20 Episode results for "Saint John Paul"
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 4 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"Vena same John Paul, the second day four. Are Selection by Saint. John Paul. Faith is strengthened when it's given to others. It is in commitment to the Church's universal mission that the new evangelization of Christian people's will find inspiration and support. Oh bless eternity. We thank you for having grace the church with Saint John Paul the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross, of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary, he has given us a living image of Jesus, the Good Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary. Christian. Life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. Grandma's by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. We pray the Saint John Paul's second a prayer he composed. By your faith be strong, may not hesitate and not waver before the doubts. The uncertainties, which philosophical systems or fashionable movements would like to suggest to you. May Not descend to compromise with certain concepts which would like to present Christianity as your ideology of historical character and therefore. At, the same level of so many others now outdated. Your faith be joyful because it is based on awareness of possessing a divine gift. When you pray in dialogue with God and when you converse with me, may you manifest the you of this enviable possession? Aben. Saint John Paul, the second pray for us. Man.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 3 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"No VENA. To Saint John Paul the second day three. A reflection by Saint John Paul. Not Be afraid. Open WIDE THE DOORS FOR CHRIST To his saving power, open the boundaries of states, economic and political systems, the vast fields of culture civilization and development. Do not. Be Afraid. Oh blessed trinity. We thank you for having Grace Church with Saint John Paul the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary. He has given us a living image of Jesus, the Good Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. Grant us by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. I'm an. We pray with Saint John Paul's second a prayer he composed. Oh God, you are our. Creator. You are good and your mercy knows no bounds. Do you rises the praise of every creature. Oh God, you have given us an inner law by which we must live. To do your will is our task. To follow your ways as to know piece of heart. To you, we offer our homage. Guide us on all the paths we travel upon this earth. Re us from all evil tendencies which lead our hearts away from your will. Never, allow us to stray from you. Know. God. Judge of all mankind. Help us to be included among your chosen ones on the last day. Oh God author of peace and Justice. Give us true. Joy In authentic love and a lasting solidarity among people. Give us your everlasting gift. I'm in. Saint? John Paul the second pray for us. Man.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 8 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"Vena to Saint John Paul the second day eight. A reflection by Saint John Paul. Those. The Great Gift of redemption are being brought forth to divine. Life is a mighty work of God, the Father Son and Holy Spirit. It must be received by us in faith it must be lived, it must be proclaimed. Oh blessed trinity. We. Thank you for having Grace Church with Saint John Paul the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary, he has given a living image of Jesus the good. Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary. Christian life in is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. Grant us by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. We pray the Saint John. Paul's second a prayer he composed. Thanksgiving for the Eucharist. For our Paschal Lamb Christ has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast. Oh. Christ the Savior we give you. Thanks for your redeeming sacrifice the only hope of men. Oh Christ the savior we give you. Thanks for the EUCHARISTIC breaking of the bread which you instituted in order to really meet your brothers in the course of the centuries. Christ. The savior put into the hearts of the baptized, the desire to offer themselves with you and to commit themselves for the salvation of their brothers. You who are really present in the blessed sacrament spread your blessings abundantly upon your people. Man. Saint John Paul. The second pray for us. Are Men.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 5 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"No. Vena. To Saint John Paul the second day five. Our election by Saint John Paul. As we ask for forgiveness. Let us also forgive. This is what we say every day when we recite the prayer Jesus taught us our father. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Oh blessed trinity. We thank you for having grace the church with Saint John, Paul, the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting, fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary, he has given us a living image of Jesus the Good Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. GRANDPA's by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. Men. We pray the Saint John Paul's second. Ah Prayer he composed. Save us from grieving your spirit. By our lack of faith and lack of readiness to witnesses to your Gospel indeed and in truth. By, secularism and by wishing it all costs to conform to mentality of this world. By lack of love which is patient and kind which is not boastful which does not insist on its own way. which bears all things believes all things hopes all things endures all things. Bad love which rejoices in the right and only in the right. Save us from grieving your spirit by everything that brings inward sadness and is an obstacle for the soul by whatever causes divisions by whatever makes us fertile soil for all temptations. Ob- in. Saint John Paul the second pray for us. Man.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 9 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"No-visa to Saint John Paul the second day nine. A reflection by Saint John Paul. The Pilgrim Church on Earth lifts its Gaze to heaven and exultantly joins the choir of those with whom God shares his glory. It is the communion of saints. Oh blessed trinity. We thank you for having grace the church with Saint John, Paul, the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross of Christ, and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary, he has given us a living image of Jesus, the Good Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. GRANDPA's by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through. Christ our Lord. Oh Man. We pray the Saint John. Paul's second appraiser prayer he composed. Jesus. Abide in me and I in you for apart from me, you can do nothing. I leave you now with this prayer that the Lord Jesus will reveal himself to each one of you. That he will give you the strength to go out and profess that you are Christian. That he will show you that he alone can fill your hearts. Except his freedom and embrace his truth and be messengers of the certainty that you have been truly liberated through the death and resurrection of the Lord. Jesus. This will be the new experience the powerful experience that will generate throw you a more just society and a better world. God bless you and may the joy of Jesus always with you Man. John Paul the second pray for us. Man.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 6 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"No. Vena. To Same John Paul the second day six. A reflection by Saint John Paul. The good news, which she received from her divine founder obliges the church to proclaim the message of salvation and human dignity and to condemn injustices and attacks on dignity. Oh. Bless eternity. We thank you for having grace the church with Saint John Paul the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary he has given us a living image of Jesus the good. Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. US by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. We pray the Saint John Paul's second a prayer he composed. And behold we who are standing beneath the cross of the ages wish through your cross and passionate Christ to cry out today that mercy which has irreversibly entered into the history of man into our whole human history, and which in spite of appearances of weakness is stronger than evil. It is the greatest power enforce upon which man can sustain himself threatened as he is from so many sides. Holy God. Holy Strong. Holy Immortal one have mercy on us. Have Mercy Allay Song Missouri. May The power of your love once more be shown to be greater than the evil that threatens it. May Be shown to be greater than sin may the power of your cross? Oh Christ be shown to be greater than the author of Sin who is called the Prince of this world. For by your blood and your passion, you have redeemed the world. Man. Saint John Paul the second pray for us. I'm Anne.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 2 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"No Vena to Saint John Paul the Second Day To. A reflection by Saint John Pau Darkness can only be scattered by light. Hatred, can only be conquered by love. My most fervent wish which I entrust God prayer. Is that we should all carry in our unarmed hands, the light of love which nothing can discourage. Oh. Blessed Trinity. Thank you for having grace the church with Saint John Paul the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care. The Glory of the Cross of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary he has given us a living image of Jesus the Good Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. Grandma's by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. We pray the Saint John Paul's second a prayer he composed. Mother. At the solemn moment we listened with particular attention to your words do whatever my son tells you. And we wish to respond to your words with all our heart. We wished to do what your son tells us where he has the words of eternal life. We wished to carry out and fulfill all that comes from him. All that is contained in the good news as our forefathers did for many century. May. Our ears constantly here with the proper clarity your motherly voice do whatever my son tells you. Enable us to persevere with Christ. Enable US, mother. Of the Church to build up his mystical body? By living with the life that he alone can grant us from his fullness, which is both divine. And human. Met. Saint. John Paul. The second pray for us. Oh Man.
A Novena to St. John Paul II Day 1 Discerning Hearts Podcast
"No Vena to Saint John. Paul the second. They won. A reflection by Saint John Paw. It is Jesus in fact that you seek when you dream of happiness. He is waiting for you or nothing else you find satisfies you. He is the beauty to which you are so attracted. Oh blessed trinity. We thank you for having grace, the church with Saint John Paul, the second and for allowing the tenderness of your fatherly care the glory of the Cross of Christ and the splendor of the spirit of love to shine through him. Trusting fully in your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary, he has given us a living image of Jesus, the Good Shepherd. He has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you. crannies by his intercession and according to your will the grace's we implore through Christ our Lord. Man. We pray the Saint John Paul's second a prayer he composed. Oh God you are our creator. You good and your mercy knows no bounds. Few arises the praise of every creature. Oh God you have given us in their law by which we must live. To do your will as our task. To follow your ways is to know piece of heart. To you, we offer our amish. Guide us on all the paths we travel upon this earth. Free us from the evil tendencies which lead our hearts away from your will. Never, allow us to stray from you. Oh God, judge of all humankind help us to be included among your chosen ones on the last day. Oh God author of peace and Justice. Give us true joy and authentic love and a lasting solidarity among peoples. Give us your everlasting gifts. Are. Men. Saint John Paul the second pray for us.
NPR News: 06-02-2020 3PM ET
"Live from NPR News, I'm Lakshmi Singh. Catholic and Episcopal Church leaders in the nation's capital are calling out President Donald Trump for acts that they say are antithetical to what the Christian faith stands for. This morning the president and first lady visited a shrine to Saint John Paul the second former pope of the Roman Catholic Church. The white. House says it was a moment of remembrance. Archbishop Wilton Gregory criticized the President's action in a statement. He said he found it reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused in a fashion that violates principles to defend the rights of all people that in the statement will trump evoke similar outrage from Reverend Mariann Buddy, the bishop of the episcopal diocese of Washington who today. Today was still expressing disbelief that the president yesterday ordered security forces to clear out civil rights protesters outside the White House, before he walked a Saint John's Episcopal Church and help Bible in front of the cameras, just moments earlier at the White House trump said he supported peaceful protests while he also warned he was ready to use the military to crack down on violent descent. NPR's Mara Liasson has this assessment. I think what he was trying to achieve with. Send a message to his base that he is the president of law and order. He also said that he was dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers in DC, so the message was about cracking down not calming down NPR's Mara Liasson critic say trump missed opportunities to listen closely to activists angry about systematic use of excessive police force that have ended in the deaths of many black individuals like Mr George Floyd Minneapolis last week. We'll six Atlanta police. Officers are now charged with aggravated assault in property damage Emily Green of member station W. AB reports. The officers implicated in an assault on to college students during civil unrest Saturday night. Tonight Pilgrim Boyfriend Messiah young say there were driving to pick up food when the police stopped them footage from the officer's body camera, show them using stun guns on the couple smashing the driver's side window and dragging them from the car Ford. County District Attorney Paul. Howard says students were brutalized. We are prayerful hopeful. That this will go to full conclusion, and he's offices wound not only be arrested, indicted and convicted because what they did to our children. They have to be held accountable. He says the officers have until Friday to turn themselves in and that they will be released on bond for NPR news. I'm emily. Green Atlanta. At last check on Wall Street the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up one hundred thirty five points, or more than half a percent since the open at twenty, five, thousand, six, hundred, eight. The SMP NASDAQ also up slightly. You're listening to NPR news. It's primary day in several states and the District of Columbia. Many voters have been discouraged or other encouraged to mail in their ballots, but NPR's fan festival reports voters are still showing up at the polls today. The primaries commented on. Time with both a global pandemic and widespread civil unrest election officials, almost every state of encourage more absentee voting, but hundreds of polling sites will still be open for those who choose to vote in per cent. Precautions have been taken to protect voters and poll workers from the corona virus, including extensive use of disinfectants and protective gear, but violent protests around the country have added a new concern. Civil rights groups fear that a heavy police and National Guard presence in some states holding primaries like Pennsylvania and Indiana could discourage voter turnout pam fest slur NPR news. Federal aviation officials have new recommendations on increased flights safety after former NBA superstar Kobe Bryant and eight other people were killed in a helicopter crash in January Reuters news service, reporting the National Transportation Safety Board is asking six major manufacturers including Secorski and Airbus helicopters to make sure turbine powered helicopters were equipped with crash. Resistant systems to record audio and images and other data meteorologist are closely tracking tropical storm that is developed in the Gulf of Mexico in the Bay of Gump, Itchy, the National Hurricane Center says Tropical Storm. CRISTOBOL has maximum sustained winds of forty miles per hour moving very slowly three miles per hour. This is NPR.
Episode 11: Cookies With The Pope - Joan Lewis
"On Monday, April fifteen the entire world watched in horror and disbelief as the cathedral Notre Dom tomorrow. We're releasing a special episode of mutual devoted to Notre not. It's Stoorikhel significance and its importance to Paris in one of my favorite authors. His Ken Follett, please. To welcoming is my guest Dukla Notre gone and its historic significance and the profound impact the fires had all of us. It was absolutely devastating Weaver just finishing dinner and friend who happened to be in Paris called. And she said, I'm in Paris, turn on your TV. We saw the church burning. I was not a toll show that the cathedral could survive. Please join me on this narrative journey as we all know one of the most prominent symbols of western civilization, Krisztian neutral. The Notre Dame episode premieres tomorrow. On this episode of Newt's world this Easter Sunday. I really want introduce you to somebody. Listen, I have grown to love. And who we just think is remarkable person Joan Lewis, I think you're gonna find her fashion. She was born and raised in nine states. She attended Saint Mary's college in Notre Dame, Indiana, then she taught French for five years nine states, but that wasn't her future. So she moved to Rome and she began her career as a journalist and nineteen ninety. She is invited to work for the newly created Vatican information service and the Holy See press office as the English language writer and editor then after represented the Holy See many innovations conferences, she moved to eat WTI since two thousand five she has served as he WTN's Rome bureau chief through her many years, she's been in the company of five. Popes? She's personally met four of them since you've got an each other. I can tell you. There's no one more unique more engaging and frankly a little bit wacky than Joan Louis. She's devoutly Catholic she knows everyone in Rome. I am pleased to welcome her as my guest. John. Would you just share with our listeners your story of baking cookies for the pope? Well, one day. I was reading a story about this amazing Pantip from Poland. John Paul Saint John Paul's we known today, and it was the story not about his travels or his speeches Hammet lease anything else. It was a story about John Paul the man and how he lived his daily life. What his favorite foods were and in that sentence about his favorite foods? We had Pope John Paul loves chocolate. And of course, I'm a chocoholic. So the first thing I thought of was I had made cookies for a lot of people in the Vatican. And the first thing I thought of was well, why wouldn't the pope perhaps like some cookies, maybe even brownies? So I made a couple of dozen brownies and maybe three or four dozen cookies for the whole staff. Of the papal household, and I bought a beautiful box to put them all in and called his secretary, whom I knew and said, my senior Stanislau, I have something for the Holy Father. And and I think you'll like it too. But I wanna give it to you in person. We'll could I come over at five thirty. And so I brought the box of brownies and cookies over at five thirty and that turned out to be the first of many times that I made cookies for Aibo p-. And I got a thank you note or a phone call from Monsignor Stanislaw up now cardinal standards, Lajja Vitz every single time. I baked cookies and sometimes he'd see me in person we'd meet somewhere in the Vatican. He'd say I did tell you how much the pope likes you cookies the last time, you baked them. Right. So that was the beginning. And why shouldn't there be a second time in a fifth time and a tenth time? So that's my story think it's intriguing. Well, your life is the verdict on the one hand is the center of a religion or the billion three hundred million people and on the other hand is a really tiny town. I think what a quarter square mile total yet inside this little town. There are all sorts of personalities and people who relate to each other primarily as people in a way that I think sometimes folks might not appreciate and you've done this amazing job of wandering through here for years and getting to know people that have been with you and cardinals and others wander up to you as you as soon as you remember Saint Patrick's New York when cardinal Dolan was reminiscent about what he used to be here at the North American college. And as he put it you're making lemon cellos in your bathtub. So there is things that are so human, and I and I would like if you don't want I want to go back and begin at the beginning because I'm historian by training. How did you get interested in Rome and in the Vatican? Tell us about your. Early life, which I think was what in Chicago in Chicago suburb ballpark, Illinois. That's where I grew up. And I attended high school in river forest Saint Mary's of Notre Dame was my university. And then my third year of university. I was majoring in French and minoring in political science and my third year in college was spent in Switzerland. And in our academic year. We had many many weeks of travel we had a six week spring vacations re in Italy three in France. And I want to tell you I just crossed the border from Switzerland into Italy in my life changed. I don't know if it was something in the air. I don't know if it was the parmesan cheese that I put on everything, but desert, it was the music the people their love of life. They were my people. I just fell in love with Italian fell in love with Italy. And I remember standing by fountain in Rome with three of my college friends. And I said, I'm. I'm coming back here someday to Rome, I'm gonna live here and work here and die here. It took a while to make that happen because I did not go to college in the age of internet. There was no internet you had to write real letters. You had to write everything by hand lot. It took a few years made a few acquaintances, and then it ended up that actually my college had a program in Rome. They opened a program in Rome they had an opening from one year. And I knew if I could get my foot in the door for one year, then I could open a lot of other doors. And that's exactly what happened. I worked for Saint Mary's on their own program met many other people some of whom were Vatican people priests whose theses I ended up typing and then through them I met many other people at the Vatican. I didn't work in the Vatican. In the first years, I was in Rome. But I eventually while had been in the. Return to the states briefly came to Romana vacation and was offered a job at a new office in the Holy See press office. It's called the Vatican information service, John Paul set it up in eighty nine and really opened and functioned in nineteen ninety. I was asked to work for that office. So that was the beginning of my Vatican career to your from so move, you come here is young lady. I'm still in college. You look around you fallen over with Rome. And with Italy, you show up to teach at your former modder on what are you teaching put point I was asked to work in the main office of our campus here in Rome and also to liaise with the students because of my knowledge of Italian which was not as good, then as it is now many years later, I was asked to liaise with the students for any single need that they had any problems they had and that could have been bringing them to a doctor's office because they had the flu or something. But in the meantime, I was in realm learning a lot about Rome learning the language. I knew I only had a year. I had to make something happen at the end of that year and move on. And that's what I did notice. You have this marvelous apartment where were you staying when you first got here? I mean, you're. In Rome, and you're looking around as a young American and dreaming, of course, people were surprised when I said, my dad gave us are PHD. And you asked me what that was. I said, it's passion hard work and dreams, the passion and the hard work. I guess got me to Rome. And then I was dreaming. What am I gonna do what kind of contribution can I make? I never knew. I'd be where I am now or the years at the Vatican. But in any event, my dream, obviously was to have a beautiful place to live in answer to your question. I started out by living in the hotel all the students we lived in a hotel now at the end of the year, I had some savings. So it was like your first department's going to be small because my savings were small department. I live in now overlooks the dome of Saint Peter's and it's stunning. It's in a building that is owned by the Vatican. The Vatican was given a lot of property in realm. Many many years ago nineteen twenty. Nine when the Vatican, Wisconsin sated for all the property that had been taken by the Italian government to form. What today we know as the country of Italy? And so the Catholic church was given land and buildings say work given money, and they were also what we know today as Fateh considered state was created on February eleventh nineteen twenty nine I knew that as a Vatican employees. I would have the right to an apartment innovative known building. And took me a lot of years to make that happen. But my last trip to the real estate office. I told them on senior who was there at the time. I said I'm going to be just like the widow in Luke eighteen who insisted that she get what is due her from the judge. I can see you looking at this poor guy and have starting. Well, you know, my dad told us never to be backward about coming forward. And that was one of those occasions when I just I had waited so long to make this happen working at the Vatican. And all of a sudden, you know in July of two thousand four it happened close still overwhelmed or return, we drive by the Consumers Union. We looked down that great street and see Saint Peter's, what is it like to wake up every morning with Saint Peter's in your one I have to be honest and not only wake up in the morning, but go into bed at night. I never take it. For granted. I'm overwhelmed by the privileges that I have had in covering the church in working for the church getting to know, you know, we could fill an entire show just with names of people and events, but I never take it for granted. I look out at the door. Home. And I see my faith. I see the church. I do see Saint Peter. When I walked by. I've walked by it, can I say thousands of times. I probably sure I probably can't for sure so to wake up to that. And to go to bed with that. I'm thankful grateful. Delighted surprised I never cease being surprised if things that's one quality. I think that can bring you through life, many many moments of life porno would makes Jones Rome, and your reports on everything you do you're always sharing with the rest of us, your newest discovery, and you every week have discoveries. I'm John Lewis, and this is Rome to spat welcome back to Rome dispatched, it's been awhile since we've been in touch. But if there's a big event in Rome, e WTN in yours truly are going to bring it to you. And of course, we're coming from Rome because of the big cannonisation on Sunday the. Canonization of two saints. So the church has two saints two new saints. And by the way, eighty popes before today before Sunday's canonization have been canonized. So with John the twenty third and John Paul the second. We will have eighty two popes who will have been canonized in the history of the church you've ever gotten bored. Oh, no. It is not a word in my vocabulary retaliation, they say have you ever thought of retiring, and I said, no, I said an English. There's two meanings to the word retire one is to leave your job to definitively start a new life. The other is go to bed. I think I'll retire for the night. And that's me. That's my retirement turf. Exactly one of the things you surprise me. With have tried known. You for years was that your first pope is I think a polaroid picture, the you took when you were in college share with all of us because it is a very important. Pope was often I think neglected now John the twenty-third was the first pope I ever met March of nineteen sixty one and at that time there was no audience hall. It was a hall of blessings, which is right where though five windows are above Saint Peter's entrance the atrium and the main lodger where the pope's come out and speak a couple times a year behind those windows is beautiful hall, the hall of blessings that would just a couple of hundred of us. It was amazing. And when I brought my camera up some little brownie camera or something to take a picture in those days. You didn't know if your picture turned out to you had developed so it was going to be like when I got back to Switzerland. You know, and here's this amazing. Picture of this little rotund happy man sitting in a chair. That's when popes were carried by the say DRA sitting in the chair chairs arms out like this big smile on his face. I showed that to people the press when he became a Saint along with John Paul in two thousand fourteen in some ways using the shadow of John Paul certain why in your judgment is he so important in the history of the church win, John the twenty twenty-third seems to me is the guy who really unleashes all the modernisation that than John Paul Sirkin, and then really sort of the completion of a very very long almost forty year project. Well, with John the twenty-third the first of all if you could get to know the man, it was a farmer's, son. He was the most down to earth pulp probably in the last century. Well, except I put John Paul actually in that same category. But. On the twenty third as we know he was a diplomat. He was in many countries. He was a diplomat for the Vatican in Paris. He was in Turkey. He made friends wherever he went because he was interested not only in the president of a country. He was interested in the guy who did the gardening in the house where he lived. He was very very human with this experience. He just had such a broad sense of humanity of people and a very good sense of the church, and he knew some things had to change. So without going into all the specifics. We know that he opened the doors for Vatican Council to and it was course, Paul the six who who closed the door. So I also did meet. So I've actually been at the presence of five popes and spoken to four which is rather wonderful. But John was in many many ways bigger than life. And of course, I hope that people know that if they go into Saint Peter's basilica his incorrupt body is below an altar just. Off the right hand side. Maybe two thirds the way up the basilica towards the main altar, but he had a special love for children. He loved families. This is where I see a parallel between John the twenty-third and John Paul and by the way, John Paul took his name. He why did he have a double name? He wanted to be for the church for the world what John was in his own personal and even historical way. And also what Paul John's successor was he was very different type person much more of a studious area dyke person that people didn't feel they could approach him as easily as they could a John, but both men had enormous contributions. And that's why John Paul took the double name because he wanted to reflect and be those same gifts to the church. You know, something I've never understood if you canoe and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you walk in. The people gardens there's a tower up sort of towards the top. And somebody was telling me that later in his life. John Paul lived in that tower. I believe the story is that he lived there while work was being done on the papal apartments in the Vatican. Because actually the the guest rooms in that tower at the time were for many, many years were for important guests usually church guests. So like you'd have the patriarch of the medical Patriarch Bartholomew. I believe he has stayed there. So so he wasn't hiding was. Oh, absolutely. But he was Popa would go out of the Vatican at night. He would just have his little black priest vestments on he'd go outside Vatican City because he knew Rome before he was pope, and he could just walk about. That's what I know. Pope francis. Mrs being able to walk about the city, but John would go out. And maybe if somebody said to come into his. Home. Sometimes they didn't recognize him right away. So you could be sitting on Italian trust her. Oh, yeah. During a glass of wine. Here comes the pope walking by anybody ever told you you look like John the twenty third and so he also had a great habit of one. He would go out in a car if he ever drove by himself had a great habit of locking the key inside the car when he we closed the door. And there was actually a key Smith I interviewed this person for an article years ago because I love the human side. There was actually a person who had a key making place not too far from the Vatican. He became the key maker and opener of car doors for for twenty third. Yeah. Exactly. Was he the last one who did not have security and drivers? And now, it is a little hard to imagine. A pope days wandering off on his own leaving locking his key in his car. He did have security in those days that would always have been security, but I don't think like today when you think of this threats that that the world that individuals that the church, etc. Face today, you just have to in the face of someone like a pauper a president. You just have to have the proper the securities. And that'll mean numerous people around. When we come back Joan, and I talked about the beauty and pace of life in Rome. Delta rescue was founded by Leo Grillo in nineteen seventy nine. It is the largest no kill care for life sanctuary of its kind in the world carrying up to fifteen hundred abandoned dogs cats and horses. This hundred fifteen acres super sanctuary is celebrating its fortieth anniversary happy fortieth anniversary to delta rescue. That's a remarkable mouse dung tell me how you thought about this year is a celebration. Newt I found an old jewelry box. I had since I was a kid. Can you believe that it was a polaroid of delta that I took back in the day? 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That's very Italian. How would you try to communicate the rhythm of being at the Vatican? What it's like in just the the relationships and the way people interact as an American when I first came here when I saw the pace the very slow pace of how things were done. You've just wanted to get things done. Come on guys. We can get this done by three o'clock today. It doesn't have to go over till tomorrow morning. I was fortunate to work in an office for the Vatican, which we had scheduled to keep up. Our job was to transmit a summary. Every single day of the pope. Speeches in four language speeches homilies events at the Vatican press conferences, and we had to get that out there for the press by about one fifteen or one thirty two o'clock. So we were on scheduled. It was much much more American here you start. Now. Here's your deadline. It has to be out by that. Our I liked that as an American, but sometimes persuading other offices in the curia to get their information to you. Let us know if cardinal sewn so is going on a trip to wherever so that we can put that in our news article. So people can see the universal church at work persuading other offices to do that my boss, and I actually visited when these Fatkin information service was set up. We went around to visit every single cardinal that ran in office in the Vatican to let them know that Vatican information service wasn't new service of Vatican wire service, but we ran their side. We were not an outsider looking. In. We were part of the Vatican and bit by bit. Yes, I began to trust us more. We're not out there to denigrate any office, but rather to build up an office to get the Vatican's story out and what I loved. We're actually were the moments when there were a lot of papal events or speeches such as times when the pope would go away for vacation to custom doll for long periods. And then I loved to be able to do stories about custody and also do something about the history and the gardens and the farm that's out there do the history of all the different offices in the Vatican. Some of which go back to the fourteen fifteen hundreds Vatican diplomacy goes back to the four hundreds were the oldest diplomatic core on earth. Klusener original podcastone off of you. It's about forty five minutes away from Rome so up on little volcanic mountain of it is part of the original agreement in nineteen twenty nine the letter records. A so it's extraterritorial actually the Vatican. Non Italy wanting to it's a palace because the current poke doesn't like going down there. It's become an amazing museum. They they have a tape recordings. I went through as somebody reach to study history. I mean, I found myself just overwhelmed with the stories in the one pope who took I think it was two hundred seventy five votes to be chosen in the conclave. And then the other thing, I didn't know that. Of course, you did. No. But when they talk about the people gardens again dough focused out enough. Oh, I always thought it was this little small area next to the POWs, it's actually the garden is larger than that. Dan yet. Amazing. And they have they have a farm. They produce milk and eggs for the pope. It's make their own yogurt and butter and that's brought in at the grocery store. Here. I often by their milk and often by their yogurt. So that comes in at six o'clock in the. Mornings. I'm not sure about pope Francis. But I know his predecessors things were brought right to their kitchens in the apostolic palace. So that if Benedict John Paul wanted strawberry yoga for lunch. They had it from Castell condal fo- customs office about that's fifty five hector's and this Vatican City state, which we're close to right now is forty four. It's the size of an average eighteen hole. Golf course one hundred eight point seven acres. It's remarkable. So there's also there's a train the you can take at the Vatican is on Saturdays. Only fries actually, get on the train and ride down to kiss toga and offer and then come back up to the Vatican for anybody who signs up for the full trip you begin to Vatican museums. You have an hour and a half there. Then you're brought to the town of custody dolphin than smaller buses bring you up to the palace. Very shortly. Very very. Male. Maybe the most male dominated as any place on the planet. You were a genuine pioneer. What's it been like all these years to gradually become as nowadays? You're totally accepted by the hierarchy of people show. Everybody knows you people always asked me in the early days, if anything was special up being a woman or was it usually they asked was it more difficult to be a woman, and I said, I didn't feel that. Anyway, I don't know. I guess I've always approached the priests the bishops the cardinals that we had to deal with in my work when I worked at the Vatican. And then afterwards, I just approach them as fellow human beings. And I've brought flowers to cardinals who were sick. I'll bake cookies for different offices of the Roman curia. So I just tried to be me. I would treat a cardinal with due respect for the office that that goes without saying, but why couldn't I also see him as a friend. And once they knew that you saw. Them as a friend or a human being things were fine. I never ever for one moment felt that being a woman was a challenge or difficult or that I was treated differently. The other unusual story was the painting in the bathroom. And you told me the story one time about being cardinals office, and what you would happen. Terms of just the random art. That's all over the Vatican. I went to interview he's now cardinal Sandri is offices in the app style pals and while I was waiting for him to come. I was with a journalist colleague while I was waiting for him to come out of the office. We're in a small room everywhere. You look I mean from the ceiling down literally in these rooms there's history. There's are. There's a amazing, you know, art objects, and I saw teensy small window probably only two feet high and one foot across and I went over to see what I could see through that window. Where was I in Vatican City state, and I looked out the window. I turned around to come back, and I saw breathtaking mosaics of very small room. I literally could have held my arms out and touch the right in the left end walls. I asked my colleague, I said you have to come and see this. This is make -nificant. He said, no, no, no what you know what if the archbishop box in. I said well so few minutes later the archbishop comes in. And we have our interview much much longer than expected at the end. I asked him, and I don't know why. But I switched to Italian. I said your excellency what is that beautiful little room a few feet down here, and he took Meyer and he smiled and he said that's the best question. You've asked today, and it turned out to be what used to be a papal bathroom. It was a room painted by Raphael. And so I'm look the only thing that it was any sign. It was a bathroom was the tube. Coming out of the wall. Where water would have come out under the semi sprints when we were visiting. I think it was the secretary of state for foreign relations or state relations that entire corridor. The ceiling has been was painted by Raphael. And I have this image that it was a slow summer. And he said to the pope, you know, I could use some work. The pope said well at the ceiling, but I mean, don't you as you walk around here when you take the Vatican museum itself as normal? But when you take all of the art and radical city, it has to be the largest art collection the world, it's breathtaking. I have to say whenever I'm in the museums or the apostolic palace. I am in awe of the art of the men. Many of whom fantastic artists they were mere pupils of Michelangelo or Raphael. I mean, you go into the board you rooms. And the fact that hundreds of years later, you are still looking at this amazing art. It never see silver. Well, me just the sheer quantity of it. And I know people have said, well, you know, the pope talks about feeding the poor. Why don't you sell the art? The Vatican doesn't consider the art. There's to own they consider themselves as guardians of art. That has been given the was done by popes are given to popes over the years. And I know one important thing to know about the Vatican museums is that there's a group called the patrons of the Vatican museums and that came about through an American diplomat the first American ambassador to the Holy See William Wilson and in nineteen eighty four he was named Basseterre Shirley after that or about this time he was going through the museums. And he asked the director now, how do you raise money to buy art or to refurbish art restore tapestry? And the director said I think it was Walter pair Sakata, and he said at the time we can't spend money buying art or refurbish. Shing not when there's hunger in the world, not when there's people out there who need money for humanitarian reasons. So he said we have to rely on donations. Someone wants to give us a painting money to restore something and Matt's. How Bill Wilson thought of bringing about this group the patrons of the Vatican museums just so that the church does not have to spend because it doesn't want to spend money buying art. Now, if they need to acquire art or repair something restore something the money is there through the patriots. So I always think that's an important thing for people to know about the art in the Vatican. Because as you know, there's so much of it the gallery of maps, the beautiful ceilings anyone who comes to Rome, the conspire the time you can easily spend a day or more. Oh, sure. Such an extraordinary museum, and it's so much of it is history of its own, right? So it's not just it's not. Going to multiple museum of the Loof, which are great great museums. But this actually is the living history where the people who you know, Michael was working here Michelangelo designed the dome of Saint Peter's and one of the four hundred things he didn't his life. So you're actually in the middle of the production of the art. You're also witnessing is a historic context here that you don't get. I think in any of the museum in the world and politics was the great pope for adding to the art. He felt that there was not a very good modern art section, and he did love modern art, and he collected two things for the museum's. He got people to donate certain pieces of what we become at an he also had a huge autograph collection a kept letters from heads of state. And if he could find out who's autograph from missing, so he had a great autograph collection. There was once an exhibit will probably twenty years ago in the Vatican and Paul's art collection. So you know, you remind. In terms of the sort of historic depth here. One of the things that is limited in the number of people per day. They can do it. But it's called the Scotty tour. Hell, yeah. And can you share in terms of giving you a feeling for why Saint Peter's matters? And why it's historically so central to the practice of Christianity. The sky toured seems to me is one of the things that just blows your mind, a must sky, of course, from the talian word for excavations and in nineteen forty nine when there were actually excavating under Saint Peter's to create a foundation for tomb of. I think it was by the eleventh or worker fell through a certain area ended up in what we would call catacombs. That's the word probably most people would know better. And he finds this underground burial area. And after quite a bit of research. They actually came across the tomb that they knew had to be. Saint Peter's, which we do now know from many many tests was where Saint Peter was buried and the fascinating thing is if you were to take a plumb line from the center of the dome, it goes right through the center of the main altar right through the floor of the basilica down into the Scotty, right? Where the tomb of Saint Peter is so that the Skopje tour lasts about an hour and a half, you have dough since taking you through this pre constant Constantine necropolis. You're speechless. All the time because of the history, you're going back two thousand years, you're going back to the first pope, Peter. And then all the other graves whatever's written on the graves or the are the little monuments, the is explained by the wonderful people who take you through the sky. It is the only thing is groups are small it's only like ten twelve max fifteen people in a group just because the spaces are so small. Who's also challenged that too? Many people bring too much carbon dioxide in in the changes, the composition and risk messing the bones as you're actually looking share real summitter as it does. I mean, even in the museums, which is why they have such an amazing air conditioning and air freshening system a lighting system at cetera. So, but the Scotty I don't know how many groups they bring in a day, not really that many groups, and as I said, they're only twelve or fifteen they don't allow anyone under the age of twelve if I'm not mistaken, but it's definitely worth it for an awesome sense of history. I talked to people casually who if you're at all claustrophobic, you're really underground you are and you really in the middle of all of these cemeteries, and it's quite a minutes, very, very narrow passageways and everything. Yeah. But I found myself as a historian and as a Christian when you finally end up. At the center, and you have the guys saying to you based on every all the data. We have sometime around sixty eighty this is where they buried Peter. And that's why this whole thing is entire complex basically circles around his grave having you're looking at two thousand years of history to me. It's just stunning one. The original Saint Peter's basilica was built over the grave that was the whole idea and that was inaugurated in three twenty six many years later that was raised the ground for the new current basilica, which we see that's when so much of what we call the sky today. It was just raised right over and they had ground fill. So what you and I are walking in today for many, many years was just covered with ground Phil when they came in and put all that ground in there as a foundation for the new basilica, which is dedicated by the way on the same day in the year, sixteen twenty six so three twenty six to sixteen twenty six very very big fan of Michelangelo just because. Length of his life in the range. And and the notion that when you first walk into Saint Peter's over on the right is magnificent. I'll of Mary holding Christ in white marble, which he did as a very young, man. And it's a stunning piece of sculptor. And then you keep walking in and you look up and here's the dome, which he did I think he's eighty three they call even they say, we got this problem. We can't quite figure the dome out. It's really big. And he said, no, I'll do it in passing. So his you look at his entire lifetime with the Sistine Chapel in between. And you know, the pietas his one of only two works. He signed his name. He went to the basilica one night, Charlie after the pita had been placed in the basilica NAT where it is today further up towards the main altar and happened to be there as to cardinals were walking in the basilica. And one of them looked at the statute you have never seen this before. I wonder who did it. Well. Michelangelo was what do you mean? You wonder who did it? Yeah. Right. And so when they left he went, and he sculpted his name on the band of material that goes across Mary stress, and the only other piece that he signed was Moses he sculpted his own image in to Moses huge beard. That's in the church of Saint Peterson chains. So the two signed works by Michelangelo. That's world. Yeah. Again, as part of what I find about room. You know, the you've got in this is I guess a common in your good sense, many many years ago deciding to Italy, but you've got the church you got the extrordinary renaissance and all the different art that came out of that music sculptor paintings or cadet your then you have the Roman empire. Then you have modern Italy. Exactly. And then you have a really nice little restaurant with some wine and supposed to all of this comes together. Everything you could want in life. Is right here. It really really is. When we come back. We'll talk one of my favorite restaurants in Rome where I frequently run into Joe lava, Tori. A good night's sleep is so important to argued health. So when I went out shopping for a new set of sheets, recently, I was on a mission to find super soft sheets made with quality organic cotton. 