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Yes. Yes. Welcome into another dish, the mckernan show on the inside of steel podcast network. I'm your host Timothy Michael McCartney. We're in the hormone expert dot com studios, and it's questions from the audience day. And I love questions from the audience day as I say every time we have questions from the audience day. It's just me in the microphone Jack just me in the microphone, Jack and got some good questions today. So I'm looking forward to getting into them. And and I guess for those of you because it seems like the the vast majority of the questions that I get are kind of Saint Louis region Centric and both of these questions that we are going to attempt to Akyl today are Saint Louis region Centric, so for those of you who like that. That's what you will get this my opinion inevitably it will lead to some Banti ISM it in. And I think we'll get Bantea some from quote unquote, both sides, although I'm not necessarily talking about democrat Republican. I'm just kind of talking about like factions of Saint Louis so to speak so it's a no win play. But that's that's fine. I'm essentially a gentleman who exists in my base. -ment? So these are my opinions, and it doesn't mean that I want to attack you if you don't share my opinions, although I imagine I'll get attacked because you don't share mine, but that's the nature of the piece sometimes and social media and impersonal conversations via Email. So it goes either way I'm glad that we have the opportunity to discuss them and in do so in an unfiltered manner, and it's all provided because people like Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com who sponsors the podcast and has since the very beginning. Thank you Ryan Kelly. Thank you for making this podcast possible podcast. That has doing interviews with what I would say are pretty big name guests in the Saint Louis area and even beyond Saint Louis this week and last week of the rare to part of the first ever to partner with young page views, a Saint Louis native, Ben Freedman of barstool, and and coming up Wesley bell, the newly elected Saint Louis prosecuting attorney, Dan, dear door, the pro football hall of Famer slash broadcaster. Along with a bunch of interviews here with it at this point. We've talked with damn near everybody that I've wanted to talk to and we started the thing, you know, ranging from governor Jay Nixon Senator Jack Danforth Bill the wit, Tom Stillman two hall of famers. Whether they be members of the cardinals or blues or soon to be hall of famers in the case of members of the St Louis Rams with Isaac Bruce. So the producers of the program have done an incredible job. And we have those for you every Sunday night. And then we have the questions from the audience on Wednesdays. And then the pick six podcast, which is our football picked podcast. And even though I kind of you this the podcast is like, yeah, we're just guessing and flipping coins, and hitting I gotta tell you something not because it's me. But because I've got a guy who legitimately studies the stuff I'm like sixty one percent. I think against the spread. And I went six in this past week and producer. Joe went six and this past week and even g unit and now. There is a fade g unit t shirt out there. He went four and two. So now inevitably what's going to happen. Now is that we're on this heater of going a combined show sixteen in two and Joe, and I go a combined twelve know that we will have a disastrous weekend coming up, but Joe's like fifty six or seven percent against the spread. Now, sixty sixty one percent against the spread. That's that's really good. But again, I want to make it clear. I got credit my guy because I you know, one of my picks was Kansas against Kansas state this past weekend. I wouldn't know the first thing about picking Kansas. But hey, he's been on it. God bless him guys on a heater. So anyway, there's the schedule here on the Tim mckernan show. And now we're doing a hot stove show with Dan McLaughlin once a week. It's a separate project. But you can watch it on Facebook live, and you can watch it on periscope on Twitter, and we'll do that twice a week starting in spring training. But once a week now through the end of January and with this off season having so much anticipation and some. Anxiety. I think for cardinal fans. I think it's a good thing that we're going to be doing this because there seems to be news throughout the course of the off season, and Dan, and I will be able to break it down and chats with people on Facebook live and on periscope. So follow the hot stove show on Twitter with me, and Dan McLaughlin, and you could follow it also on Facebook. And that's where you'll be able to watch it. Plus, we put the podcasts of each one of our episodes up on our respective podcasts. Mind, the one you're listening to the Tim Kernan show in Dan's scoops with Danny MAC. So that's what we got going on. In addition to a week from Friday night the night after thanksgiving Friday night, Dan, McLaughlin, and I have a sweet for the blues and predators game. Now that Friday night after thanksgiving is always a pony in Saint Louis because people come town for the holiday weekend. And so now, you can hang out in a sweet. And we what we have is an all inclusive setup. We have a private bartender our own personal bartender. We have gourmet food it starts ninety minutes before the game. And and we have a suite for the blues and for the predators. 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And ideally, some of your friends looking forward to that. So get your tickets at event, bright dot com. And in addition, I should make make note of this. That were in the Ryan Kelly homeowner expert dot com studios, and you know, I know James Carlton's been a sponsor for the the the very beginning of the the show, and that's great. It's lovely to have sponsors because without sponsors. We don't have a show. But the thing that I would wanna point out to people is this that I have made the switch to James Carlton. And so therefore now I can speak to you from a firsthand experience with James Carlton state farm insurance agent three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or online at Carlton insurance dot net. And so I got together with James now that I've switched to him, and this is just a personal anecdote, but it conveys how good he is at his job were sitting there having lunch, and this is just last week not even a week ago. And and he brings a bunch of notes. He said, listen, he goes, you really have good coverage. But you're missing one thing. And he told me what it was. I don't know if I should go into what it was not a huge deal. What does he didn't have it? But you know to go into any os. I really think that you ought to you ought to get this. And here's why and he laid it out. And I'm what I was thinking was well, yeah, you're right. I should. But what I was thinking is. Wow. I can't believe that. I didn't have this coverage. And that is why James is different than everybody else. He is an active partner as your insurance agent. I think I would imagine almost everybody listening has an insurance agent. But it's probably somebody, you know. And you just kind of like, yeah. I gotta get insurance was a matter. You know? But here's the difference with him. It's it's the service. It's the knowledge of the industry and just that right there. I switched