plus the the impasse child often wants to make it better for the parents. Because 'em Tom uh-huh EMPATHIC WANNA help. They want to make a veteran. So the impasse child often takes on the anxiety of the parent. You know I did that with my mother mother. She was very anxious and I would hold her hands and that energy was going to me and so as an adult now. I've really had to work in my own healing process us about you know that was my mother not me and to have clear boundaries with that but you know that's the work that some impacts the depending on their apparently right. It's sorry it's all possible. You know all this is doable and it's so liberating but these are just some of the dynamics that I work with the psychiatrist with my patients when I write about And they're also doable. Because when you begin to work or self healing in this way you are free. You know you don't have all that weighing on you anymore and if you learn how not to take on other people's press and you really practice not a lot is is liberating in another great and you've so many scenarios and techniques in the book of just little visualizations. You can do while you're in the moment I mean for me. That's such a huge thing. Even when you're talking about your experience with your mother I mean I think for years. I've been caring so many different emotions motions. That probably aren't even mine and through this process of healing. I mean it's it's just it's such a big wait. You don't even realize like how exhausting zoster thing that is but the chronic fatigue that you talk about a lot in the book that is something identified with so much because no matter what I do or how much sleep I get. I feel feel that and I think it's from carrying the weight of emotions off. I it probably is and so. What's so helpful is to journal about about you? Know maybe two or three people from your childhood where you think you took on this stuff. Was it your mother. Was your sister with a friend you know and really begin to sort through what was really me. What is released him? And then to have a cord cutting visualization in both books actually thriving arriving at an impasse where you can cut the cord energetically between yourself and that person and it doesn't mean you cut off the relationship it means you cut had a bond to whatever streaming like Byatti and it's really useful really works you have to be ready. Yes you say impasse paths feel things first and then date think which is the opposite of how most people function and are over intellectualized society. So can you tell me more about how oh an impact processes processes different scenarios differently than a normal person or a person who is an empathetic normal. What what is normal? Yeah see and feel impasse. Are you know having visible tendrils just opened feeling that the world's impasse speak the language of energy subtle energy. Was Chinese medical practitioners called. She are shocked in the invisible energy that you know in Yoga Guard you activate it in the body with certain so is energy in the body that impasse are exquisitely attuned tune to and they begin the world. They approached the world from this energetic standpoint. They don't think their way through the world. They feel their way through the world. Well first of all I mean they also have good intellectual but their first way is to feel somebody as opposed to analyze what they're saying or keeping a an intellectual distance if you stand next to somebody in pain unfortunately many games has to sit there and our hearts go out and they take it on or they're going by a homeless you know community and they look at it and the anguish. There they take on into themselves you know and and so that's just how impasse approach the world. So it's important to learn very clear boundaries. You know with what you do and who you look deeply and into there is you know you don't WanNa look deeply into everybody's is because then you know you'll pick up a lot of stuff that it's none of your business business and so it's important to keep clear boundaries with you and other people I mean just last night for instance I was out to dinner owner with a friend and somebody came over earn. I was introduced to them and they reached their hand to shake my hand. And I said you know I don't really shake hands and they okay. No but the reason I don't I don't WanNa feel their energy you know I don't Wanna I don't WanNa deal with it. It's an intimacy and I'm not interested in with strangers though it's just a choice thing so you can pick up. Stop just by shaking someone's hand. YEAH IMPASSE THAT'S A. There's a shocker. Shocker in the palm that sends out so much energy and so either through the hand through hugging to contact as an pass Discerning not paranoid but discerning about you know who you WanNa hug you know who who you WanNa look deep into their eyes. You don't WANNA look into everybody's device because then you connect to their soul basically and you pick up scout. No or how much do you want to work somebody. How much do you WANNA shake their your hands? It's all it's all of you and you know in society we're not used to having these kinds of conversations reset just they're afraid of you know the person will think I'm impolite or they won't like me But I in my experience. That isn't what happens is just so not used not not used to and I say it so matter of factly and lovingly people usually just okay and that's it I mean. Maybe they talk about it afterwards. I don't know but you know I'm good. I don't say like I'm afraid of being judged I say right. This is my boundary and please respect. I mean you've had a lot of practice though right because I'm listening to you. Say That and I'm thinking of myself and there's been there's like a specific instance. I'm thinking of where a friend of mine was dating eating a guy who the second he walked in the room I got I couldn't shut it off like the energy was so bad to me that I was I. I just started reacting when I would but my reaction was so big and so kind of inappropriate. I felt like it then embarrassed and I felt bad for my friend later but so how did you learn how to do what you just described health protection of care. Yeah I feel I wrote this whole book thriving on character issues. If you have to learn what your truth is and it's not always invite ages and impress my sensitivities vary each day some days. I'm more sensitive or if I'm tired I have to say more care of myself. Better care of myself But it is just a form of listening to your body and so I've learned you know I've learned how to take care of myself so I could go out out with people and enjoy them. No and it just takes some practice eight sometimes work with my patients where you know. I'm I'm a stranger on the personnel in the world. And they're learning. How the foundries of me you know? So they could get practice the practice with friends in his name. No not able to go out tonight. Thank you for the patient Russian. You know or if you're in an environment like you said where the energy was bad where you can excuse yourself going to the bathroom meditate for a few minutes center yourself take come into that. Firemen Watch them play. Yeah you know you learn little tricks and they make a huge. That would have been in a lot better way to deal with. I did if you're the type that tends to have difficulty expressing sentiments out loud love books may be the the perfect way to tell your loved ones. 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This is something something that was super eye-opening for me but you talked about just bright lights and loud noises how they can almost be painful. And I've always had. I guess it's just that we're we're just. Our senses are so much stronger because like I have to have especially for sleep. It is a whole process for me of there. Can't be any light. It has a have to have a sound machine so have consistent noise. I'm very sensitive to smells like I can't handle our smells something very a fast. That people would never smoke for you at all even my phone ringer cannot ever have it on. It just gives me anxiety like the sound of that consistently coming into my space and that is just. That was so interesting. Because I've always just thought I didn't even think about it. I just thought that was I. I didn't think about why I was like that. But what is that It's just a a sense your sensitivity has turned up so that these things that you know you that feel on a higher volume than other people to you know a lot of people are walking around Phnom or they you know are are in their heads and when they're in there just in their heads all the time they don't they don't respond in the same way as somebody who's more embodied and you know has has more sensitivity tiffany but the the secret is to honor that s an MTO. There's nothing wrong with you. You're not quote overly sensitive. You need to have a beautiful beautiful house with low lighting into have the you know the tone turned offer down or has some beautiful chimes instead of a horrible rang You know you need to have smells. That are nice to you. You know in your environment so th these are still care techniques and it impounds have at a particularly strong sense of smell and so you know. Let's say you go into an elevator a filled perfume too too many M. has concealed like you're being suffocated. Yes those strong and awful and other people might say. Oh what a nice smell is so and I just WanNa say everyone listening the thing down past if not better or worse than anything else is just a particular personality type of way of being in the world that has gotten there hasn't been honored and that's why I feel so strongly about honoring it so that people are put solid many many impasse company and they've been the psychiatrist. They've been diagnosed with panic. Disorder major depression. All kinds of things chronic fatigue Feigel. Oh my Algebra and they might think so called diagnostic categories but the underlying diagnosis of being an an impact has not made. And so there was no techniques. Given to the to these people to work with not absorbing other people stop and when you're on sensory overload all the time which happens with many screenings. They're just maxed out with their senses. Then the stress hormone begin to flow and the ADRENAL. Glands begin to overwork and they tend to get adrenal fatigue. And so you know. It's a vicious cycle but once you learn learn how the turn down excessive sensory input test feel so good you know you're not on overload which is so painful. Aw you know and most of the time you're feeling really wonderful you know and you can modulate the sensory input that comes in as opposed to just this medicating it most psychiatric you know people do. We'll speaking of medicating you also mentioned. That addiction is very prevalent. Komo long impasse. Is it because of the sensory overload or we just trying to turn that stuff down but sensory overload has a huge role in it and and you know many people come out hall and you know they go into recovery and they're also recovering in town. Has You know impasse. Who have addictive tendencies turned to drugs and alcohol or foods that know anything at this says no out there sensitivity and and so you know there's a chapter in the survival guide on impoundment addiction and food addiction in particular? Has many impasse. Get really really fat. Because they need the armored to protect themselves from the negative energy they're creeping up in. I wouldn't say many I would say some. Yeah Yeah it's like a physical shield you mean like the armor the sat provides armor. So you don't feel feel as much there's just more mass between you in the world and does old time Break Keillor's around the turn of the century were typically really really really obese. Woman was three or four hundred pounds and they claim they needed who have the weight on them in order to do their psychic work so that they didn't take on the pain of their clients. No I don't believe that you need to wait on you and I pretty thin but you know there's a section action in the book on comparison food with you know a bunch of techniques to you other than eating to protect yourself. Let's talk about impacts in relationships because this was a super mind-blowing section to me You mention that it's it's a lot of impacts are attracted to unavailable people. Why right well most fantastic? Who Comes to me? Let's say they WANNA find their soulmate or they WANNA find. You know somebody that really connect to us on a level and yet they can't find anybody and so you know why You know people say oh. They're just not a lot of good men or women out there that's a line that recently and and yes and no Because M has unknowingly like unavailable people because they won't get overloaded voted by the experience of intimacy that they haven't learned to navigate that so if they're constantly wondering why hasn't called you know on and deep level that's a lot safer than being in an intimate relationship having a talk with him about. I need my alone time in. This doesn't mean that I don't love you. You know having those kinds of conversations. They don't really know how they have that in any relationship. You need to protect your personal space to map out the lone time you may not even live with a person anyone WanNa have separate homes separate win the chef bedrooms. There's a whole new paradigm of how to be together in a couple of your an impact that I talk about in the 'em how survivals and it's important to read about those questions that you need to bring up with a mate so we latian ships aren't fraught with too much togetherness overloaded. I could never be with somebody all the time. It was driving driving saying that we will somebody constantly because I need. I need my alone time. I need to have my severance race. I want either living with someone someone for six years and you know it. It works because he's able to hear my feedback. You know if I am you know reload if I need to be alone I need to sleep alone. Yes I need to go go in the back house if I did not talk if I'm feeling overloaded and it's not that time ample conversation You know they're all kinds of issues that come up. No if I want to leave leave a social event because you know I maxed out. And he's not an them respond in the same way that I do. Thank God run. Yeah well I was just going to ask that do you see to 'em impacts being together more often than not or do you see one impact and one non impact like like what seems to be more common. It's all personal preference some house for for each other and some impasse like we prefer non-impact. Tau Is a a type of person that I talk about in the book called the Rock. Somebody who's strong stay isn't swayed by the winds of life you know. Maybe you know doesn't have that extreme empathy. They have a good heart. You know I did with that type now. As as opposed to someone who's feeling right that seems again would be major overlay. Yeah the two of us for me would be sometimes for me. I I want to connect to people in that way like the I. I want another impact in the way that we can understand each other. But you're right like if I think about it in a relationship. Sometimes I need someone to pull me kind of out of all of the feelings. Hey and not be as quite as emotional or as sensitive as I am right right the grounded but yeah yeah exactly So Energy Vampires are also another part of the relationship aspect of this book. This was fascinating to me. You say narcissists are attracted attracted to impasse are. There's a toxic attraction between narcissists and then plus and in the chapter on implants awhile NARCISSISTS INSYS full-blown. Let's full-blown narcissist not just those narcissistic traits. full-blown narcissists are not capable of empathy. They have what's called empathy deficient mission just order so basically this is so hard for 'em they don't really care about what you're feeling you know they only care about it in the sense of how it might serve them right but this is very confusing because in the beginning of the relationship they put on a false empathic nick front right. It's very confusing. But what I tell. My patients is just beware of really charismatic. Pay For overly charming pupil because a lot of times they're narcissists narcissists have charmed unbelievable. You feel that electrical widening experience with them ban. You know you're alert. Your senses are awake and you know it's just an amazing that lightening having striking fear. You can feel with narcissist so you got to really take a step back if that happens just to make sure your partner is in a narcissist offices and and you know in the book a certain trait to look for in a in a tried and true with every narcissist. You know so. I suggest two people as if you think. Somebody's a narcissist. Just provoke a little conflict in the beginning. Whatever just don't do something their way and see see how they respond? Because narcissist typically again Kohl's withholding punishing and their true self comes out but if they aren't a narcissist assist. They would say something like. Oh thank you for telling me your name now. I can better respect them. You know narcissist wouldn't say that they were trying to manipulate the right. I was thinking they're all my dating pass as you saw I think yeah I. Oh my gosh yes like like I. One hundred percent have been multiple relationships with north narcissists I don't think yeah until I read that in a book about the part heart of Dumb putting on the show for a while. Because that's such a confusing thing. It's a a you know you get really confused on what is chemistry in. Then what does that a toxic connection that you're talking about between the narcissist an impasse right. Well just provoke a conflict with an excellent. Yeah and see how they react Because if you're all you know in the you know glazed over with passion and Ano- An expectation you're not gonNA see the real person but if you can just take a breath say okay. I'm going to provoke a conflict and see what see how this person responds arm. Then you can bring out their true colors more quickly and also you need to see how they treat other people. Yeah they treat the parking lot of tendon sales. Jose you know. Treat the food server. You know they're nasty to certain people than they are going to be with you. You know you you WanNa have somebody who's kind to everybody you know who cares about the earth and cares the brother people and narcissists. Don't genuinely only care. So they care they they'll they'll give you a positive. Strokes view. Admires them if you wanted the job they did you know what what an incredible cursing they are that they soak up but in terms of Loving you know right. Yeah I mean I work with a lot of celebrity clients so that's such a narcissistic world in general. You know it's kind of a breeds that just because of ah the nature of the job so I think I'm almost used to that but very eye-opening I'll have to test it out uh-huh if I wanted to make a distinction. There are people just with narcissistic traits. You're not full-blown narcissist so they have some qualities of self-absorption but they may have the capacity in for tearing if they go into therapy or going to coaching and they have. Are they going to twelve step program. That's very helpful. Supposed they're addicts are uncle hall because then they have to be of service of Ray part of the program you know so you know there. Are Those look down on on a scale there who are not full blown narcissists you know in the entertainment communities urine so I wouldn't suddenly you know say everyone right marshes assembled thing but I wanna say that you know with makeup artist and with you know anybody leading who has close physical contact other people. Because you're working on them back for an passes very rough. I've had a water. Patients in those situations are hairstylists hairstyle. Is You know it's very rough. Because not only do they tend to tell you their life stories. You know you're near their energy field picking up stuff all the time. So you need to take special time to replenish yourself. Now in terms of meditation getting in water you know hot baths yeah shower that helps to cleanse you staging or or burning sweetgrass. You know in your your environment. Meditation Breath Yoga getting out in nature united to have all those things going on to balance out your experience with being so close to the club right over the years. I've actually gotten to the point where you know. I have my kind of my serve clients that I have learned to work with because I am so close is to them And I have a hard time taking on New People at this point because of that exact reason it's exhausting to me And this is actually actually. This is why I even wanted to do this. podcast in general I got a message from one of my followers on instagram at velvets edge and she is a hairstylist. Does she works in the bridal industry but she said the beauty industry is a place where people feel vulnerable many times I'm dealing with insecurities feelings. Stressful wedding chaos. I know they are are not directly related to me but I can't help but still be affected by it. I can often feel the atmosphere. The vibe with room without anyone saying a word since I know you're in the music industry and probably handle large personalities who are perhaps feeling the pressure public expectations and criticism of the media. What are some ways as an impact that you're able to power through? Oh and do your job well without letting the atmosphere affect you and I don't know I mean you can probably speak to this better than me because I literally just just learned five new techniques in your book because I think I was just shutting the you know I would if I that's what I was saying when I travel I come home and it's hard for me to function it takes me a couple of days. Which isn't realistic? especially if you're in a relationship or if once I have kids those kind of things like that is not a good way to live. You know no that's our InFocus contriving. US An impasse. I offer a self care techniques for day as you can use in environments you know such as you know being in public or having to deal with a lot of different energies than office environment but in terms of what you Pandoo The first thing you need to do is learn how to use it. Breath who rebelled negative energy and You know when you go into to an environment be aware of your body. Does this feel good or does this not feel so that you can kind of titrate the you know the UC get the feeling feeling in the room. You can read the room and then you can take care of yourself and specifically as a result so I just WANNA say some rooms are fantastic to walk into the so good you know some yoga studios or you know concerts. Her beautiful sanctuaries the people create you know for retreat centers. I just beautiful. You know an assistant. 'em Town feast for the senses. But if you're you know around the public's and you have to to. You know develop some kind of meditation practice so that you learned center your energy and there's a three minute heart meditation that I describe in the book. Quirk you breathe you breathe out stress. It's critical to know that the breath when you breathe out that breeze out the stress or toxicity. It don't WanNa hold breath in life because that's what people do if you're around an energy vampire people get afraid and hold their breath nuts. The worst possible thing you have to breathe out and grace out any negative energy that you're you're picking up or any fear and then you need to. You know get used to excusing yourself. If you're feeling overwhelmed just to go to the bathroom so that you can meditate for three minutes center yourself you know feel stronger. And then Dan come back out in terms of the situation And then also learning how to set clear limits and boundaries essential for earn POW learning. That no is a complete dental you know. No I'm sorry I can't you know midnight tonight to do your hair now. I can't do it. You know yeah hired or not able to do it. Learn how to you know. Set limits no with people and say set limits nice term and Lebanon and short. You don't WanNa get into it with people you know or no. I'm not able to stay for three hours but I'd love to come for one hour now to be able to control your environmental a little bit more And also know what your emotional triggers are because why ear triggered by and other people is what drains you for instance if you your trigger anxiety if somebody starts getting anxious around your client anxious in your anxiety buttons GonNa get triggered and that's like a super drain when your triggers are activated and so no part of being an impasse. Traffic include self healing. You know where you say. Okay you know. Where's my anxiety coming from? Did it come from my mother and our how can I you know. Separate that bond with her so I don't take it on anymore so it's it's a lot of knowing yourself now and also getting into water as quickly as possible possible taking break in not having a schedule where you just go from one thing to the next to the next to the next. Yeah me I is. Limit the amount of socializing Salaya thing I do because I enjoy it but I don't. I can't do it all the time. This is too much for me so much input and that's fine. You know applying for me you know I. I say no to a lot of events so that's fine too but I don't just go in torture myself. You know and just get exhausted if I you know when I go I can sense my body when I go on a little bit of overload. Voices Sound Louder Lights Remember Writer And it's just too you know it's like signals red flags all right. That's fine diskette quiet for take care of yourself and so I I. I want to emphasize Catania's continuing to learn this. Is this a lifelong process of tweaking and listening to yourself and it's beautiful. I wouldn't having any other way. I love it you know. I love being sensitive. I love being able to see into people and read. People in in house can tell us. Somebody's he's being authentic. You know you feel it in your gut. Yeah something's off and that's that's a plus you WanNa know that they also Wanna listen to this with many 'em poundstone and many people pleasers so they have to begin to deal with that at himself now. No you don't WanNa have to please everyone times. You will disappoint people knowing the breakers you. I mean I'm definitely a people pleaser but it's something I've been working hang on. I'm a recovering. People there will say it that way. Yeah Okay Yeah REC recovering people but for 'em plastic compassionately deal where all of these things in themselves and to find people and jobs in situations that feel good to you now and to create a life says let's you know let's say you love the ocean that say the ocean water. Go try live by the ocean racing. Do that you know. Go follow where you're most comfortable so you're not living in the city when you really wanna be by the ocean. Well I think it's so interesting about getting to know yourself and allowing yourself to not have to do everything like for me a lot of times. I mean. I'm in my thirties. He's I feel like I'm striving to build a business kind of thing and I do it a lot of times. I'm just constantly going and that is is what is very praised like in our society but it does not have replan outright for me like I end up exhausted. Do not feel like I bring my best self to the table when I do that when I'm not taking care of myself but it is hard for me to say it's okay to not do that or it's okay to to take this time off or it's okay it's not be going constantly like everyone else. I have never been able to to one. Let myself off the hook. But I've never been able to move like other people so it's hard for me not to feel shame about that. If that makes sense about sitting Matrouh sell from yeah because I feel like a lot of people around me I watched them. Just go go go go and I think a lot of programming in me. I don't know if this is common for. Most people people is that that is the key to success is to strive and to go to keep doing and I can't do that well. That's good that you know that the secret is to take many breaks into not never scheduled active active back too much. Yeah a recipe for exhaustion. And then you want to go out for a week that right. Yeah so that's not going to serve you either. Write about balance balance about fallon they. You're invited I don't know you know three events in one day you know at least take a half hour or an hour. You know to meditate to be quiet. It just turned down this simulation between the event that helps a lot the many breaks for now. It really helps a lot. It makes you calmer I mean for me when I when I'm feeling sensory overload night pasties and three or four minute break. It feels just like I'm being being replenished again. Just don't talk to anybody you know. Close Your Eyes Meditate. WHO's the shade you know? Just be quiet or play some lovely music whatever. Just shift your state and then you can go back to the world of people after right do you you talk about most introverts being. I mean most impasse being introverted but Kenya be extroverted. Because I'm not sure awfully identify with an introvert. Yeah Yeah in the book I talk about both introverted and extroverted impasse introvert. You know like staying at home like being with their animals at home. I like having one person over like watching movies. Don't a lot out to events but extroverted impassive love to socialize. But the key is that you have to have downtime out to socialize. decrease your stimulation level. You can't just go from one thing into the next extroverted impulsive. I work with the warned that can you be both times. You can have a need. You know you might. It goes through a phase where you're more introverted and that might be related to the season that's often related to the winter season. Where few more you know 'cause I follow the season and you know the phases of the moon and I you know I believe all that affects? Impasse is something. I'm very connected at the two and my spiritual practice our practice and so you know on the full moon and new moon is a special prayers and meditations and connection. I just feel the cycle of life. You know Improv can do that if they want to be. In touch with the cycles of lines and some cycles of nature quieter hitter more inward and others are more outward and personalize it so if you listen to your body and connecting two natures one thing that impact. I love doing so you know. One of the gifts of impact is a high level of intuition. What does it means to be? An intuitive impasse are all impacts intuitive empha- have a certain amount of intuition but intuitive impasse often often have extremely strong intuition Or you can sense what's going on and other people you can get visions or you. Can I get knowing or you can get strong Aha feelings all of a sudden becomes clear And it's about inner listening. Where for your body tells you you know? Various things about people or they're also dream and pass you know I in recording my dream since the little girl on following their guidance because I'm so connected to that realm says some manpower to form of intuition they connect with those dream so it just varies you know some entails. They're connected to plan Clinton or animal and our earth impasse house or you can be particularly connected to the earth changes so if you had the sensitivity it can be directed to so many different areas and in some impacts have more of a specialty. You know let's say they're you know more an intuitive in path and they connect to animals or they connect into the earth. So it's good you know in those cases to live near there. There's just spent a lot of time with the Earth's because that's very nurturing the the two I related with the most you describe all of the different kinds of intuitive impact in your book but the two are related to the most where the Tele Path and the the jury which I think for most of my life has what may have been what has made me feel a little crazy like I have not wanted to say those things things out loud. Because they're really kind of strange almost like especially the telepathic. That happens to me a lot where I think something and you you know the the most recent one that happened to me was a couple months ago? I was just walking up the stairs and had this flash of my grandmother falling for random. The reason I haven't even talked about my grandmother or talked to her in weeks it was so strange and I was like wow. That was so weird. I wonder why I thought that maybe just because I was walking upstairs. I don't know it just like it was flash and I saw her actually falling and I got a call from my mom. The next morning that she had fallen had a pretty bad fall and That has happened to me so much throughout my life. But it's it's weird and it's scary. Which you address in the book because you almost like? Oh my God doc. 'cause that or what. What was that like? Why did that happen why Ya Yeah? It's because he loves somebody. They intuitive bond in connection connection with them as very strong. And so if they're in trouble or something's going to happen that's often the louder signal so it gets transmitted through the wavelengths whatever now gets transmitted for one heart to another and you obviously love your grandmother very much right here. You're connected to her and to me for my frame of reference. It's not weird at all. It's our natural human capacity at its peak as finest to be able to connect to people that landed I at my first book. Second sight was about you know growing up as in a twitter. empathic child and all those things you mentioned you know feeling feeling that somehow I caused it or there was something wrong with me and it kind of just smelling that and then how is this Dr But you didn't 'cause it you're just open. Yeah sounds like you're a very open until it loving person and in a to you know. Learn some skills not to take on too much. You know empathize over help and get involved with things that are none of their business you have to. You know each person in their own lane. You know you might overlap but each person has their own path to be on. They you stay in your around lane and it's not your job to take on the world's suffering you know impassable to learn that it doesn't help the world doesn't help you. What does that's health? If you learn how the whole space for people so that you can provide you know loving environment for somebody that goes through their own pain or their own path without getting overly involved. That's that's another skill to be learned as an impasse. And I did discuss that and I love that. You've finished the book with a chapter about just the gifts of being an impasse. What would you? What would you say? The greatest gifts of being an impasse are The ability to love very deeply connect with human beings with nature with life to be able to feel you know with capital F.. You know the flowers and the ocean and you know beautiful people people that you can connect to and into service others in my work as a psychiatrist that allows me to dense. What other people are feeling though I it can kinda get it from their angle? And that gives me you know at the perception into them. That's very important to me. The most important the thing to read is connection knows how we connect to ourselves to the people. We'd love to the people you know. My patients that depth connection connection my being pass really really helps and I love. I love the quote that she say in that. Chapter is from environmentalists. David David or and he says the planet does not need more successful people. The Planet Desperately Needs More Peacemakers more healers restores storytellers and lovers of all kind. It needs people to live well in their places it needs people with moral courage willing to join the struggle to make the world a biddable inhumane and these qualities have little to do with success as our culture defines it. So how would you say you found success as an impasse. The the power of my heart and not being afraid not being able to expand my sensitivity and and teaches other very happy happy about it under the opportunity the opportunity to teach others how to work with their emphysema positive it. 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Episode 4  From the Kibbutz to the Executive Suite