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That's n e w t go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, that's B O L L, andbranch dot com. Promo code, Newt, bollandbranch dot com, promo code n e w t. One of the things when you talk about for just a minute for all of our friends who are listening who may somebody come to Rome. The most commonplace for close to me to find you as lava, Tori, you've got to share lava toria lavatory as a matter of fact, as we speak is a hundred years old. They're celebrating their centenary opened in nineteen nineteen the current owner cloudy, oh started out a number of years ago twenty or so years ago in the kitchen one of his sons now is following in his footsteps in the kitchen as the chef. But what's wonderful Lovato's area is about two hundred yards off of the left hand colonnade of Saint Peter's Square, it's not the only restaurant in the area. But it surely is the most popular you have the Swiss guards go there, so many people from the Roman curia people from the North American college. I don't think I have ever had a meal, lunch or dinner without ROY. Running into a friend from the Vatican listener addicted to their pizza. Yeah. Oh, yes. I've seen a few pictures. I think you've been at the table with. To when we've, you know had a little pro seco- and a wonderful slice of pizza or some other fabulous fabulous past. But it was very expensive. And who switch Portwood makes Liu so interesting that you can visit Saint Peters walk a couple blocks and be this really relaxed pleasant, and we had very good restaurant. And this is the kind of thing that pope Francis. Mrs he would love to be able as he did in point. Sarah's just to be able to walk out and be with people sit down, and and you know, at a lavatory and have have a pizza and just enjoy he he's dying to have pizza. I mean, you can have it sent in. But that's not the same thing. You know, why eaten when you can go out to this colorful restaurant in the summer, you said outside and enjoy watching people walk by you've known and soon close up for different popes. How do you compare them? Why think it'd be precise in mentioning by the way the five? Popes are John the twenty third Paul sixth John Paul Benedict and Francis. Those are the five popes in whose presence I've been and it was the last four that I have had the privilege of speaking to John Paul many many times. But one thing about John the twenty third when I earlier mentioned that his incorrupt body is in an open casket in Saint Peter's basilica by incorrupt. I mean, this is his body. He did not deteriorate into just a skeleton form. See you're looking at a pope in this crystal casket that looks like he's simply sleep bodies of people anybody not just pope when they're going to be be Atta fide the church asks that their bodies be exhumed. And in his case. Of course, it was exumed, but it was found to be incorrupt. That is to say he looked like he was just sleeping and pope, actually. Cardinal Shiva's made an exception with John Paul. He did not want the tomb open of John Paul for beatification. So it never was. But lots of interesting stories about the pope's when you talk with the folks who knew you got to join circle. But there was a very brief John Paul in between just disappear. Right. Can you can you disarm that must have been unusual, sir? What thirty days, I think. I'm right. The reason I did not mention one pope. And that was John Paul we now call him John Paul the first, but the Popa was elected after Paul the six only was pope for a month. And he had been the cardinal archbishop of Venice. But a Popolo Shani and the story I love about him is he was actually signing a document one of the few that he did sign in the month that he was pope he died in September of nineteen seventy eight Paul the six had died in August of seventy eight John Paul. I died in September than we had John Paul the second elected Tober sixteenth of nineteen seventy eight, but John Paul home. We now call the first because there can't be a first unless there's second. He signed a document one day, and he wrote in Latin John Paul, and he put the Roman numeral one and the Monsignor standing next to him said your holiness, you do not put a one before your name, and he looked at him. And he said there will be John Paul to that's probably the most one of the most astonishing stories about John Paul one. So you're like pope Francis. In the beginning people mistakenly wrote Francis the first he only becomes Francis. The I if there is a Francis the second in talking about the five popes, you asked me the difference between them John the twenty third to me was like a grandfather. I would love to have sat down next to him. I knew some of the stories I had read a few things before we met him and his great great great sense of humor. The famous question, of course, when he was asked to walk into the Vatican gardens one day, he was asked by his visitor. Oh, now your holiness how many? People work at the Vatican. And he said well about half. So that's probably one of John's most famous lines. I always felt that I wanted to know man, I never got to with Paul six. He came across as a person you wanted to be you felt you should be more formal with. He just came across as the intellect. The and I understand personally that he was a very very warm person. He cared about the people and their families those who worked for him and so forth with John Paul. I had so many more moments to experience with him and Benedict fewer than John Paul, but more than an aunt than any other Pope Benedict. I just absolutely door. He is such a wonderful gentleman an erudite person. But for some reason, I did want to get to know him. I felt wonderful in his company when Benedict looked at you. He had the bluest eyes which never seemed to show up. Is that blue in pictures when Benedict looked at you? You were the only person in the room. What you have just said was of the maximum importance. It was an amazing Yoni had a few seconds sometimes post, but still they could be amazing. And then with Francis. They've been I've met him three times more or less fleeting visits. But I was a reader at mass in his chapel his private chapel. So we got to talk after that mass. And that was very very nice. But again, I think with certainly with with John Paul approachable. That's how I would say John the twenty third John Paul and pope Francis. The word approachable immediately comes to mind, but anybody who said to me that. Oh, Benedict was so cold, and I'd go. Oh, wow. You didn't give him a chance. His warmth was a different kind of warmth. Maybe people wouldn't have called him a people's pope. But I did bring reviews score. Oh, amazing group fuel. The twentieth century. So all I may think that's part of what surrounds his his image. But tell me about it's been it's been fun. Watching Callisto have an opportunity as the embassador to meet with pope Francis. And to be in those kinds of settings, and he has always been very warm and very charming when he's interacting with her. And he also likes music, and because of her background in the basilica choir. She gave him some CDs from the basilica, and he really enjoyed them. It's a clear part of who he is. But you get the sense that my this is my take any he is the most likely parish priest and he's not a theologian. He's not a grand strategist. He's a guy who wants to live his religion. And in that process, bring his flock, and he he just thinks of the now's a bigger flock, but he really behaves a lot of ways like a parish. I don't know if you would agree with that or not I think that's what he wants to do more. Than anything. And of course, he he that's why for so long. He didn't go out to some of the parishes in Rome, light John-Paul did almost all of the parachutes he visited Benedict visited a number of the John-Paul hadn't. But Francis did find out what parishes in Rome had not been visited by pope and many were fairly new parishes created since the year two thousand and so he would have twenty five people including the pastor and assistant pastor from that parish come to his chapel for mass in the morning. It's a very different setting just twenty five people as opposed to maybe hundreds or thousand or something, but he does care about parish life. I think you're right. If it was up to him he'd walk out some morning and go to Saint Monica's or some of the other churches within walking distance. I mean, I have there's four four places including Saint Peter's where I could go to mass within five minutes or my house walk you've room. Number of people troops over the years. Not on the papal plane. I did cover the papal trips when rush at the Vatican. We cover the trips from inside Vatican City. We did not go. There was a separate logistic staff from the press office at went. But with each WGN, I've covered various papal visits, mostly, of course, with Benedict. And so it's still on my bucket list to go on the papal plane, certainly on who's playing I would love to have been all the trips of John Paul a hundred and four foreign apostolic trips. And then I've forgotten, but it's a very high number, you know, in the seventies eighties nineties in Italy, or it's probably in more than that where he would visit institutions in Rome diocese's in other parts of Italy and so forth because he was very peripatetic pulp for sure, but he never wanted to be away longer than like twelve days. So he would go to Asia he'd visit as many countries as he could. But he never. Wanted to be away from Rome because pope's are also the bishops of Rome, we have to always remember that. And he never wanted to be away from Rome for more than twelve days. One of the great joys for close to getting to know you and you've been a remarkable friend. I think today once again, you've outdone yourself people can find you both through your website Jones wrong. But also on WTN that is Jones Rome. It's my column you can sign up to have it sent to you. And I can't tell you how blessed I am our friendship goes back to real ten years. And it was a Popa brought us together. John Paul a man, we deeply love, and we're delighted he's a Saint. So our lives have been intertwined Washington. Our friends, they're the choir. Now, Rome, a pope was a Saint and a friend who's in a Basseterre. Yup. Is always Joan. It's been great fun. Thank you for this. It's just been great. It's been my joy. Thank you. Gladly. Radzi? Thank you to my guest. Joan Lewis, you can find links to many of the sites in Rome we've discussed in his episode as well as Jones cookie recipes photographs of her with the pope, she's met and some clips from her story career on our show page at Newt's world dot com. Neutral is produced by Westwood One. The executive producer is Debbie Meyers. Harper users Garnsey slow our editor is Robert burrow, sqi our researcher who's Rachel Peterson the artwork for the show was created by Steve penalty. The music was composed by Joyce special. Thanks to the team Gingrich. 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St. John Paul II - Letter to Artists
"Welcome to Catholic Culture Audio Books Action of Catholic Culture Dot Org and under the patronage of Saint John Henry Newman my name is James Mayevsky all the second narrated by James T Mayevsky the letter of His Holiness Pope John Paul the second to artists letter to artists written by Saint Joan they may offer these as gifts to the world God saw all that he had made and it was the full text of this letter can be found at the Vatican website linked to reading will return to Newman and the father's with our next episode until very good genesis one thirty one the artist image of God and of his life and this letter holds interest not just for artists but for the whole Church as Saint John Paul points out the church needs artists lately throughout the letter Saint John Paul includes many examples sometimes entire lists for each of the artistic periods to which he alludes and often overlooked for his many contributions elsewhere with letter to artists however it seems clear to me that Saint John Paul remained an artist at heart to the to all who are passionately dedicated to the search for new epiphanies of beauty so that through their creative work is artists wile we've included this art history overview we've chosen to include only a few of these specific examples given this is perhaps most notable on the end artists need the church if you're an artist yourself or if you have an artist in your life or simply appreciate the many contributions that on humanism and the renaissance where we've forgotten a rather lengthy explication of some of the Vatican's artistic treasures missile episodes show notes there you can also find instructions on how to register at Catholic Culture Dot Org for full and free access to these audiobooks relatively few people throughout history who have had a letter addressed to them from pope much less a saint with today's reading the artists in our audience can take note on Easter Sunday nineteen ninety nine Saint John Paul the second penned a letter addressed to them and as if his being a pope and a saint weren't news with Mike Aquilina and the Catholic Culture podcast with Thomas v MIRA's enjoy off of credential Carava Teela as he was known prior to his election to the papacy was an artist himself a poet playwright and an actor uh all it takes is your name and email address and you'll gain access to tons of free Catholic content and don't forget to check out our other podcast offerings way of the father instead there are perhaps the Creator non-consent more deeply than you artists ingenious creators of beauty that you are something artists make to culture and to the church than this letter is well worth listening to I should also note that we've chosen to abridge this letter somewhat slow the pathos with which God at the dawn of creation looked upon the work of his hands a glimmer of that feeling has shown so often in your who co founded and performed with one of the most significant Polish theater troupes of the last century the RHAPSODIC theatre what you left behind an important artistic legacy is when like the artists of every age captivated by the hidden power of sounds and words colors and shapes you have admired the work of your inspiration feel closely linked by experiences reaching far back in time and which have indelibly marked my life in writing this letter I intend to follow the path of the fruitful dialogue between the church and artists which has gone on unbroken through two thousand years of history and which still associated you that is why it seems to me that there are no better word than the text of Genesis with which to begin my letter to you to whom then sensing in it some echo of the mystery of creation with which God the sole creator of all things has wished in some way to at the threshold of the third millennium offers rich promise for the future in fact this dialogue is not dictated merely by historic God as creator this relationship is particularly clear in the Polish language because of the lexical link between the words sport Cy Creator the opening page of the Bible presents God as a kind of exemplar of everyone who produces a work the human craftsman mirrors the image of Michael accident or practical need but is rooted in the very essence of both religious experience and Artistic Creativity bestows being itself he brings something out of nothing ex nihilo Soviet superiority as the Latin puts it and this industry cents is a mode of operation which belongs to the Almighty alone the craftsman by contrast uses something that already exists to which he did being the noblest fruit of his design to whom he subjected the visible world as a vast field in which human inventiveness might assert itself in woman in his image the Bible adds that he entrusted to them the task of dominating the Earth this was the last day of creation and twitter craftsman what is the difference between Creator and craftsmen the one who creates appears more than ever in the image of God and he accomplishes this task above all in shaping the wondrous material of his own humanity and then gives form and meaning this is the mode of operation peculiar to man as made in the image of God and fact after saying that God created man God therefore called man into existence committing to him the CRAFTSMAN's task through his artistic creativity man exercising creative dominion over the universe which surrounds him with loving regard the divine artist passes onto the human artists a spark his own surpassing wisdom calling him to share in his creative power obviously this is a sharing which leaves intact the infinite distance between Creator and the creature as Cardinal Nicholas Accusa made clear creative art which it is the souls good fortune to entertain is not to be on the previous day's marking as it were the rhythm of the birth of the cosmos y'all we had created the universe finally he created the human identified with that essential art which is God himself but his only a communication of IT and they share in it a work of art a masterpiece it is important to recognize the distinction but also the connection between these two aspects of human activity the distinction is clear it is one thing for human beings to be the authors of their own acts with responsibility for their moral value it is another to be an subjects but it says nothing as yet of his moral character we are speaking not of molding oneself of forming one's own personality but simply thanks and to raise to God a hymn of praise this is the only way for them to come to a full understanding of themselves their vocation and their mission the term yet as genesis has it all men and women are entrusted with the task of crafting their own life in a certain sense they are to make of it this is fundamental but no less important is the connection between them each conditions the other a profound way in producing work artist able that is to respond to the demands of art and faithfully to accept arts specific dictates this is what makes the artist capable of producing actualising ones productive capacities giving aesthetic form to ideas conceived in the mind the distinction between the moral and artistic aspect that is why artists the more conscious they are of their gift or lead all the more to see themselves in the whole of creation with is able to contemplate and give me in the special vocation of the artist not all are called to be artists in the specifics artists express themselves to the point where their work becomes a unique disclosure of their own being of what they are and of how they are what they are and there were endless examples of this in human history in shaping a masterpiece the artist not only summons his work into being but also in some way review all he had created was good God saw that it was beautiful as well the link between good and beautiful stirs fruitful reflection and his works the artist speaks to others and communicates with them the history of art therefore is not only a story of works produced but Russian which artists offer to the history of culture the artistic vocation in the service of beauty a noted Polish poet Ciprian Noreen wrote that beauty is to enthuse us for work and work is to raise us up the theme of beauty is decisive for a discourse on art it was already present when I stressed God's delighted gaze upon creation in perceiving that feels his own personality by means of it for him art offers both a new dimension and an exceptional mode of expression for his spiritual growth through of divine spark which is the artistic vocation as poet writer sculptor architect musician actor and so on feel at the same time certain sense beauty is the visible form of the good just as the good is the metaphysical condition of beauty this was well understood by the Greeks who by being the two concepts coined a term which embraces both Kaluka Gothia or beauty goodness on this point Plato writes the ship with being with the truth and with the good the artist has a special relationship to beauty in a very true sense it can be said that the artist and the common good society needs artists just as it needs scientists technicians workers professional people witnesses of the faith teachers fathers and mothers who ensure the growth of the person and the development beauty is the vocation bestowed on him by the Creator in the gift of artistic talent and certainly this too is a talent which ought to be made hour of the good has taken refuge in the nature of the beautiful it is in living and acting that man establishes his relations the obligation not to waste this talent but to develop it in order to put it at the service of their neighbor and of humanity as a whole of the community by means of that supreme art form which is the art of education within the vast cultural panorama of each nation artists have their unique place obedient to their inspiration in creating works both worthwhile and beautiful they not only enriched the cultural heritage of achieved popularity and still less by the calculation of some possible profit for themselves there is therefore an ethic even a spirituality bear fruit in keeping with the sense of the Gospel parable of the talents here we touch on an essential point those who perceive themselves this kind of artists decides the arena in which they serve and points as well to the tasks they must assume the hard work they must endure and the responsibility they must accept in declaring that beauty is to enthuse us for work and work is to raise us up art nation and of all humanity but they also render an exceptional social service in favor of the common good the particular vocation of individual by means of graven or molten image because God transcends every material representation I am who I am yet artists who are conscious of all this no to that they must labor without allowing themselves to be driven by the search for empty glory or the craving so a story of men and women works of art speak of their authors they enable us to know their inner life and they reveal the original contract every genuine artistic intuition goes beyond what the senses perceive and reaching beneath realities surface strives to interpret he has also unveiled a new dimension of Beauty of which the Gospel message is filled to the brim sacred scripture has thus become a sort of immense the mystery of the incarnation in becoming man the son of God has introduced into human history all the evangelical wealth of the true in the good and with this of human existence the created world and God himself this Prime Epiphany of God who is mystery is both an encouragement and and the mystery of the word made flesh the law of the Old Testament explicitly forbids representation of the invisible and ineffable God vocabulary Paulk Ladele and Iconic Graphic Atlas Marc chagall from which both Christian culture and art have drawn it in the mystery of the incarnation the son of God becomes visible in person when the fullness of time had come God sent four the challenge to Christians also at the level of artistic creativity from it has come a flowering of beauty which has drawn its sap precisely from his son born of woman God became man in Jesus Christ who thus becomes the central point of reference for an understanding of the `Nigma the to acknowledge their limits and to make their own the words of the Apostle Paul according to whom God does not dwell enshrines made by human hands so that the origins the art which Christianity encountered in its early days was the knowledge conferred by faith is of a different kind it presupposes a personal encounter with God in Jesus Christ yet this reality of things is always beyond the powers of human perception how much more so is God in the depths of his unfathomable mystery in of beauty and of the mysterious unity of things all artists experienced the unbridgeable gap which lies between the work of their hands however success action of the unfathomable mystery which engulfs and inhabits the world a fruitful alliance between the Gospel and art believer's above all have gained from it in their experience of prayer and Christian living indeed for many of them in times when few could read or write represented we ought not to think that the deity is like gold or silver or stone a representation by human art and imagination if the intimate thing they're creating is no more than a glimmer of the splendor which flared for a moment before the eyes of their spirit believers fine inspiration began therefore any minor key strictly tied to the need for believers to contrive scripture-based signs to express both the mysteries of faith it also in the field of art faith obliged Christians to a discernment which did not allow an uncritical acceptance of this heritage art of Christian it's hidden mystery the intuition itself springs from the depths of the human soul where the desire to give meaning to one's own life is joined by the fleeting in any way surprising that this leaves the spirit overwhelmed as it were so that it can only stammer in reply true artists above all are the ripe fruit of the classical world articulating its aesthetic cannons and embodying its values not only in their way of living and thinking almost imperceptibly the first traces of a new art when the edict of Constantine allowed Christians to declare themselves in full freedom nothing strange in this they know that they have had a momentary glimpse of the abyss of light which has its original wellspring in God is and it is therefore a wholly valid approach to the realm of faith which gives human experience it's ultimate meaning that is why the Gospel it may be and the dazzling perfection of the beauty glimpsed in the order of the creative moment what they managed to express in their painting their skull at the same time modified to meet the demands of the new form of worship while architecture designed space for worship gradually the need to content does which marked the first appearance of an art both pictorial and plastic the fish the loaves the shepherd evoking the mystery they became and a symbolic code by which they could distinguish and identify themselves especially in the difficult times of persecution who does not recall the symbol art became a privileged means for the expression of faith majestic basilicas began to appear in the architectural canons of the pagan world were reproduced eighty of artistic service which contributes in its way to the life and renewal of a people it is precisely this to which ciprian Nord seems to allude Nisa Truth was bound from the beginning to stir the interest of artists who by their very nature are alert to every epiphany of the inner beauty of things knowledge to can be enriched by artistic intuition every genuine art form in its own way is a path to in most reality of man and of the world found a Christian poetry which was often of high quality not just as the all Aji but also as literature a little later Gregory the great compiled nations of the Bible were a concrete mode of Cata cases but for everyone believers are not the works of art inspired by scripture remain a refund late the mystery and to present it explicitly to the simple people led to the early forms of painting and sculpture there appeared as well the first elements of art in word and today in honor of the Feast of Saint John Paul the second we take a brief departure from Newman and the fathers to bring you his letter to artists tired modulations was to become down the centuries the music of the church's faith in the liturgical celebration of the sacred mysteries the beautiful Tariam and thus laid the ground for the organic development of that most original sacred music which takes its name from him Gregorian chant within view brief references to each of the many different art forms the creative power of the centuries of the Christian Middle Ages an entire culture albeit with the ask expressed in cathedrals and Abbey's slowly evolved into the soaring splendors of the gothic these forms portray not only the genius of an artist it's beyond to the subject which represents the Middle Ages the succeeding centuries saw agree the ICONOCLAST crisis sacred images which were already widely used in Christian devotion became the object of violent contention the development of Christian art in the East the art of the icon continued to flourish obeying theological and aesthetic norms charged with meaning and sustain be used within the logic of signs as a sensory evocation of the mystery the icon is venerated not for its own sake but fictions of the cultural world of their time the artistic heritage built up over the centuries includes a vast array of sacred works of great inspiration which still path there were troubled moments precisely on the issue of depicting the Christian mystery there arose in the early centuries a bitter controversy known to history as into the world of visible realities his humanity building a bridge between the visible and the invisible then by analogy a representation of the mystery could by the conviction that in a sense the icon is a sacrament by analogy with what occurs in the sacraments the icon makes present the mystery the decisive argument which the bishops appealed in order to settle the controversy was the mystery of the incarnation if the son of God had come today leave The observer full of admiration in the first place there are the great buildings for worship in which the functional is always wedded to the creative impulses escape -able limits of all that is human had become imbued with the Gospel and where theology produced the Soom of Saint Thomas Church Art Molded matter the the soul of a people in the play of light and shadow informs at times massive at times delicate structural considerations certainly come in inspired by a sense of the beautiful and intuition of the mystery from here came the various styles well known in the history of art the strength and simplicity of the Roman not of this earth which fill the space of heaven in the West Artists Start from the most varied viewpoints depending also on the underlying the of the incarnation in one or other of its aspect that is why the beauty of the icon can be best appreciated in church where in the shadows burning lamps stir infinite flickerings of light as Pavel Florenz ski has written by the flat light of day called his crude heavy useless but hand as he himself described the divine comedy humanism and the renaissance the play but so too do the tensions peculiar to the experience of God the mystery both awesome and alluring how is one to summarize with the way which led to adoration of the mystery and wonderful poet Dante alighieri could compose the sacred palm to which both heaven and earth have turned their The tremendous light of a lamp or candle it springs to life and glitters in sparks beyond counting now here now they're evoking the sense of other. Lights Council held at NASA in seven eighty seven which decreed the legitimacy of images and their veneration was a historic event not just for the faith but for culture itself the favourable cultural climate that produced the extraordinary artistic flowering of humanism and the renaissance also had a significant impact on the way in which the artists of the period approached the religious theme what has characterized sacred art more and more under the impulse of humanism and the Renaissance and then of successive role in scientific trends is a growing interest in everything human in the world and in the reality of history in itself such a concern the way in which Michelangelo represents the beauty of the human body in his painting and sculpture towards a renewed dialogue it is true nevertheless that in the modern era alongside this Christian humanism which has continued to produce important works of culture and art own is not at all a danger for Christian faith centered on the mystery of the incarnation and therefore on God's valuing the human being suffice it to think of another kind of humanism marked by the absence of God and often by opposition to God has gradually asserted itself such an atmosphere has sometimes led to a separation of the world of art and the world of faith at least in the sense that many artists have a diminished interest in religious themes you know however that the church has not ceased to nurture great appreciation for the value of art as such even beyond its typically religious expressions redemption it is clear therefore why the church is especially concerned for the dialogue with art and is keen that in our own time there'd be a new science insofar as it seeks the beautiful fruit of an imagination which rises above the every day art is by its nature a kind of appeal to the Mr Eastern community in the spirit of the second Vatican Council the Second Vatican sorry even when they explored the darkest depths of the soul or the most unsettling aspects of evil artists give voice in a way to the universal desire for figurative which are in their own way not only aesthetic representations but genuine sources of theology who art has a close affinity with the world of faith so that even in situations where culture and the church are far apart art remains a kind of bridge too religious needs art art must make perceptible and as far as possible attractive the world of the spirit of the invisible of God nineteen sixty four from such cooperation the church hopes for a renewed epiphany of beauty in our time and after responses to the particular needs of the spare beauty like truth brings joy to the human heart and is that precious fruit which resists the erosion of time which Unites Generations and the church means art in order to communicate the message entrusted to her by Christ the church cover his place in history and the universe to portray his miseries enjoys his knees in strengths with a view to a better future on this basis at the end counsel laid the foundation for a renewed relationship between the Church and culture with immediate implications for the world of art this is a relationship offered either introduced into the liturgy or used as an aid to dignified worship in song faith is experienced as vibrant joy love and and friendship openness and dialogue in the pastoral Constitution Gowd e-emits Pez the fathers of the council stressed the great importance of literature and the the council the fathers addressed a greeting and an appeal to artists this world they said in which we live needs beauty in order not to sink into artists as having ennoble ministry when their works reflect in some way the infinite beauty of God and raise people's minds to him thanks also arts in human life they seek to probe the true nature of man his problems and experiences as he strives to know and perfect himself and the world to it must therefore translate into meaningful terms that which is in itself ineffable art has a unique capacity to take one or other facet of the transcendent value and its aura of mystery the church has need especially of those who can do this on the literary and figurative level using the end confident expectation of the saving intervention of God the Church needs architects because she needs spaces to bring the Christian the question may seem like a provocation yet rightly understood it is both legitimate and profound artists are constantly alliance with artists as called for by my revered predecessor pull the six in his vibrant speech to artists during a special meeting he had with them in the Sistine Chapel on May seventh code themselves adept at responding to the exigencies of Christian worship confirming that the religious theme can still inspire architectural design in our own day when Father Marie Dominique Shannon claims that the work of the Historian of theology would be incomplete if he failed to give due attention to works of art both literary and centuries by people deeply imbued with the sense of the mystery the faith of countless believers has been nourished melodies flowing from the hearts of other believers Liam recalled the historic friendliness of the church towards art and referring more specifically to sacred art the summit of religious heart did not hesitate to consider in the incarnation the icon of the unseen God the Church also needs musicians how many sacred works have been composed through the Nabil's them to be one in admiration in this spirit of profound respect for beauty the constitution on the sacred Liturgy Sacre sanctum conscious to the help of artists the knowledge of God can be better revealed and the preaching of the Gospel can become clearer to the human mind in this light it comes as no surprise not infrequently these architects have constructed churches which are both places of prayer and true works of art does is art need the church the Church therefore needs art can also be said that art needs of the church bliss possibilities of images and their symbolic force Christ himself made extensive use of images in his preaching fully in keeping with his willingness to become message and translated into colors shapes and sounds which nourish the intuition of those who look or listen it does so without emptying the message itself of its reveals God but fully reveals man to man in Christ God has reconciled the world to himself all believers are allegations of the east it remains true however that because of its central doctrine of the incarnation of the word of God Christianity offers artists a Harare this partnership has been a source of mutual spiritual enrichment ultimately it has been a great boon for an understanding of man of the authentic source of inspiration is offered by that kind of homeland of the soul that is religion is it not perhaps within the realm of religion that the most vital person and in art this is your task humanity in every age and even today looks to works of art to shed image and truth of the person the special bond between art and Christian revelation has also become evident this does not mean that human genius has not found Inspir- pulled together and celebrate the mysteries of salvation after the terrible destruction of the last World War and the growth of great cities a new generation of architects light upon its path and it's destiny the creator spirit and artistic inspiration old bear witness to this but it is up to you men and women who have given your lives to art to declare with all the wealth of your ingenuity that in Christ the no questions are posed and answers both concrete and definitive are sought in fact the religious theme has been among those most frequently treated by her waters what affinity between the words breath breathing and inspiration the spirit is the mysterious ruled is redeemed the human person is redeemed the human body is redeemed and the whole creation which according to Saint Paul a waits impatiently is an especially rich in inspiration what an impoverishment it would be for art to abandon the inexhaustible mine of the Gospel an appeal to artists with this letter I turn to you the artists of the world to assure you revelation of the children of God is redeemed the creation awaits the revelation of the children of God also through art into the mystery of man human beings in a certain sense are unknown to themselves Jesus Christ not only view of my esteem and to help consolidate a more constructive partnership between art and the Church mine is an invitation to rediscover the depth of assists in every age the church has always appealed to their creative powers in interpreting the Gospel message and discerning its precise application in the life of the Christian community search of the hidden meaning of things and their torment is to succeed in expressing the world of the ineffable how then can we fail to see what a great you Christian artists I wish to remind each of you that beyond functional considerations the close alliance that has always existed between the Gospel in art the spiritual and religious dimension which has been typical of art in its noblest forms in every age it is with this in mind that I appeal to you artists which is the starting point of every true work of art dear artists you well know that there are many impulses which was utterly beyond the beauty that saves on the threshold of the artist of the universe looking to the third millennium I would hope that all artists might receive in abundance the gift of that creative inspiration either from within or from without can inspire your talent every genuine inspiration however contains some tremor of that breath with USCIS the earth was without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep and the spirit of God was moving over the face of the means that you are invited to use your creative intuition to enter into the heart of the mystery of the incarnation God and at the same time marvels of the universe wonder is the only appropriate attitude from this wonder there can come that enthusiasm of which Norwood spoken our minds fill with your grace the hearts you have created the Holy Spirit the breath is the one referred to already in the book of Gen late have I loved you beauty so old and so new late have I loved you artists of the often in the church there resounds the invocation to the Holy Spirit Veni Creator Spiritus come o Creator Spirit Viz the path in this sense it has been said with profound insight that beauty will save the world beauty is a key the written and spoken word of the theater and music of the plastic arts in the most recent technologies in the field of communication I appeal especially to you world may your many different paths all lead to that infinite ocean of beauty where wonder becomes aw exhilaration on creator spirit reaches out to human genius and stirs Creative Power He touches it with a kind of inner illumination which brings together the sense of the good nation in other religious contacts it is enough to recall the art of the ancient world especially Greek and Roman art or the art which still flourishes in the very ancient civil before us thanks to this enthusiasm humanity every time it loses its way we'll be able to lift itself up and set out again on the nineteen ninety nine Easter Sunday the poem to which I referred earlier people of today and tomorrow need this enthusiasm if they are to meet and master the crucial challenges which stand the Creator Spirit suffused the work of creation from the very beginning overseeing the mysterious laws governing the universe the divine breath of the the human soul to the sense of the eternal with my heart felt good wishes from the Vatican fourth of April may the blessed Virgin Mary be with you always she is the Tota Pulchra portrayed by countless artists whom Dante contemplates Qabail joy may you be guided and inspired by the mystery of the risen Christ whom the church in these days contemplates with joy cast is brought to you by Catholic culture dot org and made possible by listener support to donate please visit Catholic culture dot org slash donate slash long splendors of Paradise as beauty that was joy in the eyes of all the other saints from chaos there rises the world of the spirit these words of Adam Midst Gingrich written at a time of great hardship for his Polish homeland prompt my hope for you eight then to speak even if only analogically of moments of grace because the human being is able to experience in some way the absolute hoot view that's Catholic culture dot org slash donate slash audio the mystery and a call to transcendence it is an invitation to save her life and to dream of the future that is why the beauty of created things can good and the beautiful and he awakens energies of mind and heart which enable it to conceive an idea and give it form in a work of art it is right US onto generations still to come be such that it will stir them to wonder faced with the sacredness of life and of the human person and before the May your art helped to affirm that true beauty which as a glimmer of the spirit of God will transfigure matter opening third millennium. My hope for all of you who are artists is that you will have an especially intense experience of creative inspiration may the beauty which thus wedded to the true so that through art two souls might be lifted up from the world of the senses to the eternal along this copyright Vatican Publishing House Production Copyright Two thousand nine hundred ninety by Trinity Communications. This this has been Saint John Paul the second's letter to artists narrated by James T IFC ever fully satisfy it stirs that Hidden Astound for God which a lover of beauty like Saint Augustine could express in incomparable terms.