for a reason. And it wasn't like, hey, I'll advertise if you switch to me. It was I I've seen him in an action he handled one thing force, and it was handled. So well that I thought my responsibilities to my wife and my son. I gotta do what's best for us. And not, you know, just stick with somebody's. Because that's what we've been doing forever in James is gonna put us in a better spot. And that's why we did it is number three one four nine six hundred forty one hundred or go online at Carlton insurance dot net, James Carlton, if your insurance costs a leg and arm, then call James Carlton state farm. All right. Two topics today. And I'm looking forward to getting into the both even though I am -ticipant a negative reception to either or both of them. But so so it goes, it's what what's what I really think. And so that's what I will say one thing is is more of a fan page thing. Because. It got into our Q and A, which if you haven't listened to as I said it's on. It's it's one of the podcasts here on the Tim occur and show the Tim occuren- endemic Laughlin QNA presented by bud slick with John Zarrella in this gentleman road on the fan page. I'm usually a lurker, but I have a mini rant based on the discussion about the lack of Lambert flights being a possible small contributor players not signing with the cardinals. And this was in reference to what John Zarrella said he talked about the airport being an issue specifically. And I think in a way it was kind of like a throwaway comment, but he did say that it would help if there were more direct flights, and there was a reaction from the audience when he said it kind of like laughter and like, oh, man. I can't believe he said that. And this gentleman says I've heard this lack of direct flights. Brought up a number of times over the years on the show. With regard to your average person flying. Does don't get this complaint at all in the past few years? I flown direct. And then he. This a number of cities where are these mysterious cities that people can't get a direct flight to hate on Lambert main terminal you want for being a ghost town late at night from what I can tell south west is thriving here. Opening more and more gates in terminal two, and they have a ton of direct flight options are people just dead set on flying American or something and then get upset when they don't have a direct somewhere. They wanna go or they booking last minute. And the director sold out to the TV networks force employs take the cheapest possible flight option, which ends up being the one with two layovers direct. I just don't get the complaint otherwise. So I appreciated the way he phrased it because he you know, I mean, so many times we're talking about a topic. We don't know so much, and I think when you're coming from a place of seeking an answer or seeking information. Your question will be received better if it doesn't come off with some kind of what you usually see on social media. No at all. And then like an attack on either a person or. P a group of people who have one view that you don't particularly share. So I appreciate that. And is somebody who with both TMA, but I guess more. So with this podcast have been who's been lucky enough to interview, you know, government leaders in the area. It's a conversation. That's come up a few times here on the show regarding Lambert. I I know recently, I can't recall with whom but I feel like I can picture the person the privatization of Lambert, certainly being a topic. But Lambert is was Joe Straus may rest in peace when a his favorite topics. So here, here's where I know that I'll lose some people. But but it comes from a good place. And then I'll then I will give you my a response to what the gentleman wrote because I spent a good amount of time on it, even though I know it won't be received real well in L explain why don't think it will be received. Well, so here. For whatever reason. And I don't know why this is, but the way things are at this particular moment in Saint Louis history, and it is in my opinion, substantially different than thirty years ago. And then if you wanna take thirty years off that and then go back into the fifties substantially different from where Saint Louis was we're in a weird spot because as I've said a number of times, I would by Saint Louis if it were a stock at this point, and there's two ways to take that in both ways apply to my statement. You don't buy stock. When you think it's value is at its highest that would be a bad by you buy stock when you think it's valued its lowest, and then therefore it has implied value. And then also if you believe that the stock, of course is going to increase in value. So part of it is an acknowledgement that the stock value is low. And then also the positive is is that I think it is going to turn around in some capacity. It's in part because it can only get better. But another I just see things that I think are positives. You know, I saw an article wish I could pull it up. And maybe I can because I think that there's some value to it. And that is a list from the Brookings institute that America has many highly inclusive digital places, but fewer also inclusive of America's many highly digital places, but fewer also inclusive. These eight cities have the best tech opportunities for women minorities and workers without a college degree. And it cites a number of cities in Saint Louis is one of those cities. So my whole thing that I keep going back to with startups is the tech startups. Now, it's some people pulling out his twos. When. They take off then they relocate and leave Saint Louis, but I think that that is a very healthy situation for our region that that is considered nationally in perhaps globally something that Saint Louis bringing to the table. The other thing that I think has great values that people acknowledged now in Saint Louis, not everyone but saw MC knowledge that we have problems here. Then you have a faction of people who just go. Oh, it's just invoked hate on Saint Louis, and then just kind of dismiss it. And I would point out that at this point. If you think everything here is going great. But that's great. I just think that most people would tell you that in I'm talking about people in whether it be business or politics that that is not necessarily the case. But despite that, there's this odd thing, and it's kind of gone on over the last fifteen years or so that if you're critical of something that means you don't love it. Now, I would suggest that if you're critic. Title than that means that you care. So with regard to the specific question, this is what I what I would say. And what I did say in my response personally. I thought there were two super candid moments from John Moselle like Monday night, number one. When he said build a wit was not happy with him with regard to finishing as the bridesmaid so often with renewed a free agents and then number two when he brought up the issue with Lambert outta nowhere. Now, I've asked the question about Lambert as to why it's an issue because while it's a combination of depressing in one sense. But then like, sadly, convenient that there aren't a bunch of people around when you land in comparison to other top twenty five markets airports. It's something that gets brought up often by business travelers and people who are not from here, but who fly here now it's easier to make fun of the criticism and dismiss it because that