Leadership on the Front Foot

57:53 min | 3 months ago

Episode 4 From the Kibbutz to the Executive Suite

"Welcome to leadership on the front, foot with your host David Andrew CEO and founder of capital partners private advises and author of wealth with purpose h wake leadership on the front foot, will explore a wide range of leadership topics and interview some of our communities best and brightest latest. Leadership on the front foot was established to provide different ideas and thinking for community. The views in this podcast generally nature and should not be construed as advice. On this week's episode of leadership on the Front Foot David is joined by Dr Andrew, crying own Andy to his friends, and he will share his story from average students to completing a PhD in Israel and then becoming CEO of one of Australia's largest grind businesses. He also shares unique insights into global trade as a member of the Bay Twenty Leadership Group. They'll be discussing the challenges. Businesses face in the current environment and views on leadership, and they'll also canvas the topic of Ken. The Nice guy or Gal make it as CEO. and. He was the CEO of three point nine billion dollar CBH Group for eight years, and is now chancellor of Curtin University and a non executive director of Rsa Sunrise and Lawson grants join them for a coffee and a chat. This episode I have always felt that the world would be a much better place if we valued real ladyship more. And in the past few months we've seen the best and worst of leadership around the world. This week is cities across the United States and elsewhere convulse where reminded yet again of the importance of authentic ladyship. Around us is changing really fast, and how global alliances as we know them at trading partnerships of being challenged traditional allies, a turning inwards, and while we in Australia's seem to be doing just on at the moment, others in the world out doing quite so well, so if ever there was A. For Front foot latest ship this is it. To help me unpack a broad range of topics tonight on joined by Andrew, cried now until twenty seventeen. Andy was the CEO of Savy H, cooperative bulk handling fight years now. Full billion dollar turn of a business Australia's largest exporter of Brian and his leadership and he grew the business significantly and made a remarkable contribution to rural Western Australia new. Organization continues to deny. Since his retirement from savvy I N has developed a second career and he's now a non executive director of Arrestee Sunrise has nine. Everyone's go to the pantry. Molson grinds beardless EG and in his lodge's role, he is the chancellor of university in Western Australia, so he's got a bit on his plight Andy. Welcome to leadership on the front foot. Thank you great to be here. slummy wounded by. Just. Relax now, Andy. You humbly describe yourself as an average student and yet the records show that ended up with a play day in agriculture some. quizzical about how that will happen. Why don't you kick us off? We've seen sought into your any. Is that right? The beginning I was actually born at how. SMOOTH TERRACE! How subsidies from one one room wide property? In Leon CNA six not badge of honor to come from Essex hundred. Johnny. From the Did get some time. I'm had a wonderful childhood is near the sea. and. Both. My parents teachers, which was great fortune. Because where we live, we still had the eleven, plus which is Freddie cruel experiment the. Kids at the age of eleven take a test one of test and they divided into. Graham school on school. Aged, absolutely differentiation tests. That helped me. Practice the whose idea to grammar school which tended grateful for, but found myself swimming in a very false. Setting average. At School rugby. Enjoy that much, but that's what we played. and. I'm pretty much made by the Three school crowns than by my eight of which would be conveyed are here. We're I. Really Miss Him up and didn't get grades needed to go to university, which pretty much everybody did. And I went to polytechnic, which same as a second best, but in the end was good. The key on the side was good. Double Fire felt like and. I went and did environmental studies. 'cause something I enjoyed. I feel so much fun. The kids today trying to choose what to study when you not vocationally Technically gifted in the also engineer to decide what to study. When select pressure for it to be to lead to something. Fortunate got into Environmental Studies and technically Midas do a year working two years then. You're looking back on Sandwich degree. I think it's wonderful format. and. Tell Greenie nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five, a very early green, knowing about climate coach, long recycling lease. All sorts of things. In the side. I'll finish that and. I started wanted today. As I. 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That's where I want because I get paid for satellite imagery of Crops Hound, because I want you to detect specially in crops early on and I needed to get to Israel. Majority would is association and bought. them out of Iraq. Which is pretty handy? Because what's he got yet, they had transposed. And bought stupefy play a big role aloft, which is which is gripe to say now I do want to just dig a little bit into this. This satellite imaging and rage because by serendipity. You've ended up in Australia with some of the best. Broad Ikea Farmers in the world. Did you notice that wait? We like on Bosque neglect. Thank you grind film out there but. Tell us a little bit about that racist 'cause. You were very very early. How how's that evolve for farmers ending date for us as consumers yeah, well I mean ultimately it was trying to a time any any much increases from planes, taking infrared photographs of crops if strikes in from all sorts of different things. 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And I found so interesting around. The progression of multilateral trade agreements period actual financial reasons. And how much will head achieved appreciative, say positive say in Brighton Down Try Mary's. That done to stimulate growth. but we do seem to be a period all retraction from that very fast. Think Diane last week about accelerating trends. There that I think that's absolutely the case that We've this accelerating what we will wind about trade will. Country Lines. He's breaking down. I'm still a strong believer in free tried. I think he got a bad night. FREE TRADE RE deed. Stimulate the group the world's economies and help them from the. Just. The wealth was distribution well in inequality grew wage rises for many was stagnant over cats. And so I go to bed nine. And it's getting worse now. When you see the country's reactions to have it, it's almost like there's a national. 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Seating when it happened to switch some outing into other grinds. But yes, I much prefer these things to be dealt with diplomatically. Of course, I'll be my style rather than. A. Megaphone. Diplomacy because. tit-for-tat gets US nowhere. and. I'm businesses strategy decision public won't. Be impacted in between. So I'm going to ask you to get your crystal bowl out. I'm hearing. From you in your view is that free trade is not dead. But wearing a bit of a recoil, and had UC that particularly bag, but I suspect that's true of many other products. Had you see that playing out in? The Post Code will will use reality strike us some Moog actimel. How? Much, we don't want to have to choose between China and American. Diplomats Quite Ryan I'm you shouldn't have to. We need to and we can. Do you want cashew eccentric etc? 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On on really loved to get your perspective on that, and and clearly some some universities are really really struggling financial point of view. Just. Just help us on packets. Of Bit defensive and the oldest planet accounts I am being defensive here. I think that I'm some articles written about universities recently Using means being in too deep into China, that may well be, but then plenty of other industries in Australia that deep into chill. and. Students Align is the thirty billion in how. To instructor. And the idol that through through all the steam, coming property lentils talented. Americans two hundred fifty thousand jobs created by virtue on students, being here and we compete you. Cross little against big countries with one free and doing bloody well as we should be proud and we. At a brain guy, which is also we should. I know this talk about restoring and bringing manufacturing back, but frankly we need to change the fundamental. Starting at would, but we're doing well. 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So we can be successful, we should be proud of it as proud of as we all have our own or industry. And Grind Industry. Companies. Have the site. Government has been very positive for God. In understanding VIS and willing to consider, how do we get the industry back up and running? What do you sign any to the accusation that having such a high and I couldn't. Twenty percent, all the universities have wide wide, wide more. But what do you make the accusation that heading so many international students has dumbed down. University Education for domestic consumers. I, really don't think I absolutely understand this kind of the heart of. Kids studying multi great. The. Students with did speak issues well, whatever it was hard. But, if we look at the cultural contribution to international students, Australia keeps US connected keeps US connected taback you. these students Malaysia Indonesia India. Soon becoming from Africa. I in my business. Korea have met business people in south. East Asia. Who Eh officials at the Colombo Plan. PANCAKES! And studied here and I have been a lifelong Australian farms, and to establish August average the campus in Malaysia. The wanted it to be. A relationship. So it helps US business links diplomacy. There are times when the cabinets countries might up. Majority of Australian graduates. The value is enormous. Have traded live. It's not downsizing. Off! With. Consider the economic side single like all businesses get addicted to the flow of money. If you caucus stained, or you need to diversity, that's good strategy and I think you are wrestling with that right now. But it doesn't mean turning international, League success. So with the borders closed. What happens Nex? Yet. Super Competition for domestic students between universities. Absolutely, it's going on. And that's quite healthy I eat. Healthy. University sexy competing is reliable. Like I say the government's really looking at this hard. And how do we get? Back home that may be, we might get international students. Welcome back here. Tourism. FOR VERY STRICT PROTOCOLS Like many industries that LOW BEING GOVERNED GUIDE WITH PROTOCOLS TO INDUSTRIES TO. Touch receptors, different and I think the right protocols we can do that. We did with returning students. PRY during the remember university wrestling with this. Johnny Street before curving became. Wider. Short, so we're ready to welcome back. Good Protocols and issue they and Domestic. Let some. Let's wrap up this this specific pace with a little bit of advice. Oh perspective thumb. We've encouraging our clients since you. Took Tyke. We calling. Irrationally optimistic approach where where we know, things will get better, but we not in the right. We're wrestling tonight. The relates very bumpy along the line. Couldn't give us some inside. You'll views of how you think Australia will emerge from this pandemic. 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OITNB Episode 34: "OITNB 2019 Awards Show"

Cincy Jungle

55:13 min | 9 months ago

OITNB Episode 34: "OITNB 2019 Awards Show"