Listening for God in Everyday Life Dr. Joseph White on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor Podcast Special
"Discerning HEARTS DOT COM presents inside the pages insights from today's most compelling authors. I'm your host Chris Mcgregor and I am delighted to be joined by Dr. Joseph White was a nationally recognized clinical psychologist and a bestselling author. He is the director of Catechal resources for our Sunday visitor. The doctor Joseph White go inside the pages of listening forgot an everyday life published by our Sunday visitor. Joseph thank you so much for joining me. It's great to be with you. Chris. I can't think of a more timely book that has been published recently than yours because I think people are trying desperately right now to listen for God and the title of Your Book Is Listening for God in everyday life but I think all the things you bring forward. This is not everyday life for many people that were experiencing right now and I think this this is a great way to ground us again. Thank you so much for writing it. We'll thank you yeah. These are really uncertain times and of course an uncertain times. It's even more important for us to be listening for the Voice of God in our lives. What has brought you to to compile the book the way you have. Right now you know I. I used to struggle with people saying you know I heard God tell me this or God has been saying this or God put this on my heart and I struggled a little bit because sometimes people were saying things that I wasn't really sure God would say I I kind of begin to wrestle with this idea of how. How does God speak to us? Of course as Catholics. We know that our our sure sore source of God's Message to us is in sacred scripture and sacred tradition made But we also know that you know God speaks to us in a more personal way in many different ways and so I think this book really started From my own reflection on how does God speak to us? And how might we discern? What is the voice of God in our lives? Boys that important discerning it especially at can we say in the time of pandemics. That you know and the heightened anxiety at being able to you know. There's a difference between being led down panic road and Actually trying to make that place that you can make prudent decisions. There's the differences because prudence is something that God leads us into a dozen. He right right and sometimes that can seem like a fine line. You know I think many times over the last several days I think a number of us have been asking ourselves now. Is this overkill and my preparing too much and my imagining worst case scenario too much am I getting too obsessed with germs when I touched something And then you know we russell between that or is it prudent right now because we don't know where the viruses and things where we don't know what's going to happen down the road You know as we as we plan for the and and yet so often in scripture and so often in the words of particularly of of Saint John Paul the Great We here do not be afraid. You know and so we know that. God God wants us to be prudent. But he doesn't want us to be anxious. I think that's really important because he does want to speak to us. I mean there are a lot of people that will say. God's seems to be a part of what's happening here and of course he has. I mean if you're listening for him he has not abandoned us. He's he is right here and even the events of the day it got his allowed it. The father in heaven has allowed for some reason and that reason he will maybe not on the and the big global political structure. Will we understand? But maybe what's happening in our lives? Today he wants us to be able to hear him doesn't he? He does you know the one of the big struggles that people have In in faith I think And I think all of us kind of wrestle with this question at some point or another is why do bad things happen you know. Why does God allow bad things happen? And especially why does God allow bad things to happen to good people rain and this question has been posed throughout history and and I think the good news is our faith in some ways response to that question? We we can't fully respond to that question. And and the pope's have echoed this. I've heard John Paul. The second Pope Benedict Even Pope Francis more recently been have been asked this question. Why is God allowed bad things to happen and an even our pope's Chris have said you know I don't know then that there's no there's no quick and easy answer to that but then they they. I have heard all three of those pokes than say as an as an addendum to that. But we do know is that God understands suffering and that God is on the side of the suffering. That God is is right there beside us when we're struggling when we're anxious when we're sick When we're caring for the sick and so as we go through this you know very chaotic time right now around the world and the scary time. It's it's so important that we remember that and particularly if life gets really rough for us that God identifies with our suffering and he has right beside US especially especially when we're struggling and suffering yet. It's important frosted in in this time as we're preparing. I mean everybody. I can't think of a person that I know personally. That is not preparing. They are trying to put grass the their mind around what they need to do. But when that time comes when all of a sudden you alright. I'm prepared is time that taking the deep breath. And Oh wow okay now what what? How do I respond? What do I what do I do and in your book listening for God in Everyday Life? I think it is just right. You know remember like you say right in the very beginning you can see him in creation. You're not necessarily you know there's someone hurbon centers that will not be able to necessarily go out and walk around in the streets but there are those if if you can get out of out of the city and go find a part go find in a forest to go through some region just so that you can see him in creation. Even those of us that live Chris in in suburban areas. Where we might have backyards that are fenced-in or or big porches or things like that You know one of the things to import. Remember social distancing doesn't mean that we that we can't step outside and get some fresh air and and especially if we can keep our distance from from others in particularly from groups and things like that just being able to go outside and listen and experience nature. I remember reading recently comment from somebody in Wuhan China saying I used to think that we didn't have birds in Wuhan but it was actually the noise of the city that drown that out and now that it's quiet now that nobody's moving around. I can go out and hear all these birds singing and and being able to experience that aspect of God's creation in that silence Might also be away that God can speak to us through. All of this yeah. I think that's really important. Not I mean to be honest with you. I've noticed that he I've had a turn off the TV. I don't know about you Joseph but there is almost. It's too much I mean I'll watch a press conference from the with the President and then I and my local news and then everything else. I've got a shot off because it's it's can be overwhelming but in silence all of a sudden around the house you begin to notice the you're absolutely right it if you open this window. The the birds are singing. The you can hear the wind blowing you you can. You can hear other cars going. You can hear dogs barking. But there's I don't mean to over emphasize that but we we notice things now that we may have passed a spy. Yeah Yeah I think one of the unexpected blessings of a of a chaotic time like this is that we we rediscover some of those aspects of everyday life that we took for granted right. And you know I've been together with people being one of them But I've talked with some families recently. Who Are you know in Austin here? We're kind of going through this time of transition to people just kind of being at home Working at home being at home the kids are out of school probably for the rest of the year. We don't know for sure by lots appearance at home with their kids and spending a lot more time together than they have before and while on the one hand you know you hear some people going. Oh my goodness we're getting cabin fever on crazy on the other hand. I've also heard some family saying you know this extra time together is an unexpected blessing for us where we're communicating more. Were doing things together. And because we don't have to rush to meet any schedule we can take as long as we want to things together. It also in the Second. Chapter again so timely. It's listening to God in those in need and there are a lot of people in need right now and we're but we're living through a time that's telling you don't touch him. Don't shake hands. Don't hug and yet it it. It's almost in a way. It's almost a good thing because now we got to make the extra effort. Now you gotta find the way it. It's like you got to carry the cross in a in a in a different way. How does God speak to us in that case? Well you know we read in Matthew. Twenty five that whatever we do for those in need For the least of these especially that we've done for Jesus Christ and so we have a potential encounter which Jesus Christ when we meet somebody. Who's in need I think the people in need right now in a crisis like this are very often the folks that we find that are in need of other times to people who are facing food. Insecurity are not able to stock up on food and and prepare for something like this Food banks are very low right now because they can't get access to to canned food having to try to do both Biza that and things like that and so one thing that we can do right now is to get in touch with our parishes If the parish office is still open and a lot of cases they are even if NASA suspended Get in touch with our local Catholic charities our local Food Bank and say how can I donate? How can I help some families that are in need of assistance? Right now Another thing that I've seen that people have done this. Wonderful is They've they've offered to go shopping. For people that Are more vulnerable for the elderly for folks that have respiratory conditions that mean that they have to stay at home during a time. Like this Those folks are afraid to go out and rightly so because they've been advised not to go out But they need some help getting groceries and meeting basic needs and you know looking for folks In our lives who might be more vulnerable in might need that kind of assistance. The the wonderful thing the wonderful opportunity that we have when we do that. We're not just doing something for them as as I mentioned in the book When we do something for someone in need we get the greater gifts because we get an encounter with Jesus Christ himself and that's a promise from Jesus in Matthew Twenty Five. We're talking with Dr Joseph White about his book listening for God in Everyday Life and Joseph. The the gift that we've been given now and we've been kind of alluding to it in this conversation but it's to appreciate the things that are around us and essentially about appreciating but it's to really see or hear maybe that's the the Benedicta and you know listening with the ears of our heart seeing with the eyes of our. You know that the eyes of our heart even that you know he's in that and through our children That is that that's incredible gift. A blessing for us and we don't want to pass that by Dewey. We we sure. Don't Chris you know one of the. There's a chapter in the book on on how God speaks to us through children and one of the ways that God speaks to us through children is in the way that children are trusting of us and are open to us and and I think many children they worry a little bit less because they thought you know mom and dad are going to take care of it And even today you know I I can see Going out to the grocery store there are parents that are panicked looking for groceries and not finding what they need and kids that are laughing and playing with them sick. Just Trust Mom and dad will take care of it you know. And and that's a good thing you know that's an example for us In those moments of anxiety Jesus said we need to become like little children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. We need to be able to certainly be prudent but we also once we've done what we can do need to be able to say. God I am Your Son. Your daughter and I'm counting on you and I need your help and trust God to be with us through those times throughout the entire book you have after each chapter which are short chapters. There are many ways how we seek out so there are many chapters but after each one. There are kind of questions that we can ask ourselves and that's an answering the question. That's how we listen isn't it? It's one thing to observe all the things we've just mentioned but it's another thing when you actually receive it you're beginning to you know taken in and receive it. Isn't it right? Yeah I I wanted to offer in each of these chapters a reflection on a particular way God speaks to us. You know through creation through family through children through the liturgy through the saints number of different ways but then also encourage the reader to reflect on that in their own lives because You know I want us to to begin to apply each of these things and try to listen for God in each of these aspects of life. There's a great heartache. For many many people out there that God it the place we always at the very least thought we were hearing God was in our liturgy going demands going to confession and now that literally many cases the doors are closed. Yeah Yeah it's a very sad time for us of course and You know important to know that one of the things that we believe in trust as Catholics is that when the masses offered it is offered for the good of the whole church so even though public masses have been suspended Our priests our bishops are still saying mass for US each day And and that is for the good of the whole church and in many cases those masses are being live streamed You know there. There are a number of places all over the country and they're even a couple of websites that consolidated this where we can tune in to a massive. It's being live streamed and we can make an act of spiritual communion and certainly i. I know it's not the same. It's not just saying it's not the same for me. It's not the same for you. As being physically present in the mass and receiving physically receiving Jesus body blood soul in Vanity. And yet we do have this provision that the church offers called spiritual communion where we can receive. Jesus into our heart in that in that mass and and kind of renew that connection with Jesus and with the whole church through that spiritual community. It there's also a way to enter into it in a in a truly a mystical way and that's by entering into the liturgy the hours when I say mystical way. It's because it really is the mystery that the entire church is praying in this liturgy of the hours. You're united with everyone in a shared prayer throughout the the rhythm that entire day right right and as the literature. The ours is celebrated through the time zones. Weekdays prayers go around the world around the world and so the church. She's in constant prayer Throughout the day joining in that constant prayer we can be part of that rhythm as you say and so easy I mean today I mean it used to be a daunting thing when you thought. Oh My Gosh. Look at all the bucks Look at all the ribbons. I'm never going to be able to keep up. But now with technology that we have at the APPs Universiade I breed name. It just named to that. It is something that you know. We can allow the scriptures to speak to us and and the Churches Rhythm and the the the great teachings of saints are in there as part of the office of readings. And it's a way to kind of in your home to be able to foster that domestic church absolutely you know. This is a time when when we can really bring that liturgy if we haven't before into the domestic church and that's an important time to do that remember that you're not separated completely from your Christian community if you're at home with your family because your family is the domestic churches the smallest unit of that Christian community And so you can still join. In the prayer of the church you can How the Liturgy of the word together at home with your family and it's a really wonderful thing to do again. We're talking with Dr Joseph White about his book listening for God and Everyday Life and boy. Do we need that right now. I mean you talk about how God speaks to us through humor in through our gifts and through of course the saints tapping into the life of the saints I e as a family in our share prayer throughout this whole thing as we finish a rosary. A now that we're all together and we're all praying together. We ended up having our own litany of saints. The same we we ask all the ones that have touched us in special ways to pray for us and they're witnesses so important isn't it. Joseph it certainly is you know we have Many of our saints throughout our history have been those powerful witnesses during very difficult times and So are saints. Know what it is to struggle Physically and spiritually and emotionally. If we're going through times like that right now and many of us are We can call on on our heroes of the faith Saint Paul describes them as a as a cloud of witnesses. That are looking down on us and and and cheering us on And And they certainly are friends and prayer and very close to God. I also love the fact that you put a chapter about how God speaks to us through arts. You know through music through the through Paintings through even films that we may see those things that are created in their beautiful a. He speaks to us through those things as well. Doesn't he right? Yeah it's one of the beauties. One of the three transcendental properties of being the three things that that kinda point us To the to the the fact that there is something greater than us truth beauty and goodness and and we find a lot of that beauty Many different places certainly in creation and also in the arts and and so beautiful paintings beautiful music Beautiful drama has inspired people and stirred their faith throughout the ages and This is a a a nice time if you have a little extra time to rediscover that as well. There are many of the museums from around the world or now doing virtual tours online because folks get out of the House and so we can rediscover some of those beautiful works of art especially some of the the beautiful beautiful sacred heart. That is especially museums in Europe. and and music as well We still have opportunities to do that. Even if we can't get out We can discover that beauty through the arts and of course he speaks to us through the scriptures that he that is a direct hotline. Isn't it when when we can't we can't feel when we're not sure that the IM- for ourselves you know go to the word capital W. it's a living word and it speaks to us doesn't it. That's right and that one is different. From these other aspects of life that we've been talking about hearing the Voice of God and because Sacred Scripture and also sacred. Tradition are too sure sources of divine revelation. And so those. Those two aspects of our life are ways that we know. God speaks to us directly. And so you know. Sometimes we can be trying to discern God's voice in our life and be and be unsure and say well I think maybe got his lead immunity this but maybe not When we need to to kind of do a check on that and and see scripture and sacred tradition is a great place go and then of course also torture just magisterial. Which is the gift that we're given to be able to interpret authentically sacred scripture and sacred tradition for many of us. We've all been saying we want. We want to be able to listen to God and I it folks tell us there has to be silence. You have to listen to him in the silence and we haven't had the opportunity for silence while we have it now we in a very real way. We haven't now don't we? Yes we do and God is with us in that silence as well and so you know taking some time To just spend time in silence before a sacred image before a crucifix. Just take some time to breathe We can even combine the silence and sacred scripture in in Prayer forms like a pair expression slight collects Iota Vena for example where we read scripture and then spend some time Justin silent reflect reflection on what God might be trying to tell us through that scripture. He also in that silence. It can be difficult if you are struggling when you have the anxieties when you are suffering and right now. I don't think I've ever in my lifetime and I so I was almost becoming a cliche. Everybody's saying we've never seen anything like this but where there's been a collective ache it's like the whole world is in a struggle aching every all of it. We kind of mentioned that in the very beginning and yet he's in our struggles. He's in that suffering isn't he? God is right beside us when we're suffering in and we know that because God purposefully entered into human suffering so that he could have that solidarity with us So that he could give himself fully as gift to us in order to redeem us in so because we know that our Savior Jesus Christ suffered in every way we can be sure that God knows what it feels like to be suffering and that God is with us through that suffering as well. Isn't that Joseph in a way what lent was supposed to reveal to us. You know and and maybe has for for generation upon generation but in this particular lent twenty twenty. It is we're experiencing in so many ways. The turbulence the the the suffering that the The awareness of God's presence like we never have during this particular lent absolutely. I mean I think this is our worldwide way of the cross right now And you know it's certainly if we if we choose to reflect on it in that way. It's another good that can come even in the midst of all of of all of the suffering right now and. I think we have to look for those things Chris. I think we have to in a time. Like this Try to focus on. What are some some positive ways that I can look at this? How can I use this to grow? What simple Joyce can I find in everyday life otherwise we can be completely overwhelmed? Well you are a clinical psychologist and you were dealing. I'm sure hearing from folks that are trying to make sense of all this in part of what can happen is as you're trying to listen in again. We mentioned this. They're a static that comes in from all around us and that amps things up. I mean we are dealing and we talk about it and our creed we believe in the visible and invisible and the enemy that I tried to take out Christ is also trying to prevent you from hearing and listening to guide his knee absolutely. I think there's nothing that the devil would enjoy more than the whole world being and fear for the next several weeks or months or however long this might last Fear doesn't bring out the best in US and that's why that's why were were So often admonished in scripture and by our by our leaders to to not be afraid. But it's it's not so simple is it? I mean it's you know in a time like this. It's it's hard to not be afraid and so we have to take that time to listen. We have to look for those signs of God in our lives in all of the different ways that God speaks to us so that we can get those gentle reassurances if we look forward if we ask God to speak to us in some way I think very often God says I'm so glad you asked. And and he shows himself to us some some way or another in some little moment of joy in some kind of comfort and reassurance We just need to open ourselves to that and listen for him. Would that be your advice and or do you have maybe even a little bit more for folks out there who are as we all are churning into. Can we say the unknown Is it the unknown? It is an and I think you know we we have to say to God God. You're my God you're my father and I trust you that I was meant to be here at this time and I trust you to be desiring my best to to to be desiring good for me and I know that no matter what happens. You're with me and I belong to you I think that's a good beginning. And then I think we look for those good in every situation there are always some some good things that we find some simple joys that we can find. This was the secret for There was a psychologist Viktor Frankl. Who was in the concentration camps and Wrote later About his observations of people here were certainly bearing a lot of hardship on a daily basis. Many people dying He said that he found that that the people that were able to survive it almost inevitably. They were the people that at some point. Were able to find some simple joys. Some simple goods In everyday life and and still be who they were even in the most difficult of circumstances and I think that's important too that we need to be you know ourselves not let fear make a selfish or or aggressive or all of those things that we've been a little concerned about as we've been looking at the grocery stores But to be authentically who we are even during a trying time and try to act in love for one another. That's so important you know and as you said be not afraid run. If you're fearful it would it. Would you say good advice would be that? If you're experiencing that fear don't run from it look at it you know. Identify IT and with Christ crisis rate with you go towards it in a way because I know that may sound strange but it because if you run from your fear and you don't bring it out It will constantly haunt you. I I would agree with that and I would add identify it name it and then offer it to God. Use this as a prating so if you say I'm afraid we're going to run out of food and that's the thought that pops into your head at five in the morning Then you could say God. I'm afraid that we're going to run out of food and I offer that up to you. If you're saying I'm afraid one of us will get sick a god. I'm afraid that one of us will get sick and I offered that fear up to you. I'm putting you in charge of this because this fear is too much for me. I think will find that that in doing that. This can become a prayer that that offers us GRAYSON reassurance in in a difficult moment Wow wonderful just F- thank you so much for joining us. Thank you Chris. It's been wonderful talking with you. With other Donald we've gone. 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06_Dignity of Work & the Rights of Workers
"The company. It's the Bible Study Evangelista Show Bible Study Spinach, that tastes like cake I'm on your Corbett Your Bible study eventually set and we are in our Catholic social. Justice. Series, we have done the life and dignity of the human person the call to family and community rights and responsibilities option for the poor and vulnerable and today we're looking at the dignity of work and the rights of workers and in the marketplace where too often the quarterly bottom line takes precedent over the rights of workers we believe as Catholics that the economy must serve people not the other way around. So work is more than a way to just make. Make a living. It's a form of continuing participation in God's creation, and if the dignity of work is going to be protected, then the rights of workers have to be protected the right to productive work to decent and fair wages to organize join unions to private property and economic initiative. Respecting these rights promotes an economy that promotes human life. It defends human rights and it advances the wellbeing of everyone, and so that principle in actually the last several of the seven Catholic social justice principles are sort of you can combine them under the common good, which will do in the very last. Show the wrap up summary Show They're actually four pillars that contain the seven principles and that's a little easier way to look at it actually, but it's it's really important that the church has broken it down into these seven because it it does highlight berry important things in each one, and we're GONNA as usual. We're GONNA take a little bit different tack than maybe one. We've continually see in the media all over the place right now when we talk about the dignity of work and the rights of workers, but for us as believers that dignity of work out of the. The. Whole Theology of creation. In Genesis, we see God made creation, and then he entrusted to us the continuation of his work I talk about this quite a bit because this is a sort of a favorite principal or a favorite idea of mine from the Scriptures God is always working. Of course, he's always at risk simultaneously, but we see that in genesis one that God creates he works in six days, and then he rests on the seventh and of course that doesn't mean that he needed to rest. He did that for us and because it is. contained. This idea of work and rest is contained in those ten commandments. Then work is part of natural law as is wrist as well, but it's interesting to me. You know we have a workweek of five days and then you have typically you have Saturday and Sunday off. But the way the scriptures are laid out, you work for six days and then you rest on the seventh, and of course, we do all work. Even if we have a five day workday or Workweek I'm sorry. We typically work on Saturday as well and a lot of us work on Sundays shame. Shame. And of course, I've talked about that quite a bit and previous series fulfilled I, talk about the liturgical year, which is based on that the kernel of the Sunday I'm digressing here, but it's a, it's an important point and it actually begins the whole Bible begins with the creation and it ends with the new creation, and so God is always working our work continues the work of God through us. So Sabbath worker not opposites. They're a whole and depending on the jobs that we have the work that we do and when I say this I'm I'm actually talking about if. If we work in the home as our primary vocation or if we have employment outside the home, either way, the primary location for our spiritual formation is the workplace, and that's mostly because that's where we spend most of our time, and so the people that we work with and the people we work for they contribute to her spiritual formation. I know that that's the reason I like. This idea is because it, it helped me a lot understanding, this understanding of work and the dignity of work and the dignity of the workplace, and the dignity of colleagues is very helpful to me and. and. It's should be helpful to each of us who has a difficult work situation, and that's what I'm really trying to do is encourage you if you're in one of those situations. So really our work then is a continuation of God's work. What is the Holy Spirit creating through US and through our work, and how is he ordering creation through us through our work, and it's really that big an idea because Jesus himself embraced creation as his own workplace and he had quite a bit to say about work to, and we'll see in another segment here, some of those parables that he. He taught about work, but work then is God's gift to us. It's part of natural. Lol. Is Part of Man's dignity and it's part of his duty. So whenever you see populations of people who do not work than there is a lack of love and a lack of dignity on their part, and so it's important that we help everyone who is able to work because we are supporting and we are affirming the dignity of the human person in providing workplaces that are just if you like having Bible study in your pocket and you have an iphone or IPAD, leave a review. Search. Bible study evangelist in items until everyone tie your loving and lifting Paul, you've been given your son. Let's get social connect with me at Bible study. To facebook Instagram Pinterest, and now you can also find me on the number one Catholic APP for iphone and Android Law Dot. Let's connect, and now let's get some Bible study in your pocket. I want to read quote by Benedict the Sixteenth in Caritas Invite. VERITA. Is Says I would like to remind everyone especially governments engaged in boosting the world's economic and social assets that the primary capital to be safeguarded and valued is man the human person in his or her integrity man is the source, the focus and the aim of all economic and social life boy would our world not be a much better place if we? We kept this in mind and I'm speaking directly now to those of you who own businesses or who employ people, those people who work for you are the focus and the aim of your business, and if you saw it that way rather than the bottom line or the Almighty dollar as some people say and I'm not accusing anybody, I'm not looking at anybody in my mind. Is I'm saying this, I'm just thinking very. If we kept that principle in mind that we exist to help employ people and support them in their own lives and their own dignity. What a different place the world would be, would it not and if we worked for people like that and companies like that John Paul, the second Saint John Paul, the second said we inherit the work of the generations before us and we share in the building of the future of all those who will come after us all. All. This should be kept in mind when considering the rights that come with work or the duty to work. So if we look in the garden of Eden, we see that it is man's duty to work and it's part of his dignity, and so we have to keep in mind through this principle that both things are true and both are important. It is dignity for man to work, and it is his duty, and of