is worked so well for us here. In Saint Louis over the last few decades as we've sword behind Indianapolis and Nashville, but in hosting a show in which we discussed the issues why they're deemed problems. And then when having these people on the show, see what they gather our solutions. It's something that I wanted to get a better idea on why it's a problem in some people's minds. So in looking into it for the average, Saint Louis who flies more for pleasure than for business. You would never really think much of it. You look at the south west schedule. That's what most people I think do at this point is that's certainly the main air airline in Saint Louis find the route with a few stops. Best departure time and least expensive fair. And then you hit click, and that's how the vast majority of non business travelers myself included travel in and out of Lambert really have for the last decade. Plus now going back to two thousand when I was working a Cam Lovie for five years, and we were travelling with the Rams and the cardinals and the blues and Missouri and Saint Louis U, and they would be in the NCAA tournament. I think if I had to go back from memory. I would tell you that I flew non southwest flights more in that five year period then southwest flights. And even though it was only thirteen years ago. It seems like a totally different era. But it was it was a totally different era. And so there were a couple of times that I can specifically recall for blues playoff trips one in the year. They win the presidents trophy in two thousand when they were playing the sharks that we had to fly through Minneapolis to get to San Jose. And then we had to in two thousand three when they were playing the Knox we had to fly through Phoenix. So we're going all the way down to rezone to get to Vancouver. And so, you know, the the those are two examples, and so yes, I realized you could certainly fly without question can fly. I don't even know where you can't fly from Saint Louis. The issue is the direct flight. The usher the other issue is the. Options so therefore from a timing standpoint and an airline standpoint. And then if you're a business traveler, or if you are an employer there are a number of people who travel so much for a living that they at that point have the ability to sit in business class refers class. Now, this is where we get into this weird thing, which will actually be my second question for questions from the audience today regarding I don't know what the right term for it is. And I know this one I'm really going to get hate on. But I feel strongly about it. So we'll talk about it, which is like this anti success sentiment, especially for young people in Saint Louis where if like you're doing well for yourself you almost have to hide it. And then the people who actually aren't doing that great. Somehow kind of go rap game on it. And then start flashing in. It's almost like ambition initiative are discouraged here. And I don't get it. And it's not by certainly everyone. It's by a sliver. But yet, I notice it, and it's an. Odd thing. Whereas like, there's a population of people in Chicago, you think about it for examples is a near example. And now, I'm being told about Kansas City, where it's like it's like encourage, and it's like, it's like the the in thing to do is to, you know, get out of college. And then like, you know, do as well as you possibly can you know, and in having an heaven certain amount of pride and trying to create or be an entrepreneur. And then if you are successful snout like you have to apologize with with a sarcastic, hashtag blessed. So so we'll get into to that element of it. But that's a factor because why well if you fly southwest there is no first class. There is no business class. And I don't personally give a damn about it. I just don't wanna middle seat myself at this point with a one year old. It's not like, I'm flying everywhere. All the time anywhere. It's it's not a big deal for me. But I'm looking at it from a regional standpoint. And that is a legitimate issue is somebody posted in this thread. Let's see this gentleman does not live in Saint Louis, but he's a Saint Louis native. And he said we have international companies in Saint Louis travel for companies like Emerson is a major major problem. But I mean, if you're going to isolate it in John Mozelle accent regarding agency, I personally am surprised to hear that. Because if you're going to sign an eight figure or nine figure contract, you're probably going to be flying out of spirit on your own plane, or at the very least on wheels up or net jets. And you're not going to be really worried about flying commercial. But if you are trying to find family in, you know, it can it can be you know, it can be quite an odyssey at times because you're probably not going to have the vast selection of non stops that you would have from other top twenty five markets. So when I laid out that case, you know, I listed the top twenty five markets in the country in in some people. And I and I say the stuff like secondhand because when you're in television as I was at the time, you know, what the the markets. Because that's what you're doing for a living. You know? So it's like, okay. When I started in Little Rock, it's market fifty seven I had an offer from Monterey, California. Also as a first job it was like Mark at one fifteen at the time Austin at the time was sixty and I would imagine or Austin Texas shooting up those rankings Saint Louis is Mark montavani said when he was in was number ten as far as market size. And this wasn't that long ago. Saint Louis is now number twenty one. But I list the top twenty five markets in the has nothing to do with airports. It's more about region's population size. And when for those of you who have traveled in these airports. It's New York L A, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Houston. Boston Atlanta, Tampa, Phoenix Detroit. Seattle Minneapolis Miami. Denver Orlando Cleveland Sacramento, Saint Louis, Charlotte. Pittsburgh Raleigh-Durham and Portland. I would imagine most of you would agree if you do travel that Saint Louis options in comparison to those other top twenty five markets would be on the low side. Side, they have multiple airports, and there are more multiple some have airports, but multiple airlines is what I meant to say. And then therefore with multiple airlines you have options than also options outside of south west you have the ability for business class. But even if you're not flying business class, and you're flying coach to not be pinned in on. I want to fly nonstop. It's got to be at six in the morning, or it's got to be an eight at night, or if I am gonna fly from Saint Louis to take your pick of not Chicago or Dallas or Lanta. I've got a stop in Chicago Dallas or Atlanta in order to get to X Y or Z again. This is not an across. The board statement is a question brought up by with John was brought up with regard to Lambert. So I went on to say those of us have been to some of these airports listed above in part one. We might say things like shit hole or Denver's airport is so far from the city but specific to what the complaint is from business travelers. Okay. That's that's I think to me the difference here. Because is is guy. Just like travelling like, okay? We're gonna go to Las Vegas for the weekend. It's like, okay whenever we fly we fly. But if it's business or if you are