"Two welcome to the Orange is the new black podcast podcast. I'm your host as Boogie. Joined by my co host Zamzam. Say what's up to the people. Hello were no. It's been a while since we have have sought. See you guys. The season has wrapped up. Our schedules have just been pretty busy. We were finally able to squeeze some time in here But half the stock to show off with thank you guys for rocking with us Through the regular season we appreciate it. some news updates did happen while we were out so have to send a rip. I pee and our condolences to sandwich and his family Great Great Coach definitely had that you don't live in Cleveland. You live in Cincinnati Eddie moment that I think will you know. Always be in our thoughts and and minds but definitely his family and Definitely Kudos Kudos for having one of the most successful Experiences that Bingo fans I've ever had. He was a big contributor to that. Obviously we're going to the Super Bowl but today we're GONNA get into the awards So if you haven't subscribed to my youtube channel be sure to check it out new strive steady and you have follows them on instagram at them. Underscore who they be sure to do that but they were GonNa do awards now the you hold on how we so you were talking about news topics we have a couple of news topic. Okay go ahead happened since then like a couple of things I just WanNa say the bengals fan a a guy named Winston rose who I really really believe in I watched a lot of his tapes. He's now a painless. He signed a two year deal so this is not like some practice squad type things but they got him at corner and that means a lot for drinker Patrick moving forward and also with the evolution of various Phillips. So keep an eye on that. That's not a small finding on and like kind of just look over. He led the CFO interceptions He's a big time play maker And I think that they just have enough insight where they just. You're still really good about it. Patriots also were disciplined for Or they the League in the next two weeks they're going to hand out the actual discipline but they were found guilty of whatever you know videotape and the bengals everything like that. They've accepted that off the Marvin Lewis Louis in the time being also interview with The Dallas Cowboys. He did not get the job. He wanted his demands is that he said that he wants into bring you. Jackson is as offensive coordinator. I thought that was pretty cool. and it also big big news hearing Simmons got AH contract extension And one thing I thought as that from a special team standpoint we were absolutely On Point in probably the best unit. And we'll look into these awards later on. That was probably the best unit on our whole entire team. This This past year. If you want to say that they did anything. Well let's fourteen but either way he got too expensive for that also What was the last thing on the linebackers coach is moved on his name? Nico Boo Tanuku. Move and he's not a deep coordinator with Boston College. He's moved well doing He was if you guys don't know he came. On this year he worked as a linebackers coach and prior to that he was with the packers. All right let's get into these awards our all right so A war season people. Let's get it. Let's let's I I give you a rundown of what these awards are on the first one is mostly second one is team MVP We have biggest play as an award. under utilize Most impro- who Biggest loser game of the year rookie of the year offense a player two year defensive player of the year Comeback Player two year and community community service player of the year So them with all due respect you have your list ready. Do you Wanna go ahead and give your wars out. We're going to now. WE'RE GONNA GO ONE BY ONE US we're GONNA just I'M GONNA take. I'm paying palm back and forth all of us. We don't really rehearse too much stuff because we like to keep it organic organic. So we're GONNA do this on the fly we we both have our guys that we We don't know who each other and I think that gives us the best reaction and then we'll have some good talking points. I'm sure but I WANNA start off I guess What's the I WANNA WANNA go to get into most? It's Lik this lit- right now. So we gotta get into most list. All Right Mari War for most lick goes to tyler boy now only did he go to a thousand yards again. Ah I feel like in some of the key losses I think he loves it. And the and the key games that He had to be vocal Games win breasts feeling what he called him out. I felt like he was the most vocal a big play. What happened when when in doubt you could go to tyler boy? He he was six or seven in the NFL. I think it ended up in seventh as far as as far as targets ended with ninety something receptions so with his his ears easy way he plays on the field. He's a foundational piece If they move on from Asia Green. That's my guy for most live right right I tend to I could see that For me most lit like when I started this player may play. It was just like my reaction was just like this dude is lit and that's going to be audited and for me. It was the most let because even in the season where we were two and fourteen losing games and stuff like this the acrobatic betty catches it would just make were just like God roughing. It was just like crazy. So for me mostly Went to take from me all right IT SORTA next one is team. MVP and then since you went. I less I'll go this time. And then you can go. You know once they NBC for last or you just wanted wanted to roller crank out the big boys right now. I mean we can crank out. We can crack him out. We still got a year rookie of the year so for me up the same reasons that you say for Tyler Board being most lit. That's why I have to make the team every p because he was the most consistent like you said he stepped up whenever we needed to play he always had energy. He was always vocal. And for me. That's what made Tyler Board. Every P he really embodied the the team to be For me This year. I think he stepped up and I think he definitely earned at least a captain status for next season Leeza team. Mvp For me is also going to be viable it. It's just a toddler boy wasn't so lit and he wasn't so like energize and just the way he talks right after the game way just telling people I mean I guess the La- part I could've went with Joe Mix and maybe for my for my Mostly but Cowboys is. I don't know like that that just is now found it Tyler Jersey. He's he's my my. MVP this year. Yes Sir so next. We have the biggest play of the season. Then what were your thoughts on. What was the biggest playoff season you there was? There was a lot of this is this is the weird thing about it right. I have two different Two different psyches that I'm GONNA I'M GONNA go with one of my one of my training to toss is okay. The biggest way that year is from From a cynical view I guess looking at it is like okay. What does the play at saved us to make sure that we were to fourteen? And that we could get Joe Borough and then the fan in me is saying okay. What is the biggest play just like you know like rooting for my team? So my biggest player of the year was shaped by Kevin. Kevin Huber in the game win that went to that went to overtime the in in that same game my fame. My Phantom Vandam player of the year is is eighty dollars in tyler. I for as time expired but if it weren't for Camera Huber Right. I don't think Bangla Fan. Understand honest it. We don't lose that game. We're picking number two in the draft and the restaurants have a brand new coach. Chase young didn't show me that much much in those last four or five games I I would. I would think if I'm the new coach. I WANNA go down with my guy. I will be picking Joe Borough at that point if I had the number one. Pick the risk and people will say well they already drive the Haskins. Yeah Haskell could make a damn good backup as far as I'm concerned if I'm the risking so Kevin Huber shanking thinking that point getting the field position where needed to be so that They could come down and kick the field goal and win the game beat us. Here's my playing a game. I it sounds really that would be and of course the talent I play like just like you know it just blew my mind how they came back and got into that game that that was the craziest easiest crazy season crazy game crazy player. Yeah and I get that game. I think definitely like was a crazy crazy again again with their heads down. CRAZIEST bengals game. You've ever seen yes I'M GONNA say. Yeah Yeah time game though. The risk is overtime game. I remember catching signed on the panthers. I'm sorry governor. The pain has overtime game. You I still remember that you'll remember all right. Okay I know it. I'm sorry for me actually was was the same as I said it's just fan but I'm GonNa go out and just for for material purposes. I'M GONNA go ahead and actually give it to the play that happened. I believe if my memory's correct my memory it's horrible it's wrong it's wrong The play before that where they had to get the line. Were Tyler Board our team. Mvp Oh man. Oh yeah hurt on the play. Yeah and was able to actually get up to the line of scrimmage for them to be able to actually down the ball if he goes down and I can run up games runoff games. Oh God I play. This happened so I'm going to give it to talent. Borders of racking up the the awards this needs to be good man when when you to four team and nobody really did sit like the one guy that really came to play every single game. That was healthy. I mean he's going to be racking America's right some actually we have underutilized. This was an easy. Do you want from me. I'm going with Gary Phillips Do we talked about on the last part cast. He barely played like there were seven games that he barely plated aided and ended up leading the team in interceptions. Now some of that was obviously. He was Injured at one point but still even in those games. He was barely playing so for me. He wins underutilized. Players Award them. Who was your underutilized? The same for me every every week I was just wondering when we come back we come on mentioned into you like we would get into the two week period where he was eligible practice. I remember coming on the podcast and just say right okay. He's practicing going sued. 'em Up 'cause you know like from a corner position. There's so many unanswered questions that we gotta figure out because occur. Patrick is his on. Is that all eyes on him to pop. This all season is big and Gary spillers answered a lot a lot of questions about that position and he gave the Bengals so much leverage and I love Israel. I know a lot of you guys I love it I I still believe in. I think the big plays out for him. in in and that's that's the Bengals Memory banks especially when you pay somebody at amount of money contract but at the same time like I feel like if you look around the league. He's above average and not and a lot of like. If you're GONNA make like a super bowl type you need plenty. You need a plethora of corners like legit corners not just drafted corners banking. Or they're still gotta gotTA sweat Yeah he's he that's my guy when he said he changed. The landscape was the quarterback for the right right so the next or what we have is most improved. And who was your award winner for most improved most improved. I'M GONNA go with man I was Gonna go. Let's go let's go trae hot good I. It's not that I didn't think that he was good before. But I think with the bengals confirm this contract extension and just play on the field. PF numbers back them up the play back to self up. You only allow four pressures like in in the last eight nine games or something like that. Something Crazy Not that many penalties This super solid has some weaknesses in the second level Not The greatest center of all but to jump from a undrafted You know free agent to to this. You know you know that that that that would definitely get my most improve. Okay well it seems like great minds think alike but I'm gonNA veer off and just to throw a fresh name out care. Are you guys listening. I know you guys are listening right now. This is as you guys know high filibuster player. I have literally clown this man for years. I have to eat a piece of humble pie and I have to give most improved. You guys ready to nick vigil new. Oh Nick Vigil I and I'm not saying well Citigroup vigil vigil. I would probably say is the most improved player here that I saw like as soon as you were ready to cut him. Nobody was ready to cut him last year. I didn't even WANNA drought this year this year. Are you ready to cut him. I was ready to get rid of Nick. Vigil haters thing when Nick visuals people will be like. Oh He's the next move tickly and he's just like no no isn't that well tell me where that guy an article there is a bengals article From when I think like Baez ironically gave him the nickname and I think it was like luke vigil and ran Dan with it and it was just like this dude is luke vigil and visual Luke. Physical my takes cannot always be right. So Hey Luke oh I mean yeah the vigil I was. I got like that on our next show coming up just to give you guys a sneak preview. We're GONNA go over. Keep four not keep as far as free agency In vaguely roster in nick vigil is is one of my guys are at the top of the list. That is a hot hot topics so stay tuned for that one all right next biggest loser. uh-huh actually got to so we say which we're going through. I got him back but I I'm GonNa let you had this this one. I'm Ali and I'm going to let you real quick The biggest loser is a guy. Hey there's a good friend of mine actually just went to the club last week And we had a talk about it. Let me stop joking. I did not. I did not go to the club. Eddie I know somebody like you really don't know I made a one-sided near eighty dollars go to the same Bible I will say people were hitting me up and say what what service eighty dollars. This is my biggest loser. And if you guys want to know why just play way. Every single orange is the new black podcast and you'll find out right and I I agree with him Before the purposes of this debate I'm gonNA give it I obviously as well. I'M GONNA give it to billy price. Price is not John Roz really parks is the biggest against. But so if you guys want to join me and my hating billy price you a choice choice as billy price. Because he lost like what's funny is has been priced. Well he's not Michael Jordan and he was like yeah. We should address them. Michael Jordan took his job And then you remember when they were about this it was It was like going that we wanted. It was like yeah you know it was good to give guys reps and You know like for as a backup role and I'm like it doesn't even know he's about to be the backup right. Exactly billy price is. Yeah 'cause you you could argued with the last like you know. People have short term memory. I was looking at like the trade for Joe Flacco a different things like that and in the bore shows me that don't it should be getting a third round. Pick for him based on his last game. So maybe don't comes out the biggest winner if he resets itself and comes out you know and does well for the colts or comes out and plays for the panthers or something like that maybe don't rebounds and becomes the biggest winning having but as of right now He's the biggest loser but it actually made us. The biggest winner would show borough the next award game of the year. Ace who you got. Ah Oh bengals dolphins. I mean we almost kind of like got a sport. It then goes off man. Have you ever had a game live up to its height like that like we hiked. Ah All year like this. Is the some people call it. The Bungle Bowl. Some people call it the tank with on whatever you want to of bone or something It's who got hurt anyone. In that game it lived up to wjm because at the for the most part it was too bad teams playing each other Bengals look like complete trash for three quarters. Dolphins look like trash but it was like it was easy for. They're like that was the only game I feel like the bengals look like they gave up and then all of a sudden we had his craziness of that was my favorite friend too because like I got everybody did a bonus coverage and I did it live from the car and I had a good reaction I posted on my page. You don't know guys my name. Is Emma underscore score who they will. INSTAGRAM ALL ASEM new stripe city on twitter instagram. But that is our that is the game of the year for me to angles into office. I'm I'm Songwriter Charlie. Hurting and I'm musicologists. Nate Sloan where the host of switched on pop podcast about the making and meaning of popular music. Every Week Charlie and I breakdown the the most interesting hits trends artists understand what they're doing what they're saying and why these songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. 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These are the stories that will help us understand what might happen if these proposals get rolled out here here in the next four years. Subscribe to the impact on Apple. PODCAST or your favorite podcast APP to get new episodes now Welcome back to Orange. Is the new black on the PODCASTS. How can we just talked about what we thought was the game of the year but the next a war is rookie at a year? And I'm definitely Eating awesome crawling. This one but for me was Jemaine. Pratt's obviously done a williams. Dan Play this season But outside of I thought a Frat that really it wasn't many workers that really made an impact for me and Jemaine practice. Andy was kind of like a second-half got just really stood out like ever. Since we got rid of Preston Wrestling Brown he really emerged and starting to get some snaps and definitely made his impact. Felt them who is your pick for rookie of the year. Same thing. I mean I've been banging on the table for that was one of my. I had him as my favorite linebacker. There's some other linebackers that I wish we would have got like Bourbon and it's a good list of people but Pratt had as my number four. I thought it was drafted a perfect spot and at the end of the draft. I saw him. I picking a Ronnie and defending as Fabiana Williams. Back to back. I thought that was also like pretty sweet to Jona Williams like you know like that was just a guaranteed pick. Everyone hates Drew sample pick Even if he were to play every single game it's just the value of getting him in the second row now it would have been hard for him to get rookie of the year on his bengals roster with the titans that we have ahead of him he wouldn't have ever had like a a big. How role early on in the Balking Titan was well? I did a video on that thing. I did not like sample take but it it. Just rub more salt in the wounds when became that calf just went off this past weekend and we drafted him before him that this is they think about what we'll be looking at from a AJ green perspective. You will have audience as you know for the low. You have decay metcalf on a rookie contract deal. You could walk over from Ross Asia Green. Yeah you wouldn't have you know you wouldn't have this pressure. 'CAUSE my biggest fear I. I'm sorry sorry. I'm getting a little off topic. He's yes I want Joe Borough right but you know my biggest fear that I keep on waking up every morning thinking this. How imagine imagine them getting Joe Bureau and say Hey Joe girl how you doing nice to meet you man? We're GONNA do some outstanding anything. And then he looks over he says. Well who's the running back. You don't know 'cause so make them probably about to hold out and then Asia Green who who are you. He'll say who's my more we don't know we don't have. Aj Green Green under contract. So it's it's those are the two things that can mess this whole thing up when people want to look at the detriment of first round quarterback or different. You know things like that. It's like not getting into line solidified which I think they'll do all these surprisingly and Not In not nailing down this running back and wide receiver thing but when you miss it became that yeah you could you. Could you walk from Asia Green at this point right right so nick one got looks like four wards left. The next one is offensive player of the year. Then who is your offensive player of the year. I'm going to mix it it up and instead of Tyler Board I'm GonNa go with Joe Mixing. I just feel like his impact in the second half of the season it's just was too great You know he always says at the end of the day as the end of the day. it just you could see what legit running back and do for this offers. I mean He. That's my take. All the numbers will probably suggest tyler boy. I still gotta go Joe Mixon on this one just because I just feel like the impact how you can control troll game ever since we left. London is just change the whole team around. Yeah it was definitely. Don't mix them for me as well. you look at. Yeah well he did after the slow start and just his willingness to will the bengals into games that season at different points and then you also talk about the Patriots game where he just pays off on that that defense. That's pretty pretty. Decently gets to run but he just expose against them And not only that he. He got better from a padlock standpoint and they used to be a weakness in his game kinda improve in that area when he wasn't making plays on the ground yes so tried to make some places air with with Receiving touchdowns and just long receptions and stuff like that Defensive Player of the year ear. I I went with Guy By the name of Carlo Gum that early onus them said we should get rid of but I do still feel like that but for me it's Carlos Dunlap I think uh Joe Berry tweeted this out on On twitter twitter but he showed like the last decade for Carlos done let and this last year was I don't know if it was his highest but it was one of the highs is or if not the highest PF have granted. Don't let us head. I've never seen dunlap in elite status on PF. This is my first year saying that I'm him and for him to start out to see like to sex all the way up and then just going crazy tear in the season with insights. That's for me. It was caused like fans down. I don't think that there was anybody on the defense close even my dino I feel like Carlos Donald Dunlap had they had they had given like in week seventeen for pro votes. I think that follows them. We'll be going to the pro bowl But he could still be alternator. Something raise still go. Br maybe I think so. I think that's a time when when they decided on it was like right during or in the middle of his little run that he went on. That was just crazy. Okay me condensing this as as much as possible. I'M GONNA go with us will although Carlos Dunlap for what I'm looking at in the future. His still does not make sense to me. And the number one thing that you'll see when you look at Carlos Dunlap throughout all of his ten years. Bengals this inconsistency taking plays off. I know remember. I went back and watched the bills games and big Josh Allen play that ultimately still to do and the bills win the game and I'm praising Alfa quarterback place I'll take a look at that play. His walking on that play players were mad after the game. I talked to a couple of players and somebody mentioned that to me like twice and I was let me go so there was a couple of plays where he just. It was taken off early in the season. I don't know what happened to motivate him but yes. He ended up my defensive player of the year. Not Staying too much coming from fourteen if somebody came and offered a high third or a second round Lo whatever. I still say I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it because I think the only the only reason why the only reason why is For being part of this season Carlos was was hurt like once he was out. Oh Him and Carl lost like when those guys were out it was just no pass rush at all like. That's that's what really spurned chase. Young lovers him and banged up like you had zero rush and for me one thing that I may actually go back on. We've talked about Hopkins being the most including. I gave it to nick vigil. I'm my I might dabbling thinking about Sam Hubbard possibly getting superfan hover over in the season. We're eight and a half sex I guess that's already setting so I just I'm GonNa tell you. Okay I just feel like lows and Lawson like when you got those two like I feel like they feed off of each other like Sam Hubbard to like when you had those cats together. It's just like they just feed off of each other so like for me if we were to get rid of. I just don't have faith. Fan like whoever the brings would bring in after after that like who who were gonNA sign like unless they did the smart thing like we did last year what they tried to do last year with getting Shaquille Baird or something like that like I just don't know what they do. Newark played like a cornerstone. That's the strength that your team. which is a defensive line What you're seeing defense? I guess the best way to say because it seems to me like when the defense how to turn it around they kinda thrived off off a decent defense line and it was in my opinion because you know those he we've talked about. You know links. I will say that he took a step back this this season. I can't say the same about lows I at first I was GonNa say and then it was like most just like got. His bag turned up. This last like five or six games was just crazy. I think they spent on another podcast and he was like near the League and cracks for like the last. I AH pressures impresses. The other thing is he wasn't just good against the He wasn't a good against the past he was. He was running against Roy all year all year. He was Gonna get the right right. It's a good conversation. Maybe we have another great debate on like we did on Geno Oh Atkins. If you guys don't know orange is the new black podcast Me As boogie. We talked about this earlier in the season where we went through this debate on keeping Gino. And I'm I'm I'm anti Gino. He's Pro Gino. And I'm and I done that 'cause what I look at is the success window and I think as ultimately to me. I don't want to speak for them. But ultimately he just looks like does that. Like how good is that player. And what does it mean for the history in the in in the impact of the player but I'm I'm really looking at this window by the time they start with. There's no way that Carlos Dunlap is going to be playing. That is believe I just believe and I think you've Kinda come around to this as well. I think Joe Barrow can make this team like better than it was before like. And what's and what's the BISMARCK's wherever you say before William me two thousand fifteen. The benchmark for better with this thing is a playoff win like those. That is the feeling like that's nuts to me right. 'cause technically we control out no borough next year right with this team and not only as talented as twenty fifteen or twenty thirteen but still get a playoff Roy. How are you telling the people that are listening right now? Joe Boroughs GonNa win a playoff game year. One I'm saying I'm saying the end of this. I'm not gonNA guarantee that yet. Gary I don't Wanna I don't WanNa jump out the window but I have seen that this team has discount and I have seen other teams get a boost of what happens like you talk about Josh Allen. Talk about Johnstown was talking about. I mean the Houston Houston. Texans were built by bills. Defense Defense Wish Championship guy. What killed me in a Josh Allen arguments and he will win because that is an example symbol of a defensive team? Like really being the spearhead of winning and Josh Allen Only has two we saw that when he played the bengals he only has to to come up with two touchdown. The Game I use and I'm not a huge. I'm actually probably viewed as Josh Allen. But you gotta commit that country's chance and then I need ninety seven yards. He had on the ground. Like that's the difference. I never got he but I but what I what my point really is. Is that when you bring in a new quarterback that can do a lot of things like I'm not saying that we're going to go to the play offs and win but I wouldn't be surprised if if we got a new quarterback with an already telling team and we ask that team and we make moves enough to improve to the point of winning awhile card game like it's like really think about that. I go to a fourteen to that that yeah I'm really thinking about it. That's a big stretch. It had they won five games. Yeah I'd be I'd yeah you're right as but go to fourteen to awhile car win. It could happen but the chances of that are probably. It's not gonNA happen right. Look what I'm not. I'm not saying that it won't happen. I'm just saying the chances of that happening are so far and few in between it's like ridiculous praying not to me like if we were a team like the Miami Dolphins and we have talent and we had like a bunch of big hose like we only have like. We don't have anybody going to the pro bowl and we're just a super young thing with no experience. Then yeah I'd be like Nah like that's not happening but but but but look at the dolphins though is plenty you pointed that out. They just manufacturers five wins with that team right and they got all those draft picks even if they just came in and got to. Unless let's go to was healthy he went. Yeah you could sell me on a on a playoff it in like off the gate. Because they were able to take that same roster plays is that hard it manufactured five ws they hail. You could do that with the logistics about this is what I'm GonNa say. We got to win right but we had been losses. Oh one score or less and Joe Vero is there. That's never win. That's ninety seven you can make the Pi. You're only look as though you're only looking at their pro bank. I'm looking realistic perspective. They're not real. That's how many rookies can Steph van with a thousand thousand thousand yard wide receiver Tyler. Boy There's plenty of situations where quarterback don't seven at one other rookie cornerback. That's that's been to a first round tackling Jona Williams from last year. That didn't play this year. But we'll be there lecture one Well Rookie Stephan suicide situation. Where you have a Joe mixing that you can lean on top five running back in the NFL? What rookie quarterback lesson to Innovative Tomato coaching? Zack Taylor who's a young offense of mine. That has molded different. quarterbacks like Jared Goff has worked under sound McVeigh like. That's that's a really really good situation to come into. And we were talking about him as they green comes back. John Wall like all these guys and say air. Yea Tally ways that we get into the free weights that we get to this free agent. Show that we're going to do in a couple of days and I'll show you exactly exactly why because order. This is the scenario to everybody was going through last year. It's like you got this perfect formula and we know I I think I'm GonNa think positive or anything like that all these people that you're saying Joe Mixon is about to do a holdout that that happened. So that's first and foremost so you're making us us the bengals signing this guy a being there which I think they will do but all of these different ships have to fall in the place that you want during the fall for that to happen or was just bragging people about the talent of not to me. 'cause we we talk about that you're doing is ready ready to go. My first original fun is this. What is the difference between the two thousand eleven coats and the two thousand twelve close? Just answer that okay. What about one fourteen? They went through and fourteen the yearbook. They kept literally the same roster they might even have gotten rid of the white fringe. I think the white frame might have been going right. They went eleven and five and went to the wildcard the next year just because they had a different quarterback like quarterback order back to me in this league can change your team in my. I'm not saying that he's going to be Andrew lucked. But I'm saying like you. You had to write quarterback in those games like the bengals were in this year and that's the other day you want to games. But they were all those good. Okay only a handful of games that they weren't in and we all know what the X. Factor was when we play Common Murray. What was the X.? Factor quarterback we play any of these things that we lost Josh Allen as much as we want to talk about about Jon Allen Planning on like all of our quarterbacks this is the point right that I I'm trying to tell you you're only looking at it with Bengals binders and disregard. I believe in Joe Bureau just as much as you do. Everyone knows I'm a borough baby maybe to hand to hand like I. That's my guy I feel like that's the future. We're not disputing that. I'm not disputing any talent. Anything that's just in my thing. You is that what you're looking at it like this. You know Auburn on seventeen or the teams are like. Let's take the bills you know. How many games that they had that were closed? They ended up on the on the winning side. Whatever and some of them they're going to lose aside? You took the seven games that we were closer and say yes. We win all of those games. So that's that's that's why I'm saying you're putting bengals blinders on that in the seven games that were super close. That's not seven W that's split. Let's split it by having Joe Borough. That's being realistic. You you say yeah. We went for those and lose three of those. Now you're six and ten. That's what I'm saying. But and and aside from that. The colts Comparison that you gave. That's a better better run franchise at that moment. Better coaches at that moment than what we currently have in. They were scared I it. You're you're not that during the bengals about the turnover probably about fifty percent of the starting roster people. That's your name. And like William Jackson the third he could go into the trade bloc is like throughout this whole post-season you live super disinterested. He went on early. They put drake opinion on early. There is a lot of question marks there. That's your bacon on that. I believe in in a lot of these guys there. There's there's something to be said about Williams accident going on an hour early not really looking at good for a lot of these games looking pretty pretty good for a good amount of them in this interesting players that didn't play above and beyond is Williams. Actually what we thought he was like is Joe Mixing going to sign. Are The BENGALS GONNA pony up the money for it. 'cause it's hold out for him he's going into his fourth year. This old outside for running back the BAGELS are smart. They'll they'll pay him but they might look at the Alaska but running back to say no. We're not GONNA pay him. You know I'm worried about. What is the hotel do? What did you do for? Melvin Gordon like Melvin Gordon. What into for any Elliott Elliott? What did you do for the? I mean. They got paid. But I mean that's the cowboys the cowboys the Joe you think a guy named Joe Money Mixing you think I mean it's Sorta having ever-lower mixing this is my thing yummy passionate about playing football. Don't make them on the sideline do like wait for. You might not play football like when you look at missing body football like you guys. If you're listening to this right now I want shot at Google with Joe. Mixon was in a room with Melvin. Gordon Ezekiel Elliott and that hold our conversation was there and they were playing xbox Google that now if you're listening to it then you come back on this podcast and you tell me what Joe Mixing about they do. I mean I don't know I feel like that. That's neither here nor there but to me like our support to levy odd thing like how many people ooh Levy. I'm bill like Melvin Garden inside it last year and it didn't work so it was really going out for what eight nine games and then come back anyway like l.. I I don't I don't know I mean he's GonNa in this but I bet you he's going to hold out if the bengals don't come with a contract but I mean what does that do. What leverage does that really give you lane if he's smart? He knows that Mike Brown isn't gonNA play that if this free if his ages tells him some misinformation and says yeah hold out and maybe they'll trade you he's got he's got all messed up. You're holding out so that they can get traded. So it seems like Bill Belichick Hussein and then mixing is one of the best players in the League who Tom Brady sending jerseys to you. See what I'm saying about Mike Brown Brown. I'm here dead the writing on the walls and he hit into a pissing contest with Mike Brown. You're not GONNA win Joe. Mix The the Joe Mix and know that I think anybody that knows the bengals node. You know that like there's no way they're going to sit up there and be like yeah Bro. Hold out because you know the same harp on the Carson Palmer can happen to you only the Carson Palmer was even traded because you Jackson had a relationship with Mike Brown if it was up to Mike Brown Mike with Carson Palmer retire and just sit there and have a time test item to be like. You're not gonNa tell me what to do with my team. You look at any situation where a player has came about Mike Brown and has not ended ended. Well in in my opinion from what I've seen okay wins like today that you guys are listening to this whatever. y'All remember a lot of people say that I predict some things. Write this down. Joe Mixing will hold out. Don't care what you think he might end up coming he might end up playing. He might just do it. Just because Asian seven do you just pay attention to the interviews. Pay attention to the writing on the wall. He's going hard as he can. At the end of the season gets a thousand yards bills up his resume. Those crazy at the end of the thing. Those has exit interview. That says I WANNA be a Bagel for life. The ball's in their court saying that over and over in his exit interviews on his last days as a Paul Brown stadium. He's telling them right then and there. I need to give me this contract because I'm not playing on my fourth year. My rookie do. That's that's that's all that is news and if they don't play ball which we will agree they probably won't play ball. Joe Mixing is looking at. He could sit there. And do the Melvin Gordon or he maybe somebody like the Pacers give him an offer they might refuse. Maybe the bengals say you know what we don't value running back at that level which I don't either And they and they make the trade so your banking on a lot of stuff. That's like Oh man I'm telling you right now. Don't miss out and uh-huh if he plays we were that might happen but still going to hold them and if I were better mayor right now joe mixing for the Bengals next season whether he hose out or not. He's going to beat it. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah nothing but this is my soon not only. Did the coast do it with a quarterback. Change that she did it to did. She did it in twenty four hours. They went to fourteen or twenty twelve. They went they went eleven and five. I'm not even saying that Bingo. Eleven and five don't even. I don't think that I nine nine seven. I think they can do with the new quarterback given the talent they have now. That's the only reason I say that. Now we were team. Like I don't know the Carolina Panthers answers where it's like. Oh you got real like the running back there and like I can't really name your but what you're unreleased respected though you're saying that from a bank pays it is gonNa tell you more is better than solid board a pay rate. I'm just GONNA win. Analyst at the Bengals have Italian roster like I live in the summertime and be like well. That's a great place to go because their roster is in bed they don't they only need need a few pieces like they're not they're not seeing has a gangly holds. Yeah I disagree. I think they do go. How's that I feel like every position is a whole on this team? But that's not to say that they're they're like I. I Agree I. The talent is there and I love this squad. But if you're comparing it team the team yeah they might have a better roster than the panthers but but how much like the corners like Bradbury about. It'd be a free agent. I'd rather have him. Drake capacity you know like that's one of the free agents that I've outlined coming up this season. Most if you're looking at the running back position that's a better anyway that you could go through each position and say there's a lot of two but because we're bengals fans as we're looking directly at the players that we a little bit more intimately than other. I think these more is better than any wide receiver on our offer. But I think if you put somebody like like salad bar anywhere you Joe mixon anywhere. He's GonNa Talk. Hey John Russell where he might be better like I I want. This is what I want. Ross on the teeth I just WanNa see that. I just WanNa see that just for like video game purposes. I just WANNA see John. Ross on achieve Nicole Har I mean Nicole Hartman tyreek Hill and John. Ross the fastest three guys in the League all right. Yeah so I mean for me. It's not that I think that the bengals are like one of the most talented teams in the NFL. I just feel like they have. They have stuff they're like he's like another example. The charges right. I went five and eleven and got a new quarterback. They're like they will be a much better team. Like even the titans you just saw him. Suissa Salaya Senate. He'll probably he's had a solid team. They've always had decent players around there. They just they had a right because They just had a quarterback and to me like when you get the right quarterbacking there it can. It can do for your team now with the Eric kicking up and all of that. Don't get me wrong. I don't see it really like doing much for us but I don't know I just don't think it's too far fetched to be like if the bengals get better quarterback and Joe Boroughs goes off and has like Dak Prescott rookie year. which isn't an amazing hazing? Just throwing two interceptions throughout the year. I think the bengals would easily make the playoffs. I did that. I think they can make the playoffs. I I think I say the bengals are two years away from making the playoffs and I think the main reason is because a lot of these different things that we're just getting average play from the defense line office line. We're just getting average play if that guy. Can you bet especially off the line. And we're talking about a rookie quarterback. I think he's phenomenal. Yeah I think he's going to be a candidate for rookie of the year. I just think they're two years away and that's why Carlos Dunlap Atkins that's how we ended up in. If you guys are listening to what is this. This is how we ended up thing. We're GONNA circle this things back and get to our next award in the Goddamn show but at the end of the the the reason we got. Because I'm thinking about the Windows Success Joe Mixing to me falls in that window. I think he should be there moving forward Carlos Day two years from now Geno Atkins two years from now. I think I wrote a dice and take a second round. Pick their around picks for either one of them way. Now that's just me personally and it may not even paying out but I like the the prospect of a twenty one year old versus a guy that's inconsistent throughout the year. You do much for eight weeks and then turn it off for a week. I just rather that in a in an Asian guy collar or anything in the playoffs rotation absolutely is phenomenal but as a foundational pieces. So I'm working with a thirty two year old or something on when the Asia whatever the foundational piece and I know I'm not GonNa win for two years from now doesn't make sense to me. Yeah Yeah So back to awards come back on the year I'm going with China are come. That's my guy same thing when you say that's how I was going to be back next year. They paid too many people. That are GONNA pay Ethan Carter. They'RE GONNA pay. Hey You they already pay US Alma through sample and probably go get another tight in Yeah I I don't think I was going to beat anymore but I'm I'm still happy for him because that's like one of my favorite players but that is my comeback player of the year In their communities every year I had to get it to you know actions At several years he's been this ten David Christmas where he goes out and he helps those in need People are able to write him and he's able to hear thirty stories and stuff do something special for for individuals so I have to give it to to denounce Akin's for his ten days of Christmas for community service player of ear I'm going to give mine and and I a lot of times. We don't know all the things that are these guys doing everything like eighty dollars foundation. Raise a ton of money like You know you could argue like hey wait. He did with his foundation in in in The different things that they did were phenomenal. Domino's well I'M GONNA go with my guy Dr Quiz the Nar. He started Ebola Sundays and called the dinar different. His representative had reached out to me at some point in the season. I like what they did. They were doing some stuff for some low income housing people actually builder from places for people to live at and I thought it was awesome idea and a of direct results where you actually seem people like get shelter over their head But if you guys get a chance it's called Denard different. I'm he has a couple a couple of different events. They had a bowling event where you could bowl with bengals of players last week I'm not incensio so I wasn't there but every time he did you know did somehow always I got a chance to check it out like first hand just because they kind of semi emails and stuff like that so I guess they just really stuck out to me but tons Johnson was yield Bernard. There's so many guys that do some really good stuff. You're talking about Dunlap. He does a anti bullying campaign. That to this day is like I've talked to a parrot heard that message me on instagram and told me that man that impacted her child so much so he's got a phenomenal stuff. Yeah and I don't think that Eh you know they're this war this war and go to one person they can go to any BINGO. That's willing to really help out in the community and make a difference like Andy. Dalton Tino Dunlap John Lab Dr Quiz. Anybody that's making a difference with that money because they don't necessarily have to all right so with that said that is our first annual wars is the new black award show We got off topic somewhat talking about teams and Yeah I know but that's good. That's good podcasting right there and these people are GonNa love you for that and they want your feedback on twitter hit my ace of up in New Straits city. Hit me up as ZIM. Who they on twitter if you wanted to comment and talk about it? We're going to link from the show but our next show is going it'll be a doozy. Ace is already looking into this stuff. I'm looking into it. We're GONNA LOOK ED people Staying on the team people going out on my show. Ace what is going to be a fifty percent Roster turnover for as far as starters. Go we're gonNA talk about Free agents that we WANNA keep for like Brandon Wilson's Josh to Kyle Brandon Wilson. Trayvon Henderson What do we do drinker? Patrick I also started looking at cornerbacks I wanted to know you guys want Byron. Our Jones from the cowboys Roy from Texas. There's so many different things I want you guys to also look at teams that are in the playoffs and they're freezing because we weren't winning pedigree players that we're finding we're going to be looking at realistic situation and I can't wait to talk about free agency With the same which I think they will be really I'm not gonNA say really active more active than what they have been. So that's something that's another guarantee them to Coming up this year that they they are going to do a little bit more activity in free agency this all. I've been on my in the building so I'm excited about it. Yes Sir and we are out who they who they.

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Times Critics Talk About Their Year-End Lists

The Book Review

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Times Critics Talk About Their Year-End Lists