course, there are responsibilities on both. Both sides we talked about the rights and responsibilities last week. Now, part of what is so dignified about work is that we're able to use the different gifts that God has given us and I want to read a little bit from the parable of the talents, and I'd like for you to keep in mind that, and I know you've probably heard this parable one hundred times, but a talent, one single talent. This was a measure of money and in. Biblical. Biblical language. Actually, talent was not just the money. It was any sort of goods that were traded. So but a measure of money, let's just keep in mind that one talent was worth sixteen more than sixteen years, wages years. So one talent, sixteen years worth of wages. Now, I'm not GonNa read this whole thing because it's pretty long and we know the story, but it says in Matthew Twenty, five verse fourteen for the Kingdom of Heaven. Is like a man. To far country who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. See he's talking about goods. They're not just money and to one. He gave five talents that would have been eighty years plus worth of money years, wages, worth of money. So he gave one five talents to another. He gave to that would have been thirty two years worth of wages, and to another, he gave one that would have been sixteen years wages to each according to. To his own ability. Okay. So that's an important point to each according to his own ability. So God gives us different abilities and so he gives us a responsibility. Okay, and that's an obvious thing from this parable. But what's not so obvious is if we just changed the wording around just a little bit saint, Jerome said that when God or Jesus, when he called the apostles, he gave them the Gospel doctrine to SOM-, he gave more and others. Others he gave less and not because he was being stingy, but he was meeting the capacity of the one who was receiving the gift of the Gospel. So in the five and the two and the one talents, we recognize the diversity of gifts where with we have been entrusted. Saint Jerome says an origin agrees he talks about the diversity of gifts. When will we're talking about the talents and it's it is financial here in the the parable. parable, but we know also its goods, and now we see from the fathers that it also includes gifts from God. Saint Gregory, said to hide one's talent in the earth is to devote the ability we have received two worldly business. So to him earthly nece then is when when the unfaithful servant takes his talent and he has it in the dirt and eat he buries it. Then he is actually according Saint, Gregory, he is actually he's using his. Talents and his gifts for earthly ends and not spiritual ones. It's also important in verse twenty, nine of that same parable in chapter twenty, five Jesus for to everyone who has more will be given and he will have abundance. But from him who does not have even what he has will be taken away and cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth more on that when we get back. You're list thing to they. Bobble stay evangelist show Bob will stay spares the taste like cake. Sean, you created the love, the word, Bible study methods just for you. Based on Mary's personal practice and formulated for your personality and temperament. Get your loved the word meditations every Monday morning by signing up at Bible study. EVANGELISTA DOT COM now. Here's Sonya. In the parable of the talents, we see that A. Distributes talents. Jesus. Says to each according to his own ability, and then he goes on a journey and when he when he comes back, he finds out that the one who received the five talents traded and made another five and the one who had received two made two more and the one who received one, he had his or buried it in the ground, and so we see that the one who buried his was was the unprofitable servant according to Jesus. But there are a couple of principals here that I wanNA point out when we're talking about the rights and the dignity of workers. Saint. Gregory, says that this lesson from the Gospel warns us to consider whether those who seemed to have received more in this world than others shall not be more severely judged by the author of the world, the greater, the gifts, the greater. The reckoning for them therefore should everyone be humble concerning his talents in proportion as he sees himself tied up with a greater responsibility, and another point that's important is that if we don't properly use our talents then then. They're taking away and they're given to someone who is faithful now, I, pray this a lot. I pray a lot for God to give me the will just say talents because we're talking about this parable that other people don't want and won't use just give them to me Lord whatever those blessings are whatever the talents, whatever the opportunities if someone else won't use it, then give it to me. My hand is raised. I say that a lot. But I want to kind of just change it up a little bit and instead of using the word talent because we know that that the term talent in biblical use means a financial. Measure, it means goods, gifts, and talents, and when I say talents in this context I mean those things and those abilities that we have whether they're natural. It also means spiritual gifts and all of these things are gifts from God. The Bible says, what do you have that you did not receive and if you did receive it, why do you post as though? You did not Saint Paul says that in First Corinthians four, seven, I, love that that. that. was like a slap in the face I remember one time I was reading that and I was like, okay Yes lord. You're right. What do you have that you did not receive and if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not and here enrollments twelve six, it says, we have different gifts according to the grace given us now I want to just as I said, change it up a little bit. I want us to start looking at this with the particular word privilege. You have privileges. They are gifts from God, your personality, your temperament, your talents, your abilities, your financial situation, everything about what you are and have came from God. It is a gift from God we're talking about gifts in this parable of the talents. Some of US have small gifts which are actually still very large. That's the reason I wanted to explain the measure of one talent. The one guy who got one talent got sixteen years worth of income. Okay. So it's still an enormous gift. But, let's just think about all these. Privileges. Right that we all have, we all have privilege I'm using this word on purpose because it is a huge can controversial term, but look at it. In this way, you have privileges. Everyone has privileges. Every single human being created has special privileges that other people don't have everybody. There are physical privileges. There are spiritual privileges. There are mental privileges. There are economic privileges. There are social privileges. Why does God give one to some people to to others and five to still other people? Why is it not equal? Well, that's a question you need to ask him. And we're looking at our society, why is it not equal? Well, it's not equal because God gives you privileges precisely in order that you use them on behalf of people in order to make the world a better place. That's the reason he does what he does. Saint. Catherine of Sienna said that God could have easily have made every single person have everything he needed for salvation, but instead it pleased God that we need one another, and that's why Saint Paul talks about us as being members of a body now, i. I am talking about the church, but I'm also talking about society because we're talking about social justice and social justice. It is a truth. It is an absolute truth that some people have greater privilege than others do, and when I say that I'm not trying to be political I'm just saying it's a reality, but the reason is it's not a bad thing. Necessarily, it's meant to be used for the common good as are all gifts and all graces and all privileges and all resources everything is distributed I'm sorry distributed. Unequally, and that was done only because God wants us to rely on one another and he wants us to rely on him. So privilege then. Not In the political way, but each of us has privileges in order to help make the world a better place. There's a couple of. Words that get thrown around quite a bit when we're talking about privilege, equality is one of them where we treat all people. And then there's a new word that has cropped up equity. And if you hear that the It's I'm going to be very general here because lots of people just like privilege use it in a whole lot of different ways. It has almost no meaning whatsoever because everybody means a different thing when they say it. But for the most part, all men are created equal. The bill of rights says, and so we treat each other. Equally. So equal. Let's just use taxes as as an example, if everyone was treated equally, then everyone would pay the same amount of tax. It'd be a flat tax all the way across the board. Instead, there is equity in taxation. Some people are charged more because they make more and other people are charged less because they make less. Some people don't pay taxes at all because they don't make enough, and that is an example of equity where all people have access and it's not. It's not equal all the way across the board because it takes into consideration special situations and special circumstances and the needs of of people. Well, it's supposed to. Equity is actually supposed to mean, I'm not saying the taxation is that way I'm just giving you an example of the difference between equality and equity. So we can kind of at least have a working idea of what it means in our heads. So politically speaking what people say is that, yes, people are supposed to be treated equally, but not all people have equal access, and if we we can also think about maybe the people who are disabled in this sort of way where, of course, they have equal dignity, but they don't have equal access. Let's say to work. Right. Everyone has. Has a right to work, but not all people have the opportunity to work and I mentioned my nephew Joshua a couple of weeks ago, and he's one of these people he could work. He could hold a job. He could do bagging groceries or something along that line that would give him that sense of dignity that he deserves as a human person, but he doesn't have those opportunities. That's not necessarily because nobody would hire him although there aren't very many places that would. That's one of the really good things. I. Think about goodwill because they do hire disabled people and give them an opportunity. Opportunity, to experience the the dignity of work. But his a whole different example for a lot of other reasons. But my point is then that although every single person has equal dignity, every single one doesn't always equal opportunity and that's or equal access. We could say, and so that's a little explanation of equality and equity and realized that that is a very simplistic way of putting it. But do some more research if you're interested in that. So I want to also point out that God is equitable though in this parable is well, he's equitable in the parable of the talents because he gives. It's not equal. They don't all get the same amount. They are all. Distributed talence according to their ability and they each have different abilities, right. So even the abilities themselves are equitable, they're not equal and and the talents then correspond to their ability and so that the talents are also equitable. We could say now in the parable of the vineyard. The landowner goes out and he hires Labor, Labor for his vineyard, and then he agrees with them for how much the daily wage is going to be, and he sends them into the vineyard to work, and so they go out about nine o'clock or he did he goes out about nine o'clock and he sees that there are people in the marketplace standing idle and he said go go work in my vineyard and I'll pay you what's fair and so they got they go off and then he goes back. Back. Around noon and then at three, and he does the same thing. He goes back about five o'clock, which is the end of the work day, and he still sees other people stand in Iowa and he asked him why? Because nobody has hardest now notice this. He asked them why they are idle and they say because no one has hired us, and then he says you to go to my vineyard and then he pays them all the same wage now, why in the world would Jesus do that? Why would he continue to go back to the marketplace and find people who had not been working, hire them, and then pay them all the same wage after they worked an equal amount of time. We'll talk about that when we get back. You're list thing to the bobble stay evangelist show Bob will stay spares the taste like cake. Did, you know you can get Bible study eventually radio notes and podcast delivered to your inbox every Monday morning. Redeem Your Mondays join thousands of your fellow listeners by subscribing at Bible study, EVANGELISTA DOT, com? Now. Here's Sonia. In the parable of the Vineyard Jesus tells the story of a landowner who hires workers throughout the day to work in his vineyard, and he goes out at daybreak, which would would have been the time when they begin work. He goes out at nine. He goes out at noon. He goes out at three, and then at five o'clock long really after our typical workday, he continues to hire people who are standing idle and he pays them all the same amount whether they worked all day or whether they didn't really work at all if they got hired at five o'clock. Quitting time. Right. So why did he do that? The key there is in the question, why do you stand here idle all day and they said because no one has hired us. They went to the marketplace looking for work. That's what you did. You went to the marketplace find work for the day and the people who needed workers would go to the marketplace and they would pair up and they would pay people to come work for them. They went to look for work and they were never hired, and so the land owner hires them and he pays them the same wage. Had Gotten there early and worked all day. Now, we don't know why they came late. It could have been, they were lazy, but I don't think. So I think that there there could have been a situation where they may be had worked part of the day already and then came looking for more work. It could have been that the particular work that they were able to do was not available. That day could have been a lot of things, but the point is they were there to work and they didn't have work, and so the the landowner hires them anyway and pays them anyway and so. So, what's the principle here? Well, first of all, this is not equality. This is equity. The landowner does not hire them all at the time and pay them all the same wage, and in fact, when you first read this parable, it's a little bit irritating if you're just like a normal person, right? Because if you're the one who got there early and you've been working all day long and some upstart shows up at five o'clock and he gets hired anyway and he gets the full day's wage, you're going to be irritable and I would I would totally feel like that was unfair and yet. Yet, he said to them. Friend I'm not cheating. You did I'm not agree with you for the Usual Day's wage take what's yours and go what I, what if I wish to give this last one, the same as you, and basically he says, it's none of Your Business, what I pay you and I agreed on something and I gave you what we agreed on. So don't criticize me for being generous. Now, my point in telling you this story. First of all is the fact that this is an example of equity. Rather than equality. I'm not advocating over one or the other I'm just saying. Saying that when we're talking about the dignity of workers, this is what the landowner in this parable had in mind. He understood the dignity of work and these workers had no work to do, and so they were idle all day long and in compassion for them, he paid them anyway because they wanted to work. Now, Jesus tells this parable as an example of the Kingdom of Heaven, but we can also use this passage to kind of help us reflect on the relationship between work and sufficient wages and human dignity, and we have to look also at why does every person have a right to? To decent work because that's part of what this parable sort of upholds work is dignified, it is a duty because it is part of what makes us human. It is part of the dignity of being human is being able to work being able to create something being able to contribute being able to make a living and being able to use our goods and our talents and our abilities to do something productive for ourselves, our families, our community, and our whole World John Paul. The second said the obligation to earn ones bread by the sweat of one's brow also presumes the right to do so. So. A society in which this right is systematically denied in which economic policies do not allow workers to reach satisfactory levels of employment cannot be justified from an ethical point of view, nor can that society attained Social Peace Now, I want to warn you because when we read these kinds of letters and encyclicals documents from the church, we automatically read them with an American. Lens. But don't do that because the pope's right and our thinking constantly about the global church. So societies in which the right to work is systematically denied, would that be that would be in places where famine have have Rhett An. An an economy and the people and governments receive aid from other countries like hours possibly, and then they squander it, they put it in. They line their pockets rather than helping the people that would be an example of a society in which the right to work is systematically denied a society in which economic policies do not allow workers to reach satisfactory levels of employment. That's where employment levels are depressed or suppressed, and oftentimes those are because of bad economic policies or it could be that there is corruption in the government that causes that as well. I realized that this stuff is mostly above our. Our pay grade, right? Because we're not responsible for the entire country, the entire world, but it's important to keep this stuff in mind when we are consumers which I'll get to in the last segment. But here's another quote by Pope Benedict the sixteenth in many cases poverty results from a violation of the dignity of human work either because work opportunities are limited through unemployment or underemployment or because a low value is put on work and the rights that flow from it. Especially, the right to adjust wage and to the personal security of the worker and his or her family, and what pops into my My mind, right. There is widespread welfare when when that happens a low value is put on work and the rights and the dignity that flow from work, and so in those situations you have poverty, and then you have all of the other things that flow from poverty, the social issues, the health issues, the economic issues, the crime issues, the educational issues, poverty causes a whole lot of problems in society because the church recognizes that everyone is made in God's image and likeness, and therefore has inherent dignity. We also recognize that work exists for people not people for work, people do not exist for so. So recognizing the rights of workers is one of the ways we honor the dignity of every person and the Bible says in Isaiah that to observe religious practices. But oppress your workers is false worship. So that's something we need to keep in mind if we employ people, do we care about the person more than the job they do for us? Do we make sure that we pay them fairly? Do we make sure they have plenty of time off? Do we make sure that they have access to benefits if they work for us in a company or a situation in which it's big enough that? That they should be provided among the things that we have to uphold our the just wage, the safe working environment and the possibility for the worker to participate in the fruits of his labor profit. Sharing is an obvious example there. So Catholic teaching upholds that workers have the right to dignify work as well as time for leisure and rest, and so that's obviously we spoke about in the very first segment. That's part of natural law, how rest and work must go together. So people who work for us or we as workers, we should have time for leisure and rest we have the right to. To benefits such as sick leave and maternity and paternity leave health care whether or not. That's the responsibility of an employer that's up for debate. But they should be available workers have the right to adequate support in their retirement whether or not the government should supply. That is another topic for debate, because the principle of subsidiarity says that the lowest possible entity that can take care of an issue should. So should the government who has had a history of squandering our social security? Should they be responsible for taking care of everyone's retirement? I don't know I'm not saying they should or shouldn't I'm just? Just asking the question and we also have to keep in mind that that workers have the right to choose and form unions if that's what they. WanNa. Do and workers associations. That kind of thing are this principle holds that workers have responsibilities that comes under there are rights and responsibilities principle to provide a fair day's work for a fair day's wage. Now, I just going to have to take a little digression here and say that there is something very, very wrong in our society right now, because most people won't work, they have no work ethic, they go to work and they look at their. Their phones, all day or they wine and they, they won't actually do the job. I mean I have seen this all over the country. I've seen it all over the world. I actually was talking while I was in Poland with one of the gentlemen are stayed with his he he and his wife, and we were talking about workers and he was complaining about it. He was saying the same thing that it, it's rampant everywhere I. Don't know if this is a generational thing, and if it is, then it's our fault. We've raised our kids this way. They people just don't have the work ethic. Ethic that they used to have and part of that is a rights and responsibilities thing. We all have rights, but very few people are expected to be responsible, and this is the same kind of principle. Yes. Workers have rights, but they also have a responsibility to work to work a fair day's work for a fair day's wage. Now, that principle I mean the parable of the vineyard that was not an example of workers who wouldn't work. They were there to work. They just couldn't find work, and so the landowner paid them. Anyway. That was an example of charity on the landowner's part, but each. Each of us workers has a responsibility to put in a fair day's work. That's part of why when I am invited to a speaking engagement for a conference or a retreat or whatever while I'm there. I am completely at the group's disposal. The entire time unless I'm in the hotel room and I try to stay available for the entire time because that's what I'm there for and there to give myself on behalf of the planners. But also the group for whom they they planned. I consider that my duty and my responsibility to the group to the planners, but more than that to God himself. You're listening to the bobble stay evangelist. A show Bob will stay spares taste like cake. You Love Having Bible study in your pocket, you can become a friend of the show. Click on the yellow friend of the show Button on Bible study. Eventually, DOT COM and become a supporter of any amount any frequency. Now your saw. Managers Supervisors and employers can make decisions in their workplaces that uphold the rights of workers, and if they can't make the decision, they can at least advocate for the rights of workers and the Bible actually says in several places that if you don't work, you don't eat now, it's not speaking of the disabled of the ill of the infirm of the elderly. It's not talking about that kind of situation. It's talking about able bodied people who can work but won't work and the Bible is clear that if you don't work or we should say if you won't work, then you should not eat. So we have to be careful. Here's. Here's another place where these these principles are so hard to keep an. Here because let's talk about welfare for just a moment I'm going to get into how humiliating that is. But for now, I, want to talk about the fact that it is workers who provide in our society for those who can't or don't work. Now, not working and being able to is is one thing but not being able to work is a whole. `nother thing nobody begrudges those who cannot work or have worked their whole lives and are now retired nobody begrudges anybody that. But you have to remember that it's workers themselves who support welfare programs and their rights must be taken into consideration as well. We have to be careful to keep these principles in balance. It's the people who pay for these programs, and so it should be the people who decide where they go. Now that having been said I have been on assistance. I have told you before that. We were poor at one point and there was actually a time. We we weren't actually on assistance like. Wick or anything like that. But we did have I when my first son was born, he was born prematurely and I nursed him as long as I could, and then we had to switch to formula and the formula. He just was not able to tolerate it very well, and we ended up on a formula called nutrition and it was twenty five dollars. A can, and that was twenty two years ago I have no idea what it is now, but I don't believe it. We could not afford that formula, and so I, went to our county. I don't even know where it is now, but wherever you get assistance and I applied for assistance and I just have to tell you. That was the most degrading humiliating situation I have ever been in in my entire life I cannot imagine. Not being able to make ends meet and needing the programs, the social programs that are provided for those situations and having to jump through the hoops that that those people have to jump through every single month because you can't make but a certain amount of money. So you can't get a second job that would help you. Step Up. You can't get a better car to get to your job because that's an asset and it counts against you for receiving your assistance. I'm telling you if you've never known this it is it is a travesty. What we do to people who really need the help. And what we make them go through to get it. It's humiliating. It is absolutely humiliating. There has to be a better way to do this for people who really need the help and are not there to suck on the public. teat. Okay I know that's a little crass, but they're not there for that and yet they are treated like. Trash. I'll just be honest it is. It's embarrassing. It's humiliating. It's degrading the way they are treated in the process. Now, I'm not talking about the employees because the employees are I found them to be generally very kind and very compassionate. You wouldn't be in that kind of job if you didn't want to help people. Well, some people I guess do, but I didn't experience any of that, but it was the process that was so degrading because you have to give them every single bit of your information, all your bank accounts, all of your assets, everything, everything you you have. That is yours. You basically reveal to the government, and at that point of course, they have everything. It's it's just a huge invasion of privacy and I understand I understand why they do it because for all intents and purposes, it's to keep people from from. Cheating the system but the cheaters. They don't use that system anyway I. Mean they're just I. Don't know what the answer is. I'm just saying. Treat the people that you see in the marketplace with their debit cards that are I don't even know how they do it anymore. But I know that they have debit cards and they use them to buy groceries, and maybe they have stake in their cart instead of vegetables. But don't make a comment or roll your is we don't know their situations and we have to be careful just to keep in mind that it is. It's very humbling, very humiliating, very degrading to even be in that situation and most people if they could, they would not be in that situation. Nobody chooses to be poor typically. Now I know that there are people who are perfectly happy to to take that paycheck. paycheck every week and and cheat the system and let somebody else support him. I had a brother-in-law that was that kind of person. He worked every single system. There was the disability to social security, the welfare you name it, he was working it. So I know that it exists, but I am saying what an embarrassing thing it is to be that person and to experience it for the first time or every month. Can you imagine that? So there's gotta be a better way I. Guess was my point. I'm trying to just Kinda show both sides because there are always two sides to these situations, and that's where equity really does come in. That's why it's important to think about equity. Equality. It's not enough sometimes to make everything equal. You have to take into consideration people's situations, and of course, only God really can do that right, and so only he can really set up a truly just society, but we're called to continue working in that direction, and so we have to keep these things in mind. So how do we do that? Well? They, I know that you have situations and so do I in our neighborhoods where we see people who are not even employable. But the best thing for them is when they can get back on their feet with the help of their. or their diagnosis or the other social programmes that can help them find a job with meaning and with income because it restores their dignity, the neighborhood gets better. They feel better about themselves, and then there's this harmony created that shows the dignity of work that they experience the dignity of work, and we get to help them experience that dignity of work. There are always ways that we can do that another way. rather than maybe volunteering in programs, I didn't say that, but that's what I was getting at and all that. Another way that we can kind of keep it in mind is to remember the workers who are involved in producing this stuff that we consume. If you just think about one thing that you buy on a regular basis, say milk and we'll say coffee because that's a really well known fair trade kind of. Commodity. So Take Your Cup of coffee. Think of the people that you that served it to. You think of the people who roasted those beans think of the farmers who grew the beans. There are lots and lots of workers in that process and our decisions impact them think of the sweatshops in China, I saw on facebook in the last couple of months a video of. That it looked like they were either in India or Indonesia, and they were making the masks that we have been using for covy. And they were, you should have seen the conditions, the squalid conditions, and there were very small children working on those masks sewing folding. Stacking you name it, and here they were putting them out by the hundreds and thousands even and none of us had any inkling whatsoever. About the people who made those for us or anything? We wear the things that we eat think about the sweatshops in China and other places. There are all kinds of really really bad working conditions all over the world and sometimes even in our own country. So it's important that we're informed about the issues in our society, and we we need to try to promote just laws. We need to do that with our dollars, the the things that we buy and keep in mind those fair trade practices if you're a worker, that's obvious but. But. If you're a business owner, it's not so much. Sometimes a priority to think about your workers and their dignity as workers over the bottom line. Now, I'm not saying that that all business owners don't think about the workers. I'm not saying that I'm just saying that most often the Almighty dollar wins out over the dignity of the worker. That's just the truth and it's part of our Western society as part of our the our lack of Dick of consideration for human life in general, it's a lot of things, but as consumers we can. Can help in this area very easily. We need to be aware that every purchasing decision, it really is a moral decision, and so we have to do our best to research the things that were buying. We can purchase ethically produced products or fair trade products. We can purchase locally and we can buy from farmers and local shops and stores. Everybody is kind of on that bandwagon. Now, because it's such a great idea to support local businesses especially now in code when when so many are shutting down. So Catholics then as Catholics we need to. To be aware that this is part of the way that we live our life of discipleship, promoting human dignity, defending workers, rights, looking for ways to make our society more attentive to the needs of those who are most vulnerable. This is what we're called to do. This is the Gospel and we have to live that Gospel and the whole world is watching how we live the Gospel as Americans. I'll see you next week in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit. Amen, I'm Sony Corbett. Your. Body Study of angels. Thank you for listening to the Bible Study. Evangelistic show find out more at Bible, study your and stuff dot. com.