the actual business in your flying, your employees or your flying people to Saint Louis, it's an issue. And so even though the the original question was regarding Mozelle X question. He said the average traveler, but yes, that's the average traveler, but that's not what we're talking about here. When you're talking about what Mozelle ox bringing up the difference between these markets and Lambert Airport is the option for multiple airlines direct flights. So if you want to dig it down further, and this would fall into the category of my second question, which personally, I think hurts Saint Louis in some capacity, but for those who are able to fly first class or business class. You do not have the option on south west, which is the main carrier in and out of Lambert. And finally, you have nearly no direct international flights from Saint Louis. Like literally now that the Icelandic flight is going to be going. Away here in the next couple of months few even wanted to count that. So I'm only speaking for myself on this particular point is someone with a one year old and who travels to one of three states, and that's about it. I'm quite happy with my three hour nonstop to Las Vegas via south west or the nonstop options to West Palm Beach Fort Myers. The only other place we really goes Hilton Head, and that's just not going to be ideal. No matter where you are. Because Hilton Head is a very small airports here, either flying into Savannah, Georgia, Charleston and industry having nature of the beast, but the beast, but the criticism of Lambert is not about an individual's pleasure travel so much as it about business travel. And this is my analysis. The discussion with Mozelle lock came up when I asked him about Saint Louis being a destination for big time free agents now, so I asked the question who have been the biggest free agents to come to Saint Louis over the last few years. And I think we would agree if we're talking last few years Dexter Fowler. Now, what happened with extra Fowler? He didn't really want to come to Saint Louis per sources at least in comparison. Jason to what I think were San Francisco and Toronto as other major pursuers at the time. So Saint Louis had to give him the extra year in money to get it done after eaten at a meeting went to the national's for king's ransom. I believe that similar Christian yelich this past off season two off seasons. Go the cardinals preference was at a meeting. But then the nationals paid the White Sox and prospects of price at the cardinals. I don't think we're anticipating being the cost of getting Atta meeting. Do. I think Dexter Fowler had hesitated about Saint Louis because of the airport. No, I think for someone who's going to make nine figures or close to it. They went to live and raise their families in a city that matches the lifestyle they want for themselves and their families. And I completely understand it and for many who make that kinda money. It's going to be a coastal city or a major growing city. And that is why asked the question lock. That's why I wanted to see if like Saint Louis perceived reputation when you're digging down to do I wanna live there or not is a factor in the cardinals not landing the big name free agents over the last x. Amount of years. I never thought that the airport figured into play. So it was surprising. When Mozelle I brought it up. Now, of course, ironically with regard to Fowler. The reason that the TMA fan page broke the story that he was coming to Saint Louis is because one of the members of the fan page actually shot a picture of him in the cattle call line for a southwest flight from McCarron in Las Vegas to Lambert with regard to any solution, which is what separates the men from the boys and those on the sideline from those who dare to step in the arena, I view it as a chicken and egg discussion. In addition to our conversation on Josh Holly last month, we had lunch Jack Danforth asked me this incredibly open ended question that I made reference to earlier on a podcast, which was so what do you think of Saint Louis, and we laughed about how vague the question was. But I'm sure that was his intent make it open ended. And I expressed the same optimistic view that I shared earlier that startup companies have found a welcoming welcoming climate in Saint Louis and a young creative class. Many of whom are not from here will. Only help the region he agreed with that part. But he said it concerns him how many of the big companies have moved out of the region over the last couple of decades and talked about how not only those companies are important from a tax standpoint. But also the domino effect. It has in other words as recently as the eighties and early nineties yet people that many of our parents can cite as the people who you knew would represent Saint Louis New Yorker LA when shit was going down, and they would take care of business for Saint Louis. The name Bob Hyland is one that I'm familiar with. My dad would always bring his name up Danforth did as well at lunch, and because he made his Mark in the industry in which I work. I'm certainly familiar with his name. Although I never met them in Highland. Ran came a wax. And he was just an absolute force both at came wax in leader in Saint Louis amongst others. And that goes back to a common I often make when we have this discussion on the podcast regarding the void of leadership in the region. And it's it's a it's a rhetorical question. And I ask myself the question, but I mean, who do you think it is deal? Is it lie to Cruzan? Is it Steve stinger is it? Governor Parsons Senator blunt is it soon to be Senator Holly. I mean, you get the idea as I'm listening, those people, I don't think, and it's it I know it can come off as a shot it's not intended to be shot. But as I give those names to any of those inspire, you I mean, honestly, do they I I think in an probably in some cases, you're kind of cringing. And so there's there's there's my point the league leader doesn't have to be a politician Highland. Wasn't a politician. However, you want to have someone who gets things done and speaks on behalf of the region for the greater good in Danforth's contention is and was that Saint Louis had with these business leaders, we had leaders and now many of those businesses are gone with fewer business travellers. You have fewer flight options going back to the chicken and egg. If Saint Louis were to have what had had going as recently as thirty years ago. I'm quite certain the flight options would be better at Lambert. But it's economics. There isn't much of a demand. So there isn't a supply now specific to it impacting baseball's elite free agents, I think it wouldn't even. Crack the top ten on why they would choose the city over Saint Louis why because a fly private, but I have never run a baseball team and tried to sign require David price. Jason Heyward, Giancarlo Stanton. Or even had conversations about why they are considering another city over Saint Louis. So I have to yield Mozelle ach a person who has done at new actually brought it up and from my standpoint, the bigger issues or these two number one the amount of money the cardinals willing to put on the table and number two the individual and what the individual once in the case of the four biggest names to choose Saint Louis over the last twenty years when they could have gone elsewhere McGuire admins, Roland holiday, they all had kids