"This week on the podcast special edition with our critics. Dwight Garner Jennifer Celaya Salaya as they talk about what it means to be a best book and how they compiled their respective top ten lists twenty nineteen plus. We'll talk about what we the and the wider world are reading this book review podcast from the New York Times. I'm Pamela Paul. It's the end of the year. And so it's time and our three critics. Dwight Garner Parl paralegal and Jennifer Salah have come up with their ten best books of Twenty nineteen. They join us now to talk about those books a little bit about the process and the difficulty of coming up with like these Dwight giancarl. Thanks for being here Nathan. How natural is this process? I mean is this something that you're thinking of from the very beginning of the year when you're choosing your books or is this like Oh my God it's November. We need to think about it for me. It's the latter I mean I I I feel like I was surprised again. Even though he shouldn't have been surprised that all of a sudden we were putting together our lists. I think I'm always thinking about got it. I am always even just like weighing one book against the other ones that I've read does naturally just before you start flinging around attitudes is it. Is it essential all is it. You know arresting rested more or less. I think I think for me. I'm always I'm always going through. But then the real sort of thinking in sifting does sneak up on me and suddenly. It's like I don't know inside some years you know it's like I can only choose ten. Some cheers you're like. How can I stretch ten? Does that play in to your choices. What I'm thinking and not as does it prevent you from or slow you from reviewing something really dreadful because you think well? There's no way that this is the contender. No An and I think it's just the luck of being able to review both Shawna's I've got to review enough books. I much more curious to hear from you John. As the nonfiction critic have not narrows bridge. It's a bit more particular. Your your lane. Yeah no I'll I'll admit that I- internally maybe sometimes externally complain about about having to make the list each year but I do feel like when it comes to the nonfiction books. Yeah there are just certain books that we should review that I should review and so I do it. And then that inevitably takes up a space among the fifty summer sixty some books that will review in a year. So I think that that's partly why I don't think about it during the year and then I just let it sneak up on me and November one thing that I noticed. Yes when I look at your list sometimes I think Oh. I'm surprised this is on here. I didn't think at the time that Parlor Twitter Jen like this book as much and I'm curious if over over the course of time your view of books might change our has. You're saying Parl years are slim pickings. Is that come the end of the year. You think well that wasn't so bad. Compared with what else is out there. This is looking better now. Things sneak up on you. You know it's funny you. You read a book early in the year and you think well maybe this isn't so superb and that as the year goes on the book and a sticks with you and you realize this was far better than I thought pieces. I love to read in general in critics. Go back over the reviews for year even a decade and talk about the things maybe they over praised crazed or under praised. Because as we all know you know works of our change as we look back at them we all know what it's like buying a new record. You buy an album and then you really dislike the first ten times as you play it in. Its the eleventh time where clicks and sometimes mentally that works with the book even on a second reading. Do you think about what might make your list from the beginning of the year. Anyway I do. I remember this April having the stretch. Why reviewed three of the best books I've read in a longtime right in a row to spam Bam? One of them was Susan Choice. Trust exercises distrust exercise and the other was the old drift by non Walis repel. And I'm forgetting the other one. I think it was the new Sally Rooney Novel Normal People and there was something else and I remember born holy cow like this is the best month I've had a critic in terms of just finding things that blew me away on the one hand you love that and the other hand you critical. I'm glad that the year simmered down or no not glad you're did similar was harder to find great things after that for me anyway and all three of those books looks made your list as well as two books that were on the book review. Editor's list the top ten last night boat to Tanger- and the Yellow House Dwight you also review poetry throughout the year. Do you think to yourself. I have got to have at least one book of poetry on my list. You don't but I like to. I mean I read a lot of poetry and it's hard to find the right book review of poem so few slots I feel are open to meet review poetry that I tend to wait until a poet has collected the book of verse out or a selected book that enables you to look at a whole career rather than just doing book but this year this crazy book by this poet. Chelsea minutes in the book is called. Baby I I don't care if it's in a way it's a stunt book it's sort of you know blackly funny poems. Read dark poems that take their the take the subject matter from old Hollywood movies movies and it's free book and it's unusual and I went back and read earlier stuff and I just realized this is a major talent. Who's doing a weird thing with this book? And it's a good book. I've been giving it to a Lotta people because it's a book that it's easy of access like give it to someone. Read a lot of poetry in. They can get it in find it quite charming and smart. But she's very deft. Theft is a poet and there are many layers to all sorts of readers. I find our charms in awed by her talent. What's your process like each of you when you are coming coming up with your list Jen? Well we each have a page on the Times website where it lists everything that we've written and so I look got all the books that I reviewed over the past year and you know there are some obvious ones that jump out at me in terms of being included on the list like which twins this year did you think. I just know that's going to be on there. I thought the Chernobyl book by Adam Higginbotham. I thought was fantastic and it was something that you know. I still haven't seen this. Hbo Hbo Series that. Everybody talks about but I feel like in terms of the book itself. I learned so much in the way that it was written in the way that it clarified certain scientific aspects specs of the meltdown. This midnight midnight interminable exactly and so that was a book that you know. I kept thinking about over the past year. Another book was how to hide an empire by Daniel Miroir Dwight with talking about having a period in the earlier part of the year. Where just is there was one book after another? That was just fantastic and that was another book where I had read a lot of books that were about the notion of the American Empire and critiques of American Empire. But this was a book that actually looks at actual territories the Philippines Puerto Rico Guam. You know all these places that that are sort of. On the periphery I think of the American mainland imagination. I guess when they think of what empire means and so that was another one and you know the Caroline for Shea Book about her time and El Salvador. You know quite stunning. That's sort of the process that I go through where there are certain books. What's that jump out at me? How about you parl? What's your method? It's so scientific research I keep I keep all the books I review. I've I have a bookshelf for them. And I have the order so I just look at them and stare up at them hopelessly but I also do keep like a running list of of about meteorology check and I'll be like okay. What's been in sort of spectacular with my thinking of and then of course but I think that that point that you raise an android did to talking about that book of poetry? Is that in the last couple of weeks of the of the monthly monthly sort of thing like what is stuck with me. What is nagged at me? You know that the books that you admire but you're this book had a power because we do with these books and they changed with time and they changed with looking looking at. What else is out there? They change if I'm honest about the conversation. That's happened around them. Sometimes I do feel like I look differently if I feel like it's been misunderstood. It hasn't been appreciated. Appreciate it enough or looking at the other books year and seeing the other reviews feeling defensive on its behalf and saying how could you miss. This is the one that did something thing different Parl. Two of your best books were more than a thousand pages. I know I like big books. I do I do Docs Newbery Award by Lucy. UC L. men and anniversaries by Johnson. That one how long seventeen hundred pages. I actually had to go to the doctor after that because I I hi developed like bad ice during they were just twitching. I'd like five hundred pages a day insane but the book is so good. I mean just. Don't read it like that. Read it like twenty five pages a day. That's both those books are actually great books to have by your bed over the course of a year. Absolutely because they're about slowly Lee narrating a life and in the case both these books about the life of these really really incredibly scarily intelligent observant women and and them reading the news news and processing the news and thinking about their children thinking about history. As it's happening. I was so impressed that they cross is hold me in that way given that like you know. Time is slow in these books and they're thick with detail and they are immense. Let's talk about anniversaries for a minute because they don't think we talked about that on the podcast ducks. newburyport was of course a finalist quest for the Booker Prize and it won the Goldsmith Prize and was famously slightly more than one sentence long. Anniversaries anniversaries is a book about a woman who leaves Germany. I think I'm I'm forgetting when she leaves but she arrives in in New York in the sixties with her daughter and it's a book about the New York Times she becomes obsessed with the newspaper and with every day she sort of. It's in the form of like journals every day discusses. What's what's in the newspaper and what's happening and so it's you know El Salvador wards protests? And then she also just registers this new place that she's living so it's about New York. It's about blight. It's about her. Very funny and precocious daughters Sorta like wandering up and down the city. It's a book about dislocation and exile and trying to find home particularly a new place. It's also sort of seething and and turbulent and then there are also these mad cap things that happen so there are kidnapping attempts. It's just it's both very very prosaic and has his moments of drama and thriller esque aspects. But you don't read it for that you read it for her sensibility not read it to watch this woman reading the newspaper and being credibly wry about power. She is so funny. And it's a great tonic. Right now I think as we're all addicted to the news and in the cycle to have somebody like her to be your interlocutor and just to look across history and look at her and just be like with things always so when each of us putting together your list do you think about it in its totality in other words. Do you think about the ten as a whole and are you including different genres different types of books different kinds of authors or you really really thinking title by title. I'm just going by what I love. The most it's hard to get into trying to pick things to fill different categories. You WanNa hate them about doing this. Pamela every really going back no I hate going back and reading my older views from the year because I missed I ended up wincing. What did I put it that way? Better over there are few reviews I reread so. That's almost good. But most of the time out. And it's a good lesson for critic to go back and read their stuff for year. I often find when I go back can read something. I think who wrote this. I just feel like a disassociation with what you're saying for all your laughing I'm agreeing with Dwight. I kind of just like let me just filled with that lead one more time. I just WANNA write to the editor like just let me get back in that file but no liked white. I don't think about ticking boxes and saying that oh I need a history and I need the novel and I need it does come down to what feels like the best and the most surprising in the freshest would we completely torture you if we said you have to pick one book on this list that sure super very bad. How would be my torture? I'll just say that right now parlors just making the facial expression you went there. What do Glueck we say like it? I mean I could do one book that you've I could not I couldn't I couldn't. It was the first question I want to meet your white. Do you the challenge. Oh totally do it nice. Very I don't know country ham or something email. I'm bill but No they're few books on each of your list that I'd love to just talk a little bit about individually and one of them on yours. Dwight could you talk about the book. Solitary hurry unbroken by four decades solitary confinement my story of transition and hope by Albert Fox and Leslie George. What amazing book I mean I just it just riveting our would fox was sent to Angola you know the famous prison farm in Louisiana? He was quite young. Spent forty years essentially in solitary. And you know he can write. It has a natural voice and I am sure that his ghost rider his Co. writer was helpful. But it's not the kind of voice you can fake it. Made a ghostwriter. Did Not write this book in these perceptions. He's an intense. You being would fox is not at all shy about talking. About what a troubled kid who was when he was not a good kid when he was young he really enjoyed is the same view what life was going to give him. He was going to take any heard a lot of people but he did not commit crimes. That would sentence someone to forty years in Angola and one of the joys as a reading. This book is watching him teach himself about life in about literature and about the law and he becomes a better person and he ends up helping teen people with their own cases and it's sort of watching late trip transform in this case he's lucky he he wasn't killed but many times over and he's just extraordinary being. I'm glad to see him on torn off of this book and I would love to catch up with him somewhere somewhere. It's interesting. We had a similar conversation about. What did he write versus the CO author because the editor who handled that book here are similarly felt like this him? This is him. It's not the it's not about the code writer and there's this question of doesn't as told to Boker goose drain in Buck Merida's spot on a ten best list. And but she's also felt that as you say that the book has to be mostly him it takes nothing away. Hey from from the from the other writer who clearly very talented. But there's a level of perception about what it's like to be in prison in the details. The exact details that he clearly has an incredible memory because just the details are always there in a way. That's what makes a great memoir. Come to life. What a great anything come to life needs to Scott over and over again Jan.? There's a few books that I wanted wanted to ask you to about that. Are On your list one. You reviewed quite recently black radical the life and times of William Monroe Trotter By Kerry greenidge. This is a biography of trotter. It's the first one I think in. WanNa say forty or fifty years. You know he's somebody who would show show up in the biography of other people. I think I mentioned my review. He would show up in the biographies about Booker. T. Washington and W E B D Boys. He would also so shopping. The biographies of Woodrow Wilson. He was a newspaper editor of this Boston based Black newspaper called the Guardian during during the time of Wilson's presidency when Wilson actually actively segregated the Federal Civil Service Trotter led a delegation of other African Americans to come in talked to Wilson and to try to convince him to perverse his policies. Which Wilson eventually didn't do and so what this book does is it sets up this interesting conversation story about the role of radicalism at a time when Booker T. Washington was considered sittard? A representative for African Americans in the United States and Washington was very conservative. Trotter was somebody who was very radical. I mean he even at some point thought that two boys was too much of a centrist and quite says about detailed. There's a lot of detail in this book and it's just you know a really interesting look at a life life that I think people especially right now would want to know more about when you're coming up with these lists. Do you think sometimes could just this book really. I didn't get the attention that it deserved. I WanNa make sure that this book gets kind of notice and claim and readership that it ought to I. I don't know if that's an overriding concern. Do feel like there are some times. There are books where they are something that I would wanna put on the list and then it is nice. Ah to think about the fact that Oh this book that you know. Maybe didn't get the kind of attention that I think it deserved at the time and then it does so. That's sort sort of a nice thing but I don't know if that's like an overriding concern. I don't know about you yeah. I'm very similar very similar but I think also. I don't think people just like books. I think when you like books you become come partisans for that book and I think especially if you've given something like a favorable review and he liked it you admired it and you kind of see in the world and you see getting lost you know it does sort of at least for me at when making this it brings it back to sort of say. Let's give one more plugged. This incredibly deserving perhaps overlooked. Yeah but that's not the. It's not the driving impulse. John One of the books that I was really interested to see on your list because it is what we're calling now. A trump book. Oh Oh and there's been so many of them and not all of them have been great but one is on your list and I remember when you review the spoke American carnage inch by Tim. Alberta your review is so persuasive and I thought personally I'm not inclined to read that many more of these books but you had a real real strong argument for this book. Can you tell us why. It's a trump book. That's not a trump book. which is I think something I? I've said several times. And you know what he does is he really provides this history. I guess to what is going on now. History that's looking at what's going on within the Republican establishment which I feel like if you look at everything that's happening now with the in impeachment process and the impeachment hearings. It really is a question of what has happened to the Republican. We can party because I mean trump trump is trump right. He's always been trump. I mean I think that's sort of the interesting question where somebody who previously was considered practically persona non grata among Republicans has now been actively embraced by them. I mean somebody like Lindsey NC Graham who was an ally of John McCain was extremely critical of trump before he was standard bearer of the Republican Party. So what is the answer. Yes sir I mean. Is it practical opportunism. Is it pandering to the voters. Is it a question of money or is this a genuine. Then just say to explain well so you know. Bertha's book covers about a decade or a decade can and half of American history in it. And you know He. He comes to the conclusion. That opportunism is a big part of it. I mean one of the things he says is that if you look at what was going on with the Republicans before there was an attempt at least among a certain subset of establishment. Republicans surreally widen their outreach. That they didn't want to necessarily just be the party of older white. Americans because of demographic change if the democracy is functioning properly and there's enough democratic change. You can't necessarily be only the party. That's representing the interests of a shrinking demographic and so what Alberta found when he was talking to people was that you know there was there's another faction of the party that essentially doubled down and it wasn't just you know trump really sort of was the person who sees the opportunity and the most flagrant way. Okay but you know if you look at the tea party as a reaction in part to Obama's presidency like backlash if you look at the Freedom Caucus I mean this you know. This is a group of Republicans that felt when existential threat from the fact that to function properly and democracy that they would have to reach out to people that they didn't necessarily want to reach out to so I think he does see it as a way that they realized. Oh wait a second. This person trump is in touch with our base in a way that a lot of establishment Republicans who were busy talking about things that would benefit. Maybe the more economically elite members. The party that they weren't in touch with what a core group of the base actually wanted which was a version of white identity politics which is part of the story in this book Doc. It's interesting because you're talking about this book very much in terms of the argument in the analysis that he does but it's mostly reporting. Say say he he. He's not he's not an opinion writer he's a reporter. He talks to a lot of the people in the Party and he does provide a view. That's it's not just you know. I'm really distilling. Probably like six hundred pages into a through line that I detected but you know he is talking about the different factions because because he and I think the subtitle. There's the word civil wars somewhere in the subtitle on the front lines of the Republican civil war and the rise of president trump right. So he's looking looking at the way in which the party itself is is coming apart and so as sort of Alaska's attempt to survive they're sort of all lining up behind the one figure bigger they know commands even if it's the minority vote and the American population it's it's sort of a base core vote of support Alberta Is Comes from the right. Himself correspondent for National Review before political and got people to really talk. Yes he did well now is a moment lament for all three of you. If there is a book that you particularly want to talk about give it one more chance at getting some notice. What Book Dwight wait on your list and you WANNA mention? Oh that's brutal because most of the books on my list I've gotten a fair amount of attention elsewhere. Remark is Favor critic reminding he. Does this thing called the real life. Rock top ten which is a column commenting cultural matters which he's done for twenty five years now it's moved around for publication publication's or former village voice and he wrote this week about Nelson's novel Doc Szalasi and he found the book appalling and that interests me. Because there's nothing more interesting raptly disagrees with you about something and zinc's novel doc solidly about. It's very complicated. About two generations of a family sort of eights hipsters and Brooklyn. They try to start a band. Their best friend dies drug overdose and the book becomes about their daughter who goes on to work in politics but I find thanks very very Odd Very strange very cerebal in a bit. What's the word for almost sour voice? I find very appealing I. I found that her book is I wrote him. Reviewed is sort of through Dr Dart right into my mind. I was very impressed by the book falls apart a bit in the second half and there are some things that sink doesn't do well but what she does well l.. She does so well that in many respects. That's my book of the year. Parle I think for me it would be women talking by Miriam Caves. Which is a book about a Mennonite on an colony in South America and the women wake up in the mornings and they've got frayed rope on their hands and they're sore in their bleeding and it turns out that men from the community been sneaking sneaking in through the windows and sedating the entire household with I think cow tranquilizer and raping these women? It's based on a real story and takes herself grew up in a mennonite colony in Canada Canada. And it's a book that's so powerful so original so strange. I think the people that read it really loved it but it kind of went missing the series kind of didn't really they dig dig. Its hands into the conversation in a way which surprise me given how much the conversation this year was about abuse and trauma and all of this stuff and I I still don't understand why that is because it's also in terms of its form. It's a book almost entirely in dialogue. So the the story is a bunch of these women from the community. Go up into a Hayloft while the men are away away. They've two days to decide what to do. Do they stay and fight. Do they flee. Do they stay in. Forgive and it's really just a group of women in the course of this conversation talking about how do you make a just society what does rehabilitation mean what does punishment mean. What does forgiveness really mean and getting down to the basic essence of this all uneducated women they cannot read they cannot look at a map? They've had no training all of this but the conversation that leads them to these places that is just for meat. Felt really really really thrilling and moving and it just really shook up some of my own premises. How about you? This is exactly the question I I'm loath to answer but I will say there was a book that I reviewed actually another one that reviewed fairly recently by Tante meant. You called the hidden history of Burma which looks at what's been happening especially in the last decade very timely right now. Well this is exactly at. I'm seeing in the newspaper yesterday. That Aung San Suu Chee has has been essentially defending the generals in Burma or Myanmar. I guess depending on how you want to call it and you know. They've been accused of genocide aside by the UN and Gambia has brought a lawsuit against Burma in the International Criminal Court. And so I think the fact that this woman who was seen as a hero for democracy I mean she was really partly and what you get. Is You know a lot of. It was the fact that she was very charismatic. At the time it seemed like a simplistic morality tale of the military junta against this Democratic hero and what has happened since is that she herself has sided with the military that once held her brin house arrest and so what he looks at his. He looks at the context of Burmese history. And he conveys this. It's a very complicated history involving colonialism realism racism ethnic conflict. All of this as well. As sort of the advent of a new kind of capitalism and he weaves together in order to try to create a better understanding understanding for people about what's going on which I think is really invaluable right now and not easy to do and he he does it close. Put the question to you is that you felt what was overlooked that you wished you could plug and bring readers to is it fair to pose to the editor. It's totally fair. But I I my answer. Is that having been involved in the China best books this year would we talked about it earlier on the podcast and I asked everyone to talk about a favorite. That didn't make the list. I felt very lucky. Because my personal favorites it did make the list to felt really strongly about and and and one of them kind of evangelized and and applied late pressure as we will say say to get everyone to agree so I ended up feeling quite satisfied with our list as I do with all of yours. So Jen Dwight Pearl. Oh thank you so much for being here. Thanks thank you bill. And it's the time of year when everyone is traveling or running around getting thoughtful gifts for the people you care about. Think about giving yourself a gift of audible membership. Now is the best time to to do it with a special offer of fifty three percent off your first three months access and unbeatable selection of audiobooks including bestsellers motivation mysteries thrillers. Memoirs Mars and more. 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The evening of January fourteenth at the time center in New York City will be welcoming Sheryl Wudunn and my colleague. Nick Kristoff often talk about their new book tight rope Americans reaching for hope they'll be in conversation with our critic Jennifer Salai. The book is a story about the disintegration of America's workers working class as seen through the eyes of Nick and Cheryl's friends and neighbors to dig deeper into the themes of tight. Rope will also hear from my colleague. Andrew Ross Sorkin watch clips from a new documentary based on the book and enjoy readings from a surprise guest. You can buy tickets at NY TIMES DOT com slash book review live. I hope to see you there joining us now to talk about what we're reading my colleagues Greg. Kohl's Andrew Lavallee and John Williams. Hi Hi guys Pamela. All right let's start with you. Greg what are you reading. I'm reading a biography of thelonious monk. It's by Robin. Dj Kelly came out almost a decade ago. Go and I've I've been meaning to get to it but lately I've been listening to a lot more jazz piano. I I really love jazz and I love Jazz Piano and I listened to on and off but I've I've been in a real streak lately of listening to and so finally. It drove me to this biography. That's been sitting on my shelf. I have to say as I was walking down here to the podcast room. Our former colleague Francis Matteo who works on the sports desk now carrying and he said Greg I love that book. I'm about eighty pages in and I'm loving it to Kelly as a historian historian and an academic and he's written previous books more scholarly about race issues in America and he brings that perspective to this biography of Monkhood Opens With Slavery. Monks grandmother on his mother's side was born just after the emancipation. Proclamation as he says has she was conceived in slavery born freedom and so it it pulls a history of American race relations through the biography. And it's it's a very granular aniela academic type biography a little overwhelming at times but totally great at situating everything in the context thelonious monk is born in nineteen seventeen. He is a piano prodigy from his early days. He's got an amazing ear and amazing. Sense of harmony is classically trained but kinda branches off into the the budding aren be seen playing with orchestras playing with a preacher. As part of the House band end before he essentially invents bebop in the war years and just after and so this book fits into the context of if he was part of the Harlem. The New York jazz scene friends with Bud Powell and really a mentor to a lot of people. It does all that in a way that you know he'll give you three pages on blacks in World War Two and their resistance to the draft and also how the draft boards rejected black black applicants at far greater numbers than white applicants. See read three pages that don't have monk in the middle and then he pulls it back in and tells you how that all relates so. I'm learning a lot about music and more than that. I'm learning a lot more about the scene. It's very impressively done. I have to say the first thing that popped into my head when when you started speaking inside upfront. You really like jazz. was that line in the talented Mr Ripley which I watched with my children last weekend. An older child just in case anyone's concerned where he says you know towards the end Dickie Greenleaf says to Tom Ripley. Do you really like jazz. I really he likes accept. Iran's what are you reading ender. I am reading the factory by Hiroko Yamada. I had picked up this this book recently and then I was even more intrigued after reading Charles Review it is recently translated from Japanese and I just just started so I can't tell you how it ends but it is about this mysterious factory in Japan and follows three workers who are newly hired there one of them. Her job is basically just to feed documents into a paper shredder. All Day every day another person is a proofreader and other personnel studying moss. So it kind of gets into some some of these questions that I think a lot of us have every now and then about our work like what are we doing here. Is this what I'm doing with my life that you never have that. I never have that question. I never But it kind of goes into more Kafka esque direction you know. Their sense of reality starts to slip animals. Start popping up and yeah hilarity ensues. John What are you reading. I'm reading someone who who cited Kafka as an influence transition. I'm reading someone who will have something a bit more about next week in print. I can't say more about it but I'm reading novel by Croatian writer named Dasa dern ditch. That's the closest I can get to properly pronouncing your name. I know how it's pronounced like my mouth. Just can't do it but her last name is d. the R. N. D. I C.. And she died in two thousand eighteen she was in her seventies. And I'm reading. A book called Bella Donna. I think that three or four books have been translated into English. She wrote about a dozen dozen novels and I think many more than that plays in the Guardian Obituary of her and twenty eighteen at said the main theme of her work was the overlooked or deliberately omitted complicity of her native Croatia and the Holocaust. This isn't happy reading. It's funny because last year round holiday time I was reading the early novels of Cormac McCarthy for him and so I have this sort of weird imp of the perverse in me around your holiday darkest stuff I can find. There are two people. I think that she gets compared to save all the lot because she she has some photos here very much about like using historical documents to try to understand the past and and why we behave the way we do and things that happen but unlike say about who who's sort of his novels can feel like they're you know narrated by this historical cloud of just knowing that there is a central character here. This man named Andreas Bon or band. Who is sixty five year? Old old psychologists no longer practicing who sick and looking back on his past and so mixed in with these more from thirty thousand feet historical ruminations you get his crusty crusty and probably eventually. I'm only halfway through. Maybe he has some complicity. I don't know about yet. There's probably darkness in his past that I haven't learned about yet. His voice also drives the book as this nice counterpoint to this stuff but she's very singular writer she's more. I think nodded and darker than say bald. She reminds me a little. Bit of Thomas Bernhard in that sense like you have to really plunged into kind of the darker side of the human experience. But she's a very elegant writer and there's definitely room for dark humor and beautiful ruminations on human existence Johnson and the past and memory and what it means to kind of try to heal and move on with your life and she just seems like someone who maybe is under known here but but I think that's slowly changing which is changing in. I'm doing my best than someone else. Here is GonNa do her best next week and others have chimed in. And it's a shame that she she died a couple of years ago because I do think that her reputation is increasing here and that she definitely seems like the kind of writer who would have been on the Nobel shortlist a lot because their work is so politically engaged and has a lot of depth to it so this is not for everybody everybody but if you do like both say bald and Bernard and Kafka and darker European stuff than I would definitely suggest. Check out peaking of dark and politically engaged. Pamela what are you reading. I finally finished on Farrell's biography of Richard Nixon. So this'll be our last Nixon episode here on the Book Review. podcast at least until perhaps one of you picks this up. Good timing it is good timing and you know there are I think two questions underlying this book at least for me one of them as the kind of eternal question which is headed Richard Nixon. Get that way you know. Or was he always that way and then the other is more of the moment which is as you know what are the parallels with impeachment. We're recording this. On Thursday December nineteenth. It is the morning after. President trump has been impeached by the House representatives. So that feels like a timely question but all address the first one. When I was reading this started reading this I was down in Miami and I was on a panel of Thomas Mallon? Who'd written the novel about Nixon and I mentioned that I hadn't known about the deaths of two of his brothers when he was a child from Turkey loose and he said I think that? That's what's what defines Richard. Nixon explains him. I don't know if it does but one thing that Farrell does in this biography is really he evolves from Carter. WHO's naturally naturally sympathetic person? He was born into poverty. He went to school with no shoes on two of his three brothers died he we had parents who were not easy parents and he was really smart but didn't have opportunities. He could have gone to Harvard or Yale. He had to go to a tiny local community college. And I think that what happened. It's almost like a weird variation on the picture of Dorian Gray it's like if you take the like most caricatured political cartoon image of Nixon. It's like he became not you know. He fulfilled the worst expectations that everyone else had of him. It's you you could see that there was a there were points at which he could have gone down either path. You know early on Martin Luther King Junior was huge in mirer of his said. I'm convinced Vince that there isn't a racist bone in Richard Nixon's body. And you could see that he could have gone kind of in many different directions and he basically when on the worst most popular according to everyone's worst expectations. It's almost like there was a contrarian impulsive him owing I think probably in part heart his insecurity and other factors. I'm not a psychologist but that he was goaded by people's courtesy `sms almost into a kind of like well allows show you you think that's bad it. He did have a big chip on his shoulder from his sort of feeling like you had to strive in a way that other people didn't and other things came easily to other people more privileges uh-huh yeah now he had door Jack Kennedy Reason. I mean they actually were good friends at first until the nineteen sixty campaign and then the other. The question is about impeachment. They're just a bunch of really intriguing little parallels in here both in terms of the times and the specific so talking talking about a period of real political polarization Daniel Patrick Moynihan who was of course an early adviser to Nixon in the presidency says at one point do not doubt that. There's a struggle going on. In this country of the kind the Germans used to call it couture COMF- The adversary culture which dominates almost all channels of information formation transfer. An opinion has never been stronger and as best as I can tell it has come near to silencing. The representatives of traditional America later on they talk about the media setting up the worst possible interpretation of Nixon an him delivering on that the three major television networks planned gavel to gavel coverage verge the Watergate Committee hearings and PBS followed up with taped. Primetime shows at night Nixon beating journalists. Dan Rather was the most prominent example made names for themselves. Watergate had become as writer. David Halberstam put it. The great national detective Thriller Nixon's aides were staggered. If I had to depend for for my information on the Washington Post The New York Times and CBS. I'd hate the son of a bitch to speechwriter. Ray Price told a friend and then a little later in some of this kind of stunning. And I I. I don't know if any play Frost Nixon or the movie or the movie our producer. Pedro nodding his head. He saw it even. If you guys didn't but I urge you to see it anyway. He famously gave these very long interviews to the British broadcaster David Frost in which he was very defensive for a long period of time but eventually started started to talk. He did it for the money he really was out of money. By the end of Watergate with legal fees and everything else and there's a quote from Nixon when the president does it that means that it is not illegal declare. Frost was near Dumbstruck. You know it's interesting to read it at this moment. There are definitely some intriguing parallels I could offer many others but it's I think useful and I think it's why there have been so many stories in the news lately that have been drawing parallels and it seems like the book is very readable. 'cause you it's a big book and you've been making really good progress. I can tell from where you were just flipping to it. Seemed like nine eight. Yeah I mean my big question about that has been you know how I'm very interested in reading more about Nixon but I just didn't know how is obviously well written and sort of repulsive totally moves. This is listeners cannot see this but those in studio will witness. I'm handing my book to John. God John You have confessed on this very podcast that you are a fast reader. I suspect you would read it in a week. I'll talk about it next week. Yes all right. Let's run down the books John You read. I read Bella. Donna by DASA dern Dutch. I read the factory by Hiroko. Yamada I'm reading thelonious monk the life and times of an American original by Robin D G Kelley and and I read John Farrell Richard Nixon. The life all right thanks guys remember. There's more at NY TIMES DOT com slash books and you can always write to us at books NY TIMES DOT Com. I write back not right away but I do. The Book Review. PODCAST is produced by the Greet Pedro Rossato from head. stepper media with a major assist for my colleague John Williams. Thanks for listening for the New York. Times I'm Pamela Paul.