08_Care for Creation
"Uh-huh. If. You're tired fast food scripture meditation is this is the show for you. It's the Bible Study Evangelista to show Bible Study Spinach and tastes like cake and I'm on you your Bible study. Evangelista we are in our Catholic social justice series and we're one show away from wrapping up and I'm thinking at this point since we're about to look creation care for creation as a seventh principle of Catholic social justice. I'm thinking that probably they should be reordered. They really should start with solidarity because solidarity connects creation and humanity together so. I would probably put them in this order solidarity then creation then human life and dignity, and then family and community which proceeds from that right sensibilities option for the poor and dignity and rights of workers not because one is more important than the other as we saw last week each of these elements is interconnected and not just in a theoretical way or a philosophical. But in a literal scientific way, we are all connected if you like having Bible study in your pocket and you have an iphone or IPAD leave a review. Search. Bible. Study EVANGELISTA. In knighthoods until everyone tire loving and lifting all been given your son. Let's get social connect with me. Bible. Study Evangelista on facebook Instagram Pinterest, and now you can also find me on the number one Catholic APP for iphone and Android Law, Datta. Let's connect and now let's get some Bible study in your pocket. Because of that, we have to sort of start with that connectedness and work our way from macro or large meaning the whole universe and all of the planets galaxy, all of everything that is in the universe and work our way down to our earth and human life and how human life is connected in family and community in our rights and responsibilities in our preferential option for the poor and then the dignity and the rights of workers they're all important. But when you work from biggest to smallest, you can sort of see that interconnected interconnected in a little bit clearer. and. So we looked last week at solidarity and we see through quantum mechanics. Quantum theory are science of physics that that study reveals a basic connectedness of everything in the universe. It's I'm not talking about paying theism where all is God I'm not saying that the planets are God and we are God and we all come from God and go back to God and we're all one I don't mean that not that we're. Divine in and of ourselves or that we are some sort of physical manifestation of the universe as this impersonal force I don't mean that at all. But what I do mean is that God is personal and he is the source, the love the ground of all being in Him we live and move and have our being Saint Paul said. So we can't see the universe as this machine put together of elementary building blocks and. We can't see the human body as body and mind like separated and we can't see the earth and nature and man as separated nor the world as individual people. Instead all of it is part of a system, a network of inseparable processes and patterns of relationships and processes that the planet itself is a living self-regulating system. That's why the the season's coming go and day and night, and all those patterns and processes are happening. All the time and we don't influence those those are self regulating systems that doesn't mean that God is not involved in them. It just means that like us and even our bodies all of that is meant to work in and of itself if that makes sense I, hope it does. So it's a self-regulating system so we can't speak about nature without also speaking about ourselves this unity and mutual interrelation of all things proves that. Of humanity and humans with nature to there's nothing isolated and there are no individual cells in the sense that we usually think of them. Instead everything and everyone is part of and connected to the Cosmos as one inseparable reality forever in Motion Alive, organic, spiritual, and material at the same time. One Verner Heisenberg is a theoretical physicist and pioneer of quantum mechanics. He made this beautiful statement. He says, the world appears as a complicated tissue of events in which connections of different kinds alternate or overlap or combined, and thereby determined the texture of the whole and so when the Church teaches that we're all connected and when the Bible speaks of us all being connected, this is a literal connection and so. Because of that everything we do it has a moral value and our choices they reverberate throughout the universe in that tissue of connection I like to think of it. Well, there's two ways we can kind of think of it. I like to think of it as those pictures of the Earth at night from a satellite when you see those kind of. globs of light and they sort of web out and they connect to each other. I like to think of it that way like we're all little points of light and our light connects to the next light and sometimes they form little clumps when we're in community and our community is one of love that love radiate I, mean all light and all love. Radiates, but when it's when it's combined, it's stronger right and the more connected we are to. God and that love and that light the more powerful that love and light is in us the more powerful the reverberations into the world and into the people around us are and can become I remember a my husband I don't remember where he got it. I think it was a friend of ours if I remember correctly, there was a friend of ours who had been in the Second World War he had a collection of old guns. I mean a whole big collection of vintage firearms and in that collection which he was sharing and kind of show into my husband, he also had some memorabilia from the war. And in that collection, he had a Japanese scarf and it actually I think had been passed to him from his father who had been in the first World War. Anyway he gave this little box of scarves and there was actually a flag in their to a silk flag, a Japanese flag, but he gave that box to my husband and I'm loved. It he brought it home and gave it to me and I loved the scarves and I of fooled with them end. I didn't know what to do with him I like I like to have stuff like that. But I don't want to just have sitter's all over the place and so I wanted to find a use for it kind of reuse recycle. And I had seen somewhere where you can make. The table runners, the kind that we're crocheted and needlework, and that kind of thing I had a bunch of those two and I saw a picture of someone who had sewn kind of flipped it up and sown it and made a what I call a bed pocket but the long end underneath the mattress, and then there's a pocket and you can stick stuff in it. Well, I made one of those for my grandmother for a Christmas present and I gave it to her and when she opened it as soon as she saw, it was old flung it down and she went. And never picked it up again, and so I picked it up and I brought it home and I kept it and you'd have to know my grandmother. She's one of those people that doesn't put any stock at all in anything she wants everything to be new and she's obviously she was ungrateful there. I have to say it didn't hurt my feelings because I just brought it home and kept and I still use it. But here's a little thought experience I told you or experiment I'm sorry I told you that story because I want you to imagine that you have spent a whole lot of time making a gift for someone that you love. Maybe you love them very much. Maybe you spent a lot of time thinking. About it or maybe you shopped for it after he thought about it rather than making it but you wrap it up with a great deal of intention and then you gave it to the person and they stepped on it or they threw it out. How would you feel? Well, that's essentially the idea behind caring for creation. God has given us this beautiful enormous diverse gift and it's up to us to care for it and. To respect it and to reverence it for the gift that it, that's the principle behind the seventh principle of Catholic, social justice care for creation, and actually the Bible talks about creation as house building or covenant making and Sabbath keeping actually all three ways old testament sages loved make poetry describing creation. Actually all people did for most of human history they lived closer to nature than most of us do and so Jewish wisdom. Always used the term creation when referring to nature as an expression of faith and we see that example, in Psalm, one four where the poet, their uses this beautiful metaphor of house building for creation. It's a metaphor that became part of the Holy Jewish understanding for it. I'm going to read it to you well, not the whole thing because it's pretty long but you can get the gist. Oh, Lord my God you are very. Great, you're clothed with honor and majesty who cover yourself with light as with a garment who stretch out the heavens like a curtain. He lays the beans of his upper chambers in the waters. So you see the beams and then chambers meaning room he who makes the clouds, his chariot who walks on the wings of the wind who makes his angels spirits, his ministers, a flame of fire you who laid the foundations of. The Earth so that it should not be moved forever. You clothed it with the deep as with garment. The waters stood above the mountains at your rebuke they fled at the voice of your thunder they hastened away. So on an on it this psalm talks about creation in terms of housebuilding, and in fact, the whole New Testament does all of the Old Testament. Jewish. Sages they talked about creation in terms of house building but. It's not a building or home for God right? Because he doesn't need such thing it's a building or a home for us he built and gave us earth and so in Genesis, all of creation that was created in seventy calls forward that imagery and wind God had created in those six days and rested on the seven seventh. He said that he had made the heavens and the earth and he said it was good. So. Then in Genesis two, he created Adam and Eve, and he gave them the creation that he had made with such love and such care and such deliberation gave it to those human beings a care. All the earth is the Lord's the Salma says in Psalm Twenty, four, all of heaven and earth belong to the Lord. It says in Deuteronomy ten fourteen, and so we have a responsibility to care for more in a moment. Your list thing to they bobble stay Evangelista show. Bob. Will stay spares. Taste like cake. Sean, you created the love, the word viable Bible study methods just for you. Based on Mary's personal practice and formulated for your personality and temperament get your love. The word meditations every Monday morning by signing up at Bible Study EVANGELISTA DOT com. Now, here's Sonya. God. Created in six days and he rested on the seventh. In essence he seven himself to creation seven is the number of divinity or completeness and Covenant. So God coveted himself to his creation and that's a self donation. He gave himself to his creation, and then he expects us to give ourselves back to him in that self donation in that covenant, and so we see that first covenant was made with Adam and. Eve and creation and the sign of the Covenant with Sabbath which will come back to in another segment. But in the meantime, I'd like for you to keep that in mind that God's creation was a house building a covenant making and a Sabbath keeping all at one time. Now, of course, the Sabbath keeping of was not for his benefit that was also for. Our benefit as was creation all of creation he didn't create this home for himself because he has no need of material things or space and time, which is what we live in and what we experience. But keeping that in mind when we care for the environment, we care for the bounty of the Lord and bounty is given to every one of us. Not just some of us, but every one of us to enjoy into sustain our needs that support system of human life. That's what the environment turns out to be. It's what produces food air debris the rain to fall in water the whole land our life is so bound with creation that we are absolutely bound to respect it if it is to sustain us. Because creation is a gift from God. We're asked to Stewart it where managers the book of Genesis asks us to keep until the natural world that was specific to the garden of Eden. But the whole earth and we've done a very good job of tilling it but not such a great job of keeping it. We've got pollution waste dumping and oceans and landfills deforestation, and the land is actually supposed to rest every seven years. I don't know if you knew this. But it does say the earth is Lord's i. read that to you a moment ago but it says something similar to that Nixon Psalms and Corinthians, and so we're supposed to use it on his terms and under his law in Lavina Twenty five versus two through seven it says speak to the children of Israel and say to them when you come into the land which I give. You, then the land shall keep a Sabbath unto the Lord six years you shall. So your field and six years, you shall prune your vineyard and gather in the fruit thereof. But in the seventh year show, it shall be a sabbath rest until the land a Sabbath for the Lord you shall neither. So your field nor prunier vineyard that which grows of its own accord of your harvest. You shall not reap neither the Grapes of your gun for it is a year of rest until the land and the Sabbath of the land shall be meet for you for you and for your servant and for your made and your hired servants and for your stranger that pilgrims with you and for your cattle and the beasts that's in the land, all its produce shabby for food. Then in versus eighteen, hundred, twenty, two, it says so you shall observe Ma Statutes and keep my judgments and perform them and you will dwell in the land in safety. Then the land will yield its fruit and you will eat your fill and dwell there in safety, and if you say, what shall we eat in the seventh year since we shall not so nor gather in our produce? Then I will command my blessing on you in the six year and it will bring forth produce enough for three years and you shall so in the eighth year and eat old perdue produce until the ninth year until it's produce comes in, you shall eat of the old harvest. Now, this is the coolest principle. We really don't give God enough credit I don't think for his wisdom in caring for both US and the land, and we don't give enough trust. We don't put enough trust in his provision for us. It's actually a pretty well established agro agricultural fact sorry that resting the land every seven years is best for the soil. So it makes more nutritious and plentiful and healthy crops. And during this agricultural Sabbath practice that is outlined for us in the book of Leviticus, there wasn't supposed to be any pruning or planting in this year, and you're not supposed to kill the insects or otherwise interfere with the natural processes in the field it in any way. So the fruit had remain in the field except for whatever a passer-by or the servants or the poor or the owners actually we're going to eat no real harvesting was permitted permitted only the eating of it though by the rest the soil was restored and revitalized when you allow a field to go to weed the weeds of that field. They bring to the top soil minerals from below and that revitalizes the soil and then the vines and the trees are given completely free growth they are not pruned, and then they renewed their vitality and all of the fruit that fail and rotted contributed to the soil, and so the value of the Sabbath in regenerating the soil is enormous and that that practice of Sabbath for the land also reduces the need for pesticides and herbicides. But because we like faith and we prefer our work to God's work, we work the land in a perpetual cycle. It never really rests. Now they do soil conservation like strip cropping they'll do that but I've never seen anywhere in our contemporary life where. A farmer will let the land rest for an entire year. Can you imagine? Can you imagine not having that work and that's really part of what it was supposed to care for not just the land but also the people they had a sabbatical year as well, and so the the microorganisms in the soil and all that compost, and of course, the trees to all of that regenerates the soil and wild animals and birds in those life cycles of the earth. The Earth is renewed by rest, and if it doesn't rest than it's exploited ruthlessly and finally just turns into a desert I mean if you think about the Sahara and the dust bowl back in the early part of the. Twentieth Century. All of that really happened because of over farming. So if you think about it, our economic system makes it almost impossible for a farmer to actually give their land a rest for an entire year because if you're a farmer who's in debt I mean, how are you going to let your land lay fallow for a whole year? It's just unlikely cause. You can't make the payment to the bankers but in the Bible, the people of Israel fail to enemy nations in the Old Testament because they neglected the Sabbath for. Both the men and the land they were actually captives until the land it says recovered her Sabbath and we see that story especially in Nehemiah chapter thirteen and it says there he he tells the people the profit he tells the people that the reason they're in captivity or slavery again is because they didn't keep the Sabbath. Now that sounds like God is setting out to punish people for not doing what he says, but you look at it because this is actually how it is I'd rather you look at it as. If you do a you will be if you work the land unmercifully and don't let it rest, you will get a desert. If you, yourself work seven days a week perpetually without keeping a sabbath. Properly, your body will give out you'll burn out your you'll end up developing diseases and all kinds of things because your body has not had the time to recuperate and revitalize. That is a it's a, here's the thing. This is actually built into natural law. The law of the Sabbath is built into the Ten Commandments, and so we talked about this quite a bit when we talk about South and and our vision for the New Year and anytime we talk about Sunday or Sabbath. The reason that we keep it is to honor God. and to focus on all, he's done for us. That's the worship part. But then also to rest because Sabbath is tied to creation and homebuilding remember and it's a covenant, it's part of the sign of our covenant with God that we keep the worship rest of Sabbath. But the point is here when we're talking about creation and care for creation that Sabbath includes the creation as well the land, and so it meant in the scriptures it talked about everybody resting but not just the people and. All the animals, but also the land and so part of caring for creation is allowing the land to rest. Now, how do we do that? Well, if you're a farmer then that that's pretty obvious if you're a person who gardens, then maybe you let your garden produce for you for seven years and then move it or you let it lay follow for the entire next year. I mean can you imagine really being these people because they lived off the land their livelihood was it was necessary To live off the land that meant they ate from it on a daily basis that's how they survived and so for them to let it lay fallow for an entire year took a whole lot of trust and God let them eat from it whatever would volunteer out of the land they could eat from it but they couldn't harvest it and put it away and stock pilot and cultivated it. They weren't allowed to cultivate it. It was supposed to completely follow and what rotted. Then as I said, it helped nourish the soil. But even more. So the people were in bondage because they didn't keep the Sabbath and it says very plainly in second chronicles thirty, six, twenty, one at the king of Caldeans of the Caldeans is says those who escaped from the sword the King of Saudi carried away to Babylon, where they became servants to him and his sons until the rule of King of Persia to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah until the land. Had enjoyed her sabbath as long as she lay desolate, she kept Sabbath to fulfill seventy years seventy years they were in bondage because they didn't keep the Sabbath and they didn't allow the land to keep the Sabbath and I have to admit that when this covid stuff I hit and we were all quarantined at home and nobody can do anything that our families were recovering. The Sabbath weren't they not when you're forced together, nobody can go anywhere here. We played games we played Frisbee. We flew kites we rode bikes we ate dinner together and everybody was all in one place all the time. Now that wasn't fun all the time every second, but it was wonderful to have everybody altogether all the time as a family and my husband was all for almost two months, and so we were all together and that was beautiful. It was to me even then I remember thinking this is like recovering the Sabbath for our family and for our nation and even for the world and I just wondered even then if that's exactly what was going on. We get back. Your list same to the bobble stay Evangelista show Bob was as bears that taste like cake. Bible Study Evangelist to Radio Notes and podcast delivered to your inbox every Monday morning. Redeem Your Mondays join thousands of your fellow listeners by subscribing at Bible Study EVANGELISTA DOT com. Now here's Sonia. Just about started to plow right into this segment and I just realized that it's been several weeks since I shouted out my newest friends of the show and I want to do that it's kind of a long list, but it's important to shaft you out. So here we go Hannah Him Lorraine see Linda p Mike H Latina Owen Donna H Mark P ellen. G. Jamie are Mary. Valerie Kaye Aaron case Stacey see Dorje S Mary, MC, J Gina, G Amanda Be Richard T. and allison him. Thank you so much for being friends of the show. I love you and I pray for you every single morning in my morning prayer. So we talked about creation as a home for man we talked about its connection to the Sabbath through. The creation of six days and the rest on the seventh and so Sabbath is part of natural law. It's part of creation. It's also part of the ten commandments and so it's built in, and if you transgress that law of the Sabbath, I mean you're free to do. So God's not going GonNa come down and snatch you by the hair and spank you for it but there will be consequences there will be consequences to the land. There will be consequences to your body. We have to keep in mind that caring for nature is as important as caring for our bodies because it's all connected and so when creation suffers. We have to also really think about the poor we have to keep them in our minds I remember what that other principal, the preferential option for the poor and we have to do that because poor people generally depend more on the water and the land because that's how they live. That's how they survive. They're very vulnerable to to any sort of environmental change think about the Amazon rainforest, how they are deforesting that rainforest not just that one but that's one that's notable. Have of course, the whole Earth suffers from a lack of oxygen where they've cut down the trees and that's not just down in the rainforest everywhere it's it's important to keep our national forests and our national parks keep those protected because we need those resources to just present not even it's not something to be exploited everything only earth should not be open to exploitation not people and not the earth itself not nature. You've got those think about the African people in those indigenous African people where they don't have anything to eat and so they poached the Rhinoceros and elephant for their horns in their husks because now they're living in a desert, they don't have the resources to eat and so in order to make money for themselves, they're poaching the animals. That's a natural resource. That's. What can we do or can we do anything to help them? If you think about our food production. Meat when we talk about meet thousands and thousands of chickens and cattle or crammed in these tiny spaces that breeds. then. They have to give them antibiotics to combat the disease, and then if you're talking about farming than we're we're using pesticides everywhere that killed pollinating bees and it's I've seen it kill birds, I mean the pesticides and stuff that that we use even just on our own yards and gardens are just so harmful to the wildlife and we need to be. More careful. We need to be more thoughtful. We need to be more deliberate about how we care for the environment and I'm not talking about tree hugging although if if that's your gift, then go for it because we got to have people like that we got to have people who are rabid. You know to keep the rest of us in check and. So there's a place for both of those things we have to, of course, try to find the balance, but I have to tell you that I'm one of those people that it infuriates me to see somebody throw trash out. I. Mean How lazy do you have to be that? You can't leave it in your car long enough to collect it at your House and throw it in a trash can and and you know that's just the obvious. Then you have to think about all that trash, we throw away all the food that we just waste that never gets eaten and the trash we throw out that is never recycled that goes in the landfills and how many tons of trash are just dumped in the ocean. And we were really bad about that here in America for a long time we've stopped that but all over the world, the trash is thrown in the ocean. I mean think about what that does to the animals that live there think about medication when that gets thrown out ends up in the landfill does it does it end up in the water? What about? Just in our I mean Gosh, I could just go on and on we all know of environmental catastrophes we know of environmental abuses, and so how can we in our little plot of land if we have any yard or any land, we have a little patch here it's not very big, but we have some land. How are we caring for the creation that God has given us and how can we do more for that and do we even appreciate it? I mean I it's amazing to me how how many a for instance so how many kids just never go outside and do stuff you know I have. A step sister who adopted. Two well, actually, it was three of her brother-in-law's children. Her sister-in-law died of suicide and her brother-in-law died of a drug overdose. And so they had the children had no place to go and they hadn't had a very good home life to begin with The oldest child was a teenager and she would go down to the seven eleven steel for them to eat. But I remember it they hadn't had them for very long. And I was at my mom's visiting and the kids were at her house and one of them has fetal alcohol syndrome, and so she has a mental disabilities and she's not able to to go very far as far as schooling goes, but she's very inquisitive and Swedish child ever, and then she has a brother who's a little bit younger than she is and he's all over the map because he has he has emotional disabilities. But it was so funny because they were they were in the yard you know and I was kind of playing with them. Mom's got this Dogwood tree in the front yard and they used to have quite a few trees, but they've had to remove them. So that was the only tree in it's gotten pretty big. It's big enough to climb, but you know how Dogwood trees are in the the first. Limbs kind of began pretty low to the ground, and so I was I was teaching these kids how to climb a tree. I couldn't believe that they. They were afraid to climb the tree and when the little girl her name is Gabriella and they call her gabby and so when Gaby was climbing the tree, she looked down at her hand and she was hanging onto the tree and she saw an aunt. And she freaked completely out started screaming and everything and I'm like, it's an aunt honey. It's not going to hurt you and I and I told her I said, just leave your hands sitting right there and watch it. It'll crawl right over your hand and right up the tree, and then I had her get down and look at the ants as they were coming up the tree and you know wherever they were going I don't know and. I don't like ants but I was just stunned that she had. She was terrified of these of aunts and of climbing trees you know I'm like how how can people not want to do stuff like this you know or grow up in environments where they're not able that just seems like such a simple pleasure to be able to climb a tree and to walk barefoot in the grass. Do we even appreciate all that the Earth gives us? The water that we drink I. Don't I'm not I'm not dog pollen anybody because I don't think about it every time. I get a drink of water how how blessed we are to have water at all but clean water that comes right out of the TAP. When you push the the spirit you know and that doesn't make us better. It just should make us aware that there are people all over the earth who don't have access to clean water. and. So the earth then is meant to sustain all of us not just the people in the West or the industrialized nations that coach and use all of the resources, and this is where popes they really they get after us out in the West because we're. So consumer driven, we consume consume consume without any thought for the cost in the other parts of the. World and we throw stuff away and and of course now, things are the quality of of things are is such that you can't keep it for for very long. So it always up in the trash you TV it might last two years and then you have to throw the TV away where does that go and what happens to the environment when we throw out stuff? I don't know I mean this is this is something that I have a huge problem with but but I feel so helpless I don't know how to help in these areas in this area specifically because. Man I don't know I just I love outdoor spaces and I I want to see. Those kinds of spaces preserved not just for us, but also generations, and that's another thing that the. Are Popes and our our church hierarchy they're constantly calling us to the environment is a gift to everybody. So we have to think of it as a responsibility toward the poor, but also toured future generations and towards humanity as a whole, our duty toward the environment is linked to our duty toward the human person we have to consider the person himself but also in relationship to other people, it's wrong to uphold one set of duties while trampling on the. Other Pope Benedict says in law dotto see from Pope Francis. He said a true ecological approach always becomes a social approach. It must integrate questions of justice in debates only environment. So as to hear both the cry of the Earth and the cry of the poor everything is connected, there's that connectedness again, concern for the environment thus needs to be joined to a sincere love for our fellow human beings an unwavering commitment to resolving the problems of society. So here in this document loud law dotto see it calls all of us to care for the natural world and now that call and how we live at out depends on who we are right. It could mean as simple as something as recycling or consuming less that that would be such. An easy thing to do just cut back on consumption. Do you really need that next new dress or? Whatever why are we always having to have everything new new now I get updating after several decades and things are wearing out and all that I get that but do we really need it? That's the question. Your list thing to they bobble stay Evangelista show Bob will stay spares that taste like cake. Bible study in your pocket, you can become a friend of the show. Click on the yellow a friend of the show button on Bible study. EVANGELISTA DOT COM and become a supporter of any amount and any frequency. Now. Each of us is called to care for the earth and so. That is going to depend on who we are where we live and what our duties and station in life are as to how we can contribute to that caring for the earth, if we own a business, we can make decisions and our corporations or workplaces. Maybe if we're managers that affect the environment in a more positive way I don't know. It's GONNA be different for each of us, but it's important as we're these seven principles of Catholic social justice to keep them all in mind and as I said, I would have changed the order I would have made solidarity I to show why it's absolutely necessary. That we keep these principles in mind in our daily lives because we are all connected and what happens to the Earth a happens to me and happens to you and how I contribute or neglect to contribute affects you and other people. We are all that interconnected. We showed you that from the things that we're learning through science it's very, very important, and of course, all the time we need to always take. into account through our decisions, the needs of the poor Saint John Paul. The second said and his document called on the hundred year he says equally worrying is the ecological question which accompanies the problem of consumerism, and which is closely connected to it in his desire to have an enjoy rather than to be into grow man consumes the resources of the earth in his own life in an excessive and disordered way. Man, who discovers his capacity to transform and in a certain sense create the world through his own work forgets this is always based on God's prior and original gift of the things that are man thinks that he can make arbitrary use of the earth subjecting it without restraint to his will as as though it did not have its own requisites and a prior God given purpose which. Man Can indeed develop but must not betray that was that rule of the Sabbath that I was Sharon with you instead of carrying out his role as a cooperator with God in the work of creation, man sets himself up in place of God and thus ends up provoking a rebellion on the part of nature, which is more tyrannized than governed by him out that JP to. This one is him to the dominion granted to man by the Creator is not an absolute power nor can speak of freedom to use and misuse or to dispose of things as one pleases the limitation imposed from the beginning by the Creator himself and expressed symbolically by the prohibition not to eat of the fruit of the tree in Genesis, two shows clearly enough that when it comes to the natural world, we are subject not only to biological laws but also to. Moral ones which cannot be violated with impunity. A true concept of development cannot ignore the use of the elements of nature, the renewability of resources and the consequences of haphazard industrialization three considerations, which alert our consciences to the moral dimension of development. I have to say that when I drive to town, we live about twenty five minutes out of town, and when I drive to town and I see that a swath of farmland is being developed, it almost breaks my heart. I just I don't know how we can. Maybe we should go back to the way. The British do it. You know the British families, those big rich families you know they always hand down their property as a whole to the first born, and so they keep it together and all of the the following children understand that it goes to that. That sibling. And so they are able to keep those huge properties all in one piece. Now, I'm not saying that as a way of being possessive of it, I just mean to keep it from being developed. I just really have a hard time with seeing house after House after house and they all look like cookie cutters and they're just they're crammed in. You know there where is the land? I mean how? How's the Land GonNa Breathe. If every single acre has to have a house on it so I. Know I'm going a little crazy here but it's just one of those things that bugs me. Caring for creation then calls for a unity of reciprocal relationship between man and his environment. We received the Earth as a garden and it will be very unfair if we pass on the world as a desert and there's that global thinking again, God thinks generate generational. And he thinks globally, and so we too need to get into that mindset and at the very least we should be praying for creation for the earth and I know that sounds ridiculous but it shouldn't. It shouldn't sound ridiculous and I mean maybe I am ridiculous I might just have to admit that I am but I mean operate over my rose Bush the day 'cause it's got you know I planted it and I don't know anything about roses but they're pretty and at to and they're climbing roses they'll get twenty feet tall and I, have a Trellis that they are climbing on and are developed some black spot on it you know and until I could get the The The herb here I'm talking about herbicides but before I could get the urbicide which was supposedly organic I was afraid that I was GONNA lose the leaves because that's what happens when they when a Rosebush gets blackspot like that it's a fungus and it kills the leaves and they fall off, they will fall off if they get that fungus on any leaf, that lethal dine will fall off. So I was kind of freaking out you know and I might Lord can you please just arrest the growth of this fungus until I can get this treatment? And I pray over my animals when they're sick and I mean I know it silly maybe but maybe not you know I do kind of consider myself connected to that stuff I. Know it feels connected to me I know when I sit on my porch in the mornings and I watch the sun come over the the treetops I know I. Feel connected to that you know not. Not In some pain theistic kind of way the ISM is is that God is in all things in God is all things in nature and you know they're all they're all God and that's not what I'm talking about But I am saying that God sustains all things and that we are all connected and I feel that when I'm out in nature, you know my my whole family. My two sons and my husband, they all absolutely loved the beach and that's their go to place for relaxation. But as much as I love it and I do appreciate it very much. I love the smell I love the sound I love the water, the expanse I love the the stuff that lives in the ocean I love to collect sales I loved the landscape. Beautiful and we go to the Outer Banks, and so it's not very populated. But. It gets on my nerves after a little while because it's noisy the constant. The waves coming in all the time that constant I own it starts to get on my nerves and after about a week I'm ready to get the heck out of there. Now, my relaxation place is in the middle. Of the woods and I mean the mountains I'm talking about deliverance if you've ever seen the deliverance movie, that's what I'm talking about. I would live in the middle of the Blue Ridge mountains in a heartbeat. If I could get to a town within thirty minutes I love being in the middle of the forests and that was actually one of my favorite things about being in Poland was when I did my book tour there. Because if you don't know if you're new to Bible study. EVANGELISTA. All of my books have been published in Polish. So they asked me to come and do kind of a book tour there and did a bunch of talks around. Poland. So I got to see parts of it that I had not seen when I was there originally back when my husband and I were first married as non-catholics we went over as a mission trip to evangelize the Catholics away from the church and we were going get you saved. And then you know like a decade later here I was again I was in Poland and. It was so neat to see how similar the landscape was in the areas where John Paul the second spent most of his time. It's a lot like here where I live in the eastern part of the country in the mountains. It looks a whole lot like that and what I love about the mountains is it's so green and it breathes it has its own smell, the woods, the furs, and the conifers, and the dirt and the everything. It just has its own smell and I absolutely loved that it makes my. Soul I rest as soon I mean we have to drive through the Blue Ridge mountains to get to see my parents and when we head through Tennessee East and we head through the mounds as soon as I see that First Ridge of the Blue Ridge mountains, my soul begins to rest. It is the most amazing thing. I mean I just I feel so nourished by the mountains and. That's kind of Biblical actually one of my favorites homes Psalm Ninety one he who dwells in the secret place of the most high shall abide in the shadow of the Almighty. Those I don't know if you know this but the Hebrew language is a very pictorial language, and so they used words to make pictures and so when it says the shadow of the Almighty, that's a mountain picture, and so he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Mountain shall abide under the shadow of that mountain and so mountains are the places where these theophanous occur, which is a vision of God will say. or a manifestation of God's presence. So Mount Sinai Mount Hermon when we went to the Holy Land and you could see the snow, the cap of snow, and that's of course where the water from the the Sea of Galilee it comes it flows into the Sea of Galilee and the Sea of Galilee flows into the. Jordan River. And the Jordan River empties into the Dead Sea and so all of that you know the mountains sustain anyway I didn't mean to digress like that but you know I just I love nature. Most of us do we just don't get? Enough. I think do we? We just have to keep in mind when we're talking about these principles of Catholic social justice and we're talking about caring for creation caring for creation is a relationship between man and the Environment Man and nature we can't. We can't transgress against nature without also transgressing against ourselves and we must always put the poor at the forefront of our of our fault when we're talking about industrialization and the economy and that kind of thing, we received the earth, as garden as a gift as a home building God that was connected to the Sabbath and covenant, and so we have a covenant with God to be stewards of it and to not abuse it, and if we don't, it won't be able to sustain us and it will be also very unfair while we're thinking generate generation only if we pass the world on as a desert. More next week we'll do a wrap up show I'm Sonya Corbett Your Bible study evangelist. Thank you for listening to the Bible Study Evangelistic show find out more at Bible study. And stuff dot com.
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Does A Man for All Seasons portray St. Thomas More accurately?