and worth the latter portion of their career now, of course, most free agents are going to hit the market at that time. That's the way the system works. But for those wanting to raise a family, you often hear how great Saint Louis and on top of it. If you're looking at McGuire ninety seven Edmonds in two thousand role in two thousand two and holiday in two thousand nine the team was winning at a level that they are not now when Maguire came team was one win away from. Playing in the World Series in ninety six an Edmonds came here, and he didn't sign immediately was traded here. But then he loved that group of players in two thousand and obviously they won Rolan came here. The cardinal's gone the playoff two straight years and holiday comes here in the cardinals great team in two thousand nine but they just faltered in the postseason getting swept by the dodgers. But to get one of those players and look at a big time player choosing Saint Louis you've got to go back nearly a decade holiday. And that's why I think the free agent element of this off season is so intriguing because I think for some Saint Louis since consciously or subconsciously a big time player choosing Saint Louis over all of these other bigger cities are growing regions would be a boost for the morale of the area. It won't get us more flights out of Lambert, but it would be some form of win. And for those of us who live here, we know we have some legitimate issues. But we also have a lot to offer in the great news is there's a recognition of the problems now and a desire to actually get to work to find solutions. And that is the first step. So I welcome your thoughts on it. And I know it can lead to long emails, and when you send a long Email. I sincerely I do. I read it. I really actually enjoy reading them because almost every one of the emails that I get they're not like the kind of like motherfucker emails that you would usually get like when you write a column or something along those lines or do a podcast, even though I know that the opinion might not be popular. Because if there's one thing that can get people little upset it's criticism Saint Louis, but if it's one of our own doing it, it's more welcomed than if it's somebody who's not from here, which, you know, take it or leave it. I just believe that to be the case. So they're plenty of flights out of Saint Louis. It's just the majority of them are southwest flights. And and then it also limits nonstop, and then of course, there are no first class or business class options. So, you know, the tough thing is is then you're getting into talking about. Money and or socioeconomic economic status which then gets me to the second question. I wrote earlier in in that manifesto regarding the airport about the first class element. And and then that led to somebody writing in you said that you think that's a bad thing for Saint Louis. We pull it up. What did you mean by that? And so this is some I've talked about it with a few people. And it's a weird thing. And it's it, but it's I have to tell you. It's something I feel strongly about, but it's an odd thing. Because it I just know I just know it's an odd thing to talk about in in probably zero upside play. But it's something that I speak about often. I spoke about it when I was in my twenties. And now that I'm in my forties. I still speak about another words the goalposts don't move just because my demographic has I'm going to continue to get older unless there becomes some kind of Benjamin button phenomenon, but it's not going to change my mind on this Saint Louis is going to prosper when Saint Louis has a young in vibrant, professional community. And right now for many young professionals if they do go to college and graduate from college coming back to Saint Louis, even if they are Saint Louis natives and their families live to Saint Louis is now. Not necessarily what many want to do. It's not to say all I think you probably if you were taking like university of Missouri graduates. I would imagine the percentage would be higher. But if you go to a school outside of the Saint Louis area and just for the sake of the discussion will include Columbia, Missouri in there more often than not you will see people spend their twenties in take your pick. Chicago, certainly I would imagine it would be number one. But I would also include Denver Dallas, some New York some L as a Miami. Whatever the case might be. And so the QNA on Monday night with John was airlock after missile-like was done, Dan. And I were asked some questions one of the questions was about the S. And the reason why I am. So I don't have any so high on but excited about the LS is because so often you have a younger fan base. And it kind of becomes a social event for younger people at some. Of these MLS franchises. And listen, I love the cardinals the cardinals Hawaii got into broadcasting. But I mean, you know, if you if you do watch other games in baseball in compare the crowd at Busch stadium to you know, certainly Wrigley field would be an easy example. But you know, you're picking a variety of other. And it's just it's a little more energetic. And that's just because Saint Louis is a little older. It's just the way that it is. But again, I know saying this is going to piss people off, and it's one of the things like, but but but the goal is to have the conversation and at the risk of having an honest conversation comes criticism, and I'm fine with that. I shall take it, but I feel strongly about it. And one of the reasons why the morning grind, which was the first morning after was formed was because I'm sitting here at the time twenty four years old, and I'd be driving into work, and I'd go my God. There's not anything on in Saint Louis that caters to a twenty four year old. It's it's just like for it's for older people. I thought it was really odd. And I'm like, this is the twenty first market in the country. So my premises young people. Now, there's some slivers of young people certainly having a Mazda representation, but they're like slivers of the community. I just feel like young people have either been ignored or young people haven't really had their voices heard or tempted to have their voices heard as a real force in the region. I think it's in the best interest of the region for that to be the case. And that now I still say even though I'm now forty two years old. And so when I look at for example, Chicago is an easy example or Denver, or as my making reference to what Senator Danforth said, he sees Kansas City, and you go my God. And then now, it's Indianapolis and Nashville Louisville what's going on what has caused it. And there's certainly a lot of political factors. Whether it be with the mergers in those particular areas or just the job opportunities in the dollars that are there and the job market in those particular places that. Separated? And I understand that. But one thing that I just I've I've, and it's an odd thing. And in a also wanna make it clear because at this point is the father of a one year old. It's not like, I do not like those kind of like, you know, charity events that are really like, you know, social events under the guise of charity of at type thing. Let me get my picture and being alive magazine type thing that's not my bag. So I'm not going to this stuff. And so it in some corners. You might go out Tim, I think this is outdated. I don't think this is the way that it