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"Good calls this year sports business and everyday life their rules fertile if it has to do with rules learn all about it on the podcast. Could it calls with me. Your hose deemed landy. Each week will break down the call. Everyone is talking about in take you into the world of sports officiating breath away that hasn't been listen to good cost on apple podcasts on the iheartradio APP. All wherever you listen to podcasts thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. NFS One find your local station Asian for the hurt at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching heard is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox sports radio here. We go one day a very cleveland Monday. This is the heard wherever ever you may be and however you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles Iheartradio Fox sports radio and F S One one hour from now Colin Right Colin wrong one of our better ones of the year plenty of both Michael Vick this hour Trent dilfer next hour joy tater joining me for a million reasons yesterday was so so fun and Zany and nuts and crazy. The whole weekend was all of those things to mind where even start with the browns. LET'S START WITH CLEVELAND CLEVELAND. <hes> you know my thoughts about this. I've said <hes> I said I think Cleveland's GonNa be nine and seven they're going to struggle early. Then they're gonNA win a bunch of games late and they'll be vying vying for a playoff spot that got me major pushback from Baker from Odell from Cleveland fans and a franchise. That's one and sixteen the previous three years against playoff teams. The teams you gotTa beat to get to the playoffs my hot take I think they'll struggle early. New Coach young roster new part but I think it'll be pretty good at the end of the year when they face bad bad teams yesterday was was exactly what Cleveland deserved you ever gone to a party Thanksgiving dinner family gathering and you have all sorts of interesting people you WanNa talk to in here hear from but you can't because the dumbest person at the party is also the loudest. Isn't that the way it works at the bar. The dumb guy is always the loudest. I I know success in his life that has all the answers that's Cleveland their. GM got fired loudest. GM in the league their quarterback had a losing record occurred Baker loudest quarterback in the league their fans. I mean a laughing stock loudest fans in the League. It's the worst thing when you're around interesting people. There's interesting conversations to be had over a glass of wine and a good meal and dumb guy is loud guy and so you drive home with your wife and you're like yeah that was awful the the guy that shouldn't have been talking did all the talking and you got a deserved there was two quarterbacks in the NFL yesterday day by the way that embarrass themselves not every quarterback had good games but Baker Mayfield Jameis Winston and at the same guy talent not denying the talent but there's things I like about both but in college both showed really really regrettable judgment and as I've said many times in my life in many times on this show. You are at nineteen what you were at nine. You just have facial hair. If you're a guy you shave now you have a girlfriend now you don't change and I think bakers going to struggle and have days like yesterday is it is entire career bad judgment by the way this Cleveland teen the receivers wearing a three hundred fifty thousand dollar watch how lit but this team made a move and everybody was falling in love with the OB J. move and the Olivier Vernon move and the Sheldon Sheldon Richardson move. This team made a move in March that I hated all my sources in the league hated they have a battle line and they traded away their second best offensive lineman. Va Vernon it made the papers and it was splashy but this league is about details and it was a terrible move and Baker yesterday was under constant Duran and bakers not that athletic and he's not very big and the good teams like the chargers that faced him last year figured him out bullrushes hands up up. He's small your defense events or faster than him. He's not a great athlete and this offensive line is bad it. It can't over the course of this year become become great k. This problem's not going away now. Do I think Cleveland better and Baker. I'll I'll have great days in jail. have great days and Freddie Kitchens won't completely outcoached and out of sake. Yes yes yes yes yes but this offensive line is the liability and GM allowed us. GM and the League traded away their second offensive linemen on and nobody talked about it just like nobody talked about the stuff that really matters in the NFL like details and not getting penalties and Cleveland yesterday by the way people say well Cleveland. Oh struggles in week one. He's never this bad eighteen penalties. That's a worse since nineteen fifty one lost by thirty. Even Cleveland hasn't done that in like twenty years news and by the way there's plenty of teams in this league that are going to get better. I think Cleveland's GonNa Better this year. I think Buffalo's GonNa be better this year. I think San Francisco is going to be better this year here. I think the jets are going to be better this year and I've said that for the last two months but you don't hear bills players and coaches and jets players and coaches and San Francisco players and coach's talking about Super Bowl they got what they deserved. This league will humble you so come into it being being humble and that drop in the embarrassment will not be as severe finally yesterday. Freddie Kitchens finally sounded sounded humble. This should have been nine months ago. We've got a lock locker room full of disappointment run now which we should have breath. That's not the way we want to be represented. We played we lost our disciplined. We lost our composure hoosier but it's one game and we're going to be tested adversity you either. You take adversity new the run together. You're run toward each other or you run away and I think we've got a bunch of guys. Go run toward each other and we're GONNA be fine. Baker three picks pick pick six that was dangerous. Do yourself a favor. All you guys out there in life less successful. You are thinner resume. You don't talk as much later in life pad their resume success. Make some lettuce got some wins. Have a trophy have a ring talk. All you want Cleveland. You had no business ever one time calling yourself dangerous you you were nothing more than interesting and by the way next four weeks four good pass rushes against that Cleveland offensive line. They will be a good team team by about week nine but they got what they deserved. If you're not humble the league will humble you that Segue to this. I'm going to talk about steelers patriots in about ten minutes. Let's talk about the AB to the Patriots. You know how I feel about a B. I think Pittsburgh eventually is going to be fine without him. They're good at finding receivers. Oakland Abe was never gonNA work. It was a bad match my takeaway on ABC and New England. I will tell you but I of course I'm GONNA show you the video. AB finds finds out many people thought he manipulated his way to New England. It was this sinister plan. I don't really buy conspiracy but this video was pretty funny when Ab found out he was a patriot. Ah <music> grow grow all right found out released by the raiders now. Let's talk about New England and Antonio Brown. I'm hearing a lot of this. It's going to be Randy Moss. Oh No. It's going to be a disaster. It's going to be OCHO CINCO. I don't think it's going to be either. I do not think I'll put it. This way is that I tend to believe child. Psychologists psychologists will tell you this your your personality is farm fairly early and you don't move off at much even if you wanted to move off it. ABC's rich he's not moving off. I think this will work for a year or two and that's bill. Belichick wants bill belichick span and ten million dollars and by the way when he leaves he'll get a compensatory draft. Pick this is this is really no risk. This defense for New England is so good if AB acts up out they're going to get to the AFC championship Super Bowl. Oh I don't know because a Kansas City they're going to get to the championship with this defense and Brady and ballot check. They're just GonNa get the Best New England defense I have seen since the Tedy Bruschi days. There's no risk here. We're not paying him anything. Julio Jones a lot of people yesterday. I got a lot of texts from players and GM's and they're like this is bad for the league. It's bad for the league and I might not really the winner this weekend. Weekend was not a be the winner this weekend was Julio Jones who this morning got a sixty four million dollar check direct deposited into his bank account sixty four million. Ab May ten he lost twenty million this weekend not a big winner. He went to a winning organization. Listen my takeaways. This is going to feel like Durell Rivas to the Patriots. I never felt Durell. Rebus was the patriot. DNA but bill needed him in bill had a roster three loved and bill had an offense he loved and he thought I'm not losing a super bowl because I can't make a stop on the defense and I think bill belichick looks at this defense and says I'm. I'm not losing a super bowl because I can't go over the top and just outscore Kansas City. I think some of this is facing Patrick Mahomes and I think ballot check knows this is the best in deepest smartest defense. I've had ever a New England or at least in ten years on not losing a Patrick Mahomes in a shootout because I can't make one more play and I don't think it's a huge risk. It's Durell Rivas. It's mutually beneficial if the player Ab leaves they get a draft pick if he doesn't they keep them for a couple of years. They're keeping him because he's giving you a great production now I do think ABC's he's personality is different than New England personality. He tends to be a little cocky their humble he tends to be public or private but I don't see it as aster and I don't see it as Randy. Moss remember member New England has done this New England dates everybody. They've married one. Tom Brady they. They're tinder not e- harmony they all sorts of personalities Albert Ainsworth Ainsworth and Ocho and Randy Ma they do this whole time small college schools big college. Sometimes they have a Guy Jamie collins he takes them off. THEY TRADE HIM TO CLEVELAND. They get him back and he comes back and and he's great New England gets coaches to come back. Josh mcdaniels players to Comeback Josh Gordon and this is what knowing Linda's new mainland samples all sorts of personalities and relationships coaches leave and come back players come to New England. Josh Gordon make a mistake leave. Come Back Jamie Collins we had him. He kicked us off. He leaves disappears. He comes back. They date their tender all the time. They've had one serious long-term relationship Tom Brady and only because tom play by their rules. Tom Takes a pay cut Thomas Coach -able Tom. Let's Bella check check Yeldham in public. This is what New England does this is not shocking. It's not ruining the league. It's what they do and there's a reason adoption agencies. Take so long with vulnerable kids going into families. They WanNa make sure the family is right and organizations nations win. Super Bowls not players organizations organizations. NBA Players win championships NFL ORGANIZATIONS DO AB is not worthy point Oh BJ's not worth half a point and this organization is amazing and this player tends to be dramatic has moved a lot would make a lot of teams vulnerable vulnerable. Sometimes himself feels vulnerable but it'll work. I it'll work we all date then we marry one. They've made made a decision in New England who their lifelong made is. It's Tom Brady. That's that allows them. All sorts of opportunities go to go on tender and checkout new and fun and this is no big deal. I don't think it ruins the league. The winner this this week was Julio Jones. Ab He wasn't even the biggest winner financially it has position. I think we tend to overreact I think A. B. Can make people uncomfortable who loved the structure texture of the NFL and it makes it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. He's diva sneaks had divas for fifty years felt I've Seen Abia thousand times and it generally works the same way Te'o Ocho A. B. You didn't watch him in college they come into the NFL and after about six years of their first team you're like Oh my God they're all died and then go to a couple of teams and doesn't work out and then they eventually get somewhere te'o he oughta Philadelphia or a New England and it Kinda works for a couple years Randy Moss was like deal and that it worked it and then they kind of go back conventionally in three or four years. Ab Rich and you know kind of dramatic Ab but I I think feels like Durell Rivas Bill Bell. Jack said this his team to good. I'm not losing it because I have one week corner and I think ballot check looks at this defense says not losing the Super Bowl because I can't beat deep Patrick Mahomes I can't stop him and I just need one more big play and they got tyreek and I have a guy that can equal that night and Bella checks rolling the dice nothing. It's smart nothing it'll work out mutually beneficial. That's all relationships right. 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When I had my son my daughter was different but my son is somebody if you went on a long road trip you had to bring some toys? He couldn't just ask my my son to go on a six hour drive in car because he's not a big napper and just say I'd say he's just disruptive. He's disruptive because dad me didn't didn't provide the opportunity or the support system for my son to succeed that was on me not on my seven year old son. You learned that very early that some of your kids will take a nap for five hours in the car. My son's not one of those so it is imperative for me to provide opportunities for for my son not to be bored out of his mind or he could be disruptive that Prescott he just needed some. He needs some toys in the back seat a little bit nothing about this a year ago this is he didn't have Amari Cooper Randall Cobb. He'd never healthy offensive line. Michael Gala was a rookie and he had an old stodgy offensive coordinator and now into the seven and one last eight you giving him some toys here. Now you give us a receiver. That's not a rookie and now Randall Cobb and now Jason Witten and now the alliance healthy and now it's Amari Cooper not all quarterbacks you can just throw into this league hyper speed and not give them any help and say well Carson Wentz was able to Carson wentz is transformationally talented Andrew Luck took garbage and went eleven and five Mitch trubisky needed help Jared Goff needed help Lamar Jackson needed support he needed another wide receiver Dak needed help like listen if you go to college. Do you remember of your first year in college. I was on academic probation. It was so fast I was just not. I it was too much for me. I was having too much fun. I was partying. I was to social ooh wake up and I'm like I've got to one so that's the NFL to all these quarterbacks even the good ones. It's just fast. It's just it just flying at you practices harder the Games are faster. The windows are smaller. It's fast some guys some young kids you. You can take a five hour trip in the car and they put their little. I petted there's listening to music and then some help that's that's not once not mahomes home just a little help and they got him a coordinator who just played in the game who's young and thinks just like back and they got him Michael Gallup and it needed time aimed bake and by the way he was seven one last year in the last eight when he got Amari Cooper a smart responsible veteran they probably have a great locker room relationship and ship so this game is so overwhelming so fast for all these young quarterbacks ninety percent of them. They just need help. They just need time. They need to write coach. Jared Goff needed new offensive. Coach trubisky couldn't work with John Fox. It's better with Matt Nagy. Lamar needed some receivers. He got a couple he looked great. Yesterday the winters in homes or the exception the support system. We always want to blame the quarterback. What is the organization doing to help him 'cause further record even the luck in a homes and went as need help but they can masquerade it because they're all time talent every time the cowboys give back a little little better support? He gets better every single time and the coordinator thing yesterday with back. Kellen Moore of former player clearly is a massive upgrade in being comfortable be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific bringing Michael Vick four time pro bowler thirteen years in the NFL one of the most exciting players in league history a comeback player of the year career rushing yards by a quarterback. You still still hold it over six thousand. I WanNa talk about deck and Callan more and I'm not taking a shot at all old coaches. Vic Fangio for Denver could work but there is something to be said if you're a quarterback and you get a coordinator who just played who was out so tell me about what do you think about Kellen one more and deck. What are those meetings and film sessions like? I think is a positive fit. I think it's an open communication. I think he can relate to Dagon agonize think that can relate to him so you know when you play the quarterback position like Kelly Moore has <hes> in his career is probably sometimes we think about his career in you know. I wish I would have done this better than if you know if I had an opportunity to be put in this position I would have made the most of it and he seat at for that so I think communication is open where they can talk about concepts they can talk about what may work and is nothing better than having a guy where you you can talk to understand you and put you in a position where you know you can be successful. That's what a confidence level comes from. What looked away the yes? You always said that about Andy Reid that any was the first real great offensive teacher right you had so you would have open communication to say and you know I I don't. I don't like this coach. <hes> I'm not comfortable with this and let's give this player you know. Sometimes it's not easy when you have coordinator who has certain things is GonNa work and give it a shot and so you wasting downs you know this is very interesting. Kellen Moore doesn't have a system Kellen Moore as a quarterback and weapons things that he wants to create a system so sometimes the older employees like I've got away. I talked to a buddy of mine who used to be a manager of people he goes. I Love Getting College. Kids leads because I don't have to break any bad habits can teach them all their habits and Kellen Moore didn't have any bad coaching habits. Yeah I mean it's proven that Caroline's a good teacher the way they took advantage of the play action game with Zeke being back on the field and look the chancellor's planning louder cover to Tampa too and just the play action with Zeke was sucking in line back up and he was the tight ends and slot receivers Randall Gallup was given behind a mic back down the middle. I mean simple stuff that works yes and sometimes that's all you need and I think Kelly understands that from being a quarterback that you have to sometimes dumb it down a little bit do the things he's going to be efficient. Put points on the board. Tom Brady has been taken snaps for twenty years for young players. There is value in simplicity because it allows you to be you can play faster right right didn't look like he had to worry too much ball out boom. It was such a quick rhythm offense quick rhythm. He was in a rhythm to protect was great heaven can seek was probably the biggest reason everything worked because you have to pay attention to him. You Got Kupa. You Got Galaxy got caught the game plan for it and I know the New York your giants aren't good personnel wise but still this is the NFL hope I mean guys out there playing hard but they just getting beat and that was a credit system system yesterday that the game plan beat the New York giants the way they should be noted with Lamar Jackson. You said you were concerned that he made himself to vulnerable. Oh last year so they went out. They've been very smart. They drafted two tight ends. They got to they got a running back. They went and got Mark Ingram. They went and drafted to wide receivers so like like you. They're like we like him but running should be a clear fourth option. What did you make of Lamar yesterday? What did you see that you like? Obviously he threw for a zillion zillion yards. It was amazing performance about Lamar. I I didn't expect that but you know when you spend your entire off season working. Oh you passing game working on your accuracy. Spending time with service is doing the things that you supposed to do as a quarterback to make sure that when you step on a field week one you give you're taking everything that you can't. It's show and regardless of the Miami Dolphins <hes> it's still the. NFL still got a game on the road. Yes S. U. On a road is not easy week. One had a ton of reps in preseason and the game plan was just I mean it was it was stunning `Lamada and pull the down and run it too many times help. We don't see any runner highlights we see all passing highlights and you know that's grotesque at the quarterback position so you know obviously these game implant probably changed again the week out but I think the dolphins probably came in expecting something different and they got served nowadays. You never hear about Lamar Dr Jackson in the off season. Every time I heard about him. He was practicing here nothing all this organization done as support him. Get him help. I never see Lamar. Jackson is never distracted. I maybe he's doing commercials showed up in the channels I watch that kid is focused back. His mom hoping sustain focuses where he is all. Let's talk about Baker Mayfield. Here's what I worry about Baker's talented. I'M NOT DENYING THAT CLEVELAND's offensive line is a problem the GM traded away their second best offensive lineman to the giants. I didn't get it. I don't think you trade away elite offensive lineman especially from young quarterbacks and bakers five eleven and a half bakers not Joe FLACCO big. I gotTa tell you I watched that offensive line Michael Baker better get the track shoes on the offensive line will be the reason you win or lose. I mean especially down the stretch early on in the year. You see problems correctable. You can fix awesome but when you trade away guys like the staple the you know the leaders of the office aligned guys who you know maybe a young office Salaya may lean or lean look look up to because of his abilities and and where he stands pro bowl caliber type of player man goes goes a long way it goes a long way as far as those guys Jalen in contracting lines bad ones get worse as the season goes get worse as the season goes on and then you know Oh you have a team opponent that looks at the tape and say okay. They're weak in this area. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA take this guy. We know they can't protect the be gap you know in this type of formation new the game plan for you and things just get worse. I've been there you know we we had a bunch of injuries in two thousand twelve when I was in Philadelphia on the line line on the old line and we just couldn't couldn't we couldn't make up for what we lost and a guy like big mayfield who can't be mobile at times but that's it's not as four to its gala ball allow quickest him its accuracy accuracy and spread the ball around. He needs that if you don't have it this is what you get and then guys like Landry and Beckham you know they're not even asset to the team the point I think about this the six or seven best teams in the AFC all have one thing in common chargers chiefs steelers patriots. All all have pass rushes Houston now. The Houston may not like have a great offensive line line. The Pass Rushes in the AFC are real Tennessee Durell Casey so to me Cleveland's weakness is the strength of the elite teams in the AFC. which is we're going to be? We're going to win one on one battles outside of the Left Guard for Cleveland. They don't have any the elite Lineman on their roster. That's down because it was so much potential. You can't protect game over game over you. Don't go far. You're all right. Let's talk about Antonio Brown. You're in the league long enough fourteen years <hes>. I never thought the Oakland thing would work because they're too dysfunctional for a dramatic personality. Pittsburgh worked should be noted for a long time. I think it works in New England for Awhile. It feels Durell Ribas. He's great mutually beneficial. I don't think it'll be randy. Moss successful could be but my takeaway is here. Here's my question with you. If if if you're a above a twitter guy in the social media guy and you go to the one organization that just don't read. They don't let their assistant coaches talk to the press can each change angel little. I think Antonio is at a crossroads where he can read between the lines in. I think in free agency they this year was a ton of teams who could have probably paid Antonio Braga me. He could have been asset form. Tonio Ends UP OAKLAND AND LISTEN NOT ANOC DOC Oakland but when you go to Oakland sometimes could be guys last stop by the way Randy Moss went to Oakland and just shut it down. He shut it down. Not GonNa play for you guys. It could potentially Ashley be your last stop and I thought it will work with Tony. I thought that was a team that really needed him but now he's in New England. You know the the tolerance is going to be different. Can't he make the adjustment. I think this is where Antonio true leadership skills will have to come into play. Tom Brady Bill Belichick back to guys in fail. Who you know <hes> you know? Just their presence can change the way you look at. You know anything thing in life you know so. I think it's on your phone down. Andy Reid you said any re this did this to you. You matured erred and he had a heart to harket Michael Right. It's time for you to be an NFL veteran player. Andy Reid because you respected him changed changed you. Do you think Bella check looks at Abyan says here's my nine trophies or here's my six trophies change him. Yes I think. Ab is going to have so much respect for Tom Mind you I I've seen on plenty of occasions in band inactions and you know from my standpoint my we're looking at I thought and I felt like they really had a good relationship. I thought early on a fair Tony was always smell. He loved. I love being you know if you ask me and I know he'll feel the same way playing with Tom. Ab is really happy when things going well he loved it. He loved to get the ball and the one thing about the New England patriots. They're gonNA find a way to make this acquisition work regardless and if they don't then we'll we'll see but I can't see a guy like Antonio as town today's with the rest of those guys not coming into the organization and being successful in his own right for whatever role they're going to allow him to play. I mean it looks so good last night. It almost looked like you know why was this decision. We made the you know. They got some of this lead like they always do so. I think you'll change if it's two guys that can say as Bella Tech and Tom Cuyler Murray running around looked overwhelmed a little bit. I'm just going to hold off. Detroit's got the fourth best defense in their own division. I'm not making any calls on this. He does like a little small to me but he does throw it <music> accurate football cuyler Murray and he thought what you saw it took him a while to get going and listen. I didn't expect them to come on and look like Patrick Mahomes in the second year. I knew it was going to be some growing pains like I said yesterday. He is a learn on the job and it took them three quarters but he found a rhythm data right Detroit not that good team. It was opening day phone. We'll see I progress you. Remember your first first. NFL start disaster it was a disaster against the Dallas cowboys and fast fast speed of the game was different. I played a little bit in week one but it was like four or five snaps I was an total control and I didn't have the responsibility of of leading the team but it was way aides who early for me. I I just wasn't ready yeah by the way that's that's okay. <hes> and these guys are getting Tony's the players rookies which means you know three or four years from now you know he may be looking back Prescott out the I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised all right Michael Vick great stuff thirteen years in the NFL so you know it's funny Mike When you call and right Colin wrong top of the hour I wanna go back to the cowboys for a second when I watched Dallas here here is my takeaway. Just in terms of I said a a-minus players Dallas has eight like when when I watch all the teams I think weakland's the most efficient team. I don't think that most talented when I watched AL's yesterday yesterday I can make the argument. They looked like the most talented team in the league. Is that crazy noticing how crazy I was saying last night. I mean guys like Michael Gallup Gallup emerging and then I forgot about ran Akabusi them catch a passing a flat and I see number eighteen EC dino says Randall COBB and I'm like what Randall Cobb is on his tail along tomorrow Kuban along with Zeke and demarcus Lawrence Byron Jones Vander corners they got they got deeper Salaam and they got two linebackers. Probably one of the top duels leaving it. I think it is the best young dual you watch him last department at Amazing <hes> unbelievable amazing people can say what they want about the cowboys and their dysfunction. I'm just saying when I watched that team play in terms of aid a minus players they you got about eight to ten and not many guys not many teams can say that one more heard third streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search turn to listen live or on demand whenever you lie hey. I'm Andy if you don't know me. 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That's Harrys Dot com code four four four four for enjoy every Monday. I stand up. I'm right. Sometimes I make big opinions. Sometimes I'm wrong Colin Right Colin on wrong on a Monday as always at this time here we go where Colin was right. I've been saying about Dak Prescott. There's a lot of different ways in the NFL to get paid at quarterback. Kirk cousins got. I paid because of scarcity Jimmy Garoppolo got paid because a potential DAK Prescott is going to get paid because he wins football games. It's not a big arm talent but he's good enough the other thing. I kept saying all off season was is anybody paying attention his last eight games once he got Amari Cooper he was seven and one listen man. You GotTa give this guy some toys. If you you go back to the first year at high maintenance Dez Bryant now he's got low maintenance Amari Cooper. He had an old offensive coordinator now. He's a former player young offensive coordinator <hes> they just keep giving them better weapons and it seems to me every year that he gets a little toy here in a little toy there he takes him and and he gets better <hes> most of these young quarterbacks they say the light doesn't go on until year two year three Russell Wilson so it's it's year four DAX gotten better. It seems to me in the last ten games we were right on that where Colin was raw. I would not have predicted that Lamar Jackson would be setting records words in the NFL his first start of year to some of the dolphins but I think organizations when in the NFL and I think organizationally Baltimore's than a really good job to support him get in backs ax receivers tight ends. They've always had good lines there and he has really grown very quickly I I I didn't think Lamar should play his first year. I said it before said sit in for the first year teaching the offense Baltimore's well run they put him in late in the year and when the chargers play in the second time it kind of unveiled him but he's worked his tail off in the off season you never hear about he's never distracted. All I ever hear is that he's at practice and I'm happy for him this league you know what I kept thinking when I get watching this game. Oh the Cleveland browns. The steelers are the only team they have to worry about in their division. You don't want any peace at Baltimore offense because it doesn't look like anybody else's they I didn't even run him yesterday and it was still lethal where Colin was right. Freddie Kitchens really never been hired as a coordinator and you guys think he's going to go toe to toe with Andy Reid and Bella check and even the coaches in the AFC. We're not sure good coach. Bill O'Brien Mike Vrabel. They win a a lot like they went freddie kitchens eighteen penalties five sacks three interceptions injection forty-three points allowed come on coaching manners in this league. Is anybody not paying attention to this stuff by the way Cleveland did not adjust the Brown surrendered more points every quarter so the coaching got worse threes. It's nine ten and twenty one. That was a poorly coachee. It would be easy for me to just destroy Baker Mayfield today. He had no infrastructure sure no support. The defense got worked that was poorly coached team. Here's Delaney Walker excellent tight end for the titans afterwards afterwards the circle game. This is just another game. We worried about it. I'm going to tell you game man they were were we thought they were talking and crown him crown play football that was perfect by the way where Colin was raw. I thought the steelers were the best looking team in the entire preseason. That was a mess. They didn't even really try to run the football. <hes> you know it wasn't the penalties elise. They only had five <hes> in a when. Are they going to face Tom. Brady and figure out you kinda mix up coverages. The back end look pathetic. <hes> Brady had plenty any a time to throw. They didn't run the football enough <hes> they look disorganized. I know some of this is what's New England's. A bad matchup burnt Pittsburgh Berg Brady just eats this. You know defense alive but a if you'd have told me Pittsburgh I thought had a chance for an upset and you were watching that game and you're midway through the first quarter near thought. Is this just another. Tom Brady surgical effort against Pittsburgh. I think that's the worst of all the Pittsburgh losses in Foxborough. This one felt embarrassing. I mean this was really really bad. Where Colin was right? If I had to hear Nick foles better than Carson Wentz another time listen nick foles a good kid and he's coach and he's got a pretty good arm. Carson wentz is a once a decade franchise draft pick carson wentz is bigger stronger Aaron Rodgers his release the way he flips the ball from different angles twenty twenty eight of thirty nine three hundred thirteen yards. He's he's bigger stronger. Aaron Rodgers and I feel terrible for Nick foles getting hurt but nick foles. It's not the kind of player as I predicted foles once he left a great organization and was going to be asked to carry a bad organization he can't do that. That's that's not who nick foles is Carson. Wentz is unbelievable not because of yesterday watched the Games watches release watches size is watches arm strength watches velocity he did it. There's a reason Philadelphia with the injuries Howie Roseman like yet will sign him now and take our chances dances on his injuries that kids unbelievable he and foles or not even in the same sentence where Colin was raw never been a big fan of Ed ores. Where's your on great guy never felt he kind of had the equality to be a head coach but ed ordure on at Lsu? I think they may be the best team right now in the country ed or Giron figured out here's what I'm not and he gave the offense over and Lsu can finally for the first time in a long time throw the football they went and hired a guy named Joe. Oh Brady from the saints and they said Joe just run are passing game. LSU always have athletes. They always are fun to watch but they're always like if you make them. Throw them all week this. Lsu Team can throw the football and I think he kind of figured it out listen. I've said this about myself. I got what I thought pretty good in this business when I figured out what I wasn't and stop trying to convince myself I was stuff and adores ron listen. I coach defense. I recruit people like like me. I'm going to give the passing offense to somebody else and LSU looked fantastic. Where Colin was right said before the draft might the one player in the draft draft? I knew would not bust was tight end from Iowa. Now I know I rip Iowa football the time I love their tight end I said the Patriots of trade picks and go get. TJ Hopkinson. He said he had six catches. One hundred thirty one yards it was the greatest first game ever for a tight end in the NFL and tight tight ends position where rookie tight ends can struggle in this league. He is unbelievable. This is the player I said of all the first round players the only one that I knew would would come in and be super productive was him. I have had to scouting directors. Tell me in the last year if New England gets him. It'll be unfair he he is growing but I think he's faster so. TJ Hopkinson is about to appeal off about ten years of pro bowls where Colin was raw this chip Kelly thing thank God the Tennessee volunteers are higher profile and worse. UCLA lost to San Diego State at home. They played them twenty. Two Times never lost. They got a quarterback right now. In chip Kelly's offense his highly dependent on the quarterback and he's not a thrower. He may be a good leader in a runner. He's done a thrower. They're a mess <hes>. They haven't played a power five team yet. They were humiliated by Cincinnati beaten. At home. I San Diego State and again. It's this is going to be a long slow build but his offense so predicated on the quarterback and I just don't think they have the guy at quarterback that it is it unless between the niners and the UCLA Cla job he has had a bad last thirty Games where Colin was right said Melvin Gordon. I love you and I think you're a good guy but this is not a good holdout fire your agent. This is not a good hold out the chargers have Austin and Justin Jackson and Exeter is dog many you can play and yesterday he was unbelievable unbelievable and listen. I like Melvin Gordon and I think he's GonNa come back but he just he gave money. He's never going to get back and if you look since Anthony Lynn took over for the chargers everybody runs for four yards a carry and it's not even a good offensive line the chargers all line is the weakness of their team but Anthony Lynn is a power coach with the presence they run the football. Well and Austin is a very high end backup a lot of times with these. He's holdouts. It's your leverage. WHO's my backup how bad they need me Melvin Gordon good player? He is not for that offense and that position a half to have to win. Lots of games Melvin come back. You're good player but in this situation the longer you stay out this year. You're going to have less and less leverage where Colin was raw <hes> this morning Andy Dalton leaves the NFL in passing passing yards. I don't know what happened. Aj Green didn't even play they face Pete Carroll Seattle Defense and Andy Dalton leads the NFL with four hundred one thousand nine passing yards and Cincinnati for the record has maybe the worst offensive line in the league and Andy Dalton leads the the NFL and passing yards. I don't have a lot to say about this other than I don't know what happened and I did not watch every snap at this game. There may have been something that happened with the weather that projected the ball down the field for one hundred yard several times. I was wrong on this. I never thought I'd see this. Aj Green did not even play Andy Dalton leads the NFL in passing assing yards where Colin was right. I told you a Thursday. The story was not going to be Aaron Rodgers. It was not going to be the bears defense. It was gonna be the packers defense. How Washington could let Green Bay get Preston? Smith is beyond me. The last two years the packers have drafted excellent defensive players. They've made it a priority. They've gone attracted and acquired smart mid level defensive players Preston Smith. They drafted darnall savage Green Bay. This year is not going to be just the Aaron Rodgers story in fact I think he and Matt Leflore will grow over time. This is the first top ten defense Aaron Rodgers has had since his super bowl team. It will be the story at least early this year for Green Bay where Colin was right. Odell Bell Beckham never wanted to go to Cleveland. It was not good for his brand so I believe Odell Beckham is trying to make branding a bigger part because he got some freebies in New York so he bought an Orange Bentley in the off season. That wasn't about football that was about. I'M IN CLEVELAND. I'm still America. I'm still here this week. Guinea war a three hundred fifty thousand dollar watch during the game. This is what I worried about Odell Beckham not that he isn't a good football player but he has a house in Hollywood Hollywood a Condo in New York and he vacations supermodels in Paris Cleveland was not ever a perfect destination and if Cleveland loses then he's on a bad team and nobody's talking about him so he is going to make several brand plays while he's in Cleveland and they don't exactly relate to the masses in Ohio three hundred fifty thousand dollar watches in Orange Bentley's. I don't like this is not the end of the world but he didn't have to Bentley thing in advertising advertise it. He didn't have to do the watch thing in New York because it's New York. You get talked about. 'CAUSE you're in New York. Watch this carefully as if Cleveland struggles Oh. BJ Is still losing player but now in a city that even in the Midwest nobody talks about this could be ugly. This could unravel if the browns go one and four and nobody's talking. LBJ Colin Right Colin Wrong in the Montgomery County Maryland courthouse there are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people soon as I heard the details I knew my dad was involved right away instantly instantly but at the time of the murders Lawrence Horn was clear across the