"Hey everyone I'm kind of taking a break from producing new episodes of the Catholic Culture podcast right now or Kind of half taking a break half preparing for interviews coming up at the very least. But I still WANNA put out some material that you probably haven't heard before last week I published something from an outside. discussion of Vatican, two by Richard Dick Lou and Chris Plante lot of people really liked that this one is an episode from criteria the Catholic Film podcast which I normally Co host with James F ski of Catholic Culture Audiobooks. Over there we've been going through the films on the Vatican Film List One by one. This episode was a little different from what we normally do over there and more similar to what I do on the Catholic culture podcast. Usually, those episodes are more like discussions interviews, and this one is definitely an interview with an expert on a certain topic frankly criteria has you know being. A pretty new podcast, a much lower listenership than the Catholic Culture Podcast, and in this case I thought the episode was enough sort of general interest outside of the niche of people who are really interested in film that I thought it was worth sharing here. So a few more people would hear it. It's all back to new interviews in a week or two, but for now, just enjoy this episode from criteria the Catholic film podcast. If you are interested in checking out more film discussions, please go to Catholic culture dot org slash criteria and subscribe because what matters is that I believe it or other no. Not, that I believe I believe I Trust I make myself. Obscure, Plan. This is criteria. Everybody welcome to a special bonus episode of criteria. The Catholic film podcast. This is Thomas Muris here by myself today. A straight interview rather than the sorts of films discussions you normally here on this show, we recorded a discussion separately of the film a man for all seasons. Which is on the Vatican film list of course, it's based on Robert Bolts play about Saint Thomas more my patron saint one thing I've wanted to discuss is. The degree to which the play in the film accurately reflect. Moore's views on conscience the freedom of conscience individual freedom, religious liberty topics like that, which are actually very current as well. In Catholic political thought right now and being sort of reevaluated in different ways it's also interesting to me as someone who's under the patronage of Thomas More because I'm not necessarily someone who wants to just throw him under the bus when it comes to say his treatment of heretics I, don't want to automatically assume that those things are either wrong or incompatible with his stand on freedom of conscience with regard to his own martyrdom, a by Henry the eighth. So I have here to discuss these things. With Me Louis Carlin, he is an attorney for the state of California, the CO author of a book called inside the mind of Thomas more from sceptre press. He's also the CO editor of Thomas Morris trial by jury procedural, and Legal Review with a collection of documents which I'm sure any lawyer will find very, very interesting. He's also a founding fellow of the Center for Thomas More Studies at the University of Dallas. Lou Welcome to criteria what a pleasure you I found it interesting to read Robert Bolts introduction to the play the other day where he kind of lays out some of his personal interest in the figure of Thomas. More. he talks about the problem of modern man no longer having a strong sense of self scholars relate everything back to economic and social causes and group identity. Of course, that's something you can very much see in various forms of mark. Thought or social determinism. But on the contrary more had a very strong sense of self. He said I he goes on to discuss the concept of an oath as a serious contract in which has more says you take yourself in your hands and he says that modern don't understand oath as an oath as a serious contract because they don't have a supernatural worldview bolt. Continues to say that in his opinion, we need to find a way to have a sense of self without what he calls magic be. He just means the supernatural by that. So he he uses that as his sort of justification and partial apology for setting more a Christian saint as what he calls a hero of Self Hood. So I just wanted to sort of go through that to set the stage for our discussion here because it's a good way to launch a I, a more general discussion of kind of the conception of self itself that Bolt lays out in this play in the person of Thomas more. So my first question to you I guess. would be to what degree do you think bolt actually does in the play in the film, alter the character of Thomas more in general terms or or or transform him from a Christian saint a modern hero of self to what degree is it true is it a transformation to what degree is it? An emphasis of certain traits that Moore did have that are appealing to moderns will you get right to the main criticism of of the play of the movie Really serious importance followers have said if roundly criticized the film as saying. That it's I guess. would be that it's fairly accurate historically but in authentic as to the real more and precisely because of the stand on conscience in an article that I wrote. I think we need to push back I. think that's Overstating what's happening I think that's taking bolts introduction. And his aims and A confusing what actually happens in the play So the scene it important scholars focus on in this from Johnston as to historian John Guy. The key scene is where. More, is explaining to Norfolk why he will not take the Moore's Talking About Apostolic Succession and whether the Pope is the. Is the descendant of Saint Pierre? And that that's something he believes in. Norfolk says, well, you know all this for belief. And more the character says, what's that. I believe but he says, no, it's it's not that I believe but I emphasise the I that I believe. and. So for for these readers, these credits, the problem is that more is elevating the cell the self as. The determinant of what is true. and. That is a very modern. Conception, you could trace from descartes of through Camus I suppose who? In the introduction that's bolt says, where do I get off essentially turning Thomas more into a Komo like Europe. So that's the problem. And Save identified that and the question is, does the movie really show that and I think this is worth discussing because I don't think the film that the plate actually does that. That if you look closely and this comes through in the in the plane in the movie. Old, makes it very clear that more stand on conscience is absolutely tied to the truth. Yes. The Catholic understanding of conscience is that you align. Your beliefs and your actions, you judge your actions. According to a standard of truth. What is good and what is true? And the modern self. If this was really a modernist play would say that the self is the determine is the creator of truth itself that we decide. What is true. And I don't think the the character created by bolt actually does that. And we can look at certain scenes I. Think a fascinating one. If you call, there's a scene. Where Moore's being interrogated with by Cromwell Norfolk and the archbishop. And the question is to more look. You say that this is capable of doubt. The issue at. With signing the oath. Doubting that. But at the same time, you have an undeniable duty of allegiance to the king. So way down against an obligation and saw write a certainty as certain. xactly. And what's more response here and this is really interesting because. It. Shows more shows both being a quite a modernist and yet look what he does he he says the the speeches along the lines of. Some people say the world is flat. And others say that round. It is matter capable of doubt. But if the king I wish that hadn't chosen that as his example interesting nobody actually thought that. Well, I think we'll chose us for very interesting reason that he's thinking of the play of La where the churches painted a terrible light unfairly as condemning a man for believing what is scientifically true. But bolts have have more say says, can the king's command? Make It flat? Can the king's command? Make it round? It can't I will not sign. What were saying here in the play is that my stand on conscience is based on what is true what I know to be true. Not Merely that I hold some belief, right? So I think, that's one interesting example there of war having a sense in the play that he actually would have that. The standard conscience is based on the alignment of one's beliefs in one's actions with the truth, it seems to be kind of a multilevel thing because he. You know in one point in the the first passage you mentioned where he says, you know what matters is not that I believe it but that I believe it, he emphasized that the relevant factor is that it's it's his conscience in that that he can only exercise his own discernment. Guided by God of course, and ultimately cannot sort of abdicate that duty of discernment that every. Every rational being has on the other hand in the passage that you just cited the emphasis is that discernment is definitely oriented towards objective truth. You know the possibility that he might be getting it wrong acknowledged, but also somewhat besides the point. In a case where you know also relevant in a case where the church hasn't spoken definitively or he's acknowledging the possibility that e- even if it has, he's misunderstanding or something like that. But So so it has this multi level thing where he manages to both affirmed the the fact that it's it's quite important that this is yes, this is his conscience. But also that it is oriented towards objective truth without sort of like making the mistake of absolutely identifying one with the other either in the sense that one subjective conscience. Should should rule over all or in the sense that one could could simply sort of farm out one's conscience you know to to the church even though even though we are forming or conscience by means of the Church's teachings. It's not quite true to say that we can simply say they're one in the same I. Suppose that's the ideal to be one with the mind of Christ but but we can't just sort of presume on that all the time absolutely and more is probably well as easily one of the most important writers on the question of conscience in its role as a citizen as a statesman in the letter that he wrote. The letters actually attributed to his daughter Margaret? To. To her sister to sister-in-law but it's very clear that more and Margaret either wrote it together or more rooted himself on, and it's based on a long conversation they had while he was in the tower. And it's all based on how where conscience where its role is in deciding how to act in the face of an unjust law. So we're GONNA drown. We're going to have a dramatized reading this for our other. PODCASTS Catholic, culture audiobooks because went to Moore, who recommended you to me also gave him permission to use that or or rather gave voice actor permission to use that so. That's something that will probably put on on. Moore's Feast Day on on June twenty second without that's amazing because that really is the the it's such a deep multi-layered. Brilliant dialogue and it brings these questions out knowing has done better. Throughout the when if you read it and you underline wherever cautioned comes up, you will find heat more really speaks about my conscience and his conscience. So there is an undeniable aspect that more believes that there is this ultra will aspect of conscience that it is your own but again, that is very much in keeping with traditional Catholics thinking if I may read a little bit from Saint John Paul the second he were under his patronage right now in very todd splendor. Saint John Paul says according to Saint Paul Conscience in a certain sense confronts man with the law and thus becomes a witness for man. A witness of his own faithfulness or unfaithfulness with regard to the law. Of essential moral rectitude or iniquity. Consciences. The only witness since it what takes place in the heart of a person is hidden from the eyes of everyone outside. Conscience makes its witness known only to the person himself. An intern, only the person himself knows what his own response is to the voice of conscience. So this we could call the subjective aspect of conscience is central to it that one really does have to make up his or her own mind about what I have done in what that means whether that is good or bad. And in that same dialogue more makes a distinction along the lines that you just made about where, where, where the churches definitive beliefs spoken. A so so mortgage large scope to conscience he. He makes it very clear that every man may have to follow the law at cost, but no man is bound to say that have given law is good. Ever. And he definitely believed in injury whigham makes it. Very clear in his scholarship. Is that more believed that the state acting as a state political body did not have the authority? Parliament. Authority to coerce consciences. This is a very big point. Yes. More talked about an example in his discussion with Margaret where she is trying to get him to change his mind she well, he points out there was a time when the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was not tentatively resolve. And I think he points out that Saint Bonaventure. was on the what ended up being wrong side of the Houston. But while it was being debated, you cannot blame person for whichever stand he took so long as it was in good faith. So that is one issue that that would be a point where more would say it's literally insane to believe otherwise if you have doubt about that issue and churches spoken to thin Italy to say nominal strike out on my own, the he he really wouldn't be able to understand that. But at the same time that doesn't mean that as you said that you sign over your conscience to the church and then all of a sudden I have no free will I can't decide otherwise because. Large degree most questions aren't settled definitively. Because there are some Grey Areas Ryan in questions. So Implicit in what you've said, we have more as unwillingness seen in the play his unwillingness to judge the consciences of others. He's very careful about that and speaking to Norfolk for example. You also touched on the fact that. Having freedom of conscience does not necessarily imply freedom from legal consequences to acting according to one's conscience if it's contrary to the law at which I'd like to return to let me just ask quickly So do you think that Moore's views of conscience are more or less in line with those of Saint? John Henry Newman yes. I do think that's right. I think that you can trace a long tradition in their they're drawing on. Essentially, the same sources, is there a reason that these happened to be to English? Saints are these two English Saints? Happen to be both very well known for their their speech in their stand on this particular topic, there's something in the English tradition that that accounts for that. Okay. That's a fascinating question. I can't speak to other traditions but to the English tradition because of precisely this. Episode in English history every serious English thinker afterwards confronted this up through the twentieth centuries. So when CS LEWIS REX book on words and he discusses conscience, he mainly draws on that very letter that you're GonNa have your induced dramatic reading of. How do we understand conscience as an English word more help define that Shakespeare be another great example. I mean we know that Shakespeare read Tom's more I. Don't know everything but we certainly know you read the history of which of the third because it's a primary source was play. So in Shakespeare's play Henry. The you can do a search and find out how many times the word conscience is used in that play. And you'd be astounded Henry's use of conscience in that play is I think on purpose diametrically opposed to the kind of conscience that Moore spoke about the The, Metaphor that Henry uses. Is His. Consciences like a storm cost ship. Of and He needs someone to sell the to quiet and that's by making things easy for him. More conscience quite different for more the ideas you had to inform your conscience correctly. And will to get this point that is lost in the in the play, but it doesn't make the plate. False is just that help understand this bolt bushes together to laws. The first was the act of succession and that had an oath component and so that we find out when meg says, they've got this law and it's got an oath component. That's the act of succession, and that confirms that and Lynn's children will be recognized as airs and you get this in the discussion, the interrogation scene. Why won't you affirm that? Will More All firm that they are the rightful heirs parliament has that power and then the archbishops as well. we find out there, there's got to be more there. So nursery says, well, in the preamble, it says essentially that the new marriages lawful is that your problem. More won't say. He spent months and months researching the issue of whether. Henry's nurse. Catherine. Was Improper. And he studied the church fathers, he looked at everything and he came to the conclusion. that the marriage was lawful. There was even a trial with the. Churches representatives England where Catherine testified said the marriage to Henry's older brother I was never consummated. There was a dispensation he went through all this and he went through Henry's the the. Passages in the custodian that were giving Henry the scruple cautious and he came out on one side and he he was very honest with the king and explain why he felt that way and and the king. Graciously accepted that. But came back and back and back. So you got that. And the question is, could rational people agree to that oath? Because, you'd have to affirm that the marriage, the numerous lawful, and in addition, this is a very long act. You have to affirm that all sorts of statutes that were recently passed by parliament that effectively disestablished the church. You'd have to swear that you would defend those. So there are two bases where we think more probably could have said. I cannot swear to that because I cannot swear to something that's false. Why do you think more was so concerned not to. Publicly denounce the Kings attack on the church. Is it simply because he had a family to protect no I don't think. So and I think that that might be if you. If you come away from the film with that impression I, think that would be a mistake in one. No more saw where this was going, and so a lot of people didn't agree as we know more was the only person asked about this at the at the beginning and the end everyone signed on including all almost all the clerks except for a Bishop Fisher. Even the Carthusian monks who. More studied with his young man with with at least live alongside with. Very austere very. Thoughtful People Day signed. This was capable of doubt. I think more took the stand because one he felt that. Inaugural goes two instances that I mentioned. He was actually affirming something before God that is false. and the other thing is that he really felt that a stand was necessary that he needed to show himself. He was the leading intellectual figure in Europe along with the Rasmusen I don't know who else when when Cromwell says his sound speaks volumes. That's true. Difference would be that the Chroma wasn't actually the prosecutor would've been. The the Attorney General hails, but got point is actually true. So I think that Moore's decision to take the stand. But in silence. was because he believed it was necessary for the Commonwealth. So despite more protestations, you know that you can't infer any particular thing from my silence. He was aware that of how this would be taken absolutely everyone knows that and so The beautiful recourse to the defense One was silent. It implies consent assent everyone sought through that as a factual matter. But what more was doing with his silence that there was no right to remain silent at that time but more was saying what the statute and here's where of sending moustache together the statue he was prosecuted under for treason. was a treason. act. And that was enacted months after he was imprisoned. So Moore's called to sign the oath. He refuses refusal to sign the oath is punishable as misprision of treason. So he actually spoke out against the of the subject matter of the law or you wrote against it now, the actual treason. And you would be subject to to death merely to not sign the oath was Miss Prison of Choosen and that meant forfeiture of all your goods and imprisonment. Quite soft sentences in comparison. That's what happened. So more is doesn't sign the he's taken immediately to the tower. Well, pretty much immediately he's had no trial he's so he's sitting in prison. A trial he's eventually convicted by a active tanger. So no trial legislative conviction. Of Misprision of treason. While he's in the tower. A new statute is passed and this makes it treasonable high treason to maliciously do anything to derogate against the Kings titles what are the Kings titles will now the title is headed the English Church. So now when he's being interrogated, he's being asked about the supremacy whether he will recognize King Henry as the supreme headed the church. Now. That's a different question that's not something that Moore would have seen as capable of doubt you can't Nicolay person headed the entire church. So for him, that's not too difficult question and but his silence is I'm not gonNA give my persecutors. Any evidence because the crime is to act maliciously do something say something maliciously against the king's title. So by remaining silent, he is not giving them. Evidence is how he sees it. But the fact of his high profile and his the fact that he knew has silence would be construed by people at large in a sense probably gave him the freedom to be silent without fearing that. You know I'm not saying something that I should you know for the good of the Commonwealth exactly. So Should more have spoken out forcefully. He resigned from public office, and this is pretty well done in the in the Tillman in the play when there's a submission of the clergy when the clergy finally say, Look Okay you you your head of the Church now and what does that mean? Henry now is the final word on Church Dr. No. So show hit that point he's saying but before. Dot terrible before that and more still stayed on why did he do that? We're actually had to read in parliament as his as part of his job as being chancellor when Henry got out and sent for these scholars to give an opinion on the marriage. to give opinion favorable to him. It was more job to read that opinion out in parliament. And he did it. He didn't ascent or descent in when someone says, what do you think about it? He said, well, I'm not saying anything centrally. Why would he do something? So that must have been excruciating and the reason was he was working he was really trying to dissuade to convince Henry to stay with Catherine. And there was a strong thought that this fancy parameter lynnwood pass. He really believes up until that moment that he could change the kings mind and he felt that there was a moral obligation to try I see. So I, guess there there's another big question to talk about but before we do that, let me ask this. So in our in our discussion of the film yesterday, the Vatican Film list comprises three categories. So there's religion values and art in of course, man for all seasons being about a Catholic saint is the religion section but to the other people I was discussing with they felt that this film really isn't very much about religion essentially in that, it should have been under the values section. So I'm curious if if you think the play off. The play makes clear. He was a religious man in many of his motive for religious, but it's focused. You think it is really a religious work or is it more just kind of a like a moralistic work? It's more political. Absolutely. And a great criticism of the film one of the Best Thomas More Scholars Ever Twentieth Century was Clarence Miller, and he wrote a short little laissez on on the film. and. He says, you know essentially they left out the most important part. That were standing consciences absolutely face base. You don't see his asceticism much for example. In the play, he goes to vespers and everybody's wondering where he is when the king is coming to visit that's not in the film but I think that's the one thing in the play where you see that he is pious beyond what other people consider convenient or reasonable Oh yes I think that is true and when he's called a man for all seasons that that's from. In a old saying that Rasmusen spoke about and that means much more like being like Saint Paul. Austin saw men, right right no I. Another thing missing from the film is more of humor and. Won't the bothers me is the empty house, this massive house and we only see real see a few people in it except for the scene where the courtiers come, the film would house would have been filled with kids and families Roper in Mega Mary years before and of course, more had several other children. So he's got four kids. He's got a ward. He's got award that Marino has it's a big family. He's got musical instruments. It's a fun place. He when he goes on trips, he brings home. The latest inventions. Musical instruments, hats, they had a monkey so you can see that in the Holbein portrait. So yes, there was a party. There was when he built this house, he added a whole wing to have a a to have his own library and chapel. So we're went to mass every day confession weekly. Recited the hours when he was young he studied with the Carthusian during a process of discernment. So yes, you can't understand how he could have that courage without the. So the other thing I wanted to talk about is we've talked about sort of conscience freedom of conscience more specifically I'd like to discuss the issue of of religion. This is something that from from the Catholic side I've seen criticized this idea that Moore was a martyr of conscience I I think I think you've indicated that view but I've seen it criticized by you know maybe more I don't know integral types, for example. On the secular side, of course, it's been criticized by I don't really want to get into the whole Wolf Hall thing but it's it's been criticized as as inaccurate because of Moore's. Involvement in the the burning of a few heretics. John Paul the second said that union is treatment of heretics. He was influenced by the limitations of his time I'm GONNA remain agnostic as to sort of which which Saint I agree with you on that because I had because I'm not sure because I you know I it could equally with respect to John. Paul. The second it could be you know he wasn't lying down as sort of doctrinal principle there and it could be that you know. Both of them are influenced by the limitations of their time in to some degree in this question. So I, I don't want to sort of like assume that say burning heretics is intrinsically evil because that that certainly hasn't been the church's position in the past but I think one thing maybe declare up would be if someone listening to this has heard for example, that Moore was a torture of heretics you know is there is there any truth to that at all there? No. To extent, we can look at historical record there is not the Hillary mental book is is appalling history in doubt regarded least No more was very clear in his own writings that that he had no hand ever in torture and and that makes sense. He challenged anyone to prove them wrong on out well, actually. Maybe. Just tell us sort of give us an overview. Exactly. What was Moore's involvement with dealing with heretics in general just like what? What was his job in that regard? Okay and so for your viewers if you want to get a picture of this great examples, the scholarship of a Richard Rex rex and there's even a great lecture online, you can watch you plug in. Richard Wrecks and Hillary Mental. You'll get an amazing lecture for free on this but to try to condense it as much as possible the punishment and the crime of heresy in England was burning in that that was established in the year fourteen hundred it was very common in all the states of Europe Hersi was understood quite differently remember there's no separation of church and state. Doctrine doesn't make sense in in that time. So was heresy he looked at will heresy was looked at his worst than murder. Murky Kill the person in heresy you convince someone. To give up their mortal soul. You, you advocate teachings and beliefs that will prevent a person from being sage that will lead to internal eternal damnation. So we're talking about the promulgation of heresies specifically. So where people ever were people ever actually simply for having heretical beliefs. No. So under Church that that the church, the old maximum church does not judge secret things. The church was concerned about all teaching and political aspect of this is no one believed that you could have a state a stable state that wouldn't lapse into civil war people had different religious beliefs. This is true. The the the process to it's not like you went from Henry, the disestablishment of the church, and then all of a sudden you got to religious toleration quite the opposite you got the opposite toleration Henry was far less tolerant. Then then the kings before him had been, that's why Jonathan Swift condemned him and said that Moore was the greatest champion of against of an Englishman. despite his hatred for the cafe so guess. Heresy was stood as being a terrible crime and A. Worst stabilizing force in politics but you're right. It isn't the belief itself were there. No. As being said, what you believe. Now, if you say the wrong thing you you'll be. Condemned as a heretic. Not. To have done. Something of taught something. And that would give you that would a. Commission of the Bishop, the authority to proceed with a trial. So if someone to reliable witness said, this person was teaching something against the real presence in the Eucharist that would be a basis for. A Heresy Prosecution you have to actually do something in fact that happens to be one of the only instances where Moore said you know I've I've had some people in my household physically disciplined on only two occasions I forget what one was but the other one was when one of the young man or something had been teaching heresy about the Eucharist to one of the children of the household corrupt the other was a sort of a He must be mad to some degree, but he would he would sneak up behind the women during mass and flip up their dresses at the exultation So this was a guy in the neighborhood. Yeah, they were both with he says apart from them he says I've never given so much as a fillip to the forehead to anyone, and that makes total sense because more understood that when he was interrogating people who were it had been accused of or might be accused of Heresy more wanted the salvation of their souls. There's no doubt about it and a false confession of faith. Certainly, by torture would be. Unthinkable to more it number only cruel but it wouldn't have the intended effect. It wouldn't be meaningful might have the opposite effect. Exactly. Exactly. So How did more interrogate? You can find that in one of his own books dialoguing of Harrison's concerns and you will see an improbably roper is the model of the students who is. Having for a conversation with Thomas. More and you'll see that Moore's method of persuasion is wonderful. It's a real conversation where both sides listen to each other where they show respect where there's humor and more absolutely wants this fella to find his own way. So definitely more there's no evidence that that more. Engaged in in torture and it's clear that he would have been against it. I tried to find support for where Hillary her basis for for saying otherwise I couldn't find anything solid. There was a book of Protestant martyrs by by Fox, and so that's online and I did some searches and one of the burnings were the the victim. But where he calls out that in the flames that to bless, Thomas Moore would that come from it isn't as book martyrs But Fox advised it over the years and he he didn't keep that one. So you know maybe there really wasn't much even to that. But again I think you see a real similarity because more when he was condemned he his final words are prayer in for the judges and that they will all meet together in heaven just as those who Saint Peter and Saint Stephen. Interestingly there is pretty strong evidence that Richard Rich later on in his career. Actually personally tortured of Protestant heretics. Prosecutor's hair Paris meaning from an Anglican point of view he was torturing. Protestants. Richard Richards careers is phenomenal and that he's really universally condemned as being sort of the worst kind of time. Server. He on every side he remained nominally Catholic and he had successful careers under Henry under. Mary Under A. He he he is known to have. Heave and turned on on Chroma when Kromah was accused of treason and convicted rich was one of the main witnesses against him so A. How about that now? So that that portrayal of a seems to be fairly well, that's an amazing performance. By John Her who was it at the time? Who is accusing Moore of torturing? And why did he have to? I mean what? What circumstances brought about him having to defend himself against that charge Oh yes. Absolutely. It was. So there is a strong group of persons scholars, religious figures. Tyndall great translator. English Vernacular Bible who were professing. These kinds the these challenging radical beliefs, and challenging rum. So there was an active to party assistant. Going on there where where more was having to defend himself against for his involvement in these trials of heresy and. Strong arguments being made that these trials were unfair Henry's main legal the rotation Chris Saint German was making very scholarly attacks on church process in heresy prosecutions. So this was inactive question during Moore's time. And more defended himself. He says to the extent I was involved and he was involved in in six in his role as chancellor in finding whether there was enough evidence to go from the church to hand the person over to the to the court system to inflict the punishment more defended that he looked carefully at the process in everyone and found that the process was fair. You mentioned some attitudes of later Protestants towards more what what was the attitude of Protestants in say the immediately succeeding generations towards him I think a strong misrepresentation in tells book is she says Moore's jury they couldn't. Someone asking. chroma wise. One of Moore's greatest enemies Cornell on the jury fan a man who is accused falsely more of Of bribery who lost a case in Moore's court and who has been gunning for him and it was a close relative of the balloon family. Why is he there? And promises look. Everyone hates more so much for what he's been doing with heritage. London we can't you know who can re had no choice not the oddest. Total set. The jury was chosen in a way that Were had to be convicted. Cromwell had barged into the jury is when they're in the trial of the Carthusian and told them injury, you'd better hurry up. And better know with the right answers. Henry had sent out publicized letter to be read to throughout the public, condemning more and Fisher, and this was before this was like the week before the trial. So No that wasn't true So what was what were process attitude wasn't true that people hated him no one possible source to get a sense of what his Standing was is that in Shakespeare's Day, one of Shakespeare's final place that he was involved in was a play called the playoffs for Thomas more. Never got past the censors Shakespeare wrote one scene at least it's only seen. That's actually we have in shakes zone handwriting. and. It's beautifully crafted seen. I, think about four million, six playwrights involved in it and one of them. This this Monday fellow who's an Torius anti-catholic under his att? PRECENTOR And yet he wanted to make a play about Thomas more that puts more in entirely favorable light. Moore's referred to without any irony as the greatest friend the poor ever have and they thought they were going to make money on this play. So this wasn't this wasn't meant to be satire. This wasn't meant Yari and the scene in the play where everyone's handing more the petitions he was known as a straightforward fair minded judge who would listen to. and his court said Equity Dot, who's main function that they serve? I, it seems as though. If, more is regarded as a incorrectly to some degree as a champion of freedom of religion. It's only in the sense that the Church's doctrine on freedom of religion is frequently misunderstood by a Ma. I would say even modern day like self-described Orthodox Catholic. So I'm I'm not an integral interest I don't think I do think that we are in the process of recovering some. preconceived teachings on a number of different topics that have been neglected from say like late Nineteenth Century early twentieth century in so good goals. Including teachings on sort of the rights of the church in terms of coercion and things like that. I don't I don't know exactly where I fall and all that but there's there's something some movement going on in that direction So I guess I don't have I. don't have a really great formulation for my question here but I guess I'm just wondering how do you think that Moore's treatment of heretics? Canonized Saint. And in the context of him being a hero of conscience not being someone who neglected the importance of conscience and the freedom of conscience. What do you think that has? To say to our our view of religious liberty at this time our interpretation say of of Catholic teaching on Religious Liberty I think that what you have to do with more on on the one hand is, is look at him, his his position as based on the time in which he lived. There was no, there was no toleration in that sense and no, no one thought there should be. was. Catholic and Protestant at that time tolerance wasn't viewed as a good Why would you tolerate no rights to be wrong It didn't really make sense and so more was not a champion of religious liberty in that sense. At the same time, you know you're talking about a world where there wasn't a separation of church and state and where there was no political pluralism more did have a discussion with roper. Any Roper is exalting how great England is because we're trampling on the heretics and more said, wait you. Now things could change a lot things to be reversed, and in that case, roper the thing would be for them to have their churches quietly and we'd have our churches quietly ourselves. This is a big second best. There's more sort of looking ahead to a different world and saying, well, how should we act that type of world and I? Think the answer is we should act the way Church teaching is today where although toleration wasn't viewed as a good in the sixteenth century Seventeenth Century where he had poked speaking out against it. But Church teaching itself I think you can see genuine development that is leading to the Vatican two council documents on religious freedom and yes that's where more would be if he were alive today and you spoke of John Newman here, we can see a real development in Newman sense of of church doctrine. Church soccer never acquired the burning of heretics. So we have a development and I think more would champion it. If he were alive today. The I guess the only thing the only thing I know of that would kind of. There is one people ball that anathematise is the proposition that it is against that the burning of heretics against the will of the Holy Spirit. So the proposition that. The burning of heretics is against the will of the holy. Spirit is condemned meaning which would seem to say if this isn't a thirty-eight of fanatics. That You can't you at least can't say that it's inherently evil to do. So maybe maybe yeah. It's not requiring that you be in favor of it in any given circumstance either got perhaps the analogy would be with the death penalty that it's not definitively against church teaching, but certainly not required. In your opinion did more act under the limitations of his time or more according to the circumstances of his time in the sense that was it was a a limitation of thought or was it was it more of a? The circumstances being entirely different and so he actually could have acted entirely rightly. prudentially according to the you know everything you said about what heresy meant? That time and all that yeah. Are Richard wrecks in his essay in the Cambridge Companion to Thomas more excellent collection of Essays A. Deals with question is more a fanatic or statesman in any comes down solidly on as the second that that Moore was a statesman that belief that heresy was had to be a crime under states as they existed at that time was so entrenched that the proper response of statesman was to ensure. Due Process limitations on it that was a statesmanlike way of proceeding not using it for to settled quarrels not using it to settle scores not using it unfairly, but that was the way European states operated at that time. So. It's not like more ever apologize for their being laws against heresy. He really thought they were necessary to ensure that well to as a protection against people being misled and that was almost universally shared. As it turns out, I don't think that. The history has. Proven that that's A great approach that it doesn't really work in. It hasn't worked in the West. And so I think that yes, I. Think if you now look the sweep of history and you look at the Vatican two doctrines. Documents on religious freedom the pretty convincing and I think that. You know more wasn't a big month for dissenting against the church I think he'd have fully endorsed sure I. Guess You know the the argument that I've heard is that you digitize Humana is is actually if you read it carefully fully. Compatible with, say the the assertion of the right to the church in Immortality A. The the the prior teachings in the late nineteenth century that confessional state is, in fact, the ideal even if even a pluralist, even if you know it's not. Always prudentially sort of required under different circumstances. So you know I guess the debate that's going on today as you