is anymore. And if that's the case that is great. But from my perspective in talking with people who I would consider in the demographics so mid to late twenties about this. For whatever reason. And I don't know what the reason is. And I welcome. A combination of either theories your thesis or just flat out disagreeing. It is my feeling that there is a healthy amount of. I don't know what the right word the right word for it would be. I'm going to give it a good long thawed. Let me give it a good long thought. It's like the Doug von library pause. Pushback. Subtle pushback against ambition for young people not on why that is. But I just notice it, and I'm not talking about like, you know, like one of the running jokes on the show, which also certainly outdated is a reference to parties in the park, which I guess still goes on. But it's this thing in Clayton since some of your priority familiar with it where it's kinda like young professionals get together. And at the running joke was you know, talking about how much they make and even though they're living in like a shithole apartment. They're driving a BMW three series to try and pick up that's the game. And so I'm talking about. The climate slash culture, providing encouragement slash. Right word is reward. But a, but a, but a culture of you know. Smiling upon those who are giving it their all as entrepreneurs at or coming up with innovation and technology. Now, again, I'm talking about startups in some capacity is being a positive here. But I'm talking about throughout the region. It's like, oh, he got a Mercedes or oh, she thinks. She's so good now because she's making whatever. And so it's like getting hated on as opposed to man now see that he or she can do that. I'd love to do that as well and not be miserable in my job and just kind of like sign off on the rest of my life. And and listen there are circumstances. That people have not everybody's in a position to be able to do it some people have families, and they're just not in a position to be able to take a chance, but I'm talking about in general. Culture of wanting to see ambition, and I feel like that that is lacking in Saint Louis in comparison again to when I'm looking at his other top twenty five markets gangster, Pete you're sitting here. But you would fall into the categories gentlemen, with an MBA absurdly more well educated than me, I do not possess college degrees. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. What do you think? Do you agree with this? You disagree with us. I wanna have a conversation with you as well and a half yawn. There. Nurse. Nancy? Hi, tom. What do you think? Well, I think that a lot of people would come back if there's more opportunity, I think the opportunities lacking unless you're in certain industries now do you feel like that ambition is in some odd way kind of pushed back for younger people. I don't see that. I think that it's more of people that act like that just aren't happy where they are. And that's how they deal with it. What do you mean people who act like what people that act like ambitions, not cool? I think that's just because they don't have anything going for him at the time. Gangster Pete much more direct than me. Thanks for much more direct than me way. Coping with it. Yeah. I don't. I don't know. If I see I don't know why it is. I just feel like it is. But I wanted to see if I, but I see here's the thing. I had the conversation with other people, but those people aren't in broadcasting, so they're not going to be in a position to say. In an even me being in broadcasting knowing that it's going to get hated upon. It's like what's the upside and talking about it? But I wanna have the obvious honest conversation because in a way, I think ties into the airport things at ties into the business thing, I think you have plenty of people in Saint Louis with money. It's old it's old like. I was texting with somebody somebody who actually people would. No, I'm talking about not just like friends of mine. I'm talking about people in Saint Louis, if I said the person person doesn't live here anymore. And this person was saying, I gotta tell you because I love my hometown. But the perception of Saint Louis from people here is that it's old money with some real racial issues and talked about the racial issues quite a bit haven't really gotten hated on for that. I guess that's good people at least acknowledging that exists which is good because you have to acknowledge a problem in order to start looking at us Lucien, even though I have no idea what how how you actually solve that problem outside of just. Attempting to to not be a big shouldn't be that difficult. But I know it seems like a like a longer longer putt these days, but but with regard to the old money thing. It's like, yeah. Why would those who kind of have everything that they want here when I, you know, see change because it's a it's a great spot for them. Yeah. I understand that. I don't I don't necessarily even fault people for that. But I'm talking about people coming along in that new money like, you know, again like flashing and showing off that you got this. And you've got that that type I think is oftentimes that's not that's not really the people who necessarily have it. They just want the attention, which is a totally different thing. Maybe they have the money. But there that's other whatever that's that. I'm talking about a those who actually have and this isn't by the way, some passive way for me to talk about myself at all again, I'm. Forty two. I'm talking about people in their twenties or thirties for that matter where it's like me. Good for that person. Yes. I never really it's human nature in some capacity to have some form of jealousy. So I understand that I understand that psychological element in the discussion. But I'm talking about essentially a young professional class in the market. That's what I'm talking about. And how it is lacking. And so that what happens is you may have people who do move back here after college. But then go my God. The the circle so to speak is so small you're nodding you agree with this. The the circle here is so small that you know, I wanted to live here. But my God, I think I'm gonna move to Chicago. And I it's like more than two hands. I could name so many people who've been in that category or Denver, whatever the case might be. And I don't and I don't know what the solution to it is. Because again, it kind of goes back to the airport discussion, which is chicken and egg. And and it's certainly it's certainly because because it's not an every it's not an all it's not a one brush for you know, the whole region. That's not what it is. It's just it's it's a noticeable difference. And whereas I made note earlier that my travelling these days is limited with having son. And of course, the year before my wife being pregnant the entire time. And even we did travel was pretty much all we did was go to spring training, and we'd go to Las Vegas. So it's not like, you know, mom removed from when I was bouncing from you know, whatever NFL. L city NFL city are MLB city. I'm abuse it or NHL city shells city, whatever and seeing it, but at the time, it just it just stood out to me that you know, there's there's this twenty something and thirty something young professional class that I don't feel like we have as much of insane Lewis is a chicken or egg. But either way even if it