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Oddly we discuss whiskey again

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Oddly we discuss whiskey again

"Brought to you almost live from the dude in the basement studios. Why because that's where the good stuff is it sip suds and smokes with your smokin post the good old oh boy and now it's time yes it's SIP and time again and welcome welcome to this episode of subsidence? Most where everything good in life is worth discussing as always. We are the best thing on at two A._M.. And three we are a normally a one hour show but today we're going to be doing sixty. One minute shows in a row so hold on your rear rear end we are still banned in eleven states twenty seven counties and by the Nevada Gaming Commission from entering any of their casinos. Apparently they thought Justin was county cards because he went in there with no shoes on a plead no contest this made man Bob Robin joining me. Today are made man Maury in morning Bob. It's a pleasure to be here on excited about this assembly of fine whiskies. You've established yeah okay good. Oh Boy Justin arrested morning. Bob Thanks for decorating for the Derby looks great down here the basement okay. There's the first one minute show let's move onto the second one to be entertaining and good old boy harmeet. Thank you for having me Bob. I was told us to be whiskey show. I was expecting Scotch but I see a bunch of Bourbon in front of me. I won't complain I will drink your mind. Get Out and and roll tide my friend. Just get out enough band in Alabama. I know he should be banned. Everywhere all right well. I once joined a band but I could not get to you could carry a tune in a bucket maurienne myself or with the Bourbon Mafia. The Bourbon Mafias a nonprofit organization composed Bourbon enthusiast and industry professionals with representations in eight states are members combine a level Bourbon where they passion for charitable work. This sounds like a racket. The group uses rake and raise money yeah the group you'll shut up the group uses their web of our native spirit to raise money for local and national charities or rare bottle auctions and other themed events check them out on facebook at the Bourbon Mafia. There's no such thing as a mafia business. You can't talk about them of you. There is no such thing as a Mafia this thing of ours our show is also sponsored in part by find spirits and Cooper city Florida home the enigmatic machines that aren't yet hooked up <hes> Jeez that will eventually moved. We've moved will eventually serve great. Well okay wines <hes> whiskies and other spirits by the glass you can find them sleep stover Steinmetz lash fine spirits or what what they say W._W._W.. We W find spirits dot net or facebook dot com slash fine spirits or instagram dot com slash fine spirits or pretty much any website that has naked animals on it. Okay <hes> our show is also animals on them besides Disney yeah you you okay our show is also sponsor part by the Flora whiskey society to find out more about the society in their events visit them at F._D._A.. L. W. S. dot com. Dr Just come down to Fort Lauderdale drink with US pretty much anytime are precip segments are all about wine distilled spirits tea and coffee and today's show as a odds and end show and we're going to be tasting a whole bunch of different whiskies from a whole bunch of different stories so here's a list of what we got today. We have the boat ride twelve year version we have cream Kentucky Bourbon and from Bardstown Bourbon Company we have the fusion series number one and the Bardstown Bourbon company Discovery Series Number One and we have blade in bogue urban so we're going to have justin in his inimitable style your Best Kentucky Invoice or they're all the same accent at this point not gonNa Drunken Leprechaun. I believe we can always go back to the retailer Drunken Leprechaun we can always go back to the rip Taylor guys. I'm just saying oh dusty retailer pollen which is writ homeland rip Taylor pretty much the same ones just a little bit more snarky can can you do snarky. I can do is snarky Kentucky all right come on once a one SIP. Give me a glass of water to wash out my mouth ad-hoc. Oh my brain hurts right now to sips nice. What else do you have unless you pause the pause three sips <hes> interesting? What was this again four sips? Let's keep this secret to ourselves. Pour me another five sips. Oh my I I was unaware. Anything could be this good. Oh my he went really soft on that. One kinda was disturbing very disturbing. You know the last time somebody heard something in that tone it. was you know they they. We're tied up in the back of a van yeah five sips. Is that good the time Yup that's right. I like the and five sips. I like the big pause there like southern trying to cope with the next word. It's like when your computer is buffering buffering. The hamster fell asleep trying to catch ask a year from near the city Maury. Yes certain things are slow are in the South Big Paws Era Justin. Tell us what you got well. We have the bullet twelve year Ri- Ninety two proof but percent A._B.. Devious that'd be forty. Six percent alcohol wasn't thirty three and a third and most importantly it's non chill filtered so they leave all that good stuff in there all the Fatty Yucai Ah that's <hes> that's harms his wife's pet name from fatty acid. I told you on Statin now man I didn't get any I'm staying away from the Burgers good black char and my teeth but but it was very good hey would you what you and Mr Charles do on. The price of your home is up to you. I throw no aspersions. Let's just talk about the Whiskey I shall. We bullet twelve year old straight. American whiskey is the fifth edition to the Bullet Frontier Whiskey family as well as the first extension of bullet Rye. This whisky is source for news five expressions. Can I name them. Bullet Ri- Bullet Bourbon bullet barrel proof aw missing one then I think there's bulletin bulletin right and then this one bullet twelve ten ten is bourbon. The ten quite good offensive haven't had that yet narrow. The Florida what's regular bullet. Is it not in Florida. I don't play so so this whisky is sourced from M.. G. P. my favorite distillery Indiana is made by using their standard standard ninety five percent rye at five percent Marley Mash Bill Marley Farley Marley bolted Marley Marl tomorrow just caught Marley for short. Marley's everything going to be our adma amber drink sunrise little bit more and more than a little bit. This is a good tasting. I'm still disappointed. There's no scotch here Bob but whatever sorry just in the dorm Herbie. I'll have plenty on my trip to Scotland so I'm not worried about arms going to launch his own. Scotch podcast calls yeah. Here's what harm thinks about Scotch. Yeah everyone cares called Mr Bidder tricks. It was actually approach to start first another podcast Geez just about Scotch none of your bourbon stuff man. What are you waiting for? You guys got me drunk already. 'cause I got a good rioted on the nose nice powerful Rye. This beauty got a little bit of cocoa powder. The more air hit it the better behaved on the palate it followed through on ride promise on the nose Nice smooth strong Ri- little bit of all spice and touches star a niece now good one. I didn't catch that did I don't know what I did not but I thought delicious Ri- that it was a wonderful <hes> expression I agree. It's got baking spice dried fruit of vanilla on the nose. It's definitely got that little into Makoko. I've thought it was both guys got cocoa. I just thought I thought he was nuts. Yeah okay well I thought he was. I was in agreement with them. I thought it was Nice Pallet again. Baking spice sentiment citrus Chris Coco little burnt Caramel Toffee Oak. I just thought it was lovely and very well done. The finish was nice medium to long excellent job. Uh I got apple. Nobody got apple. No Rice spice on the finish on the nose dry second on your phone you idiot. You're sucking on your phone. What tried apple and dried oranges the rice spices? Is there cinnamon the flowers I don't get the chocolate you guys were talking about this nuts. I put a drop of water in there. Good brought up more of the citrus and baking spices. You're dead on. I just don't get that chocolate what you're talking about but the Caramel toffee the Oak I don't get the shock went on the nose chocolate on the Palate Chana Pal. I get the dried fruit. I got the Oak I got a little bit of meant on the nose. Yes you're right meant if I get a little bit of Walnut and then and on the power it's the baking spice. Cinnamon is very well done. This is very complex Molin top on just you know for some reason they're selling this for forty or fifty bucks. It's a Oregon go out by because it's a bar has six months or a year from now. They're gonNA raise it. The price twenty bucks easy but I still do get that handed. Oh you do not get absolutely do would would you stop eating pickles before the show so we get that M._G.. Pill you thought it was midwest grain products new. No no no no no Sir not but pickles pickled green now so we have a score for this Bobby Ju yeah but I'm not telling you come on. We're all right. Don't tell him till our listeners. We're giving this one forceps. Hey and we're back in this is a a <hes> Simpson's episode an odds and ends episode so we've got a wider different whiskies that were tasting. We just finished tasting the twelve year old bullet Ri- <hes> great whiskey great deal spell bullet right right right you ever been to come in the store and asked for the lights the name of the county. That's the name of the county where it is. You're the one spelling it wrong. It's been around longer and you have so there. I'm younger than all you guys in this room. I can adjust baby yes. Your baby is a baby but that's a scary looking baby rosemary's baby perhaps all right so we're going to our next one. We're going to have more you tell about this one. Thank you Bob. This is the cream of Kentucky hundred and two proof or for those of you need a math lesson fifty-one percent A._B._C. Eleven and a half year old it is only nine thousand bottles were produced. I the Creative Kentucky brand traces its roots back to the eighteen eighties when it was owned by trager and company of Cincinnati. The brand was acquired during prohibition by Shenley distillers who reintroduce the brand in nineteen eighteen thirty four Grand Kentucky grew to become one of the leading Bourbon brands in the nineteen thirties and forties with renowned artists Norman Rockwell providing much of the award winning artwork for the branding during this time well unfortunately like many brands it was one of the many victims of the decline in popularity of Brown spirits in the United States in the nineteen seventies and eighties during this time the brand everybody was smoking pot and doing drugs. They don't drink of whiskey correct. I blame generation. Thank you <hes> during this time. The brand ceased production. Its trademark was abandoned now. This historic brand has been Russ rescued by one of the biggest names in Bourbon. Jim Rutledge judge the floor master distiller four roses thankfully for Bourbon fans retirement didn't seem to stick with Mr Rutledge and so he and business partners are working on opening the new J W Rutledge distillery in Oldham County Kentucky tacky while they work towards getting the Stiller in operation. They've released this cream of Kentucky eleven and a half year old expression using Bourbon sourced from an undisclosed Kentucky distillery. I've gotTa Guess Yeah Half Well. It's got a beautiful golden color. <hes> bordering on copper. I love the color but more importantly I love the knows the noses just got cherries and citrus and spice. It's got vanilla and all things nice. There's definitely a hint of peanut and a hint of citrus on the pallets got wonderful mouth feel. It's just viscous it just coach your palate at just voluptuous delicious and just all-consuming again <hes> Cherry some citrus. You've definitely get some caramel. <hes> some toffee butter tobacco just layers upon layers of flavor and complexity. <hes> just can't say enough great things about this whiskey. <hes> just finished goes on and on <hes> just thought it was fantastic justin what you think I absolutely loved Cream Kentucky thank you. It's a dark amber color on the nose. I Got Cherries. I got a little bit awry. Some peanuts definitely felt. You're like premium. Jim Beam product not that we know that that's what it is. We don't but insanely good. It has an outrageous mouth feel you got to know said. Got The vanilla you want in any premium Bourbon You got light oak. I could drink this all day till I pass out and the finish is that was yesterday Justin yes yesterday and tomorrow but very nice finish to it. I love this yeah. No I thought it was fabulous. I just love the voluptuous viscosity the mouth it really is coding and just while well the the right name because that feel this creamy yeah it's just me on the nose getting the Cherries and getting the spice could that will pay not hint up in the tip of the nose <hes> that beautiful creamy mouth feel. It's Nobody's oak here. We'll get some stewed fruit. Get some Caramel I mentioned oak. You're coughing butterscotch and tobacco wave and just that's that was the note I was missing Naughty Tobacco right tobacco. I wasn't listening to you more visit coughing up along allergy attack. It is really really well. All done got a great mouth. Feel Scott Pre dangled finish on it too <hes> yeah this. This is <hes>. This is a good one this. This is a good one but you know I. I'm very happy that they sent us a large knowing gem put anything in a bottle. That's not going to meet his standard so I I you knew going in for you open. It was going to be pretty good but this is Mr L._S._U.. was signing bottles at the store five years ago six six years ago. You probably see them more often than that. You're always up in Kentucky every time I turn around but this is so good example another release coming out of this. What's what's gone before they they distillery they'll do more? Is there an older one. You've been talking Buckingham <hes> yeah. Actually they have source more barrels so they have they have plenty for. I know at least one more maybe two more releases of this so <hes> there should be more to come and I'd be more than happy at any time to review you any and every release the more I think <hes> hint hint nobody mentioned smokiness on this one. This is a little hint of smoking on the nose little smoke charter Oak. It does remind us like really Nice Diane Cigar much smoke because I get a little bit barrel char to it but yeah that's what I'm thinking barrel Char Yeah this one dude. This is so pretty. Unfortunately they're not selling in Florida yet so I'm S._O._l.. But <hes> and I hear it's quite pricey anybody retailing us <hes> not not my head and a secondary. It's going for one hundred fifty two hundred secondary secondary. That's when and people are illegally reselling their bottles. I know what that means is. Such a thing what kind of animal well we're going to be giving the cream of the Kentucky biceps. Bring me more all right so we are now going to go to our next whiskey which is from an entirely different place and we're going to have harm. Tell us that if he can you know not cough up blood I had an allergy thing man and yeah sure but not inhale the bourbon what that's that's. That's a rookie move my friends I don't do don't try hyper moving on <hes> so we have here. Is the Bardstown Yeah Yeah. That's what Rodney has to say to you. Come on. Let's go that guy. He's dead now. I Know Bart Suburban Company Fusion Series Number One ninety eight point nine proof for forty nine point four five percent A._B._C. for you mathematically challenged. I also would not calculated off the top of my head but we have it written here. That's a behind the behind the scenes trades special sauce so the the good old boys and made men get an episode earlier of the show where they spoke about Bardstown Bourbon Company. I unfortunately could not make it that day. Drinking Scotch in a very short time time they had become a major player in the Kentucky Bourbon Business. They started out by contract stealing for a large number of customers they currently produce forty different mash bills for some of the finest whiskey and Bourbon brands in the world and most modern distilleries stories the country however while doing all of that they've also been working on their own products smart guys the first release of their Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey is the Bardstown Bourbon Fusion series number one. This product is a blend of their own whiskeys and Source Kentucky Bourbon. The blend is eighteen percent two year old wheat whiskey and a forty two year old four hundred forty two percent hi Rai Bourbon from Bardstown Berm company with an eleven year. Your old sourced Kentucky Bourbon so you got two year old leader. A forty two percent Barstow is that we are also from Barstow Bob. Do you know doesn't say here yeah. They're both so the weed so the Wieder read it the way it's written and don't drop out commas and paragraphs and things and yes it's. It's a I don't see anything about wheat Bourbon and out. I see you couldn't find common commas Gotcha so there's two English can be fundamental. Reading is fundamental man. I'm trying to use that to my daughter. She's the big math Whiz I would explain why it seventeen. She still can't read she's five moving on. I will cut you all right. The caller was a purdy amber. That's pretty whiskey out there. Boy Who's I just WanNa say Brown or light brown what shade of Brown and the knows I love the nose on this whiskey. It's Vanilla Fudge caramel sauce slighted the peanut and a hint of mint now the pallet mass where this one fell down for me. It tasted again now this time to breathe. I make the noises for you kids while taste. It's kind of one note on the Palate. It's got that brown sugar a little bit of Oak that vanilla FIS doesn't come through the peanut didn't come through a little bit drying on the Finish so oh I thought it promise more on the nose Justin did. What did you think about this brown liquid? I thought it was okay. Moving on a pleasure having you today at raisins stood for healthcare prouder from the from the nose no no raisins almonds in pairs on the palate. It had no pairs here how it had none of it on the on the palate there was some vanilla tasted like a rice spice and had a long complex finish air didn't do this one any favors was best right out of the valley. Uh right out of the sample bottle may actually faded a little bit faded also drink it drink it fast when you buy it. That's my advice. What did you think more well? I'd have to agree with you as much as I hate to. Admit it <unk> are thought but I think it's got a little bit of a little bit too much of the young spirit and it's not high percentages fifty sixty percent eight only only two year old percent of the Bardstown Ri- which is less than three years about two year old right so you're looking at forty percent of mature whiskey sixty percent of his actual whiskey yeah you're right and <hes> you know honestly. I think it's going the right direction. I think it shows promise. I think it'd be great in another couple of years or certainly much improved or maybe fifty percent young whisky fifty percent older whiskey yeah but <hes> bottom line. Is that <hes> it was young to me. The nose was green and young and and young corn. It's not a bad effort. It's well made no direct you. It's just not they're just not there yet bob. Did you agree with us or are we just trying to figure out where he's getting green and corn. I'm from south there bourbons or at least he reads he reads numbers starts thinking the green corn notes either no vanilla fudge watchman Vanilla Fudge. I definitely I get the pair. I definitely get two pair pair pairs do you. I smell pair and not a very ripe pear now unripe pair definitely a honey note and there's a little bit before or not that's that's what's blowing by the rise the floor but the the real floral sort of blown off since we've opened it <hes> and on the pallet I mean just sweet sweet spice. I get a a big hint of Walnut. Nobody got mentor peanut am I the only one is just not meant there yet. Sorry I'm getting walnuts. A little bit of meant <hes> spearmint regular meant. I get some Bonilla on it and it does got pretty. You got a pretty good finish on it. I could smell it all day long. I just didn't enjoy the PAL near the finish definitely sticks with you so you know they're absolutely going in the right direction. There's no doubt about that so I'd say <hes> pretty good pretty good whiskey. We're going to be given this one three sips I- Bobby Joe you give it three six you tell me about the next one bob to the next one from Barstow Bourbon Company which is their discovery series is this one is one hundred and twenty one point twenty one proof or get this sixty point six zero five percent. Get out your calculator digits. This is presented to show the blending talents over Bardstown Bourbon Company. This product combines a source twelve year old cook into Kentucky Bourbon with white accents of older and Younger Source Kentucky Bourbons it seventy five percent of the twelve year old five percent thirteen and ten percent of ten year and ten percent of five year which should equal hundred if I'm not mistaken so you know the color on this one hundred thirty five hundred you actually got one hundred got more than one hundred percent here. You have one hundred. It's one hundred now. Let's go back to elementary school. Oh I see ten ten year. Okay Gotcha. Somebody want to buy this idiot some glasses drinking bourbon all day sit over there. Be Quiet quitting harming timeout. It's got a really nice color too. You know almost <hes> like a dark amber. <hes> a little bit of copper around the edges Ohio's knows to me. He is all toffee. It's just it's for sure it's Toffee toffee toffee a little bit of Annella but all toffee and on the Pallet on the Palate this one definitely big Oak <hes> getting some Tannin's on it <hes> Caramel Vanilla and baking spice. You don't get Black Cherry no no now. I'm getting toffee yeah. I'm still getting the coffee. It's yeah it's tough on this. Thing is huge <hes> and this one honestly this one has actually from when we first opened it when we first opened at this thing. Was You know it is the oak was a wackle teeth. It's really that the OAK is really mellowed out since when we first opened it so <hes> it reminds me of stag junior a lovely whiskey. This reminds me of junior. Yeah you're right. It's a brick to the teeth. Yep I mean and again I think it softened a bit yeah so <hes> just a lovely whiskey would would you justin I got pairs disappeared after half hour baking spice state through a hint raisins and some dates on the palate. I'll give you the dates easy. That's a good because he's always looking for a date on the palace. Justin Swipe right spicy oak and I got tobacco like an intense tobacco note like a very short hot cigar and the finish is really long. That's exactly it. It's a short hot cigar. Yeah that's exactly it and the finish is really long and sign insanely Kuyper for short hot blonde too bad. They don't prefer you. I know go back to sleep better to have a bourbon bottle in front of you than frontal lobotomy harm. What did you think more? I agree with you Justin. I thought it was beautifully done whiskey. It was definitely a step up from the previous expression <hes> the fusion <hes> again we we admit to being proof hounds and I love the higher proof. I thought it had a lot of complexity a lot of flavor. I definitely got a lot of the CARAMEL toffee anyone but water. I did not put water in it but I thought I had a beautiful finish finished just kept going and going and going and <hes> I I liked it. I liked to quite a lot agree with everything you guys said but I got Sheri's on that long. Finish Tobacco Brown Sugar Toffee toffee toffee Cherry on the face. I said reminds me of stag junior so it's a good stuff. Oh Yeah just give me more. Give me more this. He had that's just again. It's just it's right in your face. The Oak and the Tan is just. It's just like it hit in the face with a bat. Try drop a water. I think you'll get the cherry coming up. What did you think of the water or you haven't done you? I doing it and adding more and I'm getting more the fruit we're giving this one four sips and we're back and we're doing a odds and end show talking about a different whiskies from different distilleries. We just finished up <hes> talking about some of the stuff from the folks at Bardstown Bourbon Company so now we are moving onto one from the folks said Yeah Gio we've got the blade and Bo whiskey so we're going to have harm. Tell us about that. One not ready to move on still drinking this Bardstown this this last one do oh my God discovery series. How many whiskies under this discovery series it just started? They just started this number two number one discovery series not discovery to know fusion one discovery one you just here's the problem with math today they. I don't know what that is not just today well it took A._P.. Calculus into a store I can do failed it but hey my friend. Do you get a solid one on the test <hes> yeah. I'm his dream college so you can have taken college after I did anyway because too late. Maybe they apparently didn't take A._P.. Credits any who kids Bladen Bow Kentucky Straight Bourbon is ninety one percent proof or ninety one proof or two point five percents A._B.. It is a non h statement whiskey and and I'm drinking the wrong woman switch glasses here that doesn't smell right so as I'm sniffing in an Sniffen speaking declaim in about this wonderful whiskey bourbon fans all of the world and are. are familiar with the history of Spitzer Weller distillery opened by Pappy van winkle on Derby Day nineteen thirty five this legendary property was the home of Fitzgerald and one operate and wasn't operation until Nineteen ninety-two the distillery eventually came came to be owned by which continues to own the property to this day and Produces Blade Mbo Kentucky Bourbon Blaine Bo Pace al-Marj to the history of the Stillwell distillery. I can't keep it doing this. I'm sorry the they played over for you. Would you like me to finish they can't do. I'm saying that I couldn't do the stupid accent anymore through their use of the Selena aging system now you you're into. You're going to continue the a stupid accent can you you can do that. These accents all day long. Yeah you finish. They use solaire aging system to preserve some of the distilleries oldest whiskey stocks including some of the last bourbon produced there the Solaire they use is five levels high five five so basically the youngest bourbon on the top level the oldest whiskey on the bottom all the good stuff's on the bottom the STA weller stuff so Selena's the Celera aging system means. They can't use an age statement basically 'cause you're blending continuously yeah. They're they're. They're theory is they take some some of the stuff at the end and put it back to the beginning so that they can say that everything that comes through as a weller distillery solar system is now recognized for blending and Kentucky is it. That's I mean this was this was starting started in Hes- for Sherry ferry so at Burns has one for their room to those infinity barrels yeah. That's there's gotta be some molecules of some hundred euro whiskey in here talk. I mean whistle whistle pig. <hes> who is it that does the solar. There's a couple of gotTa Solaro fifteen here in the U._S. but when they say fifty and they say fifteen is the minimum age they're solaris stuff goes back almost fifty years sixty years were saying but but does it really translate into the taste of the product. That's what we're going to find out in the middle of the story to go first on on this one. I don't feel like going. I still describing the spirit son all right. I'm GONNA get back. You're in a rush I was I wasn't who can go slower Justin Year me off can go pretty slow on on this of you have experienced Alabama yeah so more eat more you going to get in on this to get in on it. Bob The only way I can do Kentucky. Can you do want to interrupt South Carolina. Come on you're staring us. He is so mad right now. Group of absolute nickel ads where's my signed sheet so as the whiskeys pulled from the bottom affects today for bottling modeling the Whiskey from each levels subsequently drained sitting next subsequently drain into the next lower level with the newer whiskey being added to the top level kind of like a whiskey Pyramids Ed's game. None of these barrels are really called the Amway whiskey right. None of these barrels are ever fully emptied so that h bottle contains a portion of that original stencil Weller whiskey. This is not poor man's pepe so since I call everything too many shades of Brown. This one's more like a light orange earns earns the knows it has has like a really nice floral note to it in find this muted right off the bat bubbles muted you again this. This one is one that air didn't do any kindness too so was floor up front as far up front port and port poor whatever you want drink verse fifteen minutes and put the cap back on that bottle and you're going to enjoy it the most when the Pallet I got add vanilla and I got a I had a light durian pastry note on this dirt on the Palate Gusting House. He's Zuri in smells disgusting but it tastes awesome. That's the irony. Is this route compared properly. It smells like the corpse flower but you have to cook it. Yeah I've had during in a smoothie right. I was in Singapore. It's this is a fruit so stinky are signs and say you're not allowed to bring this on the trains on the subway right. No eating during awesome in Houston they made pastry out of it a sweet pastry. I've never had cooked her and have only had it raw and it was as Dan it's like onions and feet the the woman who sold it to me warned it warned me against it but I thought it was good and my significant other you've normally palace disgusting fruit that is banned most places where they actually eat it not the Palette rid of it. I mean not the not the knows that they will never send us whiskey again. No no no. It's the good part of the the taste are cook during I agree with you Justin Justin. I think this is a delicious whiskey. Now I must admit coming off of the last one which was a fabulous whiskey. It's just a different style but I like this whiskey quite a lot. I love the color. It's got a beautiful mahogany color car. It's got a lot going on the palate. It's got a nice viscosity. It's got a medium to long finish. There's nothing wrong with this whiskey. I thought it was delicious. I think as well done. I think it's <hes> just a a very nice expression can't say enough good things about it. During or not terrier not better not be dirty and Oh my God the one the one thing the listeners should knows what the significance of the Stencil Weller distillery is uh they they have made that PAP famous pappy Van Winkle Bourbon and Rye that everyone raves about and they've been behind some of the best bourbons that have come out in the late eighties early nineties matter of fact of bird offline give Bourbon away and when you couldn't give Bourbon Away Burg offs had their own special release of their house whiskey which was made from the Studio Weller distillery Hillary. It's been my life's journey to find some and try some Bob's hat bob. Tell us about Burg Offs House whiskey from the Berghof restaurant in Chicago. which is I believe now closed but it was there for like a hundred years and that was their house whiskey was bottled by Stencil Weller and <hes> we got a chance to try some we could have some when I was in Chicago couple of years back with a bunch of other guys and that was one of the bottles that was on this this absolutely insane killer table of whiskey and <hes> I just I took pictures of it because I only ever seen pictures? I've never actually seen a real bottle of it and it was it was just classics. That's a weller was like drinking a you. The nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties very old fitzgerald. I may was just butterscotch bomb. It was so so so good <hes> yeah I mean it's it's a historic property. <hes> unfortunately had succumbed like a lot dead back. I think ninety two is there last year. <hes> decisive of friend who's got a nineteen fifty four fitzgerald. He's just has not ever need never open. It was his dad's Fitzgerald. Do I tell sal it drink. Drink it ran over here. We'll get ready form is that old is probably no good anymore so I can properly dispose of that for him so no one did say it was an export bottle so I think eighty proofread yeah. It's yeah it's not it's fine. Yeah export is even though it's bottled in bond. It's not one hundred proof but it's probably awful yeah just terrible. I was telling we should take it off his hands. Yeah Oh come pick it up. I know so of my notes. Would I say color colors Brown. The nose is still muted to me. I've let this have air floral. You guys is keep saying Pero on here on the knows no pair brown sugar with flowers a little bit of nuttiness tiny bits of analysis act. Just I'M S I'm expecting expecting more from the the famous zoologist and that's where I think you're rating comes in. I think you're biased. You're expected more. I think if you ignore where it's coming from you just drink it for. What's in the glass? I think it's a delicious whiskey yeah. If you didn't play up the whole step so the other thing I would be like this is yummy tram but if I owned it I'd play the heck out of it so yeah I. I don't blame him. I'd yeah I'd every chance I get. I'd make sure that name was prominent somewhere. I'm I'm sorry you guys drink this. Yes I'm going back one one. Weren't they going to do the the bullet hits Weller on the bullet brand well. They have the bullet experience at the Stencil Weller distillery but they built a new distillery just to make the boat so that's <hes> just outside of town outside oil east global like Jorhat Not Frankfort <hes> I haven't been there yet but it's real nice facility from what I've been told and they've got it all set up. It's all energy efficient uh-huh solar panels and all that kind of stuff but really really nice bullet China market in Thai make a little tie into so weller especially because well they did yeah I mean we'll have nothing except now or selling headphones bolt at the facility in a gift shop but Tom's office is actually what used to be happy's office so that's Kinda cool yeah. That's that's really neat. I mean when you stand in there. You're like wow this is. This is searching Geek. This is really kind of in the same office. Pappy van winkle stood it. Come on man workers talking about Geek. I I'm going to ask you about the Scotch Dear God so. Is Anybody know if the twenty two year version of blamed bowes that's supposed to be all still weller or I do not know and I couldn't tell you I tried to see if I could secure us one of those they were already gone so and are they using the same stills no no so every now none of the none of the stills and stuff it said so you can use the problem with that facility is it's an old facility so at it's probably what I've heard probably filled with us best house and yeah just going in there too. You'd have to rip it completely down at cost him a fortune to basically rebuild everything start stilling there and it's too close to town surrounded by you know different Indus- industrial parks and stuff like that so it's just easier to easier to move out of town and do it there but I mean there's still quite a few of the rick houses there and the buildings are still there. I'm assuming the stills are still inside you know but it's just easier to move it out of town so as the Laden bode is still there or no no may they have a small still there that they do projects on but no that's only been for a couple of years. This is all this is all stuff that Biagio has got leftover whiskies. They're all stocks old stocks stuff the orphan barrel project all stocks remember when they took over that there was all kinds of different brands at had been merged into one in urge national distillers and Shenley and all these other companies that had all been merged together so if you go into those warehouses it's it's not like going into a warehouse at Jim Beam where everything in Jim beam. It's it's you go into that warehouse and there's all kinds of different stuff F- in there I mean Heck Dickel in there because they own dickel. You know they don't have enough warehouse based on in Tennessee so a lot of that comes up and gets age there so there's all kinds of different brands and manufacturers in there so they take all of that stuff and you know they're making can something with it so I mean I think this is lovely. It's got a it's got a really nice nose to the palate again. If you don't tell me about the whole story this is lovely whiskey very sweet power. That's why I take issue with your rating. It's got a very mild pepper to it. It's got pretty good finish. <hes> it seems to stay with you. <hes> you know certainly a solid whiskey. We'll certainly solid wood and again. It's it's it's IT'S A it's a benefit and a curse having that name yeah you know that's that's the problem because really I mean. Let's be realistic how much original still juice in here that's why they're doing with the Salaya 'cause they stop them molecule states while they stopped to still in there in ninety two. So how much can they possibly have left probably very little when if they have any hopefully it's been transferred to stainless or else. It's pretty over but they're taking all the a different stocks they've gotten blending these things together and coming out with some very interesting products so we have a rating you know more <hes> more power to them so we're going to be giving the Bladen Bo when we I say three ships under protest. I'm going back to the other one man wow well. That's all the time we have for today. We hope you enjoyed this episode and you can get Oliver episodes where you found this one as well as on terrestrial and satellite radio and online at I tunes Google play Iheartradio C._B._S.. 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The CIA Torture Cover-Up

Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

1:09:00 hr | 10 months ago

The CIA Torture Cover-Up

"Hey everybody it's Jeremy I just WanNa take one second to tell you that if you go to the intercept dot com slash support and contribute ten dollars a month to this program. We're going to send you a brand new intercepted t shirt. That's the intercept dot com slash. Support thank you very much on the show this is CNN and breaking news. Adam Schiff on an investigation. That the committees involved just came to the podium just to be quiet star. Sounds like you support court. President Do Support Impeaching Stanford. Moving him from office in the last thirty days he has no pizza. Experience has never been in the pizza category to present this report to just say states. They're working we'll come. Workers will be straight stated and there. You have chairman Adam Schiff of the House intelligence committee who led this impeachment investigation investigation releasing nothing from Jefferson. Deranged human being very sick man is intercepted. And I'm Jeremy Scahill coming from the offices of the intercept in New York City and this is episode one ten of intercepted Democrats crazy and you know what they have to be careful because when the shoes the other foot and some day hopefully in a very long distant future you'll have the Democrat president a Republican House and they'll do the same thing because somebody picked in our refrigerator and you don't like it so let's excellent so that's not the way our country is supposed to be run as the impeachment hearings investigating. Donald Trump are continuing with the House Judiciary Dish Airy Committee picking up from the Intelligence Committee. It's pretty clear that trump did what he keeps screaming that he didn't do. He abused the powers of office. It is clear that trump has done all sorts of stuff that justify impeaching him and criminally prosecuting him at the same time. It's really hard to get passionately. Nationally worked up about the specific facts of the Democrats impeachment efforts when you look at the vast array of presidential crimes that go completely unpunished and are actually often celebrated. I'm talking about war. Crimes crimes of economic terror like all of his predecessors Donald Trump is authorizing. The operation is regularly that knowingly. Kill civilians just look at the most recent drone strike in Afghanistan a US drone strike killed five people after it struck a car that was rushing mother to the hospital after she experienced complications from a home birth. The strike kill the twenty five year. Old Mother Milana three correlative. Send the car's driver in southeastern Afghanistan while Barack Obama who presided over the massive expansion of US drone strikes would publicly express remorse morse for the killing of civilians. While also continuing to kill civilians. Trump has taken a different approach. He celebrates war criminals he pardons them or restores restores their ranks over the objections of senior career. Military officers just look at the recent cases of navy seals who did heinous acts while all in us uniform the whole trump Ukraine affair in its technical and mundane details has had this unintended impact of unmasking the the hypocrisy and overwhelming power of the state and its minions to define what real crimes actually look like. Trump is using the office so the presidency to wage a dirty war against a political opponent. That's a real crime trump using the office of the Presidency to kill maim or starve civilians. Well that's just foreign policy. There is absolutely no story in recent. US history. That better illustrates this brutal reality of what American American exceptionalism really means than the post nine eleven CIA torture program and the ways in which both the Bush and Obama administrations did everything everything possible to ensure that no one would ever be held accountable and that the full truth of what was done under this program would not see the light of day the new feature film from Amazon Studios. The report tells this story through the experiences of Daniel Jones. He was the lead investigator for the Senate. Intelligence Committee tasked with producing a report. That would tell the story of the torture program. Morning Dan Morrison. Have you seen this story today in the New York Times evidently the CIA destroyed. Tapes of interrogation al-Qaeda detainees the Intel Committee November tapes. No this is the first. I've heard of it so I wanna find out what was on the tapes while they were destroyed. We want you to lead the investigation. Dan Birth the tapes were destroyed. How do we? They're saying they have written records thousands of pages. She's let's see about that. I want you to find out exactly what they have an read every word of it. This new film tackles the origins of the CIA program graphically graphically portraying the heinous acts of torture committed by the agency and its contractors. Guys humiliate him right off. The Bat same raised took away sleep deprivation. We stopped a music when he starts talking then he can sleep tired. People tell the truth. Ruth learned Elvis. It highlights some of the most vile characters in this story such as officials Cofer Black. Because I said to the president two weeks Love flies walking across Al Qaeda rebels. Jose Rodriguez what's the point of moving forward without the waterboard. It's like trying to play baseball without the bat and in a more subtle way. The currency a director Gina Hassle. You have to make this work. It's only legal if it works. What is really remarkable in my view about this film is how it portrays the Obama Administration? And it's atrocious. Actions during the course of the Senate Investigation Barack Obama my head come into office promising to end the dark days of Bush and Cheney and torture be clear and unequivocal doc. We do not torture period. We don't talk. Our government does not for that should be our position that should be our our position that will be my position as president. What is so well documented in this film? The report is how at every turn. Senior Obama Administration officials initials actively hindered the Senate investigation. It portrays how Obama's chief of Staff Denis McDonough served as effectively a bodyguard for the CIA A- and actively supported the agency in its campaign to deceive and block efforts to document exactly what happened and who was responsible. It's only once you wanted to make a difference. Get that chance of course only does it mean it means stands got senator said about the CIA. Doing and yourself any favors. Have you read the report. It's seven thousand pages Dan. The Bible tells the history of mankind in less than that look Saudi. Their side of the story. It would help if you would listen. And what I believe is the most important aspect of this film is the story of Obama's second. CIA Director. John Brennan Brennan was a senior official at the CIA at the height of the torture program and it was under Brennan's leadership at the CIA. During the Obama Administration that the agency broke into into the computers of the Senate investigators access their files and communications and then attempted to get Senate investigators criminally charged. This was Barack Obama CIA director. We're not talking about Dick. Cheney we're not talking about George Bush. It was the CIA director put in power our by the constitutional law scholar Barack Obama for all of trump's constant harping about the deep state. Here we have an incredible historical historical fact Barack Obama. CIA Director presided over the CIA spying on US citizens on US soil working for the Senate Intelligence Committee which was established to oversee the CIA which had been spying on US citizens on US soil. John Brennan has is paid no price for any of this in fact you can find him on cable. TV on any given day talking about the lawlessness of the trump presidency for national national security and Intelligence Perspective on today's testimony return to former CIA director. John Brennan he is a senior national security intelligence analyst for MSNBC. And and I want to get your reaction to that phone call in that restaurant which sounds like a very very high level security risk. Well it It's just a number of things one is that I think as Neil mentioned Sunland has a fair amount of explain to do. We're GONNA dig very deep into the story of the C. I. Torture Program and the investigation that Democratic and Republican administrations wanted to kill. I'm joined join now by the real life. Subject of the new film. The report Daniel Jones. He was a staff member for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and he led the investigation into the CIA. As interrogation methods that culminated in a report called the committee study of the Central Intelligence agencies detention and interrogation program. That report was more than six thousand. Seven hundred pages long but only a five hundred page. Executive Summary has ever been released Daniel. Oh Jones welcome to intercepted thank you who are some of the the key figures in coming up with the concept for what would become what we all refer to kind kind of you know in shorthand as the torture program. CIA lawyers after nine. Eleven within days began discussing among themselves torture in one on email with the subject torture update the CIA lawyers discussed if our CIA personnel engage in torture against against suspected terrace. Foreign states will be less likely to seek prosecution of them if the torture resulted in lives saved and that found its way eventually into legal memos at Department of Justice somebody had to say like. Can you look into this for now. The records that we reviewed again this is six EXP point three million pages of classified documents which is the equivalent of two urban libraries documents. We had interview reports done by about one hundred senior in your Seattle officers that were done at the time Tenet Pavitt others and then we have the six point three million pages. Those documents indicate that the beginnings of the discussion of torture started started with mid level attorneys and not operators non analysts and not Bush and Cheney who were some of those lawyers that's all classified all of it all of it so this discussion is happening with the agency lawyers. At what point does it. Hit the administration's lawyers or figures like Cheney or David David Addington his henchmen. It wasn't until February until the decision was made that the United States would not apply the Geneva Conventions February of two thousand and two a yes. That's exactly right so you know. September eleventh two thousand one September seventeenth is when the memorandum of notification comes up and that memorandum notification gives the CIA special covert authorities very sensitive documents saying the president United States has authorized the CIA to engaged in these activities and one of of those activities in that Mo Memorandum of notification from September Seventeenth. Two thousand one was the ability to detain suspected. Terrorists who were involved served in active plotting against the United States that definition CIA expanded themselves I would say unlawfully. But that was the special authority. And it's really important born to note and that memorandum of notification from two thousand one. There was no mention of interrogation and certainly no mention of torture or course of interrogation tactics that something that's a step the CIA took on their own in two thousand and two actually brought it to the Department of Justice and then some of that information was briefed to the White House. And as we documented an actual Senate report President Bush did not know the details of the CIA program until April two thousand six at what point specifically does is Dick Cheney. Get a briefing about this and come to understand what exactly be CIA. Lawyers were talking about the documents that we we have indicate that the I I went to Department of Justice and they also went to Condoleeza Rice. Who Was National Security Advisor at the to honor Bush right exactly and their their argument was we need these interrogation tactics? We need these torture. Tactics in order to save American lives and because of these torture tactics. It leads leads us to information. We could not obtain anywhere else what they would call otherwise unavailable intelligence which means they can't get that intelligence from going through emails they can't get it from I'm grabbing phones out of the sky or cooperative sources right this is something without torture. We won't stop this plot or captured this terrace. And that's the argument. And there's a memo which which we talk about from July two thousand and three where the CIA is looking for reaffirmation from the White House that this program is is okay and this is because the White House had gone out and said that it treats detainees humanely. They're being well treated. There is no allegation other maybe an allegation. There's no there's no evidence that that we're treating them outside the spirit of Geneva Convention for those who say we are. They just don't know what they're talking about back. When the White House said that people see? I were frantic frantic that the White House was saying one thing publicly but then privately eh telling them they could run off and do this program and they were worried that they would be in trouble for this. This is a representations about the application of those techniques about the effectiveness Dennis of those techniques and the impact of those techniques on its detainees was grossly inaccurate even from the very beginning starting in two thousand and two all the way up through through President Obama. Describe the way that the White House lawyers worked on this program and tried to clear the legal path for for acceptance by the administration that this was okay and lawful to do the path that is detailed in the records is really one from the CIA to the Department of Justice. Office the Council right. So if you get the office of Legal Counsel to say yes this is legal. It makes it an easy policy cell or an easier policies. The Office of Legal Council The O. L. C. These are the lawyers that are responsible for advising the president on whether or not policies that administration wants to implement are lawful full and to raise any potential legal problems and to game out scenarios. If this ever ended up in any kind of a court what would happen absolutely absolutely says CIA. They knew that they couldn't go to the White House. Say WE WANNA use these interrogation tactics and the Department of Justice thinks they're illegal so their way through this was to go to the Department of Justice First and say these tactics we wanna use and these are legal arguments for why that's okay. And they found a sympathetic year. John knew he was a top top person in the Department of Justice. Office of Legal Council this body that is responsible for making sure that what the president does is legal right exactly. So some of those memos that John you constructed were released by the Obama Administration early in his tenure but the C. I. Lawyers came up with these arguments and then brought brought them to John. You and Jon you expanded upon the arguments. We're fighting a network of religious extremists. They don't have a territory surveilled. Don't have armed forces to watch so that means information is paramount to stop a future attack like nine eleven. The only way to get that information aside from the lucky electronic intercept is us through interrogation of people. We actually capture. Did you come across evidence that the CIA already began implementing some of these tactics prior to the LLC being briefed on this and coming up with their own opinion well the first detainee to be taken into custody as a man whose Obata and that's at the end of March of two thousand. I'm too it's important to talk about to go back to that September Seventeenth Memorandum of notification the CIA is given special authorities to detain suspected terrorists around the world world indefinitely and the CIA says. Okay well we're going to do this program let's look into it. Where are we going to hold? These detainees How are we going to question them? mm-hmm what do we do. Should they be on a military base. Should be on foreign soil. They eventually decide that. This isn't a good idea period that they're not going to do this. Because there there are other authorities in that memorandum notification. And they basically decide that it's not worth it and they don't WanNa do that but then Abu Zubaydah gets captured. There's a great line in the Senate report quoting again a CIA document where they say we're GonNa take him into custody. Not because we think we can do a better job Bob than anybody else but if we fail we'll be able to describe up the chain of command why we failed versus if he's in Jordan where there's criminal charges charges against him or somewhere else will have to say. I don't know we're not in the room we don't know what's going on There was also this misunderstanding of who Abu Zubaydah was within the CIA at the very senior levels at the junior levels. There was no misunderstanding. So if you look at the public narrative it's Alisa Beta was number three or four al-Qaeda right and he he was involved in every major al Qaeda terrorist plot in the past and would have knowledge of operatives in the United States and of the next attack and after obsolete Betas captured He is interrogated. They set up a CI detention site. So He's been shot on his capture so they eventually goes to a hospital. He's being interrogated by two. FBI officers who speak Arabic. He is providing a lot of information to them. One of whom was always soften alley. Suzanne is taking care of opposite Beta taking him to the bathroom putting ice on his lips helping him through this period of time where he may actually die. There's a point in time where Abbas is incubated can't talk talk but Ali has a alphabet chart in front of him and he has obviously made a point to the letters to think about this. The framework is that Abu Beta data. Is this massive terrorist. Who will never cooperate and here? He is in a hospital unable to speak and providing intelligence to two F. B. I. Officers By pointing at letters and going through photo books. And it's there that Abu Zubaydah confirms that College Shaykh Muhammad is the person in the videotape of Osama Tom Bin Laden discussing the towers falling right. This is where I think. Assam Atlanta's didn't think they'd actually fall but they did tom and he talks about this person. Mukhtar who's off camera and Mukhtar the CIA knew at the time it's NCAA's records was a pseudonym for college. Muhammad who has been indicted in the United States for terrorism charges. Right at this point in these first few months after nine eleven. What kind of briefing happened in the Senate who was briefed? And what were they told at this point about this emerging program and this is a real lesson for legislative oversight so any any information on this program was limited to the chair and Vice Chair of the committee so just two members of the Senate Intelligence Committee the same for the House Yeah House Intelligence and Senate Intelligence Intelligence Committee just there to senior members were briefed. When I say breathe? I WANNA caveat it right away because they weren't allowed to take notes and there are very few records at the CIA. Hey of what was said at these meetings but what we did find is the records that did exist shows that they were To say they were. briefed is a bit of a joke. I mean we are engaged in an aggressive campaign against al-Qaeda which allows us to render and detain suspected terrorists for a period of time right. There's your briefing center. Underground from Florida was on the committee at the time and he was being briefed as chair and he had all these questions but his term was up. So CIA's internally discussing the fact that we went in we talked about this program very sanitized right and didn't really go into the details but Graham nonetheless had this Spidey sense for lack of a better term. That something else is going on here and he was asking really difficult questions. And this is internal discussion. Wasn't Mike Okay let's pull together a more detailed tailed briefing for Graham. It was. Let's figure out a way to wait him out right. He's almost out of office. We can do this. It's figure this out and that's what we see throughout this entire program. Senator Rockefeller at one point one in many more details on this program. He was denied details on it. So that communities were never briefed. And you know the C. I.. A. Weapon is is this to say. The committees were fully briefed on what was going on first of all. It wasn't the full committee so as chair and Vice Sharon even the chair and vice chair were grossly misled in the report itself. We Have Dick Cheney's legal adviser Sir. David Addington being misled by the CIA on details so if David Addington is being misled by the CIA. They're certainly going to mislead the chair and Vice Chair. Share of the intelligence committees on both sides on the issue of winded Bush. No and you know. When did Cheney no and now you're talking about Addington being misled? Do you know no that. It's not that they're just smarter than you that they didn't put the stuff on paper. Look these guys. Were were masters at their craft in a lot of ways to is it possible that Cheney was actually very involved and was like listen. None of this goes on any paper while we were doing this investigation. One of the stories from the agency he was. Hey we are just following orders. Right this is an art program and we asked the agency if if this is the case find us the record somewhere. where's the email now? There's not even an email discussion among people saying we were with Cheney today and he told us we have to do this it does not exist. We asked for it. It was in the sea is interest to produce it because that was part of their narrative which is just following orders with the records. Indicate is that this was a CIA program. Voice did upon the bush-cheney White House not the other way round named the figures who were running this program. All that is largely redacted. What is the role of Jose? Rodriguez for those aid. Regas was the head of the counterterrorism center. He is in the report. He played a major role his chief of staff was now the currency. I director Gina Hospital in November of two thousand five. The Senate voted to you. Basically look at all detained treatment across the US government. There had been rumors of abuse right. And the voters of course and that vote failed felt it was led by Senator Carl Levin from Michigan he thought it was really important understand what dod was doing and with the CIA was doing detainees the very next day EH. Jose Rodriguez and his chief staff. Send a cable to a offsite location to destroy the interrogation videotapes of Abu Zubaydah. Waited which were done And a man named Abdallah regime on a sheree. But you're done two thousand two and what's really important to know is after two thousand to the. CIA was actively actively seeking to destroy those tapes and they went to the CIA director at the time this Tenet and then it was Porter Goss and they said we want to get rid of these tapes. Both tenant and Gaza Says No. You can't do it. John Rizzo who was acting general counsel the CIA said. You cannot destroy these tapes. But I'll go to the White House and I'll ask them. I'll go to the Department of Justice and ask them and the message always came back. You cannot destroy these tapes so after that vote in the Senate. Jose Rodriguez asked his chief of staff to drive a cable. And just screw it. We're going to do what we want. And they sent a cable to this off site for destruction those tapes and what was unique about this cable is typically. I mean if you're in the office environment and you're you're announcing policy decision you have a two line to four or five people and then you're CC. Line is all the lawyers all the policy people. There's forty people in the email same thing with CIA cables in this case it was just too that detention site and it wasn't until a cable came back from the site that said the ninety plus videotapes of torture have been destroyed now. Those people seed everyone appropriate all the lawyers all the higher ups ups. And that's when the general counsel of the CIA learns that they're destroyed and they go crazy because they know the Bush Whitehouse and Department of Justice. Said you cannot destroy these tapes. So what are they do they cover it up until Mark Mazzetti of the New York Times writes a front page article in December of two thousand seven which says the CIA destroyed torture. Tapes launches our investigation of the Senate. It launches a criminal investigation by Michael Mukasey at the Department of Justice. This is the Bush Department of Justice. They launch a criminal probe of the CIS destruction tapes. Eventually they put a guy named John. Durham in charge of that. Durham's investigation goes all the way to August August. Two thousand twelve right just months before we submit are largely our final draft of the report. And they don't bring any criminal charges and they say they looked at ninety ninety nine detainees. Of course we found there was at least one hundred nineteen and what we are GonNa do is we're going to recommend that the CIA hold to individuals accountable. There's two people the a most culpable for destruction. These tapes and those people are Jose Rodriguez and Gina Hospital at the time. There's a man at the CIA named Mike like morale who becomes acting director. At one point he was also in charge of the CI's response to the Senate. He is tasked by the CIA director to create an Accountability Accountability Board for Gina. has-been Jose Rodriguez and Mike Morell said. I'm not going to set up an accountability board for Genus. Jose Rodriguez. I'm GonNa do this myself. And he takes. Jose Rodriguez out for a beer and describes how this is going to go down. Jose Rodriguez gets a letter in his file. Continues to work for the agency and Gina. Hospital is let off absolutely free win. According to the documents that you've that you reviewed winded the program. And the last detainee we have records for was a detaining named Mohammed Rahim in two thousand seven Muhammad Rahim team is captured and brought to CIA custody is entire time NCAA custody Mohammed Rahim produced zero zero intelligence reports. Not One. It's hard to imagine not getting one piece of intelligence and Mohammad Rahim went through multiple rounds of of these enhanced interrogation techniques so two weeks on nothing and then additional two weeks and they kept trying to theorize on ways they could get muhammed regime to talk using these torture tactics and eventually Mama team says you know you can kill me. I'm just not going to talk to you right and in fact I want you to kill me and at this point. It's two thousand seven. The agency says we should probably take a look at this program. This is the first time to see. I conducted a real internal review of the program and N.. Data side that basically. There's no evidence that these torture techniques worked and that there's a lot of evidence that they produced false answers and her basically ineffective active and they make a recommendation to the by the way these are. CIA officers senior officers. And they say we should use report building techniques because that seems like the most effective in our review of records and we should ask other. US government agencies how they interrogate people and we should go to our allies and friends and ask them. What do you find most effective when you detain someone? This is the end of the program the very last detainee and this is still under the Bush administration do you. Actually I find it plausible that Bush didn't know about this until September of two thousand six. What was April to them? Six sorry when he and when he got a briefing he expressed discomfort of detainees chained to the ceiling. Going to the bathroom on themselves. That's the quote and it freaks me out because they know chained chained to the ceiling going into bathrooms elves. That's the least we do but what we know is what the CIA knows right. This is six point. Three million records of his own records regardless of what Bush knows the themselves thought Bush did not know couple data points. We have memos that were written for Bush that was going to talk about waterboarding and techniques. We see all the drafts of the memo. First waterboarding taken out by the lawyers saying this not talk about that. And then we see the other terra Gatien techniques taken out of the next draft of the memo and then we see another memo written. which is we do really tough techniques? Were still harder than law enforcement. But they're legal. Don't don't worry and then the next decision is they'll be no briefing of the president. None of those drafts get to the president. Condoleeza Rice is told there will be no briefing George Tenant is interviewed by his own inspector general and tenant says he has never spoken to the president about this program porter. Goss says I have never never spoken to the President about this program. Now of course President Bush's book says that he did know about the Interrogation tactics and that he personally personally approved them. What's really interesting? Is John Rizzo. Who was the acting director? Then later wrote a book himself and he calls President Bush. A Real stand-up guy. And this it tells you everything you need to know about the CIA by the way and he says President Bush is a real stand up guy because he didn't know anything about what we were doing in that program and yet he took responsibility for it and he defended the agency. Barack Obama wins the election in two thousand eight and he names Leon Panetta Aneta as his first CIA director. What are the first moves Leon? Panetta makes well. It's clear at this point that there is going to be an expansive investigation of the size detention interrogation program. We the Senate Intelligence Committee had launched an investigation two thousand seven in the destruction tapes. Leon Panetta does what I think any director would do. He's new to this. He wasn't at the agency during the interrogation program. President Obama ends the program within days of coming into office and this Senate. Intelligence investigation is gearing up to be one of the largest investigations in the I ever and Leon Panetta doesn't want to be surprised. Christ so he sets up his own internal study group right. He does a parallel investigation into the documents that the Senate is receiving these six point. Three million pages of records Kurds. He sets up a parallel group of officers of highly decorated. Ci obsers to go through the same records to write a report for him on what the Senate might eight find. And what's important about the Panetta Review which we call this is it came largely to the same conclusions as the Senate investigation in some ways. It's far more harsh. As