know over that issue and then maybe following from that, let's say if you did somehow you know one hundred years from now have a confessional state. Would it then? Would you then return to the attitude towards the promulgation of heresy? Legally speaking that that was held in Christendom. So I don't I don't know that we can resolve that issue here but correct I don't think we can Yeah I I think that. Yes. What what what would be appropriate in a confessional statement will be appropriate in a modern pluralistic A. Republican government is a different question, but it should be noted that there's there's no doubt on one thing that that Moore was a strong proponent of. Republicanism understood in the ancient tradition of dotto through Cicero I mean he was not he did not. It was not a big fan of kingship accepted under a constitutional. Setting he he he felt that parliament really should be in in charge. He had to be a bit careful on how he said that. Well, it seems like he would be more in line with at least you know if the play as accurate when he talks about words, he had the words both the words of laws you know it seems seems like you can turn Ital- what where he would come down to some extent in the recent debate over originalism for example yeah. There's no doubt that that more and and this is a great aspect of of bolts play. Vote really got Moore's respectable of law. And that amazing speech about. Tearing down all the laws. Are Land is planted thick with laws, Nans laws, and he tear them down roper just added. Do it would you able to stand in winslow? That's bolt. Absolutely. And it's been quoted by Spring Court. I don't know how many other courts, but it's very true to more and when it's mixed into a conversation where they're criticizing more for giving the devil his due. Will more actually did say that if the devil was on one side and my father was on the other. The devil having good 'cause would should get the judgment. He absolutely. So. Yes. More hasn't a very strong belief that rule of law is central to the common law. What are the even the dialogue on conscience, which will be recording for Kathy, culture audiobooks. What other primary sources should people look at to learn more about Moore's views on conscience that absolutely would be the primary source His letters, his final letters to two meg where he discusses his interogations. So so the final letters or great there's a new addition of the letters edited by Steve Smith at Hillsdale and that's I've got it here. It's an sceptre. So that's a the selected letters and they're beautiful and this is a portable book beautifully edited Steve Smith is really one of the great young more scholars what Documents are those those something that a layperson would be able to profit from reading? Yes. In the book that that I helped edit, there are some great documents as even a sort of fictional. There's a recalled a docudrama. All the sources, original sources of the trial or sort of put together and. Their two main sources roper biography was based on eyewitness rover wasn't there and it was written about twenty years after the fact, and then there's the Guildhall report that came in a Paris newsletter that was contemporaneous account. So you get both of those both very readable. The trial is fascinating. And and bolt is fairly close to the Roper version. You don't need any training in law or for history those. There is an incredible new development in more scholarship, and that is the publishing of a new work called the essential works of Thomas more now. Yes. Yes, and that's on that's yell press. It's it's rather big book and it is one hundred dollars, but it's it's astounding. It's cheaper than getting the complete yell works, of Thomas, more which I have just the first volume of. Yes. In those complete works are are amazing but they were actually never finished. Oh No I know you out your business finish. It's pretty close but for incidental letters but man, no, it's amazing if you can find the one to look for. Because volume fourteen is The sadness of Christ's Day, Trista. And that is one of the Great all-time, works of Scholarship. That has Moore's own handwriting. His holography is they found in Valencia. So. You can see his own handwriting in Latin on one side. then. Clarence Miller. Has It on the other side and he's got his translation right there, and then a volume of accompanying volume of notes and for Les Reading. Sadness of Christ, his final work. Is. Amazing spiritual reading especially, Lenton say short treatise on the passion, but only gets as far as doesn't get very far. It gets up to the to the arrest us it unfinished or is that just how far he went? That's how far he went his purpose was to figure out how? To be a martyr if called upon when one is not a courageous, Margaret. What do we do when we're fearful fearful martyr like Thomas was. And it is fascinating and it. It has some amazing passages of Moore's humor mentioned. That is is even there. I'm he has a passage describing how we pray that is one of the funniest things ever and he talks about how what are we actually in maybe ought to reflect on Howard? What were we actually doing and he has a beautiful discussion of our mind is wandering our bodies are wandering were fidgeting were cleaning are no are cleaning our fingernails with a pocket knife and picking are knows stuff like that? So it's it's and it's very serious and at the same time. He didn't finds humor in the The Gospel passage concerning the sleeping apostles where he finds, he makes an argument that Jesus is using irony when he tells them. He when he comes back third time and says sleeping again no. Go sleep in how the arrest and then tells him to get up and more says, well, I think he's being ironic there. He's not really telling me to go to sleep again and he's saying you know I know Saint? Thomas. Quiet. Saints. Saint. Augustine. Felt differently and yet this other explanation and I'm not GonNa say I'm right and he's wrong but anyway, this oats. It's really a phenomenal read. Very accessible. Thank you so much for coming on the show to enlighten us on this I feel like the the play has been vindicated a large extent. It may not be fundamentally religious. Work of fiction, but it is a still as far as it goes seems to be largely accurate at agree. All right. Thanks for coming on my huge pleasure. Thanks so much. All right. Everybody. Thanks for listening. If you go to the show notes page at Catholic culture, dot org slash criteria you'll find that I've linked to of resources on the page for this episode, a number of the books mentioned of course, and the lecture by Richard Wrecks that Lewis mentioned of course the Center for Thomas More Studies which Lewis as I mentioned earlier was. A founding fellow of of course, James AFC and I had our normal discussion episode on this film. A couple of days ago find that in the criteria feed or linked in the show notes for this page. That's discussion where we talk more about the formal aspects of the film it particularly how it handles adapting theatrical work to the medium of film and over A. Catheter Audio Books James and his wife Corinna. Also, an actor have done a wonderful dramatic reading of Moore's dialogue of conscience which featured in this discussion with Louis. Carlin I'll add the link to that when it comes out on the twenty second if you're interested in following up on some of the issues, I mentioned of the interpretation of the Church's older and more recent. Teaching on religious liberty, I've linked to a couple of interesting essays. One is on Capitol Dot Org in our library. It's by William Marsh ner titled Dignity Tatas Humana and traditional teaching on Church and state and another one by Thomas Pink in first things titled Conscience and coercion. 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Ep 411 Vinny Flynn
"The. Welcome. You're listening to the crosswalk with deacon Kevin Andrews a show about living life at the intersection of faith, family and vocations and now your host Deakin Kevin good afternoon. Thanks tunes. The crosswalk here the bear radio network. I am your host the and Kevin Andress in. You're joining us in your car during your lunch break. If you're joining us livestream from your office or anywhere in the world, the thinks things for being with us this afternoon here, we are we've come to the end of lent and Easter and one of the one of my new favorite weekends of the year outside of the holy trim in Easter is divine. Mercy Sunday, and there's been a lot of talk in in in in prayer and devotion that has kind of spurred a lot of with Saint John Paul the seconds kind of institution of divine. Mercy Sunday in his promotion of that in so. Oh, my guest on the show today is Vinnie Flynn, Vigna's popular speaker at Catholic conferences around the world, and he's a bestselling author of seven secrets of the Eucharist Twenty-one ways to worship seven secrets of confession. Mercy's gays in seven secrets of divine. Mercy Vinnie's helped train many of the people writing and speaking about divine mercy today, he also has been seeing the original chaplain of divine mercy on E WTN with some of his children for over twenty years. Currently he's director of mercy song ministries of healing in Vinnie lives with his wife, Donna and Massachusetts and travels frequently to speak at conferences and retreats all seven of their children have been volved in Catholic ministry, and some of their twenty seven grandchildren are now involved as well Vinnie. Welcome to the crosswalk, Hank Ican. It's nice to be with you. And just just read in the end of that bio, seven children and twenty grandchildren, you're blessed. Indeed. I am and that need update that okay? All right. What are we going thirty thirty grand thirty grand children. All right. Yeah. So in counting. So you are you are more and more blessed than my bio has is indeed a blessing. Well, great. Well, maybe Vinnie for people that aren't aren't familiar with. You have got a copy of your seven secrets of divine. Mercy your book, which some of our listeners might be familiar with put out by Ignatius press. And in the Augusta institute tell us a little bit of your background. How you first got interested in divine? Mercy. Well, actually, I I'm I'm living in the in the house. I was raised in which is four miles away from the national show divide mercy in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. So it might turn started bringing meat to mass at the shrine the year. It was bills when I was just a kid back in, you know, nineteen sixty so it's been like home away from home Emerson's for those. Of the for our listeners who aren't familiar could you give give us a general overview about the history of the devotion of divine. Mercy. And why why why is there a trying of divine mercy for miles down the street from your house anyway? Well, the basically the revelations to Saint Stena now saying Stena who is very simple pose none very little education. Then our Lord began appearing to her nineteen thirties. She was told by the Lord to to keep a diary and it scared her to death because she had only the equivalent of about three semesters of grammar school education. So she was terrified of writing anything. But she obediently wrote a six hundred page diary that is no being compared to the writings of the great doctors of the church. So she she basically she was called by the Lord is his his apostle and secretary of mercy. He wanted through her to really proclaim his mercy in with a with a new focus that would bring people to really understand the gospel. Call of mercy. The the hers, her spiritual director was hiding out in in Vilnius from the Nazis, and he was trying to get to the United States for safety because he was kind of on the hit list, and he ended up talking to a Marian priest who was all trying to get out of the country. And that's the way I should have said actually, married preach was trying to get a country so same Postino confessor gave him this pamphlet on divine. Mercy and tried to help him get out of the country, and he kind of out if he managed to get to America safely. He would spend the rest of his life promoting motions of mercy, and he was a polish Marion priest. He ended up through kind of miraculously trip ending up on US soil kissed the ground and began, you know, cranking out McGrath painful. A divine mercy, and eventually that group that congressional variance of the medically conception. They came to Stockbridge, Massachusetts and opened a place there, and and one of the the priests started promoting timers E, and it's just kind of exploded in a way that no one had anticipated. And I mean, they've distributed millions and millions of leaflets book with some pretty cards cetera about diversity. So they've become the basically the the promoters and kind of protectors of adversity message and devotion. So that it it would be promulgated properly to people in melts, the devotion itself in in in in the priest who, you know, who who came the priest came to to help spread the devotion. It's outside of the diary is is. Again, that the the the picture of divine mercy to speak a little bit about where that image came about the fact that you know, that this isn't just a just another painting by somebody right? Well, in in in my book via vibrancy, I explained that that one of one of the quote secrets of divine. Mercy is not just a picture of Jesus. It's a it's really a whole theology church in that one image. He appeared to her Christ appeared to her and he told her to paint an image and she tried on her own casually. And she just didn't have any talent that wave. So she finally commissioned with the help of spiritual director commissioned painter to do it, and he created this image, and it just has had a powerful effect on people globally ever since no matter which version of the, you know, tick version of the image. It is it seems to draw people and basically a famous image with crisis right hand raised in blessing as left handed fighting was hurt and the. Streams of Palin red streams from his heart representing the blood and water when his heart was pierced across as a fountain of mercy. He told his is his heart was opened his the floodgates of his mercy came through that heart for the whole world in when he would heart was pierced on the cross. So that's that's essentially it the those rays represent the sacraments church. Holy Spirit, especially the sacraments of baptism and confession Eucharist, and as my spiritual. He's say the hands tell the story that, you know, this is Christ who Saint pulses is the image of the invisible God, he's the image of the father. So this picture shows us what the father is doing all the time. It's always blessing us always inviting us into his heart. Always pouring his Holy Spirit, his love and mercy through the Pierce tar cheeses out for us. All that's God's great plan to fathers great. Have mercy on us all and that's why he's in Jesus to to die for our sins in your your book seven secrets of divine. Mercy. You you start the book off in the introduction. Talking about this concept of monopoly, spirituality, could you explain what that is to the listener in whether or not divine mercy falls under that category. Yeah. It can't anything can fall into that category. In the sense that there are there devotion 's meaning little things that we do prayers rituals postures things devotional things we do oppressed. We say, and there is devotion, which is a function of heart where we make a commitment to the Lord. And any any devotional that we have any devotion 's that don't have company within that spirit of union with God, that's a real commitment to God, they could become just ritualistic things that we do. They almost become idols where. They they don't they don't dress to God, they sometimes keep us from entering into a deeper relationship with con. So there are several devotional things in the in the diarrhea saying Stena the pictures the images one the chaplain. Vine mercy to special prayer Venus. Define mercy. The great our of mercy this east of mercy. So there are a lot of things that devotion that people can say and do, and if some if people get focused, for instance, my spiritual that you say that the image is not something just hang on your wall. It's not a superstitious thing. Hang on the wall, you'll go directly to heaven without passing go. That's where the monopoly spirituality comes in. It's like we sometimes think that if I do the proper devotions I go through the motions that that's enough. But it's not if it's just lip service. The route says this people give me lip service, but their hearts are far from me. So. We're not supposed to just hang that picture on the wall. For instance, was supposed to gaze on it to really understand that we're supposed to become like what we see. We're supposed to have our hand raised and Lessing over people. We're supposed to be inviting people to our hearts, we're supposed to be pouring love and mercy from our hearts out to other people. So it's really the the image is an image of who we are called to be not just who Christ is not just to the father is. But it's it's showing us who got is. So that we will realize that he expects us to become like him. That's the devotion of divine. Mercy that comes from these devotions. So that's where we want to get beyond. Just a monopoly, spirituality, where we do certain things thinking there's some magic wand to it. That's going to get us to heaven nothing. It's that we we need to be committed to the Lord and using these things to help draws into a deeper relationship. Him. Yeah. Just like with any. I mean, if it's the divine mercy devotion or just in general, you know, prayer prayer life. It's not having a list of things to do. And checking things off of a list, if you don't really enter into it, if it doesn't if it's focus isn't Christ and bringing us closer to him than it's just a bunch of do gooder work that you know, were lake we would pull out of other tasks that we have on our daily lists that we just check off just to kinda get through the day. Exactly. One of the biggest examples, I we know the feast of divine mercy as you mentioned is coming up a great second Sunday Easter, which is the active day of Easter. It's basically the the greatest day of the Easter feast is mercy Sunday and on that day Christ promised there would be complete pardon remission of sins and punishment all sins and punishment should of and some people treat that like a magic one. Oh, I gotta get to the feast mercy celebration, I gotta wait in line to envision that a gotta received communion and. And now I now I go directly to heaven. And what people feel to realize is all Greece comes to us indirect proportion to our hearts. So and the church teaches that very clearly the grace of every sacrament any grease. We get from God comes to intra-port to how much we are disposed to unite ourselves with God. So if I just goes through the motions, I I make the sacrifices I get to a divine mercy celebration. I wait line. I go to confession. But my heart is far from it. I'm not I'm not willing for deeper union with God. I'm not willing to change my life. Whatever ways he wants to change my life. Then I'm not receiving the grace. So it's not just a better going to receive this great promise. It's understanding lies making that promise. He's trying to draw a deeper into understanding value of confession and Eucharist. And as as it. Mahar skis agree polish cardinal who who has written so much about divine mercy, and he stressed don't wait to go to confession until mercy. Even though seen it didn't. You know, she went. She went the week before he said, prepare, your heart all through land. And and and go if you can go to confession before holy week. So that UBS state of grace all the way through holy week. And mercy Sunday, and then you receive communion on that day. But but the the the idea that you have to absolutely to get this promise you have to confession. That day is a complete misunderstanding. It misses the point. Yeah. That's good. That's good. That is good information. Again, it's not, you know, the graces of the sacraments are are not some magical potion, or you know, day of, you know, a number of things on a certain. I mean that starts to get to be a little bit on the superstition side, which, you know, we visit Catholic church, you know, against that that, you know, these are the Grace's that are given by God in yet to receive fully those Grace's that we must be predisposed. Our hearts must be predisposed to receive those graces. You don't just get to show up in all of a sudden somehow magically transform not to say that God doesn't have the power to, you know, strike somebody down and blind them like Saint Paul and convert them in a moment's instance. They got X absolutely has the power to do that. But that should not be our our impetus, or, you know, our picture of it going into taking advantage of such a such a wonderful day in the all the devotion of of divine. Mercy what are some of the different aspects of of the divine? Mercy devotion itself. I mentioned the hour of greed mercy where we're three o'clock hour wherever we are in the country. I mean, it's always o'clock where we we've we focus again, we can't we don't real superstitious about bad. Basically, we we remembering the hour. He died on the cross that was the hour when his heart was opened where mercy was made available to the whole world. You know through the sacrifice for once for all sacrifice of Christ. So we crisis asked that we take some time. Even if it's just a few moments where we just meditate on his passion. We we think back on this incredible sacrifice that he made for us. So that three o'clock we pause in some way. Now, there's a particular prayer that people love to pray at that hour, which is the chapel virus, which is a special powerful print that he gave her where we are actually rejoining Christ and pray to the father eighty channel father 'Skin him to have mercy not only us, but. On the whole world, and that for the sake of his passion. So the his passion will have been in vain, and we're asking the father to really, you know, fulfill your plan father have mercy on us and on the whole world. So that becomes a very powerful prayer. Some people feel gotta pray that it's three o'clock hour. Well, that's not really true. You can pray at anytime. Grace actually has to to encourage people to pray at continuously as an as a continuing no Vena of chaplains where it would be down a daily basis. So it's it it's a very appropriate prayer to pray during the three o'clock hour, but he didn't insist on that at all matter of fact prayer, he asked for specifically if people could do it was to make stations across touring, the our mercy if not to at least pause wherever they are for a moment and think on his passion. Interesteing? There's also the the there's another Novia that gave specifically in addition to the movie chaplains, he gave a nine date Novi to Saint fuss, you know, asking her to pray it he didn't ever ask her to tell other people to pray it. But because she wrote in the diary, a lot of dues observed the Nevena of divine mercy because basically it's for nine days starting on Good Friday and ending just before mercy Sunday the for these nine days each day Christ asks her to bring before him, a certain group of souls, and it's a different group each of the days, and then she then lifts up upriver own after the imitation of Christ to particular Kupa souls. She lifts up a prayer to Jesus to take these sows into his the abode of his merciful heart, and then she follows that with a prayer to heavenly father for these souls. So. It's it's it's a short no-visa. It's it's a very powerful Avena and many people say do pray it s I've seen it. It'd be praying with us in heaven as as we just bring up all these different types of people all these different categories of people and present them to the Lord for his mercy. Then there is the feast itself, which is you know, basically Christ calls at the last refuge for centers. It's when his eye on that day, he said, the the floodgates as mercy opened, and that's another reason why we focus too much on this this great promise where I'm going to go wait in line for confession and go to communion. That's all I'm thinking about. I miss the whole point that he wants to give on imaginable Grace's. That's what he Joe I on that day, the the great feast they ultimate feast of Easter I last day of Easter the eighth day Christ wants to give on imaginable Grace's. Well, I don't know about you. But I can. Imagine the grease. It's. I can't even imagine. So I need to I need to go on that day and go before the Lord and say, okay Lord here. I am. I'll take whatever you want to shower me. I'm going to open my shoulder, and what what what her her her spiritual director, and the the the priest who is responsible for studying her 'cause and presenting her beatification 'cause he he wrote that that on that day God wants to squander grace. He wants to waste it. And I find it really interesting because you know, I talk about this in the diviners book where to talk about the parable of the prodigal, son. And what I do I give my my this is this is actually the pro the parable of the prodigal father. I was prodigal meant bad. It doesn't mean bad. It means squander the product with some the younger son is called product because he wastes his inheritance, he squanders it. But the real product is the father who squanders love. He's rosen. Even though the son who comes back doesn't deserve. Even though the elder son doesn't deserve it. Because of his judgmental nature in his hostility to his brother. The father squanders his love on both reaches out to both of them with his arms wide open. That's what God wants to do on the feast diviners see the second Sunday of Easter he wants to call his people together. So then he can really just squander his love. Pour out his love upon us in unimaginable ways. It's it's an awesome time to present ourselves to the Lord say, okay. Learn ready. Give me more, you know, in in for those that, you know, I talked to people that say, you know, you know, there's I've got there's too much too much baggage. You know, I've done something to you know to hideous. God, you know, God couldn't forgive me. You know, why you know p? People who kind of wallo in their retro wretchedness to think that on especially on this day of all days to think that you know, God doesn't have enough mercy again to invol- up whatever it is that my incident insignificant sin might might have been in the grand scheme of the entire universe and of his creation. I say, you know, what maybe just test him know. Not that we that. We should test test God. But I think in this instance, I think he's sitting there going you want you just try me. You know, bring bring me wherever it is that you have I he has an infinite amount of of mercy over the little sinfulness of my my sinfulness is a speck in the ocean of his mercy for sure. And he actually is if if even more than him saying, try it he's he's promising one of the one of the one of the secrets that I mentioned the book is God loves backwards that we tend to love each other based on how we're treated. So if you're nice to me, I'm nice to you. And that's we've learned this conditional have loving and compared to that God loves backwards. Now, he's the one was doing it. Right. We're the ones who are backwards because we think that love should be dependent upon behaviors and got his focus on our behavior. He's not focused on our in he's focused on relationship. And and the reality that when we send it cuts us off from the each trying to give it doesn't make him withhold his love, he's never withholding as well. And he promises if you come to my mercy, just put, you know, open the door jar to me, and I will I will step right in with mercy. You know, he he says the greatest sinners have agreed assed. Right. So my it's extrordinary what he tells the diary about centers. He repeats what he said in the gospel. He didn't come to call. It rises. He came for Senator. He he to to to to forgive us and healers and restore us because that's what love does in God his lung. So pope Francis has a wonderful way of saying he's says you wanna make God happy. For ask him to forgive. You. That's what he delights in doing. It brings him joy. That's his greatest delight is to forgive us. Because it restores us as he's Joe that's created us. So there's no send no sin possible that can make God stop loving us. He chose each one of us to exist promise to love us forever. Wh what I was gonna tell me years ago is that God is loving me. Just as much when I'm sitting is what I'm praying. My sin doesn't change his love. It changes me. So again, receive his love, I can't be healed by it. And and I can't grow through it. So that's the reality of over. God wants to do the feast mercy. He he will he wants all centers to come to. If you're the greatest world, you're the one he wants their most. On that day and say, okay, Lord. I I'm gonna trusting dare to trust that you can even love me that you can totally forgive me say yes to that. I don't believe there's a greater greater testimony than what you just said for any any listener that might be struggling with you know, where they're at in their life right now anything that's going on, you know, that burden that they're that they're carrying upon themselves that there's nothing more. You're right that that God wants you to lay that at his feet in allow him to just shower you in his his love and his mercy, and you know, again, the picture if you don't have a picture of divine. Mercy you know in your home in your office. Again, just a simple way to start is to get that image into this. The look looking at the image. And Jesus is just pulling back, you know, his his garment there and just little peek of his heart and just the littlest slightest. You know, pullback of his garment is light just, you know, rushing out and just flooding. The person that gazes on it. And I, and I I that's again just an in an image that just shows there's so much more even even there, you know, in his heart as hard as this infinite space in in. We're we're all called into it into into dwell in it, and you know, again, divine. Mercy Sunday the feast coming coming upon us quickly and just a huge opportunity for all of us. We're all sinners, and so it's it's there for for all of us a side of your book and the diary of Saint Augustine are then the other resources to help listeners really enter enter into the devotion of divine mercy. Yeah. They're I mean, they're all kinds of resources now. More and more. People are starting to understand that you know, mercy is kind of the umbrella over everything in the church and actually in. Even even the earlier books seven secrets of the Eucharist because confession it's all about the mercy because everything the church is about to MARCY. We've my daughter. Erin, I have just come out with a book published by ten books. That's commands. An at ration- companion where we try to pick prayers some old prayers. Some new prayer some prayers that we've each written where we try to encourage people to enter more into the basically the greatest celebration of mercy, which is the mass and the eucharistic prisons little word at the mass and eucharistic adoration. So there there are just several of the actually even some of the the the people teaching the last our last three popes we tried to put some of those into preformance really encourage people to to enter into the. Presence of the Lord who is mercy itself, you know, all through the mass and and in times of of eucharistic adoration, you know, mentioned before the feast that there's this great promise. But the Lord is really calling us to receive the sacrament of confession. And you Chris as a part of divine mercy in the in the diary of Saint Augustine, these are referred to as the great miracles of mercy. The fountains of mercy. And and there's something we we're I think especially on the feast of mercy, but all year round, we need to develop a deeper understanding of home much the word wants to his love into us through these two sacraments of confession. And and Ukrist pope jumbo says there's a mysterious oneness of time where when we go to the national when we go to mass we go to sit and eucharistic adoration. We're back at the cross. We're right there and Calgary. And all the all the graces that Christ one for two thousand years ago at the cross become available to are now moment, there's this this again, really cause mysterious oneness of time where two thousand years ago, and right this now this moment become one, and I received now in my no moment of need, the forgiveness, and Grace's and healing that Lourdes one for me two thousand years. It's it's an it's an amazing concept because God Liz in what's called the turtle now on the cross. He's so you and me talking right now he can. He saw the people who are listening to us. And he loved us from the cross then and chose to take all our sins then and die for them. So that we could be restored as joking, and that's what's really happening in the confessional and the Ukraine where there's this time lapse going on where Christ is available. We're encountering Christ. Right then. And in person is it's amazing thing where we Maury realize that the powerful it becomes force of the more. We can receive the greatest secondments. Yeah. As powerful in a unite to to wait for divine. Mercy Sunday to take advantage of God's mercy seems a little bit shortsighted on our part in in your in your absolutely right to grow this greater appreciation for the mercy. And the Grace's we receive in the sacrament of the Eucharist, which we have available to us every day of the year. And that that seems to be, you know, where this this devotion divine. Mercy should be pushing us to is is it do a greater appreciation for the mercy that God has available to us at any point of any day in you know, in our whole life. So that's that's absolutely fantastic. Any final thoughts for the listeners on, you know, maybe in courage meant or how how how they might start this devotion devotion to divine. Mercy. Well, the biggest the biggest thing is trust in God, the whole essence of the vines. He message is that that the father is always loving us, always pursuing even we mentioned by mercy image. If you look at the seat of that image. They're not side by side. One is in front of the other God is always moving toward. And we see that in that image. This is why they put the and some of the images they put the Senechal were behind because this is Christ walking through the door. It's to his disciples who are terrified. It's his appearance to them in the upper room Easter Sunday and again on mercy Sunday where he is to those two great sacraments of confession and the Eucharist in the same room. This is him his mercy in motion, he's always moving toward us. And if I have any of the people to give the people, it's you know, realize he's moving toward you and stop running away from him. You know, finally if I just finally say, okay, we're I will stop running away. I will let you come closer. And I will trust you have my back. I will trust that you love me crater than my sin that my send doesn't change you love that. You are always welcoming me into your heart. And that you have you know, treasures to give to me. That I can't even imagine. So it's just it's Lord help us all to trust enough. So will say deeper, yes. To the Lord and allow him to do what he longs to do which is to have our cion. Yeah. That's fantastic Vinnie. I wanna thank you for for coming on the show today before we go with the listener needs to get some resources, or or your book on Diversey or any of the other books in in things that you have what where's the best place for them to go to get that stuff can just have any Flynn dot com. Vinnie Flynn dot com. Fantastic. Invidious V, I N Y F L Y N N dot com, or you can go in you've got everything available on your ministry website, mercy song dot com as well. Seesawing that come as well, and you know, people can most of most of the books if not all of our available that most most Catholic stores and online resources, and so I mean, there's there's a lot of places that people can can get more resources. We'll Vinnie things again in the just know that we will your ministry will be in all of our prayers. Thank you. Yeah. And that goes for you our listeners as well. You're always in our prayers, especially coming up here this feast of divine mercy, I encourage everybody, you know, to really dive into a us a springboard. I know it was for me about seven years ago really coming to know, this this devotion in the in the chaplain of divine mercy. And in again, the the trust that we need to have in Jesus that the promises that he will give us we trust in the fact that he is Jesus is good in in. God is good on all of his promises. And so with that ticket with you as you grow in your relationship with Christ, which we know as a lifelong journey, but. Every journey will begin with that first step. I will pray for you today that you have the courage to pick up your cross in foul him on beacon, Kevin Andrews may God bless your week. Thanks for listening to the crosswalk with deacon. Kevin. 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Nacht der Amazonen The Pantsuit Revolution of the German Amazon Synod BFP 15.2
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Their Amazon and the pantsuit revolution of the German Amazon says praise Jesus Christ now and forever I'm John Beaman was President Development Forum tonight our tale your mind's eye let's go back to some ancient history and any rate adveniente is a relief group that sponsors helped Latin America Avenia has been a source of money and legit apocalypse in our Bible fast forward to today yesterday we lien was so tough she even participated in the Trojan war for them unfortunately on the losing side into built that temple built that town and their Saint John was right there in the middle of it when he received most Pat Moses a small island about twice the size of key west overall about seventeen square miles and get to the meaning in origin in the history of the word Amazon the daughter Amazon neom these were the Amazonian 's they were fierce women regarded throughout the ancient world in there of aries the Greek God of war became the Queen of the Amazonian a tribe of warrior women whose trail of destruction stretched from Libya Rolling City and a Roman city that had been flourishing since about four hundred BC and in the middle of that city was a temple the name Patmos literally translates as my killing wasn't a pleasant place but there there was a spur the in the midst of that Amazonian Environment received the visions of the final battle and revelation of all history that now form the book of which Blick punk deans focus or spotlight so it's focus her spotlight Latin America they published an interview with Austrian addicts to prepare and propel the Amazon Senate. They've been right there with at the whole time in their journal Blickpunkt Latin America wrote the instrument and laborious that working document of the Senate so he gives them an interview and he's talking about fast forward seven hundred seven hundred or so years and we get to Saint John The evangelist was exiled to the Isle of what the goals this guy's the masterminded the Senate get it and he's talking about the goals among others theologians and acquisitions of the church in others have spilled all sorts of ink including served by the city to Artemisinin Aries and it was called the Amazon Museum they built the Amazonian just five days away the start with a prayer named the father and the son in the Holy Spirit Ahmed Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with the via make towards building a church with an Amazonian face now Amazonian leave proof that the Rhine the river of the Germans flows into the Amazon River and it came in the form of an interview published by German Church Finals Today Brand Mueller Mueller Burke they all say that this is if that statement is infallible statement of Church Dogma and here's things in the interview Chrysler claims that Saint Pope Saint John Paul tewes declaration given in a nineteen another question quote in what ways can consecrated life and it's care `ISMs we're talking about nuns religious uh all the way across to the Caucasian steps they founded seven cities in built five or so temples artists in areas known as the so he's laying the groundwork for women to be ordained priest and he's saying the under no certain terms that he expects the Senate to make women deacons over to a ordain women and create layers opinion is not a dogma no many many many the focus the spotlight of the German churches demands on the Senate now just going through the working document of the contribute to the building up of church with an Amazonian face another question is a quote from the doctor G. U. Crater has been a key senate prepare in two thousand fourteen met with Pope Francis they decided on the idea in other words this is the German at the tip of the spear of the revolution. He's the BLICKPUNKT I said are down amongst women and blessed is the Fruit Thi- womb Jesus Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us senators now and at the hour of our death on the ministries that today are required to respond to the objectives of a church with an Amazonian face and a church with a native inch roll roll which women play today in the Amazonian Church. That's a quote I'm GonNa read it again a face again the document tells us that these indigenous peoples have much to teach US Western mind get that the type of official ministry that can be conferred on women taking into account the central wall ordained in any flat out states that descended must approve the ordination of women to deactivate ace what is the church with an Amazonian face you might think I'm a little crazy ended several questions at the end the last question in their asks and I'm quoting what contributions could the communications talking about the ancient Amazon's in the Amazonian face at the church but let's go forward here again the church must have an Amazonian face and Bishop Chrysler wants us once the quote the Amazon Senate and Chrysler has been preparing since as a matter of fact he's so important to this the number of sources say he's the guy don't quote along these lines it is necessary to identify the type of official ministry that can be conferred on women it turns out gets its name from the ancient Amazon's the warrior women tribes of Greek history and because the Spanish had run into warrior women tribes in the Amazon Basin who said from these battles they must be like the Amazons of Greek history as that ring a bell the Amazon eighty four apostolic letter or not co soccer dollas church is unable in lacks authority whatsoever seeks etymologically the word Amazon in Greek means without abreast some say that German Bishop Irwin Chrysler. He's the retired Bishop of Brazil I don't know if I'm saying that right it's X. I. N. in had taken away their capacity to nurture and that's supported by other Greek for long these lines it's necessary to identify the type of official ministry that can be conferred on women taking into account the central role which any particularly in the Philippines India that's not entirely fair as just say just Western minds but I think many people in Philippines in India receive when the Spanish explorers entered the Amazon basin encountered numerous fierce and pitched battles with women warrior tribes called the Amazon itself backed it was a day Oreo honest observation that gave the Amazon its name Javelins and generally making war that was their purpose metaphorically if we think about the Greek it means that these women backed by a German agency called Od Vania of course come Lord Jesus Advani a Western education and I think when we get through this you'll you'll you'll you'll agree they're talking about all of us they're targeting interfere with wielding a weapon thus the Amazonia Women Being Without this right breast could be more deft at handling bows throwing pastoral agents to be women did you notice that in the in in the document that raises that described the Amazons they would call a man slayers killers of men destroyers of men use of the word of the phrase Amazonian face let's look a little bit at that and what is the indigenous Amazonian face those who loathe all men they hated all men and again that's ironed away with other descriptors of Amazonian that worrying women that's fair the real kicker to me is that the Greeks described them as wearing trousers and pantsuits Americans for the most part but the quotas in document that we're we're told to indigenous peoples have much to teach US Western minds and that we should learn from them trousers that's an Amazonia pretty crazy gets even stranger most of Europe had long forgotten it makes you wonder though I'm going to say it again and now with a little bit of history now with the rest of the story Amazonian face on the church the good news is this Trojan war has been fought in the past like just throwing it aside question it's not it's not a dogma we could do it everyone he then raises a bunch of questions in interviews who can be there's