is chicken or egg for those people who have done something or for those people who are trying something even if they don't work, God bless them for giving it a shot that it isn't necessarily as encouraged here, and even to an extent pushed back now, Pete, I guess is that it's more like hater type shit, which might be the case. I don't know. But it's like, you gotta be like conscious. Like, yeah. No. I, you know, I don't want to say I live in this municipality. Because then it'd be like, oh, you think you're so great because you live in this municipality, and it's like, I just lived there. I mean, you know, and it's an odd thing or you drive this while I drive this because I had that. And it didn't really go great. And like this car, you know, it's it's just an. Odd thing in. I don't end in a sense. Maybe it's it's just an overall humility thing, which I think is positive, but it's humility if it's for your own doing it's hate if now you're focusing on somebody else's doing. So that's that's what I meant. When I was talking about, you know, the the the the airport element, which was yes. For for the average traveler Suming, you're flying domestic it's. Yeah. It's it's inconvenient in the sense that you have one airline for the most part for the most part, and therefore you're gonna limit your choices and oftentimes that airline has stops. But yes, of course, you can get to take your pick of whatever whatever distant domestic city. You can absolutely go there. However, there there is a there is an entire population in the United States of business people who part of their job is that they're just on the road. And it's not just the people who are constantly flying. And therefore time is of the essence not just for meetings, but also to have their personal time with their family, but I'm also talking about their employers and the cost and then the time that they have their employees out in the road or they want to bring people to their their headquarters. And so if it is incredibly inconvenient to do that or it's like, oh, I'll find a Saint Louis like oh shit. It's going to be a whole day long thing that to me is relevant to the discussion. And I think is more of the issue than the quote, unquote, as the gentleman who posted the question asked the average traveler, I would consider myself the average traveler, I don't have to fly everywhere for my job I will fly here and there for vacations, and so therefore it's kind of like, oh, well, I guess it means we'll check in early today role. That means we'll be checking in late because we won't get there until six o'clock, and oh that sucks we got to fly through Baltimore to get to. You know, spring training, even though it's in Florida and seems to make no sense, but that's gonna save us one hundred fifty dollars. So that's what we'll do that is just kind of air flight out of Lambert in two thousand eighteen and most of us are just kind of used to it. But picture that you're not flying to wherever for vacation or you are the employer, and I realized there probably a lot of fortune five hundred CEO's listening to this podcast, but you're going, okay. We got a send this group here and we've got to get them there. But then the next day we have a meeting here. And so we gotta get him there. And then if it's your flying through here, and you're flying through in these people are used to flying, and they have, you know, hundreds of thousands of reward points, and therefore they're flying business class or first class from the case might be then it's an issue. And then what happens is we say, oh, I class hashtag blessed. Go fact yourself, well it, but it, but it's a real thing. Now, are you shaking your head? There you agreeing with me, I can't tell what you're doing here. It's tough to play poker with the whole hat hashtag blessed and all that it's just real gnawing to me. So. So you if people act like that, they're they're removed from my circle. I just don't you? Are somebody's type something hashtag bless your out. Yes. It's like what's the point? Like you. Obviously don't really care that much about me. You wanna see me do? Well, that's what I'm getting at the whole thing. It's the core at that. And if you don't feel that way, then you're not really, my friend. And then why do I care about what you think about anything? That's just how I think gangster Pete extra Pete much more direct. Maybe you should host questions from the audience, I'm rambling day done. You would have been done. Let's because you don't like how long ago because we got to go do this other show, but but you're much more interesting. I don't know you're kind of direct. I like it. But I, but, but, but you know, it's a weird things again, I know in gangster Pete. And I do have to jet is because we're hosting the well, Dan, McLaughlin, either hosting against repeats producing the hot stove show. And so we do have to go. And so we're working on this whole new thing. And maybe it'll work maybe it won't. And that's just kind of the way it is both Peten. I think in certainly McLaughlin would fall under the umbrella of being entrepreneurs and part of the deal with being an entrepreneur is inevitably you're going to fail and you're gonna fail like there's no way you Batta thousand. I'm sure some people have Batta thousands. So I should say there's no way but inevitably in order to really fire bullets in trying to have something work. You're either going to initially fuck it up, and then have to make it right or it's going to fail that's part of the deal. But as the great Michael Scott said when quoting Wayne Gretzky, you have to shoot in order to score. You miss one hundred percent of the shots. You don't take. So that's the nature of the peace. And what I'm saying is. I want more people in the region in particular young people to be encouraged to take shots like from my standpoint. I love the fact that I have no idea what the fuck I'm going to be doing it. A couple years. I love that. Now. I also know that there that would scare the shit out of plenty of people. And in part of the deal is is that when you don't know, and then you have a family, and that's an important element of this. And I don't want to dismiss it. Maybe maybe people thought I used to dismiss it. Maybe I was dismissing it before I had a child now that I've child so I'm part of the club. So I certainly considered to be relevant and by that I mean a relevant factor. Not e- relevant. But I love I love that. It's like, okay, we could still do this. You know? I mean what we're doing here today. Pete Nye McLaughlin, we might be starting some kind of big project or like two months, I got fucked didn't work. But at least, you know, we tried it. And here's why it didn't work and the you'll gene will learn from that for the next project, whatever it's price you pay. I mean with with running radio stations are operating programming and inside us yell. My God how many shows have we come up with? And then a lot of them just didn't work. But you know, I came up with. One with the help of some compadres in the cat and Martin Kilcoyne thirteen fourteen years ago, and sometimes all takes his one. But you got you gotta take your shot. And that's what I'm saying. I just feel like oftentimes the climate here is non-conducive perhaps more from a cultural element by that. I mean, other people hating on success, and or ambition. Maybe it's not the Embiid that's headed on so much as the byproduct