as I mentioned the Senate was very conservative but what we included in that report. We couldn't find multiple documents if we weren't one hundred percent. Sure the facts. It did not go in that seven thousand page report but but I always thought you know Panetta and the agency was smart they would have put out that review ahead of the Senate and said this program happened. We've learned lessons. This is what we're going to do to make sure it never happens again. And and I don't know what the Senate student over there but we gotta control of her own ship instead. They bury their internal report and they attack. Ours is being factually inaccurate. Describe the way that the Obama Administration treated you viewed your investigation. Did they help it. They hinder it first of all. Let's let's talk about the August. Two Thousand Fourteen speech by President Obama August twenty. Fourteen is when A redacted version of our report was provided back to the Senate for Release Ace and the White House believed that the Senate was just going to accept whatever they redacted and release it. Was That Day With the anticipation that the Senate would release ridiculously ridiculously blacked out and report. That Obama said we tortured some folks. We tortured some folks and a lot of people will remember that speech largely for that statement. But what people don't remember is the next few lines. which is you know I? It's important for us not to Feel too you sanctimonious. In retrospect about the tough job that those folks at and a lot of those Were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots and to me that was this the biggest Gut Punch not only to the Senate who was on a bipartisan basis. Working to get the truth out of this program. It was a punch in the gut to all the C. I.. Officers who left the CIA who left this program program who went through appropriate channels. Who went to the zone inspector general and said the CIA is engaged in war crimes and of course the White House was always always a basically standing in front of us on the last two years of trying to complete that report and get it out they let the agency go out there and make false claims about the report itself and then they fought the Senate tooth and nail again on a bipartisan basis? To fight the release this report. What relationship to John Brennan have to the torture program and the CIA? During that Era John Brennan held some very senior leadership roles during the primaries executive director of the agency during during the program and certainly was aware of it. That's the number three guy at at. Ci and Brian Maintains that he objected to the program. But we had six point three million pages of records and and we looked for that right. We look for some sign of could be text message people saying Hey John Brennan said today. He's against this program could be an email. John Brennan sent. We couldn't find find any evidence and we really wanted to find it. I just wanted to confirm that. And in fact he was Slated to be Obama. CIA Director Right off the bat in that first term but his nomination was effectively killed by Democrats in the Senate not the Republicans but by Democrats in the Senate and the central concern. Concern was Brennan and the question of torture and the CIA. Absolutely am that time the Senate thought it would be a terrible idea to reward award somebody who has knowledge of this torture program and elevate them to be. CIA Director and for Obama to nominate them just just seemed a crazy but of course John Brennan stays in the White House in a non Senate confirmed position where he becomes the overlord. And and Ryan is the guy who has shepherding in the new era of expanded drone drone strikes. So he does his time there in the Non Senate confirmed position and then things settled down a bit and the next time around Obama puts him up and he largely we just sales through his confirmation and become director at that point a draft of the Senate report had been provided to the CIA and John Brennan was asked very pointedly. Have you read the report. And what do you think. And he said I've read it and now I don't know what the facts are. It's very disturbing. You know. It sounds ZIP. He's echoing. I'm with you your report. Meant something and I'm guessing. Senators were thinking. Maybe John Brennan's the guy who can make CIA reckon with the use of torture. Of course he wasn't. I think it bears repeating what happened as you were investigating this for the Senate what the CIA did on domestic mastic soil to the investigator from the very body set up to oversee the CIA under a democratic administration with a Democratic nominee of director so caroline rolling crafts is nominated to be the general counsel the CIA during that nomination hearing a real mind. Mark Udall senator from Colorado acknowledges acknowledges for the first time publicly about this internal. CIA review called the Panetta Review. Senator Udall opened up his statement. This way saying the CIA as is leaking information in newspapers saying that the Senate report is factually inaccurate. It's never going to be released. Because of all the factual errors and he says. I don't think that's true true because hey I've gone through the records I've gone through the documents but also I've seen your internal review and it appears this review which which was initiated by former director. Panetta is consistent with intelligent committee's report but amazingly it conflicts with the official CIA response response to the committee's report in if this is true it raises fundamental questions. About why a review the conducted internally years ago and never are provided to. The committee is so different from the sea is formal written response to the committee study. I think you can. You can see the disconnect there and it sent shockwaves through the agency that we had this internal review see I had conducted and we knew what they had found the CIA freaks out and they decide to go through through the Senate's computers to find out. How many versions of this document existed? They went through our emails. There's evidence that they entered the room. This is spying on Americans and the argument is well. We had to protect our computer system. Will this was the Senate computer system. Eventually the inspector general finds out about this the sky's own internal watchdog finds out about it and within. I WanNa say it's within twenty four hours. They make a criminal referral to the Department of Justice saying we believe the CIA. I has violated the law by searching these computers and going into computers. Unlawfully this is response is to make a criminal them over for all against the Senate staff saying Oh no it's not us who broke the law. It's the Senate staff and basically accused us of hacking into the CIA has computers to obtain this Panetta Review and they maintain this is perhaps the most laughable argument John Brennan maintains that we were never authorized authorized to have that document it was a draft document. We requested every document in the sea is possession related the detention interrogation program. What could be more relevant? Haven't to a Senate investigation. Then the sea is own internal investigation into the same program. Second argument is that it's a draft document so therefore we should have it. You may remember. We were talking earlier about the briefings that were scheduled for the president. One of the most effective tools for understanding what was going on was to see one document. Two hundred drafts of that document. How it changed right Bush was going to be told about the waterboard? They'd limited that. I mean of those six point three million pages maybe half or more where draft draft documents. And let's not forget. What dependent review is? It's a damning argument against the size torture program that identifies it as ineffective that identify. CIA officers misleading the Bush administration. That's what they're trying to suppress. What's it like for you when you see John Brennan on TV as a commentator about about the lawlessness of the trump administration? You know people are both good and bad and make good decisions and bad decisions. So that's one there but I'm appalled at John Brennan Mike Morale Porter Goss any of these individuals. Phil Mudd are on television. Talking about the intelligence agence community and people view them Michael Hayden right people view them as upstanding citizens who we can trust. There's an entire pedic's to the executive summary. The report of Michael Hayden have his testimony to the committee on the left hand. Side is what he says on the right hand side is the truth when Michael Hayden is told this is a really important part of the Senate report when he is told. We've got a problem. We've told the Department of Justice the White House and Congress that we've never had more than one hundred detainees. Somebody comes to Michael. Hayden says. Listen we found more. There's at least one hundred twelve probably a ton more than that. What should we do? Michael Hayden says we've always had less than one hundred detainees. Pick a date when this program began. We've always had less Michael Hayden's on television as it does an anti-trump or whatever he's a darling. Erling of these These television stations as if he is a guy that with integrity I do believe integrity is a scarce resource and when you fail to show integrity. There is some accountability accountability in that. Accountability is sorry. Can't be commentator on television anymore as someone who provides truthful answers to the American people unless you explain what was happening back then and none of them have confronted allies. They've told the American people or the President Department justice or Congress. Is it your sense that the best way to prevent this this from happening again would have been to hold those who were directing it and carrying it out accountable including through criminal prosecution Russian under threat of imprisonment. I think people should have lost their jobs at the very least. Maybe you're not nominated to be director but maybe you're now in charge of the parking rush to CIA right. There needs to be some form of accountability. And let me be clear. This is a massive CIA problem. But I think it's also a massive societal program. The same Senate Intelligence Committee Committee that produced this report that fought tooth and nail to get it released and said this must never happen again. The same Senate Intelligence Committee that did that confirmed confirmed Gina Hospital director. Who knows better about this program then that committee and they went ahead and confirmed genus? Bill to me that's inexcusable. I'm no longer in the Senate so I can say that. But the fact that you'd have members who voted for that report who knew the details and then years later say okay. You've said you'll never do it again. What do you mean you'll never duty? It was found to be ineffective unlawful. And that you lied to the White House Department Justin Congress about it. Of course you're never going to do it again. Danny Jones. I WanNa just as as a person in this country I want to thank you for not giving up and for everything that you did and I hope one day that we all can read those seven thousand pages that you and your colleagues worked so hard to produce so that the truth would be known. Thank you thank you. Daniel Jones was the lead investigator for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. And Its probe into this as a program. His work on this still classified seven thousand page report is the subject of the new feature film. The report directed by Scott Z burns. That film is now on Amazon and it was produced in part by topic studios which is part of the intercepts parent company. I looked media. Daniel Jones is now the president of the Penn quarter group be on the lookout for an extended version of this interview with Daniel Jones on an upcoming special bonus episode of intercepted it while the CIA torture program began in the immediate aftermath of the nine eleven attacks six months of the. US public learned nothing about the tactics being used until images began to leak to the media. Portraying the torture of prisoners at Abu. Ghraib Abe in Iraq the CIA tactics that have been developed and implemented through the use of two crooked psychologists for use by agency interrogators at black sites. It's around the world quickly found their way to the torture chambers at the Abu Ghraib prison the images of the torture remains some of the most enduring from the US S. ocupation even to this day now nearly seventeen years after the invasion of Iraq began the country and its US created system of governance. Vernon's is facing. Its most serious political uprising. Since October first Iraq has seen sustained protests against the political elite and the system system. These protests forced the resignation of Prime Minister Abdel Mahdi and have called into question whether this system created after the invasion will even survive live what is perhaps most significant is that these protests cut across the sectarian divides that the United States openly and actively encouraged in Iraq. They've also targeted all for intervening in Iraq including Iran which has become increasingly powerful in Iraq. Over the past seventeen years hundreds of Iraqis have been killed since early. October and many thousands have been wounded. Seems clear that these protesters are determined to fight until the system is overhauled in watching the events out of Iraq. It's essential that we understand the role that foreign powers including the US have played in creating creating the conditions that sparked these uprisings. I'm joined now by riot. Jarar and Iraqi-born human rights activist and writer ride welcomed intercepted. Thank you for having me walk us through what these protests are about and the political context so a couple of months ago in early October October. This use apprising started in Iraq of Iraqis from different backgrounds Sunnis and Shiites could sink Christians Who in a way out revolting against the foundation of the political regime that was installed in Iraq in two thousand take? The coalition forces did not come to colonize Iraq. We came to overthrow despotic regime. That we've done now. Our job is to turn and help. The Iraqi people regain control of their own destiny to help the Iraqi society rebuild on the basis of individual liberties respect for the rule of law and respect for each other. The protests actually came as a surprise surprised the political elite in Iraq most of the protesters Iraqi use the mostly kids who came to AIDS after two thousand they would not see the on the political mapped. No one really saw them. No one cared about them. And no one understood stood what they want so revolting against sectarianism that ruling system that was installed in two thousand and three is based on six Damian affiliations but additions are picked based on this date in affiliation and that also revolting against foreign intervention and the most interesting thing about this wave of protests is that there are Shia Iraqis who are protesting mostly also against Iran that Sydney Iraqis. Who are brought this thing most against the US but all of them a Protestant against all old interventions coming into the country so it's actually an a new political movement at this cross sectarian criticizing sizing the interventions that coming from anywhere whether those interventions came from Iran the US or other neighboring counties? Then not only asking for one person to step down as not asking for a few tweaks in this regime to make it more. Sustainable the really asking for a political revolution they want to change the fundamentals concept of governance in Iraq to go to a place where Iraq is not governed based on as Tidiane Ism not govern based on bought these affiliations with foreign. What's but rather a governed by by an Iraqi government that's prioritizes Iraqis and what they want? Protests are peaceful. We are taking to the streets to take our writes back. We will never surrender neither today tomorrow nor even after one year when when we are protesting. We don't ain't dirtier destroyed streets. Our goal is to switched our demands and to live in a home with peace and security God willing and with the determination of our brothers. The protesters will achieve our aspirations. We're university students students. We left college and joined the protesters God willing. We will have success the system that was created while the US was still very intensely ensler. Occupying Iraq necessitated that the president of Iraq The head of the parliament that there had to be dissect -Tarian Division of who would hold old. What Post and as you point out? This truly cuts across all sectarian lines. As far as we can tell if you actually go through. What's what's happened? Since two thousand entry that has been a division in Iraq that is more political than dictating but the US media and other regional powers have exaggerated and focused on this acadian divisions. But if you actually go back to two thousand and three the exact ZAC Today inside the Shia community existed. You have national cheese followers of Qatada Who mostly are not affiliated with Iran and Iraq who aren't affiliated with Iran so the the division existed all along from two thousand three and the exact same division existed within the Sunni communities as well the same division exists also within AH could dish community in Iraq and Christians and others many analysis from the early two thousand and three pointed to these divisions and pointed to the fact that the US and Iran were only working with Sydney's and she has an Kurds and others who were closer to the Sectarian Ryan side closer to them pro foreign intervention end of the spectrum? And they're not working with Cindy's and Shiites Kurds who who were more on the nationalist anti interventionist side you mentioned in passing Moqtada Al Solder but I think it's worth it to just kind of pause for a second second remind people of who taught Al solder is and just by way of a little bit of brief background Muqtada. Al Khader is a very important Shiite religious figure in Iraq. He was in exile in Iran but has a very complicated tense relationship at times with Iran his father and two of his brothers others in the late nineteen nineties were assassinated by henchmen of Saddam Hussein. And when the US invaded Iraq Muqtada AL solder her and his Mahdi Army stepped in and built social programs. They took control of a huge slum where the overwhelming majority of the residents were Shiite's and It was called Saddam City under Saddam Hussein. And it was sort of a meant as a collective punishment of Shiite and then later it became came known as solder city but explain who sadder is in the current context of these protests that is the individual. And then there is the SA- thrust movement millions of Iraqis delong to this social and religious and cultural movement movement the tend to be more Iraqis who are disadvantaged. And they also tend to be very nationalist Iraqis and they are very critical of Iran especially that Iran's intervention has been supporting elitist I pro Iranian Shiite in the selves so the criticisms back in two thousand and city in two thousand and four ten into violent clashes rushes a few years ago and now we're living the highest tensions of this internal conflict. That is exactly exactly the conflict that existed in two thousand and three when the US end the Iran supported some video limited groups of Succession Elitist Shia. Who are tolerant or reliant on the US Ron for their existence? Many people see the suggests. It's as a leading fraction in Iraq. That is moving forward with this uprising. And they're working very closely with with Sunnis and Christians and others from other parts of the country to set this new tone of a across sectarian or nonsectarian sick -tarian movement that would fresh out the current government to completely change the foundations of its Governance and we're talking about the constitution or electoral law in Iraq. Not only changing one prime minister and and getting another one from the same. Small selection of Cou- dropped political elite in the Green Zone win the US invaded and occupied Iraq. The mentality of the people that were sent to run that occupation today. It's my honor to announce that Jerry Bremmer agreed to become the presidential envoy to Iraq. Selecting Jerry Bremmer. Our country will be sending one of our best citizens since he's a man with enormous experience people like L. Paul Bremmer and others who set up. The Coalition Provisional Authority was to see Iraq entirely through a over-simplified lens of sectarian divide that Shia Sunni and Kurds three distinct groups and that they must be separated and that the United States needs to view them as specific entities. When in reality Iraq had a very strong secular tradition? There was a great deal of intermarriage but the point I'm getting at is once. They hit the ground. The United States hit the ground. There they have the CIA and veterans of US dirty wars in Central America from the nineteen eighties setting up militias that were organized around sectarian lines. And you essentially had a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign in Baghdad and elsewhere where the United States was openly actively at times covertly but generally out in the open supporting murderous death squads who had the goal of cleansing Baghdad of Non Shia. That is exactly what happened in two two thousand three when the US and US allies invaded Iraq and came up with this sectarian vision for the future Iraq. They overlooked the fact. That Iraq was a very mixed country. You mentioned intimate details ages. You know I I am the product of one of these images. I'm half Sydney and Xiang. The majority of my sanity is is also half-and-half as soon as she had lived in the same neighborhoods. They have the same less names. Have accents this. Eat the same. Food and Iraq was not divided along sectarian lines so the US came in with this. Divide and conquer Series of attacking Iraq into Six Damian an ethnic enslaves the sectarian militias affiliated with the ruling. Party's AH was that. They were sending or Shia Christian or could they did the did the job of moving Iraq from a country that was demographically aggressively mixed to new Iraq that is indeed separated. Millions of Iraqis kicked out of their homes by sectarian militias. Let's assume needs kicked out. She has she s kicked out Cindy's and we ended up with newly formed Sydney neighborhoods and Shia neighborhoods in Iraq. I've lived in Iraq in Nineteen Ninety S. It was indeed bloody dictatorship but it was not now that changed dramatically after he doesn't see this muted. GM sees Iraq almost exclusively from a sectarian violence and ethnic dance dance. And that's one of the main things that Iraqis have been devolved against. Is this foundational concept of Canadian. Division's I think the majority of Iraqis according to public opinion polls still to this day oppose sectarian divisions agents opposed the concept of sectarian quotas or locations in government opposed the idea of six Damian and claves and sectarian the nation in Iraq that is based on people's ethnic and civilian backgrounds. What's classic colonialism? WanNa one I mean it's it's like it's Pico. Oh it's all the divide and conquer it's in the interest of us. Britain and other world powers to have a divided Iraq not a unified Iraq that has control over a significant Amount of oil and has a geographically very significant position in the world. If you are a major world power you're right. One of the main negatives for the ruling parties the last fifteen or sixteen years since two thousand and three was that this regime is not Saddam and Saddam was a bad guy and we ought not Salaam and whomever could size them was accused of being a Saddam and the Baptist now for this generation that is revolting in the last couple of months it rocky kids who never lived on the southbound that negative does not cut it anymore you can't just be and not Saddam to survive in Iraq in two thousand and nineteen and that's why the whole thing to say you ought not good in us and we deserve but we deserve to live in a country that is not just run by a political elite reliant on the US Iran one of the top three countries in the entire warmed Iraqis sell one hundred billion dollars of oil every year and and they have no basic services in the country so I think that this revolution the age divide is important because of that comparison with the form of dictatorship another significant figure that has played a role in this situation and ads played an increasingly powerful role in the post host American invasion period. That we are still living in now is the Grand Ayatollah Ali. Al Sultani. Explain just briefly. Why he's important? Horton particularly the Shiites in Iraq. And what his position has been throughout the years following the US invasion. Sustaining has a lot of influences. The the most influential actor the number one Shiite etta law with the number of follow us on the world to a Kid Omar attornal Donald Hall. We confirm again that attacks against peaceful protesters are forbidden as well as them being prevented from having the right to demand reforms we also confirmed that attacking private and public property is ridden and it. Property should not be left to be attacked by infiltrators and their allies. So one of the things that has been going on in the last a couple of months is that there are unprecedented criticisms to sustaining that. I have actually never had in my entire life. Coming from Iraqi Shiite youths who are seeing this Shiite leadership in Jeff is not representing representing the best of Iraq's interest and the she added the ship in nature should not be running the country politically. We need a divide between the clergy and and the state and whether or not we like sustaining. He shouldn't be calling the shots. So this is something that is also a critical point of what Iraqs wants to say and what they want to see in their country they do not want to see a country that is run by clergy a country the word and La aw decides whether the prime minister should design or not they do want to live in a country were that is a healthy separation between the mosque and state. I had the news in the next couple of weeks that there were protests around sustained his house in Jeff that you know that our armed forces surrounding the house to protected from Iraq us from getting there you know we all know that the Iranian onion consulates in Katyn initiative what attacked multiple times and burned the militias that are pro Iran political parties up toward Iran. What under attack? So I think that the physical Surrounding now of Stanley's house is another sign of what the Iraqi Shia. What did mood is I? Don't think the big fans of Or any other religious leadership initiative nowadays right and just for people who maybe don't follow this closely or aren't aware of this. History Nausea often carbon are two of the most important religious sites in Shia Islam on the planet and you had even under Saddam's government you had a steady stream stream of pilgrims coming from Iran Iran in the aftermath of the. US invasion really came in and took over huge parts of the the economy took over. Huge political factions in Iraq began promoting individuals that they thought would be good for Iranian interests in the country and for Iran's consulate in Najah to be torched and burnt to the ground is an incredible political moment especially the given that we know it was burned down by Iraqi. Shia I think it's an incredible moment. Because it signifies an Iraqi uprising ising against foreign dimensions and if someone in the US administration wants to use that to absolve the US from responsibility not or tried to blame Iran for more of the violence. That's going on in Iraq that is not accurate the same people who are to the sizing ising Iran and torching Iranian consulates in a different curbing and shutting down Iranian border crossings. It also criticizing the US to the same level. If that more that says Israel to the same level of more there for the sizing Saudi Arabia and and Turkey and other reports have been messing with their country to the same level of not more. I was in see what happened in the south as they can an untitled Toronto flu season. It is truly an anti intervention revolution and it is a spectacular moment because what Iraqis are saying. Is that this this corrupt regime. That is one hundred percent reliant on foreign powers. It's reliant on Iran. Telling them what to do. It's the giant on the US giving them money the and weapons and telling them what to do and other general of sending them to do that. This team does not belong in Iraq and Iraqis want is at a team that is reliant and accountable to the states and to the messes Etta James Wants to please Iraqis and provide them with basic services. Such has walked up electricity and education until skittish rather than taking Billions of dollars today. Private bank accounts in Switzerland. And what what about the spend the rest of the year outside of Roger Hour. We're going to leave it there. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you appreciate ride. Gerard is an Iraqi-born human rights activist and writer ten today show. We wanted to share a new song from a friend of the PODCAST. The Iraqi Canadian rapper educator and director. Yacine Al Salman better known as Narsey amid the protests in Iraq nursey composed this song from the perspective of Iraqi's on the ground and he says that quote English Tehrik speak directly to the international media and Governments about their silence. Here is bigger than Bagdad. aw additional Quinta. A hip had a worked for the guy who took to the coffee. Messiah China to is a giant. Hoya What I don't get down combined that what I I hear the international silence science and history contrived to Nias seven Messiahs power supply Salaya burning everything in the Middle East? We move uh-huh in that was yeah. Seen Elsamman better known as Narsey. His new song song and music video is simply called bigger than Baghdad. And that does it for this week's show. You can follow all of us on twitter. We're at intercepted. You can also follow us on Instagram at intercepted. podcast if you like what we do on this program you can support our show by going to the intercept dot dot com slash support and pick up a brand new intercepted. T. Shirt you can do that for a contribution of ten dollars a month. You can also become a sustaining member and keep this show going. Intercept is production of first look media and the intercept are leave producer Jack to Doro our producer Laura Flynn at least swain is our associate she a producer and graphic designer. Betsy Reid is editor in Chief of the intercept Rick Quan mixed the show transcription for this program is done by Nudie Marquez Martinez. Our are music as always was composed D._J. Spooky until next time. I'm Jeremy Scahill.

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