BA14 Fixing Our Eyes on the Crucified Christ Begin Again: The Spiritual Legacy of Ven. Bruno Lanteri with Fr. Timothy Gallagher
"DISCERNING HEARTS DOT COM in cooperation with the oblates of the Virgin Mary Presents. Begin again the spiritual legacy of venerable burner and Terry With Father Timothy Gallagher. Father Gallagher was ordained in nineteen, seventy, nine as a member of the oblates of the Virgin Mary. He obtained his doctorate from the University needs dedicated many years to an extensive ministry of Retreats Spiritual, Direction and teachings about the spiritual life by the Gallagher is the author of several books published by the Crossroads Publishing Company on the spiritual teachings of Saint, Ignatius Voyeur and the life of Venerable Bruna and Terry. Father Gallagher is featured on E. W. T. and series living with discerning line, the spiritual teachings of Saint Ignatius of loyal. Begin again. Spiritual Legacy of, venerable. Terry with Father Timothy Gallagher on your host Chris. Welcome father. Gallagher thanks Chris in our exploration of the the rich teachings of Venerable Brunell and Harry. We come across a subject that. Is somewhat difficult, isn't it? But it really needs to be addressed if we are going to a venture in the spiritual life, and that is the subject of suffering. Sure, no treatment of spiritual life would be real. You're have its feet on the ground without dealing with that topic. and. We've mentioned a number of times. How suffering was such a real part of the personal life of the venerable anterior beginning with with his health, and all the difficulties to church went through and his own personal price. To be paid for being faithful to the Holy Father and so under the persecutions. But he also has a very realistic spiritual teaching for those whom he directed in guided in the spiritual life. I'm looking right now. At a It's just a paragraph. In which he? Speaks to a married woman. So this is the location and and marriage said he has in mind, but the teaching applies across vocations. In which he outlines for her away to. Understand the suffering that will inevitably a be a part of hers as every life. And then how to try to respond to this the level of faith? the first thing that he tells her. Is that she needs to expect? That such things are going to be part of her life. And he lists them. Being Zaidi's for various things struggles with various temptations. Aridity time is when. Even. When were faithful to prayer? The prayer feels distant and dry difficult. Heaviness of hard for various things that she or anyone of us may need to carry in life tribulations of various kinds injuries, and these could be both emotional and physical sufferings of the body to are obviously very real. In the sufferings of life. Just unpleasant situations that t has to live through. Times when she is offended by other people, or receives ingratitude, and as he tells her, he says I will expect all of these things, even from those I love. And those I have helped. takes us right back to Jesus in the Gospel. So that's the first thing that he asks her to reflect upon that. This this will not be the only element in life. But that the the thread her sometimes threads of suffering, in our lives are to be expected now if that's the case. What does a person of faith do with this part of life? I would say as I look at what he says to this woman that he's really asking her to. To live on a pretty high level of sanctity I? Don't think this is something that. One immediately or quickly achieved probably most of us need years of life and experience to grow in these realities, but what he's doing here is simply laying out a program. And, he's expecting that she's going to be praying with and reflecting on this and working with this to grow spiritually over the years. So he tells her on the level of faith to never think of these situations. As evil. simply Meaningless chance. In our life, and and not simply to look at them, either as they originate from the human persons who caused them in our lives. But to look at them rather from the perspective of God. which begins to change things. And to know that nothing in our lives can ever take place against God's will. You know he who took even the original sin of of humanity, and turned that into as we say into liturgy, happy fault. which merited the the redeemer? Can Work through any situation of evil are suffering, which may be follow us in life. And always for his purpose, which is a purpose of providence and a purpose of love finally. he invites this woman to to help her. See this more deeply. That the suffering in our lives needs to be seen from from God's perspective, and that's where it finds its meaning. And when we find meaning and things, we can care the carry them so much more. Fruitfully so much more easily. in life. He asks her to consider that. This is the way that Jesus himself chose on Earth. It was the way of suffering. It was the way of the Cross. He was not successful in human terms. He was abandoned. He was unjustly condemned. He was subjected to even terrible physical pain. This was the way that Jesus himself chose as the path toward redemption. It's also he. He asks her venerable and Terry asks to consider the way in which he's led the saints who are closest to him. And I think we can. We can consider any of the saints we know you know. Many of US still have the images for example of. Now Saint John Paul the second in the latter years of his life, the obvious physical suffering and suffering on so many levels. That, he carried in order to be faithful to the end, but we can look at this in any of the Saint Saint Theresa. The child Jesus, and so on. And this is also the way. He points out that Jesus asked his his mother. The blessed mother herself to walk in her life, Our Lady of sorrows, and we can see her standing at the foot of the cross and all that she went through. Sharing uses passion. And the reason why? Cheeses ast. These saints asked even his very mother to walk this way of suffering. In Life. was to glorify her. He says correspondingly in heaven. For will end Terry. Suffering is always viewed into perspective of eternal, life. It's always viewed in terms of. A trial that got us to carry, but is not meaningless. All of it is storing up future of glory and blessedness for eternity with God who will have its recompense. Now if this is the case if this is why? Does. These elements of sufferings in our life. Then the practical conclusion. Follow, set. To consider even the elements of suffering in our lives. This is a strong word. Now has favors. And as opportunities, this is a word he will use often that suffering is an opportunity to God provides. Because of the many spiritual benefits which flow into our lives, and through us for others. If we are willing to to bear the suffering. that. He has asked us to carry. Now here to venerable interiors very specific. To help her to help any of us to carry the sufferings of the crosses that God has given us in our life to carry them more fruitfully. We can be aware of the reasons of the fruits that come through this suffering. I think we all know Chris that in times of. Physical suffering in times of. Trials in the family relationships in the family financial trials and the many different burdens that can weigh heavily on our bodies and our souls at times. We know that we need to ask God's help. That's when we make a kind of prayer that that arises out of our helplessness to God Jesus remember. Me Have Mercy He. A kind of prayer, which brings us closer to God and brings him close to us. It's biblically the poverty of spirit that Jesus tells us in the first the attitude. That opens our hearts to enter into his kingdom. We know at such times that we need God's help. And we all the mortar prayer at such times. Through such times to come to see clearly our own weakness and our need for God. In a way that does not. Depress or diminish, but in a way that opens his opens us up to the grace. That can make these times truly fruitful in our lives. So He says to this woman and I would say to all of us. Are Effort then is to try to accept. Such crosses when God brings them into our lives. With a very sure confidence. That, this has meaning that this is the road that God has laid out for me in my life, and as he tells her that all of this is ordered for good. So that are part is to seek to benefit from these situations. So that's an overview of the element of suffering. As, venerable N. teary describes this to. Anyone who is seeking to grow in the spiritual life and also outlines away to try to respond to this in our lives. Return to begin again with Father Timothy Gallagher in just a moment. 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The more good ratings and reviews we get the higher profile in the more listeners will discover US listeners who may have the means to contribute in the future. Please consider rating us in writing a positive review today. A prayer for the intercession of venerable. Brunell Land Terry. Father. Fountain of all Life And Holiness You gave Father Brunel and Terry Great Faith in, Christ your son. A lively hope and an act of love for the salvation of his brethren. You made him a prophet of your word and a witness to your mercy. He had a tender love for Mary. And, by his very life, he taught fidelity to the church. Father here, the prayer of your family and through the Intercession Fatherland Terry granted the grace between now ask. Me He glorified on earth that. We may give you greater praise. We ask this through your son. Jesus Christ our Lord. Comment. We now return to begin again with Father Timothy Gallagher. Part of our response then wouldn't at Father Gallagher be one that helps us. Is To, grow in virtue. Virtue is really essential element, isn't it? Will. It's through such times of suffering. That we exercise many virtues in a special way. I have in mind here now. Another text of vulnerable and Terry in which he's describing why we pray with the passion of Jesus Christ. You know I was struck when Pope Francis on Good Friday. In that lovely reflection that he offered. Repeated several times the invitation to actually take up hold in our hands the crucifix. And a contemplated. And then with great reverence to kiss, the wounds of the Lord Jesus in his invitation was to do this often. It's a powerful gesture. What he's what he's doing there. In the way that's typical of his categorical style is he's offering very. Doable very concrete way. Of Meditating on the passion of Jesus of looking toward the crucified Jesus. And this is the invitation to those who would live the spiritual life that if we can look to Christ. Times of suffering are a time to look to Jesus. And to look to Jesus in a special way. On the Cross he? You know how in the Old Testament when the people were bitten by serpents God told Moses to raise up the bronze serpent on a pole, and all who looked on we're healed, and that's been seen always as a forerunner or type. Of the lifting up Jesus on the Cross for the healing and the salvation of humanity, that's the invitation at such times at times of suffering be times centered on Jesus. Time which we looked to him in his own. Passion Cross leading to through death to resurrection to glory. And to spiritual growth in an infinitely rich way, not to get back to the virtues that you mentioned Chris. Here are the virtues that venerable and Terry. Enunciates or lists as virtues in which we can grow through such times of suffering in imitation of Jesus. Who did lived all of this himself that? These, times in which we are called to grow in fortitude, that fundamental virtue of Cardinal Virtue as it's called. Of the Christian life, which allows us by God's grace, and through repeated human effort, mingling with at grace, doing our part. And above all being open to receive God's grace. Allows a person to grow to the point in which. Suffering shakes this person less and less Chris. We've all seen and people. Generally, it's people in the latter decades of life and people who have been through a good deal. WHO. Give witness to that virtue of fortitude, their pillars the strength they may still be undergoing physical suffering or being difficult situations, but there's a deep rooted strength and peace. In the Lord Jesus a kind of serenity that is a great blessing for those who live with such persons. That's that's the first virtue in which God is giving us as Len Terry, says an opportunity to grow in the time of suffering. Now I know as I say that that many times in our sufferings. We feel anything but. PEOPLE AFFORD TO. Feel helpless. We feel discouraged. our energy even for prayer. And for the the many services that were called to render in life Wayne's. Be Confused, isolated burdened afraid of the future. All of these things are part of the journey of suffering. The, gentle repeated invitation is to look to Jesus on his cross. And they're to find strength. Humility is another virtue in which we grow in times of suffering. When we have to face are physical limitations. Or when we have to face. Difficult situations in our own helplessness to change them. We become humble or there there is a there is a rich opportunity to grow. In the humility which. Makes, our souls beautiful before God, and and Attracts His grace that lovely verse in the First Letter of Peter we read that. The proud he knows from afar, but God grants grace to the Humble And suffering can open our hearts to receive that grace. Detachment. Times of suffering are times in which we know that we are pilgrims that we have not as a letter to the Hebrews says we have not here lasting city. But that we are pilgrims on the way to our true home. Times the suffering are times when that becomes real. When had becomes important when that sustains us when we grow in that spiritual. Poverty. And then finally patience he mentions. The Virtue which allows us to go on day by day in the midst of these situations. By God's grace, obviously as we go forward, so. There is a kind of growth in virtue that it comes through. The. Joy that God also gives in our lives, the closeness, the love, the sharing the blessed relationships within family or the projects that work out well. Into, which we dedicate our energies in our lives, there is a wonderful kind of growth in virtue that comes through this channel. But, there is another kind of growth also that complements it. and which will be there in every life in this venerable anterior, says his wife got allows this suffering in every life in various ways or at various times. Because of the certain kinds of growth that normally speaking in God's Providence, come through the carrying of the cross, and this opens up rich possibilities in the spiritual life. Father Gallagher. He. Is Very understanding that suffering can produce every kind of pain. He says both in body and in spirit. And that in spirit that can be. Extraordinarily crippling I mean I think we have all maybe in our own lives, or at least know of those who had physical suffering. There's something in the act of our will that we can. Endure that in a way that when we suffer in the spirit, it's much more difficult. And I think. Would you say that those spiritual disciplines that he has outlined for his these and for us? That's when they become really crucial to to adhere to. Well we're made of both body and soul. And we can experience health and strength and energy on both levels. and. We can obviously also experienced suffering on both levels. And the suffering can be real I would on both levels I think it's true Chris. Because the spiritual level is the deepest part of us. That is most likely where the deepest suffering can come. But deep suffering can obviously come on either level I am. Thinking of those must eighteen months in the life of Saint Tarez. In which you do, have a a spiritual suffering darkness. That was very very hard for her. But especially, in the latter months as she gradually succumbed to to break yellow sus, which took her life. The physical suffering so intense that she told those who were with her that she could understand why people would take their lives. Now. This is a woman of deep faith. But that's just a marker of Hun about how intense the physical suffering was, and she also said that. She had never never realized at one could suffer physically so intensely. As, she found herself suffering at that time. So that's the first thing I'd say. That any of us who are experiencing any kind of physical suffering. Need to know the great reverence in which God holds had suffering. Need to know that. The Jesus who wept shed tears at the death of Lazarus? Understands human suffering obviously him above all because he has, he has been there. Himself in the most profound way imaginable. Having said that. Yes the the spiritual side. Of Life where we can feel alone. Or discouraged. Or even not as close to God, as we once felt and without understanding why. And the darkness. or the the long burden of emotional situations in which were called to live. All of this can be can be very very hard, and it's in those times that we need really to to reach out for the wide array of spiritual remedies that are available to us in the church. The, certainly the eucharist above all. We're the Lord Jesus is present. Mass Holy Communion. EUCHARISTIC adoration. If that's possible, it's remarkable how that takes us out of isolation and moves us into communion. I. Remember Woman telling me once about this. We Are Our church here in Boston a EUCHARISTIC shrine. And we have perpetual adoration. Woman, who was at the at that point, not even a Catholic. Just found that by walking into the church she and gazing toward the the blessed sacrament. She experienced a kind of peace that she found nowhere else know how eventually that led her into the Catholic Church and to a whole new understanding of why. She felt such peace why she could feel so loved before the bus in Sacramen- to read some twenty three or John Ten i. Am the Good Shepherd to let the words of the Lord strengthen? Sharing with others in this bureau to life activities in the parish or groups or just a spiritual friend. Prayer to Mary and and so on spiritual, reading the many remedies that we have. All of these can help us. What father'll interior is pointing out here to this woman I'd say again to anyone who whom he guided spiritually. Was To be very sure. That the suffering that I am experiencing. Focus for the moment on the spiritual suffering the darkness that we can experience in the burden. Is Not meaningless is not outside of God's. Providential guidance of my life is not an unfortunate occurrence which is simply pain and leads nowhere. That this is across that is this has meaning on the level of faith had God's Providence is working in this and that God. Has a growth in a richness integrase that he wants to offer to me through this. So that if I am willing to carry this I can do this with hope and with confidence. That cross like Jesus, Good Friday. Will Lead to? An Easter Sunday. Will lead to growth a newness in life or resurrection in my own relationship with God and threw me for others in the world. As we come to the conclusion of this particular episode at. What other aspects of this should we recall from the teachings of Venerable Brunell and Terry? Will I mentioned earlier that he always sees suffering in the light of eternity. And that's makes such a difference. His He often quoted in the times of his own physical suffering or a spiritual suffering. The phrase of his spiritual mentor of the D. Spock. Who himself underwent. Some some real physical suffering with A. A leg, which gave him a great deal of trouble and other physical problems. That his spiritual mentor would always repeat this phrase. Paradise pays for all. That in eternity. Whatever we go through here if we can carry the Cross with Christ. It will find its reward. There was a time in. This was just a few years before his death. When he was helping. The fathers give a retreat to a group of lay people who had come into the OBLATE. Retreat House for this. In one of these was a man with whom he was meeting once a day. In order to. Allow this man to talk about how things were going spiritually for him. And to plan for the future. In this man Michaela eventually wrote a letter to his wife, describing what had happened, he had come. To the room where venerable and Terry was assisted by one of the other priests. and. Found him worse than usual. Up so much so that he could scarcely breathe. Even tears falling from his is in any. He told me Kelly. The lamp is going out. But what struck Michaela about? This was deep piece that he found in the whole person, venerable and Terry. And you one sentence that he wrote to his wife, he looks to heaven during his attacks. And Pronounces the word paradise with so much faith. That is stirs everything within me. Paradise Pace for all whatever suffering. We go through. Will find its reward. Will lead to. A deep and growing joy in the Lord for all eternity, and that's our hope. HOW BEAUTIFUL! Thank you so much Father Gallagher. Thank you, Chris. You've been listening to begin again. The spiritual legacy of Venerable Brunel Land Terry with. Father Timothy Gallagher. To here and our to download this conversation along with hundreds of others, spiritual formation programs visit discerning hearts dot com. This has been a production of discerning hearts in cooperation with the. Of the Virgin Mary. I'm your host Chris McGregor. You pray that if this has been held for for you that you will I pray for our mission, and if you feel worthy, consider a charitable donation, which is fully tax deductible to help support our efforts. But most of all we ask that you tell the friend about discerning hearts, DOT com, and join us next time for begin again the spiritual legacy of Venerable Brunel and Terry this Father Timothy Gallagher.
BKL304 Living a Life with True Happiness and Joy Building a Kingdom of Love w/ Msgr. John Esseff
"Discerning Hearts Dot Com presents building a kingdom of love with Monsignor Jonathan. Senior Esab is a priest of the diocese of Scranton Pennsylvania has served as a retreat director and confessor to Saint Mother Theresa. He continues to offer direction retreats for the Sisters of the Missionaries of Charity Senior. US encountered Saint Padre Pio who became a spiritual father to him is lived in areas around the world serving the typical missions. The Catholic organization established by Saint John Paul the second to bring the good news to the world, especially the poor. He continues to serve as a retreat leader and director to bishops, priests, sisters and seminarians and other religious leaders. Building a kingdom UCLA reflections with Monsignor John I'm your host Chris McGregor. Would love to talk about joy and happiness. Thing Monsignor. Yeah really the word blessed means happy joyful. It's a it's a fruit of the Holy Spirit when we fulfill. The will of God there will be happiness, and there will be peace. Probably the one of the most beautiful expressions of joy are the beatitudes when Jesus said blessed, are you blessed are the poor in spirit it goes very much against the spirit of the world in Orlando, with our very good seems you know blessed are those who mourn for they shall be consoled. Blessed are those who are meek. Were think. One or a blessed are those were dominating others. No, it's the meek for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be satisfied. Blessed Are they who are merciful for mercy, Shelby. There's as they go on, and they increase in what the world would think of as being joyful. When you actually go to the final one blessed, are you? Who are. Persecuted for the sake of justice. For theirs is the Kingdom of God. Blessed or a you. When they insult you? And persecute you an utter every kind of evil against to rejoice and be glad for your reward is Great in Heaven Debt? That is really contradictory to the way we see blessedness. One Time Little Francis was walking with his little band of Poor monks and they were discussing joy, and they said Prince. What is perfect joy, and then said Oh, well, if we were to preach, and all of a CICI would be converted, is that perfect joy? Francis said no I. Don't think so, and well. Another one company said if we were to preach, and all of Italy would be converted to Jesus. That would be perfect. Joy I, said no I. Don't think so. What would be perfect joy, Father Francis. He said never out. It was raining. They were. Were Hungry and he said if we were to up to that palace here, and we were to knock on the door and beg for food, and they were to throw us in the mud and kick us out, and we were to be laying there in the mud. We could really and truly be perfectly joyful in our hearts blessed are they who are insulted and acted and cast out, and so his perfect Jewett when you could be happy in those kind of circumstances and really joyful, not not kidding. When when you can be rejected and Francis saw that kind of of life in his in his life that was that Jesus was the interior and deepest source of his of his show. I must say. I'm not there at all, but when I could have that kind of happiness when I'm rejected and I I feel happy about it because I can suffer for the sake of the kingdom. That the deeper and deeper that joy comes then I know the deepest source of the joy is God who is within US blessed. Are you happy? Are you and I have found people who have come to that kind of joy? It's very interesting how we have been given standards of what brings US happiness and. Riches pleasure. Fain honor and they can so easily be taken away. But the other things that we could be stripped off when we are meek in poor. And morning when we have in the in the midst of that and interior life that will bring us. Happiness enjoy it. Oh, we could talk very easily, and it is kind of easy to talk about Jesus lives within me he Christ is in me and he Christ is in you. Every one of us was baptized, but his life which is within us. Is the same as the pattern which we talked about? He lives the Paschal mystery. Each and every day. In this world that Christ in me and you? Wants to desires to live the will of his father, which is. The way we were designed to live this be had a tude which are expressed blessed. Are you blessed? Are you when you can live in Christ in this way you are indeed blessed, and so when my happiness comes through him, and from him, and in him, that is actually are calling. I am called to be Christ in the world today and when I. Allow him and permit him. Who is in me? To live this life. Then I live no longer as Paul, said, but Christ lives in me one of the deepest ways. By which and I find this tested in me is. Is Forgiveness and is. To love. In the midst of those who won an everyday level, tend to hurt me. One of our brothers died. I, was I submit another brother, a priest and I said well I said I'm really sorry. You know I was praying for this. Priest brother of mine who died and I had a mass from. Oh, him, he said. Yeah, he was so overweight. And, actually he shouldn't be dead at all. He's just fat. All he did. His whole lifetime was eat. And eat talk on the phone and just have a life that was so easy for him. Never did a sacrificial thing in his life. Now the point is not the one who died. But the man I was talking to and I was looking at him. In in his. Angry and anger, and he actually also had something very bitter against this particular priest and. When we live in a state of unforgiveness when we live in a state that attitude that we have. Of Judgment of anger of unforgiveness towards someone. As saw this man. So angry. And so rejecting of his brother I thought how unhappy and I I. Really I could just feel the oozing hanger coming from him so I. I just listened and. Was Thinking about this very subject of of happiness. The person that I'm describing is probably one of the most unhappy people. Haven't you met people like that? I Have Monsignor and I. I'm so sad to say that I've been one of those questions. Where there is a wound or an anger that almost becomes a part of our identity. I'm just I'm always going to be angry at this person, but it's not really the person as that that you're angry with it. There's something else so there's something else going on there, but yet so much easier to put it all on that person what I get from this. You know I I to have been there all the every day. In somewhat of a way. How am I there? where I heard this. When I cease to be in union, which is that Attitude the attitude that I have within me of being Christ twenty four hours a day seven days a week. I separate from maybe for an hour. Maybe maybe a thought comes about someone so that I may judge them and for that hour. I clicked back inside myself, and that leaves me twenty three hours of happiness, but in our misery. But when I live it. You know in in another way. Maybe what happens is I have fifteen hours. Of Sadness and maybe just a few hours of joy she I, think it's the the attitude that permits me to live in a state of joy or happiness. Or in a state. Of Anger. self-centeredness! Hand. Complete misery turmoil within myself see what happens is why does Jesus give us the law of love? As being the most perfect law because that's how he lived, and that's how he lives in wants to live in us, and that's how I have a potential to live I can actually live. In that. Christ attitude that's can be my attitude to be attitude when I live this way, so I can be joyful and happy. Pretty much my whole day, and when I'm of bat state. I'm. I'm pretty miserable because I'm. I'm coming back to myself and then I start feeding myself instead of. A wanting to feed others is that why the the saints are always recommending to anyone who falls into that kind of state to start serving others. Yes, to get yourself out so. We can do it in different ways. We can do it by prayer. We can get. We can make the correction by prayer or inactive kindness. But either way to get to get out of that foul moved. In one of the cheap ways that I find. Myself and others fully into it is not to forgive others. Do you notice in the our father? With regard to the prayer, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against US interior -ly. What Knox us out of. That Union with Christ is unforgiveness. It's a very deep characteristic that I have. To not forgive to not have that attitude, the attitude that Jesus head toward his father, infinite love and toward others. Infinite love and forgiveness now my happiness when I when I meet a brother like I met this morning. Who is so judgmental so angry so unforgiving? The problem there is he is unhappy even in death. He can't forgive his brother now. Can he do that? Sure he can. You may be angry. With someone like Your Dad. Who Hurt you? And beat you when you were. A child may still carry. In you. A wound. From father who neglected you rejected you or abandoned you when you were a child? People who have this unforgiveness? And so many of us I met so many people who have father wounds, their whole lives are draped with the misery and unhappiness, a carrying wound against their father and home it is that forgiveness. And love which Jesus has in that in that prayer, forgive us as we forgive could be that the source of Mayan happiness is that I haven't forgiven. My mother for what she did to me or how she's hurt me. And that deepened my heart. I carry with me. An unhappy psychologist, the they may help me understand it. But only Jesus can help me change it and he'll let mother wound that I carry. Maybe one of the miseries that I may be walking around with his the misery of an ex spouse, I had so wanted to find happiness when I walked down at I'll with this person and committed myself to him, and so often we find. In this life, the betrayal by an adulterous husband in his, it's there. It occurs, but. I have a power. Forgive me. As I. Forgive does that wound have to continue to bleed and lead am I doomed to be unhappy for the right? Not at all blessed are they who forgive. Blessed are you and you will be happy? And you will find a happiness in your heart, you are not doomed to be a person of short temper, anger and judgment about your neighbor cussed would ha, which goes against that one person can wash over on everyone else and I build a wall around my heart so that I don't trust anyone because of having been hurt by a difficult marriage, so many of us walk around. Very unhappy where Christians. And we're followers of Jesus, and we've received the divine life. And he is in me. And he who is in me, his greater than any power in the world and I in Him and through him and with him. Can Forgive, but there is i. Some of us who carry and walk around with the bitterness and anger toward myself. Over and over again I I find in my own heart as a center in the hearts of others that I may have done something in my life that I never forgave myself four I always remember the story of. In my life, and she gave me permission to share of a woman who had an abortion and. She came and she called me the day. That the child was supposed to be a year-old, she had aborted the child. In its fifth month, but on that date that was the due date of birth. and. It was a baby boy. Weeping and sobbing and so miserable at what had happened, he would have been a year-old today and I remember the. Pain and the suffering and God in his love forgave her, and through the Sacramento. Reconciliation shown. To the feet of the Lord who understood the pain. And went through with her, and even though she killed her baby. God's divine mercy is infinite. A Sin that I commit is finite and his infinite love forgave her. But the very next year on the very day. She called again and the tears. Continued, what would he have looked like? He would be two years old, and something reminded her of this with regard to being too and some child that she saw who is two years old. And what would he have looked like? Again. The weeping and the weeping is see the year before. Was! The sin that I committed abortion. But the second year was. The sin that I commit because I didn't forgive myself. Yes God. You have infinite love. But I'm better than you are is what you're saying. You forgive me. But I hold myself to a higher standard, which is pride. That's what it is. It's not a virtue when I don't forgive myself. Lord I. Forgive Myself For my sins, faults and failings for all. That is bad in myself. Look at myself. That I think is bad in me. How many who just reject themselves? Maybe you belong to overeaters anonymous, or maybe you belong to alcoholics anonymous. I reject myself. I think of myself as bad. Pray I forgive myself. For My. Delving into superstition. Using we she boards going to say onces. Maybe things in the past of going to Fortune tellers wearing lucky charms, all the things that you did that were superstitious in the past. which you now are aware of is a sin against the first commandment, and I choose you. You are my Lord. You are my savior. Fill me with the holy. Spirit I. Forgive Myself For all my sins. Done in the past and so. Many of us carry terrible wounds. Where we flipped them on ourselves. And our source of unhappiness is. My rejection of myself. Sometimes in glimpses of the Holy Spirit. I, see I. See Myself For what I am. And the tendency there is to reject myself, which is not God. That is not humility. To reject oneself is not humble. But to seem, is it? Kid can be remorse. But I'm the source of the unhappiness in the sadness. Because of how bad I am. Is He if you continue to really see who you are. And if I continued to choose to look at who I am, I'm really not bad I'm worse than I think I am. And yet not to God what is the Truth About me? and My true I. I am Christ in the world. Do you want to see to the depth knee? True humility is to see. That God has chosen me. To be his daughter. And sees in me the same beauty. That he sees. In Jesus. That's true humility. True humility to know who I really am. And that's joy. Recognizing the infinite love. Is Beyond what we could comprehend about ourselves. I am. Beautiful to God. And that's true. The particularity that is Chris McGregor that person. There was never anyone just like you. From Adam and Eve, and till now, nor will there be for the rest for the rest of life in this world, so that particular person. that. He breathe into you. Know that fertilized egg. which was contributed by your biological father and mother cooperating with God? And when he blew into you, Zach particular soul. That person. Never was before. So it isn't your just to your fingerprint. That's unique but you. As you are. And and what a magnificent! Gift. You are to the whole world to truly see myself not only as God's creature. But as gods daughter. Thought of before the world began before the foundations were because his whole world wouldn't be complete without you from the beginning of time until the end. What is my joy to become that person he s? He designed me so the work that John S of has is simply to become John SF and so you were as you listen to this, who are you? Asking God to help you begin to see because it's only through the power of the Holy Spirit where you can begin to look into. The depths of your being. Look into your heart and your mind. In your thoughts. There's no one just like you. and to embrace that. Here, the only person that you can be. And so many put was put up facades masks that others see, but it isn't who we really are interior really. To Take off the mask. To pull down the facade. And to reveal to God and others your beauty. Is Joy! And it it it radiates through you each and every day. Happiness and joy is what you're made for, and the more I began to allow myself to be who I really am in front of others, and to take the risk of just being myself. To reveal that inner self that that being who I am. In in an unashamed way to love myself. And all of us have those particular who wounds just Jesus. and. They can become glorious. Did you notice about Jesus as he appears in the resurrection? He he never allowed to wounds to heal over. There their glorious and all of the mystics who have seen the risen Lord. His wounds are radiant. He wears them like jewels. He could have had the wounds healed over. But forever the risen Lord will have five glorious wounds and my wounds also. are going to become glorious. When I allow him to heal the wounded nece that I have his precious blood to flow over me to cleanse me to purify me to free me here. I am Lord. With Jesus. Suffering and dying and now. Glorious coming forth from the Tomb. Of My own sinfulness, my own broken it's. My own death. He is risen not only in that body that he received from Mary but in me. And in you. And this world of ours. Wants to begin to experience the risen Lord. The REEB Angela's -ation that we are calling for an that is coming is because what's popping out all over this world. Holy Ones The saints are coming for. Not only the saints that have been canonized in the past. But the beautiful people that we will meet. Along the way. Glorious ones which we can be to each other. And any other one. You know that's GonNa Radiate Christ has suffered. Has Died. Has Risen. When we say he is risen, he is truly risen. He has risen in his body, the Church today and glorifying and radiant in new life. Hopefully, to John S of to. And through crispy Grayer Alleluia Amen. Thank you so much monsignor at a great way to start the day Q.. You've been listening to building. The Kingdom of love replaces with Monsignor Genus. To here and our to download this program or to browse hundreds of other spiritual formation programs. visit, discerning hearts DOT COM. This has been a production of discerning hearts are host. Chris McGregor. We hope that if this has been helpful for you that you will I pray for our mission, and if you feel as worthy, consider a charitable donation, which is fully tax deductible to support our efforts. The most of all you pray that you will tell a friend about discerning arts DOT COM.