of a successful ambition. And then if people don't handle the success as well. But I'll tell you this. It's still one of the like Randy Marquel who owns the station he laughs about it. He laughed about any lasts about one of the worst moments of my career was when the while. I mean, this was before the post-dispatch wrote about it was when the details some of which were reported inaccurately one of which that I bought into caffeine us. I did not buy indicate us, but that in order to get the deal done. Randy offered me part ownership of KFI us a couple years ago and was published in in some Br. Broadcast trade magazine. And I'm sitting at the Venetian playing poker tournament on. Okay. Got the deal done. I got a couple of weeks. Here doesn't start for a few months, and I can relax with my wife and enjoy myself and an hour and a half into the poker tournament playing very, well, I should note and have a nice big stack and my phone starts blowing up and I looked down. And it's all of these people go and the details your contractor online, and what in the hell is this? And and then of course, you know, some people are like I can't believe DNC's wrote about it. Once it was out. And you know, it was it was out. And I figured he was gonna write about it. So on it's in the Saint Louis post dispatch, and like the articles titled the million dollar man or something like that. Like Jay, Randall junior was calling me million dollar baby for a couple of weeks until I finally said Jennings. If you could please stop, but it, but but the, but then people in like my peers in this business now it became, hey, hey, you know, like a fuck him. He does that pervert show. He doesn't. Go to Busch stadium or enterprise center, or whatever, you know. And then it's like, and then it's a whole thing. And I'm like, you know, the the some of that's accurate some of it's inaccurate. But then it's like, I can't go. Well, that's accurate. I am actually making that. No, that's not accurate about this. Because then it's like I can't talk about somebody's like blowing in the wind. And it's like, well, how come he's making that, you know? And it's awful. It's an awful thing. It was awful. It was it was truly awful. Like, I said Randy thought, it was funny in we we did laugh about it in the sense that I thought it was funny that he thought it was funny. But I'm like, dude. This isn't funny as socks and this is going to be an this is going to stick with me forever. This will always stick with me and on top of it. It's just it's it's that's KF an ass. I we also have inside T L Pete McLaughlin, an eye Nick gale, we're all working on a whole new project. They're all kinds of things. And sometimes you have good months and quarters and years, and sometimes you don't you know, you you have a house. You have Lowe's part of the game. But you wanna take your shot? And so I'm just I'm always four I'm telling you, I e even. If you go. Wow. What a terrible idea that was and how big a failure was that? And I'll go. Yeah. But at least he or she took the shot. God bless them. You know, because it takes a great amount of courage to go out on your own, especially if you're putting your own money that you've saved or you go to a Bank and get a line to start something up and take it. I take an idea and try and run with it and build something. I mean, that's essentially how this country was built. And so I have a great amount of respect for it. I'm in listen, this this is like an finish up with Dennis Miller rant and not the Dennis Miller of two thousand eighteen Dennis Miller of nineteen ninety eight. I don't know what happened. And that is I could be wrong. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. And I know it's going to it. It's not intend. I'm involved. It's a podcast. It's not like I'm trying to get some audience or something like that with the the radio show or Twitter. I'm just giving you my honest opinions because this the Maceo lock Lambert line got such a response. And then it led to all of these different layers of it that I'm giving you my perspective on it due to to go straight to what he said regarding the airport playing a role in free agents. I can't imagine. When that's the case at all. But the shit. I mean, he brought it up. I have no idea might just make a joke who knows? But then it got into all these topics regarding Lambert in the whole thing. And so what winds up happening usually I find is that when I'm talking to people who have either lived in other cities or currently living in other cities or who do a lot of traveling. They agree with me one hundred percent. And then the people who for the most part have not traveled, and it's not because I'm as Pete loves hashtag blessed because I got to travel to all of these places. I didn't do it. It was my job. It's not like I was making so much money that I'm like sweet RAMSAR plan in San Francisco. Let's fly on out enjoy it and stay at the Ritz. I was flying out there because came over he was paying for it that you get to see other cities and not just San Francisco caliber cities. And so you get to see what's going on around the country. And then you compare it to your hometown, and you go, okay. Wow. It seems like we're behind here. Why is that? But if you have that conversation, and I did have that conversation to an extent when I was in my twenties. I had a lot of older people. Of course, go fuck you. What are you know, are they would, you know, just like dismiss it? And here we are fourteen years later, and I'm not surprised by it because I felt very strongly about it in two thousand three four five. I was right. But that's not like a that was an obvious. I was right. You know? I mean, sometimes these things are quite unlike. Yeah. Eric writings scumbag, you couldn't tell you voted for an okay, I mean shit. I said the morning after the election. I said you guys can focus on Donald Trump while you want. That's fine. Plenty of people are other people are absolutely thrilled. But what concerns me is this era grinds guy 'cause I can tell us guys just to sleazebag. He's going to be a problem. But I don't go, man. Look at me. I'm very intuitive. I'm like, that's that shit was obvious. So Saint Louis falling behind in two thousand three two thousand four two thousand five in Saint Louis having issues in two thousand eighteen these to me things are very obvious. I don't think I'm some wizard, but I also know saying it is unpopular, but I. Think in order to to improve we have to have the conversation. So this is really like at the at the foundation of it. Why that is? But perhaps I'm wrong. That's why I'm saying perhaps, I'm wrong. I think that the free agent situation with the airport is is irrelevant. But I, but I also think Mozelle IQ might have been making a joke or might have been talking about baseball players families coming and going on Saint Louis, maybe he was just because he travels a lot. He's like God that sucks. I gotta fly through two cities in order to get to here there. I have no idea. But anyway, there it is there at all is this. You're welcome to agree. You're welcome to disagree. You're well in I enjoy a good conversation as I was saying earlier long emails, and because we are working on a variety of things. I don't have the time. Oftentimes specially attempting to be a good husband and father to write is much back. But I really do read them. 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